| 00:00.01 | jelly-ho | phu: but you can't touch it afterwards? |
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| 00:00.16 | phu | I just can't touch it, but I can create new file/dir |
| 00:00.24 | dogmeat | elnovato, alsaconf worked |
| 00:00.31 | dogmeat | thanks sound is good |
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| 00:00.54 | phu | that is some files under linux directory, linux kernel sources |
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| 00:01.14 | Woosta | In my /dev/usb I have a pile of files that don't seem to relate to bus/devices .. how can I mount a usb storage device? |
| 00:01.35 | piclez | \amethyst: I found php4-common (>4:4.4.2-1) UNSATISFIED |
| 00:01.47 | jelly-ho | phu: hrm. I'm guessing here: does the directory belong to that user? |
| 00:02.06 | \amethyst | piclez: can you install it? |
| 00:02.08 | phu | yes |
| 00:02.30 | phu | I changed them to root, and gave all rights rw |
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| 00:02.38 | jelly-ho | phu: don't use root. |
| 00:02.57 | foot | what's the simplest way to add decent password protection over the top of an existing tcp service? a wiki, to be specific? |
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| 00:03.03 | piclez | wow there are a lot of UNSATISFIED pcks in PHP-* |
| 00:03.04 | piclez | :( |
| 00:03.14 | phu | why |
| 00:03.15 | jelly-ho | phu: or if you really want root, export with "norootsquash" option. man exports, I think. |
| 00:03.22 | piclez | \amethyst: just mark all of them to install? |
| 00:03.24 | xDriveGal | Does "HostnameLookups On" in Apache2 have a lot of overhead, what are the cons? |
| 00:03.25 | jelly-ho | phu: root is special cased. |
| 00:03.32 | \amethyst | phu: if the server has root_squash enabled, which is the default, 'root' gets mapped to the anonymous user |
| 00:03.35 | \amethyst | piclez: yes |
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| 00:03.48 | piclez | haha niceeeeeeeee |
| 00:03.49 | \amethyst | piclez: if there is a conflict, you'll see |
| 00:03.53 | piclez | all? all? |
| 00:03.54 | phu | no |
| 00:03.56 | piclez | ok |
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| 00:04.30 | rutski89 | Will debian install on a g3? |
| 00:04.31 | \amethyst | piclez: you can do /~b to look for broken packages |
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| 00:04.51 | LinuxNIT- | is the command apt-key only in testing? |
| 00:05.10 | piclez | ~b ? |
| 00:05.12 | apt | picobot: c |
| 00:05.13 | phu | yes, seen to be working now |
| 00:05.20 | pm_ | when i run a vpn client in a machine, i can't access the internet from it? |
| 00:05.24 | nkuttler | rutski89: why should it not? |
| 00:05.36 | phu | thanks guy, I added no_root_squash |
| 00:05.38 | rutski89 | nkuttler: which disk should i get? |
| 00:05.40 | \amethyst | piclez: yes, searching for ~b will find broken packages |
| 00:06.25 | \amethyst | phu: be careful |
| 00:06.26 | \amethyst | phu: you're sure no one else is capable of mounting your server? |
| 00:06.26 | piclez | oh i see, let me wait, it's downloading a bunch of pckgs!!! |
| 00:06.26 | rutski89 | oh, nm, i see it |
| 00:06.26 | jelly-ho | !win foo |
| 00:06.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, foo! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 00:06.43 | \amethyst | of course, that's a problem even with root_squash |
| 00:07.10 | \amethyst | I think I heard my grandmother talk about growing root squash in her garden once |
| 00:07.18 | nvz_ | heh |
| 00:07.57 | phu | it just linux source, |
| 00:08.22 | \amethyst | phu: yeah, but with root_squash off, anyone who can mount it can rm -rf the whole thing |
| 00:08.25 | phu | it shouldn't able to get to other directories? |
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| 00:08.35 | \amethyst | phu: nowhere outside the export |
| 00:09.04 | phu | ok, that is fine, it is fine. it is inside lan |
| 00:09.18 | jerware | i have a question about debians configuration programs. unlike fedora's where they are mostly gui's ... |
| 00:09.21 | Daemon666 | anyone able to help me with a perl error when trying to remove packages? |
| 00:09.31 | jerware | are Debian 3.1's configuration programs are scripts, correct? or ran at the shell prompt? i dont really like GUI's. gui's to me deprive learning |
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| 00:09.45 | Daemon666 | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 00:09.45 | Daemon666 | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 00:10.09 | dondelelcaro | Daemon666: you need to build the locale that you are actually using using dpkg-reconfigure locales; |
| 00:10.35 | \amethyst | jerware: everything is scripts at the lowest level, but you can pick any of a number of debconf frontends |
| 00:10.43 | jerware | ok |
| 00:10.48 | Daemon666 | dondelelcaro - thanks for your help, im a complete novice.... could you tell me how to do that please? |
| 00:11.13 | jerware | \amethyst. does that apply to ubuntu as well since it is debian based? |
| 00:11.18 | \amethyst | jerware: I would assume |
| 00:11.21 | jerware | nice |
| 00:11.25 | lbs | bn tous ;) |
| 00:11.42 | Daemon666 | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
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| 00:11.54 | Daemon666 | i get the same for LC_MESSAGES and LC_ALL |
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| 00:12.52 | \amethyst | jerware: mostly posix (bourne) shell and perl |
| 00:13.05 | \amethyst | jerware: I think Ubuntu might have some python, but I don't know |
| 00:13.09 | dondelelcaro | Daemon666: exactly like I said; dpkg-reconfigure locales; and build the locales corresponding to what you've set LC_MESSAGES and LC_ALL to |
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| 00:14.23 | piclez | \amethyst ~b doesn't seem to work |
| 00:14.41 | \amethyst | piclez: are there any broken packages yet? |
| 00:14.51 | jerware | \amethyst. nice i like bash and perl |
| 00:14.52 | \amethyst | there will be a red bar at bottom of screen |
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| 00:15.06 | \amethyst | jerware: bashisms are frowned upon |
| 00:15.14 | jerware | what? |
| 00:15.19 | \amethyst | jerware: and considered a bug if your script has #! /bin/sh |
| 00:15.25 | jerware | bash is frowned upon? |
| 00:15.32 | Daemon666 | dondelelcaro - thanks again for your help, it apears "locales" wasnt actually installed, ive installed it now and I dont get the error anymore |
| 00:15.40 | \amethyst | jerware: using bash extensions in important scripts is |
| 00:15.52 | jerware | oh |
| 00:15.59 | jelly-ho | \amethyst: oh wtf, there's a lot of stuff that fails to work under posh. |
| 00:16.04 | piclez | don't think so, but still can't apt-get build php4 |
| 00:16.11 | jerware | is possix bourne a totally different syntax? |
| 00:16.14 | \amethyst | jelly-ho: it's being fixed |
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| 00:16.24 | piclez | \amethyst still have some dependencies, but it's trying to download now PHP5!!! |
| 00:16.30 | jelly-ho | \amethyst: for example, _egrep_ doesn't work. :-) |
| 00:16.30 | jerware | is it still the same concept of unix commands inn a file ? |
| 00:16.32 | \amethyst | not all maintainers consider it a bug |
| 00:16.39 | \amethyst | jerware: oh, yes |
| 00:16.47 | \amethyst | jerware: bash is an extension of bourne shell |
| 00:16.52 | jerware | oh ok |
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| 00:18.06 | \amethyst | jerware: notably, posix sh is missing things like ${DISPLAY-:0.0} |
| 00:20.10 | \amethyst | piclez: hm |
| 00:20.28 | \amethyst | try removing it, see what breaks |
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| 00:21.38 | pm_ | when i run a vpn client in a machine, i can't access the internet from it? |
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| 00:21.47 | piclez | \amethyst: breaks, I downloaded it, just the source |
| 00:21.57 | piclez | \amethyst: what means the A before the package name? |
| 00:22.02 | \amethyst | automatic |
| 00:22.15 | \amethyst | it's getting pulled in because of something else |
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| 00:22.27 | jelly-ho | pm_: disable setting up the default route. |
| 00:22.29 | \amethyst | if you remove the something else with aptitude, it will remove the automatic package |
| 00:22.33 | abrotman | pm_: depends on the vpn setup |
| 00:22.44 | \amethyst | (rather, once you remove the last package that depends on it) |
| 00:22.54 | pm_ | jelly-ho you mean the resolv.conf file? |
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| 00:23.19 | pm_ | abrotman depends on what? in the vpn i said to update the dns, but i use resolvconf |
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| 00:24.11 | \amethyst | pm_: resolv.conf has nothing to do with routers |
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| 00:24.20 | jelly-ho | pm_: no, when vpnc brings up the interface, it sets the default route to go through the vpn by default. If you want Internet to go thru the old interface, |
| 00:25.11 | abrotman | pm_: doesn't mean it has to allow you outbound access |
| 00:25.22 | jelly-ho | pm_: explicitely tell vpnc what networks are to be available via vpnc. Edit /etc/vpnc/whatever.conf, most notably the Target networks line. |
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| 00:27.19 | jelly-ho | pm_: rtf vpnc manual page, look for "Custom route setting" |
| 00:29.25 | pusling | any one knows a program capable of editing/adding files to bootable isos without touching their bootability status and such ? |
| 00:29.53 | abrotman | mount ? |
| 00:29.55 | piclez | \amethyst: hey it seems now I have a new version of PHP the one I downloaded the source! |
| 00:30.27 | pm_ | jelly-ho i told the vpn which netwroks are to be available, so your telling me that the problem is with the vpn client? because when i connect my vpn client i cant ping any more, i get operation not permited, what can cause this? |
| 00:30.43 | pm_ | and in the resolv.conf i have both dns, the vpn and the internet |
| 00:30.46 | abrotman | pusling: iirc .. you mount the ISO over loopback .. add/change etc .. umount it .. burn |
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| 00:31.10 | pusling | abrotman: nope. loopback is only readonly. |
| 00:31.21 | abrotman | mount it rw ? |
| 00:31.37 | beetlepun | pusling, you have to explicitly pass the options for write |
| 00:31.41 | pusling | it still says 'read only filesystem' when trying to write to it. |
| 00:32.07 | pusling | mount -o loop,rw file.iso /mnt |
| 00:32.11 | pusling | have I tried. |
| 00:32.11 | phu | anyone know how to disable the cross-compile |
| 00:32.20 | abrotman | pusling: let me grab an iso to play with |
| 00:32.37 | pusling | abrotman: try the flashcd.iso from bootdisk.com ,) |
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| 00:32.47 | pusling | it is only 1,8 mb ;) |
| 00:32.50 | jelly-ho | pm_: what was the default route pointing to before vpnc-connect? |
| 00:32.56 | abrotman | pusling: i'm getting the sarge iso netinst |
| 00:32.58 | phu | I want to directly compile the linux kernel on my mips device, which mean I don't need cross-compile |
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| 00:33.54 | pm_ | jelly-ho |
