| 00:00.00 | britt_ | I couldnt tell you, I just thought exim already did that. any suggestions? |
| 00:00.15 | markybob | britt_, read this. there's a step by step mail section http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_sarge |
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| 00:00.25 | fango | hahaha ok, i fixed it, people. i wasnt downloading from a mirror that had the amd64 stuff on it |
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| 00:01.19 | ice_1963 | were is the nvidia-glx for etch ? |
| 00:01.21 | fango | the line i used in the config was "apt http://amd64.debian.net/debian-amd64/ sid main |
| 00:01.35 | ice_1963 | sid |
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| 00:01.41 | markybob | !info nvidia-glx |
| 00:01.43 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8178-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3106 kB, Installed size: 10328 kB |
| 00:03.02 | jmcm | I'm trying to send a file from this desktop to a laptop running Windows XP. I (believe I) have samba installed. I can view this computer from the laptop's "My Network Places", but when i try to access it, nothing I enter on the login prompt works... Any ideas? |
| 00:03.47 | markybob | jmcm, have you enabled samba users? |
| 00:03.56 | fango | jmcm: can i make a suggestion? forget netbios filesharing and just set up an ftp server on one of the machines. in the end, it'll make your life a WHOLE lot easier |
| 00:04.06 | markybob | jmcm, man smbpasswd in particular the -e option |
| 00:04.14 | britt_ | markybob: If someone can give me a suggestion as to which package to install, I can do it. I just though exim had the smtp built in,but i guess the lack of said smtp would be the reason why its disabled |
| 00:04.33 | jmcm | thanks... i'll try those. I have to go right now... I'll probably be back later! |
| 00:04.37 | markybob | britt_ yes, but you have to CONFIGURE it. which is why i pointed you to the article to read HOW |
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| 00:06.08 | fango | does anyone know of an irc client for windows that doesnt suck, and is not trialware? |
| 00:06.31 | fango | something with a nice interface and xdcc support? |
| 00:06.32 | dondelelcaro | fango: use irssi inside of cygwin |
| 00:06.35 | SerajewelKS | fango: what channel are you in? |
| 00:06.37 | markybob | fango, there are win32 builds of xchat that are not trialware or shareware or whatever the official xchat is |
| 00:06.37 | DonL | fango, my wife uses mirc and likes it |
| 00:07.06 | fango | markybob: really?? checking.... |
| 00:07.09 | markybob | fango, http://www.silverex.org/news/ |
| 00:07.13 | ke6isf | Feh, stupid Turbotax.com... |
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| 00:07.46 | fango | brb |
| 00:08.01 | strefli3_ | Hello agian, apparently my connection failed, I was curious if anyone had a hint to my problem of dist-upgrade and pcmcia. Thanks |
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| 00:08.52 | britt_ | markybob: well this is good if one uses postfix...but i use exim.. |
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| 00:09.33 | ke6isf | strefli3_: When did you last ask? |
| 00:09.34 | SerajewelKS | britt_: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 00:09.52 | britt_ | SerajewelKS: yeah i did that. |
| 00:09.55 | strefli3_ | ke6isf 5-10 minutes ago |
| 00:10.03 | SerajewelKS | britt_: then SMTP would be enabled |
| 00:10.04 | britt_ | and i went through the configs to get cyrus to work |
| 00:10.08 | markybob | britt_ you dont use exim. if you used exim, you'd know *how* to use it. exim was simply installed by default on your debian box |
| 00:10.56 | britt_ | SerajewelKS: so why doesnt it work? |
| 00:10.56 | SerajewelKS | britt_: you tell me |
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| 00:10.57 | ke6isf | strefli3_: Try asking again. I don't see it in the lastlog. |
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| 00:11.10 | britt_ | markybob: perhaps you assume too much. |
| 00:11.10 | strefli3_ | ke6isf I imagine it never got here, thanks. |
| 00:11.18 | strefli3_ | hey guys, I am running testing, just did a dist-upgrade, and it seems that my cisco aironet card no longer works. It could possibly be pcmcia. Looking for some hints to track the problem down, 2.6.15. Thanks |
| 00:11.24 | britt_ | SerajewelKS: brb i'll find out |
| 00:11.48 | ambrose | Well, the kernel device name seems to be uba and I see nothing referencing uba in the udev config, but who knows? Maybe if I just start udevd, it will all just magically work. |
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| 00:12.10 | chealer_ | strefli3_: does it work under 2.6.12? |
| 00:12.13 | fangor | biggidy BAM |
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| 00:12.29 | fangor | thanks, man |
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| 00:12.39 | SerajewelKS | britt_: what exactly is your goal for this server box |
| 00:12.47 | markybob | fangor, np |
| 00:12.48 | ambrose | a /dev/uba1 showed up... let's try to mount it |
| 00:12.51 | bilis | nvz nothing again. I enabled the reiserfs to be built-in but could do the same with the IDE controller which can only be compiled as a Module. what else do you think could be? |
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| 00:13.15 | ambrose | yay! |
| 00:13.17 | britt_ | SerajewelKS: I already set up squirrelmail on this box, its a linode box I bought to use as a apache serever and mail system |
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| 00:13.39 | ambrose | thanks Nigromante, SerajewelKS . |
| 00:13.40 | strefli3_ | chealer_ I am not ceartin, But I do have that kernel to test. should I give it a shot? |
| 00:13.47 | britt_ | I want to use mail readers on my individual systems with IMAP without having to go online to squirrelmail |
| 00:13.51 | SerajewelKS | ambrose: np |
| 00:13.56 | britt_ | im halfway there... |
| 00:14.04 | chealer_ | strefli3_: why not |
| 00:14.05 | britt_ | i can read mail fine, just cant send mail |
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| 00:14.22 | britt_ | but if i send it from the box, its fine (via php) |
| 00:14.28 | SerajewelKS | britt_: this is just a practice server, right? |
| 00:14.31 | octoberdan | Is there a way to give another user permission to read one of my directories? |
| 00:14.35 | SerajewelKS | britt_: it's not going into production? |
| 00:14.37 | octoberdan | just one user |
| 00:14.42 | octoberdan | *one additional user |
| 00:14.52 | ke6isf | octoberdan: Yeah, add that user to a group. |
| 00:14.53 | strefli3_ | chealer_ I'll give it a shot. |
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| 00:15.05 | sjr | octoberdan: put them in a group and give group ownership of your directory to that group |
| 00:15.15 | britt_ | SerajewelKS: its just MY box, its just for me. i dont want to destroy it though |
| 00:15.15 | octoberdan | ke6isf, I'm just a user |
| 00:15.27 | SerajewelKS | SperMite: a directory can't be owned by two users |
| 00:15.45 | SerajewelKS | SperMite: but you can have root own it and change the group |
| 00:15.53 | ke6isf | octoberdan: Then you can't, not without setting read access for the world. |
| 00:16.23 | SerajewelKS | britt_: install postfix |
| 00:16.25 | ke6isf | octoberdan: You can ask your system's root to do the deed for you. |
| 00:16.33 | ke6isf | !start an mta war |
| 00:16.33 | dpkg | postfix has shitty documentation |
| 00:16.42 | octoberdan | hmmm... Alright, thanks for the help everyone |
| 00:16.47 | sjr | haha, gotta love the MTA wars |
| 00:16.49 | SerajewelKS | hah, untrue =P |
| 00:16.59 | britt_ | thats not what I want |
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| 00:17.14 | SerajewelKS | britt_: why? |
| 00:17.26 | britt_ | SerajewelKS: because *EVERYTHING* else works with exim |
| 00:17.35 | \amethyst | SperMite: chown root.devin directory ; chmod g+w directory (add -R to both commands to make it recurse into files and subdirectories) |
| 00:17.43 | SerajewelKS | britt_: and what makes you think it won't work with postfix? |
| 00:18.05 | britt_ | SerajewelKS: if it ain't broke, dont fix it |
| 00:18.22 | ke6isf | britt: To note, the only MTA that seems to have weird problems with being proprietary is qmail, from what I've heard. And maybe Courier. Don't know though - this is just hearsay. |
| 00:18.26 | SerajewelKS | britt_: last i heard, exim wasn't doing the SMTP thing. you call that not broken? |
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| 00:18.54 | britt_ | SerajewelKS: you prefer postfix, right? |
| 00:19.12 | _keroppi_ | I've been making debian packages for apps, by setting the prefix to /tmp/app_name, I'd like to set the prefix to /, but then I can't get the files that it installs, to put them in a debian package... How would I accomplish this/ |
| 00:19.19 | SerajewelKS | britt_: it took me less than an hour to set up properly and works perfectly, so yes. |
| 00:19.23 | strefli3 | chealer_ It seems to work just fine in 2.6.12. Could it possible be a pcmci-cs and pcmciautils situtation? |
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| 00:20.29 | chealer_ | strefli3: I suppose. does the output of /etc/init.d/pcmciautils restart; give any clue? |
| 00:20.52 | britt_ | SerajewelKS: I have a telnet session open on my SMTP port right now |
| 00:21.04 | adamrenie | i'm trying to update my kernel with apt-get install linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8 and i have a problem with dependencies |
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| 00:21.10 | britt_ | SerajewelKS: so i guess it *DOES* work, but I guess i'm wondering why I cant access mail |
| 00:21.24 | strefli3 | chealer_ in 2.6.12 it of course gives the error that it need greater then 2.6.13 |
| 00:21.35 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: Paste the output to pastebin.com |
| 00:21.35 | chealer_ | strefli3: yeah :) |
| 00:21.41 | adamrenie | i do apt-get -f install and get a perl error that it can't set my locale |
| 00:21.46 | SerajewelKS | britt_: what error does the client return when you try to send mail |
| 00:22.05 | chealer_ | adamrenie: paste the errors somewhere |
| 00:22.14 | chealer_ | _keroppi_: sorry |
| 00:22.15 | adamrenie | i try to get localeconf and it complains about udev |
| 00:22.29 | adamrenie | i try to get udev and it gives a perl erro |
| 00:22.29 | adamrenie | okay |
| 00:22.33 | strefli3 | chealer_ I am going to boot back into 15 and look around. thanks for the hekp so far. |
| 00:22.38 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: Oh that one, I've had that problem before, but I don't remember the solution. Try this: "export LC_ALL=C" |
| 00:22.56 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: That will set your locale to the "C Locale", which is us-english |
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| 00:23.04 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: It's not a good solution though |
| 00:23.08 | chealer_ | strefli3: hehe |
| 00:23.37 | adamrenie | i just seem to be going in circles here |
| 00:24.14 | _keroppi_ | Hmm, when did freenode stop having "ops" in the sense that they are tagged as ops by the IRC protocol? |
| 00:24.40 | britt_ | SerajewelKS: hold that thought. brb |
| 00:24.43 | ke6isf | _keroppi_: What do you mean? |
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| 00:25.07 | _keroppi_ | ke6isf: There are no ops in #linux, #c++ and there are only two in this channel |
| 00:25.21 | _keroppi_ | ke6isf: But there are people here with op privilages |
| 00:25.53 | ke6isf | _keroppi_: I can't answer for the other channels, but my own theory for why it exists here is to remove also the connotations of status, and give the +o hat to people who would not abuse it, and only wear it when necessary. |
| 00:25.53 | SerajewelKS | _keroppi_: because it tends to isolate the ops.. harder for them to engage in honest discussion while everyone's afraid of them, etc. |
| 00:25.54 | _keroppi_ | ke6isf: But the ops in here are bots, I suspect the "ops" send messages to the bots to do things |
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| 00:26.02 | _keroppi_ | SerajewelKS: ah ok |
| 00:26.13 | adamrenie | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1803 |
| 00:26.23 | pngwn | heh |
| 00:26.24 | SerajewelKS | _keroppi_: it contributes more to a community feel |
| 00:26.38 | ke6isf | _keroppi_: ChanServ is probably patently obvious. |
| 00:26.49 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: and some people in here are ops, they just ask ChanServ for +o when it's necessary |
| 00:26.57 | _keroppi_ | SerajewelKS: ah ok |
| 00:26.58 | chealer_ | hey people, he's there! it's the same gravity that broke your NVIDIA 3D drivers! |
| 00:27.05 | ke6isf | _keroppi_: debhelper just doles out the hat under conditions as SerajewelKS describes. |
| 00:27.32 | _keroppi_ | I guess it also prevents the ops from getting messages from morons. =) |
| 00:27.44 | ke6isf | _keroppi_: And as far as I'm concerned, the people who can access the hat have done so wisely. |
| 00:28.06 | ke6isf | _keroppi_: Not really, since you can do !ops and summon them still by way of dpkg. =^_^= |
| 00:28.29 | adamrenie | _keroppi_ export LC_ALL=C executes, but doesn't fix my problem |
| 00:28.31 | _keroppi_ | ke6isf: Probably still stops morons, but not adept assholes. =) |
| 00:28.52 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: Well your paste is completely different than some locale problem, you have to fix that before you try installing anything |
| 00:28.59 | SperMite | \amethyst I just i need to change the group of /var/www/localhost/htdocs so my user to access it, im been trying to use the chgrp command but idk if im using it right |
| 00:29.05 | ke6isf | _keroppi_: Well, foolish uses of !ops is usually quelled pretty quick like. =^^= |
| 00:29.32 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: What release of debian are you using? stable, testing, unstable? |
| 00:29.46 | adamrenie | _keroppi_ okay, i think i still have a locale problem, but how do i fix my pasted problem? |
| 00:30.10 | SerajewelKS | damn music sounds weird when you have the flu |
| 00:30.16 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: Well, it's bitching about version numbers |
| 00:30.23 | thingfish | and food tastes weird. |
| 00:30.29 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: I have udev 0.081-1 on my system |
| 00:30.31 | ke6isf | And you can't smell a damn thing! |
| 00:30.36 | thingfish | I know! |
| 00:30.40 | SerajewelKS | thingfish: my stomach is so upset i can't have food =/ |
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| 00:30.55 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: Again, what release of debian are you using? |
| 00:31.18 | thingfish | SerajewelKS: I didn't have many stomach symptoms, just chest and sinuses. Was bad - couldn't catch my breath. |
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| 00:31.23 | adamrenie | _keroppi_ amd64 |
| 00:31.35 | SerajewelKS | i can hardly think, and yet i've got the most convoluted system of ssh tunnels going to stream music from my dorm box while at home |
| 00:31.35 | thingfish | SerajewelKS: 7-Up would be good for you. |
| 00:31.56 | Grim76 | I am having problems with tranparency in fluxbox. I can set the transparency but it does not seem to work at all. |
| 00:32.06 | Grim76 | Anyone have any idea? |
| 00:32.06 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: No, not that kind of version... releases: stable, testing or unstable, which are named: sarge, something and sid |
| 00:32.08 | SerajewelKS | thingfish: i've got the works, upset stomach, sore throat (going away though), stuffy nose, joint pain, headache, ... |
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| 00:32.11 | _keroppi_ | What's testing called now? |
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| 00:32.23 | thingfish | SerajewelKS: yep, you've got it. |
| 00:32.26 | SerajewelKS | _keroppi_: etch |
| 00:32.37 | britt__ | SerajewelKS: 550 Relay not permitted |
| 00:32.49 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: I think you're using sarge, which is stable, because sarge installs the old udev 0.056-3 |
| 00:33.00 | SerajewelKS | thingfish: i hope my professors will be nice and let me turn in some assignments late.. was going to do them this weekend |
| 00:33.01 | britt__ | but in exim its set for full internet send and recieve |
| 00:33.03 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: Did you do an apt-get update? |
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| 00:33.18 | SerajewelKS | britt__: that's probably a good thing -- it means that exim doesn't trust your computer to send mail |
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| 00:33.30 | SerajewelKS | britt__: try enabling SMTP authentication in your client |
| 00:33.33 | britt__ | SerajewelKS: its a pain in the you-know-what |
| 00:33.36 | adamrenie | _keroppi_ yes i just did, i think i have sarge my net install disc was 31r0a |
| 00:33.42 | britt__ | SerajewelKS: but you're right. |
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| 00:33.56 | SerajewelKS | britt__: that's how i have postfix set up too |
| 00:33.57 | britt__ | SerajewelKS: the mail client? |
| 00:34.02 | thingfish | SerajewelKS: good luck with that. actually, though, so much flu is going around that you might be given a little slack. |
| 00:34.04 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: That's the output of "apt-get -f install" on the paste? |
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| 00:34.23 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: When you paste, you should copy the line where you typed the command as well so people know what you did. |
| 00:34.23 | britt__ | SerajewelKS: oh crap..you have the flu? |
| 00:34.44 | SerajewelKS | thingfish: let's hope so.. the past three weekends have SUCKED |
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| 00:35.19 | SerajewelKS | thingfish: i forget what happened two weeks ago but last week i had to get up at midnight sunday morning to do stress testing of our library server, then the flu this weekend |
| 00:35.36 | SerajewelKS | thingfish: so i've got like no major homework done |
| 00:35.44 | SerajewelKS | britt__: yeah unfortunately |
| 00:36.17 | adamrenie | _keroppi_: sorry, i'm new to this. that last paste was what apt-get install linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8 gives me |
| 00:36.29 | britt__ | SerajewelKS: that sucks, im sorry to hear that. I had a sister die from the flu--it sucks. I've never had it though, well except for that pesky stomach flu thing that goes around |
| 00:36.55 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: Okay, can you paste the contents of /etc/sources.list? I have to see where apt-get is trying to grab files from |
| 00:36.55 | thingfish | wow |
| 00:37.11 | thingfish | well all I know is, next year I'm not farting around - I'm getting the flu shot. |
| 00:37.14 | SerajewelKS | britt__: now i've never heard of young people dying of the flu.. at least not in the states |
| 00:37.20 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: I suspect you're running the sarge or stable distribution/release, and it's too old for a new kernel without fiddling around |
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| 00:37.31 | britt__ | SerajewelKS: its getting worse, but it is pretty rare. |
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| 00:37.46 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: Is this your home box that you play with, or is it going to end up being a web, ftp, or any other type of server exposed to the Internet? |
| 00:38.23 | britt__ | SerajewelKS: about 90,000 people/yr die. I read soem documentation at a hospital about it--when my grnadmother was there when she was fighting ovarian cancer |
| 00:38.27 | britt__ | : |
| 00:38.33 | britt__ | anywho, |
| 00:38.40 | brlancer | it's extremely rare for the flu to take down someone with a normal immune system--kids, seniors, people with immune disorders, they die of the flu |
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| 00:39.07 | SperMite | how do i change the group with chgrp? |
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| 00:39.31 | SerajewelKS | SperMite: wow is that a no-op question |
| 00:39.43 | britt__ | funny thing is, in 1991 when she died (@11 months old) that the odds were better to either win the lottery or get struck by lightening |
| 00:39.43 | SerajewelKS | SperMite: man chgrp |
| 00:39.43 | SperMite | =( |
| 00:39.49 | poli | SperMite: man chgrp is a very good reference |
| 00:39.59 | adamrenie | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1804 |
| 00:40.10 | SerajewelKS | britt__: ah, 11 months.. that kinda makes sense |
| 00:40.11 | britt__ | ironically i've been struck by lightening too...so maybe i should start playing the lottery |
| 00:40.25 | SerajewelKS | britt__: heh.. one of my dad's friends was struck once |
| 00:40.27 | adamrenie | _keroppi_ this is just for home use, i do want to share files on my local network with it http://channels.debian.net/paste/1804 |
| 00:40.30 | SerajewelKS | britt__: he though it was the coolest thing ever |
| 00:40.35 | SerajewelKS | thought* |
| 00:40.39 | britt__ | Se |
| 00:41.04 | britt__ | SerajewelKS: yeah, it was wierd anyway. lightening travels very VERY fast |
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| 00:41.35 | britt__ | so to the peanut gallery, does exim have a lockout feature on smtp? |
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| 00:42.03 | britt__ | so i have to manually key-in allowed IPs for people who i want to access the server? |
| 00:42.19 | SerajewelKS | britt__: i'd just google for smtp authentication with exim |
| 00:42.29 | britt__ | SerajewelKS: cool. I'll do that now. |
| 00:42.55 | britt__ | Google is like a household name |
| 00:43.01 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: What version does "dpkg -l udev" say? What does "apt-get install udev" say, as root of course? |
| 00:43.14 | britt__ | someone in ten years , guaranteed, will name thier child google |
| 00:43.58 | _keroppi_ | I'm sure it's already happened |
| 00:44.05 | _keroppi_ | And I'm sure they're a frequent poster to slashdot |
| 00:44.11 | britt__ | lol |
| 00:44.11 | _keroppi_ | The child included |
| 00:44.16 | _unstable | britt__: It already happened I bet. |
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| 00:44.30 | _keroppi_ | I'm sure it's already happened, and that the kid is old enough to be posting to slashdot. =) |
| 00:45.06 | adamrenie | _keroppi_: udev 0.056-3, apt-get install udev gives an error about the kernel needs to be >= 2.6.12, but i'm trying to upgrade the kernel |
| 00:45.16 | britt__ | or firefox. anything is better than having your name be "Windows Millenium" |
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| 00:45.31 | britt__ | i dont know what i would do if that was my name |
| 00:45.37 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: hmmm, well, this is shitty and stupid. |
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| 00:45.58 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: You're going to have to override one, then install the other. That's what I'm guessing is the best thing to do. |
| 00:46.24 | mlots | Can I configure lessdisks or ltsp to run programs on the local client machine rather than the server? |
| 00:46.29 | adamrenie | _keroppi_: is there any way i can just start over? |
| 00:46.44 | adamrenie | _keroppi_: without having to download all the packages again |
| 00:46.56 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: There's an easier way |
| 00:47.00 | _keroppi_ | Let's ask the channel |
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| 00:47.29 | adamrenie | _keroppi_: to get be back up to the point where i started after all the inital setup? |
| 00:47.31 | _keroppi_ | Hey everyone, adamrenie is trying to upgrade his kernel, but apt-get says he needs to upgrade udev first, but udev says it needs a new kernel, what should he do? |
| 00:48.20 | britt__ | i read about this before |
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| 00:48.34 | nix4me | yee old chicken and egg scenario |
| 00:48.43 | britt__ | cant ya do both at the same time? ignoring dependencys |
| 00:48.50 | dudu_2004 | hey, i was about to install debian, but the installer hangs soon after the boot when trying to detect scsi devices: sd_mod... |
| 00:48.52 | mlots | adamrenie: without having the background, to backup downloaded packages you can copy them out of /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 00:49.32 | britt__ | id do the kernel first, then ude |
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| 00:50.17 | adamrenie | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1805 |
| 00:50.38 | Lord_Athur | hi, how do i install a .deb file? |
| 00:50.47 | markybob | dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 00:50.55 | adamrenie | brit__: how can i ignore dependancies? |
| 00:51.01 | mlots | iirc the command is dpkg --install filename.deb |
| 00:51.45 | Lord_Athur | thanks markybob |
| 00:51.49 | mlots | --force-help ? |
| 00:52.01 | limpio | mlots: dpkg -i = dpkg --install |
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| 00:52.13 | nse | Hello everybody! I'm receiving many error lines during the boot process since I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.15 - the msg erros are related to /lib/udev/<something> which cannot be executed. Is there something I can do to go round this? |
| 00:53.01 | ericP | perl is giving me a local-setting error |
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| 00:53.21 | ericP | my LC_CTYPE = "en_US.UTF-8" and /etc/locale.gen includes en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 00:53.33 | tyranix | !udev 2.6.12 |
| 00:53.33 | dpkg | if you tried to upgrade udev and now get the message "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted.", you must install a 2.6.12 kernel before proceding. The recommended way to do this is to download a linux-image-2.6.12-1 .deb for your arch from ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/ and installing it with dpkg -i |
| 00:53.40 | dudu_2004 | somebody knows why when starting the instalation process it hangs on my machine in the detection phase of IDE Cdrom? and trying to load sd_mod for scsi. Note: I have SATA Sil 3112 |
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| 00:54.05 | zero-1 | hi |
| 00:54.31 | britt__ | adamrenie: its a switch for apt-get i believe |
| 00:54.35 | britt__ | or is it dpkg |
| 00:54.58 | adamrenie | okay, thanks |
| 00:55.04 | adamrenie | i think i'm going to have to start all over |
| 00:55.07 | zebalin7 | nse: have you tried to update udev? |
| 00:55.09 | zero-1 | how can i fix this ?? E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true received a segmentation fault. |
| 00:55.09 | zero-1 | E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true |
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| 00:55.30 | zero-1 | im getting it every tim i try to install or remove something |
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| 00:57.19 | britt__ | adamrenie: dont start over |
| 00:57.29 | britt__ | I made that mistake like ten times |
| 00:57.47 | britt__ | lemme check something REAL fast |
| 00:58.14 | nse | zebalin7: the latest udev version from etch is installed |
| 00:58.26 | tyranix | adamrenie: I did !udev 2.6.12 for you... |
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| 00:59.25 | zero-1 | is anyone else having the same problem? |
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| 01:00.17 | dudu_2004 | somebody knows why when starting the instalation process it hangs on my machine in the detection phase of IDE Cdrom? and trying to load sd_mod for scsi. Note: I have SATA Sil 3112 |
| 01:00.28 | britt__ | adamrenie: --ignore-depends=<package>,... Ignore dependencies involving <package> |
| 01:00.37 | britt__ | thats from dpkg |
| 01:01.17 | britt__ | so use that to install the deb for the kernel ignoring dependencies from udev |
| 01:01.18 | SerajewelKS | zero-1: try reinstalling dpkg? |
| 01:01.54 | zero-1 | how can i do that? |
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| 01:02.15 | SerajewelKS | zero-1: apt-get --reinstall install dpkg |
| 01:02.29 | zero-1 | ok thanks let me try |
| 01:03.15 | zero-1 | I get the same message |
| 01:03.31 | SerajewelKS | zero-1: what architecture? |
| 01:03.51 | zero-1 | you mean my PC? |
| 01:03.53 | zero-1 | x86 |
| 01:04.29 | nse | zebalin7: do you think it will be a goog idea to install the new package from sid? |
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| 01:04.38 | SerajewelKS | zero-1: reinstall debian or file a bug report or something |
| 01:04.47 | molinero | yum lives!! |
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| 01:05.34 | adamrenie | okay, once i reinstall debian amd64 31r0a here, how do i change from the amd64-generic to amd64-k8 kernel? |
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| 01:06.42 | adamrenie | and what lines should i add to sources.list? |
| 01:07.07 | nse | Hello everybody! I'm receiving many error lines during the boot process since I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.15 - the msg erros are related to /lib/udev/<something> which cannot be executed. Is there something I can do to go round this? And I'm always receiving a msg: "Please purge the hotplug package" (hotplug is not installed) |
| 01:07.22 | SerajewelKS | nse: apt-get install udev |
| 01:07.33 | dweb | abrotman, you still here? |
| 01:07.46 | nse | SerajewelKS: udev is already installed |
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| 01:07.53 | dudu_2004 | somebody knows why when starting the instalation process it hangs on my machine in the detection phase of IDE Cdrom? and trying to load sd_mod for scsi. Note: I have SATA Sil 3112 |
| 01:08.05 | SerajewelKS | nse: apt-get --reinstall install udev |
| 01:08.13 | britt__ | SerajewelKS: I couldnt find anything. |
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| 01:08.31 | britt__ | SerajewelKS: if i install sendmail, could you help me configure cyrus? |
| 01:08.35 | Woosta | Anyone help me with this error on apt-get update: Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Stale NFS file handle ' [IP: 203.16.234.85 21] |
| 01:08.39 | britt__ | would my databases change? |
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| 01:09.14 | nse | SerajewelKS: I did this. msgs: "Purge the hotplug package" and "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-1-686 was been altered. Cannot update. |
| 01:09.14 | nse | " |
| 01:09.21 | SerajewelKS | britt__: sendmail? yuk |
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| 01:09.31 | britt__ | SerajewelKS: what do you use? |
| 01:09.31 | SerajewelKS | nse: O_o |
| 01:09.36 | SerajewelKS | britt__: postfix + courier |
| 01:09.36 | lee_ | nse, is that kernel in sarge? |
| 01:09.52 | britt__ | SerajewelKS: courier looked insane |
| 01:09.57 | britt__ | when i checked into it |
| 01:10.04 | SerajewelKS | britt__: there is a learning curve, yeah |
| 01:10.22 | britt__ | well it sucks not haviung 100% capability |
| 01:10.26 | nse | lee_: I don't know, but I'm sure it's in etch |
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| 01:11.08 | lee_ | nse, looks like you broke it! |
| 01:11.22 | lee_ | have you tried to purge the hotplug package? |
| 01:11.39 | nse | lee_: I did!? dpkg did everything for me |
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| 01:12.05 | lee_ | install a different kernel and boot off that? |
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| 01:12.29 | nse | lee_: I can't purge it becouse it's not installed: Package hotplug is not installed, so not removed |
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| 01:12.54 | lee_ | what's 'apt-get -f install' do? |
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| 01:13.03 | m1ke_l | fix's half installed apps? |
| 01:13.09 | naetrick | When I boot from my custom kernel, I get "please append correct 'root=' option", and then a kernel panic. I have it set correctly... what should I do? |
| 01:13.17 | lee_ | sorry, nse ^^ |
| 01:13.19 | nse | lee_: kernel 2.6.8 is installed, but I want the .15 one and I want to go round this problem! |
| 01:13.29 | lee_ | why do you want the .15 one? |
| 01:13.36 | zebalin7 | nse: you get the error, but does machine boot ok and does everything work? |
| 01:13.42 | nse | lee_: becouse it's newer? |
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| 01:13.48 | lee_ | oh, then it must be better! |
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| 01:13.55 | nse | zebalin7: yes it does |
| 01:13.56 | lee_ | wrong! |
| 01:14.02 | SerajewelKS | naetrick: you are using a custom kernel... why? |
| 01:14.08 | lee_ | nse, do you /need/ that kernel for something specific? |
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| 01:14.35 | naetrick | SerajewelKS: Quite a few reasons |
| 01:14.39 | tuv | why upgrading xserver-xorg to 6.9 removes nvidia-glx? |
| 01:14.49 | zebalin7 | nse: I believe the latest udev (which gets rid of hal for some reason) requires a kernel later than 2.6.12... and you are sure you are booting to the right kernel? Show me uname-r |
| 01:14.51 | nse | lee_: I don't but I like to follow the newest stable kernels. And I want to understand why it's doing this problem, and how to resolve it. |
| 01:15.13 | lee_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.17 | naetrick | nevermind, I think I have it |
| 01:15.17 | lee_ | file a bug report? |
| 01:15.21 | cheal | tuv: because xserver-xorg 6.9 conflicts with nvidia-glx <= 1.0.7174-4 |
| 01:15.23 | [2am] | good evening everybody |
| 01:15.49 | nse | zebalin7: Yes, I'm using kernel 2.6.15 |
| 01:16.21 | nse | [2am]: here is night |
| 01:16.22 | SerajewelKS | woot, kde 3.5 finally hit testing |
| 01:16.25 | zebalin7 | nse: is there anthing in dmesg or var/log messages, syslog, etc.???? That might be a clue. |
| 01:16.46 | tuv | cheal: so? xserver-xorg is un-upgradable if nvidia-glx is used? |
| 01:16.52 | zebalin7 | SerajewelKS: have you updated to 3.5? What breaks :-) ??? |
| 01:17.00 | zebalin7 | (brb) |
| 01:17.02 | [2am] | hey. is anyone here running testing? |
| 01:17.11 | cheal | tuv: yes, unless you use sid's NVIDIA 3D drivers packages |
| 01:17.12 | zebalin7 | [2am]: yes |
| 01:17.14 | [2am] | im building out a new production box, thinking about using testing instead of stable |
| 01:17.20 | cheal | [2am]: no, it just exists for fun |
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| 01:17.34 | [2am] | zebalin7: experiences? has it been pretty 'good' to u? ;P |
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| 01:17.59 | [2am] | cheal: so does #debian, but i dont mind using that either |
| 01:18.05 | SerajewelKS | zebalin7: not yet, i'm sshed into my box so i don't want to upgrade while not physically there to babysit |
| 01:18.09 | tuv | cheal: nice hint.. thanks |
| 01:18.17 | nse | zebalin7: cat syslog | grep udev gives me a null output |
| 01:18.26 | Woosta | Sorry to re-ask but can anyone help me with this error on apt-get update: Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Stale NFS file handle ' [IP: 203.16.234.85 21] |
| 01:19.05 | cheal | Woosta: would that be specific to one mirror? |
| 01:19.33 | ke6isf | Woosta: What method are you using to get your updates? |
| 01:19.48 | Woosta | cheal .. it might be |
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| 01:19.59 | Woosta | ke6isf: apt-get update |
| 01:20.01 | cheal | Woosta: then consider using another one |
| 01:20.03 | fangor | hey, what's the command for the nice graphical commandline config util for xorg again? |
| 01:20.19 | ke6isf | Woosta: Tiy established that, but the protocol? FTP? NFS? If it's NFS, try something different. |
| 01:20.25 | cheal | !drxx fangor |
| 01:20.25 | dpkg | fangor: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:20.27 | ke6isf | s/Tiy?You |
| 01:20.38 | fangor | ty |
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| 01:20.53 | Woosta | cheal: I just reinstalled my whole HD because I kept changing my sources.list and got the whole system all tied up in knots .. so I'm a little hesitant to change anything |
| 01:21.17 | Woosta | ke6isf: it's using ftp so I'm wondering if the NFS problem is on the other end .. |
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| 01:21.28 | ke6isf | Woosta: Probably. Try a different mirror. |
| 01:21.42 | Woosta | :-/ |
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| 01:22.03 | cheal | Woosta: what kind of changes did you do? |
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| 01:22.17 | adamrenie | Woosta: i did the same thing, i have no idea what you're actually supposed to put there |
| 01:22.42 | GutterPunk | I have this freaky issue. I want to install nvidia-glx and aptitude shows me it needs to *remove* x-window-system and xorg in order to do that |
| 01:22.48 | Woosta | cheal: last time? No idea .. I think the main problem was using testing :) |
| 01:23.02 | GutterPunk | After unpacking 5997kB disk space will be freed. |
| 01:23.08 | GutterPunk | Should I go ahead with this? |
| 01:23.21 | adamrenie | why does sources.list not come with the correct serves in it? why do i always have to add things to it? |
| 01:23.24 | cheal | Woosta: well, it's not related to changing sources.list then |
| 01:23.35 | Woosta | OK, changed ftp.au.debian to ftp.us.debian figuring they should be exact mirrors .. it's going ok now |
| 01:23.52 | Woosta | cheal: yeah, but I kept getting really really weird errors about not being able to stat stuff |
| 01:24.05 | cheal | adamrenie: what do you mean? it comes with nothing but the original install media and the mirror you chose during setup, no? |
| 01:24.14 | Guerin | adamrenie: the preconfigured sources.list can't predict what will happen to servers in the future |
| 01:24.51 | cheal | Woosta: that's a bit vague, I don't know why that would happen |
| 01:25.05 | cheal | GutterPunk: not if you want to keep X |
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| 01:25.34 | Woosta | cheal: yeah, I put up with it for ages as it didn't seem to break anything .. but then I started having problems with other stuff so I did a full re-install .. happier now |
| 01:25.50 | Woosta | (and for the moment, I'm sticking with stable :)) |
| 01:25.59 | GutterPunk | cheal, well I do! but I don't see how installing nvidia-glx could interfere with X |
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| 01:26.53 | SerajewelKS | GutterPunk: stable or testing? |
| 01:27.00 | GutterPunk | SerajewelKS, testing |
| 01:27.05 | Guerin | GutterPunk: how could it NOT interfere with X? |
| 01:27.20 | cheal | GutterPunk: xserver-xorg 6.9 conflicts with nvidia-glx <= 1.0.7174-4 |
| 01:27.25 | hipnos | hi somebody have problem with etch and gnome 2.12 ? |
| 01:27.33 | cheal | hipnos: most likely |
| 01:27.36 | SerajewelKS | GutterPunk: there's an nvidia-glx in testing new enough for the updated xorg |
| 01:27.37 | GutterPunk | Guerin, surely it's got something to DO with X |
| 01:27.42 | Guerin | hipnos: etch isn't stable. |
| 01:28.00 | Guerin | GutterPunk: yes. |
| 01:28.01 | GutterPunk | SerajewelKS, well I did a dist-upgrade just a few hours ago |
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| 01:28.19 | SerajewelKS | GutterPunk: do you have non-free sources enabled? |
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| 01:28.37 | GutterPunk | SerajewelKS, yes... I'll doublecheck |
| 01:28.51 | _keroppi_ | adamrenie: I didn't get any messages from you for a while, how's it going? |
| 01:28.56 | GutterPunk | SerajewelKS, I do |
| 01:29.03 | SerajewelKS | GutterPunk: then you'll have nvidia-glx=1.0.8178-1 |
| 01:29.05 | hipnos | when loggin into gnome dont load panels and menus |
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| 01:29.30 | SerajewelKS | GutterPunk: unless your mirror is out of sync.. apt-get update again? |
| 01:29.39 | GutterPunk | SerajewelKS, according to apt-cache policy it's still in unstable |
| 01:29.39 | hipnos | and cant install this packge: gnome-menus Depends: python-glade2 but it is not going to be installed |
| 01:29.51 | GutterPunk | SerajewelKS, alright I'll do that |
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| 01:30.11 | cheal | !tell SerajewelKS about info nvidia-glx etch |
| 01:30.13 | SerajewelKS | GutterPunk: i got 1.0.8178-1 sometime last week =/ |
| 01:30.26 | SerajewelKS | cheal: wtf... |
| 01:30.36 | Azar | :) |
| 01:30.40 | SerajewelKS | maybe i backported it... |
| 01:30.46 | bilis | hello. i just managed to boot my build of the kernel. I do have a strange message in dmesg.evbug.c: Event. Dev: isa0060/serio0/input0, Type: 0, Code: 0, Value: 0 |
| 01:31.05 | SerajewelKS | who is vickybot |
| 01:31.16 | Guerin | bilis: use a debian kernel |
| 01:31.18 | bilis | many lines like that. they fills the all dmesg. the type code and value are different though |
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| 01:31.29 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: /whois vickybot |
| 01:31.34 | bilis | Guerin sorry? what do you mean? |
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| 01:31.45 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: vickybot is responding to !tell |
| 01:31.56 | Azar | billis, Guerin told you clearly: use a Debian kernel |
| 01:32.05 | bilis | preocompiled? |
| 01:32.10 | SerajewelKS | !tell SerajewelKS about foo |
| 01:32.21 | SerajewelKS | grr, someone kick vickybot |
| 01:32.24 | Guerin | bilis: i mean: if you don't know how to build a kernel, debian builds one for you. If you want to persist with troubleshooting your own kernel, suggest you ask somewhere not #debian |
| 01:32.32 | Guerin | bilis: yes, precompiled. |
| 01:32.34 | GutterPunk | !tell Gutterpunk about info nvidia-glx etch |
| 01:32.41 | cheal | !tell cheal about chealer |
| 01:32.43 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: ex: type '!tell Guerin about foo' |
| 01:32.51 | Azar | :) |
| 01:32.56 | Supaplex | !stay stuff |
| 01:32.58 | SerajewelKS | annoying as hell |
| 01:33.01 | Supaplex | !say stuff |
| 01:33.01 | dpkg | stuff |
| 01:33.16 | GutterPunk | so I should pin nvidia-glx to unstable? |
| 01:33.16 | Guerin | ... |
| 01:33.22 | cheal | !ops vickybot answering to !tell |
| 01:33.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: vickybot answering to !tell |
| 01:33.28 | Guerin | GutterPunk: you shouldn't pin ANYTHING if you have to ask |
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| 01:33.31 | GutterPunk | that's probably my only option except for going back to xfree? |
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| 01:33.50 | SerajewelKS | GutterPunk: or backport it |
| 01:33.58 | cheal | GutterPunk: no, just install sid's NVIDIA 3D drivers |
| 01:34.00 | hipnos | hi , somebody with problem to update gnome 2.12 in testing ? |
| 01:34.02 | Supaplex | chroot install does wonders for me :P |
| 01:34.06 | cheal | hipnos: most likely |
| 01:34.07 | SerajewelKS | GutterPunk: i don't remember how i got the newest nvidia-glx.. i must have backported it or something |
| 01:34.15 | mentor | !tell me about beer |
| 01:34.24 | GutterPunk | cheal, like aptitude -t unstable install nvidia-glx? |
| 01:34.24 | Guerin | hipnos: we already answered your question. You might consider asking a different one. |
| 01:34.46 | hipnos | Guerin : ok |
| 01:34.46 | GutterPunk | I'm new to debian I'm sorry. That's why I ask so many questions :) |
| 01:34.47 | cheal | GutterPunk: yeah, if you can deal with aptitude and have unstable sources :) |
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| 01:35.08 | GutterPunk | cheal, the damn apt howto suggested I should always use aptitude :D |
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| 01:35.29 | cheal | GutterPunk: really? I didn't remember that |
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| 01:35.43 | Azar | GutterPunk: aptitude is good for system/kernel upgrades |
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| 01:36.11 | cheal | !tell mentor about more beer |
| 01:36.20 | SerajewelKS | mentor: thanks |
| 01:36.24 | Azar | thanks mentor |
| 01:36.25 | cheal | haha, the factoid actually exists :D |
| 01:36.26 | fangor | can someone point me to a good newbie guide for building a system optimized kernel? |
| 01:36.30 | GutterPunk | hm, alright, apt-get it is then :) |
| 01:36.51 | Guerin | fangor: newbies don't need system-optimised kernels. What do you want to optimise? |
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| 01:37.38 | fangor | i just and to build a 2.6 kernel for this system, and everytime i do it myself, i screw something up, and i have to use the old one anyways. i can |
| 01:37.46 | SerajewelKS | !debian kernel image |
| 01:37.46 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 01:37.49 | dbron | hi all, what would I change in sshd_config to require users to connect using keys? Everyone know is using them, but password authentication is still enabled. |
| 01:37.50 | Guerin | fangor: just use a debian kenrle |
| 01:38.04 | SerajewelKS | dbron: man sshd_config |
| 01:38.10 | cheal | GutterPunk: where does the APT HOWTO say you should always use aptitude? |
| 01:38.19 | GutterPunk | cheal, hold on |
| 01:38.21 | Azar | fangor: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#INTRO-KERNEL-PKG |
| 01:38.29 | fangor | ty, azar |
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| 01:39.23 | Azar | he just want to play to learn Guerin.. |
| 01:39.27 | Guerin | building a kernel is trivial. Configuring one is hard, and nobody can really teach you how to configure a kernel, since it depends on your hardware. |
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| 01:41.12 | Azar | fangor, the tutorial is old but is good to get a general idea how goes |
| 01:41.35 | Azar | fangor: like Guerin said: nobody bothers building custom kernel nowadays |
| 01:41.58 | freeone3000 | I built one. Once. For gentoo. |
| 01:42.05 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: ? |
| 01:42.25 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: ? |
| 01:42.52 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: /lastlog abrotman .. you were talking about fdisk ? |
| 01:43.03 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: s/abrotman/ambrose/ |
| 01:43.05 | Guerin | well, people still build custom kernels, my only point is that few people NEED to |
| 01:43.16 | GutterPunk | cheal, indeed it doesn't say anything about it... or I just read over it... But I'm not making this up. I read it somewhere in the debian documentation. |
| 01:43.22 | Azar | Guerin: right |
| 01:43.28 | Tortel | hmm, what the hell |
| 01:43.31 | cheal | GutterPunk: ok |
| 01:43.49 | GutterPunk | I'm just trying to read up on this new system, I'm not just experimenting about |
| 01:43.52 | Tortel | apt is taking all of my processor, and still takes 5 minutes to work.... |
| 01:44.07 | Guerin | Tortel: what are you doing? |
| 01:44.12 | Tortel | apt-get update |
| 01:44.15 | Azar | I would imagine the tools have also changed, for the better.. so lod howto kernel tutorials are a bit out of sync |
| 01:44.23 | Azar | s/lod/old |
| 01:44.59 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: ah ok |
| 01:45.00 | Azar | bad connection? |
| 01:45.21 | Guerin | Azar: thankfully, the tools for configuring a kernel haven't changed meaningfully for a good while |
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| 01:46.23 | Azar | at least gcc went up a bit... no more gcc2.5 |
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| 01:46.34 | Guerin | don't mean a thing |
| 01:46.41 | abrotman | if you ain't got that swing |
| 01:46.45 | Tortel | any ideas on why apt takes so long to load and using 100% of my processor? |
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| 01:46.56 | abrotman | Tortel: it's a 486 |
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| 01:47.03 | GutterPunk | lol |
| 01:47.04 | Azar | Tortel: something wrong with your connection? |
| 01:47.05 | Guerin | Tortel: the hamster which runs inside your computer is on strike |
| 01:47.09 | Guerin | or perhaps hibernating |
| 01:47.13 | Azar | :) |
| 01:47.23 | Tortel | 486? |
| 01:47.41 | Azar | Tortel: you connect to the sources and when getting there your cpu is taken hostage? |
| 01:47.45 | danbrwn | what is command for search dpkg for a firewall to install |
| 01:47.45 | Guerin | Tortel: why does my fridge have no salami in it? |
| 01:47.52 | sobersabre | 486 is a power horse.... as far as i remember highschool |
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| 01:48.02 | Guerin | danbrwn: apt-cache search iptables |
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| 01:48.16 | lee_ | danbrwn, sarge has iptables installed by default |
| 01:48.26 | sobersabre | Guerin isn't it apt-cache search firewall ? ;-] |
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| 01:48.32 | britt___ | so does anybody know exim4 very well? |
| 01:48.38 | lee_ | !anyone |
| 01:48.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 01:48.42 | Guerin | sobersabre: dunno. |
| 01:48.44 | Azar | britt___: yes I removed it |
| 01:48.45 | abrotman | sobersabre: /nick drunkensabre? |
| 01:48.51 | danbrwn | lee_, so firewall up and running if sarge 3.1 |
| 01:48.56 | Guerin | britt___: the maintainer knows it *very* well |
| 01:48.58 | lee_ | yes, up and running. |
| 01:49.02 | sobersabre | abrotman overcaffeinatedsabre.... maybe |
| 01:49.11 | Guerin | britt___: I expect the authors are also reasonably good with it. |
| 01:49.17 | [2am] | anyone here ever use mkfs.vfat on 200gb partitions? |
| 01:49.22 | sobersabre | :) |
| 01:49.26 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 01:49.26 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:49.28 | lee_ | but you might want to make some rules to use the "up and running" firewall. |
| 01:49.29 | britt___ | Guerin: do you actually help anyone, or just run your mouth |
| 01:49.36 | Guerin | britt___: yes. |
| 01:49.38 | [2am] | Guerin: hvaing problems is why i ask |
| 01:49.45 | fangor | you simply cant make vfat parts that size |
| 01:49.49 | Tortel | gah |
| 01:49.51 | Tortel | this is getting really annoying, apt is extremely slow, even after I have compiled it |
| 01:49.54 | Guerin | [2am]: look up the filesystem size limits. |
| 01:49.56 | Tortel | (after 5 minutes of apt-get loading) |
| 01:50.04 | Guerin | Tortel: you compiled apt yourself? |
| 01:50.07 | Tortel | yes |
| 01:50.11 | Azar | Tortel: check your connection better, try download some stuff see how it goes |
| 01:50.13 | Guerin | !pal Tortel |
| 01:50.23 | Tortel | !pal Guerin |
| 01:50.26 | [2am] | Guerin: where exactly? |
| 01:50.27 | Guerin | Tortel: this is not a debian issue. |
| 01:50.28 | britt___ | Guerin: good. everytime I send mail from a client computer to my linux box, it either hangs, gives me a 550 error, or says it cannto be found. |
| 01:50.33 | fangor | !pal * |
| 01:50.36 | fangor | heh |
| 01:50.40 | [2am] | reason i ask is i have a 200gb fat32 disk made under windows that i use |
| 01:50.44 | Guerin | britt___: look up what a 55x error means. |
| 01:50.49 | [2am] | (had to make it using partition magic) |
| 01:50.53 | britt___ | relay not accepted |
| 01:50.54 | [2am] | trying to just do it under linux now |
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| 01:51.02 | Woosta | I have to get on this too .. |
| 01:51.03 | Woosta | !pal his willy |
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| 01:51.08 | Guerin | [2am]: how did you make the partition? |
| 01:51.15 | Tortel | Guerin: I compiled apt after I got extremely pissed at its slow-ish ness |
| 01:51.16 | [2am] | fat32 is the only filesystem i can use thats portable btw linux/windows and osx (unless someone has a better recommendation) |
| 01:51.18 | fangor | really? well that's frickin wierd. as far as i know, fat32 has a 120gb limit |
| 01:51.23 | danbrwn | lee_, I have router to inet so only local access needed, any changes to iptables needed? |
| 01:51.24 | britt___ | Guerin: 550 Relay not allowed. |
| 01:51.24 | [2am] | Guerin: partition magic first time |
| 01:51.31 | [2am] | Guerin: this time im trying to use cfdisk |
| 01:51.41 | abrotman | [2am]: fat16! |
| 01:51.53 | [2am] | abrotman: for large disks tho? |
| 01:51.54 | Guerin | Tortel: once you compile apt or the debian tools yourself, you get to support them yourself. If you want #debian support, you need to be using the stock debian tools. |
| 01:51.57 | lee_ | danbrwn, nope |
| 01:52.09 | lee_ | firewall up and running! |
| 01:52.10 | Guerin | britt___: right. So what server is responding with that? |
| 01:52.18 | britt___ | smtp |
| 01:52.27 | Azar | hehe his isp |
| 01:52.30 | Tortel | Guerin: This was an error I have had scence the last apt package update |
| 01:52.36 | britt___ | i can telnet to it and everything |
| 01:52.38 | danbrwn | thanks, how to add local printer to print with |
| 01:52.55 | Guerin | britt___: Host smtp not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 01:53.06 | Guerin | Tortel: using which branch of debian? |
| 01:53.11 | Tortel | etch |
| 01:53.16 | Azar | ew |
| 01:53.17 | britt___ | Guerin: sure.. |
| 01:53.20 | lee_ | !tell danbrwn about cups |
| 01:53.30 | Guerin | britt___: again: which server? |
| 01:53.38 | britt___ | Guerin: exim4 |
| 01:53.42 | fangor | hmm...i guess fat32 DOES work with drives up to 2 TB http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q154997/ |
| 01:53.46 | Guerin | britt___: which fucking IP ADDRESS |
| 01:53.46 | [2am] | Basically I can create a 200gb partition using CFDISK |
| 01:53.49 | danbrwn | thanks, new to linux |
| 01:53.54 | [2am] | and format it using the following command: mkfs.vfat -F 32 -S 32768 -i 80808080 -n Ash -v /dev/hdj1 |
| 01:54.06 | [2am] | but mount complains about a bad superblock when i try to mount |
| 01:54.11 | lee_ | danbrwn, dpkg is a robot. you can ask him questions about things relating to debian |
| 01:54.20 | abrotman | fangor: the format util in XP won't make a filesystem that big |
| 01:54.35 | Guerin | [2am]: the linux vfat code might have a different limit |
| 01:54.48 | fangor | well, obviously partition magic will |
| 01:54.55 | [2am] | Guerin: hmm bummer |
| 01:54.56 | Guerin | [2am]: you don't want a 200g vfat partition anyway ... think of the fsck! |
| 01:55.00 | [2am] | ya. it sux |
| 01:55.10 | [2am] | but ive got no other good way to move files around btw linux/osx/windows |
| 01:55.12 | [2am] | any suggestoins? |
| 01:55.24 | Guerin | [2am]: nfs, samba, ftp? |
| 01:55.34 | britt___ | Guerin: last thing I want is a belligerant haxor on my server |
| 01:55.39 | lee_ | [2am], you try the ext2 driver for Windows and OS X? |
| 01:55.50 | fangor | 2am: you have a computer that runs windows linux AND osx?!?! |
| 01:56.05 | britt___ | [2am]: i've personally tried it and it works, the shell extension not the program |
| 01:56.05 | Tortel | Guerin: I use etch.... |
| 01:56.15 | [2am] | lee_: ya. but its not totally portable |
| 01:56.16 | britt___ | copied a 45GB file from ext3 to windows |
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| 01:56.23 | [2am] | like i have to install it to whatever computer i use |
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| 01:56.39 | beowu1f | how does one increase the size of the buffer history when paging back and forth at bash terminal/prompt |
| 01:56.42 | abrotman | fangor: many people do .. the wonders of virtualPC and vmware are many |
| 01:56.48 | lee_ | [2am], usb disk, three partitions, first hfs+ with OS X ext2 driver, second, ntfs with Windowx ext2 driver, third, ext2 partition with data. done. |
| 01:57.08 | fangor | abrotman: ah, yes. i know the wonders of vmware well |
| 01:57.09 | lee_ | one filesystem to rule them all. |
| 01:57.28 | Guerin | Tortel: remove your custom apt and any other customised things related to it, then reinstall the tools from etch. If the problem persists, file a bug against apt on the BTS, or come back for some more diagnostics. |
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| 01:57.35 | [2am] | lee_: im confused |
| 01:57.39 | [2am] | i want one FS :P |
| 01:57.45 | lee_ | that's cause you can't handle it! |
| 01:57.51 | lee_ | oh damn! |
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| 01:58.12 | Guerin | throw away all your OSX and windows installs |
| 01:58.15 | Guerin | simple |
| 01:58.41 | fangor | everyone should just use vt100 anyways. its more hardcore. |
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| 01:59.24 | abrotman | Guerin: it includes a number higher than the average IQ currently involved in discussion ? |
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| 01:59.52 | Guerin | abrotman: so does "Spirit of '76" |
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| 02:00.01 | cheal | haha |
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| 02:00.10 | [2am] | Guerin: thats not an option |
| 02:00.10 | abrotman | Guerin: hhe |
| 02:00.15 | Fluten | What command do i use to change the default console keyboard layout from us to another layout like dvorak? |
| 02:00.20 | [2am] | lee_: how's the write support for ntfs? |
| 02:00.42 | lee_ | sucky |
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| 02:00.51 | lee_ | but you don't use ntfs, you use ext2/3 |
| 02:00.58 | [2am] | i see |
| 02:01.04 | Tortel | i think I have ex3 |
| 02:01.07 | Tortel | *ext3 |
| 02:01.19 | [2am] | so theres not one FS i can use to write on from windows/osx and linux? |
| 02:01.30 | Tortel | not for all 3 |
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| 02:01.39 | Tortel | possoibly for 2 at once |
| 02:01.40 | lee_ | arghhhh! |
| 02:01.42 | Fluten | can osx do fat32? |
| 02:01.43 | amphi | Tortel: fat32 perhaps |
| 02:01.44 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 02:01.44 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 02:01.45 | lee_ | ext2! |
| 02:01.57 | lee_ | install the ext2 driver for OS X, check. |
| 02:02.01 | [2am] | Fluten: ya. |
| 02:02.05 | sobersabre | Fluten try #osx |
| 02:02.06 | lee_ | install the ext2 driver for Windows, check |
| 02:02.14 | [2am] | lee_: i mean native, sorry |
| 02:02.16 | lee_ | put your data on an ext2 partition! |
| 02:02.27 | Tortel | ext2 driver for windows??!? |
| 02:02.27 | [2am] | its my external, so i use it to go transport data around from friends, etc |
| 02:02.28 | lee_ | now you're just getting bitchy... |
| 02:02.29 | Fluten | sobersabre, was just wondering if it could, i don't use osx myself |
| 02:02.29 | Tortel | where? |
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| 02:02.52 | sobersabre | Fluten still, the answer should be there... |
| 02:02.52 | lee_ | [2am], that's why you put the ext2 driver installer for OS X and Windows on the first two partitions of the external! |
| 02:03.07 | [2am] | lee_: oh i get what you're saying now |
| 02:03.09 | [2am] | interesting |
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| 02:03.12 | [2am] | does it require a reboot? |
| 02:03.22 | lee_ | of course it does, it's a kernel driver |
| 02:03.22 | [2am] | i can put the ext2 driver on my little flashdisk |
| 02:03.27 | [2am] | got it |
| 02:03.35 | Tortel | with linux, only kernel upgrades need reboots |
| 02:03.45 | lee_ | fat32 is good for small stuff |
| 02:03.47 | Guerin | and hardware changes |
| 02:03.52 | Tortel | well, yeah |
| 02:03.55 | Guerin | and some bizarre networking configurations |
| 02:03.56 | [2am] | lee_: ya. my TB array is ext3 |
| 02:03.57 | lee_ | but for a read hard disk this is the only way ATM. |
| 02:04.03 | lee_ | s/read/real/ |
| 02:04.11 | [2am] | but my portable i wanted to go small ;P |
| 02:04.19 | [2am] | err. go fat32 |
| 02:04.26 | [2am] | ill give the ext3 shit a try toh |
| 02:04.35 | [2am] | the 4gb filelimit on fat32 drove me bonkers |
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| 02:04.59 | Jambon | ok, i need someone to help settle an argument: I'm using elive (which is debian etch), and i wanted to know whether or not apt could handle an entire dist upgrade from 0.3 to 0.4. I guess it would be similar to switching from etch to sid, but I'm not entirely sure on that point. |
| 02:05.00 | britt___ | [2am]: what 4GB limit on fat32 |
| 02:05.13 | [2am] | britt: u cant have files bigger than 4gb on fat32 |
| 02:05.20 | lee_ | there are many mysterious size limit on fat32, depending on which program formats it. |
| 02:05.21 | britt___ | ohyeah. lol |
| 02:05.21 | abrotman | [2am]: there is no limit .. |
| 02:05.23 | [2am] | so dvd iso's bork whatever |
| 02:05.33 | Jambon | it's a 32 bit filesystem, like you can't have more than 4 gigs of ram |
| 02:05.36 | britt___ | I found that otu the hardway, when i tried to copy a 45GB file to fat32 |
| 02:05.37 | Guerin | Jambon: 0.3 to 0.4 what? |
| 02:05.42 | abrotman | [2am]: the windows formatted can't do more than 4GB .. linux can .. i have a 160GB fat32 drive in my closet |
| 02:05.45 | cheal | Jambon: what do you mean? "elive (which is debian etch)"? |
| 02:05.46 | [2am] | http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_tdrn.asp |
| 02:05.47 | Guerin | Jambon: debian is currently 3.1 |
| 02:05.51 | abrotman | [2am]: the windows formatted can't do more than 4GB .. linux can .. i have a 160GB fat32 drive in my closet |
| 02:05.55 | Guerin | elive is a livecd |
| 02:06.02 | abrotman | get it yet? |
| 02:06.03 | cheal | !elive |
| 02:06.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, elive is a livecd (installable) project and a perfectly distro based in debian and have only the enlightenment WM for managing all the system, utilities, libs, instalation, programation in EFL... the best distro in the world for this moments :) |
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| 02:06.15 | [2am] | abrotman: |
| 02:06.15 | [2am] | > Table 13.6 FAT32 Size Limits |
| 02:06.15 | [2am] | > DescriptionLimit |
| 02:06.16 | [2am] | > Maximum file size a-atwood4 GB minus 1 byte (232 bytes minus 1 byte) |
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| 02:06.16 | gravity | "perfectly distro"? |
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| 02:06.23 | [2am] | oh sorry |
| 02:06.23 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:06.25 | abrotman | !win me |
| 02:06.25 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 02:06.28 | britt___ | Guerin: did you get that? |
| 02:06.30 | [2am] | Maximum file size a-atwood4 GB minus 1 byte (232 bytes minus 1 byte) |
| 02:06.35 | gravity | That factoid needs better English |
| 02:06.36 | Guerin | britt___: get what? |
| 02:06.37 | [2am] | not talking aobut partition size, file size |
| 02:06.41 | britt___ | my pm |
| 02:06.45 | [2am] | abrotman: so how did u format your 160gb disk? |
| 02:06.46 | abrotman | [2am]: oh .. nevermind |
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| 02:06.49 | [2am] | (using linux) |
| 02:06.52 | cheal | gravity: I was distracted by that too |
| 02:06.53 | Tortel | !win noone |
| 02:06.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, noone! You have won the US presidency! |
| 02:07.04 | abrotman | [2am]: i have 160GB partition .. not 160GB file . use the linux formatter .. mkfs.vfat |
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| 02:07.16 | [2am] | abrotman: hah. so this is going back to my original question |
| 02:07.19 | abrotman | [2am]: can you pick a nick without stupid damn characters in it ? |
| 02:07.22 | Guerin | !tranquilise abrotman |
| 02:07.30 | abrotman | Guerin: mmm beer |
| 02:07.32 | Guerin | damn, that's a lot o' dope |
| 02:07.35 | Jambon | chel: elive is a debian etch distro where they take debian etch an install enlightenment on top of it. The packages for it an in line with debian etch elive is currently in 0.3, but will be 0.4 next week. Major changes, like alsoconf, and maybe a new kernel |
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| 02:07.49 | abrotman | beowu1f: huh? |
| 02:07.55 | two_am | abrotman: so i tried 'mkfs.vfat -F 32 -v /dev/hdj1' |
| 02:08.00 | two_am | but then tried to 'mount |
| 02:08.03 | cheal | Jambon: try asking #elive. the only debian etch distro I know is Etch. |
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| 02:08.15 | two_am | and i get 'mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdj1, missing codepage or other error' |
| 02:08.17 | two_am | any suggestions? |
| 02:08.18 | Guerin | Jambon: we can't speculate on whether non-debian systems will work when upgrading between versions. |
| 02:08.24 | abrotman | two_am: did you use fdisk first? |
| 02:08.30 | two_am | abrotman: cfdisk |
| 02:08.33 | two_am | made a big partition |
| 02:08.35 | Jambon | well apt can handle etch to sid no? |
| 02:08.37 | two_am | type 0B |
| 02:08.47 | two_am | (strangely named like womens' tampons) |
| 02:08.49 | cheal | Jambon: depending on their state |
| 02:08.55 | Guerin | Jambon: it works with ebian, but that's because an insane amount of work goes into ensuring that package versions and conflicts and provides are handled correctly. |
| 02:09.04 | sobersabre | hm ... i forgot it: what's the key sequence for code completion in vim ? |
| 02:09.04 | sobersabre | gravity it's a bot... it's not a human... you know... |
| 02:09.30 | britt___ | Guerin: my pm, should i send it again? |
| 02:09.31 | Guerin | sobersabre: i think gravity might be aware of that |
| 02:09.50 | Fluten | how can i scroll up in an xterm without a scroll wheel on my mouse? |
| 02:09.54 | Guerin | britt___: don't pm me, ask in channel. First you need to answer my question: what server gives you the 550? |
| 02:09.57 | sobersabre | hmm,.. I am aware of gravity, anyway... |
| 02:10.05 | britt___ | oh its on my apple |
| 02:10.05 | abrotman | two_am: mkfs.vfat /dev/hdj1 .. should work |
| 02:10.08 | Guerin | Fluten: shift pgup/pgdn |
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| 02:10.15 | britt___ | i try to send mail, and it gives me the 550 |
| 02:10.20 | dw_ | on daapd, people can play music just fine with itunes, but downloads with mytunes aren't working. Anyone know why? |
| 02:10.21 | two_am | abrotman: tried that but 'mount' barfs |
| 02:10.30 | Jambon | Guerin: to basically it's up to the distro maintainers to make sure that their repos handle the upgrade correctly. It IS possible, but may not be if the dist-upgrade instruction arent correctly written? Am I even close? |
| 02:10.30 | Guerin | britt___: so configure that server to allow your machine(s) to relay |
| 02:10.36 | abrotman | two_am: why? |
| 02:10.49 | gravity | sobersabre: You know... a human has to put that factoid in to the bot... bad English and all |
| 02:11.03 | britt___ | Guerin: by IP address? wghat if my router IP changed addresses... |
| 02:11.10 | Fluten | Guerin, thankyou |
| 02:11.16 | Guerin | Jambon: the dist-upgrade instructions aren't the problem - it's about the way each package is crafted. But it certainly is possible, and as the size of the package repository decreases, it tends to get easier. |
| 02:11.25 | two_am | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1809 |
| 02:11.26 | Guerin | britt___: give it a range |
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| 02:11.38 | britt___ | cani just do everybody |
| 02:11.52 | britt___ | and have it authenticate logins |
| 02:11.56 | abrotman | two_am: did you format it? |
| 02:12.12 | Guerin | britt___: no, that's what's called an 'open relay', and will get your arse busted for being a spammer |
| 02:12.16 | two_am | ya. with mkfs.vfat /dev/hdj1 as just described |
| 02:12.19 | Jambon | Guerin: so it would be more an issue of packages that may not be upgraded or changed conflicting with the changes? |
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| 02:12.25 | britt___ | is this the "machines to relay for" area |
| 02:12.29 | Guerin | britt___: oh, if you use smtp auth, that can work. |
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| 02:12.41 | Fluten | rsync almost deleted my whole home directory :( |
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| 02:12.56 | Guerin | Fluten: nope. You almost deleted it USING rsync. |
| 02:13.04 | britt___ | Fluten: saved my arse several times too |
| 02:13.17 | britt___ | Guerin: whats the syntax for all machines? |
| 02:13.18 | ian_ | I need an additional "route add -net ..." command to make an interface functional. where does that belong in the startup scripts? can it go into /etc/network/interfaces somehow? |
| 02:13.27 | britt___ | IPs... |
| 02:13.30 | Fluten | at least i had backups. it would of been fun to have it delete it all and have no backups |
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| 02:13.46 | abrotman | two_am: and no errors from that? |
| 02:13.55 | two_am | abrotman: nope, none |
| 02:14.02 | two_am | hmm |
| 02:14.03 | Guerin | britt__: * or 0.0.0.0 |
| 02:14.07 | abrotman | two_am: fdisk -l /dev/hdj |
| 02:14.07 | two_am | actually i just realized |
| 02:14.13 | two_am | Feb 12 18:10:31 localhost kernel: FAT: codepage cp437 not found |
| 02:14.22 | two_am | that could do it i think |
| 02:14.47 | two_am | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1810 |
| 02:14.53 | Guerin | ian_: put it in an 'up' statement in interfaces |
| 02:15.00 | Guerin | ian_: it's in the manpage |
| 02:15.03 | stumbles | how do people do regular website update when they only have ftp access? is there a way to do that is as convenient as rsync? |
| 02:15.10 | abrotman | two_am: seems kosher to me |
| 02:15.20 | Guerin | stumbles: if you have a proper ftp client, it's easy |
| 02:15.23 | hgabert | I am having troubles getting kernel-source-2.6.8-2-386... my mirror does not have it |
| 02:15.28 | two_am | abrotman: gonna try to fix the codepage |
| 02:15.33 | two_am | if not then will just rever to ext3 |
| 02:15.50 | Guerin | hgabert: what branch of debian are you using? |
| 02:15.59 | stumbles | Guerin: what client do you use then? |
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| 02:16.12 | hgabert | I am not sure what branch is (I am VERY new), but I am using Sarge 31r1 |
| 02:16.16 | hgabert | 3.1 r1 |
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| 02:16.43 | hgabert | my kernel version is 2.6.8-2 |
| 02:16.56 | hgabert | 2.6.8-2-386* |
| 02:17.05 | Guerin | hgabert: apt-cache search kernel-source 2.6.8 |
| 02:17.13 | Guerin | hgabert: apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 02:17.29 | hgabert | I can get kernel-source-2.6.8 ... but is it not different from 2.6.8-2? |
| 02:17.37 | Guerin | hgabert: the -2-386 bit is only relevant to the compiled kernel, not the source |
| 02:17.38 | hgabert | (I am trying to install ALSA) |
| 02:17.43 | hgabert | okay |
| 02:17.51 | ian_ | what's the right IP / Netmask to match 11.35.* and 11.36.* only? |
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| 02:18.01 | hgabert | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/kasimir/Desktop/alsa-driver-1.0.9rc4a' |
| 02:18.01 | hgabert | make -C /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source SUBDIRS=/home/kasimir/Desktop/alsa-driver-1.0.9rc4a O=/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build modules |
| 02:18.01 | hgabert | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 02:18.02 | hgabert | make: *** [compile] Error 2 |
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| 02:18.09 | Guerin | hgabert: alsa is in debian sarge already. it's already in that kernel/ |
| 02:18.09 | SerajewelKS | ian_: apt-get install gip |
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| 02:18.20 | Guerin | helix: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 02:18.25 | bbrazil | ian_: 255.254 ? |
| 02:18.30 | hgabert | okay |
| 02:18.51 | Guerin | helix: sorry. |
| 02:19.01 | sobersabre | byebye all. |
| 02:19.11 | xeltran | hi? |
| 02:19.17 | EleckttrusS | http://people.debian.org/~fjp/d-i/gtk-miniiso/daily/i386/mini.iso |
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| 02:19.37 | britt___ | Guerin: i tried specifing a IP and doing both 0.0.0.0 and * and it still wont allow the relay |
| 02:19.43 | SerajewelKS | ian_: there is no subnet for that range |
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| 02:20.18 | SerajewelKS | ian_: err |
| 02:20.23 | juice` | my remote system doesnt want to get up and i have nothing in /var/log/dmesg when i run rescue mode (option from provider's control panel to boot livecd). Any idea what i could do to actually see whats wrong? |
| 02:20.32 | hgabert | ... installing alsa-utils requires me to remove gnome |
| 02:20.34 | ian_ | SerajewelKS: yeah I'm not really sure what I'm doing here, right now it's using 11.0.0.0 / 255.0.0.0 |
| 02:20.41 | juice` | i suspect something with disks, mounting or something since no dmesg is even made |
| 02:20.44 | SerajewelKS | ian_: 11.35.0.0/15 |
| 02:21.03 | SerajewelKS | ian_: aka 11.35.0.0/255.254.0.0 |
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| 02:21.59 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 02:21.59 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 02:22.06 | juice` | i already reinstalled devfsd (don't even know why i had it), udev and remade all devices in /dev just for sure. and its still nothing. |
| 02:22.26 | juice` | abrotman: are you showing it to me? :) |
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| 02:22.38 | dw_ | I wonder if it'd be possible to conclude that debian is not knoppix from that factoid ;-) |
| 02:22.43 | abrotman | juice`: no |
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| 02:23.18 | dw_ | knoppix is also a lot more debian than mandriva is -- that's just a silly statement. |
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| 02:23.39 | juice` | oh. ok.. |
| 02:23.42 | Guerin | dw_: why? both mandriva and red hat use rpm |
| 02:23.42 | britt____ | Guerin: still nothing. did you say anthing while I was gone? |
| 02:23.47 | Guerin | britt____: nope. |
| 02:23.56 | two_am | hey. dumb question here... |
| 02:24.02 | two_am | its been ages since ive played with modprobe |
| 02:24.12 | two_am | just compiled /lib/modules/2.6.12.3/kernel/fs/nls/nls_cp437.ko |
| 02:24.14 | Guerin | two_am: there are no dumb questions, only dumb people |
| 02:24.18 | two_am | how come i cant insmod it? |
| 02:24.29 | Guerin | !insmod |
| 02:24.29 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 02:24.48 | dw_ | Guerin: ok, now I misread it :P. Terrible hostile general tone I've seen to debian-derivates from debian; a little sad to see :( |
| 02:24.51 | two_am | well i tried modprobe nls_cp437.ko |
| 02:25.02 | SerajewelKS | two_am: s/\.ko// |
| 02:25.08 | two_am | ah ha |
| 02:25.21 | two_am | stil getting: modprobe: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 02:25.22 | Guerin | dw_: not really hostile ... it's just that subtlety simply does not work when trying to get the users of debian-based distros to ask in their own channels. |
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| 02:26.12 | Guerin | !QM_MODULES |
| 02:26.13 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or if you are using woody you must upgrade to sarge to use a 2.6 kernel, ask me about woody->sarge |
| 02:26.13 | dw_ | Guerin: it's good as a general policy, but I don't think it should be necessary as an absolute |
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| 02:26.38 | ian_ | Guerin: thanks, the 'up' thing did it |
| 02:26.38 | Guerin | dw_: where is the line? "Oh, ubuntu isn't ok but damnsmallinux is." Right? |
| 02:26.46 | Guerin | ian_: nice. |
| 02:27.08 | dw_ | Guerin: what do you mean? |
| 02:27.15 | MadAdder | #disconnect |
| 02:27.26 | ian_ | SerajewelKS: thanks to you as well |
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| 02:27.35 | SerajewelKS | ian_: np |
| 02:27.54 | Guerin | dw_: well, you say it's not necessary as an absolute. You mean we should support some non-debian stuff and not other stuff? |
| 02:28.05 | chino | how how do i print out where files are in my sysmet for a certain pacakge ? |
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| 02:28.11 | mhall | does anybody know a channel i can go to for help talking through a preliminary design idea for a large OOP software project |
| 02:28.13 | Guerin | chino: dpkg -L |
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| 02:28.26 | SerajewelKS | sysmet... haha |
| 02:28.30 | Guerin | mhall: #lang |
| 02:28.43 | mhall | Guerin: ok sweet |
| 02:28.46 | Guerin | mhall: where lang=C++ or whatever |
| 02:28.47 | chino | what is the name for jre ? |
| 02:28.57 | two_am | hmm |
| 02:28.59 | two_am | sucky |
| 02:29.01 | Guerin | chino: dpkg -l |grep jre |
| 02:29.02 | mhall | Guerin: it's language independent still |
| 02:29.02 | SerajewelKS | chino: what? |
| 02:29.07 | Guerin | mhall: oh. |
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| 02:29.14 | mhall | Guerin: i just need to figure out what objects and classes to use |
| 02:29.16 | dw_ | Guerin: not saying you should support it; I'm saying that if a question is relevant to Debian as well, a lot of the time it wouldn't hurt to get help here. i.e. if distro X does something in the same way that Z does it, it couldn't hurt to ask help for it in X's channel |
| 02:29.19 | chino | i dotn have it |
| 02:29.21 | chino | i need jre |
| 02:29.23 | Guerin | mhall: perhaps #gnu or somesuch |
| 02:29.29 | Guerin | chino: /msg dpkg java |
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| 02:29.35 | Bucciarati | "dpkg | grep" is for weenies.. use "dpkg -l *glob*" |
| 02:29.39 | mhall | Guerin: i almost need something like #devel |
| 02:29.46 | mhall | Guerin: as opposed to #foo-devel |
| 02:29.54 | Guerin | dw_: but we typically have no way of knowing what other distros do the same and differently |
| 02:30.06 | Dewi | where is a backup tutorial for debian which tells me what I need to know about backing up user accounts (and /etc/shadow...) |
| 02:30.08 | SerajewelKS | mhall: C#! |
| 02:30.12 | dw_ | Guerin: sure; the onus is of course on the user to find that out. |
| 02:30.15 | gravity | dw_: All too often there are distro-specific bugs at fault |
| 02:30.17 | Guerin | dw_: haha |
| 02:30.22 | mhall | Guerin: i'm just hoping by talking to somebody that did it already i can figure out my idiocies ahead of time |
| 02:30.26 | mhall | Guerin: and curb much suffering |
| 02:30.38 | Guerin | dw_: you're talking about users who come to debian because they think their OS *IS* debian |
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| 02:30.49 | dw_ | nope :D |
| 02:30.57 | chino | yea but where is it located ? |
| 02:31.01 | chino | i cant find /usr/lib/java |
| 02:31.11 | Guerin | mhall: find the development group of a similar project? |
| 02:31.15 | mhall | chino: java is non-free chief |
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| 02:31.20 | chino | what |
| 02:31.21 | chino | what? |
| 02:31.22 | Guerin | chino: have you installed sun java? |
| 02:31.23 | delire | the person who wrote this should be granted a monument in their image, annointed and/or otherwise given the status of a Saint: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 02:31.26 | mhall | Guerin: yes i suppose it's a good idea |
| 02:31.30 | chino | i installed 'apt-get install java-package' |
| 02:31.31 | Nopalin | hey, exist default user in postgresql ? i try to create one with user root, but say me that user root isn't exist |
| 02:31.31 | mhall | !tell chino about nonfree |
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| 02:31.35 | mhall | !tell chino about java |
| 02:31.38 | mhall | !tell chino about java-package |
| 02:31.40 | chino | i read it ! |
| 02:31.40 | avarab | why would xmms not be playing some mp3 files that it did on a non-debian system, IIRC I need some mp3 decoding package |
| 02:31.47 | delire | takes the output of 'lspci -n' and returns suitable drivers.. |
| 02:31.48 | mhall | !tell chino about documentation |
| 02:31.52 | mhall | !tell chino about google |
| 02:32.05 | Dewi | mhall: hmm |
| 02:32.06 | chino | !tell chino how to look at the files in his packages |
| 02:32.06 | Guerin | avarab: apt-cache search xmms mp3 |
| 02:32.20 | Guerin | chino: dude, we already told you |
| 02:32.21 | mhall | Dewi: yes? |
| 02:32.22 | fangor | perl keeps complaining to me that "warning: setting locale failed". how do i fix this? |
| 02:32.24 | Dewi | mhall: last time I googled debian and java I got the "debian java faq" which didn't even mentioned java-package |
| 02:32.27 | chino | dude where ? |
| 02:32.33 | two_am | whowhoo |
| 02:32.35 | two_am | finally worked ::P |
| 02:32.35 | Guerin | dude above |
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| 02:32.39 | Dewi | mhall: and those factoids at the time were not so good |
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| 02:32.41 | chino | dude where dude |
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| 02:32.56 | avarab | Guerin: yeah, tried that, but which one is it? |
| 02:32.58 | juice` | my remote system doesnt want to get up and i have nothing in /var/log/dmesg when i run rescue mode (option from provider's control panel to boot livecd). Any idea what i could do to actually see whats wrong? |
| 02:32.59 | mhall | fangor: answer pending; please hold |
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| 02:33.01 | _unstable | What is a good simple program to switch from one window manager to another easily? |
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| 02:33.12 | Guerin | chino: dpkg -l |grep jre to find the name of the package |
| 02:33.19 | Dewi | mhall: they're okay now though |
| 02:33.22 | Guerin | then dpkg -L packagename to see what's in it |
| 02:33.30 | chino | Guerin: HOW DO I LOOK AT THE FILES IN JAVA-PACKAGE ? |
| 02:33.33 | mhall | Dewi: java package is new i believe |
| 02:33.48 | mhall | chino: man make-jpkg |
| 02:34.04 | gravity | chino: dpkg -L java-package? |
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| 02:34.07 | mhall | chino: java.sun.com |
| 02:34.12 | korozion | anyone know of a good howto for exim and Sarge? |
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| 02:34.23 | Guerin | chino: what part of 'packagename' is unclear? |
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| 02:34.39 | Dewi | mhall: this one I'm talking about, has a great pagerank but nothing on java-package. Which, IMO is an awesome package: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ |
| 02:34.42 | mhall | fangor: apt-get install locales && dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales |
| 02:34.49 | britt____ | Guerin: since you use exim, is there anything else I need to check besides inetd.conf and exim4-config |
| 02:34.57 | mhall | fangor: select the ones appropriate to your location and preferred text encoding |
| 02:35.00 | Guerin | _unstable: openbox and some other windowmanagers have the facility to change windowmanagers on the go |
| 02:35.04 | mhall | fangor: then in theory perl will STFU |
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| 02:35.13 | Guerin | britt____: actually, I don't use exim4 - I use postfix. |
| 02:35.15 | mhall | Dewi: yes java-package rules |
| 02:35.23 | mhall | Dewi: can you submit a bug on it or something |
| 02:35.25 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | hi, ive got a LOG rule in my iptables, but i've killed the sysklogd and restarted it, but now my firewall drop logs wont log to kern.log what can i do? dmesg still reports them |
| 02:35.30 | mhall | Dewi: or make a patch |
| 02:35.31 | tuv | chino: you download jre or jdk from java.sun.com. then you install java-package, then you run "make-jpkg <filename-downloaded-from-java.sun.com>, then you install the resulted .deb file: "dpkg -i <resulted-file.deb> |
| 02:35.41 | mhall | Dewi: or email its author a hunk of text |
| 02:35.44 | mhall | Dewi: i'll help |
| 02:35.46 | dw_ | on daapd, people can play music just fine with itunes, but downloads with mytunes aren't working. Anyone know why? |
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| 02:35.50 | Guerin | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: restart iptables |
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| 02:36.05 | mhall | tuv: damn you we were trying to get him to do research and practice |
| 02:36.12 | britt____ | so who here actually uses exim4 and coudl giev me deatiled help on how to both allow everybody in (relay all machines0 and then restrict it to one or two IPs |
| 02:36.20 | LinuxKeitaro | trying to get wireless to work. I've installed wireless-tools and also confirmed via lspci -v that it's a prism card. Downloaded 2.7.0.0.arm from prism54.org and put it in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware and renamed the file to isl3890 |
| 02:36.21 | Guerin | eew, *tunes |
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| 02:36.26 | LinuxKeitaro | now what do I need to do? |
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| 02:36.27 | Dewi | mhall: I'll write down a note to do so... and now I should probably get back to work |
| 02:36.27 | tuv | mhall: obviously it wasn't working! |
| 02:36.31 | korozion | britt___ I'm looking for a howto myself :S |
| 02:36.33 | Acid`X | how can i reconfigure my locale settings? |
| 02:36.39 | mhall | tuv: then he should get the shaft |
| 02:36.43 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | Guerin that's new for me, i thought iptables was a part of kernel :x how can i restart them, there isn't a rule in /etc/init.d |
| 02:36.45 | bbrazil | Acid`X: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:36.45 | mhall | Acid`X: dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales |
| 02:36.49 | dw_ | Guerin: I prefer others, but Windoze users use it, so need to be able to support them if I want them to have my music ;-) |
| 02:36.54 | britt____ | korozion: this has bugged me for two or three years |
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| 02:37.09 | korozion | ewww |
| 02:37.14 | Azar | korozion: http://www.exim.org/ |
| 02:37.18 | delire | LinuxKeitaro: you might want to check the reccomended driver using this util: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 02:37.25 | _unstable | Guerin: yea I use fluxbox...and I can switch to other window managers easy...like my gf doesn't like to use hotkeys, so she uses xfce4...but I can't easily switch from xfce4 back to fluxbox...I don't want to login/logout. |
| 02:37.29 | korozion | I've used postfix and qmail on large scales, but I want to try exim here at home |
| 02:37.40 | delire | LinuxKeitaro: what does 'iwconfig' say? |
| 02:37.41 | Guerin | britt____: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config; choosing 'internet site' or whatever it is should allow you to accept mail from *, then you can add a list of hosts which you'll allow to relay to the internet |
