| 00:00.55 | Danar | hrm, i tried specifying 11 buttons in my xorg.conf and then it said it needs 15 buttons instead of 7 (?!) |
| 00:01.01 | sandman | When I run aptitude install udev, it tells me it's an untrusted package. |
| 00:01.03 | sandman | What should I do? |
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| 00:01.25 | rodrigo | hi |
| 00:02.14 | rodrigo | can someone help me on editing apt's sources.list? |
| 00:02.24 | markybob | !ask |
| 00:02.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:02.29 | rodrigo | I have to put a contrib and a non-free source |
| 00:02.38 | markybob | rodrigo, nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:02.48 | markybob | rodrigo, add contrib and non-free right next to where you see main |
| 00:02.52 | markybob | rodrigo, then apt-get update |
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| 00:03.19 | rodrigo | when I do that aptitude gives me errors |
| 00:03.32 | sandman | BTW: When I enter "Yes" to continue, it just fails at an unmet dependency of " |
| 00:03.41 | rodrigo | could it have anything to do with the fact i'm using amd64? |
| 00:03.42 | sandman | kernel image >2.6.12" |
| 00:03.46 | markybob | rodrigo, paste your sources.list in pastebin and give me the link |
| 00:04.05 | rodrigo | wait a moment |
| 00:04.31 | markybob | sandman, upgrade your kernel if you want the newer udevs installed. |
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| 00:04.46 | markybob | rodrigo, put it here http://pastebin.com/ then link me |
| 00:04.54 | rodrigo | I know the pastebin :p |
| 00:04.59 | grendal_prime | ok snort-postgresql is makein me crazy |
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| 00:05.12 | grendal_prime | the packaged db setup script is flat out wacky |
| 00:05.15 | sandman | markybob: I did upgrade. |
| 00:05.16 | grendal_prime | anyone ever got this working |
| 00:05.29 | sandman | markybob: linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 is installed. |
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| 00:05.32 | markybob | sandman, uname -r shows what?3 |
| 00:05.33 | rodrigo | http://pastebin.com/555211 |
| 00:05.53 | sandman | But I had to force it, because linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 depends on udev, and udev depends on linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 00:05.58 | Andy5201987 | I did ask |
| 00:06.12 | Danar | anyone know how to get a logitech mx500 mouse working properly in debian testing? |
| 00:06.33 | sandman | markybob: uname -r shows 2.6.8 |
| 00:06.47 | sandman | 2.6.8-2-k7, to be exact; this is a dist-upgrade from sarge. |
| 00:06.54 | sandman | I'll brb, I'll try rebooting into 2.6.15 |
| 00:08.25 | markybob | rodrigo, change it to this and do apt-get update in a terminal and tell me what apt says |
| 00:08.25 | markybob | http://pastebin.com/555214 |
| 00:08.25 | rodrigo | now, a totally unrelated question: I mounted my winxp partition as /mnt/winxp, but I can only access it as root, how do I change this? |
| 00:08.25 | rodrigo | ok markybob |
| 00:08.25 | Danar | xmodmap is preventing me from starting x and i don't know why :'( |
| 00:08.25 | nachtmar | can anyone tell me good ftp program which is available on the debian ftps ? |
| 00:08.31 | Nigromante | rodrigo, change fstab |
| 00:08.31 | Danar | it keeps saying i need 11 buttons (wtf?!) |
| 00:08.42 | Nigromante | add gid=100,umask=0 |
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| 00:10.18 | Danar | i can't understand why my X log keeps saying "(**) Configured Mouse: Buttons: 11" |
| 00:11.41 | Andy5201987 | allright |
| 00:11.45 | Andy5201987 | if you cant help me |
| 00:11.51 | Andy5201987 | I guess I;ll log out |
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| 00:12.28 | rodrigo | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://debian.csail.mit.edu stable/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/debiancsail.mit.edu_debian-amd64_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binary-amd64_Packages) -stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 00:12.49 | Danar | can someone please help me? |
| 00:13.01 | rodrigo | and a lot more errors like that one markybob |
| 00:13.15 | Andy5201987 | bye |
| 00:13.33 | _rene_ | rodrigo: err? apt-get update? u in aptitude? |
| 00:13.37 | markybob | rodrigo, your mirror only mirrors main, it looks like. change it so you use the main mirror http://amd64.debian.net/debian-amd64/ |
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| 00:13.56 | rodrigo | _rene_ aptitude |
| 00:14.07 | rodrigo | i'll try it markybob |
| 00:14.27 | _rene_ | hmmk. I didn't read some parts... |
| 00:14.32 | `Cricket` | hmm pt isnt tossing up errors. i deleted the pkgstates file. and ran apt-get update, seems to be working... |
| 00:14.45 | Danar | :'( |
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| 00:15.20 | rodrigo | same errors only with a different url |
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| 00:15.42 | mikeo1 | "Its not possible to build a standalone sk98lin driver on this host. Ther kernel don't export a neccessary symbols for the device driver and we arnt able to load the driver" |
| 00:16.00 | mikeo1 | "please compile the kernel and the driver manually." |
| 00:16.06 | markybob | rodrigo, you made it look exactly like this? deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian-amd64/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 00:16.10 | mikeo1 | after wasting countless hours |
| 00:16.18 | mikeo1 | this is where i say fuck it, and switch to some other distro |
| 00:16.29 | markybob | rodrigo, note that the /debian/ part got removed |
| 00:16.52 | rodrigo | yep |
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| 00:17.02 | rodrigo | I copied your url and pasted over the old |
| 00:17.23 | `Cricket` | \o |
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| 00:17.26 | aidan | where do I configure the name of my machine? |
| 00:17.26 | mikeo1 | suse 10 is sounding good right now, the livecd detected all my hardware |
| 00:17.32 | markybob | rodrigo, i just tried that here and it works perfectly. http://pastebin.com/555230 |
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| 00:17.41 | markybob | rodrigo, found them all with no errors with what i have there |
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| 00:17.55 | Danar | can someone please help me? |
| 00:18.01 | Danar | xmodmap is preventing me from starting x and i don't know why :'( |
| 00:18.13 | markybob | aidan, man hostname |
| 00:18.14 | Danar | it keeps saying i need 11 buttons (wtf?!) |
| 00:18.27 | Danar | i can't understand why my X log keeps saying "(**) Configured Mouse: Buttons: 11" |
| 00:18.36 | rodrigo | markybob the only difference between our files is that mine didn't have the final / in the urls |
| 00:18.52 | rodrigo | and didn't work with them too |
| 00:19.18 | markybob | rodrigo, that link works here. that's about all i can tell you. |
| 00:19.23 | rodrigo | :( |
| 00:19.32 | markybob | Danar, make your mouse section look normal instead of whatever fancy crap you tried to pull for mx500 |
| 00:19.36 | markybob | it's that simple |
| 00:19.36 | rodrigo | perhaps my pc is dumber than yours? :p |
| 00:19.45 | rodrigo | now, another question then |
| 00:19.45 | Danar | markybob: i did, but it's still not working |
| 00:20.03 | Danar | markybob: that's my problem |
| 00:20.04 | markybob | Danar, if your mouse section looked normal, it wouldnt tell you crap like that |
| 00:20.11 | rodrigo | I mounted /dev/hda1 to /mnt/winxp, but it's only acessible for root |
| 00:20.13 | markybob | Danar, pastebin it |
| 00:20.23 | Supaplex | I imported pgp keys from another machine to this debian workstation (w/o pgp, gpg only), and it has worked fine for the last few months (I only use the signing key atm). I have checked my kmail identity, and it has the key I was assigned for signing. How can I fix kmail's nag about "undefined encryption key" stating I need to select the key for use in my identity? |
| 00:21.02 | markybob | rodrigo, use gid/uid/umask in the fstab line for it. man fstab |
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| 00:21.10 | benjamindees | mikeo1, have you tried the updated sarge installer? |
| 00:21.19 | JoshH | Supaplex: use thunderbird |
| 00:21.41 | aidan | does anyone know what "Illuminate" is? (there's a new account called Illuminate Admin on my box) |
| 00:21.46 | Supaplex | JoshH: that's an ikano answer :) |
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| 00:21.57 | Danar | markybob: i can't seem to paste into elinks |
| 00:21.58 | JoshH | Danar: yesterday when i got xorg in etch it busted my mouse buttons also, i still haven't been able to make it work right again |
| 00:22.11 | JoshH | xorg 6.9 that is |
| 00:22.12 | Danar | JoshH: yeh, i'm in the same boat :/ |
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| 00:22.25 | Danar | JoshH: only now i can't get into x either |
| 00:22.36 | benjamindees | !tell mikeo1 about sarge 2.6.14 |
| 00:22.48 | Danar | even though i put things back |
| 00:22.59 | JoshH | Supaplex: hehe, seriously though, quit using kde crap :P |
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| 00:23.01 | markybob | Danar, make it look *exactly* like this http://pastebin.com/555240 |
| 00:23.19 | aidan | is postfix an MTA? do I run postfix OR exim, or both? |
| 00:23.27 | Danar | markybob: i can't paste into elinks |
| 00:23.32 | markybob | aidan, either or. |
| 00:23.33 | Supaplex | JoshH: it may be crap to you, but I happen to like it. I have used t.b., and it doesnt' suit my taste. |
| 00:23.37 | poli | aidan: yes it is. by default yourun exim. |
| 00:23.44 | Danar | markybob: any idea why? |
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| 00:23.57 | JoshH | markybob: what about a mouse with side buttons? i had it like that, except with "Buttons" "7", and "ZAxisMapping" "6 7" |
| 00:24.01 | markybob | Danar, i'm not asking you to paste. i pasted what it should look like...all you have to do is copy it over |
| 00:24.17 | JoshH | that, plus my xmodmap settings for the side buttons, worked fine until i upgraded to xorg 6.9 yesterday |
| 00:24.22 | markybob | JoshH, i'm not trying to get all of his buttons and features working. just get him in x. |
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| 00:24.43 | Zrin | how can I compare data on a DVD with an image file? |
| 00:24.45 | Danar | markybob: yeah, but i wanted to paste the url rather than typing it |
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| 00:25.24 | Sonny | is there a way to make gkrellm to be part of the desktop? like a the gdesklets |
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| 00:25.43 | benjamindees | Zrin, cmp /dev/dvd /image/file |
| 00:25.58 | aidan | Is there a intro to the debian package manager that someone would recommend? |
| 00:26.01 | rodrigo | curiosity: what does the number in brackets after a man page number mean? |
| 00:26.01 | Zrin | benjamindees thank you |
| 00:26.02 | JoshH | does anyone use testing and have that same mouse problem? also, it seems a lot of people are using the driver "evdev" instead of "mouse", but xorg hangs when i try that |
| 00:26.06 | Danar | markybob: that's pretty much what i have, except for Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" |
| 00:26.13 | Danar | markybob: and no emulate3buttons |
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| 00:26.33 | Danar | markybob: it worked fine before without |
| 00:26.35 | JoshH | im using an mx700 btw |
| 00:26.45 | Danar | JoshH: mx500 here |
| 00:26.53 | markybob | Danar, try exactly what i have and see how things go. if not you'll have to post your entire xorg.conf cuz i cant go blind any further past this |
| 00:27.08 | markybob | mx1000. i win |
| 00:27.09 | markybob | ;) |
| 00:27.15 | Danar | heh. can't paste though |
| 00:27.26 | Danar | but here goes |
| 00:27.32 | JoshH | markybob: if you have all the buttons working in xorg 6.9, please pastebin your config for me :) |
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| 00:28.03 | markybob | JoshH, i dont. i care as much about that as i care about clipping my toenails regularly |
| 00:28.11 | Danar | markybob: arg, i can't copy text from elinks either |
| 00:28.19 | markybob | Danar, PEN AND PAPER |
| 00:28.22 | markybob | imagine that |
| 00:28.33 | Danar | blah. evil stuff :p |
| 00:28.40 | JoshH | markybob: heh, i see. personally, after having them all work for so long, i hate to have to go back |
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| 00:29.01 | JoshH | basically it seems to detect it as a 15 button mouse now |
| 00:29.12 | JoshH | so i just need the right mappings i guess, but nothing works |
| 00:29.16 | zach | um |
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| 00:29.35 | markybob | Danar, also make sure that in serverlayout at the bottom of the file, you have the inputdevice called "Configured Mouse" |
| 00:29.57 | Ytrevion | hi sorry maybe OT but anyone know if you can put a windows vfat volume on an lvm2 LV? |
| 00:30.40 | Danar | markybob: yep... though i had forgotten about that |
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| 00:31.01 | bbrazil | Ytrevion: you should be able to, I doubt windows will be able to read it though |
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| 00:31.19 | romulo | hi, me and another pc on my network are behind a router and i want to access the nfs of the other machine, do i need to redirect any port here or there? |
| 00:31.22 | Danar | has always been Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 7" for me |
| 00:31.59 | Danar | markybob: still doesn't work. still complains about not having 11 buttons |
| 00:32.15 | markybob | Danar, i see a lot of typing in your future |
| 00:32.36 | Danar | i can't understand why my X log keeps saying "(**) Configured Mouse: Buttons: 11" |
| 00:32.39 | Supaplex | ZAxisMapping has been an ongoing theme the last few days |
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| 00:33.11 | markybob | Danar, you're using xorg, right? |
| 00:33.23 | Danar | markybob: yes |
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| 00:33.48 | Danar | markybob: er, i still had zaxismapping at 6 7, and when i put it to 4 5, it says i need 9 buttons now |
| 00:33.59 | Danar | wtf is going on? |
| 00:34.17 | markybob | Danar, have you tried just doing this? md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 00:34.35 | ke6isf | I have a USB on a digital camera, but noticed it is not automounting like it has in the past. Obviously, I'll have to manually mount, but what should I be mounting? |
| 00:35.15 | rodrigo | markybob what values should I set for uid, gid and umask in the fstab? |
| 00:35.20 | markybob | ke6isf, whatever your camera shows up as on /var/log/syslog when you plug it in |
| 00:35.33 | Danar | markybob: file exists: /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum |
| 00:35.42 | markybob | rodrigo, whatever you want them to be. uid = user id. gid = group id, etc |
| 00:35.54 | markybob | Danar, what do i care? overwrite |
| 00:35.54 | ke6isf | markybob: What should I grep for? |
| 00:36.10 | markybob | ke6isf, nothing. tail -f /var/log/syslog then plug it in. you'll see it come up on the screen |
| 00:36.21 | ke6isf | markybob: Indeed, thanks. |
| 00:36.24 | Danar | markybob: it didn't ask :p |
| 00:36.45 | markybob | Danar, c'mon, man. you know how to delete a file :) |
| 00:36.49 | rodrigo | markybob and where can I find info of the effects of each numbers? |
| 00:37.31 | markybob | rodrigo, you'll find your uid in /etc/passwd and your gid in /etc/group (it's the number next the names). |
| 00:37.35 | Danar | markybob: now i get permission denied: /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum |
| 00:37.43 | markybob | Danar, are you seriously not root? |
| 00:37.53 | Danar | markybob: used sudo |
| 00:38.03 | markybob | Danar, please su - root |
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| 00:38.59 | rodrigo | markybob and for the umask? |
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| 00:39.35 | MrEntropy | chealer: (this is about the locale thing). i've set up the locale i want, but the characters still don't come out right. do i need to reboot or something? |
| 00:39.42 | Danar | markybob: i don't want to reconfigure xorg. it doesn't do my video card properly |
| 00:39.50 | markybob | rodrigo, man umask :) umask will set the permissions for the thing (think chmod) |
| 00:40.06 | markybob | Danar, you're killing me. |
| 00:40.17 | ke6isf | markybob: Nothing's even coming into syslog.... =O.o= |
| 00:40.38 | rodrigo | thanks |
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| 00:41.02 | markybob | ke6isf, huh. that's a problem. what'd you do recently? upgrade your kernel? |
| 00:41.03 | Danar | markybob: omg, i tried to cancel and it wouldn't let me. it overwrote my config. that's retarded |
| 00:41.42 | Danar | markybob: i've had so many problems with debian :/ |
| 00:41.45 | UFO | how well is the testing working... does it have lot of broken packages? |
| 00:41.45 | ke6isf | markybob: Not recently. Using 2.6.8-2 on Sarge, never had this problem before. I know there was a kernel update a bit ago before 3.1r1 was propagated, but it still worked after that. |
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| 00:43.05 | zach | has anyone tried running "WoW" on a linux system |
| 00:43.23 | zinx | didn't compuserve stop that years ago? |
| 00:43.25 | sandman | zach: Yes. Appears to run fine under my system. But that was a bit ago. |
| 00:43.26 | MrEntropy | zach: try #cedega |
| 00:43.29 | asg | zach: apparently it works with cedega |
| 00:43.32 | zach | im there now entropy hehe |
| 00:43.35 | sandman | And I did it _without_ cedega |
| 00:43.40 | sandman | Cedega is a piece of junk. |
| 00:43.43 | zach | yeah i was just interested on lag reports |
| 00:43.44 | zach | :) |
| 00:43.47 | ke6isf | !cedega |
| 00:43.47 | dpkg | i guess cedega is the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at http://transgaming.org/cvs/ but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality, or http://timedoctor.org/boycott_winex.php, or and the packaging saga summarised at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02823.html |
| 00:43.48 | asg | sandman: so is WoW for that matter ;) |
| 00:43.48 | sandman | And so are its employees. Somebody give me an amen. |
| 00:44.06 | sandman | asg: Amen. |
| 00:45.45 | zach | i refuse to pay cedega |
| 00:46.25 | sandman | Me too. |
| 00:46.31 | sandman | I'd rather sit on a pineapple. |
| 00:46.36 | zach | lol |
| 00:46.47 | zach | how do we know you dont like that sort of thing though :O |
| 00:46.53 | Danar | x keeps quitting with an xmodmap error. how can i fix it and get into x? |
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| 00:47.24 | Danar | xmodmap: commandline:1: bad number of buttons, must have 9 instead of 7 |
| 00:47.29 | sandman | W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E |
| 00:47.31 | liable | Danar: rename your .xmodmap and try, read .xsessioneroors |
| 00:47.45 | james___ | is there a way to find out the ip address of a user that is on my server? |
| 00:47.46 | sandman | Err, nevermind. /topic :)_ |
| 00:48.01 | liable | james___: logs |
| 00:48.16 | james___ | liable: where do i find the log? |
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| 00:48.24 | UFO | does the apt-get dist-upgrade to testing work well? |
| 00:48.39 | liable | james___: auth log for ssh, or apache for apache.. /var/log |
| 00:48.48 | mith | UFO: sure, assuming nothing is broken at the time you do it |
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| 00:49.04 | Sonny | gdesklets or gkrellm ? |
| 00:49.06 | mith | UFO: if anything's broken, then um, bad things happen and you cry if you don't know how to fix them. |
| 00:49.07 | dvs | UFO: Yes, but you can't go back to stable |
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| 00:49.35 | james___ | liable: oh ok, cause my server was down, and when i set the lan ip back up, there was already another user connected |
| 00:49.40 | sandman | Why does adding the public key give me a password prompt? |
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| 00:49.53 | UFO | mith: where could i see the broken packages? |
| 00:50.09 | Danar | liable: tried that, didn't work. nothing useful in .xsessionerrors |
| 00:50.21 | zach | !cedega |
| 00:50.21 | dpkg | from memory, cedega is the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at http://transgaming.org/cvs/ but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality, or http://timedoctor.org/boycott_winex.php, or and the packaging saga summarised at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02823.html |
| 00:50.27 | zach | anyone know the newest ver |
| 00:50.35 | UFO | mith: mostly thinking of kde? |
| 00:50.42 | liable | Danar: shouldnt complain about xmodmap unless theres a config for it somewhere. |
| 00:51.10 | Danar | liable: when i start x it exits with this: xmodmap: commandline:1: bad number of buttons, must have 9 instead of 7 |
| 00:51.13 | Danar | xmodmap: 1 error encountered, aborting. |
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| 00:51.32 | simonleb | hi all |
| 00:51.32 | JoshH | Danar: it did that to me too until i commented my xmodmap command from my xinitrc |
| 00:51.37 | liable | Danar: so its reading a file from somewhere.. |
| 00:51.45 | Danar | ah |
| 00:52.07 | Sonny | What is better? To use Gdesklets or Gkrellm ? |
| 00:52.09 | JoshH | Danar: but now, it does work this way, i tried this after reading a debian mailing list post |
| 00:52.13 | UFO | where cold i see the broken pakcages for testing? |
| 00:52.30 | JoshH | i have Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" |
| 00:52.31 | ubercondria | has anyony used Ubuntu? |
| 00:52.37 | JoshH | which is weird, i know |
| 00:52.41 | liable | ubercondria: #ubuntu |
| 00:52.45 | UFO | ubercondria: i have |
| 00:52.46 | JoshH | and xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 8 9 4 5 6 7 10 11" |
| 00:53.07 | simonleb | i need some info if someone can help. I have a debian etch and i am unable to compile mplayerplugin!!! is there a special way to do it ??? is there another plugin taht it could work on etch???thank u |
| 00:53.09 | JoshH | scroll wheel works, side buttons don't, but sometimes scrolling a page does make it go back or forward, lol |
| 00:53.19 | ubercondria | I have been trying to get a root CLI but my password is reject? |
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| 00:53.21 | Danar | liable: uh, now it's exiting without any errors (?!) |
| 00:53.21 | pm_ | how can i force my users to change the password at next login? |
| 00:53.22 | JoshH | i just need to figure out exactly what i need then fix it |
| 00:53.54 | ubercondria | Mandrake seems better |
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| 00:54.00 | liable | Danar: xorg? grep EE /var/log/xorg.0.log |
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| 00:54.22 | Danar | liable: nothing |
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| 00:54.39 | rich0rd | ubercondria: this is the debian channel, but you could not su with your password because there is no root pw |
| 00:54.46 | JoshH | seriously though, all i wanna know is wtf changed between xorg 6.8.2 and 6.9 that totally changes the way you setup mice |
| 00:54.51 | rich0rd | ubercondria: sudo bash (is the magic) |
| 00:54.52 | liable | Danar: absolutely nothing? it should output at least one line |
| 00:55.06 | UFO | pm_: change the expiration date |
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| 00:55.12 | Danar | liable: just the thing explaining what EE and such means |
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| 00:55.16 | JackBlack | Greetings gentlemen |
| 00:55.23 | liable | Danar: ok |
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| 00:55.43 | Danar | liable: yet still no gui |
| 00:55.59 | liable | Danar: just goes back to console? |
| 00:56.03 | Danar | yeah |
| 00:56.19 | liable | Danar: what did you install? |
| 00:56.38 | ice_1963 | hi |
| 00:56.51 | Danar | liable: i upgraded a bunch of stuff (testing) and then my buttons weren't working properly, so i tried to get them working... |
| 00:56.53 | _dylan | anybody help me with a uber newber nix question ? here goes: |
| 00:57.02 | JackBlack | I want to install Debian on my PC. I want to download CD ISO images. Can you please tell me what is the difference between 3.1 r0a and r1? which one is stable? |
| 00:57.23 | liable | Danar: bts is spose. |
| 00:57.30 | liable | i spose.. |
| 00:57.50 | Danar | liable: then i ended up making it so x wouldn't start because it didn't recognize the evdev protocol, so i tried putting everything back to normal, and started over, but now x won't even start |
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| 00:58.11 | simonleb | please anyone can help me with mplayerplugin on etch ??? |
| 00:58.11 | _dylan | ive tricked out my debian install, and want to ensure that i do the same steps on my next boxes install.... is there a way to ensure i do "everything" the same... ie: once i get debian up, run an "install" script of sorts to do everything for me ? would this just be a super tricked out shell script ? |
| 00:58.27 | _dylan | just wondering what the best replication method is i guess. |
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| 00:58.32 | liable | simonleb: apt-get install mozilla-mplayer |
| 00:58.34 | ice_1963 | has the nvidia-glx made it to etch yet ? |
| 00:58.40 | JackBlack | any advise is realy appreciated... |
| 00:58.45 | JackBlack | advice * |
| 00:58.46 | _L_A_N_E_T_ | türk varmý |
| 00:58.50 | _L_A_N_E_T_ | Selamun Ãleykûm |
| 00:59.03 | ice_1963 | from sid |
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| 00:59.25 | Danar | liable: why would x work one minute and not the next with the same config? |
| 00:59.36 | Danar | liable: i must be missing something |
| 00:59.40 | simonleb | liable: i got it and still cant compile mplayerplugin !! is it coz i have etch coz i used to have sid and it was working |
| 00:59.42 | simonleb | ??? |
| 00:59.49 | pm_ | UFO i've done it with chage, but no results.. |
| 00:59.59 | liable | Danar: I have no idea, depends what you messed with i guess. |
| 01:00.05 | liable | simonleb: its in the repos... |
| 01:00.20 | Danar | liable: xorg.conf mainly. and .xmodmap, but a mved that now |
| 01:00.22 | JackBlack | some mirrors say there is a bug in installer.. oes anyone posess any information about this? |
| 01:00.44 | Danar | *but i |
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| 01:00.54 | liable | Danar: so run the md5 on xorg.conf and reconfigure it again for starters |
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| 01:01.14 | liable | simonleb: what plugin are you talking about? |
| 01:01.28 | UFO | pm_: i should warn you tomorrow |
| 01:01.35 | UFO | pm_: it |
| 01:01.56 | JackBlack | can anyone see what I am typing? I get a feeling that my message is not delivered to room :) |
| 01:02.04 | pm_ | UFO i did a chage -d 0 user |
| 01:02.16 | Danar | liable: still doesn't want to work |
| 01:02.17 | ice_1963 | lol |
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| 01:02.31 | liable | Danar: did you md5sum it? |
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| 01:02.38 | liable | jtacy: yes |
| 01:02.40 | simonleb | mplayerplugin |
| 01:02.43 | liable | JackBlack: yes |
| 01:02.45 | simonleb | for webbrowsers |
| 01:02.47 | ice_1963 | i'm 67 :0) |
| 01:02.52 | liable | simonleb: just apt-get it. |
| 01:03.01 | Danar | liable: md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum |
| 01:03.06 | JackBlack | I think windows is blocking my text messages to anything realted to Linux.. |
| 01:03.06 | JackBlack | :) |
| 01:03.11 | jtacy | liable: it's nice to have preemptive agreement... |
| 01:03.19 | liable | jtacy: heh :) |
| 01:03.26 | cappiz | someone here good with unionfs? |
| 01:03.35 | JackBlack | 3.1_r0a is stable release? |
| 01:03.43 | liable | yes |
| 01:03.47 | simonleb | ok thank you for your help |
| 01:03.49 | asg | JackBlack: yes though 3.1r1 is now out |
| 01:03.50 | dvs | JackBlack: Yes, but 3.1r1 is newer |
| 01:03.51 | dn4 | intergalactic weapons of solar destruction |
| 01:04.01 | JackBlack | <liable> did your yes belong to me ?:) |
| 01:04.01 | UFO | pm_: but thats the way to do it ... maybe it works tomorrow if you dont touch it anymore |
| 01:04.19 | MrEntropy | once i've changed locale with locale-gen, do i need to reboot or something more to make all programs recognise it? |
| 01:04.19 | liable | JackBlack: yes |
| 01:04.21 | pm_ | UFO there is no way to expire now? |
| 01:04.30 | JackBlack | good |
| 01:04.33 | JackBlack | and thanks |
| 01:04.33 | Danar | liable: any ideas? |
| 01:04.58 | UFO | pm_: cant say |
| 01:05.00 | liable | Danar: nope, dunno if the logs dont tell you anything. |
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| 01:05.06 | Danar | :( |
| 01:05.11 | JackBlack | is it true Linux can scratch my back, and even scratch backs of incoming users if I run it as a server? :) |
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| 01:05.28 | asg | JackBlack: yes but you'll need to code pam_scratch.so yourself |
| 01:05.31 | UFO | pm_: or dont know... |
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| 01:05.47 | Danar | JackBlack: well, a linux-powered robot could... ;p |
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| 01:05.57 | dn4 | Danar, hahaha |
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| 01:06.44 | JackBlack | I am so devoted to windows.. i decided tor uninstall it and install plain ol' Dos. To get the feeling.. if u know what I mean :) |
| 01:07.01 | sandman | How do I use gnupg? |
| 01:07.13 | sandman | when I run aptitude update, it gives me these errors about the key not existing or some such. |
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| 01:07.22 | dvs | sandman: /topic |
| 01:07.37 | JackBlack | ok, now I ma gonna download first 2 CD iso s. do u know if those have apache/php mysql in them? |
| 01:07.49 | sandman | dvs: Indeed I see it. |
| 01:07.53 | sandman | But it still doesn't fix. |
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| 01:08.31 | JackBlack | anyone know? |
| 01:08.48 | JackBlack | I am like a winy little bitch aren't I? |
| 01:08.51 | dvs | JackBlack: Not for sure. I'd install them over the internet anyways |
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| 01:09.06 | JackBlack | k |
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| 01:09.19 | asg | JackBlack: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 01:09.22 | davidcsi | Guys, question: Why would Debian work just fine on a system and windows XP no even show its splash screen? I took the winxp hd and put it on another system and it works fine... |
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| 01:10.02 | JackBlack | thanks bro |
| 01:10.08 | JackBlack | or sis? |
| 01:10.14 | Corey | Q: anyone know of any like free php 20mb webhosting anywhere? I need to put my site online until I can scrape together some money for hosting |
| 01:10.22 | JackBlack | oh.. I forgot.. Debian users have no sex :)) |
| 01:10.33 | dren | :'( |
| 01:10.33 | dvs | JackBlack: Bite your tongue! |
| 01:10.35 | Corey | 0_O, so you're neither... i see |
| 01:10.36 | JackBlack | I am soon going to be one of you |
| 01:10.37 | JackBlack | :) |
| 01:10.41 | jtacy | oh snap |
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| 01:10.48 | chealer | davidcsi: ask #debian-windowshelp |
| 01:10.52 | JackBlack | <dvs> joking man, be cool |
| 01:11.03 | JackBlack | have fun with me |
| 01:11.04 | JackBlack | :) |
| 01:11.08 | dvs | Ok |
| 01:11.12 | davidcsi | chealer, great, thanks |
| 01:11.13 | dvs | !lart JackBlack |
| 01:11.24 | Danar | is there a commandline audio player? |
| 01:11.52 | davidcsi | chealer, very funny |
| 01:11.59 | Danar | so i can at least listen to music while i sit here and get no help :p |
| 01:12.13 | chealer | davidcsi: sarcastic, more accurately |
| 01:12.26 | JackBlack | guys |
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| 01:12.33 | odla | !irritate davidcsi |
| 01:12.33 | dpkg | davidcsi: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
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| 01:12.45 | JackBlack | does anyone know what is a distant relative of Dreamweaver in Linux world? |
| 01:12.48 | chealer | MrEntropy: you'd need to be a bit more precise about the issue. |
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| 01:13.08 | hd420 | apt-get update stopped working after I uninstalled tor, privoxy, and socat... how do I get it working again? |
| 01:13.15 | davidcsi | me? nah... i'm too cool for that... |
| 01:13.31 | dvs | JackBlack: Quanta |
| 01:13.31 | chealer | hd420: what do you mean by "stopped working"? |
| 01:13.45 | JackBlack | thx |
| 01:14.08 | hd420 | chealer: apt-get update gives 404s on all the repositories |
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| 01:14.28 | hd420 | I can retrieve the files manually though |
| 01:14.37 | sobersabre | hi... what can prevent me from writing a CD with a modern ATAPI CD-ROM on an old machien ? |
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| 01:14.54 | dvs | sobersabre: Which kernel? |
| 01:15.07 | chealer | hd420: consider pasting the output somewhere |
| 01:15.19 | sobersabre | 2.6.x |
| 01:15.22 | sobersabre | lemme see |
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| 01:15.52 | sobersabre | 2.6.12 |
| 01:16.02 | dvs | sobersabre: Did you compile it yourself? |
| 01:16.17 | Danar | when i start x it exits with this: xmodmap: commandline:1: bad number of buttons, must have 9 instead of 7 |
| 01:16.19 | seb- | help! 'could not open display' errors when doing plotting in cgi script. any ideas? |
| 01:16.25 | Danar | oops. ignore that |
| 01:16.37 | sobersabre | nope/ |
| 01:16.46 | JackBlack | ok |
| 01:17.05 | JackBlack | does anyone have 3 to 4 minutes to give me some basic advice before I start install? |
| 01:17.09 | sobersabre | dvs cdrecord complains about controller not reporting something correctly. |
| 01:17.22 | JackBlack | I will uninstall windows and will have nothing but neinst cd soon |
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| 01:17.42 | dvs | sobersabre: as long as you can see the drive with "cdrecord -scanbus" you should be fine |
| 01:17.43 | liable | Danar: cplay |
| 01:18.04 | sobersabre | dvs i tried it doesn't work, i see no output. |
| 01:18.04 | JackBlack | someone pull me into your PM |
| 01:18.07 | JackBlack | come on.. |
| 01:18.14 | chealer | JackBlack: advice about what? |
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| 01:18.27 | JackBlack | instalation procedure |
| 01:18.35 | JackBlack | things I should know |
| 01:18.40 | sobersabre | it is ATAPI, not scsi, i am not supposed to run ide-scsi ... it is new times not... isn't it ? |
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| 01:18.53 | MrEntropy | chealer: ok, i've run the command "dpkg-reconfigure locales", i've selected the polish locale "pl_PL ISO-8859-2", and made it default. I then ran "locale -a" and "locale charmap", and everything looks sweet. But apache is still producing html with an english locale default. See, I have a test computer i installed with debian and chose all the polish locales during system install. On that computer the html and php pages sent to me by |
| 01:18.53 | MrEntropy | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.55 | liable | JackBlack: theres a fairly comprehensive installation guide at debian.org |
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| 01:19.01 | redphoenix1 | arg |
| 01:19.03 | redphoenix1 | this sux |
| 01:19.08 | sobersabre | dvs ... ideas ? |
| 01:19.12 | redphoenix1 | i cant boot up anymore |
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| 01:19.16 | dvs | sobersabre: No. |
| 01:19.16 | phu | system mis-think cross-compiling when I try to compile on mips device |
| 01:19.16 | JackBlack | I want "quicktips" |
| 01:19.18 | phobo | what's the process for compiling someting (i.e. writing make) but against a kernel not on my machine? specifically i want to compile a newer e1000 net driver for a 2.6.15 kernel but compile it on my 2.4.27 box (the 2.6 box has no intenet connection yet....) |
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| 01:19.28 | JackBlack | how much "swap"? |
| 01:19.38 | redphoenix1 | and im on knoppix and i cant figure out how to look at my roots dmeseg |
| 01:19.44 | chealer | JackBlack: what about the default? |
| 01:19.46 | sobersabre | dvs, so shall I configure ide-scsi emulation ? |
| 01:19.56 | JackBlack | <chealer> sounds good |
| 01:20.03 | MrEntropy | chealer: the main machine was installed with english localed during os install |
| 01:20.05 | dvs | sobersabre: You don't need that stuff with 2.6 |
| 01:20.35 | sobersabre | the strange thing is: drive can read CDs |
| 01:21.02 | JackBlack | is it true there is a linux out there u can run from CD? |
| 01:21.07 | chealer | MrEntropy: are you sure this isn't an Apache config issue? |
| 01:21.16 | phobo | JackBlack: knoppix |
| 01:21.21 | chealer | !tell JackBlack about u |
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| 01:21.47 | JackBlack | ok you |
| 01:21.51 | MrEntropy | chealer: if it is, then debian must have done something to the apache configs that has to do with locales |
| 01:22.02 | JackBlack | should i get knoppix? |
| 01:22.11 | dvs | sobersabre: Reading is no problem. The writing used to be very tricky but 2.6.8 and newer made it easier |
| 01:22.22 | amphi | JackBlack: there are many livecd distros |
| 01:22.29 | liable | JackBlack: if you want to give linux a try before installing, sure. |
| 01:22.29 | JackBlack | weird.. |
| 01:22.35 | dvs | JackBlack: Why not? I use it when I have problems with my system. |
| 01:22.38 | ke6isf | OK, finally got that camera to mount after a reboot, but when I unplugged it, my system wedged hard (note, previously a digital camera would not automount on a USB plugin). What did I do wrong, and what do I do to prevent that in the future? |
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| 01:22.46 | JackBlack | it does not need any resources? |
| 01:22.47 | seb- | can someone decode apache error snippet at http://pastebin.com/555277 please |
| 01:22.52 | JackBlack | I mean HD resources? |
| 01:22.57 | rodrigo | what package do I have to install to enable windows networking |
| 01:23.04 | amphi | rodrigo: samba |
| 01:23.07 | chealer | JackBlack: it depends what you want to do. if you're going to uninstall windows, that would probably leave you with no OS on your HD...there's a reason OS usually run from HD instead of CD |
| 01:23.09 | dvs | JackBlack: nope |
| 01:23.30 | gentgeen__ | JackBlack, Here is a list of ALL live CDs http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php |
| 01:23.34 | JackBlack | is theer a Debian "live" cd version? |
| 01:23.40 | gentgeen__ | well Ok, maybe not all but most |
| 01:23.41 | chealer | JackBlack: no |
| 01:23.41 | dvs | JackBlack: nope |
| 01:23.45 | liable | ke6isf: what mounted it? i know that you should run sync if you use usbmount, but it shouldnt lock your system |
| 01:23.48 | JackBlack | Damn it!.. iw ant debian |
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| 01:23.53 | gentgeen__ | JackBlack, not PURE debian |
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| 01:24.07 | JackBlack | what is most similar? |
| 01:24.07 | gentgeen__ | then you need to be prepared to read :-) |
| 01:24.29 | JackBlack | I ned damn windows because of photoshop.. macromedia.. etc. |
| 01:24.38 | chealer | seb-: looks like a problem with the script |
| 01:24.42 | JackBlack | I hate microsoft! |
| 01:25.00 | phobo | JackBlack: have both then--there are many ways. one simple one is to dual boot |
| 01:25.16 | FreeOne3000 | Another is wine... |
| 01:25.17 | seb- | chealer: why say that? |
| 01:25.20 | JackBlack | sounds good |
| 01:25.24 | gentgeen__ | JackBlack, use alternate apps.... not sure why anyone would NEED photoshop |
| 01:25.36 | seb- | gimp! |
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| 01:25.44 | chealer | seb-: I'm not an expert. you may want to ask #apache |
| 01:25.46 | JackBlack | wel.. lets agree gimp can not come close to photoshop.. |
| 01:25.54 | liable | well, if your a pro, i dont think the gimp is quite up to it. |
| 01:26.15 | gentgeen__ | JackBlack, Agreed, but still can't see what Photoshop would offer that GIMP would not for 90% of people |
| 01:26.19 | gentgeen__ | you pro???? |
| 01:26.26 | JackBlack | no |
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| 01:26.44 | JackBlack | but it's like driving a BMW even though you are not a racer |
| 01:26.59 | amphi | JackBlack: unless you need pantone or summat, they're pretty much equivalent I believe |
| 01:27.02 | gentgeen__ | Then GIMP will do it for you... just a matter of retraining your brain .. Just like you will have to do to run Linux |
| 01:27.20 | JackBlack | I will do Dual boot |
| 01:27.22 | ke6isf | liable: Not sure what mounted it, actually - what should I look for? |
| 01:27.27 | JackBlack | sounds like a good solution |
| 01:27.36 | liable | ke6isf: you have gnome? |
| 01:27.49 | JackBlack | out of all live cd versions.. what would u fellows recomend? |
| 01:27.58 | ke6isf | liable: Yeah |
| 01:28.09 | odla | JackBlack: dsl |
| 01:28.12 | JoshH | Danar: you still here? i got my mouse working |
| 01:28.17 | Danar | JoshH: yep |
| 01:28.19 | ipecac | i like kanotix |
| 01:28.24 | liable | ke6isf: hald/gnome volume manager iirc |
| 01:28.32 | gentgeen__ | JackBlack, see http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software or http://www.linux.ie/newusers/alternatives.php or http://web.mit.edu/ist/topics/linux/equivalents.html |
| 01:28.43 | JoshH | try leaving your xorg.conf the way you had it, but try xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 8 9 4 5 6 7 10 11" |
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| 01:29.07 | JackBlack | thanks |
| 01:29.13 | ke6isf | liable: I'll look at that. I take it it's pointless to umount the camera before doing that? |
| 01:29.13 | liable | ok, gotta clean the house :( |
| 01:29.17 | gentgeen__ | JackBlack, if you are looking to run photoshop, macromedia $SOMETHING and linux.... LiveCD does not sound like a "fun" way to go |
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| 01:29.44 | gentgeen__ | Dual boot + Wine might/should work well |
| 01:29.47 | liable | ke6isf: i not sure how it works actually, i dont use it. not sure if you need to umount or not. sorry |
| 01:30.05 | JackBlack | talk to u guys later |
| 01:30.06 | liable | ke6isf: probably with a right click> |
| 01:30.07 | liable | ? |
| 01:30.12 | JackBlack | you all rock! |
| 01:30.14 | gentgeen__ | LiveCD you will spend 1/2 your time looking at a shutdown/reboot screen |
| 01:30.24 | JackBlack | I love Austin powes movie :) |
| 01:30.24 | dvs | JackBlack: Bye |
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| 01:30.42 | Danar | JoshH: no good. anything i put for an xmodmap line results in it complaining about not enough buttons |
| 01:30.43 | JackBlack | fat bastard is my hero |
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| 01:30.50 | JackBlack | :) |
| 01:30.51 | JackBlack | bye |
| 01:30.57 | JoshH | Danar: you have all 11 buttons in the xmodmap line/ |
| 01:30.58 | JoshH | ? |
| 01:31.02 | Danar | JoshH: and right now, i can get rid of that error by commenting it out, but x still won't start |
| 01:31.08 | Danar | JoshH: yes |
| 01:31.13 | sandman | What's a good free music production software? |
| 01:31.28 | Danar | JoshH: right now, x exits without error :/ |
| 01:31.38 | JoshH | i have Option "Buttons" "7" in my xorg.conf, but 11 buttons in my xmodmap command, if i try any other number i get that error too |
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| 01:32.19 | Danar | JoshH: i've tried that. but that's not the problem right now |
| 01:32.25 | gentgeen__ | Danar, sorry to interupt... you got an 11 button mouse???? |
| 01:32.30 | JoshH | ok |
| 01:32.31 | Danar | gentgeen__: nope |
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| 01:32.51 | JoshH | gentgeen__: xorg 6.9 detects logitech mice as 11 buttons now |
| 01:32.58 | Danar | gentgeen__: but x kept exiting with xmodmap complaing that there weren't 11 buttons defined |
| 01:33.08 | JoshH | (**) Configured Mouse: Buttons: 11 |
| 01:33.10 | dvs | JoshH: Not mine |
| 01:33.13 | dvs | Oh? |
| 01:33.19 | JoshH | mine is an mx700 |
| 01:33.31 | Danar | and mine's an mx500 |
| 01:33.37 | Anthro | I have a Cisco VPN client for Windows for work. Since all I need it for is remote desktop, I figure I could VPN on Linux just as easily and use rdesktop. Does anyone know how to get the necessary information from my installed VPN client to use with vpnc? |
| 01:33.42 | dvs | (**) Configured Mouse: Buttons: 9 |
| 01:33.45 | dvs | Wah! |
| 01:33.48 | JoshH | heh, weird |
| 01:33.58 | dvs | Logitech MX510 |
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| 01:34.07 | Danar | yeh, mine said 9 after i changed the zaxis line |
| 01:34.15 | Danar | to 4 5, from 6 7 |
| 01:34.16 | dippo | anyone know why a woody box would be telling me that aptitude "has no installation candidate"? |
| 01:34.19 | phobo | what's the process for compiling someting (i.e. running "make") but against a kernel not on my machine? specifically i want to compile a newer e1000 net driver for a 2.6.15 kernel but compile it on my 2.4.27 box (the 2.6 box has no internet connection yet....) |
| 01:34.22 | JoshH | your side buttons and wheel both working in 6.9? |
| 01:34.45 | dvs | JoshH: Nope |
| 01:34.54 | dvs | JoshH: Just the wheel |
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| 01:35.36 | Danar | i've had the wheel working fine |
| 01:35.44 | Danar | but couldn't get the side buttons right |
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| 01:36.20 | dvs | My top buttons almost works but they highlight text when it scrolls. |
| 01:36.32 | cheal | Anthro: which information do you need exactly? do you already know some of it? |
| 01:37.02 | gentgeen__ | You have a 7 button? I have mine (MS trackball) configured with 7 buttons, then use imwheel for the "thumb" buttons |
| 01:37.21 | Danar | yeh, i used 7 buttons before the upgrade |
| 01:37.32 | JoshH | dvs: try this and see if it works: http://pastebin.com/555295 |
| 01:37.33 | aaronlin | hi all; I am running Debian, but my current computer has very limited memory. What is the script that runs when my computer boots up; I want to remove some programs from automatically loading |
| 01:37.38 | Danar | it technically has 8, but it doesn't work. linux sees it as button 1 |
| 01:37.59 | pass | anybody running LIDS? |
| 01:38.22 | cheal | aaronlin: there are several scripts that run. how much memory do you have? |
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| 01:38.24 | bbrazil | phobo: should be the exact same (assuming same arch) |
| 01:38.50 | aaronlin | I have 128 MB. Right now, I am probably running into a few MB in swap because I have firefox on. |
| 01:38.50 | gentgeen__ | button 1,2,3 and scroll wheel are configured by X and the imwheel handles the config for the thumb buttons. Really great cause it lets me map 6 & 7 to different keys based on app window |
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| 01:39.17 | aaronlin | cheal: I think that, if I remove a few programs from automatically launching, I can get the total memory usage down to about 100 MB. |
| 01:39.25 | aaronlin | that would give me a comfortable working space. |
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| 01:39.37 | sobersabre | dvs guess how I got this problem ? |
| 01:39.47 | Danar | i need to figure out why x won't start before i can fix my mouse though |
| 01:39.52 | Anthro | cheal: What I know is the host, group name, and group password. I don't know if I need any other information that might be embedded in the client install. |
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| 01:40.02 | aaronlin | cheal: can you name the several scripts & which ones do you recommend I look into? |
| 01:40.02 | cheal | aaronlin: which window manager/DE do you use? |
| 01:40.03 | dvs | sobersabre: Wrong drive? |
| 01:40.08 | aaronlin | I'm using Blackbox WM |
| 01:40.22 | dvs | JoshH: I changed the file and I guess I have to restart X |
| 01:40.39 | gentgeen__ | Danar, I have zasismapping = "4 5" and buttons = "7" -- have you tried that?? |
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| 01:41.05 | gentgeen__ | sorry for the simple question, have come in late :-) |
| 01:41.07 | Danar | gentgeen__: not sure |
| 01:41.11 | cheal | aaronlin: look in /etc/init.d/. I don't recommend to look at anything in particular, unless you know you installed servers such as apache |
| 01:41.26 | aidan | is exim or postfix more widely used? |
| 01:41.35 | Danar | gentgeen__: i'd like to try it though.. |
| 01:41.37 | Anthro | aidan: exim4 is the Debian default. |
| 01:41.42 | sobersabre | i chat to this guy with this problem, and then I checked the model: it is a CDROM. I almost made it burn something.... |
| 01:41.47 | gentgeen__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.47 | gentgeen__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.47 | gentgeen__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.47 | gentgeen__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:41.47 | cheal | aaronlin: I guess it's quite normal to pretty much fill 128 MB if you have Firefox running |
| 01:41.50 | aaronlin | cheal: thanks |
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| 01:42.12 | aaronlin | cheal: Yeah, but it's hard to live without it. I've tried other browsers, but the only thing that comes close is dillo, but I couldn't enable SSL on it so I can't check gmail. |
| 01:42.29 | gentgeen__ | sorry for the flood... did not mean to do that in this window |
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| 01:42.57 | aaronlin | cheal: everything in that folder is a script? So if I want to stop the program from running, I just remove the file? |
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| 01:43.05 | dvs | JoshH: Nope. No difference. |
| 01:43.06 | cheal | aaronlin: I don't know what similarly usable browser I could recommend if you don't run KDE or gnome |
| 01:43.12 | gentgeen__ | aaronlin, I know Dillo has a "hack" for ssl (used it before) but not sure where/how at this point |
| 01:43.36 | aaronlin | yeah, I tried it before by manually compiling, but I'm not very tech savvy. |
| 01:43.42 | aaronlin | couldn't get it to work. |
| 01:43.44 | cheal | aaronlin: I think it would do that, but the cleanest way would be to use update-rc.d. they're all scripts, yes (except README I suppose) |
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| 01:44.34 | Danar | how can i figure out what's preventing x from starting? there's no EE errors |
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| 01:44.47 | dvs | Danar: There must be if X isn't starting. |
| 01:44.57 | Danar | dvs: there isn't |
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| 01:45.11 | aidan | my host put postfix on my box, I'll stick with exim, how do I remove postfix? apt-get remove postfix wants to remove "at, mysql-server, mailx and postfix" |
| 01:45.15 | aaronlin | cheal: are any of these scripts critical? |
| 01:45.24 | Anthro | aidan: apt-get install exim4 |
| 01:45.27 | aaronlin | ie, if I play around and delete stuff, will my system still boot properly? |
| 01:45.29 | cheal | aaronlin: pretty much, yes |
| 01:45.31 | gentgeen__ | aaronlin, yes some are |
| 01:45.36 | Anthro | aidan: postfix will be removed automatically. |
| 01:45.41 | Andi_ | hi... my hd is sata... i am triing to install Debian Br CDD 1.0 Pre5, but the instalation stops on SCSI disk sd_mod |
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| 01:46.02 | Danar | dvs: there's some font warnings, then this: waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "unix/:7100" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 01:46.07 | sobersabre | dvs |
| 01:46.09 | Danar | that's it |
| 01:46.13 | dvs | sobersabre: Yes? |
| 01:46.15 | sobersabre | dvs: i chat to this guy with this problem, and then I checked the model: it is a CDROM. I almost made it burn something.... |
| 01:46.18 | cheal | aaronlin: you'd need some luck |
| 01:46.20 | Anthro | Andi_: Which install option are you using? |
| 01:46.33 | aaronlin | is klog anything important? |
| 01:46.37 | aaronlin | that sounds like something from KDE |
| 01:46.38 | dvs | lol |
| 01:46.43 | sobersabre | dvs the cdrecord problem... |
| 01:46.44 | Andi_ | Anthro im triing the default |
| 01:47.08 | amphi | sobersabre: heh |
| 01:47.11 | Anthro | Andi_: On my laptop with SATA I found that I could only install with a 2.4 kernel, but once the install had finished I could switch to a 2.6 kernel (after adjusting LILO). |
| 01:47.14 | gentgeen__ | Danar, do you have fonts set up ONLY by the server, if not comment out that line, and go for the hard linked |
| 01:47.16 | dvs | Danar: So it's still trying to shutdown the font server |
| 01:47.29 | cheal | aaronlin: k is often for KDE or kernel. if you don't run KDE, it leaves a good chance you shouldn't touch it |
| 01:47.33 | Andi_ | ok i will try Anthro |
| 01:47.36 | Andi_ | ty |
| 01:47.48 | Anthro | Andi_: Good luck |
| 01:47.51 | Danar | dvs: uh... so how does that help me? |
| 01:47.52 | aaronlin | cheal: ah, I see |
| 01:48.00 | aaronlin | ok, yeah, I guess there's not much I can do. |
| 01:48.01 | gentgeen__ | Danar, will show you any errors in the X log === grep -e EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:48.10 | Danar | gentgeen__: as i said, there are none |
| 01:48.13 | dvs | Danar: I'd hit Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to try and shut down the X server. |
| 01:48.16 | gentgeen__ | sorry |
| 01:48.28 | Danar | dvs: that only works when x is running |
| 01:48.36 | Danar | dvs: but i did anyway :p |
| 01:48.42 | gentgeen__ | maybe restart the font server by hand? |
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| 01:48.44 | tyler_ | i just created/saved a file that is readabl;e with gv.... how can i save this file in jpg format or any other format thats readle in windows? |
| 01:48.48 | Danar | gentgeen__: how? |
| 01:49.01 | gentgeen__ | /etc/init.d/FONTSERVER restart |
| 01:49.08 | gentgeen__ | I forget what the FONTSERVER is |
| 01:50.12 | Danar | gentgeen__: i see no likely candidates |
| 01:50.45 | DivineEntity | damn I feel like a retard, I have an apache server and the web directory is owned by apache with the group apache , I want to make the user daneil have rw without adding him to the group apache or changing the file's owner. |
| 01:51.14 | dondelelcaro | DivineEntity: change the group of the file |
| 01:51.29 | dondelelcaro | DivineEntity: or create another group to which apache and daneil belong |
| 01:51.33 | dvs | Danar: xfs? |
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| 01:52.07 | aidan | Anthro: wow, that is cool. What does "rc postfix" mean in dpkg --list |
| 01:52.09 | Danar | dvs: hm. wasn't running |
| 01:52.26 | dvs | Danar: That's what X said ;-) |
| 01:52.31 | Anthro | aidan: removed |
| 01:52.33 | Danar | dvs: still not working |
| 01:52.38 | Danar | dvs: same error |
| 01:52.48 | Anthro | aidan: rather, removed but config files are still there, I think. |
| 01:52.50 | DivineEntity | yeah that should work |
| 01:52.59 | dvs | Danar: What does /var/log/xfs.log say? |
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| 01:53.19 | aidan | Anthro: awesome |
| 01:53.28 | aidan | dpkg: tell me about php5 |
| 01:53.30 | Anthro | aidan: glad to help |
| 01:53.38 | Danar | dvs: nothing |
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| 01:54.32 | pest | ls |
| 01:54.38 | dvs | Danar: Shut it down with "/etc/init.d/xfs stop" and see if there is a /var/run/xfs.pid file |
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| 01:55.13 | pest | dpkg --revision pest2.6.15.4 -initrd kernel-image |
| 01:55.17 | micahf | how do I add a module at the startup? |
| 01:55.22 | Danar | dvs: i stopped it, but it said it's not running, even though i started it and there was no error |
| 01:55.24 | micahf | say eth1394? |
| 01:55.25 | dvs | micahf: Add the name to /etc/modules |
| 01:55.34 | micahf | that is a text file? |
| 01:55.46 | dvs | Danar: is there a /var/run/xfs.pid file when it's shut down |
| 01:55.50 | dvs | ? |
| 01:55.57 | Danar | dvs: nope |
| 01:55.57 | dvs | micahf: yes |
| 01:56.14 | dvs | Danar: Hmmm... I don't know then. |
| 01:56.21 | rodrigo | is there any good multi-protocol dockable IM client for gnome? |
| 01:57.42 | gentgeen__ | Danar, comment out the line that has FontPath "unix/:7100" |
| 01:57.58 | gentgeen__ | you should still have FontPath /usr/lib/X11/XXXXXX |
| 01:57.59 | Danar | gentgeen__: uh, where? |
| 01:58.05 | gentgeen__ | accually a lot of those |
| 01:58.12 | gentgeen__ | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:58.23 | Danar | gentgeen__: that one is output |
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| 01:58.48 | gentgeen__ | What is output? |
| 01:58.56 | Danar | er, nvm. it is there |
| 01:59.10 | gentgeen__ | put a # infront of it |
| 01:59.36 | gentgeen__ | rodrigo, what is wrong with GAIM??? |
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| 02:00.08 | Danar | gentgeen__: still doesn't work. still no errors |
| 02:00.25 | gentgeen__ | did you get the font error again??? |
| 02:00.29 | Danar | yes |
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| 02:01.01 | gentgeen__ | same one? still looking for "unix/:7xxx" |
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| 02:01.18 | gentgeen__ | since we commented it out, should not be looking anymore |
| 02:01.39 | tengulre11 | HI,ALL! i m backing!! say good to everyone! |
| 02:01.49 | Danar | waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 02:01.51 | dvs | Backing? |
| 02:01.58 | odla | say good to everyone? |
| 02:02.01 | odla | wtf |
| 02:02.06 | gentgeen__ | Danar, OK, try commenting out that line :-) |
| 02:02.08 | odla | dvs: good |
| 02:02.09 | s0even`kamrad | :) |
| 02:02.14 | odla | good everyone! |
| 02:02.19 | gentgeen__ | we are do a bit of troubleshooting now |
| 02:02.42 | tengulre11 | :) |
| 02:02.48 | buu | HELLO |
| 02:02.51 | Danar | Fatal server error: |
| 02:02.53 | Danar | could not open default font 'fixed'; |
| 02:03.01 | gentgeen__ | lol -- UGH |
| 02:03.28 | gentgeen__ | have you installed the font servers (xfs-xtt and xfstt are the two I have installed) |
| 02:03.47 | Danar | XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. |
| 02:03.53 | rodrigo | gentgeen__ is gaim dockable? |
| 02:03.59 | gentgeen__ | rodrigo, yes |
| 02:04.10 | rodrigo | :\ not in windows |
| 02:04.12 | gentgeen__ | if dockable = minimize to tray |
| 02:04.15 | rodrigo | nope |
| 02:04.26 | rodrigo | dock = paste it to the side of the screen |
| 02:04.28 | rodrigo | like ICQ |
| 02:04.30 | Anthro | Danar: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 02:04.53 | Anthro | rodrigo: Yes, it is. |
| 02:04.56 | gentgeen__ | rodrigo, what about making it "sticky" |
| 02:05.10 | gentgeen__ | not sure what Gnome calls it... I use blackbox |
| 02:05.12 | rodrigo | i'll try it then |
| 02:05.19 | Danar | gentgeen__: can't install xfs-tt, but install xfstt |
| 02:05.23 | Danar | *installing |
| 02:05.46 | Anthro | gentgeen__: stickiness is a function of the window manager, not the application. |
| 02:05.50 | jilocasin | 'evening all |
| 02:05.53 | eduboss | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=35252 |
| 02:05.59 | Anthro | Danar: seriously, apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 02:06.11 | gentgeen__ | I just remembered that I *think* one of the font servers changed ports. In my X.org config I have 7101 and 7110 |
| 02:06.11 | dvs | Anthro: But it's already installed |
| 02:06.21 | Anthro | dvs: What is already installed? |
| 02:06.25 | Danar | Anthro: uh, it was never removed |
| 02:06.33 | gentgeen__ | Anthro, right, but I was not sure how Gnome does a "sticky" window if it does at all |
| 02:06.38 | dvs | Anthro: x-window-system-core. |
| 02:06.49 | Anthro | Danar: If it were properly installed, the fixed font would not be missing. |
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| 02:07.03 | Danar | Anthro: it's not |
| 02:07.24 | Danar | Anthro: it just thought it was because gentgeen__ had me comment out a line |
| 02:07.25 | phobo | what's the process for compiling someting (i.e. running "make") but against a kernel not on my machine? specifically i want to compile a newer e1000 net driver for a 2.6.15 kernel but compile it on my 2.4.27 box (the 2.6 box has no internet connection yet....) [using the file directly gives "insmod -1 invalid module format"] |
| 02:07.33 | Anthro | Danar Fatal server error: |
| 02:07.33 | Anthro | Danar could not open default font 'fixed'; |
| 02:07.44 | Anthro | Oh, I see, sorry. |
| 02:07.48 | dvs | phobo: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 02:07.49 | jilocasin | can anyone point me in the right direction, trying to mount a vfat partition so that my non-root account can access it. I've got the mounting part ok, but only root has permissions. mount -t vfat /dev/hdb5 /win/z -o rw,auto,conv=b,noexec,async,gid=1000,uid=1000 |
| 02:07.52 | tuv | why are people always suggesting using userspace cpufreq tools? |
| 02:08.11 | Danar | Anthro: i cant start x, and it's not giving any EE errors, only font stuff |
| 02:08.15 | Danar | and it wasn't before... |
| 02:08.24 | Anthro | Danar: Bizarre. What X server? |
| 02:08.27 | Danar | xorg |
| 02:08.41 | Danar | my problems started when i upgraded stuff (testing) |
| 02:08.44 | gentgeen__ | Danar, take out the comments then try unix/:7101 and if not unix/7110 |
| 02:08.56 | Anthro | Danar: Ah, that will kill you every time. |
| 02:09.01 | gentgeen__ | unix/:7110 |
| 02:09.21 | Danar | gentgeen__: nope |
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| 02:09.35 | gentgeen__ | I remember doing an upgrade and having to change 7100 to something else, but forget which one did the trick |
| 02:09.46 | gentgeen__ | guess neither worked for you then :-( sorry |
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| 02:10.11 | tuv | i upgraded and didn't need to touch any conffile ! |
| 02:10.19 | Danar | gentgeen__: although it took longer for it to exit |
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| 02:10.43 | gentgeen__ | Danar, that MIGHT be a good sign (snicker) |
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| 02:12.48 | Danar | :( |
| 02:13.10 | gentgeen__ | Now that I look closer, I ONLY have FontPath "unix/:7110" == the other one is commented out |
| 02:13.43 | Danar | waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 02:14.08 | Uberriffic | i've got two ethernet adapters on my system. I'd like to utilize my second one. It is recognized, but I can't seem to get it to function correctly |
| 02:14.18 | tuv | anything wrong with ondemand or conservative governors that people are always using userspace? |
| 02:14.44 | Uberriffic | i created a config for it in my /etc/network/interfaces file, but ifup eth1 just says "sit0: unknown hard address type 776" |
| 02:15.03 | gentgeen__ | Danar, really odd idea -- do ls /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/ -- and see if you get anything at all |
| 02:15.12 | rodrigo | gaim installed |
| 02:15.17 | rodrigo | how do I dock it now? |
| 02:15.20 | Danar | lots |
| 02:15.33 | gentgeen__ | Danar, ok, good |
| 02:16.14 | gentgeen__ | do you see fonts.alias and fonts.dir?? |
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| 02:16.31 | cheal | tuv: what could there be wrong? |
| 02:16.52 | Danar | yeh |
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| 02:17.57 | tuv | cheal: i don't know, but i never ran into any document that suggests using anything but userspace together with some utility, e.g. powernowd or dyncpu... |
| 02:18.13 | gentgeen__ | rodrigo, if you want to do the "sticky" thing, you would have to check with Gnome info/docs for how to make a window sticky |
| 02:18.45 | tuv | cheal: i just tried ondemand and conservative, with powersave on battery using laptop-mode. looks perfect to me! |
| 02:18.52 | jilocasin | nevermind, I got it |
| 02:19.41 | gentgeen__ | Danar, try grep -e fixed /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.xxx on both files. Make sure that the xserver knows what to use for the fixed font |
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| 02:20.21 | cheal | tuv: it can't be perfect, but I don't see how it could be "wrong" |
| 02:20.50 | Danar | gentgeen__: both gave a bunch of output, but nothing that helps me |
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| 02:21.17 | gentgeen__ | as long as there is output, should mean the font server knows what to use for "fixed" |
| 02:21.37 | tuv | cheal: well, i didn't mean "wrong" like "error", but was wondering what's with them that no guide says anything about them. |
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| 02:21.58 | Guerin | tuv: seems you're in virgin territory. |
| 02:22.13 | cheal | tuv: as I said, they can't be perfect, so userspace may well be generally better |
| 02:22.14 | Guerin | tuv: go forth and explore, and document your findings. |
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| 02:23.47 | tuv | Guerin: nothing much to say. i just like to get the most running time possible while on battery, so i use powersave on battery and ondemand on ac. |
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| 02:24.49 | tuv | Guerin: and laptop-mode can switch between them automatically depending on the ac status |
| 02:25.25 | gentgeen__ | Danar, what does the "PORT=" line say in /etc/init.d/xfs-xtt?? |
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| 02:25.48 | dvs | !lart winXperts |
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| 02:25.56 | tuv | i think whoever is running a machine without running gkrellm has never known about gkrellm.. that's the only reason i can think of |
| 02:26.21 | phobo | dvs: would i use module-assistant on the machine _making_ the e1000.o file, or one the trying to _insmod_ the module? |
| 02:26.33 | gentgeen__ | tuv, I did not run it for years, on an older macine that I did not want to run anything not necessary :-) |
| 02:26.37 | tuv | i feel like i'm blind when i have to work on a machine without gkrellm |
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| 02:27.13 | tuv | gentgeen__: that' another good reason :) |
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| 02:27.22 | EBisumaru | this channel is ridiculous |
| 02:27.26 | Danar | gentgeen__: wrong file, but 7101 |
| 02:27.26 | EBisumaru | Holy shit. |
| 02:27.29 | EBisumaru | Holy SHIT. |
| 02:27.48 | gentgeen__ | OK, definitally make your config file say unix:/7101 |
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| 02:28.13 | gentgeen__ | what file btw |
| 02:28.29 | Danar | waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
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| 02:28.42 | Danar | /etc/init.d/xfstt |
| 02:28.51 | grendelson | While I have no idea why cfv is insisting I install bittorrent(an older version than what I have ) how do I get cfv without torrent - do I have to downlaod and dpkg package alone? |
| 02:28.55 | tuv | so debian supports nslu2 now, eh? |
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| 02:29.09 | gentgeen__ | and what happens when you do a "/etc/init.d/xfstt restart" ? |
| 02:29.12 | winXperts | OUCH |
| 02:29.50 | Danar | gentgeen__: stopping.. reloading.. starting. no errors |
| 02:30.19 | rodrigo | what do I have to do to make my sound work? |
| 02:30.20 | Danar | gentgeen__: x still doesn't work |
| 02:30.24 | gentgeen__ | Danar, check /var/log/xxx syslog and message ... see if any there |
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| 02:30.59 | tuv | rodrigo: what exactly is your problem? |
| 02:31.29 | AceSmythe | what should I get |
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| 02:31.52 | gentgeen__ | AceSmythe, Thinkpad |
| 02:31.56 | gentgeen__ | imho |
| 02:32.15 | IdahoEv | AceSmythe: http://tinyurl.com/c55xy |
| 02:32.16 | tuv | AceSmythe: centrino products are pretty much well-supported in linux. i'm running debian on a toshiba and ubuntu on a vaio |
| 02:32.35 | IdahoEv | :-) |
| 02:32.47 | Danar | gentgeen__: can't find anything |
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| 02:33.19 | gentgeen__ | Danar, here is google search on your error -- http://www.nabble.com/cannot-start-x---ThinkPad-T42-t961936.html |
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| 02:33.42 | rodrigo | tuv i get no sound at all |
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| 02:33.46 | AceSmythe | IdahoEv: i'm not going mac |
| 02:33.52 | AceSmythe | i like 2 buttons built in |
| 02:33.55 | Danar | gentgeen__: erm, do you know how to paste into and from elinks? |
| 02:34.03 | IdahoEv | Iknow, you're asking for debian |
| 02:34.04 | AceSmythe | plus, IMB does have that little rubber nub mouse thinggy |
| 02:34.08 | Danar | gentgeen__: i don't want to have to type that :/ |
| 02:34.15 | IdahoEv | I'm just being a dork. ;-P |
| 02:34.24 | gentgeen__ | [SMILE] sorry, NO IDEA |
| 02:34.33 | AceSmythe | gentgeen__: which thinkpad? |
| 02:34.41 | AceSmythe | (and does it run nVidia?) |
| 02:34.41 | tuv | rodrigo: what is your sound chip? do you have a driver loaded? what application is incapable of accessing sound?... etc. |
| 02:35.18 | IdahoEv | AceSmythe: One of the guys I work with swears by these: http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html |
| 02:35.28 | phu | anyone know about mips cross compiling? |
| 02:35.31 | rodrigo | i have an onboard sound chip, i don't know about the driver and no application has sound |
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| 02:35.41 | Danar | gentgeen__: gimme the gist of it? |
| 02:35.43 | gentgeen__ | AceSmythe, I personally LOVE them all, and have NEVER had any trouble getting Linux on one that I have owned |
| 02:35.48 | gentgeen__ | Owned 3 total |
| 02:36.02 | gentgeen__ | Danar, reading/reviewing now :-) |
| 02:36.15 | phu | or anyone installl Madwifi on debian before for mips arch? |
| 02:36.16 | AceSmythe | i'm not a big hardware guy, i just want it to be not-broken like my current systems |
| 02:36.40 | AceSmythe | requirments: nVidia, pc based, black, wont kill my bank acct |
| 02:36.50 | dvs | rodrigo: lspci | grep audio |
| 02:36.53 | AceSmythe | oh yes: compatible with debian |
| 02:36.57 | tuv | rodrigo: try lspci and look for a sound chip. does "lsmod | grep snd" return anything? what application are you using to test whether there is sound or not/ |
| 02:36.59 | gentgeen__ | P.S. -- and I hate the touchpads, prefer the "eraser tops" :-) |
| 02:37.10 | AceSmythe | i LOVE the nav stick |
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| 02:37.17 | AceSmythe | (or rubber nub thinggy) |
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| 02:37.21 | cheal | !tell madgik85 about away |
| 02:37.22 | rodrigo | i tried with a few games, a sound player, etc |
| 02:37.24 | gentgeen__ | Danar, are you using a Radeon card? |
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| 02:37.33 | Danar | gentgeen__: yes.. |
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| 02:38.17 | gentgeen__ | :-) That is what this tread mentions -- Radeon driver is broken in Xorg 6.9 with Debian... |
| 02:38.18 | sanmarcos | how can I check if my card is working at 100mbps ethernet? |
| 02:38.30 | gentgeen__ | can you go back to 6.8.?? -- what ever it was? |
| 02:38.35 | rodrigo | tuv snd_via82xx 28132 0 |
| 02:38.35 | rodrigo | snd_ac97_codec 68612 1 snd_via82xx |
| 02:38.35 | rodrigo | snd_pcm 94220 1 snd_via82xx |
| 02:38.35 | rodrigo | snd_timer 23816 1 snd_pcm |
| 02:38.35 | rodrigo | snd_page_alloc 12432 2 snd_via82xx,snd_pcm |
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| 02:38.56 | gentgeen__ | others saying they went to the vesa driver for a temp fix |
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| 02:39.05 | tuv | rodrigo: which sound player. please try to be more specific |
| 02:39.13 | Danar | gentgeen__: uh, i wasn't having this problem the first dozen times i restarted x after upgrading |
| 02:39.21 | dvs | rodrigo: I bet there's no snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:39.25 | AceSmythe | laundry list: running sarge debian, possible dual boot win2k pro, must have nVidia vid card, pc based, not /too/ expencive |
| 02:39.39 | gentgeen__ | Danar, Downgrading to 6.8.2 fixed the problem. I'm going to be keeping a |
| 02:39.39 | gentgeen__ | backup copy of xserver-xorg_6.8.2.dfsg.1-11_i386.deb around for a |
| 02:39.39 | gentgeen__ | while until the latest Debian unstable xserver is usable again |
| 02:39.44 | rodrigo | http://pastebin.com/555353 |
| 02:40.01 | rodrigo | result of lsmod | grep snd |
| 02:40.15 | Azar | adduser audio, instruct your media player to use alsa |
| 02:40.23 | Azar | plugin |
| 02:40.28 | Azar | sound |
| 02:40.46 | rodrigo | i'm using Music Player |
| 02:40.55 | Azar | bah use xmms man :) |
| 02:41.04 | dvs | yeah! |
| 02:41.07 | Danar | gentgeen__: i'm using testing, not unstable |
| 02:41.08 | tuv | gentgeen__: xorg 6.9 is in testing now. it's working for me with a radeon. i'm not sure whether i restarted X since the upgrade though |
| 02:41.16 | rodrigo | I installed debian today |
| 02:41.32 | Azar | rodrigo, whenever you feel like apt-get install xmms |
| 02:41.38 | rodrigo | ok |
| 02:41.48 | rodrigo | i'll do it later |
| 02:41.50 | Danar | i've restarted it about a dozen times trying to get my mouse working right, and it wasn't until after that it stopped working |
| 02:41.51 | Azar | then configure it to use ALSA plugin in configuration |
| 02:42.03 | Danar | i think it's something in my xorg.conf or something |
| 02:42.12 | benjamindees | what is a .pro file and how do I use it to compile something? |
| 02:42.14 | rodrigo | and how do I make the sound to work games |
| 02:42.26 | gentgeen__ | Someone else says try removing acpid |
| 02:42.29 | tuv | rodrigo: go to "Desktop -> Preferences -> Multimedia systems selector" and choose alsa |
| 02:42.31 | dvs | rodrigo: I bet there's no snd_pcm_oss |
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| 02:42.36 | gentgeen__ | removing/disableing |
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| 02:43.31 | tuv | rodrigo: and/or "modprobe snd_pcm_oss" as a root, like dvs suggested |
| 02:43.44 | Azar | rodrigo use the paster and show dvs there all you got as sound modules |
| 02:43.50 | gentgeen__ | Danar, that was for you btw (sorry did not address it) |
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| 02:44.07 | rodrigo | in Multimedia systems selector |
| 02:44.16 | rodrigo | osssink is the default sink |
| 02:44.26 | gentgeen__ | Danar, but then again, that might be just for the thinkpad that this thread is about |
| 02:44.26 | Azar | not good |
| 02:44.32 | tuv | rodrigo: well, change it to alsa |
| 02:44.43 | SperMite | im trying to extract a .Zip file and i have unzip installed but i keep getting " The utility zip is not in your PATH. " |
| 02:44.46 | zoinks | has anyone encountered a bug where after upgrading from sarge/testing to sid and rebooting, booting suddenly halts with something like: /dev/hda1 does not exist, Dropping to a shell! |
| 02:44.51 | rodrigo | I changed to alsa then I get an error when clicking on Test |
| 02:45.14 | dvs | rodrigo: Ah. Are you part of the audio group? |
| 02:45.17 | Danar | gentgeen__: i think so |
| 02:45.18 | daft | zoinks there seems to be a bug in the program that creates initrd |
| 02:45.28 | zoinks | daft that's what a google groups post i read said |
| 02:45.29 | rodrigo | Failed to construct test pipeline for ALSA - Advanced Blah blah |
| 02:45.35 | zoinks | i'm wondering if anyone knows a workaround |
| 02:45.40 | rodrigo | dvs how do I check that? |
| 02:45.43 | daft | make a kernel with out initrd |
| 02:45.53 | dvs | rodrigo: groups |
| 02:45.57 | gentgeen__ | The only thing I see on that thread is going to vesa driver instead of the Radeon |
| 02:45.59 | dvs | type that in a command line |
| 02:46.06 | gentgeen__ | you can try that and at least see if it works |
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| 02:46.44 | horchata | suppose that i stupidly broke libgcc1 AND did rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgcc1* trying to fix it |
| 02:46.45 | rodrigo | yes I am |
| 02:46.54 | tuv | rodrigo: just in case, do "killall esd" |
| 02:46.57 | Danar | gentgeen__: i'm quite certain that has nothing to do with it |
| 02:47.12 | horchata | how might i go about re-downloading and fixing it? |
| 02:47.21 | gentgeen__ | Danar, does not make much sense to me either, but it worked for them :-) |
| 02:47.29 | Danar | gentgeen__: else it wouldn't have worked right after i upgraded and rebooted. or the many times i restarted x after that |
| 02:47.37 | rodrigo | esd: no process killed |
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| 02:48.16 | gentgeen__ | Danar, true..... |
| 02:48.44 | Azar | maybe he stillhas the osd in /etc/modules |
| 02:48.49 | Azar | *oss |
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| 02:49.02 | Danar | gentgeen__: the only thing that's changed is that i've been messing with config files to get my mouse working |
| 02:49.22 | Danar | gentgeen__: mainly xorg.conf, but also .Xmodmap, and .xinitrc |
| 02:49.41 | Azar | rodrigo there is a file /etc/modules that might show via82xx_audio, you should remove that and replace it with snd_via82xx |
| 02:50.31 | tuv | rodrigo: what do you get from "lsmod | grep via"? |
| 02:50.49 | rodrigo | modules file: |
| 02:50.51 | gentgeen__ | maybe move .Xmodmap and comment out most of .xinitrc |
| 02:50.54 | rodrigo | ide-cd |
| 02:50.54 | rodrigo | ide-disk |
| 02:50.54 | rodrigo | ide-generic |
| 02:50.55 | rodrigo | psmouse |
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| 02:50.59 | Supaplex | ha |
| 02:51.01 | Danar | gentgeen__: i did |
| 02:51.02 | Supaplex | I called it! :P |
| 02:51.03 | dvs | That's a second time! |
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| 02:51.08 | tuv | dvs: apps should work with alsa without the oss emulation, shouldn't they? |
| 02:51.12 | Supaplex | !tell rodrigo about paste |
| 02:51.17 | Azar | dvs I do not see snd-pcm-oss in my /etc/module list only snd-pcm.. |
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| 02:51.26 | dvs | tuv: yeah, but so many programs still use oss |
| 02:51.34 | gentgeen__ | do you have an xorg.conf that was working from before??? maybe a backup? |
| 02:51.41 | Danar | gentgeen__: that's when it stopped complaining about the number of buttons and simply exited without error (except the font one, which was there before) |
| 02:51.44 | dvs | Azar: I was talking about rodrigo |
| 02:51.53 | Azar | dvs ah.. sorry |
| 02:51.54 | rodrigo | just inserted snd_via82xx in the modules file |
| 02:51.54 | tuv | dvs: Music Player, i.e. rhythmox, follows gstreamer's sink |
| 02:52.04 | dvs | Azar: but snd_pcm_oss is still a good idea |
| 02:52.07 | Supaplex | and ide-cd isn't what grep would print from that commandline. |
| 02:52.20 | Azar | dvs, thanks for the hint, good to know |
| 02:52.34 | gentgeen__ | BRB... got to but some kids to bed :-) |
