| 00:00.00 | justletters | :) |
| 00:00.01 | bltzfsck | un mounted it, re mounted it, and i could still see 'em |
| 00:00.03 | BrenIII | PowerEdge Server |
| 00:00.06 | streuner | BrenIII: laptop? |
| 00:00.07 | bltzfsck | in the to p level directory |
| 00:00.16 | Irrumator | bltzfsck: Well of course, but the ipod firmware won't see them |
| 00:00.30 | BrenIII | Brendan ;) |
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| 00:00.50 | bltzfsck | gtkpod doesn't see the photo dirs. is ther e a utility that does? |
| 00:00.52 | streuner | BrenIII: did you verify the CD? |
| 00:00.56 | BrenIII | yep |
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| 00:01.07 | streuner | BrenIII: what did you use? |
| 00:01.08 | Irrumator | bltzfsck: Like I said, gpixpod, but it's not in debian yet |
| 00:01.24 | streuner | BrenIII: d-i sarge? |
| 00:01.27 | BrenIII | I used the installer to verify and it said it was good |
| 00:01.35 | bltzfsck | Irrumator: well i could build the source, couldn't i? |
| 00:01.46 | SimonRaven | UTSL |
| 00:01.48 | streuner | BrenIII: please use my nick |
| 00:01.51 | bltzfsck | did it with lame |
| 00:01.53 | BrenIII | I installed woody and it put the 2.4 with sarge then tried to install 2.6 and reboot and no go |
| 00:02.00 | bltzfsck | and it works |
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| 00:02.11 | BrenIII | then I tried to install sarge and it doesn't install with the 2.6 at all |
| 00:02.12 | azeem | wajig|sarge: please turn off noisy away |
| 00:02.21 | Irrumator | bltzfsck: Probably, but last time I tried it didn't work properly. Wasn't finding some python dependencies and such |
| 00:02.25 | Irrumator | Give it a try though |
| 00:02.44 | BrenIII | installs...but on reboot it gets pivot_root error and panic |
| 00:02.58 | bltzfsck | Irrumator: what i dont understand is why i can't see parts of the file system that are definitely there when i mount it and just cd to /mnt/ipod |
| 00:03.01 | justletters | hey is there any info about the motherboard in somewhere in /proc ? |
| 00:03.03 | streuner | BrenIII: did you verify the iso itself too? |
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| 00:03.16 | Irrumator | bltzfsck: Because the ipod firmware doesn't work that way |
| 00:03.18 | azeem | justletters: lspci shows the chipset |
| 00:03.40 | BrenIII | nope....but I dill also try to download and compile the kernel and it still pivot_root error and panic |
| 00:03.57 | justletters | i see now! linux is cool |
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| 00:04.00 | BrenIII | dill = did....somehow |
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| 00:04.08 | bltzfsck | the kid said that when he loaded it from a windows machine, it reformatted the drive to fat |
| 00:04.24 | Miesco | How do I get ifup to stop outputting to stdout |
| 00:04.31 | bltzfsck | did it only reformat the music partition? |
| 00:04.36 | Irrumator | bltzfsck: That shouldn't affect anything |
| 00:04.43 | Miesco | eth1: Information frame lost. I dont want that interupting me |
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| 00:05.17 | theblue | Hi all, I'm hosting a mini-class on how to use the console (bash), for beginners and intermediate people, if you want to join, its in channel #console-tour. |
| 00:05.29 | bltzfsck | Irrumator: what's the best info source for linux/ipod stuff, then i'll leave you alone |
| 00:06.03 | adoniz | sex |
| 00:06.09 | Irrumator | bltzfsck: Well, there's not much to know really. Gtkpod is the best thing around for syncing music (and videos) |
| 00:06.11 | adoniz | im looking for sex |
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| 00:06.32 | Irrumator | bltzfsck: Sane methods for syncing pictures do not exist currently, however |
| 00:06.53 | bltzfsck | but videos are under a separate directory from music arent they? |
| 00:07.11 | Irrumator | Yes, but it doesn't matter - your only interface to the music should be gtkpod |
| 00:07.13 | bltzfsck | no such dir appears in gtkpod or in the shell |
| 00:07.20 | Irrumator | With ipods you do not manage the files manually |
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| 00:08.01 | Irrumator | understandable |
| 00:08.01 | dna_ | what is a good IDE java ? |
| 00:08.07 | bltzfsck | thanks for hte info amigo |
| 00:08.15 | Irrumator | You're welcome |
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| 00:11.11 | streuner | BrenIII: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers?focusedCommentId=2739 |
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| 00:12.29 | jrix | hi all I'm pretty new to linux (debian). I've used apt-get to get some command line apps (bitchx), but how can I run them in startx (assuming gui) |
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| 00:13.03 | Miesco | How do I get the source from a package from apt? |
| 00:13.04 | zebalin7 | jrix: just bring up a terminal window, like Konsole or xterm, etc. |
| 00:13.07 | Miesco | for* |
| 00:13.25 | jrix | and then type the program name? |
| 00:13.48 | resiak | Miesco: apt-get source |
| 00:13.56 | centrx | dna_ I know some intelligent people who like Eclipse very much |
| 00:14.02 | thingfish | jrix: yes |
| 00:14.04 | oskie | adoniz: well this is probably the wrong place for that |
| 00:14.20 | dn4 | scp -r games.pkg/ dna@24.26.252.96 /home/ |
| 00:14.20 | dn4 | cp: cannot create directory `/home/games.pkg': Operation not applicable |
| 00:14.20 | dn4 | cp: cannot stat `dna@24.26.252.96': No such file or directory |
| 00:14.24 | thingfish | jrix: chances are also that you'll find a gui menu entry for it as well. |
| 00:14.36 | jrix | right, but where? |
| 00:14.47 | thingfish | sorry? |
| 00:15.07 | centrx | Miesco, note that you need to have an active "deb-src" line in your sources.list |
| 00:15.14 | thingfish | jrix: do you have a desktop environment? |
| 00:15.27 | jrix | yes, kde |
| 00:15.58 | thingfish | jrix: ah. well just poke around - look for a K in the lower right corner. |
| 00:16.29 | jrix | yeah I been going through it, I thought maybe there was a standard location |
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| 00:17.05 | Talnakh__ | hi all. could somone help me. when i create reverse proxy with apache and i try to access the resource via apache proxy, i get error access forbidden... |
| 00:17.07 | SimonRaven | dn4: dna@24.26.252.96:/home/ not dna@24.26.252.96 /home/ |
| 00:17.13 | Miesco | centrx: I do, I just did apt-get source <package> |
| 00:17.38 | thingfish | jrix: often the easiest method is just to open a terminal and start the app that way, as someone earlier said. |
| 00:17.38 | centrx | Miesco, ok, that will download the source to the current directory |
| 00:18.07 | Miesco | centrx: Do you know how to get ifup to send to not send its output to my stdout |
| 00:18.33 | jrix | yeah I did that but I get an error, hang on checking it out |
| 00:19.00 | centrx | Miesco, you are running on its own, or you mean when it runs as a part of some startup script? |
| 00:19.13 | Miesco | Im running it on its own |
| 00:19.33 | Miesco | I tried screen ifup -a |
| 00:19.38 | thingfish | jrix: be aware that some apps require you to be root. If this is the case, type 'su' into the terminal and give it root's password, then continue. |
| 00:19.40 | Miesco | But that didn't work |
| 00:19.49 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.00 | bbrazil | Miesco: command 2>/&1 >/dev/null |
| 00:20.12 | Miesco | 2>/&1, what is that? |
| 00:20.16 | SimonRaven | dn4: that user's on that box |
| 00:20.21 | jrix | oh that's what I needed |
| 00:20.31 | abrotman | Miesco: redirection |
| 00:20.32 | quuesstionnerr | A lightweight alternative of 'gdm'. Some suggestions ? |
| 00:20.32 | bbrazil | Miesco: oops, 2>&1 direct stderr to stdout |
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| 00:20.43 | centrx | Miesco, that will send both the stdout and stderr (errors) to the /dev/null device which is a nothingness |
| 00:20.49 | quuesstionnerr | It's for a laptop with 128MB RAM |
| 00:20.52 | jrix | manythanks thinkgfish |
| 00:21.04 | thingfish | jrix: you're welcome. |
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| 00:21.06 | jrix | s/thingfish/ |
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| 00:21.11 | centrx | Miesco, you can do that for any normal console program, and also string together commands, output everything to a file, etc. |
| 00:21.13 | SimonRaven | (or network wide if you're running nis or ldap or synced your /etc/{shadow,passwd.gshadow,group} files |
| 00:21.13 | abrotman | !tell quuesstionnerr about dm |
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| 00:21.17 | SimonRaven | ) |
| 00:21.28 | bbrazil | quuesstionnerr: xdm has done me fine on less ram |
| 00:21.43 | Miesco | It didn't work :/ |
| 00:21.54 | quuesstionnerr | abrotman: That is info man :-) |
| 00:22.03 | abrotman | it sure is info! |
| 00:22.35 | quuesstionnerr | abrotman, bbrazil: I look for a slow laptop with less RAM 128, the reason for the simple question |
| 00:23.05 | quuesstionnerr | abrotman, bbrazil: Ok i listen to dpkg and test these one :-) |
| 00:23.30 | streuner | BrenIII: hm? |
| 00:23.35 | streuner | BrenIII: ping |
| 00:23.45 | Miesco | centrx: It didn't work |
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| 00:25.26 | Miesco | When I run ifup, its not ifup that is sending output (its not a deamon, it doesn't keep running) |
| 00:25.31 | centrx | Miesco, oh wait, it's this: ifup -a > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 00:25.46 | centrx | Miesco, the 2>&1 should be at the end instead of in the middle, but you still need the > in the middle |
| 00:26.13 | Miesco | Stilldoesn't work |
| 00:26.16 | centrx | Miesco, what happens |
| 00:27.27 | Miesco | eth1: new link status: etc |
| 00:27.27 | sandman | I'd like to implement some level of distributed computing. |
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| 00:27.41 | sandman | I was looking at F@H, distributed.net, and electric sheep. If I wanted to take a network of computers, and have them all _kind of_ work as one through distributed computing, how would I do it? (I'm not interested in clustering, just distributed computing) |
| 00:27.43 | centrx | Miesco, try the same command but with instead the command: echo "this is a test" > /dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 00:28.12 | Miesco | centrx: That works |
| 00:28.14 | jrix | Is there a standard location where apt-get save files to? |
| 00:28.33 | bbrazil | /var/cache/apt iirc |
| 00:28.34 | Miesco | centrx: But I dont think ifup is the program sending output |
| 00:28.37 | streuner | jrix: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 00:28.53 | XShocK | ppl. does anybody know how to mount archives? |
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| 00:28.57 | Miesco | The output is in dmesg |
| 00:28.59 | centrx | Miesco, right, that's what i just realized, the kernel (probably the kernel) is outputting information on the eth links to the console |
| 00:29.06 | bbrazil | jrix: if you want to clean them out, apt-get autoclean |
| 00:29.09 | jrix | great! thanks |
| 00:29.20 | XShocK | i mean using something like "mount /archive.gz /mnt/other -o loop" |
| 00:29.28 | beardy | XShocK: Mount how, and what kind of an archive? |
| 00:29.45 | Miesco | centrx: Yes its the kernel, is there anyway to stop it? |
| 00:30.01 | beardy | XShocK: That's not even an archive. Just a compressed file. And archives aren't filesystems. |
| 00:30.02 | bbrazil | centrx: /etc/init.d/klogd stop |
| 00:30.06 | XShocK | beardy: would be good to have gz,bz,zip |
| 00:30.19 | Acid`X | is there anyway to install debian in a box without cdrom? using like a http/ftp or diskette installation? |
| 00:30.37 | bbrazil | centrx: then poke /etc/init.d/klogd and add a '-c 2' to the options, and start it back up |
| 00:30.45 | XShocK | beardy, true, but this is theoretically possible to do. |
| 00:30.50 | streuner | Acid`X: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 00:31.00 | bbrazil | Acid`X: there should be floppies, and http from there |
| 00:31.00 | XShocK | at least is implementation is only readonly. |
| 00:31.12 | beardy | XShocK: If you mean a tar.gz or tar.bz2, mc can "browse" them, possibly other filemanagers/archive programs too. |
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| 00:31.28 | Acid`X | ty |
| 00:31.30 | beardy | XShocK: tar can list the files |
| 00:31.31 | XShocK | beardy, yes. i mean tar.gz |
| 00:31.58 | XShocK | but i want the "tar unaware" programs to browse tar files. |
| 00:32.08 | SimonRaven | tar ztf foo.tar.gz |
| 00:32.24 | SimonRaven | ^^ browse a gzipped tarball |
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| 00:32.44 | Wyzard | XShocK: That sounds like a job for FUSE |
| 00:33.18 | XShocK | Wyzard, yes. you are right. i didn't think about FUSE. |
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| 00:33.29 | liable | zless/zcat?? |
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| 00:33.44 | liable | ah, not a dir.. |
| 00:33.49 | XShocK | i will go and check it out. they might have an implementation. if not then i will probably write mu own. |
| 00:34.09 | Wyzard | XShocK: tar has the disadvantage, though, that just getting a list of contents requires reading the entire thing from start to finish |
| 00:34.19 | Wyzard | XShocK: so the "mount" operation would probably take awhile |
| 00:34.37 | XShocK | i will go and check it out. they might have an implementation. if not then i will probably write my own. |
| 00:34.57 | XShocK | Wyzard, yes. i am aware of that. that is why i actually wanted to use zip. |
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| 00:35.22 | Wyzard | XShocK: or 7zip -- compresses much better, and still has an index |
| 00:35.38 | XShocK | Wyzard, yes. |
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| 00:37.32 | sandman | Is Debian capable of functional distributed computing? |
| 00:38.26 | xiaogil | Can I get connected to myself using ssh, but with mystification of my ip ? |
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| 00:40.01 | centrx | sandman, yes, i don't know how easy it is preconfigured for you though |
| 00:40.35 | XShocK | Wyzard, FUSE+AVFS would the job i think. |
| 00:40.45 | XShocK | http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/avfs.html |
| 00:40.59 | bltzfsck | Irrumator: can't get gpixpod to build cause it can't find dbus.glib |
| 00:42.23 | Wyzard | XShocK: cool |
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| 00:44.56 | namtraC_ | does anybody have experience with resizing |
| 00:45.08 | namtraC_ | a raid 5 volume in evms? |
| 00:45.10 | justletters | how can i see which motherboard i have in linux? |
| 00:45.18 | jetscreamer | this is kinda dumb: Selecting previously deselected package |
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| 00:45.31 | jetscreamer | open the case |
| 00:45.38 | jrix | hahah |
| 00:45.45 | thingfish | justletters: no way, afaik. you must open the case, as jetscreamer said. |
| 00:46.23 | thingfish | justletters: or if it's an OEM computer, look your model up on the company's website. |
| 00:46.41 | centrx | justletters, "lspci" might tell you something about what you have |
| 00:46.43 | namtraC_ | has anybody here managed to resize a raid-5 volume in evms? |
| 00:46.55 | jetscreamer | thingfish: suse can identify it |
| 00:47.02 | jetscreamer | suse's installer can |
| 00:47.06 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 00:47.06 | centrx | justletters, like the chipset, but not the motherboard model |
| 00:47.07 | thingfish | jetscreamer: that's nice. |
| 00:47.10 | justletters | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.15 | justletters | okay |
| 00:47.18 | jetscreamer | yeah but how is that accomplished |
| 00:47.23 | jetscreamer | that's what's nicer |
| 00:48.03 | jetscreamer | so therefore, it IS possible |
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| 00:49.04 | ThanaZzzz | making a deboostrap: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /elive/debootstrap dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.5-8_i386.deb |
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| 00:49.09 | ThanaZzzz | on ETCH, any idea ? |
| 00:49.10 | jetscreamer | justletters: |
| 00:49.16 | overseer | does the Sarge installer support installing onto md-raid1 backed LVM volumes for / ? does it know how to setup grub and make initrds correctly ? |
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| 00:49.28 | jetscreamer | justletters: also when it's booting up, the mb model is 'usualy' shown |
| 00:49.50 | jetscreamer | does sarge use grub? |
| 00:49.55 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 00:49.57 | justletters | ye, so i guess i have to go to bios? |
| 00:49.58 | azeem | jetscreamer: yes |
| 00:50.23 | centrx | justletters, dmesg might tell ou |
| 00:50.32 | poli | jetscreamer: you may choose grub or lilo, most of the times |
| 00:50.33 | abrotman | bah fuck .. stupid bot imploded |
| 00:50.35 | jetscreamer | justletters: no, when you reboot... unless you have one of thos bios splash screens.. sometimes you can hit esc and it will go away |
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| 00:50.50 | BrenIII | streuner: thanks....I'm gonna read that page and try again tomorrow |
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| 00:51.11 | pdani_ | hi |
| 00:51.14 | jetscreamer | justletters: googling the model of the computer can sometimes give results |
| 00:51.17 | streuner | BrenIII: have fun, according to someone it should work |
| 00:51.26 | pdani_ | how can i grep something out from the error output of a command? |
| 00:51.39 | justletters | well.. i know the model and everything. i just wan't to know How to get the model name from a booted linux |
| 00:51.41 | BrenIII | hahah..."someone" |
| 00:51.43 | BrenIII | :) |
| 00:51.49 | pdani_ | 'cause the | works with the stdout, not with the stderr |
| 00:51.53 | justletters | how to google chipset to motherboard model? |
| 00:52.00 | BrenIII | nite |
| 00:52.06 | jetscreamer | no, the computer model. |
| 00:52.26 | poli | justletters: many motherboards can have the same chipset. |
| 00:52.26 | justletters | ye |
| 00:52.32 | poli | justletters: you will have to see it... no other way. |
| 00:52.36 | pdani_ | any idea? |
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| 00:53.03 | poli | pdani_: yes... use 2>&1 to redirect stderr to stdout |
| 00:53.13 | poli | pdani_: like cat /etc/passwd 2>&1 | less |
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| 00:53.22 | justletters | well, i have an asignment in school, which shows me how to do it in windows, but i want to do it in linux! it works in windows anyways, getting the motherboard model just like that.. strange |
| 00:53.28 | pdani_ | thx |
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| 00:54.37 | centrx | justletters, it may infer the motherboard based on the chipset, ide controller, etc. so in linux you might be able to use "discover" or some other program or library that will do the same, i don't know |
| 00:54.44 | ThanaZzzz | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /elive/debootstrap dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.5-8_i386.deb |
| 00:54.44 | ThanaZzzz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:55.20 | azeem | ThanaZzzz: check /elive/debootstrap/debootstrap/debootstrap.log |
| 00:55.25 | azeem | or whereever it is |
| 00:56.03 | ThanaZzzz | hum... warning, dpkg pre-depends of libc6 |
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| 00:56.10 | justletters | centrx: yes, but that windowsprogram do it is to go in bios from a booted os! so does anyone know a way to get info from bios from linux? |
| 00:56.11 | azeem | that should be fin |
| 00:56.12 | azeem | e |
| 00:56.19 | ThanaZzzz | oh yes, wait |
| 00:56.24 | azeem | ThanaZzzz: can you put it up? |
| 00:56.25 | azeem | !paster |
| 00:56.28 | azeem | blah |
| 00:56.30 | ThanaZzzz | yeah |
| 00:57.24 | Laibsch | Does "apt-get build-dep gnucash" fail for you? I can't build gnucash from source right now since libofx-dev cannot be gotten in the right version. I want to recompile to add HBCI support. |
| 00:57.31 | ThanaZzzz | http://pastebin.com/549260 azeem |
| 00:58.36 | ThanaZzzz | this system is new, i have migrated to a newest instalation, i don't know if i have a thing o i don't have... |
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| 00:58.40 | ThanaZzzz | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2005-04-02 00:55 /dev/null |
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| 00:59.18 | fstorm | hello |
| 00:59.21 | azeem | I would assume it'd use the /dev/null in the chroot |
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| 00:59.43 | fstorm | anyone know how one would go about allowing all users to open /dev/port ? |
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| 01:02.07 | ThanaZzzz | azeem i need to mount /dev in --bind ? |
| 01:02.43 | bbrazil | fstorm: read or write? |
| 01:02.52 | fstorm | write |
| 01:02.52 | azeem | ThanaZzzz: what is the main root? Sarge? |
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| 01:03.31 | ThanaZzzz | etch |
| 01:03.36 | azeem | hrm |
| 01:03.36 | ThanaZzzz | making an etch also |
| 01:03.42 | azeem | this should work |
| 01:03.53 | azeem | you shouldn't need to fiddle with devices |
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| 01:04.05 | azeem | do you have a /dev/null in the chroot? |
| 01:04.37 | sandman | centrx: What software package would I be looking at? |
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| 01:04.41 | bbrazil | fstorm: I hope you know what you're doing. chmod 666 /dev/port |
| 01:04.41 | pdani_ | hi |
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| 01:04.51 | fstorm | bbrazil: did that, no go |
| 01:05.00 | smoo2 | hello I am having trouble getting the latest kernel (2.6.15.3) to run, I get a kernel panic about VFS??? I notice in the grub config file the kernel-package thing hasnt made an initrd |
| 01:05.18 | dvs | smoo2: Get 2.6.15.4. ;-) |
| 01:05.40 | ThanaZzzz | root@tanateo[/elive]# l debootstrap/dev/ |
| 01:05.52 | ThanaZzzz | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2005-11-05 19:32 null azeem |
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| 01:06.00 | azeem | ThanaZzzz: are you using the fakechroot variant? |
| 01:06.06 | azeem | ThanaZzzz: is that the only devices? |
| 01:06.13 | pdani_ | i've a problem: when i mount my root-fs read-only, the sshd freeze, when i try to log in (i type in the password, and than nothing happens) |
| 01:06.14 | azeem | or are the other prominent ones present as well |
| 01:06.28 | smoo2 | dvs, noooo it takes 5 hours to compile! is there nothing I can do? |
| 01:06.29 | pdani_ | and i can't find the file, which it try to write into |
| 01:06.46 | ThanaZzzz | i don't think... by root, the classic way, debootstrap.. etc, no, i some more.. but not very, 20 or 30... let me paste |
| 01:06.50 | dvs | smoo2: I know you need the --initrd option to make an initrd using kernel-package |
| 01:06.54 | pdani_ | when i mount the rootfs readwrite, it works fine |
| 01:06.56 | pdani_ | any idea? |
| 01:07.05 | smoo2 | dvs do you think that is the problem? |
| 01:07.10 | ThanaZzzz | http://pastebin.com/549275 azeem |
| 01:07.15 | dvs | smoo2: If you want in initrd, yes. |
| 01:07.26 | dvs | s/in/an |
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| 01:07.41 | smoo2 | dvs its just that the options in grub that work have one, and my new one which dosnt work dosnt |
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| 01:07.55 | HobophobE | how do you change the priority of the GUI? |
| 01:07.59 | poli | I am trying to mount a netbsd ffs in loop, the kernel seems to recognize it as UFS and mounts it read-only, but the mountpoint shows no files at all (despite being mounted). Any ideas? |
| 01:08.09 | poli | HobophobE: man renice |
| 01:08.14 | HobophobE | thanks |
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| 01:08.31 | azeem | ThanaZzzz: well, that's strange |
| 01:08.40 | pdani_ | the /var is on another partition |
| 01:08.40 | ThanaZzzz | yeah :/ |
| 01:08.43 | dvs | smoo2: You can either remove the option in grub, do an update-grub and hope your kernel work or you can recompile the kernel using the --initrd option |
| 01:08.57 | azeem | ThanaZzzz: try to chroot into it, and cat /dev/null or something |
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| 01:09.17 | ThanaZzzz | the only "special" thing to i make azeem is mount /proc and /var/cache/apt/archives on --bind (/proc no --bind, just -t proc) |
| 01:09.26 | pdani_ | i tried to strace it, but i can't find anything interesting (it freezes at a SELECT call) |
| 01:09.53 | azeem | ThanaZzzz: it should mount /proc itself |
| 01:10.01 | azeem | but I wouldn't expect that to make trouble |
| 01:11.45 | ThanaZzzz | ok, let me try again with this little change... |
| 01:12.02 | ThanaZzzz | azeem cat /dev/null = permission denied |
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| 01:12.18 | marcelo_ | hay |
| 01:12.38 | azeem | ThanaZzzz: what does ls -l / | grep dev say? |
| 01:12.43 | azeem | (inside the chroot) |
| 01:12.45 | marcelo_ | hay |
| 01:13.07 | ThanaZzzz | azeem i have set 777 for the directory and also for the "file" null... and also if its funny, show me a permission denied, hehe |
| 01:13.10 | relic | !tell me about start |
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| 01:13.57 | azeem | ThanaZzzz: can you cat any other files? |
| 01:14.07 | ThanaZzzz | nope |
| 01:14.10 | ThanaZzzz | all denied |
| 01:14.25 | ThanaZzzz | hummmm |
| 01:14.34 | ThanaZzzz | let me try i think |
| 01:14.44 | ThanaZzzz | i remember now a change between my before system and this new installed |
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| 01:16.20 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS!!! |
| 01:16.47 | abrotman | again? |
| 01:16.51 | abrotman | that happens every week |
| 01:17.37 | pdani_ | how can i list the files in a directory and its subdirectories sorted by their last modification time, or access time? |
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| 01:17.56 | thingfish | meh. let him do it. |
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| 01:18.26 | jrix | \part |
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| 01:18.54 | centrx | pdani_, check out the manpage for ls |
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| 01:19.17 | swatikiss | how can i install a specific nvidia driver version in debian??? |
| 01:19.36 | twb | How can I list installed packages in order of size on disk? |
| 01:19.45 | twb | i.e. I want to find out what packages are using the most disk space. |
| 01:20.25 | azeem | twb: maybe grep-dctrl can do that |
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| 01:20.51 | smacnay | is there an issue with the latest tetex update in Debian testing? Mine is giving errors on configuration of etex and pdfetex |
| 01:21.19 | abrotman | what kind of errors ? |
| 01:21.51 | swatikiss | msg apt nviida |
| 01:21.54 | swatikiss | msg apt nviDIA |
| 01:21.57 | swatikiss | msg apt nvidia |
| 01:21.59 | swatikiss | msg apt hello |
| 01:22.23 | hatake_kakashi | swatikiss: you forgot the forward slash '/' :p |
| 01:22.24 | smacnay | abrotman: Error: `etex -ini -jobname=jadetex -progname=jadetex &latex jadetex.ini' failed |
| 01:22.34 | swatikiss | hatake_kakashi, thanks ,,,.. i just saw that.. sry |
| 01:22.35 | smacnay | abrotman: that is one error - the first that pops up |
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| 01:23.37 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:23.59 | dvs | boo! |
| 01:24.07 | abrotman | smacnay: did you check the bts? |
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| 01:24.56 | smacnay | abrotman: I just sat down, I will check now |
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| 01:26.41 | james__ | what do you use to watch videos that are normally online(such as .mpg .mp4 .mov .wmv)? I used to use mplayer, but i can't find it in apt in debian testing |
| 01:26.58 | dvs | !marillat |
| 01:27.05 | abrotman | no bot |
| 01:27.07 | abrotman | ~marillat |
| 01:27.09 | apt | [marillat] an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 01:27.40 | james__ | ooh patent issue... |
| 01:29.49 | james__ | i thought debian testing=sid |
| 01:29.57 | james__ | :p |
| 01:30.07 | abrotman | no |
| 01:30.14 | dvs | james__: No way! |
| 01:30.49 | james__ | don't know how i got that idea :P |
| 01:32.06 | twb | azeem: Ah, thanks. The grep-dctrl manpage lists exactly what I want in the examples section. |
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| 01:33.02 | deadcat | FUCK FUCK FUCK UPS!!!.. those assfuckers |
| 01:33.12 | dvs | o_O |
| 01:33.20 | deadcat | damn i want to torture them |
| 01:33.20 | azeem | ... |
| 01:33.28 | dvs | deadcat: and who may that be? |
| 01:33.35 | abrotman | dvs: UPS .. the guys in brown |
| 01:33.37 | deadcat | dvs: ups (= |
| 01:33.39 | deadcat | hahah |
| 01:33.41 | deadcat | that guy |
| 01:33.42 | dvs | ahahahahahah |
| 01:33.55 | james__ | that's why you use FedEx |
| 01:33.57 | smacnay | abrotman: seems that simply re-running 'apt-get dist-upgrade' worked. No errors. Strange |
| 01:34.44 | abrotman | smacnay: indeed |
| 01:34.55 | james__ | is my computer 386 or 586 if my cpu is intel 2.4ghz |
| 01:35.01 | abrotman | 686 |
| 01:35.06 | dvs | james__: It's a 686 |
| 01:35.06 | james__ | @_@ |
| 01:35.08 | deadcat | james__: newegg's default plan... it was in my state on wed. then rerouted to KY, IL, back to CA today. the fucker deilvered it at 4:39 but i guess i felt asleep waiting for that fuck all day... now i have to wait for them to call me so i can go pick it up myself.. |
| 01:35.21 | deadcat | when i get rich i will buy out UPS and fire all of them |
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| 01:35.32 | deadcat | and hire a hitman to take out the CEO (= |
| 01:35.34 | james__ | i realize newegg.com is near my house :P |
| 01:35.39 | abrotman | deadcat: sounds like it's your fault |
| 01:35.50 | deadcat | james__: can you just go over there and buy shits off the shelves? (= |
| 01:36.10 | deadcat | abrotman: what the fuck. i waited from 10am... i had plans for the day! |
| 01:36.18 | james__ | don't know, i never been there before but it's about 15 min. away |
| 01:36.20 | james__ | sorry brb |
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| 01:36.57 | abrotman | deadcat: you're telling me .. you can't stay awake for 7 hours? |
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| 01:37.16 | deadcat | abrotman: no.. i went to sleep at 3am, woke up at 9am |
| 01:37.45 | abrotman | sounds like your fault |
| 01:38.12 | deadcat | abrotman: arg... their fault for rerouting the thing to KY and IL... there. |
| 01:38.30 | deadcat | damn i am so angry right now. |
| 01:38.34 | abrotman | your fault |
| 01:38.36 | james__ | mplyaer packages only have 386 and 586, and mine is 686 o_O |
| 01:38.43 | abrotman | james__: use 586 for that |
| 01:38.43 | deadcat | 586 |
| 01:38.51 | james__ | oh ok |
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| 01:39.33 | deadcat | abrotman: i could have been testing the growisofs command and burn my tv series to dvd 2 days ago.. its their fault that i have to wait few more hours |
| 01:39.50 | abrotman | deadcat: your fault .. you fell asleep |
| 01:40.24 | hggh | a tool for convert maildir to mbox? |
| 01:40.27 | deadcat | abrotman: wait... still there fault. they left my huge ass laser printer outside last time.. this is a small dvd drive. they should have left it outside too (= |
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| 01:40.37 | abrotman | deadcat: their |
| 01:40.42 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
| 01:40.42 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 01:40.55 | dvs | !where have you been? |
| 01:40.55 | dpkg | out drinking with the bots. |
| 01:40.58 | dvs | doh! |
| 01:41.02 | deadcat | hahah |
| 01:41.04 | deadcat | stupid bots |
| 01:41.12 | abrotman | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight? |
| 01:41.12 | dpkg | abrotman: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 01:41.25 | dak | anyone know a link to fix apt* with the new pgp key? |
| 01:41.36 | dak | it was on dpkg but i dont see it in the topic anymore |
| 01:41.38 | abrotman | dak: /topic ? |
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| 01:41.47 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 01:41.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 01:41.48 | dak | ah |
| 01:41.49 | dak | 2006 key |
| 01:41.58 | dak | was named some thin diff few weeks ago |
| 01:42.00 | dak | i think |
| 01:42.04 | dak | thanks abrotman |
| 01:42.04 | B_S | Night |
| 01:42.19 | dak | l |
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| 01:42.34 | ThanaZzzz | azeem, i have solved the problem... is a problem of fstab, (i have tried to create a debootstrap on /mnt/hda5/dir), the bad options is "auto,users,exec", i have changed it to the old mode, just "defaults", and it works now :) |
| 01:42.46 | azeem | ah |
| 01:42.58 | ThanaZzzz | in any case its a little ugly :/ |
| 01:43.05 | james__ | Hakuna Matata! |
| 01:43.13 | deadcat | how do i print the directions from the crappy google map without the crappy map? |
| 01:43.18 | ThanaZzzz | what is the posible option bad ? "exec" ? |
| 01:43.19 | deadcat | cant figure out how. |
| 01:43.28 | abrotman | deadcat: click the link that says printable directions |
| 01:43.40 | azeem | ThanaZzzz: users, maybe |
| 01:43.40 | thingfish | :) |
| 01:43.43 | azeem | I don't know |
| 01:43.55 | deadcat | abrotman: i dont see it. |
| 01:44.23 | abrotman | deadcat: sorry .. that was maps.yahoo |
| 01:44.37 | deadcat | oh |
| 01:44.40 | deadcat | google sucks |
| 01:44.56 | kspath | select copy and paste into a file and print |
| 01:45.11 | deadcat | kspath: damn. no easier way? |
| 01:45.30 | ThanaZzzz | users: This option implies the options noexec, nosuid, and nodev |
| 01:45.38 | ThanaZzzz | i think to its "nodev" azeem |
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| 01:46.15 | ThanaZzzz | this is the typical problem on the liveCDs for restore a grub for example, no /dev/null permissions... because the liveCDs mount's normally with the "nodev" option |
| 01:46.19 | azeem | ThanaZzzz: yeah, if that "I cannot cat any file" was restricted to /dev |
| 01:46.35 | ThanaZzzz | just my experience :) |
| 01:46.36 | james__ | how can I make the "Click here to download plugin" in firefox to view in my mplayer? another package? |
| 01:46.50 | abrotman | james__: apt-cache search mplayer |
| 01:47.22 | deadcat | abrotman: 7pm-8pm.. guess i will go get a haircut while i am out (= |
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| 01:47.36 | james__ | abrotman: i can't find a package that's suitable |
| 01:47.55 | ThanaZzzz | any person knows where i can be posible to find a "light firefox" ? or compile it with the minimum options/libs ? (i don't have found the sourcecode of it), is for my laptop... has only 64 Mb of ram and it scary me when i open firefox :/ |
| 01:48.30 | dvs | ThanaZzzz: light firefox? Firefox is suppose to be a light Mozilla (or Seamonkey now) |
| 01:48.39 | hatake_kakashi | ThanaZzzz: heh use console-based browser ;) |
| 01:48.40 | orgy | ThanaZzzz: use another browser with a smaller memory footprint |
| 01:48.45 | abrotman | !info mozilla-mplayer sarge |
| 01:48.46 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 2.70-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 304 kB |
| 01:48.51 | abrotman | james__: ^^ |
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| 01:48.54 | DimmuR | I'm trying to make own binary of xine-lib (via debian/rules binary) but i have some trouble getting: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldsound". How can i find what's missing? |
| 01:48.55 | abrotman | james__: you need contrib |
| 01:48.59 | abrotman | !tell james__ about contrib |
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| 01:49.55 | ThanaZzzz | hatake_kakashi yeah but... i need it for "special" webpages.. (edition of a webpage, etc etc.. i need to look it a "little good" |
| 01:50.18 | ThanaZzzz | orgy yes... but "minimum complete" ? do you know one ? |
| 01:50.30 | swatikiss | i am having trouble installing the nvidia legacy 7174 drivers... . specifically the nvidia-glx legacy package |
| 01:50.36 | hatake_kakashi | ThanaZzzz: well.. that will be fun heh :) I have no clue about it then |
| 01:50.53 | orgy | ThanaZzzz: "minimum complete" ? |
| 01:51.03 | ThanaZzzz | i have think to if i compile a firefox without the lot of libs... maybe.. :/ |
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| 01:51.16 | swatikiss | nvidia-glx-legacy depends on nvidia-kernel-legacy-1.0.7174 but it is not installable |
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| 01:51.21 | orgy | ~confuse ThanaZzzz |
| 01:51.22 | apt | no them was my gerbil tomorrow ? |
| 01:51.47 | BlueLaguna|Lap | hello, does anyone how how I can install mplayer via apt-get? |
| 01:51.58 | orgy | ~tell BlueLaguna|Lap about marillat |
| 01:52.07 | dvs | BlueLaguna|Lap: Hmmm.... |
| 01:52.59 | BlueLaguna|Lap | dvs: ? |
| 01:53.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 790] by debhelper |
| 01:53.28 | abrotman | !tell BlueLaguna|Lap about mplayer |
| 01:53.42 | ThanaZzzz | boh... i try to compile it via the source of deb-src ;) |
| 01:54.10 | ThanaZzzz | gnomelibs.. ugh!!! i don't need it on my 64 Mb ram computer... and corba... wtf is it ? |
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| 01:54.41 | james__ | yea!! I can watch videos now :) |
| 01:54.58 | dvs | james__: We dont' want to hear about porn! ;-) |
| 01:54.59 | BlueLaguna|Lap | orgy: I've actually already been to that page... |
| 01:55.07 | james__ | noooo |
| 01:55.08 | smoo2 | ThanaZzzz, corba allows for communication between computers / programs |
| 01:55.20 | deadcat | stop bragging about your porno collections dammit |
| 01:55.25 | BlueLaguna|Lap | but after adding deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
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| 01:55.58 | tdz | hi, how do i install the packages from disk 4 and up? |
| 01:56.01 | BlueLaguna|Lap | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.01 | BlueLaguna|Lap | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 01:56.18 | orgy | BlueLaguna|Lap: did you run apt-get update then? |
| 01:56.49 | BlueLaguna|Lap | wait, didn't notice that part |
| 01:56.54 | orgy | *shrug* |
| 01:56.54 | BlueLaguna|Lap | never mind :-/ |
| 01:56.57 | BlueLaguna|Lap | sorry |
| 01:57.09 | tdz | to update debian files type apt-get update ? |
| 01:57.40 | ThanaZzzz | smoo2 and do you think to i "really" need it ? |
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| 01:57.55 | ThanaZzzz | if i want a maximum posible light firefox.. |
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| 01:58.05 | vieira2 | orgy? that's hot |
| 01:58.24 | thingfish | tdz: apt-get update, or apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 01:58.27 | balony_ | I have a SATA disk on /dev/sda1 with windows xp on it. What's the root I use for it in grub? |
| 01:58.32 | deadcat | vieira2: really? he was talking all male orgy.. thats still hot? |
| 01:58.38 | tdz | thanks thingfish |
| 01:58.44 | dvs | balony_: make one up |
| 01:58.49 | tdz | how do i install programs i download in tgz ? |
| 01:58.53 | thingfish | aack tdz sorry apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:58.57 | vieira2 | tdz: update only gets your package databas in sync with the net |
| 01:59.04 | deadcat | thingfish: untar the thing and read the README or INSTALL |
| 01:59.11 | smoo2 | ThanaZzzz, no idea, i dont have x |
| 01:59.16 | vieira2 | deadcat: not that hot |
| 01:59.18 | deadcat | tdz: ^^ |
| 01:59.19 | orgy | vieira2: yeah, /nick viagra, we might need it |
| 01:59.21 | thingfish | deadcat: get lost, I'm not even in your conversation. |
| 01:59.27 | balony_ | dvs: hm? but it doesnt load when I make it e.g (hd2,0) |
| 01:59.47 | deadcat | thingfish: wrong dude. that was for tdz |
| 01:59.49 | dvs | balony_: You're trying to boot it with grub? |
| 01:59.52 | thingfish | oh sorry |
| 02:00.06 | c13ll1s_ch34p_m3 | uh |
| 02:00.11 | c13ll1s_ch34p_m3 | limited |
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| 02:00.20 | c13ll1s_ch34p_m3 | /nick c13ll1s_ch34p_m3ds_d0ggporn |
| 02:00.20 | c13ll1s_ch34p_m3 | :)( |
| 02:00.23 | balony_ | dvs: im booting my linux dist with grub, and I have windows on a SATA disk and I want to be able to boot windows too. But I can make grub work with my sata disk so I can load the win install. |
| 02:00.35 | c13ll1s_ch34p_m3 | ci4all1s |
| 02:00.39 | c13ll1s_ch34p_m3 | dammit |
| 02:00.40 | balony_ | dvs: linux detects my sata disk on /dev/sda1 |
| 02:00.45 | kspath | !spam |
| 02:00.45 | dpkg | [spam] a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) , razor or crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week) |
| 02:00.51 | dabreegster | Hey. I've noticed that, after upgrading libc6 a while ago, some binaries crash with this error: relocation error: /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0: symbol errno, version GLIBC_PRIVATE |
| 02:00.51 | deadcat | c13ll1s_ch34p_m3: cut that shit |
| 02:01.02 | dabreegster | Ack. Continued: not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 02:01.15 | thingfish | !ops c13ll1s_ch34p_m3 is spamming |
| 02:01.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: c13ll1s_ch34p_m3 is spamming |
| 02:01.17 | tdz | how do i "install" a tgz file.. and others. |
| 02:01.23 | c13ll1s_ch34p_m3 | sorry dude |
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| 02:01.31 | azeem | thingfish: spamming what? |
| 02:01.33 | dvs | balony_: I'd imagine it's (sd0,0) but I haven't tried to boot up from SATA |
| 02:01.40 | dabreegster | Anyway, I've researched it, but can't seem to find a definite solution that actually works. Even statically linked apps like ogle have this problem |
| 02:01.41 | vieira2 | I was just joking... jeez... |
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| 02:01.53 | thingfish | oh |
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| 02:02.08 | thingfish | god man what the hell is wrong with me tonight. |
| 02:02.15 | kspath | !spam_smite vieira2 |
| 02:02.15 | orgy | !ganjasmite thingfish |
| 02:02.21 | dvs | !beer thingfish |
| 02:02.22 | abrotman | thingfish: you're in missouri ? |
| 02:02.29 | balony_ | dvs: Im trying that, but when I do grub-install /dev/hda it doesnt list it there. Only my the normal ide disks get listed there. |
| 02:02.36 | thingfish | hehe abrotman yeah, that's a big problem. |
| 02:02.45 | orgy | heh |
| 02:02.58 | thingfish | no, orgy and dvs - too much of both of those already tonight! |
| 02:03.00 | dvs | balony_: Ok. Then I don't know how to fix it. |
| 02:03.05 | kspath | vieira2: I saw WAY too much of that kind of crap in spam as a real mail admin |
| 02:03.10 | vieira2 | ah, the old times... |
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| 02:03.14 | kspath | !mhallsmite vieira2 |
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| 02:03.48 | vieira2 | kspath: that's just crossed the line from funny to disgustingly gross. |
| 02:03.58 | kspath | really? |
| 02:04.01 | Ranarchy | balony: check /boot/grub/device.map |
| 02:04.09 | vieira2 | indeed |
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| 02:04.18 | pdani_ | hi |
| 02:04.20 | systemadmin | is there a new way to make a kernel? |
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| 02:04.32 | orgy | thingfish: at least you know what the hell is wrong then :) |
| 02:04.33 | dvs | !tell systemadmin -about kp |
| 02:04.47 | abrotman | systemadmin: why would you want to? |
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| 02:05.09 | tdz | ok someone tell me how to install files please :D |
| 02:05.11 | balony_ | Ranarchy: yeah, the sata disk is not listed there.. Anyway I can remake that device map? |
| 02:05.20 | dvs | tdz: aptitude |
| 02:05.34 | tdz | dvs, that doesnt help me lol. |
| 02:05.36 | vieira2 | systemadmin: read http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 - The VERY verbose guide to update and compile your kernel the Debian way |
| 02:05.47 | tdz | whats the command line |
| 02:05.51 | balony_ | dvs: apt-cache search ; apt-get install ; tasksel |
| 02:05.52 | dvs | tdz: What? That program doesn't work? |
| 02:05.54 | abrotman | systemadmin: WHY are you compiling your kernel? |
| 02:05.54 | balony_ | dvs: tasksel is simple |
| 02:05.58 | pdani_ | my sshd modify two times the rights of /dev/ttyp0 when i log in through ssh... and if the root-fs is read-only, it freezes (because it can't modify it). why should ssh do this? |
| 02:06.07 | deadcat | tdz: i told you |
| 02:06.11 | tdz | :O |
| 02:06.15 | dvs | balony_: You don't know exactly what you're getting with tasksel |
| 02:06.21 | systemadmin | abrotman, need to apply sata patch for my dvdrom |
| 02:06.24 | balony_ | dvs: dselect then |
| 02:06.26 | balony_ | :) |
| 02:06.31 | predius_ | anyone running nvidia legacy drivers_ |
| 02:06.32 | abrotman | systemadmin: what kernel are you using now |
| 02:06.37 | dvs | balony_: Now that blasphemy! |
| 02:06.39 | predius_ | just installed them and now keyboard does not work. |
| 02:06.40 | systemadmin | 2.6.12 |
| 02:06.40 | vieira2 | abrotman: if his answer is 'because I am free to do it', would you object? |
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| 02:06.47 | abrotman | vieira2: yes .. |
| 02:06.58 | deadcat | predius_: via nvidia.com or the debian way? |
| 02:07.02 | vieira2 | abrotman: may I ask you why? |
| 02:07.10 | predius_ | deadcat: debian way |
| 02:07.11 | abrotman | vieira2: becausae it's a big waste of time .. and usually fails |
| 02:07.14 | deadcat | predius_: wow |
| 02:07.17 | predius_ | deadcat: semi debian way |
| 02:07.17 | systemadmin | abrotman, 2.6.12-1-386 |
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| 02:07.24 | deadcat | predius_: then you on your own (= |
| 02:07.25 | pdani_ | so any idea? |
| 02:07.32 | abrotman | systemadmin: no other versions of the kernel support your drive? |
| 02:07.34 | dvs | systemadmin: Move on to linux-image then |
| 02:07.34 | orgy | vieira2: and because linux-image-$foo exist for good reasons |
| 02:07.35 | predius_ | deadcat: well, I used what debian provided. |
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| 02:07.49 | systemadmin | well the dvd rom is internal |
| 02:07.52 | predius_ | deadcat: using the module sources, I compiled it. |
| 02:07.52 | swatikiss | how can i stop X |
| 02:07.56 | swatikiss | how can i X |
| 02:08.11 | hatake_kakashi | init 3 && killall Xorg |
| 02:08.11 | tdz | guys, you are going to be mad :p but i'm still confused here |
| 02:08.16 | systemadmin | abrotman, my dvd rom is sata i guess, and i read something that i have to apply a patch to get it working |
| 02:08.18 | vieira2 | abrotman: there is an easy and safe way to compile your kernel and generate a .deb file with on debian. Maybe people want to try it out |
| 02:08.32 | abrotman | vieira2: and for 99% of the people . it's a waste of time |
| 02:08.33 | deadcat | tdz: what the fuck you want to install? |
| 02:08.51 | abrotman | !tell vieira2 about custom kernel |
| 02:08.56 | orgy | vieira2: the whole problem is not compiling, it's ending up with a useable .config file |
| 02:09.08 | vieira2 | abrotman: I let people decide for themselves about such personal issues. |
| 02:09.16 | tdz | lol deadcat |
| 02:09.33 | deadcat | swatikiss: if you using and display manager. just /etc/init.d/your display manager stop, else just ps -ef and look for the X pid and kill them |
| 02:09.38 | tdz | all the packages on disk 4 - 10 |
| 02:09.41 | abrotman | vieira2: yes .. i enjoy letting people fuck up thier own computers and then asking me for help . or i could just stop them from fucking it up to begin with .. hrm .. |
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| 02:09.42 | deadcat | tdz: what are you stupid? |
| 02:09.52 | tdz | :( |
| 02:09.55 | hatake_kakashi | tdz: lmao |
| 02:10.00 | deadcat | tdz: then use aptitude. run aptitude |
| 02:10.14 | hatake_kakashi | you don't need to install all 10+ cds |
| 02:10.19 | deadcat | tdz: or run tasksel and select everything |
| 02:10.22 | kspath | tdz: do you think if he inserted them via his sinus it would work? |
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| 02:11.02 | tdz | lol, some help chan, seems like bragging rights for kid's, thanks for the help btw liable, fuck you cunts |
| 02:11.07 | vieira2 | abrotman: well... I used to recompile the kernel using the Debian sources as my first step after an install... but back then, I had the time to do such :) |
| 02:11.07 | cindy | is there a linux program to put ring tones on a cell phone - i have a usb data cable |
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| 02:11.16 | deadcat | cindy: no |
| 02:11.36 | ClayG | what is the arguement with wget to download a whole site, but not sites that it may link to ? |
| 02:11.39 | predius_ | deadcat: the debian package is broken anyway :( |
| 02:11.49 | cindy | deadcat, thank you |
| 02:11.52 | deadcat | predius_: testing or unstable? |
| 02:11.53 | ClayG | I thought it was -r but that only downloads a partial site |
| 02:11.58 | predius_ | deadcat: unstable |
| 02:12.01 | kspath | tdz: I think what people are trying to say is that you do not say something like install everything. You can not have exim and postfix and sendmail all using port 25 at the same time... |
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| 02:12.16 | vieira2 | cindy: have you googled for it? |
| 02:12.20 | predius_ | deadcat: still, not dependencies, but broken as in not working and having to compile directly without devscripts |
| 02:12.22 | cindy | yes |
| 02:12.27 | deadcat | cindy: just download the ring tones right? can you just setup your own webserver and download it that way? i dont know how ring tones work. |
| 02:12.50 | deadcat | predius_: hmm. i am using nvidia driver. no problem here |
| 02:12.57 | predius_ | deadcat: legacy? |
| 02:13.12 | deadcat | predius_: m-a a-i nvidia |
| 02:13.13 | azeem | cindy: what kind of phone? |
| 02:13.19 | cindy | ahhh good idea deadcat |
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| 02:13.31 | cindy | azeem, lg g4515 |
| 02:13.40 | kspath | I do not understand people and their motives for doing bizarre stuffs... |
| 02:13.40 | azeem | dunno about that, sorry |
| 02:13.44 | unclemike | ? was looking in debian..both stable and testing package list...is kde 3.4.3...the latested for debian |
| 02:13.53 | azeem | kspath: it is not required |
| 02:13.53 | deadcat | i want a cell phone that do the kidnapper voice (= |
| 02:14.01 | vieira2 | cindy: perhaps you don't even need a program, if your cellphone behaves as a "pendrive" when you plug it |
| 02:14.05 | kspath | azeem: True. |
| 02:14.05 | predius_ | deadcat: I need the legacy drivers, it's an old card. |
| 02:14.12 | predius_ | wont work with new ones. |
| 02:14.16 | deadcat | o |
| 02:14.24 | swatikiss | glx debs |
| 02:14.27 | Nopalin | hi, i have already create an account, buf if i lig in witd it, the default shell user@host:currentDit not apeart, this i what i see sh-2.05b$, eny can help me? |
| 02:14.41 | deadcat | predius_: just use NV if the card is old and crappy |
| 02:14.42 | cindy | vieira2, no it does not - i was hoping and tried |
| 02:14.57 | predius_ | deadcat: I need 3d. |
| 02:15.02 | deadcat | Nopalin: usermod -s /bin/bash username |
| 02:15.03 | predius_ | and it DID work before. |
| 02:15.14 | vieira2 | cindy: the I guess you had bad luck :) may searching through sourceforge.net? |
| 02:15.19 | kspath | There are so many packages that even if you could install them all which you can not it would take months to attempt to try them all properly. Assuming that was your task in life and others fed/clothed/sheltered you. |
| 02:15.57 | vieira2 | may be* |
| 02:16.05 | Nopalin | deadcat: what do this command? |
| 02:16.07 | deadcat | whats the kidnapper voice thing called? |
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| 02:16.14 | deadcat | Nopalin: change your default shell from sh to bash |
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| 02:16.35 | azeem | 2.05b is bash, no? |
| 02:16.38 | kspath | It took me 24-72 hours to just look over the basic descriptions of all packages. |
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| 02:16.46 | balony_ | How do I purge a package? |
| 02:16.54 | deadcat | balony_: man apt-get |
| 02:16.56 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 02:17.05 | dvs | balony_: Stick your finger in your mouth |
| 02:17.05 | azeem | man aptitude |
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| 02:17.13 | azeem | dvs: wrong |
| 02:17.15 | abrotman | man dselect |
| 02:17.23 | Nopalin | deadcat: where i cant change my default shell? |
| 02:17.26 | dvs | azeem: Aw |
| 02:17.27 | Nopalin | can* |
| 02:17.28 | balony_ | I thought I used apt-get purge foo before |
| 02:17.32 | vieira2 | dpkg? that's like playing with the freshmen |
| 02:17.45 | deadcat | azeem: Nopalin i told you the command. but do this first. grep username /etc/passwd and paste here. |
| 02:17.47 | azeem | vi /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 02:17.48 | orgy | balony_: apt-get remove --purge rather |
| 02:17.52 | dvs | balony_: apt-get --purge remove |
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| 02:18.59 | Nopalin | deadcat: ok, sorry if i act like a dumb, but how i cant the default shell, for all new users that i could create, no for every one |
| 02:19.09 | Nopalin | ho i can* |
| 02:19.19 | Nopalin | how i can change* |
| 02:19.29 | balony_ | dvs, orgy: but the package is already remved, I just want to purge it. |
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| 02:19.34 | deadcat | Nopalin: i told you: usermod -s /bin/bash username |
| 02:19.38 | vieira2 | Nopalin: change for every user or just for some? |
| 02:19.41 | Co3us | I'm having a bit of a problem with my apt-get's. When I run any sort of apt-get install 'whatever' I recieve this error: 'This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option.' |
| 02:19.42 | dvs | balony_: try it anyways |
| 02:19.45 | azeem | for all new users |
| 02:19.46 | resiak | !e2fsprogs |
| 02:19.46 | dpkg | e2fsprogs is, like, http://bugs.debian.org/325834 |
| 02:19.48 | deadcat | Nopalin: do that command first. grep username /etc/passwd and paste here |
| 02:19.51 | balony_ | dvs: just says it\s removed. |
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| 02:20.01 | dvs | balony_: dpkg -P <package> |
| 02:20.08 | resiak | !tell Co3us -about e2fsprogs loop |
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| 02:20.30 | balony_ | dvs: can't find the package since I downloaded it with apt-get |
| 02:20.45 | dvs | balony_: You don't know what it's name is? |
| 02:20.51 | balony_ | yeah, hotplug |
| 02:20.51 | Co3us | thanks resiak, I'll give it a try |
| 02:20.58 | dvs | balony_: dpkg -P hotplug |
| 02:21.05 | Nopalin | vieira2: i mean that if i create a user, i dont wanna do thta command, by default new user take bash as default shell |
| 02:21.23 | irawan | hi all, I've been using debian for a while, already connected to Internet, now looking good links about how to secure my debian box |
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| 02:23.16 | vieira2 | Nopalin: you will have to edit /etc/adduser.conf |
| 02:23.29 | vieira2 | You'll see a line with DSHEL=... |
| 02:23.30 | Acid`X | little help here, im installing deb from netinstall, and when installing discover1, the hd made a sound like turned off and the installation is stuck, any idea? |
| 02:24.04 | vieira2 | Nopalin: just make it DSHELL=/bin/bash |
| 02:24.20 | Nopalin | vieira2: this is weird, i have that, but dont appear by default |
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| 02:24.46 | Nopalin | vieira2: you know how i can start | stop eth0 interface? |
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| 02:24.58 | Nopalin | by default i have dhcp, but i want to set static ip |
| 02:25.08 | dvs | Nopalin: man interfaces |
| 02:25.17 | vieira2 | Nopalin: perhaps bash is absent oh your system (can it get wierder?) |
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| 02:25.59 | vieira2 | Nopalin: # base-config |
| 02:26.36 | vieira2 | it would take you to that "wizard" you got when you installed Debian. |
| 02:26.43 | irawan | anyone knows links about securing debian that already running for sometimes and connected to the Internet? |
| 02:27.18 | vieira2 | irawan: aptitude install harden |
| 02:27.21 | Nopalin | vieira2: yes i can see a menu |
| 02:27.35 | markybob | irawan: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ also take a look at www.sf.net/projects/shellter |
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| 02:28.14 | Nopalin | vieira2: bash is nto absent on my system |
| 02:28.26 | vieira2 | Nopalin: accept the defaulst untill you get to that question about DHCP |
| 02:28.33 | Nopalin | vieira2: well you know how i cant start | sto eth0 interface? |
| 02:28.37 | vieira2 | Nopalin: then I don't know what's happening |
| 02:28.52 | vieira2 | (00:27:30) dvs: Nopalin: man interfaces |
| 02:29.53 | Nopalin | vieira2: ok, thank you very much, i think am a dumb ass |
| 02:29.53 | markybob | Nopalin: /etc/init.d/networking stop or just ifconfig eth0 down |
| 02:29.57 | irawan | thanks for the clues |
| 02:30.22 | Nopalin | i need to learn english, my english isnt very well |
| 02:30.59 | markybob | Nopalin: your english is much better than most of our spanish :) |
| 02:31.32 | Nopalin | lol, i never said that i speak spanish, how do you know that? |
| 02:31.45 | markybob | Nopalin: your ip says it all |
| 02:31.52 | Nopalin | mexico? |
| 02:31.54 | Nopalin | damn |
| 02:32.08 | markybob | Nopalin: yep :) |
| 02:32.11 | vieira2 | Nopalin: holla! :) |
| 02:32.12 | Nopalin | i need to get a way for hide that |
| 02:32.20 | resiak | Why? |
| 02:32.27 | Nopalin | its hola, with single l |
| 02:32.29 | markybob | Nopalin: no need, unless you're doing bad things |
| 02:32.48 | resiak | (Admittedly, I have a hostmask, but...) |
| 02:32.52 | Nopalin | no, i dont do bad things, but i dont wanna be visible for all |
| 02:32.55 | vieira2 | I figured out after I typed it... I guess I mixed with olla |
| 02:33.08 | markybob | resiak: heh :) |
| 02:33.11 | vieira2 | Hey, it's past-midnight here, gimme a break :) |
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| 02:33.37 | dvs | Fri Feb 10 21:33:37 EST 2006 |
| 02:33.42 | dvs | Not here! |
| 02:33.54 | Nopalin | vieira2: ok, here is 8:40 |
| 02:33.55 | Nopalin | pm |
| 02:34.01 | abrotman | dvs: aren't you in taiwan? |
| 02:34.05 | hatake_kakashi | Sat Feb 11 12:36:01 EST 2006 |
| 02:34.11 | dvs | abrotman: Why? How did you guess? ;-) |
| 02:34.19 | abrotman | dvs: because your english sucks |
| 02:34.31 | dvs | abrotman: My english ain't no bad! |
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| 02:34.49 | vieira2 | hatake_kakashi: japan? |
| 02:34.54 | Nopalin | any want some of tequila!! |
| 02:34.59 | Nopalin | i need a shot |
| 02:35.00 | abrotman | dvs: no wait .. you must be from australia! |
| 02:35.02 | hatake_kakashi | abrotman: he's not from Taiwan :p |
| 02:35.06 | hatake_kakashi | vieira2: no |
| 02:35.15 | dvs | abrotman: (Dare I ask) Why would you say that? |
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| 02:35.21 | mentor | I'm drunk. But really, this isn't the time or the place. |
| 02:35.29 | kspath | dvs: your anglish |
| 02:35.31 | hatake_kakashi | abrotman: you're a bad guesser:P |
| 02:35.37 | vieira2 | hatake_kakashi: anyway, hi from half a world apart |
| 02:35.40 | abrotman | dvs: your english sucks! |
| 02:35.46 | dvs | ......... |
| 02:35.52 | abrotman | dvs: you're actually from NC? |
| 02:36.03 | hatake_kakashi | vieira2: yes, hi |
| 02:36.14 | dvs | abrotman: Look norther than you! |
| 02:36.19 | abrotman | dvs: maine? |
| 02:36.26 | dvs | abrotman: that east of you |
| 02:36.34 | abrotman | dvs: NY! |
| 02:36.40 | kspath | Nova Scotia? |
| 02:36.43 | abrotman | dvs: i'm sorry |
| 02:36.46 | vieira2 | Nopalin: the killa? :) no thanks |
| 02:36.51 | dvs | abrotman: You're getting warmer, so to speak. |
| 02:36.59 | abrotman | dvs: MA! |
| 02:37.01 | kspath | NJ? |
| 02:37.17 | Nopalin | vieira2: jeje, in mexico that sounds very good =) |
| 02:37.24 | kspath | road isle? |
| 02:37.26 | abrotman | dvs: eh? poutine? |
| 02:37.47 | dvs | abrotman: That's northeast. |
| 02:37.56 | vieira2 | I knew it :) |
| 02:37.58 | hatake_kakashi | dvs: Gaudrault, Marc? :p |
| 02:38.09 | Nopalin | vieira2: jeje, your real name says that you have a latin name |
| 02:38.12 | dvs | abrotman: It's pretty much straight north from you. |
| 02:38.19 | markybob | ontario canada |
| 02:38.19 | abrotman | dvs: i said poutine! |
| 02:38.26 | dvs | abrotman: Hint, cross two Great Lakes |
| 02:38.31 | abrotman | MI! |
| 02:38.32 | vieira2 | Nopalin: that's correct. I am brazilian |
| 02:38.43 | kspath | WI? |
| 02:38.45 | markybob | dvs ontario. near chatham |
| 02:38.53 | markybob | vieira2: eu tambien |
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| 02:38.58 | vieira2 | I met a mexican guy on Peru |
| 02:39.08 | abrotman | dvs: VT! |
| 02:39.09 | Nopalin | you speak spanish? |
| 02:39.09 | kspath | !blame_canada |
| 02:39.17 | abrotman | dvs: MOntana! |
| 02:39.18 | SerajewelKS | !sing blame canada |
| 02:39.18 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
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| 02:39.32 | markybob | at least they have milk in a bag! |
| 02:39.39 | vieira2 | markybob: really? Did you knew that brazilians don't speak spanish, and the portuguese word for 'tambien' is 'também'? I guess not. |
| 02:40.02 | markybob | vieira2: no. i was born there but raised in chicago. i dont speak portuguese very well and i write worth shit |
| 02:40.09 | |Gaara| | can someone help me? |
| 02:40.12 | kspath | I thought Brazil moved to Portugal! |
| 02:40.16 | markybob | vieira2: i appreciate you calling me a liar, though. |
| 02:40.18 | abrotman | dvs: New Hampshire! |
| 02:40.19 | SerajewelKS | !tell |Gaara| about ask |
| 02:40.31 | delire | kspath: you must be an American |
| 02:40.37 | dvs | abrotman: Oh please, I wish |
| 02:40.44 | vieira2 | Nopalin: I *speak* a little bit, but I don't write it good enough :) I can read pretty well, though. |
| 02:40.51 | abrotman | dvs: i've mentioned everything north of me |
| 02:40.58 | Nopalin | jeje like me with english |
| 02:40.59 | kspath | delire: Um. Pardon? |
| 02:41.02 | abrotman | oh .. except RI and CT |
| 02:41.02 | |Gaara| | SerajewelKS debian dont found my sata hd |
| 02:41.03 | markybob | vieira2: it's "well enough"... nice try, though. |
| 02:41.16 | vieira2 | markybob: don't take it too seriously. I was just pre-emptying a possible prank :P |
| 02:41.19 | Nopalin | i only know how to write basic phrases, but no more, |
| 02:41.32 | Nopalin | creo que estoy medio pendejo para el ingles, apoco no? |
| 02:41.37 | SerajewelKS | |Gaara|: oh, i don't have experience with SATA, ask the whole channel =) |
| 02:41.50 | kspath | delire: Are you aware that is America is LARGE like North and South America? |
| 02:42.03 | Nopalin | |Gaara|, what version of kernel you have? |
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| 02:42.26 | kspath | abrotman: road isle |
| 02:42.26 | |Gaara| | [Nopalin] 2.6 |
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| 02:42.26 | vieira2 | Nopalin: pero puedese entenderlo :) |
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| 02:42.29 | bandd | hi all |
| 02:42.30 | delire | kspath: what are you talking about? |
| 02:42.36 | abrotman | dvs: georgia! |
| 02:42.43 | Nopalin | vieira2: lol, tendre mas cuidado, el chamuco anda suelto =) |
| 02:42.46 | bandd | i would like to install debian for gateway/proxy/www/ldap |
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| 02:42.55 | abrotman | dvs: you're from russia? |
| 02:42.57 | bandd | what i should to do next |
| 02:43.06 | abrotman | !d-i bandd |
| 02:43.07 | dpkg | bandd, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:43.09 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:43.09 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 02:43.10 | bandd | i have 2 machine in my situation |
| 02:43.19 | kspath | delire: I would guess by your statement that you do not know and that perhaps you think I do not know. I will leave it at that. |
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| 02:43.42 | Nopalin | |Gaara|, lspci and figure out what contorller for you sata you need |
| 02:44.20 | Nopalin | vieira2: you live in? brazil i guess |
| 02:44.25 | vieira2 | Nopalin: qué es un chamuco? |
| 02:44.31 | vieira2 | Nopalin: yes |
| 02:44.34 | abrotman | dvs: poutine! |
| 02:44.47 | Nopalin | vieira2: chamuco in mexico like a devil, but with some of joke |
| 02:45.02 | dvs | abrotman: I can't say I like the stuff |
| 02:45.16 | parsonsd | is there a program similar to tcpdump that is installed by default? |
| 02:45.40 | Nopalin | |Gaara|: you can do like this, lspci | grep ATA |
| 02:45.42 | parsonsd | or should i go out and apt-get tcpdump? |
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| 02:45.49 | abrotman | dvs: i said that before .. and you acted like i was crazy |
| 02:46.06 | _jamie___ | can i write to a vserver directory while the vserver is booted and running or will that cause corruption? |
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| 02:46.36 | dvs | abrotman: I said that (Montreal) is more to the east of me. |
| 02:46.45 | abrotman | dvs: oh .. gotcha .. i'm sorry |
| 02:46.50 | |Gaara| | [Nopalin] ok thanks i will try |
| 02:46.51 | vieira2 | Nopalin: got it :) |
| 02:47.29 | abrotman | dvs: you're in .. ottawa! |
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| 02:47.43 | dvs | abrotman: More west than that |
| 02:47.43 | kspath | damn brit canadian?!?! |
| 02:47.50 | m1ke_l | what gives me the power to ping via shortname and not server.domain.com? |
| 02:47.53 | abrotman | toronto! |
| 02:47.55 | m1ke_l | etc/resolv.conf right? |
| 02:47.58 | dvs | !prise abrotman |
| 02:48.04 | dvs | doh! |
| 02:48.10 | dvs | !win abrotman |
| 02:48.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 02:48.13 | _jamie___ | (or is there a better channel to ask that in.. i think I ended up in #canada by accident) ;-) |
| 02:48.18 | markybob | m1ke_l: /etc/hosts if i understand what you mean |
| 02:48.21 | Nopalin | i think that spanish is very simple, and its pronunciation is more simple than any other language, the dificult i guess is its big big big verbose speaking |
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| 02:48.56 | Nopalin | vieira2: sorry, i dont know how to write an understandable phrase |
| 02:49.03 | m1ke_l | markybob: i should be able to ping servers in my own domain by short name |
| 02:49.05 | m1ke_l | how? |
| 02:49.10 | _jamie___ | m1ke_l: /etc/resolv.conf read the man page for resolv.conf about search domain |
| 02:49.11 | m1ke_l | without using hosts file |
| 02:49.20 | m1ke_l | right, is that the ONLY file? |
| 02:49.24 | m1ke_l | 'cuase its not working. |
| 02:49.39 | m1ke_l | its like /etc/resolve doesn't work |
| 02:49.47 | _jamie___ | m1ke_l: you need to have search mydomain.com someotherdomain.com |
| 02:49.52 | m1ke_l | maybe ill recreate it....sometimes it gets corrupt |
| 02:49.58 | vieira2 | Nopalin: actually the letters ll and ch are quite unusual among other languages, which makes it a bit difficult to learn |
| 02:50.04 | _jamie___ | m1ke_l: it's RESOLV.CONF, no E |
| 02:50.21 | markybob | m1ke_l: specify domain and search in resolv.conf |
| 02:50.27 | m1ke_l | roger...thanks...just confirming im not crazy! |
| 02:50.35 | vieira2 | Nopalin: try to get a north-american to say 'armadillo' right and you'll see what i mean :) |
| 02:50.37 | m1ke_l | i do that and it makes no difference. |
| 02:50.45 | _jamie___ | m1ke_l: no, it never gets corrupt. ;-) but you might have ooh, can't remember. that resolve app installed |
| 02:50.49 | m1ke_l | ill delete it and make new. |
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| 02:51.14 | kspath | vieira2: really get an italian to say armadillo |
| 02:51.20 | _jamie___ | m1ke_l: all you need is nameserver 192.168.1.1\nsearch yahoo.com |
| 02:51.34 | _jamie___ | in /etc/resolv.conf. note that resolve is mispelled to resolv |
| 02:51.43 | Nopalin | well, i think every language has a own letters, dont know spanish going to be a dificult language, its pronunciation it is very simple!! than english |
| 02:51.52 | m1ke_l | YUP!! bad file. |
| 02:51.56 | m1ke_l | thanks for listening. |
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| 02:52.03 | vieira2 | kspath: I haven't had many contact with italians, so i don't know what the results would be... :) |
| 02:52.19 | _jamie___ | can i write to a linux-vserver directory while the vserver is booted and running or will that cause corruption? |
| 02:52.24 | Nopalin | vieira2: jejej, paranagaricuturimicuaro, it's a dificul word =) |
| 02:52.58 | Nopalin | vieira2: however in meet an american that cant pronunciate "limon" (lemon in english, i guess) |
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| 02:53.38 | vieira2 | Nopalin: wow... I wouldn't guess that... |
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| 02:53.48 | parsonsd | nopalin: also "lime" |
| 02:53.50 | kspath | not all latin languages treat those words the same either please |
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| 02:54.39 | Nopalin | kspath: no, but we are talking about mexican-spanish here |
| 02:55.09 | vieira2 | of course not |
| 02:55.24 | vieira2 | but i didn't get your point, kspath.. |
| 02:55.36 | kspath | vieira2: spanish EU spanish Mexico Portguese Portugal Portugese Brazil Italian French Romanian and that is not a complete list nor does it go into regionals issues dialects |
| 02:55.56 | delire | Nopalin: english is a 'punchline' language, at times remembered and spoken as collections of phrases. more and more it's used as an interface between other languages, esp here in the EU. |
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| 02:56.44 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 02:57.10 | Silent_al | hello again, is there a help channel for enemy-territory? |
| 02:57.16 | delire | Nopalin: more and more english, as a singular entity, doesn't really exist. dictionaries can't keep up. Spanish however has carefully guarded 'canons', as such has rules that can be relied on. |
| 02:57.34 | vieira2 | kspath: yeah, but there are many sounds they share, anyway. i'm not ridicularizing it in any sense, man |
| 02:57.52 | kspath | delire: Good point, smart nations like Spain and Mexico created colleges for their languages. |
| 02:58.01 | delire | Silent_al: as you can see this is #language-studies. |