| 02:37.47 | Acid`X | mhall: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 02:37.55 | Guerin | _unstable: you might be able to write a script for it |
| 02:38.05 | korozion | Azar I was kinda looking for something more geared towards a howto, and Debian |
| 02:38.07 | britt____ | Guerin: thats what I set it to at the beginning |
| 02:38.17 | LinuxKeitaro | iwconfig says NOT READY! ESSID: off/any and the rest of the stuff it's supposed to say |
| 02:38.19 | Guerin | _unstable: britt____ but you didn't set it correctly, apparently |
| 02:38.28 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:38.31 | Azar | korozion: http://www.debian.org/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-mail |
| 02:38.33 | britt____ | Guerin: apparently |
| 02:38.33 | Guerin | _unstable: sorry |
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| 02:38.43 | juice` | does anyone know where can i find options for mdadm if i have RAID on / ? ;) |
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| 02:38.56 | korozion | 404 :( |
| 02:39.02 | Guerin | !hcl |
| 02:39.02 | dpkg | somebody said hcl was at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel |
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| 02:39.09 | delire | LinuxKeitaro: right, so 'iwlist scanning' would return nothing in that case.. |
| 02:39.09 | Guerin | !hcl is also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 02:39.10 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 02:39.13 | mhall | Acid`X: apt-get install --reinstall locales |
| 02:39.19 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 02:39.19 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 02:39.19 | mhall | Acid`X: dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales |
| 02:39.22 | juice` | the /etc/mdadm.conf is not a good choice, as it is on the / itself, which is not accessible before mounting |
| 02:39.22 | abrotman | Guerin: ^^ |
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| 02:39.29 | Guerin | abrotman: win. |
| 02:39.33 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.36 | abrotman | Guerin: it's been there a while i think |
| 02:39.36 | LinuxKeitaro | delire - yes |
| 02:39.40 | abrotman | !factinfo which driver |
| 02:39.40 | dpkg | which driver -- created by valdyn <n=valdyn@ppp-82-135-2-163.mnet-online.de> at Fri Dec 9 16:37:11 2005 (65 days). |
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| 02:39.47 | Guerin | cripes |
| 02:39.50 | korozion | Azar 404 |
| 02:39.50 | Guerin | so it has |
| 02:39.54 | LinuxKeitaro | delire - an I did try it, but said nothign |
| 02:40.10 | Azar | korozion: sorry: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-mail |
| 02:40.18 | LinuxKeitaro | delire - for the webpage you gave me i tconfirms what I said |
| 02:40.19 | free-mind | folks, anyone know a console text reader? |
| 02:40.22 | delire | abrotman: hate to spam, but have you seen this? http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/. a good util for kids in here.. |
| 02:40.28 | LinuxKeitaro | prism54 drive and ISL3890 |
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| 02:40.34 | delire | LinuxKeitaro: right.. |
| 02:40.34 | LinuxKeitaro | odes it have to be ISL instead of isl? |
| 02:40.37 | fangor | mhall: thanks, looks like it did SOMETHING, but i wont know until i find something else to install |
| 02:40.53 | mhall | fangor: apt-get install --reinstall it :-) |
| 02:40.56 | abrotman | delire: huh ? |
| 02:40.56 | korozion | Azar ahh, that works. I'll check that out, thanks |
| 02:41.18 | Dewi | is there some way to make xargs consider '\n' as a filename separator but NOT space? |
| 02:41.29 | delire | LinuxKeitaro: i would doubt it.. i have used a prism54 card, but really they are not all alike. on occassion they need a bit of massaging. |
| 02:41.33 | Dewi | sometimes -0 is really not useful |
| 02:41.41 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | Guerin, you CANT restart iptables.. so how can i let its logs go to kern.log again? :s |
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| 02:42.03 | britt____ | Dewi: i did this this morning |
| 02:42.05 | mhall | delire: that link is wtfpwnage |
| 02:42.07 | LinuxKeitaro | delire - I had this working when the laptop was fedora, but I don't remember - I think it had something to do w/ the name of the firmware or something like that |
| 02:42.15 | zinx | Dewi: man page says -d |
| 02:42.17 | delire | mhall: love that stuff.. |
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| 02:42.28 | mhall | delire: let's add it to the bot |
| 02:42.30 | Acid`X | mhall: while installing x-window i got a lot of errors cuz of that, do i have to fix anything else? |
| 02:42.30 | delire | mhall: those kids should be knighted for writing that. |
| 02:42.30 | britt____ | Dewi: you have to do a IFS="#" before you do your shell script or whatever |
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| 02:42.40 | delire | mhall: that would be smart |
| 02:42.46 | LinuxKeitaro | dlire - should I reboot w/ the card in? |
| 02:42.56 | Guerin | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: you can so restart iptables |
| 02:43.05 | delire | LinuxKeitaro: why not.. however you might as well restart PCMCIA services first.. |
| 02:43.05 | britt____ | Dewi: "#" = <real newline> |
| 02:43.05 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | how? |
| 02:43.07 | mhall | dpkg: driver locator is http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ will tell you what drivers you need if your computer has PCI |
| 02:43.07 | dpkg | okay, mhall |
| 02:43.17 | delire | mhall: cool ;) |
| 02:43.18 | mhall | delire: there we go |
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| 02:43.30 | mhall | delire: we made the little bastard 0.001% smarter |
| 02:43.38 | delire | mhall: he's getting there ;) |
| 02:43.44 | Guerin | mhall: wtf |
| 02:43.51 | mhall | delire: only because of how smart he was before, not because it was a bad factoid |
| 02:43.52 | Guerin | mhall: it was already in there TWICE |
| 02:44.00 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | Guerin sorry but i dont know how to restart iptables (i thought it was part of the kernel..) |
| 02:44.09 | mhall | !abuse mhall |
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| 02:44.22 | britt____ | Guerin: would not having a MX record be screwing me up? |
| 02:44.22 | Azar | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: read man iptables |
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| 02:44.26 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | ok thnx |
| 02:44.27 | mhall | Guerin: sorry about it |
| 02:44.32 | Guerin | britt____: um, yes. |
| 02:44.55 | delire | Guerin: i don't see people using it.. what is the factoid name(s)? |
| 02:45.00 | Guerin | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: /etc/init.d/youriptablespackage restart |
| 02:45.03 | mhall | there are two problems with dpkg'd knowledge |
| 02:45.09 | britt____ | Guerin: someone told me that if the MX record was server1, server1 then its not needed. |
| 02:45.11 | mhall | it's a huge amount of trivia |
| 02:45.20 | mhall | and it's essentially impossible to search |
| 02:45.29 | Guerin | delire: hcl and which driver |
| 02:45.30 | delire | mhall: precis.. |
| 02:45.35 | mhall | so we need to make a tool called doogle that lets you search the dpkg database |
| 02:45.38 | delire | Guerin: ok, noted |
| 02:45.50 | delire | !tell delire about hcl |
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| 02:45.55 | mhall | is there anybody else who can help me with this that's not teh sux at web programming |
| 02:45.58 | Guerin | britt____: you won't recieve email at your local site by smtp without a MX record. |
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| 02:46.43 | KerPlunk | I just installed testing...and my sound doesn't work...but sound worked on this laptop before...I installed alsa-base and alsa-utils...and alsa-mixer shows all the sound up...I thought I used snd-pcm-oss on this laptop...so I modprobed this and tried to play a movie...the video shows fine but there is no audio...any ideas? |
| 02:47.20 | ice_1963 | well install alsa |
| 02:47.24 | bbrazil | mhall: http://www.doogle.org/ :) |
| 02:47.28 | Guerin | KerPlunk: /msg dpkg soundcheck |
| 02:47.31 | delire | KerPlunk: not running a Realtek HDA card by any chance? |
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| 02:47.58 | delire | KerPlunk: /msg dpkg soundcheck |
| 02:48.02 | KerPlunk | delire: no |
| 02:48.06 | almacscott | hi, i have a ibook g4 (ppc) and i want to add a server into the sources.list. The server that i want to add, doesn't contain the binary-powerpc directory but binary-sh, how could i specify that in my sources.list ? |
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| 02:48.38 | Guerin | binary-sh? |
| 02:48.40 | delire | KerPlunk: right.. i only ask as this is an issue common with that card. |
| 02:48.42 | Guerin | wtf is that? |
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| 02:48.51 | KerPlunk | It didn't fail. |
| 02:48.59 | Guerin | KerPlunk: turn your mixer up |
| 02:49.05 | justin | almacscott: you don't, you find a server that contains binary-powerpc |
| 02:49.06 | Guerin | alsamixer or such |
| 02:49.21 | KerPlunk | Guerin: I did that. |
| 02:49.31 | chino | is there a package for handling war files ? |
| 02:49.32 | Azar | KerPlunk: also see if your media player is configured now to work with alsa.. |
| 02:49.33 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | Guerin sorry but i really cant find anything in /etc/init.d/ to restart my iptables, also my kern.log stays empty, mayby the log stream is lost to the sysklogd |
| 02:49.36 | abrotman | binary-superH ? |
| 02:49.49 | useruser | mhall: what's wrong with google site:pdo.debian.net ? |
| 02:49.54 | abrotman | chino: yeah .. tomcat/java |
| 02:50.06 | Guerin | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: what iptables script are you using? |
| 02:50.09 | almacscott | justin, i need some *all.deb from this server |
| 02:50.16 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | a custom script.. |
| 02:50.22 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | it adds some rules |
| 02:50.25 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | that's al |
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| 02:50.47 | chino | abrotman: how do you know that / |
| 02:50.49 | Guerin | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: if it doesn't have an 'off' facility, it's shit |
| 02:50.56 | chino | i thought war was a compression library |
| 02:50.58 | KerPlunk | Azar: yea mplayer is configured... mplayer/mpg123/xmms all don't play sound. |
| 02:50.59 | britt____ | nope |
| 02:51.00 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/iptables.txt |
| 02:51.04 | abrotman | chino: afaik . war is for tomcat |
| 02:51.04 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | Guerin that's just an flush.. |
| 02:51.11 | chino | your right but |
| 02:51.14 | britt____ | Guerin: didnt work, im installing postfix |
| 02:51.18 | fangor | where are my init scripts held again? |
| 02:51.20 | chino | the installl notes say i sshould be getting a directory |
| 02:51.21 | chino | not a file |
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| 02:51.22 | Guerin | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: so flush the damn thing and re-run the script |
| 02:51.26 | Azar | KerPlunk: your media player is configured to.... what? |
| 02:51.27 | delire | fangor: /etc/init.d |
| 02:51.29 | Guerin | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: why? |
| 02:51.34 | Guerin | britt____: why? |
| 02:51.38 | Guerin | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: sorry. |
| 02:51.43 | Azar | KerPlunk: ... to work with ALSA ? |
| 02:51.46 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | np thnx |
| 02:51.49 | delire | fangor: use update-rc.d by the way to manage your init scripts.. |
| 02:51.51 | chino | yea its winrar i have to unpack it |
| 02:51.53 | mhall | useruser: pdo.d.n is extremely new |
| 02:51.57 | KerPlunk | Azar: Whatever the defaults are. |
| 02:52.05 | devicenull | has anyone used usb->serial adapaters with debian? |
| 02:52.12 | delire | KerPlunk: do you have oss emulation? |
| 02:52.23 | Azar | KerPlunk: then it is NOT configured specifically to work with ALSA |
| 02:52.23 | mhall | bbrazil: lol |
| 02:52.23 | KerPlunk | delire: I don't know. |
| 02:52.25 | fangor | thanks, and where is it listed which ones run on system starup? |
| 02:52.27 | delire | devicenull: i tried, they suck. |
| 02:52.34 | delire | KerPlunk: lsmod | grep oss |
| 02:52.37 | useruser | mhall: i mean point google at that site (or the real pdo when it reappears) instead of writing your own search tool |
| 02:52.42 | KerPlunk | delire: That soundcheck command didn't return anything..and no sound came out. |
| 02:52.42 | devicenull | well yea, but my laptop doesnt have a serial port, so |
| 02:52.44 | britt____ | Guerin: why not? what do i have to lose? |
| 02:52.49 | KerPlunk | the command just hung until I control c'd it |
| 02:52.50 | mhall | useruser: no it can't possibly work |
| 02:52.55 | mhall | useruser: because i meant the bot factoids |
| 02:52.59 | delire | KerPlunk: you may need to modprobe oss support. |
| 02:53.00 | useruser | mhall: aha :) |
| 02:53.05 | mhall | useruser: i want to make a web interface so they can be searched |
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| 02:53.17 | Azar | KerPlunk: my media player does NOT use ALSA by default, I have to configure it . |
| 02:53.19 | delire | mhall: a fine idea.. |
| 02:53.20 | mhall | useruser: it should be easy in php but i want help to make it performant and secure |
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| 02:53.44 | delire | KerPlunk: was there any output from the command i gave above? |
| 02:53.49 | mhall | delire: the only problem is getting a box with adequate database power to do the job |
| 02:53.50 | KerPlunk | delire: yes |
| 02:54.00 | delire | KerPlunk: snd-pcm-oss or similar? |
| 02:54.01 | KerPlunk | delire: i modprobed snd-pcm-oss, but it sitll doesn't play |
| 02:54.03 | ice_1963 | by the why i have the new xserver-xorg up and running with nvidia-glx heh :0) |
| 02:54.10 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | Guerin maybe i should restate my problem, kern.log stays empty, the logging of iptables works (i see the messages in dmesg) but dmesg's output does'n come in kern.log |
| 02:54.10 | useruser | mhall: you could still take the lazy route.. shove them in html files and use ht://dig or something similar |
| 02:54.16 | mhall | delire: because my ultra 10 would die many deaths after just a few weeks |
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| 02:54.27 | KerPlunk | delire: yes, delire I think I had this problem last time I formatte.d..the sound won't work unless I add snd-pcm-oss to /etc//modules and reboot |
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| 02:54.31 | mhall | useruser: they come in database table backup export format |
| 02:54.37 | Acid`X | mhall: ty @ locales |
| 02:54.42 | mhall | useruser: which should be easy to update each day automatically |
| 02:54.47 | mhall | Acid`X: is it playing nice now |
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| 02:54.52 | delire | KerPlunk: right.. i saw this recently on a friends box, but it was due to the realtek hda driver being an arse.. what card is it BTW? |
| 02:54.52 | Azar | KerPlunk: my media player comes with OSS Output Plugin by default. I had to change it to ALSA. You should do the same |
| 02:55.06 | fangor | oh, didnt see that second message, delire. thanks |
| 02:55.07 | useruser | mhall: ok |
| 02:55.18 | chino | how do i get winrar ? |
| 02:55.24 | mhall | useruser: the only problem i have with the idea is getting an adequate box |
| 02:55.29 | delire | fangor: np |
| 02:55.32 | mhall | useruser: the rest should be pretty easy |
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| 02:55.54 | mhall | useruser: and i need some kind of creative name |
| 02:56.00 | Azar | KerPlunk: your sound worked ok before you upgraded, right? |
| 02:56.10 | KerPlunk | Azar: no before I formatted. |
| 02:56.13 | Dewi | screen is really slow on this newly installed machine, and it keeps saying 'Could not write /var/run/utmp: No such process' and something about umtp: interrupted system call. |
| 02:56.17 | delire | KerPlunk: try 'cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp' after modprobing snd-pcm-oss. |
| 02:56.17 | fangor | delire: isnt this kept in a text file somewhere, though? |
| 02:56.21 | mhall | useruser: i have a block of IP addresses; once it gets popular i bet somebody else more 1337 and h4x0r will host it |
| 02:56.25 | Azar | KerPlunk: so you formatted? |
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| 02:56.53 | KerPlunk | delire: the command just hangs...and I get no sound |
| 02:57.00 | delire | fangor: sure, they are all textfiles.. that said, never add|remove init scripts directly. you'll compromise your system. |
| 02:57.04 | Uriel_darling | anyone know about a ESS ES1868 sound card? |
| 02:57.09 | Guerin | hehe |
| 02:57.09 | delire | KerPlunk: is the device writeable? |
| 02:57.13 | Guerin | !pal Uriel_darling |
| 02:57.20 | Uriel_darling | or getting a Sound Blaster compatable card to work?.. |
| 02:57.25 | KerPlunk | cookooland:/external/backup/feb2006# ls -al /dev/dsp |
| 02:57.25 | KerPlunk | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-02-12 16:40 /dev/dsp |
| 02:57.28 | bbrazil | Uriel_darling: you'll need to load a module, but it works iirc |
| 02:57.35 | Guerin | Uriel_darling: use alsaconf and hope |
| 02:57.44 | Uriel_darling | what module? |
| 02:57.45 | delire | KerPlunk: are you a member of the audio group? |
| 02:57.49 | doubletwist | Anyone here using debian on an Alpha [LX164]??? |
| 02:57.55 | _allan | How do I make Debian unstable run "clear" after startup but before running "login"? |
| 02:57.57 | Uriel_darling | `BTW, how do i use modprobe? |
| 02:58.00 | freeone3000 | Alpha's alive? |
| 02:58.02 | dvs | Uriel_darling: doesn't matter with alsaconf |
| 02:58.04 | Acid`X | mhall: i think so, do i have to fix anything else for the locales? |
| 02:58.05 | Azar | doubletwist: just not to let you down: not me |
| 02:58.17 | KerPlunk | delire: I don't see why not...these are default settings I just formatted. |
| 02:58.27 | doubletwist | Azar Heh, thanks. :) |
| 02:58.33 | delire | _allan: hehe strange question.. a 'reset' would do also.. |
| 02:58.56 | delire | KerPlunk: run 'groups' |
| 02:58.59 | _allan | delire: what do you mean by a 'reset'? |
| 02:59.06 | KerPlunk | I'm going to try rebooting after adding snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules this worked last time iirc |
| 02:59.15 | mhall | Acid`X: i don't think so |
| 02:59.23 | KerPlunk | delire: yes I'm in audio |
| 02:59.24 | mhall | Acid`X: languages are a little more complicated |
| 02:59.26 | KerPlunk | brb |
| 02:59.28 | mhall | !tell me about lang |
| 02:59.29 | mhall | !tell me about language |
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| 02:59.44 | delire | _allan: you want to clear the console? shit.. you mean before login.. reset wouldn't work no. |
| 02:59.44 | Uriel_darling | DVS, i get an error when trying to get it via apt... |
| 02:59.56 | Acid`X | mhall: i got the error while installing some stuff, does that affect at all |
| 02:59.56 | fangor | delire: so, if i'm using this command to modify my init scripts now, how do i figure out what is starting right now? |
| 02:59.57 | _allan | delire: yes |
| 03:00.18 | Azar | KernelPanique: http://www.linux.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 03:00.21 | dvs | Uriel_darling: What package are you trying to get? |
| 03:00.45 | Uriel_darling | alsa-base |
| 03:00.54 | dvs | Uriel_darling: it's in alsa-utils |
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| 03:01.07 | Nopalin | hey, how i can configure my pc with wireless as bridge, because i have another pc conected to the pc with wireless with ethernet and i want to share internet |
| 03:01.13 | mhall | Acid`X: yeah that's how a lot of people first see it |
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| 03:01.15 | delire | fangor: each of the given runlevels are given by folder name with a numeric suffix: see /etc/rc*.d. |
| 03:01.15 | Uriel_darling | alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 03:01.23 | Uriel_darling | both of them |
| 03:01.24 | mhall | PINTO |
| 03:01.28 | chino | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.34 | dvs | Uriel_darling: What error do you get? |
| 03:01.35 | fangor | delire: oh, ok, that makes sense. thank you |
| 03:01.47 | delire | s/numeric suffix/number/ |
| 03:01.59 | Azar | chino sorry I do not know what a winrar is |
| 03:02.07 | _allan | delire: I'll ask again tommorow. Bye. |
| 03:02.08 | chino | its a compression library |
| 03:02.20 | delire | fangor: see 'man runlevel' also |
| 03:02.23 | Azar | chino, I think it does not exist in Debian |
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| 03:02.50 | chino | i think its winwar |
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| 03:03.06 | KerPlunk | delire / Azar same thing as last install... modprobe snd-pcm-oss does not work...I have to add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules and reboot...last 3 formats on this laptop activity was like this. |
| 03:03.16 | Azar | KerPlunk: http://www.linux.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 03:03.25 | zebalin7 | chino: won't the rar package work for you? |
| 03:03.29 | Uriel_darling | DVS, here http://pastebin.ca/41361 |
| 03:03.35 | chino | idk it says to unpack it here |
| 03:03.35 | Uriel_darling | it's a long output |
| 03:03.38 | Azar | KerPlunk: learn some rules first |
| 03:03.41 | KerPlunk | Sound works now...I did apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils...and then modprobe snd-pcm-oss and no sound...only when I reboot and I have snd-pcm-oss in /etc/modules does it wokr. |
| 03:03.43 | deadcat_ | KerPlunk: you start with linux26? |
| 03:03.49 | KerPlunk | deadcat_: yes |
| 03:04.22 | delire | KerPlunk: cool.. |
| 03:04.23 | Azar | chino, there is no winwar in Debian |
| 03:04.30 | chino | its winrar |
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| 03:04.37 | Azar | no winwar, no winrar, nothing with win |
| 03:04.51 | delire | KerPlunk: other applications that support ALSA do not require snd-pcm-oss loaded. |
| 03:05.01 | zebalin7 | chino: why won't the rar/unrar packages work for you? |
| 03:05.01 | KerPlunk | chino: add non-free to your sources.list and apt-get install unrar; then "unrar e file.rar ." |
| 03:05.11 | Dewi | screen keeps complaining that it can't write to /var/run/utmp, but the screen binary appears to be g+w, has utmp group, and the file is writable by utmp group |
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| 03:05.24 | Dewi | so it should have no problem writing it |
| 03:05.33 | Dewi | er |
| 03:05.34 | chino | KerPlunk: how do i add non-free ? |
| 03:05.35 | KerPlunk | delire: I dunno...but mplayer/mpg123/etc all work...and they don't work if I don't have snd-pcm-oss in /etc/modules |
| 03:05.38 | Dewi | I meant the screen binary is g+s |
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| 03:05.45 | Uriel_darling | http://pastebin.ca/41361 |
| 03:05.47 | delire | KerPlunk: change the default sound system in all applications that support it to use ALSA. then edit an ~/.asoundrc to support mixing using dmix. |
| 03:05.52 | Uriel_darling | anyone tell me how to fix that? |
| 03:06.00 | KerPlunk | chino: "yourfavoriteeditor /etc/apt/sources.list" type this as root in a terminal. |
| 03:06.01 | dvs | Uriel_darling: It's right in the message how to fix that |
| 03:06.03 | delire | KerPlunk: they are all using OSS by default.. that is to be expected. |
| 03:06.04 | KerPlunk | !tell chino about non-free |
| 03:06.11 | Azar | chino in your /etc/apt/sources.list add at the end of each source non-free contrib |
| 03:06.27 | Uriel_darling | I'm sort of stupid in understanding it... |
| 03:06.32 | fangor | what does this mean? "update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/inetd exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
| 03:06.36 | dvs | Uriel_darling: line 22 |
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| 03:06.53 | Uriel_darling | use that, along with what else? |
| 03:07.00 | fangor | thats what i got when i ran update-rc.d inetd remove |
| 03:07.09 | dvs | Uriel_darling: apt-get install alsa-utils |
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| 03:07.49 | dvs | Yum! |
| 03:07.55 | Uriel_darling | then, what about the update-modules force deal? |
| 03:08.00 | [|o_o|] | i recently performed an apt-get dist-upgrade in testing, and now alt-tab refuses to work |
| 03:08.02 | delire | KerPlunk: if you don't have OSS support, you'll hear nothing from those applications by default. however, if you want to watch a movie while hearing a ring from your favourite VoIP app (for instance), then you will need to add dmix support. applications that explicity write to /dev/dsp should be avoided. |
| 03:08.09 | dvs | *sigh* |
| 03:08.10 | [|o_o|] | any ideas why? |
| 03:08.27 | [|o_o|] | i'm using the default window manager "metacity" |
| 03:08.29 | [|o_o|] | on gnome |
| 03:08.45 | Azar | [|o_o|]: testing is unstable |
| 03:08.51 | [|o_o|] | Azar: :< |
| 03:09.00 | Azar | [|o_o|]: you have to deal with the bugs |
| 03:09.02 | [|o_o|] | then what is unstable? |
| 03:09.13 | [|o_o|] | ah, ok, so this is a bug? |
| 03:09.19 | Azar | [|o_o|]: unstable is more unstable than testing |
| 03:09.25 | delire | Azar: that was a confusing way of putting it.. |
| 03:09.28 | delire | ;) |
| 03:09.29 | Azar | [|o_o|]: maybe |
| 03:09.36 | chino | do i have to update now ? |
| 03:09.48 | dvs | !nickometer [|o_o|] |
| 03:09.50 | dpkg | '[|o_o|]' is 88.000% lame, dvs |
| 03:10.09 | britt____ | im 100% lame |
| 03:10.18 | Dewi | !nickometer Dewi |
| 03:10.18 | delire | aww comeon dpkg.. hard to type but very 'graphical'. |
| 03:10.18 | Azar | [|o_o|]: if you chose testing it is assumed you have the time, patience, and love testing bugs |
| 03:10.19 | dpkg | 'Dewi' is 0.000% lame, dewi |
| 03:10.25 | Dewi | !nickometer deadcat_ |
| 03:10.26 | dpkg | 'deadcat_' is 0.000% lame, dewi |
| 03:10.40 | Breeder | !nickometer Breeder |
| 03:10.41 | delire | ok i'll bite |
| 03:10.41 | dpkg | 'Breeder' is 0.000% lame, breeder |
| 03:10.44 | Uriel_darling | Dvs, What command do i use that arguement with? |
| 03:10.46 | delire | !nickometer delire |
| 03:10.48 | dpkg | 'delire' is 0.000% lame, delire |
| 03:10.53 | delire | excellent |
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| 03:11.02 | britt____ | !nickometer britt__ |
| 03:11.04 | dpkg | 'britt__' is 24.000% lame, britt____ |
| 03:11.06 | dvs | Uriel_darling: Which one? |
| 03:11.11 | freeone3000 | !nickometer <[|o_o|]> |
| 03:11.13 | dpkg | '<[|o_o|]>' is 99.880% lame, freeone3000 |
| 03:11.16 | delire | almost as bad as the 'memes' in planet debian... |
| 03:11.19 | Uriel_darling | Use "update-modules force" to force (re)generation |
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| 03:11.21 | freeone3000 | ...Dang. Sucks to be you. |
| 03:11.36 | dvs | Uriel_darling: the part in quotes. Type that and hit enter |
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| 03:11.51 | freeone3000 | Anyway, it says that it can't extract a deb becuase.. it already exists in gnome-utils? |
| 03:12.03 | Uriel_darling | -bash: update-modules: command not found |
| 03:12.09 | dvs | Uriel_darling: as root |
| 03:12.09 | ok | Azar: any idea how to manually modify the options given by gnome-keybinding-properties? |
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| 03:12.18 | Uriel_darling | ohh |
| 03:12.24 | KerPlunk | How can I play wma files in mp3blaster...they play find with mplayer...but I want to use mp3blaster. |
| 03:12.33 | Azar | ok I'd love to help you but I never used kde or gnome and I do not inted to use them |
| 03:12.41 | ok | ok |
| 03:12.43 | freeone3000 | KerPlunk: Well, convert them to mp3 first. |
| 03:12.43 | Azar | s/inted/intend |
| 03:12.53 | freeone3000 | KerPlunk: Then they'll work. |
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| 03:13.29 | KerPlunk | freeone3000: What program would I use to do that? |
| 03:13.34 | itrebal | i've got issues installing the ssh server, its installed - and i can connect through localhost, but not through anything else |
| 03:13.45 | mhall | zebalin7: 'lo |
| 03:14.00 | KerPlunk | Azar: yea I'm with you...kde/gnome are bloated enviroments...and they are teh suck. fluxbox > * |
| 03:14.04 | KerPlunk | !start a window manager war |
| 03:14.04 | dpkg | X makes me vomit! |
| 03:14.05 | Guerin | KerPlunk: don't convert files from one lossy format to another |
| 03:14.21 | Guerin | unless 7you don't care about quality at all and want it to sound like someone farting down a tube |
| 03:14.22 | Azar | KerPlunk: I use openbox |
| 03:14.25 | KerPlunk | Guerin: I'll convert them to ogg...but I don't know what program to use. |
| 03:14.25 | britt____ | does cyrus have anything to do with SMTP mail? |
| 03:14.32 | Woosta | itrebal: ssh -vvv theserver .. that will give you a lot of info and you'll be able to see where it's breaking down |
| 03:14.36 | freeone3000 | Fluxbox > *. Fluxbox instance of *. THerefore, fluxbox > fluxbox. Therefore, fluxbox != fluxbox. Therefore, the world is doomed. |
| 03:14.37 | KerPlunk | Azar: We share the same base.(black) |
| 03:14.47 | Guerin | britt____: no |
| 03:15.05 | mhall | delire: i just came up with the perfect hosting idea |
| 03:15.09 | mhall | delire: sourceforge |
| 03:15.12 | zebalin7 | mhall: hey. I'm still trying to get up the courage to do the major etch upgrade!! |
| 03:15.17 | mhall | zebalin7: oof |
| 03:15.18 | britt____ | Guerin: eventually, i'll either become bald or i'll figure this out...and i'll owe you a cold one |
| 03:15.35 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:15.39 | mhall | zebalin7: G4L, Ghost 4 Linux or mondo backup. |
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| 03:15.45 | mhall | !tell zebalin7 about g4l |
| 03:15.47 | mhall | !tell zebalin7 about mondo |
| 03:15.52 | delire | mhall: hehe.. good call |
| 03:15.57 | mhall | zebalin7: as long as you back up it should be fine |
| 03:15.58 | fangor | i used to be hardcore fluxbox as well, then i got sick of its interface making me jump through hoops to do what i wanted to do, so i use kde now |
| 03:15.58 | Seb20 | hey |
| 03:15.59 | KerPlunk | zebalin7: /msg dpkg testing security; /msg dpkg marillat; /msg dpkg 2006 key; /msg dpkg marillat.etch; |
| 03:16.02 | ok | ok switched to sawfish for the time being |
| 03:16.03 | ok | thanks |
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| 03:16.14 | adamrenie | how do i get the kernel source so that nvidia's drivers can compile a kernel? |
| 03:16.15 | mhall | delire: they support it and their web services are secure, fast, and have decent uptime. |
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| 03:16.18 | chino | this is driving me crazy |
| 03:16.18 | KerPlunk | zebalin7: /msg dpkg secure-testing-master apt-key |
| 03:16.22 | mhall | delire: probably at least 4 nines |
| 03:16.25 | zebalin7 | mhall: I'll wait a few a few days and see how the heros do. I'm a coward! |
| 03:16.27 | Seb20 | has anyone got a sec to help me with a problem I'm having installing debian? |
| 03:16.31 | KerPlunk | !tell adamrenie about nvidia one liner |
| 03:16.38 | Azar | KerPlunk: http://www.geocities.com/spaceproxy/gkrellShoot_12-29-05_204053.jpg |
| 03:16.39 | mhall | zebalin7: as long as you back up your shit; should be good |
| 03:16.43 | KerPlunk | adamrenie: if you type that one line...nvidia will be compiled and 3d accel will work. |
| 03:16.44 | fangor | just having graphical tools for confuguration makes it worth the extra bloatyness to me |
| 03:17.00 | mhall | zebalin7: i did it forever ago on sid, and i run with all of experimental too |
| 03:17.09 | mhall | zebalin7: but i'm sort of a hacker though |
| 03:17.10 | delire | mhall: well .. they have good uptime now.. a couple of years ago they were rubbish. |
| 03:17.13 | zebalin7 | mhall: I'm always backed up. |
| 03:17.18 | mhall | delire: yeah true |
| 03:17.21 | mhall | zebalin7: good call |
| 03:17.31 | adamrenie | KerPlunk: thanks i'll give it a go |
| 03:17.35 | mhall | zebalin7: oh and burn a knoppix 4 cd too |
| 03:17.57 | zebalin7 | mhall: but if something is going to break.... say udev for my camera... I don't have the time to figure it all out. I'll wait a week and if no one else has etch problems I'll jump in. |
| 03:18.00 | mhall | zebalin7: 99/100 times you can fix your shit without the backup |
| 03:18.09 | mhall | zebalin7: oof udev *cringe* |
| 03:18.39 | zebalin7 | mhall: I used to run sid and it drove me crazy with the constant updates that caused constant problems. So I dropped back to etch and so far it has been fine. |
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| 03:19.05 | chino | i cant get unrar! |
| 03:19.15 | Guerin | chino: /msg dpkg unrar |
| 03:19.19 | Uriel_darling | DVS, when running alsaconf it says " No supported PnP or |
| 03:19.20 | Uriel_darling | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.21 | deadcat_ | its in non-free |
| 03:19.21 | LinuxKeitaro | delire - back - rebooting didn't help the card come online |
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| 03:19.24 | Guerin | chino: sorry, debian isn't very warez-friendly |
| 03:19.39 | dvs | Uriel_darling: What kernel are you using? |
| 03:20.17 | zebalin7 | mhall: I have a kanotix cd as well as the new sysrescue. I doubt etch will break all that badly that even semi-experienced people can't recover. Sid on the other hand... |
| 03:20.24 | Uriel_darling | 2.42.4.27-2-386 |
| 03:20.27 | Uriel_darling | opps |
| 03:20.28 | delire | LinuxKeitaro: shame.. have you run dmesh while removing and insterting the card? |
| 03:20.29 | Uriel_darling | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 03:20.29 | mhall | delire: well i'm well fucked and far from home |
| 03:20.33 | mhall | delire: http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php |
| 03:20.47 | dvs | Uriel_darling: apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
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| 03:21.03 | LinuxKeitaro | delire - if I remove it I get |
| 03:21.11 | LinuxKeitaro | eth1: hot unplug detected |
| 03:21.15 | LinuxKeitaro | eth1: removing device |
| 03:21.38 | Uriel_darling | downloading now ^_^ |
| 03:21.40 | LinuxKeitaro | I think perhaps debian knows about it, but the lights aren't coming on for the card |
| 03:21.47 | britt____ | Guerin: I know that at the end of this, it'll be something insanely easy |
| 03:22.00 | adamrenie | KerPlunk: module-assistant, interactive mode says that the build of package nvidia-kernel-source failed! |
| 03:22.01 | LinuxKeitaro | I only have experience w/ Fedora, so I'm not sure if it's just a basic debian thing I'm messing up on |
| 03:22.09 | Uriel_darling | I thank you so much for helping me, This is my first REAL install of any type of linux |
| 03:22.12 | delire | mhall: jeziz.. |
| 03:22.14 | zebalin7 | bbl |
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| 03:22.26 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 03:22.33 | Azar | adamrenie: do you have non-free sources / |
| 03:22.36 | solemnwarning | what command should i use to sync clock with a time server? |
| 03:22.43 | deadcat | ntpdate |
| 03:22.46 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 03:22.48 | delire | LinuxKeitaro: what happens on insert? |
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| 03:22.55 | KerPlunk | solemnwarning: apt-get install ntpdate; ntpdate pool.ntp.org; |
| 03:23.13 | Guerin | itym /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart |
| 03:23.15 | deadcat | EdLin: aint nobody saying hi back in this channel |
| 03:23.21 | fangor | mhall: that command you gave me ahwile ago worked. thanks :)l |
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| 03:23.32 | KerPlunk | !greet solemnwarning |
| 03:23.32 | dpkg | Howdy, solemnwarning |
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| 03:23.43 | abrotman | !ntp |
| 03:23.43 | dpkg | well, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 03:23.50 | adamrenie | Azar: i have deb and deb-src ftp://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian-amd64/debian unstable contrib non-free |
| 03:23.58 | LinuxKeitaro | delire - in dmesg? |
| 03:24.05 | Azar | adamrenie: ewwwwwwwwwwwwww unstable.. |
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| 03:24.12 | Azar | sorry it is unstable |
| 03:24.23 | Azar | Imean... unstable dunno what it does |
| 03:24.27 | deadcat | firefox uses alot of CPU in unstable. |
| 03:24.40 | adamrenie | Azar: is that wrong? i'm clueless as to why i have to keep changing stuff in sources.list |
| 03:24.59 | delire | LinuxKeitaro: yes |
| 03:25.02 | Azar | adamernie if you run unstable expect things not to work as you expect |
| 03:25.12 | delire | LinuxKeitaro: post to a pastebin if necessary |
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| 03:25.29 | mhall | fangor: kind of a hack but that's what you have to do |
| 03:25.38 | LinuxKeitaro | PCI: Enabling device (some numbers) |
| 03:25.46 | adamrenie | Azar: what should be in my sources.list then? |
| 03:25.47 | mhall | delire: they did about exactly what i was going to do except better |
| 03:25.47 | britt____ | Guerin: okay....here's the scoop |
| 03:25.48 | LinuxKeitaro | ACPI: PCI interrupt (some numbers) |
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| 03:25.59 | britt____ | Guerin: i just had a revelation. |
| 03:26.01 | Guerin | LinuxKeitaro: did you miss the bit about the pastebin? |
| 03:26.04 | adamrenie | oh |
| 03:26.16 | Guerin | adamrenie: you should do less of that. |
| 03:26.19 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:26.27 | Guerin | Azar: you should do less of that. |
| 03:26.30 | britt____ | Guerin: would I get a 550 if i didnt have the rigth credentials to login? (user,pass) |
| 03:26.31 | Azar | adamrenie: you should run stable if you are newbie, but I see you want to run for amd64, maybe that why you were advised to run unstable |
| 03:26.47 | LinuxKeitaro | Guerin - sorry, I'm running it on a different computer than this one |
| 03:26.48 | Azar | Guerin, less of what |
| 03:26.54 | Guerin | britt____: yes. Relay not allowed means "I can relay mail, but not for you." |
| 03:26.58 | Guerin | Azar: thinking. |
| 03:27.10 | Azar | Guerin, then Id cease to "bee" |
| 03:27.32 | delire | mhall: true but still the factoid system is itself a mess.. look at the relative dupes. should be a way detecting factoid redundancy.. on a per URL or keyword basis shouldn't be too hard. |
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| 03:27.37 | Guerin | amd64 is available for stable ... but most people should use 1386 anyway, because it's not so tricky |
| 03:27.42 | Azar | Guerin is there a "stable" Debian for amd64 ? |
| 03:27.45 | Guerin | amd64 is still only really suitable for experts |
| 03:27.49 | mhall | delire: the key would be a moderating system |
| 03:27.57 | britt____ | Guerin: since my cyrus mail accounts are seperate from the mail spool accounts I think I need to create anouther mailspool or get exim4 to see both the users and passwords that cyrus has...does that make sense? |
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| 03:28.02 | mhall | delire: where you could also update the contents over the web |
| 03:28.03 | delire | mhall: true |
| 03:28.06 | Uriel_darling | DVS, it looks to be working as far as installing goes |
| 03:28.09 | mhall | delire: and have it affect the bot |
| 03:28.12 | Uriel_darling | I thank you so much |
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| 03:28.16 | mhall | delire: but then we would need moderators |
| 03:28.25 | dvs | Uriel_darling: HAve you run alsaconf yet? |
| 03:28.28 | mhall | delire: nontrivial to find ones who are patient enough |
| 03:28.28 | Uriel_darling | all of you guys in here are awesome |
| 03:28.37 | Uriel_darling | DVa, it just finished |
| 03:28.39 | Azar | i386 for you (by Guerin) adamernie |
| 03:28.43 | delire | mhall: hmm.. that's a bit of an ask.. |
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| 03:28.44 | dvs | Uriel_darling: You have to do one more thing |
| 03:28.44 | mhall | delire: and who won't delete all of the hilarious crass factoids like mhallsmite |
| 03:28.52 | Guerin | britt____: cyrus is using virtual users or such? |
| 03:28.54 | delire | hehe |
| 03:28.57 | Uriel_darling | What else? |
| 03:29.00 | Uriel_darling | heh |
| 03:29.11 | adamrenie | so there is no hope of me fully utilizing my 64-bit processor with debian? |
| 03:29.16 | dvs | Uriel_darling: Run "lsmod" and add the snd_ modules to /etc/modules or else it won't work when you reboot |
| 03:29.17 | delire | mhall: they are a part of our history, mhallsmite especially. |
| 03:29.24 | Guerin | adamrenie: that depends on you, not on debian. |
| 03:29.31 | Azar | adamrenie: no, not this year at least |
| 03:29.39 | Guerin | adamrenie: debian can fully utilise it; if only you can set it up to do so. |
| 03:29.40 | delire | mhall: i don't know what i'd do without it ;) |
| 03:29.45 | Guerin | Azar: wtf. |
| 03:29.48 | britt____ | Guerin: yes. |
| 03:29.52 | hacim | i want to export a directory over samba to another debian machine, whats the easiest way to do that? |
| 03:30.10 | adamrenie | Guerin: i'm willing to work with it, but i seem to be going nowhere |
| 03:30.13 | Guerin | britt____: if exim doesn't know about the virtual users, that would be one substantial factor in its failure. |
| 03:30.23 | Uriel_darling | snd_ ? |
| 03:30.32 | Uriel_darling | at the bottom, or the top? |
| 03:30.35 | Guerin | adamrenie: my advice is to install debian i386, and install debian amd64 in a chroot. |
| 03:31.08 | dvs | Uriel_darling: Type "lsmod | grep snd" and add any module that DOESNT have any words after the second number in each line at the end of your /etc/modules file |
| 03:31.09 | Guerin | adamrenie: this it tricky, but it's also likely to be necessary for you, since a bunch of stuff doesn't work natively in amd64, and to use it you'd need to make an i386 chroot |
| 03:31.10 | delire | Guerin: interesting.. |
| 03:31.29 | LinuxKeitaro | delire - do I have to add my wireless card to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:31.46 | mhall | delire: what have you used it for |
| 03:31.48 | Uriel_darling | snd-pnp, snd-sb16-dsp and so on? |
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| 03:31.56 | adamrenie | Guerin: ah, okay, is there a good source that explains what chroot actually does? i'm new to the concept |
| 03:31.59 | dvs | Uriel_darling: There should only be two. |
| 03:32.03 | hacim | is there a good howto for setting up samba between two debian machines simply? |
| 03:32.03 | britt____ | Guerin: well cyrus uses sasl databases and i dont think exim knows about those, even though they are intertwined. |
| 03:32.04 | delire | LinuxKeitaro: only if you want to use that file to manage how the card should be used.. it's not necessary.. |
| 03:32.17 | britt____ | but it doesnt seem like anybody else messes with exim4 here... |
| 03:32.22 | Guerin | britt____: i think exim can be made to use sasl |
| 03:32.32 | delire | mhall: to be honest i haven't.. love to see it in action though ;) |
| 03:32.45 | britt____ | Guerin: i think I need more info on doign that then |
| 03:32.52 | delire | LinuxKeitaro: what does 'iwconfig |
| 03:32.55 | Guerin | adamrenie: a chroot is a self-contained userspace within an existing OS |
| 03:33.00 | britt____ | Guerin: this isnt mission critical but its just an annoyance. |
| 03:33.07 | Guerin | adamrenie: by userspace, I mean 'everything but the kernel' |
| 03:33.07 | delire | LinuxKeitaro: sorry.. what does 'iwconfig' give you now? |
| 03:33.08 | mhall | delire: it is offensive to one's senses |
| 03:33.13 | mhall | delire: this much i can guarantee |
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| 03:33.29 | mhall | delire: let's use it on the next person joining the chan to ask a non-debian question |
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| 03:34.06 | LinuxKeitaro | still NOT READY! |
| 03:34.08 | adamrenie | Guerin: okay, thanks |
| 03:34.10 | Uriel_darling | DVS, http://pastebin.ca/41370 |
| 03:34.11 | delire | mhall: it's a wound upon cognition itself.. tattoos the cerebellum of the recipient.. |
| 03:34.19 | Uriel_darling | i get alot of items |
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| 03:34.49 | mhall | delire: yes; i wholeheartedly endorse that phraseology |
| 03:35.07 | Dewi | !mhallsmite mhall |
| 03:35.10 | delire | LinuxKeitaro: hmm.. at this stage i would look for others with that card online. http://google.com/linux. it's nearly 5am here.. i'm out. |
| 03:35.22 | dvs | Uriel_darling: snd-sbaue snd-pcm-oss |
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| 03:35.31 | Uriel_darling | just those two? |
| 03:35.32 | delire | mhall: it will be the last from me today. v'late. i bid you well. |
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| 03:35.38 | adamrenie | is there an easy way for me to install the i386 version while i have amd64-k8 kernel? |
| 03:35.40 | LinuxKeitaro | dlire - thanks for the help thusfar |
| 03:35.42 | dvs | Uriel_darling: yes |
| 03:35.42 | Jeeves_Moss | all: hello all |
| 03:35.44 | mhall | delire: there; you have witnessed the smite |
| 03:36.00 | adamrenie | *replacing the kernel that is |
| 03:36.06 | delire_zz | mhall: just before i sleep.. brutal. |
| 03:36.12 | Uriel_darling | ok, then would it be ok to see if xmms works right now? |
| 03:36.19 | dvs | Uriel_darling: ok |
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| 03:36.38 | dvs | Uriel_darling: Oh? In XMMS, you can set the output to use ALSA |
| 03:37.01 | Uriel_darling | thats the one things i knew ^_^ |
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| 03:38.08 | britt____ | Guerin: scratch that, good thought but I still think you're right. |
| 03:38.22 | Azar | alioth.debian.org is blocked in firefox: untrusted site? wtf? |
| 03:38.37 | britt____ | Guerin: it doesnt allow MY ip to send mail, because i can send it fine via php and from localhost |
| 03:38.40 | Uriel_darling | how do i adjust the sound volume? |
| 03:38.49 | dvs | Uriel_darling: alsamixergui |
| 03:38.50 | fangor | thanks for all the help, everyone |
| 03:38.55 | KerPlunk | Azar: works fine for me, seems like your system is borked. |
| 03:39.02 | GaiaX11 | How do I connect a PC to the Net through another PC which has acesses to the net using a wireless card? |
| 03:39.22 | Uriel_darling | it works |
| 03:39.24 | Guerin | britt____: so you need to set the relay permission up properwise. |
| 03:39.25 | Uriel_darling | so well |
| 03:39.30 | GaiaX11 | Using only a cable? |
| 03:39.31 | Uriel_darling | Thank you so much |
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| 03:39.35 | Uriel_darling | so very much |
| 03:39.36 | Jeeves_Moss | GaiaX11: whats the set up again? |
| 03:39.37 | dvs | Uriel_darling: you're welcome |
| 03:39.43 | mhall | Dewi: that was harsh btw |
| 03:39.44 | Azar | KerPlunk: is not the system borked, is the firefox settings.. |
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| 03:39.54 | britt____ | Guerin: and thats what im having trouble finding, because it seems like its deeper than exim4-config |
| 03:40.36 | KerPlunk | Azar: I have _default_ firefox settings from debian.org's firefox and it works. |
| 03:41.32 | Guerin | britt____: #exim might know more |
| 03:41.56 | GaiaX11 | How do I connect a PC to the net using other PC which is in the net using a wireless card? I have linked the two with a single cable. |
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| 03:42.09 | britt____ | Guerin: oh my...i didnt think to ask there |
| 03:42.10 | britt____ | thanks |
| 03:42.12 | Guerin | heh |
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| 03:42.23 | Guerin | well, a lot of exim4 stuff is debian-specific |
| 03:42.28 | Guerin | re: debconf, etc. |
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| 03:44.00 | bescomm | fghfghkfg |
| 03:44.10 | bescomm | gfhgfh |
| 03:44.13 | Azar | adamrenie: did you read any guide related to Debian on amd64 ? |
| 03:45.05 | adamrenie | Azar: yea, a few online |
| 03:45.25 | Uriel_darling | OMG, it workds wonderfuly |
| 03:45.26 | Uriel_darling | lol |
| 03:45.29 | Azar | KerPlunk: the link offered by google to alioth's site will not open because of some thing with Certificate... I will not bother with that anymore |
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| 03:45.36 | Uriel_darling | Next, getting my burner to work... |
| 03:45.37 | Uriel_darling | lol |
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| 03:46.07 | dvs | Uriel_darling: With 2.4? You're much better off with a 2.6 kernel. |
| 03:46.38 | adamrenie | so how do i do this correct chroot thing? do i still use the amd64 netinstall |
| 03:46.52 | Uriel_darling | Would upgrade be an option? |
| 03:47.01 | adamrenie | or should i get the i368 net install and run that |
| 03:47.04 | Uriel_darling | upgrading** |
| 03:47.16 | Azar | adamrenie: http://amd64.debian.net/docs/release-notes/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html |
| 03:47.34 | Uriel_darling | I got the stable netinstall and i've install everything via apt |
| 03:48.01 | britt____ | Guerin: my luck, there's nobody in there. |
| 03:48.02 | Uriel_darling | my comp is kinda old, and i've heard 2.6 won't support it |
| 03:48.41 | dvs | Uriel_darling: Ok. A kernel upgrade would be kinda risky so I guess you're stuck with 2.4 |
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| 03:49.20 | EdLin | Uriel_darling: actually, why not try the kernel upgrade - it won't erase your 2.4 installation so you can always select the old kernel in the boot process if 2.6 isn't working. |
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| 03:49.23 | Uriel_darling | there must be a way around it |
| 03:50.02 | dvs | Uriel_darling: yeah. Setting up a burner is tricky in 2.4 and I forget how to do it. It's been so long. |
| 03:50.04 | Uriel_darling | would i have to build it from soourcE? |
| 03:50.09 | dvs | Uriel_darling: no |
| 03:50.31 | Azar | yay! I just found about popularity-contest package!! |
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| 03:50.38 | dvs | !beer Azar |
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| 03:50.49 | Uriel_darling | all i want to do is burn data, useing cdrecord in commandline |
| 03:50.51 | Azar | :) im gonna have fun with it riiight now |
| 03:50.55 | dvs | Azar: That still doesn't mean you're popular! ;-) |
| 03:51.00 | sanmarcos | where does dpkg keep the configuration for packages? as in variables that go in when you dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 03:51.07 | Azar | :) nooo Debian |
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| 03:51.40 | gravity | sanmarcos: /var/cache/debconf iirc |
| 03:52.25 | sanmarcos | gravity: can I erase those files? |
| 03:52.27 | Azar | :( I do not have email for that :( |
| 03:52.33 | gravity | sanmarcos: I really don't recommend it |
| 03:52.38 | gravity | sanmarcos: What's your real question? |
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| 03:53.39 | lolmaster | hi |
| 03:53.44 | sanmarcos | gravity: your answer fixed it,t hanks |
| 03:53.51 | gravity | sanmarcos: Ok... |
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| 03:54.17 | Dewi | mhall: hehe. It was harsher than I realised. |
| 03:54.25 | Azar | ok how this works? I just typed "popularity-contest" and long screens of info rolled |
| 03:54.28 | Azar | how it works? |
| 03:54.49 | Azar | dvs, how it works? |
| 03:55.15 | dvs | Azar: It sends a list of packages you installed once a week. |
| 03:55.15 | Azar | does it sends the info or not? |
| 03:55.19 | Dewi | gravity: why does everyone want to play with dpkg's internals all the time? |
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| 03:55.25 | gravity | Dewi: I don't know |
| 03:55.30 | dvs | Azar: I think it's set for Thursday |
| 03:55.37 | Azar | dvs, if I don't have any email can it send? |
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| 03:55.44 | dvs | Azar: nope |
| 03:55.52 | Azar | :( im such a bummer |
| 03:56.24 | Azar | for all it says <NOFILES> |
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| 03:56.39 | Azar | too bad, I wanted to participate |
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| 03:57.16 | Uriel_darling | hey i got nero linux |
| 03:57.26 | Uriel_darling | i was wondering how do i run it? |
| 03:57.32 | Uriel_darling | I mean, it's installed |
| 03:57.41 | Uriel_darling | but it need root i think to be run |
| 03:58.03 | Uriel_darling | and sudo don't work, nor does sudo su |
| 03:58.15 | Uriel_darling | each time i get Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 03:58.28 | cheal | Uriel_darling: nero linux is not supported on this channel |
| 03:58.34 | Azar | nero is non-free |
| 03:58.38 | Uriel_darling | ohh |
| 03:58.42 | Uriel_darling | ok ^_^ |
| 03:58.45 | sjr | Uriel_darling: try k3b |
| 03:59.05 | Uriel_darling | Apt-get? |
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| 03:59.19 | sjr | Uriel_darling: apt-get install k3b, aye |
| 03:59.51 | sjr | Uriel_darling: oh, about that cannot open display: try using sux instead of su |
| 04:00.42 | mhall | Dewi: you didn't take the warning seriously: 19:34 < delire> mhall: it's a wound upon cognition itself.. tattoos the cerebellum of the recipient.. |
| 04:01.39 | Azar | it should not use mail, rather some kind of upload |
| 04:01.44 | Dewi | mhall: yeah, but that just sounds like the code I have to maintain every day |
| 04:01.48 | Azar | I really wanted to participate dammit |
| 04:03.10 | KerPlunk | How can I get that nice gui NetworkManager that Ubuntu has and it manages all of your wireless/wired/any network device. |
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| 04:04.04 | Azar | KerPlunk: did you see my screenshot? |
| 04:04.09 | De_Mon | someone told me asterisk 1.2.4 was uploaded to unstable several days ago, why do I still see 12.1? |
| 04:04.22 | LinuxKeitaro | the wireless card is ALIVE! (evil mad scientist laughter) |
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| 04:04.49 | SerajewelKS | De_Mon: apt-get update? mirror out of sync? |
| 04:04.55 | cheal | De_Mon: it was only uploaded, it's not accepted yet |
| 04:04.56 | SerajewelKS | De_Mon: the tide changed? |
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| 04:05.40 | De_Mon | cheal ah, is there a webpage that has upload satuses or something? |
| 04:06.14 | cheal | !tell De_Mon about new |
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| 04:06.41 | De_Mon | awesome |
| 04:07.16 | Azar | KerPlunk: I was right the Alioth link found in google was fake. |
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| 04:08.09 | ke6isf | Is Germany using Euros these days instead of DM? |
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| 04:08.35 | Azar | ke6isf: unfortunately yes |
| 04:08.48 | sanmarcos | how can I give an user access to my X so it can execute programs while X is running on another user? |
| 04:08.50 | KerPlunk | cheal: mplayer is going into unstable? |
| 04:08.51 | Azar | DM used to be THE sheet |
| 04:08.53 | britt____ | whats a wildcard for a hostname |
| 04:08.56 | britt____ | ? |
| 04:09.17 | britt____ | * or 0.0.0.0 (ips dont work here) |
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| 04:09.40 | cheal | KerPlunk: possibly. that's why it's in NEW |
| 04:10.22 | britt____ | ke6isf: i dont see why they WOULD still use DMs |
| 04:10.27 | cisee | sanmarcos: xhost ? |
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| 04:10.39 | britt____ | what is vnc? |
| 04:10.47 | britt____ | sanmarcos: vnc |
| 04:10.52 | sanmarcos | cisee: my user cannot execute GUI apps cannot open display: :0.0 how can I give it permission? |
| 04:11.03 | sjr | sanmarcos: xhost + |
| 04:11.04 | sanmarcos | britt: eh? vnc is for something else |
| 04:11.10 | sjr | sanmarcos: maybe |
| 04:11.22 | mhall | Dewi: so disclaimers are lost on you |
| 04:11.36 | britt____ | i need a hostname wildcard |
| 04:11.36 | mhall | ke6isf: yes and the euro is cauing a lot of shit there |
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| 04:11.57 | SerajewelKS | cheal: damn, yics is still NEW? how long does it take for packages to be accepted? |
| 04:11.58 | mhall | ke6isf: because the country is in recession while other parts of EU are in inflation |
| 04:13.00 | mhall | ke6isf: so they can't hack on the interest rate to kick out the production curve |
| 04:13.00 | mhall | abrotman: cya |
| 04:13.00 | sanmarcos | sjr: no |
| 04:13.00 | Azar | hi abrotman :) |
| 04:13.01 | liltank | sup ppl |
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| 04:13.02 | Azar | naw, I am serious if Debian is related to Alioth, guys, you should know there is a fake one around |
| 04:13.04 | adamrenie | can debian read ntfs volues? |
| 04:13.06 | britt____ | Guerin: do you know a hostname wildcard? |
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| 04:13.10 | chealer9 | KerPlunk: sorry, I lost my internet connection |
| 04:13.10 | britt____ | adamrenie: yes |
| 04:13.22 | Guerin | britt____: *.something? |
| 04:13.34 | chealer9 | KerPlunk: I was saying to myself... |
| 04:13.40 | chealer9 | KerPlunk: possibly. that's why it's in NEW |
| 04:13.46 | chealer9 | KerPlunk: note that mplayer is in NEW since at least half a year |
| 04:13.49 | chealer9 | !tell KerPlunk about mplayer faq |
| 04:13.51 | britt____ | Guerin: what goes in the something? |
| 04:13.58 | cisee | adamrenie: read is easy, write is tricky; mount -t ntfs /dev/hda /mnt/ntfsdrive/ |
| 04:14.10 | adamrenie | britt____: is support built in, or is it a seperate install |
| 04:14.15 | adamrenie | oh, okay |
| 04:14.27 | britt____ | adamrenie: for read built in |
| 04:14.30 | adamrenie | what part is tricky? |
| 04:14.32 | britt____ | write...i dunno |
| 04:14.32 | liltank | write is bad |
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| 04:14.56 | liltank | could crash or erase HD |
| 04:15.04 | adamrenie | do you think support will get better? |
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| 04:15.25 | adamrenie | i have 4 250 GB drives almost full, but they are ntfs |
| 04:15.40 | liltank | hehe |
| 04:15.58 | gravity | Azar: What about alioth? |
| 04:16.03 | liltank | 4 is |
| 04:16.05 | liltank | alot |
| 04:17.28 | mhall | adamrenie: no it cannot |
| 04:17.44 | mhall | adamrenie: NTFS is an enterprise journal file system with ACLs |
| 04:17.54 | mhall | adamrenie: nobody can reverse engineer it |
| 04:17.57 | KerPlunk | chealer9: ahh I see..half a year. |
| 04:17.59 | mhall | adamrenie: it's too bizarre |
| 04:18.04 | mhall | adamrenie: there is however a hack |
| 04:18.23 | chealer9 | KerPlunk: you'd probably have to compile networkManager from source if you can't wait for it to be accepted in Debian |
| 04:18.42 | KerPlunk | chealer9: It's not even in unstable yet? |
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| 04:18.53 | mhall | adamrenie: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 04:18.54 | chealer9 | KerPlunk: no, it's in NEW |
| 04:18.54 | rublind | is it possible to update from debian to ubuntu? |
| 04:18.54 | KerPlunk | chealer9: I heard compiling network manager is impossible..something about *dbus* |
| 04:18.56 | adamrenie | mhall: is there a better format that can be easily used by linux and windows? |
| 04:19.04 | mhall | adamrenie: it's an extremely good hack that will do the job |
| 04:19.06 | chealer9 | rublind: ask #ubuntu |
| 04:19.17 | mhall | adamrenie: can you somehow run both at once and use Samba? |
| 04:19.18 | rublind | chealer9: I did =p |
| 04:19.20 | chealer9 | KerPlunk: hum, that would be surprising |
| 04:19.28 | mhall | adamrenie: consider the vmware player for this task |
| 04:19.30 | devazion | adamreniem: on cross systems, i always used FAT32. |
| 04:19.33 | rublind | Okay, next question: what's the fastest mirror if I live in california? anyone know? |
| 04:19.48 | mhall | devazion: this is not possible on extremely large volumes |
| 04:19.50 | KerPlunk | chealer9: why are some in new.html in red? |
| 04:19.58 | Acid`X | anyone knows how is it called the package for the gdm manager for gnome? |
| 04:20.02 | devazion | mhall, sure is. that "bug?" is easily workaroundable |
| 04:20.09 | adamrenie | okay, thank you everyone fro your help |
| 04:20.14 | chealer9 | rublind: use apt-spy or netselect |
| 04:20.15 | adamrenie | i really appreciate it |
| 04:20.18 | mhall | devazion: it wastes space because of cluster size fuckuppage and extremely slow to defragment |
| 04:20.19 | devazion | mhall, if you create your partition outside windows, windows will mount your super-big fat32 for you ;) |
| 04:20.28 | mhall | adamrenie: i hope this will create some ideas for you |
| 04:20.28 | chealer9 | KerPlunk: targeted at experimental |
| 04:20.39 | mhall | devazion: i'm not an idiot, i was referring to a much more complex problem |
| 04:20.42 | rublind | chealer9: I'm doing a floppy install of debian... I don't think it has "apt-spy" or "netselect" |
| 04:20.43 | gravity | Acid`X: uh... gdm? |
| 04:20.57 | mhall | devazion: that it took 2 weeks for me to defragment a 200GB volume |
| 04:20.58 | devazion | mhall, i'm sorry |
| 04:21.07 | devazion | mhall, phew OO |
| 04:21.19 | Acid`X | gravity: yes, gdm |
| 04:21.26 | mhall | devazion: not trying to be rude; it's just on irc i always get bitched at for not being clear enough |
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| 04:21.37 | chealer9 | rublind: hah. then find another way to answer your question |
| 04:21.37 | Acid`X | gravity: its the one that lets you customize gdm |
| 04:21.38 | devazion | mhall, np |
| 04:21.40 | mhall | devazion: so i have adopted a pretty blunt style just so that it's more clear what i mean |
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| 04:21.58 | KerPlunk | chealer9: why would something not be in unstable yet and be targetted for testing? |
| 04:22.10 | mhall | devazion: with lots of traffic, 800 users, and every country in the world in this chan, you have to really be pretty loud |
| 04:22.11 | rublind | thanks chealer9 |
| 04:22.17 | gravity | Acid`X: It's called gdm |
| 04:22.27 | devazion | mhall, yeah, could be. |
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| 04:22.47 | britt____ | there is SOMEBODY here that can help me I know. I have exhausted every way that i know of for allowing hosts to relay mail to my server...is there anything else i can try in the ways of conf files? |
| 04:22.53 | Acid`X | gravity: and how do i get up the tool to customize it? |
| 04:23.08 | Teolupus | I heard about a kernel branch (something like x.y.w.z) which intend to be "stable" like the ones mainteined at distros... can someone remember me the correct name??? |
| 04:23.09 | devazion | mhall, but still, about fat32 on big drives, it do works right? slow defrags might be worth it if this guy really wants ready/write safe in both his environments? |
| 04:23.22 | gravity | Acid`X: It's in the place with the rest of the gdm settings. Or you can edit the config file yourself. |
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| 04:23.32 | chealer9 | KerPlunk: hum, "targeted" as you used it is a vague. term. packages uploaded to unstable are uploaded there with the intention that they get in testing |
| 04:24.17 | chealer9 | Teolupus: ask #kernel |
| 04:24.56 | Teolupus | chealer9: People there seems to be sleeping already :P |
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| 04:26.02 | Azar | britt____ you really need a mail on your box? I use a webmail account, don't want to break my head with linux mail |
| 04:26.24 | Azar | britt____: the worse part is setting up mail with Debian |
| 04:26.39 | Guerin | setting up mail isn't hard if you know what you're doing |
| 04:27.04 | Azar | Guerin, I am not forte at network, connections ports and stuff.. |
| 04:27.29 | Azar | tried postfix 2 years ago, it never worked, I gave it up |
| 04:27.40 | liltank | any one know whats the best book out there on C++ |
| 04:27.52 | Guerin | running a mailserver has almost nothing to do with network, connections ports and stuff |
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| 04:28.23 | Guerin | it has to do with understanding how the smtp protocol works, and reading documentation |
| 04:28.27 | cisee | Azar: postfix is great and pretty easy to setup imho, their wiki is incredible |
| 04:28.47 | cisee | liltank: how much do you know about c++ and do you know any other languages ? |
| 04:28.49 | Azar | Guerin, my dream was to have my own mailserver but I could not make it ... yet |
| 04:28.54 | Azar | I will try again.. |
| 04:29.03 | KerPlunk | chealer9: right..but on new.html it shows it going into experimental...but how can it go into experimental without going to unstable first? |
| 04:29.16 | Azar | My ISP is super, they gave me all freedom to use my own mailserver |
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| 04:29.32 | SimonRaven | KerPlunk: um, why should it? |
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| 04:29.42 | cisee | Azar: there is a good article on debian-administration.org on how to use postfix too |
| 04:29.57 | liltank | hello pro |
| 04:30.06 | chealer9 | KerPlunk: I guess you don't know what's experimental |
| 04:30.09 | chealer9 | !experimental |
| 04:30.09 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 04:30.14 | Azar | cisee, I will try I remember I used to read all tutorials on postfix, but I never managed to make it work |
| 04:30.19 | britt____ | Azar: I really would liek to have this work, I have *EVERYTHING* else working on my box (webmail, etc.) and i can read mail, and i can *ALMOST* send mail... |
| 04:30.35 | britt____ | im SO close i can feel it, i just need to get this thing to work |
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| 04:30.56 | Azar | britt____ as I said, I tried on my own doing lots of reading online, but I did not UNDERSTAND... |
| 04:30.59 | mhall | chealer9: btw i use all experimental for my box :-) |
| 04:31.26 | mhall | devazion: the real fix i think is captive NTFS |
| 04:31.27 | britt____ | Azar: so how far along are you? |
| 04:31.38 | mhall | devazion: check it out and you'll probably see what i mean |
| 04:31.47 | chealer9 | !worstsmite mhall |
| 04:31.49 | Azar | sigh, I have a good box, Sarge working like a charm, ISP giving me green lights for it, and I wasnt able |
| 04:31.52 | mhall | Guerin: nothing i can't fix with knoppix |
| 04:31.54 | Guerin | captive isn't a fix, it's a dirty workaround |
| 04:32.00 | tuv | wpa_supplicant (wpa2) wouldn't work with 2.6.15 kernel. i says: "ENGINE: ctrl cmd_string failed: LOAD (null) ... could not load the shared library] SSL: Faild to initialize TLS cntext." among other things |
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| 04:32.15 | Azar | britt____ at this time: 0 |
| 04:32.18 | mhall | Azar: wtf happened |
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| 04:32.24 | tuv | i says = it says |
| 04:32.30 | liltank | cisee |
| 04:32.35 | cisee | liltank ? |
| 04:32.41 | liltank | i dont know much |
| 04:32.49 | Azar | mhall well I used to try postfix 3 years ago while on Woody... newbie too... maybe now I will be able to pick it up |
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| 04:33.00 | liltank | but i wanna learn C++ cuz of its system programming |
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| 04:33.18 | cisee | ah |
| 04:33.20 | liltank | i heard i should start with java> |
| 04:33.22 | britt____ | Azar: everytrhing else is easy, ive done it like four times already in a one year period. i can help you out get to where I am, btu i just have this one last step to go. |
| 04:33.28 | cisee | i would start with 'c++ primer' by lippman and lajole |
| 04:33.34 | mhall | liltank: i wouldn't use either one |
| 04:33.38 | cisee | and then maybe read some meyer |
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| 04:33.44 | liltank | which sould i start with |
| 04:33.51 | mhall | liltank: i'd suggest you learned Scheme or Lisp |
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| 04:34.00 | cisee | or python |
| 04:34.00 | liltank | i see |
| 04:34.03 | mhall | liltank: they did more for my programming brain than anything else i learned |
| 04:34.11 | liltank | haha |
| 04:34.18 | mhall | liltank: yeah and if you want to go more traditional try C# or Python |
| 04:34.29 | liltank | traditional > |
| 04:34.31 | mhall | liltank: C# is available for Linux and it does work very well |
| 04:34.31 | liltank | ? |
| 04:34.37 | cisee | liltank: i agree with mhall those two languages will make you a more excellent programmer |
| 04:34.38 | liltank | i see |
| 04:34.42 | devazion | o.O |
| 04:34.42 | tuv | it seems kernel 2.6.15 includes ipw2200 1.0.8.. pretty recent! |
| 04:34.46 | mhall | liltank: Scheme and Lisp are weird; let me give you a link so you can see why |
| 04:34.52 | liltank | ok thkx guys |
| 04:34.56 | SimonRaven | i like python, despite the pickiness with whitespace |
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| 04:35.12 | mhall | liltank: http://www2.latech.edu/~acm/HelloWorld.shtml |
| 04:35.15 | liltank | k |
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| 04:35.26 | liltank | whats www2 |
| 04:35.31 | mhall | liltank: in this link you can see that Algol, C, C++, C# are pretty traditional looking |
| 04:35.38 | SimonRaven | just a sub domain |
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| 04:35.46 | SimonRaven | s/ /-/ |
| 04:35.46 | mhall | liltank: and if you look at Scheme and Lisp they are kind of strange |
| 04:35.50 | tuv | a host in this case |
| 04:35.54 | Azar | liltank: view 99 bottles of beer to see which language you like most: there are samples there |
| 04:36.05 | Teolupus | Someone here is a Debian kernel mainteiner? |
| 04:36.12 | Guerin | Teolupus: no. |
| 04:36.17 | cisee | liltank: #c++ on efnet has a bot that recommend some quality books like dpkg |
| 04:36.23 | SimonRaven | 'maintainer' |
| 04:36.40 | mhall | !tell Teolupus about ask |
| 04:36.42 | liltank | ok |
| 04:36.46 | Teolupus | I'd like to hear about 2.6 (unpatched) stability |
| 04:36.49 | mhall | !tell Teolupus about poll |
| 04:36.58 | mhall | liltank: http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/ |
| 04:37.03 | Azar | 2.6 what? |
| 04:37.10 | SimonRaven | 2.6 turds |
| 04:37.15 | Azar | :) |
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| 04:37.21 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 04:37.21 | tuv | does wpa_supplicant work with kernel 2.6.15? |
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| 04:38.15 | nichos | Hi all, im running linux 2.6 and im trying to gt lmsensors working. It's saying: Use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them" where/how can i do this? |
| 04:38.25 | mhall | how do i get irssi to autonickserv me |
| 04:38.33 | Teolupus | What do you think about the plain (unchanged / unpatched) 2.6.14 kernel? Stable??? |
| 04:38.36 | KerPlunk | tuv: You have an ipw2200 card and it worked out of the box with 2.6.15*? |
| 04:38.40 | mhall | i always forget to do it then wonder why people ignore me on PRIVMSG |
| 04:38.53 | SimonRaven | !tell Teolupus -about polls |
| 04:39.03 | mhall | SimonRaven: already did; did not work |
| 04:39.05 | Guerin | Teolupus: if you want to know about the stock kernel, ask lkml. If you want to know about the debian 2.6.14 kernel, ask the BTS |
| 04:39.06 | tuv | KerPlunk: it did, but with no security. wpa_supplicant wouldn't work |
| 04:39.20 | SimonRaven | you did 'poll' |
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| 04:39.51 | Uriel_darling | hey, anyone know a command line e-mail client? |
| 04:39.57 | Uriel_darling | pop3 |
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| 04:40.05 | KerPlunk | !tell Uriel_darling about mutt |
| 04:40.08 | SimonRaven | what? |
| 04:40.30 | Guerin | telnet |
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| 04:40.46 | Teolupus | Guerin: Thanks |
| 04:40.55 | SimonRaven | this kind of thing reminds me of spammers that try to do HTTP/1.1 and POST on my MTA ... |
| 04:41.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:41.07 | Guerin | oh, btw |
| 04:41.23 | Guerin | the spamhaus rbl ain't doing shit to my spam counts |
| 04:41.24 | Uriel_darling | how do i get man pages? |
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| 04:41.29 | Guerin | if anything I get MORE spam now |
| 04:41.33 | Uriel_darling | On how to use mutt, and some ohter apps |
| 04:41.37 | SimonRaven | Uriel_darling: man man |
| 04:41.39 | tuv | KerPlunk: any idea about how to run wpa_supplicant with 2.6.15? i tried both -D ipw and -D wext, but it says it has a problem with SSL!! |
| 04:41.46 | Guerin | Uriel_darling: install the package and type 'man manualname' |
| 04:42.03 | Guerin | i should set up greylisting |
| 04:42.09 | KerPlunk | !tell Uriel_darling about man |
| 04:42.10 | foot | i just discovered imaze, and realized i am about 6 years too late. does anybody still play it? |
| 04:42.18 | jetscreamer | you debian guru type ppl can't break anything |
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| 04:42.32 | Guerin | jetscreamer: lies! i break shit all the time! |
| 04:42.43 | Guerin | then again, I'm not a guru-type person |
| 04:42.47 | Uriel_darling | I'm so proud of my self for installing flux, and sudo and such on my own ^_^ |
| 04:42.48 | Uriel_darling | lol |
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| 04:43.15 | KerPlunk | What is flux? |
| 04:43.18 | devazion | liltank, (about the programming-language discussion earlier) check out Digital Marsh D ( http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ ), it always fascinated me :) |
| 04:43.19 | liltank | fluxbox |
| 04:43.26 | Guerin | KerPlunk: the stuff you use to make solder stick to metal |
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| 04:43.58 | devazion | KerPlunk, yep, before you meld it together you might need to apply flux to keep it clean |
| 04:43.59 | foot | well, if anybody wants to, there's an imaze server at: 66.235.25.133:9922 |
| 04:44.08 | SimonRaven | Guerin: WorksForMe; using the debian exim4 daemon-heavy (has all that neat stuff like *sql and ldap support + exiscan) |
| 04:44.10 | Uriel_darling | Fluxbox, the window manager |
| 04:44.13 | Uriel_darling | It's awesome. |
| 04:44.21 | Guerin | SimonRaven: greylisting? |
| 04:44.21 | liltank | yea |
| 04:44.22 | devazion | Uriel_darling, really? |
| 04:44.35 | liltank | thats why i wanted to learn C++ |
| 04:44.41 | liltank | bcuz of fluxbox |
| 04:44.42 | kspath | wow look at that openbox3 and blackbox and ion3 |
| 04:44.48 | SimonRaven | jetscreamer: sure we can. just means it breaks harder and into littler pieces :P |
| 04:45.05 | Uriel_darling | anyone ever use ratpoison? |
| 04:45.07 | Guerin | somehow I always come out with more pieces than I went in with |
| 04:45.13 | Guerin | !anyone use ratpoison? |
| 04:45.13 | dpkg | No, no one uses ratpoison, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:45.15 | devazion | liltank, it's a wierd reason to learn c++, but hey, who cares? there are PLENTY of really really good tutorials for c++ out there. I wouldn't reccomend any of them though |
| 04:45.25 | Uriel_darling | heh |
| 04:45.29 | SimonRaven | Guerin: spamhaus rbl; though you can do that too; libspfquery-perl (?) has a spfd |
| 04:45.29 | devazion | rofl |
| 04:45.38 | streuner | Uriel_darling: /msg dpgk ask |
| 04:45.45 | Guerin | SimonRaven: hm. |
| 04:45.51 | streuner | Uriel_darling: /msg dpkg ask |
| 04:46.03 | Guerin | I have to go throw shit out now |
| 04:46.12 | Guerin | moving house normally is bad enough |
| 04:46.21 | Uriel_darling | one last question, cause i know i'm getting anoying |
| 04:46.30 | Guerin | but when you can only keep as much as you can fit into two packs, it's a whole lot more suckful |
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| 04:46.40 | Uriel_darling | how would i go about getting my scroll wheel to work on my mouse? |
| 04:46.49 | SimonRaven | guru is such an over-used word. seriously though, i wouldn't it for myself. there's many more people that are really gurus |
| 04:46.55 | SimonRaven | use it* |
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| 04:47.28 | SimonRaven | Guerin: we've done that. even had to pare down *that* once. *hard* to do |
| 04:47.56 | adamrenie | goodnight all |
| 04:48.12 | SimonRaven | it's a good lesson in what's really important, if you hadn't realised already. friends, family, and all that good stuff |
| 04:48.14 | devazion | Uriel_darling, oh lord. under Selection "Pointer" in your Xconfig file (/etc/X11/xorg.conf) you will have to add: ZAxisMapping 4 5 |
| 04:48.41 | Woosta | guru == don't know that there's things they don't know |
| 04:48.55 | SimonRaven | !tell Woosta -about guru |
| 04:49.08 | SimonRaven | Woosta: no, that's cluebie |
| 04:50.10 | Uriel_darling | xorg.conf? I don't have that file... is it XF86Config-4? |
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| 04:50.40 | devazion | Uriel_darling, then use that one. |
| 04:50.57 | devazion | devazion, are you on debian stable? ^^ |
| 04:50.58 | zzer | Uriel_darling: ls -al /etc/X11 |
| 04:50.59 | Guerin | SimonRaven: yeh. I'm at 15kg, deb is at about 12. |
| 04:51.08 | devazion | Uriel_darling, are you on stable? * |
| 04:51.15 | kspath | Why the heck is there a vim64 associated with a non-AMD64 install?!?! |
| 04:51.29 | Uriel_darling | Devazion, yeah stable netinstall |
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| 04:51.45 | Guerin | KerPlunk: apt-cache show vim64 |
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| 04:52.02 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu. | BORKED: packages.d.o, use pdo.debian.net instead | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
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| 04:52.11 | jetscreamer | you have an lib64 or so directory |
| 04:52.18 | devazion | !tell Uriel_darling about xorg |
| 04:52.33 | Uriel_darling | it's already in the config... |
| 04:52.50 | Uriel_darling | i just can't scroll on any page |
| 04:53.15 | devazion | Uriel_darling, i'm out of tricks |
| 04:53.31 | Uriel_darling | oh well, thanks ^_^ |
| 04:53.35 | Uriel_darling | It's not important |
| 04:53.41 | Supaplex | I have plenty of tricks. it's the milk and dishes I'm out of |
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| 04:53.53 | devazion | Supaplex :( |
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| 04:56.32 | rublind | what's the package name for gnome in apt-get? |
| 04:56.57 | streuner | rublind: what version of debian are you running? |
| 04:57.07 | rublind | streuner: newest one I think... |
| 04:57.10 | rublind | Sarge? |
| 04:57.15 | devazion | Uriel_darling, as i suppose you are running debian to run a mail server... why dont you try out testing net install? |
| 04:57.19 | streuner | rublind: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 04:58.01 | Uriel_darling | I was told to avoid testing, untill i'm a little better at all this |
| 04:58.12 | QQmelo | hola, como andan? |
| 04:58.13 | rublind | It points to my cd drive, which was an ubuntu cd. |
| 04:58.15 | QQmelo | !es |
| 04:58.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:58.25 | devazion | Uriel_darling, ok :) |
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| 04:58.53 | Uriel_darling | better knowledge over it all |
| 04:59.21 | Uriel_darling | i'm getting there, slowly. with the help of some nice people ^_^ |
| 04:59.35 | rublind | How do I build a mirror list for sources.list? |
| 05:00.21 | streuner | rublind: why not just answering one question and step to the next? |
| 05:00.45 | streuner | rublind: #ubuntu? |
| 05:00.53 | rublind | streunner: Because I figure that if I don't have anything in my sources.list file, I wont be able to download the package. I have sarge. |
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| 05:01.43 | rublind | struener: I couldn't install ubuntu. |
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| 05:02.03 | rublind | streuner: I wanted that, no offense, but I can't boot from the cd-drive, so yeah. |
| 05:02.34 | devazion | lol ^^ |
| 05:02.54 | sandman | What does it mean when I get Input/Output errors on my HDD? |
| 05:03.03 | sandman | Could it potentially be filesystem errors? |
| 05:03.05 | sandman | Or is that hardware. |
| 05:03.11 | mhall | !tell sandman about paste |
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| 05:03.29 | rublind | Can anyone give me a fast server? |
| 05:03.32 | mhall | sandman: different ones mean different crap; my advice is assume it's bad until proven good |
| 05:03.34 | sandman | I didn't paste. |
| 05:03.34 | rublind | For sources.list |
| 05:03.43 | mhall | !tell rublind about return |
| 05:03.45 | britt____ | sandman: when i got those on one of my harddrives it was hardware |
| 05:03.52 | mhall | sandman: i want you to pastebin the log of it |
| 05:03.56 | mhall | sandman: f0ck |
| 05:03.58 | Uriel_darling | Rublind, no cd room boot? |
| 05:04.03 | Uriel_darling | you have a floppy? |
| 05:04.06 | mhall | rublind: alright so where are you |
| 05:04.14 | rublind | uriel_darling: I installed debian via floppy. |
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| 05:04.28 | rublind | mhall: I don't know what you mean about "return" |
| 05:04.48 | devazion | rublind, he means, try using "." instead of "new line" |
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| 05:04.54 | mhall | rublind: nevermind. where are you located? |
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| 05:05.04 | rublind | devazion: oh, okay. mhall: los angeles |
| 05:05.12 | mhall | rublind: we have 800 users; it pays not to scroll overly much |
| 05:05.23 | mhall | rublind: i will link you to a working one for CA, US |
| 05:05.23 | rublind | mhall: okay, yeah, sorry, my apologies. =) |
| 05:05.30 | rublind | mhall: thank you. |
| 05:05.47 | mhall | rublind: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 05:05.55 | mhall | rublind: deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 05:05.57 | sandman | Just a lot of these: cp: reading `My Music/Blackthorn - Celtic Symphony.mp3': Input/output error |
| 05:06.01 | sandman | About 50 of them. |
| 05:06.08 | mhall | rublind: of course, insert appropriate debian version |
| 05:06.12 | mhall | rublind: apt-get update |
| 05:06.17 | sandman | And only when copying from my ntfs part so far. |
| 05:06.17 | britt____ | sandman: just that one file? |
| 05:06.27 | sandman | britt____: No. About 50 other files so far. |
| 05:06.29 | markybob | sandman, say goooooodbye..... |
| 05:06.37 | britt____ | sandman: my hdd did the same thing |
| 05:06.43 | britt____ | hardware on the drive |
| 05:06.46 | sandman | britt____: But I just bought my hdd. |
| 05:06.54 | rublind | mhall: okay, I'll try that, thank you. |
| 05:07.05 | markybob | sandman, replace the cable and see if it continues |
| 05:07.08 | britt____ | sandman: could be filesystem corruption too |
| 05:07.21 | britt____ | or the cable |
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| 05:07.35 | devazion | rublind, you can either try to "upgrate" to ubuntu via new sources or try to work around your cd-rom problem. i can fetch a guide where you can use your floppy so you can boot stuff from cd even if your bios doesnt support it. want it or do you want to upgrade? |
| 05:08.23 | sandman | Well, I just did a fresh install of debian on my hdd. |
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| 05:08.33 | sandman | And it's perfectly fine so far, as far as I can see. |
| 05:08.38 | rublind | devazion: I think it's safer to install ubuntu fresh, because I hear that an update can ruin things. If you could find something, I'd greatly apreciate it. |
| 05:08.40 | sandman | In fact, I'm talking to you right now from the installation. |
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| 05:09.09 | bleaked- | could someone point me to a good guide/howto/faq/doc about running apps from a RAM disk..? |
| 05:09.26 | devazion | rublind, i'm working on it then. :) |
| 05:09.35 | natron | is anyone here using their treo650 as a wireless modem? |
| 05:09.36 | rublind | devazion: thank you very much. =) |
| 05:09.44 | devazion | rublind, i found it. http://btmgr.webframe.org/ |
| 05:10.06 | rublind | devazion: that was fast. My googling skills must be very poor compared to yours. |
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| 05:10.21 | rublind | devazion: no wait, I tried this, and couldn't get it to work. :-p |
| 05:10.46 | devazion | rublind, yeah or perhaps i have a VERY fast connection :)... what happend when you tried it? couldnt boot from cd from it anyway? |
| 05:11.13 | rublind | devazion: well, before I was running windows, and I didn't know the i/o ports. The cd drive is really old, and is connected via pcmcia. |
| 05:11.17 | streuner | rublind: are you care to be ON-Topic here? |
| 05:11.30 | rublind | streunner: my apologies. |
| 05:11.33 | brittman914 | streuner: calm down |
| 05:11.39 | devazion | streuner, don't blame him. |
| 05:11.49 | streuner | brittman914: iam totally calm ;-) |
| 05:12.24 | brittman914 | streuner: can you help me with exim4 relay permissions |
| 05:12.58 | streuner | brittman914: sorry, iam using postfix |
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| 05:13.24 | brittman914 | thats it...im goign to postfix tomorrow. |
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| 05:13.46 | brittman914 | or i'll build a test system |
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| 05:13.55 | brittman914 | and test postfix. |
| 05:14.02 | markybob | brittman914, smart |
| 05:14.06 | brittman914 | later all! |
| 05:14.17 | markybob | brittman914, i suggest you use this as a guide for setting up postfix http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_sarge |
| 05:15.10 | brittman914 | markybob: yeah it'll give my pentium 75 something to do |
| 05:15.16 | brittman914 | markybob: thanks... |
| 05:16.15 | tuv | so what's supposed to be better in 2.6.15 than 2.6.12 kernels? |
| 05:16.28 | two_am | +.3 |
| 05:16.54 | streuner | tuv: changelog would tell you |
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| 05:17.31 | tuv | i was looking for some discussion |
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| 05:18.23 | liltank | ok i out a newbie question what langauge is linux wriitten with |
| 05:18.36 | markybob | the kernel? C |
| 05:18.47 | liltank | ok |
| 05:18.53 | cisee | mostly c liltank |
| 05:19.02 | liltank | mostly |
