| 00:01.13 | loggygreg | sam_: yes, what is your question? |
| 00:01.28 | Azar | so far so good |
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| 00:01.50 | Agrajag- | is it possible to see what packages are taking up the most space? after a fair few years my /usr partition is full, and i need to free up some space |
| 00:01.56 | mo1991 | cisse - you there? |
| 00:02.40 | olorin | Agrajag-: du -hs /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 00:04.24 | abrotman | Agrajag-: you'd have to script some stuff |
| 00:04.33 | abrotman | olorin: what will that do ? |
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| 00:05.15 | olorin | abrotman: inform him about the space used by downloaded packages since 1 year |
| 00:05.20 | mo1991 | cisse - cisee you around |
| 00:05.22 | mo1991 | ? |
| 00:05.27 | abrotman | olorin: not even close to what he asked |
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| 00:06.07 | loggygreg | olorin: /usr partition he said |
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| 00:06.19 | robin_z | sigh ... |
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| 00:06.29 | abrotman | !poke robin_z |
| 00:06.44 | mo1991 | !poke robin_z |
| 00:06.50 | robin_z | OK, so today, my Sarge box has decided it cant see its PCMCIA wifi card ... |
| 00:06.50 | Agrajag- | abrotman: how can i find out the size of each installed package? |
| 00:07.04 | abrotman | Agrajag-: you'll have to use magic! |
| 00:07.17 | robin_z | its nearly got to a years uptime ... apart from rebooting, and pcmcia restart ... what else? |
| 00:07.18 | deadcat | western magic |
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| 00:08.19 | abrotman | Agrajag-: you'll have to do something like .. use a dpkg -l .. get a list of the installed packages .. then use apt-cache show <pkg> | grep Installed-Size .. stuff like that |
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| 00:08.34 | abrotman | Agrajag-: like i said .. a script |
| 00:08.42 | Agrajag- | ah yeah i didn't see that Installed-Size in the output of apt-cache show.. ta |
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| 00:08.56 | starscalling | if i disconnect brb sowwie |
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| 00:09.06 | abrotman | we won't notice :) |
| 00:09.33 | mo1991 | can someone help me - I have installed madwifi modules for 2.4 kernel and 2.6 kernel - both kernels now pick up ath0 - but only kernel 2.6 will actually get an IP from the router |
| 00:09.38 | mo1991 | 2.4 times out |
| 00:10.10 | mo1991 | the only thing I'm doing differently is which kernel I boot from |
| 00:10.11 | mo1991 | ????? |
| 00:10.23 | abrotman | so use 2.6 ? |
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| 00:10.44 | mo1991 | abrotman - my goal here is to get 2.4 up |
| 00:10.50 | mo1991 | do you think this is a driver problem? |
| 00:11.14 | mo1991 | packet injection doesn't work with 2.6 and wanna play with my wireless connect |
| 00:11.16 | abrotman | nfc .. maybe ask #madwifi ? |
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| 00:12.18 | mo1991 | abrotman - done - was asking here just to see if anyone had any hints - guess it does seem like a driver issue |
| 00:12.54 | abrotman | could be |
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| 00:14.43 | knj_ | Some friend of mine just told me, that if compiled my apache/mysql/php... It would run like 30% faster, than if I just installed the precompiled versions with apt... Is this true? Is there any good benchmarks out there? I am running P4 2,6 ghz 533 fsb... Would it really matter if I compiled it manually? |
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| 00:14.53 | Azar | ok here is what I found, if I delete the agent.2141 nothing bad happens, only next time I startx, will load another agent in the /tmp it looks like an info bot |
| 00:15.01 | Azar | and I have no clue how to block that |
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| 00:15.52 | Azar | I have removed the bot and the directory but it still shows in netstat |
| 00:16.26 | Sonny | which the best torrent client for debian? |
| 00:16.37 | Gnea | Azar: some sort of worm? |
| 00:16.44 | Gnea | !best |
| 00:16.44 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 00:16.54 | Gnea | Sonny: whatever works for you. |
| 00:16.55 | avar | $ LC_ALL=en_US.utf8 xeyes |
| 00:16.55 | avar | Warning: locale not supported by C library, locale unchanged |
| 00:16.58 | avar | why would this happen? |
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| 00:17.16 | Azar | google gives: Hits User Agent 1928 Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html) |
| 00:17.36 | Azar | Gnea no, I think some sort of commercial bots to gather statistics of hits |
| 00:17.44 | Azar | I don't think is some kind of malware |
| 00:17.51 | Gnea | Azar: oh, this is running from your webserver? |
| 00:17.51 | Azar | but is annoying to my eyes |
| 00:18.03 | Azar | Gnea heck I have no webserver |
| 00:18.13 | Gnea | well what's spawning it then? firefox? |
| 00:18.23 | Azar | just checked my netstat and on unix 2 STREAM shows this listening |
| 00:18.41 | Gnea | and it's running from /tmp? |
| 00:19.14 | Azar | Gnea, agent.2141 seems mozilla stats, agent.1928 looks like google stats |
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| 00:19.37 | Gnea | Azar: check logs - and kill that shit |
| 00:19.39 | Azar | I guess their websites are planting those bots on me |
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| 00:19.46 | Gnea | kill 'em! |
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| 00:19.50 | Azar | how? |
| 00:19.56 | Gnea | well |
| 00:19.59 | Gnea | find where they are |
| 00:20.05 | Gnea | and cut 'em off |
| 00:20.07 | abrotman | nuke! |
| 00:20.09 | Azar | in "top" ? |
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| 00:21.13 | Gnea | isolate your net connection and isolate /tmp |
| 00:21.13 | Gnea | then squash the fucker |
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| 00:21.18 | Gnea | abrotman: i prefer the bottom of my boot, myself ;) |
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| 00:21.35 | Gnea | you know, catch some air and let gravity do the rest |
| 00:21.43 | Fluten | I am configuring my kernel using xconfig, and the option I want to select is greyed out. How do I select it? |
| 00:21.44 | Azar | ok what is a ssh-agent? |
| 00:21.51 | Azar | process: ssh-agent |
| 00:22.04 | abrotman | Fluten: find what it depends on or confflicts with .. change it |
| 00:22.11 | Gnea | Azar: X uses that to auto-auth programs |
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| 00:22.38 | Fluten | abrotman, how do i find what it depends on? |
| 00:22.49 | Azar | it's not a big deal for some I guess but I hate having stats bots without my consent |
| 00:22.56 | deadcat | Fluten: you have to know. else dont fuck with the kernel |
| 00:22.58 | Azar | wait.. |
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| 00:23.01 | abrotman | usually when something depends on something else .. it will just do it |
| 00:23.17 | Azar | I installed last night the contest... it might be that? |
| 00:23.24 | Azar | you know, it might be that man |
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| 00:23.33 | Fluten | deadcat, It's for a soundmodem module I can't find much documentation on. Is there a file in the kernel listing all the dependencies? |
| 00:23.35 | Gnea | Azar: like i said, check your logs out |
| 00:23.35 | abrotman | Fluten: why are you compiling your kernel? |
| 00:23.40 | Azar | .. only I can't play because I do not have mail |
| 00:23.45 | Azar | the debian-contest Gnea |
| 00:23.53 | abrotman | Fluten: you realize that debian kernels have everything as modules? |
| 00:23.59 | Gnea | debian-contest? |
| 00:23.59 | deadcat | Azar: what did you win? |
| 00:24.03 | Azar | Gnea, logs suck, filled with silly bruteforce waste of time |
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| 00:24.08 | dvs | abrotman: No, it's in the initrd :-P |
| 00:24.16 | abrotman | not everything is |
| 00:24.18 | Azar | deadcat, nothing, I don't have email in order to participate |
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| 00:24.26 | Gnea | Azar: what contest? |
| 00:24.32 | Teetee | Hi |
| 00:24.36 | Azar | Gnea I read on some Debian site |
| 00:24.55 | Azar | Gnea is about offering stats from your machine in order to help the next release |
| 00:24.55 | Fluten | abrotman, does the kernel run faster when it's compiled yourself? |
| 00:24.55 | Gnea | Azar: which one? |
| 00:25.03 | Azar | aghhhh damn I forgot |
| 00:25.06 | dvs | Fluten: it boots faster |
| 00:25.20 | Alliyah | Hi |
| 00:25.23 | azeem | Azar: are you talking about popularity-contest? |
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| 00:25.46 | deadcat | Fluten: who gives you that idea? |
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| 00:25.51 | Azar | azeem yes!! that one :) |
| 00:25.53 | Agrajag- | my openoffice2 menus (file/edit/etc.) don't fit in with the rest of the gui - doesn't appear to be using gtk or something - is this the case for everyone using oo2 debian packages? |
| 00:25.59 | Fluten | deadcat, since it only has the modules one uses |
| 00:26.00 | Alliyah | any one want to talk to a 17 girl |
| 00:26.07 | dvs | o_O |
| 00:26.08 | azeem | Agrajag-: install the -gtk-gnome support package |
| 00:26.08 | Azar | so I guess thats what I see on my netstat stream.. |
| 00:26.14 | Gnea | Alliyah: wrong channel, wrong network. |
| 00:26.21 | Alliyah | lol |
| 00:26.21 | Agrajag- | azeem: ta |
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| 00:26.26 | deadcat | Fluten: it doesnt load every freakin module in the kernel.. just hte stuff in /etc/modules and the required |
| 00:26.38 | Fluten | deadcat, ill try a kernel-image then |
| 00:26.39 | deadcat | Alliyah: no fuck off |
| 00:26.44 | LsD- | rotf |
| 00:26.50 | Gnea | !tell Alliyah about debian |
| 00:26.58 | abrotman | scranton? |
| 00:27.05 | Alliyah | fine you missed out |
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| 00:27.08 | Fluten | Alliyah, what kind of 17 girl? |
| 00:27.08 | LsD- | nope |
| 00:27.13 | LsD- | wilkes-barre |
| 00:27.27 | abrotman | we sure did .. i mean .. there's nothing more i want than 5 years in jail with a "girl"friend |
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| 00:27.39 | deadcat | Fluten: not in thie channel. if you want to chat. go to another channel |
| 00:27.41 | abrotman | LsD-: close enough! |
| 00:27.43 | Sonny | hello, do you know wich are the repositories to install azureus? |
| 00:27.48 | Alliyah | click on me and see |
| 00:27.50 | LsD- | ya |
| 00:27.51 | Gnea | Alliyah: we're a bunch of computer geeks who strictly talk about computing here, specifically the Debian GNU/Linux Operating System. You are off-topic. |
| 00:27.51 | deadcat | Sonny: none |
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| 00:28.07 | LsD- | abrotman, you from around here too? |
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| 00:28.12 | deadcat | Alliyah: not everyone uses mirc... CLICK... |
| 00:28.13 | abrotman | LsD-: i grew up in danville |
| 00:28.17 | LsD- | ahh |
| 00:28.21 | LsD- | nice |
| 00:28.23 | Gnea | deadcat: back down. |
| 00:28.37 | abrotman | LsD-: i live near philly now .. but i work with a guy from ... uhm . up there somewhere |
| 00:28.48 | aarkerio | how can I close 21 port definitively ? |
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| 00:28.58 | deadcat | aarkerio: turn off ftp |
| 00:28.59 | LsD- | ahh not bad |
| 00:29.02 | Gnea | aarkerio: what's using it? |
| 00:29.02 | Alliyah | By geeks you missed out on a sexy cherleader |
| 00:29.15 | abrotman | Alliyah: please leave the channel |
| 00:29.15 | *** part/#debian Alliyah (i=tia99@dialup-4.249.48.133.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net) |
| 00:29.16 | dvs | !ops Alliyah is spamming the channel |
| 00:29.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Alliyah is spamming the channel |
| 00:29.16 | deadcat | ^^ mwilson? back for revenge? |
| 00:29.27 | azeem | dvs: uhm, no |
| 00:29.28 | Gnea | Alliyah: there's more to life than curves and STDs |
| 00:29.30 | azeem | this is not spamming |
| 00:29.32 | Sonny | deadcat: my synaptic tells me that there are broken packages.. I need j2re ... |
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| 00:29.43 | helix | oook |
| 00:29.55 | Azar | someone desperate tries to login as root here.. this is not a bot lol |
| 00:29.55 | deadcat | Sonny: ya. debian doesnt seem to have j2re, there IS blackdown but it sucks too |
| 00:30.02 | dvs | azeem: Oh, and that's on topic? |
| 00:30.04 | abrotman | Azar: bots do it too |
| 00:30.09 | azeem | dvs: no |
| 00:30.11 | abrotman | dvs: no .. but it's not spamming |
| 00:30.14 | Azar | abrotman, as root? |
| 00:30.18 | gravity | I recommend /ignore |
| 00:30.18 | abrotman | Azar: yep |
| 00:30.22 | Azar | nice |
| 00:30.40 | azeem | but I didn't think it was that much worse than the open-source vs. free software discussion we had earlier |
| 00:30.43 | azeem | ... yet |
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| 00:30.54 | Sonny | deadcat: so what do I have to add to my sources.list?¡ |
| 00:30.55 | Azar | it rather seem like an application asking root |
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| 00:31.06 | helix | azeem: what was /that/ discussion about? |
| 00:31.08 | cockroach | hi. i'm wondering: on a "real" soundcard (eg. sb live), shouldn't there be a way to play midi files without 100% cpu usage (as it happens with timidity)? |
| 00:31.11 | abrotman | azeem: open source sucks! |
| 00:31.31 | deadcat | !tell Sonny about blackdown |
| 00:31.37 | [Bart] | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.58 | azeem | helix: basically mith trolling and calling free software zealots dirty hippies |
| 00:32.01 | deadcat | Sonny: have you tried bittorrent? its good. |
| 00:32.15 | helix | azeem: you should've told him about my bathing habits! |
| 00:32.18 | Sonny | I'll try,,, |
| 00:32.24 | lazzarello | ewww, hippies |
| 00:32.27 | dvs | helix: Doh! |
| 00:32.29 | abrotman | helix: you bathe? |
| 00:32.39 | deadcat | Sonny: or bittornado.. i am using this one. |
| 00:32.40 | gravity | A lot of free software people are dirty hippies though :-) |
| 00:32.48 | helix | abrotman: I have... enough bathing products to last me until the rapture |
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| 00:33.01 | gravity | lush! |
| 00:33.01 | dvs | abrotman: The neighbors usually have to call the fire department |
| 00:33.03 | abrotman | helix: i was joking .. you use the weird soap :) |
| 00:33.10 | azeem | * mako finds it difficult to argue that he is not a hippy while wearing a skirt |
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| 00:33.24 | cappiz | is it possible to have any kind of installation of lvm with a kind of a raid support... so if one disk fails only data at that current device is lost? |
| 00:33.24 | gravity | azeem: Exactly :-) |
| 00:33.28 | abrotman | azeem: it's back ... |
| 00:33.30 | Alliyah | Hmm |
| 00:33.40 | helix | gravity: word :D |
| 00:33.51 | azeem | Alliyah: hi, this is a Debian channel, about the Debian GNU/Linux operating system |
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| 00:34.04 | azeem | Alliyah: making friends with hippies is off-topic here |
| 00:34.04 | Gnea | abrotman: illiterate, uneducated, disrespectful 17 year olds. HEH. |
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| 00:34.52 | helix | heh |
| 00:34.53 | abrotman | can hippies .. smell each other? |
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| 00:35.02 | Gnea | hippies can smell? |
| 00:35.04 | helix | azeem: don't make me laugh, I've got a mask on |
| 00:35.12 | bbrazil | Gnea: and how |
| 00:35.19 | Coweater | hippies smell |
| 00:35.19 | Gnea | bbrazil: lol |
| 00:35.23 | disposable | Gnea: probably not 17 yrs old, probably not even a girl... |
| 00:35.31 | helix | girls are never on irc |
| 00:35.33 | Gnea | disposable: just some poser |
| 00:35.40 | Gnea | helix: what? |
| 00:35.49 | helix | what? |
| 00:35.51 | Alliyah | I get all A s im a reading geek but so |
| 00:35.56 | Gnea | no, i asked what first |
| 00:36.09 | helix | you should've been a little more verbose |
| 00:36.12 | helix | Gnea -v |
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| 00:36.23 | Gnea | Alliyah: you're still in the wrong place to meet people. |
| 00:36.24 | abrotman | don't use -vv .. he'll start cursing |
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| 00:36.32 | gravity | hehe |
| 00:36.34 | Gnea | :) |
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| 00:37.04 | Gnea | Alliyah: and just because you get all A's doesn't make you intelligent. |
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| 00:37.14 | abrotman | yeah .. look at me |
| 00:37.23 | abrotman | wait . i didn't get As |
| 00:37.24 | Gnea | funny |
| 00:37.24 | Azar | Gnea you got some good documentation handy for fail2ban? Id like to read before rushing to use it |
| 00:37.29 | deadcat | abrotman: no, Gnea is trying to say that Alliyah can suck dicks for the As (= |
| 00:37.36 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
| 00:37.44 | prudhvi | I have installed the Base Debian System and how can i restart the debian installer |
| 00:37.53 | abrotman | prudhvi: the whole installer? |
| 00:37.53 | azeem | deadcat: I think you're in the wrong channel, too |
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| 00:37.59 | deadcat | azeem: i know |
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| 00:38.12 | Gnea | prudhvi: base-config |
| 00:38.17 | sorush20 | guys can I have more than one /dev/dvd ? |
| 00:38.21 | deadcat | azeem: i was banned from #ubuntu |
| 00:38.27 | abrotman | Gnea: or tasksel ? |
| 00:38.33 | deadcat | sorush20: no |
| 00:38.34 | abrotman | i can't imagine why |
| 00:38.40 | Gnea | sorush20: /dev/dvd, /dev/dvd0, /dev/dvd1.... |
| 00:38.42 | Azar | deadcat: their loss |
| 00:38.42 | abrotman | actually . he probably could |
| 00:38.59 | abrotman | he could ln -s /dev/dvd[0-9] to /dev/dvd |
| 00:39.01 | sorush20 | Gnea: well how do I link a cdrom drive to a dvd ? |
| 00:39.05 | Gnea | abrotman: true |
| 00:39.08 | prudhvi | abrotman, i need to configure the sound Daemon. |
| 00:39.16 | SerajewelKS | i don't suppose there's a nice way to manage dead space when using twinview with different resolutions? |
| 00:39.16 | abrotman | prudhvi: alsaconf ? |
| 00:39.19 | Gnea | sorush20: same way you link a dvd to a dvd |
| 00:39.35 | SerajewelKS | i'd like to restrict the cursor from entering dead regions |
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| 00:39.49 | SerajewelKS | oh, and KDE 3.5 <3 |
| 00:39.53 | Gnea | sorush20: except, are you trying to link different drives to the same link? |
| 00:40.12 | prudhvi | abrotman, i have done it. but strangely i cant find /dev/dsp file |
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| 00:40.30 | sorush20 | well I'm trying to play my dvd from a second drive which is /dev/hdd |
| 00:40.36 | mo1991 | how often does the kernel in testing change? |
| 00:40.43 | prudhvi | abrotman, lsmod says that all the sound modules have been loaded |
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| 00:40.49 | deadcat | mo1991: not too often |
| 00:41.08 | sorush20 | how often does debian get updated? |
| 00:41.16 | abrotman | prudhvi: might need oss emulation? |
| 00:41.19 | deadcat | sorush20: not often at all. if stable you mean. |
| 00:41.38 | Alliyah | Fine no one ever talks wit me maybe i should become a geek |
| 00:41.49 | prudhvi | abrotman, i tried installing all the packeges related to oss |
| 00:41.52 | Gnea | bah, stupid perl |
| 00:41.58 | abrotman | this is a time i wish mhall were still around |
| 00:42.04 | Gnea | foreach(split('\n', `cvs update -dP 2>&1`)) { |
| 00:42.06 | Azar | wow I just found #debian stats page |
| 00:42.08 | sorush20 | how similar is it to ubuntu interms of package updating etc... and having the beta version etc.. |
| 00:42.09 | abrotman | prudhvi: no . it's a module . |
| 00:42.12 | abrotman | Azar: don't even say it |
| 00:42.29 | Azar | by mistake, ok Ill be quiet |
| 00:42.44 | Gnea | foreach(split('\n', `cvs update -dP 2>&1`)) { <--- that split function is broken, does anyone who knows perl know why? |
| 00:42.44 | abrotman | prudhvi: http://alsa.opensrc.org/OssEmulation |
| 00:42.49 | prudhvi | abrotman, can i PM you the Module details |
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| 00:43.01 | abrotman | prudhvi: paste it somewhere |
| 00:43.02 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:43.02 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:43.14 | Gnea | Alliyah: hey, i told you how it is here when you came in. |
| 00:43.35 | mo1991 | does anyone have madwifi working with 2.4.27 kernel? |
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| 00:43.40 | abrotman | Gnea: but you talk to me .. and i'm a 12 year old girl .. |
| 00:43.45 | mo1991 | I can't seem to get it to work even though ath0 is detected |
| 00:43.58 | deadcat | mo1991: whats not working |
| 00:44.06 | Gnea | abrotman: oh gee, i'm sorry, did i ask you if you wanted to meet somewhere? |
| 00:44.09 | Gnea | :P |
| 00:44.16 | Gnea | damn sicko |
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| 00:44.25 | abrotman | Gnea: can you meet me at the day care after my mom drops me off? :) |
| 00:44.34 | prudhvi | abrotman, well #flood ? |
| 00:44.35 | deadcat | hhahah. sick bastard |
| 00:44.42 | cplx`wk | can someone please assist me with mrtg.. I have done an apt-get install mrtg.. how do I graph an interface? |
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| 00:44.58 | Gnea | abrotman: ahhahahaha i'd shoot the shit outta anyone that did that :) |
| 00:45.02 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:45.04 | mo1991 | deadcat - won't get an IP from DHCP and doesn't work if I set statically |
| 00:45.19 | cplx`wk | How do I graph eth0 on the same machine mrtg is installed.. rather :P~ |
| 00:45.22 | deadcat | mo1991: output your iwconfig and ifconfig somewhere please |
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| 00:45.31 | deadcat | mo1991: also dmesg|tail |
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| 00:45.46 | seb- | dpkg --reconfigure not an option? |
| 00:45.47 | Gnea | cplx`wk: did you read /usr/share/doc/mrtg/* yet? |
| 00:45.59 | seb- | # dpkg --reconfigure jpilot |
| 00:45.59 | seb- | dpkg: unknown option --reconfigure |
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| 00:46.00 | deadcat | seb-: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:46.02 | cplx`wk | Gnea: I dont have much time atm, otherwhise I would.. thats why I am here :P |
| 00:46.06 | seb- | ahh! |
| 00:46.07 | seb- | thanks! |
| 00:46.09 | Gnea | seb-: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:46.14 | cplx`wk | Gnea: I wouldnt be here if I had time to read.. |
| 00:46.21 | deadcat | Gnea: what you have a 20sec lag? |
| 00:46.33 | Gnea | cplx`wk: and yet, you have time to read my banter :) |
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| 00:47.08 | jetx | hey what's the deb line for etch security please |
| 00:47.15 | cplx`wk | Gnea: can you assist me or not? |
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| 00:47.34 | seb- | hey! /dev/ttyusb* files don't exist? how configure for an app? |
| 00:47.37 | Gnea | cplx`wk: i already did |
| 00:47.40 | deadcat | !tell jetx about testing security |
| 00:47.48 | Gnea | cplx`wk: if you don't like it, that's your tough luck |
| 00:47.55 | cplx`wk | bah. |
| 00:47.57 | cplx`wk | useless |
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| 00:48.13 | abrotman | Gnea: useless bag of water! |
| 00:48.17 | Gnea | i pity no one who won't help themselves. |
| 00:48.19 | Azar | :) |
| 00:48.22 | Gnea | :) |
| 00:48.26 | deadcat | people like that make me dont want to help here (= |
| 00:48.31 | abrotman | !tell jetx about testing security |
| 00:48.34 | abrotman | doh! |
| 00:48.39 | jetx | yeah but what's the deb line |
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| 00:48.45 | abrotman | deadcat: you help ? |
| 00:48.46 | deadcat | jetx: read the link |
| 00:48.52 | jetx | no browser |
| 00:48.59 | deadcat | abrotman: "dont want to help" |
| 00:49.03 | abrotman | jetx: you don't have links/lynx ? |
| 00:49.06 | Gnea | deadcat: i find it easier to just discriminate ;) |
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| 00:49.15 | deadcat | Gnea: true (= |
| 00:49.16 | abrotman | Gnea: cheesehead! |
| 00:49.22 | mtnman | jetx: browsers are free (as in beer). get one. |
| 00:49.24 | jetx | ok then let me rephrase... one sec |
| 00:49.25 | Gnea | abrotman: so?! |
| 00:49.33 | abrotman | Gnea: send me some! |
| 00:49.39 | klaxian | anyone ever have any problems with gtk-gnutella not finding any hosts? |
| 00:49.41 | deadcat | jetx: no we dont use that line. |
| 00:49.54 | deadcat | klaxian: no. works fine here. just downloaded some mp3 with it |
| 00:49.59 | mtnman | klaxian: yes, that happens on one of my machines, but not the other. |
| 00:49.59 | jetx | i remember http://security.debian.org/ debian/testing main ... what did i mess up |
| 00:50.09 | klaxian | mtnman: any ideas how to fix it? |
| 00:50.22 | deadcat | jetx: thats not the one |
| 00:50.33 | jetx | yeah i noticed, hence my presence |
| 00:50.36 | deadcat | jetx: read what dpkg told you and follow that link |
| 00:50.41 | mtnman | klaxian: nope. well, i guess you could purge gtk-gnutella, and then reinstall. which version are you running? |
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| 00:50.56 | jetx | that seems kinda a lot of trouble for a few letters of text |
| 00:51.07 | jetx | ok i have an easier way |
| 00:51.07 | deadcat | jetx: then dont use security. your choice |
| 00:51.08 | abrotman | !be a reading barbie |
| 00:51.08 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 00:51.14 | jetx | phht |
| 00:51.21 | jetx | now that is like dum |
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| 00:51.25 | jetx | brb |
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| 00:51.39 | mtnman | jetx: it's not just a few letters of text. it is information which you deem important enough to bother someone else about it. |
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| 00:51.47 | deadcat | ok guys. when jetx comes back. DONT pay attention to his ass (= |
| 00:51.53 | GutterPunk | Does anyone know of a good package to create network layout diagrams? |
| 00:51.55 | abrotman | you mean .. "dumb" :) |
| 00:52.04 | abrotman | GutterPunk: dia |
| 00:52.04 | deadcat | GutterPunk: dia |
| 00:52.06 | GutterPunk | I'm looking for something like Visio |
| 00:52.09 | abrotman | GutterPunk: dia |
| 00:52.11 | GutterPunk | does dia have that? |
| 00:52.16 | Gnea | GutterPunk: dia |
| 00:52.21 | deadcat | GutterPunk: ya. on the menu |
| 00:52.23 | GutterPunk | I didn't know :/ only used it for UML :) |
| 00:52.23 | abrotman | no .. we just said it for no reason |
| 00:52.25 | Daveman | roflcopter |
| 00:52.25 | GutterPunk | I get it :) THANKS :) |
| 00:52.36 | klaxian | mtnman: gtk-gnutella 0.95.4-1 |
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| 00:53.07 | deadcat | klaxian: is this your first time using that prog? |
| 00:53.52 | abrotman | klaxian: did you get the hosts file ? |
| 00:54.08 | abrotman | or rather . *a* hosts file ? |
| 00:54.26 | klaxian | abrotman: no i didn't get a hosts file...should i go to the sourceforge page and get that? |
| 00:54.32 | abrotman | they might have one |
| 00:54.39 | SerajewelKS | is there some kind of hack that will restrict the cursor from moving into dead space? some xorg.conf directive perhaps? |
| 00:54.40 | klaxian | abrotman: ok i will try that |
| 00:54.44 | abrotman | 24.208.207.27:3074 |
| 00:54.44 | abrotman | 88.104.103.6:6348 |
| 00:54.47 | abrotman | there are two |
| 00:54.59 | abrotman | thouhg .. they may not work :) |
| 00:54.59 | klaxian | abrotman: where do i put them? a config file somewhere? |
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| 00:55.05 | GutterPunk | the icons do suck :) |
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| 00:55.41 | abrotman | GutterPunk: fix them! |
| 00:55.41 | kspath | GutterPunk: You should get started creating newer/prettier ones now. |
| 00:55.50 | abrotman | klaxian: $HOME/.gtk-gnutella/hosts |
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| 00:55.51 | deadcat | GutterPunk: what you expect. free software |
| 00:55.58 | GutterPunk | I knew someone was gonna say that :) |
| 00:56.07 | klaxian | abrotman: thanks |
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| 00:56.38 | GutterPunk | deadcat, yeah I know... errm, actually a lot of free software comes with absolutely great icons too... I guess there are no alternatives to this one |
| 00:56.55 | deadcat | GutterPunk: ya. and some dont. |
| 00:57.01 | deadcat | this is a dont |
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| 00:57.18 | SerajewelKS | !beat X.org |
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| 00:57.38 | Daveman | haha |
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| 01:00.09 | abrotman | GutterPunk: there is a KDE program . but i don't know what it is |
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| 01:00.17 | itrebal | !beat dpkg |
| 01:00.19 | itrebal | sweet. |
| 01:00.21 | itrebal | hehe |
| 01:00.22 | SerajewelKS | gah, all i want is a way to tell X "don't let the cursor enter 1280,0 + 1152,160 |
| 01:00.27 | deadcat | pool.ntp.org seems not working. |
| 01:00.42 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: it works over here |
| 01:00.47 | abrotman | deadcat: it's just you |
| 01:00.49 | jchillerup | I know this isn't #ubuntu, but it's more APT-oriented, and there is WAY too much talk in #ubuntu, and way too few who know anything. I recently updated my sources.list to an a little too bleeding-edge version. Now, I reverted. Is there a way to reinstall each and every package on the system to the newest version in your apt repositories? |
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| 01:01.03 | abrotman | way too much talk in #ubuntu? |
| 01:01.08 | deadcat | jchillerup: then dont ask |
| 01:01.09 | abrotman | !tell kenperl about root |
| 01:01.17 | SerajewelKS | jchillerup: you want to downgrade. no, there's no simple method. |
| 01:01.23 | abrotman | jchillerup: downgrade not possible |
| 01:01.34 | deadcat | Feb 13 17:00:03 hades ntpdate[27194]: can't find host pool.ntp.org |
| 01:01.44 | jchillerup | No downgrading :( |
| 01:01.47 | gravity | jchillerup: No |
| 01:02.02 | jchillerup | hm. |
| 01:02.12 | deadcat | jchillerup: reinstall time |
| 01:02.16 | jchillerup | I guess so |
| 01:02.18 | GutterPunk | lol |
| 01:02.32 | SerajewelKS | #$%& dead space |
| 01:02.53 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: what the fuck is #$%& ? |
| 01:03.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: exactly |
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| 01:03.58 | markybob | if evince doesnt support printing to pdf, wtf is there a pdf print option? |
| 01:04.10 | zinx | abrotman: arse with a couple of letters swapped, i believe |
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| 01:04.21 | mo1991 | deadcat - u there? |
| 01:04.26 | deadcat | mo1991: what up |
| 01:04.30 | SerajewelKS | markybob: because it prompts you to ask the question, and then we can all laught at you for falling for the clever trick! |
| 01:04.32 | abrotman | zinx: sear ? |
| 01:04.32 | deadcat | markybob: whats why you dont use evince |
| 01:04.33 | zinx | abrotman: But that doesn't make much sense in the designated sentence |
| 01:04.35 | SerajewelKS | laugh too |
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| 01:05.07 | markybob | simply blows my mind. those bastards |
| 01:05.27 | abrotman | markybob: hookers? |
| 01:05.35 | deadcat | hahah |
| 01:05.38 | markybob | abrotman, whatever. ;) |
| 01:05.41 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:06.03 | mo1991 | deadcat - I put the file outputs in a pm to you - ath0 just won't connect using 2.4 kernel for some reason |
| 01:06.19 | GutterPunk | I built this kernel for my firewall on this debian box. I'm wondering. What are the odds of it working on the other box? Will glibc and so on interfere? |
| 01:06.27 | deadcat | mo1991: dont PM me. i didnt get anything. use pastebin |
| 01:06.40 | mo1991 | pastebin |
| 01:06.43 | mo1991 | how do I use that? |
| 01:06.53 | deadcat | !tell mo1991 about pastebin |
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| 01:07.17 | deadcat | i dont really know. i never use it (= |
| 01:07.20 | abrotman | GutterPunk: did you use kernel-package? |
| 01:07.30 | GutterPunk | abrotman, yes |
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| 01:07.41 | abrotman | GutterPunk: is it all special for the hardware with like .. no extra modules etc? |
| 01:07.58 | GutterPunk | abrotman, then I installed it... and then I copied all the necessary files into a tarball |
| 01:08.12 | mathias64 | Gutterpunk: glibc shouldn't matter. you can boot back and forth between 2.4 and 2.6 without changing glibc |
| 01:08.19 | GutterPunk | abrotman, I used the same kernel the firewall is using now, and made oldconfig |
| 01:08.28 | mo1991 | deadcat - http://channels.debian.net/paste/1819. |
| 01:08.49 | mo1991 | shows iwconfig and dmesg|tail |
| 01:08.50 | GutterPunk | abrotman, I just needed to apply the "l7-filter" patch, but IPCop doesn't have the necessary tools to compile kernels |
| 01:08.55 | abrotman | GutterPunk: it's more about hardware support to boot |
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| 01:09.21 | GutterPunk | abrotman, then it should be smooth sailing... I'll find out soon enough :) gonna try to boot it |
| 01:09.34 | mathias64 | gutterpunk: are you saying you just compiled it on the debian box? as long as you included drivers for the hardware on the other box, it will work fine there. |
| 01:10.01 | mathias64 | they're both x86, right? |
| 01:10.17 | deadcat | mo1991: dmesg didnt show any errors? |
| 01:10.20 | GutterPunk | math1236, only the hardware on the other box. Used it's config. No modifications whatsoever except for a new netfilter match |
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| 01:10.29 | GutterPunk | errm |
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| 01:10.31 | GutterPunk | mathias64, yep |
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| 01:10.44 | deadcat | mo1991: and you tried thsi without WEP or WPA see if it works? |
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| 01:11.05 | mathias64 | then it's just a matter of getting the hardware support right. make sure you leavce the old kernel as a backup option in grub on the firewall and you can test out the new one with little risk. |
| 01:11.11 | Gnea | abrotman: you know, this would have sold like hotcakes yesterday: http://tinyurl.com/apo9j |
| 01:11.14 | mo1991 | no - I can - the thing is it works fine with 2.6 kernel |
| 01:11.20 | mo1991 | I"ll try disabling WEP |
| 01:11.29 | abrotman | Gnea: hehe |
| 01:11.34 | Gnea | :) |
| 01:11.35 | deadcat | mo1991: same driver eh? |
| 01:11.52 | Sonny | hi, how can I know the value an enviroment variable? |
| 01:12.07 | Gnea | Sonny: echo $VALUE |
| 01:12.09 | itrebal | "If you have a trolling motor this well help steer you around." wtf. |
| 01:12.10 | mo1991 | deadcat - no different driver as I had to compile the modules |
| 01:12.18 | deadcat | mo1991: ya. i mean same source |
| 01:12.18 | mo1991 | for each kernel seperatly |
| 01:12.32 | Gnea | itrebal: LMAO! |
| 01:12.38 | mo1991 | no, actuallly I did the 2.6 kernel a while ago |
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| 01:12.38 | mo1991 | so had older source |
| 01:12.59 | deadcat | mo1991: try using same madwifi source. i dont really use 2.4 anymore |
| 01:13.00 | mo1991 | for 2.4 I used the newest source and also tried the source in sid - both get the same result |
| 01:13.03 | Gnea | itrebal: side-humor - if you don't know, don't ask |
| 01:13.04 | mathias64 | Sonny: cat /proc/$$/environ |
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| 01:13.21 | itrebal | Gnea: i wasn't asking :) just saying 'wtf' to how dumb people seem |
| 01:13.41 | slocate | anybody doing lisp here? |
| 01:13.48 | deadcat | nope |
| 01:13.53 | JMTeal | anyone help with cron? |
| 01:13.54 | Gnea | !lisp |
| 01:13.54 | dpkg | well, lisp is Let's Include Some Parentheses or a LISt Processor or want to learn lisp? Go to http://www.elwoodcorp.com/alu/table/learn.htm or lithp or at http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/lisp.html, or loads of innovative semantic paradigms Let's Instinctively Slotski Parallel.. Lisp Is Super Powerful, or a speach impediment. Lisp beats the competition, read: http://www.paulgraham.com/paulgraham/avg.html. Lots of Insidious, Silly Parentheses |
| 01:13.56 | Sonny | now if I want to set a value to an enviroment variable? |
| 01:14.02 | deadcat | JMTeal: just ask |
| 01:14.11 | deadcat | Sonny: export BLAH=blah |
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| 01:14.15 | Gnea | Sonny: export VALUE="something" |
| 01:14.29 | lunaphyte | how do i make cron run what's in cron.d ? |
| 01:14.40 | deadcat | lunaphyte: you dont have to. it does it. |
| 01:14.43 | zebalin7 | Anyone had any major issues with the big etch upgrade over the weekend? |
| 01:14.47 | slocate | Gnea lol |
| 01:14.49 | Gnea | lunaphyte: put it in cron.d |
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| 01:15.01 | lunaphyte | deadcat: yes, thanks.. :) i'm trying to debug |
| 01:15.10 | mhall | hello |
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| 01:15.30 | mathias64 | zebalin7: what issues did you have? |
| 01:15.35 | slocate | Gnea just wanted to know cause i'm getting some errors running clisp |
| 01:16.00 | Sonny | I do: export JAVA_HOME=/usr/share/java/jre1.5.0_06 |
| 01:16.00 | Sonny | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.02 | zebalin7 | mathias64: I'm a coward. I haven't done it. Waiting to the bravehearts here to go first!!! |
| 01:16.14 | JMTeal | well apparently when i made some changes to some stuff cron was running for me it sent a mail automatically to root@gotdns.org (my dyndns host, which it must think is me) and i was wondering if there is a way to turn off this function because i got an email from a guy at gotdns.org asking me to PLEASE STOP sending the emails... |
| 01:16.16 | deadcat | Sonny: env|grep JAVA |
| 01:16.21 | Gnea | Sonny: forget the /proc/$$/environ bit, that's not correct |
| 01:16.23 | JMTeal | any help stopping this? |
| 01:16.50 | deadcat | JMTeal: you spamming? |
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| 01:16.59 | Gnea | JMTeal: what did you edit? a crontab or a /etc/cron.*/* entry? |
| 01:17.06 | mathias64 | jmteal: man 5 crontab and read about MAILTO |
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| 01:17.23 | mathias64 | rtf5mc... |
| 01:17.26 | romulo | how i can give user a permission to mount a usb drive? in case in /dev/sda |
| 01:17.34 | JMTeal | deadcat well not on purpose, but every minute i was sending root@gotdns.org a message that my script wasn't running... |
| 01:17.39 | dvs | romulo: use the "user" option |
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| 01:17.40 | mathias64 | romulo: a notarized letter is legal proof |
| 01:17.43 | Gnea | romulo: edit /etc/fstab |
| 01:17.44 | fudoreaper | romulo: user mount option |
| 01:17.45 | deadcat | JMTeal: oh girl |
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| 01:18.21 | JMTeal | gnea i deleted a script in order to update it, and check some other things, so while the script was out of place, cron freaked out. |
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| 01:18.29 | ootput | happy valentines |
| 01:18.33 | mathias64 | jmteal: like I said, man 5 crontab |
| 01:18.35 | Gnea | JMTeal: what script? |
| 01:18.39 | dvs | ootput: bah! |
| 01:18.45 | Gnea | ootput: worst day ever. STFU. |
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| 01:18.48 | ootput | humbug |
| 01:18.53 | ootput | Gnea: aren't you married? |
| 01:18.57 | Gnea | nope |
| 01:18.57 | mathias64 | or you could edit /etc/alises |
| 01:19.05 | litage | if pkgA depends on B, but B was compiled from source, how do you install pkgA? this fails dep checking rather than just warning: dpkg -i --ignore-depends=gaim-encryption gaim-encryption_2.38-1_i386.deb |
| 01:19.11 | JMTeal | GNEA nothing important... unless you think you can help me figure a better way to do what i'm doing... msg please |
| 01:19.16 | JMTeal | thx mathias |
| 01:19.21 | Gnea | ootput: i've always been shit on on v-day in the past, it's been nothing but shitty to me. |
| 01:19.27 | mathias64 | litage: compiled from source as a deb or compiled from source and installed in usr/local? |
| 01:19.42 | litage | mathias64: compiled and installed from source into /usr/local/ |
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| 01:20.00 | deadcat | ootput: i see you're showing off riot on your gallery (=... ugly fonts hahah |
| 01:20.17 | magyar | is there a way to tell the "file system" manager when a filesystem has a corupted supperblock due to improper shutdown to "auto fix" the file system? |
| 01:20.23 | mathias64 | litage: there used to be a system called fakedeps or something like that that would trick dpkg into thinking a dependency is fulfilled. You can do the same thing yourself if you know how to make .deb packages |
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| 01:20.41 | ootput | deadcat: :D |
| 01:20.41 | Sonny | I'm trying to run Mercury( who uses Java's Machine) but I receive that output: http://pastebin.com/553674 can somebody help me? |
| 01:20.44 | aalex | hi. How can I rotate my laptop screen? im on gnome most of the time |
| 01:20.47 | ootput | deadcat: they're beautiful |
| 01:20.47 | bbrazil | litage: equivs iirc |
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| 01:20.57 | ootput | deadcat: very legible |
| 01:21.11 | litage | mathias64: i was hoping to just pass some arg to apt-get or dpkg to ignore deps when installing the package...is that not possible |
| 01:21.14 | deadcat | (= |
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| 01:21.22 | ootput | oh, i guess i need to add a riot section to the homepage |
| 01:21.23 | deadcat | ootput: whats the rss app you use? |
| 01:21.33 | ootput | deadcat: raggle |
| 01:22.08 | deadcat | ootput: damn requires so much... snownews is what i WAS using. |
| 01:22.11 | mathias64 | litage: you need to resolve the dependancy once and for all, not force dpkg to ignore it |
| 01:22.32 | ootput | deadcat: yeah, i used snownews prior to raggle |
| 01:22.34 | aalex | deadcat : raggle is very good |
| 01:22.41 | deadcat | k lets install it then |
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| 01:22.41 | aalex | cli |
| 01:22.51 | litage | mathias64: ah |
| 01:22.53 | ootput | aalex: so is snownews, but raggle is much better |
| 01:22.54 | magyar | how can i autofix a filesystem that has a corupted supperblock due to improper shutdown? The system has no monitor nor keyboard attached. |
| 01:22.55 | litage | thanks guys |
| 01:22.57 | abrotman | hey ... how do i install suse on debian? |
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| 01:23.12 | ootput | magyar: you'd need to attach both |
| 01:23.14 | deadcat | aalex: via qemu maybe |
| 01:23.22 | abrotman | magyar: terminal! serial cable! |
| 01:23.24 | mhall | zebalin7: what's up? |
| 01:23.43 | abrotman | zebalin7: BEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:23.47 | magyar | abrotman, the server is in different part of the city |
| 01:23.58 | abrotman | magyar: need a very long cable :) |
| 01:24.01 | deadcat | raggle is CPU intensive |
| 01:24.08 | ootput | magyar: you'd need to be physically there |
| 01:24.09 | aalex | deadcat: oh, qmenu to rotate a screen? overkill, no? would be slower i guess |
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| 01:24.16 | aalex | deadcat: is it ? |
| 01:24.18 | ootput | magyar: or ask somebody to detach the disk and bring it to you |
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| 01:24.45 | deadcat | aalex: ya. ruby is using 53% of my cpu |
| 01:24.46 | ootput | deadcat: oh that's right, you're using a circa 90 pc |
| 01:24.47 | magyar | ootput, isnt there a setting that can respond "Yes" to fix blocks? |
| 01:25.05 | ootput | magyar: force? |
| 01:25.11 | deadcat | ootput: 800mhz |
| 01:25.13 | mathias64 | maygar: vi /etc/default/rcS |
| 01:25.17 | zebalin7 | abrotman: beep, beep. |
| 01:25.24 | zebalin7 | mhall: hey back at ya. |
| 01:25.45 | mathias64 | did you get that? |
| 01:25.56 | zebalin7 | Talking about 'beep' there is a beep-media player that has very good sound in case any is interested. |
| 01:26.02 | JoshH | i upgraded etch today and got xorg 6.9, and now i can no longer get both my mouse wheel and side buttons working on my mx700 mouse. i understand some changed were made in xorg 6.9, but various configs are not working for me. in .xinitrc i have xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 8 9 4 5 6 7 10 11", and in xorg.conf i have Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7", which i read was the proper thing to do from various mailing list posts. my scroll wheel i |
| 01:26.05 | ootput | deadcat: i guess you could disable color |
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| 01:26.13 | wwallace | hello |
| 01:26.17 | ootput | deadcat: and tell it not to update automatically |
| 01:26.21 | abrotman | what .. you didn't spam us with your specs |
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| 01:26.34 | deadcat | ootput: ah. maybe it was still updating. (= i removed it already heheh |
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| 01:26.37 | wwallace | how do i make the contents of an m3u create a dir with the actual songs the m3u refers to? |
| 01:26.56 | ootput | deadcat: yeah, it doesn't use a separate thread for updating (which is a shame.) |
| 01:27.00 | abrotman | what is a sample line from an m3u file ? |
| 01:27.06 | wwallace | hi abrotman |
| 01:27.08 | kspath | so long |
| 01:27.11 | mo1991 | deadcat- I now tried the exact same source for my madwifi - works in 2.6 and not 2.4 any oother ideas? |
| 01:27.21 | deadcat | ootput: i guess i will stick with my current method... browser (= |
| 01:27.36 | mathias64 | abrotman: a sample line is /etc/passwd. it's a list of filenames |
| 01:27.44 | deadcat | mo1991: sorry. out of. sicne i dont have madwifi. i helped a friend but he was using 2.6 |
| 01:28.03 | abrotman | wwallace: they are not relative .. |
| 01:28.03 | zebalin7 | bbl (beep) :-) |
| 01:28.03 | wwallace | abrotman: /media/hde1/moremp3's/FUN FUN - Happy station [ULTIMIX mix].mp3 |
| 01:28.25 | abrotman | wwallace: and you want your filesystem to be full of ugly spaces? |
| 01:28.27 | wwallace | but thers other paths within the m3u |
| 01:28.29 | deadcat | ootput: besides. most rss only tell you to go to the website for more detail. |
| 01:28.33 | wwallace | not just hde1 |
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| 01:28.46 | abrotman | wwallace: ok .. so .. elaborate more |
| 01:28.47 | wwallace | those are windows times files |
| 01:29.04 | mhall | X 6.9 is teh borked |
| 01:29.12 | abrotman | mine works! |
| 01:29.14 | ootput | deadcat: yeah. it's the same with raggle. I end up calling w3m for that |
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| 01:29.26 | wwallace | abrotman: no actually everything is scter around in hde1 |
| 01:29.40 | abrotman | mhall: i heard if you file bugs on xorg .. the maintainer will hunt you down and kill you with a spear |
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| 01:29.48 | abrotman | scter? |
| 01:29.51 | wwallace | scater |
| 01:29.54 | wwallace | im sorry |
| 01:29.57 | abrotman | scattered? :) |
| 01:30.00 | zinx | arbotman: mine works too! |
| 01:30.01 | wwallace | that |
| 01:30.02 | JohnCC | hi all, I'm setting up Debian on an older box I have here... I used the "network install CD", but got interupted (couldn't set up the NIC during installation, had to manually set it up afterwards). Is it possible for me to "continue" the installation now that I have the network up? What would be the best way to proceed at this point? |
| 01:30.09 | zinx | arbotman, even :x |
| 01:30.12 | zinx | GAH |
| 01:30.17 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:30.32 | wwallace | well? |
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| 01:30.39 | ootput | deadcat: i was in here last night trying to convince tarzeau to use the font |
| 01:30.44 | abrotman | wwallace: i'm confused what you want to do with that line |
| 01:30.53 | deadcat | ootput: that font? hahah |
| 01:30.57 | ootput | deadcat: it's a font that's used the world-over by professionals for proofreading. |
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| 01:31.18 | Jazbo | What's the simplest way to resolve an ip address (in a shell script)? |
| 01:31.22 | Daveman | font? |
| 01:31.26 | wwallace | i have 1234 lines abrotman every line is the path to a song i want the actual songs all in just 1 dir so i can burn them in a dvd |
| 01:31.27 | abrotman | nslookup .. dig .. host |
| 01:31.32 | Daveman | anything? |
| 01:31.34 | Daveman | :P |
| 01:31.36 | abrotman | wwallace: oh! |
| 01:31.39 | Daveman | abrotman: huhu |
| 01:31.53 | Daveman | wwallace ez |
| 01:32.02 | wwallace | ok how Daveman ? |
| 01:32.04 | abrotman | wwallace: all the same number of subdirs? |
| 01:32.08 | ootput | deadcat: hehe, and it's better for my eyes.. i think i'm going blind after using profont and the smaller proggy's for so long |
| 01:32.13 | Daveman | abrotman, who cares? |
| 01:32.21 | deadcat | ootput: thats true too (= |
| 01:32.24 | abrotman | Daveman: bob? |
| 01:32.26 | wwallace | sunno abrotman |
| 01:32.31 | wwallace | i dont know |
| 01:32.40 | Anthro | Has anyone gotten cpad-kernel-source to build against 2.6.15? It doesn't seem to work either with module-assistant or its own attempt to build on install. This doesn't seem to be an m-a or headers problem since I can build other modules with m-a. |
| 01:32.51 | abrotman | wwallace: awk should be able to do it |
| 01:33.12 | abrotman | wwallace: though it sounds like Daveman might have an idea hatching :) |
| 01:33.28 | wwallace | waiting for it.:) |
| 01:33.28 | ootput | brunch, bbl |
| 01:33.39 | abrotman | brunch .. i wish |
| 01:33.58 | abrotman | dpkg: make baseball start |
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| 01:34.25 | eyedol59 | hello to everyone! |
| 01:34.58 | Sonny | wich is the application to burn cds in debian? |
| 01:35.03 | abrotman | there are many |
| 01:35.05 | mhall | abrotman: well i talked to him personally before filing one |
| 01:35.15 | wwallace | abrotman: thanks for trying bye guys |
| 01:35.18 | dvs | Sonny: k3b |
| 01:35.22 | mhall | abrotman: and i've been fucking with the debugging trying to specifically find it |
| 01:35.25 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:35.30 | eyedol59 | I am trying to install debian sarge, can anybody give me a hand, please? |
| 01:35.31 | Sonny | dvs: does it work in gnome? |
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| 01:35.33 | abrotman | wwallace: if you use awk .. you shold be able to split |
| 01:35.35 | abrotman | bah . nevermind |
| 01:35.43 | abrotman | eyedol59: with? |
| 01:35.45 | mhall | abrotman: but it has not gone so hot yet due to incompetence |
| 01:35.47 | dvs | Sonny: Ah. You'll need the KDE library |
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| 01:35.50 | abrotman | Sonny: gnome-baker |
| 01:35.54 | doublehp_ | why wound Xorg not scan cards on second PCI chain ? it lists even non VGA cards in chain #0, and none on chain #1 ; I am suer chain #1 works since NIC is on it :P |
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| 01:36.17 | Sonny | which one is the best? |
| 01:36.20 | abrotman | Sonny: gnome-baker |
| 01:36.27 | eyedol59 | during the installation, debian does not recognize my LAN CARD |
| 01:36.27 | dvs | abrotman: not arson? |
| 01:36.30 | abrotman | Sonny: try it .. see if ti works for you |
| 01:36.32 | abrotman | dvs: for gnome ? |
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| 01:36.36 | zinx | doublehp_: maybe it stopped because it already found a video card? |
| 01:36.43 | zinx | doublehp_: try suppyling a BusID |
| 01:37.13 | eyedol59 | I have a K8N ASUS motherboard that has an integrated LAN CARD and that is the one I want to use |
| 01:37.33 | zinx | i have a KN8 :D |
| 01:37.40 | Breeder | what means the $$ in /proc/$$ ? current shell? |
| 01:37.43 | dvs | eye69: lspci | grep Eth |
| 01:37.56 | dvs | eyedol59: lspci | grep Eth |
| 01:38.14 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 01:38.14 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
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| 01:38.21 | eyedol59 | where do i need to type that, as installation parameters? |
| 01:38.30 | dvs | eyedol59: on the command line |
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| 01:38.47 | mathias64 | try perl -e 'print $$' |
| 01:38.51 | Sonny | ok |
| 01:38.55 | eyedol59 | but i did not install debian yet :9 |
| 01:39.01 | jmg | hi all |
| 01:39.05 | zinx | probably has a nvidia nic |
| 01:39.07 | doublehp_ | zinx: sure it did ... but I want multihead ... bus ID forcing does not help. I did xinerama on other mono PCI chain box no problem |
| 01:39.12 | jmg | does anyone know how i can create a virtual network interface? |
| 01:39.17 | zinx | eyedol59: you might try a newer installer |
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| 01:39.28 | deadcat | jmg: eth0:0 |
| 01:39.40 | jmg | deadcat: vif0 or tun0 |
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| 01:39.45 | jmg | or something ! eth0:x |
| 01:39.46 | deadcat | jmg: nevermind |
| 01:39.53 | zinx | doublehp_: maybe file a bug, then :/ |
| 01:40.05 | zinx | doublehp_: verify the card's there though, with lspci |
| 01:41.01 | litage | i created a package control file but equivs-build fails when using it. any suggestions?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ce6nmw88.html |
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| 01:41.27 | wwallace | re |
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| 01:41.44 | wwallace | does anyone know of a cd or dvd burning program that reads m3us? |
| 01:41.45 | doublehp_ | zinx: lspci gave me IDs ... problem is that I am not sure that card is supported by that arch ... but before that topic, if Xorg finds RAID card on bus 0, it should also find NIC on chain 1 ! |
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| 01:42.15 | eyedol59 | it is possible to download the forcedeth module from somewhere? |
| 01:42.16 | zinx | doublehp_: yeah, well, BusID should theoretically make it look there anyway |
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| 01:42.53 | doublehp_ | zinx: my question is about lspci reports every one, and NIC works ... so that xorg should see the NIC ... |
| 01:42.57 | dvs | eyedol59: it should be with the debian kernel |
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| 01:43.27 | Gnea | !nickometer a1337d00d |
| 01:43.28 | dpkg | 'a1337d00d' is 88.000% lame, gnea |
| 01:43.52 | abrotman | Gnea: i could have told you that :) |
| 01:44.01 | Gnea | hehe |
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| 01:44.23 | abrotman | wwallace is such an impatient person .. |
| 01:44.31 | abrotman | i wish he'd just stay in #kanotix :) |
| 01:44.35 | eyedol59 | could I look for that module in the Debian installation CDROM?. |
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| 01:44.45 | mathias64 | litage: it looks like your changelog isn't formatted right. I always use dpkg-buildpackage. http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html |
| 01:45.27 | litage | mathias64: i'm letting equiv-build use its default changelog... |
| 01:45.32 | litage | rather than writing my own |
| 01:45.41 | jerware | Rawplayer: y0 |
| 01:45.47 | jerware | Rawplayer: damn you're everywhere |
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| 01:46.30 | mathias64 | litage: are you supposed to have an empty changelog: line in the control file? I don't have the equivs-build docs, but they must say how to do it. |
| 01:46.34 | jerware | Rawplayer: im migrating from fedora to debian and kubuntu |
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| 01:47.01 | Moe_ | i am trying to automount in fstab ntfs drives that will be made available to ALL users how can I do this? |
| 01:47.26 | deadcat | Moe_: man 5 fstab |
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| 01:48.20 | dbe | is Debian GNU/Linux EAL (Evaluation Assurance Level) ceterfied, if so, which level? |
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| 01:48.44 | mathias64 | Moe_: man fstab ? |
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| 01:48.59 | litage | mathias64: i just removed all of the lines in the control file that were empty, but the same error occurs: http://rafb.net/paste/results/EZghlS51.html |
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| 01:49.32 | Gnea | dbe: is that a commercial level? |
| 01:49.53 | dbe | Gnea, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaluation_Assurance_Level |
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| 01:50.11 | Moe_ | i followed the fstab man but only mouts for root users |
| 01:50.21 | jmg | okay, found it |
| 01:50.26 | zinx | dbe: if you want to sponsor it, go for it |
| 01:50.34 | zinx | dbe: but no, it has no qualification |
| 01:50.38 | jmg | tunctl |
| 01:50.55 | kjs3 | Can you enable himem support without rebuilding the kernel. |
| 01:51.05 | mathias64 | litage: I still don't know. Try making a changelog by hand to use. |
| 01:51.31 | deadcat | kjs3: cant |
| 01:51.35 | dbe | zinx, hehe, yes, I rewrite the entire Debian project to EAL7, Solaris invested $500 and is at 4 afaik |
| 01:51.54 | kjs3 | deadcat: phuque...didn't thinks so. Thanks. |
| 01:51.57 | Gnea | dbe: i don't think so |
| 01:52.12 | dbe | Gnea, think what? |
| 01:52.14 | Gnea | dbe: are you rewriting it? |
| 01:52.16 | mathias64 | litage: you could use dpkg-deb -b and I think you will find fewer sanity checks. |
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| 01:52.25 | dbe | Gnea, no, it was a joke ffs |
| 01:52.25 | eyedol59 | does anybody has the K8N ASUS motherboard and is running debian 3.1r1 ? |
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| 01:52.33 | abrotman | dbe: sun only put out $500 ? |
| 01:52.35 | Gnea | LMAO |
| 01:52.39 | Gnea | dbe: nice one :) |
| 01:52.42 | dbe | abrotman, yes, dollars |
| 01:52.49 | abrotman | wow .. all $500 ... |
| 01:52.51 | dbe | abrotman, million |
| 01:52.56 | abrotman | sure sure |
| 01:53.06 | dbe | abrotman, what about it? |
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| 01:53.16 | jmg | i need to create two virtual nics and join them together so i can write an automated test for dhcp |
| 01:53.26 | jmg | so i created two tap interfaces |
| 01:53.31 | zinx | dbe: EAL sounds like a cruddy system, anyway, at least to me who knows nearly nothing about it ;) |
| 01:53.38 | abrotman | jmg: channel bonding ? |
| 01:53.39 | eyedol59 | does anybody has the K8N ASUS motherboard and is running debian 3.1r1 ? |
| 01:53.52 | jmg | but i dont know how to join other than using bridge |
| 01:53.57 | abrotman | zinx: don't you love your k8n ? |
| 01:54.05 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 01:54.05 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 01:54.20 | zinx | abrotman: my kn8? sure. it's abit, not asus :D |
| 01:54.24 | jmg | abrotman: not quite... a virtual switch |
| 01:54.31 | jmg | uml_switch isnt good enough |
| 01:55.26 | eyedol59 | does anybody has the K8N ASUS motherboard and is running debian 3.1r1 ? |
| 01:55.51 | GPLGeek | eyedol59, I installed one for my friend on that I think |
| 01:55.54 | GPLGeek | Not quite sure. |
| 01:56.17 | eyedol59 | which kernel did you load at the installation? |
| 01:57.03 | GPLGeek | we just used sarge default I think it was 12.6.8 on install and then upgraded to 12.6.15 |
| 01:57.17 | mathias64 | eyedol: you should be able to look up info on the amd64 list archives. or at http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/27/mainboards.html |
| 01:57.22 | konfuzed | wha |
| 01:57.28 | mathias64 | what the hell is 12.6.15? |
| 01:57.40 | dvs | mathias64: something from the future. |
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| 01:57.50 | mathias64 | i want, i want |
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| 01:59.13 | GPLGeek | atest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.15.4 |
| 01:59.13 | litage | mathias64: i think it didn't like the underscores in the name =P |
| 01:59.28 | GPLGeek | latest even |
| 02:00.23 | GPLGeek | so I typoed |
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| 02:03.32 | quitte_ | hi. im looking for something like mythtv to easily play mp3s dvds and things like that and watch tv. but without recording it. any ideas? |
| 02:04.01 | doublehp_ | zinx: I confirm that swapping the cards ... matrox and NV work fine on chain 0, and still nothing detected on chain 1 ... I report later on |
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| 02:05.09 | xored | guys, i can connect through my wpa_supplicant on kernel ..12 with my current ipw2200 drivers, but i cannot do it under 15er.. i updated wpa to 0.5 right now, didnt helped. It seems in the logs, he cannot encrpyt the key, some help ?a |
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| 02:05.46 | abrotman | quitte_: xine? vlc? totem? mplayer? |
| 02:05.55 | abrotman | duno about tv |
| 02:05.56 | UziMaster | does debian has a dyndns updater? |
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| 02:06.30 | chealer9 | UziMaster: yes |
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| 02:06.51 | abrotman | apt-cache search dyndns |
| 02:07.08 | jugglinx | quitte, tvtime... but im not sure that s a dvd player also, i don t think so.. |
| 02:07.23 | UziMaster | i found ez-ipupdate |
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| 02:07.38 | UziMaster | but dont know if it can work with www.dyndns.org |
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| 02:08.36 | abrotman | !info ddns sarge |
| 02:09.08 | abrotman | !info ddclient sarge |
| 02:09.11 | dpkg | ddclient: (Update dynamic IP address at DynDNS.org), section net, is extra. Version: 3.6.2-3.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 151 kB |
| 02:09.16 | abrotman | UziMaster: ^^ |
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| 02:09.43 | quitte_ | what i love about mythtv is it'S frontend and that you can fully use it through menus that can be used with lirc. i doubt any of the suggested alternatives do that in a comparable way |
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| 02:10.53 | mathias64 | somebody tell me how the new linux kernel versioning system works |
| 02:10.55 | UziMaster | abrotman: haha, nice bot :D |
| 02:11.04 | abrotman | mathias64: it doesn't |
| 02:11.10 | abrotman | UziMaster: i'm not a bot |
| 02:11.18 | nulltank | quitte_: what do you use for your TV out with MythTV? I've had no success with two different (older) nVidia cards |
| 02:11.26 | UziMaster | abrotman: i meant that "dpkg" :D |
| 02:11.28 | dvs | abrotman: how true |
| 02:11.41 | Readon | does fsck suitable for ext3 and reserfs file system? |
| 02:11.41 | abrotman | !universal gravitational constant |
| 02:11.41 | dpkg | well, universal gravitational constant is 6.67259E-11 |
| 02:11.50 | quitte_ | nulltank: a 21" crt monitor ;) |
| 02:12.02 | abrotman | mathias64: do you really want me to find it ? |
| 02:12.20 | litage | gaim-encryption depends on gaim and gaim-data. i created fake gaim and gaim-data packages so that i can install gaim-encryption, but apt wants to upgrade gaim and gaim-data. how can i prevent this? |
| 02:12.22 | UziMaster | !universal blonde tall sexy girl |
| 02:12.25 | dvs | dpkg knows that!?! |
| 02:12.31 | nulltank | quitte_: well, that would work with my card, just not my setup ;) |
| 02:12.34 | UziMaster | dont know, just try :D |
| 02:12.52 | abrotman | mathias64: it's basically .. "we'll throw in whatever we want .. and your distro will stabilize it" |
| 02:12.58 | UziMaster | seems like dpkg dont know anything 'bout chicks |
| 02:13.06 | abrotman | !tell litage about equivs |
| 02:13.09 | nulltank | quitte_: i'm actually thinking about buying a VGA to S-Video interface so I don't have to deal with it |
| 02:13.29 | quitte_ | nulltank: what was the problem with the nvidias? they are usually quite easy to make work on a tv |
| 02:13.36 | mathias64 | i have found various things, but I can't find a short understandle up to date thing. it use to be 2.2.X was stable, 2.3.X was unstable, but I thought with 2.6 they decided that unstable and stable alternate with the third number so 2.6.8 is stable and 2.6.9 is unstable, but apparantely I was wrong |
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| 02:14.15 | mathias64 | sorry, i can't type |
| 02:14.16 | dvs | mathias64: no, 2.6 is all considered stable. 2.6.x.y is bug fixes only. |
| 02:14.23 | Readon | does fsck suitable for ext3 and reserfs file system? |
| 02:14.25 | quitte_ | nulltank: especially if you connect the nvidia to tv only it isn't a problem |
| 02:14.30 | abrotman | mathias64: http://kerneltrap.org/node/4100 .. but there's a far more in depth explaintaion somewhere |
| 02:14.45 | Readon | is fsck suitable for ext3 and reserfs file system? |
| 02:14.52 | abrotman | mathias64: http://kerneltrap.org/node/4800 |
| 02:14.54 | litage | thanks abrotman, but i've already used equivs to create the fake gaim and gaim-data packages, and the docs don't mention upgrades |
| 02:15.01 | zinx | Readon: reiserfs? fsck? HAHAAHAHAHA |
| 02:15.05 | quitte_ | has someone tried freevo? if it did live tv without timeshift it might be exactly what im looking for |
| 02:15.05 | mathias64 | i already had 4800 but it is far from crystal clear |
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| 02:15.08 | abrotman | mathias64: in general .. http://www.google.com/custom?domains=kerneltrap.org&q=2.6.x.y&sa=Search&client=pub-0170664634264979&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AEFEFEF%3BLBGC%3AEFEFEF%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BLH%3A50%3BLW%3A220%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fkerneltrap.org%2Fthemes%2Fkt%2Fimages%2Flogo.png%3BS%3Ah |
| 02:15.08 | abrotman | ttp%3A%2F%2Fkerneltrap.org%2F%3BFORID%3A1%3B&sitesearch=kerneltrap.org&hl=en .. |
| 02:15.11 | nulltank | quitte_: i was able to get an older nvidia driver to work over a year ago (v4496), but i haven't been able to get any drivers after that to work -- always a scrambled signal |
| 02:15.12 | abrotman | holy crap! |
| 02:15.13 | ootput | wow, url |
| 02:15.25 | Readon | zinx, what's the matter? |
| 02:15.26 | abrotman | mathias64: ignore that url! |
| 02:15.27 | quitte_ | nulltank: weird. how old is that card? |
| 02:15.35 | nulltank | quitte_: and i've tried a lot of options (including tv only) |
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| 02:15.43 | Readon | zinx,ok just for ext3 |
| 02:15.49 | quitte_ | nulltank: i have a geforce2. works perfectly well. and they are cheap. get one of those |
| 02:15.49 | nulltank | quitte_: MX400 i think -- pretty old |
| 02:15.56 | zinx | Readon: it won't break either, if that's what you mean |
| 02:16.05 | zinx | Readon: of course, it won't help reiserfs any :D |
| 02:16.06 | nulltank | quitte_: i don't have any newer ones that have tv out on them |
| 02:16.07 | abrotman | http://kerneltrap.org/node/5040 |
| 02:16.14 | quitte_ | nulltank: that is a gf2. im sure it works |
| 02:16.21 | bossx | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=35252 |
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| 02:16.36 | zinx | erh |
| 02:16.40 | zinx | 4496 is ancient |
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| 02:16.57 | zinx | nulltank: use 1.0.7174, which is in debian as nvidia-glx-legacy |
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| 02:17.05 | Gregorovius | could anyone give me any pointers? after a power failure my ext3 partition got corrupted and is listed as invalid, and now I can't boot nor access any files there |
| 02:17.06 | nulltank | quitte_: humm, do you have any pointers to config it correctly? i've tried for days on end |
| 02:17.10 | zinx | nulltank: though things may be different in stable |
| 02:17.20 | Readon | zinx, thanks |
| 02:17.27 | quitte_ | nulltank: i'd help you now if you have the time |
| 02:17.37 | nulltank | zinx, quitte_: 7667 was the last one i tried |
| 02:17.50 | quitte_ | nulltank: but i agree with zinx. use etch. |
| 02:17.50 | zinx | nulltank: 7667 only works with gf2mx and up (i.e., not gf2) |
| 02:18.19 | zinx | nulltank: 7174's the last driver to work with the gf2 and below, afaik |
| 02:18.33 | nulltank | quitte_: thanks for the offer, but i've got to run soon |
| 02:18.47 | quitte_ | whatever is latest in etch works perfectly well with my gf2mx400 twinview |
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| 02:19.10 | craig_ | okay.. gnome and kde are nice-- but they appear to take up about 600MB of disk each.... twm and icewm are small, but a bit minimalistic for my taste. anybody know of a window manager somplace in between? |
| 02:19.12 | nulltank | zinx: thanks, i'll make sure i use 7174 then -- i usually just use the nvidia installer |
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| 02:19.43 | quitte_ | nulltank: get the nvidia packages from etch. that should do the trick |
| 02:20.00 | dvs | craig_: people like xfce |
| 02:20.06 | ice_1963 | windowmaker |
| 02:20.08 | craig_ | thanks, dvs |
| 02:20.13 | dren | craig_: check out http://www.xwinman.org |
| 02:20.13 | quitte_ | nulltank: and i'd first setup x to work on a crt - then put it to tv only and login via ssh |
| 02:20.18 | nulltank | quitte_: ok, i'll try that; i'm just running stable now, should i change my sources to etch (by name)? |
| 02:20.23 | chealer | etch's nvidia packages are currently impossible to install concurently with xserver-xorg |
| 02:20.45 | craig_ | thanks, lots of good ideas |
| 02:20.46 | quitte_ | nulltank: i'd do that anyways for a multimedia box. so ye - switch to etch |
| 02:20.46 | chealer | craig_: gnome and kde aren't window manager |
| 02:20.47 | nulltank | quitte_: OK, i'll do that also |
| 02:21.00 | craig_ | chealer.. what are they? |
| 02:21.04 | ice_1963 | use sid for nvidia-glx |
| 02:21.07 | chealer | !kde |
| 02:21.07 | dpkg | somebody said kde was a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 02:21.08 | dren | desktops |
| 02:21.18 | craig_ | hrm |
| 02:21.23 | quitte_ | nulltank: ive seen geforces even do text mode on tv hen no crt was connected |
| 02:21.24 | deadcat | desktop is the ones with icons on the desktop right? |
| 02:21.29 | disposable | !gnome |
| 02:21.29 | dpkg | from memory, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the worst, most restrictive pile of horse dung on the face of the planet. |
| 02:22.23 | disposable | dpkg: that's not fair you stupid bot |
| 02:22.28 | Azar | why is fail2ban listed at Debian for "unstable" ? isn't there a package for stable? |
| 02:22.38 | deadcat | no |
| 02:22.39 | dondelelcaro | Azar: there isn't. |
| 02:22.44 | deadcat | its recently new |
| 02:22.46 | mathias64 | abrotman: now I agree with your original assessment of the numbering system. |
| 02:22.48 | dondelelcaro | Azar: I've got backports of it, which are fairly triival |
| 02:22.51 | nulltank | quitte_: actually, now that you mention, the text mode works, just not X |
| 02:22.52 | Azar | awww no wonder it did not worked last I tried |
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| 02:23.09 | quitte_ | nulltank: then you just have to put in modelines a tv can accept. |
| 02:23.22 | nulltank | quitte_: but X worked on the older drivers |
| 02:23.26 | deadcat | Azar: the name already sound bad. "fail to ban".. thats liek fail to work right? |
| 02:23.28 | Azar | dondelecaro I am not quite able to tweak backports |
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| 02:23.46 | abrotman | mathias64: it's pretty freaking stupid .. but whatever :) |
| 02:23.51 | Azar | deadcat it cuts down the clutter in auth.log |
| 02:24.01 | nulltank | quitte_: i've tried all sorts of them from mythtv users |
| 02:24.27 | quitte_ | nulltank: it's duable. dont give up. and you may contact me when im around and you got time. |
| 02:24.31 | quitte_ | err doable |
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| 02:24.48 | Azar | I guess I should just uninstall ssh I never use it really |
| 02:24.51 | nulltank | quitte_: ok, i will; you've given me hope; i |
| 02:25.02 | dondelelcaro | !depends failtoban |
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| 02:25.07 | dondelelcaro | !+depends fail2ban |
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| 02:25.10 | dpkg | fail2ban: depends on python, iptables |
| 02:25.23 | dondelelcaro | Azar: actually, you can just wget and install the unstable version directly. |
| 02:25.28 | nulltank | quitte_: i've spent so many hours tring to get mythtv working (and had it working briefly) that it would be a shame if i never got it up |
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| 02:26.09 | Azar | dondelecaro, three months ago when I tried it, it never actually did its job: did not follow the 3 try rule |
| 02:26.18 | quitte_ | nulltank: same here. for myself it'll work pretty good as i have dvb. but my friend i started this for doesn't :( i hope freevo works for him |
| 02:26.26 | Azar | ... meaning logs kept piling up with junk |
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| 02:26.44 | Azar | ok I will read the manual |
| 02:26.45 | nulltank | quitte_: dvb? |
| 02:27.15 | nulltank | quitte_: opps, gott run, thanks again |
| 02:27.36 | quitte_ | nulltank: digital video broadcast. mpeg2 encoded by the stations |
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| 02:28.04 | disposable | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.43 | quitte_ | libcurl.so.2.0.0 or whatever is there |
| 02:28.58 | litage | if you've compiled and installed some software from source, how do you remove everything that was installed? |
| 02:29.17 | fangor | you should be able to find everything in the make file |
| 02:29.27 | itrebal | make install, even |
| 02:29.29 | Azar | dondelelcaro: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/342#comment_12 |
| 02:29.31 | itrebal | er... thats in make |
| 02:29.32 | fangor | under the install option |
| 02:29.35 | itrebal | sorry - lloonngg day |
| 02:29.48 | Azar | I assume I have python, I am sure I have iptables but not active though |
| 02:29.53 | fangor | heh, tell me about it |
| 02:30.01 | disposable | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:30.44 | fangor | that doesnt sound like a symbolic link. that sounds like a library. i dunno, though. |
| 02:31.04 | TXmaw | hey does anyone know a good program for running rmvb files? |
| 02:31.09 | quitte_ | disposable: to EXACTLY the libcurl that is there! |
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| 02:31.35 | disposable | quitte_: i've got 6 libcurls there :) |
| 02:31.43 | evilbulgarian | hi, wondering if there is a file in a users profile that shows when he has logged in and out of the computer? trying to track a user this is using sama as pdc |
| 02:31.55 | zach | guys what j2sdk should i get from blackdown? |
| 02:32.01 | zach | for i386 |
| 02:32.01 | Acid`X | evilbulgarian: lastlog |
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| 02:32.13 | evilbulgarian | Acid`X: thanks |
| 02:32.19 | quitte_ | disposable: only one of them is a so that is not a link |
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| 02:32.40 | mathias64 | evilbulgarian: man wtmp |
| 02:32.43 | evilbulgarian | Acid`X: is that the exact name |
| 02:32.45 | mathias64 | The wtmp file records all logins and logouts. |
| 02:32.47 | disposable | zach: i can send you a sun 1.5 sdk .deb through irc if you want |
| 02:32.59 | Acid`X | evilbulgarian: thats a application |
| 02:32.59 | stevehalasz | Hi. I'm using testing - 2.6.12-1-k7. Since apt update on Feb 11 I've had a number of problems. evolution/spamassassin does not filter spam. gringotts does not accept my password. anyone had similar troubles? |
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| 02:33.08 | zach | disposable how big is the file? |
| 02:33.12 | fangor | i'm trying to get sound working on my debian system. i have the onboard sound that comes with the an8 motherboard, and all i know is that kde is giving me a message that says "device /dev/dsp cannot be opened (no such device) continuing using the null output device |
| 02:33.19 | disposable | zach: 63mb |
| 02:33.20 | TXmaw | about 700 megs |
| 02:33.27 | Acid`X | evilbulgarian: apt it |
| 02:33.35 | mathias64 | disposable: can I send you my credit card number in return? want info on my real estate for sale? |
| 02:33.42 | zach | disposable, you don't have a url? |
| 02:33.43 | Nopalin | whats is the better p2p client tha doesn't use bittorrent ro emule protocol? |
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| 02:34.04 | disposable | zach: i'm not bothered to upload it. |
| 02:34.06 | evilbulgarian | Acid`X: cant find it |
| 02:34.17 | Acid`X | evilbulgarian: yeah, just saw :/ |
| 02:34.19 | mathias64 | Nopalin: there's ftp, dcc, and usenet |
| 02:34.28 | zach | disposable, send away if you wish :) |
| 02:34.37 | evilbulgarian | Acid`X: apt-get install lastlog says doesnt exist |
| 02:34.38 | fangor | Nopalin: err, i dunno...soulseek? better than fasttrack ever since it got invaded by the porn kings |
| 02:34.42 | Nopalin | mathias64: sorry |
| 02:34.48 | disposable | zach: sending away |
| 02:34.53 | Acid`X | evilbulgarian: yeah, im checking :/ |
| 02:35.01 | zach | waiting for it to start :o |
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| 02:35.50 | zach | disposable, don't think its working |