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| 02:52.51 | Danar | gentgeen__: gotta put me to sleep in a minut too :/ |
| 02:52.53 | Azar | dvs does he have to reboot or init, after editing /det/modules? |
| 02:52.55 | Danar | e |
| 02:53.04 | dvs | Azar: No |
| 02:53.10 | tuv | Supaplex: probably it's dependant on the chipset module |
| 02:53.27 | Azar | dvs so how he can load the alsa modules ? |
| 02:53.37 | dvs | Azar: modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:54.15 | rodrigo | modprobe snd_pcm_oss gave no output |
| 02:54.17 | tuv | dvs: besides, oss allows only one process to access the sound device |
| 02:54.23 | dvs | rodrigo: that's good |
| 02:54.34 | rodrigo | what do I do now? |
| 02:54.40 | dvs | rodrigo: try the sound now |
| 02:54.42 | SperMite | im trying to extract a .Zip file and i have unzip installed but i keep getting " The utility zip is not in your PATH. " |
| 02:54.59 | Azar | also he might have alsamixer muted.. |
| 02:55.03 | tuv | SperMite: install zip |
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| 02:55.05 | rodrigo | in thge Multimedia Selector, OSS selected, no sound yet :( |
| 02:55.11 | Supaplex | SperMite: unzip and zip are different packages |
| 02:55.20 | rodrigo | and the same error with alsa |
| 02:55.34 | Azar | rodrigo there is no sense to use OSS in your multimedia selector : switch it to ALSA |
| 02:55.38 | SperMite | im pretty sure i have zip installed also but ill double check |
| 02:55.49 | rodrigo | it's on alsa now |
| 02:55.58 | rodrigo | but it gives an error when testing |
| 02:55.59 | tuv | rodrigo: did you check your mixerF? |
| 02:56.15 | rodrigo | no |
| 02:56.22 | rodrigo | how do I do it? |
| 02:56.50 | tuv | rodrigo: play with the speaker icon in the top right of your screen |
| 02:57.15 | rodrigo | nothing muted |
| 02:57.20 | rodrigo | nothing on min volume |
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| 02:57.35 | Andi_ | hi |
| 02:57.45 | Andi_ | how do i install the X? |
| 02:57.49 | tuv | Azar: if "test" doesn't work in the multimedia selector, nothing will. that's why he should use oss until alsa is fixed |
| 02:58.01 | Azar | bah my games work ok without multimedia selectors |
| 02:58.10 | shadowarts | besides building my own kernel image, are there any debian packages for 2.6.15 kernel (powerpc_ |
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| 02:58.25 | Azar | tuv how about he trying alsamixer? |
| 02:58.39 | gentgeen__ | Andi_, aptitude install $WINDOWMANAGER should take care of it |
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| 02:58.53 | tuv | Azar: i suppose it will take him a little more time to figure out how to mute/unmute |
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| 02:59.15 | cheal | !tell Andi_ about install x |
| 02:59.19 | Azar | tuv let him try it |
| 02:59.28 | rodrigo | how do I try it? |
| 02:59.30 | Azar | rodrigo in command line type alsamixer |
| 03:00.16 | Danar | gentgeen__: well, thanks for your efforts. i have to go now |
| 03:00.17 | Azar | tuv I do not know how that media application of his recognize the alsa settings he just did |
| 03:00.18 | rodrigo | command not found |
| 03:00.19 | coranz | where can I find a iso image for hd install of 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:00.39 | Azar | rodrigo so you do not have alsa utilities |
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| 03:00.45 | tuv | rodrigo: you still didn't give the output of "lsmod | grep via".. probably in #flood |
| 03:00.52 | Guerin | coranz: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 03:01.06 | dvs | tuv: He had snd_viaxxx |
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| 03:01.07 | tuv | Azar: he is using rhythmbox, which uses gstreamer, which is configured in multimedia selector |
| 03:01.10 | Azar | yeah rodrigo copy your stuff and put it for tuv in the paster |
| 03:01.24 | Azar | tuv ah I see... sophisticated stuff |
| 03:01.39 | tuv | dvs: what about viaxxx alone (the oss module) |
| 03:01.40 | rodrigo | http://pastebin.com/555369 |
| 03:01.51 | Guerin | rhythmbox is just another way of making somple things more complicated |
| 03:01.55 | rodrigo | yeah, I have gstreamer |
| 03:02.07 | dvs | tuv: Well whatta you know? |
| 03:02.12 | dvs | !beer tuv |
| 03:02.17 | Azar | :) |
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| 03:02.45 | tuv | dvs: found this: via82cxxx_audio |
| 03:02.58 | dippo | anyone know what this means when I try to run "aptitude install aptitude" |
| 03:03.00 | Guerin | ok |
| 03:03.00 | dippo | Sorry, aptitude is already installed at the requested version (0.2.11.1-4) |
| 03:03.00 | dvs | tuv: That's what the beer is for. |
| 03:03.08 | dippo | I am trying to upgrade a woody machine to sarge, and that's what it's giving me |
| 03:03.16 | tuv | dvs: and this: via82cxxx, is this for the chipset or audio? |
| 03:03.17 | dippo | it's been acting odd in general |
| 03:03.24 | dippo | oh, nevermind |
| 03:03.30 | dippo | cruft in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 03:03.30 | Azar | dippo: I have a woody upgrade whats wrong? |
| 03:03.30 | dippo | ahem |
| 03:03.37 | tuv | dvs: thanks |
| 03:03.38 | Phoenix92x | Hi, I'm trying to do a netinstall of debian and its saying it can't find the ethernet card's drivers. I'm using an MSI KT880 Delta motherboard and trying to use the onboard network card. I've googled the board a lot and I can't seem to find what the driver needed is. Can anyone help me? |
| 03:03.58 | Guerin | to get a via82* soundcard working with alsa on 2.6 is very trivial |
| 03:03.59 | gentgeen__ | Not something you hear in everyday conversation " I have a woody upgrade whats wrong?" |
| 03:04.04 | Azar | dippo did you use "aptitude" to upgrade? |
| 03:04.07 | dvs | tuv: I was talking about via82cxxxx_audio |
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| 03:04.16 | cheal | dippo: it probably means that it's not doing anything |
| 03:04.22 | dippo | i hadn't done anything yet, but I see the problem now.. I forgot that I had some apt-pinning stuff in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 03:04.34 | Guerin | Phoenix92x: /msg dpkg onboard |
| 03:04.34 | tuv | dvs: i know, but i was wondering about via82cxxx |
| 03:04.47 | Guerin | tuv: there's no use in using oss. Use alsa. |
| 03:04.53 | dvs | tuv: dunno but I'd assume that is the chipset |
| 03:05.07 | tuv | dvs: anyways, i guess he needs to blacklist via82cxxxx_audio |
| 03:05.10 | Phoenix92x | that is perhaps the best explanation ever |
| 03:05.17 | dvs | tuv: Agreed |
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| 03:05.32 | Azar | Im having the via chipset and installing and using alsa is easy, however I have no idea how 3rd party applications will take it |
| 03:05.38 | tuv | Guerin: alsa isn't working, maybe the oss module is preventing it |
| 03:05.49 | Guerin | tuv: who's having this problem/ |
| 03:05.51 | Guerin | ? |
| 03:05.52 | dvs | tuv: That's exactly what happening |
| 03:05.59 | dvs | Guerin: rodrigo |
| 03:06.01 | rodrigo | will installing the alsa tools help me? |
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| 03:06.12 | tuv | dvs: i remember having to blacklist in both hotplug and discover, is that still the case now? |
| 03:06.16 | dvs | rodrigo: Both ALSA and OSS is installed. That's the problem |
| 03:06.21 | Azar | I told him to remove the oss module in /etc/modules and replace it with the snd_ alsa one |
| 03:06.24 | aidan | is there a newer version of bash than 2.05b.0 in sarge? that's ... pretty damn old |
| 03:06.26 | Guerin | rodrigo: edit /etc/modules, as root, and add two lines: |
| 03:06.35 | dvs | tuv: I've never used discover so I can't say |
| 03:06.55 | tuv | Guerin: i don't think that's enough. it gets auto-loaded |
| 03:06.57 | Guerin | rodrigo: snd-via82xx, and snd-pcm-oss |
| 03:07.01 | Azar | ... or he can just # comment it out , : # via82xxx_audio |
| 03:07.25 | Guerin | tuv: it doesn't get auto-loaded is he has alsa-base and alsa-utils installed, and if he has an alsa module which gets loaded in preference |
| 03:07.39 | Azar | Id just reboot to have the oss unloaded and alsa loaded but hey, this is not windows? |
| 03:07.40 | Guerin | rodrigo: add those two lines, install alsa-base and alsa-utils, and reboot |
| 03:07.47 | tuv | Guerin: ok |
| 03:07.59 | Azar | \0/ reboot after configuration! yES! |
| 03:08.04 | Guerin | Azar: sometimes rebooting is just easier |
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| 03:08.08 | _slash | hi guys |
| 03:08.10 | horchata | okay, suppose libc6 is quite messed up on a machine |
| 03:08.15 | tuv | rodrigo: install alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 03:08.15 | SperMite | I'm trying to get this php script to work.. where eaxtly do i put the index.php file at? |
| 03:08.22 | horchata | how might i do an emergency fix? |
| 03:08.28 | dvs | rodrigo: no, listen to Guerin |
| 03:08.30 | gentgeen__ | anyone happen to know how I can add ftp.nerim.net as a "trusted" apt repo? |
| 03:08.31 | Guerin | horchata: reinstall |
| 03:08.38 | _slash | I have this error when viewing my website |
| 03:08.43 | rodrigo | shouldn't I install |
| 03:08.44 | Azar | rodrigo do all Guerin said, then when done, reboot |
| 03:08.44 | Guerin | gentgeen__: it's documented in the faq on that site |
| 03:08.48 | dvs | rodrigo: no, listen to Guerin |
| 03:08.51 | _slash | filetype: phtml "you have choosen to open" |
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| 03:08.56 | rodrigo | gstreamer0.8-alsa |
| 03:09.00 | _slash | how do i fix that? |
| 03:09.06 | Azar | rodrigo, later not now |
| 03:09.08 | dvs | rodrigo: just do what Guerin said |
| 03:09.09 | rodrigo | ok |
| 03:09.09 | Andi_ | !tell Andi_ about install X |
| 03:09.10 | Guerin | _slash: configure your webserver properly |
| 03:09.12 | cheal | aidan: yes |
| 03:09.32 | _slash | err... i've check all the .conf its all there |
| 03:09.35 | _slash | what I miss? |
| 03:09.54 | cheal | !tell Andi_ about selftell |
| 03:09.58 | Guerin | _slash: ask #apache |
| 03:10.03 | rodrigo | installing the packages |
| 03:10.07 | gentgeen__ | Guerin, thanks |
| 03:10.29 | rodrigo | installed |
| 03:10.33 | rodrigo | reboot now? |
| 03:10.40 | Guerin | rodrigo: no. edit /etc/modules |
| 03:10.41 | dvs | rodrigo: did you modify /etc/modules |
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| 03:10.52 | _slash | Guerin: k |
| 03:11.01 | Andi_ | sory cheal, can you teach me how to install XF4?? i cant |
| 03:11.14 | cheal | !install x |
| 03:11.14 | dpkg | i heard install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 03:11.26 | rodrigo | I have already done it |
| 03:11.30 | cheal | Andi_: did you try # apt-get install x-window-system-core; ? |
| 03:11.33 | Guerin | rodrigo: ok, reboot |
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| 03:11.55 | Andi_ | o.0 |
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| 03:11.59 | Andi_ | only it?? |
| 03:12.04 | fortunecookie | hi |
| 03:12.40 | aidan | cheal: "bash is already the newest version." am I doing somethign wrong? |
| 03:12.45 | aidan | apt-get install bash3 perhaps |
| 03:12.49 | Andi_ | cheal if i whant to put KDE , what i do? |
| 03:12.55 | aidan | ah that worked :) |
| 03:13.08 | Guerin | aidan: aptitude install kde |
| 03:13.13 | Guerin | Andi_: ^ |
| 03:13.18 | Andi_ | ok |
| 03:13.19 | Andi_ | ^^ |
| 03:13.22 | Andi_ | i will try |
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| 03:13.25 | Andi_ | bye |
| 03:13.30 | aidan | Guerin: this isn't a desktop box |
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| 03:13.44 | Guerin | aidan: that was for Andi_\, sorry |
| 03:13.50 | aidan | ah |
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| 03:15.11 | _rodrigo_ | hi |
| 03:15.15 | _rodrigo_ | still no sound :( |
| 03:15.39 | tuv | rodrigo: do you have alsa-base and alsa-utils installed? |
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| 03:15.55 | _rodrigo_ | unrelated question: is there any way to make numlock on at startup? |
| 03:15.56 | _rodrigo_ | yes I do |
| 03:16.10 | dvs | _rodrigo_: And you get the same error message? |
| 03:16.15 | _rodrigo_ | yep |
| 03:16.27 | Guerin | _rodrigo_: one thing at a time. |
| 03:16.34 | tuv | rodrigo: does "lsmod | grep via" still have via82cxxxx_audio? |
| 03:17.05 | Guerin | _rodrigo_: first, get rid of the _ in front of your nick. |
| 03:17.25 | Guerin | _rodrigo_: the first thing is cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 03:17.32 | Guerin | err, the second thing |
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| 03:19.00 | _rodrigo_ | Guerin join #flood |
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| 03:19.44 | ao_guest_543 | i really want sms emulator and espacially gba emulator on gba, any1 know when there comming? |
| 03:19.58 | _rodrigo_ | ao_guest_543 ask only once |
| 03:20.13 | ao_guest_543 | sorry |
| 03:20.15 | ao_guest_543 | any1 know |
| 03:20.16 | Guerin | _rodrigo_: i don't do #flood, put it on paster |
| 03:20.20 | Guerin | !paster rodrigo |
| 03:20.20 | dpkg | rodrigo: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
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| 03:20.31 | _rodrigo_ | ok |
| 03:20.33 | Guerin | _rodrigo_: and change your nick already |
| 03:20.34 | ao_guest_543 | im dieing to get my hands on it |
| 03:20.39 | ao_guest_543 | i really want sms emulator and espacially gba emulator on gba, any1 know when there comming |
| 03:20.53 | ao_guest_543 | i really want sms emulator and espacially gba emulator on gba, any1 know when there comming? |
| 03:20.59 | Guerin | ao_guest_543: fuck off, you tool |
| 03:21.07 | ao_guest_543 | sorry |
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| 03:21.20 | ao_guest_543 | does any1 know anything about it or not |
| 03:21.29 | _rodrigo_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1833 |
| 03:21.38 | ao_guest_543 | i really want sms emulator and espacially gba emulator on gba, any1 know when there comming? |
| 03:21.39 | _rodrigo_ | if anyone knew they would have sayd ao_guest_543 |
| 03:21.47 | ao_guest_543 | sorry |
| 03:21.54 | ao_guest_543 | no need to be angry |
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| 03:22.00 | _rodrigo_ | i'm not angry |
| 03:22.23 | nprice | Any kernel options I can pass to remedy "ata2(0): WARNING: ATAPI is disabled, device ignored." or does it just require a recompile? |
| 03:22.38 | gentgeen__ | _rodrigo_, change your Nick back ... get rid of the leading _ |
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| 03:23.00 | nauraz | which is the easiest way to create a copy of a complete installation on one partition to anotheron the same drive? |
| 03:23.03 | gentgeen__ | it requires us to use hold down shift, and reach, to start your name each time |
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| 03:23.25 | Guerin | nauraz: rsync |
| 03:23.34 | gentgeen__ | thanks |
| 03:23.42 | rodrigo2 | where's the cookie? |
| 03:23.46 | rodrigo2 | i'm hungry |
| 03:23.51 | tuv | Guerin, nauraz: or maybe dd |
| 03:24.00 | rodrigo2 | :p |
| 03:24.13 | gentgeen__ | I gave you a cookie... you have to make your own sandwich :-) |
| 03:24.15 | Guerin | dd will only work if the partition is more or less identical |
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| 03:24.36 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-68-52-59-124.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:24.38 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:24.56 | tuv | Guerin: what will rsync do with /proc |
| 03:24.58 | tuv | ? |
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| 03:25.49 | dmacks | If a libfoo uses functions from libbar, is it better for libbar to link itself against libfoo or to simply publish (bar.pc or bar-config) that -lfoo should be passed when linking against libbar? |
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| 03:26.01 | glick | excuse me does anyone know of a good program for digial logic design? |
| 03:26.09 | glick | circuit diagram editor? |
| 03:26.11 | rodrigo2 | would anyon recommend me a nice X irc client? |
| 03:26.26 | glick | i tried gschem but i keep getting a screwy error message on start up |
| 03:26.31 | glick | and it seg faults |
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| 03:27.08 | tuv | glick: xchat |
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| 03:27.18 | glick | tuv, huh? |
| 03:27.24 | rodrigo2 | tuv wouldn't that be for me? :p |
| 03:27.33 | rodrigo2 | I asked for the irc client :p |
| 03:27.48 | tuv | hmmm.. i think i should go to sleep |
| 03:27.55 | tuv | my bad |
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| 03:28.57 | elnovato | hi |
| 03:29.09 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:29.46 | Andi_ | !tell me about X |
| 03:29.52 | dmacks | rodrigo2: Also the chatzilla component of mozilla. |
| 03:29.55 | elnovato | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.08 | glick | damn theres not #hardware-designers channel :( |
| 03:30.18 | odla | !best irc client |
| 03:30.18 | dpkg | well, irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 03:30.31 | odla | rodrigo2: dpkg never lies |
| 03:31.38 | elnovato | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.51 | odla | elnovato: dmesg? |
| 03:33.33 | Andi_ | !tell me about install X |
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| 03:34.04 | cheal | !tell Andi_ about selftell |
| 03:34.21 | Andi_ | ok |
| 03:34.30 | Andi_ | ty chel |
| 03:34.35 | Andi_ | cheal |
| 03:34.37 | glick | are there engineering channels on freenode? |
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| 03:35.36 | benjamindees | how can I specify " as the field delimiter to cut ? |
| 03:36.11 | elnovato | ps/2 mouse is detected, how should be setup at xorg.conf ? |
| 03:36.21 | benjamindees | ah, nevermind |
| 03:36.48 | cheal | elnovato: are you trying to manuall edit xorg.conf? |
| 03:37.39 | elnovato | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.11 | cheal | elnovato: so what's the configured mouse device and protocol? |
| 03:39.44 | elnovato | device = /dev/input/mice and protocol = ImPS/2 |
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| 03:40.22 | subopt | What's a straightforward way to grab a copy of a sandbox, copying only files matching certain patterns (say *.cc, *.h, and *.f), but keeping the directory structure everywhere relevant (everywhere a file was copied)? |
| 03:41.00 | cheal | elnovato: which kernel are you using? what does mdetect say? |
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| 03:43.36 | elnovato | kernel 2.4.27, and mdetect says: keybboart AT not present?, /dev/psaux |
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| 03:44.24 | bsims | does anyone know of a way to tell apt not to update if there is a open bug against it? |
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| 03:44.34 | cheal | elnovato: what are the problems exactly? |
| 03:44.52 | cheal | bsims: an open bug against apt? |
| 03:45.29 | dondelelcaro | bsims: almost every program has a bug open against it. |
| 03:45.43 | dondelelcaro | bsims: you can use apt-listbugs to get an idea of whether or not you want to ugprade based on the bugs, though. |
| 03:45.59 | glick | i cant believe there are no digital circuit diagram editors for linux |
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| 03:47.34 | SperMite | http://69.172.40.18:211/ can someone tell me why my pictures wont aprear on this php script |
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| 03:48.04 | Mortalman | Is there a way to make my own audio device like /dev/dsp? I want to play an mp3 in a loop and access it a program that reads an audio device. |
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| 03:48.14 | bsims | dondelelcaro: indeed but I was wanting to not upgrade the ones that list-bug reports automagicly |
| 03:48.38 | codept | hello, do anyone knows how to solve mouse problem when starting X? |
| 03:48.46 | Guerin | Mortalman: you can't just make your program read pcm from a file, or stdin? |
| 03:48.53 | dondelelcaro | bsims: feed the output of apt-listbugs into a hold script, and unhold them when they're no longer buggy |
| 03:48.55 | Guerin | codept: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 03:48.59 | phu | anyone know how to solve the problem of system misthink mips cross-compiling on mips device |
| 03:49.06 | dondelelcaro | bsims: of course, if you're running unstable or something, it's not like a few bugs should scare you |
| 03:49.14 | codept | Guerin: hmm |
| 03:49.39 | Mortalman | Guerin: It's not my program. It's asking fort an audio device. If you can think of a way to do what you just said that would be great. lol |
| 03:49.56 | bsims | dondelelcaro: hrm that might work thanks |
| 03:50.33 | Guerin | Mortalman: well, most sane players will play to stdout, so you could tell it ro read from that device |
| 03:51.06 | godless | is there a guide on how to prevent certain modules from being loaded |
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| 03:51.27 | Guerin | godless: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 03:51.31 | elnovato | holy mother of god, gnome is nothing without mouse |
| 03:51.33 | Mortalman | Guerin: This must not be a sane player. I'm using VLC to stream a webcam and I want to use music instead of the mic. |
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| 03:51.50 | Guerin | oh. #vlc |
| 03:51.51 | nprice | how can i forcibly kill a process, kill -9 isn't killing a runaway process instantly |
| 03:51.53 | godless | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.54 | elnovato | any link to update my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 ? |
| 03:51.58 | godless | heh |
| 03:52.19 | Guerin | vlc has a *shitload* of options, it had better be able to feed pcm to stdout |
| 03:52.24 | Guerin | or read it from stdin |
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| 03:52.49 | godless | guerin : tnx |
| 03:53.08 | phu | how can I disable cross-compiling? |
| 03:53.09 | Guerin | nprice: if -9 won't kill it, it won't die. /msg dpkg zombie |
| 03:53.12 | nauraz | Guerin, tuv: sorry, was called away from the keyboard in a hurry. so the command 'rsync' is the one to use to recreate a copy of an existing system in another partition? |
| 03:53.21 | Guerin | nauraz: man rsync |
| 03:53.32 | elnovato | is there a "engine" or some sounds manager for gnome? |
| 03:53.45 | nauraz | Guerin: doing so. |
| 03:53.56 | Guerin | elnovato: esd |
| 03:54.31 | nauraz | no entry for rsync. is this a package i have to install first? |
| 03:54.49 | godless | hmm, how do I stop autoloading of modules by the kernel. My ide_scsi module seems to get loaded alway, removing it makes the kernel panic |
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| 03:55.16 | godless | always |
| 03:57.08 | phu | how can I disable cross-compiling? |
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| 03:58.27 | nprice | what's a good console mail client *that windows telnet will function with properly* |
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| 03:58.59 | Guerin | nprice: telnet??? |
| 03:59.06 | horchata | so, instead of reinstalling debian |
| 03:59.13 | nprice | Guerin: yes |
| 03:59.15 | godless | nprice : putty for windows, ssh for the box to be accessed |
| 03:59.20 | optraz | hi all, for windows, we have hyperterminal, what about in debian? what do we use? |
| 03:59.21 | horchata | i downloaded and installed the libc package |
| 03:59.26 | nprice | i didn't ask about a telnet client. |
| 03:59.30 | nprice | i asked about a mail app |
| 03:59.37 | godless | mutt |
| 03:59.54 | nprice | mutt doesn't work with windows telnet, it spits out control codes everwhere |
| 04:00.05 | Guerin | nprice: what mail clients work depend on which terminal emul;ator you use |
| 04:00.24 | godless | use putty instead, nobody uses telnet anymore (not secure) |
| 04:00.26 | Guerin | nprice: mutt DOES work with the windows terminal emulators command.com and cmd.exe |
| 04:00.29 | horchata | and then cp /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 to /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 04:00.35 | horchata | now everything is working fine |
| 04:00.35 | nprice | Guerin: i'm using the windows telnet client which kinda use its own standard |
| 04:00.43 | Guerin | nprice: it's a matter of setting your locale correctly at server side |
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| 04:01.02 | benjamindees | using 'cut', how do I output every field from field x to the end of the line? |
| 04:01.09 | Guerin | nprice: you can use telnet in one of those terminal emulators. Otherwise just read your mail using plain telnet |
| 04:01.58 | nprice | Guerin: i am using telnet in one of those "terminal emulators" as you put it, but what is "plain telnet" |
| 04:01.59 | tabris|away | benjamindees: uhhh. try cut -f 5- |
| 04:02.21 | benjamindees | tabris|away, oops sorry I need to start reading manpages first :) |
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| 04:03.30 | nprice | Guerin: here's my situation, i'd like to be able to just telnet into my home machine and read my mail from any machine i access, most windows machines, without installing any special software on them. |
| 04:03.50 | frumious | nprice, stop that. |
| 04:04.03 | godless | :) |
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| 04:04.08 | nprice | frumious: very helpful there |
| 04:04.16 | frumious | trying. |
| 04:04.33 | godless | nprice : what you are asking is pretty easy and simple, but ... it's not the way |
| 04:04.50 | nprice | oh so there's only one correct way to do this then? |
| 04:04.51 | godless | nprice : especially if you don't know what you are doing |
| 04:05.14 | nprice | who said i didn't? i'm just asking for a mail client without all sorts of weird colors that windows telnet doesn't understand |
| 04:05.33 | godless | :) |
| 04:05.39 | godless | sorry for being so partonizing :) |
| 04:06.00 | optraz | hi all, for windows, we have hyperterminal, what about in debian? what do we use? |
| 04:06.41 | Loof | How do I upgrade the postgresql debian package to 8.1.x without causing everything that depended on postgresql-client to want to uninstall |
| 04:06.48 | Loof | I could use equiv |
| 04:06.51 | aidan | to su to root, do I do: su - |
| 04:06.53 | odla | hyperterminal? is that like using a terminal? |
| 04:06.53 | Loof | but that seems rather hackish |
| 04:07.01 | frumious | godless, I work with PhD physicists who sound just like nprice. Hard to patronize those geniusess. |
| 04:07.04 | godless | nprice : easiest route is to go with putty (verry small, verry good ssh/telnet client) using ssh the connection should be "secure" no weird color problems, no strange echo's etc |
| 04:07.13 | godless | frumious : I know I know :) |
| 04:07.29 | chealer9 | Loof: like what? |
| 04:07.30 | odla | putty is nice |
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| 04:07.34 | nprice | godless: i know what putty is, i am at 50 computers a day and don't want to install it to all of them |
| 04:07.37 | odla | openBSD develops putty? |
| 04:07.44 | nprice | godless: on machines I OWN i have no problems with using putty |
| 04:07.57 | tabris|away | odla: no. putty is for windows |
| 04:08.02 | Tarantulafudge | anyone know if its ok to comment stuff out in crontab? |
| 04:08.03 | godless | nprice : hmm, install a webserver with console ? |
| 04:08.08 | odla | but it's based on openSSH? |
| 04:08.11 | Loof | chealer9: ?? the issue is that postgresql-client is a specific version instead of a 'provided by' |
| 04:08.17 | odla | or am i just in left field |
| 04:08.23 | tabris|away | odla: based on? no. implementation of the SSH, RSH, and telnet protocols, yes. |
| 04:08.24 | nprice | godless: most of the machines i'll be using won't have java either :( |
| 04:08.39 | elnovato | its normal to receive UNTRUSTED PACKAGES messages from aptitude? |
| 04:08.45 | chealer9 | Loof: I'm not sure what you mean |
| 04:08.47 | godless | nprice : I saw a simple console client once in webmin, don't have it installed now though |
| 04:08.51 | frumious | nprice, how about putting putty on a USB key? |
| 04:08.59 | odla | elnovato: do you have the keys? |
| 04:09.02 | Guerin | nprice: telnet, are you insane? |
| 04:09.11 | godless | nprice : I thought there were none java etc ones around |
| 04:09.18 | Guerin | nprice: telnet directly to your pop3 or imap server and read mail that way |
| 04:09.25 | elnovato | keys? |
| 04:09.26 | Guerin | nprice: or install some webmail client |
| 04:09.36 | odla | elnovato: what are you running sarge, etch, sid? |
| 04:10.27 | tabris|away | frumious: yes, and no. problem is that putty does all it's config in registry. the keys can be on the USB key tho |
| 04:10.27 | elnovato | etch |
| 04:10.27 | aidan | what user does exim usually use |
| 04:10.27 | odla | elnovato: just installed? |
| 04:10.27 | nprice | godless: problem with that is that mutt uses curses or whatever and that it couldn't comprehend pressing up/down/etc, it is strictly run a command and spit out output |
| 04:10.27 | elnovato | yeah, fresh install |
| 04:10.28 | odla | !tell elnovate about 2006 key |
| 04:10.28 | odla | !tell elnovato about 2006 key |
| 04:10.28 | Guerin | nprice: if you insist on allowing unix logins over telnet, you can use mutt if you set TERM and locale variables correctly and use telnet from within cmd.exe |
| 04:10.28 | tabris|away | !tell tabris|away about 2006 key |
| 04:10.28 | odla | elnovato: see message |
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| 04:10.43 | elnovato | oh i c, thank you ill try now |
| 04:10.55 | elnovato | gpg over apt, soo nice |
| 04:10.55 | odla | elnovato: np..if you use marillat ask about the marillat key too |
| 04:11.02 | nprice | Guerin: hmm, i read that mutt and windows telnet didn't get along and i was just looking for another client |
| 04:11.03 | godless | nprice : check the emulations settings of the windows terminal thingy (long time sice I used it though, back when win98 was still new, should have settings for vt100 etc, echo etc) |
| 04:11.13 | elnovato | @_+ |
| 04:11.42 | nprice | godless: hmm, that's called hyperterminal, not sure if it even handles telnet anymore, now microsoft has a separate client :\ |
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| 04:12.10 | Loof | I want to upgrade postgresql |
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| 04:12.30 | Loof | There is a postgresql-server-... (8.0, 8.1, etc.) |
| 04:12.38 | godless | nprice : ms clean for a while here :) I usually just use my Zaurus as a usbstick on windows pc |
| 04:12.41 | Loof | there's also a postgrsql-server (no version) which is 7.4 |
| 04:12.42 | godless | 's with putty |
| 04:12.43 | \amethyst | cygwin + xterm |
| 04:12.50 | godless | oops |
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| 04:13.14 | Loof | When I try to upgrade... it wants to uninstall ALL the packages that depend on postgresql OR prevent me from upgrading |
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| 04:13.19 | nprice | godless: you should pick up a nokia 770 |
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| 04:13.44 | godless | nprice : hmm, did I also tell you I hate working and bending to the man (no money :) |
| 04:14.23 | godless | it takes me ages to save enough to buy anything :) |
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| 04:15.29 | Guerin | nprice: what I do is keep a copy of putty.exe on my public http server, and run it from there |
| 04:15.50 | johnnybezak | hey guys, anyone here have experience with Gnu Mailman? |
| 04:15.55 | godless | nprice : go with putty though, no need to install it as Guerin says |
| 04:16.15 | Guerin | !anyone use gnu mailman? |
| 04:16.15 | dpkg | No, no one uses gnu mailman, not even the people who use it. |
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| 04:17.19 | johnnybezak | um ok I'm not sure what you're trying so say through the bot there... |
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| 04:18.26 | Guerin | johnnybezak: ask the question you really want answerred. |
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| 04:20.42 | dondelelcaro | odla: whatever the answer is, it's totally OT for #debian. |
| 04:20.43 | johnnybezak | Guerin: OK, i want to restrict the email addresses that can send to the list, and I was wondering if anyone here knows how to do that, as I can't work it out from docs/fiddling with the admin page of the mailing list. |
| 04:20.54 | odla | dondelelcaro: sorry |
| 04:21.11 | Guerin | johnnybezak: ok, that's better. I don't know, and you might be better asking in #mailman, if there is one. |
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| 04:21.58 | johnnybezak | Guerin: So in fact, your lack of experience with Gnu mailman means that I was wasting my time asking the specific question. Thanks for not helping |
| 04:22.00 | Dewi | is there an easy way to set a user's passwd from a script? |
| 04:22.18 | Dewi | useradd and passwd don't seem to let me pass a passwd from the command line |
| 04:22.30 | Guerin | johnnybezak: *I* don't know, but one or more of the 700-some people in here might, now that you've asked a real question. |
| 04:22.41 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: because doing that is so insanely bad that it shouldn't ever be done. |
| 04:22.51 | Guerin | johnnybezak: but nobody responds to 'Anyone use foo', which is why we have that particular factoid |
| 04:23.41 | jmg | anyone work with ruby here? on emacs? |
| 04:23.48 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: if you want to create a user from a script, you need to talk to passwd directly. |
| 04:23.52 | dondelelcaro | jmg: just ask your question... |
| 04:24.11 | jmg | global-font-lock-mode not syntax highlighting for anyone else? |
| 04:24.11 | johnnybezak | Guerin: I didn't ask if anybody used it, I presume that loads of people here have used mailman. Just wondering if someone had experience with Mailman admin. |
| 04:24.15 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: what do you mean "directly?" |
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| 04:24.52 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: by talking to the file descriptors that passwd opens up. |
| 04:25.14 | Guerin | johnnybezak: don't get pissy; the fact is that questions like that DON'T GET ANSWERED in here. |
| 04:25.23 | Guerin | johnnybezak: don't take it personal. |
| 04:25.34 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: alternatively, you use --disabled-password, and then use chpasswd |
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| 04:26.45 | Loof | last post |
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| 04:27.25 | johnnybezak | Guerin: I haven't taken it personally, I just don't appreciate the arrogant vicarious remark through the bot. And you have proved that the question did get answered. |
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| 04:28.23 | Guerin | johnnybezak: well, if you're happy with that answer, then I guess everything's peachy. |
| 04:28.27 | Guerin | !offence |
| 04:28.27 | dpkg | i guess offence is don't take offence at things in IRC, none of us exist, we're just lines of text on your screen |
| 04:29.07 | johnnybezak | Guerin: yeah that's exactly what I'm talking about. Go figure why #debian has such a great rep... |
| 04:29.30 | beardy | johnnybezak: Why are you here if you don't like us? |
| 04:29.53 | Guerin | johnnybezak: all this energy you've spent whining, when you could be posting to the mailman mailing list... |
| 04:30.00 | johnnybezak | beardy: i don't dislike you :) |
| 04:30.32 | johnnybezak | Guerin: good idea. |
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| 04:31.44 | beardy | johnnybezak: "/msg dpkg ask" before the next question |
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| 04:32.16 | shad0w1e | how come I can't find k3b in the repos? how can I install it? |
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| 04:33.09 | Guerin | shad0w1e: what branch of debian? |
| 04:33.13 | johnnybezak | beardy: my problem wasn't with the advice to ask the question in a more direct way, but in the way I was told to do it. |
| 04:33.20 | shad0w1e | testing |
| 04:33.35 | beardy | johnnybezak: The problem could have been nonexistent. |
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| 04:33.52 | Guerin | shad0w1e: /msg dpkg why is k3b not in testing? |
| 04:34.01 | aidan | srv02:~# dpkg --list 'apache*' |
| 04:34.01 | aidan | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 04:34.01 | aidan | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 04:34.03 | aidan | is that normal? |
| 04:34.12 | johnnybezak | beardy: I agree that's why I was dissapointed. |
| 04:34.12 | beardy | johnnybezak: Don't take offense, take it as advice. |
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| 04:34.47 | johnnybezak | beardy: that's my point the advice was fine, not the arrogant way with which it was given. |
| 04:34.50 | jair | Guys I am trying to find information regarding the best "cost effective" new technology on a computer lab build from scratch! |
| 04:34.56 | Guerin | aidan: don't paste, ffs |
| 04:34.59 | britt | what would you all recommend for backing up large amounts of data |
| 04:35.18 | d0ug | britt: a forklift |
| 04:35.19 | britt | >5GB |
| 04:35.24 | Guerin | britt: how large, and backing it up to what? |
| 04:35.25 | johnnybezak | britt: i use rsync and another pc |
| 04:35.28 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:35.31 | Guerin | 5G isn't large |
| 04:35.40 | britt | i mean bigger than 5GB |
| 04:35.45 | britt | more like 50-60GB |
| 04:35.49 | Guerin | i'd use rsync, or a set of rsync scripts such as rsnapshot |
| 04:35.59 | jair | I am thinking in gigabit switches, and cat-6 cables |
| 04:36.00 | britt | rsync? |
| 04:36.29 | Guerin | britt: ok, you definitely want to use an in-place backup system, not an archival system, and you want to do differential backups, not complete backups |
| 04:36.36 | Guerin | britt: look at rsnapshot |
| 04:36.41 | aidan | Guerin: sorry :( |
| 04:36.53 | jair | britt, what Guerin is saying sounds interesting "rsync" is a very versitile tool for back ups, attended and unatended |
| 04:36.54 | johnnybezak | britt: it backs up all your data, then only updates the changes in the files since the last backup |
| 04:37.07 | britt | wow |
| 04:37.16 | johnnybezak | britt: sweet hey :) |
| 04:37.28 | aidan | Guerin: is it normal? it doesn't seem to have any purpose |
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| 04:38.10 | britt | johnnybezak: rsnapshot ?= GoBack |
| 04:38.12 | britt | ? |
| 04:38.12 | Guerin | aidan: i don't know what you're talking about- all I saw was the menu lines |
| 04:38.22 | jair | guys any advices in a future brand new computer lab? cat - 6 and gigabit switches. |
| 04:38.33 | britt | jair: money? |
| 04:38.40 | aidan | Guerin: ah, they're menu lines? |
| 04:39.01 | beardy | jair: Hire someone to plan it. |
| 04:39.03 | WezlFawlty | if i was planning a dual boot 98se/debian which goes in first? |
| 04:39.12 | britt | 98se\ |
| 04:39.12 | Guerin | aidan: the top two lines of dpkg -l are, yes |
| 04:39.15 | shad0w1e | thanks, i updated, it was in there! |
| 04:39.19 | Guerin | WezlFawlty: 98 |
| 04:39.29 | Guerin | WezlFawlty: installing windows nukes your bootloader |
| 04:39.36 | WezlFawlty | luv u guys ;^) |
| 04:39.38 | aidan | Guerin: so if I had X installed or something, they'd be clickable? |
| 04:39.39 | Guerin | debian is polite enough to ask |
| 04:39.44 | WezlFawlty | at least this hasnt changed |
| 04:39.45 | Guerin | aidan: nope. |
| 04:40.01 | aidan | Guerin: they're just there to be cool, then? :) |
| 04:40.19 | WezlFawlty | a few of the distros have nearly come of age :) |
| 04:40.41 | Guerin | aidan: dpkg -l libc6; look at the first two letters on the line. Those two lines at the top tell you what they mean |
| 04:40.48 | britt | Guerin: yeah, turns out my filsystem took a crap and i lost most of my music |
| 04:40.50 | aidan | how do I purge configuration files? apt-get remove --purge apache-common is't doing much |
| 04:40.53 | britt | fsck saved some of it. |
| 04:40.55 | Guerin | britt: nice. |
| 04:41.04 | jair | britt, we are thinking in the best later worry about the money |
| 04:41.06 | Guerin | aidan: dpkg -P |
| 04:41.16 | jair | beardy, that comment do not help at all. |
| 04:41.22 | aidan | ahhh I get it, thanks Guerin |
| 04:41.33 | britt | Guerin: yeah, and i had no other drives |
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| 04:41.53 | britt | so debian is installed on a bigfoot , with my old main drive slaved to it |
| 04:42.09 | jair | if I have cat-6 cable and gigabit internet switches, should I have special jacks? or RJ 45 will work the same than a cat-5 cable? |
| 04:42.10 | Guerin | woah, a bigfoot |
| 04:42.20 | britt | Guerin: heard of em? |
| 04:42.20 | Guerin | welcome to our humble century, O ancient one. |
| 04:42.20 | ootput | anybody experiencing problems trying to get 'xft:font' recognised by urxvt |
| 04:43.14 | britt | Guerin: lol |
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| 04:43.27 | britt | Guerin: 8GB too... :o |
| 04:44.07 | britt | jair: the big thing is the wiring and the termination. |
| 04:44.19 | jair | britt, right |
| 04:44.19 | britt | my advice is to rent/buy a fluke tester that does CAT 6 testing |
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| 04:44.40 | jair | I will actually start looking on google ;) |
| 04:44.44 | britt | Ive used a fancy one that runs linux ;) |
| 04:44.53 | britt | KDE too |
| 04:45.06 | jair | it is a room on IRC to talk about hardward like wiring and other things? |
| 04:45.18 | britt | jair: what do you need to know |
| 04:45.23 | britt | you can pm me... |
| 04:45.27 | dondelelcaro | jair: #hardware may be able to help you with some things |
| 04:45.40 | deadcat | ootput: check this out: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2006/20060213.bowling/ the files with *mp3lame* only |
| 04:45.59 | jair | dondelelcaro, thank you again my friend |
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| 04:47.44 | britt | jair: im typed things, are you not getting them |
| 04:48.38 | jair | britt, nope |
| 04:48.58 | britt | jair: hmm |
| 04:49.11 | britt | jair: im using irssi-text in debian... |
| 04:49.16 | jair | britt, (/msg jair hi..) |
| 04:49.30 | britt | thats what im doing |
| 04:49.42 | ootput | deadcat: alright |
| 04:49.47 | jair | hmm britt weird because I can not see anything |
| 04:49.49 | ootput | deadcat: but they better be damn near fantastic! |
| 04:49.53 | deadcat | ootput: guess which is my normal hand? (= |
| 04:50.06 | britt | why dont we go into #blah |
| 04:50.13 | jair | ok |
| 04:50.20 | ootput | britt: because it's a privileged channel |
| 04:50.32 | britt | hmm |
| 04:50.36 | deadcat | ootput: no. i bowl between 80-120 only )= |
| 04:51.01 | jair | britt, it is ok we can talk here though |
| 04:51.05 | ootput | deadcat: that's you? |
| 04:51.06 | britt | yeah |
| 04:51.15 | deadcat | ootput: yes. |
| 04:51.22 | ootput | deadcat: you're ugly :D |
| 04:51.36 | jair | britt, I was thinking in have a couple of switches gigabit, all the network cards of the machines gigabit as well. |
| 04:51.37 | deadcat | ootput: that was today. because my classmates say i hop when i bowl |
| 04:51.41 | britt | jair: i was saying make sure that everythign is connected real nice, no tight angles and make sure everything passes a fluke CAT 6 tst. |
| 04:51.41 | deadcat | ootput: i am the dude (= |
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| 04:51.53 | deadcat | ootput: and thats fuck up. those are my classmates (= |
| 04:51.55 | britt | jair: i would install patch panels maybe |
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| 04:52.02 | ootput | deadcat: you're a lefty |
| 04:52.07 | jair | "fluke CAT 6" where could I find one? |
| 04:52.09 | ootput | deadcat: yeah, you hop :) |
| 04:52.10 | deadcat | ootput: why you think so? |
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| 04:52.17 | jair | britt, patch pannels :) |
| 04:52.25 | ootput | deadcat: it looks like you're overcompensating on the right side |
| 04:52.28 | deadcat | ootput: they say i hop with my right as well. but i dont notice that. i do know i hop with left hand. |
| 04:52.37 | jair | britt, why not couple of switches as well? |
| 04:52.38 | britt | jair: i have no idea...maybe ebay? |
| 04:52.49 | britt | jair: why not :) |
| 04:52.57 | jair | britt, I will check what is that "fluke" |
| 04:53.08 | britt | its like a box thing. |
| 04:53.12 | ootput | deadcat: you do a quick shuffle before you let go |
| 04:53.22 | ootput | deadcat: do both feet touch the ground? (i can't tell) |
| 04:53.26 | britt | I dont remember the model of the one i carried with me for a few years at work, but it was kinda old |
| 04:53.43 | deadcat | ootput: i think so. actually my primary hand is right. (= HAHAHA got ya |
| 04:53.44 | jair | britt, I see is basically a device to test the connectivity |
| 04:53.57 | britt | yep |
| 04:54.06 | britt | you plug one into the beginning of the line |
| 04:54.12 | britt | and one at the end of the line |
| 04:54.14 | jair | britt, I found the info on google and couple of images about it as well. |
| 04:54.21 | ootput | deadcat: ah, it's just that you looked so un-coordinated with the right =) |
| 04:54.34 | britt | and it tests the integrity of the line with various cat standards |
| 04:54.36 | jair | yes I see but it have to be "cat-6" to test that. |
| 04:54.44 | britt | cat 3,5,5e,6 |
| 04:54.51 | britt | yeah |
| 04:54.56 | deadcat | ootput: i injured my wrist on the first week when doing a reverse spin. |
| 04:55.10 | jair | britt, but then I have one of the testers for the current network is a cat 5e |
| 04:55.14 | britt | i think cat-5e might do that as well, id just aim for cat-6 though |
| 04:55.23 | Guerin | wow, who knew people cared so much about bowling |
| 04:55.33 | britt | if you pass 5e you'll usually do fine with 6 |
| 04:55.36 | jair | I will have to ask more about the cat-6 |
| 04:55.42 | Guerin | whatayareckon, 2012 olympics? |
| 04:55.46 | britt | teh difference is the twists in the wire |
| 04:56.12 | jair | britt, but with cat 6 I can use gigabit technology right with cat 5 I can't. |
| 04:56.31 | britt | 5e you *MIGHT* be able to i thought i recalled something about that |
| 04:56.50 | ootput | deadcat: those are damn dangerous |
| 04:57.09 | britt | if you pass 5 and you wired with 6 wire, you should be fine :) |
| 04:57.18 | deadcat | ootput: ya. but i've done it. sicne i only spin with 2 fingers. either hand. |
| 04:57.20 | britt | are you doing this yourself? |
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| 04:57.25 | ootput | deadcat: it messed me up for two weeks straight. it messed up an important part of my varsity tennis season |
| 04:57.28 | britt | i'd kill for a networking job |
| 04:57.37 | deadcat | ootput: damn. |
| 04:57.53 | deadcat | britt: hhee. most morons say "i'd die for ..." (= |
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| 04:58.20 | jair | I am doing that with an architect and other two guys |
| 04:58.22 | JackBlack | hey hey fellows |
| 04:58.30 | britt | deadcat: im not your average moron :p |
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| 04:58.39 | JackBlack | guys |
| 04:58.48 | ootput | deadcat: do you use bugreport? |
| 04:58.49 | JackBlack | non related question here.. :) |
| 04:59.02 | JackBlack | how is it possible to have "live" ninuxes on cds? |
| 04:59.03 | deadcat | britt: hehe. no because if they die. whats the point of the for part. |
| 04:59.11 | JackBlack | I mean where do u download a file or save file u work on? |
| 04:59.13 | deadcat | ootput: nope. too lazy. (= |
| 04:59.21 | Guerin | JackBlack: what's a 'ninux'? |
| 04:59.23 | britt | deadcat: good observation. :) |
| 04:59.26 | JackBlack | ninuxes = linuxes * |
| 04:59.39 | deadcat | britt: ya.. because i always say kill |
| 04:59.45 | JackBlack | <Guerin> sorry.. my fingers are too fat |
| 04:59.50 | Guerin | JackBlack: you can download files into ram, or onto a separate disk, like a usb drive or a hard disk in the machine |
| 05:00.14 | britt | okay, jair i wish i could pm you my email addy so i could help you more |
| 05:00.18 | JackBlack | so I do need to format hard drive for it? |
| 05:00.23 | zorelha | how i configure my card video? |
| 05:00.24 | britt | but good luck |
| 05:00.31 | Guerin | JackBlack: nope. |
| 05:00.33 | britt | i'm always on here (recently) |
| 05:00.43 | JackBlack | <Guerin> can u briefly explain please? |
| 05:00.51 | Guerin | zorelha: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 05:00.56 | JackBlack | for example where are user data saved? |
| 05:01.01 | Guerin | JackBlack: don't use <nick>, use nick: |
| 05:01.03 | zorelha | Guerin thanks |
| 05:01.04 | JackBlack | like user accounts... |
| 05:01.27 | Guerin | JackBlack: user data can be saved anywhere you want it. If you have a usb key or somesuch, you can save data to that |
| 05:01.28 | gentgeen__ | JackBlack, most of those will let you mount your current HD (assuming not XP fomating) and then you can read/write to the HD for your files |
| 05:01.29 | JackBlack | gotcha, Guerin |
| 05:01.33 | britt | deadcat: "there's a sucker born every minute" |
| 05:01.48 | Guerin | JackBlack: or if there's a writable hard disk in the machine, you can save files to that |
| 05:02.11 | JackBlack | ho would it be partitioned? I assume it is not Fat or Ntfs.. right? |
| 05:02.46 | Guerin | JackBlack: the livecd has nothing to do with the partitioning. It won't change anything about the disk unless you exploicitly tell it to |
| 05:03.02 | gentgeen__ | JackBlack, you already ahve a windows machine right? this is the machine you might dual boot or use a liveCD on right? so that dire is already partitioned and formated |
| 05:03.03 | Guerin | JackBlack: of course, linux can't write to ntfs. |
| 05:03.15 | gentgeen__ | s/dire/drive |
| 05:03.29 | JackBlack | yes.. but where is user information saved to? |
| 05:03.42 | JackBlack | accounts and passwords? |
| 05:03.50 | Guerin | JackBlack: WHEREVER YOU SAVE IT TO |
| 05:03.59 | gentgeen__ | JackBlack, depends on the disto... |
| 05:04.02 | Guerin | JackBlack: the accoounts and passwords are on the cd already |
| 05:04.04 | deadcat | JackBlack: Desktop |
| 05:04.39 | JackBlack | I see, so i would not be able to alter user accounts right? |
| 05:04.45 | JackBlack | sounds fare |
| 05:04.46 | Guerin | right |
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| 05:05.07 | gentgeen__ | JackBlack, depends on the distro and what you mean by "alter" |
| 05:05.20 | JackBlack | change password.. for example of root |
| 05:05.40 | gentgeen__ | for most, you will not be able to add user or change password... but there is no need to do those things |
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| 05:06.01 | gentgeen__ | if the machine gets compromised, you just shut it down and restart |
| 05:06.02 | JackBlack | I am starting to understand it now |
| 05:06.24 | JackBlack | Lets assume a situation: |
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| 05:06.56 | JackBlack | I go to my friends place.. boot from livecd and download a file which I want to save .. my friend has winXP.. will I be able to save file? |
| 05:07.08 | JackBlack | samba server is needed? right? |
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| 05:07.33 | Guerin | JackBlack: depends if his machine is formatted ntfs or fat. ntfs will require samba or captive or something |
| 05:07.42 | gentgeen__ | you can save it to his machines HD (if not ntfs) or to any other removable media |
| 05:07.50 | Guerin | JackBlack: if it's formatted fat, you can write to it from the livecd |
| 05:08.00 | JackBlack | most are ntfs now |
| 05:08.10 | Guerin | ntfs is default |
| 05:08.17 | JackBlack | we must assume the worst scenario |
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| 05:08.42 | Guerin | JackBlack: get a usb key with a vfat filesystem on it |
| 05:08.52 | Guerin | JackBlack: it'll work in both environments |
| 05:08.54 | Phoenix92x | I have a quick question for you folks. If I have an harddrive, hda, and two other hard drives, hdb and hdc, and Im installing Debian to hda, and hda is currently set in BIOS to boot, then when the installer is asking me if i want to install grub to the master boot record, its asking about the master boot record of hda right? So if I set the BIOS to boot to the other drives it would just boot straight into Windows? (Im having som |
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| 05:09.05 | JackBlack | nice |
| 05:09.20 | JackBlack | I keep on getting surpriced by Linux World |
| 05:09.30 | Guerin | Phoenix92x: yeah. |
| 05:09.51 | gentgeen__ | JackBlack, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livecd |
| 05:09.55 | JackBlack | Gentlemen, I realy want to move away from window for once and for all |
| 05:10.11 | JackBlack | but photoshop.. macromedia make it difficult |
| 05:10.22 | JackBlack | and roboform..what a nice software |
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| 05:11.29 | Guerin | wtf does macromedia have to do with photoshop? |
| 05:11.37 | JackBlack | I emant both |
| 05:11.44 | JackBlack | adobe and macromedia products |
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| 05:11.50 | JackBlack | emant = meant |
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| 05:12.15 | gentgeen__ | which products... most have an equal on linux |
| 05:12.30 | JackBlack | what is an equivalent for dreamweaver? |
| 05:12.32 | manparaneh | isn't there apt-setup in sid? |
| 05:12.33 | Phoenix92x | anyone have any idea why "installing GRUB boot loader" is hanging at 50% with "Running 'grub-install (hd0)'.... |
| 05:13.12 | gentgeen__ | JackBlack, doing it by hand, the right way [smirk] |
| 05:13.16 | manparaneh | does sid have a replacement of apt-setup? |
| 05:13.32 | JackBlack | gentgeen__, agree but time is money nowedays |
| 05:13.36 | gentgeen__ | kind of depends on what you do with dreamweaver.... just doing simple pages, maybe nvu |
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| 05:14.06 | gentgeen__ | There has been a lotof work with WINE and dreamweaver/photoshop ... so that could be a very viable option |
| 05:14.09 | elnovato | s.o.s. |
| 05:14.28 | JackBlack | I wonder why Debian has no livecd... I love Debian |
| 05:14.58 | kevix | JackBlack: if you read planet.debian.org someone is going to start one. |
| 05:15.04 | gentgeen__ | see http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software for dreamweaver eq |
| 05:15.17 | JackBlack | k |
| 05:15.20 | elnovato | hi, ive just intalled kernel 2.6.15 , in my other box, but it seems it comes with ipv6 implemented, soo i cant conect internet or networks anymore with my oldie configuration, how i can disable ipv6 or configure it (renemba i cant access internet or apt-gets) |
| 05:15.40 | gentgeen__ | not tried any personally, like to hand code and/or CMS software |
| 05:16.10 | elnovato | << noob at ipv6 |
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| 05:19.27 | elnovato | s.o.s. |
| 05:19.37 | gentgeen__ | is the fellow that was looking to shutdown scripts in /etc/init.d/ to get better RAM proformance still here??? |
| 05:19.49 | deadcat | no |
| 05:20.17 | gentgeen__ | o-well :-) |
| 05:20.19 | kevix | gentgeen__: what has init script have to do with anything? |
| 05:20.27 | JackBlack | have u fellows heared of software called peer guardian? |
| 05:20.28 | ootput | gentgeen__: and why shutdown? |
| 05:20.36 | ootput | JackBlack: yes i have |
| 05:20.39 | Grackshrike | When I run VLC I get a bunch of errors... "GLib-WARNING **: g_main_iterate(): main loop already active in another thread," it runs for a few seconds spewing out those errors, then crashes. It did work in debian at some point. |
| 05:20.46 | JackBlack | is there similar for Linux? |
| 05:21.10 | deadcat | !u |
| 05:21.10 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:21.17 | kevix | JackBlack: what does it do? internet filtering? |
| 05:21.24 | gentgeen__ | The fellow was basically looking for a way to limit the swap usage, so he was thinking about thos things that run at startup |
| 05:21.30 | ootput | kevix: a blacklist |
| 05:21.35 | JackBlack | does not allow "p2p cops" to log you |
| 05:21.36 | gentgeen__ | I was just using some of the terms he was using |
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| 05:21.59 | kevix | JackBlack: what about tor and privoxy |
| 05:22.06 | ootput | gentgeen__: wouldn't it be more efficient as a kernel feature? |
| 05:22.34 | ootput | a feature found in ck's patch |
| 05:22.37 | JackBlack | kevix, from what I know those you mentioned are proxy anonimizers.. but not p2p blockers.. |
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| 05:23.19 | ootput | JackBlack: if you can get a hold of the database, perhaps you can add it to <firewall of choice>'s ruleset |
| 05:23.28 | gentgeen__ | ya, probably, I was just following along with that one... he commented about using Dillo over Firefox... I just thought of Amaya and was going to ask if had tried it |
| 05:23.53 | kevix | JackBlack: from what I skimmed from boingboing.net links, isp's log info about you and cache any traffic which is traceable to you for a long time. |
| 05:24.01 | deadcat | gentgeen__: dillo is nice only for text only websites. anything fancy is useless |
| 05:24.06 | JackBlack | ootput, you basicly are suggesting writing a client |
| 05:24.14 | elnovato | ?? |
| 05:24.30 | elnovato | !tell me about ipv6 disable delete it configure |
| 05:24.33 | ootput | JackBlack: no. I'm sure the list of bad ips is available somewhere. Use that in conjunction with you already-installed firewall |
| 05:24.42 | ootput | *your |
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| 05:24.57 | WireDDD | kevix, there is no way they could keep a log of everyting I do with my internet connection |
| 05:25.14 | JackBlack | that is an idea |
| 05:25.19 | gentgeen__ | deadcat, I disagree, assuming coded nicely (css, no flash required, etc) it does well, but the "fancy" (bloated) sites are a bit crazy |
| 05:25.24 | ootput | JackBlack: what I'm suggesting is a more efficient (and resourceful) technique that'll guarantee you the same results as peer-guardian |
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| 05:25.42 | deadcat | gentgeen__: i stand by what i said. |
| 05:25.43 | JackBlack | ootput, I completely agree |
| 05:25.56 | kevix | WireDDD: you traffic goes through SOMEONE's network, and they RECORD stuff. |
| 05:26.10 | JackBlack | ootput, have you heared of a very usefull software called roboform? |
| 05:26.24 | ootput | JackBlack: in my previous lifetime, yes |
| 05:26.44 | JackBlack | any of it's relatives known to you in Linux world? |
| 05:26.58 | Phoenix92x | dose anybody have any idea why my system wont boot off of an adaptec PCI IDE/133 card? |
| 05:27.16 | kevix | ootput: are you talking about a filter to block say a kid or library from access adult/restricted websites? |
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| 05:28.46 | elnovato | how to uninstall ipv6 ? |
| 05:29.08 | WireDDD | kevix, yeah but what are they going to log, my aim conversations or perhaps my google searches? |
| 05:29.16 | kevix | elnovato: I have not heard of ipv6 causing any problems. |
| 05:29.22 | WireDDD | there isn't anything worth protecting in there |
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| 05:29.45 | ootput | kevix: no. it's a feature commonly used in torrent clients such as Azuerus (sp?) that prevents IP's that are known to be linked to Anti-Piracy groups cracking down on illegal transfer of copyrighted material |
| 05:29.51 | elnovato | kevix: well, simply cant reach even my gateway with the kernel 2.6.15 |
| 05:29.56 | kevix | WireDDD: think ethereal.... any and all data. |
| 05:30.05 | ootput | kevix: sorry, prevents those IP's from seeing yours |
| 05:30.10 | ootput | JackBlack: not really |
| 05:30.16 | elnovato | kevix: i just want to use my network, with my old configuration |
| 05:30.23 | Phoenix92x | Im really confused as to why it wont boot from the drive on the adaptec IDE Card |
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| 05:30.41 | kevix | elnovato: have you tried to boot with another kernel? |
| 05:30.55 | Phoenix92x | i have the bios set to "SCSI card" which is the only option I have close to the card, and its not working, does anybody have any ideas? |
| 05:31.03 | WireDDD | kevix, anything that would be interesting I encrypt anyway |
| 05:31.03 | elnovato | kevix: yes i tried, with the old kernel, but seems something has changed, doesn work anymore |
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| 05:31.20 | kevix | ootput: i've heard of chaning the ip or mac of an interface? that? |
| 05:31.24 | elnovato | kevix: the network i mean |
| 05:31.33 | gentgeen__ | JackBlack, just read the roboform site, you may have to enter that stuff by hand :-) --- but if you want a "password keeper/generator" there are a lot of those |
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| 05:32.00 | ootput | kevix: nah. it pretty much blocks all packets from/destined to that host |
| 05:32.02 | gentgeen__ | I use Password Gorilla, use it on my USB drive, so I can use it on works Windows box or home Linux box |
| 05:32.20 | kevix | WireDDD: to any SERIOUS(fbi,nsa) effort, most encryption will be cracked. |
| 05:32.31 | ootput | kevix: something any decent firewall can handle with ease |
| 05:32.50 | WireDDD | if the fbi/nsa wants it they can have it |
| 05:32.52 | deadcat | what do you guys have thats SO secret anyway? |
| 05:33.12 | Gnea | deadcat: your mom |
| 05:33.14 | \amethyst | deadcat: nuclear weapons |
| 05:33.15 | Coweater | we're all writing books about the shadow government |
| 05:33.18 | elnovato | i just want to get ride of ipv6 , god sake |
| 05:33.20 | deadcat | Gnea: oh really? |
| 05:33.28 | phu | what is the best way to recompile debian kernel for mips device |
| 05:33.30 | Gnea | deadcat: shaved! |
| 05:33.46 | deadcat | \amethyst: you can get those on the web (= |
| 05:33.50 | kevix | phu: kernel-package ? |
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| 05:33.52 | JackBlack | good nite |
| 05:33.54 | poli | phu: make-kpkg I guess... is it available for mips? |
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| 05:34.05 | JackBlack | I am sleepy as a chineese monkey |
| 05:34.07 | JackBlack | :) |
| 05:34.08 | ootput | phu: do you mean the config optiosn? |
| 05:34.20 | Gnea | \amethyst: according to the major news networks, iran is building some |
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| 05:34.37 | phu | where can I find related documentation about kernel-package |
| 05:34.39 | kevix | phu: have you checked lists.debian.org for mips mailing lists? |
| 05:34.56 | kevix | Gnea: chinese monkeys? |
| 05:34.58 | ootput | peer-guardian won't do shit-all in that kind of situation |
| 05:35.02 | ootput | it's far too primitive |
| 05:35.51 | Grackshrike | Hmmmm, VLC works fine when I run it using gksu. It dies horribly when I run it as a normal user. |
| 05:36.07 | kevix | ootput: does p-g stop the RIAA or hackers from powning your puter? |
| 05:36.26 | Guerin | kevix: haha |
| 05:37.13 | kevix | Guerin: information overload x-) |
| 05:37.33 | kevix | Guerin: that reminds me, did you ever meet Kai? |
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| 05:38.00 | ootput | kevix: i can't say for sure.. i've never really inquired |
| 05:38.09 | dn4 | How do I setup a box to become a wireless router with a NIC that has the cable internet coming in and a ath0 Wireless card? |
| 05:38.22 | Gnea | kevix: with powerful heads |
| 05:38.23 | elnovato | how to remove ipv6 ? |
| 05:38.34 | elnovato | how to remove ipv6 ? (kernel 2.6.15) |
| 05:38.59 | Guerin | kevix: wth is kai/ |
| 05:39.00 | Gnea | elnovato: why remove it? |
| 05:39.00 | ootput | dn4: i did the same (atheros card) with an OpenBSD box |
| 05:39.13 | ootput | dn4: there's a pretty good guide that's googleable |
| 05:39.16 | kevix | dn4: if you have a ethernet in and ethernet out, its a router. setup a route. |
| 05:39.25 | kevix | Guerin: Kai Hendry? |
| 05:39.27 | dn4 | ootput, do you know of a how to guide? |
| 05:39.50 | dn4 | kevix, the thing is I want my ath0 to be the out |
| 05:39.54 | Guerin | kevix: oh, he's in a totally different part of korea to me |
| 05:39.55 | dn4 | no wires |
| 05:39.58 | elnovato | Gnea: ive just intalled kernel 2.6.15 , in my other box, but it seems it comes with ipv6 implemented, soo i cant conect internet or networks anymore with my oldie configuration, how i can disable ipv6 or configure it (renemba i cant access internet or apt-gets), the ip it shows the ifconfig is something random, not the one i setuped |
| 05:40.13 | coranz | I still can not find an ISO image for 2.6 kerenl HD install |
| 05:40.30 | coranz | It seems the tesing image is for 2.4 |
| 05:40.41 | kevix | coranz: try expert mode |
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| 05:41.30 | WireDDD | dn4, just use a regular router how-to and intead of using eth0/1 as the internal interface use your wireless card |
| 05:41.41 | kevix | dn4: try google: howto linux router |
| 05:41.43 | Gnea | elnovato: ipv6 will not prevent ipv4 from functioning. if it's loaded as a module, modprobe -r ipv6 |
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| 05:41.50 | dn4 | ok thank you everyone :) |
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| 05:42.25 | ootput | dn4: pebble linux |
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| 05:44.35 | elnovato | why ipv6 is not optionat at 2.6.15 kernel ?? it mess all around |
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| 05:45.17 | Guerin | elnovato: it is. |
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| 05:45.42 | TravisBarker | hi guys |
| 05:45.48 | TravisBarker | hey guys can somebody walk me through fdisk, i have a 20 gig hdd that i want to partition for use with linux |
| 05:45.54 | TravisBarker | and i dont want to destroy it :) |
| 05:45.57 | deadcat | TravisBarker: use cfdisk |
| 05:46.11 | elnovato | ill try this workaround to get ride of ipv6 http://lists.debian.org/debian-ipv6/2004/12/msg00014.html |
| 05:46.27 | kevix | TravisBarker: as deadcat, I always use cfdisk. is more user friendly! |
| 05:46.40 | deadcat | yeep |
| 05:46.42 | Phated | cfdisk++ |
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| 05:46.54 | TravisBarker | deadcat: yea, would love to, cant, dont ask how but im in dep hell with cfdisk and dont car to resolve the issue because this will be a one time use of any kind of fdisk |
| 05:47.08 | kevix | TravisBarker: the main thing is to PLAN what you want to do first. |
| 05:47.20 | TravisBarker | kevix: sounds like a good approach |
| 05:47.43 | TravisBarker | the drive should be a single partition of nearly 20 gig usable by linux |
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| 05:47.50 | TravisBarker | i was thinking of going with reiserfs |
| 05:48.12 | kevix | TravisBarker: so where is the problem. sounds like something to do with your eyes closed? |
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| 05:48.38 | Guerin | TravisBarker: don't use reiserfs unless you hate your data |
| 05:48.50 | TravisBarker | kevix: just scared to do it without a bit of a nudge in the right direction i realy dont want to screw it up :) |
| 05:48.58 | kevix | Guerin: is that for v3 v4 or both? |
| 05:49.10 | TravisBarker | Guerin: better suggestion? ext3 or ? |
| 05:49.24 | deadcat | ext3 rocks |
| 05:49.37 | Guerin | kevix: v3 is known to break horribly; v4 is too new for anyone to really speak authoritatively about |
| 05:49.49 | Guerin | TravisBarker: ext3.If you have redundant power, consider xfs. |
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| 05:50.16 | poli | Guerin: Why xfs if you have redundant power? |
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| 05:50.23 | TravisBarker | Guerin: no redundant power on this box |
| 05:50.56 | Guerin | poli: because most of xfs's faults only manifest if the machine shuts down abruptly. Redundant power gives you time to shut down gracefully. |
| 05:51.03 | Guerin | TravisBarker: ext3, then. |
| 05:51.27 | poli | Guerin: But why under redudant power would xfs be better than ext3? |
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| 05:51.52 | kevix | Guerin: isn't the point of journaled FS to withstand abrupt power shutdown? |
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| 05:52.46 | elnovato | weeehhh worked !! :D |
| 05:53.11 | kevix | elnovato: so what does the secret? modprobe -r ? |
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| 05:53.31 | Guerin | kevix: not explicitly. |
| 05:53.41 | elnovato | that workaround, editing the /etc/modprobe/alises |
| 05:53.48 | poli | reiser is journalled and it hates your data |
| 05:53.53 | Guerin | poli: because xfs is much faster for some sorts of operations than ext3 is. |
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| 06:10.17 | beowulf_lives | where would I get findsuper - it's not installed w/ e2fsprogs ? |
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| 06:14.54 | phu | any way to change what "uname -r" output |
| 06:15.30 | kevin | phu: change your kernel? |
| 06:16.19 | phu | yes, I have kernel with 2.4.30, and I compiled a driver on 2.4.30-mipsel, and the system don't like it |
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| 06:17.16 | kevin | phu: is your system running a mipsel? |
| 06:17.25 | phu | I compiled the madwifi source from a mipsel device based on kernel 2.4.30 |
| 06:17.28 | phu | yes |
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| 06:17.59 | kevin | phu: what is the error message |
| 06:18.02 | phu | I am using kernel source of 2.4.30 as well |
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| 06:18.31 | kevin | phu: that would see to match. |
| 06:18.37 | elnovato | what packs are needed to make works , opengl ? |
| 06:19.00 | phu | when I tried to use "insmod ath_pci", it said current kernel is 2.4.30 and driver is compiled as 2.4.30-mipsel |
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| 06:19.40 | kevin | phu: so you may want to use the 'force' option |
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| 06:21.04 | yrw | hi. i a newbebi on linux , were i go to lear about linux , need helping instaling firefox |
| 06:21.14 | Guerin | phu: is it compiled against -mipsel configured headers/ |
| 06:21.16 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:21.28 | Guerin | yrw: aptitude install mozilla-firefox |
| 06:21.31 | Guerin | yrw: done |
| 06:21.47 | yrw | not the new version... |
| 06:21.49 | kevin | yrw: this is a channel for debian. are you using debian gnu/linux ? |
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| 06:22.08 | yrw | yes |
| 06:22.10 | kevin | yrw: ok. which version. |
| 06:22.11 | phu | do you mean I can change the mipsel setting from Makefile or something? |
| 06:22.13 | yrw | on gum |
| 06:22.20 | ipecac | apt-get install synaptic |
| 06:22.21 | LinuxNIT | hey guys i have debian installed with /root and /home on separate partitions. i need the parition that /home is on. would it work to copy all data from the /home partition into the /home folder and remove the corrosponding line from fstab? |
| 06:22.22 | yrw | i don't know.. |
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| 06:22.33 | ipecac | synaptic makes using apt easier |
| 06:22.52 | Paivakil | LinuxNIT: why did you crate a separate /root partition? |
| 06:22.58 | yrw | i used the comand pdtg.. |
| 06:23.05 | yrw | sorry |
| 06:23.06 | elnovato | how to install opengl ? |
| 06:23.08 | yrw | pktg |
| 06:23.19 | LinuxNIT | oops i meant / no /root sorry |
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| 06:23.27 | kevin | yrw: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:23.41 | yrw | ok , 1sec |
| 06:23.56 | Paivakil | anyways, you should move it to a separate directory, remove the /home directory from fstab, and then move the directory after unmounting the drive currently mounted at /home |
| 06:24.11 | Paivakil | LinuxNIT: moving to the current /home will not help |
| 06:24.18 | yrw | 3.1 |
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| 06:24.48 | LinuxNIT | well i intended to do it from a livecd :) |
| 06:25.03 | kevin | yrw: did you install it in the last year? it sounds like you are using Sarge. |
| 06:25.03 | LinuxNIT | so it would not be mounted at /home |
| 06:25.30 | yrw | no, it is from a cd... |
| 06:25.45 | kevin | LinuxNIT: what is the need to move it. it works, so why change things? |
| 06:25.45 | LinuxNIT | Paivakil, is it safe for the OS though? it wont cause problems will it? |
| 06:25.53 | LinuxNIT | i need the partition |
| 06:26.19 | Paivakil | LinuxNIT: no; but I suppose you are going to make the `move' from the live cd? |
| 06:26.30 | kevin | LinuxNIT: just make sure you have enought space before you move it! |
| 06:26.40 | LinuxNIT | kevin, :) ok |
| 06:26.47 | kevin | yrw: most folks install Debian from a CD? |
| 06:27.01 | yrw | hooo cool... |
| 06:27.17 | Azar | yrw with debian you use command line to install packages: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 06:27.17 | kevin | LinuxNIT: you can mount /home on say /oldhome and then create /home and move stuff. |
| 06:27.28 | yrw | hooooo |
| 06:27.30 | yrw | coool |
| 06:27.31 | yrw | thank |
| 06:27.38 | LinuxNIT | Paivakil, i would be in the live cd when i moved the data from the partition to /home and when i deleted the line from fstab |
| 06:27.51 | yrw | cool |
| 06:27.51 | Paivakil | LinuxNIT: ok |
| 06:27.54 | yrw | is working |
| 06:28.01 | yrw | thank you kevin |
| 06:28.10 | LinuxNIT | so i should be safe? |
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| 06:28.12 | kevin | yrw: if you 'man apt-get' it should help. |
| 06:28.20 | Paivakil | LinuxNIT: then, fstab is the only file you will need to alter; make sure the file permissions are intact while moving |
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| 06:28.36 | kevix | yrw: come back again |
| 06:28.39 | LinuxNIT | ok good idea :) |
| 06:28.42 | LinuxNIT | thanks guys |
| 06:28.53 | yrw | really tank you ... |
| 06:28.55 | Azar | yrw: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch1.en.html |
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| 06:29.23 | yrw | coool |
| 06:29.26 | kevix | LinuxNIT: home is not a dangerous thing to move unlike /bin ! |
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| 06:29.47 | LinuxNIT | :) |
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| 06:30.04 | elnovato | how to know if posix is installed on my system? |
| 06:30.10 | Azar | ... they still did not removed the "non-us" reference out of that manual |
| 06:30.17 | LinuxNIT | k well igtg get some home work done right quick :) |
| 06:30.25 | LinuxNIT | thansk kevix and Paivakil |
| 06:30.44 | kevix | LinuxNIT: I take most of the contents of /home (which is data) and move it do /data, which makes /home real small! |
| 06:30.51 | Azar | wonder what tf is so hard to edit that |
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| 06:31.06 | kevix | Azar: file a bug! |
| 06:31.15 | Azar | kevix, I did, 2 weeks ago |
| 06:31.31 | dmacks | .wuck |
| 06:31.33 | elnovato | !tell me about posix |
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| 06:31.53 | kevix | Azar: cool! |
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| 06:32.24 | Azar | I got reply that it was forwarded to the maintainer, but I see still it was not edited |
| 06:32.50 | lazzarello | debootstrap seems to be broken in sid... |
| 06:32.52 | Azar | hmm the HOWTO was posted in August 2005 and I remember by that time non-us was gone |
| 06:33.15 | kevix | Azar: not sure but ask in you do a 'nmu' on documentation? |
| 06:34.24 | lazzarello | errr, dbootstrap broken in sarge when installing sid in chroot |
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| 06:34.54 | Azar | kevix, I guess I will just directly e-mail the editor of that apt-howto |
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| 06:36.10 | kevix | Azar: non-debian folks can help by doing stuff and then getting debian folks to upload it. |
| 06:37.21 | Azar | kevix, I am a bit stranded e-mail-wise... that why I am not able to join or participate |
| 06:37.28 | elnovato | any ideaas about to know if posix is installed? |
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| 06:37.36 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:37.36 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:38.14 | dn4 | how do you create a free internet? |
| 06:38.31 | tarzeau | dn4: give access to it to everybody. don't censor |
| 06:38.34 | kevix | elnovato: unix,linux,windows=posix compliant |
| 06:38.51 | dn4 | tarzeau, how do we do accomplish this? |
| 06:38.52 | elnovato | oh, i c, thanks |
| 06:39.07 | tarzeau | dn4: we? |
| 06:39.09 | dn4 | tarzeau, isn't the government censoring us from China? |
| 06:39.20 | tarzeau | dn4: it's the other way around. wait you're in .cn? |
| 06:39.24 | elnovato | what glibc version uses debian etch ? |
| 06:39.36 | Azar | ok I hope he will not trash my message |
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| 06:39.57 | kevix | dn4: there are ways around censership on the net. |
| 06:40.05 | LinuxNIT | i hear there are deb repositories for e17. anyone know what they are? |
| 06:40.07 | tarzeau | dn4: actually the internet is pretty free |
| 06:40.25 | Azar | except for long distance surfing.. |
| 06:40.26 | dn4 | tarzeau, what do you mean the other way around? |
| 06:40.27 | Azar | :) |
| 06:40.30 | tarzeau | what i would like to know how much people and who do track peoples privacy |
| 06:40.38 | tarzeau | (i mean large scale, by governments) |
| 06:40.51 | tarzeau | dn4: china is censoring |
| 06:40.56 | Azar | tarzeau look on your /tmp and will find out |
| 06:41.04 | tarzeau | dn4: "isn't the government censoring us from China?" |
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| 06:41.21 | kevix | LinuxNIT: is that enlightenment? apt-cache search enlightenment |
| 06:41.29 | tarzeau | Azar: huh? |
| 06:42.07 | dn4 | tarzeau, So china does not want to have the citizen to have access to free info? |
| 06:42.11 | Azar | tarzeau I have a strange app in my /tmp that keeps connecting I do not know where keeping stats on my machine usage |
| 06:42.21 | tarzeau | dn4: i think so, but there's more than that in china |
| 06:42.41 | Azar | I removed the application and at the next boot is back there again |
| 06:42.42 | elnovato | !tell me about glibc |
| 06:42.47 | kevix | dn4: you can email someone in china. even use pgp. no? |
| 06:43.00 | tarzeau | Azar: that doesn't sound good. remove internet cable,check box, reinstall |
| 06:43.11 | dn4 | kevix, not sure |
| 06:43.13 | tarzeau | kevix: how deadly is that for the recipient? |
| 06:43.14 | Azar | uh now is gone :) |
| 06:43.26 | LinuxNIT | kevix, isnt that e16 though? im looking for e17. e17 has not officially been released |
| 06:43.28 | kevix | Azar: sounds like rootkit. |
| 06:43.36 | tarzeau | dn4: but china is just one country among many like that |
| 06:43.50 | DITA | hai |
| 06:43.57 | dn4 | if the internet is just computers connected to each other, how do we create the FREE network? |
| 06:43.59 | Azar | kevix hmmm it would be dumb to show off in /tmp |
| 06:44.11 | tarzeau | dn4: what do you really want? |
| 06:44.12 | Azar | too easy to find out |