| 05:19.06 | liltank | which is the others |
| 05:19.49 | markybob | ? i've never known any part of the kernel to be anything other than C |
| 05:19.56 | liltank | ij |
| 05:19.58 | liltank | ok |
| 05:20.00 | tuv | where is openssl help files (which package)? openssl engine help -> /usr/lib/ssl/engines/libhelp.so not found |
| 05:20.02 | ambrose | some of it is written in assembler |
| 05:20.11 | cisee | i haven't examined all the kernel source so i can only say mostly =P |
| 05:20.19 | liltank | ok |
| 05:20.39 | liltank | anyone got gentoo |
| 05:20.48 | markybob | liltank, yes. the guys in #gentoo |
| 05:20.49 | Gnea | people in #gentoo do |
| 05:20.49 | liltank | it takes me 13 hours to compile |
| 05:20.53 | liltank | lol |
| 05:20.58 | Gnea | sucks to be you |
| 05:21.02 | liltank | haha |
| 05:21.02 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:21.03 | liltank | yea |
| 05:21.23 | liltank | getting athlon 60 soon |
| 05:21.31 | liltank | saving up my pennies |
| 05:21.33 | Gnea | that might shave an hour or 2 off |
| 05:22.12 | *** join/#debian bleaked (n=bleaked@CPE-70-94-13-227.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 05:22.15 | Gnea | meanwhile i can have a fully operational debian workstation up and running within 45 minutes |
| 05:22.21 | liltank | haha |
| 05:22.35 | Gnea | even on a p3 |
| 05:22.41 | tuv | openssl misses some commands' libraries: can't do "openssl engine list" or "openssl engine help".. why is that? |
| 05:22.42 | liltank | i have debian |
| 05:22.49 | cisee | run approx and you can do it in 20 gnea |
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| 05:23.00 | SimonRaven | tuv: because it doesn't have engine support |
| 05:23.12 | liltank | join |
| 05:23.13 | Gnea | good point |
| 05:23.18 | liltank | /join |
| 05:23.27 | [R]ick-BX | had debain up and running around 20 - 25 mins |
| 05:23.29 | liltank | join / |
| 05:23.37 | tuv | SimonRaven: there are some libraries in /usr/lib/ssl/engines. besides, where do i get engine support? |
| 05:23.39 | liltank | how i join gentoo |
| 05:23.41 | markybob | liltank, dude. seriously? |
| 05:23.41 | rublind | liltank you need a channel |
| 05:23.42 | liltank | anyone know |
| 05:23.45 | markybob | liltank, /join #gentoo |
| 05:23.48 | rublind | ./join #gentoo |
| 05:23.53 | Jeeaar | hmm... i know nothing about debian, but i have a different question, can someone point me to a better channel? |
| 05:23.59 | SimonRaven | you have to enable it at build time |
| 05:24.09 | liltank | first time on xchat dont flame me ok |
| 05:24.10 | liltank | lol |
| 05:24.12 | tuv | SimonRaven: what about debian packages? |
| 05:24.15 | SimonRaven | Jeeaar: different channel for what? |
| 05:24.18 | markybob | Jeeaar, considering you havent mentioned what your question is concerning, ? |
| 05:24.24 | SimonRaven | tuv: ask the maintainer |
| 05:24.31 | Gnea | liltank: type this where you're typing now: /join #gentoo |
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| 05:25.11 | liltank | and i was looking for prompt when i typed /join like in starcraft |
| 05:25.18 | liltank | lol |
| 05:25.32 | Gnea | should just open another tab |
| 05:25.34 | Jeeaar | yeah, sorry. whats the best way to connect to a friends computer through the net, we arent on a local network, experimenting with er.. forced access |
| 05:25.34 | Gnea | ah ok |
| 05:25.36 | Gnea | u got it |
| 05:25.39 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 05:25.40 | Gnea | er, you |
| 05:26.05 | Gnea | Jeeaar: there are many number of methods. |
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| 05:26.30 | Jeeaar | yeah, i figured there would be, thats why i dont want to interrupt this discussion any more than i already have. is there a better channel for this |
| 05:26.32 | Jeeaar | ? |
| 05:26.35 | siimo | anyone know what program i can use to watch streaming windows media 9 (RTSP) feed on debian? i have tried VLC player but doesnt work |
| 05:26.47 | markybob | siimo, mplayer ? |
| 05:26.55 | SimonRaven | no, there aren't any skript kiddie channels here |
| 05:27.08 | markybob | Jeeaar, for that you want efnet |
| 05:27.14 | siimo | markybob, mplayer has windows media support? |
| 05:27.16 | Jeeaar | lol. not a script kiddie channel, just lookign to learn something. |
| 05:27.26 | markybob | siimo, if you have w32codecs installed, it should handle it ok |
| 05:27.39 | siimo | thanks will give it a go |
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| 05:27.47 | ascendchris | hey |
| 05:27.52 | Gnea | Jeeaar: ssh |
| 05:28.00 | SimonRaven | then instead of being cryptic you should come out and be honest. makes people's alarm bells go off |
| 05:28.28 | ascendchris | support my digg ripoff guys - www.nfiltrate.com |
| 05:28.42 | SimonRaven | go support yourself |
| 05:28.57 | Gnea | ascendchris: get the fuck out. |
| 05:29.03 | SimonRaven | !Gnea++ |
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| 05:29.25 | ke6isf | Quick, everybody /msg ascendchris and call him a spammer! |
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| 05:30.06 | ascendchris | do it do it! |
| 05:30.23 | ke6isf | !ops ascendchris joined and spammed |
| 05:30.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ascendchris joined and spammed |
| 05:30.27 | ascendchris | i just want to get it off the ground, sorry to bother you guys |
| 05:30.31 | Gnea | ascendchris: your site sucks so much ass. |
| 05:30.32 | Jeeaar | hahah. alright sorry guys. Good luck with debian. |
| 05:30.43 | ascendchris | ouch! |
| 05:30.49 | ascendchris | bring them on fellas |
| 05:30.52 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 05:31.06 | Gnea | ascendchris: you're well on your way to burying it underground |
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| 05:31.19 | SimonRaven | Jeeaar: with this kind of stuff, honesty gets you somewhere. people are more willing to help if you're up front |
| 05:31.32 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 05:31.33 | SimonRaven | hello helix |
| 05:31.38 | helix | wtf is with this shit |
| 05:31.43 | ke6isf | Hello again Helix |
| 05:31.48 | SimonRaven | strange |
| 05:31.50 | streuner | helix: with what? |
| 05:31.51 | vilo`az | hi |
| 05:31.56 | Gnea | úúú ascendchris[n=tor@24-158-98-65.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] joined channel #debian |
| 05:31.56 | Gnea | [12:26AM] <ascendchris> hey |
| 05:31.57 | helix | auto_bleh / #debian |
| 05:32.00 | Gnea | [12:27AM] <ascendchris> support my digg ripoff guys - www.nfiltrate.com |
| 05:32.09 | SimonRaven | was it chanserv that made you leave? |
| 05:32.10 | ascendchris | Oh man, here it comes! |
| 05:32.11 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@24-158-98-65.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] by helix |
| 05:32.13 | Jeeaar | im trying to be honest, then they called me script kiddie! I just want to learn my way around networks :S |
| 05:32.15 | *** kick/#debian [ascendchris!n=e@unaffiliated/helix] by helix (helix) |
| 05:32.23 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
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| 05:32.36 | ke6isf | It's funny, people seem do this for the specific reason of getting themselves banned from a channel. |
| 05:32.41 | SimonRaven | Jeeaar: i did that =). lotsa reading will help tonnes |
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| 05:33.12 | Jeeaar | yeah. just lookign for a starting point, thats all. |
| 05:33.18 | streuner | helix: well, it seems you haven un-learned how to kick and ban, stay more in #debian ;-) |
| 05:33.19 | mhall | helix: thx |
| 05:33.19 | ke6isf | Jeeaar: Saying "forced entry" is a very clever way to get yourself called "script kiddie". It's kinda like talking about a bomb in an airport. |
| 05:33.26 | Jeeaar | hahahaha |
| 05:33.27 | helix | streuner: stop trolling me |
| 05:33.38 | Jeeaar | i didnt want to call it hacking |
| 05:33.39 | mhall | helix: btw why are you like never here anymore |
| 05:33.46 | Gnea | Jeeaar: well you weren't very clear about what "forced entry" meant |
| 05:33.49 | helix | because I have many things that occupy my time |
| 05:34.06 | streuner | o_O |
| 05:34.07 | tuv | is openssl maintainer around? i wonder why openssl misses engine support in debian.. |
| 05:34.11 | mhall | helix: sorry for asking then |
| 05:34.16 | SimonRaven | Jeeaar: for me it was just doing actual network configuration, and experiment with that; you can see the results first hand; also i suggest you do it on your own network, you won't piss off the net admins ;) |
| 05:34.51 | markybob | Jeeaar, get nessus. find vulnerabilities with that and exploit it with metasploit. now go google those things and be on your way |
| 05:34.53 | SimonRaven | Jeeaar: nothing wrong with hacking. what the mainstream media calls 'hacking', isn't |
| 05:35.05 | sjr | how do you find out what packages depend on a given package? |
| 05:35.15 | markybob | apt-cache show foo |
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| 05:35.16 | Gnea | Jeeaar: as long as you're trying to protect each other, it's all good |
| 05:35.20 | \amethyst | sjr: aptitude search ~D^xemacs21$ |
| 05:35.21 | helix | sjr: apt-cache rdepends package |
| 05:35.25 | \amethyst | or that |
| 05:35.56 | sjr | thank you! |
| 05:36.19 | macadamia | how do I get rid of segmentation faults? |
| 05:36.30 | tuv | you don't! |
| 05:36.32 | Jeeaar | yeah, i know. I just find it absurd that so many people run around not knowing a damn thing about computers. Video games are getting old for me. Obviously googling "how to hack", isnt very productive, so i came to a place i knew someone would have some clue |
| 05:36.33 | ke6isf | macadamia: You find the problem and solve it. |
| 05:36.44 | *** part/#debian siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) |
| 05:36.52 | ke6isf | Jeeaar: Eric Raymond has a blurb on how to become a hacker. |
| 05:37.23 | helix | you should read it then become allergic to everything he writes |
| 05:37.50 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:38.11 | Guerin | it's like he took classes on how to be a patronising bastard |
| 05:38.16 | Gnea | Jeeaar: www.packetstormsecurity.com <-- lots of good info there, also use it in conjunction with www.debian.org/security/ and you should be able to find what you need in the applications list |
| 05:38.28 | macadamia | ke6isf: ok. if an app just up and dies how do I go about finding the problem? |
| 05:38.31 | ke6isf | Jeeaar: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html <-- read this |
| 05:38.57 | ke6isf | macadamia: Do you have a specific program you're having problems with? |
| 05:39.00 | mhall | Guerin: more like he teached them |
| 05:39.07 | mhall | ke6isf: btw that's code hacker not security hacker |
| 05:39.11 | mhall | ke6isf: big difference |
| 05:39.16 | Guerin | mhall: your good england |
| 05:39.19 | helix | there's a big difference? |
| 05:39.30 | mhall | Guerin: your good england? |
| 05:39.33 | ke6isf | mhall: Difference in concept, but the principle remains somewhat similar. |
| 05:39.39 | Gnea | s/big/massive/g |
| 05:39.39 | mhall | ke6isf: true this |
| 05:39.46 | mhall | helix: the text is pretty domain specific |
| 05:39.54 | mhall | helix: but that's one man's opinion |
| 05:40.01 | macadamia | ke6isf, apt-get upgrade just died and out put "segmentation fault" to the command line |
| 05:40.02 | ke6isf | Guerin: His good england...what? |
| 05:40.04 | Guerin | mhall: your english is very excellent, sirrah |
| 05:40.05 | mhall | and not one of the wisest one's either |
| 05:40.06 | helix | being a good code hacker seems to me a pre-req for a security "hacker" |
| 05:40.14 | macadamia | apt-get update went ok |
| 05:40.22 | ke6isf | macadamia: OK, that's more in line with what we need. What version of Debian are you running? |
| 05:40.23 | mhall | Guerin: i think i'm being trolled |
| 05:40.34 | Guerin | mhall: me, troll people? Never. |
| 05:40.53 | Gnea | helix: one can not know much code at all and still be able to perform serious security tasks |
| 05:41.02 | Guerin | particularly not people who, despite 15 years of good american education, still use 'teached' |
| 05:41.07 | macadamia | ke6isf, stable but I went and got firefox 1.5 from unstable recently |
| 05:41.11 | helix | we may be defining security hacker differently |
| 05:41.26 | Gnea | it is possible |
| 05:41.31 | ke6isf | macadamia: ...and accordingly you added an Unstable line to your sources.list, correct? |
| 05:41.33 | helix | I'm thinking people who find security flaws in programs, like, in the code, and also know how to properly deal with algorithms and such |
| 05:41.40 | helix | not people who use ethereal for questionable purposes |
| 05:41.51 | macadamia | ke6isf, only for that get of firefox |
| 05:41.53 | Jeeaar | hhaa, looks like i inspired quite the discussion :P |
| 05:42.07 | helix | Jeeaar: don't be so full of yourself; it is an unbecoming attribute |
| 05:42.37 | mhall | Guerin: it was a typo you arrogant kiwi; 's' is next to 'd' |
| 05:42.49 | ke6isf | macadamia: I'm going to fold, for unfamiliarity with mixing versions (Bad Idea, btw). I would suggest rephrasing your question in something that somebody can answer - do '/msg dpkg ask' and follow all instructions. |
| 05:42.58 | mhall | Guerin: cut me some slack before i bust a cap on you so bad you start whistlin out your asshole |
| 05:43.00 | Guerin | mhall: hey, pal, beliieve what you like. |
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| 05:43.04 | Gnea | since when does a sysadmin or a netadmin require any deep level of code hackery? having a good understanding of it is one thing, being able to write simple scripts is another, writing an application suite is yet a completely different ballpark |
| 05:43.05 | Guerin | oo |
| 05:43.10 | Guerin | he's talking dirty |
| 05:43.29 | macadamia | ke6isf, thanks |
| 05:43.32 | helix | I don't consider net/sysadmins security experts |
| 05:43.41 | helix | I consider them net/sysadmins |
| 05:43.45 | mhall | helix: because of the security in depth principles, there are many approaches to security |
| 05:43.47 | Gnea | mhall: no need for that, he whistles out of it just naturally |
| 05:43.49 | ke6isf | !helix++ |
| 05:43.55 | mhall | Gnea: point taken |
| 05:44.24 | helix | mhall: sure, I acknowledge that. all I'm saying is that I don't think net/sysadmins are "security experts" |
| 05:44.24 | Gnea | helix: if they have no concept of security then they wouldn't be a sys/netadmin |
| 05:44.30 | helix | which is why their title is net/sysadmin |
| 05:44.33 | Gnea | hrm |
| 05:44.40 | Jeeaar | well i didnt expect this response from such a typically egotistical crowd <--Take this with a grain of salt, It doesnt take a genius to realize that most of us have big ego's, and its no wonder I expected to be torn a new asshole with my question |
| 05:44.42 | Guerin | they're not exclusive |
| 05:44.44 | Gnea | certainly not an 'expert' |
| 05:44.47 | Guerin | they're just two different things |
| 05:44.54 | cisee | helix: right the business people with the CISSP's are the experts =P |
| 05:45.09 | helix | I'm so bowled over by certifications, let me tell you |
| 05:45.17 | mhall | CISSP is a hectare wide and a centimeter deep |
| 05:45.30 | cisee | lol =D |
| 05:45.32 | ke6isf | helix: Feh, a certification means you read a book and know what the book says. |
| 05:45.39 | cisee | i talk with a lot of them at work, it's truely sad |
| 05:45.46 | Guerin | ke6isf: i've found it typically doesn't even mean that |
| 05:45.48 | helix | ke6isf: have you read any books or gotten any certifications in sarcasm, perchance? ;) |
| 05:46.15 | Gnea | helix: you know what? i'm so fed up with the industry that I'm about to walk out on it and call it quits. |
| 05:46.18 | ke6isf | helix: Of course! I used that really good one that O'Reilly puts out. =^^= |
| 05:46.29 | helix | Gnea: the security industry? |
| 05:46.32 | mhall | Gnea: which one |
| 05:46.36 | Gnea | helix: the computer industry. |
| 05:46.41 | helix | how come? |
| 05:46.54 | ke6isf | Guerin: It's proof of Sturgeon's Law. 90% of everything really is crap. |
| 05:46.54 | cisee | Gnea: i don't think it's better anywhere else |
| 05:47.01 | helix | not that I am unaccustomed with its shortcomings, but I do something different from you... |
| 05:47.13 | Guerin | ke6isf: even 90% of the 10% that remains is crap if you really look hard |
| 05:47.23 | ke6isf | Guerin: True, it's just well distilled. |
| 05:47.38 | Gnea | because it's nothing but a bunch of egotistical assholes who can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy and are trolled and led around by non-technical people who want them to attain the impossible. |
| 05:47.49 | Gnea | cisee: precisely, which is why i might as well just give up. |
| 05:48.02 | helix | Gnea: believe me, even technical people want you to achieve the impossible. it is human nature to strive for more ;) |
| 05:48.05 | Guerin | Gnea: this isn't exactly unique to IT |
| 05:48.07 | Gnea | i can do much better in the food industry. |
| 05:48.19 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:48.24 | Gnea | helix: well fuck human nature. |
| 05:48.33 | helix | better than fucking canine nature |
| 05:48.33 | Guerin | because the f&b industry isn't run by egomaniacs who expect the impossible |
| 05:48.34 | helix | or similar |
| 05:48.38 | starfishy | i think every geek has considered changing careers at one time or another |
| 05:48.38 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 05:48.42 | Gnea | yeah true |
| 05:48.47 | ke6isf | Gnea: The only place that doesn't seem to exist is within FedEx. And they're always looking for drivers. |
| 05:49.03 | mhall | ke6isf: UPS? |
| 05:49.04 | Gnea | oh man |
| 05:49.11 | mhall | ke6isf: oh wait they make you run around and do OT |
| 05:49.11 | Gnea | i would rip them all new assholes |
| 05:49.16 | ke6isf | mhall: Them too. |
| 05:49.21 | mhall | ke6isf: so they expect impossible package delivery |
| 05:49.25 | mhall | ke6isf: so it's there also |
| 05:49.33 | mhall | ke6isf: this is horrifying |
| 05:49.35 | Catonic | I'd be a drive. let some other poor bastard schlep the boxes to the doors :) |
| 05:49.38 | Catonic | *driver |
| 05:49.45 | Jeeaar | dont forget the resteraunt business. They suck too |
| 05:49.57 | ke6isf | mhall: Not as frequent. I'm a counter jock for them - I have many customers who are amazed I can get a check from southern California to NYC by 8:30 the next morning, given they meet our schedule. |
| 05:49.58 | starfishy | id probably do something in aviation |
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| 05:50.01 | mhall | Catonic: they will pay you almost as much to help the driver and let him ride in the HOV lane of the freeway |
| 05:50.03 | Guerin | in 11 days I will be officially unemployed and homeless |
| 05:50.04 | ke6isf | Jeeaar: All vocations suck. |
| 05:50.10 | Guerin | !win me |
| 05:50.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin! You have won the US presidency! |
| 05:50.12 | Gnea | helix: the problem i had was that i had a boss who had no real experience in his position and used it to his advantage - i have an extremely negative picture of IT in general now becaus of that |
| 05:50.15 | ke6isf | Guerin: Dude, what happened? |
| 05:50.18 | mhall | ke6isf: kind of a random position; how did you end up there |
| 05:50.23 | helix | Gnea: ah, it does help to have cool bosses |
| 05:50.35 | Guerin | ke6isf: I decided to See The World(TM) |
| 05:50.40 | starfishy | gnea: only one boss like that? |
| 05:50.41 | Gnea | helix: it's too late now, i have no desire nor any motivation to continue on |
| 05:50.41 | mhall | ke6isf: i had a good experience with corporate america because i worked in a dept. with a lot of long term vision and institutional memory |
| 05:50.43 | helix | otoh, my boss currently expects me to "fix" the toolchain so our software will run on an obscure architecture |
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| 05:50.54 | mhall | ke6isf: things moved a bit slow but they didn't fuck up |
| 05:50.55 | ke6isf | mhall: Temp agency. Just got out of a line of work where I still had a lead to some drug addicted fool, and wanted a career change besides. |
| 05:50.59 | starfishy | in my experience your description of the boss is what about every boss in that field is like |
| 05:51.09 | Gnea | starfishy: one boss is all it took. |
| 05:51.13 | mhall | helix: i though you worked at med center? |
| 05:51.14 | starfishy | :) |
| 05:51.16 | ke6isf | mhall: Man, you lucky bastard. =^_^= |
| 05:51.22 | helix | mhall: no, I make video games for airplanes now |
| 05:51.30 | ke6isf | mhall: (Mind you, my entry into FedEx happened a little over a year ago.) |
| 05:51.33 | helix | I stopped working at that place like two years ago... |
| 05:51.39 | mhall | helix: hence busier |
| 05:51.43 | helix | quite |
| 05:51.49 | mhall | makes sense |
| 05:51.55 | w32 | Hey anyone have a minute to answer a kernel question |
| 05:51.58 | Gnea | starfishy: of course, it didn't help when our CTO went AWOL and no one replaced him. |
| 05:52.01 | mhall | !tell w32 about ask |
| 05:52.06 | mhall | !tell w32 about poll |
| 05:52.19 | mhall | Gnea: oof |
| 05:52.29 | ke6isf | w32: We would, but we're all going to start a flash group at the Salton Sea. |
| 05:52.35 | Gnea | without a proper chain of command, it falls apart |
| 05:53.17 | mhall | ke6isf: props for the comeback |
| 05:53.20 | Gnea | and nobody understands that. and that lack of understanding pisses me off. |
| 05:53.42 | ke6isf | mhall: Sankyu. =^_^= |
| 05:53.51 | w32 | I am trying to roll my own linux and when I run make menuconfig from /usr/src/ |
| 05:53.58 | w32 | it says MAKE not found |
| 05:54.08 | Gnea | the more pissed off i get, the less and less i want to get another job in that field. after i spent years teaching myself how all the shit works, it all boils down to that. |
| 05:54.08 | ke6isf | !wayc w32 |
| 05:54.08 | dpkg | w32: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 05:54.25 | w32 | explain |
| 05:54.36 | w32 | I'm just following a tutorial |
| 05:54.44 | Gnea | and people who are in the field have no respect for someone in my position. |
| 05:54.45 | ke6isf | w32: Well, first, what version of Debian are you using? |
| 05:55.11 | w32 | Ubuntu 5.10 |
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| 05:55.21 | ke6isf | w32: Then ask in #ubuntu please. |
| 05:55.27 | streuner | haha |
| 05:55.38 | Gnea | !tell w32 -about ubuntu |
| 05:55.43 | kspath | Gnea: in your position? |
| 05:55.44 | ke6isf | Everyone take one drink. |
| 05:55.54 | w32 | I like this channel better than #ubuntu |
| 05:55.59 | Gnea | kspath: forget it. |
| 05:56.04 | ke6isf | w32: And we don't support Ubuntu here. |
| 05:56.07 | w32 | Ubuntu is debian based so why not ? |
| 05:56.11 | Gnea | w32: you're using ubuntu, not debian. |
| 05:56.14 | ke6isf | !debian based |
| 05:56.15 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 05:56.21 | Gnea | IT'S N OT DEBIAN |
| 05:56.31 | mhall | Gnea: ttyl |
| 05:56.48 | mhall | !mhallsmite w32 |
| 05:56.49 | ke6isf | Gnea: It's because we're the people everyone expects miracles from. What surprises me is that they've come to expect miracles as routine. |
| 05:57.00 | ke6isf | !beer Gnea |
| 05:57.13 | mhall | w32: great. just great. your incompetence pissed off one of my friends. |
| 05:57.21 | Gnea | ke6isf: you hit the nail on the head. |
| 05:57.46 | mhall | ke6isf: the therac radiation incident says it all |
| 05:57.57 | ke6isf | mhall: therac radiation...? |
| 05:57.58 | w32 | more important things in the world to get mad at really |
| 05:58.06 | tuv | i love the sound of an angry man :) |
| 05:58.18 | ke6isf | w32: Well, we still don't support Ubuntu. You can install Debian and we'll support you, though. |
| 05:58.21 | mhall | ke6isf: they expected a rookie programmer to write radiation dose control software for their cancer treatment machine |
| 05:58.33 | mhall | ke6isf: it came out wrong and killed people |
| 05:58.51 | w32 | sure sure I got woody in the lab too just not messing withit today |
| 05:58.53 | mhall | ke6isf: and the engineers interviewed believed software control would be safer than manual methods |
| 05:58.55 | ke6isf | mhall: Holy fuck, that's like expecting a child to fire a bazooka! |
| 05:59.05 | mhall | ke6isf: and did not specify any safety interlocks |
| 05:59.08 | Jeeaar | I think that would probably be the programmers fault |
| 05:59.09 | ke6isf | w32: Woody is obsolete. Use Sarge. |
| 05:59.11 | w32 | be back tommorrow with some debian questions I'm sure |
| 05:59.19 | mhall | ke6isf: moral of the story is, people don't understand software |
| 05:59.21 | phillywhitetrash | exit |
| 05:59.29 | mhall | ke6isf: and this deficit is largely our fault |
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| 06:00.05 | ke6isf | mhall: I expect that the deficit is because of a rather pessimistic maxim I heard once about doing your best. Never do it, lest they expect it from you every time. |
| 06:00.10 | Jeeaar | why would a programmer do something he obviously knew he didn't understand? |
| 06:00.21 | w32 | talk to you guys later thanks |
| 06:00.38 | devazion | Doing a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch didn't get me a new 2.6 kernel. What package should I get? |
| 06:00.39 | tomb0y | bye w32 :) |
| 06:00.45 | mhall | ke6isf: management calls this failure to manage expectations |
| 06:00.53 | wireddd | Jeeaar, because the person that signs his checks told him too |
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| 06:00.58 | mhall | ke6isf: i definitely got props when i used this phrase in my interview |
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| 06:01.10 | tuv | software control? |
| 06:01.21 | mhall | Jeeaar: he was not a software engineer and did not have enough ethics training to know he should make a report or resign |
| 06:01.28 | Jeeaar | yeah, but thats a greed issue, the person who signed his cheques didn't know he was underqaulified |
| 06:01.33 | mhall | Jeeaar: he also did not know that the system was beyond his skill |
| 06:01.41 | mhall | Jeeaar: and he thought he did it right |
| 06:01.52 | ke6isf | Jeeaar: There's a vast rift between the mentality of a manager and the mentality of somebody in the computing field. |
| 06:01.58 | mhall | Jeeaar: you better read about the rest of the morons in that company before you make such comments |
| 06:02.05 | phillywhitetrash | what is the best command line irc client to run under linux? |
| 06:02.05 | helix | there's also the overworked/understaffed issue... |
| 06:02.12 | helix | phillywhitetrash: irssi |
| 06:02.19 | ke6isf | phillywhitetrash: Either irssi, bitchx, or ircii, depending on who you ask. |
| 06:02.24 | cisee | heh |
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| 06:02.26 | mhall | Jeeaar: because you said earlier "sounds like..." which imples to me you neglected to read about it |
| 06:02.26 | helix | (but mostly irssi) |
| 06:02.27 | phillywhitetrash | thats gui rite? |
| 06:02.30 | k-man_ | is there a site where one put up an open source project idea and offer to pay for its development? |
| 06:02.40 | k-man_ | i remember seeing one once but can't find it now |
| 06:02.43 | ke6isf | phillywhitetrash: What I gave you is a list of CLI IRC clients. |
| 06:02.46 | Guerin | phillywhitetrash: you probably want xchat |
| 06:03.05 | Guerin | phillywhitetrash: a command line irc client is not a gui |
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| 06:03.14 | phillywhitetrash | xchat just went pay for windows so i uninstalled it |
| 06:03.23 | helix | Jeeaar: btw, I have to do things at work that I don't know how to do almost every day. it falls in the category of learning/training :) |
| 06:03.24 | Guerin | fair play |
| 06:03.25 | junior | tem brasileiro aqui |
| 06:03.29 | ke6isf | !es |
| 06:03.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:03.32 | k-man_ | phillywhitetrash, search google, there are free builds available elsewhere |
| 06:03.33 | ke6isf | !br |
| 06:03.33 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 06:03.50 | ke6isf | phillywhitetrash: There's a free build of xchat on silverex.com I think. |
| 06:03.53 | phillywhitetrash | thanks for the help |
| 06:04.12 | mhall | phillywhitetrash: kvirc is popular on windows also |
| 06:04.13 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to have ssh check known_hosts based on the hostname *and* the port? i have one server that maintains several tunnels back to ssh servers of boxen behind NAT, and it's annoying to have to rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts each time i use a different service. |
| 06:04.30 | mhall | phillywhitetrash: mirc is not a great choice because it tends to be "Security Exploits R Us" |
| 06:04.33 | Jeeaar | your absolutly right. I didn't read up on it. But it's like this... None of the other people in that organizaion, unless holding a gun, had control over that programmer. he MUST have known that he was underqualified for the task. How can you "think" you've done something properly.. Either you have, or you haven't. |
| 06:04.40 | k-man_ | phillywhitetrash, i use this one http://www.silverex.org/news/ |
| 06:04.49 | SerajewelKS | !your |
| 06:04.49 | dpkg | hmm... your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 06:04.56 | SerajewelKS | Jeeaar: ^^^ |
| 06:04.57 | mhall | Jeeaar: externally viewed, you did it right or wrong. yes. |
| 06:05.17 | ke6isf | Jeeaar: Bear in mind that, since he was a rookie programmer, his values were yet to be developed - and such values can take a long time. |
| 06:05.25 | mhall | Jeeaar: but inside your own head, it's entirely possible to think you programmed it right because you were not good enough to see your own bugs |
| 06:05.29 | phillywhitetrash | you guys think bitchx or ircii are any good? |
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| 06:05.37 | SerajewelKS | phillywhitetrash: i prefer irssi myself |
| 06:05.44 | kspath | If only that programmer had tested the treatments on themself it would have ended there. |
| 06:05.48 | mhall | Jeeaar: his code contained race conditions between parallel modules; i'm a gifted thread programmer and i miss these |
| 06:05.57 | mhall | kspath: no it wouldn't |
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| 06:06.04 | ke6isf | Jeeaar: A for instance, I have ethical issues in working for drug addicts; had I known that the State of California woudl have paid my unemployment if I resigned from such a company for ethical reasons, I would have done so a long time ago. |
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| 06:06.07 | mhall | kspath: they only came up when the software was used weirdly |
| 06:06.08 | ft | phillywhitetrash: check them out yourself and decide |
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| 06:06.14 | kspath | mhall: fried programmer rotting corpse in the machine? |
| 06:06.16 | SerajewelKS | mhall: who are we talking about here? |
| 06:06.22 | mhall | ke6isf: what did the addicts do |
| 06:06.27 | kspath | mhall: wierdly? |
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| 06:06.36 | mhall | kspath: just read about the fucking thing |
| 06:06.46 | ke6isf | mhall: Addict, singular. Cocaine, heroin, or methadone, in no particular order. |
| 06:06.50 | mhall | for the love of $DEITY everybody comments on this and nobody reads the texts |
| 06:06.58 | ke6isf | mhall: Or do you mean the line of work?... |
| 06:07.03 | rublind | How do I update to 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:07.05 | mhall | ke6isf: both |
| 06:07.18 | mhall | SerajewelKS: therac 25 incident |
| 06:07.53 | kspath | mhall: I am commenting on the discussion. I did not see any link if there was one. The discussion went on long enough I thought I understood the topic. |
| 06:07.58 | mhall | http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs3604/lib/Therac_25/Therac_1.html |
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| 06:08.22 | mhall | kspath: the problem is, the bugs that killed people didn't show if you used the software the usual way |
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| 06:08.35 | mhall | kspath: this is why medical devices are made with a lot of hardware interlocks |
| 06:08.46 | mhall | kspath: because of the nondeterministic behavior of buggy code |
| 06:08.59 | ke6isf | mhall: The company was something called Legal Tax Defenders. Their job was preparation of tax paperwork to compromise tax debts with the IRS and certain state agencies. |
| 06:09.01 | mhall | kspath: you can't always say, if it has a bug, in what way the bug manifests itself |
| 06:09.17 | mhall | kspath: this is rather a bit the definition of bug repeated in another form |
| 06:09.59 | Jeeaar | rofl |
| 06:10.10 | mhall | Jeeaar: i got banned for this shit before |
| 06:10.13 | SerajewelKS | can i re-ask my question now? ;) |
| 06:10.17 | cisee | i read a paper about development techniques that are shown at some defense contracter to create an order of magnitude fewer bugs than convential development |
| 06:10.23 | ke6isf | mhall: A kosher business by its own right, but the practices of this business - changing policies at the drop of a hat, etc - left much to be desired. |
| 06:11.16 | tzfardea | how can i change the time zone? |
| 06:11.32 | streuner | tzfardea: tzconfig? |
| 06:11.33 | ke6isf | tzfardea: tzselect comes to mind. |
| 06:11.34 | Guerin | tzfardea: tzconfig |
| 06:11.40 | SerajewelKS | tzfardea: relocate east or west by a couple hundred miles |
| 06:11.49 | ke6isf | streuner, Guerin: tzconfig is better? |
| 06:11.49 | cisee | mhall: url for this mishap you've been discussing |
| 06:11.50 | mhall | SerajewelKS: heh |
| 06:11.51 | cisee | lol sera |
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| 06:11.58 | mhall | cisee: http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs3604/lib/Therac_25/Therac_1.html |
| 06:12.29 | streuner | ke6isf: to tell you the truth, iam changing the tz about once a year... ;-) |
| 06:12.47 | ke6isf | streuner: Dang, that's some crazy drift. =^^= |
| 06:12.49 | streuner | nah, tzconfig should work |
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| 06:13.26 | tzfardea | ok thanks :) |
| 06:13.29 | akusarujin | is it possible to use 'ssh' through a http proxy? (not run sshd from behind a proxy, but ssh to a remote machine through a proxy) |
| 06:13.30 | kspath | mhall: omg, I knew I had heard about that stuff before. I was in Tyler, Tx. when the person(s) got fried. |
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| 06:13.55 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: if the proxy supports CONNECT and you use a suitable wrapper program (e.g. socats) sure |
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| 06:14.22 | mhall | kspath: oof |
| 06:14.26 | mhall | kspath: what happened |
| 06:14.34 | akusarujin | SerajewelKS, so you have to use a wrapper to get ssh working through a proxy? |
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| 06:14.59 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: naturally. ssh doesn't know how to send 'CONNECT' requests, and it sure as hell doesn't care about the HTTP response header. |
| 06:15.02 | mhall | kspath: i assumed i'd get a room of angry devs wanting to rant |
| 06:15.10 | mhall | kspath: but maybe they are gone since it's bloody sunday |
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| 06:15.29 | mhall | kspath: i didn't figure i'd just get a little crew of people who didn't even know of it |
| 06:15.39 | mhall | kspath: i thought knowledge of this would be kind of widespread |
| 06:16.32 | kspath | mhall: I have heard of similar issues in software development |
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| 06:17.35 | akusarujin | hrm, okay. thanks, SerajewelKS. |
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| 06:18.02 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: np. apt-get install socats; man socats |
| 06:18.08 | wireddd | mhall, I think most developers do know about it |
| 06:18.12 | akusarujin | yeah, i see how it works, now |
| 06:18.13 | mhall | akusarujin: socks protocol? |
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| 06:18.36 | SerajewelKS | gah, socks is overrated. especially considering that all the socks servers in debian suck balls. |
| 06:18.47 | WDavid | hi |
| 06:18.47 | akusarujin | mhall, i'm guessing so, but i don't know too much about the proxy. |
| 06:18.55 | mhall | SerajewelKS: but if you have it, pretty much $PROGRAM can connect |
| 06:18.57 | akusarujin | i'm not too sure how i can find out more information about the proxy. |
| 06:19.17 | WDavid | any who can help me with vermagic? |
| 06:19.20 | SerajewelKS | mhall: apache+mod_proxy+ssh-R-L = beat the hell out of any socks server |
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| 06:19.34 | SerajewelKS | !tell WDavid about ask |
| 06:19.44 | WDavid | better if some one speak spanish! |
| 06:19.50 | SerajewelKS | !es |
| 06:19.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:19.51 | akusarujin | squid's okay. i've poked around with it in the past. |
| 06:20.03 | WDavid | ok SerajewelKS |
| 06:20.07 | akusarujin | but mod_proxy gets the job done, as well. |
| 06:20.29 | WDavid | i'm compiling sundance driver for an encore ethernet card |
| 06:20.31 | SerajewelKS | mhall: but i've yet to see a socks proxy that does what i need it to |
| 06:20.50 | mhall | akusarujin: go to BS URLs and then see if name of proxy appears in error screen |
| 06:20.51 | SerajewelKS | mhall: dante comes close but has this incredibly stupid requirement that i specify the external interface address |
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| 06:21.12 | akusarujin | mhall, it doesn't, i know that much. |
| 06:21.27 | SlayerXP | morning girls. |
| 06:21.29 | Jeeaar | im off, l8er guys |
| 06:21.33 | mhall | SerajewelKS: hmm |
| 06:21.37 | SerajewelKS | mhall: of course that doesn't work with dynamic IP, and dante explicitly refuses 0.0.0.0 -- which leaves me to conclude that the dante developer(s) is/are dense |
| 06:21.55 | akusarujin | i was hoping i could find out more using nmap or something to see if it has any recognizable behavior. |
| 06:22.21 | WDavid | and went i do modprobe it say's that the vermagic is gcc-3.3 |
| 06:22.23 | SerajewelKS | mhall: i can't even comprehend why they would enforce such a thing... but oh well... ssh -L does the trick most of the time |
| 06:22.31 | WDavid | but should be gcc-3.4 |
| 06:22.33 | SerajewelKS | mhall: still fucking annoying though |
| 06:22.55 | mhall | SerajewelKS: ssh is too fucking slow |
| 06:23.07 | SerajewelKS | mhall: with -C it's pretty snappy |
| 06:23.18 | SerajewelKS | mhall: i'm limited more by throughput than CPU anyway |
| 06:23.44 | WDavid | ??? |
| 06:23.49 | WDavid | could any one answer me? |
| 06:23.52 | markybob | WDavid, temporarily move /usr/bin/gcc out of the way and ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc then try again |
| 06:23.54 | SerajewelKS | WDavid: #debian-es |
| 06:24.09 | akusarujin | using -L to make it act as a proxy, SerajewelKS? |
| 06:24.11 | WDavid | ok |
| 06:24.21 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: of sorts, yes |
| 06:24.31 | WDavid | thanks |
| 06:25.08 | cisee | hrm i wonder if the 4.1ssh .deb is patched with HPN, getting 40meg/sec with scp |
| 06:25.15 | markybob | WDavid, of course, make sure you have gcc-3.4 installed (apt-get install) before doing that |
| 06:25.17 | akusarujin | SerajewelKS, well, to create a sort of 'tunnel'? |
| 06:25.34 | kspath | mhall: that is a very old story and would only interest the curious/interested people and paranoids like myself mostly |
| 06:25.34 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: ... that's what -L does... yes... |
| 06:25.49 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: man ssh, look at -L and -R |
| 06:25.51 | akusarujin | yeah, just checking. i haven't used it but i read up on it a while back. |
| 06:26.19 | akusarujin | yeah, i know, but the man's wording is dense. freebsd's handbook covered it in passing fairly well though. |
| 06:26.49 | mhall | kspath: the principle is important |
| 06:27.04 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: i made some diagrams of how it works a while back |
| 06:28.03 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: it's still hard to explain to people who don't know how TCP works though |
| 06:28.44 | kspath | mhall: yes, but not all programmers are engineers and not all engineers are programmers so things do not get looked at properly. |
| 06:29.10 | akusarujin | i get the jist of it, at any rate. you just use ssh to tunnel connections through a remote ssh server to a remote address. |
| 06:29.20 | kspath | nite |
| 06:29.32 | mhall | PINTO |
| 06:29.40 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: or to the ssh server box itself, or use -R to set up a reverse tunnel (useful to expose a NAT'd box to the internet) |
| 06:29.41 | kspath | HORSE? |
| 06:29.44 | akusarujin | just, i've never had a use for it, so i've never been able to try it first-hand. |
| 06:29.47 | mhall | kspath: :-D |
| 06:30.04 | akusarujin | -R sounds interesting though. |
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| 06:30.28 | akusarujin | -R sounds like an option that would make a network admin want to kick someone's ass, though. |
| 06:30.29 | mhall | !yinzersmite nvz_ |
| 06:30.51 | mhall | nvz_: sup? |
| 06:31.24 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: which is why you can disable -L/-R on the server |
| 06:31.27 | phillywhi | nvz are you from philly? |
| 06:31.31 | akusarujin | at any rate, all i'm looking for mainly is a way to access my ssh server at home from a proxy'd machine in another network. |
| 06:31.41 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: as i maintain a personal ssh server for myself, i happen to like -R =) |
| 06:32.08 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: is your home box behind nat? |
| 06:32.14 | akusarujin | yeah, but that's not the problem. |
| 06:32.33 | akusarujin | i use pf for filtering/qos/etc. and it's already good to go. |
| 06:32.36 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: that's certainly *a* problem |
| 06:33.13 | akusarujin | not really, SerajewelKS. |
| 06:33.26 | akusarujin | not if you redirect traffic properly.. |
| 06:33.28 | markybob | mhall, were you just shouting PINTO for no reason, or were you trying to get my attention? |
| 06:33.32 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: you've set up port forwarding then? |
| 06:33.40 | akusarujin | yeah. |
| 06:33.43 | akusarujin | long long ago. |
| 06:33.47 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: then why do you need a proxy |
| 06:33.51 | akusarujin | i don't. |
| 06:34.01 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: so... what's the problem? |
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| 06:34.24 | mhall | phillywhi: no pittsburgh |
| 06:34.30 | mhall | phillywhi: he is a true yinzer |
| 06:34.38 | WDavid | markybob yes, i already have gcc-3.4 |
| 06:34.42 | james__ | does anyone know how to install a .bz2 xfce theme in debian? no one seem to know the answer in #xfce |
| 06:34.44 | mhall | markybob: actually this has a context |
| 06:34.50 | akusarujin | i spend a lot of time outside of my house, and at the place i volunteer they're behind a proxy. i need ssh to go through the proxy and hit my machine, just like a web browser has to and a music streaming client and so forth. |
| 06:34.55 | markybob | mhall, just wondering. my last name is pinto and i wasnt sure if you knew that or not |
| 06:35.00 | mhall | markybob: there was this one ill advised flood of #debian a few weeks ago |
| 06:35.07 | phillywhi | hostname is almost same as mine, thought he was close |
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| 06:35.19 | mhall | markybob: and the content of it was PINTO in NOTICE and on-chan |
| 06:35.21 | Dewi | akusarujin: what kind of proxy? http? |
| 06:35.23 | akusarujin | i run ssh on obscure ports, so i'm guessing it won't be a problem, i just needed to figure out how to get ssh to work through the proxy there. |
| 06:35.25 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: they're too lame to set up NAT? |
| 06:35.27 | akusarujin | http proxy. |
| 06:35.33 | mhall | markybob: so then we had a great comeback to it |
| 06:35.33 | akusarujin | SerajewelKS, i have no clue why they use a proxy. |
| 06:35.35 | akusarujin | to be honest. |
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| 06:35.45 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: tried just connecting without a proxy? |
| 06:35.46 | mhall | markybob: CHEVELLE! or BEANS! or HORSE? or something such |
| 06:35.48 | Dewi | akusarujin: is your client a windows machine? |
| 06:35.50 | akusarujin | i can't.. |
| 06:35.57 | james__ | does anyone know how to install a .bz2 xfce theme in debian? no one seem to know the answer in #xfce |
| 06:35.58 | mhall | markybob: kind of like badger / mushroom / squirrel / snake |
| 06:35.58 | akusarujin | Dewi, no, not typically, but i have access to one of those as well. |
| 06:36.07 | Dewi | akusarujin: putty has a few https proxying options |
| 06:36.10 | akusarujin | i may try using PuTTY on the windows machine to go through the proxy. |
| 06:36.19 | Dewi | akusarujin: to do it with openssh you need a bit of perl |
| 06:36.21 | akusarujin | but i'd like to be able to use ssh on the debian machine i have there. |
| 06:36.24 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: telnet to the proxy, what happens if you type: 'CONNECT yourbox:22 HTTP/1.0' \n \n |
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| 06:36.30 | mhall | markybob: but the flood was very incompetent. only one IP and it was legit, not proxied. |
| 06:36.39 | mhall | markybob: so it took like 5 secs to disband it |
| 06:36.40 | markybob | mhall, i hate it when bastards like that give my last name a, uh, bad name. ;) |
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| 06:37.08 | WDavid | on debian-es not like to say much |
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| 06:37.12 | akusarujin | SerajewelKS, i dunno, the proxy drops packets from outside of the internal network. at any rate, i can give that a shot tomorrow. |
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| 06:37.33 | akusarujin | Dewi, yeah but i think what SerajewelKS referred me to earlier will work out okay (socat). |
| 06:37.38 | mhall | markybob: yeah; apologies for inadvertent desecration / confusion |
| 06:37.43 | akusarujin | i think socat is exactly what i need :) |
| 06:37.51 | mhall | markybob: perhaps now that you are in on this joke you can join in the fun |
| 06:37.57 | markybob | mhall, no worries :) heh |
| 06:38.02 | mhall | markybob: and join in on the irony as well |
| 06:38.02 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: if you get a 200 reply and some garbage about "SSH-2.0-blahblah" then it worked |
| 06:38.19 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: if you get some 4nn error or a "not authorized" html page, then you're fscked |
| 06:38.40 | akusarujin | SerajewelKS, well, i doubt they'd block the random ass ports i run sshd on :) |
| 06:38.49 | akusarujin | considering they allow other random ports that i use, as well. |
| 06:38.54 | Dewi | akusarujin: if the proxy allows the method you're talking about, yes |
| 06:38.59 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: typically CONNECT allows 443 only |
| 06:39.07 | mhall | SerajewelKS: 80? |
| 06:39.15 | SerajewelKS | mhall: maybe 80 too |
| 06:39.35 | akusarujin | i've used 8000 and 8001 already, successfully, on it. |
| 06:39.38 | akusarujin | along with 21. |
| 06:40.04 | akusarujin | it doesn't seem to care too much |
| 06:40.12 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: still must be some lame-ass organization to not do proper NAT |
| 06:40.13 | akusarujin | but yeah, i'll give it a shot tomorrow when i'm there. |
| 06:40.43 | akusarujin | i dunno, that's there business. i'm only volunteering for so long anyway, then i don't have to deal with it any more. :P |
| 06:40.53 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: government agency / charity? |
| 06:41.22 | akusarujin | it's a public library; i tutor people in math and sciences, but sometimes nobody comes around, and i'm sitting there doing nothing. |
| 06:41.34 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: sounds like my library |
| 06:41.56 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: i found a subtle hole in their catalog that would allow me to check books out on certain people's cards |
| 06:42.28 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: all because of this stupid WinSelect kiosk software that gives them a false sense of control over their terminals |
| 06:42.34 | akusarujin | lol |
| 06:42.50 | WDavid | hum, any one know about alice for GNU/Linux debian? |
| 06:43.02 | SerajewelKS | !anyone use alice |
| 06:43.02 | dpkg | No, no one uses alice, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:43.06 | Guerin | !alicekill WDavid |
| 06:43.07 | SlayerXP | WDavid: I hear she's pretty hot |
| 06:43.34 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: that was a little harsh ;) |
| 06:43.47 | Guerin | that's the only alice *I* know |
| 06:43.51 | WDavid | ??? |
| 06:43.59 | Guerin | WDavid: it's funny. Laugh. |
| 06:44.05 | akusarujin | lol. |
| 06:44.07 | streuner | haha |
| 06:44.17 | WDavid | it's for learnig POO |
| 06:44.20 | SerajewelKS | WDavid: read: Guerin has a distorted sense of humor. pretend to laugh. |
| 06:44.20 | Guerin | WDavid: You can get anything you want ... etc... |
| 06:44.23 | WDavid | learnig |
| 06:44.26 | WDavid | learning |
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| 06:44.35 | mhall | who is alice? |
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| 06:44.44 | streuner | yeah |
| 06:44.54 | mhall | EMISSEDJOKE |
| 06:44.59 | streuner | !find alice |
| 06:45.01 | mhall | ENOCONTEXT |
| 06:45.03 | liable | "who the fuck is alice" :) |
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| 06:45.17 | WDavid | just a program |
| 06:45.20 | mhall | liable: you're liable for finding her |
| 06:45.33 | liable | meh |
| 06:45.38 | WDavid | let me see for it's web site |
| 06:46.00 | WDavid | http://www.alice.org/ |
| 06:46.05 | liable | WDavid: you need to copy it, and name it .config |
| 06:46.09 | mhall | liable: yeah fiddlesticks |
| 06:46.11 | liable | meh |
| 06:46.33 | markybob | apparently jokes dont carry over well to non-native speakers |
| 06:47.10 | WDavid | aha |
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| 06:47.33 | mhall | markybob: wonder why |
| 06:47.36 | Guerin | mhall: http://feayn.org/~lewis/ngawi-whothefuisallis-500.jpg |
| 06:47.43 | WDavid | like on the simpsons, i simply don't understand thoso jokes |
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| 06:47.59 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: winselect is about as secure as deep freeze. i've seen strainers do a better job of holding water. |
| 06:48.09 | akusarujin | rofl. |
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| 06:48.10 | mhall | winselect? |
| 06:48.16 | akusarujin | man. |
| 06:48.22 | liable | theres actually a song.. |
| 06:48.29 | akusarujin | deep freeze is horrid. |
| 06:48.32 | streuner | http://www.alice-dsl.de/index.html |
| 06:48.33 | akusarujin | _horrid_ |
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| 06:48.44 | akusarujin | a total misuse of system resources, even. |
| 06:48.53 | Guerin | mhall: goes along with http://feayn.org/~lewis/ngawi-fiatallis-500.jpg |
| 06:48.58 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: it's good at maintaning a workstation against inadvertent damage, but not intentional damage. |
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| 06:49.18 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: i work at the IT department at my university, and it saves us many hours per week of imaging lab computers. |
| 06:49.45 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: but if i want to fuck over all the lab workstations there is nothing stopping me. |
| 06:50.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'alice' (4 of 6): (/usr/share/doc/flite/examples/alice.gz) in sound/flite ;; (/usr/share/doc/inform/tutorial/{alice.inf|alice.txt}) in non-free/devel/inform-docs ;; (/usr/share/doc/ntp-doc/html/pic/{alice11.gif|alice13.gif|alice23.gif|...}) in doc/ntp-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/w3-recs/RECS/REC-SVG-20010904/images/types/colorchips/aliceblue-chip.png) in non-free/doc/w3-recs. |
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| 06:50.35 | WDavid | thanks again |
| 06:50.39 | akusarujin | you know what also works? actually limiting the user accounts "the microsoft way." then just multicast that image, instead of one with deep freeze on it. |
| 06:50.42 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: on the other hand, there is no justification for winselect |
| 06:50.55 | Guerin | well |
| 06:50.57 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: except that CS students often need to install software |
| 06:51.05 | Guerin | at least you don't have HDD-Sherriff |
| 06:51.10 | Guerin | [sic] |
| 06:51.11 | cisee | what does winselect do ? |
| 06:51.26 | SerajewelKS | cisee: selectively disables menus, buttons, etc in most windows programs |
| 06:51.43 | akusarujin | SerajewelKS, you can limit them without raping their ability to install software. |
| 06:51.44 | SerajewelKS | cisee: classic non-security. "let's disable anything that looks harmful." |
| 06:51.59 | cisee | ah |
| 06:52.04 | Guerin | while leaving enabled anything that doesn't look harmful |
| 06:52.06 | SerajewelKS | cisee: they forgot CTRL+O |
| 06:52.10 | cisee | lol wow |
| 06:52.19 | SerajewelKS | cisee: which lets me basically play god |
| 06:52.38 | liable | lolz |
| 06:52.42 | cisee | SerajewelKS: how many machines do you run at work ? |
| 06:52.47 | SerajewelKS | they'd be better off installing debian and setting up some iptables rules |
| 06:52.53 | SerajewelKS | cisee: at ITS? in the labs? |
| 06:53.19 | cisee | yep |
| 06:53.42 | SerajewelKS | cisee: i'm a student worker, but i estimate that ITS manages between 200-400 workstations |
| 06:53.42 | WDavid | mmm, were i can search drivers for msi board? |
| 06:53.58 | WDavid | ops |
| 06:53.59 | SerajewelKS | WDavid: for linux? |
| 06:54.03 | WDavid | can i |
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| 06:54.11 | WDavid | yes, sorry for debian |
| 06:54.15 | akusarujin | msicomputer.com (for windows) .. for linux, _why_? |
| 06:54.27 | streuner | WDavid: those are in kernel... |
| 06:54.27 | SerajewelKS | WDavid: in general hotplug will catch those |
| 06:54.27 | cisee | nb, a lot of them debian ? |
| 06:54.34 | akusarujin | hotplug makes most stuff child's play. |
| 06:54.34 | SerajewelKS | cisee: exactly 0% |
| 06:54.37 | akusarujin | <3. |
| 06:54.39 | cisee | ouch |
| 06:54.49 | SerajewelKS | cisee: XP all the way. ITS staff refuse to consider linux. |
| 06:54.52 | sparr | ever do a dist-upgrade and something small changes in a program you use every day? my kde has little application icons for the windows in the pager |
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| 06:54.59 | WDavid | and the on-board ethernet??? |
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| 06:55.12 | WDavid | and the on-board sound card? |
| 06:55.15 | SerajewelKS | cisee: novell network, all that fun stuff |
| 06:55.16 | akusarujin | anyhoo. night guys, and thanks for the reference to socat SerajewelKS. |
| 06:55.22 | SerajewelKS | akusarujin: np |
| 06:55.40 | SerajewelKS | sparr: you can disable that |
| 06:55.48 | WDavid | i have amd64 with msi k8n Neo3 MS-7135 |
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| 06:56.10 | ludwig | hallo! |
| 06:56.14 | SerajewelKS | WDavid: does '/sbin/ifconfig eth0' display anything? |
| 06:56.22 | jm_ | that sounds like a regular nforce4 motherboard, works just fine for me |
| 06:56.24 | liable | hola! |
| 06:56.30 | WDavid | no |
| 06:56.41 | WDavid | becouse i have two on the same computer |
| 06:56.50 | WDavid | hola laible |
| 06:56.52 | SerajewelKS | WDavid: do 'lspci' and 'lspci -n' and pastebin the output of both |
| 06:56.53 | WDavid | ops |
| 06:56.53 | oskie | WDavid: snd-via82xx for sound |
| 06:56.56 | WDavid | liable |
| 06:57.13 | oskie | WDavid: via-velocity for ethernet, I think |
| 06:57.24 | ludwig | I have a question - what to do if "modprobe ndiswrapper" loads the module but does not quit (hangs)? |
| 06:57.29 | WDavid | i'm on chindows right now becouse of the problem with the gcc |
| 06:58.01 | SerajewelKS | WDavid: not a lot we can do to help if you can't type stuff in debian |
| 06:58.22 | WDavid | :( |
| 06:58.41 | WDavid | i will be going to solve the problem with the gcc |
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| 06:58.52 | mhall | sparr: yeah that happened to me |
| 06:59.05 | mhall | sparr: 3.5 is trying to make certain interface improvements |
| 06:59.16 | WDavid | but, what else have to be done for get the cable working on debian? |
| 06:59.19 | mhall | sparr: since they are done with the basic gui idea it's time to ramp it up a notch |
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| 06:59.29 | SerajewelKS | mhall: except that that option was available in 3.4 too |
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| 07:00.36 | WDavid | else than get working the encore pci card |
| 07:00.59 | WDavid | what do i put over interfaces? |
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| 07:02.16 | mhall | SerajewelKS: yes but what you choose as defaults is far more important than what you have available |
| 07:02.40 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i look at available features as a measure of programmer spare time, and defaults as a measure of programmer philosophy |
| 07:02.43 | ludwig | well? |
| 07:02.47 | kofuzed | WDavid: do 'lspci' and 'lspci -n' and pastebin the output of both |
| 07:04.06 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 07:04.09 | *** mode/#debian [+J 25,10] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:04.11 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:04.16 | WDavid | ok, i will be going |
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| 07:07.08 | mhall | dondelelcaro: what's 'J' do |
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| 07:07.23 | dondelelcaro | mhall: it's a join limiter, 10 buckets which shift in 25 second increments. |
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| 07:07.55 | mhall | dondelelcaro: this network has more modes than i do bad jokes |
| 07:08.01 | mhall | dondelelcaro: which is really saying something |
| 07:08.29 | Znh | I am trying to get rid of xdm, so I did apt-get remove xdm --purge. But there is now some different user manager loading (An even more uglier one). How can I remove that as well? |
| 07:08.42 | dondelelcaro | !tell mhall -about fn modes |
| 07:09.44 | mhall | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 07:11.23 | dominicano | !seen iamroot |
| 07:11.24 | dpkg | dominicano: i haven't seen 'iamroot' |
| 07:11.26 | mhall | way too quiet |
| 07:11.33 | mhall | !seen wurzel |
| 07:11.33 | dpkg | mhall: i haven't seen 'wurzel' |
| 07:11.36 | dominicano | !seen dvm1981 |
| 07:11.36 | dpkg | dvm1981 <n=david@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 15d 7h 48m 14s ago, saying: 'fhffhqvb: Need to take a break ?'. |
| 07:11.48 | mhall | dondelelcaro: how long does the bot remember the !seen data |
| 07:11.50 | liable | Znh: uglier than gdm? :) |
| 07:11.53 | sparr | SerajewelKS: i like it |
| 07:12.19 | jm_ | Znh: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 07:12.25 | dondelelcaro | mhall: don't remember. |
| 07:12.28 | sparr | mhall: unfortunately the same upgrade also made some of my panel applets change color... distractingly so |
| 07:12.36 | mhall | dondelelcaro: neither does the bot :-) |
| 07:12.41 | mhall | sparr: odd |
| 07:12.50 | mhall | sparr: but i don't use any so i didn't notice |
| 07:12.58 | mhall | sparr: what kind of junk do yours do |
| 07:12.59 | dondelelcaro | mhall: iirc, it distinguishes also based on how many lines someone has said; people who don't say much are more likely to have their records deleted than people who say a lot. |
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| 07:13.04 | dondelelcaro | !seen rahul |
| 07:13.04 | dpkg | rahul <n=rahul@202.83.43.185> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 21d 7h 47m 23s ago, saying: ':(('. |
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| 07:13.26 | mhall | i always open up lots of porn so i want to preserve taskbar space |
| 07:13.31 | sparr | specifically, the System Monitor (cpu, memory) applet is light grey backgrounded now, instead of the normal dark grey |
| 07:13.38 | Znh | jm_: removed that line of xdm, but still receiving some login screen |
| 07:13.45 | karsten | Is there a good URL for the 2006 GPG key / apt issue? _Not_ the factoid, I want to email this. |
| 07:13.46 | mhall | one KDE feature i hate is that the task icons pile up vertically before horizontally |
| 07:13.50 | jm_ | Znh: ps will tell you what's running |
| 07:13.52 | mhall | which is really really not natural |
| 07:13.57 | Znh | jm_: xdm |
| 07:14.02 | mhall | !tell karsten about my factoids |
| 07:14.16 | karsten | mhall: Thank you for misreading the question ;-) |
| 07:14.18 | jm_ | Znh: maybe it didn't stop when removing it because you did something strange |
| 07:14.21 | mhall | karsten: search engine of factoids might lead you to URL or let you generate URL |
| 07:14.30 | Znh | jm_: I cant stop it with the init.d script |
| 07:14.31 | mhall | karsten: thanks for not letting me explain |
| 07:14.38 | karsten | mhall: No problems, mate ;-) |
| 07:14.43 | jm_ | Znh: you can normally, try killing it |
| 07:14.58 | Znh | jm_: killing works yes. |
| 07:15.04 | Znh | jm_: but it will still start at bootup |
| 07:15.15 | jm_ | Znh: it won't if you purged xdm |
| 07:15.23 | Znh | jm_: well, I really did :) |
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| 07:15.32 | mhall | i wish i came with a disclaimer that i think nonlinearly and practice nonstandard problem solving techniques |
| 07:15.34 | karsten | mhall: This is about the closest I've found, even here it's a discussion-level treatment, not in the article itself. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 07:15.38 | jm_ | Znh: purging it takes /etc/init.d/foo with it |
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| 07:15.46 | Znh | jm_: yep |
| 07:15.52 | mhall | because even though i say goofy stuff 9/10 times it might be a decent way to go about things |
| 07:15.57 | mhall | but i don't so fuck it |
| 07:16.13 | streuner | dondelelcaro: we had less problems in the last days, why did you change 'J'? |
| 07:16.28 | jm_ | Znh: did someone else mess with the box? by say editing inittab? |
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| 07:16.36 | sparr | mhall: odd, ive never had my panel tall enough for more than one row of task icons |
| 07:16.56 | dondelelcaro | streuner: because people are getting stuck into #debian-overflow who are legitimate users who shouldn't be |
| 07:16.58 | mhall | sparr: mine is the default stock setting |
| 07:17.05 | mhall | sparr: which allows two rows |
| 07:17.05 | sparr | heh, whose default? |
| 07:17.18 | mhall | sparr: debian KDE |
| 07:17.23 | sparr | it has changed |
| 07:17.23 | streuner | dondelelcaro: ic |
| 07:17.26 | sparr | at least twice |
| 07:17.36 | sparr | twice that i ever noticed, i dont reinstall very often |
| 07:17.45 | dondelelcaro | we've been running with 25,10 forever. |
| 07:17.54 | mhall | sparr: the only thing i h4x0r3d was key bindings, desktop background, window focus |
| 07:18.04 | justin_ | is there anyway to get more then four ide channels working? |
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| 07:18.15 | justin_ | like so i have hdi- hdl? |
| 07:18.19 | sparr | justin: add another ide card |
| 07:18.19 | dondelelcaro | justin_: if you've got cards which can support them, yes. |
| 07:18.21 | mhall | justin_: i thought that was trivial |
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| 07:18.24 | streuner | yeah, "lilo" made a recommentation about 30.3 |
| 07:18.33 | mhall | justin_: just get a fresh IO card and install the driver? |
| 07:18.34 | dondelelcaro | streuner: right, but there was no discussion about it at all. |
| 07:18.34 | sparr | i turned on all the extra window management buttons :) |
| 07:18.41 | Znh | jm_: infact, it's a brand new installation. On the newest net installation availible |
| 07:18.50 | sparr | ive got 8 buttons on the top of each window instead of the normal 4ish |
| 07:18.50 | dondelelcaro | streuner: it's probably fine for smaller channels, but it's too low for #debian |
| 07:18.52 | streuner | dondelelcaro: its a dilema |
| 07:19.00 | justin_ | sparr: ok so i have four onboard channels and i added a pci card right... but the new card bumps the one onboard one to hdi - hdk and dmesg shows the drives on them |
| 07:19.03 | justin_ | but i cant access them |
| 07:19.06 | mhall | streuner: lilo has a history of making liberalistic open assumption of happy well behaved users |
| 07:19.15 | mhall | streuner: which is not true of #debian |
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| 07:19.23 | sparr | justin: odd. try your bios, assign lower IRQs to the onboard controller |
| 07:19.23 | justin_ | like they are there and the kernel knows it but there are is no way to access them |
| 07:19.31 | justin_ | hmm |
| 07:19.36 | dondelelcaro | streuner: sure... but even in the past few times that we've gotten 10 bots in channel, they haven't managed to start flooding before they were banned... |
| 07:19.45 | jm_ | create device files? it won't work if you're using udev though |
| 07:19.48 | justin_ | well im just wondering if there is a way to create hdi-hdk in /dev |
| 07:19.51 | dondelelcaro | (or rather klined) |
| 07:19.52 | SimonRaven | debhelper++ |
| 07:19.54 | dondelelcaro | justin_: yes, with MAKEDEV |
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| 07:20.07 | sparr | ive got two two-channel controllers onboard, and a pci controller extra, for 6 total channels, and i can screw with their order in linux by changing IRQs |
| 07:20.08 | mhall | streuner: in my many chats with him i have learned that he views this channel as somewhat of a bastard stepchild |
| 07:20.20 | justin_ | dondelelcaro: i was looking at that, only thing i dont know about is the major and minor numbers |
| 07:20.28 | liable | haha |
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| 07:20.33 | jm_ | MAKEDEV knows that for you ... |
| 07:20.38 | sparr | justin: sure, you could manually create the device nodes, but its relatively certain that wont help |
| 07:20.46 | SimonRaven | justin_: you don't need to know them to use MAKEDEV |
| 07:20.50 | justin_ | ok |
| 07:21.27 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:21.27 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:21.37 | mhall | justin_: you sound like somebody in need of a raid controller or three |
| 07:21.53 | sparr | the debian nvidia packages have some problems for version 8178 |
| 07:21.54 | justin_ | mhall: heh 6 hdds, but im using lvm |
| 07:22.05 | justin_ | just wanted to put each drive on its own channel so that things are faster |
| 07:22.23 | dondelelcaro | justin_: you probably don't need to know; MAKEDEV hdi hdj; should do the right thing, iirc. |
| 07:22.25 | justin_ | instead of having stuff in master/slave configurations |
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| 07:22.43 | sparr | i wish i could run popcon |
| 07:22.43 | mhall | !satasmite justin_ |
| 07:22.44 | tarzeau | YAYè |
| 07:22.50 | tarzeau | POPCON HAS REACHED 10099 submissions! |
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| 07:23.04 | mhall | tarzeau: what is 1337 about this figure |
| 07:23.07 | justin_ | dondelelcaro: heh, ill try that out in a sec, lol just moved all the drives around again lol |
| 07:23.18 | tarzeau | mhall: it's just a number with 5 charaters... |
| 07:23.23 | beardy | mhall: It's greater than 10098? |
| 07:23.28 | justin_ | i should just retire the old 120 and 100 drives and get more 200 or 300 drives lol |
| 07:23.34 | mhall | tarzeau: i thought there was some secret joke i missed |
| 07:23.39 | mhall | tarzeau: like 42 except bigger |
| 07:23.44 | tarzeau | mhall: nah, it's early morning |
| 07:23.59 | tarzeau | mhall: i wish all people would use it, to get real statistics on how much people really use debian |
| 07:24.02 | mhall | justin_: i'll take them |
| 07:24.08 | justin_ | lol |
| 07:24.18 | mhall | tarzeau: it's our own damn fault |
| 07:24.24 | sparr | tarzeau: it would have more if debian could advance out of the 1980s and find a simpler method than email for submissions (and i mean this for the BTS as well as popcon) |
| 07:24.25 | tarzeau | mhall: and statistics with weighing number of people, package, bugs of package would be interesting |
| 07:24.28 | mhall | tarzeau: we didn't put a request in the installer |
| 07:24.31 | justin_ | mhall: well retiring meaning put in diff machines lol, instead of the media server |
| 07:24.39 | tarzeau | mhall: it was in, but it got removed |
| 07:24.40 | Guerin | sparr: what is simpler than email? |
| 07:24.52 | mhall | tarzeau: removing it was stupid. wtf. |
| 07:24.58 | sparr | Guerin: http |
| 07:25.02 | tarzeau | sparr: for popcon http submissions are possible, also with the stable backport |
| 07:25.06 | sparr | Guerin: ftp even |
| 07:25.06 | tarzeau | sparr: for bts, oh well |
| 07:25.08 | Guerin | sparr: a wise man said something about this once |
| 07:25.14 | tarzeau | mhall: full ack |
| 07:25.14 | Guerin | !advocacy troll |
| 07:25.14 | dpkg | [advocacy troll] a term that greycat made up to describe a troll who demands action (typically unreasonable or unachievable) "for the good of Debian". Example: "Debian needs to have a graphical installer to make it easier for end users to increase its market share!" Example: "The BTS should have a web interface for submitting bugs so we can have vague, misspelled, irreproducible PEBKAC errors and no way to contact the submitter!" |
| 07:25.37 | sparr | bullshit |
| 07:25.41 | liable | hehe |
| 07:25.44 | beardy | tarzeau: It is? I thought it was only email, I don't have outgoing mail on the box I could install it. |
| 07:25.51 | beardy | +on |
| 07:25.53 | Guerin | sparr: the BTS works fine as it is. |
| 07:25.55 | sparr | bugzilla requires a working email address on accounts. its MORE accountable than the bts, where i can spoof my email |
| 07:25.56 | liable | gotta miss greycat.. |
| 07:26.20 | mhall | sparr: spoof is *not* the problem |
| 07:26.27 | mhall | sparr: it's mistyping |
| 07:26.28 | sparr | tarzeau: since when? |
| 07:26.30 | mhall | sparr: human stuff |
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| 07:26.37 | mhall | sparr: if it's spoofed the dev can just delete |
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| 07:26.42 | tarzeau | sparr: since testing |
| 07:26.47 | sparr | mhall: and the current system only resolves that by being so annoying that the less helpful submitters just dont bother |
| 07:26.48 | tarzeau | beardy: no it's also http |
| 07:26.49 | Guerin | sparr: you don't submit bugreports by email, anyway. You submit them with reportbug. |
| 07:26.54 | tarzeau | beardy: but you must dpkg-reconfigure it after install |
| 07:27.00 | tarzeau | beardy: so you can install it now? |
| 07:27.01 | mhall | sparr: the real problem is spam, which is taken care of craigslist style by enduser flagging |
| 07:27.01 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:27.01 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:27.09 | beardy | tarzeau: I'll install it right away then. |
| 07:27.18 | sparr | tarzeau: ill install popcon now then, it was email only last i checked |
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| 07:27.50 | sparr | awesome |
| 07:27.51 | mhall | dpkg, no, popcon is Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:27.51 | dpkg | mhall: I think you lost me on that one |
| 07:27.54 | sparr | popcon.submissions++ |
| 07:27.58 | rAz__ | hi, i need help for evas lib compiling, when using autogen.sh script, this kind of warning message is displayed for all the subfolder of src/modules/engines of evas ty before >> automake: src/modules/engines/software_x11/Makefile.am: warning: automake does not support module_la_LDFLAGS being defined conditionally |
| 07:27.59 | mhall | dpkg, no, popcon is Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:27.59 | dpkg | mhall: I think you lost me on that one |
| 07:28.11 | mhall | argh what the hell did i do? |
| 07:28.14 | tarzeau | sparr: just do the dpkg-reconfigure thing |
| 07:28.16 | sparr | dpkg, literal popcon |
| 07:28.16 | dpkg | "#debian popcon" is "<reply> Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff" |
| 07:28.20 | Guerin | mhall: get rid of the 'is' |
| 07:28.22 | tarzeau | beardy: fantastic! i can see it reach 20000 already |
| 07:28.26 | tarzeau | or 1000000 |
| 07:28.29 | beardy | tarzeau: :) |
| 07:28.33 | sparr | mhall: you have to use a literal <reply> if your answer starts with 'foo is' |
| 07:28.42 | mhall | dpkg, no, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:28.43 | dpkg | mhall: okay |
| 07:29.02 | mhall | sparr: that hunk of is shit is not needed anyhow; may as well delete |
| 07:29.24 | sparr | mhall: oh, i know, im just trying to help out with the infobot confusion :) |
| 07:29.31 | mhall | i just wanted to correct the mistaken assumption people have that dpkg-reconfigure without -plow will actually do anything useful |
| 07:29.36 | SimonRaven | s/info/bloot/ |
| 07:29.40 | Guerin | dpkg is an outfobot |
| 07:29.50 | sparr | whatever he is is an infobot fork, or clone. |
| 07:29.51 | mhall | sparr: i was just explaining what i decided to do so my behavior might make sense |
| 07:29.56 | mhall | sparr: i doo appreciate the explanation |
| 07:30.25 | sparr | dpkg, botsnack |
| 07:30.25 | dpkg | sparr: aw, gee |
| 07:30.30 | mhall | i really should file a bug on the X server for how badly it sucks when you dont do the drxx with -plow |
| 07:30.57 | sparr | now if only the BTS had an http option like popcon does |
| 07:30.58 | mhall | but gravity and crew would probably get sore with me |
| 07:31.04 | sparr | maybe i could submit my bug report from this morning |
| 07:31.09 | SimonRaven | i set debconf on low anyway |
| 07:31.11 | mhall | no i don't want it to |
| 07:31.20 | mhall | bugs should be sent with reportbug |
| 07:31.22 | sparr | since reportbug didnt give me an error i assume that i have a MTA, it just doesnt work any more |
| 07:31.33 | mhall | SimonRaven: some of the recent daily builds of the debian installer force it to high |
| 07:31.47 | mhall | SimonRaven: and then i have to reconfigure every single package on the box with it reset to low |
| 07:31.51 | mhall | SimonRaven: it pisses me off |
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| 07:32.11 | rAz__ | anyone meet problem with evas lib compilation on e17 ? :) |
| 07:32.12 | mhall | dpkg drxx |
| 07:32.12 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 07:32.20 | SimonRaven | that's a bug imo - should be medium if anything |
| 07:32.21 | sparr | anyone have tips on figuring out why exim4 isnt sending email that reportbug (supposedly) gives it? |
| 07:32.31 | SimonRaven | (i prefer low ;) |
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| 07:33.11 | mhall | dpkg, no, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] |
| 07:33.11 | dpkg | mhall: okay |
| 07:33.22 | mhall | dpkg, drxx is also run it as root |
| 07:33.22 | dpkg | is also run it as root: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 07:33.40 | SimonRaven | stop mangling the factoids |
| 07:33.42 | liable | i thought debconf was generally set high for install? |
| 07:33.50 | sparr | "dpkg-reconfigure normally shows low priority questions no matter what your default priority is" |
| 07:33.52 | mhall | SimonRaven: i was trying to neaten it up |
| 07:33.54 | sparr | -plow seems redundant |
| 07:34.15 | mhall | sparr: hmm it didn't work for me on X |
| 07:34.21 | SimonRaven | sparr: when re-run. not on first install |
| 07:34.49 | sparr | SimonRaven: hence the re in 'reconfigure' :) |
| 07:34.52 | beardy | tarzeau: hmm, so how can I tell that it really will use http? |
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| 07:35.20 | SimonRaven | when you do apt-get install foo that has a debconf bit, it'll default to whatever debconf is set to; when you re-run afterwards, then it's low |
| 07:35.28 | liable | mhall: how about adding the rest of the shit back for the factoid? |
| 07:35.29 | sparr | if reportbug didnt use email id have submitted my bug report from this morning by now |
| 07:35.40 | tarzeau | beardy: dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest |
| 07:35.44 | sparr | SimonRaven: yes, that seems to follow |
| 07:35.54 | tarzeau | beardy: and then select http submit, run /etc/cron.weekly/popularity-contest |
| 07:35.56 | mhall | liable: i think somebody else already patched it |
| 07:35.56 | dondelelcaro | sparr: what's the problem? |
| 07:36.00 | liable | sparr: exim4.log? |
| 07:36.03 | mhall | liable: but i will go check on it in /msg |
| 07:36.43 | Dewi | when I create or destroy a window, screen often complains that it cannot access utmp. The permissions look right to me (and identical to my other systems), so how would I go about diagnosing this further? |
| 07:37.17 | beardy | tarzeau: It only asks if I want to participate or not. (this is a sarge box, if the versions differ..) |
| 07:37.20 | sparr | dondelelcaro: exim isnt delivering my email. i havent tried to use it in about a year, and dont remember if it ever functioned correctly |
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| 07:37.40 | sparr | liable: exim4/mainlog |
| 07:37.47 | dondelelcaro | sparr: that's fine; reconfigure reportbug to talk smtp directly to bugs.debian.org |
| 07:37.49 | liable | sparr: yeah.. |
| 07:38.11 | sparr | 2006-02-13 01:05:08 1F8Mxe-0007K9-55 == submit@bugs.debian.org R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (110): Connection timed out |
| 07:38.31 | dondelelcaro | sparr: if you've got it set up right, you should have something like smtphost bugs.debian.org |
| 07:38.36 | sparr | dondelelcaro: that functionality is news to me |
| 07:38.53 | mhall | liable: alright i fixed it up |
| 07:38.56 | dondelelcaro | sparr: it's had that functionality for quite some time now; it should be the default now too. |
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| 07:39.10 | sparr | dondelelcaro: i havent configured reportbug in quite some time :) |
| 07:39.20 | sparr | nor popcon, its http support was news to me |
| 07:39.26 | Guerin | sparr: if you really want a web interface, paste reportbug output into a hotmail.com window and click 'send' |
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| 07:39.42 | liable | funky. |
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| 07:39.50 | dondelelcaro | sparr: or you can just reportbug --smtphost=bugs.debian.org ... |
| 07:40.18 | sparr | Guerin: very funny. and if i simply want to subscribe to a bug? or do anything other than report new bugs? then i get to go read the BTS manual, build the command and email it manually. something that should only take 2 clicks with any modern system |
| 07:40.18 | foo | I am getting some issues installing the skype .deb from the website. Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed |
| 07:40.22 | foo | Any ideas? |
| 07:40.30 | sparr | foo: youve got the wrong qt3 :) |
| 07:40.39 | sparr | i think youve got libqt3-mt |
| 07:40.42 | foo | hmm |
| 07:40.44 | sparr | been a while since i hit that problem |
| 07:40.52 | sparr | someone here can definitely point you in the right direction, but not me :( |
| 07:40.56 | foo | ahh |
| 07:41.04 | Guerin | sparr: if you're not running debian, why do you want to subscribe to a debian bug? And if you are, what's preventing you from just using reportbug? |
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| 07:41.18 | sparr | dondelelcaro: reportbug doesnt appear to have any configurable options |
| 07:41.24 | dondelelcaro | sparr: sure it does. |
| 07:41.31 | dondelelcaro | sparr: I'm staring right at the manpage right now. |
| 07:41.36 | sparr | those are command line options |
| 07:41.40 | sparr | not configuration options |
| 07:41.45 | liable | foo: google for debian skype it tells you what you need. or force it and apt-get -f install. |
| 07:41.47 | Dewi | sparr: --smtphost=HOST[:PORT] |
| 07:41.49 | de-almasy | hello, i would very like to have a local mirror for testing branch.... i wonder where do i start to look for some guidelines |
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| 07:41.56 | sparr | the latter being typified as being held in a file or files |
| 07:42.03 | Guerin | oh, wtf |
| 07:42.07 | Dewi | sparr: who gives a fuck if it's held in a file? |
| 07:42.08 | sparr | or in the mystical workings of the debconf system |
| 07:42.18 | Dewi | sparr: write yourself a script if it's such an issue |
| 07:42.28 | dondelelcaro | sparr: read the section entitled CONFIGURATION FILES and become enlightened. |
| 07:42.33 | sparr | Dewi: the guy who forgot to type it this morning, and thus now has a bug report sitting in a broken exim queue |
| 07:42.36 | dondelelcaro | sparr: FE: "Generally, options corresponding to the GNU long options for reportbug are supported, without leading -- sequences" |
| 07:42.52 | de-almasy | hmm i think i found it |
| 07:42.57 | Dewi | sparr: so use the configuration file then |
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| 07:43.24 | sparr | but, at this point, id rather just try to fix exim |
| 07:43.35 | streuner | argh |
| 07:43.41 | foo | liable: err, -f install doesn't work. I don't understand why I can't just grab the .deb and dpkg -i it |
| 07:43.46 | mhall | skype's service does not work esp. well for me. google talk used to work but for some reason my mic quit working in vmware. any other possibilities? |
| 07:43.50 | dondelelcaro | hell, if it's too difficult, you can even read http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home-plus/.reportbugrc |
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| 07:44.57 | Dewi | when I create or destroy a window, screen often complains that it cannot access utmp. The permissions look right to me (and identical to my other systems), so how would I go about diagnosing this further? |
| 07:45.13 | sparr | Guerin: did it ever occur to you that someone might want to interact with the BTS while not running debian? |
| 07:45.36 | dondelelcaro | sparr: everyone can send mail. Not everyone can use a web browser. |
| 07:45.43 | tarzeau | beardy: yes sarge version can't do it, but i did a backport that can do it, see www.backport.org |
| 07:45.46 | tarzeau | beardy: yes sarge version can't do it, but i did a backport that can do it, see www.backports.org |
| 07:45.53 | liable | foo: thats what i said.. force it, and if the depends are in the debian repo.. then -f will fetch it. |
| 07:46.02 | tarzeau | beardy: sorry, it's really stupid they didn't put that non-mail submission into it earlier |
| 07:46.13 | dondelelcaro | sparr: the people who actually use the bts to do their work prefer being able to do work without being directly connected to the network at all times. If we wanted bugzilla, we'd use bugzilla. |
| 07:46.20 | sparr | dondelelcaro: i find that to be particularly incorrect on just about every system ive ever used |
| 07:46.25 | sparr | ive never been without a web browser |
| 07:46.41 | sparr | quite often ive been without anything but webmail, and i recall a time i didnt have webmail accounts |
| 07:46.44 | Dewi | sparr: doesn't your web browser give you access to any one of about 100 free email systems? |
| 07:46.47 | dondelelcaro | sparr: and you've apparently never worked without a network either. |
| 07:47.00 | sparr | without a network the point is moot either way |
| 07:47.06 | dondelelcaro | sparr: no, it's not. |
| 07:47.09 | foo | liable: I don't think the depends are in the repo |
| 07:47.11 | mhall | sparr: are you from the third fucking world |
| 07:47.14 | Dewi | sparr: no, it's not, because reportbug can run while your network is down |
| 07:47.17 | sparr | email isnt going to work without a network either |
| 07:47.28 | Dewi | sparr: it'll patiently wait until your network comes up and automatically send |
| 07:47.29 | liable | foo: so get it, iirc its only one package.. |
| 07:47.30 | dondelelcaro | sparr: sure it will. It gets queued up, and gets transfered when I plug myself back in. |
| 07:47.52 | Dewi | sparr: you know, like your mail is right now |
| 07:48.04 | Dewi | sparr: if you weren't using mail, your dude would have been waiting for you all this time |
| 07:48.08 | sparr | Dewi: i believe youre confusing reportbug with your MTA. without having tried it, im willing to bet that reportbug simply errors out if you tell it to handle its own smtp and it cant |
| 07:48.28 | Dewi | sparr: but it doesn't do that by default |
| 07:48.37 | Dewi | sparr: it uses your MTA |
| 07:48.41 | sparr | if you have one |
| 07:48.44 | sparr | which i currently dont |
| 07:48.44 | mhall | one huge problem i have with reportbug is that it bombs when sending the email fails and dumps it into a text file |
| 07:48.48 | dondelelcaro | sparr: reportbug is only part of the system; few of us who actually use the bts to do serious work actually use reportbug |
| 07:48.54 | mhall | which is then a big fat bitch to re-process into the mail stream |
| 07:48.55 | sparr | not a working one, anyways |
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| 07:49.01 | beardy | tarzeau: I'll try your backport then. |
| 07:49.07 | mhall | i generally end up pasting the sonofabitch into a telnet window |
| 07:49.08 | dondelelcaro | mhall: eh? you should be able to sendmail -t it. |
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| 07:49.22 | mhall | dondelelcaro: didn't realize that would work |
| 07:49.24 | Dewi | mhall: I wish I had a good way to do that. Often I have dumps of email I want to resend. In fact I've spent hours today doing just that |
| 07:49.34 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i always swore and pasted it into telnet |
| 07:49.36 | tarzeau | beardy: thansk alot :) |
| 07:49.42 | dondelelcaro | nah, just sendmail -t < fooemail; |
| 07:49.47 | sparr | dondelelcaro: i imagine eventually typing out the commands and such becomes second nature. i was a big fan of email gaming (chess, etc) for a long time and had no problem spitting out the lines required to make moves and start/stop games |