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| 02:36.38 | fangor | what's the command to read the info off the pci bus? |
| 02:36.44 | disposable | zach: neither do i. sorry. it worked with other people, you might want to check your setting. but don't ask me how |
| 02:37.00 | fangor | like, the devices connected to it? i know it exists, i just keep forgetting it.. |
| 02:37.00 | Azar | damn I am afraid I can block myself.. |
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| 02:37.54 | zach | try again, i changed the dir |
| 02:37.55 | jetscreamer | cat /proc/pci or lspci -vv maybe |
| 02:38.53 | disposable | zach: i'm sending again. any luck this time? |
| 02:39.05 | zach | disposable status says Connect |
| 02:39.31 | disposable | zach: whatever that means |
| 02:39.42 | zach | :p |
| 02:40.10 | disposable | if you've got large enough mailbox, i can send it in email |
| 02:40.31 | zach | 1sec |
| 02:40.33 | UziMaster | !info links2 |
| 02:40.38 | dpkg | links2: (Web browser running in both graphics and text mode), section net, is optional. Version: 2.1pre20-3 (sid), Packaged size: 2003 kB, Installed size: 3192 kB |
| 02:40.46 | disposable | zach: it will take about an hour though |
| 02:40.47 | Acid`X | evilbulgarian: try tail |
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| 02:41.12 | rpmx | hi |
| 02:41.14 | evilbulgarian | Acid`X: i have the lastlog bin but doesnt show me what i need |
| 02:41.17 | fangor | is there an easy way to figure out exactly which modules/drivers are in use on my system? |
| 02:41.24 | k-man_ | is there a particular brand of ups that plays nice with linux? |
| 02:41.26 | rpmx | recent I delete directory /bin |
| 02:41.45 | k-man_ | or a particular brand of ups I should look at buying? |
| 02:41.55 | UziMaster | Damn, i love debian's apt-get so much! |
| 02:41.56 | Acid`X | evilbulgarian: what do you want to do? |
| 02:41.58 | zach | disposable, don't worry about it then, thanks for the help |
| 02:42.18 | stevehalasz | fangor: lsmod |
| 02:42.24 | evilbulgarian | Acid`X: i have users logging into a samba PDC and want to check a specific users login times and dates |
| 02:42.26 | dbe | is there some word/abbrevation for non-free/closed source? |
| 02:42.28 | disposable | zach: have fun doing downloading then :) |
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| 02:43.00 | zach | doubt i will |
| 02:43.01 | Acid`X | evilbulgarian: configure samba to make logs then |
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| 02:43.37 | evilbulgarian | Acid`X: yeah now i will start but was wondering if maby there is something else like a file in the windows roaming profile? |
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| 02:44.16 | [Kasparov] | There is a program like MS Windows Paint for Linux? |
| 02:44.32 | UziMaster | does links2 support ssl? |
| 02:44.46 | fangor | uzimaster: yes |
| 02:44.54 | dudu_2004 | Hi! somebody know why the installation process of debian hangs at the IDE Detection Phase at 91%. with a message below the bar loadind SCSI... |
| 02:45.00 | Gnea | !+info links-ssl |
| 02:45.00 | [Kasparov] | xpaint e gpaint dont is good |
| 02:45.02 | UziMaster | no :D i just ran it and it does not support |
| 02:45.05 | gravity_ | [Kasparov]: tuxpaint |
| 02:45.07 | rpmx | How I can to recover my directory , I tried scp for ssh but syslog said not exist /bin/bash |
| 02:45.08 | dpkg | links-ssl: (Dummy package for transition to elinks), section oldlibs, is extra. Version: 0.99+1.00pre12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
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| 02:45.25 | UziMaster | Holy smoke, do i have to isntall that links-ssl? |
| 02:45.32 | Gnea | yes |
| 02:45.46 | UziMaster | gonna do it now |
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| 02:46.09 | Gnea | don't let your fingers fall off in the meantime |
| 02:46.16 | abrotman | 5 days til pitchers/catchers report! |
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| 02:47.03 | zach | whats the command to add a user to sudoers file? |
| 02:47.13 | deadcat | abrotman: spring training? |
| 02:47.17 | abrotman | damn right! |
| 02:47.20 | deadcat | damn |
| 02:47.29 | hatake_kakashi | zach: man sudoers |
| 02:47.34 | abrotman | depends on the team .. but i only care about one! :) |
| 02:47.35 | zach | thx |
| 02:47.52 | deadcat | abrotman: i know we gonna suck this year already )= |
| 02:48.14 | hatake_kakashi | anyone know how to make an offline apt-get upgrade? (eg. relying the stuff on local repository rather than grabbing it online) |
| 02:48.19 | dudu_2004 | Hi! somebody know why the installation process of debian hangs at the IDE Detection Phase at 91%. with a message below the bar loadind SCSI... |
| 02:48.20 | Acid`X | evilbulgarian: im not sure, but i think snort have something with sbm |
| 02:48.27 | deadcat | hatake_kakashi: apt-get upgrade |
| 02:48.38 | evilbulgarian | Acid`X: ok thanks |
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| 02:49.07 | abrotman | deadcat: we who? |
| 02:49.08 | fangor | to extract a tar.bz2 file, it's tar -jxvf file , right? |
| 02:49.18 | abrotman | deadcat: aren't you in CA ? |
| 02:49.20 | deadcat | abrotman: sf giants. i am still angry at the 49ers... |
| 02:49.24 | hatake_kakashi | deadcat: I don't mean that, I mean like if I grab the index file for those /var/cache/apt/archives and grab the files inside that folder, is that all the files that I need? |
| 02:49.36 | abrotman | deadcat: just wondering .. since there are like 6 baseball teams in CA :) |
| 02:49.56 | deadcat | hatake_kakashi: /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 02:49.58 | abrotman | erm 5 |
| 02:50.08 | deadcat | abrotman: hahah. true. i guess CA is rich |
| 02:50.44 | fangor | wow....sid doesnt come with bzip2??? |
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| 02:50.52 | abrotman | sure it should |
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| 02:50.57 | abrotman | !info bzip2 sid |
| 02:50.58 | deadcat | fangor: it has. but doesnt come with |
| 02:50.59 | dpkg | bzip2: (high-quality block-sorting file compressor - utilities), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 259 kB, Installed size: 492 kB |
| 02:51.17 | fangor | it didnt....i'm pretty sure i didnt deinstall it |
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| 02:51.28 | deadcat | fangor: it doesnt. you install it yourself. |
| 02:51.30 | abrotman | you have to install it |
| 02:51.44 | fangor | hm. wierd. |
| 02:51.46 | fangor | ls |
| 02:51.49 | abrotman | no |
| 02:51.50 | fangor | heh...sorry |
| 02:52.04 | hatake_kakashi | deadcat: hmm.. it doesn't seem like I have those.. but will the files (pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin) be enough along with those deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 02:52.16 | disposable | i've just updated and upgraded my Etch and everything GL accelerated suddenly sucks. i've nvidia card. anyone experiencing something similar? |
| 02:52.22 | hatake_kakashi | I mean for offline update, install? |
| 02:52.41 | deadcat | hatake_kakashi: you need the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ and /var/cache/apt/archives/ if you want to do it locally |
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| 02:53.09 | rpmx | can I restore directory /bin ??? |
| 02:53.13 | abrotman | disposable: reinstall your driver |
| 02:53.18 | abrotman | !tell disposable about nvidia one-liner |
| 02:54.05 | fangor | !tell me about nvidia one-liner |
| 02:54.11 | disposable | abrotman: how to i "see non-free sources"? |
| 02:54.18 | abrotman | !tell disposable about non-free |
| 02:54.23 | abrotman | !tell disposable about non-free sources |
| 02:54.26 | abrotman | whatever it is |
| 02:54.35 | UziMaster | !info dav |
| 02:54.37 | deadcat | rpmx: reinstall core-utils maybe |
| 02:54.50 | hatake_kakashi | deadcat: ahh ok, but under /var/lib/apt/lists/ there is nothing pointing to local file.. should that be ok? |
| 02:55.25 | deadcat | hatake_kakashi: ya. as long as you have the repo package database |
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| 02:55.47 | hatake_kakashi | deadcat: hmm, ok, thanks a bunch |
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| 02:56.00 | disposable | abrotman: thanx |
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| 02:56.13 | douglas | what port does vnc use? |
| 02:56.23 | deadcat | douglas: run vnc then take a look |
| 02:56.28 | abrotman | you can configure it |
| 02:56.30 | douglas | ahh yes |
| 02:56.36 | abrotman | i believe 5800 and 5900 by default |
| 02:56.45 | douglas | sounds right, thanks |
| 02:56.47 | hatake_kakashi | douglas: use lsof if you don't know what port it uses |
| 02:56.56 | rpmx | deadcat, E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt |
| 02:57.06 | deadcat | rpmx: sounds fucked |
| 02:57.16 | UziMaster | !info mod_dav sarge |
| 02:57.54 | deadcat | abrotman: you watch 24 the tv series? since you're east coast. what happend? (= |
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| 02:58.16 | UziMaster | hey bot, find it! |
| 02:58.25 | UziMaster | !info mod_dav |
| 02:58.27 | abrotman | deadcat: people died |
| 02:58.30 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 02:58.48 | UziMaster | does bot have break? |
| 02:59.00 | deadcat | UziMaster: stop asking stupid question. |
| 02:59.09 | UziMaster | ^^ |
| 02:59.27 | Jake | time to setup a mail-server on my sparklin new sarge box. im thinking qmail .. any thoughts/comments on if i should go via source or not???? and/or anything else |
| 02:59.28 | rpmx | deadcat, live cd gentoo and copy bin maybe ? |
| 02:59.30 | UziMaster | !info links |
| 02:59.35 | dpkg | links: (Character mode WWW browser), section web, is optional. Version: 0.99+1.00pre12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 375 kB, Installed size: 936 kB |
| 02:59.35 | stevehalasz | spamassassin func in evolution has been moved to a plugin. aptitude install evolution-plugins, edit->plugins and enable has solved that problem. gpg sig validation still doesn't work... |
| 02:59.52 | abrotman | Jake: postfix |
| 02:59.52 | deadcat | rpmx: why not live cd ubuntu and copy them. since they are closer to each other than gentoo |
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| 03:00.00 | Jake | abrotman, can it do virtual domains? |
| 03:00.06 | abrotman | sure |
| 03:00.22 | abrotman | Jake: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html |
| 03:00.29 | rpmx | deadcat, ok thank |
| 03:00.38 | deadcat | rpmx: or you can debootstrap another debian in a chroot and copy them that way (= |
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| 03:02.03 | VapourBoy | how can I create a Debian menu in the gnome panel |
| 03:02.06 | VapourBoy | ? |
| 03:02.12 | deadcat | VapourBoy: menu |
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| 03:02.46 | VapourBoy | I mean as a user, in an xsesion |
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| 03:03.01 | abrotman | there should already be one |
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| 03:03.06 | abrotman | menu-xsdg |
| 03:03.18 | kspath | ah back to sarge-stable NICE |
| 03:03.30 | VapourBoy | their isn't just the gnome ones and I can't manually add one through the menu |
| 03:03.39 | abrotman | !menu |
| 03:03.39 | dpkg | [menu] the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 03:03.46 | abrotman | kspath: loser! |
| 03:03.56 | abrotman | kspath: quitter! |
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| 03:05.14 | abrotman | !distract kspath |
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| 03:05.45 | jugglinx | hehehe |
| 03:05.54 | NOthsouth | what package I need install for apt-setup? |
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| 03:06.08 | mamamia | good night |
| 03:06.09 | emesa | what video format is officially supported by debian? in other words, what video format should I encode in if I want to use non-free only? |
| 03:06.12 | emesa | I mean |
| 03:06.13 | emesa | free only |
| 03:06.33 | abrotman | NOthsouth: base-config |
| 03:06.35 | abrotman | i think |
| 03:06.39 | EvilSporkMan | emesa: theora? |
| 03:06.40 | abrotman | !find bin/apt-setup sid |
| 03:06.54 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/apt-setup' returned no results. |
| 03:07.04 | NOthsouth | abrotman, lets see |
| 03:07.05 | abrotman | NOthsouth: or none |
| 03:07.16 | abrotman | wtf is the replacement for apt-setup ? |
| 03:07.24 | NOthsouth | abrotman, yes, you are right |
| 03:08.03 | abrotman | Facsimile received from 999-999-9999 ... better than 666-666-6666 i suppose |
| 03:08.09 | mamamia | someone knows where i configure the keybord on debian |
| 03:08.18 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 03:08.19 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 03:08.29 | NoAgendas | Anyone know if Debian 3.1 is compatible with Dell's PowerEdge 850 (rackmount)? The data center is constantly having trouble installing Debian on these servers I have. The tech said this for example " currently have it installed but am battling a kernel panic during boot". What do you recommend? There is no RAID or SCSI being used on these 850's. |
| 03:08.47 | abrotman | is it sata? |
| 03:08.53 | NoAgendas | Yes :) |
| 03:08.54 | abrotman | did the tech try both kernels ? |
| 03:08.59 | abrotman | what sata controller ? |
| 03:09.07 | NoAgendas | I'm not sure, I'm sure he did anyway. Very smart tech |
| 03:09.10 | Daveman | heh |
| 03:09.17 | abrotman | NoAgendas: don't assume |
| 03:09.18 | mamamia | abrotman very thanks |
| 03:09.20 | NoAgendas | What do you mean? I'm not 100% sure on which one to be honest. Let me check |
| 03:09.33 | abrotman | NoAgendas: there are two kernels .. the installer boots a 2.4 by default |
| 03:10.01 | NoAgendas | I'm looking at my invoice from Dell |
| 03:10.16 | NoAgendas | What type of controllers are there for sata that I should be looking for? So much text in front of me |
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| 03:10.39 | dudu_2004 | How to boot the installer at 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:10.40 | NoAgendas | "80GB, SATA, 1 inch, 7.2K RPM Hard Drive for PowerEdge" |
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| 03:11.05 | abrotman | dudu_2004: linux26 |
| 03:11.17 | abrotman | NoAgendas: that doesn't tell me what controller |
| 03:11.32 | NoAgendas | the invoice doesn't mention the controller |
| 03:11.42 | NoAgendas | the default shown on Dell's site for the 850's with celeron /pentiums should be it. |
| 03:11.45 | NoAgendas | Let me grab the link |
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| 03:11.54 | NoAgendas | i ordered the basic after all |
| 03:12.17 | shogunx | the invoice doesn't mention the controller becuase itslaready onboard, so they can't really bill you sepeately for it. |
| 03:12.27 | NoAgendas | makes sense |
| 03:12.53 | NoAgendas | here you go |
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| 03:12.54 | NoAgendas | "Onboard SATA, 1 Hard Drive Connected to Onboard SATA Controller" |
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| 03:13.08 | abrotman | still not helping :) |
| 03:13.12 | abrotman | !dell |
| 03:13.12 | NoAgendas | lol |
| 03:13.12 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap, or http://www.domsch.com/linux/ |
| 03:13.16 | Gregorovius | good evening, I'm having a hard time figuring something out: after a power failure my ext3 filesystem got corrupted and I can't boot (even grub is borked) and I have no idea what can I do |
| 03:13.34 | Gregorovius | google searches aren't helping either =/ |
| 03:13.51 | NoAgendas | I think there is no controller other than what I showed you |
| 03:13.56 | zinx | Gregorovius: how's grub broken? |
| 03:14.07 | abrotman | Gregorovius: your controller could be shot |
| 03:14.09 | NoAgendas | This must be it what I just gave you: Onboard SATA, 1 Hard Drive Connected to Onboard SATA Controller |
| 03:14.15 | NoAgendas | look here.. http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=pe850sapp&s=bsd |
| 03:14.18 | Gregorovius | "Error 17" says |
| 03:14.21 | NoAgendas | I am not using raid nor scsi |
| 03:14.24 | shogunx | NoAgendas we need to know who made that controller chip |
| 03:14.25 | mamamia | puffffffff o0 0o apears i really have lot to lear around here o0 0o |
| 03:14.27 | NoAgendas | so it is what I pasted then |
| 03:14.38 | mamamia | pufff o0 0o |
| 03:14.40 | NoAgendas | who? I have no idea. Dell direct is all I know to be honest |
| 03:14.49 | abrotman | NoAgendas: you need to know the chipset of the controller |
| 03:14.55 | Gregorovius | I overwrote the mbr to boot windows, and I can access other partitions on that HD |
| 03:15.01 | NoAgendas | Ok, so I find out the chipset then where do I go from there? |
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| 03:15.05 | abrotman | NoAgendas: MAKE SURE the tech has tried typing 'linux26' at the installer prompt |
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| 03:15.12 | Blain | Howdy folks. My package management seems to be broken. Running Sid via Knoppix, and it's been broken for a while. |
| 03:15.13 | Gregorovius | but the ext3 fs is listed as invalid or none |
| 03:15.13 | abrotman | NoAgendas: tell us what it is |
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| 03:15.29 | Blain | I think it needs a kick to get it working right. |
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| 03:15.46 | zinx | Gregorovius: your fs got screwed up something terrible |
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| 03:15.54 | opnsrc | Is there a way to "burn" an iso image to a usb drive |
| 03:15.56 | zinx | Gregorovius: you sure all that happened was a power failure? |
| 03:16.03 | opnsrc | (though it's not burning) |
| 03:16.04 | quitte | im considering to buy a pvr-150. do i understand it right that it does the whole mpeg encoding in hardware and i just have to stream it to the hdd to make a tv recording? |
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| 03:16.14 | abrotman | NoAgendas: ? |
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| 03:16.26 | Gregorovius | zinx: after rebooting fsck ran and found a bunch of errors |
| 03:16.39 | opnsrc | I basically want to install a ISO image on a usb drive and boot from the Usb drive |
| 03:16.44 | NoAgendas | where do I get the chipset info? I have no idea. I have physical access now |
| 03:16.47 | opnsrc | or somehow figure out a way to install a linux distribution from Debian |
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| 03:16.49 | fangor | any clues as to why my resolv.conf keeps re-writing itself to the default (wrong) autodetected values everytime i boot up? |
| 03:16.54 | opnsrc | (onto a usb flash drive) |
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| 03:16.59 | Gregorovius | zinx: it prompted me to reboot and so I did, and now i'm stuck |
| 03:17.00 | abrotman | fangor: dhcp |
| 03:17.13 | zinx | Gregorovius: sounds like something really really bad wrong with your system |
| 03:17.36 | kspath | opnsrc: DSL and Knoppix do things like that but they are not Debian |
| 03:17.45 | Gregorovius | zinx: I know =/ but I guess most of the data is still there, and I'd like to recover as much as I can |
| 03:17.58 | opnsrc | I tried DSL once and it wanted me to burn a CD and then use that CD to make the USb drive |
| 03:18.02 | raronson | anyone know if there's a fix for nvidia-glx removing xserver-xorg yet? (Debian Etch) |
| 03:18.03 | abrotman | !usbinstall |
| 03:18.03 | opnsrc | well I tried it and it gave me some error |
| 03:18.13 | abrotman | opnsrc: it's there |
| 03:18.24 | opnsrc | it burned and booted from the CD properly. But when I tried to write it to sda1 it gave me some error |
| 03:18.25 | abrotman | !usb-install |
| 03:18.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
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| 03:18.27 | abrotman | opnsrc: ^^ |
| 03:18.35 | quitte | opnsrc: why install an iso? and not a normal system? |
| 03:18.36 | shogunx | fangor: there is a script in /etc/network/if-up.d that deos that, i think |
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| 03:18.46 | opnsrc | well how would I do that? |
| 03:19.06 | kspath | opnsrc: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 03:19.11 | quitte | opnsrc: just select the usb stick as your install drive in the installer,basically |
| 03:19.28 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 03:19.38 | quitte | opnsrc: but dont create a swap partition on it |
| 03:19.44 | shogunx | Gregorovius why not boot the system with a livecd, and make any necessary repairs. |
| 03:19.52 | opnsrc | well the thing is the USB drive doesn't have much space |
| 03:19.56 | kspath | I have a USB stick but none of my hardware is new enough to even play with that... |
| 03:20.09 | opnsrc | I just want it to put clamscan on it and do an out of OS scan on a computer |
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| 03:20.22 | opnsrc | I don't even need a GUI or anything |
| 03:20.25 | opnsrc | Just something real small |
| 03:20.31 | abrotman | opnsrc: maybe try the ubcd ? |
| 03:20.33 | abrotman | !ubcd |
| 03:20.35 | abrotman | hrm |
| 03:20.43 | opnsrc | ubcd doesn't have clamscan does it? |
| 03:20.45 | Gregorovius | shogunx: I wouldn't know what to do, any tips? |
| 03:20.45 | opnsrc | I have ubcd |
| 03:20.52 | opnsrc | The thing is I need something I can keep the antivirus up to date easily |
| 03:20.59 | abrotman | !ubcd is http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ |
| 03:20.59 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 03:21.04 | opnsrc | without having to re - burn CD's and stuff |
| 03:21.08 | kspath | there is the 40MB netinstall at http://www.debian.org is that small enough? |
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| 03:21.20 | opnsrc | yeah |
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| 03:21.27 | opnsrc | thanks |
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| 03:21.38 | Ketrel | I have a general linux question |
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| 03:22.03 | Blain | Ketrel -- go for it. |
| 03:22.08 | stevehalasz | deleted stale gnupg lock file. now sigs verify in evolution. |
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| 03:22.35 | abrotman | is ketrel a bird .. |
| 03:22.39 | shogunx | Gregorovius boot the livecd. mount your existing filesystem on disk. fix grub. try to boot from disk. note any error messages. boot from livecd. mount filesystem. repair whatever the error messages say is broken. try to boot from hard disk... and so forth unitl it works. |
| 03:22.44 | Ketrel | that's a Kestral |
| 03:23.02 | abrotman | i was close .. and it is Kestrel .. no 'a' |
| 03:23.02 | Ketrel | my friend gave me tool called boobs (yeah I know the name is weird), but I can't figure out the syntax to use it, he said it has a manual file, what would I do to call it up? |
| 03:23.05 | raronson | anyone know if there's a fix for nvidia-glx removing xserver-xorg? |
| 03:23.06 | Blain | I once knew a Kestrel from a Ironhenge BBS. She was very nice. |
| 03:23.30 | dwh | Hello everyone. I'm a complete newbie to Debian and can't seem to wrap my head around the package manager. I can install simple apps, but when it comes to X and KDE I'm hopeless. Is there a *really* newbie-friendly FAQ out there for this sort of thing? |
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| 03:23.40 | Gregorovius | shogunx: thanks, now I'm not sure I'll be able to mount it |
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| 03:23.49 | gravity | dwh: There's an apt HOWTO out there |
| 03:23.58 | gravity | dwh: You may be more comfortable with tasksel |
| 03:24.06 | davidm | Hi all. New Debian user here. I have a fresh install but have run into problems |
| 03:24.32 | Blain | Ketrel -- man -k foo will give you the names of the manual pages having to do with foo. |
| 03:24.33 | Gregorovius | shogunx: I've tried some partitioning software (acronis suite) and it lists the fs as invalid |
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| 03:24.48 | dwh | gravity: I'll give it a shot real fast and let you know how it turns out. |
| 03:24.53 | davidm | Started out with 2 DVD set and tried to install from them and got base system insalled but there were problems with Xserver |
| 03:24.55 | Ketrel | I hate my friend |
| 03:25.02 | dwh | gravity: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Debian supposed to pick up on package dependencies fairly well? |
| 03:25.06 | shogunx | if you cant mount it (at least try) the it is probablt significantly hosed. |
| 03:25.08 | Ketrel | it's obvious what he wants me to type xD |
| 03:25.18 | Ketrel | he wants me to type "man boobs" LMFAO |
| 03:25.22 | Blain | Well, yes. |
| 03:25.23 | Ketrel | I'm going to go kill him |
| 03:25.23 | plb | hm how do you install xorg from backports...I added Package: x-window-system-core to my preferences file but it gives me unmet deps yet if I apt-get install -t sarge-backports x-window-system-core it works fine |
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| 03:25.36 | plb | I should so from the preferences file |
| 03:25.38 | Ketrel | thanks, and sorry to have fallen for that |
| 03:25.48 | Blain | np. Smack him once for me. |
| 03:25.53 | gravity | dwh: It does indeed. I don't know what you're doing wrong |
| 03:26.06 | [mX] | has anyone experienced an error with udev's ide.agent with the 2.6.15-1 kernel in deb unstable? |
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| 03:26.36 | xored | i just deleted a file, how can i reconstruct it ( its a small file ) |
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| 03:26.41 | davidm | so I need a little help here. What is an easy way to fix my new system. |
| 03:26.50 | davidm | (Must have been errors on the CD) |
| 03:27.40 | Blain | xored -- what did you delete it with? |
| 03:27.45 | davidm | I've managed to get repositories enough to do "apt-get update" and "apt-get install irssi" (so that I can ask questions here. |
| 03:28.01 | stevehalasz | gringotts problem I had was due to bug 348632. workaround was to downgrade libmhash2. |
| 03:28.09 | abrotman | davidm: fix ? |
| 03:28.20 | davidm | I suppose I can use apt-get to fix the system but, maybe there's an easier way? |
| 03:28.28 | abrotman | what's wrong with it ? |
| 03:28.32 | davidm | abrotman: X server does not work |
| 03:28.53 | abrotman | davidm: did you install it ? :) |
| 03:29.11 | davidm | abrotman: not sure. |
| 03:29.15 | davidm | How can I tell? |
| 03:29.19 | abrotman | davidm: what DE/WM do you prefer ? |
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| 03:29.25 | davidm | I did "Desktop" install |
| 03:29.31 | davidm | KDE |
| 03:29.49 | abrotman | just to make sure .. let's `apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system-core` |
| 03:29.51 | davidm | I have apt-get working to some extent... |
| 03:30.01 | [mX] | anyone? |
| 03:30.04 | davidm | abrotman: ok |
| 03:30.21 | abrotman | [mX]: freaking out . .tons of errors? |
| 03:30.35 | [mX] | abrotman: oh yeah, total system panic |
| 03:30.39 | [mX] | drops me into a shell |
| 03:30.42 | abrotman | [mX]: oh .. mine boots at least |
| 03:30.54 | [mX] | it just can't find any ide drives |
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| 03:31.16 | davidm | "Can not find xwindow-system-core" |
| 03:31.16 | [mX] | I read some article online saying to run MAKEDEV, and that didn't help.. ironically I can boot into older kernels, but thats because they don't support UDEV |
| 03:31.36 | abrotman | davidm: x-window-system-core |
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| 03:32.09 | abrotman | wtf is .pe ? |
| 03:32.10 | davidm | abrotman: ok, that works |
| 03:32.11 | rpmx | deadcat, I solution my problme |
| 03:32.15 | abrotman | davidm: good deal |
| 03:32.47 | davidm | abrotman: tnx |
| 03:32.49 | abrotman | !.pe is Peru |
| 03:32.49 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 03:32.54 | ootput | which package offers flash for opera? |
| 03:32.55 | davidm | may be on the road to recovery :) |
| 03:32.56 | rpmx | deadcat, scp -rp root@192.168.1.3:/bin . |
| 03:33.12 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:33.26 | abrotman | davidm: in the mean time .. look in /var/log .. do you see an XFree86.0.log .. or Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 03:33.59 | xored | Blain: rm dir -fr |
| 03:34.28 | abrotman | or without -f |
| 03:35.20 | davidm | abrotman: there is no XFree86.0.log or Xorg.0.log |
| 03:35.28 | Blain | xored -- afaik, rm is forever. Anybody know a way around that? |
| 03:35.31 | davidm | So, must be that I just don't have the packages installed. |
| 03:35.50 | davidm | I think it is good to opt. for ftp install when doing Debian install? |
| 03:35.51 | abrotman | davidm: just making sure |
| 03:36.00 | xored | Blain: he just deleted the inode..he has not overwritten the fiel blocks |
| 03:36.25 | xored | magicrescue is a gentoo tool, but i need ti for debian :/ |
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| 03:37.13 | shogunx | xored you could build it from source |
| 03:37.43 | Blain | xored -- you're past what I know how to do, so hopefully somebody else will have a better answer than mine. |
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| 03:38.16 | xored | Blain: thank you anyway |
| 03:38.23 | mattwestm | how do I upgrade to openoffice 2.0 using apt-get? |
| 03:38.29 | Blain | While we're waiting, you have any idea how to unbreak my apt in Sid? I can paste my error to #flood again if youw ant. |
| 03:38.37 | xored | anybody got a synaptics touchpad running under xorg ? |
| 03:39.02 | mattwestm | my laptop touchpad works fine :-) |
| 03:39.20 | mattwestm | I think it is PS/2 config though :-/ |
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| 03:39.54 | rob_ | !dpkg X |
| 03:40.03 | rob_ | :/ |
| 03:40.19 | rob_ | how do i reconfigure X to get a wireless usb mouse to work |
| 03:40.39 | mattwestm | how do I upgrade to openoffice 2.0 using apt-get/aptitude? |
| 03:41.13 | abrotman | !drxx acid-trip |
| 03:41.13 | dpkg | acid-trip: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 03:41.24 | abrotman | mattwestm: which version of debian ? |
| 03:41.29 | mattwestm | 3.1 |
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| 03:41.34 | abrotman | !backports |
| 03:41.34 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 03:41.57 | abrotman | mattwestm: as in .. backports.org |
| 03:42.00 | Blain | mattwestm -- apt-get update and apt-get upgrade should get you the most recent version. I'm not sure if OOo 2.0 is available for debian yet -- have you checked? |
| 03:42.07 | NOthsouth | Why I can`t open .jar files? did I need some especifc package ? .. my path had jdk1.5/bin |
| 03:42.11 | acid-trip | hmm |
| 03:42.22 | abrotman | NOthsouth: jdk or jre ? |
| 03:42.24 | acid-trip | i'm looking for the dpkg-reconfigure option for x |
| 03:42.25 | acid-trip | :| |
| 03:42.28 | NOthsouth | abrotman, jdk |
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| 03:42.30 | mattwestm | I have done apt-get upgrade and it says all packages updated |
| 03:42.34 | mattwestm | 3.1 is latest, correct? |
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| 03:42.38 | abrotman | bah .. java sucks |
| 03:42.44 | abrotman | mattwestm: latest stable yes |
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| 03:43.02 | mattwestm | is it possible to get the newer looking gnome? |
| 03:43.05 | abrotman | mattwestm: ytou'll need backports .. officially . sarge does not and will never have OO.o2 |
| 03:43.18 | mattwestm | instead of the older looking gnome? |
| 03:43.30 | abrotman | sure .. you can risk breaking your system with etch/sid |
| 03:43.41 | abrotman | little pieces everywhere ... |
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| 03:44.02 | Blain | You're not going to find newer versions of everything in stable -- you can get them quicker in sid if you wanna live on the wild side. |
| 03:44.33 | Blain | And run the risk of having your apt system break (like mine has) and trying to find help in getting it unbroken. |
| 03:44.53 | mattwestm | when was 3.1 released? |
| 03:45.14 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 03:45.14 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 03:46.26 | mattwestm | why is debian so behind other distros with updates? |
| 03:46.31 | abrotman | it's not |
| 03:46.36 | abrotman | you just don't understand how debian works |
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| 03:47.08 | mattwestm | well, I mean, OpenOffice 1.0 is old and same with the gnome version |
| 03:47.19 | abrotman | it released in june .. but was frozen in .. february i think .. before OO2 was released IIRC |
| 03:47.19 | mattwestm | I still like it though :-) |
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| 03:47.35 | NOthsouth | abrotman, Ho, i see, the problem is not in open .jar files, but my .jar file is corrupted .. |
| 03:47.38 | NOthsouth | DUH |
| 03:47.41 | abrotman | oh |
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| 03:47.59 | Blain | When you're in the stable version, you're gaining stability at the cost of bleeding edge releases. |
| 03:48.11 | N0S3 | some other similar package to " motion" ?? |
| 03:48.17 | amphi | mattwestm: there is a backport of 2 if you need it |
| 03:48.24 | mattwestm | what is the latest beta/alpha release of debian? |
| 03:48.36 | Blain | etch/sid |
| 03:48.36 | abrotman | etch is testing .. sid is unstable |
| 03:48.46 | xored | how to load the psaux module ß |
| 03:48.53 | abrotman | modprobe psmouse |
| 03:49.05 | shogunx | Blain have you been through the usual apt-get upgrade, apt-get -f install, dpkg --configure -a, apt-get install, dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archive/* loop? |
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| 03:49.27 | xored | abrotman: no moudle found. Ok didnt compile it into kernel, what do i need to active in the config ? |
| 03:49.50 | jetscreamer | why don't you tell him to stfw |
| 03:49.56 | abrotman | xored: why did you compile the kernel ? |
| 03:50.01 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ? |
| 03:50.06 | str8edge | anyone here using the debian slimserver packages? |
| 03:50.08 | xored | what should be that question for ? |
| 03:50.14 | jetscreamer | try modprobe mousedev btw |
| 03:50.18 | xored | for suspend2.. |
| 03:50.36 | abrotman | jetscreamer: chancse are .. you didn't do psmouse . probably didnt' get mousedev either :) |
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| 03:51.47 | str8edge | can someone help me with a users and groups problem? |
| 03:51.54 | abrotman | just ask |
| 03:52.08 | Mouse^G | Can anyone please tell me where i find a dummy guide? Im trying to learn but im got no set off and i just get more confused by the manual :) (and ofcause i asked google before i asked you) |
| 03:52.14 | Blain | shogunX -- error in #flood |
| 03:52.24 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 03:52.24 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (i.e. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 03:52.27 | abrotman | Mouse^G: ^^ |
| 03:52.44 | abrotman | Mouse^G: for everything in quotes ... /msg dpkg <whateveritis> |
| 03:52.49 | shogunx | Blain again please? |
| 03:53.00 | abrotman | !tell Mouse^G about grounding |
| 03:53.34 | xored | abrotman: i do not have mousdev or psaux in the /dev .. but i have mouse support and psaux build in the kernel before |
| 03:54.05 | xored | abrotman: i have a synopsis touchpad.. |
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| 03:54.22 | str8edge | abrotman: when i install the slimserver package it creates a system user, "slimserver". once the package starts the initscript tells it to run as user slimserver, but in ps -ef, it resolves to user 116 (which is the slimserver user number) |
| 03:54.23 | abrotman | you should have the mousedev and psaux modules |
| 03:54.25 | Blain | shogunx -- it seems to be ugrading thus far. |
| 03:54.40 | abrotman | str8edge: this is bad ? |
| 03:54.46 | xored | abrotman: i just looked in my kernel config, its build in |
| 03:55.07 | str8edge | abrotman: its the only package it happens to, and Its causing other permission problems.. |
| 03:55.08 | abrotman | then MAKEDEV shoudl make it |
| 03:55.22 | Blain | new error at apt-get upgrade in #flood |
| 03:55.32 | xored | MAKDEV ? whre should i do this ? |
| 03:55.34 | abrotman | you have to tell the pesron .. before you paste |
| 03:55.38 | abrotman | xored: in /dev/ |
| 03:55.52 | abrotman | xored: but it should have happened |
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| 03:56.23 | str8edge | xored: which verison of debian are you using? |
| 03:56.24 | shogunx | Blain that means that there are no files /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 03:56.39 | xored | sarge stable with an 15er kernel |
| 03:56.45 | shogunx | ohh... try apt-get update Blain |
| 03:57.22 | Blain | updating.... |
| 03:57.34 | shogunx | then do the upgrade again. |
| 03:57.44 | opnsrc | Thanks |
| 03:57.56 | Blain | doing, but this is feeling very familiar thus far. |
| 03:58.25 | str8edge | abrotman: any ideas how to trace what the initscript is doing? |
| 03:58.34 | shogunx | Blain are you running hastap, btw? |
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| 03:58.40 | shogunx | hostap, that is? |
| 03:58.54 | Blain | I have no idea. How could I find out? |
| 03:58.56 | abrotman | str8edge: there's a way that i can't remember .. why is it causing permission problems ? |
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| 03:59.50 | Blain | fwiw, the upgrade is going further than last try. |
| 04:00.16 | str8edge | for whatever reason, since its not registering as user "slimserver", the group permissions are also failing, and it does not have access to my mp3 directory |
| 04:00.45 | abrotman | so user 116 is slimserver .. and this is bad? |
| 04:00.52 | str8edge | xored: so you have udev installed |
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| 04:00.57 | shogunx | its a special kernel module for prismII based wireless cards... lets them function in access point mode. hostapd is the userspace daemon for things like authentication and such when connecting to a hostap access point. that is the package apt could not find in your #flood error message, which is why i asked |
| 04:01.03 | str8edge | its not bad.. |
| 04:01.13 | xored | str8edge: how to check this / what does it mean now ? |
| 04:01.31 | abrotman | str8edge: what's the group for user 116 ? |
| 04:01.43 | str8edge | udev is the dev management daemon, it handles creating device nodes. |
| 04:02.10 | str8edge | xored: dpkg --get-selections | grep udev |
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| 04:02.16 | str8edge | no group |
| 04:02.20 | abrotman | at all? |
| 04:02.23 | str8edge | at all |
| 04:02.26 | str8edge | :( |
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| 04:02.31 | abrotman | but you have group permission problems ? |
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| 04:04.02 | str8edge | user slimserver belongs to groups "nogroup" and "audio" since the userid->uid lookup fails, the group membership seems to be failing too. |
| 04:04.20 | str8edge | so yeah, group permission problems. |
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| 04:04.26 | abrotman | i'm really confused why uid lookup fails |
| 04:04.41 | str8edge | so am i! |
| 04:05.01 | abrotman | what happens if you su - slimserver ? |
| 04:05.13 | str8edge | nothing.. |
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| 04:05.16 | dondelelcaro | str8edge: if the user doesn't exist in the passwd file, it's not going to be able to figure out the group membership either |
| 04:05.20 | str8edge | i stay as root |
| 04:05.31 | str8edge | the user exist in /etc/passwd |
| 04:05.35 | abrotman | he said it has a uid of 116 |
| 04:05.41 | abrotman | but has no default group in /etc/passwd |
| 04:05.59 | str8edge | slimserver:x:116:65534:SlimServer,,,:/usr/share/slimserver:/bin/false |
| 04:06.06 | dondelelcaro | str8edge: what does getent passwd slimserver; return? |
| 04:06.09 | abrotman | oh .. belongs to nogroup |
| 04:06.14 | str8edge | yeah |
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| 04:06.34 | dondelelcaro | str8edge: and getent group nogroup? |
| 04:06.53 | str8edge | nogroup:x:65534: |
| 04:06.54 | Blain | KDE barfed on me and I had to logout and back in, right in the middle of my upgrade. |
| 04:06.58 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.03 | dondelelcaro | str8edge: and if you su slimserver; ? |
| 04:07.09 | str8edge | nothing.. |
| 04:07.09 | dondelelcaro | str8edge: then run id; |
| 04:07.28 | str8edge | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 04:07.30 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.32 | shogunx | Blain that was probably kdm restarting after upgrade |
| 04:07.37 | str8edge | already been through this, but i appreciate it.. |
| 04:07.48 | konfuzed | str8edge: ok if you su to a user that has a shell of bin/false doesnt it automatically drop you login session? |
| 04:07.53 | shogunx | try again |
| 04:07.58 | Blain | The upgrade didn't get that far -- it was about 60 packages out of ~400. |
| 04:08.19 | str8edge | nope |
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| 04:08.53 | konfuzed | uhm bin/false prevents that slimsilver user from logging in |
| 04:08.55 | Blain | I've found it barfs a lot when I use the K menu -- once it'll give me an error and then restart, and then I lose the bar from the bottom and can't switch tasks anymore. |
| 04:09.03 | str8edge | but you can su to it. |
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| 04:09.15 | Blain | I tried restarting the upgrade, and it gave me the message I just pasted to #flood. |
| 04:09.24 | str8edge | at least i thought you could. |
| 04:09.24 | dondelelcaro | str8edge: that doesn't make sense. FE, sshd is set up exactly the same way, and you can sudo su sshd id; just fine. |
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| 04:09.49 | konfuzed | [23:07:25] <dondelelcaro> str8edge: and if you su slimserver; ? |
| 04:09.50 | konfuzed | [23:07:30] <str8edge> nothing.. |
| 04:09.54 | abrotman | maybe it has something to do with /bin/false as his shell ? |
| 04:09.59 | [mX] | man has absolutely noone had this error with udev and the 2.6.15-kernel? I can't find anything on it.. |
| 04:10.04 | shogunx | Blain rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock and try again. |
| 04:10.07 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: that's why I said to su slimserver; instead of su - slimserver... |
| 04:10.13 | rich0rd | hello everyone, i am using debian sid on my laptop and i wonder if there is a way to switch of the touchpad - or to set the sensitivity down |
| 04:10.17 | abrotman | d'oh! |
| 04:10.21 | str8edge | this is where i got to.. |
| 04:10.22 | str8edge | :) |
| 04:10.31 | dondelelcaro | Blain: are you sure that no other instance dpkg is running? |
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| 04:10.50 | xored | abrotman: , str8edge : ok i handled to isntall synaptics touchpad ( downloaded driver and compiled, configured x11) but somehow my "side scrolling" still doesnt work. it worked on the old kernel.. |
| 04:10.54 | shogunx | dondecarlo it was the child process of a kde crash |
| 04:11.00 | konfuzed | str8edge: just change your shell entry from /bin/false to /bin/sh - presuming you want that user to actually be able to login ever |
| 04:11.07 | Blain | dondelelcaro -- only if it continued running when the shell it was in was shut down. |
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| 04:11.19 | str8edge | he should never need to log in.. |
| 04:11.29 | str8edge | its a system id for a daemon.. |
| 04:11.49 | konfuzed | str8edge: then what is the problem you are having , sounds like a moot point |
| 04:11.52 | dondelelcaro | Blain: if it's running, kill it off. |
| 04:11.52 | str8edge | when the daemon process starts, ps displays the numeric id, it does not resolve back to the slimserver id. |
| 04:12.14 | Blain | Okay, it's now unpacking the packages that were downloaded prior to the crash, but it barfed on the others that hadn't been downloaded yet. |
| 04:12.20 | str8edge | konfused: since it doesn't resolve all of the group permissions also fail. |
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| 04:12.38 | konfuzed | str8edge: is it the correct userid for slimsilver presented from ps? |
| 04:12.42 | Blain | GUessing that I need to rerun update when it's done with this, the try upgrade again. |
| 04:12.44 | str8edge | no! |
| 04:12.46 | str8edge | just 116. |
| 04:13.03 | shogunx | ok, so try the upgrade again. so it can get the remainder of the packages. |
| 04:13.09 | Blain | only one copy of dpkg running right now. |
| 04:13.31 | konfuzed | 116 is the correct userid |
| 04:13.35 | str8edge | yes |
| 04:13.44 | konfuzed | the userid is a number |
| 04:13.53 | str8edge | sorry, 116 is the correct uid. |
| 04:13.54 | konfuzed | the name is an alias to the userid as rather irrelevant |
| 04:14.15 | str8edge | but group membership is done by name, not by number. |
| 04:14.19 | konfuzed | chown username only sets chown userid anyway |
| 04:14.30 | Blain | shogunx -- thanks for your help. This is further than it's gotten before. Can you run me by the loop thing again -- I was trying to load kate to paste that and save it because it's something I've had to do before. |
| 04:14.31 | konfuzed | wrong again |
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| 04:14.50 | konfuzed | computers dont use damn names they use numbers |
| 04:14.57 | str8edge | konfused: bullshit. |
| 04:14.59 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: default is by number, membership is by name. |
| 04:15.03 | konfuzed | in all cases a name is only used to represent the real numeric id |
| 04:15.17 | str8edge | konfused: exactly what dondelelcaro said. |
| 04:15.23 | abrotman | where's agney's quit message :) |
| 04:15.25 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, that's how you typically do it) |
| 04:15.40 | duxbarak | i recently had to format and reinstall, and i saved my /var/cache/apt/ folder on another partition with all the .debs i'd apt-get'en, can i just stick that back in /var/cache/ ? or is there any other way? |
| 04:16.00 | NOthsouth | how can I force installation with dpkg ? |
| 04:16.14 | duxbarak | dpkg -i |
| 04:16.18 | abrotman | duxbarak: in /var/cache/apt/archives/ .. yes .. if they're current .. they'll work |
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| 04:16.43 | duxbarak | ok, and then i can just apt-get them over, and they'll just install, no re-download? |
| 04:16.45 | konfuzed | how you go about it typically is a matter of opinion or aproach but the kernel doesnt care how it is typically done |
| 04:17.05 | odla | bye abrotman |
| 04:17.34 | dondelelcaro | str8edge: in any case, what happens when you sudo su slimserver id; |
| 04:17.37 | shogunx | Blain apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get -f install, dpkg --configure -a, dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archive/* all usually come in handy. |
| 04:17.48 | duxbarak | and do i overwrite pkgcache.bin & srcpkgcache.bin with the saved ones, or keep what i have now |
| 04:18.03 | str8edge | i get uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 04:18.07 | dondelelcaro | NOthsouth: the short answer is that you don't. Give us the full and complete output, and we'll help you fix your problem. |
| 04:18.28 | rich0rd | so is there a way to switch of the touchpad - or to regulate the sensitivity? (propably xorg setting) |
| 04:18.35 | odla | when did xorg 6.9 and kernel 2.6.15 get moved to testing? |
| 04:18.36 | dondelelcaro | rich0rd: depends on the touchpad. |
| 04:18.49 | Blain | Thanks. Saved it to quicknote in Firefox this time -- sufficient for the task. |
| 04:19.22 | dondelelcaro | odla: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xorg-x11.html |
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| 04:19.34 | dondelelcaro | odla: figuring out when the kernel transitioned is left as an exercise. |
| 04:19.39 | konfuzed | str8edge: in any case both entries in both the password file and the group file must be correct and whole for your daemon to use it properly |
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| 04:19.55 | gravity | odla: xorg went in today |
| 04:20.03 | str8edge | konfused: they should be.. |
| 04:20.13 | NOthsouth | dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.com/553865 |
| 04:20.18 | rich0rd | dondelelcaro: i think it's an alps/alps compatible one |
| 04:21.05 | konfuzed | str8edge: which software is choking on this slimsilver user |
| 04:21.06 | duxbarak | pkgcache.bin & srcpkgcache.bin are in /var/cache/apt/ , do i replace those when putting in my old debs, or keep what i have now when putting all my old, but current .debs back in /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 04:21.09 | str8edge | the actually slimserver daemon |
| 04:21.10 | odla | gravity: cool, looks like 7.0 will definitely be in when etch is released, eh? |
| 04:21.21 | gravity | odla: Uh... that's the hope, yeah |
| 04:21.23 | konfuzed | str8edge: never heard of it |
| 04:21.29 | gravity | odla: We'll see though |
| 04:21.29 | str8edge | www.slimdevices.net |
| 04:21.39 | Didozz | s |
| 04:21.39 | str8edge | apt-get install slimserver |
| 04:21.40 | shogunx | Blain you should be able to achieve a fully updated system with those. |
| 04:22.00 | dondelelcaro | NOthsouth: you're trying to install skype on testing or unstable. That isn't going to work. |
| 04:22.07 | Blain | It's coming. Right now, it's still upgrading the stuff it got -- locales for the moment. |
| 04:22.07 | mattwestm | how do you send a dir using terminal ftp? |
| 04:22.13 | dondelelcaro | NOthsouth: that package is build for the stable version of Debian. |
| 04:22.19 | odla | gravity is 7.0 in sid? |
| 04:22.23 | gravity | odla: No |
| 04:22.27 | Blain | Is it really important to have lots of locales? |
| 04:22.28 | duxbarak | mattwestm: ls |
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| 04:22.35 | NOthsouth | dondelelcaro, but if I force , it will work |
| 04:22.37 | gravity | odla: It's starting to trickle in to experimental, but there's a significant amount of work left to do on it |
| 04:22.44 | dondelelcaro | NOthsouth: no, it will not work, even if you force it. |
| 04:22.44 | konfuzed | str8edge: so far the site times out |
| 04:22.46 | Didozz | could smbd tell me if familiar with a mouse freezin in x with 2.4 and P4S400 mother board |
| 04:22.52 | mattwestm | well, I want to put a directory on an ftp, not a file |
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| 04:23.05 | konfuzed | str8edge: i entered a bit late , did you post an atual error message or log or some such |
| 04:23.13 | str8edge | oops. |
| 04:23.15 | NOthsouth | dondelelcaro, my friend just do that , and skype is working |
| 04:23.16 | str8edge | slimdevices.com |
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| 04:23.25 | dondelelcaro | NOthsouth: there's a reason why the package changed its name from qt3c102-mt to qt3-mt. |
| 04:23.37 | str8edge | konfused.. no errors per-say.. |
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| 04:23.43 | dondelelcaro | NOthsouth: he either installed it on stable, or he used the static package, not the package that depends on qt3c102. |
| 04:23.54 | str8edge | the logfiles just say that it can't access the file. |
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| 04:24.05 | Readon | help! my system find the scsi controller but havn't attach the device. |
| 04:24.15 | NOthsouth | dondelelcaro, so what package I can use? |
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| 04:24.33 | dondelelcaro | NOthsouth: there's supposedly a staticly build package of skype which you can install. |
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| 04:24.48 | dondelelcaro | NOthsouth: alternatively, you can run skype out of a stable chroot. |
| 04:24.58 | NOthsouth | how? |
| 04:25.02 | xored | str8edge: i found out, that i need to load evdev to get the sidescrolling running. but when i start it, i cannot move my mouse anmore |
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| 04:26.00 | dondelelcaro | NOthsouth: mkdir stable_chroot; sudo debootstrap stable stable_chroot; cp skype*.deb stable_chroot; sudo chroot stable_chroot; dpkg -i skype*.deb; yada yada. |
| 04:26.13 | dondelelcaro | NOthsouth: in any case, supporting proprietary software is really outside of the realm of what we're here to do. |
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| 04:26.16 | duxbarak | mattwestm: i don't know if you can, but you could mkdir and then put contents, or tar it and put tar |
| 04:26.24 | soberon | Excuse me... What is the application for managing the Grub? I see one with an icon of a red switch, but I do'nt know the name |
| 04:26.30 | dec | Hello, trying to submit a bug, so i attempted to install reportbug, but received " reportbug: Conflicts: python (> 2.3) but 2.3.5-2 is to be installed" - does this mean it requires python <2.3 or is it another bug? |
| 04:26.40 | dondelelcaro | soberon: an editor is the general method to use. |
| 04:26.43 | NOthsouth | dondelelcaro, I`ll try the static version before |
| 04:26.48 | konfuzed | str8edge: you could very well be having permissions issues with the parent directories instead of the directory that file is located in |
| 04:27.02 | soberon | How is it? |
| 04:27.03 | dondelelcaro | dec: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 04:27.03 | Readon | help! my system find the scsi controller but havn't attach the device. |
| 04:27.06 | str8edge | hey.. there's an idea.. |
| 04:27.09 | dondelelcaro | !depends reportbug stable |
| 04:27.09 | str8edge | one sec |
| 04:27.14 | konfuzed | str8edge: post me the log error entry |
| 04:27.15 | dpkg | reportbug: depends on python2.3 |
| 04:27.17 | konfuzed | 1 or 2 lines |
| 04:27.25 | dondelelcaro | !+conflicts reportbug stable |
| 04:27.30 | dpkg | reportbug: does not conflict with any other package |
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| 04:27.47 | dondelelcaro | !+conflicts reportbug woody |
| 04:27.49 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:27.55 | dpkg | reportbug: python (>> 2.3), python-newt (= 0.50.17-7.1) |
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| 04:28.04 | mattwestm | how do I start scp? |
| 04:28.06 | davidm | I think I have all the necessary packages installed to run the xserver. |
| 04:28.12 | dondelelcaro | mattwestm: run scp. |
| 04:28.14 | davidm | How shall I try and start it? |
| 04:28.18 | davidm | startx? |
| 04:28.24 | gravity | davidm: Sure |
| 04:28.26 | dondelelcaro | mattwestm: if you mean enable scp access to a server, you just start sshd. |
| 04:28.35 | mattwestm | aah |
| 04:28.45 | mattwestm | and, what's the difference between ssh and scp? |
| 04:29.06 | dondelelcaro | mattwestm: the same difference there is between sh and cp. Once a shell, the other you use to copy files. |
| 04:29.12 | konfuzed | math1236: ssh gives you a shell |
| 04:29.16 | dondelelcaro | s/ce/es/ |
| 04:29.34 | konfuzed | scp is the only way to use ssh to copy files between two hosts but no shell is provided |
| 04:29.39 | odla | how do i change my time in icewm? it's off by 17 hours |
| 04:29.49 | mattwestm | aaah, basically ftp without ftp? |
| 04:29.49 | davidm | it appears that I have a working xserver! Thanks ALL! |
| 04:29.50 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 04:29.50 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 04:29.53 | dondelelcaro | odla: ^^^ |
| 04:29.55 | str8edge | konfused: i'll paste it to #flood |
| 04:30.03 | konfuzed | sure |
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| 04:30.30 | odla | thanks |
| 04:30.33 | str8edge | its there.. |
| 04:30.43 | str8edge | i can paste it again if necessary |
| 04:31.18 | Loof | Is there any tool that will automatically select files (onto a DVD) for backup. i.e. you have xxG of files and it 'packs' them into the fewest media |
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| 04:36.02 | dec | dondelelcaro - sorry for my delayed response - its debian stable. |
| 04:37.53 | dondelelcaro | dec: actually, you appear to be running woody, which is the old stable version, not sarge, which is the current stable. |
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| 04:38.57 | dec | oh... shit... |
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| 04:39.14 | dec | forgot, I had to change sources.conf back to woody to install an old package yesterday =) |
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| 04:39.34 | dec | thanks dondelelcaro. |
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| 04:39.36 | dondelelcaro | dec: you can have both of them in your sources.list if you want to do that... |
| 04:39.49 | davidm | How is everyone tonight? |
| 04:39.54 | Loof | Hmm, any suggestions on a backup tool or just file selector? |
| 04:40.00 | dec | dondelelcaro - yes, i know, i read a few articles on apt 'pinning' etc... but none seemed to work and i didn't have time to muck around with it. |
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| 04:41.46 | dondelelcaro | dec: nah, you don't even need to use pinning |
| 04:41.56 | dec | dondelelcaro - fair enough. |
| 04:41.58 | dondelelcaro | dec: it's as simple as having both a line for sarge, and a line for woody |
| 04:42.15 | dec | and it will use sarge by default, but woody when i tell it to? |
| 04:42.15 | britt_ | I ran this shell script and i get a segmentation error: r3:/home/britt# IFS="#";for i in `locate *.mp3`; do ls $i;done |
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| 04:42.22 | dec | that is what I tried, dondelelcaro - but it did not work. |
| 04:42.30 | dondelelcaro | dec: it'll use sarge always, and if it can't find the package, it will use woody. |
| 04:42.39 | dondelelcaro | dec: uh... of course it works. |
| 04:42.44 | dec | Didn't for me. |
| 04:42.53 | dec | I copied the man page example exactly... |
| 04:43.00 | dec | anyway, lets not get into my hassles with apt now :) |
| 04:43.18 | dondelelcaro | dec: paste your sources.list into #flood |
| 04:43.38 | boyd | I'm sure it's documented somewhere, but I can't find it.. Can I confirm that xserver-xorg 6.9 + nvidia-glx is broken in testing right now? |
| 04:43.48 | gravity | boyd: It is |
| 04:43.49 | Loof | britt: You got a segment violation running a shell script? |
| 04:43.56 | erxz_paste | "dec" at 66.180.175.30 pasted "sources.list" (7 lines) at http://erxz.com/pb/583 |
| 04:44.00 | britt_ | Loof: yep. apparently so. |
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| 04:44.06 | gravity | boyd: Newer nvidia-glx packages work with it, but they haven't migrated to testing yet apparently |
| 04:44.07 | Loof | britt: Check for bad hardware... memory is most likely |
| 04:44.13 | britt_ | I dont see what could have happened... |
| 04:44.17 | dec | dondelelcaro - paste at erxz above. |
| 04:44.21 | britt_ | Loof: seriously? |
| 04:44.21 | Loof | Could be your drive, too |
| 04:44.22 | Loof | Yep |
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| 04:44.33 | Loof | That would be the most likely reason |
| 04:44.52 | britt_ | Loof: either memory or the drive? |
| 04:45.03 | nrdb | I am trying to test a LAN speed, I want to copy a file to /dev/null but can't seem to get the syntax right can anyone help? |
| 04:45.05 | Loof | Could be the CPU, but you'd see other issues. |
| 04:45.14 | Loof | Can you compile the kernel without the system crashing? |
| 04:45.20 | dondelelcaro | dec: non-US doesn't exist anymore. Other than that, it should be fine. |
| 04:45.37 | odla | wow bitchx is confusing |
| 04:45.38 | britt_ | Loof: this is the *FIRST* problem. and i'm pulling all kinds of stuff off of the drive. do you think a reboot would help? |
| 04:46.17 | britt_ | Loof: i'll replace the ram and try again. I know the drive is good. as is the power supply |
| 04:46.21 | dec | dondelelcaro - well, I had major problems with it. and I didn't have time to play, so I just left it and changed sources to woody, installed, changed sources back to sarge. |
| 04:46.34 | Loof | It's possible. Look at your logs 1st |
| 04:46.39 | dondelelcaro | dec: what major problems? |
| 04:46.39 | boyd | gravity: Thanks...and I just got nvidia going with my 24" widescreen too :( |
| 04:46.49 | dec | dondelelcaro - the whole issue is that proftpd package from sarge is not working for us on any of our servers, so we need to run the older version from woody. |
| 04:46.50 | Loof | You never know a drive is good. I've bought brand new drives and had them be bad |
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| 04:47.10 | dondelelcaro | dec: what's the problem with it? |
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| 04:47.25 | britt_ | Loof: like dmesg |
| 04:47.31 | odla | damn quodlibet and it's segmentation fault |
| 04:47.44 | Blain | shogunx -- it seems to be back to its old tricks. |
| 04:47.57 | Loof | britt: Yep... /var/log/messages is the easiest place to look |
| 04:48.01 | duxbarak2 | my kernel just crashed, i'm going to be depressed for a week, at least |
| 04:48.06 | dec | dondelelcaro - it dies with a sig 11 whenever you try to connect to it or list. We can replicate the issue on at least ten servers, all running debian sarge, for every user. |
| 04:48.15 | Blain | I just tried to apt-get install netselect, and I got a mess that I'll put in #flood. |
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| 04:48.47 | dondelelcaro | dec: hrm... turn on coredumps and get a backtrace of it, then file a bug against the package. |
| 04:49.20 | dec | dondelelcaro - that is what I am trying. :) |
| 04:49.42 | britt_ | Loof: looks like a disk is causing a bunch of crap when i disconnected it without unmounting it first |
| 04:49.43 | dec | I just got stuck installing reportbug because my sources.list was wrong. I'll get back into it now. Thanks for the help. |
| 04:49.59 | dec | ^^ directed at dondelelcaro. |
| 04:50.08 | davidm | Night all! Thanks for the help! |
| 04:50.16 | dondelelcaro | dec: cool |
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| 04:50.33 | shogunx | Blain apt-get update then try that install again. not sure how the list is stale, but... |
| 04:50.42 | Loof | britt: It is possible something like that confused the kernel and caused fairly low level problems |
| 04:50.50 | davidm | exit |
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| 04:50.57 | davidm | Umm how do you leave? |
| 04:51.04 | dondelelcaro | davidm: /quit |
| 04:51.10 | raden | is tehre a smaller install than the 14 CD version of debian |
| 04:51.15 | dondelelcaro | davidm: or if you just want to leave the channel, /part |
| 04:51.16 | britt_ | Loof: at least twenty-five I/O errors from sda, which is a USB drive...a avatar shark I was trying to get working |
| 04:51.24 | Blain | I keep updating. I'm getting errors in the process like (gentler paste to #flood) |
| 04:51.31 | davidm | Thank you. I had my slackware guru friend helping me out witha Debian install. He had been meaning to try it out. |
| 04:51.32 | dondelelcaro | Blain: try using the paster bot |
| 04:51.40 | dondelelcaro | !tell Blain -about paster |
| 04:51.57 | shogunx | Blain thats because there is no more non-us |
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| 04:52.14 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 04:52.23 | davidm | Does the swap size need to mirror the memory somehow? |
| 04:52.24 | shogunx | if you remove those lines which contain non-us from /etc/apt/sources.list, that should solve it. |
| 04:52.32 | yoo | i have a streange error when ido a aptitude update |
| 04:52.34 | dondelelcaro | davidm: no, but that's a general rule of thumb. |
| 04:52.37 | britt_ | reboot time. |
| 04:52.57 | davidm | Long time Winders user here. Been trying many different distros. |
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| 04:53.05 | yoo | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp2.fr.debian.org unstable Release: key not disponible : NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 04:53.15 | yoo | How resolce this problem |
| 04:53.23 | yoo | How resolve this problem ? |
| 04:53.25 | yoo | please |
| 04:53.38 | duxbarak2 | i saved my /var/cache/apt/ folder before reinstalling debian, and i put everything back, is there any way that i can get apt-get to recognize that they're there? the .debs are all current |
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| 04:53.45 | Guerin | yoo: topic |
| 04:53.57 | yoo | ho !!!!! |
| 04:54.01 | yoo | thanks |
| 04:54.34 | danl | is there a program to do checksums on all the files in a folder, if any fail, replace it with a backup stored somewhere else? |
| 04:54.34 | davidm | Night all! Many thanks! |
| 04:55.13 | Blain | so removing all of the non-us lines from sources.list will make that stop? |
| 04:55.25 | shogunx | if you apt-get update afterwards |
| 04:55.29 | xored | how to start the soudn base or somehting ? |
| 04:56.07 | douglas | is php-cache-lite similar to eaccelerator? |
| 04:56.25 | duxbarak2 | i saved my /var/cache/apt/ folder before reinstalling debian, and i put everything back, is there any way that i can get apt-get to recognize that they're there? the .debs are all current |
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| 04:57.10 | shogunx | you can dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/* |
| 04:57.15 | dondelelcaro | duxbarak2: install apt-ftparchive; make a Release file stub, and then apt-ftparchive packages foodir |gzip -c > foodir/Packages.gz; |
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| 04:57.22 | SimonRaven | er, *.deb |
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| 04:57.43 | dondelelcaro | duxbarak2: then add a sources list line like: 'deb file:///foo/bar/baz foodir/' and you can then use apt-get with your archive. |
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| 04:58.47 | duxbarak2 | ok, thanks |
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| 04:59.20 | Blain | I'm feeling pretty useless here, sorry. |
| 04:59.24 | waquif | the initramfs-tools+udev+linux-image-2.6.x combination seems to be broken. any pointers on how to build a working initramfs on testing? |
| 04:59.32 | danl | if not what is a good checksum generator? that i could hack into a bash script to check for me? |
| 04:59.39 | davidm | I am bvack! |
| 04:59.42 | davidm | Back! |
| 04:59.48 | dondelelcaro | danl: md5sum FE |
| 04:59.53 | davidm | KDE is not working. |
| 04:59.55 | shogunx | Blain did you remove those lines from sources.list? |
| 05:00.10 | dondelelcaro | danl: or if you mean a real checksum, cksum and sum do that. |
| 05:00.14 | davidm | What apt-get do i type to get KDE? Please? |
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| 05:00.19 | Blain | I removed the non-us lines. I'm still getting errors, but not as many. |
| 05:00.35 | dondelelcaro | Blain: those errors are caused by unreachable sources.list entries. |
| 05:00.37 | VITIHO | davidm, apt-get install kde |
| 05:00.38 | danl | md5sum told me they were the same when they were not |
| 05:00.45 | danl | ok |
| 05:00.53 | davidm | ok let me hop over and give it a try |
| 05:00.56 | danl | missed your second response |
| 05:01.00 | dondelelcaro | danl: uh... that's fairly rare. |
| 05:01.12 | danl | its a 1+gb file |
| 05:01.19 | dondelelcaro | danl: that doesn't really matter. |
| 05:01.25 | rredd4 | I am having a problem. Using sarge (i386). After using pon, I opened KSirc. KSirc did not open.. so I opened x-chat. After about 4 minutes, ksirc finally opened. Other programs do the same thing, like when i click on the "home" icon. the delayed opening happens I am in kde or gnome. |
| 05:01.37 | davidm | Hmm, says its done, newest version. |
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| 05:01.41 | dondelelcaro | danl: there's also sha1sum, which is much more difficult to get collisions with. |
| 05:02.04 | danl | im running World of Warcraft with cedega, it occasionally crashes, when it does, if i try to run it again it says files are corrupt, i replace them from a backup i made and all is fine |
| 05:02.46 | davidm | I do a startxx kde and get a fatel server error. |
| 05:02.48 | dondelelcaro | so check the md5sum of the files. If the md5sum is identical, it's almost definetly not those files which are corrupted. |
| 05:02.53 | davidm | Err startx |
| 05:02.57 | dondelelcaro | davidm: you want startkde |
| 05:02.59 | danl | thanks for hte help dondelelcaro |
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| 05:03.14 | danl | when it happens again i will try those |
| 05:03.37 | davidm | I get Kpersonaliser cannot connect to the server loop |
| 05:04.58 | waquif | currently I am unable to build a working initrd for 2.6.15 version 2.6.15-4 testing linux-image using initramfs-tools version 0.51 and udev version 0.084-3. any pointers? |
| 05:06.17 | rredd4 | What logs can i look in when I am having freeze up or slow opening programs to help me fix this problem? |
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| 05:07.56 | Blain | looks like the errors are coming from java lines through ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/languages/java/linux/debian |
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| 05:08.32 | jshriver | what package holds libpython2.4.so.1.0 ? |
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| 05:08.48 | jshriver | I tried apt-cache search but can't find any libpythons |
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| 05:10.01 | h8 | hello everyone |
| 05:10.05 | jshriver | hi h8 |
| 05:10.25 | h8 | Greetings jshriver |
| 05:11.38 | jshriver | how are you h8? |
| 05:11.43 | odla | does anyone know how to install a theme in icewm? |
| 05:12.13 | jshriver | hrm not offhand.. :( |
| 05:12.37 | h8 | cleaning viruses at client site jshriver lol |
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| 05:13.07 | quik_ | hey folks |
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| 05:13.19 | quik_ | is running "apt-get remove kde*" a dangerous command? |
| 05:13.28 | jshriver | yikes, that's always fun :) backup wipe-format-reinstall lol |
| 05:13.47 | quik_ | I want to everything associated with kde and gnome also (command line headless machine) |
| 05:13.49 | h8 | << agrees with jshriver |
| 05:14.05 | quik_ | ah okay |
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| 05:14.16 | quik_ | whats the best way to remove those DMs |
| 05:14.17 | quik_ | ? |
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| 05:14.57 | beardy | quik_: Use --purge aswell, if you want to get rid of the configurations for them aswell. |
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| 05:19.23 | usr13 | davidm: Did you get it yet? |
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| 05:23.31 | quik_ | apt-get remove doesn't appear to remove all the dependencies? |
| 05:23.48 | quik_ | how can I remove all unrequired things installed? |
| 05:23.58 | amphi | deborphan |
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| 05:24.45 | duxbarak2 | dondelelcaro: i did that apt-ftparchive thing, and added the directory to my sources.list , and it say's it's malformed, can you help me out with the syntax or something? |
| 05:25.20 | parsek_77 | i am trying to run synaptic, it's giving me this error: |
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| 05:25.28 | parsek_77 | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 05:25.28 | parsek_77 | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 05:25.28 | parsek_77 | (synaptic:1317): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 05:25.48 | usr13 | What does "apt-ftparchive" do? |
| 05:26.17 | Blain | Okay. Thanks to shogunx and dondelelcaro, things are much better. I just used netselect-apt to make a new sources.list, commented out the non-US lines, uncommented the deb-src line, and I have a much shorter and happier apt system. It even found some upgradeable packages the earlier sources didn't know. |
| 05:26.27 | usr13 | Does "apt-ftparchive" put new repositories into the sources file? |
| 05:26.30 | duxbarak2 | creates some kind of package list? |
| 05:26.58 | Blain | So thanks a lot, folks. I'll have more to do another time, but, for tonight, it's time to buy some groceries, check the mail and get some dvds. |
| 05:27.20 | duxbarak2 | it doens't put the file, but from what dondelelcaro was saying, it should make it so you can put that folder in the list |
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| 05:29.23 | duxbarak2 | can someone explain to me how to turn a folder of .deb's into my own little archive that i can apt-get from? |
| 05:30.06 | duxbarak2 | cuz it's either that, or i download packages for the next 3 days on dialup |
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| 05:31.34 | duxbarak2 | can anyone help me? |
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| 05:32.42 | duxbarak2 | or is it possible? do i just have to work out dependancies by hand and ' dpkg -i ' a hundred .debs |
| 05:33.09 | fangor | i just tried making a kernel image with make-kpkg, and it only took like 10 seconds, and i can't find the kernel package, so i assume something's wrong. here's what happened: http://pastebin.com/553902 |
| 05:33.36 | odla | duxbarak2: you could always do dpkg -i *.deb rather than a hundred times |
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| 05:34.48 | duxbarak2 | but i only want about 1/6 of the packages there, installing them all ruined my comp last time |
| 05:34.54 | duxbarak2 | x wouldn't work any more |
| 05:35.20 | duxbarak2 | is there any way to do what i'm asking, or am i up a creek? |
| 05:35.48 | odla | duxbarak2: what if you removed the 5/6 that you don't want ;) |
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| 05:35.58 | duxbarak2 | dependencies |
| 05:36.14 | odla | duxbarak2: do you know which ones you are trying to installing? |
| 05:36.14 | duxbarak2 | :( |
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| 05:36.47 | odla | you might need to just put all the dependencies in one folder with the package of interest and dpkg -i *.deb them |
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| 05:37.24 | duxbarak2 | ok, i think that might work |
| 05:37.38 | odla | man icewm is fucking awesome |
| 05:37.52 | duxbarak2 | if i do that, will it install in order needed? isn't that a big part of what apt-get does? |
| 05:38.06 | duxbarak2 | icewm is fast as piss |
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| 05:38.25 | odla | well it might...but you could install it in a proper order if necessary for certain packages |
| 05:38.32 | odla | but i think dpkg -i *.deb should work |
| 05:38.43 | odla | is fast as piss a negative or a positive thing ;) |
| 05:39.04 | odla | like piss in the morning or piss when some guy is staring at you in the public restrooms? |
| 05:39.09 | duxbarak2 | positive, but i supose that it wasn't very clear |
| 05:39.12 | Flimzy | I sure am glad there are Torrent options to download Debian... since there aren't any seeds for the images I need :/ |
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| 05:39.19 | ashridah | did someone break ftp.us.debian.org ? |
| 05:39.24 | fooz | i did! |
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| 05:39.28 | duxbarak2 | the only wm that i've used thats faster is openbox |
| 05:39.29 | fooz | sorry! |
| 05:39.33 | odla | Flimzy: it's cause sarge is old now |
| 05:39.52 | odla | Flimzy: when sarge was just released there was a lot of seeds |
| 05:39.57 | odla | when the demand was high |
| 05:40.09 | Flimzy | odla: the testing image is actually what I wanted |
| 05:40.17 | odla | oh |
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| 05:40.54 | odla | it probably then that most people dist-upgrade from sarge you could wait till dec 2006 for etch to be released :) |
| 05:41.02 | Flimzy | it's no biiggie |
| 05:41.10 | Flimzy | I'm d/ling the business card stable image |
| 05:41.10 | ashridah | the only reason i ask is that crack-attack_1.1.14-5_i386.deb exists on ftp.us.debian.org, but it's giving me a 404 when i access it using apt. |
| 05:41.15 | Flimzy | and will dist upgrade from that |
| 05:41.23 | Flimzy | I was just hoping to get a testing image at a faster download rate |
| 05:41.26 | duxbarak2 | dec 06?!?! |
| 05:41.26 | odla | ashridah: crack-attack? what's that? |
| 05:41.30 | Flimzy | b/c this 100mb file is taking forever |
| 05:41.37 | odla | Flimzy: are you using wget? |
| 05:41.43 | Flimzy | odla: nah. |
| 05:41.48 | odla | it makes it quicker |
| 05:42.01 | ashridah | odla: a game. supports multiplayer over the net. fun, but it was an example, lots of other packages are doing the same, erroneously. |
| 05:42.22 | odla | ashridah: try a different mirror? |
| 05:42.33 | odla | ashridah: is that the game where you try to sell crack? |
| 05:42.50 | odla | duxbarak2: dec 06 pretty soon, eh? if they actually release it then |
| 05:42.53 | ashridah | hmm. looks like it might have been my proxy saving a broken result |
| 05:43.04 | odla | did you try apt-get update? |
| 05:43.05 | shogunx | odla i think thats dopewars |
| 05:43.09 | duxbarak2 | no, that's dopewars |
| 05:43.13 | odla | oh |
| 05:43.28 | duxbarak2 | fun game, esp. on a TI-86 in the middle of math class |
| 05:43.29 | odla | man what i wouldn't give for some crack right now |
| 05:43.36 | ashridah | odla: nah, it's just a clone of an old tetris-genre game (without being tetris-specifically) |
| 05:43.47 | odla | you can play dopewars on a TI-86? |
| 05:43.57 | Flimzy | odla: the stupid built-in dl manager in epiphany or whatever this is |
| 05:43.57 | Flimzy | wget doesn't make it quicker |
| 05:43.57 | Flimzy | unless you have to resume |
| 05:43.57 | Flimzy | which I won't have to |
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| 05:43.59 | duxbarak2 | yeah |
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| 05:44.31 | Flimzy | WTF? |
| 05:44.38 | ashridah | anyway, crisis averted, thx |