| 02:58.03 | Nazcafan | I'm trying to get winscp work with my ssh-server. I think I did the settings right, however, I keep having this : network error, connexion refused. Has anyone tried it before ? |
| 02:58.04 | vieira2 | arabians are said to have 5 sounds near 'r' |
| 02:58.14 | delire | kspath: true |
| 02:58.21 | parsonsd | delire: i'd imagine that most English grammar books are such canons |
| 02:58.28 | dn4 | Does anyone know how to make directory ./games into a .zip |
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| 02:58.33 | delire | parsonsd: valid for about a day.. |
| 02:58.43 | vieira2 | and umlauts and other sounds on the german language most latin can't speak |
| 02:58.49 | markybob | dn4 apt-get install zip && man zip |
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| 02:58.51 | kspath | parsonsd: no, unfortunately we allowed to much "freedom" |
| 02:58.58 | liable | dn4: doesnt the man page explain it? |
| 02:59.25 | delire | parsonsd: english might as well be released under a Creative Commons license.. |
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| 02:59.31 | ftp3 | hey, i screwed up and f'ed my perl install.. i tried apt-get install perl-base but it just says that the latest is installed (it is, but its screwed).. anyone have a suggestion? |
| 02:59.38 | kspath | delire: hehehe VERY good one. |
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| 02:59.50 | SerajewelKS | ftp3: apt-get --reinstall install perl-base |
| 02:59.50 | liable | Nazcafan: are you sure that ssh is running? if it is, then its a firewall problem |
| 02:59.53 | delire | kspath: ;) |
| 02:59.57 | ftp3 | thanks Sera! |
| 03:00.03 | Nopalin | damn, i cant understand very well |
| 03:00.08 | kspath | delire: so true and so sad also. |
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| 03:00.17 | Nopalin | i need english classes! |
| 03:00.25 | parsonsd | delire: This is valid for far longer than a day; it is just that many people are very liberal with how they write. |
| 03:00.31 | kspath | delire: I understand adding to the language but not reversing the meanings of words. |
| 03:00.33 | markybob | Nopalin: i'm sure they have one at your local college :) |
| 03:00.57 | Nopalin | markybob: im not in college |
| 03:01.01 | kspath | delire: you might want to replace the word liberal with the word wrong/incorrect. |
| 03:01.08 | Nazcafan | liable: I can connect to the ssh server through a linux machine |
| 03:01.29 | liable | Nazcafan: then look at the windows machines firewall. |
| 03:01.30 | parsonsd | English is, however, a language with great fluidity. |
| 03:01.40 | vieira2 | ftp3: i guess there's a --force-downgrade option for apt-get... you might check the manpage |
| 03:01.41 | liable | Nazcafan: /msg dpkg connection refused |
| 03:01.51 | kspath | parsonsd: fluidity as in down the sewer or drain? |
| 03:02.24 | Nopalin | parsonsd, english is less verbose than many other languages, this is one of its wornders, but not fluidity |
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| 03:02.32 | kspath | parsonsd: Look as the writings from the past. The language is getting damaged like what happened to Latin. |
| 03:02.32 | abrotman | wtf kind of channel si this ? |
| 03:02.43 | Nazcafan | liable: err, how do I set up a firewall with win ? |
| 03:02.49 | liable | engrish philanthropy? :) |
| 03:02.49 | kspath | !off-topic_smite kspath |
| 03:02.52 | Nazcafan | I thought it was down |
| 03:03.11 | liable | Nazcafan: that is something i cant and dont want to answer :) |
| 03:03.23 | delire | kspath: agreed.. |
| 03:03.35 | dvs | Nazcafan: It came back from drinking |
| 03:03.47 | markybob | Nazcafan: start->settings->control panel->network->right click on interface->click properties->click on firewall tab |
| 03:04.23 | vieira2 | and after that, the basic windows steps: next > next > finish |
| 03:04.31 | liable | reboot! |
| 03:04.43 | dvs | !windowssmite vieira2 |
| 03:04.45 | abrotman | depends on the version of windows actually |
| 03:04.46 | Nopalin | vieira2: you what is the most risk of windows? |
| 03:05.05 | markybob | oh who gives half a shit |
| 03:05.10 | Nopalin | vieira2: no hackers, no crackers, no virus, no spam, the major risk of windows is.... the users!!! |
| 03:05.16 | parsonsd | I didmn |
| 03:05.28 | Nopalin | early all of windows user hasnt an idea f what theay are doing |
| 03:05.45 | Nazcafan | markybob: thanks, the firewall seems to be down |
| 03:05.49 | parsonsd | I didn't mind the banter on spoken and written language, please -- leave the Windows out! |
| 03:05.53 | markybob | Nopalin: if you think most linux users have a clue, you havent been in #ubuntu or #fedora |
| 03:06.22 | Nopalin | markybob: yes, linux users have a clue than windows users |
| 03:06.23 | abrotman | or #d on a sunday |
| 03:06.32 | parsonsd | nopalin: i haven't a clue, either |
| 03:06.33 | markybob | abrotman: indeed :) |
| 03:06.33 | vieira2 | Nopalin: no user should have to have classes to use a pc... the problem is just bad implementation of a good concept |
| 03:07.29 | kspath | everyday is sunday! |
| 03:07.35 | Nopalin | if you wfor that reason, i dont want to ridiculize windows users, only i say that linux user know more about pc than windows users |
| 03:07.35 | liable | Nazcafan: make sure that winscp is using the right port. |
| 03:07.42 | Nazcafan | 22 |
| 03:07.45 | liable | who cares anyway? |
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| 03:08.21 | Nazcafan | liable: I do since many computers run under win, I want to have access to my computer from win too |
| 03:08.27 | Nopalin | the other day, i meet a person that get scary with a virus free scan propagande on internet |
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| 03:08.47 | liable | Nazcafan: your probably better off asking in a windows channel, obviously your sshd is ok if you can access it from another box. |
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| 03:08.55 | vieira2 | Nopalin: back 5 years ago, maybe... not true for every linux user now... |
| 03:09.01 | liable | Nazcafan: that comment wasnt for you.. :) |
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| 03:09.29 | Nopalin | vieira2, ok, like me, i dont know how to manipulate etho interface, jeje |
| 03:09.30 | Nazcafan | liable: does it exist on freenode ? |
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| 03:09.44 | liable | Nazcafan: i believe there is a windows channel, yes. |
| 03:10.01 | Nazcafan | liable: I'll try there then, thanks |
| 03:10.02 | liable | Nazcafan: otherwise, try another network. |
| 03:10.06 | liable | np |
| 03:10.20 | jebstark_ | hello. I've got problems booting with any kernel that I've compiled on my own. After choosing the kernel to boot in GRUB on the startup the kernel seem to load, but I wont get no display. btw, I'm running a laptop. |
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| 03:10.39 | vieira2 | Nopalin: see? |
| 03:10.42 | vieira2 | :P |
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| 03:10.58 | Nopalin | yes, i can see |
| 03:11.18 | Nopalin | you really think that linux system is more security than windows? |
| 03:11.23 | abrotman | jebstark_: so don't compile your own kernel |
| 03:11.29 | abrotman | vieira2: see what i was saying earlier |
| 03:11.46 | markybob | heh |
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| 03:11.59 | kspath | Nopalin: Do you really think that linux is more secure than M$ windblowz? |
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| 03:12.14 | jebstark_ | abrot: fuck. I have always been compiling my own kernels, why should I stop? I wont the most of my computer don't I? |
| 03:12.18 | vieira2 | abrotman: ditto. <:) |
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| 03:12.25 | Cyorxamp | Hey, is there a debian based linux that is not 'GNU/Linux' (i.e. like suse it comes with commercial apps) ? |
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| 03:12.38 | dvs | Cyorxamp: not likely |
| 03:12.43 | jebstark_ | wont=want |
| 03:13.05 | abrotman | jebstark_: you're probably wasting your time .. |
| 03:13.05 | Cyorxamp | is that due to debian being GNU/Linux in the first place? |
| 03:13.18 | jebstark_ | abrot: why? |
| 03:13.19 | Nopalin | kspath: dont know, i ask that too |
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| 03:13.44 | dvs | Cyorxamp: No, it's due to the fact that most Linux distributions use GNU tools. |
| 03:13.57 | vieira2 | Cyorxamp: every linux distro is GNU/Linux |
| 03:14.00 | abrotman | jebstark_: what's your CPU? |
| 03:14.05 | kspath | Cyorxamp: There might be somethings that you can get with Xandros but it is not Debian even though it uses some tools/features from Debian. |
| 03:14.13 | Cyorxamp | vieira2 - suse is not |
| 03:14.20 | vieira2 | Yes it is. |
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| 03:14.26 | Nopalin | vieira2: i dont think that |
| 03:14.30 | jebstark_ | abrot: 1729.681/centrino |
| 03:14.33 | markybob | cyberkni: being a commercial distro has nothing to do with it using gnu tools |
| 03:14.34 | Nopalin | gentoo is not GNU/Linux |
| 03:14.39 | vieira2 | It is a GNU operating system over a Linux kernel |
| 03:14.39 | markybob | oh my lord |
| 03:14.42 | markybob | seriously, people |
| 03:14.48 | Cyorxamp | vieira2 - http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/commercial.html |
| 03:14.55 | abrotman | jebstark_: intel does not sell a 1729.681 cpu .. and centrino is a chipset .. |
| 03:15.03 | vieira2 | If such includes commercial apps or not, I don't care. |
| 03:15.04 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: it's still GNU/Linux |
| 03:15.08 | markybob | Cyorxamp: being commerican != non-gnu |
| 03:15.24 | markybob | s/commerican/commercial |
| 03:15.30 | kspath | Cyorxamp: Anyone is free to use GNU software and Linux. |
| 03:15.32 | Cyorxamp | I know the kernel itself is GNU, I am on about the whole package |
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| 03:15.50 | abrotman | bah .. land of the tards tonight |
| 03:15.54 | markybob | Cyorxamp: dude, you think every package in debian is gnu? even gaim? |
| 03:16.01 | dvs | abrotman: Hey! |
| 03:16.02 | Cyorxamp | mandriva/ubuntu/fedora for example are strickly all gnu out of the box |
| 03:16.10 | vieira2 | Cyorxamp: wrong again... Linux is not GNU |
| 03:16.15 | vieira2 | no they are not |
| 03:16.18 | markybob | abrotman: apparently we need to start smoking some serious weed to fit in |
| 03:16.20 | vieira2 | neither debian |
| 03:16.34 | kspath | Cyorxamp: Where are you getting this "information" ? |
| 03:16.34 | vieira2 | Jeez! It even redistributes non-free software |
| 03:16.37 | Cyorxamp | then how is it GNU/Linux ? |
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| 03:16.40 | vieira2 | hence the non-free session |
| 03:16.47 | vieira2 | section |
| 03:16.48 | vieira2 | sorry |
| 03:16.55 | vieira2 | blah, whatever |
| 03:16.56 | markybob | Cyorxamp: c'mon. really. go google first, then come back if you have any questions |
| 03:17.32 | Cyorxamp | I think ur all either misunderstanding me or talking bollox |
| 03:17.40 | abrotman | !ur |
| 03:17.40 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 03:17.43 | abrotman | bullocks |
| 03:17.49 | kspath | heheh |
| 03:17.49 | markybob | Cyorxamp: yes. there are ten people going against you because we're all idiots and you're a genius. |
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| 03:18.03 | vieira2 | ditto |
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| 03:18.14 | valdyn | Cyorxamp: you are saying gnu where you mean 'free software' or 'gpl licensed'. |
| 03:18.19 | Nopalin | vieira2: bye man, nice to talk with you |
| 03:18.20 | markybob | kids these days |
| 03:18.36 | vieira2 | Nopalin: bye, nice talking to you to |
| 03:18.39 | valdyn | Cyorxamp: but even with that correction you are wrong i think |
| 03:18.44 | vieira2 | I hate when this happens |
| 03:18.51 | markybob | where's greycat when you need 'em to get rid of someone? ;) |
| 03:19.02 | abrotman | /invite greycat #debian |
| 03:19.12 | kspath | omg |
| 03:19.16 | jebstark_ | abrot: its 1729 mhz! |
| 03:19.25 | abrotman | it is not |
| 03:19.39 | abrotman | jebstark_: apt-cache search kernel image 2.6 686 .. install that .. be happy |
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| 03:20.45 | vieira2 | Cyorxamp: there are plenty (well, may be not that many, but...) of non-free packages being distributed in .deb format, it that's what you're asking |
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| 03:21.00 | markybob | abrotman: good luck. i'm outta here |
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| 03:21.09 | abrotman | markybob: bring back some beer! |
| 03:21.13 | markybob | abrotman: :) |
| 03:21.15 | Llamabutcher | what is the command to update firefox |
| 03:21.23 | abrotman | apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
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| 03:23.00 | kspath | save the Llamas! |
| 03:23.28 | sandman | .. |
| 03:24.44 | vieira2 | python is nice... |
| 03:24.55 | vieira2 | llamas taste good :) |
| 03:26.41 | kspath | pythons can not carry stuff but Llamas can and they can make ok hides for warmth. Python not so good for keeping warm. |
| 03:27.26 | abrotman | go google for the picture of the python/boa eating the croc |
| 03:27.32 | vieira2 | Python is good for programming :P |
| 03:27.32 | abrotman | erm .. alligator |
| 03:28.06 | vieira2 | llamas have a carrying capacity of 25kg (less tha a human) |
| 03:28.08 | kspath | Perl Objects, Ref, Mod has a nice Llama on the cover |
| 03:28.26 | abrotman | vieira2: kspath http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2005/10/06/mn_gator_python_19y45.jpg |
| 03:28.41 | kspath | vieira2: and? that is why you have 5 carrying your stuff so you do not have to. |
| 03:28.45 | vieira2 | we can't use their milk either |
| 03:29.02 | vieira2 | kspath: or you have one donkey... |
| 03:29.10 | ootput | hi guys, are there any music apps (console-based) that supports both flac and apes? |
| 03:29.20 | kspath | apes? |
| 03:29.30 | vieira2 | /join #llamas_vs_python |
| 03:29.34 | ootput | Monkey Audio, kspath |
| 03:29.39 | vieira2 | hahaha |
| 03:29.41 | abrotman | come on .. the picture is great! |
| 03:29.44 | ootput | another lossless compression scheme |
| 03:29.58 | kspath | hmm, I am out of touch. |
| 03:30.05 | abrotman | old fart! |
| 03:30.11 | ootput | untouchable |
| 03:30.12 | vieira2 | You can use Python to control a milking "factory" |
| 03:30.19 | kspath | ootput: did you create the ion3 theme ootput? |
| 03:30.28 | ootput | kspath: yep :) |
| 03:30.33 | kspath | I like it very much! |
| 03:30.57 | ootput | splendid huh? |
| 03:31.05 | abrotman | freaks! |
| 03:31.16 | kspath | !ion3_smite abrotman |
| 03:31.25 | vieira2 | abrotman: where does the python begin and the alligator ends? |
| 03:31.58 | liable | its a fucking big snake, by anyones measurement.. |
| 03:32.06 | abrotman | vieira2: you can't tell? |
| 03:32.32 | abrotman | vieira2: can you see the alligator leg? |
| 03:32.37 | vieira2 | no can't. why would I ask if I could? |
| 03:32.41 | vieira2 | yes... |
| 03:32.52 | vieira2 | but where's the python's head? |
| 03:32.55 | abrotman | vieira2: that's roughly where the snack kicks in . |
| 03:32.55 | kspath | ootput: I am not find any really important/useful applications that do not work with ion3. Some like gimp sometimes require help or just some slight adjustment. |
| 03:32.58 | abrotman | vieira2: can't see it in the shot |
| 03:32.59 | m1ke_l | debian with xdm....when i log in how does it determine with WM to use? |
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| 03:33.17 | abrotman | vieira2: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/news/archive/2005/10/05/national/a124031D68.DTL&o=0 .. 13 ft python :) |
| 03:33.36 | mosty | m1ke_l: either the system wide xsession file, or ~/.xsession ? |
| 03:33.48 | ootput | kspath: yeah, gimp is possibly the hardest, and even then, only a standard kludge is required to make it behave properly |
| 03:34.02 | vieira2 | abrotman: I can't tell anyway... but I'll take your word for it |
| 03:34.06 | ootput | <3 floatingWS |
| 03:34.21 | abrotman | vieira2: it's disturbing no matter what :) |
| 03:34.35 | vieira2 | OOOOOHHHH!! |
| 03:34.38 | m1ke_l | i don't have an .xsession in ~/ so where is system wide one? |
| 03:34.41 | vieira2 | epiphany! |
| 03:34.51 | vieira2 | The description makes all the difference! |
| 03:34.53 | abrotman | vieira2: see it now ? |
| 03:34.58 | vieira2 | It EXPLODED, oh my! |
| 03:35.11 | kspath | hehehe |
| 03:35.27 | kspath | that is an Alpaca on the cover of Perl Objects, Ref, Mod. |
| 03:35.33 | abrotman | I do zat do zee vomen all zee time |
| 03:35.42 | ootput | kspath: but then again, i usually only work with ncurses-based apps in terminals (in my screenshots,) so my layout will not get overly complicated :) |
| 03:35.46 | vieira2 | kspath: can you tell the difference? |
| 03:35.48 | kspath | I should have noticed it had a short neck and head |
| 03:35.57 | mosty | m1ke_l: "locate Xsession" |
| 03:36.09 | m1ke_l | locating now.....beep beep bepp |
| 03:36.15 | vieira2 | I've seen both and still won't tell each from the other |
| 03:36.19 | kspath | vieira2: yes, it is usually easy to tell unless it is a young Llama with some Alpaca. |
| 03:36.40 | vieira2 | The Guanacos and Vicuñas are easy... |
| 03:36.54 | vieira2 | I was just going to say that "the alpaca looks a young llama"... |
| 03:36.54 | m1ke_l | ok...neither of those contain "fluxbox" |
| 03:37.01 | kspath | ootput: Yeah, I use irssi, centericq, vim, aterm, .... |
| 03:37.15 | vieira2 | How do you tell an alpaca is not just a young llama? |
| 03:37.31 | ootput | kspath: nice combination :) I used to use centericq as well before I discovered bitlbee |
| 03:37.50 | kspath | bitlbee, hmmm |
| 03:38.12 | ootput | kspath: an im->irc gateway that I use with irssi |
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| 03:38.32 | kspath | interesting |
| 03:38.45 | ootput | it has a pretty loyal following |
| 03:39.19 | liable | bitltbee is pretty cool. |
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| 03:40.34 | kspath | I like the idea of all that kind of communications being grouped but I also like keeping separate. I love the tabs/frames names in ion3 which allow for easy separation/organization. Like if I have an office irc that is private and a public irc frame and a separate messing frame |
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| 03:41.54 | ootput | yeah, i name my terminals accordingly. Also, since I'm a big 'screen' fan, I devised a simple script to manage/create urxvt's with screen sessions. |
| 03:42.20 | gteppel | I want to run a script whenever my ip address changes, how do I do this? I was thinking it probably involves my dhcp client. Any ideas? |
| 03:42.32 | kspath | you really like rxvt-unicode? |
| 03:42.41 | ootput | kspath: i couldn't do without ;) |
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| 03:43.08 | mosty | gteppel: read the manpage for your dhcp client. dhclient has a hooks directory somewhere, full of scripts, i think |
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| 03:43.13 | gteppel | ok |
| 03:43.14 | gteppel | thanks |
| 03:43.17 | ootput | fire up a daemon, and launch the clients for your viewing pleasure |
| 03:43.20 | abrotman | gteppel: write a script to run every minute or so .. check to see if your IP has changed |
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| 03:43.36 | britt_ | how do i reconfigure the Xserver for a different card type |
| 03:43.41 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 03:43.41 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:43.56 | britt_ | thx |
| 03:44.03 | vieira2 | bye all |
| 03:44.10 | vieira2 | good night |
| 03:44.11 | kspath | abrotman: everytime I tell someone that they tell me they want something more elegant and then they give me a break down of reasons.... |
| 03:44.35 | liable | britt_: what do you need this for? (there might be an app that does it..) |
| 03:44.37 | abrotman | kspath: tell them what? |
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| 03:44.47 | kspath | abrotman: cron every N minutes. |
| 03:44.49 | mtellez | Hi, I have an ati radeon 9250, and I want to install the 3D drivers, but fglrx-driver needs an xserver-xorg version < 6.8 and I have and 6.9 version, how can I downgrade xserver-xorg? |
| 03:44.54 | abrotman | kspath: oh .. i suppose |
| 03:45.13 | abrotman | mtellez: that doesn't seem right .. did you ask #ati if they would work? or #xorg ? |
| 03:45.30 | abrotman | mtellez: actually .. you don't need the ati drivers anyways |
| 03:45.34 | kspath | abrotman: What I love about that is that they sometimes spend more time telling me why they do not want to do that than looking into solutions of just doing it the cron way for now. |
| 03:45.46 | abrotman | agreed! |
| 03:46.06 | abrotman | mtellez: the drivers already in x.org 6.9 should give you accelerated 3d |
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| 03:46.44 | mtellez | abrotman, mhhh, let me see. I was reading "ATI Linux driver packages for Debian |
| 03:46.44 | mtellez | " |
| 03:46.55 | kspath | rxvt-unicode fans used acme or sam from plan9 yet? |
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| 03:47.01 | abrotman | mtellez: yeah .. but you have a 9250 .. the radeon driver should still work |
| 03:47.28 | mtellez | ok, thanks a lot, I'll try this right now :-) |
| 03:47.47 | ootput | I used acme briefly while on WmII |
| 03:48.06 | ootput | i can't remember which term i was using though (it was somebody else's system) |
| 03:48.10 | kspath | I tried wmii a bit but I did not appreciate it much. |
| 03:48.22 | kspath | ootput: 9term? |
| 03:48.24 | ootput | it'd be nice if it wasn't so horrendous :) |
| 03:48.36 | ootput | kspath: i'm not sure |
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| 03:48.48 | Supaplex | if my cpu is spec for 1.65v and it's seeing up to 1.71v, isn't that too much? |
| 03:48.49 | ootput | i like a lot of the plan9 ideas |
| 03:49.05 | abrotman | Supaplex: check the docs on the CPU .. hth would #debian know? |
| 03:49.27 | ootput | Supaplex: no, it could depend on the motherboard (undervolt/overvolt,) but this isn't the best place to ask |
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| 03:50.11 | deadcat | hmm. the growisofs command didnt seem to work. |
| 03:50.31 | deadcat | lets see how many dvd i am gonna fuck before it works. |
| 03:50.51 | abrotman | use a DVDRW ? |
| 03:50.55 | deadcat | dont have |
| 03:51.01 | deadcat | only 25 dvd+r from frys |
| 03:51.37 | abrotman | so go buy one |
| 03:51.38 | abrotman | jeez |
| 03:52.09 | ootput | I have a phobia of re-writeable media |
| 03:52.18 | deadcat | what about a dry-run option? |
| 03:52.18 | ootput | It never seems to feel quite right |
| 03:52.24 | britt_ | okay i have a AGP card, and when i enter X the screen goes blank but its still awake, and even if it Ctrl+alt+backspace outta it its still blank. I chose "vesa" in the menu? should i try something else? |
| 03:53.01 | abrotman | depends on your card |
| 03:53.33 | kspath | deadcat: you sure your drive supports both +R and -R I would hope so but I thought I should mention that. |
| 03:53.39 | Dewi | what's the applet that helps me configure the symlinks to /etc/init.d ? |
| 03:53.40 | yggdrasil | can somone help me im trying to ./configure but i get C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check .. |
| 03:53.46 | Dewi | you know, full screen terminal type deal |
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| 03:54.00 | mosty | yggdrasil: apt-get install build-essential |
| 03:54.09 | deadcat | kspath: just +r no -R |
| 03:54.10 | yggdrasil | thanks mosty |
| 03:54.13 | britt_ | abrotman: s3 virge i think |
| 03:54.21 | Dewi | oh, I think it's rcconf. Never mind. |
| 03:54.39 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 03:54.39 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 03:54.41 | deadcat | kspath: weird. -Z /dev/dvd=blah.iso seems working.. but -Z /dev/dvd blah.iso dont work... |
| 03:55.29 | britt_ | abrotman: thx |
| 03:56.50 | abrotman | britt_: maybe try the virge driver? |
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| 03:57.13 | systemadmin | what program list devices such as cdroms and harddrives |
| 03:57.20 | abrotman | hwinfo |
| 03:57.54 | kspath | lsusb |
| 03:58.09 | yggdrasil | mosty im getting some packages could not be installed ... long message and some depencies listed |
| 03:58.17 | abrotman | kspath: how does lsusb do that? |
| 03:58.29 | mosty | yggdrasil: first, apt-get update |
| 03:58.48 | yggdrasil | kk |
| 03:58.58 | Llamabutcher | what is the command to upgrade firefox so that i can use a specific firefox extension that will allow me to upload things to my gmail account |
| 03:59.10 | abrotman | i god damn told you already |
| 03:59.39 | kspath | abrotman: heheh I expected to see my plextor ext DVD everything but RAM drive |
| 03:59.41 | centrx | Llamabutcher, you mean you want to download new extensions? |
| 03:59.41 | yggdrasil | mosty same thing... this is dsl linux |
| 03:59.48 | Llamabutcher | centrx, yes |
| 03:59.52 | Llamabutcher | abrotman: i did the upgrade |
| 03:59.54 | mosty | yggdrasil: wtf are you asking in #debian for then? |
| 03:59.58 | Llamabutcher | but i need to know how to get the extensions |
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| 04:00.05 | britt_ | its actually a sis card |
| 04:00.10 | abrotman | Llamabutcher: use the "Get Extensions" ? |
| 04:00.14 | centrx | Llamabutcher, go to Tools->Extensions and there is a link in that window that says "Get New Extensions" |
| 04:00.19 | yggdrasil | mosty sorry , thought itwas the same.. |
| 04:00.22 | yggdrasil | im atard |
| 04:00.25 | centrx | Llamabutcher, you can also access them somewhere from the mozilla website |
| 04:00.33 | centrx | Llamabutcher, which is where that link takes you |
| 04:00.42 | mosty | yggdrasil: no it's quite different |
| 04:00.54 | Llamabutcher | i can find and download the tar file, but i dont know the command to unpack it and install them to firefox... |
| 04:01.13 | kspath | abrotman: hehehe even more amusing. My plextor ext DVD R+/R-/RW has both firewire and USB2 and it is connected via firewire now and I forgot that. |
| 04:01.16 | abrotman | !d-i yggdrasil |
| 04:01.17 | dpkg | yggdrasil, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:01.24 | Llamabutcher | also, i need to just update to the newest version which is 1.5 and i have 1.0 |
| 04:01.33 | Llamabutcher | there has to be an apt-get command to do it, and i did the upgrade |
| 04:01.36 | abrotman | !punish kspath |
| 04:01.45 | yggdrasil | yes gentlemen i have seen the error of my ways |
| 04:01.55 | yggdrasil | i shall comply immediatly |
| 04:02.01 | mosty | Llamabutcher: there is no apt-get command for firefox extensions. you have to use firefox to do that |
| 04:02.03 | abrotman | Llamabutcher: you'll have to upgrade to unstable .. which will of course break other things |
| 04:02.30 | Llamabutcher | there isnt a simple command to just update firefox as a whole to its newest version? |
| 04:02.55 | centrx | Llamabutcher, if you are using the stable release of Debian, you have 1.0.7, if you want 1.5 you can use an unofficial repository to update firefox to that version |
| 04:03.01 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 04:03.09 | kspath | abrotman: yeah it shows my plextor drive via lsusb |
| 04:03.10 | Llamabutcher | i am using the testing version |
| 04:03.13 | mosty | Llamabutcher: sure there is. but not firefox extensions, since they aren't part of firefox |
| 04:03.14 | Llamabutcher | i just did the netinstall of etch |
| 04:03.19 | abrotman | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/f/firefox/ |
| 04:03.35 | ootput | abrotman: you just castrated the poor fella for no reason |
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| 04:03.42 | Llamabutcher | i am not worried about the extensions right now, i am just worried about updating mozilla to its newest version |
| 04:03.43 | abrotman | Llamabutcher: what guy? |
| 04:03.48 | britt_ | woah |
| 04:03.52 | ootput | well, sentenced him to castration |
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| 04:03.58 | abrotman | ootput: why? |
| 04:04.00 | Llamabutcher | abrotman: is that something i should add to my sources.list |
| 04:04.03 | mosty | Llamabutcher: apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade <- that is it |
| 04:04.05 | britt_ | what does "video card's bus identifier" mean |
| 04:04.07 | abrotman | Llamabutcher: not really |
| 04:04.11 | yggdrasil | hello trappist :) |
| 04:04.14 | abrotman | britt_: leave it blank |
| 04:04.20 | trappist | heya yggdrasil |
| 04:04.35 | centrx | Llamabutcher, because testing/etch is currently in a state of transition, firefox is not in testing right now, so you have to download it from somewhere, you can download |
| 04:04.43 | kspath | abrotman: should I connect my two external hd enclosures via usb2.0 and see if lsusb shows them now? |
| 04:04.46 | Daveman | howdy, abrotman |
| 04:04.49 | Llamabutcher | okay, well how do i update to sid |
| 04:04.58 | abrotman | centrx: yes it is |
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| 04:05.04 | abrotman | kspath: do eet! |
| 04:05.08 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 04:05.15 | abrotman | Llamabutcher: you don't |
| 04:05.23 | trappist | what do you do in a source directory with no configure script and no Makefile, just a Makefile.am? |
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| 04:05.29 | efaistos | Llamabutcher, you edit your sources.list and your change stable or testing by unstable :) |
| 04:05.37 | abrotman | efaistos: DON'T DO THAT |
| 04:05.49 | abrotman | why are people so fucking stupid |
| 04:05.53 | centrx | abrotman, not according to http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=firefox or my local repository |
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| 04:06.09 | abrotman | centrx: firefox != mozilla-firefox |
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| 04:06.14 | efaistos | abrotman, he was asking so I answered what's your problem |
| 04:06.21 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox etch |
| 04:06.28 | britt_ | abrotman: thx. it works now |
| 04:06.28 | abrotman | efaistos: will you be here to fix it when it breaks? |
| 04:06.34 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-1 (etch), Packaged size: 7444 kB, Installed size: 21016 kB |
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| 04:06.38 | Llamabutcher | i have all the respositories in my sources list to get whatever i need |
| 04:06.41 | efaistos | abrotman, why not :) |
| 04:06.47 | abrotman | efaistos: bullshit .. |
| 04:06.56 | Llamabutcher | but what is the exact command apt-get update mozilla? what do i have to do? i already did the dist upgrade and updates |
| 04:06.58 | ootput | efaistos: it's problematic at best |
| 04:07.06 | abrotman | Llamabutcher: everytime your system has a problem .. email efaistos .. he's your personal tech support bitch now |
| 04:07.10 | efaistos | abrotman, you're always like that ... àor maybe your wife is pissing you off ? |
| 04:07.24 | Llamabutcher | dont be bitter man |
| 04:07.25 | abrotman | efaistos: maybe your wife bit down while giving me head .. |
| 04:07.29 | Llamabutcher | because you know more about debian |
| 04:07.29 | Llamabutcher | wow |
| 04:07.30 | britt_ | Llamabutcher: its included in apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:07.33 | Llamabutcher | give you a fucking medal |
| 04:07.48 | centrx | Llamabutcher, apt-get update && apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 04:07.51 | Llamabutcher | do i have to reboot for that upgrade to take effect? |
| 04:07.53 | Llamabutcher | i thought i didnt have too |
| 04:07.55 | britt_ | Llamabutcher: so run that command and it should update anything that needs to be updated |
| 04:07.56 | efaistos | nope |
| 04:07.57 | ootput | no, this is linux |
| 04:08.10 | centrx | Llamabutcher, you do not have to reboot to upgrade firefox |
| 04:08.18 | ootput | you could always reboot to boot into a rescue live-cd |
| 04:08.31 | abrotman | really .. the backport is easier |
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| 04:08.47 | Llamabutcher | centrx, if i have the tar.gz file downloaded, what do i do to unpack it and apply it to firefox |
| 04:08.49 | systemadmin | ok i have a dvd write + read and it is /dev/sr0 what do i have to do to play a dvd? |
| 04:09.03 | Labatt14 | I run firefox 1.5 in etch, Simply download firefox from mozilla.org. works for me. |
| 04:09.07 | centrx | Llamabutcher, you mean the extension? if you download an extension from within firefox it will install it from there |
| 04:09.29 | ootput | Llamabutcher: firefox update? the tarball contains the binary needed to use firefox |
| 04:09.31 | abrotman | centrx: he means the installer from mozilla.org i think .. extentions come in .xpi |
| 04:09.53 | britt_ | okay, to switch the default X session to fluxbox, i edit a file called .Xsessions? |
| 04:09.59 | centrx | Labatt14, it works except it leaves all sorts of files around your system, is not upgraded, etc. |
| 04:10.02 | ootput | britt_: or .xinitrc |
| 04:10.27 | ootput | britt_: oh sorry, are you using a dm such as kdm or gdm or (gasp) xdm? |
| 04:10.37 | britt_ | no |
| 04:10.45 | britt_ | ootput: i disabled that |
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| 04:10.53 | ootput | good man |
| 04:11.01 | Llamabutcher | centrx, i know, before i get the extension i have to upgrade firefox as a whole |
| 04:11.06 | Llamabutcher | what is the command to unzip it |
| 04:11.58 | abrotman | !backport |
| 04:11.58 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 04:13.07 | britt_ | how do i configure a wifi card in console |
| 04:13.54 | centrx | Llamabutcher, it is a better idea to download the following file and install it with one command |
| 04:15.10 | centrx | uahg and i even upgraded my own firefox to make sure it would work |
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| 04:16.31 | liable | Bombo_: iwconfig |
| 04:16.45 | liable | britt_: ^^ |
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| 04:17.59 | kspath | abrotman: hmm, not all external enclosure interfaces for USB have any useful information... one gave a name and the other is blank |
| 04:18.22 | britt_ | thx |
| 04:18.30 | abrotman | kspath: stupid computer! |
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| 04:19.41 | nse | hey guys, could somebody help me to check the english of a email that I'm sending? |
| 04:20.00 | abrotman | paste it somewhere (not here |
| 04:20.02 | abrotman | ) |
| 04:20.14 | kspath | abrotman: no, me es stupido usar |
| 04:20.21 | abrotman | btw .. myspace is the creepiest fucking website |
| 04:20.32 | ootput | it's overrated to boot |
| 04:20.46 | abrotman | now i remember why i don't live in the town i grew up in |
| 04:20.47 | nse | abrotman: It's really short, just 3 lines |
| 04:20.54 | abrotman | ok |
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| 04:21.05 | nse | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.05 | nse | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.17 | ootput | about in |
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| 04:21.29 | ootput | Does this mean |
| 04:21.31 | abrotman | The website you gave me in your last email states that: |
| 04:21.37 | kspath | funds not founds |
| 04:21.46 | nse | yes, sound really better... |
| 04:21.54 | kspath | programme is Brit Anglish? |
| 04:21.55 | ootput | slightest chance to get a Bacholor Degree |
| 04:22.05 | ootput | University? |
| 04:22.19 | ootput | *funds |
| 04:22.21 | nse | universiteit, that's the dutch name for this... |
| 04:22.25 | abrotman | does this mean that i do not have any chance to study for a bachelor degree at <whatever> with funds obtained via a scholarship? |
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| 04:23.10 | abrotman | I have quite a bit of interest in studying at <blah> with funds from a scholarship. Is this at all possible? |
| 04:23.13 | nse | but I need to say that it's ok the language of the bachelor been dutch |
| 04:23.26 | kspath | being Dutch? |
| 04:23.39 | nse | being dutch |
| 04:23.50 | ootput | The website mentioned in your previous email states that |
| 04:24.02 | centrx | The website to which you directed me in your last e-mail states that |
| 04:24.08 | ootput | ahah, |
| 04:24.19 | kspath | nice |
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| 04:25.03 | bushito | !ati |
| 04:25.03 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 04:25.05 | kspath | programme is more Brit English but more likely to be international |
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| 04:25.22 | kspath | American Engrish for programme is program |
| 04:26.26 | nse | kspath: all the bachelor programs are in dutch |
| 04:26.26 | abrotman | i think #english also exists |
| 04:26.26 | mosty | why not write to them in dutch? |
| 04:26.30 | kspath | well maybe but as I tried to communicate incorrectly was that your programme spelling might be for correct internationally |
| 04:26.44 | kspath | s/for/more/ |
| 04:26.59 | nse | mosty: do you know dutch? |
| 04:27.07 | abrotman | !nl |
| 04:27.07 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 04:27.10 | abrotman | doh! |
| 04:27.50 | kspath | you could try babelfish but it might come out like babbling into your armpit |
| 04:28.05 | ootput | hey, it works |
| 04:28.21 | kspath | I tried it for Spanish and Portugese and things and the translations were WRONG. |
| 04:28.22 | mosty | nse: no, but i thought you would since you're planning on studying in the netherlands |
| 04:28.48 | kspath | I knew the translations to test it. What came out was odd to say the least. |
| 04:29.00 | nse | mosty: that's really a problem, I'll need to learn it! |
| 04:29.07 | kspath | foot became leg and other oddness |
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| 04:29.30 | kspath | really THE problem |
| 04:30.05 | kspath | nse: immerse yourself. Get Dutch movies with subtitles |
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| 04:30.29 | cds | Anyone know of any drivers for this? http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=96220 |
| 04:30.31 | kspath | nse: get some Dutch books and periodicals/gazette/magazines... |
| 04:30.32 | cds | Google suggests not.. |
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| 04:31.27 | mosty | it's almost impossible to learn a new language by watching movies and trying to read books in that language. get some lessons |
| 04:31.57 | kspath | nse: what I like the most is get books in the target language that you read in your native and known languages. It really helps sometimes to read it in their language to get a feel for their language in comparison to yours. |
| 04:31.59 | nse | mosty: It is not impossible! It seems to be quite easy |
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| 04:32.35 | mosty | nse, do you speak any languages similar to dutch to begin with? |
| 04:32.42 | kspath | mosty: total immersion works. That is how babies learn it. They have no preconcieved notions though and a TON of motivation. |
| 04:32.56 | nse | kspath: Yes! that's really a good idea, sometimes watching movies makes it easy to get used to the sounds of the language |
| 04:33.02 | kspath | German? Norsk? |
| 04:33.03 | mosty | kspath: movies with subtitles and books doesn't sound like immersion to me |
| 04:33.10 | nse | mosty: I don't, but I'm very interested |
| 04:33.32 | nse | mosty: so, what do you mean by immersion? |
| 04:33.38 | GPLGeek | hmm maybe #languages is where you need to go! |
| 04:34.03 | kspath | Perl, Ruby, Python, C, C++, et al ... |
| 04:34.06 | mosty | nse: spending time where all you hear is the language you want to learn, that is immersion |
| 04:34.38 | kspath | easy for me. I am immerse in Spanish or Polish in Chicago quite easy. |
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| 04:36.07 | kspath | s/am/can/ geez, I need to try that downtime thing what is that? oh sleep that is it... |
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| 04:37.15 | ootput | especially Polish in Chicago |
| 04:37.15 | nse | abrotman: " I have quite a bit of interest in studying at <blah> with funds from a scholarship. Is this at all possible?" I need to say that it's ok the language being dutch, and I need to be really formal, could you rewrite it for me, please? |
| 04:37.28 | ootput | I lived there for 5 years myself |
| 04:37.33 | abrotman | nse: in dutch ? |
| 04:37.46 | nse | abrotman: no of course, in english |
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| 04:38.13 | abrotman | nse: you want to say that it will be acceptable that all your classes are in dutch ? |
| 04:38.50 | nse | abrotman: sure! that's all they have! in the netherlands people speak dutch |
| 04:39.16 | abrotman | nse: do you speak dutch ? |
| 04:39.35 | nse | abrotman: not now, but soon. I'm sure. |
| 04:39.35 | kspath | ootput: spanish is huge now also. 3+ FM stations and 3 extended cable spanish stations |
| 04:39.39 | abrotman | erm . ok |
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| 04:40.28 | nse | abrotman: read the orginal letter above, get the idea |
| 04:40.41 | GPLGeek | The hardest part of learning spanish is not having many people to practice with vocally. Pero yo hablo espa |
| 04:40.58 | GPLGeek | bah, stupid popup |
| 04:40.58 | abrotman | nse: say something like "I understand and accept that the majority of my coursework will be in Dutch, and I am ok with this." .. though that's not worded very well |
| 04:41.01 | abrotman | kspath: help! |
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| 04:41.26 | abrotman | kspath: ignore screaming kids .. help nse |
| 04:41.28 | nse | abrotman: no! all I need is to put a word "Ducth" there! |
| 04:41.46 | abrotman | nse: huh? |
| 04:41.58 | kspath | ? kids? I killed them. They talked back too much. |
| 04:42.05 | nse | abrotman: she already knows that I know about the language of instructions of the programme |
| 04:42.26 | abrotman | nse: ok .. then i'm confused |
| 04:42.37 | nse | abrotman: give me a sec |
| 04:43.03 | kspath | nse: We already helped you a lot. some people gave you GREAT ways to rewrite the sentences. |
| 04:44.14 | kspath | abrotman: I do not have plural children. I had to kill -HUP some and they failed to restart. Design flaws you know. |
| 04:44.26 | nse | kspath: ok, I only need the last help... |
| 04:44.31 | kspath | abrotman: fast forward to 2010 |
| 04:44.49 | nse | I would with great interest study at Vrije Universiteit with funds from a scholarship, aiming for a bachelor degree in Dutch. Could that be made possible? - is this making sense? |
| 04:45.08 | kspath | no |
| 04:45.20 | mosty | nse: that sounds like you want a degree with dutch as the subject |
| 04:45.30 | nse | hm... |
| 04:45.37 | abrotman | because we all know you'll really be studying hookers and pot |
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| 04:45.54 | kspath | hash man |
| 04:46.01 | kspath | get the hash |
| 04:46.05 | GPLGeek | I would love to study at Vrije University with beer funded by my scholarship, aiming for a DUI in Dutch. |
| 04:46.09 | nse | that's exactly the point I was discussing with abrotman, where to put the "Ducth" |
| 04:46.24 | nse | great GPLGeek |
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| 04:46.26 | beered | I'm compiling latest 2.6.14.6 stable. do i need to kpkg modules_image with 2.6? |
| 04:46.33 | kspath | Do they not shoot people for DUI in NL? |
| 04:46.44 | bushito | is there a way to force fglrx to install on xorg 6.9? =P |
| 04:46.53 | abrotman | i would with great interest study at <place>, with classwork in Dutch, with funds from a scholarshit .... |
| 04:46.57 | abrotman | erm .. ship |
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| 04:48.03 | kspath | nite |
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| 04:48.47 | Nurbs | I'd just use german *g* |
| 04:48.58 | ootput | kspath: hehe, yeah. Spanish is definitely big in Houston (my last address in the U.S.) so there's no trouble immersing yourself in it there. |
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| 04:49.39 | nse | e eu sei falar português, which is close to spanish |
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| 04:52.30 | kspath | when I see or hear portugese I wonder if it is really closer to spanish than say italian |
| 04:53.23 | nse | for portuguese people, spanish is closer than italian |
| 04:53.43 | kspath | What do the Mexicans and/or Spaniards think I wonder. |
| 04:53.58 | nse | but for non-portuguese, spanish and italian sounds really closer |
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| 04:54.40 | kspath | I can tell the difference between Spanish and Italian quite easily. At least American Spanish. |
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| 04:55.07 | kspath | Spanish from Spain is different enough that I have to have people repeat stuff. |
| 04:55.30 | NaufraGo | wich is the best ftp client for debian, I mean.. to access ftp and move files |
| 04:55.37 | kspath | I wonder if Brazilians can appreciate Portugal Portugese? |
| 04:55.43 | NaufraGo | upload and download |
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| 04:56.01 | kspath | sftp |
| 04:56.24 | britt_ | whats the proper way to lcoate a file, then pipe it to 'rm' to delete the resulting output |
| 04:56.25 | nse | kspath: yes they can, but not the same way american can appreciate british |
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| 04:56.56 | kspath | britt_ that is danerous, find can do it but be careful with regex |
| 04:56.57 | NaufraGo | r u sure? |
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| 04:57.17 | iceloki | hi, I missed to configure mouse at setup so X does not start. Is there andy idea to recofigure the mouse juset like type 'setup' at redhat system? |
| 04:57.23 | britt_ | kspath: why is it dangerous? |
| 04:57.29 | britt_ | i'm deleting my *.m4a files |
| 04:57.49 | kspath | britt_ well I guess you have never made a mistake |
| 04:57.54 | angelo | ok if I type "echo "test" > /dev/lp0" my priter should print test right ?? if it`s on lpt port 1 ? |
| 04:58.20 | britt_ | kspath: who pissed in your cornflakes. I'm asking what dangers ARE There |
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| 04:59.04 | goss | salut a tous |
| 04:59.13 | kspath | britt_ I am not being pissy. rm is the danger if you use regex to match something and you fail to do your regex correctly you can remove things you might not want to lose |
| 04:59.13 | nse | britt: take a look in here: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_03_03.html look at section 3.3.3.3 |
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| 04:59.32 | britt_ | kspath: okay, what if i moved it to another folder |
| 04:59.43 | britt_ | kspath: would that ease tensions? |
| 04:59.55 | BlueLaguna|Lap | how do I install unrar from apt-get? |
| 05:00.13 | BlueLaguna|Lap | Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 05:00.13 | BlueLaguna|Lap | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 05:00.14 | BlueLaguna|Lap | is only available from another source |
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| 05:00.21 | kspath | britt_ directory? there is no tension. find can work in conjunction with rm or just rm with regex it is up to you. |
| 05:00.25 | flexo | hi, i have a few [loop?] processes which resulted from some iso-mounting-tries, now.. how do i get rid of them? |
| 05:00.26 | liable | !drxx iceloki |
| 05:00.26 | dpkg | iceloki: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:00.32 | BlueLaguna|Lap | generally it would tell me which package countains it, but it didn't this time |
| 05:00.39 | BlueLaguna|Lap | sorry for all those lines by the way |
| 05:00.40 | NaufraGo | I couldn't install sftp by apt-get.. because sftp is obselete |
| 05:00.49 | sigma | BlueLaguna|Lap: rar |
| 05:00.51 | britt_ | whats the diff. between find and locate? |
| 05:00.57 | NaufraGo | is there any other good ftp client? |
| 05:01.07 | BlueLaguna|Lap | sigma: I've already tried apt-get install rar, same message |
| 05:01.19 | flexo | britt_: locate uses a database build by updatedb, find crawls the directory everytime you call it |
| 05:01.21 | nse | NaufraGo: tem sim, pega o gFTP |
| 05:01.34 | sigma | BlueLaguna|Lap: package rar is not available on your source? |
| 05:01.36 | kspath | britt_ you will want to read about find and locate. There are plenty of tutorials on find out there. |
| 05:01.37 | britt_ | flexo: i keep locate updated |
| 05:01.55 | britt_ | flexo: if rm does recursive directory stuff, then i'm set |
| 05:02.01 | flexo | rm -R does |
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| 05:02.06 | BlueLaguna|Lap | sigma: Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 05:02.10 | britt_ | wow. |
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| 05:02.11 | BlueLaguna|Lap | etc, etc |
| 05:02.15 | sigma | britt_: man find, man locate |
| 05:02.19 | flexo | man rm :) |
| 05:02.35 | kspath | britt_ have you ever read a man page about rm or locate or find? |
| 05:02.37 | liable | !info rar |
| 05:02.39 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 416 kB |
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| 05:02.45 | sigma | BlueLaguna|Lap: rar is non-free, have you added it in sources.list? |
| 05:02.53 | britt_ | kspath: yes i have. |
| 05:02.54 | liable | BlueLaguna|Lap: non-free section |
| 05:03.30 | BlueLaguna|Lap | bbl |
| 05:03.35 | NaufraGo | what about kftp? |
| 05:03.48 | liable | NaufraGo: try it.. |
| 05:04.11 | kspath | britt_ if you read about rm and locate and find assuming you understood it all than all you need now is a study of basic regex. Be VERY careful of unintended whitespace |
| 05:04.18 | centrx | NaufraGo, most all of these programs will do just fine with basic ftp functions; if you have specific requirements, then try them out |
| 05:04.33 | sigma | liable: AFAIK packing in rar is not free, but unpacking is free |
| 05:04.54 | britt_ | damnit, im not awake enough to attempt hardcore command entry |
| 05:04.57 | britt_ | thanks guys though |
| 05:04.58 | liable | sigma: yeah, there is a free unrar. |
| 05:05.00 | dn4 | Best party for Febuary 14, 2006 http://www.kanyan.com/Party%20Invites/BottomofBarrel/0.html |
| 05:05.23 | liable | sigma: but it doesnt do the latest rar |
| 05:05.25 | sigma | liable: no, I mean rar in generall, not only in linux |
| 05:06.02 | kspath | britt_ even if you know regex well it is best to be alert/awake when using rm with regex. TRUST ME. |
| 05:06.35 | sigma | .oO (rm -rf \/) |
| 05:06.41 | britt_ | kspath: thanks for the tip. |
| 05:07.06 | britt_ | sigma: lol, someone ssh'd into my box and did that on my laptop |
| 05:07.09 | britt_ | it sucked |
| 05:07.29 | britt_ | i gave them my root passwd, cause i thought i could trust him |
| 05:07.37 | kspath | britt_: When you find a directory/path that needs cleaning of particular files sometimes it is best to write yourself a script to make sure that it is always done right. |
| 05:07.53 | sigma | next ime block ssh port, notebooks usualy dont need it |
| 05:08.01 | sigma | +t |
| 05:08.05 | kspath | britt_ one mistake in a regex can make a WORLD of difference. |
| 05:08.09 | britt_ | kspath: deal is that its a music dir, with the artists and songs in different dir's |
| 05:08.19 | flexo | if you don't need ssh don't block the port, shutdown the sshd. o.o |
| 05:08.45 | sigma | WORLD of difference like rm -rf \U\S\A? |
| 05:08.57 | britt_ | sigma: lol, i kept my mouth shut and used good passwords. |
| 05:10.16 | kspath | sigma: I usually type rm-rf in irc to avoid anything happening to/with anyone and their copy buffers |
| 05:11.53 | sigma | kspath: person managed to install debian, go online and handle irc would know the meaning of rm. |
| 05:12.00 | SerajewelKS | hrm, X.org randomly segfaulted while i was away from my computer |
| 05:12.21 | centrx | i didn't do it |
| 05:12.31 | kspath | sigma: you are assuming they installed debian and you are assuming a lot of other things as well |
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| 05:13.05 | kspath | SerajewelKS: randomly? |
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| 05:14.08 | kspath | SerajewelKS: randomly in relation to time? circumstances? applications running in X? |
| 05:14.44 | jeffrin | hello |
| 05:14.53 | jeffrin | i have problems with gnokii |
| 05:15.08 | SerajewelKS | kspath: i was out of my room, when i came back it was on the kdm login screen |
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| 05:15.18 | SerajewelKS | kspath: according to Xorg.0.log.old, it received signal 11 |
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| 05:15.29 | jeffrin | i have USB dongle for IrDA |
| 05:15.38 | jeffrin | /dev/ttyUSB) |
| 05:15.41 | jeffrin | /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 05:15.43 | SerajewelKS | kspath: i thought maybe someone came in my room and logged me off, but i don't think anyone on my floor is smart enough to know what signal 11 is ;) |
| 05:15.57 | kspath | hehehe |
| 05:16.08 | jeffrin | can someone help me configure gnokiirc |
| 05:16.31 | kspath | gnokii - Datasuite for mobile phones console and X |
| 05:17.02 | kspath | guessing by the name for Nokia? |
| 05:17.06 | SerajewelKS | jeffrin: man gnokiirc #? |
| 05:17.59 | SerajewelKS | kspath: i wish the X.org log put datetime stamps in |
| 05:19.19 | kspath | hehehe I never noticed that it did not. One of those things you only notice when you want/need it. |
| 05:19.52 | kspath | SerajewelKS there is no option to have it use timestamps or use syslog? |
| 05:20.33 | SerajewelKS | kspath: unlikely.. at least the mtime is a clue |
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| 05:21.47 | britt_ | what package do i need to get naim to compile? |
| 05:22.01 | britt_ | isnt it like ncurses and curses |
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| 05:23.03 | kspath | SerajewelKS: -logverbose is one option. If I find others I will let you know |
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| 05:23.47 | peterS | britt_: apt-get build-dep naim |
| 05:24.09 | peterS | britt_: along with 'apt-get -b source naim', that should get you basically a duplicate of the debian package |
| 05:24.30 | SerajewelKS | kspath: just crashed again.. probably composite |
| 05:24.36 | peterS | britt_: useful if your computer has too much wasted CPU power and you want to use it for something |
| 05:24.37 | SerajewelKS | kspath: i disabled composite.. we'll see if that helps |
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| 05:26.21 | peterS | vrooom vrrooooooom |
| 05:30.02 | Daveman | Hi PeterS :) |
| 05:30.18 | peterS | Dave Man |
| 05:30.50 | Daveman | In Deed. |
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| 05:32.08 | jeffrin | thanks |
| 05:32.10 | jeffrin | bye |
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| 05:33.26 | dsotm | does anoyone know of a way to force debian to reinstall a package that is currently installed without removing and readding it? |
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| 05:34.03 | Kvantil | apt-get install --reinstall pkg-name |
| 05:34.08 | dsotm | ok |
| 05:34.10 | dsotm | thx |
| 05:34.34 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.24 | mae | when i set umask - is it persistent even through reboots? if not how can i make it -- where is this configuration made 'persistent' |
| 05:35.41 | Nurbs | mae: per user? |
| 05:36.04 | dsotm | Kvantil what about forcing it to fetch the package from sources? |
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| 05:36.23 | mae | Nurbs: for one user in a particular directory and its children |
| 05:36.34 | NaufraGo | I can't install kplayer, because apt-get doesn't find it? |
| 05:36.44 | Nurbs | mae: one can't do it per directory |
| 05:36.47 | NaufraGo | I mean, apt-get doesn't find it! |
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| 05:37.42 | Nurbs | NaufraGo: it does only come with external sources. |
| 05:38.03 | mae | Nurbs: ok per user then |
| 05:38.13 | Nurbs | !tell NaufraGo about marillat |
| 05:39.35 | Nurbs | mae: e.g. in ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile |
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| 05:39.48 | starscalling | arg |
| 05:39.53 | starscalling | question: |
| 05:39.56 | LinuxNIT-laptop- | anyone know how to crack/reset a bios passwd in a laptop? thinking of buying one thats passwd protected for really cheap |
| 05:40.13 | starscalling | is it possible to give someone sudo power on a box that can do pretty much anything but change root password? |
| 05:40.43 | starscalling | if the user was say starz how would that look in /etc/sudoers ? starz ALL=(ALL) ALL lets it happen |
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| 05:41.07 | mae | Nurbs: so something like this for instance: umask 0027 |
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| 05:42.05 | Nurbs | mae: use your shell's init files to run the umask command. see for example bash((1) |
| 05:42.06 | NaufraGo | wich is the best game for debian? :) |
| 05:42.20 | Nurbs | emacs |
| 05:42.21 | kspath | tuxpaint? |
| 05:42.32 | mae | Nurbs: i know, i'm saying i would add that line in it |
| 05:42.33 | ice_1963 | bzflag |
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| 05:42.42 | kspath | emacs is an OS/filemanager not a game |
| 05:42.44 | Nurbs | mae: yep. |
| 05:43.04 | HoppaZ | neverball is nice too |
| 05:43.50 | Nurbs | I do a lot of clear; fortune -a; echo RET C-p RET C-p RET ... |
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| 05:44.16 | jeffrin | please help me with error |
| 05:44.41 | HoppaZ | echo ERROR |
| 05:44.42 | jeffrin | friend:~# gnokii --identify |
| 05:44.43 | jeffrin | GNOKII Version 0.6.8 |
| 05:44.44 | jeffrin | connect: No route to host |
| 05:44.44 | jeffrin | Couldn't open PHONET device: No route to host |
| 05:44.44 | jeffrin | Telephone interface init failed: Command failed. |
| 05:44.44 | jeffrin | Quitting. |
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| 05:44.49 | Nurbs | :) |
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| 05:45.26 | deadcat | quitting is right (= |
| 05:45.28 | jeffrin | hello please help me |
| 05:45.29 | HoppaZ | jeffrin: could you ping the host? |
| 05:46.11 | jeffrin | do you mean irdadump |
| 05:46.27 | jeffrin | irdadump is finding the phone |
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| 05:47.41 | NaufraGo | mm |
| 05:47.47 | NaufraGo | I installed tuxkart |
| 05:47.48 | kspath | irda? infra-red? |
| 05:47.54 | NaufraGo | and it work awful |
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| 05:48.36 | ice_1963 | (.)(.) |
| 05:48.44 | NaufraGo | can anybody help me? |
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| 05:48.58 | kspath | you have an HP or Sony laptop or something with an infra-red port? maybe an IBM? |
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| 05:49.54 | kspath | NaufraGo: only advice I can give you is confirm each layer is working or not before worrying about the next. |
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| 05:50.35 | jeffrin | yes infrared |
| 05:50.42 | deadcat | my dvd is burning at: /dev/dvd: "Current Write Speed" is 6.6x1385KBps. the product desc is 16x |
| 05:50.55 | kspath | only irda device I have is my old HP48SX RPN calculator |
| 05:51.48 | kspath | oh wait, duh palm pilot also |
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| 05:52.26 | Nurbs | .oO( DVD writers, media and software suck ) |
| 05:52.51 | SerajewelKS | .oO( thought bubbles on IRC are gay ) |
| 05:52.53 | Tidus | deadcat, even though it says that the product description says 16x, a number of factors could be the cause of that. namely, your hard disk and dvd writer being in use at the same time. |
| 05:53.05 | jeffrin | can someone help me with gnokii |
| 05:53.13 | SerajewelKS | !help me |
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| 05:53.19 | SerajewelKS | bah |
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| 05:53.21 | Tidus | !helpme |
| 05:53.21 | dpkg | Please help me. I need help. I don't know who I am no more. |
| 05:53.36 | kspath | Tidus: quality of media? |
| 05:53.40 | SerajewelKS | !tell jeffrin about smart questions |
| 05:53.43 | Tidus | kspath, that could be it too |
| 05:54.02 | kspath | I like Fuji CDR and DVDR |
| 05:54.07 | Tidus | jeffrin: Unless you ask a real question, we can't really help you. |
| 05:54.17 | kspath | I have to settle for TDK for my mini-CDRs |
| 05:54.36 | deadcat | Tidus: i see... |
| 05:55.02 | Tidus | kspath, i normally use memorex for cds and dvds |
| 05:55.14 | Tidus | kspath, as long as it works, i don't really care about brand. |
| 05:56.03 | zinx | memorex hardly works |
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| 05:56.07 | zinx | horrible brand |
| 05:56.16 | Tidus | zinx, haven't failed one yet. |
| 05:56.17 | jeffrin | what os IrLAP |
| 05:56.29 | kspath | Who makes those CDRs and DVDRs that you can smash into the gravel with your boot and it will still read? |
| 05:56.30 | jeffrin | what is IrLAP ? |
| 05:56.38 | Tidus | kspath, TDK |
| 05:56.50 | Tidus | kspath, it's their armor plated line. |
| 05:56.54 | SerajewelKS | kspath: i've had very good luke with tdk |
| 05:56.59 | SerajewelKS | luck too |
| 05:57.25 | NaufraGo | uhm :( |
| 05:57.28 | kspath | I did not say I did not like TDK at all it is just that I prefer Fuji over TDK a bit. |
| 05:57.41 | NaufraGo | I've installed a game |
| 05:57.48 | NaufraGo | and it sound doesn't work |
| 05:57.49 | kspath | YAY! |
| 05:58.00 | NaufraGo | its sound.. |
| 05:58.01 | jeffrin | what is this ... "Couldn't open PHONET device" |
| 05:58.08 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: running arts/esd? |
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| 05:58.12 | NaufraGo | yes |
| 05:58.18 | NaufraGo | arts |
| 05:58.20 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: stop them |
| 05:58.28 | NaufraGo | why? |
| 05:58.35 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: do you want sound in your game? |
| 05:58.39 | NaufraGo | yes |
| 05:58.43 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: turn off arts |
| 05:58.53 | kspath | jeffrin: That is VERY specialized. You are better off googling for information or finding homepage/freshmeat/sourceforge site for it. |
| 05:59.18 | NaufraGo | the sound server you mean? |
| 05:59.35 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: YES |
| 05:59.58 | NaufraGo | I don't know how do I turn it off :S |
| 06:00.12 | SerajewelKS | god kill me now |
| 06:00.23 | NaufraGo | I'm new at this |
| 06:00.25 | NaufraGo | sorry :P |
| 06:00.44 | SerajewelKS | open control center and look around |
| 06:00.47 | kspath | SerajewelKS careful on those wishes. You never know who is listening. |
| 06:01.09 | zinx | kspath: well, God certainly is |
| 06:01.37 | kspath | zinx: atheists believe when they cut themselves shaving. |
| 06:02.00 | NaufraGo | so I turn off "Enable the sound system" ?? |
| 06:02.05 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: yes |
| 06:02.18 | NaufraGo | I don't know how much it'll help me |
| 06:02.38 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: do you get sound through KDE apps? |
| 06:02.45 | NaufraGo | yes |
| 06:02.50 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: then it will help you |
| 06:03.07 | NaufraGo | 1st.. I don't have alsa installed |
| 06:03.14 | NaufraGo | because I couldn't configure it |
| 06:03.27 | kspath | zinx: in case that did not make sense, cut themselves and then they utter an expletive like J.C.! |
| 06:03.39 | SerajewelKS | !alsa for morons |
| 06:03.40 | dpkg | well, alsa for morons is 1) remove all sound-related kernel modules 2) run alsaconf 3) disable all sound servers 4) hope, or echo -e "snd-your-module" >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 06:04.34 | NaufraGo | I tried it |
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| 06:04.55 | NaufraGo | I mean.. I did a modprobe snd-via82xx |
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| 06:04.59 | NaufraGo | and it didn't work |
| 06:05.00 | einsteinmg | morning :) |
| 06:05.07 | NaufraGo | it didn't find it |
| 06:05.07 | SerajewelKS | !doesn't work |
| 06:05.07 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 06:05.32 | NaufraGo | the module.. |
| 06:06.06 | einsteinmg | what does postfix do, during his uid/gid changes in postfix/master? |
| 06:06.18 | NaufraGo | do u understand me? |
| 06:06.22 | Nurbs | einsteinmg: only after it forked, right? |
| 06:06.24 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: sort of |
| 06:06.27 | einsteinmg | just finished my debug programm and get spammed by messages from postfix/master |
| 06:06.29 | Nurbs | einsteinmg: it drops privileges. |
| 06:06.29 | einsteinmg | Nurbs: no |
| 06:06.42 | einsteinmg | constant uid/gid changes |
| 06:06.51 | Nurbs | mhm |
| 06:06.58 | einsteinmg | i've written a small display programm for the kernel fork connector |
| 06:07.06 | NaufraGo | SerajewelKS |
| 06:07.07 | liable | NaufraGo: whats lspci say about your sound card? |
| 06:07.11 | einsteinmg | it sends fork/exec/exit/uid/gid changes to userspace |
| 06:07.15 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo |
| 06:07.15 | NaufraGo | I turned of the sound server |
| 06:07.20 | NaufraGo | off |
| 06:07.24 | NaufraGo | and now |
| 06:07.32 | NaufraGo | the game's sound works |
| 06:07.32 | einsteinmg | Nurbs: don't know either :( |
| 06:07.38 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: exactly |
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| 06:07.53 | NaufraGo | but.. I don't want to turn the sound server off when I want to play a game |
| 06:07.58 | NaufraGo | what can I do then? |
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| 06:08.03 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: set a sound server time out |
| 06:08.04 | dob2 | hi |
| 06:08.17 | NaufraGo | can you explain it? |
| 06:08.28 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: remember where you disabled the sound server? |
| 06:08.33 | NaufraGo | yes |
| 06:08.37 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: go there |
| 06:08.45 | dbe | SerajewelKS, how do I delete the row named owner after I have created it in a table: CREATE TABLE pet (name VARCHAR(20), owner VARCHAR(20)); |
| 06:08.47 | NaufraGo | ready |
| 06:08.49 | dob2 | /dev/hdb5/reiserfsdefaults00 it is right this on /etc/fstab for the root partition ? i mean defaults as option for root partition is ok? |
| 06:09.08 | NaufraGo | then? |
| 06:09.09 | liable | dob2: yes |
| 06:09.14 | SerajewelKS | dbe: why are you asking me |
| 06:09.33 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: enable it and set auto-suspend to like 5 seconds or something |
| 06:09.40 | dbe | SerajewelKS, I thought that you knew |
| 06:09.43 | liable | dob2: i dunno about reiser, but ext3 normally has an option for ro if errors |
| 06:10.01 | SerajewelKS | dbe: ALTER TABLE pet DROP owner; I don't know, rtfm. |
| 06:10.13 | SerajewelKS | dbe: that's a guess... mysql.com + google |
| 06:10.40 | deadcat | this looks slow: 1595670528/4682643456 (34.1%) @0.8x, remaining 40:56 RBU 100.0% |
| 06:10.44 | sifi-xz | SerajewelKS, you maybe remember me better this way =) |
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| 06:10.55 | sifi-xz | SerajewelKS, thx for the reply |
| 06:10.58 | dob2 | liable: yes, you have it on your /etc/fstab? |
| 06:11.02 | SerajewelKS | sifi-xz: ah yes. but i don't know exactly, i usually use phpmyadmin for designing tables. |
| 06:11.08 | liable | dob2: yes, for ext3 |
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| 06:11.41 | sifi-xz | SerajewelKS, me to, but I think it's a good habit to just use mysql, MySQL CC sucks btw as you said |
| 06:12.09 | NaufraGo | SerajewelKS: mm, now the sound server doesn't work |
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| 06:13.23 | einsteinmg | Nurbs: ok... found it, explanation is in postfix-2.2.8/src/master/master_wakeup.c:115 |
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| 06:13.28 | Nurbs | are there any tools besides SElinux that use CONFIG_AUDITSYSCALL? |
| 06:13.30 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: the sound server will enable itself when a program talks to it |
| 06:13.35 | Nurbs | einsteinmg: what is it? :) |
| 06:13.41 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: hit 'test sound' to see |
| 06:13.48 | einsteinmg | Nurbs: imho not |
| 06:14.00 | NaufraGo | I'm trying to listen to music |
| 06:14.03 | NaufraGo | but it doesn't work |
| 06:14.14 | einsteinmg | Countermeasures if someone compromises the postfix account |
| 06:14.18 | NaufraGo | I hit test sound, and it doesn't work |
| 06:14.31 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: is the game still running? |
| 06:14.38 | NaufraGo | no.. |
| 06:14.47 | sifi-xz | SerajewelKS, it worked, thx |
| 06:15.12 | SerajewelKS | sifi-xz: cool |
| 06:15.20 | SerajewelKS | sifi-xz: i'm a good guesser =) |
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| 06:15.57 | sifi-xz | SerajewelKS, yes =), bye bye phpMyAdmin, I can't figure out when I really need it now |
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| 06:17.57 | sifi-xz | SerajewelKS, I would like you to join #unics later, it's just me and a couple of friends who is active in the channel but |
| 06:18.44 | liable | sifi-xz: you dont have henitals ? :) |
| 06:18.49 | Doctor | is there a force dependancies for apt-get? |
| 06:18.51 | liable | genitals.. |
| 06:19.04 | liable | oh, spelling mistake.. :P |
| 06:19.11 | sifi-xz | liable, ? |
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| 06:19.21 | tchino | has someone install linux on his ipod-mini |
| 06:19.29 | liable | bad joke... eunich.. |
| 06:19.35 | SerajewelKS | sifi-xz: what is #unics |
| 06:19.55 | sifi-xz | SerajewelKS, join it to see how few we are ;) |
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| 06:21.25 | deadcat | can i enable readahead for cd media drives? or thats only for hdds? |
| 06:21.29 | SerajewelKS | holy crap, the default gaim sounds suck |
| 06:21.38 | SerajewelKS | sifi-xz: aha |
| 06:22.53 | einsteinmg | imho readahead is enabled every time, you could disable it via open flag O_DIRECT or via a raw-device |
| 06:24.14 | einsteinmg | deadcat: what do you want do do? |
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| 06:24.58 | deadcat | einsteinmg: i want my dvd to burn faster. or something. currently i have dma = 1, everything is 0 |
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| 06:25.45 | einsteinmg | dvd ram? |
| 06:26.07 | einsteinmg | or package writing? |
| 06:26.31 | deadcat | ? |
| 06:26.47 | einsteinmg | with buffering your dvd writes much slower... not faster |