| 07:49.51 | mhall | Dewi: dondelelcaro made us both look like big fat morons |
| 07:50.06 | mhall | dondelelcaro: if you ever make it to norcal i owe you a beer for putting up with all my crap |
| 07:50.18 | dondelelcaro | sparr: well, if you don't know the commands you really shouldn't be mucking with the bugs. |
| 07:50.34 | sparr | dondelelcaro: but the point remains that its old fashined and inefficient to offer that as the primary method of interaction. you would have to put a hell of a lot of time into scripting to work with the current BTS as quickly as any novice can handle bugzilla |
| 07:50.37 | dondelelcaro | sparr: the basic ones are handled by reportbug; if you want to subscribe, it's the pretty simple bugnumber-subscribe@bugs.debain.org |
| 07:51.01 | dondelelcaro | sparr: right, but have you ever tried to modify more than 20 bugs in a single swipe with mozilla? Good luck. |
| 07:51.03 | mhall | sparr: i think bugzilla's interface is a bitch. too many checkboxes and shit |
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| 07:51.18 | dondelelcaro | sparr: bugzilla makes it easy for the novice, and impossible for the people who are actually using the system to get work done. |
| 07:51.21 | mhall | sparr: also web-based stuff is too slow, i hate for example reading mailing lists with a web-based email client |
| 07:51.25 | sparr | i choose bugzilla simply for its large installation base, there are of course other bug tracking systems out there. i dont particularly like sourceforge's |
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| 07:52.11 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: so that sendmail -t thing... does that avoid messing with the email any more than absolutely necessary? just stick it in the queue? |
| 07:52.14 | dondelelcaro | sparr: in any case, if you feel strongly about it, nothing is stoping you from sitting down and writing a web interface to send out the various control messages. |
| 07:52.31 | sparr | dondelelcaro: in what way? changing the priority on 20 bugs would be a matter of... 60 clicks |
| 07:52.32 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: it reads the message to figure out who to send it to, and rips out Bcc: if necessary. |
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| 07:52.43 | dondelelcaro | sparr: right, and in debbugs, it's 1 message. |
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| 07:53.21 | sparr | even with copy and paste it would take you longer to put that message together |
| 07:53.29 | dondelelcaro | sparr: no, it wouldn't... |
| 07:53.37 | dondelelcaro | I've worked with both systems, I ought to know. |
| 07:54.08 | Dewi | sparr: call me crazy, but since 90% of bugs is email correspondence, merging the conversation with the bug handling system seems like a neat idea |
| 07:54.19 | sparr | assume its all laid out properly already... youd have to paste in the 20 bug numbers, then paste the new priority next to each of them. i could perform the same operation in bugzilla in a matter of about 30 seconds |
| 07:54.22 | beardy | tarzeau: There, installed and configured. Now I only have to wait for it to be run :) |
| 07:54.26 | Dewi | sparr: keeping people in the loop by sending out "notifications" seems way clunkier |
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| 07:54.44 | mhall | sparr: what about an awk hack |
| 07:54.54 | dondelelcaro | sparr: just type in the bug numbers, then C-x r t 'severity', then C-x r t 'serious'; done. |
| 07:55.09 | dondelelcaro | unless your editor is a POS, it takes seconds. |
| 07:55.12 | sparr | Dewi: its exactly the same. a mere conceptual difference. it FUNCTIONS differently, but the users get the same messages |
| 07:55.32 | Dewi | sparr: it's a difference that means the debbugs interface is minimal and simple |
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| 07:55.54 | sparr | dondelelcaro: im unfamiliar with what i assume to be emacs shortcuts. what are "r t"? |
| 07:56.00 | dondelelcaro | sparr: rectangle insertion |
| 07:56.32 | Dewi | this sounds like a GUI/CLI holy war to me, under another name |
| 07:56.40 | dondelelcaro | could be... |
| 07:56.56 | sparr | Dewi: very close |
| 07:57.06 | dondelelcaro | sparr: but in any event, if it's something that you actually care about, you can write a gui interface to the BTS. Just don't expect anyone else who doesn't think it is necessary to do it for you. |
| 07:57.10 | sparr | and it has the same correct answer |
| 07:57.14 | sparr | each for its own purpose |
| 07:57.40 | sparr | 20 bugs at once is probably exactly the middle ground |
| 07:57.47 | sparr | 200 at once and the debian way wins, hands down |
| 07:57.54 | buu | Hrm. |
| 07:58.03 | buu | Is this #debian or #debian-overflow? |
| 07:58.03 | dondelelcaro | sparr: well, I've modified a few hundred in one shot before. |
| 07:58.06 | sparr | but working on, or submitting, just one bug, and the bugzilla way is superior in every way but perhaps two |
| 07:58.07 | dondelelcaro | buu: #debian |
| 07:58.14 | buu | dondelelcaro: Oh. Ok. |
| 07:58.22 | streuner | buu: what irc-client do you use? |
| 07:58.29 | buu | I wonder why irssi is listing debian-overflow |
| 07:58.41 | dondelelcaro | sparr: not in my experience, or in the experience of other people who actually contribute code to debbugs. |
| 07:58.41 | sparr | email queuing while youre offline is a small point in reportbug's favor, if youve got a working MTA |
| 07:58.44 | buu | Oh, must be a mart of the channel modes. |
| 07:58.49 | dondelelcaro | buu: yerp |
| 07:58.51 | buu | [7:#debian(+JLPcflnt 25,10 #debian-overflow 773)] |
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| 07:59.21 | buu | Heh, ok. An actual question. What is the best way to back up 15+g of material over a residential type line (6mbit) |
| 07:59.27 | Dewi | Argh. There seem to be quite a few DNS servers that just... hate my DNS. How the hell does one debug foreign DNS? |
| 07:59.30 | buu | I'm trying rsyncd on the server and rsync on the client |
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| 07:59.43 | cisee | buu: one time or on a regular basis ? |
| 07:59.47 | Dewi | is there some way I can check all my DNS structures for internal consistency or something? |
| 07:59.49 | buu | So far It's been running for 15minutes and all it's said is [receiver] expand file_list to 1048576 bytes, did move |
| 07:59.53 | buu | cisee: Regular |
| 08:00.00 | buu | Oh hey, stuff is happening. |
| 08:00.08 | sparr | dondelelcaro: that group makes up the extreme minority |
| 08:00.11 | cisee | buu: i would check out backupninja, it supports rsync/duplicity/rdiff |
| 08:00.18 | buu | cisee: I'l look in to it. |
| 08:00.27 | Dewi | buu: I think irssi only just started displaying that |
| 08:00.28 | dondelelcaro | sparr: *shrug*; we're the people who actually use the BTS, and the people who actually write code for it, so we're the people that matter. |
| 08:00.30 | Dewi | buu: it seems new to me too |
| 08:00.31 | cisee | Dewi: there are a bunch of perl programs that do that, can't recall their names |
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| 08:00.39 | sparr | dondelelcaro: and "because the coders dont like it" is by far the worst excuse for stagnation |
| 08:00.50 | sparr | im a user |
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| 08:00.54 | sparr | ive got a bug |
| 08:00.58 | sparr | id really like to report it |
| 08:01.03 | dondelelcaro | sparr: so use reportbug to do it! |
| 08:01.09 | UziMaster | How can I resolve LAN IP by hostname in Debian? |
| 08:01.12 | dondelelcaro | sparr: you've been told how to get it to work... |
| 08:01.18 | sparr | i did. now ive got to go convince my MTA to deliver it |
| 08:01.18 | mhall | DeadlyNinja: somebody made some perl tools that generate proper zone files |
| 08:01.22 | mhall | shit |
| 08:01.28 | DeadlyNinja | mhall, thanks dood! |
| 08:01.29 | dondelelcaro | UziMaster: I'd suggest using /etc/hosts or dnsmasq or similar |
| 08:01.31 | mhall | Dewi: somebody made some perl tools that generate proper zone files |
| 08:01.32 | streuner | UziMaster: man hosts |
| 08:01.40 | sparr | whereas with http i would have know the process was completely out of my hand the instant i finished the process |
| 08:01.44 | mhall | Dewi: apologies, my nick-complete is t3h b0rk3d ;-) |
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| 08:01.52 | mhall | DeadlyNinja: apologies, my nick-complete is t3h b0rk3d ;-) |
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| 08:01.58 | UziMaster | The problem is the IPs are dynamic, I cannot use hosts file |
| 08:02.00 | DeadlyNinja | mhall, dpkg-reconfigure locales generates locales if that is what you are talking about |
| 08:02.01 | dondelelcaro | sparr: *shrug*; sucks to be you then. |
| 08:02.03 | mhall | DeadlyNinja: as you can see just there :-) |
| 08:02.07 | beardy | UziMaster: dnsmasq works nice for that, I use it myself, read the configuration file, examples are in there IIRC |
| 08:02.10 | sparr | so, back to my question of earlier... |
| 08:02.11 | UziMaster | most PCs in LAN are Windows boxes |
| 08:02.13 | Dewi | mhall: hmm. I wish the clown that wrote these zones was using them. :P |
| 08:02.18 | DeadlyNinja | mhall, i just got here i dunno whats going on |
| 08:02.19 | UziMaster | and there's no DNS |
| 08:02.20 | mhall | Dewi: oof |
| 08:02.32 | CompWizrd | what about nmblookup? |
| 08:02.36 | sparr | how can i resolve this problem with exim not delivering my outbound mail? 2006-02-13 01:13:05 1F8Mxe-0007K9-55 == submit@bugs.debian.org R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host |
| 08:02.37 | CompWizrd | (to uzimaster) |
| 08:02.40 | mhall | DeadlyNinja: yeah, so my irc client popped your nickname up instead of Dewi |
| 08:02.41 | dondelelcaro | UziMaster: they won't be able to resolve unless you have a lan dns server which is serving entries out of /etc/hosts and the machines are sending to it. |
| 08:02.59 | mhall | Dewi: can you run the demon in the foreground and kill -HUP it when you h4x0r the files |
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| 08:03.04 | dondelelcaro | s/sending to/resolving from/ |
| 08:03.11 | mhall | Dewi: then if it's pissed at you it should give log messages on the console |
| 08:03.11 | DeadlyNinja | mhall, im not mad or anything i thought it was rather amusing |
| 08:03.21 | UziMaster | dondelelcaro: I was able to do that in Redhat with samba & nsswitch |
| 08:03.28 | Acid`X | wheres the file to change the runlevels? |
| 08:03.33 | dondelelcaro | Acid`X: /etc/inittab |
| 08:03.44 | Acid`X | dondelelcaro: ty |
| 08:03.56 | streuner | AciD: why do you want to change those? |
| 08:04.06 | UziMaster | dondelelcaro: but in debian I dont know where to install libnsswitch that comes with samba |
| 08:04.09 | dondelelcaro | UziMaster: that'll resolve netbios names, not DNS names. |
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| 08:04.20 | UziMaster | Yeah, that's right, netbios names |
| 08:04.24 | UziMaster | I need just that |
| 08:04.30 | kristalino | since .*ubuntu, i have the feeling that debian isn't active as before. Is it true ? |
| 08:04.32 | sparr | better log entry here: 2006-02-13 01:05:08 1F8Mxe-0007K9-55 == submit@bugs.debian.org R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (110): Connection timed out |
| 08:04.33 | mhall | DeadlyNinja: yeah i was just explaining |
| 08:04.39 | UziMaster | for LAN, netbios is OK i think |
| 08:04.45 | CompWizrd | UziMaster: nmblookup should do what you want then.. you can nmblookup -A ip, or nmblookup servername |
| 08:04.48 | mhall | kristalino: questions like this tend to troll the channel |
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| 08:05.05 | DeadlyNinja | hey my friend installed kde and samba, but he doesnt have this tab in his control-panel, anyone know why? http://www.deadlyninja.com/img/smb2.png |
| 08:05.08 | EdLin | kristalino: you're asking this at 3:00AM EST, when it's got over 750 people? |
| 08:05.13 | mhall | kristalino: unless you have a pressing need for the answer it's probably better not to ask or to put it on a mailing list like debian-project |
| 08:05.19 | UziMaster | CompWizrd: yeah, nmblookup work find, but ping and many other stuffs won't work |
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| 08:05.35 | dondelelcaro | kristalino: ubuntu is rather OT here; since we don't care about market share, the answer doesn't really matter. |
| 08:05.41 | UziMaster | i'm gonna write an app that use gethostbyname() |
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| 08:06.00 | UziMaster | for LAN only, so I need this netbios name lookup work |
| 08:06.02 | dondelelcaro | UziMaster: if you're using gethostbyname, you need a dnsserver which resolves the name, not a netbiso server. |
| 08:06.04 | beardy | EdLin: Heard of timezones? |
| 08:06.19 | dondelelcaro | UziMaster: use a real dns server, like dnsmasq, not some horrid windows netbios lookup. |
| 08:06.20 | UziMaster | but.. I did that in redhat |
| 08:06.32 | EdLin | beardy: sure. It's equally at an off hour in UTC, which takes care of Europe too. |
| 08:06.59 | dondelelcaro | UziMaster: you could probably do it to by changing nsswitch.conf, but that would be disgusting. |
| 08:07.04 | UziMaster | i compiled samba with libnsswitch* and it worked for all things which uses gethostbyname |
| 08:07.08 | EdLin | beardy: my point was the channel seems busy to me. |
| 08:07.09 | UziMaster | they worked perfectly |
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| 08:07.51 | UziMaster | is dnsmasq easy to setup? |
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| 08:07.55 | dondelelcaro | UziMaster: yes. |
| 08:08.05 | UziMaster | didnt work with any dns stuff before |
| 08:08.10 | UziMaster | a little scary |
| 08:08.25 | foo | I am trying to install skype and I get this dependency error: Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed. ... I try to apt-get it but I get this: Package libqt3c102-mt is not available, but is referred to by another package. ... any ideas? |
| 08:08.26 | dondelelcaro | well, it's no where near as scary as netbios. |
| 08:08.30 | UziMaster | read a few doc and dns looks nasty |
| 08:08.34 | dondelelcaro | DNS actually works. netbios is craptacular. |
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| 08:08.40 | UziMaster | really? |
| 08:08.44 | dondelelcaro | yes. |
| 08:08.49 | UziMaster | may be i tried dns |
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| 08:08.57 | UziMaster | what is dnsmasq? |
| 08:09.04 | UziMaster | what does it do? |
| 08:09.05 | dondelelcaro | UziMaster: apt-cache show dnsmasq |
| 08:09.15 | mhall | dondelelcaro: craptacular is putting it kindly |
| 08:09.22 | mhall | foo: i can explain |
| 08:09.25 | foo | mhall: k |
| 08:09.42 | mhall | foo: this package existed temporarily during a transition between C++ compiler versions |
| 08:09.57 | mhall | foo: and then got removed and replaces with libqt3-mt again |
| 08:10.12 | foo | mhall: ah, so what package do I need to install to get it to work? |
| 08:10.55 | mhall | foo: after all of the C++ software got rebuilt with GCC 3.4.x or 4.x.x |
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| 08:10.55 | mhall | foo: so. what you need to do is. get the version of skype with static Qt and use that until skype pulls their heads out of their butts |
| 08:11.02 | foo | mhall: ah, what version is that? |
| 08:11.07 | beardy | UziMaster: It's can serve dns requests, or forward them. It also has dhcp server functionality. But read the package description as suggested. |
| 08:11.21 | mhall | foo: it can be dled from their website, unpacked, and run out of its tree of dirs |
| 08:11.23 | UziMaster | yup, i'm reading it :D |
| 08:11.31 | mhall | foo: it's ugly as sin unlike the deb package |
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| 08:11.40 | mhall | foo: but it's what i had to do to get it to work the other day |
| 08:11.49 | mhall | foo: and it's not a perfect fix but it's good enough |
| 08:11.56 | foo | mhall: So download source? Hmm |
| 08:12.25 | mhall | foo: first time you run it, run it out of a console; you'll get audio device permission errors and have to go chmod some devices |
| 08:12.27 | UziMaster | can i review the packages online? |
| 08:12.38 | mhall | foo: they don't have source or somebody would have rebuilt the package |
| 08:12.47 | mhall | foo: so you have to use their binary tar ball |
| 08:12.49 | UziMaster | is there anything like a "packages browser" online ? |
| 08:12.55 | foo | mhall: ah, ok |
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| 08:13.05 | dondelelcaro | UziMaster: pdo.debian.net for the time being can show you the packages. |
| 08:13.05 | liable | foo: erm, where are you getting your skype from? |
| 08:13.14 | mhall | foo: http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/ |
| 08:13.16 | foo | liable: there website |
| 08:13.21 | dondelelcaro | UziMaster: but assuming you're actually running Debian it's fairly trivial to do so using Debian. |
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| 08:13.43 | mhall | liable: the deb version doesn't work because they compiled it in the middle of the C++ ABI transition against a funny-named qt3-mt |
| 08:13.48 | foo | mhall: static binary, right? |
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| 08:13.55 | beardy | UziMaster: Just run aptitude, / to search, q to quit |
| 08:13.59 | liable | foo: i installed the ubuntu .deb without any problems, theres a known problem with there .deb, google it ( well this was a couple o months ago) |
| 08:14.00 | mhall | foo: yes with static Qt :-( |
| 08:14.08 | dondelelcaro | mhall: it probably works just fine on sarge |
| 08:14.09 | UziMaster | wow, nice, thank u |
| 08:14.17 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i don't think it can |
| 08:14.32 | foo | hm |
| 08:14.32 | mhall | dondelelcaro: it deps against libqt3c102-mt |
| 08:14.33 | dondelelcaro | since iirc, sarge has libqt3c102-mt |
| 08:14.42 | mhall | dondelelcaro: it does??? |
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| 08:14.44 | dondelelcaro | !+info libqt3c102-mt sarge |
| 08:14.45 | kristalino | mhall, EdLin dondelelcaro , that is not a trol, and sorry if that hurt you a little, that wasn't an intended thing. Just a fuzzy feeling as i said. For one another example i saw here in the past more people connected on this chan. Well don't answer this post if it hurts you, np :) |
| 08:14.45 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 08:14.48 | UziMaster | beardy: yes i know that :D but sometimes i'd like to view them without apt |
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| 08:14.54 | dpkg | libqt3c102-mt: (Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), Version 3), section libs, is optional. Version: 3:3.3.4-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2973 kB, Installed size: 7428 kB |
| 08:15.09 | turbobee | im about to try debian my first time, and im noticing all these different binary cds 1-14.... I'm thinking about using jjigdo but im not sure which one im going supposed to point to... do you download all the binary cds or something? |
| 08:15.11 | mhall | kristalino: we just wanted to explain why it was not a good topic |
| 08:15.15 | sparr | ed is the standard text editor |
| 08:15.23 | mhall | kristalino: we are not offended and i hope the explanation did not offend you |
| 08:15.25 | dondelelcaro | kristalino: actually, this is about normal for the people in this channel; in any case, it's not a question that has a useful answer anyway. |
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| 08:16.00 | mhall | turbobee: ok. first things first. |
| 08:16.07 | turbobee | eek o_o |
| 08:16.09 | mhall | turbobee: do you have network access on the box in question |
| 08:16.13 | turbobee | yes |
| 08:16.13 | UziMaster | packages.debian.org is down at the moment due to performance issues |
| 08:16.15 | UziMaster | :( |
| 08:16.23 | mhall | turbobee: ok, then you only need a 110 megger |
| 08:16.28 | mhall | !tell turbobee about netinst |
| 08:16.45 | deadcat | business card netinstall is 43MB |
| 08:16.49 | mhall | turbobee: it will install the basic debian system for you and you can cherry pick the rest |
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| 08:16.55 | turbobee | oo cool |
| 08:17.02 | ft | UziMaster: pdo.debian.net |
| 08:17.04 | turbobee | what if i wanted to install EVERYTHING? :) |
| 08:17.05 | mhall | deadcat: i usually grab base too unless i'm installing sid |
| 08:17.11 | dondelelcaro | turbobee: you can't. |
| 08:17.15 | mhall | turbobee: you cannot |
| 08:17.15 | turbobee | ? doh |
| 08:17.22 | mhall | turbobee: things conflict against each other |
| 08:17.26 | turbobee | i see |
| 08:17.27 | beardy | turbobee: You can't, some packages conflict with each other. |
| 08:17.35 | mhall | turbobee: you can't have all 10 or 20 mail demons n shit |
| 08:17.40 | turbobee | lol |
| 08:17.49 | mhall | turbobee: even if you could, it'd be a bad idea you could imagine |
| 08:17.53 | turbobee | guess this is a bit different than a slackware install |
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| 08:18.00 | turbobee | many options |
| 08:18.23 | turbobee | well thank you for that advice, now im much less confused |
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| 08:18.41 | turbobee | one last question, does it have standard support for 2.6 kernel? |
| 08:18.43 | tarzeau | beardy: great, thanks! |
| 08:18.44 | beardy | turbobee: But use the netinstaller, then you can install enough things to get you satidfied I'd imagine.. you can have both kde and gnome, tons of window mangers, a pile of editors and office suits, or whatever you want. |
| 08:18.46 | henk | hi i'm trying to create a makefile with a condition. I only want to allow the make to run if it is called with the $(DESTDIR) var set (using dh_make instead of just make). If i do just 'make' $DESTDIR looks empty but i cannot get the if/then/else to work right. I'm doing 'ifeq($(DESTDIR),'') \ echo "use dh_make" \ exit \ else \ #do stuff \ endif Any hints on how to do this ? |
| 08:19.00 | turbobee | awsome |
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| 08:19.22 | UziMaster | man i'm already lost in aptitude |
| 08:19.26 | mhall | turbobee: you can set it up to do 2.6 eventually |
| 08:19.33 | turbobee | I'm excited to try this out |
| 08:19.37 | mhall | turbobee: i don't think it installs it off the bat though |
| 08:19.42 | beardy | UziMaster: What do you want to do? |
| 08:19.50 | mhall | turbobee: we have to be kind of psycho about what kernel to pick |
| 08:19.50 | turbobee | I cant remember why i needed 2.6 in the first place |
| 08:19.55 | beardy | tarzeau: It's me who should say thanks :) |
| 08:19.58 | beardy | tarzeau: Thanks. |
| 08:20.03 | mhall | turbobee: because the same revision has to work on 10 kinds of cpu or so |
| 08:20.06 | UziMaster | beardy: i want to remove httpd and install apache2 |
| 08:20.14 | beardy | UziMaster: |
| 08:20.17 | UziMaster | beardy: but after that |
| 08:20.21 | mhall | turbobee: and it has to fuck up minimally cause of the funny stuff people install on |
| 08:20.31 | UziMaster | the home page show apache testing page |
| 08:20.40 | UziMaster | the link to its manual won't work |
| 08:20.46 | turbobee | lol |
| 08:20.47 | mhall | turbobee: like, you know, m68030 68040, s390 mainframe, etc. blah blah blah |
| 08:20.54 | UziMaster | though i installed the apache2-doc |
| 08:20.58 | turbobee | all the good stuff that I've never touched in my life |
| 08:21.09 | mhall | turbobee: yeah mercifully so |
| 08:21.10 | beardy | UziMaster: httpd (AFAIK) is a virtual package provided by each webserver, so purge the one you don't want, and install another one. |
| 08:21.22 | mhall | turbobee: but some sick bastards out there like me install stuff on SPARCs n crap |
| 08:21.25 | turbobee | wondering, did i install 2.6 for sata raid support? |
| 08:21.30 | turbobee | or was that supportd in 2.4 too? |
| 08:21.36 | UziMaster | beardy: yes, I purge apache, then install apache2-mpm*... |
| 08:21.51 | turbobee | SPARC, I'd like to see what thats all aobut one these days :p |
| 08:22.01 | UziMaster | beardy: oh and i can't find php5 anywhere inside aptitude |
| 08:22.08 | UziMaster | beardy: only v4 |
| 08:22.20 | Acid`X | can i turn off xprint and xfont server from booting, wont crash anything ny turning this 2 off? |
| 08:22.21 | mhall | turbobee: yeah sata works lots better in 2.6 |
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| 08:22.28 | turbobee | hmm |
| 08:22.30 | beardy | UziMaster: Generally when looking for things, "/msg dpkg search" |
| 08:22.35 | mhall | dondelelcaro: does sarge have linux26 boot option? |
| 08:22.40 | turbobee | well no worries then, I have an ide drive installe just to boot the damn computer |
| 08:22.44 | beardy | mhall: Yes. |
| 08:22.46 | Acid`X | mhall: yes |
| 08:22.49 | mhall | turbobee: hold on |
| 08:22.55 | turbobee | kk |
| 08:22.57 | mhall | turbobee: use linux26 boot option on cd |
| 08:23.03 | turbobee | oh great, thanks! |
| 08:23.05 | mhall | turbobee: then you get a good 2.6.8 with most sata |
| 08:23.21 | mhall | turbobee: also, hit the fkeys for a cool online help gadget |
| 08:23.26 | turbobee | neat |
| 08:23.36 | mhall | turbobee: it will clue you in on tricks you can pull if your stuff messes up a little |
| 08:23.45 | UziMaster | beardy: what does "/msg" means? |
| 08:23.46 | mhall | turbobee: our answer to knoppix cheatcodes and such |
| 08:24.06 | turbobee | so, you think any harm would be done if i took my 2.6 config i have from slackware and just threw it in on the debian when compiling it? |
| 08:24.14 | turbobee | it should all be the same since ts just the linux kernel |
| 08:24.19 | liable | turbobee: erm, linux26 at boot for a 2.6 kernel.. |
| 08:24.21 | mhall | turbobee: if your drivers are good it should be alright |
| 08:24.29 | mhall | liable: i told him |
| 08:24.29 | beardy | UziMaster: It means that to send a private message on irc. Type the things between the quotes, "", in your irc client. |
| 08:24.32 | turbobee | i mean after the fact |
| 08:24.37 | liable | mhall: eventually! |
| 08:24.37 | turbobee | oh ok |
| 08:24.38 | turbobee | cool |
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| 08:24.46 | turbobee | gonna grab the netinstall then :) |
| 08:24.50 | mhall | turbobee: hold on one sec |
| 08:24.56 | turbobee | ok |
| 08:25.00 | mhall | !tell turbobee about kernel-package |
| 08:25.11 | mhall | turbobee: this lets you make a nice clean debian package of the kernel |
| 08:25.23 | turbobee | oh my |
| 08:25.26 | mhall | turbobee: use this procedure when you compile to keep your system free of crap |
| 08:25.34 | turbobee | thats very nice |
| 08:25.35 | beardy | UziMaster: "/msg dpkg search" in particular means, send a private message to dpkg, the bot, and ask about the factoid called "search" |
| 08:25.41 | turbobee | slackware is prone to crap build up ive noticed |
| 08:25.48 | turbobee | mhall have you used slackware before? |
| 08:25.53 | beardy | !tell UziMaster -about dotdeb |
| 08:25.55 | mhall | turbobee: yeah there's another one called java-package which does the same thing for java if you need it |
| 08:26.06 | mhall | turbobee: actually i have only ever used debian and fedora |
| 08:26.11 | turbobee | i see |
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| 08:26.25 | mhall | turbobee: oh and gentoo once |
| 08:26.31 | mhall | turbobee: which is kind of the same idea |
| 08:26.34 | turbobee | my friend recommended debian, and gentoo... |
| 08:26.43 | mhall | turbobee: except automated a little too much so idiots will use it |
| 08:26.45 | turbobee | and ive noticed debian has support for many things |
| 08:27.06 | SlayerXP | turbobee: it supports IRC and porn. |
| 08:27.08 | mhall | turbobee: and with a heavily censored irc chan |
| 08:27.10 | SlayerXP | what more do we need? |
| 08:27.10 | turbobee | YES!!! |
| 08:27.23 | turbobee | ;) |
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| 08:27.42 | mhall | turbobee: but yeah if you have used slackware for a while you should be a pretty sharp linuxer |
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| 08:27.52 | mhall | turbobee: you'll just need time to learn to paint inside the lines |
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| 08:28.06 | mhall | turbobee: let me give you some docs |
| 08:28.08 | turbobee | cool ^^ |
| 08:28.10 | turbobee | ok |
| 08:28.23 | SimonRaven | then you can go piant outside the lines once you know how to paint inside them ;) |
| 08:28.28 | SimonRaven | paint* |
| 08:28.34 | Acid`X | !porn |
| 08:28.34 | dpkg | porn is probably see pr0n |
| 08:28.39 | mhall | turbobee: it will give you a hunk of crap to read while you install and press enter |
| 08:28.44 | mhall | turbobee: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 08:28.51 | mhall | !factinfo porn |
| 08:28.52 | dpkg | porn -- created by Zxcvb <not_today@ilchtn58.one-eleven.net> at Thu May 3 10:58:56 2001 (1746 days); last modified at Tue Apr 22 05:13:00 2003 by mhall!~mhall@138.9.200.8; it has been requested 109 times, last by avu at Sat Nov 26 17:47:21 2005. |
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| 08:28.57 | mhall | Acid`X: :-D |
| 08:29.01 | turbobee | cool |
| 08:29.02 | turbobee | hehe |
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| 08:29.10 | Acid`X | mhall: yes! |
| 08:29.11 | Acid`X | xD |
| 08:29.22 | liable | bbq time! |
| 08:29.28 | mhall | Acid`X: so that shows you where i stand |
| 08:29.38 | Acid`X | mhall :-) |
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| 08:30.01 | mhall | Acid`X: dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=mhall&term=author |
| 08:30.07 | tarzeau | does anacron need a restart when i add a script to /etc/cron.daily`/ ? |
| 08:30.09 | mhall | Acid`X: this is the kind of no good i'm up to |
| 08:30.27 | mhall | liable: zOMGWTFBBQ!!!!!11111!!!!1111!!!111!!11!1 |
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| 08:31.04 | Acid`X | haha |
| 08:31.05 | Acid`X | xD |
| 08:31.12 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: isn't it like cron (where you don't have to, it'll re-read various dirs once a minute)? |
| 08:31.21 | mhall | Acid`X: you like? |
| 08:31.21 | turbobee | mhall, a little off subject but do you use an nvidia card? |
| 08:31.27 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: i have no idea, that's why i ask |
| 08:31.28 | mhall | turbobee: yes i do |
| 08:31.36 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: i've put a script to daily, and it didn't run yesterday |
| 08:31.36 | mhall | turbobee: we have gadgets for that too |
| 08:31.40 | turbobee | oo :) |
| 08:31.50 | mhall | turbobee: if you don't need 3D, X has an accelerated 2D nvidia driver |
| 08:32.04 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: was it set exec? |
| 08:32.06 | mhall | turbobee: when you need 3D then you can use some of our gadgets to build and install the driver |
| 08:32.10 | turbobee | I'm using a 6800 and one of hte reasons im switching is more support for Cedega |
| 08:32.25 | turbobee | and I think I missed something while installed nvidias driver |
| 08:32.27 | mhall | turbobee: yeah in that case you'll need 3D obviously |
| 08:32.36 | Acid`X | mhall: interesting |
| 08:32.43 | turbobee | because I don't seem to have dri opengl support but everything else works like hardware acceleration |
| 08:32.45 | Acid`X | >:) |
| 08:32.47 | mhall | Acid`X: that's how i roll |
| 08:32.51 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: it didn't have the #!/bin/sh line on top (actualyl this wasn't my problem) but i just solved the other guys one |
| 08:32.59 | mhall | turbobee: yeah we can hook you up |
| 08:33.07 | turbobee | sweet :) |
| 08:33.18 | Acid`X | turbobee: we pimp your ride! |
| 08:33.21 | mhall | turbobee: first off when you make the kernel you have to enable AGPGART for your mobo's north bridge |
| 08:33.27 | SimonRaven | it having a hash bang shouldn't matter |
| 08:33.34 | mhall | Acid`X: 800 geeks can't go wrong :-D |
| 08:33.41 | turbobee | I believe I did that, unless I picked the wrong one... |
| 08:34.00 | Acid`X | mhall: ehh, i count for 2 |
| 08:34.05 | mhall | Acid`X: of all the mothafuckers on earth, we're the mothafuckest |
| 08:34.11 | turbobee | but if i picked the wrong one then i probably wouldnt be using X right nw |
| 08:34.17 | Acid`X | hell yah |
| 08:34.27 | turbobee | yay image almost done dloading |
| 08:34.31 | mhall | turbobee: but 2D works without the GART driver |
| 08:34.41 | mhall | turbobee: so you wouldn't necessarily notice |
| 08:34.46 | turbobee | hm |
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| 08:34.57 | turbobee | does porn count as 3d? |
| 08:35.04 | Acid`X | mhall: u runing etch, sid? |
| 08:35.17 | Acid`X | turbobee: yes |
| 08:35.24 | turbobee | woohoo |
| 08:35.28 | turbobee | then i got it right :) |
| 08:35.30 | mhall | !tell turbobee about nvidia one-liner |
| 08:35.44 | mhall | turbobee: porn's not usually 3D |
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| 08:35.57 | Readon | fsck can't find libext2fs.so.2, and the disk is read only, how to solve that? |
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| 08:36.00 | turbobee | wow, one liner... |
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| 08:36.07 | mhall | turbobee: the way you check on 3D is glxinfo | grep endering |
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| 08:36.20 | turbobee | hm |
| 08:36.28 | Acid`X | i do that on my current debian box and will crash |
| 08:36.30 | Acid`X | haha |
| 08:36.41 | Acid`X | Trident 3D of 4MB |
| 08:36.42 | mhall | Acid`X: whiskey tango foxtrot |
| 08:36.45 | turbobee | during install would it be possible for me to switch to another terminal and hop on bitchx so i can talk here while its installing? |
| 08:36.52 | Acid`X | mhall: wth o.O |
| 08:36.53 | foo | x |
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| 08:37.07 | mhall | turbobee: i don't think the install tool comes with an irc client |
| 08:37.17 | mhall | turbobee: haven't you got a backup frankenbox? ;-) |
| 08:37.21 | Acid`X | turbobee: gentoo is the one that comes like that |
| 08:37.30 | turbobee | its in my corner, no room hehe |
| 08:37.42 | turbobee | well now that i think about it |
| 08:37.55 | turbobee | I can put the binary on the install drive |
| 08:37.58 | turbobee | anwork from there |
| 08:38.11 | Acid`X | s/have/has |
| 08:38.13 | mhall | turbobee: the basic install takes like 20 min anyways |
| 08:38.17 | turbobee | oh ok |
| 08:38.21 | turbobee | so no worries |
| 08:38.24 | turbobee | dload done |
| 08:38.26 | Acid`X | yeah |
| 08:38.29 | mhall | turbobee: then once it's done you can crank up irssi or bx |
| 08:38.41 | turbobee | cool |
| 08:38.43 | mhall | turbobee: just apt-get install the mothafucker |
| 08:38.51 | Acid`X | turbobee: and if something goes wrong, blame mhall |
| 08:39.00 | turbobee | cant wat to try this apt-get thing |
| 08:39.06 | Acid`X | >P |
| 08:39.08 | mhall | turbobee: we tend to like irssi best in #d but some people use bx too |
| 08:39.09 | turbobee | theres always two ways it seems to do the things i want to do |
| 08:39.12 | turbobee | the long way |
| 08:39.16 | turbobee | and then apt-get |
| 08:39.27 | turbobee | one of the reasons im here |
| 08:39.29 | turbobee | heh |
| 08:39.35 | mhall | turbobee: make that, the *wrong* way and apt-get :-) |
| 08:39.50 | turbobee | it was a good learning experienc i must say |
| 08:40.04 | mhall | turbobee: but as you can see #d is a good chan. just make sure to research first and then question |
| 08:40.12 | turbobee | *nod* |
| 08:40.14 | Acid`X | do i need smbd and nmbd to 'see' a windows network? |
| 08:40.18 | mhall | turbobee: my best friend is dpkg.vireo.org |
| 08:40.24 | turbobee | not google? |
| 08:40.26 | mhall | turbobee: you can google the bot factoids |
| 08:40.28 | turbobee | hehe |
| 08:40.37 | mhall | turbobee: the bot facts are debian specific |
| 08:40.43 | turbobee | i see |
| 08:40.47 | Readon | help!!fsck can't find libext2fs.so.2, and the disk is read only, how to solve that? |
| 08:40.52 | mhall | turbobee: so i keep that open in firefox to help people hunt stuff down |
| 08:41.01 | SlayerXP | Readon: what did you change? |
| 08:41.02 | mhall | Readon: knoppix |
| 08:41.13 | mhall | Readon: and what the hell happened |
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| 08:41.22 | mhall | SlayerXP: you want to do this one? |
| 08:41.28 | turbobee | out of curiousity, what do you guys normally do for cd/dvd burning? gui or command line? I've always used cdrecord command line |
| 08:41.39 | mhall | turbobee: it depends on the job |
| 08:41.44 | SlayerXP | mhall: I can try... |
| 08:41.51 | turbobee | i have yet to burn dvds in linux.. |
| 08:41.54 | mhall | turbobee: if i have to select 10 random stolen music files, then i go graphical |
| 08:42.12 | mhall | turbobee: if i want to burn a big fat dir full of crap lickedy split i use command line |
| 08:42.21 | turbobee | i see |
| 08:42.22 | mhall | turbobee: command line is also good for predictable crap like backups |
| 08:42.37 | Readon | i start it and it shows that. the latest time i start it was one month ago. |
| 08:43.14 | SlayerXP | Readon: your machine was working. then you did something, or something happened, and then you got this error. what happened in the middle? |
| 08:43.15 | Readon | knoppix can support SCSI? |
| 08:43.23 | mhall | SlayerXP: :-D |
| 08:43.32 | mhall | Readon: yeah it has drivers for $DEVICE |
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| 08:43.49 | mhall | Readon: try it and see if it does the job |
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| 08:43.56 | mhall | Readon: better than raping your linux install |
| 08:44.01 | Readon | SlayerXP, it happens when i start it. |
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| 08:44.31 | SlayerXP | Readon: no, read what I say. your system was working. it was then not working. something happened to change it from "working" to "not working". what was it? |
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| 08:44.51 | turbobee | glxinfo | grep endering |
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| 08:45.02 | turbobee | direct rendering: No |
| 08:45.04 | mhall | turbobee: hehe |
| 08:45.12 | mhall | turbobee: yeah, it's broken |
| 08:45.12 | Readon | i don't know some one else is using it also |
| 08:45.17 | turbobee | no agpgart or did i just not install it? :( |
| 08:45.34 | mhall | turbobee: hard to say whether it was the nvidia driver or the gart driver |
| 08:45.47 | mhall | turbobee: do you know if your mobo is VIA or AMD or Intel chipset? |
| 08:46.01 | turbobee | AMD64 3200+ |
| 08:46.07 | turbobee | er rather |
| 08:46.11 | turbobee | motherboard is... asus |
| 08:46.23 | mhall | turbobee: if you do, then later on when you make your kernel, go into menuconfig and add the right gart driver |
| 08:46.29 | turbobee | ok |
| 08:46.36 | mhall | turbobee: ok, so probably an nforce board? |
| 08:46.43 | Acid`X | how can i make nautilus to use smb:// protocol? |
| 08:46.45 | turbobee | did you say something about the northbriudge earlier? |
| 08:46.58 | turbobee | it says something at POST |
| 08:47.04 | turbobee | about the controllers |
| 08:47.10 | mhall | turbobee: yeah you have to have the gart driver to match the actual motherboard chipset |
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| 08:47.20 | turbobee | ok, and that would be the northbridge chipset? |
| 08:47.24 | mhall | turbobee: is the chipset an nvidia nforce, or amd, or via? |
| 08:47.34 | mhall | turbobee: the northbridge is one of the chips in the chipset |
| 08:47.46 | mhall | turbobee: it happens to be the one that talks to the graphics card |
| 08:48.05 | Acid`X | turbobee: what brand is your motherboard? |
| 08:48.14 | mhall | Acid`X: asus for amd64 |
| 08:48.31 | mhall | Acid`X: but doesn't asus make anything from amd to nvidia to via boards? |
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| 08:49.09 | turbobee | um |
| 08:49.13 | turbobee | k8v se delux |
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| 08:49.33 | turbobee | I'll look it up real quick |
| 08:49.54 | Acid`X | mhall: asus are runing nforce i think |
| 08:50.16 | Acid`X | asus had troubles with via chipset for amd64 |
| 08:50.33 | turbobee | soo does that mean theres even an apt-get for mplayer? :) |
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| 08:52.07 | Acid`X | turbobee: http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=235&l1=3&l2=14&l3=0 |
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| 08:52.12 | Acid`X | turbobee: that one? |
| 08:52.16 | plbgnr | hello, I upgraded version of gcc and now I can't compile kernel module quickcam (I hadn't problem with previous version), can anybody help? |
| 08:52.28 | llama32 | what's a relatively fast (generally not more than 2x slower than C) OO language with C interoperability? ocaml, C++, obj-c, Java, .NET already looked at |
| 08:52.34 | Readon | mhall, where can i find the support list of knoppix |
| 08:52.47 | mhall | plbgnr: you have to compile the kernel with the same version of gcc as the modules |
| 08:53.14 | mhall | plbgnr: you can change around the /usr/bin/gcc link if you have to but don't do anything dumb or incautios with it |
| 08:53.16 | resiak | llama32: What are you trying to do? |
| 08:53.31 | mhall | plbgnr: run file on it first, make sure you restore what it points at later |
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| 08:53.41 | turbobee | yes |
| 08:53.48 | mhall | llama32: alright what's the criteria |
| 08:54.03 | mhall | llama32: better look at Lua it has the best imaginable interoperability |
| 08:54.27 | Acid`X | mhall: VIA K8T800 |
| 08:54.29 | mhall | llama32: and while it's not strictly OO it's flexible and treadmill RT garbage collected |
| 08:54.36 | mhall | Laney: and lets you define everything on the fly |
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| 08:54.48 | turbobee | VIA k8T800 is the agpgart? |
| 08:54.53 | mhall | Readon: hmm hard to say, i'd try looking on their site with google site search |
| 08:54.55 | mhall | turbobee: almost |
| 08:54.59 | mhall | turbobee: it's VIA |
| 08:55.10 | mhall | turbobee: so in the gart driver list pick the VIA choice |
| 08:55.13 | plbgnr | mhall: thanks |
| 08:55.13 | turbobee | im gonna check my kernel config and see what im using now |
| 08:55.15 | turbobee | ok |
| 08:55.16 | turbobee | sweet |
| 08:56.15 | mhall | llama32: C# is a good choice |
| 08:56.41 | turbobee | looks like i got lazy and enabled all the modules |
| 08:56.48 | mhall | llama32: the linux devs have written a lot of cool hack tools to make procedural C-style libraries into well encapsulated object stuff |
| 08:56.56 | llama32 | mhall: well i want a high level language like Python but at C-ish speed (ie, compiled). ocaml seems perfect only way too complicated (spent an afternoon learning it and got nowhere productive, as opposed to Python, Oberon, lisp, ... which are much easier to understand). i'd use .NET though mono seems very very unstable (well monodevelop anyway) on my ubuntu system |
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| 08:57.05 | mhall | turbobee: yeah you might be better off using the debian generic kernel |
| 08:57.13 | mhall | turbobee: it's this idea taken to extremely |
| 08:57.20 | mhall | turbobee: they make everything modules |
| 08:57.22 | llama32 | mhall: its the hacks im trying to escape :) everything re-implemented everywhere |
| 08:57.22 | mhall | turbobee: lol |
| 08:57.31 | turbobee | kik' |
| 08:57.31 | turbobee | lol |
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| 08:57.43 | llama32 | mhall: and i want something with a largish library base (or ability to use C libs) |
| 08:57.54 | turbobee | I have amd64_agp loaded up... so wel'll see |
| 08:57.59 | turbobee | toi start off I will use generic kernel |
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| 08:58.03 | mhall | llama32: yeah i understand not wanting to give up all the libraries |
| 08:58.07 | turbobee | ok bbiab |
| 08:58.11 | mhall | llama32: i've been struggling with the same questions |
| 08:58.14 | turbobee | gonna boot up to the cd |
| 08:58.20 | turbobee | anything else i should know before venturing off? |
| 08:58.27 | timo | ls |
| 08:58.30 | llama32 | mhall: i hate the libs actually but well im familiar with C libs :) |
| 08:58.39 | mhall | turbobee: yeah sounds good |
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| 08:58.44 | Acid`X | turbobee: have fun installing and come back :D |
| 08:58.54 | turbobee | k, will do :) |
| 08:59.01 | mhall | turbobee: if you have a live cd handy that might be useful if you have to chat with us because something messes up |
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| 08:59.16 | turbobee | oh i do |
| 08:59.17 | turbobee | ^_^ |
| 08:59.22 | turbobee | alright bbiaf then |
| 08:59.25 | mhall | turbobee: but the install is simple and well tested, so i bet if you just install irssi when you are booted up it should come out fine |
| 08:59.35 | turbobee | *nod |
| 08:59.49 | mhall | users like turbobee are cool |
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| 09:00.02 | Acid`X | yep |
| 09:00.04 | mhall | he had a good attitude and like to listen and think and read stuff |
| 09:00.17 | Acid`X | users like Acid`X are annoyin sometimes :/ |
| 09:00.18 | mhall | i wish everybody were like him |
| 09:00.25 | mhall | then sunday could be a sabbath in #d |
| 09:00.37 | Acid`X | hehe |
| 09:00.41 | mhall | which is a funny request for an atheist hellraising mothafucker like mhall |
| 09:00.51 | Acid`X | haha |
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| 09:02.03 | mhall | abauer: hallo wie geht's |
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| 09:03.10 | Acid`X | mhall any idea about smb in gnome? |
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| 09:03.39 | mhall | Acid`X: how do you mean |
| 09:03.47 | mhall | Acid`X: and try irc gimp org #gnome |
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| 09:05.14 | Acid`X | mhall: im tryin to make smb work in gnome, with 'connect to server' or 'network servers' |
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| 09:05.58 | Acid`X | but says that theres no default action for that location |
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| 09:06.07 | mhall | hmm |
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| 09:08.50 | mhall | Acid`X: my apt-cache hacking indicated you might want libgnomevfs2-extra - GNOME virtual file-system (extra modules) |
| 09:09.19 | Acid`X | mhall: let me check |
| 09:09.40 | mhall | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.42 | mhall | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.42 | mhall | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.42 | mhall | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:10.39 | Acid`X | >< |
| 09:10.54 | Acid`X | mhall: u did that thru apt-cache? |
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| 09:11.29 | mhall | mhall@themhallbox:~$ apt-cache search gnome smb |
| 09:11.30 | mhall | firefox-gnome-support - Support for Gnome in Mozilla Firefox |
| 09:11.30 | mhall | foomatic-gui - GNOME interface for configuring the Foomatic printer filter system |
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| 09:11.33 | mhall | libgnomevfs2-extra - GNOME virtual file-system (extra modules) |
| 09:11.41 | mhall | apt-cache show libgnomevfs2-extra |
| 09:11.46 | mhall | ... |
| 09:11.53 | Acid`X | >< |
| 09:11.55 | mhall | * the smb module |
| 09:11.56 | mhall | ... |
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| 09:12.10 | mhall | what's >< |
| 09:12.21 | mhall | you use funny smileys Acid`X |
| 09:12.26 | Acid`X | hehe |
| 09:12.51 | Acid`X | mhall: its working now, Acid`X loves u |
| 09:12.55 | mhall | must be because you are from south america |
| 09:12.59 | Acid`X | =D |
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| 09:13.14 | ootput | would any of you guys happen to use folder-hooks in mutt which include different From: addresses depending on the maildir? |
| 09:13.18 | mhall | they don't use the same ones as USians like me |
| 09:13.24 | Acid`X | mhall: maybe, or maybe im vacationing in south america =P |
| 09:13.31 | mhall | Acid`X: lol i guess i'm approved of |
| 09:13.49 | Acid`X | mhall: haha >;D |
| 09:13.53 | mhall | Acid`X: i doubt that you'd vacation to venezuela |
| 09:14.10 | mhall | when you could go to brazil, smoke some chronic, and bang some bitches |
| 09:14.20 | Acid`X | haha |
| 09:14.29 | Acid`X | who said i can't do that here? ^^ |
| 09:14.46 | Acid`X | haha, well yah, i live here 6 month, the like 2 in us |
| 09:14.48 | mhall | i heard brazil had the highest quality and quantity of both of those |
| 09:14.52 | Acid`X | =) |
| 09:14.59 | Acid`X | yep |
| 09:15.13 | mhall | does brazil have the largest population |
| 09:15.16 | mhall | i think it does |
| 09:15.36 | Acid`X | from southamerica yeah |
| 09:15.41 | Acid`X | haha |
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| 09:20.32 | Acid`X | mhall: 0:) |
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| 09:24.05 | Acid`X | mhall: u know anything about debian issues with amd64? |
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| 09:24.58 | zvn | what's the recommended imap server these days? dovecot? |
| 09:25.20 | mhall | Acid`X: not that much i gave up and moved back to x86 because of openoffice |
| 09:25.45 | Acid`X | mhall: and with nforce? |
| 09:25.57 | mhall | there's a driver kit from nv |
| 09:26.06 | mhall | crashbg[work]: we don't speak bulgarian |
| 09:26.09 | mhall | !bulgarian |
| 09:26.10 | dpkg | [bulgarian] better than russian, or #debian-bg |
| 09:26.15 | Acid`X | works well in deb? |
| 09:26.23 | mhall | yeah i think so |
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| 09:26.33 | mhall | but i have a VIA board so i'm not sure |
| 09:26.39 | mhall | anyways time for bed |
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| 09:26.46 | zcram | setLocale(Locale.EN); |
| 09:26.50 | mhall | i am tired and must get up at 8:30 |
| 09:26.52 | Acid`X | cool |
| 09:27.00 | Acid`X | hehe |
| 09:27.08 | Acid`X | me around 3:00 |
| 09:27.10 | mhall | and it's 1:30 |
| 09:27.14 | mou | does imagemagick come with LZW support these days |
| 09:27.15 | mou | ? |
| 09:27.18 | Acid`X | uhh |
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| 09:27.21 | mhall | what time zone is venezuela in |
| 09:27.22 | Acid`X | 5:30 here |
| 09:27.26 | mou | for creating gifs |
| 09:27.31 | fooz | Acid`X, well your time zone is WRONG. |
| 09:27.33 | SlayerXP | mou: what does the imagemagick homepage say on the matter? |
| 09:27.33 | Acid`X | -4 |
| 09:27.35 | fooz | it's 1:30 and that's final. |
| 09:27.41 | mou | from debion/rules i presume it does |
| 09:27.48 | mhall | -8 here |
| 09:27.52 | fooz | hehe |
| 09:28.09 | Acid`X | 5:30am |
| 09:28.11 | Acid`X | =P |
| 09:28.15 | mou | -compress None and -compress LZW give the same size |
| 09:28.17 | mhall | fooz: wait until the royal observatory in greenwich finds out about you |
| 09:28.24 | Acid`X | lool |
| 09:29.04 | mhall | mou: probably need libungif installed |
| 09:29.14 | mhall | mou: then it must dlopen it to do the job |
| 09:29.27 | EdLin | mhall: they don't call it "mean" time for nothing |
| 09:29.29 | mhall | mou: try it and google around; i'm headed to bed so i can't help more |
| 09:29.35 | mhall | EdLin: damn right :-D |
| 09:29.49 | mhall | EdLin: there's not a damn thing nice about it |
| 09:29.58 | mhall | EdLin: all mean, all the time. mean time. :-D |
| 09:30.13 | Acid`X | mhall: ill prolly try with a livecd to check what modules are runing, then install etch and try runing the whole nforce and nv drivers |
| 09:30.38 | ootput | does rtorrent support download scheduling? I need to schedule downloads to start at midnight, and end at noon (off-peak) |
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| 09:30.54 | chbug | hi! I've updated xorg to 6.9, and I've several keyboard configuration issues (fr_CH mapping). Is this a known issue? (saw nothing in the bug reports after a casual check) |
| 09:31.01 | TurboBee | wow, I like this a lot |
| 09:31.08 | mhall | TurboBee: sweet |
| 09:31.12 | TurboBee | its like, amazing |
| 09:31.19 | Acid`X | TurboBee: welcome back :) |
| 09:31.21 | TurboBee | they werent kidding when they said they test things through |
| 09:31.30 | TurboBee | infact, it saw my raid setup and everything |
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| 09:31.39 | TurboBee | i didnt want to touch it though in fear of deleting my files |
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| 09:32.10 | Acid`X | TurboBee: booted 2.6 right? |
| 09:32.11 | mhall | TurboBee: hehe sweet |
| 09:32.14 | TurboBee | so I have one question before i get this all started, I have a raidtab config file with my old raidsetup information on it, alls I want to do it mount the home directory and copy over all the old files so i can do a clean install the the raid |
| 09:32.15 | TurboBee | yeah |
| 09:32.19 | Acid`X | nice |
| 09:32.35 | TurboBee | hm |
| 09:32.46 | mhall | i'm headed to bed but there should be some experts on RAID around tomorrow morning or so |
| 09:32.53 | TurboBee | oki |
| 09:32.58 | TurboBee | what uses raidtab |
| 09:33.03 | TurboBee | i can probably work from there |
| 09:33.06 | mhall | i wouldn't want to steer you wrong on RAID |
| 09:33.11 | mhall | maybe search the bot facts |
| 09:33.15 | Acid`X | mhall: gnite =) |
| 09:33.17 | ootput | also, anybody know why xterm's refresh of xft-fonts is much better than urxvts? |
| 09:33.17 | mhall | !my factoids |
| 09:33.18 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 09:33.19 | TurboBee | thanks fory our help :) |
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| 09:33.31 | TurboBee | !my raidtab |
| 09:33.32 | mhall | TurboBee: enjoy debian buddy |
| 09:33.36 | TurboBee | will do |
| 09:33.54 | Acid`X | mhall: and dont fall from bed xD |
| 09:34.01 | mhall | TurboBee: you can also message the bot with listvals <keyword> to search for facts with a word in em |
| 09:34.07 | TurboBee | ah cool |
| 09:34.15 | mhall | TurboBee: and listkeys <keyword> to search for facts with some word in their name |
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| 09:34.22 | mhall | TurboBee: and the bots hang out in #debian-bots |
| 09:34.31 | mhall | TurboBee: so you can go bullshit with em there |
| 09:34.34 | TurboBee | ah |
| 09:34.36 | TurboBee | cool |
| 09:34.41 | mhall | TurboBee: it's a good way to get useful info late at night like just now |
| 09:34.46 | mhall | !bloody sunday |
| 09:34.55 | Acid`X | haha |
| 09:34.58 | mhall | TurboBee: sunday is a hard day to get help because it's insane |
| 09:35.15 | mhall | TurboBee: lots of ubuntu users come here to tell us it's our job to fix their broken linux |
| 09:35.15 | TurboBee | i see |
| 09:35.18 | mhall | !based on debian |
| 09:35.18 | dpkg | somebody said based on debian was Sorry you're not running Debian, but something based off of it. If you're lucky you might get help in #debian, otherwise your best bet is to use the support channel for your chosen distro. If people tell you to go there, please don't argue/complain or demand support |
| 09:35.27 | TurboBee | why would they say that |
| 09:35.28 | mhall | !ubuntusmite ubuntu users |
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| 09:35.46 | TurboBee | er rather how is ubuntu related? |
| 09:35.52 | mhall | TurboBee: just telling you what ubuntu users are like |
| 09:36.05 | mhall | TurboBee: don't be like an ubuntu user and you'll be fine; it's a cautionary tale |
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| 09:36.12 | TurboBee | ah gotcha |
| 09:36.15 | mhall | TurboBee: kind of grim like a Grimm fairy tale :-) |
| 09:36.20 | Acid`X | lol @ ubuntu |
| 09:36.24 | SlayerXP | i am hungry |
| 09:36.39 | Acid`X | SlayerXP: apt-get install pizza |
| 09:36.40 | Acid`X | xD |
| 09:36.46 | TurboBee | hm, i think im hungry too, impressive after eating two carnesada |
| 09:36.51 | SlayerXP | I'm heating up some chilli |
| 09:36.56 | mhall | TurboBee: mmm mexican food |
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| 09:36.59 | TurboBee | ^_^ |
| 09:37.04 | mhall | TurboBee: i got arrested yesterday for being too drunk |
| 09:37.08 | TurboBee | gahh |
| 09:37.12 | TurboBee | no dui? |
| 09:37.16 | TurboBee | only gui right? :) |
| 09:37.18 | mhall | TurboBee: and then today i went to the mexican joint with my dad |
| 09:37.29 | mhall | TurboBee: lol i don't drive when drinking luckily |
| 09:37.33 | TurboBee | good |
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| 09:37.42 | mhall | i was just walking / stumbling around campus here hehe |
| 09:37.49 | TurboBee | good times then :) |
| 09:37.57 | mhall | but yeah it felt good to eat but it took time before i was ready for it |
| 09:38.10 | mhall | mexican food too soon after getting drunk is liable to kill you |
| 09:38.15 | mhall | or make you wish that it had |
| 09:38.35 | mhall | i swear i missed it when i had to move up to WA for a while |
| 09:38.35 | TurboBee | didnt know that, I'm usually happy to eat anything |
| 09:38.39 | mhall | no fuckin mexican food |
| 09:38.40 | TurboBee | when ive got the muncies |
| 09:38.51 | mhall | lol 420? |
| 09:38.52 | kurtak | Hello.. is there anything you can do (if you don't have a bootup disk b/c you're on a laptop) w/ grub to help get over kernel panics on booting? i get "cannot open root device hda6 or unknown block(0,0). Please append a correct root= boot option" |
| 09:38.57 | mhall | i can't do it cause of asthma |
| 09:39.19 | TurboBee | ah, i dont do it often, but no any kind of munchies are good |
| 09:39.21 | mhall | kurtak: i think e lets you edit the boot command line |
| 09:39.23 | mhall | !knoppix |
| 09:39.23 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 09:39.30 | TurboBee | mhall have you ever done it? |
| 09:39.30 | kurtak | mhall |
| 09:39.34 | kurtak | mhall: it does |
| 09:39.37 | Raimi | kurtak: yes, grub lets you edit the command line with e |
| 09:39.40 | mhall | TurboBee: can't; asthma |
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| 09:39.47 | TurboBee | mhall bake it in some brownies |
| 09:39.50 | TurboBee | that way you can experience it :P |
| 09:40.05 | mhall | TurboBee: lol i'll talk to my friend who can get it |
| 09:40.06 | TurboBee | ive never eaten ganja brownies but im told its wonderful |
| 09:40.14 | mhall | i think he can score some KGB |
| 09:40.22 | TurboBee | just dont do it too much, you'll turn into a lazy bastards |
| 09:40.31 | mhall | lol haha |
| 09:40.37 | Acid`X | it would be nice then |
| 09:40.46 | Acid`X | ;) |
| 09:40.51 | TurboBee | you'll end up using livecds insteado f a computer :P |
| 09:41.06 | mhall | as long as the work gets done who cares if they know how |
| 09:41.08 | mhall | hehehe |
| 09:41.19 | kurtak | Raimi: you're right, and i set the root device to hd(0,6) but that doesn't work. |
| 09:41.38 | mhall | if i stay home and do it in my underpants who's gonna know |
| 09:41.42 | Raimi | kurtak: nonono, grub finds your kernel well - you have to tell the kernel what fs to mount as / |
| 09:41.52 | Acid`X | mhall: the couch |
| 09:41.56 | Raimi | kurtak: append something like root=/dev/hda7 |
| 09:42.00 | kurtak | Raimi: okay, so root=/dev/hda6 |
| 09:42.02 | mhall | Acid`X: damn right |
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| 09:42.10 | Acid`X | mhall :-P |
| 09:42.11 | TurboBee | i must say, this thing detected A LOT of modules compared to whta i had on slackware |
| 09:42.15 | mhall | Acid`X: good to have you around as my smartass backup :-) |
| 09:42.18 | Raimi | kurtak: grub numbers partitions from 0 - the kernel from 1 |
| 09:42.20 | TurboBee | almost two pages worth |
| 09:42.24 | Raimi | kurtak: try hda7 |
| 09:42.26 | mhall | TurboBee: well for one debian kernels are huge |
| 09:42.37 | TurboBee | anything wrong with huge kernels? |
| 09:42.38 | mhall | TurboBee: like, basically every possible bell and whistle turned on |
| 09:42.38 | kurtak | Raimi; that's what it's at, the right root fs. i know it's hda6, at least was |
| 09:42.53 | mhall | TurboBee: that's why they use modules, so the part you don't want doesn't chew up ram |
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| 09:43.02 | mhall | TurboBee: it only chews up disk |
| 09:43.09 | TurboBee | pj |
| 09:43.09 | TurboBee | oh |
| 09:43.11 | TurboBee | badass |
| 09:43.17 | mhall | TurboBee: only thing to do is switch to optimized 686 kernel later when you have time |
| 09:43.25 | TurboBee | 686 kernel? |
| 09:43.28 | Raimi | kurtak: does your kernel contain fs code for your root fs ? |
| 09:43.28 | mhall | TurboBee: no hurry, only tiny bit quicker |
| 09:43.32 | TurboBee | better for amd64? |
| 09:43.41 | mhall | TurboBee: it uses some cpu tricks that old 386s did not have |
| 09:43.46 | TurboBee | ah |
| 09:43.47 | TurboBee | i see |
| 09:44.03 | TurboBee | what hte apt get for it? |
| 09:44.18 | Acid`X | TurboBee: or if u feel good, u can try recompiling the kernel with your needs |
| 09:44.23 | EdLin | !u |
| 09:44.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 09:44.33 | grupo32 | hola |
| 09:44.41 | grupo32 | q tal??? |
| 09:44.43 | Acid`X | !spanish |
| 09:44.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:44.50 | grupo32 | alguien de santander???? |
| 09:44.59 | grupo32 | holaa!! |
| 09:45.12 | TurboBee | i see |
| 09:45.15 | Acid`X | !tell grupo32 about spanish |
| 09:45.20 | grupo32 | yo tambien |
| 09:45.32 | grupo32 | i hate you |
| 09:45.36 | TurboBee | ? |
| 09:45.39 | grupo32 | i love you |
| 09:45.55 | TurboBee | grupo32 tu necesita #debian-es |
| 09:46.00 | TurboBee | lol |
| 09:46.03 | Acid`X | haha |
| 09:46.25 | grupo32 | you are gilipoyas |
| 09:46.30 | mhall | TurboBee: heh |
| 09:46.50 | EdLin | another satisfied customer |
| 09:46.58 | TurboBee | yep |
| 09:47.00 | TurboBee | i would say so |
| 09:47.03 | mhall | is he questioning our sexuality? |
| 09:47.18 | TurboBee | i think he meant /join #debian-es not /server #debian-es but whatever |
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| 09:49.07 | kurtak | Raimi: i'm not sure if it's got fs code |
| 09:49.10 | Acid`X | TurboBee: for the kernel, try apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 09:49.26 | Raimi | kurtak: what kind of kernel is that? your own? |
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| 09:49.47 | kurtak | Raimi: i compiled it, yes, because i needed some patches for my laptop |
| 09:49.47 | rambo3 | is debian going to change kernel-image to linux-image ? |
| 09:50.09 | Raimi | kurtak: ok, what kind of root-fs are you using? ext2, ext3? reiser? xfs ? |
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| 09:50.39 | kurtak | Raimi: i believe it's ext2 |
| 09:51.17 | Raimi | kurtak: you should know that for certain. and for ext2 you have to have "Second Extended Filesystem Support" enabled (one of the first in the list of fs) |
| 09:51.37 | Raimi | kurtak: i've seen people de-selecting this because they didnt catch ext2 == Second Extended FS |
| 09:52.20 | liable | how the hell do you get oo to play .doc sounds? |
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| 09:54.27 | liable | its a blonde joke, and i cant get the puchline :( |
| 09:54.44 | liable | apparently the best ever..! |
| 09:55.14 | Acid`X | TurboBee: or maybe it's linux-image, i'm not sure how is the kernel working atm |
| 09:55.20 | Acid`X | in deb |
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| 09:56.21 | ootput | liable: i've seen mention of the best ever blonde joke somewhere before |
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| 09:56.30 | ootput | liable: it was apparently censored |
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| 09:58.07 | liable | ootput: well, this one has a sound bit, but i am fucked if i can even find an option for sound in oo.. |
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| 09:58.26 | wdobco | hi |
| 09:58.48 | wdobco | after 4 hours downloading just 90.3 MB i'm back |
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| 09:59.15 | EruditeHermit | hey, I am root, and I can't change the permissions or delete this file |
| 09:59.18 | Anthro | I just tried to follow the directions for the 2006 key and got the following error: gpg: mpi too large for this implementation (39389 bits) |
| 09:59.20 | EruditeHermit | how is that possible? |
| 09:59.29 | liable | EruditeHermit: pwned? |
| 09:59.56 | EruditeHermit | liable: how? |
| 10:00.11 | wdobco | Any one who wish to help finishing the installation of my debian |
| 10:00.27 | ootput | EruditeHermit: did you turn off the computer without cleanly unmounting a partition? |
| 10:00.50 | EruditeHermit | yeah |
| 10:00.50 | liable | EruditeHermit: how would i know? |
| 10:00.59 | EruditeHermit | but not recently |
| 10:01.05 | EruditeHermit | it crashed before yes |
| 10:01.48 | Raimi | say, how do I "clone" a Debian installation - I want to install all packages on machine B I installed on A earlier |
| 10:01.58 | Raimi | (changing archs here) |
| 10:02.06 | ootput | EruditeHermit: did you specify checking filesystem integrity at boot in /etc/fstab? |
| 10:02.14 | ootput | EruditeHermit: it may be a remnant of that crash |
| 10:02.28 | EruditeHermit | ootput: how do I do that? |
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| 10:02.31 | wdobco | aprtimage? |
| 10:02.35 | wdobco | partimage |
| 10:02.48 | liable | !selections |
| 10:02.48 | dpkg | i guess ffs copy is run "dpkg --get-selections > foo.txt" on the source, copy foo.txt to the destination and run "dpkg --set-selections < foo.txt ; apt-get -u dselect-upgrade" on the destination. |
| 10:02.53 | liable | Raimi: ^^ |
| 10:02.58 | EruditeHermit | ootput: make a fsck file in / |
| 10:03.18 | TurboBee | bleh |
| 10:03.23 | TurboBee | oop[s |
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| 10:03.27 | Raimi | liable: i knew this would be a FAQ. thank's a bunch |
| 10:03.28 | Anthro | Raimi: ssh oldbox dpkg --get-selections | dpkg --set-selections && apt-get -u dselect-upgrade |
| 10:03.29 | TurboBee | bleh to myself, bbl :) |
| 10:03.34 | TurboBee | thanks for all your help guys |
| 10:03.41 | Raimi | Anders: dito |
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| 10:04.01 | chbug | still stuck with my keyboard problem with xorg 6.9... when I try to setxkbmap, it complains that it cannot load the map, and in the Xorg.log file there is a reference to a compiled xkb file that indeed does not exist. |
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| 10:05.42 | chbug | so, not only does Alt Gr behave as Alt_R, but my accented keys have simply no symbol associated to them (according to xev) |
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| 10:06.29 | wdobco | how to install a package in tar.gz format? |
| 10:06.47 | SlayerXP | wdobco: you don't. |
| 10:06.58 | liable | wdobco: you follow the instructions from its web site |
| 10:07.20 | st_ | How solve this problem: "... T=amavis defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host"?? |
| 10:07.27 | st_ | Exim4 |
| 10:07.31 | lunar | gawd, 800 ppls. |
| 10:07.37 | SlayerXP | st_: wait for the retry time to be reached. |
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| 10:07.51 | liable | were mostly bots.. :) |
| 10:07.55 | lunar | ya ;) |
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| 10:08.31 | FlopsyPete | I'm starting to learn how to setup a mail server and was coming to the inclusion of exim, fetchmail, spamassassin, clamav and one of courier/cyrus/dovecot IMAP; however the courier suite looks interesting in that it seems to cover everything, is it worth considering? |
| 10:08.35 | st_ | but all e-mail income.. and go to queue...? and not come to users.... |
| 10:08.41 | FlopsyPete | (conclusion, not inclusion) |
| 10:08.54 | cafuego | FlopsyPete: Do a google search for "ispmail sarge". |
| 10:09.29 | FlopsyPete | cafuego: ok |
| 10:10.11 | st_ | but all e-mail nabg in queue...? and not come to users.... |
| 10:10.12 | lunar | that reminds me... sarge is what, 3.1? yeah. does that make etch 3.2? |
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| 10:10.26 | bushwakko | is the java axis module included in default java jre? |
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| 10:10.39 | FlopsyPete | cafuego: this is only for sites with about 20 users, does the same advice apply? |
| 10:10.42 | cafuego | lunar: Maybe. Unless it's 4.0 |
| 10:10.52 | cafuego | FlopsyPete: flexibility is always nice :-) |
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| 10:11.09 | cafuego | FlopsyPete: I'd probably go postfix+amavis+courier |
| 10:11.09 | st_ | where and what I can read what I can solve this problem? |
| 10:11.32 | FlopsyPete | cafuego: I'll check that out too, thanks |
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| 10:13.44 | chbug | so does anybody know what is supposed to generate this compiled xkb maps? |
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| 10:16.03 | [R]ick-LT | anyone here get wifi-radar working with debian current version/kernel? |
| 10:18.03 | liable | wifi-radar? |
| 10:18.13 | [R]ick-LT | yep |
| 10:18.21 | [R]ick-LT | from bitbuilder.com |
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| 10:18.26 | liable | in debian repos? |
| 10:18.45 | resiak | !info wifi-radar |
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| 10:19.04 | resiak | !+info wifi-radar |
| 10:19.05 | [R]ick-LT | they have .deb package but debian didn't like it |
| 10:19.05 | dpkg | Package 'wifi-radar' does not exist. |
| 10:19.08 | liable | not in mine.. |
| 10:19.14 | ootput | do clones have navels (belly buttons?) |
| 10:19.18 | resiak | I believe it's in *buntu |
| 10:19.25 | [R]ick-LT | =/ |
| 10:19.55 | liable | whats it do anyway? sounds like kismet sort of thing? |
| 10:20.06 | sep | ootput, if they are cloes of humans with bellybuttons ... yes |
| 10:20.09 | lunar | ootput: depends on how they're grown. |
| 10:20.14 | resiak | !fgi liable wifi-radar |
| 10:20.14 | dpkg | liable: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=wifi-radar |
| 10:20.30 | [R]ick-LT | it's for wireless.. add/save profiles of wireless connections |
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| 10:20.33 | resiak | "WiFi Radar is a Python/PyGTK2 utility for managing WiFi profiles. |
| 10:20.34 | resiak | It enables you to scan for available networks and create profiles for your preferred networks." |
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| 10:22.10 | ootput | lunar: growth methods don't vary, do they? |
| 10:22.17 | _groove_ | Hi |
| 10:22.24 | ootput | lunar: unless they use a host of some sort |
| 10:22.27 | wdobco | please, some one help me. I need to get working the sound card |
| 10:22.46 | liable | !debian sound |
| 10:22.51 | liable | bah |
| 10:22.58 | [R]ick-LT | think I'll give kismet a try.. it works pretty good with debian I take it? |
| 10:22.58 | _groove_ | Someone had some troubles with gnome when updating testing 2 days ago ? |
| 10:23.08 | liable | probably |
| 10:23.22 | wdobco | 0000:00:00.0 Memory controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 005e (rev a3) |
| 10:23.22 | wdobco | 0000:00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0050 (rev a3) |
| 10:23.23 | wdobco | 0000:00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0052 (rev a2) |
| 10:23.23 | wdobco | 0000:00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 005a (rev a2) |
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| 10:23.30 | liable | [R]ick-LT: um, no kismet doesnt do that |
| 10:23.38 | _groove_ | the Menu Bar is missing in gnome after i updated testing 2 days ago |
| 10:24.16 | [R]ick-LT | liable, what would be something like wifi-radar that works with debian? |
| 10:24.24 | lunar | ootput: well... speaking from a conventional/non-sci-fi standpoint, you'd copy the DNA into a host egg, I s'pose, then grow it naturally. So it'd have a placenta. |
| 10:24.39 | liable | [R]ick-LT: i am sure you could get it to work on debian if you wanted it. |
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| 10:24.58 | wdobco | :( |
| 10:25.09 | liable | wdobco: dont paste here, read the /ropic |
| 10:25.15 | liable | topic too.. |
| 10:25.49 | wdobco | and where's that? |
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| 10:26.10 | resiak | !topic |
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| 10:26.30 | resiak | wdobco: Type /topic into your IRC client |
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| 10:27.15 | lunar | maybe someone tripped over its cord. |
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| 10:27.50 | ChrisW | anyone know of a good web-based ssh client? |
| 10:28.04 | ChrisW | (I guess that means it needs to be a java applet?) |
| 10:28.25 | wdobco | #flood |
| 10:28.32 | wdobco | what's that? |
| 10:28.35 | RichiH | a channel |
| 10:28.39 | liable | [R]ick-LT: waproamd and wpasupplicant can do mutiple wlans, but i dunno how far wifi-radar is in front of them. |
| 10:28.41 | wdobco | mmm |
| 10:28.54 | RichiH | generally, it's better to use paster, though |
| 10:29.27 | liable | howdy RichiH |
| 10:29.38 | RichiH | oi |
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| 10:32.21 | [R]ick-LT | liable, I'll give them a try.. having some problems with the newest wifi-radar trying and older version.. I seem to be getting some where with it.. if not I'll try the ones you mentioned |
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| 10:32.52 | RolandU | hi all! I forgot the name of the configuration file that tells the machine to use a proxy server.... |
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| 10:33.06 | tzafrir | tutos2 is a yucky package. remind me to file a bug report regarding a README.Debian for it |
| 10:33.40 | tzafrir | Anybody managed to get its "admin" panel working? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325354 |
| 10:33.47 | liable | tzafrir: dont forget to file a bug against tutos2 :) |
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| 10:34.48 | wdobco | hi nenita21 |
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| 10:35.33 | ChrisW | anyone heard of mindterm? |
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| 10:37.59 | RolandU | how do I set up apt (or even everything on the system) to use a proxy-server? |
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| 10:38.26 | jm_ | man apt.conf |
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| 10:40.28 | TinoW | hi |
| 10:40.38 | wdobco | some on who speak spanish here? the #debian-es people don't help so much |
| 10:41.00 | TinoW | wdobco: why not english language? |
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| 10:41.26 | wdobco | i'm not good with this |
| 10:41.34 | wdobco | i can wonder how to ask you: |
| 10:41.38 | TinoW | wdobco: good opportunity to learn it then :-) |
| 10:41.53 | wdobco | me pueden ayudar a configurar los dispositivos de mi board |
| 10:42.31 | liable | nein |
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| 10:42.44 | sparkx | hi everybody |
| 10:42.54 | TinoW | wdobco: babelfish translates it to: "they can help me to form the devices of my board" ;) |
| 10:43.10 | wdobco | i have no time, it's 5:44 and i need to finish with this right now becouse i have to go to study |
| 10:43.12 | RolandU | jm_, no it's not in there. I am not trying to set up the system to use a proxy server. At work I set it up to use one and now I am trying to remove that and don't remember where I set it. |
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| 10:43.26 | jm_ | RolandU: it is, read the file it points you at |
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| 10:43.40 | wdobco | that's not what i'm saying |
| 10:44.02 | wdobco | the translators really don't help so much with the spanish |
| 10:44.15 | TinoW | wdobco: having no time is the worsest thing if you have to ask questions. Maybe you should call a professional support? |
| 10:44.18 | jm_ | RolandU: it also honours http_proxy variable |
| 10:44.19 | lunar | My hovercraft is full of eels. |
| 10:44.37 | liable | !confuse lunar |
| 10:44.37 | dpkg | Yes, how are your hamster yesterday, lunar? lederhosen of the people's republic of belarus with extra cream |
| 10:44.47 | wdobco | something like: Any one who can help me to finish configuring the system board on debian? |
| 10:45.20 | TinoW | wdobco: what do you want to have when you "configured your board" ? |
| 10:45.34 | liable | which board? |
| 10:45.35 | wdobco | i need audio |
| 10:45.47 | wdobco | i need the othe ethernet device working |
| 10:45.52 | RolandU | jm_, what can I set $http_proxy to to turn it off? just nothing ""? |
| 10:45.57 | TinoW | wdobco: apt-get install hotplug (and a recent kernel) doesnt work out? |
| 10:45.59 | RvGaTe | i need some help regarding a samba configuration... tho the people at #samba are somehow silenced... |
| 10:46.10 | [R]ick | got 1.1 working.. weird |
| 10:46.11 | sep | !alsa one-liner |
| 10:46.11 | dpkg | methinks alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 10:46.22 | wdobco | no |
| 10:46.29 | liable | alsaconf isnt a seperate package.. |
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| 10:46.44 | liable | doh.. |
| 10:46.52 | wdobco | i already try alsa |
| 10:47.12 | |yang| | where is "percent" in xcalc? |
| 10:47.41 | wdobco | i'm running kernel 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic |
| 10:47.50 | TinoW | |yang|: [/] [1] [0] [0] [=] |
| 10:48.16 | TinoW | |yang|: and the like :) |
| 10:48.28 | |yang| | hmmm |
| 10:48.43 | jm_ | RolandU: unset it |
| 10:49.09 | sparkx | just a question i asked before... I'm trying to run btlaunchmany (bittorrent multi seeder/dowloader) as a daemon. Since it ouput everything to stdout, i wasn't able to use start-stop-daemon to start it and redirect its output to a file. I changed every call to print to a syslog call (it's written in python) in the source and configured syslog accordingly, is there a cleaner way to avoiding changing directly the source? |
| 10:49.30 | TinoW | |yang|: percentage is just a way to write decimal fractions |
| 10:49.30 | |yang| | TinoW: its not working properly |
| 10:49.46 | TinoW | |yang|: yes it is. You just do the math :-) |
| 10:49.51 | RolandU | jm_, thanks alot! it works now |
| 10:49.52 | |yang| | TinoW: i used to type 5000 x 20% = |
| 10:50.00 | RolandU | jm_, are variables permanent? |
| 10:50.04 | |yang| | TinoW: how do i do that ? |
| 10:50.05 | lunar | damn... I startx &, my cholesterol-free desktop starts up just fine. then I CTRL+ALT+F1 to a TTY1 console.... do some stuff... then go back to F7/X and it's hosed. like frozen. |
| 10:50.09 | TinoW | |yang|: easier: 5000 * 0.2 = |
| 10:50.20 | resiak | |yang|: 5000 × 20 / 100 |
| 10:50.33 | jm_ | RolandU: permanent how? |
| 10:50.42 | TinoW | |yang|: or like I said before (and resiak) |
| 10:50.45 | |yang| | 5000 x (20 / 100) |
| 10:51.00 | TinoW | |yang|: back to school I'd say ;) |
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| 10:51.21 | resiak | |yang|: × and ÷ are associative, so the brackets are redundant |
| 10:51.37 | RolandU | jm_, still existing after reboot |
| 10:51.53 | bbrazil | ootput: yip, check http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~bbrazil/matrix/mutt/conf/mailboxes_and_lists |
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| 10:52.06 | jm_ | RolandU: well no, they're read from some startup file and set, so it's most likely you'll have it set again |
| 10:52.22 | |yang| | funny that it doesnt have percentage, every simple real calculator has it |
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| 10:52.35 | wdobco | http://gpsis.utp.edu.co/~wdobco/lspciresult.txt |
| 10:54.11 | wdobco | i have Athlon 64bits processor over MSI K8N Neo3 MS-7135 |
| 10:55.28 | wdobco | and EVGA with NVIDIA FX5500 chipset |
| 10:55.36 | wdobco | i need drivers for this thing |
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| 10:56.14 | TinoW | wdobco: which kernel? |
| 10:56.19 | wdobco | the manual of the K8N say's it have NFORCE4 chipset's |
| 10:56.38 | wdobco | kernel 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic |
| 10:56.45 | TinoW | |yang|: sorry, but only stupids calculators have percentage button ;) |
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| 10:57.12 | TinoW | |yang|: scientific calculators often dont have such a thing :) |
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| 10:57.44 | jm_ | wdobco: try a newer kernel |
| 10:57.45 | wdobco | i already check around google, but don't see anithing real |
| 10:57.48 | wdobco | anything |
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| 10:58.06 | jm_ | and make sure to run update-pciids |
| 10:58.08 | wdobco | it's supossed that i have the last one |
| 10:58.20 | jm_ | the latest kernel is 2.6.15, impossible |
| 10:58.22 | liable | is there a newer 64 one? |
| 10:58.25 | wdobco | mmm |
| 10:58.33 | |yang| | TinoW: well you are wrong about that...we used to do math in school with percentage function, so my school calculator has it on the = button, but you need to "shift" the function |
| 10:58.39 | wdobco | over 64? |
| 10:59.05 | jm_ | #debian-amd64 would know I guess |
| 10:59.06 | wdobco | and where i get it? |
| 10:59.13 | wdobco | k |
| 10:59.51 | liable | wdobco: you can always run 32bit debian. |
| 11:00.01 | jm_ | for nvidia you just need nvidia's drivers, kernel doesn't matter much |
| 11:00.19 | jm_ | ohh it does, you'll need AGP driver for it |
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| 11:00.39 | jm_ | I never bothered with 64bit, I use 32bit on similar setup |
| 11:01.14 | wdobco | but the real problem for me is that i really want to work this 64 stuff |
| 11:01.31 | liable | wdobco: so ask in the 64 bit channel. |
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| 11:03.02 | moi | hello, how can i change the default audio application in gnome? |
| 11:03.11 | moi | at the moment it's rythmbox, but i want xmms |
| 11:03.30 | azeem | moi: right click on an audio file, -> "Open with..." I thin |
| 11:03.32 | azeem | k |
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| 11:07.06 | moi | azeem, i've a extended keyboard with some media buttons and stuff. so i if i click on media it opens up rythmbox.. i can change the default apps for mail browser and termnial, but nowhere something about the default music palyer :( |
| 11:07.28 | azeem | that is something different then |
| 11:07.42 | resiak | moi: Let me dig out the doc I found for this |
| 11:07.54 | moi | nice, thanks |
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| 11:08.48 | resiak | moi: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27039 # Ubuntu-themed, but comparatively generic |
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| 11:10.18 | Nigromante | Hello, I'm looking for some person who can display help topics in gnome (debian testing). Thanks |
| 11:10.46 | azeem | do you want to imply that you cannot? |
| 11:10.57 | Nigromante | Right |
| 11:11.07 | TinoW | |yang|: not a good school then :( |
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| 11:11.39 | Nigromante | I'm referring to gnome help option, just above "About Gnome". |
| 11:11.56 | Nigromante | (desktop menu) |
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| 11:13.51 | wdobco | i need to compile a new kernel from kernel.org it's 2.6.15.4 |
| 11:14.08 | EdLin | !wayc wdobco |
| 11:14.08 | dpkg | wdobco: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 11:14.23 | wdobco | but i really don't know how to do that :(( |
| 11:14.29 | jm_ | then don't do it |
| 11:14.44 | wdobco | becouse is on gz |
| 11:14.56 | azeem | gz? |
| 11:15.06 | TinoW | wdobco: and just using apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15 does not work? |
| 11:15.09 | wdobco | yes .gz2 |
| 11:15.09 | EdLin | gzipped tarball probably |
| 11:15.15 | wdobco | aha |
| 11:15.15 | liable | wdobco: there are lots of docs on compiling kernels on the net. read some.. |
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| 11:15.44 | wdobco | :( shit, why this fuckin shit has to be so hard!!! |
| 11:15.51 | azeem | wdobco: please chill |
| 11:15.53 | jm_ | bwahaha |
| 11:15.54 | wrzask | Hi guys. Is there a possibility of getting backported udev packages for debian-sarge? |
| 11:15.57 | _groove_ | Nigromante: I lost the complete gnome menu after the update from 2.10 to 2.12 in testing |
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| 11:16.07 | hett | i'm using debian testing, i have a problem with snmpd, installed snmp and snmpd via apt-get and started /etc/init.d/snmpd but snmpd daemon dies in a few minutes. made it to log to a file and it prints nothing there when it dies. any idea? |
| 11:16.10 | azeem | wdobco: you have not explained why you need a new kernel at all |
| 11:16.19 | streuner | !be jetscreamer barbie |
| 11:16.20 | dpkg | It's HARD to say nothing! |
| 11:16.24 | liable | erm, nforce4 for 64? |
| 11:16.29 | wdobco | becouse the of my board |
| 11:16.44 | azeem | wdobco: what kind of board? |
| 11:16.55 | jm_ | hett: snmpd has -D switch, try using it |
| 11:17.04 | TinoW | azeem: some blackboard .-) |
| 11:17.07 | hett | I will do that now:) |
| 11:17.19 | azeem | TinoW: eh? |
| 11:17.26 | wdobco | MSI K8N Neo3 MS-7135 |
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| 11:17.38 | jita | priyank! |
| 11:17.55 | wdobco | Chipset nVIDIA nForce4-4X |
| 11:18.11 | wdobco | Socket-754 |
| 11:18.44 | priyank | jita ! |
| 11:18.45 | wdobco | please take a look to http://gpsis.utp.edu.co/~wdobco/lspciresult.txt |
| 11:18.45 | Coweater | what isn't supported that you need a newer kernel for? |
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| 11:19.01 | hett | wdobco, you could use pastebin.com :-) |
| 11:19.07 | wdobco | it's seems for me that almost everything |
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| 11:19.27 | wdobco | what's pastebin.com??? |
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| 11:19.42 | azeem | wdobco: did you run update-pciid? |
| 11:19.50 | wdobco | ops, no wait |
| 11:20.05 | azeem | update-pciids even |
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| 11:20.26 | wdobco | :D |
| 11:20.41 | wdobco | well that seem's to work |
| 11:21.50 | hett | jm_, http://pastebin.com/552414 that's the last lines snmpd prints to the log and dies. |
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| 11:22.41 | wdobco | now take a look to http://gpsis.utp.edu.co/~wdobco/lspciresult.txt |
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| 11:23.05 | jm_ | hett: I can't help you much, I'm on Sarge, and it works fine for me |
| 11:23.13 | hett | damn ;-) |