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| 06:44.23 | Azar | is net related |
| 06:44.27 | dn4 | tarzeau, Free internet access with out having to foot the bill |
| 06:44.27 | kevix | LinuxNIT: in that case, go to e17 site and see if they have .deb |
| 06:44.30 | tarzeau | dn4: start providing internet access to your neighbours for free |
| 06:44.34 | dn4 | tarzeau, alsof or the masses!! |
| 06:44.39 | tarzeau | dn4: and hope others do that as well |
| 06:44.47 | LinuxNIT | they dont |
| 06:44.50 | tarzeau | dn4: buy www.free-internet-worldwide.org |
| 06:44.51 | DITA | hai |
| 06:45.09 | dn4 | hahaha |
| 06:45.10 | elnovato | anyone using a Ati radeon card user around? |
| 06:45.29 | tarzeau | elnovato: yes |
| 06:45.30 | dn4 | well where is the node of control? |
| 06:45.31 | tarzeau | !ask |
| 06:45.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 06:45.38 | tarzeau | dn4: it doesn't exist |
| 06:45.44 | LinuxNIT | but i know somebody packaged it for deb but i dont know where the rpository is |
| 06:45.45 | kevix | tarzeau: freedom has consequences. use stegnegraphy |
| 06:45.47 | tarzeau | dn4: if it would, it could have never gotten as free as it is now |
| 06:45.54 | tarzeau | kevix: huh? |
| 06:46.12 | tarzeau | kevix: care to name the consequences? and what's got stegonagraphy got to do with anything? |
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| 06:46.45 | Azar | tarzeau, I googled for this instance and never found but only statistical pages: /tmp/ssh-VdBTNz1928/agent.1928 |
| 06:46.50 | dn4 | kevix, so the Steganography keeps us from freedom? |
| 06:47.13 | tarzeau | dn4: no |
| 06:47.17 | Paivakil | dn4: no it is the other way around |
| 06:47.19 | Azar | and tarzeau, firefox will never open a page related to agent.1928 you have to use IE |
| 06:47.38 | tarzeau | Azar: i have no idea what your problem is, sorry |
| 06:47.44 | kevix | tarzeau: I said to email someone in china and you said how deadly would it be for them, well if it was found out, just look at what happened to that guy that yahoo told on. |
| 06:47.56 | Azar | tarzeau: it is ok you are not the only one, not even google can |
| 06:48.14 | dn4 | Is there a way to track back to the source of the connection? |
| 06:48.17 | tarzeau | kevix: pity PGP doesn't encrypt mail headers |
| 06:48.25 | kevix | dn4: no. if you live in a resonably free society you would not need it. |
| 06:49.20 | tarzeau | dn4: they are spread worldwide, google for AS and check traceroute |
| 06:49.26 | tarzeau | dn4: and also check dns root servers... |
| 06:49.37 | kevix | tarzeau: would it be possible to design smtp servers to encrypt traffic end to end |
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| 06:49.40 | dn4 | tarzeau, Are the DNS nodes of control? |
| 06:49.56 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 06:49.56 | tarzeau | kevix: i think there is already a way to do that, it's just too complicated |
| 06:50.01 | Paivakil | dn4: why bother? |
| 06:50.02 | tarzeau | kevix: and not much people use it |
| 06:50.09 | tarzeau | dn4: no |
| 06:50.12 | tarzeau | dn4: only partly |
| 06:50.18 | dn4 | tarzeau, what is the other part? |
| 06:50.26 | tarzeau | dn4: there is no central controlling instance on internet |
| 06:50.41 | tarzeau | dn4: there's like 13 root dns servers |
| 06:51.03 | dn4 | there are 13 |
| 06:51.20 | tarzeau | and some are a bunch of machines spread geographically at their site |
| 06:51.21 | Azar | I am so stupid |
| 06:51.23 | kevix | tarzeau: that seems to be the general problem with any security mechanism. too complicated and no one uses it. |
| 06:51.30 | tarzeau | kevix: i disagree |
| 06:51.30 | dn4 | So these 13 DNS then create branches of more DNS? |
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| 06:51.33 | Azar | it has to do with some system someone reports: |
| 06:51.37 | Azar | localhost pci.agent[1928]: ... can't load module e100 |
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| 06:51.41 | dn4 | http://www.root-servers.org/ |
| 06:51.51 | tarzeau | kevix: it can easily be made simple to use |
| 06:51.56 | tarzeau | kevix: it just that nobody cares enough |
| 06:52.06 | tarzeau | dn4: they only know of top level domains |
| 06:52.09 | kevix | tarzeau: how many non-geeks use pgp encrypted email regularly? |
| 06:52.24 | kevix | tarzeau: yes. I know, i use mutt. |
| 06:52.29 | tarzeau | kevix: not much, see the pgp keyserver statistics, count only keys that at least have one signature |
| 06:52.34 | tarzeau | kevix: that's less than one million |
| 06:52.48 | starfishy | there is an easier way to not reveal any private email content |
| 06:52.54 | Nazcafan | hi, which one is the file where all the login history is stored ? |
| 06:52.55 | starfishy | dont email stuff that should remain private |
| 06:53.14 | tarzeau | Nazcafan: see /var/log , check the commands last and lastlog |
| 06:53.16 | kevix | tarzeau: so, it 'outlook' required it.... |
| 06:53.19 | starfishy | works even with people, who dont use encrypters |
| 06:53.42 | tarzeau | starfishy: that doesn't solved the problem that people want to exchange information |
| 06:53.44 | dn4 | is there an ultimate DNS that gives the 13 DNS creation ? |
| 06:53.57 | kevix | starfishy: gpg? |
| 06:54.00 | tarzeau | starfishy: telephone,telefax is worse than email |
| 06:54.04 | dn4 | Since the system is a hierarchy there must be a point at the top. |
| 06:54.17 | starfishy | tarzeau: there are methods, that are reasonably private |
| 06:54.18 | tarzeau | starfishy: just because way too many people don't grasp internet |
| 06:54.30 | tarzeau | starfishy: name them please |
| 06:54.34 | starfishy | there is no such thing as unbreakable code |
| 06:54.44 | tarzeau | starfishy: nobody wanted that |
| 06:54.53 | starfishy | face to face meeting |
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| 06:54.58 | kevix | dn4: root dns servers |
| 06:55.03 | Nazcafan | tarzeau: that only gives the lastlog, I need the whole history |
| 06:55.08 | mozi | i want to move my current installation completely over to another (3x bigger) partition. is rsync the right tool? is it a backup with a compressed file format? i want a bit image of my current system, one which will boot up and work as it is now. |
| 06:55.10 | kevix | starfishy: talk in navaho ! |
| 06:55.16 | starfishy | kevix: or that |
| 06:55.24 | starfishy | steganography |
| 06:55.33 | Paivakil | mozi: simpl mv will do |
| 06:55.51 | starfishy | its technically not unbreakable but no person in their right mind will search random pictures for hidden messages |
| 06:55.54 | dn4 | kevix, how do you know a Root DNS server from other addresses? |
| 06:56.01 | Paivakil | mozi: and if the disk/partiton changes, you need to dit the /etc/fstab fil too |
| 06:56.24 | starfishy | whereas if you crypt the conventional way the likelyhood of someone suspecting something is about 100% |
| 06:56.47 | kevix | dn4: use google or wikipedia! |
| 06:56.51 | Paivakil | dn4: google has answers for all these |
| 06:57.09 | mozi | Paivakil: agree about the fstab stuff. can i specify a partition in mv command? |
| 06:57.27 | jm_ | mozi: simply copy it over, read Hard disk upgrade howto |
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| 06:57.45 | kevix | mozi: 1) use cfdisk 2)make partion 3) format 4) move |
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| 06:58.50 | Paivakil | mozi: kevix has answered that |
| 06:58.52 | tarzeau | dn4: host is the tool you want |
| 06:59.06 | mozi | kevix: thks, will look up 'man' on those command first. u did this before? |
| 06:59.08 | Nazcafan | ok it was auth.log |
| 06:59.10 | elnovato | tarzeau: hi, if better to use ati.com drivers, to generate .debs or let the installer make it all ? |
| 06:59.25 | tarzeau | elnovato: use the non-free drivers if you can |
| 06:59.32 | tarzeau | elnovato: i mean the other way around |
| 06:59.54 | dn4 | ok kback to your encryption stuff. IS there a way to encrypt every message every typed and sent, even through irc? |
| 06:59.56 | elnovato | tarzeau: where to get that drivers? |
| 07:00.00 | kevix | mozi: birds to it, bees do it, even kewl geeks do it. |
| 07:00.09 | tarzeau | elnovato: don't use the non-freeone, use the free one |
| 07:00.35 | kevix | dn4: on your computer? through the internet? |
| 07:00.44 | elnovato | tarzeau: you mean, use the packages via apt? |
| 07:01.02 | dn4 | kevix, yes |
| 07:01.14 | kevix | dn4: which one? |
| 07:01.32 | eeyore- | dn4: most protocols don't use encryption |
| 07:01.35 | poli | dn4: you can only encrypt something and hope it is still useful if the other side is able to decrypt it. So if you want your IRC messages to be encrypted all the way to the server, the server needs to support that. No, freenode does not. |
| 07:01.42 | eeyore- | dn4: with no provision for encryption even if you wanted |
| 07:01.42 | dn4 | I suspect this is a question as to what type of enceryption to use, not sure which one. |
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| 07:03.03 | dn4 | kevix, through the internet :) but the question was already answered by poli |
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| 07:04.00 | dn4 | last question, is there a good website out there that shows a gui of all the Root DNS servers branches ? |
| 07:04.05 | v3 | hello all |
| 07:04.31 | v3 | I am not able to use joystick as a normel user ... i was wondering if there is a games group or something ... the device is /dev/input/js0 |
| 07:04.35 | SimonRaven | dn4: that makes no sense |
| 07:04.53 | SimonRaven | v3: getent group |
| 07:05.18 | dn4 | SimonRaven, I mean I want to see a gui of the network they have under their hierarchy. |
| 07:05.44 | mozi | kevix: just return fr reading 'man'. still doubtful about 'mv'. i will have to mv dir by dir? |
| 07:05.47 | SimonRaven | do you know what gui means? |
| 07:05.55 | dn4 | graphical user interface |
| 07:06.09 | v3 | SimonRaven: tnx that's a nice command .... |
| 07:06.11 | elnovato | tarzeau: what is the name of the package for ati drivers? |
| 07:06.15 | eeyore- | dn4: why do you want to know? root-server-hacking-101? |
| 07:06.17 | v3 | what else does it do ? |
| 07:06.43 | Paivakil | mozi: use the --recursive option |
| 07:06.46 | dn4 | lots of questions with out answers are a buzzin in my brain. |
| 07:06.55 | v3 | never mind i will look up the manpage ;) |
| 07:07.25 | eeyore- | dn4: ask questions with likely meaningful answers. or, put another way, what do the operators of root servers have to gain by making this tool for you? |
| 07:07.36 | eeyore- | dn4: don't you think they have enough to do? |
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| 07:07.52 | elnovato | !tell me about ati drivers |
| 07:08.03 | SimonRaven | yes. do you know what you're saying? there is no such thing. do you mean an illustration or some sort of picture of this? |
| 07:08.32 | SimonRaven | dn4: yes, but you need to think about those questions first |
| 07:08.45 | kevix | dn4: using gnu/linux does that.... |
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| 07:09.06 | mozi | Paivakil: no --recursive or -r in mv. |
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| 07:09.52 | tonyyarusso | Ohp, idea: I would like to collect data in the realm of "What Windows users want / Objections to switching to Linux that need to be addressed". I have seen one person with wiki pages on this. Is there some centralized group I should collaborate with, or just go off and do some stuff? |
| 07:10.21 | elnovato | this drivers here, http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html are compatible with xorg 6.9 ?? |
| 07:10.31 | kevix | mozi: then make the files into a tar archive. then move the tar archive, then untar. |
| 07:10.50 | Guerin | tonyyarusso: #debian sure ain't the place for that. None of us care what windows users think. |
| 07:10.55 | [6502] | hello. is there a doc somewhere that can shed some light on the /dev/snd mess ? I'm getting quite bored of all those spurious "device busy" errors and sound randomly working or not working... |
| 07:11.01 | kevix | tonyyarusso: in a word: thinking. |
| 07:11.20 | dn4 | eeyore-, yes root server operators have enough to do and giving a gui of a vast network system would help inform me on a visual level as to what they have to deal with. |
| 07:11.52 | kevix | [6502]: have you tried alsaconfig ? |
| 07:11.52 | tonyyarusso | Guerin: But don't you care about promoting Linux, and recognize that most of those not using it are currently using Windows? |
| 07:12.19 | SimonRaven | tonyyarusso: there are a lot of social and psychological pressures in this "issue". you can't just sum it up really easily without coming at it from all angles possible |
| 07:12.24 | sep | tonyyarusso, marketshare is overrated. |
| 07:12.30 | dn4 | eeyore-, the gain is minimal if any though. |
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| 07:12.41 | mozi | kevix: space problem. the current partition has >6GB of stuff and only 160MB left, probably not enough to hold the tar file. |
| 07:12.41 | Guerin | tonyyarusso: people need to change for their own reasons. I'm not interested in evangelising. |
| 07:13.01 | tonyyarusso | SimonRaven: True, but there's only so much you can do. Open to suggestion if you have extra things I should do. |
| 07:13.14 | Guerin | tonyyarusso: the fact is that most of the things windows users think they want will most likely never be available in free software - they want windows. |
| 07:13.21 | kevix | mozi: there are ways to tar stuff from one machine to another... |
| 07:13.29 | [6502] | kevix: i didin't try anything, but i really can't understand what should i try to do. i'm using a debian sarge with kde and i thought that artsd is the sound manager (there are two processes with that name that sometimes appear as lsof /dev/snd) |
| 07:13.33 | tonyyarusso | sep: Not rating anything based on market share, just noting it as a base point. |
| 07:13.35 | SimonRaven | tonyyarusso: christians evangelise. nothing. people have their own reasons. i'm not interested in prosyletising |
| 07:13.43 | tonyyarusso | Guerin: Okay; to each his own. |
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| 07:14.01 | mozi | kevix: in that case rsync can be considered too? |
| 07:14.16 | [6502] | kevix: i'm simply totally confused... sometimes vlc works, sometimes just crashes with an error on the sound device. no way to use timidity now but i rememner i heard it playing a few days ago... |
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| 07:14.59 | [6502] | kevis: now /dev/snd simply isn't present |
| 07:15.20 | kevix | mozi: there are many ways. make a script to copy the files one by one, use rsync, use tar, ... |
| 07:15.34 | Azar | tonyyarusso: I really hate to do this but just to satisfy your curiosity: I moved to debian without seeing any advertising of it around. |
| 07:15.41 | kevix | [6502]: what kind of sound card to you have? |
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| 07:15.52 | Azar | that's what attracted me most |
| 07:16.17 | mozi | kevix: ok. btw, what's a kewl geek? |
| 07:16.32 | tonyyarusso | Azar: Okay, but why? What was your impulse or draw otherwise? What sorts of things made you consider it initially, and then turned curiosity into a significant decision to switch? |
| 07:16.33 | kevix | tonyyarusso: look at what ubuntu is doing.. they want to evangelize. |
| 07:16.42 | tonyyarusso | kevix: Yes, that's true. |
| 07:16.46 | Azar | tonyyarusso: call it "hate of overadvertising" |
| 07:16.48 | [6502] | kevix: hmmm... do you mean what dmesg says ? i never looked at it. the konsole buzzs when i backspace too much so i'm pretty sure the sound hw is working more than properly |
| 07:17.11 | kevix | [6502]: yes. lspci or dmesg |
| 07:17.15 | tonyyarusso | Azar: Okay. Is that the only thing? |
| 07:17.15 | elnovato | significant to switch?? huh, i use both, depends on customer, diferent scope |
| 07:17.47 | Azar | tonyyarusso: I do not use the telephone, I rarely watch TV I do not go movies, I do not listen to the radio: reason: advertisments make me puke |
| 07:17.59 | kevix | mozi: huh. you are using gnu/linux and you dont know what a geek is. that would be any body here! |
| 07:18.07 | [6502] | kevix: Intel 810 + AC97 Audio, version 1.01, 09:49:29 Aug 17 2005 |
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| 07:18.24 | [6502] | kevix: i810: SiS 7012 found at IO 0xb400 and 0xb800, MEM 0x0000 and 0x0000, IRQ 21 |
| 07:18.24 | mozi | kevix: i mean a 'kewl geek'. |
| 07:18.24 | sep | Azar, the adblock extension integrated in a copple of shades... would be nice :) |
| 07:18.31 | tonyyarusso | Azar: And yet you can manage to connect to the internet and be one of the few that avoids it. Impressive. |
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| 07:18.41 | mozi | kevix: the adjective 'kewl'. |
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| 07:18.53 | Jmax | !opera |
| 07:18.53 | dpkg | it has been said that opera is a commercial web browser for Linux/Windows and other OSes. Version 6 for Linux is out and debs are available on the download page at http://www.opera.com/download/linux.html or at 'deb http://www.opera.com/debian potato non-free', or that deb line is reported to be maybe broken. go poke around the site. go full screen mode and right click> show menu bar> [and avoid the ads] damn nice browser, especially under the hood. ... |
| 07:19.06 | Azar | tonyyarusso: last I checked, the internet was not made by a mega advertisment corporation |
| 07:19.08 | kevix | mozi: i'm sure wikipedia would have a better answer than me! |
| 07:19.38 | Azar | tonyyarusso: if you refer to a browser, check links and you will know how I surf |
| 07:19.38 | eeyore- | that explains it |
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| 07:19.45 | mozi | kevix: is it supposed to be 'cool'? |
| 07:19.49 | tonyyarusso | Azar: No, but it has certainly had massive sections of it invaded by them. |
| 07:19.57 | eeyore- | without a paycheck, how are you gonna get a phone, own a TV, or go to the movies |
| 07:20.05 | Azar | tonyyarusso: try to surf with "links" |
| 07:20.05 | kevix | tonyyarusso: why aren't you mom, dad, neighbors using gnu/linux ? |
| 07:20.09 | tonyyarusso | eeyore-: Very carefully. |
| 07:20.17 | sep | after installing vmware-tools. mkinitrd failes with FATAL modules not found. with a broken initrd as a result the reason seam to be the modules vmware-tools installes in /lib/modules/(uname -r)/misc/ becouse if i rm that directory (misc) mkinitrd works as expected. how can i have the vmware-modules in /lib/modules/ and still have mkinitrd function ? is it wort writing a bug about this. or will it just be ignored since vmware is propritary ? |
| 07:20.30 | tonyyarusso | Azar: I have actually, and elinks and w3m. Some good stuff there. |
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| 07:20.49 | Azar | yep at least I am spared of popups and images |
| 07:20.49 | eeyore- | vmware has an installation script that makes modules |
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| 07:21.00 | [6502] | kevix: dpkg -l | grep alsa spits nothing.... |
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| 07:21.14 | Guerin | alsa modules don't have 'alsa' in them |
| 07:21.15 | sep | eeyore-, yes exactly and after you'v made the modules mkinitrd failes |
| 07:21.21 | elnovato | sep: you should try #vmware |
| 07:21.36 | tonyyarusso | kevix: Mom and dad are starting to get into it slowly. One computer at home with it. Both said they'd try installing dual-boot with their laptops, but want me to do the installation, so that will have to happen when I'm over there and have the time. |
| 07:21.53 | sep | elnovato, this is a issue with mkinitrd dieing on tainted modules i dont think it's related to what module it is. |
| 07:22.05 | kevix | tonyyarusso: there hope for you yet! |
| 07:22.13 | [6502] | s/installed/installer |
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| 07:22.20 | tonyyarusso | kevix: Seems that way. Just a matter of how much, right? |
| 07:22.33 | Azar | dualboot is like "quit smoking too much" just half pack/day |
| 07:22.57 | [6502] | 0823... time to run to work |
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| 07:23.03 | [6502] | kevix: thanx for your time anyway |
| 07:23.12 | [6502] | kevix: i'll fight with that tonight |
| 07:23.13 | tonyyarusso | Azar: Yes, but some people just need to "quit in their own way, quit at their own pace". |
| 07:23.27 | kevix | [6502]: never used one of those intel sound thingy. |
| 07:23.27 | Guerin | tonyyarusso: translation: not really quit at all. |
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| 07:24.21 | DeeJay | Morning |
| 07:24.34 | DeeJay | Is it possisble that a perl script can make my whole server go down and crash? The perl is huge, its something called "hlstatsx" |
| 07:24.38 | kevix | Guerin: if you dont understand the 'freedom' thing, then you dont see the need to quit. |
| 07:24.46 | tonyyarusso | Guerin: Depends on the person. |
| 07:24.46 | [6502] | kevix: the HW is working... the mess is IMO at an higher level, but i cant find a doc that recaps all the competing ultimate solutions in that area |
| 07:25.18 | kevix | [6502]: I just recall killing esd and then the other apps had sound. |
| 07:25.46 | tonyyarusso | Guerin: A lot of the people I talk to about Linux know absolutely nothing about it - don't even comprehend the concept - but after seeing it and working with it for a little while start to realize that it's not all scary stuff and they can actually handle it. |
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| 07:26.22 | JNelson | I've got some dependencies problems with testing |
| 07:26.37 | JNelson | I can't upgrade udev unless I upgrade the kernel, and I can't upgrade the kernel until I upgrade |
| 07:26.37 | kevix | [6502]: sound like a douglas adams idea. |
| 07:26.40 | JNelson | upgrade udev |
| 07:26.50 | tonyyarusso | kevix: Well, freedom or just money. Was talking to some others about the total cost to upgrade to Vista soon, since it will likely require buying the new software along with massive hardware upgrades to support it. |
| 07:26.50 | JNelson | apt-get -f install doesn't help |
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| 07:26.55 | DeeJay | Is it possisble that a perl script can make my whole server go down and crash? The perl is huge, its something called "hlstatsx" |
| 07:26.58 | JNelson | should I just force install udev? |
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| 07:27.41 | kevix | tonyyarusso: bill love to spend your money on supporting the HW folks! |
| 07:28.02 | tonyyarusso | kevix: Yep. |
| 07:28.09 | kevix | DeeJay: it seems so if your asking. |
| 07:28.27 | kevix | tonyyarusso: and adding DRM in the process! |
| 07:28.46 | DeeJay | kevix even if the script is beeing run under a non-root user? |
| 07:28.58 | Azar | the vole trustworthy computing is just a farce... I am glad I moved to Debian, at least I am more in touch and learning more about my system than ever |
| 07:29.13 | kevix | DeeJay: use 'top' if it uses all the memory... why not. |
| 07:29.24 | dark`zzz | DeeJay, maybe it causes you internet connection to go down, but the server will be fine |
| 07:29.31 | JNelson | actually... it looks like the kernel upgraded fine already |
| 07:29.32 | DeeJay | The server is crashing, for sure |
| 07:29.45 | JNelson | just that udev wants the currently running kernel to be newer |
| 07:29.50 | JNelson | I'll reboot then :) |
| 07:29.52 | bleaked | any eta on amarok 1.4 in unstable? |
| 07:29.57 | JNelson | bye bye |
| 07:30.20 | SimonRaven | bleaked: #debian-kde |
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| 07:30.57 | bleaked | SimonRaven. they never answer. |
| 07:31.05 | bleaked | SimonRaven. i always try there first. |
| 07:31.14 | elnovato | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of fglrx-driver: fglrx-driver depends on xserver-xorg (<< 6.8.99); however: Version of xserver-xorg on system is 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4. |
| 07:31.14 | dpkg | elnovato: that's too long |
| 07:31.36 | elnovato | ouch, sorry, any implicances about that package? |
| 07:32.17 | kevix | elnovato: it seems you need to somehow downgrade X |
| 07:32.34 | elnovato | omagadd |
| 07:32.50 | kevix | elnovato: or get a new video card.. |
| 07:32.51 | elnovato | or better find a better fglrx driver |
| 07:33.00 | kevix | elnovato: that too. |
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| 07:33.39 | SimonRaven | good luck then |
| 07:33.47 | tonyyarusso | Well that was interesting, but I should be getting to bed. Later all. |
| 07:34.13 | kevix | tonyyarusso: come back soon, yall |
| 07:34.20 | tonyyarusso | kevix: 'k. |
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| 07:35.17 | Azar | xpdf upgrades yay! |
| 07:35.47 | sep | how do i set the dependancy so that kernel-image must be configured (not just installed) before my package can be installed. |
| 07:36.09 | elnovato | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata/fglrx-for-6.9/ << for xorg 6.9 if anyone interested |
| 07:36.35 | kevix | sep: is that like a pre-depends? |
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| 07:37.12 | kevix | elnovato: oh yea, go jb. |
| 07:37.13 | Azar | does not aptitude takes care of that? or is there another feature? |
| 07:38.14 | sep | kevix, ahh google say you'r right :) |
| 07:38.22 | sep | how easy when you know the seachword :P |
| 07:39.05 | kevix | sep: isn't there a 'man google' ? |
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| 07:40.34 | NaufraGo | which is the best bottorrent's client? |
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| 07:41.02 | epsilon | azureus |
| 07:41.05 | Guerin | wtf is a bottorrents? |
| 07:41.27 | elnovato | boottorrent? |
| 07:41.35 | konfuzed | ok hows the amd dual core support ? does it require SMP kernel to benefit? does the i386 kernel still benefit from the dual-core or does it only matter if there are applications programmed to make use of the dual core |
| 07:41.37 | epsilon | deboottorrent |
| 07:41.42 | NaufraGo | I mean, to install it in debian |
| 07:41.50 | kevix | NaufraGo: apt-cache search bittorent and try them all. |
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| 07:42.56 | kevix | konfuzed: you can use the i386 and not worry about it. |
| 07:43.20 | konfuzed | cuz my budy is drooling to buy himself and his son Dual Core AMD and mostly run desktop and then venture into video editing |
| 07:43.42 | konfuzed | kevix: thats good to know I wont have to worry about it |
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| 07:44.48 | kevix | konfuzed: get the highest speed, the most memory and the best video card that you can afford. |
| 07:45.01 | konfuzed | kevix: is there some where with info to get a sense of what kind of difference there would be between running SMP and i386 on the dual core |
| 07:45.26 | kevix | konfuzed: arstechnica ? |
| 07:45.39 | konfuzed | well the fastest dual core still has a too bleeding edge price for my taste |
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| 07:46.06 | konfuzed | I prefer if he gets something less expense and spend the budget on ram and video |
| 07:46.20 | kevix | konfuzed: sounds like a good idea. |
| 07:46.40 | konfuzed | trying to find the happy medium threshhold as it were |
| 07:46.58 | sep | konfuzed, if you want to do serious video editing consider getting fast disks for scratch space. perhaps even a raid0 if budget allowes |
| 07:47.00 | kevix | konfuzed: oh. almost forgot. hd speed and controller if you edit large files. |
| 07:47.14 | konfuzed | SATA should cover it |
| 07:47.23 | Azar | konfuzed: if you wonder what are the optimal hardware parts you would want for Debian: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s3.1.1 |
| 07:47.25 | konfuzed | but Im then hesitant to move to quickly |
| 07:48.15 | Azar | konfuzed: you could start learning with a cheap PC.. once you gained experience, venture with a more expensive one |
| 07:48.36 | kevix | konfuzed: go to the cinerela list/site to see what they recommend |
| 07:48.44 | konfuzed | ah ive been helping people buy boxes for years |
| 07:49.16 | konfuzed | but Im then hesitant to move to quickly cuz debian does not yet release SATA support |
| 07:49.20 | konfuzed | waiting for etch |
| 07:49.25 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:49.35 | Guerin | there's plenty of sata support in sarge |
| 07:49.40 | Azar | konfuzed: this is my 3rd Debian box, and only because I am not a bragging sob, I like the via chipset and AMD Sempron with nVidia GeForce MX or FX |
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| 07:50.05 | kevix | konfuzed: what does 'release SATA support' mean? |
| 07:50.22 | Azar | .... ofcourse SATA capabilities but like a stubborn donkey I am I use an IDE HD |
| 07:50.51 | konfuzed | ive observed the aches and pains of SATA in this channel and the string recommendation to wait for etch to be ready |
| 07:50.55 | Azar | kevix, SATA-ready but not necessarily using one |
| 07:50.59 | sep | konfuzed, strange that my sarge is on sata then :) but yes sarge's kernel have issues with ich6/7 chipsets but there are unofficial 2.6.14 installers you might use |
| 07:51.10 | dark`zzz | what package i need to install to have make and another dev utilities? |
| 07:51.11 | lpb-oberon | sata works fine:) |
| 07:51.12 | konfuzed | i might be able to |
| 07:51.22 | konfuzed | but not the guy buying the box |
| 07:51.39 | Azar | sep, the Sarge installer was never regognized while BIOS was set with SATA enabled |
| 07:51.57 | kevix | dark`zzz: apt-get install build-essential |
| 07:51.57 | konfuzed | i hear it is better to give em an ide for boot and system and main fs then sata for raid data array |
| 07:52.13 | Azar | I had to install woody who (bless its heart forgiving installer) allowed me an installation with a 2.4 but when I wanted to upgrade to 2.6 it borked |
| 07:52.19 | sep | Azar, sarge was never recognized ? you mean drives was not recognized. |
| 07:52.26 | sep | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 07:52.27 | dpkg | i guess sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
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| 07:52.36 | konfuzed | i could setem up with one ide hd now and then in 6 months he can get 3 - 200MB SATA for raid |
| 07:52.37 | dark`zzz | kevix, thx |
| 07:52.38 | konfuzed | oh net split |
| 07:52.39 | Azar | sep the CD was never "seen" while BIOS was with SATA enabled |
| 07:52.48 | sep | that's the image i use for ich6/7 chipsets saves me the pain of installing one and moving over |
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| 07:53.05 | sep | Azar, if the cd never booted that's a bios issue. |
| 07:53.16 | lpb-oberon | konfuzed: i am using sda as boot device - no problem |
| 07:53.24 | Azar | sep: bios issue fixed: sata disabled |
| 07:53.51 | konfuzed | so there is still no guarantees for SATA and im fine with that |
| 07:53.57 | sep | Azar, sata cdrom ? i'd expect such an issue to have a bios upgrade on vendors pages |
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| 07:54.24 | sep | konfuzed, well if the cd dont boot with sata enables on that spesific motherboard you'd never get to install any OS including xp |
| 07:54.26 | Azar | konfuzed: you can have a SATA-ready system, you can use an IDE HD with SATA disabled until etch comes out |
| 07:54.55 | konfuzed | today i mostly want to make sure that is not a mistake to get dual core and then run i386 instead of SMP kernel |
| 07:55.12 | Azar | then you will only get a SATA HD later , enable it in BIOS and you are good to go |
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| 07:55.37 | sep | Azar, im using sarge with sata, just becouse you'r motherboard have a sata issue dosn't mean every motherboard have the same issue. i have installed sarge on sata boxes several times |
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| 07:56.00 | konfuzed | cuz if they have issue with the install I give them they'll likely just roll over back to windoz |
| 07:56.04 | Azar | sep, I am not an expert, so I went with what it worked |
| 07:56.11 | konfuzed | i hate that |
| 07:56.35 | sep | Azar, that's good and wise. just dont tell everyone that sarge dont work with sata when that's not the case. |
| 07:56.40 | Azar | konfuzed: I hate to tell you again, use moderate hardware for your first time with linux |
| 07:56.45 | lpb-oberon | konfuzed: let them use windows .... |
| 07:56.47 | konfuzed | sep perhaps certain satat chipsets work and some dont |
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| 07:56.53 | konfuzed | is there a list perhaps |
| 07:57.06 | konfuzed | i suppose there is a list of supported SATA somewhere |
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| 07:57.20 | konfuzed | I could ensure it is on the board if makes a difference |
| 07:57.21 | sep | konfuzed, exactly. but they all work with a more recent kernel ence the unofficial 2.6.14 installer. |
| 07:57.24 | lpb-oberon | the asus a8n boards seem to work |
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| 07:57.59 | konfuzed | lpb-oberon: im trying to eliminate windoz from every where I go |
| 07:58.05 | konfuzed | it is the thorn in my side |
| 07:58.19 | lpb-oberon | lol:) |
| 07:58.43 | konfuzed | but people are still somewhat wuick to fall back to windoz |
| 07:58.55 | Azar | konfuzed: a simple google would have answered your question but eh, I did it for you lazy boi: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 07:58.57 | Guerin | so let them |
| 07:59.18 | sep | konfuzed, they miss their virus's and spyware collection that give them their computer that uniqe feeling. |
| 07:59.28 | den55 | Greetings! have problem in installing Debian Sarge to Sun Netra 120: i'm boot from net-install cd, install script started, but after choising language and keyboard-mapping, script trying to detect my ide-cdrom and fails. any idea why? |
| 07:59.54 | Azar | no , sep, wait it is getting better: now they have to purchase subscription for the new vole's antivirus as well |
| 08:00.11 | sep | vole ? |
| 08:00.18 | konfuzed | no matter what they always call me back for a free windoz clean up job |
| 08:00.20 | Azar | and guess what: they will still get their share of holes too |
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| 08:00.27 | Azar | vole==m$ |
| 08:00.41 | konfuzed | their just simple people in their homes that just dont know any better |
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| 08:00.49 | Guerin | konfuzed: so tell them to fuck off |
| 08:00.58 | lpb-oberon | or pay you:) |
| 08:01.04 | Guerin | konfuzed: people who use windows don't get support from me |
| 08:01.06 | sep | Azar, but that's no different then any other comercial AV company tho. |
| 08:01.44 | konfuzed | in fact i was thinking of $100/3hrs dedicated to there igernent computer purchase and then give it to them at cost. |
| 08:01.51 | Azar | sep you would have to dig deepr to find the meaning: buggy and unsecure software sold for big bucks now charging more for protection software |
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| 08:02.13 | konfuzed | no doubt they'll find a way to waste at least 20 hours of my time |
| 08:02.27 | sep | Azar, in the end they cant patch holes becouse then the antivirus revenued would go down.... |
| 08:02.40 | lpb-oberon | konfuzed: u can not expect anybody who dosn't like to thinker with his/her os and hardware to run linux. |
| 08:02.51 | konfuzed | hhhhhhhhmmmmmmm |
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| 08:03.32 | Azar | konfuzed: you can't recommend or determine folks to move on linux: the secret is : they really want to burn with the desire on moving |
| 08:03.37 | konfuzed | still i'll do debian servers for my own and then put these neophytes on to ubuntu so they can hang out in #ubuntu instead of here |
| 08:04.10 | konfuzed | Azar: yeah ive been getting them to be fed up and hate their windoz problems for years |
| 08:04.28 | konfuzed | this guy is ready to make the shift though |
| 08:04.33 | konfuzed | at least he thinks he is |
| 08:04.34 | Azar | konfuzed: I have been struggling, sweating, swearing, begging, quitting and starting over for 3 years in order to run Debian |
| 08:04.38 | Azar | is not easy for beginners |
| 08:04.43 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:04.47 | Guerin | it's not that hard |
| 08:05.15 | lpb-oberon | lol Azar i had that with suse :) |
| 08:05.21 | kevix | Guerin: its not like we have bootfloppies anyone! |
| 08:05.33 | konfuzed | but i can help them learn to look after themselves (sorta) with their ubuntu tree hugging desktop |
| 08:05.35 | Azar | they have to start with the mentality: what if m$ never existed? wow linux would be a blessing |
| 08:06.16 | elnovato | its the 8th time im returning to debian |
| 08:06.16 | Guerin | gnu/linux is a blessing *because* MS exists |
| 08:06.23 | Azar | Guerin, in other countries they don't have nothing but linux, and this if they are lucky |
| 08:06.24 | Guerin | in the old days, all software was free |
| 08:06.28 | kevix | elnovato: you'll get it right eventually |
| 08:06.29 | sep | elnovato, about time to relice there is none better... |
| 08:06.30 | konfuzed | its some what the first time ive turned to debian like 9mths ago maybe 6 |
| 08:06.34 | xerophyte | does anybody know any wireless hotspot authendication system ??? |
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| 08:06.57 | elnovato | i already know debian us ubber, was using windoze to play games , heheh |
| 08:07.01 | konfuzed | i cant believe I wasted all that time with those other distros |
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| 08:07.32 | elnovato | debian is not a distro afaik |
| 08:07.35 | konfuzed | xerophyte: what kind of hotspot project |
| 08:07.35 | sep | xerophyte, try nocat.net |
| 08:07.41 | kevix | xerophyte: wpa or wep ? |
| 08:07.48 | hudon | has anyone got firefox1.5 working with mplayerplug-in in debian? |
| 08:07.54 | ipecac | yeah |
| 08:07.57 | JNelson | I can't properly boot my new kernel image on my debian testing install |
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| 08:08.06 | konfuzed | elnovato: so then there are several distros of debian out there, is that more acurate |
| 08:08.28 | xerophyte | sep trying nocat but seems 2002 it was updated so just wondering if there is new method .. |
| 08:08.30 | elnovato | that sounds better, or somebody will get offended :P |
| 08:08.32 | oskie | that's not acurate... several debian-based |
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| 08:08.37 | JNelson | even though the grub menu.1st file is exactly the same for both kernel |
| 08:08.44 | Guerin | um |
| 08:08.47 | JNelson | except the version numbers |
| 08:08.57 | sep | chillispot.org |
| 08:09.01 | oskie | oh..true |
| 08:09.06 | JNelson | when I try to boot the newer kernel, it complains that the 'root' is wrong |
| 08:09.09 | Guerin | distro is sometimes used to mean sarge/etch/etc |
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| 08:09.16 | konfuzed | naw I started with freebsd then redhat then suse |
| 08:09.17 | kevix | xerophyte: wifidog ? |
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| 08:09.48 | kevix | xerophyte: pebble linux.... check out nycwireless.net |
| 08:09.59 | Koffa | hello... could someone point me to example config to setup 2 ifaces to be configured with dhcp but only eth0 setting the default gw? |
| 08:10.03 | xerophyte | thx |
| 08:10.22 | konfuzed | then all of a sudden everything I was doing had a debian focused release as well or based on debian entirely so |
| 08:10.33 | Koffa | now when I bring up eth0 everything works fine but ifup eth1 (and ifup eth2 even further) adds another default gw |
| 08:10.39 | tarzeau | elnovato: use the free x driver |
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| 08:11.09 | sep | Koffa, then you have a gateway line in interfaces for eth1 and 2 |
| 08:11.12 | kevix | Koffa: 'man interfaces' |
| 08:11.22 | sep | Koffa, obviously you should only have 1 default gateway |
| 08:11.28 | Koffa | obviously :) |
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| 08:11.41 | Koffa | will empty gateway-line suffice? |
| 08:11.49 | konfuzed | then going solely with debian servers and debian based projects has a way of simplifying everything else that is done |
| 08:11.52 | sep | Koffa, just remove the unnnedde ones |
| 08:11.59 | Koffa | it's dhcp |
| 08:12.08 | Koffa | there are no gateway-lines in the config |
| 08:12.18 | konfuzed | at least as far as my having to be involved in those projects |
| 08:12.24 | sep | Koffa, you have 2 dhcp interface on net connected networks ? |
| 08:12.27 | Koffa | yes |
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| 08:12.39 | Koffa | (actually 3, but that's besides the point :) ) |
| 08:12.42 | sep | Koffa, insane person... either do a real split access or set one of them staticaly |
| 08:12.52 | Koffa | I can't set statically |
| 08:13.04 | bloer` | i get a 'option `--pass=thepass' is ambiguous' with this: wget --mirror --random-wait 0.5 --mirror --user=theuser --pass=thepass "http://site.com" |
| 08:13.11 | bloer` | what's the problem with that command? |
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| 08:13.14 | Koffa | since none of the 3 connections have that luxury, all from different isp's with only dhcp available |
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| 08:13.28 | sep | Koffa, then you want split access |
| 08:13.32 | sep | !split access |
| 08:13.32 | dpkg | it has been said that split access is when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the dirst step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets |
| 08:13.42 | Koffa | k |
| 08:13.46 | Koffa | thanks |
| 08:14.00 | sep | Koffa, replace 2 with 3 :) |
| 08:14.05 | elnovato | tarzeau: im using xorg 6.9 , and the drivers ive told you, but now working :( |
| 08:14.09 | JNelson | can anyone help me get grub to boot my new kernel properly? |
| 08:14.18 | \amethyst | bloer`: --password=foo |
| 08:14.42 | sep | JNelson, you have more detailed error besides "root is wrong" ? |
| 08:14.45 | elnovato | JNelson: i just installed kernel 2.6.15 makes all the config automaticly |
| 08:15.15 | elnovato | via apt of course |
| 08:15.20 | Koffa | sep: hmm... that example only shows static config |
| 08:15.20 | JNelson | okay, I'm trying to boot from hda2 |
| 08:15.31 | JNelson | and my old kernel boots fine off of that from grub |
| 08:15.46 | JNelson | but it says the block isn't found or something |
| 08:15.49 | bloer` | thanks \amethyst |
| 08:15.52 | JNelson | use a correct root |
| 08:16.01 | JNelson | I can get the exact error if you really need it |
| 08:16.09 | JNelson | but it'll take a while |
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| 08:16.11 | Koffa | sep: the problem here is that both dhcp-servers give all the info, ifup should just ignore the gw, nameservers etc from the 2nd and 3rd iface |
| 08:16.13 | JNelson | sorry for being vague |
| 08:16.16 | sep | Koffa, you dont need to follow the exaple as a slave take the method and aply it to your situation |
| 08:16.43 | JNelson | no error log because it isn't mounting the hdd :( |
| 08:16.48 | phu | touch: setting times of `/usr/src/linux/include/linux/posix_types.h': Operation not permitted |
| 08:17.03 | tarzeau | elnovato: tried "vesa"? |
| 08:17.08 | phu | How can I use touch over NFS |
| 08:17.15 | sep | Koffa, use the route lines in you'r up command in the interface and scipt it so it grabs the ip it have been assigned |
| 08:17.22 | phu | touch: setting times of `ptrace.h': Operation not permitted |
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| 08:17.50 | sep | Koffa, and you can either remove the default tables default route or alter dhcpclient conf to not insert the default |
| 08:17.57 | Koffa | have to look into this later then... there must be someone who has done it before and posted the scripts on the web :) |
| 08:18.18 | sep | Koffa, not realy |
| 08:18.28 | Koffa | I tried to tweak the dhclient.conf to supersede the unwanted attributes but it didn't work out |
| 08:18.34 | sep | Koffa, if you have multiple isp's you probably have static ip's too |
| 08:18.45 | Koffa | no one here has static ip's |
| 08:18.59 | patric | noone? |
| 08:19.00 | sep | Koffa, i bet you can buy it. |
| 08:19.02 | Koffa | but even I know dozen people with 2+ internet connections :) |
| 08:19.03 | Koffa | nope |
| 08:19.04 | \amethyst | Koffa: did you try the static-routes option? |
| 08:19.14 | \amethyst | Koffa: or does the gw change too? |
| 08:19.39 | sep | Koffa, does your isp provide bgp perhaps ? |
| 08:19.40 | \amethyst | Koffa: maybe router-solicitation-address, as well |
| 08:19.59 | Koffa | sep: not sure |
| 08:20.13 | sep | Koffa, anyway a isp not selling static ip's sounds unreal. |
| 08:20.27 | Koffa | well if I had a corporate connection :) |
| 08:20.37 | sep | Koffa, exactly. |
| 08:20.39 | Koffa | but that would be like paying 200e/mo for the static ip :) |
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| 08:21.38 | sep | Koffa, well you get what you pay for. you can script the solution if you want to. it's just creating one routingtable for each interface and giving each table it's own default gw. |
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| 08:22.08 | Koffa | yes, have to dive into that at some point...thanks for the reference |
| 08:22.12 | JNelson | okay, I have the exact error now |
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| 08:22.33 | JNelson | VFS: Cannot open root device "hda2" or unknown block (0,0) |
| 08:22.41 | JNelson | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 08:22.56 | pengol | hi there ... can somebody tell me why firefox fonts change every time I do a dist-upgrade? |
| 08:22.58 | JNelson | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount fs on unknown-block (0,0) |
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| 08:23.23 | \amethyst | pengol: perhaps xfs is getting restarted/needs to be restarted? |
| 08:23.31 | Guerin | JNelson: fix the grub kernel: line |
| 08:23.41 | JNelson | see, what confuses me is that the menu.1st entries for that kernel are exactly the same as the workign kernel |
| 08:23.42 | tarzeau | pengol: because it sucks. i had to choose other fonts in it |
| 08:23.43 | \amethyst | pengol: does restarting firefox fix the fonts? |
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| 08:23.47 | JNelson | except for the version numbers |
| 08:23.49 | tarzeau | \amethyst: no |
| 08:24.11 | sep | JNelson, are you sure the nonworking kernel created a working initrd ? |
| 08:24.19 | JNelson | sep; no |
| 08:24.23 | sep | JNelson, boot on the working one and try to recreate the initrd |
| 08:24.23 | JNelson | how would I check? |
| 08:24.32 | sep | dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-version |
| 08:24.33 | JNelson | how do I do that? |
| 08:24.36 | JNelson | okay |
| 08:25.14 | sep | JNelson, is this 2.4 -> 2.6 transition or just 2.6x -> 2.6.Y |
| 08:25.40 | pengol | \amethyst: nope |
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| 08:26.32 | pengol | \amethyst: tarzeau: it is true for all x apps |
| 08:26.38 | JNelson | sep; 2.6.8-2 to 2.6.15-1 |
| 08:26.44 | tarzeau | pengol: no, only firefox sucks most |
| 08:26.51 | JNelson | woah, the reconfigure failed big time |
| 08:26.56 | pengol | I need to wait next dist-upgrade to get readable fonts |
| 08:27.02 | Koffa | ehhehehe... iface eth1 inet dhcp\nup route del default gw `<few commands to get the unwanted gw>` |
| 08:27.09 | pengol | it is frustrating |
| 08:27.11 | konfuzed | Koffa: have you come across NO ACK yet? |
| 08:27.14 | pengol | I cannot read |
| 08:27.16 | JNelson | I have mouse broken now, so hold on a moment |
| 08:27.21 | Koffa | quick'n'dirty until I have time to find real solution |
| 08:27.23 | sep | how can i set a conflict so that this package must be removed before trying to upgrade linux-image |
| 08:27.34 | Koffa | konfuzed: excuse me? |
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| 08:28.10 | JNelson | perl: warning: Setting lcoale failed. |
| 08:28.16 | konfuzed | Koffa: NO ACK (i forget how exactly) is responsible for specifying which dhcp server to NOt ACKnowledge |
| 08:28.29 | konfuzed | or somethign like that |
| 08:28.29 | JNelson | wtf, I have weird locale settings |
| 08:28.36 | xerophyte | kevix which is good nocat or wifidog ??? |
| 08:28.54 | tarzeau | i hate debian new queue |
| 08:28.59 | sep | JNelson, that's not a fatal initrd failiure |
| 08:29.29 | tarzeau | what's the advantage of debian binary packages, if you at the end compile your own stuff yourself anyways |
| 08:29.32 | JNelson | Package 'kernel-image-2.6' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 08:29.50 | Koffa | konfuzed: the problem isn't 2 dhcp-servers on same line if that's what you meant |
| 08:30.11 | JNelson | okay, my big package problem right now is that udev isn't installable |
| 08:30.15 | JNelson | but everythign depends on it |
| 08:30.21 | JNelson | but it wants me to be running a newer kernel |
| 08:30.22 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 08:30.22 | Koffa | konfuzed: but 3 interfaces connected to 3 physical networks, all of which have their own dhcp-servers |
| 08:30.22 | dpkg | hmm... sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 08:30.33 | konfuzed | Koffa: sounded like your having competeing dhcpd issues |
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| 08:30.42 | Koffa | but this hack will suffice for now |
| 08:30.52 | pengol | is there a way to set a default font for gtk apps? |
| 08:30.57 | kevix | xerophyte: dont know. never used them. i just attend some meeting about them. |
| 08:30.59 | sep | JNelson, is that a sarge box ? |
| 08:31.00 | tarzeau | pengol: yes |
| 08:31.04 | pengol | tarzeau: how? |
| 08:31.07 | tarzeau | pengol: but it's different for gtk1 and gtk2 fonts |
| 08:31.09 | konfuzed | ah each card should get dhcp from its own subnet |
| 08:31.12 | tarzeau | s/fonts// |
| 08:31.12 | JNelson | this is testing |
| 08:31.13 | Koffa | konfuzed: yes, they're competing on setting the default gw etc :) but no, not on the same line |
| 08:31.14 | keta | ubuntu developers have girlfriends, no updates in dapper since yesterday morning, I'm just wondering about debian sid. |
| 08:31.17 | tarzeau | !gtk font |
| 08:31.21 | tarzeau | !gtk theme |
| 08:31.30 | tarzeau | pengol: apt-cache search gtk theme switch |
| 08:31.44 | sep | JNelson, humm you could use the backported kernel from backports.org if you not eady to face the udev issues yet. |
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| 08:32.26 | JNelson | damn, that's getting messy |
| 08:32.44 | pengol | tarzeau: firefox is linked with /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
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| 08:32.59 | konfuzed | Koffa: well certainly you want to maintain seperated traffic or are you trying to load balance the 3 as a WAN |
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| 08:33.01 | tarzeau | pengol: why do you tell me? i hate firefox |
| 08:33.22 | pengol | tarzeau: can gtk-theme-switch be used for gtk 2.0? |
| 08:33.59 | pengol | tarzeau: it looks like a gtk1 app to me |
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| 08:34.12 | tarzeau | pengol: it has two different apps for both crap gtk settings |
| 08:34.18 | tarzeau | s/crap/inconsistent/ |
| 08:34.22 | IEEE1003 | sorry to interrupt, but are 802.11g card driver easy to find? |
| 08:34.39 | pengol | tarzeau: wow |
| 08:34.55 | phu | depends on which chipset |
| 08:34.56 | JNelson | do you think I could get away with a forced updated of udev? |
| 08:34.57 | sep | IEEE1003, depends entierly on the card chipset |
| 08:34.57 | Morden | anyone has installed imp4 on debian? |
| 08:35.15 | Koffa | konfuzed: first separated, on some point some load balancing/whatever (probably leave one connection for ssh only etc) |
| 08:35.15 | konfuzed | IEEE1003: go with PRISM |
| 08:35.23 | Koffa | but now to work, afk 30min -> |
| 08:35.23 | kevix | IEEE1003: where on amazon.com ? |
| 08:35.43 | memic | in which .deb is XML::Parser |
| 08:35.50 | konfuzed | Koffa: you'll need some firewall acrobatics to make that work right I believe |
| 08:35.51 | IEEE1003 | what is PRISM |
| 08:35.59 | kevix | IEEE1003: I still use 802.11b |
| 08:36.00 | konfuzed | PRISM CHIPSET |
| 08:36.02 | phu | prism chipset |
| 08:36.05 | Koffa | konfuzed: the first step is to get the ifaces up nicely :) |
| 08:36.05 | tarzeau | hahaha KDE sucks |
| 08:36.09 | IEEE1003 | oh |
| 08:36.12 | Koffa | konfuzed: no matter what I try to do after that |
| 08:36.18 | pengol | tarzeau: it doesn't work with fonts |
| 08:36.22 | phu | what brand did you bought from |
| 08:36.24 | \amethyst | memic: libxml-parser-perl |
| 08:36.25 | tarzeau | our users run into quota because KDE apps write so much crap into .xsession-error that gets larger than 100 mb! |
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| 08:36.33 | memic | \amethyst thx |
| 08:36.33 | tarzeau | pengol: yes it works, but you don't know how |
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| 08:36.40 | kevix | memic: apt-cache search xml|grep parser |
| 08:36.45 | tarzeau | pengol: but it's understandable because the graphical user interface to change the font is horrible |
| 08:36.46 | pengol | tarzeau: maybe I need to restart X |
| 08:36.47 | konfuzed | Koffa: just because each card is a seperate line with dhcp doesnt mean you have to use dhcp |
| 08:36.51 | phu | anyone know touch: setting times of `ptrace.h': Operation not permitted |
| 08:36.58 | IEEE1003 | I didn't buy a card yet, it's just that my mom is going to buy one for me |
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| 08:36.59 | tarzeau | pengol: maybe you just need to click all things that you see and find out where it is |
| 08:37.01 | kevix | tarzeau: been there, deleted that. |
| 08:37.02 | konfuzed | setting static lan addresses would simplify your life greatly |
| 08:37.08 | Azar | tarzeau that would happen only with gnome or kde right? |
| 08:37.08 | tarzeau | pengol: and maybe you should forget that this is NOT WINDOWS |
| 08:37.13 | phu | how to solve it? touch: setting times of `ptrace.h': Operation not permitted |
| 08:37.16 | memic | hm already installed |
| 08:37.16 | tarzeau | pengol: restarting shit won't help you! |
| 08:37.26 | pengol | tarzeau: true :) |
| 08:37.35 | pengol | was a checkbox |
| 08:37.39 | tarzeau | kevix: still it sucks. no way to turn that off? |
| 08:37.41 | konfuzed | IEEE1003: dont get anything else besides a PRISM chipset, PRISM III if you can find it |
| 08:37.52 | tarzeau | Azar: it never happened to me with GNUstep software |
| 08:38.03 | IEEE1003 | OK, thx |
| 08:38.11 | tarzeau | Azar: it was logging the same shit millions of times (kile) |
| 08:38.12 | Azar | tarzeau, I only run openbox |
| 08:38.12 | pengol | there it is |
| 08:38.16 | pengol | thanks tarzeau |
| 08:38.24 | phu | or RT2500 |
| 08:38.37 | pengol | tarzeau: but firefox still suks |
| 08:38.50 | Azar | pengol, try "links" :) |
| 08:38.50 | tarzeau | pengol: i agree |
| 08:38.56 | tarzeau | Azar: or links2 or dillo |
| 08:39.02 | kevix | tarzeau: dont know. maybe its a debug setting left ON. |
| 08:39.03 | Azar | yes yes |
| 08:39.05 | phu | actually, different chipset has their related linux driver project |
| 08:39.14 | tarzeau | kevix: i don't bother enough to find out |
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| 08:39.24 | tarzeau | kevix: we don't support gnome or kde here, luckily |
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| 08:39.36 | pengol | tarzeau: all apps changed fonts except firefox |
| 08:39.44 | tarzeau | kevix: alone the migration from woody gnome/kde to sarge was PAINFUL |
| 08:39.52 | kevix | tarzeau: I just started using 'twin' |
| 08:39.54 | tarzeau | pengol: firefox sucks, didn't i tell you? stop bothering me |
| 08:39.55 | ootput | may as well recommend elinks while we're at it |
| 08:40.03 | tarzeau | ootput: doesn't do graphics |
| 08:40.12 | tarzeau | ootput: and the keyboard navigation is kinda ugly in forms |
| 08:40.14 | ootput | kevix: that's an interesting Window manager |
| 08:40.17 | pengol | ok |
| 08:40.22 | pengol | sorry |
| 08:40.28 | konfuzed | Koffa: that would also make your competeing default gateway moot and then it will always stay the way you set it |
| 08:40.39 | pengol | Azar: sometimes it's needed |
| 08:40.41 | konfuzed | way simpler |
| 08:40.49 | ootput | Azar: it renders badly (structurally) without the image |
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| 08:41.11 | kevix | ootput: it could use a bit more polish but it seems ok. |
| 08:41.28 | IEEE1003 | all these problems with GUIs... linux wasn't mean't for GUIs |
| 08:41.36 | liable | firefox r0x0rs lolz! |
| 08:41.43 | tarzeau | IEEE1003: not all GUIs make problems |
| 08:41.44 | Azar | hahaha liable |
| 08:41.52 | tarzeau | IEEE1003: debian is not just linux |
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| 08:41.58 | ootput | Opera is where it's at |
| 08:42.02 | IEEE1003 | hmmm... |
| 08:42.03 | JNelson | damn, looks like the onlyw ay to do this is with backports |
| 08:42.07 | JNelson | of the kerenl |
| 08:42.09 | tarzeau | ootput: it's not free software |
| 08:42.18 | ootput | tarzeau: free beer |
| 08:42.26 | sanxiyn | Oracle bought Sleepycat, the company behind Berkeley DB. |
| 08:42.27 | tarzeau | ootput: is not worth much |
| 08:42.29 | sanxiyn | Hm, old news? |
| 08:42.30 | liable | dont start with the free beer shit.. |
| 08:42.36 | ootput | liable: haha |
| 08:42.52 | kevix | IEEE1003: gnu is about freedom and choices. |
| 08:42.53 | konfuzed | IEEE1003: I could be wrong but I think both kde and gnome were around before linux |
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| 08:42.55 | tarzeau | ootput: not worht anything if i can't run opera on hurd or kfreebsd |
| 08:43.02 | liable | i *hate* that anaology |
| 08:43.06 | \amethyst | konfuzed: are you serious? |
| 08:43.08 | konfuzed | please feel free to flame me oon that one |
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| 08:43.21 | IEEE1003 | hope not... |
| 08:43.24 | IEEE1003 | ? |
| 08:43.26 | ootput | tarzeau: i usually use whatever works best on whichever OS |
| 08:43.30 | \amethyst | konfuzed: KDE and Gnome came about in the mid-late 90s |
| 08:43.33 | konfuzed | X-Windows was certainly around before linux |
| 08:43.39 | \amethyst | yes |
| 08:43.41 | \amethyst | X was |
| 08:43.42 | tarzeau | !xwindows |
| 08:43.42 | dpkg | well, xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
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| 08:43.54 | \amethyst | since 1984, same year as the Mac |
| 08:43.55 | tarzeau | ootput: so do i, it just sucks to have so much hardware around |
| 08:44.10 | konfuzed | SUSE didnt start KDE did they? |
| 08:44.15 | tarzeau | konfuzed: no |
| 08:44.16 | IEEE1003 | the free version is called Xfree86 |
| 08:44.23 | konfuzed | both outa germany and all |
| 08:44.26 | ootput | konfuzed: not at all |
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| 08:44.32 | konfuzed | unles i m konfuzed there |
| 08:44.43 | ootput | it was mandrake |
| 08:44.50 | IEEE1003 | stop using your username as pun |
| 08:45.13 | konfuzed | IEEE1003: its too truthful |
| 08:45.19 | \amethyst | KDE was around 2 years before Mandrake |
| 08:45.26 | ootput | aha, got one |
| 08:45.44 | IEEE1003 | when did the first UNIX come out? |
| 08:45.49 | konfuzed | i dont really like guis either so I always avoided them |
| 08:45.54 | tarzeau | IEEE1003: long long ago |
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| 08:46.06 | konfuzed | 1960s |
| 08:46.12 | Azar | 1965? |
| 08:46.20 | IEEE1003 | what about POSIX standard?? |
| 08:46.21 | \amethyst | IEEE1003: late sixties to mid seventies, depending on how closely you want it to look like modern Unix |
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| 08:46.27 | ootput | 1969 |
| 08:46.38 | tarzeau | IEEE1003: http://www.levenez.com/ |
| 08:46.41 | \amethyst | POSIX is 1980s |
| 08:46.44 | patric | 1974 (it was actually the year I was born, but what really significant happened before that?) |
| 08:46.46 | tarzeau | IEEE1003: he has a unix history diagram |
| 08:46.47 | ootput | an appropriate year |
| 08:46.51 | \amethyst | IEEE1003: do you know how to use wikipedia? |
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| 08:47.01 | tarzeau | IEEE1003: 1969 |
| 08:47.05 | ootput | http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch02s01.html |
| 08:47.05 | IEEE1003 | yes... |
| 08:47.07 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Ah that longish picture. |
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| 08:47.08 | tarzeau | IEEE1003: and it was called UNICS |
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| 08:47.10 | snorksi | hi. what kernel does Etch "ship" with? |
| 08:47.21 | Azar | back then was nice , and quiet, no commercial companies claiming they built the internet |
| 08:47.25 | liable | eunichs? |
| 08:47.28 | tarzeau | that'd make 37 years |
| 08:47.35 | konfuzed | i dont think there is any shipping involved |
| 08:47.43 | snorksi | liable: eh ok sorry. Which kernel version? |
| 08:47.48 | Coweater | unix was a pun on multics of sorts |
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| 08:47.54 | liable | snorksi: 2.6.14.2 |
| 08:47.56 | streuner | snorksi: 2.6.15 IIRC, but see yourself at pdo.debian.net |
| 08:47.56 | IEEE1003 | didn't microsoft make a unix, called xenix |
| 08:47.57 | snorksi | konfuzed: the brackets |
| 08:48.08 | sanxiyn | IEEE1003: I think so. |
| 08:48.11 | Coweater | IEEE1003: yes |
| 08:48.17 | tarzeau | IEEE1003: it wasn't successfull |
| 08:48.19 | konfuzed | i thought it qwas minix |
| 08:48.22 | tarzeau | but NeXTSTEP and OPENSTEP were |
| 08:48.28 | konfuzed | or did bill by minix |
| 08:48.28 | ootput | not minix |
| 08:48.29 | sanxiyn | konfuzed: ?? |
| 08:48.29 | IEEE1003 | I think i know why |
| 08:48.33 | konfuzed | and then release xenix |
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| 08:48.35 | Coweater | minix is an operating system by andrew tanenbaum |
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| 08:49.07 | konfuzed | i know that name some where |
| 08:49.19 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 08:49.20 | ootput | a movie |
| 08:49.24 | \amethyst | SCO Unix, BTW, is of Xenix origin |
| 08:49.31 | konfuzed | no not the tannebaums |
| 08:49.53 | IEEE1003 | if GNU project isn't UNIX, then is it POSIX standards compliant??? |
| 08:49.54 | jeffrin | when i do cat /dev/ttyUSB0 it shows input output error |
| 08:49.54 | konfuzed | then xenix couldnt possibly be from bill gates |
| 08:49.58 | IEEE1003 | :) |
| 08:50.05 | sanxiyn | konfuzed: Minix *is* by Tannenbaum, IIRC. |
| 08:50.19 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:50.20 | dpkg | <jetscreamer> hey isn't there some way to get a 4g file on fat32? like some different version of fat32 or something? |
| 08:50.22 | sanxiyn | Eh, single n. |
| 08:50.36 | ootput | sanxiyn: heh, he was addressing my 'movie' crack |
| 08:50.37 | \amethyst | IEEE1003: it's not hard to be POSIX compliant, except for the compliance testing |
| 08:51.04 | JNelson | this udev package has totally ruined my system |
| 08:51.16 | sanxiyn | IEEE1003: Reportedly GNU is sometimes intentionally POSIX incompatible. |
| 08:51.16 | IEEE1003 | hmm... were can I get posix stardard eg. IEEE 1003 |
| 08:51.31 | streuner | JNelson: nah |
| 08:51.32 | IEEE1003 | like a definition document |
| 08:51.35 | JNelson | it won't let me do anything with the package system at all until I fix it |
| 08:51.38 | \amethyst | IEEE1003: you have you pay for it, I think |
| 08:51.44 | IEEE1003 | :( |
| 08:51.44 | sanxiyn | IEEE1003: Look for Single Unix Specification (POSIX descendant). It's somewhere on the web. |
| 08:51.50 | sanxiyn | \amethyst: In theory... |
| 08:51.52 | \amethyst | IEEE1003: ah, that's right |
| 08:51.58 | streuner | JNelson: show us the full error in paster (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 08:51.59 | \amethyst | you can find SUS stuff on the web |
| 08:51.59 | JNelson | I can't even downgrade to a lower udev without it trying to finish installing the first one |
| 08:52.17 | \amethyst | It's not the `official' standard, but it doesn't really differ significantly |
| 08:52.24 | sanxiyn | JNelson: Nuke whatever script it's failing. |
| 08:52.56 | sanxiyn | (Google hit #1 for Single Unix Specification, btw) |
| 08:52.59 | liable | JNelson: read some of the resoved udev bugs for a laugh/cry :) |
| 08:53.03 | IEEE1003 | any1 know how I can connect a random noise generator to the computer as a source for /dev/random??? |
| 08:53.11 | JNelson | udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted. |
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| 08:53.17 | tarzeau | IEEE1003: microphone? |
| 08:53.21 | \amethyst | IEEE1003: do you know how to write a kernel driver? |
| 08:53.24 | liable | !tell JNelson about bts |
| 08:53.26 | IEEE1003 | no |
| 08:53.29 | streuner | !listkeys udev |
| 08:53.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'udev' by key (15 of 16): #debian fresh udev config ;; #debian udev ;; #debian udev 2.6.12 ;; CMD: udevsmite (.*?) ;; _default fresh udev config ;; _default fresh udev rules ;; _default udev ;; _default udev 2.6.12 ;; be udev barbie ;; fresh udev config ;; fresh udev rules ;; udev 2.6.12 ;; udev faq ;; udev nvidia ;; udev usbkey. |
| 08:53.33 | tarzeau | IEEE1003: webcam? |
| 08:53.34 | IEEE1003 | brb |
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| 08:53.56 | streuner | !udev 2.6.12 |
| 08:53.56 | dpkg | if you tried to upgrade udev and now get the message "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted.", you must install a 2.6.12 kernel before proceding. The recommended way to do this is to download a linux-image-2.6.12-1 .deb for your arch from ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/ and installing it with dpkg -i |
| 08:54.12 | sanxiyn | eh |
| 08:54.13 | sanxiyn | I see. |
| 08:54.14 | liable | JNelson: if you run testing/unstable, please refer to the bts before asking here :) |
| 08:54.27 | elnovato | arrgggggg display: :0.0 screen: 0 OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.4.1) |
| 08:54.56 | knite | firefox 1.5 seems to be not in etch right now? is that right? |
| 08:55.13 | phu | how can i change file created time with touch over NFS |
| 08:55.14 | JNelson | okay |
| 08:55.15 | streuner | knite: /msg dpkg why is mozilla-firefox not in testing |
| 08:55.16 | JNelson | thanks |
| 08:55.34 | IEEE1003 | I was thinking of inverted transistor white noise generator |
| 08:56.05 | JNelson | the recommended file isn't at that URL |
| 08:56.44 | streuner | JNelson: use pdo.debian.net instead |
| 08:56.54 | IEEE1003 | connected to parrallel port |
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| 08:57.19 | JNelson | okay, thanks |
| 08:57.22 | streuner | JNelson: in case you don't find it there either, /msg dpkg sdn |
| 08:57.23 | knite | streuner: neat tool. thanks |
| 08:57.25 | streuner | !sdn |
| 08:57.25 | dpkg | sdn is probably go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problem. |
| 08:57.45 | phu | problem with touching files over NFS, Operation not permitted |
| 08:58.01 | IEEE1003 | where is tarzeau? |
| 08:58.03 | Azar | interesting article on Open Hardware: http://opencollector.org/Whyfree/open_hardware.html |
| 08:58.21 | streuner | !seen tarzeau |
| 08:58.22 | dpkg | tarzeau is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 367 messages. Is idling for 4m 49s |
| 08:58.41 | IEEE1003 | hmmmm.... |
| 08:58.46 | tarzeau | IEEE1003: i'm not paranoid, thus i don't care |
| 08:58.48 | JNelson | PDO pops up in nonsense characters to me :( |
| 08:59.04 | JNelson | even though lynx is set to English |
| 08:59.07 | IEEE1003 | what? |
| 08:59.17 | tarzeau | IEEE1003: about very /dev/random |
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| 08:59.52 | Azar | this anyone new to linux should be aware of: " If a company sells any device which interfaces with a computer without publishing the interface specs, then they have a monopoly on interface software (drivers)" |
| 09:00.06 | jeffrin | how to know if my USB dongle is a FIR or SIR dongle |
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| 09:00.39 | IEEE1003 | Azar: they are b*******s |
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| 09:01.19 | optraz | ![ing |
| 09:01.20 | optraz | !ping |
| 09:01.21 | dpkg | pong |
| 09:01.40 | elnovato | !tell me about ati |
| 09:01.46 | IEEE1003 | stop playing imaginary ping-pong |
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| 09:02.04 | elnovato | play pocket ping pong |
| 09:02.04 | kevix | jeffrin: lspci ? |
| 09:02.34 | IEEE1003 | stop taking what I say and adding to it |
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| 09:04.14 | IEEE1003 | what time is it over there? |
| 09:04.15 | elnovato | greedy hobbit |
| 09:04.21 | elnovato | 5am |
| 09:04.25 | liable | eh? |
| 09:04.33 | IEEE1003 | 19:35 |
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| 09:04.50 | liable | IEEE1003: nswelshman? |
| 09:05.05 | IEEE1003 | what? |
| 09:05.27 | liable | bah, if you dont get it, forget it. |
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| 09:06.00 | jeffrin | kevix : how to find out using lspcu |
| 09:06.03 | jeffrin | kevix : how to find out using lspci |
| 09:06.06 | IEEE1003 | you asked if I was from NSW, and no, I'm from adelaide |
| 09:07.02 | elnovato | adelaide is in australia isnt? |
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| 09:07.16 | amir | clear |
| 09:07.18 | IEEE1003 | yes, of course it is |
| 09:07.19 | amir | hi all! |
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| 09:08.08 | amir | clear |
| 09:08.11 | amir | oops :D |
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| 09:09.26 | slummer | www.linuxgazette.com/issue72/chung.html |
| 09:09.35 | slummer | damn wrong window |
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| 09:09.43 | slapin | Hi all!!! some generic question - have anyone run nessus from cron? are there any serious problems? |
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| 09:10.08 | ootput | silly weather we're having in Sydney |
| 09:10.26 | epsilon | so in germany |
| 09:10.30 | ootput | well, i guess it's silly weather everywhere else too |
| 09:10.34 | epsilon | at least you have summer |
| 09:10.34 | tarzeau | are you on http://counter.li.org/ yet? |
| 09:10.35 | Guerin | slapin: why would you? |
| 09:10.38 | IEEE1003 | fine here in adelaide |
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| 09:11.33 | dilku | how can I install the realplayer ? |
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| 09:11.53 | dilku | it is not in apt-cache ? |
| 09:11.59 | ootput | by saying goodbye to whatever sanity you have left |
| 09:12.08 | sparkx | hi everyone. |
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| 09:12.19 | tarzeau | dilku: it's not free software |
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| 09:12.44 | dilku | tarzeau: what is the alternative for that ? |
| 09:12.47 | IEEE1003 | any1 know when the debian packages ftp server will be up and running? (dying for software) |
| 09:12.57 | Koffa | konfuzed: as I said, I can't use static ip's since that's not a service provided by these isp's |
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| 09:13.15 | munofiratt[GR] | hello everyone =) |
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| 09:13.17 | tarzeau | dilku: mplayer |
| 09:13.26 | sep | IEEE1003, you know you can search with apt-cache also dont need to use a webfor for searching |
| 09:13.40 | munofiratt[GR] | Q: which is the usual location of the xorg.conf file? |
| 09:14.02 | IEEE1003 | I like searching for packages on the web |
| 09:14.13 | dondelelcaro | IEEE1003: so use pdo.debian.net |
| 09:14.17 | tarzeau | munofiratt[GR]: /etc/X11/ |
| 09:14.39 | IEEE1003 | yes, but it has only limited number of packages |
| 09:14.48 | sparkx | start-stop-daemon doesn't start a thing with the user and group passed on the command line anyone can give me a hint? |
| 09:14.55 | dondelelcaro | IEEE1003: it doesn't have any packages; it links to their location. |
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| 09:15.21 | IEEE1003 | :) |
| 09:15.22 | munofiratt[GR] | tarzeau: weird... I don't seem to have any xorg.conf file =/ |
| 09:15.28 | tarzeau | munofiratt[GR]: you're on sid? |
| 09:15.35 | tarzeau | munofiratt[GR]: installed xserver-xorg? |
| 09:15.54 | munofiratt[GR] | tarzeau: I think I've got XFree |
| 09:16.05 | tarzeau | munofiratt[GR]: xfree doesn't have xorg.conf |
| 09:16.06 | dondelelcaro | sparkx: what is the exact command that you're giving to start-stop-daemon? |
| 09:16.08 | Azar | munofiratt[GR]: what debian version are you using? |
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| 09:16.13 | streuner | munofiratt[GR]: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 09:16.20 | munofiratt[GR] | Azar: Sarge |
| 09:16.29 | tarzeau | munofiratt[GR]: sarge don't have xorg |
| 09:16.29 | Sonny | is there a way to make gkrellm to be part of the desktop, or the menu bar, etc ? like a the gdesklets |
| 09:16.37 | tarzeau | Sonny: what desktop? |
| 09:16.43 | Azar | munofiratt[GR]: sarge does not have xorg, just xfree86] |
| 09:16.46 | SlayerXP | any cyrus users in? |
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| 09:16.56 | Sonny | tarzeau: gnome |
| 09:16.56 | Azar | *xfree86 |
| 09:16.59 | munofiratt[GR] | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 09:17.13 | streuner | sounds like sarge |
| 09:17.18 | sparkx | dondelelcaro, a moment, i'm checking |
| 09:17.19 | streuner | and the second line? |
| 09:17.38 | ipecac | sarge has XF86Config-4 instead of xorg.conf |
| 09:18.02 | munofiratt[GR] | ipecac: is there the option to enable GLX? let me see... |
| 09:18.03 | ipecac | same directory |
| 09:18.27 | munofiratt[GR] | streuner: 500 ftp://ftp.ntua.gr stable/main Packages |
| 09:18.59 | ipecac | i believe so, but i'd just run the reconfigure utility |
| 09:19.01 | munofiratt[GR] | ok I've found it... |
| 09:19.06 | IEEE1003 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.14 | sparkx | dondelelcaro, start-stop-daemon --user sparkx --group sparkx --start --quiet --background --oknodo --exec PROGNAME -- PROGPARMS |
| 09:19.26 | munofiratt[GR] | Q: which is the quickest way to restart the x-server? ctrl + alt + backspace?... |
| 09:19.31 | ipecac | yeah |
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| 09:19.53 | Azar | munofiratt[GR]: it is not advisable to edit the file by hand |
| 09:20.08 | munofiratt[GR] | Azar: already done that... |
| 09:20.17 | Azar | munofiratt[GR]: read the file header again then |
| 09:20.26 | JNelson | how do you get apt-get to display the "6 not fully installed or removed" packD[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Dages |
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| 09:20.38 | munofiratt[GR] | if both XF86Config and XF86Config-4 files exist, which one will be used?... |
| 09:20.59 | ipecac | i dont know, i only have XF86Config-4 |
| 09:21.07 | Azar | munofiratt[GR]: next time you want to configure x: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:21.12 | IEEE1003 | editediteditediteditediteditdeitdietietdietdietdoietidietdietdietdietietdietdietidtietdietdietdietdietdiedteidtietdietdietdietdietdietdietdietdietdietdietdie |
| 09:21.14 | dondelelcaro | sparkx: uh... I want the exact command... |
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| 09:22.14 | munofiratt[GR] | the cmp XF86Config XF86Config-4 produced no output... so these files are identical?... so I could easily erase XF86Config... |
| 09:22.17 | sparkx | dondelelcaro, the program name? a modified by me version of btlaunchmany (bittorrent) |
| 09:22.33 | streuner | dondelelcaro: a warning could be helpful... |
| 09:22.49 | sparkx | dondelelcaro, start-stop-daemon --user sparkx --group sparkx --start --quiet --background --oknodo --exec /home/sparkx/btlaunchmany -- /torrents/active |
| 09:22.51 | dondelelcaro | streuner: for pasting totally useless text like that? |
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| 09:23.47 | streuner | dondelelcaro: he is new to this channel, nobody cares in other channels.... |
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| 09:24.23 | dondelelcaro | sparkx: you don't need the exec option unless you want to make sure that's the only version of btlaunchmany that you're using. |
| 09:24.50 | dondelelcaro | sparkx: secondly, what is the output from start-stop-daemon? |
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| 09:24.59 | rohan | hi all |
| 09:25.12 | rohan | how do i prevent debian from doing a fsck on all filesystems on startup ? |
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| 09:25.34 | munofiratt[GR] | Q: Will pressing Ctrl+Alt+Backspace be enough to reload the X-Server and succesfully initialiaze GLX, DRI?... |
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| 09:25.47 | rohan | munofiratt[GR]: yes. |
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| 09:26.04 | sparkx | start-stop-daemon doesn't output anything. |
| 09:26.04 | elnovato | i have xorg.conf |
| 09:26.05 | rohan | munofiratt[GR]: successfully or no depends on your configuration, ofcourse |
| 09:26.50 | rohan | !kp-mantra |
| 09:26.50 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 09:27.16 | ootput | rohan: tune2fs |
| 09:27.37 | rohan | ootput: oh, but it checks even reiserfs. is it a startup script or something ? |
| 09:27.42 | dondelelcaro | rohan: set /fastboot or similar; however, if checkfs thinks it should fsck the drives, you generally want it to fsck the drives. |
| 09:27.53 | ootput | rohan: it's /etc/fastab |
| 09:27.57 | ootput | *fstab |
| 09:27.59 | rohan | dondelelcaro: but it does so on every bootup |
| 09:28.11 | ootput | check the dump/pass fields |
| 09:28.24 | rohan | ootput: ah, ok. i always ignore those fields :P :) |
| 09:28.34 | dondelelcaro | rohan: fsck should run, but it should just note that the filesystem is clean, and continue right on. |
| 09:28.45 | dondelelcaro | rohan: if fsck complains that the filesystem has problems, you need to fix those first. |
| 09:28.58 | rohan | dondelelcaro: yes, but does that happen on every distro ? and is it necessary ? |
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| 09:29.47 | dondelelcaro | rohan: any sane distro should run fsck; reiserfs is notorious for having irreperable problems. |
| 09:30.01 | rohan | ah, ok, dondelelcaro |
| 09:30.08 | fooz | reiserfs is an irreparable problem |
| 09:30.17 | rohan | dondelelcaro: so it is recomended not to prevent that bootup fsck ? |
| 09:30.25 | rohan | fooz: ah, you prefer ext 3 ? |
| 09:30.32 | Guerin | which, like most irreparable problems, causes other irreparable problems |
| 09:30.34 | munofiratt[GR] | Q: in Debian Sarge (3.1) when I select Lock Screen which program is executed? (looking for the filename so I can manually start it) |
| 09:30.40 | fooz | i prefer FAT16 |
| 09:30.47 | ootput | rohan: isn't there a way to tell reiserfs to check after so many mounts? |
| 09:30.49 | fooz | it works, at least |
| 09:30.57 | Guerin | munofiratt[GR]: when you select Lock Screen in what context? |
| 09:30.58 | munofiratt[GR] | fooz: isn't that crippling you to DOS 8.3 filenames? |