| 06:26.56 | deadcat | oh |
| 06:27.07 | deadcat | so just leave them to default and just enable dma? |
| 06:27.21 | einsteinmg | so you should deaktivate the buffering either through using a programm wich does O_DIRECT or use a raw device |
| 06:27.32 | einsteinmg | in case you use dvd-ram ;) |
| 06:27.36 | deadcat | growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /some/files <-- can this be a dir instead of *.avi ? |
| 06:27.46 | Hexpucmb | deadcat: Just curious... are you using ide-scsi/generic scsi? |
| 06:27.55 | flexo | i think i read somewhere that /etc/ld.so.conf is a nasty hack - is this true and is there another way to make sure libs in /usr/local are loadable? |
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| 06:28.19 | deadcat | Hexpucmb: not sure. how can i tell? |
| 06:28.33 | deadcat | Hexpucmb: i think its ide-scsi |
| 06:28.45 | flexo | (or can an elf file tell the linker maybe where to look for its libs?) |
| 06:28.48 | Hexpucmb | dvd/dvd is linked to /dev/hdc or something like that? |
| 06:28.58 | deadcat | ya. hdc |
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| 06:29.07 | Hexpucmb | ok then you are doing it the right way. |
| 06:29.11 | deadcat | k |
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| 06:29.39 | deadcat | does growisofs do /path/to/dir/ instead of /some/files ? |
| 06:29.39 | NaufraGo | sl |
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| 06:30.05 | liable | deadcat: yes |
| 06:30.20 | deadcat | both i guess? i am burning my family guys (= |
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| 06:30.50 | Nurbs | einsteinmg: countermeasures? against what exactly? |
| 06:30.56 | SerajewelKS | gaim + kde sounds = sexy |
| 06:31.24 | NaufraGo | SerajewelKS |
| 06:31.24 | SerajewelKS | gaim2 even |
| 06:31.27 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo |
| 06:31.35 | NaufraGo | the sound server doesn't work yet |
| 06:31.35 | SerajewelKS | !enter |
| 06:31.36 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 06:31.38 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: ^^^ |
| 06:31.46 | deadcat | burning dvd is much easier than cds. growisofs takes care of the mkisofs thing. |
| 06:32.12 | NaufraGo | the sound server doesn't work yet |
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| 06:32.19 | einsteinmg | Nurbs: imho it's from automatic service wakeup... and to not open the fifo as root it changes to postfix (user and group) |
| 06:32.20 | SerajewelKS | !repeat |
| 06:32.20 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:32.23 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: ^^^ |
| 06:32.37 | NaufraGo | come on |
| 06:32.38 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: what does 'lsof /dev/dsp' say |
| 06:33.05 | NaufraGo | artsd 5787 jeanpaul 8w CHR 14,3 671504 /dev/dsp0 |
| 06:33.19 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: the daemon is working then |
| 06:33.25 | NaufraGo | yes |
| 06:33.27 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: at least it's doing sound I/O |
| 06:33.27 | einsteinmg | Nurbs: apt-get source postfix, vi postfix*/src/master/master_wakeup.c, line 115 ;) |
| 06:33.35 | NaufraGo | but I don't listen to any sound |
| 06:33.41 | NaufraGo | from kde |
| 06:33.51 | Nurbs | einsteinmg: mhm, it's already in ~/admin/packages/postfix ;) |
| 06:34.04 | einsteinmg | hehe ;) |
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| 06:34.13 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: uncheck 'enable' and hit apply, then check it again and hit 'apply', then test sound |
| 06:35.02 | NaufraGo | doesn't work |
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| 06:35.19 | einsteinmg | NaufraGo: are the volumes at a reasonable level? |
| 06:35.24 | NaufraGo | yes |
| 06:35.29 | NaufraGo | look.. |
| 06:35.38 | NaufraGo | I can listen to music by amaroK |
| 06:35.53 | NaufraGo | but I can't listen to any sound from the system |
| 06:35.56 | SerajewelKS | !tell NaufraGo about entet |
| 06:35.58 | SerajewelKS | !tell NaufraGo about enter |
| 06:36.04 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: PLEASE read that |
| 06:36.17 | NaufraGo | ok. ok. |
| 06:36.50 | NaufraGo | I understand. So, do you understand what I say? |
| 06:37.09 | SerajewelKS | NaufraGo: yeah, again make sure the mixer is set right |
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| 06:38.09 | NaufraGo | mm, it's right I think |
| 06:39.02 | NaufraGo | I enter root.. and it work good, the system sounds work |
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| 06:39.45 | einsteinmg | system sound and musik are different volume levels? |
| 06:39.59 | NaufraGo | I don't think so |
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| 06:40.28 | NaufraGo | 1st. I can't access volume control.. because it doesn't detect any audio device |
| 06:40.47 | einsteinmg | how could you listen to amarok? |
| 06:40.58 | NaufraGo | by arts |
| 06:41.01 | NaufraGo | engine |
| 06:41.03 | ootput | any of you guys using the Opera 9.0 Preview? |
| 06:41.28 | einsteinmg | NaufraGo: and how do you think does arts the sound output? |
| 06:41.34 | einsteinmg | vodoo? |
| 06:42.19 | NaufraGo | I don't know |
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| 06:42.55 | Krycek | What does E-WDM stand for? |
| 06:43.02 | Krycek | when speaking of drivers |
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| 06:44.38 | NaufraGo | einsteinmg: I disabled the sound server, and enabled it, and from that moment, I can't listen to system's sounds |
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| 06:45.08 | clarkf | I am trying to build wine from source (apt-get --build source wine, per their website), and it requires both libarts1-dev and libjack0.80.0-dev, and libarts1-dev requires libjack0.100.0-dev which conflicts with libjack0.80.0-dev. Is there any way that I can trick it into thinking both are installed, or something? |
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| 06:45.24 | einsteinmg | NaufraGo: does sound work after: aumix -w 75 -v 75 -p 75 -m 75 |
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| 06:45.42 | NaufraGo | I haven't tried it |
| 06:46.22 | deadcat | hmm. for some reason, the dma option on my dvd drive turns off after a while.. |
| 06:46.25 | einsteinmg | yea... gues why i'm asking ;) |
| 06:46.51 | NaufraGo | mm |
| 06:46.51 | isaia | hello i have a problen.. i installed quota and when i try to start it it saying that i do not have quota enabled in kernel.. what is the command to reconfigure kernel and recompile.. please |
| 06:47.03 | NaufraGo | do I type it in a command line? |
| 06:47.06 | archpollux | isaia: make menuconfig |
| 06:47.27 | archpollux | isaia: or grep -i quota .config in the kernel tree |
| 06:47.32 | isaia | thank you |
| 06:47.39 | NaufraGo | einsteinmg |
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| 06:47.53 | einsteinmg | oh... yes type it in |
| 06:48.02 | NaufraGo | command not found |
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| 06:48.40 | manparaneh | need help... I run apt-get install udev and it removed hotplug and now my network is not working any more |
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| 06:48.59 | manparaneh | when I try to bring eth0 I get the following error |
| 06:49.22 | einsteinmg | NaufraGo: install aumix or do the same with an mixer of your choice |
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| 06:49.36 | manparaneh | eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 06:49.54 | archpollux | manparaneh: the right module for your network card is not being loaded |
| 06:49.56 | manparaneh | how can I fix that and get my network interface working again? |
| 06:50.09 | liable | manparaneh: when you installed udev, did it mention anything about hotplug? |
| 06:50.19 | NaufraGo | ok, I did it |
| 06:50.20 | manparaneh | archpollux: it's loaded |
| 06:50.22 | NaufraGo | and it doesn't work |
| 06:50.38 | archpollux | manparaneh: see what the output of lspci says for your NIC and load the right module for it |
| 06:50.43 | archpollux | manparaneh: how do you know? |
| 06:50.43 | NaufraGo | Error while initializing the sound driver: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 06:50.51 | manparaneh | liable: yes.... told me that was removing the hotplug :( |
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| 06:51.12 | manparaneh | archpollux: it's loaded right |
| 06:51.22 | liable | manparaneh: and did it not tell you to purge hotplug? |
| 06:51.45 | archpollux | manparaneh: what does /var/log/syslog say? |
| 06:51.55 | NaufraGo | einsteinmg |
| 06:51.56 | manparaneh | liable: yes... the I did apt-get remove --purge hotplug |
| 06:52.00 | liable | manparaneh: check the bts for udev, /msg dpkg bts |
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| 06:52.32 | archpollux | manparaneh: if the module is loaded, having udev, hotplug or none running doesn't matter at all |
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| 06:52.45 | isaia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.45 | isaia | make: *** No rule to make target `menuconfig'. Stop. |
| 06:52.46 | manparaneh | archpollux: nothing related to udev and devices being detected |
| 06:53.08 | archpollux | manparaneh: what do you mean? u just said the module is being loaded |
| 06:53.15 | isaia | i need to download the kernel or something ? |
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| 06:53.40 | manparaneh | archpollux: yeah... it's |
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| 06:53.46 | ClamIAm | hey, i'm trying to get DRI working, is there a good debian-type howto for this? |
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| 06:54.20 | archpollux | manparaneh: dude, you're being to vague, so i can't help you |
| 06:54.23 | archpollux | too |
| 06:54.33 | isaia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.33 | isaia | grep: .config: No such file or directory |
| 06:54.33 | isaia | grep: in: No such file or directory |
| 06:54.41 | manparaneh | I also got Bind socket to interface: no such device |
| 06:55.16 | manparaneh | archpollux: what else do you need to know? |
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| 06:56.10 | NaufraGo | einsteinmg: are you there? |
| 06:56.10 | beered | how do i find application name from package name? I've installed gtk2-engines-gtk-qt but I'm not sure what command to use to get the app/control panel. |
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| 06:56.13 | fooz | wonder if I can make a working FPC m68k cross compiler. i simply must code for my Palm Pilot in Pascal! |
| 06:56.18 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 06:56.24 | manparaneh | archpollux: let me see if I understood.... I need to have udev installed and nothing else |
| 06:56.25 | jeffrin | please help me |
| 06:56.29 | archpollux | manparaneh: give me something that i can work with... what do lspci and lsmod say? |
| 06:56.40 | manparaneh | archpollux: it's going to detect my device and load the proper module |
| 06:56.46 | einsteinmg | NaufraGo: yes |
| 06:56.53 | manparaneh | archpollux: don't I have to configure anything else? |
| 06:56.56 | archpollux | manparaneh: yes, but once the right module is loaded, it doesn't matter.. u can even just do it manually |
| 06:57.12 | manparaneh | archpollux: lsmod show me tulip |
| 06:57.15 | jeffrin | error messege is .... cat: /dev/ttyUSB0: Input/output error |
| 06:57.30 | fooz | jeffrin, why are you catting d/ev/ttyUSB0 |
| 06:57.43 | archpollux | manparaneh: and lspci? |
| 06:57.54 | manparaneh | archpollux: I cant show you the lspci output cause I'm not runing a linux now... my network is not working so I'm typing from a windows system |
| 06:57.58 | jeffrin | just to see if that is the port to my mobile phone |
| 06:58.21 | NaufraGo | I can't do the sound server work |
| 06:58.21 | jeffrin | i thave done this .... irattach /dev/ttyUSB0 -d ma600 -s |
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| 06:58.39 | jeffrin | fooz : i have done irattach |
| 06:58.43 | manparaneh | archpollux: I don't understand udev well so I don't know if I have to reconfigure anything |
| 06:58.49 | manparaneh | archpollux: should I? |
| 06:59.01 | beered | how do i find application name from package name? I've installed gtk2-engines-gtk-qt but I'm not sure what command to use to get the app/control panel. |
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| 06:59.33 | archpollux | manparaneh: u don't need to configure anything |
| 06:59.36 | liable | manparaneh: your eth module prolly isnt being loaded, try just loading it and see how you go. |
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| 06:59.57 | archpollux | manparaneh: unless your nic is quite alien, in which case, if there is a driver for it, you can just load it yourself |
| 07:00.10 | liable | manparaneh: then add it to /etc/modules.. |
| 07:00.26 | manparaneh | liable: I thing you didn't understand.... the module has beeng loaded, and it's already present in /etc/modules |
| 07:00.38 | liable | oh, right. |
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| 07:01.35 | manparaneh | if I remove the line referencing the module from /etc/modules |
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| 07:01.54 | manparaneh | does udev detect and load the module properly? |
| 07:02.23 | liable | manparaneh: did you check the bts yet? |
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| 07:02.40 | manparaneh | liable: what do you mean by bts? |
| 07:02.54 | manparaneh | liable: I'm sorry but I don't understand bts |
| 07:03.01 | liable | !tell manparaneh about bts |
| 07:03.59 | manparaneh | liable: no... but I'm going to do it right now |
| 07:04.07 | liable | good |
| 07:05.07 | gin_ | if i have installed Windows XP again, how can i get back the grub or lilo boot loader and not Windows loader ? |
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| 07:05.29 | beardy | gin_: Reinstall the bootloader. |
| 07:06.11 | gin_ | beardy, from the firts cd installation ? |
| 07:06.33 | archpollux | gin_: read the grub docs, i don't think that part is too long |
| 07:06.34 | beardy | gin_: That's why the preferred way is to install the real os last. |
| 07:06.56 | beardy | gin_: You can use that to boot with yes. |
| 07:06.56 | jsmith | hello all |
| 07:07.01 | jetscreamer | i always leave windows thinking it's the only one |
| 07:07.21 | gin_ | right tnx. |
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| 07:07.31 | jetscreamer | but i have 8 hd's to choose from |
| 07:07.33 | beardy | jetscreamer: On a multiboot machine? What do you boot from? |
| 07:07.40 | jetscreamer | grub |
| 07:07.43 | jetscreamer | hda |
| 07:07.50 | jetscreamer | i have windows on hde1 |
| 07:08.14 | jetscreamer | and it thinks it boots from there. |
| 07:09.07 | jetscreamer | (which it did, and does if i put the defaultboot back on that hd) |
| 07:10.56 | jsmith | udev give alot of error message when booting, "faild run /lib/udev/udev_run_hotplugd" |
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| 07:11.08 | jsmith | any suggestion? |
| 07:11.29 | liable | jsmith: dont use udev? :) |
| 07:11.38 | jsmith | :) |
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| 07:12.02 | NGo | einsteinmg |
| 07:12.11 | NGo | I've installed alsa |
| 07:12.15 | liable | jsmith: but check bts, been a few people complaining about an error similar to yours lately |
| 07:12.25 | NGo | and I can't configure it |
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| 07:12.41 | manparaneh | what does it mean? |
| 07:12.41 | manparaneh | udev-udeb_0.079-1_i386.udeb |
| 07:12.44 | manparaneh | ops |
| 07:12.47 | manparaneh | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343659 |
| 07:13.02 | james__ | can someone help me to set my system time to Feb. 10 Friday 11:13 PM? |
| 07:13.03 | manparaneh | the message from Marco d'Itri |
| 07:13.13 | beardy | !set the time |
| 07:13.13 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 07:13.40 | sigma | james__: set time or timezone? |
| 07:13.46 | james__ | time |
| 07:13.54 | sigma | date |
| 07:14.15 | jetscreamer | the command to use is called 'date' |
| 07:14.23 | Supaplex | man date :P |
| 07:14.25 | ice_1963 | NGo: are you running Gnome or kde? |
| 07:14.29 | james__ | i only know use "date -s" but i don't know what to put after that |
| 07:14.52 | sigma | james__: type<enter> |
| 07:14.54 | beardy | james__: Look at what 'date' outputs, use the same format, within "" |
| 07:15.11 | sigma | s/type/date |
| 07:15.31 | liable | manparaneh: dont worry about it.. google for an explanation to a udeb if you really want to know. |
| 07:15.52 | liable | manparaneh: that was the end saying basically that it should be fixed.. |
| 07:15.54 | james__ | oooh, thanks a lot! |
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| 07:16.08 | ice_1963 | owell |
| 07:16.11 | NGo | kde |
| 07:16.29 | NGo | ice_1963 |
| 07:16.33 | manparaneh | liable: how do I get those things and install? |
| 07:16.40 | manparaneh | liable: and where |
| 07:16.59 | ice_1963 | NGo and you installed alsa right |
| 07:17.15 | liable | manparaneh: thats an old bug, that should be fixed. what version of udev you have? |
| 07:17.22 | NGo | yes |
| 07:17.25 | ice_1963 | for sound |
| 07:17.33 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 07:17.50 | manparaneh | liable: I'm not running my debian system.... you remember? |
| 07:18.10 | liable | manparaneh: right, you are getting stuff from the net though? |
| 07:18.11 | manparaneh | liable: and I really don't remember what version is installed :( |
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| 07:18.14 | ice_1963 | this is whit i installed |
| 07:18.20 | beered | where can i find more GTK themes? |
| 07:18.35 | ice_1963 | alsa-base |
| 07:18.53 | ice_1963 | alsa-utils |
| 07:18.57 | manparaneh | liable: yeah... trying to understand what was wrong |
| 07:19.00 | manparaneh | :) |
| 07:19.07 | liable | manparaneh: why did you install udev, if you are having trouble working it out, try purging udev and re-install hotplug. |
| 07:19.28 | jetscreamer | beered: apt-cache search gtk2-theme iirc |
| 07:19.30 | NGo | they are installed |
| 07:19.45 | manparaneh | liable: I already tried doing it... but didn't work |
| 07:19.58 | NGo | this is my card's info: Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) |
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| 07:20.07 | ice_1963 | gstreamer0.8-alsa |
| 07:20.09 | jetscreamer | err gtk2-engines |
| 07:20.22 | jetscreamer | beered: apt-cache search gtk2-engines |
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| 07:20.30 | liable | manparaneh: did you upgrade a kernel at the same time? |
| 07:20.40 | ice_1963 | libessd-alsa |
| 07:20.54 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search gtk |grep -i theme |
| 07:20.56 | buu | Ok, when I run 'startx' I get "X: user not authorized to run the xserver, aborting" |
| 07:21.00 | beered | jetscreamer: nice. ty. |
| 07:21.04 | buu | Where do I find that permission? |
| 07:21.30 | ice_1963 | libpt-plugins-alsa |
| 07:22.08 | NGo | what else? |
| 07:22.24 | ice_1963 | that's it |
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| 07:24.16 | buu | Anyone? |
| 07:24.22 | NGo | wait a few seconds ice-1963 |
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| 07:24.50 | jsmith | start use /tmp, so check /tmp permission.. |
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| 07:25.01 | ice_1963 | and i'm runing kde 3.5 right now |
| 07:25.03 | manparaneh | liable: I compiled 2.6.12.6 |
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| 07:25.34 | liable | manparaneh: does this happen with a debian kernel? |
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| 07:26.01 | optraz | how come ieee1394 taken the eth1 ? i cant seem to make my wireless card work. |
| 07:26.05 | optraz | anyone can hlep? |
| 07:26.13 | manparaneh | liable: with a debian kernel was worst... nothing worked at all... not even the mouse |
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| 07:26.15 | JRWR | is there a linux clone of this program, (mostly config style) http://www.whitsoftdev.com/slimftpd/ |
| 07:26.19 | manparaneh | liable: but it's another thing I was going to ask... do I have to enable any special thing in the kernel to udev work? |
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| 07:26.48 | liable | manparaneh: no |
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| 07:27.33 | manparaneh | liable: :) I can't understand.... everything is configured and installed properly.... but don't work |
| 07:27.44 | archpollux | manparaneh: yes, hotplug events |
| 07:28.13 | manparaneh | archpollux: hummm... now it's getting better... anything else? |
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| 07:28.23 | archpollux | manparaneh: don't think so |
| 07:28.49 | manparaneh | archpollux: liable: I'm going to reboot and try few things again.... |
| 07:28.59 | manparaneh | archpollux: liable: thanks a lot |
| 07:29.11 | archpollux | np |
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| 07:30.10 | NaufraGo | ice1963: sorry, what packages do I have to installed |
| 07:30.16 | NaufraGo | I had to reboot |
| 07:30.40 | NaufraGo | ..install |
| 07:31.29 | beered | is it possible to install packages using wild cards? e.g apt-get install gtk2-engines-* |
| 07:31.43 | NaufraGo | my gosh |
| 07:31.57 | NaufraGo | can anybody repeat what ice1963 said? please! |
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| 07:33.21 | jetscreamer | it's called /lastlog /ice1963 |
| 07:33.25 | jetscreamer | err |
| 07:33.33 | jetscreamer | /lastlog ice1963 |
| 07:33.34 | liable | he rebooted |
| 07:34.09 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.20 | NaufraGo | what else? |
| 07:34.26 | jetscreamer | yes beered |
| 07:34.34 | jetscreamer | i dunno, scroll up |
| 07:34.53 | NaufraGo | I rebooted |
| 07:35.00 | NaufraGo | liable: is he comming back? |
| 07:35.21 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:35.21 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:35.36 | ice_1963 | yes |
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| 07:35.47 | jetscreamer | libessd-alsa libpt-plugins-alsa |
| 07:36.00 | NaufraGo | nothing else? |
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| 07:36.08 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 07:36.14 | jetscreamer | don't htink so |
| 07:36.21 | jetscreamer | you could ask him |
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| 07:36.47 | NaufraGo | ice_1963 |
| 07:37.06 | NaufraGo | I couldn't install libessd-alsa |
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| 07:37.48 | NaufraGo | I installed the other packages |
| 07:38.08 | ice_1963 | to install a printer jest install cupsys cupsys-bsd and install printconf |
| 07:38.30 | NaufraGo | I'm talking about my sound server |
| 07:39.08 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 07:39.28 | NaufraGo | I mean. I can't configure alsa |
| 07:39.38 | NaufraGo | because it doesn't find any module |
| 07:40.05 | NaufraGo | my card's info is: Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) |
| 07:41.26 | NaufraGo | can you help me? |
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| 07:42.57 | NaufraGo | /usr/share/alsa/cards/VIA8233.conf there's my audio card |
| 07:42.58 | ice_1963 | libesd-alsa |
| 07:43.33 | NaufraGo | it doesn't work |
| 07:43.57 | beered | I have to sudo to run 'shutdown'. isn't there a way to shutdown the computer without sudoing first? |
| 07:44.10 | ice_1963 | well ok that's what i installed |
| 07:45.11 | NaufraGo | does /usr/share/alsa/cards/VIA8233.conf help? |
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| 07:46.48 | tjostolf | NaufraGo: do you find your card at www.alsa-project.org? |
| 07:47.21 | deadcat | currently when i do growisofs ... /path/to/dir/, the directory "dir" is not in the dvd after i burn. what do i have to do to have the dir in the dvd as well? currently only the files in dir gets stored. |
| 07:48.51 | fooz | deadcat, did you use -M /dev/dvd |
| 07:48.54 | NaufraGo | yes, it really does |
| 07:49.06 | NaufraGo | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-VIA#matrix |
| 07:49.10 | deadcat | fooz: ya all those options needed to burn. |
| 07:49.31 | fooz | deadcat, did you use the same options each time? |
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| 07:49.42 | deadcat | fooz: the dvd has all the .avi but the "folder" is not there. i have /path/to/familyguys2/ |
| 07:49.49 | deadcat | fooz: yes |
| 07:49.52 | fooz | like growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /the/path ... then growisofs -M /dev/dvd -R -J /the/path |
| 07:49.53 | deadcat | fooz: i have them aliased |
| 07:50.09 | deadcat | fooz: heres what i typed |
| 07:50.18 | ice_1963 | this is what i have installed for alsa / alsa-base/alsa-utils/gstreamer0.8-alsa/libasound2/libesd-alsa/libpt-plugins-alsa/linux-sound-base |
| 07:50.35 | fooz | man i've got a dvd burner, i really should use it to back stuff up |
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| 07:51.04 | tjostolf | NaufraGo: Fine! well I can't help you further... |
| 07:51.14 | NaufraGo | ok |
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| 07:51.23 | deadcat | fooz: growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /blah/family.guy.s2/ when i mount the dvd and ls /dvd/* i see all the avi files. but i want all those to be in the dir family.guy.s2 (/dvd/family.guy.s2/*.avi) |
| 07:51.50 | rAz_ | sorry |
| 07:51.53 | fooz | deadcat, uhh.. so you need the last option (/blah/family.guy.s2/) to be just /blah/ instead |
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| 07:52.08 | fooz | deadcat, you specify the ROOT of the DVD mastering dir |
| 07:52.13 | NaufraGo | well, I'm reading the manual |
| 07:52.23 | dn4 | Shawweeet is symbolic language for Sweet and wheat. |
| 07:52.25 | fooz | deadcat, you know.. like how tar and zip work |
| 07:52.49 | fooz | and rsync, and cp -a, and every other unix tool |
| 07:53.02 | NaufraGo | what is cvs? |
| 07:53.09 | fooz | Crappy Versioning System |
| 07:53.23 | vik | I suffered a hard disk failure; have salvaged almost everything onto a new disk (still boots and all), but want to verify or reinstall all of the packages on my system. What is the easiest way to do this? |
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| 07:53.30 | deadcat | fooz: i see... i guess i will just have to create a dir for dvd, like /blah/dvd/, then drop the familguys2/ dir in that dir to get the familyguys2 dir in the dvd |
| 07:53.33 | NaufraGo | how can I know if I'm using it? |
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| 07:53.48 | fooz | deadcat, no just specify /blah/ instead of /blah/familyguys2/ |
| 07:53.51 | fooz | deadcat, and it'll work |
| 07:54.10 | fooz | deadcat, it'll make /blah/ directory tree into a DVD |
| 07:54.25 | deadcat | fooz: i have hella shits in /blah |
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| 07:54.45 | fooz | you movie thief you.. stealing all those expensive movies from the poor MPAA |
| 07:54.55 | NaufraGo | how can I know if I'm using it? |
| 07:54.57 | TBBle | deadcat: You can also use /var/family.guy.s2/=family.guy.s2 or some similar syntax. See the mkisofs manpage under grafting... |
| 07:54.58 | NaufraGo | (cvs) |
| 07:55.06 | deadcat | fooz: tv shows. (=, 24, family guy, simpsons, american dad |
| 07:55.13 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 07:55.21 | lgd_ | xgl =) |
| 07:55.24 | fooz | drop american dad and get something cool, like The Shield |
| 07:55.36 | deadcat | TBBle: ah. thanks.. i didnt even man mkisofs, i just let growisofs do all the hardwork. lazy me (= |
| 07:55.56 | lgd_ | is this someone has installa xgl? |
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| 07:56.43 | deadcat | lgd_: no |
| 07:56.58 | NaufraGo | tjostolf are you still there? |
| 07:57.00 | deadcat | fooz: hhaha.. |
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| 07:57.16 | lgd_ | deadcat: xgl is beaty |
| 07:57.18 | Hexpucmb | oh no :) |
| 07:57.27 | deadcat | lgd_: ya. and theres only 1 person that has it.. him |
| 07:57.52 | Toolboy | Who can I touble about printing problem? |
| 07:57.54 | jetscreamer | ah shit that reminds me i need to update my scifi 'subscription' |
| 07:57.56 | lgd_ | what is' |
| 07:57.56 | lgd_ | ? |
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| 07:58.57 | TBBle | beaty? |
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| 07:59.42 | lgd_ | TBBle: use you xgl? |
| 07:59.58 | deadcat | lgd_: like i said. NO ONE! |
| 08:00.05 | deadcat | except him |
| 08:00.17 | deadcat | and i think you know whos "him" |
| 08:00.23 | lgd_ | i not understand |
| 08:00.28 | deadcat | too bad then |
| 08:01.20 | NaufraGo | how can I know if I'm using CVS? |
| 08:01.21 | NaufraGo | please |
| 08:01.33 | deadcat | NaufraGo: dpkg -l cvs |
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| 08:02.50 | huhcool | hey guys, in CShell scripting, what is the most basic/easiest way to infinitely repeat a task every 10 seconds? Getting an infinite loop is easy, but making it iterate only after 10 seconds is what i'm having trouble with. Anyone know? |
| 08:03.10 | einsteinmg | sleep 10 |
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| 08:03.40 | huhcool | einsteinmg> thank you very much! as you can tell, I'm a newb, thanks for your patience. |
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| 08:04.30 | manparaneh | archpollux: liable: up and runing... |
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| 08:05.29 | NaufraGo | hey |
| 08:05.32 | Toolboy | How do I set a computer up to be the print server in printcap? I have been filtering through a lot of man pages but just dont seem to find it. |
| 08:05.50 | NaufraGo | I'm reading about installing my audio card's driver with alsa |
| 08:06.52 | TBBle | Toolboy: Using lpr-ng or something? rm and rp I think. |
| 08:06.59 | NaufraGo | and it talks me about unziping.. and configuring the driver package |
| 08:07.14 | NaufraGo | but, where on earth is the driver package? |
| 08:07.21 | manparaneh | archpollux: liable: thank you guys |
| 08:07.57 | ice_1963 | if you installed alsa you will need reboot for it to work |
| 08:08.37 | NaufraGo | I removed alsa |
| 08:08.55 | Toolboy | TBBL I am using lprng. I have been reading the lprng doc but when i use there example, lpq says I dont have a print queu for the missing printer on this server. Iam assuming no printer is listed but why? |
| 08:09.44 | Toolboy | I can print when |
| 08:09.48 | Toolboy | Sorry |
| 08:10.13 | ice_1963 | well how can you have sound if you removed lasa? |
| 08:10.13 | Toolboy | I can print when i dont specify my machine as a server! |
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| 08:10.38 | ice_1963 | alsa |
| 08:10.43 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 08:10.43 | TBBle | Toolboy: Oh, I see. Absolutely no idea then. |
| 08:11.01 | einsteinmg | huhcool: np ;) |
| 08:11.10 | lgd_ | can i take xgl with apt-get ? |
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| 08:11.37 | einsteinmg | huhcool: for everythin shell related, just look at http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 08:12.05 | chealer_ | lgd_: no |
| 08:12.09 | isaia | what is the command to start and stop quota ? please |
| 08:12.27 | Toolboy | einsteinmg where can i look for everything printing related |
| 08:12.43 | lgd_ | chealer_: can i do? |
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| 08:13.03 | lgd_ | what can i do? |
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| 08:14.13 | einsteinmg | printing related? |
| 08:14.27 | Toolboy | Yip! |
| 08:14.52 | einsteinmg | last time i've to fiddle with pdf for printing... just installed windows + adobe acrobat, faster and better quality :( |
| 08:15.37 | einsteinmg | Toolboy: sorry dont know a howto... try it |
| 08:15.40 | Toolboy | Im trying to set up 1 machine as a print server but I`m doing something wrong in printcap |
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| 08:15.48 | einsteinmg | printcap? |
| 08:16.15 | Toolboy | The printcap file in /etc |
| 08:16.20 | einsteinmg | sorry not mine ;) |
| 08:16.40 | einsteinmg | i've just installed cups + config per click in the webfrontend and it works |
| 08:16.59 | Toolboy | I tried the HOWTO either its not there or im not seeing it probably the latter coz im a newb |
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| 08:17.04 | chealer_ | lgd_: hehe, many things |
| 08:17.05 | einsteinmg | printer is samsung laser ml1520 |
| 08:17.38 | einsteinmg | Toolboy: i've never touched printcap ;) |
| 08:17.59 | einsteinmg | sorry can't help you with that |
| 08:18.06 | einsteinmg | maybe try it with cups |
| 08:18.20 | Toolboy | Im using lprng. The printing works fine when my pc is not a server. |
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| 08:18.34 | valdyn | Toolboy: why dont you use cups? |
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| 08:19.21 | vik | I suffered a hard disk failure; have salvaged almost everything onto a new disk (still boots and all), but want to verify or reinstall all of the packages on my system. What is the easiest way to do this? I'm thinking something like get the list of installed packages, then running apt-get --reinstall <list> |
| 08:19.25 | zethreth | what do you do if you changed all of your file permitions to one user and one group. I tried to change the permition of some hidden files in my home directory by using chown -R value:value .* and it changed everything from the root up. |
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| 08:19.47 | Toolboy | I`ve been told its not a good idea by somebody who was runnning mandrake9. |
| 08:19.50 | valdyn | Toolboy: tell us clearly what the problem is, you did not so far. like: can you print from the host the printer is connected to and just not from different boxes? |
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| 08:20.10 | Toolboy | maybe that is a bit of an old version |
| 08:21.58 | Toolboy | When i put :server in my printcap file Lpq spits out "Printer: missingprinter@sargebean - ERROR: spool queue for 'missingprinter' does not exist on server sargebean.kinderkamer |
| 08:22.05 | Toolboy | check for correct printer name or you may need to run |
| 08:22.05 | Toolboy | 'checkpc -f' to create queue". My geuss is that it doesn`t identify trhe |
| 08:22.05 | Toolboy | printer |
| 08:23.00 | valdyn | Toolboy: you didnt specify the printer in your printcap.. |
| 08:23.38 | Toolboy | I did thats what is getting me down Ill paste a copy of my printcap for you |
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| 08:24.31 | cahoot | Toolboy: you've decided to rule put cups? |
| 08:24.36 | cahoot | out |
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| 08:26.31 | morora | after upgrading to firefox 1.5, my mozilla-mplayer-plugin doesn't work anymore. where to get the latest? |
| 08:27.37 | zethreth | I just finnished doing a re-install after finding out the hard way about the evils of segfaults from a bugy cpu. Is there a easy way to set the default file premissions back ? |
| 08:27.57 | zethreth | overclocking |
| 08:28.37 | Toolboy | Valdyn are you still around |
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| 08:30.49 | jeffrin | hello all |
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| 08:31.25 | jeffrin | how to solve this ... |
| 08:31.27 | jeffrin | cat: /dev/ttyUSB0: Input/output error |
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| 08:32.04 | NaufraGo | /usr/src/linux directory doesn't exist |
| 08:32.09 | NaufraGo | what's up? |
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| 08:32.22 | NaufraGo | where is the kernel? |
| 08:32.31 | NaufraGo | sources |
| 08:32.45 | morora | many questions but no answers? is this channel losing its touch? |
| 08:33.10 | cahoot | was that a question? |
| 08:33.25 | valdyn | Toolboy: sure |
| 08:33.26 | jeffrin | cahoot : i have done this .... irattach /dev/ttyUSB0 -d ma600 -s |
| 08:33.29 | NaufraGo | can anybody help me? please |
| 08:33.43 | jeffrin | NaufraGo : tell me |
| 08:34.03 | NaufraGo | /usr/src/linux directory doesn't exist |
| 08:34.20 | jeffrin | NaufraGo : did it exist before |
| 08:34.24 | NaufraGo | I'm trying to do ./configureno |
| 08:34.27 | NaufraGo | no |
| 08:34.40 | blaamann_home | NaufraGo: install the sources |
| 08:34.40 | NaufraGo | I'm trying to do ./configure for alsa-driver |
| 08:34.42 | Toolboy | I opened a chat with you my printcap file is there. Sorry I`m a newbie, so I don`t always know whats potting |
| 08:34.48 | NaufraGo | how do I do that? |
| 08:34.54 | valdyn | !paste |
| 08:34.54 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 08:35.17 | NaufraGo | how do I install the sources? |
| 08:35.30 | jeffrin | NaufraGo : first get the source |
| 08:35.35 | NaufraGo | how? |
| 08:35.44 | jeffrin | NaufraGo : kernel.org |
| 08:35.56 | NaufraGo | what about apt-get? |
| 08:35.58 | valdyn | jeffrin: why the hell |
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| 08:36.22 | valdyn | NaufraGo: why dont you use debians alsa driver? |
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| 08:36.59 | NaufraGo | because 1st I don't think debian has alsa |
| 08:37.10 | valdyn | NaufraGo: debian has alsa |
| 08:37.17 | valdyn | NaufraGo: uname -r |
| 08:37.20 | NaufraGo | the 1st cd? |
| 08:37.32 | NaufraGo | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 08:37.39 | valdyn | NaufraGo: why would it matter on which cd it is? |
| 08:37.51 | NaufraGo | I just have the 1st cd |
| 08:38.22 | valdyn | NaufraGo: debian packages are usually retried via the intarweb ) |
| 08:38.27 | NaufraGo | ok |
| 08:38.28 | valdyn | NaufraGo: debian packages are usually retrived via the intarweb ) |
| 08:38.47 | NaufraGo | so.. |
| 08:38.59 | Toolboy | lp|Epson6200 |
| 08:38.59 | Toolboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.00 | Toolboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.00 | Toolboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.00 | Toolboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.00 | Toolboy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:39.07 | valdyn | NaufraGo: run : 'apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r)' |
| 08:39.57 | NaufraGo | apt-get install alsa (first?) |
| 08:40.09 | valdyn | NaufraGo: no, do exactly what i said |
| 08:40.13 | NaufraGo | ok |
| 08:40.14 | NaufraGo | but |
| 08:40.19 | NaufraGo | I try tu run alsaconf |
| 08:40.23 | NaufraGo | and it doesn't work |
| 08:40.30 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 08:40.30 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 08:40.52 | valdyn | NaufraGo: just do what i said, do one thing after the other |
| 08:41.02 | NaufraGo | ok. ok. |
| 08:41.25 | NaufraGo | ready |
| 08:41.30 | valdyn | !alsa |
| 08:41.30 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 08:41.39 | valdyn | NaufraGo: that faq sucks, stop |
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| 08:42.06 | valdyn | NaufraGo: apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 08:42.11 | NaufraGo | wait |
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| 08:42.42 | NaufraGo | when I installed alsa-modules-.... |
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| 08:43.02 | NaufraGo | I received lot of "unresolved symbols" blah blah |
| 08:43.06 | zethreth | I just changed every file permission from the my root mount on up by mistake. I wanted to change some hidden file in my home directory so I used "chown -R user:group .*" to change all of them and it changed everything. Is there a easy way to put the permissions back ? I just finnished setting my system up again after experimentations of overclocking led to such bad segfaults that my system was left crippled. I have found a nice clock |
| 08:43.22 | NaufraGo | Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload). |
| 08:43.29 | valdyn | NaufraGo: ok |
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| 08:43.34 | valdyn | NaufraGo: apt-get install alsa-utils anyway |
| 08:43.50 | NaufraGo | ready |
| 08:43.58 | valdyn | NaufraGo: run alsaconf |
| 08:45.08 | NaufraGo | ready |
| 08:45.29 | valdyn | NaufraGo: umm, did alsaconf detect your soundcard? |
| 08:45.32 | Dewi | why would ntpd "reject" every host I refer it to, even though it can contact them and get offsets, and they have low pings? and my clock is less than 10 seconds off? |
| 08:45.34 | NaufraGo | yes |
| 08:45.43 | Dewi | I've been trying random settings with this for a week now |
| 08:46.02 | NaufraGo | but "test sound" doesn't work |
| 08:46.17 | valdyn | NaufraGo: 'dpkg -l discover discover1 hotplug | grep ^ii' |
| 08:47.38 | NaufraGo | wait |
| 08:47.42 | NaufraGo | when I configured alsa |
| 08:47.58 | NaufraGo | it gave me "unresolved symbols...." again |
| 08:48.01 | NaufraGo | does it matter? |
| 08:48.12 | valdyn | NaufraGo: yes, ill get back to that soon |
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| 08:48.53 | NaufraGo | I did dpkg -l discover discover1 hotplug | grep ^ii |
| 08:49.01 | valdyn | NaufraGo: and? get any output? |
| 08:49.04 | Toolboy | Valdyn did you see my printcap file? |
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| 08:49.10 | valdyn | Toolboy: no |
| 08:49.17 | valdyn | !tell Toolboy -about paste |
| 08:49.35 | NaufraGo | ii discover1 1.7.7 hardware identification system | ii hotplug 0.0.20040329-2 Linux Hotplug Scripts |
| 08:49.36 | Toolboy | Yeah i was jus gonna ask that |
| 08:49.54 | NaufraGo | valdyn |
| 08:50.11 | valdyn | NaufraGo: alright. do you have a working internet connection on that box? Where is that CD from and how old is it? |
| 08:50.45 | valdyn | NaufraGo: and... which is your CPU? |
| 08:50.49 | einsteinmg | Dewi: maybe your drift file messed up? |
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| 08:50.56 | einsteinmg | any logs? |
| 08:51.06 | NaufraGo | pentium4 2.8 512ram 80gb |
| 08:51.20 | NaufraGo | I've internet connection |
| 08:51.31 | einsteinmg | :D |
| 08:51.43 | NaufraGo | and I don't know what are you talking about the cd |
| 08:51.57 | valdyn | NaufraGo: where did you get that CD? |
| 08:52.05 | NaufraGo | of debian? |
| 08:52.22 | Dewi | einsteinmg: I've deleted it many times |
| 08:52.28 | valdyn | NaufraGo: run anyway: 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-686 |
| 08:52.52 | NaufraGo | before.. |
| 08:52.56 | einsteinmg | Dewi: any logs? |
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| 08:53.05 | NaufraGo | maybe the problem should be in the mixer? |
| 08:53.10 | valdyn | NaufraGo: no |
| 08:53.48 | valdyn | NaufraGo: the problem is the unresolved symbols, so im telling you to install a different kernel and alsa-modules above |
| 08:53.52 | Dewi | einsteinmg: peerstats looks normal (except for status code), loopstats is just always all zeroes |
| 08:54.02 | Dewi | einsteinmg: no abnormal entries in daemon.log |
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| 08:54.09 | valdyn | NaufraGo: let me know when you're done with that and reboot |
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| 08:54.28 | einsteinmg | Dewi: aktivate debug mode, ntpd -D level |
| 08:54.31 | NaufraGo | mm |
| 08:54.38 | einsteinmg | go up till there are errors in the log ;) |
| 08:54.38 | NaufraGo | I've installed them |
| 08:54.46 | NaufraGo | and the same msgs again |
| 08:54.51 | NaufraGo | "unresolved symbols" |
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| 08:54.58 | tchize | Hello |
| 08:55.01 | valdyn | NaufraGo: just reboot |
| 08:55.07 | NaufraGo | ok, wait |
| 08:55.14 | Dewi | einsteinmg: ntpq's 'assoc' tells me 'rejected' on all the hosts, and ntpq's 'peers' tells me they are reachable but I get a tally code of ' ' which supposedly means unreachable or synch loop or outrageous synch distance. None of which apply in any way. |
| 08:55.19 | Dewi | einsteinmg: okay I'll just that a go |
| 08:55.56 | Dewi | einsteinmg: not really sure how to make that happen. Should I edit /etc/init.d/ntp-server? |
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| 08:56.58 | valdyn | is the bts somehow broken atm? |
| 08:56.59 | einsteinmg | yea try it, you can't destroy anything ;) |
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| 08:57.22 | NaufraGo | now? |
| 08:57.32 | ice_1963 | well |
| 08:57.40 | valdyn | NaufraGo: reboot now if you havent.. |
| 08:57.49 | NaufraGo | I rebooted |
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| 08:58.08 | valdyn | NaufraGo: alright, try running alsaconf now |
| 08:58.41 | NaufraGo | and in the grup (where I choose the OS) were 2 things of linux |
| 08:58.56 | Dewi | einsteinmg: ntpd not compiled with -DDEBUG option - no DEBUG support |
| 08:59.07 | NaufraGo | that's so strange |
| 08:59.07 | valdyn | NaufraGo: thats the -386 and the -686 kernel |
| 08:59.26 | valdyn | NaufraGo: nothing wrong with it, both leads you to the same system |
| 08:59.34 | NaufraGo | ok |
| 08:59.45 | NaufraGo | but I don't remember wich one I entered |
| 08:59.46 | tchize | Does somebody here knows if there are special things to do when switching from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 kernel? I have tons of failures related to udev at startup and alos |
| 08:59.52 | valdyn | NaufraGo: uname -r |
| 08:59.52 | NaufraGo | doesn't it matter? |
| 09:00.06 | tchize | also tonc of messages like 'can not touche /var/log/dmesg.new permission denied' |
| 09:00.09 | NaufraGo | 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 09:00.13 | valdyn | NaufraGo: does matter, i want you to be on the -686 kernel |
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| 09:00.16 | valdyn | NaufraGo: fine |
| 09:00.19 | valdyn | NaufraGo: run alsaconf |
| 09:00.41 | einsteinmg | Dewi: oh :( |
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| 09:01.17 | NaufraGo | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in ..... |
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| 09:01.38 | einsteinmg | does it work if you use pool.ntpd.org as servers? |
| 09:02.01 | valdyn | NaufraGo: ok, that's what i thought, your alsa modules off that cdrom are broken. so you have to build your own set of modules |
| 09:02.35 | valdyn | NaufraGo: 'apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source' |
| 09:03.05 | Toolboy | Valdyn Ok my past no. is ... now what? |
| 09:03.15 | valdyn | Toolboy: give me the URL |
| 09:03.37 | NaufraGo | "Now ALSA is ready to use." |
| 09:04.00 | valdyn | NaufraGo: dont think it is |
| 09:04.05 | valdyn | NaufraGo: run above command |
| 09:04.11 | Toolboy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1795 |
| 09:04.11 | NaufraGo | well |
| 09:04.18 | valdyn | NaufraGo: and run alsa 'cat /proc/asound/devices' |
| 09:04.23 | valdyn | NaufraGo: and run also 'cat /proc/asound/devices' |
| 09:04.30 | Dewi | einsteinmg: I've tried pool, a bunch of oceania servers, a bunch of north american servers |
| 09:04.37 | NaufraGo | I disabled the sound server some time ago |
| 09:04.47 | Dewi | einsteinmg: my pings are good, they are reachable, I get offsets from them, but it just never activates anything |
| 09:04.51 | Dewi | einsteinmg: apart from localhost |
| 09:04.53 | NaufraGo | before do all things you said me |
| 09:04.58 | NaufraGo | does it matter? |
| 09:05.00 | Dewi | einsteinmg: which, if I have it enabled, gets actively used instead of all other hosts |
| 09:05.02 | valdyn | Toolboy: umm i wanted to see that on the client side |
| 09:05.12 | Dewi | einsteinmg: if I disable localhost, nothing ever gets used |
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| 09:05.48 | valdyn | NaufraGo: no it doesnt, leave it disabled |
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| 09:06.26 | Toolboy | What is that princap for the client side? This is more or less what i got from the lprng doc as a basic entry for the server |
| 09:06.46 | valdyn | Toolboy: you said you had a problem printing from a client, didnt you? |
| 09:06.53 | einsteinmg | does a manual ntpdate pool.ntp.org work? |
| 09:07.19 | dpower | hey folks, im using gnump3d to stream media. I want to use an nfs mount as the serving directory, so the files are actually held on another box, ive been messing around with this but it doesnt seem to work no files appear when logging in to the mp3server |
| 09:07.32 | dpower | does anyone know if this is possible or what the problem may be |
| 09:08.34 | einsteinmg | does the nfs mount work? |
| 09:08.39 | dpower | yes |
| 09:08.47 | dominicano | dvm |
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| 09:08.56 | dominicano | are you dvm1981 |
| 09:08.59 | valdyn | Toolboy: that whole printcap file is also missing the \ after each but the last line |
| 09:09.07 | Toolboy | When I take the hash the :server line out it prints fine on my pc. when I put it in there is a problem. I`m not worried about the client that I think I will be able to sort out |
| 09:09.17 | valdyn | Toolboy: and the :\ |
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| 09:09.49 | dpower | nfs is working properly and in the mp3d config i changed the serving dir to that |
| 09:10.30 | Toolboy | Isn`t \ & :\ only for older printing systems. I saw that in a man page somewhere. Also as I said it prints fine without the : server line. |
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| 09:10.45 | NaufraGo | valdyn |
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| 09:10.55 | NaufraGo | I installed what you said to me |
| 09:10.58 | dabaR | Hi. I am supposed to install grub to the MBR, because I screwed it up. I booted knoppix, and now I would like to install grub to hda5. Would you have instructions on how to do it? |
| 09:11.05 | valdyn | Toolboy: ok i see |
| 09:11.07 | NaufraGo | and now? |
| 09:11.10 | NaufraGo | cat /proc/asound/devices ? |
| 09:11.19 | valdyn | NaufraGo: yep |
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| 09:11.35 | NaufraGo | ready |
| 09:11.37 | NaufraGo | so? |
| 09:11.44 | zethreth | If I want to put all the origional file permissions back that are set when you first install a debian system what would be the best direction to go in ? |
| 09:11.51 | Toolboy | Valdyn Im trying to make my pc the printing server. |
| 09:11.57 | valdyn | NaufraGo: what did that 'cat...' output? |
| 09:12.05 | dpower | cant seem to figure this one out |
| 09:12.14 | NaufraGo | mm |
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| 09:12.21 | ice_1963 | is youe sonund enabled ? |
| 09:12.41 | NaufraGo | you mean, the sound server? |
| 09:12.54 | valdyn | NaufraGo: waht did 'cat /proc/asound/devices' output? |
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| 09:13.01 | NaufraGo | mm |
| 09:13.16 | zethreth | Suggestions welcome |
| 09:13.18 | NaufraGo | do you want me to show you the list by query? |
| 09:13.24 | dn4 | how do I extract a .bin file? |
| 09:13.31 | cahoot | zethreth: reinstall |
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| 09:13.55 | valdyn | Toolboy: lprng has no :server |
| 09:14.19 | theD3viL | i cant do xmodmap for my nav buttons. Anyone tried? |
| 09:14.21 | NGo | valdyn, did you receive the list? |
| 09:14.56 | ice_1963 | hello NGo |
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| 09:15.00 | valdyn | NGo: ok, you do have sound... |
| 09:15.13 | NGo | but, what about kde sounds? |
| 09:15.23 | valdyn | NGo: 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav' or somesuch |
| 09:15.26 | Toolboy | Valdyn: That explains why I couldn`t find it in any docs or man pages. Do I use LPD then? |
| 09:15.57 | valdyn | Toolboy: you dont need special switches to enable the server... |
| 09:15.58 | zethreth | I would think a distro like debian with all this fancy stuff would have some way of doning this. Now that I think about it that would be a cool addon to Debian. |
| 09:16.02 | NGo | ok |
| 09:16.02 | dn4 | I have a .bin image for a cd, how do I extract that image with out making the cd? |
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| 09:16.15 | NGo | I can listen to those sounds |
| 09:16.27 | valdyn | Toolboy: there is _no_ technical difference if you print locally or from remote, only access control |
| 09:16.38 | NGo | but, for instances.. I can't listen to any sound when I minimize a window |
| 09:16.42 | NGo | do you understand me? |
| 09:17.20 | valdyn | NGo: yea, thats the sound server. Are you referring to gnome's sound server? |
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| 09:17.51 | zethreth | A program that resets all the default file permissions. You could hone in on what directories if only nead that spacific section. |
| 09:18.11 | Toolboy | Valdyn: What access control? |
| 09:18.24 | NGo | kde |
| 09:18.32 | zethreth | It's a must have for linux |
| 09:18.46 | valdyn | NGo: configure the output to alsa in the kde control center.. |
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| 09:19.06 | valdyn | Toolboy: who's allowed to print and who is not |
| 09:19.19 | NGo | there's no alsa |
| 09:19.26 | Toolboy | Yip but where do I set that |
| 09:19.33 | zethreth | You could have templates set for when you install your system |
| 09:19.49 | NGo | oh.. |
| 09:19.52 | NGo | it's there.. |
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| 09:20.04 | valdyn | Toolboy: i doubt you even need that |
| 09:20.16 | NGo | but it doesn't work |
| 09:20.26 | valdyn | Toolboy: which OS are on the clients that should access that printer? |
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| 09:21.05 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 09:21.05 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 09:21.10 | Toolboy | Valdyn All Debian |
| 09:21.20 | NGo | I can't listen to system's sounds |
| 09:21.46 | NGo | when I turn sound system on |
| 09:21.49 | NGo | by ALSA |
| 09:21.51 | zethreth | file permissions and modes |
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| 09:23.21 | cahoot | NGo: take your timefinding your way around in kde's control center |
| 09:23.32 | TBBle | zethreth: You could just dpkg -i all the packages on your system, restore them that way. |
| 09:23.33 | zethreth | I'm beginning to think that this is already a thought up thing. Who hasn't needed this. |
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| 09:24.03 | Toolboy | Valdyn: When I type lpq it tells me there is no server active. Do I not need a server running for clients to be able to print? |
| 09:24.19 | CreepingCrud | !reinstall |
| 09:24.19 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
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| 09:24.40 | valdyn | Toolboy: you dont have anything else to do with /etc/printcap |
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| 09:24.54 | TBBle | zethreth: I've never needed it, that I recall. |
| 09:24.58 | tzfardea | hello i'm using debian testing and i can't record anything, i'm using audacity |
| 09:25.19 | NaufraGo | valdyn: I can't listen to any sound, when I type "test sound" |
| 09:25.20 | tzfardea | i've already checked the alsamixer and unmuted the microphone |
| 09:25.22 | TBBle | zethreth: Oh, and you want the xargs version of that hint, the set-selections version is for something different. |
| 09:25.34 | Toolboy | Valdyn: so is the printcap file right |
| 09:25.47 | valdyn | Toolboy: however lprng should have another config file, like lprng.conf where you can set permissions |
| 09:25.54 | valdyn | Toolboy: s/lprng.conf/lpd.conf/ |
| 09:26.08 | valdyn | Toolboy: yea i guess, as long as you can print locally its fine |
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| 09:26.26 | Toolboy | Yeah i set "accept_all" there for the time being |
| 09:26.50 | cahoot | tzfardea: what alsa module? |
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| 09:26.52 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:26.53 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:27.06 | tzfardea | cahoot, i don't know :-\ , how can i check it? |
| 09:27.10 | valdyn | NaufraGo: what's the error message? |
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| 09:27.16 | NaufraGo | nothing |
| 09:27.22 | NaufraGo | but I can't listen to it |
| 09:27.24 | valdyn | NaufraGo: check your volume settings |
| 09:27.30 | NaufraGo | it's ok |
| 09:27.43 | NaufraGo | I can listen to music b amaroK |
| 09:27.49 | Toolboy | Does lpd.conf have to be in the /etc dir `coz it is currently in /etc/lprng I don`t know why? |
| 09:27.49 | cahoot | tzfardea: so you don't know if you use oss or alsa? |
| 09:27.50 | NaufraGo | listen to a game's sounds |
| 09:28.07 | tzfardea | cahoot, amm.. no |
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| 09:28.14 | NaufraGo | but the sound system's audio isn't working I guess |
| 09:28.15 | valdyn | NaufraGo: maybe kde's sound server ( artsd ) is using the wrong alsa device |
| 09:28.30 | cahoot | tzfardea: does /proc/asound exist? |
| 09:28.33 | valdyn | NaufraGo: 'default' should work though |
| 09:28.41 | valdyn | tzfardea: his sound works. |
| 09:28.45 | tzfardea | cahoot, yes |
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| 09:29.05 | NaufraGo | mm, no |
| 09:29.14 | valdyn | cahoot: ops nm, sorry |
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| 09:30.03 | dn4 | Does anyone know how to extract the data from a .bin file to a directory? |
| 09:30.17 | valdyn | NaufraGo: try 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' and tell if you hear sound |
| 09:30.30 | cahoot | tzfardea: grep -i capture /proc/asound/pcm |
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| 09:30.56 | NaufraGo | yes I do |
| 09:31.06 | NaufraGo | I want to stop it! |
| 09:31.11 | TBBle | dn4: What format is the .bin file in? |
| 09:31.13 | NaufraGo | ready |
| 09:31.13 | valdyn | NaufraGo: Ctrl-C |
| 09:31.21 | NaufraGo | mm |
| 09:31.28 | NaufraGo | my ctrl key is bad |
| 09:31.30 | NaufraGo | both |
| 09:31.42 | valdyn | NaufraGo: ps aux | grep artsd |
| 09:31.43 | dn4 | TBBle, data |
| 09:31.55 | NaufraGo | do you know if I can replace Win's key by CTRL key? |
| 09:32.11 | zethreth | TBBle: What I just thought up though, is a really good idea. You could build the program into any distro and it would log every time when you boot your sytem to a file all your settings. so that if something goes wrong with things like permissions, modes, symbolic links, etc you could simply recall it from this very simple system. |
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| 09:32.19 | tchize | Is there a debain package providing a proper initrd for kernel image 2.6 ? |
| 09:32.42 | NaufraGo | valdyn |
| 09:32.48 | NaufraGo | I typed it |
| 09:32.53 | valdyn | NaufraGo: no output? |
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| 09:33.12 | TBBle | zethreth: Oh, like the checkperms script in tiger? Or maybe it's the one that used to be in cron... Either way, there's a tool somewhere that logs file permissions each night, and tells you if any change. |
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| 09:33.28 | zethreth | Kind of like locate does for your sytem files |
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| 09:33.49 | TBBle | tchize: The initrd is generated at kernel-install time, using initrd-tools, or initramfs-tools or yaird for 2.6.15+ |
| 09:33.58 | NGo | valdyn, did you received the list? |
| 09:34.06 | valdyn | NGo: no |
| 09:34.24 | tzfardea | cahoot, http://pastebin.com/549554 |
| 09:34.29 | NGo | now? |
| 09:35.01 | valdyn | NGo: try setting arts to oss, see if that works |
| 09:35.35 | NGo | it doesn't |
| 09:35.54 | CreepingCrud | the initrd is generated at kernel compile time |
| 09:36.11 | valdyn | NGo: ok, your sound is obviously ok, your artsd is running but not outputting sound, maybe log out and back in |
| 09:36.18 | tchize | TBBle: the problem is generated initrd awfully fail at run time :) |
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| 09:36.37 | NGo | ok |
| 09:36.38 | cahoot | tzfardea: well we've established you use alsa :), try arecord -t wav test.wav |
| 09:36.47 | valdyn | NGo: maybe kde sounds are deactivated or just its volume turned down. im not familiar with kde... |
| 09:36.49 | TBBle | tchize: Yuck. How fails, and which tool and kernel? |
| 09:36.57 | NGo | ok |
| 09:37.05 | NGo | I leave it in alsa? |
| 09:37.13 | NGo | oss? |
| 09:37.31 | valdyn | NGo: alsa |
| 09:37.40 | cahoot | tzfardea: then aplay test.wav |
| 09:37.54 | tchize | tried initrd-tools and initramfs-tools, and it fails with bunch of udev messages, followed by lots of 'permission denied' then syslogd take 2 minutes to start, and finally i am droped in a console where i can do pretty nothing |
| 09:38.03 | NGo | and.. |
| 09:38.18 | Daemon666 | anyone know why i get loads of "file not found" when I do "apt-get update"? I havent changed my sources.list, im running Sarge |
| 09:38.18 | NGo | what can I do with the other kernels's image? |
| 09:38.41 | valdyn | NGo: i'd just leave it alone, having 2 alternative kernels isnt bad. |
| 09:38.44 | tzfardea | cahoot, i hear only a noise |
| 09:38.55 | tchize | this is funny because i never used udev, i wonder why it tries to use it |
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| 09:39.39 | cahoot | tzfardea: the noise not being what you put into the mic whilst recording? |
| 09:39.43 | TBBle | Uh, initramfs-tools depends on udev. Try yaird if you want to not use udev. |
| 09:39.47 | tzfardea | cahoot, no |
| 09:40.01 | tchize | ok |
| 09:40.02 | tchize | trying |
| 09:40.03 | tzfardea | cahoot, and also when i'm saying something to the microphone i hear it in the speakers, it's ok? |
| 09:40.09 | NGo | ok |
| 09:40.14 | NGo | I'll restart this... |
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| 09:40.25 | cahoot | tzfardea: got a capture setting to play with in alsamixer |
| 09:40.26 | CreepingCrud | Daemon666: maybe you might need to change your sources.list then |
| 09:40.56 | tzfardea | cahoot, where it is? |
| 09:41.13 | tchize | TBBle: seems yaird is already installed |
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| 09:41.18 | cahoot | tzfardea: that was meant as a question really |
| 09:41.46 | tzfardea | cahoot, i don't have capture there |
| 09:42.03 | Daemon666 | CreepingCrud - i guessed that, but to what? where do I find a new list of sources? |
| 09:42.04 | Felina | GM, i have just installd etch , and i need new sorce list how can i get this ? |
| 09:42.21 | cahoot | tzfardea: you've scrolled sideways in alsamixer? |
| 09:42.24 | tzfardea | cahoot, you mean in the view line where the mic is selected? i have there: "[Playback] Capture All" |
| 09:42.50 | tzfardea | cahoot, yes |
| 09:43.14 | zethreth | Daemon666:debian mirrors |
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| 09:43.23 | cahoot | tzfardea: you can try tggling the capture setting see if it makes a difference |
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| 09:43.37 | tzfardea | cahoot, how do i select capture? |
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| 09:43.52 | TBBle | tchize: But is yaird being used to generate the image? I think initramfs-tools gets preference. |
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| 09:44.22 | Toolboy | Valdyn??? |
| 09:44.38 | tzfardea | cahoot, oh i found it |
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| 09:45.00 | dn4 | how do I compile a .c file? |
| 09:45.06 | tzfardea | cahoot, to set the capture to 100? |
| 09:45.19 | Greatred | gcc foo.c -o foo |
| 09:45.34 | cahoot | tzfardea: feel free to test |
| 09:45.38 | tchize | TBBle: i uninstalled initramfs-tools, is mkinitrd supposed to use yaird? |
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| 09:46.01 | tchize | as doing a dpkg-reconfigure on kenrel-image doesn't seem to rebuild the initrd |
| 09:46.34 | TBBle | Uh, no. mkinitrd is its own thing... |
| 09:46.35 | tzfardea | cahoot, i set the capture to 100 and it's still doesn't working |
| 09:46.40 | TBBle | Try update-initrd. |
| 09:47.16 | dn4 | Where can I get bin2iso for debian?? |
| 09:48.13 | tchize | ok |
| 09:48.27 | TBBle | dn4: Google, as I recall. Unless apt-cache search has it? |
| 09:48.51 | tchize | damn i uninstalled the kernel and now trying to reinstall it and it says initramfs-tools will be installed along :'( |
| 09:48.54 | Greatred | apt-cache search bin2iso doesn't bring anything up for me on sid |
| 09:48.55 | dn4 | TBBle, google leads me to .c files of bin2iso there is no .deb file tha tI can find and apt-cache search is un worthy |
| 09:49.18 | TBBle | dn4: Well, grab the .c file and compile it. |
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| 09:50.00 | XoR | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 09:50.15 | XoR | howto fix it ??? |
| 09:50.36 | XoR | debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (Can't locate overload.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8...... |
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| 09:50.55 | tchize | TBBle: ok, with yaird it fails awfully |
| 09:51.06 | dn4 | TBBle, I founda program debian supports called bchunk |
| 09:51.07 | TBBle | tchize: What version of the kernel? |
| 09:51.15 | dn4 | TBBle, just now found it |
| 09:51.17 | TBBle | dn4: Good to know. |
| 09:51.33 | dn4 | TBBle, yeah debian stopped supporting the bin2iso |
| 09:51.34 | dn4 | :( |
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| 09:51.51 | tchize | it says 'failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernal version 2.6.15-1-k7 on running kernel 2.4.22 in mkinitramfs mkinitrd.yaird |
| 09:52.46 | TBBle | Ah, yes... I think you need to be on a 2.6 kernel to use it... There's a page in the wiki about it... I think you're in a hard place... Hmm. |
| 09:52.46 | Toolboy | Thanx all |
| 09:53.13 | tchize | TBBle: ok so i need to be on a 2.6 kernel if i want to upgrade to 2.6 kernel?? :( |
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| 09:53.51 | TBBle | tchize: Hmm, quite possibly... I can't think of a way around it, if yaird won't do it. mkinitramfs-tools certainly won't, and mkinitrd won't, as far as I recall. |
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| 09:54.16 | tchize | TBBle: how did other people do the upgrade to 2.6 then? |
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| 09:55.19 | TBBle | tchize: They did it on Sarge, where the 2.6 kernel could run with a mkinitrd kernel. (I guess)... Is there an older 2.6 kernel in the archive? I think 2.6.15 is the first one to require initramfs. Otherwise, upgrade to 2.6.8 from Sarge first... |
| 09:55.55 | tchize | mm sarge is stable? |
| 09:56.33 | Greatred | yus |
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| 09:56.47 | TBBle | tchize: Yes. |
| 09:56.57 | tchize | because i was told 2 days ago not to mix stable and unstable |
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| 09:57.42 | tchize | (unfortunately no olde 2.6 in archive) |
| 09:58.31 | TBBle | tchize: Every rule has exceptions. ^_^ You can almost certainly use the 2.6 kernel from sarge on unstable. There's no requirement in the Sarge->anything upgrade to reboot. |
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| 09:59.14 | ringo999 | hi there. im trying to install skype. apt-cache search cant find it, even though i listed non-free and contrib in my sources.list |
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| 09:59.46 | TBBle | ringo999: It's not in the Debian archive, last time I looked. You have to find the .deb on the 'net, and hope for the best. |
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| 10:00.19 | crypt_ex | If I wanted to try Kde 3.5, is there anyway I can check this out without compiling from source? I am on Sarge and have already checked out Backports. |
| 10:00.26 | tchize | TBBle: download it from skype.com :) |
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| 10:00.34 | nathan_ | ringo999, the install from the skype website works just fine :) |
| 10:00.41 | theD3viL | i cant do xmodmap for my nav buttons. Anyone tried? |
| 10:00.49 | Dwonis | ringo999: If you're running unstable, you probably don't want the .deb (it had dependency problems for me). Get the .tar.bz2 file instead. |
| 10:01.07 | ringo999 | Dwonis: right, i just figured that out ;) |
| 10:01.44 | ringo999 | Dwonis: yeawh, but there is not much i can do. lots of my friends use skype... |
| 10:02.04 | Dwonis | ringo999: Yeah. My friends don't use it, but I needed it to talk to a customer. |
| 10:02.33 | Supaplex | how can I add or modify an initrd image (file says it's a compressed rom file system) |
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| 10:02.43 | ringo999 | Dwonis: should i get dynamic or static binary (with QT3.2 compiled in) |
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| 10:03.09 | delire_zz | ringo999: the static works perfectly well IMO |
| 10:03.12 | ringo999 | Dwonis: sorry, got it |
| 10:03.23 | Dwonis | ringo999: If the dynamic one works, you'll probably save RAM by using it. |
| 10:03.31 | Dwonis | ringo999: I used the static one :) |
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| 10:03.58 | TBBle | Supaplex: You can't. You extract it, modify that, and then recompress it into a cramfs. |
| 10:04.19 | crypt_ex | If upgrade to the unstable tree, can I ever downgrade back to Sarge? |
| 10:04.23 | crypt_ex | If I |
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| 10:05.04 | delire | ringo999: have you looked at ekiga? http://freshmeat.net/projects/ekiga/ apparently it can 'converse' with skype perfectly well. |
| 10:05.38 | ringo999 | delire: really? thats awesome |
| 10:05.56 | Shad0wS | hy i am a begginer in linux i have debian where can i download a c++ compiler... gcc |
| 10:06.14 | delire | Shad0wS: apt-get install gcc |
| 10:06.30 | azeem | delire: are you sure about that skype interoperability? |
| 10:06.38 | azeem | AFAIK it doesn't |
| 10:07.06 | delire | azeem: as i said, apparently.. it was recommended to me on that basis. looking at the page now.. |
| 10:07.22 | _rene_ | Shad0wS: apt-get install g++ |
| 10:07.29 | Shad0wS | thx |
| 10:07.36 | _rene_ | delire: he said c++, so g++ |
| 10:07.54 | ringo999 | delire: ekiga, formerly known as gnomemeeting? how do i get it to interact with skype? |
| 10:07.54 | delire | _rene_: oops.. cheers. |
| 10:08.56 | delire | ringo999: i'm not sure about the interaction with skype, i was told it was possible. i'm not sure myself. looking into it now as currently a bit frustrated with skype myself.. |
| 10:08.57 | ringo999 | delire: do i just get the packages from the gnomemeeting homepage? |
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| 10:09.04 | Dwonis | http://www.gnomemeeting.org/index.php?rub=3&pos=0&faqpage=index.html#AEN21 |
| 10:09.15 | Dwonis | "GnomeMeeting is not compatible with Skype and will never be as long as their protocol will stay proprietary." |
| 10:09.19 | ringo999 | delire: would be cool if it would work |
| 10:09.24 | delire | ringo999: i'd say it's in the debian repo. |
| 10:09.44 | denis76 | mini.iso for amd64 cannot inizialize ramdisk on startup. |