| 11:23.34 | tijn | anyone knows the superkaramba theme GlassBarMini? |
| 11:24.42 | jm_ | hett: but that looks rather useless, tried stracing it? |
| 11:24.55 | hett | will do it now:) |
| 11:25.35 | jm_ | don't forget to check the BTS |
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| 11:26.03 | moi | resiak, thanks dude, that worked perfect!!! |
| 11:26.15 | djrama | hi |
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| 11:26.46 | djrama | kernel compiling segmentation fault, could be bad ram or bad ram timing?? |
| 11:26.57 | resiak | moi: Awesome. Glad to help |
| 11:27.29 | tijn | ow wait, i mean programbar |
| 11:27.33 | djrama | i'm a bit frustrated with kernel compiling 2.6.15.4 |
| 11:27.40 | ootput | bbrazil: cheers mate, just saw your mutt setup |
| 11:27.52 | wdobco | i found drivers for the graphics card |
| 11:28.30 | ootput | any of you using rme digi sound cards? |
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| 11:29.44 | streuner | !resiak++ |
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| 11:29.51 | resiak | streuner: ? |
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| 11:30.01 | streuner | !karma resiak |
| 11:30.01 | dpkg | resiak has karma of 3 |
| 11:30.09 | resiak | streuner: Why? |
| 11:30.16 | streuner | why not? |
| 11:30.22 | wakeman | does it exist a filesystem which ignores all writes to files contained? a kindo of /dev/null extended to be a filesystem |
| 11:30.35 | resiak | streuner: Fair enough! |
| 11:30.48 | streuner | resiak: it doesn't hurd (TM) ;-) |
| 11:30.56 | hett | wakeman, can't you just mount it read only |
| 11:31.00 | resiak | streuner: :-) |
| 11:31.00 | bushwakko | getting a lot of these errors: |
| 11:31.00 | bushwakko | E: contextmanager: dir-or-file-in-opt opt/contextmanager/ |
| 11:31.01 | bushwakko | E: contextmanager: dir-or-file-in-opt opt/contextmanager/lib/ |
| 11:31.01 | bushwakko | E: contextmanager: dir-or-file-in-opt opt/contextmanager/lib/axis-ant.jar |
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| 11:31.08 | bushwakko | sorry |
| 11:31.17 | wakeman | hett: no, there are programs writing to it |
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| 11:32.05 | hett | what exactly do you want then |
| 11:32.27 | hett | jm_, BTS? |
| 11:32.37 | resiak | !btssmite hett |
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| 11:32.57 | hett | i'm running testig ;-) |
| 11:33.16 | resiak | hett: So no chainsaw |
| 11:33.18 | jita | hmm, which version should i get. i am new to debian? |
| 11:33.24 | resiak | Sarge |
| 11:33.33 | jita | resiak: the minimal boot cd? |
| 11:33.45 | resiak | jita: Yeah, if you have a reasonably fast internet connection |
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| 11:35.47 | TBBle | bushwakko: Errors noted. |
| 11:35.57 | resiak | !tell wdobco -about away |
| 11:35.58 | jita | resiak: where can i find the contents of 3.1r1a iso ? |
| 11:36.13 | jita | resiak: i want to check the packages' versions |
| 11:36.14 | streuner | !listkeys contents |
| 11:36.16 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'contents' by key (3): _default cd contents ;; #debian cd contents ;; cd contents. |
| 11:36.29 | resiak | jita: pdo.debian.org, or maybe /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 11:36.30 | wdobco | sorry |
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| 11:36.42 | wdobco | i'm new to this |
| 11:36.51 | AciD | is rox-filer 2.2.0-xfld.2 working for you ? |
| 11:36.58 | resiak | !tell AciD -about polls |
| 11:37.35 | tombs | hi all |
| 11:37.43 | AciD | it's not *exactly* a poll though |
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| 11:38.25 | TBBle | AciD: More of a general request for yes/no answers from the current populace of #debian? |
| 11:39.19 | AciD | yep, that package is not working for me since few months now, and the strace isn't helping. was wondering if it come only from my comp.. |
| 11:39.36 | TBBle | Hmm. That kinda seems to fit neatly the use of the word 'poll'... |
| 11:39.53 | TBBle | I'd btssmite you, but... Ah, the heck with it. |
| 11:39.58 | TBBle | !btssmite AciD |
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| 11:40.28 | TBBle | I'm sure there's a 'not working' factoid too, but I don't think I'll start guessing bot commands just yet. |
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| 11:41.45 | AciD | nm |
| 11:42.21 | TermaKill | hello,does anyone know how to set the monitor resolution from openfirmware? |
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| 11:44.18 | TBBle | There's a much better format for asking questions... It's something like "I'm trying to run rox-filer, and for ages it's been doing *unexpectedthing* where in fact I was kinda expecting it to do *expectedthing*. The BTS is silent upon the issue, and I'm not sure if I'm facing a misconfiguration, interference from another package or unnoticed bug in package. Purging and reinstalling didn't help either, and I've an strace that doesn't shed any light on thing |
| 11:44.28 | TBBle | Hmm. Longer than I intended |
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| 11:48.19 | wdobco | i don't know how to do what you ask |
| 11:49.52 | zach | what line do i change in /etc/apt/sources.list to make java-package download |
| 11:50.17 | Nigromante | hello, |
| 11:50.22 | zach | hi. |
| 11:50.29 | Maulkin | TBBle: "doesn't work" IIRC. |
| 11:50.50 | Nigromante | Can anyone help me with debian testing's Help program? |
| 11:50.50 | wdobco | hola nigromante |
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| 11:50.55 | Nigromante | hola |
| 11:51.04 | RolandU | what's that "appletalk services"-thing that always comes up during boot? |
| 11:51.08 | wdobco | habla español? |
| 11:51.12 | Nigromante | yes |
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| 11:51.22 | Maulkin | !tell zach about java-package |
| 11:51.23 | wdobco | entonces se dice si |
| 11:51.29 | EdLin | !es |
| 11:51.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:51.34 | zach | thanks |
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| 11:51.37 | Nigromante | ...^^ :-) |
| 11:51.39 | hett | guys ;-) |
| 11:51.49 | hett | i've replaced my /dev/null by an ordinary file |
| 11:51.51 | Maulkin | Nigromante: Depends what the problem is. |
| 11:51.59 | wdobco | don't be so heavy, bye bye |
| 11:52.01 | hett | how do i make it again? |
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| 11:52.12 | piotrlg | Any video makers here? Is it possible to make cinelerra cv working on debian/testing? Stable nad responsive? I have tried, but failed. |
| 11:52.14 | unlearn | hello how can i unrar a folder in debian? |
| 11:52.14 | Nigromante | Maulkin, do you get contents in "Help" option in gnome ? |
| 11:52.16 | Maulkin | RolandU: Appletalk is a networking protocol |
| 11:52.17 | EdLin | hett: cd /dev ; sh ./MAKEDEV null |
| 11:52.29 | Nigromante | in desktop menu |
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| 11:52.36 | TermaKill | i seen that same question today on the powerpc list |
| 11:52.46 | EdLin | !folder |
| 11:52.46 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 11:53.01 | unlearn | file i meant |
| 11:53.15 | unlearn | directory |
| 11:53.27 | RolandU | Maulkin, but if there is no apple in the house, I won't need it? |
| 11:53.35 | Maulkin | Nigromante: yes |
| 11:53.42 | zach | does anyone know where i can get libz-dev or zlib1g-dev |
| 11:53.47 | Nigromante | What 's the title ?? |
| 11:53.53 | Nigromante | (I get blank contents) |
| 11:53.57 | hett | EdLin, i won't make it :( |
| 11:54.02 | Maulkin | RolandU: Probably, yes |
| 11:54.28 | EdLin | hett: what is the error message? |
| 11:54.38 | hett | no error message |
| 11:54.44 | TermaKill | are you root? |
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| 11:54.46 | Maulkin | zach: apt-get install zlib1g-dev |
| 11:54.50 | EdLin | hett: then it probably worked. ls -l to check |
| 11:55.04 | Nigromante | Is the title "GNOME 2.8 Desktop User Guide" ? |
| 11:55.07 | hett | i've checked, no /dev/null |
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| 11:55.34 | EdLin | hett: are you running udev? |
| 11:55.48 | hett | yes |
| 11:55.55 | Maulkin | Nigromante: No. "Help Toics" |
| 11:56.04 | EdLin | hett: then you need to get udev to re-add it to /dev |
| 11:56.13 | zach | maulkin, from the disk 3 iso? |
| 11:56.22 | hett | how?:) |
| 11:56.28 | zach | ive had some trouble unpacking it |
| 11:56.34 | EdLin | hett: I don't know. Maybe google knows |
| 11:56.34 | Nigromante | can you tell me a excerpt of it? some entries? |
| 11:56.43 | Nigromante | (2 or 3) |
| 11:56.44 | Maulkin | zach: Erm... I'm not sure, I use a net install. |
| 11:56.51 | Maulkin | zach: What problem are you gaving? |
| 11:56.54 | Maulkin | *having |
| 11:57.33 | bushwakko | I have a problem here: E: contextmanager: dir-or-file-in-opt opt/contextmanager/ |
| 11:57.45 | bushwakko | whate is the usual install dirs for java apps? |
| 11:57.53 | Maulkin | Nigromante: No, I'm not runnign gnome 2.8 |
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| 11:57.56 | Maulkin | Nigromante: http://www.gnome.org/learn/users-guide/2.8/ |
| 11:57.56 | shai | Hi :) |
| 11:57.59 | bushwakko | I'm having a hard time finding out anything about it |
| 11:58.27 | Maulkin | bushwakko: Have a look at the java policy. |
| 11:58.52 | bushwakko | sounds like what I'm looking for |
| 11:58.54 | Maulkin | bushwakko: www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/java-policy/ |
| 11:59.03 | bushwakko | where is this, java policy, you talk about |
| 11:59.03 | bushwakko | ahh |
| 11:59.07 | shai | I wanted to know if there is a way to make it so when I create a new user and open KDE 3.5 that new user will already have on the "shortcut bar" icons for firefox/thunderbird and knosole |
| 11:59.07 | Maulkin | bushwakko: You're prolly better off asking in #debian-mentos too |
| 11:59.15 | Maulkin | bushwakko: #debian-mentors evemn |
| 12:00.10 | Maulkin | shai: Where's the configuration stored for those items? If it's in a user's home directory, you can add it to /etc/skel |
| 12:01.01 | shai | Maulkin, but i don't know in what file the settings for those icons are saved it. |
| 12:01.04 | shai | How can I check? |
| 12:01.06 | zach | maulkin, how do i direct it to netinstall? |
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| 12:01.39 | Maulkin | zach: run apt-setup |
| 12:01.44 | pengol | hi there ... how do I change the name of a package in the building phase? |
| 12:01.58 | Maulkin | shai: Habe a look round in your hiome directory? Sorry, I use gnome |
| 12:02.03 | zach | is that ftp or http |
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| 12:02.16 | Maulkin | zach: Can be either |
| 12:02.17 | kurtak | Raimi: Still around? I'm sorry, i got really distracted at work. |
| 12:02.24 | Maulkin | pengol: ? |
| 12:02.34 | Maulkin | pengol: You're better off in #debian-mentors |
| 12:02.42 | pengol | Maulkin: thankz _= |
| 12:02.46 | shai | Maulkin, ok .. thanks :) |
| 12:02.47 | Raimi | kurtak: tell me about it :) |
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| 12:03.19 | DeadlyNinja | dpkg-deb seems to be deadlocking |
| 12:03.22 | zach | thanks Maulkin |
| 12:03.33 | zach | disk 3 was playing up, very cheap disk |
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| 12:04.15 | Raimi | kurtak: just mention my name so that my client hilights what you want from me |
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| 12:05.08 | eckberci | hello |
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| 12:05.42 | hett | erm /etc/init.d/udev stop|start fixed it |
| 12:06.06 | eckberci | hellloo |
| 12:06.12 | kurtak | Raimi: I used to have an initrd option, but when i go to edit the grub item, i don't see the initrd- could that cause a kernel panic? |
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| 12:07.53 | DeadlyNinja | dpkg-deb --build debian/heroes3 just locks and does nothing |
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| 12:08.09 | DeadlyNinja | it doesnt error it just sits there and no CPU is being used |
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| 12:09.01 | DeadlyNinja | anyone know a reason why this might be happening? |
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| 12:12.39 | Maulkin | DeadlyNinja: Can you strace it? |
| 12:12.54 | DeadlyNinja | Maulkin, dunno what strace is |
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| 12:13.17 | Maulkin | DeadlyNinja: ok, run "strace dpkg-deb --build debian/heroes3" |
| 12:13.24 | DeadlyNinja | apt-getting it |
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| 12:13.36 | Raimi | kurtak: in grub you edit one line at a time |
| 12:13.42 | Maulkin | Then pastebin the result :) |
| 12:13.44 | Raimi | kurtak: yes, a missing initrd might be a problem |
| 12:14.09 | Raimi | kurtak: can you show us your menu.lst ? |
| 12:15.01 | kurtak | Raimi: can i do that if i can't boot? |
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| 12:15.01 | ragna | hello people, if i am on debian testing and i wanna go to unstable but retaining the xorg 6.8 when i go to unstable and upadte will packages complete there depedencies caus eof xorg 6.9?? |
| 12:15.01 | Raimi | kurtak: if you have access to the filesystem: yes :) |
| 12:15.02 | Raimi | kurtak: if you boot a live-cd perhaps |
| 12:15.02 | kurtak | Raimi: i.e. can i mount the drive and work w/ it w/ the grub shell? |
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| 12:15.03 | Raimi | sure |
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| 12:15.10 | kurtak | Raimi: right, i just thought of that; that i should get a bootable cd |
| 12:15.13 | saloxin | kurtak: do you still have a grub boot prompt? if so you can add the initrd option |
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| 12:16.03 | kurtak | saloxin: yes, but i dont remember the name of the initrd file, b/c there were some patches made to the kernel, so the name is really weird |
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| 12:16.11 | UziMaster | Hi guys |
| 12:16.12 | kurtak | in order to match the kernel somewhat |
| 12:16.15 | saloxin | kurtak: grub has tab completion! |
| 12:16.25 | kurtak | saloxin: oh! |
| 12:16.33 | UziMaster | How can I make debian show my terminal colored text? |
| 12:16.49 | saloxin | it can read the filesystem - so initrd=/boot/initrd<tab> shoudl be a good start |
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| 12:17.00 | DeadlyNinja | Maulkin, i think it might be related to error beeps trying to use my soundcard, im getting /dev/dsp errors now (messing up my output) |
| 12:17.04 | kurtak | hey saloxin: Thanks man!! it booted~ |
| 12:17.10 | saloxin | yay! |
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| 12:17.23 | korozion | exim keeps talking about the initial config upon install of the package. How can I re-run that? |
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| 12:17.54 | UziMaster | i access my debian box thru ssh terminal, got colored text if i login as my name, but only white text after became super user |
| 12:17.59 | Maulkin | korozion: dpkg-reconfigure exim-config or exim4-config |
| 12:18.01 | kurtak | Raimi: Thanks too! the missing initrd was the problem. i think what happened is that menu.lst got changed when i removed older kernels w/ dselect |
| 12:18.03 | UziMaster | i like the colored text |
| 12:18.13 | kurtak | Raimi: and the initrd line was taken out |
| 12:18.30 | Raimi | kurtak: yeah, that will happen to me, too |
| 12:18.32 | Zugschlus | UziMaster: so don't work as root, voila. |
| 12:18.35 | saloxin | UziMaster: see ~/.bashrc for both users |
| 12:18.38 | Maulkin | UziMaster: echo "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" >> /root/.bashrc |
| 12:19.03 | UziMaster | OK thanks, i'm gonna try now |
| 12:19.15 | Maulkin | UziMaster: And really consider not workign as root. Have a look at sudo or really instead. |
| 12:19.46 | korozion | Maulkin cool, thanks |
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| 12:19.51 | UziMaster | Maulkin: yes, i'm not frequently working as root, just a few times |
| 12:20.05 | Maulkin | UziMaster: :) |
| 12:20.20 | Maulkin | Being root == bad, mmkay? |
| 12:20.20 | mike_ | heeeelp lol, im stuck at the install packages screen in the setup of debian testing (netinstall cd) |
| 12:20.36 | UziMaster | Maulkin: debian has sudo? thought it doesnt exist in debian |
| 12:20.36 | DeadlyNinja | Maulkin, it seems that it was libsoftbeep breaking things inside dpkg-dev (the LD_PRELOAD was doing something evil) |
| 12:20.41 | mike_ | locales: Confilcts:base-config but 2.73 is installed. |
| 12:20.46 | Maulkin | I recently remembered why to double check every thing you type as root, as I removed 200 user's home directories. |
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| 12:20.50 | mike_ | what can i do? |
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| 12:21.10 | Maulkin | UziMaster: Erm... Debian has almost everything :) |
| 12:21.24 | muszek | hi |
| 12:21.29 | TBBle | mike_: Read the description of base-config. I think you can remove it... It was one of those base-* packages that isn't in unstable anymore. |
| 12:21.55 | UziMaster | Maulkin: i typed sudo just a sec ago, "file not found" |
| 12:21.55 | Maulkin | UziMaster: apt-get install sudo |
| 12:22.00 | muszek | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8591 - could someone please take a look at it? I'm starting to panic that I will lose a lot of important data :( |
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| 12:22.03 | UziMaster | Maulkin: haha, ya right |
| 12:22.04 | UziMaster | Silly :D |
| 12:22.23 | TBBle | muszek: This is gonna seem like a silly question, but why the Ubuntu pastebot? |
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| 12:23.21 | petemc | that is indeed a silly question |
| 12:23.24 | muszek | TBBle: didn't seem the need to re-post it to another pastebin... why increasing amount of trash? |
| 12:23.30 | saloxin | muszek: bad disk? you have backups of course? |
| 12:23.33 | mike_ | how do you deselect packages in the aptitue window thingy |
| 12:23.38 | mike_ | god damn it |
| 12:23.40 | UziMaster | Maulkin: if I install sudo using my account, will it be available to other users as well? |
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| 12:23.52 | Maulkin | UziMaster: You can only install it as root |
| 12:23.55 | TBBle | muszek: So you pasted it into the Ubuntu paste bot because... you're running Ubuntu? |
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| 12:24.03 | Maulkin | UziMaster: then read man sudoers |
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| 12:24.30 | muszek | TBBle: but Ubuntu is essentially Debian, right? |
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| 12:24.30 | scx | *Aloha! |
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| 12:24.37 | Maulkin | muszek: No. |
| 12:24.37 | zach | hey maulkin |
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| 12:24.42 | zach | after apt-setup |
| 12:24.44 | TBBle | muszek: Bing bing bing, we have a winner! |
| 12:24.44 | UziMaster | Maulkin: but.. i just installed sudo with my normal user |
| 12:24.45 | muszek | saloxin: some of it, yes, not everything though |
| 12:24.47 | zach | what command to install |
| 12:24.56 | zach | all the packages marked, or whatever |
| 12:24.56 | TBBle | !tell muszek about notdebian |
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| 12:25.09 | saloxin | muszek: you can try another kernel or fiddle with kernel options, but i believe that disk is dying |
| 12:25.11 | Maulkin | muszek: 1) Your hard drive is broken. Backup and replace. 2) Debian is not Ubuntu, Ubuntu is not debian. Please raise your queries in #ubuntu, not here |
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| 12:25.23 | TBBle | Whoa, that factoid was out of date. |
| 12:25.23 | petemc | it could be the cable... |
| 12:25.38 | scx | Someone may tell me where do I find the equivalence of an Intel M processor to the Pentium4 ??? |
| 12:25.41 | scx | please |
| 12:25.44 | TBBle | !tell TBBle about Ubuntu |
| 12:25.47 | Maulkin | UziMaster: No you didn't. Not if you're running debian and installed it with apt-get :) |
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| 12:26.02 | TBBle | Ah, that's the one I wanted |
| 12:26.12 | mike_ | do i need locales? |
| 12:26.20 | Maulkin | mike_: It's a good idea |
| 12:26.25 | muszek | what would be the procedure to recover that data? |
| 12:26.26 | UziMaster | Maulkin: yes i did, now it resides in /usr/bin :D |
| 12:26.34 | mike_ | locales: Conflicts: base-config but 2.73 is to be installed |
| 12:26.41 | mike_ | Maulkin: you'd better be right |
| 12:26.42 | UziMaster | Maulkin: and this is debian, i swear |
| 12:26.43 | TBBle | mike_: Either h or ? will give help in aptitude |
| 12:26.54 | Maulkin | UziMaster: There you go thenm, you installed it as root. Not read man sudoers, the run visudo |
| 12:26.57 | mike_ | ive done |
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| 12:27.00 | TBBle | mike_: Did you read the description of base-config? |
| 12:27.02 | mike_ | ive done it * |
| 12:27.03 | Maulkin | *Now |
| 12:27.03 | mike_ | yes |
| 12:27.17 | mike_ | its the base configuration system for a new debian install |
| 12:27.21 | mike_ | i removed it |
| 12:27.25 | mike_ | and it says |
| 12:27.26 | TBBle | Good |
| 12:27.29 | mike_ | locales: Conflicts: base-config but 2.73 is to be installed |
| 12:27.38 | Maulkin | zach: Ok, now run "apt-get update" |
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| 12:27.41 | TBBle | mike_: That implies that you did not remove it... |
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| 12:27.49 | mike_ | no |
| 12:27.56 | scx | is just I want a new LapTop, and saw the Thinkpad T43 with an Intel M 750 processor at 1.86Hhz (533Mhz FSB) |
| 12:27.56 | mike_ | read it again TBBle |
| 12:27.57 | mike_ | it doesn't say |
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| 12:28.04 | mike_ | locales: Confilcts:base-config but 2.73 is installed. |
| 12:28.05 | zach | ok maulkin |
| 12:28.08 | mike_ | it says |
| 12:28.11 | mike_ | locales: Conflicts: base-config but 2.73 is to be installed |
| 12:28.18 | mike_ | WTF IS HAPPENING |
| 12:28.22 | scx | but,... compared with a pentiun 4,... is that fast or not? |
| 12:28.36 | TBBle | mike_: It says "I want to install locales, but locales conflicts with base-config and base-config 2.73 is to be installed"... Hmm OK, that version says it's not installed but something is pulling it in. |
| 12:28.36 | UziMaster | Maulkin: er.. ur right again :D i forgot i sued myself minutes ago :D |
| 12:28.49 | TBBle | mike_: Are you apt-get upgrading or installing |
| 12:28.53 | UziMaster | Maulkin: haha |
| 12:29.14 | mike_ | im installing a completely new debian system |
| 12:29.17 | mike_ | testing |
| 12:29.22 | mike_ | for my desktop |
| 12:29.38 | TBBle | mike_: But are you apt-get upgrading or installing? |
| 12:29.47 | mike_ | i guess im installing |
| 12:29.59 | TBBle | mike_: OK. Add base-config- to the end of the line, and see what happens. |
| 12:30.01 | scx | I think I should ask in #intel but the channel does not exists yet :D |
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| 12:30.10 | mike_ | im not at a bash prompt |
| 12:30.18 | mike_ | im stuck inside the installer |
| 12:30.38 | mike_ | no im not |
| 12:30.39 | mike_ | HA |
| 12:30.41 | TBBle | mike_: Oh... You're still in aptitude? Go down to base-config and see what it says it wants to do with it. |
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| 12:31.58 | Paivakil | mike_: just continuing with install will solve most problems |
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| 12:32.32 | zach | uh maulkin |
| 12:32.36 | mike_ | i cant continue if its stuck in the installer |
| 12:32.40 | Paivakil | mike_: and - (the minus sign) unselects packages |
| 12:32.42 | zach | its still asking for the debian cd |
| 12:32.48 | mike_ | i know |
| 12:32.50 | comsa | deb dot org |
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| 12:32.59 | mike_ | i've been using debian for 3 years |
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| 12:33.04 | mike_ | ive installed it once |
| 12:33.16 | mike_ | LAWL! |
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| 12:33.39 | Paivakil | mike_: what? locales or base-config? |
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| 12:34.36 | Paivakil | mike_: err.. sorry about that |
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| 12:34.45 | Paivakil | mike_: did you get a working base system? |
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| 12:35.21 | mike_ | Paivakil: yes |
| 12:35.45 | mike_ | Paivakil: but it keeps telling me i have broken dependancies between base-config and locales |
| 12:35.48 | Paivakil | and sources.list points to testing *only*? |
| 12:36.02 | mike_ | and i can't install either cause they need each other |
| 12:36.07 | mike_ | if that makes sense |
| 12:36.14 | mike_ | mate, this IS a new install |
| 12:36.20 | mike_ | i havn't touched any files yet |
| 12:36.21 | Paivakil | mike_: you rebooted once after the netinstall? |
| 12:36.26 | mike_ | yes |
| 12:36.42 | Paivakil | mike_: then get out of aptitude, and say `apt-get -f install' |
| 12:37.05 | zach | trying to get zlib1g-dev to install, but it keeps asking for my 3rd cd instead of using the net to download the package, can anyone help? |
| 12:37.17 | zach | i did apt-setup and chose http |
| 12:37.40 | mike_ | im back in the installer again |
| 12:37.47 | mike_ | locales: Conflicts: base-config but 2.73 is to be installed |
| 12:37.51 | streuner | zack: show us your sources.list (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 12:37.52 | mike_ | arrragh |
| 12:38.00 | TinoW | is there somewhere a repository for firefox nigty builds as .deb? |
| 12:38.04 | TBBle | mike_: And what happens if you force base-config to not be installed by -ing it in aptitude? |
| 12:38.13 | zach | paste my sources list you mean? |
| 12:38.17 | streuner | TinoW: no |
| 12:38.20 | Paivakil | mike_: how? you running aptitude or installer? or a menu? |
| 12:38.25 | streuner | zach: yep |
| 12:38.28 | zach | k |
| 12:38.31 | streuner | not here |
| 12:38.40 | streuner | !tell zach about paster |
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| 12:39.02 | Paivakil | zach: just etit your /etc/apt/sources.list, and move the lines beginning with cdrom to the bottom |
| 12:39.11 | zach | streuner, it lists the debian disks |
| 12:39.13 | mike_ | im in aptitude, but i also have another prompt open |
| 12:39.23 | zach | should i put # infront of them and just keep the urls |
| 12:39.24 | mike_ | so what should i do? |
| 12:39.27 | streuner | zach: ok, listen to Paivakil then |
| 12:39.34 | Paivakil | mike_: exit aptitude; you cannot do apt-get -f install when aptitude is running |
| 12:39.38 | TBBle | mike_: Find base-config in aptitude, - it and see what is marked broken. |
| 12:39.43 | zach | ok thanks Paivakil |
| 12:39.44 | Paivakil | zach: good idea |
| 12:39.53 | zach | same thing right? :p |
| 12:40.30 | streuner | besides |
| 12:40.34 | streuner | zach: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 12:40.36 | mike_ | TBBle: so i just mark it for removal and how do i tell what else is broken? |
| 12:40.46 | Paivakil | mike_: as an alternative, just hit the `b' key in aptitude, and force install the broken packages by hitting + on them |
| 12:41.03 | TBBle | mike_: - marks it for removal (or to leave it removed in this case) and it should say in the info window what's broken. 'b' takes you to the next broken pacakge. |
| 12:41.04 | Paivakil | mike_: b shows the broken packages in aptitude |
| 12:41.26 | zach | streuner ? |
| 12:41.30 | mike_ | ok |
| 12:41.31 | mike_ | thanks |
| 12:41.50 | streuner | zach: run that and tell us the output |
| 12:41.54 | zach | k |
| 12:42.29 | mike_ | wait |
| 12:42.44 | mike_ | i can't install base-config as locales is installed now |
| 12:42.54 | TBBle | mike_: You don't _want_ to install base-config. |
| 12:42.58 | mike_ | but i can't continue the installation if its like that either |
| 12:43.02 | mike_ | i know |
| 12:43.16 | mike_ | but when it is like that, it wants to install base-config |
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| 12:43.22 | TBBle | mike_: That's why you have to mark it 'leave removed' with the - key. |
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| 12:43.40 | zach | shared libaries and timezone, 500 cdrom://[debian gnu/linux 3.1 r1_sarge_ - official i386 binary- unstable/main packages |
| 12:43.44 | mike_ | locales wants to install base-config, but base-config can't be installed with locales |
| 12:43.51 | zach | is first, followed by 3 sites |
| 12:43.53 | mike_ | but the installer needs locales |
| 12:44.03 | streuner | zach: what's the first line? |
| 12:44.11 | TBBle | mike_: Why do you think locales wants to install base-config? There's nothing on pdo.debian.org/locales that would imply that. |
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| 12:44.29 | mike_ | well |
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| 12:44.43 | mike_ | it says this when i continue in the installation of packages |
| 12:44.49 | mike_ | locales: Conflicts: base-config but 2.73 is to be installed |
| 12:44.53 | zach | 2.3.2.dsl-22 gnu c library |
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| 12:45.19 | TBBle | mike_: Yes. That says that locales _conflicts_ with the base-config that is _still_ marked to be installed. It doesn't say that locales is the reason it's marked to be insatlled. |
| 12:45.31 | streuner | zach: ok, just remove sources.list and run 'apt-setup' as root - choose security.debian.org as well |
| 12:45.55 | streuner | zach: after that, run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' |
| 12:45.56 | mike_ | so how can i not install it |
| 12:45.56 | zach | delete sources.list file? |
| 12:46.00 | mike_ | force it not to be installed |
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| 12:46.05 | streuner | zach: yep |
| 12:46.20 | emperor_ | I can use the configurations of kernel 2.4 for kernel 2.6 or will have some problem? |
| 12:46.25 | TBBle | mike_: Go to its line in aptitude, and hit - |
| 12:46.36 | mike_ | ive done that |
| 12:46.37 | streuner | zach: i hope your i-net connection works... |
| 12:46.45 | zach | hm? |
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| 12:47.11 | TBBle | mike_: And on the go-screen, is base-config listed? |
| 12:47.18 | streuner | zach: can you connect with your debian-box to i-net? |
| 12:47.25 | zach | i am now. |
| 12:47.30 | mike_ | yes |
| 12:47.32 | streuner | zach: ok |
| 12:47.34 | mike_ | and its not installed |
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| 12:47.42 | TBBle | mike_: OK. - it there too. _ it even (purge) |
| 12:47.42 | mike_ | so i cant put it up for removal |
| 12:47.47 | mike_ | yes |
| 12:47.56 | mike_ | ive tried purging too |
| 12:48.04 | zach | and i should remove my sources.list still? |
| 12:48.11 | streuner | zach: yep |
| 12:48.16 | mike_ | what about forbid version? will that work? |
| 12:48.22 | TBBle | mike_: And does it say anything to give a reaons why it would completely and thouroughly disobey your direct wishes? |
| 12:48.36 | mike_ | nope, nothing at all |
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| 12:48.43 | TBBle | mike_: Does its status change when you hit -? |
| 12:48.51 | mike_ | no |
| 12:48.59 | TBBle | mike_: Hit it harder ^_^ |
| 12:49.28 | mike_ | no |
| 12:49.29 | mike_ | nothing |
| 12:49.36 | zach | streuner how to delete? |
| 12:49.41 | TBBle | mike_: OK. Get out of aptitude, we'll do it with apt-get |
| 12:49.46 | mike_ | ok |
| 12:49.50 | mike_ | done |
| 12:49.52 | streuner | zach: rm -i /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 12:49.57 | TBBle | mike_: Firstly, apt-get -f install |
| 12:50.32 | mike_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 80 not upgraded |
| 12:50.40 | mike_ | back at prompt |
| 12:50.50 | TBBle | mike_: OK. apt-get install locales base-config- |
| 12:51.20 | mike_ | locales us already the newest version |
| 12:51.25 | mike_ | back at prompt |
| 12:51.31 | TBBle | O_O apt-get upgrade |
| 12:51.35 | CcSsNET | for those that need it: atlantica.us/apt/sources.list - updated all the time, i know the owner, great list, over 160 sites in it |
| 12:52.01 | mike_ | 76 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 4 not upgraded |
| 12:52.15 | mike_ | need to get 27mb of archives |
| 12:52.28 | mike_ | continue? |
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| 12:52.30 | zach | is it ftp.security.debian.org ? |
| 12:52.33 | TBBle | mike_: Sure. |
| 12:52.45 | calmar | hi all, I did an 'U' in aptitue. How could I get rid of the 'update' marks again? |
| 12:52.48 | TBBle | CcSsNET: Oh, I like the blithe mixing of Debian and Ubuntu packages. |
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| 12:53.10 | CcSsNET | i actualy comment out ubuntu i cant stand that part lol |
| 12:53.20 | CcSsNET | and i comment out the very last group also |
| 12:53.23 | CcSsNET | but thats just me |
| 12:53.33 | streuner | zach: yep |
| 12:53.41 | mike_ | this'll take a few minutes TBBle. im gonna go grab some more pizza. brb in like 5 mins |
| 12:53.43 | streuner | zach: choose http |
| 12:53.43 | zach | failed to fetch streuner |
| 12:53.52 | streuner | zach: ^^^ |
| 12:53.55 | zach | k |
| 12:54.07 | streuner | zach: debian doesn't use ftp, because ftp is crap |
| 12:54.19 | CcSsNET | well enjoy, im heading out |
| 12:54.21 | zach | haha :p |
| 12:54.39 | zach | couldnt resolve.. |
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| 12:55.27 | YogSothoth | Hi |
| 12:55.27 | streuner | zach: well, your DNS isn't working then |
| 12:55.31 | quitte | hi. im having trouble getting my miro dc30 to work. i modprobed zr36067 card=3 and that seems to have worked. but xawtv dosnt start ad i get "dc30: no tv decoder loaded for device!" on the console |
| 12:55.32 | YogSothoth | I'm trying to use rsync from a bash script. My rsync command works well |
| 12:55.38 | YogSothoth | but I put it into a rsync.sh file then chmod +x , run it and it raises "syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1097)" like if there was no parameters in my command. Why? |
| 12:55.39 | zach | it downloads off other servers |
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| 12:55.55 | streuner | zach: which? |
| 12:55.57 | zach | ah it worked |
| 12:55.59 | zach | :) |
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| 12:56.35 | quitte | i think i have to load bttv with some card= option,too. but the cardlist doesnt list the numbersto use any more |
| 12:56.37 | zach | apt-get update && did'nt do anything |
| 12:56.52 | zach | er were you just meaning & |
| 12:57.11 | streuner | zach: well, you have prolly the lastest packages installed then |
| 12:57.18 | CcSsNET | apt-get update && echo "hmmm i guess it did something since your reading this" |
| 12:57.19 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 12:57.26 | CcSsNET | ok bye |
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| 12:57.48 | zach | finally its working, thanks streuner |
| 12:57.50 | TBBle | quitte: The cardlist should have the numbers every 8 cards or so. In hex, just to be confusing. |
| 12:58.05 | streuner | zach: have fun |
| 12:58.36 | mike_ | TBBle: 98% |
| 12:58.39 | zach | so apt-setup, when you scan the disks, thats basically telling sources.list all the packages its got to offer? so it will redirect you there |
| 12:59.04 | streuner | zach: no |
| 12:59.09 | zach | hrmm |
| 12:59.18 | streuner | zach: apt-cdrom add scan CDROM's |
| 12:59.20 | mike_ | TBBle: done |
| 12:59.22 | zach | ah |
| 12:59.32 | zach | handy to write down :) |
| 12:59.39 | jm_ | streuner: apt-setup can call it for you |
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| 12:59.51 | streuner | zach: but if you really wanna use unstable just /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 13:00.15 | streuner | jm_: that's what he don't want ;-) |
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| 13:00.22 | mike_ | TBBle: can i skip the install packages bit? |
| 13:00.24 | TBBle | mike_: Excellent... Now apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 13:00.29 | TBBle | mike_: Yeah. |
| 13:00.31 | mike_ | or should i go it? |
| 13:00.32 | mike_ | ok |
| 13:00.34 | TBBle | mike_: Uh, which install packages bit/ |
| 13:00.50 | mike_ | the base install configuration screen |
| 13:00.53 | zach | thanks |
| 13:00.57 | quitte | TBBle: i still dont see it |
| 13:01.04 | mike_ | desktop system, base system, mail server system etc.... |
| 13:01.15 | quitte | TBBle: never mind |
| 13:01.22 | TBBle | quitte: OK, good. ^_^ |
| 13:01.26 | zach | back at square one, apt-get java-package couldn't find package java-package |
| 13:01.39 | TBBle | You're installing testing, right? Why did anything need upgrading? |
| 13:01.51 | streuner | !tell zach about java |
| 13:01.54 | TBBle | zach: java-package is in contrib, in case that's not been mentioned. |
| 13:01.55 | mike_ | yeah |
| 13:01.58 | mike_ | i have no idea |
| 13:02.08 | zach | yeah it has been to me tbble |
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| 13:02.18 | zach | never really understood the person explaining it to me |
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| 13:02.31 | mike_ | so can i TBBle ? |
| 13:02.35 | TBBle | mike_: OK. Well, yeah, do the apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 13:02.36 | mike_ | TBBle: can i skip the install packages bit? |
| 13:02.42 | mike_ | i did that |
| 13:02.51 | TBBle | mike_: Yeah, as long as you're willing to track down what you need by hand, sure. I always do. |
| 13:02.56 | streuner | java has license issues, and of this issue its NOT in debian |
| 13:02.59 | jc_ | how to rewrite lilo. My boot stop in LI |
| 13:03.09 | mike_ | Errors were encountered while processing debconf console-data console-tools |
| 13:03.13 | streuner | blackdown has the right to make debs out of it |
| 13:03.16 | Fox_1_ | i need a time corrector program. ? |
| 13:03.35 | TBBle | It does worry me that base-config might still have been needed at this stage of the installer... Maybe the debian installer isn't up to date with base-config being emptied... |
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| 13:03.44 | mike_ | the need debconf and debconf is lockedDbDriver config |
| 13:04.00 | mike_ | god damn it |
| 13:04.10 | TBBle | mike_: In future, I'd suggest either installing off a currnt d-i daily build, which might work, or installing Sarge and upgrading to Etch... |
| 13:04.12 | mike_ | why can't debian release WORKING install cd's |
| 13:04.14 | mike_ | :P |
| 13:04.36 | mike_ | yeah, this is a bitch |
| 13:04.36 | beardy | mike_: Don't troll. |
| 13:04.45 | beardy | mike_: What's the problem? |
| 13:04.47 | mike_ | beardy: im kidding |
| 13:04.47 | comsa | etch stable yet |
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| 13:05.00 | streuner | !stable |
| 13:05.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is sarge 3.1r1, or ask me about releases. |
| 13:05.25 | mike_ | beardy: the installer is broken |
| 13:05.50 | beardy | mike_: Which one? |
| 13:05.52 | TBBle | I don't think "broken" is right, more "out of date compared to the roughened front edge of etch" |
| 13:05.53 | Coweater | mike_: you're using testing? |
| 13:06.09 | mike_ | TBBle: i got this like a week ago |
| 13:06.15 | mike_ | maybe 2 |
| 13:06.15 | beardy | mike_: And if it's not stable, why are you surprised? |
| 13:06.25 | mike_ | beardy: its testing |
| 13:06.37 | TBBle | mike_: The point is, the _current_ daily builds may not handle the base-config change. |
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| 13:07.03 | mike_ | so i download a more recent version? |
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| 13:07.09 | Prog80 | hi |
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| 13:07.28 | TBBle | mike_: You _could_, but you're risking another failure. I heartily recommend installing Sarge, getting that running, and _then_ upgrade to etch. |
| 13:07.34 | Prog80 | some1 know Horde? |
| 13:07.42 | TBBle | !seen Horde |
| 13:07.43 | dpkg | horde <n=cameronr@222-153-168-41.jetstream.xtra.co.nz> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 106d 6h 13m 44s ago, saying: 'nah i want to find out what cd its on, using the jigdo image search'. |
| 13:07.50 | mike_ | TBBle: is that what you did? |
| 13:08.06 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 13:08.08 | RvGaTe | wow, 106 days away from #debian... he could die ! |
| 13:08.10 | beardy | !some1 |
| 13:08.11 | dpkg | some1 is probably IRC shorthand for "I'm a twit" |
| 13:08.12 | streuner | !info iloahmail |
| 13:08.15 | Prog80 | i do that |
| 13:08.17 | TBBle | mike_: I don't run etch. I run Sarge on my servers, but that's what I did for my sid machines. |
| 13:08.23 | azeem | dpkg: forgot some1 |
| 13:08.28 | azeem | dpkg: forget some1 |
| 13:08.28 | dpkg | i forgot some1, azeem |
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| 13:08.36 | Prog80 | i have to do only a simple question |
| 13:09.01 | streuner | Prog80: horde is in debian, but it works only in unstable |
| 13:09.01 | sep | i installed the most recent kernel from s.d.o. but the mkinitrd part failes with /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: add_modules_dep_2_5: modprobe failed and a long list of a long list of FATAL: module (modulename) not found where modulename is all the modules that should bee in my initrd. So i tried to rerun the mkinitrd part by running the command dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 |
| 13:09.01 | sep | , this gives me the exact same error. naturally the initrd lacks all modules and it refuses to boot. all the modules are located where they should be, also mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-2-test 2.4.27-2-686, gives exactly the same errors. i found this in BTS http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=288011, but no resolution was found. anyone have any hints ? |
| 13:09.05 | TBBle | Prog80: And the sooner you ask the question the sooner we can either answer it or profess ignorance via the medium of silence. |
| 13:09.07 | streuner | argh |
| 13:09.17 | tanker | hello, is there a debian/mips specific channel |
| 13:09.34 | comsa | look at wots on linux |
| 13:09.36 | TBBle | ... What's s.d.o? |
| 13:09.44 | streuner | security.debian.org |
| 13:09.49 | TBBle | Oh, right. |
| 13:09.59 | jm_ | sep: is there initramfs available on backports? |
| 13:10.23 | TBBle | Would initramfs work with 2.6.8? |
| 13:10.31 | Prog80 | can i share a folder between 2 accounts |
| 13:10.46 | jm_ | sep: wait, s.d.o != backports ;) |
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| 13:11.23 | TBBle | mike_: For people who want something between stable and unstable, I usually give them a Ubuntu CD from my stack of Ubuntu CDs with a proviso that I don't use it, so can only help in the most non-specific way. |
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| 13:11.36 | mike_ | i don't like ubuntu |
| 13:11.44 | jm_ | sep: so this is Sarge box? |
| 13:11.47 | TBBle | mike_: I can't argue that, I've never used it. |
| 13:12.04 | mike_ | i'd rather use debian. i heart debian |
| 13:12.23 | mike_ | debian fo' lyfe. |
| 13:12.38 | zach | streuner so what do i do? |
| 13:12.41 | zach | =/ |
| 13:13.15 | streuner | zach: /msg dpkg blackdown |
| 13:13.44 | TBBle | mike_: Indeed. Debian or toggling bootrom into the front panel, there _is_ nothing else. |
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| 13:14.03 | Prog80 | TBBle: can i share a folder between 2 accounts |
| 13:14.06 | Prog80 | ? |
| 13:14.43 | TBBle | Prog80: Huh? What are you asking about? |
| 13:15.08 | zach | thanks |
| 13:15.14 | Prog80 | HORDE |
| 13:15.33 | TBBle | Prog80: I've no idea, I've never used it, and only have a very slight idea what it is. |
| 13:15.36 | tanker | hello, is there a debian/mips specific channel ;) or shall i ask questions here? |
| 13:15.48 | Prog80 | thanx anywhere |
| 13:16.14 | TBBle | tanker: Well, assuming you tried #debian-mips and #debianmips, then here's prolly as good as anywhere. |
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| 13:16.42 | tanker | TBBle: both do not exist ... |
| 13:16.47 | tanker | ok, so i'm trying here |
| 13:16.56 | beardy | tanker: #MIPSLinux perhaps |
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| 13:17.06 | TBBle | tanker: If it's the right sort of kernel-level question, a #linux-mips or #kernel-mips or some variant might be better, maybe not. |
| 13:17.10 | tanker | this channel is for developers only |
| 13:17.12 | Ranof | hai sowry gangu bleh knaln g' |
| 13:17.24 | tanker | ok, simple question maybe |
| 13:17.36 | beardy | tanker: Just ask. |
| 13:17.41 | tanker | strace /bin/bash |
| 13:17.43 | Ranof | what |
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| 13:17.52 | tanker | gives me errors about loading libraries |
| 13:18.01 | tanker | but calling /bin/bash works |
| 13:18.10 | tanker | so i'm little confused :) |
| 13:18.18 | Ranof | i don't no |
| 13:18.53 | TBBle | Ranof: Are you having a conversation by yourself there or what? |
| 13:18.55 | Bucciarati | tanker: ldd /bin/bash and ldd /usr/bin/strace |
| 13:19.15 | tanker | both work |
| 13:19.21 | Ranof | hai |
| 13:19.27 | tanker | http://mic.priv.at/strace.out |
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| 13:20.19 | TBBle | tanker: Eww... Looked up error 9? |
| 13:20.27 | Bucciarati | tanker: and you have libncurses.so.5 somewhere in /lib , right ? |
| 13:20.49 | Bucciarati | tanker: ok i see it opens it |
| 13:20.49 | tanker | http://mic.priv.at/ldd.strace |
| 13:20.55 | tanker | http://mic.priv.at/ldd.bash |
| 13:20.55 | Bucciarati | so there it is |
| 13:21.05 | tanker | strange behavior, isn't it? |
| 13:21.56 | TBBle | tanker: That's boned up... Someone broke the MIPs ABI subtly? I'd be having a poke at the strace bugreports in the first instance. |
| 13:22.02 | Bucciarati | strange, indeed.. where did you get your libncurses5 package ? |
| 13:22.19 | tanker | all packages are from debian/testing |
| 13:22.41 | tanker | last upgrade from today |
| 13:23.14 | sep | jm_, yes it's a sarge it have regulare sources +non-free contrib and security.d.o |
| 13:23.18 | tanker | and this is not specific to /bin/bash |
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| 13:23.31 | TBBle | tanker: "old_mmap(NULL, 572528, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0) = -1 EBADF (Bad file descriptor)" appears to highlight the problem... Tried ltrace? |
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| 13:23.34 | tanker | every dynamically linked program behaves like this |
| 13:24.09 | Bucciarati | tanker: every one linked to ncurses or *every one* ??!? |
| 13:24.16 | azeem | tanker: so you get this error only when you run strace? |
| 13:24.17 | tanker | *every one* |
| 13:24.27 | tanker | azeem: yes. the binaries work fine |
| 13:24.37 | sep | but i have compiled in vmware-tools in it. thatone addes 2 modules, but i'd not expect such breakage from that. |
| 13:24.45 | azeem | tanker: strace might be borked on mips then |
| 13:25.24 | sep | jm_, and mkinitrd -386 works ok |
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| 13:26.42 | tanker | TBBle: ltrace seems not to exist on the mips platform |
| 13:26.53 | TBBle | tanker: Yuck again. |
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| 13:27.39 | tanker | apt-cache search ltrace |
| 13:27.39 | tanker | autotrace - bitmap to vector graphics converter |
| 13:27.44 | tanker | that's it :/ |
| 13:27.55 | TBBle | tanker: Oh well. Try not to strace anything until they fix it. ^_^ |
| 13:28.04 | tanker | :) |
| 13:28.41 | tanker | okay. that's a pity. since I wanted to find out, why lighttpd hangs in an endless loop only on the mips platform ... |
| 13:28.52 | jm_ | sep: mkinitrd is a shell script, you can compare how it works for both |
| 13:29.14 | TBBle | tanker: gdb? |
| 13:29.39 | tanker | hm, that's an option, yes ... |
| 13:30.18 | ootput | oh wow, large fonts are nice |
| 13:30.28 | ootput | especially ones used by distributed proofreaders |
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| 13:33.40 | tarzeau | ootput: large fonts? |
| 13:34.53 | epsilon | does anyone use ftp over ssh? Which ports do I need to open for incoming connection, only 22, or also 21+passive ports? |
| 13:35.27 | ^P | epsilon, i guess 22 is enough |
| 13:35.49 | vali | sftp only uses tcp/22 IFAIK |
| 13:35.52 | RichiH | epsilon: you need passive ftp |
| 13:35.55 | epsilon | data connection is tunneled in shh? |
| 13:36.03 | blakkino | epsilon, use sftp :) |
| 13:36.03 | RichiH | active ftp over ssh is rather impossible |
| 13:36.08 | RichiH | if you can, use scp |
| 13:36.24 | epsilon | blacke: sftp = ssh-ftp I thought? |
| 13:36.43 | TinoW | epsilon: similar |
| 13:36.49 | bbrazil | epsilon: yip. and ftps is ssled ftp |
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| 13:37.09 | epsilon | I know ftp-ssl is sth different |
| 13:37.23 | TinoW | epsilon: sftp uses channels, while ftp uses ports |
| 13:37.48 | TinoW | epsilon: but - ftp must die. Use http/webdav instead |
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| 13:38.18 | epsilon | ehh... why is ftp bad, if the connection is secure? |
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| 13:38.39 | TinoW | epsilon: because its a pita for firewalls and nat. |
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| 13:38.47 | sandman | Has anyone had troubles with sarge electricsheep? |
| 13:38.59 | ootput | tarzeau: yeah |
| 13:39.06 | ootput | tarzeau: i pretty big change for me |
| 13:39.09 | TinoW | epsilon: while webdav just works |
| 13:39.10 | xoz | sandman: be more specific |
| 13:39.13 | tarzeau | ootput: how large? |
| 13:39.32 | TBBle | sandman: Are your androids having nightmares again? |
| 13:39.36 | ootput | tarzeau: a little over 1/2 a cm |
| 13:39.52 | ootput | tarzeau: i'll get a quick screen shot of it |
| 13:40.05 | sandman | xoz: TBBle It says it detected another electricsheep process |
| 13:40.28 | sandman | There doesn't appear to be another one, though. |
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| 13:41.38 | epsilon | hm, does ftp over ssh works if the user shell is set to /bin/false? |
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| 13:42.12 | xoz | km1~1~1~ |
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| 13:42.51 | sandman | Why does Sarge _not_ have mldonkey in it? |
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| 13:43.16 | epsilon | iirc mldonkey is closed |
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| 13:44.42 | NoAgendas | BEWARE! gazduireSite.ro (contact@gazduireSite.ro) is going around threatening to hack hosting providers and even WHT. He is posting fraud reviews about providers to get them provoked and then starts doing it again in disguise under a different name. He has been banned from one forum already and been reported to FBI. I suggest you teach him a lesson on threatening people. I suggest you warn others on WHT as well. |
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| 13:44.58 | Ronin | NoAgendas: your point being? |
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| 13:45.31 | NoAgendas | are you that blind? read |
| 13:45.34 | TBBle | I'm not sure I want to know this, but what's WHT? |
| 13:45.40 | NoAgendas | web hosting talk |
| 13:45.42 | nvz__ | are you stupid this happens every 3 seconds |
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| 13:45.51 | nvz__ | and its off-topic here |
| 13:46.02 | Ronin | NoAgendas: are you stupid? we dont care |
| 13:46.04 | NoAgendas | i think your stupid actually..someone trying to be nice..but your an asshole in reply |
| 13:46.17 | Ronin | well ok we may but its just a tad off topic |
| 13:46.17 | xoz | NoAgendas: do you know that a dog barking doesn't bite? |
| 13:46.24 | ivanneto | Is there any tool to browse (or search/list) src packages, like aptitude? |
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| 13:46.56 | epsilon | ivanneto: gui or shell |
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| 13:47.17 | ivanneto | epsilon: shell would be good. |
| 13:47.27 | britt____ | wow i must have missed something good. |
| 13:47.36 | epsilon | aptitude *shrugs* |
| 13:47.48 | nvz__ | britt____: nope |
| 13:47.59 | britt____ | nvz__: oh |
| 13:48.25 | britt____ | does anybody know how to set relay permissions in exim4? I get 550 errors... |
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| 13:48.59 | Uberriffic | I've got a data drive pulled over from someone's Mac. And they have folder names like "My Picture's". I want to do a find ./ -type d | xargs .... but I cannot because it says unmatched single quote. Anyone know how I can manipulate xargs so it correctly escapes quotes in input? |
| 13:49.03 | TinoW | britt: yes. There is even a channel #exim :-) |
| 13:49.04 | jm_ | ivanneto: why would you need such a tool? |
| 13:49.11 | jes-o-mat | how do I enable sending icmp redirect on a debian router box? |
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| 13:49.19 | jm_ | Uberriffic: yes, many people do |
| 13:49.27 | _ideafix_ | i love debian |
| 13:49.37 | nixie | we all do |
| 13:49.40 | _ideafix_ | the only true linux |
| 13:49.40 | TBBle | Uberriffic: Use -print0 in find and -0 in xargs. Uses nulls instead of spaces to separate results. |
| 13:50.46 | ivanneto | jm_: I've just figured out that there's no package unrar-unfree on amd64. But it exists on the source repository, so I could generate the package from the source. I would like to know if there are more packages like that. |
| 13:50.49 | britt____ | TinoW: i know, but its dead |
| 13:51.01 | Uberriffic | TBBle, thank you very much |
| 13:51.12 | sep | jes-o-mat, echo "0" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/send_redirects |
| 13:51.42 | jm_ | ivanneto: you mean unrar-nonfree? |
| 13:51.45 | epsilon | Uberriffic: can't you use -exec of find? |
| 13:51.48 | sep | jes-o-mat, it's identical for all linux's and you might want to set it in /etc/sysctl.conf for it to be set on boot |
| 13:51.53 | britt____ | what about the marillat sources? |
| 13:52.01 | britt____ | they're dead..been that way for months |
| 13:52.02 | Uberriffic | epsilon: never tried that |
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| 13:52.06 | sep | jes-o-mat, umm it's set it to 1 for enable (0 is disable) |
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| 13:52.38 | epsilon | Uberriffic: executing directly with find is more elegant than pipe |
| 13:52.39 | jm_ | ivanneto: see 335824 |
| 13:52.46 | ivanneto | jm_: yes. My mistake. |
| 13:52.54 | ootput | tarzeau: http://metawire.org/~ootput/gallery/screenshots/fullsize/060214_ion3-cluttered.png |
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| 13:52.59 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 13:53.07 | ootput | a departure from my usual layout |
| 13:53.21 | Fox_1_ | who use ndsad??? |
| 13:53.22 | jm_ | ivanneto: in general, you could find such packages by comparing Packages.gz for i386 and amd64 I guess |
| 13:53.37 | TBBle | epsilon: Except that programs have a constant start-time, which adds up over enough invocations via exec while xargs batches them together for more efficiency. |
| 13:53.39 | tarzeau | ootput: very ugly! |
| 13:53.39 | epsilon | Uberriffic: like find ./ -type d -exec ls {} \; |
| 13:53.54 | tarzeau | ootput: that's worse than mosh girl! |
| 13:54.14 | ootput | tarzeau: it's the most readable font i've ever come across |
| 13:54.20 | TBBle | epsilon: And of course embedded spaces in filenames with find can take some munging to get right. |
| 13:54.23 | tarzeau | ootput: yuck |
| 13:54.24 | ootput | tarzeau: without taking into account the size :) |
| 13:54.34 | Uberriffic | epsilon: {} is used to substitute the results i assume... is that changeable, and is the \; required? |
| 13:54.35 | tarzeau | ootput: you know mosh girl? |
| 13:54.36 | ootput | tarzeau: oh, it may be because you have a shoddy display |
| 13:54.38 | TBBle | epsilon: And the unix way is to use one program for one task. Find to find, and xargs to execute with args. |
| 13:54.38 | ootput | tarzeau: nope |
| 13:54.47 | ootput | tarzeau: i'm loving this for code |
| 13:54.54 | epsilon | Uberriffic: \; is reg exp for ; |
| 13:54.54 | tarzeau | ootput: i've got a 1600x1200 eizo tft display |
| 13:54.59 | ootput | tarzeau: :D |
| 13:54.59 | tarzeau | ootput: i wouldn't call that shoddy |
| 13:55.03 | tarzeau | !mosh |
| 13:55.07 | epsilon | showing where -exec ends |
| 13:55.09 | tarzeau | ootput: that's mosh girl, have a look |
| 13:55.19 | ootput | tarzeau: shoddy in the sense that it's not as good as my apple cinema |
| 13:55.31 | ootput | ok |
| 13:55.34 | ivanneto | jm_: OK, but I think there must have a tool to browse source packages... |
| 13:55.37 | TBBle | Uberriffic: The \; is required if you're in bash or any other shell that recognises ';'. You could also -exec 'ls -l {} ;' I believe. |
| 13:55.37 | tarzeau | ootput: apple displays aren't that good |
| 13:56.05 | jm_ | ivanneto: not that I know, usually all packages in Debian have a source package, so you don't need a separate tool |
| 13:56.08 | delire_z1 | tarzeau: no, they are quite awful in fact |
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| 13:56.48 | ootput | tarzeau: heh, who knows.. idle conversation |
| 13:57.02 | ivanneto | jm_: But I've just installed unrar-nonfree from the source repository, and it's not in the binary repository. |
| 13:57.17 | ootput | tarzeau: ah, here's something closer to my screenshot: http://dp.rastko.net/faq/font_sample.php |
| 13:57.35 | TinoW | ivanneto: unrar does not work for newer rar archives. Use rar instead for unpacking |
| 13:57.35 | tarzeau | ootput: that font is ttf? |
| 13:57.41 | ootput | tarzeau: yeah |
| 13:57.51 | tarzeau | ootput: where do i get it from? |
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| 13:57.58 | jm_ | ivanneto: yes, I know what you mean ;) |
| 13:58.07 | ootput | tarzeau: that site |
| 13:58.09 | ootput | tarzeau: ;) |
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| 13:58.16 | tarzeau | this one? http://dp.rastko.net/faq/DPCustomMono2.ttf |
| 13:58.23 | ivanneto | TinoW: I'm on an amd64, there's no rar package here... |
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| 13:58.32 | TinoW | ivanneto: ugh |
| 13:58.40 | jes-o-mat | sep: strange, I have /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/*/send_redirects set to "1" but icmp-echo is going through router without being redirected |
| 13:58.42 | remission | I just installed Xorg but when I try to run xorgconfig I get command not found. Any ideas? |
| 13:58.44 | epsilon | : you have non-free source? |
| 13:58.48 | epsilon | ivanneto |
| 13:59.03 | ootput | tarzeau: it'll grow on you |
| 13:59.15 | ootput | tarzeau: i think so |
| 13:59.16 | epsilon | rar is afaik shareware (ihhk!) |
| 13:59.27 | RolandU | hi again! I am trying to set up my iptables-firewall using "Guarddog". In order to try it out, I selected http and reject. I clicked apply and restarted inetd. However, I can still access any website. What did I make wrong? |
| 13:59.29 | ootput | yes it is |
| 13:59.47 | ivanneto | epsilon: I believe so. "apt-get source --compile unrar-nonfree" compiled and made me a debian package. |
| 13:59.49 | jm_ | RolandU: perhaps it allows local connections? |
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| 13:59.57 | jes-o-mat | sep: this was only for solaris machines ... it's working fine |
| 14:00.00 | ootput | tarzeau: have you tweaked your .fonts.conf? |
| 14:00.02 | sep | jes-o-mat, would icmp-redirect redirect icmp.. woudnt it only redirect ip ? |
| 14:00.13 | TinoW | RolandU: how is inetd related to your firewall? |
| 14:00.14 | tarzeau | ootput: the font looks broken in windows |
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| 14:00.20 | bbrazil | sep: icmp is ip |
| 14:00.25 | remission | I just installed Xorg but when I try to run xorgconfig I get command not found. Any ideas? |
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| 14:00.31 | epsilon | ivanneto: is no-free in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 14:00.32 | sep | bbrazil, duh stupid me ofcouseit is. |
| 14:00.38 | ootput | tarzeau: why on earth are you testing it on windows? |
| 14:00.41 | tarzeau | ootput: it really looks ugly |
| 14:00.44 | ootput | tarzeau: you mean uneven edges? |
| 14:00.47 | tarzeau | ootput: because gnustep is portable? |
| 14:00.53 | tarzeau | ootput: yes the very ugly edges |
| 14:01.11 | ootput | tarzeau: would cleartype do any good there? |
| 14:01.16 | tarzeau | ootput: and the oversized i/j dots |
| 14:01.16 | ivanneto | epsilon: yes, both in binary and source. |
| 14:01.26 | tarzeau | ootput: no idea, i just etnered the ttf url to ie |
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| 14:01.29 | ootput | tarzeau: that's one of the strong points |
| 14:01.30 | sep | jm_, i purged the kernel. manualy rm |
| 14:01.41 | tarzeau | ootput: it's absolutely ugly |
| 14:01.44 | RolandU | jm_, I set it to block http in both directions. |
| 14:01.50 | sep | jm_, i purged the kernel. manualy rm'd the vmware modules and reinstalled the kernel and it worked... |
| 14:01.56 | sep | i have no idea why it was that way. |
| 14:02.00 | jm_ | sep: :) |
| 14:02.01 | ootput | tarzeau: ahah, oh man, you don't know what you're missing |
| 14:02.03 | tarzeau | ootput: maybe we're different |
| 14:02.08 | tarzeau | ootput: you can have the strong women, and i'll take the beautiful |
| 14:02.11 | rambo3 | why would processor run above treshold when i only use gnome and xchat . 3.0 P4 HT |
| 14:02.14 | sep | are there vmware tools binaries out there ? |
| 14:02.15 | ootput | tarzeau: haha |
| 14:02.18 | tarzeau | ootput: *you* don't know what *you* are missing |
| 14:02.23 | TinoW | RolandU: I'd have a look at the iptables script it generates |
| 14:02.53 | ootput | tarzeau: i don't think the font would fit in with the sunshine + bubblegum scheme of your windows box |
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| 14:03.09 | epsilon | RolandU: iptables-save |
| 14:03.12 | tarzeau | ootput: it's not my windows. and i only have it for another week |
| 14:03.52 | rambo3 | !win tarzeau |
| 14:03.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, tarzeau! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 14:04.02 | ootput | tarzeau: one last chance mate: http://metawire.org/~ootput/gallery/screenshots/fullsize/060214_ion3-cluttered.png |
| 14:04.25 | epsilon | RolandU: is there sth like -A INPUT -p tcp -dport 80? |
| 14:04.38 | tarzeau | ootput: really it's horribly ugly. btw i've got a metawire account too :) |
| 14:05.16 | ootput | tarzeau: cool, with guest comments, i hope >:] |
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| 14:05.26 | tarzeau | ootput: what are guest comments? |
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| 14:05.36 | ootput | tarzeau: oh nah, i was thinking you had a blog of some sort |
| 14:05.39 | tarzeau | ootput: have you tried opencubicplayer yet? |
| 14:05.39 | onlinebacon | hey |
| 14:05.42 | RolandU | epsilon, no input like that |
| 14:05.45 | tarzeau | ootput: nope, no blog |
| 14:05.50 | onlinebacon | anyone here use the sparc64 version of debian? |
| 14:05.50 | ootput | tarzeau: are you ~tarzeau? |
| 14:05.57 | tarzeau | ootput: does metawire have a blog ready to use? |
| 14:06.04 | tarzeau | ootput: i don't remember, how can i find out? |
| 14:06.05 | remission | I just installed Xorg but when I try to run xorgconfig I get command not found. Any ideas? |
| 14:06.09 | tarzeau | onlinebacon: yes? |
| 14:06.14 | tarzeau | onlinebacon: #sparc too? |
| 14:06.22 | tarzeau | !drx |
| 14:06.22 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 14:06.24 | tarzeau | remission: for you |
| 14:06.26 | epsilon | RolandU: post the iptables-save output to paster |
| 14:06.29 | onlinebacon | ah ok :) |
| 14:06.49 | remission | !drx |
| 14:06.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 14:06.56 | ootput | tarzeau: dunno how to trigger your memory... |
| 14:07.13 | tarzeau | ootput: i can look it up at home |
| 14:07.15 | ootput | tarzeau: but irc.metawire.org is a fun place |
| 14:08.00 | jes-o-mat | sep: it is redirecting icmp echo requests also as it is inside of ip |
| 14:08.07 | ootput | tarzeau: they don't have blog services. i just mentioned it because it seems more and more people I know on the network are using some sort of flat-file blog |
| 14:08.11 | tarzeau | ootput: which channels? |
| 14:08.11 | Trigger13 | does anyone know if we have a gaim 2 beta .deb somewhere? |
| 14:08.23 | tarzeau | Trigger13: no |
| 14:08.23 | ootput | tarzeau: probably #mwsupport |
| 14:08.35 | ootput | tarzeau: #metawire can be very off-topic :) |
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| 14:09.02 | RolandU | epsilon, http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 14:09.16 | Trigger13 | i found one compiles for sarge - now i only need to find the sid version ;) |
| 14:09.18 | RolandU | sorry http://channels.debian.net/paste/1816 |
| 14:09.20 | epsilon | Trigger13: if you need client for new icq protocol, try licq |
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| 14:09.49 | Trigger13 | epsilon, i just want to have a look what changed - but i will have a look at licq too :) |
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| 14:11.06 | ootput | tarzeau: the ops will get back to you |
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| 14:11.32 | ootput | tarzeau: i had to go to the channel on several occasions to reset my password and username :) |
| 14:12.19 | tarzeau | k |
| 14:12.29 | tarzeau | i'm not sure if my username is tar |
| 14:12.56 | RolandU | actually my internet connection should not work now, but I am still here. |
| 14:13.06 | Prudhvi | !tell X_Billy about backporting |
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| 14:14.24 | ootput | tarzeau: off to bed. good luck with the account |
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| 14:14.47 | tarzeau | good night |
| 14:15.24 | Prudhvi | RolandU, why shoudnt it work ;) ? |
| 14:15.42 | epsilon | RolandU: I'm not sure cause the rules are long, but "-A f0to1 -p tcp -m tcp --sport 1024:65535 --dport 80 -m state --state NEW -j logreject" seems rejecting |
| 14:16.57 | RolandU | epsilon, and that basically means I should not be able to view any website? |
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| 14:18.12 | epsilon | RolandU: that means you should learn iptables and make own rules, instead using tools where you don't know what it's doing/effecting |
| 14:18.33 | RolandU | epsilon, the tool was made so that I don't have to learn it. |
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| 14:20.58 | epsilon | RolandU: learn it, if you use only one box without NAT/PAT, iptables is easy to learn |
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| 14:21.20 | hatake_kakashi | anyone here uses Aralion ARS106S chipset on their 2.6.x kernel? |
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| 14:22.28 | superlinux | hi all |
| 14:23.08 | RolandU | if I manually change the iptables, do I need to do anything to activate it? |
| 14:23.31 | superlinux | how can i add let things from my cache in squid to be sent at max speed while keeping stuff not in my cache to pass thru the delay pools |
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| 14:24.52 | jm_ | RolandU: you don't "change" iptables, you add/delete/modify iptables rules |
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| 14:25.19 | WindowsUninstall | Hi all |
| 14:25.27 | WindowsUninstall | base-config is broken? |
| 14:26.16 | abrotman | in sid/unstable? |
| 14:26.27 | WindowsUninstall | abrotman, No, in Testing PowerPC |
| 14:26.46 | abrotman | what part of it? |
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| 14:28.02 | superlinux | how can i add let things from my cache in squid to be sent at max speed while keeping stuff not in my cache to pass thru the delay pools |
| 14:28.05 | WindowsUninstall | abrotman, The package |
| 14:28.12 | tnks | panthera: I just realized you might be on here. |
| 14:28.37 | tnks | I probably should have checked here before sending out that E-mail to your hobby account. |
| 14:29.35 | RolandU | jm_, it seems to work now. I removed nearly all rules and only left a few and then it worked. |
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| 14:30.20 | panthera | tnks: hm? |
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| 14:32.30 | superlinux | hi all |
| 14:32.36 | superlinux | how can i add let things from my cache in squid to be sent at max speed while keeping stuff not in my cache to pass thru the delay pools? |
| 14:32.39 | valdyn | superlinux: you want to do what exactly? |
| 14:32.43 | valdyn | !repeat |
| 14:32.44 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:32.52 | superlinux | what i have is that the .. |
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| 14:33.21 | superlinux | any file in my cache should go to the clients at 100Mbps |
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| 14:33.35 | superlinux | while things which are not must go delayed |
| 14:33.43 | valdyn | superlinux: im sure that is the default already |
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| 14:34.03 | valdyn | superlinux: or is your internet connection 100 Mbps too? |
| 14:34.05 | superlinux | well that is not happening |
| 14:34.10 | superlinux | no |
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| 14:34.22 | superlinux | it's abt 0.5Mbps |
| 14:34.37 | valdyn | superlinux: looks to me like that file is not from squid's cache then |
| 14:34.54 | valdyn | superlinux: /var/log/squid/access.log should know |
| 14:34.58 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:35.16 | valdyn | superlinux: you're aware that squid does not even cache every file..? |
| 14:35.16 | justletters | what's the difference between debian and ubuntu except the packages? |
| 14:35.27 | superlinux | well no |
| 14:35.36 | valdyn | justletters: that organisational structure and the policy |
| 14:35.36 | tnks | panthera: I sent out just a little while about about your device-drive-check Debian Live CD blog. |
| 14:36.01 | superlinux | valdyn, i 'll be back, wanna change my clothes |
| 14:36.01 | justletters | valdyn: what defines that? the kernel? |
| 14:36.08 | justletters | the strucutre i mean.. |
| 14:36.20 | valdyn | justletters: the people maintaining the distro and they way they do it |
| 14:36.20 | tnks | panthera: just curious for what purpose you were planning on using a CD like that. |
| 14:37.12 | tnks | panthera: Normally, when I think of a Live CD, it's just for a portable operating system, but you seemed to have a different motivation. |
| 14:37.17 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:37.20 | panthera | tnks: my intensions are not about specifically a device-check-cd, but official debian live-medias |
| 14:37.27 | valdyn | justletters: the technical difference is not big at all. doesnt mean you can mix and match between those though |
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| 14:37.59 | panthera | tnks: whereas medias are cds, dvds, ubs-sticks etc. one purpose is to show a demo-system (as with those million of livecds as knoppix etc), |
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| 14:38.14 | valdyn | justletters: debian is maintained by 1000 volunteers, ubuntu is maintained by a few payed people |
| 14:38.25 | panthera | tnks: and another one is to have a small system handy to check for hardware compatibility |
| 14:38.25 | azeem | and some volunteers |
| 14:38.36 | valdyn | azeem: yea, true |
| 14:38.38 | superlinux | then what should i do? should i enlarge the object size? |
| 14:38.57 | superlinux | valdyn, then what should i do? should i enlarge the object size saved on the cache? |
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| 14:39.09 | justletters | valdyn: but you can say that debian is ubuntu.. so ubuntu would be maintained by 1000 volunteers And some payed people? |
| 14:39.13 | valdyn | justletters: i can maybe answer specific questions better, not going to enumerate all differences |
| 14:39.21 | valdyn | justletters: nope |
| 14:39.36 | justletters | ;( |
| 14:39.38 | tnks | panthera: hardware compatibility with your Live CD? Or something else? |
| 14:39.39 | panthera | tnks: and last but not least: there should be a debian live-media whichs is build of *only* *unmodified* *official* debian packages. all debian-based livecds do mix things or add things, so its not real debian anymore. |
| 14:39.53 | panthera | tnks: not with the livecd, with debian. |
| 14:40.04 | valdyn | justletters: software isnt like something that gets better or profits at all from additional 'work' put into it ) |
| 14:40.19 | valdyn | justletters: at least that is not the case automatically. |
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| 14:40.43 | xoz | justletters: ubuntu is based on debian... debian is the parent. |
| 14:41.09 | azeem | panthera: will your Live CD be based on d-i? |
| 14:41.22 | xoz | and ubuntu is the prodigal *son* |
| 14:41.37 | justletters | valdyn: well i was'nt talking about quality programming.. just the differences, i'm thinking about changing back but then i have to download all neat packages again :( |
| 14:42.07 | justletters | but i guess i can save dpkg -l in a file and shellscript it to download it all :) |
| 14:42.13 | panthera | azeem: i heard the first time of that, will read about it. if it makes sense (which I think so), then yes. |
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| 14:42.37 | azeem | panthera: ok. I think what Kamion did is a very nice demonstration of d-i |
| 14:42.49 | azeem | it would be the natural thing for an official Live-CD I guess |
| 14:42.56 | resiak | !tell justletters -about reinstall |
| 14:43.16 | panthera | azeem: agreed, and thanks for the hint in #d.d before ;) |
| 14:43.23 | justletters | oh that's a saver |
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| 14:43.43 | valdyn | superlinux: i dont know what you should do, maybe you want to enlarge the maximum object size, maybe you do not... |
| 14:43.59 | tnks | panthera: I think I follow where you're going with this. |
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| 14:45.51 | DownwardSpiral | Hello. I have a question about something. |
| 14:46.05 | DownwardSpiral | I'm sure one of the 800 people in this room have to be around. |
| 14:46.20 | Ronin | DownwardSpiral: best just to ask the question |
| 14:46.21 | epsilon | !ask |
| 14:46.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:46.24 | valdyn | !tell DownwardSpiral -about smart questions |
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| 14:46.36 | tnks | panthera: I was hoping it might relate to some solution to automatically generating a sensibly pruned .config file for anyone compiling a kernel from scratch. |
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| 14:47.08 | panthera | tnks: ummm.. i read a lot about 'autogenerating .config' on lkml |
| 14:47.53 | panthera | tnks: apart from not beeing primary interest of debian to help users by using *not* the binary-packages, i think its a very difficult task anyway |
| 14:48.18 | valdyn | its a waste of time too |
| 14:48.42 | justletters | okay check this. i reinstall debian on a fresh hdd. do the dog with reinstalling packages ..stuff and then copy my /home/tomas to /home/tomas. should that make an equal system? |
| 14:48.47 | justletters | think ubuntu to debian |
| 14:49.00 | azeem | justletters: modulo application spefic skews |
| 14:49.02 | DownwardSpiral | Alright. I looked at the APT How-To that Debian.org offers. But it doesn't really explain how to mount a DVD. I suspect that I have to mount it multiple times. I was wondering how to write that into sources.list. |
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| 14:49.18 | valdyn | justletters: as far as the ubuntu packages exist in the same form in debian, sure |
| 14:49.18 | DownwardSpiral | I'm new to both Linux and Debian, by the way. |
| 14:49.27 | azeem | justletters: if you run GNOME e.g., your .gconf tree might look slightly different to what Debian's GNOME expects |
| 14:49.37 | justletters | YES:SWEET.the snow falls in sweden |
| 14:49.42 | WindowsUninstall | I hate udev |
| 14:49.42 | valdyn | DownwardSpiral: you could just run 'apt-setup' |
| 14:49.46 | WindowsUninstall | Is very buggy |
| 14:49.56 | azeem | or apt-cdrom add |
| 14:50.29 | justletters | azeem: no i run kde :) i love kde |
| 14:50.31 | abrotman | udev rules! |
| 14:50.32 | tnks | panthera: I agree. I'll Google for the LKML discussion. I don't keep up with that forum, but I'll see what they have in mind. |
| 14:50.33 | DownwardSpiral | But "apt-cdrom add" just detects the disk. I think it keeps detecting the same mount. |
| 14:50.40 | DownwardSpiral | Do I have to do it multiple times though? |
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| 14:50.52 | azeem | justletters: well, could be the same there |
| 14:50.54 | epsilon | DownwardSpiral: what does "mount" output say? |
| 14:51.00 | panthera | tnks: there were several attempts whithin the last 2 years |
| 14:51.02 | azeem | justletters: from what Ubuntu version to what Debian version are you going to migrateß |
| 14:51.02 | epsilon | DownwardSpiral: is cd/dvd already mounted? |
| 14:51.08 | valdyn | justletters: the point you're probably missing is, even though ubuntu is very similar to debian, there's no way we can know about where exactly the differences are |
| 14:51.13 | DownwardSpiral | I would have to go run through it and copy it down. |
| 14:51.32 | justletters | valdyn: well there was an abstract context over the question |
| 14:51.50 | tnks | panthera: they just fizzled out? |
| 14:51.55 | azeem | justletters: it should mostly work, but some breakage could occur |
| 14:52.08 | DownwardSpiral | I suppose I will be right back. |
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| 14:52.23 | azeem | justletters: you could just move away the respective configuration files in your home directory and merge your customization by hand later on |
| 14:52.24 | justletters | azeem: okay :-) YES |
| 14:52.40 | tnks | panthera: this is kind of just a passive concern. I just think the number of options in the kernel has gotten a little unwieldy. It would be nice to have better management tools than what menuconfig and the like can offer. |
| 14:52.44 | panthera | tnks: yes, the arguments were mostly that its technically not worthwile to invest time in a priori broken autodetection |
| 14:52.47 | justletters | well i don't know about that.. i have'nt had linux for so long |
| 14:53.20 | WindowsUninstall | Someone know udev admin? |
| 14:53.26 | valdyn | justletters: do you really have a reason to switch distro? |
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| 14:53.34 | panthera | tnks: hm, that would be linux upstream anyway, not debian topic, imho. |
| 14:54.01 | azeem | WindowsUninstall: why? |
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| 14:54.31 | broomy | any good bittorrent program with GUI? where can i find it and so on? |
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| 14:54.41 | epsilon | broomy: azureus |
| 14:54.52 | WindowsUninstall | azeem, because udev is buggy |
| 14:54.54 | justletters | valdyn: ye i like learning stuff.. installing freebsd on my server now :):) |
| 14:54.56 | tnks | panthera: Sorry. I got off topic from talking about your blog entry. Thanks for the feedback. |
| 14:55.00 | broomy | epsilon, but it eats ram |
| 14:55.09 | panthera | tnks: you're welcome. |
| 14:55.10 | azeem | WindowsUninstall: so check the bts for the bugs you encounter, and file them if they are not reported yet |
| 14:55.14 | azeem | !bts |
| 14:55.14 | justletters | the cd is gone |
| 14:55.14 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 14:55.18 | epsilon | broomy: it's java, what do you expect :D |
| 14:55.23 | broomy | lol |
| 14:55.25 | broomy | is azerus om apt-get? |
| 14:55.40 | valdyn | justletters: uh, then just install debian, you'll figure out which packages dont 'match' and you're most likely able to fix that by hand, as about everything existing in ubuntu is in debian too |
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| 14:55.55 | epsilon | broomy: spurceforge |
| 14:55.57 | broomy | okay |
| 14:56.00 | epsilon | sourceforge |
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| 14:56.31 | epsilon | and install the jre binary from java.sun.com |
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| 14:57.36 | broomy | how was it you did so i can install newer software from apt-get instead of older,stable programs? |
| 14:57.42 | justletters | valdyn: okay the reason is all windows noobs on my school who likes gui are installing linux on their computers but does everything in the gui and never touches the terminal, so i want to be different from them. as i am |
| 14:57.46 | justletters | :P |
| 14:58.20 | justletters | they install ubuntu |
| 14:58.21 | epsilon | broomy: tell apt-get to take testing package |
| 14:58.22 | valdyn | justletters: those people wont learn anything about unix then.. |
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| 14:58.46 | broomy | epsilon, how? note im new to debian |
| 14:58.56 | epsilon | broomy: man apt-get |
| 14:59.01 | broomy | oki |
| 14:59.14 | DownwardSpiral | Alright. It scans for index files and it comes up with Woody/i386/Binary-1 |
| 14:59.16 | epsilon | broomy: but I won't recommend at all to install sigle package (+ dependencies) to stable |
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| 14:59.24 | justletters | valdyn: well i should'nt say anything.. i just know basic stuff like compiling and shellscripting ;-) |
| 14:59.25 | azeem | DownwardSpiral: woody is obsolete |
| 14:59.35 | broomy | epsilon, what do you mean? |
| 14:59.42 | epsilon | broomy: you will end up in half stable / half testing mashine |
| 14:59.56 | epsilon | broomy: which will suck |
| 14:59.57 | azeem | broomy: see whether the program you need is on www.backports.org |
| 15:00.05 | broomy | epsilon, oh ok, ill stick to stable then |
| 15:00.05 | DownwardSpiral | I know. I am getting Sarge right now. Just thought I would figure this out with Woody so I will be able to get Sarge done without a hitch. |
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| 15:00.14 | epsilon | broomy: try debootstrap instead |
| 15:00.16 | DownwardSpiral | Although I will not be using a DVD with Sarge. |
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| 15:00.37 | raf256 | I think I found a bug in glib |
| 15:00.44 | raf256 | how can I check exact version of glib? |
| 15:00.45 | epsilon | broomy: creates debian installation in chroot environment, which you can upgrade to testing / unstable |
| 15:00.52 | raf256 | of libglib-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0xb7109000) |
| 15:01.06 | azeem | epsilon: I don't think we should recommend debootsrap to novice users |
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| 15:01.53 | epsilon | broomy: are you new in debian or linux? |
| 15:02.01 | valdyn | raf256: dpkg -l packagename ? |
| 15:02.29 | raf256 | valdyn: what is the package name? not libglib glib |
| 15:02.38 | DownwardSpiral | The reason I think that I need to mount it in multiple locations is because when I get done with trackcel and it runs through the package list. It gives me a lot of errors. I know that I am supposed to run through each disk because the packages spread out over the multiple disks and just installing the disks incomplete will make the packages not work. |
| 15:02.41 | azeem | libglib2.0 |
| 15:02.42 | valdyn | !tell raf256 -about search |
| 15:02.44 | azeem | -0 or -dev |
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| 15:06.22 | abrotman | !moo |
| 15:06.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 15:07.32 | Teklap | After I've created my RAID array in the setup.. when I'm all done.. how do I address that array? By one of the drives? |
| 15:07.42 | jes-o-mat | lol |
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| 15:07.48 | abrotman | whihc kind of RAID? |
| 15:07.53 | Teklap | RAID1 |
| 15:08.02 | abrotman | hw or sw? |
| 15:08.05 | Teklap | sw |
| 15:08.14 | abrotman | probably md# |
| 15:08.19 | valdyn | Teklap: /dev/md0 for the first |
| 15:08.22 | abrotman | but i don't use sw raid .. so nfc |
| 15:08.29 | jes-o-mat | cat /proc/mdstats |
| 15:08.32 | jes-o-mat | cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 15:08.48 | Teklap | Yeah I see it |
| 15:08.51 | Teklap | mdstat |
| 15:08.54 | jes-o-mat | there you see all raid devices + status |
| 15:09.14 | superlinux | valdyn, are you still there? |
| 15:09.21 | valdyn | superlinux: yes |
| 15:09.26 | superlinux | valdyn, if i used tcng (kernel traffic shaper) and squid on the same box will the cache be accesed at max speed? or will tcng be in front of squid, delaying the cache access? |
| 15:09.29 | Teklap | So what filesystem type should it be mounted as? |
| 15:09.49 | valdyn | superlinux: why do you think you need traffic shaping for this? |
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| 15:10.09 | superlinux | well we sell speed in our neighbourhood |
| 15:10.32 | broomy | i hear that it is risky to do a apt-get upgrade now? is this some myth or is it true? |
| 15:10.36 | superlinux | and we in lebanon have the internet thru satillite very expensive |
| 15:10.45 | coolpix | lo |
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| 15:11.29 | valdyn | superlinux: tcng wont make your cache faster if your network bandwidth is not even fully used |
| 15:11.32 | rilat | Is it possible to install Sid directly from a CD, or Etch has to be installed first and then apt-get dist-upgrade to Sid? |
| 15:11.53 | Teklap | valdyn: What filesystem type shoul dI mount /dev/md0 as? |
| 15:12.08 | jes-o-mat | Teklap: first you have to create an filesystem |
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| 15:12.12 | valdyn | Teklap: whichever you created on it |
| 15:12.23 | jes-o-mat | or you already did, of course =) |
| 15:12.30 | Teklap | oh |
| 15:12.31 | Teklap | Duh |
| 15:12.36 | Teklap | I got it from here :D |
| 15:12.43 | superlinux | valdyn, i know that |
| 15:12.47 | Coweater | rilat: there are unnofficial installers available, the "right" method is to upgrade |
| 15:12.48 | valdyn | rilat: instal lsarge first if you can |
| 15:12.51 | superlinux | abiut max usage |
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| 15:13.07 | jes-o-mat | Teklap: just try mounting it without specifing a filesystem |
| 15:13.11 | valdyn | superlinux: tcng is only a tool to set up traffic shaping |