| 09:31.01 | ootput | 'to be checked' |
| 09:31.10 | dondelelcaro | rohan: yes. That's my recommendation, anyway. |
| 09:31.12 | munofiratt[GR] | Guerin: from the menu Actions --> Lock Screen |
| 09:31.15 | rohan | ootput: hmmm... lemme check. |
| 09:31.29 | fooz | munofiratt[GR], yeah, but using reiserfs cripples you to having no data |
| 09:31.47 | Guerin | munofiratt[GR]: in what environment? gnome? kde? badgerwm? |
| 09:31.48 | munofiratt[GR] | fooz: then again ext3 is betters (or even fat32) |
| 09:31.48 | ootput | you can lose data with almost all fs' |
| 09:31.59 | dondelelcaro | ootput: sure, but some are worse than others. |
| 09:32.00 | fooz | i didn't say I USED fat16, just that I prefer it to reiserfs :) |
| 09:32.00 | rohan | fooz: lol, even ext works, as does fat32 and ntfs |
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| 09:32.07 | munofiratt[GR] | Guerin: gnome... hmm, it must be a gnome screen locking proggie |
| 09:32.26 | Guerin | munofiratt[GR]: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 09:32.43 | fooz | I use ext3 |
| 09:32.44 | ootput | dondelelcaro: true. i'm more interested in backup solutions than fs' benchmarks |
| 09:32.48 | rohan | BX quit messages should be banned :P |
| 09:33.24 | sparkx | dondelelcaro, it doesn't output nothing, even if remove the --quiet and --background options. The program starts but with root's permission. The start-stop-daemon man page states that using --startas or --exec in my case is exactly the same. |
| 09:33.36 | Gnea | rohan: how about banning all quit messages? :P |
| 09:33.36 | ootput | and yes, finally, somebody else has experienced xft font problems in rxvt-unicode on Sid |
| 09:33.37 | dondelelcaro | rohan: cafuego's script will help you: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home-plus/.irssi/scripts/cafuego.pl |
| 09:33.44 | fooz | it's not the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it hasn't failed me yet |
| 09:33.45 | rohan | dondelelcaro: thank you. |
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| 09:34.08 | rohan | Gnea: no, then i cannot advertise my site :P |
| 09:34.19 | Gnea | rohan: haha |
| 09:34.19 | rohan | in my man pages, there always these ugly blocks where "'" should be there |
| 09:34.27 | rohan | Linux Programmers Manual |
| 09:34.30 | dondelelcaro | sparkx: you want --chuid, not --user |
| 09:34.33 | ootput | advertisements in quit messages? |
| 09:34.38 | dondelelcaro | sparkx: read the manpage for --user carefully. |
| 09:34.39 | rohan | like ^^^ there is a block between in r and s |
| 09:34.43 | rohan | where a ' should be there |
| 09:34.44 | optraz | hello all, how do i view .mht document? when i open .mht with firefox. it decode into html syntax. anybody can help ? |
| 09:34.53 | rohan | what is it ? locale setting ? console font ? |
| 09:35.02 | rohan | optraz: yes. get mozilla maf |
| 09:35.04 | fooz | rohan, both probably |
| 09:35.07 | fooz | rohan, what is your locale? |
| 09:35.08 | rohan | google for it, optraz |
| 09:35.12 | rohan | fooz: en_US |
| 09:35.19 | fooz | rohan, unicode? |
| 09:35.28 | rohan | utf8 |
| 09:35.30 | fooz | my en_US is unicode by default, which is why I ask |
| 09:35.30 | rohan | yes. |
| 09:35.34 | sparkx | dondelelcaro, yes, my fault. |
| 09:35.36 | fooz | utf-8 is unicode. you need a unicode console font. |
| 09:35.49 | rohan | fooz: the default one is not ? which one is ? |
| 09:36.39 | fooz | rohan, edit /etc/console-tools/config and set SCREEN_FONT to latarcyrheb-sun16 |
| 09:36.51 | rohan | ok, thanks a lot, fooz .... |
| 09:37.07 | fooz | rohan, it's most like standard VGA ROM fonts but it includes a lot of unicode chars (like magic quotes like man uses) |
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| 09:37.36 | rohan | and i will have the font ? |
| 09:37.43 | fooz | probably |
| 09:37.43 | rohan | or need to install a pkg for it ? |
| 09:38.06 | rohan | fooz: not latarcyrheb-sun16.psf ? |
| 09:38.07 | fooz | it's in console-data |
| 09:38.10 | rohan | there is a comment that says |
| 09:38.15 | rohan | # Set the following - more euro-friendly default than kernel font. |
| 09:38.15 | rohan | # SCREEN_FONT=latcyrheb-sun16.psf |
| 09:38.25 | fooz | rohan, if you want. i don't need the .psf here |
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| 09:38.48 | sparkx | dondelelcaro, thanks again. |
| 09:39.16 | rohan | fooz: hmmm... someone / something (maybe dpkg) has already put SCREEN_FONT=lat0-sun16 |
| 09:39.23 | rohan | i assume they are not the same ? |
| 09:39.53 | rohan | and, i need to reboot for changes to take effect ? |
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| 09:40.16 | fooz | rohan, no. lat0-sun16 fails a string compare vs. latarcyrheb-sun16 under most versions of strncmp |
| 09:40.18 | dondelelcaro | sparkx: np |
| 09:41.00 | rohan | fooz: how funny. but jokes apart, they are not the same font, are they ? or just a ln -s ? |
| 09:41.19 | rohan | aw, forget it, i will reboot later and see :P |
| 09:41.22 | fooz | rohan, they're different |
| 09:41.26 | rohan | fooz: ok :) |
| 09:41.28 | fooz | rohan, /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh start |
| 09:41.31 | fooz | from a console |
| 09:41.33 | fooz | should do it |
| 09:41.46 | rohan | wow |
| 09:42.03 | rohan | aha .. looks cleaner |
| 09:42.17 | rohan | wow, thanks a _lot_ , fooz :) |
| 09:42.23 | fooz | np |
| 09:42.43 | Shadur | Hm. Anyone with a Planet Internet internet connection? |
| 09:42.45 | Shadur | I'm trying to track down a really weird issue one of my ISP's customers seems to have. |
| 09:43.59 | munofiratt[GR] | Guerin: the executable is... xscreensaver LOL |
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| 09:45.48 | Guerin | heh |
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| 09:49.14 | dbe | how do I list the most recent file in a directory? |
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| 09:49.45 | Koffa | ls -rt ? |
| 09:50.04 | Koffa | |tail -1 if you only want one file/dir |
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| 09:51.52 | fooz | or |sed 1q |
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| 09:57.00 | dbe | say the last updated file in /foo/ is /foo/bar/file how do I find out that though list /foo/? Koffa fooz |
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| 09:57.24 | dondelelcaro | dbe: use find with mtime, sort, and sed. |
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| 09:58.37 | rohan | why does make-kpg clean copy my .config and config.precious ? lol |
| 09:58.40 | tosh | anyone know how I can get "pwsafe" being in the unstable branch while Im running the stable branch? |
| 09:58.55 | rohan | tosh: simple. add the deb-src for unstable |
| 09:59.03 | tosh | but that will fsck up everything, no? |
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| 09:59.07 | rohan | tosh: apt-get build-dep pwsafe |
| 09:59.09 | rohan | no, tosh wait. |
| 09:59.13 | azeem | !ssb |
| 09:59.16 | azeem | hrm |
| 09:59.30 | dbe | dondelelcaro, I don't know how do use them, do you please have any complete example of this? thx |
| 09:59.32 | rohan | tosh: apt-get source pwsage -t unstable. |
| 09:59.45 | rohan | tosh: go to that dir which is created. debian/rules binary |
| 09:59.48 | rohan | thats all, tosh done |
| 10:00.04 | azeem | except if the build-deps are uninstallable in sarge |
| 10:00.11 | xptical | I installed a "minimal" sarge install. what is the package name for the common compilers? |
| 10:00.12 | pengol | how do I specify shell arguments from the second to the last? |
| 10:00.15 | rohan | yes. |
| 10:00.20 | dondelelcaro | dbe: I have them, but you need to make an effort to learn the tools. |
| 10:00.21 | rohan | xptical: apt-get install build-essential |
| 10:00.26 | tosh | rohan I need to add the deb-src for unstable to do that apt-get source I suppose? |
| 10:00.33 | xptical | rohan: domo |
| 10:00.47 | rohan | tosh: build-dep before that. and apt-get update before everything else |
| 10:00.54 | rohan | xptical: what does domo mean ? |
| 10:01.07 | xptical | rohan: thanks in japanese.... |
| 10:01.12 | dbe | dondelelcaro, I know, I'm building alot of bash scripts for stuffs like this so thats not the problem, but I need to save some time one this one |
| 10:01.15 | tosh | doomo is thank you in japanese |
| 10:01.21 | rohan | xptical: hehe, np :) |
| 10:01.21 | tosh | domo doesn't mean anything |
| 10:01.26 | xptical | my bad |
| 10:01.40 | xptical | stupid laptop keyboard |
| 10:01.49 | xptical | and damn my lack of spelling abilities |
| 10:01.50 | rohan | tosh: did it work ? |
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| 10:02.18 | dondelelcaro | dbe: it's always a problem; You're going to use the printf option to find to print out the mtime as well as the filename, then sort using sort, then cut using head, then sed out the time. |
| 10:02.23 | dbe | dondelelcaro, find /foo/ -printf '%T@ %p\n' | sort -n | tail -1 |
| 10:02.40 | loochoos | hi all |
| 10:02.49 | dondelelcaro | dbe: then sed 's/^\d+ //' |
| 10:02.50 | dbe | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 10:03.11 | pengol | there is no way to specify all shell arguments from the second $2 up to the last? |
| 10:03.13 | dondelelcaro | or [[:digit:]] if sed doesn't support \d. |
| 10:03.21 | tosh | rohan whats the sequence now? I do apt-get build-dep pwsafe && apt-get source pwsafe -t unstable ? like that |
| 10:03.36 | rohan | yes, tosh after apt-get update |
| 10:03.53 | tosh | when do I do the update? |
| 10:04.01 | dbe | dondelelcaro, yes, thx |
| 10:04.04 | rohan | tosh: after adding the deb-src line for unstable |
| 10:04.17 | dondelelcaro | dbe: np |
| 10:05.13 | rohan | hmm.. is this an intenional typo in dpkg ? factoid : sid |
| 10:05.22 | rohan | backronymed Still In Development |
| 10:05.27 | xptical | OK, my perl shell is still returning a "NOT OK" when trying to write a makefile for HTML::Parser |
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| 10:05.33 | Squarepants | hi |
| 10:05.34 | xptical | any ideas |
| 10:05.36 | dondelelcaro | rohan: no |
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| 10:05.44 | rohan | dondelelcaro: ok. then its my bad english :) |
| 10:05.50 | Squarepants | which console command can write a file into a cd wr? |
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| 10:05.56 | dondelelcaro | !backronym |
| 10:05.56 | dpkg | somebody said backronym was [from the Jargon file] backronym n. [portmanteau of back + acronym] A word interpreted as an acronym that was not originally so intended. This is a special case of what linguists call `back formation'. Examples are given under {BASIC}, {recursive acronym} (Cygnus), {Acme}, and {mung}. Discovering backronyms is a common form of wordplay among hackers. Compare {retcon}. |
| 10:06.15 | rohan | dondelelcaro: ah, should have asked dpkg :P |
| 10:06.22 | rohan | dondelelcaro: how many factoids does dpkg have already ? |
| 10:06.29 | rohan | Squarepants: cdrecord |
| 10:06.37 | rohan | Squarepants: gui's include k3b, gnomebaker |
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| 10:08.28 | rohan | tosh: hope it works. |
| 10:08.32 | rohan | catch ya all later |
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| 10:08.38 | tosh | rohan thanks |
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| 10:10.01 | Ako | hey all |
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| 10:10.23 | xptical | ok, other than build-essential, is there anything else common I'd need to build perl modules? |
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| 10:10.41 | user__ | i have upgraded my debian etch recently and im using xorg 6.9.0 now, the problem is that since this upgrade nvidia drivers do not work anylonger, nvidia-glx has been uninstalled and when im trying to install it it wants to uninstall x-windows-system-core and xserver-xorg. Any ideas how to fix it? |
| 10:11.25 | sep | user--, you upgraded your nvidia module when upgrading etch ? |
| 10:11.29 | sep | !nvidia one-liner |
| 10:11.29 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 10:11.50 | sep | m-a prepare ; m-a a-i nvidia beeing what i'd try first |
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| 10:12.12 | Azar | sep so by moving from sarge to etch one has to reinstall/reconfigure all video, x and sound? |
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| 10:13.13 | Azar | what about kernels? if you run a 2.6.8 in sarge will have to go up with kernel in etch? |
| 10:13.26 | user__ | sep yes i tryied m-a auto-install nvidia already, i can load nvidia module manualy however i cannot start xserver with using nvidia driver: (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 10:13.44 | dondelelcaro | xptical: fakeroot, dh-make-perl... |
| 10:13.47 | Azar | nvidia module: "nv" |
| 10:13.59 | user__ | Azar i have to use nvidia |
| 10:14.16 | Azar | user__ yes you will pick "nv" for nvidia |
| 10:14.31 | sep | user__, no you need nvidia-glx installed tho... |
| 10:14.37 | user__ | Azar i cannot use "nv" cause it crashes my box in few settings |
| 10:15.06 | sep | user__, you can try grabbing nvidia-glx from sid. |
| 10:15.26 | user__ | sep apt-get install nvidia-glx, The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 10:15.33 | Azar | install x then do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (or xserver-xfree86) and pick "nv" |
| 10:15.34 | Ako | hey everyone ! I'm new with debain ! any usefull (Tutorial) sites that I improve my know* |
| 10:15.41 | user__ | x-window-system-core xserver-xorg |
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| 10:16.03 | JNelson | okay, looks like I"ve finally got the new kernel working |
| 10:16.06 | user__ | Azar i told you already i CANNOT use "nv" driver |
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| 10:16.13 | JNelson | that was a scary bit of package hacking :( |
| 10:16.17 | Azar | Ako: ttp://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
| 10:16.18 | JNelson | thanks guys! |
| 10:16.25 | Azar | user__ ok don't then |
| 10:16.30 | Ako | thnx Azar |
| 10:17.13 | user__ | sep well that won't work, i cant usedrivers newer then 7174 cause they don't support my gfx card |
| 10:17.41 | xptical | dondelelcaro: CPAN is still giving me an error when writing a makefile |
| 10:17.49 | Azar | user__ kernel version? |
| 10:18.06 | user__ | 2.6.12 |
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| 10:19.05 | user__ | and "nv" driver crashes my box radomly |
| 10:19.08 | user__ | random* |
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| 10:19.52 | Azar | well then is a xorg/nvidia issue |
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| 10:21.07 | user__ | this is something i know already |
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| 10:24.53 | Squarepants | rohan: i can't use cdrecord with a 2.6 kernel |
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| 10:25.32 | user__ | Squarepants why not |
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| 10:25.46 | Squarepants | it returns warnings about incompatibility |
| 10:25.50 | user__ | i'll try if vesa driver crashes my box too, hope itwon't |
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| 10:26.10 | Squarepants | cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 10:26.21 | user__ | Squarepants ignore them |
| 10:26.28 | Squarepants | i do but it doesn't work |
| 10:26.40 | Squarepants | No read access for 'dev=0,6,0' |
| 10:27.17 | user__ | Squarepants its because with 2.4 kernel scsi emulation was used to record cd's, and since 2.6 it ins't anylonger |
| 10:27.18 | pitillo | Squarepants, do you have scsi emulation support in your kernel? or is areal scsi device? |
| 10:27.40 | user__ | pitillo he shouldn't use scsi emulation with 2.6 kernel |
| 10:27.55 | Azar | user__ if this is of any help: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/NVIDIAProprietaryDriver |
| 10:27.56 | pitillo | user--, why? |
| 10:28.12 | user__ | pitillo cause it is not nessesery |
| 10:28.18 | Squarepants | pitillo, i don't know, how do i find out? |
| 10:29.15 | keta | do you think i can pipe a cpio (or dd as well) output to growisofs? |
| 10:29.17 | Squarepants | and is there another command that doesn't need scsi emulation? |
| 10:29.18 | pitillo | user--, I dont know it, I have a 2.6.11 kernel and scsi emulation support. I?ll try to deactivate it and probe to see what happen |
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| 10:29.53 | nsdutch | Am I in for any suprises if I decide to go all unstable in my sources.list after I've been using stable for a long time and I apt-get update && upgrade? |
| 10:30.09 | user__ | pitillo its well known that scsi emulation is not nessesy since 2.6 |
| 10:30.13 | kippi | how can I just reload my network config? |
| 10:30.24 | Squarepants | user--, thet what can i do? |
| 10:30.50 | user__ | Squarepants are you using sarge? |
| 10:31.00 | user__ | Squarepants i would try to reinstall cdrtools |
| 10:31.29 | user__ | Squarepants and i think i get same warnings from cdrecord but it works |
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| 10:31.57 | Squarepants | what is the cdrtools package name? |
| 10:32.02 | Squarepants | it says 'no such package' |
| 10:32.13 | keta | kippi: /etc/init.d/networking restart, or use ifdown ethX ; ifup ethX to "reset" just one network device |
| 10:32.42 | ILF_ | all my fonts in firefox are smaler than usual, even firefox own menus. i thought it had something to do with my ~/.Xdefaults, but that file doesn't exist. what causes this? |
| 10:32.48 | kippi | keta: thanks |
| 10:32.48 | user__ | Squarepants do you have a proper /etc/apt/source.list? |
| 10:32.52 | Squarepants | yes |
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| 10:33.08 | nsdutch | ILF_: same problem you have |
| 10:33.28 | user__ | Squarepants ah, apt-get install cdrecord |
| 10:33.30 | ILF_ | nsdutch: so what's the fix? :) |
| 10:33.47 | nsdutch | ILF_: i got my page fonts\style proper size through firefox options - but my toolbar's still so small on 1280x resolution KDE |
| 10:34.03 | user__ | ILF_ try to run xserver with higher dpi |
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| 10:34.09 | nsdutch | I just decided to live with it, URL field etc |
| 10:34.16 | JmGV | what is SPI? |
| 10:34.23 | Squarepants | did that |
| 10:34.31 | sep | !spi |
| 10:34.31 | dpkg | hmm... spi is Software in the Public Interest, the umbrella organization for Debian and other Free Software projects, and the home page is http://www.spi-inc.org/ |
| 10:34.38 | user__ | !dpi |
| 10:34.38 | dpkg | it has been said that dpi is your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. |
| 10:34.55 | JmGV | thanks |
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| 10:35.02 | ILF_ | user__: it's not my resolution, everything else is fine |
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| 10:35.13 | ILF_ | nsdutch: this is annoying. and it just started yesterday out of nowhere |
| 10:35.17 | Squarepants | trying with cdw |
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| 10:35.34 | Azar | nsdutch: if you decide to move to unstable, at your own risk, it WILL behave as an unstable system and there is no go back -- just reformat |
| 10:35.37 | user__ | ILF_ i tell you try to startx with higher dpi |
| 10:35.38 | ILF_ | nsdutch: and which firefox options did you set for page fonts\style? |
| 10:36.03 | nsdutch | Azar = ARG but it's so tempting. |
| 10:36.09 | kippi | Hi, I have got two network cards, both setup in the same way and one can ping and the other one can't any ideas? |
| 10:36.38 | user__ | ILF_ try "startx --dpi 100" |
| 10:36.49 | Azar | nsdutch: I ran sid last year and it was ok... lasted 3 months then suddenly applications kept dying and vanishing. I had to reinstall the stable |
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| 10:37.38 | user__ | its much better to use testing i then unstable i think |
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| 10:38.11 | Azar | user__ once you hit the honeypot, you want more and more.. |
| 10:39.05 | user__ | Azar if you want a recent versions of aplications gentoo will be better choice then debian sid |
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| 10:39.53 | Azar | user__ Id rather run my spare box with Debian sid and offer it for testing to the community than run gentoo |
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| 10:40.46 | user__ | and im not fanatic |
| 10:40.55 | Azar | I am |
| 10:40.58 | user__ | i use what i think is best for me |
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| 10:41.33 | quitte | how can i make mythtv compile with qte instead of qt when i have both installed? |
| 10:41.37 | Azar | there is a big difference between making love and having a quickie |
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| 10:41.59 | kippi | how do I add somthing to the routing table? |
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| 10:42.11 | Ronin | well that was an interesting comment to get back to the channel on this morning Azar |
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| 10:42.22 | user__ | kippi route add? :) |
| 10:42.24 | Azar | :x sorry ronin |
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| 10:43.00 | Ronin | :) |
| 10:43.15 | Azar | 3 am here I should really go to bed.. |
| 10:44.42 | ice_1963 | it's 5:45 here |
| 10:44.50 | ice_1963 | am |
| 10:45.09 | user__ | so |
| 10:45.26 | user__ | ? |
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| 10:45.53 | ice_1963 | so what |
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| 10:46.17 | user__ | yeah, so what? |
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| 11:05.09 | Thanatermesis | any person knows why f*** i have this problem all the time ? i don't know what is the change on bash or any similar thing but is really breaking my nuts... http://thana.no-ip.org/tmp/tmp/fuckingterminals.avi |
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| 11:08.22 | petemc | Thanatermesis: you cant describe the problem without having to use a video? |
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| 11:08.51 | yosi | How can i use ssh to forward port 80 from my machine through my server? |
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| 11:09.45 | sep | Thanatermesis, that url timeout for me |
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| 11:13.42 | Thanatermesis | sep and you can ping to my domain ? http://thana.no-ip.org |
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| 11:15.04 | kippi | I have got two network cards, both setup in the same way and one can ping and the other one can't any ideas? |
| 11:15.12 | Thanatermesis | petemc yes, but im not english native... i have strange things on my console, when im not have finished the line, some times i have a "\n", line jump, and my next words are writed on the SAME line cleaning all the rest of the before line... or if i press the "up arrow" for give another command, i "up" lines.. uh!, really weird |
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| 11:16.15 | N0S3 | Thanatermesis: que ingles pibe ! aja |
| 11:16.21 | tosh | how come mozilla-thunderbird 1.0.5 is the "latest" version in the unstable tree? we're at version 1.5. how do I get the 1.5? |
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| 11:17.44 | ft | tosh: 1.5 is in unstable |
| 11:18.21 | ft | tosh: oh, sorry i read firefox :) |
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| 11:20.06 | tosh | ft :) |
| 11:20.34 | tosh | mozilla-thunderbird is already the newest version. |
| 11:20.35 | tosh | tsss |
| 11:20.43 | tosh | what do I do here? |
| 11:21.15 | sep | tosh, compile it form source. or wait until someone packages it for you ? |
| 11:21.44 | sep | tosh, email the maintainer and ask if you can pay him to prioitize thunderbird over something else ? |
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| 11:21.58 | sep | or just be patient |
| 11:22.00 | tosh | pff weak |
| 11:22.19 | tosh | thunderbird is a very popular package |
| 11:22.33 | jes-o-mat | How can I allow routing of packages that are going to a broadcast address |
| 11:22.34 | sep | tosh, why dont you package it then ? |
| 11:22.52 | tosh | because I am a debian user, not a package/software maintainer |
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| 11:23.23 | sep | jes-o-mat, not sure if you can |
| 11:23.31 | sep | jes-o-mat, perhaps some proxylike daeon on the router |
| 11:23.42 | bbrazil | jes-o-mat: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:23.56 | tosh | jes-o-mat broadcast is broadcast, no routing |
| 11:24.10 | tosh | jes-o-mat unless you want to do dhcp traversal over a firewall etc |
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| 11:24.21 | sep | tosh, well they dont get paied either. so they have to do it on their spare time. so if he's busy getting food on the table i can't expect them to put package jobs for me for free in front of that |
| 11:24.36 | jes-o-mat | I'm trying to send an udp-stream from a different subnet to a broadcast area, that all nodes can listen on it |
| 11:25.10 | tosh | jes-o-mat then why not use multicast? |
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| 11:25.15 | tosh | its there for a reason |
| 11:25.15 | nsdutch | Anybody in here have a linux job? |
| 11:25.19 | xerophyte | could somebody help me with my interenet share?? inet ==>[public ip] Router[192.168.0.1] ==>[192.168.0.102]linux Server [what ip should i configure this ] ==>router ==> [what ip should be this ]labtop , i have all stuff instaled iptables, dhcpserver, forward enabled, linux 2.6.12 |
| 11:25.37 | tosh | xerophyte learn about routing/nat at www.firewall.cx |
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| 11:25.38 | jes-o-mat | tosh: maybe cause I'm not really familiar with it |
| 11:25.56 | tosh | jes-o-mat read up on multicast and streaming media |
| 11:26.03 | tosh | once you get the hang of it its quite fun |
| 11:26.09 | jes-o-mat | I do not even really know which subnet for site local and so on |
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| 11:26.35 | ft | tosh: check the bts, there's a links to experimental tb 1.5 packages in there |
| 11:26.37 | jes-o-mat | do you have a good starting point for reading through? |
| 11:26.55 | ft | s/links/link/ |
| 11:26.56 | kozmic_ | is it possible to get remote access to a debian server that is behind a firewall (no control over the firewall, full control of the server) through a server outside the firewall ? (thinking some sort of tunnel) |
| 11:27.35 | jes-o-mat | kozmir_: ssh -R |
| 11:27.45 | jes-o-mat | from server to outside |
| 11:28.04 | kozmic_ | jes-o-mat: thanks, ill look into it :) |
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| 11:29.30 | sep | tosh, a simple google queery gave this http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/ |
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| 11:31.19 | Rawplayer | http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16532 |
| 11:31.56 | djp | is there a log kept of all print jobs? i used the foomatic-gui to setup my printer and chose to install print server with my initial debian install... |
| 11:32.51 | Guerin | djp: http://localhost:631 |
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| 11:33.14 | jm_ | read up about accounting with CUPS to learn how to do it |
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| 11:33.52 | djp | Guerin, thanks |
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| 11:34.42 | Guerin | djp: my mother went out and recklessly bought a new computer today, I'm currently quite familiar with that all. |
| 11:34.47 | Guerin | no |
| 11:34.52 | Guerin | a new printer, not a new compuyter |
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| 11:37.01 | Blackhold | hello, I'm looking for a program that shows what happened in the past the same day of today |
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| 11:37.46 | nsdutch | You could use wikipedia for a source, blackhold - |
| 11:38.11 | Blackhold | no no, don't is wikipedia |
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| 11:38.33 | Blackhold | is a funny repository |
| 11:38.45 | Trewas | Blackhold: command "calendar" in package bsdmainutils (so probably already installed) |
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| 11:39.00 | Trewas | if I understood correctly what you were searching for :) |
| 11:39.02 | Blackhold | Trewas: thanks |
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| 11:39.12 | Blackhold | that is! :D |
| 11:39.14 | kevin_ | anyone from australia? i need urgent the source.list please |
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| 11:39.56 | CcSsNET | atlantica.us/apt/ |
| 11:40.03 | CcSsNET | kevin_ ^^ |
| 11:40.03 | mrverbose | which package contains isdnctrl on testing? |
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| 11:40.27 | mrverbose | havent found the package via apt though and there is no misdn driver for my card available yet, so i have to stick with hisax |
| 11:40.34 | Blackhold | well thanks |
| 11:40.35 | Blackhold | bye |
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| 11:44.06 | daniel073 | ist das normal das im deutschen Channel niemand antwortet? :o) |
| 11:44.21 | mrverbose | daniel073: forget about the german channel |
| 11:44.38 | mrverbose | #debian.de sucks, but you should ask your questions in english here |
| 11:44.41 | daniel073 | hm...aber des englischen bin ich kaum mächtig |
| 11:44.58 | daniel073 | deshalb geh ich ja in den deutschen Channel |
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| 11:45.14 | harso | i have one question how to set upsmon that shutdown pc after is 2 minits on Battery? |
| 11:45.21 | harso | hi |
| 11:45.30 | ft | daniel073: i haven't seen you in #debian.de.... |
| 11:45.42 | mrverbose | harso: i assume you are talking about a laptop |
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| 11:46.32 | mrverbose | if properly setup you should be able to do the following: cat /proc/acpi/battery/$BAT/state |
| 11:46.40 | daniel073 | debian.de oder debian-de ? |
| 11:47.04 | Guerin | !de |
| 11:47.04 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 11:47.11 | mrverbose | there is another german channel? This time with nice people in it? |
| 11:47.33 | harso | mrverbose: i have talk a server |
| 11:47.39 | ft | mrverbose: what's unfriendly about #debian.de? |
| 11:48.04 | graytron | ft = fair team? |
| 11:48.20 | ft | graytron: nah, /whois ft |
| 11:48.39 | mrverbose | ft: some "pseudo-admins" in there tend to be very unfriendly and annoying - thats not only my opinion, the whole channel is known to be that way on all over freenode ... |
| 11:48.42 | graytron | ft: that explains :) |
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| 11:50.21 | ft | mrverbose: well... not my experience. |
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| 11:50.51 | graytron | mrverbose: some years ago i had the same experience here |
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| 11:51.21 | mrverbose | graytron: i hat that experience on #debian.de only a month ago :D |
| 11:52.01 | graytron | mrverbose: well i've only been here for a few days now, not following much, so i don't know the situation now |
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| 11:52.23 | mrverbose | and once i complained in some other channels about their behavior i found dozens of other people that were treated in the same unfriendly manner... |
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| 11:55.46 | jelly | does http://lists.debian.org work? |
| 11:56.27 | jetscreamer | no? |
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| 11:56.40 | jetscreamer | no |
| 11:56.56 | Thanatermesis | any person knows why f*** i have this problem all the time ? i don't know what is the change on bash or any similar thing but is really breaking my nuts... http://thana.no-ip.org/tmp/tmp/fuckingterminals.avi |
| 11:57.10 | jm_ | avi? wtf |
| 11:57.12 | Thanatermesis | (350 kb) |
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| 11:57.37 | jelly | dpkg, usb mount is also apt-get install usbmount |
| 11:57.37 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
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| 11:57.52 | jetscreamer | is there sound, with you cussing and stuff? :) |
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| 11:58.22 | Blastaway | hey there, anyone using an ergonomic keyboard? |
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| 11:58.33 | jetscreamer | or the squishy sound of your testicles breaking maybe... |
| 11:58.40 | jetscreamer | ow |
| 11:58.42 | tijn | ? |
| 11:58.50 | tijn | just fell in this conversation... |
| 11:58.57 | mirak | is there anything like virtual dub on linux ? |
| 11:59.01 | jetscreamer | [05.56.56] <Thanatermesis> any person knows why f*** i have this problem all the time ? i don't know what is the change on bash or any similar thing but is really breaking my nuts... http://thana.no-ip.org/tmp/tmp/fuckingterminals.avi |
| 11:59.12 | tijn | aah ok |
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| 11:59.36 | Thanatermesis | o_O |
| 11:59.52 | jetscreamer | unsupported codec here btw :( my fault not you probably.. what codec |
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| 12:01.04 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: i get that too |
| 12:01.11 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: major pain in the arse |
| 12:01.12 | iostream | Hi... I have a system (AMD X2 3800+) running Debian AMD 64 unofficial port... The CPU is using 66% on "hi" (hardware interrrupts) on a nForce4 chipset... What could be the problem? |
| 12:01.12 | Guerin | i |
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| 12:01.34 | Guerin | jetscreamer: it's just xvid, dawg |
| 12:01.38 | sep | iostream, no dma on disks ? |
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| 12:02.15 | iostream | sep: Yep, but the disk is idle? The system is idle... |
| 12:02.20 | Thanatermesis | jetscreamer xvid |
| 12:02.26 | jetscreamer | Guerin: i've torn mybox up recently and am in a state of newness on like 5 different partitions/os's |
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| 12:02.36 | Guerin | fun for you |
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| 12:02.41 | Thanatermesis | Guerin is very weird... is a f*** thing for work |
| 12:02.58 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: i worked around it by having fucking wide terminals |
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| 12:03.07 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: but that's rather less than optimal |
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| 12:04.29 | jason_ | does anyone use cgi:irc here? |
| 12:04.51 | Thanatermesis | Guerin very ugly if you try to type a large command... options.. all is hide.. and you DON'T Know if you can posible to type a f*** selfdestruct command... is imposible to work minimum seriously if this appears |
| 12:05.09 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: what terminal emulator? |
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| 12:05.57 | Thanatermesis | for this moments rxvt-unicode... im not sure now if is with all |
| 12:06.28 | Guerin | hm, I use rxvt-unicode as well |
| 12:06.34 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: i find it happens only sometimes |
| 12:06.54 | aidan | how does one change the login message / message of the day ? |
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| 12:07.14 | nkuttler | aidan: man motd |
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| 12:07.25 | jetscreamer | /etc/motd is once place.. there is another. motd will get overwritten sometimes iirc |
| 12:07.25 | Thanatermesis | yes, is strange.. now i can't reproduce it |
| 12:07.30 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:07.45 | OldakQuill | Can someone recommend a disc image emulator (for .cue/.bin) suitable to be run in Debian? |
| 12:08.02 | Guerin | OldakQuill: convert it to an iso and mount with -o loop |
| 12:08.08 | aidan | cool |
| 12:08.11 | jetscreamer | there's a bin2iso proggie iirc |
| 12:08.20 | jetscreamer | !info bin2iso |
| 12:08.21 | aidan | How do I make vim beep rather than flash? |
| 12:08.25 | OldakQuill | Ok, thanks for your help |
| 12:08.33 | jetscreamer | or i could not be iirc'ing |
| 12:09.21 | jetscreamer | or the bot is sloooow |
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| 12:09.22 | mrverbose | Thanatermesis: if you find a solution, i'd be interested in it, i have the same problem |
| 12:09.34 | Guerin | the trouble is how to describe it |
| 12:09.36 | N0S3 | does somebody know some similar package to " motion?" |
| 12:09.37 | mrverbose | on my boxes it happens mostly in case i paste something |
| 12:09.44 | jetscreamer | you have a video |
| 12:09.53 | OldakQuill | Is bin2iso a sf.org project? |
| 12:10.01 | jetscreamer | i think it's in sources |
| 12:10.02 | mwOnLinux | aidan: :h errorbells and :h visualbell |
| 12:10.11 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search |
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| 12:10.21 | jetscreamer | bot is stil updateing sources |
| 12:10.44 | aidan | mwOnLinux: ah cool |
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| 12:13.14 | Eaglered | anyone know if it is possible in debian to have a service that can share email contacts, like the exchange public folders |
| 12:13.32 | jetscreamer | there's openexchange, dunno if that's what you want |
| 12:14.09 | AciD | there is things like dotcove too, or cyrus |
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| 12:19.19 | Mike_Lan | hello |
| 12:19.25 | Mike_Lan | Help to solve a problem |
| 12:19.32 | tosh | don't ask to ask |
| 12:19.38 | Eaglered | ok I will have a look, thanks |
| 12:19.45 | Thanatermesis | <mrverbose> Thanatermesis: if you find a solution, i'd be interested in it, i have the same problem |
| 12:19.51 | Thanatermesis | aparently im not the only :) |
| 12:19.56 | Thanatermesis | is a big problem in one part |
| 12:20.03 | Mike_Lan | )) |
| 12:20.05 | Thanatermesis | i don't know from where is but is very weird |
| 12:20.05 | Eaglered | Mike_Lan just ask your question |
| 12:20.14 | Thanatermesis | any person has any info about this ? a bash problem ? a terminal problem ? |
| 12:20.15 | drasko | Hi all. When I start X, GDM does not have appropriate resolution, and my monitior iscomplaining about this. Where to fix this? |
| 12:20.20 | mrverbose | Thanatermesis: it almost always occurs if i paste some text into the console with more than one line |
| 12:20.27 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: i was told by someone it might be a termcap(?) issue or a readline issue |
| 12:20.30 | jm_ | !drxx drasko |
| 12:20.31 | dpkg | drasko: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:20.33 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: i know nothing about these things |
| 12:20.42 | Eaglered | drasko check /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 12:20.50 | Mike_Lan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.01 | Mike_Lan | E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root? |
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| 12:22.08 | Thanatermesis | mrverbose Guerin i have found on /etc/bash.bashrc a interesant line... "shopt -s checkwinsize".. and in my bashrc file, my PS1 i have make a little change with the first color before start the prompt.. and i have think to its solved from one time.. but aparently no |
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| 12:23.19 | rss | What is the driver for ATI Radeon X300? |
| 12:23.28 | Eaglered | Mike_Lan are you running the command as root? |
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| 12:24.05 | Mike_Lan | yes |
| 12:24.40 | N0S1 | somebody known a similar package to "motion" (pardon for the reiteration ) |
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| 12:24.43 | Eclipser | rss, fglrx |
| 12:25.24 | rss | Eclipser: is it non-free? |
| 12:25.52 | Eclipser | rss, depends on the defination of free (mine usually differs from debian view) :) |
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| 12:25.59 | Eclipser | it's available on www.ati.com |
| 12:26.18 | Eclipser | !tell rss -about ati drivers |
| 12:27.07 | rss | Eclipser: Don't make this a ideological issue... all I asked was do I get it by default in Sarge... thanks for the lead |
| 12:27.19 | drasko | Eaglered, jm_ I checked XF86Conf, I can not see the resolution 1600x1200 in which gdm is started. Why it is starting in that resolution, when this resolution is never witten in XF86Config file? |
| 12:27.22 | drasko | \ |
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| 12:30.43 | jm_ | drasko: XF86Conf is not the file it uses |
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| 12:34.09 | Bac0n | i have problem with etch ... i get /lib/udev/udev_run_devd ... udev_run_hotplugd ... vol_id failed in the startup |
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| 12:39.47 | daMaestro | hey guys.. |
| 12:40.04 | daMaestro | I need to get an install of debian woody.. is this possible.. any links to ISOs? |
| 12:40.33 | sime | does anyone use vtprint, or terminal printing |
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| 12:42.21 | tosh | http://pastebin.com/555808 -> any idea whats going on here? just unpacked thunderbird and trying to run it |
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| 12:43.19 | jm_ | sime: define terminal printing |
| 12:43.52 | sime | printing to the local printer but running an remote application (to which has not idea about the printer) |
| 12:44.31 | nkuttler | daMaestro: /msg dpkg install woody, at least the floppy images were still available last time i checked |
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| 12:44.41 | jm_ | I have no idea what that could possibly mean |
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| 12:45.03 | azeem | daMaestro: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/current/i386/ |
| 12:45.11 | azeem | dpkg, woody iso is http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/current/i386/ |
| 12:45.11 | dpkg | ...but woody iso is already something else... |
| 12:45.12 | sime | hrm, say you are running pine, on a remote machine |
| 12:45.16 | azeem | !woody iso |
| 12:45.16 | dpkg | lucky you...you can get a woody iso from http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 12:45.25 | sime | you say print, and it prints to your printer |
| 12:45.36 | daMaestro | azeem, thanks much. |
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| 12:45.40 | azeem | dpkg, no woody iso is you can get woody iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/current/i386/ |
| 12:45.40 | dpkg | azeem: okay |
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| 12:46.04 | daMaestro | will I just need 1of7 to do a minimal install? |
| 12:46.19 | sime | manpage of vtprint: print files from UNIX host to printer attached to local terminal |
| 12:46.52 | nkuttler | daMaestro: yes |
| 12:46.57 | daMaestro | nkuttler, thanks,. |
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| 12:47.56 | jm_ | that's if printer is attached to a real - physicial - terminal |
| 12:48.03 | jm_ | stupid typos |
| 12:48.25 | sime | yeah |
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| 12:52.29 | parte | Hi |
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| 12:53.21 | parte | i can not ./configure |
| 12:53.33 | parte | in the config.log -> /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory |
| 12:53.35 | parte | what i can do? |
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| 12:54.27 | fhffhqvb | "locales conflicts with base-config" < what the hell? |
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| 12:55.01 | philipp_ | what ist debian/control.modules.in good for? |
| 12:55.46 | azeem | philipp_: such a question would only make sense in the context of a partucular source package |
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| 12:56.02 | parte | Hhi azeem, can you help me? |
| 12:56.09 | azeem | parte: oh man |
| 12:56.15 | parte | please :/ |
| 12:56.17 | azeem | parte: don't harrass people to help them |
| 12:56.22 | philipp_ | well, what tool reads control.modules.in? |
| 12:56.28 | azeem | parte: I was /just/ about to type the solution to your problem |
| 12:56.39 | azeem | philipp_: none that I know of |
| 12:56.39 | tralala | philipp_: less |
| 12:56.42 | parte | ok foroget my question about can u help me :> |
| 12:56.51 | azeem | parte: install build-essential |
| 12:56.57 | parte | i was just loud thinking |
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| 12:57.08 | parte | with apt-get? |
| 12:57.10 | azeem | yes |
| 12:57.15 | nuambenzina | where shoud I put the mirror for apt ? in witch format ? can y give me a link ? |
| 12:57.28 | azeem | parte: this channel largely profits from some clueful people looking at questions from time to time and aswering those they can |
| 12:57.28 | parte | ok im on it |
| 12:57.42 | parte | yes im sorry, just forget it :) |
| 12:57.43 | philipp_ | hm it is part of every kernel-module package, but I can't find a reason for it |
| 12:57.44 | nuambenzina | like... cvsup for freeBSD ? |
| 12:57.48 | azeem | parte: if people start to beg/harrass those people to help them as well, they will just leave, and nobody will profit |
| 12:57.59 | azeem | parte: anyway, no big deal |
| 12:58.09 | parte | ok forgive me one time k? |
| 12:58.10 | azeem | nuambenzina: which mirror |
| 12:58.11 | parte | :p |
| 12:58.11 | azeem | ? |
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| 12:59.28 | nuambenzina | i`m tryng to do a apt-get update , but will gonna take to long if will download from defalut location (Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org stable/main bla bla bla ) |
| 13:00.02 | azeem | nuambenzina: so what do you want to do instead? |
| 13:00.10 | azeem | download the *whole* archive to mirror it? |
| 13:00.16 | parte | oh a big package :\ |
| 13:00.31 | nuambenzina | no |
| 13:00.37 | parte | azeem: it stopped downloading |
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| 13:00.42 | nuambenzina | i wish to change the location for update |
| 13:00.48 | parte | on 62% [13 perl-modules 252488/2178kB 11%] |
| 13:01.46 | parte | however i does it again, and it works now |
| 13:01.53 | nuambenzina | on my sistem , to do the update / install packages from "ftp.roedu.iasi.ro/mirror/debian/packages&&stuff " or "ftp.debian.ro" not from "ftp.debian.org" |
| 13:02.11 | parte | so i downloaded it |
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| 13:02.42 | sep | nuambenzina, the command apt-setup sould insert proper mirrors based on your selection |
| 13:02.43 | slept | nuambenzina, edit /etc/apt/sources.list or do apt-setup |
| 13:02.57 | nuambenzina | 10 q |
| 13:02.58 | nuambenzina | :) |
| 13:03.29 | AciD | !xgl |
| 13:03.31 | parte | oh ./configure works now |
| 13:03.34 | parte | thank you azeem :) |
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| 13:04.53 | iostream | Hi. I'm trying to enable DMA on my AMD X2 nForce4 computer, I have loaded the module amd74xx, but i still cant enable DMA: "HDIO_SET_DMA: Operation not permitted." |
| 13:05.19 | iostream | It's running the AMD64 port of debian, what could I be doing wrong? |
| 13:05.31 | jm_ | try #debian-amd64 |
| 13:05.40 | iostream | okay |
| 13:06.02 | jm_ | no issues with NF4U and 32bit kernel here |
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| 13:07.18 | iostream | jm_: 32bit, so you're using the official debian CD? |
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| 13:08.16 | jm_ | iostream: yes, but I have a custom kernel now |
| 13:09.10 | iostream | jm_: okay, could I install the offial 32bit edition, and compile a 64Bit kernel myself? And run both 32bit and 64 apps? |
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| 13:09.48 | jm_ | iostream: if you want 64bit stuff it's better to use AMD64 bit release and then have 32bit chroot for apps that need it |
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| 13:10.10 | jm_ | s/ bit // |
| 13:10.10 | iostream | jm_: Ah, but I cant get the 64bit port to work.. |
| 13:10.15 | iostream | Atleast not yet |
| 13:11.10 | jm_ | iostream: yeah, but that should be easy to solve - several people had similar issues, don't remember what the solution is (something with IDE modules load order IIRC) |
| 13:11.23 | iostream | jm_: hmm okay |
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| 13:15.13 | sime | Does a network attached printer have a listing in /dev/ |
| 13:15.23 | weissi | sime, no |
| 13:16.16 | sime | so how does the OS treat it, because i thought all hardware interactions was through /dev |
| 13:16.26 | jm_ | not for sockets |
| 13:16.34 | Eclipser | it's attached to network so it works with sockets |
| 13:16.36 | sime | argh, keyword sockets |
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| 13:17.25 | weissi | sime, a network printer only exists in your printing system... |
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| 13:19.39 | weissi | sime, if you print, you send a file (normally PS) to your printing system(e.g. lpd, cups), the printing system opens a dev file if it's a local printer or a socket to another printing system (on a remote system) and send your file to this printing system. the second one then opens a /dev and sends it to the printer |
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| 13:20.14 | sime | aren't sockets represented in /dev ? |
| 13:20.14 | jm_ | unless it's a real network printer ;) |
| 13:20.29 | weissi | sime, no |
| 13:20.48 | sime | jm_, what do you mean by that ? |
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| 13:21.08 | jm_ | sime: a printer which you send data to via TCP/IP or other protocol |
| 13:21.25 | jm_ | sime: it was a comment related to weissi's statement |
| 13:22.00 | weissi | jm_: a "real" network printer has it's own printing system, so I'm still right, I think ;-) |
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| 13:22.06 | alfauros | where on earth am i supposed to find a totem plugin for mozilla in unstable? |
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| 13:22.13 | jm_ | weissi: no |
| 13:24.34 | weissi | jm_, it has a printing system, a network printer is a computer which emulates smb-print/ipp/lpd/..., so it has a printing system... |
| 13:24.49 | jm_ | weissi: not the ones we have they don't |
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| 13:25.27 | weissi | jm_: and how do you send a file to these printers? |
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| 13:25.55 | jm_ | weissi: TCP/IP on given port |
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| 13:26.46 | weissi | jm_, and what's the protocol? (btw. what printer is that?) |
| 13:26.49 | daMaestro | does woody not support VMware? |
| 13:27.06 | weissi | jm_, do you send plain PS to it over tcp/ip? |
| 13:27.07 | daMaestro | anyone remember what kernel the woody installer runs? |
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| 13:27.13 | jm_ | weissi: no protocol, you send raw data (i.e. PS in this case since it's PS printer) - HP, Samsung |
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| 13:27.36 | jm_ | yes, I remember |
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| 13:28.23 | weissi | jm_, but thats a printing system, too. I think you can send more than one file at once, so it manages a printing queue, no? and how can you stop jobs? |
| 13:28.50 | jm_ | weissi: no, local printing system manages that |
| 13:29.06 | daMaestro | does sarge run LILO or Grub |
| 13:29.07 | daMaestro | ? |
| 13:29.23 | jm_ | GRUB by default, but it has both |
| 13:29.47 | disposable | how do i find out what other computers there are behind the same NAT as me? something like "net view" in windows. |
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| 13:30.06 | jm_ | do you have access to the gateway? |
| 13:30.10 | nvz_ | oh man I am so fucking tired, forgetaboutit |
| 13:30.12 | weissi | jm_: what? if you have a network with say 5 workstations a this printer, connected with a switch (6 distributed IPs). What happens if Workstation 1 and 2 send a file simultaneously directly to the printer? |
| 13:30.24 | petemc | disposable: nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 , replace the network as appropriate |
| 13:30.35 | disposable | petemc: thank you |
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| 13:30.56 | jm_ | weissi: nothing special, why do you think it's a problem? |
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| 13:31.20 | weissi | jm_, because if that works, the printer has to manage a queue |
| 13:32.03 | weissi | jm_, or is it marked as busy, when a workstation send a file? |
| 13:32.35 | jm_ | weissi: as long as it reads both into memory and then processes the job, I never bothered checking if it does that, plus it takes large jobs to observe it |
| 13:32.46 | jm_ | weissi: never checked |
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| 13:33.46 | jm_ | but it does make sense for it to have a queue - HP's interface is more advanced |
| 13:34.09 | daMaestro | jm_, does sarge support bus logic? |
| 13:34.13 | weissi | jm_, i'm _SURE_ it manages a queue (I have a more or less cheap printer, which does support direct raw PS over TCP/IP, too and it manages a queue.) |
| 13:34.26 | daMaestro | the woody installer does not seem to support buslogic (vmware drive) |
| 13:34.38 | jm_ | weissi: it depends on what you call "manage" - do you have access to it? can you control it manually? |
| 13:34.39 | parte | Hi |
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| 13:34.48 | parte | can anybody help me with asuka? |
| 13:34.53 | jm_ | daMaestro: it should with the right kernel |
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| 13:35.24 | weissi | jm_, it can remove a job(via webfrontend/cups), thats all I can manage manually. |
| 13:35.24 | wassha | good day guys, can someone answer me one noob question about debian-ubuntu distro..i am newbie and ive just found user nobody with directory /nonexitent what is it used for? |
| 13:35.26 | phil0u | Hello, is someone aware of a gcc issue with xine ? |
| 13:35.34 | daMaestro | jm_, yeah.. i have read the 'vanilla' kernel does.. I picked up debian iso1of7 (woody r6) and it does not have the vmware support I need |
| 13:35.49 | jm_ | weissi: well that's good enough then - I think HP can do that too, but not so sure about Samsung |
| 13:35.58 | cheal | phil0u: what do you mean? |
| 13:35.58 | dark`zzz | parte, asuka? is that evangelion girl?=p |
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| 13:36.06 | rohan | fooz: ping |
| 13:36.08 | rohan | are you here ? |
| 13:36.44 | parte | no :> |
| 13:36.49 | phil0u | cheal i'm having what seems to be a gcc issue when trying to compile xine-lib |
| 13:36.50 | rohan | :> |
| 13:36.52 | parte | the ircdeamon ircd |
| 13:36.59 | rohan | i switched a font |
| 13:37.00 | weissi | jm_, ok (mine is a brother and I know it from kyocera,too) |
| 13:37.06 | rohan | and now i cannot see the [ ] and < > in irssi |
| 13:37.08 | rohan | on a vt |
| 13:37.10 | cheal | phil0u: which issue? |
| 13:37.12 | phil0u | cheal googling seems to point to a gcc issue |
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| 13:37.19 | rohan | in konsole its seen |
| 13:38.04 | jm_ | weissi: when I said no, I meant it's not the same style of printing system as say CUPS or lprng, not that it doesn't have a queue |
| 13:38.11 | wassha | uncle google dont give me answer yet :)) so im trying fortune here |
| 13:38.27 | jm_ | weissi: it's probably comparable to what you see in DOS :) |
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| 13:38.42 | jm_ | or not, I don't think DOS had queue |
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| 13:38.57 | weissi | jm_, for me a queue is a printing system. |
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| 13:39.05 | jm_ | weissi: naah, printing system is way more |
| 13:39.11 | phil0u | cheal cheal http://pastebin.com/555896 |
| 13:39.24 | weissi | jm_, I think it CAN be more |
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| 13:40.02 | phil0u | cheal check this post as well : http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20060127.170125.ac78b81d.en.html |
| 13:40.25 | weissi | jm_, in DOS we had no such problems :-), because of the lack of multitasking *g* man, that was a shitty use of a computer :-) |
| 13:40.26 | phil0u | cheal i tried to use -02 instead of -03 to no avail |
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| 13:41.07 | wassha | nobody would help me? |
| 13:41.15 | jm_ | weissi: desqview was pretty cool, then again, things could easily go poo in it too |
| 13:41.25 | rohan | !kp mantra |
| 13:41.25 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 13:41.57 | Ronin | wassha: ubuntu? perhaps #ubuntu would be best for you to try |
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| 13:43.03 | rohan | wassha: what is the problem ? |
| 13:43.05 | weissi | jm_, desq :-) It was so cool at that time! |
| 13:44.19 | wassha | rohan: can someone answer me one noob question about debian-ubuntu distro..i am newbie and ive just found user nobody with directory /nonexitent what is it used for? |
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| 13:44.56 | stew | wassha: ask in #ubuntu, not here |
| 13:45.00 | rohan | wassha: it is used for ftp user. |
| 13:45.26 | rohan | wassha: it is made by most of the distros. |
| 13:46.00 | rohan | !c++ |
| 13:46.15 | Q9 | !list |
| 13:46.15 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to q9@is.a.fucktard.com |
| 13:46.21 | rohan | lol |
| 13:46.23 | Ronin | heh |
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| 13:47.07 | rohan | hmmm... dpkg is dead ? |
| 13:47.13 | rohan | he / she is not replying :P |
| 13:47.15 | weissi | !test |
| 13:47.22 | Ronin | rohan: may not know what your asking more likely |
| 13:47.23 | weissi | rohan: it *g* |
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| 13:47.39 | rohan | Ronin: no, i had retrieved that particular factoid earlier. |
| 13:47.51 | Ronin | then again it seems to be on a break doesnt it |
| 13:47.58 | dpkg | Yes, weissi, you're still online. |
| 13:48.03 | rohan | ah, finally |
| 13:48.09 | Ronin | slower then something |
| 13:48.11 | jm_ | patience ... |
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| 13:48.29 | [Bart]_ | :) |
| 13:48.31 | cheal | phil0u: this looks like a complex problem. if it's not in the BTS, use google |
| 13:48.35 | dusty- | Hey what are the steps to adding another hard drive, i have fdisk'ed it, now what? |
| 13:48.38 | rohan | jm_: dpkg is never so slow :S |
| 13:48.48 | petemc | dusty-: add a filesystem, mount it |
| 13:48.56 | petemc | create |
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| 13:49.26 | welliton | bom dia mais ou menos |
| 13:49.35 | wassha | rohan: thanks, i ve just want to be sure that its not "someone from outside" :) |
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| 13:49.56 | rohan | wassha: :) |
| 13:50.04 | welliton | Good morning |
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| 13:50.26 | falco_toadfoot | is it possible to install debian testing onto SATA-disks? |
| 13:50.35 | welliton | i nees tutor for slmodemd.2.9.10 for Mandriva 2006 |
| 13:50.45 | dusty- | eloise:~# mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1 |
| 13:50.46 | dusty- | mke2fs 1.39-WIP (31-Dec-2005) |
| 13:50.46 | dusty- | /dev/hdb1: Invalid argument passed to ext2 library while setting up superblock |
| 13:50.46 | falco_toadfoot | sarge installer doesn't detect sata-controller/disks |
| 13:50.47 | dusty- | petemc, ? |
| 13:50.48 | wassha | rohan: yep, hard life of newbie :D |
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| 13:50.49 | Ronin | welliton: then perhaps you should try @madriva |
| 13:50.55 | Ronin | even if i cant spell it |
| 13:51.12 | jm_ | falco_toadfoot: it does as long as it supports them |
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| 13:52.18 | phil0u | cheal i did googled but yet , found nothing useful |
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| 13:53.31 | thctlo2 | hi everyone, i have a question about postfix and cyrus, is possible to let local mail local ( not dropped in cyrus ) |
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| 13:53.54 | user__ | is there any way to add reiser4 support to hernel (even as module) without preparing custom kernel manualy? |
| 13:54.01 | weissi | what's up with dpkg? |
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| 13:54.02 | thctlo2 | i want local system users be droped in MBOX and other in cyrus |
| 13:54.04 | weissi | !gender |
| 13:54.04 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 13:54.08 | rohan | if pkg X and pkg Y have same name but different release, can they both be simultaneously installed ? |
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| 13:54.10 | user__ | !reiser4 |
| 13:54.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reiser4 is If you want Reiser4, why are you using debian? |
| 13:54.19 | petemc | rohan: depends on the package |
| 13:54.23 | rohan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:54.35 | rohan | petemc: custom kernel made using kernel-package |
| 13:54.37 | rohan | !fishing |
| 13:54.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, fishing is if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you try to teach a man to fish, you get called an elitist arrogant prick, because he already knew how to fish, and tried that first, of course... |
| 13:54.40 | weissi | rohan, ok, sorry :-) |
| 13:54.48 | cheal | phil0u: I'd ask #xine, or just use a mailing list |
| 13:54.50 | user__ | is there, or there isn't? |
| 13:54.51 | rohan | weissi: you can /msg dpkg foo |
| 13:54.58 | petemc | rohan: you can have as many kernels as you like, you can only run one at a time tho |
| 13:55.06 | weissi | rohan, it know, sorry... |
| 13:55.34 | thctlo2 | i want local system users be droped in MBOX and other in cyrus is this possible in postfix / cyrus combination.. |
| 13:55.37 | rohan | petemc: ofcourse you can run one at a time :S |
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| 13:56.44 | thctlo2 | is there nobody who knows this |
| 13:56.46 | thctlo2 | :-( |
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| 13:56.59 | rohan | thctlo2: what is the problem ? |
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| 13:57.07 | petemc | thctlo2: i know exim can do that, id imagine postfix could too |
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| 13:57.50 | daiane02 | oi bom dia |
| 13:57.58 | thctlo2 | ok cool, somebody knows how to set postfix for this ;-) |
| 13:58.04 | Ronin | you could try #postfix thctlo2 |
| 13:58.16 | thctlo2 | ok cool, i go check there |
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| 13:59.17 | Troebadoer | is upgrading from sarge (stable) to testing as easy as replacing all 'stable' with 'testing' in the sources list? |
| 13:59.26 | wassha | thanks all for help, especially rohan, see you soon and may the force be with you :D |
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| 13:59.42 | cheal | !tell Troebadoer about sarge->etch |
| 13:59.50 | Ronin | Troebadoer: assuming all goes well sure |
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| 14:00.05 | Troebadoer | thx |
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| 14:00.15 | Ronin | but read what dpkg is going to tell you |
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| 14:03.58 | falco_toadfoot | hm..where do I get old deb packages? |
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| 14:04.03 | falco_toadfoot | I want udev 0.079 |
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| 14:04.51 | cheal | !tell falco_toadfoot about snapshot |
| 14:04.55 | phil0u | cheal ok thx, ill check on #xine |
| 14:04.58 | phil0u | bye |
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| 14:09.11 | Wanderer | ok, nothing in the topic. Anyone know anything about 2.6.15 kernels not booting? |
| 14:09.47 | petemc | Wanderer: boots fine for me |
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| 14:09.57 | dempa | anybody in here who owns a Taxan Ergovision 2040? |
| 14:09.57 | cheal | Wanderer: probably. look at the BTS (or be specific) |
| 14:10.09 | nvz_ | Wanderer: could you be specific? |
| 14:10.18 | falco_toadfoot | thanks cheal! |
| 14:10.19 | falco_toadfoot | :) |
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| 14:10.54 | nvz | I swear it was __ this big yesturday ;) |
| 14:11.11 | Wanderer | nvz: kernels in unstable upgraded on 3 of my machines last night. One I rebooted and when it comes up it complains hda doesn't exist. It seems to be running off a ramdrive. There is a /proc/ide entry but /dev is empty. |
| 14:11.20 | Wanderer | My laptop just crashed and it's in the same condition |
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| 14:11.38 | SammyTheSnake | Can anyone help me with this query? How do I find out what package I need to install to get a particular file? |
| 14:11.42 | Wanderer | The first machine was fine (multiple reboots yesterday) before the kernel upgrade |
| 14:11.49 | nvz | Wanderer: did you upgrade the whole system last night on 3 machines or just the kernel? |
| 14:11.57 | Wanderer | dist-upgrade |
| 14:12.06 | Wanderer | no packages were held back |
| 14:12.07 | nvz | ah. |
| 14:12.09 | jm_ | SammyTheSnake: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:12.15 | weissi | Wanderer, I think this is a devfs/udev/plain dev issue, I think `apt-get install udev` will probably help |
| 14:12.22 | SammyTheSnake | Jm_: ta |
| 14:12.25 | Wanderer | a dist-upgrade is clean but didn't help. If I roll back to 2.6.13 it's fine |
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| 14:12.43 | nvz | Wanderer: what is the exact package name on that? |
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| 14:12.46 | rodrigo | hi |
| 14:12.46 | Wanderer | laptop already has udev (just verified) |
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| 14:12.53 | Overand | What app can I use to tag an MP3 file? |
| 14:12.58 | weissi | Wanderer, and it gets loaded on boot? |
| 14:13.03 | tyler | how do i check what type of image file it is if its readable by gv??? |
| 14:13.06 | ft | Overand: id3v2 |
| 14:13.06 | Overand | (command-line) |
| 14:13.15 | Overand | ft: thanks |
| 14:13.21 | Wanderer | nvz: linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 and linux-image-2.6-686 are both installed on the laptop |
| 14:13.22 | nvz | Wanderer: anything could have broken did you pay any attention to what upgraded? |
| 14:13.34 | rodrigo | how do I make my numlock to be on at startup? |
| 14:13.36 | weissi | tyler, file <filename> tells you the file type.. |
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| 14:13.39 | Wanderer | nvz: yes, and at the time it all went through clean (no errors) on any of the 3 machines |
| 14:13.49 | nvz | Wanderer: the former is the package the latter is a meta package I believe |
| 14:14.00 | Wanderer | but I hadn't upgraded in a bit so there were quite a few packages |
| 14:14.01 | nvz | Wanderer: clean doesnt mean anything :P |
| 14:14.02 | Wanderer | nvz: agree |
| 14:14.18 | Wanderer | yeah |
| 14:14.34 | nvz | Wanderer: anything that upgraded could have caused a problem well things related.. they were all in memory until you rebooted so nothing "changed" until then |
| 14:14.56 | Wanderer | I'm wondering if the initrd on the upgraded kernel is screwed up |
| 14:15.30 | nvz | Wanderer: if it was you would have a kernel panic long before ide drivers started spitting out errors |
| 14:15.37 | Wanderer | I guess I can try and find out the old one and back out |
| 14:15.57 | Overand | ft: that hit the spot, again, thanks. |
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| 14:16.01 | Wanderer | well, there was no panic or error other than what looked like a startup script complaining that it couldn't find hda |
| 14:16.11 | Wanderer | it dropped me into a busybox shell I could use to look around |
| 14:16.12 | nvz | Wanderer: could be udev problems or anything. you need to get more info now and in the future. |
| 14:16.39 | nvz | Wanderer: if you arent going to use stable dont just dive into new upgrades without knowing what it is and what has changed, and what bugs are out |
| 14:16.47 | Wanderer | nvz: problem is I'm at work and in order to get more info, I have no way of logging it |
| 14:17.13 | Wanderer | nvz: I didn't plan on rebooting the laptop. it crashed when I plugged in my usb device. The first machine is a "test" |
| 14:17.22 | Wanderer | the 3rd hasn't been rebooted yet and wont until the first is fine |
| 14:17.33 | nvz | wishful thinking |
| 14:17.40 | Wanderer | yeah, usually works, sometimes bites me |
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| 14:18.16 | nvz | if you really think its just the kernel, boot the old one |
| 14:18.24 | nvz | or chroot rescue |
| 14:18.43 | Wanderer | appears that linux-image-2.6.15-1-686_2.6.15-6_i386.deb is the borked one. |
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| 14:19.00 | Wanderer | rolling back to 2.6.14 (backup kernel) works fine |
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| 14:19.10 | Wanderer | let me roll back to linux-image-2.6.15-1-686_2.6.15-5_i386.deb |
| 14:19.13 | Wanderer | be right back |
| 14:19.17 | ahmed | sid isos dont contain 2.6 kernel ? |
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| 14:20.03 | nvz | Wanderer: its got like 9 outstanding bugs but everyone else seems to have no problems booting it |
| 14:20.40 | nvz | Wanderer: like I was saying you have to always remember where you are at. you are using unstable, you dont have to upgrade and use every new piece of code |
| 14:20.47 | Wanderer | yeah, I thought it might have just been screwed up by me but It trashed 2 separate systems (non-identicle) so I'm wondering what could do it |
| 14:20.55 | ahmed | do sid isos represent the 'unstable' isos ? |
| 14:21.04 | nvz | you need backups, you need to look ahead.. |
| 14:21.06 | Wanderer | I might be missing a mount point in fstab but a minor number change wouldn't make that stand out |
| 14:21.07 | streuner | ahmed: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 14:21.10 | SammyTheSnake | ahmed: sid is unstable, yes |
| 14:21.16 | Wanderer | I have backups or I wouldn't be online right now |
| 14:21.19 | nvz | A user could do that to you |
| 14:21.26 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:21.26 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 14:21.37 | tarzeau | ahmed: sid isos don't exist |
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| 14:21.44 | nvz | I always keep 3 kernels 2 usable and one I am testing |
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| 14:21.55 | x86- | hey |
| 14:22.10 | nvz | and rescue tools like boot media and static linked binaries |
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| 14:22.48 | nvz | x86-: yo momma said hey, and I said "hey what!" |
| 14:22.53 | Wanderer | nvz: I have 2, last known good, and current |
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| 14:23.06 | x86- | nvz , if i want any shit from u , ill squeeze your brains |
| 14:23.08 | nvz | then boot the old one and forget about it? |
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| 14:23.09 | x86- | ok ? |
| 14:23.15 | nvz | heh |
| 14:23.36 | Wanderer | nvz: that's how I'm online now but I have a driver bug with 2.6.14 or I would |
| 14:23.36 | nvz | I definatly dont want any more of that "i'll squeeze your brains" |
| 14:23.40 | x86- | for the moment i just need help related with the xchat client on windows . |
| 14:23.44 | x86- | who can help me ? |
| 14:23.46 | nvz | then ask |
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| 14:23.52 | nvz | quit with the BS :P |
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| 14:24.02 | x86- | i just did it |
| 14:24.06 | nvz | x86-: in #xchat that is |
| 14:24.11 | nvz | and no you didnt |
| 14:24.12 | x86- | they dont talk |
| 14:24.24 | nvz | well windows IRC clients arent on topic here |
| 14:24.43 | x86- | i thought u have a clue about QUOTE PRIVMSG |
| 14:24.45 | x86- | but its ok . |
| 14:24.50 | x86- | thank you for your time . |
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| 14:25.57 | nvz | Wanderer: I would roll my own in that situation from upstream sources |
| 14:26.04 | nvz | but thats just me |
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| 14:26.25 | nvz | I rather just have really (old) well supported hardware |
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| 14:27.13 | Wanderer | nvz: if I can't get the last 2.6.15 I'll likely do that. compiling on this laptop sucks |
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| 14:27.50 | abrotman | you can use make-kpkg to compile on another machine |
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| 14:28.36 | Wanderer | might have to try that |
| 14:28.40 | Wanderer | have a much faster one at home |
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| 14:28.54 | Zrin | on cmp /dev/cdrom /home/burn/data.iso I'm getting "cmp: EOF on /home/burn/data.iso" is this 'normal'? |
| 14:29.07 | displague | is there a debian equivalent to "rpm --checksig" to make sure installed binaries/libraries meet the md5 of the originals? i've trying to clean up a root-kitted box. |
| 14:29.26 | justletters | what is lncurses? i am trying to compile xterm. here's some debug: gcc -m32 -o resize -g -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -L/usr/X11R6/lib resize.o xstrings.o -lncurses /usr/bin/ld: cannot find lncurses |
| 14:29.28 | deeler | why does 'fdisk -l' not show a list of partitions in Debian ???? |
| 14:29.28 | jm_ | displague: no, md5sums might help though |
| 14:29.33 | nvz | Wanderer: then dont compile on the laptop |
| 14:29.59 | jm_ | displague: debsums that is |
| 14:30.19 | nvz | I always roll all my kernels on the fastest machine in a screen session with kernel-package and fakeroot |
| 14:30.21 | jm_ | justletters: /msg dpkg ncurses |
| 14:30.57 | nvz | distribute them through samba or ssh or something |
| 14:31.06 | nvz | apache if I have it running |
| 14:31.12 | stew | justletters: why are you trying to compile xterm? |
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| 14:31.38 | justletters | stew: recompiling it with ctrl+c ctrl+v support |
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| 14:32.08 | justletters | you know.. |
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| 14:32.46 | SerajewelKS | which binary package contains the KDE desktop |
| 14:32.51 | jfs | justletters: for what do you need that? |
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| 14:33.17 | SerajewelKS | as in the actual 'desktop' |
| 14:33.56 | amee2k | is there a (text based) program that shows bandwidth utilization in kb/s per network interface? |
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| 14:34.30 | jfs | amee2k: iftop |
| 14:34.30 | resiak | ntop ? |
| 14:34.33 | justletters | jfs. if I want to copy and paste to other things from xterm!! ofcourse. i need that. i am a needy maann. so .but i get more compile errors now |
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| 14:34.53 | jm_ | xterm supports that out of the box, use shit+insert |
| 14:34.55 | resiak | justletters: or you could mark and paste as nature intended |
| 14:34.58 | stew | justletters: run "apt-get build-dep xterm" then |
| 14:35.21 | displague | jm_: at one point both tar and md5sum were hacked.. I scped a copy of busybox to /tmp to give myself a working tar and used dpkg -x to get back a number of things (there was a good lot in /var/cache/apt). ofcourse, i had to debugfs most of the evil files. chkroot still tells me something may be compromised - but i'm not sure what, and it's not telling.. |
| 14:35.25 | amee2k | ty |
| 14:35.26 | jfs | justletters: you can do that without the windows shortcuts, just select text and press third mouse (or mouse 1+2 at the same moment if you simulate a 3 button mouse) to paste |
| 14:35.33 | resiak | displague: Blow the machine away? |
| 14:35.37 | SerajewelKS | ah, nevermind, my problem is already in the BTS |
| 14:35.42 | justletters | jm_ no not my xterm. but it works with gnome-terminal |
| 14:35.46 | resiak | /msg dpkg mark and paste |
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| 14:36.19 | jm_ | displague: boot from a CD or somesuch and compar ethings |
| 14:36.32 | justletters | hey what does build-dep do? |
| 14:36.37 | jm_ | justletters: WFM |
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| 14:36.58 | jfs | wfm? |
| 14:37.02 | jm_ | !wfm |
| 14:37.02 | dpkg | [wfm] Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual? |
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| 14:37.04 | stew | justletters: installs the packages required for building said package (if you had run that it would have install the ncurses libraries for you) |
| 14:37.52 | displague | resiak: most of the evil has been driven out. plus i don't like reinstalling when fixing is a possibility. |
| 14:37.57 | justletters | oh. handy :) |
| 14:38.39 | displague | resiak: i still have an uptime of above 1 - which is bothersome... a quickcam program is constantly probbing, so i am hoping that is all it is... |
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| 14:39.00 | resiak | displague: You'll probably miss something |
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| 14:39.11 | displague | jm_: it's a remote systems that belongs to a friend... |
| 14:39.24 | jm_ | displague: the only proper way to do it though |
| 14:39.24 | displague | resiak: i agree - that's why i'm looking for md5sums |
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| 14:39.39 | resiak | displague: You'll probably miss something, so why not just blow it away and restore the data? |
| 14:40.30 | abrotman | debsums ? |
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| 14:40.38 | bhasker | hi, i am running debian 3.1 and i have a question about the wireless indicator on my T42 |
| 14:40.44 | abrotman | so ask! |
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| 14:40.55 | dorel | is encfs regarded as a secure method? |
| 14:41.02 | abrotman | method of what? |
| 14:41.11 | bhasker | The wireless works fine and connects using WPA PSK but the wireless indicator doesnt glow. It does glow in XP |
| 14:41.23 | abrotman | bhasker: the little one below the LCD ? |
| 14:41.35 | bhasker | abrotman: yes |
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| 14:41.54 | abrotman | bhasker: afaik .. tha'ts a hardware function .. perhaps the driver doesn't know how to turn the light on(though the one on my G40 works) |
| 14:41.55 | dorel | i mean is it crackable/decryptable or can i relay on it for being a secure place to put my files? |
| 14:41.59 | displague | resiak: i like to think i can be thorough when needed.. at one point ps and top were hacked and i couldn't see the eggdrops - but that has since been resolved and i can atleast see that nothing bad is running actively as a process.. i'm still curious about remnant files, libraries, and kernel modules... |
| 14:42.12 | abrotman | dorel: given time .. everything is decryptable |
| 14:42.14 | deeler | why does 'fdisk -l' not show a list of partitions in Debian ???? |
| 14:42.17 | displague | abrotman: that's what jm_ recommended. i was looking for a rpm --checksigs alternative |