| 10:09.45 | ejofee | computer A has public ip and gives internet access to computers B, C, D (which are under nating). what is the iptables command line that i should run on computer A which makes it possible for me to host a site on computer C (192.168.16.103) and still be accessible from the internet? |
| 10:09.49 | delire | ringo999: Dwonis: looks like a case of false reccomendation.. sorry! |
| 10:10.04 | ringo999 | delire: ok. np |
| 10:10.21 | Dwonis | delire: Well, you'd still have to check. It wouldn't be the first time that old documentation says "this is not supported" when it is. |
| 10:10.32 | Dwonis | delire: But I doubt it :) |
| 10:10.53 | ringo999 | delire: Dwonis: one other thing about skype that sucks is natively works with the old oss...i still havent really figured out how to make it work with alsa via "aoss" |
| 10:11.12 | Supaplex | ejofee: man iptables, search for DNAT/SNAT (I get them mixed up all the time, but it's there iirc) |
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| 10:12.04 | ejofee | Supaplex: should i also take care of the tcp wrappers on A, or only on C? |
| 10:12.06 | delire | ringo999: it doesn't play all that nicely with ALSA.. i cannot take a skype call and listen to music at the same time here (as silly as that sounds anyway). even with dmix.. |
| 10:12.36 | ejofee | Supaplex: which hosts.deny / hosts.allow actually matters? A's or C's? |
| 10:12.49 | ringo999 | delire: thats what im saying...is there any way to get it to work like this? damn, skype sucks |
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| 10:12.55 | delire | Dwonis: reading that page i would doubt it too.. that said while proprietary, at least they are handing around a compatibility lib for others to develop with: http://www.icebrains-soft.com/skype_library_0 |
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| 10:13.23 | Supaplex | ejofee: the final destination thinks the outside internet is accessing it, so C |
| 10:13.38 | ejofee | Supaplex: thank you! |
| 10:14.09 | delire | ringo999: this is why i starting looking for replacements.. a friend told me about ekiga on the basis that it interacts with skype (which friends and family use).. if that's not the case then i'll be forced to have a skype installation sadly.. |
| 10:14.55 | Supaplex | ejofee: np. at anyrate, tias would apply. :) |
| 10:15.39 | oskie | hello world... |
| 10:16.03 | oskie | there's X.org 7? and debian has 6.8? |
| 10:16.16 | deadcat | oskie: 6.9 in sid. |
| 10:16.21 | deadcat | and no 7 |
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| 10:16.39 | Supaplex | I heard oskie's willing to help fix that |
| 10:16.40 | deadcat | if you want 7 build it yourself. |
| 10:16.49 | deadcat | good for him/her/it (= |
| 10:16.54 | keikoz | bjour à tous |
| 10:16.58 | ejofee | does port 65555 exist? |
| 10:17.04 | deadcat | ejofee: try it |
| 10:17.05 | ejofee | or is it out of range? |
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| 10:17.14 | ejofee | deadcat: please tell me the range |
| 10:17.14 | Greatred | 65535 is highest |
| 10:17.23 | deadcat | ejofee: i dont know |
| 10:17.24 | Supaplex | !256*265 |
| 10:17.25 | dpkg | 67840 |
| 10:17.31 | ejofee | Greatred: thank you! |
| 10:17.33 | Supaplex | !256*256 |
| 10:17.33 | dpkg | 65536 |
| 10:17.38 | ejofee | Supaplex: right |
| 10:17.41 | tchize | TBBle: ok i did as suggested |
| 10:17.45 | Supaplex | and 0 technically counts, but isn't used |
| 10:17.45 | Dwonis | !2**64 |
| 10:17.45 | ejofee | Supaplex: forgot about that |
| 10:17.45 | dpkg | 18446744073709551616 |
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| 10:17.58 | TBBle | tchize: Did it work? |
| 10:18.00 | tchize | TBBle: i installe 2.6.8, started it, and instaleld 2.6.15 from it using yaird |
| 10:18.25 | Dwonis | Uh oh. Will I break dpkg if I feed it "2**64**64"? |
| 10:18.33 | tchize | now at 2.6.15 startup i get (/usr/lib/yaird/exec/run_init: opening console: permission denied :s |
| 10:18.43 | deadcat | !2**64**64 |
| 10:18.44 | dpkg | inf |
| 10:18.45 | deadcat | happy? |
| 10:18.50 | Supaplex | lol |
| 10:18.53 | Dwonis | deadcat: yup! :) |
| 10:19.08 | TBBle | tchize: OK. Install udev in 2.6.8 and use mkinitramfs-tools. |
| 10:19.09 | tchize | TBBLE: so i bet it still dos not work :) |
| 10:19.23 | tchize | TBBle: giving a try :) |
| 10:19.23 | Supaplex | !2**96 |
| 10:19.24 | dpkg | 79228162514264337593543950336 |
| 10:19.30 | Supaplex | only a few |
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| 10:19.43 | TBBle | Almost 8 gazillion? |
| 10:19.50 | m4ur1g10 | hi |
| 10:19.58 | Supaplex | yeh :) |
| 10:20.05 | Dwonis | but some of those are probably wasted as broadcast addresses ;) |
| 10:20.12 | m4ur1g10 | does anyone know if there exists a graphical fstab manager in gnome? |
| 10:20.18 | Dwonis | gvim ? |
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| 10:20.55 | Supaplex | heh |
| 10:21.08 | Dwonis | m4ur1g10: I think I've seen one, at least in other distros, but I don't know what it's called off-hand. |
| 10:21.19 | UltraSub | Hi guys.. I'm having a huge problem here. Got a new system, went from Celeron 366 to AMD64. Everything went fine. Now when I recompile a kernel, and change whatever, when it reboots there are permission denied errors for writing on hda. Also mdadm can't find devices hde and hdg for starting md2. However, the drives are all there and working! Reassembling the array by hand works too. |
| 10:21.23 | UltraSub | The strange thing here is, when i recompile the current kernel, with the same .config, and same source as is running flawlessly right now, at reboot with the "new" kernel I get excactly the same. I'm flabbergasted.. Does somebody have an idea about what's wrong here? |
| 10:21.25 | crypt_ex | I am wanting to upgrade to testing from Sarge, however dpkg says something the testing security line in sources.list, what do I add in this line? |
| 10:21.30 | Shad0wS | how can i install the sendmail and pine ? |
| 10:21.46 | tchize | Wow |
| 10:21.55 | coolpix | oi |
| 10:22.05 | delire | Shad0wS: 'apt-get install sendmail pine'? |
| 10:22.07 | deadcat | Shad0wS: apt-get |
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| 10:22.12 | deadcat | and no pine |
| 10:22.12 | Dwonis | m4ur1g10: but seriously, if you're messing with /etc/fstab, you can afford to learn how to use a text editor :) |
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| 10:22.19 | crypt_ex | Shad0wS, people still use Sendmail? |
| 10:22.20 | m4ur1g10 | ehehe |
| 10:22.28 | m4ur1g10 | yeah dwonis i know |
| 10:22.41 | tchize | i get e big message when removing hotplog as part of udev install, i get a **** Please purge the hotplug package! *** |
| 10:22.44 | oskie | deadcat: apt-cache show xserver-xorg shows 6.8.2.dfsg.1-11 here.. |
| 10:22.45 | m4ur1g10 | however i'm a bit lazy ;) |
| 10:22.45 | ringo999 | i installed a prog and uninstalled it again (using dpkg). but the link to the prog is still in the gnome applications menu. how do i get rid of it? how do i edit that menu? (gnome 2.12 latest) |
| 10:22.48 | delire | right.. there is no pine these days is there.. |
| 10:22.56 | tchize | what does that mean? |
| 10:22.59 | Shad0wS | hey i`m a beginer crypt_ex :) now i`m learning |
| 10:23.03 | deadcat | oskie: i said SID |
| 10:23.07 | TBBle | Hmm. Maybe there's an outstanding bug somewhere in the kernel-install-toolchain at the moment? |
| 10:23.09 | delire | ringo999: it should be be removed when you log out and in again. |
| 10:23.11 | oskie | deadcat: i am sid .. unstable .. amd64 |
| 10:23.17 | Supaplex | apt-get install mutt ; echo 'alias pine=mutt' >> .bashrc |
| 10:23.36 | TBBle | tchize: That means you need to purge (dpkg -P or apt-get remove --purge) hotplug, or its scripts will interfere with udev's scripts for the same functionality. |
| 10:23.41 | oskie | deadcat: wait, sorry..that's my currently installed version |
| 10:23.46 | deadcat | ii xserver-xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 the X.Org X server |
| 10:24.22 | delire | Shad0wS: pine is awful anyway. use mutt.. |
| 10:24.30 | crypt_ex | Shad0wS, have a look at Qmail if your up for a challenge ;) |
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| 10:24.49 | Shad0wS | wait guys :) let`s take it step by step :) |
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| 10:25.13 | deadcat | Supaplex: if he can apt-get it would be easier just ln -s /usr/bin/mutt /usr/local/bin/pine |
| 10:25.23 | tchize | strange, why are scrpt not remove as part of the remove processs. If i uninstall a package, woudln't it be obvious associated scripts are removed along? |
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| 10:25.28 | Supaplex | I've gathered, by an partial howto, and dpkg's initrd factoid that I need to use initrd (which is ok by me) to manage a rootfs in soft raid+lvm. Question is, how, and what's the bare essentials needed to pull it off? |
| 10:25.38 | Dwonis | delire: I think pine was removed since potato |
| 10:25.44 | Shad0wS | now how can i restrict the mail send from an user... so he can not send emails ? |
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| 10:26.32 | delire | Dwonis: around the last time i used it in fact.. |
| 10:26.37 | TBBle | tchize: Not if they're in /etc. That makes them configuration files, and so not removed until purge. |
| 10:26.53 | oskie | installing xserver-xorg 6.9 will remove nvidia-glx :/ |
| 10:27.10 | delire | tchize: a dpkg -P may help there.. |
| 10:27.17 | TBBle | oskie: Maybe your nvidia-glx needs upgrading? |
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| 10:28.13 | CreepingCrud | Daemon666: just use ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org or use apt-spy |
| 10:28.15 | oskie | TBBle: but there's no upgrade AFAIK.. |
| 10:28.20 | CreepingCrud | !info apt-spy |
| 10:28.23 | R3d | I installed debian (I'm a noob) and when I type $PATH it writes: bash:the default dir (I looked on the Debian page) and a the end: No such file or directory |
| 10:28.26 | R3d | what's wrong? |
| 10:28.30 | dpkg | apt-spy: (writes a sources.list file based on bandwidth tests), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.1-14 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 10:28.40 | TBBle | oskie: Weird. I've got xserver-org 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 and nvidia-glx 1.0.8178-1 installed here OK. |
| 10:28.40 | tchize | TBBle: strange, why keep them if they are not needed anymore? :) |
| 10:28.59 | TBBle | tchize: Because they may have been locally modified, and you might want to reinstall to get the same settings. |
| 10:29.14 | TBBle | tchize: You can if you like enable always-purging in apt-get's configuration. |
| 10:29.14 | Supaplex | looks like http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/02/msg05104.html is answering my questions re root lvm2 |
| 10:29.33 | oskie | TBBle: hmm I have only nvidia-glx 1.0.7174-3 available.. maybe it's an amd64 thing |
| 10:29.33 | delire | R3d: what does the contents of /etc/profile reveal? see the third line.. |
| 10:29.41 | tchize | TBBle: i thought dpkg was already checking for files modifications |
| 10:29.55 | tchize | ok |
| 10:29.58 | Supaplex | !beg |
| 10:30.06 | TBBle | oskie: Maybe... |
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| 10:30.07 | tchize | back to startup square :) |
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| 10:30.14 | delire | R3d: paste the contents of this file in a pastebin. |
| 10:30.19 | TBBle | tchize: Huh? Not really, no. |
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| 10:30.41 | TBBle | tchize: It checks for conffile changes, but not all configuration files. |
| 10:30.41 | tchize | well it does on update, so i thought it would do it on remove too :) |
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| 10:31.12 | tchize | so, initramfs-tools still fails, even if ran from 2.6.8 kernel :/ |
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| 10:32.08 | Shad0wS | now how can i restrict the mail send from an user... so he can not send emails ? |
| 10:32.10 | oskie | grr.. after many years, amd64 is still not in unstable - or am I wrong? |
| 10:32.14 | TBBle | With udev running? Weird-ass... Maybe it's currently broken. Checked the BTS? |
| 10:32.20 | TBBle | oskie: Yes. |
| 10:32.33 | tchize | TBBle: well udev is not runing, it's just installed |
| 10:32.42 | Dwonis | Shad0wS: I don't know of any way off-hand. It would depend on what mailserver you're using, and how it's set up. |
| 10:32.54 | tchize | it won't run as udev requires kernel >=2.6.12 |
| 10:32.57 | TBBle | tchize: Ah, you need it running. mkinitramfs-tools uses the running udev to identify drivers for the root device etc. |
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| 10:33.12 | TBBle | tchize: Gah... udev from stable? |
| 10:33.12 | Dwonis | Shad0wS: Or, you could take LART the user's fingers :) |
| 10:33.17 | R3d | delire, http://rafb.net/paste/results/qp3Jzn47.html |
| 10:33.19 | tchize | mm no |
| 10:33.23 | tchize | unstable i guess |
| 10:33.33 | tchize | how do i downgrade it to stable? |
| 10:34.01 | ft | tchize: you reinstall :) |
| 10:34.25 | delire | R3d: odd, looks fine to me. if you 'echo $PATH' what is the output? post it here if just a line.. |
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| 10:34.45 | TBBle | tchize: Purge it first, then install the stable version... You might need to reinstall hotplug too. >_< |
| 10:35.12 | tchize | TBBle: ok, but how do i install the stable version apt-get install will use the unstable :/ |
| 10:35.19 | Dwonis | R3d: Is that /etc/profile file from a Debian system? I've never seen the "if `id -u` = 0..." statement on a Debian machine. |
| 10:35.26 | crypt_ex | tchize, you on unstable? |
| 10:35.35 | deadcat | damn almost used up 25 dvd+r's today. |
| 10:35.39 | TBBle | tchize: apt-get -t stable if you have stable in your sources.list... Or udev=xxx where xxx is the version in stable. |
| 10:35.54 | oskie | hm.. overload.pm seems to be gone |
| 10:36.04 | TBBle | oskie: Someone else showed that up earlier... |
| 10:36.05 | tchize | ok |
| 10:36.12 | R3d | Dwonis, yes it debian |
| 10:36.17 | R3d | I just installed it.. |
| 10:36.24 | R3d | and have problem with xwpe |
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| 10:36.33 | delire | tchize: from memory i had to purge hotplug, install udev and then install hotplug.. i also had to poke around with hotplug init.d scripts to get them to play nice together. |
| 10:36.41 | R3d | something's wrong with my PATH |
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| 10:36.55 | Dwonis | R3d: You know, $PATH is not a command. Just typing "$PATH" at the command-line won't work |
| 10:37.00 | R3d | echo returns this: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 10:37.16 | delire | R3d: well that looks ok to me.. |
| 10:37.20 | tchize | ok rebooting with stable hotplug |
| 10:37.35 | oskie | TBBle: ah ok.. I copied it back from 5.8.8-2, fixes things |
| 10:37.46 | TBBle | I sense a new chapter of the release notes.... "Before upgrading to Etch, upgrade Sarge to 2.6 and install udev. The put udev on hold until you have installed and booted to 2.6.whateveretchruns" |
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| 10:37.49 | Dwonis | R3d: How did you install it? |
| 10:37.54 | R3d | but when install xwpe with apt..it seems ok (no warnings or errors) |
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| 10:38.12 | R3d | then when I try xwpe or wpe..the command doesn't exist.. |
| 10:38.13 | Dwonis | R3d: By "it", I mean Debian |
| 10:38.36 | R3d | Dwonis, I know I was talking about my problem.. |
| 10:38.42 | R3d | Dwonis, netinstall |
| 10:38.45 | delire | R3d: is that from a debian repo? maybe it's installed to /usr/sbin (if relevant) or /opt/ if built from an rpm. |
| 10:39.01 | R3d | how do I know where it is installed? |
| 10:39.06 | R3d | locate desn't woirk |
| 10:39.13 | delire | R3d: updatedb |
| 10:39.23 | delire | R3d: try 'whereis xwpe' |
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| 10:39.35 | R3d | [11:39] <delire> R3d: updatedb ? |
| 10:39.35 | delire | though that may depend on it being within your path |
| 10:39.44 | omry | is is possible to only allow ssh root login from specific hosts? |
| 10:39.48 | Dwonis | delire, R3d: the xwpe package is broken |
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| 10:39.51 | tchize | damned |
| 10:39.58 | delire | Dwonis: oh... |
| 10:40.16 | delire | Dwonis: just discovered this? |
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| 10:40.26 | tchize | linux-image-2.6.15 requires initramfs-tools which requires me to upgrade to unstable udev which won't run in my 2.6.8 kernel :/ |
| 10:40.41 | TBBle | tchize: *cries* Try yaird again? |
| 10:40.41 | Dwonis | delire, R3d: I just installed version 1.5.29a-4, and all it has is the stuff in /usr/share/doc, and a single /usr/share/menu/xwpe |
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| 10:40.54 | delire | Dwonis: hah, how stupid. |
| 10:41.23 | tchize | stable yaird? |
| 10:41.24 | delire | R3d: you have just found a broken package. your responsibility to contact the package maintainer. bad luck, very rare ;) |
| 10:41.40 | TBBle | Does xwpe package maybe suggest a particular binary package, xwpe-something? |
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| 10:42.13 | TBBle | tchize: I have no idea. I've never used yaird. |
| 10:42.34 | tchize | seems to accept building using the stable yaird |
| 10:42.35 | Dwonis | R3d: In the meantime, you can run "apt-get install xwpe=1.5.29a-3" |
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| 10:42.44 | Dwonis | TBBle: Suggests: gdb |
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| 10:43.01 | TBBle | OK. It's boned then. And sounds like it was hard. |
| 10:43.25 | tchize | TBBle: still same problem with yaird :) |
| 10:43.37 | SamePaul | can someone help to install xserver? |
| 10:43.49 | delire | R3d: are you looking for a graphical programming environment generally or xwpe in particular? |
| 10:44.09 | tchize | Now i think i know why i never used the debian stock kernels |
| 10:44.12 | TBBle | tchize: You're boned. Keep poking around until someone solves it? Or bulid a cutom kernel that doesn't need an initrd. |
| 10:44.35 | R3d | Dwonis, it doesn't exist |
| 10:44.42 | R3d | delire, in general |
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| 10:44.59 | tchize | (this all doen"t give a good image of linxu to my family btw ;) ) |
| 10:45.30 | delire | SamePaul: 'apt-get install xserver-common xserver-xorg' |
| 10:45.32 | TBBle | tchize: That's true. This is a surprising and painful oversight... Hmm. What's in etch? |
| 10:45.50 | laoye | howdy, where do i get the version of mplayer-plugin for firefox1.5? it is not in 'testing'. |
| 10:45.57 | SamePaul | delire: tanks. will be back in a hour :) |
| 10:46.08 | delire | tchize: i wouldn't setup a family machine with debian unstable anyway, or stable for that matter. set them up with a desktop specific debian derivative.. |
| 10:46.09 | TBBle | laoye: I'd presume the same place you got mplayer, which is also not in testing. |
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| 10:46.42 | tchize | delire: 3 years ago when i installed it there wasn't lots of alternative to debian :) |
| 10:47.03 | tchize | except mandrake and such |
| 10:47.12 | tchize | (or maybe i installed 5 years ago, don't remember) |
| 10:47.14 | laoye | i got mplayer fr 'testing' non-free, no plugin there for 1.5. |
| 10:47.14 | peterS | tchize: 3 years ago there were about 250 Linux distributions |
| 10:47.22 | delire | R3d: if you've come from VisualStudio you might like http://kdevelop.org . alternatively i'd suggest vim or emacs as accomplished IDE's. |
| 10:47.26 | Dwonis | R3d: I think you have to pull the older version of xwpe from sarge |
| 10:47.38 | SamePaul | delire:"couldn't find package xserver-xorg" |
| 10:47.51 | tchize | 3 years ago i didn't have to do tricky things to get the debian to work :) |
| 10:47.57 | deadcat | SamePaul: because you're on stable? |
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| 10:48.24 | SamePaul | deadcat: maybe |
| 10:48.29 | delire | tchize: i moves my family over to Ubuntu, a system they can actually maintain while having 'current' desktop and productivity applications. they rave about it. |
| 10:48.43 | laoye | tchize: i got mplayer fr 'testing' non-free, no plugin there for firefox1.5. |
| 10:48.52 | TBBle | laoye: If you found mplayer in testing, we have real issues. Because none of the other scripts can find it there. |
| 10:48.54 | deadcat | delire: what do they use it for? |
| 10:49.00 | delire | tchize: you are having extra-ordinary problems IMO. debian is not tricky to maintain or install for that matter. |
| 10:49.07 | R3d | couse I'm already asking so many thing..can someone help me with sources.list (I havent' touched them yet) I would like to install mplayer and java.. |
| 10:49.19 | R3d | what should I put in it? |
| 10:49.24 | Dwonis | R3d: Are you going to file a bug report against xwpe about this? I want to make sure that it gets filed one way or another. :) |
| 10:49.27 | TBBle | delire: I dunno if these are extra-ordinary. I've hit the same pain, but before the initramfs-only kernels hit unstable. |
| 10:49.27 | deadcat | !tell R3d about marillat |
| 10:49.31 | deadcat | !tell R3d about java |
| 10:49.31 | laoye | tchize: in the non-free contrib repo |
| 10:49.32 | delire | deadcat: syncing with ipod, scanning, printing, IM, editing images, browsing, p2p and installing fun stuff. |
| 10:49.36 | tchize | delire: it was, as time goes i get more and more problems with debian :) |
| 10:49.45 | Dwonis | R3d: For java, install "java-package" |
| 10:49.49 | deadcat | delire: damn. thats nice.. gtkipod? |
| 10:49.54 | delire | TBBle: right.. |
| 10:49.55 | Dwonis | R3d: Then you can use make-jpkg |
| 10:49.58 | delire | deadcat: yep.. |
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| 10:50.01 | deadcat | nice nice |
| 10:50.04 | tchize | the fact i didn't switch thie comp to ubuntu is because i saw no intereste it reinstalling everything :) |
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| 10:50.14 | R3d | Dwonis, I can report it ..just tell me what to do :) |
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| 10:50.29 | TBBle | tchize: I think your best bet is to find out why yaird doesn't work, and fix it. |
| 10:50.39 | deadcat | delire: i guess gnome is good enough to mount and umount devices like usb and stuff right? automount |
| 10:50.52 | delire | deadcat: took around an hour to install and another to upgrade. one script sets ups Java, all codecs, browser movie plugins etc. dreamy really for desktop users. |
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| 10:51.01 | Dwonis | R3d: The easiest thing to do is to install the version of xwpe that's broken, install reportbug, and then run reportbug. |
| 10:51.07 | delire | deadcat: all automount. tried with three different cameras. |
| 10:51.45 | deadcat | delire: nice.. wheres the script? |
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| 10:52.15 | tchize | grmpf and i can't stick with 2.6.8 kernel |
| 10:52.18 | delire | deadcat: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=114251 |
| 10:52.24 | Shad0wS | when i make apt-get install apache it gave me an error... why ? |
| 10:52.35 | deadcat | delire: because when i try to introduce people to linux, they want this and that so i just end up telling them to stick with windows (= |
| 10:52.39 | TBBle | laoye: Nope, I don't see mplayer in the non-free section of the Debian archive server. |
| 10:52.42 | tchize | NVidia complains it can't install because modversions.h does not exist in kernel header |
| 10:52.47 | Dwonis | R3d: In this case would be useful to include the output of "dpkg -L xwpe" with the bug report :) |
| 10:53.00 | tchize | ok, thanks for help, i think i'll remove that debian |
| 10:53.13 | tchize | RIP :) |
| 10:53.20 | tchize | bye all and thanks for you time |
| 10:53.25 | R3d | Dwonis, ok I'll try |
| 10:53.25 | delire | deadcat: this is where Ubuntu (we're getting very OT BTW ;) is important.. |
| 10:53.30 | delire | tchize: ouch.. |
| 10:53.32 | TBBle | No wuckers tchize , sorry we couldn't work it out.. |
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| 10:53.49 | deadcat | delire: yeep |
| 10:53.54 | TBBle | Ah, found the relevant bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=349354 |
| 10:54.31 | delire | TBBle: a tad late :| |
| 10:54.44 | TBBle | delire: I only just thought to look. Doesn't matter, there's no resolution yet. |
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| 10:55.13 | delire | TBBle: nothing worse than family or potential 'convert' looking on while you sweat in a gridlock ;) |
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| 10:55.37 | delire | TBBle: happened to be during the last ABI transition ;) |
| 10:55.40 | TBBle | delire: Yeah. Oh well, I hope Ubuntu works for him. At least he's close then. |
| 10:55.42 | delire | s/be/me |
| 10:55.51 | deadcat | delire: whats the latest automatix version? |
| 10:55.56 | TBBle | delire: Yuck. -_- |
| 10:56.00 | delire | TBBle: a safe bet for desktop users.. |
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| 10:56.27 | Supaplex | !caffinate me |
| 10:56.59 | TBBle | delire: I'll take your word for it. |
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| 10:57.06 | delire | deadcat: i don't know.. developers reccomend this however.. a competitor that apparently doesn't break security policies: http://placelibre.ath.cx/keyes/index.php/2005/10/27/65-easy-ubuntu-24-beta |
| 10:57.23 | delire | deadcat: again very OT here .. ;) |
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| 10:58.17 | SamePaul | is there any way to install automatically all dependencies? |
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| 10:58.29 | Dwonis | !apt |
| 10:58.30 | dpkg | it has been said that apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. Unless you referring to Sun's 'Annotation Processing Tool', which ... does not 'kick ass.', or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
| 10:58.42 | bbrazil | SamePaul: apt-get install packagename |
| 10:59.01 | SamePaul | bbrazil: it does not work |
| 10:59.17 | bbrazil | SamePaul: that will refuse to work unless all the dependancies are there |
| 10:59.18 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 10:59.19 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 10:59.36 | SamePaul | bbrazil: reports long list of "not installed packages" and stops |
| 10:59.43 | laoye | tchize: deb ftp://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib. leave out 'jp' to access repo. |
| 10:59.55 | bbrazil | SamePaul: you using testing/sid ? |
| 10:59.56 | Supaplex | so what are you trying to install? |
| 10:59.56 | delire | TBBle: you can. when you see people that barely know how to send an attachment going to an "Add or Remove Programs" menu (which is an interface to apt) and happily managing their productivity applications you have to smile.. |
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| 11:00.07 | SamePaul | bbrazil: stable |
| 11:00.10 | delire | Dwonis: hehe |
| 11:00.19 | bbrazil | SamePaul: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:00.24 | laoye | tchize: i mean leave out 'jp' to access repo in US. |
| 11:00.34 | bbrazil | SamePaul: and what non-debian stable sources do you have? |
| 11:00.35 | SamePaul | bbrazil: install x-windows |
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| 11:00.47 | owner | hi |
| 11:00.59 | SamePaul | bbrazil: have no idea what you're talking about |
| 11:01.01 | delire | laoye he has left |
| 11:01.03 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 11:01.04 | owner | does anyone know how i can set the browser environment value in /etc/environment |
| 11:01.09 | bbrazil | SamePaul: x-windows-system should do it for you |
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| 11:01.20 | owner | so all apps will use a certain browser |
| 11:01.29 | bbrazil | SamePaul: *window |
| 11:01.34 | SamePaul | bbrazil: what does it mean? can you be more specific? |
| 11:01.45 | bbrazil | SamePaul: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 11:01.55 | SamePaul | bbrazil: ok. i'll try |
| 11:02.03 | TBBle | owner: See the docs for pam_env, although that might be the wrong way to go about it. |
| 11:02.14 | Dwonis | owner: Also, you might want to try "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" |
| 11:02.14 | delire | Supaplex: make sure you give full paths else -o will not write to a file.. |
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| 11:02.22 | owner | where are the docs for pam_env |
| 11:02.28 | SamePaul | bbrazil: same shit. list of dependensies and nothing |
| 11:02.33 | bbrazil | owner: just add a line BROWSER=/usr/bin/firefox or whatever |
| 11:02.41 | bbrazil | SamePaul: how did you install this system? |
| 11:02.46 | owner | tried that bbrazil |
| 11:02.51 | TBBle | owner: man pam_env, if you're lucky. Otherwise /usr/share/docs/pam or libpam or pam-modules. Have an explore, there should be something there. |
| 11:03.01 | owner | thanks |
| 11:03.06 | Dwonis | owner: You could also edit /etc/profile |
| 11:03.17 | Dwonis | owner: But make sure you put "export BROWSER" in there as well |
| 11:03.17 | bbrazil | owner: I don't understand /etc/enviroment well, you might need to restart stuff |
| 11:03.20 | SamePaul | bbrazil: started with dpkg -i on xfree |
| 11:03.38 | bbrazil | SamePaul: no, how did you install debian? |
| 11:03.41 | SamePaul | bbrazil: very soon got tired and come here to get some help |
| 11:03.46 | SamePaul | bbrazil: from DVD |
| 11:03.54 | owner | dwonis export BROWSER=/usr/bin/firefox? |
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| 11:04.02 | delire | Supaplex: i consider this a bug in mkinitrd. for instance 'mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.10 2.6.10' doesn't write an image but 'mkinitrd -o /path/to/initrd.img-2.6.10 2.6.10' does.. |
| 11:04.03 | bbrazil | SamePaul: and the DVD is in the drive? |
| 11:04.09 | SamePaul | yes |
| 11:04.12 | SamePaul | bbrazil: yes |
| 11:04.19 | Dwonis | owner: Put the export on a separate line: "BROWSER=/usr/bin/firefox" and then "export BROWSER" |
| 11:04.26 | Dwonis | owner: That way, non-bash shells won't break |
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| 11:04.44 | bbrazil | SamePaul: hmm, run aptitude and try installing it there |
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| 11:04.58 | Andy298 | how can i view active entries from a log file? |
| 11:04.58 | bbrazil | SamePaul: should give you some idea what the depandancy issue is |
| 11:05.07 | bbrazil | Andy298: tail -f filename |
| 11:05.09 | Dwonis | owner: I've never tried /etc/environment, but I do suspect that pam_env is the correct thing |
| 11:05.12 | delire | Andy298: as they are written to the file? use tail |
| 11:05.25 | owner | okay thanks for the advice |
| 11:05.35 | owner | ill try some things you suggested |
| 11:05.39 | Dwonis | owner: Note that you have to login again before changes to /etc/environment will take effect |
| 11:05.41 | Andy298 | can i filter the output to only display lines which contain POST (its for apache |
| 11:05.55 | bbrazil | Andy298: yip, tail -f blah | grep POST |
| 11:05.56 | delire | Andy298: tail -f /path/to/file | grep POST |
| 11:06.02 | Supaplex | delire: note taken. I think I need more space in my /boot :) heh woops. |
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| 11:06.25 | Dwonis | owner: If you look in /etc/pam.d/login, you should see a pam_env.so line |
| 11:06.31 | delire | Supaplex: that might cause problems yes ;) |
| 11:06.39 | jeffrin | what is IrLAP ? |
| 11:06.44 | SamePaul | bbrazil: ok. |
| 11:06.45 | bbrazil | Andy298: if you happen to be looking for the entire POST request, I suggest a peek at mod_security |
| 11:06.46 | jeffrin | what is IrLAP ? |
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| 11:07.12 | owner | yes |
| 11:07.35 | delire | jeffrin: my guess: something to do with Infra Red and Laptops |
| 11:07.53 | delire | jeffrin: apt-cache search irlap returns nothing however ;) |
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| 11:08.17 | jeffrin | ok |
| 11:08.19 | jeffrin | thanks |
| 11:08.48 | Dwonis | owner: If you installed "libpam-doc", the documentation should be in /usr/share/doc/libpam-doc/ |
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| 11:09.35 | Supaplex | is /dev/lvm needed? http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/02/msg05104.html mentions it, but that's all I know about it... |
| 11:09.37 | owner | i just installed it |
| 11:11.00 | owner | brb |
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| 11:14.58 | xerophyte | could somebody help me out ?? I have Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz and i compiled kernel from vanila source, when i did compile 2.6.11 i had 4 virtual cpus, i used the same configuration to compile 2.6.15.4 .. but i only get 2 cpus when I do cat /proc/cpuinfo .. smp and HT enabled in the kernel configuration. Does anybody know what am i missing on the new kernel?? when i boot with 2.6.11 i get 4 virtual cpus . |
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| 11:15.52 | Supaplex | xerophyte: is something about this in the changelog? otherwise, you may want to check the Documentation directory about bug hunting |
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| 11:17.00 | Dwonis | ls |
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| 11:17.57 | adaptr | rm -rf Dwonis |
| 11:18.03 | Dwonis | heh |
| 11:18.16 | adaptr | damn linux! |
| 11:18.24 | adaptr | it never does what you want, eh |
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| 11:19.37 | Supaplex | kill -STOP $$ |
| 11:20.22 | TBBle | No, to get someone off IRC you type "/quit <nickname>" |
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| 11:20.34 | flammi | hi all |
| 11:21.07 | flammi | hat einer von euch ahnung wie ich gnome-volume-control dazu bringe ein symbol im systray anzuzeigen??? |
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| 11:21.26 | _SerhaT_ | !de |
| 11:21.26 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 11:21.48 | flammi | srr, wrong channel |
| 11:22.05 | flammi | i have forgotten to type the de after the channel name |
| 11:22.08 | flammi | srry |
| 11:22.48 | flammi | (exit |
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| 11:25.50 | Shad0wS | can someone help me with apache instalation ? i can`t install i |
| 11:25.52 | Shad0wS | it* |
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| 11:26.24 | adaptr | try #apache |
| 11:26.32 | deadcat | you cant just apt-get it? |
| 11:27.11 | Shad0wS | doesn`t work |
| 11:27.15 | Shad0wS | it gave a stupid error |
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| 11:27.59 | TBBle | Shad0wS: That's not exactly a particularly useful description of the error. |
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| 11:28.24 | Shad0wS | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 11:28.25 | Shad0wS | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 11:28.25 | Shad0wS | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 11:28.25 | Shad0wS | or been moved out of Incoming. |
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| 11:28.41 | Shad0wS | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 11:28.41 | Shad0wS | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 11:28.41 | Shad0wS | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 11:28.41 | Shad0wS | or been moved out of Incoming. |
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| 11:28.54 | Shad0wS | hr |
| 11:28.57 | Shad0wS | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 11:29.01 | Shad0wS | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 11:29.03 | Shad0wS | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 11:29.06 | Shad0wS | or been moved out of Incoming. |
| 11:29.08 | cahoot | looks like a rather informative msg |
| 11:29.13 | blondie | shutup |
| 11:29.16 | Shad0wS | Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that |
| 11:29.19 | Shad0wS | the package is simply not installable and a bug report against |
| 11:29.21 | Shad0wS | that package should be filed. |
| 11:29.27 | Shad0wS | that`s the error... |
| 11:29.33 | blondie | Shad0wS: STFU pleased |
| 11:29.34 | blondie | -d |
| 11:29.52 | blondie | can't we just ban all of aol? :\ |
| 11:30.14 | Shad0wS | huh what i`ve done wrong ? |
| 11:30.30 | Shad0wS | only i asked.. |
| 11:30.33 | blondie | erm |
| 11:30.44 | blondie | pasted about 20 lines |
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| 11:30.48 | blondie | ignoring the "kick" message |
| 11:30.59 | blondie | it's called spam |
| 11:31.03 | Shad0wS | i just wanted to show you the error |
| 11:31.05 | Shad0wS | sorry |
| 11:31.14 | deadcat | Shad0wS: /topic |
| 11:31.54 | Arne__ | does anybody get my messages? |
| 11:31.59 | TBBle | Shad0wS: And not only did you fail to obey the instructions about pasting errors, you seem to have actually missed the useful part of the error, the non-boilerplate part. |
| 11:32.00 | deadcat | no |
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| 11:33.06 | Shad0wS | ok sorry |
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| 11:37.25 | pokkie | which command displays a summary of the system memory again? |
| 11:37.35 | deadcat | free |
| 11:37.48 | pokkie | ta |
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| 11:38.27 | pokkie | deadcat: any way i can 'clear' some memory? |
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| 11:39.06 | deadcat | pokkie: dont know how |
| 11:39.12 | deadcat | close the apps (= |
| 11:39.14 | TBBle | pokkie: Why? |
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| 11:39.22 | jeffrin | what is FBUS ? |
| 11:39.44 | pokkie | TBBle: Mem: 906736 895320 11416 : (total, used, free) |
| 11:39.50 | deadcat | pokkie: second line |
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| 11:40.11 | pokkie | deadcat: 685660 221076 |
| 11:40.11 | Gathond | pokkie: if you want to clear the cache (cant imaging why) part, they you could write something that allocates it all, writes = to it then disallocates it |
| 11:40.42 | deadcat | pokkie: free -tm and paste the second line. i dont know KBs (= |
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| 11:40.48 | pokkie | hehe |
| 11:40.48 | pokkie | ok |
| 11:40.55 | bbrazil | SamePaul: ask questions in the channel |
| 11:40.59 | TBBle | pokkie: That's because Linux cleverly uses your free memory for caching and buffering until you need it for other things. Why would you want RAM sitting around doing nothing? |
| 11:41.04 | pokkie | 660 224 |
| 11:41.13 | bbrazil | SamePaul: also, /topic |
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| 11:41.45 | pokkie | TBBle: just programs aren't quick at responding, so was looking to increase the performance a bit |
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| 11:42.38 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:42.38 | dpkg | <scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good |
| 11:42.43 | TBBle | pokkie: That's not RAM being full then. |
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| 11:43.08 | Eclipser | anyone know how I could produce jpg/png/whatever image of tty1 which is running an ncurses app? |
| 11:43.18 | pokkie | TBBle: ok, any ideas where else i can look? |
| 11:43.37 | tarzeau | Eclipser: make an ansi screenshot first then display it in x then make a screenshot of it? |
| 11:43.43 | TBBle | pokkie: top, see where your CPU time's going. |
| 11:43.49 | tarzeau | Eclipser: see screen, tetradraw, caca utils and scrot |
| 11:43.57 | tarzeau | Eclipser: or use a digital camera |
| 11:44.01 | Eclipser | heh |
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| 11:44.08 | tarzeau | Eclipser: if it's framebuffer there's some tools |
| 11:44.10 | crypt_ex | hehe |
| 11:44.14 | lantern | hello |
| 11:44.29 | tarzeau | Eclipser: if it's textmode... you could also read out vga video memory directly and translate vga font to bitmap picture... |
| 11:44.40 | Supaplex | Eclipser: cat /dev/vcs1 | fold -n 80 |
| 11:44.56 | tarzeau | Eclipser: shouldn't be too hard if you find some reference to vga registers and memory handling as well as some x86 i/o assembly book and little knowledge of c |
| 11:45.00 | Supaplex | maybe asciitop... |
| 11:45.03 | tarzeau | Supaplex: come on that don't work? |
| 11:45.07 | Eclipser | tarzeau, heh :) |
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| 11:45.34 | pokkie | TBBle: highest is : 3699 root 15 0 729m 34m 160m S 5.3 3.9 495:09.21 Xorg |
| 11:45.49 | ringo999 | which music player software do you all use? rhythmbox, xmms...? |
| 11:46.13 | Eclipser | xmms2 |
| 11:47.09 | tarzeau | konqueror is nice |
| 11:47.13 | tarzeau | ringo999: opencubicplayer |
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| 11:47.28 | Eclipser | Supaplex, that's neat... now how would I make an image :o |
| 11:47.30 | tarzeau | konqueror at least runs on debian gnu/kfreebsd unlike gecko based browsers... |
| 11:47.48 | tarzeau | ringo999: i prefer non x based players, since x crashes often, and textmode ones keep running while in screen |
| 11:47.55 | tarzeau | ringo999: but cynthiune.app is nice anyways |
| 11:48.27 | ringo999 | tarzeau: aha...need to try this stuff...yeah rhythmbox crashes quite often |
| 11:48.39 | Supaplex | asciitopgm |
| 11:48.40 | tarzeau | ringo999: oh ok when the player crashes, that sucks even more |
| 11:48.48 | tarzeau | ringo999: really opencubicplayer is teh 1337! |
| 11:48.54 | Supaplex | afaik, there's some other device node that sotres the color info to. maybe? |
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| 11:49.13 | tarzeau | ringo999: http://gnu.ethz.ch/ocp.png |
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| 11:49.37 | tarzeau | especially the pitch/speed control and the spectrum analyser |
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| 11:50.06 | Supaplex | tarzeau: cubis was the l33t back in the late 80s :P |
| 11:50.11 | Supaplex | cubic* |
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| 11:50.48 | mortal | will debian get quake3 someday? it would be very cool to install it and some free mods |
| 11:51.00 | deadcat | its already there. |
| 11:51.06 | deadcat | you mean q4 |
| 11:51.07 | mortal | really? |
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| 11:51.16 | deadcat | q3 runs on linux long time ago. |
| 11:51.20 | mortal | yes |
| 11:51.21 | mortal | but debian |
| 11:51.22 | ringo999 | tarzeau: ha, thats awesome |
| 11:51.50 | deadcat | mortal: linux. just get the .bin and run it. then copy the files from the cd |
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| 11:51.58 | deadcat | q3 sucks anyway. |
| 11:52.03 | mortal | debian |
| 11:52.06 | deadcat | no |
| 11:52.08 | mortal | q3 got free some time ago |
| 11:52.11 | deadcat | no apt-get |
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| 11:52.20 | ringo999 | tarzeau: but it takes quite a lot of cpu, doesnt it? |
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| 11:53.54 | Eclipser | catting /dev/vcs1 is handy but I'd like to get the colors too... I think it's time to resort to my digicam soon... |
| 11:54.01 | TBBle | pokkie: That's fine. Xorg's RSS counts your vidoe card's VRAM. |
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| 11:54.24 | pokkie | TBBle: and firefox? 4835 triumph 15 0 619m 206m 33m S 0.3 23.3 35:26.89 firefox-bin |
| 11:54.41 | TBBle | OK. Firefox is slowing your system down something chronic. When'd you last restart it? |
| 11:54.58 | pokkie | probably a day or so ago |
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| 11:55.20 | pokkie | upgrade to 1.5? |
| 11:55.33 | ineiros | pokkie: The flash plugin for firefox has serious memory leak problems. |
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| 11:56.25 | TBBle | Yeah. And restart it after using either flash or java when possible. |
| 11:56.48 | pokkie | hmm, how can i see what plugins i have installed? |
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| 11:57.02 | pokkie | does it come under "extensions" ? |
| 11:57.26 | TBBle | pokkie: about:plugins |
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| 11:57.59 | pokkie | cool, how can i remove the plugins? :) |
| 11:58.33 | TBBle | pokkie: How'd you install them? If they're system wide, apt-get. If they're local, the uninstall button's on the extentions manager. |
| 11:58.37 | Cope | Am doing an install (sid) with 2 x 60G disks, configured as software raid1, on top of which I have 1 lvm vg, containing 1 lv for /; Install fails at the end 'Running /sbin/lilo failed with error code 1' - when the installer tries to install on /dev/md0 - what's wrong? |
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| 11:59.08 | pokkie | TBBle: there is a libflashplayer.so* |
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| 11:59.23 | pokkie | TBBle: file in my ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins/ directory |
| 11:59.32 | pokkie | TBBle: just delete it? |
| 11:59.38 | TBBle | pokkie: You can just delete that then, prolly. |
| 11:59.52 | TBBle | Ooops, I confused plugins and extensions. ^_^ |
| 12:00.13 | an0y | hello |
| 12:03.31 | Supaplex | Eclipser: google for that device name and see what you find. also look at devices.txt in the kernel documentation. I'm off to go home. good luck. |
| 12:03.36 | theD3viL | why i cant play wmv with mplayer? I have install w32codecs! I cant change player to realplayer in firefox too. |
| 12:03.59 | pokkie | TBBle: ahh, much better : 14658 triumph 16 0 122m 55m 28m S 13.5 6.2 0:12.83 firefox-bin |
| 12:05.28 | bluefig | hi, we have a problem where the /dev/sda1 [3 x 200 gb on a adaptec 2410SA, raid 5] stops responding after a while. The syslog shows " rejecting I/O to offline device" |
| 12:05.30 | bluefig | hi have now exchausted all other information sources and have so far updated dthe udev, init scripts etc. I have rebuilded the bios to the latest adaptec bios. |
| 12:05.31 | bluefig | one thing is still outstanding - updating the aacraid driver from 1.1.2 to 1.1.5. i have the source code from adaptec site but when I do make -f Makefile it comes up with |
| 12:05.33 | bluefig | "make,no target,stop". nothing i do will get this thing to work. |
| 12:05.34 | bluefig | any/all advice and/or direction will help. pls |
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| 12:07.37 | Cope | so can lilo not install on a software raid md? |
| 12:07.46 | TBBle | pokkie: Excellent. ^_^ |
| 12:08.22 | mrverbose | how can i update-grub? |
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| 12:08.31 | ZeNN | anyone: i removed the init script /etc/init.d/postgresql-7.4..... is there a way to reinstall it through apt-get or dpkg ? |
| 12:08.36 | bluefig | i have debian installed on hdc, with /dev/sda1 as a data drive only |
| 12:08.42 | mrverbose | i am running testing and seems grub 0.97 is up-to-date now |
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| 12:09.43 | TBBle | ZeNN: dpkg has a --reinstall option or similar. Check the manpage. |
| 12:09.56 | snadge | how can one defrag their root reiserfs partition? what switches can i pass to tar, so i can just tar root, recreate the filesystem and untar it again :) |
| 12:11.02 | ZeNN | TBBle: already tried that.... doesnt reinstall initscript |
| 12:11.24 | ZeNN | nor does it update the /etc/rc3.d/S20postgres-7.4 script |
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| 12:12.18 | theD3viL | why i cant play wmv with mplayer? I have install w32codecs! I cant change player to realplayer in firefox too. |
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| 12:12.55 | TBBle | ZeNN: Somewhere in the dpkg manpage, it'll tell you how to reinstall conffiles. |
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| 12:13.11 | ZeNN | ok, let me check that out |
| 12:13.24 | tombs | hi all |
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| 12:13.48 | TBBle | ZeNN: It won't update the /etc/rcx.d/ links unless you've deleted the links for that program from _all_ runlevels. Luckily, update-rc.d has a 'defaults' option to restore those |
| 12:15.32 | Jecky | I got error when I trie to install packages - Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 12:15.39 | Silent_al | hello :) is there a enemy territory channel here @Debian servers? |
| 12:15.58 | ZeNN | TBBle: going through the man page right now.... but i manually removed both the postgres 7.4 initscript and the S20 runlevel script |
| 12:16.02 | ZeNN | guess that was a mistake |
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| 12:16.59 | TBBle | ZeNN: Once you restore the initscript, update-rc.d postgres-7.4 defaults (or something like that, check the update-rc.d manpage for details) will restore the S20 link. |
| 12:17.09 | Jecky | I got error when I trie to install packages - Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs. Help please |
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| 12:19.06 | delire_ | Jecky: AFAIK that's not a package you'd want to remove |
| 12:19.26 | Cope | erm, so is lilo now the default bootloader in sid? we had grub for some time. |
| 12:19.34 | delire | Jecky: what were you installing? also what branch? |
| 12:19.43 | delire | Cope: you're scaring me. |
| 12:19.49 | TBBle | Umm, "default" bootloader? As in, what debian-installer installs? |
| 12:19.52 | Jecky | apt-get update |
| 12:19.56 | Jecky | apt-get upgrade |
| 12:19.57 | Cope | delire: :) |
| 12:20.03 | Jecky | apt-get -f install |
| 12:20.13 | delire | Jecky: what branch? |
| 12:20.23 | Cope | in my sid install, I don't appear to be offered a choice of grub/lilo, just lilo |
| 12:20.30 | delire | Jecky: stable, testing, idiotic |
| 12:20.43 | Jecky | sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:20.51 | TBBle | Cope: Uh, offered the choice by what? |
| 12:21.02 | Jecky | testing |
| 12:21.06 | simonl | hello |
| 12:21.11 | delire | Jecky: so you've just installed, you're upgrading to testing. |
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| 12:21.30 | Jecky | yes I just instaled |
| 12:21.33 | Cope | TBBle: no offering at all; when you install the boot loader, you usually get grub by default; I am given lilo. |
| 12:21.35 | delire | Jecky: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 12:21.46 | Cope | TBBle: offered a choice was a poor choice of phrase |
| 12:21.51 | TBBle | Cope: This is during debian-installer, right? |
| 12:21.55 | Cope | TBBle: yeah |
| 12:22.10 | delire | Cope: strange.. i thought grub was the default for the d-i.. |
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| 12:22.21 | TBBle | Ah, no idea. I've not used post-sarge d-i, but I thought sarge's d-i installed grub. |
| 12:22.23 | Cope | TBBle: its been grub for some time; but today (haven't done an install for a few weeks) I only have lilo |
| 12:22.33 | jetscreamer | ms knows how to deny # access to files. # can change it, but has to actually do so(# has to chown/chmod/whatever) before being able to access the ms file(s). what is this method. |
| 12:22.41 | delire | Cope: i'm sorry to hear that. were you close? |
| 12:22.43 | TBBle | I've noticed it installs only lilo if you've somehow boned your hard disk configuration or something... But it's not bootable then anyway. |
| 12:22.55 | Cope | delire: yeah, right at the end... |
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| 12:23.02 | simonl | i'm trying to install debian (the unofficial amd64 version) on my amd64-machine with a sis965l sata-chipset. The problem is that the installation-program can't find the harddrive. SIS has released drivers for Linux, but as source and not binary, so does anyone know how i might go about to compile the drivers and feed them to the installation-program? |
| 12:23.08 | Jecky | I must paste stable? |
| 12:23.12 | mrverbose | any idea why grub 0.97 doesnt work while 0.95 perfectly does? |
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| 12:23.16 | simonl | i have a i386 slackware-machine which i could compile it on |
| 12:23.17 | Jecky | or what? |
| 12:23.18 | TBBle | jetscreamer: I'm sorry, that made no sense to me at all. |
| 12:23.19 | Cope | TBBle: yeah, bet that's it... as I have subsequently realised that (of course) I can't boot off a logical volume |
| 12:23.20 | mrverbose | i used the same way to set it up |
| 12:23.29 | jetscreamer | TBBle: which part. |
| 12:23.33 | TBBle | Cope: Yeah, trying to use d-i to install to LVM did me too. |
| 12:23.35 | azeem | simonl: you could maybe try the etch beta 1 installer |
| 12:23.46 | TBBle | Firstly, who's ms? And what's # access? |
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| 12:24.30 | simonl | azeem: hmm, ok |
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| 12:24.31 | simonl | i'll do that |
| 12:24.31 | azeem | simonl: or aks #debian-amd64 |
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| 12:24.31 | azeem | ask, even |
| 12:24.31 | jetscreamer | microsoft can deny root read access to files. root has the ability to change this, but has to do so. |
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| 12:24.32 | TBBle | jetscreamer: You're prolly wanting POSIX ACLs and/or SELinux then. |
| 12:24.37 | simonl | azeem: thanks |
| 12:24.39 | delire | anyway.. bbl |
| 12:24.40 | jetscreamer | posix acls |
| 12:24.42 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 12:24.58 | jetscreamer | you don't know the exact do you |
| 12:25.12 | jetscreamer | and hey ever do a dir in recovery console? weird.... |
| 12:25.14 | macadamia | when a program unexepectedly dies, is there a log file somewhere that has the reason it died? |
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| 12:25.33 | TBBle | jetscreamer: Microsoft's Windows OS of course uses their own ACL system, so you still might not be able to achieve what you want, but maybe you can. I'm assuming you're trying to do this on a Debian Linux system... |
| 12:25.33 | jetscreamer | linux perms, but with letters |
| 12:25.45 | jetscreamer | no i mean they DO it. |
| 12:26.02 | TBBle | jetscreamer: They don't use POSIX ACLs. They use their own ACLs. |
| 12:26.42 | jetscreamer | well it's posix compliant, but i know nothing about this |
| 12:26.48 | jetscreamer | posix that is |
| 12:26.51 | TBBle | What's POSIX compliant? |
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| 12:27.05 | lantern | nothing |
| 12:27.19 | jetscreamer | oh yeah make me remember stuff from 3 or 5 yrs ago... |
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| 12:27.50 | TBBle | macadamia: You might get a core file, if you're lucky, which you can open in a debugger... Depends on the program. |
| 12:28.17 | TBBle | macadamia: And the settings of the shell the program's running in... Check out the rlimit command... rlimit -c I think |
| 12:28.45 | jetscreamer | http://www.iapplianceweb.com/story/OEG20020110NC0001BC.htm |
| 12:28.49 | jetscreamer | here read up |
| 12:28.51 | macadamia | TBBle, ok I will give that a go thanks |
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| 12:28.57 | jetscreamer | quick goog |
| 12:29.04 | TBBle | jetscreamer: Thanks, but I'd rather not. |
| 12:29.09 | jetscreamer | i'm sure you could goog better |
| 12:29.11 | oskie | i upgraded to x.org 6.9, now the extra buttons on my M$ mouse doesn't work... I tried changing ZAxisMapping from "6 7" to "4 5", but no help |
| 12:29.14 | jetscreamer | wel lyou asked |
| 12:29.19 | jetscreamer | why |
| 12:29.21 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 12:29.25 | jetscreamer | i wub joo |
| 12:29.31 | TBBle | jetscreamer: Yeah. I asked what _you_ were talking about. I didn't ask you to google some random page for me. |
| 12:29.32 | jetscreamer | but anyway |
| 12:29.49 | jetscreamer | i was just wondering what perms they put on those |
| 12:29.56 | jetscreamer | no biggie |
| 12:30.16 | jetscreamer | it wasn't a random page, i picked it out of 100 |
| 12:30.58 | oskie | hm I changed in the wrong file... so now we can delete /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
| 12:31.14 | TBBle | jetscreamer: Either way, I didn't ask for it... You use an awful lot of unresolvable pronouns. I got that "they" is Microsoft, but I dunno what "those" is now. |
| 12:31.47 | an0y | i have a problem with crontab under debian : |
| 12:31.51 | Jeeaar | damn all of you guys, will you get on porting to amd64, so i can start playing? |
| 12:31.53 | an0y | [an0y@lain:~]%crontab -l |
| 12:31.57 | an0y | SHELL=/bin/sh |
| 12:31.58 | an0y | MAILTO=an0y |
| 12:31.58 | an0y | 24 13 * * * /usr/bin/xmms /home/an0y/secretagent.pls >/home/an0y/test |
| 12:32.04 | an0y | but xmms don't run at 13:24 and the test file has been created but it is empty, any idee ? |
| 12:32.04 | jetscreamer | those files that are by default denied to even root |
| 12:32.13 | jetscreamer | nm dude |
| 12:32.25 | jetscreamer | i know what you are saying |
| 12:32.30 | jetscreamer | exactly |
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| 12:32.50 | CandY_kiLLER | hello |
| 12:33.07 | CandY_kiLLER | whats up? |
| 12:33.13 | jetscreamer | !up |
| 12:33.14 | dpkg | the *ceiling* moron, or a direction directly opposing the pull of gravity |
| 12:33.18 | TBBle | jetscreamer: How does Microsoft set permissions on files in Windows so that root (by which I assume you mean Administrator) has to take ownership of them or add permissions to them before operating upon them? |
| 12:33.25 | TBBle | jetscreamer: Is that what you're trying to ask? |
| 12:33.34 | jetscreamer | root... uid0 .... |
| 12:33.35 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.36 | CandY_kiLLER | yes |
| 12:33.47 | TBBle | jetscreamer: Or "How do you implement in linux a system like in the first question?" |
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| 12:34.08 | jetscreamer | root, linux, superuser, #, |
| 12:34.18 | jetscreamer | you know |
| 12:34.19 | jetscreamer | !root |
| 12:34.20 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 12:34.36 | lantern | meh, obsolete topic... |
| 12:34.40 | TBBle | jetscreamer: Uh, Admininstrator's not uid 0 in windows, as I recall. |
| 12:34.53 | jetscreamer | root isn't in windows |
| 12:35.01 | jetscreamer | well |
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| 12:35.23 | TBBle | jetscreamer: Anyway, which of those questions was the one you were trying to ask? |
| 12:35.33 | lantern | root=bill in windows |
| 12:35.39 | an0y | lol |
| 12:35.40 | jetscreamer | it's Administrator in windows. if i mean Administrator i would say Administrator |
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| 12:35.48 | jetscreamer | i said r .. o... o... t |
| 12:35.54 | lantern | just kidding |
| 12:35.55 | jetscreamer | as in linux |
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| 12:36.12 | Cope | fsck, how cool is the expert configurer on d-i! :) |
| 12:36.14 | TBBle | jetscreamer: Right. And you were also asking about Windows. And using a lot of pronouns. It's hard to tell since I don't actually have your mind to flick through for context. |
| 12:36.19 | sander_ | hi.. what could be wrong.. when I see all my hardisks in dmesg.. its 10 discs.. but 4 of them (from one controller).. cant be seen in fdisk -l? |
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| 12:36.23 | TBBle | jetscreamer: So probably the second question? |
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| 12:36.41 | azeem | does it matter that much? |
| 12:36.55 | jetscreamer | neither, actually |
| 12:37.15 | elvis | how can I change the version debian uses of qmake...it now says /usr/bin/qmake when I try which qmake...how can I change it to /usr/share/qt3/bin/qmake ? |
| 12:37.24 | jetscreamer | how is it that windows is able to implement file permissions that deny the linux user root access to said files |
| 12:37.48 | jetscreamer | elvis: man update-alternatives |
| 12:38.00 | sander_ | I got room for 8 ide raid hardisks.. and 4 ide regular hardisks.. |
| 12:38.15 | TBBle | jetscreamer: OK. I'd need more background here. Are you doing something over a network, or have you somehow installed a MS security module into linux? |
| 12:38.17 | jetscreamer | TBBle: you did help me actually make a coherent statement |
| 12:38.26 | Gathond | binaries in /usr/share ... that must be some serious FHS violation ... that just seems wrong |
| 12:38.41 | jetscreamer | TBBle: on a cd, on ntfs, when dd'ing sometimes |
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| 12:38.44 | jetscreamer | local |
| 12:38.45 | TBBle | Gathond: Yes, yes it is. Who's doing it, and bap them? |
| 12:39.10 | Gathond | TBBle: elvis aparently, if he has qmake in /usr/share/qt3/bin/qmake |
| 12:39.11 | sander_ | the driver cards is built into the motherboard.. |
| 12:39.12 | TBBle | jetscreamer: Uh, NTFS on a CD???? -_- |
| 12:39.28 | TBBle | Gathond: Isn't qmake a script? |
| 12:39.29 | Guerin | wth |
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| 12:39.36 | jetscreamer | no, on an ntfs filesystem, on an ms cd |
| 12:39.40 | sander_ | anyone know what could be wrong?. maybe some hardware just is fucked?.. how can I find out? |
| 12:39.42 | Gathond | TBBle: it might be of cause |
| 12:39.42 | jetscreamer | errr |
| 12:39.45 | Guerin | jetscreamer: you've been drinking the stuff under the sink again, haven't you? |
| 12:39.47 | jetscreamer | also on a cd |
| 12:39.59 | TBBle | jetscreamer: Ooooh, I see. You missed an and in the original list. ^_^ |
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| 12:40.12 | jetscreamer | ya |
| 12:40.12 | Glanzmann | Hello; |
| 12:40.19 | jetscreamer | yes guerin |
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| 12:40.36 | TBBle | jetscreamer: They can't on a CD, you've stuffed your mount options. On NTFS, the NTFS driver support is imcomplete, I'll pass. For dd, it depends where from and to. |
| 12:40.36 | jetscreamer | i keep acid for unclogging the sinks |
| 12:40.39 | Glanzmann | What tool in debian shows me what he would do if I would do a "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade" without actually performing it? |
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| 12:41.00 | TBBle | Glanzmann: None. Without actually doing apt-get update, you can't know what apt-get dist-upgrade will do. |
| 12:41.01 | jetscreamer | TBBle: i'll document |
| 12:41.22 | omry | is it possible to have remote desktop session, which keeps its state like vnc even if the client disconnects1, using x-server? |
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| 12:41.23 | jetscreamer | show proofs |
| 12:41.26 | _rene_ | Glanzmann: apt-get update; apt-get --simulate dist-upgrade? |
| 12:41.26 | Glanzmann | TBBle: Of course you can. You can at least show which packages needs updating? |
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| 12:41.43 | _rene_ | or -u, which shows you the packages |
| 12:41.47 | _rene_ | and after that you can say no |
| 12:41.48 | TBBle | If you don't apt-get update, your system has no way of knowing what packages need updating. |
| 12:41.51 | _rene_ | whatever you wish |
| 12:41.55 | Glanzmann | _rene_: Thanks. |
| 12:41.57 | jetscreamer | however, what i'm attempting to describe is not pebkac |
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| 12:42.16 | _rene_ | but in any case, TBBle is right |
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| 12:42.29 | Glanzmann | _rene_: I already spotted that. |
| 12:42.29 | _rene_ | without apt-get update apt doesn't know that there will be new packages |
| 12:42.33 | Glanzmann | Even if he is wrong. :-) |
| 12:42.37 | Glanzmann | He is still right. |
| 12:42.39 | jetscreamer | unless you have cron-apt |
| 12:42.42 | TBBle | Always. ^_^ |
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| 12:43.04 | TBBle | Oops, gotta run. Back later. |
| 12:43.07 | Guerin | TBBle is a referee? |
| 12:43.18 | _rene_ | TBBle: btw, your dscape stuff didn't work here.. well, it installed ans such but I wasn't successful in using it... |
| 12:43.45 | TBBle | I've got a new version I forgot to upload. I'll upload it next time I fire up the laptop. |
| 12:44.06 | TBBle | It actually works nicely for me, and they changed the header names, so no dpkg-diverts at all. ^_^ |
| 12:45.04 | TBBle | And uses WEXT, and uses /sys to create sta0, so no wpa-supplicant rebuilding or add_sta package. |
| 12:45.29 | jetscreamer | hey how do you read bios strings with cat or whatever |
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| 12:49.25 | elvis | hmm jetscreamer I've been looking for dpkg-divert to change it...but I don't really understand it... |
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| 12:49.47 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 12:49.56 | jetscreamer | change.. what |
| 12:50.08 | Rawplayer | SOL |
| 12:50.29 | elvis | well I talked about changing the qmake it uses from usr/bin/qmake to /usr/share/qt3/bin/ |
| 12:50.35 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 12:50.37 | elvis | Raw? |
| 12:50.40 | elvis | :) |
| 12:50.49 | elvis | should I use dpkg-divert for that? |
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| 12:51.04 | jetscreamer | update-alternatives might be an option is all i was suggestiong |
| 12:51.09 | jetscreamer | -o |
| 12:51.31 | jebstark_ | hey hello. could someone point out some site that runs the gallery module with gallery2? |
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| 12:53.09 | elvis | Rawplayer who are you? |
| 12:53.32 | Guerin | jetscreamer: ask #gallery |
| 12:53.35 | Guerin | bah |
| 12:53.40 | Guerin | stupidtronic |
| 12:53.57 | jetscreamer | :( |
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| 12:54.40 | Guerin | what pedestal? |
| 12:54.56 | jetscreamer | the one i put you on |
| 12:55.17 | Guerin | oh |
| 12:55.19 | Guerin | never noticed |
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| 12:56.09 | theD3viL | Why i cant use Xv ? I cant play with mplayer realplayer, totem..nothing |
| 12:56.32 | Guerin | theD3viL: do you have a xvworthy video card? |
| 12:56.45 | theD3viL | Guerin: nvidia mx42 |
| 12:56.47 | theD3viL | 0 |
| 12:56.52 | Guerin | theD3viL: what driver? |
| 12:56.58 | theD3viL | Guerin: one-liner |
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| 12:57.18 | Guerin | theD3viL: try nv |
| 12:57.21 | theD3viL | hm |
| 12:57.37 | theD3viL | Guerin: nvidia is opengl supported. |
| 12:57.55 | Guerin | theD3viL: why are you telling me? |
| 12:58.11 | theD3viL | Guerin: couse i wanna have opengl supported |
| 12:58.27 | Guerin | theD3viL: i didn't say 'use nv permanently', I said 'TRY' |
| 12:58.32 | Guerin | so go and try |
| 12:58.33 | jetscreamer | mplayer -vo vesa works doesn't it |
| 12:58.38 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 12:58.39 | Guerin | jetscreamer: not in x |
| 12:58.48 | jetscreamer | i mean at all |
| 12:58.50 | jetscreamer | for him |
| 12:58.52 | theD3viL | Guerin: oke |
| 12:59.03 | Guerin | jetscreamer: if you have a correctly configured vesa framebuffer, sure |
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| 13:00.46 | jetscreamer | no i had mplayer working with something i forget exactly what in console, no fb at all |
| 13:01.13 | jetscreamer | i like xine |
| 13:01.30 | jetscreamer | maybe he needs some codecs or libdvdcss |
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| 13:01.39 | Guerin | jetscreamer: -vo vesa works on a visa framebuffer |
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| 13:01.49 | theD3viL | Guerin: i cant startx with nv =/ |
| 13:01.57 | jetscreamer | ok. something did work though. |
| 13:01.58 | Guerin | which is probably what you mean by 'console' |
| 13:02.04 | Guerin | theD3viL: fix your config |
| 13:02.15 | theD3viL | Guerin: k |
| 13:02.17 | jetscreamer | as in ctrl alt f1 |
| 13:02.19 | Guerin | theD3viL: the purpose of this is to figure out whether it's a problem with the driver or your config |
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| 13:02.55 | Guerin | theD3viL: i *know* that nv works; so if it doesn't work for you, there's some problem with your setup. If it does work for you, it's the nvidia driver. |
| 13:03.02 | Guerin | most likely |
| 13:03.17 | theD3viL | Guerin: k |
| 13:03.21 | tombs | please, could someone tell me how to install grub? Is that # grub-install hda1? I think I'm missing something there :-/ |
| 13:03.44 | jetscreamer | update-grub if you have a working installation |
| 13:03.48 | jetscreamer | or had |
| 13:04.11 | tombs | ok, I'll try it |
| 13:04.37 | theD3viL | Guerin: i cant even select video at multimedia system selector in gnome |
| 13:04.55 | jetscreamer | theD3viL: not using the nvidia binary are you |
| 13:04.58 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 13:05.12 | theD3viL | jetscreamer: i using nvidia one-liner by dpkg |
| 13:05.25 | sander_ | hi.. I got theese drivers loaded: ide_core, ide_disk, hpt366.. two of those in lspci: 0000:00:13.1 RAID bus controller: Triones Technologies, Inc. HPT374 (rev 07).. and all discs on one of those controllers aint working |
| 13:05.48 | sander_ | hdi hdj hdk hdl aint working.. |
| 13:06.14 | sander_ | both of those cards is built into the motherboard. |
| 13:06.39 | sander_ | ...and I can see all the discs when I issue dmesg |
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| 13:06.51 | jetscreamer | if it's raid would it be md? i know nothing aboout raid though |
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| 13:07.25 | sander_ | jetscreamer, well.. normaly cards like that can be accessed normally.. like a normal disk |
| 13:07.37 | sander_ | jetscreamer, hde and hdg is working. |
| 13:07.48 | sander_ | and those are on the same type of card |
| 13:07.54 | jetscreamer | beyond me |
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| 13:08.02 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 13:08.12 | sander_ | :\ |
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| 13:09.10 | sander_ | strange thing is also.. that I saw all the drives when I was about to install.. |
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| 13:10.03 | elvis | jetscreamer any idea why update-alternatives --set qmake /usr/share/qt3/bin/qmake returns no alternativees for qmake |
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| 13:11.11 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 13:11.38 | jetscreamer | maybe there's a symlink like for gcc |
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| 13:12.00 | jetscreamer | and perhaps export some variable, but that's beyond me |
| 13:12.00 | elvis | hmm this is getting annoying :) |
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| 13:12.22 | elvis | the only thing I want it to do is run qmake from usr/share/qt3/bin instead of /usr/bin |
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| 13:13.22 | TBBle | elvis: update-alternatives --config /usr/bin/qmake maybe? |
| 13:13.45 | jetscreamer | see i knew somebody was smarter than me |
| 13:13.52 | TBBle | elvis: Uh... The qmake in /usr/bin is prolly a symlink into the alternatives system... |