| 15:13.11 | rilat | Coweater, thanks |
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| 15:13.36 | superlinux | so it'll be in front of squid? ha? |
| 15:13.38 | Teklap | Yeah I didn't mk2fs yet |
| 15:13.39 | Teklap | Thanks |
| 15:13.40 | Teklap | I got it |
| 15:13.51 | rilat | valdyn, better from Sarge to Sid than Etch to Sid? |
| 15:13.59 | superlinux | cos after i tested it that what happened |
| 15:14.07 | valdyn | superlinux: no, it will shape any network packets you want to shape |
| 15:14.29 | valdyn | rilat: no idea, but the only reliable installer is the sarge installer |
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| 15:14.54 | rilat | valdyn, aha, ok thanks |
| 15:15.20 | superlinux | and we dont wanna let any body to take control the bandwidth |
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| 15:16.00 | valdyn | superlinux: traffic shaping is probably even with tcng not trivial, see http://www.lartc.org |
| 15:16.02 | superlinux | and let others be starving or thirsty |
| 15:16.09 | superlinux | i know |
| 15:16.27 | superlinux | i am gonna pull my hair off! |
| 15:16.35 | superlinux | from tc and tcng |
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| 15:17.30 | nixie | superlinux, try wondershaper |
| 15:17.42 | superlinux | valdyn, thanks for ur help all |
| 15:18.21 | superlinux | well i want things be shaped per IP and keeping cache access fast |
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| 15:18.47 | valdyn | superlinux: since your 100mbit line wont be saturated by your internet i cant see how your cache could be slowed down. |
| 15:19.08 | valdyn | superlinux: on top of that you want to shape traffic by IP i guess, where by connection is the 'default' |
| 15:19.13 | superlinux | cos i shape on the side of my clients valdyn |
| 15:19.22 | superlinux | ok?! |
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| 15:19.34 | adamt | i got a debian etch machine running, but initiating a connectino to the servers takes between 10-30 seconds, no matter if it's ssh, mysql.. etc.. but http access is normal.. any ideas what i have done wrong? :P |
| 15:19.49 | superlinux | i am selling speeds |
| 15:20.09 | valdyn | superlinux: look into wondershaper though, that is ( one part at least ) to avoid lags due to large caches in some dsl routers |
| 15:20.21 | azeem | adamt: check whether /etc/hosts lists 127.0.0.1 localhost or something |
| 15:20.27 | azeem | it might time out on trying to resolve itself |
| 15:20.32 | valdyn | superlinux: s/routers/modems/ |
| 15:20.38 | superlinux | ok |
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| 15:21.20 | adamt | azeem: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 15:21.30 | pengol | where do I put defaults for the adduser command? |
| 15:21.51 | petemc | pengol: /etc/adduser.conf |
| 15:21.58 | petemc | surprisingly |
| 15:22.06 | scooper | hello all, is there a chan for help ? becoz i ve a problem with debian sid :s |
| 15:22.12 | pengol | petemc: thankz :) |
| 15:22.29 | pengol | petemc: I was looking under /etc/defaults |
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| 15:23.22 | AM|R | hi.. im want to install gcc.. beside gcc what package should i installed? |
| 15:23.28 | resiak | !b-e AM|R |
| 15:23.29 | dpkg | AM|R: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 15:23.30 | adamt | azeem: is quite weird, a mate of mine claims that the mysql connections takes half a second from the other end of the country, while it still takes a while from my laptop |
| 15:23.49 | resiak | scooper: This is it. Have you /msg dpkg sid faq and read that yet? |
| 15:23.52 | AM|R | thansk |
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| 15:25.20 | superlinux | valdyn, but who will be working on a packet first? squid or tcng? |
| 15:25.28 | superlinux | that what i wanna know |
| 15:25.33 | valdyn | superlinux: depends on your setup |
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| 15:26.14 | valdyn | superlinux: network interface <-> tcng <-> squid <->tcng <-> other network interface |
| 15:26.52 | superlinux | that is my setup, without the sec tcng |
| 15:27.08 | superlinux | like this: network interface <-> tcng <-> squid <->other network interface |
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| 15:27.14 | valdyn | superlinux: you will have to do something like have squid mark packages comeing from cache but not internet so those dont get limited as internet traffic is supposed to be limited |
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| 15:27.32 | salseeg | hi all |
| 15:28.13 | salseeg | who knows what packet contains /sbin/nwepgen |
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| 15:28.30 | Blackhold | hello |
| 15:28.39 | Eulex | !tell salseeg about search |
| 15:28.52 | valdyn | superlinux: then tcng can decide by looking at the MARK if that network packet is to be fast ( cached ) or shaped ( coming from internet ) |
| 15:29.01 | scooper | i have a sound problem, im running debian sid with kernel 2.4.27, before i used oss with arts (kde) and the sound was ok but i ve installed alsa and i ve no sound so i remove alsa and modules alsa file in /Etc/modutils/ and modprobe.d but now, no module load and i have no sound, /dev/dsp isn't exists :s how can i put oss back ? |
| 15:29.24 | Maulkin | salseeg: linux-wlan-ng |
| 15:29.27 | Eulex | salseeg, in this case, it's apt-file that will do what you want |
| 15:29.32 | Blackhold | How can I make the resolution of control+alt+F1-F5 terms bigger? now I have it to 800x600, and I would like to make possible to set to 1024x768 or to 1280x1024 |
| 15:29.40 | Eulex | !drxx Blackhold |
| 15:29.40 | dpkg | Blackhold: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:29.43 | superlinux | valdyn, u mean i have to patch squid? |
| 15:30.01 | valdyn | superlinux: no, squid can do that without a special patch afaik |
| 15:30.05 | Blackhold | but that is for the x windows?! |
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| 15:30.10 | salseeg | Eulex, Maulkin, tnx ;) |
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| 15:30.21 | Eulex | Blackhold, ah. my mistake. |
| 15:30.39 | Maulkin | Blackhold: change your boot parameters |
| 15:30.47 | superlinux | valdyn, how? |
| 15:30.49 | Maulkin | Blackhold: Are you using grub or lilo? |
| 15:30.50 | Blackhold | where?! |
| 15:30.54 | Blackhold | grub |
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| 15:30.57 | superlinux | which option? |
| 15:31.04 | Dimka | When Debian starting I got error "Mounting local Filesystems... failed!" |
| 15:31.20 | Dimka | What it mean? |
| 15:31.39 | Eulex | Blackhold, to make the resolution of a linux console bigger, you'll have to change the video mode that vesafb uses. |
| 15:31.46 | valdyn | superlinux: wrong channel, or just read http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 15:31.46 | valdyn | superlinux: #iptables maybe |
| 15:31.46 | Maulkin | In that case, it's in /boot/grub/menu.lst IIRC |
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| 15:32.00 | superlinux | ok |
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| 15:32.01 | salseeg | Dimka: you have compiled support of your root fs as module |
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| 15:32.08 | cappiz | with mdadm.... is it possible to extend an raid 5 array? |
| 15:32.16 | valdyn | superlinux: err, or #squid |
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| 15:32.30 | Eulex | Blackhold, http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~gerald/laptop/vesafb.txt |
| 15:32.31 | Dimka | I must install fs? |
| 15:32.36 | Dimka | Or reinstall? |
| 15:32.39 | stew | Dimka: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:32.40 | superlinux | valdyn, i am in squid, replies are not as fast as yours |
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| 15:33.03 | Dimka | 2.4.27-1-386 |
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| 15:33.21 | salseeg | Dimka: stop, i was wrong... at boot time filesystems in your /etc/fstab inaccessible |
| 15:33.50 | salseeg | Dimka: some of them |
| 15:34.13 | Dimka | sanks |
| 15:34.30 | eyeris | After upgrading my unstable installation to KDE 3.5.1, amarok now claims that the xine engine cannot play MP3 files. Is this a common problem? |
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| 15:34.48 | Eulex | eyeris, checked the bts? |
| 15:34.52 | paines | eyeris, try to load libmad0 and libxine1c2 |
| 15:35.00 | paines | s/load/install |
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| 15:35.21 | eyeris | Eulex, Yeah, for amarok. Usually I report these and then they are marked as duplicates of a bug in another package. |
| 15:35.23 | eyeris | paines, Ok. |
| 15:35.30 | Teklap | So now my questin is.. how do I test this RAID redundancy ? |
| 15:35.32 | Blackhold | Eulex: if I use a nv card |
| 15:35.39 | Blackhold | this will be different? |
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| 15:35.41 | scooper | i have a sound problem, im running debian sid with kernel 2.4.27, before i used oss with arts (kde) and the sound was ok but i ve installed alsa and i ve no sound so i remove alsa and modules alsa file in /Etc/modutils/ and modprobe.d but now, no module load and i have no sound, /dev/dsp isn't exists :s how can i put oss back ? |
| 15:35.42 | ac3 | Hi |
| 15:35.47 | Eulex | Blackhold, no, I don't think so |
| 15:35.57 | Teklap | Seeing that the drives were not given an ext filesystem type |
| 15:36.13 | adamt | why can't i set my hostname with "hostname example.com", "hostname example" (without the tld) works .. ? :s |
| 15:36.21 | adamt | "hostname: the specified hostname is invalid" |
| 15:36.22 | eyeris | libmad0 already at newest version; libxine1c2 does not exist |
| 15:36.38 | poli | Teklap: I can try to answer, but you will have to rephrase and get all the elements you want in one only phrase, please... I can't follow your full statements. |
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| 15:36.52 | Teklap | Well |
| 15:37.04 | Teklap | How do I confirm both drives are beeing written to? |
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| 15:37.12 | Teklap | other than checking /proc/mdstat |
| 15:37.18 | Eulex | scooper, when you tried using alsa, did you install the alsa modules for your kernel? |
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| 15:37.25 | Teklap | Can I not mount one of the drives in the array? |
| 15:37.31 | poli | Teklap: I need more info... Are you using software RAID? Which RAID? How many drives? |
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| 15:37.36 | Teklap | YEah |
| 15:37.37 | Teklap | Sorry |
| 15:37.38 | Blackhold | Eulex: in what file should be that? |
| 15:37.46 | Teklap | Software RAID1 |
| 15:37.50 | Teklap | 2drives |
| 15:37.55 | poli | Teklap: Please try to say all in only only line, so I don't have to seek your phrases. |
| 15:38.14 | Eulex | Blackhold, are you using grub or lilo? |
| 15:38.24 | Teklap | poli a bot? |
| 15:38.25 | Teklap | :| |
| 15:38.28 | Blackhold | grub |
| 15:38.36 | poli | Teklap: No, just short attention spans... :) |
| 15:38.38 | abrotman | Teklap: did you read the sw raid HOWTO ? |
| 15:38.50 | Teklap | Heh |
| 15:39.11 | poli | Teklap: Well, anyway, you can simulate a drive failure with mdadm |
| 15:39.32 | ac3 | I have just installed debian sarge (netinst bootdisk) on a dell poweredge 2850. The megaraid2 module is loaded by the 2.4 kernel, however when i install a 2.6 kernel i get a warning that the megaraid2 module cannot be found. Booting the 2.6 kernel panics. The 2.6 kernel does have a 'megaraid.ko' module. I´ve read somewhere that megaraid2 is replaced by megaraid. How can i make sure my 2.6 kernel uses that megaraid.ko module when booting? |
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| 15:39.41 | poli | Teklap: and it will take one of your drives offline. Or you can physically disconnect one of the drives and check if the other boots/works |
| 15:39.42 | Teklap | Checking on it now |
| 15:39.51 | Eulex | Blackhold, then edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst to add the vga=whatever to the kernel options (that is, after kernel /boot/vmlinuz-... root=/dev/whatever ro) |
| 15:39.53 | Teklap | Well |
| 15:39.58 | Teklap | thing I don't get is.. |
| 15:40.07 | Kurtism | I wonder if you can make mdadm create a REAL LIVE Drive Failure |
| 15:40.11 | Teklap | hda4 Primary Linux raid autodetect |
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| 15:40.25 | Teklap | The drive doesn't have an ext3 filesystem typ |
| 15:40.25 | Kurtism | cause the drive to really really fail and die |
| 15:40.44 | poli | Kurtism: No, but you can make the drive fail (virtually) and then you can disconnect it (online if you have hotswap) |
| 15:40.58 | _ideafix_ | how do i get debian hacker free ? |
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| 15:41.07 | Kurtism | hacker free? |
| 15:41.07 | Ronin | hacker free? |
| 15:41.13 | Kurtism | wtf |
| 15:41.19 | Kurtism | turn off all services |
| 15:41.23 | _ideafix_ | you know what im talking about Ronin |
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| 15:41.30 | Ronin | no i dont _ideafix_ |
| 15:41.30 | _ideafix_ | :) |
| 15:41.35 | _ideafix_ | yes you do |
| 15:41.42 | Kurtism | unplug your network cable |
| 15:41.47 | Kurtism | it will be hacker free then |
| 15:41.52 | mboso | \exit |
| 15:41.54 | _ideafix_ | ofcourse you will denny it :) |
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| 15:42.37 | Ronin | uh ya ok |
| 15:42.48 | scooper | i have a sound problem, im running debian sid with kernel 2.4.27, before i used oss with arts (kde) and the sound was ok but i ve installed alsa and i ve no sound so i remove alsa and modules alsa file in /Etc/modutils/ and modprobe.d but now, no module load and i have no sound, /dev/dsp isn't exists :s how can i put oss back ? |
| 15:43.03 | resiak | !tell scooper -about repeat |
| 15:43.05 | Eulex | _ideafix_, the only way to make any operating system 100% secure is to remove all connections with other machines or at least with non-trusted machines. |
| 15:43.16 | scooper | Eulex, i ve made apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-oss |
| 15:43.39 | poli | Teklap: Ok. It is way too difficult to follow your sentences, but that I will tell you... Your "real" partitions, the ones where the RAID will be physically written, must be that type (Linux RAID), so, it seems right to have /dev/hda4 as Linux RAID. Then the kernel detect such partitions on boot time, it will get all the matching IDs into the array automagically, then it will create /dev/md0 /dev/md1 etc, that you should see as mounted using mount |
| 15:43.45 | _ideafix_ | Eulex: that the haxors always say :) |
| 15:43.46 | Eulex | scooper, on a 2.4 kernel, you'll need the alsa modules for your kernel too. |
| 15:43.54 | _ideafix_ | Eulex: thats what haxors always say :) |
| 15:43.55 | Eulex | _ideafix_, it'r true |
| 15:44.01 | Eulex | *it's |
| 15:44.04 | Ronin | _ideafix_: stop taking your meds man they're making you paranoid |
| 15:44.08 | Teklap | I see it mounted |
| 15:44.30 | poli | ideafix weren't you banned from #suse for trolling one? |
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| 15:44.30 | _ideafix_ | Ronin: lol |
| 15:44.38 | Teklap | I'm now asking, if I wanted to mount one of the partitions in the array to see the data on it.. how do I do that? |
| 15:44.41 | poli | once |
| 15:44.41 | azeem | _ideafix_: you should lookup what the term 'hacker' really means |
| 15:44.58 | _ideafix_ | it means peeps snoops and the sort |
| 15:44.59 | ac3 | should i compile my kernel? |
| 15:45.03 | poli | Teklap: You can mount /dev/hda4, yes, do do that Read Only. |
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| 15:45.13 | scooper | eulex, the problem is i don't want to use alsa :s i want to put oss back but i think that alsa delete all snd-xxx entry in modules.conf |
| 15:45.13 | poli | Teklap: Or better yet... mount /dev/md0 itself |
| 15:45.18 | resiak | scooper: Why do you want OSS? |
| 15:45.22 | Eulex | !iyhtays ac3 |
| 15:45.22 | dpkg | ac3: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 15:45.28 | ac3 | I would thing that if the debian 2.4 kernel worls, the 2.6 kernel should also work, no? |
| 15:45.28 | Teklap | But... what filesystem type should it be mounted as? |
| 15:45.28 | poli | Teklap: But take out the other HD drive before doing that. |
| 15:45.30 | resiak | !debian kernel image |
| 15:45.30 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 15:45.51 | ac3 | Eulex: read my post above please |
| 15:45.54 | poli | Teklap: Don't mount /dev/hda4 directly. It will be /dev/md* even if you only have one drive. |
| 15:46.09 | Teklap | Yeah I know |
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| 15:46.14 | Teklap | I'm gonna take the other one out now |
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| 15:46.22 | scooper | resiak, alsa said that its don't find my sound card, its a ac97 |
| 15:46.27 | resiak | !ac97 |
| 15:46.28 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 15:46.33 | Teklap | But when I boot again, what filesystem type will it be? |
| 15:46.39 | resiak | scooper: Use a 2.6 kernel... |
| 15:46.40 | azeem | ac3: did you put megaraid into /etc/modules? |
| 15:47.09 | Gnea | ac3: you should install using the 2.6 kernel, not the 2.4 kernel |
| 15:47.28 | scooper | resiak, i can't :'( :'( my wifi adapter don't work in 2.6 kernel :s problem with usb |
| 15:47.35 | ac3 | Gnea: should i reinstall then? |
| 15:47.39 | ac3 | azeem: no i did not |
| 15:47.40 | Eulex | scooper, alsa is vastly superior to oss. you can (1) uninstall alsa to go back to use oss (2) install the alsa-modules for your kernel and run alsaconf to try out alsa for real |
| 15:47.58 | resiak | scooper: What card is it? |
| 15:48.22 | scooper | resiak, via82cxxxx |
| 15:48.35 | resiak | scooper: Your wlan card |
| 15:48.36 | scooper | Eulex, im trying to install modules |
| 15:48.38 | ac3 | azeem: should i?, the megaraid2 module from the 2.4 kernel isn´t there |
| 15:48.55 | sandman | How does one use the bit-architecture of a CPU to determine how much memory it can address? |
| 15:48.59 | azeem | ac3: you could try, dunno if it helps |
| 15:49.09 | Eulex | scooper, apt-cache search alsa-modules and pick the one that matches your kernel |
| 15:49.14 | azeem | ac3: maybe it is supposed to be in the initrd |
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| 15:49.42 | ac3 | azeem: i think so |
| 15:49.48 | scooper | resiak, sitecom wl012, on website it's written to put a newer firmwire on it, that i made, but don't work all way :s |
| 15:49.56 | scooper | Eulex, ok |
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| 15:50.07 | adamt | azeem: you didn't have any other ideas about the possible timeout on the server? |
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| 15:50.16 | ac3 | if initrd loads a module, should that module be loaded by the kernel too then? |
| 15:50.18 | nvz__ | sandman: the more bits the larger your address pages can be |
| 15:50.33 | azeem | adamt: no, sorry |
| 15:50.38 | abrotman | nvz__: come to -ot! |
| 15:50.44 | nvz__ | abrotman: no |
| 15:50.47 | azeem | adamt: is e.g. running "sudo foo" slow as well? |
| 15:50.50 | resiak | nvz__: c'mon |
| 15:50.51 | abrotman | nvz__: fine! |
| 15:51.19 | abrotman | azeem: is there a place that shows what is supposed to flow into etch today? |
| 15:51.21 | ac3 | When i install a debian kernel, does it create an initrd based on the loaded modules? |
| 15:51.22 | azeem | ac3: how did you install the 2.6 kernel? Official Debian linux-image? |
| 15:51.32 | ac3 | yes, official stable |
| 15:51.36 | Xteven | hello, is there a partman ninja here ? |
| 15:51.36 | azeem | abrotman: hrm, I don't know |
| 15:51.49 | abrotman | okee |
| 15:51.50 | azeem | abrotman: you could extract it from output_* maybe |
| 15:51.52 | nvz | abrotman: the package manifest :P |
| 15:51.55 | sandman | No I mean to calculate literally how many megabytes it can address/ |
| 15:52.01 | abrotman | azeem: i meant on the ftp site |
| 15:52.05 | Daveman | hey abrotman |
| 15:52.09 | scooper | Eulex, it's ok ive installed alsa module, alsa base and alsa utils |
| 15:52.09 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:52.09 | nvz | at least thats what we used at fedex |
| 15:52.18 | Eulex | scooper, ok, then run alsaconf |
| 15:52.23 | scooper | Eulex, i ve run alsaconf and alsamixer |
| 15:52.34 | cappiz | with mdadm.... is it possible to extend an raid 5 array? |
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| 15:52.36 | adamt | azeem: nice! found the problem myself :) |
| 15:52.42 | Eulex | scooper, and did it detect your sound card? |
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| 15:52.47 | dvs | scooper: after installing alsa-modules? |
| 15:52.56 | scooper | Eulex, yes, there are a lot of new modules in lsmod |
| 15:52.57 | adamt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:53.09 | Eulex | scooper, then sound should be working. |
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| 15:53.27 | sandman | Does debootstrap start any services by default? |
| 15:53.36 | sandman | Is there a way to make apt-get dist-upgrade _not_ start any services when it is done? |
| 15:53.42 | Xteven | maybe someone can tell me where I can go to ask about a partman problem ? |
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| 15:53.47 | epsilon | sandman: the installation of packages do, yes |
| 15:53.56 | sandman | Or, lastly, is there a way to shutdown init without shutting down the computer? That is, to stop _all services_, but not shut down the computer. |
| 15:54.03 | scooper | Eulex, it's working now thx a lot |
| 15:54.10 | justin | sandman: shutdown without using -h |
| 15:54.16 | nvz | abrotman: I'll tell you what I am going to do though.. is go to the store while I am waiting on my lumberjack to wake up and chop me some trees to put some smoke in my chimney |
| 15:54.17 | Eulex | scooper, you're welcome :) |
| 15:54.17 | epsilon | sandman: like if you install apache, it will started in postinstall |
| 15:54.18 | scooper | Eulex, how to make arts to use alsa now ? |
| 15:54.47 | Eulex | scooper, I don't know. most of the time you don't need to use arts at all, as alsa itself does software mixing when needed. |
| 15:54.53 | sandman | So within a chroot that I deboostrapped, I can just run "shutdown", without the -h, and it'll stop all services? |
| 15:55.05 | sandman | I can run dist-upgrades and the like and use shutdown to stop it all, and then start as needed? |
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| 15:55.12 | justin | sandman: hahaha, no |
| 15:55.39 | Eulex | sandman, you can stop and start services using the scripts in /etc/init.d/ |
| 15:55.58 | epsilon | sandman: find out processes in chroot via ps, then stop the services with /etc/init.d/<script> |
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| 15:56.43 | sandman | There's no single command I can give, unless I script it somehow? |
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| 15:57.03 | Eulex | sandman, I don't think so. |
| 15:57.06 | sandman | How to use ps to see all processes within a specific chroot? |
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| 15:57.17 | grandma | i've installed package: spca5xx-modules-2.6.15-1-k7, and it supplies the spca5xx kernel module to /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/media/spca5xx.ko (for a USB webcam). however when i `modprobe spca5xx` it says "FATAL: Module spca5xx not found." what am i doing wrong? |
| 15:57.30 | epsilon | sandman: well you *could* kill the prcoess... |
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| 15:57.43 | sandman | Right but what if I have apache running twice? |
| 15:57.46 | sandman | One within a chroot and one not? |
| 15:57.51 | sandman | How do I know which one is which? |
| 15:58.01 | sandman | Another question is: Do virtual-servers share resoruces with the host computer? |
| 15:58.01 | epsilon | sandman: ps |
| 15:58.15 | epsilon | sandman: it'll show the root |
| 15:58.26 | epsilon | sandman: like / or /chroot |
| 15:58.29 | sandman | Does using a chroot allow resources to be shared between, say, X sessions running in chroot and not? |
| 15:58.34 | sandman | epsilon: Good, that works, thank you. |
| 15:58.39 | Eulex | grandma, running depmod -ae might help |
| 15:58.57 | cisee | sandman: Vservers can be configured to share resources |
| 15:59.10 | grandma | Eulex: what's -a? |
| 15:59.38 | Glanzmann | grandma: All |
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| 16:00.19 | grandma | cool, that seems to have loaded the module |
| 16:00.27 | Eulex | crashbg[work], english please |
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| 16:00.47 | grandma | Eulex: thanks |
| 16:01.23 | Eulex | grandma, yw :) |
| 16:01.56 | sandman | cisee: Is it less secure that way? |
| 16:02.29 | cisee | sandman: probably a bit if an exploit comes along involving those resources, but i haven't seen any examples of it |
| 16:02.34 | abrotman | nvz: ok |
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| 16:05.33 | sandman | Hm. It appears that cron-apt should just work out of the box. Is this true? |
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| 16:05.45 | lee_ | how did you get a box! |
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| 16:05.48 | bcc | hey guys, is there any app that could log network requests by process? |
| 16:06.00 | lee_ | mine came over the internet :( |
| 16:06.10 | epsilon | cron-apt is badly configured in default IIRC - and documentation? none |
| 16:06.17 | bcc | i have a strong feeling one of the firefox extensions i'm running sends my browsing history somewhere |
| 16:06.21 | lee_ | bcc, /var/log/daemon.log |
| 16:06.36 | lee_ | bcc, as root: 'netstat -antup' |
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| 16:07.15 | bcc | yeah, i know i can list opened sockets, but can it log all traffic for a given process? |
| 16:07.30 | bcc | like tcpdump but with an option to capture only packets from or to a given app |
| 16:07.47 | epsilon | sandman: I can query you default config works for me if you wnat |
| 16:07.57 | lee_ | that'd be cool. I never thought of it |
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| 16:08.13 | lee_ | are network sockets that smart? |
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| 16:08.35 | bcc | network sockets don't need to know that |
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| 16:09.23 | lee_ | I use ngrep a lot. you can try and match some patterns if you know them... |
| 16:09.52 | cisee | keep browsing to a particular url and ngrep for it |
| 16:10.20 | bcc | ok, thanks. |
| 16:10.35 | TinyGuy | Can anyone help me? |
| 16:10.35 | TinyGuy | The debian netinst cd won't find my harddrives :( |
| 16:10.42 | bcc | i just set up a new site and visited one of it's inner pages. and a few hours later, i see hits from another location for that exact page |
| 16:10.55 | bcc | and it's not public and there is no way to get to that page without hitting the home page |
| 16:10.57 | dvs | TinyGuy: try the testing netinst CD. you chipset is too new. |
| 16:11.00 | bcc | scary shit :) |
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| 16:11.10 | lee_ | bcc, you'd be suprised at robots on the web |
| 16:11.20 | lee_ | it's not unusual |
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| 16:11.33 | bcc | lee_: nah, whatever made that hit had to know the exact page name |
| 16:11.43 | bcc | lee_: i just added that page a few hours ago |
| 16:11.46 | TinyGuy | ok, thx will try that |
| 16:11.50 | lee_ | what was the referer? |
| 16:11.54 | bcc | no referer |
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| 16:12.06 | lee_ | neato! |
| 16:12.09 | soon | Im also trying to install using a netinst - during Installing kernel - retrieving and installing it freezes at 82% ... has happened twice now (asus M6800n laptop) |
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| 16:13.53 | soon | any ideas? |
| 16:14.08 | cisee | did you boot linux or linux26 ? |
| 16:14.19 | sandman | epsilon: Please do |
| 16:14.21 | soon | dont know |
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| 16:14.33 | Ronin | likely linux then |
| 16:14.48 | soon | during boot I just pressed enter when asked to |
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| 16:15.27 | soon | btw is the current kernel version not 2.6.12 or there abouts, rather than 2.4.27? |
| 16:15.53 | lee_ | soon, go to www.kernel.org |
| 16:15.54 | dvs | soon: in sarge, there's 2.4.27 and there's 2.6.8 |
| 16:15.56 | cisee | 2.6.15 |
| 16:16.02 | cisee | soon: i would boot it linux26 and see what happens |
| 16:16.06 | lee_ | and don't build your own kernel! |
| 16:16.11 | soon | how do I do that |
| 16:17.05 | soon | 26 that is |
| 16:17.05 | azeem | do wht? |
| 16:17.05 | zarchne | bcc: you could run firefox as a separate user and then use owner in iptables to log. |
| 16:17.05 | soon | boot linux26 |
| 16:17.05 | cisee | when the installer screen comes up and asks you to hit enter to boot |
| 16:17.05 | somePriest | Hello. Can mutt read mail directories as made by THunderbird? I see in ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/rtdmi19v.default/Mail I have a "Local Folders/" and a mail.cogeco.ca/ directory. In mutt I hit c, and then paste any of these three paths, and mutt says its not a mailbox. |
| 16:17.05 | azeem | soon: type "linux26" at the boot prompt |
| 16:17.06 | cisee | yeah |
| 16:17.06 | soon | okay dokay will do |
| 16:17.06 | azeem | instead of just hitting enter |
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| 16:19.01 | cr3 | how can I disable a hotplug module? visor keeps being loaded when I plug in my palm :( |
| 16:19.13 | azeem | read up on blacklisting |
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| 16:19.25 | azeem | it is dependent on what version of udev/hotplug you use, though |
| 16:19.26 | lee_ | !hotplug |
| 16:19.26 | dpkg | from memory, hotplug is a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover |
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| 16:20.14 | Guerin | !hotplug is also now replaced by udev in etch+ |
| 16:20.14 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 16:21.06 | brrr | hi |
| 16:21.24 | GutterPunk | Hi, how can I reconfigure my networking? I'm looking for the dialog based setup thingy |
| 16:21.27 | lee_ | udev + hal are in sarge too |
| 16:21.28 | somePriest | Maybe the Thunderbird mail storage is not compatible with mutt? |
| 16:21.33 | soon | is reiserfs faster than ext3 ?? |
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| 16:21.47 | lee_ | somePriest, they both use mbox files |
| 16:21.50 | cr3 | GutterPunk: what's etch+ |
| 16:21.56 | xam | soon is a bmw faster than a mercedes? |
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| 16:22.02 | epsilon | GutterPunk: networking is big, what exactly? |
| 16:22.03 | xam | soon: it depends |
| 16:22.12 | cr3 | Guerin: in Sarge, it seems that udev depends on hotplug |
| 16:22.13 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:22.13 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:22.16 | lee_ | GutterPunk, man 5 interfaces |
| 16:22.21 | GutterPunk | epsilon, modules to load at boot, address settings |
| 16:22.28 | soon | ... okay then .,.. what would you recommend for a bog-standard laptop |
| 16:22.29 | Guerin | cr3: etch+ means 'etch and everything more recent' |
| 16:22.32 | lee_ | !tell GutterPunk about interfaces |
| 16:22.36 | somePriest | lee_ : I'm at work now, SSH'd into my machine. How do I get mutt to read the mail folders made by thunderbird? |
| 16:22.54 | lee_ | you tell mutt to read the mail folders made by thunderbird. |
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| 16:23.03 | lee_ | by consulting the mutt manual |
| 16:23.05 | GutterPunk | alright thanks |
| 16:23.07 | epsilon | GutterPunk: by modules you mean driver of NIC or iptables? |
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| 16:23.38 | nisc | hi Ive just updated from xserver-xorg 6.8.2 to 6.9.0. now moving windows lags like hell and closing windows is also slow (background needs some time to be redrawn). I use the built in nv module. any ideas? |
| 16:23.54 | cisee | downgrade ? |
| 16:23.55 | Guerin | nisc: check BTS |
| 16:23.59 | somePriest | lee_ : I know how to open a mailbox with mutt, but it complains that my Thunderbird folders are "not a mailbox". Maybe it requires special configuration? |
| 16:24.01 | GutterPunk | epsilon, driver |
| 16:24.04 | Guerin | nisc: i haven't seen any suck slowdown |
| 16:24.08 | Guerin | such |
| 16:24.15 | nisc | Guerin: BTS? |
| 16:24.15 | xam | heh |
| 16:24.20 | Guerin | !bts |
| 16:24.20 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 16:24.24 | nisc | ah |
| 16:24.26 | nisc | ok |
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| 16:24.46 | lee_ | somePriest, not sure. read up on what format tbird uses. it might have changed. |
| 16:25.22 | somePriest | lee_ : Ok, thank you. |
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| 16:25.58 | cisee | hrm my vmware machine under heavy load spends all it's time in 'sys' when i look at top. what are some tools to figure out where the bottleneck is |
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| 16:26.11 | delire | somePriest: you'll need mbox or maildir format for mutt |
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| 16:28.08 | TurboBee | when i try the nvidia one-liner command, it fails at m-a a-i nvidia, |
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| 16:28.19 | Guerin | cisee: ask #vmware |
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| 16:28.26 | TurboBee | saying that the nvidia-kernel source installation has failed... |
| 16:28.44 | cisee | Guerin: i was wondering more debian/linux specific tools in general |
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| 16:28.51 | cisee | but i will |
| 16:28.55 | tziku` | hello, i have this problem at a script: ": bad interpreter: No such file or directory" this is a model of a little script: http://86.104.64.32/model.txt |
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| 16:29.03 | Guerin | cisee: well, what sort of load is it under? How's ram/cpu/disk usage? |
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| 16:29.24 | gberardi | I had some funky characters output to the console, and now I can't seem to get "normal" characters back when I type or at the prompt. reset didn't seem to help. Any ideas? |
| 16:29.25 | somePriest | delire : I thought Thunderbird was mbox, it looks like mbox to my eyes. |
| 16:29.37 | cisee | ram never gets maxed, disk seems reasonable but hard to tell if it's limiting, cpu gets eaten up mostly |
| 16:29.49 | lee_ | mutt: one email client to rule them all! |
| 16:29.51 | Guerin | cisee: but what is the box actually DOING? |
| 16:29.53 | delire | somePriest: no idea, just letting you know what mutt likes.. |
| 16:30.00 | cr3 | when I connect my palm device, I get "usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4" in /var/log/messages. How can I determine what device that corresponds to? |
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| 16:30.05 | cisee | Guerin: running 20-30 test machines |
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| 16:30.24 | Guerin | cisee: and what are those doing? |
| 16:30.26 | somePriest | delire : Ok, thank you. |
| 16:30.30 | Guerin | cisee: do you see where I'm headed? |
| 16:30.42 | azeem | cr3: is something like the visor module getting loaded? |
| 16:30.50 | cisee | Guerin: course, they're making responding to network IO (being scanned by nessus type scanner) |
| 16:30.54 | ghb | I'm trying to install Debian using NetInstall. But I'm having trouble with the dns address. How do I tell the system to use 192.168.0.1 when resolving name addresses? |
| 16:30.57 | Guerin | cisee: if they're serving files, chances are it's disk. If they're rendering video, chances are it's cpu |
| 16:31.00 | lee_ | 20-30! why are you asking in #debian. get your money's worth and call vmware support! |
| 16:31.11 | BoBB | my boss just handed me an old debian box they used to have running, I plugged it in but the network setup doesn't work anymore, how do I start the debian network config utility? |
| 16:31.14 | azeem | cr3: or rather, why do you want to prevent visor from getting loaded? |
| 16:31.16 | cr3 | azeem: I disabled the visor module because coldsync apparently doesn't work with it |
| 16:31.21 | cisee | Guerin: i know how to speculate on this, i'm more interested in tools that show me what's being utilized to the max |
| 16:31.22 | dvs | ghb: Don't use DHCP? |
| 16:31.27 | azeem | cr3: what does it work with instead? |
| 16:31.28 | lee_ | !tell BoBB about interfaces |
| 16:31.39 | ghb | dvs: No, have disabled that... =( |
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| 16:31.49 | sandman | Can exim function as an IMAP server? |
| 16:31.49 | cr3 | azeem: I wasn't told to replace it by anything, just to disable it. perhaps I should ask again on the coldsync mailing list. |
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| 16:32.00 | dvs | ghb: During the install. Don't specify DHCP |
| 16:32.08 | sandman | I've noticed that squirrelmail doesn't Just Work out of the box as it did @ woody (or at least it did for me) |
| 16:32.13 | hacim | sandman: no, exim is a MTA |
| 16:32.16 | ghb | dvs: I've done that. I just need to know how to enter the dns address. |
| 16:32.21 | hacim | sandman: you need to use courier or dovecot for IMAP |
| 16:32.23 | lee_ | sander_, no |
| 16:32.26 | lee_ | sorry |
| 16:32.36 | lee_ | sandman, no, you need an imap server for that. |
| 16:32.59 | delire | somePriest: try ading these lines to your ~/.muttrc "set mbox="/path/to/tbird-mbox" \n "set mbox_type=mbox" \n "set spoolfile="/path/to/tbird-mbox" |
| 16:33.02 | lee_ | and I fail to see the box everyone is talking about today. Debian doesn't come in a box! |
| 16:33.04 | sandman | MTA can _send_ mail though, yes> |
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| 16:33.22 | sandman | MTA works under an IMAP server, yes? IMAP hands mail off to MTA to be directed to local users, or so I thought. |
| 16:33.23 | Xteven | ok then |
| 16:33.28 | tziku` | hello, i have this problem at a script: ": bad interpreter: No such file or directory" this is a model of a little script: http://86.104.64.32/model.txt |
| 16:33.29 | Xteven | has anyone ever worked with preseed ? |
| 16:33.29 | lee_ | yes, exim can send email to local and remote hosts if you configure it properly. |
| 16:33.29 | tziku` | help ? |
| 16:33.29 | cisee | that's the transport part of mta |
| 16:33.39 | ghb | dvs: I've tried entering "nameserver 192.168.0.1" into /etc/resolv.conf, but that didn't help. |
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| 16:33.46 | BoBB | lee_, thanks, exactly what I was lookig for =) |
| 16:33.50 | azeem | cr3: do you have any /dev/ttyUSB* ports in /dev now? |
| 16:33.59 | dvs | ghb: That's the address of your nameserver? |
| 16:34.02 | knt | hi all, does anybody remember the URL for free shell access of IBM servers for testing. |
| 16:34.03 | lee_ | sandman, the MTA does not work "under" the IMAP server. they are different things. |
| 16:34.08 | cisee | tziku`: cat /proc/mounts and make sure the partition your trying to execute it from doesn't have 'noexec' set |
| 16:34.13 | lee_ | sandman, apt-cache search imap |
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| 16:34.18 | soon | running linux26 fixed my problems .... THANKS ! |
| 16:34.28 | ghb | dvs: It's the address to my router, and it's what I've set on my windows machines, so I would say yes. |
| 16:34.35 | cr3 | azeem: nope, but they used to appear when visor was enabled. I just modprobed usbserial in the hope that might help, but I don't see a device being created. |
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| 16:34.49 | somePriest | delire : One thing I don't know, is the Thunderbird mbox the Mail/ directory or either of the sub-directories named "Local Folders" and "mail.cogeco.ca". The last two seem to have the same contents, I don't know why they are always duplicated. |
| 16:35.16 | dvs | ghb: That's only for the nameserver, not the default route for the internet. |
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| 16:35.35 | signius | Hi guys |
| 16:35.39 | ghb | dvs: You mean I need to do "route add default gw 192.168.0.1"? Done that. |
| 16:35.56 | tziku` | cisee: http://86.104.64.32/1.txt |
| 16:36.07 | delire | somePriest: sounds like tbird's fault to me. anyway, you should really set your spoolfile to a file (like "inbox") in ~/Mail, and set_mbox="~/Mail" |
| 16:36.19 | azeem | cr3: what kind of palm do you have? |
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| 16:36.32 | hett | i'm using debian testing, snmpd segfaults, strace snmpd -f produces this: http://pastebin.com/552776 |
| 16:36.41 | soon | is there any reason to prefer http over ftp when netinst ? |
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| 16:36.46 | delire | somePriest: oops, i mean: set mbox="~/Mail" |
| 16:36.48 | soon | (or vice versa) |
| 16:36.59 | dvs | ghb: does /sbin/ifconfig show an eth0 device? |
| 16:37.00 | thingfish | soon: not really. |
| 16:37.01 | azeem | soon: not much, personal preference maybe |
| 16:37.01 | signius | Under debian i have a dual external antenna wireless pcmcia card and its not showing up under the networking tool in gnome so i was attempting to add the card however i am not sure if i should use wifi0 or wlano for the wireless device can anyone assist ? |
| 16:37.03 | raf256 | if I have in system two builds of same version of a lib, like foolib-2.0.so one in /usr/local/test1/ and second in .../test2 how to choose which one do I want to use? using LD_PRELOAD? how to exacly? should either of patches be in /etc/ld.so.conf? |
| 16:37.17 | gberardi | Nevermind. A colleague informed me that my term had a menu option to reset, and it seemed to clear up the problem. |
| 16:37.20 | ghb | dvs: Yes. And it's set to 192.168.0.9 |
| 16:37.24 | signius | that should have been wlan0 |
| 16:37.38 | delire | somePriest: i can give you my ~/.muttrc as a guide if you like.. |
| 16:37.48 | Xteven | lol ok |
| 16:37.52 | Xteven | is anyone running debian ? |
| 16:37.56 | nisc | Guerin: its really a PITA. How can I downgrade to 6.8.2? |
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| 16:38.01 | Ronin | nope Xteven whats that? |
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| 16:38.02 | somePriest | delire : Sure. |
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| 16:38.22 | Xteven | Ronin : good, now I atleast know that my messages are getting through |
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| 16:38.26 | cr3 | azeem: Palm Zire (m150), it's a very popular model and I was told it should work with coldsync. |
| 16:38.31 | Xteven | I suppose none of you have ever worked with preseed then |
| 16:38.45 | signius | why the hell does bitchx always keep me in 2 rooms when i change room and not log me out of the room i was in when i change to anew room |
| 16:38.51 | Ronin | Xteven: im sure folks have, try just asking the question :) |
| 16:38.59 | OldakQuill | The testing ftp/http is not being found by apt - anyone help? |
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| 16:39.12 | dvs | ghb: No clue then. Sorry |
| 16:39.29 | Xteven | Ronin : ok |
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| 16:39.36 | bibe | hi all. I'd like to use a Duron PC as a DNS server, and (of course) I'd like to install Debian. Should I use a 386 netinst image? Or is there another netinst cd? |
| 16:39.36 | lee_ | OldakQuill, "the testing?" |
| 16:39.47 | lee_ | bibe, use that one |
| 16:39.57 | Xteven | has anyone ever tried to create 3 primary partitions with the debian installer by using a preseeded configfile ? |
| 16:39.58 | OldakQuill | eg. Errhttp://ftp.uk.debian.org testing/main samba-common 3.0.21a-1 |
| 16:40.13 | delire | somePriest: here's my ~/.muttrc: http://pastebin.com/552785 |
| 16:40.21 | lee_ | OldakQuill, use a different mirror |
| 16:40.22 | bibe | lee_ : ok, thanks. And what should be the appropriate kernel image? |
| 16:40.34 | lee_ | bibe, type linux26 at the boot prompt |
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| 16:41.00 | delire | somePriest: i use ssh-keys with sendmail for secure sending of email, there's GPG macros in there and also a bit about writing your own headers. some spamassassin macros also. |
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| 16:42.08 | bibe | lee_ : I mean, the appropriate kernel image to be installed after the install process. Should I use kernel-image-2.6-386? or a -k7 image? |
| 16:42.19 | Xteven | also, if noone ever attempted it: do you know anyone I can get in contact with who created 3 primary partitions using preseed ? or maybe where I can contact the authors of partman-auto (not the debian-boot list, I'm already there) |
| 16:42.24 | lee_ | I don't think it matters much for DNS. |
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| 16:42.46 | bibe | lee_ : thank you very much |
| 16:43.01 | lee_ | np |
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| 16:43.44 | Xteven | it's tough to be on the edge of debian knowledge :( |
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| 16:44.00 | somePriest | delire : THank you. |
| 16:44.11 | hett | i'm using debian testing, snmpd segfaults, strace snmpd -f produces this: http://pastebin.com/552776 |
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| 16:45.06 | signius | is it possible to do a netinstall of debian via a wirless pcmcia card ? |
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| 16:45.23 | lee_ | signius, woah...probably |
| 16:45.31 | lee_ | but I wouldn't |
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| 16:46.07 | TurboBee | whats the difference between srage and woody? |
| 16:46.09 | TurboBee | sarge* |
| 16:46.26 | dvs | TurboBee: woody is the old stable, sarge is the current one |
| 16:46.38 | signius | im about to find out debian seems to be throwing a right pissy bitch fit over dual antenna wireless nics |
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| 16:46.50 | ircdevil | anyone into wget? what does --background mean? |
| 16:47.02 | lee_ | don't bug you as it doenloads |
| 16:47.15 | hett | ircdevil, forks wget into background |
| 16:47.20 | lee_ | match that with -c and -i and you have a downloading machine! |
| 16:47.29 | ircdevil | hett: and that is not default behavoiur? |
| 16:47.32 | hett | and -t0 |
| 16:47.34 | Smerdyakov | I just upgraded a lot of stuff, and now I have no more of those top and bottom Gnome bars where applets live. I had to browse my filesystem to get to the point where I could run XChar; in general, I don't know how to start programs without those bars. How can I get them back? |
| 16:47.34 | hett | ;) |
| 16:47.48 | hett | ircdevil, it's not default behavior |
| 16:47.51 | Smerdyakov | s/XChar/XChat |
| 16:47.56 | signius | shit is there a way to turn off screen buffers during the install it flickers like mad when i install on my laptop |
| 16:48.02 | azeem | Smerdyakov: did you try to logout/login again? |
| 16:48.22 | ircdevil | hett: ok - and you say that --background also sets -t0 ? |
| 16:48.33 | ircdevil | (not on my stable ...) |
| 16:48.35 | hett | ircdevil, i said that? |
| 16:48.37 | Smerdyakov | azeem, well, this is my first boot after installing. You think I should try that anyway? |
| 16:48.48 | ircdevil | <hett> and -t0 |
| 16:48.52 | azeem | Smerdyakov: after installing or upgrading? |
| 16:48.54 | hett | that was addressed to lee_ |
| 16:48.57 | Smerdyakov | azeem, upgrading |
| 16:49.00 | ircdevil | hett: hehehehehehe |
| 16:49.07 | ircdevil | ok - ty |
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| 16:49.21 | azeem | Smerdyakov: if you rebooted since, then it should be fine |
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| 16:49.26 | Smerdyakov | azeem, it isn't. |
| 16:49.31 | azeem | Smerdyakov: how do you start X? via gdm? |
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| 16:49.42 | Smerdyakov | azeem, I think so. I didn't set that part up. |
| 16:49.43 | azeem | Smerdyakov: try to create a test user and see whether that one can login fine |
| 16:49.55 | Smerdyakov | Hm.. OK |
| 16:50.01 | azeem | Smerdyakov: hit ctrl+alt+f1 to get to the console and run adduser there |
| 16:50.09 | azeem | (if you cannot get a terminal in X) |
| 16:50.43 | Smerdyakov | BRB, then |
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| 16:51.50 | raf256 | what was the name |
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| 16:52.04 | raf256 | of varaible that controlls where from libs are loaded? LD_PRELOAD? |
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| 16:52.30 | sandman | What's the most popular IMAP serveR? |
| 16:52.38 | cisee | courier |
| 16:52.38 | markybob | printenv |
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| 16:53.01 | cisee | raf256[laptop]: LD_LIBRARY_PATH but it's depreciated |
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| 16:53.34 | Smerdyakov | azeem, the new test user has the same problem. |
| 16:53.42 | lee_ | sander_, the one you like the best |
| 16:53.49 | lee_ | damn xchat autocomplete! |
| 16:53.57 | lee_ | sandman, ^^ |
| 16:54.01 | azeem | Smerdyakov: from where to where did you upgrade? |
| 16:54.16 | Smerdyakov | azeem, linux.csua.berkeley.edu testing |
| 16:54.19 | zgonzo | hi. after upgrading etch the x-server does not startup anymore. "symbol lookup error...undefined symbol: MGAgetBOARDHANDLESize". any ideas? |
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| 16:54.56 | ghb | dvs: Hahah! Found the error -- I had set the ip address to 192.168.0.1, instead of 9. -_- |
| 16:55.04 | lee_ | boo, etch is broken! |
| 16:55.15 | dvs | oooooooooooook |
| 16:55.26 | azeem | Smerdyakov: and you were running testing before as well? |
| 16:55.29 | Smerdyakov | azeem, yes |
| 16:56.11 | raf256 | cisee: what to use instead then |
| 16:56.55 | Trev_ | _: |
| 16:57.03 | sandman | Is mldonkey not supposed to be in Debian now? |
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| 16:57.39 | sandman | Hm. It appears that Courier can take care of everything, more or less. |
| 16:57.39 | azeem | sandman: it's mldonkey-gui/mldonkey-server I believe |
| 16:57.45 | azeem | sandman: and it is not available for stable |
| 16:57.54 | sandman | azeem: Why is that? |
| 16:58.00 | azeem | sandman: why is what? |
| 16:58.10 | azeem | Smerdyakov: can you check your ~/.xsession-errors (if there) for errors |
| 16:58.24 | azeem | Smerdyakov: and maybe the gdm logs in /var/log or /tmp, dunno where they are |
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| 17:00.15 | sandman | Well, nevermind. I was just wondering why it wasn't available for stable. |
| 17:00.45 | azeem | probably because it was buggy then |
| 17:00.54 | sandman | It appears that courier handles pretty much everything in terms of mail. |
| 17:00.57 | sandman | Except a mail client. |
| 17:01.10 | sandman | Is this a remotely correct observation? |
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| 17:02.36 | sandman | If GNOME just altogether freezes, what can I do to find out why? |
| 17:02.39 | hett | "everything" is a big word ;-) i wouldn't use it with any particular piece of software :) |
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| 17:06.44 | streuner | valdyn: how is the weather there? ;-) |
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| 17:07.18 | soon | just finished installing Debian from netinst ... next up is X and KDE ... is there a howto somewhere on debian.org (I cant seem to find it) |
| 17:07.33 | RichiH | !tell soon about set up x |
| 17:07.38 | azeem | soon: apt-get install x-window-system kde |
| 17:07.41 | RichiH | after that, apt-get install kde kdm |
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| 17:08.25 | soon | thanks' |
| 17:08.31 | RichiH | np |
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| 17:09.28 | v3 | hello all |
| 17:10.01 | v3 | where does apt-get source place the files and what's the debian way of modifing a package and reinstalling the same ? |
| 17:10.07 | signius | woo hoo worked first time by using the wireless pcmcia card to do a fresh net install on my laptop |
| 17:10.09 | signius | well impressed |
| 17:10.22 | signius | try and do that on a windows box |
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| 17:13.45 | delire | signius: out of interest what card was it btw? |
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| 17:14.15 | Smerdyakov | azeem, I get this scary looking message in ~/.xsession-errors: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1 |
| 17:14.52 | signius | its a Senao dual external antenns prism2 based pcmcia card |
| 17:14.54 | Smerdyakov | azeem, that's repeated 3 times, and this is repeated hundreds of times: ** (gnome-cups-icon:4410): WARNING **: IPP request failed with status 1030 |
| 17:15.05 | delire | signius: prism2.. good choice. |
| 17:15.07 | signius | i had a lot of trouble tracking one of these down but the performance is awesome |
| 17:15.14 | signius | i had it working under ubuntu before |
| 17:15.34 | signius | i also got a buffalo card with a orinoco chipset which is good also |
| 17:15.52 | signius | i got a cisco card to try also but i havnt messed about oo much with that under linux yet |
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| 17:17.14 | azeem | Smerdyakov: hrm, I don't know |
| 17:17.34 | azeem | Smerdyakov: if you run apt-get upgrade again, are any packages marked as being held back? |
| 17:18.10 | sandman | rsync daemon not enabled in /etc/default/rsync |
| 17:18.17 | sandman | rsync daemon not enabled in /etc/default/rsync |
| 17:18.31 | sandman | rsync daemon not enabled in /etc/default/rsync |
| 17:18.33 | sandman | rsync daemon not enabled in /etc/default/rsync |
| 17:18.34 | sandman | rsync daemon not enabled in /etc/default/rsync |
| 17:18.35 | azeem | sandman: dude |
| 17:18.36 | sandman | rsync daemon not enabled in /etc/default/rsync |
| 17:18.40 | Xteven | well, thx for the help |
| 17:18.42 | Gnea | 56i093258 |
| 17:18.43 | sandman | rsync daemon not enabled in /etc/default/rsync |
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| 17:18.47 | Xteven | I think I'll just write my own partitioner |
| 17:18.48 | sandman | Crap! |
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| 17:19.31 | cisee | lol |
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| 17:19.37 | sandman | I'm sorry I was at my scrollback I thought it wasn't pasting but it was. |
| 17:20.11 | azeem | np |
| 17:20.15 | RichiH | sandman: if in doubt, /flushq |
| 17:20.22 | RichiH | sandman: it will kill your send buffer |
| 17:20.30 | raf256 | what is broken in etch exacly? |
| 17:20.31 | fluxdude | I've got AD authentication working and put the line "%Domain\ Admins ALL=(ALL) ALL" in /etc/sudoers. Two administrator accounts can "sudo su" but "Administrator" or "administrator" can't!!!!!!!! |
| 17:20.34 | Smerdyakov | azeem, yes |
| 17:20.37 | signius | ooh the installer has changed a bit under testing got pretty colours scrolling over the screen as progress bars as its installing eaxh package via apt using ftp |
| 17:20.45 | azeem | Smerdyakov: can you paste the list to a pastebin? |
| 17:20.47 | azeem | !paster |
| 17:20.47 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 17:20.49 | Smerdyakov | azeem, I am upgrading/dist-upgrading again now to see if that helps. |
| 17:21.13 | signius | Not so sure i like it though |
| 17:21.26 | mhall | Raimi: dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections |
| 17:21.27 | signius | prefered the old black and black txt scrolling up the screen |
| 17:21.34 | sandman | Does anyone have experience with creating a sid chroot? |
| 17:21.55 | sandman | debootstrap sid sidchrootdir fails at: E: Couldn't download libsigc++-1.2-5c102 |
| 17:22.01 | Smerdyakov | azeem, I see that gconf2 is upgrading -- looks promising. |
| 17:22.07 | azeem | Smerdyakov: ok |
| 17:22.17 | azeem | sandman: then your mirror might be out of date |
| 17:22.36 | azeem | sandman: are you running sarge's debootstrap here? |
| 17:22.45 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.50 | sandman | Yes. |
| 17:22.55 | azeem | that might be too old |
| 17:23.00 | blakkino | .. |
| 17:23.13 | Smerdyakov | On another issue, I followed the advice received upon msg'ing dpkg as the topic suggests, and I got "key server timed out." |
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| 17:23.17 | azeem | sandman: you could create a sarge chroot with it, and dist-upgrade it |
| 17:23.36 | azeem | Smerdyakov: which factoid? 2006 key? |
| 17:23.50 | Smerdyakov | azeem, yes. |
| 17:24.15 | azeem | Smerdyakov: are you behind a firewall/do you need a proxy? |
| 17:24.35 | Smerdyakov | azeem, the only restriction of that kind that I know of is that I can't accept incoming connections. |
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| 17:24.59 | azeem | Smerdyakov: then try again later, or look whether you find another canonical keyserver instead |
| 17:25.21 | Smerdyakov | azeem, what are canonical keyservers, and how do I identify them? |
| 17:25.33 | azeem | I guess you could google |
| 17:25.59 | azeem | Smerdyakov: try wwwkeys.de.pgp.net |
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| 17:27.17 | sandman | When I finished installing the debianutils for vserver, I got this: /var/lib/vservers: Function not implemented |
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| 17:28.46 | beniamino | is it safe to move my /var/cache/apt/archives to an NFS drive and share it between machines |
| 17:29.03 | azeem | beniamino: check out something like apt-proxy instead |
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| 17:29.44 | Eulex | beniamino, may be, but you won't be able to upgrade or install package on two machines at the same time |
| 17:29.51 | Eulex | *packages |
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| 17:30.19 | beniamino | Eulex: interesting. why not? |
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| 17:30.40 | azeem | the lock file is in the parent directory I think |
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| 17:32.18 | beniamino | i see. so i'd be setting the same lock from all machines. i guess i'd better go for apt-cache. it seems heavyweight, that's all |
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| 17:33.06 | beniamino | s/apt-cache/apt-proxy/ |
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| 17:34.40 | eyeRound | I hate Dell |
| 17:34.54 | Ronin | eyeRound: likewise |
| 17:35.00 | eyeRound | anyone have something to help me get a 2.6 series kernel running on a poweredge 1850 |
| 17:35.01 | Eulex | azeem, that's right. |
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| 17:35.12 | Quibus | hi all |
| 17:35.19 | Smerdyakov | azeem, still not working. gnome-cups-manager gnome-menus are among the packages held back. |
| 17:35.20 | Eulex | would it be bad if the archives and the package list got out-of-sync? |
| 17:35.32 | streuner | eyeris: are you able to install debian? |
| 17:35.35 | azeem | Smerdyakov: apt-get install them individually |
| 17:35.44 | streuner | eyeRound: are you able to install debian? |
| 17:35.47 | azeem | Smerdyakov: but take care whether other packages are being removed |
| 17:36.00 | Quibus | I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.15 (from testing) and I got a LOAD of messages during about that it cannot exec /lib/udev/something. What's going on? |
| 17:36.10 | eyeris | streuner, right now, or at all? |
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| 17:36.37 | streuner | eyeris: nick completition sucked... |
| 17:36.47 | eyeris | streuner, I suspected as much |
| 17:36.51 | eyeRound | streuner, yea, I have the 2.4 kernel going...I think its the megaraid issue thats causing 2.6 not to recognize my scsi |
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| 17:39.07 | Quibus | anyone here upgraded from hotplug to udev? |
| 17:39.08 | JRWR | how do i "defrag" my ext3 HD |
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| 17:39.38 | Quibus | JRWR: you don't |
| 17:39.49 | Eulex | Quibus, most people running testing have |
| 17:39.51 | JRWR | why not? |
| 17:40.00 | Quibus | JRWR: because it's not necessary |
| 17:40.04 | JRWR | ?! |
| 17:40.10 | Quibus | Eulex: no known problems with udev? |
| 17:40.15 | JRWR | is there really such a file system |
| 17:40.17 | JRWR | wow |
| 17:40.22 | Quibus | Eulex: many bug reports though |
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| 17:40.30 | Quibus | JRWR: it's probably not entirely true |
| 17:40.39 | Quibus | JRWR: but I wouldn't worry too much about it if I were you |
| 17:40.41 | Eulex | JRWR, modern file systems do not need defragmenting |
| 17:41.01 | JRWR | ntfs does |
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| 17:41.11 | Quibus | JRWR: he said modern |
| 17:41.16 | Eulex | JRWR, ntfs is not a modern file systems |
| 17:41.19 | Eulex | *system |
| 17:41.23 | JRWR | ntfs is nt4.0 |
| 17:41.28 | JRWR | forgot |
| 17:41.39 | JRWR | wow that is cool, |
| 17:41.46 | Quibus | Eulex: anyways, udev will replace what hotplug does for me? |
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| 17:41.51 | Eulex | Quibus, yes. |
| 17:41.54 | liavas | uhmm, i got on my server 2 hds of 72.gb each but im only seeing one of them /dev/sdb |
| 17:41.54 | Quibus | Eulex: it seemed to be messed up when I did that at work |
| 17:42.01 | zgonzo | the matrox drivers 4.3 do not support my x server. very nice. how can i get my X back? is there a way to install the former version? |
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| 17:42.12 | Quibus | Eulex: all the errors that it couldn't execute those udev scripts |
| 17:42.22 | zgonzo | after upgrading etch |
| 17:42.49 | Eulex | Quibus, hmm, I dunno. may have been a transitional problem. works very well here, but ymmv |
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| 17:43.03 | Quibus | zgonzo: I did the same thing at work... I hacked the script to let 6.8.2 drivers work with X 6.9.0. It works, but it can be very unstable |
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| 17:43.20 | Quibus | Eulex: weird, I did the upgrade today |
| 17:43.51 | zgonzo | Quibus, so you manipulated the mga script? i could try . |
| 17:43.53 | Quibus | zgonzo: my conclusion is that Matrox sucks beyond all recognition |
| 17:43.58 | darkness | I have a friend who runs ssh. Can you get access logs? |
| 17:44.03 | Eulex | Quibus, there's a new udev in testing, which I haven't upgrade to yet. I'm on udev 0.081-1. |
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| 17:44.08 | Quibus | zgonzo: indeed, but it's asking for crashes, actually |
| 17:44.29 | Quibus | Eulex: ah, I'd get the one which is in testing right now, of course |
| 17:44.31 | liavas | how can i check where is my other hd? |
| 17:44.38 | dvs | ii udev 0.084-3 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 17:44.38 | liavas | fdisk -l doesnt show anything but /dev/sdb |
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| 17:44.52 | zgonzo | Quibus, o.k. i try. is there a decent way just to go back to the old xserver. had no problems with that one. |
| 17:44.53 | Quibus | dvs: no troubles? |
| 17:44.59 | dvs | Quibus: none so far! |
| 17:45.04 | darkness | I do i check sys logs? |
| 17:45.18 | Quibus | zgonzo: I don't know, actually. I didn't know that this release woudln't support 6.9 |
| 17:45.20 | dvs | Quibus: But there's HEAPS of new package. I had 275 to upgrade! |
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| 17:45.48 | Quibus | dvs: yeah, there's many trnasitions: GNOME 2.12, KDE 3.5, kernel 2.6.15, X.org 6.9 |
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| 17:45.56 | liavas | oh nm. i see /dev/sdb and /dev/sda but they are an exact match/identical. could they be mirrored or something? |
| 17:46.04 | dvs | Quibus: And I had three of those 4 |
| 17:46.07 | Eulex | darkness, check /var/log/auth.log |
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| 17:47.06 | johndie | hey how can I tell grub into which runlevel it should boot? |
| 17:47.09 | myren | how can i tell what user a progra mis running as? |
| 17:47.14 | Eulex | !runlevels |
| 17:47.14 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead, |
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| 17:47.17 | Eulex | !runlevel |
| 17:47.17 | dpkg | runlevel is, like, 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels |
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| 17:47.39 | johndie | Eulex: ? |
| 17:47.48 | Eulex | johndie, debian doesn't use runlevels like other distros. there's no boot-into-console runlevel, for example |
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| 17:48.24 | johndie | Eulex: ok I've fucked up the xorg config, how can I tell the box to not start gdm? |
| 17:48.38 | eyeRound | streuner, any experience with the megaraid driver on 2.6 kernel? |
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| 17:48.42 | amphi | johndie: update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 17:48.57 | johndie | amphi: how? i don't get a shell :P |
| 17:48.59 | Eulex | johndie, boot into single user mode, then fix it. |
| 17:49.03 | johndie | Eulex: how? |
| 17:49.18 | amphi | johndie: alt-ctrl-f1 doesn't work? |
| 17:49.24 | zgonzo | Quibus, where exactly did you hack the mga-driver-package? "install.sh"? |
| 17:49.24 | johndie | amphi: no |
| 17:49.25 | Eulex | johndie, grub should be offering options for every kernel you have to boot into single user mode. |
| 17:49.25 | myren | j0, how do i find out what user a program is executinga s? |
| 17:49.28 | Quibus | johndie: or start with the 'recovery' mode |
| 17:49.35 | Quibus | zgonzo: yeah, it checks versions |
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| 17:49.49 | Eulex | johndie, actually, it calls it 'recovery mode' |
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| 17:50.03 | johndie | there is no recovery mode |
| 17:50.04 | zgonzo | Quibus, thanks, i'll try |
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| 17:50.25 | Quibus | zgonzo: have fun, but it may be very bad :P If you know how to go back to 6.8, let me know :) |
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| 17:50.38 | Eulex | johndie, then add 'single' as a kernel boot option |
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| 17:50.56 | Eulex | without the apostrophes, of course |
| 17:51.21 | aphexer | how do i install one particular package (or 2) from unstable/testing and keep the rest of the system in stable? |
| 17:51.25 | johndie | ok. btw, has anyone else mentioned severe slowdowns since the update to xorg 6.9.0? |
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| 17:51.49 | _rene_ | aphexer: you don't. really. |
| 17:51.54 | _rene_ | aphexer: search for a backport |
| 17:52.25 | gnufan | johndie: why is there no recovery mode, are you installing kernels manually outside of kernel-package |
| 17:52.29 | Quibus | cu later |
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| 17:52.36 | aphexer | _rene_, backport? i need a later version, not a previous one |
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| 17:53.02 | _rene_ | aphexer: go feed google with backport |
| 17:53.07 | azeem | aphexer: a backport means a newer version of a packages tailored to stable |
| 17:53.07 | mrex | is there any other program that automatically tags mp3's (reading in the required data from the net) similar to musicbrainz tagger, other than musicbrainz tagger |
| 17:53.07 | aphexer | okiç |
| 17:53.08 | _rene_ | aphexer: and use your brain |
| 17:53.21 | azeem | _rene_: I think we all do |
| 17:53.25 | _rene_ | aphexer: ported back from sid |
| 17:53.37 | sandman | If I apt-get install rpm, will it work alongside apt? |
| 17:53.38 | gnufan | johndie: BTW ssh in from another box, or in crisis put init=/bin/sh or whatever on the boot line in GRUB. |
| 17:53.40 | jair_11 | guys, I have a little concern about a "thinkcentre" IBM workstation model A5, 8147 23U with processor P4 HT that once in a while just get super slow almost like "windows machines hang" and is really bothering me. I would like to know if I should install some special kernel or what could be causing that behaving. |
| 17:53.43 | azeem | sandman: no |
| 17:53.48 | _rene_ | azeem: not all people which appear here.... he might, though |
| 17:54.00 | sandman | azeem: Would you suggest using alien for it, then? |
| 17:54.04 | azeem | sandman: no |
| 17:54.13 | azeem | sandman: I suggest you use Debian packages |
| 17:54.34 | gnufan | jair_11: only special kernel I know of is you want an SMP kernel - the installer doesn't do that for you - otherwise it won't use hyperthreading. |
| 17:54.38 | johndie | gnufan: I've tried the /bin/sh but somehow it didnt let me write files |
| 17:54.39 | lepton | mrex: iTunes |
| 17:54.53 | sandman | azeem: What if I want to use openoffice.org 2.0 on sarge? |
| 17:54.59 | streuner | eyeRound: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers?decorator=printable |
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| 17:55.02 | azeem | sandman: use the backport |
| 17:55.10 | streuner | eyeRound: no |
| 17:55.12 | gnufan | johndie: probably mounted / read only "mount -o remount,rw /" is your friend. |
| 17:55.42 | mrex | lepton: thx |
| 17:55.46 | gnufan | johndie: sometimes it claims "/" isn't readonly when it is.... weird bug not sure which versions... |
| 17:55.51 | Daemon666 | is anyone able to help me find out why pop-before-smtp isnt working on my server? |
| 17:55.56 | sandman | Is there a way to see what chroot a process is being spawned from? |
| 17:56.00 | sandman | ps aux doesn't seem to reveal it |
| 17:56.22 | johndie | the new xorg 6.9.0 is damn slow :< |
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| 17:56.33 | johndie | at least here |
| 17:56.46 | _rene_ | johndie: *yawns*. you repeat yourself. |
| 17:56.54 | johndie | o rly? |
| 17:56.57 | jair_11 | gnufan, ok look, I did the installation of the smp kernel friday, when I came back monday I had to reboot the machine. |
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| 17:57.14 | eyeRound | streuner, I have been there a few times, it seems outdates |
| 17:57.18 | eyeRound | outdated |
| 17:57.33 | jair_11 | gnufan, so you think that the smp kernel 2.6.8-2-686-smp is not the right for this machine? |
| 17:57.36 | dren | anyone upgrade vim yesterday to 6.4? it's acting like the older version. it's all messed up. |
| 17:57.55 | Eclipser | dren, incompatible .vimrc? |
| 17:58.06 | dren | Eclipser: perhaps |
| 17:58.39 | loggygreg | dren Eclipser : sure |
| 17:58.42 | dren | Eclipser: I did notice the syntax and colors were gone |
| 17:58.51 | Eclipser | dren, you should ask in #vim |
| 17:58.58 | dren | Eclipser: ok thanks |
| 17:59.03 | darkness | Okay, looks like someones trying to bruteforce my machine. from ip 216.55.168.229. Anything i can do about him/her? |
| 17:59.10 | jair_11 | gnufan, so you recommend me use the regular kernel or disable the HT in the BIOS :) |
| 17:59.13 | zgonzo | Quibus, which version was in etch before 6.9.0 (xorg) |
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| 17:59.32 | Eclipser | darkness, iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --source <ip> -j DROP ? |
| 17:59.32 | loggygreg | dren: the vimrc are really incompatible (i encountered this problem |
| 17:59.43 | Eulex | darkness, trying to log in to what? |
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| 17:59.58 | dren | loggygreg: ok. did you fix it? |
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| 18:00.16 | darkness | Eulex ssh |
| 18:00.40 | Eclipser | darkness, just drop all his/her packets :p |
| 18:00.43 | darkness | Eulex, in auth.logs of have a massive list from this ip using diffent user names. |
| 18:00.56 | darkness | Eclipser, good idea :-) |
| 18:01.09 | loggygreg | dren: no i use dpkg --purge vim vim-common and reinstall it |
| 18:01.10 | Eclipser | I get that from time to time |
| 18:01.20 | Eclipser | I usually whois the ip and see if it has abuse mail |
| 18:01.22 | Eclipser | and send the logs there |
| 18:01.26 | dren | loggygreg: ok I'll do that. thanks. |
| 18:01.28 | Eclipser | if I'm not too busy |
| 18:01.36 | jair_11 | !HT |
| 18:01.36 | dpkg | well, ht is Haiti. HyperThreading, a technology from intel included in processors from the P4 3.05 GHz, that emulates two processors in a single cpu machine You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it. |
| 18:01.47 | zgonzo | i'm stuck with x.org 6.9, mga driver problem. should i swtich back to XFree86 (on etch)? any recommendations? |
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| 18:02.50 | jair_11 | how do i = enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in my kernel |
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| 18:03.22 | jair_11 | I am using 2.6.8-2-686-smp for a P4 HT thinkCentre machine |
| 18:03.46 | jair_11 | but some times the machine start blinking and get very very slow |
| 18:03.53 | jair_11 | I am using stable |
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| 18:04.32 | Eulex | darkness, I prevent such attacks by putting ssh on another port than the default 22. |
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| 18:04.46 | Eulex | jair_11, and you're sure that the kernel is the cause? |
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| 18:05.37 | Eclipser | Eulex, such attacks are quite often futile |
| 18:05.49 | Eclipser | assuming the box has sensible passwords/usernames :p |
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| 18:05.58 | dren | loggygreg: I should mention I edit with "vi" command. after purging and reinstalling vim, "vi" still acts the same. "vim" command works like normal though. oh well. |
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| 18:06.13 | jade | is there a debian package pre-built for python's funkload? |
| 18:06.17 | Eclipser | I'd hate having sshd on some other port, would have to specify it always :< |
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| 18:07.31 | lolman | darkness: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
| 18:07.45 | Eulex | Eclipser, true, but I dislike knowing that there's a chance that someone may have guessed a password on my box. and it's not pretty in the logs either. putting ssh on another port eliminates the doubt. |
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| 18:08.32 | Eclipser | I actually found some script some time ago which puts those attacks on iptables blacklist after a few failures |
| 18:08.35 | Quibus | OK, upgrade to 2.6.15 succeeded, but there are some minor problems! |
| 18:08.39 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 18:08.41 | Eclipser | but I never tried it :) |
| 18:08.46 | Eclipser | so I forgot where I found it too :o |
| 18:08.51 | Quibus | - I do get those cannot exec errors at start up |
| 18:08.58 | Quibus | - gnome volume mangaer doesn't work anymore |
| 18:09.06 | Quibus | - my mouse cursor moves way too fast |
| 18:09.30 | Fox_1_ | how to add own domain zone in bind9 as primary nameserver?? |
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| 18:09.40 | Quibus | Any ideas what's going on? |
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| 18:10.39 | Eulex | Quibus, I think I should have mentioned that I'm running my own custom compiled kernel, so that may be the reason I'm not affected by those problems. sorry :( |
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| 18:10.59 | gnufan | jair_11: sorry disappeared for dinner -- the 686-smp kernel sounds like the right one. How often does it run slow? Is there a pattern? You ruled out cronjobs or similar? |
| 18:11.11 | Fox_1_ | ?? |
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| 18:12.49 | jair_11 | Eulex, I am trying to figure out what is the cause. |
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| 18:13.28 | gnufan | jair_11: how long does it run slow for? |
| 18:13.30 | jair_11 | gnufan, I am running the basi stuff openoffice, ffox, multimedia software basically an office home pc. |
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| 18:14.05 | jair_11 | gnufan, it gets slow extremely slow and it show stay like that until I send the command to reboot, and take forever to do it as well. |
| 18:14.09 | smagy2 | hello folks, is there a seperate channel for debian on amd64 ? |
| 18:14.24 | ghb | I'm trying to install Debian on my laptop, but X server won't start... I get lots of errors, especially graphical ones. Can anyone help me? |
| 18:14.33 | Quibus | IT seems that 2.6.15 doesn't use OSS at all anymore, only ALSA |
| 18:14.43 | smagy2 | ghb: what are the errors |
| 18:14.56 | gnufan | jair_11: sounds like it is running out of memory -- or possibly something is leaking memory... you used "top" and discovered "M" will sort by memory.... |
| 18:15.06 | smagy2 | ghb: what is the graphics card you are using? what is the tool you are using to configure ? |
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| 18:15.35 | parsek_77 | is there deb pacakages for conky (system monitor)? i tried to compile from source but ./configure gave me this error: machine `i686-pc-linux' not recognized |
| 18:15.39 | ghb | smagy2: I'm trying to configure it with xf86config |
| 18:15.53 | ac3 | The debian sarge 2.4 kernel boots fine on my dell poweredge 2850, but the 2.6 kernel doesn´t. Should i report this as a bug? |
| 18:15.57 | Eulex | jair_11, does top give any clue on what might be wrong? |
| 18:16.02 | ghb | smagy2: The graphic card is an onBoard GPU, on a Intel 915 chipset. |
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| 18:16.04 | coolpix | re |
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| 18:16.42 | gnufan | ac3: think this is a known issue.... file an installation report -- see the file in /root |
| 18:16.47 | ^P | How do i know whether IPv6 is Supported on My Kernel ? |
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| 18:17.22 | ac3 | gnufan so now the only option i have is compile my own kernel? |
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| 18:17.35 | gnufan | ac3: leastwise I have DELL hardware that doesn't like 2.6 for reasons of RAID controllers I think. |
| 18:17.38 | ghb | How do I configure xserver to use a laptop LCD monitor with settings 1280x800 XGA using the terminal...? |
| 18:18.08 | Fox_1_ | did you read what i write? |
| 18:18.24 | smagy2 | ghb: check out http://kennethhunt.com/archives/001621.html |
| 18:18.35 | gnufan | ac3: I didn't pursue it, if it is the RAID controller issue you might be able to snaffle later 2.6 kernels from Sid/Testing, I think 2.6.12 was a key version in terms of RAID support.... |
| 18:18.37 | ac3 | idd, it´s the raidcontroller, i compiled my kernel and it works perfectly. I find it however very strange that the 2.4 kernel works but the 2.6 not |
| 18:18.39 | bhundven | ^P: lsmod if it is a module, /proc/sys/net/ipv6 should be a directory, and ifconfig should show some addresses in ipv6 |
| 18:18.40 | soon | having a danish keyboard ... setting up KDE should I say da or dk as keyboard layout? |
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| 18:19.29 | ac3 | gnufan: should i add unstable sources in apt and then apt-pin the kernel? |
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| 18:19.32 | abrotman | !dk |
| 18:19.32 | dpkg | i guess dk is Denmark and #debian.dk too |
| 18:19.52 | Daveman | heh |
| 18:19.55 | signius | i am stuck during in an install of debian |
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| 18:20.15 | gnufan | ac3: how you do it is up to you. If you built your own kernel as a package, I assume you used 2.6.15 - so probably not worth the effort yet of using sid.... |
| 18:20.39 | signius | its to do with tar and a conflict in the text based installer it is suggesting bzip as it conflicts with cpio and wants to replace cpio |
| 18:20.46 | signius | but i dont know how to let it do what it wants to do |
| 18:20.49 | ac3 | but that´s easier for upgrading/security issues |
| 18:20.50 | jair_11 | gnufan, what do you mean ? top and M? |
| 18:21.18 | gnufan | ac3: what did you enable in your own build to make it work -- my memory of this is fuzzy and I'll probably want to sort it at some point. |
| 18:21.22 | signius | bzip is highlighted in red with (unsatisfied) next to it |
| 18:21.28 | signius | but i am completely confused |
| 18:21.32 | jair_11 | Eulex, i am sorry I am not sure about what is "top" and "m"? |
| 18:21.35 | ac3 | megaraid driver |
| 18:21.43 | smagy2 | !amd64 |
| 18:21.43 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 18:22.02 | smagy2 | join #debian-amd64 |
| 18:22.08 | gnufan | ac3: Ta, I get so muddled over which is aacraid and which megaraid/megaraid2..... |
| 18:22.08 | Eulex | !top |
| 18:22.08 | dpkg | i guess top is a command to "display top CPU processes," but top can handle more ('man top' for more info). Try: `top' and to quit, just 'q';; The Other Peter |
| 18:22.29 | signius | if i hit g to Download/Install/Remove packages i get a message saying No packages are scheduled to be installed, removed, or upgraded |
| 18:22.41 | ghb | smagy2: Way too much information. I don't know what to do with it... I've only just started with linux, by the wya. |
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| 18:22.57 | gnufan | ac3: I've had such greif with the aacraid stuff this week, I'm going to use software mirroring only in future - life is too short to live with Adaptec software. |
| 18:23.19 | ac3 | hehe |
| 18:23.43 | cre8torx | H |
| 18:23.43 | bcc_ | hi guys, i got an application running on a remote box right now, is there a way to move the display to my box's x without having to close that app down and start again with a different display? |
| 18:23.44 | gnufan | ac3: even their "OK/Cancel" dialogue was bust -- I mean how hard can that be to get right? |
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| 18:23.53 | ac3 | the old drivers are called 'megaraid', the newer: 'megaraid2' and the newest 'megaraid' |
| 18:24.11 | Mahdi | hi, could anybody help me plz? My system is not accepting external ssh connections. How do i check if my router is rejecting or if this box is rejecting them? |
| 18:24.12 | ac3 | this is so stupid |
| 18:24.24 | ghb | How do I make xserver work with a laptop monitor...? I just get weird stripes and stuff... |
| 18:24.25 | abrotman | Mahdi: telnet <machine> 22 |
| 18:24.26 | gnufan | ac3: so my confusion is entirely natural and logical --- nice to know it is the world and not me.... |
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| 18:24.57 | Mahdi | abrotman, it says "connection refused" |
| 18:25.04 | smagy2 | mahdi: if your box is rejecting, then there would log interies in /var/log/syslog or messages |
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| 18:25.59 | ac3 | gnufan:) |
| 18:26.00 | Quibus | It seems gnome-volume-control is looking for an OSS device i.s.o. an ALSA device |
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| 18:26.29 | Mahdi | smagy2, if i can't find any, and connections are refused, it means that my router is blocking them, right? |
| 18:26.42 | abrotman | Mahdi: there's a good hint |
| 18:26.58 | Wanderer | blah, wish I could skin rhythmbox. that sucker is ugly |
| 18:27.11 | pipeline | Wanderer: You can skin rhythmbox. |
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| 18:27.44 | azeem | Wanderer: it's a regular GNOME app, what is more ugly than with other apps? |
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| 18:28.22 | jair_11 | gnufan, Eulex I am watching the "top" a cool tool by the way but everything is working now good so far. If gets again slow then I will check what it is happening? |
| 18:28.23 | jair_11 | ok] |
| 18:28.30 | Wanderer | pipeline: how? haven't seen any options along those lines |
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| 18:28.48 | Wanderer | azeem: the one I've got has no color, squar base-widget buttons, no "style" |
| 18:28.48 | jair_11 | gnufan, Eulex it is maybe a log of the last problems I had maybe? |
| 18:29.06 | azeem | Wanderer: and other GNOME apps look different? |
| 18:29.07 | jair_11 | gnufan, Eulex top keeps logs somewhere? |
| 18:29.10 | itom | hi all, I must work in the squid.conf for make a simple auth id:password, or installing external program? |
| 18:29.18 | Eulex | jair_11, no |
| 18:29.33 | Wanderer | azeem: don't know, I don't use gnome apps generally that I know of |
| 18:29.50 | azeem | Wanderer: well, pick another GTK theme then, like clearlooks or industrial |
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| 18:29.58 | gnufan | jair_11: no logs -- check also "sysstats" package, but it needs logging enabled. |
| 18:29.59 | Quibus | spherecrystal :P |
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| 18:30.06 | azeem | dunno how to do that when you're not using GNOME, though |
| 18:30.21 | Wanderer | ok, if it can be done then maybe that'll help |
| 18:30.22 | Wanderer | thanks |
| 18:30.23 | azeem | Wanderer: or pick a music player from your desktop environment |
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| 18:30.55 | jair_11 | gnufan, I will do that I will try to find the way of enable the logs |
| 18:31.06 | plb | anyone tell me what pkg contains x protos such as xproto xtrans xau compositeproto etc |
| 18:31.11 | Quibus | so, does anyone have an idea why I can't speed down my mouse cursor anymore since I installed kernel 2.6.15? |
| 18:31.14 | jair_11 | gnufan, the last resort can be just go to the BIOS of the IBM and then disable HT? |
| 18:31.16 | pipeline | plb: apt-cache search |
| 18:31.21 | plb | pipeline: did that |
| 18:31.28 | pipeline | plb: Then you would have found them. |
| 18:31.30 | ghb | How do I install Debian on a MSI S260 laptop..? |
| 18:31.33 | Wanderer | azeem: well, I generally use xmms but rhythmbox supposedly support mdns and zeroconf infrastructure |
| 18:31.39 | gnufan | jair_11: why do you think it is hyperthreading? I'd suspect memory -- how much is there? |
| 18:31.52 | pipeline | plb: Note: The X versions in sid aren't new enough to build the XGL stuff out of the modular tree. You would need a complete modular build of 7.0... and that's a non-trivial endeavour. |
| 18:32.02 | gnufan | ghb: what goes wrong when you follow the manual? |
| 18:32.10 | plb | damn |
| 18:32.15 | ghb | gnufan: I can't use xserver. |
| 18:32.18 | pipeline | plb: Heh, did I guess correctly? |
| 18:32.19 | dvs | gnufan: The display has lines through it |
| 18:32.28 | plb | pipeline: yeah I'm trying to build compiz |
| 18:32.37 | ghb | gnufan: I get graphical errors and then it exists. Don't know how to configure it... |