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| 05:44.44 | odla | Flimzy: you got busted! |
| 05:44.52 | Flimzy | I guess |
| 05:44.56 | odla | you pressed enter too many times in a row |
| 05:44.58 | Flimzy | I swear.. I'll never do it again... or something |
| 05:45.01 | odla | they thought you were a paster! |
| 05:45.08 | odla | !paster |
| 05:45.08 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 05:45.10 | Flimzy | I'll show you pasting!! |
| 05:45.20 | odla | !irritate Flimzy |
| 05:45.20 | dpkg | Flimzy: hi every1 who uses sound !!!1 |
| 05:45.25 | odla | ha ha |
| 05:45.26 | shogunx | not for long, apparently |
| 05:45.49 | Flimzy | okay, now where did the iso save |
| 05:45.54 | Flimzy | (stupid d/l managers!) |
| 05:45.58 | odla | hi every1 who uses sound !!!1 |
| 05:46.08 | Sonny | does somebody use Mercury? |
| 05:46.13 | odla | probably on Desktop/download |
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| 05:47.09 | duxbarak2 | g'night all |
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| 05:47.17 | odla | good nigth |
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| 05:47.33 | Flimzy | odla: yup... found it. along with about a million other things I don't want any more. |
| 05:47.34 | shadows | psst, i have an IBM T43p machine that needs some debian loving. the stumbling block is that its CDROM optical drive is on the SATA bus |
| 05:47.40 | shadows | what should i use to install debian? |
| 05:47.41 | odla | ha ha |
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| 05:48.07 | Flimzy | Shadda: so what's the trouble? There are SATA install images, AFAIK |
| 05:48.09 | nevyn | shadows: beat the etch di team with a stick.. I had to use dapper to install on a similar acer configuration |
| 05:48.21 | shadows | nevyn: ew. |
| 05:48.36 | shadows | nevyn: no experimental installer builds with 2.6.15 and a modified initrd? |
| 05:48.40 | shadows | :/ |
| 05:48.48 | fangor | i just tried making a kernel image with make-kpkg, and it only took like 10 seconds, and i can't find the kernel package, so i assume something's wrong. here's what happened: http://pastebin.com/553902 |
| 05:48.49 | nevyn | Flimzy: ATAPI on SATA is the problem there's a kernel option for SATA ATAPI passthrough that went into mainline at 2.6.14 but it's not enabled for the etch DI images :( |
| 05:49.08 | Flimzy | nevyn: So build your own kernel (module) |
| 05:49.08 | shadows | oh uh huh |
| 05:49.11 | dec | odla - dec 06 pretty soon? :/ isn't that like 10 months away? |
| 05:49.15 | Flimzy | woot |
| 05:49.18 | Flimzy | I get to zap OS X now |
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| 05:49.24 | odla | dec: yeah! pretty soon |
| 05:49.27 | Flimzy | (I wish this was as much fun as installing Debian over Windows( |
| 05:49.38 | odla | how long was it between woody and sarge |
| 05:49.45 | nevyn | Flimzy: for the installer.. welcome to hell.. |
| 05:49.51 | odla | !woody |
| 05:49.52 | dpkg | hmm... woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release(July/2006) |
| 05:49.53 | dec | odla - oh. I'm confused about your judgement of time :) |
| 05:50.00 | dec | holy shit. |
| 05:50.10 | Flimzy | nevyn: I've done it before... altho on much older installers. I can't imagine it should have gotten much *harder* |
| 05:50.14 | dec | Now I see. it is rather soon, relative to 2002! |
| 05:50.20 | odla | july 2002 woody; summer 2005 sarge; ~ dec 2006 etch...looks pretty good |
| 05:50.31 | odla | yup |
| 05:50.42 | Flimzy | odla: deb releases tend to get _farther_ apart, not closer |
| 05:50.48 | Flimzy | lets try dec 2010 |
| 05:50.53 | shadows | is etch a reasonable target to run? i have "etch" keyed in as my distro on an amd64 workstation, and it seems usable |
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| 05:50.55 | nevyn | Flimzy: it's somewhat easier. |
| 05:51.04 | odla | Flimzy: no they're already talking about releasing etch at the end of this year |
| 05:51.05 | Flimzy | nevyn: I would imagine. so what's the trub? |
| 05:51.11 | zerodni | thing got speed up on etch becase of debian droping alot of platforms |
| 05:51.16 | odla | shadows: i run etch...i think it's good |
| 05:51.22 | Flimzy | odla: They were talking about releasing sarge at the end of 2002 :P |
| 05:51.26 | dec | I knew debian releases were 'slow', but 3 years is insane. |
| 05:51.29 | shadows | odla: thanks for the op :) |
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| 05:51.36 | zerodni | but remember its not about release dates its done when its done |
| 05:51.38 | lazzarello | I run sarge and I think it's cool. |
| 05:51.39 | shadows | -inion. |
| 05:51.39 | Flimzy | hrm... I forgot how to boot a PPC from CDrom |
| 05:51.40 | nevyn | Flimzy: etch is experimental.. this hardware is appearing in the wild.. debian's installer should support hardware that appears in the wild |
| 05:51.43 | werld | i am used to old style, how do i mod what services start up, like used to be vi /etc/inetd.conf|kill -HUP inetd |
| 05:51.45 | odla | Flimzy: nah...you're full of poo i think |
| 05:52.01 | odla | nevyn: etch is testing...experimental is experimental...sid is unstable |
| 05:52.02 | nevyn | werld: that's very old style |
| 05:52.03 | shadows | werld: be lazy and use the new tool |
| 05:52.11 | Flimzy | odla: well, maybe a bit... but it's no exaguration to say that Debian releases *always* happen long long after they are first 'talked about' |
| 05:52.13 | werld | whats the new tool called |
| 05:52.14 | zerodni | sid all the way baby :P |
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| 05:52.23 | shadows | what is the new tool called ? i forgot |
| 05:52.24 | odla | Flimzy: true...they're done when they're done |
| 05:52.27 | shadows | it is ncurses based |
| 05:52.31 | nevyn | werld: sysVnit is what it's all about these days. |
| 05:52.36 | shadows | or something or other |
| 05:52.39 | werld | thnx. |
| 05:52.48 | Flimzy | nevyn: so install from some other hardware at first? |
| 05:52.50 | nevyn | werld: google for that. |
| 05:52.56 | odla | !start a wm war |
| 05:52.58 | dpkg | enlightenment blows chunks! |
| 05:52.59 | nevyn | Flimzy: that's evil too.. |
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| 05:53.11 | odla | yeah enlightenment sucks! |
| 05:53.22 | shadows | werld: rcconf i think |
| 05:53.22 | Flimzy | nevyn: Try Windows! Then you'll think it's less evil :P |
| 05:53.24 | nevyn | Flimzy: the annoying thing is you can talk to the disk or the cdrom depending which DI installer you use. |
| 05:53.28 | nevyn | Flimzy: windows sucks . |
| 05:53.36 | shadows | nevyn: heh. heh. |
| 05:53.46 | Flimzy | nevyn: exactly... so be happy you can install debian even if it's a pain |
| 05:53.52 | zerodni | have you guys herd about some distro that is basicly all debian sarge but it takes ubuntu xwindow for the xorg framework |
| 05:53.54 | shadows | nevyn: i remember for my amd64 workstation i ended up needing to use a PATA cdrom drive to get anything going on the SATA hard disk |
| 05:53.55 | nevyn | Flimzy: but it does let you load hardware support before saying.. "Sorry no disks found" |
| 05:54.07 | Flimzy | hrm |
| 05:54.08 | shadows | nevyn: and like you said... with SATA cdrom working, hard disk did not work |
| 05:54.10 | odla | night all! |
| 05:54.12 | Flimzy | wonder why I'm getting the spanish manual by default |
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| 05:55.42 | Flimzy | grr |
| 05:55.49 | Flimzy | maybe I need a Spanish mac keyboard |
| 05:56.13 | werld | but there has to be something default, i may be able to apt-get those files, but on a bare install, there has to be a way to mod services that start right? |
| 05:56.47 | shadows | it is time to stab Ubuntu. :( |
| 05:56.54 | zerodni | werLd, yeah you use run-parts |
| 05:56.54 | shadows | for installing so easily |
| 05:57.10 | konfuzed | shadows: pros and cons to everything |
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| 05:57.26 | konfuzed | but easy is certainly a big perk |
| 05:57.30 | Flimzy | MacOS X is a bear on a 350Mhz CPU |
| 05:57.31 | zerodni | shadows, what trobble are you having on debian |
| 05:57.35 | shadows | how hard can it be to upload some freaking sata-atapi modules [rant] |
| 05:57.44 | shadows | :( |
| 05:57.52 | zerodni | what mods are you needing |
| 05:57.56 | shadows | zerodni: want to install debian on a SATA-only laptop |
| 05:58.07 | shadows | zerodni: ideas? |
| 05:58.07 | werLd | Flimzy: i downloaded the iso and burned it, to dvd but i cannot boot from it |
| 05:58.15 | zerodni | what is the name of the sata mods |
| 05:58.28 | Flimzy | werld: on ppc? |
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| 05:58.53 | shadows | zerodni: it depends on the kver, with 2.6.15 kernel the SATA ATAPI is a supported module option of libata |
| 05:59.09 | shadows | i.e. you change the initrd image to set the option for that module, and it works |
| 05:59.31 | zerodni | ah you may be able to add them in what kver are you runging now |
| 05:59.33 | Flimzy | hrm... on a PC keyboard, which key translates to the Mac 'option' key? |
| 05:59.49 | shadows | zerodni: it doesn't matter, i will use whatever installer works. |
| 05:59.50 | Flimzy | and which is command? |
| 05:59.56 | werLd | Flimzy: no |
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| 05:59.58 | werLd | i386 |
| 06:00.00 | werLd | woot. |
| 06:00.10 | zerodni | are you using starge etch or sid |
| 06:00.13 | Flimzy | werLd, okay... so why are you telling me? |
| 06:00.15 | shadows | zerodni: i.e. no kernel running now because the laptop does not have anything on it |
| 06:00.35 | werLd | Flimzy: wondering if you were trying to do the same, and if you just burned the iso and it worked right away |
| 06:00.47 | shadows | zerodni: i would prefer to install etch, if possible |
| 06:00.48 | Flimzy | werLd: No. I'm trying to boot a cd image on a PPC |
| 06:00.56 | werLd | k.. |
| 06:00.57 | zerodni | if you want to get the most updated kver try using sid its like ubuntu |
| 06:01.07 | konfuzed | Flimzy: the ctrl key or alt key or the supposed MS-Win menu key |
| 06:01.08 | useruser | Flimzy: close your eyes and touch-type :) |
| 06:01.09 | shadows | oh |
| 06:01.10 | Flimzy | I'm not sure if my keyboard will allow it (!!) |
| 06:01.20 | omry__ | is it possible to activate verbose debug for cron? |
| 06:01.21 | zerodni | its what i use on most of my servers and have never had a problem anything that ubuntu will start it will |
| 06:01.29 | Flimzy | useruser: I've never used a standard mac keyboard (for more than a couple minutes, years ago) |
| 06:01.31 | shadows | i can't afford to have the OS die on me randomly it is a work machine |
| 06:01.36 | zerodni | its not as unstable as they say |
| 06:01.42 | shadows | oh? |
| 06:01.43 | shadows | :) |
| 06:01.54 | Flimzy | konfuzed: Hrm. My Powerbook G4 has Ctrl, Alt, *and* command |
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| 06:02.19 | zerodni | debian maintainers are to cushios |
| 06:02.34 | zerodni | sid would be like installing ubuntu |
| 06:02.48 | zerodni | ubuntu matches up with sid every too releases |
| 06:02.55 | zerodni | too =two sorry |
| 06:02.55 | shogunx | i hav never had a problem with sid running on many production machines |
| 06:02.55 | shadows | interesting |
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| 06:03.18 | shadows | shogunx: thank you for sharing that, it's news to me :) |
| 06:03.24 | fangor | i just tried making a kernel image with make-kpkg, and it only took like 10 seconds, and i can't find the kernel package, so i assume something's wrong. here's what happened: http://pastebin.com/553902 |
| 06:03.30 | Flimzy | ahh, looks like alt = option |
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| 06:03.41 | Flimzy | so I'll try alt+windows+o+f |
| 06:03.47 | Flimzy | (stupid apple key combos) |
| 06:03.52 | zerodni | shadows, what kind of machine is it going to be used for desktop or server |
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| 06:04.04 | shadows | zerodni: it's going to be a work desktop |
| 06:04.09 | Flimzy | woot, got the open firmware |
| 06:04.13 | zerodni | shadows, then your fine |
| 06:04.13 | shadows | zerodni: my "mobile" office |
| 06:04.15 | shadows | :) |
| 06:04.28 | shadows | so, the question remains, how to get debian on this laptop |
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| 06:04.38 | shadows | it has only SATA devices, one hard drive, one optical drive |
| 06:04.45 | zerodni | the only time i run sarge is when i have like a website or database server that i have run for like 5 years |
| 06:05.10 | zerodni | hell i have a sarge machine runing for 4 year strat |
| 06:05.10 | shogunx | shadows there is the obvious kludge of installing on another laptop, and changin out the harddrives. |
| 06:05.17 | zerodni | never been rebooted |
| 06:05.43 | zerodni | got to love ups |
| 06:06.14 | zerodni | well not a sarge machine but stable sorry for the error |
| 06:06.25 | zerodni | lol |
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| 06:06.32 | shadows | okay |
| 06:06.40 | shogunx | then there would be the method whereby you would replace the kernel/initrd in the install iso with your own that would work with the hardware, reburning the iso and trying it that way. |
| 06:06.42 | shadows | shogunx: not an option, i don't think so. |
| 06:06.49 | pablovar | hello |
| 06:07.16 | pablovar | ii am begginer i need help |
| 06:07.36 | zerodni | whats your trobble pablovar |
| 06:07.46 | shadows | shogunx: oh, that might work. i think that reburning an ISO is kind of beyond my level of tolerance. i will load things on with USB keys and floppy disks, but ISO9660 twiddling is not with me |
| 06:07.47 | shogunx | i had to do that to an older thinkpad, and used the same method on an IBM san. |
| 06:07.55 | pablovar | i am triyin to instal knnopix |
| 06:08.04 | shogunx | does that machine have a floppy drive? |
| 06:08.07 | useruser | shogunx: will knoppix boot for you? |
| 06:08.09 | shadows | pablovar: knoppix is not debian, sir |
| 06:08.15 | fangor | yayzors. make-kpkg finally decided to work |
| 06:08.17 | shogunx | can it pxe boot? |
| 06:08.29 | shadows | shogunx: pxe boot might be on option, yes |
| 06:08.32 | zerodni | its still debian at the core |
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| 06:08.36 | shadows | shogunx: i've set up pxe boots before |
| 06:08.37 | pablovar | i know but i don not where to look |
| 06:08.42 | useruser | shadows: will knoppix boot on it? |
| 06:08.52 | pablovar | no |
| 06:08.53 | Sonny | Can somedoby help me plz? I'm installin j2re 1.5, but my system doesnt recongnize it seemingly |
| 06:09.00 | shadows | useruser: hmm, ubuntu installed on it without inccident |
| 06:09.08 | shogunx | useruser, actually, the only cd-rom on my network is in an alphaserver 4100, which methinks there are no livecd's for. |
| 06:09.10 | zerodni | pablovar, can you get to a commad promt |
| 06:09.15 | shadows | useruser: debootstrap from knoppix? :( |
| 06:09.20 | Flimzy | Man |
| 06:09.25 | useruser | shadows: yeah, works for me every time |
| 06:09.27 | shadows | or Ubuntu, even |
| 06:09.31 | Flimzy | I thought booting a sparc without any removable drives was fun... |
| 06:09.32 | pablovar | i gues so |
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| 06:09.33 | shadows | humm |
| 06:09.42 | zerodni | can you see a desktop |
| 06:09.45 | Flimzy | this iMac puts that experience to shame... I think installing Debian on an iMac may be impossible |
| 06:09.45 | Flimzy | bleh |
| 06:09.51 | shogunx | Flimzy bootp? |
| 06:10.04 | Flimzy | shogunx: Does OpenFirmware support bootp? |
| 06:10.16 | shogunx | the sparc i meant |
| 06:10.25 | pablovar | well i sais that it was full instaled but i cant run it |
| 06:10.26 | Flimzy | oh |
| 06:10.28 | Flimzy | yeah |
| 06:10.30 | Flimzy | on the sparc I used bootp |
| 06:10.45 | Flimzy | I wish all computers supported network booting without an OS installed |
| 06:10.52 | zerodni | well knoppix is a live cd can you get to the live cd part ok |
| 06:10.55 | shogunx | bruce perens has an openfirmware reference on debian.org somewhere... i used it to boot an rs/6000 to install linux on. |
| 06:11.19 | shogunx | Flimzy that would be spectacular. |
| 06:11.27 | Mouse^G | Hi im going through the totural i got loaded in my head from befores stupid question ... Im ended up where i sould setup a small envoirement with apt-get but somehow it seems like i dont have connection to the internet and here is todays $100 question how do i make sure there is connecition and if there isnt how do i make connection |
| 06:11.36 | pablovar | yes i can |
| 06:11.48 | Shadda | ifconfig eth0 |
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| 06:11.54 | Shadda | now where's my $100 :) |
| 06:12.00 | zerodni | k yeah i just saw that you were on your knoppix machine |
| 06:12.17 | shogunx | Flimzy IIRC you can bootp from openfirmware, as least on the rs/6000 i could. |
| 06:12.28 | pablovar | yes , but i am runnig the live cd |
| 06:12.46 | Mouse^G | lets move on to the second part how i make connection because i got no connection |
| 06:12.48 | zerodni | ok what you want to do is drop to a comand term by hitting ctrl + alt then F2 |
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| 06:13.09 | zerodni | then loogin using knoppix |
| 06:13.36 | zerodni | and if that doesnt work you might want to type passwd root in termnal then give a new password |
| 06:13.58 | zerodni | then the command you want to do is knx2hd |
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| 06:14.06 | zerodni | and that will walk you though the install |
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| 06:14.12 | pablovar | whe i start uo the pc i can not go to the loggin |
| 06:14.20 | zerodni | this will wipe out your dirve |
| 06:14.41 | shogunx | shadows so pxe can be your attack vector, in this instance, to load a kernel that supports all your hardware. |
| 06:14.54 | zerodni | what loggin on the live cd did you take the live cd out |
| 06:15.06 | zerodni | affter you installed it |
| 06:15.21 | Flimzy | shogunx: I may have to look into that if I can't get it to boot from CD, then |
| 06:15.23 | pablovar | mbr? is that? |
| 06:15.37 | zerodni | you want to load mbr that is your master boot record |
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| 06:15.52 | zerodni | have linux install too that |
| 06:16.05 | pablovar | i have instaled |
| 06:16.09 | zerodni | good |
| 06:16.21 | zerodni | then you sould be good |
| 06:16.34 | zerodni | did it copy the files and have you reboot and you take the disc out |
| 06:16.50 | shadows | shogunx: i am shocked that you don't know of anyone who has already documented a full process to install to sata-only system |
| 06:17.08 | pablovar | no , i am not, i just follow the steps, but i can meke knnopix run a the start up |
| 06:17.37 | shadows | shogunx: i will start with http://linux.spiney.org/debian_gnu_linux_on_an_ibm_thinkpad_t43p |
| 06:17.39 | pablovar | whitout the live cd |
| 06:17.40 | Sonny | does somebody installed manually "java runtime enviroment"? |
| 06:17.40 | shadows | thanks for the advices |
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| 06:17.44 | zerodni | if you have it working on boot then what is your issue |
| 06:17.53 | zerodni | im confused |
| 06:18.00 | omry__ | my system keep crashing, is there a way to log processes starting and ending? |
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| 06:18.17 | pablovar | it isinstaled, but it is not working |
| 06:18.31 | zerodni | whats not working what is is doing |
| 06:18.47 | pablovar | it would be something wring whit lilo? |
| 06:18.48 | zerodni | omry__, all your logs are in /var/logs |
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| 06:19.13 | zerodni | the setup of hnx2hd sould write the lilo for you |
| 06:19.38 | Mouse^G | ok i found the connection problem how do i make it reconnect ? |
| 06:19.51 | omry__ | zerodni, I know, I didn't find anything significant in syslog. |
| 06:19.52 | zerodni | if you want you can write your lilo.conf in boot or reinstall using knx2hd |
| 06:19.56 | shogunx | Flimzy tftp for sure: boot ?server_ipaddr?,?file?,?client_ipaddr? |
| 06:20.20 | zerodni | the boot proses i think is in a subdirectory seprate from syslog |
| 06:20.21 | pablovar | i will thaks |
| 06:20.24 | zerodni | let me looking it up |
| 06:20.41 | zerodni | your welcome |
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| 06:20.58 | Acid`X | mhall, you there? ;o |
| 06:21.04 | pablovar | i realy like linux i will make and eford |
| 06:21.14 | shogunx | shadows: 1. i usually work with recycled hardware, so i do not run into much new gear, and 2. i usually just shoot from the hip. |
| 06:21.18 | zerodni | by the way pablovar if you want to install a system you might want to try debian sid or ubuntu they are better install systems |
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| 06:21.54 | deadcat | nvidia-setttings shows that my Bus Type is PCI, but its AGP. how this happen? |
| 06:21.58 | zerodni | alot of things brake when you try to install new software on knoppix |
| 06:22.22 | pablovar | yes i soul do, and i will, is just that i have a sata drive and ubuntu live cd diden recognize it |
| 06:22.27 | deadcat | zerodni: thats why its a live cd |
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| 06:22.31 | Loof | Before I head off...anyone have a suggestion on a file selection program for backup to DVD? Basically, I want somethat that give xxgigs of files will 'pack' them onto each DVD to maximize how much goes on each media. |
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| 06:23.05 | zerodni | ubuntu live doesnt always do the full install try it first before you install it should work |
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| 06:23.31 | Uriel_Darling | Howdy |
| 06:23.39 | Sonny | I have installed j2re from sun site, but when I execute "java -version" I still see I have the GNU version |
| 06:23.48 | Sonny | how can I change it? |
| 06:24.06 | pablovar | i will get debian, thanks |
| 06:24.08 | zerodni | sonny did you uninstall the GNU version before the compile and install |
| 06:24.20 | zerodni | make sure its unstable for ata |
| 06:24.31 | zerodni | sata i mean |
| 06:24.34 | Sonny | I dont know which is the package |
| 06:24.54 | zerodni | should be like java-runtime |
| 06:25.02 | zerodni | with like 1.4 or something |
| 06:25.12 | FliesLikeABrick | if i have a hard drive with an NTFS filesystem in one partition, and then a partition with an ext3 filesystem... what tool can i use to further shrink the NTFS partition to squeeze in another partition? Partition Magic sees the ext3 and shits itself, so that isn't an option. |
| 06:25.24 | zerodni | and did you make a package or just make install it |
| 06:25.56 | pablovar | does partition magic run into linux? |
| 06:26.10 | shogunx | FliesLikeABrick try gparted |
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| 06:26.19 | zerodni | yeah gpart is good |
| 06:26.30 | FliesLikeABrick | shogunx thatll take care of moving all the information from the NTFS filesystem the same way that PM does? |
| 06:26.30 | fangor | hey, what are the extra boot options for the install of sid? there's the normal boot/safe mode and then there is the same labeled "default". what is the difference between these two? |
| 06:26.31 | SerajewelKS | FliesLikeABrick: except that gparted can't resize ntfs |
| 06:26.34 | FliesLikeABrick | bah |
| 06:26.34 | Mouse^G | wooo hooo got it to work ... not that you care |
| 06:26.39 | FliesLikeABrick | so that doesn't help, does it? |
| 06:26.42 | SerajewelKS | FliesLikeABrick: partitionmagic can handle ext3 |
| 06:27.02 | FliesLikeABrick | SerajewelKS the PM that i'm running tries to load then errors saying that there is no drive letter for the second partition, then it exits |
| 06:27.13 | SerajewelKS | FliesLikeABrick: then you are using a shit-old version |
| 06:27.13 | zerodni | oh i thought he waned to rezie the ext3 sorry |
| 06:27.13 | Sonny | zerodni: I have java-common |
| 06:27.17 | deadcat | lsmod should show kernel tainted if the nvidia module is loaded right? i dont seem to see the word "tainted" |
| 06:27.22 | FliesLikeABrick | SerajewelKS i will look for a new version, thanks |
| 06:27.26 | zerodni | Sonny, java-common you need |
| 06:27.34 | shogunx | then again, who needs ntfs anyway? |
| 06:27.34 | SerajewelKS | FliesLikeABrick: PM has handle ext3 since >6 years ago |
| 06:27.39 | SerajewelKS | handled too |
| 06:27.42 | zerodni | so all the java is gone but that |
| 06:27.59 | FliesLikeABrick | i'm using version 8 SerajewelKS |
| 06:28.13 | Sonny | zerodni: I dont have java-runtime |
| 06:28.14 | FliesLikeABrick | which seems to be the latest |
| 06:28.38 | zerodni | ok then you may just have the ponters and configs did you remove or purge |
| 06:28.38 | SerajewelKS | FliesLikeABrick: um, no |
| 06:28.52 | zerodni | and did you make a deb or just make install the bin |
| 06:28.58 | Flimzy | woot |
| 06:28.58 | Flimzy | figured it out |
| 06:28.58 | Flimzy | had the wrong paritition number... who'da thunk the ONLY partition would be partition 10 |
| 06:29.14 | Sonny | zerodni: I have set de JAVA_HOME to my new java directory but my system still use the GNU's |
| 06:29.14 | deadcat | Flimzy: all your porns? |
| 06:29.17 | Azar | I can definitely see more activity on my box since I installed popularity-contest, I only hope it can work without email |
| 06:29.21 | FliesLikeABrick | SerajewelKS care to expand on that? |
| 06:29.29 | shogunx | deadcat all your porns are belong to us. |
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| 06:29.36 | zerodni | are all the configs gone |
| 06:29.46 | zerodni | from gnu |
| 06:29.48 | SerajewelKS | FliesLikeABrick: er rather, yes 8 is the latest but it sure as hell can do ext3 |
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| 06:29.55 | deadcat | shogunx: why you telling me that? |
| 06:29.58 | Flimzy | deadcat: huh? |
| 06:30.02 | zerodni | Sonny, how did you get rid of the old verstion |
| 06:30.03 | dmz | anyone know what module is used for accessing compaq smart raid? |
| 06:30.03 | FliesLikeABrick | then something is wrong with my PM install and i'll look into it SerajewelKS |
| 06:30.04 | shogunx | it was a joke. |
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| 06:30.06 | deadcat | Flimzy: joke |
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| 06:30.14 | jshriver | how do you enable dma? |
| 06:30.22 | Flimzy | deadcat: I figured as much... just don't get the premise of the joke. heh |
| 06:30.43 | deadcat | Flimzy: i assume you were tring to say part. 10 is important data (= |
| 06:30.46 | Sonny | zerodni: I dont know... it is there... |
| 06:30.52 | deadcat | jshriver: hdparm -d 1 /dev/DEVICE |
| 06:31.16 | Sonny | zerodni: How can I replace the old one with the new |
| 06:31.30 | jshriver | thanks |
| 06:31.32 | Flimzy | deadcat: I have a silly iMac... with 1 partition. and it's partition number 10. I just don't see the logic behind numbering the *only* partition on a system '10' instead of something normal like 0... or 1. but then it is a mac. who ever said macs make sense? |
| 06:31.33 | zerodni | how do you install packages Sonny |
| 06:31.38 | jshriver | hrm think I locked up my drive... ran it while cpying |
| 06:31.45 | zerodni | command line or gui |
| 06:31.53 | jimb0 | maybe it has to do with OS10 |
| 06:32.04 | Sonny | usually apt, aptitude or synaptic |
| 06:32.05 | jimb0 | (OSX) |
| 06:32.22 | jshriver | wtf... why am I onyl able to read 2.8-3meg a second on my DVD drive. |
| 06:32.27 | deadcat | Flimzy: my mac hd's first 3 partition is for system things. my linux part. starts from 4 and up |
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| 06:32.48 | zerodni | ok the easy way in synaptic is too jook for java and make sure it says that all the java-runtime is complitly removed you can do that by right clicking on it |
| 06:32.49 | xsquared | hi, how is it possible to remove ALL Kde components? |
| 06:32.50 | jimb0 | jshriver: is it on the same controller as the HD? |
| 06:32.53 | Sonny | zerodni: but the new java I downloaded the bin from sun's site... and executed it |
| 06:33.00 | Flimzy | deadcat: this was macos X. I'm installing Debian now, and will give the partition a good number this time! |
| 06:33.08 | jshriver | jimb0, no seperate cable |
| 06:33.15 | zerodni | the main problem with the new is you need to make a package not just install it it |
| 06:33.22 | jshriver | HD on master IDE1, DVD on IDE2 master |
| 06:33.49 | jshriver | but that still seems slow.. could cpy it from another puter over the network faster... |
| 06:33.55 | zerodni | by just installing it you messing with the echosystem that is debian LOL |
| 06:33.59 | jimb0 | trying to think of what typical performance is supposed to be on a dvd drive |
| 06:34.02 | jshriver | thought maybe DMA was disabled |
| 06:34.09 | jshriver | 8-9megs I think |
| 06:34.50 | jshriver | oh well.. :) at least it works hehe |
| 06:35.02 | Sonny | zerodni: so ? |
| 06:35.07 | Flimzy | hmm |
| 06:35.13 | Flimzy | need a good name for my iMac now |
| 06:35.18 | jshriver | think I might get a new one anyway... can get a nice new Lite-On DVDRW for $40 |
| 06:35.22 | zerodni | get rid of java in your /usr/local and let me get the link for the walkthough to install a deb |
| 06:35.34 | jshriver | Flimzy, name it Zaphod :) |
| 06:35.35 | zerodni | i mean make the deb |
| 06:35.38 | xsquared | how can i uninstall KDE? I don't want any program starting with k. (not trying to be racist) |
| 06:35.51 | jshriver | apt-get remove kde? |
| 06:35.56 | Sonny | zerodni: ok I'll follow the steps that you are gonna give me |
| 06:36.06 | Flimzy | jshriver: hehe... I name all my PCs from names/characters in the Chronicles of Narnia. It's complicated by the fact that I'm installing Debian in Spanish on this iMac... and don't know of any spanish names in narnia :P |
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| 06:36.39 | xsquared | jshiver: it doesn't do anything. it still leaves all of kde |
| 06:36.40 | jshriver | Flimzy, I do the same thing... I have a cluster here, each node named after characters in Sealab 2021 :) |
| 06:37.05 | jshriver | Flimzy: narnia was a good movie... not sure how names translate.. |
| 06:37.15 | zerodni | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 |
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| 06:37.31 | Flimzy | jshriver: I was naming my computers after narnia 10 years before that movie was concieved :P |
| 06:37.36 | zerodni | btw that site kicks ass you sould join and help others after you get for feet wet |
| 06:37.38 | FliesLikeABrick | SerajewelKS it still gives me "Partition's drive letter can not be identified" when it tries to start PM |
| 06:38.03 | jshriver | Flimzy: nifty, didnt know the book was that old.. I still need to buy them |
| 06:38.17 | Flimzy | jshriver: The 7 books were written in the 60's |
| 06:38.24 | shogunx | jshriver how many nodes have you got? |
| 06:38.26 | Flimzy | or earlier |
| 06:38.31 | Flimzy | I think CS Lewis died in 1963 |
| 06:38.36 | Flimzy | now that I think about it |
| 06:38.40 | jshriver | try "apt-get remove kde-core" hopefully all apps that require it will also be uninstalled |
| 06:38.49 | Sonny | zerodni: thanks |
| 06:38.49 | jimb0 | funny the topic of discussion should temporarily be cs lewis |
| 06:38.56 | jimb0 | i just began his 'mere christianity' book |
| 06:39.03 | Flimzy | jimb0: Beats some topics that come up here at times :) |
| 06:39.04 | zerodni | jshriver, that doesnt workk kde-core is just a vertual package |
| 06:39.07 | Flimzy | jimb0: Enjoying it? |
| 06:39.12 | jimb0 | just started the intro |
| 06:39.16 | Flimzy | ah |
| 06:39.18 | jimb0 | been starting my search fortruth |
| 06:39.20 | jshriver | shogunx: active or inactive? 14 nodes, 2 are dual so 16 cores... but I only have 2 puters on at a time... save on electricity... |
| 06:39.21 | Flimzy | well I thought it was a good book |
| 06:39.22 | jimb0 | to put it very simply |
| 06:39.30 | deadcat | just name your machines after james bond movies (= |
| 06:39.32 | jimb0 | ive been athiest my whole life |
| 06:39.34 | Flimzy | jimb0: I recommend "Finding Faith" by Brian McLauren. |
| 06:39.38 | SerajewelKS | FliesLikeABrick: then PM sucks |
| 06:39.39 | jimb0 | recently been attending churches |
| 06:39.45 | FliesLikeABrick | SerajewelKS agreed |
| 06:39.46 | deadcat | 001, 002, ... hahah |
| 06:39.47 | Flimzy | jimb0: Sort of a 'modern day' Mere Christianity... a bit more culturally relevant to many people |
| 06:39.49 | SerajewelKS | FliesLikeABrick: it handles my ext3 with no problems |
| 06:39.50 | jimb0 | just to stop being so prejudice against christianity |
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| 06:39.55 | SerajewelKS | FliesLikeABrick: even resizes it |
| 06:39.56 | jimb0 | sounds good man, ill check that out |
| 06:39.58 | jimb0 | thanks... |
| 06:40.19 | Flimzy | jimb0: I may have the spelling of his name wrong... if you don't find that, try McLaren, etc. |
| 06:40.38 | jimb0 | ya ill definitely find it |
| 06:40.45 | jimb0 | been reading a lot of stuff |
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| 06:41.29 | Flimzy | jimb0: I'm sure your search will be fruitful. In the words of Fox Mulder... "The truth is out there!" |
| 06:41.30 | Flimzy | :) |
| 06:41.35 | zerodni | well good night all |
| 06:41.46 | deadcat | nvidia-setttings shows that my Bus Type is PCI, but its AGP. how this happen? |
| 06:41.50 | FliesLikeABrick | SerajewelKS it looks like maybe my linux swap partition isn't ending where it should be or something |
| 06:41.59 | Flimzy | deadcat: AGP is PCI on steriods |
| 06:42.10 | FliesLikeABrick | i looked at the partition information with PM's "partitionInfo" tool and it said something about a partition ending past the end of the disk |
| 06:42.13 | deadcat | where are the people who knows shit tonight? |
| 06:42.31 | FliesLikeABrick | deadcat i believe that is normal |
| 06:42.32 | SerajewelKS | FliesLikeABrick: run fdisk under linux and if it complains too, that might be the problem |
| 06:42.35 | Flimzy | deadcat: is there a prob? |
| 06:43.01 | Azar | deadcat you were refering to me? |
| 06:43.03 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah SerajewelKS i'll probably try resizing my swap partition to be a megabyte or two shorter, to steer clear of any possible problems |
| 06:43.03 | jimb0 | yeah i hope the truth is out there, that'd be nice. |
| 06:43.07 | jimb0 | :p |
| 06:43.16 | deadcat | FliesLikeABrick: you sure? can you check your /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/host-bridge, if you have nvidia card |
| 06:43.24 | deadcat | Azar: if you can help yes. |
| 06:43.36 | Azar | deadcat sorry I only know shit |
| 06:43.51 | FliesLikeABrick | deadcat what am i looking for in there? |
| 06:44.03 | deadcat | Host Bridge: what it say? |
| 06:44.11 | FliesLikeABrick | Host Bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C693A/694x [Apollo PRO133x] |
| 06:44.24 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: mine says AGP 8x |
| 06:44.35 | Azar | AGP is the shit |
| 06:44.36 | deadcat | shit mine say "PCI device 1106:0605" |
| 06:44.54 | jm_ | that's PCI ID |
| 06:44.57 | SerajewelKS | Azar: hey is it possible to keep the mouse from going into dead space? |
| 06:45.03 | Flimzy | deadcat: what's the problem you're having? |
| 06:45.04 | Azar | jm_ to the rescue |
| 06:45.05 | Sonny | zerodni: I have a question.... following this method I will replace the GNU's java? |
| 06:45.20 | Azar | SerajewelKS: like what kind of tomb? |
| 06:45.52 | deadcat | jm_: nvidia-settings shows this: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/misc/nvidia-settings/xwd_20060213_22707.png <-- bus type is PCI, i have a AGP card. |
| 06:46.08 | SerajewelKS | Azar: like when twinview is set at different resolutions |
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| 06:46.47 | Azar | SerajewelKS: ah twinview, I never had the honor |
| 06:47.31 | SerajewelKS | Azar: you don't know of any way to prevent the cursor from entering a random rectangular region? |
| 06:47.33 | codept | hello, can i ask? my netinstall installation doesnt include netinstall-apt. Why? It should be there right? |
| 06:47.36 | FliesLikeABrick | deadcat hold on, i'm installing nvidia-settings to see what it says for me |
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| 06:47.44 | deadcat | FliesLikeABrick: thanks |
| 06:47.58 | FliesLikeABrick | bus type says AGP for me deadcat, sorry |
| 06:48.00 | jm_ | deadcat: it's OK, AGP cards show up in lspci |
| 06:48.13 | FliesLikeABrick | but i know that even with AGP, xorg addresses it as pci |
| 06:48.19 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah jm_ |
| 06:48.33 | deadcat | FliesLikeABrick: so there IS something wrong with my settings. or the bios |
| 06:48.36 | Flimzy | deadcat: Dude... what's the _problem_ you're having? is something not working right? |
| 06:48.40 | FliesLikeABrick | no deadcat i think everything is fine |
| 06:48.47 | FliesLikeABrick | if everything is working fine, then stop stressing |
| 06:48.50 | jm_ | deadcat: they are on bus ID 0:01:00.0 usually |
| 06:49.06 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah, whereas everything else is on 0000:00:* |
| 06:49.13 | deadcat | FliesLikeABrick: my agp card is seen as pci |
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| 06:49.17 | SerajewelKS | jm_: mine is on 0:02:00.0 |
| 06:49.19 | FliesLikeABrick | deadcat does it work? |
| 06:49.27 | deadcat | FliesLikeABrick: ya. crap as hell. |
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| 06:49.36 | FliesLikeABrick | then stop stressing and install the right drivers if it isn't working well |
| 06:49.51 | FliesLikeABrick | i need to sleep |
| 06:49.51 | FliesLikeABrick | gnite |
| 06:50.00 | deadcat | i have the right driver. |
| 06:50.24 | deadcat | jm_: you load nvidia, agpgart, and via_agp or what? |
| 06:50.30 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: nice, never seen that :) |
| 06:50.50 | jm_ | deadcat: no, I load nvidia only |
| 06:51.12 | deadcat | jm_: i tried to blacklist the last 2, but nvidia still loads agpgpart |
| 06:51.29 | jm_ | deadcat: yeah my kernel doesn't have support for it *blink* |
| 06:51.34 | deadcat | jm_: should i just remove those 2 modules from /lib/modules ? (= |
| 06:51.49 | jm_ | deadcat: tried aliasing them to off? |
| 06:51.58 | deadcat | jm_: where at? |
| 06:52.10 | SerajewelKS | nvidia always loads agpgart for me too, but the driver claims it's using nvagp *shrug* |
| 06:52.17 | jm_ | deadcat: /etc/modprobe.d/foo? |
| 06:52.22 | deadcat | k |
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| 06:54.25 | Flimzy | Is it important to keep a boot partition for OpenFirmware on a Debian-only iMac? |
| 06:54.48 | deadcat | i was told to put "agpgart agp_try_unsupported=1" in /etc/modules but it doesnt really do much |
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| 06:55.10 | SimonRaven | Flimzy: OF doesn't use any such thing |
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| 06:55.41 | deadcat | Flimzy: just let the debian installer do its thing. format entire disk and start from there. |
| 06:55.43 | Flimzy | SimonRaven: Hrm. Okay. does MacOS X us a special (32kb) boot partition? |
| 06:56.05 | SimonRaven | yaboot uses the bootstrap partition. this isn't /boot on a seperate partition, it's actually an hfs formatted part. with some files in it |
| 06:56.46 | SimonRaven | i don't know, nor do i care, frankly ;). yaboot's is 800kB |
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| 06:57.31 | zach | should i install jre or jdk ? |
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| 06:57.41 | Flimzy | SimonRaven: when I did the 'guided partition' thing, it put a 32kb "Apple" parititon as partision #0 |
| 06:57.47 | Flimzy | simonraven: was wondering if that's important or somethin' |
| 06:57.48 | deadcat | zach: d is for developement |
| 06:57.55 | SimonRaven | jdk is for development |
| 06:57.59 | zach | kk |
| 06:58.01 | zach | thanks |
| 06:58.09 | SimonRaven | 32 kB? |
| 06:58.24 | Flimzy | simonraven: double checking... |
| 06:58.26 | deadcat | fuck it. i am gonna watch porn! (= stupid nvidia |
| 06:58.32 | Flimzy | 32.3kB to be exact |
| 06:58.39 | SimonRaven | Flimzy: what's mac-fdisk -l /dev/foo say about it? |
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| 06:59.53 | Flimzy | SimonRaven: Apple_partition_map |
| 07:00.04 | SimonRaven | !tell Maliuta -about away |
| 07:00.10 | SimonRaven | don't touch that |
| 07:00.14 | Flimzy | sounds possibly important |
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| 07:00.32 | SimonRaven | that's not boot nor anything. it's what x86ers would call the partition table |
| 07:00.47 | Flimzy | gotcha |
| 07:01.03 | Flimzy | If I leave that alone... then I can create the rest of the partitions same as I would on x86 then? |
| 07:01.09 | Flimzy | swap, /, /boot /home etc etc? |
| 07:01.24 | SimonRaven | yes, but you need a bootstrap partition too |
| 07:01.48 | Flimzy | grr, wish I could make this thing do the guided partition thing again after I aborted it |
| 07:01.57 | SimonRaven | you can just do 'b' in mac-fdisk /dev/foo first thing, and then create the rest (/home, etc.) |
| 07:02.19 | Flimzy | are these other tiny partitions important? called Apple_Driver43, Apple_Driver_ATA, etc |
| 07:02.24 | Flimzy | all 28.0k |
| 07:02.28 | Flimzy | each |
| 07:02.37 | SimonRaven | only if you want to keep them for future mock os use |
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| 07:02.52 | Flimzy | no, don't plan to use macos on here |
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| 07:03.06 | Flimzy | if I ever do, I'll do a full reformat and reinstall |
| 07:03.08 | SimonRaven | or going to have some mock os partition there (you can always re-init if needed ...) |
| 07:03.12 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 07:04.00 | SimonRaven | otherwise you can just start fresh ('i') wiping those out, and then 'b' |
| 07:05.47 | Azar | I am readin the syslog, fascinating, whatever this could mean? kernel: Disabled Privacy Extensions on device c02fc1a0(lo) |
| 07:06.09 | Flimzy | I think I need to find something more challenging... installing Debian on hardware I barely understand in a language I barely understand isn't hard enough |
| 07:06.23 | SimonRaven | it's ipv6 related.. the driver disables them for certain interfaces |
| 07:06.27 | Azar | zulu? |
| 07:06.31 | Guerin | Flimzy: hurd |
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| 07:06.40 | Flimzy | Guerin: heh... that would be a blast! |
| 07:06.40 | SonnyBurnett | NickServ info SonnyBurnett |
| 07:06.41 | Azar | thank you SimonRaven :) |
| 07:07.00 | SimonRaven | Flimzy: really. it's too easy ;) |
| 07:07.15 | Flimzy | On the bright side, I now know the spanish word for 'delete'! |
| 07:07.24 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 07:07.44 | Lorvija | hey whats the max file size for fat32? |
| 07:08.09 | Azar | it is exasperating: I have removed exim and exim4 2 weeks ago, yet my logs are filled up with activity from exim, what did I do wrong? |
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| 07:08.18 | Flimzy | lets hope area de intercambio means 'swap space' |
| 07:08.22 | shogunx | Flimzy, on ppc rs/6000 i had to dd a kernel/initrd to a small PReP partition to get it to boot. |
| 07:08.34 | Azar | does Debian has to use exim or any mail client as we use our lungs? |
| 07:08.36 | shogunx | then boot that partition from OF |
| 07:08.42 | krassy1809 | may i ask here for knoppix problems ? |
| 07:08.48 | Flimzy | Azar: 1) it can, 2) exim isn't a mail client. |
| 07:08.48 | SimonRaven | no |
| 07:08.51 | Guerin | Azar: again, in english |
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| 07:09.02 | Azar | Guerin I try my best, Filmzy thank you |
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| 07:09.19 | SimonRaven | krassy1809: #knoppix |
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| 07:09.39 | Azar | Guerin: english: /USR/SBIN/CRON[25967]: (mail) CMD ( if [ -x /usr/sbin/exim -a -f /etc/exim/exim.conf ] |
| 07:09.51 | Guerin | Azar: that's not english |
| 07:09.52 | Azar | I should not see that since I have removed exim, right? |
| 07:09.56 | Guerin | Azar: that's logese |
| 07:10.02 | Azar | :) |
| 07:10.05 | Flimzy | I think I'll put all my files on a single filesystem! |
| 07:10.06 | Guerin | Azar: no. Read about cron. |
| 07:10.09 | SimonRaven | that's not english, that's geek |
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| 07:10.24 | Azar | ah cron, ok Thanks for the clarification |
| 07:10.39 | SimonRaven | it says "CRON" ... |
| 07:11.06 | Azar | SimonRaven: yep my eyes were only at exim... ok |
| 07:11.19 | edrin | new xorg in testing has a conflict with the nvidia-glx -> nvidia support gone :/ |
| 07:11.21 | edrin | why?? |
| 07:11.23 | SimonRaven | CRON vs. cron: CRON is a child of the parent cron daemon that runs the configured cron jobs |
| 07:11.25 | edrin | whats wrong? |
| 07:11.44 | SimonRaven | hence the different PID |
| 07:11.50 | SimonRaven | duh ;) |
| 07:11.50 | Flimzy | hmm |
| 07:11.55 | Flimzy | seems to think I need a NewWorld partition |
| 07:12.02 | SimonRaven | you do |
| 07:12.02 | Flimzy | at least I think that's what it said |
| 07:12.10 | SimonRaven | that's the 'bootstrap partition' |
| 07:12.30 | Flimzy | that's the one that needs to be 800kb +? |
| 07:12.56 | SimonRaven | ~800 |
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| 07:13.36 | fsd | i have a usb digital video camera how can i use it can anyone help me out? |
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| 07:14.00 | Flimzy | fsd: it probably mounts same as any usb drive |
| 07:14.07 | sep | !usb storage |
| 07:14.07 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 07:14.09 | fsd | it wont mount to sda1 ? |
| 07:14.22 | Flimzy | if you have the right drivers installed it should |
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| 07:14.40 | fsd | the drivers a on the cd and its for windows xp |
| 07:14.55 | Flimzy | don't use those drivers |
| 07:15.01 | Flimzy | use the drivers that are built into debian |
| 07:15.17 | fsd | can u tell me whats my frist step >? |
| 07:15.19 | tarzeau | deadcat: it's ugly |
| 07:15.24 | sep | fsd, read what dpkg said |
| 07:15.27 | Flimzy | fsd: plug it in. |
| 07:15.56 | fsd | yeh i have ? |
| 07:16.07 | fsd | sep im new to linux. |
| 07:17.50 | fsd | ? |
| 07:18.13 | Mouse^G | fsd try reading ... it helps |
| 07:18.19 | weissi | sep: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 07:18.49 | fsd | mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 07:19.18 | Flimzy | woot |
| 07:19.25 | Flimzy | I think the 3rd time's a charm |
| 07:19.28 | fsd | ? |
| 07:19.36 | Flimzy | it's installing the base system instead of complaining about an inadaquate newworld partition |
| 07:19.47 | fsd | english? |
| 07:19.53 | weissi | fsd: did you load usb-storage and sd_mod as dpkg told you? |
| 07:20.07 | ootput | is anybody here using arial unicode as their font of choice for u-rxvt/xterm? |
| 07:20.25 | fsd | how do i load sub-storage and sd_+mod ? |
| 07:20.29 | Azar | this is so amazing to see all that stuff in the logs, see how the machine wakes up and all .... fascinating |
| 07:20.29 | ootput | the font is ungodly large |
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| 07:21.00 | weissi | fsd: modprobe sd_mod usb-storage |
| 07:21.03 | dondelelcaro | ootput: if the font is too large, change what you're using as the -fn option, or what you have set as the font xresource. |
| 07:21.20 | fsd | weissi |
| 07:21.21 | fsd | FATAL: Module sd_mod not found. |
| 07:21.44 | dondelelcaro | ootput: although, you really should be using a fixed width font... |
| 07:22.29 | weissi | fsd: what kernel do you have? (`uname -a`) |
| 07:22.52 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:22.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:23.22 | ootput | dondelelcaro: yeah, i usually use fixed-width fonts (fixed, profont, proggy,) but I'm migrating to a larger display and so larger fonts. |
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| 07:23.25 | fsd | Linux stars 2.6.14-kanotix-9 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 28 10:17:53 CET 2005 i686 GNU/Linu |
| 07:23.31 | fsd | its debian based. |
| 07:23.37 | tarzeau | !debian based |
| 07:23.37 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
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| 07:23.44 | tarzeau | !based on debian |
| 07:23.44 | dpkg | somebody said based on debian was Sorry you're not running Debian, but something based off of it. If you're lucky you might get help in #debian, otherwise your best bet is to use the support channel for your chosen distro. If people tell you to go there, please don't argue/complain or demand support |
| 07:23.46 | ootput | dondelelcaro: fixed, profont and proggy don't scale so well |
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| 07:24.32 | dondelelcaro | ootput: fixed scales just fine |
| 07:24.40 | TurboBee | wow, I must say.... debian is absolutely awsome |
| 07:24.43 | TurboBee | no headaches |
| 07:24.48 | fsd | ... |
| 07:24.49 | dondelelcaro | ootput: -*-fixed-medium-r-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1 <-- that is what I'm using, FE. |
| 07:24.57 | TurboBee | infact, the only headaches I've had are why isnt this harder |
| 07:25.01 | ootput | dondelelcaro: forgot to mention that i'd like antialiased in the future as well :) |
| 07:25.02 | TurboBee | sorry my first time using it :P |
| 07:25.11 | weissi | fsd: read what people said. I'm not experienced in kanotix (it's the reason I'm in #debian) |
| 07:25.17 | dondelelcaro | ootput: on a big display, there's no point in getting them antialiased |
| 07:25.26 | fsd | yeh its same as debian |
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| 07:25.39 | SerajewelKS | fsd: then it would be debian, not kanotix |
| 07:25.50 | ootput | dondelelcaro: yeah |
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| 07:26.18 | dondelelcaro | (plus, on a properly designed font, antialiasing is kind of suboptimal |
| 07:26.19 | fsd | yeh ok |
| 07:26.22 | fsd | its debian |
| 07:26.31 | tarzeau | can't i read ufs2 from linux? |
| 07:26.45 | SerajewelKS | fsd: except that it's not |
| 07:27.00 | weissi | fsd: no, it is NOT debian, but as a tip: try `ls /lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/scsi/sd*` normally there is a file called sd_mod.ko |
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| 07:27.58 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: doesn't look like it's in the kernel |
| 07:28.15 | ootput | dondelelcaro: you wouldn't happen to know how to adjust the size of a ttf font via .Xresources? |
| 07:28.28 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: actually, scratch that. It's supposedly supported in 2.6.5 onwards |
| 07:28.30 | ootput | dondelelcaro: if you've used ttfs in the past |
| 07:28.34 | dondelelcaro | (but I don't see it in 2.6.15) |
| 07:28.51 | ootput | tarzeau: lovely filesystem on my bsd boxes |
| 07:29.01 | tarzeau | ootput: also on my debian gnu/kfreebsd |
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| 07:29.13 | ootput | what's the k in kfreebsd? |
| 07:29.19 | tarzeau | ootput: pity i had to give away the machine and had no time to rsync away the important stuff (got only the harddisk now) |
| 07:29.23 | tarzeau | !kfreebsd |
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| 07:29.26 | fsd | no |
| 07:29.32 | fsd | weissi its no there |
| 07:29.35 | tarzeau | ootput: see the faq in /topic of #gnu-kbsd short answer: kernel of |
| 07:29.39 | rilat | Why during the Debian installation are you asked to insert the hostname twice? (The first time during the network configuration, when the installer is running, and the second time after the first reboot, when finnishing the configuration) |
| 07:29.43 | ootput | tarzeau: ah |
| 07:29.53 | ootput | tarzeau: no userland shit then |
| 07:29.59 | tarzeau | ootput: debian gnu/kfreebsd is debian with linux replaced by freebsd kernel (but not bsd c library) |
| 07:30.03 | jm_ | ootput: xft:...:size=foo or pixelsize=bar |
| 07:30.04 | sep | rilat, that's only for the netinstall now it'snt it ? |
| 07:30.08 | weissi | fsd: then do `modprobe usb-storage` |
| 07:30.11 | tarzeau | ootput: yeah no broken ports deps |
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| 07:30.21 | tarzeau | ootput: but beautiful super cow powers and binaries |
| 07:30.40 | ootput | tarzeau: :) was it used in a production environment? |
| 07:30.41 | tarzeau | ootput: works surprisingly well, with jail, ipfw, sound, xorg, network... |
| 07:31.02 | tarzeau | ootput: see io.debian.net |
| 07:31.04 | ootput | tarzeau: no pf? |
| 07:31.05 | mike_ | hi, im using testing and im trying to install the nvidia drivers. i can't the nvidia kernel module cause it doesn't have my kernel. its only nvidia-kernel-2.6.14-2-386 and i have 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 07:31.07 | ootput | tarzeau: sure |
| 07:31.14 | tarzeau | ootput: i've been running it on two machines of my own as well |
| 07:31.16 | rilat | sep: is it independent from the hostname stored in /etc/hostmane? |
| 07:31.23 | ootput | jm_: i'd feed the alias to xft: ? |
| 07:31.23 | tarzeau | ootput: i think yes pf too, whatever freebsd has |
| 07:31.24 | mike_ | what can i do to install the nvidia drivers with my kernel? |
| 07:31.27 | ootput | jm_: not the entire font string? |
| 07:31.31 | weissi | !nvidia one liner |
| 07:31.32 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 07:33.33 | jm_ | ootput: not sure what you mean, faceName xterm resource controls it (i.e. the same as -fa) |
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| 07:36.29 | flippatix | .heise.de |
| 07:37.23 | mike_ | The following packages will be REMOVED: nvidia-glx |
| 07:37.23 | mike_ | The following NEW packages will be installed: xserver-xorg |
| 07:37.29 | mike_ | wtf |
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| 07:37.39 | mike_ | can someone help me please? |
| 07:38.00 | SerajewelKS | mike_: backport nvidia-glx from unstable or hold xserver-xorg |
| 07:38.24 | streuner | mike_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 07:38.50 | mike_ | 500 http://mirror.pacific.net.au testing/main Packages |
| 07:39.18 | streuner | and the first line? |
| 07:39.26 | mike_ | ii libc6 2.3.5-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 07:39.32 | SerajewelKS | mike_: probably the easiest solution will be: echo xserver-xorg hold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 07:39.50 | streuner | why he shouldn't install xorg? |
| 07:39.58 | mike_ | this isn't going to break anything right? |
| 07:40.09 | SerajewelKS | streuner: i thought he was upgrading? |
| 07:40.34 | mike_ | this was a clean install of stable, then i dist-upgraded to testing |
| 07:40.45 | streuner | !info nvidia-glx testing |
| 07:40.54 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-4 (etch), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
| 07:41.00 | SerajewelKS | mike_: get the natest nvidia-glx from unstable then |
| 07:41.03 | SerajewelKS | latest* |
| 07:41.04 | mike_ | how? |
| 07:41.57 | SerajewelKS | mike_: you can backport or you can just install the unstable .deb |
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| 07:41.59 | streuner | mike_: the version of nvidia-glx prolly depends on stuff from xfree86... |
| 07:42.05 | SerajewelKS | streuner: no |
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| 07:42.23 | SerajewelKS | streuner: the latest xorg in testing conflicts with nvidia-glx <= 1.0.7174 |
| 07:42.52 | SerajewelKS | 1.0.7174-4* |
| 07:43.08 | streuner | (in sarge) |
| 07:43.15 | streuner | i ment |
| 07:43.27 | SerajewelKS | streuner: what? |
| 07:43.39 | mike_ | :-s |
| 07:44.00 | SerajewelKS | mike_: pdo.debian.net/nvidia-glx |
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| 07:44.11 | SerajewelKS | mike_: install the unstable .deb and be happy |
| 07:44.21 | streuner | mike_: you already got the advice... |
| 07:44.36 | mike_ | NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
| 07:44.42 | mike_ | but im running xorg |
| 07:44.48 | mike_ | just do it anyway? |
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| 07:44.57 | streuner | !nvidia |
| 07:44.57 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 07:45.23 | sep | SerajewelKS, i have the latest etch. and apt-cache show xserver-xorg show no such conflict.. are you sure of that ? could it be that my norwegian mirror just havent got that package yet |
| 07:45.28 | mike_ | just do it anyway though? |
| 07:45.38 | SerajewelKS | mike_: yes |
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| 07:45.43 | SonnyBurnett | hey guys I've installed the java enviroment creating a deb package, but when I execute "java -version" I still see I'm using the GNU's |
| 07:45.59 | SerajewelKS | sep: what version does 'dpkg -l xserver-xorg' show |
| 07:46.22 | streuner | mike_: we told you |
| 07:46.38 | SerajewelKS | SonnyBurnett: so remove the GNU JRE. |
| 07:46.54 | sep | 6.8.2.dfsg.1-11 |
| 07:46.57 | SerajewelKS | !info xserver-xorg etch |
| 07:46.58 | mike_ | streuner: nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.8178; however: Package nvidia-kernel-1.0.8178 is not installed. |
| 07:47.04 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 (etch), Packaged size: 5767 kB, Installed size: 14912 kB |
| 07:47.08 | weissi | SonnyBurnett: update-alternatives --config java |
| 07:47.10 | SonnyBurnett | SerajewelKS; how do I remove it? |
| 07:47.25 | SerajewelKS | sep: ^^^ dpkg |
| 07:47.34 | sep | SerajewelKS, must be the mirror,. i just updated now |
| 07:47.42 | SerajewelKS | mike_: :< |
| 07:47.52 | mike_ | wtf |
| 07:47.53 | SerajewelKS | mike_: get nvidia-kernel-source from unstable too |
| 07:48.04 | SerajewelKS | mike_: wtf what |
| 07:48.25 | mike_ | i just want it to work |
| 07:48.32 | mike_ | thats all. |
| 07:48.32 | SerajewelKS | mike_: then use sarge |
| 07:48.44 | mike_ | sif sarge. old. |
| 07:48.45 | SerajewelKS | mike_: testing breaks. that's why it's not called stable. |
| 07:49.03 | mike_ | don't make me install ubuntu. |
| 07:49.06 | mike_ | LOL! |
| 07:49.11 | SerajewelKS | mike_: i told you what to do |
| 07:49.17 | mike_ | and im doing it |
| 07:49.24 | mike_ | thanks for your help |
| 07:50.26 | SerajewelKS | mike_: basically it's going to be something like: install nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx from unstable, `m-a a-i nvidia && modprobe -r nvidia && modprobe nvidia && apt-get install xserver-xorg` |
| 07:50.33 | SonnyBurnett | weissi: Thanksssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 07:50.49 | SerajewelKS | Sunblade: xset r off |
| 07:50.57 | SerajewelKS | s/Sunblade/SonnyBurnett/ |
| 07:51.23 | SonnyBurnett | SerajewelKS; excuse me? |
| 07:51.33 | SerajewelKS | SonnyBurnett: turns off keyboard repeat =) |
| 07:52.19 | SerajewelKS | in X of course |
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| 07:54.06 | pinks | anyone tell me what the best way to play videos including .wmv files is on sarge ? |
| 07:54.16 | SerajewelKS | !tell pinks about marillat |
| 07:54.20 | mike_ | Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. |
| 07:54.27 | mike_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.8178 |
| 07:54.39 | mike_ | ahh |
| 07:54.44 | mike_ | it better work this time |
| 07:54.46 | SerajewelKS | mike_: hmm, cruft from an unfinished install |
| 07:54.56 | SerajewelKS | mike_: dpkg -r nvidia-glx for the time being |
| 07:54.57 | weissi | SonnyBurnet is using Hurd ;-)) |
| 07:54.59 | pinks | SerajewelKS: Cheers :D |
| 07:55.06 | SerajewelKS | pinks: np |
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| 08:09.22 | romora | Anybody knows what is the reason for this msg: KWrited - Listening on Device /dev/pts/4 |
| 08:09.24 | romora | libhal.c 767 : org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceDoesNotExist raised |
| 08:09.26 | romora | "Service "org.freedesktop.Hal" does not exist" |
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| 08:11.14 | weissi | hi |
| 08:11.23 | romora | lo |
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| 08:11.53 | romora | weissi: u have the answer to my prohlem? |
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| 08:12.28 | weissi | romora: ;-) no, why did you think? |
| 08:12.34 | weissi | s/did/do/g |
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| 08:12.55 | romora | weissi: about what? |
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| 08:13.42 | weissi | romora: because you asked me if I know the answer to your problem... |
| 08:14.06 | romora | because u say 'hi' after i stated my problem. |
| 08:14.56 | weissi | romora: aah sorry, my irc client lists it before, but no, I don't even have an idea... |
| 08:15.14 | romora | no one awake besides weissi? |
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| 08:16.02 | romora | deadcat is truly dead now. |
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| 08:16.29 | opqdonut | i'm awake |
| 08:16.35 | opqdonut | at work, even |
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| 08:18.05 | shadows | okay, i'm back. i've tried modifying the ISO, and that works |
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| 08:18.14 | shadows | however what i'm doing to the initrd image is not working |
| 08:18.15 | shadows | :( |
| 08:18.32 | shadows | who knows how to modify gzipped cpio format initrd images for installer cds? |
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| 08:35.42 | ootput | is there a way to list all xft-renderable fonts in a system? |
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| 08:38.23 | ootput | would anyone mind sending me a unicode message |
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| 08:39.33 | Coweater | unicode! (utf-8 to be exact) |
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| 08:40.52 | ootput | Coweater: clever :) |
| 08:41.13 | Coweater | what would you expect? it's unicode |
| 08:41.58 | dondelelcaro | ¿üñÃçôdè? |
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| 08:42.11 | ootput | cheers dondelelcaro |
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| 08:43.00 | pipak | Hello, I'm quite a newbie on debian. I wanted to do a apt-get upgrade, but it tells me a package (xlibs-static-pic) has unmet dependencies. I tried to -f install the needed package, but it doesn't work (something about overwriting a file that is part of another package). What should I do? |
| 08:43.30 | SerajewelKS | !noob |
| 08:43.30 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 08:43.49 | _weissi | pipak: do you use stable,testing or unstable |
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| 08:45.13 | shaastra | i'm using etch and after a dist-upgrade my comp is left in an unusable state |
| 08:45.30 | shaastra | when trying to login it gives the message "system boot in progress - please wait" |
| 08:45.36 | shaastra | the filesystem is clean |
| 08:45.46 | shaastra | have already run resierfsck on it |
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| 08:46.40 | pipak | _weissi : It is knoppmyth, but if I understood well it's based on knoppix which is based on debian? |
| 08:46.54 | SerajewelKS | pipak: but is it debian? |
| 08:47.45 | dondelelcaro | shaastra: nologin isn't being removed |
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| 08:48.02 | psyco-obiwan | moinmoin |
| 08:48.03 | phu | anyone know how to disable cross-compile option, i am compile a software on mips plateform, but it say mips-linux-gcc: command not found |
| 08:48.19 | dondelelcaro | shaastra: basically, that means that for some reason, /etc/rc2.d/S99rmnologin isn't being run. |
| 08:48.43 | psyco-obiwan | anybody made successful a openmosix kernel for debian ? If yes, on which kernel version did you build ? |
| 08:48.45 | dondelelcaro | phu: uh... that sounds like you don't have build-essential installed |
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| 08:49.20 | pipak | SerajewelKS : debian? No, it's knoppmyth :) But as I said, if I undertood well, it's based on debian |
| 08:49.35 | SerajewelKS | pipak: exactly. wrong channel. |
| 08:49.41 | phu | I am compiling directly on mips device. |
| 08:49.41 | SerajewelKS | !based on debian |
| 08:49.41 | dpkg | i heard based on debian is Sorry you're not running Debian, but something based off of it. If you're lucky you might get help in #debian, otherwise your best bet is to use the support channel for your chosen distro. If people tell you to go there, please don't argue/complain or demand support |
| 08:50.03 | shaastra | thanks |
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| 08:50.11 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: based on debian =~ s/Sorry/<reply> Sorry/ |
| 08:50.11 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 08:50.14 | deadcat | pipak: shit based on food. do you eat shit? |
| 08:50.30 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: dude, that's totally not necessary. |
| 08:50.35 | deadcat | oops (= |
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| 08:50.39 | deadcat | didnt see an op here hahah |
| 08:50.44 | pipak | deadcat: ??? |
| 08:50.57 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it shouldn't matter if we're here or not |
| 08:51.01 | Nigromante | Hi |
| 08:51.22 | SerajewelKS | pipak: basically, knoppix and knoppmyth will manage their packages differently than debian. we don't care how they organize things and can't help when something on their system goes awry. ask them. |
| 08:51.31 | nayyares | i want to delete a non-empty directory on my server, when i FTP it, "rmdir" give me notice that the directory is not empty. which command option will work for it? |
| 08:51.47 | Nigromante | rm -rf ? |
| 08:51.48 | SerajewelKS | pipak: as a correlary, if something is "based on debian", then #debian is *not* the right place to ask. |
| 08:51.54 | Nigromante | ok |
| 08:51.56 | Nigromante | oh |
| 08:51.57 | pipak | SerajewelKS: allright, thanks for the answer! :) |
| 08:52.06 | SerajewelKS | pipak: np |
| 08:52.11 | dondelelcaro | phu: in any case, if you've got build-essential installed, whatever you're trying to compile should be using gcc, not mips-linux-yadayada anyway. |
| 08:52.16 | nayyares | Nigromante, rm is not supported in FTP |
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| 08:52.28 | Nigromante | yes, I realized that :-/ |
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| 08:52.35 | phu | I am trying now, thx |
| 08:52.48 | SerajewelKS | nayyares: no easy way. this is why there are smart FTP clients that will do this (generally only GUI ones will) |
| 08:52.57 | phu | how can I talk to you in this IRC |
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| 08:53.09 | dondelelcaro | phu: you are... |
| 08:53.21 | nayyares | SerajewelKS, any GUI FTP? light and smart :) |
| 08:53.22 | nayyares | ? |
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| 08:53.33 | rvalles | Is the grub on unstable (sid) patched to support splashscreens? |
| 08:53.39 | SerajewelKS | nayyares: gftp is okay, a little buggy but usable. |
| 08:53.40 | phu | still -> /pub/gnu/bin/mips-linux-gcc: Command not found |
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| 08:53.58 | Nigromante | could try a browser too ? |
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| 08:54.26 | SerajewelKS | yeah, konq or IE will do that.. any mozilla browser won't |
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| 08:54.47 | SerajewelKS | not to my knowledge anyway |
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| 08:55.22 | phu | I googled the problem, someone said the system think I am doing cross-compiling, and there is an option to disable it |
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| 08:55.41 | dondelelcaro | phu: uh... are you even running Debian? |
| 08:55.55 | phu | yes |
| 08:56.10 | phu | yes |
| 08:56.17 | dondelelcaro | phu: our compilers are in /usr/bin/gcc, not /pub/gnu/bin/mips-linux-gcc |
| 08:56.25 | blasyncoo | hello? |
| 08:56.29 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: sounds like he's compiling something with a hardcoded CC= |
| 08:56.35 | SerajewelKS | !greet blasyncoo |
| 08:56.35 | dpkg | Nihao, blasyncoo |
| 08:57.12 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: could be |
| 08:57.18 | phu | maybe |
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| 08:57.30 | deadcat | nayyares: gftp |
| 08:57.37 | blasyncoo | dpkg, ? |
| 08:58.01 | phu | so where should I change it? the Makefile or others? |
| 08:58.19 | dondelelcaro | phu: if it's set as CC=/pub/gnu, then just make CC=gcc instead. |
| 08:58.20 | SerajewelKS | blehsync: do you have a question? |
| 08:58.22 | tyler_ | how can i get brother mfc's to work in linux? |
| 08:58.47 | SerajewelKS | tyler_: brother mfc's? |
| 08:58.53 | psyco-obiwan | or could anybody outline the basic important steps on how to get a kernel compiled on debian (/w make-kpkg) with sources from kernel.org ? |
| 08:59.00 | tyler_ | yup,mfc |
| 08:59.06 | tyler_ | all in ones |
| 08:59.08 | tyler_ | u know? |
| 08:59.17 | deadcat | psyco-obiwan: same way you do it with debian kernel source |
| 08:59.17 | SerajewelKS | !tell tyler_ about u |
| 08:59.19 | SerajewelKS | !tell tyler_ about enter |
| 08:59.25 | deadcat | tyler_: no we dont know |
| 08:59.33 | Nigromante | tar xvzf linux***.tar.bz2 |
| 08:59.34 | SerajewelKS | tyler_: sounds familiar for some reason |
| 08:59.40 | Nigromante | cd linux*** |
| 08:59.49 | psyco-obiwan | deadcat: i remember sth about cramfs ? I dont need any debian specific patches to get the thing booting ? |
| 08:59.51 | phu | http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.html |
| 08:59.57 | deadcat | sth? |
| 09:00.00 | Nigromante | make-kpkg --initrd buildpackage |
| 09:00.07 | SerajewelKS | !sth |
| 09:00.07 | dpkg | sth is probably the airport code for Stockholm, or l33t-speak for "something" |
| 09:00.19 | deadcat | damn too leet for me to understand |
| 09:00.19 | blehsync | hehe |
| 09:00.31 | deadcat | i thought he was going for "sith" |
| 09:00.33 | phu | so where should I change it? |
| 09:00.37 | SerajewelKS | tyler_: have you tried installing debian on them? |
| 09:00.50 | phu | I have no idea where to find them |
| 09:00.51 | tyler_ | erm, im with slack though |
| 09:00.53 | tyler_ | :( |
| 09:00.59 | deadcat | tyler_: this aint slack |
| 09:01.02 | SerajewelKS | tyler_: then what the hell are you asking here for |
| 09:01.28 | blehsync | is slack still alive? |
| 09:01.31 | Nigromante | microsoft foundation classes ' |
| 09:01.33 | Nigromante | ? |
| 09:01.35 | deadcat | blehsync: yes. hella |
| 09:01.38 | psyco-obiwan | phu: "Sorry, no posts matched your criteria." |
| 09:01.38 | ootput | deadcat: remember that font? :) I'm trying to get it on my terms with xft: |
| 09:01.38 | dondelelcaro | blehsync: #slackware would know |
| 09:01.40 | blehsync | :) |
| 09:01.47 | deadcat | ootput: hehe. |
| 09:01.51 | ootput | deadcat: quite a feat as apparently the actions i take amount to jack shit |
| 09:02.13 | phu | psyco-obiwan phu: "Sorry, no posts matched your criteria." |
| 09:02.19 | blehsync | awesome, the hardcore users of slack |
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| 09:02.41 | dondelelcaro | phu: anyway, what are you trying to build? what does the makefile look like? |
| 09:02.49 | Nigromante | could anyone tell me about a good C++ IDE for debian ? |
| 09:02.51 | ootput | slack is still a viable option |
| 09:02.59 | deadcat | ootput: why not just normal font and jack up the fontsize instead? |
| 09:03.04 | psyco-obiwan | phu: the link you kindly sent says that |
| 09:03.07 | dondelelcaro | Nigromante: (emacs|vi)+make+gcc+gdb |
| 09:03.10 | phu | I am trying to install Madwifi |
| 09:03.22 | Nigromante | and Graphical one? |
| 09:03.22 | dondelelcaro | Nigromante: mix in your favorite shell and xterm, and you're good to go. |
| 09:03.49 | dondelelcaro | Nigromante: uh... graphical IDEs are garbage. You just need a good editor, and you're good to go. |
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| 09:03.52 | ootput | deadcat: it's too legible for me to pass on the opportunity :) |
| 09:03.54 | phu | I am trying to install Madwifi |
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| 09:03.57 | Nigromante | ok... |
| 09:04.13 | ootput | deadcat: i dunno, i guess it's my new toy, so I'm rather loyal :D |
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| 09:04.23 | deadcat | (= |
| 09:04.43 | Nigromante | (I like autocompletion and thinks like that, I'm lazy) Anyway |
| 09:04.55 | nkuttler | Nigromante: some like kdevelop |
| 09:05.15 | Nigromante | I tried installing anjuta, but it's broken in testing |
| 09:05.41 | ootput | Nigromante: there are many resource-wasting ides out there, so that's why most prefer to stick to their fav editor of choice and dev tools |
| 09:05.42 | Nigromante | (using gnome) |
| 09:05.53 | Nigromante | ok ootput thx |
| 09:05.58 | SerajewelKS | Nigromante: C++ is deprecated. monodevelop! </sarcasm> |
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| 09:06.33 | tarzeau | don't forget Objective-C |
| 09:06.41 | blehsync | "you men are obsolete" -- nameless movie |
| 09:06.42 | ootput | ew |
| 09:07.01 | buu | Hrm. Anyone know of a 'explorer' like program that isn't attached to a to a complete Desktop Environment? (Folder navigation, shows files in folders, and stuff) |
| 09:07.08 | blehsync | the facts, it's not :) |
| 09:07.12 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: whoever came up with objc's syntax needs to be shot |
| 09:07.14 | shadows | deadcat: hey, do you know about the debian installer? i just went through and modified a debian installer netinst ISO's initrd such that the file "etc/modprobe.d/libata" contains a line "options libata atapi_enabled=1"; after doing all this, and burning to CDR, and booting, the dmesg says that ATAPI is disabled and ignores my device. what did i miss? |
| 09:07.16 | Nigromante | yep, the funny thing is getting mono running in debian |
| 09:07.20 | Guerin | buu: only about 100 |
| 09:07.21 | SerajewelKS | buu: ls |
| 09:07.24 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: whoever uses c++ should be shot |
| 09:07.33 | blehsync | C++ is the god |
| 09:07.45 | blehsync | ever |
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| 09:07.52 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: would solve the overpopulation "problem" =) |
| 09:07.54 | Nigromante | Although real men use assembly language... |
| 09:07.54 | deadcat | shadows: i dont know. never mess with fancy stuff like that... |
| 09:07.57 | shadows | oh |
| 09:08.00 | shadows | whom might i ask? |
| 09:08.06 | buu | SerajewelKS: The font is too small =[ |
| 09:08.09 | blehsync | i doubt |
| 09:08.10 | deadcat | anyone here. |
| 09:08.12 | buu | SerajewelKS: and it tends to go away |
| 09:08.13 | shadows | heh |
| 09:08.16 | buu | Guerin: So what are a few? |
| 09:08.17 | shadows | anyone else, then? |
| 09:08.34 | SerajewelKS | buu: mc? |
| 09:08.40 | shadows | it was suggested to me that i modify the image in the manner i have just so done |
| 09:08.47 | shadows | it ain't workin' :/ |
| 09:09.02 | blehsync | nobody is here, except outlaws |
| 09:09.11 | buu | SerajewelKS: Er, isn't that text only? |
| 09:09.31 | SerajewelKS | buu: sure. it's not attached to a complete DE. |
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| 09:09.37 | Guerin | buu: mc, emelfm, gentoo, endeavour2, dfm, ytree, |
| 09:09.39 | buu | SerajewelKS: See, my problem is, text is damn hard to read |
| 09:09.40 | SerajewelKS | buu: quite decent, too |
| 09:09.53 | Guerin | buu: omg! what do you read if you don't read text? |
| 09:09.55 | SerajewelKS | buu: so change your DPI settings in your X config |
| 09:10.03 | buu | Guerin: I don't need to read anything |
| 09:10.05 | ootput | deadcat: I've only seen the font mentioned once in coding circles (comment #121 @ http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/12/6/11739/5249) The others don't know what they're missing :) |
| 09:10.09 | buu | SerajewelKS: I don't think it goes any higher |
| 09:10.10 | SerajewelKS | buu: or change your console font |
| 09:10.14 | Guerin | buu: sure you do |
| 09:10.15 | buu | Guerin: It just needs to play video! |
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| 09:10.25 | buu | Ahh, endeavour.. |
| 09:10.30 | Guerin | buu: otherwise how will you know what dir you're in, or what file you're working on? |
| 09:10.38 | Guerin | buu: oh. You need a video player, not a filemanager |
| 09:10.38 | buu | Guerin: Good question |
| 09:10.43 | buu | Guerin: Well, yeah, probably |
| 09:11.04 | he1ix | hi, i'm having severe problems on upgrading tetex-base in testing... |
| 09:11.07 | buu | Hrm. Maybe one of the mplayer frontends? |
| 09:11.33 | deadcat | ootput: i dont know if its your screenshot or what. but it doesnt look THAT good (= |
| 09:11.35 | he1ix | dpkg yields the following: |
| 09:11.35 | he1ix | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::logic_error' |
| 09:11.36 | he1ix | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.36 | Guerin | he1ix: you might want to change nicks so people don't think you're impersonating a chanop |
| 09:11.47 | Guerin | he1ix: and you also might want to not paste |
| 09:12.01 | deadcat | Guerin: nobody care about the nick |
| 09:12.20 | blehsync | mmm |
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| 09:12.22 | he1ix | Guerin: i'm not impersonating somebody, thats my default nick... |
| 09:12.32 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:12.35 | ootput | deadcat: yeah, it's your impaired sight :D |
| 09:12.36 | blehsync | O.o |
| 09:12.41 | deadcat | hehehe |
| 09:12.43 | deadcat | shit on me |
| 09:12.45 | Guerin | hell, it's not like I care,I'm just sayin' |
| 09:12.56 | buu | Guerin: Hrm. Any ideas on the video player front? |