| 00:33.55 | pm_ | default 200-161-11-129. 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 00:33.55 | pm_ | default * 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 tun0 |
| 00:34.03 | pm_ | the intenet and the vpn |
| 00:34.07 | abrotman | pusling: yay for broadband |
| 00:34.26 | pm_ | when i connect to the vpn i can't ping, but if i restart the networking service i can ping again. |
| 00:34.31 | pm_ | even with the vpn running |
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| 00:35.16 | jelly-ho | pm_: so you still have default route to tun0, are you SURE you did uncomment/edit the Target networks line? |
| 00:35.27 | jelly-ho | pm_: no wait |
| 00:35.36 | jelly-ho | pm_: I didn't see the first default route. |
| 00:36.23 | jelly-ho | pm_: this is after the networking restart, when it works, right? |
| 00:37.53 | pm_ | yes, now the internet is working |
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| 00:38.09 | jelly-ho | pm_: what you did is (I think): start vpnc, it sets up the (bad) default route. then restart the networking init script reloaded the setup for eth0, including the deafult gateway |
| 00:38.31 | jelly-ho | pm_: what you want is for vpnc not to setup a default route at all. |
| 00:38.39 | pm_ | if i disconnect and reconnect the vpn and i try to ping i will get operation not permited |
| 00:38.47 | pm_ | how can i do that? |
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| 00:39.17 | pm_ | so i can just run it and delete the route that it creates right? |
| 00:39.17 | jelly-ho | pm_: paste your /etc/vpnc/provider.conf (or default if you put the settings there). remove the passwords. ;-) |
| 00:39.22 | jelly-ho | pm_: (use paster of course) |
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| 00:39.46 | pm_ | !paste |
| 00:39.47 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 00:40.24 | pusling | abrotman: any luck yet ? ;) |
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| 00:40.48 | pm_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:41.15 | abrotman | pusling: that makes no freaking sense! |
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| 00:41.43 | jelly-ho | pm_: add something like Target networks 10.0.0.0/8 |
| 00:42.08 | jelly-ho | pm_: did you rtfm that part I told you to? |
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| 00:43.24 | pusling | abrotman: found a windows program, got it working under wine. now tries to flash bios. hope to see you soon ;) |
| 00:43.31 | liable | eww |
| 00:43.32 | pm_ | im reading it, let me test this |
| 00:43.40 | abrotman | pusling: uhm .. ok .. but all the docs say it's supposed to work |
| 00:43.47 | lazzarello | heh. what's sid doing asking to install busybox as part of the base system? |
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| 00:44.01 | fangor | hey, brand new default amd64 install of debian with the desktop packages, but when gdm starts, xfree86 crashes with the message "no screens found". i've already the xfree86config and copied to the file that the server reads from, but no server...any guesses as to why? |
| 00:44.04 | liable | sid installer? |
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| 00:44.37 | lazzarello | no, debootstrap sarge + dist-upgrade to sid. debootstrap on sarge has a bug when installing sid. |
| 00:44.39 | elnovato | curse you ATI !! |
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| 00:45.02 | lazzarello | maybe the kernel's "recovery mode" |
| 00:45.12 | abrotman | pusling: makes no freaking sense! |
| 00:45.20 | pm_ | jelly-ho i just dont get where this target networks will help me, what i want to do is make vpnc to not set a route right? so it will only resolve the vpn dns using the resolv.conf, right? |
| 00:45.41 | pusling | abrotman: hmm.. I don't know what the docs say. I just tried ;) |
| 00:45.45 | jelly-ho | pm_: dns and routes have nothing to do with each other, two different things. |
| 00:45.56 | abrotman | pusling: mount even says it's rw |
| 00:45.57 | chealer | !tell fangor about no screens found |
| 00:46.08 | jelly-ho | pm_: you're having problems with network, not with dns. |
| 00:46.27 | lazzarello | how do I "enable verification" for apt + sid? |
| 00:46.33 | abrotman | lazzarello: /topic |
| 00:46.53 | fangor | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 00:47.10 | LinuxNIT | if i want debian more upto date than sarge should i go with testing or unstable? |
| 00:47.25 | pm_ | jelly-ho this Target networks IP, which ip is? is from my local networks or the vpn network? what this will do? will limit the target(?) address range? |
| 00:47.28 | lazzarello | heh. sid is fun. it's so different. |
| 00:47.28 | abrotman | pusling: i'd love to know why |
| 00:48.06 | fangor | or, if you prefer: (II) Primary Device is: PCI 05:00:0 (EE) No devices detected. |
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| 00:48.24 | edmundo__ | hello |
| 00:48.27 | jelly-ho | pm_: the vpn network. It tells your system that only some ip addresses should go through vpn, and the rest will go through the normal connection to the 'net. |
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| 00:48.36 | liable | fangor: is this an x86 box |
| 00:48.52 | Felina | how do i see witch graphic card i have ? id does not show in proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:49.00 | abrotman | which |
| 00:49.01 | abrotman | lspci |
| 00:49.06 | fangor | yes/no, it is an amd64 box which i am using the amd64 distro on. |
| 00:49.07 | Felina | thx |
| 00:49.09 | pm_ | jelly-ho i cant do that, because my network works with dhcp, and everybody must access the internet and the vpn. |
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| 00:49.32 | fangor | sarge....sid worked fine yesterday...at least for this.... |
| 00:49.36 | pm_ | jelly-ho what you mean is that who access the vpn cant access the internet? |
| 00:49.50 | piclez | how to stop/restart Apache/1.3.34 |
| 00:49.52 | jelly-ho | pm_: let me rephrase. |
| 00:49.54 | edmundo__ | Anyone here knows how to preseed debconf with custom values while installing packages that use it? |
| 00:50.13 | fangor | piclez: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
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| 00:51.08 | dli | when booting from usb-hdd, how do I find out what is root= ? |
| 00:51.10 | liable | fangor: rerun dpkg and dont put anything in when it asks for the pci slot |
| 00:51.17 | piclez | fangor: it's not working!! weird |
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| 00:51.28 | liable | apchactl restart |
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| 00:51.37 | liable | err, apachectl |
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| 00:52.10 | fangor | dont ask me, man. that was just a wild guess |
| 00:52.22 | fangor | liable: so, reinstall x is what you're saying? |
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| 00:52.26 | linoh__ | daw |
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| 00:52.28 | abrotman | liable: the init script works just as well |
| 00:52.33 | liable | fangor: no, reconfigure it |
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| 00:52.43 | liable | abrotman: yeah, just adding another way.. :) |
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| 00:52.50 | abrotman | liable: reboot works too :) |
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| 00:52.53 | fangor | with dpkg? how? |
| 00:52.56 | liable | pfft.. |
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| 00:53.02 | liable | !drxx fangor |
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| 00:53.03 | dpkg | fangor: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:53.12 | fangor | ahh ty |
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| 00:53.55 | pusling | abrotman: I still don't know why, but thru wine I got my iso edited - and my bios flashed... (But that did not solve my initial problem :/ ) |
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| 00:54.10 | jelly-ho | pm_: the vpnc will create a second netword device. By setting this option, your system will use the new tun0 device only to access the IP addresses which you told it to. If you request a connection to a host which is not in that range, the system will access it via eth0. That's what routes do, they tell the system where to send the network traffic. 10.0.0.1 goes to tun0, while traffic to 66.35.250.150 would still go to eth0. |
| 00:54.11 | gentgeen__ | edmundo__, I saw that someone had created a way to do that with various distro (including debian) ... |
| 00:54.36 | gentgeen__ | you choose what yuo wanted, download the customized ISO, and off you went... but can't find the link now |
| 00:54.43 | xfan | i have a squid-problem: if the squid is up and the eth1 is active, the ping to cisco.com go from 100ms 5.800 ms, |
| 00:54.47 | xfan | any suggestion ? |
| 00:54.48 | gentgeen__ | I think I orig. found it at digg.com |
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| 00:55.09 | abrotman | pusling: i don't understand. .. you mount it rw .. it should be rw |
| 00:55.14 | abrotman | pusling: which kernel are you on ? |
| 00:55.41 | pm_ | jelly-ho ahh ok, now i got it....ok, let me test it!! |
| 00:55.50 | abrotman | BASEBALL! |
| 00:55.59 | edmundo__ | gentgeen, in the debconf documentation says how, in the Debian System book from Martin Kraft says how |
| 00:56.16 | pusling | abrotman: some 2,6,12,2 homebuild something ... |
| 00:56.21 | edmundo__ | but I couldn't get this working |
| 00:56.34 | gentgeen__ | edmundo__, found it http://digg.com/linux_unix/Slick_New_Way_to_Install_Linux |
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| 00:56.48 | fangor | nope. same error. |
| 00:56.50 | abrotman | pusling: ah ok .. thought it might be a kernel issue ... |
| 00:57.07 | hypnox | when someone sudo's to the root user, where does the bash_history end up? |
| 00:57.16 | pm_ | jelly-ho this: Target networks 10.0.0.0/255 , means that every connection to any 10.X.X.1 - 10.X.X.255 ip will be sent to the tun0 right? |
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| 00:57.40 | jelly-ho | pm_: no, that would be 10.0.0.0/8 . |
| 00:57.50 | edmundo__ | gentgeen__, this link is about LinuxCOE from HP |
| 00:57.53 | pusling | abrotman: but my real problem is that I can't make my bios/computer recognize my sata disk ;) ... so I tried a bios upgrade ... but that didn't work either :/ |
| 00:58.09 | fangor | pm_: think in binary, not decimal |
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| 00:58.24 | abrotman | pusling: what controller .. what drive? |
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| 00:58.37 | jelly-ho | pm_: basically that's right, you just have to learn what those x.y.z.w/q notation means. ;-) |
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| 00:59.00 | pm_ | ahh, ok |
| 00:59.04 | pm_ | i will test it now... |
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| 00:59.16 | pm_ | i've i disconnect is because it dont worked |
| 00:59.18 | pusling | abrotman: sata drive seagate 80gb. controller is some onboard via thingie. controller is found nicely by kernel - but there is no attached disks. |
| 00:59.38 | abrotman | pusling: is the drive SATA II ? |
| 00:59.38 | jelly-ho | pm_: what addresses does your network behind the vpn use? |
| 01:00.02 | edmundo__ | getgeen__, what I would like to know is how to make the DEBCONF_DB_OVERRIDE environment variable work with a custom tenplate |