| 18:32.39 | pipeline | plb: The modular Xorg is actually much more difficult to build than the old monolithic tree. |
| 18:32.43 | pipeline | plb: It's a real fucking bear. |
| 18:32.58 | plb | argh |
| 18:33.01 | Quibus | a modular bear |
| 18:33.03 | pipeline | plb: I guess it's easier to hack on, once you have a working build, but manalive does it suck to get up and running. |
| 18:33.11 | signius | for some bizzare reason i seem to have only installed TWM as the window manager and i wont let me just do apt-get install gnome for gnome |
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| 18:33.26 | signius | whats the package name to get gnome installed as the default window manager ? |
| 18:33.36 | pipeline | signius: There's no default window manager. |
| 18:33.43 | Quibus | signius: what is "won't let me"? |
| 18:33.44 | gnufan | ghb: so you really want to know how to configure X for this machine? If it is Xfree 86 I'd go with booting a liveCD and stealling the XF86Config file... works well till you get to testing ;) Ubuntu has it's uses.... |
| 18:33.50 | pipeline | signius: The window manager is determined by either a.) your "display manager" or b.) files in your home directory. |
| 18:33.54 | plb | Is it in experimental? |
| 18:33.57 | streuner | signius: GNOME is a 'desktop environment' |
| 18:33.58 | azeem | Wanderer: are you running stable? |
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| 18:34.09 | pipeline | signius: What are you using to start your window system? |
| 18:34.15 | streuner | signius: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 18:34.33 | signius | yes i have got gdm installed but when i startx it is starting TWM and i want gnome as my default desktop enviroment |
| 18:34.53 | ghb | gnufan: I used Ubuntu before, but switched to Kubuntu to try out KDE. But it was impossible to use, so now I want to try something that does work... |
| 18:34.54 | signius | i am not logged onto this room on the laptop |
| 18:35.06 | Quibus | signius: don't do startx |
| 18:35.06 | dvs | !drxx ghb |
| 18:35.06 | dpkg | ghb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:35.09 | streuner | signius: put 'exec gnome-session' into ~/.xsession |
| 18:35.17 | azeem | signius: you should report the error when trying to apt-get install gnome |
| 18:35.20 | streuner | signius: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 18:35.21 | Quibus | signius: just so sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start |
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| 18:36.16 | signius | Package gnome has no installation candidate |
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| 18:36.27 | ghb | My monitor is a XGA, but I can't select that option. =( |
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| 18:37.09 | Quibus | ongeboren: very cool nick :) |
| 18:37.09 | ongeboren | hi, can I make the X server perform a memory cleanup without restarting it ? It currently uses about 200MB which I find a bit too much.. |
| 18:37.13 | gnufan | ghb: Yeah but it usually autoconfigures the graphics on the liveCD, and then I just cp /etc/X11/XF86Config /mnt/hda1/etc/X11 ;) |
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| 18:37.25 | dvs | ghb: Monitor? What does it say? vga? vesa? |
| 18:37.25 | jair_11 | gnufan, I have a lot of Mem, it is Mem: 775444 759784 15660 0 14056 609232 |
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| 18:37.32 | jair_11 | gnufan, I have a lot of Mem, it is Mem: 775444 |
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| 18:37.49 | ghb | dvs: It says XGA in the manual |
| 18:37.50 | ongeboren | Quibus, heh, thanks :) .. unborn was already taken on most networks :) |
| 18:38.00 | dvs | ghb: What does it say in the list? (examples) |
| 18:38.09 | ghb | dvs: WXGA, in fact... |
| 18:38.11 | jair_11 | gnufan, I do not think is memory the system have everything installed "core" only things I need |
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| 18:38.18 | ghb | dvs: What list? The list of options? |
| 18:38.22 | eyeris | top shows 20 mysqld processes, each taking up 75m memory. Is that 75m per process or is it shared? |
| 18:38.31 | dvs | <ghb> My monitor is a XGA, but I can't select that option. =( |
| 18:38.53 | dvs | that list |
| 18:39.12 | Quibus | what list? |
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| 18:40.02 | ghb | dvs: Hmm.... Craploads... VGA is one... |
| 18:40.10 | sm | morning all.. what's the recommended way to run apache 2.2 on sarge ? |
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| 18:40.19 | ghb | dvs: VESA was selected initially.. |
| 18:40.37 | dvs | ghb: Yeah, it asking about your VIDEO card, not your monitor |
| 18:40.55 | ghb | dvs: ...Oh.. |
| 18:41.00 | ghb | dvs: Then what do I pick? |
| 18:41.13 | jair_11 | gnufan, are you agreed with me about "memory is not the problem" |
| 18:41.14 | dvs | ghb: vesa is the safest bet. |
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| 18:41.21 | ghb | dvs: ok |
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| 18:41.39 | jair_11 | gnufan, this is a brand new machine that is why I think it is a problem of support. |
| 18:41.44 | rever | Hi what is the command to see all daemons that are started on my system. besides using ps |
| 18:41.44 | ghb | dvs: Ah now what... "Enter an identifier for your video card" |
| 18:41.54 | dvs | ghb: leave it blank |
| 18:42.02 | vaxen | I just apt-get phpbb2 and it installed all the dependencies which it installed php4, the problem I have now is that phpmyadmin needs php5. When I apt-get install phpmyadmin it wants to remove phpbb2. How do I make phpbb2 use php5? |
| 18:42.03 | ghb | ok |
| 18:42.15 | ghb | dvs: I can't leave it blank. =( |
| 18:42.31 | jair_11 | gnufan, I am not sure if I have to enable this beside use the smp kernel " You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it" |
| 18:42.33 | dvs | ghb: Then enter "LCD Screen" |
| 18:42.34 | Quibus | type "Vesa, because I have no idea what videocard I have" |
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| 18:42.36 | jvw | vaxen: phpbb2 in Debian doesn't support php5 yet |
| 18:42.48 | ghb | dvs: But it's asking for my video card |
| 18:42.54 | Quibus | ghb: type "Vesa, because I have no idea what videocard I have" |
| 18:43.02 | jvw | vaxen: what version do you use? Stable (sarge)? Unstable? |
| 18:43.06 | abrotman | jvw: hey .. you might know .. is there a place where i can see what's to go from sid to etch on a given day? |
| 18:43.11 | vaxen | jvw: testing |
| 18:43.12 | dvs | ghb: It's a text identifier. it doesn't matter |
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| 18:43.39 | ghb | dvs: The manual says "Embedded in Intel 915GM" |
| 18:43.40 | vaxen | jvw: the package dependencies says it supports either php4 or php5 |
| 18:43.49 | dvs | ghb: Then enter that |
| 18:43.57 | abrotman | did you install php4 or libapache-mod-php4 ? |
| 18:44.01 | darkness | I know this isn't a debian issue/question but wouldn't the net be a better place if you could shop people who are doing illegal activities like cracking, and show logs etc? |
| 18:44.04 | jvw | abrotman: yes, britney's output, which is nicely formatted on bjorn.haxx.se |
| 18:44.20 | vaxen | abrotman: phpbb2 pulled in php4 and libapache-mod-php4 |
| 18:44.26 | abrotman | jvw: thank you |
| 18:44.37 | ghb | dvs: *sob* Now it wants me to enter the video card's bus address! |
| 18:44.45 | Quibus | ghb: leave it blank |
| 18:44.48 | dvs | ghb: THAT'S what you leave blank |
| 18:45.07 | ghb | dvs & Quibus: Thanks! ^^ |
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| 18:45.33 | Quibus | I'm not sure if there's hw accel for the 915... But I don't have nameservers atm, so I can't check |
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| 18:45.40 | jvw | vaxen: hm, right, so it should work. What apache version do you have? |
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| 18:46.03 | ghb | dvs: Crap. "Enter the amunt of memory" |
| 18:46.14 | ghb | dvs: It's 8MB, but it wants it in KB. |
| 18:46.22 | dvs | ghb: 81921 |
| 18:46.24 | dvs | ghb: 8192 |
| 18:46.26 | sm | no apache 2.2 debs for sarge anywhere ? |
| 18:46.28 | dvs | the second one |
| 18:46.46 | jvw | vaxen: make sure you have one of the correct php5 packages installed that satifies the phpbb2 package |
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| 18:47.09 | ghb | dvs: Okay, now I'm at the mouse configuration. The problem is I got a touchpad... =( |
| 18:47.21 | dvs | ghb: Probably ps/2 |
| 18:47.24 | abrotman | sm: nor will there ever be official ones .. try backports.org or apt-get.org .. |
| 18:47.30 | ghb | dvs: /dev/psaux? |
| 18:47.37 | sm | ah, thanks |
| 18:47.38 | dvs | ghb: yeah. |
| 18:47.39 | vaxen | jvw: i'm running latest apache2 from testing branch |
| 18:47.39 | ghb | dvs: Or /dev/input/mice? |
| 18:47.42 | signius | sussed it i just wasnt using the full name for it |
| 18:47.48 | signius | like an idiot |
| 18:47.52 | dvs | ghb: Well, /dev/input/mice first |
| 18:48.01 | jvw | vaxen: if you have libapache2-mod-php5, phpbb2 shoudln't want to get deinstalled... |
| 18:48.08 | dvs | ghb: if that doesn't work then we'll try /dev/psaux |
| 18:48.15 | vaxen | jvw: let me try that |
| 18:48.24 | ghb | dvs: Okay, now to the hard bit... It wants to know the identifier for the monitor. 0.o |
| 18:48.25 | jvw | vaxen: what apache2 flavour do you have? Only one of them works with php |
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| 18:48.42 | zgonzo | o.k., guys, my X is dead after updating to 6.9 (mga g200 here). so what is my perspective? wait 6 weeks and try again? meanwhile use Suse or Knoppix? ;) |
| 18:48.42 | dvs | ghb: Just like the video card, it's a text identifier |
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| 18:49.00 | beniamino | is there a recommended way to keep a machine up to date automatically? i thought that just an apt-get update, apt-get upgrade cron job would do it, but it seems i need apt-get dist-upgrade too. that seems risky to just put in a cron job |
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| 18:49.08 | ghb | dvs: Sooo... Would "LCD Monitor" do? |
| 18:49.10 | abrotman | zgonzo: check the logs .. why dead? |
| 18:49.13 | Fox_1_ | how i must use squidtaild???? |
| 18:49.14 | dvs | ghb: yup |
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| 18:49.21 | ircdevil | looking at wget man page to read about reject list it sas: (@pxref{Types of Files} for more details) - what does that mean? |
| 18:49.27 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 18:49.31 | soon | I've now got a working Debain system including KDE and I must say I'm impressed with the installation procedure so far .... |
| 18:49.37 | Pollywog | is there a channel where I can get help with gtkpod? |
| 18:49.39 | vaxen | jvw: is there different flavour of apache2? |
| 18:49.51 | jvw | vaxen: yes, mpm-worker and mpm-prefork |
| 18:49.56 | ghb | dvs: Hmmm. Method of setting the monitor? Medium or Advanced? |
| 18:49.58 | soon | What is the gui interface to use i I want to install e.g. Gimp or LaTeX etc |
| 18:50.11 | Ladyd | hello |
| 18:50.15 | soon | hello |
| 18:50.15 | dvs | ghb: Do meduim |
| 18:50.15 | ircdevil | soon: reconsider the use of gui - its overrated |
| 18:50.19 | sm | nothing on those sites.. guess I'll be (gasp) building it |
| 18:50.31 | vaxen | jvw: i think it defaults to prefork |
| 18:50.36 | zgonzo | aprotman, symbol errors, i tried installing new drivers from matrox, didn't help |
| 18:50.36 | sm | haven't had to do that for a mainstream pkg in a long while |
| 18:50.37 | soon | idcdevil .... what would you recommend instead ... cli? |
| 18:50.38 | jvw | vaxen: that's the correct one |
| 18:50.41 | ghb | dvs: Hmmm ok |
| 18:50.41 | Ladyd | i m in need of serious help..............first day on linux |
| 18:50.54 | soon | welcome Ladyd |
| 18:50.54 | Pollywog | Ladyd: Debian? |
| 18:50.54 | jvw | vaxen: -mpm-worker can be more efficient, but doesn't work with php, and might be a bit less stable |
| 18:51.01 | vaxen | jvw: i tried apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 and it wants to remove libapache2-mod-php4 php4-mysql phpbb2 phpbb2-conf-mysql |
| 18:51.01 | Ladyd | yes |
| 18:51.07 | Gnea | Ladyd: start from the beginning |
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| 18:51.31 | Petaris | Anyone know when Thunderbird 1.5 will be in apt? |
| 18:51.40 | abrotman | !wir |
| 18:51.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 18:51.49 | zgonzo | aprotman, mga 200 seems not to work with 6.9 |
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| 18:51.52 | Ladyd | how do i download yahoo messenger on here? |
| 18:51.53 | dvs | !wwsr |
| 18:51.53 | dpkg | well, wwsr is It is released: http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
| 18:51.58 | SlayerXP | peterS: no later than 2010 |
| 18:52.01 | dvs | That's old |
| 18:52.01 | azeem | Ladyd: gaim can do that |
| 18:52.05 | SlayerXP | err |
| 18:52.09 | azeem | Ladyd: are you using GNOME or KDE? |
| 18:52.10 | SlayerXP | Petaris: no later than 2010 |
| 18:52.12 | abrotman | zgonzo: that doesn't seem right .. check the logs |
| 18:52.13 | ghb | dvs: *waaaaaaaaaaaaah* It's not working! |
| 18:52.18 | Gnea | Ladyd: apt-get install gaim it's similar to trillian |
| 18:52.22 | Ladyd | KDE |
| 18:52.24 | azeem | ghb: please, cite error messages |
| 18:52.26 | Fox_1_ | how i must use squidtaild???? |
| 18:52.33 | azeem | Ladyd: then maybe kopete works better |
| 18:52.38 | SlayerXP | Fox_1_: it's not compulsotyr |
| 18:52.41 | SlayerXP | err |
| 18:52.42 | azeem | Ladyd: try that first, and otherwise gaim |
| 18:52.43 | SlayerXP | Fox_1_: it's not compulsory |
| 18:52.44 | Petaris | SlayerXP: It just seems to be taking a long time |
| 18:52.48 | Gnea | azeem: i tried using kopete awhile ago, it was crap |
| 18:52.51 | Pollywog | I prefer Kopete for Yahoo Messenger is Gaim better for some reason? |
| 18:52.52 | ghb | azeem: Umm... The list is too long, but the screen looks like someone ate it and puked it up... |
| 18:53.02 | azeem | ghb: there are logs in /var/logX* |
| 18:53.04 | dvs | ghb: What does /var/log/XFree.0.log say? |
| 18:53.06 | zgonzo | abrotman, well xserver doesn't start anymore, no way.thats a matter of fact. |
| 18:53.10 | SlayerXP | Petaris: do you know where you send the donation? |
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| 18:53.21 | jvw | Pollywog: it's a matter of tasts as I understood it |
| 18:53.22 | Petaris | whoops |
| 18:53.23 | SlayerXP | Petaris: do you know where you send the donation? |
| 18:53.24 | jvw | taste |
| 18:53.33 | Pollywog | jvw: oic |
| 18:53.50 | dvs | ghb: Actually paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log with pastebin.ca |
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| 18:54.03 | jvw | Pollywog: both have their advantages over eachother, I don't think you can categorically say one is better than the other |
| 18:54.03 | azeem | it makes sense to try out the IM client which is tailored to your favourite desktop environment first |
| 18:54.06 | Pollywog | and Kopete does GnuPG if you like that taste |
| 18:54.14 | Ladyd | where do i find kopete? |
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| 18:54.20 | azeem | Ladyd: apt-get install kopete |
| 18:54.24 | testi | hi |
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| 18:54.38 | Pollywog | apt-get update then apt-get install kopete |
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| 18:54.51 | Ladyd | ummmmmmmmmmmm im new to the linux lingo ...what does that mean? |
| 18:54.57 | azeem | Ladyd: ok |
| 18:55.03 | zgonzo | aprotman, "some required symbols were unresolved#" |
| 18:55.04 | dvs | Ladyd: Type that on the command line |
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| 18:55.08 | Gnea | Ladyd: are you running sarge, etch or sid? |
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| 18:55.12 | azeem | Ladyd: did you get in touch with the command line/konsole yet? |
| 18:55.13 | MasterYoda | can anyone think of reasons update-grub would not find any kernels? |
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| 18:55.20 | Ladyd | no |
| 18:55.25 | azeem | Ladyd: otherwise, see whether synaptic is installed |
| 18:55.47 | jvw | MasterYoda: did you install any of the stock debian kernels? |
| 18:55.51 | Quibus | zgonzo: you running 2.6.15? |
| 18:56.01 | MasterYoda | jvw: yup |
| 18:56.01 | jvw | MasterYoda: ls /boot/vmlinuz* |
| 18:56.03 | ghb | dvs: How am I suppose to do that? It's on my laptop... |
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| 18:56.05 | MasterYoda | jvw: and a custom one |
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| 18:56.22 | zgonzo | any idea how i can get my X back, remove/install xserver-foo already tried several times |
| 18:56.36 | ircdevil | anyone know what kind of pattern matching wget uses in reject/acccept lists? its not in the man page |
| 18:56.43 | MasterYoda | jvw: it says searching for grub dir... found /boot/grub, then exits with 1 |
| 18:56.44 | azeem | Ladyd: actually, try whether you can find kopete in the Application menu |
| 18:56.44 | dvs | ghb: Then type: cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep "(EE)" |
| 18:56.52 | zgonzo | Quibus, 2.6.12 |
| 18:56.52 | azeem | Ladyd: it might be installed already |
| 18:57.02 | Pollywog | I got a 25% off coupon in my email and I ran down to borders and got the Debian book by Krafft, an ex cellent book for newbies too |
| 18:57.07 | Ladyd | ok ty im looking now |
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| 18:57.20 | zgonzo | Quibus, need 2.6.15? |
| 18:57.21 | jvw | MasterYoda: try sh -x /sbin/update-grub |
| 18:57.21 | MasterYoda | ircdevil: probably shell globs or regeses |
| 18:57.32 | Ladyd | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.33 | jvw | MasterYoda: and see what the last lines are |
| 18:57.39 | azeem | Ladyd: what kind of Live CD? |
| 18:57.40 | testi | hum, i heard there were to ways of installing a custom dsdt-table. the way "cp DSDT.aml /etc/mkinitrams & dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`" does not solve my battery status problems. Theres another way by adding the table at kernel compile time. Where can I find information about that? |
| 18:57.43 | ghb | dvs: It only tells me errors about the mouse... |
| 18:57.45 | Pollywog | I did not know Debian had a live CD |
| 18:57.48 | Ladyd | knoppix |
| 18:57.49 | Quibus | zgonzo: no, not really. FOr 2.6.15 you need to use a modified version :) |
| 18:57.50 | ircdevil | MasterYoda: (what else exist?) |
| 18:57.55 | azeem | Ladyd: it should have kopete installed |
| 18:58.03 | Ronin | Ladyd: #knoppix would be better for you |
| 18:58.04 | ircdevil | ill try shellglob first |
| 18:58.05 | azeem | Ladyd: but I am not sure |
| 18:58.06 | dvs | ghb: use /dev/psaux |
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| 18:58.44 | zgonzo | Quibus, is there any back-up plan for me? how should i go on? or just wait several days (weeks) for an update? |
| 18:58.44 | MasterYoda | ircdevil: yeah try them both |
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| 18:59.03 | Quibus | zgonzo: updates from Matrox can take months or even years |
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| 18:59.15 | zgonzo | Quibus, no X is possible, but so pleasant |
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| 18:59.23 | Ladyd | says it couldnt find package kopete |
| 18:59.24 | Pollywog | Debianers, can one install apps if they are just using a live CD? I don't think so |
| 18:59.32 | zgonzo | Quibus, not so pleasant |
| 18:59.35 | Quibus | zgonzo: buying an nVidia or ATI card works best I suppose. The Matrox support is really slow |
| 18:59.36 | ghb | dvs: Hmm... I selected 800x600 instead of 1024x768. It seems to be working now! |
| 18:59.41 | Quibus | hi goedson |
| 18:59.42 | soon | When installing Gimp (using KPackage) I get: perl: warning: setting locale failed: LANGUAGE ? "en_DK;en_US;en_GB:en" |
| 18:59.44 | ircdevil | MasterYoda: shellglobs |
| 18:59.51 | soon | en_DK should probably be da_DK |
| 18:59.52 | dvs | ghb: Well, it's a start. |
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| 18:59.55 | MasterYoda | ircdevil: I figured |
| 18:59.59 | soon | where do I set LANGUAGE for perl? |
| 19:00.03 | azeem | Ladyd: what says that? |
| 19:00.10 | fhffhqvb | soon: locales? |
| 19:00.22 | soon | probably ... |
| 19:00.24 | Ladyd | shell -knonsole |
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| 19:00.31 | Ladyd | oops konsole |
| 19:00.31 | MasterYoda | jvw: the last lines say "readlink -f /dev/hda7", then device=, device=, root_device= |
| 19:00.41 | soon | fhffhqvb: where is it set |
| 19:00.46 | goedson | Hi Quibus. |
| 19:00.46 | azeem | Ladyd: then you can try to run 'apt-get install kopete' in the console |
| 19:00.50 | fhffhqvb | soon: i just told you |
| 19:00.56 | ghb | dvs: Thank you so much! I'll return whenever I hit the wall again. ^^ |
| 19:01.06 | azeem | Ladyd: but I am not sure whether that will work, you might get better support in #knoppix |
| 19:01.08 | soon | locales? ... |
| 19:01.08 | dvs | ghb: You're welcome. |
| 19:01.13 | Ladyd | thats what i got when i tried that |
| 19:01.20 | jvw | MasterYoda: well, does /dev/hda7 exist? |
| 19:01.22 | zgonzo | Quibus, what, buy a new card? i have no downgrading option? i mean, it *did* work until yesterday and this unholy upgrade. |
| 19:01.23 | dvs | another one? *sigh* |
| 19:01.24 | fhffhqvb | soon: yes. dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:01.26 | Pollywog | azeem will that work if one has not actually installed Linux and they use a live CD? |
| 19:01.26 | soon | is that a KDE control center thing or a bash variable or ? |
| 19:01.28 | Eulex | Ladyd, debian is not knoppix, we can't really support knoppix. |
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| 19:01.45 | azeem | Pollywog: knoppix uses some advanced unionfs tricks for that these days I think |
| 19:01.51 | Pollywog | oic |
| 19:01.58 | fhffhqvb | ... |
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| 19:02.03 | azeem | Ladyd: did you try to find kopete among the Applications in the 'K' menu? |
| 19:02.03 | Pollywog | I learn something every time I come here |
| 19:02.17 | epsilon | soon: what your default charset, .dk? |
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| 19:02.40 | soon | I, not too sure ... Ive only just installed a brand new debian |
| 19:02.42 | Quibus | zgonzo: well, I have no ideas for other options. Note that I did get it working, I used a P650 |
| 19:02.46 | soon | should be dk though |
| 19:02.55 | Ladyd | what would it be under in the list |
| 19:02.55 | zgonzo | Quibus, there still must be an "old" xserver-xorg package somewhere, no? |
| 19:02.56 | azeem | soon: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:03.11 | zgonzo | sigh |
| 19:03.19 | fhffhqvb | azeem: i already said that |
| 19:03.39 | soon | dpkg-reconfigure command not found |
| 19:03.44 | azeem | soon: as root |
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| 19:03.51 | fhffhqvb | soon: are you even running debian? |
| 19:03.52 | Eulex | Ladyd, network? internet? |
| 19:03.59 | soon | Doh! Sorry ... |
| 19:03.59 | Eulex | soon, it needs to be run as root |
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| 19:04.16 | soon | yup |
| 19:04.19 | zgonzo | Quibus, o.k. i dont wanna bother you to much... by the way, why hacking the install script? just copy the drivers directly and thats it, right? |
| 19:04.45 | Quibus | zgonzo: I'd rather hack the script, so that everything gets put on the right places |
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| 19:04.58 | Ladyd | i dont see anything there |
| 19:04.58 | Quibus | it was an easy hack though |
| 19:05.12 | azeem | Ladyd: well, then. Bad luck |
| 19:05.16 | azeem | Ladyd: you could look for gaim |
| 19:05.21 | epsilon | soon: export | grep LANG |
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| 19:05.31 | Pollywog | Gaim is pretty good |
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| 19:05.44 | azeem | soon: env | grep LANG |
| 19:05.45 | dvs | Pollywog: You got gaim? ;-) |
| 19:05.51 | zgonzo | Quibus, alright thanks |
| 19:05.53 | sm | Ladyd: you're welcome to keep trying here, but did you see the comments recommending the #knoppix channel ? you should ask there first, as they know knoppix menus better |
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| 19:06.00 | Pollywog | yes but I use Kopete for the most part |
| 19:06.04 | Pollywog | and Licq |
| 19:06.08 | epsilon | soon: is in denmark "dk_DK@euro ISO-8859-15"? |
| 19:06.14 | soon | I've got it fixed ... using da_DK utf8 |
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| 19:06.34 | syphox | heya... apt-get install is trying to install packages from the cdrom and i'd like to install them from http |
| 19:06.42 | syphox | i did apt-setup and changed it to http |
| 19:06.46 | azeem | syphox: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:06.48 | _MiTo_ | apt-setup |
| 19:06.51 | azeem | syphox: and remove the cdrom |
| 19:06.55 | Ronin | syphox: you comment out the cdrom? |
| 19:07.01 | azeem | syphox: or maybe apt-cdrom remove, dunno if that works |
| 19:07.04 | syphox | but it still tries to install from the cdrom |
| 19:07.09 | Ladyd | ty all for your help .....i do appreciate |
| 19:07.12 | ghb | How do I switch resolution in X? |
| 19:07.15 | Pollywog | oh I forgot, the Krafft book comes with a Debian CD |
| 19:07.31 | azeem | ghb: gnome has an applet for that |
| 19:07.31 | epsilon | soon: echo 'da_DK utf8' > /etc/locale.gen; locale.gen |
| 19:07.44 | petemc | syphox: checl /etc/apt/sources.list doesnt mention the cdrom, then run apt-get update |
| 19:07.47 | azeem | ghb: otherwise, try ctrl+alt+[numpad-+/-] |
| 19:07.53 | ghb | azeem: What about KDE? |
| 19:08.01 | azeem | ghb: I don't know |
| 19:08.01 | soon | but I ran dpkg-reconfigure and set it throught there ... not good enough? |
| 19:08.07 | azeem | soon: it's good |
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| 19:08.24 | syphox | thanks guys!!! |
| 19:08.34 | soon | ghb theres a screen resolution app in controlcenter |
| 19:08.40 | syphox | i had to comment it in /etc/apt/sources.list, thank you :))) |
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| 19:10.32 | Pollywog | ladyd: if you decide to install Debian, I recommend the "Debian System" book by Krafft |
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| 19:10.56 | ghb | soon: Hmm. It only lets me set 800x600 or 640x480, but my monitor supports 1280x800. |
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| 19:11.07 | Pollywog | and there are also documentations on Debian's website |
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| 19:11.34 | epsilon | ghb: add new resolution in x config |
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| 19:11.45 | bowman | hi all! since the last mozilla segfault crash, or maybe since the last upgrade, all my stored passwords etc. are gone - bookmarks are still there - has anyone else experienced this? |
| 19:11.50 | Teolupus | Little one about Jabber: I'm using jive wildfire as a server (Active Directory LDAP authentication), and GAIM/Pandion as clients. Every time I add a new contact I must fill its name (alias, nick) manually, or it will appear as its username. Is that normal? How can I change this? |
| 19:12.22 | epsilon | bwt 1280x800? Widescreen? |
| 19:12.27 | metaperl | 228mb of new packages for Debian/testing... must be christmas :) |
| 19:12.35 | ghb | epsilon: Strange... They are all there. But why can't I use them? |
| 19:12.47 | broomy | my poor little friend tried too install ubuntu, now his HP computer is really messed up, all his partions are dead :( too bad for him |
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| 19:13.18 | epsilon | ghb: you have told in config to take this configured hardware? |
| 19:13.29 | soon | ghb ... perhaps your xfree or xorg config file doesnt list the option |
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| 19:14.22 | Teolupus | Anybody here using GAIM???? |
| 19:14.25 | ghb | epsilon: I opened XF86Config and there are a bunch of subsections there with various resolution options. |
| 19:14.34 | broomy | Teolupus, i am |
| 19:14.51 | ghb | epsilon: And I can only use 24 bit colours, even though my card support 32 bits. |
| 19:15.06 | ilba7r | Teolupus, just cast your question |
| 19:15.08 | epsilon | ghb: 24bit is fine |
| 19:15.18 | cisse | 24 bit is all the colors you need 32 is just the alpha channel |
| 19:15.22 | ghb | epsilon: But I still can't use max resolution. =( |
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| 19:15.51 | Teolupus | ilba7r: When you add contatcts to you GAIM list (from Jabber servers) do you have to fill it's name (alias, nick) manually? |
| 19:16.27 | ilba7r | Teolupus, i do not use habber so have no idea |
| 19:16.37 | epsilon | ghb: add in 24bit section the requested resolution, add this screen with identifer in the ServerLayout section (should be default) |
| 19:16.40 | ilba7r | hi running an .rm file with totem-xine the pc hangs and i get kernel panic message when i look at dmesg? any ideas? |
| 19:16.46 | epsilon | then restart X |
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| 19:17.35 | broomy | does anybody know how i can get the kernel source in a easy way, need it for my nvidia config |
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| 19:17.55 | epsilon | ftp.<yourcountrycode>.kernel.org |
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| 19:18.27 | broomy | epsilon, where do i need to put the kernel source then? |
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| 19:18.29 | vaxen | phpbb2 depends on php4 and phpmyadmin depends on php5, how do I resolv this? since php4 and php5 can't co-exist |
| 19:18.49 | epsilon | hm, /usr/src/linux? |
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| 19:19.03 | Quibus | zgonzo: you might want to try to use the adapted installer. All I know is that it kind of worked for me |
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| 19:19.11 | broomy | epsilon, you sure? |
| 19:19.17 | broomy | :P |
| 19:19.32 | epsilon | it's source as you asked, store it where you want |
| 19:19.37 | ghb | epsilon: I don't understand. Everything seems fine according to the configuration file... But I still can't choose a higher resolution... ='( |
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| 19:20.47 | epsilon | ghb: post your XFree config to paster |
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| 19:21.25 | loggygreg | broomy: where /lib/modules/'your kernel'/ points |
| 19:21.30 | epsilon | and make sure H/V frequency is correct |
| 19:21.38 | broomy | loggygreg, ok thanks |
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| 19:21.56 | loggygreg | broomy: where /lib/modules/'your kernel'/source sorry |
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| 19:22.19 | ghb | epsilon: Where shall I paste it? |
| 19:22.20 | broomy | loggygreg, oh ok |
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| 19:22.23 | Suprano | hi |
| 19:22.25 | Suprano | im trying to set up a jabber2 server... i installed the package jabberd2-mysql and configured everything, but my client can'T connect |
| 19:22.28 | epsilon | ghb: topic |
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| 19:23.59 | Suprano | nmap says : 5222/tcp closed unknown |
| 19:24.10 | sandman | Any idea as to why I'd have so many proc FUNCTION NOT IMPLEMENTED errors @ boot? |
| 19:24.11 | ghb | epsilon: What? Where? I don't see a URL |
| 19:24.25 | broomy | test |
| 19:24.29 | broomy | oops |
| 19:24.30 | Suprano | test back |
| 19:24.44 | broomy | wrong window |
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| 19:26.09 | ghb | epsilon: Ah dammit... I'm not on my laptop here on irc, so I can't paste it... |
| 19:26.32 | ghb | epsilon: Isn't there some web service for that? |
| 19:27.06 | usn | hi there |
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| 19:27.31 | soon | hi |
| 19:27.55 | Quibus | cu later |
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| 19:28.12 | soon | I need to check my kernel config ... in gentoo i would /usr/src/linux make menuconfig, whats the way to go in debian? |
| 19:28.56 | soon | I need a kernel module ipw2100 |
| 19:29.15 | blondie | I need glue :| |
| 19:29.19 | jvw | vaxen: phpbb2 can also work with php5 in testing |
| 19:29.51 | vaxen | jvw: i can't seem to be able to install php5 without it wanting to remove phpbb2 |
| 19:30.05 | bowman | soon: the kernel module source is available as a package (at least in testing) |
| 19:30.50 | soon | yup - gotcha! |
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| 19:31.07 | bowman | soon: usually packaged with a step by step readme ;) |
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| 19:31.29 | ghb | epsilon: Back again. Let's see if I can post that dump now... |
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| 19:31.46 | Seb | can anyone recommend a good wiki packaged in debian ? |
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| 19:32.46 | ghb | epsilon, Here's my paste: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1817 |
| 19:32.50 | sparr | is there any way to look at my own popcon data to figure out which packages i can uninstall because i never use them? |
| 19:32.51 | lulek` | i try compile kernel 2.6.16-rc3 i to get this http://pastebin.com/553043 |
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| 19:33.25 | dondelelcaro | sparr: /var/log/popularity-contest has the log information |
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| 19:34.13 | dondelelcaro | sparr: you're probably interested in popcon-largest-unused for starters |
| 19:34.20 | chealer9 | Seb: mediawiki? |
| 19:34.30 | abrotman | wtf does popcon have to do with packages you never use? |
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| 19:34.55 | Gnea | hey, can anyone connect to http://mirrors.usc.edu ? |
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| 19:35.05 | abrotman | npoe |
| 19:35.13 | Gnea | ok cool |
| 19:35.13 | azeem | abrotman: packages you have installed, but do not used |
| 19:35.17 | Gnea | then it's not just me :) |
| 19:35.24 | abrotman | azeem: how does popcon tell me what i don't use? |
| 19:35.25 | sparr | abrotman: it tracks when you use each package |
| 19:35.30 | abrotman | it does? |
| 19:35.31 | sparr | abrotman: atime on files in the package |
| 19:35.32 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it checks the atime of files in the package |
| 19:35.36 | abrotman | i thought it just tracked installs |
| 19:35.40 | sparr | nope |
| 19:35.48 | sparr | installs, atimes, and package upgrades |
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| 19:35.49 | azeem | it's TOTAL SURVEILLANCE |
| 19:35.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: you didn't tell me that!! .. dirty swiss! |
| 19:36.00 | sparr | with a couple of other statistics calculated from those 3 |
| 19:36.03 | Gnea | OMFGWTF |
| 19:36.06 | Gnea | heh |
| 19:36.21 | azeem | sparr: like /etc/passwd? ;) |
| 19:36.23 | abrotman | leave it to the swiss to setup all this spying stuff |
| 19:36.28 | marc | hi, i am looking forward to build an uclibc-based debian system, is there a recommended way of doing it. Whenever possible i want to use debian packages. I thought about a wrapper arround apt-get source which would apply some patches if needed and bulid & link against uclibc. |
| 19:36.31 | ghb | Anyone know why I can't select a higher resolution than 800x600? My monitor supports 1280x800. |
| 19:36.40 | abrotman | what driver are you using ? |
| 19:36.51 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it can tell the difference between you actually using the package and just cat'ing some file in the package |
| 19:36.56 | sparr | azeem: theres an exception list, but that might not be on it |
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| 19:36.59 | Gnea | ghb: probably because your X config isn't setup with definitions higher than that |
| 19:37.06 | azeem | marc: I don't think there is general advise on this other than "ask somebody who knows" |
| 19:37.10 | sparr | dondelelcaro: cat'ing some file in the package IS using it, since you couldnt cat it if you didnt have the package |
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| 19:37.19 | zgonzo | Quibus, still there? i solved that nasty driver problem according to a posting i found on the www. just rename mga_hal_drv.o to mga_hal_drv.o.old. evrything fine again. |
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| 19:37.41 | ghb | Gnea: But look at http://channels.debian.net/paste/1817 That's my XF86Config file |
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| 19:38.05 | dondelelcaro | sparr: I mean use as in do something useful with the package. |
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| 19:38.19 | Gnea | ghb: are you using sarge? |
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| 19:38.24 | sparr | dondelelcaro: well, invent a better system :) until then im happy with atime |
| 19:38.26 | dondelelcaro | (which should have been obvious given the context) |
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| 19:38.41 | ghb | Gnea: Sarge...? |
| 19:38.50 | Gnea | !sarge |
| 19:38.50 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 19:38.50 | dondelelcaro | sparr: uh... there's no need for a better system |
| 19:38.51 | marc | azeem: maybe i should ask some emmbeded developers. |
| 19:38.52 | sparr | dondelelcaro: is there something like 'popcon-longest-unused'? |
| 19:38.57 | sparr | im not interested in the size |
| 19:39.00 | sparr | im not trying to save space |
| 19:39.02 | Gnea | ghb: uhm yes, you ARE using debian, right? |
| 19:39.10 | ghb | Gnea: I think so. =) |
| 19:39.11 | sparr | im trying to get rid of as many packages as possible, to make dpkg faster |
| 19:39.17 | dondelelcaro | sparr: you can figure that out yourself from /var/log/popularity-contest |
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| 19:39.29 | dondelelcaro | sparr: and getting rid of packages isn't going to help with dpkg much |
| 19:39.42 | Gnea | ghb: and the results of cat /etc/debian_version are..? |
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| 19:40.07 | soon | where do I configure my kernel? /usr/src is empty ... |
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| 19:40.13 | ghb | Gnea: 3.1 |
| 19:40.15 | sparr | dondelelcaro: my dpkg "(Reading database..." has gotten slower and slower as i went from 1000 to 2000 to 3000 packages installed |
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| 19:41.18 | dondelelcaro | soon: you configure it wherever you've actually downloaded the packages to. |
| 19:41.20 | whqfdreca | Anyone have a problem in gnome where the taskbars don't show up? I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade and my gnome-menus package won't upgrade. this is in unstable also. |
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| 19:41.42 | azeem | ghb: check the logs for hints on why the other resolutions got dropped |
| 19:41.42 | abrotman | whqfdreca: it happens in testing/etch also |
| 19:41.47 | soon | I havent a clue where that might be |
| 19:41.49 | azeem | ghb: you're using vesa, that's why probably |
| 19:41.56 | abrotman | soon: configure to do what? |
| 19:41.59 | dondelelcaro | soon: did you install a kernel-source package? |
| 19:42.03 | whqfdreca | abrotman any fix to it, or just hae to wait until the newer package comes out |
| 19:42.10 | azeem | ghb: eh, vga even |
| 19:42.14 | azeem | ghb: at least use vesa |
| 19:42.19 | abrotman | whqfdreca: afaict .. wait |
| 19:42.23 | soon | I ran a netinst with kernel26 and I want to include a kernel module for my wifi |
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| 19:42.38 | azeem | soon: what kind of wifi? |
| 19:42.39 | abrotman | soon: which wifi is it? |
| 19:42.43 | soon | ipw2100 |
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| 19:42.44 | azeem | soon: use module-assisstenat |
| 19:42.45 | azeem | !m-a |
| 19:42.46 | dpkg | module-assistant is, like, a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
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| 19:42.52 | abrotman | !ipw2100 |
| 19:42.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. |
| 19:43.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: tell you what? |
| 19:43.09 | sparr | atime is in 1000ths of a second? |
| 19:43.10 | ghb | azeem: How do I do that? |
| 19:43.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: lying scot! |
| 19:43.33 | azeem | ghb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 19:43.49 | soon | couldnt find package ipw2100-source |
| 19:43.55 | dondelelcaro | sparr: it's generally reported in time since the epoch |
| 19:43.58 | ghb | azeem: And what do I select instead of vesa? |
| 19:44.02 | denis76 | Is there nobody that knows rs480 ati chipset? I have some problems to install debian on it. |
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| 19:44.24 | azeem | ghb: your paste indicates you selected vga instead of vesa |
| 19:44.30 | chealer9 | denis76: no. I heard God made them |
| 19:44.35 | ghb | azeem: Okay... |
| 19:44.48 | ghb | azeem: But what do I pick in order to get higher resolution? |
| 19:44.53 | azeem | ghb: vesa |
| 19:44.56 | itrebal | i'm trying to apt-get icu, version 3.4 - which afaik, has beena rround for a while - i'm rather new to debian, how come it doesnt exist when doing apt-cache search 'icu' and where can i get it? |
| 19:45.01 | azeem | ghb: what kind of graphics card do you have? |
| 19:45.03 | soon | is it likely that my mirror doesnt include ipw2100-source and module-assistant |
| 19:45.12 | sparr | dondelelcaro: whats the unit? |
| 19:45.31 | dondelelcaro | sparr: seconds |
| 19:45.33 | ghb | azeem: It's an onboard card. Sitting on an Intel 915GM chipset. |
| 19:45.35 | sparr | wow |
| 19:45.35 | azeem | soon: that's unlikeyl |
| 19:45.40 | sparr | ive got packages i havent used in 375 days |
| 19:45.41 | azeem | soon: at least for the lalter |
| 19:45.42 | cisse | itrebal: i see it in stable main |
| 19:45.44 | azeem | ah, latter |
| 19:45.49 | itrebal | cisse: whats it called? |
| 19:45.55 | cisse | itrebal: most likely you haven't configured /etc/apt/sources.list correctly |
| 19:45.58 | cisse | 'icu' |
| 19:46.06 | azeem | soon: ipw2100-source is in contrib, you need to add that to sources.list |
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| 19:46.11 | azeem | ghb: try vesa first |
| 19:46.20 | ghb | azeem: But didn't I have that already? |
| 19:46.27 | sparr | vesa "always" works :) |
| 19:46.29 | azeem | ghb: look, your paste indicates otherwise |
| 19:46.33 | itrebal | cisse: how do i configure it correctly..? i havn't done anything with it |
| 19:46.34 | sparr | if vesa doesnt work... youve got serious problems |
| 19:46.40 | azeem | ghb: did you even run dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 19:46.48 | ghb | azeem: I'm in there now. |
| 19:46.59 | ghb | azeem: I'll go with vesa and see if that works. |
| 19:47.02 | cisse | itrebal: google it or /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 19:47.02 | azeem | so hit return until you arrive at the driver selection |
| 19:47.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: pardon? |
| 19:47.20 | azeem | select vesa (if it isn't selected already), and then continue to hit return repeatedly |
| 19:47.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: WTF are you talking about? |
| 19:47.31 | azeem | tarzeau: popcon |
| 19:47.32 | soon | where do I define my sources list and include contrib? |
| 19:47.46 | azeem | soon: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:47.46 | sparr | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:47.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: don't make me pickle you! |
| 19:47.54 | tarzeau | popcon has 10099 submissions as per today |
| 19:47.59 | azeem | soon: replace 'main' with 'main contrib' |
| 19:48.03 | azeem | soon: then run apt-get update |
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| 19:48.18 | sandman | I've some errors @ boot that appear to be somewhat major.. I haven't seen a thing online that correlates with them at all, either. |
| 19:48.31 | sandman | When I boot, I get a distinct "Error" line, but nothing is displayed in any of the logs for it. |
| 19:48.54 | azeem | sandman: does it boot fine otherwiseß |
| 19:48.56 | sandman | It gives about 100 lines stating that what appears to be all the files under /proc as "FUNCTION NOT IMPLEMENTED" |
| 19:49.03 | sandman | azeem: It does. |
| 19:49.08 | sandman | But it's not a warning. It's an error. |
| 19:49.19 | azeem | sandman: what kernel are you running? |
| 19:49.23 | azeem | sandman: a self-made one? |
| 19:49.28 | sandman | I want to make sure that the other strange behavior my system is exhibiting isn't because of this. |
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| 19:49.38 | sandman | azeem: No. kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 19:49.54 | soon | Im now finding ipw2100 (module assistant was miss typed before .-) |
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| 19:50.04 | sandman | But there's no information in any of the logs for the error, so far as I can find. |
| 19:50.09 | sandman | It only appears @ the first console, and only at boot. |
| 19:50.16 | sandman | And there's so many lines I can't copy them all. |
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| 19:50.37 | sandman | Nor can I Shift+Page up to find hte top-most line of the list of errors, which makes it rather much worse. |
| 19:50.38 | azeem | sandman: run dmesg, and check whether there are other errors around it |
| 19:50.48 | azeem | dmesg | less will help |
| 19:51.07 | sandman | I've done that already, and there's nothing about proc or anything resembling the errors I received in there. |
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| 19:52.00 | sandman | I'm looking at it again now, to double check. Still not finding anything. |
| 19:52.14 | ghb | azeem: Nope, didn't work. I tried vga and vesa, and i810. |
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| 19:52.52 | lawnchair | hmm |
| 19:53.00 | lawnchair | my sshd is creating a pid file for some reason in /var/run |
| 19:53.05 | lawnchair | and the init.d script looks okay |
| 19:53.12 | sandman | lawnchair: Probably a result of a debian patch. |
| 19:53.18 | sandman | lawnchair: But that's just what I'm guessing. |
| 19:53.22 | lawnchair | what do you mean |
| 19:53.28 | lawnchair | im running stable if that matters |
| 19:53.31 | sandman | I'm not that superfamiliar with Debian yet, so I can't say for sure. |
| 19:53.36 | lawnchair | heh... |
| 19:53.40 | lawnchair | it works on the rest of my debian boxes |
| 19:53.43 | lawnchair | seems like its error on my part |
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| 19:53.48 | lawnchair | i just cant put my finger on it |
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| 19:54.07 | sandman | lawnchair: You mean to say it's _not_ creating a PID file on this particular system? |
| 19:54.12 | lawnchair | yup |
| 19:54.14 | Purdy | anyone know where i can find the 'tun' module for sarge ? |
| 19:54.25 | Suprano | hmm using nohup program the process should turn into the background, or ? |
| 19:54.27 | sandman | lawnchair: Hm. Try to dpkg-reconfigure it, see if you find anything. |
| 19:54.27 | tuv | which package has the 2.6 kernel documentation? |
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| 19:54.35 | Suprano | this dousn#t work for me |
| 19:54.35 | lawnchair | eh |
| 19:54.38 | lawnchair | ill dig around a bit more before that |
| 19:54.40 | sandman | Did you edit any of the files manually since install? If so, then dpkg-reconfigure may not do anything. |
| 19:54.54 | sandman | tuv: I know the sources will have it. |
| 19:54.58 | ghb | How do I configure xserver so I can use higher resolutions than 800x600? I've tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to set "vga" and "vesa", but it only works with "vesa" and then I only get 800x600. |
| 19:54.59 | sandman | tuv: Under Documentation/ |
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| 19:55.10 | Gnea | Suprano: is that what the manpage says? |
| 19:55.21 | sandman | ghb: There should be a resolution selection @ the end. What distribution are you running? |
| 19:55.32 | ghb | sandman: Newest Debian |
| 19:55.33 | nkuttler | Purdy: can't you modprobe tun? |
| 19:55.35 | Suprano | i read that somewhere, i didn't read it yet.. i'll do it now. |
| 19:55.38 | tuv | sandman: linux-source? |
| 19:55.39 | sandman | ghb: Debian Stable, you mean? |
| 19:55.44 | ghb | sandman: Yes |
| 19:55.47 | Purdy | i have a 2.4 kernel and when i 'modprobe tun', it says it can't locate that module |
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| 19:56.00 | nkuttler | Purdy: did you build that kernel yourself? |
| 19:56.02 | ghb | sandman: I posted my paste a while ago, but I don't have the address anymore... =( |
| 19:56.04 | Gnea | Purdy: then it's not there |
| 19:56.12 | sandman | ghb: Do it again plz. |
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| 19:56.18 | Gnea | !plz |
| 19:56.18 | dpkg | somebody said plz was german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 19:56.19 | sandman | tuv: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 19:56.23 | sandman | tuv: Select the one for your kernel. |
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| 19:56.26 | Purdy | nkuttler: if i did, it's been a long time ago |
| 19:56.49 | sandman | tuv: Then navigate to /usr/src, and the Documentation directory will be under the source package you decided to install. |
| 19:56.49 | nkuttler | that factoid is incorrect. Postleitzahl is PLZ |
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| 19:57.06 | Purdy | brb |
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| 19:57.23 | ghb | sandman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1818 |
| 19:57.27 | traderjoe | i'm trying to convert ps to pdf, but cant find a program to do it. suggestions? |
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| 19:57.41 | blondie | traderjoe: "ps2pdf"? |
| 19:57.44 | seank | hey i'd like to build my own DSPAM package, but not sure how to build packages. could someone point me to a straightforward tutorial? |
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| 19:57.47 | tuv | sandman: according to apt-file, linux-source-2.6.15 has only 4 files and no Documenation dir. |
| 19:57.50 | ghb | sandman: I'm using a laptop, by the way... |
| 19:57.56 | sandman | ghb: Did you manually edit for XF86Config-4? |
| 19:58.02 | itrebal | i've done some research and have deduced that libicu34-dev is only in a 'testing' server - and am having issues finding one.. i've searched google, but 90% of results are links to debian and either upgrading debian, or a testing ISO |
| 19:58.08 | Gnea | nkuttler: is it case sensitive? |
| 19:58.10 | sandman | tuv: What distibution are you using? |
| 19:58.11 | tuv | sandman: my bad.. i guess i forgot that i need to untar the source |
| 19:58.13 | ghb | sandman: Only to add "1280x800" to the resolution |
| 19:58.18 | eSCHEn | Hi, is there some way of making a program (namely apache and mysql) start automatically when I login? |
| 19:58.21 | sandman | tuv: And look for kernel-source |
| 19:58.30 | Yan^ | Hello people, I have a problem with "totem". this is not debian-specific, but maybe there is somebody who could help? |
| 19:58.37 | Gnea | eSCHEn: they don't already |
| 19:58.37 | Gnea | ? |
| 19:58.43 | nkuttler | Gnea: yes |
| 19:58.46 | tuv | sandman: for 2.6.15 it is linux-source |
| 19:58.52 | Gnea | Yan^: so you're not running debian? |
| 19:59.00 | parsek_77 | how can i check my screen resolution from CLI? |
| 19:59.07 | Yan^ | Gnea: no |
| 19:59.16 | Gnea | Yan^: what are you running? |
| 19:59.17 | streuner | Yan^: what distro do you use? |
| 19:59.21 | ghb | sandman: Hey wait a minute. Is there any difference between XF86Config and XF86Config-4?? |
| 19:59.22 | Yan^ | mandriva |
| 19:59.34 | eSCHEn | Gnea: No they don't, I have to do /usr/local/apache/bin/apacectl start |
| 19:59.41 | sandman | ghb: Okay. Well if you did, then the md5sum for the file won't match dpkg's md5sum for the file, and then, afaik, dpkg-reconfigure won't overwrite it. |
| 19:59.55 | sandman | ghb: I'm not exactly sure as to how to get around this.. |
| 20:00.04 | streuner | #mandriva 134 Welcome to the 'OFFICIAL' Mandriva help channel | ENGLISH |
| 20:00.04 | eSCHEn | MySQL complains about not having httpd in a libexec dir as well |
| 20:00.08 | Gnea | Yan^: try #mandriva |
| 20:00.09 | sandman | ghb: But you could manually add that resolution to the appropriate line @ XF86Config-4 |
| 20:00.09 | ghb | sandman... =( |
| 20:00.11 | thingfish | !tell ghb about xmd5 |
| 20:00.32 | Makineros63 | how can i record my screen ? |
| 20:00.35 | Gnea | eSCHEn: if you didn't install them via the normal debian way, then we don't support it. |
| 20:00.48 | streuner | Makineros63: /msg dpkg ss |
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| 20:01.19 | Yan^ | Gnea, streuner, Ok, i will try, but this is a strange thing which happens: I can not stop the "totem" process. I tried "skill" but it does not work, and totem-video-thu" continues to run, and occupies up to 90% of CPU |
| 20:01.22 | sandman | Is money the typical reason for forking Debian? |
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| 20:01.33 | sandman | Because it appears a lot of people fork it, for some level of money. |
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| 20:01.40 | Makineros63 | thanks streuner :) |
| 20:01.53 | sandman | Kind of ticks me off. But that's just what I've noticed. Are there any other reasons, silly or not? |
| 20:02.00 | ghb | sandman: They seem identical... |
| 20:02.01 | eSCHEn | Ah right, thanks anyway. I had to use an old version of them as I'm trying to emulate the configuration on an existing server. Was wondering if there was the equivalent of a 'Startup' directory on Windows. |
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| 20:02.36 | ghb | sandman: I've never touched XF86Config-4, only XF86Config. |
| 20:02.43 | sandman | ghb: You said you're running Debian? |
| 20:02.48 | ghb | sandman: yes |
| 20:02.54 | ghb | sandman: On a laptop. |
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| 20:03.08 | sandman | Hm.. I'm not sure which file Debian's X will read first, XF86Config or XF86Config-4 |
| 20:03.13 | sandman | Or if it'll read XF86Config at all. |
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| 20:03.30 | sandman | But if I were you, I'd get rid of XF86Config, or move it elsewhere, then try. |
| 20:03.42 | sandman | And if you haven't touched XF86Config-4, then dpkg-reconfigure should modify it successfully. |
| 20:03.45 | Kanda | hi all ! just updated my debian testing and the gnome panel (now 2.12) won't launch. Any other similar experience here ? Any hope for a fix ? thanks |
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| 20:03.48 | ghb | sandman: I've tried both vga and vesa. But the server crashes whenever I use vga, so I have to use vesa.. |
| 20:04.05 | thingfish | ghb: what video card do you have? |
| 20:04.18 | ghb | thingfish: It's embedded in the Intel 915GM chipset. |
| 20:04.23 | thingfish | ah, no wonder. |
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| 20:04.27 | Gnea | eSCHEn: update-rc.d should do it |
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| 20:04.32 | ghb | thingfish: Meaning? |
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| 20:04.59 | thingfish | ghb: that's a little on the new side, not sure if that's supported yet in sarge/XFree86. |
| 20:05.08 | thingfish | s/yet// |
| 20:05.10 | ghb | thingfish... =( |
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| 20:05.25 | eSCHEn | Gnea: Thanks! |
| 20:05.29 | broomy | is there any program that can read qp4 tabulature? |
| 20:05.32 | ghb | What's so great about linux if you can't use it!! |
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| 20:05.45 | Ronin | ghb: who said you cant use linux? |
| 20:05.58 | comforteagle | I'm trying to build perl from source but it says that I need a working cc compiler... /usr/bin/cc is sitting right there. any suggestions? |
| 20:06.03 | ghb | Ronin: *sob* Linux hates me! *sob* |
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| 20:06.14 | broomy | ghb, what happened? |
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| 20:06.18 | Gnea | fucking crybaby, this isn't kindergarten |
| 20:06.22 | The_Login | hello |
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| 20:06.44 | jhkjhk | Where is the configuration file for iptables on debian/testing? |
| 20:06.54 | chealer9 | comforteagle: yes, tell us when it says that |
| 20:07.01 | ghb | broomy: I can't use any higher res than 800x600. It seems I'm stuck to using vesa, since xserver crashes whenever I try vga. |
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| 20:07.22 | broomy | wierd, did you download drivers for your card? |
| 20:07.27 | thingfish | broomy: he's got an onboard video chip, i915 chipset, and is unable to get it recognized. |
| 20:07.42 | broomy | oh, well thats a hard one to crack |
| 20:08.00 | broomy | im gonna post my question again: |
| 20:08.01 | comforteagle | chealer9, after it says "Congratulations. You aren't running Eunice" |
| 20:08.01 | bucky | jhkjhk, zless /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitdscript.gz |
| 20:08.02 | broomy | is there any program that can read qp4 tabulature |
| 20:08.23 | ghb | broomy: Strange thing is, Ubuntu finds the correct chipset and all. =/ |
| 20:08.24 | thingfish | yeah, ghb's only chance is perhaps an upgrade (!) to etch or sid, hoping that xorg supports it. |
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| 20:08.58 | dondelelcaro | ghb: just get a backport of xorg to stable if you're convinced that that is the problem |
| 20:09.13 | thingfish | oh there you go, I keep forgetting about backports.org. |
| 20:09.24 | ghb | dondelelcaro: backports...? |
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| 20:09.47 | dondelelcaro | ghb: yes. Visit www.backports.org |
| 20:09.50 | jhkjhk | bucky: Can you do me a big favor and zcat that file and put it on www.rafb.net/paste with iptables --version also...(I'm on a windows pc currently and I need this info) |
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| 20:09.59 | dondelelcaro | ghb: you'll add a sources.list for xorg, and you will be able to install it. |
| 20:10.09 | bucky | jhkjhk, ok |
| 20:10.14 | ghb | dondelelcaro, Righto. Will try that. |
| 20:10.26 | thingfish | ghb: add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main |
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| 20:10.37 | jhkjhk | awesome bucky thanks I a lot I really appreciate the help. |
| 20:10.37 | tuv | hmm.. the "conservative" cpu frequency scaling governor doesn't seem to be documented in the kernel docs.. any suggested resources? |
| 20:10.50 | thingfish | ghb: then do apt-get update, then apt-get install xorg (and cross fingers). |
| 20:11.05 | valdyn | tuv: its documented in 'make menuconfig' iirc |
| 20:11.27 | britt____ | is there an additional conf file for enabling tls biesdes the main exim4 conf file? |
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| 20:11.57 | comforteagle | chealer9, does that make sense? |
| 20:11.58 | broomy | where can i get DGuitar for debian? |
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| 20:12.06 | Zrin | is there a unix tool for pnm stream dumping? |
| 20:12.18 | chealer9 | comforteagle: I don't know, but that doesn't answer my question |
| 20:12.24 | ghb | thingfish, *crossing fingers* |
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| 20:12.31 | thingfish | ghb: I don't know where you got XF86Config from - afaik, Sarge only uses XF86Config-4 |
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| 20:12.50 | ghb | thingfish, If I don't return, you know what happened. =) |
| 20:12.51 | tuv | if the symlink /usr/src/linux points to an older kernel headers, will module-assistant use the old or the new headers (both are installed)? |
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| 20:13.11 | thingfish | ghb: did you look over the list of packages to be installed/removed/upgraded? |
| 20:13.31 | thingfish | ghb: nothing major, like gnome or kde listed as to be removed? |
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| 20:13.41 | comforteagle | chealer9, ok.. so can you give a better idea of what you mean by "tell us when it says that"? |
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| 20:13.58 | tuv | valdyn: can't i access that documentation without making menuconfig |
| 20:13.59 | tuv | ? |
| 20:14.14 | ghb | thingfish, I can't find the xorg package |
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| 20:14.26 | Uberriffic | every now and then a window in screen will freeze. I dont think it's truly frozen, but I don't get how-to get to start responding again? Anyone know how to get past this issue in scree ? |
| 20:14.27 | thingfish | ghb: let me see something... |
| 20:14.30 | chealer9 | comforteagle: what did you do before it said that? |
| 20:14.31 | Uberriffic | *screen |
| 20:14.48 | comforteagle | chealer9, "sh Configure" |
| 20:14.50 | broomy | dguitar for debian anybody? |
| 20:14.51 | bucky | jhkjhk, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ekbPtt82.html |
| 20:14.59 | jhkjhk | awesome bucky thanks I a lot I really appreciate the help. |
| 20:15.09 | Purdy | Uberriffic: I ran into that when i would hit control-s |
| 20:15.10 | thingfish | ghb: did you apt-get update after adding the new line? |
| 20:15.11 | ghb | thingfish, Oh wait! Found it! xserver-xorg |
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| 20:15.26 | Purdy | Uberriffic: i think hitting control-q would undo that |
| 20:15.29 | soon | I now want to install the ATI proprietary graphics driver ... how can I tell which Xfree version I have installed? |
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| 20:15.35 | chealer9 | comforteagle: "sh Configure"? why don't you just dpkg-buildpackage or something similar? |
| 20:15.35 | Uberriffic | Purdy: that's what I did, trying to save a file |
| 20:15.43 | Uberriffic | Purdy: thank you, that fixed it |
| 20:15.53 | Purdy | Uberriffic: np :) |
| 20:16.02 | valdyn | tuv: http://paste.debian.net/4442 |
| 20:16.06 | chealer9 | soon: $ X -version |
| 20:16.06 | ghb | thingfish, Will this mean I'm going to use a different x server...? |
| 20:16.14 | thingfish | ghb: cool. now be sure to check what's lined up for installation and removal. |
| 20:16.21 | thingfish | ghb: yes, of course. |
| 20:16.21 | soon | that was simple :-) |
| 20:16.40 | ghb | thingfish, I didn't find anything fishy in the installation/removal list... |
| 20:16.44 | thingfish | ghb: xorg instead of xfree86. |
| 20:16.46 | tuv | valdyn: thanks alot |
| 20:16.46 | ac3 | how can i install only the kernel from unstable? I´ve added unstable sources to apt/sources.list. And listed stable as highir priority then unstable (pinning), but i don´t want apt to be able to install any unstable package (now it installs the unstable package if the stable does not exist e.G.) |
| 20:16.55 | ghb | thingfish, What's the difference, really? |
| 20:16.58 | soon | the driver is supplied as an rpm file .... |
| 20:16.58 | Zrin | is there a tool to record pnm:// stream? |
| 20:16.59 | ac3 | How can i achieve this? |
| 20:17.04 | broomy | http://packages.debian.org is down :( |
| 20:17.08 | soon | is that a problem? |
| 20:17.08 | Kanda | Zrin, mplayer |
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| 20:17.16 | streuner | broomy: /topic |
| 20:17.25 | valdyn | ac3: you cant use unstable kernels without unstable packages |
| 20:17.52 | soon | btw shouldnt one abandone Xfree for Xorg instead? |
| 20:18.05 | thingfish | ghb: support for vidcards and licensing. |
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| 20:18.12 | ghb | thingfish, Okay, it's installed. now how do I select that I should use xorg instead of xfree86? |
| 20:18.13 | Zrin | Kanda: mplayer fails for streams i'm trying to record ... prehaps because they have some new format (?) |
| 20:18.16 | cisse | soon: i like xorg |
| 20:18.16 | Suprano | hmm.. i setup my jabber server |
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| 20:18.23 | Gnea | soon: it's in the process. |
| 20:18.25 | Suprano | i was able to register a new user using miranda |
| 20:18.29 | chealer9 | soon: one running which Debian release? |
| 20:18.30 | Suprano | but i can'T login |
| 20:18.34 | Suprano | authentication failed says miranda |
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| 20:18.38 | soon | one think is 3.1 |
| 20:18.39 | Suprano | and the serverlogsays |
| 20:18.42 | thingfish | ghb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:18.45 | Suprano | Mon Feb 13 22:10:00 2006 [notice] [7] auth succeeded: username=suprano, resource=Miranda |
| 20:18.48 | soon | netinst |
| 20:18.49 | Suprano | Mon Feb 13 22:10:00 2006 [notice] [7] requesting session: jid=suprano@../Miranda |
| 20:18.54 | Suprano | Mon Feb 13 22:10:00 2006 [notice] [7] [217.184.107.90, port=1221] disconnect |
| 20:18.57 | k31th | Ayone recomend a decent guide to postfix, wat is howtoforge like ? |
| 20:19.02 | soon | how to install an rpm file one wonders |
| 20:19.07 | ghb | thingfish, What the...! Now it's telling me it's not installed! |
| 20:19.11 | chealer9 | soon: why would one want to lose security support and stable's stability? |
| 20:19.17 | Gnea | Supaplex: is that some sort of default setup? |
| 20:19.17 | ac3 | valdyn: why? i checked the depend package versions and sarge should be ok |
| 20:19.21 | cisse | k31th: the postfix wiki is fantastic |
| 20:20.13 | chealer9 | !tell soon about alien |
| 20:20.14 | tuv | looks like module-assistant is smart enough not to be fooled by the misleading /usr/src/linux symlink :) |
| 20:20.14 | soon | one also likes shootfighting and other extreme sports :-) |
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| 20:20.14 | thingfish | ghb: paste the error to paster |
| 20:20.14 | thingfish | !paster |
| 20:20.14 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 20:20.14 | comforteagle | chealer9, I'm new to debian... would that be the same as apt-get installing perl? |
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| 20:20.21 | k31th | cisse: the guide im following on howtoforge uses mysql for the postfix db is this a good / bad ideal ? |
| 20:20.28 | ghb | thingfish, Ah got it |
| 20:20.41 | chealer9 | comforteagle: if you mean "apt-get install perl", no, since that command installs precompiled Debian packages |
| 20:20.56 | britt____ | exim4 and tls: does anybody know how to get it to work besides the obvious config files |
| 20:20.58 | cisse | k31th: um database backend is good, unless your config is enterprise grade i don't think it's necessary (i prefer postgres btw) |
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| 20:21.30 | k31th | cisse: its just for webhosting |
| 20:21.37 | cisse | britt: first response on google for 'exim tls' http://james.onegoodcookie.com/?p=85 |
| 20:21.42 | cisse | k31th: how many users ? |
| 20:21.52 | k31th | atm not many users but id like to use some thing to future proof it |
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| 20:21.58 | k31th | do the harder work now etc |
| 20:22.03 | cisse | yeah go with the db then |
| 20:22.07 | k31th | ok kool |
| 20:22.15 | cisse | i would suggest postgresql |
| 20:22.19 | cisse | because of mysql licensing issues |
| 20:22.21 | Gnea | Suprano: er, is that some sort of default setup? |
| 20:22.24 | cisse | and i think postgres is a superior database |
| 20:22.25 | ghb | thingfish, Okay, now it's configured... |
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| 20:22.31 | ghb | thingfish, brb |
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| 20:22.50 | Suprano | Gnea, no i edited the configs myself.. |
| 20:22.52 | k31th | guess ill follow the howtoforge guide as it must of been reviewed etc and its for deb sarge |
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| 20:23.00 | Suprano | well i used apt-get |
| 20:23.03 | k31th | oh, wats the license hang up on mysql ? |
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| 20:23.10 | Suprano | and than edited the configs |
| 20:23.13 | Gnea | Suprano: then how would we know how to help you fix it? |
| 20:23.24 | cisse | k31th: i'm not too sure, but i think if it's used commercially at all anymore you need to license it |
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| 20:23.33 | k31th | really ? |
| 20:23.47 | cisse | that's what i've read |
| 20:24.01 | k31th | id of thought deb would of stopped inc it the repos |
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| 20:24.31 | Suprano | Gnea, there could habe been the possibility that i am experiencing a typical noob-error.. |
| 20:24.49 | orya | how do you check which version of Debian is installed? |
| 20:24.50 | Gnea | Suprano: probably, so what config files did you edit and for what purpose? |
| 20:25.02 | Gnea | orya: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:25.09 | cisse | k31th: still free for personal use tho |
| 20:25.11 | orya | Gnea: thanks |
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| 20:25.55 | k31th | hummm... perhaps i should stop using mysql |
| 20:26.17 | cisse | postgresql is a better DB for the most part.. |
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| 20:26.43 | Suprano | Gnea, i edited c2s.xml and sm.xml (i used the help of http://jabberd.jabberstudio.org/2/docs/section04_4.html) |
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| 20:27.01 | Gnea | Suprano: oh, for jabberd? |
| 20:27.08 | Suprano | yes .. jabberd2 |
| 20:27.17 | Gnea | never used it before |
| 20:27.32 | icebit | hi all |
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| 20:27.35 | Suprano | hm ok |
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| 20:27.43 | Gnea | !tell Suprano -about jabber |
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| 20:27.50 | Gnea | looks like they've got their own channel |
| 20:27.55 | Gnea | i'd go there |
| 20:28.12 | Suprano | i am already there.. |
| 20:28.23 | Suprano | but seems no one is alive |
| 20:28.33 | Gnea | dunno then |
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| 20:29.13 | Suprano | well .ty anyway |
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| 20:31.09 | ZeNN | to anyone: little routing question, when a router has two nics (ath0=192.168.1.1 eth0=10.0.0.101) from the ath0 interface i can reach 10.0.0.101 but not the rest of the 10.0.0.0 network. /etc/network/options ip_foward=yes is thus enabled |
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| 20:31.19 | ZeNN | what am i overlooking ? |
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| 20:33.47 | bucky | ZeNN, check out netfilter.org fot howto/tutorial on forwarding |
| 20:34.06 | ZeNN | k, i'll take a look |
| 20:34.51 | bucky | ZeNN, i use this link from that page http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialIptablesNetworkGateway.html |
| 20:35.15 | ZeNN | thanks, this looks like useful info |
| 20:35.48 | kjs3 | Has anyone seen a debian install hang up consistently when trying to install the kernel (kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386) with a mkinitrd failure of "too many open files"? |
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| 20:36.24 | RagingMind | anyone else having the problem that the new hal is taking several minutes to load? |
| 20:36.58 | PupenoL | hello. |
| 20:37.01 | PupenoL | Does anybody know if it is possible to send CRLF with netcat ? (to communicate with Asterisk Manager Interface) |
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| 20:38.00 | thingfish | RagingMind: you could look at bugs.debian.org/hal maybe. |
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| 20:38.28 | thingfish | although that's just a guess. |
| 20:38.40 | ZeNN | bucky: this tutorial is about firewalling and port forwarding with iptables and ipchains ... what i want to do is set up a router (iproute2) |
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| 20:39.16 | RagingMind | gah! I hate going through bugtracking stuff... there's so much to wade through... and most of it is complete gibberish to me :( |
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| 20:39.32 | thingfish | oh, now |
| 20:40.06 | thingfish | well anyone that runs etch or sid absolutely needs to be familiar with BTS. |
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| 20:40.52 | thingfish | I'm not that technical, and I can understand most everything I read at the BTS. |
| 20:40.57 | thingfish | If I can, you can. |
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| 20:41.47 | soon | my brain is full ... can i be excused? Thank you for your kind assistance ... I think I might stick with Debian ... |
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| 20:44.25 | _unstable | Where are the configuration settings for iptables? |
| 20:44.28 | mhall | what does it mean if i'm ltracing something and i get killed by SIGTRAP |
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| 20:44.53 | gnufan | ZeNN: what sort of a router? At its simplest all you need it to enable the ip forwarding, but routers usually need more than that - BGP, OSPF or some other routing protocol -- all beyond me routing protocols -- I did something in RIP once and it worked. |
| 20:45.13 | Gnea | _unstable: there are iptables configuration files? |
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| 20:45.51 | ZeNN | gnufan: i was thinking of a static router |
| 20:45.59 | ZeNN | not dynamic like BGP or OSPF |
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| 20:46.04 | cisse | mhall: something funky is going on with how breakpoints are handled |
| 20:46.06 | tzfardea | hey when i'm saying something to the microphone i hear it in the speakers, how can i stop it? |
| 20:46.18 | cisse | mhall: perl ? |
| 20:46.50 | mhall | cisse: firefox |
| 20:46.54 | cisse | ee |
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| 20:46.58 | mhall | cisse: it's working like ass and i can't figure out why |
| 20:47.01 | _unstable | Gnea: how do I ocnfigure iptables...I don't see any configuration files or how to add rules and where they save. |
| 20:47.09 | mhall | cisse: i want to know if it's the network or the browser |
| 20:47.18 | cisse | mhall: only time i've run into it was debugging some perl scripts, as i recall sigtrap is used to implement signal handlers |
| 20:47.25 | gnufan | ZeNN: Look at http://linuxgazette.net/issue77/lechnyr.html search for forward |
| 20:47.33 | starfishy | tzfardea: it might help if you tell us whic application you are using |
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| 20:48.07 | tzfardea | starfishy, it's not happens when i'm using some application, it's happens all the time |
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| 20:48.32 | gnufan | ZeNN: literally set one 0 to 1 to enable forwarding... |
| 20:48.34 | prock | I need a sound daemon... does alsa do this or do I need to install another package? |
| 20:48.43 | dingus8 | how do I set up auto mounting for usb devices? |
| 20:48.48 | dondelelcaro | mhall: it means that someone sent it a kill 5 or similar |
| 20:48.50 | _unstable | prock: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
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| 20:49.03 | _unstable | dingus8: apt-get install usbmount |
| 20:49.06 | _unstable | !tell dingus8 about usbmount |
| 20:49.27 | _unstable | prock: then type "alsaconf" as root, and then "alsamixer" as the user you want to play sound as. |
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| 20:49.46 | starfishy | tzfardea: open mixer app, switch off microphone |
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| 20:50.03 | _unstable | tzfardea: turn off your speakers? |
| 20:50.07 | jair_11 | exit |
| 20:50.15 | User1 | hey guyz |
| 20:50.16 | tuv | ZeNN: have you set the dual-interface machine as gateway in the machine trying to access the other network? |
| 20:50.17 | BladeRunner05 | Hi all I'm looking for a good solution for backup locally and remotely (opensource) who knows ? |
| 20:50.30 | _unstable | !tell BladeRunner05 about rsync |
| 20:50.39 | tzfardea | starfishy, i switched the microphone but now i can't record |
| 20:50.57 | tuv | BladeRunner05: rdiff-backup (maybe using backupninja) is a great choice.. you can always use rsync too. |
| 20:51.02 | User1 | 2day is my 1st day 2 shift to Debian ! it'z cool |
| 20:51.21 | prock | _unstable: thanks |
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| 20:51.37 | starfishy | tzfardea: if you want to record, switch on the microphone |
| 20:51.38 | BladeRunner05 | thanks guys, do those pkgs incremental backup ? |
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| 20:51.44 | starfishy | you cant have it both ways |
| 20:52.06 | starfishy | if the speakers are a problem, either mute the output while recording or use a set of headphones |
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| 20:53.08 | gnufan | tuv: guess that is the problem with routing changes on your desktop ;) Bye ZeNN |
| 20:53.13 | tzfardea | starfishy, can't i just do that i'll not here the microphone in the speakers? |
| 20:53.22 | tzfardea | hear |
| 20:53.30 | sandman | How useful is S.M.A.R.T.? |
| 20:53.32 | tuv | BladeRunner05: yup.. both do. rdiff-backup has the extra feature of identifying the increments by date so you can restore what you had in a given date. rsync just make a copy |
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| 20:53.50 | mhall | dondelelcaro: only one user :-) |
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| 20:54.17 | starfishy | tzfardea: not that i know of - why would you want to do that anyway? |
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| 20:54.18 | _unstable | sandman: apt-get install smartmontools and find out. |
| 20:54.32 | BladeRunner05 | tuv: is rdiff-backup open source ? |
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| 20:54.44 | Sonny | hi, could you tell me is this combination its working good under debian etch? php5, mysql5 and apache2 |
| 20:54.49 | tuv | BladeRunner05: better yet.. it's in debian! |
| 20:54.53 | epsilon | sandman: very useful |
| 20:55.01 | _unstable | Sonny: yes |
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| 20:55.07 | epsilon | just need to understand the output |
| 20:55.14 | BladeRunner05 | tuv: tnx |
| 20:55.24 | cisse | Sonny: i run it under sid fine |
| 20:55.27 | tuv | BladeRunner05: i found it easier to configure rdiff-backup using backupninja.. |
| 20:55.31 | tzfardea | starfishy, it's annyoing |
| 20:55.53 | epsilon | php5 & mysql5 aren't in sarge iirc |
| 20:56.15 | Sonny | do you know if mambo server works good with them? |
| 20:56.18 | _unstable | epsilon: he said "etch" not sarge. |
| 20:56.24 | cisse | epsilon: used unstable/testing sources in sid |
| 20:56.30 | cisse | ah i'm probably wrong anyways |
| 20:57.07 | Sonny | mambo server + php5, mysql5 and apache2 .... are working goog together? |
| 20:57.24 | sandman | epsilon: How often can you detect whether or not there's an error on the hdd before it really becomes a problem? |
| 20:57.37 | cisse | a lot with smarttools |
| 20:57.38 | _unstable | Sonny: yes |
| 20:57.41 | deuce868 | Sonny: I use joomla on a php5 server with apache 2 just fine |
| 20:57.52 | BladeRunner05 | tuv: I have installed both rdiff-backup and backupninja, in wich way I can configure backup ? |
| 20:58.18 | tuv | BladeRunner05: read backupninja docs.. forget about rdiff-backup |
| 20:58.20 | epsilon | sandman: there's in most case warning sign in smart output... just need to be read regulary |
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| 20:58.38 | sandman | epsilon: Is there an applet or something I could snap onto a panel in gnome for it? |
| 20:58.45 | seb- | anyone got pam_tally (PAM module) to work in Debian? |
| 20:58.50 | epsilon | sandman: not I know of |
| 20:59.06 | nvz | sandman: applet for what? |
| 20:59.06 | sandman | Wish there was. |
| 20:59.07 | _unstable | !tell BladeRunner05 about debian-it |
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| 20:59.11 | _unstable | !tell seb- about anyone |
| 20:59.24 | epsilon | sandman: you have to buil cron + shellscript which mails you |
| 20:59.31 | seb- | pam_tally never updates count....sound familiar? |
| 20:59.42 | sandman | epsilon: Perhaps a Debian package should be made of this. |
| 20:59.44 | seb- | any ideas? |
| 21:00.01 | mentor | smartd? |
| 21:00.04 | abrotman | !any idea |
| 21:00.04 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and 5 or 6 rabid hamsters. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 21:00.07 | sandman | Does anyone else often get errors about: pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 evaluate _BBN fail=0x5 |
| 21:00.19 | mentor | But where will we find a donkey at this time of night? |
| 21:00.28 | abrotman | mentor: it's daylight somewhere |
| 21:00.28 | mentor | And I've only got half a punnet of gooseberries left. |
| 21:00.39 | abrotman | !beer mentor |
| 21:00.46 | _unstable | sandman: did you put those errors into google...I bet that will give you results. |
| 21:01.05 | mentor | mm beer. |
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| 21:01.21 | nvz | mmm trees |
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| 21:01.39 | oskie | anyone know why music skips (100% CPU) when you show/hide playlist in BMP? |
| 21:01.56 | BladeRunner05 | tuv: backupninja needs rdiff-backup to work ? |
| 21:02.07 | nvz | those fucking sprint assholes had the audacity to turn off my phone again saying I went over my spending limit.. they were just trying to fuck me again.. but they were surprised when they bent me over and saw the asshole blocker 2000 |
| 21:02.15 | mhall | sandman: linux acpi has a mailing list onto which you should still post |
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| 21:03.21 | mhall | !be nvz |
| 21:03.21 | dpkg | OMFG, women's clothes are SO CONFUSING, this must be why you all suck! |
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| 21:03.31 | nvz | I called *2 customer service and she says "can I help you" and I say "you can turn my phone back on" and she says "you are over your limit you will need to make a payment" and I said "no, you need to adjust my balance before I call a lawyer" and my phone was back on in 5 min |
| 21:03.47 | tuv | BladeRunner05: yup, but you don't need to configure both. if you configure backupninja it will run rdiff-backup for you without any further configuration |
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| 21:04.18 | FarrisG | I've got dhcpd running on a debian box, and a bunch of windows clients are getting "access is denied" when they try to renew. But there is no error on the server side. Any ideas? |
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| 21:04.22 | BladeRunner05 | tuv: a good docs for backupninja ??? google don't seems to find a good yet! |
| 21:04.32 | _unstable | oskie: What is bmp? |
| 21:04.39 | nvz | they had charges for like 5 different billing periods including ones in the future.. which I've only had my phone for like 2 months they are assholes |
| 21:04.40 | sandman | Bitmap |
| 21:05.01 | tuv | BladeRunner05: /usr/share/doc/backupninja, man. |
| 21:05.06 | BladeRunner05 | ok |
| 21:05.06 | _unstable | oskie: !tell oskie about ask |
| 21:05.14 | nvz | I would love to just pay off my contract and be done with it.. but I cant send them any money, cause they will feel free to charge me for anything they feel like it |
| 21:05.15 | _unstable | !tell oskie about ask |
| 21:05.30 | mhall | nvz: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/complaints.aspx |
| 21:05.43 | nvz | mhall: cool :) |
| 21:05.58 | cisse | sigh how do you go about mounting lvm paritions from a live cd |
| 21:06.32 | mhall | nvz: write it clearly concisely and in a sensible order. no yinzer rant. |
| 21:06.59 | Supaplex | how much disk space does a full debian package repository mirror use? |
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| 21:07.03 | oskie | _unstable: Beep Media Player |
| 21:07.04 | nvz | mhall: heh that will be hard |
| 21:07.15 | nvz | mhall: especially since I was royally pissed about it |
| 21:07.19 | mhall | nvz: toughen up. what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. |
| 21:07.24 | plb | hrm I just installed firefox from backports and when I try to start it says seg fault and the log shows firefox-bin[2824] general protection rip:2a9599a104 rsp:7fbffff2c8 error:0 |
| 21:07.26 | mhall | nvz: what a few days before you send it |
| 21:07.30 | plb | anyone got a clue about this? |
| 21:07.32 | cisse | Supaplex: gigs and gigs |
| 21:07.43 | Supaplex | 20? 40? 80? |
| 21:07.46 | nvz | mhall: what doesnt kill me costs me money in this case |
| 21:07.52 | mhall | !tell plb about bts |
| 21:08.04 | britt____ | that doc didnt help BTW |
| 21:08.07 | mhall | plb: move your dotfiles out of the way and try again |
| 21:08.12 | cisse | Supaplex: depends on what architectures you support, if you do main contrib or non-free etc. |
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| 21:08.23 | Supaplex | oh yeah |
| 21:08.24 | cisse | Supaplex: why do you want to know |
| 21:08.39 | Supaplex | I'm considering setting up a local mirror |
| 21:08.41 | plb | mhall: did that |
| 21:08.43 | plb | same thing |
| 21:08.48 | cisse | why would you want to do that supaplex ? |
| 21:08.53 | mhall | plb: damn |
| 21:09.01 | mhall | !tell plb about sdn |
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| 21:09.20 | Supaplex | less wait on updates/downloads etc. |
| 21:09.31 | nvz | I love this sticker I seen on the deoderant at the store.. it was boasting "Invisible Strength" I guess they just want you to take their word on that one. |
| 21:09.42 | deadcat | is it true that if i use "Option "NvAGP" "1"", i have to disable the agpgart module? |
| 21:09.47 | mhall | plb: see if you can figure out what version fucks up |
| 21:09.48 | deadcat | for better performance |
| 21:10.00 | plb | mhall: its 1.5 in backports |
| 21:10.09 | _unstable | mhall: You can reportbugs to bts if you sources are from backports.org? |
| 21:10.13 | cisse | Supaplex: run approx or apt-cache instead, it willi cache already downloaded packages, it's exactly what you want |
| 21:10.25 | abrotman | _unstable: no |
| 21:10.29 | mhall | _unstable: no the idea was to *check* for bugs not *report* any |
| 21:10.33 | mhall | plb: no the idea was to *check* for bugs not *report* any |