| 09:13.00 | he1ix | Guerin: and i think my two lines are not really a flood... |
| 09:13.15 | buu | Except it needs to be keyboard only |
| 09:13.25 | SerajewelKS | buu: aaxine |
| 09:13.39 | _weissi | SerajewelKS: *g*, aaxine rocks! |
| 09:13.40 | Guerin | buu: vlc, xine,mplayer |
| 09:13.40 | shadows | ignore the Grue, it feeds on people entering the channel cavemouth. |
| 09:13.41 | buu | SerajewelKS: hahaa |
| 09:13.42 | dondelelcaro | he1ix: does it throw that error always? what is the full output of a dpkg --configure -a; run? apt-get -f install? |
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| 09:13.50 | he1ix | dondelelcaro: yep, it does |
| 09:13.51 | buu | Guerin: Er, that doesn't help my essential problem |
| 09:13.56 | deadcat | buu: mplayer -vo caca i think |
| 09:13.56 | dondelelcaro | he1ix: use the paster bot to provide us with the full output. |
| 09:13.56 | Guerin | buu: mplayer is the only keyboard-only video player |
| 09:14.00 | he1ix | tried to upgrade, remove, purge... |
| 09:14.02 | Guerin | buu: why not? |
| 09:14.07 | he1ix | dondelelcaro: there's not much more... |
| 09:14.14 | buu | Guerin: Yes, I'm using mplayer. My problem is finding and selecting the files to play. |
| 09:14.21 | buu | Guerin: CLI way is ugly for a number of reasons |
| 09:14.23 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: what? xine has keyboard navigation. |
| 09:14.50 | SerajewelKS | buu: checked out pornview? |
| 09:15.12 | dondelelcaro | buu: mplayer foopath is too ugly? |
| 09:15.16 | buu | SerajewelKS: Doesn't seem to be a description |
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| 09:15.24 | buu | dondelelcaro: Yeah, among other things |
| 09:15.34 | SerajewelKS | buu: apt-cache show pornview? |
| 09:15.40 | dondelelcaro | hrm. well, good luck finding one. |
| 09:15.40 | buu | dondelelcaro: For one thing, typing is difficult because I don't have a desk for the keyboard I'mc ontrolling it with |
| 09:15.44 | ootput | buu: you just can't dress it up well, is all |
| 09:15.48 | deadcat | ootput: at first when i look at the chris rock, silent bob, jay, and the lady. i didnt know where that was from, but i caught a glimps of the movie dogma.. hahah.. |
| 09:15.56 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: it doesn't have 100% keyboard navigation, as mplayer does |
| 09:15.59 | dondelelcaro | buu: oh, is this some sort of media computer or something? |
| 09:16.00 | ootput | deadcat: ehhe |
| 09:16.01 | Guerin | or didn't last I used it |
| 09:16.03 | buu | dondelelcaro: Yar. |
| 09:16.19 | buu | Honestly I just want a mythfrontend that wasn't designed by brainless cretins =[ |
| 09:16.27 | buu | (well, mythvideoplayer) |
| 09:16.28 | dondelelcaro | buu: you should be able to get nautilus or similar to work; mythtv probably also has some modules |
| 09:16.50 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: hrm, it has enough to get me by (change volume, change track, seek, fullscreen, etc) |
| 09:17.01 | buu | dondelelcaro: Nautilus? |
| 09:17.11 | buu | Oh there it is. |
| 09:17.22 | buu | Yeah that was the basic idea |
| 09:17.23 | he1ix | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1824 (what else can i provide?) |
| 09:17.31 | buu | It's not really perfect though, so |
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| 09:18.05 | buu | Meh. I'll go make my own. As soon as I figure out how =[ |
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| 09:18.16 | dondelelcaro | he1ix: and you've dpkg -i'ed tetex-base? |
| 09:18.24 | deadcat | buu: good luck... shooot |
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| 09:18.50 | netman1 | [experts only ;-) ] What would be the best place to do an 'ifconfig lo netmask 255.255.255.255' in /etc/rc[0-6S].d/S* |
| 09:18.55 | he1ix | dondelelcaro: maybe i should re-download it and try again, but yes, i already did that. |
| 09:19.05 | dondelelcaro | netman1: in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 09:19.15 | buu | deadcat: Except now I can't get wxperl to compile =[ |
| 09:19.17 | dondelelcaro | netman1: no other place makes sense. |
| 09:19.24 | netman1 | dondelelcaro: does not work, already tried. |
| 09:19.28 | deadcat | buu: you cant get jack to install... |
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| 09:19.30 | dondelelcaro | netman1: sure it works. |
| 09:19.37 | buu | deadcat: No |
| 09:19.39 | netman1 | No, it does not. ;-) |
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| 09:19.41 | buu | I can install things fine |
| 09:19.42 | dondelelcaro | netman1: do you have an auto lo; and iface lo loopback? |
| 09:19.47 | buu | And it actually compiles |
| 09:19.50 | buu | It just segfaults =[ |
| 09:19.59 | netman1 | Dondelelcaro: correct. |
| 09:20.08 | dondelelcaro | netman1: so ifdown lo; ifup lo; |
| 09:20.18 | dondelelcaro | netman1: then check to make sure that lo is up properly. |
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| 09:20.42 | netman1 | Dondelelcaro: I'll try again, for your sake ;-) |
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| 09:20.59 | dondelelcaro | netman1: if you really want the netmask set to 255.255.255.255 (why is beyond me), you'll need to add an up command to do that, of course. |
| 09:21.11 | adam_ | hello. i'm trying to use apt to install qt3-dev-tools (i need qmake) but when i do, it says it's going to remove every kde package, does anybody know why? and how to get around this? |
| 09:21.29 | dondelelcaro | adam_: are you running unstable or something? |
| 09:21.33 | adam_ | yea |
| 09:21.43 | quik_ | when I run /etc/fstab I get permission denied, .. when I sudo /etc/fstab I get |
| 09:21.45 | adam_ | revert to stable? |
| 09:21.52 | Guerin | quik_: you don't RUN fstab |
| 09:21.53 | quik_ | command not found |
| 09:22.14 | quik_ | oh, you edit it |
| 09:22.27 | SerajewelKS | !captain obvious quik_ |
| 09:22.35 | quik_ | yay! |
| 09:22.44 | dondelelcaro | adam_: actually, you should be able to install it on at least the newest unstable; if you're having problems, use the ncurses interface to aptitude to walk through the conflicts and resolve them. |
| 09:22.46 | adam_ | that needs to be the topic "quik_: you don't RUN fstab, you edit it" |
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| 09:23.10 | Guerin | adam_: i think the topic should be "you don't run unstable, it runs you." |
| 09:23.17 | adam_ | haha. |
| 09:23.21 | Guerin | and not just in soviet russia |
| 09:23.32 | adam_ | yea, i reverted back to stable, and now it's installing. |
| 09:23.34 | he1ix | dondelelcaro: ok, re-downloading solved the problem. really strange. maybe i shouldn't have interrupted the first download... |
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| 09:23.47 | dondelelcaro | he1ix: yes, that almost definetly was it. |
| 09:23.47 | quik_ | how can I view the partitions that exist on all the drives in my system? |
| 09:23.49 | he1ix | dondelelcaro: so, never mind. thanks anyway. |
| 09:23.53 | quik_ | so that I can mount the ones that I want |
| 09:23.56 | SerajewelKS | quik_: cat /proc/partitions |
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| 09:24.36 | adam_ | quad3datwork2, fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 09:24.42 | netman1 | Dondelelcaro: tried and failed again. (The why is that you can't test for extra lo interfaces being up because every address in 127.0.0.0/8 reacts) |
| 09:24.46 | SerajewelKS | one day i spent hours exploring /proc... there's some nifty shit in there |
| 09:24.54 | adam_ | subsitute /dev/hda with what ever drive you want to look at |
| 09:25.04 | adam_ | quik_, fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 09:25.14 | SerajewelKS | adam_: /proc/partitions is simpler |
| 09:25.18 | dondelelcaro | netman1: yes, because there's really no point to having extra lo interfaces.... |
| 09:25.48 | dondelelcaro | netman1: in any case, paste your lo stanza into #flood |
| 09:25.52 | netman1 | Yes there is: faking a complete network with correct hostnames for applications in a stand alone situation. |
| 09:27.07 | quik_ | what are the best fstab settings for windows ntfs volumes? |
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| 09:27.29 | Guerin | quik_: none |
| 09:27.34 | dondelelcaro | !tell quik_ -about ntfsro |
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| 09:28.57 | dondelelcaro | netman1: specifying the address and netmask isn't going to do anything for you. |
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| 09:33.09 | oldman | does anyone have a favorite application/means of filling out pdf forms (other than using gimp one little box at a time @#$!)? |
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| 09:34.34 | Guerin | oldman: my favourite application is emailing the people who use them and asking them to provide a way for me to fill in the form without using craprobat |
| 09:34.43 | Guerin | or printing them out and filling them in by hand |
| 09:35.01 | Guerin | or running pdftotext over them, filling them out that way, and submitting them by email |
| 09:35.09 | netman1 | dondelelcaro: Due to a stupid mistake on my side, probably missed your comment on my answer to your 'Why?'. Care to repeat? |
| 09:35.09 | oldman | Guerin: yes, i agree... unfortunately this would be a prospective employer, so.... |
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| 09:35.27 | knite | Guerin: I've gone as far as rasterizing it and filling in the image... |
| 09:35.57 | Guerin | knite: heh, cool |
| 09:36.09 | Guerin | knite: if you re-make it into a pdf, most people probably wouldn't notice |
| 09:36.14 | oldman | Guerin: by hand is certainly my second likely choice -sigh- someone needs to write some gimp/python/perl utility for this, and i think that someone will be me... *eventually* |
| 09:36.23 | Guerin | oldman: you probably don't want to work for this company |
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| 09:36.49 | Guerin | oldman: i don't believe this functionality is actually part of the adobe pdf spec |
| 09:37.04 | Guerin | but then, we all know how much adobe care about the pdf spec |
| 09:37.11 | ParoXsitiC | Hello I am having major issues to what appears to be the DHCP software on linux. I would like assistance on how I can set my DHCP connection and run it as a temp. static (comcast only changes IPs every 4-6 months) |
| 09:37.16 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/adobe.txt |
| 09:37.25 | oldman | Guerin: alas, employment opportunities are scarce enough... |
| 09:37.47 | knite | ParoXsitiC: do you want to change it manually every 4-6mo? |
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| 09:37.53 | ParoXsitiC | yeah im fine with that |
| 09:37.55 | muhammed3 | hello, my box is running mysql for a year, and it processs a lot of data, how can i optimize the mysql server to be sure it runs still fast enough |
| 09:38.05 | nkuttler | oldman: last time i checked acrobat for linux could be used for forms |
| 09:38.07 | Guerin | oldman: heh. I'm 10 days away from being unemployed and homeless, I wouldn't know :) |
| 09:38.08 | ParoXsitiC | i just want a connection that doesn't disconnect everytime i have high traffic |
| 09:38.16 | Guerin | oldman: by choice, too! |
| 09:38.24 | ParoXsitiC | knite: yeah im fine with that |
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| 09:38.31 | oldman | Guerin: you're a braver person than me. |
| 09:38.46 | blehsync | Guerin, o.o |
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| 09:38.55 | knite | ParoXsitiC: then you might want to do without DHCP altoghether.. hand code your config files |
| 09:38.55 | oldman | Guerin: thank you for the advice, of course! |
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| 09:39.14 | ParoXsitiC | knite: I know. this is what i was asking for assitance |
| 09:39.24 | boyd | muhammed3: You might like to try #mysql |
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| 09:39.39 | blehsync | Guerin, what's going? |
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| 09:39.51 | knite | ParoXsitiC: man interfaces |
| 09:39.52 | ParoXsitiC | knite: what settings in /etc/network/interfaces would i need besides #iface eth0 inet static |
| 09:39.52 | ParoXsitiC | # address 71.197.31.135 |
| 09:40.23 | knite | ParoXsitiC: the file you want to hand code would be /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:40.32 | ParoXsitiC | knite: i have a good understanding of interfaces and have scanned the man. of it, what connections would comcast require for me to connect |
| 09:40.35 | _weissi | ParoXsitiC: normally a gateway and a netmask would be good... |
| 09:40.36 | Guerin | blehsync: http://rt2k6.feayn.org |
| 09:40.49 | knite | ParoXsitiC: and /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:40.51 | ParoXsitiC | weissi: thanks, i figured as much. I need help in finding my gateway server |
| 09:41.04 | ParoXsitiC | knite: my DNS servers are set |
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| 09:41.38 | ParoXsitiC | weissi: I know how to get the gateway server on windows, but I dont know how i attain that info VIA linux, ifconfig does not show my current comcast gateway |
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| 09:41.54 | knite | ParoXsitiC: you could use the same values you get from windows... |
| 09:41.56 | _weissi | ParoXsitiC: get a dhcp ip and do `route | grep default`, it will give you the gateway ip address |
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| 09:42.27 | pinks | Where are the files stored temporarily when I am viewing a page in a browser? They aren't in /tmp so any ideas? |
| 09:42.39 | \amethyst | pinks: the cache directory |
| 09:42.46 | pinks | firefox on Sarge |
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| 09:42.54 | ParoXsitiC | weissi: please explain 'dhcp i[ |
| 09:42.56 | ParoXsitiC | ip' |
| 09:42.57 | pinks | \amethyst: where's that? |
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| 09:43.06 | _weissi | ParoXsitiC: ifconfig doesn't list it, because it has nothing to do with the interface, it's a routing issue |
| 09:43.12 | ParoXsitiC | weissi: an IP that my DHCP assigned, IE: 71.197.31.135 or the DHCP server IP |
| 09:43.20 | \amethyst | pinks: I think .mozilla-firefox/default/*/Cache |
| 09:43.28 | \amethyst | pinks: it might be .firefox |
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| 09:43.40 | knite | ParoXsitiC: if you're in linux now, run sudo route to see the routing table |
| 09:43.44 | \amethyst | pinks: `default' is your profile name, and `*' is a bunch of random letters |
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| 09:44.11 | _weissi | ParoXsitiC: yep, get an ip via dhcp, and then do `route | grep default`, there you'll find the gateway ip |
| 09:44.17 | \amethyst | pinks: unfortunately, the files in the Cache directory don't have useful names |
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| 09:44.25 | pinks | \amethyst: cheers |
| 09:44.49 | ParoXsitiC | knite: it returns with c-71-197-30-1.h and gets cut off |
| 09:44.57 | ParoXsitiC | i think i might know what domain/ip its referring to |
| 09:45.04 | _weissi | ParoXsitiC: ok, then do `route -n | grep 0.0.0.0` |
| 09:45.17 | knite | ParoXsitiC: what else? |
| 09:45.38 | ParoXsitiC | knite: |
| 09:45.38 | ParoXsitiC | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 09:45.38 | ParoXsitiC | 71.197.30.0 * 255.255.254.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 09:45.38 | ParoXsitiC | default c-71-197-30-1.h 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 09:45.44 | ParoXsitiC | sorry. |
| 09:46.02 | knite | ParoXsitiC: 71.197.30.1 is your gateway |
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| 09:46.33 | quik_ | I've edited my fstab file, do I have to create folders in for where I set the mount point? |
| 09:46.34 | ParoXsitiC | okay so add that as a gateway to my interfaces, and a netmask of 255.255.255.0 along with address (MY IP) |
| 09:46.46 | knite | ParoXsitiC: ya |
| 09:46.49 | \amethyst | quik_: yes |
| 09:46.57 | ParoXsitiC | knite: thanks, trying now |
| 09:47.25 | pinks | \amethyst: fwiw - it's ~/.mozilla/firefox/*****.default/cache |
| 09:47.36 | pinks | \amethyst: thanks :-D |
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| 09:47.50 | \amethyst | pinks: cool. they keep changing the directory |
| 09:48.00 | quik_ | how do I make my fstab file run to er.. mount all the drives? |
| 09:48.10 | \amethyst | pinks: it's been .phoenix, .mozilla-firefox, .mozilla/firefox, and .firefox |
| 09:48.12 | _weissi | quik_: mount -a |
| 09:48.22 | ootput | are any of you rxvt-unicode users experiencing problems (i.e. inability to load fonts) with xft (xft: in ~/.Xdefaults?) |
| 09:48.31 | knite | quik_: (if you have auto in the options) |
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| 09:49.07 | ParoXsitiC | the gateway doesnt seem to be it |
| 09:49.15 | ParoXsitiC | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 09:49.15 | ParoXsitiC | Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 09:49.22 | knite | ParoXsitiC: huh |
| 09:49.23 | blehsync | ootput, i used a one-liner command to do that |
| 09:49.49 | knite | ParoXsitiC: are you connect to comcast directly? through router/hub? |
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| 09:50.12 | ParoXsitiC | knite: my linux machine is directly connected to the comcast cable box |
| 09:50.28 | ParoXsitiC | knite: my linux then uses iptables to share the connection with my XP machine |
| 09:50.36 | ParoXsitiC | knite: IE forwarding |
| 09:51.12 | ParoXsitiC | knite: i have no router or hub, just a crossover cat5 cable connecting them and using linux's iptables to forward |
| 09:51.21 | ParoXsitiC | knite: so linux in this case is like my router |
| 09:51.27 | ootput | blehsync: to do which? |
| 09:51.29 | knite | ParoXsitiC: ok, netmask might be wrong |
| 09:51.52 | ParoXsitiC | knite: an ifconfig says the eth0 netmask is: Mask:255.255.254.0 |
| 09:52.09 | ParoXsitiC | so instead of netmask: 255.255.255.0 try 255.255.254.0 |
| 09:52.10 | ParoXsitiC | ? |
| 09:52.13 | blehsync | ootput, slected fonts |
| 09:52.20 | knite | ParoXsitiC: might as well give it a shot :) |
| 09:52.28 | ParoXsitiC | knite: ok trying |
| 09:52.33 | knite | ParoXsitiC: i'm on comcast too, mine is 240.0 |
| 09:52.50 | ootput | blehsync: what is the command? |
| 09:52.51 | knite | ParoXsitiC: I would use what your ifconfig says |
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| 09:53.34 | ParoXsitiC | test |
| 09:53.39 | ParoXsitiC | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 09:53.39 | ParoXsitiC | Failed to bring up eth0. |
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| 09:53.58 | ParoXsitiC | knite: i am new to linux and also MIRC, is there a way i can paste my whole interfaces file to you |
| 09:54.29 | blehsync | ootput, i forgot :S |
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| 09:56.00 | ootput | blehsync: :( |
| 09:56.08 | blehsync | :( |
| 09:56.14 | TurboBee | erm |
| 09:56.20 | TurboBee | did soemoen call my name earlier? |
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| 09:56.39 | quik_ | how can I check what hdd volumes are mounted? |
| 09:56.39 | TurboBee | me buffer is shot it looks like |
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| 09:57.10 | ParoXsitiC | knite: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1825. |
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| 09:57.40 | \amethyst | quik_: mount | grep hd |
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| 09:57.56 | _weissi | ParoXsitiC: the .0 in the gateway line has to be .1 |
| 09:58.10 | ParoXsitiC | weissi: okay. thanks |
| 09:58.16 | knite | _weissi: i was about the say the same |
| 09:58.33 | Readon | how to write current time to cmos? |
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| 09:58.52 | SimonRaven | quik_: may i ask why you chose a bootloader's name as your nick? (just curious) |
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| 09:58.57 | _weissi | ;-) sorry, I tought you were off, because you didn't reply a few mins ... |
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| 09:59.11 | knite | Readon: man hwclock |
| 09:59.40 | tijn | anyone knows a nice wifi app, to scan and use wep keys? |
| 09:59.42 | tijn | e.d |
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| 09:59.55 | quik_ | SimonRaven: ahh.. I've had this handle for about 7-8 years now - its just circumstancial |
| 09:59.55 | Nigromante | iwlist scan |
| 09:59.59 | quik_ | stancial* |
| 10:00.03 | quik_ | whatever |
| 10:00.16 | Nigromante | aircrack |
| 10:00.18 | tijn | Nigromante, do i see the ip the net is in too? |
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| 10:00.31 | ParoXsitiC | weissi, knite: i used ifdown eth0, edited it, ifup eth0 ....it said SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 10:00.36 | ParoXsitiC | failed to bring up eth0 |
| 10:00.42 | ParoXsitiC | then i tried /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 10:00.51 | tijn | isnt aircrack a wep key cracker? |
| 10:00.58 | Nigromante | yes |
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| 10:01.05 | blehsync | does it work? |
| 10:01.13 | Nigromante | with iwlist you dont see the IP |
| 10:01.21 | quik_ | \amethyst: I mounted some volumes - how can I see their contents through command line? |
| 10:01.29 | Nigromante | didnt tried aircrack |
| 10:01.34 | tijn | mmh |
| 10:01.35 | blehsync | why? |
| 10:01.48 | tijn | gonna try |
| 10:01.49 | tijn | :D |
| 10:01.54 | blehsync | ... |
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| 10:02.16 | Nigromante | You need wireless networks generating traffic to crack them |
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| 10:02.37 | blehsync | so? |
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| 10:02.56 | Nigromante | I dont have w n generating traffic |
| 10:03.12 | ParoXsitiC | knite: im restarting linux |
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| 10:03.46 | knite | ParoXsitiC: good luck |
| 10:03.58 | SimonRaven | quik_: i see, ok. 'coincidental', fyi :) |
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| 10:04.32 | nitroXL | hello .. i have one question .. does anyone know some good sites about install procedure of Debian Sarge .. i am writing a diploma paper and need some good links .. tnx very much .. |
| 10:04.43 | sime_ | trying to use Crack on debian, shouldn't 'Crack /etc/shadow' be all I need |
| 10:04.49 | jon_k | diploma? for college or what |
| 10:04.54 | nitroXL | yes |
| 10:05.09 | TurboBee | doh me name lit up red again and i missed it |
| 10:05.09 | jon_k | nitroXL, i'd suggest you install debian and document the process |
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| 10:05.32 | zach | whats the command to move a file to another dir? |
| 10:05.35 | jon_k | mv |
| 10:05.43 | nitroXL | yes i did that .. but i need some links to prove that |
| 10:05.44 | jon_k | nitroXL, not much docs on installing since it's so easy |
| 10:05.48 | ParoXsitiC2 | knite, weissi: I believe i am now on my static connection |
| 10:05.55 | weissi | pabl0|Uni |
| 10:05.57 | weissi | Pa |
| 10:05.59 | jon_k | http://www.aboutdebian.com/install3.htm |
| 10:05.59 | weissi | sorry |
| 10:06.01 | jon_k | heres one for woody |
| 10:06.08 | weissi | ParoXsitiC2: wonderbra :-)) |
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| 10:06.29 | Nigromante | what's evident does not need proof nitroXL |
| 10:06.38 | jon_k | but yeah |
| 10:06.43 | casandro | Uhm, I have a problem. I have a machine with a special diskette drive which is only accessible via BIOS calls. There is no CD-Rom drive, so I want to use loadlin. I'm trying to use the vmlinuz and the initrd from the install directory of the CD-Rom. The error message is Less than 4Mb of memory system haltet. This message appears before the kernel is loaded. |
| 10:06.46 | jon_k | documentation on the sky is blue is hard to find |
| 10:06.47 | jon_k | heh |
| 10:07.01 | nitroXL | hehehe |
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| 10:07.29 | nitroXL | i just need something that i will put in my source section |
| 10:07.32 | weissi | casandro: do you have less than 4MB of RAM? |
| 10:07.32 | netman1 | Is this channel being logged in a publicly accessible (www) place? Afraid I missed something. |
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| 10:07.36 | jon_k | casandro, and you have more than 4 megs? |
| 10:07.39 | nitroXL | i got a book debian system and concepts |
| 10:07.42 | nitroXL | pa need few more |
| 10:07.45 | casandro | weissi I have 64Mb of RAM in that machine. |
| 10:07.52 | netman1 | casandro: got net access ? boot with tftp etc. |
| 10:08.23 | weissi | casandro: uhh, try linux mem=64M |
| 10:08.24 | casandro | netman1 It'S an PCMCIA network card. |
| 10:08.30 | Nigromante | go to amazon: you'll get a bunch of books there, if you just want links or titles |
| 10:08.46 | netman1 | casandro: laptop? |
| 10:08.47 | casandro | weissi: it's before the kernel it's loaded, but I can try. |
| 10:08.54 | knite | for those of you running etch, which apt front-end do you use to do regular upgrades? it seems synaptic and aptitude both get really confused, and either want to remove a bunch of stuff or refuse to do anything at all |
| 10:08.54 | zach | is it mv filename dir ? |
| 10:08.55 | casandro | Yes, it's a Toshiba Libretto 110C. |
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| 10:09.05 | netman1 | casandro: usb bootable? |
| 10:09.07 | knite | right now i'm sticking to apt-get upgrade... |
| 10:09.13 | weissi | casandro: this is a "kernel command-line" to be entered on lilo/grub prompt |
| 10:09.18 | nitroXL | ok i will try that |
| 10:09.20 | jon_k | knite apt command line |
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| 10:09.31 | Nigromante | knite, using synaptic, when it removes is because of dependences |
| 10:09.58 | jon_k | with the state of etch i see a lot of dep's messed up |
| 10:10.14 | SonnyBurnett | hi, how can I setup the library path of java? |
| 10:10.17 | Nigromante | yes, that's true (at least it was) |
| 10:10.19 | casandro | weissi: I don't have lilo/grub I have loadlin, currently the only way of booting. |
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| 10:10.33 | jon_k | Nigromante, etch has become more stable now? |
| 10:10.36 | casandro | DOS recognices all 64M |
| 10:10.39 | knite | jon_k: yeah, it doesn't help that I'm in the process of "downgrading" from sid... |
| 10:11.07 | Nigromante | There was a dependency in udev that almost broke dist-upgrading, they say it is been fixed. |
| 10:11.18 | knite | Nigromante: my synaptic wants to remove too much, so i'm afraid to use it |
| 10:11.46 | Nigromante | do you use intelligent upgrade ? |
| 10:12.08 | casandro | Is there a way to load compressed initrds with loadlin? Perhaps that might work. |
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| 10:12.45 | knite | Nigromante: i think i have it turned on |
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| 10:13.19 | Nigromante | well, you can always use apt-get if you trust it more |
| 10:13.30 | Guerin | casandro: take the drive out and put it in another machine |
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| 10:13.52 | Guerin | casandro: presuming you can boot neither from floppy or cdrom, that is definitely your sanest option |
| 10:13.54 | casandro | guerin: That's probably a 1.8 inch drive or something. It's a subnotebook. |
| 10:14.05 | Guerin | casandro: adaptors exist |
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| 10:14.55 | ParoXsitiC | weissi, knite: I switched from DHCP to static because i thought maybe DHCP software was buggy. It seems like my net is still disconnecting when I put full load on it |
| 10:14.59 | casandro | guerin Not sure if they exist for those special things. That whole laptop is smaller than a typical video casette. |
| 10:15.44 | ParoXsitiC | How can I look at the errors my connection is recieving when my connection poops out when i put full load on it (ie: speakeasy speed test) |
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| 10:16.22 | jon_k | ParoXsitiC, dmesg, system.log |
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| 10:16.53 | Guerin | casandro: it's running dos now/ won't run windows? |
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| 10:17.03 | soon | hi there |
| 10:17.09 | casandro | Guerin, it's running DOS and Windows 2000 now. |
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| 10:17.27 | quik_ | Thanks for the fstab help folks |
| 10:17.34 | quik_ | alll mounted and ready to go! |
| 10:17.46 | Guerin | casandro: you can get an ext2 driver for windows 2k, and a bunch of gnu tools in cygwin |
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| 10:17.54 | Guerin | casandro: and grub exists for windows |
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| 10:18.07 | jelly-ho | I have a repository of local packages. Is there a way to make "aptitude changelog" look elsewhere but p.d.o for our packages? |
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| 10:18.19 | jon_k | Guerin, grub for windows? Isn't it a multi operating system bootloader anyway? |
| 10:18.32 | ParoXsitiC | jon_k: dmesg shows no errors or the like. where is system.log located |
| 10:18.40 | jon_k | /var/log |
| 10:18.40 | casandro | guerin:Well OK, but would that get rid of the loadlin problem? Well I can try. |
| 10:18.48 | Guerin | jon_k: it has some bits which are a bit os-dependent, I think |
| 10:18.48 | ParoXsitiC | jon_k: thought so |
| 10:18.57 | quik_ | is there anyway to apt-get install azureus without running unstable? |
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| 10:19.17 | ParoXsitiC | jon_k: is system.log and syslog the same? |
| 10:19.26 | jon_k | don't think so |
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| 10:19.37 | ParoXsitiC | jon_K: i have no system.log, only a syslog |
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| 10:19.43 | Klod | Hey |
| 10:19.55 | jon_k | ParoXsitiC, hm, me too, yeah look in there |
| 10:20.01 | Nigromante | azureus is in testing |
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| 10:20.40 | jon_k | ParoXsitiC, you may also see something in the debug log |
| 10:21.02 | Klod | what you doing in this |
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| 10:21.35 | ootput | are any of you rxvt-unicode users experiencing problems (i.e. inability to load fonts) with xft (xft: in ~/.Xdefaults?) |
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| 10:23.18 | ice_1963 | azureus is not in testing |
| 10:23.42 | Kbrown | I have it in my list of packages |
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| 10:24.43 | quik_ | sarge is 3.2 isn't it? |
| 10:24.51 | quik_ | .. or 3.1 |
| 10:24.51 | ice_1963 | well i'm running etch and it's not my list |
| 10:25.06 | Kbrown | do you have contrib section? |
| 10:25.22 | ice_1963 | no |
| 10:25.34 | Kbrown | add it |
| 10:25.38 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 10:25.57 | Shadur | Filename: pool/contrib/a/azureus/azureus_2.3.0.6-2_all.deb |
| 10:26.27 | Kbrown | and non-free ... |
| 10:26.27 | Shadur | You'll need a java runtime as well - apt-get install java-package and use it to build a j2re deb from the sun installer. |
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| 10:26.44 | Kbrown | www.java.com |
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| 10:33.04 | ice_1963 | i jest installed amarok i love it |
| 10:33.14 | quik_ | whats amarok? |
| 10:33.25 | quik_ | and how do I use contrib? |
| 10:33.26 | ootput | an overrated music player |
| 10:33.43 | quik_ | more overrated than winamp? |
| 10:33.51 | ootput | which winamp? |
| 10:33.51 | Nigromante | you use contrib downloading contrib packages |
| 10:33.51 | streuner | quik_: man sources.list |
| 10:33.57 | tzafrir | quik_, edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:34.08 | Nigromante | add new repository to synaptic |
| 10:34.11 | Nigromante | too |
| 10:34.18 | ootput | pre-aol winamp was quite nice |
| 10:34.20 | tzafrir | add "contrib" as a separate word after "main" is some specific lines |
| 10:34.23 | jon_k | i find amarok to be a cpu hog |
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| 10:35.00 | dorel | my fstab shows this entry for the cdrom: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user 0 0 |
| 10:35.04 | dorel | yet im unable to mount it |
| 10:35.06 | ice_1963 | not here :0) |
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| 10:35.42 | Nigromante | try setting gid and umask options too |
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| 10:35.54 | weissi | sorry, my connection was cut... |
| 10:35.56 | Nigromante | I have gid=100 |
| 10:36.00 | Nigromante | umask=0 |
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| 10:36.15 | jon_k | amarok hovers on 20% cpu when xmms seems to use 4% |
| 10:36.17 | Nigromante | so users in group "users" can mount |
| 10:36.32 | dorel | if i do mount /dev/hdc im getting this error: mount: /dev/hdc is not a valid block device |
| 10:36.35 | phobo | with packages.debian.org down, how do i see when kernel images have been gone from etch to stable? (or can you give me any idea on when we might get, say, 2.6.12 in woody?) |
| 10:36.37 | dorel | any ideas? |
| 10:36.39 | Nigromante | ahhh |
| 10:37.00 | Nigromante | may be you are mounting wrong dev-ice |
| 10:37.19 | quik_ | what does it mean when a package has no installation candidate? |
| 10:37.20 | dorel | fstab shows /dev/cdrom is linked with /dev/hdc though |
| 10:37.21 | streuner | phobo: read /topic |
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| 10:37.31 | cbr | what does NEW mean? |
| 10:37.40 | cbr | is it some repository? |
| 10:37.53 | phobo | steruener; thx |
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| 10:38.07 | streuner | phobo: there is no package which goes from etch to stable |
| 10:38.16 | saloxin | dorel: audio cd? not mountable |
| 10:38.25 | fatal_ | cbr: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html ... not yet approved by ftp masters... |
| 10:38.44 | cbr | fatal_: what are the ftp masters? |
| 10:38.53 | fatal_ | cbr: all new source packages (or packages introducing new binary packages) gets reviewed by the ftp masters. |
| 10:38.59 | Nigromante | dorel, run udevinfo |
| 10:39.07 | fatal_ | cbr: the people in charge of the debian ftp archive. |
| 10:39.27 | dorel | saloxin: no its a debian install cd... but anything i put there isnt mountable |
| 10:39.49 | cbr | fatal_: and after the approval they go into the repos? |
| 10:39.51 | dorel | Nigromante: i dont have udevinfo installed |
| 10:39.55 | fatal_ | cbr: yes. |
| 10:40.11 | Nigromante | dorel are you running debian from your hard disk ? |
| 10:40.24 | dorel | Nigromante, saloxin: i was at first thinking that it could be something around the whole libata.atapi_enabled thing but im not sure.... |
| 10:40.38 | dorel | Nigromante: yep. i got 2.6.14-2 installed, unstable |
| 10:40.43 | Nigromante | ah |
| 10:41.00 | dorel | Nigromante: my hd is recognized as /dev/sda |
| 10:41.24 | Nigromante | run udevinfo -e | more to see which device is connected to which /dev/ entry |
| 10:41.41 | quik_ | can anyone explain this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/zCr7IG73.html |
| 10:42.03 | dorel | i dont have udevinfo Nigromante. which package do i need to get? |
| 10:42.15 | Nigromante | do you have udev installed ? |
| 10:42.16 | dorel | oh ok. it's udev. im install it now, just a sec |
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| 10:43.23 | dorel | Nigromante: i dont see anything about a cdrom with that command. i think its not at all recognized |
| 10:43.23 | ice_1963 | you need java |
| 10:43.36 | Nigromante | may be |
| 10:44.01 | Nigromante | which cdrom drive is it? |
| 10:44.08 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 10:44.18 | Nigromante | you may need another kernel module |
| 10:44.20 | quik_ | everything that is interesting seems to be in debian sid |
| 10:44.28 | Garda | i have a file of crc32 checksums made using the unix command sum |
| 10:44.31 | Garda | in this format |
| 10:44.31 | dorel | Nigromante: its a dvd/rw, dont know the firm sorry |
| 10:44.32 | Garda | 278056663 7408552 man38.tgz |
| 10:44.33 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with qtorrent. Download's stopped and it won't restart any more |
| 10:44.39 | Garda | how do i check them |
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| 10:45.13 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with qtorrent. Download's stopped and it won't restart any more: I'm downloading debian cd for sparc... |
| 10:45.16 | prudhvi | i`d like to know which package provides /dev/dsp ? |
| 10:45.28 | streuner | !tell Mazingaro about repeat |
| 10:45.37 | streuner | prudhvi: none |
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| 10:45.50 | streuner | prudhvi: cat /proc/version |
| 10:45.58 | Mazingaro | streuner: not repeating |
| 10:46.14 | prudhvi | streuner, 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 10:46.26 | streuner | Mazingaro: it is |
| 10:46.26 | Nigromante | dorel, try running lshw | more |
| 10:46.38 | streuner | prudhvi: tell us the full output |
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| 10:46.49 | prudhvi | Linux version 2.6.8-2-686 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 |
| 10:46.49 | phobo | streuner (or others): from the changelog it seems 2.6.8 has been on since October or longer, so is it likely they'll upgrade to 2.6.9 or make a jump to something more recent (i mean we're at 2.6.15 now!) |
| 10:47.11 | streuner | phobo: are you want OSS or ALSA? |
| 10:47.35 | dorel | sorry Nigromante, i dont have this command |
| 10:47.46 | Nigromante | mm let me see |
| 10:47.50 | phobo | not sure what you mean by ALSA |
| 10:48.01 | dorel | Nigromante, im d/l it now... ill give you the answer in a sec |
| 10:48.08 | streuner | phobo: ok, why do you care /dev/dsp doesn't exit? |
| 10:48.11 | bbrazil | phobo: stable will stay at 2.6.8, only security updates will be made to it |
| 10:48.18 | Nigromante | ok |
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| 10:48.40 | prudhvi | streuner, i guess all the Packages that require sound needs /dev/dsp |
| 10:48.49 | streuner | prudhvi: sure |
| 10:48.51 | phobo | bbrazil: so the kernel won't upgrade at all until Etch?!?! |
| 10:49.01 | Nigromante | ALSA is an api to access hardware sound devices Phated |
| 10:49.05 | Nigromante | phobo |
| 10:49.06 | streuner | prudhvi: so you want sound? |
| 10:49.07 | Nigromante | sorry |
| 10:49.11 | Guerin | phobo: amazingly, that's what stable means |
| 10:49.13 | bbrazil | phobo: yes. you can compile your own though and backports have newer too |
| 10:49.19 | prudhvi | streuner, but, i have installed all the OSS Modules and ALSA modules.But i still cant find /dev/dsp |
| 10:49.25 | dorel | Nigromante: on ide it shows sata controller, scsi disk and thats all. nothing about the dvd/rw |
| 10:49.27 | bbrazil | phobo: unless you need some specific feature, don't bother |
| 10:49.30 | streuner | prudhvi: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 10:49.31 | phobo | crap, my motherboard needs .12 ... |
| 10:49.35 | Nigromante | mmmmm |
| 10:49.54 | Guerin | phobo: there are installers with newer kernels |
| 10:50.00 | Nigromante | do the leds in the dvd flash or something? |
| 10:50.05 | prudhvi | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 10:50.05 | prudhvi | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.07 | phobo | Guerin: URI? |
| 10:50.15 | Nigromante | do you have windows installed? |
| 10:50.20 | dorel | Nigromante: they open if i physically open it |
| 10:50.20 | SonnyBurnett | which cd recorder is nice? |
| 10:50.24 | Guerin | phobo: fgi |
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| 10:50.31 | dorel | Nigromante: no windows |
| 10:50.32 | ems | hi |
| 10:50.33 | Guerin | !2.6.14 d-i |
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| 10:50.43 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:50.44 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:50.44 | Guerin | dpkg knows something about it |
| 10:50.45 | Nigromante | strange |
| 10:50.45 | ems | I am setting up a computer with no CMOS battery |
| 10:50.48 | Nigromante | extrange |
| 10:50.56 | Guerin | !listkeys 2.6.14 |
| 10:50.58 | dpkg | Factoid search of '2.6.14' by key (3): #debian sarge 2.6.14 ;; _default sarge 2.6.14 ;; sarge 2.6.14. |
| 10:51.01 | \amethyst | ems: sounds like fun |
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| 10:51.06 | YogSothoth | Hi |
| 10:51.10 | prudhvi | streuner, yes, i want sound |
| 10:51.11 | Guerin | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 10:51.11 | ems | \amethyst: sure is going to be |
| 10:51.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 10:51.16 | Guerin | there ya go |
| 10:51.19 | streuner | prudhvi: hm, wired sources.list (just /msg dpkg paster) and show us your sources.list, is i-net connection working with your box? |
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| 10:51.35 | wam | Hi! I'm looking for a tool which I can call from a shellscript that sums up integers that it recieves via stdin. E.G. I have a grep|awk '{print $4}' and would like the output to be summed up. Any ideas? |
| 10:51.38 | ems | \amethyst: I plan on making it a thin client |
| 10:51.38 | prudhvi | streuner, yes. it is working |
| 10:51.44 | YogSothoth | I just added my user account to the admin group, which give me access to the sudo |
| 10:51.59 | streuner | prudhvi: ok, just show us your sources.list |
| 10:52.00 | Nigromante | dorel, reboot and enter your bios |
| 10:52.03 | streuner | !paster |
| 10:52.03 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 10:52.06 | YogSothoth | and it works but it never asks me for my password, why ? |
| 10:52.08 | phobo | wow thanks, I'll try this |
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| 10:52.13 | ems | ban Enigma-T[Away] |
| 10:52.16 | Nigromante | and see if it's recognized there |
| 10:52.19 | ems | onjoin spam bot |
| 10:52.26 | ems | !ops |
| 10:52.26 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 10:52.31 | Guerin | YogSothoth: why are you asking us if you're not running debian? |
| 10:52.38 | YogSothoth | on my Ubuntu laptop I also use sudo but it asks me for my password one time per cli session |
| 10:52.41 | Nigromante | or if it appears at boot time any message with its brand and model |
| 10:52.44 | ems | !ops Enigma-T[Away] is an onjoin spam bot |
| 10:52.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Enigma-T[Away] is an onjoin spam bot |
| 10:52.54 | streuner | YogSothoth: #ubuntu |
| 10:53.01 | phobo | Does the woody installer support writing GRUB bootloader to software raid when /boot and / are software RAIDED on SATA disks? :P |
| 10:53.07 | YogSothoth | Guerin, I am using Debian, on my server. I'm just saying that I compare to my laptop which runs ubuntu ! :) |
| 10:53.17 | phobo | (assuming I use the 2.6.14kernel installer at http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 ) |
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| 10:53.32 | dorel | Nigromante: ok ill check the brand then |
| 10:53.34 | prudhvi | streuner, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1826 |
| 10:53.40 | YogSothoth | streuner, yeah I know! but it's Debian issue i'm having, not Ubuntu :) |
| 10:53.41 | Nigromante | ok |
| 10:54.06 | Guerin | YogSothoth: debian doesn't even have an admin group by default |
| 10:54.18 | streuner | prudhvi: rm -i /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:54.21 | YogSothoth | Guerin, yes I added it myseld |
| 10:54.48 | streuner | prudhvi: and run 'apt-setup' as root, choose stable/sarge and use also security.debian.org in sources.list |
| 10:55.05 | streuner | prudhvi: after that run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' |
| 10:55.10 | Guerin | YogSothoth: so the issue is that you don't get asked the password now when sudoing? |
| 10:55.10 | \amethyst | wam: still here? |
| 10:55.18 | YogSothoth | *myself |
| 10:55.18 | \amethyst | wam: you can do what you want with awk |
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| 10:55.57 | YogSothoth | Guerin, here's my sudoers: http://rafb.net/paste/results/RfWDDo90.html |
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| 10:56.08 | YogSothoth | Guerin, yes exactly that |
| 10:56.13 | \amethyst | wam: { sum += $4 } END { print x } |
| 10:56.26 | wam | \amethyst: cool thanks ! ;) |
| 10:56.28 | ems | streuner: why '&&' ? If apt-get update coughs then apt-get upgrade wont be exec. |
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| 10:56.36 | \amethyst | wam: s/x/sum/ |
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| 10:56.46 | YogSothoth | Guerin, after modifying my sudoers I did that : groupadd admin; usermod -G admin robby |
| 10:56.47 | streuner | ems: because! |
| 10:57.04 | Guerin | YogSothoth: wait 20 minutes and try again; man sudoers |
| 10:57.31 | \amethyst | wam: If it gets really complicated, learn python or perl |
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| 11:00.10 | ems | streuner: Good reason. |
| 11:00.19 | streuner | ems: in 99,99 percent of all cases its working, why should we get some headaches about 0,01 percent then ;-) |
| 11:00.42 | ems | streuner: you should use ';' not '&&' |
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| 11:02.11 | ems | streuner: try this: /dev/hd0 > /dev/null |
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| 11:02.53 | ems | streuner: sigh |
| 11:02.57 | streuner | ems: scroll up, iam helping someone else... |
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| 11:03.58 | shadows | hi, i'm back again. i managed to hack the debian installer image up so that you can install it to a box with only SATA devices |
| 11:04.08 | YogSothoth | Guerin, I just read the man and didn't see anything about waiting 20 minutes? |
| 11:04.10 | shadows | would anyone care to know this information? |
| 11:04.19 | ems | streuner: try this instead: cat /dev/memory > /dev/hd0 > /dev/null |
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| 11:05.00 | ems | shadows: debian installer can already do that. |
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| 11:05.11 | Guerin | YogSothoth: read it again: /time |
| 11:05.28 | shadows | ems: *where* |
| 11:05.41 | shadows | ems: show me an installer that can do that ;) |
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| 11:05.54 | ems | !tell shadows about d-i |
| 11:06.14 | shadows | !tell ems they are wrong |
| 11:06.36 | shadows | look i wouldn't be saying this if i didn't already try both installers |
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| 11:06.42 | ems | !tell shadows about man |
| 11:06.43 | shadows | and spend 3 hours mucking with it |
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| 11:07.32 | ems | !tell shadows about GNU |
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| 11:07.37 | shadows | uh |
| 11:07.40 | shadows | help? |
| 11:07.51 | Guerin | !tell ems about don't be a dumb bot-abusing motherfucker |
| 11:08.13 | ems | dpkg: GNU is Gay Niggerz United |
| 11:08.13 | dpkg | ...but gnu is already something else... |
| 11:08.26 | tombs | hi all |
| 11:08.28 | ems | dpkg: GNU is also Gay Niggerz United |
| 11:08.28 | dpkg | ems: okay |
| 11:08.32 | Nigromante | GNU is GNU Not United |
| 11:08.47 | Guerin | !ops ems needs a beating |
| 11:08.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ems needs a beating |
| 11:08.59 | ems | sorry everyone |
| 11:09.03 | shadows | no, you're not |
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| 11:09.19 | shadows | you *will* learn the definition of sorry |
| 11:09.22 | Guerin | dpkg, gnu =~ s/Gay Niggerz United// |
| 11:09.22 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 11:09.31 | Guerin | he's sorry, but not apologetic |
| 11:09.50 | Guerin | as in "He appeared at my door in the sorriest of states ..." |
| 11:09.55 | shadows | ah, yes |
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| 11:10.20 | Nigromante | why did he do that? |
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| 11:10.46 | Guerin | Nigromante: i've found it best not to try and fathom the dark recesses of the TardMind |
| 11:10.52 | shadows | so, before i lose my buzz from solving a problem, is there some kind of Wiki or self-help howto archive i should throw my howto into? |
| 11:11.00 | Korthrun | Is there a simple way to assign a range of addresses to an interface in /etc/network/interfaces, or am I going to spend my night making 50 enteries? |
| 11:11.05 | Guerin | shadows: wiki.debian.net |
| 11:11.11 | shadows | sweet, thanks G |
| 11:11.23 | Guerin | shadows: a'ight dawg |
| 11:11.31 | Korthrun | The man page didin't mention anything about address ranges :( |
| 11:11.37 | shadows | fo' linuxizzle. |
| 11:11.43 | ircdevil | what happens if i write a cron.daily script that takes more than a day to complete? i would like to avoid two instances of the script running in that case ... |
| 11:11.51 | Guerin | Korthrun: since when could you assign a range to an interface/ |
| 11:12.01 | prudhvi | streuner, yup i have done apt-get upgrade |
| 11:12.13 | Guerin | ircdevil: if it takes a day to run, it shouldn't be run in cron.daily |
| 11:12.14 | streuner | prudhvi: any problems? |
| 11:12.19 | Nigromante | create a pid file and check its existence before starting ?? |
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| 11:12.36 | Nigromante | or wait for the process to finish? |
| 11:12.44 | prudhvi | streuner, no no problems |
| 11:12.50 | Korthrun | Guerin:I've done it on systems that use the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg* setup with IPADDR_START=x.x.x.1 IPADDR_END=x.x.x.52 CLONENUM_START=0 |
| 11:12.51 | prudhvi | streuner, but still no sound |
| 11:12.55 | ircdevil | Guerin: depends on remote server bandwidth ... and weekly is not good enuf. |
| 11:13.09 | Guerin | ircdevil: every other day, or so |
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| 11:13.14 | streuner | prudhvi: what does 'dpkg -l udev' say - only one line... |
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| 11:13.30 | Guerin | Korthrun: is this some sort of virtual interface mojo? |
| 11:13.37 | Korthrun | Guerin: Aye |
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| 11:13.53 | Guerin | Korthrun: in interfaces I think you might have to spec them manually |
| 11:14.02 | Guerin | Korthrun: spec each one individually, I mean |
| 11:14.03 | prudhvi | streuner, udev 0.056-3 /dev/ management daemon |
| 11:14.12 | Korthrun | Guerin:joy |
| 11:14.14 | Guerin | Korthrun: though it'd be trivial to write a script to do that for you |
| 11:14.16 | YogSothoth | My user account (john) is part of the same group (www-data) that own the directory I want to write to. The directory has drwxrwxr-x permission, so any member of the www-data group should be able to write to, no? Well my user account john can't. Why? |
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| 11:14.20 | streuner | prudhvi: apt-get remove udev |
| 11:14.28 | Guerin | Korthrun: i'm not 100% sure about that, though. |
| 11:14.33 | Korthrun | Guerin:yeah the ex script is already running through my brain |
| 11:14.34 | streuner | !info udev sarge |
| 11:14.46 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.056-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 684 kB |
| 11:14.48 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 11:14.55 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*n=ems@*.dyn.iinet.net.au] by azeem |
| 11:14.56 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 11:15.03 | azeem | ems: that was a bit over the top, dude |
| 11:15.03 | stse | Hi! Is it possible to access packages in the new queue? If yes, what is the address? |
| 11:15.12 | azeem | ems: come back next week or so |
| 11:15.34 | streuner | !ems |
| 11:15.36 | prudhvi | streuner, it says gnome will also be removed |
| 11:15.42 | streuner | !gnu |
| 11:15.42 | dpkg | from memory, gnu is a recursive acronym which stands for GNU's Not UNIX. The GNU project is dedicated to the creation of a 100% Free Software Operating System.. . Or an acronym that stands for Gay Niggerz United, its homepage is at http://gnu.org |
| 11:16.09 | Nigromante | ... |
| 11:16.20 | prudhvi | streuner, can i go ahead ? |
| 11:16.30 | streuner | prudhvi: what do you use actually, GNOME? |
| 11:16.39 | streuner | yes |
| 11:16.40 | azeem | dpkg, gnu =~ s/Gay Niggerz United// |
| 11:16.40 | prudhvi | streuner, yes |
| 11:16.40 | dpkg | azeem: OK |
| 11:16.55 | prudhvi | ok |
| 11:16.57 | prudhvi | BRB |
| 11:17.00 | Nigromante | !gnu |
| 11:17.00 | dpkg | i guess gnu is a recursive acronym which stands for GNU's Not UNIX. The GNU project is dedicated to the creation of a 100% Free Software Operating System.. . Or an acronym that stands for , its homepage is at http://gnu.org |
| 11:17.10 | Guerin | i did that already |
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| 11:17.14 | c4__-_ | hi |
| 11:17.15 | streuner | azeem: dpkg, no foo is blah... |
| 11:17.28 | Guerin | damn fool must have done it again |
| 11:17.44 | c4__-_ | Failed to perform the specified action... |
| 11:17.44 | c4__-_ | Error: Entry does not exist |
| 11:18.10 | azeem | streuner: done |
| 11:18.16 | streuner | !gnu |
| 11:18.16 | dpkg | i heard gnu is a recursive acronym which stands for GNU's Not UNIX. The GNU project is dedicated to the creation of a 100% Free Software Operating System, its homepage is at http://gnu.org |
| 11:18.27 | Korthrun | to rephrase, does anyone know how I can get debian to dynamically add virtual devices, so one doesn't have to clutter up /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 11:18.40 | shadows | looks much nicer, thank you opers. |
| 11:18.48 | c4__-_ | thats an error when i clic submit in the adsl modem config, any idea? |
| 11:18.56 | Guerin | ems: don't be sorry, just don't fucking do it. We don't care about your latent fears of black people and homosexuals. Drunkenness is no excuse. |
| 11:19.02 | Guerin | ems: and stop messaging me |
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| 11:19.05 | david___ | hi |
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| 11:19.35 | jaken | i have google for 3 hours now but i can't find any site who helps me with the following problem "/usr/src/linux-2.4.32/include/asm/processor.h:75: error" |
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| 11:19.40 | david___ | is mysql not in the official package repository? |
| 11:19.41 | jaken | kernel |
| 11:19.48 | aladds | hey guys, trying to install kde on sarge but it keeps saying md5 mismatch on getting the kdelibs4 |
| 11:20.01 | SonnyBurnett | how to run a GTk from a terminal being root? |
| 11:20.08 | Guerin | david___: of course it is. |
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| 11:20.19 | Guerin | SonnyBurnett: wtf is a gtk? |
| 11:20.20 | Nigromante | mysql 5 is |
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| 11:20.34 | Nigromante | (testing) |
| 11:20.39 | david___ | apt-get install mysql? |
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| 11:20.46 | flo | hello |
| 11:20.52 | Guerin | david___: /msg dpkg search |
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| 11:21.12 | prudhvi | streuner: yup. i have removed udev |
| 11:21.25 | stse | SonnyBurnett: Do as a user "gksu <application>" |
| 11:21.35 | streuner | prudhvi: ok, reboot now |
| 11:21.45 | prudhvi | streuner: ok |
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| 11:22.23 | azeem | any xmgrace users here? Seems the latest version identifies data sets via some cryptic hexadecimal number instead of "S1", "S2", etc. Is this expected or a bug? |
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| 11:22.30 | quik_ | I've setup howl, and etc for appletalk sharing... I tried adding shares to my mounted drives /mnt/hdd1 etc... but none of them mount. any ideas? |
| 11:22.46 | david___ | thanks |
| 11:22.50 | david___ | bye |
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| 11:24.12 | SonnyBurnett | Guerin: I mean any app that use gtk,... when you are root you cannot do that |
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| 11:25.27 | prudhvi | streuner: rebooted |
| 11:25.27 | SonnyBurnett | stse, thanks |
| 11:25.44 | azeem | SonnyBurnett: don't use GTK apps as root then |
| 11:25.55 | streuner | prudhvi: ls -l /dev/dsp |
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| 11:26.18 | sandman | Why does locales replace base-config? |
| 11:26.20 | SonnyBurnett | Do you know how should be "fstab" file to burn cds correctly? |
| 11:26.21 | Guerin | SonnyBurnett: you can using sux, sudo, or ssh -X |
| 11:26.24 | prudhvi | streuner: yes it is there. /dev/dsp is there |
| 11:26.38 | Guerin | but generally it's unwise to do anything gui as root |
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| 11:26.42 | sandman | Will sid _always_ be synonymous with unstable? |
| 11:26.55 | streuner | prudhvi: run 'alsaconf' as root (if you haven't alsa-utils installed, just install it) |
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| 11:27.45 | streuner | sandman: yep - /msg dpkg unstable |
| 11:28.02 | prudhvi | streuner: yes. i have done alsaconf. can i install gnome now ? |
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| 11:28.14 | aladds | sandman: yes |
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| 11:28.22 | sandman | Why does a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch fail @ hotplug install? All one must do is apt-get install hotplug to fix it, but is that some kind of dependency problem? |
| 11:28.26 | tzafrir | anybody else got an email "from" webmaster@debian.org with the attachment Original Message.B64? |
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| 11:28.39 | streuner | prudhvi: of course, but you cannot use gnome-volume-manager (apt-get install gnome) |
| 11:28.55 | Guerin | tzafrir: just a moment while I send you an email from billg@microsoft.com |
| 11:28.56 | prudhvi | streuner: ok. thanks :) |
| 11:28.58 | streuner | prudhvi: because due depends it will install udev then... |
| 11:29.17 | shadows | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerSataAtapiHowto |
| 11:29.23 | shadows | done. thanks for the suggestions guys |
| 11:29.25 | shadows | it's going now |
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| 11:29.52 | prudhvi | streuner: when i say apt-get install gnome. it is also trying to install gnome-volume-manager |
| 11:30.05 | streuner | !install gnome |
| 11:30.05 | dpkg | methinks install gnome is to install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 11:30.28 | streuner | prudhvi: ok, just use gnome-session, nautilus as start |
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| 11:30.42 | streuner | prudhvi: gedit, so on... |
| 11:31.09 | streuner | prudhvi: gnome-core like the factoid already told us |
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| 11:35.07 | biner | What is the last version of debian with libc5 ? |
| 11:35.58 | streuner | why do you need libc5? |
| 11:36.48 | dimir | :-) |
| 11:37.13 | biner | streuner, a 486 with X |
| 11:37.20 | prudhvi | streuner: yes, even if i do it the way dpkg said.it is again trying to install udev and gnome-volume-manager. gnome-core installed successfully with gnome-desktop-environment. |
| 11:37.33 | biner | The last version of Debian completely based on libc5 was bo (Debian 1.3) |
| 11:37.38 | Guerin | libc6 runs on 486en |
| 11:37.59 | streuner | prudhvi: try to avoid those packages then |
| 11:38.01 | biner | Guerin, what X version ? |
| 11:38.18 | Guerin | biner: vesa card, or not? |
| 11:38.23 | streuner | biner: laptop? |
| 11:38.30 | biner | hp vectra |
| 11:38.38 | Guerin | means nothing to me |
| 11:38.43 | prudhvi | streuner: but without those packages how can i run X ? |
| 11:38.48 | biner | 486sx 33mhz 24mb of ram |
| 11:39.07 | Guerin | sarge should run on that - x will be dependent on the video card |
| 11:39.09 | streuner | prudhvi: you can run X without GNOME |
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| 11:39.41 | streuner | prudhvi: so you have a number of packages (GNOME) installed? |
| 11:39.59 | prudhvi | streuner: yes |
| 11:40.13 | aladds | gnome is a bit bloated for older systems, try somthing lighter like windowmaker |
| 11:40.23 | Guerin | it's a bit bloated for newer systems too |
| 11:40.28 | aladds | true |
| 11:40.35 | streuner | prudhvi: and how do you start X? |
| 11:40.42 | aladds | startx |
| 11:40.44 | aladds | :-) |
| 11:40.49 | prudhvi | streuner: gdm or startx |
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| 11:42.43 | quik_ | how can I access my /mnt/hdd1 mounts through the terminal? |
| 11:43.06 | Guerin | quik_: cd /mnt/hdd1 |
| 11:43.11 | prudhvi | streuner: any other ways ? |
| 11:43.12 | Guerin | etc. |
| 11:43.29 | streuner | prudhvi: have you tried to start GNOME now? |
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| 11:44.00 | quik_ | Guerin: I have the drives mounting, but I can't seem to see anything when shared through afp? |
| 11:44.06 | prudhvi | streuner: but, when i install gnome. it is installing gnome-volume-control. |
| 11:44.29 | streuner | prudhvi: scroll up, and see what we told you |
| 11:44.32 | prudhvi | streuner: i tried running startx it says "No Screens found" |
| 11:44.41 | quik_ | I think the permissions are screwy. |
| 11:44.54 | quik_ | how can I allow the network afp user to see the mounts? |
| 11:44.57 | weissi | biner: I think hamm(2.0) ist the last who contains a libc5, "Bo" is the last with native libc5 |
| 11:45.01 | streuner | prudhvi: so you haven't X installed? |
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| 11:45.30 | biner | weissi... ok! |
| 11:45.50 | streuner | prudhvi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:46.08 | prudhvi | streuner: i have x-window-system and x-window-system-core |
| 11:46.17 | streuner | prudhvi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 11:47.12 | jm_ | Potato also had libc5 compat packages |
| 11:47.20 | jm_ | well not really compat |
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| 11:47.27 | BleSS | hi! |
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| 11:47.36 | BleSS | anybody could say me for what is Connector - unified userspace <-> kernelspace linker ? |
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| 11:49.30 | iostream | Hi.. If I use dd to copy from a partition, like /dev/hda1, to a file, will the resulting file be the size of the partition or just the safe of the "data used".. (Is there anyway to achieve the latter).. ? |
| 11:49.39 | bliss | hello all |
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| 11:50.15 | xinming | I today do a upgrade of my testing box, The X stop working |
| 11:50.17 | bliss | I am finding postfix difficult to use is there a more simple alternative |
| 11:50.26 | xinming | It reported 'no screen found' |
| 11:50.35 | xinming | anyone here encountered this problem? |
| 11:50.57 | aladds | you have the display driver set wrong |
| 11:51.06 | aladds | run xf86config |
| 11:51.54 | xinming | aladds: I don't have this command in my machine, And I use xorg by the way |
| 11:51.57 | Paivakil | bliss: exim4 |
| 11:51.57 | boyd | xinming: Do you have an nvidia card |
| 11:52.03 | aladds | oh |
| 11:52.14 | streuner | aladds: in debian we don't use xf86config |
| 11:52.14 | aladds | xorgconfig then (i think) |
| 11:52.18 | streuner | no |
| 11:52.25 | streuner | !drxx aladds |
| 11:52.25 | dpkg | aladds: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:52.38 | aladds | ah |
| 11:52.50 | aladds | last time i used debian it was xf86 |
| 11:52.56 | aladds | think that was back on woody |
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| 11:53.11 | bliss | Paivakil thanks does exim4 have a gui of some kind |
| 11:53.21 | aladds | i'm just getting back into it after a brief hiatus into ubuntu |
| 11:53.22 | xinming | boyd: I have ati. |
| 11:53.22 | Zugschlus | bliss: no |
| 11:53.45 | aladds | what do i need apart from alsa to make sound work on an i815 motherboard? |
| 11:53.46 | boyd | xinming: Then it's not what I thought it was |
| 11:53.55 | aladds | is there a module it needs |
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| 11:54.22 | streuner | aladds: the easiest way is to just use an 2.6.x kernel |
| 11:54.25 | bliss | I have seen a lot of good books and courses for exim |
| 11:54.27 | xinming | If I ever run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg It will ask me to choose a driver, But Now, It doesn't |
| 11:54.34 | jaken | i have google for 3 hours now but i can't find any site who helps me with the following problem "/usr/src/linux-2.4.32/include/asm/processor.h:75: error, anyone?" I only find Polish pages =/ |
| 11:54.49 | aladds | streuner: i think i have a 2.6 kernel |
| 11:54.59 | ctp | hi folks. anyone here knows a company which delivers ready-to-use mailservers? no mailhoster, but hardware+mailservices. |
| 11:55.02 | aladds | it does say the sound driver is loaded at startup |
| 11:55.08 | aladds | but it doesn;t work |
| 11:55.08 | prudhvi | streuner: thanks a ton!. it is working :) |
| 11:55.24 | streuner | prudhvi: np |
| 11:55.29 | BleSS | how could convert reiser4 partition to ext3? reiser4 is buggy |
| 11:55.38 | Paivakil | bliss: no; there is no need for any gui at all |
| 11:55.41 | streuner | aladds: are any OSS modules loaded in RAM? |
| 11:55.55 | aladds | i don't *think* so |
| 11:56.06 | bliss | no need is that because its pretty stright foeward |
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| 11:56.10 | Paivakil | BleSS: move the data to some other disk, and format i |
| 11:56.16 | Paivakil | *it |
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| 11:56.25 | aladds | base install of sarge + x-window-ststem + kde + kdm |
| 11:56.34 | aladds | and alsa |
| 11:56.42 | streuner | aladds: ok, just disable ARTS then |
| 11:56.45 | bliss | Paivakil thanks so pretty easy to use |
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| 11:57.17 | Paivakil | bliss: np; remember to ask for help on exim4's debian list |
| 11:57.19 | bliss | yes it not its |
| 11:57.19 | aladds | streuner: how would i go about that? |
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| 11:57.31 | streuner | aladds: kcontrol |
| 11:57.46 | liable | aladds: what do you mean by 'i have alsa'? |
| 11:58.04 | aladds | i installed it |
| 11:58.09 | aladds | the package |
| 11:58.14 | bliss | paivakil is that a chat room or a forum ---exim's debian list |
| 11:58.30 | streuner | aladds: ok, just remove it |
| 11:58.41 | streuner | aladds: and use the modules of the kernel itself |
| 11:58.42 | aladds | streuner: just remove alsa? |
| 11:58.55 | streuner | aladds: alsa-source of such |
| 11:58.56 | Zugschlus | bliss: why would a _MAIL_ server have a forum? |
| 11:59.32 | streuner | aladds: so the packages you made out of the source |
| 11:59.47 | bliss | Zugschlus kerio does |
| 11:59.57 | quik_ | only my root user can access /mnt/hdd2, why is that? |
| 12:00.00 | Zugschlus | bliss: kerio is not a mail server |
| 12:00.33 | bliss | Zugschlus yes its the kerio mail server |
| 12:00.47 | streuner | !find kerio |
| 12:00.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kerio' (1): (/var/lib/nessus/plugins/{kerio_PF_buffer_overflow.nasl|kerio_firewall_admin_port.nasl|kerio_mailserver_admin_port.nasl|...}) in admin/nessus-plugins. |
| 12:01.16 | Zugschlus | bliss: that does not seem to be part of Debian |
| 12:01.47 | quik_ | does anyone know why? |
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| 12:01.55 | bliss | Zugschlus yes your correct a bit off topic there |
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| 12:02.34 | firestorm | Howdy. If I have the file /usr/bin/locate how can I find which deb package it belongs to? |
| 12:02.49 | iostream | What could be the reason for the debian installer to be very slow on a fast system? |
| 12:03.03 | bbrazil | firestorm: dpkg -S |
| 12:03.54 | firestorm | bbrazil: slowish but works well - thanks :) |
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| 12:04.31 | quik_ | Zugschlus: do you know why only my root user can mount a partition that is marked as "user" in the fstab file? |
| 12:04.44 | _monty | iostream: What do you mean? |
| 12:05.29 | Zugschlus | quik_: why do you think that I am qualified to answer that over all other people here? |
| 12:05.41 | bbrazil | firestorm: apt-file isn't much faster. you could memorise all the answers |
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| 12:06.08 | quik_ | You're talking and not asking many questions ;) |
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| 12:06.16 | dk | hola |
| 12:06.26 | streuner | hehe :-) |
| 12:06.49 | Zugschlus | quik_: Hrm. |
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| 12:07.11 | Zugschlus | quik_: I suspect that your mount command does not match the fstab line and thus the "user" is ineffective |
| 12:07.17 | aladds | streuner: i didn't compile source |
| 12:07.29 | firestorm | bbrazil: memorise all the answers?!? |
| 12:07.41 | Zugschlus | quik_: iirc, you need to say "mount" with only one parameter which might be either of the first two fstab fields |
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| 12:07.55 | bbrazil | firestorm: yes. for common things its practical, for instance locate+find are in findutils |
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| 12:08.08 | quik_ | Zugschlus: I rebooted the machine... the partitions are still not accessible.. and they auto mount. |
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| 12:08.30 | firestorm | bbrazil: apparently not on solaris...i want updatedb / locate and did a pkg-get -i findutils ... still don't have them (solaris 10) |
| 12:08.34 | bliss | hello again |
| 12:08.35 | sep | after installing vmware-tools. mkinitrd failes with FATAL modules not found. with a broken initrd as a result the reason seam to be the modules vmware-tools installes in /lib/modules/(uname -r)/misc/ becouse if i rm that directory (misc) mkinitrd works as expected. how can i have the vmware-modules in /lib/modules/ and still have mkinitrd function ? |
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| 12:09.23 | sandman | How am I supposed to install kernel-image-2.6-k7 when dist-upgrading from sarge? linux-image-2.6-k7 depends on initramfs-tools, which depends on udev, which depends on linux-image-2.6-k7? |
| 12:09.36 | sandman | It depends on itself, and of course the dependency isn't satisfied. |
| 12:10.00 | Paivakil | sandman: install udev first |
| 12:10.06 | bbrazil | firestorm: this is #debian, not #solaris. you tried SFW? |
| 12:10.13 | Guerin | sandman: you can install one part of it individually first |
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| 12:10.35 | bliss | another newbie question what are the names of the debian packages for the following command on command line a) ps aux b) change c) find d) locate |
| 12:10.35 | tomas_ | how do I kill a pts? like pts/3 |
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| 12:10.45 | bbrazil | firestorm: you'll find that CSW is generally lacking |
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| 12:11.13 | morphex | does anyone know of a simple command to list all installed packages? |
| 12:11.15 | Paivakil | bliss: ps - psutils |
| 12:11.18 | sandman | I can't install udev first |
| 12:11.22 | sandman | It needs linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 12:11.29 | crashbg[work] | can i login in GDM via command line? |
| 12:11.42 | sandman | Or rather, a kernel >= 2.6.12 |
| 12:11.44 | sandman | Or so it says. |
| 12:11.45 | crashbg[work] | something like "gdm --login user --password pass |
| 12:12.02 | streuner | quik_: what the hell is 'afp'? |
| 12:12.03 | sandman | morphex: dpkg -l |
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| 12:12.16 | Guerin | morphex: dpkg --get-selections |
| 12:12.22 | Paivakil | bliss: loccate - findutils |
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| 12:12.31 | crashbg[work] | i've started GDM remotely via ssh |
| 12:12.40 | sandman | Yeah, so this thing is borked. |
| 12:12.41 | Guerin | crashbg[work]: why the fuck would you want to/ |
| 12:12.53 | morphex | thanks Guerin, sandman |
| 12:12.56 | Guerin | crashbg[work]: you can log in using xdmcp, but i don't think that's what you want |
| 12:13.03 | crashbg[work] | Guerin: because i've started vino |
| 12:13.10 | crashbg[work] | Guerin: no, i don't want to use xdmcp |
| 12:13.12 | Paivakil | sandman, `apt-get upgrade' finished? |
| 12:13.12 | Guerin | crashbg[work]: means nothing to me |
| 12:13.15 | bliss | Paivakil thanks |
| 12:13.27 | sandman | Paivakil: Yes. |
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| 12:14.14 | streuner | quik_: NFS? |
| 12:14.14 | crashbg[work] | it's debian gnome vnc server |
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| 12:14.15 | Paivakil | does `apt-get -f install' say anything? |
| 12:14.15 | sandman | Paivakil: But that was from before. |
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| 12:14.15 | sandman | Yeah, apt-get -f install tells me udev depends on a kernel >= 2.6.12 |
| 12:14.15 | aladds | streuner: i removed alsa but sound still doesn't work |
| 12:14.15 | crashbg[work] | so does anyone know howto do it? |
| 12:14.19 | sandman | Which is contained within linux-image-2.6-k7, which I can't install until udev is. |
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| 12:14.24 | sandman | Which depends on linux-image-2.6-k7. |
| 12:14.39 | Guerin | sandman: we know |
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| 12:14.45 | streuner | aladds: hm, did you see any ALSA modules with 'lsmod'? |
| 12:14.47 | Guerin | sandman: you can install the damn things |
| 12:14.55 | Levi- | how do I change from xorg back to xfree86? |
| 12:14.58 | Paivakil | sandman: say `apt-get install udev linux-image-2.6-k8` |
| 12:14.58 | streuner | aladds: s/do/did/ |
| 12:15.04 | tarzeau | Levi-: you're not on stable? |
| 12:15.06 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 12:15.06 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 12:15.20 | Levi- | tarzeau: I'm in stable. used backports.org |
| 12:15.24 | Paivakil | sandman: rather say `apt-get install udev linux-image-2.6-k8 initramfs-tools` |
| 12:15.28 | crashbg[work] | Guerin: ok, can i start the remote gdm via ssh on my local tty8? |
| 12:15.38 | crashbg[work] | tty7 is my local x |
| 12:15.44 | streuner | Levi-: remove package a, install package b? |
| 12:15.48 | Guerin | crashbg[work]: not sure about that. |
| 12:15.49 | aladds | streuner: i see sound modules, but none that relate to alsa |
| 12:15.49 | disposable | how do i force apt to updgrade even the packages it wants to keep in their older versions? so far only apt-get install works on those. |
| 12:16.12 | streuner | aladds: ok, make sure those modules are in kernel anymore... |
| 12:16.32 | streuner | aladds: aren't* |
| 12:16.34 | quik_ | streuner: ntfs |
| 12:16.35 | aladds | ah |
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| 12:16.47 | sandman | Paivakil: Same error. |
| 12:16.53 | quik_ | oh |
| 12:16.58 | streuner | !listkeys ntfs |
| 12:17.00 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ntfs' by key (15 of 29): #debian ntfsrw ;; #debian-bots ro-ntfs ;; _default captiventfs ;; _default ntfs ;; _default ntfs-faq ;; _default ntfsrw ;; mount ntfs ;; ntfs resize ;; ntfs resizing ;; ntfs rw ;; ntfs-faq ;; ntfsro ;; ntfsrw ;; read-ntfs ;; ro-ntfs. |
| 12:17.03 | quik_ | afp apple filesharing |
| 12:17.20 | quik_ | I'm using it rather than samba... |
| 12:17.29 | Guerin | why? |
| 12:17.32 | Guerin | for the love of the gods, why? |
| 12:17.38 | Guerin | samba is bad enough |
| 12:17.40 | aladds | streuner: so what do i need to do to make sound work? |
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| 12:17.44 | quik_ | becuase samba is windows filesharing |
| 12:17.49 | Guerin | crappleb0rk is even worse |
| 12:17.50 | firestorm | bbrazil: yes tried SFW...findutils exists and was installed...btw realise this is #debian but also saw that u were in #solaris :) |
| 12:17.55 | quik_ | seeing as my other machine is a mac |
| 12:18.02 | quik_ | why would I use samba. |
| 12:18.05 | streuner | aladds: i told you, make sure there aren't any OSS modules loading and run 'alsaconf' |
| 12:18.07 | Guerin | install debian on it |
| 12:18.13 | quik_ | bah |
| 12:18.15 | Guerin | get rid of your ntfs shite |
| 12:18.18 | Guerin | problem solved |
| 12:18.23 | sandman | Guerin: Do you know how to fix this, then? You said I can install these |
| 12:18.33 | aladds | streuner: ok |
| 12:18.39 | quik_ | not quite. any idea why regular users can't access the hdd mounts? |
| 12:18.42 | disposable | what are the possible reasons for apt to keep some packages in their older versions? i haven't set anything on hold. |
| 12:18.49 | Malagmyr | !find auto.sshfs |
| 12:18.50 | Guerin | sandman: dpkg -i --force-depends kernel-image-fooversion |
| 12:18.52 | quik_ | in fstab it is set to user... |
| 12:18.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'auto.sshfs' (1): (/usr/bin/auto.sshfs) in utils/lufs-utils. |
| 12:19.07 | Guerin | sandman: followed by aptitude install udev and whatall else |
| 12:19.44 | Guerin | quik_: because you haven't got them set up right |
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| 12:20.01 | quik_ | Guerin: anything more useful to add? |
| 12:20.09 | Guerin | quik_: if yiou're being as vague with your computers as you're being with us, I'm unsurprised things are failing to work |
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| 12:20.25 | Guerin | quik_: yeah. If you're too incompetent to figure this out, hire someone. |
| 12:20.39 | britt | lol, nothing's changed here. |
| 12:20.40 | SlayerXP | Guerin: did you catch him earlier? |
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| 12:20.49 | n00bhead | hi folks |
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| 12:20.58 | SlayerXP | Guerin: <quik_> when I run /etc/fstab I get permission denied |
| 12:21.02 | aladds | w00t!!! |