| 14:42.23 | abrotman | deeler: did you specify a device |
| 14:42.28 | abrotman | displague: debsums ? |
| 14:42.32 | abrotman | !info debsums sarge |
| 14:42.34 | jm_ | displague: I also said there's no similar thing in Debian |
| 14:42.42 | SerajewelKS | dorel: i use encfs daily |
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| 14:43.26 | bhasker | abrotman : does this have anything to do with the madwifi driver version ? i am uiing 0.9.4.12, is your version the same ? |
| 14:43.32 | SerajewelKS | dorel: everything is secure to some extent until a vulnerability is found. google encfs vulnerabilities |
| 14:43.37 | abrotman | bhasker: mine isn't madwifi .. mine is orinoco |
| 14:43.53 | abrotman | bhasker: though .. you may wish to ask #madwifi .. they may know .. |
| 14:44.11 | bhasker | abrotman: thanks i will try to post them a query |
| 14:44.21 | abrotman | bhasker: though .. IIRC .. they have a decent wiki also |
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| 14:44.55 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 14:44.55 | dpkg | que tal |
| 14:44.58 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:45.05 | bhasker | ok |
| 14:45.06 | deeler | abrotman, no, but in most other distros, it show all, even the devices that do not have a partition, i find it usefull to check on what drive a usbdrive is mapped ..... |
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| 14:45.21 | abrotman | deeler: fdisk -l /dev/hda ... etc |
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| 14:46.04 | dorel | abrotman: given time even RSA can be cracked, but this time is in numbers of billions of years. |
| 14:46.20 | abrotman | i doubt billions .. let LLNL have a crack at it :) |
| 14:46.40 | dorel | abrotman: so i'm talking in general, is it a secure method of encrypting files/fs? |
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| 14:46.50 | abrotman | dorel: SerajewelKS said he uses it every day |
| 14:47.02 | abrotman | afaik .. it's fine .. but he may know more |
| 14:47.07 | dorel | abrotman: RSA is literally uncrackable |
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| 14:47.16 | dorel | ahh thanks ill check with him maybe |
| 14:47.36 | abrotman | dorel: nothing is uncrackable |
| 14:47.36 | broomy | i get i "sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found" but i can hear sound, whats the problem? |
| 14:47.40 | displague | jm_: a number of packes don't have md5sums available.. like base-files, initscripts, and alot of really important ones (ed, sed, at, modutils, netbase, ...) |
| 14:47.53 | abrotman | dorel: except oracle! ... :) |
| 14:47.54 | Zrin | on cmp /dev/cdrom /home/burn/data.iso I'm getting "cmp: EOF on /home/burn/data.iso" is this 'normal', was the brun successfull?? |
| 14:48.05 | dorel | even with all of the processing power of computers in the world it would take a universe time to crack |
| 14:48.09 | dorel | lol, yeah and mysql :) |
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| 14:48.28 | abrotman | displague: http://pdo.debian.net/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=debsums |
| 14:48.31 | resiak | dorel: Do you have anything you could cite to back up that assertion? |
| 14:48.41 | dorel | ofcourse it's crackable. but it would take too long. when i say uncrackable i refer to it as taking too long that it would not be useful in 100 years from now. |
| 14:48.56 | bliss_ | hello all can someone ssh me if its working please |
| 14:48.57 | dorel | resiak: yeah, the encryption itself. you can read about it. |
| 14:49.09 | abrotman | dorel: that's not a valid assertion |
| 14:49.15 | abrotman | bliss_: you can try it |
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| 14:49.19 | dorel | resiak: im talking about rsa with public private keys as stated by the diffie hellman method |
| 14:49.27 | resiak | dorel: Like abrotman says, your assertion is (I'm fairly sure) false |
| 14:49.28 | dorel | sure it is |
| 14:49.32 | sparr | if you type into a textbox and a listbox appears ABOVE it, which entry would you expect to highlight by pressing the up arrow? |
| 14:49.33 | resiak | dorel: so you should back it up |
| 14:49.50 | abrotman | sparr: the top most one? the bottom most one? |
| 14:50.02 | dorel | i can back it up, question is if you know what is rsa. if you don't how it works then you should read it up. |
| 14:50.09 | displague | abrotman: i ran debsums -c and the output said that the packages listed above did not have md5sums available.. is that normal for those packages? i am apt-get --reinstall'ing them now (i may have overridden some of them with dpkg -x, but i don't think that would destroy any md5sum records) |
| 14:50.18 | resiak | dorel: Yes, I know what it is |
| 14:50.20 | sparr | abrotman: i was hoping for a more specific answer :) |
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| 14:50.56 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA |
| 14:51.10 | stew | dorel: RSA keys as large as 512 bits have been cracked, since you didnt' specify a key length when you made your claim, i claim that this invalidates your claim |
| 14:51.16 | abrotman | dorel: we're aware of what RSA is .. if you think that's unbreakable .. you're fooling yourself |
| 14:51.21 | bliss_ | for my own machine yes no problem but at work i have putty on windows and it times out |
| 14:51.25 | resiak | dorel: If you have a long enough key, then it... what stew says |
| 14:51.25 | dorel | lol |
| 14:51.31 | dorel | ofcourse it's all about the length of keys. |
| 14:51.37 | resiak | Right, we know that. |
| 14:51.49 | dorel | every cipher is measured that way except for quantum encryption |
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| 14:52.27 | dorel | so what im saying is that i can encrypt something with thousands of bits of key length and you'll never crack it within the next billion years |
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| 14:52.34 | dorel | that claim is ofcourse with the current technology. |
| 14:52.39 | abrotman | i beg to differ |
| 14:52.47 | stew | dorel: its not true that every cipher is as strong as its key length |
| 14:52.54 | broomy | can somebody help me with my problem i wrote earlier? |
| 14:52.55 | clojster | how can I change the look of TCL/Tk applications? (Is there some skin file like in GTK or QT?) |
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| 14:53.02 | sparr | stew: it is, given no further knowledge of the plaintext or key |
| 14:53.03 | dorel | then you need to check your facts abrotman. |
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| 14:53.09 | dorel | stew: not every, just some. |
| 14:53.10 | abrotman | they've fucked 512 .. 1024 is questionable .. timing attacks are there(though supposedly not useful anymore) .. if you think 2048 is some golden apple .. you're wrong |
| 14:53.27 | bliss_ | RSA rules ok 2048 bits is the best |
| 14:53.31 | cr3 | when I double click a url in redhat, it selects the whole url, when I do the same on debian, only what is between '/' is selected? what determines the string selected by a double click? |
| 14:53.40 | dorel | abrotman seriously, you should consult some more books |
| 14:53.41 | abrotman | cr3: in waht?! |
| 14:53.48 | jes-o-mat | may anybody take the time to explain mcast routing to me? |
| 14:53.49 | sparr | RSA-2^googolplex == uncrackable |
| 14:53.50 | SerajewelKS | when generating gpg keys i typically pick 4096 ;) |
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| 14:54.10 | bliss_ | IDEA |
| 14:54.17 | abrotman | dorel: i don't have to ... you need to think about logistics .. it's only a matter of time .. they used to think a 128 key was good enough |
| 14:54.24 | SerajewelKS | sparr: until computers get fast enough and support hardware bigints |
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| 14:54.50 | cr3 | abrotman: it could be any installation, it doesn't matter that it's another distro. |
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| 14:55.00 | abrotman | cr3: i meant what app :) |
| 14:55.07 | dorel | googleplex HEH |
| 14:55.15 | cr3 | abrotman: oh, I thought that was the beginning of a distro war :) |
| 14:55.18 | cr3 | abrotman: xterm |
| 14:55.28 | abrotman | oh .. click it three times? |
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| 14:55.40 | sparr | dorel: ever heard of moore's law? RSA with 65536 keys will be broken in a few decades, tops. it wont stop. |
| 14:55.56 | abrotman | sparr: LIAR! .. i burn your brains with stupid claims! |
| 14:55.58 | cr3 | abrotman: that does the whole line, but I just want the whole url or what is delimited by spaces. |
| 14:55.58 | sparr | 65536 bit |
| 14:56.10 | bliss_ | abortman what news is there of a 2048 IDEA key being cracked --only poor passwoed management |
| 14:56.11 | stew | sparr: not according to moore's law it wouldn't |
| 14:56.12 | dark`zzz | each 5 years the speed of processors doubles |
| 14:56.15 | cr3 | abrotman: instead, it seems that the delimiter is '/' and perhaps other characters. |
| 14:56.20 | abrotman | bliss_: i said it was a matter of time .. |
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| 14:56.26 | stew | dark`zzz: not according to moore's law |
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| 14:56.35 | cr3 | abrotman: I've tried to search google to solve this problem but the keywords I have tried don't seem specific enough. |
| 14:56.36 | abrotman | cr3: hrm .. i've never noticed .. perhaps check the BTS ? .. maybe it's an option |
| 14:56.41 | sparr | stew: moore's law, version 2.0 :) with acceleration |
| 14:56.43 | cr3 | abrotman: bts? |
| 14:56.45 | abrotman | !bts |
| 14:56.46 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 14:56.46 | dark`zzz | stew, what's morre's law say then? |
| 14:56.47 | bliss_ | time yes I agress about 20 years at least |
| 14:56.52 | stew | dark`zzz: 18 months |
| 14:56.54 | themp-afk | slackware is still the only real distro mang |
| 14:56.59 | abrotman | i say less than 20 years |
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| 14:57.00 | dark`zzz | sparr, hahahaha |
| 14:57.04 | dark`zzz | stew, o.o |
| 14:57.06 | dorel | sparr: i cant predict the user and neither can moore. im talking about the present. |
| 14:57.06 | themp-afk | splackintosh rocks |
| 14:57.12 | bbrazil | dark`zzz: that the density of transistors doubles every 18 months (roughly) |
| 14:57.17 | cr3 | abrotman: I'm sure it's a matter of configuration somewhere |
| 14:57.17 | abrotman | themp-afk: wtf are you on about? |
| 14:57.24 | dark`zzz | !!! o.o |
| 14:57.32 | dorel | sparr: besides, an uncrackable algorithm already exist only that we can't make use of it on a daily basis |
| 14:57.33 | themp-afk | what does wtf mean ? |
| 14:57.34 | abrotman | cr3: man xterm ? .. really .. i have no idea .. i never noticed .. |
| 14:57.39 | abrotman | !wtf |
| 14:57.40 | nvz | abrotman: he's on about your momma |
| 14:57.41 | tijn | what the fuck? |
| 14:57.41 | displague | abrotman : after upgrading to the unstable debsums and apt-get --reinstalling all of those packages the old debsums complained about i get nothing back from debsums -c other than some update-modules cache files |
| 14:57.42 | dark`zzz | but.. but.. there are a physical limit.. |
| 14:57.43 | sriram | hi - can anyone guide on installing debian on my machine |
| 14:57.43 | Ronin | abrotman: another day another troll? |
| 14:57.51 | sparr | moore's original 18 months, as generalized to cpu speed doubling, has been decreasing. you folks need to read up on the Singularity |
| 14:57.56 | sparr | dark`zzz: no, there isnt. :) |
| 14:57.57 | Ronin | sriram: dl, burn to cd, reboot |
| 14:58.00 | cr3 | abrotman: when you double click a path or a url, is the delimiter the space or '/'? |
| 14:58.04 | stew | sparr: if moores law claims that processor speeds double every 1.5 years, and a 512 key is crackable now, then a 65536 bit key would be crackable in (65536 - 512) * 1.5 years |
| 14:58.09 | abrotman | displague: are you using unstable ? |
| 14:58.09 | sparr | dark`zzz: theres a limit for any given method, but theres no limit to the number of new methods |
| 14:58.17 | dark`zzz | sparr, we are counting eletrons |
| 14:58.21 | dark`zzz | sparr, yeah |
| 14:58.29 | abrotman | nvz: good plan :) |
| 14:58.33 | bliss_ | IDEA has never been cracked ---we use it all the time |
| 14:58.36 | dark`zzz | moore spoke about transistors (according to bbrazil) |
| 14:58.44 | displague | abrotman: no - sarge |
| 14:58.44 | sparr | stew: uhm, no? log2(65536/512) * 1.5 years |
| 14:58.53 | dark`zzz | bbrazil, are you brazillian too? o/ |
| 14:59.00 | abrotman | displague: i'm not sure you can use the debsums from unstable on sarge and have valid results |
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| 14:59.29 | displague | abrotman: i had the latest sarge debsums and it wasn't happy.. but the --reinstall may have cleaned that up.. i'll revert to the sarge debsums and try again |
| 14:59.35 | abrotman | define .. wasn't happy |
| 14:59.46 | Wanderer | bah, dropping to -5 didn't fix the kernel, but I got an error message |
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| 15:00.00 | sparr | stew: about 10 years, by moore's law and the simple bits->time analogy |
| 15:00.01 | stew | sparr: oh, doh, you are correct, so 30 years |
| 15:00.04 | bbrazil | sparr: key space is exponential, 513 is twice as hard to crack as 512, hence stew was right |
| 15:00.08 | sriram | Remin -- i have coupls of question before proceeding on the same... |
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| 15:00.38 | stew | now i've confused even myself |
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| 15:00.44 | displague | abrotman: i don't see a reason why it would care.. one is marked 2.0.16_all and the other is 2.0.26_all - i don't think they are release aware |
| 15:00.45 | dorel | ahh im reading up on the IDEA algorithm... its modulus based, just like one-time password idea of public/private key |
| 15:00.53 | sparr | random question: has anyone here worked with ternary computing? especially ternary logic devices |
| 15:01.00 | themp-afk | quantem computers |
| 15:01.04 | abrotman | you assume 1.5 will stick .. perhaps quantum computing could screw the entire theorem |
| 15:01.11 | sparr | binary is a thing of the past :) |
| 15:01.20 | cr3 | abrotman: I found it! it's the charClass which is indeed an xterm configuration |
| 15:01.22 | abrotman | displague: better not to tempt fate :) |
| 15:01.27 | abrotman | cr3: yay! |
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| 15:01.33 | tut_ | Anyone know how to kill (without rebooting or taking down network interface) an smbmount that's become fubar and refuses to be unmounted with smbumount and umount -f? |
| 15:01.40 | themp-afk | binary is all there is in the universe |
| 15:01.41 | stew | abrotman: with quantum computing, the 1.5 value is likely to increase |
| 15:01.56 | bbrazil | tut_: reboot the other end of the connection? |
| 15:02.00 | abrotman | i'm not a quantum physicist .. |
| 15:02.06 | dorel | with quantum computing nothing will be uncrackable, BUT we're far from it :P |
| 15:02.17 | dorel | although quantum encryption has already prooved itself successful. |
| 15:02.18 | Wanderer | nvz: got something of an error message but couldn't find where it came from |
| 15:02.34 | tut_ | bbrazil: Well, that wouldn't be popular either, unfortunately. |
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| 15:02.36 | dorel | just not practical for our daily-basis usage. |
| 15:02.38 | displague | abrotman: so far the output looks the same... before the --reinstall i would have had a dozen packages complained about for lacking md5sums.. finished! same output as 2.0.26.. this system is a little more secure ;) |
| 15:02.39 | Wanderer | I think it may be in the initrd though but I don't have much experience with those |
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| 15:02.43 | sparr | themp-afk: why? base e is actually optimal for many sorts of math, and base 3 is closer than base 2 |
| 15:02.54 | Wanderer | got a sec to help enlighten? |
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| 15:03.01 | abrotman | displague: perhaps you sohuld paste the results somewhere? |
| 15:03.02 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:03.02 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 15:03.11 | stew | abrotman: s/with/without/ |
| 15:03.20 | Acridian | hi! |
| 15:03.22 | abrotman | stew: ? |
| 15:03.29 | stew | abrotman: in my last statement to you |
| 15:03.29 | abrotman | stew: oh |
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| 15:03.35 | abrotman | stew: i figured it out :) |
| 15:03.37 | sparr | themp-afk: balanced ternary gets rid of all the idiosyncrasies of binary when dealing with signed numbers |
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| 15:03.41 | grendal_prime | abrotman, you use an ids system at all? |
| 15:03.46 | Acridian | can i install debian without i have internet connection? |
| 15:03.56 | grendal_prime | stew you to? |
| 15:04.04 | sparr | Acridian: yes, just download the full cd (or multiple cds) version of the installer |
| 15:04.06 | azeem | Acridian: yes, from CD or DVD |
| 15:04.08 | abrotman | grendal_prime: IDS? intrusion? |
| 15:04.24 | grendal_prime | im looking at snort. with postgres as a backend ya... sorry intrusion detection system |
| 15:04.25 | abrotman | or order the CD/DVD set from a vendor |
| 15:04.27 | Acridian | do i need all 14 cd's? |
| 15:04.31 | sparr | no |
| 15:04.35 | sparr | you only need #1 |
| 15:04.37 | dark`zzz | bbrazil, you don't answered me :P |
| 15:04.41 | abrotman | Acridian: no .. but it might be a good idea |
| 15:04.42 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 15:04.42 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 15:04.45 | bbrazil | dark`zzz: /whois |
| 15:04.55 | sparr | they are somewhat sorted by package popularity |
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| 15:05.05 | sparr | 90% of people only need cd1 |
| 15:05.07 | Acridian | sparr: but when i last use only 2 cd's i didnt get any music players or anything... |
| 15:05.10 | sparr | 99% only need 1+2 |
| 15:05.21 | dark`zzz | bbrazil, .ie ? o.o |
| 15:05.22 | themp-afk | sparr e n still falls into the binary model it just scopes |
| 15:05.24 | sparr | thats quite odd, cd1 should have xmms on it i think? |
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| 15:05.39 | AlexMax2742 | hello friendly debian-type folks |
| 15:05.44 | Acridian | sparr: okey... |
| 15:05.45 | themp-afk | I wish speach would work on this ppc |
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| 15:05.56 | dark`zzz | AlexMax2742, hello |
| 15:05.57 | grendal_prime | we have these very rare incedents where the switches just lock up here. The router still works, but the switches on the inside are compleatly jamified. Im thinking i want to run an intrusion detection system to see if maybe its a trojan on the inside thats doing it |
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| 15:06.17 | Acridian | sparr: but it helps if i use many cd's`? i get more programs? |
| 15:06.17 | sparr | yeah |
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| 15:06.33 | AlexMax2742 | I just did a moronic thing and updated xorg on my testing box without checking to see why it was being held back |
| 15:06.35 | Acridian | okey... |
| 15:06.38 | sparr | Acridian: cd1 has xmms and kaboodle |
| 15:06.39 | Nosf3ratu | dpkg (the bot) doesn't seem to have any info on this ... how can you disable the annoying gam_server? |
| 15:06.45 | dorel | we're all talking about encryption but a much less expenssive and practical method is for the gov agencies to get an electronic device that captures and analyze radiation and now since each key press on the keyboard omits different radiation frequencies then our keystorkes of entering even a billion key length size can be easily captured :) |
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| 15:06.50 | sparr | Acridian: yes, you get more, but the last CDs have very rarely used programs |
| 15:06.59 | themp-afk | grendal try chkrootkit or judt lsattr ps login ifconfig netstat some general program a hacker would make immutable |
| 15:07.09 | dorel | and that sums it up |
| 15:07.12 | dorel | HEH |
| 15:07.16 | themp-afk | man this paralized hand is pissing me off |
| 15:07.16 | andybob | anyone know of a mailing list or irc channel for mdadm? |
| 15:07.23 | sparr | abrotman: is popcon used at all to determine cd contents? |
| 15:07.28 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:07.30 | abrotman | afaik |
| 15:07.37 | abrotman | !popcon |
| 15:07.37 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:07.43 | stew | dorel: do you type in your encryption keys when you use them? |
| 15:07.51 | AlexMax2742 | Anyone else upgrade their xorg in etch? I need a little help |
| 15:07.58 | resiak | Starting Hardware abstraction layer: /usr/sbin/hald: unrecognized option `--drop-privileges' |
| 15:07.59 | grendal_prime | themp-afk, how do you mean? |
| 15:07.59 | themp-afk | dorel yeah they can just monitor the cables |
| 15:08.01 | resiak | ECHAN |
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| 15:08.07 | dorel | dorel: you have to make use of them, so yes i do. |
| 15:08.18 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:08.22 | stew | dorel: i've never typed in an encryption key |
| 15:08.30 | dorel | themp-afk: no, cables are already encrypted :P |
| 15:08.42 | abrotman | this is retarded |
| 15:08.51 | dorel | stew: when you connect with your wifi laptop to a hot-spot you don't type in the wep key? |
| 15:09.01 | themp-afk | grendal apt-get install chkrootkit or you should have already run aide and save you data. |
| 15:09.02 | dorel | stew: or are you just all about copy&paste? :) |
| 15:09.18 | abrotman | haha .. WEP key |
| 15:09.20 | grendal_prime | currently i monito log files pretty regularly, we get those BF attacks every now and again..(which im thinking i could squelch with a properly configured iptables rule) but |
| 15:09.20 | stew | dorel: i don't use wep keys, and if i did, i wouldn't type it in, no |
| 15:09.21 | dorel | stew: bottom line is that the shared-secret has to be stored somehow, somewhere. |
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| 15:09.29 | andybob | anyone know if mdadm will work with a raid created using raidtools? |
| 15:09.39 | stew | dorel: do you type in your ssh keys? your gpg keys? i never have |
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| 15:10.17 | themp-afk | dorel they can watch the screen also encryption is a good model but If someone has access to your house.. work etc. not much you can do. If they can get around the machines |
| 15:10.17 | stew | dorel: of course they are stored somewhere but your last argument was talking about radiation from a keyboard, not storage |
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| 15:11.06 | dorel | stew: right. that's one method. |
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| 15:11.15 | themp-afk | dorel wep is mnot very good. you cant protect bandiwdth onn wifi very easilly. you can protect your data |
| 15:11.32 | dorel | i was just giving wep out as an example |
| 15:12.01 | grendal_prime | themp-afk, seems that someone who had compromized a system could just as easly rung apt delete chkrootkit |
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| 15:12.26 | dorel | but lets take the most obviouse example, when you ssh to your machine at home with your 16 string password length and expect noone to figure it out ever cause it'll take a life-time to brute force and its all well encrypted in ssh2. thats where i was going. |
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| 15:13.17 | Guerin | dorel: except I have a hardware keylogger installed on my computers |
| 15:13.27 | Guerin | dorel: now I own all your b0xen |
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| 15:13.28 | dorel | Guerin: :) |
| 15:13.37 | dorel | lol yeah |
| 15:13.43 | Guerin | and you don't realise because you yhink you're secure |
| 15:13.49 | stew | dorel: even if they get the password to my ssh key. they still have to get the ssh key itself |
| 15:13.50 | dorel | keep my p0rn please |
| 15:13.56 | themp-afk | grendal_prime okay your box may be compromised. either you test the binaries integrety or you put a box.. on the same lan segment dont give it ip's and run it in promisc mode and sniff your network packets and look for invalid connections |
| 15:14.04 | abrotman | billions of years! |
| 15:14.14 | Guerin | stew: but since it has to pass through my box, somehow, I have that too |
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| 15:14.21 | Guerin | stew: off your usb key or whatever |
| 15:14.24 | themp-afk | chkrootkit just does what you can already do manually. you can use recue modes to test your filesysystem for most hacks |
| 15:14.26 | fas3r | hi all |
| 15:14.37 | dorel | stew: a gun point to your head would do the job :P |
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| 15:15.00 | themp-afk | dorel that why my laptop doesn have letters on the keys |
| 15:15.02 | resiak | !info opie |
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| 15:15.09 | abrotman | resiak: open source OS for Zaurus |
| 15:15.13 | abrotman | !opie |
| 15:15.14 | dpkg | opie is probably wanted to be maintained by Espy. a PDA enviroment (usually Sharp Zaurus) |
| 15:15.14 | loca|host | hello |
| 15:15.16 | resiak | Handy |
| 15:15.21 | dorel | themp-afk: hehe, i've done that too :) |
| 15:15.24 | Guerin | resiak: one-time pad for ssh passwords |
| 15:15.28 | abrotman | uhm .. that should probably be changed ... |
| 15:15.41 | loca|host | anybody here can tell how to connect my debian to a windows2000 ISA Server VPN Server ? |
| 15:15.43 | Guerin | !opie is also a one-time pad for passwords |
| 15:15.43 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 15:15.46 | dorel | themp-afk: i've sprayed both of my desktop's keyboards black |
| 15:16.02 | themp-afk | dorel i wear tin foil hats |
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| 15:16.04 | themp-afk | :) |
| 15:16.17 | dorel | leet |
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| 15:16.21 | fas3r | i have a big probleme with apt-get dist-upgrade ... i have pastebin the error please help me ... |
| 15:16.24 | fas3r | http://pastebin.com/556018 |
| 15:16.28 | dorel | i'm implementing a nice tweak in my system |
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| 15:16.34 | themp-afk | i have to rest my hand i have a nightmare of code to port |
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| 15:16.46 | dorel | there's a password rotation for every login 'root' has made |
| 15:16.50 | stew | Guerin: my ssh key never passed through your box |
| 15:16.51 | loca|host | anybody here can tell how to connect my debian to a windows2000 ISA Server VPN Server ? |
| 15:17.02 | themp-afk | dorel init=/bin/bash |
| 15:17.02 | dorel | it's not bullet-proof but its a great layer of security for sniffing and keylogging. |
| 15:17.17 | themp-afk | well you would notice a reboot |
| 15:17.17 | abrotman | loca|host: please don't repeat .. and you probably want to read the docs for openswan or whatever it's called now |
| 15:17.24 | abrotman | !vpn |
| 15:17.24 | dpkg | hmm... vpn is see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/ |
| 15:17.25 | mortal | loca|host: I doubt it |
| 15:17.37 | abrotman | loca|host: but i wouldn't place bets on it working |
| 15:17.45 | themp-afk | dorel a few chrooted jail honey pots go along way. |
| 15:17.46 | resiak | fas3r: THat's Knoppix, not Debian |
| 15:17.59 | themp-afk | but then we are socially engineering information from eachother |
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| 15:18.02 | dorel | themp-afk: no, ill explain it to you. here's how it works- |
| 15:18.03 | rodrigo | hi |
| 15:18.05 | loca|host | ok |
| 15:18.09 | AlexMax2742 | dpkg one-liner |
| 15:18.15 | loca|host | sorry for repeats |
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| 15:18.17 | rodrigo | how do I close the X window system? |
| 15:18.28 | resiak | !tell rodrigo -about nodm |
| 15:18.29 | resiak | rodrigo: Why? |
| 15:18.37 | AlexMax2742 | rodrigo: depends on if you want to exit gracefully or kill it |
| 15:18.39 | disposable | rodrigo: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 15:18.45 | fas3r | resiak, if i add in source.list debian link and i make a dist-upgrade it migrate my knoppix in debian no ? |
| 15:18.48 | rodrigo | thanks disposable |
| 15:18.52 | disposable | rodrigo: or kdm or xdm |
| 15:18.54 | resiak | fas3r: No |
| 15:18.54 | rodrigo | resiak install nvidia drivers |
| 15:18.59 | Ronin | fas3r: best way is just to install debian for real |
| 15:18.59 | resiak | !tell rodrigo -about nvidia |
| 15:19.20 | dorel | themp-afk: for the first time you login as root with '1234' as the passwd, once you've logged in the system automatically generates a new random password and set the root password to that. |
| 15:19.21 | Guerin | stew: if you logged in from my box using it, it did |
| 15:19.26 | AlexMax2742 | !help |
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| 15:19.41 | nakeee | anyone knows where I can get debs of libdaap? |
| 15:19.42 | dorel | themp-afk: this prevents someone who sniffed you from logging in as well right after you or from someone who keylogged you to login just the same. |
| 15:19.54 | nakeee | or how to make the debian package of vlc work with daap? |
| 15:19.58 | dorel | themp-afk: the problem here is how does the system tell me about the new random key it chose for the password... |
| 15:19.59 | fas3r | Ronin, yes i know but i have burn 5 five debian cd (the netistall and other) but i have problem when it copy files from cd .... |
| 15:20.00 | rodrigo | !tell rodrigo about nvidia installer |
| 15:20.07 | resiak | !tell rodrigo -about msgdpkg |
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| 15:20.11 | themp-afk | dorel well that l;ike one time passwords |
| 15:20.22 | Guerin | themp-afk: there are only about a half-dozen files for which that is true |
| 15:20.23 | rodrigo | thanks resiak |
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| 15:20.29 | fas3r | but it's just with debian cd ... i have test with all other (mandrake, red hat, knoppix, ubuntu) all is good ... |
| 15:20.33 | themp-afk | dorel how does root get the next password for next. ? |
| 15:20.35 | Ronin | fas3r: what problems? tell us and we can likely help but as knoppix isnt debian we can't do much |
| 15:20.53 | Ronin | fas3r: did you check to make sure the images were good before burning? |
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| 15:20.55 | dorel | themp-afk: exactly. sharing the new password with the root owner is the problem so here's what i was thinking- |
| 15:21.00 | stew | Guerin: i logged in using the public key, not the private key |
| 15:21.06 | abrotman | and don't burn at more than 16x |
| 15:21.20 | fas3r | Ronin, yes ... |
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| 15:21.26 | dorel | themp-afk: i encrypt it with the public/private key even with a key length of as small as 128bits and email it over/sms/publish it on a webpage or whatever medium. |
| 15:21.29 | byteshack | I have a list of files (gotten with locate) and I'd like to grep for text only in that list... hint please? I know it's got xargs somewhere... |
| 15:21.42 | stew | Guerin: well thats not entirely accurate either, but a ssh login using a ssh key does not require sending the private key to the remote system |
| 15:21.51 | abrotman | cat <file> | xargs grep <blah> ? |
| 15:21.57 | dorel | themp-afk: the key here is that even if this key is crackable within 1 month i dont care because ill be logging in tomorrow morning again and the cracked password after a month will be useless :) |
| 15:21.57 | resiak | !uuoc |
| 15:21.57 | dpkg | from memory, uuoc is Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 15:22.00 | abrotman | if you're lucky .. though it doesn't seem right |
| 15:22.12 | abrotman | resiak: not really .. unless you konw a way to feed grep a list of files? |
| 15:22.17 | resiak | except it's xargs grep blah < file |
| 15:22.29 | stew | abrotman: xargs grep foo < cat file |
| 15:22.29 | abrotman | i guess that'll work :) |
| 15:22.31 | byteshack | locate foo | grep -v "backup" | xargs grep bar? |
| 15:22.35 | rodrigo | how do I make my numlock to be on at startup |
| 15:22.37 | abrotman | stew: you still used cat! |
| 15:23.00 | Guerin | stew: whatever you used to log in from my computer, I now own. So what prevents me doing what you did and logging in to your machine? |
| 15:23.05 | themp-afk | dorel there is an easier way. you have your dmz's all encrypted and encrypted disk shares etc. ? |
| 15:23.29 | dorel | themp-afk: i dont see why go there. im talking about one-time passwords |
| 15:23.30 | themp-afk | still there is timing |
| 15:23.37 | dorel | themp-afk: not encryption :P |
| 15:23.45 | dorel | themp-afk: what do you mean timing? |
| 15:23.46 | themp-afk | dorel then print a list and be done with it |
| 15:24.06 | dorel | themp-afk: you mean it would rotate some pre-defined passwords list? |
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| 15:24.19 | themp-afk | dorel how about one time pass phrases ? |
| 15:24.25 | dorel | themp-afk: nah... ill have to memorize the list, it's not very practical :) |
| 15:24.56 | Guerin | dorel: or you could carry either of a paper list, or a otp response generator |
| 15:25.09 | abrotman | dpkg: give Guerin a damn opie howto |
| 15:25.09 | dpkg | give Guerin a damn opie howto |
| 15:25.15 | Guerin | paper list being the sanest, since it'll be meaningless gibberish to anyone who sees it |
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| 15:25.40 | dorel | Guerin: no i think its better when its random and you're emailed/smsed about it. then it's up to you to decrypt the key. |
| 15:25.49 | themp-afk | dorel a perhaps you can make an algorythm in your head. like use some 12 tone stravinsky compositions and base your passwords on that |
| 15:26.20 | dorel | Guerin: i was thinking during the plan to write a small java decryption program for the 6680 symbian phones to make it practical to sms the encrypted password :) |
| 15:26.27 | themp-afk | you just need to know when to start and stop |
| 15:26.38 | dorel | themp-afk: :) |
| 15:26.45 | Guerin | dorel: email for security? haha |
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| 15:27.45 | dorel | Guerin: i was explaining just a few minutes ago to themp that in this case security is mostly required for the next 72 hours and i doubt anyone can crack any 128bit rsa within this time frame so yes, it's secure. |
| 15:27.46 | stew | Guerin: i logged in by proving i have the private key, you cannot log into another system becuase you cant prove you have the private key. Its not like if someone were to send you a gpg signed mail that you could then impersonate them, which is what you seem to be claiming |
| 15:27.59 | dorel | i think the most important thing you are missing is that security is a function of time. |
| 15:28.21 | themp-afk | have to stop typing sorry afk |
| 15:28.27 | dorel | the longer it takes to crack through any encryption is making it more secure. |
| 15:28.33 | dorel | later themp. |
| 15:28.45 | stew | Guerin: note i didn't log in by showing you i had the private key, just by proving i had it by encrypting something with it that you could decrypt with my public key |
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| 15:29.07 | bbrazil | dorel: the security of a non-one-time pad is a function of time. security in general is not a function of time |
| 15:29.25 | dorel | stew; yeah thats what the whole alice and bob story about |
| 15:29.46 | dorel | bbrazil: it is when we're talking about encryptions. |
| 15:29.57 | dorel | bbrazil: im not talking about firewall security dude :) |
| 15:30.03 | rodrigo | I should use unstable or testing driver? |
| 15:30.11 | resiak | Are you using unstable or testing? |
| 15:30.20 | bbrazil | dorel: then be more specific |
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| 15:30.33 | rodrigo | resiak, i don't know |
| 15:30.38 | resiak | ! |
| 15:30.43 | dorel | bbrazil: we're talking about encryption security for the last 30 minutes dude |
| 15:31.05 | resiak | rodrigo: does your /etc/apt/sources.list talk about sarge/stable, etch/testing, sid/unstable? |
| 15:31.40 | rodrigo | resiak, no |
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| 15:31.53 | Ronin | rodrigo: you are runnign debian? |
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| 15:32.02 | [Cadet] | ppc guys: I read in DWN where the latest kernels can be used along with the bcm drivers in unstable and the airport extreme works. Anybody know if this would also work on my eMac? |
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| 15:32.15 | resiak | [Cadet]: Try it and see? |
| 15:32.19 | resiak | !ppc |
| 15:32.19 | dpkg | well, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 15:32.22 | resiak | ^^ might know more |
| 15:32.28 | jaduncan | emac should work, yes |
| 15:32.30 | Bklyn | Has anyone here had inetd not running after the most recent update to netkit-inetd? |
| 15:32.32 | rodrigo | ronin yes |
| 15:32.48 | [Cadet] | resiak: Ya, I know there are quite a few guys that run ppc in here too |
| 15:32.50 | resiak | rodrigo: Pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:32.58 | Ronin | then you /etc/apt/sources.list has to mention one of the options resiak asked |
| 15:33.07 | resiak | [Cadet]: I know, but you might get help there if no-one here knows |
| 15:33.08 | LazloFruvous | is there a "debian way" to switch from python2.3 to python2.4 by default in sarge? /usr/bin/python is just a symlink, but usually debian has its own way of managing symlinks like that... |
| 15:33.18 | Ronin | unless of course you have just the cd listed |
| 15:33.23 | bbrazil | LazloFruvous: update-alternatives |
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| 15:33.40 | LazloFruvous | bbrazil: oh, figures... but i thought that only managed things in /etc/alternatives? |
| 15:33.54 | Mouse^G | what irc client sould i use for linux? |
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| 15:34.04 | rodrigo | resiak, http://pastebin.com/556043 |
| 15:34.09 | resiak | Mouse^G: irssi |
| 15:34.12 | Bklyn | Mouse^G: irssi here |
| 15:34.15 | bbrazil | LazloFruvous: hmm, yeah. the python symlink seems to be done differently. Check the docs I'd say |
| 15:34.27 | resiak | :-) |
| 15:34.33 | ft | Mouse^G: epic ircii irssi bitchx xchat - you name it |
| 15:34.42 | resiak | rodrigo: It mentions stable, then? |
| 15:34.54 | Ronin | resiak: yes it does, i just checked thier paste |
| 15:35.02 | resiak | rodrigo: Why did you say it didn't? |
| 15:35.07 | resiak | !tell rodrigo -about msg |
| 15:35.27 | resiak | rodrigo: You should use the version from stable then |
| 15:35.29 | Guerin | stew: that was the missing link in my brain. |
| 15:35.34 | resiak | egads, but, amd64... |
| 15:35.34 | Guerin | stew: cheers. |
| 15:35.40 | resiak | rodrigo: don't /msg me |
| 15:35.46 | rodrigo | ok |
| 15:35.48 | stew | Guerin: cheers |
| 15:35.48 | Mouse^G | ft: i asked for a good one not for the range of posible IRC channels ... google can tell me what excist but cant tell me whats good :) |
| 15:35.53 | Nosf3ratu | Is there a recommended procedure for disabling gamin (gam_server)? |
| 15:36.00 | Bklyn | Mouse^G: irssi |
| 15:36.02 | rodrigo | resiak, but the driver i'm downloading doesn't have a stable version |
| 15:36.07 | Ronin | Mouse^G: they're all good, it all depeneds on what you want |
| 15:36.07 | Nosf3ratu | I continually find it spiraling out of control and have to kill it. |
| 15:36.11 | rodrigo | then I should use unstable or testing? |
| 15:36.25 | resiak | rodrigo: Try the one from testing then. Where are you downloading it from? |
| 15:36.35 | zebalin7 | Need bit of help. I need latest flash. I have GPL flash 4.0 but it doesn't work well. There are several debian flash pkgs.: flashplugin-mozilla, flashplugin-nonfree, mo-flashplayer7. Which one do I want for FireFox in etch? |
| 15:36.59 | rodrigo | from those apt sources |
| 15:37.10 | resiak | rodrigo: 'k |
| 15:37.13 | Mouse^G | i want something simple not to advanced but still advanced enough so i dont have to do all the work my self .. and if posible available on apt-get in some wierd way |
| 15:37.16 | cockroach | zebalin7: -nonfree |
| 15:37.21 | graytron | Ronin: that's like saying that sex with me is always good. and you know it's not true |
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| 15:37.41 | zebalin7 | cockroach: tanks. Do I first have to UN-install the GPL flash libs? |
| 15:37.50 | Ronin | graytron: well we cant tell them whats a good one we all have different needs etc, good for you may not be good for them |
| 15:37.53 | cockroach | zebalin7: no idea - i would. |
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| 15:38.26 | LazloFruvous | bbrazil: nothing promising in /usr/share/python2.[34]/README.Debian... any other thoughts? |
| 15:38.33 | Ronin | Mouse^G: theyre all in apt,simple and no work by you? x-chat |
| 15:38.50 | LazloFruvous | is there a way to search debian lists short of using google with "site:lists.debian.org"? |
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| 15:39.16 | sandman_ | W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E |
| 15:39.29 | sandman_ | I completed teh instructions providedby the topic |
| 15:39.30 | resiak | sandman_: /topic |
| 15:39.31 | sandman_ | But it still fails |
| 15:39.36 | resiak | scratch that then |
| 15:39.47 | sandman_ | :) |
| 15:39.50 | ft | Mouse^G: they are all good, it's a matter of taste |
| 15:40.09 | Mouse^G | Ronin: im a windows person... maby why i have so much dificulty adapting to another OS, but im used to the program makes most of the trouble it self so i dont have to |
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| 15:40.54 | zebalin7 | cockroach: does nonfree actually install flash or is it just the installer (as it says in the descripton?) |
| 15:41.00 | graytron | you might as well say that they're all bad, it's a matter of taste |
| 15:41.14 | cockroach | zebalin7: it's just an installer which downloads & installs the tarball |
| 15:41.14 | Ronin | graytron: in a bad mood or something today? |
| 15:41.36 | graytron | Ronin: not really :) |
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| 15:41.40 | ft | graytron: yea, all software sucks :) |
| 15:41.47 | sandman_ | Isn't the 2006 key just supposed to come with newer versions of APT? |
| 15:41.52 | sandman_ | WHen I install the newer versions, that is? |
| 15:41.58 | zebalin7 | cockroach: ok, I can give it a try. What are the other mozilla flash packages for? |
| 15:42.03 | graytron | ft :) |
| 15:42.08 | weissi | !2006 key |
| 15:42.08 | dpkg | i guess 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 15:42.22 | cockroach | zebalin7: i have no idea :) |
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| 15:46.21 | tarzeau | hi cockroach |
| 15:46.27 | cockroach | tarzeau: hey! |
| 15:46.32 | tarzeau | cockroach: i've got a new game :) |
| 15:46.47 | cockroach | tarzeau: what kind of game? |
| 15:47.03 | fluxdude | does anybody know how to set up out-of-office replies in thunderbird? |
| 15:47.04 | tarzeau | cockroach: nibbles 2-6 players with more than 90° angle turns |
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| 15:47.11 | graytron | nibbler |
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| 15:47.22 | GutterPunk | A friend of mine has an onboard VGA card and an AGP one. When he uses the AGP card, his onboard card appears to be disabled. Is there a way he could fix this so he can use a dual screen setup? |
| 15:47.34 | cockroach | tarzeau: sounds like fun |
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| 15:48.27 | tarzeau | cockroach: it is: http://zatacka.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:48.33 | tarzeau | cockroach: it's in debian new queue... |
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| 15:49.07 | cockroach | tarzeau: okay, bookmark set. i'll try it later tonight |
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| 15:50.08 | coolpix | lo |
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| 15:51.10 | thingfish | GutterPunk: if it's possible, it would be done through the system's BIOS, I would imagine. |
| 15:51.22 | thingfish | and that's a BIG "if". |
| 15:51.32 | GutterPunk | hm that sucks |
| 15:52.24 | weissi | fluxdude: that hastn't to do anything with the MUA, it's a groupware-server setting (or is your computer running when you're out of office?) |
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| 15:52.51 | wily_ | hi all |
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| 15:53.07 | wily_ | i've a problem that seems to be a bug on cups |
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| 15:53.48 | tarzeau | wily_: checked BTS? |
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| 15:55.31 | wily_ | this is my problem: mpossibile do files'il /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 15:55.31 | wily_ | debian:/var/lib/dpkg/info# |
| 15:55.39 | wily_ | it is in italian |
| 15:55.51 | wily_ | Configuro cupsys (1.1.23-12) ... |
| 15:55.51 | wily_ | Adding group `lpadmin' (109)... |
| 15:55.52 | wily_ | groupadd: impossibile fare il lock del file dei gruppi |
| 15:55.52 | wily_ | addgroup: `/usr/sbin/groupadd -g 109 lpadmin' returned error code 10. Aborting. |
| 15:55.52 | wily_ | dpkg: errore processando cupsys (--configure): |
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| 15:55.52 | rodrigo | how do I disable rivafb suport? |
| 15:55.53 | azeem | wily_: export LANG=C |
| 15:56.04 | weissi | !tell wily_ about paste |
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| 15:56.51 | wily_ | sorry for pasting |
| 15:57.00 | wily_ | i don't know |
| 15:57.32 | wily_ | anyone can help me? |
| 15:57.39 | wily_ | i need cups! |
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| 15:58.35 | weissi | wily_: do `unset LANG` or `export LANG=C` and then reproduce the error(paste it to #flood or pastebin), not everybody understands italian here... |
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| 15:58.55 | x29a | \amethyst: hey there, remember me? |
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| 15:59.05 | stew | wily_: use fuser or lsof to see if some process has the /etc/group file open |
| 15:59.13 | wily_ | I translate |
| 15:59.50 | x29a | \amethyst: im running a linuxpda now....thanks again for your help, but i switched back to windowsmachine and using hyperterm it worked, invested the whole night, but its working great! |
| 16:00.07 | cappiz | hum... i did a : e2fsck -f /dev/mapper/itcrypt under a screen... now i cant detache it.. how can i see whats going on... and if e2fsck -f actually are doing something...? if a abort e2fsck -f , would my filesystem be broken then? |
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| 16:01.38 | beanz | Where can I read what versions of nfs sarge supports as client and as server? |
| 16:02.20 | blitznl | apt-get dist-upgrade broke my system, I can |
| 16:02.38 | cappiz | anyone? |
| 16:03.07 | grendal_prime | blitznl, use stable. |
| 16:03.22 | grendal_prime | cappiz, is the drive working? |
| 16:03.23 | stew | blitznl: be more specific |
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| 16:03.33 | cyzie | what is the command to reload the module ? |
| 16:03.36 | grendal_prime | i mean can you see a light blicking on the thing |
| 16:03.48 | danbur | Hello I'm on winXP nu but I want to install debian, the installer hangs at "identifying hardware" I think it's because I have a SATA harddrive, how do i install debian with SATA? |
| 16:03.50 | blitznl | it is X which is not able to start, but Xorg.0.log shows nothing, just stops.. |
| 16:03.55 | cappiz | grendal_prime what do you mean working ? |
| 16:03.57 | cappiz | i dont know |
| 16:04.10 | cappiz | cause... the servers isnt here... its located another place |
| 16:04.12 | wily_ | stew, with fuser how option can i use? |
| 16:04.20 | stew | wily_: fuser /etc/group |
| 16:04.22 | grendal_prime | well a chkd...oo |
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| 16:04.33 | wily_ | i've tried it |
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| 16:04.46 | stew | wily_: did it return a processID? |
| 16:04.46 | wily_ | is null |
| 16:04.50 | wily_ | no |
| 16:04.58 | danbur | Hello I'm on winXP nu but I want to install debian, the installer hangs at "identifying hardware" I think it's because I have a SATA harddrive, how do i install debian with SATA? |
| 16:05.15 | blitznl | danbur: PLEASE, don't repeat. |
| 16:05.19 | wily_ | it didn't |
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| 16:06.00 | jeanjean | danbur, do you got any error msg ? |
| 16:06.01 | stew | wily_: run "export LANG=C" (which will cause the error to come out in english) then repeat whatever you were trying and show us the error in a pastebin |
| 16:06.34 | grendal_prime | !dpkg sata |
| 16:06.34 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
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| 16:06.46 | danbur | jeanjean: no but the installer hangs at something like identifying harware, sd.something |
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| 16:07.40 | wily_ | stew, msg is in #flood |
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| 16:07.48 | jeanjean | danbur, you need the error msg before we can help |
| 16:07.54 | stew | wily_: i'm not in #flood |
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| 16:08.15 | beanz | What version of Debian supports nfs v4? |
| 16:08.25 | wily_ | please go! i can't paste here |
| 16:08.30 | danbur | jeanjean: but there's no error. but general, what to to to ge debian on SATA? |
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| 16:09.35 | abrotman | what controller? |
| 16:09.35 | wily_ | Reading package lists... Done |
| 16:09.35 | wily_ | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 16:09.35 | wily_ | cupsys is already the newest version. |
| 16:09.35 | wily_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 27 not upgraded. |
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| 16:09.49 | danbur | abrotman: nforce2? mabe silicon..? |
| 16:10.03 | abrotman | it helps to know .. did you try linux26 with the installer? |
| 16:10.25 | zebalin7 | Help. I installed the non-free flash thing to FireFox in etch and flash works but I get no sound at all from computer. No CDs, nothing. What got hosed? |
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| 16:10.42 | blitznl | is it possible to go back to "stable" ? |
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| 16:10.53 | danbur | abrotman: no, how do i install 2.6 originally |
| 16:10.55 | Ronin | blitznl: not without reinstlling |
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| 16:11.04 | abrotman | danbur: use linux26 at the prompt of the installer |
| 16:11.05 | abrotman | !ig |
| 16:11.05 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 16:11.07 | dorel | i cant run openoffice here, is there some other program that would let me edit .sxw or .odt? |
| 16:11.08 | blitznl | Ronin: ok, thnx |
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| 16:11.43 | Ronin | dorel: why cant you run oo? what happens when you try? |
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| 16:12.01 | [Bart] | dorel: you can open it with an archiver, the .sxw files |
| 16:12.06 | jair_11 | guys, I am having problems with an Thinkcentre brand new IBM that is running P4 with HT |
| 16:12.12 | zebalin7 | Help. No sound after flash install???? |
| 16:12.18 | dorel | i've got the 64bit installed :P |
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| 16:12.39 | dorel | there's no 64bit version of openoffice |
| 16:12.48 | abrotman | use a chroot |
| 16:13.00 | abrotman | zebalin7: mixer levels!!!! |
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| 16:13.01 | jair_11 | I try use the kernel 2.6.8-2-686 and also the 2.6.8-2-686-smp and I still having the same problem. |
| 16:13.10 | abrotman | zebalin7: or you may need the alsa-oss stuff |
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| 16:13.21 | zebalin7 | abrotman: look ok. should I re-run alsa conf? |
| 16:13.22 | abrotman | jair_11: define .. problems |
| 16:13.23 | [Bart] | jair_11 : and what is the problem? |
| 16:13.32 | abrotman | zebalin7: or look in alsamixer for a level that's not up |
| 16:13.44 | zebalin7 | All sound is gone. Just hosed. I |
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| 16:14.37 | jair_11 | "the problem" I have is the follow: when I turn on the machine the linux boot with not problem pretty fast and works well but after 45 minutes or one hour of being running the screen start blinking turn off and on and off and on every couple of seconds and all the processes gets very slow. |
| 16:14.44 | wily_ | stew, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1838 |
| 16:14.54 | wily_ | it is my 'english' message |
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| 16:15.12 | [Bart] | jair_11 : sounds like apm issue |
| 16:15.13 | jair_11 | abrotman, [Bart] the computer start getting very slow and sometimes it even hang. |
| 16:15.33 | [Bart] | jair_11 : is that a pc or a laptop? |
| 16:15.35 | wily_ | stew, do u have read it? |
| 16:15.37 | jair_11 | [Bart], I try disbling the HT but I still having the same thing. |
| 16:15.44 | abrotman | could be an IRQ issue? |
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| 16:15.51 | jair_11 | [Bart], this is a desktop |
| 16:15.55 | romulo | hi, theres any way to bind a keycode to a certain key? |
| 16:15.59 | thingfish | I wonder if that could be a heating issue. |
| 16:16.09 | gentgeen__ | romulo, yes. see xmodmap |
| 16:16.13 | romulo | oki |
| 16:16.18 | jair_11 | abrotman, [Bart] I been trying different things on the BIOs |
| 16:16.22 | wily_ | please, i've pasted my problem with cups here http://channels.debian.net/paste/1838 |
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| 16:16.30 | wily_ | please help me, i need cups!! |
| 16:16.31 | mejo | hello |
| 16:16.35 | Ronin | wily_: patience |
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| 16:16.40 | jair_11 | abrotman, [Bart] but I have not try yet installing a kernel from sid or etch |
| 16:16.40 | thingfish | jair_11: if you let it sit in BIOS, does the same thing still happen? |
| 16:16.40 | [Bart] | well it can be everything... do you see warnings in the syslog or kern.log? Did you try to disable some modules/programs? |
| 16:16.50 | wily_ | Ronin, ok |
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| 16:17.00 | mejo | how can i check the partition type of a partition? |
| 16:17.04 | thingfish | jair_11: have you checked cpu temperature? |
| 16:17.12 | cisse | mejo: cfdisk /dev/device |
| 16:17.16 | jair_11 | thingfish, I do not think so because the computer has been working for long time with Win^&&**Dows |
| 16:17.25 | jair_11 | and I really do not want windows on it |
| 16:17.44 | thingfish | jair_11: so the computer works flawlessly (well, for MS products) in windows? |
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| 16:17.54 | mejo | cisse: this works only with the disk as argument, but not with the paritition (i.e. /dev/hda1) as argument. |
| 16:17.58 | gentgeen__ | wily_, what is the permission settings on /etc/group |
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| 16:18.09 | jair_11 | thingfish, If is the temperature then means that will have a temp. problem with Linux because with windows was working always good. |
| 16:18.17 | jair_11 | thingfish, and I have it now as dual boot |
| 16:18.19 | [Bart] | jair_11 thingfish : to check if its a cpu temp. issue you can try to compile some heavy stuff... If it then crashes or is giving signal 11 errors...its a heating or cpu issue |
| 16:18.21 | tijn | Wily. well its says groupadd: unable to lock group file |
| 16:18.25 | cisse | mejo: yep |
| 16:18.35 | tijn | are you using that file |
| 16:18.36 | tijn | ? |
| 16:18.50 | mejo | cisse: but i need a way with the partition as argument. |
| 16:18.53 | thingfish | jair_11: well, if it's working fine in windows, at least you know it's likely not a hardware issue. |
| 16:18.56 | wily_ | root root |
| 16:19.03 | [Bart] | jair_11 : and which kernel is loaded? |
| 16:19.04 | wily_ | -rw-r--r-- |
| 16:19.10 | cisse | mejo: fdisk prob has a command line arg you can parse with grep |
| 16:19.13 | thingfish | or should I say hardware failure issue. |
| 16:19.22 | jair_11 | [Bart], I was noticing that the HD light is working at the first 45 minutes but after that I do not see respond when I send a command or try to run an application. |
| 16:19.35 | gentgeen__ | wily_, good, now are you using the file? Is it open aready somewhere? |
| 16:19.37 | jair_11 | [Bart], there is when the little blinks start |
| 16:19.52 | jair_11 | [Bart], I try use the kernel 2.6.8-2-686 and also the 2.6.8-2-686-smp and I still having the same problem. |
| 16:19.53 | wily_ | no |
| 16:20.17 | tijn | can u add a normal group? |
| 16:20.18 | wily_ | i do fuser /etc/group |
| 16:20.28 | jair_11 | [Bart], do you think I should use the smp + enable the other things on the kernel? for example----> |
| 16:20.31 | jair_11 | !ht |
| 16:20.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, ht is Haiti. HyperThreading, a technology from intel included in processors from the P4 3.05 GHz, that emulates two processors in a single cpu machine You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it. |
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| 16:20.51 | jair_11 | You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it. |
| 16:20.58 | wily_ | it is empty |
| 16:21.02 | tijn | ? |
| 16:21.03 | [Bart] | jair_11 : kernel is recent enough. Should be a problem. What I suggest you to do is start your pc in runlevel 2 or something... so dont start any X. And keep it running, and check if it hangs then |
| 16:21.07 | tijn | and /etcgroups |
| 16:21.09 | gentgeen__ | wily_, check your groups file, see if either lpadmin or ID# 109 is already in there |
| 16:21.13 | Kylixen | mmMmMMMm cpu lobotomy. |
| 16:21.14 | tijn | /etc/groups |
| 16:21.26 | zebalin7 | abrotman: I had to re-run alsaconf and all was fine. Linux and sound are just not up to the level in Mac and Windows. PITA!! |
| 16:21.33 | jair_11 | [Bart], ok and then if does not hang up? |
| 16:21.58 | stew | wily_: have you rebooted? |
| 16:22.06 | wily_ | yes |
| 16:22.07 | mejo | cisse: no, it doesn't have what i need. so maybe the correct question is: how do i get the disk, when i have the partition? |
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| 16:22.18 | wily_ | no i've not lpadmin group |
| 16:22.31 | gentgeen__ | wily_, what about id# 109 |
| 16:22.32 | [Bart] | jair_11 : if it doesnt hang up it`s not a kernel or hardware issue. Then you need to filter out the applications which can do this kind of stuff. (X11!) |
| 16:22.34 | cisse | mejo: uh like get /dev/hda from /dev/hda1 ? |
| 16:22.36 | abrotman | ok |
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| 16:22.41 | wily_ | i've not too |
| 16:22.41 | stew | wily_: you have some stale lock files in /etc, does "ls /etc/*lock" return any files? |
| 16:22.46 | azeem | mejo: libparted could do this, maybe? |
| 16:22.54 | tijn | wily_ can you add a group? |
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| 16:23.03 | jair_11 | [Bart], what I should do if does not hang up? I will need some of the tools from the kde, I can survive for some time usign vi to write documents and links to browse the web bitchx to talk here but later I will need couple of othyer things. |
| 16:23.03 | stew | wily_: like group.lock, or gshadow.lock? |
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| 16:23.38 | zebalin7 | abrotman: thanks for the help. Had a bit of panic there!! beep. |
| 16:23.39 | wily_ | /etc/group.lock and /etc/gshadow.lock |
| 16:23.40 | jair_11 | [Bart], do you know if the Xorg is available for debian? |
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| 16:23.47 | stew | wily_: delete them |
| 16:23.52 | abrotman | zebalin7: glad i could help .. BEEP!!!! |
| 16:23.54 | Ronin | jair_11: check the topic |
| 16:23.55 | [Bart] | jair_11 : just start with this first... keep it running a while without X...and then we can you if needed |
| 16:24.01 | wily_ | stew why? |
| 16:24.10 | jair_11 | [Bart], and you know what this desktop is a test machine very good, new, but I can install any linux I want |
| 16:24.20 | tijn | well those files tell programs the file is locked |
| 16:24.35 | [Bart] | jair_11 : What do you mean? |
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| 16:24.50 | gentgeen__ | wily_, the "lock" files are created when another app is using that file. Looks like the program that was using it did not "unlock" it |
| 16:24.50 | jair_11 | [Bart], that I can do all kind of test I want |
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| 16:25.06 | [Bart] | jair_11 : Perfect then :) |
| 16:25.32 | stew | wily_: becuase they are causing your problem. if you have rebooted then those files shouldn't be locked. so they must be stale. as long as those files exist you won't be able to use adduser/useradd/addgroup/groupadd |
| 16:25.37 | wily_ | ok |
| 16:25.39 | wily_ | great!! |
| 16:25.42 | Nigromante | Hello. I need help about debian testing & mozilla thunderbird and thunderbird locales |
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| 16:25.50 | wily_ | cups is on my system! |
| 16:25.59 | wily_ | thank you very much!!! |
| 16:25.59 | tijn | woehoe |
| 16:26.13 | saloxin | any easy way to check if a usb controller is 1.1 or 2.0? |
| 16:26.23 | pinkwerks | my sid laptop updgraded yesterday and i get some kind of 'can't find /dev/hda1' and drops me to ash shell - any quickfix on this? |
| 16:26.23 | tijn | usbview? |
| 16:26.25 | Shadowcat | Nigromante: why are you running testing? |
| 16:26.30 | Nigromante | has anyone successfully installed any mozilla-thunderbird-locale- package in debian testing ? |
| 16:26.44 | Shadowcat | pinkwerks: did you even bother to read the bug report for the kernel? |
| 16:26.49 | jair_11 | [Bart], I will do that but other thing I can try in the future will be sid. |
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| 16:27.05 | stew | saloxin: lsusb -v ; look for the bcdUSB lines |
| 16:27.13 | saloxin | tijn: heh true, but it only reports back from the kernel-module? maybe modprobing host modules is the nswer |
| 16:27.14 | jair_11 | [Bart], and If I have debian stable 3.1 and I want to use a etch or sid how could I do that? |
| 16:27.14 | pinkwerks | shadowcat, i've been googling all morning sorry if i missed that one |
| 16:27.16 | wily_ | thank you all!!!! |
| 16:27.27 | wily_ | i must print over 2000 pages |
| 16:27.36 | pinkwerks | shadowcat, and now you've given me a pointer thanks |
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| 16:27.53 | jair_11 | [Bart], I will leave it running x then and I will contact you later ;) thank you |
| 16:28.14 | saloxin | stew: thanks :-) 1.1 host controller and 2.0 disk |
| 16:28.18 | saloxin | tsk |
| 16:28.21 | FlopsyPete | when I try to install courier-authmysql on Sarge I get this "Starting Courier authdaemon: /usr/lib/courier/authlib/authdaemond: line 24: /etc/courier/authdaemonrc: No such file or directory". is it broken? |
| 16:29.04 | Shadowcat | heh that's funny |
| 16:29.15 | Shadowcat | stew: when I type that command I get a bunch of 1.10 lines |
| 16:29.22 | Shadowcat | but I know this system is a usb 2.0 system |
| 16:29.25 | wily_ | another little question |
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| 16:29.38 | SerajewelKS | FlopsyPete: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 16:29.49 | saloxin | Shadowcat: it seems to report both on usb bridge and devices |
| 16:29.54 | wily_ | when i try to launch any application by shell this is a error message |
| 16:29.58 | cyzie | how do we know the software we install (via apt-get) is from which source (which in sources.lst) ?? |
| 16:30.03 | stew | saloxin: see what Shadowcat says, i'm not sure that what i told you is correct |
| 16:30.19 | FlopsyPete | SerajewelKS: thanks |
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| 16:30.35 | wily_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1840 |
| 16:30.38 | Shadowcat | stew: I doubt it's correct when it reports 7 out of 8 usb ports running in 1.1 mode |
| 16:30.40 | Shadowcat | which they aren't |
| 16:30.41 | saloxin | forcing ehci-hcd and ohci-hcd had no effect, so i presume 1.1 |
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| 16:31.24 | stew | Shadowcat: it only shows 1.1 on mine for hubs which aren't actually in use |
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| 16:31.35 | Shadowcat | that's umm... stupid |
| 16:31.55 | debiankid | hello all |
| 16:31.58 | debiankid | riends how can i add and email alias to my server for example i have 20 users witn user@c.com and 23 with un@op.com how can i do that on postfix ? |
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| 16:32.14 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: cmd: confmiss (.*?) (.*?) is <reply> $1: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install $2 |
| 16:32.14 | dpkg | ...but cmd: is already something else... |
| 16:32.21 | stew | wily_: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 16:32.56 | pinkwerks | shadowcat, can you throw me another bone, is that kernel bugreport filed at debian bugs? |
| 16:33.13 | wily_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:35.01 | wily_ | stew i've try "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" |
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| 16:35.23 | wily_ | now msg is kppp: cannot connect to X server |
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| 16:36.01 | debiankid | riends how can i add and email alias to my server for example i have 20 users witn user@c.com and 23 with un@op.com how can i do that on postfix ? |
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| 16:36.25 | cisse | what do you want to alias ? |
| 16:36.50 | debiankid | cisse i have here two companys |
| 16:37.20 | debiankid | they are using diferents email address and i want to allow that users to use that email alias |
| 16:37.23 | kazkas | layer |
| 16:38.03 | debiankid | companys=gruops of users |
| 16:38.11 | cisse | ah so |
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| 16:38.19 | cisse | both email addresses get sent to the same inbox ? |
| 16:38.34 | FlopsyPete | apt-get with --fore-confmiss fails; how do I re-install courier-authmysql without it choking on this missign config file? aptitude remove fails |
| 16:38.42 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 16:38.43 | dpkg | i guess qotd147 is <alcros> sorry, I was trying to read the guidelines |
| 16:38.44 | wily_ | stew there are u? |
| 16:38.48 | debiankid | cisse i think it does |
| 16:38.53 | SerajewelKS | dpkg *really* doesn't want to accept new cmd: entries... |
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| 16:39.34 | debiankid | for example user pepe and kiti are on the same computer but pepe is using email pepe@cn.com but kiti is using kiti@kiti.com |
| 16:40.02 | debiankid | cisse do u copy? |
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| 16:40.57 | tuv | how can i disable powernowd without uninstalling it? |
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| 16:41.44 | mattt | hey guys, i've got a 3.1 box where some init scripts run fine and some don't ... i've checked and all the symlinks are established correctly ... any suggestions? |
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| 16:41.58 | mattt | rather, some scripts start fine on boot and some don't |
| 16:42.19 | cisse | do the scripts that don't start at boot start manually alright |
| 16:42.25 | cisse | debiankid: yeah |
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| 16:42.36 | mattt | cisse: yes, they start fine |
| 16:42.39 | Slack | hola |
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| 16:43.06 | cisse | debiankid: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html |
| 16:43.09 | sandman_ | Running what dpkg told me about 2006 key, it fails |
| 16:43.13 | FlopsyPete | everything I do to uninstall/install courier-authmysql chokes on the missing /etc/courier/authdaemonrc. what tools are available to fix this? |
| 16:43.27 | sandman_ | Tells me it needs a password |
| 16:43.52 | tuv | how can i disable powernowd without uninstalling it? |
| 16:43.58 | Guerin | !opie |
| 16:43.59 | dpkg | somebody said opie was wanted to be maintained by Espy. a PDA enviroment (usually Sharp Zaurus), or a one-time pad for passwords |
| 16:44.15 | azeem | tuv: see whether you can in a possibly existing /etc/default/powernowd |
| 16:44.27 | azeem | tuv: otherwise, remove the symlinks to it in /etc/rc?.d |
| 16:44.34 | tuv | azeem: that's where i first checked. doesn't work |
| 16:44.43 | Slack | i need enter to the canal debian-es |
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| 16:44.51 | azeem | tuv: doesn't work, or is not available? |
| 16:45.09 | Guerin | !opie =~ s#passwords#passwords - see http://www.linux.ie/lists/pipermail/ilug/2005-August/083130.html# |
| 16:45.09 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 16:45.13 | Ronin | Slack: /join #debian-es |
| 16:45.20 | Slack | okis |
| 16:45.22 | Slack | thanks |
| 16:45.27 | Guerin | !opie++ |
| 16:45.38 | tuv | azeem: /etc/init.d/powernowd doesn't read any enabled/disabled variable. /etc/default/powernowd is not there by default but i created one for some options |
| 16:45.52 | Guerin | easy to set up, works with no hassle for ssh, pam, and probably a swag of other things too |
| 16:45.57 | Guerin | i mean, anything which uses pam |
| 16:46.04 | azeem | tuv: well, it only makes sense to create one if the options are read/used in the init.d script |
| 16:46.21 | sandman_ | I can't get that command given to me from 2006 key ti work |
| 16:46.25 | sandman_ | From dpkg, that is. |
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| 16:47.03 | tuv | azeem: they were, and my /etc/default/powernowd is doing its job, but i couldn't find an enabled/disabled variable in /etc/init.d/powernowd, so i though i ask here |
| 16:47.09 | sandman | I ran it as root, even, and it _still_ doesn't work. |
| 16:47.25 | azeem | tuv: not every service provides that |
| 16:47.30 | azeem | see my other suggestion the |
| 16:47.31 | azeem | n |
| 16:47.41 | Guerin | sandman: you can edit the init script to check for a defaults file |
| 16:47.52 | FlopsyPete | what fixed it was: 'touch /etc/courier/authdaemonrc', 'aptitude remove courier-authmysql'. Is aptitude refusing to uninstall a package cos of a missing config file a bug? |
| 16:48.20 | Guerin | FlopsyPete: no. Config files shouldn't be missing, and even if they are, there's a switch to override |
| 16:48.31 | Guerin | FlopsyPete: dpkg --force-help |
| 16:48.54 | FlopsyPete | Guerrin: but the override switch I got pointed to here, --force-confmiss, choked ont he same problem of the missing file |
| 16:49.06 | Guerin | FlopsyPete: how did you call it? |
| 16:49.35 | FlopsyPete | Guerin: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install courier-authmysql |
| 16:49.53 | sandman | Guerin: The init script? |
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| 16:50.11 | Guerin | FlopsyPete: i'd just have used dpkg nakedly. |
| 16:50.16 | sandman | apt has an init script |
| 16:50.29 | Guerin | sandman: sorry, that was for tuv |
| 16:50.42 | S4nD3r | I connected Genius scanner USB, how to use this in my linux box ? |
| 16:50.44 | FlopsyPete | Guerin: the dpkg bot recommended the above |
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| 16:50.56 | Guerin | FlopsyPete: yeh, well, it should work. |
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| 16:51.42 | FlopsyPete | Guerin: I don't know how the config file disappeared anyway, it was done automatedly by aptitude I assume |
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| 16:52.40 | S4nD3r | Is possible ?? |
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| 16:53.26 | jair | [Bart], are you here? |
| 16:53.34 | john | Hey |
| 16:53.50 | jair | [Bart], I am trying to understand how to make the desktop boot in run level 1 or 3 |
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| 16:54.04 | tijn | ? |
| 16:54.07 | azeem | jair: level 1 or 3? |
| 16:54.11 | tapas | i wonder where /dev/parport* have gone |
| 16:54.16 | tapas | parport_pc is loaded |
| 16:54.18 | jair | [Bart], it says something like add "boot single" |
| 16:54.26 | jair | but where? |
| 16:54.29 | tapas | i found some mysterious /dev/.static/dev/par0 |
| 16:54.30 | azeem | "it"? |
| 16:54.33 | jair | azeem, yes |
| 16:54.42 | tapas | is that the device file MIA? |
| 16:54.46 | jair | azeem, I am trying to run the debian without x |
| 16:55.00 | sandman | If anyone would like to help me figure this out I'd definately appreciate it. |
| 16:55.00 | azeem | jair: so why do you not deinstall the display managerß |
| 16:55.02 | azeem | !nodm |
| 16:55.02 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 16:55.03 | jair | azeem, I mean how could I boot in different levels, 1,3, |
| 16:55.04 | tapas | what's the rarionale behind this change of device file names? |
| 16:55.07 | tapas | udev? |
| 16:55.18 | azeem | jair: you can tell lilo/grub which runlevel to boot I believe |
| 16:55.25 | azeem | jair: 1 is single-user mode though |
| 16:55.28 | jair | azeem, I do not think that is necessary at all |
| 16:55.35 | azeem | ? |
| 16:55.37 | jair | yes I know that |
| 16:55.41 | jair | I know the run levels |
| 16:55.46 | jair | but how how |
| 16:55.52 | jair | that is the question |
| 16:55.56 | azeem | how what? |
| 16:56.00 | cisse | tapas: it supports persistant naming, operates in user space |
| 16:56.03 | S4nD3r | xsane... |
| 16:56.05 | SerajewelKS | !tell jair about enter |
| 16:56.09 | frectie | i install mplayer and codecs all but mplayer-fonts?? Couldn`t find package pls |
| 16:56.11 | azeem | you want to boot to a certain runlevel without telling the boot manager? |
| 16:56.11 | tapas | cisse: what does_ |
| 16:56.13 | S4nD3r | I think this will work with my scanner |
| 16:56.19 | cisse | tapas: udev |
| 16:56.20 | tapas | cisse: ? udev? |
| 16:56.24 | cisse | yea |
| 16:56.26 | jair | azeem, how could I tell the grub loader to boot an specific run level? |
| 16:56.43 | tapas | cisse: aah, my question really was: is this /dev/.static/dev/par0 what was previously known as /dev/parport0? |
| 16:56.52 | tapas | actually my question was ill posed |
| 16:57.01 | cisse | hrm probably, not sure |
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| 16:57.04 | slashzul | hello |
| 16:57.06 | jair | [Bart], are you here? |
| 16:57.14 | SerajewelKS | jair: if you want it to boot in single-user mode just pass 'single' to the kernel |
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| 16:57.16 | tapas | so i should look into udev config files to find out i suppose |
| 16:57.28 | cisse | jair: put the runlevel after root=/dev/hdx2 |
| 16:57.30 | jair | abrotman, how can i switch from run levels? on the boot of debian if I am using grub??? |
| 16:57.41 | jair | cisse, nice thanks |
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| 16:57.48 | cisse | so simple you would never guess it |
| 16:57.54 | azeem | jair: pleas don't ask people individually, ask the channel |
| 16:58.09 | slashzul | is there a way to install debian without a cdrom and floppy via just files |
| 16:58.11 | slashzul | what do you download |
| 16:58.13 | sandman | I followed the instructions @ http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, and followed the instructions that I got when I asked dpkg about 2006 key. None of those actually fix it! |
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| 16:58.30 | slashzul | im running windows and I hate it |
| 16:58.37 | slashzul | wanna reinstall linux on it |
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| 16:58.56 | SerajewelKS | slashzul: you'll need at least one CD-R |
| 16:58.56 | tapas | /etc/udev/devfs.rules:KERNEL=="parport[0-9]*", NAME="parports/%n" |
| 16:58.57 | tapas | hmmm |
| 16:59.14 | SerajewelKS | slashzul: the netinstall CD image will install the rest of the system from the net |
| 16:59.53 | jair | azeem, SerajewelKS you should be more specific in your answers, instead tellig me other things, if you do not know do not confuse the newbies, like cisse he told me right away what is needed "Thank you cisse by the way" in the nine that ends on (root=/dev/hdx2) add "boot single" and boot ;) that is a good answer. |
| 16:59.55 | debiankid | cisse thanks\ |
| 17:00.08 | jcmasters | hi philipp__ |
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| 17:00.24 | cisse | debiankid: np, that wiki is super useful |
| 17:00.50 | jair | cisse, I am having a little problem with my debian thinkcentre brand new desktop. |
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| 17:00.55 | azeem | jair: maybe you should be more specific in your questions as well |
| 17:01.01 | jair | cisse, I can describe you the problem. |
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| 17:01.13 | debiankid | cisse ok now im out /time to break my brain :) |
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| 17:01.52 | cisse | lol |
| 17:01.58 | xfan | on my server when squid is running, the ping latency is hyper high (ping google.com 50000 ms), any suggestion ? |
| 17:01.58 | cisse | jair describe the problem |
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| 17:02.33 | kspath | xfan: assuming you are talking about the real ping that is NOT related to squid |
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| 17:03.01 | S4nD3r | Is there someone good in sane ???? |
| 17:03.17 | frectie | i install mplayer and codecs all but mplayer-fonts?? " Couldn`t find package" pls |
| 17:03.33 | slashzul | is there a way to install ubuntu with just files starting w/ a windows computer? |
| 17:03.33 | azeem | S4nD3r: one question mark is enough |
| 17:03.38 | TTimo | my 2.6 official kernel package doesn't boot on this sid box anymore. fortunately 2.4 still does. I end up at a busybox shell, kernel says /dev/hda1 doesn't exist ( and indeed /dev only has /dev/console and /dev/null ? ) |
| 17:03.39 | jair | cisse, when I boot the machine in Linux stable 3.1 kernel 2.6.8-2-686-smp the machine boots good, no problems running at all everything x11 and the other programs works good. But after one hour of using the machine, the screen start hanging out and turrning off and on every 5 minutes. |
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| 17:03.47 | S4nD3r | I will try to install first... |
| 17:03.48 | xfan | kspath : yes, the real ping |
| 17:03.51 | azeem | slashzul: you should ask #ubuntu |
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| 17:04.24 | kspath | xfan: use mtr and look at some other large sites near and far to see what might be going on. apt-get mtr-tiny |
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| 17:04.33 | jair | cisse, I tried installing the kernel 2.6.8-2-686 and boot and after the 45 minutes the problem happens again. |
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| 17:04.51 | junix|work | is backports.org working? |