| 21:10.50 | mhall | plb: you might have to build it from the source |
| 21:11.17 | Supaplex | cisse: for multiple machines? |
| 21:11.23 | _unstable | plb: firefox from unstable works great for me, I wouldn't use backports ever. imho |
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| 21:11.40 | cisse | Supaplex: yep, you setup your sources.list to point to a single machine running approx or apt-cache, then it caches dowlnoaded packages =D |
| 21:11.41 | mhall | _unstable: that can't be right |
| 21:11.52 | thingfish | _unstable: why would you never use backports.org? |
| 21:12.02 | mhall | _unstable: firefox is C++ and unstable and sarge do not have the same C++ ABI |
| 21:12.02 | plb | mhall: I tried running it from the pkg provided on mozilla...i get the same thing |
| 21:12.18 | Sonny | which one is better? mambo server o joomla? |
| 21:12.29 | _unstable | thingfish: because I use unstable I don't need to. |
| 21:12.32 | mhall | Sonny: backup softs? |
| 21:12.33 | thingfish | I would think one would be more likely to run things from backports, than from sid or etch. |
| 21:12.34 | Supaplex | cool. |
| 21:12.46 | thingfish | _unstable: that's probably a good reason. :) |
| 21:12.49 | cisse | Supaplex: it's super easy http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/338 |
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| 21:13.01 | Supaplex | thanks! |
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| 21:13.05 | cisse | wow ok why did /boot completely and totally disappear from this machine |
| 21:13.10 | mhall | plb: strace. ltrace. apt-get. man. |
| 21:13.14 | abrotman | cisse: rm -r /boot/ ? |
| 21:13.21 | mhall | abrotman: lol |
| 21:13.31 | cisse | abrotman: heh i wish i had done that it would be clearer what happened |
| 21:13.32 | mhall | abrotman: i never have to worry about typing those out when you're here |
| 21:13.42 | mhall | abrotman: you do it faster and better than i ever could |
| 21:13.50 | Sonny | mhall, I mean to make a web page.... mambo or joomla? |
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| 21:13.57 | mhall | abrotman: by the time i think of one to start typing, you hit return |
| 21:14.01 | mhall | Sonny: oh content management |
| 21:14.06 | Sonny | mhall, yep |
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| 21:14.31 | mhall | Sonny: you have to be careful with PHP content management because of security holes. there is a site called opensourcecms that has live demos of every one you could imagine. |
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| 21:14.53 | mhall | Sonny: so you might google it up and play with it a while; that's the best i can tell you because i'm no web hacker |
| 21:14.55 | SerajewelKS | CMSes are overrated |
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| 21:15.16 | SerajewelKS | i'm considering taking down the CMS at yics.org and replacing it with simple HTML+CSS |
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| 21:15.26 | abrotman | mhall: i had my crack today |
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| 21:15.51 | SerajewelKS | i had some coffee and applesauce today... |
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| 21:16.14 | plb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.16 | plb | argh |
| 21:16.19 | SerajewelKS | mom's homemade applesauce = <3 |
| 21:16.23 | cisse | SerajewelKS: just use a CMS that lets you control the html + css |
| 21:16.27 | plb | damn |
| 21:16.28 | Sonny | mhall. I suppose that mambo server it well done right?.... and security tested |
| 21:16.54 | mhall | Sonny: yes good testing is key, and you need to regularly patch and upgrade your shit of course |
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| 21:17.08 | mhall | Sonny: it also helps to read the apache 1/2 manual pages and write very good conf files |
| 21:17.12 | SerajewelKS | cisse: meh... CMSes also hit the database server too often... |
| 21:17.17 | mhall | Sonny: the better the conf files, the less crap people can hack |
| 21:17.29 | mhall | SerajewelKS: good ones use PHP caching |
| 21:17.44 | mhall | SerajewelKS: so, hit the servers once per page update which is thoroughly reasonable |
| 21:17.47 | cisse | mmcache ++ |
| 21:18.00 | mhall | SerajewelKS: this is how ex. wikipedia stays functional despite horryfying traffic |
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| 21:18.07 | SerajewelKS | mhall: true.. still though for such a simple site as yics.org i don't think i need a full-blown cms |
| 21:18.16 | marccd-g | how can I give a normal user access to /dev/input/js0? |
| 21:18.23 | oskie | VERY bad sound with ALSA, OSS is ok tho... (via82xx) strange. |
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| 21:18.30 | SerajewelKS | marccd-g: man chgrp |
| 21:18.34 | resiak | Good websites don't use PHP |
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| 21:18.42 | SerajewelKS | !start a language war |
| 21:18.42 | dpkg | BASIC is more efficient than C |
| 21:18.43 | bucky | SerajewelKS, what is yics.org running on... a PII 166 ? |
| 21:18.48 | marccd-g | SerajewelKS: yeah but will the perms change on reboot? |
| 21:18.54 | SerajewelKS | bucky: whatever sf.net uses |
| 21:18.55 | marccd-g | SerajewelKS: I believe hotplug handles it |
| 21:19.20 | oskie | what device in /dev does ALSA use for sound output? |
| 21:19.20 | SerajewelKS | bucky: in other words, it's probably close to that, yeah |
| 21:19.34 | mhall | resiak: tell that to the corporations that have good luck with it |
| 21:19.37 | SerajewelKS | marccd-g: TIAS |
| 21:19.47 | resiak | mhall: It's a horrible crock of shit |
| 21:19.48 | marccd-g | SerajewelKS: eh? |
| 21:19.53 | SerajewelKS | !tias |
| 21:19.53 | dpkg | i guess tias is try it and see |
| 21:19.59 | bingo | hi, is there an effort for fixing udev/kernel 2.6.15 packages bug on testing? |
| 21:20.09 | mhall | resiak: that seems unfair |
| 21:20.11 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: tias is also what you should have done first |
| 21:20.11 | dpkg | okay, SerajewelKS |
| 21:20.15 | marccd-g | see #alsa oskie |
| 21:20.24 | two_am | ey guys. i need some help with the debian installer |
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| 21:20.37 | oskie | marccd-g: thanks! |
| 21:20.45 | cisse | resiak: what do good websites use, asp and jsp ? |
| 21:20.46 | mhall | ~hello |
| 21:20.48 | apt | Howdy Bub |
| 21:20.51 | two_am | im trying to use software raid on / |
| 21:20.53 | SerajewelKS | cisse: html |
| 21:20.58 | cisse | lol |
| 21:20.59 | marccd-g | SerajewelKS: yeah whatever, fixed it by myself |
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| 21:21.12 | mhall | what's the difference these days between the dpkg and apt bots. practically nobody uses apt anymore |
| 21:21.13 | two_am | is anyone here currently running md for the boot device? |
| 21:21.16 | resiak | cisse: Perl and Python are both real programming languages, which haven't got moronic "design" decisions. |
| 21:21.17 | SerajewelKS | marccd-g: see? you didn't need my help. =) |
| 21:21.20 | two_am | using either the testing or stable installer? |
| 21:21.34 | mhall | resiak: that's not true. both of them have horrible design decisions |
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| 21:21.40 | SerajewelKS | mhall: presumably, apt is here for when dpkg dies |
| 21:21.46 | mhall | resiak: Perl has a thoroughly broken thread architecture |
| 21:21.52 | SerajewelKS | mhall: and someone theoretically syncs their databases |
| 21:21.57 | mhall | resiak: Python has completely pathological memory management |
| 21:21.59 | mhall | SerajewelKS: ok cool |
| 21:22.00 | bingo | when I do a apt-get dist-upgrade form sarge to etch, it dont work cause udev needs kernel-2.6.15 an kernel-2.6.15 needs udev. do you know the solution, please? |
| 21:22.02 | cisse | resiak: hehe try not to make totally ignorant statements like that, it undermines your credibility |
| 21:22.10 | Supaplex | and perl6 is still a dream |
| 21:22.14 | SerajewelKS | mhall: s/theoretically/never/ |
| 21:22.18 | Supaplex | ... "I have a dream... " |
| 21:22.20 | mhall | Supaplex: a sick and twisted one at that |
| 21:22.24 | resiak | cisse: Magic Quotes. I rest my case |
| 21:22.32 | SerajewelKS | bingo: install 2.6.15 before you dist-upgrade |
| 21:22.38 | cisse | sigh you sound like a creationist |
| 21:22.44 | cisse | you can't provide 1 example to make the whole thing bad |
| 21:22.47 | resiak | *plonk* |
| 21:22.58 | james__ | does anyone know why i can't "tar -xjvf" a .tar.bz2 file? |
| 21:23.03 | SerajewelKS | time to head back to college... |
| 21:23.14 | SerajewelKS | james__: because it's not a bzipped tar? |
| 21:23.16 | _unstable | james__: loose the -, just tar xvjf |
| 21:23.17 | bingo | SerajewelKS, that what I do, but 2.6.15 dont want to be installed cause he needs udev |
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| 21:23.37 | mhall | !tell james__ about file |
| 21:23.37 | Supaplex | james__: what's it do? does file(1) say it's bzipped? |
| 21:23.41 | gnufan | Need a good charting/piechart tool - OpenOffice isn't hacking it -- formats suitable for Scribus -- or did I miss something in Scribus? |
| 21:23.41 | cisse | i would like to see a good python CMS |
| 21:23.58 | Supaplex | cisse: would it require python? |
| 21:24.01 | SerajewelKS | bingo: *shrug* you could force-depends on the kernel and do a dist-upgrade, then boot with the new kernel |
| 21:24.04 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 21:24.12 | SerajewelKS | bingo: don't take my word on that though, it could break your system |
| 21:24.13 | james__ | I tried "tar xjvf" too, I downloaded two theme files for xfce in that format , and i can't extract both of theme |
| 21:24.16 | mhall | cisse: i thought Zope was python |
| 21:24.18 | _unstable | james__: ie "tar xvjf file.bz2" |
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| 21:24.40 | SerajewelKS | _unstable: the - is optional. it won't hurt anything. |
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| 21:24.41 | cisse | mhall: it is, just not thrilled with it |
| 21:24.42 | _unstable | james__: What you type "file theme.bz2" what does the file command give you? |
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| 21:24.53 | bingo | SerajewelKS, dpkg -i force-all dont work for this problem |
| 21:25.07 | rublind | Are there any programs that can be used to build a good list for sources.list ? |
| 21:25.07 | mhall | cisse: i have not found a single one that was right for maintaining a simple site |
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| 21:25.13 | SerajewelKS | bingo: surely you mean 'dpkg --force-depends -i' ? |
| 21:25.22 | cisse | mhall: too many paradigms |
| 21:25.24 | mhall | cisse: i'm going to redo my site in a monospace font by hand with a register true layout |
| 21:25.39 | SerajewelKS | rublind: apt-setup? |
| 21:25.49 | james__ | i typed "tar xjvf 23059-xfwm4-longhorn-inspirat.tar.bz2" and it says |
| 21:25.54 | two_am | ok. let me ask again |
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| 21:26.03 | two_am | has anyone setup root raid using the sarge installer? |
| 21:26.06 | james__ | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 21:26.06 | rublind | serajwelks: doesn't work... |
| 21:26.14 | bingo | SerajewelKS, you think thant dpkg --force-depends -i can work? |
| 21:26.22 | cisse | i want to see a CMS that implements a truely seperated MVC model so everything is seperate and extensible |
| 21:26.24 | EdLin | james__: you need to install bzip2 |
| 21:27.20 | james__ | EdLin: thanks! |
| 21:27.26 | james__ | It works now! |
| 21:27.47 | EdLin | james__: you're welcome |
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| 21:28.39 | rublind | apt-setup is not found on my computer for some reason, any idea how to get it? |
| 21:28.41 | bucky | http://opengroupware.org/ is a good cms |
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| 21:29.38 | mark_ | Does anyone here know how to set up exim to be a server for a local windows network? |
| 21:29.46 | _unstable | rublind: Are you root, rublind what version of debian are you using? (cat /etc/debian_version) |
| 21:29.52 | _unstable | !tell rublind about ask |
| 21:30.14 | rublind | _unstable: yes, I am root, and testing/unstable. |
| 21:30.15 | two_am | can anyone help me with setting up software raid during the install with the debian sarge installer? |
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| 21:30.37 | beered | I have USB CDROM drive. How do I mount this drive? |
| 21:30.41 | _unstable | rublind: unstable doesn't have apt-setup, you have to edit soureces.list manually |
| 21:30.45 | _unstable | !tell rublind about unstable |
| 21:31.15 | rublind | _unstable: what is etch? Is that an unstable release? |
| 21:31.34 | amphi | etch is current testing |
| 21:31.49 | rublind | What is everyone currently using? Sarge? Or etch? |
| 21:31.54 | _unstable | rublind: no unstable is sid, testing is etch. rublind you are using the developers release..it will break a lot have fun. |
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| 21:32.00 | sandman | Sarge, with etch and unstable in a chroot. |
| 21:32.08 | oskie | how do you get /dev/snd/ etc on debian properly? |
| 21:32.11 | sandman | Also, I have a ReactOS virtual machine, as well as Windows running within a vmachine |
| 21:32.17 | _unstable | rublind: For production servers I would imagine most use sarge, for desktop use I would image they use etch, and for developers who like to break stuff they use sid. |
| 21:32.37 | rublind | _unstable: okay, I meant to install etch, and accidently installed sid I guess. |
| 21:32.43 | rublind | Back to the drawing board. |
| 21:32.46 | EdLin | rublind: I ran Sarge for a long time, I only run sid because SLIME doesn't work with a 2.6.8 or 2.4.x kernel. |
| 21:32.49 | _unstable | oskie: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils; alsaconf; alsamixer; |
| 21:33.12 | rublind | What is slime? |
| 21:33.13 | oskie | _unstable: thanks! |
| 21:33.17 | _unstable | !tell rublind about slime |
| 21:33.31 | oskie | _unstable: didn't know it was that complicated.. heh.. I thought it could be done by hand |
| 21:33.34 | EdLin | rublind: approximately an IDE for Emacs and Common Lisp |
| 21:33.36 | rublind | dpkg wont tell me. I'm sorry if I'm asking 'n00b' questions. |
| 21:33.36 | _unstable | rublind: apt-cache search slime |
| 21:34.19 | _unstable | !tell rublind about apt-cache |
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| 21:34.48 | rublind | Thank you. |
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| 21:36.01 | rublind | Do the floppy installs for etch work currently? |
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| 21:36.46 | Knowerrors | Just installed new drive, made fstab entry, then- sudo mount /dev/hdb3 /mnt/ |
| 21:36.47 | Knowerrors | mount: /dev/hdb3 already mounted or /mnt/ busy |
| 21:36.52 | Knowerrors | can anyone help? |
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| 21:37.31 | Knowerrors | sudo mount /dev/hdb3 /mnt/hdb3 |
| 21:37.31 | Knowerrors | mount: /dev/hdb3 already mounted or /mnt/hdb3 busy |
| 21:37.35 | justin_ | anyone installed vmware server yet? |
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| 21:37.55 | jbroome | i did on another distro that shan't be named |
| 21:38.04 | justin_ | im having trouble .. just installed debian, and when i goto install vmware i get a bad interperter: permission denied error refering to /usr/bin/perl |
| 21:38.28 | cisse | cat /proc/mounts |
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| 21:38.37 | cisse | is /tmp or /var set to noexec ? |
| 21:38.48 | cisse | or usr ? |
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| 21:39.13 | justin_ | ahhh |
| 21:39.14 | NaufraGo | who can help me with opengl? |
| 21:39.19 | Arfim | Hello. I want to build software raid 0 but I've no /dev/md0. How do I create this node? |
| 21:39.23 | justin_ | the drive where the probtam is is :) |
| 21:39.25 | justin_ | thanks man |
| 21:39.36 | cisse | Arfim: mdadm can create it for you with the --auto option |
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| 21:39.51 | Arfim | cisse: ahha, thanks, I'll try now |
| 21:40.11 | itrebal | i'm having issues with autogen, i'm not sure how to pinpoint the issue - i've done "apt-get install autogen" and its still giving me fits |
| 21:40.33 | deadcat | where do i edit to blacklist agpgart and via_agp? -r in /etc/modules? |
| 21:40.34 | Arfim | mdadm --auto --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/vg0/mi0 /dev/vg1/mi1 |
| 21:40.35 | Arfim | mdadm: --create would set mdadm mode to "create", but it is already set to "manage". |
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| 21:41.06 | cisse | heh |
| 21:41.10 | cisse | --auto=yes |
| 21:41.21 | Arfim | cisse: oops. gimme a try :-) |
| 21:41.21 | cisse | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 21:41.40 | Arfim | cisse: the same s*it again |
| 21:41.44 | cisse | hrm |
| 21:41.46 | _unstable | !tell Arfim about raid |
| 21:41.50 | cisse | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 21:41.58 | cisse | see if it already things there is an array running |
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| 21:42.01 | EdLin | !kingsleysmite Arfim |
| 21:42.01 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer Arfim: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.115267459341464! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 21:42.10 | _unstable | !tell Arfim about raid 0 |
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| 21:42.19 | cisse | lol |
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| 21:42.32 | Arfim | Hey, I perfectly know what is RAID :-) |
| 21:42.45 | Arfim | cisse: h1:/dev# cat /proc/mdstat |
| 21:42.45 | Arfim | Personalities : |
| 21:42.45 | Arfim | unused devices: <none> |
| 21:42.55 | cisse | hm |
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| 21:43.06 | Arfim | cisse: wait, I'll load some modules |
| 21:43.15 | _unstable | !tell Arfim about software raid |
| 21:43.21 | cisse | restart mdadm maybe ? |
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| 21:44.21 | Arfim | cisse: mdadm is user level application and things in proc are kernel level, wat a sec more :-) |
| 21:44.45 | NaufraGo | who can help me? .. I'm having problems with games.. I guess it's opengl |
| 21:44.51 | Arfim | Personalities : [raid0] [raid1] [raid5] [raid6] [raid10] |
| 21:44.51 | Arfim | unused devices: <none> |
| 21:45.23 | cusco | talking in raid |
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| 21:45.33 | Arfim | I've loaded modules, personalities are full but "unused devices: none" still looks a bit critical |
| 21:46.09 | cusco | a friend of mine had raid on his machine raid5.... he was running windows xp.. would it be possible to install linux on a partition he has on raid? |
| 21:46.12 | cisse | i would poke around the manpage and see how you change th emode it's in arfim |
| 21:46.23 | cusco | the di din't seem to recognise it some how |
| 21:48.11 | marccd-g | what does "Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed" mean? where does it come from? |
| 21:48.47 | NaufraGo | can anybody help me? |
| 21:49.04 | EdLin | !tell NaufraGo -about ask |
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| 21:49.23 | christl_s | http://www.pbase.com/thorm/image/25542188 |
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| 21:50.33 | NaufraGo | I'm having problems with games.. I guess it's opengl.. I have a VIA8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video Card.. |
| 21:50.55 | NaufraGo | (kernel: 2.4.27-2-686) |
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| 21:51.14 | marccd-g | debian's init scripts are the ugliest most unuseful things ever |
| 21:51.14 | NaufraGo | I'm using Debian 3.1-r1 |
| 21:51.32 | streuner | NaufraGo: tried VESA= |
| 21:51.36 | streuner | NaufraGo: tried VESA? |
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| 21:52.01 | streuner | NaufraGo: nm, i misread your question... |
| 21:52.02 | NaufraGo | if I run an opengl game, will it work? |
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| 21:52.35 | rilat | good night guys |
| 21:52.47 | NaufraGo | streuner: how can I install vesa? |
| 21:52.56 | deadcat | if i want to blacklist a module, where do i go? /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist or /etc/modules? |
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| 21:53.22 | marccd-g | deadcat: you asking?. man hotplug |
| 21:53.25 | EdLin | NaufraGo: forget about VESA, that won't help you get hardware GL |
| 21:53.29 | deadcat | marccd-g: i dont have hotplug |
| 21:53.33 | EdLin | !drxx NaufraGo |
| 21:53.33 | dpkg | NaufraGo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:53.38 | marccd-g | then google deadcat.. god I love this |
| 21:53.49 | deadcat | marccd-g: its debian |
| 21:53.52 | streuner | !blacklist |
| 21:53.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 21:53.54 | marccd-g | deadcat: thats right |
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| 21:55.07 | NaufraGo | Edlin |
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| 21:55.30 | NaufraGo | I configured xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:55.34 | EdLin | NaufraGo: I've got to go, bbiab |
| 21:55.43 | sandman | If two mailservers are running on the system (one in a chroot), where will the mail go? |
| 21:55.57 | sandman | I have a chroot that I wanted to build using sid, but I'm worried about the services it's going to start |
| 21:56.08 | sandman | I don't want conflicts. |
| 21:56.24 | starfishy | sandman: if you use the same ip address you probably will get a race condition |
| 21:56.33 | starfishy | just use different ips for both servers and you should be fine |
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| 21:57.14 | sandman | starfishy: But a chroot shares the IP addy of host computer |
| 21:57.17 | sandman | I thought |
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| 21:57.37 | starfishy | sandman: you can give one interface two ip addresses |
| 21:57.47 | sandman | starfishy: Oh. That's rpetty cool. |
| 21:57.48 | starfishy | ifconfig eth0:1 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 21:57.51 | sandman | Can Windows do that? :) |
| 21:58.00 | marccd-g | yes |
| 21:58.03 | starfishy | then you will have two visible interfaces, eth0 and eth0:1 |
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| 22:03.40 | Bambix | hi |
| 22:03.42 | nvz | hello |
| 22:03.51 | nvz | weird |
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| 22:06.36 | KerPlunk | How can I see the rules that are set for iptables...what do I have to type? |
| 22:06.47 | streuner | iptables -L |
| 22:06.51 | abrotman | ipbah |
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| 22:07.41 | hans0lo | Does anyone in here know about running Debian on a portable device, such as an iPAQ or Zarus? I am looking for a WiFi testing tool I can take with me out in the field. |
| 22:07.58 | comforteagle | I'm having a problem with gcc (I think). I tried earlier to build a program from source, and it failed when checking for cc.. just tried a different program.. it says gcc cannot create executables. |
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| 22:08.17 | azeem | comforteagle: did you install build-essential? |
| 22:08.23 | azeem | or at least libc6-dev? |
| 22:08.23 | comforteagle | azeem, yes I have |
| 22:08.35 | azeem | comforteagle: then check config.log for the real error |
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| 22:09.17 | noob | hello, I have debian/testing and I have just compiled a kernel in oldfashion(not in debian) way. I got the bzImage but now I want to get initrd.img cause without it I get kernel panic. How can I do that without creating a deb package from the new compiled kernel? |
| 22:09.38 | KerPlunk | noob: make-kpkg --initrd |
| 22:09.42 | KerPlunk | !tell noob about make-kpkg |
| 22:09.49 | comforteagle | azeem, where is config.log? |
| 22:10.04 | azeem | in the same directory than configure, usually |
| 22:10.23 | streuner | usually? :-) |
| 22:10.29 | comforteagle | azeem, sorry... "configure:1325: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault" |
| 22:10.48 | noob | KerPlunk: is there any other way |
| 22:10.57 | noob | Im trying to avoid |
| 22:11.12 | streuner | comforteagle: what do you want to compile and why you don't use a debian package? |
| 22:11.14 | azeem | comforteagle: which version of Debian? |
| 22:11.18 | chealer9 | hey azeem, I was checking policy and it seems to contradict what you were saying when we discussed gravity's mesa NMU. do you remember that discussion? |
| 22:11.27 | noob | to create deb packages |
| 22:11.29 | azeem | chealer9: yes |
| 22:11.35 | comforteagle | streuner, using sarge... I want perl from source |
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| 22:11.40 | noob | like I want to compile multiple kernels |
| 22:11.44 | streuner | oh |
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| 22:11.45 | streuner | good luck :-) |
| 22:11.59 | azeem | comforteagle: can you compile a hello world program? |
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| 22:12.07 | chealer9 | azeem: are you sure that the Maintainer field is supposed to have the uploader? |
| 22:12.14 | comforteagle | azeem, havent't tried.. |
| 22:12.30 | azeem | chealer9: it usually has |
| 22:12.40 | streuner | comforteagle: what's the reason why you think to do that? |
| 22:13.04 | chealer9 | azeem: well, of course it usually has, but in the case of NMUs |
| 22:13.41 | azeem | chealer9: in the case of NMUs, it is up to the person doing the NMU I thought |
| 22:13.55 | azeem | chealer9: which chapter of policy deals with this? |
| 22:14.08 | chealer9 | azeem: 5.5/5.6 |
| 22:14.09 | comforteagle | streuner, I need a few obscure cpan modules that never seem to work unless I use the newest perl V |
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| 22:14.48 | zerve_the_death | anyone can help in glade? |
| 22:14.51 | chealer9 | azeem: hum...up to the person? it seems strange that the meaning wouldn't be specified |
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| 22:15.11 | devazion | zerve_the_death, that depends on... what you want help with... -.- |
| 22:15.27 | mhall | comforteagle: there is a usual trick for this situation |
| 22:15.28 | zerve_the_death | i have a problem with a save button |
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| 22:15.45 | zerve_the_death | undefined reference to `save_to_file' |
| 22:15.52 | mhall | comforteagle: it is to get the official gnu / what the crap ever source, and copy the debian dir of the debian source into it |
| 22:16.14 | mhall | comforteagle: if the debian source of the latest rel exists in unstabl / experimental, then one compiles and runs that |
| 22:16.16 | zerve_the_death | when i compile the program it gives me thata error |
| 22:16.24 | CosmoDad | I need to recompile dig (which is part of dnsutils) with -DDIG_SIGCHASE to enable dnssec, where'd I put that within the unpacked source package? |
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| 22:16.44 | cisse | CosmoDad: ./configure ? |
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| 22:16.56 | abrotman | !source |
| 22:16.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, source is To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space and run the following: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot && apt-get source <packagename> && apt-get build-dep <packagename>. Then cd into source directory and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot to build debs from source. |
| 22:17.00 | comforteagle | mhall, ok, but gcc seems to be crapping out on me with seg faults. |
| 22:17.03 | annoia | Why is it that mozilla is much much faster on debian-x64 than on debain-i386? |
| 22:17.07 | azeem | zerve_the_death: it means that one of the source files calls this functions, but neither the compiled source, nor any of the libraries the program links to has an implementation of it |
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| 22:17.17 | cisse | annoia: all those extra registers |
| 22:17.23 | CosmoDad | cisse: the switch is not available in dnsutils' ./configure |
| 22:17.33 | annoia | I thought they didn't matter much... |
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| 22:17.49 | annoia | As rigoriously claimed by debian i386 supporters ;) |
| 22:17.49 | zerve_the_death | azeem, any solution to that? |
| 22:17.51 | cisse | CosmoDad: no idea then |
| 22:17.59 | cisse | annoia: they're idiots then |
| 22:18.00 | azeem | zerve_the_death: no generic solution |
| 22:18.04 | CosmoDad | cisse: isn't there some way to tell debian/rules about it? |
| 22:18.06 | annoia | cisse - Ok... Thanks :) |
| 22:18.10 | azeem | zerve_the_death: find out whether you need to link to another library |
| 22:18.26 | rollerbob | hi, how do i change the update cycle in dhclient? its set at 1800 segs by default, i think thats 30 mins |
| 22:18.29 | zerve_the_death | azeem, ok thanks |
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| 22:18.38 | cisse | annoia: extra registers allow the cpu to do amazing things, speed out of order execution, recover from branch misprediction etc. |
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| 22:20.03 | mhall | !tell comforteagle about memtest86 |
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| 22:20.15 | mhall | comforteagle: make sure you have a valid release of gcc installed |
| 22:20.19 | mhall | !tell comforteagle about paste |
| 22:20.24 | mhall | comforteagle: paste the error messages |
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| 22:20.52 | mhall | comforteagle: it's possible some rel of gcc has some stupid bug perl finds because its code is so intense, also |
| 22:20.57 | djw | do tun0 type devices exist in linux? |
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| 22:21.47 | cisse | bridging ? |
| 22:21.52 | comforteagle | mhall, I tried to compile lisp too just to check & gcc fails. must be a hardware problem |
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| 22:22.13 | yannick | I have problems installing courier-authmysql, this is the error: *Depends libmysqlclient12 but it is not installable* |
| 22:22.26 | mhall | comforteagle: that's not good |
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| 22:22.29 | yannick | never had dependency errors before, not quiet sure what I may do, and what I may not do |
| 22:22.30 | abrotman | yannick: why not ? |
| 22:22.46 | abrotman | yannick: if you type apt-get install libmysqlclient12 ? |
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| 22:22.54 | yannick | that doesn't work |
| 22:23.10 | yannick | it's not in the source list, only version 13,14,15 (dev) |
| 22:23.24 | abrotman | guess you're not using sarge anymore .. |
| 22:23.45 | yannick | yes I am |
| 22:23.54 | abrotman | wanna bet? |
| 22:23.55 | yannick | But I have: /usr/local/mysql/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.15 |
| 22:24.00 | starfishy | look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:24.03 | abrotman | !info libmysqlclient12 sarge |
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| 22:24.06 | starfishy | see what your main archive is |
| 22:24.14 | dpkg | libmysqlclient12: (mysql database client library), section libs, is optional. Version: 4.0.24-10sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 288 kB, Installed size: 548 kB |
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| 22:24.40 | mark_ | If you have stable in sources.list that is sarge? |
| 22:24.48 | rollerbob | yes |
| 22:24.49 | starfishy | i need a faster hard disk |
| 22:24.57 | yannick | let me look |
| 22:25.04 | annoia | I need a faster brain |
| 22:25.15 | yannick | deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ testing main |
| 22:25.15 | yannick | deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ testing main |
| 22:25.29 | yannick | that's the only thing that is in the source.list file |
| 22:25.30 | NaufraGo | I'm having games' problems, I guess it's opengl. I have a VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video Card .. I configured xserver-xfree86 succesfuly.. and now.. when I try to play an opengl game, it work very slowly.. (kernel: 2.4.27-2-686) |
| 22:25.39 | rollerbob | yannick you're on Etch |
| 22:25.48 | abrotman | !win me |
| 22:25.48 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 22:25.57 | yannick | !info Etch |
| 22:26.07 | mhall | abrotman: with two people in it |
| 22:26.18 | abrotman | !depends courier-authmysql etch |
| 22:26.19 | bucky | and amd64 etch at that |
| 22:26.28 | dpkg | courier-authmysql: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libgdbm3, libmysqlclient12, libpam0g (>= 0.76), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), courier-base (>= 0.47), courier-authdaemon (>= 0.47) |
| 22:26.30 | yannick | What do you mean with 'etch', or is it just an english word I don't know |
| 22:26.34 | NaufraGo | can anybody help me? |
| 22:26.43 | abrotman | well .. no libmysqlcilent12 could be an issue |
| 22:26.45 | azeem | yannick: sarge == stable, etch == testing |
| 22:26.50 | abrotman | yay for using testing! |
| 22:26.54 | yannick | I see |
| 22:26.59 | abrotman | can i get my panels back? |
| 22:27.07 | jbroome | sid == OMGWTF |
| 22:27.11 | rollerbob | yannick, etch has updated software.. but its not as stable as sarge |
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| 22:27.22 | abrotman | not even close |
| 22:27.38 | epsilon | experimental == ROTFLMAO |
| 22:28.04 | abrotman | sarge == :) |
| 22:28.08 | yannick | I'm not sure how those ftp servers came to that file, but somehow the debian install did that, i'm afraid |
| 22:28.16 | abrotman | yannick: what installer? |
| 22:28.23 | rollerbob | yannick, http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 22:28.25 | yannick | debian install dvd |
| 22:28.29 | buu | Hrm. When I use rsync with an rsync://url; it asks me for my ssh password.. |
| 22:28.30 | abrotman | from where? |
| 22:28.42 | abrotman | because the official sarge installer doesn't point at amd64 .. |
| 22:28.48 | buu | Shouldn't it ask for the rsyncd password? |
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| 22:29.19 | bucky | yannick, do you really have an amd64 machine? |
| 22:29.21 | devazion | buu, what passwords does the trick then? the rsync or the ssh? perhaps its just a dialog error |
| 22:29.24 | yannick | ok. So there is no option to use 'sarge' ftp servers, that support 64bit |
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| 22:29.34 | NaufraGo | is there anybody available for help? |
| 22:29.36 | yannick | yes bucky, amd 64bit |
| 22:29.39 | buu | devazion: The ssh one |
| 22:29.40 | abrotman | yannick: of course there is |
| 22:30.11 | abrotman | !aMD64 |
| 22:30.11 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 22:30.11 | two_am | hey. what are people's feelings about when 'etch' is going to be out? |
| 22:30.13 | mhall | yannick: even the 32 bit ones should use 64 bit file offsets these days |
| 22:30.14 | yannick | ok. But wouldn't that mix things up, if I use 'sarge' ftp servers (32bit I assume), and that will be installed on my machine (64bit) |
| 22:30.19 | abrotman | !tell two_am about wwer |
| 22:30.22 | mhall | !wwir |
| 22:30.23 | two_am | i know those things are never known |
| 22:30.30 | bucky | yannick, afaik there is only sarge or sid amd64.. maybe you got an old install cd |
| 22:30.32 | mhall | two_am: then why'd you ask |
| 22:30.35 | two_am | wlel, ok when was sarg released |
| 22:30.37 | bucky | yannick, http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.html |
| 22:30.46 | two_am | mhall: if its been 2yrs, then etch should be 'due' sometime soon |
| 22:30.57 | two_am | if it was only a few months since sarge was relesed, then its probably a bit longer :P |
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| 22:31.04 | yannick | ok |
| 22:31.10 | azeem | two_am: ask google |
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| 22:31.35 | abrotman | !tell two_am about release history |
| 22:31.59 | buu | devazion: Actually, you know, it's not |
| 22:32.01 | two_am | thanks |
| 22:32.15 | two_am | so 6 months since sarg |
| 22:32.15 | two_am | hmm |
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| 22:33.07 | bucky | only a year and a half to go to etch! |
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| 22:33.32 | two_am | heh |
| 22:33.40 | two_am | i wouldnt say that long :P |
| 22:33.48 | bucky | we're releasing more often now |
| 22:33.51 | abrotman | if it freezes in 6 months .. that would be good IMO . but i'm not a DD |
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| 22:37.46 | mhall | abrotman: it doesn't matter if you're a DD, but if your significant other is |
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| 22:39.25 | abrotman | mhall: huh? |
| 22:40.31 | mhall | abrotman: bad joke; nm |
| 22:40.39 | Thanatermesis | aparently gnomebaker don't works the option of record audio CD's http://pastebin.com/553435 |
| 22:40.44 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:40.53 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: worked for me a few weeks ago |
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| 22:41.41 | God_hollywood | Hello |
| 22:41.47 | God_hollywood | Does debian have a graphical installer? |
| 22:42.17 | azeem | God_hollywood: not the current version |
| 22:42.18 | Thanatermesis | abrotman the option "copy Audio CD" to are direct on the main interface ? |
| 22:42.23 | azeem | it is being worked on, though |
| 22:42.25 | God_hollywood | azeem pardon? |
| 22:42.27 | devazion | God_hollywood, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerGUI |
| 22:42.42 | devazion | God_hollywood, oops, hold |
| 22:42.48 | God_hollywood | lol kk |
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| 22:43.06 | devazion | God_hollywood, like this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/GUI |
| 22:43.43 | God_hollywood | Damn |
| 22:43.49 | God_hollywood | I thought it used anaconda |
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| 22:44.12 | devazion | You mean "damn lucky" right? |
| 22:44.28 | God_hollywood | Pardon? |
| 22:44.37 | thingfish | God_hollywood: you ever installed ubuntu? |
| 22:44.51 | God_hollywood | Yeah i have it on my computer right now but i have no gui and its pissin me off >< |
| 22:45.02 | jason_ | Just say no to "anaconda" ....its gui enough for most....its more like a ascii menu installer but works fine 8) |
| 22:45.02 | bucky | isn't anaconda a redhat thing? |
| 22:45.10 | thingfish | pretty much |
| 22:45.11 | God_hollywood | It worked before i put in the dammed nvidia card |
| 22:45.23 | devazion | bucky, anaconda was developed by red hat i think, it's free though |
| 22:45.27 | bucky | that and kudzu |
| 22:45.29 | Thanatermesis | maybe i found the answer on the source code.... |
| 22:45.35 | mhall | !tell God_hollywood about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:45.37 | jason_ | then it will probably work still just need to load the right drivers |
| 22:45.37 | thingfish | God_hollywood: ubuntu's installer is very very similar to Debian's. |
| 22:45.53 | bucky | devazion, are you familiar with the debian installers generally speaking/ |
| 22:45.54 | God_hollywood | uhh |
| 22:45.55 | God_hollywood | >.> |
| 22:45.57 | devazion | thingfish, you mean ubuntus installer is samiliar to debians? ;D |
| 22:45.57 | God_hollywood | <.< |
| 22:46.06 | mhall | !tell God_hollywood about return |
| 22:46.07 | abrotman | samiliar? |
| 22:46.07 | mhall | !tell God_hollywood about ep |
| 22:46.20 | abrotman | is there a sp factoid? |
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| 22:46.27 | thingfish | devazion: why, of course! A momentary lapse on my part. ;) |
| 22:46.28 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: worked for me |
| 22:46.33 | mhall | abrotman: speling i think |
| 22:46.42 | mhall | abrotman: note the spelling of speling |
| 22:46.45 | abrotman | mhall: stupid punctuation ? |
| 22:46.46 | mhall | !+speling |
| 22:46.53 | mhall | abrotman: ep for punct |
| 22:46.55 | God_hollywood | I just want a distro that has a gui outta box. But it seems only mandriva works with my stupid peice of **** graphix card |
| 22:47.14 | bucky | mandriva is nice |
| 22:47.15 | abrotman | mhall: variants include o_O,<.<, .oO(blah)Oo. ... etc |
| 22:47.20 | Thanatermesis | thanks for the verification abrotman... in any case i need to solve it :/ |
| 22:47.23 | azeem | God_hollywood: "out of the box" usually means "after the installation is finished" |
| 22:47.28 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: in sarge or something else ? |
| 22:47.28 | mhall | dpkg: speling is <reply>spelling is quantitative; not qualitative |
| 22:47.28 | dpkg | mhall: okay |
| 22:47.31 | God_hollywood | Yes i know |
| 22:47.39 | Thanatermesis | abrotman etch |
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| 22:47.45 | Thanatermesis | cdda2wav: Operation not permitted. cannot set posix realtime scheduling policy <-- this is the main error message |
| 22:47.47 | God_hollywood | Its just ubuntu isnt workin with my gfx card and suse 10 didnt either |
| 22:47.51 | devazion | God_hollywood, Why not use Mandriva if it works so well? |
| 22:47.52 | mhall | Thanatermesis: wrong |
| 22:47.56 | Thanatermesis | no ? |
| 22:48.03 | mhall | Thanatermesis: that's a warning |
| 22:48.14 | God_hollywood | I never said it worked well I said its the only thing my gfx card worked with |
| 22:48.16 | Thanatermesis | 0%cdda2wav: Operation not permitted. Cannot send SCSI cmd via ioctl <--- this mhall ? |
| 22:48.16 | bucky | God_hollywood, what kind of gfx card |
| 22:48.23 | God_hollywood | Nividia |
| 22:48.25 | mhall | Thanatermesis: that was put there overzealously by Joerg Schilling just to fuck with everybody for no good reason |
| 22:48.27 | God_hollywood | Nvidia |
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| 22:48.37 | mhall | Thanatermesis: yeah the problem is your user does not have access to the device files |
| 22:48.48 | mhall | Thanatermesis: try it again as root; i know it sucks; but sudo helps |
| 22:48.52 | azeem | God_hollywood: Nvidia is a manufacturer, not a card model |
| 22:48.54 | mhall | !tell Thanatermesis about sudo |
| 22:49.06 | bucky | God_hollywood, we make you use m-a prepare nvidia and m-a a-i nvidia |
| 22:49.15 | God_hollywood | a wha? |
| 22:49.21 | Thanatermesis | mmmh... strange.. i have permissions for this device... |
| 22:49.35 | bucky | God_hollywood, imagine that... a cli command and a special tool for debian |
| 22:49.36 | mhall | Thanatermesis: yeah but there are funny patches made to the kernel |
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| 22:49.45 | mhall | Thanatermesis: to prevent some exploits that could destroy drive firmware |
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| 22:50.02 | God_hollywood | God i just want to get a working distro |
| 22:50.03 | God_hollywood | >< |
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| 22:50.12 | bucky | and contrib and non-free in sources.list |
| 22:50.14 | devazion | God_hollywood, yeah, and default including of non-free commercial software in Debian! |
| 22:50.17 | abrotman | God_hollywood: can you stop using stupid fucking eye actions ? |
| 22:50.30 | mhall | God_hollywood: how's about if you tell nvidia to open source their shit |
| 22:50.34 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: it may have updated since then .. but it worked .. a month ago maybe? |
| 22:50.42 | thingfish | God_hollywood: if you have hardware that is the latest and greatest, support for it might be not quite there yet in the linux world. |
| 22:50.42 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: if you want til i get home .. i can try again perhaps |
| 22:50.43 | mhall | God_hollywood: instead of fucking with us for something we did not fuck up in the first fucking place |
| 22:50.46 | mhall | God_hollywood: i mean; fuck |
| 22:51.13 | devazion | mhall, phew, that felt good didn't it? |
| 22:51.18 | Thanatermesis | thanks for your help abrotman =) |
| 22:51.21 | God_hollywood | jessus christ i was just askin you went all fuckin spazzy stfu now because your annoying i never said yall fucked it up i simply asked my fucking question |
| 22:51.25 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: but i'm not at home .. |
| 22:51.31 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 22:51.32 | dpkg | i heard sarge 2.6.12 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ for sarge/amd64 |
| 22:51.33 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 22:51.33 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
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| 22:51.46 | Thanatermesis | i try to found any thing... if i found i inform you |
| 22:51.55 | moshii | God_hollywood: not going to get anywhere fast with language like that |
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| 22:52.03 | Thanatermesis | i use a own 2.6.10 kernel on etch if is any extra info... |
| 22:52.05 | God_hollywood | I wqas talkin to mhall |
| 22:52.08 | bucky | God_hollywood, we gave you the answer.. use module-assistant or go back to mandriva |
| 22:52.10 | God_hollywood | He used it so i did to |
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| 22:52.18 | devazion | God_hollywood, jesus, where is your question? i only found you complaining... tell us the question once more... the only question you made was: "does debian have a gui installer?" and I already answered it. |
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| 22:52.39 | mhall | devazion: it had to be done |
| 22:52.44 | God_hollywood | Yeah now i remember why i never came in here yall are fucking ignorent pricks |
| 22:52.48 | mhall | devazion: sorry |
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| 22:52.57 | bucky | God_hollywood, /j #mandriva |
| 22:52.59 | zerve_the_death | loool |
| 22:53.07 | mhall | devazion: did i go too far? |
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| 22:53.14 | devazion | mhall, absolutely not! |
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| 22:53.25 | mhall | devazion: just wanted to check |
| 22:53.30 | devazion | :) |
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| 22:53.41 | comsa | n |
| 22:53.51 | dondelelcaro | mhall: your response to him wasn't called for either. |
| 22:54.07 | dondelelcaro | mhall: if there's a problem like that, use /ignore in the future. I've silenced you for the next 10 minutes. |
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| 22:54.41 | devazion | Policies are policies :/ |
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| 22:55.32 | mo1991 | i have compiled the madwifi source into modules for my 2.4.27 debian kernel - however, once installed I do not get ath0 . I have madwifi working with 2.6.8 kernel - is there something i need to do to get 2.4.27 to load the madwifi modules? |
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| 22:56.08 | dominicano | do you know any good respository for upgrade to debian etch? |
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| 22:56.36 | hans0lo | mo1991: add it to /etc/modules? |
| 22:56.42 | loggygreg | dominicano: apt-setup |
| 22:56.52 | hans0lo | mo1991: You can load them manually with modrobe or insmod, right? |
| 22:56.57 | mo1991 | hans0lo - what do I add there |
| 22:57.02 | mo1991 | modprobe ath0 doesn't work |
| 22:57.12 | mo1991 | not sure what I should be modprobbing |
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| 22:57.20 | mo1991 | it just loaded the module with the 2.6 kernel |
| 22:57.27 | hans0lo | mo1991: What is the module name that was created when you complied? |
| 22:57.42 | dominicano | loggygreg, this command doesn't existe in my system |
| 22:57.57 | mo1991 | madwifi-modules-2.4.27_0.svn20051110-2+10.00.Custom_i386.deb |
| 22:58.02 | mo1991 | hans0lo |
| 22:58.03 | mo1991 | above |
| 22:58.14 | hans0lo | mo1991: Any reason why you are using 2.4 kernel? |
| 22:58.35 | mo1991 | I can't get some functionality out of 2.6.8 |
| 22:58.41 | mo1991 | packet injection |
| 22:58.42 | hans0lo | mo1991: If you compiled it on 2.6, then switched to 2.4, you will need to recompile |
| 22:58.58 | hans0lo | mo1991: with each new kernel, you will need to rebuild the driver |
| 22:59.02 | mo1991 | I compiled it in the 2.4 kernel |
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| 22:59.08 | mo1991 | ya, I did |
| 22:59.16 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.22 | mo1991 | this is the resulting .deb |
| 22:59.31 | hans0lo | mo1991: dpkg -L madwifi*.deb |
| 22:59.39 | hans0lo | mo1991: look for a file ending in .h |
| 22:59.56 | loggygreg | dominicano: apt-get install base-config |
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| 23:00.31 | bucky | dominicano, for i386 ? |
| 23:00.39 | bucky | dominicano, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 23:00.44 | hans0lo | mo1991: whoops, I told u wrong. 'dpkg -L madwifi' should do it |
| 23:00.47 | Sonny | hi, wheres the htdocs directory of apache in debian? |
| 23:00.47 | dominicano | bucky, yes for i386 |
| 23:00.52 | mo1991 | hans0lo - Package `madwifi-modules-2.4.27_0.svn20051110-2+10.00.custom_i386.deb' is not installed. |
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| 23:01.25 | hans0lo | mo1991: you can find out the 'installed' name with: dpkg -l | grep madwifi |
| 23:01.25 | bucky | dominicano, put on of these http://www.debian.org/mirror/list in /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update |
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| 23:02.00 | dominicano | bucky, |
| 23:02.08 | hans0lo | mo1991: once you find out what it's called, do the dpkg -L madwifi-modules (or whatever it is) |
| 23:02.15 | bucky | dom |
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| 23:04.39 | Natan | hi there, I need an opinion... I've got an home-made backport: i've changed my sources.list to testing, installed a package with all the dipendences, then return to stable... what will happen to my box? :) |
| 23:05.04 | bucky | dominicano, for sarge ? |
| 23:05.07 | hans0lo | Does anyone in here know about running Debian on a portable device, such as an iPAQ or Zarus? I am looking for a WiFi testing tool I can take with me out in the field. |
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| 23:05.51 | thingfish | Natan: quite likely, you'll appear to get away with it. But if you keep doing that, you'll end up with an unreliable system. |
| 23:05.55 | moshii | hans0lo: debian is a bit meatly for that isn't it? |
| 23:06.08 | moshii | hans0lo: you probably want something busybox based |
| 23:06.20 | dominicano | bucky, yes for sarge |
| 23:06.20 | dominicano | bucky, but I wanna update to etch |
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| 23:06.32 | bucky | dominicano, su into superuser, cat >> 'deb http://debian.efis.ucr.ac.cr/debian/ sarge main contrib' |
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| 23:06.44 | hans0lo | moshii: I'll look into busybox - What PDA is good for linux/wifi? |
| 23:06.47 | bucky | dominicano, apt-get update |
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| 23:07.12 | dominicano | bucky, thanks, i gonna try it |
| 23:07.12 | bucky | dominicano, sorry i meant |
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| 23:07.34 | dominicano | yes I know to the file sources.list |
| 23:07.35 | bucky | dominicano, su into superuser, echo 'deb http://debian.efis.ucr.ac.cr/debian/ sarge main contrib' >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:07.41 | dominicano | bucky, yes I know to the file sources.list |
| 23:07.48 | dominicano | bucky, thanks |
| 23:07.49 | bucky | ok |
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| 23:07.58 | dominicano | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.09 | moshii | hans0lo: hmm don't know .. I think you can get bootloaders for wince devices, or zaurus runs linux anyway |
| 23:08.15 | dominicano | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.24 | giannis22 | rghet |
| 23:08.24 | Natan | thanks thingfish! |
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| 23:08.44 | thingfish | Natan: and I speak from experience. ;) |
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| 23:08.59 | Zarta | hello |
| 23:08.59 | Thanatermesis | BIG BIG BIG BIG FU**** ª!!!! |
| 23:09.01 | moshii | hans0lo: problem is unless you have 256meg+ of storage you aren't going to get debian on it easilly |
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| 23:09.15 | azeem | Thanatermesis: please chill |
| 23:09.18 | Natan | I'll do it only once ;) ...but what about updates? |
| 23:09.37 | Thanatermesis | sorry azeem... but the thing to has happened is really fu*** and weird |
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| 23:10.04 | dominicano | bucky, this is for upgrade to etch? |
| 23:10.11 | Zarta | I am compiling the kernel 2.4.32. I was ok but when I try to load a driver is gives me a unresolved symbol error (insmod /lib/modules/2.4.32/kernel/drivers/sound/awe_wave.o). When i do depmod -a the some errors. |
| 23:10.19 | thingfish | Natan: so re-enable either testing or unstable from time to time and check. |
| 23:10.21 | Zarta | What can i do? |
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| 23:10.45 | loggygreg | dominicano: replace sarge to etch in sources.list |
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| 23:11.01 | Thanatermesis | i have look problems for record an audio cd in gnomebaker... i have tried by root then... and after to look if works, i have tried to cancel, mmmh, frozen... kill gnombaker, nope, kill terminal.. after my X are directly killed, with the lot of programs and processes launched included, my face: O_O and 2 seconds after... my computer has shutdown directly |
| 23:11.11 | Thanatermesis | azeem do you think to not is for f**** a lot in all ? |
| 23:11.14 | Natan | ok, lot of thanks ;) |
| 23:11.21 | dominicano | ok |
| 23:11.21 | dominicano | bucky, ok |
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| 23:11.47 | dhuv | topic |
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| 23:12.01 | hans0lo | Thanatermesis: Congrads - You broke linux! |
| 23:12.06 | alex1 | hello all |
| 23:12.13 | Thanatermesis | hans0lo hahahahahaha |
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| 23:12.19 | Zarta | can someone help me please??? |
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| 23:12.28 | Thanatermesis | but what is the logic to this ? |
| 23:12.33 | Thanatermesis | i don't have look this on my life |
| 23:12.45 | bucky | dominicano, change it to deb http://debian.efis.ucr.ac.cr/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 23:12.57 | hans0lo | Thanatermesis: difficult to do, but I manage to do it also from time to time.. And come to think of it, usually while burning CD, and trying crap out at the same time |
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| 23:13.03 | azeem | Zarta: did you use make-kpkg? |
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| 23:13.20 | azeem | Zarta: why did you compile the kernel? |
| 23:13.23 | bucky | dominicano, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 23:13.39 | alex1 | if you do not have a firewall up on linux box can the router firewall be enough for protection |
| 23:13.56 | Azar | security question: netstat shows me 2 zombies with an ESTABLISHED connection running their bruteforce scripts... what is an elegant mode to stop them? |
| 23:13.58 | cisse | depends on what sort of server it is alex1 |
| 23:14.23 | Zarta | azeem, no i don't use the make-kpkg, i use make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install |
| 23:14.34 | cisse | Azar: what are they brute forcing, ssh ? |
| 23:14.41 | Azar | cisse, yes |
| 23:14.56 | Zarta | azeem, what can be that error? |
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| 23:15.15 | Azar | cisse I have thousands of those / month ofcourse unsuccessful, but it fills up my logs |
| 23:15.17 | alex1 | at the moment I have installed sarge with a ag241 adsl gateway router linksys |
| 23:15.18 | cisse | Azar: you would use blockhosts or put them in /etc/hosts.deny |
| 23:15.37 | cisse | Azar: run ssh on a non standard port will prevent most attacks |
| 23:15.38 | Azar | cisse, by IP # ? that would be crazy |
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| 23:15.53 | cisse | blockhosts does it automatically for you |
| 23:16.17 | Azar | cisse so how I tell blockshosts who to block? |
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| 23:16.19 | cisse | or fail2ban |
| 23:16.33 | alex1 | then through port forwarding enabled port 22 for ssh |
| 23:16.37 | britt_ | why cant i send mail to myself? |
| 23:16.39 | cisse | i can't remember installed it so long ago, i only run openbsd on my routers too |
| 23:16.40 | Azar | cisse, ok I will try fail2ban again, last time did not do its job |
| 23:16.47 | Thanatermesis | hans0lo http://pastebin.com/553511 |
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| 23:17.03 | mo1991 | hans0lo - can u help me conpiling the madwifi modules - mine don't seem to work |
| 23:17.08 | cisse | Azar: did you enable packet filtering in the kernel and install iptables ? |
| 23:17.12 | myren | i just lost all love for dbus |
| 23:17.28 | myren | you can only return value primitives |
| 23:17.30 | Azar | cisse I have iptables but did not do nothing on them yet.... I am learning |
| 23:17.44 | azeem | Zarta: well, it means some dependencies are wrong - I don't know what exactly though, sorry |
| 23:17.56 | cisse | Azar: i would suggest setting up better logging, like syslog-ng and ignore the brute force attacks (or run ssh on another port) |
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| 23:18.01 | hans0lo | mo1991: You have the src tar.gz uncompressed in a folder? |
| 23:18.04 | mo1991 | here are the steps I did 1- downloaded source from unstable 2- downloaded kernel source for 2.4.27 3 - copied exiting config for 2.4.27 to source directory 4 - |
| 23:18.04 | britt_ | okay real question: How do i configure wifii interfaces in console linux..theres an app that was instaalled but the name escapes me |
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| 23:18.10 | azeem | Zarta: did you try to load it with modprobe instead of insmod? |
| 23:18.16 | britt_ | stock setup |
| 23:18.17 | Zarta | yes |
| 23:18.23 | cisse | britt: iwconfig |
| 23:18.28 | Azar | cisse ok thanks I will have to figure out how... |
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| 23:18.31 | Zarta | and it doesn't do anything |
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| 23:18.42 | britt_ | cisse: and this is usually on the machine by defualt? |
| 23:18.43 | azeem | Zarta: is the module loaded afterwards? |
| 23:18.47 | azeem | check with lsmod |
| 23:18.50 | cisse | Azar: debian-administration.org has a good howto on syslog-ng |
| 23:18.57 | alex1 | did you get that cisse |
| 23:18.58 | tombs | hi all |
| 23:18.59 | Azar | cisse: thanks |
| 23:19.00 | cisse | britt: no i think it's in wireless-utils |
| 23:19.05 | cisse | alex1: not really |
| 23:19.09 | Zarta | not it isn't |
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| 23:19.16 | hans0lo | mo1991: does a 'make' complete successfully? |
| 23:19.16 | disposable | how can i ssh into my computer from the outside world, if i have a static, nonpublic ip? i know my ip within the provider's network and providers outside ip. |
| 23:19.22 | mo1991 | hans0lo - 4 - make-kpkg modules_image - and yes it makes |
| 23:19.28 | britt_ | well debconf, when setting up launched some wireless config utility and i wanted to access that again |
| 23:19.31 | cisse | alex1: you have a linksys gateway/router forwarding ssh to your linux box ? |
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| 23:19.51 | alex1 | yes on port 22 |
| 23:20.01 | britt_ | the wireless card is the only way to get online with this particular box |
| 23:20.07 | cisse | disposable: you need to have a port forwarded from an external IP to your machine on port 22 |
| 23:20.11 | Thanatermesis | Feb 14 01:09:10 localhost kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped. |
| 23:20.11 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.12 | cisse | alex1: ok what is your question |
| 23:20.18 | hans0lo | Thanatermesis: Cool! Yeah, your burner freaked. if you want to be able to burn as your user (not as root) then chmod +s /usr/bin/cdrecord (as root) |
| 23:20.31 | myren | disposable: or any port at all, you can run ssh on 66666 for all sshd cares |
| 23:20.39 | Thanatermesis | oh sticky... my sticky is good... |
| 23:20.48 | Thanatermesis | let me try again with user and look what happens.. |
| 23:21.00 | disposable | myren cisse but i cannot install anything on my provider's computers of course |
| 23:21.04 | dbe | Subversion was created as a replacement for CVS but does it has more advantages? |
| 23:21.13 | alex1 | is the firewall ok that comes with the router ----and how to teat that ssh is working |
| 23:21.15 | cisse | disposable: of course, you hav eto ask them to do this for you |
| 23:21.19 | myren | disposable: then you cant do shit buddy |
| 23:21.24 | disposable | :) |
| 23:21.31 | britt_ | cisse: did you get my post |
| 23:21.34 | hans0lo | mo1991: I'll get hollared at for not telling u the 'debian' way. I always compiled manually (aka not with kpkg etc) |
| 23:21.35 | cisse | dbe: oh it has a bunch, like choice of berkly db backend, atomic committs, it's faster |
| 23:21.37 | cisse | britt: no |
| 23:21.43 | myren | if there's no way to get to your ip, then by definition there's no way to get to your ip |
| 23:21.57 | cisse | dbe: unless you're using a CVS interface that has no subversion equivlent, i can't think of a reason not to use subversion |
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| 23:22.09 | disposable | cisse myren won't services like no-ip.com help? |
| 23:22.11 | hans0lo | mo1991: I'll assume you have your .deb file.. You should dpkg -i madwifi*.deb |
| 23:22.13 | britt_ | cisse: i said that debconf, when installing debian, ran some wireless config utility...maybe that was iwconfig |
| 23:22.20 | britt_ | and perhaps maybe it was installed? |
| 23:22.20 | cisse | disposable: not fmailiar with them |
| 23:22.29 | myren | disposable: nope, they just report what your public ip address is |
| 23:22.32 | cisse | britt: hmmmm not sure haven't played much with wireless in linux |
| 23:22.35 | myren | as it changes with a dhcp system |
| 23:22.35 | dbe | cisee, so it's the future? |
| 23:22.41 | disposable | cisse, myren: thx guys |
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| 23:22.48 | myren | disposable: if you are truly desperate, get something like a freeshell account |
| 23:22.49 | Azar | cisse, since we are there, I googled for /tmp/ssh-RdkCgo2141/agent2141 since I noticed it on netstat -na as STREAM I - google could not find something for me, would you happen to know what is that? |
| 23:22.51 | cisse | dbe: it's just cvs done the right way |
| 23:22.55 | myren | ask the guy if you can keep one port open |
| 23:22.58 | Jasper | hello, is there anyone here who knows how I can remove black bars with tv-out on a geforce2? |
| 23:22.59 | mo1991 | hans0lo I did install it - doesn't work - not sure why - I did the same steps a while ago for the 2.6.8 kernel and it worked |
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| 23:23.15 | cisse | Azar: uh hrmmm nope, i assume it has something to do with your ssh session |
| 23:23.24 | hans0lo | mo1991: next you need to know what the module name is. I assume it's madwifi, but you will need to see if it will load manually with modprobe madwifi |
| 23:23.28 | alex1 | woo I cisse your keys must be red hot |
| 23:23.31 | myren | then ssh into the freeshell account from your non-public ip. dont remember how, but i know you can communicate back with the main system through that. or maybe just use netcat instead. |
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| 23:23.43 | cisse | dbe: i run both here at work, svn it much easier to administrate, supports all the core functionality of CVS, integrates with apache + DAV, etc. |
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| 23:24.09 | cisse | myren: he could do an ssh -R and map a port on the external ip back to his box |
| 23:24.47 | hans0lo | mo1991: Just curious - what problems were you having wiht 2.6? |
| 23:24.50 | alex1 | will my router firewall be enough protection --and how eo test that ssh is working --2nd attempt |
| 23:24.50 | dbe | cisee, I'm a newbie for this, but does Subversion and CVS handle the same source? |
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| 23:25.02 | cisse | alex1: well alex what's your public ip, illl try to ssh to it for you |
| 23:25.02 | disposable | cisse myren: aaah, that's a good idea. i have several shell accounts. but i'd never use netcat. cryptcat probably. |
| 23:25.11 | cisse | alex1: it should be adaquate protection for most things .. |
| 23:25.11 | mo1991 | hans0lo couldn't get packet injection to work right |
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| 23:25.27 | myren | what cisse said is probably best disposable |
| 23:25.29 | cisse | dbe: what do you mean handle the same source ? |
| 23:25.42 | hans0lo | mo1991: packet injection? waht's that? |
| 23:26.02 | disposable | cisse myren: ok, i'm going to google around for this. thanks again |
| 23:26.03 | cisse | hans0lo: used for breaking WEP keys |
| 23:26.12 | mo1991 | used with aircrack - playing with my wireless |
| 23:26.21 | hans0lo | ahhh. Muahaha. |
| 23:26.22 | alex1 | cisse whats your e-mail adress please |
| 23:26.36 | dbe | cisee, erm, I come back to this later, I at least know that "one" in the channel prefers Subversion =) |
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| 23:26.53 | cisse | dbe: what are you looking to do with svn/cvs ? |
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| 23:27.03 | g0th | hi |
| 23:27.13 | mo1991 | can anyone here help me to rebuild madwifi modules for kernel 2.4.27? Or does anyone have a .deb of the modules? |
| 23:27.14 | dbe | cisee, I'm just analysing |
| 23:27.17 | Fluten | How can i find out what options i need to enable in make menuconfig in order to have another availiable option become visible? |
| 23:27.20 | cisse | dbe: ah |
| 23:27.37 | g0th | what package do I need to get java working? |
| 23:27.44 | g0th | I have gcj installed |
| 23:27.47 | cisse | g0th /msg dpkg java |
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| 23:28.05 | olorin | g0th: download the binary package from java.sun.com |
| 23:28.29 | olorin | or use the gnu java |
| 23:28.33 | dbe | g0th, go to http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html |
| 23:28.39 | britt_ | there was an excellent howto for installing that on the web (google) for ubuntu which could easily be adapted for debian |
| 23:28.47 | mo1991 | cisse - can u help me with madwifi? |
| 23:29.01 | cisse | mo1991: i don't know much about wifi, what are you trying to do ? |
| 23:29.06 | dbe | g0th, to be redirected, click on: Download J2SE JRE (not the RPM version) |
| 23:29.31 | dbe | g0th, download and run apt-get install java-package lpr |
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| 23:30.03 | mo1991 | cisse - compile the modules to a .deb to work with my 2.4.27 kernel - it's up in 2.6.8 but I did that a while ago and apparently didn't take as good a notes as I should have |
| 23:30.03 | g0th | lpr??? |
| 23:30.06 | Thanatermesis | hans0lo not is a problem of the sticky... permissions good.. sticky.. all good... only root can be extract... and BROKE MY COMPUTER ! |
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| 23:30.13 | Thanatermesis | shuting down the /proc ... *sigh* |
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| 23:30.26 | Thanatermesis | incredible.. all my work crashed... BLAM ! |
| 23:30.32 | cisse | mo1991: hrm never tried that, sorry |
| 23:30.41 | dbe | g0th, well you don't need that, but's some howto I read recommeded it (I dunno the arguments or so but) |
| 23:30.54 | g0th | I have cupsys |
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| 23:31.02 | hans0lo | Thanatermesis: shutdown -Fr now should fix any remenants |
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| 23:31.07 | Azar | cisse this is interesting: googled for "agent2141" : my kbd froze. Used another PC and googled: here it what it is: http://www.rustypants/stats/agent_200105.html |
| 23:31.29 | dbe | g0th, after the apt install you do "su nonsuperuser" |
| 23:31.46 | Azar | that interesting, how come that stuff listens on my pc? |
| 23:31.47 | g0th | kewl |
| 23:31.50 | dbe | g0th, and run "fakeroot make-jpkg j2re-*-linux-*.bin" |
| 23:31.51 | olorin | g0th: just download th binary package on java.sun.com |
| 23:31.55 | cisse | azar can't find that page |
| 23:31.56 | disposable | g0th: i'm sending you java1.5 in .deb format thru irc. can you see it? |
| 23:31.56 | g0th | kk |
| 23:31.58 | g0th | will do |
| 23:32.06 | g0th | 65mb ;) |
| 23:32.06 | g0th | lol |
| 23:32.08 | bucky | mo1991 try using module-assitant ? |
| 23:32.09 | g0th | please don't |
| 23:32.13 | dbe | g0th, su to root which run "dpkg -i sun-j2re*.deb" |
| 23:32.13 | g0th | I will download it myself |
| 23:32.14 | hans0lo | mo1991: are you using unstable? |
| 23:32.21 | mo1991 | using stable |
| 23:32.21 | Azar | cisse sorry: http://www.rustypants.com/stats/agent_200105.html |
| 23:32.23 | dbe | g0th, and finito |
| 23:32.26 | g0th | dbe: kewl |
| 23:32.31 | mo1991 | bucky no - how do I do that |
| 23:32.35 | Gnea | !enter |
| 23:32.35 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 23:32.36 | Azar | cisse you think is a spybot? |
| 23:32.43 | Azar | hi mr. Gnea |
| 23:32.47 | cisse | hrm still can't see that link weird |
| 23:32.50 | Gnea | Azar: wattup |
| 23:32.55 | bucky | mo1991, and did you install madwifi-tools ? |
| 23:32.56 | Thanatermesis | hans0lo i don't know what is it and what about the shutdown but... the first thing to has hapenned is my programs frozen, after my X are killed, and 2 seconds after, powerdown automatically... and im looking the monitor... O_O |
| 23:32.58 | hans0lo | mo1991: add non-free to your sources.list and there will be madwifi-tools madwifi-sourcs and madwifi-dev |
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| 23:33.01 | dbe | g0th, god luck |
| 23:33.02 | Azar | cisse I used IE to see it |
| 23:33.07 | cisse | hmmm |
| 23:33.09 | Azar | mozilla-firefox blocks it |
| 23:33.17 | Azar | is mozilla stats |
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| 23:33.25 | Gnea | Azar: upgraded *everything* this afternoon and it's working great |
| 23:33.40 | bucky | mo1991 m-a prepare madwifi && m-a a-i madwifi |
| 23:33.44 | Azar | Gnea: \0/ |
| 23:33.45 | hans0lo | Thanatermesis: So it won't power back on?;5~ |
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| 23:34.03 | mo1991 | hans0lo - I did that - that's where I got the source from to compile the mdoules |
| 23:34.33 | bucky | mo1991, use m-a ^^ |
| 23:34.36 | hans0lo | mo1991: ahh, now I understand. soorry man |
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| 23:34.57 | Azar | cisse for 2141 says: Hits: 2141 9.57% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) |
| 23:35.06 | cisse | hmmm |
| 23:35.10 | cisse | can't see it on ie mac wtf |
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| 23:35.18 | britt_ | ie for mac sux |
| 23:35.21 | g0th | btw, why isn't this included in a script as with microsoft core fonts? |
| 23:35.23 | cisse | yep |
| 23:35.23 | g0th | sthg like that |
| 23:35.25 | britt_ | firefox is better |
| 23:35.27 | mith | why the hell are you using ie mac? |
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| 23:35.44 | chrisveroec | hi to all |
| 23:35.46 | hans0lo | britt_: ie for mac is a pain in my ass |
| 23:35.49 | cisse | mith: no pc |
| 23:36.01 | mith | cisse: so? use safari like a sane person |
| 23:36.02 | Sonny | do you know which is the mambo's server channel? just in case if it exists... |
| 23:36.02 | hans0lo | britt_: so is ie for windows ;) |
| 23:36.12 | mith | cisse: if you don't have safari, you need to upgrade badly |
| 23:36.14 | Azar | so mozilla uses some "usage statitstics" script on my box? |
| 23:36.18 | britt_ | hans0lo: both IE and Safari suck, at least in Tiger |
| 23:36.23 | cisse | mith: lol i do have it he said it was ie only |
| 23:36.31 | britt_ | Safari crashes like a mother. |
| 23:36.37 | mith | britt_: when? |
| 23:36.37 | RichiH | hmm, is there any new issue with the package keys? |
| 23:36.39 | hans0lo | britt_: safari at least renders most pages well. |
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| 23:36.43 | g0th | dbe: hmm, which package was it again, "NetBeans IDE + J2SE SDK" or "J2EE 1.4" or "J2SE v 1.4.2_10 SDK " or "J2SE v 1.4.2_10 JRE" |
| 23:36.46 | kbrooks | "We will not object to non-free works that are intended to be used on Debian systems, or attempt to charge a fee to people who create or use such works." |
| 23:36.56 | hans0lo | britt_: but yes, firefox is king |
| 23:37.00 | kbrooks | why not object? |
| 23:37.01 | RichiH | when doing upgrade just now, it complains about not being able to verify |
| 23:37.04 | mith | britt_: The only problem I have with safari is a SIMBL plugin which causes a certain website to load slow-ish occasionally because of shitty javascript. |
| 23:37.06 | olorin | g0th: what do you want to do ? |
| 23:37.10 | RichiH | (and no, this is not the 2006 key issue) |
| 23:37.14 | kbrooks | and a fee would be reasonable, no? |
| 23:37.14 | g0th | install java on debian |
| 23:37.28 | olorin | g0th: developping application ? |
| 23:37.35 | g0th | hmm, atm not |
| 23:37.36 | hans0lo | mith: if there was no such thing as firefox, I'd use safari |
| 23:37.36 | Azar | cisse is it right to assume that firefox uses a script to track usage in the /tmp/ssh-RdkCgo2141 directory with agent.2141? |
| 23:37.38 | g0th | but maybe later |
| 23:37.54 | britt_ | the *ONLY* IE version that is decent is the one for OS 9 |
| 23:37.59 | mith | britt_: and I sit with a webbrowser open 8-12 hours a day doing most of my work (through that and a terminal)... until the other day when i rebooted because kismac decided to eat the airport extreme drivers, safari had been open and running the same instance for over a month |
| 23:38.00 | g0th | but if I'm already at it I might as well create all packages |
| 23:38.01 | cisse | Azar: i guess so, i can't say i know much about this stuff |
| 23:38.01 | britt_ | mith: maybe it changed |
| 23:38.04 | olorin | g0th: J2SE v 1.4.2_10 JRE |
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| 23:38.06 | Azar | trying to open that prompts you to use with -f |
| 23:38.17 | britt_ | mith: ouch |
| 23:38.21 | kbrooks | THERE? |
| 23:38.23 | kbrooks | "We will not object to non-free works that are intended to be used on Debian systems, or attempt to charge a fee to people who create or use such works." |
| 23:38.26 | britt_ | that sounds like a long day |
| 23:38.27 | hans0lo | britt_: egad! I develop websites and IE for any mac is a nightmare |
| 23:38.28 | mith | eh, kismac has a bad habbit of doing that, I wasn't surprised :P |
| 23:38.40 | kbrooks | why not object? why wouldnt a fee be reasonable? |
| 23:38.52 | mith | osx kernel panics are much prettier than linux/solaris/freebsd's, though, heh |
| 23:38.54 | dbe | g0th, download J2SE JRE (not the RPM version) |
| 23:38.59 | azeem | kbrooks: what's your problem |
| 23:39.00 | azeem | ? |
| 23:39.07 | britt_ | hans0lo: well there is no firefox for OS 9, and netsacpe is painfully slow. IE on my slow machine even beats out iCab |
| 23:39.11 | g0th | dbe: doing right now |
| 23:39.16 | kbrooks | azeem, i'm just asking a QUESTION |
| 23:39.17 | g0th | dbe: do I need anything else? |
| 23:39.17 | Jasper | is there any script that gets run when you press ctrl-alt-del in xorg? |
| 23:39.25 | azeem | kbrooks: which one? |
| 23:39.30 | g0th | for development I need only the sdk thing? |
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| 23:39.43 | kbrooks | "We will not object to non-free works that are intended to be used on Debian systems, or attempt to charge a fee to people who create or use such works." < why not object? why wouldnt a fee be reasonable? |
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| 23:39.47 | mith | hans0lo: firefox for mac sucks if you leave it open for more than a few hours (at least it did before 1.5, don't know now) |
| 23:39.51 | EmleyMoor | Is there an easy way to block all mail from a specific domain, in a reasonably-default Debian exim setup? |
| 23:39.56 | mith | hans0lo: yay memory leaks |
| 23:40.01 | loggygreg | g0th: yes |
| 23:40.02 | g0th | hmm, what is the enterprise edition then? ;) |
| 23:40.04 | azeem | kbrooks: because we decided not to object |
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| 23:40.07 | dbe | g0th, no |
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| 23:40.15 | azeem | kbrooks: and why should we charge a fee? |
| 23:40.22 | dbe | g0th, for developers I would guess |
| 23:40.35 | Malagmyr | is there a way to see what drives are currently spun down because of hdparm spindown timeout thingies? |
| 23:40.36 | g0th | ok ok |
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| 23:40.57 | kbrooks | azeem, because they are malking/using closed source software therefore they should use free software |
| 23:40.57 | dbe | g0th, javadevelopers as in javatrap |
| 23:41.03 | bliss | cisse you want to give my ssh a test |
| 23:41.09 | azeem | kbrooks: malking? |
| 23:41.12 | hans0lo | britt_: i got a used imac, I think it's 500mhz, how old is the one u r talking about? |
| 23:41.15 | kbrooks | making* |
| 23:41.15 | trinitrogen | How do I stop my wireless device from trying to lease an IP during boot? |
| 23:41.40 | bliss | you asked for my ip a few minutes ago I was alex1 |
| 23:41.40 | azeem | kbrooks: Debian decided not to force Free Software on people who don't want to eliminate non-free software from their lives completely |
| 23:41.42 | hans0lo | mith: I use safari when on my mac.. I just open firefox to test pages |
| 23:42.25 | dbe | hans0lo, safari is non-free, right? |
| 23:42.30 | mith | it's free |
| 23:42.39 | mith | with purchase of OSX or an apple computer |
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| 23:42.45 | azeem | mith: this is #debian |
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| 23:42.47 | Thanatermesis | hans0lo nope... directly poweroff.. i think without runlevel 6 or similar |
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| 23:43.02 | dbe | mith, but I cannot find it on apt, it's just not ported to debian I guess |
| 23:43.04 | mith | azeem: what? someone was bitching about macie, i was calling them dumb for using it period :P |
| 23:43.19 | kbrooks | azeem, well, here's a question. have you used xpdf? |
| 23:43.21 | mith | dbe: um, safari isn't available for anything but osx |
| 23:43.25 | azeem | kbrooks: yes |
| 23:43.28 | g0th | dbe: I got a few warnings like "dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of `NEEDED libjvm.so' not recognized" but I suppose I can ignore them? |
| 23:43.33 | azeem | mith: it is not free |
| 23:43.34 | Jasper | is there anyone here who ever used nvtv? |
| 23:43.37 | kbrooks | azeem, how about acroreader? |
| 23:43.38 | azeem | webcore is |
| 23:43.42 | bliss | whats the command line to see if port 22 is open and not blocked |
| 23:43.50 | azeem | kbrooks: what does that have to do with anything? |
| 23:43.52 | cisse | telnet localhost 22 |
| 23:43.52 | mith | azeem: um, it's free as in it is not an additional cost |
| 23:43.55 | jvw | g0th: yes you can |
| 23:43.56 | hans0lo | dbe: Not sure, but it's OSX only as far as I know |
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| 23:43.58 | cisse | nmap -sS -p 22 computer |
| 23:44.00 | azeem | mith: yes, but this is #debian |
| 23:44.00 | dbe | g0th, I don't know, try and tell me how it went |
| 23:44.03 | jvw | g0th: it's a buglet that you see the warning, it doesn't hurt |
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| 23:44.11 | azeem | mith: so the general definition of free in here is "Free Software" |
| 23:44.24 | mith | azeem: ya, well, the entire debian concept of 'free' is retarded and doesn't need to be applied to every single use of the word free ever |
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| 23:44.29 | azeem | mith: if you're talking about something else, say "freeware" or whatever |
| 23:44.30 | hans0lo | Thanatermesis: Yeah, that's happened like twice in the past 3 yrs to me. |
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| 23:44.43 | azeem | mith: sure, but in here, we will keep it like that |
| 23:44.45 | azeem | mith: deal |
| 23:44.55 | Thanatermesis | and the first time for me now, hehe |
| 23:44.55 | kbrooks | azeem, well, if you were charged a fee for removing xpdf and installing <insert proprietary pdf reader here>, how would you feel |
| 23:44.56 | dbe | hans0lo, it's owned by O'reilly, they are profits so I doubt it will come to GNU/Linux as free |
| 23:45.11 | g0th | btw, guys I'm really amazed on how fast I got all the answer to my question! thanks a lot! |
| 23:45.12 | mith | what, are you going to ban me for using the word 'free' in a way you don't like? Because that's a new level of lawl even for freenode. :P |
| 23:45.13 | azeem | kbrooks: nobody said about charging for removing free software |
| 23:45.19 | Sonny | do you know where can I get helpp tp configure mambo server? |
| 23:45.29 | hans0lo | dbe: If it rendered exactly the same on mac as linux, I'd pay a couple bucks for it. |
| 23:45.33 | kbrooks | azeem, "use" |
| 23:45.39 | thingfish | gee, someone's real pleasant. |
| 23:45.43 | azeem | mith: no, I just *asked* you to either use it in the way people use it in here, or qualify it |
| 23:45.48 | dbe | hans0lo, then you are not free my friend |
| 23:46.01 | azeem | kbrooks: why don't your write to debian-legal about this |
| 23:46.02 | bliss | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.4p1 Debian 1:3.4p1-0.0woody1 |
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| 23:46.16 | kbrooks | azeem, this isnt a survey |
| 23:46.23 | kbrooks | i am just wondering |
| 23:46.32 | dbe | hans0lo, I don't even accept open source anylonger it should be free software all the way |
| 23:46.33 | hans0lo | dbe: business expense. mostly free. |
| 23:46.37 | azeem | kbrooks: and they will be able to give you an exhaustive answer |
| 23:46.47 | azeem | I am not interested in discussing this |
| 23:46.48 | bliss | cisse whats your e-mail please test ssh 22 |
| 23:46.48 | kbrooks | azeem, Very well. |
| 23:46.59 | kbrooks | dbe: i prefer open source |
| 23:47.05 | hans0lo | dbe: I'm not there quite yet, but that's a good goal, I think |
| 23:47.17 | dbe | kbrooks, why not free software |
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| 23:47.29 | metaperl | I need a graphical client to kill processes |
| 23:47.31 | kbrooks | dbe: um, because i can. |
| 23:47.37 | g0th | dbe: works all well :) |
| 23:47.48 | dbe | g0th, nice |
| 23:47.50 | mith | dbe: because stallman is a crazy old man whose ideals conflict with most normal people's |
| 23:48.09 | britt_ | is there a regex capable volume normalizer program for console? so i can normalize mp3s |
| 23:48.11 | thingfish | man...what's that smell? |
| 23:48.35 | dbe | mith, Im a member of FSFE so i disagree |
| 23:48.45 | hans0lo | thingfish: your upper lip? |
| 23:48.54 | thingfish | hah |
| 23:48.59 | thingfish | it is to laugh. |
| 23:49.16 | EmleyMoor | I have an urgent need to discard all mail from a particular domain - what's the easiest way to do that, assuming a Debian-standard installation of exim? |
| 23:49.21 | hans0lo | thingfish: hehe.. |
| 23:49.25 | mith | dbe: so, you're saying that because *you* are a member of the the FSF that stallman's viewpoints don't conflict with the majority of the world's population's viewpoints on the same subjects? Because that's lunacy. |
| 23:49.37 | kbrooks | DBE: URL to fsfe |
| 23:49.40 | bliss | any gui for postfix please |
| 23:49.55 | dbe | kbrooks, http://www.fsfeurope.org/ |
| 23:50.02 | thingfish | um, since when is the majority ever right anyway? |
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| 23:51.24 | dbe | thingfish, that't the whole thing fish |
| 23:51.32 | hans0lo | how could anyone possibly know what the majority thinks anyways? |
| 23:51.49 | hans0lo | all we hear is what the media thinks |
| 23:51.55 | mith | hans0lo: well, the majority of the world isn't a bunch of dirty hippies, so it's pretty obvious on this particular point |
| 23:52.03 | dbe | hans0lo, money money money |
| 23:52.10 | mith | hans0lo: they like money. |
| 23:52.18 | thingfish | well, at least now we *know* it's a troll. |
| 23:52.21 | dbe | ABBA did too |
| 23:52.35 | hans0lo | mith: isn't the "3rd" world comprised of hippy-like behavior? |
| 23:52.55 | thingfish | yeah, dirty, vegetable-eating, nasty primitives. |
| 23:53.12 | mith | hans0lo: well, the "3rd" world doesn't have computers to be worrying about the difference between 'free software' and 'open source' anyways |
| 23:53.30 | mith | hans0lo: they're more worried about "eating", "not dieing", and so forth |
| 23:53.48 | azeem | mith: however, that Negroponte hippy will give Free Software a head start with the 100$ laptop |
| 23:53.51 | azeem | damn |
| 23:53.55 | hans0lo | mith: true. sounds a lot nicer than using windows to me. |
| 23:54.54 | g0th | hmm a limewire question about ports: I'm behind NAT and a firewall, in the settings I can set the network port and below I can set some stuff about the router which also includes "manual port forwarding". I'm a little confused what's the relation between those two port "things". Any idea? |
| 23:55.34 | g0th | I know that I'm nicely reachable on a certain port |
| 23:55.42 | g0th | that's already set up |
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| 23:58.49 | Azar | ok I will try to delete that agent.2141 thingie lets see whats gonna happen |
| 23:58.53 | mo1991 | cisse - I did the module assistant method for building the modules madwifi as you suggested - it seems to have worked, ath0 now shows up an everything |
| 23:59.15 | sam_ | good evening folks |
| 23:59.24 | delire | server irc.telefragged.com |
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| 23:59.30 | mo1991 | however, it does not connect to my router via dhcp as it does in 2.6.8 - just keeps timing out - is there some different settings for wireless in 2.4 I'm not aware of |
| 23:59.33 | sam_ | anyone running acrobat reader on an amd64? |
| 23:59.34 | delire | oops |
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