| 12:21.05 | Guerin | quik_: either that or stop whining about how you can't access your proprietary, patented, braindead obfuscated evil hardware shite. |
| 12:21.15 | britt | segmentation fualt when running a shell script. memory bad? |
| 12:21.19 | aladds | streuner: thankyou!!!!! |
| 12:21.21 | Guerin | SlayerXP: oh, I did see that. It all makes sense now. |
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| 12:21.27 | n00bhead | can someone help with java 1.3 on sid ? |
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| 12:21.30 | streuner | britt: /msg dpkg debstats - i didn't see you often here... |
| 12:21.38 | quik_ | Why are irc nerds such trolls? |
| 12:22.03 | SlayerXP | quik_: are you denying that you asked that question? |
| 12:22.04 | Guerin | !why |
| 12:22.04 | dpkg | Because! |
| 12:22.11 | quik_ | nice. |
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| 12:22.19 | Levi- | when I try to boot my apt-getted kernel, I get this failure: "Alert! /dev/hda2 does not exist." hda2 is my root.. what can I do to fix this? |
| 12:22.19 | britt | streuner: what are you asking? ive been here for three or four days straight |
| 12:22.22 | aladds | now, is the menu applet just not used anymore or does it need configuring? |
| 12:22.26 | disposable | quik_: because we're not psychic and nobody here can read your mind |
| 12:22.31 | Guerin | woo, 3 or 4 days |
| 12:22.42 | quik_ | SlayerXP: haven't you ever been a newbie at something? |
| 12:22.44 | britt | I get outside too. |
| 12:22.44 | Guerin | the man's due for his honourary lifetime presidency any hour now |
| 12:23.04 | britt | dialy dose of sarcasm guerin |
| 12:23.07 | quik_ | Guerin: for your interest - http://rafb.net/paste/results/vWNQAJ94.html |
| 12:23.08 | britt | thats why i come. |
| 12:23.14 | SlayerXP | quik_: sure. but oddly I mostly managed to find answers by reading docs, and using search engines. |
| 12:23.18 | streuner | haha |
| 12:23.27 | Guerin | britt: 555-sargasm, that's me |
| 12:23.39 | britt | :) |
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| 12:23.46 | quik_ | SlayerXP: an honest cock-up. but feel free to try to ridicule me for it ;) |
| 12:23.58 | Paivakil | Levi-: is there is initrd line in the menu.lst? |
| 12:24.07 | britt | Guerin: your thoughts on segmentation fault when running a shell script |
| 12:24.09 | SlayerXP | quik_: there's no "try" involved :) |
| 12:24.16 | Guerin | quik_: ntfs rw is the source of at least some of your fuckuppery |
| 12:24.28 | Guerin | britt: depends on the shell script. /msg dpkg sig11 |
| 12:24.29 | Levi- | Paivakil: yeah, and it's correct. |
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| 12:24.31 | quik_ | Guerin: why is this? |
| 12:24.49 | Guerin | quik_: because there is no rw support for ntfs in free software |
| 12:24.56 | quik_ | oh |
| 12:25.02 | britt | Guerin: IFS="#";for i in `locate *.mp3`;do mp3gain $i;done |
| 12:25.08 | quik_ | so you can't write to the ntfs volumes? |
| 12:25.08 | Guerin | also the permissions on the mount point may be relevant |
| 12:25.11 | quik_ | riiiggght |
| 12:25.32 | quik_ | Guerin: thanks |
| 12:25.48 | Guerin | quik_: not without something like samba, captive, or such |
| 12:25.57 | Guerin | and samba requires vmware or something |
| 12:26.09 | Guerin | so basically, there are 0 good reasons to use ntfs |
| 12:26.14 | Guerin | get rid of it now |
| 12:26.23 | britt | Guerin: i mean do you think that is a huge script? I have like 8000 files? |
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| 12:26.37 | n00bhead | can someone help with java 1.3 on sid ? |
| 12:26.41 | c28 | hi |
| 12:26.46 | c28 | is there anybody using linux |
| 12:26.50 | tarzeau | sure |
| 12:26.51 | britt | nope |
| 12:26.53 | Levi- | lol |
| 12:26.53 | disposable | c28: :) |
| 12:26.54 | SlayerXP | c28: nope. |
| 12:26.55 | tarzeau | n00bhead: what's the issue? |
| 12:26.56 | tijn | erhm |
| 12:26.59 | britt | we're all windows users. I have xp |
| 12:27.04 | c28 | i am looking for someone using knoppix |
| 12:27.06 | tarzeau | or debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 12:27.09 | tarzeau | or debian gnu/hurd |
| 12:27.10 | tijn | i have debian nt6 |
| 12:27.11 | streuner | !ask |
| 12:27.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:27.13 | SlayerXP | c28: try #knoppix |
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| 12:27.14 | tarzeau | c28: #knoppix |
| 12:27.14 | Paivakil | c28: I use GNU/Linux |
| 12:27.14 | britt | #knoppix |
| 12:27.17 | tarzeau | !they don't know |
| 12:27.18 | c28 | i am using knoppix 4.0 |
| 12:27.18 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 12:27.25 | tarzeau | !based on debian |
| 12:27.26 | dpkg | Sorry you're not running Debian, but something based off of it. If you're lucky you might get help in #debian, otherwise your best bet is to use the support channel for your chosen distro. If people tell you to go there, please don't argue/complain or demand support |
| 12:27.27 | quik_ | Guerin: except that I still have windows installed |
| 12:27.34 | Guerin | quik_: easily fixed |
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| 12:27.42 | quik_ | heh |
| 12:27.50 | britt | lol |
| 12:27.56 | Guerin | quik_: windows works with fat32, which while it's a shit filesystem, is less shit than ntfs in that it's supportable |
| 12:27.58 | c28 | dudu |
| 12:28.01 | tijn | c28, this is all linux |
| 12:28.30 | britt | Guerin: pop in new ram and try it out |
| 12:28.43 | c28 | who can help me with knoppix |
| 12:28.51 | britt | #knoppix can |
| 12:28.56 | c28 | there is no suchj channel |
| 12:28.58 | tarzeau | !repeat |
| 12:28.58 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:28.58 | britt | who's in there? Ive used it once |
| 12:28.59 | streuner | c28: we already told you |
| 12:29.07 | quik_ | Guerin: is it possible to change the format of a partition with data on it? |
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| 12:29.08 | c28 | oh there is :) |
| 12:29.11 | signius | Hi Guys |
| 12:29.17 | c28 | by the way |
| 12:29.20 | c28 | maybe u wanna know |
| 12:29.24 | tarzeau | !u |
| 12:29.24 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:29.27 | c28 | i tried to install debian |
| 12:29.30 | c28 | but it has a bug |
| 12:29.34 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 12:29.34 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 12:29.43 | tijn | between the screen and the chair? |
| 12:29.43 | streuner | tarzeau: |
| 12:29.47 | c28 | it doesnt recognize different screen input ranges |
| 12:29.57 | c28 | bye |
| 12:30.02 | britt | c28: like refesth rates? |
| 12:30.04 | Paivakil | c28: ask dpkg about configuring xorg |
| 12:30.04 | c28 | yes |
| 12:30.07 | c28 | ?t has a bug |
| 12:30.12 | c28 | maybe u r interested in this |
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| 12:30.20 | c28 | u cannot |
| 12:30.20 | Paivakil | c28: what graphic card are you using? |
| 12:30.26 | c28 | because i have never been able to install it |
| 12:30.27 | britt | I use debian, and OS 8, and OS X |
| 12:30.29 | n00bhead | tarzeau my buddy needs java 1.3 for a programme but its for woody. we use unstable ... |
| 12:30.35 | Guerin | britt: strace to see what part of that loop segfaults |
| 12:30.38 | c28 | when u rty to install it |
| 12:30.38 | tarzeau | streuner: hi |
| 12:30.51 | c28 | and if your screen uses an range out of the debian's range |
| 12:30.53 | britt | thats a command, or the attempt at typing strafe |
| 12:30.55 | c28 | u cannot install it |
| 12:30.57 | c28 | anyway |
| 12:30.58 | c28 | bye |
| 12:31.03 | britt | i can stafe all day it it STILL wont work |
| 12:31.06 | britt | lol |
| 12:31.16 | c28 | pail |
| 12:31.19 | c28 | s3 savage |
| 12:31.26 | britt | c28: calm down. |
| 12:31.28 | Guerin | !s3 |
| 12:31.28 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 12:31.30 | signius | Can anyone tell me how i selct packages for installation with aptitude during the install i have tried everything i thought shoudl work but whenever i press g it says nothing has been selected for installation what am i doing wrong ? |
| 12:31.32 | c28 | i am calm |
| 12:31.46 | quik_ | Guerin: http://www.kruyt.org/?sub_item=46 captive as a deb |
| 12:31.47 | c28 | but i also need to talk in #knoppix since i have problems with it too :) |
| 12:32.04 | britt | c28: why dont you try out debian? |
| 12:32.09 | c28 | i told you |
| 12:32.13 | c28 | i tried to install |
| 12:32.19 | c28 | but at the and of installation |
| 12:32.21 | britt | wait |
| 12:32.25 | Paivakil | signius: highlght the package(s) you want using the up and down arrows keys and hit + to select, - to deselect |
| 12:32.28 | britt | what card are you telling it to use |
| 12:32.36 | c28 | i cannot see anything on the screen since it doesnt recognize the input range of my secreen |
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| 12:32.41 | signius | ah thanks |
| 12:32.47 | ice_1963 | you can install Debian |
| 12:32.47 | britt | vesa, or are you installing the xfree86 server for s3? |
| 12:33.01 | signius | i will go an try that i have been having a nightmare getting debian setup on my laptop |
| 12:33.02 | c28 | who is talking to me please? |
| 12:33.06 | signius | thanks for the help |
| 12:33.10 | britt | c28: does your monitor recognize 640x480 or 800x600 |
| 12:33.11 | signius | i will return at some point |
| 12:33.13 | signius | thanks |
| 12:33.21 | c28 | britt with windows and knoppix yes very well |
| 12:33.34 | britt | debian shouldnt be *ANY* different |
| 12:33.56 | c28 | even well britt |
| 12:34.07 | c28 | while others have no problem ininstallation debian had |
| 12:34.13 | britt | s3 cards...I havent used yet. I just brought a linux box uip from the dead with a sis card in it |
| 12:34.21 | britt | can ya borrow a card? |
| 12:34.50 | c28 | well my computer is not a very advanced one |
| 12:34.50 | c28 | but it is ok for me |
| 12:34.54 | c28 | if windows xp worls on it well i expect a linux/gnu to work better :) |
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| 12:35.02 | Paivakil | c28: do you get the command line? |
| 12:35.07 | britt | yeah this system was a P2-300 |
| 12:35.09 | c28 | britt to be honest i wouldnt just to run a "linux" |
| 12:35.19 | c28 | pail unfortunately no |
| 12:35.29 | c28 | it has no command line during the installation |
| 12:35.30 | britt | my *FASTEST* computer is a sthlon 1800+ and its in pieces |
| 12:35.41 | c28 | after the installation and restrt the screen goes fuzzy |
| 12:35.57 | britt | c28: yeah you need a different server for xfree86 |
| 12:36.05 | Paivakil | c28: *after* the installation? |
| 12:36.12 | britt | you're choosing the s3 driver? |
| 12:36.23 | disposable | c28: try to save a copy of the /etc/X11/xorg.conf or XF86Config--4 and check the differences between the knoppix one and the debian one. that's how i debug my X configuration. |
| 12:36.34 | c28 | server? |
| 12:36.34 | c28 | i am taking bout an installation by a cd |
| 12:36.34 | c28 | my computer isnt connected to internet |
| 12:36.34 | c28 | the one im trying to install debian i mmean |
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| 12:36.45 | britt | Guerin: is that a command? to pipe through my stuff? |
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| 12:37.01 | c28 | pail |
| 12:37.03 | c28 | r u there |
| 12:37.11 | britt | !paste |
| 12:37.12 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 12:37.23 | Paivakil | c28: it is Paivakil |
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| 12:37.31 | c28 | oh sorry |
| 12:37.32 | c28 | ok |
| 12:37.38 | c28 | i have cds of debian |
| 12:37.43 | c28 | when i install the debian |
| 12:37.47 | britt | c28: good luck, i'm out |
| 12:37.48 | c28 | it is ok at the beginning |
| 12:37.48 | Paivakil | xserver-xorg is an application |
| 12:37.55 | c28 | *kiss* brit thanks |
| 12:37.57 | britt | Guerin: thanks, as always :) |
| 12:38.07 | c28 | but at a step of the installation |
| 12:38.08 | britt | c28: i'm a guy actually |
| 12:38.12 | c28 | screen goes fuzzy and says |
| 12:38.14 | britt | thats not....right. |
| 12:38.17 | britt | later |
| 12:38.21 | c28 | the input range is out of range or stg like this |
| 12:38.27 | c28 | britt i know |
| 12:38.31 | c28 | no problem dfor me :) |
| 12:38.34 | Paivakil | c28: when you boot from the cd? |
| 12:38.38 | britt | c28: oh...lol |
| 12:38.40 | c28 | yes paivakil |
| 12:38.45 | britt | good luck |
| 12:38.47 | c28 | thanks |
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| 12:38.49 | c28 | you too |
| 12:39.02 | Paivakil | which cds are you using? Woody? Sarge? |
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| 12:39.13 | c28 | hmm debian written on them |
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| 12:39.20 | c28 | i forgot the version |
| 12:39.45 | c28 | but |
| 12:40.01 | c28 | i expect an os to understand the input range of my screen automatically :( |
| 12:40.07 | c28 | like the others |
| 12:40.07 | Paivakil | find; you should be able to fix your problems if you use the later versions of the kernel |
| 12:40.17 | c28 | hmm |
| 12:40.19 | c28 | i hope so |
| 12:40.31 | Paivakil | err. that was for c28 |
| 12:40.38 | c28 | i know |
| 12:40.42 | c28 | i hear it yes thanks |
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| 12:41.19 | Paivakil | c28: but for some boards, the manufacturers just do not release the specs, so the kernel developers can write code for the board only *after* the h/w hits the market |
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| 12:41.56 | c28 | u r from finland? |
| 12:42.01 | Paivakil | so, using a kernel released 3 to 6 months after the h/w is released will mean better support for your h/w |
| 12:42.12 | c28 | hmm |
| 12:42.16 | c28 | thats also true |
| 12:42.19 | c28 | i mean possible |
| 12:42.30 | Paivakil | who, me? no way. I am from a place 5.30 Hrs ahead of GMT |
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| 12:42.41 | c28 | so where is it exactly |
| 12:43.02 | c28 | australia? |
| 12:43.15 | Paivakil | c28: if you have good bandwidth, get a debian netinstall cd image; that is, if your Existing CDs are woody |
| 12:43.21 | ice_1963 | usa |
| 12:43.24 | Paivakil | c28: india |
| 12:43.26 | jm_ | as a hint, very few timezones have half-an hour offsets ;) |
| 12:43.29 | c28 | hmm |
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| 12:43.31 | jm_ | yeah India being one of them |
| 12:43.33 | c28 | ok thanks anyway |
| 12:43.38 | beardy | jm_: really? |
| 12:43.42 | jm_ | beardy: yeah |
| 12:43.45 | Paivakil | IST is GMT+5.30 hrs |
| 12:43.48 | beardy | jm_: strange.. |
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| 12:44.42 | c28 | there is nobody in #knoppix :( |
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| 12:46.05 | Paivakil | c28: for your h/w, one way of getting a working debian install will be to say `uname -r' in a terminal from knoppix, and find a version of debian install cd which uses that kernel |
| 12:46.14 | donohu | not able to get mpplayerplug-in to work with firefox1.5. i have re-compiled the plug-in, after checking that my mozilla-dev is the latest. anyone got it working? |
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| 12:47.14 | xpato | hi |
| 12:48.52 | xpato | where its the init scripts result (RC) get written? |
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| 12:49.09 | jm_ | nowhere |
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| 12:49.55 | Malagmyr | How do I use the module-assistant to install the lufs module? |
| 12:49.57 | xpato | im asking because heartbeat has some problem with the status |
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| 12:50.09 | c28 | hi |
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| 12:50.44 | jm_ | no info in /usr/share/doc/lufs? |
| 12:50.57 | sewi | hello, how to change fonts in console into terminus? I installed console-terminus package but dpkg-reconfigure console-common doesn't give me an option to switch to terminus font. Any idea? |
| 12:51.30 | jm_ | sewi: try to edit the files manually then |
| 12:52.19 | sewi | jm_: which files to edit? |
| 12:52.53 | coolpix | lo |
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| 12:53.05 | jm_ | sewi: /etc/console-tools/config |
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| 12:54.11 | sewi | jm_: thanks |
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| 12:58.16 | tomas_ | how do I kill a pts? |
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| 12:59.35 | jm_ | tomaw: you don't kill it |
| 12:59.58 | jm_ | sorry ;) |
| 13:00.14 | tomaw | :) |
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| 13:04.01 | justletters | jm_: but how do i end it? like someone is logged in at ssh. and i want to kill by pts/id |
| 13:04.27 | justletters | do i have to ps aux |grep user |grep bash ? its not the same thing :/ |
| 13:04.41 | beardy | justletters: Send a HUP to the shell that the user is running. |
| 13:04.49 | petemc | or install slay |
| 13:04.50 | justletters | whats a hup |
| 13:04.56 | jm_ | justletters: kill ssh |
| 13:04.56 | beardy | justletters: man kill |
| 13:05.20 | jm_ | there's also a kernel module that lets you close a mandatory connection, then there's cutter |
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| 13:06.05 | justletters | jm_: cool, what's the name of the module? |
| 13:06.20 | jm_ | justletters: I don't remember |
| 13:06.21 | beardy | justletters: HUP is a signal, meaning HangUP, but read the manual. |
| 13:06.31 | justletters | that i will |
| 13:06.37 | bbrazil | justletters: pkill -t |
| 13:06.37 | jm_ | yeah just do that, it's easier |
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| 13:07.14 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 13:07.31 | plb | hrm anyone having issues with 2.6.15 kernel |
| 13:07.32 | Fox_1_ | how can i install debian to SCSI hdd?? |
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| 13:08.55 | possie | anyone that happends to know a program that will let my design my room, and 3d model it, with premade objects? |
| 13:09.42 | Fox_1_ | how can i install debian to SCSI hdd?? |
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| 13:10.07 | epsilon | Fox_1_: /dev/sd[a,b,c,d...] |
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| 13:10.31 | ircdevil | i dont get this. is it not possible to have wget overwrite files? |
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| 13:12.07 | ootput | why are you wgetting the same file? are you trying to resume download instead? |
| 13:12.30 | ircdevil | ootput: not really. the file i am getting gets changed overnight. |
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| 13:13.01 | Prudhvi | Hi, yesterday i was writing some Kernel Modules, so of them were insmod correctly.But, when i remove one of them it failed.After the very next gnome-session i have lost most of the kernel modules like ethernet and nvidia any reason ? |
| 13:13.05 | bronaugh | uhh why is swi-prolog package in Deb fucked? |
| 13:13.09 | ootput | ircdevil: there's a flag to overwrite if timestamps are different, iirc |
| 13:13.33 | Fox_1_ | epsilon: but i didn't installed that, yet. |
| 13:13.37 | ircdevil | ootput: i can only get it to skip overwriting, or to append .1 to the file |
| 13:13.48 | ircdevil | to the filename, that is |
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| 13:13.52 | bronaugh | I take examples off the web, plug them into swi-prolog as installed on debian, and they don't work. |
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| 13:14.21 | ootput | ircdevil: try wget -Nr |
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| 13:14.57 | ootput | -r will suffice |
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| 13:15.25 | sandman | Will this work for testing updates?: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 13:15.43 | Fox_1_ | epsilon: when i put CD it booting from cdrom, after that it write __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0) VM: killing process cp |
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| 13:16.08 | ootput | !etch security |
| 13:16.08 | dpkg | hmm... testing security is Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
| 13:17.09 | ircdevil | ootput: funny. --recursive allows overwriting, but i am only going for a single file and not recursive download. |
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| 13:17.48 | Fox_1_ | epsilon: any ideas? |
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| 13:19.08 | nvz | Prudhvi: you will have to try and be specific. all I can gather from what you said is that you tained your kernel with poorly programmed modules and now its broke and thats to be expected, and off-topic here. |
| 13:19.48 | sandman | How useful is LVM? |
| 13:19.49 | Prudhvi | nvz, all those Modules are Hello World Modules |
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| 13:20.32 | nvz | Prudhvi: hello world, I tained my kernel and now it doesnt work? |
| 13:20.35 | bushwakko | hey, still got some issues with installing javaapps under debian, it the java script has like resourcefiles? where do they go? |
| 13:21.51 | bushwakko | I've read the policy files, but I see nothing there :/ |
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| 13:23.28 | sandman | So when will secure-testing-master.debian.net be the default choice for apt-spy, when choosing testing or etch as the distribution? |
| 13:23.37 | sandman | Or is it that way already |
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| 13:25.30 | cmdKeen | is there some Debian way to make clipboard work the same way as in Windblow$ ? something like gnome-clipboard-daemon or something... |
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| 13:26.12 | tarzeau | cmdKeen: for which app? |
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| 13:26.28 | tarzeau | cmdKeen: screen has copy paste, x has copy paste, gnustep has, gnome has, kde has... |
| 13:26.33 | tarzeau | and it's all different |
| 13:26.38 | bronaugh | ok, so swi-prolog not broken. |
| 13:26.39 | resiak | cmdKeen: You mean the whole save-the-clipboard-when-the-app-quits thing? When the newer Gnome that has that daemon enters Debian, it'll just work |
| 13:26.41 | bronaugh | my brain is broken. |
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| 13:28.14 | phu | what is the command for searching "mips-linux-gcc" string in files within a directory? |
| 13:28.33 | bronaugh | grep "mips-linux-gcc" * |
| 13:28.42 | phu | I want to know which find contain that string |
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| 13:28.57 | resiak | yes, what bronaugh said will do that |
| 13:29.05 | sandman | Does emacs or vim support numbered, or "outlined" lists? |
| 13:29.18 | sandman | I'd like to create an outline with a text editor. One that includes support for incrementing bullets and the like |
| 13:29.29 | sandman | Basically a text editor with all the features of a "word processor" |
| 13:29.44 | resiak | lyx! |
| 13:29.49 | bbrazil | sandman: lyx |
| 13:29.52 | resiak | or just write it in latex in general |
| 13:29.53 | bronaugh | sandman: use emacs to create LaTeX? |
| 13:29.59 | phu | thans |
| 13:30.02 | phu | thanks |
| 13:30.29 | sandman | Is lyx for the console? (looks at apt-cache show lyx..) |
| 13:30.34 | ootput | sandman: lyx is fantastic |
| 13:31.10 | ootput | great for thesis or research |
| 13:31.13 | sandman | ootput: Hm. LaTeX.. never heard of it. |
| 13:31.28 | resiak | sandman: Write latex in $EDITOR. latex does lists. Go learn it, it's a useful life skill :-) |
| 13:31.41 | jes-o-mat | indeed |
| 13:31.48 | ootput | daunting |
| 13:32.07 | sandman | I heard emacs is a good thing to learn. |
| 13:32.13 | sandman | But I also hear vim can do the same stuff. |
| 13:32.16 | ootput | well you heard wrong |
| 13:32.19 | ootput | :) |
| 13:32.27 | sandman | If I learned everything there is to know about emacs and vim, which would end up being the fastest to use? |
| 13:32.30 | resiak | sandman: Both have tetris-complete scriptability |
| 13:32.31 | bronaugh | vim is an interesting text editor. |
| 13:32.34 | resiak | sandman: Whichever one you prefer |
| 13:32.36 | bronaugh | but I use emacs when I want to get stuff done. |
| 13:32.40 | resiak | sandman: but you will never learn everything. |
| 13:32.40 | jes-o-mat | sandman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEX |
| 13:32.48 | sandman | resiak: For emacs? |
| 13:32.59 | resiak | sandman: for either |
| 13:32.59 | jes-o-mat | resiak: but you'll always try =) |
| 13:33.03 | resiak | jes-o-mat: Sure |
| 13:33.06 | sandman | resiak: I see. |
| 13:33.11 | ootput | sandman: you'll end up learning as much as you need to |
| 13:33.19 | bushwakko | hey, still got some issues with installing javaapps under debian, it the java script has like resourcefiles? where do they go? I've read the policy stuff, but no info there |
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| 13:33.54 | sandman | Okay. I heard one can do everything with emacs. |
| 13:33.57 | sandman | Is this true? |
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| 13:34.07 | bronaugh | no |
| 13:34.12 | bronaugh | you can't do everything with anything. |
| 13:34.13 | sandman | Or just about everything. But this is, once again, heresay. I'm just trying to clear things up for myself. |
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| 13:34.20 | ircdevil | sandman: well, its a decent editor |
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| 13:34.49 | ircdevil | !start an editor war |
| 13:34.49 | dpkg | zile users need to get a life |
| 13:34.54 | ircdevil | !start an editor war |
| 13:34.54 | nvz | dpkg, emacs |
| 13:35.06 | themp | xemacs |
| 13:35.08 | sandman | Was it something I said? Lol sorry |
| 13:35.23 | themp | you spelled it wrong |
| 13:35.26 | nvz | dpkg, hello |
| 13:35.29 | bronaugh | emacs is pretty good. |
| 13:35.34 | bronaugh | it sucks for things like Java. |
| 13:35.40 | bronaugh | or anything else with a huge API. |
| 13:35.43 | bronaugh | it also look like someone shat it out. |
| 13:35.44 | saftsack | in which package can i find aclocal? |
| 13:35.53 | Lin | hi all... there is someway to install packeges to a root dir without chroot him. Example: I have a device that is a another debian root filesystem (remotely mounted). Or a pendrive. |
| 13:36.09 | themp | yeah well use eclipse for java I wrote some applets with vi for java. |
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| 13:36.37 | sandman | How easy is it to install Debian to a USB drive and boot from it? |
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| 13:36.47 | sandman | Will it be fast enough to be usable? |
| 13:36.49 | aidehua | It's bad when a machine never boots past its graphics card BIOS, right? |
| 13:36.55 | azuroth | is there an easy way to unmount / (for parted purposes), or should I just get a livecd? |
| 13:37.05 | themp | how easy would it be to get all the broken links on debian.org fixed :) |
| 13:37.25 | bronaugh | sandman: on USB2 should be fine. |
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| 13:37.26 | nvz | themp: file a bug |
| 13:37.30 | bronaugh | USB 1.1 would be painful. |
| 13:37.40 | nvz | themp: including fixes always helps too |
| 13:37.46 | themp | bah it all for non x86 platforms |
| 13:37.53 | Fox_1_ | i can't understand the debian didn't used in servers?? how to install that in scsi hdd? |
| 13:37.57 | Lin | sandman: is useable. |
| 13:38.06 | sandman | bronaugh: USB2 is fast, yes? ~30MBps? |
| 13:38.07 | Fox_1_ | in google only ide ide and again ide |
| 13:38.20 | chealer9 | !tell saftsack about find aclocal |
| 13:38.32 | Coweater | Fox_1_: it works fine on scsi drives |
| 13:38.54 | bronaugh | sandman: plenty. |
| 13:38.56 | Fox_1_ | Coweater: and how to install it??? |
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| 13:39.12 | themp | man i have to get some voice to text or mouse poinrter working. my left hand has been paralized for a month now from typing too much. not carpal. |
| 13:39.13 | saftsack | chealer9, thanks |
| 13:39.27 | Coweater | the same way you install to an ide hard drive, unless you have an unsupported controller |
| 13:39.36 | saftsack | chealer9, howto get version 1.9? |
| 13:39.37 | themp | laptops seem to put pressure on the wrong spot in the wrists |
| 13:39.40 | saftsack | i have sid |
| 13:39.57 | Fox_1_ | Coweater: how to check it? |
| 13:40.00 | themp | how is sid ? |
| 13:40.11 | saftsack | i mean etch |
| 13:40.24 | nvz | themp: shouldnt put any pressure on your wrists. you should keep them elevated.. if you cant do it yourself you need a wrist rest |
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| 13:41.00 | chealer9 | saftsack: oh, you scared me |
| 13:41.09 | themp | nvz it was a few long days. nowq i dont leave my hands on the keyboard. the laptop its easy to do. |
| 13:41.14 | chealer9 | saftsack: just install the package which contains it |
| 13:41.56 | saftsack | chealer9, oh yes found it |
| 13:42.04 | saftsack | i didnt see the different versions ^^ |
| 13:42.23 | nvz | themp: its not to hard to fire a gun backwards either, but doesnt mean I am gonna fuckin shoot myself :P |
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| 13:43.20 | themp | dpkg eclipse + ppc |
| 13:43.24 | me_here | is http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ a valid directory for installing sarge minimal ? |
| 13:43.36 | themp | nvz i didnt have any idea |
| 13:44.01 | juice` | why MAKEDEV doesnt make devices i have in my system ? im doing MAKEDEV sd and it is not making sda1 sda2 sdb1 and such, which i have and even i have them mounted |
| 13:44.08 | themp | nvz i have been doing it for a long time. no problems. |
| 13:44.09 | resiak | juice`: udev? |
| 13:44.11 | cmdKeen | tarzeau, resiak ok, that's what i needed to know. |
| 13:44.24 | juice` | resiak: this is server, i dont see a point installing udev there... |
| 13:44.37 | chealer9 | me_here: what do you mean by sarge minimal? |
| 13:44.46 | sandman | Okay, I managed to install linux-image-2.6-k7 via dpkg -i --force-depends, but when I try to apt-get install udev, it still complains that it requires a >=2.6.12 kernel! |
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| 13:44.57 | resiak | juice`: It was a suggestion for why stuff could be breaking, not a suggestion for how to fix it :-) |
| 13:45.00 | sandman | I can't --force-depends udev, and I can't boot the 2.6.15 that I force-installed. |
| 13:45.05 | sandman | How do I get udev to install? |
| 13:45.13 | chealer9 | sandman: which linux version? |
| 13:45.17 | sandman | chealer9: 2.6.15 |
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| 13:45.31 | juice` | resiak: oh :) i dont have udevn installed, but i just removed /dev/.udev and /dev/.udevdb for sure |
| 13:45.47 | chealer9 | sandman: running sarge? |
| 13:45.47 | juice` | rasiak: but that doesnt help either. i type # MAKEDEV sd |
| 13:45.59 | sandman | chealer9: I dist-upgraded to etch |
| 13:46.05 | sandman | Trying to make things work now |
| 13:46.06 | juice` | resiak: and ls -la shows only brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 0 2006-02-14 14:38 sda |
| 13:46.20 | juice` | resiak: no sda1 sda2... no sdb even |
| 13:46.37 | chealer9 | sandman: what were you running before? |
| 13:46.41 | juice` | resiak: this system won't get up without these devices i think |
| 13:46.59 | me_here | chealer9: just want a minimal debian installation with debootstrap |
| 13:47.03 | resiak | juice`: Okay. I don't know. |
| 13:47.42 | chealer9 | me_here: I don't know debootstrap, but did you download it? |
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| 13:47.48 | me_here | chealer9: am on knoppix-live and all is fine except to the point debootstrap fails on retrieving gcrypt7 or so! |
| 13:48.07 | Teklap | Um guys... what exactly on a box sets the netbios name? |
| 13:48.14 | Guerin | me_here: edit the bootstrap script to grap the correct package |
| 13:48.23 | Teklap | I got samba setup on this server.. yet I can't ping it by name |
| 13:48.42 | chealer9 | me_here: you're trying to use debootstrap in knoppix-live :?? |
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| 13:49.16 | Guerin | me_here: or try debootstrapping sarge, which won't have changed since that cd was made |
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| 13:49.28 | Guerin | me_here: unless it's very old, in which case you should buy another one |
| 13:49.49 | me_here | Guerin: it's a knoppix-3.6 CD |
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| 13:49.59 | Guerin | me_here: means nothing to me |
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| 13:50.18 | themp | ah what channel would i go to to gind out about debian and the 64bit userland ultrasparc port ? |
| 13:50.18 | me_here | Guerin: never mind |
| 13:50.18 | Guerin | look at the date: if it's after about june 2005, sarge should work fine |
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| 13:50.24 | sandman | chealer9: Sarge. |
| 13:50.34 | sandman | I just ran a simple dist-upgrade and everything broke. |
| 13:50.36 | tarzeau | themp: #sparc |
| 13:50.42 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 13:50.43 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 13:50.46 | tarzeau | sandman: don't do that then |
| 13:50.55 | tarzeau | sandman: a dist-upgrade isn't simple |
| 13:51.17 | chealer9 | sandman: OK, running kernel 2.6 I guess. did you try hiding in 2.4 while udev upgrades? |
| 13:51.27 | Guerin | sandman: have you tried running aptitude install all the packages which are breaking/ |
| 13:51.30 | hackeron | sandman: "I just ran a simple dist-upgrade" - I like that :) |
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| 13:51.48 | Guerin | well |
| 13:51.50 | Guerin | honestly |
| 13:52.08 | Guerin | all this udev stuff is broken because the maintainer insists it's the only way to handle it |
| 13:52.34 | Guerin | which most people don't believe, but nobody appears to be arsed ficxing |
| 13:52.44 | chealer9 | Guerin: heh, you're welcome to debian-release if you have magical ideas |
| 13:52.54 | Guerin | chealer9: right :) |
| 13:53.07 | chealer9 | !udevsmite Guerin |
| 13:53.13 | Guerin | heh |
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| 13:53.55 | Guerin | when I did it it was just a matter of forcing one and then letting the others catch up |
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| 13:54.08 | Guerin | it's not nice, but it's not exacly hard either |
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| 13:56.04 | juice` | why MAKEDEV doesnt make devices i have in my system ? im doing MAKEDEV sd and it is not making sda1 sda2 sdb1 and such, which i have and even i have them mounted |
| 13:56.19 | juice` | i don't have udev installed |
| 13:56.21 | sandman | Guerin: No. |
| 13:56.24 | sandman | Guerin: Will aptitude fix many things? |
| 13:56.37 | juice` | (but i had, i uinstalled it with apt-get --purge remove udev) |
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| 13:57.06 | vimman | is The_Code_Linux.avi free ? |
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| 13:57.22 | fatal_ | vimman: I doubt it... |
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| 13:58.38 | Guerin | sandman: aptitude does cure many ills |
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| 13:58.47 | Guerin | sandman: these days it cures more than it causes |
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| 13:59.17 | Guerin | Fox_1_: debian, being an OS from the 20th century, is smart enough to figure out how much ram you have |
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| 13:59.28 | ircdevil | anyone know how robust wgets --continue option is? |
| 13:59.38 | Guerin | ircdevil: define robust |
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| 14:00.35 | ircdevil | Guerin: imagine a huge database that takes like a days to download, and the download script is killed half way. download script uses wget. |
| 14:01.03 | Guerin | ircdevil: sane people use tar and/or split |
| 14:01.19 | ircdevil | Guerin: i am downloading from a public ftp site |
| 14:01.22 | Guerin | ircdevil: it should work, but you won't know until the whole thing comes in |
| 14:01.41 | ircdevil | Guerin: define "should work" :o) |
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| 14:01.53 | Guerin | ircdevil: I would bet a beer on it |
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| 14:02.02 | ircdevil | really? |
| 14:02.08 | Guerin | yeah. But not a case. |
| 14:02.13 | hackeron | ircdevil: I would use rsync -P -- it wont mind even a small part in the middle of the file being currupted - it md5sums small chunks as it downloads re-downloading anything thats broken and skipping everything already downloaded |
| 14:02.18 | phu | hi, i just have my desktop icons disappeared. what should i do |
| 14:02.21 | Guerin | right |
| 14:02.27 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: when i run installation it write that my memory is too small and it most be at lesst 22mb(but in my comp it's 32mb) |
| 14:02.48 | ircdevil | hackeron: that requires that the public server supports rsync, and it dont. |
| 14:02.50 | phu | everything else work just fine |
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| 14:03.05 | hackeron | ircdevil: well, it works through ssh |
| 14:03.14 | Guerin | Fox_1_: onboard video? |
| 14:03.25 | ircdevil | hackeron: who want to download 400 gb through ssh? |
| 14:03.29 | Guerin | phyberoptix: details |
| 14:03.34 | Guerin | phu: details |
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| 14:03.52 | Guerin | ircdevil: what is this public 400mb database, anyway? |
| 14:04.08 | ircdevil | Guerin: hrm, i better check that this server support the required header - and get on doing some testing. |
| 14:04.08 | Guerin | actually, sane people don't use tar and split |
| 14:04.10 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: yes, but i turn off it from bios. (Compaq ProSignia 500) |
| 14:04.13 | ircdevil | Guerin: genbank |
| 14:04.13 | Guerin | sane people use par2 |
| 14:04.14 | hackeron | ircdevil: the real question is who would want to download 400gb from ftp/http |
| 14:04.25 | jm_ | par2++ |
| 14:04.25 | ircdevil | hackeron: easy - me |
| 14:04.34 | sandman | Guerin: Aptitude did not fix. |
| 14:04.42 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: i add pci video |
| 14:04.56 | Guerin | sandman: incorrect emphasis. you should say 'I could not fix this using aptitude.' |
| 14:05.09 | phu | i try to transfer some file from my external HD to my desktop. i stopped it when i found something wrong with the command, and restart. all icons on desktop disappeared |
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| 14:05.42 | bliss | hello all |
| 14:06.01 | nvz | dpkg, hello |
| 14:06.09 | Guerin | Fox_1_: dunno, then. Sarge's installer works in 20MB, as I recall. |
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| 14:06.16 | nvz | I wonder if there is a reason why dpkg has been ignoring me |
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| 14:06.29 | Guerin | Fox_1_: I know woody works in 12MB with swap. |
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| 14:07.07 | bliss | trying to login to webmin is it the normal user name and root password or is it root as user name and root passwaord |
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| 14:07.19 | Guerin | bliss: never use webmin |
| 14:07.25 | bliss | why |
| 14:07.30 | Guerin | !webmin |
| 14:07.30 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 14:07.31 | nvz | bliss: because. |
| 14:07.43 | Guerin | bliss: webmin's debian maintainer refuses to support it |
| 14:07.48 | Guerin | bliss: that's how bad it is |
| 14:07.50 | nvz | bliss: this is the kind of thing you would see on an embedded appliance for idiots |
| 14:07.57 | nvz | bliss: not on a desktop |
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| 14:08.13 | phu | any solution? |
| 14:08.16 | beardy | Fox_1_: Works fine with 8MB and swap too. |
| 14:08.23 | beardy | damnit |
| 14:08.23 | Guerin | phu: try logging out and back in |
| 14:08.26 | beardy | Guerin: ^^ |
| 14:08.27 | bliss | an alternative please |
| 14:08.34 | phu | i tried 3 times |
| 14:08.35 | Guerin | bliss: ssh |
| 14:08.42 | nvz | bliss: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:08.45 | phu | i even tried to upgrade the system |
| 14:08.45 | Guerin | phu: no idea, then. |
| 14:08.52 | phu | doesn't help |
| 14:09.16 | Guerin | phu: which icons disappeared, and what files did you copy? |
| 14:09.26 | bliss | set up postfix via webmin because my knowledGE on command line is limited at the moment |
| 14:09.36 | phu | I copy to different place |
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| 14:09.49 | Guerin | bliss: ok, don't do that. |
| 14:10.06 | phu | the computer, home..... |
| 14:10.07 | Guerin | bliss: postfix is complicated enough that webmin is very likely to fuck it up horribl,y |
| 14:10.14 | phu | all desktop icon |
| 14:10.16 | phu | s |
| 14:10.31 | Guerin | !jatfq phu |
| 14:10.31 | dpkg | phu: Just Answer The Fucking Question |
| 14:10.35 | bliss | no ok ---what other gui does postfix have none that I can find |
| 14:10.47 | douglas | bliss: this is not a webmin-friendly channel |
| 14:10.55 | nvz | I've never configured postfix, but beind an mail program it probably has a damn good debconf configuration |
| 14:11.06 | xam | ln -s #webmin-hates #debian |
| 14:11.10 | Guerin | bliss: none, right. You need to edit config files, or you need to use exim4, which is the default in debian and has opreset configs, or you need to hire an admin to do it for you |
| 14:11.12 | xam | haters even |
| 14:11.24 | Guerin | bliss: there are few things as evil as a badly set up mailserver |
| 14:11.36 | azeem | xam: Chuck Norris doesn't hate, he kills |
| 14:11.46 | Guerin | postfix doesn't have debconferoonies |
| 14:11.47 | bliss | dyes I think webin is problaby a easy hack |
| 14:11.50 | Guerin | not that I know of anyway |
| 14:11.57 | azeem | Guerin: I thought it has |
| 14:12.08 | Guerin | azeem: maybe it does now, I last set it up in woody |
| 14:12.21 | azeem | # Script to configure Postfix. |
| 14:12.24 | azeem | use Debconf::Client::ConfModule qw(:all); |
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| 14:12.45 | xam | azeem: There are no disabled people. Only people who have met Chuck Norris. |
| 14:12.55 | azeem | Guerin: Ubuntu uses it by default, so maybe they pushed that |
| 14:13.02 | Zugschlus | bliss: if you need a GUI, you should not be adminning an internet mail server. |
| 14:13.03 | Guerin | azeem: ah yeah. |
| 14:13.06 | bliss | there a good web site called forgehowto run by a german guy |
| 14:13.26 | bliss | yes Z you are dead right |
| 14:13.40 | bliss | sorry Zugschlus |
| 14:14.08 | douglas | bliss: it's not that hard to get postfix fired up without a gui... just download pico (not nano or vi) and your good (weird hand gesture) to go |
| 14:14.12 | Zugschlus | bliss: and the "knowledge" persented on debianhowto.de is dangerous misinformation written by people only slightly more clueful than a complete newbie |
| 14:14.24 | beardy | douglas: ? |
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| 14:14.27 | nvz | !apt pico |
| 14:14.32 | nvz | apt pico |
| 14:14.35 | apt | it has been said that pico is a non-free text editor. Try nano as a GPL'ed alternative, or if you insist on pico, download the source for pine from non-free, build it, and install the resulting pico_something.deb |
| 14:14.35 | azeem | douglas: what is so great about pico compared to nano? |
| 14:14.49 | douglas | Azeem. Just joking. |
| 14:14.59 | nvz | I like mped |
| 14:15.01 | bliss | www.howtoforge.com/ |
| 14:15.10 | nvz | apt info mped |
| 14:15.14 | azeem | douglas: well, consider adding smileys then, unless you are sure everybody gets it |
| 14:15.27 | sandman | Would anyone be able to help me fix a recursive dependency? |
| 14:15.32 | douglas | will do |
| 14:15.40 | hugoboss | I'm running unstable and after an upgrade my mozilla-firefox doesn't start up. Any ideas? |
| 14:15.42 | phu | so any solution to fix the problem of lost icons, i just did normal copy from external HD to desktop, i am sure not overwrite any related stuffs |
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| 14:15.52 | douglas | sandman just ask, starting with which package |
| 14:15.57 | sandman | I've run dpkg -i --force-depends on several packages, but it still does not work. udev simply does not believe I have a >=2.6.12 kernel installed |
| 14:15.58 | Guerin | or better yet |
| 14:16.02 | Guerin | gnutepad! |
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| 14:16.15 | nvz | phu: did what? copied a whole debian install from one computer to the next? |
| 14:16.18 | Guerin | sandman: full output of aptitude -f install; |
| 14:16.31 | beardy | Guerin: Don't forget file size limitations. |
| 14:16.39 | Guerin | beardy: oh yeah |
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| 14:16.54 | Guerin | beardy: and the shitty newline fuckuppery |
| 14:17.01 | bliss | the gut at hotoforge seems to know his stuff installed debian from his howto |
| 14:17.15 | Guerin | you need a howto to install debian? |
| 14:17.18 | nvz | heh |
| 14:17.20 | beardy | Guerin: And don't dare to implement any configurability. |
| 14:17.20 | phu | ok, I copy configured linux source codes from my ext. HD(work) to internal.HD (home). to /usr/src/ |
| 14:17.24 | bliss | no problems |
| 14:17.56 | douglas | i need some good pills to configure sound |
| 14:17.56 | Guerin | phu: look in ~/Desktop |
| 14:17.59 | bliss | some people do do you know how to check if a RSA signature is fake or not etc |
| 14:18.08 | Guerin | phu: i think that's the dir that gnome and so look in |
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| 14:18.18 | phu | in the middle, I stopped it by closing the console |
| 14:18.23 | sandman | Guerin: It appears to be doing stuff... |
| 14:18.25 | Guerin | bliss: wtf? |
| 14:18.29 | nvz | is this channel for real? |
| 14:18.33 | sandman | Guerin: I must go to class, thank you for your help I'll be back in about an hour or so. |
| 14:18.37 | Guerin | nvz: no. |
| 14:18.46 | douglas | nvz: existentially? |
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| 14:18.53 | Guerin | !offence |
| 14:18.53 | dpkg | well, offence is don't take offence at things in IRC, none of us exist, we're just lines of text on your screen |
| 14:19.00 | psyco-obiwan | any openmosix users around here ?? id really be wondering how you got it working on sarge |
| 14:19.07 | nvz | douglas: just look back over the past hour or so at what these people have been saying |
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| 14:19.12 | Guerin | !anyone use openmosix? |
| 14:19.12 | dpkg | No, no one uses openmosix, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:19.15 | phu | I can see my own file there |
| 14:19.16 | douglas | We are a tree fallen in a forest |
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| 14:19.53 | douglas | nvz we got a good noise to quality dialoging ratio |
| 14:19.58 | themp | psyco-obiwan i was going to look into a cluster computing deal like openmozix I need cross platform |
| 14:20.05 | phu | and now I found that I can't use the right click on the desktop |
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| 14:20.27 | themp | debian has its own deal |
| 14:20.34 | nvz | phu: are you talkinga bout gnome ? |
| 14:20.42 | phu | yes |
| 14:21.05 | hugoboss | Problems with mozilla-firefox: after upgrade, it opens and imediatly closes. Can anyone help me? |
| 14:21.06 | nvz | phu: run this in a terminal: nohup nautilus -n &; exit |
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| 14:21.31 | marsje | small question: how do you restart bitlbee? |
| 14:21.34 | psyco-obiwan | themp: does openmosix support crossplatform ? i guess it only works on x86 |
| 14:21.49 | nvz | marsje: /etc/init.d/bitlbee restart If I recall correctly |
| 14:21.52 | themp | i only use x86 mon the laptop |
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| 14:22.15 | themp | sarge oldworld ppc works well quik is kinda a pain |
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| 14:22.30 | phu | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
| 14:22.37 | marsje | nvz: /etc/init.d/bitlbee: No such file or directory |
| 14:22.56 | themp | you cant bg & be3fore the ; |
| 14:23.02 | themp | use seperate lines |
| 14:23.28 | themp | ie: |
| 14:23.32 | themp | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.36 | nvz | just leave out the exit |
| 14:23.38 | themp | exit |
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| 14:23.42 | phu | yes |
| 14:23.47 | gilber | hi, im trying to play an encrypted dvd in my Debian Sid, but it seems as if he could not read the disc, i have installed libdvdread3 and also libdvdcss, what can i do? |
| 14:24.01 | phu | i do it with "nohup nautilus -n ; exit" |
| 14:24.02 | themp | google |
| 14:24.10 | Guerin | marsje: you don't restart bitlbee, it runs out of inetd |
| 14:24.14 | paivakil|away | gilber: what are using to play it? |
| 14:24.23 | gilber | paistis, Totem |
| 14:24.26 | themp | killall -HUP inetd |
| 14:24.29 | nvz | phu: that wont work because the exit will not run until nautilus dies |
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| 14:24.33 | marsje | Guerin: so do I restart inetd then? |
| 14:24.40 | gilber | paivakil, totem |
| 14:24.43 | rilat | are the old configuration files lost when a package is reinstalled? (apt-get install --reinstall package) |
| 14:24.54 | ribnitz | Drive ready seek complete errors are always hw failures? |
| 14:24.57 | Guerin | marsje: I suppose so. |
| 14:25.09 | themp | ribnitz no |
| 14:25.19 | hugoboss | paivakil: you can also use kaffeine |
| 14:25.23 | themp | ribnitz well incompatabilities |
| 14:25.28 | phu | anyway, it came back, thanks |
| 14:25.47 | nvz | phu: themp correct syntax is simply "nohup nautilus -n & exit" |
| 14:25.52 | Guerin | eew, kaffeine |
| 14:26.19 | beardy | rilat: 'man apt-get' doesn't say? |
| 14:26.27 | ribnitz | Feb 14 15:23:14 morgane kernel: ata2: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError } |
| 14:26.27 | ribnitz | Feb 14 15:23:15 morgane kernel: ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x51/40 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x3/11/04 |
| 14:26.30 | ribnitz | Feb 14 15:23:15 morgane kernel: ata2: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 14:26.37 | themp | man my idprom batter is dead so i have a cron on the terminal server to write the forth every day and reset the machine a 200 am. |
| 14:26.48 | themp | is the battery |
| 14:26.56 | themp | erps speach is out of control |
| 14:26.57 | ribnitz | ideas? |
| 14:26.58 | hans0lo | I upgraded to udev, now /dev/js0 does not exist, however gameport and analog modules are loaded. how do I fix this? |
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| 14:27.19 | paivakil | rilat: depends on their location; those in the installer asks you for permission before overwiting those in /etc/; those in $HOME are not touched |
| 14:27.22 | themp | ribnitz scsiutils |
| 14:27.30 | nvz | phu: the problem was that the nautilus program which is gnome's filemanager and also draws the desktop was not running. |
| 14:27.30 | rilat | beardy, not explicitly |
| 14:27.32 | themp | ribnitz secondary scsi driver this is a pc ? |
| 14:28.03 | jm_ | ribnitz: ribn;40 means ECC error, your disk is failing |
| 14:28.04 | themp | ribnitz i have found sometimes scsi drive 2 or more in the same box dont get alongfor some reason. |
| 14:28.13 | nvz | phu: what kept us from reachin that conclusion was all the talk about copying sources and whatnot that confused the hell out of people and probably had nothing to do with the issue |
| 14:28.24 | themp | ribnitz id try to reformat it |
| 14:29.12 | ribnitz | jm_: What I thought. |
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| 14:29.15 | rilat | paivakil, so I will ask befor overriding? |
| 14:29.15 | phu | thanks so much |
| 14:29.24 | phu | great help |
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| 14:30.00 | ribnitz | jm_: so backup whats possible, then throw disk away? |
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| 14:30.47 | themp | dpkg mips |
| 14:30.47 | dpkg | [mips] (Million Instructions Per Second) This is a rating of how quickly a processor can process instructions. A processor rated at 100 MIPS can process 100,000,000 instructions per second. or a port of linux to computers equiped with MIPS processors. or Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed, or a processor commonly found in video game console systems, and some computers, for more information, join #MIPSLinux. |
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| 14:31.02 | paivakil | rilat: did not get that - the overriding part - what is your context? |
| 14:31.02 | themp | er |
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| 14:31.23 | hugoboss | Is there a specific channel for mozilla-firefox? |
| 14:31.29 | tarzeau | hugoboss: just ask |
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| 14:31.37 | jm_ | ribnitz: yes |
| 14:32.11 | rilat | paivakil, anyway I'll make a backup |
| 14:32.24 | clojster | is it possible to change QT themes without Kconfig?? (qtconfig doesnt work as it should - for example Skype and Valknut remains uncofigured when I make changes to QT theme via qtconfig...) |
| 14:32.32 | hugoboss | tarzeau: I alreay asked twice, but nobody helped me, so I thought that a channel for firefox could exist |
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| 14:33.33 | ribnitz | jm_: Would you say thats common for sata drives? |
| 14:33.33 | paivakil | rilat: dpkg also you gives you an option to view the differences - you are asked only you changed the default configuration, anyway |
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| 14:33.57 | hugoboss | tarzeau: Running unstable after upgrade, mozilla-fireox opens and imediatly closes. Any ideas? |
| 14:34.01 | Psi-Jack | Does anyone here know dpkg-divert well? |
| 14:34.02 | paivakil | hugoboss: are you running debian? |
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| 14:34.17 | hugoboss | paivakil: yep! Unstable |
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| 14:35.05 | ribnitz | How likely is hard disk failure nowadays? |
| 14:35.14 | paivakil | hugoboss: I have no such ideas; try saying `firefox` from the console and view the error messages |
| 14:35.21 | Psi-Jack | ribnitz: As likely as it's always been. |
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| 14:35.29 | paivakil | /s/ideas/problems |
| 14:35.49 | ribnitz | Psi-Jack: So that when you got your computer about one year, harddisk starts to fail? |
| 14:36.20 | Psi-Jack | ribnitz: I've never had an HDD, of my own, fail within a year. Most of them, in fact, that I've bought 5+ years ago, still work perfectly. |
| 14:36.27 | hugoboss | paivakil: Segmentation fault |
| 14:36.42 | paivakil | ribnitz: most hdd manufacturers gives 3 years warranty |
| 14:36.52 | stew | hugoboss: checked the bts? (/msg dpkg bts) |
| 14:37.12 | Psi-Jack | paivakil: Unless you get an OEM Western Digital. Then you get only a store warranty, and nothing from WD. heh |
| 14:37.13 | paivakil | hugoboss: `strace firefox` |
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| 14:37.28 | paivakil | Psi-Jack: I use samsung sata |
| 14:37.38 | ribnitz | Psi-Jack: I'll get a drive fitness test or similar to run over it. |
| 14:37.47 | Psi-Jack | paivakil: Yeah. I used to be a die-hard WD person. Until they started screwing customers up the anus. |
| 14:37.56 | hugoboss | stew: no. I'll try that |
| 14:38.29 | stew | hugoboss: if you are running unstable, that should be the first thing you check |
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| 14:38.52 | hugoboss | stew: I understand that. Thanks |
| 14:39.34 | hugoboss | paivakil: It shows a lot of lines, opens, closes and ends with --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 14:39.34 | hugoboss | +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
| 14:39.56 | stew | hugoboss: firefox problems are often caused by extensions, so also try temporarily moving your ~/.mozilla directory to eliminate those as a cause |
| 14:40.11 | ribnitz | looks like a western digital drive. |
| 14:40.19 | Psi-Jack | Is it possible, with dpkg-divert, to make a double-redundant diversion from two packages? For example, diverting package "skype" and it's /usr/bin/skype to /usr/bin/skype.bin using rename, and package skype-dsp-hijacker's /usr/bin/skype_dsp_hijacker to link /usr/bin/skype to it? |
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| 14:41.10 | cjari | hi |
| 14:41.18 | paivakil | hugoboss: dpkg-reconfigure firefox; and also see if you have any other extension (tabbrowser, etc) which need upgradation |
| 14:41.21 | hugoboss | stew: I fall in the same problem |
| 14:41.32 | Psi-Jack | If anyone *can* help me with that question, I would be very greatful. :) |
| 14:41.51 | Guerin | Psi-Jack: bah, skype. |
| 14:42.39 | hugoboss | paivakil: How do I see for other extensions? |
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| 14:43.04 | cjari | I just installed debian on virtual PC but after I typed my username and password inorder to login all I see now is gray background and mouse cursor. Did the desktop fail to load? |
| 14:43.05 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: Skype is an excelent service. I use SkypeIN and SkypeOUT, and it's cheaper than getting a standard old-fashioned phone line. |
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| 14:43.37 | chezmoi | how do i view partitions |
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| 14:43.43 | paivakil | hugoboss: dpkg -l *firefox* |grep ii; will show what else package with firefox in the name are installed |
| 14:43.46 | Psi-Jack | chezmoi: fdisk |
| 14:44.34 | ribnitz | I found out, they sell drives without warranty.. |
| 14:44.36 | Guerin | Psi-Jack: if skype were free, it'd be grand |
| 14:44.50 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: It is free, for PC to PC stuff. |
| 14:45.10 | Guerin | Psi-Jack: it's not free software |
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| 14:45.38 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: Who cares? Not everything has to be free software, to be good. |
| 14:45.43 | forumgdh | alguem do Brasil ? |
| 14:45.47 | stew | !br |
| 14:45.47 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:45.56 | forumgdh | OKs |
| 14:45.57 | forumgdh | vlw |
| 14:45.59 | hugoboss | paivakil: anything else from firefox |
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| 14:46.07 | Guerin | Psi-Jack: I cares. The fact that it's NOT free means that it's not trustworthy. |
| 14:46.08 | forumgdh | #join #debian-br |
| 14:46.12 | forumgdh | #join /debian-br |
| 14:46.22 | Guerin | forumgdh: /join #debian-br |
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| 14:46.30 | forumgdh | hehe |
| 14:46.33 | Hamster | is there a good place to look to see if there are debian packages for snmpd 5.3 available anywhere? |
| 14:46.35 | forumgdh | sei foi bricadeira |
| 14:46.36 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: Oh. So you're an elitist biggot, then, basically. ;) |
| 14:46.48 | LoonaTick | hi, maybe here someone can help me with a strange mysql problem: |
| 14:46.48 | LoonaTick | MYSQL: (root@localhost) [mysql]> create function hasBit returns integer SONAME "bitMask.so"; |
| 14:46.48 | LoonaTick | ERROR 1126 (HY000): Can't open shared library 'bitMask.so' (errno: 0 Service unavailable) |
| 14:46.49 | Guerin | Psi-Jack: what's elitist about what I said? |
| 14:47.01 | saloxin | Hamster: apt-get.org or backports.org |
| 14:47.04 | Guerin | LoonaTick: don't fucking paste |
| 14:47.11 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: "The fact that it's NOT free means that it's not trustworthy." |
| 14:47.18 | Guerin | Psi-Jack: all I said is that proprietary software can't be trusted to do only what it saiy it does. |
| 14:47.37 | moprilo | i have debian sarge.. and i was testing sarge repositories, and now, something happens on XDM when i try to open a file browser.. (ex: desktop folder, or any file browser), xdm hangs on, and doesn't open any folder. everything else works. Anyone got any suggestions? |
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| 14:47.43 | Guerin | Psi-Jack: that's not elitism, that simple fact. You literally have no way of knowing whatthe program is doing. |
| 14:47.45 | LoonaTick | Guerin: I didn't flood, i pasted two lines... |
| 14:47.58 | Guerin | LoonaTick: ask #mysql |
| 14:48.11 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: Netgear is even making a Skype WiFi phone for it. Which I /will/ be getting. |
| 14:48.11 | ribnitz | is there a tool to do drive mirroring? |
| 14:48.21 | ribnitz | ideally also ntfs and such.. |
| 14:48.23 | Guerin | Psi-Jack: bully for you. |
| 14:48.25 | moprilo | Now i put a testing repository on, and i'm doing upgrade to see what happens |
| 14:48.31 | Guerin | ribnitz: dd? |
| 14:48.54 | stew | moprilo: don't install testing packages on sarge |
| 14:48.56 | ribnitz | Guerin: ideally, faster, with error correction, etc..? |
| 14:48.57 | Psi-Jack | Anyway. |
| 14:49.00 | LoonaTick | Guerin: You really don't know #debian channel policy, do you? |
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| 14:49.13 | Psi-Jack | I would LIKE help with a dpkg-divert problem I'm having. |
| 14:49.14 | stew | moprilo: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:49.15 | saloxin | ribnitz: partimage maybe |
| 14:49.21 | Guerin | LoonaTick: yeah, I pretty much do. |
| 14:49.26 | Guerin | !order |
| 14:49.26 | dpkg | well, order is if you're having trouble with something: 0) read the manpages 1) read the FAQ 2) check the documentation 3) check the website 4) check the bug tracking system 5) check the mailing lists 6) google 7) ask in a channel pertaining directly to your program 8) ask in #debian, IF it's a debian-related query. Failure to adhere to these simple principles will result in verbal abuse and ridicule. |
| 14:49.28 | kingsley | moprilo: I find myself wondering if you're asking about the X display manager named "xdm" or something else. |
| 14:49.28 | moprilo | stew: ok, i'll try that |
| 14:49.37 | ribnitz | saloxin: will that also do ntfs partitions? |
| 14:49.44 | moprilo | i'm using gdm |
| 14:49.56 | saloxin | ribnitz: apt-cache show says it does ;-) |
| 14:50.12 | ribnitz | saloxin: good. |
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| 14:51.10 | kingsley | moprilo: My understanding is that xdm and gdm are used to log into desktops, not open browsers. |
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| 14:52.09 | oklinux | how do I mount the second hard drive in my system ? |
| 14:52.13 | Teklap | Is there somewhere in proc where I can find my HDD's model number or something? |
| 14:52.20 | kingsley | stew: You're still #1 on my productivity page. |
| 14:52.35 | Guerin | haha |
| 14:52.36 | Teklap | oklinux: Make the filesystem first with mke2fs or whatever filesystem you prefer |
| 14:52.42 | Guerin | !kingsleysmite stew |
| 14:52.43 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer stew: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.371658219062862! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 14:52.49 | Teklap | Then "mount /dev/<dev> <location>" |
| 14:53.05 | moprilo | but suppose they have a subprogram used to open file browsers |
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| 14:53.46 | kingsley | oklinux: Is the second hard drive already physically installed? |
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| 14:54.09 | paivakil | Teklap: hdparm |
| 14:54.39 | oklinux | yes kingsley is read in the cmos too |
| 14:54.54 | oklinux | as a secondary drive |
| 14:55.00 | saloxin | oklinux: partitioned and formated? |
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| 14:55.18 | saloxin | oklinux: if so, cat /proc/partitions to see partitions |
| 14:55.20 | oklinux | is have debian in it it would not boot |
| 14:55.39 | kingsley | oklinux: OK. Is it mentioned in /var/log/messages? |
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| 14:57.13 | Teklap | thanks paivakil |
| 14:57.31 | oklinux | kingsley what am i suppose to look for |
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| 14:58.03 | l1nux | hi |
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| 14:58.17 | oklinux | kingsley can I PM you ? |
| 14:58.25 | paivakil | oklinux: you installed debian in the second hard disk? |
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| 14:59.34 | oklinux | the second hard disk had debian installed but it would not boot into debian it was working but some how it wont boot now so I slave the drive |
| 14:59.40 | paivakil | oklinux: and you installed a boat loader? (like grub or lilo)? |
| 14:59.41 | l1nux | whats the best solution to backup all debian system (with config's) in DVD ? |
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| 14:59.53 | oklinux | grub |
| 15:00.01 | kingsley | oklinux: grep hd /var/log/messages |
| 15:00.05 | Guerin | l1nux: tar |
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| 15:01.03 | l1nux | Guerin, :P |
| 15:01.07 | oklinux | Feb 14 09:47:13 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 6 |
| 15:01.31 | ne0futur | hi all |
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| 15:02.18 | Guerin | l1nux: i'm serious |
| 15:02.29 | Guerin | l1nux: tar your shit up and burn it to disk |
| 15:02.48 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 15:02.48 | dpkg | methinks i/o error is if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. |
| 15:02.51 | ne0futur | I have apache running with php and I installed php4-mysql module is in /usr/lib/php4/20020429/mysql.so but I have no .load file in /etc/apache2/mods-available/ |
| 15:02.53 | Guerin | oklinux: ^^^ |
| 15:03.04 | ne0futur | what should I do to have this mysql module running ? |
| 15:03.08 | oklinux | can I past the error somewhere kingsley ? |
| 15:03.10 | abrotman | ne0futur: about about libapache-mod-php4 ? |
| 15:03.17 | oklinux | what Guerin ? |
| 15:03.18 | ne0futur | ok |
| 15:03.19 | Guerin | oklinux: your hdd is busted. Replace it. |
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| 15:03.26 | ne0futur | but how could I have find it ? |
| 15:03.36 | kingsley | oklinux: #flood |
| 15:03.42 | ne0futur | no urpmf php | grep mysql here |
| 15:03.44 | Guerin | ne0futur: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:03.44 | Slack | hello, can i help me ? |
| 15:03.47 | oklinux | to many line |
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| 15:04.01 | Guerin | Slack: i dunno, can you? |
| 15:04.02 | ne0futur | yes with IRC its easy ;) |
| 15:04.05 | oklinux | I just want to recover my documents |
| 15:04.17 | ne0futur | abrotman: thanks for answer ;) |
| 15:04.29 | kingsley | oklinux: join #flood and paste there. |
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| 15:04.53 | Slack | i need info for use linux mode console |
| 15:04.54 | oklinux | ok here goes |
| 15:05.00 | kingsley | oklinux: But, I have to leave soon. |
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| 15:05.13 | Guerin | !wayttd slack |
| 15:05.14 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, slack? |
| 15:05.31 | abrotman | Guerin: speak in english apparently |
| 15:05.35 | Slack | where can search? |
| 15:05.43 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:05.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:05.43 | Guerin | Slack: search for what? |
| 15:05.56 | Slack | linux in mode console |
| 15:06.00 | Eclipser | for what |
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| 15:06.16 | Guerin | Slack: what do you want to find/ |
| 15:06.18 | Guerin | ? |
| 15:06.19 | Eclipser | files? |
| 15:06.24 | abrotman | !tell Slack about es |
| 15:06.45 | oklinux | omplete DataRequest Index Error } |
| 15:06.46 | oklinux | Feb 14 09:28:48 localhost kernel: hdc: read_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } |
| 15:06.46 | oklinux | Feb 14 09:28:49 localhost kernel: hdc: read_intr: status=0x5b { DriveReady SeekC omplete DataRequest Index Error } |
| 15:06.46 | oklinux | Feb 14 09:28:49 localhost kernel: hdc: read_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } |
| 15:06.46 | oklinux | Feb 14 09:28:49 localhost kernel: hdc: read_intr: status=0x5b { DriveReady SeekC omplete DataRequest Index Error } |
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| 15:06.48 | fhffhqvb | !tejon Slack |
| 15:06.52 | fhffhqvb | :-| |
| 15:06.53 | Slack | command of console |
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| 15:07.09 | Guerin | Slack: ok. type 'help' |
| 15:07.27 | Eclipser | doesn't that just give bash help? |
| 15:07.32 | Guerin | Slack: what do you want to do? read email, or install packages, or what? |
| 15:07.41 | Guerin | Eclipser: it's commands you can use in console, bud. |
| 15:08.03 | abrotman | buy a new HDD |
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| 15:08.18 | abrotman | Slack: go to #debian-es .. please |
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| 15:08.46 | Slack | Ok, thanks |
| 15:08.47 | oklinux | kingsley |
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| 15:09.09 | kingsley | oklinux: You were kicked off of #debian for pasting all those lines. Next time, you can join the channel named "#flood" and paste there. |
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| 15:09.22 | oklinux | sorry |
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| 15:09.52 | kingsley | oklinux: Unfortunately, I need to leave. But, I suggest searching google's archives for a unique looking substring in the error message. |
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| 15:10.06 | Guerin | pointless |
| 15:10.11 | kingsley | oklinux: Good luck. |
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| 15:10.16 | Guerin | once a disk starts throwing i/o errors, it's toast |
| 15:10.32 | ne0futur | I dont understand , when I install php4-mysql why doesnt it need thislibapache-mod-php4 as a dependency ? |
| 15:10.34 | oklinux | ok I pasted at flood kingsley |
| 15:10.36 | oklinux | Guerin can you look at fllood real quick for me ? |
| 15:10.59 | Guerin | if you want the data back, you need to be prepared to shell out many clams for oprofessional data recovery |
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| 15:11.13 | Guerin | oklinux: nope. As I said: it's toast. Buy another drive and be done. |
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| 15:11.44 | Guerin | I feel for you: i lost all my (and all my wife's) university work because I didn't keep good backups |
| 15:12.25 | Guerin | oklinux: your only home is to try taking an image of the drive, and mounting the image on loop or putting it on a proper drive |
| 15:12.33 | Guerin | but even that's unlikely to yield you much |
| 15:13.01 | Guerin | if you can mount it, you can use rsync to get whatever's salvagable off the drive |
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| 15:14.45 | thompa | !testing |
| 15:14.45 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
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| 15:16.05 | oklinux | thanks Guerin |
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| 15:17.34 | dob1 | hi |
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| 15:18.23 | dob1 | i have "syntax on" and "set syntax=c" in .vimrc (and /etc/vim/vimrc) but i get no syntax highlighting . why ? |
| 15:18.39 | pipeline | dob1: Are you sure you're using vim? vi is not vim. |
| 15:18.55 | dob1 | i run vim |
| 15:20.28 | thompa | !kernel |
| 15:20.30 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.15.4, prepatch: 2.6.16-rc3, snapshot: 2.6.16-rc3-git2, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.16-rc3-mm1 |
| 15:20.37 | lepton | dob1: vim -V |
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| 15:21.10 | Eclipser | dob1, does your terminal have colors? |
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| 15:21.23 | tarzeau | hugoboss: nope |
| 15:21.41 | dob1 | Eclipser: yes, for example if i use ls --color=tty i see the colors |
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| 15:22.10 | fmartin | Hoola |
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| 15:23.50 | ivanfrey | So one can install from testing DVD images? Or is it better to install from stable DVD images and then upgrade? |
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| 15:24.50 | nisc | has anyone else noted slowdowns in xorg 6.9.0? |
| 15:25.06 | JNelson | what is the name of the automounting software that debian testing uses by default? |
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| 15:26.06 | ivanfrey | mach64 is broken in xorg 6.9.0 |
| 15:27.12 | nisc | I don't have a mach64 |
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| 15:27.39 | aidan` | Horay |
| 15:27.43 | aidan` | I got my new server today |
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| 15:28.23 | fhffhqvb | o rly. |
| 15:28.24 | cisse | JNelson: autofs ? |
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| 15:29.13 | aidan` | ew, the host installed postfix, apache2, mysql. |
| 15:29.24 | aidan` | what's sarge use instead of postfix? |
| 15:29.37 | ivanfrey | nisc: I don't know why I'm still torturing myself running debian unstable on a Pentium 200 MMX in 128M of RAM; I need my head examined ;-). |
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| 15:29.55 | abrotman | aidan`: you can use whatever .. postfix is fine |
| 15:30.17 | cisse | postfix is great |
| 15:30.19 | aidan` | abrotman: is there a "best"? |
| 15:30.30 | abrotman | aidan`: FSVO best |
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| 15:31.59 | abrotman | :fsvo |
| 15:32.03 | abrotman | !fsvo |
| 15:32.03 | dpkg | well, fsvo is For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 15:32.05 | abrotman | :kill me |
| 15:32.11 | fhffhqvb | :wq |
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| 15:33.30 | cisse | postfix > * |
| 15:33.54 | aidan` | cisee: with such lavish praise I guess I'll have to stick with it then! |
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| 15:34.21 | aidan` | I've been running a rh7.2 box for the last 3 or so years, it'll be so nice to have an actual package system |
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| 15:35.09 | abrotman | Piggy: you do love me! |
| 15:35.20 | aidan` | well it's almost 3AM I guess bedtime is in order |
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| 15:35.53 | cisse | aidan: their wiki has great howtos for a whole host of things and its one of the most secure mailservers imho |
| 15:35.57 | cisse | heh oops |
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| 15:36.05 | JNelson | cisse; no, I mean the hotplug software |
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| 15:36.19 | cisse | JNelson: oh don't know |
| 15:36.21 | JNelson | I apparenlty have hotplug running, but it's gone nuts |
| 15:36.28 | JNelson | and restarting doesn't help |
| 15:36.32 | JNelson | but in the past, reboots do |
| 15:36.37 | fhffhqvb | abrotman: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu |
| 15:36.38 | JNelson | but rebooting is giving up :P |
| 15:36.48 | cisse | lol |
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| 15:37.11 | ivanfrey | jNelson: are you running unstable? |
| 15:37.48 | JNelson | no, testing |
| 15:38.20 | ubuntu | hi i have a digital video camera and i dont know how to install it ? |
| 15:38.34 | ivanfrey | jNelson: I thought udev has hotplug capability. |
| 15:38.35 | JNelson | normally, when I plug in my ipod, a little nautilus window pops up |
| 15:38.38 | JNelson | and it's been automounted |
| 15:38.38 | ubuntu | it picks on lsusb Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04fc:5330 Sunplus Technology Co., Ltd |
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| 15:38.54 | JNelson | and gtkpod plays nice |
| 15:39.02 | ubuntu | any help hereEE? |
| 15:39.20 | JNelson | I tried restarting udev too |
| 15:39.26 | pwnzzzz | anyone ? |
| 15:39.26 | Ronin | pwnzzzz: you runing ubuntu by any chance? |
| 15:39.33 | amphi | ubuntu: it'll either appear as a usb block device that you mount as normal, or you'll need to use gthumb or something to 'import' them; for the latter, your user should be in the camera group |
| 15:39.34 | pwnzzzz | nah |
| 15:39.37 | mentor | gnome-volume-manager is blocking dbus, right? |
| 15:39.42 | pwnzzzz | i was but debian now |
| 15:39.49 | abrotman | pwnzzzz: go to #ubuntu |
| 15:39.59 | pwnzzzz | dude i dont care if ur gay |
| 15:39.59 | sandman | Guerin: That solution you gave me: aptitude -f install didn't work |
| 15:40.04 | pwnzzzz | i said i wasnt running ubuntu |
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| 15:40.08 | pwnzzzz | and u want me to go there. |
| 15:40.11 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:40.11 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:40.12 | amphi | !tell pwnzzzz about gay |
| 15:40.16 | abrotman | pwnzzzz: go to #ubuntu |
| 15:40.21 | ivanfrey | JNelson: keep udev and throw out hotplug. and you might need dbus. |
| 15:40.24 | pwnzzzz | warra fag |
| 15:40.30 | abrotman | you're an idiot |
| 15:40.32 | sandman | Is hotplug obsolete? |
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| 15:40.38 | abrotman | pwnzzzz: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:40.39 | pwnzzzz | abrotman ur a faggot |
| 15:40.43 | JNelson | got dbus running already |
| 15:40.47 | abrotman | pwnzzzz: fine .. i won't help you .. fuck off and die |
| 15:40.52 | pwnzzzz | k |
| 15:40.53 | amphi | !tell pwnzzzz about microcephalic imbecile |
| 15:41.02 | Ronin | um pwnzzzz insulting folks isnt a fast way to get help |
| 15:41.04 | falco_toadfoot | debian unstable can't boot, falls back to busybox-shell with error "can't find hda1" |
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| 15:41.06 | pwnzzzz | now you know how to use the bot u think ur cool |
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| 15:41.14 | pwnzzzz | !tell him this and htat like wiw dude |