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| 17:05.02 | azeem | junix|work: it should |
| 17:05.06 | azeem | junix|work: what is the problem? |
| 17:05.07 | jair | cisse, I disable the HT in the bios and try with the kernel 2.6.8-2-686 and I have the problem again after 50 min |
| 17:06.07 | cisse | jair: sounds like something is overheating, have you played with power management (what type of machine is this?) |
| 17:06.16 | kspath | xfan: there is also the X11 one apt-get install mtr mtr is a very very nice tool to have around. |
| 17:06.22 | jair | cisse, thinkcentre IBM |
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| 17:06.27 | sandman | Okay, I installed apt-key, and debian-archive-keyring. I ran apt-key update, also following instructions provided by dpkg about 2006 key, and followed many instructions on the web regarding this subject, including http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/. None of them work, the problem is still here. If anyone wants to help, I'm looking to fix this from appearing: W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The |
| 17:06.43 | kspath | jair: IBM? Is that India Business Machines now? |
| 17:06.55 | azeem | kspath: ? |
| 17:06.56 | junix|work | azeem: i need an OLD version of sendmail.... |
| 17:07.00 | jair | hey kspath how are you doing today? |
| 17:07.12 | cisse | jair: laptop ? |
| 17:07.16 | cisse | junix|work: oh god why ? |
| 17:07.21 | kspath | jair: oh terrible, I found out the boogie man is real. |
| 17:07.25 | junix|work | its for a SCO OPenserver setup |
| 17:07.29 | azeem | junix|work: backports is for new versions |
| 17:07.29 | jair | cisse, look I am trying to boot on a single user to see if leaving it like that does not give me the same error |
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| 17:07.37 | azeem | junix|work: try snapshot.debian.net for old versions |
| 17:07.41 | junix|work | oh yeah |
| 17:07.47 | jair | cisse, Thinkcentre = desktops |
| 17:07.51 | junix|work | azeem: its for a SCO Openserver setup |
| 17:07.56 | cisse | jair: ah k |
| 17:08.05 | azeem | junix|work: so? |
| 17:08.10 | elnovato | hi, im still having problems with IPV6, when i reboot sometimes, networks is disabled, sometimes works, seems needs to be conected to internet, using kernel 2.6.15 |
| 17:08.15 | kspath | !SCO |
| 17:08.15 | dpkg | i guess sco is Santa Cruz Operation, http://www.sco.com/, and also suing everyone over linux The SCO that's doing the suing is actually Caldera, renamed to SCO (The SCO Group). The original SCO (Santa Cruz Operation) went bankrupt years ago and became Tarantella. |
| 17:08.20 | jair | kspath, haha hey remember we were talking about the new network hardware technologies |
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| 17:08.34 | junix|work | kspath: thank you, but i knew all this information already |
| 17:08.37 | ryon | I have a problem I can't puzzle out. Partitions on my SATA hard drive aren't mounted by fstab, but if I "mount -a" after I've started up, they're mounted fine. |
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| 17:08.45 | tugrussel | any idea why this http://www.palbrattberg.com/index.php?p=67 does not start automatically on debian? |
| 17:08.50 | davidcsi | hi guys, when I boot my debian computer now i get GRUB Loading stage1.5. \n GRUB loading, please wait... \n Error 17 |
| 17:08.51 | davidcsi | <davidcsi> any ideas? I booted a rescue system with suse ans executed grub-install /dev/hda1 adn nothing |
| 17:08.51 | kspath | jair: Really? Like fiber fibre? |
| 17:08.53 | cisse | jair: does this only happen when x is running ? |
| 17:09.03 | jair | cisse, I did type "e" on the grub and then i add boot single on the line but it boots and shows me the gui again it does not suppouse to i think. |
| 17:09.06 | kspath | jair: Frame Relay from 1990's? |
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| 17:09.18 | TTimo | ryon: did you report bug #349489 ? |
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| 17:09.25 | jair | cisse, that is why i want to boot in single user |
| 17:09.32 | cisse | davidcsi: boot knoppix and run e2fsck on your drive |
| 17:09.40 | Blastur | hey! can anyone recommend software for debian so that my router can give priority to certain hosts? I have an IP phone connected behind my router, and it sometimes gets bad quality when im downloading, so I was thinking I could give priority to that IP, or MAC or whatever.. the router itself is a Debian box, running Sarge |
| 17:09.46 | cisse | jair: just boot regularly and kill X and see if it happens |
| 17:09.53 | jair | cisee, I haven't tested yet, but I add the info you told me about boot and looks like did not works. |
| 17:09.58 | sandman | netselect-apt versus apt-spy |
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| 17:10.07 | ryon | TTimo: Nope. Sounds similar to my problem though. |
| 17:10.16 | cisse | jair: seems people have similiar issues to you |
| 17:10.21 | davidcsi | knoppix? there is NO OTHER way? i mean, having to download knoppix... |
| 17:10.23 | TTimo | yeah. I may be getting something similar too |
| 17:10.29 | cisse | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/01/msg00346.html |
| 17:10.29 | TTimo | are you running an official kernel? |
| 17:10.47 | cisse | davidcsi: error 17 is can't find superblock i think, i ran into it the other day |
| 17:10.53 | kspath | !tell davidsci about knoppix |
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| 17:11.02 | ryon | TTimo: yeah, I'm still running bootfloppies or whatever it's called now. The one that came on my sarge cd. |
| 17:11.05 | jair | cisse, can you be more detallist about "kill x" what do you want me to do just " ctrl+alt+f1? |
| 17:11.06 | kspath | !tell davidcsi about knoppix |
| 17:11.11 | cisse | you should always have a knoppix cd around |
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| 17:11.29 | TTimo | amen |
| 17:11.45 | cisse | jair: uh ctl-alt-f1 then ps aux | grep X11 | awk '{ print $2 }' | xargs kill should work |
| 17:12.10 | elnovato | hi, im still having problems with IPV6, when i reboot sometimes, networks is disabled, sometimes works, seems needs to be conected to internet, using kernel 2.6.15, anyway to configure it? |
| 17:12.37 | jair | cisse, thank you for this but I would like to understand how can i boot in run level one which will boot without X11 as well right |
| 17:13.12 | SerajewelKS | jair: that's not the way to keep X from starting |
| 17:13.17 | junix|work | when i use 2.6.15 my system freezes after about 8 hours of use |
| 17:13.22 | SerajewelKS | jair: this ain't redhat |
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| 17:14.19 | cisse | jair: heh duno haven't played with runlevels in a long time |
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| 17:14.49 | jair | cisse, that is a very good answer see it is good to say "I do not know sometimes" |
| 17:14.50 | kspath | SerajewelKS: I agree it is mostly a redhat confusion but there were people using runlevels before linux existed. |
| 17:15.02 | cisse | =D |
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| 17:15.13 | jair | cisse, but some of this guys here do not want to say it because of their proud. |
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| 17:15.22 | cisse | sure sure |
| 17:15.24 | jair | cisse, i am reading about the run levels |
| 17:15.31 | cisse | ok |
| 17:15.51 | kspath | You know what is even better than saying I do not know? Reading. |
| 17:15.53 | elnovato | anyone using ipv6 ? |
| 17:16.25 | jair | cisse, I got it running on run level one already I will try to do this command ps aux | grep X11 | awk '{ print $2 }' | xargs kill should work to verify that it is not running |
| 17:16.41 | jair | kspath, tell that to azeem and SerajewelKS |
| 17:16.42 | cisse | jair: ps aux | grep X11 should verify x isn't running |
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| 17:16.49 | jair | right |
| 17:16.50 | cisse | the awk | xargs kill would stop X11 |
| 17:16.57 | jair | cisse, ok i will check that |
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| 17:17.11 | azeem | jair: huh? |
| 17:17.19 | cisse | jair: you could also unlink xdm or whatever is starting x at boot update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
| 17:17.22 | [Bart] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:18.59 | mentor | I say I say I say, My DBUS session daemon hasn't created a socket on the filesystem |
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| 17:20.05 | jair | cisse, x is definetely not running |
| 17:20.13 | jair | cisse, I am using run level (1) |
| 17:20.32 | zero-1 | im trying mono, what would you recomend me to go for unstable on sources.list or download the linux installer on go-mono.com? |
| 17:20.49 | legless_captain | try polio instead |
| 17:20.53 | keherman | how can I make all my prints double-sided with a remote HP LaserJet 8000? |
| 17:21.17 | legless_captain | flip the paper over afterwards |
| 17:21.20 | legless_captain | lol |
| 17:21.24 | jair | cisse, the eth0 is runnig so I will be installing bitchx and links to continue brwsing for info |
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| 17:21.35 | keherman | i tried Duplex=DeuplexNoTimble in /etc/cups/lpoptions |
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| 17:21.52 | [Bart] | again good luck jair :) |
| 17:22.01 | rss | Is AMD Mobile Sempron, a K7 or 686? |
| 17:22.14 | stew | rss: k7 |
| 17:22.30 | rss | stew: sure? |
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| 17:22.37 | jair | [Bart], I got it running in level 1 and I will be monitoring it, but what about if get hung again ?? what i should do though? |
| 17:22.42 | rss | stew: it is for a kernel... |
| 17:22.43 | stew | !k7 |
| 17:22.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 17:23.00 | stew | rss: yes, i'm sure |
| 17:23.01 | rss | stew: thanks :) |
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| 17:23.04 | [Bart] | jiar: If it then hangs, give me a copy of the kern.log and syslog |
| 17:23.14 | jair | cisse, what do you think I should do if I get the same problem again? or let say that the problem happends only when I run X11? |
| 17:23.38 | jair | I can actually get that now from the other problems before? |
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| 17:23.55 | legless_captain | if all else fails. |
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| 17:24.07 | cisse | jair: i would see if X is utilizing the cpu too much, maybe try a different xsever, upgrade to testing |
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| 17:24.19 | jair | legless_captain, I will actually play the rusian game with that bullet ;) |
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| 17:24.39 | jair | right that is what I was thinking. |
| 17:24.47 | i3dmaster | what is a udeb package? |
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| 17:24.55 | stew | !udeb |
| 17:24.55 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
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| 17:25.18 | jair | cisse, [Bart] my question is once I am running stable it is a whay I can install all the SID? |
| 17:25.35 | jair | cisee, or I have to resinstall all the debian again? |
| 17:25.44 | i3dmaster | stew, how to install? |
| 17:25.48 | cisse | jair: no way |
| 17:25.49 | [Bart] | jair: Just change your /etc/apt/sources.list and change it to SID |
| 17:25.54 | cisse | apt-get remove xserver-xorg |
| 17:25.54 | jair | [Bart], should I send you the current log as well. |
| 17:25.57 | stew | i3dmaster: you don't |
| 17:26.09 | cisse | oh jair missed your first q |
| 17:26.20 | cisse | change sources.list to have 'testing' or 'unstable' and upgrade xserver-xorg or xfree |
| 17:26.22 | i3dmaster | stew, I saw some packages that I like from the CD, and I want to get them installed. |
| 17:26.22 | [Bart] | jair: you can mail it to me: bart@schelstraete.org |
| 17:26.34 | stew | i3dmaster: like what? |
| 17:26.45 | jair | cisse, haha ok, so if I want to upgrade to sid I will not need to reinstall the whole debian again. |
| 17:26.52 | [Bart] | jair : Also send your /var/log/XFree* logfiles |
| 17:26.54 | stew | jair: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
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| 17:26.56 | Usiu | Hi |
| 17:27.05 | i3dmaster | stew, hw-detect which I thought always lock of that function |
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| 17:27.08 | cisse | jair: nope |
| 17:27.11 | [Bart] | jair: correct regarding the sid |
| 17:27.15 | Usiu | I am trying to install bootsplash but I have a problem with sysv-rc |
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| 17:27.24 | jair | [Bart], thank you very much, I am sure that this will help a lot of people including our family "Debian developers and users" :) |
| 17:27.29 | horza1 | what irc client do you all prefer? |
| 17:27.34 | stew | i3dmaster: install hotplug and discover packages |
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| 17:27.51 | Ronin | horza1: irssi, scrollz, bitchx, xchat, its a personal choice thing |
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| 17:28.28 | [Bart] | jair: np |
| 17:28.33 | horza1 | k, I'm using irssi, but I'm a tty1-6 person, not an X guy. |
| 17:28.44 | i3dmaster | stew, hotplug has been superceded in ubuntu.. I will try that discover package |
| 17:29.36 | Eulex | I have a faint memory that I once had tab-completion for packages in bash when apt-getting stuff. is my memory playing games with me or is this really true, and if so, how to get it back? |
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| 17:30.07 | jair | cisse, by the way I read the mailing list with the problem similar than mine ;) |
| 17:30.07 | azeem | Eulex: maybe you were using zsh |
| 17:30.09 | stew | i3dmaster: if you are running ubuntu you shouldn't be asking your questions here, but in #ubuntu |
| 17:30.29 | azeem | Eulex: dunno if that has that sort of tab-completion, but its tab-completion is far more complete than bash's I believe |
| 17:30.43 | azeem | Eulex: also, I think there is a seperate bash-completions package or so |
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| 17:30.56 | stew | Eulex: bash has such completions if you source /etc/bash_completion |
| 17:30.56 | i3dmaster | stew, I know but no one response there. |
| 17:31.09 | Eulex | azeem, hmm. this was back when I was a linux n00b, so I dunno |
| 17:31.13 | Eulex | stew, ah, ok |
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| 17:31.30 | stew | i3dmaster: you questions are still off-topic here, regardless |
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| 17:32.22 | azeem | i3dmaster: try asking again later/tomorrow, or use the support forums/mailing lists |
| 17:32.49 | jair | [Bart], if I am running in level 1 the openssh server is not running could I start it? |
| 17:32.52 | i3dmaster | stew, debian doesn't use udeb? |
| 17:33.13 | stew | i3dmaster: the debian-installer uses udeb's yes |
| 17:33.17 | jair | [Bart], like that I can use putty and paste all the results easier and faster? /etc/init.d/ ssh start? |
| 17:33.26 | rss | i3dmaster: you have misunderstood the whole thing |
| 17:33.39 | rss | i3dmaster: udeb is not ubuntu's deb |
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| 17:33.45 | i3dmaster | rss, don't think so. |
| 17:33.52 | Eulex | stew, hmm, worked well, but it's extremely slow |
| 17:34.12 | jair | [Bart], never mind I got it, it works! ;) |
| 17:34.13 | thingfish | !udeb |
| 17:34.13 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 17:34.14 | stew | Eulex: switch to zsh :) |
| 17:34.15 | i3dmaster | rss, understand. since they are all using the same tech, why I can't ask here if ubuntu has no one knowing. |
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| 17:34.35 | Ronin | because we're not ubuntu and ubuntu isn't debian |
| 17:34.42 | stew | i3dmaster: becuase this isn't a ubuntu channel, ubuntu questions are off-topic here by channel policy |
| 17:35.06 | rss | i3dmaster: there is lot of difference between .deb used in Debian and Ubuntu |
| 17:35.12 | Eulex | stew, I'll look into it when I get more time for it. right now I'm flooded with exams. |
| 17:35.19 | i3dmaster | stew, understand. just trying to see if anyone here knows udeb since its NOT a ubuntu thing... |
| 17:35.38 | azeem | i3dmaster: you cannot install udebs, period |
| 17:35.39 | stew | i3dmaster: yes, we have told you twice what a udeb is |
| 17:35.47 | kspath | Eulex: zsh is very cool/nice/interesting/powerful. |
| 17:35.53 | azeem | i3dmaster: anything else you will have to discuss with #ubuntu |
| 17:35.53 | rss | i3dmaster: It is recommended for your own safety that you don't install ubuntu's debs on Debian and vice versa |
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| 17:36.02 | i3dmaster | stew, while I've got it from your previous answer and thanks |
| 17:36.41 | malex | Is there someone here running Sarge on a PowerPC who could test a package for me to check for a bug fix? |
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| 17:37.27 | jair | [Bart], I have access now I can get all the logs |
| 17:37.34 | jair | [Bart], can i pm you? |
| 17:37.43 | jair | or paste them on pastebin.com? |
| 17:38.33 | rss | Do LCD monitors have different horizontal sync and vertical refresh rates like CRT ones? |
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| 17:39.00 | kspath | rss: no |
| 17:39.10 | Condector | hummm, a amd64 port |
| 17:39.21 | Condector | i have a problem with this port |
| 17:39.21 | rss | kspath: thank goodness! |
| 17:39.21 | Condector | hehehe |
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| 17:39.34 | i3dmaster | rss, yes I got that. I thought it should be a common question for udeb... |
| 17:39.41 | i3dmaster | rss, and thanks. |
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| 17:40.11 | azeem | i3dmaster: we answered your questions about udebs, haven't we? |
| 17:40.24 | azeem | I am not sure why you are still talking about it |
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| 17:40.34 | jair | cisse, it is a way that I can copy and paste a .txt file from the system debian usinf the command shell. I think is something like /var/log/XFree86.log> /home/user/? |
| 17:40.47 | dieguito | hello guys, excuse my ignorance but... where is the super key? |
| 17:40.49 | rss | azeem: come on... leave that matter alone |
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| 17:41.23 | i3dmaster | azeem, yes indeed |
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| 17:41.41 | Condector | dieguito i do no |
| 17:41.46 | kspath | rss: research LCD displays and CRT displays Cathode Ray beams excite the phosphor and that emites light |
| 17:42.08 | kspath | well beam is too strong a word perhaps |
| 17:42.39 | horza1 | jair, are you just trying to copy the file? |
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| 17:43.09 | cisse | jair: cp ? |
| 17:43.12 | rss | What should be the touchpad found in hp compaq laptops be configured as? |
| 17:43.12 | jair | horza1, yes sir ;) |
| 17:43.23 | Eulex | !laptop |
| 17:43.23 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 17:43.27 | horza1 | ya, cp is what you need |
| 17:43.31 | cisse | rss: google your model and linux someone should have a setup guide |
| 17:43.31 | Eulex | rss, ^^ |
| 17:43.32 | i3dmaster | azeem, sorry I am curious.. Can it be extracted? |
| 17:43.33 | jair | cisse, not but is a way using that > |
| 17:43.38 | m4lu6 | Anybody know what stable uses for generating initrds? |
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| 17:43.49 | cisse | jair: cat file > newfile |
| 17:43.50 | horza1 | cat /filename > /home/wherever/filename |
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| 17:44.05 | horza1 | great minds think alike :-D |
| 17:44.10 | jair | horza1, what that one will do? |
| 17:44.11 | cisse | lol |
| 17:44.29 | horza1 | that prints out the file to stdout and then redirects stdout to a file |
| 17:44.30 | rss | cisse: unfortunately, the one I am trying to configure, is very rare |
| 17:44.39 | kspath | rss: very likely to emulate some existant tech is there an auto-detect? |
| 17:44.52 | SerajewelKS | horza1: or maybe it's just the fact that there's really only one basic way to copy a file with > |
| 17:45.07 | rss | kspath: /dev/input/mice |
| 17:45.17 | jair | cisse, and horza1 thank you that is what I was talking about ;) |
| 17:45.32 | horza1 | jair, be normal and just use cp |
| 17:45.35 | jair | cisse, and horza1 I know that was slightly different than the cp |
| 17:45.47 | jair | ok |
| 17:45.49 | SerajewelKS | jair: it's not really different at all |
| 17:45.55 | horza1 | what are you trying to do that you're doing that? |
| 17:46.04 | Eulex | rss, what model? a friend of mine happens to have an extremely rare hp laptop. so rare that you could not find any info whatsoever about linux on it. |
| 17:46.10 | horza1 | SerajewelKS: cat file > file won't work on binary files all the time |
| 17:46.18 | horza1 | as in, not ascii that is |
| 17:46.19 | SerajewelKS | horza1: yes it will |
| 17:46.23 | rss | Eulex: HP Compaq nx6115 |
| 17:46.26 | i3dmaster | rss, do you know? Can udeb be extracted? |
| 17:46.28 | horza1 | control characters can mess it up |
| 17:46.39 | horza1 | like ctrl-c can foul up cat very easily |
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| 17:46.58 | jair | horza1, it is ok, I will do more research about their differences later ;) |
| 17:47.13 | horza1 | if it's a text file, you won't have any problems |
| 17:47.16 | rss | i3dmaster: I guess so, I am not aware of it |
| 17:47.21 | horza1 | just don't do that to an executable |
| 17:47.31 | horza1 | or /dev/urandom XD |
| 17:47.31 | elnovato | !tell me about udev\ |
| 17:47.35 | elnovato | !tell me about udev |
| 17:47.35 | rss | i3dmaster: ask others here |
| 17:47.55 | i3dmaster | rss, k. thanks |
| 17:47.58 | SerajewelKS | horza1: no |
| 17:47.59 | jair | horza1, thanks |
| 17:48.06 | horza1 | hmm? |
| 17:48.17 | SerajewelKS | horza1: CTRL+C delivers SIGINT, it doesn't send a character |
| 17:48.21 | Koffa | redirected cat doesn't give a rats ass about ^C :) |
| 17:48.32 | rss | isn't deb a ar compressed file? |
| 17:48.44 | jair | horza1, i mean thank you for your help |
| 17:48.44 | SerajewelKS | horza1: 'cat a > b' and 'cp a b' will do *exactly* the same thing, regardless of whether 'a' contains binary data or not |
| 17:49.12 | horza1 | could have sworn I fouled up a file doing cat a > b somehow... |
| 17:49.16 | i3dmaster | rss, ya believe so |
| 17:49.28 | SerajewelKS | horza1: not possible |
| 17:49.37 | horza1 | I must be mistaken then |
| 17:49.39 | rss | udeb must also be extractable like a deb |
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| 17:49.49 | i3dmaster | rss, trying |
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| 17:49.59 | Eulex | rss, hmm, sorry, I think his was some kind of zx. |
| 17:50.01 | horza1 | touche |
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| 17:50.06 | dieguito | ~/wc |
| 17:50.11 | Eulex | i3dmaster, ar x filename |
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| 17:50.29 | horza1 | md5sum on a win32exe remains the same, I stand corrected and bow to your superior knowledge |
| 17:50.47 | i3dmaster | Eulex, rss, you got it. |
| 17:50.50 | elnovato | \ |
| 17:51.08 | i3dmaster | i3dmaster, ar x file.udeb can extract it just like other deb packages. |
| 17:51.08 | elnovato | !tell me about how to destroy ipv6 |
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| 17:51.10 | jair | horza1, have you ever use sysstat? |
| 17:51.27 | jair | cisse, [Bart] have you ever use "sysstat"? |
| 17:51.35 | kspath | horza1: if you cat some odd data to stdout and that is your terminal you can BORK your terminal |
| 17:51.37 | rss | i3dmaster: :D self-enlightenment? |
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| 17:51.42 | horza1 | sysstat... don't recall. |
| 17:51.53 | horza1 | oh ya, I've done that kspath |
| 17:51.56 | horza1 | hehe |
| 17:51.57 | kspath | horza1: stty sane ^J can help with that mistake |
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| 17:52.20 | Eulex | or just use reset |
| 17:52.22 | horza1 | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/tty1 XD |
| 17:52.37 | i3dmaster | rss, ya. its interesting to learn |
| 17:52.38 | SerajewelKS | horza1: cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp |
| 17:52.49 | horza1 | ROFL |
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| 17:52.56 | jair | horza1, you mean does not works? |
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| 17:53.09 | SerajewelKS | i've actually used /dev/random to shred hard drives before RMAing them.. dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hda |
| 17:53.09 | horza1 | I |
| 17:53.10 | basix | hi people. anybody have experience configuring kannel? (http://kannel.org). I have the thing up and running but I have some complicated issues related to its configuration. |
| 17:53.13 | FlimFlamMan | is there a web-based replacement for MS-Project that works well on sarge? |
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| 17:53.23 | horza1 | I'ver never used sysstat |
| 17:53.50 | UziMaster | help! proftpd slow on connect |
| 17:53.53 | horza1 | pretty good idea SerajewelKS |
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| 17:53.57 | SerajewelKS | /dev/random eventually runs out of entropy and requires system input (mouse/keyboard/network activity, etc) before outputting more bytes, right? |
| 17:54.17 | horza1 | UziMaster, Help! need relevant information! like anything! |
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| 17:54.25 | Eulex | yeah. use /dev/urandom for unlimited noise :) |
| 17:54.28 | horza1 | SerajewelKS: not sure |
| 17:54.38 | cisse | SerajewelKS: as i recall |
| 17:54.39 | elnovato | how to delete permanently from my kernel 2.6.15 , ipv6 ?? |
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| 17:54.51 | Eulex | elnovato, why? |
| 17:54.53 | horza1 | elnovato: recompile? |
| 17:54.58 | SerajewelKS | Eulex: i thought /dev/urandom was supposed to be a higher-quality source |
| 17:54.59 | horza1 | and what Eulex |
| 17:55.01 | horza1 | said |
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| 17:55.10 | Eulex | SerajewelKS, no, it's the other way around |
| 17:55.27 | SerajewelKS | Eulex: interesting |
| 17:55.29 | UziMaster | horza1: when i ftping to my debian, after giving password, it stop for a while, as long as 15s before listing the content |
| 17:55.33 | horza1 | so urandom is less random, but /dev/random requires activity to be random? |
| 17:55.34 | kspath | SerajewelKS: If an HD is fried for RMAing how did you use that technique? |
| 17:55.36 | cisse | SerajewelKS: urandom = unblocked random |
| 17:55.42 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: does mr project have a web component? |
| 17:55.43 | cisse | it never blocks while waiting for entropy |
| 17:55.59 | SerajewelKS | kspath: fried as in "making metal grinding sounds" and some sectors in the middle of the disk were borked |
| 17:56.01 | elnovato | recompile?? ownn, im using kernel image |
| 17:56.04 | horza1 | UziMaster: is this an installation that you've just installed |
| 17:56.04 | FlimFlamMan | abrotman, not sure, will check |
| 17:56.05 | De_Mon | ~src |
| 17:56.09 | De_Mon | ??src |
| 17:56.15 | SerajewelKS | kspath: so i shreded the data on the rest of the disk |
| 17:56.16 | UziMaster | Yes, brandnew proftpd |
| 17:56.17 | De_Mon | ?? source |
| 17:56.20 | SerajewelKS | shredded* |
| 17:56.23 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: http://developer.imendio.com/wiki/Planner |
| 17:56.33 | Ronin | De_Mon: what are looking for? |
| 17:56.38 | SerajewelKS | Eulex: hrm... /dev/random is rw-rw-rw- while /dev/urandom is r--r--r-- |
| 17:56.41 | horza1 | elnovato: why are you trying to remove ipv6? |
| 17:56.44 | UziMaster | I just uncomment the anonymous part in the conf file and restart proftpd |
| 17:56.44 | FlimFlamMan | abrotman, thanks |
| 17:57.06 | horza1 | /dev/urandom == opposite of blackhole |
| 17:57.22 | SerajewelKS | horza1: /dev/zero too |
| 17:57.23 | elnovato | horza1: im still having problems with IPV6, when i reboot sometimes, networks is disabled, ifconfig shows a diferent ip than interfaces file, sometimes works, seems needs to be conected to internet, using kernel 2.6.15, anyway to configure it? |
| 17:57.28 | UziMaster | horza1: any idea? |
| 17:57.55 | Eulex | SerajewelKS, hmm... why would you write to /dev/random? |
| 17:57.59 | horza1 | UziMaster: did you just install debian? or did you add proftpd to it? |
| 17:58.10 | SerajewelKS | Eulex: i don't know.. is it 666 on your box too? |
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| 17:58.14 | Eulex | SerajewelKS, ah, to give it generate entropy :) |
| 17:58.16 | SerajewelKS | Eulex: i certainly haven't chmodded it |
| 17:58.21 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: i don't know if it does what you want though .. but there are many web based prject management projects |
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| 17:58.27 | UziMaster | horza1: i added proftpd to my debian box |
| 17:58.31 | Eulex | SerajewelKS, 666 here too. |
| 17:58.32 | SerajewelKS | Eulex: oh... that's an unprivileged operation? |
| 17:58.39 | sm | morning all |
| 17:58.41 | horza1 | elnovato: not sure, I've not had alot of XP with ipv6 |
| 17:58.44 | iostream | Hi.. Is there anyway to compile a "custom" kernel like a debian kernel, with all drivers as modules? |
| 17:58.45 | elnovato | Eulex: im in the same box, but with the old kernel, 2,4 and the network is working fine\ |
| 17:58.46 | Eulex | SerajewelKS, I don't know, it was just a guess. |
| 17:58.48 | SerajewelKS | Eulex: you could theoretically poison the entropy pool as non-root |
| 17:59.03 | sm | how do I list installed package versions and see the *complete* version, unlike dpkg -l ? |
| 17:59.07 | SerajewelKS | brb restroom |
| 17:59.07 | sm | this drives me crazy! |
| 17:59.10 | horza1 | UziMaster: how are you running proftpd? |
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| 17:59.19 | UziMaster | horza1: standalone |
| 17:59.25 | horza1 | hmm... |
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| 17:59.38 | UziMaster | horza1: is that a problem? |
| 17:59.38 | horza1 | my first instinct would be to switch that |
| 17:59.39 | stew | UziMaster: its probably slow becuase of either reverse dns or ident checks, both of which you can disable |
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| 17:59.50 | horza1 | not a problem, but that'd be the first thing I'd try |
| 18:00.04 | UziMaster | stew: how do i disable them? |
| 18:00.05 | supaman | hi, is there any way I can find the contents of old CLIPBOARD values? |
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| 18:00.10 | elnovato | what is this message, "watchdog tiemout" ?? |
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| 18:00.20 | stew | UziMaster: iirc its in the faq at proftpd.org |
| 18:00.25 | horza1 | UziMaster: stew is probably right, I didn't think about it |
| 18:00.41 | Eulex | SerajewelKS, that's true. was just a guess, as I said. but assuming that the kernel code for getting entropy from the user is good enough, it will 'extract' the little entropy it gets from very repetitive operations. and I'll add a big disclaimer here, as I have no idea how /dev/random actually works :) |
| 18:00.41 | UziMaster | horza1: i heard standalone'd be better than running in inetd |
| 18:00.56 | Flexy | I'm having trouble with getting postfix (2.1.5-9 debian stable) redirecting bounced mails according to Errors-To header... apache (with user www-data) sends mail according to php pages and bounced mails comes www-data@domain and it is a bit annoying, cause there are several sites served by apache and there fore I cannot redirect www-data to one user... |
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| 18:01.32 | UziMaster | stew: how do i disable reversed dns and ident check |
| 18:01.38 | horza1 | UziMaster: I've never really used any ftpd's alot, I just use sftp most of the time, so I'm not used to the intricacies |
| 18:01.41 | horza1 | (sp) |
| 18:01.43 | stew | UziMaster: those settings are also likely to be documented in /usr/share/doc/proftpd or man proftpd.conf |
| 18:01.49 | stew | UziMaster: did you check the faq? |
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| 18:02.16 | UziMaster | stew: i read a little, didn't see that |
| 18:02.33 | stew | UziMaster: http://www.proftpd.org/docs/faq/linked/faq-ch4.html#AEN341 |
| 18:02.41 | Flexy | How can I get the php set From: and Errors-To: to real use, so that bouncing messages goes to either of them and not to www-data? |
| 18:02.43 | stew | sigh |
| 18:02.49 | horza1 | is there anyway to interact with eth0 like i do w/ /dev/dsp? |
| 18:03.14 | UziMaster | stew: sigh? :D |
| 18:03.32 | stew | UziMaster: it was right there in the FAQ like i said, but you were too lazy to actually go look like i recommended |
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| 18:03.49 | elnovato | curse you ipv6 curse you |
| 18:04.01 | bananafl2 | what version of grub comes with the debian testing version? |
| 18:04.05 | horza1 | hmm |
| 18:04.10 | De_Mon | I want to get the source to a package I have installed, do I have to add an apt-src line to sources.list? |
| 18:04.12 | DevilChaos | 0.85 |
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| 18:04.16 | DevilChaos | 95 |
| 18:04.20 | stew | bananafl2: http://pdo.debian.net/grub |
| 18:04.21 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
| 18:04.42 | UziMaster | UseReverseDNS off |
| 18:04.43 | UziMaster | IdentLookups off |
| 18:04.49 | UziMaster | shit |
| 18:04.53 | bananafl2 | cuz it can't read my ntfs partitions, thus i cant boot windows anymore |
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| 18:05.08 | DevilChaos | yeah bill gates loses again |
| 18:05.10 | UziMaster | stew: god, i'm so new to this ftpd thing |
| 18:05.12 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 18:05.20 | UziMaster | stew: dont know where to look, man |
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| 18:05.22 | stew | bananafl2: grub shoudln't need to be able to read an ntfs partition in order to boot to it |
| 18:05.34 | UziMaster | stew: thank u, it worked :D |
| 18:05.42 | bananafl2 | well i have a partition at hd0,1 but grub wont fint it |
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| 18:05.51 | horza1 | UziMaster: why are you using ftp instead of sftp? |
| 18:05.53 | bananafl2 | it also does not find my ntfs at hd1,0 |
| 18:06.12 | DevilChaos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:06.17 | UziMaster | horza1: what's sftp? |
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| 18:06.29 | bananafl2 | i have done that |
| 18:06.35 | horza1 | ssh version of ftp. (actually secure) |
| 18:06.35 | cisse | UziMaster: ftp over a secure channel |
| 18:07.00 | horza1 | are you trying to transfer files from a win32 box? |
| 18:07.08 | UziMaster | horza1: yes |
| 18:07.12 | bananafl2 | it found my FAT partition withrecovery, and the NTFS with windoze is right after it, so it must be hd0,1 but that doesnt exits o.0 |
| 18:07.23 | horza1 | use psftp from the putty suite |
| 18:07.30 | horza1 | or if you prefer |
| 18:07.44 | horza1 | lemme get link |
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| 18:08.25 | UziMaster | horza1: ok, pls show me |
| 18:08.37 | horza1 | UziMaster: use this client on windows for ease of use http://ftp.ssh.com/pub/ssh/SSHSecureShellClient-3.2.9.exe |
| 18:08.39 | Estes | Does debian stop to distribute non-free ? |
| 18:08.49 | tarzeau | Estes: it never did, on cd |
| 18:08.51 | Estes | I think i heard about something like this but... |
| 18:09.06 | tarzeau | Estes: it never distributed it, it's just there, and people take it, not much people though |
| 18:09.08 | UziMaster | horza1: oh shit, i recalled that putty thing |
| 18:09.11 | tarzeau | !popcon |
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| 18:09.12 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:09.13 | UziMaster | horza1: used them actually |
| 18:09.15 | sandman | Which is better, netselect-apt or apt-spy? |
| 18:09.18 | tarzeau | there's some stuff about that on popcon |
| 18:09.21 | sandman | It appears that netselect-apt is quite a bit quicker. |
| 18:09.24 | horza1 | putty is good if you're *nix head |
| 18:09.24 | bananafl2 | well, anyway: can i update grub?? |
| 18:09.28 | tarzeau | sandman: the nearest official mirror |
| 18:09.30 | Estes | tarzeau, i mean on repository |
| 18:09.36 | horza1 | the ssh.com client is good for windows heads |
| 18:09.39 | tarzeau | Estes: there's #debian-nonfree |
| 18:09.42 | UziMaster | horza1: but the GUI is bad, command-line only so it's a little hard to work with |
| 18:09.52 | horza1 | go download this http://ftp.ssh.com/pub/ssh/SSHSecureShellClient-3.2.9.exe |
| 18:09.54 | tarzeau | Estes: it would be good if we can replace the nonfree stuff with free software |
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| 18:10.04 | bananafl2 | can i update grub? |
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| 18:10.09 | tarzeau | Estes: what stuff do you need that's non-free? |
| 18:10.13 | tarzeau | bananafl2: yeah why not? |
| 18:10.21 | horza1 | try that out, it isn't putty, and it's really easy to use, even though it's not free in the sense of free speech |
| 18:10.23 | bananafl2 | well how? |
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| 18:10.31 | bananafl2 | im kindof a linux newb |
| 18:10.38 | tarzeau | bananafl2: apt-get update && apt-get install grub -uy |
| 18:10.41 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 18:10.41 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
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| 18:10.47 | UziMaster | horza1: ok, i'm downloading it |
| 18:10.51 | Estes | tarzeau, nothing, i was simply in #gnu talking about http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html#FreeGNULinuxDistributions and wondering why debian wasn't there |
| 18:10.55 | bananafl2 | eh :D |
| 18:11.05 | tarzeau | Estes: gnustep live cd is there, isn't it? |
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| 18:11.11 | elnovato | anyone experiencing problems with networking with kernel 2.6.15 ? |
| 18:11.15 | tarzeau | Estes: because debian is anal about gnu fdl |
| 18:11.20 | horza1 | bananafl2, trust us when the questions are indicitive of your experience XD |
| 18:11.23 | Estes | :) |
| 18:11.37 | rss | tarzeau: I think it is not because of that |
| 18:11.39 | bananafl2 | doh it already was latest version :( |
| 18:11.43 | DevilChaos | elnovato:no but my system has slowed down abit |
| 18:11.50 | keherman | how can i print double-sided? |
| 18:11.54 | tarzeau | rss: i'd like to know what you think it's why |
| 18:11.56 | DevilChaos | xwindows anyway |
| 18:11.58 | horza1 | what are you trying to do bananafl2? |
| 18:12.04 | tarzeau | rss: i think it is that |
| 18:12.09 | tarzeau | !xwindows |
| 18:12.10 | dpkg | [xwindows] NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 18:12.18 | bananafl2 | getting grub to find my hd0,1 wich is ntfs |
| 18:12.25 | elnovato | DevilChaos: are you using ipv6 ? |
| 18:12.26 | tarzeau | keherman: your printer can do that? duplex? |
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| 18:12.34 | horza1 | tried dpkg-reconfigure grub? |
| 18:12.41 | bananafl2 | cuz neither grub nor linux finds it, but i know it's there :( |
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| 18:12.51 | tarzeau | bananafl2: fdisk -l shows it? |
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| 18:12.58 | tarzeau | bananafl2: can you not mount it from linux? |
| 18:12.58 | odb|fidel_ | lo, i want to change the hostname of my server. i used the hostname cmd |
| 18:13.00 | horza1 | heh, about to ask that |
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| 18:13.03 | rss | tarzeau: It is because though Debian doesn't force its users to use its users to install non-free, but still distributes the non-free software on its mirrors and disks |
| 18:13.07 | bananafl2 | nope, does not exist in linux :( |
| 18:13.08 | tarzeau | odb|fidel_: you also need |
| 18:13.09 | tarzeau | !hostname |
| 18:13.09 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 18:13.13 | DevilChaos | no imcurrently trying to get 2 interfaces to work aswell as my graphic card to let me use the tvout with ati |
| 18:13.13 | odb|fidel_ | but in irc the conenction is still listed with the old settings, any idea ? |
| 18:13.14 | horza1 | odb|fidel_: /etc/hostname |
| 18:13.26 | tarzeau | rss: true that's also an ugly point |
| 18:13.27 | Ramzies | Ðåáÿòà |
| 18:13.33 | rss | tarzeau: excuse the redundant words |
| 18:13.35 | Ramzies | Çäåñü êòî íè áóäü ïî Ðóññêè ãîâîðèò? |
| 18:13.36 | tarzeau | rss: splitting it up to debian.net would be good |
| 18:13.44 | tarzeau | rss: and contrib |
| 18:13.44 | horza1 | Ramzies: use engrish |
| 18:13.45 | rss | tarzeau: sure |
| 18:13.45 | elnovato | !!!!!! !!!! !!!\ |
| 18:13.46 | Gumby | does anyone here know if its possible to not allow a specific IP to connect via ssh. I see in my logs ssh login attempts and failures from the same ip an I want to block it (if possible) |
| 18:13.56 | tarzeau | rss: that would also give the users much less problems |
| 18:14.01 | DevilChaos | yes ipv6 over ipv4 tunneling |
| 18:14.05 | horza1 | Gumby: iptables? |
| 18:14.09 | jfs | Gumby: see man hosts.allow |
| 18:14.12 | cisse | Gumby: hosts.deny |
| 18:14.18 | horza1 | hosts.deny ftw |
| 18:14.21 | Eulex | Ramzies, english please. btw, that looks like it's a funky encoding of russian I've seen before. |
| 18:14.22 | elnovato | DevilChaos: iptables6 is working too?\ |
| 18:14.26 | Eulex | !ru |
| 18:14.26 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 18:14.28 | cisse | Gumby: i would ignore it and just make your account passwords strong (20+ chars) |
| 18:14.36 | DevilChaos | let me check |
| 18:14.49 | jfs | ne bei mir ging das so ab |
| 18:14.57 | jfs | sry |
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| 18:15.14 | odb|fidel_ | horza1: /etc/hostname is edited |
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| 18:15.25 | horza1 | odb|fidel_: edit /etc/hosts |
| 18:15.28 | odb|fidel_ | tarzeau: i used the hostname cmd too |
| 18:15.34 | odb|fidel_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:15.40 | horza1 | init 6 then |
| 18:15.42 | horza1 | :-D |
| 18:15.48 | horza1 | (reboot) |
| 18:15.49 | odb|fidel_ | init 6 ? |
| 18:15.55 | odb|fidel_ | oh k |
| 18:16.09 | tarzeau | odb|fidel_: did you read !hostname ? |
| 18:16.10 | DevilChaos | currently running iptables 1.3.3-2 |
| 18:16.20 | tarzeau | odb|fidel_: you need to do all what it says, not just the hostname cmd hostname cmd |
| 18:16.20 | DevilChaos | im useing testing |
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| 18:16.34 | horza1 | tarzeau: I think he did |
| 18:16.40 | horza1 | he just needs to reboo |
| 18:16.42 | horza1 | reboot* |
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| 18:16.55 | horza1 | note to self: tab completion does not with with english |
| 18:17.05 | odb|fidel_ | ok, i ll do a reboot |
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| 18:17.07 | odb|fidel_ | thx guys |
| 18:17.11 | tarzeau | horza1: no he doesn't |
| 18:17.14 | horza1 | no? |
| 18:17.15 | tarzeau | DON'T REBOOT |
| 18:17.17 | horza1 | fidel, wait |
| 18:17.19 | tarzeau | just telinit q |
| 18:17.23 | tarzeau | if the logins bother you |
| 18:17.24 | Lin | Hi all. There is in some place a really base packages needed for a debian system. I think that gcc isn't necessary in debian base install. Best regards! |
| 18:17.28 | tarzeau | horza1: of course not |
| 18:17.32 | odb|fidel_ | ? |
| 18:17.35 | elnovato | DevilChaos: ip6tables comes blocked by definition? |
| 18:17.39 | abrotman | Lin: you installed it! |
| 18:17.40 | horza1 | oh, right, silly me, this isn't windows |
| 18:17.40 | tarzeau | horza1: hostname changes don't need a reboot unless on Windows or OPENSTEP |
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| 18:17.53 | odb|fidel_ | makes sense |
| 18:17.58 | Lin | no abrotman a havent installed base-install have installed it. |
| 18:18.00 | odb|fidel_ | so i missed something right now |
| 18:18.11 | abrotman | !info gcc sarge |
| 18:18.13 | horza1 | no, I think a command needs run? |
| 18:18.29 | elnovato | administrates a big word |
| 18:18.32 | Hohlraum | anyone assist me in reverting to an older version of a package? .. security update broke something. |
| 18:18.39 | abrotman | did dpkg stop answering to !info again ? |
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| 18:18.44 | DevilChaos | elnovato: havent got it what source did you get it from? |
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| 18:18.49 | horza1 | !hostname |
| 18:18.49 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 18:19.05 | Lin | abrotman: ? |
| 18:19.08 | abrotman | Lin: dpkg -l | grep gcc |
| 18:19.09 | elnovato | DevilChaos: kernel 2.6.15 image, installed via apt |
| 18:19.10 | metaperl | why is installing libxine1 removing vlc?! |
| 18:19.12 | Lin | ok |
| 18:19.24 | tarzeau | horza1: me too, AND mac os x :) |
| 18:19.28 | horza1 | odb|fidel_: type in the command : "hostname newhostname" |
| 18:19.29 | abrotman | Lin: gcc is not part of the base install |
| 18:19.44 | SerajewelKS | only things i've had to reboot for are: kernel upgrades, video card weirdness, and crashes |
| 18:19.45 | Lin | abrotman: but it has being installed. Im on base-install |
| 18:19.50 | jair | cisse, in the mailing list does not look like the guy found a solve to the IBM problem right? |
| 18:19.58 | DevilChaos | no testing stable unstable or alternative source unofficial? |
| 18:19.59 | horza1 | tarzeau: I have enough trouble keeping win seperate from linux in my head, I don't need another *nix to deal w/ |
| 18:19.59 | abrotman | Lin: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 18:20.06 | Lin | abrotman: im not a liar, blind or stupid =D |
| 18:20.08 | odb|fidel_ | horza1: i did |
| 18:20.15 | horza1 | and? |
| 18:20.17 | Lin | abrotman: the system hasn't ssh I have to go there |
| 18:20.20 | Lin | abrotman: wait a minute |
| 18:20.24 | horza1 | why do you think it hasn't worked? |
| 18:20.27 | odb|fidel_ | dilate:~# hostname dilate |
| 18:20.27 | odb|fidel_ | dilate:~# hostname -f |
| 18:20.28 | odb|fidel_ | hostname: Unknown host |
| 18:20.42 | chealer | metaperl: which release? |
| 18:20.43 | odb|fidel_ | ups |
| 18:20.45 | DevilChaos | elnovato: what is it your trying to do? |
| 18:20.45 | odb|fidel_ | my fault hehe |
| 18:20.49 | metaperl | I dont understand why libmodplug0c2 is removing vlc... I just wanted libxine1 ... this is Debian/testing: http://rafb.net/paste/results/6ZLKkf59.html |
| 18:20.52 | bananafl2 | But GRUB still wont find my ntfs partitions. But it can find the FAT, ext and USB-ntfs ones. :S |
| 18:20.55 | metaperl | chealer: Debian/testing |
| 18:21.03 | horza1 | odd... |
| 18:21.17 | abrotman | metaperl: C++ ABI change |
| 18:21.17 | Lin | abrotman: libc6-2.3.2ds1 |
| 18:21.26 | abrotman | Lin: and dpkg -l | grep gcc |
| 18:21.26 | metaperl | API? or ABI? |
| 18:21.32 | abrotman | both? |
| 18:21.36 | elnovato | DevilChaos: im trying to make my network work, after i installed kernel 2.6.15 , not working anymore, sometimes does, but after 20 reboots, and i cant explain what could be wrong\ |
| 18:21.36 | bananafl2 | so unless installing debian magically removed all ntfs partitions something's wrong with grub... |
| 18:21.41 | metaperl | what does ABI mean? |
| 18:21.47 | abrotman | Application Binary Interface |
| 18:21.50 | SerajewelKS | !abi |
| 18:21.50 | dpkg | well, abi is application binary interface. |
| 18:21.51 | metaperl | oh |
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| 18:21.57 | metaperl | hmm |
| 18:22.03 | horza1 | tarzeau: any ideas on his system? |
| 18:22.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: use the bot, your fingers need rest =) |
| 18:22.07 | Ramzies | Help me please |
| 18:22.20 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i'm a bot! |
| 18:22.20 | Lin | abrotman: 3.3 |
| 18:22.24 | Ronin | Ramzies: best to tell us the problem then |
| 18:22.26 | abrotman | Lin: only one package? |
| 18:22.32 | Lin | abrotman: g++ and gdb are being installed |
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| 18:22.41 | DevilChaos | elnovato: ifconfig and route? what does boot scroll say when starting up ? |
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| 18:22.54 | cy_ | i have a problem with X and conky .. http://pastebin.ca/41761 .. anyone knows what that might could be .. ? |
| 18:23.02 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it seems dpkg stopped answering to !info again |
| 18:23.05 | horza1 | odb|fidel_: use hostname -v |
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| 18:23.09 | Hohlraum | can someone help me revert to an older version of a package using apt or aptitude? |
| 18:23.19 | abrotman | Lin: because you're installing them? did you use tasksel ? |
| 18:23.25 | Lin | abrotman: gcc base and libgcc right now. But im fstill fetching packages |
| 18:23.27 | bananafl2 | But GRUB still wont find my ntfs partitions. But it can find the FAT, ext and USB-ntfs ones. :S |
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| 18:23.36 | bananafl2 | can anyone help? |
| 18:23.40 | Lin | abrotman: no tasksel has opened and I choose cancel |
| 18:23.42 | abrotman | Lin: is gcc-3.3 installed ? |
| 18:23.48 | Lin | abrotman: gcc-3.3-base |
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| 18:24.01 | Lin | abrotman: but gcc-3.3 are being download (will be installed) |
| 18:24.15 | abrotman | Lin: i have no idea what you did .. but gcc is not installed with a minimal install |
| 18:24.17 | Lin | abrotman: g++ and gdb too. |
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| 18:24.25 | Ramzies | I cannot put Debian on notebook |
| 18:24.28 | elnovato | DevilChaos: ifconfig says inet addr:169.254.95.37 Bcast:0.0.0.0 Mask:255.255.0.0 inet6 addr: fe80::20a:e6ff:fe3b:fb59/64 Scope:Link , for eth0, i dunno where it came that ip, becoz in interfaces is totally diferent |
| 18:24.35 | horza1 | bananafl2: does your ntfs partition show up under fdisk? |
| 18:24.37 | Ramzies | Ronin |
| 18:24.37 | Lin | abrotman: I have used sarge 3.1 r1a netinstal |
| 18:24.47 | abrotman | Lin: if you're sure that you didn't do anything .. you can try filing a bug if you believe gcc should not be intsalled |
| 18:24.48 | bananafl2 | horzal: dunno |
| 18:24.57 | SerajewelKS | bananafl2: SO CHECK |
| 18:25.00 | elnovato | DevilChaos: route says: localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 169.254.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 18:25.00 | Ramzies | Loading usb-uhci module. |
| 18:25.01 | Ramzies | <6> usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs |
| 18:25.01 | Ramzies | usb.c: registered new driver hub |
| 18:25.01 | Ramzies | usb-uhci.c: $Revisionn: 1.275 $ time 09:50:48 Aug 17 2005 |
| 18:25.01 | Ramzies | usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled |
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| 18:25.11 | Lin | abrotman: but talking about a really dry package list. there is somewhere? |
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| 18:25.18 | SerajewelKS | !tell Ramzies about paste |
| 18:25.20 | horza1 | elnovato: that IP means your interface isn't configured w/ a valid IP |
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| 18:25.31 | abrotman | Lin: you can clean up the system after the install |
| 18:25.44 | Lin | abrotman: I dont want to do that with 20 machines |
| 18:25.56 | Lin | abrotman: I will do a set-selection with a package list |
| 18:25.56 | abrotman | Lin: it's actually quite easy |
| 18:26.01 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 18:26.02 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 18:26.12 | bananafl2 | horzal: no, fdisk says the whole disk is sba1 |
| 18:26.12 | Lin | abrotman: I know! =D |
| 18:26.23 | bananafl2 | that means i'm screwed. |
| 18:26.31 | horza1 | not necessarily |
| 18:26.37 | SerajewelKS | bananafl2: that means that no NTFS partition exists, dude |
| 18:26.37 | odb|fidel_ | horza1: hostname -v gives me the hostname i assigend |
| 18:26.38 | horza1 | how is it partitioned? |
| 18:26.38 | elnovato | horza1: where to config that ip? becouze in /etc/network/interfaces it says: iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.60 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 gateway 192.168.1.1 |
| 18:26.45 | chealer | metaperl: vlc is not in testing, that means you're not using a pure Etch |
| 18:26.48 | odb|fidel_ | but if i open irssi from this pc |
| 18:26.49 | horza1 | odb|fidel_: then it's prolly working |
| 18:26.54 | odb|fidel_ | its stil lthe old mask |
| 18:26.55 | bananafl2 | SerajewelKS: but they do exist |
| 18:26.58 | DevilChaos | elnovato: hold on ill go check few things |
| 18:27.00 | Lin | abrotman: but if I had a list I will not need to look deep on my packages, but thank you anyway! |
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| 18:27.05 | horza1 | elnovato: I'm not sure |
| 18:27.10 | SerajewelKS | bananafl2: have you checked /dev/sda? |
| 18:27.11 | metaperl | chealer: how would I know what I am using? |
| 18:27.21 | metaperl | chealer: I meanly do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
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| 18:27.35 | horza1 | bananafl2: do "ls -l /dev/ | grep sda" |
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| 18:27.52 | abrotman | Lin: as i said . if you're sure you didn't do anything ... file a bug .. i don't recall gcc being a base package .. nor IMO should it be |
| 18:27.52 | Navop | what make of video card is supported by linux distro, meaning which is easier to find drivers for and setup? |
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| 18:27.55 | abrotman | Navop: all of them? |
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| 18:28.02 | Lin | abrotman: IMHO too! =D |
| 18:28.02 | abrotman | Navop: we need mroe details |
| 18:28.04 | SerajewelKS | horza1: or just 'ls -l /dev/sda*' |
| 18:28.08 | chealer | metaperl: check your sources. it's however possible that you installed your vlc while it was testing, but it was since removed |
| 18:28.15 | bananafl2 | now hd1,0 shows up as ntfs in fdisk |
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| 18:28.27 | bananafl2 | horzal: repeat plz? |
| 18:28.30 | horza1 | SerajewelKS: I prefer mine, shows and sym links/etc |
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| 18:28.40 | Navop | k have ati video card and to install it is a pain in the butt, though that nvidia would be easier? |
| 18:28.42 | shad0w1e | is it just me, or is debian (and all other .deb) distros, NOTICABLY slower than the RPM distros? I've tested these out in many environments and came to this conclusion... can someone confirm it, or tell me how to speed things up? thanks |
| 18:28.45 | abrotman | Navop: you wish |
| 18:28.48 | horza1 | bananafl2: do ls -l /dev/sda* |
| 18:28.53 | horza1 | :-P |
| 18:28.55 | bananafl2 | nvm |
| 18:28.59 | abrotman | Navop: you mean you want accelerated 3d .. and want to know which is easiest? |
| 18:29.08 | Navop | yes |
| 18:29.12 | horza1 | shad0w1e: it's just you |
| 18:29.21 | Lin | abrotman: I think that a really base install should not have mta too. =/ |
| 18:29.24 | cecile | hi all, I am new to debian, and I wonder if it was possible to automatically see on screen that a cd got inserted or another media, just it seems that under kde the media:/ folder does not really work well with debian using hotplug (istead of udev/hal) |
| 18:29.28 | Lin | abrotman: single logging is enough |
| 18:29.30 | bananafl2 | foun sda and sda1 |
| 18:29.34 | bananafl2 | *found |
| 18:29.36 | abrotman | Lin: it kind of has to .. to deliver system messages about failed logging :) |
| 18:29.38 | metaperl | chealer: here is my sources.list: http://rafb.net/paste/results/f3b0Wc91.html |
| 18:29.38 | horza1 | Navop: I got the nvidia drivers working very easily |
| 18:29.57 | abrotman | Navop: if you really want to know .. ask #dri .. i have an intel card .. works pretty easily .. no special futzing around |
| 18:30.04 | Lin | abrotman: this kind of problem should be managed by experienced sysadmins. |
| 18:30.10 | Lin | abrotman: but anyway! =D |
| 18:30.16 | DevilChaos | elnovato: go to pastebin and paste what you hav got for ifconfig and route and whats in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:30.24 | Navop | have to redo linux box, so in the process would change video card... |
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| 18:30.27 | abrotman | !why an mta |
| 18:30.27 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. |
| 18:30.28 | Lin | abrotman: should have a REALLY BASIC and a BASIC install |
| 18:30.40 | DevilChaos | should all relitivly be the same |
| 18:30.41 | abrotman | Lin: so start uninstalling stuff .. but lots of stuff depends on having an MTA |
| 18:30.44 | elnovato | ok devil |
| 18:30.45 | shad0w1e | Navop, this isnt windows! what do the two have to do with each other! |
| 18:30.48 | abrotman | Lin: deborphan may help |
| 18:30.50 | elnovato | !pastebin |
| 18:30.50 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 18:30.51 | Lin | abrotman: I know! =D |
| 18:30.58 | Lin | abrotman: Thank you! |
| 18:31.03 | Lin | abrotman: leaving! |
| 18:31.12 | abrotman | that's not how you spell it! |
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| 18:31.21 | Navop | ty |
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| 18:31.44 | horza1 | bananafl2: what are the exact parameters for your HD in fdisk? |
| 18:31.47 | chealer | metaperl: it seems to be pure etch, so it must have been a version removed from testing |
| 18:31.50 | bananafl2 | i think there might be something wrong with the FAT partition... |
| 18:31.51 | horza1 | use pastebin or something |
| 18:31.56 | metaperl | ok good thanks chealer |
| 18:32.11 | horza1 | bananafl2: do you have a FAT32 partition too? |
| 18:32.35 | bananafl2 | horzal: yes first a fat then the ntfs |
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| 18:33.02 | horza1 | I need to see your partition table |
| 18:33.04 | bananafl2 | [ FAT32 Recovery Partition ][ NTFS Windows Partition ] |
| 18:33.06 | bananafl2 | like that |
| 18:33.09 | bananafl2 | ? |
| 18:33.16 | horza1 | one sec |
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| 18:33.28 | Hohlraum | how do I report that a security update broke something it wasn't meant to? |
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| 18:33.43 | bbrazil | Hohlraum: reportbug |
| 18:34.05 | horza1 | bananafl2: do fdisk /dev/sda, then do the p command in fdisk , and give me the output of that |
| 18:34.24 | bananafl2 | /dev/sda1 * 1 32300 244187968+ 44 Okänd |
| 18:34.29 | elnovato | DevilChaos: http://pastebin.com/556329 << there is the results |
| 18:34.35 | horza1 | Hohlraum: as opposed to a security update breaking things it is supposed to? |
| 18:34.38 | bananafl2 | Okänd is Unknown in swedish |
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| 18:34.55 | hrip | hey how the kernel knows from which partition to run init? |
| 18:35.17 | horza1 | bananafl2: can you give me the whole output? and use pastebin.ca |
| 18:35.49 | Hohlraum | horza1: FU ;) |
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| 18:35.59 | DevilChaos | elnovato: hold on |
| 18:36.00 | horza1 | Hohlraum: XD |
| 18:36.17 | bananafl2 | http://pastebin.com/556336 |
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| 18:37.02 | horza1 | bananafl2: can you mount sda1 easily? |
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| 18:37.34 | bananafl2 | it auto-mounts |
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| 18:37.54 | horza1 | then you don't HAVE an NTFS partition |
| 18:38.01 | bananafl2 | ftw i DO |
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| 18:38.17 | horza1 | can you mount it any other way? |
| 18:38.29 | bananafl2 | FAT or NTFS? |
| 18:38.34 | horza1 | the NTFS |
| 18:38.41 | bananafl2 | um no |
| 18:38.47 | loca|host | hello, i have a 2.6.8-2-386 kernel sarge debian that am seeking for the apt repository link to put in the sources file to get the kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.6.8-2-386, i want my pcmcia workig ... :( |
| 18:38.53 | tyler_ | how can i covert a ghostscirpt file to a jpeg file ? |
| 18:38.56 | horza1 | is there another OS you've used that you've seen it working? |
| 18:38.58 | theorb | Do file -s /dev/thingyoucantmount |
| 18:39.11 | horza1 | if you boot into windows, does it work? |
| 18:39.13 | bananafl2 | windows... and os x86 found it but didnt mount it |
| 18:39.21 | hrip | hey how the kernel knows from which partition to run init? |
| 18:39.21 | chealer | loca|host: there is no such package |
| 18:39.38 | bananafl2 | but i cant boot into windows since windows is on the missing ntfs partition |
| 18:39.38 | horza1 | bananafl2: did you make that HD a Dynamic HD in windows? |
| 18:39.41 | loca|host | chealer, pcmcia module anyway |
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| 18:39.42 | elnovato | DevilChaos: ok holding :D |
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| 18:40.07 | DevilChaos | elnovato: odd |
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| 18:40.19 | DevilChaos | it is different |
| 18:40.24 | theorb | hrip: It uses the one on the kernel's command line (as root=), or the compiled-in default. (So always give it one on the command-line, for clarity.) |
| 18:40.33 | bananafl2 | horzal: i haven't touched it in windows, apart from storing files on it |
| 18:40.33 | falco_toadfoot | booting 2.6.15-1-k7 with udev results in fallback busybox-shell |
| 18:40.37 | falco_toadfoot | "cannot find hda1" |
| 18:40.39 | Ronin | bananafl2: i wasnt paying close attention so this likely was suggested already, boot with disk 1, pick rescue and rebuild mbr? |
| 18:40.57 | horza1 | and /dev/sda1 mounts just fine? |
| 18:41.07 | bananafl2 | you mean fixmbr and fixboot? tried that. |
| 18:41.08 | DevilChaos | elnovato: do you have 2 interface ie 2 network cards installed? |
| 18:41.18 | bananafl2 | horzal: yes it does. |
| 18:41.23 | dboune | Anyone seen linux-source-2.6.12? Any news? |
| 18:41.28 | Ronin | bananafl2: no i mean use the debian install disk 1 actually |
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| 18:41.32 | bananafl2 | also is VFAT the same at FAT32? |
| 18:41.34 | SerajewelKS | bananafl2: if fdisk does not list an ntfs partition, it's not fucking there |
| 18:41.38 | DevilChaos | brb |
| 18:41.41 | horza1 | bananafl2: I think so |
| 18:41.46 | theorb | My firefox seems to segfault shortly after loading certian pages, on an up-to-date i386 unstable system. |
| 18:41.46 | loca|host | how to get the pcmcia module for my debian sarge (2.6.8-2-386 kernel) |
| 18:41.49 | horza1 | and what SerajewelKS said. |
| 18:41.52 | bananafl2 | ok.. cuz the FAT is VFAT |
| 18:41.53 | stew | dboune: it has been removed since it was made obsolete by 2.6.14 |
| 18:41.54 | Ronin | but like SerajewelKS said, |
| 18:41.55 | horza1 | You do NOT have an NTFS partifion |
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| 18:42.06 | dboune | stew: Thank you. |
| 18:42.11 | SerajewelKS | bananafl2: VFAT is the general FAT type that includes FAT12, FAT16, and FAT32 |
| 18:42.12 | theorb | (Even when running firefox -safe-mode.) |
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| 18:42.28 | jfs | theorb: you say it, on an unstable system. what did you expect? see the bts |
| 18:42.37 | theorb | Anybody have a clue? I'd like to be fairly certian it's not somehow my fault before filing a bug. |
| 18:42.44 | horza1 | I'm lookin at the output from fdisk, trust me, you don't have an ntfs partition |
| 18:42.45 | meneg | q: any idea how we read SD cards with a "5-in-1" reader on a laptop? |
| 18:42.46 | bananafl2 | horzal: so on the debian cd how do i fix mbr? |
| 18:42.48 | theorb | I have seen the BTS. |
| 18:42.48 | horza1 | if you did, it's gone now |
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| 18:43.00 | bananafl2 | i'm fucked |
| 18:43.11 | horza1 | probably |
| 18:43.12 | horza1 | unless |
| 18:43.28 | horza1 | you rewrote partition table but didn't format anything |
| 18:43.33 | jfs | theorb: in most cases it's up to certain extensions (e.g. flash players or such). you should try it without your ~.firefox |
| 18:43.36 | bananafl2 | how do i do that? |
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| 18:43.58 | theorb | I did try safe mode, but will try moving away ~/.firefox. |
| 18:44.12 | horza1 | then you're mounting /dev/sda1 and fdisk shows it as taking the whole HD, but teh FS on /dev/sda1 is showing itself as part of the HD |
| 18:44.39 | horza1 | anyone know how to see the details on a vfat FS? |
| 18:44.41 | Covener | theorb: flash and sound maybe? you can run firefox in a console, set ulimit -c unlimited, and look at the backtrace to narrow it down |
| 18:44.58 | bananafl2 | someone at HP must've fucked my harddrive... |
| 18:45.05 | horza1 | possibly |
| 18:45.09 | horza1 | bananafl2: |
| 18:45.23 | Covener | horza1: file -s on the device node shows you something |
| 18:45.25 | horza1 | when you mount the FAT32 partition, how much space does it have? |
| 18:45.32 | rss | how to set a default gtk2 theme to graphical GDM screen? |
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| 18:45.39 | horza1 | DAMN IT RAMZIES! |
| 18:45.44 | horza1 | YOU FUCKED UP MY CONSOLE! |
| 18:45.49 | bananafl2 | 232 GB wich is the whole harddrive :( |
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| 18:45.58 | elnovat1 | DevilChaos: ok, im holding |
| 18:46.09 | horza1 | so if you wanted to you could fill up the whole thing? |
| 18:46.13 | horza1 | ya, you're fucked |
| 18:46.19 | horza1 | drivesavers.com |
| 18:46.22 | bananafl2 | aww crap |
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| 18:46.26 | theorb | Run with no .firefox and -safe-mode, still segfaulting. |
| 18:46.44 | theorb | vmware.com is my test case, BTW. segfaults several seconds after it finishes loading. |
| 18:47.10 | horza1 | theorb: are there any settings for firefox elsewhere on the system? |
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| 18:47.27 | horza1 | I don't know where settings for FF are |
| 18:47.39 | bananafl2 | fuck... better try booting into the recovery partition and see if i can do something there... |
| 18:47.42 | theorb | horza1: Not that I'm aware of. None I've ever messed with, leastways. |
| 18:48.08 | horza1 | I have no ideas then |
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| 18:48.28 | horza1 | we'll see bananafl2 on the news I think |
| 18:48.32 | hrip | how can i place a file in the boot sector? |
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| 18:48.47 | horza1 | hrip: if you don't know how, you don't need to be doing that |
| 18:49.05 | horza1 | unless you mean your boot partition |
| 18:49.05 | hrip | im wondering how |
| 18:49.09 | hrip | no, the mbr |
| 18:49.19 | sandman | I installed the samba metapackage, but when I go to Computer on my GNOME desktop, and select Network, then Windows network, it tells me it "couldn't display smb:///" |
| 18:49.20 | hrip | im writing a small boot loader in assembly |
| 18:49.23 | sandman | Any ideas? |
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| 18:49.36 | Varis2 | hi |
| 18:49.38 | horza1 | ok, so this isn't a production machine or anything? |
| 18:50.04 | Varis2 | does dselect of testing have something like task-development? |
| 18:50.07 | nkuttler | sandman: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:50.14 | abrotman | Varis2: tasksel does |
| 18:50.14 | theorb | hrip: Make sure you have a grub boot floppy/cd handy, and that it works. Then it's just a matter of dd. |
| 18:50.18 | horza1 | http://pastebin.com/556336 |
| 18:50.19 | abrotman | Varis2: emacs is not usual |
| 18:50.24 | horza1 | erm, ignore that |
| 18:50.33 | abrotman | !b-e Varis2 |
| 18:50.33 | dpkg | Varis2: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 18:50.48 | abrotman | Varis2: so .. apt-get install build-essential emacs21 .. ick |
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| 18:50.54 | cecile | i did what is stated in the channel thread, but i still get W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.informatik.hu-berlin.de sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BB5E459A529B8BDA |
| 18:51.13 | abrotman | that key doesn't look normal |
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| 18:51.25 | abrotman | cecile: there are no keys for sarge |
| 18:51.29 | DevilChaos | elnovato: you didnt answer my question? |
| 18:51.31 | sandman | nkuttler: I want to browser my SMB network |
| 18:51.36 | cecile | abrotman: hm, strage |
| 18:51.36 | sandman | nkuttler: I have other window machines on the network |
| 18:51.40 | mpoer | does anyone know how icewm sets the background image/color? |
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| 18:51.50 | abrotman | cecile: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 18:51.51 | Varis2 | hmm it says aptitude failed |
| 18:51.57 | abrotman | Varis2: failed to do what? |
| 18:52.02 | Varis2 | also, there is no development task... is it subtask? |
| 18:52.06 | Varis2 | abro, it did not say... |
| 18:52.14 | SerajewelKS | hah... aptitude failed... |
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| 18:52.18 | DevilChaos | elnovato: do you have 2 interface ie 2 network cards installed? |
| 18:52.20 | Varis2 | unless code 255 is helpful |
| 18:52.20 | SerajewelKS | how ironic |
| 18:52.20 | stew | abrotman: the search Release file is signed |
| 18:52.32 | stew | abrotman: sarge* |
| 18:52.35 | DevilChaos | you might have a conflict if you do |
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| 18:52.43 | elnovat1 | DevilChaos: yes , i have 1 more card wich im not using |
| 18:52.43 | cecile | abrotman: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 ---> ii libc6 2.3.5-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 18:52.56 | DevilChaos | remove it |
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| 18:53.02 | elnovat1 | ok, brb |
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| 18:53.16 | abrotman | cecile: that is not sarge |
| 18:53.19 | DevilChaos | and see what happons |
| 18:53.20 | sandman | Is http://secure-testing.debian.net not supposed to have a public key for use with secure apt? |
| 18:53.29 | stew | cecile: that mirror seems to be signed by the Blackown team not by the debian keys |
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| 18:53.35 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 18:53.35 | dpkg | somebody said testing security was Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
| 18:53.43 | abrotman | !tell sandman about secure-testing-master apt-key |
| 18:53.48 | seb- | how get later kernel than 2.6.8?? |
| 18:53.54 | Varis2 | and by the way, why could it be that when I apt-get stuff, it says package cannot be authenticated for quite a bit of stuff=? |
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| 18:53.57 | seb- | apt-get no see it |
| 18:53.59 | stew | cecile: if you wish to blindly trust that key "/msg dpkg apt-key 529B8BDA" or you can alternatively import it and check your trust path to it |
| 18:54.02 | abrotman | seb-: in sarge? |
| 18:54.08 | seb- | abrotman: yaaa |
| 18:54.12 | abrotman | you have 2.6.8 |
| 18:54.22 | abrotman | Varis2: /topic |
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| 18:54.28 | cecile | stew: i have used that repository since.. well always, this with the key is new |
| 18:54.36 | seb- | abrotman: does testing and unstable have newer kernels can get? |
| 18:54.49 | seb- | abrotman: good idea? |
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| 18:55.16 | abrotman | seb-: what's the worst that happens .. your computer won't boot ... |
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| 18:55.25 | poli | seb-: try backports.org and apt-get.org |
| 18:55.26 | seb- | abrotman: true |
| 18:55.27 | mpoer | does anyone know how IceWM sets the background color/image (i.e. what program it uses) |
| 18:55.33 | mpoer | because it doesn't work for me |
| 18:55.36 | abrotman | xsetroot ? bsetroot ? |
| 18:55.46 | Seb | mpoer: qiv/feh also can do that |
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| 18:55.58 | mpoer | does it just use whichever you have? |
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| 18:56.12 | sandman | I get a whole bunch of errors @ boot about udev and I can't seem to find them @ /var/log anywhere.. |
| 18:56.13 | Seb | mpoer: one would have to read icewm docs to figure this out |
| 18:56.26 | mpoer | I've looked through but couldn't find it |
| 18:56.27 | Seb | sandman: dmesg doesn't show them ? |
| 18:56.31 | sandman | I want to diagnose and fix the problem, but I can't go far to that if I have nothing I can look at. |
| 18:56.34 | cisse | sandman: /var/log/dmesg |
| 18:56.34 | sandman | Seb: No |
| 18:56.37 | cappiz | is there any other way to kill a pid beside 'kill -9 PID' ? |
| 18:56.39 | mpoer | the faq and theme info and such |
| 18:56.42 | Seb | sandman: then try ctrl-s while booting |
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| 18:56.46 | cappiz | i cant see to be abel to kill cfdisk |
| 18:56.50 | cappiz | and reboot didnt help |
| 18:56.58 | cappiz | it doesnt reboot |
| 18:57.00 | Varis2 | thanks... |
| 18:57.09 | sandman | Running dmesg and cat'ing /var/log/dmesg should be about hte same. |
| 18:57.12 | Seb | cappiz: -9 pretty much always work, with the exception of processes accessing unavailable nfs resources, most notably |
| 18:57.16 | sandman | Seb: Is that scrolllock? |
| 18:57.17 | Varis2 | hmm, do I have to configure aptitude, I conffed sources.list already? |
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| 18:57.30 | cappiz | hum |
| 18:57.37 | Seb | sandman: it is. ctrl-q to resume. |
| 18:58.07 | cappiz | fuck :S |
| 18:58.20 | Azar | Varis2: what do you mean by "conffed" ? |
| 18:58.34 | sandman | abrotman: Why aren't those keys just distributed with apt and the like? |
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| 18:58.39 | sandman | abrotman: Or are they.. |
| 18:58.51 | abrotman | sandman: that is currently being discussed |
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| 18:59.17 | sandman | abrotman: It would be nice. |
| 18:59.23 | abrotman | it would |
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| 18:59.53 | sandman | It seems to me that most deb developers are probably just going to add it anyway, and fewer of them might not necessarily want the default so they will configure it differently. |
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| 19:00.02 | Varis2 | azar, I can get packages with apt |
| 19:00.05 | sandman | That is to say, the default should be that which makes the Debian community most effective, yes? |
| 19:00.13 | Seb | SEcki_: what's that ? :) |
| 19:00.20 | Seb | hrm |
| 19:00.24 | Seb | SerajewelKS: what's that ? :) |
| 19:00.24 | sandman | And by community, I mean the developers. |
| 19:00.26 | Azar | Varis2: you should read about apt and learn why this n that .. |
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| 19:00.44 | sandman | I could care less about non-developers :) If one wants it different, they should get involved in the politics of Debian and have it changed. |
| 19:00.52 | sandman | Or to add weight to their say, start contributing :) |
| 19:00.56 | Seb | sandman: you a dd ? |
| 19:00.56 | sandman | But that's just my humble opinion. |
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| 19:01.28 | Varis2 | which X driver would one need for ati radeon mobility x300 chip? |
| 19:01.33 | tarzeau | Varis2: vesa |
| 19:01.37 | abrotman | with xorg? |
| 19:01.41 | Varis2 | yes |
| 19:01.47 | DevilChaos | varis2:ati |
| 19:01.48 | Azar | Varis2: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html <<just ignore the "non-US" stanza, it is not used anymore |
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| 19:01.51 | abrotman | the radeon doesn't work? i thought it had r300 drivers |
| 19:01.54 | cisse | ati or radeon |
| 19:02.12 | SerajewelKS | Seb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_finger_trap |
| 19:02.14 | Varis2 | thanks, will try those... makes doc reading easier :- |
| 19:02.16 | Varis2 | ;-) |
| 19:02.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: what idiot would use vesa .. that's like using gnustep .. totally ass-backwards |
| 19:02.20 | Seb | SerajewelKS: yeah just did that, heh |
| 19:02.37 | Seb | or playing bubblebobble or something |
| 19:02.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: i use gnustep |
| 19:02.46 | cecile | abrotman: that comes from that most of documentations out there are over years old :I |
| 19:02.49 | abrotman | proved my point |
| 19:02.52 | tarzeau | Seb: bub-n-bros.sf.net you mean? |
| 19:02.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm not an idiot |
| 19:02.58 | Seb | tarzeau: precisely :> |
| 19:03.07 | SerajewelKS | Seb: trackballs! |
| 19:03.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: just ass-backwards :) |
| 19:03.13 | Azar | tarzeau, we know, we are with you |
| 19:03.19 | SerajewelKS | Seb: bzflag! scorched3d! |
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| 19:03.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: really the non-free drivers suck ass |
| 19:04.08 | elnovato | DevilChaos: taht worked, devil, seems was a conflic between 2 nic's |
| 19:04.12 | DevilChaos | abrotman: cant remember if asked you but do you know anything bout tv out with ati card in xorg mine works in the terminal but not when xserver kicks in cant understand why or what i need to do to resolve have looked at various how tos and wikis |
| 19:04.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: besides they don't work with gnu/hurd or gnu/kfreebsd |
| 19:04.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: i don't use them .. but vesa is crap .. and radeon is a free driver |
| 19:04.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: so tell ATI .. stop whining :) |
| 19:04.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: does it work with the card he has? |
| 19:04.36 | abrotman | DevilChaos: not a thing .. ask #ati |
| 19:04.42 | Seb | abrotman: you use radeon over fglrx ? |
| 19:04.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: presumably so .. |
| 19:04.49 | abrotman | Seb: i810 |
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| 19:04.53 | Seb | abrotman: ah k |
| 19:04.58 | DevilChaos | elnovato : problem solved |
| 19:05.23 | Azar | hehe speaking of non-free: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/NVIDIAProprietaryDriver |
| 19:05.30 | parsek_77 | hi all. i just want to create a ftp-user group and multiple accounts under it. I don't want to users see each other's directories but I'd like to see theirs without being root. how do i create/adjust their acoount and permissions? |
| 19:05.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: did you package briquolo now? |
| 19:05.48 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 19:06.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: haven't had time .. maybe tonight if i get to it |
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| 19:06.38 | elnovato | hail for DevilChaos !!! |