| 13:15.01 | jetscreamer | oh yeah even on a cd btw |
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| 13:16.04 | grandma | what's the apt-get equivalent to the synaptic "complete removal"? |
| 13:16.16 | TBBle | jetscreamer: That's both screwed up and impossible. Assuming the CD's iso9660, you can't deny permission to certain users from windows when making it. |
| 13:16.25 | TBBle | apt-get remove --purge, I'd guess... |
| 13:16.38 | grandma | TBBle: dumps config files, etc? |
| 13:17.01 | elvis | hmm no alternatives TBBle |
| 13:17.04 | TBBle | grandma: Yeah, --purge makes it whack the config files and such. |
| 13:17.13 | grandma | TBBle: sweet thanks |
| 13:17.14 | TBBle | elvis: Weird. qmake was using alternatives a fortnight ago... |
| 13:18.18 | elvis | well I'll just try it with the /usr/bin version then |
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| 13:20.19 | jetscreamer | TBBle: you know more than me. but i see what i see. all i know. |
| 13:20.46 | jetscreamer | gtg enough of my 'idiocy' |
| 13:21.32 | jetscreamer | hi ho, hi ho... |
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| 13:23.41 | pzn | I have a cd iso image. which package can I use in debian to check if this iso is bootable before writing the media? |
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| 13:25.05 | arcADE- | hy guis I need a little help on Debian instalation |
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| 13:26.07 | pzn | arcADE-, you should post your question, then we can help you :-) |
| 13:26.28 | arcADE- | ok |
| 13:27.10 | arcADE- | I am trying to install debian on a partition of my hdd, but I get an error message: GRUB can not be installed in /target/ on hdd0 (or something like this) |
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| 13:28.29 | Andy298 | how can i make a drive accessable just for storage (want to share it to my windows PC with samba) |
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| 13:30.18 | nvz | how would I extract numbers from a string in bash? I am having a brainfart. I am making an indexing script to number files and I want to use any existing numbers if they exist but not any alpha chars in the filenames |
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| 13:32.01 | nvz | egrep -o [0-9] maybe |
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| 13:32.22 | hatake_kakashi | sed |
| 13:32.26 | pzn | Andy298, what do you mean "storage"? just write, not read? |
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| 13:32.43 | nvz | no that doesnt work.. heh |
| 13:32.50 | hatake_kakashi | Andy298: what fs? |
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| 13:33.06 | Andy298 | any |
| 13:33.20 | hatake_kakashi | nvz: I'm sure sed can do it to some extent |
| 13:33.23 | Andy298 | which will work best for a share for windows to use |
| 13:33.48 | nvz | hatake_kakashi: yeah but I dont know how so it doesnt matter. egrep could do it too I am sure if the expression was right |
| 13:34.12 | hatake_kakashi | of course it would be any for windows, because when it shared on the network, it does not have any specific restrictions, unless if you are talking about NTFS and FAT32 or EXT2 |
| 13:34.16 | nvz | hatake_kakashi: doesnt matter what program you use, if your perl-fu is weak in the regex area you are screwed |
| 13:34.30 | hatake_kakashi | nvz: hhe |
| 13:34.37 | hatake_kakashi | s/hhe/heh |
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| 13:34.43 | elvis | is there a combined package on debian to install all perl modules? |
| 13:34.52 | Andy298 | will windows write ok to EXT2? |
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| 13:35.42 | hatake_kakashi | Andy298: yes, but EXT2 has the same sort of limit as FAT32, a single file cannot exeed over 4GB I think |
| 13:35.56 | hatake_kakashi | but why would you want to choose EXT2 anyway? |
| 13:36.06 | Andy298 | ok so can i do ntfs? |
| 13:36.11 | hatake_kakashi | no |
| 13:36.14 | hatake_kakashi | NTFS is read only |
| 13:36.18 | hatake_kakashi | on linux |
| 13:36.26 | Eclipser | you can read ext3 from windows |
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| 13:36.48 | hatake_kakashi | unless you use either captive-ntfs or if you want to mess around and don't mind data being lost |
| 13:36.53 | nvz | no, it should only be read only.. it can be written to. its just not likely you will be able to read from it again |
| 13:37.00 | Andy298 | so which will be best? |
| 13:37.19 | Andy298 | ext3? |
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| 13:37.27 | hatake_kakashi | Andy298: depends, xfs I think is real nice but the last I heard is that you need a reliable power supply as it does caching |
| 13:37.32 | hatake_kakashi | ext3 is not bad overall |
| 13:37.46 | Andy298 | go for ext3 then :) |
| 13:37.52 | Andy298 | just for a bit of storage space :) |
| 13:37.53 | hatake_kakashi | err not caching but a specific mode that if the power goes out, you are stuffed |
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| 13:38.11 | Andy298 | so how do i go about it? |
| 13:38.16 | arcADE- | I am trying to install debian on a partition of my hdd, but I get an error message: GRUB can not be installed in /target/ on hdd0 (or something like this) |
| 13:38.23 | cortez | ive installed the lvm2 package but still i get "No program "pvcreate" found for your current version of LVM" |
| 13:38.23 | Andy298 | fdisk /dev/hdb |
| 13:38.29 | hatake_kakashi | Andy298: fdisk + mkfs.ext3 |
| 13:38.40 | Andy298 | i need it to auto mount on boot too? |
| 13:39.01 | hatake_kakashi | Andy298: that's if you power down your computer on and off very commonly |
| 13:39.09 | hatake_kakashi | but put it in just in case :P |
| 13:39.20 | Andy298 | right im in fdisk... |
| 13:39.24 | Andy298 | Command (m for help): |
| 13:39.46 | hatake_kakashi | umm.. you're not going to tell me to walk you through :P |
| 13:39.54 | hatake_kakashi | there's guides online for that |
| 13:40.03 | Andy298 | i was hoping to, im a total newb :S |
| 13:40.36 | hatake_kakashi | get used to reading a manual, no-one can always keep on 'brainfeed' you |
| 13:40.54 | Andy298 | k any pointers to links :) |
| 13:40.57 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.00 | Andy298 | !google fdisk debian |
| 13:41.08 | dpkg | Google says fdisk debian is at http://juerd.nl/site.plp/debianraid or http://packages.debian.org/testing/debian-installer/fdisk-udeb or http://packages.debian.org/unstable/debian-installer/fdisk-udeb or http://packages.debian.org/stable/otherosfs/pmac-fdisk-cross or http://packages.debian.org/stable/otherosfs/atari-fdisk-cross |
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| 13:42.02 | hatake_kakashi | Andy298: gentoo installation guide can get you started on how to make fdisk work for you, but of course you don't follow it word for word :p |
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| 13:43.32 | Andy298 | at the minute i have... |
| 13:43.37 | Andy298 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.37 | Andy298 | /dev/hdb1 1 10011 80413326 83 Linux |
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| 13:44.29 | hatake_kakashi | Andy298: use cfdisk :P |
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| 13:44.55 | Andy298 | ahhh :D |
| 13:44.56 | Andy298 | wahoo |
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| 13:45.29 | Andy298 | how do i change the disk tho? :| |
| 13:45.34 | Andy298 | nearly just lost my system :| |
| 13:45.50 | va | dpkg says apt 0.6.43.1 has the 2006 archive key, i have apt 0.6.43.2 but still "cannot confirm signature". Do i still have to manually import the key? Is it on my disk? |
| 13:45.52 | dpkg | va: what are you talking about? |
| 13:46.07 | TBBle | Andy298: fdisk /dev/hdwhateverdiskyouwanted. |
| 13:46.12 | Andy298 | :) |
| 13:46.24 | TBBle | va: apt-key update |
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| 13:48.40 | Andy298 | in webmin i get 403 all the time |
| 13:48.43 | Andy298 | even locally |
| 13:48.58 | va | this told me to install debian-archive-keyring, once i installed it, apt-key knows about the new key automatically |
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| 13:50.44 | GenghisKhan | hello, i need help with a dlink dwl-g122 usb wirless adapter |
| 13:50.58 | Hal9002 | ok... mantis got broken back in january after a security update... why is it not fixed yet? |
| 13:51.16 | Hal9002 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.28 | Nigromante | Hello, I would like some help on gnome-volume-manager and pmount, anyone who has dealed with this before could help me? |
| 13:52.08 | Nigromante | It mounts my hda partitions in fstab, when I start gnome session, and I would like to avoid that |
| 13:52.15 | azeem | Hal9002: what is the bug number? |
| 13:52.37 | TBBle | va: Tada! ^_^ |
| 13:52.43 | va | TBBle: thanks |
| 13:53.54 | Hal9002 | #348863 and #348886 |
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| 13:54.13 | cortez | "No program "pvcreate" found for your current version of LVM", anyone come across this? |
| 13:54.33 | Hal9002 | oh looks like its fixed but not on ftp yet |
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| 13:58.36 | Roldyx | i need make a page in HTML, but i dont want use dreamweaver |
| 13:58.36 | Saihtam | anyone here good at imagemagick? |
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| 14:00.09 | pokkie | Roldyx: go ask on #html |
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| 14:01.00 | Roldyx | pokkie, do you know some application for make HTML? |
| 14:01.18 | liable | nvu if you want wysiwg |
| 14:02.01 | pokkie | Roldyx: this is not the right channel, go to #html |
| 14:02.27 | Roldyx | pokkie, ok, but i use debian and apt! :D |
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| 14:02.49 | Saihtam | Roldyx: just use nano or vim |
| 14:03.14 | liable | yeah, vim is like dreamweaver.... |
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| 14:03.42 | Roldyx | Saihtam, je je je nano or vim :S , i dont know HTML |
| 14:03.57 | Saihtam | well then you will learn it instead of pressing some buttons |
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| 14:04.14 | liable | ... |
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| 14:04.25 | DevilChaos | hi folks i removed fireglx from apt it said it was obsolete and didnt think id need it and i do for ati card cant remember the actual package name any help would be really nice |
| 14:04.31 | DevilChaos | im on testing |
| 14:04.38 | DevilChaos | or different package |
| 14:05.01 | DevilChaos | :( |
| 14:05.15 | facr | apt-get xchat, how do i get that to work |
| 14:05.31 | facr | apt-get instlal xchat |
| 14:05.34 | facr | er. |
| 14:05.37 | Roldyx | facr, apt-get install xchat |
| 14:05.45 | facr | yeah, but i need to be root |
| 14:05.50 | Roldyx | /server irc.freenode.net |
| 14:05.51 | facr | so i did su |
| 14:05.54 | denis76 | If I enable apic bios function my pc clock is crazy. |
| 14:05.56 | Roldyx | /join #debian |
| 14:06.23 | liable | Roldyx: um, you are here already. |
| 14:06.46 | pokkie | lol |
| 14:06.47 | Roldyx | facr, yeah! you need root |
| 14:06.53 | Roldyx | liable, :D |
| 14:07.15 | Roldyx | liable, apt-get install nvu :D |
| 14:07.28 | facr | yeah roldyx, su didnt work |
| 14:07.30 | DevilChaos | libgatos? |
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| 14:07.44 | Roldyx | facr, why? |
| 14:07.49 | liable | Roldyx: what? |
| 14:08.11 | Roldyx | liable, forget it |
| 14:08.13 | facr | something about folder locked, is this the correct order? su , then apt-get install xchat ? |
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| 14:08.58 | Roldyx | facr, maybe you are using apt-get an other console? |
| 14:09.16 | facr | What console should i use? |
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| 14:09.26 | Roldyx | facr, maybe you are using apt-get an other console |
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| 14:09.55 | liable | facr: you have synaptic open or something.. |
| 14:09.59 | Roldyx | facr, what is the error? |
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| 14:10.18 | liable | facr: do you have ubuntu? |
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| 14:10.34 | Roldyx | ubuntufff |
| 14:10.38 | facr | No clue |
| 14:10.43 | bushito | where does apt downloads packages?? |
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| 14:10.59 | soundray | bushito, /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 14:11.05 | ApEtc | bushito: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 14:11.09 | Roldyx | facr, paste error |
| 14:11.12 | bushito | thanks all =) |
| 14:11.40 | facr | sigh, ill work around it later then. thanks. |
| 14:11.59 | facr | My mouse is having a bit of trouble on debian too |
| 14:12.02 | facr | optical mouse |
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| 14:12.12 | Roldyx | :S i need upgrade 650 packages!!!!!!!! |
| 14:12.22 | DevilChaos | doh |
| 14:12.31 | liable | we cars? |
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| 14:13.15 | Roldyx | fucking sid! |
| 14:13.28 | liable | dont use it then.. |
| 14:13.29 | fhffhqvb | !fist Roldyx |
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| 14:13.50 | facr | lol |
| 14:13.53 | takisd | do i need to recompile the whole kernel from scratch when i change the .config - its not picking up that i deselected/selected modules? |
| 14:14.14 | azeem | takisd: do you have a prior kernel build tree? |
| 14:14.35 | takisd | azeem: yes i do... start off for my deksotp, then a smaller one for laptop |
| 14:14.45 | facr | left is up right is down ~_~ |
| 14:14.51 | azeem | it should be clever enough not to rebuild everything |
| 14:15.06 | azeem | but sometimes, the inter-dependencies force rebuilds of more stuff than one would expect |
| 14:15.12 | liable | !wayc takisd |
| 14:15.12 | dpkg | takisd: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 14:15.21 | takisd | azeem: its not rebuilding, its not building at all, just installing and result in EXACT same deb |
| 14:15.31 | azeem | takisd: ah |
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| 14:15.37 | azeem | takisd: then maybe you need to remove a stamp file |
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| 14:15.56 | azeem | it might look whether "stamp-build" or something is there, and skip building entirely |
| 14:16.06 | takisd | dpkg: wanted small kernel for my laptop, plus irda tools weren't in precompiled version |
| 14:16.08 | liable | ah , i have abrotman 's ip.. :P |
| 14:16.28 | abrotman | liable: ? |
| 14:16.29 | takisd | azeem: do you know which one?? |
| 14:16.36 | azeem | takisd: no |
| 14:16.43 | liable | abrotman: your cloak is missing :) |
| 14:16.46 | azeem | takisd: you could have a look at debian/rules, but it might be complicated |
| 14:16.47 | abrotman | liable: it's there now |
| 14:16.54 | abrotman | liable: i don't really care anyways .. |
| 14:17.04 | takisd | azeem: its all so complicated... |
| 14:17.43 | TBBle | When'd they pull irda from the Debian kernels?? |
| 14:17.52 | facr | wtf tbble |
| 14:18.41 | takisd | TBBle: they didn't. i found that not all the modules my laptop needed were there. under 2.6.12, they wouldn't even compile when i marked them - went to vanilla kernel. much better in 2.6.15 now though |
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| 14:20.13 | liable | abrotman: until i hax0r j00! :) |
| 14:21.24 | DevilChaos | abrotman: any help for atitvout just got a blurry screen on tv have lbgatos and gatos just inatlled ? |
| 14:21.37 | DevilChaos | lib damn typos |
| 14:21.42 | abrotman | liable: anyone who wants my IP can have it |
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| 14:21.54 | abrotman | DevilChaos: ask #ati ? .. i don't think the free drivers can do that? |
| 14:22.01 | maddoc | Does anyone know why I get this errors? http://channels.debian.net/paste/1796 |
| 14:22.13 | maddoc | I've tried with both the lvm2-package and the lvm10-package. |
| 14:22.17 | maddoc | Same error. |
| 14:22.22 | liable | abrotman: i'm half pissed, nevermind.. seems everyone hates me . sigh. whoas me.. |
| 14:22.30 | liable | hehe |
| 14:22.38 | gttss | where is the Helvetica font gone? |
| 14:22.39 | Gnea | liable: you are wrong. everyone hates ME. |
| 14:22.41 | abrotman | liable: you're australian! |
| 14:22.49 | abrotman | Gnea: sad but true |
| 14:22.50 | gttss | i just CANT find any package containing it |
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| 14:23.03 | Gnea | yugkwe;fu |
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| 14:23.09 | liable | Gnea: true! :P |
| 14:23.10 | TBBle | abrotman: Yeah, you tell him! |
| 14:23.17 | Gnea | ... |
| 14:23.22 | maddoc | Tried to google, but only found sites in some wierd languages... |
| 14:23.23 | liable | Gnea: jk :P |
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| 14:23.56 | abrotman | Gnea: i LOVE you |
| 14:24.11 | Roldyx | NVU POWA! |
| 14:25.08 | Gnea | sure |
| 14:25.19 | liable | !love Gnea |
| 14:25.27 | liable | :) |
| 14:25.33 | Gnea | bah! |
| 14:25.53 | gttss | Ok. PLEASE help me :( OpenOffice's font are UGLY |
| 14:26.00 | maddoc | Hmm, how come I feel ignored... |
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| 14:26.06 | Gnea | gttss: so get some new ones |
| 14:26.13 | Shadowcat | !sick liable |
| 14:26.15 | gttss | I want the same interface fonts used by gtk2 programs |
| 14:26.18 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 14:26.25 | liable | !lose Shadowcat |
| 14:26.26 | dpkg | Shadowcat: You Lose. |
| 14:26.26 | jeffrin | hello |
| 14:26.32 | gttss | Gnea: you are going to tell me: use the font substitution table |
| 14:26.40 | Shadowcat | !beat liable |
| 14:26.41 | gttss | but I need this setting to be SYSTEMWIDE |
| 14:26.46 | Gnea | maddoc: i never used lvm |
| 14:26.51 | gttss | for all my dumb users |
| 14:26.57 | pzn | using sarge xserver-xfree86, need 1152x864/16bpp; video card is s3 virge DX 8MB. with driver s3virge it works at desired resolution, but screen "blinks" when mouse is moved. with driver vesa it works but only at 1024x768. what to do? any hints? |
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| 14:27.05 | Gnea | gttss: is that how it works? |
| 14:27.26 | facr | yay :D |
| 14:27.29 | jeffrin | where is the usb device file for my usb dongle in debian ? |
| 14:27.30 | Gnea | maddoc: but it looks like you forgot to install something |
| 14:27.31 | gttss | ai bot :( |
| 14:27.38 | facr | thanks liable :D~ |
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| 14:27.48 | Gnea | gttss: did you just call me a bot? |
| 14:28.08 | gttss | Gnea: YES I DID and i am FRUSTRATED |
| 14:28.18 | asg | gttss: have you asked #debian-oo yet? |
| 14:28.20 | maddoc | Gnea: What could that be? |
| 14:28.27 | gttss | asg: no. |
| 14:28.28 | shingouz | pzn: check the docs for the s3 servers. iirc there were two different servers and the correct one depends on the actual chipset of the card |
| 14:28.31 | liable | Gnea: who owns you? :P |
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| 14:28.48 | gttss | Gnea: a b c. |
| 14:28.55 | facr | hey i downloaded an anti-virus program, pavcl_linux_i386.tgz , what command do i use to unpack? |
| 14:28.57 | SimonRaven | shingouz: servers? not since 3 dude |
| 14:29.10 | maddoc | facr: tar -xvzf <package> |
| 14:29.18 | facr | thanks |
| 14:29.22 | maddoc | Np. |
| 14:29.23 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.28 | SimonRaven | !tar |
| 14:29.28 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 14:29.59 | Gnea | maddoc: are you doing this as root? |
| 14:30.03 | shingouz | SimonRaven: i have noticed some cards are pretty much impossible to make run correctly on the xfree86 4.x all the cards are ancient though |
| 14:30.05 | maddoc | Gnea: Yes. |
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| 14:30.15 | SimonRaven | shingouz: i see |
| 14:30.28 | pzn | shingouz, thanks! I'll try that! |
| 14:31.15 | useruser | anyone know of a command-line tool which will put utf8 text on the X clipboard? |
| 14:31.23 | useruser | xsel reliably fucks it up |
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| 14:31.46 | facr | maddoc do i use the "< >" |
| 14:32.00 | Gnea | maddoc: what's in /lib/lvm-200/ ? |
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| 14:32.17 | gttss | Gnea_ what's your name? |
| 14:32.33 | gttss | Gnea what's your name? |
| 14:32.45 | TBBle | useruser: I think you can't do it, pasting UTF-8 requires the source to still be highlighted, as it does the format negotiation thing... The plain-text clipboard you get from xsel is latin1 from memory, or US_ASCII |
| 14:33.27 | TBBle | useruser: Uh, what I mean to say is, such a program would have to keep running until you pasted... |
| 14:33.27 | azeem | gttss: did you install the openoffice gtk-gnome support package? |
| 14:33.30 | useruser | TBBle: but xsel does the format negotiation thing, it just forks into the background and waits for it |
| 14:33.34 | useruser | TBBle: right |
| 14:33.42 | useruser | TBBle: only problem is xsel is crap |
| 14:33.44 | TBBle | useruser: Ah. No idea then. Beat xsel's developers with sticks? |
| 14:33.56 | gttss | azeem: IIRC I tryed it, without any good result. I'm trying again now. |
| 14:33.58 | useruser | TBBle: guess so |
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| 14:34.07 | gttss | azeem: anyway: I'm not using gnome as window manager |
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| 14:34.22 | azeem | gttss: that doesn't matter |
| 14:34.31 | azeem | gttss: you need that package for proper gtk2 integration |
| 14:35.03 | ootput | do any of you guys know of news rss feeds that contain more than 2 lines of text? I'm a big fan of reuters, but two lines (or even one, which is often the case) of text isn't really satisfying |
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| 14:35.38 | abrotman | ootput: that's the idea of RSS |
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| 14:36.09 | Gnea | ootput: any proper rss reader will show the entire article. |
| 14:36.10 | gttss | azeem: no apparent changes. The menus are in Arial (I installe the msttcorefonts package) |
| 14:36.23 | azeem | did you restart it? |
| 14:36.26 | abrotman | Gnea: i think he means in the preview |
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| 14:36.35 | gttss | of course. and rm -rf .openoffice* |
| 14:36.50 | Gnea | abrotman: it wouldn't be a preview then |
| 14:36.57 | azeem | gttss: so the menu fonts are different for OOo than for gtk2 programs? |
| 14:37.05 | abrotman | Gnea: the story headline? |
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| 14:37.12 | azeem | gttss: do you use openoffice 1 or 2? |
| 14:37.13 | Gnea | abrotman: typically |
| 14:37.25 | _rene_ | note you get the gtk2 integrationonly when running under gnome |
| 14:37.33 | SimonRaven | Gnea: depends on the format. <summary/> or <description/> isn't supposed to have the whole article in it ... |
| 14:37.37 | gttss | azeem: OO2 (sid), and OO fonts are different |
| 14:37.45 | azeem | gttss: see what rene said |
| 14:37.46 | Gnea | SimonRaven: that's what i said. |
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| 14:37.57 | abrotman | Gnea: oh .. just checked .. they actually put a link in the RSS feed to the full article somewhere |
| 14:37.58 | MaRcY | «« Salve Ragazzi Di #debian »» By MaTTia ScripT v2.0 |
| 14:38.13 | azeem | MaRcY: stop that |
| 14:38.13 | gttss | and what about if I do not run gnome? |
| 14:38.15 | azeem | pfft |
| 14:38.21 | SimonRaven | Gnea: so i'm a slow typist |
| 14:38.24 | SimonRaven | :P |
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| 14:38.45 | Gnea | abrotman: that's why i like mozilla thunderbird - you just click on the summary/description and it shows the entire article |
| 14:38.49 | SimonRaven | some dufus spamming their irc script ... |
| 14:39.00 | _rene_ | Gnea: then you need to lie about what you use |
| 14:39.02 | _rene_ | ARGS |
| 14:39.02 | fwtest | hi, DES use key long of 56 bit, what does it mean with 56 bit? why is it not very secure? |
| 14:39.07 | _rene_ | gttss: then you need to lie about what you use |
| 14:39.07 | abrotman | Gnea: no .. i mean the "entire article" contains a blurb . and a link |
| 14:39.12 | azeem | _rene_: need to lie? |
| 14:39.16 | Gnea | lol |
| 14:39.19 | _rene_ | gttss: try export OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP="gnome" |
| 14:39.19 | abrotman | Gnea: as in .. that's thier feed |
| 14:39.20 | pipeline | fwtest: Because 56 bits is short enough that it could be brute forced inside of a human lifetime. |
| 14:39.39 | Gnea | abrotman: right, clicking on it downloads the link |
| 14:39.41 | delire_away | pipeline: hehe |
| 14:39.42 | fwtest | pipeline, how many characters are 56 bits? |
| 14:39.52 | facr | does anyone here use an optical mouse by any chance? |
| 14:39.53 | gttss | _rene_: it works :) |
| 14:39.54 | pipeline | fwtest: Depending on how you look at it, seven or eight. |
| 14:39.55 | gttss | I love you |
| 14:39.56 | danielax | fwtest: when it was created, it was great, but with computers getting faster, it can be cracked in less time - for more info, google would probably be a good idea |
| 14:40.04 | danielax | facr: yes |
| 14:40.08 | pipeline | fwtest: Not that it matters. Keys aren't usually expressed as characters. |
| 14:40.11 | abrotman | Gnea: no . it spawns a browser window |
| 14:40.19 | Gnea | fwtest: because someone created a computer that spans the internet and proved it so |
| 14:40.24 | abrotman | Gnea: /j #flood |
| 14:40.37 | facr | danielax did you have any problems, eg: moving the mouse left makes the page scroll up |
| 14:40.39 | fwtest | pipeline, i dont understand why can one say 56 bit is too short? |
| 14:40.52 | pipeline | fwtest: Google for "brute force attack". |
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| 14:41.00 | facr | or is this normal? |
| 14:41.08 | danielax | what does you xorg.conf/xf86config-4 say for mouse driver? |
| 14:41.10 | pipeline | fwtest: This is a gross oversimplification, but pretend that a crypto algorithm is a combination lock. |
| 14:41.24 | pipeline | fwtest: 56 bits is short enough that a fast computer can try every possible combination and open the lock. |
| 14:41.29 | facr | not sure, how do i check? |
| 14:41.51 | fwtest | pipeline, i know what is brute force, i want to know what does brute force connect with bits long |
| 14:41.55 | ericw | with pow(2,bits) possible combinations |
| 14:42.12 | pipeline | fwtest: DES is a pretty strong algorithm, it's just that mandated short key length makes it vulnerable to the simplest type of attack (brute force) |
| 14:42.19 | danielax | facr: usually /etc/X11/{XF86Config-4,Xorg.conf} |
| 14:42.30 | pipeline | fwtest: If you have, say, 128 bits, in your key, that increases the number of possible combinations by a very, very, very large amount. |
| 14:42.30 | ericw | so 56 bit systems only have 72057594037927936 combinations |
| 14:42.32 | ericw | iirc |
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| 14:42.50 | ericw | (128 bits - 340282366920938463463374607431768211456 combinations) |
| 14:42.50 | azeem | ericw: you seem to have a good memoery |
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| 14:42.54 | facr | ok, one second |
| 14:43.03 | fwtest | ericw, that is what i would like to know, how many combinations is 1 bit? |
| 14:43.04 | ootput | abrotman, Gnea: ah sorry fellas. I didn't realise raggle had a way to call external browsers and use the embedded link. It seems my demands were unnecessary :) |
| 14:43.16 | pipeline | fwtest: one bit only has two combinations: zero and one. |
| 14:43.18 | ericw | fwtest, two combinations |
| 14:43.22 | abrotman | ootput: that's still a crappy feed |
| 14:43.24 | ootput | ah, and it detects the screen environment |
| 14:43.25 | fwtest | ahh |
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| 14:43.34 | Gnea | fwtest: SAN JOSE, California--A joint effort between the Electronic Frontier Foundation and Distributed.Net has set a new record for cracking the 56-bit Data Encryption Standard (DES) algorithm--under 23 hours. |
| 14:43.36 | fwtest | i see |
| 14:43.41 | Gnea | fwtest: http://news.com.com/Record+set+in+cracking+56-bit+crypto/2100-1017_3-220333.html |
| 14:43.42 | ootput | abrotman: reuters? |
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| 14:43.52 | pipeline | fwtest: DES is still pretty safe. |
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| 14:43.58 | DevilChaos | does xorg not support tvout? |
| 14:44.04 | Gnea | fwtest: that was 7 years ago. |
| 14:44.08 | pipeline | fwtest: Unless you're dealing with the U.S. government, no normal person has the kind of computing power needed to break it trivially. |
| 14:44.14 | pipeline | DevilChaos: Not on most cards. |
| 14:44.14 | abrotman | ootput: yeah |
| 14:44.29 | fwtest | pipeline, you said 56 bit is not always the characters, so when one use brute force, what is he trying to crack? |
| 14:44.32 | DevilChaos | bugger does it support ati? |
| 14:44.32 | danielax | facr: mine has Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" and Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" |
| 14:44.42 | ootput | abrotman: ah, so i was right, in a sense |
| 14:44.48 | pipeline | fwtest: Each individual bit. First you try 000000000000000000000000000000, then 000000000000000000000000001, then 0000000000000000000000000010.... |
| 14:44.51 | ootput | abrotman: are you getting any news feeds? |
| 14:45.13 | pipeline | fwtest: There are, of course, more sophisticated attacks than brute force, but the short key length makes DES more vulnerable to most types of attack... |
| 14:45.22 | abrotman | ootput: no .. i can't read |
| 14:45.33 | pipeline | DevilChaos: Uh, I think ATI tv-outs, you will probably end up having to use Gatos or some other third-party driver. |
| 14:45.36 | liable | helo? |
| 14:45.37 | ericw | btw.. the number of atoms in the gallaxy -- pow(10, 223) |
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| 14:46.02 | ericw | so if you have a 512bit key, you have more than twice the number of possible combinations than there are atoms in our gallaxy |
| 14:46.14 | DevilChaos | pipeline i have gatos installed any tips for to find howtos? |
| 14:46.20 | DevilChaos | lol google |
| 14:46.27 | danielax | I like my 1024 bit GPG key |
| 14:46.33 | SimonRaven | liable: EHLO |
| 14:46.35 | facr | dev/psaux? |
| 14:46.35 | pipeline | abrotman: only went up to two :P |
| 14:46.37 | danielax | or was it 2048? |
| 14:46.37 | facr | is that it? |
| 14:46.37 | pipeline | DevilChaos: Nope. |
| 14:46.39 | fwtest | pipeline, does it mean, if we encrypt anything, wether it is DES or RSA or MD5 or what other else, they are encrypted as bits form? |
| 14:46.39 | DevilChaos | 2028 key i have |
| 14:46.45 | DevilChaos | 48 |
| 14:46.48 | DevilChaos | even |
| 14:46.50 | liable | SimonRaven: :) |
| 14:46.52 | pipeline | fwtest: MD5 isn't an encryption algorithm. It's a hash algo. |
| 14:46.52 | danielax | umm - usb optical mice, facr? |
| 14:47.01 | DevilChaos | lol |
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| 14:47.06 | fwtest | i see, nevermind that |
| 14:47.09 | pipeline | fwtest: I think you need a basic textbook on the subject. Let me dig around the internet for a second :| |
| 14:47.09 | SimonRaven | liable: :) |
| 14:47.15 | stjepan | what do you think of ATI r300 driver? |
| 14:47.19 | fwtest | thank you, that is nice |
| 14:47.27 | SimonRaven | internets and intarwebs |
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| 14:47.32 | soundray | ericw, I think you quoted the estimated number of atoms in the universe above (not galaxy). |
| 14:47.35 | DevilChaos | ati drivers are good |
| 14:47.39 | abrotman | pipeline: oh .. sorry .. i thought there was an extra 0 there |
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| 14:48.04 | pipeline | fwtest: http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/LEARNING.HTM |
| 14:48.06 | facr | netscrollps/2 danielax ? theres a lot of writing in the file hehe |
| 14:48.06 | DevilChaos | nvidea is harder to configure for debian especially with the oneliner |
| 14:48.22 | ericw | soundray, just going by what applied cryptrography quoted :) |
| 14:48.23 | pipeline | DevilChaos: Heh, nvidia "just works" if you use the module-assistant. |
| 14:48.25 | DevilChaos | i couldnt get mine to work so i went back to ati |
| 14:48.33 | pipeline | DevilChaos: You'll live to regret that one :P |
| 14:48.42 | danielax | facr: yes - you are looking. oh hang on - as root, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:48.50 | DevilChaos | maybe |
| 14:48.59 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 14:48.59 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:48.59 | DevilChaos | why? |
| 14:49.09 | danielax | keep all your existing choices, only check your mouse choices |
| 14:49.26 | danielax | !xmd5 |
| 14:49.27 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 14:49.31 | SimonRaven | gtg |
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| 14:50.21 | liable | me too, laters.. |
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| 14:50.32 | miguel_ | morning |
| 14:50.39 | maddoc | Gnea: I've only got /lib/lvm-10/ and /lib/lvm-default/ |
| 14:50.47 | danielax | ah well - i'm in need of sleep |
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| 14:50.48 | DevilChaos | abrotman: was the xserver info for me? |
| 14:50.59 | facr | danielax that package isnt installed |
| 14:51.05 | abrotman | no |
| 14:51.08 | DevilChaos | ok |
| 14:51.21 | danielax | dgpk-reconfigure xsever-xfree86 |
| 14:51.22 | danielax | then |
| 14:51.49 | DevilChaos | gatos gatos gatos i live in a flatos |
| 14:52.06 | abrotman | ask #ati |
| 14:52.08 | facr | ok, now what :D |
| 14:52.11 | abrotman | i already said that |
| 14:52.12 | maddoc | vgcreate -- ERROR -6 locking logical volume manager |
| 14:52.12 | maddoc | vgcreate -- LVM not in kernel/loaded? |
| 14:52.14 | maddoc | hm |
| 14:52.22 | DevilChaos | oh ati |
| 14:52.27 | danielax | well ist should prompt you for mouse info. try a differnt driver |
| 14:52.35 | dusty-- | Hey guys I have just put 1gb ram in my debian box it used to have 512mb rebooted.. but i dont see no difference? DO i have to re-install / remake swap ? |
| 14:52.36 | facr | nv = nvidea? |
| 14:52.36 | danielax | IMPS/2 is usually good |
| 14:52.43 | dusty-- | or should it just work straight away |
| 14:52.43 | danielax | try various ps/2 drivers |
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| 14:53.03 | facr | okay, thanks danielax :D |
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| 14:53.42 | maddoc | I'm running 2.6.15.1, where can I enable LVM in the kernel? |
| 14:53.43 | danielax | dusty--: you might not see any differnece untill you put it under load |
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| 14:54.09 | DevilChaos | thanks abrotman :) didnt know that channel would be on here |
| 14:54.11 | danielax | anyway , sleep -> /me |
| 14:54.19 | dusty-- | danielax, i am :) running vmware under gnome and few other apps and i so ne difference |
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| 14:54.32 | abrotman | DevilChaos: i told you 20 minutes ago |
| 14:54.37 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 14:54.42 | DevilChaos | sorry |
| 14:54.55 | DevilChaos | didnt realise |
| 14:54.58 | danielax | dusty--: top is a good program to explain system usage to you |
| 14:55.20 | danielax | Mem: 418236k total, 386312k used, 31924k free, 35608k buffers, for example (my box) |
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| 14:56.06 | danielax | sleep -> /me, again |
| 14:56.42 | Gnea | !lvm_tutorial |
| 14:56.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, lvm_tutorial is ibmdevworks tutorial http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/, or http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html |
| 14:57.16 | dusty-- | Mem: 484564k total, 268760k used, 215804k free, 18604k buffers |
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| 14:57.28 | dusty-- | whats that in mb's? |
| 14:58.13 | danielax | 1024kb=mb, so just ignore the last 3 digits and read it as a mb figure |
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| 14:58.33 | acmoud | how can I remote administrate a linux machine from my windowsxp desktop and run graphical programs like mozilla ? |
| 14:58.41 | danielax | acmoud: vnc |
| 14:58.57 | danielax | Run a server on linux, and a client on xp |
| 14:59.04 | danielax | Google is your friend |
| 14:59.06 | danielax | !google |
| 14:59.07 | dpkg | well, google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 14:59.07 | TBBle | acmoud: Also there's an XServer in Cygwin you can use |
| 14:59.08 | pipeline | danielax: VNC sucks ass on UNIX. |
| 14:59.15 | acmoud | yes, vnc sucks |
| 14:59.18 | pipeline | acmoud: I would go with Xming |
| 14:59.24 | acmoud | mmm |
| 14:59.28 | danielax | never heard of it... |
| 14:59.30 | danielax | oh well |
| 14:59.32 | pipeline | acmoud: It's the cygwin version of XFree86, only, without cygwin. |
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| 14:59.46 | pipeline | acmoud: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Xming |
| 14:59.53 | danielax | This is why we have 208 ppl answeing questions, not just me :) |
| 14:59.59 | pipeline | It uses MinGW, hence the name "Xming" |
| 15:00.01 | danielax | I love the ! commands |
| 15:00.05 | danielax | !debian |
| 15:00.05 | dpkg | methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 15:00.10 | pipeline | danielax: We noticed. |
| 15:00.15 | danielax | !ubuntu |
| 15:00.16 | dpkg | i guess ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 15:00.19 | asg | danielax: feel free to love them in private (/msg dpkg foo) |
| 15:00.26 | acmoud | xming will run fast firefox in my winxp desktop? |
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| 15:00.33 | danielax | righito . sorry :) |
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| 15:00.54 | broomy | just installed debian for the first time and im already loving it |
| 15:01.30 | broomy | but how do i change windowmanagers, there's no xwmconfig |
| 15:01.32 | pipeline | acmoud: Not really. Nothing on heaven or earth could make firefox fast. |
| 15:01.40 | abrotman | broomy: from what to what? |
| 15:01.50 | pipeline | broomy: You edit your ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc, depending on how you started X in the first place. |
| 15:02.13 | acmoud | ahahaha, thats true |
| 15:02.18 | broomy | okay, but in slackware there was something called xwmconfig |
| 15:02.26 | acmoud | I tried to install dillo, but I couldnt manage it |
| 15:02.29 | pipeline | broomy: If you used a display manager, you want to fool with ~/.xsession. If you didn't use a display manager, well, I don't want to touch that. xinit/startx are disgusting. |
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| 15:03.34 | acmoud | any other idea to browse remotelly the www in a gaphical way? |
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| 15:03.52 | gau | hello all |
| 15:04.07 | gau | i am trying to use asp filter to setup my printer ... |
| 15:04.24 | ericw | acmoud, ?? what do you mean? |
| 15:04.33 | ericw | acmoud, you can use lynx or links... |
| 15:04.34 | gau | i get Error: Could not load libomni.so when i try and print a testpage |
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| 15:04.44 | gau | how do i solve this ? |
| 15:04.44 | white | 안녕하세요 |
| 15:04.48 | acmoud | ericw what you didnt understand |
| 15:04.59 | ericw | acmoud, " any other idea to browse remotelly the www in a gaphical way" |
| 15:05.01 | acmoud | lynx is NOT graphical |
| 15:05.06 | facr | do you have to restart pc for changes to take effect when doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver |
| 15:05.07 | pipeline | white: This channel is english-only, I'm afraid. |
| 15:05.11 | ericw | "remotely the www ?" |
| 15:05.13 | pipeline | facr: You have to restart X. |
| 15:05.22 | ericw | acmoud, yes it is. |
| 15:05.28 | ericw | acmoud, lynx --dump isn't graphical |
| 15:05.30 | facr | pipeline X ? |
| 15:05.32 | broomy | there is a lynx-graphical i think |
| 15:05.37 | ericw | but regular lynx is graphical. |
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| 15:05.45 | abrotman | real dorks use telnet to surf the web! |
| 15:05.49 | acmoud | mmm |
| 15:05.50 | facr | hah |
| 15:05.51 | ericw | ncurses is graphics. |
| 15:05.53 | pipeline | acmoud: The easiest way to forward X11 is to enable X11 forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, then SIGHUP sshd. |
| 15:06.04 | acmoud | how do I start lynx ? |
| 15:06.12 | broomy | lynx google.com for example |
| 15:06.13 | ericw | type lynx |
| 15:06.13 | pipeline | acmoud: Then you can just start your X server on the windows machine, then do "ssh -X" into the linux thing and run X programs normally. |
| 15:06.20 | ericw | acmoud, links is a *lot* better though |
| 15:06.20 | UltraSub | Hi all... Maybe someone can help me out with this very strange thing I'm having here. Upgraded from old mobo and intel, to nforce4 with AMD64. Just plugged the old os hd in, and it worked. Now I want to recompile, for AMD64 optimization and highmem limit. However, _every_ kernel I compile gives me strange behaviour with hd's. |
| 15:06.24 | UltraSub | Mdadm for example says: no devices found for /dev/md2. But they are recognized by the kernel, and working! If I manually assemble the array, it starts. Furthermore, I get strange behaviour in /var. Some directories there aren't writable anymore. It's not mounted readonly, because in the root of /var, I can create files. |
| 15:06.25 | pipeline | facr: X is the window system. The thing with the graphics, and the mouse. |
| 15:06.28 | ericw | specifically "links2" package in debian |
| 15:06.54 | pipeline | UltraSub: Uh, I would run away from that with my tail between my legs. |
| 15:07.03 | ericw | pipeline, but that doesn't exclude ncurses from being graphics. or svgalib, or fbdev |
| 15:07.06 | pipeline | UltraSub: Get back to a working configuration and stop screwing with things before you break something. |
| 15:07.14 | pipeline | ericw: You're not going to get remote graphics with svgalib or directfb. |
| 15:07.16 | UltraSub | pipeline: heh :) |
| 15:07.21 | pipeline | ericw: And ncurses is explicitly not graphical. |
| 15:07.22 | ericw | pipeline, true. But you can with ncurses |
| 15:07.25 | pipeline | ericw: That's the whole point of ncurses. |
| 15:07.30 | ericw | pipeline, depends on your idea of graphical |
| 15:07.35 | DevilChaos | xorg suck ass at the moment no tvout :( |
| 15:07.39 | pipeline | ericw: No. "Graphical" has a definition. |
| 15:07.42 | UltraSub | pipeline: it works, with my old kernel... but _every_ new kernel I compile, gives me this strange behaviour. |
| 15:07.49 | pipeline | ericw: ncurses is graphical in the same sense that my foot is in your ass. |
| 15:07.53 | pipeline | ericw: i.e. it is not. |
| 15:08.02 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 15:08.06 | ericw | pipeline, its "cell graphics" |
| 15:08.16 | pipeline | ericw: The point of ncurses is that you can make pleasing menus work on a large number of terminals without knowing anything about the control codes. |
| 15:08.22 | UltraSub | pipeline: even compiling a new kernel, from the same source and .config, as the one that works, gives me shit... |
| 15:08.27 | pipeline | ericw: On VGA systems, yes, it uses "cell graphics" to implement ncurses. |
| 15:08.33 | UltraSub | i'm flabbergasted here :( |
| 15:08.35 | pipeline | UltraSub: Like I said, I would run the hell away before I fucked something up. |
| 15:08.53 | pipeline | ericw: However, ncurses is explicitly not graphical. You do not need a cell-graphics-capable terminal to handle ncurses. |
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| 15:09.09 | UltraSub | pipeline: i have backups :) |
| 15:09.12 | pipeline | ericw: e.g. non-REGIS, non-font-capable DEC terms work fine with ncurses. |
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| 15:09.31 | UltraSub | pipeline: just trying not to have to install from scratch (and I doubt if that's gonna work) |
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| 15:09.43 | pipeline | UltraSub: In that case, I'm going to assume that you're doing something really, really bizarre in your kernel configuration. Have you tried copying the debian kernel configuration and building that? |
| 15:09.44 | zach | thanks danielax, its fixed now |
| 15:09.49 | ericw | pipeline, my point is that ncurses can provide graphics. Its not the same kind of graphics that X11 provides, but I do consider them graphics. |
| 15:09.57 | pipeline | ericw: And you're totally, completely wrong. |
| 15:09.58 | ericw | maybe thats just the old fart in my talking |
| 15:10.11 | pipeline | ericw: Less the old fart and more the fool. You're just wrong. |
| 15:10.22 | UltraSub | pipeline: exactly... that's what im trying to say! I copied the current .config, and even used the same kernel-source!! |
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| 15:10.47 | pipeline | UltraSub: Gah. Use the debian sources, with the debian build system? |
| 15:10.52 | UltraSub | pipeline: and after that, while it should be exactly the same kernel, it won't boot the newly compiled one, but when i revert to the old one, it works |
| 15:10.56 | pipeline | UltraSub: Have you tried booting with raid=noautodetect or whatever it is? |
| 15:11.16 | pipeline | ericw: There is such a thing as graphical terminals, mind you. And there are libraries to handle that. |
| 15:11.21 | pipeline | ericw: ncurses is not one of them |
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| 15:11.42 | ericw | pipeline, can users *see* what ncurses prints out? |
| 15:11.44 | pipeline | ericw: ncurses' purpose is to handle virtually all kinds of character-only terminals without the programmer having to worry about what specific type of terminal the end-user is using. |
| 15:11.47 | UltraSub | pipeline: yes, i use linux-source from apt-get (tried 2.6.8, running that one now, and it works), and tried 2.6.15 |
| 15:11.52 | ericw | pipeline, or do they need to run to a printer to see it? |
| 15:11.55 | pipeline | ericw: It's like termcap on steroids. |
| 15:11.56 | acmoud | lynx is text browser, how can it be graphical ? |
| 15:11.57 | ericw | ir worse, look at leds |
| 15:11.59 | UltraSub | pipeline: didn't try booting with noautodetect |
| 15:12.11 | pipeline | ericw: You could indeed run ncurses on a printer. |
| 15:12.15 | ericw | pipeline, character-only terminals are technically graphical too. |
| 15:12.22 | pipeline | acmoud: ericw is just a fool. Don't worry about it. |
| 15:12.25 | pipeline | ericw: Not necessarily. |
| 15:12.25 | ericw | pipeline, if you can see it, is that not a graphic. |
| 15:12.26 | SuN | Hi, I'm trying to upgrade the kernel on a Debian system, I built it and I'm adding it to menu.lst, but I noticed the default kernels use initrd's, do I need to use that as well? |
| 15:12.31 | crypt_ex | I have just attempted a dist-upgrade to testing, but am having problems. Having problems with udev, hotplug and not a high enough kernel. Any help will be greaty appreciated! |
| 15:12.41 | UltraSub | are there things to be aware of, when moving from intel, to amd64 cpu? |
| 15:12.50 | UltraSub | maybe something goes wrong in compile? |
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| 15:13.10 | theD3viL | crypt_ex: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=3642 |
| 15:13.11 | pipeline | ericw: I'm afraid not. |
| 15:13.12 | ericw | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.12 | ericw | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.12 | ericw | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.25 | crypt_ex | theD3viL: I cant go there! No X....in irsii at the mo! |
| 15:13.37 | pipeline | ericw: That is the wrong definition. ncurses outputs nothing that is "written," "drawn," or "engraved" |
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| 15:13.48 | pipeline | 3 plural but singular or plural in construction : the process whereby a computer displays graphics on a CRT and an operator can manipulate them (as with a light pen) |
| 15:13.50 | crypt_ex | theD3viL: You dont know what I need to do? If I could X I would check it |
| 15:14.02 | theD3viL | crypt_ex: okey, ill wrote to you |
| 15:14.12 | crypt_ex | Thanks theD3viL :) |
| 15:14.29 | theD3viL | crypt_ex: apt-get remove initramfs-tools && apt-get install yaird && dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 15:14.29 | crypt_ex | theD3viL: I have tried installing by apt-get but not getting anywhere. |
| 15:14.37 | zach | is gaim safe? |
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| 15:14.43 | theD3viL | zach: why not ? |
| 15:14.46 | ericw | pipeline, in the 70's, a vga virtual terminal would likely have been considered graphical, I imagine. |
| 15:14.53 | acmoud | is there a 'more graphical than lynx' browser for linux? |
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| 15:15.12 | pipeline | ericw: A VGA vty does a hell of a lot more than ncurses requires or uses. |
| 15:15.14 | theD3viL | acmoud: links |
| 15:15.16 | ericw | acmoud, links2. |
| 15:15.29 | pipeline | ericw: In the 70s, there were many graphical terminals that would actually do graphics. |
| 15:15.43 | pipeline | ericw: They were relatively common, and not all that expensive (relative to a conventional terminal.) |
| 15:15.45 | crypt_ex | theD3viL: thanks, gonna try it |
| 15:15.51 | theD3viL | crypt_ex: np |
| 15:16.17 | zach | hey is gaim already on debian, can i apt-get ? |
| 15:16.19 | pipeline | ericw: Finding software that actually takes advantage of a graphics terminal is really hard, though. X11 kind of killed off all of the vendor graphics terms. |
| 15:16.23 | pipeline | zach: Yes. |
| 15:16.26 | ericw | pipeline, anyway, I'm done discussing it. We choose to differ our opinions. I recognize that X11 is far more capable than ncurses, but I do think that ncurses provides a way to graphically represent information for a user, more-so than, say.. a command prompt. |
| 15:16.26 | zach | thanks :D |
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| 15:16.34 | acmoud | links2 is only for debian ? |
| 15:16.48 | pipeline | acmoud: No, but it's pretty much only for UNIX. |
| 15:16.56 | pipeline | acmoud: It'll compile on just about any UNIX system. |
| 15:17.27 | acmoud | I typed 'yum install links2' and my machine couldnt download it |
| 15:17.44 | pipeline | ericw: I'd still love to get cell graphics going on a VT220 or something. There used to be a filthy hack that would upload custom fonts to the terminal, then paint them very carefully to get something like graphics :) |
| 15:17.46 | ericw | in the same way that 'od' can provide a graphical representation of a binary, versus using 'cat' against it. |
| 15:18.11 | pipeline | adoniz: Ask #fedora. That's not our problem. |
| 15:18.24 | crypt_ex | theD3viL: Its not working, as udev needs depends hotplug, but hotplug requires the new kernel I think. Shall I reboot and try? |
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| 15:18.58 | theD3viL | crypt_ex: wtf ?! You have 2.4 ? |
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| 15:19.12 | zach | um, should i get a firewall program? coyote? |
| 15:19.30 | debiankid | jjazz are you there? |
| 15:19.32 | debiankid | hello all |
| 15:19.44 | theD3viL | crypt_ex: udev DOESNT need hotplug, there must be purged hotplug, udev requires 2.4.12 < |
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| 15:20.01 | adoniz | is there a 'more graphical than lynx apart from links2' browser for linux? |
| 15:20.05 | crypt_ex | theD3viL: I am on 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 15:20.27 | theD3viL | crypt_ex: so you runing stable? |
| 15:20.30 | _rene_ | theD3viL: udev needs 2.6.12 |
| 15:20.30 | pipeline | adoniz: Gah. lightweight browsers: lynx, links, w3m, links2, dillo. |
| 15:20.51 | theD3viL | _rene_: i typed...wanted to wrote 2.6 |
| 15:20.51 | pipeline | adoniz: dillo is graphical, but has virtually no features. (no css or javascript or ssl...) |
| 15:20.56 | crypt_ex | theD3viL: sorry, udev needs 2.6.12 or higher |
| 15:21.08 | pipeline | adoniz: w3m is really a much nicer browser than dillo, but it is non-graphical. |
| 15:21.10 | theD3viL | crypt_ex: ^ |
| 15:21.13 | crypt_ex | I cant install a higher kernel |
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| 15:21.28 | theD3viL | crypt_ex: dont know for sarge. |
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| 15:21.45 | crypt_ex | :( Cant install a higher kernel either! |
| 15:22.01 | Debian | hi |
| 15:22.03 | theD3viL | crypt_ex: higher kenrel is only in testing unstable. |
| 15:22.06 | theD3viL | hth |
| 15:22.08 | theD3viL | htg |
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| 15:22.28 | crypt_ex | theD3viL: I really dont know what to try, any suggestions? |
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| 15:22.48 | crypt_ex | I am not sure why this did not work, did everything the way I have read |
| 15:22.49 | Emi | hi |
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| 15:23.09 | Emi | i have some problems, can any one help me? |
| 15:23.19 | Emi | and sorry for my english plz |
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| 15:24.05 | debiankid | hey pple what can be this mail log message ? Feb 10 18:18:42 simpson imaplogin: Connection, ip=[::ffff:127.0.0.1] |
| 15:24.05 | debiankid | Feb 10 18:18:42 simpson imaplogin: chdir Maildir: No such file or directory |
| 15:24.15 | Brian_L | Emi: ask your question. |
| 15:24.23 | fwtest | pipeline, if one want to brute force a 56-bit long key like DES, where does he get this key? i am talking from the view of brute forcing password, which is hashed by md5 for example |
| 15:24.24 | Emi | my problem is i have a debian server and with nmap he shows me some open services |
| 15:24.30 | debiankid | i am not using ipv6 im using ipv4 |
| 15:24.30 | Emi | i want so stopp them |
| 15:24.50 | pipeline | fwtest: That's what brute force is. Guessing. You try every possibility. |
| 15:24.53 | Emi | i try this "update-inetd --remove service" but it dosnt works |
| 15:25.18 | Brian_L | Emi: did you edit the config file manually? |
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| 15:25.40 | Brian_L | Emi: what services? |
| 15:25.43 | fwtest | pipeline, if you guess, you must compare, with what do you compare? do you compare it with a string or ? |
| 15:25.50 | Emi | i try, i open it with vi but there are all lines with an # at the beginning |
| 15:26.06 | Emi | services like http, smtp, rpcbind |
| 15:26.19 | crypt_ex | Anyone know much about the upgrade process from stable to testing, because I could really do with a hand now guys |
| 15:26.28 | pipeline | fwtest: Heh, you have to know something about the contents of the ciphertext in order to know whether you were successful, that is true. |
| 15:26.36 | Emi | i try to edit this file "/etc/inetd.conf" |
| 15:27.03 | asg | crypt_ex: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 15:27.07 | pipeline | fwtest: Seriously, read beginners cryptography stuff. I can't explain this very well, and I don't know much about crypto to begin with. |
| 15:27.35 | Brian_L | Emi: Start by uninstalling the webserver. |
| 15:27.39 | crypt_ex | asg: Have read it and am stuck halfway through this |
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| 15:27.54 | bwlang | anybody know how to set up a tc filter to match a port range? |
| 15:27.55 | TBBle | "apt-get install libquantum-entanglement-perl" Final ultimate super proof that Debian is the bestest OS ever... |
| 15:28.07 | Emi | ok but its no other way to stopp the services? and how to stop smtp ? |
| 15:28.08 | zach | whats the best mp3 player to get? |
| 15:28.12 | asg | crypt_ex: stuck on which part? |
| 15:28.13 | Zugschlus | can I reconfigure a package from aptitude's interactive mode? |
| 15:28.27 | Emi | and its one service called "unkown" with port 766 |
| 15:28.29 | asg | zach: I prefer mpd and the mpc cli client myself. |
| 15:28.43 | crypt_ex | asg: hangon just tried something and it might of tricked apt-get ....fingers crossed |
| 15:28.48 | fwtest | ok, i am just curious, what deep crack did on that contest. did they given a string, which they should decrypt and find the plain text? |
| 15:28.59 | zach | not too familiar with that asg |
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| 15:29.13 | zach | is x multimedia system ok? |
| 15:29.18 | asg | zach: well, then use xmms |
| 15:29.21 | zach | k |
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| 15:29.40 | Brian_L | Emi: check this out http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s-rpc |
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| 15:29.58 | Emi | thx |
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| 15:30.30 | zach | asg, do you know a good filewall "program" ? |
| 15:30.37 | zach | firewall** |
| 15:30.54 | dowxp | apf? |
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| 15:31.30 | asg | zach: firehol is decent. |
| 15:31.45 | gau | is there something equivalent to omni-cups in debian ? |
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| 15:31.53 | zach | ok ill check it out thanks |
| 15:32.03 | frolik | hi folks, is this the best place to ask about a xfree86/video driver problem? |
| 15:32.10 | Emi | Brain_L: its working thx :) but is the only way to stop services by uninstalling them ? |
| 15:32.53 | len | Hello. Is anyone else getting bzip errors when performing an 'apt-get update'? Just wondering if there might be any corrupt files on some mirrors... |
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| 15:33.01 | shingouz | frolik: if you are running debian this probably is the place to ask |
| 15:33.09 | _slash | hi guys |
| 15:33.23 | adoniz | I have set w3m to download some files, if I close putty downloads will stop? |
| 15:33.28 | frolik | I've just done a fresh debian install! But after running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 I get the error "no screens found" |
| 15:33.33 | frolik | shingouz: thanks |
| 15:33.37 | azeem | adoniz: did you background them? |
| 15:33.37 | _slash | how do I disable services on bootup like ntp synchroniz? |
| 15:33.43 | adoniz | no |
| 15:33.49 | adoniz | how do I do this |
| 15:33.51 | azeem | ^z |
| 15:33.52 | asg | _slash: rcconf, update-rc.d |
| 15:33.53 | azeem | bg |
| 15:33.56 | frolik | can anyone tell me which is the config file for xfree86? |
| 15:33.58 | Brian_L | Emi: thats how i do it, look at the debian harden packages. |
| 15:34.02 | azeem | adoniz: i.e. hit ctrl+z, then type bg |
| 15:34.12 | asg | frolik: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 15:34.20 | asg | frolik: also, /msg dpkg x md5 |
| 15:34.20 | azeem | adoniz: I hope w3m handles this well |
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| 15:34.39 | asg | frolik: rather /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 15:34.40 | azeem | frolik: what kind of graphic card do you have? |
| 15:34.40 | _slash | asg, thank you |
| 15:34.41 | frolik | asg: thanks, so if I delete this file and run dpkg-reconfigure.... will this default my config? |
| 15:34.50 | azeem | frolik: no, just rerun it |
| 15:34.55 | frolik | azeem: it's an onboard s3trio3d |
| 15:34.56 | azeem | frolik: unless you edited already |
| 15:35.09 | azeem | frolik: also, did you check the logs in /var/log/X* ? |
| 15:35.14 | DevilChaos | what package do i use for cvs for connecting to a pserver? sorceforge is what im trying tio connedct to |
| 15:35.16 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 15:35.25 | azeem | frolik: some hints might be in there, look out for lines with 'EE' |
| 15:35.25 | SuN | Does grub boot the top kernel image by default? |
| 15:35.32 | frolik | azeem: I had a look but the error immediately returns "no screens found" |
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| 15:35.47 | DevilChaos | sun:should do |
| 15:35.48 | azeem | frolik: there should be lots of output before that? |
| 15:35.49 | frolik | azeem: ok thanks I'll go check |
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| 15:35.58 | SuN | DevilChaos: alright, thanks. |
| 15:36.17 | azeem | SuN: unless you specify another one with the 'default' options |
| 15:36.28 | SuN | Ah, ok. |
| 15:36.29 | frolik | azeem: yeah there is actually but it goes off screen. visible is the fatal error |
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| 15:37.07 | DevilChaos | what package do i use for connecting to a pserver? |
| 15:37.16 | orgy | DevilChaos: cvs |
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| 15:39.16 | frolik | azeem: thanks, I've just seen that it said no s3 found on the pci address i selected... |
| 15:39.26 | azeem | frolik: don't select one |
| 15:39.35 | azeem | just leave that empty |
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| 15:39.41 | azeem | it should find it automatically |
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| 15:40.30 | frolik | azeem: ok have tried that, now i'm getting 16bit not valid for this driver, changing now |
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| 15:41.48 | azeem | frolik: whoa, maybe there is some specific documentation for it on the net |
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| 15:42.29 | frolik | azeem: ok thanks for your help, now i know a bit more whats going on I'll have a play around |
| 15:42.37 | frolik | azeem: much obliged :D |
| 15:42.39 | pipeline | frolik: Getting S3 Trio running is not easy to do, by the way. :( |
| 15:42.53 | frolik | pipeline: I wondered if someone might say that! |
| 15:42.55 | crypt_ex | Having problems with stable>testing upgrade. I am failing because udev requires a 2.6.12> kernel, which I dont have. How can I get rid of this impossible dependcy? |
| 15:42.57 | azeem | frolik: cheers, good luck |
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| 15:43.14 | azeem | crypt_ex: get a new kernel, testing should have them |
| 15:43.24 | dvs | crypt_ex: Get a linux-kernel package |
| 15:43.34 | crypt_ex | azeem: I have dont that, but still fails, it was linux-kernel-2.8.15 |
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| 15:43.59 | azeem | crypt_ex: ? |
| 15:44.01 | crypt_ex | dvs: done with apt-get install udev linux-kernel-2.6.15 |
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| 15:44.11 | azeem | crypt_ex: you need to have it running |
| 15:44.20 | dvs | crypt_ex: install the kernel first |
| 15:44.21 | azeem | (maybe) |
| 15:44.25 | crypt_ex | azeem: Yeah, but when I reboot, its not in the grub menu |
| 15:44.32 | azeem | oh? |
| 15:44.37 | crypt_ex | not there |
| 15:44.43 | azeem | crypt_ex: did you make the grub menu up yourself? |
| 15:44.54 | crypt_ex | azeem: nope, installed it and rebooted. |
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| 15:45.12 | DevilChaos | what would be the tree directory for xorg instead of the /path/to/xfree86/tree? |
| 15:45.16 | broomy | how do i shutdown X? |
| 15:45.27 | azeem | DevilChaos: which tree directory? |
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| 15:45.34 | DevilChaos | ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 15:45.37 | azeem | broomy: how did you start it? |
| 15:45.40 | Emi | Brain_L: i have the next problem, at the moment i installed "portsentry" nothing else. I dont configure it. i try nmap again and now i have much more ports open whats happen |
| 15:45.40 | DevilChaos | stopps x |
| 15:45.53 | broomy | azeem, it starts automaticly |
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| 15:46.02 | azeem | broomy: then /etc/init.d/gdm stop, probably |
| 15:46.04 | Emi | ist more then 15 ports open now |
| 15:46.05 | azeem | !nodm |
| 15:46.05 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 15:46.14 | asg | Emi: portsentry listens on unused ports and then provides reporting of people hitting them |
| 15:46.22 | asg | Emi: /usr/share/doc/portsentry |
| 15:46.25 | DevilChaos | azeem :xmkmf /path/to/your/xfree86/tree tring to do this command |
| 15:46.33 | broomy | DevilChaos, ctrl+alt+backspace, will it destroy something or is it safe to do that? |
| 15:46.44 | DevilChaos | should be ok |
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| 15:46.48 | broomy | ok |
| 15:47.02 | mha13 | how much space should i give 2 root & usr dirs ? (im newb to debian) |
| 15:47.12 | Emi | asg: i will hite them, i will stopp all services but how ? |
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| 15:47.32 | DevilChaos | azeem:? |
| 15:47.32 | crypt_ex | I am going to edit grub myself then, how do I copy a line with vi? |
| 15:47.38 | crypt_ex | yank |
| 15:47.49 | DevilChaos | use nano its better |
| 15:47.57 | asg | Emi: it depends on which services are running. |
| 15:48.19 | crypt_ex | DevilChaos: I do prefer vi, just forgot the yank, as I am so used to gui now |
| 15:48.19 | Emi | can i post you the services ? |
| 15:48.26 | azeem | DevilChaos: you're trying to build something? |
| 15:48.28 | asg | crypt_ex: yy |
| 15:48.34 | crypt_ex | asg: and paste? |
| 15:48.34 | DevilChaos | yes |
| 15:48.39 | asg | crypt_ex: p |
| 15:48.39 | DevilChaos | ati drivers for tvout |
| 15:48.43 | crypt_ex | asg: ta |
| 15:49.00 | azeem | DevilChaos: it's probabl /usr/X11R6 or something, dunno |
| 15:49.15 | azeem | DevilChaos: should be the same for X.org 6.9, xmkmf is obselete for X.org 7.0 |
| 15:49.18 | DevilChaos | ah |
| 15:49.24 | Emi | asg: can i post you the services they are running ? |
| 15:49.36 | DevilChaos | 6.8 iv got |
| 15:51.26 | crypt_ex | here goes nothing |
| 15:51.41 | crypt_ex | Do I need to update grub before I reboot? |
| 15:51.55 | dvs | crypt_ex: Did you install a debian kernel? |
| 15:51.56 | crypt_ex | still used to the lilo days |
| 15:52.14 | crypt_ex | dvs: all installed, but the deb did not add the entry to grub.conf |
| 15:52.36 | dvs | crypt_ex: it should be in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:52.58 | DevilChaos | why do they make things so BF complicated |
| 15:53.15 | crypt_ex | dvs: ah it is there |
| 15:53.23 | asg | Emi: use a paster bot |
| 15:53.30 | crypt_ex | dvs: but not when I reboot. Does grub need updating then? |
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| 15:53.37 | dvs | crypt_ex: nope |
| 15:53.42 | crypt_ex | Then what? |
| 15:53.43 | Emi | what is this ??? |
| 15:53.47 | asg | !paster |
| 15:53.47 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 15:53.49 | asg | Emi: ^^ |
| 15:53.49 | DevilChaos | ev out works just not in x really doing my head in |
| 15:53.53 | dvs | crypt_ex: installing a kernel deb updates grub |
| 15:54.20 | crypt_ex | dvs: but this did not update the bootloader as such, no option when rebooting. |
| 15:54.24 | asg | Emi: paste the output of 'netstat -plunt' in the paster bot |
| 15:54.47 | ringo999 | how can i play stupid .asf / .ram files over the network? the vlc-mozilla plugin show "no picture" and streaming the link directly doesnt work either (with vlc) |
| 15:54.50 | dvs | crypt_ex: you want to add more kernel options when booting? |
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| 15:55.12 | frolik | ARGH, I was chasing my tail! doing startx logged in as root so all my new config's weren't being loaded..... got it working now though using the s3virge driver |
| 15:55.13 | crypt_ex | dvs: I have no choice.... I have doing a dist-upgrade stable>testing |
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| 15:55.33 | crypt_ex | dvs: dependcy, udev requires higher kernel. |
| 15:55.50 | dvs | crypt_ex: So install the kernel, reboot, then install udev |
| 15:55.54 | frolik | can some kind person please tell me how to allow my user logon to use sudo? thanks |
| 15:55.57 | tzafrir_laptop | anybody here managed to successfully install tutos or tutos2 on Sarge? |
| 15:56.05 | asg | frolik: man sudoers |
| 15:56.12 | crypt_ex | dvs: Yes it theory...but kernel was not in the option in grub when rebooting. |
| 15:56.20 | asg | frolik: there are lots of examples near the bottom of the manpage |
| 15:56.21 | Emi | asg: what is the paster bot ? |
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| 15:56.46 | crypt_ex | How do I manually update grub? |
| 15:56.47 | dvs | crypt_ex: Oh wait. You may have to add some entries to your /etc/kernel-img.conf file |
| 15:56.48 | asg | Emi: it's a website that allows you to paste large amounts of text and the provide a URL to us for review. If you paste in channel, you will get kicked. |
| 15:56.50 | azeem | !paster |
| 15:56.50 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 15:56.51 | tzafrir_laptop | Which of the two is recommended? Those packages are very low on Debian documentation |
| 15:56.58 | crypt_ex | dvs: okay |
| 15:57.02 | dvs | postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub |
| 15:57.02 | dvs | postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub |
| 15:57.10 | frolik | asg: thanks I'll go check it |
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| 15:57.44 | blondie | how do I tell debian to use the serial port for console instead of kb/mouse? |
| 15:58.00 | blondie | on x86 |
| 15:58.01 | crypt_ex | dvs: just add, then reboot? |
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| 15:58.11 | dvs | crypt_ex: Try "update-grub" now |
| 15:58.21 | dvs | as root |
| 15:58.28 | ootput | any of you know the correct download links for the fonts in the mstt fonts package? |
| 15:58.32 | asg | blondie: look for the serial-console howto at tldp.org |
| 15:58.38 | crypt_ex | dvs there already present in that file, trying update-grub |
| 15:58.45 | blondie | k |
| 15:59.05 | crypt_ex | dvs: thats added it now...rebooting ...bbiab, hopefully in X. |
| 15:59.06 | zach | can i install rpm files? |
| 15:59.11 | dvs | crypt_ex: If they were already in the file then it should have worked before |
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| 15:59.14 | crypt_ex | dvs: oh yea..... thanks:) |
| 15:59.16 | asg | zach: you can but it isn't recommended |
| 15:59.21 | crypt_ex | dvs: god knows |
| 15:59.21 | zach | k |
| 15:59.27 | asg | zach: or likely to work (apt-cache show alien) |
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| 16:01.12 | zach | asg what p2p program is used most? |
| 16:01.28 | asg | zach: /msg dpkg popcon |
| 16:01.47 | adoniz | "you can use GIMLET applet located on your top panel to switch between different installed LE" |
| 16:01.47 | adoniz | how?? |
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| 16:02.09 | asg | zach: those stats are a little skewed since not everyone participates in popcon. |
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| 16:02.30 | asg | zach: I personally don't use p2p so can't comment on my preference. |
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| 16:03.28 | jetscreamer | i'm baaaack |
| 16:03.33 | zach | thats fine |
| 16:03.35 | dvs | !beer jetscreamer |
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| 16:03.52 | jetscreamer | !wine dvs |