| 01:00.07 | abrotman | pusling: i'm asking because i had a SATA I controller with a SATA II drive .. and i had to put a jumper on the drive for the controller to see it |
| 01:00.15 | pusling | abrotman: neither is sataII afaik |
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| 01:00.52 | abrotman | pusling: i thought the same thing :) |
| 01:00.56 | pm_ | jelly-ho 192.168.x.x, im connected to the vpn, but i cant ping the vpn dns server...nor any vpn address... |
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| 01:01.35 | B_S | Hi People! Where i find help for compile new kernel to ltsp server? |
| 01:01.40 | pusling | abrotman: has anyone made sataII 80gb harddisks ? ;) |
| 01:01.45 | jelly-ho | pm_: so set that option to 192.168.0.0/16 . |
| 01:01.53 | varsendagger | i am trying to install varicad and i wnat to know if 3.2 would handle that and if there is anyone experinaced with it? |
| 01:02.12 | pm_ | jelly-ho, should'nt that: 10.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 tun0, be sent to the vpn dns server? |
| 01:02.14 | jelly-ho | pm_: i sure hope your local IP addresses are not 192.168. too. |
| 01:02.15 | abrotman | pusling: WD .. the ones i had problems with were 80gb :) |
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| 01:02.44 | jelly-ho | pm_: that route says: send any traffic for 10.x.y.z to tun0. |
| 01:02.58 | pusling | abrotman: this one is seagate. perhaps I_should find a screwdriver and take another look, but I am pretty sure ... |
| 01:03.22 | abrotman | pusling: i actually RMA'd the drive and Mobo thinking they were both broken :) |
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| 01:03.34 | jelly-ho | pm_: what is the ip address of the dns in the vpn network? |
| 01:03.35 | pm_ | jelly-ho i got wrongly your question, my local network is 192.168, the vpn is 10.x.x |
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| 01:03.50 | pm_ | jelly-ho the dns is 10.67.4.34 |
| 01:03.54 | pm_ | dns of the vpn |
| 01:04.05 | jelly-ho | pm_: and you still can't ping it? |
| 01:04.10 | pm_ | and thats is set in the resolv.conf of the dnsmasq |
| 01:04.25 | pm_ | nop, i get a operation not permited |
| 01:04.33 | pusling | abrotman: okay. I am diving into the hardware. brb ;) |
| 01:04.47 | jelly-ho | pm_: hm. can you ping it as root? |
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| 01:04.54 | pm_ | im as root |
| 01:04.57 | abrotman | pusling: http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1337&p_created=1112379341&p_sid=YkUEgg*h&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9NDkmcF9wcm9kcz0yMDMmcF9jYXRzPTEzMCZwX3B2PTEuMjAzJnBfY3Y9MS4xMzAmcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9mbmwmcF9wYWdlPTE*&p_li=&p_topview=1 .. that is the exact issue i have .. but of course . it is a WD drive |
| 01:05.01 | pm_ | i can ping www.debian.org |
| 01:05.24 | deternal_ | evolution uses mbox right? |
| 01:05.27 | hypnox | another question: anyone know how you can see the bash_history of different ttys? |
| 01:05.49 | abrotman | fangor: why? |
| 01:06.00 | abrotman | pusling: anyways .. those controller numbers might be a hint for you |
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| 01:06.15 | fangor | i had a 250g sata hd from wd that i rma'd 3 times, and every time it broke the same way |
| 01:06.20 | unix_infidel | YO! ;) |
| 01:06.47 | fangor | i finally set it aside until the rma warranty expired. now it's a doorstop :) |
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| 01:07.23 | piclez | fangor: can stop apache! |
| 01:07.24 | abrotman | fangor: no .. it was a config issue .. |
| 01:07.47 | pm_ | jelly-ho im connected to the vpn, the route is there, the dns server is in the resolv.conf but i cant ping it...what can cause this operation not permited? |
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| 01:08.06 | fangor | haha sorry guys |
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| 01:08.40 | abrotman | pusling: that make any sense to you ? |
| 01:08.53 | jelly-ho | pm_: I don't know. Please paste the output of "grep vpnc-connect /var/log/user.log | tail -10" somewhere |
| 01:09.15 | jelly-ho | pm_: that configuration works for me (tm). ;-) |
| 01:09.37 | abrotman | pusling: http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/faq/sata_lock.html .. |
| 01:09.42 | fangor | anyways, dpkg-reconfigure didnt work. is there something else i can try before i scrap *86 and go back to *org? |
| 01:09.53 | abrotman | pusling: of course .. it doesn't say which drives it affects :) |
| 01:10.19 | pm_ | jelly-ho http://channels.debian.net/paste/1842 |
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| 01:11.03 | jelly-ho | pm_: can you ping for example 10.67.204.1 ? |
| 01:11.33 | pm_ | ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
| 01:11.55 | pm_ | with any 10.x |
| 01:12.28 | bbrazil | pm_: check your firewall rules |
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| 01:13.26 | pm_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.33 | pm_ | in which chain? |
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| 01:14.04 | Andy5201987 | HI |
| 01:14.17 | pm_ | bbrazil what could cause this operation not permited? a drop to any 10.x ip right? |
| 01:14.29 | Andy5201987 | I'm asking where can I get a .deb pachage of kopete that's later than kopete v.0.10.3? |
| 01:14.40 | jelly-ho | pm_: aargh. Can you clean the firewall and confirm that vpn works without it, for starters? |
| 01:14.58 | bbrazil | pm_: do a iptables -xvnL |
| 01:15.07 | abrotman | Andy5201987: for what? |
| 01:15.19 | devazion | Can someone tell me the command to check latest kernel messages, please? |
| 01:15.26 | bbrazil | devazion: dmesg |
| 01:15.33 | Andy5201987 | I have kopete v.0.10.3 but would like to have a later version |
| 01:15.34 | devazion | bbrazil: Thank you! |
| 01:15.47 | Andy5201987 | but I'd like to know if there are .deb packages out there first |
| 01:15.49 | pm_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1844 |
| 01:15.52 | bbrazil | pm_: I've seen similar when I was blocking some udp ports |
| 01:15.57 | mojo33 | someone said I shouldnt do any dist-upgrades for a while using etch? Confirm/deny? |
| 01:16.04 | pm_ | jelly-ho do you mean a -F? |
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| 01:16.07 | abrotman | Andy5201987: no shit .. WHICH VERSION OF DEBIAN? |
| 01:16.11 | fangor | guess not... |
| 01:16.16 | Andy5201987 | any |
| 01:16.20 | Andy5201987 | doesnt matter to me |
| 01:16.25 | Andy5201987 | I have it set for sarge |
| 01:16.41 | abrotman | dpkg -l kopete |
| 01:16.42 | dpkg | ii kopete 1.9-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 01:16.54 | pusling | abrotman: was just looking into hardware ;) |
| 01:16.55 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 01:16.55 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 01:16.56 | pm_ | jelly-ho do you see something wrong with the iptables rules? |
| 01:16.58 | abrotman | !info kopete sarge |
| 01:17.02 | jelly-ho | pm_: well... you drop all packets not coming from eth0 eth1 or lo. |
| 01:17.07 | abrotman | pusling: ah ok |
| 01:17.08 | bbrazil | pm_: which interfaces are the packets going to/from? |
| 01:17.09 | jelly-ho | pm_: JUST THAT. |
| 01:17.17 | Andy5201987 | I'm trying w/ #kopete but not getting anywhere |
| 01:17.25 | pm_ | bbrazil tun0 |
| 01:17.31 | jelly-ho | pm_: so all the packets from tun0 are dropped in INPUT. |
| 01:17.46 | abrotman | dpkg hates me |
| 01:17.48 | lazzarello | woah. so I install sid in a chroot from sarge, do all the manual configuration, reboot and it says it can't find / because /dev/hdb6 doesn't exist. funny thing is, about five lines up the kernel tells me about the partitions on hdb and that's one of them! |
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| 01:18.13 | bbrazil | lazzarello: does the file /dev/hdb6 exist? |
| 01:18.14 | dondelelcaro | lazzarello: that's the device that is missing, not the drive. |
| 01:18.24 | pm_ | jelly-ho so i need a rule like this for tun0: 190634 179248722 ACCEPT all -- eth0 * 0.0.0.0/0 200.161.11.163 |
| 01:18.31 | lazzarello | ah...it may not...would debootstrap create that? |
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| 01:18.43 | dpkg | kopete: (Instant messenger program), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 3699 kB, Installed size: 13196 kB |
| 01:18.45 | pusling | abrotman: I might have found something ... it is 3Gb/s ATA |
| 01:18.47 | pusling | http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/marketing/detail/1,1081,724,00.html |
| 01:18.52 | abrotman | pusling: do i get a cookie? |
| 01:19.00 | bbrazil | lazzarello: dunno. MAKEDEV hdb6 should fix it for you |
| 01:19.11 | jelly-ho | pm_: yup. |
| 01:19.17 | abrotman | pusling: sounds like that link i gave you is your answer .. find a jumper :) |
| 01:19.19 | Andy5201987 | yea but that version is too old |
| 01:19.23 | pm_ | jelly-ho i thoght that vpnc did that! =/ |
| 01:19.25 | lazzarello | thanks. it does appear that debootstrap is fucked for installing sid from sarge. |
| 01:19.27 | abrotman | Andy5201987: ask #debian-kde |
| 01:19.30 | jelly-ho | pm_: why would it? |
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| 01:19.35 | pusling | abrotman: if jumping it helps, I will dcc you a cookie. brb. |
| 01:19.43 | lazzarello | sid in a chroot from sarge, that is. |
| 01:19.50 | pm_ | jelly-ho well, so without this it will not work right? |
| 01:19.57 | jelly-ho | pm_: right. |
| 01:20.05 | azeem | lazzarello: sarge's debootstrap is not able to intall today's sid, yes |
| 01:20.09 | Andy5201987 | ok thanks |
| 01:20.10 | Andy5201987 | bye |
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| 01:20.50 | lazzarello | so /dev/hdb6 does exist but the initrd doesn't seem to agree. I can see it from the busybox shell it droped me into. |
| 01:20.51 | jelly-ho | pm_: you'll also need to put something in FORWARD and OUTPUT, I think. |
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| 01:21.10 | pm_ | jelly-ho can i see your iptables rules? |
| 01:21.17 | abrotman | pusling: or a beer .. either will work :) |
| 01:21.49 | jelly-ho | pm_: My default chains are all ACCEPT policy, for starters. |
| 01:22.01 | lazzarello | I'm new to sid. what's the recommended way of installing it? |
| 01:22.05 | jelly-ho | pm_: but you don't need to do that. |
| 01:22.16 | azeem | lazzarello: if you have to ask, you shouln't, really |
| 01:22.24 | lazzarello | no, I really should. |
| 01:22.37 | dondelelcaro | lazzarello: we recommend starting with sarge, and using that until you're familiar with Debian. |
| 01:22.39 | jelly-ho | pm_: just add some -j ACCEPT rules for tun0 just before the last two rules in every chain. |
| 01:22.47 | dondelelcaro | lazzarello: if you absolutely must, use testing. |
| 01:22.53 | lazzarello | I've been using sarge for two years and backporting the shit out of many packages. I'd like to get a sid system running so I can possibly contribure to the archive. |
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| 01:23.15 | abrotman | sarge for two years? |
| 01:23.24 | azeem | sarge was testing beofre |
| 01:23.25 | lazzarello | errr, debian stable |
| 01:23.25 | dondelelcaro | lazzarello: then you should know that you don't install sid; you install stable (or possibly testing) and upgrade to sid. |