| 15:41.19 | abrotman | he's gotta be .. like .. what .. 7? |
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| 15:41.23 | cisse | wow |
| 15:41.30 | pwnzzzz | wow u can spell |
| 15:41.38 | coreyo | does anyone know where the imagemagick executable actually is in imagemagick6 ? |
| 15:41.43 | abrotman | holy shit .. australian schools are horrible |
| 15:41.47 | JNelson | when I run /etc/init.d/hotplug stop, I've still got a shitload of hotplug processes |
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| 15:41.58 | abrotman | pwnzzzz: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:42.02 | abrotman | last chance .. |
| 15:42.12 | pwnzzzz | root@hsikrut:/home/adem# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:42.12 | pwnzzzz | ii libc6 2.3.5-1ubuntu12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
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| 15:42.21 | abrotman | pwnzzzz: GO TO #UBUNTU |
| 15:42.26 | azeem | pwnzzzz: please use #ubuntu for support |
| 15:42.31 | pwnzzzz | fuck that |
| 15:42.36 | pwnzzzz | i wanna use ths chan |
| 15:42.37 | abrotman | moron |
| 15:42.43 | pwnzzzz | poof |
| 15:42.45 | grendal_prime | ok what the hell is 64-174-30-168.winbiz.com and why would one of my linux boxes be talking to it? |
| 15:42.48 | azeem | pwnzzzz: and please watch your language |
| 15:42.50 | Ronin | pwnzzzz: going to be tought to get help then as we dont run ubuntu |
| 15:42.53 | ivanfrey | JNelson: can't you just remove hotplug? |
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| 15:43.07 | JNelson | apt-get remove you mean? |
| 15:43.10 | JNelson | I'll try that too |
| 15:43.13 | pwnzzzz | watch my language ? |
| 15:43.13 | ivanfrey | JNelson: the package I mean. |
| 15:43.16 | pwnzzzz | he called me a moron |
| 15:43.35 | Irrumator | pwnzzzz: He happens to be quite accurate with his description |
| 15:43.36 | azeem | pwnzzzz: you said he was a faggot |
| 15:43.36 | olspookishmagus | pwnzzzz: not before you used the f-word |
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| 15:43.42 | abrotman | after you insisted you weren't running ubuntu |
| 15:43.52 | JNelson | woah, need massive upgrades in order to remove hotplug |
| 15:43.55 | JNelson | oh well |
| 15:44.02 | pwnzzzz | but he is a faggot and its a shame hes hiding it. |
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| 15:44.10 | ivanfrey | JNelson: yeah, if udev already provides hotplug capability there's no need to have the separate hotplug package. |
| 15:44.11 | Irrumator | pwnzzzz: You just showed everyone that you're running ubuntu. Everyone here are running Debian, so go to #ubuntu |
| 15:44.16 | azeem | pwnzzzz: what does this have to do with Debian support? |
| 15:44.17 | olspookishmagus | pwnzzzz: that's his problem - now scram |
| 15:44.30 | abrotman | i am? |
| 15:44.31 | olspookishmagus | pwnzzzz: beat it man |
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| 15:44.43 | hackeron | pwnzzzz: I'll help you, do this as root, dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda and you'll be alright |
| 15:44.47 | pwnzzzz | scram dont feed me redneck movie lines plz |
| 15:44.47 | JNelson | ivanfrey; I'll get right to it then :) |
| 15:44.48 | UziMaster | !info php5 |
| 15:44.49 | azeem | hackeron: please |
| 15:44.54 | wpostma | if there are no ops to kickban pwnzzz you can /ignore pwnzzz!*@* |
| 15:44.57 | UziMaster | !info php |
| 15:45.01 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.1.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 15:45.08 | azeem | UziMaster: please /msg the bot |
| 15:45.11 | abrotman | pwnzzzz: can you please leave |
| 15:45.20 | olspookishmagus | wpostma: already done that |
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| 15:45.23 | pwnzzzz | just ignore me ? |
| 15:45.26 | UziMaster | azeem: OK, sorry ^^ |
| 15:45.33 | pwnzzzz | ./ignore |
| 15:45.38 | pwnzzzz | use that command |
| 15:45.44 | abrotman | /ignore |
| 15:45.50 | abrotman | doesn't work .. i'm such a loser |
| 15:46.06 | pwnzzzz | yes i knew ur had the size of a birds brain |
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| 15:46.15 | pwnzzzz | yes ur such a faggot + looser. |
| 15:46.17 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*n=adem@*.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] by azeem |
| 15:46.18 | thingfish | come on, ban this jerk. |
| 15:46.19 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 15:46.23 | wpostma | Yay! |
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| 15:46.25 | thingfish | yay! |
| 15:46.39 | ivanfrey | JNelson: wait a sec. |
| 15:46.39 | kspath | pwnzzzz: did you fall on your head recently from a great height? |
| 15:46.46 | UziMaster | how do i get php5 package/ |
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| 15:46.50 | grendal_prime | this is just werid |
| 15:46.54 | azeem | pwnzzzz: you've been silenced for 10 minutes due to inappropriate language and off-opticness |
| 15:46.57 | JNelson | okay |
| 15:47.01 | cisse | lol |
| 15:47.01 | UziMaster | apt-cache cant find it |
| 15:47.06 | Irrumator | Anyone know how can I get aptitude to search the package tags? |
| 15:47.15 | bbrazil | UziMaster: stable? try backports.org |
| 15:47.17 | cisse | UziMaster: you probably need to make some changes to your sources.list |
| 15:47.26 | StrayLlama | Hi there, can somebody help me with a pci network card problem? |
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| 15:47.42 | cisse | StrayLlama: you'll have better luck if you just ask a question about what's wrong |
| 15:48.17 | ivanfrey | JNelson: I just wanted to mention that this might cause breakage on your system and the information I gave you is the best knowledge I have available. |
| 15:49.28 | JNelson | okay, noted |
| 15:49.31 | JNelson | I'll be careful |
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| 15:50.23 | StrayLlama | Yes of course cisse, it's an ne2k clone, I get an error -16 when it probes it, don't know what that is or what to do about it.. The kernel version is 2.6.12 ... The card is fine, worked okay under Mandrake 9.1, still works okay under Win2k ... the distro is Ubuntu 5.10 which I'm pretty sure is based on Debian ... anybody got any ideas? |
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| 15:50.59 | cisse | hrm what's the exact error message ? |
| 15:51.24 | ivanfrey | Is the advice I gave JNelson, to remove the hotplug package because udev already provides this capability correct? |
| 15:51.43 | azeem | it is correct for unstable |
| 15:51.47 | azeem | and maybe testing by now, dunno |
| 15:51.53 | Maulkin | Yes for unstable and testing |
| 15:52.02 | Maulkin | Dependant on kernel |
| 15:52.15 | r0ver | Hello, i'm using alsaconf to confiugre my sound card. With root the sound cards works fine, but when i use with an user (who is in the audio group) doesn't. Alsamixer gives: |
| 15:52.15 | r0ver | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 15:52.20 | Guerin | StrayLlama: #ubuntu |
| 15:52.24 | r0ver | Any idea ? |
| 15:52.25 | JNelson | using 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 15:52.26 | grendal_prime | StrayLlama, ooooo dude..did you try #ubuntu |
| 15:52.42 | Maulkin | r0ver: alsaconfig? |
| 15:52.43 | streuner | r0ver: is your soundcard supported? |
| 15:52.44 | StrayLlama | Hi cisse, the exact error message is "ne2k-pci: probe of 0000:00:0a.0 failed with error -16 |
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| 15:52.51 | bliss | hello all |
| 15:52.52 | grendal_prime | i hear they have sooooo much information on ubuntu stuff its amazing |
| 15:52.54 | r0ver | streuner: yes and it's working with the root user |
| 15:52.55 | cisse | wow never seen that |
| 15:52.55 | Guerin | StrayLlama: i have a ne2k-clone card which works fine on debian 2.6.12 |
| 15:53.05 | ivanfrey | JNelson: that's an old kernel, 2.6.15 is out. |
| 15:53.09 | streuner | r0ver: so add your user into audio group |
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| 15:53.20 | StrayLlama | Yes grendal_prime, loaded it yesterday, long story as to why :-) |
| 15:53.29 | bliss | what is the debian package associated with the command changepass.pl |
| 15:53.30 | r0ver | streuner: it's not working just with the 'normal' users and i already added them to the audio group |
| 15:53.46 | grendal_prime | ya but did you ask them about your network card problem? |
| 15:53.48 | r0ver | streuner: mmm... maybe i've to logoff and login again... right ? |
| 15:53.49 | Guerin | bliss: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:53.49 | StrayLlama | That's a pity Guerin, I was kinda hoping this was a known problem lol |
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| 15:53.57 | grendal_prime | the chat group #ubuntu that is |
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| 15:54.07 | streuner | r0ver: yes |
| 15:54.08 | Guerin | StrayLlama: well, there are lots of cards which use that driver |
| 15:54.08 | azeem | bliss: pdo.debian.net has a search feature |
| 15:54.13 | Schnitz | hi all |
| 15:54.18 | Guerin | StrayLlama: i doubt all of them were created equal |
| 15:54.19 | Schnitz | i've somehow lost my /etc/vim config directory |
| 15:54.28 | StrayLlama | Oh I see, didn't know there was one grendal_prime, sorry |
| 15:54.34 | r0ver | streuner: lol, it's working! |
| 15:54.39 | r0ver | streuner: thanks! |
| 15:54.48 | Schnitz | i tried reinstalling (apt-get remove && apt-get install) vim which contains /etc/vim/vimrc but that doesn't reinstall /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 15:54.48 | streuner | r0ver: you're welcome |
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| 15:54.57 | bliss | Guerin and azeem thanks |
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| 15:55.11 | Schnitz | does anyone know a command line switch or something like that which might force reinstalling /etc/vim/vimrc ? |
| 15:55.27 | kspath | schnitz: apt-get remove vim-current ? |
| 15:55.40 | fluxdude | I've just seen my details splattered all over the whois from a domain I registered, how do I get rid of this information? |
| 15:55.58 | streuner | You don't |
| 15:55.59 | mortal | fluxdude: you can't |
| 15:56.01 | StrayLlama | I did manage google something, exactly the same problem, but the text was all in German, not sure but I think they said junk the card, but it works fine with other os's |
| 15:56.01 | Schnitz | kspath, there's no package called vim current? |
| 15:56.02 | Maulkin | Schnitz: Try the remove --purge. That'll kill all your config too, and allow it to be re-installed. |
| 15:56.08 | fluxdude | that's really shit |
| 15:56.12 | kspath | schnitz: apt-get remove vim-common |
| 15:56.14 | kspath | sorry |
| 15:56.17 | clojster | how can I enable DGA extension in Xorg? (I have commented the omit DGA in xorg.conf but that did't do the trick. Is there some command to turn it on? I haven't found it in manpage...) |
| 15:56.17 | Maulkin | fluxdude: Unless it's a .uk domain |
| 15:56.18 | StrayLlama | And I haven't got another card here |
| 15:56.18 | loggygreg | Schnitz: dpkg --purge vim-common and reinnstall it |
| 15:56.29 | Guerin | StrayLlama: what actual card is it, out of interest? |
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| 15:56.39 | Guerin | StrayLlama: mine is a realtek 8150 usb nice |
| 15:56.43 | fluxdude | Maulkin: explain please |
| 15:56.48 | Guerin | s/nice/nic/ |
| 15:56.54 | Schnitz | loggygreg, kspath Maulkin thanks i'll try that |
| 15:57.01 | Maulkin | fluxdude: If it's a .uk domain, you can have your details removed from WHOIS. |
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| 15:57.15 | fluxdude | what about .com, .net .org...? |
| 15:57.25 | Guerin | fluxdude: you can change your whois details with your registrar. |
| 15:57.25 | Maulkin | fluxdude: You can't |
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| 15:57.46 | Maulkin | However, you do need valid info due to ICANN regs. |
| 15:57.49 | bliss | pdo. debian.search is being worked on since jan 2004 |
| 15:57.49 | StrayLlama | I'm not sure if you would have heard of it Guerin, it's an Accton EN1208, very old ... |
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| 15:58.08 | bliss | pdo.debian.net |
| 15:58.11 | Guerin | fluxdude: you have to put valid contact details up, but they don't have to be your middle name and home phone number and your wife's favourite sex toy |
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| 15:58.59 | fluxdude | how the hell would they know if you put the wrong address... |
| 15:59.13 | kspath | spies |
| 15:59.18 | kspath | I see you! |
| 15:59.19 | Guerin | fluxdude: that's not the point. You need to be contactable if you run a public website. |
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| 15:59.57 | Guerin | fluxdude: look at the whois entry for rimuhosting.com for a fairly discreet, but still legal and rfc-compliant entry |
| 16:00.13 | kspath | fluxdude: wear this gps tracking cell phone all the time. What is your blood type? |
| 16:00.30 | Schnitz | thanks for the help, now my config files for vim/gvim are back |
| 16:00.41 | StrayLlama | Oh well thanks anyway :-) |
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| 16:00.55 | streuner | fluxdude: and look what infos you have to provide according to the law in your country |
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| 16:01.24 | Schnitz | the man page is a bit confusing about --purge |
| 16:01.29 | doutorx | Senhores |
| 16:01.31 | fluxdude | thanks, just seen that, i'm in uk. my .co.uk doesn't show my stuff but all my .com,.net and .org do |
| 16:01.32 | kspath | Wonder what you have to do in Singapore? |
| 16:01.40 | doutorx | Alguem ai pode me dar uma ajuda no Clamav??? |
| 16:01.46 | Ronin | kspath: give up the firstborn |
| 16:01.46 | thingfish | !br |
| 16:01.46 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 16:02.00 | kspath | Ronin: oh there also? |
| 16:02.14 | kspath | Ronin: I thought that was only here. |
| 16:02.17 | fluxdude | kspath: i would tell you, but I don't know it, although the government pigs probably do... |
| 16:02.29 | Guerin | kspath: probably nothing, since the govt. monitors all traffic in and out anyway |
| 16:02.51 | Guerin | kspath: and you can get in trouble for using subversive technologies (like ssh) |
| 16:02.57 | kspath | fluxdude: What are govt. pigs? Is that a for legged animal farm? |
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| 16:03.07 | crash3m | grrr, I cant install less because of some BS with e2fsprogs, bah! |
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| 16:03.16 | Guerin | !e2fsprogs |
| 16:03.16 | dpkg | i guess e2fsprogs is if you are getting a messages about Force LoopBreak a likely cause is that you are trying to upgrade pre-stable packages to testing which isnt' supported. you should fully upgrade to the current stable before upgrading to testing,ask me about <force loopbreak> |
| 16:03.27 | kspath | Guerin: They already know your name and blood-type |
| 16:03.42 | Guerin | kspath: who? |
| 16:03.49 | kspath | Guerin: Singapore! |
| 16:03.57 | Guerin | kspath: true, since I've been there. |
| 16:04.18 | kspath | Guerin: You do not even remember their anal probe I am guessing. |
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| 16:04.39 | crash3m | thanks Guerin :) |
| 16:04.43 | Guerin | kspath: it was a pretty crazy night, nothing would surprise me. |
| 16:04.57 | Guerin | woo, my productivity is going up! |
| 16:05.06 | Guerin | I can feel it! |
| 16:05.10 | kspath | !citizen Guerin! |
| 16:05.14 | fluxdude | govt pigs are the types who aren't good for anything but wasting skin and money.... |
| 16:05.27 | fluxdude | they're called labour in england... |
| 16:05.30 | kspath | fluxdude: air? oxygen? |
| 16:05.40 | streuner | Guerin: use the FUCKING/ADJUST/KINGSLEY-SMITE now :-) |
| 16:05.54 | thingfish | is kingsley even around anymore? |
| 16:06.02 | azeem | !seen kingsley |
| 16:06.03 | dpkg | kingsley is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 12 messages. Is idling for 55m 53s |
| 16:06.08 | fluxdude | sorry, they waste that too, but if i went on to list everything they waste we'd be here all day... |
| 16:06.08 | thingfish | well. |
| 16:06.09 | Guerin | thingfish: he was here about an hour ago |
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| 16:06.17 | Guerin | fluxdude: #politics |
| 16:06.19 | azeem | Guerin: 55m, dude! |
| 16:06.22 | thingfish | Guerin: ok, so I got my hopes up for nothing. Oh well. |
| 16:06.31 | kspath | fluxdude: Really, I guess labour is melting the polar regions and acidifying the oceans and making you drink that 4th pint. |
| 16:06.35 | zerve_the_death | lol Guerin |
| 16:06.36 | Guerin | fluxdude: all politicians are bad; theose currently in power are worse |
| 16:06.44 | Guerin | azeem: I'm lagging. |
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| 16:07.35 | xerophyte | what is the good site for linux news ?? most update sites, other than www.slashdot.org, linux.com, or ww.lwn.net |
| 16:07.54 | Guerin | xerophyte: kerneltrap |
| 16:07.54 | kspath | debian.org/News/ ? |
| 16:07.55 | fluxdude | ok, forget england, lost cause anyway, back to my whois thingy... |
| 16:08.11 | fluxdude | can I just change all my details so they're not exactly right? ;-) |
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| 16:08.26 | Guerin | fluxdude: you can do whatever your registrar's TOS says you can do. |
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| 16:08.44 | fluxdude | ok guess I'd better get reading... |
| 16:08.50 | Guerin | fluxdude: but be aware that you're now on public record stating your intent to defraus IANA or ARIN or RIPE or whoever it is |
| 16:09.05 | Guerin | and to defraud them, too |
| 16:10.04 | Guerin | xerophyte: also planet.debian.net for debian stuff |
| 16:10.11 | fluxdude | not trying to defarud anything, will just give an email i don't use often so i don't care if it's spammed.... |
| 16:10.15 | fluxdude | ;-) |
| 16:11.02 | Guerin | fluxdude: sure, pal, whatever you say. |
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| 16:11.14 | fluxdude | indeed. |
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| 16:11.52 | kspath | I love how the Latest News link at www.debian.org/News/ is still pointing at 2005 like that can not be scripted or simply changed to 2006 |
| 16:12.12 | fluxdude | what about all those domains registered with generic Registrant Name:Registration Private and Registrant Street1:DomainsByProxy.com |
| 16:12.15 | Guerin | kspath: file a bug against www.debian.org package |
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| 16:13.25 | azeem | kspath: maybe there hasn't been any news in 2006? |
| 16:13.25 | Guerin | fluxdude: i suppose thos eagencies contract to pass on any communication to their clients |
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| 16:13.31 | juhoms | islannissa |
| 16:13.34 | kspath | azeem: !news_smite azeem http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ is just fine. |
| 16:13.54 | juhoms | wrong window |
| 16:13.58 | azeem | kspath: I am not sure what that has to do with anything |
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| 16:14.19 | fluxdude | so same thing then, they just don't get your favourite email address and front door... |
| 16:14.33 | kspath | azeem: I must be off-topic than. |
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| 16:22.20 | bliss | hello all |
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| 16:23.01 | bliss | ok found an excellent book about postfix the definitive guide by dent |
| 16:23.02 | gfg | How do i find if user root has su'ed to another user say su - abc |
| 16:23.05 | oklinux | hey kingsley are you here ? |
| 16:23.13 | cisse | gfg: if you're that using do 'whoami' |
| 16:23.28 | cisse | bliss: eh i think the postfix wiki has better documentation than that book |
| 16:23.44 | bliss | helo cisse |
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| 16:24.15 | bliss | i just lokked at it in boarders during lunch looks ok |
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| 16:24.31 | britt | guys, i need help...how do i run memtest without having to use a CD |
| 16:24.41 | tijn | floppy? |
| 16:24.49 | britt | there's a deb package i installed but for some reason it wont let me use it |
| 16:25.01 | britt | no floppy, diskless workstation |
| 16:25.22 | gfg | cisse: No if there are more than one user logged in as root |
| 16:25.40 | gfg | cisse: How can i know from my terminal |
| 16:25.40 | britt | Guerin: any idea? you there? |
| 16:26.06 | epsilon | hm, does memtest(+) support usb stick? |
| 16:26.14 | bliss | is there a good password manager that give a strong root password |
| 16:26.31 | cisse | gfg: w command |
| 16:27.01 | Guerin | britt: wtf |
| 16:27.13 | nkuttler_ | britt: configure lilo/grub whatever you use |
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| 16:27.41 | britt | nkuttler: havent had to do that yet, is it easy enough to do? |
| 16:27.42 | Guerin | bliss: just use shadow p[asswords like everyone sane |
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| 16:28.26 | nkuttler | britt: read /usr/share/doc/packagename/* |
| 16:28.45 | bliss | ok Guerin and for the guys who are running win2000 with VPN and sarge as guest they are ok |
| 16:28.49 | britt | nkuttler: i was getting ready to say just that. didnt think about doing it from grub |
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| 16:28.59 | britt | Guerin: thanks, as always |
| 16:29.01 | britt | :) |
| 16:29.02 | britt | cya |
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| 16:30.20 | Guerin | bliss: wtf?? |
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| 16:31.16 | bliss | yep you got it Guerin wtf ---but you will never know untill you try |
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| 16:31.50 | Guerin | ... |
| 16:32.13 | hypnox | how can i tell dpkg to reinstall a package, and create all missing config files |
| 16:32.34 | hypnox | like purging then reinstalling but without purging |
| 16:32.52 | Guerin | hypnox: dpkg --force-help |
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| 16:33.46 | hypnox | thanks |
| 16:33.54 | lexter | If I put a network-card into promiscious mode and start etherreal. Do I get ALL packages or could it be that I miss some traffic. And how can I know how many traffic I miss? |
| 16:34.24 | Guerin | lexter: you need to talk to a networking channel |
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| 16:34.43 | lexter | Guerin: Is there on on freenode? |
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| 16:34.49 | Guerin | lexter: dunno. |
| 16:35.09 | lexter | Guerin: I thought it would be a good idea to ask it here. |
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| 16:35.37 | streuner | f*ck |
| 16:36.33 | Guerin | streuner: w*at? |
| 16:37.05 | streuner | Guerin: Kingsley-Adjustment-Tool - f*ck |
| 16:37.09 | hypnox | lexter you will see everything on your network segment. |
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| 16:37.32 | Guerin | streuner: I d*n't k*ow w*at y*u're t*lking a*out |
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| 16:37.43 | douglas | what's the ftp mget option to cp -R? (that is, to download everything including subfolders) |
| 16:38.26 | lexter | hypnox: But what if there is too much traffic. Could it be a problem of a too small buffer in the kernel and or network driver stack or in etherreal? |
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| 16:39.09 | GutterPunk | I'm trying to isntall debian using "linux26"' boot parameter since my NIC isn't supported by 2.4. But when it says "loading module ide-disk for blabla" it stalls |
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| 16:39.18 | lepton | douglas: perhaps 'cp -a' ? |
| 16:39.27 | douglas | within ftp? |
| 16:39.31 | GutterPunk | What can I do? |
| 16:39.39 | douglas | to download i meant not copy remotely |
| 16:39.42 | Guerin | GutterPunk: boot into expert and disable all ide drivers except those which say 'linux ide support' |
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| 16:39.58 | Guerin | douglas: i'd use lftp -e mirror |
| 16:40.06 | Guerin | i don't know thew ftp command |
| 16:40.07 | GutterPunk | Guerin, I'll try it. Brb |
| 16:40.09 | douglas | ok thanks |
| 16:40.40 | osiris | can someone point me to a faq or tell me how to set my headless deb box to a static IP. it boots to runlevel 2 if that matters |
| 16:40.44 | lepton | douglas: you want to transfer a directory tree with ftp? I use rsync for such transfers |
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| 16:41.22 | lepton | osiris: man 5 interfaces |
| 16:41.30 | osiris | thx |
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| 16:42.16 | _joey | would this adaptor work under linux ? TL-WN320G |
| 16:42.47 | petemc | _joey: you would be better googling for the model + linux |
| 16:43.00 | Guerin | !fgi _joey TL-WN320G+linux |
| 16:43.00 | dpkg | _joey: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=TL-WN320G+linux |
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| 16:45.04 | _joey | Guerin Go and google it, I'd wait for you here |
| 16:45.27 | GutterPunk | Guerin, how do I make it use linux26 in expert mode? I tried boot: expert linux26 but that does not work |
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| 16:45.59 | DevilChaos | hi |
| 16:46.11 | kspath | GutterPunk: F3 shows some options |
| 16:46.59 | GutterPunk | kspath, expert26 that's it :) thanks |
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| 16:47.36 | DevilChaos | can i ask if there is a maintainer here why they have removed the package fglrx from testing as i need this for tv- out on my ati card foolishly removed when apt told me it was obsolete and this is the only current cofig to make it work |
| 16:47.37 | hypnox | _jason find out actual chipset, if not supported, use ndiswrapper |
| 16:47.37 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 16:47.43 | hypnox | _joey even |
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| 16:49.25 | DevilChaos | anyone else use tv out here with an ati card? |
| 16:50.01 | DevilChaos | i have gatos and ati-tvout packages installed as well as frame buffer support packages |
| 16:50.09 | _joey | how well does ndiswrapper work ? |
| 16:50.17 | _joey | hypnox: |
| 16:50.20 | KerPlunk | _joey: /join #ndiswrapper and ask them |
| 16:50.37 | streuner | _joey: or check out there website |
| 16:50.43 | hypnox | _joey it works just fine for me and my pcmcia wireless adapter, except that the wireless strength meter doesn't work |
| 16:50.46 | streuner | ndiswrapper.sf.net IIRC |
| 16:51.01 | petemc | _joey: why would you expect someone else to google for you? |
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| 16:51.34 | _joey | hypnox: did you get wpa going with ndiswrapper ? |
| 16:51.47 | hypnox | didn't try that |
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| 16:53.06 | GutterPunk | Guerin, theres no way to disable the loading of ide-disk at that point... installation just won't continue |
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| 16:55.14 | ChrisW | hiya, if I'm in screen, how do I detach? |
| 16:55.28 | fhffhqvb | ^A D ? |
| 16:55.36 | fhffhqvb | ChrisW: try man screen next time |
| 16:56.18 | abrotman | did you guys know that Entourage won't install on Debian? |
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| 16:56.30 | lazzarello | holy shit! no? |
| 16:56.37 | mith | amazing |
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| 16:56.56 | NeoZero | hi all! |
| 16:57.10 | ChrisW | fhffhqvb: thanks :-) |
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| 16:58.20 | NeoZero | Anyone knows about a Debian problem with root permissions? |
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| 16:58.47 | abrotman | that's vague |
| 16:58.47 | lazzarello | huh huh. the root problem. |
| 16:58.56 | Ronin | NeoZero: best to be not so vague |
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| 16:59.47 | NeoZero | yes, te problem is that the root user do not have write permissions to open "/var/lib/apt/lists/lock' |
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| 17:00.32 | NeoZero | and in the booting messages, appears a lot of "permission denied" lines |
| 17:00.37 | abrotman | they damn well should |
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| 17:01.23 | zielan | BFCTNMGYBHUNJM |
| 17:01.34 | NeoZero | any idea? |
| 17:01.53 | jair_11 | Guys what will be the best, or one of the best configuration for a noew generation computer lab? T-1 connectivity, Gigabit switches and cat-6 cables??? |
| 17:02.11 | lepton | NeoZero: we need specific details |
| 17:02.12 | themp | there is no best |
| 17:02.15 | themp | budget ? |
| 17:02.17 | NeoZero | in fact, the root user can't do a simple "touch something" in that directory (/var/lib/apt/lists/) |
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| 17:02.33 | kspath | jair_11: T-1 is SLOW it was FAST in 1997 |
| 17:02.49 | lazzarello | mmm, new generation... |
| 17:02.59 | themp | I think you need 10 f5's gigabyte uplinks and milti homed machines |
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| 17:03.06 | kspath | jair_11: you can get 10ms latency with T-1 but the bandwidth is not large. |
| 17:03.08 | themp | yeah it was |
| 17:03.18 | themp | its not much cheaper that n1997 |
| 17:03.23 | lazzarello | gigabit squitches and cat-6 is good but you're network performance will depend on the NIC in each host at that point. |
| 17:03.31 | jair_11 | kspath, what do you think then will be something good? |
| 17:03.35 | lepton | NeoZero: so fix the permissions on /var/lib/apt/lists so root has write permission |
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| 17:03.42 | houn | Wow, thanks dkpg :P |
| 17:03.43 | themp | thats why switched everything multi homed machines |
| 17:04.08 | kspath | jair_11: Sorry, I can not pull up all the files on you and your service options now. Give me a few hours. |
| 17:04.11 | houn | Question: anyone know a good guide for connecting to a Windows Shared Printer? |
| 17:04.12 | themp | prolly wants a DMZ or multi |
| 17:04.16 | NeoZero | lepton: I think that the permissions are OK, wait... drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 960 2006-02-13 15:10 lists |
| 17:04.18 | lazzarello | !tell houn about samba |
| 17:04.24 | themp | oh is this T1 frame relay ? |
| 17:04.33 | houn | dkpg gives me flack. I think it doesn't like the word "windows" |
| 17:04.42 | lepton | NeoZero: perhaps there is a dpkg or apt-get process running already? |
| 17:04.45 | thingfish | houn: I use gnome-cups-manager, seems to do the trick and it's easy to boot. |
| 17:04.47 | lazzarello | houn, dpkg is a robot |
| 17:05.03 | themp | windows was used in open windows by sun way before windows existed |
| 17:05.04 | houn | lazzarello: I know. But I usually try to ask it first. |
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| 17:05.15 | NeoZero | lepton: no, I was in "init 1", I'm prety sure in that aspect :-) |
| 17:05.28 | themp | single user ? |
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| 17:05.34 | houn | thingfish: I tried using it, it even pulls the printer name from the box, but dies and never adds it. |
| 17:05.40 | lazzarello | I'm not too keen on windows shared printers. I've always been able to connect to printers on a ethernet network via CUPS directly. |
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| 17:06.09 | themp | yeah i like network printers |
| 17:06.11 | lazzarello | most people who make a "windows shared printer" don't realize the printer is sharing itself if it's fancy enough. |
| 17:06.11 | Lin | hi all!!! |
| 17:06.12 | themp | i can telnet to mine |
| 17:06.13 | houn | So I'm sure Samba's set up right, since it pulls the machine/printer name, but the cups-manager itself is failing. |
| 17:06.30 | Lin | which module I have to load to have the /dev/ub devices? |
| 17:06.41 | Lin | Im running kernel-2.6.15 |
| 17:07.04 | jair_11 | kspath, this is the thing, I am planning on have a new generation computer lab, |
| 17:07.26 | Lin | To be more exact: linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 17:07.36 | lazzarello | mmm, new generation enterprise level! |
| 17:07.45 | themp | well use dia to plan it out i cant see whatyour doing |
| 17:07.54 | lazzarello | jair_11, a gigabit network is good but make sure it's gig the whole way through |
| 17:08.04 | houn | One line output: ** (gnome-cups-add:8896): WARNING **: IPP request failed with status 1028 |
| 17:08.07 | kspath | jair_11: Define "new generation computer lab". Does that mean each workstation will have a cell phone so you can message each other about silly things? |
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| 17:08.37 | themp | if you have frame relay t1 have them turn on gracefull discard at he co you will get more bandwidth |
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| 17:08.53 | loggygreg | Lin: /dev/ub ? |
| 17:08.54 | g3brown | Does Sarge 3.1 have auto update of time from a atomic clock or anything to that sort by default? |
| 17:09.14 | useruser_ | g3brown: ntpdate |
| 17:09.25 | themp | rdate |
| 17:09.26 | Lin | loggygreg: yes.. is something related with usb mass storage drivers |
| 17:09.33 | lazzarello | why does aptitude's curses gui always break apt when I purge packages? |
| 17:09.37 | kspath | themp: That is a mess. |
| 17:09.49 | themp | naw they are all set up |
| 17:09.58 | loggygreg | Lin: don't know |
| 17:10.08 | GutterPunk | anyone recommend a CD burner utility for gnome? I'm used to k3b but I have no KDE libraries installed atm |
| 17:10.10 | Lin | loggygreg: I read somewhere that is the device name in kernel 2.6.10 an newer, but Im running 2.6.15 and I want to know if is a external patch o something else. |
| 17:10.10 | themp | ba speach in xchat isnt the best |
| 17:10.28 | lazzarello | GutterPunk, there's one built into nautilus |
| 17:10.30 | kspath | themp: Please define "naw" and "all set up" |
| 17:11.19 | GutterPunk | lazzarello, oh and it's good? |
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| 17:11.33 | lazzarello | GutterPunk, define "good". |
| 17:11.48 | lazzarello | I have burned CD-Rs with it. |
| 17:11.53 | lazzarello | hundreds, actually |
| 17:12.03 | jair_11 | kspath, nope |
| 17:12.05 | th3mp | id have to write a paper |
| 17:12.17 | jair_11 | kspath, just a good lab technology oriented |
| 17:12.22 | g3brown | useruser_: thanks that exactly what I wanted. |
| 17:12.23 | GutterPunk | lazzarello, if it features everything one may need :) like audio cd burning, dvd burning... the regular stuff |
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| 17:12.28 | hypnox | GutterPunk serpentine is good if it works |
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| 17:13.03 | lazzarello | no, it has no "regular stuff". It burns cds. but then again, by your definition of "the regular stuff", the command line cdrecord is full-featured. |
| 17:13.22 | GutterPunk | lazzarello, yeah that's what I'm using now |
| 17:13.28 | kspath | jair_11: So no beakers or vials? No microscopes? Only Quake3 and really cool 3D cards? |
| 17:13.34 | themp | i like the woody install better than sarge somethings dont work in sarge like self partitioning. but I dont use x86 port. |
| 17:13.36 | paokouran | hi all, ayone can help with it (cdrecord problem.... again....) http://pastebin.com/554540 |
| 17:13.40 | paokouran | please |
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| 17:13.55 | themp | xcdrast |
| 17:14.15 | paokouran | command line or anysoft it s the same |
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| 17:16.19 | jair_11 | kspath, I will be back with you please do not go away :) |
| 17:16.26 | themp | hrm, this xchat speachdeal has to be re written |
| 17:16.37 | lazzarello | apt-get needs minesweeper though. |
| 17:16.43 | casandro | Does anybody know a good debian installation initrd? I cannot load anything from floppy and I have no CD-rom drive |
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| 17:17.12 | lazzarello | casandro, you have a PXE boot NIC? |
| 17:17.13 | jair_11 | lazzarello, I will be back to you with some other questions. |
| 17:17.19 | lazzarello | excellent |
| 17:17.30 | casandro | lazarello:No, it's a laptop |
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| 17:17.43 | lazzarello | dude, yr fucked! |
| 17:17.43 | casandro | lazzarello:But I have grub and loadlin |
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| 17:17.56 | lazzarello | actually... |
| 17:18.10 | lazzarello | you have a USB key? |
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| 17:18.19 | themp | ki wonder why festival doesnt wanto work on the ppc port |
| 17:18.35 | casandro | Yes, I even have an PCMCIA USB adaptor, I could try it, but I have a harddisk. |
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| 17:18.54 | casandro | lazzarello I can transfer files onto the FAT partition on the harddisk. |
| 17:19.08 | lazzarello | you can put a bootable debian distro on the USB key, boot off that and install on the hard disk with debootstrap + network connection. |
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| 17:19.34 | lazzarello | debootstrap is friendly |
| 17:19.44 | casandro | Lazzarello, I cannot boot from USB. |
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| 17:19.51 | lazzarello | boo! |
| 17:20.02 | kspath | hoo! |
| 17:20.02 | poopotootti | eek! |
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| 17:20.42 | lazzarello | casandro, and why does the floppy not work? |
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| 17:21.22 | casandro | lazzarello, it's a special PCMCIA drive which only works via bios calls. Once the kernel ist started I cannot access it. |
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| 17:21.43 | themp | sysctl |
| 17:21.48 | lazzarello | oh. methinks you need to retire this laptop into a paperweight. |
| 17:21.57 | themp | they all are |
| 17:21.58 | lazzarello | or remove the disk and install on another system |
| 17:22.07 | themp | frisbees |
| 17:22.08 | lazzarello | and put the disk back into the laptop. |
| 17:22.17 | themp | netboot it |
| 17:22.24 | lazzarello | themp, no PXE NIC |
| 17:22.33 | casandro | "No, it's one of the few usable laptops, it's tiny but workable. I guess it has one of those 1.8" harddisks. It's tinyer than a video tape box. |
| 17:22.50 | lazzarello | it sounds pretty un-usable right now! |
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| 17:23.26 | thompa | hi, I am trying to change my monitor resolution, I have edited xorg.conf, but still get 1280x1024 |
| 17:23.36 | casandro | lazzarello, Well I can access the hardisk, and I can load an initrd, so I should be able to install debian with the right initrd. |
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| 17:24.53 | thingfish | thompa: it's kind of not good in Debian to edit either XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf - dpkg-reconfigure will not work any longer. |
| 17:25.07 | thompa | oh |
| 17:25.16 | lazzarello | casandro, weird...and the ramdisk you have now doesn't have a driver for your NIC? |
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| 17:25.20 | thingfish | !tell thompa about xmd5 |
| 17:25.26 | themp | thingfish but that the very thing debian doesnt have |
| 17:25.31 | thingfish | thompa: do what dpkg shows you. |
| 17:25.32 | themp | xf86cfg is fine |
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| 17:25.47 | themp | debians configurator is really not there yet |
| 17:25.48 | thingfish | themp: what? |
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| 17:26.00 | casandro | lazzarello, Yes that's the problem. It's a normal 3com PCMCIA card, well supported by Linux. |
| 17:26.01 | themp | doesnt workn on my u60 or my mac |
| 17:26.05 | thingfish | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is plenty adequate. |
| 17:26.17 | thingfish | oh, well, that's the way it goes I suppose. |
| 17:26.32 | themp | heh i get 800x600 with that on my powermac |
| 17:26.32 | lazzarello | casandro, I'd recommend looking at the source of a bunch of ramdisks on debian mirrors and find the one with your nic driver in it |
| 17:27.07 | themp | thingfish if one removes the files wil;l that command regenerate them in /etc/X11 ? |
| 17:27.13 | thingfish | no |
| 17:27.16 | themp | ah |
| 17:27.17 | thingfish | iirc |
| 17:27.19 | casandro | lazzarello, I'll see. |
| 17:27.41 | themp | yeah alway back up your config files |
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| 17:27.44 | themp | .orig |
| 17:27.55 | thingfish | themp: /msg dpkg xmd5 tells you how to remedy the situation. |
| 17:28.13 | xoz | casandro: better use a kernel that compiles most modules. |
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| 17:28.37 | nprice | is there an app that can send me daily reports of failed login attempts and such, just like freebsd does by default? |
| 17:28.41 | ke | does debian have a live cd |
| 17:28.49 | bbrazil | nprice: logwatch |
| 17:28.53 | themp | ty |
| 17:28.55 | lazzarello | !info ogwatch |
| 17:28.56 | morganew | newbie RAID install question: installing Debian 3.1 on a Dell 2450 with just the stock Adaptec card, no hardware PERC RAID. trying to do software RAID, I set up the 4 disks to be RAID, I create a MD device, and then I try to use 'guided' partitioning. it creates / and swap. but when I hit 'finish' I get a red screen telling me that it can't create ext3. |
| 17:29.01 | lazzarello | !info logwatch |
| 17:29.02 | thingfish | ke: no, not Debian per se. |
| 17:29.05 | dpkg | logwatch: (log analyser with nice output written in Perl), section admin, is optional. Version: 7.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 212 kB, Installed size: 1716 kB |
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| 17:29.16 | casandro | xoz, that might be a good idea. I'd just have to compile that old install kernel, that should work. Thanks. |
| 17:29.26 | ke | oki, im running on a laptop w/o hard drive. and having truble getting my wlan card to work |
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| 17:29.35 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 17:29.36 | themp | apt-get remove xserver ; apt-get install xserver works also |
| 17:29.54 | thingfish | laptop without a hard drive, huh. |
| 17:29.56 | nprice | bbrazil: ty |
| 17:30.03 | solemnwarning | how do i get gtk 2.2 in deb stable without breaking anything? |
| 17:30.04 | mike-_- | yeah :P got it cheep, as defect |
| 17:30.06 | harfooz | hi all. I have two etch systems here, and when I connect and turn on my external hd, the drive is not mounting as it once did. |
| 17:30.09 | thompa | i have both xorg.conf and XF86config-4 since i upgraded to testing |
| 17:30.16 | xoz | casandro: you can use a damn small linux kernel or something like that... google is your helping hand |
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| 17:30.40 | harfooz | Can someone help me troubleshoot the situation to get the external drive to show up in /media/ like it did a couple of weeks ago? |
| 17:30.44 | fortunecookie | the next: the laptop without a screen |
| 17:30.51 | _keroppi_ | Has anyone got a version of the VIA unichrome driver (It's the one that comes with xorg as well), to work with amd64? |
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| 17:30.55 | mike-_- | i may have to sow my self a live cd o.O |
| 17:30.59 | themp | I really need to run a local mirror here. i feel like I commit bandwidth abuse |
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| 17:31.35 | mike-_- | but knoppix should be good right? or. anything using a kernel source |
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| 17:32.17 | mike-_- | bbl |
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| 17:32.38 | morganew | (continued) but if I make my own partiion and JUST do ext3 with a / and no swap, it works. should I not try to create a swap partion on a RAID that also has the rest of the filesytem? |
| 17:32.58 | kreg_work | how come bash history doesn't always seem to be the same from login to login? |
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| 17:33.02 | kreg_work | seems like it's builds different lists |
| 17:33.15 | zinx | kreg_work: it does; one for each instance of bash |
| 17:33.29 | zinx | kreg_work: the history is written on exit |
| 17:33.35 | kreg_work | which or when is it then saved to .bash_history? |
| 17:33.37 | zinx | kreg_work: ... and overwrites :D |
| 17:33.57 | lazzarello | how do I view the full package name and it's installed state. right now I'm doing 'dpkg -l | grep <keyword>' but that doesn't show the full name. |
| 17:34.00 | kreg_work | my current output from "history > history.txt" doesn't match whats in .bash_history |
| 17:34.06 | kreg_work | ah |
| 17:34.10 | kreg_work | zinx, mmmkay |
| 17:34.13 | xoz | kreg_work: bash history are not aware about context |
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| 17:37.34 | jengo | so.. is everyone here on Debian? |
| 17:37.46 | kspath | This is #debian! |
| 17:37.50 | jengo | yes |
| 17:37.52 | jengo | :) |
| 17:37.52 | shiroferret | debating whether to make the switch to debian linux |
| 17:37.53 | lazzarello | like con-ed I'm on it |
| 17:38.07 | jengo | well, im on Meps |
| 17:38.10 | jengo | mepis |
| 17:38.13 | jengo | wich is debian based |
| 17:38.14 | jengo | lol |
| 17:38.20 | lazzarello | !based on debian |
| 17:38.20 | dpkg | Sorry you're not running Debian, but something based off of it. If you're lucky you might get help in #debian, otherwise your best bet is to use the support channel for your chosen distro. If people tell you to go there, please don't argue/complain or demand support |
| 17:38.37 | lazzarello | !knoppixsmite jengo |
| 17:38.50 | shiroferret | i have used SuSE, Gentoo, Ubuntu, Arch Linux, Vector Linux Slackware... |
| 17:38.50 | jengo | well, im not really here for debian help, just here to chat |
| 17:38.51 | jengo | :) |
| 17:39.02 | kspath | !chat jengo |
| 17:39.14 | Caldrin | Hi! I'm asking for help with the following problem. I'm using X.org and Radeon 9000 pro (Sapphire). When I start the X-server the log tells me, DRI is loaded successfully, but when I try glxinfo, it says, DRI is not available. Testing planet penguin racer schows, glxinfo is right. Where may I search for mistakes, that makes the Logfile assume, DRI is working when its not? |
| 17:39.31 | Caldrin | .oO(Hope, you understand, what I mean) |
| 17:39.38 | shiroferret | ? |
| 17:39.38 | lazzarello | dude. aptitude it totally broken. It keeps telling me xbase-clients isn't used but it obviously is since it contains /usr/bin/startx |
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| 17:40.30 | shiroferret | how close is the system setup from Morphix to Debian? |
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| 17:40.47 | lazzarello | oi! |
| 17:40.52 | kspath | who pulled these bizarre .oO() things out of their hind end and thought they were brilliant? |
| 17:41.05 | shiroferret | Hahahahaha |
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| 17:41.29 | shiroferret | same people who thouht that 1337sp34k was c001 |
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| 17:41.34 | shiroferret | ? |
| 17:41.45 | kspath | 17 15n7? |
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| 17:42.10 | shiroferret | n07 7h47 1 kn0w 0f |
| 17:42.18 | kspath | heheheh |
| 17:42.19 | shiroferret | :-) |
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| 17:42.32 | shiroferret | no worries i can't actually talk leet |
| 17:42.38 | shiroferret | i'm just making it up as i go along. |
| 17:42.49 | kspath | "they" do as well. |
| 17:43.06 | jengo | lol |
| 17:43.08 | shiroferret | lol |
| 17:43.22 | jengo | you know.. this is my first time on IRC |
| 17:43.24 | jengo | haha |
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| 17:43.43 | vilerage | anyone know what the issue is with gnome-menus in echo? |
| 17:43.49 | jengo | nope |
| 17:43.50 | DevilChaos | how does an rpm package work in with debian good idea or not got drivers from ati site and it is in rpm format this ok to install? |
| 17:44.01 | Shadowcat | no |
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| 17:44.07 | _unstable | !tell DevilChaos about ati |
| 17:44.25 | DevilChaos | ta |
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| 17:45.05 | shiroferret | how is debian for supporting intel8x0 sound cards (AC '97 codec)? |
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| 17:46.01 | vilerage | anyhow, gnome menus has moved to not upgradable, says it's waiting on python2.3-gtk2 , however, python2.3-gtk2 is already installed |
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| 17:46.30 | Shadowcat | shiroferret: it's good enough |
| 17:46.39 | bowman | heya :) since I upgraded to a 2.6 kernel (2.6.12, pre-packaged) I'm not getting any image from my webcam, philips pcvc750k, the pwc module is in use. I see only grey in any given webcam application. anyone else having this problem, or maybe any hint on potential reasons? I get no errors when I start the different apps. |
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| 17:46.45 | xoz | it is a question of the linux kernel, not debian specific |
| 17:47.14 | lepton | shiroferret: that's a kernel q. intel8x0 sound works fine for me with 2.6.13 |
| 17:47.46 | vilerage | heh n/m got it, removing the offending package got it for whatever reason |
| 17:47.50 | lepton | DevilChaos: you need "alien" |
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| 17:48.11 | shiroferret | cool |
| 17:48.15 | maduxi | i upgraded to 2.6.15 in sid, and it says alert /dev/hda1 does not exist dropping to a shell cant access tty and opens a sh terminal, whats wrong? |
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| 17:48.25 | shiroferret | how does stability of testing compare to release of Debian? |
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| 17:48.45 | xoz | maduxi: same here. revert to 2.6.24.. the latest kernel is *buggy* |
| 17:48.57 | xoz | 2.6.14 |
| 17:48.59 | maduxi | ook... |
| 17:49.17 | abrotman | shiroferret: depends on the day .. some days great .. some days not so great |
| 17:49.37 | madclicker | hi all, i am looking for kaffeine for etch |
| 17:49.42 | abrotman | install it! |
| 17:49.43 | Shadowcat | maduxi: why are you using unstable? |
| 17:49.43 | thingfish | shiroferret: testing and etch tend to have breakage, if not always, then commonly; sarge is pretty much the definition of stable and reliable. |
| 17:49.48 | abrotman | !info xine-ui etch |
| 17:49.56 | Shadowcat | madclicker: so go install it |
| 17:50.00 | abrotman | !info xine-ui sarge |
| 17:50.04 | DebianNewbie | is there anything similar to yast console configuration? i have no X installed... |
| 17:50.06 | maduxi | shadowcat, to get latest pakages |
| 17:50.11 | dpkg | xine-ui: (the xine video player, user interface), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.99.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1691 kB, Installed size: 3368 kB |
| 17:50.12 | abrotman | !drxx DebianNewbie |
| 17:50.12 | dpkg | DebianNewbie: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:50.22 | xoz | package maintainer for 2.6.15 kernel should be shot |
| 17:50.23 | abrotman | madclicker: currently no xine in etch .. therefore .. no kaffiene |
| 17:50.28 | Shadowcat | maduxi: that's not a good enough reason |
| 17:50.28 | abrotman | xoz: agreed! |
| 17:50.33 | maduxi | agree xoz lol |
| 17:50.46 | madclicker | abrotman, :( thanks |
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| 17:51.02 | Shadowcat | xoz: it being buggy is one thing, that's expected, THIS IS unstable after all |
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| 17:51.17 | Shadowcat | but if you don't know how to get yourself out of a kernel mess in unstable, don't run it |
| 17:51.23 | maduxi | Shadowcat i also learn lot of thing in sid |
| 17:52.05 | xoz | Shadowcat: it is not *buggy* per se... it's the packaging process. |
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| 17:52.26 | Shadowcat | xoz: yawn |
| 17:52.31 | Shadowcat | I run my own custom kernel |
| 17:52.34 | xoz | Shadowcat: the maintainer should not package something that messes with the booting. |
| 17:52.49 | Shadowcat | messes with the booting? |
| 17:52.56 | Shadowcat | uhh dude the kernel packages modify grub.conf |
| 17:53.02 | Shadowcat | that's by design |
| 17:53.12 | maduxi | thx all, bye! |
| 17:53.35 | xoz | Shadowcat: no. init process cannot even proceed. |
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| 17:53.39 | Shadowcat | xoz: as I said, run a custom kernel |
| 17:53.45 | Shadowcat | it's not like I have a choice anyway |
| 17:53.45 | xoz | Shadowcat: it should not even pass thru experimental |
| 17:53.57 | Shadowcat | xoz: that we can agree on |
| 17:54.18 | Shadowcat | but I mean I run custom kernels because my root fs is reiser5 |
| 17:54.19 | Shadowcat | err |
| 17:54.21 | Shadowcat | reiser4 |
| 17:54.30 | DevilChaos | lepton:alien |
| 17:54.31 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 17:54.33 | Shadowcat | so I can't even run a stock debian kernel without serious data corruption |
| 17:54.38 | xoz | Shadowcat: other packages to be not working is ok... but for a kernel during boot? that's *ridiculous* |
| 17:54.47 | DevilChaos | sorry was afk for 5 |
| 17:54.47 | Shadowcat | xoz: get over it |
| 17:54.47 | loggygreg | Shadowcat: what kernel you run ? |
| 17:54.58 | Shadowcat | xoz: 2.6.14 was broken too you know |
| 17:55.18 | Shadowcat | loggygreg: why do you want to know? |
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| 17:55.30 | DevilChaos | ah see thamx lepton |
| 17:55.40 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
| 17:55.44 | loggygreg | because i use reiser4 on 26.12 but recent kernel works badly |
| 17:55.54 | xoz | Shadowcat: works here... but 2.6.15 does not work in all different machines i tested... |
| 17:55.57 | jengo | hmm |
| 17:56.01 | Shadowcat | recent kernels work fine here |
| 17:56.07 | Shadowcat | 2.6.15.3 |
| 17:56.12 | Shadowcat | and 2.6.15.4 |
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| 17:56.40 | abrotman | some ass is running ad-hoc on his fileserver in the building . with no WEP |
| 17:56.56 | Shadowcat | hahaha, leech leech leech |
| 17:57.06 | DebianNewbie | xf86config didn´t help, everytime i try to startx I get an error |
| 17:57.08 | xoz | Shadowcat: i even wonder whether the maintainer tried booting his machine with his packaged kernel. |
| 17:57.22 | Shadowcat | xoz: yawn |
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| 17:57.24 | Shadowcat | !unstable |
| 17:57.24 | dpkg | methinks unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 17:57.31 | Shadowcat | !break |
| 17:57.31 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
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| 17:58.39 | abrotman | !drxx DebianNewbie |
| 17:58.39 | dpkg | DebianNewbie: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:58.40 | xoz | Shadowcat: what's the point of having experimental when this problem is so obvious. |
| 17:58.42 | kspath | Things break in testing also, hence I run stable because the things I do use MUST work with no interface/distraction. |
| 17:58.42 | lazzarello | wow. that's an excellent bug. a magazine package deletes / |
| 17:58.42 | abrotman | i think i said this before |
| 17:58.46 | user-- | DA |
| 17:58.46 | scopeuk | ok cna anyone tell me how to change apt to testing/unstable from cli |
| 17:59.00 | lazzarello | I'm stuck on stable with backports for individual applications |
| 17:59.01 | abrotman | !tell scopeuk about sarge->etch |
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| 17:59.11 | abrotman | scopeuk: stuff WILL break. . enjoy |
| 17:59.17 | Shadowcat | scopeuk: why do you want to run testing/unstable? |
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| 17:59.26 | scopeuk | belive its sarge |
| 17:59.29 | wireddd | su |
| 17:59.37 | wireddd | oops |
| 17:59.47 | scopeuk | i want the myth tv package which isent avaliabel on stable |
| 17:59.48 | Shadowcat | if you can't even switch to another branch of debian, what makes you think you can run it properly? |
| 17:59.59 | Shadowcat | scopeuk: so compile it from scratch |
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| 18:00.08 | abrotman | !mythtv |
| 18:00.08 | dpkg | mythtv is probably software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. http://www. mythtv.org. Packages can be found in <marillat>. see <bttv> and I<ivtv> for tuner card drivers |
| 18:00.09 | kspath | s/interface/interference/ |
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| 18:00.19 | abrotman | !tell scopeuk about marillat |
| 18:00.29 | scopeuk | i added marillat to my apt sources but it dident update |
| 18:00.42 | Shadowcat | scopeuk: no you're supposed to update your sources manually |
| 18:00.46 | lazzarello | scopeuk, you did it wrong then |
| 18:00.49 | Shadowcat | and you want to run testing/unstable? |
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| 18:01.05 | scopeuk | i havea box runnign testing/unstable with no ssues |
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| 18:01.17 | Shadowcat | yet you don't know how to edit sources.list? |
| 18:01.22 | Shadowcat | why do I not believe you |
| 18:01.24 | lazzarello | oooh. openoffice 2.0 in backports.org! |
| 18:01.25 | scopeuk | i have to modify a cupple of configs occasionaly but its nto a problem |
| 18:01.32 | abrotman | will miracles never cease |
| 18:01.40 | scopeuk | nope they dont ive justbeen lucky |
| 18:01.45 | scopeuk | its not used all that much |
| 18:01.52 | epsilon | is there any useable way to downgrade testing to stable expect reinstalling, using priority in apt? |
| 18:01.57 | lazzarello | I doubt it. miracles keep happening to me! |
| 18:01.59 | Shadowcat | scopeuk: let me get this straight, you run unstable, but yet you do not know how to switch to it? |
| 18:02.02 | xoz | !downgrade |
| 18:02.02 | dpkg | from memory, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. |
| 18:02.03 | GutterPunk | I just tried installing using a "testing" netinstall iso. Problem is, when I do ifconfig I get an unknown link encap for that interface and the hw address looks gibberish |
| 18:02.09 | Shadowcat | epsilon: no |
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| 18:02.10 | hypnox | things are buggy and broken in both stable and unstable, get over it |
| 18:02.12 | lazzarello | epsilon, depends how much of etch you installed |
| 18:02.13 | scopeuk | i have a dfierent box with gui which is runnign unstabe |
| 18:02.20 | scopeuk | i dont know hwo to do it from cli |
| 18:02.27 | abrotman | is your keyboard broken? |
| 18:02.33 | epsilon | lazzarello: theoretical question, full etch installation down to sarge |
| 18:02.35 | GutterPunk | Has anyone installed using a USB ethernet device? |
| 18:02.36 | scopeuk | no but my typing is |
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| 18:02.41 | scopeuk | sorry |
| 18:02.42 | Shadowcat | abrotman: I doubt scopeuk knows how to edit something in a console |
| 18:02.46 | lazzarello | oh damn. scopeuk STOP RIGHT THERE! you are not allowed to run unstable! |
| 18:02.53 | abrotman | Shadowcat: gedit! |
| 18:02.56 | scopeuk | fair enough |
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| 18:03.02 | Shadowcat | abrotman: stop telling me, tell him |
| 18:03.09 | mespinar | wola |
| 18:03.10 | scopeuk | yes i know it show my level of knoage that i use nano |
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| 18:03.17 | bowman | my typing is broken too. logitech laggy desktop should have been printed on the box. |
| 18:03.28 | lazzarello | epsilon, that's hard. you have to find everything that's upgraded from sarge and manually downgrade them. I had a hard enough time downgrading x.org back to xfree in sarge. |
| 18:03.35 | Shadowcat | scopeuk: you shouldn't even be allowed to use testing if you can't do anything in a console |
| 18:03.37 | scopeuk | wireles desksets are useless |
| 18:03.48 | Shadowcat | HEY I have a wireless keyboard, it works fine |
| 18:03.50 | xoz | epsilon: you can try pinning but good luck |
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| 18:04.01 | abrotman | Shadowcat: that'd be like .. an ubuntu user :) |
| 18:04.06 | FarrisG | I'm having a problem with dhcpd. Clients are taking forever to get a lease. The reqs/acks keep showing up in the log, but no error. If I let a machine sit for 15 minutes it might get a lease. But a lot of windows machines are getting a "Access is denied" error immediately when they try to release/renew. Any ideas? |
| 18:04.11 | wireddd | Shadowcat, you shouldn't be allowed to use testing if you can't do everything in the console |
| 18:04.13 | FarrisG | debian/sarge server |
| 18:04.13 | Objologist | hi. we've mirrored debian testing internally at my company for a while now. we used a script floating around called anonftpsync.sh. For the last couple of months we've been getting these "verification" errors when updating from it... is there a workaround? maybe a newer method of mirroring? |
| 18:04.16 | xoz | i have a wireless power...it electrocutes me sometimes |
| 18:04.23 | lazzarello | OT...anyone use...a happy hacker keyboard? |
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| 18:04.38 | Shadowcat | wireddd: follow the conversation, I know how to survive in a console |
| 18:04.45 | xoz | hk is cool but expensive |
| 18:04.49 | Ronin | Objologist: /topic those kind of key errors? |
| 18:05.07 | GutterPunk | I sense a lot of hostility towards Ubuntu users. Don't get me wrong, I am not using Ubuntu, but many people actually state it IS Debian. |
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| 18:05.09 | abrotman | Shadowcat: perhaps you should go back to windows if you can't figure out a man page |
| 18:05.15 | lazzarello | xoz, so imagine money is no object, do you think it's "more productive" to use it? |
| 18:05.17 | abrotman | GutterPunk: they're wrong |
| 18:05.18 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 18:05.19 | cisse | ahaha abrot |
| 18:05.33 | scopeuk | ok wityh a little help from the bot (hes friendly) ive switch most of my sources over |
| 18:05.37 | lazzarello | !knoppixsmite GutterPunk |
| 18:05.44 | abrotman | !tell GutterPunk about ubuntu |
| 18:05.46 | xoz | lazzarello: of course. very *ergonomic* |
| 18:05.50 | Objologist | Ronin: /topic? what's that mean? |
| 18:05.52 | hypnox | GutterPunk i think that's more jealousy ;) |
| 18:05.58 | cjari | hello, does any know what's wrong when nothing happens after typing login name password (in gnome login) and clicking ok button? (all I see is the desktop background) |
| 18:06.12 | Ronin | Objologist: it means check the topic, specifically the key part |
| 18:06.16 | paistis | hi |
| 18:06.22 | GutterPunk | abrotman, well I think they are. But we got into a discussion about it a few days ago. I only used ubuntu for a couple of days. Didn't like how control is taken away. On the other hand, control sucks when I cant install debian on my laptop because of some strange interface error |
| 18:06.31 | scopeuk | when i break it i wont bother asking for help |
| 18:06.32 | paistis | what i need to make own mail list? |
| 18:06.40 | xoz | lazzarello: if you use most of the magic keys like in vi/emacs and uses cli a *lot*, it will save lots of keystrokes. |
| 18:06.41 | scopeuk | new users obviously arnt elcome |
| 18:06.48 | GutterPunk | Nice comparison :) |
| 18:06.55 | Shadowcat | scopeuk: new users do not run debian unstable |
| 18:06.57 | abrotman | GutterPunk: trust us .. they are not the same .. ubuntu applies plenty of patches to Debian packages |
| 18:06.57 | Ronin | scopeuk: sure they are but new users shouldnt be running sid |
| 18:07.01 | scopeuk | well users that type as bad as i do |
| 18:07.04 | Shadowcat | debian unstable is not meant for new users |
| 18:07.18 | abrotman | GutterPunk: for example : http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/patch_followup-2006-02-13-20-03.html |
| 18:07.19 | lazzarello | xoz, excellent. see you later carpal tunnel! |
| 18:07.40 | scopeuk | i dont have much luck with compilign stuff ive had more look historicaly iwth alpha/beta /unstable software |
| 18:07.50 | lazzarello | there was a post on planet debian about ubuntu patches to one guy's debian packages |
| 18:08.39 | lazzarello | http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/patch_followup-2006-02-13-20-03.html |
| 18:08.53 | scopeuk | when i hose this box ill jsut reinstall it |
| 18:08.54 | GutterPunk | abrotman, I see |
| 18:08.58 | bowman | hmmz, I seem to have general trouble with USB devices - going from 2.4 to 2.6, do I need to install/upgrade anything else as far as USB is concerned? |
| 18:09.01 | abrotman | lazzarello: so slow ... |
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| 18:09.04 | lazzarello | damn! |
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| 18:09.33 | hypnox | scopeuk, try ubuntu :) |
| 18:09.34 | meriad_ | what port does DHCP listen on? |
| 18:09.36 | meriad_ | like DHCPD |
| 18:09.40 | lazzarello | meriad_, it doesn't |
| 18:09.46 | stew | meriad_: 67 |
| 18:09.49 | meriad_ | stew: thanks |
| 18:09.50 | Shadowcat | bowman: apt-get install udev |
| 18:09.56 | meriad_ | stew: i kept mixing it up with dns =] |
| 18:10.01 | VileRage | heh, one last problem, after removing, and reinstalling gnome-menus, now gnome has no menus! anyone know how to right this? :) |
| 18:10.01 | cisse | lol |
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| 18:10.18 | hypnox | meriad_ dhcp operates below the layer of ip, for obvious (?) reasons, hence no port |
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| 18:10.29 | Objologist | Ronin: so is that something i have to do to each client machine? or just our internal mirror? |
| 18:10.34 | abrotman | lazzarello: grep dhcp /etc/services .. and it doesn't mention regular dhcp |
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| 18:10.38 | douglas | abrotman: I'm going to put linux on my MS-frustrated brother's computer. To keep him comfortable and in his habitat, should I go debian or umbuntu? Lindows? KDE or gnome? i'm curious in your personal opinion if you were me |
| 18:10.58 | douglas | and by the way on that note can wine handle the aol client ware |
| 18:11.00 | abrotman | douglas: is he a tard?(beyond being your brother) |
| 18:11.01 | meriad_ | hypnox- no it doesnt |
| 18:11.02 | Ronin | douglas: well seeing as your in #debian can you guess what our sggestion will be |
| 18:11.04 | stew | hypnox: it doesn't operate below ip, it uses udp port 67 |
| 18:11.05 | bowman | Shadowcat: will do, thx |
| 18:11.11 | meriad_ | hypnox- becuase it listens for multi/unicast braodcast./ |
| 18:11.14 | abrotman | douglas: the AIM client works in debian(as does gaim) |
| 18:11.14 | meriad_ | hypnox- oh wait.. |
| 18:11.18 | douglas | he's a currency trader and wants to see his charts and play poker |
| 18:11.20 | meriad_ | hypnox- thats layer 2.. |
| 18:11.21 | meriad_ | hypnox- ok ok |
| 18:11.28 | hypnox | care to check that ;) |
| 18:11.34 | abrotman | douglas: whoa .. wait a second. . how are the charts displayed? |
| 18:11.46 | douglas | java i believe |
| 18:11.50 | Ronin | nto to mention how does his poker work |
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| 18:12.17 | stew | meriad_: layer 2? what? |
| 18:12.18 | abrotman | douglas: you need to make 100% sure .. find out if they depend on a certain version of java or flash .. or some other weird plugin .. but if that's all he does .. either should be fine |
| 18:12.21 | douglas | Ronin: i almost got partypoker working on wine and might get paradisepoker |
| 18:12.23 | lazzarello | oh christ! wine just to use AIM!? |
| 18:12.26 | lazzarello | !bitlbee |
| 18:12.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, bitlbee is an irc to other chat networks gateway, connect to irc, icq, msn, jabber, aim, etc... with your favorite irc client! |
| 18:12.27 | Mugg | How do I enable unicode filenames in Debian? |
| 18:12.28 | meriad_ | hypnox- it listens on port 67 my friend |
| 18:12.31 | abrotman | gaim! |
| 18:12.32 | meriad_ | stew- the LLC sublayer |
| 18:12.33 | xoz | douglas: you must have a retainer fee for the duration you gonna babysit you bro if you'll install debian |
| 18:12.36 | douglas | Ok |
| 18:12.38 | meriad_ | stew- the mac sublayer etc.. |
| 18:12.40 | abrotman | there is an AIM client from AOL for linux |
| 18:12.43 | starfishy | lazarello: who is doing that? |
| 18:12.46 | stew | meriad_: it has nothing to do with layer2 |
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| 18:12.56 | douglas | thanks for the suggestions |
| 18:12.56 | kspath | naim! centericq! |
| 18:12.56 | meriad_ | stew- yes it does |
| 18:13.02 | stew | meriad_: how is that? |
| 18:13.02 | lazzarello | starfishy, douglas |
| 18:13.13 | starfishy | abrotman: thats a sure sign that linux is catching on even among the imbeciles ;) |
| 18:13.21 | douglas | So that's a Probably Not on wine handling aol's client? I need that extra security :) |
| 18:13.21 | lazzarello | mmm, AOL software for Linux. sounds crappy. |
| 18:13.24 | starfishy | lazzarello: yIkEs |
| 18:13.25 | abrotman | starfishy: the client has been there .. since 2000 |
| 18:13.30 | starfishy | i know |
| 18:13.32 | starfishy | i was joking |
| 18:13.37 | meriad_ | stew: it operates on the same layer as physical hardware |
| 18:13.39 | abrotman | http://www.aim.com/get_aim/linux/latest_linux.adp?aolp= |
| 18:13.46 | meriad_ | stew: like ethernet and what not |
| 18:13.55 | abrotman | though the debian packages are corrupt .. you can alien the rpm .. and then ln -s some library |
| 18:13.56 | douglas | oh i'll hook him up with gaim and oo and all that |
| 18:13.58 | stew | meriad_: no, it operates in layer 3, udp/ip; physical layer is layer 1 |
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| 18:14.06 | meriad_ | stew: i know that |
| 18:14.08 | douglas | maybe copy some icons from windows into x |
| 18:14.11 | meriad_ | stew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Link_Control |
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| 18:14.43 | meriad_ | stew: i meant that its the same for various physical hardwares anyhow |
| 18:14.47 | meriad_ | steW: thankis |
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| 18:15.32 | LinuxNIT | is there a download manager for linux that will resume if the connectino is dumped like gozilla? |
| 18:15.39 | hugh___ | hey, quick question: I'm installing from a netinstall CD, and it keeps using the wrong mirror for all the files, and it's slowing my install down to like, 2 hours. |
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| 18:15.44 | mire | LinuxNIT, wget ;) |
| 18:15.54 | xoz | LinuxNIT: lftp, wget |
| 18:15.57 | FarrisG | now all of my windows clients are getting "Access is denied" when they try to get a lease from dhcpd (dhcp3-server package). I know this isn't a windows user rights issue, but there's nothing in the server logs. Any help at all? |
| 18:16.10 | LinuxNIT | wget will resume if the connection gets cut? |
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| 18:16.19 | abrotman | if you use the correct options .. yes |
| 18:16.19 | epsilon | wget -c |
| 18:16.29 | abrotman | gwget for the CLI impaired |
| 18:16.47 | abrotman | FarrisG: firewall ? |
| 18:17.06 | LinuxNIT | ok thanks guys |
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| 18:17.19 | FarrisG | abrotman: No firewall running between the client and the dhcpd |
| 18:17.25 | abrotman | are you 100% sure? |
| 18:17.32 | hugh___ | so, why is it using the wrong mirrors? |
| 18:17.33 | abrotman | can you telnet to the dhcpd port? |
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| 18:18.07 | cisse | farrigs: there is a compatability mode for dhcpd as i recall, maybe you need to enable it |
| 18:18.08 | xoz | FarrisG: make sure you configured /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
| 18:19.00 | coreyo | does anyone know where the "imagemagick" executable went in debian stable? |
| 18:19.02 | lazzarello | is OOo using QT for widgets now? it sure looks ugly. |
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| 18:19.15 | FarrisG | abrotman: 100%. I can indeed telnet to that port. The interesting thing is that if I leave the client alone for about 10 minutes, it will finally get a lease. But there's no strain on the server that I can see |
| 18:19.31 | FarrisG | xoz: dhcpd.conf is configured, and has been working fine with this config for over a year |
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| 18:19.34 | abrotman | lazzarello: most likely not ... |
| 18:19.49 | xoz | coreyo: dpkg -L imagemagick | grep bin |
| 18:19.52 | abrotman | coreyo: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 18:20.03 | lazzarello | the 2.0 backport has big chunky QT-looking menus since I'm not running KDE. |
| 18:20.25 | FarrisG | xoz abrotman: the only changes over the last year is a steady increase in clients, but we're still well below 200, and the range I gave dhcpd is x.x.x.20 - x.x.x.254 |
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| 18:20.30 | scopeuk | ok i pulled unstable and adder marilat |
| 18:20.31 | abrotman | lazzarello: no .. i think that's java :) |
| 18:21.02 | lazzarello | ugg. it looks much better on my roomates winxp |
| 18:21.10 | lazzarello | but who cares really... |
| 18:21.21 | scopeuk | and its away thansk for the help |
| 18:21.26 | abrotman | lazzarello: you could ask #openoffice.org or whatever it is |
| 18:21.28 | GutterPunk | What package do I need to install to enable WMV playback in Totem? |
| 18:21.30 | Mugg | How do I enable unicode filenames in Debian? |
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| 18:21.40 | xoz | FarrisG: run dhcpd in foreground using -f |
| 18:21.44 | dfwergas | anyone else in here have issues with the latest 2.6.15 kernel in unstable......at boot it says cannot find /dev/hda1 |
| 18:22.04 | xoz | dfwergas: revert to 2.6.14 |
| 18:22.27 | abrotman | !tell GutterPunk about w32codecs |
| 18:22.33 | xoz | someone should change the topic regarding the kernel 2.6.15 boot problem |
| 18:22.43 | dfwergas | hrm all I saw was 2.6.15 kernel |
| 18:22.47 | dfwergas | no 2.6.14 |
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| 18:23.08 | zinx | dfwergas: did you build it yourself? |
| 18:23.13 | GutterPunk | abrotman, I must have commented the marillat sources :s hmm thanks! |
| 18:23.14 | dfwergas | no |
| 18:23.41 | xoz | dfwergas: linux-image-2.6.14-1-686 is there... try to use a different mirror |
| 18:23.47 | GutterPunk | !tell gutterpunk about marillat |
| 18:23.52 | dfwergas | hm ok thanks |
| 18:24.09 | lazzarello | there's a little known fact that the mplayer source code has a .deb build script in the tarball. |
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| 18:24.39 | FarrisG | xoz: Running it in foreground isn't giving me any more logging info than running as daemon |
| 18:24.41 | lazzarello | the mplayer guys seem to be more responsive to problems if you build it from that. |
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| 18:25.19 | xoz | FarrisG: use also -tf -play |
| 18:26.09 | abrotman | lazzarello: not everyone wants to build |
| 18:26.37 | lazzarello | true...but it's like crack, you only have to do it once... |
| 18:27.00 | xoz | FarrisG: and check /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases |
| 18:27.07 | lazzarello | ...and then you can install it on all your debian systems! |
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| 18:27.21 | xoz | FarrisG: or /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases |
| 18:28.03 | GutterPunk | "GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907" How do I get rid of this? |
| 18:28.05 | casandro | Servus, for a kernel to install debian with, what should I enable? It currently complains about not beeing able to mount none on /dev, but I cannot find devfs in menuconfig. |
| 18:28.10 | abrotman | lazzarello: or i could just use the marillat source |
| 18:28.13 | dfwergas | xoz I see no 2.6.14 kernel http://pdo.debian.net/unstable/base/ |
| 18:28.14 | abrotman | GutterPunk: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 18:28.17 | dfwergas | just 2.6.15 |
| 18:28.37 | xoz | dwar: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 18:28.50 | xoz | dfwergas: ^ |
| 18:28.51 | GutterPunk | abrotman, that bot just seems to know everything :D |
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| 18:29.10 | casandro | Ohh found it. |
| 18:29.21 | xoz | GutterPunk: it doesnt forget anything it learned |
| 18:29.24 | dfwergas | thanks |
| 18:29.50 | facade | Hi, I've just installed display drivers, and I'd like to use a resolution that's not offered in "Screen Resolution"; would any of you help? I'm using XFree86, and I've already tried editing the resolution into my XF86Config-4 |
| 18:30.13 | abrotman | GutterPunk: that's because we tell him |
| 18:30.25 | abrotman | !drxx facade |
| 18:30.25 | dpkg | facade: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:30.45 | facade | OK, thanks |
| 18:30.50 | Objologist | what do you do if you need to "reconfigure" X (mouse, graphics card driver, monitor, etc), but you're not "installing". I have an old install, but the hardware has changed underneath it, so i need to repeat that part |
| 18:30.56 | i3dmaster | how to reconfigure network device? my nic was eth0 and now its eth0_clas.. not sure what's the problem |
| 18:30.59 | Prudhvi | !etch |
| 18:30.59 | dpkg | i guess etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 18:31.29 | GutterPunk | abrotman, yeah I know :) |
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| 18:32.24 | facade | !drxx xmd5 |
| 18:32.24 | dpkg | xmd5: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:32.42 | abrotman | !tell facade about drxx |
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| 18:32.45 | abrotman | !tell facade about xmd5 |
| 18:32.46 | SerajewelKS | !xmd5 |