| 16:04.01 | zach | thanks for your help, gnite all |
| 16:04.04 | dvs | !whine jetscreamer |
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| 16:04.11 | jetscreamer | !pal dvs |
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| 16:04.45 | zulu42 | hi there, I use dual monitor and want to use xvidtune to have descent modeline.. the question is how tell xvidtune "manage the 2nd screen" ? |
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| 16:05.13 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:06.39 | ringo999 | how can i play wmv/asf/ram files from the net? anyone? |
| 16:06.41 | ronove | I've got a problem with xfce4. I ran nautilius once, and it changed my background. I didn't really like it, so I've quit it, but the background stayed the nautilius one. After I rebooted, there wasn't any background anymore =/ |
| 16:06.48 | rutski89 | How does debian automatically know which name servers to put in /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 16:07.04 | dvs | rutski89: probably dhclient |
| 16:07.05 | abrotman | rutski89: you eithe rtell it .. or it comes from dhcp or ppp |
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| 16:07.14 | rutski89 | abrotman: hmm, i see |
| 16:07.25 | rutski89 | abrotman: so my router tells it |
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| 16:07.34 | abrotman | if you use dhcp with your router |
| 16:07.36 | rutski89 | yea |
| 16:07.46 | asg | abrotman: nah, joeyh decides which ones you should have based on his mood at the time of installation. |
| 16:07.48 | abrotman | unless you tell dhclient not to use those dns servers |
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| 16:07.54 | rutski89 | oh yea, i set my router on as a name server on two other computers, my mac and my winxp box |
| 16:07.55 | ringo999 | hi abrotman |
| 16:07.58 | rutski89 | and it worked d O.o |
| 16:08.01 | abrotman | asg: hehe .. if he hates you .. 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:08.06 | abrotman | ringo999: hi |
| 16:08.10 | rutski89 | i mean... i didn't know my router had a dns server running |
| 16:08.22 | asg | abrotman: well, you could always use dnscache in that case :p |
| 16:08.41 | abrotman | asg: only if joey lets you! |
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| 16:08.51 | dvs | !beer crpyt_ex |
| 16:08.54 | asg | abrotman: true |
| 16:09.04 | crpyt_ex | lol |
| 16:09.09 | abrotman | asg: tonight at 9pm .. the world according to joeyh |
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| 16:09.43 | asg | abrotman: tonight at 9pm .. Joey shows of his new chipper/mulcher and builds another arm box. |
| 16:09.52 | crpyt_ex | dvs: Its now in the menu, however does not boot! *gulp* VFS: cannot open root device. invalid root option? The entry in grub.conf looks the same as the rest though |
| 16:09.54 | ClayG | does debian have tracert? |
| 16:09.58 | ClayG | vanilla? |
| 16:10.01 | asg | ClayG: yes, it's called traceroute |
| 16:10.06 | ringo999 | abrotman: which desktop evironment do you use? which music app to play mp3s offline/online? which browser do you favor? how do you play asf/wmv/ram files from the net? |
| 16:10.06 | ClayG | just wondering because I dont see it in ubuntu |
| 16:10.14 | abrotman | asg: oh .. the mulcher will probably be used to serve security.debian.org |
| 16:10.16 | ringo999 | abrotman: lots of questions...i know |
| 16:10.19 | pipeline | ClayG: #ubuntu. |
| 16:10.19 | asg | abrotman: hahah |
| 16:10.27 | ringo999 | abrotman: just intersted what a pro like you uses ;-) |
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| 16:10.33 | ClayG | hmm all i have is traceroute6 |
| 16:10.33 | pipeline | ClayG: As a rule, we don't do the ubuntu thing. This is #debian. We talk about debian. Ubuntu is someone else's problem :| |
| 16:10.34 | abrotman | ringo999: gnome,xmms,opera,totem-xine(w/w32codecs) |
| 16:10.35 | tzafrir_laptop | ClayG, apt-get install traceroute |
| 16:10.49 | tzafrir_laptop | traceroute6 is for ipv6 |
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| 16:10.49 | shug | hi all |
| 16:10.54 | ClayG | yes |
| 16:10.56 | asg | abrotman: hah, he called you a pro |
| 16:11.02 | abrotman | asg: at what? |
| 16:11.04 | ClayG | I would have guessed, i found it odd that there wasn't a reg |
| 16:11.09 | dvs | crpyt_ex: Well, the only thing I can think of is that it cannot find the initrd file |
| 16:11.10 | asg | abrotman: nfc |
| 16:11.12 | tzafrir_laptop | it's in /usr/sbin/traceroute, so it's not in your PATH |
| 16:11.23 | crpyt_ex | dvs: letme check |
| 16:11.24 | abrotman | ringo999: did i answer them all ? |
| 16:11.28 | asg | tzafrir_laptop: no, it's in /usr/bin |
| 16:11.30 | shug | can I ask something about harware raid with promise fasttrack ? |
| 16:11.47 | DevilChaos | where would the xc file normally be for xfree86 /usr/X11/ ? |
| 16:11.51 | dvs | shug: promise ain't hardware RAID |
| 16:11.58 | asg | tzafrir_laptop: there are links from both to /etc/alternatives |
| 16:12.00 | ClayG | not in that dir for me |
| 16:12.02 | pipeline | dvs: Promise makes hardware RAID... |
| 16:12.19 | dvs | pipeline: I was thinking about the BIOS stuff |
| 16:12.25 | asg | pipeline: doesn't promise also make margarine? |
| 16:12.26 | shug | dvs : ok I've headr it was a "software" raid (Fasttrack 133 lite) |
| 16:12.32 | ringo999 | abrotman: yeah you did, whats so good about opera? isnt there any better? |
| 16:12.36 | ClayG | wow tzafrir_laptop i did have to install it, heh they included 6 but nothing i can actually use |
| 16:12.40 | abrotman | ringo999: i like it .. been using it a while .. |
| 16:12.41 | ClayG | cawksuckas |
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| 16:12.47 | pipeline | shug: Oh, ft 133? yeah, that's "software-assisted" RAID. |
| 16:12.48 | shug | dvs : but do you know if it works under linux ? |
| 16:12.48 | ClayG | and pipeline thanks for reminder of the rules |
| 16:12.50 | abrotman | ringo999: FF is good in a pinch :) |
| 16:12.54 | pipeline | shug: It does work, but don't bother. |
| 16:13.00 | crpyt_ex | dvs: looks present in /boot/ |
| 16:13.02 | ringo999 | abrotman: yeah i like the FF extensions, they help a lot somtiems |
| 16:13.06 | ClayG | i was hoping you were going to tell me to man or google it also |
| 16:13.09 | pipeline | ClayG: Just install debian. It will make your life easier. |
| 16:13.16 | crpyt_ex | hmmm. This is turning into a knightmare |
| 16:13.16 | dvs | shug: I'm using a Promise SATA controller with one of my computers |
| 16:13.22 | pipeline | ClayG: Or, alternatively, try #ubuntu. Believe it or not, it's really a rather helpful channel. |
| 16:13.30 | ClayG | there was a problem |
| 16:13.32 | ClayG | oh yes |
| 16:13.36 | dvs | crpyt_ex: Does /boot/grub/menu.lst point to it? |
| 16:13.39 | ClayG | when trying to go from xfree to xorg |
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| 16:13.44 | ClayG | there was a big shit storm |
| 16:13.47 | pipeline | shug: Linux software RAID is a lot nicer than dealing with the "ataraid" driver. |
| 16:13.56 | ringo999 | abrotman: and xmms? isnt there any better? ;) i kind of like rhythmbox but is crashes to often. i was recommened opencubeplayer but it takes to much cpu recourses i think... |
| 16:14.01 | ClayG | but it was good for the most part, i liked it. less packages available which is odd |
| 16:14.04 | abrotman | ringo999: the only really cool one i've found is EditCSS .. which if you're spending any time at all doing webdev .. is a freaking must |
| 16:14.17 | shug | pipeline / dvs : for me it's "simple" IDE but with the debian boot cd (netinst or businesscard) my raid array is not detected (sho me my 2 HDD) |
| 16:14.24 | ClayG | as far as vanilla sources.list (even though my debian had no sources other than a cd link) |
| 16:14.24 | pipeline | shug: On the plus side, those are really nice ATA controllers if you don't use the stupidass RAID array function. |
| 16:14.24 | abrotman | ringo999: i don't have complicated needs for mp3 playing .. just make it sound right and have a random :) |
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| 16:14.46 | pipeline | shug: Eh, you may have to get further along in the install, to where it downloads modules. |
| 16:14.53 | pipeline | shug: I don't think there are any IDE drivers to speak of on the CD. |
| 16:14.58 | crpyt_ex | dvs: just checking |
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| 16:15.09 | shug | pipeline : should I just install my debian system with soft raid and forget about promise "hardware" on my motheboard ? |
| 16:15.18 | ringo999 | abrotman: what about the adblock/noscript/fasterfox plugins...they are cool too |
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| 16:15.21 | pipeline | shug: Yeah. Linux software RAID is really nice. |
| 16:15.39 | pipeline | shug: It's probably faster, too, actually. |
| 16:15.46 | abrotman | ringo999: i don't mind ads .. and as a matter of fact .. i was considering writing a plugin to "click" the ads |
| 16:15.48 | shug | really ? |
| 16:15.53 | crpyt_ex | dvs: Your right, sorry... your so right lol |
| 16:15.53 | shug | pipeline : really ? |
| 16:16.03 | pipeline | shug: That hardware-assisted RAID doesn't actually do anything RAID-ish. It uses the host processor for everything. |
| 16:16.09 | crpyt_ex | dvs well done....suprised why it was not added. |
| 16:16.12 | pipeline | shug: md is a little more efficient than constantly having bus traffic.... |
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| 16:16.37 | shug | pipeline : okok, so this is just a fake raid controller ;) |
| 16:16.38 | pipeline | shug: i.e. no huge interrupt load from the controller saying "hey, ataraid driver, checksum this block for me." "now this block." "now this block." |
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| 16:16.58 | pipeline | shug: Yeah. Those are great ATA controllers, though. If you put them in a PCI-X slot, they do 66 MHz :) |
| 16:17.33 | shug | pipeline : ok ok I'll deal with that, thanks a lot |
| 16:17.38 | ringo999 | abrotman: where do i find these w32codecs for totem? apt-cache search doesnt show anything... |
| 16:17.45 | abrotman | !tell ringo999 about w32codecs |
| 16:18.02 | dvs | !tell ringo999 -about marillat |
| 16:18.13 | abrotman | dvs: the factoid says that :) |
| 16:18.17 | dvs | :-P |
| 16:18.51 | ClayG | oh shit |
| 16:18.56 | coolpix | oi |
| 16:18.56 | ClayG | someone just put me on to mtr |
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| 16:19.29 | crpyt_ex | dvs: there is not initrd file in /boot for the new kernel....thats why it was not added. |
| 16:19.39 | jetscreamer | it didn't hurt did it clay? |
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| 16:20.06 | dvs | crpyt_ex: Really? They've (finally) done away with initrd? |
| 16:20.09 | crpyt_ex | dvs: Shouldnt the linux-kernel file install this though? |
| 16:20.12 | ClayG | hehe nah, but it's like top, and even gave me the same feeling when i first found top |
| 16:20.16 | ClayG | wait |
| 16:20.16 | dvs | crpyt_ex: yes |
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| 16:20.21 | ClayG | that sounds kinda ghey |
| 16:20.33 | crpyt_ex | dvs: its the latest 2.6.15 |
| 16:20.36 | abrotman | !tell ClayG about gay |
| 16:20.40 | crpyt_ex | and its not present in /boot |
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| 16:22.38 | vekpos | anyone here who knows a programm to record a mp3-stream? |
| 16:22.39 | ClayG | I didnt say it in a bad way, a "top" is a gay term for someone who likes to stick meat pole in the other guys shit box |
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| 16:23.06 | dvs | crpyt_ex: Do you have module-init-tools installed? |
| 16:23.14 | ClayG | peace fag |
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| 16:23.37 | clozap | hi people, on my debian sid my eth0 has 169.254.211.112 for ip address, i don't understand why, as it should be 192.168.1.6 static |
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| 16:23.47 | abrotman | it can't find your dhcp server |
| 16:23.47 | miha | hello |
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| 16:24.32 | crpyt_ex | dvs: Yes |
| 16:24.34 | miha | how can i change my hostname and domainname ? so i wont be localhost.localdomain, but e-muha.org ? (i need it for smtp to work correctly) |
| 16:24.50 | dvs | crpyt_ex: initrd-tools? |
| 16:25.09 | pzn | clozap, how is /etc/network/interfaces? static? dhcp? |
| 16:25.58 | crpyt_ex | dvs: Yeah, but if they are the stable ones installed still I am unsure. Remember I am wanting to install this kernel for this stupid udev dependcy error |
| 16:26.24 | crpyt_ex | dvs: nothing is going to planned here is it? :P |
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| 16:26.33 | clozap | pzn: iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.6 [snip] |
| 16:26.48 | dvs | crpyt_ex: Wait a minute. If it's installed then udev should install now right? |
| 16:26.53 | crpyt_ex | dvs: udev requires a higher kernel, so I install that, then I cant reboot from it |
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| 16:27.03 | jkukka | re |
| 16:27.03 | pzn | clozap, does it have a line "netmask" also? |
| 16:27.07 | crpyt_ex | dvs: I need to boot off the higher kernel first. |
| 16:27.35 | crpyt_ex | dvs: udev needs a 2.6.12 or higher kernel. |
| 16:27.40 | clozap | pzn: netmask, gateway, ans dns-nameservers (i use resolvconf) |
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| 16:28.09 | u2mix | ?? |
| 16:28.35 | u2mix | hello everyone |
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| 16:29.15 | intero | hi |
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| 16:29.33 | u2mix | where r u from? |
| 16:29.46 | azeem | u2mix: it doesn't matter where we are from |
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| 16:29.49 | intero | is there a way to avoid ctrl-alt-backspace to restart x? |
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| 16:29.54 | azeem | u2mix: do you have a question about Debian? |
| 16:30.19 | u2mix | yes |
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| 16:30.39 | dvs | crpyt_ex: My udev doesn't depend on a kernel-image or linux-image |
| 16:30.42 | pzn | clozap, I'd try this: /etc/init.d/networking stop; ifconfig (to see if eth0 disapears); /etc/init.d/networking start; ifconfig (to see if eth0 appears again)... |
| 16:30.53 | pzn | clozap, but I really don't know why this occours. |
| 16:30.56 | u2mix | i can`t use chinese |
| 16:31.09 | eegore | I need a java2 runtime. is there a repos to satify that dep |
| 16:31.09 | dvs | ii udev 0.081-1 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 16:31.20 | abrotman | !tell eegore about install java |
| 16:31.32 | u2mix | input |
| 16:31.43 | eegore | install jajva |
| 16:31.49 | eegore | install java |
| 16:32.00 | eegore | dpkg is sleeping |
| 16:32.16 | Eulex | !test |
| 16:32.16 | dpkg | Yes, eulex, you're still online. |
| 16:32.24 | crpyt_ex | dvs: I cant install udev, it requires a higher kernel than 2.6.12. I am going to try installing the 686 varient, I have been using the k7 |
| 16:32.30 | azeem | !cn |
| 16:32.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
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| 16:32.38 | azeem | u2mix: try #debian-zh maybe |
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| 16:32.45 | u2mix | fcitx? |
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| 16:33.02 | azeem | u2mix: ? |
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| 16:33.21 | u2mix | debian -zh? |
| 16:33.42 | azeem | u2mix: it's a channel for chinese |
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| 16:33.50 | azeem | u2mix: type "/join #debian-zh" |
| 16:34.01 | Wyzard | crpyt_ex: Use the kernel which is best suited for your processor... using -686 instead of -k7 won't make any difference as far as dependencies of udev are concerned |
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| 16:34.23 | crpyt_ex | Wyzard: I cant boot the k7 kernel though |
| 16:34.33 | clozap | pzn: ok, i try this |
| 16:34.34 | u2mix | do u know "pingyin"? |
| 16:34.40 | Wyzard | crpyt_ex: What type of processor do you have? |
| 16:34.44 | crpyt_ex | Wyzard: I am stuck in the middle of a dist-upgrade to testing |
| 16:34.55 | crpyt_ex | Wyzard: AMD Athlon XP 2400 |
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| 16:35.14 | Wyzard | crpyt_ex: -k7 should work on that... what happens when you try to boot it? |
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| 16:35.35 | u2mix | wo xiang yong zhong wen shu lu fa |
| 16:35.47 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 16:35.59 | azeem | u2mix: please, you can talk chinese in #debian-zh |
| 16:35.59 | crpyt_ex | Wyzard: VFS cannot open root device 'hda1' or uknown block (0,0). Invalid root= option |
| 16:36.11 | azeem | u2mix: we only understand english |
| 16:36.14 | crpyt_ex | Wyzard: I am missing a initrd file in /boot for the new kernel too |
| 16:36.17 | u2mix | i can`t |
| 16:36.21 | azeem | u2mix: why? |
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| 16:36.28 | Wyzard | crpyt_ex: Ah... yeah, that's because you don't have an initrd for it |
| 16:36.29 | abrotman | this should be good |
| 16:36.44 | tarzeau | ringo999: nope, doesn't take much cpu at all |
| 16:36.52 | tarzeau | ringo999: even less then other mp3 players |
| 16:37.01 | crpyt_ex | Wyzard: ah...but I still cant boot the 2.6.15-1-k7 kernel? |
| 16:37.14 | u2mix | i can`t input chinese |
| 16:37.33 | azeem | u2mix: ok, they will be able to help you with that |
| 16:37.39 | azeem | u2mix: we don't know :-/ |
| 16:37.48 | Wyzard | crpyt_ex: The fact that it's the -k7 version is irrelevant... you can't boot the kernel without an initrd, and the -686 one would have the same problem |
| 16:37.49 | abrotman | we don't even have a clue :) |
| 16:38.05 | azeem | abrotman: I should get some, we have two chinese people in our group |
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| 16:38.12 | crpyt_ex | Wyzard: Any suggestions to get this ball rolling in the right direction? |
| 16:38.12 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:38.13 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:38.14 | abrotman | azeem: our group? oh .. at work? |
| 16:38.24 | azeem | one told me he has to copy&paste chinese from his notebook in order to input stuff on sarge |
| 16:38.32 | azeem | abrotman: yeah, research group at the uni |
| 16:38.41 | Wyzard | crpyt_ex: Remove the "initramfs-tools" package and install "yaird", and then reinstall the kernel package |
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| 16:38.49 | abrotman | azeem: hehe .. that's no fun |
| 16:38.54 | crpyt_ex | Wyzard: thanks, will try that. |
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| 16:39.17 | Wyzard | crpyt_ex: yaird is a different initramfs-generation tool which doesn't depend on the new udev, so your kernel installation will be able to successfully generate the initrd even though you haven't upgraded udev yet |
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| 16:39.36 | crpyt_ex | Wyzard: cool. |
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| 16:40.02 | tarzeau | my table is shaky |
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| 16:40.16 | tarzeau | when i type, the screen's wobbling crazily |
| 16:40.19 | abrotman | stop having sex on it |
| 16:40.21 | jeffrin | someone please see the following and help me |
| 16:40.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: dude, i'm just typing |
| 16:40.32 | jeffrin | http://pastebin.com/549911 |
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| 16:40.58 | crpyt_ex | Wyzard: Having problems even removing initramfs-tools though. |
| 16:41.11 | kspath | tarzeau: he did not mean sex in real time. He is refering to damage to the table that occured during intercourse. |
| 16:41.13 | u2mix | i want input chinese to webpage.what can i do? |
| 16:41.26 | abrotman | ask the people in #debian-zh how to do it |
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| 16:41.29 | dvs | crpyt_ex: Try install yaird first |
| 16:41.32 | tarzeau | kspath: i see, i've never had sex in a computer room so far |
| 16:41.32 | Wyzard | crpyt_ex: Install yaird first or at the same time... the kernel depends on having one or the other so apt won't let you have neither |
| 16:41.33 | crpyt_ex | Wyzard: having to do apt-get -f install, however its trying to install udev |
| 16:41.41 | kspath | tarzeau: chilling? |
| 16:41.47 | abrotman | !cn |
| 16:41.47 | dpkg | i guess cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 16:41.53 | crpyt_ex | Wyzard: how do I install and uninstall at the same time |
| 16:42.01 | dvs | crpyt_ex: Try install yaird first |
| 16:42.04 | crpyt_ex | && ? |
| 16:42.04 | Wyzard | crpyt_ex: apt-get install --purge yaird initramfs-tools- |
| 16:42.09 | crpyt_ex | dvs: ok |
| 16:42.15 | crpyt_ex | thanks both |
| 16:42.18 | Wyzard | crpyt_ex: The '-' at the end of a package name means to remove instead of install |
| 16:42.19 | tarzeau | kspath: it's much better in bed, cars, kitchen, sofa, staircase, grass, shower... |
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| 16:42.36 | u2mix | thanks a lot .i try |
| 16:43.02 | kspath | I find old strong former kitchen/dining room tables to be the best computer desks. They can hold 5-6 19inch monitors well with room for keyboards and paperwork. |
| 16:43.19 | crpyt_ex | Wyzard: ah, never knew that one! :) |
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| 16:44.01 | crpyt_ex | Wyzard: Brilliant! Thats done it. Its nows created the initrd file. Thanks |
| 16:44.08 | crpyt_ex | !beer Wyzard |
| 16:44.31 | crpyt_ex | Going to reboot and test this beast. |
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| 16:45.06 | haop | does it matter if my route is 192.168.1.0/24 or 192.168.1.1/24 as the destination? |
| 16:45.46 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:45.50 | Wyzard | kspath: http://www.lifetime.com/TablesAndChairs/Tables.aspx -- I'm using one of their "adjustable-height folding tables", and it works pretty well |
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| 16:46.49 | kspath | Wyzard: my choice is free or nearly free |
| 16:46.59 | abrotman | my choice is light enough for my lap :) |
| 16:47.23 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 16:47.54 | u2mix | thanks a lot. i check out |
| 16:48.00 | kspath | my choice does not suffer from spilt coffee or dog/cat knocking it over |
| 16:48.15 | abrotman | dog/cat? coffee? |
| 16:48.51 | Daveman | haha |
| 16:49.08 | Daveman | cat /dev/coffee | dog | cat | abrotman :P |
| 16:49.18 | kspath | refering to laptops |
| 16:49.21 | abrotman | i don't drink coffee .. and i have no pets |
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| 16:49.53 | Daveman | good |
| 16:49.55 | Daveman | :) |
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| 16:50.44 | kspath | tea? soda? water? rats? |
| 16:50.46 | whitehorse1 | howdy. |
| 16:50.57 | abrotman | no pets .. no tea |
| 16:51.05 | dvs | not a single luxury? |
| 16:51.07 | abrotman | beer/soda/water/milk(whole)/juice |
| 16:51.10 | Wyzard | chai! |
| 16:51.18 | zulu42 | hey, I use dual screen (no big desktop anymore) but dual driver with screen 0.0 and 0.1 the only difference for me is that I cannot move window left to rigth etc.. but OpenGL work better... Is there a way to move windows from one screen to another, is there a way to defocus (in openGL fullsceen mode) one screen to another? |
| 16:51.33 | abrotman | X can only do one screen |
| 16:51.34 | abrotman | err GL |
| 16:51.40 | abrotman | err DRI .. someone shoot me |
| 16:51.46 | zulu42 | :) |
| 16:51.48 | tzafrir_laptop | Daveman, so you actually use dog(1)? |
| 16:51.58 | valdyn | zulu42: using 2 screens you sure cant use windows, you need to use xinerama |
| 16:52.06 | valdyn | s/use/move/ |
| 16:52.08 | zulu42 | well yes you are right but now I can use openGL on one screen or the other :) |
| 16:52.29 | abrotman | well .. at least that's my experience .. maybe using xinerama doesn't it magically somehow |
| 16:52.36 | Wyzard | zulu42: Xinerama mode will let you drag windows between screens, but that might impose restrictions on GL usage... nVidia's driver can render 3D across both screens, though, and maybe ATI's too |
| 16:52.42 | zulu42 | valdyn, you mean go back to big desktop but this is to buggy for me |
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| 16:53.18 | zulu42 | interesting Wyzard , so I need to read xinerama docs.. |
| 16:53.30 | Daveman | tzafrir_laptop, nope, not often - when I do, it's only for corny jokes, similarly to my lame-ass aforementioned one :) |
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| 16:53.36 | kspath | zulu42: most OpenGL stuffs will only show on the one screen even with xinerama. The exception is things like xscreensaver might have separate VERY slow instances per screen... |
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| 16:53.49 | valdyn | zulu42: i've used nvidia gl over 2 screens with xinerama |
| 16:54.08 | valdyn | zulu42: just annoying that some games would span across both screens where it absolutely didnt make sense |
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| 16:54.15 | Wyzard | zulu42: In the nVidia case, I think it only works if it's a dual-head video card, not two separate single-head ones, but I'm not sure of that |
| 16:54.23 | kspath | zulu42: I only have 3 monitors on one debian box now. I wanted 4-6 screens but money is getting in the way. |
| 16:54.24 | zulu42 | the pb is that openGL in dual screen (I use fglrx) is spread on the 2 screen with 2 vertical black strip :( |
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| 16:54.29 | haop | does it matter if my route is 192.168.1.0/24 or 192.168.1.1/24 ? (the destination route) |
| 16:54.57 | kspath | zulu42: I am running with 3 separate nvidia cards and xinerama |
| 16:55.06 | zulu42 | 3 monitors? lol how many eyes? |
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| 16:55.23 | dvs | zulu42: must be a trader |
| 16:55.25 | Silensius | hi ay_soyyer welcom to debian world |
| 16:55.30 | zulu42 | lol dvs |
| 16:55.34 | kspath | zulu42: ion3 makes this setup even more powerful because it allows tabs so each of the 3 can be organized in so many ways. |
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| 16:55.50 | stew | haop: those are the same but the first is preferred |
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| 16:55.57 | zulu42 | ion3? |
| 16:56.05 | kspath | zulu42: 3 is not a lot. ion3 window manager |
| 16:56.20 | wireddd | I have six screens |
| 16:56.24 | dvs | o_O |
| 16:56.26 | zulu42 | I use sawfish and saw the --multihead option but have no id of it's impact |
| 16:56.31 | kspath | zulu42: see wireddd has 6 |
| 16:56.40 | wireddd | though I don't use gl |
| 16:56.42 | zulu42 | wireddd? |
| 16:56.45 | clozap | pzn: after stopping networking, eth0 disappears from active interfaces |
| 16:56.50 | zulu42 | ahh ok |
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| 16:57.17 | pzn | clozap, when you start it again, does it come with the right IP address? |
| 16:57.23 | clozap | pzn: no |
| 16:57.25 | kspath | zulu42: ion3, openbox3, and fluxbox all work well with 3+ monitors |
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| 16:57.46 | haop | stew ok can a netmask represent a non-contingious ip block? for example 255.255.255.0 is x.x.x.1-254 |
| 16:57.49 | wireddd | kde does fine also |
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| 16:58.04 | haop | strew are there netmask in which the possible ip addresses it represents arent contingious? |
| 16:58.09 | zulu42 | no icon menu bar etc?? cause I like sawfish for it's errr (don't know the english word but you know what I mean) |
| 16:58.10 | pzn | clozap, can you post your /etc/network/interfaces to http://pastebin.com ? |
| 16:58.28 | kspath | wireddd: I prefer not to spend my resources on a desktop interface WIMP like KDE or GNOME |
| 16:59.00 | zulu42 | ion3 homepage? |
| 16:59.00 | pipeline | kspath: fluxbox is awful on any number of monitors. :| |
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| 16:59.18 | wireddd | kspath, yes but it does work fine |
| 16:59.24 | kspath | pipeline: fluxbox is my last choice among ion3 openbox3 |
| 16:59.36 | tarzeau | amiwm anyone? |
| 16:59.40 | pipeline | stumpwm! |
| 16:59.50 | kspath | how is stump? |
| 17:00.10 | clozap | pzn: http://pastebin.com/549926 |
| 17:00.17 | dsl1298 | hi all, i installed damn small linux. i want to install freeNX. any suggestions? |
| 17:00.30 | kspath | !dsl |
| 17:00.30 | dpkg | from memory, dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 17:00.45 | dvs | clozap: Why do you have the nameservers in there? |
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| 17:01.20 | adaran | anyone else have problems with broken fonts in sid? |
| 17:01.25 | ke6isf | dsl1298: We don't support Damn Small Linux. |
| 17:01.28 | adaran | http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/8/brokenfonts39ip.png |
| 17:01.34 | ay-soyyer | merhaba |
| 17:01.36 | Silensius | Silensius hi ay_soyyer welcom to debian world |
| 17:01.39 | dsl1298 | how can I check which version/type of debin I'm using? |
| 17:01.42 | dsl1298 | ok |
| 17:01.47 | adaran | if anyone has any idea about that, i'd be happy to hear it |
| 17:01.49 | ay-soyyer | evet gördüm |
| 17:01.54 | ke6isf | dsl1298: Damn Small isn't Debian. Sorry. |
| 17:01.59 | dvs | dsl1298: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:02.01 | clozap | pzn: cause i use resolvconf which handles ns dynamically (useful when i connect to my school's VPN) |
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| 17:02.39 | ay-soyyer | siz neredesiniz |
| 17:02.45 | Silensius | burada |
| 17:02.57 | pzn | clozap, there is no typo in your file. I don't know what is wrong. sorry... |
| 17:02.58 | ay-soyyer | tamam özele nasıl geçeriz |
| 17:02.59 | tarzeau | adaran: looks interesting, is that dillo? |
| 17:03.00 | kspath | Please use English language. |
| 17:03.07 | ke6isf | ay-soyyer: In English, please. |
| 17:03.07 | tarzeau | ay-soyyer: #debian.tr |
| 17:03.09 | dsl1298 | ke6isf, is there a way to install debian with very minimal install? i have p3 950mhz 128mb ram |
| 17:03.20 | adaran | tarzeau, firefox. however, take a loot at: http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/4395/brokenfonts25xt.png |
| 17:03.21 | tarzeau | dsl1298: yes just don't select the desktop thing in tasksel |
| 17:03.28 | ke6isf | !tell dsl1298 -about netinst |
| 17:03.38 | adaran | tarzeau, i've had this problem for quite some time, at least two months |
| 17:03.46 | ay-soyyer | excuse me |
| 17:03.46 | tarzeau | adaran: annoying |
| 17:03.48 | adaran | tarzeau, not in firefox though, only in GTK apps, and i run kde |
| 17:03.52 | stew | dsl1298: that is way more than minimal hardware |
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| 17:03.53 | m4lu6 | hrrm |
| 17:04.00 | tarzeau | adaran: sid? |
| 17:04.05 | adaran | tarzeau, so usually, i have to select text to read it, kde apps work fine though - i blamed gtk-qt |
| 17:04.07 | adaran | tarzeau, yep |
| 17:04.13 | ay-soyyer | si where are you? |
| 17:04.16 | ke6isf | dsl1298: My wife is running a Debian box on 333 MHz and 128 MB RAM. She's using Fluxbox for her desktop and occasionally switches to Gnome. So it can be cdone without shortchanging yourself. |
| 17:04.22 | tarzeau | ay-soyyer: in switzerland |
| 17:04.25 | ke6isf | dsl1298: That said, get more RAM. |
| 17:04.27 | dsl1298 | tarzeau, then can I install fluxbox or something? |
| 17:04.38 | adaran | tarzeau, however, if i select another gtk theme, that's not qt based and a different font, same problem |
| 17:04.40 | tarzeau | dsl1298: for example, yes |
| 17:04.43 | dsl1298 | ke6isf, its not an option |
| 17:04.52 | tarzeau | adaran: i really have no idea. i never liked gtk much |
| 17:04.55 | ke6isf | dsl1298: Money? |
| 17:04.59 | tarzeau | adaran: and started to hate it with gtk2 |
| 17:05.02 | m4lu6 | i've got an ext3 image mounted, trying to chroot a new kernel. chroot . dpkg -i [kernel].deb ... runs, but fails at yaird: "yaird error: can't open /proc/bus/input/devices (fatal)" .. .wondering if anyone has a suggestion on how i might get this kernel installed ... |
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| 17:05.18 | adaran | tarzeau, well, i do like firefox, however |
| 17:05.20 | dsl1298 | ke6isf, it's an old system, don't want to spend on that |
| 17:05.21 | _newbie_ | hello |
| 17:05.31 | ke6isf | dsl1298: Mm. |
| 17:05.31 | tarzeau | adaran: i don't like firefox |
| 17:05.33 | adaran | tarzeau, and i'm not sure firefox uses anything from gtk for rendering text inside the browser window |
| 17:05.35 | valdyn | m4lu6: mount /proc |
| 17:05.40 | adaran | tarzeau, okay, the gecko engine |
| 17:05.46 | stew | m4lu6: mount --bind /proc /chroot/proc ; mount --bind /dev /chroot/dev |
| 17:05.52 | dsl1298 | ke6isf, what is netinstall? how can i use it? |
| 17:05.55 | tarzeau | adaran: the gecko engine don't work on debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 17:05.55 | clozap | pzn: before restarting networking, i set eth0's ip to 192.168.1.6 manually, with ifconfig, it worked, i could reach my LAN... thanks anyway |
| 17:06.02 | ke6isf | dsl1298: I just had the bot tell you about netinstall. |
| 17:06.02 | pzn | dsl1298, I have debian installed on P133 64MBRam with a compact-flash harddisk of 128MB. however I did some hacking :-) It works as a small mail server |
| 17:06.05 | ke6isf | !netinst |
| 17:06.05 | dpkg | i heard netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For sarge, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ For boot floppies see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ For etch see http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/beta1/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso for x86, or see dialup install. Also see d-i. |
| 17:06.05 | dvs | dsl1298: Download that CD |
| 17:06.17 | adaran | tarzeau, allright =/ |
| 17:06.24 | m4lu6 | stew, valdyn thanks |
| 17:06.44 | dsl1298 | dvs, ok thanks |
| 17:06.57 | dvs | dsl1298: Thank ke6isf |
| 17:07.08 | pzn | clozap, ok! |
| 17:07.12 | dsl1298 | ke6isf, thanks |
| 17:07.19 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 17:07.19 | ke6isf | dsl1298: Gladly |
| 17:07.19 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
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| 17:07.30 | m4lu6 | stew, what does that command actually do? take /proc from my host machine and mount it to my chroot'ed image? |
| 17:07.33 | ke6isf | !coffee ke6isf |
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| 17:08.15 | ay-soyyer | in englis we will writte |
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| 17:08.24 | adaran | anyone else have any idea how to fix this?: http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/8/brokenfonts39ip.png , http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/4395/brokenfonts25xt.png |
| 17:08.46 | m4lu6 | mount man page tells me "yes" to my question. thanks. .. groovy. |
| 17:08.53 | ay-soyyer | Silensius where are you? |
| 17:08.58 | Silensius | here |
| 17:09.08 | ay-soyyer | thanks. |
| 17:09.32 | ay-soyyer | I have learned this system. |
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| 17:10.11 | ay-soyyer | ıt's beatiful but strong. |
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| 17:10.21 | Silensius | it's very easy but here we speak just debian issue not for personel use |
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| 17:11.13 | tarzeau | adaran: use bts? |
| 17:11.31 | tarzeau | ay-soyyer: but? you mean and |
| 17:11.35 | Datrio | hey guys, I'm trying to build the deb of the Java JRE using make-jpkg, but bash doesn't recognize the command, any tips? |
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| 17:11.45 | tarzeau | Datrio: apt-get install it? |
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| 17:12.01 | dvs | Daedalus_: apt-get install java-package |
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| 17:12.15 | Datrio | apt-get can't find it |
| 17:12.33 | dvs | !info java-package sarge |
| 17:12.41 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
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| 17:13.06 | dvs | Datrio: You don't have "contrib" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 17:13.13 | Datrio | well actually |
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| 17:13.18 | Datrio | I just added that a few minutes ago |
| 17:13.20 | Datrio | updated aptitude |
| 17:13.23 | Datrio | and still no results |
| 17:13.28 | dvs | Datrio: aptitude update |
| 17:13.51 | adaran | tarzeau, bts? |
| 17:14.11 | Datrio | done that, still no java-package |
| 17:14.11 | adaran | tarzeau, oh, file a bug you mean? |
| 17:14.17 | tarzeau | adaran: yeah |
| 17:14.23 | tarzeau | adaran: include links to the screenshots |
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| 17:16.23 | ke6isf | Datrio: Join #flood and paste your sources.list please. |
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| 17:17.13 | adaran | tarzeau, i need debbug for tha? |
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| 17:17.30 | Datrio | done |
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| 17:17.52 | ke6isf | dataw0lf: I see the problem: you only put the "contrib" on the security line. |
| 17:17.56 | tarzeau | adaran: any mailer will do |
| 17:18.06 | ke6isf | Datrio: First, remove the commented lines. You don't need those. |
| 17:18.13 | tarzeau | adaran: reportbug works too |
| 17:18.15 | Datrio | ah |
| 17:18.19 | Datrio | I think I get it |
| 17:18.22 | ke6isf | Datrio: Second, make sure that both contrib *and* non-free are present for all remaining lines. |
| 17:18.50 | ke6isf | Datrio: Third, since you're running a deb-src line, put a corresponding line in for security. |
| 17:19.03 | exalted | Hi. I was playing around with themes/icons, and now i found my self in a situation that some of the basic system icons are not existent anymore, like logoff, or lock screen icons and icons near to the applications menu items etc. Somebody can tell me which package i have to install/reinstall to get those icons back, or if they exist how to set them properly again please? Thank you. |
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| 17:19.31 | yos87 | hi |
| 17:19.57 | Datrio | ke6isf: look at #flood, is that alright? |
| 17:20.43 | ke6isf | Datrio: Stick 'non-free' at the end of the security line, and you're set. apt-get update after you're finished, and don't forget to apt-get upgrade just for grins. |
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| 17:21.38 | ke6isf | Datrio: Also, that deb-src line for security should read 'stable/updates'. |
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| 17:22.30 | pzn | I'm trying "apt-get update" in a woody server. It gives the error "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format" if source is http. it source if ftp then it works OK. If I upgrade apt and dpkg will it solve the problem? |
| 17:22.37 | Datrio | ah, that's better |
| 17:22.57 | m4lu6 | hmm. stew: So yaird's going to try and make an initrd based off my host system; it'll jack whatever modules it deems necessary to boot host box, rather than the target box. |
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| 17:23.53 | Datrio | ok, that works, thanks ke6isf |
| 17:24.03 | ke6isf | Datrio: Gladly |
| 17:24.10 | ke6isf | pzn: Why are you still running Woody? |
| 17:24.15 | m4lu6 | would mkinitrd.conf ... hmm. |
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| 17:24.54 | lindi- | pzn: first google hit for "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format" seems to discuss this when a proxy is used |
| 17:25.01 | jhujhiti | Does anyone know much about DNS? I'm trying to delegate a zone, and I can't figure out what I've missed: http://pastebin.com/549950 . On a secondary server to adjectivism.org, I get NXDOMAIN when I ask it about vpn.adjectivism.org |
| 17:25.01 | pzn | ke6isf, well... I upgraded important machines only. this weekend I'll upgrade other machines. that is why I'm running "apt-get update" :-) |
| 17:25.03 | tchize | just to be sure, i have 3 raid arrays on top of sata drive. In one of those arrays i have a lvm, can linux installer manage those things ? |
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| 17:25.25 | tchize | s/linux installer/debian installer |
| 17:26.13 | eegore | that is cooking |
| 17:26.32 | pzn | lindi-, thanks! |
| 17:26.58 | abrotman | jhujhiti: maybe ask #dns or #bind |
| 17:27.16 | ringo999 | if i go to "places->connectoserver->"public ftp" i get the message: no default action associated with the location (even though the ftp is up and running and i can access it via FTP). any idea? is there something like gnome ftp? |
| 17:27.23 | jhujhiti | abrotman: aye, figured i'd try here first because of the sheer number of users =p thanks |
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| 17:28.57 | Estes | I got someone connected to my server throught ssh/sftp and i'd like to see what he's doing... i know .bash_history will only be written down after logout so, how can i see what the person's doing _now_ ? |
| 17:29.09 | foomonkey | hello. I am wanting to try out enlightenment as my window manager. I've got it installed but I don't know how to get gdm to make it an option. Help? |
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| 17:29.39 | eegore | j #amule |
| 17:29.46 | jhujhiti | Estes: perhaps screen. it will let you attach a virtual terminal session in multiple places at once |
| 17:29.56 | Estes | hum |
| 17:30.04 | Estes | jhujhiti, ok, thanks, will look at it |
| 17:30.12 | oskie | shouldn't bmp (beep) and other media players be nice'd? doesn't work too well with PREEMPT 2.6.15.4 on AMD64 3000+ |
| 17:30.14 | abrotman | !info ttysnoop sarge |
| 17:30.18 | jhujhiti | Estes: it's a quite useful app, actually. |
| 17:30.20 | dpkg | ttysnoop: (TTY Snoop - allows you to spy on telnet+serial connections), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.12d-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 17:30.41 | oskie | or perhaps the problem is that I changed from OSS to ALSA? |
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| 17:30.48 | pzn | lindi-, I could understand the problem reading the following link. thanks. http://safesquid.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=235&sid=494a2df12b48a1e8fdca8ae0e7bfb752 |
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| 17:31.28 | Roadrunne | Hi all, how can I exlude 2 users to be logged into auth.log? |
| 17:31.30 | m4lu6 | garhgh. now yaird's failing on dev/hda1 |
| 17:31.55 | Estes | abrotman, thank you :) |
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| 17:32.39 | ringo999 | abrotman: nautilus cant open ftp folders? |
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| 17:32.57 | abrotman | yes it can |
| 17:33.32 | Estes | also, how come i don't see the connection when i type 'w' ? |
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| 17:35.52 | ringo999 | abrotman: Nautilus cannot display "ftp://10.150.16.160". <- please select another viewer .. :( |
| 17:36.15 | abrotman | hrm |
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| 17:36.20 | tzafrir_laptop | Roadrunne, maybe through the relevant pam cofig? |
| 17:37.02 | tzafrir_laptop | through pam_userlist and utilizing the ability to jump |
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| 17:37.33 | oskie | i'm using alsa sound modules, but i cannot play any music with ALSA from bmp.. only OSS! |
| 17:37.35 | tzafrir_laptop | sorry, pam_listfile |
| 17:37.51 | dvs | bmp? |
| 17:37.53 | Estes | How come i don't see an sftp or scp connection when i type w ? |
| 17:37.56 | oskie | dvs: beep-media-palyer |
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| 17:38.03 | tzafrir_laptop | I guess noone here tried TUTOS :-( |
| 17:38.06 | jhujhiti | Estes: it's not running a login shell |
| 17:38.29 | jhujhiti | Estes: ie. for the same reason you don't see "bash" sessions running in your xterms. you *would* see bash --login's though |
| 17:38.35 | cahoot_ | oskie: oss as in alsas oss emulation? |
| 17:39.00 | pzn | apt-get install apache gives error: "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10" is there any way to enable a verbose postinst? |
| 17:39.23 | Roadrunne | tzafrir_laptop: thx, i'll take a look on this |
| 17:39.23 | tzafrir_laptop | pzn, of which package? |
| 17:39.34 | fooze`sYs | I'm using oidentd on Debian Etch (2.6.11.12-grsec) but since last update, my oidentd doesn't start: it writes: "Error initializing core" , any ideas? |
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| 17:39.40 | oskie | cahoot_: I guess! |
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| 17:39.56 | pzn | tzafrir_laptop, apache. upgrading from an old debian to sarge. |
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| 17:40.11 | Estes | jhujhiti, any way i can see the actions performed by the sftp client ? |
| 17:40.17 | cahoot_ | oskie: so other apps like aplay runs ok? |
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| 17:40.24 | broomy | vhen i do a ctrl+alt+backspace to kill X it just reboots! how do i kill X in a nother way? |
| 17:40.34 | tzafrir_laptop | pzn, apt-get install apachec does not run this one alone? |
| 17:40.43 | ke6isf | broomy: Just log out? |
| 17:40.58 | broomy | then i come into the graphical login |
| 17:41.02 | jhujhiti | Estes: not sure, sorry |
| 17:41.05 | dvs | display manager |
| 17:41.08 | tzafrir_laptop | pzn, the postinst is /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>.postinst |
| 17:41.33 | pzn | tzafrir_laptop, ok. should I check postinst by myself or there is an option "verbose" for apt-get? |
| 17:41.36 | Estes | broomy, reboots ? you mean the computer or X ? you can use Ctrl + Alt + F1 and then stop X from there... |
| 17:41.49 | dvs | broomy: at a command prompt as root: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 17:41.53 | Estes | jhujhiti, ok... thanks :) |
| 17:42.22 | tzafrir_laptop | pzn, not sure. try adding "set -x" at the beginning somewhere (yuck) |
| 17:42.37 | oskie | why does X.org 6.9.0 use 100% cpu when you display the playlist window in beep-media-player? |
| 17:42.45 | oskie | cahoot_: haven't tried... |
| 17:43.19 | cahoot_ | oskie: well aplay is a simple way to test alsa per se |
| 17:43.20 | broomy | /etc/init.d/?dm stop, the ?, whats that? |
| 17:43.27 | abrotman | ringo999: i don't think there's an ftp server running |
| 17:43.41 | dvs | broomy: I'm not sure if you have gdm, xdm, kdm or whatever |
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| 17:43.43 | abrotman | broomy: any single character |
| 17:44.09 | tzafrir_laptop | typically both xdm and gdm will be installed |
| 17:44.17 | tzafrir_laptop | And maybe kdm as well |
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| 17:45.22 | E-bola | Have anbody installed loop-aes under debian? |
| 17:45.34 | E-bola | wondering if there is a way that doesnt involve kernel patches and sources etc |
| 17:45.36 | broomy | any single caracter, so i can put anything i want instead of "?" |
| 17:45.52 | dvs | broomy: No, use ? |
| 17:45.58 | broomy | oh ok |
| 17:46.26 | drasko | hi all. I have G-Force 2 and I just installed Debian, but colors are horrible, bit depth is set to 4, default driver is vga, and if I rise bitdepth, X won't work. What to do? |
| 17:46.41 | dvs | drasko: use vesa at least |
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| 17:47.17 | abrotman | drasko: what driver did you pick ? |
| 17:47.20 | Shadowcat | he shouldn't have to use vesa with a geforce2 |
| 17:47.47 | dvs | Shadowcat: But it's guarenteed to work. nv is better but will it work? |
| 17:47.47 | abrotman | !nv |
| 17:47.47 | dpkg | well, nv is the X4's free video-driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or gForce), the cursed (non-free) one is nvidia, or nv does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX, or however nvidia's drivers do that |
| 17:47.49 | drasko | abrotman, vga |
| 17:47.58 | drasko | Should i use vesa? |
| 17:48.03 | Shadowcat | no, you should choose nv |
| 17:48.05 | dvs | drasko: yes |
| 17:48.14 | Shadowcat | dvs: quiet |
| 17:48.23 | Shadowcat | drasko: you should use the nv driver |
| 17:48.23 | dvs | Shadowcat: no |
| 17:48.30 | zinx | oh dear |
| 17:48.50 | abrotman | !start a nonfree crap shitty company war |
| 17:49.02 | Shadowcat | heh |
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| 17:49.13 | drasko | Shadowcat, yes, nv... Now I remebered... I used to set up this before, and I think you are right... I'll try it now... |
| 17:49.14 | Mortis_kruul | Hi! http://metalcave.ovh.org :) |
| 17:49.17 | drasko | THANKS! |
| 17:49.25 | abrotman | Mortis_kruul: STOP SPAMMING |
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| 17:50.10 | Shadowcat | how about everyone in here just spams him |
| 17:50.12 | Shadowcat | one msg each |
| 17:50.29 | dvs | Shadowcat: Becasue he's gone? |
| 17:50.41 | Shadowcat | dvs: he's still on IRC |
| 17:50.50 | dvs | muhahahahah |
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| 17:51.04 | abrotman | so report him to staff or some crap |
| 17:51.11 | Shadowcat | abrotman: that's your job |
| 17:51.12 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 17:51.19 | abrotman | i'm not staff or op |
| 17:51.23 | dvs | abrotman: Messaging is so much meaner! |
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| 17:53.05 | ke6isf | Shadda: Sounds like fun to me. |
| 17:53.07 | broomy | hmm my Nvidia setup tells me that i dont have the kernel source so it cant compile my drivers or something, vere do i get the kernel source? |
| 17:53.10 | ke6isf | oops.... |
| 17:53.14 | broomy | using apt-get or what? |
| 17:53.17 | ke6isf | Shadowcat: Sounds like fun to me. =^_^= |
| 17:53.38 | ke6isf | abrotman: Has he come in here before and done that? |
| 17:53.44 | abrotman | ke6isf: not that i'm aware |
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| 17:54.17 | E-bola | Do anybody know how to increase trhe number of availeble devices in loop-aes to more than the default 8? |
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| 17:54.54 | Usiu | Hi, how to check what wireless pcmcia card I have ?? |
| 17:54.57 | pzn | in apache postinst (upgrading from old version to sarge) I get exit code 10. error line is "ucf --debconf-ok /etc/apache/httpd.conf.dpkg-inst.queue /etc/apache/httpd.conf". any hint about what to do now? |
| 17:55.05 | abrotman | hwinfo ? |
| 17:56.02 | ke6isf | Still, I like Shadowcat's idea - everyone here sends him one privmsg calling him a spammer. Fastest way to get that kind of message across. |
| 17:56.30 | dvs | ke6isf: I already have |
| 17:56.39 | pzn | about my previous post: "apt-get install ucf" solved the issue. |
| 17:56.49 | ke6isf | dvs: Yeah, but if we can get all 820 of us to do that.... |
| 17:56.54 | Usiu | abrotman, it doesnt diplay a model |
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| 17:56.59 | Usiu | abrotman, only a garbage.. |
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| 17:57.04 | Shadowcat | ke6isf: they did that to a big spammer a few years ag |
| 17:57.06 | Shadowcat | ago |
| 17:57.12 | Shadowcat | they signed him up for real spam |
| 17:57.18 | Shadowcat | and he was flooded with adverts |
| 17:57.21 | humboldt | where do I find information on who logged in when from where? |
| 17:57.29 | ke6isf | Shadda: You're talking about that dude in Michigan, who bought the house? |
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| 17:57.35 | E-bola | humboldt: lastlog |
| 17:57.35 | Shadowcat | I think so |
| 17:57.41 | starscalling | how would one designate the same network card a second static ip address? |
| 17:57.43 | ke6isf | Shadowcat: I remember that. |
| 17:57.48 | abrotman | Usiu: there are pcmcia tools .. |
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| 17:57.55 | dvs | starscalling: eth0:0 |
| 17:58.02 | abrotman | pcmciautils ? |
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| 17:58.07 | Shadowcat | ke6isf: it was so funny, I call it poetic justice to this day |
| 17:58.14 | ke6isf | Shadowcat: As I understand it, that particular spammer had his computers confiscated. |
| 17:58.16 | starscalling | eth0:0 eth0:1 etc dvs ? |
| 17:58.30 | dvs | starscalling: eth0 and eth0:0 |
| 17:58.32 | Shadowcat | I mean think of having a truck of advertisment magazines delivered to your door everyday for a few months |
| 17:58.37 | starscalling | ah |
| 17:58.43 | starscalling | thankyou dvs |
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| 17:58.56 | dvs | starscalling: you're welcome |
| 17:58.58 | abrotman | Usiu: do you have pcmciautils installed? |
| 17:59.00 | budreefer | hello all you cooooool peeps ;) |
| 17:59.00 | starscalling | :) |
| 17:59.05 | Usiu | abrotman, yes |
| 17:59.13 | Usiu | abrotman, but it displays only what driver bound to |
| 17:59.18 | ke6isf | Shadowcat: You know what, I know somebody else who needs taht treatment right about now. You ever heard of optinrealbig.com? |
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| 17:59.20 | Usiu | abrotman, not what real model |
| 17:59.22 | starscalling | also i had [remotely] a hard time getting ifupdown to reset without restarting system |
| 17:59.36 | roxy_ | hi, I have a basic working system. I would like to start using dpkg. Is there a way to start using it on a already made system? |
| 17:59.39 | Shadowcat | ke6isf: no |
| 17:59.49 | starscalling | communicating to it via ssh .. is there a command so i dont just turn net iface off and be dead? |
| 17:59.56 | Usiu | abrotman, when I type iwconfig I get http://rafb.net/paste/results/tWRybi99.html |
| 18:00.00 | starscalling | or does it need a restart if from remote? |
| 18:00.01 | Shadowcat | bah another hard ass marketing company |
| 18:00.03 | Shadowcat | I hate those |
| 18:00.03 | Usiu | abrotman, looks like sth wrong with driver ?? |
| 18:00.10 | ke6isf | Shadowcat: Don't know much about it, but currently I'm getting spam from "zerocoolgamers" on my gmail account. A quick bit fo research tied them down to this company, optinrealbig. |
| 18:00.10 | abrotman | !find bin/cardmgr sarge |
| 18:00.16 | E-bola | What generates the entries in lastlog? |
| 18:00.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/cardmgr' (1): (/sbin/cardmgr) in base/pcmcia-cs. |
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| 18:00.35 | Shadowcat | ke6isf: heh if a spammer pisses me off enough I go and pick apart their botnet |
| 18:00.35 | yos87 | hi |
| 18:00.36 | abrotman | Usiu: ^^ |
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| 18:00.43 | budreefer | loll shadowcat ;) |
| 18:00.45 | yos87 | why debian search is disabled |
| 18:00.51 | Shadowcat | ke6isf: they use irc to control their drones, so I can use the same technology to dismantle it |
| 18:00.52 | abrotman | yos87: read farther down the page |
| 18:01.05 | ke6isf | Shadowcat: Well yeah, that's just the IRC bots. I'm thinking of email spam. |
| 18:01.05 | ChrisW | hey all... I'm just building a brand-new P4-based machine... I want ot put debian on it, how do I do that? |
| 18:01.15 | Shadowcat | ke6isf: they use those bots to spam |
| 18:01.28 | budreefer | ChrisW: just get the images from the website burn to cd and boot with them |
| 18:01.31 | Shadowcat | so by dismantling a botnet I severely disrupt their ability to do anything |
| 18:01.36 | yos87 | abrotman: they just say we are working on it |
| 18:01.43 | abrotman | yos87: FARTHER |
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| 18:01.45 | Usiu | abrotman, Can you help ?? |
| 18:01.49 | ChrisW | budreefer: where do I get them from? do I need ot worry about what boot loader to use? |
| 18:02.00 | abrotman | Usiu: install pcmcia-cs .. i don't muck with wireless much .. mine just works |
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| 18:02.23 | Usiu | abrotman, I have kernel 2.6.15 wich dont need pcmcia-cs ! |
| 18:02.25 | budreefer | ChrisW: if you only have one flavour of linux on your system (and no windows) it really shouldn't matter the boot loader. i believe u can download the debian isos from debian.org |
| 18:02.37 | yos87 | ! hi |
| 18:02.37 | dpkg | hello, yos87 |
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| 18:02.44 | abrotman | Usiu: ok .. then i have no idea .. i used to use cardmgr to see what was in the slot |
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| 18:02.58 | humboldt | E-bola: lastlog does only show the last login. how to see all logins since day x? |
| 18:03.00 | ChrisW | okay, when should you worry about what boot loader you use and what one should I choose? |
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| 18:03.13 | ChrisW | do the iso's include a boot loader? |
| 18:03.23 | E-bola | What generates the entries in lastlog? |
| 18:03.26 | budreefer | ChrisW: i'm not experienced enough to know which is better to use for what reasons |
| 18:03.42 | Usiu | abrotman, I have kernel 2.6.15 wich dont need pcmcia-cs ! |
| 18:03.42 | budreefer | ChrisW: but i believe you get lilo and grub included in the debian cds |
| 18:03.46 | Usiu | abrotman, ? |
| 18:03.49 | blondie | hmm, debian wont boot properly - the last line it outputs is "usb 1-1: control timeout on ep0in" - ehwhat?! |
| 18:03.54 | EleckttrusS | http://www.limewire.org/gnu.shtml Now limware ia free? |
| 18:03.55 | bbrazil | humboldt: last |
| 18:04.20 | abrotman | Usiu: that's fine .. I DON"T USE PCMCIA .. i told you how i USED to do it .. i'm not even sure what your issue is .. you haven't explained it very well |
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| 18:04.51 | rutski89 | how do i get a list of information about a given user, such as group/home dir/user comment etc... etc...? |
| 18:05.10 | Usiu | abrotman, iwlist eth2 scanning |
| 18:05.10 | Usiu | eth2 Interface doesn't support scanning |
| 18:05.19 | abrotman | is eth2 your wifi card? |
| 18:05.23 | Usiu | yes |
| 18:05.26 | budreefer | say, anyone know the diff between .html and .shtml file? |
| 18:05.32 | abrotman | does it support scanning? not all do? |
| 18:05.38 | abrotman | budreefer: scripts |
| 18:05.43 | ke6isf | !shtml |
| 18:05.43 | dpkg | it has been said that shtml is server-parsed html |
| 18:05.44 | budreefer | kewl |
| 18:05.48 | Usiu | abrotman, no idea.. it doesnt work |
| 18:06.06 | abrotman | do you need to scan? |
| 18:06.13 | Usiu | abrotman, http://rafb.net/paste/results/tWRybi99.html |
| 18:06.36 | blondie | rutski89: finger user maybe |
| 18:06.51 | abrotman | Usiu: that means nothing to me |
| 18:06.54 | blondie | or grep user /etc/passwd |
| 18:07.01 | Daveman | :P |
| 18:07.07 | abrotman | Usiu: does your card see the AP? |
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| 18:07.17 | Usiu | abrotman, how to check it? |
| 18:07.17 | rutski89 | blondie: yup, but it left out the most important thing, the group O.o |
| 18:07.22 | Usiu | abrotman, my AP doesnt see its mac |
| 18:07.24 | abrotman | Usiu: the blinking lights? |
| 18:07.31 | blondie | rutski89: grep /etc/passwd wont |
| 18:07.33 | Usiu | abrotman, yea light are blinking |
| 18:07.36 | blondie | or type "groups user" |
| 18:07.37 | Usiu | abrotman, on pcmcia |
| 18:07.48 | budreefer | does anyone have a better version of this text 'The substitution of ‘z’ for ‘s’ has evolved so that a ‘z’ is now systematically put at the end of words to denote an illegal or cracking connection |
| 18:07.54 | abrotman | usually the blink in a certain pattern |
| 18:07.59 | abrotman | they blink |
| 18:08.00 | budreefer | i want something a little less evil sounding |
| 18:08.17 | blondie | budreefer: I don't like the higlighted Qs and Rs ;P |
| 18:08.17 | Usiu | abrotman, yes they blink |
| 18:08.28 | abrotman | Usiu: yes .. but normally different kinds of blinking mean different things |
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| 18:08.36 | Usiu | abrotman, :| |
| 18:08.36 | rutski89 | blondie: i see rutski89:x:1000:1000 is the "1000" a group number? |
| 18:08.41 | vahvarh | Hello guys! Anyone can help? apt-get upgrade says "[skipped] Can't locate overload.pm in @INC (@INC contains:.......... [skipped]" ? |
| 18:08.46 | blondie | rutski89: yes, the second 1000 is |
| 18:08.54 | ke6isf | budreefer: What are the UTF-8 characters you use in there? |
| 18:08.55 | Usiu | abrotman, DHCPDISCOVER on eth2 and nothing.. |
| 18:09.08 | abrotman | Usiu: do you have a WEP key ? |
| 18:09.10 | blondie | rutski89: "groups" will list groups for a user |
| 18:09.20 | Usiu | abrotman, yes |
| 18:09.27 | abrotman | Usiu: did you enter it with iwconfig ? |
| 18:09.38 | budreefer | ke6isf - hmmm b zarre it should just be straight txt paste let me dig the url |
| 18:09.40 | yos87 | I'm using mirc, why i'm not able to get the channel list? |
| 18:09.47 | abrotman | because your client sucks |
| 18:09.51 | Usiu | abrotman, no |
| 18:10.07 | ke6isf | yos87: Use xchat, mirc is garbage. |
| 18:10.08 | rutski89 | blondie: perfect, thanks |
| 18:10.09 | blondie | "I spent hours downloading that debian ISO, I *demand* proper support!" |
| 18:10.12 | abrotman | probably ought to .. don't you think ? |
| 18:10.14 | roxy_ | any special dpkg channel somewhere? |
| 18:10.16 | yos87 | abrotman: but it always happen |
| 18:10.17 | abrotman | blondie: how about a beer? |
| 18:10.20 | budreefer | loll |
| 18:10.23 | blondie | I don't like beer :( |
| 18:10.27 | abrotman | yos87: because you always use mirc |
| 18:10.44 | yos87 | xchat should be buyed |
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| 18:11.04 | ke6isf | What is buyed? =O.o= |
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| 18:11.12 | budreefer | http://www.comedia.com/hot/jargon-4.4.6/html/crackers.html thats the url the info is from its copied on many other websites too, 2nd bullet i want nicer version of that definition |
| 18:11.13 | abrotman | improper english |
| 18:11.18 | blondie | a crappy excuse for "bought"? |
| 18:11.30 | yos87 | ke6isf: xchat in windows is not free |
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| 18:11.33 | ke6isf | abrotman: Well, that's self-evident... |
| 18:11.37 | budreefer | i'm trying to not relate the use of Z at the end of a word to something bad or illegal |
| 18:11.42 | ChrisW | Do I need all of the images in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/jigdo-cd/ that end with .jigdo? |
| 18:11.43 | astronut | yos87: i beg to differ |
| 18:11.48 | ke6isf | yos87: wtf are you talking about? I downloaded it a while back, worked fine. Mind you, it's been over a year.... |
| 18:11.59 | astronut | ke6isf: they don't give away builds anymore |
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| 18:12.04 | ke6isf | astronut: ...oh. |
| 18:12.08 | blondie | arsing arse arse |
| 18:12.22 | astronut | ke6isf: they have a nagware build but they have dfsg sources....you can find plenty of unofficial builds that work fine |
| 18:12.30 | blondie | it stops booting at "random" points :\ |
| 18:12.38 | blondie | an error message would be nice |
| 18:12.52 | budreefer | sounds like ram ram ram |
| 18:12.53 | ke6isf | budreefer: The entry you are pointing to comes directly from the Jargon File, and probably reflects editorial opinion of Eric S. Raymond as well. I'd suggest talking to him about any changes. |
| 18:13.09 | jetscreamer | xchat in windows is both free and there's a version you can pay for |
| 18:13.18 | jetscreamer | silver-x.org or so |
| 18:13.19 | budreefer | ke6isf - i just thought maybe someone had a diff opinion in here i would love to hear one |
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| 18:13.29 | wireddd | why would you pay for xchat? |
| 18:13.32 | jetscreamer | silverex.org |
| 18:13.38 | jetscreamer | because you don't know :) |
| 18:13.41 | ke6isf | budreefer: It's fine as it exists. Incidentally, the most current version of that file exists at http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon |
| 18:13.51 | E-bola | Do anybody in here know how to get loop-aes to make more than the default 8 devices? |
| 18:14.09 | ChrisW | anyone? :-/ |
| 18:14.14 | budreefer | ke6isf - not what i was hoping to hear but thx a lot for nfo |
| 18:14.27 | ChrisW | it's so weird thinking how many years I've been using but never once installed it on a fresh pc :-S |
| 18:14.28 | jetscreamer | specify it when you load the module E-bola |
| 18:14.34 | ke6isf | yos87: Since you have to buy the build, have you pondered building the source yourself? |
| 18:14.42 | jetscreamer | well at least for loop, not sure about the aes part |
| 18:14.42 | E-bola | jetscreamer: knwo wher ei can find a parameter list for the loop module? |
| 18:14.48 | abrotman | ke6isf: you don't have to buy it |
| 18:14.59 | ke6isf | abrotman: ...it's been a while. |
| 18:15.01 | jetscreamer | http://silverex.org/news/ <--free xchat for windows |
| 18:15.12 | budreefer | peace to all you 1337 peeps |
| 18:15.14 | budreefer | l8ters |
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| 18:15.39 | Usiu | abrotman, still doesnt work |
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| 18:15.52 | jetscreamer | E-bola: i read it, but not sure where... maybe man 5 mount |
| 18:15.54 | blondie | I burn new sarge CD now |
| 18:15.59 | jetscreamer | err no that doesn't sound right |
| 18:16.11 | E-bola | jetscreamer: thanks i found the parameter name atleast now |
| 18:16.19 | E-bola | hopefully ile be able to get it fixed now |
| 18:16.21 | abrotman | Usiu: do you have a useful error message? |
| 18:16.26 | ChrisW | blondie: I'm trying to do the same thing, where did you get your images from? |
| 18:16.27 | yos87 | what is the differant between r0a, and r1a? |
| 18:16.35 | abrotman | a release number? |
| 18:16.39 | astronut | 10? |
| 18:16.57 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 18:17.06 | yos87 | i mean is there a big differant? |
| 18:17.08 | astronut | although i'm not sure what base that's in |
| 18:17.08 | jetscreamer | E-bola: compile it with >8 |
| 18:17.10 | astronut | 64 maybe? |
| 18:17.11 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 18:17.11 | yos87 | both is 3.1 |
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| 18:17.23 | ke6isf | yos87: With no context, I don't know. Are you referring to Sarge releases? |
| 18:17.40 | E-bola | jetscreamer: im using the debian package |
| 18:17.41 | blondie | er does "debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso" sound like a recent sarge netinst image? |
| 18:17.45 | astronut | yos87: r0a was a release because the first release had a typo in one file, made immediately after release |
| 18:17.47 | E-bola | and i know i increased the number last time |
| 18:17.50 | E-bola | i just forgot how |
| 18:17.55 | astronut | r1a would be the first point release |
| 18:17.56 | E-bola | but it was by passing a parameter to the kernel module |
| 18:18.07 | astronut | fixes security holes and criticial bus |
| 18:18.09 | Roadrunne | tzafrir_laptop: with pam_listfile can I stop the access to the system for this user or also just the log-entry in auth.log? |
| 18:18.16 | ChrisW | Anyone: am I correct in assuming that there are 14 cds on http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/jigdo-cd/?! |
| 18:18.22 | mrverbose | how can i forbid lo to use ipv6? |
| 18:18.28 | ke6isf | !anyone |
| 18:18.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:18.34 | astronut | ChrisW: you don't need all of them |
| 18:18.38 | yos87 | astronut: I understand a little only |
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| 18:18.49 | astronut | yos87: pardon? |
| 18:18.50 | tzafrir_laptop | Roadrunne, pam_listfile can help you run different commands for those users |
| 18:18.51 | yos87 | astronut: I have r0a |
| 18:18.56 | ChrisW | ke6isf: don't really see how that's relevant here.. |
| 18:19.01 | astronut | yos87: ok...that was the first release of sarge |
| 18:19.05 | ChrisW | astronut: which ones _do_ i need? |
| 18:19.13 | jetscreamer | E-bola: http://www.google.com/linux?q=Loopback+device+support&restrict=linux |
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| 18:19.15 | astronut | ChrisW: depends |
| 18:19.21 | ChrisW | on what? |
| 18:19.24 | astronut | r1a has a few fixes and such |
| 18:19.28 | astronut | ke6isf: 73 |
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| 18:19.42 | astronut | ChrisW: well, i think 1-7 are binary, 8-14 are source or something |
| 18:19.49 | astronut | and the most frequently ued packages are on disk 1 |
| 18:19.54 | Jmax | anyone using Xgl? |
| 18:20.10 | E-bola | jetscreamer: a reboot is needed to see its effect right? |
| 18:20.11 | astronut | ChrisW: you can always just do a netinstall and then download the rest as you need if you have a decent connection |
| 18:20.14 | astronut | !tell jmax about anyone |
| 18:20.23 | ChrisW | astronut: so just CD one should _"do" to get me up and running (os, fs, drivers for graphics card, network)? |
| 18:20.25 | yos87 | astronut: I knew, but is ther much differnat between both, shell I buy the new one? |
| 18:20.26 | E-bola | i cant just rmmod, and thne insmod it with the right parameters, and the devices magically apear in /dev? |
| 18:20.26 | Jmax | er |
| 18:20.27 | Jmax | ok |
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| 18:20.40 | Jmax | where can i get debian packages for Xgl? |
| 18:20.47 | astronut | ChrisW: yep...actually, you don't even need cd1, /msg dpkg netinst |
| 18:21.09 | astronut | yos87: you can download the difference, it's not much |
| 18:21.18 | ChrisW | astronut: does the netinstall contain the relevant disk, graphics and network drivers to get me up and running? |
| 18:21.20 | yos87 | aha |
| 18:21.22 | Supaplex | Jmax: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:21.24 | jetscreamer | E-bola: not sure, but i believe 8 is the default limit, that you can change by recompiling |
| 18:21.25 | ChrisW | (oh, and drivers for a usb keyboard and mouse ;-) ) |
| 18:21.25 | astronut | ChrisW: should, yes |
| 18:21.35 | ChrisW | okay, lets try that :-) |
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| 18:21.39 | astronut | yos87: just make sure the sarge repository is in your sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 18:22.10 | Usiu | abrotman, http://rafb.net/paste/results/XsluDX64.html |
| 18:22.12 | Jmax | Supaplex: i know how to search |
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| 18:22.20 | E-bola | jetscreamer: is is the default, and u can probably change the default by recompiling, but setting it at the module load time shoudl be just as good |
| 18:22.20 | Jmax | Supaplex: it's not in the official repository |
| 18:22.28 | Eulex | ChrisW, the netinst will be enough if you use a network card that is supported out-of-the-box and have got a a fast internet connection. almost all wired network cards, quite some wireless network cards aren't. |
| 18:22.36 | yos87 | astronut: it should be automaticlly there |
| 18:22.46 | Eulex | *almost all wired networks card are |