| 01:23.29 | jelly-ho | pm_: copy the rules for lo, for example. |
| 01:23.32 | Torvaldinha | where am I? |
| 01:23.36 | abrotman | lazzarello: are you still running woody? |
| 01:23.47 | azeem | lazzarello: the way to contribute is to have a stable system and build packages in an unstable chroot |
| 01:23.48 | lazzarello | fine. now I do. blah. you people are impossible. |
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| 01:24.08 | azeem | lazzarello: that stable system can well be called unstable, if you are able to handle it |
| 01:24.09 | jelly-ho | Torvaldinha: somewhere in Brazil, according to the IP. |
| 01:24.11 | dondelelcaro | lazzarello: relax. We're giving you information with your interest in mind. |
| 01:24.45 | lazzarello | thanks. I'm well aware of the n00bs running sid. I'm not one of them, though I'm a n00b to install sid. |
| 01:25.10 | azeem | as dondelelcaro said, upgrade from stable or testing |
| 01:25.13 | dondelelcaro | lazzarello: then change your sources.list to point at sid and upgrade. |
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| 01:25.31 | dub | !lilo:*! I wish someone could tell this person to please not spam random channels 8) <-irony |
| 01:25.57 | dondelelcaro | dub: if you have a problem with that, you can use /ignore rules to block it out. |
| 01:26.02 | lazzarello | coincidently, I did install sarge via debootstrap and upgrade to sid in a chroot, though I did it in one pass. perhaps that's why /dev wasn't created? |
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| 01:26.32 | dondelelcaro | lazzarello: that really depends on what type of kernel you're using, and whether you're using udev. |
| 01:26.49 | yc | fonts q: looking for a free times roman font.... |
| 01:27.00 | lazzarello | the 2.6.15 kernel did install udev |
| 01:27.09 | azeem | lazzarello: a sarge chroot intallation isn't meant to be used as a full system anyway |
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| 01:27.34 | beowu1f | hi all...trying to work out how [coldplug] works. |
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| 01:27.50 | odla | msg dpkg info icewm testing |
| 01:27.57 | beowu1f | does [coldplug] do some kind of autoprobe during boot time. just trying to figure out how my sound modules are probed at boot |
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| 01:28.06 | azeem | odla: you don't need to join here to /msg dpkg |
| 01:28.07 | beowu1f | and if it does.. how does it correlate them.. [ie does coldplug look fot modules compiled in /lib/modules/foo and check against PCI devices on PC]? |
| 01:28.22 | azeem | beowu1f: isn't coldplug some Ubuntu thing? |
| 01:28.23 | abrotman | azeem: i think you have to be in a channel dpkg is in |
| 01:28.29 | dondelelcaro | odla: you can /join #debian-bots if you just want to talk to the bot. |
| 01:28.30 | azeem | abrotman: ah, good point |
| 01:28.40 | gravity | azeem: I think it's Md's thing |
| 01:28.41 | beowu1f | azeem: definantly not |
| 01:28.43 | dondelelcaro | odla: (but do it in /msg once you've joined) |
| 01:28.52 | odla | thanks |
| 01:28.52 | beowu1f | is a linux thing |
| 01:28.56 | abrotman | azeem: no .. it's Md hotplug mess of stuff |
| 01:29.00 | gravity | Or at least, that's what he was calling it way back a few months ago when he first talked of killing hotplug |
| 01:29.05 | lazzarello | dondelelcaro, so I'm supposed to install sid in a chroot and work from there. what about packages that need the 2.6.15 kernel? I made a partition for sid with something like that in mind. |
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| 01:29.42 | azeem | lazzarello: if you want to run sid as your main system, do not install it in a chroot |
| 01:29.47 | parte | re azeem |
| 01:29.50 | abrotman | lazzarello: you realize sid .. breaks .. and stuff gets totally screwed up . right? |
| 01:30.01 | azeem | yeah, we've settled this |
| 01:30.13 | lazzarello | abrotman, uhh, yeah. that's why I don't use it for day-to-day. |
| 01:30.20 | parte | so another problem i cant connect to my ircd and with ssh to my linux |
| 01:30.25 | parte | but i have internet on it |
| 01:30.31 | lazzarello | I DO NOT WANT TO RUN SID AS MY MAIN SYSTEM! |
| 01:30.38 | azeem | lazzarello: don't scream |
| 01:30.42 | parte | and if i do /server localhost over linux i can connect too |
| 01:30.42 | dondelelcaro | lazzarello: you don't need the 2.6.15 kernel, unless you want to test udev. |
| 01:30.44 | parte | any clou? |
| 01:30.49 | lazzarello | seesh. do I have to keep repeating myself? |
| 01:30.57 | azeem | lazzarello: obviously, you tried to reboot into it |
| 01:31.24 | azeem | lazzarello: I suggest you follow the steps about gdm in a chroot from the Developer's Reference |
| 01:31.27 | lazzarello | is it possible to have partitions for sarge and sid on the same disk? |
| 01:31.46 | azeem | that's a good and convenient recipe to have an unstable chroot for testing |
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| 01:32.04 | lazzarello | azeem, thanks |
| 01:32.07 | zamba | how do i change debian's default version of python? |
| 01:32.09 | harfooz | hi all -- how do I properly install clearlooks on an all sarge system? When I apt-get install gtk2-engines-clearlooks, the theme doesn't seem to be complete in gnome. |
| 01:32.16 | dondelelcaro | zamba: short answer is that you don't. |
| 01:32.23 | pm_ | jelly-ho see, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1845, is ok now? |
| 01:32.27 | zamba | dondelelcaro: you got a slightly longer answer? :) |
| 01:32.34 | dondelelcaro | zamba: if you want to use python 2.4, use it in the shebang. |
| 01:32.40 | pm_ | jelly-ho i mean, should work? |
| 01:32.53 | pusling | abrotman: dd if=/dev/beer of=/home/abrotman/desk/glass bs=1cl count=100 |
| 01:32.54 | zamba | dondelelcaro: shebang means? :) |
| 01:32.59 | dondelelcaro | zamba: #! |
| 01:33.07 | zamba | dondelelcaro: hm, ok |
| 01:33.10 | zamba | thanks :) |
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| 01:33.12 | abrotman | pusling: all good ? |
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| 01:33.25 | pusling | abrotman: yeah. think so |
| 01:33.30 | unix_infidel | is there an i686 optimized debian based distro? |
| 01:33.32 | dondelelcaro | the longer answer involves changing what /usr/bin/python is, and that's not guaranteed to work unless you know every single bit of python on the system... |
| 01:33.49 | abrotman | pusling: that's great .. it's a weird problem .. but at least i asked what you were really trying to do :) |
| 01:33.49 | jelly-ho | pm_: i think forward should have both an --out-interface tun0 rule, the rest looks ok. Does it work? |
| 01:34.09 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: not to our knowledge, no. In general, the things that show a significant speed increase on being compiled for 686 already have multiple library versions present which load depending on teh processor. |
| 01:34.11 | pm_ | jelly-ho no |
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| 01:34.22 | pm_ | jelly-ho the ping hangs |
| 01:34.27 | Jake_ | i need to setup a basic mail server, any suggestions? qmail? postfix? |
| 01:34.28 | pm_ | jelly-ho nothign happens |
| 01:34.33 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: you may also find libc6-i686 useful |
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| 01:34.49 | abrotman | pusling: yay! |
| 01:34.56 | abrotman | !tell parte2 about root |
| 01:34.57 | jelly-ho | pm_: are you pinging from the same machine that has vpnc running? |
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| 01:35.09 | pm_ | yes |
| 01:35.18 | unix_infidel | dondelelcaro: well i mean i'm running ubuntu on a laptop i used to run archlinux with. |
| 01:35.29 | unix_infidel | not noticing any REAL speed change, but its just being used as a workstation. |
| 01:35.39 | dvm1981 | Hello, i have a little question, a bit OT, sorry, i ask ... |
| 01:35.42 | unix_infidel | thinking about doing a debian install that works well with ardour and audacity and some other production suites. |
| 01:35.47 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: odds are you won't notice any at all. |
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| 01:36.20 | unix_infidel | that's why i ask about the i686 optimization, is b/c i wanna create a desktop dedicated to production, but still be debian based. |
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| 01:36.20 | senor | hi folks |
| 01:36.38 | dvm1981 | < = < > = > & = ?? and what is the name of '<' ? |
| 01:36.41 | pm_ | jelly-ho thanks for your help man, i was searching for this for days... |
| 01:36.43 | parte | Hey azeem? |
| 01:36.47 | azeem | unix_infidel: might check demudi/agnula, they might recompile the sound apps for i686 |
| 01:36.49 | senor | does anybody know a good qt based irc client? |
| 01:36.50 | azeem | parte: what's up? |
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| 01:37.01 | parte | so another problem i cant connect to my ircd and with ssh to my linux |
| 01:37.02 | abrotman | senor: konversation ? |
| 01:37.05 | parte | but i have internet on it |
| 01:37.09 | azeem | parte: I saw that |
| 01:37.10 | parte | and if i do /server localhost over linux i can connect too |
| 01:37.11 | senor | because ksirc & kvirc seems to suck.... |
| 01:37.14 | parte | ok |
| 01:37.16 | unix_infidel | azeem: well i mean i could just use their kernel version and their compiled packages and get the same thing. |
| 01:37.23 | senor | thx abrotman , i'll try that |
| 01:37.23 | unix_infidel | except i might experience some breakage depending on what i insall. |
| 01:37.28 | asg | abrotman: konsole -e irssi-text? |
| 01:37.30 | dvm1981 | I ask my question bad, because i not know what is it. |
| 01:37.32 | azeem | parte: as I didn't know the solution, I didn't answer |
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| 01:37.35 | pusling | abrotman: you can find it in the danish newsgroup dk.edb.hardware ;) |
| 01:37.41 | parte | ahh ok |
| 01:37.43 | abrotman | asg: i don't use things that start with k :) |
| 01:37.46 | parte | any other now it? |
| 01:37.52 | abrotman | pusling: but i don't speak dutch :) |
| 01:37.55 | dvm1981 | The name of the '&x' |
| 01:37.57 | Daemon666 | can anyone tell me how i find out what the latest kernal is i can use? |
| 01:37.57 | asg | abrotman: kill(1)? |
| 01:38.03 | abrotman | pusling: erm .. or danish :) |
| 01:38.14 | jelly-ho | pm_: hrm, seems packets at least now go out (see the counts on tun0 OUTPUT rule), but nothing comes back? |
| 01:38.19 | abrotman | asg: you want to kill me ? |
| 01:38.19 | asg | Daemon666: apt-get install kernel-image |
| 01:38.30 | asg | abrotman: nah, I only slay users |
| 01:38.31 | pusling | abrotman: I wrote "Thanks to abrotman in #debian" in english ;) |
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| 01:38.50 | dvm1981 | It's for writing an xml document about 'qemu' and i not know where i must search, so why my strange question |
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| 01:38.54 | abrotman | pusling: ah ok .. |
| 01:38.55 | myren | i ran cp without -i and it overwrote something i wanted very bad |
| 01:38.57 | myren | am i fucked |
| 01:39.05 | Daemon666 | asg - thanks, but a list of 6 have come up, which one should i use? |
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| 01:39.12 | asg | myren: not if you have backups or use ext2 |