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| 19:06.40 | Illusia | wow now this is a group hehe |
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| 19:07.02 | Azar | parsek_77: type info coreutils groups |
| 19:07.02 | GomoX | Argh |
| 19:07.09 | GomoX | Is there an imagemagick IRC channel? |
| 19:07.17 | tarzeau | GomoX: just ask here? |
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| 19:07.27 | GomoX | Or alternatively does anyone know how to desaturate an image with it |
| 19:07.35 | GomoX | -modulate 0,-100,0 doesn't work |
| 19:07.43 | Illusia | no not on ircfreenoce |
| 19:07.44 | GomoX | i get all black images |
| 19:07.46 | Illusia | not by that name |
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| 19:08.01 | Illusia | no image...anything |
| 19:08.02 | GomoX | (this is "convert" btw) |
| 19:08.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: Varis2: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/radeon.4.html |
| 19:08.36 | parsek_77 | Azar, thanks |
| 19:08.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: gnustep isn't ass backwards |
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| 19:09.15 | Pakety | Oi |
| 19:09.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: says you .. pickle! |
| 19:09.23 | Mike3 | how do i see how many cpu's are in my machine? /proc/cpuinfo?? |
| 19:09.29 | tarzeau | Mike3: yes |
| 19:09.35 | Illusia | is this a place to ask questions or just 850 folks who have no better place to hang lol |
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| 19:09.54 | tarzeau | Illusia: the latter |
| 19:09.59 | Illusia | lol |
| 19:10.03 | elnovato | !ask |
| 19:10.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:10.12 | Mike3 | tarzua,I dont see anything stating I have multiple cpu's |
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| 19:10.24 | tarzeau | Mike3: then you don't or you got the wrong kernel |
| 19:10.34 | tarzeau | Mike3: check hwinfo and lshw if they list more than one |
| 19:10.42 | dinesh | hi, packages.debian.org is still down, how can I find in which package libz.a is included? |
| 19:10.49 | tarzeau | !topicsmite dinesh |
| 19:10.49 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon dinesh. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:10.51 | Mike3 | ok, I need the other kernel possibly |
| 19:11.02 | Pakety | Hello |
| 19:11.17 | tarzeau | Mike3: gnu/kfreebsd also supports smp! |
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| 19:11.29 | DevilChaos | lol topic :) |
| 19:11.51 | SerajewelKS | !lol |
| 19:11.51 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 19:12.16 | Illusia | OK..just a broadbrush question .. jumped from hotplug to udev and davicom nic no workee now saw a bug number attached to that davicom issue anyone ? |
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| 19:12.54 | [6502] | hello... is there a channel where to ask about timidity and soundfonts ? |
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| 19:12.59 | cecile | I have a problem with my __cat__; I'm running Debian version __of gentoo__. when I try to do __feed her___ I get the following output __vomit__. I expected it to do __eat__." |
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| 19:13.14 | [6502] | the man in debian sarge is ... hmmm... cryptic |
| 19:13.36 | tarzeau | [6502]: do it here |
| 19:13.50 | tarzeau | !nickometer [6502] |
| 19:13.51 | dpkg | '[6502]' is 43.000% lame, tarzeau |
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| 19:14.00 | SerajewelKS | Illusia: that's not a question. |
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| 19:14.23 | Pakety | Hi |
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| 19:14.41 | stew | Illusia: do you know which kernel module it needs? |
| 19:14.57 | adeptwiz | 6502 rocks :) |
| 19:14.58 | Pakety | hi |
| 19:15.08 | Varis2 | hmm only 122 packages to get - I must have forgotten a lot of things |
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| 19:15.11 | Mike3 | tarzeau, wow, hwinfo sure is detailed...its very nice thank you...I see PROC_1 Intel Xeon and PROC_2 Intel Xeon |
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| 19:15.15 | Severy | hi all |
| 19:15.19 | ryan` | anyone have any opinion on bl.spamcop.net? Is it resaonable safe for blocking mail? |
| 19:15.20 | Varis2 | acroread is not in debian any more? :-/ |
| 19:15.25 | abrotman | hopefully not |
| 19:15.26 | Eulex | adeptwiz, sure does |
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| 19:15.30 | SerajewelKS | Varis2: gpdf |
| 19:15.30 | tarzeau | Varis2: it never was |
| 19:15.39 | tarzeau | Varis2: acroread is not free software |
| 19:15.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: in .. potato .. i think it was in non-free |
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| 19:15.46 | Varis2 | it was in non-free |
| 19:15.47 | abrotman | i'm not even sure it was in woody |
| 19:15.49 | Illusia | I run mepis but it is basically debian and my nic no more workee since jumping from hotplug to udev I saw under google udev davicom a formal bug number attached by debian bugs...just looking for a recent feed from anyone |
| 19:15.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: it wasn't distributed on cds |
| 19:15.53 | abrotman | !mepis |
| 19:15.53 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 19:15.53 | adeptwiz | eulex: first real micro I learned :) |
| 19:15.55 | tarzeau | Varis2: that's not debian |
| 19:15.57 | Pakety | all well |
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| 19:16.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: non-free is part of debian |
| 19:16.06 | tarzeau | Illusia: no it's not |
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| 19:16.09 | tarzeau | !based on debian |
| 19:16.09 | dpkg | Sorry you're not running Debian, but something based off of it. If you're lucky you might get help in #debian, otherwise your best bet is to use the support channel for your chosen distro. If people tell you to go there, please don't argue/complain or demand support |
| 19:16.14 | Azar | Illusia, mepis goes to ubuntu they dropped debian |
| 19:16.29 | tarzeau | !they don't know |
| 19:16.29 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 19:16.39 | Severy | can someone tell me where to find the x header files and link-time libraries? |
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| 19:16.59 | DevilChaos | yeah but debian still kicks ass |
| 19:16.59 | Illusia | not true...just pending decision |
| 19:17.02 | caracal | in etch and sid, was dpkg-reconfigure replaced by something else, or moved to another package? (this is what i get for not keeping up!) |
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| 19:17.14 | stew | Severy: in which version of debian? |
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| 19:17.27 | Severy | kernel version? |
| 19:17.27 | SerajewelKS | Illusia: what's not true |
| 19:17.35 | Illusia | oh wow thanks for the help....hehe |
| 19:17.41 | loca|host | z |
| 19:17.43 | loca|host | hello |
| 19:17.44 | DevilChaos | ubuntu dont know about but mepis good for recovery stuff |
| 19:17.46 | Illusia | mepis is not ubuntu yet |
| 19:17.50 | caracal | or i guess the functionality could just have been dropped ... but that seems unlikely, it was too useful |
| 19:17.55 | Illusia | warren is making up his mind |
| 19:17.56 | Azar | well the maintainers think Etch is changing too fast, they can't keep track with it Illusia |
| 19:18.01 | loca|host | how to activate a module at boot, there s no /etc/modules in my sarge |
| 19:18.05 | stew | Severy: no, which version of debian? stable? testing? unstable? ubuntu? |
| 19:18.05 | cecile | midi sound rocks :D |
| 19:18.05 | Severy | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:18.09 | jfs | caracal: are you root? (: |
| 19:18.09 | DevilChaos | ubuntu is also debian based |
| 19:18.12 | stew | Severy: xlibs-dev |
| 19:18.13 | SerajewelKS | DevilChaos: whether mepis is based on debian or ubuntu is irrelevant. it is *not debian*. |
| 19:18.17 | SerajewelKS | gat |
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| 19:18.24 | DevilChaos | i know this |
| 19:18.25 | cecile | *listening to beverlyhills90210.mid |
| 19:18.26 | Severy | phew... i dunno... hehe i know its the net install hehe |
| 19:18.27 | SerajewelKS | s/DevilChaos/Illusia/ |
| 19:18.29 | Diegote | Hi, all. Why are /dev/input/event* only readable by root? I want to receive keyboard events with a user script... |
| 19:18.32 | stew | cecile: we don't care |
| 19:18.40 | [6502] | cecile: i think the timidity piano is close to awful |
| 19:18.46 | Illusia | there are so many folks in here gotta have touch skin to avoid the burn hehehe |
| 19:18.46 | DevilChaos | thats why they suck and debian kicks bill gates butt! |
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| 19:18.48 | caracal | jfs: ah, ahem, no ... or rather, was using sudo and tab completion ... thanks mucho! |
| 19:18.51 | SerajewelKS | cecile: turn that off |
| 19:18.55 | loca|host | hello |
| 19:19.02 | SerajewelKS | cecile: or is that not a script.. |
| 19:19.07 | loca|host | where's the /etc/modules in debian sarge please |
| 19:19.10 | Azar | cecile...go brag to a social chat room about your music |
| 19:19.16 | stew | loca|host: /etc/modules |
| 19:19.16 | SerajewelKS | loca|host: /etc/modules |
| 19:19.20 | cecile | stew: i had some problems under debian with it, so let me have my victory :) |
| 19:19.31 | Severy | im trying the xlibs-dev |
| 19:19.42 | loca|host | i dont have it :( what's the matter ? |
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| 19:19.57 | Azar | cecile, debian is not a media player.. |
| 19:19.59 | [6502] | bah... no private messages |
| 19:20.00 | stew | loca|host: you are either not running debian or someone deleted it from your system |
| 19:20.01 | lepton | Diegote: perhaps to keep other user from reading your inputs? |
| 19:20.07 | DevilChaos | cecile : ur sad 90210.mid do a search for godsmack beleive album song 1 should do |
| 19:20.14 | cecile | hehe |
| 19:20.16 | tarzeau | cecile: tried opencubicplayer yet? |
| 19:20.18 | Pakety | Hello my friends |
| 19:20.24 | Severy | it was the right file... thx... but now i get alot of errors hehe |
| 19:20.27 | SerajewelKS | loca|host: you don't *need* /etc/modules |
| 19:20.31 | Severy | cant even install a chess game lol |
| 19:20.32 | cecile | tarzeau: no, just kmid(i) and timidity |
| 19:20.34 | Azar | Pakety: ask your question |
| 19:20.41 | SerajewelKS | loca|host: if it's not there and you want to put something in it, just create the file |
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| 19:20.44 | Varis2 | hmm so does that mean that woody or whatever was more than debian? :-) |
| 19:20.49 | loca|host | okay |
| 19:20.51 | loca|host | :) |
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| 19:20.55 | loca|host | thx |
| 19:20.57 | tarzeau | cecile: givt it a try, it's nice |
| 19:21.00 | SerajewelKS | loca|host: np |
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| 19:21.08 | tarzeau | cecile: timidity -intrl the.mid? |
| 19:21.10 | SerajewelKS | Varis2: what? |
| 19:21.11 | Illusia | tnx bye bye all |
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| 19:21.23 | Varis2 | since distribution which includes non-free is not debian... |
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| 19:21.27 | Diegote | lepton: That makes sense... :) What should I do then? I made a python script to manage my multimedia keyboard events... should I make it setuid root? |
| 19:21.35 | stew | Varis2: if you mean woody main + non-free then yes, since non-free isn't considered part of debian |
| 19:21.40 | Azar | Varis2: you know what non-free is? |
| 19:21.44 | cecile | tarzeau: yes, i am actually apt-getting it |
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| 19:21.51 | Varis2 | roughly |
| 19:21.57 | mwillis | Hello |
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| 19:22.08 | Pakety | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.13 | Severy | is there a way to get my sb audigy to work? i have read and tryed various articles about it but it just doesnt work :( |
| 19:22.15 | mwillis | I am having major problems with dpkg --set-selections |
| 19:22.26 | stew | Severy: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 19:22.26 | mwillis | and apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 19:22.27 | Azar | Varis2: there are commercial software (proprietary) and open source (non-proprietary) |
| 19:22.27 | Varis2 | but distribution is what you get from apt by my account |
| 19:22.28 | DevilChaos | lol bye :) |
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| 19:22.51 | mwillis | I can't get it to revert to a previous package set |
| 19:23.04 | Varis2 | azar: if put vaguely... I think sometimes open source ended up in non-free too... because it was not really free software |
| 19:23.05 | Azar | Varis2: 99% of driver software is non-free, proprietary |
| 19:23.08 | Severy | ? |
| 19:23.17 | SerajewelKS | stew: non-free isn't debian? whatever. |
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| 19:23.30 | stew | SerajewelKS: its not, according to the social contract |
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| 19:23.35 | mwillis | Does anyone know about dpkg --set-selections? |
| 19:23.36 | tavo | hello |
| 19:23.55 | stew | mwillis: you mean you wish to undo what you did with dpkg --set-selections? |
| 19:23.57 | mwillis | Is there a way I can force my selections in there, such as a config file? |
| 19:24.00 | tarzeau | Azar: open source can be proprietary too |
| 19:24.00 | SerajewelKS | stew: maybe not DFSG-compatible stuff, but debian should support it to some extent |
| 19:24.01 | mwillis | Yes! |
| 19:24.02 | cecile | tarzeau: what is the program called now? weird that after installation I see no opencubicplayer |
| 19:24.03 | mwillis | :) |
| 19:24.05 | tarzeau | Azar: you mean free software |
| 19:24.06 | S4nD3r | tem jeito de instalar o openoffice.org sem instalar o lixo do kaffe ?? |
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| 19:24.11 | S4nD3r | nao gosto dakele kaffe |
| 19:24.12 | Pakety | This site is so that type of question? |
| 19:24.16 | tarzeau | cecile: dpkg -L opencubicplayer |grep bin |
| 19:24.20 | tarzeau | cecile: gives you ocp |
| 19:24.20 | Azar | Varis2: since the system needs drivers and some other software related to the good working of the hardware, the non-free packages are needed, but they are NOT part of Debian system |
| 19:24.28 | tarzeau | cecile: randomize-lines is rl too... |
| 19:24.28 | Varis2 | tarz: how can open source be proprietary? example? |
| 19:24.29 | mwillis | stew: I want to pipe my old package list into --set-selections |
| 19:24.39 | stew | SerajewelKS: yes debian provides support for it but doesn't consider it part of debian. read the social contract |
| 19:24.40 | tarzeau | Varis2: it can very well be |
| 19:24.43 | Azar | tarzeau, yes, but many newbies think : free as in no $$ charges |
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| 19:24.52 | tavo | I'm spanish |
| 19:24.53 | tarzeau | Azar: then you need to explain |
| 19:24.59 | Azar | !es |
| 19:25.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:25.00 | SerajewelKS | stew: does debian consider contrib part of debian? |
| 19:25.01 | stew | mwillis: do you have the old list? or you are trying to figure out how to get it? |
| 19:25.04 | stew | SerajewelKS: no |
| 19:25.07 | mwillis | stew: Yes |
| 19:25.11 | mwillis | stew: I have it |
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| 19:25.36 | Pakety | Somebody can answer does not know to only say me Portuguese English? |
| 19:25.42 | Varis2 | azar: if they are in the same distribution tree/server I would consider them part of debian system |
| 19:25.43 | Azar | Varis some linux distros charge for their OS: they are commercial but their source code is Open Source (non proprietary) |
| 19:25.47 | tavo | kabrones kontestad |
| 19:25.48 | abrotman | !br |
| 19:25.48 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:25.50 | mwillis | stew: I do: dpkg --set-selections < mylist ; apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 19:25.53 | stew | mwillis: but when you --set-setlections again with a new list its not seeming to have an effect? |
| 19:25.56 | dondelelcaro | mwillis: so pipe it into set selections; you want something like awk '{print $2 " installed"}' packagelist|dpkg --set-selections |
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| 19:26.06 | mwillis | stew: right |
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| 19:26.16 | Varis2 | azar: you can be commercial even if you don't charge like that... |
| 19:26.24 | tavo | someone talk spanish?? |
| 19:26.30 | Eulex | !es |
| 19:26.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:26.30 | britt | hey anybody got anything else to change to see if my segmentation faults go away? |
| 19:26.37 | Azar | Varis2: give example |
| 19:26.38 | mwillis | dondelelcaro: I send it to set-selections, but it forgets about it immediately |
| 19:26.41 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yeah .. dpkg doesn't like !info anymore |
| 19:26.42 | britt | already did drive and memory |
| 19:26.50 | dondelelcaro | !+info xserver-xor |
| 19:26.55 | S4nD3r | is ? |
| 19:26.56 | stew | mwillis: are the packages giving trouble Half-installed? (h in the second column of dpkg -i output) |
| 19:26.57 | tavo | please |
| 19:27.03 | Severy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.08 | tavo | habla conmigo |
| 19:27.08 | Pakety | Because to use Free Software? |
| 19:27.09 | dondelelcaro | tavo: try #debian-es; we don't speak spanish here. |
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| 19:27.14 | S4nD3r | Is possible to install openoffice.org without to install kaffe??? |
| 19:27.15 | stew | SerajewelKS: be more specific |
| 19:27.20 | stew | Severy: ^^^ |
| 19:27.21 | Varis2 | azar: I think the Maemo platform for Nokia 770 for example could be seen as free software, and you can get it for no charge, still I would say what Nokia is doing is pretty much commercial |
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| 19:27.23 | S4nD3r | Everytime, kaffe is installed too.... |
| 19:27.25 | TinoW | hi |
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| 19:27.33 | tavo | da igual |
| 19:27.36 | cecile | tarzeau: looks very dos like :) |
| 19:27.45 | cecile | tarzeau: get a genera error :D |
| 19:27.48 | Troebadoer | I can't use apt anymore (cant install or remove anything) because of this system-tools-backends3pc thing. Is there any solution for this |
| 19:27.50 | tarzeau | cecile: it got ported from dos :) |
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| 19:27.53 | mwillis | stew: hmm I'm not sure how to figure out if I have any half-installed |
| 19:27.57 | Severy | im still a newb hehe |
| 19:27.57 | dondelelcaro | !tell Troebadoer -about bat |
| 19:28.01 | Azar | Varis2: you should find out what OS they are using.. |
| 19:28.09 | mwillis | stew: I got clobbered by a ton of packages I didn't want |
| 19:28.12 | Varis2 | azar: Linux |
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| 19:28.33 | Azar | Varis2: then it uses Open Source, non proprietary formats |
| 19:28.51 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: no, it requires a java runtime environment. |
| 19:28.56 | stew | S4nD3r: install some other package that provides java2-runtime |
| 19:28.58 | Varis2 | yes, and it still is a commercial project, and parts of the software could be categorized as commercial |
| 19:29.09 | S4nD3r | I installed j2sdk |
| 19:29.17 | Azar | Varis2: free as in "free to use the code" not free as in "no money charged" |
| 19:29.22 | Troebadoer | thx |
| 19:29.31 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: did you use the java-package method of installation? |
| 19:29.34 | stew | S4nD3r: which as far as i know is either kaffe or a non-free java installed with java-package |
| 19:29.36 | cecile | tarzeau: lol exit with "esc" ctrl+C does not work, what an experience :D |
| 19:29.42 | abrotman | TinoW: probably a loop |
| 19:29.46 | mwillis | stew: is there anything I can do to get it to accept set-selections? |
| 19:29.48 | tavo | dondelecaro is very stupid |
| 19:29.50 | Varis2 | Azar, the point is they don't charge _for the software_ |
| 19:29.51 | tarzeau | cecile: double esc |
| 19:29.57 | abrotman | !tell tavo about es |
| 19:29.59 | Mike3 | does anyone know if the kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp 2.6.8-16sarge1 will work with Megaraid controller |
| 19:30.05 | TinoW | abrotman: its evil. I have to kill it or it brings down my box |
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| 19:30.08 | Varis2 | so free in every sense of the word but still commercial :-= |
| 19:30.10 | Varis2 | :-) |
| 19:30.12 | abrotman | Mike3: i think it does for me .. |
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| 19:30.18 | stew | mwillis: you don't have to do anything, however if you have requested uninstall of a half-installed pacakge it will finish the install before uninstalling it |
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| 19:30.26 | TinoW | abrotman: trying to follow the postinstall scripts but cannot spot the place |
| 19:30.27 | kspath | britt: wrong shell? wrong environment variables set wrongly? |
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| 19:30.29 | mwillis | okay |
| 19:30.40 | Azar | Varis2: for example some printers are chipless their drivers are proprietary ones written for win only. Therefore they might never work with a linux system. That is non-free/proprietary meaning |
| 19:30.47 | abrotman | TinoW: there's an option to make the postinst more verbose iirc .. but i can't remember what it is |
| 19:30.53 | mwillis | stew: one thing it does now is tries to upgrade all of the packages that I am trying to get rid of |
| 19:30.54 | Mike3 | abrotman, thats awesome...what type of machine are you using? Dell PE |
| 19:31.01 | abrotman | Mike3: a VERY old one .. yes |
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| 19:31.11 | stew | mwillis: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 19:31.15 | foobus | Hey, can someone add a blurb in dpkg and update topic to say something about http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc ? Or is that just so obvious it aint worth it? |
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| 19:31.23 | Gumby | does anyone know how to tell if a cpu is smp enabled? will it say in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 19:31.30 | abrotman | Mike3: LSI Logic MegaRAID U.71 254 commands 16 targs 5 chans 7 luns |
| 19:31.31 | britt | kspath: i used it in bash. is IFS="#" kosher, or is there something wrong with using this <real newline> statement before starting my shell script |
| 19:31.33 | cisse | Gumby: they will show up as multiple cpu's |
| 19:31.43 | Varis2 | Azar: yes, even if they published the sources you could not make them work with linux, because they are non-free |
| 19:31.47 | Gumby | cisee: even in a non smp enabled kernel? |
| 19:31.56 | TinoW | Guerin: a - as in one - cpu can never do SMP ;) |
| 19:31.58 | mwillis | stew: what does that mean? |
| 19:32.03 | Pakety | E possivel to use Linux and windows in one alone HD |
| 19:32.05 | Mike3 | abrotman, what command shows that? hwinfo? |
| 19:32.05 | stew | !tell mwillis about bat |
| 19:32.19 | abrotman | Mike3: cat /proc/scsi/megaraid/2 .. at least on my box :) |
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| 19:32.30 | abrotman | Mike3: you can also check /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 19:32.33 | TinoW | Pakety: yes, you can have them on separate partitions |
| 19:32.42 | stew | !tell mwillis about bat |
| 19:32.44 | kspath | britt: you should never have to set IFS like that except in very very special circumstances. |
| 19:32.45 | mwillis | stew: whoa! |
| 19:32.52 | mwillis | stew that is neat! |
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| 19:33.02 | britt | kspath: if i dont, it will treat every space as a new file. |
| 19:33.14 | kspath | britt: get used to it |
| 19:33.17 | Azar | Varis2: to give you an example: quote: "The Nvidia driver is *not* open-source, although the company has allowed an open-source driver to be developed." |
| 19:33.20 | abrotman | Mike3: from /proc/scsi/scsi Vendor: MegaRAID Model: LD0 RAID1 4088R Rev: U.71 |
| 19:33.21 | Seb | so, no fglrx > 8.20 in debian, that wouldn't conflict with x.org > 6.8 ? |
| 19:33.22 | britt | kspath: the script: I |
| 19:33.32 | britt | kspath: huh? |
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| 19:33.34 | foobus | yummy :) |
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| 19:33.37 | britt | get used to it? |
| 19:33.47 | kspath | britt: space as a delimiter |
| 19:33.51 | Mike3 | abrotman, ok , mine says (/proc/scsi/megaraid2/0) LSI Logic MegaRAID 521S 254 commands 16 targs 4 chans 7 luns |
| 19:34.08 | Petaris | When I try to run glxgears I get: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 19:34.08 | Petaris | glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual. |
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| 19:34.20 | britt | if im taking the output from locate and putting it into mv |
| 19:34.21 | kspath | britt: you are likely going about the solution to a problem with the wrong tool or wrong method. |
| 19:34.24 | hueh | Gumby: x86info works for me |
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| 19:34.26 | abrotman | Mike3: well .. all oyu asked was if anyone used the megaraid driver on 2.6.8-2-686-smp .. and i do :) |
| 19:34.27 | Petaris | I also see this: agpgart: Found an AGP 2.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0. |
| 19:34.27 | Petaris | agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode |
| 19:34.31 | Petaris | under dmesg |
| 19:34.41 | britt | but it *Worked* three days ago. |
| 19:34.41 | Petaris | Does anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 19:34.50 | britt | i moved 900 files. |
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| 19:35.05 | britt | i guess the IFS thing *IS* messing it up. |
| 19:35.07 | Mike3 | abrotman, yes thank you..when you do a lsmod what do you see relating to the megaraid drive |
| 19:35.16 | Mike3 | abrotman, drive=driver |
| 19:35.41 | Pakety | How you make the installation? |
| 19:35.43 | abrotman | Mike3: just megaraid and scsi_mod |
| 19:35.58 | Eulex | !d-i Pakety |
| 19:35.58 | dpkg | Pakety, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:36.02 | abrotman | Mike3: via lsmod | grep mega |
| 19:36.13 | stew | Pakety: /msg dpkg ig |
| 19:36.31 | abrotman | !drxx Pakety |
| 19:36.31 | dpkg | Pakety: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:36.32 | Mike3 | abrotman, mine says megaraid2, also have a scsi_mod |
| 19:36.40 | abrotman | Mike3: and it doesn't work ? |
| 19:36.55 | Gumby | hueh: fyi lshw also will show it |
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| 19:37.00 | Mike3 | abrotman, no i get a kernel panic and have to reboot |
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| 19:37.43 | Mike3 | abrotman, I think the megaraid2 driver was built into the 2.6 kernel later then sarge was released....2.6.12 or .10 possibly |
| 19:37.59 | hueh | Gumby: Yeah, neat - cheers, never used lshw before. |
| 19:39.02 | Pakety | I am entering now in this world of Free Software and I do not have much notion, which is my first step? |
| 19:39.31 | SerajewelKS | Pakety: install stuff |
| 19:39.40 | abrotman | Mike3: but it works in 2.4? |
| 19:39.43 | Ronin | install debian then apps on it |
| 19:40.32 | parsek_77 | can i prevent users change their home directories' permissions? |
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| 19:40.45 | GomoX | bah |
| 19:40.50 | Mike3 | abrotman, yes |
| 19:40.54 | GomoX | -colorspace Gray |
| 19:41.03 | Pakety | Which is this material? |
| 19:41.04 | GomoX | -modulate 100,-1 worked too but doesn't seem logical :/ |
| 19:41.14 | Ronin | Pakety: what is what material? |
| 19:41.24 | shale | i'm giving a demo to a bunch of tech-coordinators on installing debian but i only have one hour... i want to put all the latest security updates on a cd so it doesn't have to download them - is that possible? |
| 19:41.33 | Varis2 | Pakety: have you installed Linux yet? |
| 19:41.36 | Troebadoer | What I call typical linux problem : how can i remove gnome-system-tools as its giving error when i want to install kdenetworkconf. However when i try to remove it by apt or synaptic I can't remove it becaus it wants to install the kdenetworkconf first.. how do i get out of this circle? |
| 19:42.12 | hueh | parsek_77: make them owned by root? |
| 19:42.40 | parsek_77 | hueh, thanks |
| 19:42.42 | GomoX | Troebadoer: apt-get -f isntall should fix kdenetthing and remove gnome-thing too |
| 19:42.59 | parsek_77 | hueh, is it the only solution? |
| 19:43.17 | madclicker | is there a way to export unix users to sqlbased or ldap based authentication? |
| 19:43.23 | Ungy | anyone know if there is a key for debian unofficial? |
| 19:43.27 | Troebadoer | not realy |
| 19:44.09 | falco_toadfoot | when will udev 0.084-5 be available via apt? |
| 19:44.11 | Eulex | Ungy, most official repos all have different keys. |
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| 19:44.41 | Pakety | Therefore it is not this that I am trying to make? Only necessary of a clearer explanation, therefore I want to install Linux and Windows in one alone HD? |
| 19:45.01 | Troebadoer | gomox that would want to install the kdenetworkconf again that can't be installed aslong as this gnome-system-tools is there.. that i can't seem to remove aslong as knetworkconf ain't installed |
| 19:45.02 | Ronin | Pakety: yes you can dual boot windowx and linux |
| 19:45.25 | abrotman | Mike3: try without -smp |
| 19:45.31 | chealer | falco_toadfoot: now |
| 19:46.10 | judgen | hmm, all versions of debian i have tried refuses to recognize the other processor... really getting annoyed |
| 19:46.16 | falco_toadfoot | chealer: aptitude still shows 0.084-4 as the newest version |
| 19:46.19 | falco_toadfoot | I _just_ updated |
| 19:46.21 | judgen | and, yes i have smp opteron kernel |
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| 19:46.59 | Pakety | How and either I specify well? |
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| 19:47.11 | hueh | parsek_77: I think so - why are you trying to stop users changing permissions? |
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| 19:47.13 | Ronin | Pakety: may i suggest a debian channel in your native tongue? |
| 19:47.35 | Eulex | !br |
| 19:47.35 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 19:47.56 | Ronin | Pakety: install windows first, leave free space for debian, tell debian to install to free space (basically) |
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| 19:48.13 | Mike3 | abrotman, you mean try installing the kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 2.6.8-16sarge1 rather than kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp 2.6.8-16sarge1 |
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| 19:48.50 | kippi | has anyone used exim and debian? |
| 19:48.53 | falco_toadfoot | chealer: should I use some specific mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 19:49.03 | falco_toadfoot | kippi: yes |
| 19:49.23 | kippi | falco_toadfoot: I am getting this error, any ideas why? Unrouteable address |
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| 19:49.45 | Pakety | Debtor |
| 19:49.51 | falco_toadfoot | kippi: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:49.59 | Eulex | kippi, exim is part of the debian base install. therefore most debian users use exim. |
| 19:50.10 | kippi | falco_toadfoot: send an test e-mail |
| 19:50.30 | kippi | falco_toadfoot: I am just trying to set it up |
| 19:50.35 | falco_toadfoot | kippi: have you set up exim correctly with the dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? |
| 19:50.42 | Pakety | it looks at I I wanted to say to it very obliged |
| 19:51.05 | fiXXXerMet | Hi everyone - my email server is SuSE9.3. I recently installed debian on a home server and I've got to say I'm very impressed. Is there any kind of a 'best practices'/guide thing for migrating to a new distro? |
| 19:51.06 | Eulex | kippi, setting it up for what? |
| 19:51.22 | kippi | Eulex: external mail |
| 19:51.28 | Mike3 | abrotman, does this make any sense to you...im sending you a msg |
| 19:51.31 | Mike3 | using the name megaraid (not megaraid2). This will cause the wrong |
| 19:51.31 | Mike3 | megaraid driver to be present on the initrd. |
| 19:51.31 | Mike3 | A work around is to add a line with megaraid2 to |
| 19:51.32 | Mike3 | (ie. On tty2, after the installation of mkinitrd and before the |
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| 19:51.57 | Mike3 | sorry |
| 19:52.08 | Eulex | kippi, umh... to 'connect' it to an external smtp and pop3 server? |
| 19:52.24 | Mike3 | MSG abrotman are you there |
| 19:52.40 | Troebadoer | it even gets funier : can't remove kde becaus i don't have knetworkconf |
| 19:52.42 | Azar | :) |
| 19:53.17 | falco_toadfoot | chealer: just updated package list again from ftp.debian.org..still 0.084-4 shows up as the newest version |
| 19:53.19 | Pakety | thank you!!!!!!! |
| 19:53.21 | kippi | I want to be able to send and recive mail to my box |
| 19:53.35 | Pakety | :) |
| 19:53.46 | Troebadoer | but then again my car won't start when its dark outside aswell |
| 19:53.54 | chealer | falco_toadfoot: I don't think you can get packages from incoming via APT without special privileges. just download the deb manually |
| 19:53.55 | falco_toadfoot | kippi: maybe you should use imaps? |
| 19:54.11 | shale | i'm giving a demo to a bunch of tech-coordinators on installing debian but i only have one hour... i want to put all the latest security updates on a cd so it doesn't have to download them - is that possible? |
| 19:54.19 | falco_toadfoot | chealer: that's the problem..I don't know where to get it :p |
| 19:54.31 | chealer | !tell falco_toadfoot about incoming |
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| 19:54.50 | kippi | hmm now getting all relevant MX records point to non-existent hosts |
| 19:54.55 | falco_toadfoot | chealer: thanks, again :) |
| 19:55.59 | shale | please |
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| 19:57.26 | TTimo | lo. has there been any reports of sid / official 2.6.15 kernel not booting anymore ? |
| 19:57.28 | abrotman | Mike3: kind of :) |
| 19:57.33 | Azar | kippi: http://talk.trekweb.com/~jasonb/articles/exim_maildir_imap.shtml |
| 19:57.39 | abrotman | Mike3: yes .. try the non-smp one |
| 19:57.53 | stew | TTimo: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:57.54 | Mike3 | abrotman, k ill try now |
| 19:58.19 | kippi | Azar: thanks |
| 19:58.22 | TTimo | yeah the bts doesn't carry anything useful at this point |
| 19:58.25 | Azar | shale, no security updates come via apt-get on a ready installed Debian |
| 19:58.42 | TTimo | there was some udev bug yesterday / got fixed this morning which looked close to the problem, but no go |
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| 19:58.49 | Azar | shale, one hour it is not enough to train a bunch of people |
| 19:58.58 | shale | thank you Azar |
| 19:59.07 | Ronin | Azar: it is though to give a demo |
| 19:59.09 | shale | who said anything about train? I just want to show them the install process. |
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| 19:59.25 | SerajewelKS | Azar: for stable, you can enable security updates when installing debian |
| 19:59.29 | TTimo | actually, if there's a place somewhere that explains in understandable terms this whole initramfs insanity in the recent kernels, I'd gladly go read it to try understanding why it's screwed up like that |
| 19:59.39 | Azar | shale: basic demo: installation, apt HOWTO, kernel upgrade. |
| 20:00.02 | Azar | SerajewelKS: ah there is an auto update ? |
| 20:00.05 | TTimo | kernel lists my IDE drives, and two lines later bumps me up saying /dev/hda1 doesn't exist |
| 20:00.12 | shale | i plan to just run through the install, enable samba, and show them how to access it from another puder. |
| 20:00.14 | SerajewelKS | Azar: what? |
| 20:00.15 | Eulex | shale, not many packages in the base install have been affected by security updates. if you really can't afford downloading at most a few megs, set up apt-cacher on a server and let them point their sources.lists to it. |
| 20:00.20 | shale | "mission critical debian file server" |
| 20:00.25 | SerajewelKS | Azar: i'm talking about the netinstall |
| 20:00.30 | zinx | TTimo: sounds a lot like udev breakage |
| 20:00.33 | Azar | SerajewelKS: ah I see |
| 20:00.35 | TTimo | yeah it does |
| 20:00.40 | shale | Eulex: apt-cacher ? |
| 20:00.46 | TTimo | I was following http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=352753 |
| 20:01.00 | Eulex | !apt-cacher |
| 20:01.00 | dpkg | i guess apt-cacher is a caching proxy designed specifically for use by Apt. at http://www.apt-cacher.org/, or a nifty tool |
| 20:01.02 | SerajewelKS | shale: just use the netinstall, it will ask you if you want to enable security updates before it installs packages |
| 20:01.03 | TTimo | which may or may not be my problem |
| 20:01.23 | shale | SerajewelKS the netinstl takes too long |
| 20:01.24 | TTimo | still, I got the "fixed" one installed, and reinstalled a fresh kernel with an initramfs generation |
| 20:01.26 | TTimo | still broken |
| 20:01.35 | jetscreamer | udev + 2.6 really bites, for me and my addin controller card |
| 20:01.54 | shale | thx Eulex, i'll look into apt-cacher when their site is back up |
| 20:02.10 | Eulex | shale, with apt-cacher, you will just have to download the security updates once. |
| 20:02.24 | Azar | shale since system packages installations are handled by apt you should read and teach your people what is made of, how it works and how to use it. wgets (net installations) are not very used in these situations |
| 20:02.24 | zinx | TTimo: are you getting a shell, or is it just panicing? |
| 20:02.27 | jetscreamer | TTimo: 2.6 module loading order or something perhaps. vorlon explained it to me very well |
| 20:02.30 | TTimo | yeah shell |
| 20:02.42 | Eulex | shale, it's pretty easy to set up, btw. |
| 20:02.46 | TTimo | the early busybox one .. the one you can't do anything useful with except reboot :) |
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| 20:02.53 | zinx | TTimo: lsmod may be helpful, then.. you may need to modprobe/mount some stuff before you can get that, though :x |
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| 20:03.12 | shale | Azar: i don't want to teach 'em anything ;) ..... just let them watch the process so they can get a glimpse at the non-Macintosh world. |
| 20:03.15 | Mike3 | abrotman, i put the error message in the other window |
| 20:03.21 | Eulex | shale, http://pdo.debian.net/stable/net/apt-cacher |
| 20:03.23 | abrotman | Mike3: other window? |
| 20:03.38 | falco_toadfoot | TinoW: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=352753 |
| 20:03.40 | falco_toadfoot | maybe? |
| 20:03.55 | TTimo | yeah that's the one I pasted above |
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| 20:04.17 | falco_toadfoot | oh, sorry |
| 20:04.30 | Mike3 | abrotman, I just sent a DCC chat request |
| 20:04.32 | falco_toadfoot | TTimo: didn't 0.084-5 solve it? |
| 20:04.33 | TTimo | jetscreamer, as I understand you're hitting the same thing ? |
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| 20:04.45 | abrotman | Mike3: i didn't get it .. use #flood |
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| 20:04.53 | Eulex | !dcc |
| 20:04.53 | dpkg | dcc is, like, a protocol used for sending files on IRC. <asuffield> I suggest burning all people who offer dcc connections, or The Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse or DCC is a cooperative, distributed system intended to detect "bulk" mail or mail sent to many people. http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/, or see <dcc alliance> |
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| 20:04.59 | Azar | shale just a quickie: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=130 |
| 20:05.10 | TTimo | well I'm not sure .. since I have never found documentation on the initramfs crapolata .. once I upgrade udev, I need to build a new initramfs ? |
| 20:05.24 | S4nD3r | when I use kaffe, all my browser applications become crazy |
| 20:05.26 | S4nD3r | doesnt shows applet java |
| 20:05.27 | zinx | TTimo: i think dpkg-reconfigure on the kernel package will rebuild the initramfs |
| 20:05.30 | S4nD3r | Thats why I dont want to use kave |
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| 20:05.32 | S4nD3r | kaffe |
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| 20:05.36 | Mike3 | abrotman, ok i put it in flood |
| 20:05.38 | TTimo | is it at all possible to not use the initramfs crap, like old school initrd only ? |
| 20:05.38 | S4nD3r | I really prefer native java |
| 20:05.43 | shale | Azar thank you |
| 20:05.44 | zinx | TTimo: check timestamps though |
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| 20:06.00 | S4nD3r | but to install openoffice.org 2, is necessary to install kaffe |
| 20:06.03 | S4nD3r | What to do ?? |
| 20:06.12 | Usiu | why wireless-toolkit has non-standar version |
| 20:06.14 | Azar | shale, you are welcome |
| 20:06.21 | abrotman | Mike3: in 2.6 .. i don't think it's called megaraid2 anymore |
| 20:06.46 | Usiu | I mean strange 27+28 I cant configure app that depend on 28pre6 |
| 20:06.52 | Eulex | Usiu, no such thing in debian at all |
| 20:07.00 | S4nD3r | Is there a solution ? |
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| 20:07.30 | Usiu | Eulex, wireless-toolkit 27+28pre14-1 |
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| 20:07.47 | Usiu | Eulex, configure: error: wireless-tools >= 28pre9 not installed |
| 20:07.51 | TTimo | would I have better luck with yaird instead of initramfs-tools maybe |
| 20:07.52 | kikov | hello.. is it possible to identify a debian system ( version ) by reading a file like you can do in redhat-based distros with /etc/redhat-release |
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| 20:07.56 | kikov | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.06 | falco_toadfoot | TTimo: dpkg-reconfigure <kernelpackage> will rebuild it.. just tested |
| 20:08.07 | Ronin | kikov: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:08.13 | Eulex | Usiu, ah, you mean wireless-tools. that way of specifying a version is how you do it with pre-release versions. |
| 20:08.17 | frectie | know anyone why every time when i reboot i have to run alsaconf ?? coz is just null output device? pls |
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| 20:08.28 | somePriest | Is there a really good book for learning Debian/Linux from an admin's point of view? Something more geared towards mid level knowledge people? |
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| 20:08.44 | Usiu | Eulex, do you know any quick fix for this ? |
| 20:08.55 | kikov | Ronin, yes.. just for debian is really good.. but, is there something to identify "real" debian from "ubuntus" or another debian-based distros ? |
| 20:08.56 | S4nD3r | when I use kaffe, all my browser applications become crazy |
| 20:09.00 | S4nD3r | doesnt shows applet java |
| 20:09.01 | Eulex | Usiu, no. check the config.log. see what errors out. fix it. |
| 20:09.02 | S4nD3r | Thats why I dont want to use kave |
| 20:09.06 | S4nD3r | kaffe |
| 20:09.10 | S4nD3r | I really prefer native java |
| 20:09.14 | S4nD3r | but to install openoffice.org 2, is necessary to install kaffe |
| 20:09.15 | TTimo | falco_toadfoot, ok gonna try that |
| 20:09.18 | S4nD3r | What to do ?? |
| 20:09.20 | kikov | root@HOARY:/etc$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:09.20 | kikov | 3.1 |
| 20:09.20 | kikov | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.24 | S4nD3r | Is there a solution ? |
| 20:09.31 | Mike3 | abrotman, this is basically what I get when trying to install the 2.6 non smp kernel....FATAL: Module megaraid2 not found. WARNING: This failure MAY indicate that your kernel will not boot! but it can also be triggered by needed modules being compiled into the kernel. |
| 20:09.34 | abrotman | kikov: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 20:10.40 | stew | S4nD3r: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 20:10.40 | falco_toadfoot | TTimo: have you installed the 0.084-5 udev? |
| 20:10.40 | abrotman | Mike3: in 2.6 .. i don't think it's called megaraid2 anymore .. just megaraid |
| 20:10.40 | TTimo | yeah I did |
| 20:10.40 | Eulex | !tell S4nD3r about enter |
| 20:10.40 | TTimo | grabbed it from incoming |
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| 20:10.40 | Eulex | !tell S4nD3r about repeat |
| 20:10.40 | kikov | abrotman, debian has not marks... |
| 20:10.41 | S4nD3r | sorry |
| 20:10.41 | kikov | well.. thx, abrotman and Ronin |
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| 20:11.16 | antifuchs_ | hi everybody. where can I get xserver-{common,xorg} .debs for 6.8.3 that work in unstable? my xserver-xorg 6.9.0 goes into an endless loop initing the mga driver with my new mga g550, so I'd like to try with an older server |
| 20:11.25 | Mike3 | abrotman, so the megaraid driver module needs to be renamed? |
| 20:11.38 | abrotman | Mike3: no . you need to load the megaraid driver .. not the megaraid2 |
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| 20:11.42 | S4nD3r | this dont solve my problem |
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| 20:12.05 | streuner | antifuchs_: is g550 supported by xorg? |
| 20:12.05 | stew | S4nD3r: why not? |
| 20:12.16 | antifuchs_ | streuner: afaik, all the g* cards are. |
| 20:12.17 | TTimo | nope exactly the same |
| 20:12.18 | stew | streuner: yes, it is |
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| 20:12.51 | Mike3 | abrotman, I have never done that...what do i do basically? where can i get the megaraid driver? |
| 20:12.59 | streuner | antifuchs_: what does BTS say about? |
| 20:12.59 | antifuchs_ | it's the parhelia/p* cards that need the evil matrox binary driver |
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| 20:13.02 | abrotman | Mike3: it's already there .. |
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| 20:13.12 | TTimo | I have a line "hda: hda1 hda2 < hda5 hda6 >" |
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| 20:13.24 | antifuchs_ | streuner: one suggests to disable glx, which doesn't help - same failure mode. |
| 20:13.26 | piclez | hi folks |
| 20:13.27 | TTimo | and then after Being: Mounting root file system .. |
| 20:13.28 | abrotman | Mike3: put your /etc/modules in #flood |
| 20:13.28 | stew | antifuchs_: does it work with the vesa driver and just not with the mga driver? |
| 20:13.29 | antifuchs_ | another suggests downgrade |
| 20:13.30 | Mike3 | abrotman, when i do a lsmod i see megaraid2, so i can just copy that and rename it?? |
| 20:13.46 | abrotman | Mike3: that's for 2.4 .. in 2.6 i'm pretty sure it's just 'megaraid' |
| 20:13.46 | TTimo | I just get "/dev/hda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" |
| 20:13.48 | antifuchs_ | which I was trying, but I can't find 6.8.x binaries |
| 20:13.56 | TTimo | is there anything useful I can do from there? |
| 20:13.59 | streuner | antifuchs_: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 20:14.07 | antifuchs_ | oh, nice |
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| 20:14.11 | CamiloSan | I need help with tar. I erroneously passed the wrong switche sto tar and fear I may have corrupted to original file. I tried *tar -czvf <infile> <outfile>* I naturally got san error message but not original <infile> is 10k instead of 83MB. Anyone have any ideas on how to restore? Or is the file trashed? |
| 20:14.12 | piclez | how can I suing apt-get, get the php source and re-configure it, please? |
| 20:14.26 | zinx | TTimo: ls /dev, check the process list, check the mounts (cat /proc/mounts, or 'mount') |
| 20:14.31 | Aap | hellow, first timer here |
| 20:14.35 | antifuchs_ | stew: I haven't tried yet, but I think it will; gdb -p says X hangs (with 99% cpu util) in MGAAdjustFrame () from /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.so |
| 20:14.40 | Eulex | piclez, apt-get source |
| 20:14.42 | falco_toadfoot | TTimo: strange.... I don't want to reboot now :p |
| 20:14.45 | antifuchs_ | so, probably an mga_drv.so problem; or my card is broken |
| 20:14.46 | TTimo | yeah /dev is more less empty, /dev/console /dev/nukk |
| 20:14.54 | TTimo | err /dev/null :) |
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| 20:14.57 | zinx | TTimo: try starting udev |
| 20:15.15 | falco_toadfoot | TTimo: what happens if you just exit the shell? |
| 20:15.17 | zinx | TTimo: udev --daemon |
| 20:15.19 | zinx | TTimo: or such |
| 20:15.20 | TTimo | well I already have "udev on /dev type tmpfs" |
| 20:15.26 | zinx | falco_toadfoot: uh, it reboots or halts :) |
| 20:15.34 | piclez | Eulex, thanks a lot man :) and how I get a listing of available sources? |
| 20:15.36 | zinx | TTimo: yeah, but the daemon has to be running too |
| 20:15.50 | zinx | TTimo: tmpfs is just a placeholder thing for it |
| 20:15.50 | falco_toadfoot | zinx: no..? |
| 20:15.53 | streuner | antifuchs_: doesn't matrox ship drivers as well? |
| 20:16.00 | zinx | TTimo: ram/swap-based filesystem, nothing more |
| 20:16.05 | TTimo | udevd is already running |
| 20:16.07 | antifuchs_ | streuner: none that work with xorg 6.9.0! |
| 20:16.14 | zinx | TTimo: hmm |
| 20:16.18 | Eulex | piclez, just apt-get source pkgname. |
| 20:16.19 | falco_toadfoot | TTimo: try typing exit at the busybox shell, and see what happens |
| 20:16.24 | zinx | TTimo: it's b0rked |
| 20:16.28 | antifuchs_ | so. binaries for 6.8.x xorg servers? anyone? |
| 20:16.36 | zinx | TTimo: kill it and restart it, just as a test |
| 20:16.41 | Eulex | antifuchs_, at sdn. |
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| 20:16.44 | zinx | TTimo: preferably without the --daemon |
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| 20:17.04 | yannick | Your server has unexpectedly terminated the connection. Possible causes for this include server problems, network problems, or a long period of inactivity. Account: |
| 20:17.08 | yannick | what could that be? |
| 20:17.10 | streuner | antifuchs_: do you have the URL (bts) handy about? |
| 20:17.16 | yannick | courier log file? |
| 20:17.32 | zinx | TTimo: i'm assuming here that the busybox in the initramfs has kill :) |
| 20:17.35 | yannick | .... of inactivity. Account: 'cautela.nl', Server: 'cautela.nl', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error: 10053, Error Number: 0x800CCC0F |
| 20:17.44 | TTimo | zinx: well I don't have multiple terms in that busybox shell |
| 20:17.45 | piclez | thanks a lot Eulex!! :) |
| 20:17.53 | zinx | TTimo: yeah |
| 20:17.57 | zinx | TTimo: looking for messages |
| 20:18.02 | Eulex | piclez, yw :) |
| 20:18.07 | piclez | Eulex: do u know where it will save the source? ;) |
| 20:18.13 | zinx | TTimo: since there's probably no place to log yet |
| 20:18.16 | TTimo | I should have to mess with the /dev umount/remount? should just kill and restart udevd ? |
| 20:18.18 | adeptwiz | +/help |
| 20:18.24 | zinx | TTimo: just kill/restart udevd |
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| 20:18.32 | TTimo | yeah it didn't give any kind of message on starting it |
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| 20:18.38 | Eulex | piclez, in the current directory. don't remember if it saves archives or directories of extracted stuff. |
| 20:18.42 | zinx | TTimo: ah, ok.. may as well let it daemonize then |
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| 20:18.53 | darkhunter | ÅŸ |
| 20:18.56 | antifuchs_ | streuner: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=352801 is the bug talking about glx |
| 20:19.14 | antifuchs_ | streuner: several others mention the binary-only mga_hal module, which I don't have around |
| 20:19.37 | zinx | TTimo: the kernel stuff may be nice enough to print it out on the console |
| 20:19.48 | adeptwiz | How do I insert text file into my message (so I can include kernel output)? |
| 20:19.51 | antifuchs_ | the failure mode is exactly the same as all the bug reports regarding mga g* cards: black console, no chvt effective |
| 20:19.57 | FlopsyPete | cafuego: just like to say thanks for your advice, I just finished getting a test version of that 'ISP-style' mail server setup you pointed me to yesterday setup and it works fine. I like the way it covers me on features for the future |
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| 20:20.21 | zinx | TTimo: mknod /dev/hda1 b 3 1 |
| 20:20.21 | Petaris | Hello |
| 20:20.26 | Eulex | piclez, it did both |
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| 20:20.37 | Azar | somePriest: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#users-guide |
| 20:20.37 | zinx | TTimo: and you should be able to mount your real root from there, to get access to udevcontrol |
| 20:20.41 | darkhunter | 2.6.15 (unstable) - boot : udev event error ... huuh?? what? |
| 20:20.47 | darkhunter | :-) |
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| 20:20.52 | piclez | Eulex: haha thanks man, u rocks :)) |
| 20:20.58 | TTimo | well I am still able to boot the box on a 2.4 kernel |
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| 20:21.01 | Petaris | If I set the "load glx" parameter in my xorg.conf file I cannot startx |
| 20:21.09 | zinx | TTimo: udevcontrol log_priority=debug |
| 20:21.11 | zinx | TTimo: yeah |
| 20:21.17 | piclez | Eulex: oh I got child process failed, why? |
| 20:21.18 | Eulex | piclez, yw :) |
| 20:21.19 | zinx | TTimo: but udev's screwing up :) |
| 20:21.27 | zinx | TTimo: i don't think udev even supports 2.4 |
| 20:21.28 | Petaris | when I run "glxinfo" I get: Segmentation fault |
| 20:21.32 | piclez | sh: line 1: dpkg-source: command not found |
| 20:21.33 | TTimo | no it doesn't |
| 20:21.34 | Eulex | piclez, hmm... dunno. what does it say above? |
| 20:21.39 | Azar | Eulex did it again! \0/ |
| 20:21.42 | TTimo | which is why 2.4 actually boots ;-) |
| 20:21.47 | zinx | TTimo: yes :) |
| 20:21.58 | zinx | TTimo: i'm just trying to figure out what's going wrong w/ udev at the moment |
| 20:22.06 | antifuchs_ | gna |
| 20:22.08 | piclez | Eulex: Unpack command 'dpkg-source -x php4_4.4.2-1.dsc' failed. |
| 20:22.12 | Eulex | piclez, you need dpkg-source :P |
| 20:22.13 | TTimo | although .. I updated udev but I forgot I remove some settings I played with in udev.conf when I tried to fix it the first time around |
| 20:22.23 | Nwallins | dumb bash question: how can I find out filesize sums (e.g. sum up the filesize output from `ls *.txt`), or at least the total size of all the files in a folder? |
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| 20:22.29 | Eulex | piclez, it's in dpkg-dev |
| 20:22.29 | zinx | TTimo: ah, could be it.. dunno what all it uses |
| 20:22.37 | Aap | I'm 25 years old and this is the first time i come here |
| 20:22.37 | piclez | Eulex: oh danm it, how I get it? apt-get dpkg-dev ? |
| 20:22.54 | Eulex | piclez, yep, with an 'install' in between. |
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| 20:22.59 | Nwallins | also, i know i can hack it using `ls` and `cut`, but I'd rather not use `cut` |
| 20:23.06 | piclez | ops, forgot it haha thanks2 |
| 20:23.19 | elnovato | strange there is no kernel sources for 2.16 at etch @_+ |
| 20:23.23 | stew | antifuchs_: are there bugs filed for your problem? |
| 20:23.31 | Azar | Nwallins I use ytree if that helps you |
| 20:23.32 | streuner | stew: yes |
| 20:23.40 | Nwallins | Azar: checking it out... thanks |
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| 20:23.47 | streuner | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=352801 |
| 20:23.47 | Syn3t3r | Bonsoir! |
| 20:23.54 | i0kI | .. |
| 20:23.54 | streuner | !dbugs 352801 |
| 20:23.55 | stew | streuner: ok, just wanted to make sure |
| 20:23.57 | dpkg | #352801:I[xserver-xorg] xserver-xorg crash with mga driver and glx module; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:48:02 UTC |
| 20:24.08 | stew | elnovato: what do you mean by 2.16? 2.6.16? |
| 20:24.12 | Eulex | Syn3t3r, lut |
| 20:24.18 | Petaris | Does anyone have experiance with this issue |
| 20:24.25 | Azar | Nwallins: mc might be better, I never tried it, I am more easy with ytree |
| 20:24.27 | TTimo | w00t fixed |
| 20:24.28 | elnovato | stew: yes , kernel sources for 2.6.15 i meant |
| 20:24.31 | zinx | Nwallins: du |
| 20:24.35 | falco_toadfoot | TTimo: what did you do? |
| 20:24.42 | zinx | TTimo: \o/ |
| 20:24.47 | De_Mon | Ok, I ran apt-get source asterisk, and it downloaded source and patch, but the patch doesn't appear to be applied? |
| 20:24.47 | TTimo | didn't realize the initramfs would use the mount point I had set in /etc/udev/udevd.conf |
| 20:24.49 | Syn3t3r | Eulex > peut tu me rappeler le nom de la salle fr ? |
| 20:24.58 | Nwallins | zinx: that may be more along the lines of what i'm looking for... command-line based.. thanks |
| 20:25.00 | Eulex | Syn3t3r, haha, I don't speak french :) |
| 20:25.07 | TTimo | I forgot that I had changed it this morning when I was trying to fix this already |
| 20:25.11 | thingfish | Syn3t3r: #debian-fr |
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| 20:25.16 | loggygreg | Syn3t3r: #debian-fr |
| 20:25.21 | stew | elnovato: /msg dpkg why is linux-source-2.6.15 not in testing |
| 20:25.22 | Syn3t3r | thingfish > thx! |
| 20:25.29 | Syn3t3r | Eulex sorry ! |
| 20:25.35 | TTimo | so yeah, new udev package, plus correct settings otherwise .. fixed it .. thanks for the help guys :) |
| 20:25.52 | Eulex | Syn3t3r, no need to be sorry, was me who was fooling you ;) |
| 20:26.05 | frectie | Hello anyone why every time when i reboot i have to run alsaconf ?? coz is just null output device? pls |
| 20:26.06 | elnovato | stew its not at , unestable neither |
| 20:26.34 | elnovato | im wrong |
| 20:26.34 | stew | elnovato: yes it is |
| 20:26.36 | elnovato | IT is |
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| 20:26.42 | elnovato | thanks, getting it |
| 20:26.47 | elnovato | my mistake |
| 20:26.53 | stew | !info linux-source-2.6.15 testing |
| 20:26.55 | antifuchs_ | ok; ubuntu packages won't work. dependency hell. |
| 20:26.57 | stew | elnovato: its in testing as well |
| 20:27.02 | dpkg | linux-source-2.6.15: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.15 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.15-4 (etch), Packaged size: 38474 kB, Installed size: 38504 kB |
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| 20:27.15 | tiCo89 | !info ngircd unstable |
| 20:27.20 | dpkg | ngircd: (Next generation IRC Server), section net, is optional. Version: 0.9.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 74 kB, Installed size: 236 kB |
| 20:27.27 | malex | Hi. I've a Debian router/file server here that doesn't seem to be set up correctly. There are several windows machines behind it. They can resolve each other (all are in /etc/hosts on the router), but a WinXP notebook that gets hooked up to the router and gets its IP from a dhcp server on the router can't resolve any machine by the name, only by IP. |
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| 20:27.56 | malex | I really need to get this setup working as the user who has that notebook is getting on my nerves a lot, hehe. |
| 20:27.57 | epsilon | what are "Debian patches" for Kernel? |
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| 20:28.43 | antifuchs_ | alright. anybody got a leftover 6.8.2.dfsg.1-11 xserver-xorg and xserver-common package for i386? |
| 20:28.49 | streuner | antifuchs_: did you try #xorg? |
| 20:28.54 | stew | antifuchs_: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 20:28.56 | chealer | !tell tiCo89 about msg the bot |
| 20:29.03 | Azar | epsilon: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-source.html |
| 20:29.05 | streuner | antifuchs_: we told you now serveral times |
| 20:29.11 | Eulex | antifuchs_, checked http://snapshot.debian.net yet? |
| 20:29.14 | antifuchs_ | ok; thanks. |
| 20:29.23 | nemontemi | anyone can send me (here or via email) the httpd.conf from apache2? I need that schema that reads virtualhosts from sites-enabled directory |
| 20:29.35 | antifuchs_ | for some reason, typing that command would make dpkg send me random quotes but not the url that it does now. |
| 20:29.38 | antifuchs_ | thanks. |
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| 20:29.59 | epsilon | nemontemi: Include /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/[^.#]* |
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| 20:30.34 | Eulex | antifuchs_, hmm, that's strange |
| 20:31.01 | nemontemi | epsilon: thanks! |
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| 20:31.57 | piclez | Eulex: hi again, I paused, stopped the install dpkg-dev and now it's saying another process is using it, unable to lock de adm dir. /var/lib/dpkg, any idea? |
| 20:31.59 | antifuchs_ | Eulex: maybe I mistyped/mispasted it. don't worry (: |
| 20:32.02 | Aap | tetn |
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| 20:32.15 | piclez | Eulex: should I kill the process and start over again? |
| 20:32.16 | clarissa | debiaaaan :D |
| 20:32.21 | Aap | tetten |
| 20:32.28 | sancho___ | hi. any activity in the works for bringing an openssh-4.3 package into being? |
| 20:32.44 | Eulex | piclez, yes, try that. |
| 20:33.50 | clarissa | someone know the name from that linux game where i can control pinguins? :) with flying etc. ^-^ |
| 20:34.09 | SerajewelKS | clarissa: pingus? |
| 20:34.18 | clarissa | yes :D thank you ^-^ |
| 20:34.21 | Azar | SerajewelKS: I guess she means tuxracer |
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| 20:34.30 | Azar | ah pingus |
| 20:34.35 | SerajewelKS | Azar: no i think she means the lemmings clone |
| 20:34.35 | clarissa | no pingus ^-^ |
| 20:34.51 | Azar | :) lemmings clone! cool |
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| 20:35.01 | clarissa | right this lemmings clone :3 |
| 20:35.04 | clarissa | cute pinguins ^-^ |
| 20:35.06 | SerajewelKS | Azar: it's kinds of lame last time i checked |
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| 20:35.20 | antifuchs_ | ok; older x servers have the same problem. damnit. |
| 20:35.20 | SerajewelKS | Azar: the levels aren't that hard and the game is incomplete |
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| 20:35.38 | Azar | SerajewelKS: no wonder I did not installed it when I picked my games |
| 20:35.43 | sancho___ | SerajewelKS: but there's cute pinguins. |
| 20:35.45 | clarissa | exists ati drivers for debian now? ^^" |
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| 20:35.54 | Eulex | clarissa, of course |
| 20:36.01 | SerajewelKS | sancho___: bzflag has cute tanks, but that's not why i play it |
| 20:36.05 | clarissa | really? O_O cool :D |
| 20:36.14 | sancho___ | SerajewelKS: cute carnage... ? |
| 20:36.25 | clarissa | cause my computer have a x850xt and i thought linux does have problems with ati ^^" |
| 20:36.34 | SerajewelKS | clarissa: if you like cute things, cuteoverload.com |
| 20:36.36 | sancho___ | clarissa: ati has been supported for quite a long time... |
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| 20:36.47 | clarissa | o.o |
| 20:36.47 | madclicker | is there a web front end to bind? |
| 20:36.54 | abrotman | i hope not |
| 20:37.18 | Eulex | clarissa, the ati open source driver is included in X. fglrx is included in unstable, for testing and stable you'd get the debs from there. |
| 20:37.20 | sancho___ | madclicker: webmin should have something. one would ask why though. |
| 20:37.24 | clarissa | thank you SerajewelKS ^-^ |
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| 20:37.44 | beetlepun | hi, anyone using mysql? the last two versions (sid) always complains about pid not existing.. I checked the permissions for var/run/mysql and they're ok, I'm wondering if anyone knows something i can look into.. |
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| 20:38.10 | TinoW | beetlepun: what would I do with mysql? |
| 20:38.22 | sancho___ | TinoW: ? |
| 20:38.25 | madclicker | sancho___, webmin ehhhh, not really good for letting users/moderators to login and only manage their domain settings, like ISP's do |
| 20:38.31 | TinoW | sancho___: ? |
| 20:38.34 | postel | beetlepun: i hope thats not a production box |
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| 20:38.40 | ChrisW | am I right in thinking that nullmailer send _all_ mail to the specified address, no matter where it was supposed to go, evenb if it wasn't supposed to be local? |
| 20:39.01 | beetlepun | postel: no, of course it ain't -- I'm wondering if the maintainer is even looking at bug report.. |
| 20:39.09 | TinoW | madclicker: afaic there are some solutions like ISPs use or you write your own |
| 20:39.19 | ChrisW | oh, hey Tino :-) |
| 20:39.23 | clarissa | cuuute little rabbits omg :3 |
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| 20:39.31 | TinoW | hey ChrisW! :) How is business? :) |
| 20:39.46 | ChrisW | very good thanks, didn't know you were a debian user... |
| 20:39.51 | madclicker | TinoW, any project names? |
| 20:39.52 | ChrisW | niec to be away from Michael Milne |
| 20:39.54 | ChrisW | ! |
| 20:39.56 | postel | beetlepun: If you filled the bug report you did the right thing. Now either sit back and wait or debug yourself and submit a patch |
| 20:39.59 | sancho___ | clarissa: you an aol user by chance? |
| 20:40.10 | clarissa | huh? o.o |
| 20:40.11 | TinoW | ChrisW: yes, debian, netbsd, zope, postgres - all the good stuff ;) |
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| 20:40.17 | ChrisW | :-) |
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| 20:40.23 | clarissa | by chance? oO |
| 20:40.27 | ChrisW | anyone know the answer to my nullmailer ponder? |
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| 20:40.44 | TinoW | ChrisW: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:40.50 | ChrisW | just on my dev box |
| 20:40.56 | sancho___ | clarissa: you like cute things. you use AOL? |
| 20:41.02 | ChrisW | I want _all_ mail to go to a specified address |
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| 20:41.10 | clarissa | both yes why? o0 |
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| 20:41.22 | sancho___ | clarissa: just wondering :) |
| 20:41.27 | _unstable | Are there any good mirrors for nerim.net/marillat that are fast? or is nerim.net the only one? |
| 20:41.33 | clarissa | why xD |
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| 20:41.38 | TinoW | ChrisW: I'd use exim for that |
| 20:41.44 | ChrisW | I know nullmailer does this, but I just wondered if I could point, for exampel a Zope MailHost at localhost:25 and if nullmailer would then forward me the mail, no matter who it was supposed to go to... |
| 20:41.54 | ChrisW | TinoW: too heavyweight, and I want zer opissibility for spam use... |
| 20:42.00 | clarissa | omg omg xD a cute rabbit on a keyboard omg XD |
| 20:42.19 | TinoW | ChrisW: well not so heavy and quite easy to configure |
| 20:42.26 | dinesh | using chmod, how can I set the +s on a file but only for the user, not the group? |
| 20:42.35 | clarissa | waaiii X.x |
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| 20:42.52 | clarissa | tickle sancho___ |
| 20:43.37 | ChrisW | TinoW: Exim? you _are_ kidding, right? |
| 20:43.57 | TinoW | ChrisW: no, seriusly. If you get used to it, you'll love it :) |
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| 20:44.38 | britt | could someone give me a quick example of a simple shell script involving xargs |
| 20:44.39 | britt | ? |
| 20:44.51 | bbrazil | find -print0 | xargs -0 |
| 20:44.59 | sancho___ | britt: xargs 1 2 3 4 ;) |
| 20:45.03 | Nwallins | britt: `man xargs` has some |
| 20:45.06 | TinoW | ChrisW: btw. for your goal you could even more easy use MaildorpHost |
| 20:45.08 | roadfish | what package do I install to update xine? also, more generally, how could I have determined this package name myself? |
| 20:45.18 | beetlepun | can someone give me a quick example to kill the mysql maintainer? |
| 20:45.19 | britt | Nwallins: didnt see it, is it towards the bottom or something? |
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| 20:45.23 | Nwallins | britt: yeah |
| 20:45.25 | ChrisW | TinoW: yes, for Zope, but what about other apps? |
| 20:45.27 | bbrazil | roadfish: dpkg -S |
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| 20:45.32 | britt | Nwallins: okay |
| 20:45.34 | TinoW | ChrisW: other apps? |
| 20:45.53 | ChrisW | well, anything that send mail |
| 20:45.55 | Nwallins | britt: `man xargs | less` then "/EXAMPLES" |
| 20:45.56 | kivilcim | debian and ubuntu |
| 20:45.59 | sancho___ | beetlepun: why, you want the job instead? |
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| 20:46.03 | ChrisW | I want _no_ mail going out of that box other than to the address I specify |
| 20:46.07 | kivilcim | debian for ubunutu live |
| 20:46.18 | ChrisW | I think nullmailer can do that, just don't know if it can contact my mail server, which requires auth ;-) |
| 20:46.23 | roadfish | bbrazil: tnx |
| 20:46.29 | britt | Nwallins: thank ye much |
| 20:46.31 | Azar | kivilcim: debian is NOT ubuntu, debian-based does not mean they are same |
| 20:46.33 | ufo | can someone tell me howto compile xserver from cvs sources? |
| 20:46.37 | beetlepun | sancho___: well maybe eventually, the dam mysql-server has been broked for a while |
| 20:46.51 | britt | kivilcim: i can vouche for that |
| 20:46.55 | sancho___ | beetlepun: submit PR and fix it then. |
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| 20:47.02 | Nwallins | britt: heh, you probably don't need to pipe man thru less.. most systems do that automatically |
| 20:47.05 | kivilcim | debian for ntfs |
| 20:47.08 | kivilcim | read |
| 20:47.14 | clarissa | debian is good :3 i think |
| 20:47.43 | clarissa | how can i see what for a debian version i have? ^^ |
| 20:47.59 | Azar | clarissa: type in command line uname -a |
| 20:48.07 | beetlepun | clarissa: uname -a && cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:48.08 | Eulex | clarissa, look in /etc/debian_version |
| 20:48.18 | thingfish | hehe pingus is kind of cute. |
| 20:48.35 | Azar | I like frozentux |
| 20:48.38 | clarissa | oh ^^" |
| 20:48.38 | britt | Nwallins: cool. |
| 20:48.38 | kivilcim | debian for nfts read |
| 20:48.47 | kivilcim | debian for nfts read |
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| 20:48.50 | ufo | does enyone know how to compile from sources? |
| 20:48.53 | britt | kivilcim: wtf? |
| 20:48.54 | sancho___ | turd. |
| 20:48.54 | Azar | tard |
| 20:49.04 | britt | what just happened? |
| 20:49.09 | elnovato | ufo; did you checked google? |
| 20:49.12 | sancho___ | a moron got kicked |
| 20:49.19 | clarissa | have debian 2.6.8-2-386 i686 :) |
| 20:49.28 | Azar | haha |
| 20:49.28 | beetlepun | ufo, their site says... -- if not check README in cvs |
| 20:49.39 | britt | sancho___: naw, im still here |
| 20:49.40 | Nwallins | clarissa: brilliant! |
| 20:49.41 | britt | :D |
| 20:49.43 | ufoalien | ufo: RTFM |
| 20:49.47 | clarissa | why a#haha azar? ^^ |
| 20:49.55 | clarissa | why Nwallins? ^^ |
| 20:49.57 | Azar | clarissa do uname -a only |
| 20:50.01 | sancho___ | britt: so you are ;) |
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| 20:50.09 | ChrisW | so, no nullmailer users here? :-( |
| 20:50.13 | elnovato | ufo: try this http://kerneltrap.org/node/799 |
| 20:50.17 | Eulex | clarissa, no. uname reports kernel version, not debian version. |
| 20:50.21 | clarissa | its the same Azar ^^ |
| 20:50.30 | clarissa | oh |
| 20:50.33 | Azar | ah my bad :( my mistake clarissa |
| 20:50.39 | clarissa | but what for debian version i have then ^^" |
| 20:50.44 | beetlepun | clarissa: if in doubt, consult with the proper distro site, despite if it is said to be distro-based on anything.. |
| 20:50.45 | Eulex | clarissa, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:50.47 | britt | note to anybody who thinks fsck wont F up a filesystem thats mounted--it will...fast |
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| 20:51.02 | Azar | clarissa: Eulex to the rescue |
| 20:51.02 | ufo | beetlepun, thre is no readme file in xserver cvs sources |
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| 20:51.18 | beetlepun | britt: a stupid note, it mentions not to, why should anyone want to do that? |
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| 20:51.30 | britt | beetlepun: lol...dunno |
| 20:51.40 | ufo | actually i need howto create the makefile and configure the cvs sources for make install |
| 20:51.59 | beetlepun | ufo: man find, try INSTALL, or check the web (google.com/linux compile Xserver or smthing) |
| 20:52.20 | britt | let me ask the crowd...will debian (text mode console only) run on a P 75 system (AMD 5x86@133Mhz) |
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| 20:53.04 | beetlepun | britt: I've been able to have it on a P1 laptop..so I see why not |
| 20:53.11 | ufo | beetlepun, ok... but what is this channel for? |
| 20:53.11 | TinoW | britt: easy. It even runs on my 16MHz arm based Psion |
| 20:53.17 | britt | wow. |
| 20:53.17 | bartden | hi, i'm sharing a partition on a windows client in my home network, how can i mount it in debian ?? |
| 20:53.23 | Eulex | Azar, be carefully to say uname to newbies who want to know their debian version. they usually know nothing about kernels :) and usually cat /etc/debian_version will be just as good |
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| 20:53.26 | britt | so no problems on a 486 either? |
| 20:53.35 | beetlepun | ufo: google.com has channels |
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| 20:53.40 | TinoW | britt: including X11, yacas,gnuplot and postgres |
| 20:53.44 | britt | :o |
| 20:53.47 | Diguinho | do you know if webmin was removed from unstable? |
| 20:53.56 | britt | a psion does that, i thought they were black N white? |
| 20:53.58 | beetlepun | ufo: you mean newsgroups.. ->groups.google.com |
| 20:54.20 | stew | britt: yes it will run on a 486. woody runs on a 386 but sarge requires a 486 |
| 20:54.30 | TinoW | britt: console is no problem at all. 486 makes an excellent firewall box for example. Or printer spooler or whatever. GUI/Office work would be painfully slow |
| 20:54.32 | Eulex | bartden, install smbfs and smbmount it. |
| 20:54.43 | MrNaz | anybody know if the minimalist support for amd64 in the sarge i386 distribution allows for >4gb of ram? |
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| 20:55.05 | ufo | beetlepun, ok why is there Join Channel in x-chat? |
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| 20:55.11 | britt | TinoW: so a 486 with two nics and sarge on a 1GB flash card would be a nice router/firewall box? |
| 20:55.30 | TinoW | britt: yes, you dont even need 1GB |
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| 20:55.36 | shiroferret | for an offline installation which debian cds do i need to download? |
| 20:55.40 | britt | yeah GUI on my dual Ppro 333 was slow indeed |
| 20:55.51 | shiroferret | i'll the the ipw2100 drivers and wireless-tools as well. |
| 20:56.02 | Eulex | shiroferret, totally depends on what you need to install. |
| 20:56.22 | beetlepun | ufo, because x-chat is a client-- newsgroups has it-- use your web browser for compiling, noyone will tell you how to compile something-- you have to do your own homework, least to say you should know how to reportbug.. |
| 20:56.34 | Eulex | shiroferret, have you got or could easily get a fast wired internet connection on that computer? |
| 20:56.43 | shiroferret | yes. |
| 20:57.02 | Eulex | shiroferret, then why not use the netinstaller? |
| 20:57.10 | ufo | beetlepun, go to sleep and grow up... |
| 20:57.11 | britt | im confused too |
| 20:57.15 | beetlepun | ufo, I already said 3 ways--> google.com/linux is dedicated to linux pages, at least try there |
| 20:57.16 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 20:57.17 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 20:57.19 | shiroferret | because lately telus ADSL has been twitchy. |
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| 20:57.32 | britt | shiroferret: you only need like 30 minutes |
| 20:57.38 | shiroferret | oh cool. |
| 20:57.43 | britt | for consoel install anyway |
| 20:57.44 | shiroferret | netinst then |
| 20:57.58 | shiroferret | it doesn't include wireless drivers does it? |
| 20:58.01 | britt | you can just get the rest when you can |
| 20:58.18 | Eulex | shiroferret, not the ipw2100 ones. you'll need to build them from source |
| 20:58.23 | shiroferret | ok |
| 20:58.24 | britt | shiroferret: i cant answer your question but orinoco support is built in |
| 20:58.36 | Eulex | britt, ipw2100 ain't |
| 20:58.48 | abrotman | ipw2100 isn't orinoco |
| 20:58.50 | DevilChaos | is there a package i can use to clear out guff from my system thats .old files and things i dont use ? |
| 20:58.58 | shiroferret | i do have the windows drivers so i could always use ndiswrapper if i'm in a pinch |
| 20:59.06 | thingfish | DevilChaos: deborphan |
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| 20:59.13 | Eulex | DevilChaos, debfoster, deborphan, apt-get clean? |
| 20:59.40 | cy_ | i have a problem with X and conky .. http://pastebin.ca/41761 .. anyone knows what that might could be, how to solve it ? |
| 20:59.43 | DevilChaos | i nkow i can get rid of obsolete stuff through apt but wondered if there was a package to help with stuff clogging my system that i dont know or care about? |
| 20:59.50 | DevilChaos | ah |
| 20:59.54 | britt | abrotman: i assume resorces are out there to tell someone which cards are built into the kernel |
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| 21:00.11 | shiroferret | I wanted to have an offline available as back up and for computers that don't have network connection or have dial-up |
| 21:00.12 | abrotman | britt: i can tell you ipw2100 wasn't int he sarge ones :) |
| 21:00.22 | britt | abrotman: whats ipw2100? |
| 21:00.30 | britt | like what card? |
| 21:00.31 | Eulex | britt, intel pro wireless 2100 |
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| 21:00.40 | britt | *foot in mouth* |
| 21:00.42 | shiroferret | intelPRO/wireless 2100 |
| 21:00.46 | shiroferret | lol |
| 21:01.08 | britt | are any PCI card drivers built-in? |
| 21:01.10 | abrotman | !ipw2100 |
| 21:01.10 | dpkg | i guess ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. |
| 21:01.12 | chealer | cy_: are you sure it's not #329396 ? |
| 21:01.31 | DevilChaos | deborphan just gave me a list of stuffwhat does that mean? |
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| 21:01.36 | Eulex | britt, of course |
| 21:01.40 | DevilChaos | i should remove them? |
| 21:01.44 | Eulex | DevilChaos, man deborphan |
| 21:01.53 | britt | Eulex: cool! |
| 21:02.11 | beetlepun | cy_, i'm guessing grey is not in the rgb file (/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt) |
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| 21:02.28 | Eulex | britt, actually, most wired cards are supported. it's a bit worse with wireless ones, though. |
| 21:02.40 | britt | Eulex: thats what i meant, wireless ones. |