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| 18:22.54 | yos87 | because I update before |
| 18:22.56 | jetscreamer | E-bola: i'm not sure about the module load time part. maybe, maybe no. |
| 18:23.10 | Usiu | abrotman, http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZBujlf70.html |
| 18:23.14 | abrotman | Usiu: ifconfig -a |
| 18:23.18 | ChrisW | Eulex: yeah, it'll be the network interface on the Asus motherboard I'm using... |
| 18:23.19 | astronut | yos87: not if you installed from CD |
| 18:23.37 | ChrisW | okie dokie, iso on the way down... back to building ;-) |
| 18:23.41 | Eulex | ChrisW, do you know the chipset of that one? |
| 18:23.43 | astronut | ChrisW: ya, that should be fine, probably via-rhine |
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| 18:23.53 | ChrisW | I'll be back to find out what to do with the iso when it's down :-) |
| 18:23.55 | ChrisW | cheers! |
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| 18:24.05 | Usiu | abrotman, ifconfig -a http://rafb.net/paste/results/EUu3w919.html |
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| 18:24.13 | Usiu | abrotman, it a part |
| 18:24.26 | bbls | hello. i have a problem with network installation |
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| 18:24.44 | abrotman | Usiu: anything useful in dmesg ? |
| 18:24.47 | bbls | i tried for about 1 hour to netinstall the unstable version and i couldn't find any way to do it |
| 18:24.50 | bbls | anyone has any idea? |
| 18:24.58 | bbls | i'm booting from floppies |
| 18:25.18 | Supaplex | E-bola: you still hunting down the module paramaters for loop? |
| 18:25.39 | Eulex | bbls, umh, you don't install unstable. you install stable (or testing if you're feeling adventurous) and then you dist-upgrade (probable first to testing, then to unstable) |
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| 18:25.50 | Eulex | *probably |
| 18:26.02 | licia | hi |
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| 18:26.09 | bbls | Eulex, dist-upgrate? |
| 18:26.15 | bbls | why is so complicated? |
| 18:26.31 | Eulex | bbls, if you don't know what dist-upgrade is, you shouldn't run unstable |
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| 18:26.56 | bbls | i want to run unstable to be able to apt-get newer versions |
| 18:27.00 | astronut | Eulex: it's not too hard to go stable -> sid |
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| 18:27.06 | bbls | plenty of apps i've tried won't run anymore on stable |
| 18:27.14 | astronut | bbls: backports.org, or run testing |
| 18:27.17 | Supaplex | E-bola: you still hunting down the module paramaters for loop? |
| 18:27.22 | blondie | they dont run anymore? |
| 18:27.33 | JaMaHa | i installed debian today but i can't get to the X window system |
| 18:27.37 | bbls | astronut, that's not a solution |
| 18:27.42 | JaMaHa | it says that "no screens found" |
| 18:27.46 | E-bola | Supaplex: yes sory, my isp is killing me here |
| 18:27.59 | Eulex | JaMaHa, checked the X log? |
| 18:27.59 | E-bola | i found out that on my old server i had loop max_loop=16 |
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| 18:28.06 | E-bola | in /etc/modules |
| 18:28.08 | JaMaHa | how do i do that? |
| 18:28.13 | E-bola | wondering if that was all it took.... |
| 18:28.16 | lindi- | bbls: you can also create backports yourself for small self-contained packages |
| 18:28.18 | JaMaHa | i'm such a newbie when it comes to debian |
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| 18:28.29 | Eulex | JaMaHa, stable or testing/unstable? |
| 18:28.32 | moshii | does anyone know an easy way to get some modern looking fonts into lyx? |
| 18:28.37 | lindi- | bbls: what apps have you tried that won't run on stable? |
| 18:28.38 | JaMaHa | Eulex: stable |
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| 18:28.43 | astronut | JaMaHa: it means you don't have your x config right |
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| 18:28.50 | astronut | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 18:29.01 | Eulex | JaMaHa, /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 18:29.15 | dsl_ | morning.. can somone tell me wich image i need to make the boot install floppy for an older computer ? |
| 18:29.28 | sdfasdfgsdfasdfa | hello im an absolute newbie trying to istal debian sarge on my computer with Sata harddisc but it cannot be found, can anyone help me about that ? |
| 18:29.29 | Supaplex | E-bola: I noticed. :) Well, yes I would expect. dpkg -S /sbin/lsmod tells you it's in modutils, then you dpkg -L modutils and /sbin/modinfo shows up. I frequently forget it's modinfo =) |
| 18:29.30 | Eulex | bbls, anyway, if you're not familiar with package management in debian, you shouldn't run unstable, and you probably shouldn't run testing either. |
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| 18:29.33 | swatikiss | i am no longer seeing pdf files as previews in gnome... does anyone know how i can have this feature back? |
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| 18:29.58 | Eulex | sdfasdfgsdfasdfa, tried both kernels? and do you know which sata chipset you've got? |
| 18:29.59 | lindi- | dsl_: boot.img and root.img are both somewhere at ftp.debian.org, did you try looking there? |
| 18:30.05 | moshii | sdfasdfgsdfasdfa: are you booting the installer with the 2.6 kernel |
| 18:30.08 | E-bola | ahhh modinfo indeed is a super usefull command :) |
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| 18:30.16 | dsl_ | linid i thought they might be on the cd somewhere |
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| 18:30.22 | E-bola | thanks, didnt know about that one :() |
| 18:30.23 | dsl_ | lindi even |
| 18:30.46 | Supaplex | E-bola: yup. :) |
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| 18:30.55 | sdfasdfgsdfasdfa | i tried to boot with option linux26 and boot normally but mit 26 my dvd rom cannto be found anymore |
| 18:31.02 | lindi- | dsl_: they might be but i don't know, i installed from network. i'd take a look at ftp.debian.org first |
| 18:31.07 | E-bola | ok rebooting, hope thats all it takes |
| 18:31.09 | lindi- | dsl_: floppy images are not that large anyway |
| 18:31.13 | yos87 | eulex? |
| 18:31.18 | E-bola | mmm guess i should install udev |
| 18:31.23 | dsl_ | cooo |
| 18:31.25 | dsl_ | thanks |
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| 18:31.38 | moshii | sdfasdfgsdfasdfa: I don't think 2.4 has sata support, so you need to find out why the cdrom won't work with 2.6 |
| 18:31.48 | dsl_ | i mistakenly put dsl on this p160 mhz 32 mb of ram and it runs great but like i cant even get the compiler to work |
| 18:31.54 | sdfasdfgsdfasdfa | hmm sorry moshii its an dell computer with wd160 sata harddisc, no idee which sata chipset |
| 18:31.54 | dsl_ | so im just gonna do a scratch deb install |
| 18:31.55 | moshii | sdfasdfgsdfasdfa: if you switch virtual terminals in the installer you should be able to get a shell |
| 18:32.28 | blondie | o.O |
| 18:32.29 | Eulex | yos87, yes? |
| 18:32.30 | yos87 | sdfasdfgsdfasdfa: you don't have another nick name |
| 18:32.32 | JaMaHa | I just don't understand what to do |
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| 18:32.39 | lawnchair | sdfasdfgsdfasdfa, i like your nick |
| 18:32.44 | moshii | dsl_: cloop distros are poo aren't they ;) |
| 18:32.54 | Eulex | JaMaHa, look for (EE) in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 18:32.55 | freakystyle | moshii better so ? :) |
| 18:33.03 | bbls | lindi-, i've done everything it says on backports and i still can't upgrate the package |
| 18:33.07 | yos87 | lawnchair: why you say that |
| 18:33.10 | dsl_ | moshii well it wokred and for what it took to do it .. |
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| 18:33.17 | dsl_ | took me like 15 minutes ot install |
| 18:33.19 | JaMaHa | so I'm supposed to type that /var thingy to the command line? |
| 18:33.22 | bbls | it keeps saying that's already at latest version |
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| 18:33.29 | moshii | dsl_: same as debian then |
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| 18:33.34 | yos87 | eulex: I call you buy worong a few minites |
| 18:33.39 | lindi- | bbls: "the package"? which one is it |
| 18:33.43 | dsl_ | moshi ywa |
| 18:33.53 | bbls | lindi-, i try to get gcc |
| 18:34.24 | freakystyle | ehmm this with virtual terminals is absolutely new to my, i dont know exactly what you mean, can you explain it al little more exactly ? moshii |
| 18:34.24 | bbls | lindi-, apt-get -t sarge-backports install gcc |
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| 18:34.36 | bbls | also i want libc6 |
| 18:34.36 | lindi- | bbls: why are you trying to get newer gcc? |
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| 18:34.40 | Eulex | yos87, you haven't spoken to me before as far as I can see. |
| 18:34.42 | bbls | BECAUSe |
| 18:34.52 | bbls | whyt is everyone askind why i want a new version? |
| 18:34.56 | bbls | i simply want one |
| 18:35.04 | lindi- | bbls: i simply don't :) |
| 18:35.11 | yos87 | eulex: I call you before |
| 18:35.13 | bbls | also i want a new autoconf because there are plenty of sources that don't build anymore |
| 18:35.34 | bbls | newer sources will demand a newer autoconf, like code::blocks src |
| 18:35.40 | E-bola | Sweet |
| 18:35.40 | blondie | sigh |
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| 18:35.46 | Eulex | bbls, the same version of autoconf is in both stable, testing and unstable. |
| 18:35.47 | blondie | this computer really doesn't like debian :( |
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| 18:36.01 | bbls | how is then that possible? |
| 18:36.06 | E-bola | Thanks jetscreamer and Supaplex, a reboot and udev installed made it happen |
| 18:36.07 | E-bola | :) |
| 18:36.07 | moshii | freakystyle: if you press alt+f2 you should see something that says press enter to activate this console |
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| 18:36.14 | blazefx | hey all |
| 18:36.16 | bbls | that the code::blocks requires a newer autoconf package? |
| 18:36.17 | blondie | try and run the sarge installer, and it gets past a few screens (selecting language) and then stops :( |
| 18:36.25 | lindi- | bbls: which version does it require? |
| 18:36.29 | bbls | also there are plenty of other packages |
| 18:36.35 | moshii | freakystyle: from there you should have access to tools like dmesg, and then you can find out why your cdrom isn't working |
| 18:36.39 | JaMaHa | so how can i reconfigure those X settings? |
| 18:36.41 | bbls | which demand newer libc6 |
| 18:36.55 | moshii | JaMaHa: dpkg-reconfigure xfree86 or dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
| 18:36.56 | freakystyle | i have intel 82801FB/FBM Ultra ata storage controler, okay ill try it |
| 18:36.57 | bbls | lindi-, dunno i've already deleted it |
| 18:37.02 | freakystyle | i have intel 82801FB/FBM Ultra ata storage controler, okay ill try it moshii |
| 18:37.03 | Eulex | JaMaHa, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. and have you checked your X log yet? |
| 18:37.10 | lindi- | bbls: oh, hard to help then :/ |
| 18:37.21 | JaMaHa | i just don't understand how to get to that log |
| 18:37.22 | moshii | JaMaHa: sorry, xserver-xfree86 ;) |
| 18:37.24 | Eulex | freakystyle, that's probably some ich sata chipset |
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| 18:37.32 | bbls | lindi-, but most .deb packages i try won't install anymore |
| 18:37.42 | lindi- | bbls: where do you get those packages? |
| 18:37.43 | blazefx | Which guide do you all recomend as a guide to securing your debian box? |
| 18:37.44 | bbls | all of them need like 10 new packages |
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| 18:37.49 | lindi- | bbls: some unofficial pages? |
| 18:37.51 | bbls | lindi-, not from apt-get of course |
| 18:37.55 | jetscreamer | ls /var/log |
| 18:37.55 | bbls | lindi-, yes unofficial |
| 18:38.03 | jetscreamer | less /var/log/whatever |
| 18:38.16 | moshii | freakystyle: |
| 18:38.24 | jetscreamer | !harden |
| 18:38.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, harden is D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 18:38.24 | moshii | freakystyle: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/sata-status.html |
| 18:38.32 | lindi- | bbls: well, trying to install binary packages for unstable on sarge is not going to work :) |
| 18:38.36 | blondie | could a sympton of a not-powerful-enough PSU be that the computer just stops booting (and hangs but keyboard still works) with no errors? |
| 18:38.45 | blazefx | thanks jetscreamer |
| 18:38.48 | bbls | lindi-, ok, but how the hell do i install unstable then? |
| 18:38.53 | blazefx | is that the best would you say?/ |
| 18:38.54 | jetscreamer | !sid |
| 18:38.54 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 18:38.56 | bbls | lindi-, this is what i've asked and nobody tells me |
| 18:38.59 | Eulex | JaMaHa, nano /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 18:39.10 | jetscreamer | less not nano |
| 18:39.18 | lindi- | bbls: if you'd give me examples of such packages i could tell you how to possibly backport them |
| 18:39.19 | Eulex | jetscreamer, both will work |
| 18:39.28 | jetscreamer | yeah but less is more user friendly |
| 18:39.30 | bbls | there are too many of them |
| 18:39.37 | bbls | almost all never .deb are broken |
| 18:39.40 | jetscreamer | just the log, not the log.0 or .1 |
| 18:39.42 | bbls | as they won't install on stable |
| 18:39.51 | freakystyle | yeah i got ahci, controler its new type of ich moshii |
| 18:40.11 | Eulex | jetscreamer, not imho. it took quite a long time before I found out that I had to press q to get out of it. in nano you've got the shortcuts on screen. |
| 18:40.13 | lindi- | bbls: yes, unofficial packages are often broken |
| 18:40.18 | jetscreamer | heh :) |
| 18:40.25 | moshii | freakystyle: how is the cdrom connected? |
| 18:40.26 | bbls | lindi-, not broken as in not working! |
| 18:40.33 | jetscreamer | i still hit esc instead of q... sometimes ctrl x |
| 18:40.35 | bbls | ok, i think i'll just use gentoo |
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| 18:40.41 | jetscreamer | k bye |
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| 18:41.20 | vm | Hello - if cat /proc/cpuinfo gives "Intel(R) Pentium(R) III Mobile CPU" then should I select "pentium III" or "pentium M" in kernel 2.6.15 compilation ? -Thanks |
| 18:41.31 | Eulex | vm, pentium 3 |
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| 18:41.39 | moshii | freakystyle: you might be able to force your bios to fake IDE, which will atleast get you installed :) |
| 18:41.39 | freakystyle | its ide connected, its ide, i think as master, not sure moshii |
| 18:41.59 | moshii | freakystyle: so when you boot with the 2.6 kernel the cdrom isn't detect? |
| 18:42.03 | Eulex | vm, a pentium m is those that are put in the centrinos. it has nothing to do with pentium 3 m or pentium 4 m. |
| 18:42.25 | vm | Many thanx Eulex |
| 18:42.29 | moshii | freakystyle: boot the installer, press alt-f2, then enter, and do "dmesg | grep CD" |
| 18:42.56 | jsturgis | how can i get a user js to be able to chmod files owned by www-data? |
| 18:43.06 | blondie | what'll linux do if I switch on an external SCSI disk pack after the PC has booted? |
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| 18:43.26 | freakystyle | well its boots from dvd, but as soon as i give linux26 as boot option it tells me no cd rmo dvd deceted or sth like that, i should use own drivers moshii |
| 18:44.02 | freakystyle | wait i gonna switch to my notebook, want to install linux on this computer moshii |
| 18:44.15 | moshii | freakystyle: have you tried a debian-installer snapshot? |
| 18:45.00 | Eulex | freakystyle, have you tried installing from the first cd instead of the dvd? |
| 18:45.05 | freakystyle | i dont know, i booted from dvd directly, no idee what installer it is, probalby the standard one moshii |
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| 18:45.17 | freakystyle | i have only dvd Eulex |
| 18:45.31 | moshii | freakystyle: try one of the images from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 18:45.36 | Eulex | freakystyle, have you got a fast net connection? |
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| 18:46.01 | moshii | freakystyle: if you're using sata you probably want the newer kernel in testing/unstable anyways |
| 18:46.32 | Eulex | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 18:46.32 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.12 is, like, http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ for sarge/amd64 |
| 18:46.33 | Eulex | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 18:46.34 | dpkg | [sarge 2.6.14] http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 18:46.34 | freakystyle | moshii i took it from there with jigdo and acutally i took stable version |
| 18:46.49 | JaMaHa | Eulex: thanks, got it working |
| 18:46.50 | Eulex | freakystyle, ^^ you could try one of those |
| 18:46.55 | Eulex | JaMaHa, yw :) |
| 18:47.01 | moshii | freakystyle: get the business card can see if that works, only 50 meg |
| 18:47.12 | fredex | First posting here, pls let me know if I violate any rules.... |
| 18:47.33 | fredex | am trying to locate the debian maintainer for a particular package, so far I haven't found any lists of maintainers at debian.org. Advice? |
| 18:47.36 | freakystyle | where to get that moshii ? |
| 18:47.45 | tarzeau | !moshii |
| 18:47.46 | tarzeau | !moshi |
| 18:47.53 | Supaplex | !sushi |
| 18:47.53 | dpkg | sushi wa dai-suki desu yo. |
| 18:48.09 | moshii | watashi mo! |
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| 18:48.14 | tarzeau | !mosh |
| 18:48.17 | Eulex | !maint libc6 |
| 18:48.27 | freakystyle | 3mibt connection Eulex |
| 18:48.39 | tarzeau | freakystyle: mosh girl, right? |
| 18:48.39 | Eulex | freakystyle, ok, get the netinstaller. |
| 18:49.00 | moshii | freakystyle: from that link I pasted .. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 18:50.21 | dpkg | libc6: GNU Libc Maintainers <debian-glibc@lists.debian.org> |
| 18:50.26 | peppo_tala | an APT question. if I have installed a source (CVS) version of a library, and forced removal of the debien package without dependencies... how can I install packages that depend on the binary package? --ignore-missing didn't work. |
| 18:50.52 | freakystyle | what dou you mean by business vard moshii, nothing like that to find on that link, or do i understand you wrong ? |
| 18:50.53 | Eulex | freakystyle, if that one doesn't work, try the sarge netinsts with the 2.6.12 and 2.6.14 kernels above |
| 18:51.07 | Eulex | fredex, like that. /msg dpkg maint pkgname |
| 18:51.22 | parsek_77 | hi all. i am in the process of installing debian network install, i came to point of selecting packages. i have p3 celeron with 128mb ram, want to install fluxbox or something small. should I continue with manual pacakage selection or with desktop package selection? |
| 18:51.24 | fredex | eulex: tks, I'll give it a whirl. |
| 18:51.50 | lindi- | parsek_77: you can skip selection completely and apt-get install fluxbox after installation |
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| 18:52.22 | moshii | freakystyle: businesscard CD image (50 Mb) |
| 18:52.24 | Eulex | fredex, or like this: http://pdo.debian.net/stable/base/libc6 (look at the bottom) |
| 18:52.27 | parsek_77 | lindi-, ok, so it will start with text mode and then do apt-get install fluxbox? |
| 18:52.35 | lindi- | parsek_77: yep |
| 18:52.52 | lindi- | parsek_77: and x-window-system |
| 18:52.52 | fredex | Eulex, tks again! |
| 18:53.03 | parsek_77 | lindi-, i got it, this is my first time (debian) |
| 18:53.24 | Eulex | freakystyle, you should get the netinst, in case the sarge kernel doesn't support your network card, the netinst will at least contain a base system. |
| 18:53.24 | parsek_77 | lindi-, will it install X automaticly? |
| 18:53.31 | Eulex | fredex, or apt-cache show libc6 :) |
| 18:53.38 | freakystyle | oh i got it lol, sorry, im german, the link u sent to me was tranlated in my language :) mmos |
| 18:53.42 | freakystyle | oh i got it lol, sorry, im german, the link u sent to me was tranlated in my language :) moshii |
| 18:54.13 | blondie | the fever sure has got me good |
| 18:54.30 | Eulex | fredex, yw :) |
| 18:54.37 | fredex | Eulex, I'm looking for a PUP maintainer. I've seen a reference to a debian package for it before, but none of the ideas you suggest turns up such a package. is it possible it's been dropped? Having trouble locaiting its original author, was hoping a debian maintainer could assist. |
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| 18:55.19 | InKubus | what's that alias command thing for apache.conf where you can point a server folder at another directory? like say *server*/phpmyadmin /var/www/phpmyadmin ? |
| 18:55.20 | freakystyle | Eulex is that then a bootable cd where i can get the needed packages on demand ? |
| 18:55.23 | lindi- | parsek_77: apt-get install x-window-system will |
| 18:55.43 | blondie | InKubus: virtualhost? |
| 18:55.56 | InKubus | ah no just like folder redirection |
| 18:56.13 | Eulex | fredex, there doesn't seem to be any package named pup (whatever that is, never heard of it before). it may be removed. |
| 18:56.18 | Eulex | freakystyle, yes |
| 18:56.27 | blondie | InKubus: Alias |
| 18:56.38 | InKubus | alias /folder /path ? |
| 18:56.52 | blondie | yes |
| 18:56.54 | parsek_77 | lindi-, doing it right now |
| 18:57.04 | InKubus | thanks blonde you're a star |
| 18:57.05 | blondie | Alias /alias /realfolder |
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| 18:58.27 | Eulex | fredex, you could search the debian weekly news with site:http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/ on google. the weekly new contain info about removed packages. |
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| 18:58.50 | parsek_77 | lindi-, is there a light x window server ? or x is the only choice? |
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| 18:59.04 | parsek_77 | since i have 128mb ram, i want to keep everything light |
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| 18:59.50 | Eulex | fredex, ah, the package is in stable, but not in testing or unstable. was orphaned at http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/debian-news-2003/msg00038.html. |
| 18:59.52 | astronut | parsek_77: x is farely light, use a light window manager |
| 18:59.53 | lindi- | parsek_77: XFree86/Xorg is the X server you most likely want to use. another option is to use vncserver which is an X server with svncviewer |
| 19:00.11 | parsek_77 | thanks |
| 19:00.22 | astronut | parsek_77: the important thing is to not use kde/gnome... try xvwm or fluxbox or blackbox |
| 19:00.28 | astronut | i run fluxbox myself anyway |
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| 19:00.37 | astronut | keep meaning to try out blackbox, but *shrug* |
| 19:00.45 | Eulex | fredex, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=202232 |
| 19:00.54 | parsek_77 | astronut, how can I make debian boot into fluxbox after installation? |
| 19:01.10 | astronut | parsek_77: apt-get install x-windows-system fluxbox xdm |
| 19:01.14 | astronut | and set xdm to use flux |
| 19:01.37 | parsek_77 | edit some config file? |
| 19:01.45 | fredex | Eulex, ah. Once again you've been helpful. Thanks a bunch! |
| 19:01.56 | astronut | parsek_77: it has an option right on the login page |
| 19:01.59 | astronut | once you install xdm |
| 19:02.11 | Eulex | fredex, yw :) |
| 19:02.13 | fredex | Eulex, does orphaned mean no one is maintaining it? |
| 19:02.20 | astronut | fredex: look underneat |
| 19:02.25 | astronut | after it was orphaned, it was rmeoved |
| 19:02.27 | astronut | removed* |
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| 19:02.47 | parsek_77 | astronut, i see |
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| 19:04.10 | Eulex | fredex, it seems to be fairly dead, as the last release was in 2000: http://pup.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:04.41 | E-bola | hmmm |
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| 19:04.52 | fredex | Eulex, yes, I know of that site. but the author doesn't seem to be available at the email listed in the package. was hoping that a hypothetical debian maintainer might know how to contact him. |
| 19:04.56 | blazefx | Hey does anyone know of a better gude then the Securing Debian Manual? It seems to vague for me. |
| 19:05.02 | blazefx | guide* |
| 19:06.02 | jetscreamer | blazefx: try tldp.org |
| 19:06.02 | E-bola | Guys losetup for loop-aes dont apear to work, losetup -a returns nothing |
| 19:06.08 | pipeline | parsek_77: 128M of RAM is going to be a tight fit no matter what, you know. |
| 19:06.09 | fredex | Eulex, for those of us with a lexmark optra color 40, it's a handy tool, but having a problem, hence the desire to contact the author. oh well, probably can't find him anywhere. I 'preciate your help. |
| 19:06.14 | pipeline | parsek_77: KDE or Gnome will be the least of your problems. |
| 19:06.33 | sepski | blazefx, dont run services you dont need. md5 all files on disk and burn the result to cd before production. do security upgrades daily. take frequent backups |
| 19:06.50 | parsek_77 | pipeline, yes i know |
| 19:07.07 | parsek_77 | i tried smll damn linux but i want to install freeNX also, |
| 19:07.21 | parsek_77 | then thought i can get more support from debian |
| 19:07.41 | Eulex | fredex, heh, ok |
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| 19:08.07 | fredex | see y'all |
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| 19:09.33 | pinecone | I'm having trouble getting X to work from the install of Sarge. The core pointer fails in the mouse setup. i am trying all of the options for the mouse, but it's just a plain wheel mouse from AOpen. |
| 19:10.18 | jetscreamer | try modprobe mousedev or modprobe psmouse |
| 19:10.32 | jetscreamer | if one works, add it to /etc/modules |
| 19:11.06 | jetscreamer | you want imps2 for the wheel, not ps2 btw |
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| 19:12.16 | jetscreamer | and psaux is for ps2 mouse (differernt from imps2/ps2) |
| 19:12.28 | parsek_77 | tried startx but giving mouse (pointer) error |
| 19:12.43 | jetscreamer | same to you |
| 19:12.46 | Eulex | pinecone, that's a ps/2 or a usb mouse? |
| 19:13.09 | hsikrut | Feb 12 10:59:45 stars kernel: /usr/src/modules/spca5xx/drivers/usb/spca5xx.c: USB SPCA5XX camera found. ApexDigital Digitrex 2110 spca533 |
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| 19:13.26 | hsikrut | im trying to mount my digital video camera to sda1 but it wont happen help |
| 19:13.27 | pinecone | Ok, It's a pos/2 mouse. |
| 19:13.37 | pinecone | make that ps/2 mouse |
| 19:13.58 | jetscreamer | psaux and imps2 in the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-(whatever) |
| 19:14.05 | jetscreamer | modprobe the two things i said |
| 19:14.08 | jetscreamer | first |
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| 19:14.24 | pinecone | I'm rebooting from knoppix back into Sarge.... |
| 19:14.29 | mifritscher | hi |
| 19:14.36 | hsikrut | im trying to mount my digital video camera to sda1 but it wont happen help |
| 19:14.46 | SerajewelKS | !tell hsikrut about repeat |
| 19:14.51 | mifritscher | has anybody got the ati all in wonder running? |
| 19:14.54 | parsek_77 | pinecone, i think i have similar prob. should i do the modprobe? |
| 19:15.03 | pinecone | what about using xfconfig? |
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| 19:15.13 | parsek_77 | ok |
| 19:15.30 | mifritscher | pinecone, I mean tht tv-in |
| 19:15.47 | jetscreamer | no |
| 19:15.47 | hsikrut | im trying to mount my digital video camera to sda1 but it wont happen help |
| 19:15.48 | parsek_77 | pinecone, command not found |
| 19:15.52 | jetscreamer | it's deprecated :) |
| 19:15.55 | Eulex | hsikrut, umh... you can mount a digital video camera? |
| 19:15.57 | jetscreamer | xf86config |
| 19:16.01 | hsikrut | yes |
| 19:16.05 | hsikrut | eulex........ |
| 19:16.06 | SerajewelKS | hsikrut: WE HEARD YOU THE FIRST TIME |
| 19:16.08 | hsikrut | root@stars:/media/sda1# mount /dev/sda1 /media/camera |
| 19:16.08 | hsikrut | mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 19:16.14 | Eulex | pinecone && jetscreamer, no, *don't* |
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| 19:16.15 | parsek_77 | working |
| 19:16.27 | jetscreamer | Eulex: see deprecated and no |
| 19:16.32 | Eulex | drxx |
| 19:16.35 | Eulex | !drxx |
| 19:16.35 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:16.39 | pinecone | what is tv-in |
| 19:17.04 | jetscreamer | opposite of tv out ? |
| 19:17.07 | parsek_77 | pinecone, i have ps/2 connected wheel mouse, select imps? |
| 19:17.10 | Virtual | I am trying to get my Nokia 7710 phone connected to my linux pc, i connected it via usb cable and did lsusb and it seems that it connected fine also acordingly to dmesg but I don't know how to mount it to get files off it |
| 19:17.12 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 19:17.13 | mifritscher | pinecone, it has an tv tuner on it |
| 19:17.18 | jetscreamer | imps2 |
| 19:17.20 | Virtual | can anybody help ? |
| 19:17.27 | Eulex | parsek_77, yes, psaux and imps/2 |
| 19:17.37 | SerajewelKS | Virtual: check dmesg and see if it got assigned a device |
| 19:17.43 | Eulex | Virtual, does fdisk -l list it? |
| 19:17.48 | pinecone | going for the imps2... |
| 19:18.09 | parsek_77 | emulate3buttons? is it going to emulate the button on the wheel? |
| 19:18.12 | Eulex | hsikrut, if so, check dmesg and fdisk -l for it |
| 19:18.15 | jetscreamer | tell it no |
| 19:18.20 | parsek_77 | ok |
| 19:18.27 | Eulex | parsek_77, yes. it's useful if you haven't got a middle button. |
| 19:18.28 | jetscreamer | you have a 3rd button, unles you don't, then tell it yes |
| 19:18.32 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 19:18.33 | Virtual | SerajewelKS: /dev/ttyUSB0 ? |
| 19:18.43 | Virtual | Eulex: no |
| 19:18.57 | parsek_77 | mouse device? /dev/mouse? |
| 19:18.57 | pinecone | what mouse dev to use? |
| 19:19.02 | jetscreamer | psaux |
| 19:19.06 | jetscreamer | top |
| 19:19.06 | hsikrut | eulex its not in fdisk but its in the logs |
| 19:19.06 | Eulex | parsek_77, /dev/psaux |
| 19:19.13 | parsek_77 | ok |
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| 19:20.08 | parsek_77 | sorry for these newbie qstns, nope jetscreamer |
| 19:20.24 | Eulex | hsikrut, the message you pasted tells that you can use it as a video-in device. there's nothing that has suggested that you can mount it and use it as a usb storage drive. |
| 19:20.25 | jetscreamer | i asked the same questions iirc |
| 19:20.27 | parsek_77 | it's asking me the keyboard |
| 19:20.40 | jetscreamer | 104 or 105 depending |
| 19:20.45 | hsikrut | eulex so how do i use it ? |
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| 19:20.53 | Virtual | /dev/psaux |
| 19:20.56 | jetscreamer | i forget the exact format |
| 19:20.56 | Virtual | /dev/psaux |
| 19:20.57 | edouard | hello, I wrote a qdisc that I would like to test, for that, i need to curb the speed of an iface, how do I do that ? |
| 19:20.57 | Virtual | /dev/psaux |
| 19:21.01 | Virtual | try /dev/psaux |
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| 19:21.22 | tictac | Firmware Version : v4.20.7 |
| 19:21.22 | tictac | Applications |
| 19:21.22 | tictac | & Gaming |
| 19:21.22 | diego | hello there |
| 19:21.25 | tictac | Wireless-G Broadband Router all authorization attempts areFirmware Version : v4.20.7 |
| 19:21.29 | tictac | Applications |
| 19:21.32 | jetscreamer | buhbye |
| 19:21.33 | Virtual | . |
| 19:21.37 | diego24 | hi there |
| 19:22.05 | Eulex | hsikrut, you could try for example kino. |
| 19:22.09 | diego24 | can someone help me with something on debian :D |
| 19:22.21 | hsikrut | whats thaT? |
| 19:22.25 | diego24 | I wanna enable alt + ### like in windows |
| 19:22.30 | pinecone | I just tried /dev/psaux and did a tartx. Got fatal server error: cannot open input device and refers to /dev/input/mice then says no core pointer. This is what I've been getting all along |
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| 19:22.32 | diego24 | so alt+65 should be 'A' |
| 19:22.35 | Eulex | hsikrut, apt-cache show kino |
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| 19:23.01 | zebalin7 | Hi folks. Anyone have eclipse in etch? How did you get it? Take the one from sid? |
| 19:23.23 | blondie | why would "Starting MTA:" take so damn long on boot :\ |
| 19:23.31 | Eulex | pinecone, check your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 19:23.39 | pinecone | ok... |
| 19:23.50 | Eulex | pinecone, does it say /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux? |
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| 19:24.00 | parsek_77 | jetscreamer, i don't my video card's memeory, it's onboard, i was able to use 1280 1024 24 bit, what should I say? |
| 19:24.20 | parsek_77 | or should I ctrl-c |
| 19:24.50 | Eulex | if it says /dev/input/mice, you'll probably need to follow the following instructions: |
| 19:24.52 | Eulex | !xmd5 |
| 19:24.52 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 19:25.07 | zebalin7 | !eclipse |
| 19:25.07 | dpkg | [eclipse] the end of the world, or an awesome extensible IDE written in Java. http://www.eclipse.org/ |
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| 19:25.22 | prudhvi | Hi, how do i install Clearlooks GTK+ Theme in Debian Sarge 3.1r1 ? |
| 19:25.31 | programmer | hi |
| 19:25.40 | fuzzball | how back to u |
| 19:25.44 | mifritscher | !aiw |
| 19:25.45 | Eulex | !tell prudhvi about search |
| 19:25.48 | diego24 | exit |
| 19:25.50 | mifritscher | :( |
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| 19:26.14 | fuzzball | wow. talk about highway |
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| 19:26.24 | mifritscher | can anybody help me unterstand the crashlog from kdetv? http://rafb.net/paste/results/knoZiJ19.html |
| 19:26.25 | programmer | hi there :) anyone knows how to enable alt+### in linux :::D |
| 19:26.33 | Eulex | prudhvi, gtk2-engines-clearlooks, but learn to search next time |
| 19:26.33 | lindi- | zebalin7: do you know how to edit dpkg bot's answers? |
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| 19:26.49 | mifritscher | I don't understand kdetv: WARNING: [VBIDecoder::restart()] no permission to access device |
| 19:26.52 | Eulex | lindi-, what needs to be changed? |
| 19:26.55 | mifritscher | I tried it as root, too |
| 19:27.04 | ILF_ | how to stop gdm from auto-starting on boot? i tried to dpkg-reconfigure it but it doesn't ask me for it. do i really need to manually edit /etc/rcX.d/ ? |
| 19:27.13 | Eulex | !nodm |
| 19:27.13 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 19:27.24 | pinecone | So the key line appears to be "Device" "/dev/input/mice" ? |
| 19:27.34 | lindi- | Eulex: it could mention that eclipse is now finally available in debian |
| 19:27.48 | lindi- | Eulex: (unstable only though) |
| 19:27.52 | ILF_ | Eulex: thanks |
| 19:27.55 | programmer | q |
| 19:28.02 | fuzzball | btdt |
| 19:28.03 | Eulex | pinecone, well, I don't know, I haven't got access to your X config file |
| 19:28.08 | parsek_77 | same startx problem, couldn't find pointer |
| 19:28.15 | lindi- | Eulex: and it would be preferable for people to test the package rather than get stuff from www.eclipse.org |
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| 19:28.45 | dplus | :( |
| 19:29.01 | Eulex | lindi-, yes, eclipse is now in unstable. |
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| 19:29.20 | Jennieo | hi is there a user called "fuzzball"? here? |
| 19:29.35 | fuzzball | yup |
| 19:29.37 | lindi- | Eulex: yep, so how could i add a mention about that to the output of "!eclipse"? |
| 19:29.59 | Eulex | !eclipse |
| 19:29.59 | dpkg | i guess eclipse is the end of the world, or an awesome extensible IDE written in Java. http://www.eclipse.org/ |
| 19:30.32 | Virtual | anybody can tell me how to mount my mobile phone ? |
| 19:30.45 | Eulex | lindi-, basically, you tell dpkg: no, fact is ... |
| 19:31.00 | pinecone | The block is called "Input Device" and the identifier is "Configured Ouse" This is what appears in the error message. I just redid the config exercise and it failed to refister the change. I guess. The target directory is correct. |
| 19:31.12 | lindi- | Eulex: hmm? i'll try |
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| 19:31.44 | pinecone | should have said Configured Mouse |
| 19:31.57 | parsek_77 | i have startx problem, giving me mouse pointer error, even i changed it psaux, anybody can help? |
| 19:32.02 | lindi- | dpkg: no, fact is eclipse is now also apt-get install eclipse |
| 19:32.02 | dpkg | okay, lindi- |
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| 19:32.34 | pinecone | parsek, we have same issue |
| 19:32.41 | parsek_77 | ok |
| 19:32.59 | zebalin7 | How would I get eclipse into etch? Get it from unstable? |
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| 19:33.06 | Eulex | lindi-, umh, 'fact' would be the fact you change. eclipse in this case |
| 19:33.09 | Eulex | dpkg, no, eclipse is the end of the world, or an awesome extensible IDE written in Java. http://www.eclipse.org/, or get it from unstable |
| 19:33.09 | dpkg | Eulex: okay |
| 19:33.13 | Eulex | !eclipse |
| 19:33.13 | dpkg | methinks eclipse is the end of the world, or an awesome extensible IDE written in Java. http://www.eclipse.org/, or get it from unstable |
| 19:33.18 | peach_fuzz | hi all (again) |
| 19:33.57 | lindi- | Eulex: ok |
| 19:34.10 | peach_fuzz | i uaed to be known as "fuzzball" |
| 19:34.22 | Jennieo | jenna? |
| 19:34.30 | peach_fuzz | me |
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| 19:34.53 | parsek_77 | pinecone, startx worked but no mouse movement, it looks like locked |
| 19:35.02 | pinecone | I amusing xf86config but it seems not to be saving my inouts to XF86Config-4 like it should... |
| 19:35.44 | Eulex | pinecone, you shouldn't use xf86config |
| 19:35.56 | Eulex | pinecone, use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 19:36.05 | Eulex | and you'll probably need to do the following: |
| 19:36.07 | Eulex | !xmd5 |
| 19:36.07 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 19:36.16 | pinecone | ok, I'll rty it now... |
| 19:36.41 | Eulex | anyway, gotta go... bbl |
| 19:37.03 | ardy | Has anyone here tried building the 2.6.15.4 kernel? I can't get it to properly mount my reiserfs disk |
| 19:38.06 | bucky | ardy, did you build cramfs into the kernel? |
| 19:38.12 | Eulex | ardy, are you using an initrd? |
| 19:38.16 | bucky | so initrd would work? |
| 19:38.53 | ardy | I'm not using initrd.... |
| 19:39.15 | Eulex | ardy, have you then compiled your ide/sata and fs drivers into the kernel and not as modules? |
| 19:39.27 | ardy | yes... |
| 19:39.32 | pinecone | They are identical so the dpkg command should work? |
| 19:39.39 | bucky | is reiserfs and libata and all that other happy shit compiled into your kernel |
| 19:39.55 | Eulex | pinecone, they aren't identical. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is the preferred way. |
| 19:39.56 | ardy | yes, where is the cramfs option... |
| 19:39.59 | peach_fuzz | does anyone here know how to acess the cookies on Mozilla Firefox? |
| 19:40.23 | pinecone | Sorry, I meant that the md5 sums are identical... |
| 19:40.31 | peach_fuzz | i need help |
| 19:40.32 | parsek_77 | pinecone, my startx woked ! |
| 19:40.34 | Eulex | ardy, I think it's in the miscalleounos (sp?) in the filesystem |
| 19:40.37 | Eulex | section |
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| 19:40.45 | Eulex | pinecone, ah, yes |
| 19:40.47 | bucky | peach_fuzz, Edit->Preferences->Privacy->Cookies |
| 19:41.03 | pinecone | parsek, tears are dripping on my keyboard |
| 19:41.12 | ardy | Eulex: bucky: no I don't have cramfs compiled should I? |
| 19:41.35 | bucky | you need it if you use initrd |
| 19:41.41 | parsek_77 | pinecone, i did that dpk-..... |
| 19:41.43 | peach_fuzz | thankx, bucky |
| 19:42.06 | ardy | oh... I guess I don't need it then.. |
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| 19:43.08 | ardy | Eulex: I have the ata drivers compiled into my kernel as well as the reiserfs stuff |
| 19:43.35 | peach_fuzz | pinecone, why exactly are tears dripping onto your keyboard? |
| 19:43.36 | pinecone | The reconfigure is akingfor a video card bus identifier, I understand that this canbe left null? |
| 19:44.04 | pinecone | Tears of joy for parsek, who can go where I cannot (yet) |
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| 19:44.13 | ardy | Eulex: Its weird, it loads the kernel and mounts reiserfs in read/only then fails to open /dev/null and I get a prompt but when I log in the disk is totaly readonly and I can't execute anything |
| 19:44.17 | Jennieo | ??? |
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| 19:46.51 | ardy | bucky: Eulex: could it be because I have romfs as a compiled in option? |
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| 19:49.41 | dw_ | Hi. I noticed that there are a few programs for running iTunes servers, but are there any apps that I can use to get songs *off* an iTunes server (i.e. someone else's) ?? |
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| 19:50.32 | Jennieo | n e 1 want to talk about books/movies/computor experiances? go to #bmce |
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| 19:50.42 | asg | Jennieo: don't advertise in here |
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| 19:50.50 | Eulex | pinecone, yes |
| 19:50.59 | Jennieo | sorri |
| 19:51.18 | Eulex | ardy, no |
| 19:51.40 | kspath | what are books? |
| 19:52.02 | asg | kspath: bets on whether actor A will divorce actor B |
| 19:52.03 | Jennieo | u don't know what books are? |
| 19:52.08 | adaptr | kspath: they're , like, man pages, but on pa-per.... |
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| 19:52.24 | adaptr | which is made from forests |
| 19:52.24 | kspath | oh papyrus |
| 19:52.26 | Jennieo | they are in the library. |
| 19:52.32 | nandez | Hi! I will install a new mailserver with Debian. I will need you help during a time :) |
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| 19:52.42 | Jennieo | ok |
| 19:52.53 | asg | nandez: you already have one in the base install; it's called exim |
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| 19:53.30 | pinecone | I am now th eproud user of a functioning X system! May all of your respective karmas be heavily incremented ! |
| 19:53.51 | Jennieo | so is n e 1 giong to #bmce??? |
| 19:53.51 | Phated | karmae. :) |
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| 19:53.57 | ardy | Eulex: any other ideas? |
| 19:54.00 | asg | pinecone: to give karma to the apropriate people, /msg dpkg <nick>++ |
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| 19:54.21 | asg | Jennieo: this is an English only channel. I've also told you not to advertise. |
| 19:54.27 | dori | could someone tell me what update-rc.d does? I saw instructions for a debian for a program and I'd like to figure out what I should do |
| 19:54.35 | asg | dori: man update-rc.d |
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| 19:54.50 | dori | asg: I'm not on debian, I need to translate the instructions to slackware |
| 19:55.06 | kspath | Jennieo: do you know what the yellowstone caldera is? |
| 19:55.15 | Eulex | ardy, sorry, no |
| 19:55.16 | asg | dori: well, since Slackware isn't a sysv init style system, it won't make much sense. |
| 19:55.22 | Jennieo | I'M SORRY, OK, asg !!! |
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| 19:55.29 | Venger | hello, i have downloaded all 14 discs for debian, do i have to burn out all cd's to be able to install debian ? |
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| 19:55.45 | Phated | !d-i Venger |
| 19:55.45 | dpkg | Venger, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:55.54 | pinecone | Ok! How do I get the mouse to run in text reading mode, say, after I have done less textfile? |
| 19:55.56 | Phated | Oh, wait - that doesn't lead to the netinstall, does it? |
| 19:55.57 | asg | dori: basically, the BSD style rc.conf is synonymous with the SYSV style init, just differently implemented. |
| 19:56.05 | Venger | ok |
| 19:56.09 | asg | !netinst |
| 19:56.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For sarge, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ For boot floppies see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ For etch see http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/beta1/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso for x86, or see dialup install. Also see d-i. |
| 19:56.10 | thingfish | Venger: most likely, the first two will get you by. |
| 19:56.14 | Jennieo | asg: what's begub is half DONE |
| 19:56.15 | Phated | pinecone: Eh, install gpm. |
| 19:56.27 | dori | asg:well, in general what's it used for? |
| 19:56.29 | Phated | pinecone: Don't think it works for scrolling, though. |
| 19:56.41 | asg | dori: starting services at boottime as well as boottime system maintenance. |
| 19:57.00 | dori | ok, that's all I needed |
| 19:57.04 | pinecone | Scrolling not a prob, just want to cut and paste between consoles etc. |
| 19:57.12 | dori | thanks |
| 19:57.24 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 19:57.48 | Phated | pinecone: Oh, definitely gpm then. Select, change console, right-click. |
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| 19:57.49 | nandez | [asg]: Not yet. I'm waiting to IBM servers arrives in my company. During this time, I'm searching for a good Linux distribuition, and I think that Debian is a goodest. |
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| 19:58.07 | asg | nandez: what IBM servers are you using? |
| 19:58.19 | lindi- | pinecone: alternatively, use gnu screen. it works with scrolling too and you can detach away from it and continue work from another physical location |
| 19:58.19 | nandez | xSeries 236 |
| 19:58.29 | pinecone | I haven't gotten and installed anything since installing, very green at this. i suppose i start with apt-get? |
| 19:58.37 | nandez | [asg]: xSeries 236 |
| 19:58.39 | asg | nandez: should be supported. We use HS20 blade servers with custom 2.4.32 kernels |
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| 19:59.22 | asg | pinecone: yes, or tasksel / dselect if you want larger package selection options. |
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| 20:00.08 | nandez | [asg]: And... it's easy to install and implement a mailserver with Debian? I thought to use Debian with Postifix and MySQL |
| 20:00.26 | pinecone | Just tried tasksel/ dselect and got error. select works ok.. |
| 20:00.27 | xrgtn_ | losetup from testing fails to setup loopback device with big (64bit) offset (-o option). Is this normal? Can anyone check on stable? |
| 20:00.50 | nandez | [asg]: Sorry, I'm Brazilian. I speak english a little :-) |
| 20:01.14 | asg | nandez: well, you'll get better native support in #debian-br (where portuguese is spoken) |
| 20:01.28 | xrgtn_ | # losetup -o $((4111*255*63*512)) -f /dev/hda |
| 20:01.32 | xrgtn_ | ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS64: Invalid argument |
| 20:01.44 | xrgtn_ | With small offsets it's OK. |
| 20:01.48 | FlopsyPete | when I try to 'aptitude install fetchmail' I get this error preventing dpkg from configuring it: "Starting mail retrieval agent: fetchmailfetchmail: no mailservers have been specified. (failed)". whats up? |
| 20:02.06 | nandez | [asg]: Hmm, I didn't know that this channel exists :) |
| 20:02.17 | peach_fuzz | is n e 1 here in ontario? |
| 20:02.24 | asg | nandez: we are here to route you to the most appropriate place :) |
| 20:02.40 | xrgtn_ | Also, strace hangs on losetup and losetup -d |
| 20:02.51 | nandez | [asg]: Where are you from? |
| 20:03.10 | asg | nandez: .uk originally, in .us at the moment |
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| 20:03.23 | asg | !tell Jennieo about guidelines |
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| 20:04.00 | asg | Jennieo: I'm being helpful, don't take it the wrong way |
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| 20:04.06 | ChrisW | hello again |
| 20:04.11 | ChrisW | right, i now have a downloaded iso file |
| 20:04.20 | ChrisW | anything special about how I should burn it to disk? |
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| 20:04.56 | abrotman | burn image |
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| 20:06.43 | peach_fuzz | thanks msg |
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| 20:07.49 | nandez | [asg]: Oh good. I live in São Paulo. See some pictures in http://www.sampaonline.com.br/postais/ |
| 20:07.59 | ChrisW | woo... burning now :-) |
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| 20:08.12 | asg | nandez: They hold the Brazillian GP there don't they? |
| 20:08.47 | nandez | [asg]: Oh yes. Interlagos is the name of the place. |
| 20:08.54 | asg | nandez: that's right. |
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| 20:09.12 | amonkey | is it possible to do a net install with a cardbus ethernet adapter? i have a FA511 and it's not being detected |
| 20:09.35 | abrotman | should be possible |
| 20:09.42 | nandez | [asg]: Thanks a lot, asg. See you! |
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| 20:09.47 | asg | nandez: have a good day |
| 20:09.58 | nandez | [asg]: ;-) |
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| 20:10.08 | parsek_77 | anybody installed freeNX? |
| 20:10.19 | amonkey | abrotman, any idea how to get it to see the fa511? doesn't look like it's even being powered |
| 20:10.20 | peach_fuzz | yes. >:( |
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| 20:10.34 | lindi- | parsek_77: would be nice to see it in debian |
| 20:10.34 | abrotman | amonkey: which kernel did you try? |
| 20:10.34 | kbrooks | can i speed up my d/l throughtput? |
| 20:10.38 | parsek_77 | peach_fuzz, how did u do that? |
| 20:10.40 | abrotman | kbrooks: yes |
| 20:10.47 | kbrooks | abrotman, how? |
| 20:10.51 | balony | !aclocal |
| 20:10.52 | manuu | does anyone have the gkrellm-shoot ? is the package broken ? i cannot install it on sarge .. is there a problem with it ? |
| 20:10.53 | abrotman | kbrooks: pay more money |
| 20:10.55 | asg | kbrooks: pay your ISP more |
| 20:10.57 | lindi- | parsek_77: last time i looked they had config files in /usr and other funky stuff |
| 20:11.01 | balony | !tell balony about aclocal |
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| 20:11.20 | asg | \m/ |
| 20:11.23 | amonkey | abrotman, not sure, i just grabbed the net install iso (debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso) |
| 20:11.29 | parsek_77 | lindi-, so there is not a released package for FreeNX? |
| 20:11.32 | abrotman | amonkey: there is a 2.4 kernel and 2.6 |
| 20:11.33 | abrotman | !ig |
| 20:11.33 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 20:11.40 | lindi- | parsek_77: not in debian afaik |
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| 20:12.07 | peach_fuzz | people: don't worry about jennieo. she gets pissed off easly. |
| 20:12.08 | parsek_77 | lindi-, it's a very good net application |
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| 20:12.22 | asg | parsek_77: /msg dpkg freenx |
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| 20:13.01 | lindi- | asg: any idea why it hasn't entered unstable yet? |
| 20:13.01 | too-quick | i downloaded java from the java website and i installed according to the directions but when ever i go to a page that uses java, my browser crashes..any ideas? |
| 20:13.08 | amonkey | abrotman, it's the 2.4 |
| 20:13.19 | abrotman | amonkey: then type linux26 .. see if that works for you ? |
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| 20:13.22 | peach_fuzz | ttyl, people! |
| 20:13.24 | asg | lindi-: either nobody has officially packaged it or it has licensing issues. I'm not sure which though. |
| 20:13.43 | abrotman | !nx |
| 20:13.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, nx is http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
| 20:13.44 | asg | lindi-: the factoid mentioned above has unofficial packages though |
| 20:13.50 | asg | !freenx |
| 20:13.50 | dpkg | it has been said that freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 20:13.51 | parsek_77 | how do i know whether i have arge or sid? |
| 20:14.07 | asg | parsek_77: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:14.12 | lindi- | asg: ok, sigh, i'd like to know about potential license problems before i build anything important on top of freenx :/ |
| 20:14.14 | parsek_77 | it says 3.1 |
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| 20:14.28 | Eulex | parsek_77, you've got sarge |
| 20:14.28 | asg | parsek_77: then you have sarge |
| 20:14.36 | parsek_77 | :) ok |
| 20:15.09 | asg | lindi-: *nod* |
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| 20:15.38 | X-TRaZy | Anyone who knows of a nice howto for udev on debian? |
| 20:15.52 | amonkey | abrotman, success, thanks |
| 20:16.22 | abrotman | yay |
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| 20:21.48 | harfooz | hi all. I am getting a dpkg serious warning that I need help with. I've posted a sample of the output here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1800 |
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| 20:21.48 | humboldt | how can I delete all queued postfix messages or some of them? |
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| 20:22.01 | Gathond | humboldt: stop it and remove them manually from the queue I think |
| 20:22.07 | deadcat | my dvd is weird. dma is on, then i burn a dvd, but when i mount the drive, it spits out some error in the logfile then dma turns off |
| 20:22.13 | harfooz | If I try to remove libcupsys2 and cupsys then there are many, many additional packages that also would get removed. |
| 20:22.19 | lindi- | harfooz: apt-get --reinstall install libcupsys2 cupsys ? |
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| 20:22.27 | abrotman | i think postqueue has an option |
| 20:22.34 | harfooz | lindi-, I'll give that a try. thanks. |
| 20:23.15 | Gathond | dont think postqueue can du anything but flush all or one site (which just sends them) |
| 20:23.34 | abrotman | uhm .. no |
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| 20:23.51 | micahf | hey how do you go about swapping modifiers in X? |
| 20:24.06 | micahf | I want to make my super key be control |
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| 20:24.33 | abrotman | superkey? |
| 20:24.37 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 20:24.38 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 20:24.50 | harfooz | lindi-, thanks very much! That fixed it. |
| 20:24.53 | Gathond | abrotman: at least that is what a glance on the manpage says basically, it might be outdated though |
| 20:25.00 | deadcat | dvd help please, dma turns off when i mount a dvd: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/dvd.dma |
| 20:26.19 | abrotman | deadcat: READ THE FUCKING MAN PAGE YOU LOSER |
| 20:26.29 | dvs | o_O |
| 20:26.31 | deadcat | abrotman: man page for mount or what? |
| 20:26.34 | micahf | thanks guys |
| 20:26.47 | abrotman | is it sata? |
| 20:26.51 | micahf | mostly thank you abrotman |
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| 20:26.57 | deadcat | abrotman: just a ide dvd burner |
| 20:27.04 | micahf | and dpkg, assuming it is a guy too |
| 20:27.10 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 20:27.10 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 20:27.19 | blondie | I eat glue. |
| 20:27.28 | dvs | blondie: Okay, Ralphie |
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| 20:27.35 | blondie | eh? |
| 20:28.31 | blondie | well I am |
| 20:28.44 | blondie | but I've only seen about 2 seasons of it |
| 20:28.51 | abrotman | darn english |
| 20:28.58 | blondie | o.O |
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| 20:30.04 | jebstark_ | I would like to rename all files in one dir. all these files start with a dot; ._dfjjf.jpg - I would like to remove the dot to make them visable. |
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| 20:30.11 | blondie | how many disks can you have in a RAID 5 with mdadm? |
| 20:30.38 | dvs | blondie: as many as you like but one three of them will be active at a time |
| 20:30.51 | blondie | only 3? |
| 20:31.01 | blondie | hm |
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| 20:31.07 | dvs | blondie: the rest would be considered spare drives |
| 20:31.19 | zinx | jebstark_: for i in .*; do mv -i "$i" "${i#.}"; done |
| 20:31.23 | adaptr | dvs: huh ? up to the amount you can put in hte box |
| 20:31.31 | jebstark_ | zinx: thanks! |
| 20:31.38 | zinx | jebstark_: but you'll probably want .*.jpg or such rather than .* |
| 20:31.40 | abrotman | jebstark_: oddly enough . there is a rename program |
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| 20:31.49 | blondie | I have a sun disk box thingy with 6 identical drives in it |
| 20:31.54 | blondie | not sure how to RAID them |
| 20:32.02 | dvs | blondie: 2 RAIDS |
| 20:32.21 | zinx | RAID6 ftw |
| 20:32.39 | deadcat | abrotman: hmm. mounting a cd with the dvd drive is ok. but not dvd, i mean i get the error, but i still can read the files. |
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| 20:32.54 | abrotman | deadcat: maybe it's someting you just can't do .. ? |
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| 20:33.30 | adaptr | dvs: have you read the mdadm documentation ? where do you getthat limitation from ? |
| 20:34.00 | deadcat | abrotman: well. i just re-enable dma each time before i start burning (= |
| 20:34.28 | dvs | adaptr: you misread what I said |
| 20:34.37 | adaptr | how so ? |
| 20:34.38 | parsek_77 | freeNX installed and working |
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| 20:34.51 | adaptr | you said that mdadm raid5 can use 3 disks maximum |
| 20:35.03 | nandez | asg: I didn't like the debian-br :) The people are disagreeable |
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| 20:35.31 | dvs | adaptr: you can have as many drives you want in a RAID5 setup but only three will be active. The rest will be considered spare drives. |
| 20:35.45 | abrotman | did you try reenabling it after the movie starts? |
| 20:35.54 | nandez | [asg]: I come back after. Hugs.. |
| 20:36.00 | adaptr | dvs: the mdadm author disagrees with you |
| 20:36.13 | micahf | wow xmodmap makes no sense to me whatsoever |
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| 20:38.09 | xrgtn_ | anyone can confirm losetup -o works under 2.4 kernel with big offset? |
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| 20:40.23 | gnufan | Eek -- having hideos Debian install experience.... I think I'll go back to using the Etch install, the Sarge one seems to have given me "testing" when I'm sure I asked for "unstable"..... and the dhcp client is playing fast and loose with my /etc/resolv.conf... And since we've moved to the Xfree86 I assume I can't snaffle the XFree86 config file that morphix creates using the Ubuntu livecd? |
| 20:40.34 | pinecone | I'm casting around in dselect looking for screen. is there a quick way to search the package list? |
| 20:41.06 | gnufan | pinecone: just type "apt-get install screen" once it has finished - dselect sucks. |
| 20:41.11 | abrotman | pinecone: /screen |
| 20:41.33 | pinecone | so. apt-get install /screen ? |
| 20:41.46 | azeem | pinecone: no, you search with /foo in dselect |
| 20:42.03 | gnufan | pinecone: No I think he is telling you how to use dselect -- I think life is too short |
| 20:42.11 | pinecone | right, just saw that |
| 20:42.32 | humboldt | how can I quickly determine how many lines there are in a file? |
| 20:42.41 | useruser | humboldt: wc -l < file |
| 20:42.41 | gnufan | humboldt: wc -l filename |
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| 20:43.17 | xrgtn_ | pinecone: just try to avoid using dselect at all. Use apt-get/debfoster |
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| 20:43.33 | xrgtn_ | aven aptitude is better than dselect |
| 20:43.41 | gnufan | useruser: did you follow the discussion on Haskell in the blogs for counting lines? |
| 20:43.51 | useruser | gnufan: no |
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| 20:44.49 | azeem | xrgtn_: contrary to apt-get dselect is a proper apt frontend |
| 20:45.24 | abrotman | that doesn't change the fact that dselect is a royal pain to use |
| 20:45.54 | dvs | abrotman: oh come on. it's a rite of passage. If you can use it, you can use Debian |
| 20:45.57 | azeem | yeah, but if you are used to it, it is pretty spiff |
| 20:46.20 | azeem | I only use "dselect remove" in a chroot though, as that seems to work similar to debfoster |
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| 20:46.34 | gnufan | dvs: Ah but I can use Debian without using dselect ;) |
| 20:46.49 | dvs | gnufan: yeah, NOW you can. Before, you couldn't |
| 20:46.54 | abrotman | azeem: it's never spiff ... |
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| 20:48.05 | xrgtn_ | azeem: dselect is just not very convenient. I prefer apt-get search + debfoster. |
| 20:48.23 | deadcat | abrotman: i think problem fixed. set the io support to 32bit instead of default 16 seems to work |
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| 20:49.42 | gnufan | xrgtn_: me too -- there was a poll on a site no so long ago -- seems "apt" is favourite, whilst those who know what they are doing prefer "aptitude" -- I didn't bother adding aptitude to the learn pile tho. |
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| 20:51.13 | pinecone | What do I edit to get a colour display in the consoles? |
| 20:51.14 | deadcat | abrotman: nop. just mounting, when i play/read the files it still goes gives the errors (= |
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| 20:51.38 | abrotman | yay |
| 20:52.36 | comp7 | pinecone: edit the /root/.bashrc file |
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| 20:52.55 | xrgtn_ | I had some problems with aptitude -- coredumps, crashes when switching to root etc. Now it's gone. But I still use testing/unstable and the biggest problem remains -- aptitude's thoughts on how best to upgrade/resolve dependencies/conflicts is awful imho... |
| 20:53.34 | xrgtn_ | s/is awful/are awful/ |
| 20:54.00 | comp7 | hi all, is there a possibility to deny a single user access to the /tmp folder? |
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| 20:54.30 | xrgtn_ | I.e. it can' t handle conflicts automatically when installed base is large and something non-trivial happens |
| 20:54.48 | Gathond | comp7: should be, but probably not with the standard unix permission scheme, but some ACL system on top of it sure |
| 20:55.32 | gnufan | comp7: why? |
| 20:55.37 | comp7 | Gathond: ty |
| 20:55.58 | chakatz | Can I enlarge an extended partition, sda4, which contains a RAID partition sda5, to make room for a new partition sda6? (I'm worried this may mess up the RAID) |
| 20:56.25 | comp7 | gnufan: I've had some hacks, with www-data putting stuff in the tmp folder, the folder isnt mounted on a diff partition, thats why |
| 20:56.34 | comp7 | but maybe theres another option? |
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| 20:57.15 | ericw | chakatz, use LVM next time. |
| 20:58.06 | ericw | chakatz, but now that you've gotten yourself in this bind, you could try it, but make really good backups. Obviously, this isn't a production machine, or you wouldn't be asking. |
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| 20:58.14 | Skuz | what version of xorg does testing have? |
| 20:58.21 | deadcat | 6.8.2 |
| 20:58.38 | Skuz | okay :) thank you |
| 20:58.51 | Skuz | I need fglrx and the drivers dont work with anything above 6.8 |
| 20:59.03 | juice` | why phpmyadmin package have both php4 and php5 depends? |
| 20:59.08 | Skuz | good deal, i'll be back in about an hour when i get this install going |
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| 20:59.16 | erhanugur | hi |
| 20:59.20 | chakatz | ericw: Just a home machine but the RAID volume hase some 25 GB vmware virtual disks on it. I have nowhere to put them |
| 20:59.26 | abrotman | juice`: it doesnt |
| 20:59.37 | erhanugur | debian kernel panic!!! :( |
| 20:59.39 | xrgtn_ | heh, losetup -o <big-offs> works with Debian's current 2.6.15 kernel |
| 20:59.40 | juice` | abrotman: http://pdo.debian.net/testing/web/phpmyadmin |
| 20:59.42 | micahf | I found this program called XKeyCaps |
| 20:59.42 | erhanugur | fsck |
| 20:59.43 | chakatz | ericw: Is there a downside to LVM? |
| 20:59.46 | micahf | and I seriously recommend it |
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| 21:00.00 | abrotman | juice`: notice the OR? |
| 21:00.01 | juice` | on 'etch' :) |
| 21:00.04 | lee_ | I'm running sarge and make backports myself. how do I add unstable to apt so I can search it's archive but never install a binary? |
| 21:00.08 | ericw | chakatz, lvm has some overhead. |
| 21:00.18 | comp7 | is there an option to prevent www-data from putting stuff in tmp when tmp is not on a diff partition, so cannot be mounted nosuid noexec? |
| 21:00.19 | pipeline | lee_: Just add a regular deb-src to your sources.list. |
| 21:00.19 | ericw | chakatz, but the benefits are worth it, imho. |
| 21:00.20 | juice` | abrotman: oh. how to install it then without apt-get automatically installing php5 too then? |
| 21:00.28 | chakatz | ericw: space or CPU overhead? |
| 21:00.29 | streuner | lee_: pdo |
| 21:00.34 | erhanugur | help pls, kernel panic (fsck - all yes) |
| 21:00.47 | lee_ | pipeline, what doesn't seem to add anything to apt-cache's search or policy functions |
| 21:00.48 | juice` | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 21:00.49 | juice` | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.49 | azeem | erhanugur: fsck? |
| 21:01.01 | juice` | this is what i get, when i type apt-get install phpmyadmin |
| 21:01.09 | juice` | and i have only php4 installed |
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| 21:01.26 | erhanugur | debian start--> fsck manuel conf -->after--> reboot--> kernel panic :( |
| 21:01.28 | lee_ | streuner, pdo was down for a while. I'm trying to get a searchable system without requiring a web browser. |
| 21:01.32 | abrotman | juice`: do you have libapache2-mod-php4 installed ? |
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| 21:01.43 | juice` | abrotman: yes, and it wants to remove it :/ |
| 21:01.58 | streuner | lee_: links, lynx would work |
| 21:01.59 | pipeline | lee_: You have to update. |
| 21:02.07 | juice` | abrotman: but typing in 'apt-get install phpmyadmin libapache2-mod-php4' is still going to install php5 |
| 21:02.10 | streuner | lee_: see /topic for pdo too |
| 21:02.15 | abrotman | juice`: paste the message somewhere |
| 21:02.23 | juice` | ok |
| 21:02.28 | ericw | chakatz, I think there is some space overhead, but thats minimal. Its cpu overhead. |
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| 21:02.52 | ericw | chakatz, what kind of raid are you doing ? |
| 21:02.55 | lee_ | thanks |
| 21:03.23 | juice` | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/550193 |
| 21:03.29 | juice` | abrotman: and i did apt-get update |
| 21:03.32 | pinecone | I've edited .bashrc, how to get the change to take effect without a reboot? |
| 21:03.51 | zinx | pinecone: depending on the changes you made, . ~/.bashrc |
| 21:03.54 | chakatz | ericw: MD RAID 0 |
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| 21:04.11 | gnufan | juice`: whats wrong with php5 ;) |
| 21:04.12 | abrotman | juice`: do you have php4 installed ? |
| 21:04.15 | pinecone | Just uncommented the colour related lnes |
| 21:04.24 | juice` | abrotman: yes. |
| 21:04.34 | abrotman | juice`: dpkg -l | grep php4 |
| 21:04.38 | gnufan | pinecone: open a new sh (type sh) |
| 21:04.39 | juice` | gnufan: my control panel is not ready for it. yet. it will be soon. |
| 21:04.41 | annoia | Will Debian move to X.org 7.0? |
| 21:04.58 | comp7 | pinecone: you need to relog for it to work |
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| 21:05.47 | juice` | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/550200 |
| 21:05.47 | ericw | chakatz, in that case, you're already getting increased performance from striping.. LVM is gonna take away a little bit of the benefit, but it should definately be faster than without raid-0 |
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| 21:05.56 | StereoSkit | dudes i get this when i use mplayer: "[AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory", plus there's no /dev/dsp effectively in my system, any pointer to fix this? |
| 21:05.58 | chakatz | ericw: I created 3 primary partitions and one extended parttion of the RAID an left 70GB free. I didn't realize that an extended partition is a promary partition too |
| 21:06.03 | mikeX | Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Config.pm line 5. |
| 21:06.14 | mikeX | after installing sid on amd64 :s |
| 21:06.23 | mikeX | INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
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| 21:06.28 | chakatz | ericw: That's good to hear. |
| 21:06.29 | pinecone | Done! |
| 21:06.33 | azeem | annoia: it's already partly in experimental |
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| 21:06.41 | annoia | azeem - Ooh, ok |
| 21:06.41 | abrotman | juice`: apt-cache depends phpmyadmin ? |
| 21:06.44 | mathias64 | mikeX: it's a bug in perl-base that is supposed to be fixed in perl 5.8.8-2 but there is not perl 5.8.8-2 for amd on the server right now. |
| 21:07.01 | juice` | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.01 | juice` | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.08 | abrotman | don't paste it here |
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| 21:07.21 | mikeX | mathias64: I see, so what should I do? |
| 21:07.41 | juice` | abrotman: just 2 lines... |
| 21:07.43 | chakatz | ericw: My idea for the raid-0 is that the virtual disks could use the added speed boost. I think it payed off. |
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| 21:07.55 | juice` | abrotman: i thought those 2 are important, ok i will paste whole on pastebin |
| 21:07.59 | mathias64 | mikeX: I am currently trying to build the perl packages on my own machine. If that works, it would be the best way. apt-get source perl does get perl 5.8.8-2 it's just the binary packages that are missing |
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| 21:08.02 | abrotman | juice`: that's it? |
| 21:08.13 | azeem | is there a way I can X11 forward a client in a chroot? |
| 21:08.24 | juice` | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/550206 |
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| 21:08.34 | azeem | hrm, I could run a sshd in the chroot maybe |