| 01:39.15 | abrotman | myren: no .. you have a backup! |
| 01:39.17 | pusling | note to self: remember to create logical partitions on your extended one .. |
| 01:39.23 | pm_ | jelly-ho do you think that i need an out-interface for forward? but which out interface? tun0 again? |
| 01:39.35 | myren | i over-wrote with the out of date backup! |
| 01:39.40 | asg | Daemon666: are they different architectural versions of the same version number? |
| 01:40.01 | asg | Daemon666: if they are all i386 or whatever your arch is, then pick and install the one you want. |
| 01:40.28 | Daemon666 | asg - can i paste you in a PM what it's showing me please? |
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| 01:40.47 | jelly-ho | pm_: tun0, right. copy the first rule but s/eth0/tun0/. |
| 01:40.57 | asg | Daemon666: use our paster bot (/msg dpkg paster) then you can benefit from peer review. |
| 01:41.34 | piclez | what means in aptitude the au blue package name? |
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| 01:41.43 | piclez | sorry "iu" |
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| 01:41.59 | Daemon666 | asg - http://channels.debian.net/paste/1846 |
| 01:41.59 | elnovato | hi, how to know the sizes of the partitions and logicals ?? |
| 01:42.15 | Hobbsee | elnovato: df - h -T usually |
| 01:42.16 | pm_ | jelly-ho i just disconnect and reconnect the vpn and now i can ping the dns server...! =] |
| 01:42.21 | pusling | abrotman: thanks one more time ;) And now time to bed |
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| 01:42.26 | pm_ | jelly-ho but i cant resolv any site from it! haha |
| 01:42.27 | abrotman | pusling: glad to help .. night |
| 01:42.35 | asg | Daemon666: then you have a choice of the sarge '2.4.27' kernel or the '2.6.8' one. |
| 01:42.52 | Daemon666 | the later the better being the rule? |
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| 01:43.30 | jelly-ho | pm_: can you do an explicit "host some-internal-host-name internal-dns"? |
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| 01:43.40 | pm_ | jelly-ho where can i add this rules to dont lost it when i restart the machine? |
| 01:43.43 | asg | Daemon666: it depends. I still run custom 2.4.32 on most of my servers |
| 01:43.48 | elnovato | thank you Hobbsee |
| 01:43.57 | Hobbsee | elnovato: no problems :) |
| 01:44.17 | jelly-ho | pm_: I don't know, that depends on what software you used to configure it in the first place. |
| 01:44.22 | Daemon666 | asg - ok thanks for your help :) |
| 01:44.25 | pm_ | jelly-ho the machine where the vpn client is running is the dns server of my local network, im running dnsmasq on it |
| 01:44.56 | asg | Daemon666: you're welcome. Try them both; use the one that works better for you. |
| 01:45.01 | pm_ | jelly-ho what you mean? i've added them with iptables |
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| 01:45.12 | quik_ | hey folks |
| 01:45.36 | quik_ | what is the best way to setup my debian machine to be able to be accessed via its hostname in a small network env? |
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| 01:45.42 | jelly-ho | pm_: you didn't add all of the rules with iptables today, did you? |
| 01:45.48 | asg | quik_: /etc/hosts |
| 01:45.48 | pm_ | no |
| 01:45.56 | pm_ | something did it for me.. |
| 01:46.10 | jelly-ho | pm_: find out that something. ;-) |
| 01:46.13 | quik_ | asg: a simple /etc/hosts setup on the debian machine would do it? |
| 01:46.15 | dvm1981 | < = < > = > & = & Find, But what is the name of these special caracters '&x;' ? |
| 01:46.21 | quik_ | what about dnsmasq or something? |
| 01:46.30 | asg | quik_: sure, for a small network env |
| 01:46.37 | dvm1981 | So i could do a better search |
| 01:46.52 | vulture | dvm1981: entities |
| 01:46.57 | quik_ | asg: I already have 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost blockhead |
| 01:47.04 | asg | dvm1981: #html perhaps |
| 01:47.10 | dvm1981 | vulture: Bingo, many thx |
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| 01:47.15 | quik_ | blockhead being the hostname.. but I can't access the machine using that in any circumstance |
| 01:47.16 | dvm1981 | asg: These sleep now |
| 01:47.21 | pm_ | jelly-ho ok, strange, i can ping the vpn dns server from the machine which runs the client, but i cant ping it from my network...i need some rule to be able to access the vpn from inside the network? |
| 01:47.35 | asg | quik_: other machines can be added in a similar manner. man hosts |
| 01:47.43 | asg | dvm1981: then #xml perhaps |
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| 01:48.07 | beefcake | is there a way to scp an entire dir? |
| 01:48.11 | dvm1981 | asg: ok ;-) and i would wake his up |
| 01:48.11 | jelly-ho | pm_: that's because the FORWARD rules are not set up right. |
| 01:48.16 | quik_ | asg: so I edit teh hosts file on the other machines to forward to the debian box? |
| 01:48.29 | quik_ | can I do it all from the debian box? the network is small, but not that small. |
| 01:48.37 | pm_ | jelly-ho which is the -out-interface of tun0? is not tun0? |
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| 01:48.51 | jelly-ho | pm_: in eth1, out tun0 |
| 01:49.00 | pm_ | ahh |
| 01:49.07 | pm_ | i must change that rule |
| 01:49.08 | asg | quik_: oh, wait. Are you wanting to run DNS for the rest of your lan on this machine? |
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| 01:49.35 | beefcake | can someone tell me how to scp a dir (and all its contents) from 1 shell to another ? |
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| 01:49.44 | asg | beefcake: scp -r |
| 01:49.48 | quik_ | asg: I'm not sure, I just know I want all machines to be able to access it by hostname. |
| 01:49.53 | jelly-ho | pm_: like for eth1 -> eth0, but replace eth0 w/ tun0. Possibly allow only -s 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 01:50.41 | asg | quik_: then either set up DNS on one machine, configure it, and point the others at it, or use /etc/hosts files on each and keep them synchronized manually. |
| 01:52.01 | beefcake | lets say the dir i want to move is 'dir1' and its on the shell im connected to currently and i want to move it from that box to root@88.88.88.88:44444 |
| 01:52.05 | beefcake | how would i go about doing that? |
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| 01:53.02 | senor | hola |
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| 01:53.16 | asg | beefcake: scp -r -P 44444 'dir' root@88.88.88.88 |
| 01:53.21 | beefcake | thanks man |
| 01:53.36 | asg | beefcake: or some permutation similar. scp(1) has all the info |
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| 01:53.42 | jtacy | beefcake: and of course consider rsync for that type of work |
| 01:54.06 | beefcake | can i specify a destination dir too? |
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| 01:54.21 | jelly-ho | host:/full/path |
| 01:54.24 | beefcake | tx |
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| 01:54.34 | jelly-ho | or host:relative/to/home/ |
| 01:54.37 | jeanseb | Hello, neither my camera nor my ipods are detected when I plug them on Debian 3.1. How to automate their detection as mass storage devices? |
| 01:54.56 | beefcake | 04 - Go Zone.mp3 100% 6516KB 3.6MB/s 00:02 |
| 01:54.56 | beefcake | 08 - Ruff Stuff.mp3 100% 6784KB 3.9MB/s 00:02 |
| 01:54.56 | beefcake | 09 - Two's Up.mp3 100% 7940KB 4.1MB/s 00:01 |
| 01:54.58 | beefcake | working :) |
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| 01:55.31 | pm_ | jelly-ho i did it: ACCEPT all -- eth1 tun0 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0, but still cant ping from internal network...maybe there is another thing? |
| 01:55.32 | mike-m | hy |
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| 01:56.07 | BrittMan914 | could someone hook me up with a script using xargs to take all located *.mp3 files and moving them to folder foo |
| 01:56.08 | mike-m | is it possible to disable a script in /etc/cron.daily by renaming it like 0thescript ? |
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| 01:56.29 | BrittMan914 | I was close, but i couldnt work out the input parameters |
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| 01:56.45 | hypnox | mike-m no, take it out of the directory or make it non executeable |
| 01:56.49 | myren | is there any way to view the alt buffer, the one where man/vi/less normally appear, after you exit? |
| 01:56.50 | abrotman | BrittMan914: man find ? |
| 01:56.52 | mike-m | BrittMan914: maybe you had better chance with find /dir/here -iname "*.mp3" |
| 01:56.55 | jelly-ho | pm_: possibly. I only have one machine here so I can't test. |
| 01:56.57 | myren | i just blew up a program i spent 4 hours working on |
| 01:57.11 | pm_ | jelly-ho i can here..any idea? |
| 01:57.12 | BrittMan914 | its a staggered directory |
| 01:57.13 | abrotman | myren: not your day .. |
| 01:57.14 | mike-m | hypnox: thank you:) |
| 01:57.17 | abrotman | BrittMan914: and? |
| 01:57.20 | BrittMan914 | unless find is recursive? |
| 01:57.30 | abrotman | man find |
| 01:57.32 | gravity | find is recursive |
| 01:57.45 | mike-m | BrittMan914: man find |
| 01:57.49 | myren | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:57.57 | BrittMan914 | wait a tick, does find put the output in a more xargs friendly format |
| 01:57.59 | mike-m | shit happens |
| 01:58.06 | unixfool_ | I've got a package (foo) that is held back when trying a dist-upgrade, when I install it - it installs just fine and removes some stuff, why is it held back on dist-upgrade, how can I tell why its held back? |
| 01:58.10 | dondelelcaro | myren: plase don't do that ever again. |
| 01:58.10 | BrittMan914 | myren: i did that yesterday |
| 01:58.19 | myren | dont make me start throwing feces mike-m |
| 01:58.24 | mike-m | SHIIIITTTT HAPEENNNNSSSSS |
| 01:58.27 | jelly-ho | pm_: try to do tcpdump -nieth1 on the routing machine and confirm that the ping from the other 192.168 machine is visible |
| 01:58.47 | myren | i hate sooo badly |
| 01:59.02 | myren | the worst part is Opera has a cache somewhere, but stores its cache in some stupid binary format |
| 01:59.09 | jelly-ho | pm_: hm |
| 01:59.15 | myren | so there's these useless .js files i cannot use |
| 01:59.18 | mike-m | one day i did same, a website where i worked a month and then... disk crashed |
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| 01:59.27 | jelly-ho | pm_: did you enable masquerading for tun0? |
| 01:59.49 | BrittMan914 | oh yeah, guys could i set up a rsnapshot server thats ethernet connected? |
| 02:00.03 | BrittMan914 | or rsync...what do you all do? |
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| 02:00.24 | mike-m | there should be a rewind button on the hard disk, like on the old good tapes |
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| 02:01.31 | jelly-ho | pm_: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o tun0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 02:02.11 | pm_ | it worked! |
| 02:02.12 | pm_ | =]]]]] |
| 02:02.19 | jelly-ho | mike-m: there's rewind on good new tapes too. |
| 02:02.31 | BrittMan914 | how big are new tape drives? |
| 02:02.38 | BrittMan914 | several hundred gb's |
| 02:02.42 | mike-m | i didn't know they still exists :) |