| 21:02.54 | Hoxzer | if I'm making .deb kernel out of kernel source does it make somekind of logfile out of it? |
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| 21:03.04 | britt | Eulex: i want to build my father a linux-based music player thing...didnt know which card to use.... |
| 21:03.16 | WiFiTux | I'm trying to run an application or invoke it with xscreensaver. Is basically that I want to run a video when the xscreensaver runs. |
| 21:03.33 | Hoxzer | guys can somebody help me track the problem? |
| 21:03.40 | cy_ | it might be it |
| 21:03.42 | cy_ | lemme check :) |
| 21:03.57 | Eulex | britt, hmm, ok. if in doubt, google :) |
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| 21:04.10 | britt | Eulex: yep. Google is good. |
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| 21:04.28 | kombi | what is "Could not early remove e2fsprogs" ? |
| 21:04.37 | DevilChaos | when is xorg 7.0 release coming to debian? |
| 21:04.47 | chealer | DevilChaos: WIR |
| 21:04.58 | DevilChaos | doh |
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| 21:05.07 | Eulex | britt|away, usually, you will need to find out what chipset it has, and then check how support is for that chipset. |
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| 21:05.09 | _diego_ | and when is ready? :) |
| 21:05.22 | Eulex | _diego_, siyh |
| 21:05.24 | DevilChaos | i know what WIR is lol |
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| 21:05.46 | _diego_ | siyh? |
| 21:05.59 | Eulex | !siyh |
| 21:06.00 | dpkg | i heard siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 21:06.07 | DevilChaos | im really annoyed cant get xgl until 7.0 xorg |
| 21:06.15 | abrotman | DevilChaos: help package it .. |
| 21:06.45 | DevilChaos | i wouldnt know where to start dont even know how to read source code |
| 21:06.55 | SerajewelKS | DevilChaos: learn! |
| 21:07.09 | DevilChaos | ive googled it |
| 21:07.09 | Eulex | !nm |
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| 21:07.10 | dpkg | i guess nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 21:07.10 | DevilChaos | too |
| 21:07.17 | Eulex | !mg |
| 21:07.17 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar |
| 21:07.47 | SerajewelKS | !nm =~ s/And also nevermind, or a/A/ |
| 21:07.47 | dpkg | OK, SerajewelKS |
| 21:08.29 | knop4nu | i've got a laptop with xp service pack2 and forgot the admin passwd. i want to reset the xp password to install sarge on it and dual boot. i am a newbie running knoopix4 live cd and have no floppy drive nor cdwriter |
| 21:08.53 | SerajewelKS | knop4nu: (1) this is #debian, not ##windows. (2) this is #debian, not #knoppix. |
| 21:09.10 | knop4nu | sarge is linux |
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| 21:09.14 | Hoxzer | hey, guys when I try to make deb out of kernel source I get error how do I track it and remove it with menuconfig? |
| 21:09.27 | SerajewelKS | knop4nu: you're using a knoppix livecd. that is not sarge. |
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| 21:10.02 | knop4nu | but i want to install sarge\ |
| 21:10.05 | clarissa | what was this? o.o |
| 21:10.07 | knop4nu | sarge is debian |
| 21:10.12 | clarissa | biiiiig lag or netsplit? |
| 21:10.12 | britt|away | knop4nu: what do you need from us? |
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| 21:10.16 | SerajewelKS | knop4nu: so why do you need to reset the password |
| 21:10.21 | Eulex | !d-i knop4nu |
| 21:10.21 | dpkg | knop4nu, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 21:10.41 | SerajewelKS | knop4nu: the debian installer couldn't care less about your windows administrator password |
| 21:10.42 | saahbs | has anyone had problems with netinst 31r1a CD? |
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| 21:10.54 | chealer | saahbs: most likely |
| 21:10.56 | SerajewelKS | saahbs: are you having a problem, or are you taking a poll? |
| 21:11.00 | Nwallins | knop4nu: you need to be booted into an alternative OS to reset the XP password. knoppix should suffice, though you still need to know how to access the info. there is a linux rescue CD out there for download that comes with the functionality built in |
| 21:11.08 | saahbs | I've tried two burns and both complain that they cannot find installation components. |
| 21:11.17 | saahbs | SerajewelKS: problem |
| 21:11.43 | SerajewelKS | saahbs: don't start with a poll then... "has anyone ..." "does anyone use ..." are no-op questions and don't help us help you. |
| 21:11.43 | britt | Nwallins: or the XP boot CD. or is it 2000, theres one that allows one access to reset the password without having to know it |
| 21:11.43 | saahbs | the installer starts but cannot find installation components while doing the base system install from cd step |
| 21:11.57 | saahbs | SerajewelKS: ok |
| 21:12.01 | knop4nu | Nwallins: i do not have a cdwriter so knoppix is the only thing i can use |
| 21:12.04 | scarynetworkguy | knop4nu: http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/ |
| 21:12.19 | SerajewelKS | knop4nu: repeat after me: "i don't need to reset the windows password to install debian" |
| 21:12.21 | britt | knop4nu: how did you create the knoppix cd |
| 21:12.37 | britt | SerajewelKS: he wants to dual boot |
| 21:12.42 | jjazz | knop4nu: The place to ask your question is either #windows or #knoppix. You're likely to get an answer from somebody with the knowledge you seek in one of those channels. |
| 21:12.43 | SerajewelKS | britt: so? |
| 21:12.57 | britt | SerajewelKS: well youve got a point |
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| 21:13.04 | britt | *foot in mouth #2* |
| 21:13.05 | britt | lol |
| 21:13.07 | jjazz | knop4nu: People in this channel are less likely to know how to reset a win password than the folks in #windows. |
| 21:13.09 | SerajewelKS | britt: =) |
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| 21:13.29 | SerajewelKS | jjazz: on the contrary, we're more likely but it's still blatantly off-topic =) |
| 21:13.30 | britt | i wonder if bill gates hangs out in #windows |
| 21:13.38 | SerajewelKS | britt: on freenode? unlikely. |
| 21:13.39 | saahbs | I observed a problem with netinst 31r1a CD. The installer starts, I can partition, detects the install cd, but while doing a base install it complains that it cannot find installation components. Also it doesn't have an option for poiting it to a network repository. |
| 21:13.54 | knop4nu | i did ask on those channels and got no reply. most linux users are former windows users . some power users |
| 21:14.01 | SerajewelKS | saahbs: odd.. it's always worked for me |
| 21:14.06 | MrNaz | jjazz i think you mean the guys in this chan are less likely to help or be sympathetic to a windows user :P |
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| 21:14.10 | SerajewelKS | !they don't know |
| 21:14.10 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 21:14.11 | SerajewelKS | knop4nu: ^^^ |
| 21:14.29 | britt | knop4nu: im a former windows user. now im a Mac user and a linux user |
| 21:14.37 | saahbs | 31r1 CD1 works fine on the machine though...I'm suspecting wierd hw problem with CDrom, but the box can run knoppix all day.... |
| 21:14.43 | Eulex | saahbs, checked the tty where all that info about how things are being set up is displayed? |
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| 21:14.59 | saahbs | Eulex: yes, no error messages there |
| 21:15.21 | Eulex | knop4nu, well yes, I was a windows user. but seriously, do you want or need info applying to win98? :P |
| 21:15.27 | saahbs | SerajewelKS: is netinst supposed to connect to network while installing from the CD? or only after reboot? |
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| 21:15.31 | britt | is there any way to boot into a debian prompt from the netinstall CD? |
| 21:15.42 | britt | like a "repair" boot option from LILO or what? |
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| 21:15.53 | SerajewelKS | saahbs: after the first reboot |
| 21:16.12 | saahbs | SerajewelKS: good. hm. |
| 21:16.15 | SerajewelKS | britt: boot the netinstall CD, type 'rescue' at the boot prompt.. i think |
| 21:16.20 | britt | damn |
| 21:16.26 | britt | i typed repair |
| 21:16.35 | britt | sigh |
| 21:16.37 | clarissa | xD |
| 21:16.44 | SerajewelKS | britt: use the F keys, luke |
| 21:16.55 | clarissa | loool |
| 21:17.12 | Nwallins | RTFM, UTSL, and now UTFKL |
| 21:17.16 | britt | next time i screw up my filsystem and endanger 8000+ music files, i'll use the force |
| 21:17.54 | Malagmyr | just put a cat on the drive. always helps |
| 21:18.04 | saahbs | SerajewelKS: Eulex: thanks. I guess my prob could have been hw based..... |
| 21:18.05 | britt | Malagmyr: the animal? |
| 21:18.15 | Malagmyr | yep |
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| 21:18.26 | Eulex | saahbs, yw :) |
| 21:18.46 | kombi | should one run dist-upgrade as a cronjob on a production box? |
| 21:18.49 | saahbs | \quit |
| 21:18.52 | saahbs | hehe |
| 21:19.24 | britt | Nwallins: no example syntax entries in the man page for xargs |
| 21:19.26 | SerajewelKS | kombi: hell no |
| 21:19.28 | britt | :\ |
| 21:19.30 | britt | google. |
| 21:19.47 | SerajewelKS | kombi: *maybe* if you're only getting security updates |
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| 21:20.05 | SerajewelKS | kombi: but even then, it might pull in a new kernel, and new kernels can require reboots |
| 21:20.05 | kombi | SerajewelKS: that's what I felt, I heard poeple say that somewhere.. |
| 21:20.14 | kombi | true! |
| 21:20.59 | MrNaz | how do you get security patches in debian? |
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| 21:21.56 | Hoxzer | can somebody help me to compile kernel? |
| 21:22.04 | chealer | MrNaz: you make sure you have security sources and update regularly. |
| 21:22.17 | SerajewelKS | Hoxzer: do you need to compile a kernel? |
| 21:22.43 | MrNaz | chealer is there a url for noobs like me? |
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| 21:23.08 | chealer | MrNaz: security.d.o? |
| 21:23.09 | TinoW | hi MrNaz |
| 21:23.11 | kombi | Hoxzer: there is hardly ever a reason to do that, unless > 1 CPU or > 1Gig of RAM |
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| 21:23.16 | Hoxzer | SerajewelKS: well I could reinstall |
| 21:23.18 | MrNaz | hi TinoW :) fancy seeing you here |
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| 21:23.32 | britt | kombi: still there's smp kernels |
| 21:23.33 | Hhhhhh | and I saw her face |
| 21:23.35 | Hoxzer | I'm using debian based linux not debian |
| 21:23.38 | Hhhhhh | I'm a believer |
| 21:23.41 | Hoxzer | so I guess debs are not working |
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| 21:23.47 | Hoxzer | kernel.debs I mean |
| 21:23.57 | britt | Hhhhhh: lol |
| 21:24.17 | TinoW | MrNaz: yeah, thats funny :-) |
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| 21:25.32 | SerajewelKS | Hoxzer: wtf are you talking about. i can't make heads or tails of your explanation. |
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| 21:25.41 | SerajewelKS | Hoxzer: you *do not* need to compile kernels for debian |
| 21:25.54 | Hhhhhh | yea, Debian is magic |
| 21:25.56 | buht-w | anyone know why i might be getting a pciReadWord: Alignment error: on starting X? happened since reboot for some reason.. the weird thing is my video card is AGP and not PCI as well (i tried asking in #xorg, no help. figured someone here might know or have run into this) |
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| 21:26.09 | Hoxzer | SerajewlKS: I'm not using debian, I'm using knoppmyth which is based on debian |
| 21:26.16 | buht-w | i also did a purge removal on xserver-xorg and reinstalled it, no help :( |
| 21:26.22 | Hoxzer | can I anyway use debian kernels? |
| 21:26.23 | SerajewelKS | Hoxzer: so why the fuck are you asking in #debian |
| 21:26.28 | elquemepusieron | hola |
| 21:26.34 | kspath | !tell Hoxzer about knoppix |
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| 21:26.44 | Hoxzer | Serajewel: becuase it is debian based |
| 21:26.44 | Hhhhhh | SerajewelKS, that was pretty gay |
| 21:26.44 | elquemepusieron | como |
| 21:26.57 | Hhhhhh | SerajewelKS, why flame him? He was asking |
| 21:27.02 | Hhhhhh | elquemepusieron, hola |
| 21:27.02 | snooze | 'lo. Got a kernel-image install issue. |
| 21:27.03 | SerajewelKS | Hhhhhh: this isn't #disney either ;) |
| 21:27.06 | britt | !es |
| 21:27.06 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:27.10 | thingfish | Hhhhhh: we support only Debian in here. |
| 21:27.12 | fireba11_grr | anyone got a clue waht hardware thos eye-candy xgl demos reuire ? :-) |
| 21:27.16 | snooze | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: line 1279: cd: initrd: No such file or directory |
| 21:27.23 | Hhhhhh | thingfish, agreed, but why insult him? |
| 21:27.36 | SerajewelKS | Hhhhhh: i did not insult him |
| 21:27.41 | thingfish | I didn't see any insult, just rough language. |
| 21:27.42 | snooze | Ran md5sum on mkinitrd and the configs under /etc/mkinitrd. No different from my other Sarge boxes. |
| 21:27.50 | Hhhhhh | SerajewelKS, just ranchy language |
| 21:27.59 | thingfish | you mean raunchy |
| 21:27.59 | SerajewelKS | Hhhhhh: as i said, this isn't #disney |
| 21:28.12 | Hhhhhh | no, it's #Imawhore |
| 21:28.23 | abrotman | stew: how would you like to host an LXR for the debian kernels ? :) |
| 21:28.27 | thingfish | ha ha ha. it is to laugh. |
| 21:28.36 | SerajewelKS | Hhhhhh: that's really not funny |
| 21:28.39 | stew | abrotman: lxr? |
| 21:28.39 | kspath | Hhhhhh: We do not need to know about your personsal life. |
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| 21:28.47 | Hhhhhh | SerajewelKS, not tryintg to be funny |
| 21:28.59 | abrotman | stew: http://lxr.linux.no/source/ .. http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxr |
| 21:29.02 | Hhhhhh | SerajewelKS, just pointing out how imbecile your comment was |
| 21:29.05 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you are such a hussie |
| 21:29.07 | Hhhhhh | but I forgive you |
| 21:29.12 | abrotman | imbecilic? |
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| 21:29.19 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Aye, that I am. Shameless. |
| 21:29.21 | fireba11 | hm .. let me re-phrase ... anyone got the slightest clue what hardware you need for eye-candy the level you can see in the xgl demos ? |
| 21:29.22 | snooze | okay, so aside from that... dpkg-reconfigure and apt-get install on my kernel-image both fail. Status is "install ok half-configured". |
| 21:29.27 | SerajewelKS | Hhhhhh: hang out here for a week and see how happy you get with knoppix people asking stupid questions in here every fucking hour |
| 21:29.34 | britt | lol |
| 21:29.37 | thingfish | amen |
| 21:29.38 | beetlepun | snooze, you may have to be root |
| 21:29.42 | snooze | I am. |
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| 21:29.42 | Hhhhhh | SerajewelKS, how do i boot with Knoppix? |
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| 21:29.51 | Hhhhhh | SerajewelKS, how do i login into Knoppix? |
| 21:29.59 | kspath | !tell Hhhhhhh about knoppix |
| 21:30.00 | fireba11 | !smite Hhhhhh |
| 21:30.00 | beetlepun | Hhhhhh, you can boot with knoppix, after downloading #knoppix |
| 21:30.01 | outlaw84 | I am looking for a tools to edit/fix binary image files |
| 21:30.07 | thingfish | !ops keep your eye on Hhhhhh |
| 21:30.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: keep your eye on Hhhhhh |
| 21:30.14 | snooze | beetlpun, ran rm -rf /* already. Didn't help. |
| 21:30.14 | abrotman | stew: you know .. like put the trees from sarge etc up there .. |
| 21:30.20 | SerajewelKS | Hhhhhh: i'm done. you should probably stop trolling though. |
| 21:30.21 | Hhhhhh | beetlepun, I can download the channel #knoppix? I didn't know I could do that |
| 21:30.37 | kspath | !tell Hhhhhhh about knoppix |
| 21:30.38 | Hhhhhh | SerajewelKS, please helpme |
| 21:30.40 | beetlepun | snooze, well I can't help you if you remove everything |
| 21:31.03 | kspath | !tell Hhhhhh about knoppix |
| 21:31.05 | beetlepun | Hhhhhh, y, you can also do it with the webbrowser..it'll download all the knoppix cheat-codes |
| 21:31.05 | snooze | I'm root. I restored it from backups. ;-) Still... about this mkinitrd command. |
| 21:31.08 | Hhhhhh | SerajewelKS, how do i download channel #knoppix? I think I need to download it before i can login |
| 21:31.17 | abrotman | Hhhhhh: /join #knoppix |
| 21:31.31 | thingfish | kspath: ignore him; he's trolling. |
| 21:31.33 | stew | abrotman: i have the bandwidth and the space, just not the time |
| 21:31.35 | snooze | beetlepun, looks like an env setting. "cd: initrd: No such file or directory" during configure. |
| 21:31.39 | Hhhhhh | abrotman, I put "/join #knoppix" in firefox and it didn't work |
| 21:31.40 | abrotman | stew: i do it! |
| 21:31.45 | beetlepun | Hhhhhh, use the 'cheat-codes' and make out with #knoppix :) |
| 21:31.51 | Hhhhhh | abrotman, you should be more like SerajewelKS |
| 21:31.59 | abrotman | Hhhhhh: piss off and die! |
| 21:32.00 | abrotman | better? |
| 21:32.04 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 21:32.08 | kspath | Wow I did not know this was tard Sunday. |
| 21:32.09 | Hhhhhh | yea, a little bit |
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| 21:32.16 | outlaw84 | I am looking for a tools to edit/fix binary image files |
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| 21:32.23 | Hhhhhh | kspath, no, it's just #debian |
| 21:32.32 | stew | abrotman: all circuits are busy, try again later, we'll set something up |
| 21:32.35 | ZiDaNe | hello, can anybody tell me if debian is good for an old pentium MMX 100MHz 32MB ram pc ? |
| 21:32.38 | abrotman | stew: gotcha! |
| 21:32.50 | tziku | hello how can i stop this: ICMP echo rply (84 bytes) from 83.103.187.103 to localhost on eth0 . I have a lot of trafic on this service. about 1mb . help me pls |
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| 21:33.06 | kspath | I wonder if Hhhhhh is an Eliza with no real intelligence of it's own. |
| 21:33.12 | Hhhhhh | I disagree with dpkg, I think Debian is just Knoppix |
| 21:33.13 | thingfish | ;) |
| 21:33.21 | abrotman | holy shit .. |
| 21:33.23 | abrotman | !afo |
| 21:33.23 | dpkg | asg for ops! |
| 21:33.25 | TinoW | tziku: 1MB isnt a lot of traffic ;) |
| 21:33.46 | tziku | TinoW for my 1mb band is a lot... |
| 21:33.51 | outlaw84 | TinoW: it depends on the time intervall :) |
| 21:33.52 | SerajewelKS | !ops Hhhhhh trolling |
| 21:33.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Hhhhhh trolling |
| 21:33.55 | Hhhhhh | ZiDaNe, no, Debian requires a P4 3.0 Ghz minimum |
| 21:34.08 | SerajewelKS | i love when trolls start using !ops.. that's like suicide |
| 21:34.10 | TinoW | tziku: milli bit? |
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| 21:34.27 | tziku | =)) |
| 21:34.28 | thingfish | thank you, LoRez. |
| 21:34.28 | SerajewelKS | LoRez: thank you |
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| 21:34.41 | ZiDaNe | Hhhhhh =) |
| 21:34.43 | parsek_77 | ZiDaNe, i suggest Damn small linux |
| 21:34.44 | TinoW | tziku: 83.103.187.103 is your outside IP address? |
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| 21:34.51 | kspath | Wow, an Eliza with auto-rejoin |
| 21:34.52 | tziku | TinoW Mbite |
| 21:34.52 | chealer | ZiDaNe: barely. see the install guide |
| 21:35.00 | tziku | is an outside ip adress |
| 21:35.03 | outlaw84 | tziku: sound like a DOS-attack |
| 21:35.06 | Hhhhhh | ANYWAYS, enough of flame. Zidane, what was your hardware again? |
| 21:35.23 | ZiDaNe | p MMX 100MHz 32MB ram |
| 21:35.34 | TinoW | tziku: is it _your_ outside IP address? I mean on your eth0? |
| 21:35.37 | Hhhhhh | I tried Vector Linux and Damn Small Linux |
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| 21:35.48 | kspath | When did Eliza troll bots start talking to each other? |
| 21:35.49 | SerajewelKS | Hhhhhh: as i said, it was *not* a flame. it was me pointing out a glaringly obvious error someone else made. |
| 21:35.57 | Hhhhhh | hmm, 32Mb, no try Damn Small Linux |
| 21:36.06 | tziku | TinoW no isn't my ip...i have other ip...with 195 at my machine. |
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| 21:36.19 | Hhhhhh | Vector will want some more |
| 21:36.26 | TinoW | tziku: but you should install some basic firewall rules blocking anything from outside which appears as coming from inside |
| 21:36.36 | stew | ZiDaNe: debian will run on 32mb of ram |
| 21:36.43 | Hhhhhh | try Luit Linux (a branch of Damn Small Linux) |
| 21:36.52 | parsek_77 | Vector's requirement 64MB, damn small linux 24MB for GUI |
| 21:36.53 | outlaw84 | ZiDaNe: It will probaly work but you need more skills for a crapy computer to work then for a newer |
| 21:37.06 | ronove | I was trying to get sound working in kde3.5.0, so I selected ALSA in the sound system configuration thing, and clicked the "apply" thing, and now it's taking ages.. is this normal? |
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| 21:37.17 | TinoW | tziku: not that this would help you much - unless your ISP installs some rules at the other end of your line |
| 21:37.18 | Hhhhhh | ronove, yes, that's Debia for you |
| 21:37.35 | ronove | Hhhhhh, ? |
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| 21:37.38 | buht-w | ugh |
| 21:37.44 | Hhhhhh | ZiDaNe, Damn Small Linux would be a good bet, maybe Puppy Linux |
| 21:37.44 | outlaw84 | tziku: is it a dsl-connection? |
| 21:37.45 | thingfish | ronove: ignore him; he's a troll. |
| 21:37.54 | ronove | thingfish, hm, ok :) |
| 21:37.58 | thingfish | ;) |
| 21:38.05 | chealer | ronove: what do you mean by "it's taking ages"? |
| 21:38.05 | ZiDaNe | thx for the info, trying damn small linux |
| 21:38.17 | kspath | ronove: Hhhhhh is an Eliza troll bot. If you do not feed it information it can not appear to process information and reply back. |
| 21:38.18 | thingfish | who should've been banned rather than just kicked for a moment. |
| 21:38.23 | Hhhhhh | ZiDaNe, no problem, just don't do Debian on it |
| 21:38.31 | tziku | outlaw84 no is a optical-cable connection. |
| 21:38.33 | ZiDaNe | ok |
| 21:38.33 | parsek_77 | ZiDaNe, small linux has Live CD, you can test the performance |
| 21:38.34 | Hhhhhh | who's Eliza? |
| 21:38.38 | ZiDaNe | ok |
| 21:38.38 | stew | Hhhhhh: why would you not recommend debian? |
| 21:38.50 | pitillo | xD |
| 21:38.50 | Hhhhhh | this is a P1 100Mhz 32 RAM |
| 21:38.59 | outlaw84 | tziku: have you got some kind of device for it? |
| 21:39.04 | stew | Hhhhhh: yes, which meats the hardware requirements in the install guide and relaese notes |
| 21:39.16 | ZiDaNe | I need a distro for text mode usage and just a few basic things |
| 21:39.18 | Hhhhhh | for GUI? |
| 21:39.30 | Hhhhhh | zidane, DSL will let you use GUI if you want |
| 21:39.39 | ZiDaNe | ah ok |
| 21:39.39 | stew | Hhhhhh: he specifically said no gui |
| 21:39.50 | ronove | chealer, there's this little window, saying "Restarting Sound System" and with something going from "0%" -> "5%" -> .. -> "90%" -> "0%" -> .. |
| 21:39.59 | chealer | LoRez: would you mind going with something more permanent for our new friend? |
| 21:40.05 | ZiDaNe | then If I don't need gui then debian is a good idea too ? |
| 21:40.07 | thingfish | I second that. |
| 21:40.09 | outlaw84 | tziku: I am thinking perhaps you could get a new IP... If you get a device you might be able to get a new IP by restarting that device |
| 21:40.10 | Hhhhhh | chealer, ? I'm not flaming |
| 21:40.10 | stew | ZiDaNe: yes |
| 21:40.13 | ZiDaNe | ok |
| 21:40.15 | tziku | outlaw84 no. i'm in lan with a server who have optical devices...and that server is giving me some band. |
| 21:40.23 | ZiDaNe | I'll try both distros to see what happens |
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| 21:40.27 | ZiDaNe | bye and thx |
| 21:40.30 | Hhhhhh | bye |
| 21:40.32 | Hhhhhh | np |
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| 21:40.41 | piclez | hi again, how could I use apt to reconfigure PHP ? |
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| 21:41.57 | outlaw84 | so no one in here knows a GNU tool for managing binary CD images? |
| 21:42.10 | chealer | ronove: is ALSA working? |
| 21:42.17 | Kerr | stupid home pc got turned off ~.~ |
| 21:42.18 | chealer | LoRez: thanks |
| 21:42.18 | ronove | chealer, sure is :) |
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| 21:42.37 | chealer | ronove: is arts working with a different sound system? |
| 21:42.43 | ronove | chealer, but the thing is going slower and slower.. =/ |
| 21:42.43 | thingfish | yes LoRez - thanks. |
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| 21:43.01 | ronove | chealer, dunno.. don't really think so |
| 21:43.21 | chealer | ronove: what's "going slower and slower"? |
| 21:43.30 | _JuDgEn_ | where can a noob like me ask some questions_ |
| 21:43.36 | _JuDgEn_ | ? |
| 21:43.43 | ronove | chealer, the "updating sound system" thingy.. |
| 21:43.46 | stew | _JuDgEn_: if you have a real question and its about debian, just ask it |
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| 21:44.50 | chealer | ronove: you mean the progress bar is slowing down? I guess that doesn't matter if it already took over 5 sec |
| 21:44.57 | ronove | chealer, but my (onboard) soundcard isn't supported by OSS, so I really want it get working.. |
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| 21:45.08 | chealer | ronove: OK |
| 21:45.08 | _JuDgEn_ | I have just installed debian, but the driver for my radeon9800 seems to stop at max resolution 800x600 in all graphical configurators , and i want to run 2048x1024. |
| 21:45.22 | chealer | _JuDgEn_: which X driver? |
| 21:45.50 | _JuDgEn_ | chealer, how do i check that [told you i was a noob] |
| 21:46.09 | chealer | !drxx _JuDgEn_ |
| 21:46.09 | dpkg | _JuDgEn_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:46.10 | _JuDgEn_ | i selected the ati driver at install |
| 21:46.31 | chealer | _JuDgEn_: that's what I wanted to know. which resolution(s) did you choose? |
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| 21:46.53 | _JuDgEn_ | dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 21:47.02 | mark__ | How does one CC to a second person using evolution? |
| 21:47.16 | _JuDgEn_ | i choose 800x600@75hz |
| 21:47.17 | ronove | chealer, it worked just fine in xfce4.. so it's kinda weird it doesn't do that in kde, isn't it? |
| 21:47.47 | chealer | _JuDgEn_: *as root* |
| 21:48.03 | chealer | _JuDgEn_: because it didn't propose you anything higher? |
| 21:48.13 | _JuDgEn_ | *doh* |
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| 21:48.29 | mark__ | I sent out two mail addresses with a space between but that didnt seem to work. |
| 21:48.37 | _JuDgEn_ | now im in the reconfigure apps )( |
| 21:48.42 | _JuDgEn_ | :) |
| 21:49.04 | _JuDgEn_ | Shouldnt i use the ATI driver, ? |
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| 21:49.18 | chealer | ronove: I don't know. you may want to ask how you could figure out if arts is working at all on #debian-kde or #kde |
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| 21:50.02 | chealer | _JuDgEn_: maybe. you can always use vesa too. for ATI I think you could use radeon too |
| 21:50.12 | _JuDgEn_ | Please enter cards bus identifier? |
| 21:50.21 | _JuDgEn_ | there is no radeon in the list |
| 21:50.21 | fusspils | I always get "failed to connect to server" using tightvnc from a windows box to Debian. Ive started the server on the Deb box, any idea's? |
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| 21:50.43 | chealer | !bus id |
| 21:50.44 | dpkg | If you're asking about Bus ID, chances are you need to get a kernel that has agpgart support for your video chipset. Usually this means 2.4.x, but 2.2.25 also has some. When dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 asks you for your Bus ID, if you use x86 (meaning a PC), just leave it blank. |
| 21:50.55 | SerajewelKS | !connection refused |
| 21:50.55 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 21:50.57 | SerajewelKS | fusspils: ^^^ |
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| 21:51.39 | fusspils | Can you give me a pointer as to how to configure the firewall |
| 21:52.02 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 21:52.02 | dpkg | somebody said iptables was the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
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| 21:52.24 | fusspils | thanks |
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| 21:52.51 | curt | tell me about xserver |
| 21:53.09 | kspath | !tell curt about xserver |
| 21:53.32 | _JuDgEn_ | gotta go now and see if this worked |
| 21:53.37 | kspath | !x-server |
| 21:53.37 | curt | no about md5's and reconfigure |
| 21:54.09 | curt | is it drxx? |
| 21:54.24 | chealer | !drxx curt |
| 21:54.24 | dpkg | curt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 21:54.45 | lackdiant | hi |
| 21:54.45 | kspath | interesting |
| 21:54.46 | curt | thnx i found it... |
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| 21:55.10 | lackdiant | i have a problem with hal and usb disks |
| 21:55.24 | curt | is xmd5 the same for xorg? |
| 21:55.54 | fusspils | how do I open a certain port in IPtables? |
| 21:55.56 | Zrin | on cmp /dev/cdrom /home/burn/data.iso I'm getting "cmp: EOF on /home/burn/data.iso" what should that mean? was the brun successfull? |
| 21:56.04 | chealer | curt: the issue behind xmd5 doesn't apply to X.org |
| 21:56.04 | SerajewelKS | curt: except it's xorg.conf, yes |
| 21:56.04 | douglas | lackdiant: what's your beef with hal and usb disks |
| 21:56.12 | SerajewelKS | chealer: no? |
| 21:56.23 | chealer | SerajewelKS: gravity told me! |
| 21:56.51 | curt | my vp201b (20.1" viewsonic) kicked the bucket and I am using a loner crt and the settings don't seem to be saving using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 21:56.55 | SperMite | not that i use kedit but just curious on why when i tried to run it as root i get : Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 21:56.55 | SperMite | Xlib: No protocol specified |
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| 21:57.24 | chealer | curt: why do you think they're not saving? |
| 21:57.29 | SerajewelKS | !tell SperMite about run stuff as root |
| 21:57.47 | lackdiant | well, fist of all, i'm spanish, my problem is the usb mounts perfectly in /media/flash (or whatever) but hal shows me a window with the actions i can do, i try open the pen disk and appears empty and umounted, media:/sda1 doesn't appear mounted, only in /media/sda1 |
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| 21:58.16 | douglas | there's a #debian-es channel if you'd feel more comfortable there |
| 21:58.24 | curt | chealer, I am still investigating it, but the specs don't seam to be saving in advance configuration for the H&V syncs |
| 21:58.33 | lackdiant | well, i can understand english |
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| 21:58.45 | lackdiant | there they couldn't help me :( |
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| 21:59.03 | _JuDgEn_ | hmm that didnt work |
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| 21:59.35 | douglas | lackdiant: can you read/write in the window that pops up? |
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| 22:00.35 | lackdiant | well, i open the window and opens this url system:/media/sda1 but it's empty |
| 22:00.46 | lackdiant | when i want to reload appears the following error |
| 22:00.55 | lackdiant | No se pudo montar el dispositivo. |
| 22:00.56 | lackdiant | El mensaje de error fue: |
| 22:00.56 | lackdiant | mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /media/flash busy |
| 22:00.56 | lackdiant | mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /media/flash |
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| 22:01.45 | beetlepun | lackdiant, unmount from gnome nautilus browser |
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| 22:02.14 | elnovato | hi |
| 22:02.14 | curt | xorg.conf looks like this: Modes "1280x1024" "1200x800" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 22:02.28 | curt | but resolution settings don't go past 1080 |
| 22:02.48 | elnovato | how to know is a module, (ATI drivers) exists ? |
| 22:02.50 | curt | that's a question... (?) |
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| 22:02.57 | _JuDgEn_ | How do i install a the smp kernel i downloaded through synaptic? |
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| 22:03.10 | chealer | _JuDgEn_: you downloaded a .deb? |
| 22:03.23 | Shadowcat | installing a kernel via synaptic is a bad idea |
| 22:03.26 | Shadowcat | BAD idea |
| 22:03.56 | elnovato | Shadowcat: workerd perfect 100% via synaptic , kernel 2.6.15 |
| 22:03.59 | _unstable | using synaptic is a bad idea |
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| 22:04.10 | Shadowcat | elnovato: which incidently is a broken kernel |
| 22:04.16 | Shadowcat | anything else you need clarified? |
| 22:04.28 | _unstable | elnovato: If you type "modprobe fglrx" it will work and report no error. |
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| 22:05.07 | coolpix | g night :) |
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| 22:05.37 | pm_ | i got a old /etc/ and put it in a debian machine, when i try to create an user i get the error: groupadd: GID 1003 is not unique, how can i fix this? |
| 22:06.03 | Shadowcat | pm_: why did you use the old /etc ? |
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| 22:06.09 | pm_ | an old backup |
| 22:06.13 | friedinand | Hello, |
| 22:06.25 | pm_ | not that old, i've only created some users in the losted /etc |
| 22:06.30 | Shadowcat | pm_: you can't just copy configuration settings and expect them to work flawlessly |
| 22:06.46 | pm_ | the diff btw them is only some users. |
| 22:06.53 | pm_ | that i've created |
| 22:06.59 | Shadowcat | so add them manually by editing /etc/passwd |
| 22:07.01 | Shadowcat | problem solved |
| 22:07.20 | Shadowcat | might need to do some chown'ing |
| 22:07.23 | pm_ | but i must do this with all users that i want to add? |
| 22:07.24 | Hoxzer | do you guys think compiling kernel is too hard for Hoxzer? |
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| 22:07.39 | sam__ | back |
| 22:07.45 | Zrin | I'm trying to verify backup with cmp /dev/cdrom /home/burn/data.iso; but I'm getting "cmp: EOF on /home/burn/data.iso" what should that mean? was the brun successfull? |
| 22:07.45 | phobo | Does Sarge support 3Ware 9500S4-LP 4 Port card when installing standard 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 22:07.45 | curt | maybe |
| 22:07.54 | Shadowcat | pm_: and change the configuration file convering adduser while you're at it so it's at the right uid/gid |
| 22:08.09 | disposable | Hoxzer: not if you strictly follow the debian way |
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| 22:08.35 | friedinand | I execute "passwd root -d" as root what I did ? (I was trying to delete the root passwd) |
| 22:08.39 | Hoxzer | yeah, but when I try to make .deb it gives me error (after 2h WOOT) |
| 22:08.48 | pm_ | Shadowcat so i must edit passwd and shadow? |
| 22:09.00 | Hoxzer | and I can't find out what do I need to disable to fix it |
| 22:09.01 | Shadowcat | pm_: go read what I typed again |
| 22:09.33 | douglas | shadowed password files... sigh, the tinfoil hat crowd |
| 22:09.39 | douglas | give me a break |
| 22:09.51 | disposable | Hoxzer: if it gives you error doing it the deb way it will give you error anyway |
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| 22:10.04 | Shadowcat | disposable: not necessarily |
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| 22:10.24 | Shadowcat | kernel-package updates more quickly than linux kernel packages |
| 22:10.31 | Hoxzer | disposable: I'm trying to say that it gives me error when I try to make deb out of source |
| 22:10.33 | lackdiant | when i want to reload appears the following error |
| 22:10.33 | lackdiant | No se pudo montar el dispositivo. |
| 22:10.33 | lackdiant | El mensaje de error fue: |
| 22:10.33 | lackdiant | mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /media/flash busy |
| 22:10.33 | lackdiant | mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /media/flash |
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| 22:10.51 | Shadowcat | he might just have a broken vversion of kernel-package |
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| 22:11.06 | disposable | Hoxzer: in 99 out of 100 cases it's caused by some module that just won't compile. |
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| 22:11.14 | _JuDgEn_ | chealer, yes |
| 22:11.25 | disposable | Hoxzer: try using the debian config file and then make changes. |
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| 22:11.59 | anonomouse | i just installed debian on a sparc64 and was unable to install a bootloaded.... says you will need to boot manually with /vmlinuz kernel on partition /dev/hda1 and root=/dev/hda2 passed as the kernel argument |
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| 22:12.05 | pm_ | Shadowcat thanks! |
| 22:12.11 | Hoxzer | disposable: eh.......... I cannot even make deb |
| 22:12.12 | anonomouse | how would i do that at the ok prompt? |
| 22:12.16 | _JuDgEn_ | chealer, is a .deb not installable locally? or what? |
| 22:12.36 | _JuDgEn_ | chealer, http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian-fglrx-xfree86/index.html that is what i downloaded |
| 22:12.43 | chealer | _JuDgEn_: it is, but why did you do that? |
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| 22:12.56 | Lukeg | _JuDgEn_: too old driver, we currently are at 8.22.5 version |
| 22:13.10 | lackdiant | can you read me? |
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| 22:13.22 | chealer | _JuDgEn_: hum, are you asking about fglrx or installing an SMP kernel? |
| 22:13.23 | disposable | Hoxzer: use the config file of an existing kernel as in /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 22:13.29 | chealer | lackdiant: yes |
| 22:13.32 | Lukeg | lackdiant: seems so |
| 22:13.43 | lackdiant | ok |
| 22:13.51 | lackdiant | did you read about my problem with usb disk? |
| 22:13.57 | Hoxzer | Disbposable: ok |
| 22:14.01 | friedinand | What 'passwd login -d' do ? |
| 22:14.04 | Hoxzer | but I think I just reinstall knoppmyth |
| 22:14.16 | tziku | !tell tziku about ddos |
| 22:14.18 | Hoxzer | its faster |
| 22:14.41 | Lukeg | lackdiant: you can"t mount your usb disk, but it seems already mounted, no? |
| 22:14.54 | lackdiant | no, it's already mounted |
| 22:15.03 | lackdiant | i can see files on /media/flash |
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| 22:15.07 | Lukeg | lackdiant: and what do u wanna do exactly? |
| 22:15.21 | lackdiant | but when i put usb on pc appears a window |
| 22:15.28 | lackdiant | with the options i want to do |
| 22:15.30 | _JuDgEn_ | chealer, both actually |
| 22:15.37 | lackdiant | i select open the window |
| 22:15.49 | lackdiant | and opens system:/media/sda1 and it's empt |
| 22:15.50 | zerve_the_death | ???? |
| 22:16.00 | davidcsi | how do i reinstall grub? grub-install doesn't work |
| 22:16.21 | lackdiant | i try to reload and appers an error which says usb is already mounted on /media/flash |
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| 22:16.42 | Lukeg | lackdiant: /media/sda1 or /media/flash ? |
| 22:16.44 | disposable | davidcsi: grub-install /dev/hda? |
| 22:16.51 | lackdiant | whatever |
| 22:16.56 | chealer | _JuDgEn_: why do you download .deb manually? |
| 22:17.16 | lackdiant | i had on /media/sda1 before and i changed it |
| 22:17.16 | davidcsi | disposable: didn't do a thing... it is still giving me ERROR 17 |
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| 22:17.31 | lackdiant | and mounts well in /media/... |
| 22:17.40 | _JuDgEn_ | chealer, no reason. im not used to the apt-get ways yet |
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| 22:18.19 | lackdiant | i think it's a problem with hal |
| 22:18.26 | disposable | davidcsi: aaah, have googled around to see what that means? |
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| 22:18.34 | chealer | _JuDgEn_: I guess. you may want to read the APT HOWTO, or/and try synaptic. see man dpkg to install a .deb manually |
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| 22:18.50 | davidcsi | yes, it doesn't recognizes the filesystem |
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| 22:19.07 | seele_ | I can't understand why I can open other pages normally except hotmail.com .......... my firewall is ok .... how can I check if hotmail.com is blocking me? |
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| 22:19.31 | douglas | seele_: you using opera? |
| 22:19.57 | seele_ | douglas, all my clients can't access to hotmail |
| 22:19.58 | davidcsi | but the file system is ok, i mount it with knoppix |
| 22:20.10 | seele_ | douglas, firefox ... explorer ... links |
| 22:20.13 | disposable | davidcsi: and what filesystem is it? jfs xfs have problems |
| 22:20.19 | davidcsi | ext3 |
| 22:20.26 | seele_ | douglas, hotmail.com no works |
| 22:20.28 | davidcsi | jeez |
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| 22:20.33 | douglas | yo that's whack. |
| 22:20.36 | lackdiant | does anybody know about hal? |
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| 22:20.59 | kspath | Whack the yo. |
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| 22:21.22 | abrotman | lackdiant: evil computer .. good movie |
| 22:21.30 | disposable | davidcsi: beats me. |
| 22:21.38 | davidcsi | so what do i do? i think if i reinstall grub from '0' zero it'll work |
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| 22:21.50 | pm_ | what can cause this: ping: unknown host www.debian.org, i've just connected to a vpn and now i cant ping anymore, which change could the vpnc-client make so i get this response when i try to ping? |
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| 22:22.01 | Lukeg | pm_: check your dns |
| 22:22.08 | abrotman | pm_: it doesn't allow icmp ? |
| 22:22.26 | kspath | if it is a TCP tunnel that makes sense |
| 22:22.31 | deternal | pm_, maybe the vpn tunnel is setup to not accept icmp |
| 22:22.32 | pm_ | Lukeg my dns is just like before i connect to the vpn, the resolv.conf is equal. |
| 22:22.33 | kspath | ICMP is not TCP |
| 22:22.53 | deternal | no its just ip |
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| 22:23.02 | pm_ | deternal but im not trying to ping it, im trying to ping the internet |
| 22:23.10 | NGo | hello |
| 22:23.10 | NGo | I've installed vlc, and it doesn't play videos |
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| 22:23.34 | deternal | pm_, så jo disconnected the vpn tunnel |
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| 22:23.44 | pm_ | Lukeg i use the dnsmasq as dns server, but im running the vpn from the dnsserver machine. |
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| 22:24.05 | kspath | omg |
| 22:24.09 | cievo | ALL: hello, I have one problem with Postfix...it doesnt log FROM part of an e-mails. Only TO part. Can anyone help me? |
| 22:24.19 | pm_ | deternal see, im connected and i cant ping, but if i restart the nerworking service, even with the vpn running i can ping again. |
| 22:24.49 | deternal | ehm, if you disconnect doesnt that kill the vpn tunnel? |
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| 22:25.06 | deternal | it should and then you would need to restart the vpn client to reconnect the tunnel |
| 22:25.11 | torix | How do I determine what programs are using my sound card? |
| 22:25.17 | kspath | cievo: #postfix and you might consider studying about SMTP and ESMTP |
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| 22:25.44 | pm_ | deternal, in the ifconfig, after the restart, i can see the tun0 connection.. |
| 22:26.15 | cievo | kspath: h...i will try #postfix...thanks. |
| 22:26.22 | pm_ | deternal which file the vpnclient must change so i cant ping anymore? all the configs are ok, im using the resolvconf too. |
| 22:26.24 | deternal | yes, I can see my eth0 too even if its disconnected |
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| 22:26.57 | pm_ | deternal hmm, so maybe when i restart the service i lost the vpn, but when i connect the vpn i lost the eth* |
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| 22:27.41 | deternal | well, if you are using a vpn client the client /should/ disconnect you from the internet and only let you connect to the internet thru the network you've connected to via vpn |
| 22:28.05 | deternal | meaning that you should be able to ping something on the net which you connected to |
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| 22:28.49 | zerve_the_death | what about acls? |
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| 22:28.55 | FliesLikeALap | does anyone know how to use vbetool to get around the freeze errors on resume from sleep/hibernate when using glx drivers for ati? |
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| 22:29.15 | pm_ | deternal so if i use the vpn i cant use the internet? why that if is 2 different connections? i got the eth0 to the internet and tun0 to the vpn, and i have both dns servers in the resolv.conf. |
| 22:30.01 | zerve_the_death | pm_ did you setup any acls? |
| 22:30.01 | delire | any idea why fdisk -l would give: "/dev/sda1 1 36481 293033601 6 FAT16" while mount gives the (correct): "/dev/sda1 on /mnt/extern type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)"? |
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| 22:30.40 | deternal | pm_, the standard way to set up a vpn client is to make all ip traffic go thru the vpn tunnel. Otherwise connecting with vpn just makes you a weak point in the firewall |
| 22:30.50 | delire | suspicious is also the fact i'm going getting 262G avail on this empty 300G sucker.. |
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| 22:30.58 | deternal | which also means you would be connecting to the internet via the net connection on the other end of the vpn tunnel |
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| 22:32.30 | pm_ | deternal so in the resolv.conf i just have to list the vpn nameserver? |
| 22:32.40 | Althaser | someone know if mail-notification can be use hotmail accounts ? please |
| 22:32.49 | abrotman | pm_: can you ping by IP ? |
| 22:32.54 | abrotman | Althaser: try it . let us know |
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| 22:33.22 | NGo | I've installed vlc, and it doesn't work |
| 22:33.28 | deternal | pm_, after you connect on the vpn tunnel, can you ping something inside the lan you are connected too? |
| 22:33.36 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 22:33.36 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 22:33.49 | curt | dpkg sets mode +dickweed curt!*@*.* |
| 22:34.00 | NGo | I mean, when I try to play a vcd, it just gives me an awful long noise |
| 22:34.01 | Althaser | abrotman I'm not to get it ;( |
| 22:34.07 | NGo | can anybody help me? |
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| 22:34.26 | streuner | NGo: did you try another vcd? |
| 22:34.30 | NGo | yes |
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| 22:34.52 | streuner | NGo: ok, tried mplayer or xine? |
| 22:35.01 | AnonymousHive | Did anyone say anything in response to my question? |
| 22:35.01 | NGo | no |
| 22:35.02 | NGo | but |
| 22:35.02 | graytron | NGo: try another audio channel |
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| 22:35.23 | AnonymousHive | Can anyone help me with basic steps to setting up a printer in Debian/Fluxbox |
| 22:35.23 | NGo | I gave format to the linux partition |
| 22:35.38 | NGo | before the format, I had debian with vlc |
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| 22:35.43 | NGo | and it worked fine |
| 22:35.49 | Bonker | is there any solution for udev/kernel 2.6.15? |
| 22:36.26 | curt | AnonymousHive, apt-get install cups |
| 22:37.02 | chealer | Bonker: your question seems truncated |
| 22:37.42 | AnonymousHive | curt: There is no cups in the testing repositories. However, cupssys and other packages are in there |
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| 22:38.18 | curt | AnonymousHive, why testing? |
| 22:38.29 | abrotman | why not? |
| 22:38.44 | curt | heya abrotman |
| 22:38.48 | AnonymousHive | curt: Because Stable is just too old for me |
| 22:38.52 | curt | whhy not Sarge |
| 22:38.58 | graytron | NGo: what are you trying to play with vcd? |
| 22:39.21 | AnonymousHive | curt: Trying to resolve all the dependencies that you have with newer software on Sarge just bugged the heck out of me, so I distupgraded to etch |
| 22:39.25 | graytron | NGo: try --dvdaudio or --dvdchannel options. see the man page |
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| 22:39.50 | NGo | I'm trying to play a video |
| 22:40.10 | NGo | and it doesn't show me the video, and gives me an awful noise |
| 22:40.15 | graytron | oh |
| 22:40.18 | graytron | nevermind then |
| 22:40.27 | pm_ | deternal no, i cant ping anything... |
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| 22:40.44 | NGo | so, what can I do? |
| 22:40.46 | m4lu6 | sheesh. how do I pass "-j4" to make-kpkg during kernel_image build? |
| 22:40.50 | curt | AnonymousHive, apt-get install cupsys |
| 22:41.17 | graytron | NGo: does vlc use mplayer's codecs? |
| 22:41.30 | streuner | sure |
| 22:41.30 | NGo | I don't think |
| 22:41.30 | NGo | so |
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| 22:41.45 | streuner | if they are installed, every media-player use those... |
| 22:41.59 | pm_ | deternal is that normal? |
| 22:42.36 | NGo | but, if vlc worked before I gave format to my system.. I don't know really why it isn't working now |
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| 22:42.50 | graytron | streuner: good |
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| 22:43.18 | streuner | vlc has a bunch of codecs in the package |
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| 22:43.33 | streuner | but better is to have the codecs of marillat installed |
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| 22:44.10 | streuner | they are almost equal as the 'Essential Codecs' of mplayer's website |
| 22:45.34 | graytron | NGo: you could try with those marillat / mplayer codecs. might help, or not |
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| 22:46.29 | pm_ | deternal are you there? |
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| 22:47.07 | deternal | nop |
| 22:47.24 | deternal | you should be able to ping something on the subnet you connected to |
| 22:47.32 | deternal | atleast the vpn gateway |
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| 22:48.18 | pm_ | deternal yes...thats strange, but what could cause that error: Operation Not permited? |
| 22:48.24 | pm_ | when i try to ping |
| 22:48.26 | aidan | debian would like me to type in "yes, do as I say!" ... Is there another way to switch to bash3? |
| 22:48.35 | aidan | (other than apt-get remove bash) |
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| 22:49.37 | deternal | hmm doesnt sound normal |
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| 22:49.45 | AnonymousHive | How do you get cups to use a driver it didn't come with? |
| 22:49.49 | deternal | which vpn client where you using? |
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| 22:50.09 | pm_ | deternal vpnc |
| 22:50.34 | jelly-ho | AnonymousHive: driver == ppd file? |
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| 22:52.27 | deternal | pm_, you have control of the vpn gateway? |
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| 22:53.45 | delire | anyone experienced: "sed: -e expression #1, char 20: unterminated `s' command" when trying to tab complete with scp or ssh? strangely when i mv my .ssh/known_hosts to a new location i no longer get this output.. |
| 22:53.58 | Bonker | any backport for kernel 2.6.12 to fix the udev problem when getting 2.6.15 afterwards? |
| 22:54.29 | stew | delire: there is a patch in the bts for bash |
| 22:54.35 | pm_ | deternal no |
| 22:54.40 | stew | delire: its a bug in the bash_completion for ssh |
| 22:54.41 | delire | stew: hah cheers.. |
| 22:54.48 | deternal | AnonymousHive, check http://linuxprinting.org/ |
| 22:54.57 | pm_ | deternal what do you think that can be this? |
| 22:55.10 | delire | stew: good to know it's been driving me bonkers ;) |
| 22:55.15 | pm_ | deternal, if i use the vpnclient for windows i can connect on it... |
| 22:55.29 | pm_ | deternal the problem happens only in the linux machine, |
| 22:55.34 | delire | stew: i notice it also hits rsync.. |
| 22:55.54 | jelly-ho | delire: there's a bug in the bash-completions script. |
| 22:55.55 | stew | delire: not suprising since rsync goes over ssh by defualt |
| 22:56.04 | jelly-ho | eh. |
| 22:56.14 | delire | stew: so i see.. even for local syncs |
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| 22:56.50 | jilocasin | evening all |
| 22:56.54 | jelly-ho | delire: look for "$'\t '" and remove the double quotes around $'\t ' |
| 22:56.59 | chealer | Bonker: which udev problem? |
| 22:57.09 | dondelelcaro | delire: nah, it's just that a ssh hostname is a valid completion for what would be a path on a local sync |
| 22:57.16 | delire | jelly-ho: hah.. nice one. |
| 22:57.24 | deternal | pm_, the vpn gateway is a cisco easyvpn gateway? as far as I can see it only works with that |
| 22:57.27 | delire | dondelelcaro: gotcha |
| 22:57.45 | jilocasin | smbclient returns NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
| 22:57.46 | jilocasin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.50 | pm_ | deternal dunno, but my vpn windows client is the cisco client... |
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| 22:58.14 | zerve_the_death | ICMP? |
| 22:58.18 | jelly-ho | delire: Lucky for you, I've seen that error today at a coworkers shell... I don't even use bash. ;-) |
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| 22:58.46 | dondelelcaro | actually, that bug has been around for a while... |
| 22:58.49 | delire | jelly-ho: often use zsh myself, but only when on my own machine. |
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| 23:00.13 | deternal | yes, but as far as I could see its only tested for cisco easyvpn whatever that is |
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| 23:01.46 | Bonker | chealer the problem that the udev version required to install kernel 2.6.15 requires kernel >2.6.12 wich is not in the list. I'm backporting 2.6.12 now |
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| 23:01.55 | delire | No.2 anyone have any idea why fdisk -l incorrectly gives fs: "/dev/sda1 1 36481 293033601 6 FAT16" when mount gives the correct: "/dev/sda1 on /mnt/extern type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)"? is fdisk looking at a part of the table i don't know about (this disk came with fat16)? |
| 23:02.06 | jelly-ho | whoever wrote that script forgot that $stuff expands in double quotes too. Also, there's no need to use $'\t' on Linux cause Linux's sed understands \t itself. |
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| 23:02.43 | delire | .. i dd'd the disk btw.. |
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| 23:03.36 | \amethyst | delire: there's an entry in the partition table that holds fs type |
| 23:03.46 | chealer | Bonker: the udev-kernel-initramfs dependency loop? a backport to what? |
| 23:03.47 | \amethyst | delire: but Linux looks at more than that when mounting |
| 23:04.17 | delire | \amethyst: yes, but even after writing the entire disk with zeros? |
| 23:04.36 | mark__ | I know how to fix the samba login failure |
| 23:04.53 | \amethyst | delire: the disk or the partition? |
| 23:05.06 | delire | \amethyst: the disk |
| 23:05.17 | \amethyst | delire: how did you create the partition afterwards? |
| 23:05.31 | Bonker | chealer I'm backporting 2.6.12 kernel that the old udev can handle to upgrade udev afterwards to get kernel 2.6.15 |
| 23:06.24 | delire | \amethyst: as i always have, with cfdisk and then wrote an ext2 table with mkfs.ext2. later i changed my mind and tune2fs -j the partition giving it an ext3 journal. |
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| 23:06.40 | \amethyst | delire: perhaps cfdisk defaults to fat16 fstype then |
| 23:06.47 | eeyore- | delire: fdisk is looking at the partition ID |
| 23:06.55 | \amethyst | delire: you can change it with the 't' command in fdisk |
| 23:07.02 | delire | \amethyst: hmm.. the manual says it defaults to type 'Linux' which is ext2 |
| 23:07.07 | eeyore- | delire: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 23:07.17 | \amethyst | delire: type 83 is `Linux' |
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| 23:07.36 | \amethyst | delire: again, it doesn't really matter for Linux, but if you care :) |
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| 23:07.39 | ChrisW | anyone ever configured nullmailer here? |
| 23:07.41 | Severy | hi |
| 23:07.44 | delire | \amethyst: yes that is consistent with what the manual says.. |
| 23:07.48 | m4lu6 | sheesh. how do I pass "-j4" to make-kpkg during kernel_image build? |
| 23:07.56 | delire | eeyore-: see above.. |
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| 23:08.03 | eeyore- | delire: partition ID usually doesn't matter, unless you plan to use Windows on that drive in which case it (Windows) will go stupid trying to access the fat-16 partition |
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| 23:08.16 | eeyore- | delire: i see above. i'm telling you that you are a little confused :-) |
| 23:08.25 | delire | eeyore-: i figure that.. it almost appears as a bug.. |
| 23:08.26 | eeyore- | delire: forget what the manual say |
| 23:08.33 | Severy | i just managed to get my onboard sound working... but i have very bad sound quality, anyone know what i can do about that? |
| 23:08.36 | eeyore- | delire: no, you're misunderstanding what the manual says |
| 23:08.36 | delire | eeyore-: i always hate hearing that ;) |
| 23:08.53 | eeyore- | delire: or, the situation is slightly different, or doesn't apply |
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| 23:09.30 | \amethyst | It says " By default, new partitions are created as Linux partitions" |
| 23:09.53 | delire | eeyore-: i figure that if i dd a disk once hosting fat16 with zeros, fdisk should forget about the original fs type and report the current fs. it matters only on an aesthetic level admittedly as mount is to be relied on.. |
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| 23:10.21 | friedinand | Hello! |
| 23:10.30 | eeyore- | delire: since i don't know exactly what you did, i can't (and probably shouldn't) argue the point any further :-) good luck |
| 23:10.35 | elnovato | how to check if a module is loadded and installed? |
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| 23:10.43 | eeyore- | elnovato: lsmod |
| 23:10.53 | Dacu | k |
| 23:11.00 | elnovato | eeyore-: ty |
| 23:11.09 | delire | eeyore-: well this has happened to me for years.. a slight annoyance at the worst. |
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| 23:12.11 | LesleyB | Severy, have you rebooted since getting it working ? |
| 23:12.20 | Severy | not yet |
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| 23:12.42 | xDriveGal | anyone know off hand what option is used for Apache2 to resolve addresses in the logs? Right now it's only getting ip. |
| 23:12.57 | hugoboss | HI! Does anybody knows how to solve seg fault for firefox 1.5? |
| 23:12.58 | eeyore- | finally nano-itx boards are available, but they're darned expensive and limited to "project customers" only, $400-ish price point |
| 23:13.01 | Severy | ill try it... |
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| 23:13.14 | eeyore- | at this rate the Aopen mac-mini-lookalike is looking much better |
| 23:13.27 | LesleyB | do you really want to resolve xDriveGal ? |
| 23:13.51 | xDriveGal | LesleyB Not a good idea? |
| 23:13.53 | delire | eeyore-: i agree. i have my eyes on that myself.. |
| 23:14.00 | LesleyB | well |
| 23:14.13 | LesleyB | not if the DNS is down for some reason xDriveGal |
| 23:14.38 | eeyore- | Aopen Pandora |
| 23:14.41 | LesleyB | you need to be able to access that to resolve the IP addies to domain names and if it's down what get's writ to the log? |
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| 23:15.30 | xDriveGal | I see... |
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| 23:16.18 | jilocasin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.26 | delire | eeyore-: now that apple have gone intel, their price-point for being architecturally exotic doesn't apply. competitors look alot more interesting all of a sudden.. |
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| 23:17.06 | tombs | hi all |
| 23:17.26 | LesleyB | if you ave a problem with any particular IP addy then you can use resolver to find out who it is xDriveGal |
| 23:17.34 | elliotf | hello all.. getting a problem on sarge i386, kernel 2.6.8-16sarge1, kernel is spewing errors like: __find_get_block_slow() failed. block=8192, b_blocknr=18446744073709551615 |
| 23:17.34 | elliotf | b_state=0x00000000, b_size=1024 |
| 23:17.38 | elliotf | over and over again. |
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| 23:18.01 | eeyore- | i don't particularly care for apple products ... still crash prone. even their iPods crashes. stupid stupid stupid. |
| 23:18.04 | hugoboss | jilocasin: try to ping your ip first. maybe your card is down |
| 23:18.07 | xDriveGal | resolver is just a host lookup? |
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| 23:18.10 | dogmeat | how can i get sound to work on sarge? |
| 23:18.11 | elliotf | problem goes away on reboot, but does not go away otherwise. kjournald and klogd eat all available CPU |
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| 23:18.18 | xDriveGal | I see your point though. |
| 23:18.19 | rodrigo | hi |
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| 23:18.35 | rodrigo | can anyone help me to make my sound work? |
| 23:18.37 | elliotf | googling has not provided any hints, other than kernel patches from year+ ago |
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| 23:18.45 | jilocasin | hugoboss: thanks for the answer, ping the IP works fine smbclient -I xx.xx.xx.xx -L user |
| 23:18.56 | tansaku | hi - I have a question about compiling apache on debian |
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| 23:19.10 | jilocasin | asks for a password then tells me session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
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| 23:19.31 | delire | eeyore-: i'm not going near the stuff after seeing so many g4's and ibooks owned by friends go up in pearly white smoke within 2 years.. |
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| 23:19.44 | tansaku | apologies if this should go to the apache channel, but even after installing apache-dev I have no special.mk file on my system, which seems to be required |
| 23:19.47 | hugoboss | jilocasin: is the win box in the same (logical) network of your linux box? |
| 23:19.57 | hugoboss | jilocasin: ...same mask? |
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| 23:19.59 | jilocasin | yep. both on the 192.168.1 net |
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| 23:20.35 | hugoboss | jilocasin: when you ping the win box, what command prompt says? |
| 23:20.45 | jilocasin | hugoboss: can mount shares/use printer/etc when I reboot this box into Win2k, reboot into deb and NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
| 23:21.20 | Thanatermesis | (EE) MGA: Failed to load module "mga_hal" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 23:21.30 | jilocasin | hugoboss: 64 bytes from 192.168.1.x: icmp_seq=n ttl=128 time=x.xx ms |
| 23:21.32 | Thanatermesis | it is suposed to i don't have 3d acceleration on my matrox ? |
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| 23:21.50 | jilocasin | hugoboss: keeps going until I cntrl-C |
| 23:21.53 | hugoboss | jilocasin: o, your pinging it wright |
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| 23:22.11 | hugoboss | jilocasin: you have connectivity |
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| 23:22.46 | jilocasin | hugoboss: that much I know, it doesn't matter if I use an actuall account on that box, or just make something up, same result. |
| 23:22.53 | Teratogen | where is the debian ftp site that has all of the packages? |
| 23:23.00 | Teratogen | or http site. |
| 23:23.17 | _rene_ | anywhere |
| 23:23.28 | hugoboss | jilocasin: what do you mean by that? |
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| 23:23.38 | Teratogen | I need to iterate through every package to extract file information |
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| 23:24.09 | jilocasin | hugoboss: smbclient -I xx.xx.xx.xx -L <actual_user> returns Password: prompt |
| 23:24.20 | jilocasin | hugoboss: enter valid password, error |
| 23:24.38 | Teratogen | I guess I should word it as "where is the debian web or ftp site that has all of the packages" |
| 23:24.40 | Teratogen | =) |
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| 23:24.42 | jilocasin | hugoboss: smbclient -I xx.xx.xx.xx -L <foo_doesn't actually exist> returns Password: |
| 23:24.51 | _rene_ | anywhere |
| 23:24.52 | jilocasin | hugoboss: anything returns same error |
| 23:24.53 | _rene_ | still. |
| 23:24.56 | \amethyst | Teratogen: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:25.14 | Teratogen | amethyst I am not on a debian system |
| 23:25.24 | seele_ | snif |
| 23:25.26 | rodrigo | how do I make the numlock to be on at startup? |
| 23:25.39 | Lukeg | numlockx ? |
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| 23:26.08 | \amethyst | Teratogen: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ |
| 23:26.14 | hugoboss | jilocasin: are you writing the pass of your account in win box? |
| 23:26.15 | Thanatermesis | the matrox cards needs a external driver or thing than in debian ? |
| 23:26.22 | Teratogen | thanks |
| 23:26.50 | Seb | Thanatermesis: coudln't quite parse that statement, but I'm inclined to answer "no". |
| 23:27.15 | Thanatermesis | direct rendering: No |
| 23:27.17 | Teratogen | you see I can find this http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/contrib/binary-i386/Packages |
| 23:27.22 | ootput | Thanatermesis: matrox cards are fine |
| 23:27.24 | \amethyst | Teratogen: the packages themselves are under pool/, but you probably want metadata from dists/{stable,unstable,testing}/ |
| 23:27.24 | Teratogen | which has DESCRIPTIONS of all the packages |
| 23:27.28 | hugoboss | jilocasin: try "smbclient xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -U <username>" where username is your account in win box |
| 23:27.29 | jilocasin | hugoboss: yes, if I have an account on the win2k box (user/pass) I an using user/pass at the smbclient |
| 23:27.31 | Teratogen | but I can't find the packages themselves |
| 23:27.34 | Teratogen | ah, pool. |
| 23:27.41 | \amethyst | Teratogen: |
| 23:27.51 | jilocasin | hugoboss: I've got that as well |
| 23:27.52 | \amethyst | oop |
| 23:27.55 | Thanatermesis | ootput but looks to i not have 3d acceleration :/ |
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| 23:28.01 | jilocasin | hugoboss: that's not it. |
| 23:28.25 | piclez | hi, please how can I recompile PHP on Debian? (I used apt-get) |
| 23:28.31 | Teratogen | yep that's what I was looking for thanks amethyst |
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| 23:28.34 | Seb | piclez: recompile for what ? |
| 23:28.45 | \amethyst | piclez: you need to get the source package |
| 23:28.52 | hugoboss | jilocasin: sorry, I can't help you anymore |
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| 23:29.10 | Teratogen | amethyst, those are binary packages? |
| 23:29.11 | jilocasin | hugoboss: thanks for trying |
| 23:29.14 | ootput | Thanatermesis: it's a shame debianplanet.org is still down |
| 23:29.32 | ootput | Thanatermesis: you may to use the google cache of "debian dri matrox" |
| 23:29.35 | piclez | \amethyst: hey thanks, I got the source and I tried to run ./debian/rules binary but got erros |
| 23:29.38 | ootput | *+need |
| 23:29.46 | \amethyst | piclez: do you have all the build-dependencies? |
| 23:29.54 | Teratogen | err, \amethyst, I mean |
| 23:30.00 | ootput | Thanatermesis: http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:bBJD1RUtLUkJ:lists.debian.org/debian-user-0108/msg00380.html+debian+dri+matrox&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=opera |
| 23:30.10 | jilocasin | Anyone else have a suggetion? |
| 23:30.11 | \amethyst | Teratogen: I wasn't sure |
| 23:30.14 | Seb | piclez: why do you think you need to recompile ? |
| 23:30.30 | Teratogen | I guess if it's a src deb it would have .src. in the file name somewhere |
| 23:30.32 | ootput | Thanatermesis: oh sorry, that's not it |
| 23:30.40 | ootput | http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:hK6V7OXjKpEJ:www.debianplanet.org/debianplanet/article.php%3Fsid%3D256%26mode%3Dthread%26order%3D0+debian+dri+matrox&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&client=opera |
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| 23:31.02 | \amethyst | apt-get source <package> will unpack it |
| 23:31.06 | piclez | Seb: I wanna have payflow pro module for PHP, I need ./configure --with-pfpro=/etc. |
| 23:31.19 | \amethyst | It's not a src.deb, but rather a combination of a tar, a patch, and a control file |
| 23:31.34 | piclez | \amethyst: I'm not sure, how can I check it? |
| 23:31.49 | Seb | piclez: then apt-get ousrce foo, apt-get builddep foo, and use dpkg-buildpackage to build the deb |
| 23:31.54 | \amethyst | piclez: apt-get build-deb php4 |
| 23:31.57 | \amethyst | piclez: apt-get build-dep php4 |
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| 23:32.12 | \amethyst | piclez: that will install all the build dependencies |
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| 23:32.35 | piclez | I get Building Dependency Tree... Done E: Build-dependencies for php4 could not be satisfied. |
| 23:32.35 | \amethyst | piclez: look at the dsc file to see the list |
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| 23:33.10 | \amethyst | piclez: hm |
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| 23:33.25 | \amethyst | piclez: you might want to look at pbuilder then |
| 23:33.26 | piclez | bad? hehe |
| 23:33.39 | piclez | pbuilder? |
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| 23:34.00 | Seb | piclez: do run apt-get build-dep php4 lpease |
| 23:34.01 | Teratogen | next question, how do I "open" up a .deb file so I can look at the contents |
| 23:34.03 | \amethyst | piclez: that will create a chroot environment and install only the necessary packages to build it |
| 23:34.07 | Seb | Teratogen: ar |
| 23:34.07 | Teratogen | is it actually a .bz2 file? |
| 23:34.08 | Blastur | hey! can anyone recommend software for debian so that my router can give priority to certain hosts? I have an IP phone connected behind my router, and it sometimes gets bad quality when im downloading, so I was thinking I could give priority to that IP, or MAC or whatever.. the router itself is a Debian box, running Sarge |
| 23:34.11 | Teratogen | ah |
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| 23:34.12 | Teratogen | thanks |
| 23:34.16 | \amethyst | Seb: he did that, it couldn't satisfy |
| 23:34.28 | piclez | Seb :( |
| 23:34.34 | \amethyst | piclez: chances are one of the build dependencies conflicts with some other package you already have installed |
| 23:34.47 | Seb | we'd need the actual error msg then |
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| 23:34.52 | piclez | I see |
| 23:35.12 | beginer | i need a driver for INTEX Night Vision Webcam... any ideea? |
| 23:35.22 | Seb | beginer: google |
| 23:35.39 | beginer | i search from two days... |
| 23:35.39 | piclez | I had already php installed |
| 23:36.14 | beginer | anyone know to build a driver? i pay for it |
| 23:36.19 | \amethyst | btw, build-deps for php4 indirectly include apache2 and apache |
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| 23:36.40 | \amethyst | not the servers, but the devel packages |
| 23:37.00 | \amethyst | and gnome 1 |
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| 23:37.46 | piclez | \amethyst ok thanks a lot. I have no idea what to do now |
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| 23:38.06 | \amethyst | piclez: you might also want to look at apt-build |
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| 23:38.18 | \amethyst | piclez: or try to resolve the dependencies manually |
| 23:38.40 | \amethyst | piclez: aptitude is pretty good at handling conflicts |
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| 23:38.48 | sciboy | G'day. |
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| 23:40.01 | jelly-ho | beginer: stupid question, have you googled for INTEX webcam Linux ? |
| 23:40.26 | sciboy | Heya, i am running this really flimsy java based daemon, and it does die on occassion, i was wondering how i could get the server to make sure the daemon is running and if not start it back up again? |
| 23:40.36 | piclez | \amethyst thanks my friend ;) |
| 23:40.45 | \amethyst | sciboy: run it in a loop in a shell script |
| 23:40.49 | piclez | how to resolve the dependencies manually? |
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| 23:41.29 | markos_64 | where do i report/browse bugs? |
| 23:41.29 | hugoboss | Can anyone help me with the sf problem of firefox 1.5 in unstable? |
| 23:41.31 | \amethyst | piclez: look for the packages in the Build-Depends: line in the dsc, add them one at a time in aptitude (/package to find the package, then + to add it) |
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| 23:41.55 | markos_64 | like, info segfaulting when i press backspace |
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| 23:42.33 | piclez | Ok ;) will try this :) |
| 23:42.45 | piclez | it sucks haha |
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| 23:43.38 | dogmeat | how can i activate sound on sarge? /dev/dsp is available for software to open |
| 23:43.51 | jilocasin | bye all |
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| 23:43.58 | elnovato | dogmeat: alsaconf |
| 23:44.10 | sparr | all sorts of programs segfaulting, kicker, kwin, games, xterm. no sound from my primary sound output. machine totally locked up twice today. im thinking the upgrade to 2.6.15 was premature |
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| 23:45.19 | \amethyst | dogmeat: activate in what sense? Do media players work? |
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| 23:45.45 | dogmeat | \amethyst, just get sound to work, so playing mp3 or ogg files outputs sound in the headset |
| 23:46.01 | \amethyst | dogmeat: what does it do right now? |
| 23:46.40 | dogmeat | \amethyst, no sound at all, programs open /dev/dsp, and shows as if playing in the music players |
| 23:46.57 | \amethyst | dogmeat: and you only have the one sound card? |
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| 23:47.11 | dogmeat | yeah |
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| 23:47.24 | \amethyst | dogmeat: run aumix |
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| 23:47.32 | \amethyst | dogmeat: is volume or pcm muted? |
| 23:47.41 | dogmeat | no |
| 23:47.52 | GloX | How can I get proftpd to bind to a specific ip ? It's listening on *:21 by default, I tried Bind and DefaultAddress |
| 23:48.03 | dogmeat | just apt-get alsaconf |
| 23:48.44 | \amethyst | dogmeat: do you get any messages to stderr? |
| 23:48.58 | dogmeat | \amethyst, no, running aumix seems ok, but no sounds |
| 23:48.59 | \amethyst | dogmeat: with, say, a console mp3 player? |
| 23:49.24 | markos_64 | wtf? querybts crashed when i was trying to report a bug! |
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| 23:50.00 | \amethyst | markos_64: hmm... is it possible your terminfo descriptions got corrupted? |
| 23:51.07 | markos_64 | \amethyst: well... don't think so |
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| 23:51.19 | markos_64 | \amethyst: using TERM=xterm-color, though i'm under screen in reality |
| 23:51.46 | markos_64 | \amethyst: besides, it shows screen for a while, then screams and dies |
| 23:51.59 | \amethyst | markos_64: hmm... why not TERM=screen ? |
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| 23:52.27 | markos_64 | \amethyst: well... i recall some weird issues involving color support on remote host when telnetting... |
| 23:52.34 | markos_64 | will try... |
| 23:52.45 | piclez | how to find a package I wanna download? |
| 23:53.04 | \amethyst | piclez: apt-get install <package> |
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| 23:53.13 | \amethyst | or, better, aptitude install <package> |
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| 23:53.38 | piclez | aptitude is new? |
| 23:53.46 | markos_64 | what's the difference between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 23:53.48 | \amethyst | it's a front-end to apt-get |
| 23:53.50 | psychonate | K3B back in testing?! I have become sexually aroused. |
| 23:53.58 | piclez | nice |
| 23:53.59 | \amethyst | aptitude has better conflict handling, IMHO |
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| 23:54.01 | piclez | didnt know |
| 23:54.14 | \amethyst | it gives you a choice of which resolution method to take |
| 23:54.23 | \amethyst | it's like a little logic solver |
| 23:54.29 | phu | anyone know how to touch a file over NFS |
| 23:54.37 | jair | guys anybody have a tutorial about the installation of a wireless pcmcia cards on Linux debian stable 3.1? |
| 23:54.41 | \amethyst | and it has a nice interactive mode, too |
| 23:54.55 | \amethyst | which I prefer to dselect |
| 23:55.11 | nkuttler | phu: what do you mean? |
| 23:55.33 | phu | I can't touch (setting the time) of a file over NFS |
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| 23:55.42 | nkuttler | phu: why not? |
| 23:55.43 | piclez | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.44 | phu | operation not permitted |
| 23:56.05 | phu | I can touch locally, but not over NFS |
| 23:56.12 | xDriveGal | who was I talking to about apache2 logs resolving ip's? |
| 23:56.15 | xDriveGal | :| |
| 23:56.24 | phu | it must has something about security setting |
| 23:56.46 | nkuttler | phu: you can't touch it as root? try man exports |
| 23:56.48 | phu | what wireless card are you using |
| 23:56.59 | piclez | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.03 | phu | what wireless card are you using |
| 23:57.03 | piclez | update 1st right |
| 23:57.13 | phu | yes |
| 23:57.49 | \amethyst | piclez: /~N and /~v, I think |
| 23:58.10 | phu | in my exports, /usr/src/linux 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(rw) |
| 23:58.16 | jelly-ho | phu: maybe the filesystem is exported read-only? |
| 23:58.21 | jelly-ho | eh |
| 23:58.22 | piclez | cool |
| 23:58.29 | jelly-ho | slow typer. |
| 23:58.58 | phu | I changed everything under linux directory rw to everybody |
| 23:59.01 | jelly-ho | phu: can you touch files as a user? |
| 23:59.12 | phu | locally, yes |
| 23:59.18 | jelly-ho | phu: on the sahre. |
| 23:59.22 | jelly-ho | share, even |
| 23:59.35 | phu | I can create a file over NFS |