| 21:08.37 | mikeX | mathias64: ok, thanks a lot :) |
| 21:09.08 | abrotman | juice`: this makes no damn sense |
| 21:09.37 | mathias64 | mikeX: note that I am not sure if perl will build right. I will know as soon as debian/rules stops running. |
| 21:09.43 | juice` | abrotman: :| maybe i will try changing sources list |
| 21:09.44 | StereoSkit | dudes any ideas for why i dont have /dev/dsp on my system? |
| 21:09.53 | abrotman | juice`: maybe ... |
| 21:09.58 | mikeX | mathias64: ok, I'm waiting for your input :) |
| 21:10.51 | nadjyla | hello |
| 21:11.00 | juice` | abrotman: its doing the same from official sources |
| 21:11.13 | nadjyla | my slow computer hate a /list on freenode Oo |
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| 21:11.57 | streuner | StereoSkit: what kernel do you use (cat /proc/version)? |
| 21:12.13 | Dirk_Bogard | any thoughts on recovering a partition from some bad controller writes? |
| 21:12.15 | StereoSkit | dudes, i cant play xmms with oss and aumix has errors so it wont open, nor mplayer can play any audio, why would this be happenning anyone knows |
| 21:12.21 | Dirk_Bogard | Inode corruption, things like that? |
| 21:12.31 | StereoSkit | streuner: 2.6.12-1-686 |
| 21:12.48 | streuner | StereoSkit: tell us the full output |
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| 21:13.01 | StereoSkit | /dev/dsp does not exists for starters |
| 21:13.14 | Dirk_Bogard | StereoSkit: maybe oyu have to mknod it? |
| 21:13.18 | streuner | StereoSkit: cat /proc/version |
| 21:13.32 | StereoSkit | streuner: Linux version 2.6.12-1-686 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 4.0.2 20050917 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.1-8)) #1 Tue Sep 27 12:52:50 JST 2005 |
| 21:13.34 | juice` | abrotman: what should i do now to solve it then ? |
| 21:13.49 | streuner | StereoSkit: hm, run 'alsaconf' |
| 21:13.54 | StereoSkit | Dirk_Bogard: no idea |
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| 21:14.10 | streuner | StereoSkit: make sure you haven't any OSS modules loaded |
| 21:14.12 | abrotman | juice`: you can force |
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| 21:14.20 | Dirk_Bogard | StereoSkit: I don't know but I don't think devices are magically created these days |
| 21:14.42 | juice` | abrotman: damn, when i typed apt-get install php4, installation started :| |
| 21:14.49 | StereoSkit | i thought that device is created when the systems starts and detects audio hardware |
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| 21:14.53 | juice` | abrotman: it seemed i had it installed |
| 21:15.08 | abrotman | juice`: doh! .. everything ok now ? |
| 21:15.29 | Dirk_Bogard | StereoSkit: could be -- would be news to me, but then I haven't hacked kernel in a while |
| 21:15.43 | StereoSkit | streuner: i can play xmms selecting alsa output sound driver, but any other program that interacts with audio in the system tries to use oss and theres where the programs wont play any audio |
| 21:15.50 | juice` | abrotman: yes, but why it said php4 is installed and it WAS installed (it worked fine) and somehow apt-get thought it isnt |
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| 21:16.17 | StereoSkit | Dirk_Bogard: i dont know, for sure, i thought |
| 21:16.19 | abrotman | juice`: maybe an older version? |
| 21:16.25 | mathias64 | mikeX: as a work around, you can just copy overload.pm to /usr/lib/perl/5.8.8/overload.pm and that will make debconf work (at least, it let me configure it) |
| 21:17.03 | mikeX | ok mathias64 gonna try that as soon it downloads |
| 21:17.04 | juice` | abrotman: no, the same version. but i think i know why. testing was slow in updating php from 4.4.0 to 4.4.2 i think, and i switched to unstable just for this one update |
| 21:17.16 | juice` | abrotman: so i had 4.4.2 from unstable |
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| 21:18.10 | juice` | abrotman: thats why apt-get thought i don't have correct php4 ( + some 'etch' signature ) and suggested for me php5 install. at least i think so |
| 21:18.23 | juice` | abrotman: thank you |
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| 21:19.04 | StereoSkit | k |
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| 21:19.47 | abrotman | juice`: ah .. gotcha |
| 21:19.48 | tdn | How do I scoll up when inside a screen? |
| 21:19.56 | blondie | press Page Up? |
| 21:20.04 | tdn | blondie: does not work in a screen. |
| 21:20.08 | abrotman | god damn snow |
| 21:20.16 | orchid | tdn C-a ESC |
| 21:20.29 | abrotman | shift pgup ? |
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| 21:20.39 | blondie | yeah that works |
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| 21:21.22 | StereoSkit | k, alsaconf fixed it, tnx |
| 21:21.23 | tdn | orchid: Ok. Thanks. |
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| 21:21.33 | tdn | abrotman: does not work in a screen. |
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| 21:21.44 | edt | anyone know what supplies the module overload.pm ? |
| 21:22.00 | edt | it seems that console-common requires it and its not installed here |
| 21:22.03 | abrotman | !tell edt about search |
| 21:22.26 | _rene_ | welcome in sid. already fixed, |
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| 21:22.49 | _rene_ | (in perl-base 5.8.8-2) |
| 21:22.50 | mathias64 | edt: what platform are you on? |
| 21:23.16 | edt | amd64 |
| 21:23.40 | mrnice_ | #debian |
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| 21:23.45 | edt | searching did not find anything |
| 21:23.52 | _rene_ | then you just need to wait till a fixed package arrives |
| 21:23.57 | _rene_ | welcome in sid. |
| 21:23.57 | edt | non did /msg apt find xxxx |
| 21:23.58 | Usiu | Hi |
| 21:24.02 | edt | which worked for years |
| 21:24.07 | mathias64 | edt: there isn't a binary package fixing the bug for amd64. The simple work around is to copy overload.pm from the perl source into /usr/lib/perl/5.8.8/ until there is a package. Or you can build a perl-base 5.8.8-2 yourself. |
| 21:24.12 | edt | _rene I have been using sid for YEARs |
| 21:24.14 | _rene_ | I just told you what the problem is.. |
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| 21:24.22 | Usiu | Anybody knows how to set WPA-PSK with wireless?? |
| 21:24.26 | Usiu | I did it this way http://www.vollink.com/gary/deb_wifi.html |
| 21:24.30 | mathias64 | _rene_: this isn't a ``sid'' problem -- it's a bad oversight by the perl maintainer, which has happenend before. |
| 21:24.33 | Usiu | but I get error in dmesg |
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| 21:24.40 | _rene_ | mathias64: right. so what? he uses sid |
| 21:24.46 | _rene_ | mathias64: and has to live with it. |
| 21:24.48 | deadcat | Usiu: /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 21:24.56 | Usiu | deadcat, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/tgU1FW69.html |
| 21:25.03 | Usiu | deadcat, dmesg |
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| 21:25.16 | edt | _rene_ I knew why there was a problem - what I wanted was a fix which mathias64 just gave me - THANKs |
| 21:25.21 | pinecone | I have downloaded firefox.....tar.gz withthe tar -xvvzf file command. Got unexpected end of file and unrecoverable error. Ideas? |
| 21:25.21 | _rene_ | in any case, amd64 always laggs a bit behing anyway because it does not have accepted autobuilding |
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| 21:25.46 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:25.46 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:25.52 | deadcat | Usiu: i've never used wpa but lets see the wpa_supplicant.conf settings |
| 21:25.57 | mathias64 | right. that's why the overload.pm problem is still a problem with amd64 |
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| 21:26.09 | mathias64 | it was fixed yesterday or the day before in i386 |
| 21:26.11 | _rene_ | right |
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| 21:27.00 | Usiu | deadcat, those are fine... I guess.. |
| 21:27.13 | Usiu | deadcat, ifplugd works strange |
| 21:27.18 | deadcat | Usiu: well then you on your own if you sya they are fine |
| 21:27.21 | Harley^ | Would someone please recommend a -=] POPULATED [=- irc channel that could answer some questions I have about Audacity Audio software usage ? |
| 21:27.35 | Usiu | deadcat, wait |
| 21:27.39 | mathias64 | _rene_ make sure to build it as root, since it won't build under fakeroot. |
| 21:27.48 | _rene_ | wtf? |
| 21:27.56 | _rene_ | perl doesn't build with fakeroot? |
| 21:27.58 | edt | what is the command that gets the source a auto builds the package |
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| 21:28.11 | _rene_ | htf does it build on the buildds then? |
| 21:28.35 | mathias64 | the debian/rules for perl runs a test suite which fails if you aren't root. I just tried it under fakeroot, failed, su'ed, and then compiled it succcessfully |
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| 21:28.44 | _rene_ | mmh |
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| 21:28.52 | xim | hello. i don't understand why awstats doesn't save a dnscachelastupdate.txt file even if i set it up in my config file. Anyone have a clue? |
| 21:28.55 | gnufan | Argh -- xdebconfigurator did everything but the mouse... |
| 21:28.59 | Usiu | deadcat, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/RHThTr48.html |
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| 21:29.10 | mathias64 | edt: apt-get source perl, followed by su, cd perl-5.8.8, and debian/rules binary |
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| 21:29.44 | Usiu | deadcat, is it possible to use it without ifplugd ? |
| 21:29.58 | edt | mathias64 thanks |
| 21:30.19 | deadcat | Usiu: that looks ok. i dont know whats ifplugd, like i said. i dont really use wpa. i am still on wep |
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| 21:30.23 | deadcat | dont even have wpa at home |
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| 21:30.29 | Impl0z | 'hi |
| 21:30.41 | Impl0z | i have a problem with X on Debian |
| 21:30.46 | Usiu | deadcat, but my router want Radius server IP when I try to set WEP |
| 21:30.50 | marccd | Impl0z: really? |
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| 21:30.56 | deadcat | Usiu: wow |
| 21:30.58 | Usiu | deadcat, I dont know why... |
| 21:31.08 | Impl0z | when I install it (with apt-get : apt-get install x-window-system-core) |
| 21:31.23 | Impl0z | i have a error message |
| 21:31.33 | Impl0z | and it doesn't run |
| 21:31.40 | marccd | amazing |
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| 21:31.51 | gravity | Impl0z: What error? |
| 21:31.56 | Impl0z | and i don't see what's the problem |
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| 21:32.06 | Impl0z | i don't know exatly the error |
| 21:32.16 | Impl0z | but i do that : |
| 21:32.22 | _rene_ | edt: apt-get -b source perl |
| 21:32.23 | Impl0z | apt-get install fluxbox |
| 21:32.23 | gravity | ugh |
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| 21:32.34 | Impl0z | apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 21:32.35 | ILF_ | anyone have problems with todays unstable linux-image-2.6.15 and udev saing "exec of program failed" on boot? |
| 21:32.36 | Impl0z | and after |
| 21:32.40 | Impl0z | i do : startx |
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| 21:32.46 | Impl0z | and i have an error |
| 21:32.48 | gravity | Impl0z: Without the error, we can't help. Can you post your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (or /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you have it) to a paster? |
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| 21:33.25 | Impl0z | i don't use linux for the moment because i have not GUI |
| 21:33.26 | Impl0z | :/ |
| 21:33.43 | ILF_ | Impl0z: do what gravity said |
| 21:34.00 | gravity | Impl0z: Well you need to give us that log file or we can't help you |
| 21:34.12 | gravity | Impl0z: Telling us that there's an error doesn't mean much of anything |
| 21:34.18 | Impl0z | i can't see my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 for the moment |
| 21:34.22 | pipeline | ILF_: That sounds like you had massive filesystem corruption. |
| 21:34.23 | xor__ | Hi! Anyone knows some good tools to convert postscript? E. g. converting a file in a way that there are two A4 pages on one (resized to A5) |
| 21:34.33 | gravity | Impl0z: Sorry dude |
| 21:34.36 | pipeline | ILF_: I had that problem the other day. I remedied it by purging and reinstalling udev. |
| 21:34.36 | Harley^ | Impl0z, Paste your file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to http://pastebin.ca and tell this channel what the URL is for the paste page. |
| 21:34.38 | gravity | Impl0z: You're on your own then |
| 21:34.42 | Impl0z | it's not grav |
| 21:35.01 | Impl0z | thanks ;) |
| 21:35.03 | edt | Imp10z download a knoppix cd and boot that so you can see your linux fs |
| 21:35.20 | gnufan | xor__: that is called "2 up" in printing speak -- there are some good filters for this in Debian already... |
| 21:35.40 | Usiu | deadcat, take a look http://www.vollink.com/gary/deb_wifi.html |
| 21:35.54 | useruser | xor__: psnup |
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| 21:37.04 | moprilo | hi, where can i get a good sources list for debian ? (what do you guys suggest? woody sarge? ?) laptop wkstation |
| 21:37.08 | xor__ | useruser: yeah, perfect! That's exactly, what I need. Big thx! |
| 21:37.16 | Impl0z | i come back tomorrow whit the error ;) |
| 21:37.22 | Impl0z | lol |
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| 21:38.21 | chealer_ | moprilo: looks like two questions to me. why would you use woody? |
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| 21:38.46 | moprilo | don't know.. for newer versions.. |
| 21:38.47 | moprilo | ? |
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| 21:39.28 | moprilo | the thing is i tried to install madwifi.. and it needed an update on the kernel.. and now all is messed up |
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| 21:39.39 | ubuh-huntuh2 | anyone tried to get those free laptops on the net? does it really work? |
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| 21:39.49 | poli | Is there any package that I could use to make BSD labels (equiv. to BSD disklabel command)? |
| 21:39.50 | deadcat | they dont work |
| 21:40.13 | deadcat | but feel free to give your info to them |
| 21:40.22 | ubuh-huntuh2 | they asked me to enter email and get a laptop...too good to be true? |
| 21:40.38 | poli | ubuh-huntuh2: yeah right |
| 21:40.39 | chealer_ | moprilo: newer versions that what? which release do you run? |
| 21:40.41 | abrotman | ubuh-huntuh2: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:41.05 | chealer_ | ubuh-huntuh2: what are you talking about, what's your actual question and what does that have to do with Debian? |
| 21:41.10 | moprilo | chealer: sarge |
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| 21:41.33 | chealer_ | moprilo: do you realize that Woody is nearly 3 years older than Sarge |
| 21:41.33 | abrotman | !tell rleedrape about root |
| 21:41.42 | ubuh-huntuh2 | nothing i just thought debian people were brave and might have tried some like that |
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| 21:42.05 | moprilo | ohh.. :S.. didn't know i don't know why i though it was like the middle between stable and testing |
| 21:42.08 | abrotman | we are .. but we're not stupid |
| 21:42.22 | chealer_ | moprilo: there is no such middle |
| 21:42.27 | chealer_ | !tell moprilo about releases |
| 21:42.32 | Impl0z | have you ever been FreeBSD? |
| 21:42.33 | Gnea | ubuh-huntuh2: no, we're just "people", nobody's special or anything like that |
| 21:42.40 | Impl0z | use FreeBSD* |
| 21:42.44 | chealer_ | moprilo: understanding Debian release is very useful, so consider reading that |
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| 21:43.09 | chealer_ | Impl0z: who are you talking to? |
| 21:43.28 | Impl0z | i want to know what is the better : debian or freebsd |
| 21:43.51 | useruser | ! |
| 21:43.51 | Brian_L | use the debian/fbsd distro ;) |
| 21:43.53 | useruser | !better |
| 21:43.54 | dpkg | better is probably a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 21:44.08 | Brian_L | you cant compare debian to fbsd |
| 21:44.22 | Impl0z | why? there are two UNIX |
| 21:44.40 | ubuh-huntuh2 | you have to be brave to use "unstable" |
| 21:44.42 | poli | Impl0z: Two? Look again! |
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| 21:44.49 | ubuh-huntuh2 | VERY |
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| 21:45.16 | peppo | I'm having trouble installing at. says "at: Depends: mail-transport-agent". I don't want a mail-transport-agent |
| 21:45.27 | useruser | ubuh-huntuh2: i disagree, just don't install stuff with critical bugs, and don't be unlucky |
| 21:45.29 | Impl0z | ... |
| 21:45.36 | gravity | ubuh-huntuh2: Some of us like to simply have fun with our computers, and consider unstable to be fun. |
| 21:45.55 | gnufan | peppo: you have to have one - there is a mock MTA package I believe - but just go with Exim |
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| 21:46.35 | Brian_L | I built a small recording studio with slack 8.0 and its still runnning :) no problems. . |
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| 21:46.44 | ultraviolet16 | what package do I install to run java applications? |
| 21:46.54 | tarzeau | ultraviolet16: it doesn't exist |
| 21:46.58 | peppo | gnufan, why should I want another service running? :( |
| 21:47.02 | panthera | ultraviolet16: sun-j2se5.0-jre from debian-unofficial.org |
| 21:47.10 | chealer_ | !tell ultraviolet16 about java |
| 21:47.13 | ultraviolet16 | thanks.. |
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| 21:47.29 | gnufan | peppo: it doesn't have to be running, and it doesn't have to listen to the outside world even if it is listening - but presumably it is depended on for a reason |
| 21:48.03 | ultraviolet16 | can't i install a different jvm? |
| 21:48.11 | ultraviolet16 | like cacoa or something? |
| 21:48.19 | tarzeau | !MURDER ultraviolet16 |
| 21:48.23 | panthera | cacoa is not a jvw |
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| 21:48.26 | tarzeau | ultraviolet16: cocoa isn't java. |
| 21:48.30 | tarzeau | !cacoa |
| 21:48.59 | ultraviolet16 | no entry for that.. |
| 21:49.07 | tarzeau | !mosh |
| 21:49.09 | ultraviolet16 | that's the gui library for macs isn't it? |
| 21:49.18 | ultraviolet16 | os x |
| 21:49.36 | tarzeau | ultraviolet16: it's foundationkit and applicationkit renamed, from openstep / nextstep |
| 21:49.47 | tarzeau | ultraviolet16: that you can also get under the name gnustep as free software |
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| 21:50.15 | tarzeau | cocoa is not only a gui library |
| 21:50.20 | tarzeau | it's quite a bit more |
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| 21:50.54 | gravity | It's also a yummy dessert |
| 21:51.57 | ultraviolet16 | wait.. but i'm reading about the java code not being free.. i'm not a java programmer, in fact i hate java. I just want to run a simple java program I download it. I got the source.. |
| 21:52.18 | ultraviolet16 | i'm just wondering if I have to install a virtual machine to read the code |
| 21:52.19 | xrgtn_ | JFYI: losetup -o works with big offset under different 2.4 kernel, sarge, different host. Dunno what's the reason for the problem on localhost... |
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| 21:52.57 | tull | hello |
| 21:53.22 | jfs | is there any tool that can display images from within my x terminal? like w3m-img or links2 can do it? whereas w3m doesn't need to open a new window on the x display, i'd like sth. like w3m that displays the image within the terminal, perhaps stretched? any ideas? |
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| 21:53.47 | gnufan | If mouse is detected by psmouse on boot, input: ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse on isa0060/serio1, what device file would you expect.. filling in xorg.conf and it is fighting back -- can't I put auto somewhere in here? |
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| 21:54.26 | ultraviolet16 | can't i use kaffe? |
| 21:54.31 | streuner | gnufan: what kind of mouse do you have? |
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| 21:55.11 | lindi- | ultraviolet16: what program are you trying to run? |
| 21:55.15 | gnufan | streuner: Don't understand it is an IMPS/2 Generic Wheel mouse -- that much is right |
| 21:55.35 | xrgtn_ | gnufan: /dev/psaux? |
| 21:55.36 | gnufan | streuner: In a PS/2 port |
| 21:55.50 | streuner | gnufan: and you mouse is a PS/2 mouse? |
| 21:56.19 | hans0lo | Does anyone know how to setup X to use the framebuffer device? |
| 21:56.27 | tull | general question. when are newer kernels than 2.6.8 be available to the testing debian? |
| 21:56.44 | streuner | tull: there are already |
| 21:56.54 | streuner | !drxx hans0lo |
| 21:56.54 | dpkg | hans0lo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:57.05 | gnufan | streuner: yes - Ps/2 mouse.... |
| 21:57.15 | ultraviolet16 | lindi-: azureus |
| 21:57.18 | streuner | gnufan: 2.6.x kernel? |
| 21:57.20 | xrgtn_ | gnufan: you can use gpm and /dev/gpmdata in xorg.conf. Much faster to debug IMHO. YMMV |
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| 21:57.30 | tull | streuner thanks. I'll check. |
| 21:57.38 | lindi- | ultraviolet16: afaik it just recently started to work with free software |
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| 21:57.54 | lindi- | ultraviolet16: something like two weeks ago it entered fedora extras afaik |
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| 21:58.01 | ultraviolet16 | hmm.. |
| 21:58.07 | ultraviolet16 | thanks. i'm going to look in backports |
| 21:58.14 | lindi- | ultraviolet16: it's not in backports :) |
| 21:58.43 | ultraviolet16 | ghey.. |
| 21:58.56 | ultraviolet16 | so if I get the source then I should be able to compile it? |
| 21:59.07 | lindi- | ultraviolet16: a sec |
| 21:59.12 | ultraviolet16 | sure, thanks |
| 21:59.16 | streuner | !listvals mousedev |
| 21:59.19 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'mousedev' by value (5): xwontstart ;; usbmouse ;; two mice ;; 2.6 ps2 ;; 2.6 mouse. |
| 21:59.28 | streuner | !2.6 mouse |
| 21:59.28 | dpkg | from memory, 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules and choose mouse device /dev/input/mice and mouse type ExplorerPS/2. See http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
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| 21:59.46 | streuner | gnufan: ^^^ |
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| 22:00.26 | lindi- | ultraviolet16: http://spindazzle.org/green/ |
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| 22:01.03 | ultraviolet16 | thanks lindi- |
| 22:01.13 | xor__ | I checked out psnup -2 myfile.ps newfile.ps and it resizes, but the two pages are now on A6 in the left bottom quarter of the new A4 page. Should it be like that? |
| 22:01.24 | lindi- | ultraviolet16: i don't know how to access fedora extras though |
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| 22:02.21 | xor__ | I checked out some arguments, but won't help |
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| 22:03.13 | ultraviolet16 | yeah i think i'm just going to find another torrent client. |
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| 22:04.11 | coruptkid | good evening. Can anyone tell me if there's any way to stop dselect automaticaly updating all files or is it only meant to be used for OS setup?? |
| 22:04.12 | lindi- | ultraviolet16: http://fedoraproject.org/extras/development/i386//azureus-2.3.0.7-2.20060207cvs.fc5.i386.rpm is the binary package |
| 22:04.26 | lindi- | ultraviolet16: i'll check if it runs on debian |
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| 22:04.37 | ultraviolet16 | from there i can use alien to convert to .deb.. |
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| 22:04.47 | ultraviolet16 | but I think i still need java to run that.. |
| 22:04.49 | salvouy | hello |
| 22:05.17 | lindi- | ultraviolet16: no no |
| 22:05.34 | poli | ultraviolet16: Yes, you do. There is azureus .deb also. |
| 22:05.50 | lindi- | poli: are you sure? it's compiled with GCJ |
| 22:06.06 | poli | lindi-: The .deb one I am sure needs java. |
| 22:06.09 | pinecone | I have downloaded gpm and installed it. I run it but nothing happens when I open a file and try to do anything. Ideas? |
| 22:06.14 | salvouy | does anyone has Unreal Tournament 2004 under Linux? |
| 22:06.19 | delire | coruptkid: personally.. would avoid dselect. apt and dselect tend toward bad places when used side by side.. |
| 22:06.19 | lindi- | poli: but this is different |
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| 22:06.31 | delire | salvouy: this is not a warez channel |
| 22:06.38 | dbrock | so I've installed linux-image-2.6.15-1-686, and when I try to boot it most everything fails due to not being able to write to certain files or not being able to run certain programs, failing with ``Permission denied'' errors. Does that ring a bell with anyone? |
| 22:06.41 | usr13 | can someone tell me what lilo error 99 99 99 .... means? |
| 22:07.01 | abrotman | google can |
| 22:07.04 | vickybot | http://www.cureautismnow.org/ |
| 22:07.05 | tull | streuner I couldn't find anything about it. can you tell me which version of the kernel(above 2.6.8) would be considered stable enough to fit the "testing" distro? |
| 22:07.17 | dbrock | it's like the initscripts aren't being run as root |
| 22:07.20 | salvouy | delire so? am not asking anything but if anyone has it working properly |
| 22:07.29 | dvs | tull: testing is onto 2.6.15 now |
| 22:07.35 | streuner | tull: parse error |
| 22:07.56 | delire | salvouy: your question was very ambiguous. |
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| 22:08.25 | delire | salvouy: "does anyone has Unreal Tournament 2004 working under Linux?" would have been better.. |
| 22:08.25 | tull | dvs ok. thks |
| 22:08.43 | dvs | tull: you're welcome |
| 22:09.49 | salvouy | sorry my english is not good |
| 22:10.07 | delire | salvouy: hehe no problem.. i misread you. |
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| 22:10.31 | xor__ | got it, my error ^^ |
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| 22:10.38 | coruptkid | can anyone tell me if you would use dselect or apt to install postfix?? |
| 22:10.46 | delire | salvouy: every now and again we get people coming in and asking for copies of games.. |
| 22:10.58 | deadcat | coruptkid: man apt-get |
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| 22:11.33 | delire | salvouy: i have had UT2004 working well under linux in the past, but not any machine i have around me now. |
| 22:11.35 | coruptkid | dedcat: tnx, i know how to use apt, but my postfix install is broken, and i was wondering if i should use dselect to fix it or apt's commands? |
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| 22:11.59 | Supaplex | coruptkid: or aptitude :) (I always use the cli interface) |
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| 22:12.18 | yeik2 | hola |
| 22:12.29 | nookie | Something's accessing my hd all the time, and I can't figure which process. Is there any way to trace it? |
| 22:12.38 | salvouy | i have some trouble trying to install it, seems after a while doesn't recognize the disc |
| 22:12.39 | delire | coruptkid: maybe purge postfix and reinstall it? was it broken from the moment of install? |
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| 22:13.03 | yeik2 | alguien podria echarme una mano por donde encontrar el controlador de la epson dx3800? |
| 22:13.06 | chealer_ | nookie: which release do you use? |
| 22:13.06 | Supaplex | !es |
| 22:13.06 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:13.08 | vickybot | Supaplex: Error: "es" is not a valid command. |
| 22:13.17 | coruptkid | dlire: I've had it working for ages, but i tried to remove everything to start installing SASL but the uninstall reinstall came up with errors |
| 22:13.24 | delire | salvouy: maybe the disc is bad.. this happens. try making a copy of the disc, as a CD Image. |
| 22:13.30 | nookie | chealer_: based on debian -- ubuntu. On #ubuntu no1 can help me. |
| 22:13.32 | yeik2 | ok , thks |
| 22:13.40 | gravity | !they don't know |
| 22:13.41 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 22:13.43 | vickybot | gravity: Error: "they" is not a valid command. |
| 22:13.44 | delire | coruptkid: have you tried installing it with aptitude? |
| 22:13.44 | salvouy | i'll try |
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| 22:13.50 | gravity | FUCK |
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| 22:14.16 | coruptkid | delire: ye i think i'll need to purge it as someone suggested! |
| 22:14.22 | salvouy | i have recently bought a Video Card, ATI 9600XT do i need to install drivers? |
| 22:14.27 | chealer_ | nookie: this is a Debian support channel. the only thing we can do for you is feeling sorry. hope that helps :) |
| 22:14.28 | delire_away | coruptkid: cool |
| 22:14.41 | webfreak | anyone know what service uses ports 32770 and 31771? (sometimes-rpc3 and sometimes-rpc5) |
| 22:14.43 | coruptkid | tnx |
| 22:14.54 | davor | hey guys |
| 22:15.01 | webfreak | google didn't turn up anything useful |
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| 22:15.27 | streuner | webfreak: grep 32770 /etc/services |
| 22:15.30 | nookie | chealer_: It's kind of more quiet, and it's not so laggy. Bloke, it worked! Thx alot. |
| 22:15.38 | justin__ | how can i create /dev/hdi ? |
| 22:15.48 | webfreak | streuner: nothing |
| 22:15.50 | davor | im having some trouble with my new mouse. it works fine under windows, but when i use it with xorg it "jumps" down 2-3cm every now and then, after i have moved it a while. i think that this has to do with how often the systemn polls the mouse. any ideas of what i can do? |
| 22:15.53 | justin__ | there is a drive there in the dmesg but no block device in /dev |
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| 22:16.17 | chealer_ | nookie: it's a pleasure :) |
| 22:16.27 | davor | it's a laser mouse |
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| 22:16.37 | davor | and i need to change the resolution |
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| 22:17.12 | jfs | why is forwarding X11 via ssh so slow? e.g. i forward a display using a 1000/128 kbit/s adsl, and remotely type 'display smallimage.png', it takes about a minute to load a 100K image, the remote side is a 100mbit line and my adsl line has no load. any ideas? |
| 22:17.33 | webfreak | streuner: found it, it's hplip |
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| 22:18.05 | streuner | webfreak: look into /usr/share/nmap/nmap-services |
| 22:18.08 | poli | jfs: images are supposed to do very badly on this kind of X forwarding, but I can't tell if that badly. |
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| 22:18.25 | streuner | webfreak: /usr/share/nmap/nmap-services is bigger than services... |
| 22:19.37 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# grep 32770 /usr/share/nmap/nmap-services |
| 22:19.37 | streuner | sometimes-rpc3 32770/tcp # Sometimes an RPC port on my Solaris box |
| 22:19.43 | Silensius | is there a debian usb version pls |
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| 22:19.54 | justin | !+pls |
| 22:19.54 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 22:20.09 | webfreak | streuner: yes, i know about grepping services ;) |
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| 22:20.22 | T4UrUs|Meio_Inte | ...OpA, Tô Na áREa... SeGurô eH PeNalTy.. (E esSa VaI BatEr nA TrAVe e eNtRaR!) ;) |
| 22:20.22 | webfreak | but that didn't tell me anything i needed to know this time |
| 22:20.33 | T4UrUs|Meio_Inte | agurizada |
| 22:20.33 | Supaplex | !br |
| 22:20.33 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 22:20.35 | tull | dvs How do I update my 2.6.8? just apt-get the kernel-image right? or maybe build it myself from source? |
| 22:20.35 | T4UrUs|Meio_Inte | kd kd? |
| 22:20.36 | justin | !tell webfreak about open ports |
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| 22:20.41 | justin__ | anyone know how to get /dev/hdi to show up? in the dmesg it shows my drive and in phpsysinfo it knows its there, but i cant cfdisk it cause there is no /dev/hdi |
| 22:20.43 | ke6isf | What is "kd kd"? |
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| 22:20.55 | dvs | tull: Either way. Getting a package is easier. |
| 22:21.04 | streuner | webfreak: if you have hplip installed, netstat -plunt | grep port would tell you the same... |
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| 22:21.22 | dvs | tull: By the way, after 2.6.12 it's called linux-image. |
| 22:21.34 | webfreak | streuner: yeah, thanks |
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| 22:21.50 | ke6isf | tull: Are you running Sarge? |
| 22:22.11 | streuner | webfreak: :-) |
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| 22:22.13 | tull | dvs eheh thanks. you just saved me a question. i could find any 2.6.15 with the kernel-image package |
| 22:22.20 | streuner | fuck |
| 22:22.29 | dvs | tull: You're welcome |
| 22:22.33 | dvs | streuner: no thanks |
| 22:22.38 | streuner | (kingsley correction...) |
| 22:22.46 | streuner | ;-) |
| 22:22.48 | Agraja | how much disk space does a minimal base install take these days? |
| 22:22.54 | tull | ke6isf yes. the testing version. Etch is that the name? |
| 22:23.04 | ke6isf | tull: Yes, it would be etch. |
| 22:23.34 | sylvisj | Agraja: A decent ammount. Maybe a gig max. |
| 22:23.41 | ke6isf | tull: Though that *is* kind of a roundabout way of answering the original question. :-) |
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| 22:23.52 | justin | uh, a minimal install is about 125M |
| 22:23.59 | Klohunt | hello |
| 22:23.59 | sylvisj | justin: Bleh, was thinking net |
| 22:24.01 | ke6isf | Agraja: Minimal is... what justin said. |
| 22:24.09 | sylvisj | With KDE :( |
| 22:24.16 | tull | ke6isf :) sorry i wasnt sure. |
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| 22:24.23 | ke6isf | tull: No worries. |
| 22:24.32 | Agraja | sylvisj: my install just seemed to be a gig, thought I must have done something wrong... I used to run debian on 512 meg disk |
| 22:24.46 | streuner | dvs: you're welcome ;-) |
| 22:24.48 | Klohunt | Does anybody know if I can install debian iwth an Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX graphics card???? |
| 22:24.56 | abrotman | sure .. why not |
| 22:24.57 | streuner | sure |
| 22:24.58 | ke6isf | !nvidia |
| 22:24.58 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 22:24.58 | dvs | heh |
| 22:25.11 | streuner | dvs: </joke> |
| 22:25.13 | Agraja | sylvisj: can you cut that down alot without too much hassle or is it easier to go learn how damn small linux likes to do things? |
| 22:25.19 | ke6isf | Klohunt: ^^ |
| 22:25.23 | Klohunt | I have like 14 linux CD's |
| 22:25.28 | nvz | Agraja: base install is what you get when you first boot from your hd. before you install anything else |
| 22:25.41 | ke6isf | Klohunt: You just burned all 14 of the CDs?! |
| 22:25.51 | streuner | it seems so |
| 22:25.53 | Klohunt | yes |
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| 22:26.00 | Klohunt | was there an easier way? |
| 22:26.04 | sylvisj | Agraja: Minimal install is about 125mb. If you want KDE or Gnome, you're adding about 500mb. |
| 22:26.10 | ke6isf | Klohunt: Yep. |
| 22:26.11 | ke6isf | !tell Klohunt -about netinst |
| 22:26.15 | Agraja | nvz: right, how can that be a gig? or is du -H . in / not a safe way to determine disk usage? |
| 22:26.51 | Agraja | nvz: cause I just installed from a the installation CD iso which is only like 120 Meg |
| 22:26.54 | justin | Agraja: df -h / |
| 22:26.54 | Klohunt | kk thanks |
| 22:27.04 | justin | Agraja: ran apt-get clean? |
| 22:27.05 | ice_1963 | who is the kernel hacker? |
| 22:27.07 | sylvisj | Klohunt: Holy shit dude, tiene cojones |
| 22:27.10 | HazyNRG | hi, do you know a pastebin package? |
| 22:27.15 | nvz | Agraja: you selected nothing in tasksel or aptitude or anything? and you removed all the debs? |
| 22:27.35 | Klohunt | lol |
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| 22:28.11 | ke6isf | HazyNRG: What are you trying to do? |
| 22:28.12 | nvz | Agraja: do you have maybe a large swapfile on that partition? |
| 22:28.22 | Agraja | nvz: don't know about removing the debs, but no downloading |
| 22:28.55 | Agraja | nvz: have one gig swap partition but that is seperate |
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| 22:28.57 | Klohunt | I was asking about the Nvidia 7800 GTX because someone told me tht xfree86 didnt suport it |
| 22:29.15 | martalli | netinst is very easy. I have eevn installed from floppies at one point. Honestly, debian is extremely easy to install...total time is longer than some other distros, but the time from the user's perspective is nothing more |
| 22:30.09 | zebalin7 | On some debian-based distros when a kde application needs root, it has a pop up for the password and it dims the background screen. How do they do that. My etch does not do it and I was curious. |
| 22:30.20 | abrotman | the nv driver doesn't .. the nvidia driver should |
| 22:30.33 | abrotman | zebalin7: ask #debian-kde |
| 22:30.41 | jfs | poli: yes it was a real bad idea.. even when i move the image just for one pixel the complete window needs to be reloaded from remote, so it has to reload the complete image over and over again if i even just press a key |
| 22:31.00 | zebalin7 | abrotman: is there such a group? On freenode? Hmmm. Didn't know that. |
| 22:31.04 | HazyNRG | ke6isf: i'd like to install my personnal pastebin on a sarge vserver |
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| 22:31.27 | ke6isf | HazyNRG: I don't see anything in the repos. Tried freshmeat? |
| 22:31.31 | zebalin7 | abrotman: thanks. I'm there now. |
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| 22:32.20 | Agraja | laugh well I am just an idiot is the problem... its so damn easy to install debian and ssh and everything else these days that you forget you've done it and ending up df -h / ing on your first box |
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| 22:33.02 | jbroome | df -h just tells you disk space free, right? |
| 22:33.24 | jbroome | unless you meant rm -f |
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| 22:33.59 | Agraja | jbroome: df -h /some_dir tells free space on the device mounted at /some_dir |
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| 22:34.17 | Agraja | jbroome: tells what is used as well though |
| 22:35.28 | nvz | damn other than my /srv and my /home I got like 21G used right now. I need to look into that |
| 22:36.04 | Klohunt | is debian > ubuntu |
| 22:36.05 | HazyNRG | ke6isf: i found 2 projects but i'd like a package |
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| 22:36.23 | abrotman | nvz: i blame the logs! |
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| 22:36.36 | prodope | Klohunt: you've asked in quite the biased place |
| 22:36.37 | ke6isf | HazyNRG: Can't seem to help you there - like I said, I can't find anything in the way of packages. You're on your own, I guess. |
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| 22:36.43 | prodope | Klohunt: why not see for yourself? |
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| 22:37.03 | Klohunt | lol prodope, I know, but the thing is I just read that it is very similar to debian |
| 22:37.08 | abrotman | prodope: /nick legalize_pot ? |
| 22:37.18 | abrotman | Klohunt: we can't tell you .. try for yourself |
| 22:37.18 | prodope | abrotman: no, /nick pipe dope |
| 22:37.20 | ke6isf | Klohunt: Well, it's not Debian. |
| 22:37.23 | nvz | abrotman: hmm I doubt that |
| 22:37.31 | prodope | abrotman: pipe putty, for gas/water lines |
| 22:37.32 | gravity | Klohunt: It's just different. |
| 22:37.32 | nvz | abrotman: got 5 gb of apt cache |
| 22:37.37 | abrotman | nvz: ls | xargs du -sk |
| 22:37.53 | gravity | Klohunt: It's better for some people, worse for others. That's why it's a good idea to make up your own mind. |
| 22:37.55 | abrotman | erm ... ls / | xargs du -sk |
| 22:37.58 | HazyNRG | ke6isf: ok, thanks |
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| 22:38.26 | Klohunt | Ubuntu is a free, open source operating system that starts with the breadth of Debian |
| 22:38.28 | wajig|sarge | file alteration monitor (famd) is only needed vor network services, ain' it? so it can be shut down if not needed without affecting the local system, right? |
| 22:38.44 | abrotman | Klohunt: try them both .. |
| 22:38.49 | ke6isf | Klohunt: Yes, we know what it is. |
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| 22:38.57 | azeem | wajig|sarge: no, it is not for networking |
| 22:39.11 | wajig|sarge | azeem, ?! |
| 22:39.12 | Brice | is awstats the recommended stats package for debian? (sarge) |
| 22:39.14 | azeem | wajig|sarge: it tells applications (like your file browser) whether files have changed |
| 22:39.27 | Klohunt | abrotman: no thank you, I would rather just ask :P |
| 22:39.34 | wajig|sarge | azeem... stat? |
| 22:39.37 | gravity | Brice: What kind of stats? |
| 22:39.41 | azeem | wajig|sarge: ? |
| 22:39.42 | abrotman | Klohunt: in #debian .. we'll tell you debian is better |
| 22:39.46 | dvs | Klohunt: Debian is the best distro you'll ever try!!!!!!! |
| 22:40.01 | Brice | grandma, webserver logs |
| 22:40.02 | ke6isf | Klohunt: And as such, I'm sure that people in #ubuntu will tell you that Ubuntu is better than Debian. |
| 22:40.06 | gravity | Klohunt: I think you should go try ygdrassil |
| 22:40.10 | Brice | gravity, sorry.. webserver logs ;) |
| 22:40.11 | dvs | doh! |
| 22:40.15 | ke6isf | gravity: Bwahahaha! |
| 22:40.16 | gravity | Brice: Ah, that I don't know |
| 22:40.25 | wajig|sarge | azeem, i thougt it only monitors files that are looked up via stat |
| 22:40.33 | azeem | wajig|sarge: no |
| 22:40.33 | Klohunt | Should I have assumed that just becuse you are in an irc channel you are a die hard fan? |
| 22:40.45 | ke6isf | Klohunt: Yes. |
| 22:40.48 | gravity | dvs: :-) |
| 22:40.58 | Klohunt | uhh |
| 22:41.17 | wajig|sarge | azeem, and i wonder why man fam tells me it's launcht via inetd. so how can it be design for local machines? |
| 22:41.22 | dvs | Darn. Only 17 of 38 floppies |
| 22:41.22 | abrotman | !tell dvs about sarge bf |
| 22:41.24 | ke6isf | Klohunt: Welcome to #debian. We support Debian. We don't support anything else, really. You figure it out. |
| 22:41.37 | wajig|sarge | launched |
| 22:41.52 | Klohunt | are you kidding? grow up and act mature. I was asking a simple question. |
| 22:41.56 | Klohunt | if you dont want to answer, fine |
| 22:42.04 | Klohunt | but dont act so damn constipated. |
| 22:42.11 | azeem | wajig|sarge: not sure why that is |
| 22:42.12 | ke6isf | Klohunt: No, I am not kidding, and I'm being perfectly mature and regular, thankyouverymuch. |
| 22:42.15 | abrotman | we did answer |
| 22:42.20 | gravity | Klohunt: Seriously, just go try them and see. Asking if Debian > Ubuntu is pure trolling |
| 22:42.25 | azeem | wajig|sarge: maybe it's a different fam? |
| 22:42.35 | Klohunt | no, it is a matter of opinion |
| 22:42.38 | wajig|sarge | azeem, i don' t think so |
| 22:42.50 | azeem | Klohunt: it is off topic here |
| 22:42.51 | ke6isf | Klohunt: OK, fuck it, fine. Debian is a piece of shit of a Linux distro, and I'm switching to OS-fucking-2. |
| 22:42.57 | dvs | Klohunt: then what did you expect the opinions in the #debina channel to be? |
| 22:42.57 | azeem | Klohunt: please |
| 22:43.01 | azeem | eh |
| 22:43.06 | azeem | ke6isf: please chill |
| 22:43.11 | ke6isf | Klohunt: Is that the answer you want? |
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| 22:43.24 | abrotman | people from PA are so weird |
| 22:43.28 | Klohunt | ke6isf, what the hell? Did I ever say anything bad about Debian? That is why I am here |
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| 22:43.36 | dvs | abrotman: yeah, I know! ;-) |
| 22:43.44 | abrotman | i mean .. especially the whackjobs from around philly |
| 22:43.46 | abrotman | GO IGGLES! |
| 22:43.49 | Klohunt | I was just contemplating trying Ubuntu, and wanted to know how good it was compared to debian |
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| 22:44.00 | Klohunt | no need to have a shitfir |
| 22:44.02 | ke6isf | Klohunt: And we told you: you aren't going to get a straight answer in here. |
| 22:44.04 | Klohunt | shitfit* |
| 22:44.06 | gravity | It's very good, but it's just different. |
| 22:44.11 | abrotman | Klohunt: depends on your usages .... you need to try them both |
| 22:44.52 | gravity | YEAH! FEDORA IS THE BOMB! or whatever |
| 22:45.04 | gravity | (not to pick on fedora) |
| 22:45.18 | gravity | It's kinda contrary to the whole free software thing |
| 22:45.18 | abrotman | gravity: because we're honest .. noone in #fedora could truthfully say such a thing |
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| 22:45.48 | fmf | vao-se foder todos |
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| 22:45.59 | Florian-T | hi all |
| 22:46.07 | azeem | wajig|sarge: I guess the inetd thing is because the client talks to famd over TCP/IP |
| 22:46.08 | tax0n | hi Florian-T |
| 22:46.11 | azeem | dunno really |
| 22:46.12 | Florian-T | having little trouble with irda |
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| 22:46.27 | Florian-T | irda should be set up correctly |
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| 22:46.40 | ChrisW | wooo |
| 22:46.44 | Florian-T | but i have no ide how to set up a printer |
| 22:46.50 | ChrisW | got new machine up and running, installing debian now :-D |
| 22:46.54 | tax0n | I just blanked a cd-rw with cdrecord. When my comp automounts the disc, it doesn't recognise anything there. Do I need to format it with something first? |
| 22:47.17 | ChrisW | ext3 the best fs to use? |
| 22:47.20 | abrotman | it's uhm .. blank ? |
| 22:47.25 | azeem | ChrisW: probably |
| 22:47.31 | ChrisW | cool |
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| 22:47.42 | abrotman | !tell ufo about root |
| 22:47.47 | tax0n | hehe |
| 22:48.00 | xrgtn_ | oops, losetup-2.11n just looks like it works with big offsets. It just cuts them to 2G-1 (2147483647) |
| 22:48.01 | dvs | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed |
| 22:48.05 | tax0n | abrotman, see whole sentence |
| 22:48.10 | dvs | (lazy debhelper) |
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| 22:48.36 | ChrisW | wow, I can't believe this is the first time I ever used a live cd! |
| 22:48.37 | ke6isf | dvs: I thought that the ROOOOOT thing was turned off. |
| 22:48.52 | abrotman | tax0n: i did |
| 22:48.52 | dvs | ke6isf: It is. That why we have to do it. ;-) |
| 22:49.20 | Florian-T | anyone who can help me with irda? |
| 22:50.04 | wajig|sarge | azeem, okay, i' ll check it out. just restarted famd |
| 22:50.10 | tax0n | abrotman, okay - so, you know it's blank. You know I know it's blank. Regarding what to do next, any suggestions? |
| 22:50.13 | nima | whats up, Florian-T? |
| 22:50.21 | ke6isf | Florian-T: I have no experience, but have you tried irda-tools? |
| 22:50.21 | abrotman | tax0n: put something on it ? |
| 22:50.25 | vali | hello |
| 22:50.27 | Florian-T | nima: i want to print via irda |
| 22:50.38 | ke6isf | Florian-T: In fact, 'apt-cache search irda' |
| 22:50.52 | Florian-T | irda works already |
| 22:50.57 | tax0n | okay - sigh! |
| 22:51.00 | nvz | is there a command in vi to sort? |
| 22:51.01 | vali | where can I found some docs about making a kernel + initrd in the "debian way"? |
| 22:51.09 | Florian-T | but i dunno how to setup a printer for it |
| 22:51.16 | nvz | vali: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 22:51.22 | nvz | vali: man make-kpkg |
| 22:51.25 | tax0n | what does it need on it - an empty isofs? |
| 22:52.02 | nvz | tax0n: you cant randomly access a cd-rw |
| 22:52.03 | vali | nvz, yes, i know how to use... but i didnt find "how things work" |
| 22:52.04 | tax0n | before I put something on it, do I need to format it with something? Can I just make an empty isofs of whatever and burn it on there? |
| 22:52.43 | nvz | vali: what? |
| 22:52.48 | nvz | vali: its magic |
| 22:52.57 | tax0n | nvz, pardon my ignorance. Why is that relevant? |
| 22:52.59 | vali | nvz, magic is boring :( |
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| 22:53.16 | Florian-T | tax0n: you would like to use it like packetwriting? |
| 22:53.46 | tax0n | Florian-T, multi-session for incremental backups. |
| 22:53.51 | vali | are there any other docs? is the manpage the only one? |
| 22:53.54 | gnufan | My bios has a feature that disabled the output to the screen -- damn yet another reason to open the case.... |
| 22:54.06 | nvz | vali: oh well, then do it all manually and read dozens of different docs |
| 22:54.25 | vali | i know how to do it manually... since 2.0.30 |
| 22:54.34 | Florian-T | tax0n: i don't know if that is a great idea to use a cd or DVD as backup media |
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| 22:55.00 | nvz | vali: make-kpkg takes you through it all patching source, configuring it, making packages for source, headers, docs, image..etc |
| 22:55.10 | vali | i allways recompile my kernel, but I never did a initrd or a kernel deb |
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| 22:55.22 | tax0n | Florian-T, for the time being, it's the best I've got. |
| 22:55.30 | nvz | vali: why do you need initrd? |
| 22:55.49 | Florian-T | tax0n: i know from Windows (blame on me :) ) that there you can make a packet writing media. some kind of UDF filesystem |
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| 22:56.14 | Florian-T | tax0n: so the media will be used like a hard disc |
| 22:56.16 | vali | nvz, i need to create a kernel to a server, but i will not be its admin |
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| 22:56.51 | nvz | vali: maybe you should stick to what you are used to then? |
| 22:56.51 | tax0n | Florian-T, I'm working with cdrecord and mkisofs and k3b. I know a little bit, but am snagged up on this 'blank' disk thing. |
| 22:56.58 | ChrisW | what do I need to mount up drives off a windows machine? |
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| 22:57.29 | tax0n | I previously had 'empty disks' which k3b recognised, but this disk is blancked and not recognised as empty. |
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| 22:57.53 | vali | nvz, err... thats a "windows" answer: ¿why change? stick whit things you are used to :P |
| 22:57.55 | vali | XD |
| 22:58.03 | darkhunter | hi, my problem is Rhythmbox 0.9.3.1 - unstable -... Songs are very slowly changes; slowly responsive... can i help me, please? |
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| 22:58.08 | toothpick | ftp.debian.org is down? Can someone confirm that source is bad at the moment? |
| 22:58.18 | Florian-T | tax0n: hmm, maybe i will not be very helpful with that, but just try to create a nearly empty session. put a single maybe empty fil on the disc |
| 22:58.39 | tax0n | yep - I will try. I know this is off-topic for this channel. |
| 22:59.06 | vali | i only need to make a kernel .deb as similar as possible with the official ones |
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| 22:59.10 | abrotman | toothpick: it's just you |
| 22:59.21 | tax0n | unfortunately, in ##linux, the girls are having a slapfest about some stupid issue regarding a newbie asking a dumb question. |
| 22:59.38 | tax0n | bunch of beatches. |
| 22:59.47 | azeem | tax0n: right |
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| 22:59.56 | azeem | tax0n: we don't care |
| 23:00.12 | oskie | there's girls over there? i'm outta here! |
| 23:00.16 | tax0n | azeem, I'm happy for you. |
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| 23:00.38 | vali | oskie, hahaha |
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| 23:01.30 | darkhunter | my problem is Rhythmbox 0.9.3.1 - unstable -... Songs are very slowly changes; slowly responsive... can i help me, please? |
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| 23:03.14 | mikeX | what package should I install for 'termwrap'? |
| 23:03.49 | darkhunter | Rhythmbox 0.9.3.1-1 - unstable -... Songs are very slowly changes; slowly responsive... can i help me, please? |
| 23:04.44 | azeem | darkhunter: you're running unstable |
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| 23:05.07 | azeem | at least don't repeat questions |
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| 23:06.01 | googlah | hi people |
| 23:06.05 | darkhunter | i know thanks for solution |
| 23:06.15 | darkhunter | :( |
| 23:06.31 | googlah | anyone knows how to make the graphic to work in debian sarge? i've got a ati raedon 7500 |
| 23:06.41 | googlah | a fresh install didn't make it to work propertly |
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| 23:07.06 | prog | googlah, use generic driver called vesa, it will work in any cases |
| 23:07.17 | googlah | i'm on a laptop by the way |
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| 23:07.30 | googlah | prog, yeah, i did choose vesa at the installation |
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| 23:07.58 | prog | googlah, what is in XFree86.0.log ? |
| 23:07.59 | googlah | it works.. but i can only choose 800x600 |
| 23:08.00 | mikeX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:08.10 | mikeX | what package should I install to fix this? |
| 23:08.17 | mikeX | sid amd64 |
| 23:08.49 | abrotman | !tell mikeX about search |
| 23:08.49 | googlah | normally the graphiccard and display can use 1024x758, but right now it only works with 800x600 |
| 23:08.49 | googlah | that's the problem |
| 23:09.08 | mikeX | abrotman: I tried that, nothing came up |
| 23:09.20 | prog | mikex, apt-get install base-config |
| 23:09.35 | abrotman | !find bin/termwrap sid |
| 23:09.37 | mikeX | abrotman: oops sorry, didn't do dpkg -S |
| 23:09.41 | mikeX | thanks prog abrotman |
| 23:09.56 | trollboy | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7217211023 |
| 23:09.58 | trollboy | nuff said |
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| 23:10.32 | abrotman | iirc .. there is no more base-config in sid ? |
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| 23:11.35 | googlah | well, it seems nobody knows my problem |
| 23:12.00 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 23:12.00 | dpkg | privet |
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| 23:12.09 | abrotman | !find bin/termwrap sid |
| 23:12.17 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/termwrap' returned no results. |
| 23:12.28 | mikeX | hmm |
| 23:12.29 | googlah | right now, 800x600 as maximum, normally, 1024x758. fresh install and i chosed vesa at the installation |
| 23:12.39 | googlah | and i've got a ati radeon 7500 and i'm on a laptop |
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| 23:13.30 | abrotman | which driver are you using ? |
| 23:13.35 | Skuz | Hey guys, i just installed etch, and i was wondering if anyone knows how i can install fglrx module for 2.6.15 |
| 23:13.55 | abrotman | ask #ati |
| 23:13.57 | abrotman | !ati |
| 23:13.57 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 23:14.02 | Skuz | Thanks |
| 23:14.10 | Skuz | nice work btw :) last version i used was woody |
| 23:14.20 | Skuz | its gotten better |
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| 23:14.39 | abrotman | you think? :) |
| 23:14.41 | googlah | abrotman, i don't know which driver i'm using |
| 23:14.43 | Skuz | I do :P |
| 23:14.45 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/termwrap' returned no results. |
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| 23:16.14 | abrotman | googlah: you should |
| 23:16.19 | abrotman | mikeX: ^^ |
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| 23:17.01 | liran_ | uhmmm, can i smoothly resize an existing ext2/ext3/resifer-fs/xfs partition with partd? |
| 23:17.10 | mikeX | hm, perl seems to be kinda broken, maybe that's to blame |
| 23:17.54 | googlah | abrotman, i should? really? after three weeks using linux? and my first time using debian? nah, don't think so. :o) |
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| 23:18.22 | abrotman | googlah: you have to choose it when you setup X .. you should know which you're using :) |
| 23:18.23 | darkhunter | Rhythmbox 0.9.3.1-1 - unstable -... Songs are very slowly changes; slowly responsive... can i help me, please? |
| 23:19.07 | googlah | abrotman, no really. the only thing i remember i did was that i chosed vesa and i'm using lcd. |
| 23:19.28 | googlah | can i reconfigure x is some way through a command? |
| 23:19.36 | abrotman | googlah: vesa is your driver :) |
| 23:19.39 | abrotman | !drxx googlah |
| 23:19.39 | dpkg | googlah: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:19.47 | vali | googlah, the try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again |
| 23:20.05 | vali | s/the/then |
| 23:20.20 | abrotman | xorg isn't in sarge ... |
| 23:20.37 | vali | xserver-xfree86 then :P |
| 23:21.16 | abrotman | which is what the factoid says .. |
| 23:21.25 | vali | yep |
| 23:21.32 | googlah | ok.. thanks for the help. i will try to reconfigure xserver-xfree86, if that doesn't work, maybe xserver-xorg is the right choise? |
| 23:21.37 | abrotman | right |
| 23:21.56 | googlah | how to install it and make it as default? this is kinda new for me. |
| 23:22.02 | googlah | i appreciate all help. :o) |
| 23:22.12 | vali | your problem is probably the monitor refresh |
| 23:22.53 | googlah | vali, maybe, cuz it's on 73hz. (can't change it) and that decreases the resolution, doesn't it? |
| 23:22.59 | Skuz | what are some good third party sources for apt? |
| 23:23.18 | Usiu | skule, http://apt-get.org |
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| 23:23.29 | Usiu | skuz, http://apt-get.org |
| 23:23.45 | Skuz | <3 |
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| 23:24.13 | vali | is there something like get-edid for LCD? |
| 23:24.43 | abrotman | !backports |
| 23:24.43 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 23:26.55 | sim_ | Hi all |
| 23:26.55 | googlah | allrighty, made the reconfiguration. time to restart everything, hope it works. |
| 23:27.02 | googlah | i bet it fucked it all up. :P |
| 23:27.06 | sim_ | I have a question |
| 23:27.28 | sim_ | is there something more deep about C embedded in Debian? |
| 23:28.33 | vali | sim_, try uclibc |
| 23:29.17 | Skuz | If i have a GPG key for an apt source, how do i add it? |
| 23:30.07 | chealer_ | Skuz: man apt-key |
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| 23:30.19 | Skuz | or can i just turn off keys |
| 23:30.22 | googlah | dudes, i made it :D |
| 23:30.50 | vali | googlah, congrats |
| 23:30.57 | sim_ | thank you vali |
| 23:31.09 | sim_ | from synaptic? |
| 23:31.22 | googlah | the resolution is just fine now. but it's a bit slow.. but i don't care too much. |
| 23:31.28 | vali | sim_, uclibc, busybox, dietlibc, tinylogin... |
| 23:31.34 | googlah | vali, thank you. good evening from sweden by the way :O) |
| 23:31.41 | dbrock | Skuz: apt-key add key.asc |
| 23:32.13 | vali | sim_, i think there is a uclibc package... but i allways use the source tarball from their homepage |
| 23:32.26 | vali | googlah, evening from Spain :D |
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| 23:33.28 | googlah | :) |
| 23:33.34 | sim_ | okWell |
| 23:33.43 | fredrik | after some some unwise, or plain stupid keystrokes in dselect - I've gotten 24gb software waiting to get installed. the thing is, I don't want it. is there a way to neutralise this bomb before it blows me and my computer to pieces? |
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| 23:33.55 | Skuz | how can i check what version of xorg im running? |
| 23:34.00 | sim_ | I have to run some applications on one motorola VME card |
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| 23:34.19 | chealer_ | Skuz: X -version |
| 23:34.28 | vali | fredrik, from dselect? |
| 23:34.44 | Skuz | Oh wow i thought that testing came with xorg |
| 23:34.44 | fredrik | vali: wherever, I just want to get it fixed. =) |
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| 23:34.57 | googlah | vali, how's the weather there? i bet it's great :) |
| 23:35.17 | fredrik | vali: but myself and dselect is the source of mayhem. |
| 23:35.29 | vali | googlah, cold... but there should be colder, i guess |
| 23:35.33 | magyar | ahoy, i am looking for a foss utility for adaptec raid controllers |
| 23:35.43 | vali | fredrik, enter dselect, select install |
| 23:35.52 | vali | then hit "o" a couple of times |
| 23:36.14 | fredrik | vali: ok |
| 23:36.55 | vali | the first ones are "not installed" and "will be install" (i dont know how it appears in english, my dselect is spanish localiced) |
| 23:37.31 | Skuz | will the fglrx-driver install in sid? |
| 23:37.41 | vali | then select the second line: the one that reffers all packages behind it (the "not installed" ones) and hit the underscore |
| 23:37.42 | Skuz | or is the 9800 supported nicely in sid? |
| 23:38.02 | Skuz | because i apparenlty i dont meet the requirements in etch to install the fglrx |
| 23:38.28 | vali | you maybe have to resolve a couple of dependences |
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| 23:38.54 | zebalin7 | I run etch as my day-to-day workhorse. Thought for fun and darling I'd install sid to a empty partition. Is any major function (like hal, udev, etc.) really hosed at present? |
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| 23:39.07 | zebalin7 | (I' guess I'll find out!!!!!) |
| 23:39.12 | vali | fredrik, if you want to exit without commiting changes, hit "x" |
| 23:40.04 | Skuz | vali, heres the error i get : the following packages have unmet dependencies. fglrx-driver: depends: xserver-xorg (< 6.8.99) |
| 23:40.13 | zebalin7 | Is there a debian-sid group or someplace were people talk about broken stuff in sid? |
| 23:40.38 | vali | Skuz, install xserver-xorg (i guess you are using xserver-xfree86) |
| 23:40.50 | Skuz | i tried to install xorg it said it was allready installed |
| 23:40.53 | Skuz | :-\ |
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| 23:41.05 | Skuz | when i did X -version it says X window System Version 6.9.0 |
| 23:41.17 | vali | then your version is probably newer than the required one |
| 23:41.25 | Skuz | .. i realise that i can read... |
| 23:41.27 | Skuz | what im saying is |
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| 23:41.30 | mikeX | it appears that /etc/inittab is left in an inconsistent state, since base-config wasn't completed :( |
| 23:41.31 | Skuz | xorg is installed |
| 23:41.34 | Skuz | apt says it is |
| 23:41.35 | mikeX | any workarounds? |
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| 23:41.54 | Skuz | it says xserver-xorg is already the newest version |
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| 23:42.24 | vali | Skuz, dpkg says you need xserver-xorg with a version MINOR than 6.8.99 |
| 23:42.28 | Skuz | and when i edited my xorg config file to force 1600x1200 it worked |
| 23:42.30 | YGingras | hi, I suspect I have a faulty CPU (ie over heating damages). Anyone know how I could check it? cpuburn is not bat but it lacks logging, I think its mostly a cooling tester and not a cputester... |
| 23:42.35 | Skuz | wtf is MINOR |
| 23:42.48 | vali | lol, im sorry... LESS THAN |
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| 23:42.51 | Skuz | thats not even a word |
| 23:42.56 | Skuz | alright |
| 23:43.06 | Skuz | so i have to downgrade my xorg in order to use a real fuckin driver? |
| 23:43.07 | vali | i know, i know... i only speak english a bit, sorry |
| 23:43.12 | Skuz | its okay vali :) |
| 23:43.21 | Skuz | your english is very good, thats the first hint that you werent american |
| 23:43.24 | Skuz | or english |
| 23:43.31 | vali | thanks :D |
| 23:43.45 | YGingras | Skuz, is probably usian |
| 23:43.46 | YGingras | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.50 | Skuz | vali any ideas mate, I'm kinda annoyed here, my 9800 pro is running like shit |
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| 23:43.58 | Skuz | I'm hungarian |
| 23:44.05 | dererk | Good night all! |
| 23:44.09 | YGingras | oops! |
| 23:44.10 | digijohn | Skuz: Note that a lot of Americans can't write decent English... not even US residents |
| 23:44.19 | Skuz | I'm aware |
| 23:44.26 | mortal | I have noticed that too |
| 23:44.34 | vali | Skuz, no ideas. I installed the ati propietary driver, but deinstalled it because it appears not to have xv extensions |
| 23:44.39 | Skuz | If i were to upgrade to Sid, would I have better luck with the default radeon driver? |
| 23:44.41 | digijohn | I should know, because I live here ;-) |
| 23:44.46 | vali | and i like the mplayer xv driver |
| 23:44.58 | Skuz | because even moving xchat around, it lags a bit |
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| 23:45.30 | fredrik | vali: when hitting 'o' I can only see "old packages", "broken packages" and so on - but not the crucial "will be install" |
| 23:45.31 | vali | weird... are you using vesa or ati ? |
| 23:45.43 | Skuz | I'm not sure |
| 23:45.50 | Skuz | im using the new D-I |
| 23:45.55 | Skuz | it didnt ask me to choose a driver |
| 23:46.04 | vali | fredrik, hmm... below that ones |
| 23:46.15 | Skuz | i know in my xorg.config that i edited it said i had an R350 radeon 9800 |
| 23:46.19 | vali | you can remove "old" safely |
| 23:46.24 | Skuz | but again i have no clue what driver its actually using |
| 23:46.44 | vali | and you shoud not have broken packages |
| 23:48.02 | vali | Skuz, search /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or XF86Config-4) for a section called "Device" |
| 23:48.17 | fredrik | vali: well, it would be nice not having them but I do... isn't there any cache that I could empty so it would remove the record of the things that it wants to install? |
| 23:48.22 | vali | then look at "Driver" |
| 23:48.52 | vali | fredrik, if it exists im not aware of it (i allways use dselect) |
| 23:49.12 | Skuz | Identifier"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon R350 [Radeon 9800 Pro]" |
| 23:49.12 | Skuz | Driver"ati" |
| 23:49.15 | Skuz | k, driver is ATI |
| 23:49.29 | fredrik | vali: ok. damn.... hm |
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| 23:49.40 | vali | only one "Device" section ? |
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| 23:49.46 | vali | fredrik, im sorry |
| 23:50.02 | gudny | I have a question about going from sarge to etch |
| 23:50.16 | Skuz | k |
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| 23:50.36 | gudny | I just changed sarge to etch in my sources file |
| 23:50.42 | jetscreamer | what's the hotplug-init-scripts messes up the network config on reboot from installing factoid |
| 23:50.52 | gudny | and tried to upgrade |
| 23:51.02 | gudny | but apparently more is needed |
| 23:51.13 | gteppel | Does apt-get have an option to remove a package and all its related packages? I'm trying to remove gnome/xserver-xfree86/gdm and all the packages that were installed when it was installed |
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| 23:51.19 | jetscreamer | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 23:51.23 | gudny | yepp |
| 23:51.45 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge libgnome* |
| 23:52.02 | bpuzon | hellp |
| 23:52.06 | bpuzon | hello |
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| 23:52.21 | gteppel | jetscreamer: okay |
| 23:52.22 | gudny | udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12 |
| 23:52.23 | jetscreamer | !listkeys hotplug-init |
| 23:52.24 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'hotplug-init' by key returned no results. |
| 23:52.30 | jetscreamer | !listkeys hotplug |
| 23:52.32 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'hotplug' by key (6): hotplug ;; hotplug #DEL# ;; #debian hotplug ;; _default hotplug ;; pci nic hotplugging ;; hotplug auto detect that. |
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| 23:53.20 | bpuzon | All my fonts stored in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts are in ISO-8859-1 encoding. Is there any way to change them all into 8859-2? Any good howtos concerning linux font system? |
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| 23:53.51 | bpuzon | Good = covering all these (and more) problems in detail |
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| 23:55.03 | bpuzon | All my fonts stored in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts are in ISO-8859-1 encoding. Is there any way to change them all into 8859-2? Any good howtos concerning linux font system? |
| 23:55.04 | Coweater | http://nl.ijs.si/gnusl/cee/iso8859-2.html |
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| 23:55.10 | bpuzon | Good = covering all these (and more) problems in detail |
| 23:55.14 | IdahoEv | *oops, sorry |
| 23:55.14 | Coweater | don't repeat |
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| 23:55.55 | fredrik | how could I restore my apt-system? it couldn't be so hard. all I need to do is to remove the list of zillions of software that are standing in line to get installed..... |
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| 23:56.46 | Skuz | how do i install a deb file >< |
| 23:56.54 | poli | Skuz: man dpkg |
| 23:57.01 | rconnell | Has anyone successfully got a external USB SBlive card to work? |
| 23:57.05 | Skuz | kk |
| 23:57.17 | poli | Skuz: if you already have the file, otherwise, man apt-get or aptitude |
| 23:57.25 | vali | fredrik, i did a python script to try to "regenerate" /var/lib/dpkg/status, but have one problem... it uses the version numbers of the newer packages in the available list |
| 23:57.50 | vali | so you can get a system with old packaged that seems to be updated |
| 23:57.53 | Skuz | yeah i have the file |
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| 23:59.02 | Skuz | fuck i hate man, they are always 300 pages long |
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| 23:59.10 | Skuz | and you only need one sentence out of all of it |
| 23:59.17 | Skuz | ill just google it |
| 23:59.25 | Coweater | rconnell: yes |
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| 23:59.45 | zebalin7 | On net-install for etch, tasksel has a 'standard' choice. What packages do you get with that if you choose it? What is difference between the base debian and 'standard.' |
| 23:59.45 | fredrik | vali: I'll try to find some other solution first - thanks a bunch for your help though! muchas gracias |
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