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| 02:03.10 | asg | BrittMan914: robotic loaders have multi-terabyte capacity |
| 02:03.15 | BrittMan914 | mike-m: just googled it, theres a 100GB tape drive for 1,295 |
| 02:03.21 | BrittMan914 | wow. |
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| 02:03.39 | jelly-ho | pm_: very good, now everyone from the vpn has unlimited access to your router at home. For homework, secure the vpnc connection against unwanted intrusion. ;-) |
| 02:04.02 | mike-m | i guess they can record in speedx5 nowadays |
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| 02:04.25 | BrittMan914 | 30Gb ones are only 295 |
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| 02:04.38 | BrittMan914 | cut that, 777.90 |
| 02:04.46 | BrittMan914 | :( |
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| 02:04.52 | BrittMan914 | i think id like one |
| 02:05.28 | mike-m | do you know the lifetime of a tape ? |
| 02:05.47 | BrittMan914 | mike-m: doesnt matter |
| 02:05.48 | abrotman | depends on the tape technology |
| 02:05.48 | pm_ | jelly-ho is not fully working yet, to access a dns name i just must have the dns server in the resolv.conf of the dnsserver machine right? |
| 02:05.55 | BrittMan914 | if you have one that dies, you've got two more or so |
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| 02:06.28 | shale | anyone here able to tell me how to use apt-cacher... i need to setup a local source. |
| 02:06.33 | dli | USB /dev/sda is assigned after mount root VFS. how can I use USB hdd as root? |
| 02:06.35 | pm_ | jelly-ho from the dnsserver machine i can access a dns name from the vpn, but from the internal machines i can't |
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| 02:06.56 | jelly-ho | pm_: dnsmasq should take care of that, I think. I use pdnsd and had some problems with that. |
| 02:07.06 | BrittMan914 | i guess i'll just stick with my 1400 colorado tapedrive i just found. |
| 02:07.37 | mike-m | :) |
| 02:07.49 | jelly-ho | mike-m: afair shelf life for LTO is 30 years. Right. |
| 02:08.17 | mike-m | wow, that is a good period |
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| 02:09.41 | BrittMan914 | uh the bot doesnt do package info anymore? |
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| 02:10.05 | zinx | BrittMan914: it's a bit slow at times |
| 02:10.21 | BrittMan914 | i tried locate and find and the bot says they're not found |
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| 02:10.47 | jelly-ho | mike-m: Iwe have been using LTO-1 tapes for 3 years in rotation, and they work reasonably well. 2-3 broke out of some 200. |
| 02:10.48 | zinx | BrittMan914: maybe you should use apt-cache instead |
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| 02:10.55 | BrittMan914 | lol |
| 02:11.01 | pm_ | jelly-ho is a good idea to add all those iptables rules to the networking script? |
| 02:11.06 | BrittMan914 | i was too lazy to open another putty session |
| 02:12.21 | jelly-ho | pm_: I think you should find out which package sets up the rest of the rules, and use that. Alternatively, save the current rules and also find which package sets up those rules and then disable it. |
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| 02:12.51 | pm_ | there is a default in debian? |
| 02:13.05 | pm_ | a default package that set the iptables rules? |
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| 02:13.32 | seb- | what packages need to install to get a /dev/dsp ? |
| 02:13.34 | jelly-ho | pm_: not in base packages... |
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| 02:13.47 | seb- | ls /dev/dsp |
| 02:13.47 | seb- | fusspils: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 02:13.54 | seb- | ls /dev/dsp |
| 02:13.54 | seb- | fusspils: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 02:13.59 | abrotman | seb-: you need the alsa-oss compatibility stuff |
| 02:14.02 | shale | anyone familiar with apt-cacher in here? |
| 02:14.02 | abrotman | seb-: stop doing that |
| 02:14.03 | Woosta | either oss or alsa .. can't remember which |
| 02:14.04 | BrittMan914 | # |
| 02:14.24 | shale | when i do an apt-get from a client i get "package has no installation candidate" |
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| 02:18.27 | asrail | zorelha: Good night, but... English, do you speak it? |
| 02:18.47 | jeanseb | how to get my ipod detected on debian 3.1? |
| 02:18.52 | BrittMan914 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.58 | BrittMan914 | whats wrong with this? |
| 02:18.59 | shale | hahahahahahaha |
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| 02:19.04 | asrail | zorelha: Se não souber falar inglês, use o #debian-br |
| 02:19.18 | seb- | abrotman: after install alsa-oss how make it used? |
| 02:19.20 | zorelha | asrail sorry |
| 02:19.37 | abrotman | alsamixer |
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| 02:20.16 | seb- | abrotman: there were only alsa-modules for 2.4 kernel so i hope i don't need 2.6 modules..please say NO you don't |
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| 02:20.32 | abrotman | it's in the ekrnel for 2.6 |
| 02:20.39 | seb- | hot dog! |
| 02:21.07 | seb- | abrotman: what exactly do you do with alsamixer? |
| 02:21.19 | seb- | abrotman: looks like a crapload of menus |
| 02:22.14 | zethreth | It seams that testing has moved to the 6.9.0 xorg version. I need the 6.8.2 version for my video card drivers to work. I have a installed version on my other partition and was thinking about repackning it if I cannot find a source to get a fresh 6.8.2 |
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| 02:23.06 | abrotman | seb-: raise levels |
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| 02:23.29 | NGo | mm |
| 02:23.34 | jelly-ho | zethreth: for old package versions see /msg dpkg snapshot |
| 02:23.34 | NGo | I've installed amsn |
| 02:23.38 | c4_4e | can some help configuring an adsl as router/ |
| 02:23.40 | c4_4e | ? |
| 02:23.56 | NGo | and it doesn't show my friends' pictures |
| 02:24.08 | NGo | I guess the problem is ImageMagick |
| 02:24.10 | britt | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.17 | NGo | but I don't know how do I intall it |
| 02:24.23 | NGo | can anybody help me? |
| 02:24.25 | resiak | !wayttd britt |
| 02:24.25 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, britt? |
| 02:24.32 | jelly-ho | britt: xargs doesn't know anything about {} |
| 02:24.38 | resiak | NGo: Why do you think that the problem is imagemagick? |
| 02:24.55 | britt | jelly-ho: yeah i know |
| 02:25.02 | Guerin | britt: -exec; man find |
| 02:25.07 | jelly-ho | britt: use something -i or -I |
| 02:25.09 | seb- | abrotman: raise level on CD? |
| 02:25.14 | seb- | abrotman: still no workie |
| 02:25.22 | NGo | well, when I try to change my personal picture, it gives me an error about ImageMagick |
| 02:25.25 | jelly-ho | -exec sucks if there's a lot of files. |
| 02:25.29 | britt | and thats how xargs sees the input and then gives it to mv |
| 02:25.29 | Guerin | yeah |
| 02:25.34 | Guerin | xargs is fine |
| 02:25.38 | britt | probably 900 files |
| 02:25.40 | Guerin | just not with {} |
| 02:25.47 | britt | so -i |
| 02:25.58 | c4_4e | what is VCs in the adsl router config? |
| 02:26.00 | britt | :( nope |
| 02:26.08 | abrotman | seb-: have you read a single thing that you could use to help yourself? |
| 02:26.11 | nima | apt-get wants to remove hal, should i let it? |
| 02:26.12 | hypnox | c4_4e virtual circuits |
| 02:26.13 | NGo | resiak, can you help me? |
| 02:26.22 | jelly-ho | britt: what are you trying to do, move all m4a to another dir? |
| 02:26.27 | seb- | abrotman: yes |
| 02:26.28 | britt | jelly-ho: yeah |
| 02:26.36 | abrotman | seb-: really .. what docs? |
| 02:26.39 | britt | my mac wont read m4a files? |
| 02:26.46 | seb- | abrotman: your prose :) |
| 02:26.49 | resiak | NGo: use apt-get install imagemagick ? |
| 02:26.50 | abrotman | jackass |
| 02:26.55 | c4_4e | hypnox: and i need only one to conect 2 machines out using that adsl or i need more? |
| 02:26.59 | britt | i promise i'll keep this so i wont keep buggin you all |
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| 02:27.14 | zorelha | how i visualize archives of cd-rom boot ? |
| 02:27.14 | britt | and then i'll have a real life example that i can mod. |
| 02:27.20 | nima | apt-get dist-upgrade lists hal in packages to be removed |
| 02:27.23 | hypnox | c4_4e you'll just have one vc to your isp |
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| 02:27.35 | jelly-ho | britt: find . -name \*.mp3 -print0 | xargs -0 -iX -n10 echo mv X foo/ |
| 02:27.36 | britt | zorelha: close your eyes and think real hard :) |
| 02:27.36 | resiak | find /aeouhtdsaou -name \*.m4a -exec mv '{}' /aoeu/target |
| 02:27.47 | resiak | erm, with \; on the end |
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| 02:28.17 | jelly-ho | -exec would fork once for each file, which kinda sucks. |
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| 02:28.23 | zorelha | britt cdrom boot . archives this hide |
| 02:28.27 | resiak | Yeah, well. |
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| 02:29.23 | jelly-ho | though I doubt I would matter much for those rather large multimedia files. |
| 02:29.26 | britt | :( it does the same thing, but spits out all of this stuff, from the echo put in there |
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| 02:29.41 | c4_4e | hypnox: ok, so, now i need a PPP or ATM VC or a IPOA or a EOA? |
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| 02:30.08 | jelly-ho | britt: that's the debug version, :-) remove echo to actually invoke mv. |
| 02:30.15 | hypnox | c4_4e ask your isp |
| 02:30.34 | dorileo | hey guys! I've just downloaded a .dsc file in fact just did apt-get source the_package.... It came with a .dsc and the orig tar ball and a diff file... |
| 02:30.35 | jelly-ho | britt: I always put echo first to confirm it'll do what I want. |
| 02:30.48 | humboldt | is there a logging facility that lets me log everything (apache, postfix, syslog) to a db, so I can more easily search for entries? |
| 02:30.57 | dorileo | and now? how do I debianly work with this files? |
| 02:31.07 | dorileo | can someone point me? |
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| 02:31.30 | mathias64 | how long ago did tetex switch to making latex into pdfetx? |
| 02:31.59 | britt | it has two instances of saying that when transferring multiple files, last argument must be directory |
| 02:32.08 | c4_4e | hypnox: can i use other thing that is not ppp to do username: ... password:... or i have to use ppp (i have to guess, my isp doesn't give that info, they want me to use winpppoet) |
| 02:32.09 | britt | i removed echo....i knew that much :\ |
| 02:32.12 | abrotman | !tell dorileo about source |
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| 02:32.34 | britt | find . -name \*.m4a -print0 | xargs -0 -iX -n10 mv X /hdd/Music2 |
| 02:32.44 | Azar | I like the way he said it: " in a debianly way" :) |
| 02:32.59 | NGo | resiak, mm, I could change my picture in amsn |
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| 02:33.06 | c4_4e | hypnox: do you know a doc that explains all that configuration stuff and what is all for? |
| 02:33.15 | hypnox | c4_4e any adsl guide really |
| 02:33.17 | NGo | but it doesn't show my frinds' pictures yet |