| 18:32.49 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 18:32.52 | SerajewelKS | er yeah =) |
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| 18:33.11 | thingfish | Objologist: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:33.12 | Prudhvi | ! |
| 18:33.14 | bowman | asking for reasons of unknown symbols in snd-usb-audio.ko (2.6.12) would be better placed in #kernel, right? |
| 18:33.15 | dw_ | how can I run a given command after, say, 50 seconds? |
| 18:33.24 | SerajewelKS | dw_: man at |
| 18:33.27 | abrotman | depmod -a |
| 18:33.28 | Prudhvi | !about update etch |
| 18:33.34 | Prudhvi | !update etch |
| 18:33.45 | SerajewelKS | dw_: or something like: sleep 50; command |
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| 18:33.55 | abrotman | Prudhvi: WHAT?1 |
| 18:34.12 | dw_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.20 | SerajewelKS | dw_: np |
| 18:34.21 | Prudhvi | abrotman, i have dowloaded Sarge DVD and i want to make it etch how to do? |
| 18:34.29 | abrotman | !tell Prudhvi about sarge->etch |
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| 18:34.38 | abrotman | Prudhvi: WARNING .. stuff in etch is broken |
| 18:34.40 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: damn, i made it to -> before you hit enter |
| 18:34.50 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i had typing class in high school :) |
| 18:35.01 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yeah, well... I... DIDN'T... so there |
| 18:35.10 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: actually i did but it didn't help =) |
| 18:35.14 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it was mandatory in.. 7th grade i guess |
| 18:35.20 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i can type faster than lots of people though, just not you |
| 18:35.28 | abrotman | along with Shop and Home Ec |
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| 18:35.42 | abrotman | wood shop more precisely |
| 18:35.56 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i can type code out faster than you can though, my "custom" typing system is designed around ()[]{} |
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| 18:36.33 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you mean like every other programming language? |
| 18:37.01 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: hence "code" |
| 18:37.10 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: what makes you think i don't code? |
| 18:37.31 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: and that's only part of what i do :) |
| 18:38.07 | abrotman | but really .. who cares how fast you can type .. if you have to go back and do it again .. that just sucks |
| 18:38.14 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i didn't say you didn't |
| 18:38.19 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i said i can code faster than you ;) |
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| 18:39.33 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you hope |
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| 18:39.47 | FarrisG | xoz: Still no new information. Same repeated dhcpdiscover, dhcpoffer, dhcprequest, dhcpack, over and over, for about 5 to 10 minutes before the client actually gets assigned the address |
| 18:40.09 | FarrisG | xoz: And I'm not sure what info to look for in the leases file. It all appears in order |
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| 18:40.50 | FarrisG | xoz: Is there an easy way to get a list or count of existing leases? |
| 18:41.05 | cisse | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.11 | cisse | s/&/*/ |
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| 18:42.22 | i3dmaster | when I do ifconfig eth0_clas, it returns eth0_clas: error interface information: Device not found. The interface was named eth0. how to fix it? |
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| 18:42.58 | mrverbose | why is there no checkinstall in testing? |
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| 18:44.12 | TonyStark | i'm working with etch, and i'm using image-kernles from debian, i have upgraded from 2.6.12 to 2.6.12, which obligated me to remove hotplug and to migrat to udev, but i do't know what happnes that with 2.6.15+udev i cannot start gdm (it hanags up) and when i revert to 2.6.12 or 2.6.8 then udev whipped all my modules configurations, what happened? |
| 18:44.53 | FarrisG | Ok... according to the leases file, there are only 33 unique leases existing. But there are multiple lease { sections in the file for a lot of the addresses. Since the range is about 200+ addresses, something else is screwy |
| 18:45.02 | abrotman | TonyStark: check the error logs |
| 18:45.12 | abrotman | TonyStark: or try just startx |
| 18:45.17 | abrotman | TonyStark: and can i borrow your suit ? |
| 18:45.32 | TonyStark | abrotman, which error logs? gdm doesn't says anything in nowhere, only x.log... |
| 18:45.46 | TonyStark | abrotman, you cand of course ;D |
| 18:45.48 | abrotman | your X log might be enough |
| 18:46.25 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log .. also .. there should be anothger which is the last attempt of starting X .. it's like Xorg.1.log or something |
| 18:46.28 | TonyStark | abrotman, the problem is with udev i think, becuase in the boot proccess it warns about many things that don't go well... |
| 18:46.39 | abrotman | lots of problems wiht udev .. get in line :) |
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| 18:47.52 | TonyStark | abrotman, but if i want to use a 2.6.15 kernel i must go with udev... does it worth all the pain? |
| 18:48.06 | SerajewelKS | TonyStark: i'm using 2.6.15 without udev... |
| 18:48.21 | TonyStark | SerajewelKS, i mean the precompiled-image-kernel... |
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| 18:48.38 | SerajewelKS | TonyStark: uhm, yeah, that one... |
| 18:48.58 | SerajewelKS | TonyStark: linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 does not depend on udev |
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| 18:49.12 | TonyStark | SerajewelKS, mmmmm if i do apt-get remove udev then image-kernel-2.6.15-686-1 erases too |
| 18:49.17 | SerajewelKS | TonyStark: udev depends on a kernel >= 2.6.12 though |
| 18:49.20 | TonyStark | SerajewelKS, in etch yes... |
| 18:49.25 | SerajewelKS | TonyStark: install hotplug |
| 18:49.36 | TonyStark | SerajewelKS, it conflicts with udev... |
| 18:49.43 | SerajewelKS | TonyStark: but it should satisfy the kernel |
| 18:49.58 | TonyStark | SerajewelKS, it conflicts, i cannot... |
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| 18:50.12 | TonyStark | SerajewelKS, cannot or doesn't know enough ;D |
| 18:50.14 | SerajewelKS | TonyStark: apt-get doesn't prompt you to remove udev? |
| 18:50.36 | TonyStark | SerajewelKS, yes, but i tprompts me to remove kernel-image-2.6.15... |
| 18:50.43 | SerajewelKS | TonyStark: hrm |
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| 18:50.54 | SerajewelKS | TonyStark: well, sucks to be you. i have math class, be back later. |
| 18:51.11 | TonyStark | SerajewelKS, it sucks a lot xD |
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| 18:52.14 | jflds | wan grub guru köztünk? |
| 18:52.33 | abrotman | TonyStark: you can do it .. udev isn't that bad |
| 18:52.40 | TonyStark | someone can told me anything more about udev? |
| 18:52.43 | abrotman | !hu |
| 18:52.44 | dpkg | hmm... hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 18:52.49 | abrotman | !udev |
| 18:52.49 | dpkg | i heard udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 18:52.56 | abrotman | doh! .. where's stew's quote? |
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| 18:53.21 | abrotman | ApT: udev |
| 18:53.26 | apt | from memory, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit |
| 18:53.26 | abrotman | bah .. bad bots! |
| 18:53.36 | TonyStark | dpkg, i know it, but my system aaaaaaaaaapresents dependencies of kernel-image-2.6.15 with udev... |
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| 18:55.05 | jflds | is grub-guru among us? |
| 18:55.12 | abrotman | #grub ? |
| 18:55.13 | jflds | i cant mount the cdrom |
| 18:56.09 | jflds | root (cd) would be the simple answer but i doesnt work |
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| 18:57.29 | abrotman | ask #grub |
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| 18:58.45 | jflds | thx |
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| 18:59.19 | tomaso_ | hi is this the right channel for question about creating debian packages? (if not can you suggest another one pls?) |
| 18:59.25 | abrotman | !mg |
| 18:59.26 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar |
| 18:59.26 | abrotman | !nm |
| 18:59.26 | dpkg | it has been said that nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
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| 18:59.41 | abrotman | tomaso_: you can also ask #debian-mentor or #debian-mentors .. whichever it is |
| 19:00.00 | broomy | i dont want to start in the GDM and i dont want to X to start automaticly, witch files do i alter/remove to acomplish that? |
| 19:00.11 | bbrazil | !nodm |
| 19:00.11 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 19:03.14 | FarrisG | Ok, so I've determined that there are only about 33 active leases, and the range is 230, so it's not a matter of running out of leases. Seems like something is somehow interfering with dhcp and causing it to slow down. I can use ethereal or something, but what should I be looking for? |
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| 19:10.06 | TonyStark | someone can test the dependcies of hotplug in etch please? |
| 19:10.24 | _unstable | TonyStark: apt-cache showpkg hotplug |
| 19:10.28 | TonyStark | or better, somone is usin the ernel-image-2.6.15 withoout udev? |
| 19:10.30 | deadcat | TonyStark: hotplug is old school. |
| 19:10.42 | _unstable | !tell TonyStark about apt-cache |
| 19:10.53 | TonyStark | _unstable, somebody told me other dependencies than mine, that's why i asked |
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| 19:11.11 | TonyStark | deadcat, old school? what's then new school? |
| 19:11.58 | abrotman | !depends linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 etch |
| 19:12.08 | deadcat | TonyStark: udev right? |
| 19:12.14 | TonyStark | _unstable, i knew about apt-cache thanks |
| 19:12.52 | TonyStark | deadcat, but udev doesn't work or i don't know hot to handle it to work... it crashes my gdm... and my mouse.... and my modules... |
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| 19:13.56 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.15-1-686: depends on module-init-tools (>= 0.9.13), initramfs-tools | yaird | linux-initramfs-tool |
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| 19:14.00 | deadcat | TonyStark: thats true. udev and hotplug sometimes do suck |
| 19:14.06 | TonyStark | !depends linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 etch |
| 19:14.10 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.15-1-686: depends on module-init-tools (>= 0.9.13), initramfs-tools | yaird | linux-initramfs-tool |
| 19:14.14 | stew | TonyStark: how do you know that udev is crashing gdm? |
| 19:14.27 | stew | TonyStark: and what do you mean by crashing your mouse and crashing your modules |
| 19:15.04 | TonyStark | deadcat, with hotplug i could boot kernel 2.6.12 form kernel-image i i coul use my digital camera... with udev doesn't... |
| 19:16.26 | deadcat | i see |
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| 19:17.00 | TonyStark | stew, in th eboot process there are many erro messages from udev (things that it doesn't find, messages pass very fast, i cannot read, and they don't log anywhere, or at least i don't know where they log at) and then gdm doesn't strt because of of devmouse and my graphic card... when i borught back the 2.6.8 kernel all my module configuration was wipped away... |
| 19:17.43 | stew | TonyStark: add mousedev to /etc/modules |
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| 19:18.12 | stew | TonyStark: if you have a ps2 mouse, also add psmouse |
| 19:18.13 | TonyStark | stew, it was added before udev... |
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| 19:18.21 | stew | TonyStark: what was? |
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| 19:19.30 | TonyStark | stew, when i upgraded the kernel-image-2.6.15, in my /etc/modules there was yet the mousedev and psmouse... and they were working with kernel-image-2.6.8 + hotplug... |
| 19:19.46 | stew | TonyStark: and removing udev makes your x work? |
| 19:20.21 | stew | TonyStark: show us the actual errors you get. use a pastein |
| 19:20.49 | TonyStark | stew, i cannot remove my udev, becuase if i do, then it removes the kernel-image-2.6.15... kernel-2.6.8 (with does not use udev) works pretty well, except somethings from hotplug (my digital camera for example) |
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| 19:21.19 | stew | TonyStark: "apt-get remove udev yaird+" |
| 19:21.21 | TonyStark | stew, i cannot paste you the errors becuase the error messages from udev i don't know where are logged... |
| 19:21.32 | stew | TonyStark: /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 19:21.51 | stew | TonyStark: actuall /var/log/syslog should have them since udev is userspace |
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| 19:22.43 | stew | TonyStark: you need to install yaird when you remove udev in order to satisfy the kernel packages dependency or "initramfs-tools | yaird" |
| 19:23.03 | TonyStark | stew, mmm two things.... one) i search righ tnow in syslog in order to paste them... two) when i do the apt-get remove that you said, then kernel 2.6.15 it isn't remove! can you tell me why? |
| 19:23.04 | pass | how do I disable the gui login screen so I boot into a login prompt with uninstalling X? |
| 19:23.22 | TonyStark | stew, ah, well, you have answered me the second one xD |
| 19:23.33 | stew | TonyStark: (initramrs-tools depends on udev) |
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| 19:24.15 | lepton | pass: what "gui login screen" are you using? |
| 19:24.17 | dfwergas | woohoo another person with 2.6.15 problems....though at least you can boot =\ |
| 19:24.35 | lepton | pass: xdm, kdm, gdm? |
| 19:24.36 | pass | I guess it is the one you see with gdm |
| 19:24.47 | MalcomX | hello |
| 19:24.49 | MalcomX | is a test |
| 19:24.51 | MalcomX | you look me |
| 19:24.54 | MalcomX | y a des francais ici |
| 19:25.16 | TonyStark | stew, cat ./syslog | grep udev |
| 19:25.16 | TonyStark | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:25.23 | chealer | MalcomX: no, being French is illegal |
| 19:25.29 | lepton | pass: you could do 'update-rc.d -f gdm remove' to disable the startup at boot time |
| 19:25.45 | pass | lepton: ok, thanks |
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| 19:26.31 | kingsley | pass: Do you know that pressing ctl-alt-f1 should display a login prompt without X, and ctl-alt-f7 will return you to X? |
| 19:27.05 | pass | kingsley: yes, I tried that. There seems to be something wrong with the keyboard interaction and X |
| 19:27.37 | pass | mouse works fine, but no keyboard interaction at the login screen |
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| 19:28.44 | kingsley | pass: Is this a new installation, or did the keyboard stop working? |
| 19:28.54 | lazzarello | here's a totally crazy idea. debian, windows and open bsd on one disk. is it possible? |
| 19:29.02 | SimonRaven | let's misspell malcolm x why don't we ... |
| 19:29.03 | TonyStark | stew, now there is no udev, and there is hotplug, can i reboot safely to kernel-image-2.6.15? or may i whip again all my modules configuration? |
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| 19:29.09 | SimonRaven | lazzarello: yes |
| 19:29.11 | ansong | does anyone know of a good howto for setting up drupal on debian (sarge, preferably)? all i have found via google is http://www.dimmeria.com/?q=node/1 only the site is down... |
| 19:29.24 | SimonRaven | lazzarello: only question is room on the drive(s) |
| 19:29.41 | lazzarello | SimonRaven, shall I just do the normal win/lin dual boot and leave free space at the end for openbsd? |
| 19:29.44 | chealer | SimonRaven: c'mon man |
| 19:29.55 | SimonRaven | and getting rid of windoze |
| 19:29.57 | kingsley | lazzarello: Sure. grub and lilo and be configured to dual or triple boot from different partitions of the same disk. |
| 19:30.05 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 19:30.12 | stew | TonyStark: i don't know what it means to whip a module |
| 19:30.20 | stew | TonyStark: but you should be able to reboot, yes |
| 19:30.22 | lazzarello | s/windows/third os/g |
| 19:30.24 | pass | kingsley: The keyboard worked fine when I first installed Debian. Then I moved the k/m to another machine and then back. It was when I moved the k/m back the keyboard stopped working. |
| 19:30.30 | SimonRaven | chealer: what? que c'est tu veux toe? :P |
| 19:30.55 | martinho | how to make udev load sg module when i plug a usb dvdrw? right now i have sg in /etc/modules |
| 19:31.01 | kingsley | pass: Are you sure the keyboard's plug is fully inserted into its jack? |
| 19:31.07 | chealer | SimonRaven: y parlait pas de québecois. ta pas rap |
| 19:31.14 | TonyStark | stew, ah, i'm sorry, to erase the configuration of the modules (iudev made somthing extrange with /etc/modules and /eetc/modprobe.d and /etc/modules.conf..) |
| 19:31.18 | SimonRaven | lazzarello: just a matter of ordering the installs properly; windows last IIRC |
| 19:31.30 | pass | kingsley: yes, I triple checked the connection |
| 19:31.42 | SimonRaven | chealer: je le sais |
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| 19:32.21 | kingsley | pass: Have you tried rebooting the system with the non-working keyboard? |
| 19:32.35 | lazzarello | SimonRaven, that's definitely wrong. windows bootloader rules them all and erases everything. |
| 19:32.43 | ansong | SimonRaven: windows last will wipe out the mbr. i would recommend debian last, so that grub/lilo can detect the other os's |
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| 19:32.51 | mz_work | ansong: http://www.smop.co.uk/node/2 |
| 19:32.58 | SimonRaven | noted. thank you |
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| 19:33.16 | stew | TonyStark: you shouldn't need to touch /etc/modules, i don't think udev would have. you should never touch /etc/modules.conf (as it says at the top of the file) what changes were made to /etc/modprobe.d? |
| 19:34.05 | ansong | mz_work: thanks, i'll give it a shot. |
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| 19:34.48 | pass | kingsley: yes, I just tried that and I cannot login at the prompt. I can select a different kernel when grub comes up, but that is it. |
| 19:35.13 | TonyStark | stew, it was doen to /etc/modprobe.d and /etc/modutils, it was added some scripts, a-la-hotplug, but for udev... |
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| 19:36.28 | hugh___ | is there somethign wrong with the security.debian.org mirror? I'm getting less than 10KB/s on a 10Mbit connection. |
| 19:37.16 | kingsley | pass: You can always press the button or just unplug the power. |
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| 19:37.39 | omi | hello all, is 3com's ATMLink PCI 155 (3c975-F) supported on linux (I'm using 2.6 series) |
| 19:37.57 | hugh___ | ok, wtf, now it's stopped. |
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| 19:38.54 | stew | TonyStark: i'm not sure then. Can you show me exactly what changed? |
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| 19:39.00 | Clinamen | sersa |
| 19:39.01 | Clinamen | sera |
| 19:39.23 | rohan | anyone know of a deb for gaim2 beta2 for deb sid ? |
| 19:39.24 | pass | kingsley: I did reboot the machine. The keyboard still won't work after it fully boots up and is at the login prompt. |
| 19:39.43 | rohan | http://ahacic.5gigs.com/ubuntu/gaim_2.0.0beta2-1_i386.deb ---> friend told this works perfect, but am scared of ubuntu :) |
| 19:39.44 | TonyStark | stew, no, i'm sorry, i remove udev and it erased all that scripts :( |
| 19:39.46 | stew | hugh___: security.debian.org is a round robin, not just one mirror, its often slow. you can try a different ip from the round-robin, or try a mirror, there is an unofficial mirror at ftp.de.debian.org for example |
| 19:39.57 | kingsley | pass: How about trying another keyboard? |
| 19:40.14 | _unstable | omi: yes |
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| 19:40.25 | omi | _unstable, which driver? |
| 19:40.28 | omi | or module name? |
| 19:40.33 | hugh___ | well, is there a way to make it restart the get, since this mirror sucks? |
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| 19:40.40 | hugh___ | yet not the entire install? |
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| 19:41.14 | TonyStark | stew, can i ask you one more question? it is about the order or load of the modules, and the agp... |
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| 19:41.37 | rohan | so, no gaim2 deb for sid ? |
| 19:41.40 | stew | TonyStark: ask away, i'm going to be in and out, if i don't answer likely someone would |
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| 19:42.23 | TonyStark | stew.. ok, my agpcard it doesn't come into agp mode, becuuase the driver (radeon) loads before the agpgart... how can i load it before? |
| 19:42.26 | rohan | they will provide rpm for fc1 to 4, but no debs |
| 19:42.27 | rohan | suckers |
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| 19:43.10 | lazzarello | okay. 'nother stupid question. Installing sarge and sid on the same disk but different partitions. can they share a /boot ? |
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| 19:43.22 | _unstable | omi: no idea |
| 19:43.23 | lazzarello | and swap |
| 19:43.29 | TonyStark | my agpcard it doesn't come into agp mode, because the driver (radeon) loads beafore the agpgart module... how can i load it before? |
| 19:43.42 | markybob | lazzarello, share swap, yes. share boot, no. |
| 19:43.46 | omi | _unstable, have you used the card before or you're getting the information from somewher, I'd just like to know |
| 19:43.52 | kspath | That is why I LOVE the fact that I do NOT use gaim. |
| 19:44.09 | iostream | Hi. Could someone explain to me what the cpu: % "hi" in top represents? |
| 19:44.15 | _unstable | omi: I used the card a few months ago. |
| 19:44.15 | lazzarello | markybob, k, thanks. |
| 19:44.25 | omi | awesome, how's performance? |
| 19:44.26 | _unstable | iostream: man top |
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| 19:45.54 | tuv | does P4 has real frequency scaling support in kernel 2.6.15 or not yet? |
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| 19:46.08 | pass | kingsley: I have tried another keyboard and it didn't work either. I can select a different kernel in grub just fine so I know the hardware works. Just something happens during bootup I guess. |
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| 19:46.19 | rohan | wow, kde 3.5.1 in etch |
| 19:46.22 | rohan | w00t w00t |
| 19:46.37 | iostream | _unstable: Before you just throw me off to some man page, have you consindered if it is not explained there (i cant find it ..) |
| 19:46.45 | roler | how can I pass the output of deborphan to apt-get remove ? |
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| 19:47.22 | kingsley | pass: Yes, I agree that your hardware seems OK. Unfortunately, I need to leave, but you may want to examine X's log file for error messages or warnings related to the keyboard. |
| 19:47.29 | dark`zzz | is there any wma2mp3 or wma2ogg program? i wanna to convert this format for something better |
| 19:47.40 | iostream | roler: apt-get remove `deborphan? |
| 19:47.42 | iostream | roler: apt-get remove `deborphan` |
| 19:47.47 | pass | kingsley: ok thanks for the help |
| 19:47.51 | dark`zzz | i don't wanna a wma codec, just a wma converter |
| 19:48.27 | dark`zzz | iostream, i think you don't need the ` on apt-get, apt-get remove deborphan is sufficient |
| 19:48.33 | tuv | how can i unload a cpufreq driver module if it says "in use"? i can't remove the governor module for the same reason "in use". how can I be using no governor so that i can unload them all? |
| 19:48.40 | roler | iostream, ; forgot about ``. thanks! |
| 19:48.51 | iostream | dark`zzz: Depends on what he wants to do.. |
| 19:49.14 | useruser_ | iostream: dunno. apt-get source top :-) |
| 19:49.14 | dark`zzz | iostream, well, when `` is necessary? |
| 19:49.53 | iostream | useruser_: okay, so you dont know.. |
| 19:50.07 | useruser_ | iostream: correct |
| 19:50.11 | tuv | apt-get remove deborphan will remove deborphan itself, not its output |
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| 19:50.19 | iostream | tuv: exactly |
| 19:50.36 | tuv | i don't think that is what roler wants, is it roler? |
| 19:50.57 | omi | apt-get remove `deborphan` |
| 19:51.06 | roler | tuv; yup! I just wanted to remove orphaned packages |
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| 19:51.11 | rohan | that will remove libdvdcss too, omi |
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| 19:51.12 | rohan | :P |
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| 19:51.21 | roler | tuv; `'s runs deborphan instead of removing deborphan |
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| 19:51.37 | tuv | i know |
| 19:51.41 | roler | hehe |
| 19:51.41 | _unstable | roler: deborphan|xargs `apt-get remove` |
| 19:51.42 | martinho | how to make udev load sg module when i plug a usb dvdrw? right now i have sg in /etc/modules |
| 19:52.03 | useruser_ | iostream: got it from the source - \fB hi\fR \*(EM Hardware IRQ The amount of time the CPU has been servicing hardware interrupts |
| 19:52.07 | roler | _unstable, ; I believe thats what I was looking for. |
| 19:52.10 | useruser_ | iostream: it's in a debian patch |
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| 19:52.41 | iostream | useruser_: So if that value is very high, it means what? |
| 19:52.50 | tuv | how do i unload all cpufreq governor modules so that i can unload cpufreq driver module? |
| 19:52.57 | useruser_ | iostream: the cpu has spent a long time servicing hardware interrupts? |
| 19:53.06 | TonyStark | my agpcard it doesn't come into agp mode, because the driver (radeon) loads before the agpgart module... how can i load it before? |
| 19:53.16 | iostream | useruser_: Guess so, how does that relate to a slow disk?.. |
| 19:53.27 | useruser_ | iostream: search me |
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| 19:55.51 | roler | thanks guys |
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| 20:00.47 | abrotman | !moo |
| 20:00.47 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 20:00.52 | iostream | Hi.. I'm building a new system and I have though of how I can make a snapshot of the final install and easy restore it, when i need too.. |
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| 20:01.01 | abrotman | iostream: many ways |
| 20:01.07 | iostream | I'm thinking: |
| 20:01.11 | iostream | Two partions and dd |
| 20:01.17 | viki | hello! Could somebody tell me, what package should I install, to get mkfs.vfat working? |
| 20:01.32 | abrotman | !find mkfs.vfat |
| 20:01.40 | iostream | viki: msdosfs or something like that |
| 20:01.45 | abrotman | dostools ? |
| 20:01.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mkfs.vfat' (1): (/sbin/mkfs.vfat) in otherosfs/dosfstools. |
| 20:01.52 | iostream | :) |
| 20:01.59 | Anime|Matte | hi, i wanna install debian into a pc that does not supports boot from cd so i created a boot floppy using boot.img but after bootstrap it prompts for root floppy how do i proceed to install ? |
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| 20:02.10 | TonyStark | my agpcard it doesn't come into agp mode, because the driver (radeon) loads before the agpgart module... how can i load it before? |
| 20:02.19 | beardy | Anime|Matte: Get the root floppy. |
| 20:02.36 | beardy | Anime|Matte: Probably called root.img. |
| 20:02.42 | ansong | ok, i'm an idiot. i went back and actually read the prompts dpkg was giving me and discovered that i needed to setup the mysql root user _before_ setting up drupal. |
| 20:02.56 | iostream | ansong: that is correct :) |
| 20:02.58 | abrotman | duh |
| 20:03.06 | ansong | the more you know... |
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| 20:03.21 | Anime|Matte | ok |
| 20:03.24 | Anime|Matte | ;) |
| 20:03.40 | iostream | abrotman: You think the dd solution will be viable? Will dd require the same size as the partion or just the space used on the partition? |
| 20:04.02 | abrotman | !info system-imager |
| 20:04.04 | abrotman | !info systemimager |
| 20:04.10 | abrotman | !info systemimager-client |
| 20:04.16 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:04.16 | dpkg | systemimager-client: (Utilities for creating an image and upgrading client machines), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.6.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 20:04.18 | abrotman | yay! |
| 20:04.25 | iostream | :D |
| 20:04.26 | abrotman | iostream: dd might work also though |
| 20:04.30 | abrotman | or tar |
| 20:04.42 | iostream | abrotman: It needs to be as simple as possible during restore... |
| 20:05.06 | abrotman | iostream: well .. look into it .. i've never used it |
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| 20:05.30 | iostream | abrotman: Idiots will be doing the restore (if/when neccesary..)... So I think: 1) Boot on knoppix 2) get them to a prompt 3) Have them type dd if=img.img of=/dev/hda1 would be the easiest way.. |
| 20:05.37 | evrenkan86 | when i do : "mount -t vfat -o umask=007 -o iocharset=iso-8859-9 /dev/hda1 /mnt/winXP/ " i get this "Unable to load NLS charset iso-8859-9 , FAT: IO charset iso-8859-9 not found" and couldnt mount it ??? |
| 20:05.45 | hugoboss | I've an AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 04) and sudendly I have no sound. Any hint? |
| 20:05.46 | markybob | iostream, them use something that's meant for this, like mondo rescue. http://www.mondorescue.com/ |
| 20:05.49 | morganew | Newbie RAID install question: installing Debian 3.1 on a Dell 2450 with just the stock Adaptec card, no hardware PERC RAID. trying to do software RAID, I set up the 4 disks to be RAID, I create a MD device, and then I try to use 'guided' partitioning. |
| 20:05.53 | morganew | it creates / and swap, but when I hit 'finish' I get a red screen telling me that it can't create ext3. but if I make my own partiion and JUST do ext3 with a / and no swap, it works. should I not try to create a swap partion on a RAID that also has the rest of the filesytem? |
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| 20:06.26 | markybob | markybob, look at the about page. it's what you want |
| 20:06.27 | ansong | hugoboss: try (as root, or sudo) "alsaconf"; then "alsactl store" |
| 20:06.34 | markybob | iostream, ^ |
| 20:06.50 | markybob | apparently i'm smoking good week if i'm sending messages to myself |
| 20:06.52 | iostream | markybob: Seems a bit complicated... Ill have a look though... |
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| 20:06.56 | markybob | s/week/weed. point proven |
| 20:08.02 | junco | primary difference between debian and ubuntu is ? |
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| 20:08.22 | shonxx | Debian is good distro for desktop? |
| 20:08.25 | TonyStark | my agpcard it doesn't come into agp mode, because the driver (radeon) loads before the agpgart module... how can i load it before? |
| 20:08.26 | ansong | junco: one is debian, the other one isn't ? |
| 20:08.39 | hugoboss | ansong: already tried that, but still no sound |
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| 20:08.56 | ansong | hugoboss: does alsaconf detect your card? |
| 20:09.06 | junco | ansong: ok how about in terms of software... which has more available? which is more up to date? |
| 20:09.10 | junco | which is better maintained? |
| 20:09.10 | markybob | junco, google. or try them both and find out. |
| 20:09.19 | hugoboss | ansong: yes. It's strange 'cause I got sudendly with no sound |
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| 20:09.23 | morganew | hmmm simpler way to ask, when you set up a RAID block, do you need to have a swap partition? |
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| 20:10.02 | junco | markybob: my whole reason for coming here was to avoid house and hours of searches/installing/trying different distros. i thought you guys could help me cut through some of the crap |
| 20:10.23 | [6502] | hello, i'm using debian sarge and today openoffice stopped working (just hangs when launched); i tried uninstalling and reinstalling it with no luck. is there a way to install openoffice 2.0 without upgrading the whole system ? i'm a bit scared... |
| 20:10.42 | ansong | junco: ubuntu is synced to debian unstable every six months or something. so i'm inclined to think that debian unstable is going to be better in that regard. i've used both, and have twice ended up ditching ubuntu to install debian |
| 20:10.51 | markybob | junco, truth of the matter is that no one here likes to talk about ubuntu. also, we're not here to try to sell people to debian...we're here to help those using debian. we're not a marketing department and dont care to be |
| 20:10.57 | shonxx | .. |
| 20:11.00 | ansong | [6502]: use backports.org |
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| 20:11.20 | starfishy | i second ansongs opinion |
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| 20:12.19 | thingfish | junco: http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php |
| 20:12.19 | starfishy | i tried ubuntu twice but reverted to debian too |
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| 20:12.20 | starfishy | though i never contemplated a complete switch, was just meant to be for a laptop |
| 20:12.20 | [6502] | thanx for the info... i'm going to check out the site to see what i need to add to sources... |
| 20:12.20 | junco | yeah i took that test... it said ubuntu... and like 4 other distros ive already used inyears past |
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| 20:12.20 | [6502] | should i re-uninstall openoffice first ? |
| 20:12.42 | Danar | i just upgraded a bunch of stuff (testing) and now my mouse doesn't work right. xmodmap thinks i have 11 buttons all of a sudden even though my xorg.conf is set properly (with 7) |
| 20:12.53 | pack | i'm getting bad header lines when i apt-get update with a local mirror. since i can browse the mirror fine i'm assuming there's some other gotcha i dont' know about. ideas? |
| 20:12.55 | ansong | [6502]: i'd just let dpkg take care of it. |
| 20:12.59 | Danar | how do i fix this? |
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| 20:13.20 | junco | anyone know if ubuntu uses the same rc startup type system as debian? .. .rc.d-update i think it is |
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| 20:13.37 | markybob | junco, same system |
| 20:13.42 | junco | i always thought that was a little messy |
| 20:13.54 | ansong | pack: go to pastebin.com and paste your sources.list |
| 20:14.04 | Danar | xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5" |
| 20:14.04 | Danar | xmodmap: commandline:1: bad number of buttons, must have 11 instead of 7 |
| 20:14.27 | hugoboss | ansong: my sound vanished after making tests with kmix and an upgrade (running unstable) |
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| 20:14.55 | harfooz | Hi all. I could really use a hand here. I have two etch boxes, that will not mount either my usb external hd (which I use for backup) or my usb key drive. I do have a message saying the etch sees the drives in dmesg, it's not mounting though. |
| 20:15.00 | Danar | my xorg.conf has Option "Buttons" "7" |
| 20:15.00 | Danar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.05 | ansong | hugoboss: ? i don't follow: "making tests" |
| 20:15.12 | Danar | what's going on? |
| 20:15.28 | markybob | harfooz, so why dont you mount them manually? do you get an error message when you try? |
| 20:15.51 | Danar | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 20:16.07 | hugoboss | ansong: With skype I only could hear, but microphone wann't working, so I enabled and disbled some entries |
| 20:16.35 | pack | ansong: http://pastebin.com/554786 |
| 20:16.41 | ansong | hugoboss: in kmix? |
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| 20:16.56 | hugoboss | asong: yes |
| 20:16.57 | harfooz | markybob -- I haven't tried that, but it's been so long that I don't remember how to. Up until a week ago, etch simply showed an icon on my desktops. |
| 20:17.08 | ansong | try purging the app and reinstalling? (i am just guessing atm) |
| 20:17.43 | markybob | harfooz, have them unplugged. tail -f /var/log/syslog plug them in. see where the system puts them. then mount /dev/{path_seen_in_syslog} /mnt |
| 20:17.48 | hugoboss | ansong: already done that :-( |
| 20:17.51 | Danar | can anyone help me fix my mouse? |
| 20:17.55 | Anime|Matte | er. it now asks to connect whereas i wanna install from cd is possible ? |
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| 20:19.28 | ansong | hugoboss: you said it broke after a reboot? um...reboot again? really, i've never had that much trouble with sound, so i'm out of ideas :( |
| 20:19.41 | Danar | :( |
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| 20:20.03 | ansong | pack: now how about the output of your apt-get update? |
| 20:20.12 | beardy | Danar: Tell us what's wrong with it then. |
| 20:20.30 | tdn | How do I install new TeX-packages in Debian? I need some packages to compile one of my LaTeX documents. How do I get more packages? |
| 20:20.32 | Danar | beardy, "i just upgraded a bunch of stuff (testing) and now my mouse doesn't work right. xmodmap thinks i have 11 buttons all of a sudden even though my xorg.conf is set properly (with 7)" |
| 20:20.45 | hugoboss | ansong: already rebooted a lot :-) thanks for answering. Is there any channel specific to sound problems |
| 20:20.45 | harfooz | markybob, the output from tail suggests this: /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 p3 |
| 20:20.56 | hugoboss | ? |
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| 20:21.26 | pumpkin0 | trying to use USB-CD drive under debian unstable with selfmade kernel 2.6.11. USB-detection looks good: http://tsn.dk/p/?id=3800 but mounting is impossible "mount: /dev/sg0 is not a block device". What am i missing / where to start searching ? |
| 20:21.28 | markybob | harfooz, good. now give it the mount command that i showed you above (as root) |
| 20:21.30 | harfooz | tdn, apt-cache search tetex will give you many packages |
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| 20:22.24 | lumat | hello, is it safe today to upgrade to kde 3.5? - Recently I had to downgrade becaus kded was crashing on start |
| 20:22.28 | tdn | harfooz, hmm... apt-cache search tetex returns 23 packages. |
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| 20:23.22 | harfooz | tdn, I typically use tetex-base, tetex-bin, tex-common, prosper |
| 20:23.25 | Danar | can anyone help me fix my mouse? |
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| 20:23.35 | lumat | of course |
| 20:23.51 | Anime|Matte | help! |
| 20:23.51 | [6502] | i get an error from aptitude uptate with "deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main" as stated in the docs.... :-/ |
| 20:23.55 | lumat | as long it's a hw prob |
| 20:24.11 | lumat | ;) |
| 20:24.16 | starfishy | danar: what do the X logs say about the number of buttons? |
| 20:24.24 | harfooz | markybob, mount is asking me for the file type. |
| 20:24.27 | Danar | starfishy, which? |
| 20:24.39 | [6502] | -stat (2 no such file or directory) |
| 20:24.42 | starfishy | which what? |
| 20:24.45 | tdn | harfooz, tex-common does not exist. |
| 20:24.46 | starfishy | which X logs? |
| 20:24.51 | beardy | Anime|Matte: Don't /msg people please. What happens if you don't select where to download from? Aren't there a cdrom alternative? |
| 20:24.55 | lepton | pumpkin0: what does 'fdisk -l' print? |
| 20:24.55 | Ronin | starfishy: yes, they dont know which log |
| 20:24.57 | markybob | harfooz, what is it? fat32? mount -t vfat /dev/{path} /mnt |
| 20:25.01 | starfishy | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:25.01 | Danar | starfishy, which log file? |
| 20:25.03 | Danar | k |
| 20:25.09 | harfooz | markybob, let me try that. |
| 20:25.12 | starfishy | or /var/log/Xfree86whatever |
| 20:25.19 | abrotman | XFree86.0.log |
| 20:25.25 | starfishy | thanks abrotman |
| 20:25.26 | pumpkin0 | Danar: my cat could come over. No seriously: http://tsn.dk/p/?id=3801 |
| 20:25.32 | tdn | harfooz, you are aware that I am talking about LaTeX-packages for use in \usepackage{package}, right? |
| 20:25.49 | starfishy | if the log says 7 buttons the problem is somewhere in the xmodmap config |
| 20:25.57 | Danar | starfishy, "(**) Configured Mouse: Buttons: 11" |
| 20:26.01 | harfooz | tdn, yep -- I use LaTex 8 hours a day. |
| 20:26.04 | pumpkin0 | lepton: the partitions on my hda-drive |
| 20:26.14 | lepton | pumpkin0: and nothing else? |
| 20:26.15 | Anime|Matte | beardy: i did the root floppy and plugged then hit enter... now it says i must connect (but that pc can't connect to the internet) so i wanna install from cd but it does not allow , and i dont undersdtand why |
| 20:26.29 | tdn | harfooz, but the LaTeX packages aren't returned with apt-cache search tetex. |
| 20:26.30 | Danar | starfishy, why would that be? my xorg.conf says 7... |
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| 20:26.37 | starfishy | Danar: then your x config is to blame |
| 20:26.48 | pumpkin0 | lepton: nope. the only prog output something about the drive is cdrecord.... |
| 20:27.01 | harfooz | trust me, tdn, the latex packages are inside the tetex packages ;-) |
| 20:27.07 | starfishy | remove the line that tells it the number of buttons |
| 20:27.11 | Danar | starfishy, Option "Buttons" "7" |
| 20:27.11 | starfishy | it should not be necessary |
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| 20:27.31 | Danar | starfishy, it was before |
| 20:27.42 | starfishy | how did you determine that? |
| 20:27.43 | harfooz | tdn, run this: apt-cache show tetex-base and you'll see. |
| 20:28.05 | pumpkin0 | Danar: if the driver wants 12 buttons, give it 12 buttons. Here's my line: pointer = 1 8 3 4 5 6 7 2 9 10 11 12 |
| 20:28.07 | Danar | starfishy, without it, xmodmap said there weren't enough buttons to do the configuration i needed |
| 20:28.10 | harfooz | tdn, apt-cache show tetex-bin |
| 20:28.24 | lepton | pumpkin0: have you scanned linux-usb.org ? |
| 20:28.30 | starfishy | i run two mice with 10+ buttons, two with 7, none of them have the buttons line |
| 20:28.41 | Danar | pumpkin0, 11 actually, and i'd still like to know wtf happened and where it got '11' from |
| 20:28.45 | starfishy | what driver are you using? |
| 20:28.59 | beardy | Anime|Matte: Where did you get those floppies? Sounds like it's netinstaller floppies, there probably is install-from-cd floppies aswell. |
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| 20:28.59 | starfishy | i mean which protocol |
| 20:29.09 | Danar | oh, explorerps/2 |
| 20:29.11 | pumpkin0 | Danar: the driver changed the default number of buttons in this release. |
| 20:29.12 | shogunx | who needs 10 buttons on a mouse? isn't that what a keyboard is for? |
| 20:29.13 | Danar | that's the one i need |
| 20:29.13 | tdn | harfooz, ok. Thanks. |
| 20:29.26 | pumpkin0 | lepton: browsing it since 2 hours ... |
| 20:29.27 | harfooz | tdn, no problem -- let me know if you need more help getting latex set up. |
| 20:29.33 | starfishy | shogunx: i dont need them but i want the rest of the mouse so i am stuck with the buttons |
| 20:29.42 | Ungy | shogunx, a person with only 1 arm |
| 20:29.42 | starfishy | and a tilting scrollwheel is nice at times |
| 20:29.50 | Danar | pumpkin0, well considering i'm specifying the number of buttons, why would it use the default? |
| 20:29.52 | tdn | harfooz, I will. Thanks :) |
| 20:30.21 | Anime|Matte | got from d:\install\floppy\*.img |
| 20:30.25 | Anime|Matte | used boot.img |
| 20:30.26 | starfishy | danar, is it a MS Explorer mouse? |
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| 20:30.28 | Anime|Matte | and root.img |
| 20:30.29 | pack | ansong: looksl like my mirror was corrupted. |
| 20:30.33 | pumpkin0 | Danar: ask the developer ... it bugged me too. |
| 20:30.34 | [6502] | the problem apparently was a simple extra "/" ... the description on http://www.backports.org/instructions.html didn't work for me as stated |
| 20:30.36 | starfishy | MS Explorer PS/2 i mean |
| 20:30.37 | Danar | starfishy, logitech mx500 |
| 20:30.47 | starfishy | then why are you using the explorer protocol? |
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| 20:30.54 | Danar | starfishy, it needs it |
| 20:30.56 | gobfrey | can anyone help with an installation problem? |
| 20:31.02 | starfishy | for the mx500 the protocol would either be ImPS/2 or evdev |
| 20:31.06 | starfishy | depending on what you want to do |
| 20:31.12 | Danar | starfishy, according to all the guides i read for setting it up. and they worked |
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| 20:31.23 | Danar | starfishy, untill i upgraded stuff just now |
| 20:31.29 | starfishy | i have two MX1000 and they both use evdev |
| 20:31.33 | gobfrey | My hard disks aren't detcted |
| 20:31.41 | lepton | pumpkin0: does fdisk -l /dev/sda print anything? |
| 20:31.42 | starfishy | danar: functionality does change |
| 20:31.44 | Danar | starfishy, everything on the web says explorerPS/2, and that's what's always worked |
| 20:31.54 | Danar | starfishy, my mouse didn't :p |
| 20:31.58 | starfishy | that surprises me very much |
| 20:32.03 | pumpkin0 | lepton: nothing at all. |
| 20:32.10 | lepton | pumpkin0: put a disk in the drive |
| 20:32.19 | shogunx | gobfrey are the disk controller chipsets detected? |
| 20:32.22 | starfishy | for the MX1000 the universal consensus is that if you want all the buttons to work the event interfac e is necessary |
| 20:32.28 | pumpkin0 | lepton: there is a disc inside and it is spining. |
| 20:32.53 | lepton | pumpkin0: have you tried sdb, sdc ? |
| 20:33.08 | Danar | starfishy, er... ? i use imwheel and this line: xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5" |
| 20:33.12 | gobfrey | shogunx: I have no idea. It says it can find a 1GB memory card (which I don't have). I have 2 large hard disks on SDA and SDB |
| 20:33.19 | beardy | Anime|Matte: You should be able to choose cdrom instead then. Check the installer menu, also read the install guide. |
| 20:33.28 | Danar | starfishy, with a xaxis mapping for 6 & 7 |
| 20:33.36 | Danar | starfishy, er, zaxis |
| 20:33.37 | starfishy | i dont use imwheel and my wheel works just fine with evdev |
| 20:33.43 | shogunx | gobfrey SCSI disks? what SCSI card? |
| 20:33.49 | starfishy | thats the whole point of the event interface |
| 20:33.59 | gobfrey | shogunx: I'm using Ubuntu at the moment, and I had no problems installing that. I want to try Debian |
| 20:34.04 | Danar | starfishy, er, it does something else i think |
| 20:34.05 | pumpkin0 | lepton: still nothing. mount complains about "not a valid block device" so i guess it's not sda-sdd |
| 20:34.05 | Anime|Matte | there no choose it first asks for some kinda drivers then prompts for netinst |
| 20:34.07 | Anime|Matte | :( |
| 20:34.07 | gobfrey | shogunx: how do I find that out |
| 20:34.13 | starfishy | http://floam.sh.nu/guides/mx1000 |
| 20:34.17 | Danar | starfishy, i know nothing about that |
| 20:34.25 | lepton | pumpkin0: is it a blank disk? |
| 20:34.30 | starfishy | read that, it explains the eevent interface quite nicely |
| 20:34.46 | starfishy | should work the same with all logi mice |
| 20:34.51 | shogunx | gobfrey well, you can look at the card, physically, or you can boot ubuntu and give me the output of lspci |
| 20:35.03 | Danar | starfishy, that's a different mouse with 12 buttons :/ |
| 20:35.31 | pumpkin0 | lepton: no, and the disc is readable in my normal IDE-CDROM-drive. But it's a 5,25 USB-enclosure with a old CD-drive i had anround. i think these 2 don't go along every well. |
| 20:35.32 | gobfrey | shogunx: there is no card, the disks plug into the motherboard |
| 20:35.45 | lepton | pumpkin0: have you loaded the right kernel modules/config'ed the kernel for usb device and scsi generic? |
| 20:35.50 | starfishy | danar: all the logi mice work the same |
| 20:35.56 | starfishy | just adjust the number of buttons |
| 20:36.02 | starfishy | ExplorerPS/2 is dated |
| 20:36.06 | FarrisG | Still having this dhcp problem, but it looks like it's only on windows clients. Ethereal isn't helping, basically shows me the same info that's showing up in syslog on the server |
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| 20:36.28 | shogunx | sounds like no driver for the scsi card gobfrey. you could try booting the installer with linux26 at the lilo prompt the installer boot to. if the scsi card is onboard, then lspci is the only way, unless you find the scsi chipset on the motherboard. |
| 20:36.35 | pumpkin0 | lepton: usb_storage, cdrom, ide_scsi, sg, sd_mod, scsi_mod.... and some other ... |
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| 20:36.56 | lepton | pumpkin0: checked the BIOS? does it work under some other operating system? |
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| 20:37.14 | tktktk | grr; anyone know how I can watch the nbcolympics.com ivdeos? I have mplayer installed but no idea where to get the feed from |
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| 20:37.25 | pumpkin0 | lepton: didn't had the time. I will try now under windows, i'm back in 10 min. ths |
| 20:37.40 | lepton | pumpkin0: good luck |
| 20:38.13 | henrycha | hi i'm henrycha ffrom peru |
| 20:38.19 | Anime|Matte | ok did it just feed in cd_drive.img floppy |
| 20:38.20 | Danar | starfishy, arg. do you have a page like that for the mx500? |
| 20:38.39 | henrycha | i have a trouble in my debian sarge |
| 20:39.15 | shogunx | henrycha whats the trouble? |
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| 20:39.24 | gobfrey | shogunx: so when it says 'boot' I type linux26, and then continue? |
| 20:39.36 | henrycha | when i want to add a user using "adduser" there is a error |
| 20:39.42 | shogunx | gobfrey correct |
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| 20:39.59 | gobfrey | shogunx: OK, I'll try that. THanks |
| 20:40.15 | shogunx | henrycha can you paste the error in #flood |
| 20:40.35 | Anime|Matte | just a question debian work on a 166mhz 16mbram 2gb hdd pc ? |
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| 20:40.57 | Danar | another thing i noticed, xchat isn't beeping any more on messages... :/ |
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| 20:41.15 | FarrisG | Why does the dhcpd.leases file fill up with multiple identical leases? |
| 20:41.22 | henrycha | see this my problem i'm in a cofeechat |
| 20:41.24 | shogunx | Anime|Matte you might have problems installing with such little ram, but a system from a transplanted hd, for example, will boot and run fine. |
| 20:41.34 | henrycha | i' dont have internet in my computer |
| 20:41.36 | beardy | Anime|Matte: The sarge isntaller wont run on 16MB RAM, I think it needs 22MB, but again, read the Installation Guide. |
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| 20:42.07 | shogunx | henrycha ok, what is the error message? |
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| 20:42.29 | Hanzo__ | i bring good news. |
| 20:42.46 | shogunx | Hanzo__ Redmond has burned to the ground? |
| 20:43.12 | deadcat | shogunx: tahts not nice. |
| 20:43.19 | Hanzo__ | my School is Switching all its servers and Workstations from Xp pro to debian 3.1 |
| 20:43.27 | starfishy | danar: why do you need a page for the mx500? the techniques listed there apply to all MX mice |
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| 20:43.35 | deadcat | Hanzo__: what school? and hows that good nice to us? |
| 20:43.38 | starfishy | the logitech mice are more or less interchangeable |
| 20:43.46 | [6502] | hanzo__ i hope you guys are not going to need openoffice then |
| 20:43.52 | Hanzo__ | why? |
| 20:44.25 | Hanzo__ | whats wrong with openoffice. |
| 20:44.36 | Danar | starfishy, arg, how do i get evdev? |
| 20:44.37 | [6502] | hanzo__ nah... i was kidding, i'm just fighting with it tonight... it has my docs and doesn't want to open any more |
| 20:44.51 | starfishy | evdev driver should be in your kernel |
| 20:44.57 | starfishy | or are you still running 2.4? |
| 20:45.02 | Danar | 2.6 |
| 20:45.29 | Hanzo__ | its a school in UK with about 950 students and 200 computer systems. |
| 20:45.29 | [6502] | hanzo__ updating to 2.0 under sarge is becoming a nightmare, now half is 2.0 and half is 1.3 and everything is messed up |
| 20:45.33 | Danar | starfishy, i found my own page for it: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Mouse+Buttons |
| 20:45.45 | Danar | sorta |
| 20:45.57 | Anime|Matte | it says it can't copy libparted1-6.ndeb |
| 20:46.00 | starfishy | that one looks good too |
| 20:46.00 | FarrisG | it looks like all these clients are trying to request addresses they've always had, but for some reason new clients aren't getting any address at all... the range is x.x.x.20 to x.x.x.254, but all of the leases in the dhcpd.leases file apear to be from about 150 to 254 |
| 20:46.03 | Hanzo__ | the network is flaky under windows 2003 server. |
| 20:46.09 | kspath | I am really starting to hate dynamnic linking!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:46.16 | shogunx | Hanzo__ you could make a nice cluster out of that. |
| 20:46.25 | [6502] | shared libraries suck |
| 20:46.32 | FarrisG | is there any way to force th server to ignore what address the clients are asking for, to sort of force a flush? |
| 20:46.43 | [6502] | static link! copy-is-install! |
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| 20:46.55 | kspath | [6502]: AMEN! |
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| 20:47.30 | Hanzo__ | shogunx: a cluster 200x Atlon XP, 512mb, 20-GB HDD. 100mbit/s LAN. |
| 20:47.41 | pumpkin0 | lepton: works like a charm under windows. So i guess a module is missing. |
| 20:47.51 | kspath | The main point of shared/dynamic was machines were too weak and HDs were too small. That is not true anymore. |
| 20:47.52 | shogunx | Hanzo__ :) |
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| 20:48.06 | [6502] | kspath: the current situation is so messy that it even make sense to distribute software using vmware virtual pcs :-D |
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| 20:48.40 | Hanzo__ | i think its because the Windows OS is too expensive. |
| 20:48.59 | kspath | What is windows? |
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| 20:49.06 | Danar | starfishy, so if i change the device to /dev/input/event2 then i don't need the explorer protocol? |
| 20:49.08 | kspath | Is it that Redmond virii? |
| 20:49.10 | forrestF | how do i set my timezone? |
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| 20:49.15 | deadcat | Hanzo__: but why debian? |
| 20:49.20 | shogunx | kspath a wrong turn |
| 20:49.20 | forrestF | i whant to set it to GMT |
| 20:49.40 | deadcat | forrestF: tzconfig |
| 20:49.46 | [6502] | hanzo__ it all depends on how do you count the money. if time is free then linux and aptitude are just wonderful |
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| 20:50.44 | [6502] | hanzo___ if you need your docs back from a messed up openoffice installation then ms office is cheaper |
| 20:50.49 | akira_ | i'm trying to install: libqt3-mt-dev, but fails cause of unmet depends: Depends: libxrandr-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4) but it is not going to be installed |
| 20:50.59 | akira_ | is this because i'm using the wrong mirrors? |
| 20:51.03 | forrestF | for GMT the time is 14 Feb 20:50:42 |
| 20:51.30 | deadcat | akira_: no. tahts what testing and unstable do. they sometimes break |
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| 20:52.18 | illsci | hey do any of you guys use the debian testing evolution with the exchange connector? |
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| 20:52.36 | illsci | when i go to configure it for exchange server none of the options show up in the screen where you put in your name |
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| 20:53.30 | akira_ | deadcat, so, should i use unstable mirrors? |
| 20:54.10 | deadcat | akira_: if your debian is unstable then yes. if you're not ready to deal with the breakage once a while. then hell to the no |
| 20:54.12 | illsci | oh another question why doesnt .bash_profile get sourced when i spawn new shells |
| 20:54.15 | illsci | or new terminals |
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| 20:54.27 | deadcat | illsci: because its not a login shell |
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| 20:54.35 | illsci | hmm |
| 20:54.42 | britt | Guerin: you called it man. |
| 20:54.42 | deadcat | hmm nothing |
| 20:54.54 | illsci | is it my login shell |
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| 20:54.55 | britt | my drive died, lost 8000 songs... |
| 20:55.03 | illsci | im not talking about in screen or anything |
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| 20:55.08 | britt | :( im trying to see if i can recover anything. |
| 20:55.10 | Danar | starfishy, i edited my xorg.conf and now my mouse doesn't work at all :/ |
| 20:55.12 | deadcat | illsci: bullshit |
| 20:55.19 | FarrisG | this is killing me. I've scoured man pages, and newsgroups. I've removed and reinstalled dhcpd |
| 20:55.29 | illsci | hahahah |
| 20:55.34 | illsci | no it is but i know your right i just checked |
| 20:55.40 | illsci | when i log in on the console it does source it |
| 20:55.55 | illsci | how do i set my login shell for gnome |
| 20:56.03 | akira_ | damn, as soon as i use the unstable branch, it wants to remove just about every package. |
| 20:56.09 | bnoji | I'm working on a pen-test for an intranet site, and I'm stuck on a SQL select |
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| 20:56.43 | illsci | I GOT IT! |
| 20:56.46 | Bucciarati | then you shouldn't be doing that pen-test at all |
| 20:56.48 | illsci | thanks deadcat |
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| 20:57.02 | deadcat | illsci: because a "gnome-terminal" is not a login shell. click on the pref and select login shell |
| 20:57.08 | bnoji | Bucciarati: Normally, it works, but they are stripping single quotes... |
| 20:57.08 | illsci | yeah i did |
| 20:57.18 | illsci | deadcat now fix my evolution-exchange connector |
| 20:57.27 | [6502] | SQL is not structured, it's not of query and it requires quite a lot of elasticity to call it even a language |
| 20:57.28 | illsci | :) |
| 20:57.30 | deadcat | illsci: no clue on either crap ass apps |
| 20:57.34 | deadcat | (= |
| 20:57.41 | bnoji | Company docs are stored in a public web dir with random filenames (stored in the DB) |
| 20:57.44 | illsci | i wish i had another option... |
| 20:57.48 | illsci | its either this or windows |
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| 20:58.01 | deadcat | postfix+mutt hehe |
| 20:58.06 | vektor | Help - I'm getting a GPG error from http.us.debian.org, and someone seems to have broken into my machine recently. Does anyone know how I can authenticate this? |
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| 20:58.08 | bnoji | I'm able to get the first record of the table, and normally i can enumerate the rest by saying value1 > 'lastvalue' |
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| 20:58.12 | kspath | britt: just rip the music off your original/legal CDs of all that music you paid for. |
| 20:58.13 | Bucciarati | bnoji: let me guess.. all names [a-z]{8} ? |
| 20:58.19 | illsci | yeah but i have to get the calander for meetings and such |
| 20:58.37 | bnoji | Bucciarati: basically. they tried to hide the filenames, but still give access. |
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| 20:58.44 | deadcat | ah. always the calendar... i had that problem with my old job too. |
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| 20:58.54 | bnoji | I can list the first filename in the list with SQL injection...but I cant get to the next records |
| 20:58.56 | Nwallins | haha, i just ran across an old reference to 'componentized linux'... great name (not) i guess they're still active? |
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| 20:59.03 | amee2k | is there a comparison table for ftp server daemons? |
| 20:59.06 | Bucciarati | bnoji: interesting |
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| 20:59.09 | spiekey | hello! |
| 20:59.09 | deadcat | amee2k: no |
| 20:59.11 | Danar | starfishy, fyi, got it. thanks for the help |
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| 20:59.24 | amee2k | :( |
| 20:59.30 | Bucciarati | bnoji: no hope of bruteforcing them? |
| 20:59.48 | bnoji | Bucciarati: filenames are up to 32 chars long... |
| 20:59.53 | spiekey | i would like to set up a own apt-server to distribute my own packages to my own servers. Is there a way to protect such a source with a http passwd? |
| 21:00.02 | bnoji | we assumed that any brute force attack will be noticed and shutdown |
| 21:00.06 | Bucciarati | bnoji: ok, focus on the sql-fu then :)) |
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| 21:00.17 | bnoji | Bucciarati: I need an SQL export. |
| 21:00.19 | deadcat | somebody try : apt-get install -y '[a-zA-Z]*' : please. thanks |
| 21:00.20 | bnoji | er, expet |
| 21:00.25 | bnoji | crap. expert. |
| 21:00.53 | cisse | spiekey: sure just use regular apache .htaccess auth |
| 21:00.55 | Bucciarati | bnoji: maybe #sql can be more helpful than #debian, don't you think? :) |
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| 21:00.59 | bnoji | I need a way to select the second record in a result, or limit that result based on a string |
| 21:01.00 | amee2k | I need a lightweight ftp server to serve big files and fast. which one is best for that? |
| 21:01.03 | TigerTjader | hi |
| 21:01.07 | bnoji | Bucciarati: I tried #sql |
| 21:01.08 | amee2k | any hints? |
| 21:01.11 | deadcat | Bucciarati: he wasnt thinking. thats why hes here (= |
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| 21:01.28 | deadcat | amee2k: they all work. |
| 21:01.29 | spiekey | cisee: but how do i add this protected source into my sources.list? |
| 21:02.02 | deadcat | amee2k: ftpd is the lightweight one. |
| 21:02.02 | cisse | spiekey: ah hrm i see what you're saying, dont' know |
| 21:02.02 | TigerTjader | i`m using gdm for login, how do I log in a console? |
| 21:02.06 | deadcat | TigerTjader: ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 21:02.14 | amee2k | good :) |
| 21:02.20 | TigerTjader | thanks |
| 21:02.24 | TigerTjader | i`m new to linux |
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| 21:02.27 | amee2k | I'll have a look |
| 21:02.28 | amee2k | ty |
| 21:02.31 | Bucciarati | bnoji: mysql? i think something like "limit 1 desc" can give you the last result? |
| 21:02.44 | tuv | TigerTjader: CTRL-ALT-F1 |
| 21:02.47 | deadcat | amee2k: but i dont know about security on ftpd since its the generic ftp daemon (= |
| 21:03.42 | tuv | deadcat: you're fast :) |
| 21:03.44 | TigerTjader | I have to close X, how do I do that |
| 21:03.52 | deadcat | i dont know if any of you car owners thought of this before, but i really wnat a big ass debian swirl on the front hood of the car (= |
| 21:03.54 | tuv | /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 21:04.01 | [6502] | YAY! |
| 21:04.03 | deadcat | tuv: ya. T3 line (= |
| 21:04.04 | [6502] | works! |
| 21:04.14 | tuv | :) |
| 21:04.34 | deadcat | !nodm |
| 21:04.35 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 21:05.05 | bnoji | Bucciarati: they are using MSSQL |
| 21:05.06 | FarrisG | Any dhcpd experts in here? I've had dhcpd v3 running on a debian box for over two years now. Without any configuration changes, suddenly this week it's taking 10 to 15 minutes for windows clients to properly get a lease/address. Linux clients are fine. I've tried rebooting the server, flushing the leases, changing the range, nothing helps. As far as the syslog shows, the leases are being assigned instantaneously, but the clients are hang |
| 21:05.18 | Bucciarati | bnoji: *vomit* |
| 21:05.25 | bnoji | yeah. |
| 21:05.31 | Bucciarati | bnoji: then you're definetly on the wrong channel :)) |
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| 21:05.37 | deadcat | HAHAHAHA |
| 21:05.53 | deadcat | Bucciarati: told you he wasnt thinking at all. |
| 21:05.58 | bnoji | i know. i cant find any other references farther along than ive already made it |
| 21:06.03 | keherman | what is the wildcard to match multiple pacvkages with apt -- like r-cran-* |
| 21:06.26 | deadcat | bnoji: debian users dont use any type of sql craps. we use text based |
| 21:06.27 | bnoji | I've found a few describing a similar case, but, special chars arent stripped on those servers |
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| 21:06.55 | deadcat | keherman: 'blah-x*' |
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| 21:07.02 | seb- | any ideas why can't mount CD-ROMs on Debian? /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd don't exist!? |
| 21:07.03 | deadcat | keherman: single quote the mofo |
| 21:07.15 | Bucciarati | bnoji: i have little skills on mysql, but none on mssql.. good luck |
| 21:07.16 | deadcat | seb-: dmesg|grep ^hd |
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| 21:07.45 | keherman | deadcat, no that did not work |
| 21:07.54 | keherman | deadcat, i have used it once before |
| 21:08.07 | deadcat | keherman: what you trying to match |
| 21:08.14 | yoanis_gil | hi there guys |
| 21:08.20 | keherman | deadcat, "aptitude install r-cran-*" |
| 21:08.26 | yoanis_gil | i need an status file from a fresh installed machine |
| 21:08.27 | seb- | Quiznos, deadcat: dmesg didn't have anything with hd noteworthy |
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| 21:08.54 | deadcat | keherman: yes it works, just broken packages: agi 'r-cran-*' |
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| 21:09.00 | yoanis_gil | can you help me |
| 21:09.01 | yoanis_gil | ? |
| 21:09.14 | deadcat | seb-: cd /dev/ && sudo ./MAKEDEV maybe. |
| 21:09.27 | deadcat | yoanis_gil: what status file? |
| 21:09.32 | mz_work | Seb: dmesg|grep ATAPI |
| 21:09.44 | yoanis_gil | i need this because i don't have an Internet connection at home |
| 21:10.00 | yoanis_gil | so i need a fresh dpkg status file |
| 21:10.13 | keherman | deadcat, "couldn't find r-cran-*" |
| 21:10.15 | deadcat | yoanis_gil: clearify your question. whats the name of the file. |
| 21:10.21 | deadcat | keherman: i have unstable |
| 21:10.26 | seb- | deadcat: what would /dev/MAKEDEV do? |
| 21:10.52 | deadcat | keherman: maybe they are in non-free or contrib? you have those in your sources? |
| 21:11.12 | keherman | deadcat, the problem is apt not matching * |
| 21:11.14 | deadcat | seb-: no. cd to /dev and run ./MAKEDEV there. it makes devices. man MAKEDEV |
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| 21:11.20 | keherman | i dont think * is a valid wild card |
| 21:11.28 | deadcat | keherman: yes it is |
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| 21:12.11 | deadcat | keherman: try apt-get install 'r-cran-.*' |
| 21:12.23 | yoanis_gil | the dpkg status file |
| 21:12.38 | deadcat | yoanis_gil: well i dont have it. |
| 21:12.45 | yoanis_gil | you know the one located at /var/lib/dpkg |
| 21:12.49 | deadcat | oh |
| 21:13.04 | deadcat | yoanis_gil: why didnt you say that earlier (= |
| 21:13.08 | stew | yoanis_gil: /msg dpkg status-recovery |
| 21:13.12 | yoanis_gil | sorry |
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| 21:13.34 | deadcat | yoanis_gil: cant you just dpkg --get-selections > filename ? |
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| 21:13.42 | bnoji | troelsarvin: yeah, i found one hole already |
| 21:13.43 | seb- | deadcat: no |
| 21:13.53 | stew | yoanis_gil: if that doens't work, you can /msg dpkg very fubar status file |
| 21:13.54 | seb- | deadcat: does udev handle it? how kickstart udev? |
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| 21:13.59 | BucWheat | any opera users in chan? |
| 21:14.09 | deadcat | seb-: /etc/init.d/udev restart ? |
| 21:14.12 | bnoji | I'm trying to list the filenames of the files in the documents folder |
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| 21:14.16 | deadcat | BucWheat: not too many |
| 21:14.24 | bnoji | (which are all stored in a table) |
| 21:14.24 | BucWheat | im having issues with javascript |
| 21:14.27 | yoanis_gil | well |
| 21:14.42 | BucWheat | deadcat i see :) |
| 21:14.45 | yoanis_gil | that doesn't solve my problem |
| 21:15.00 | yoanis_gil | my file isn't corrupted |
| 21:15.09 | yoanis_gil | i need a new one |
| 21:15.30 | Seb | yoanis_gil: how about you state what the pb is then, now what half-assed solution you individually came up with to fix it ? |
| 21:15.36 | Seb | s/now/not/ |
| 21:15.51 | stew | yoanis_gil: why do you need a different one? |
| 21:16.06 | yoanis_gil | let me explain better |
| 21:16.13 | yoanis_gil | I don't have Internet at home |
| 21:16.20 | yoanis_gil | so to install debian at home |
| 21:16.28 | yoanis_gil | i need to do 2 steps |
| 21:16.44 | yoanis_gil | 1-Install the base Debian at home |
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| 21:16.55 | yoanis_gil | 2-Go to school download all needed packages |
| 21:16.57 | yoanis_gil | and go home |
| 21:17.00 | yoanis_gil | and install |
| 21:17.05 | yoanis_gil | see? |
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| 21:17.27 | stew | yoanis_gil: what does any of that have to do with the status file? |
| 21:17.30 | deadcat | yoanis_gil: why not just download the first debian cd? |
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| 21:18.07 | yoanis_gil | i think i have to do with the status file |
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| 21:18.19 | deadcat | yoanis_gil: why you try to be a hero? |
| 21:18.48 | yoanis_gil | because i can tell dpkg "Look this is what i have installed at home" |
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| 21:18.55 | stew | yoanis_gil: what do you expect to do with the status file? are you just trying to get a list of packages in base? |
| 21:19.18 | yoanis_gil | "and i want to install these packages based on what i have installed at home" |
| 21:19.20 | deadcat | yoanis_gil: well then it aint gonna work and you on your own. |
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| 21:19.33 | stew | yoanis_gil: "look this is what i have installed" is dpkg --get-selections > somefile |
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| 21:19.46 | S4nD3r | Hello... I need something to use as agenda(reminder) in linux box, what to use?? |
| 21:19.49 | apfel | Where can/should I set LC_CTYPE again? |
| 21:20.00 | deadcat | S4nD3r: cron |
| 21:20.03 | stew | yoanis_gil: is there some reason you can't just install from cd's? |
| 21:20.05 | yoanis_gil | stew to do that i need to install first |
| 21:20.17 | illsci | is there a way with apt or aptitude to select a specific or older version of a package |
| 21:20.22 | illsci | im using testing btw... |
| 21:20.25 | yoanis_gil | yes stew |
| 21:20.45 | deadcat | yoanis_gil: then why you wnat a clean status file? should you get the one on your home box? |
| 21:20.46 | yoanis_gil | we have a Debian mirror |
| 21:21.04 | stew | yoanis_gil: why can't you install from cds? |
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| 21:21.17 | yoanis_gil | because there is a better way to do it |
| 21:21.27 | yoanis_gil | with APT_CONF |
| 21:21.29 | apfel | I tried to export LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8 before I use startx. But X uses a lot of CPU and basically hangs then. Any ideas? |
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| 21:22.05 | deadcat | yoanis_gil: like i said. your question is out of our reach as debian users. |
| 21:22.08 | deadcat | you on your own |
| 21:22.16 | S4nD3r | No... deadcat |
| 21:22.20 | S4nD3r | I dont know to use this... |
| 21:22.22 | deadcat | S4nD3r: what? |
| 21:22.30 | S4nD3r | Id like something graphical... |
| 21:22.43 | stew | S4nD3r: xterm -e crontab -e |
| 21:22.48 | themp-afk | apfel |
| 21:22.56 | Ungy | S4nD3r, you want it porn graphical or GUI graphical |
| 21:23.04 | yoanis_gil | well it tseems you don't understand my problem |
| 21:23.05 | deadcat | S4nD3r: gcrontab |
| 21:23.07 | stew | yoanis_gil: are you just trying to get a list of packages you need to move? |
| 21:23.09 | yoanis_gil | sorry |
| 21:23.10 | pumpkin0 | somehow 2 gcc got installed on my box (debian, testing): 4.0.3 and 3.3.6. How can i get rid of 4.0.3 with minimal amount of fuss ? |
| 21:23.13 | S4nD3r | oh... I will see this gcrontab |
| 21:23.19 | yoanis_gil | not a list |
| 21:23.20 | themp-afk | LC_TYPE is borked because when you started X it turned it offf or unset LC_TYPE |
| 21:23.27 | S4nD3r | I think this is enough |
| 21:23.27 | yoanis_gil | the packages |
| 21:23.28 | keherman | # aptitude install 'r-cran-~n' <-- '~n' is the wildcard for aptitude |
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| 21:23.34 | apfel | themp-afk: yes? |
| 21:23.44 | S4nD3r | Because I want to be reminder to go to my classes |
| 21:23.49 | S4nD3r | appointments |
| 21:23.50 | deadcat | keherman: try the one i gave you using apt-get see if it works |
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| 21:24.06 | keherman | deadcat, apt-get and aptitude use different wild cards! |
| 21:24.07 | cisse | sigh how was the 2.6.15 initrd issue resolved |
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| 21:24.14 | apfel | themp-afk: Any ideas what I can do? |
| 21:24.18 | themp-afk | apfel is this x86 dist ? |
| 21:24.22 | deadcat | S4nD3r: $ at 12pm then echo go to class lazy bastard |
| 21:24.22 | apfel | themp-afk: yes |
| 21:24.35 | deadcat | keherman: i see. i dont have aptittude |
| 21:24.49 | S4nD3r | deadcat, You are so educated |
| 21:24.50 | stew | yoanis_gil: you could debootstrap a chroot install on a machine with network access, then apt-get --download-only [list of packages to install], then you'll have all the packages of base + your selections in /var/cache/apt/archives, i guess |
| 21:24.54 | Sonny | Hello, do you know how can I change the font's size of some apps??? like Thunderbird, aMule, the look bigger than anothers |
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| 21:25.14 | deadcat | S4nD3r: even better. just install gdeskcal and use it that way. it circles today's date, and underline the date with appointments (= |
| 21:25.45 | deadcat | S4nD3r: http://www.pycage.de/software_gdeskcal.html |
| 21:25.47 | dbe | is Debian a Linux distribution or a GNU/Linux distribution? |
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| 21:25.57 | deadcat | dbe: what you think? |
| 21:26.05 | stew | yoanis_gil: or you should be getting a list of base + required packages from the debootstrap scripts, then figuring out the dependencies you need for the additional packages using grep-dctrl + a script |
| 21:26.23 | S4nD3r | Now I must thank you deadcat ! |
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| 21:26.31 | pinks | anyone know of a good monitoring programme to ping up to 50 IP's and produce graphic reports and email alerts? |
| 21:26.44 | cisse | nagios |
| 21:26.44 | deadcat | S4nD3r: no need. thank the guy who wrote gdeskcal. althought he SHOULD upgrade the damn thing though |
| 21:27.13 | S4nD3r | pinks, nessus |
| 21:27.16 | dbe | deadcat, the correct name should be a GNU/Linux distribution but "SuSE GNU/Linux 9 - A Linux distribution supplied by Novell" they name it as Linux distribution so I don't know |
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| 21:27.19 | useruser_ | S4nD3r: apt-get install remind |
| 21:27.22 | themp-afk | apfel weird did you retry configureing locale with dpkg ? |
| 21:27.33 | apfel | themp-afk: if I start an urxvt within X, export LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8, and then type urxvt within the current urxvt, the newly started urxvt has correct UTF-8 support |
| 21:27.37 | pinks | S4nD3r: cheers :-D |
| 21:27.38 | harfooz | Hi everyone. I'm experiencing some symptoms on etch that I want to understand (and hopefully fix). My USB key drive and USB external drive, are no long recognized and automatically mounted when plugging them in. |
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| 21:28.17 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:28.18 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:28.19 | themp-afk | apfel you have to fix the reason it fails ... might not detect the mouse or something |
| 21:28.24 | harfooz | I am able to mount the external drive with the command # mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /media/backup |
| 21:28.30 | deadcat | dbe: debian gnu/linux everything is free. although gentoo claims gentoo gnu/linux as well i think. thats NOT true |
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| 21:28.32 | stew | harfooz: do you know what was doing that for you? was it gnome-volume-manager perhaps? |
| 21:28.37 | stew | harfooz: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:28.52 | harfooz | Linux debian 2.6.12-1-386 |
| 21:29.12 | harfooz | stew-- I do recall gnome-volume-manager being among some recent upgrades. |
| 21:29.14 | apfel | themp-afk: it only doesn't work correctly if I export LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8. Otherwise it works perfectly well |
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| 21:29.23 | deadcat | dbe: http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major |