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| 02:33.49 | seb- | abrotman: thanks for the help. i really appreciate it |
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| 02:34.03 | unixfool_ | how can I tell why something is held back? (says so running dist-upgrade but installs just fine) |
| 02:34.06 | c4_4e | hypnox: if i know how all works, may be i can found how to configure all this |
| 02:34.21 | Azar | c4_4e: I have no idea what you are trying to do but here are "docs" http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
| 02:34.22 | jelly-ho | britt: um, is /hdd/Music2 actually a directory? :-) |
| 02:34.34 | shogunx | c4_4e have you tried pppoeconf? |
| 02:34.59 | abrotman | seb-: was that sarcasm? |
| 02:35.04 | Azar | errr sorry, I meant dorileo: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
| 02:35.05 | britt | jelly-ho: yeah |
| 02:35.09 | jelly-ho | britt: ahh... try it with echo and you'll see it's wrong. |
| 02:35.09 | c4_4e | hypnox: i can see a lot of 'new stuff' for me here, like that VCs thing, IPOA, AAL5-1, ... |
| 02:35.26 | seb- | abrotman: no,seriously, linux needs all the support it can get. not many people are willing to help out for free. that is a noble thing |
| 02:35.31 | hypnox | c4_4e yeah, that's ATM terminology |
| 02:35.37 | c4_4e | shogunx: that configure a machin, i have a little router |
| 02:35.58 | Xylron | I was wondering why the replacement for pdo was pdo.debian.net rather tan packags.debian.net, untill i tries that URL. Now I wonder what is packages.debian.net? It is not running the same version of the pdo scripts as pdo.debian.net |
| 02:36.00 | mathias64 | anyone know how to make an honest dvi file with the latest debian tetex package? |
| 02:36.01 | jelly-ho | britt: use the -exec version, I'm kind of too stupid to debug it now. |
| 02:36.35 | britt | well hell for some reason there's only liek 15 files |
| 02:36.42 | britt | :( i'll jsut zap em manually |
| 02:36.42 | dorileo | Azar: I what to download the package source, edit the source code recompile test and then create a .deb |
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| 02:37.18 | c4_4e | hypnox: ok, i have to do something to send my user and pass, that can be other thing than ppp or have to do it by ppp? |
| 02:37.19 | Azar | Xylron: I have no clue what you mean but you know that Debian comes with three versions: stable , testing and unstable, each has its own supo..err repositories |
| 02:37.33 | jelly-ho | britt: if you use zsh, mv **/*.m4a(.) /where/ever/ |
| 02:37.53 | c4_4e | mmmhh.. i have to sleep or ill die |
| 02:38.17 | britt | jelly-ho: woah, that soudns insanely easy and idiot-proof |
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| 02:38.23 | britt | a alternate shell i take it? |
| 02:38.26 | hypnox | c4_4e yeah, you need to use ppp, that runs over atm, and tcp/ip runs on the ppp :) |
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| 02:38.35 | Azar | dorileo: apt-cache search "package"-source would give you a list with what you have for your version of Debian. You look , pick then use apt-get install "package/found" |
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| 02:39.01 | britt | c4_4e: actually I hear sleep is actually not really *needed* to sustain life |
| 02:39.06 | Azar | dorileo: but maybe I misunderstood your goal |
| 02:39.08 | c4_4e | ok, that's bery iimportant, because now i know that i have to make that ppp link up |
| 02:39.19 | Guerin | britt: spoken like someone who's never really had to go without |
| 02:39.27 | c4_4e | very |
| 02:39.38 | britt | Guerin: i've been without sleep before |
| 02:39.38 | useruser_ | humboldt: dunno, interesting question. couldn't you write a few shell scripts to populate a database from the normal logs and use them in place of logrotate? |
| 02:39.44 | NGo | can anybody help me with opengl? |
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| 02:39.53 | Xylron | Arg... some of my typos may have been confusing. s/tan/than/ s/untill/until/ s/tries/tried/. My question was what is "packages.debian.net"? It is *not* the temporary replacement for packages.debian.org, and it is running a different version of the script. |
| 02:39.53 | britt | but im not really human, im just another bot |
| 02:39.55 | Azar | britt try cornflakes with milk before bed |
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| 02:40.29 | Guerin | Azar: yeah, because eating something with a bunch of carbohydrates is a great way to make yourself sleepy |
| 02:40.45 | shogunx | a potato would work well also. |
| 02:40.46 | Azar | Guerin not to speak of winds |
| 02:40.53 | dorileo | Azar: ok, it I understood, but I want to know how Debian developers work with these packages, I mean to decompress the files and work on them |
| 02:41.08 | dorileo | Azar: got it? |
| 02:41.17 | Azar | dorileo: I am only a mildly advanced newbie I have no idea |
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| 02:41.26 | gravity | dorileo: What do you mean? |
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| 02:41.33 | britt | Azar: i'll make a note of that |
| 02:41.41 | seb- | Azar: what is an advanced newbie? |
| 02:41.48 | britt | milk + circuit boards = upgrade |
| 02:41.51 | dorileo | gravity: let's supose I want to fix a bug, how whoud I work? |
| 02:41.53 | namez | i have a partition of vfat fs which i keep some Win95 files. i don't know when was the last time i accessed. today, can't access it. err msg is that it is a wrong fs type. checked fstab, it is still there. i ahve keep upgrading kernel versions to the current 2.6.8. is it possible that the kernel is not supporting vfat fs? |
| 02:42.01 | dorileo | gravity: apt-get source package |
| 02:42.05 | scarynetworkguy | gravity: You wouldn't know anything about what DDs do. :P |
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| 02:42.09 | gravity | dorileo: Right. Step two: fix bug |
| 02:42.10 | Azar | seb- I could define an advanced newbie one that knows what he/she is doing |
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| 02:42.15 | dorileo | gravity: wait |
| 02:42.22 | dorileo | gravity: before I fix the bug |
| 02:42.24 | gravity | dorileo: Step 3, send patch to BTS. Or if you're the maintainer, you build and upload the fixed package |
| 02:42.27 | nima | is it possible to run multiple instances of xfree? |
| 02:42.32 | seb- | Azar: sounds like a new advanced person to me |
| 02:42.32 | elnovato | yeh |
| 02:42.38 | gravity | nima: Yes |
| 02:42.40 | dorileo | gravity: I need know how to work correctly with .dsc |
| 02:42.45 | c4_4e | hypnox: the aal5-1 has a VCI that is that 'circuit' you have said and is 31 (is that ok?) and have a VPI that is the path... now i have the ATM i have to do some link between ATM and ppp... so...mmm ?? |
| 02:42.45 | dorileo | gravity: right? |
| 02:42.47 | gravity | nima: startx -- :1 (:2, :3, etc) |
| 02:42.49 | unixfool_ | how can I tell why something is held back? (says so running dist-upgrade but installs just fine) |
| 02:42.51 | elnovato | nima yes |
| 02:42.52 | humboldt | useruser_: I still ask myself, why Linux has not evolved to be fully DB based anyhow. Why do I need to know where I left my documents? Why can't I create certain log-"files" on the fly from a DB? What for something like googles desktop search (and GPL versions) which try to index a boring folder based file system instead of getting rid of the antiquated folder structure at once?! |
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| 02:43.01 | dorileo | gravity: I know it comes with a orig tar ball |
| 02:43.02 | gravity | dorileo: Why the .dsc? You shouldn't have to touch it |
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| 02:43.04 | humboldt | This would make so many things so much easier! |
| 02:43.06 | shogunx | nima like multiple instances on multiple displays or xterminals, or two instances on one display? |
| 02:43.11 | dorileo | gravity: I can decompress it and work |
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| 02:43.23 | dorileo | gravity: but is that the right way? |
| 02:43.32 | hypnox | c4_4e youre going to have to ask your isp, those settings vary |
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| 02:43.35 | gravity | dorileo: dpkg-source -x your.dsc will decompress the .orig.tar.gz and apply the .changes |
| 02:43.41 | dorileo | gravity: hum! so I don't need to use .dsc? |
| 02:43.42 | gravity | dorileo: Or rather, .diff.gz |
| 02:43.43 | unixfool_ | seb-: call me |
| 02:43.54 | gravity | dorileo: You need it, but you don't have to touch it yourself. It provides info to the software |
| 02:43.58 | seb- | unixfool_: hello |
| 02:44.07 | dorileo | gravity: good.... I love you, you understood me :D |
| 02:44.10 | gravity | dorileo: In all the packages I've built I've never had to mess with the .dsc, although I know why you would want to |
| 02:44.12 | unixfool_ | seb-: sdelafond? |
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| 02:44.25 | useruser_ | humboldt: 40 years of backwards compatibility? |
| 02:44.27 | nima | shogunx, eehhhh, so i can hit alt+ctrl+Fsomething to switch between them |
| 02:44.28 | harfooz | hi all. I'm trying to install an icon set in Sarge's Gnome theme manager. Trying to follow the instructions of "dragging them into the window" but the icon sets are still not available for selection. What am I doing wrong? |
| 02:44.32 | humboldt | Imagine having a sarge and an etch installation on the same partition. Files that are the same in both dists simply show up in both indices. |
| 02:44.35 | seb- | unixfool_: i don't know what you are talking about |
| 02:44.36 | c4_4e | hypnox: ok, they will say me nothing ... can i use some tool to read how winpppoet connects and use "extract" the config that way? |
| 02:44.42 | shogunx | nima yes it can |
| 02:44.43 | jsolis | can any one help with a debian pcmcia wireless card config?? |
| 02:44.44 | Azar | seb- we come in versions too: clueless (raw newbie), newbie (already managed to install debian but does not know what to do after that), mildly advanced (managed to figure out to upgrade to a precompiled kernel, configured x , sound, desktop manager and other applications) advanced newbie (knows more than the previous) |
| 02:44.45 | unixfool_ | seb-: thought you were someone else |
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| 02:45.09 | shogunx | nima the second display would be :1 |
| 02:45.21 | jsolis | i am not being to successfull, i have all the doc but i am running into errors that i dont know how to fix |
| 02:45.23 | dorileo | gravity: Debian is all about too many little tools to help us... but how does know every one? :D |
| 02:45.31 | namez | no answer for my problem? |
| 02:45.33 | gravity | dorileo: You just learn it as you go :-) |
| 02:45.37 | useruser_ | dorileo: google knows all |
| 02:45.38 | nima | thanks, shogunx, i was just wondering :-) |
| 02:45.56 | nima | jsolis, can you be more specific? |
| 02:46.03 | gravity | dorileo: A lot of it is reading the right docs and lists. Also just hanging around and talking to people and asking the right questions. |
| 02:46.11 | humboldt | useruser_: It is time for a change and anyhow, the DB could be transparent for the apps. They believe they are working on a File&Folder system, but in fact they are accessing the DB. And newer DB aware apps access the data directly. |