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| 21:29.36 | deadcat | dbe: i seems only debian is gnu/linux |
| 21:29.37 | Sonny | Hello, do you know how can I change the font's size of some apps??? like Thunderbird, aMule, they look bigger than another apps |
| 21:29.58 | beered | what the name of image sniffer that picks up images on a LAN? it works in a terminal. |
| 21:30.21 | stew | harfooz: what version does "apt-cache policy gnome-volume-manager" list for Installed:? same for udev. |
| 21:30.25 | streuner | "image sniffer"? |
| 21:30.29 | beered | streuner: yes |
| 21:30.36 | deadcat | S4nD3r: my cdrom drives just reminded me to go to school. (= i use at 1:30pm, eject cdrom hahahhaah |
| 21:30.37 | beered | streuner: it sniffs images (as in pictures) |
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| 21:31.03 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 21:31.10 | harfooz | Installed: 0.084-3 (udev) 1.5.0-4 (gnome-vol-man) |
| 21:31.10 | dbe | deadcat, umh? should not all distro be named GNU/Linux? That is what RMS claims and I totally agree with him |
| 21:31.34 | dbe | deadcat, or does GNU simply not exist in all distros, just a few of them? |
| 21:31.35 | streuner | locate p0rn? |
| 21:31.55 | harfooz | stew: it sounds like I upgraded something that I should not have? |
| 21:31.56 | themp-afk | apfel you need to set the locale some other way did you edit your xconfig by hand ? |
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| 21:32.04 | deadcat | dbe: no. some distro have non-free craps. |
| 21:32.23 | dbe | deadcat, that should not be allowed IMO =) |
| 21:32.43 | themp-afk | apfel thingfish will know I had the same issue last night |
| 21:32.43 | deadcat | dbe: well thats not possible. there are some useful non-free craps (= |
| 21:32.48 | deadcat | school time damn you all |
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| 21:33.01 | themp-afk | apfel thingfish but i fixed in an un orthadox way |
| 21:33.01 | dbe | deadcat, yeah, but they are not free as in freedom =) |
| 21:33.25 | abrotman | deadcat: that doesn't matter |
| 21:33.26 | themp-afk | anyways i essentially reinstalled locale tools |
| 21:33.36 | themp-afk | have tpo get back to porting |
| 21:33.36 | abrotman | deadcat: his argument is that they use tons of GNU tools |
| 21:33.38 | harfooz | stew, is there a fix for what I've done? |
| 21:33.50 | fhffhqvb | !fix harfooz |
| 21:33.51 | abrotman | deadcat: and a Linux kernel .. and should therefore be called GNU/Linux distributions |
| 21:34.09 | harfooz | fhffhqvb, heh :) |
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| 21:35.14 | thingfish | sorry, themp-afk, I have no recollection of what went on in here last night. I think I dropped out around 19:00. |
| 21:35.30 | abrotman | drunk! |
| 21:35.36 | pinks | S4nD3r: nessus is not free :-( |
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| 21:35.55 | thingfish | hehe abrotman, no, not really. |
| 21:35.56 | cisse | in the same spirit, why not call it Debian/GNU/Linux/C because most of it's written in C... |
| 21:36.08 | abrotman | cisse: GCC is a GNU tool :) |
| 21:36.19 | cisse | that's simply the compiler |
| 21:36.26 | cisse | gnu doesn't have rights to the C language unless i'm mistaken |
| 21:36.28 | abrotman | cisse: and noone wants to call it Microsoft Windows XP/C |
| 21:36.42 | cisse | just pointing out i think stallmans arguement is stupid |
| 21:36.42 | abrotman | cisse: they don't .. but many parts are also C++ .. and perl .. and python |
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| 21:36.46 | pinks | Anyone know of a free IP ping monitor that does graphic reports and email alerts? |
| 21:36.46 | stew | harfooz: i'm not sure what is wrong. however a 2.6.13 kerenl or better is recommended for udev these days. You could try upgrading to a current linux-image. you also might try refreshing your udev rules, /msg dpkg fresh udev rules |
| 21:36.53 | dbe | "Debian uses the Linux kernel (the core of an operating system), but most of the basic OS tools come from the GNU project; hence the name GNU/Linux." deadcat. My guess is that most of the basic OS tools in other OS'es doesn't come from the GNU project then |
| 21:36.58 | cisse | pinks: nagios |
| 21:37.04 | cisse | pinks: monit |
| 21:37.05 | abrotman | dbe: Debian actually has many kernels to choose from |
| 21:37.11 | cisse | pinks: search around on debian-administration.org |
| 21:37.22 | pinks | cisse: cheers -- looking ........ |
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| 21:37.41 | stew | !fresh udev rules is <reply> see fresh udev config |
| 21:37.41 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 21:37.55 | dbe | abrotman, do you mean the linux-image's from apt? |
| 21:38.07 | abrotman | dbe: no .. i mean Hurd/BSD among others |
| 21:38.19 | tr1gg3r | abrotman, are there others besides linux and hurd? |
| 21:38.20 | abrotman | dbe: http://www.us.debian.org/ports/index.en-gb.html#nonlinux |
| 21:38.22 | dbe | abrotman, yes thats true |
| 21:38.37 | abrotman | there is talk of an OpenSOlaris port .. though it may have been squashed |
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| 21:40.19 | dbe | abrotman, Open Solaris is proprietary or what? |
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| 21:40.59 | abrotman | dbe: the license is goofy iirc ... |
| 21:41.16 | dbe | abrotman, I'll look it up =), brb |
| 21:41.29 | abrotman | dbe: there's a whole website about it |
| 21:41.42 | dbe | abrotman, I know |
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| 21:43.50 | SerajewelKS | i just installed debian on a box with an intel graphics controller, and when i switch to a console VT and switch back to X, X crashes and then when the display manager starts again it promptly crashes again. |
| 21:43.50 | dbe | abrotman, OpenSolaris is licensed under Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL) |
| 21:43.55 | stew | dbe: the opensolaris license has a choice of venue clause, which makes it non-free as far as dfsg is concercned |
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| 21:44.05 | SerajewelKS | the card's pciid is 8086:2562 |
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| 21:44.56 | harfooz | stew, does udev require a reboot after installation/ |
| 21:44.56 | abrotman | dbe: yeah .. CDDL .. ick |
| 21:45.06 | stew | harfooz: no |
| 21:45.18 | abrotman | dbe: http://www.gnusolaris.org/gswiki |
| 21:45.24 | dbe | abrotman, true, it should aim at GPL |
| 21:45.40 | abrotman | dbe: whine to sun |
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| 21:45.58 | x29a | hey there guys, im trying to de-brick my pda, therefore i need minicom, which again needs the lrzsz package....i apt-got the newest lrzsz but it wont place the binaries e.g. in /usr/local/bin...reboot necessary?any hints? |
| 21:46.30 | adamt | so. i'm using vsftpd and want to chroot my users, works fine.. but now i want to give them access to a folder outside the chroot - how do i do that? |
| 21:46.38 | \amethyst | x29a: why do you need them in /usr/local/ ? |
| 21:46.47 | lazzarello | x29a, minicom should install without errors. I use it on sarge often. |
| 21:47.24 | x29a | \amethyst: that instruction im reading said it should be there, anyways i cant find it anywhere (using find / -name lbr for example) |
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| 21:47.45 | x29a | lazzarello: minicom runs just fine, but i think i need the x/y/z-modem drivers for this special issue |
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| 21:49.55 | liran_ | i've seen so many forums with threads on problems with acpi... |
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| 21:50.01 | Loof | How do I upgrade the postgresql debian package to 8.1.x without causing everything that depended on postgresql-client to want to uninstall |
| 21:50.04 | liran_ | why is this issue so problematic? |
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| 21:50.29 | \amethyst | x29a: if you installed the package, dpkg -L lrzsz should lit the files in the package |
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| 21:50.47 | Seb | liran_: what issue is that ? |
| 21:50.51 | dbe | abrotman, thank you for the URL, really |
| 21:50.56 | \amethyst | x29a: packages don't put things in /usr/local, that's for programs the sysadmin is installing by hand |
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| 21:51.24 | Seb | dpkg, you arsonist |
| 21:51.24 | x29a | \amethyst: hmm, but why cant i locate the binaries anywhere else? |
| 21:51.25 | seb- | what packages got "hwdetect" and "discover" to help out udev? |
| 21:51.36 | Seb | seb-: apt-cache search discover |
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| 21:51.39 | \amethyst | x29a: does dpkg -L lrzsz list any binaries? |
| 21:51.55 | seb- | Seb: the dash makes all the difference! :) |
| 21:52.02 | \amethyst | x29a: it should install /usr/bin/{r,s}{z,b,x} |
| 21:52.05 | Seb | you bet it does |
| 21:52.20 | jcurry | i have firefox version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.1-2 installed, and my fonts are not antia-aliased, and often disappear, get corrupted, or flicker...what could be wrong? is anyone else seeing this? |
| 21:52.25 | \amethyst | x29a: for receive/send zmodem, ymodem, and xmodem, respectively |
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| 21:52.38 | Seb | jcurry: checked the bts ? |
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| 21:52.52 | x29a | \amethyst: indeed, they are there,,,,but how do i set up minicom?just change the respective path in its options? |
| 21:52.57 | jcurry | Seb, i looked, but i couldn't find anythign definitive |
| 21:53.12 | jcurry | Seb, people had crashes due to fonts, etc, but nothing like my problem |
| 21:53.15 | \amethyst | x29a: If you're installing minicom using apt, it should just work |
| 21:53.19 | Seb | jcurry: is it only with firefox ? |
| 21:53.29 | seb- | Seb: what is diff between discover and discover1? |
| 21:53.34 | astronut | !ops deLta is a spam bot |
| 21:53.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: deLta is a spam bot |
| 21:53.39 | Seb | seb-: id' say one version |
| 21:53.43 | jcurry | Seb, that is the only app i noticed it with, but i run a primarily kde desktop |
| 21:53.52 | x29a | \amethyst: hmm, it "works" but i cant get it connected...is there a "connect" tag or do i have to dial or is it listening already? |
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| 21:53.56 | roler | when running apt-get dist-upgrade I get a message that 4 packages 'have been kept back' |
| 21:53.57 | roler | what gives? |
| 21:54.04 | Seb | jcurry: well, check a few other apps, and then file a bug on firefox if you still see that |
| 21:54.13 | Seb | roler: you run sid ? |
| 21:54.20 | azeem | astronut: please take this to freenode staff, we cannot do much which is effective about spam bots |
| 21:54.36 | roler | Seb; testing (not sure if thats sid) |
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| 21:54.41 | \amethyst | x29a: Can't get what connected to what? The PDA to a phone, or the PDA to a computer through a serial cable, ...? |
| 21:54.46 | astronut | azeem: i intend to, however no one is in /stats p and i didn't get autovoice when they moved from #freenode -> ##bookmark |
| 21:54.54 | Seb | roler: you should only run dist-upgrade when upagrding from one dist to another iirc |
| 21:54.55 | jcurry | Seb, mmkay, thanks |
| 21:55.13 | astronut | azeem: however, since he PM's when you join debian, they can at least kickban him and thus people won't get hit by him |
| 21:55.18 | x29a | \amethyst: pda -> computer thru serial on com1 |
| 21:55.26 | Seb | roler: anyway, packages can be kept back for several reasons, most likely brokeness |
| 21:55.33 | roler | Seb; oh... I've always used dist-upgrade... well upgrade says the same message :) |
| 21:55.36 | roler | Seb; oh okay... |
| 21:55.37 | jcurry | Seb, aha! no such problem in gimp, or sodipodi, so it is firefox |
| 21:55.46 | Seb | roler: you can apt-get install thisPackage to force the upgrade |
| 21:55.47 | azeem | astronut: well, then set your account to not allow privmesgs from unregistered users |
| 21:55.56 | azeem | astronut: the !ops command should not be used for this |
| 21:56.02 | Seb | roler: but before you do that, make sure you check the BTS |
| 21:56.09 | jcurry | Seb, and anyway, the font in the interface is fine, only webpage fonts are weird |
| 21:56.16 | \amethyst | x29a: if the other computer running mgetty or something? |
| 21:56.21 | Seb | jcurry: maybe fiddle a bit with your firefox preferences then |
| 21:56.25 | roler | Seb; thanks :) |
| 21:56.28 | Seb | jcurry: like change the font or something |
| 21:56.33 | astronut | azeem: a lot of people, esp dd's for some reason refuse to register (dillinger for example, who has sense moved to oftc), hence I don't want to block them |
| 21:56.38 | Seb | jcurry: even better, mv .firefox .firefox.bak and see |
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| 21:57.04 | Seb | astronut: *since* |
| 21:57.12 | Seb | yup, spelling police :> |
| 21:57.13 | azeem | astronut: then tell them to /join a private chan |
| 21:57.13 | astronut | oops |
| 21:57.14 | astronut | sorry |
| 21:57.15 | x29a | \amethyst: the pda u mean?its "bricked" so i cant see anything, im trying to find out whether it wants to talk to me |
| 21:57.19 | Seb | astronut: ;) |
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| 21:57.24 | TonyStark | hola a todos |
| 21:57.30 | TonyStark | tengo un problema con la tarjeta agp |
| 21:57.33 | azeem | astronut: you don't *have* to register, you just should whine about spam bots in here if you do |
| 21:57.33 | TonyStark | es au radeon 7200 |
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| 21:57.40 | TonyStark | y cargo el driver dri (el radeon) en el kernel |
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| 21:57.43 | azeem | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 21:57.44 | \amethyst | x29a: so you're running minicom on your desktop trying to connect to your PDA? |
| 21:57.47 | jcurry | Seb, i played with the prefs, i'll try moving the dir |
| 21:57.52 | TonyStark | pero no se pone en modo agp porque el agpgart No se carga antes |
| 21:57.54 | Seb | TonyStark: #debian-es |
| 21:57.59 | Nwallins | azeem: what's wrong with kickbanning? |
| 21:58.05 | astronut | azeem: anyway, gravity has asked to use !ops for that |
| 21:58.15 | TonyStark | en /etc/modprobe.d he puesto un fichero del tipo radeon -> preinstall radeon insmod agpgart, pero no me vale de nada |
| 21:58.19 | azeem | astronut: ok then |
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| 21:58.24 | TonyStark | las x.org em dicen qeu me asegure que agpgart se carga antes |
| 21:58.24 | Ungy | !es TonyStark |
| 21:58.29 | Seb | TonyStark: dude, /join #debian-es |
| 21:58.34 | TonyStark | como lo orgh |
| 21:58.36 | TonyStark | i'm sorry |
| 21:58.39 | TonyStark | i'm sorry |
| 21:58.52 | TonyStark | i was writing without looking at the monitor |
| 21:58.58 | TonyStark | i beg your pardon |
| 21:59.04 | TonyStark | O :o) |
| 21:59.04 | azeem | TonyStark: no problem |
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| 21:59.23 | x29a | \amethyst: true# |
| 21:59.26 | amee2k | why does mysql say it'll only install when i have a resolvable hostname but then install anyway? |
| 21:59.37 | \amethyst | x29a: is the PDA running anything that would let it talk over the serial port? |
| 21:59.54 | x29a | \amethyst: yeah a linux bootldr |
| 22:00.02 | x29a | \amethyst: hopefully |
| 22:00.05 | Ungy | amee2k, you shoudl have a resolvable hostname since that is what it uses for security |
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| 22:00.20 | naetrick | Hey guys, when trying to modprobe something, I get an "Invalid module format" |
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| 22:00.25 | cisse | hrmmmm is it possible to use bonding and still have a machine get its ip through dhcp |
| 22:00.28 | naetrick | And dmesg gives me: "go7007_usb: version magic '2.6.15-ck4 SMP preempt 386 4KSTACKS gcc-3.4' should be '2.6.15-ck4 SMP 386 4KSTACKS gcc-3.4' |
| 22:00.35 | naetrick | Notice no "preempt" in the "should be" string. What does this mean... how should I fix it? |
| 22:00.41 | Seb | amee2k: cuz it's crap, but shhh :> |
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| 22:00.55 | \amethyst | x29a: Assuming the comm settings are correct, you should get a message from it as soon as you start up minicom |
| 22:01.14 | mentor | Onjoin spam? |
| 22:01.22 | \amethyst | x29a: you might want to check and make sure it's not trying to send modem commands to the pda |
| 22:01.26 | hugh___ | how do i set a different graphics card/resolution/bit depth? |
| 22:01.27 | Seb | Ungy: oh you wish |
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| 22:01.35 | x29a | \amethyst: how so? |
| 22:01.48 | seb- | what packages have hwdetect? |
| 22:01.55 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
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| 22:02.02 | mentor | delta |
| 22:02.06 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@88.240.45.186] by mentor |
| 22:02.06 | *** kick/#debian [deLta!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (mentor) |
| 22:02.10 | amee2k | is it a problem to put a line in /etc/hosts that says "127.0.0.1 <my_hostname>" ? |
| 22:02.10 | \amethyst | x29a: C-a o, then select modem and dialing |
| 22:02.14 | Ungy | Seb, Jimmy the Superfly Snuka was my hero as a kid unfortunatly I am much bigger then he was in his prime but I can still get up there ;-) |
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| 22:02.25 | x29a | \amethyst: k |
| 22:02.31 | Seb | Ungy: heheheh |
| 22:02.47 | \amethyst | x29a: And to change the comm settings, C-a p |
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| 22:03.01 | benjamindees | naetrick, CONFIG_PREEMPT=y in kernel config |
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| 22:03.15 | Ungy | amee2k, you mean like localhost? |
| 22:03.18 | x29a | \amethyst: what to change in the dialing section to prevent from sending modemstuff? |
| 22:03.19 | bliss | hello all |
| 22:03.30 | x29a | \amethyst: im sorry, firsttime minicom for me |
| 22:03.34 | \amethyst | x29a: the init string |
| 22:03.36 | amee2k | Ungy: yes. |
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| 22:03.41 | naetrick | benjamindees: It's already set |
| 22:03.42 | benjamindees | naetrick, change it to n to disable |
| 22:03.46 | Ungy | amee2k, I think that might be ok |
| 22:03.50 | naetrick | Ahh. Why? |
| 22:03.57 | amee2k | to make my hostnamed resolvable no matter what ip(s) i have |
| 22:03.57 | naetrick | Is it that the driver doesn't like it? |
| 22:03.59 | x29a | \amethyst: delete it? |
| 22:04.03 | \amethyst | x29a: yes |
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| 22:04.09 | \amethyst | x29a: those are modem commands |
| 22:04.12 | teknobrain | is it possible to remove the local root on a machine so that it automatically logs as the root of the server it's connected to ? |
| 22:04.14 | hugh___ | I know my question is lame, but, could someone answer it? 640x480x16 colors is KILLING me. |
| 22:04.16 | stew | naetrick: what gcc version is listed when you "cat /proc/version"? |
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| 22:04.36 | stew | teknobrain: say what? |
| 22:04.38 | naetrick | 3.4.5 20050809 (prerelease) |
| 22:04.55 | benjamindees | naetrick, probably, the driver is compiled for the wrong kernel |
| 22:05.08 | benjamindees | naetrick, it's like using a windows 98 driver in windows 95 |
| 22:05.09 | Ungy | amee2k, yes but if the DNS records do nto match you might ahve other problems you wont; see from that server |
| 22:05.13 | teknobrain | stew : in a network, every machine has a local root account, and there's like a super-root on the server |
| 22:05.17 | x29a | \amethyst: /dev/ttyS1 is that correct for com1? |
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| 22:05.24 | \amethyst | x29a: ttyS0 |
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| 22:05.36 | stew | teknobrain: the first part is correct. but i don't know about any "super-root" |
| 22:05.47 | naetrick | benjamindees: Ok, thanks |
| 22:05.54 | naetrick | Are there any speed benefits to preempt |
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| 22:06.35 | Nwallins | hugh___: you may be limited by the default driver. what video driver are you using? |
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| 22:06.37 | teknobrain | stew : is i'm using NIS, and i do "su root", which root is it gonna be ? |
| 22:06.44 | stew | naetrick: usually invalid module format means that the module was compiled with a different compile than the kernel. is that compiler (3.4.5 20050809) installed on your machine? did you compile the modules? the kerenl? |
| 22:06.49 | x29a | \amethyst: hmm, bummer, stays offline |
| 22:07.21 | stew | teknobrain: sorry, i'm not good with nis. but i'd be very suprised if that was not the local root |
| 22:07.24 | amee2k | teknobrain: root always has uid 0 so all roots should be the same |
| 22:07.26 | Nwallins | teknobrain: i have heard that `su - $user` is preferable to `su user` due to environment vars or profiles or something |
| 22:07.30 | benjamindees | naetrick, technically it makes things slower, but it appears to be faster |
| 22:07.41 | hugh___ | nwallins: Currently none, due to the fact that when I installed I didn't know what driver the board had integrated on it. |
| 22:07.42 | marsje | I f*cked up reinstalling bitlbee. Now when I do apt-get install bitlbee I get: "BitlBee (probably) already installed, skipping user/configdir installation" |
| 22:07.57 | \amethyst | x29a: :( |
| 22:08.08 | x29a | \amethyst: hmm, that sux |
| 22:08.10 | bliss | I can telnet and conect from my computer to ssh port 22 and ssh my own ip but when I try from outside I cannot connect |
| 22:08.12 | Nwallins | hugh___: i believe that, until you update the driver, you are stuck. i have been in your position, and updating the driver enabled higher res |
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| 22:08.21 | x29a | \amethyst: thank u VERY much for your time and help tho |
| 22:08.27 | teknobrain | amee2k: with NIS, when i do "su user" it finds it wherver it is. but the problem with root is that there are many, and not the same |
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| 22:08.37 | x29a | i think i have a new decorative item |
| 22:08.42 | hugh___ | I don't nkow how to, this is my first real day in debian, and I still don't know what driver to use. |
| 22:08.42 | TonyStark | i'm having trouble bringing up my graphic card into agp mode (it is a radeon 7000), becuase it charges first the radeon module, instead of the agpgart module (for dri infrastructure).. i have done an script at /etc/modprobe.d/radeon, whic is "preinstall radeon insmod agpgart", but the radeon module keeps pon loading before the agpgart... what's wrong? |
| 22:08.49 | teknobrain | Nwallins i know :) |
| 22:09.05 | Nwallins | teknobrain: i usually do `su -` |
| 22:09.12 | \amethyst | teknobrain: you're using NFS? |
| 22:09.25 | teknobrain | \amethyst : both NIS and NFS |
| 22:09.33 | amee2k | teknobrain: but users are always identified by their uid or name so it shouldn't really matter what root it is. |
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| 22:10.15 | naetrick | stew: Yes, I ran "make;make install" for the kernels, with that gcc version, and compiled the kernel with that version also |
| 22:10.36 | amee2k | iirc nis copies the configuration files to each host, so you should be logged in on localhost as the local root account |
| 22:11.54 | teknobrain | amee2k: i think nis and nfs hide all the local root accounts |
| 22:12.28 | illsci | it depends on how you configure it |
| 22:12.47 | illsci | the nis user maps dont have to have the root users |
| 22:12.49 | amee2k | teknobrain: nis and nfs are different |
| 22:12.59 | illsci | but they can |
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| 22:13.20 | benjamindees | you'd have to be braindead to allow remote root via nfs |
| 22:13.30 | teknobrain | illsci: if you put root on them, then the local root is like hidden then |
| 22:13.33 | illsci | i love going to new networks where they use nis and ypcat shadow > /mnt/usb/hohoho |
| 22:13.34 | \amethyst | teknobrain: are you using root_squash? |
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| 22:13.51 | teknobrain | \amethyst: i'm not the admin, i dunno |
| 22:14.08 | \amethyst | teknobrain: check /etc/exports |
| 22:14.26 | hugh___ | nwallins do you have any sort of solution for me? |
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| 22:14.35 | \amethyst | teknobrain: root_squash is the default, and it means that local root *doesn't* have root permission on the exports |
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| 22:14.57 | \amethyst | teknobrain: so, when accessing things over NFS, root gets mapped to the anon user |
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| 22:15.32 | mikeo1 | hi... just installed the debian amd64 binary, and having problems getting the network to work |
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| 22:15.44 | teknobrain | in simple terms, it means that root is local, right ? |
| 22:15.53 | \amethyst | teknobrain: yes, unless no_root_squash is turned on |
| 22:16.04 | mikeo1 | i tried running the network configuration tool that was installed, but it crashes everytime |
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| 22:16.30 | mikeo1 | i also tried to edit the /etc/network/interfaces file.. but didnt know what to change |
| 22:16.31 | \amethyst | teknobrain: on the file server, that is |
| 22:16.37 | abrotman | !tell mikeo1 about interfaces |
| 22:16.59 | teknobrain | ok thanks |
| 22:17.13 | abrotman | mikeo1: to do what? |
| 22:17.22 | mikeo1 | to get it to connect |
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| 22:17.41 | mikeo1 | it has no ip config or anything |
| 22:17.42 | abrotman | mikeo1: how .. dhcp .. static what? |
| 22:17.42 | mikeo1 | its just blank |
| 22:17.48 | abrotman | etherconf ? |
| 22:17.52 | mikeo1 | im on a schools network |
| 22:17.55 | abrotman | so dhcp ? |
| 22:17.57 | mikeo1 | yeah |
| 22:18.04 | abrotman | auto lo |
| 22:18.07 | abrotman | auto eth0 |
| 22:18.13 | abrotman | inet eth0 dhcp |
| 22:18.35 | teknobrain | \amethyst: does root_squash keep root as local for both NIS and NFS ? |
| 22:18.37 | abrotman | whoops .. missed |
| 22:18.38 | mikeo1 | so thats it? |
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| 22:18.44 | \amethyst | teknobrain: I know nothing about NIS |
| 22:18.46 | \amethyst | teknobrain: only NFS |
| 22:18.46 | abrotman | mikeo1: i screwed that up :) |
| 22:18.55 | abrotman | mikeo1: /j #flood |
| 22:18.55 | mikeo1 | heh |
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| 22:19.29 | FreeOne3000 | There's a problem installing knetworkconf from testing/main (+contrib +non-free) |
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| 22:19.41 | teknobrain | what's the best linus distro ? |
| 22:19.46 | Rawplayer | FA |
| 22:19.47 | FreeOne3000 | Define "best". |
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| 22:20.01 | hugh___ | where do I can switch what video card I'm using, I don't know where anything is. |
| 22:20.21 | mikeo1 | anyone here have xgl running on debian? |
| 22:20.26 | teknobrain | FreeOne3000 : just trolling :) |
| 22:20.28 | FreeOne3000 | hugh___: It's in /etc/X11/something or other, with XFree it's XFree86. |
| 22:20.49 | bingo | mikeo1, I'm trying to do that but... |
| 22:20.54 | hugh___ | ok, I figured that much, but, which one should I use as a 'generic' that supports 1024x768@16M colors? |
| 22:21.00 | FreeOne3000 | mikeo1: I have glx running... or would, except I can't get anything running or install anything beacuse one of hte packages broke. |
| 22:21.03 | mikeo1 | thats what i want to do once i get the network running |
| 22:21.11 | mikeo1 | cool |
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| 22:21.16 | hugh___ | 640x480@16c is killing me. |
| 22:21.17 | mikeo1 | cause its pimp from the videos |
| 22:21.20 | FreeOne3000 | hugh___: That's Display, not Card, btw. |
| 22:21.34 | mikeo1 | anyway time to try the new network config.... |
| 22:21.39 | FreeOne3000 | mikeo1: Yeah, look at the pretty spinny gears. |
| 22:21.49 | hugh___ | say it would be "Screen" right? |
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| 22:22.01 | hugh___ | er, it should say. |
| 22:22.21 | hugh___ | and 'Device' is what I should change, correct? |
| 22:22.44 | FreeOne3000 | Yeah, screen. |
| 22:23.01 | FreeOne3000 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 / dpkg-reconfigure xserver-(whateverelse) |
| 22:23.05 | hugh___ | thanks |
| 22:23.06 | FreeOne3000 | That'll give you a nice ncurses thingy. |
| 22:23.09 | r3c4ll | Hi i have a problem with OpenVPN because generating the client .crt (PKI) the .crt file has 0 bytes and the openvpn daemon says "I cant open this shit" |
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| 22:23.20 | hugh___ | that's what I was hoping for, thanks FreeOne3000. |
| 22:23.25 | r3c4ll | Somebody can helpme |
| 22:23.27 | r3c4ll | pleaseeeeeee |
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| 22:23.29 | r3c4ll | :D |
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| 22:23.49 | RobotRobot | that was weird |
| 22:24.07 | FreeOne3000 | [16:22] FreeOne3000: There's a problem installing knetworkconf from testing/main (+contrib +non-free). Is there a way to get past it, so I can install other things and hopefully get X working again? |
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| 22:24.35 | pm_ | how can i sync the time of my machine? |
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| 22:25.05 | hugh___ | say Ok, qusetion 2: Anyone know what the 'integrated video card' is on a Asus P4S8X-MX motherboard? |
| 22:25.10 | hugh___ | whee, -say. |
| 22:25.37 | pm_ | or better, how can i change the locale of my machine? |
| 22:25.45 | hugh___ | I've been checking for a day and I can't find it. |
| 22:25.58 | r3c4ll | Hi i have a problem with OpenVPN because generating the client .crt (PKI) the .crt file has 0 bytes and the openvpn daemon says "I cant open this shit" somebody can help me? somebody has configured a PKI? |
| 22:26.27 | abrotman | FreeOne3000: ask #debian-kde |
| 22:26.35 | abrotman | FreeOne3000: but you don't need that for X |
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| 22:26.43 | FreeOne3000 | I need to get past it to install programs. |
| 22:26.54 | FreeOne3000 | apt-get isn't proceeding past the borked package. |
| 22:26.58 | abrotman | FreeOne3000: apt-get install x-window-system-core kdm kdebase |
| 22:27.05 | abrotman | oh .. that's different |
| 22:27.14 | abrotman | what's problem then? |
| 22:27.20 | poli | Anyone know of a sarge backport of tor? |
| 22:27.24 | abrotman | you need to show us error messages |
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| 22:27.43 | abrotman | poli: backports.org? apt-get.org? .. |
| 22:27.47 | Caldrin | Hi! I got a problem with sylpheed-claws-gtk2 and IMAPS-support, which is not working. The bugdatabase says, it's a known bug and downgrading will help, but dpkg here tells me, downgrade is not supported. Which one is right? Do I have to do a complete reinstall to get my debian working again? |
| 22:28.05 | abrotman | !depends tor etch |
| 22:28.10 | poli | abrotman: apt-get.org do not, let me try backports.org |
| 22:28.11 | FreeOne3000 | apt-get install <blah> yeilds: The following packages have unfufilled requirements: <whole long list> try apt-get -f install. I go apt-get -f install, it already has the packages, I even removed the borked one by hand to try to get it to work, and it just stops at that one after the download. |
| 22:28.29 | abrotman | what does apt-get -f install say? |
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| 22:28.57 | Nwallins | i give up |
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| 22:29.09 | pm_ | how can i change the locale of my machine? |
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| 22:29.28 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:29.28 | poli | abrotman: backports.org is a negative, too. :( |
| 22:29.28 | FreeOne3000 | Something about a conflict with gnome-system-tools. |
| 22:29.41 | abrotman | so uninstall gnome-system-tools |
| 22:29.47 | FreeOne3000 | Course, can't uninstall gnome-system-tools, cuz it won't let me until it updates knetworkconf... |
| 22:29.58 | abrotman | poli: looking |
| 22:30.02 | dpkg | tor: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libevent1 (>= 1.1a), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8a-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), adduser, tsocks |
| 22:30.18 | afinley | Hi I just put sarge on a machine, Im trying to mount my external usb device, Im used to seeing sda stuff in dev but nothing is there. How do I mount this external use harddrive? |
| 22:30.29 | abrotman | poli: /msg dpkg simple sid backport .. you're going to have to get the source package and build it that way i guess |
| 22:30.59 | abrotman | poli: also .. heed the packagers warning .. last i knew it still said it wasn't really anonymous |
| 22:31.19 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 22:31.19 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 22:31.36 | pm_ | !locale |
| 22:31.36 | dpkg | well, locale is something to help you using an application you don't understand because it's written in a language you don't know, by making you not understand it in a language you know. <man 7 locale> for real information. |
| 22:31.38 | afinley | dpkg thanks Ill give it a try |
| 22:31.38 | dpkg | afinley: de nada |
| 22:31.40 | poli | abrotman: thank you. |
| 22:31.48 | abrotman | poli: make sense ? |
| 22:32.13 | poli | abrotman: the sid backport yes. I will do some reaseach on the not so anynimous thing. :) |
| 22:32.22 | abrotman | poli: you may also want to laern about pinning |
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| 22:32.25 | abrotman | !tell poli about pinning |
| 22:32.43 | abrotman | poli: in general though .. mixing binary packages from two versions of debian is not a good idea |
| 22:32.55 | r3c4ll | Hi i have a problem with OpenVPN because generating the client .crt (PKI) the .crt file has 0 bytes and the openvpn daemon says "I cant open this shit" somebody can help me? somebody has configured a PKI? |
| 22:33.02 | abrotman | poli: but in this case .. you'r eusing a deb-src line .. not a binary line |
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| 22:33.36 | poli | abrotman: I know... I have all of them in apt.sources but apt.conf chooses only Sarge when it's available. The Sid port of tor needs sid libc... :( |
| 22:33.39 | hugh___ | nevermind!! |
| 22:33.44 | hugh___ | I figured it out myself. >.< |
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| 22:33.53 | abrotman | poli: it shouldn't if you build from source .. |
| 22:33.58 | abrotman | or a package source anyways |
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| 22:34.08 | poli | abrotman: Yes, I understand the concept. With all patches applied but using Sarge's libs. Thank you. :) |
| 22:34.17 | abrotman | ok |
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| 22:34.22 | afinley | dpkg are those kernal modules, you are talking about? |
| 22:34.37 | abrotman | afinley: for what? |
| 22:34.42 | abrotman | dpkg: bark |
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| 22:34.50 | abrotman | afinley: yes .. kernel modules |
| 22:35.01 | afinley | thanks |
| 22:35.34 | mutante | * */6 * * * backup.sh |
| 22:35.44 | mutante | does this look like an "every 6 hour" crontab? |
| 22:35.45 | reind | tar -czvf test.tar.gz /home/reind -X backup.exclude with /home/reind in the backup.exclude file doesn't work. it still backs up /home/reind. Anyone know what could be going wrong? |
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| 22:36.20 | poli | mutante: as a matter of fact it does... I would just specify the script full path |
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| 22:36.57 | Seb | hi fellows |
| 22:37.05 | Seb | just upgraded to latest 2.6.15-1-686 |
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| 22:37.15 | Seb | also installed libc6-686 |
| 22:37.22 | Seb | now every single binary, or almost segaults |
| 22:37.24 | Seb | including apt-get |
| 22:37.26 | mutante | poli: thanks ,i wasnt sure because i read that lists are only supported by "Vixie Cron" and the / is supported by regular "cron" or something, and i wasnt even sure which one this is on my debian box |
| 22:37.47 | abrotman | mutante: that won't work |
| 22:38.00 | abrotman | mutante: wait .. nevermind .. ignore me |
| 22:38.01 | poli | mutante: the default cron you have installed will acept that, but you will need to specify a minute not as * |
| 22:38.16 | abrotman | mutante: run-parts doesn't work with filenames that have .s .. but you're fine |
| 22:38.33 | reind | Is there a bug with tar and du, etc? This works on 1 box but not on another: tar -czvf t.tar.gz /home/reind/ --exclude="/home/reind" |
| 22:38.52 | poli | mutante: I guess... Otherwise cron will chose the precise time, probably the beginning of the hour. Can't really say. |
| 22:39.03 | reind | ... by it works i mean it works as it should - it doesnt backup /home/reind/ |
| 22:39.08 | abrotman | or try to run it for every minute of that hour |
| 22:39.24 | r3c4ll | Hi i have a problem with OpenVPN because generating the client .crt (PKI) the .crt file has 0 bytes and the openvpn daemon says "I cant open this shit" somebody can help me? somebody has configured a PKI? exu¡cuse by bad english |
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| 22:41.28 | mikeo1 | more network errors... |
| 22:41.33 | mattt | hey guys, i've installed debian sarge on sparc which defaulted with python2.3 |
| 22:41.48 | mikeo1 | getting "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 |
| 22:41.59 | mattt | i've since installed python2.4 but /usr/bin/python still points to /usr/bin/python2.3 .... is there a 'clean' way to tell the system which version to use? |
| 22:42.04 | mikeo1 | eth1: unknown hardware address 24 |
| 22:42.19 | mikeo1 | and "No DHCPOFFERS recieved" |
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| 22:42.32 | stew | mattt: change the shebang in the python script you are running, you don't want to alter that symlink |
| 22:42.38 | mikeo1 | then "No working leases in persistent databace, exiting... |
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| 22:43.41 | coolpix | gn8 |
| 22:43.49 | mattt | stew cool, thanks |
| 22:44.03 | mutante | poli / abrotman : "00 */6 * * * /root/update_all.sh" added minute as 00, added full path, thats my real scriptname, any problems left? i didnt quite get the " filenames that have .s" part |
| 22:44.35 | abrotman | mutante: /root/ isn't the best place .. but hey .. whatever |
| 22:44.56 | mutante | abrotman: heh, i just moved it there cause i thought /var/www/ wasnt the best place gg |
| 22:44.57 | poli | mutante: should work, yes. I have had some bad experiences with scripts and cron, but should be okay. :) |
| 22:45.08 | TonyStark | i'm having trouble bringing up my graphic card into agp mode (it is a radeon 7000), becuase it charges first the radeon module, instead of the agpgart module (for dri infrastructure).. i have done an script at /etc/modprobe.d/radeon, whic is "preinstall radeon insmod agpgart", but the radeon module keeps pon loading before the agpgart... what's wrong? |
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| 22:45.30 | mattt | stew: know if it's possible to remove python2.3? |
| 22:45.39 | mutante | thanks guys |
| 22:45.55 | abrotman | mutante: /usr/local/sbin/ ? |
| 22:45.55 | marcela | how do you prevent custom-built packages from being "upgraded" to official packages during a system upgrade? |
| 22:46.09 | mutante | abrotman: ok, will do |
| 22:46.24 | poli | marcela: in aptitude, type ? and take a look at the hold commands. |
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| 22:46.46 | mattt | stew: i ask because i've installed modules for python2.3 and now i'm not sure how to install them for python2.4 |
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| 22:47.26 | abrotman | mutante: run-parts .. which is responsible for cron.daily etc .. can't handle filenames that have spaces .. it shouldn't affect you |
| 22:48.01 | mutante | thanks again |
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| 22:49.22 | kimo | I have 7 years linux experience, am RHCE, getting new laptop tomorrow :) Please advice, should I go ubuntu or debian beside RH? How should I make my choice. |
| 22:49.34 | azeem | kimo: try both |
| 22:49.35 | jon_k | anyone here got a working modem in linux? |
| 22:49.40 | azeem | keep what suits you better |
| 22:49.41 | TonyStark | kimo, debian |
| 22:49.54 | mikeo1 | hmmm if this network doesnt work tempted just to install suse 10, the live cd detected all my hardware (including installing the nvidia drivers) |
| 22:49.56 | SerajewelKS | !anyone use a modem |
| 22:49.56 | dpkg | No, no one uses a modem, not even the people who use it. |
| 22:49.56 | kimo | TonyStark, please convince me |
| 22:50.00 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 22:50.00 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 22:50.08 | thingfish | how arrogant. |
| 22:50.18 | kimo | abrotman, thnx |
| 22:50.26 | TonyStark | kimo, nop, and advise is not an advertisement, a conseil it is not a marketing action ;D |
| 22:50.38 | Eno_ | kimo: If you use debian, you will make me so happy. So happy. |
| 22:50.42 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:50.45 | mutante | so if i just said /6 ,it will start counting at 0 hours, so midnight and then 6, 12 ,18 |
| 22:50.56 | azeem | the second link is defunct it seems |
| 22:50.57 | mikeo1 | i want to use debian, but its network dont work... |
| 22:51.00 | mutante | that would be 10 minutes in my timezone to wait if it works :) |
| 22:51.12 | kimo | :) The thing is, people say ubuntu is debian with better hardware detection.. so I figure, huh |
| 22:51.21 | FreeOne3000 | mikeo1: Yes, it is... |
| 22:51.28 | FreeOne3000 | mikeo1: Yes, it does, rather. |
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| 22:51.34 | mikeo1 | how? |
| 22:51.35 | azeem | kimo: no, people say Debian is Ubuntu without the shitty brown color |
| 22:51.44 | thingfish | ubuntu will catch more new hardware than sarge will, probably. |
| 22:51.48 | FreeOne3000 | mikeo1: Well, you have the ethernet cable in, and it just works. |
| 22:51.51 | kimo | lol @ azeem :) |
| 22:51.51 | jelly-ho | azeem: what brown color? |
| 22:51.56 | mikeo1 | keep getting "No DHCPOFFERS recieved" then it crashes |
| 22:52.01 | TonyStark | kimo, my experience, with debian since 1.3.1, ubuntu is something like "unix for the masses" based on debian, nothing else, it is no t debian ;D |
| 22:52.12 | treyh0 | oh god |
| 22:52.15 | jelly-ho | azeem: ahh, sorry, I got it backwards. |
| 22:52.18 | FreeOne3000 | mikeo1: Are you connected to your modem/router with a ethernet cable, or using wireless or dial-up? |
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| 22:52.20 | treyh0 | not another ubuntu vs debian |
| 22:52.26 | mikeo1 | ethernet cable |
| 22:52.31 | FreeOne3000 | It's like, emacs versus vi.. |
| 22:52.32 | mikeo1 | in a schools netowrk |
| 22:52.39 | mikeo1 | linux has worked with every live cd i have used |
| 22:52.41 | azeem | FreeOne3000: that's sooo 80s |
| 22:52.43 | kimo | one more thing, being well versed with redhat & Linux in general. Is there any guide to Debian specific stuff? |
| 22:52.47 | mikeo1 | just not debian |
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| 22:52.52 | seb- | so what better ubuntu or debian? |
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| 22:52.54 | mikeo1 | and the gui netowrk config tool crashes everytime |
| 22:52.54 | jon_k | mikeo1, it seems he's using a WINethernet card |
| 22:53.07 | jon_k | winEthernet cards are becoming more common now days |
| 22:53.17 | azeem | kimo: check out the documentation at www.debian.org |
| 22:53.18 | mikeo1 | wtf is a winEthernet card? |
| 22:53.19 | mutante | if they call ubuntu "debian with better hardware detection" now, then they called that "Knoppix" earlier |
| 22:53.28 | jelly-ho | Debian is better because it takes less keystrokes to type it down! |
| 22:53.29 | jon_k | mikeol, winmodem, but in a NIC |
| 22:53.40 | jon_k | mikeol software-driver driven ethernet card pretty much |
| 22:53.42 | mikeo1 | while mine isnt a winmodem |
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| 22:53.44 | treyh0 | debian is better because people don't laugh at me when i tell them i run debian |
| 22:53.52 | mutante | hehe, good reason |
| 22:53.55 | jon_k | mikeol ah |
| 22:53.55 | FreeOne3000 | mikeo1: Who needs a GUI network tool? ...Just make sure the router is 1) On. 2) Working. 3) Not broken in any way. |
| 22:53.59 | mikeo1 | anyways im on a schools network |
| 22:54.06 | tombs | hi all |
| 22:54.07 | treyh0 | its hard explaing "ooboom boo" |
| 22:54.07 | kimo | treyh0, yep, debian is well respected.. that's for sure |
| 22:54.12 | mikeo1 | i just have a ethernet plugin |
| 22:54.17 | mikeo1 | and the cables are plugged in |
| 22:54.20 | FreeOne3000 | mikeo1: College, or do you have access to a home network as well? |
| 22:54.24 | mikeo1 | college |
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| 22:54.37 | mikeo1 | connected right now on the same plugin |
| 22:54.47 | veleno | hello. is it possible to recover an scp file transfer, after a 'connection reset by peer' ? |
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| 22:55.03 | FreeOne3000 | Try changing what type of offer it's looking for. |
| 22:55.04 | petemc | veleno: rsync |
| 22:55.11 | mikeo1 | ? |
| 22:55.13 | mikeo1 | whats that mean |
| 22:55.23 | FreeOne3000 | There's another that's NOT DHCP, and I can't remember the name of it. |
| 22:56.07 | mikeo1 | while cant really get anything working without an internet connection |
| 22:56.33 | FreeOne3000 | Sure, you can... |
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| 22:56.50 | mikeo1 | no i cant, need nvidia drivers, and need an internet connection to downlaod them |
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| 22:56.56 | mikeo1 | not to mention xgl |
| 22:57.05 | shadowarts | how can i boot a 2.6 kernel for install on powerpc |
| 22:57.07 | SerajewelKS | glx? |
| 22:57.09 | mikeo1 | no |
| 22:57.10 | mikeo1 | xgl |
| 22:57.18 | shadowarts | like on a x86 pc its just linux26 or whatever |
| 22:57.25 | SerajewelKS | don't people typically call that GL? |
| 22:57.43 | mikeo1 | no |
| 22:57.45 | mikeo1 | xgl is different |
| 22:57.46 | Troebadoer | Hola, if I install debian-31r1 as testing that means as much as installing etch? |
| 22:57.54 | TonyStark | i'm having trouble bringing up my graphic card into agp mode (it is a radeon 7000), becuase it charges first the radeon module, instead of the agpgart module (for dri infrastructure).. i have done an script at /etc/modprobe.d/radeon, whic is "preinstall radeon insmod agpgart", but the radeon module keeps pon loading before the agpgart... what's wrong? |
| 22:58.06 | chealer | Troebadoer: whats "debian-31r1 as testing"? |
| 22:58.16 | efaistos | hi afriend of mine had this error during the installation "/sbin/init/ :426 cannot open dev/console :No such file |
| 22:58.16 | efaistos | Kernel panic : Attempted to Kill Init" Do you know why ? |
| 22:58.22 | veleno | petemc, does rsync works also for single files, instead of full-blown directories ? |
| 22:58.28 | petemc | veleno: sure |
| 22:58.31 | kimo | veleno, sure |
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| 22:58.44 | kimo | does debian have selinux ? |
| 22:59.05 | Troebadoer | chealer with testing source you can select if you want stable testing or unstable during debian installation if i'm not wrong |
| 22:59.15 | azeem | kimo: yes, to some degree |
| 22:59.51 | kimo | azeem, what do u name it & why to some degree ? |
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| 23:00.12 | mikeo1 | xgl and compiz |
| 23:00.25 | bMoL | join debian-br |
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| 23:00.41 | azeem | kimo: name it? |
| 23:00.43 | FreeOne3000 | glx...' |
| 23:00.45 | Troebadoer | I mean sarge is the latest stable but etch is in testing phase what is best to install? sarge (31r1) with 'testing' sources or etch or is that the same thing? |
| 23:00.47 | Sonny | do you know a graphical app to compress and decompress files? |
| 23:00.57 | FreeOne3000 | ArK. |
| 23:01.03 | mikeo1 | http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/ |
| 23:01.04 | FreeOne3000 | But 'tar' and 'zip' can do it. |
| 23:01.06 | kimo | azeem, is it named selinux as well, coz I think novell names it grsecurity or something |
| 23:01.09 | azeem | kimo: you will have to explicitely turn it on and set it up pretty much manually I think |
| 23:01.11 | mikeo1 | xgl :p |
| 23:01.16 | kimo | Sonny, ark |
| 23:01.19 | azeem | kimo: grsecurity is something else |
| 23:01.35 | FreeOne3000 | Meh. AfterStep can do that. |
| 23:01.37 | kimo | azeem, umm really ;) |
| 23:01.42 | Sonny | ok thanks... doest it manage tar.gz .tar .gz .zip etc files? |
| 23:01.46 | kimo | azeem, I'm not the expert though |
| 23:01.49 | kimo | Sonny, yep |
| 23:01.57 | FreeOne3000 | Be kinda useless if it didn't. |
| 23:02.04 | kimo | Sonny, it's standard with kde |
| 23:02.09 | mikeo1 | man debians network is sucking |
| 23:02.13 | Sonny | kimo, and for gnome? |
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| 23:02.21 | mikeo1 | dont see why it cant just connect |
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| 23:02.37 | kimo | Sonny, not sure, fileroller I beleive |
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| 23:03.25 | Sonny | which is the equivalent of ARK for gnome? |
| 23:04.04 | chealer | Troebadoer: it will be the same after the installation |
| 23:04.24 | kimo | Sonny, http://fileroller.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 23:04.42 | Esaj | are gnome applets broken for anyone else in unstable? |
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| 23:06.03 | Troebadoer | Thanx chealer was a bit confused about that know what to do now. I also heard that the libranet adminmenu would be adopted by debian you don't happen to know anything about that? |
| 23:06.37 | stubbs_ | Can anyone help me with installing my graphics card? my lspci returns 'VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266]' But my kernel has both S3 and VGA built in |
| 23:06.38 | chealer | Troebadoer: I don't happen to know anything about Libranet |
| 23:07.13 | chealer | stubbs_: and what do you want to achieve exactly? |
| 23:07.39 | TonyStark | i'm having trouble bringing up my graphic card into agp mode (it is a radeon 7000), becuase it charges first the radeon module, instead of the agpgart module (for dri infrastructure).. i have done an script at /etc/modprobe.d/radeon, whic is "preinstall radeon insmod agpgart", but the radeon module keeps pon loading before the agpgart... what's wrong? |
| 23:07.45 | mikeo1 | can anyone help me connect to the internet in debian? its sucking and not connection |
| 23:07.47 | Troebadoer | thats ok :) just a rumour I caught if it was true it would be known onhere :) thx |
| 23:07.54 | stubbs_ | chealer:Well ppracer running would be a nice start... :p |
| 23:08.27 | Sonny | How can I find the executable of the file-roller? |
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| 23:08.48 | mikeo1 | spent a long time manuall editing the /etc/X11/X86-config file to get the freakin video working... lol at default it couldnt even get gdm started |
| 23:08.49 | chealer | Sonny: did you install the package? |
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| 23:08.53 | Sonny | yep |
| 23:08.57 | mikeo1 | now dont want to kill all that work cause the network just doesnt owrk |
| 23:09.09 | kimo | running debian on PII350/128Mb swap on separate disk, and it is slow. Any recommendations for speed? |
| 23:09.17 | chealer | stubbs_: so your card supports 3D acceleration and it's currently disabled? |
| 23:09.40 | kimo | Sonny, double click on a zip file ? |
| 23:10.12 | chealer | Sonny: $ dpkg -L file-roller|grep bin |
| 23:10.23 | Sonny | I want to tell krusader to use file-roller for that kind of files |
| 23:10.50 | kimo | Sonny, use kde apps better |
| 23:11.17 | stubbs_ | chealer:pretty much |
| 23:11.20 | Sonny | kimo: why not gnome's ?? |
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| 23:11.48 | rodrigo | hi |
| 23:11.54 | kimo | Sonny, coz it will start faster with all kde libraries loaded & it will be better integrated with the rest of ur kde desktop |
| 23:12.04 | kimo | Sonny, http://perso.wanadoo.fr/coquelle/karchiver/ |
| 23:12.13 | Sonny | kimo: I use gnome desktop |
| 23:12.22 | kimo | Sonny, u did say krusader :) |
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| 23:12.31 | TonyStark | i'm having trouble bringing up my graphic card into agp mode (it is a radeon 7000), becuase it charges first the radeon module, instead of the agpgart module (for dri infrastructure).. i have done an script at /etc/modprobe.d/radeon, whic is "preinstall radeon insmod agpgart", but the radeon module keeps pon loading before the agpgart... what's wrong? |
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| 23:12.43 | rodrigo | i'm on a debian amd64, can someone help me to install the nvidia driver? |
| 23:12.50 | Sonny | kimo: yep I use krusader ..... there's no better apps like that for gnome |
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| 23:13.26 | chealer | stubbs_: which X driver is currently used? |
| 23:13.32 | kimo | Sonny, ok, if ur machine is fast enough. Right click, open with, file-roller, remember might help u |
| 23:13.59 | chealer | rodrigo: is there something specific to installing them on amd64? |
| 23:14.04 | Sonny | kimo: maybe you're right..... maybe krusader integrates faster with a kde's appe |
| 23:14.23 | Sonny | ark or kar ?? |
| 23:14.27 | kimo | Sonny, just try kde with a week |
| 23:14.32 | kimo | Sonny, karchiver |
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| 23:15.42 | rodrigo | chealer: it gives me a few errors saying that it hasn't the precompiled drivers for my kernel, so it needs to compile it, then it gives me an error because the version of gcc in the system isn't the same used for compiling the kernel |
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| 23:16.33 | stubbs_ | chealer: I used vesa |
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| 23:17.39 | Haukkari | How does grpquota fstab option work? |
| 23:17.48 | Haukkari | Can I put a limit of 150 megabytes to everyone in a group? |
| 23:17.52 | Haukkari | or does that limit the whole group? |
| 23:18.01 | TonyStark | i'm having trouble bringing up my graphic card into agp mode (it is a radeon 7000), becuase it charges first the radeon module, instead of the agpgart module (for dri infrastructure).. i have done an script at /etc/modprobe.d/radeon, whic is "preinstall radeon insmod agpgart", but the radeon module keeps pon loading before the agpgart... what's wrong? |
| 23:18.11 | chealer | rodrigo: are you trying to use nvidia.com's nvidia-installer? |
| 23:18.14 | bbrazil | Haukkari: user and group quotas are seperate |
| 23:18.35 | Haukkari | bbrazil: yeah, but the group quota thing won't work as "everyone in a given group" |
| 23:18.45 | bbrazil | Haukkari: its every file with that group |
| 23:18.47 | Haukkari | bbrazil: I really have to set the quotas by hand? :/ (for i in...) |
| 23:18.55 | rodrigo | chealer: yep |
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| 23:19.04 | MrEntropy | yo |
| 23:19.07 | bbrazil | Haukkari: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:19.18 | chealer | stubbs_: I know nothing about stubbs_. did you try savage or s3virge? |
| 23:19.32 | Haukkari | bbrazil: limit everyone in a given group to 150M |
| 23:19.39 | chealer | !tell rodrigo about nvidia-installer |
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| 23:19.46 | bbrazil | Haukkari: is that set a user quota for each of 150 people? |
| 23:19.53 | MrEntropy | the part in the debian install where you select your language/character set. how do i change that post-install? |
| 23:19.58 | stubbs_ | not since recompiling the kernel actually |
| 23:20.02 | Haukkari | bbrazil: most likely so |
| 23:20.05 | stubbs_ | chealer:not since recompiling the kernel actually |
| 23:20.26 | kimo | running debian on PII350/128Mb ram & swap on separate disk, and it is slow. Any recommendations for speed? |
| 23:20.27 | bbrazil | Haukkari: set it manually for one (the prototype account) and then edquota -p prototype user1 user2 ... |
| 23:20.39 | bbrazil | Haukkari: see also: members |
| 23:20.41 | chealer | MrEntropy: try # dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:20.43 | Haukkari | bbrazil: ah, ok. Thanks |
| 23:20.46 | rodrigo | how do I see nvidia-graphics-drivers? |
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| 23:21.03 | chealer | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 23:21.04 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
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| 23:21.13 | rodrigo | thanks |
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| 23:21.25 | rodrigo | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 23:21.25 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 23:21.35 | kimo | chealer, can I get a list of stuff that can be dpkg-reconfigured ? |
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| 23:23.00 | chealer | kimo: try $ debconf-show --listowners |
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| 23:23.47 | kimo | great, coming from a redhat background, are there any system configuration utilities a la system-config-* ? |
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| 23:24.02 | thingfish | kimo: hahaha |
| 23:24.04 | mikeo1 | network still dont work |
| 23:24.05 | azeem | kimo: no |
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| 23:24.25 | thingfish | whatcha gonna cook, chealer? |
| 23:24.33 | mikeo1 | ifconfig has no ip addressess |
| 23:24.42 | TonyStark | mikeo1 what's wrong? what have you done? |
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| 23:24.46 | mikeo1 | nothing |
| 23:24.50 | chealer | thingfish: nothing, just going to help if needed |
| 23:24.54 | thingfish | oh. |
| 23:24.56 | mikeo1 | i installed debian amd64, and it cant connect to the internet |
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| 23:25.06 | TonyStark | mikeo1, modem? cable7adsl? dhcp? oro what? |
| 23:25.15 | mikeo1 | dhcp school network |
| 23:25.15 | thingfish | I'm debating buying some shrimp for tonight. |
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| 23:25.52 | mikeo1 | keep getting eth1 unknown hardware address type 24 |
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| 23:26.02 | blaylock | any one here have experience setting up a router in debian? |
| 23:26.14 | mikeo1 | and DCHPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 |
| 23:26.38 | thingfish | kimo: not that Debian doesn't have its tools. They're just not gui tools. |
| 23:27.13 | TonyStark | mikeo1, have you insmod the right module for your network card? |
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| 23:27.21 | mikeo1 | then and on eth0 i get "-- ERROR -- Class: internal software error, Nr: 0x19e, Msg: Vpd: cannot read VPD keys" |
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| 23:27.27 | `Cricket` | has anyone had any issues performing a net install ? |
| 23:27.33 | TonyStark | mikeo1, have you insmod the right module for your network card? |
| 23:27.37 | mikeo1 | what does that mean? |
| 23:27.44 | mikeo1 | i have not done anything to my network card |
| 23:27.51 | SerajewelKS | `Cricket`: no. /msg dpkg ask |
| 23:28.03 | TonyStark | mikeo1, what network card are you working with? |
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| 23:28.13 | mikeo1 | built in network card on my dfi sli-dr |
| 23:28.19 | mikeo1 | works fine in all the live cds |
| 23:28.19 | rodrigo | dumb questions: what are the keyboard shortcuts for copy, cut and past in linux? |
| 23:28.32 | SerajewelKS | rodrigo: depends on your desktop environment |
| 23:28.38 | rodrigo | gnome |
| 23:28.43 | kimo | thingfish, uh, no problem with curses tools, any thing other than debconf ? |
| 23:28.45 | TonyStark | mikeo1, you must know whici one it is, in order to insert the driver for it (in linux it is called module) |
| 23:28.47 | SerajewelKS | rodrigo: check the keyboard config |
| 23:28.47 | CalJohn | rodrigo : "linux" is nothing to do with desktop things like that |
| 23:29.01 | SerajewelKS | rodrigo: just like windows, each application can set the shortcuts however it wants to. |
| 23:29.14 | SerajewelKS | rodrigo: but typically, the same: ctrl+[xcv] |
| 23:29.25 | thingfish | kimo: well, just assorted stuff...make-kpkg, dpkg-reconfigure, module-assistant... |
| 23:29.35 | mikeo1 | how do i find out what it is? |
| 23:29.48 | mikeo1 | the board is an nforce 4 |
| 23:29.48 | blaylock | cricket, what types of problems are you having? |
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| 23:30.07 | TonyStark | mikeo1, lspci, and you check for your network card |
| 23:30.38 | mikeo1 | in windows... |
| 23:31.14 | mikeo1 | its the Marvel Yukon 88E8001/8003/8010 PCI Gigabit Ethernet Controller |
| 23:31.21 | thingfish | kimo: and once you know your way around, apt-get, apt-cache, and dpkg can all get you info like what rpm -* does. |
| 23:31.31 | mikeo1 | with the Nvidia Nforce Networking controller |
| 23:31.37 | TonyStark | mikeo1, lspci, and you check for your network card, then you google which one is the driver for your card, and as root you do insmod the-driver-neede, and... et viola! |
| 23:31.45 | `Cricket` | blaylock, apt tosses up errors when i got to install the desktop profile |
| 23:31.51 | mikeo1 | ok will try lspci and see what errors it gives |
| 23:31.58 | thingfish | kimo: I came from red hat/fedora, too, about a year ago. I will never go back. |
| 23:32.02 | SerajewelKS | mikeo1: errors? |
| 23:32.07 | blaylock | cricket, interesting |
| 23:32.14 | mikeo1 | everything about this debian install has had errors |
| 23:32.14 | TonyStark | mikeo1, then you got it, the marvel yukon blablabla, google for the name of the driver |
| 23:32.16 | blaylock | ive been using aptitude |
| 23:32.22 | kimo | thingfish, I know apt very well. I am talking about configuring network dhcp/manual, configuring sound card ... |
| 23:32.25 | mikeo1 | gdm didnt start by default, it crashed |
| 23:32.34 | blaylock | cricket, and then once i installed kde i started using synaptic |
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| 23:32.50 | blaylock | cricket, havent had any errors like that |
| 23:32.51 | SerajewelKS | `Cricket`: are you installing testing with the stable netinstall? |
| 23:32.58 | `Cricket` | no |
| 23:32.58 | mikeo1 | will try lspci |
| 23:33.04 | `Cricket` | stable |
| 23:33.13 | thingfish | kimo: alsaconf, man interfaces... |
| 23:33.15 | SerajewelKS | `Cricket`: sounds like a borked mirror maybe... dunno |
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| 23:33.30 | TonyStark | i'm having trouble bringing up my graphic card into agp mode (it is a radeon 7000), becuase it charges first the radeon module, instead of the agpgart module (for dri infrastructure).. i have done an script at /etc/modprobe.d/radeon, whic is "preinstall radeon insmod agpgart", but the radeon module keeps pon loading before the agpgart... what's wrong? |
| 23:33.49 | kimo | thingfish, ok, guess I'll leave it one by one. Would be nice to gather all configuration scripts in a central location though... |
| 23:33.53 | `Cricket` | SerajewelKS, if itsa a broked mirror, then they must all be broked, ive tried 13 mirrors so far |
| 23:34.00 | SerajewelKS | `Cricket`: and, in general, if you want a more detailed guess than that, you need to provide more detailed information, e.g. what *exactly* is the error message. |
| 23:34.12 | thingfish | kimo: hehe welcome to Debian. |
| 23:34.16 | kimo | thingfish, & why wouldnt u ever go back to RH? I'd like to get ur opinion please |
| 23:34.29 | SerajewelKS | kimo: would you like mine too? |
| 23:34.31 | thingfish | kimo: I can't tell you without getting crude. ;) |
| 23:34.43 | thingfish | I would, SerajewelKS! |
| 23:35.04 | thingfish | mainly - who wants that loosely-held-together bug collection that is fedora? |
| 23:35.12 | kimo | SerajewelKS, sure :) |
| 23:35.25 | SerajewelKS | kimo, thingfish: RPMs suck, RH/FC is designed for noobs. upgrading anything is a PITA. |
| 23:35.29 | kimo | thingfish, same thing about unstable ? :) |
| 23:35.38 | thingfish | SerajewelKS: you know it. |
| 23:35.53 | thingfish | kimo: Debian unstable is better linux than most other distro's finished products. |
| 23:35.55 | kimo | SerajewelKS, not really, up2date & yum are more than adequate now ... |
| 23:36.10 | thingfish | s/distro's/distros' |
| 23:36.18 | SerajewelKS | kimo: they're trying to patch up a package format with design flaws |
| 23:36.53 | kimo | SerajewelKS, the only lacking in rpm imho, are interactive conf scripts like pkgs |
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| 23:37.05 | thingfish | kimo: another prime difference: Debian's releases are quality-based. RH/Fedora's is time/schedule-based. |
| 23:37.34 | SerajewelKS | and fedora is a "free" OS under a corporate banner |
| 23:37.39 | thingfish | yes |
| 23:37.48 | kimo | why is that bad! |
| 23:37.49 | darkcmd | Fedora always feels rushed. |
| 23:37.49 | thingfish | evil, evil, evil. |
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| 23:37.50 | cisse | kimo: in my experience up2date is lacking and they can't even make different yum repositories work together properly, so i think there is a long way to go |
| 23:38.04 | monteiro | i bought a webcam logitech express, but when i trie to acess the device /dev/video0 with xawtv computer freezes and then i need to reboot, anyone knows how to solve this problem ? |
| 23:38.12 | thingfish | even the fedora hard core people laugh at up2date. |
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| 23:38.37 | Danar | why does xmodmap insist that my mouse must have 11 buttons?! |
| 23:38.53 | zinx | Danar: who knows.. in insists mine must have 10. |
| 23:38.55 | kimo | cisse, yes it is. But I guess debian should start seeking other points of interest other than apt, coz other distros are catching up :) |
| 23:38.57 | SerajewelKS | plus in my experience, my redhat install felt like windows after a few months. it accumulates garbage *fast*. |
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| 23:39.03 | TonyStark | Danar, maybe it has, have oyu look at it? |
| 23:39.03 | Danar | no matter how many times i tell it it has 7, it won't believe me (!) |
| 23:39.16 | zinx | Danar: just fill it out with the extra buttons |
| 23:39.30 | thingfish | I stopped agreeing with their philosophy, and I got tired of chasing their bugs. |
| 23:39.31 | SerajewelKS | !tell kimo about why debian |
| 23:39.36 | SerajewelKS | kimo: apt isn't the only plus for debian |
| 23:39.46 | Danar | zinx: i'd rather fix it :/ |
| 23:39.54 | thingfish | I mean, I can't say that I'm so pure or anything, but I'm with Stallman. |
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| 23:40.22 | thingfish | i.e. - Death to capitalists! hehe |
| 23:40.24 | thingfish | j/k |
| 23:40.28 | Danar | somebody really screwed something up. my mouse worked fine until i upgraded :/ |
| 23:40.30 | kimo | thingfish, me too. Stallman, doesnt choose deb, I think he recommends some second tier distro which I cant remember the name of now |
| 23:40.57 | azeem | ututo-e |
| 23:40.58 | TonyStark | guadalinex i think, from my country |
| 23:40.59 | thingfish | yeah I've yet to ever hear which distro he supports, if any. |
| 23:41.05 | kimo | yep :) |
| 23:41.10 | thingfish | oh cool, yes, in fact I think I did hear that. |
| 23:41.22 | thingfish | or read it somewhere. |
| 23:41.23 | kimo | azeem, perfect memory :) |
| 23:41.28 | zinx | Danar: if you want it fixed, file a bug |
| 23:41.33 | thingfish | (he is amazing, isn't he?!) |
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| 23:41.40 | thingfish | that's why we keep him. :) |
| 23:41.45 | Danar | zinx: i don't know that it's a bug... |
| 23:41.53 | kimo | didi anyone study why he doesnt choose debian :) |
| 23:41.54 | azeem | he was talking about it a couple of days ago |
| 23:42.03 | zinx | Danar: :/ |
| 23:42.04 | Nigromante | which is your country TonyStark , Extremadura ? |
| 23:42.07 | azeem | kimo: "non-free" |
| 23:42.16 | TonyStark | Nigromante, Spain man ;D |
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| 23:42.28 | Nigromante | :-P |
| 23:42.33 | thingfish | probably because Debian kind of winks at totally free with its contrib and non-free stuff, don't know really. |
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| 23:42.44 | UFO | debian 64bit channel? |
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| 23:42.54 | thingfish | UFO: #debian-amd64 |
| 23:42.58 | kimo | duh he can be a pain sometimes :) |
| 23:43.02 | Andy5201987 | hi |
| 23:43.02 | UFO | thingfish: thx |
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| 23:43.17 | Sonny | do you know how to untar many files .tar.gz that are inside a directory? |
| 23:43.18 | Andy5201987 | my name is Andy |
| 23:43.20 | thingfish | well he's an idea man, they all can be PITAs. |
| 23:43.30 | Andy5201987 | Hi |
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| 23:43.34 | TonyStark | i'm having trouble bringing up my graphic card into agp mode (it is a radeon 7000), becuase it charges first the radeon module, instead of the agpgart module (for dri infrastructure).. i have done an script at /etc/modprobe.d/radeon, whic is "preinstall radeon insmod agpgart", but the radeon module keeps pon loading before the agpgart... what's wrong? |
| 23:43.39 | thingfish | that's nice, Andy5201987. we're so incredibly happy for you. |
| 23:43.41 | Andy5201987 | my name is Andy (andy5201987) |
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| 23:43.57 | Andy5201987 | I need some help w/ kopete messenger v.0.10.3 |
| 23:44.04 | Andy5201987 | I was allready in the IRC for kopete |
| 23:44.08 | kimo | Sonny, tar zxvf *.tar.gz ? |
| 23:44.08 | Andy5201987 | and they reffered me to you |
| 23:44.22 | Andy5201987 | here's the prob |
| 23:44.31 | Coutal | hello, i am trying to build the nvidia legacy drivers. however, the documentation (and the resulting package) both refer to nvidia-kernel-common, which does not seem to exist anymore |
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| 23:44.44 | Andy5201987 | i installed v.0.10.3 of kopete messenger via .deb package that was compiled by someone else |
| 23:44.53 | Andy5201987 | I go to format >> add smiley |
| 23:44.56 | Sonny | kimo: I tried that it didnt work |
| 23:44.58 | Andy5201987 | no smilies are liste |
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| 23:45.05 | Andy5201987 | listed* |
| 23:45.15 | `Cricket` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:45.32 | Andy5201987 | I use Xandros v.3.0.2 open circulation editon, w/ kd3 v.3.3.0 |
| 23:45.48 | thingfish | tsk tsk tsk |
| 23:45.50 | Andy5201987 | kde v.3.3.0 |
| 23:46.02 | Andy5201987 | cant use anything else or I cant use the system |
| 23:46.04 | kimo | Sonny, for i in *.tar.gz; do tar zxvf $i.tar.gz; done |
| 23:46.06 | _rene_ | xandros != debian |
| 23:46.10 | _rene_ | wrong channel. |
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| 23:46.22 | thingfish | guess what, Andy5201987, we don't. We use Debian. we know nothing about Xandros. |
| 23:46.24 | Andy5201987 | I used the channel #kopete but they reffered me to you |
| 23:46.28 | Andy5201987 | ok |
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| 23:46.33 | Andy5201987 | I'm not asking bout xandros |
| 23:46.38 | Andy5201987 | I asked bout kopete emoticons |
| 23:46.40 | Sonny | kimo: nop |
| 23:46.41 | _rene_ | but you use xandros |
| 23:46.57 | thingfish | sorry, but it's different enough that we'd be doing you a disservice if we were to advise you. |
| 23:46.58 | Andy5201987 | I'm in the #xandros right now but no one is responding |
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| 23:47.05 | benjamindees | speaking of RMS, is there a usable free java plugin? |
| 23:47.07 | thingfish | that's unfortunate. |
| 23:47.26 | kimo | Sonny, it didnt work ? |
| 23:47.35 | Andy5201987 | so I came to this one cuz I figured that's the closest i can get to xandros |
| 23:47.36 | Andy5201987 | debian |
| 23:47.39 | azeem | benjamindees: libgcjplugin or something |
| 23:47.43 | Sonny | kimo: it didnt work |
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| 23:47.46 | Andy5201987 | all I want to know is how to I ge tthe emoticons back |
| 23:47.47 | azeem | dunno how usable it is |
| 23:47.49 | thingfish | Andy5201987: may we recommend to you that you install Debian? First of all, you'll have less problems. And you'll get all the help you need in here. |
| 23:47.51 | kimo | Sonny, what's the error |
| 23:47.55 | mikeo1 | do i really have to go through all this just to get connected to the internet? http://www.marvell.com/drivers/upload/README.html |
| 23:47.57 | UFO | Andy5201987: ask? |
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| 23:48.02 | mikeo1 | recompiling the kernel and stuff |
| 23:48.11 | Andy5201987 | I like xandros |
| 23:48.20 | thingfish | that's swell. |
| 23:48.23 | Sonny | kimo: I had to do it file by file :( |
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| 23:48.41 | Andy5201987 | I tryed #kopete and they couldn't help me |
| 23:48.42 | cisse | mikeo1: i would install the latest kernel and see if the marvell driver has been incorporated into it |
| 23:48.43 | kimo | Sonny, "for i in *.tar.gz; do tar zxvf $i.tar.gz; done" between quotes will work!! |
| 23:48.47 | Sonny | This is the moment when I miss Total Commander |
| 23:48.50 | Andy5201987 | I'm still waiting for an answer form #xandros |
| 23:48.54 | Andy5201987 | where else could I go |
| 23:48.57 | thingfish | Andy5201987: ask there again in a while. Sometimes you have to be patient. |
| 23:49.08 | mikeo1 | i cant install the latest kernel... |
| 23:49.14 | mikeo1 | it doesnt have a working internet connection |
| 23:49.30 | Andy5201987 | I have the files downloaded that I want to use for kopete messenger |
| 23:49.35 | Andy5201987 | but I don;t know where to put them |
| 23:49.48 | kimo | mikeo1, shit my laptop will have marvell ethernet :( |
| 23:49.56 | mikeo1 | hahahaha |
| 23:50.04 | mikeo1 | maybe then it will get fixed in debian |
| 23:50.19 | Sonny | Krusader is still a child of Total Commander |
| 23:50.26 | mikeo1 | so do i really have to recompile the kernel |
| 23:50.30 | mikeo1 | or is there an easier way |
| 23:50.36 | jetscreamer | mc is your god |
| 23:50.45 | Andy5201987 | yea but then I have to do a lenthy download or wait for a disk to be shipped to the house |
| 23:50.51 | Andy5201987 | and it may not work on my comp |
| 23:50.54 | _rene_ | kimo: that's why you look *before* you buy stuff whether/how it's supported ;) |
| 23:50.55 | kimo | mikeo1, u should be able to just compile the driver, heh! why the whole kernel |
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| 23:51.21 | TonyStark | i'm having trouble bringing up my graphic card into agp mode (it is a radeon 7000), becuase it charges first the radeon module, instead of the agpgart module (for dri infrastructure).. i have done an script at /etc/modprobe.d/radeon, whic is "preinstall radeon insmod agpgart", but the radeon module keeps pon loading before the agpgart... what's wrong? |
| 23:51.33 | UFO | Andy5201987: do you have the new version of kde? somone told it got some problems with kopete |
| 23:51.35 | _rene_ | kimo: depends on how the driver is shipped.if it's a kernel patch you might have bad luck |
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| 23:52.00 | Andy5201987 | I can't install a newer version cuz it breaks the system and I can't log in |
| 23:52.10 | Andy5201987 | even if i just update the kdm login I have problems |
| 23:52.10 | mikeo1 | time to try to get it to work |
| 23:52.45 | sbk | question about nfs options: what is the difference between setting actimeo=0, and setting noac? |
| 23:52.48 | Andy5201987 | still no help from #xandors |
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| 23:54.16 | Sonny | is there a way to make gkrellm to be part of the desktop? like a the gdesklets |
| 23:54.39 | azeem | Sonny: other than you starting it? |
| 23:54.48 | kimo | Sonny, can u try google first :) |
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| 23:56.12 | Sonny | ok.... it's just I'm a little bit tired |
| 23:56.14 | Sonny | :p |
| 23:56.31 | Andy5201987 | I see the keys used to get the emoticons |
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| 23:56.38 | Andy5201987 | but I don't get a nice pic of them |
| 23:56.48 | Andy5201987 | I have the pics I want to use on my pc |
| 23:56.54 | kimo | thnx guys for all the help. I'm downloading debian tonight :) |
| 23:57.06 | UdontKnow | Andy5201987: is that your phone number? |
| 23:57.15 | Andy5201987 | no |
| 23:57.29 | Andy5201987 | I'm not giving that out |
| 23:57.33 | UdontKnow | heh |
| 23:57.43 | UdontKnow | whats all this 5201987 then? |
| 23:57.55 | Andy5201987 | just cuz I couldn't use Andy |
| 23:58.01 | Andy5201987 | so I put in some random #s |
| 23:58.02 | kimo | birthday ? |
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| 23:58.28 | Andy5201987 | kopete? |
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| 23:59.27 | Danar | xmodmap keeps saying "xmodmap: commandline:1: bad number of buttons, must have 11 instead of 7" even with 11 buttons defined... wtf? |
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