| 02:46.12 | dorileo | useruser_: google knows but sometimes I like to talk with humans :) |
| 02:46.15 | Azar | namez, sorry I scrolled up I do not see your question |
| 02:46.33 | useruser_ | humboldt: yes, sounds good. i look forwards to trying out your code :P |
| 02:46.45 | harfooz | oh -- duh -- I just answered my own question. The bz or tar file needs to be extracted first before dragging into the gnome-theme-manager. |
| 02:46.58 | namez | Azar: i have a partition of vfat fs which i keep some Win95 files. i don't know when was the last time i accessed it. today, can't access it. in mounting, err msg is that it is a wrong fs type. checked fstab, it is still there. i have been upgrading kernel versions to the current 2.6.8. is it possible that the kernel is not supporting vfat fs? |
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| 02:47.35 | Guerin | humboldt: why? this sounds like another one of those 'store everything in a database' schemes that do nothing but introduce many layers of additional complication\ |
| 02:47.39 | Azar | namez, ah dual boot, I am not able to help, never did that, maybe someone else here knows |
| 02:47.47 | useruser_ | namez: cat /proc/filesystems should tell you the answer to that |
| 02:48.17 | namez | useruser_: i'll check that out. |
| 02:48.23 | useruser_ | namez: and you can try giving mount the -t switch, sometimes helps |
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| 02:48.58 | nima | Guerin, someone should creat a DBfs or something |
| 02:49.23 | humboldt | useruser_: The problem of OSS is the connection between people with ideas and people with coding skills. So basically OSS most of the time is just a copy of the original but with things done right and barely some little inovative features added. But very seldomly something really new. |
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| 02:49.30 | shogunx | nima and the displays do not need to be from the same xserver |
| 02:50.10 | useruser_ | humboldt: maybe. |
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| 02:50.15 | jsolis | http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Debian is the link that i have but i am getting an error on the module-assistant part |
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| 02:50.39 | useruser_ | humboldt: could be that the people who try wacky/innovative things just don't succeed |
| 02:50.41 | TGM | OT: Won't be long now before triple-boot (like dual-boot, but with 3 OS's) will be somewhat routine: OS X (for those times when a Mac freak, or a person who finds multi-button mice confusing, windows (for troubleshooting the problems of those damned windows users when the troubleshooting does not work under WINE), and of course GNU/Linux (for 99% of |
| 02:50.46 | TGM | Everything) |
| 02:50.49 | jsolis | it is not installing the acx100 driver |
| 02:51.01 | Guerin | TGM: bullshit. |
| 02:51.07 | jsolis | nima |
| 02:51.16 | useruser_ | TGM: no, wait for the os-x version of wine |
| 02:51.46 | c4_4e | hypnox: how do i get the gateway IP address provided by your ISP. (they didn't say that to me or do i have to use 192.168.1.1?) |
| 02:51.49 | dabreegster | Hey. I'm doing an apt-get upgrade on dialup. To make the 38 hours go by more quickly, I think I'd like to have some of the packages installed as soon as they're downloaded. Most don't really depend on others. Is there a good way besides dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*? I've got a bunch of old DEBs in there. |
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| 02:52.03 | c4_4e | hypnox: is for the ipoa config |
| 02:52.13 | abrotman | dabreegster: do it in parts? |
| 02:52.18 | namez | useruser_: there is a vfat entry as well as iso9660(for cdrw) and ntfs (for WinXP). so the vfat fs is recognised. why can't mount? |
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| 02:52.22 | Azar | I was never attracted to the dual-boot feature... I like to have the OS enjoy its own box.. |
| 02:52.24 | humboldt | useruser_: seems like that is what is happening. It always takes M$ to release WinFS or Google to release desktop search, ... before those ideas make it into the OSS world. The OSS people like the idea, strip off the restrictions, think the idea furthere and there is the cool OSS tool. But in fact it is just a very good copy. |
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| 02:52.27 | abrotman | dabreegster: or do an apt-get clean before you start |
| 02:52.28 | Guerin | dabreegster: no. That won't work because you can have only one process using the database at a time. |
| 02:52.31 | jsolis | nima did you lookd at the link |
| 02:52.31 | useruser_ | namez: dunno |
| 02:52.37 | odla | can't you triple boot now? i've had a computer with opensolaris, debian, and windows on it |
| 02:52.40 | useruser_ | namez: did you try mount -t? |
| 02:52.40 | dabreegster | abrotman: There's a way to tell it to do it in x MB chunks? |
| 02:52.44 | TGM | Not bull, WINE is nice, but having windows around is sometimes nessisary. And OSX is certainly a great OS for the terminally idodic, or those that like a very sleek interface) |
| 02:52.56 | abrotman | dabreegster: no .. just do it in smaller chunks |
| 02:52.58 | dabreegster | abrotman: Or do you mean apt-get installing each package as it finishes? |
| 02:53.01 | Guerin | dabreegster: suggest you cancel your upgrade and install justthe things you want, then restart it with the whole lot |
| 02:53.01 | dabreegster | abrotman: OK |
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| 02:53.14 | dabreegster | Guerin: Good point |
| 02:53.18 | jelly-ho | TGM: what use would one have with both OSX and another unixoid? |
| 02:53.20 | odla | abrotman: how many people signed your petition? |
| 02:53.22 | dabreegster | Question answered, thanks. There's no automagic way. |
| 02:53.24 | Azar | TGM bull, I moved from windows to Debian totally 2 months ago.. and I do not miss it a bit |
| 02:53.25 | nima | jsolis, whats the error? |
| 02:53.26 | jelly-ho | s/with/for/ |
| 02:53.36 | Guerin | TGM: it's irtrelevant until apple make their osx86 run on generic hardware, which they won't do, ever. |
| 02:54.02 | abrotman | odla: it got shut down |
| 02:54.08 | odla | abrotman: why? |
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| 02:54.16 | Guerin | TGM: unless you think everyone will be running apple hardware in the future, in which case i want some of your drugs. |
| 02:54.21 | abrotman | odla: because damog didn't use his full name or something |
| 02:54.25 | britt | hey another Q, is tehre any way to manually sleep a drive? |
| 02:54.25 | nima | hahaha, i remeber when people wanted to dual-boot 98 and xp |
| 02:54.26 | Azar | mac is the most rabid proprietary hardware/software ever |
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| 02:54.31 | odla | ha ha |
| 02:54.38 | odla | so no debconf for you huh? |
| 02:55.03 | abrotman | Azar: not really |
| 02:55.10 | ice_1963 | msg dpkg etch |
| 02:55.22 | Azar | abrotman, can one run another OS on a mac? |
| 02:55.30 | useruser_ | Azar: debian? |
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| 02:55.38 | odla | ice_1963: you need to do /msg dpkg etch |
| 02:55.40 | Azar | useruser_: ideally "any" |
| 02:55.44 | nima | good question, britt |
| 02:55.57 | Guerin | Azar: the hardware is pretty proprietary, but not as bad as some things.And the os certainly isn't AS proprietary as other stuff. |
| 02:56.01 | britt | nima: i have a drive that only is needed for lets say, backups |
| 02:56.04 | Azar | my belief is that the best hardware should run "any" OS |
| 02:56.07 | abrotman | Azar: Linux ? |
| 02:56.15 | ice_1963 | ok tu :0) |
| 02:56.15 | britt | i just wanted to be able to turn it off and unmount it |
| 02:56.20 | Azar | abrotman: linux too |
| 02:56.21 | Guerin | Azar: for instance, much of OSX is free software (darwin). |
| 02:56.25 | abrotman | Azar: can your PARISC machine run solaris ? |
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| 02:56.35 | nima | britt, i have a laptop with a really loud drive |
| 02:56.36 | Coweater | Azar: anything will run any os, but good luck to you for finding documentation enough for a port |
| 02:56.49 | Guerin | Azar: well, apple hardware runs gnu/linux just fine, so I don't see your problem with it in THAT regard. |
| 02:56.55 | britt | guess not? |
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| 02:57.10 | Azar | it does huh? thanks I did not know |
| 02:57.21 | Guerin | britt: unmount it, it'll sleep |
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| 02:57.28 | britt | Guerin: seriously? |
| 02:57.31 | elnovato | !tell me about vlc |
| 02:57.34 | Guerin | Azar: this is the problem with shooting your mouth off. |
| 02:57.51 | Guerin | britt: why would it be active if it's not mounted? |
| 02:57.51 | elnovato | whats the name of vlc package? |
| 02:57.52 | damog | odla: 50. |
| 02:57.56 | Guerin | elnovato: vlc |
| 02:58.03 | odla | damog: so abrotman is going then huh? |
| 02:58.05 | britt | Guerin: stranger things have happened.... |
| 02:58.21 | britt | Guerin: guess its up to the BIOS then, huh? |
| 02:58.33 | damog | odla: He better. |
| 02:58.33 | Azar | Guerin, if I would not I would never find out: I will try getting an old mac from someone and try Debian on it |
| 02:58.35 | namez | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.36 | abrotman | odla: actually only 49 |
| 02:58.38 | namez | or too many mounted file systems. Including those no dev fs, there are many file systems. What is the limit? |
| 02:58.47 | Guerin | Azar: you could just read the debian reference |
| 02:59.07 | sanmarcos | can anybody help me in building the lirc modules, I am getting /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c:426: error: `I2C_ALGO_BIT' undeclared (first use in this function) any ideas? |
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| 03:00.25 | odla | i'd go to debconf if i didn't have to work |
| 03:00.30 | odla | mexico would be sweet |
| 03:00.37 | gravity | Me too |
| 03:00.40 | gravity | Next year |
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| 03:01.13 | mo1991 | I have 2 soundcards come up in 2.6.15 kernel - how do I get one of them to not load? Using Udev |
| 03:01.38 | sanmarcos | mo1991: light 5 black candles and yell "Udev.. oh lord" |
| 03:01.43 | britt | Azar: i think its best to run OS X on a mac, i tried debian and it was just bleh |
| 03:01.58 | sanmarcos | britt: try ubuntu on mac |
| 03:02.07 | Azar | Guerin, reading it I assume when they say PC that would not refer to a mac as well.. |
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| 03:02.35 | namez | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.37 | namez | or too many mounted file systems. |
| 03:02.41 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s3.1.1 |
| 03:02.56 | britt | i'll see.. i have to fix laptop #12 before I get linux on it |
| 03:03.00 | namez | what is the limit to the no. of mounted fs in Linux? |
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| 03:03.43 | abrotman | namez: i doubt you've hit the limit |
| 03:03.47 | Azar | ... ok on the manuals I have online there is no reference to "apple" or "mac" hardware |
| 03:03.50 | Guerin | namez: how many do you ahve mounted? |
| 03:03.56 | asg | Azar: #debianppc |
| 03:04.05 | Guerin | Azar: no.It's powerpc or ppc |
| 03:04.16 | Azar | ah, sorry ok I didn't know |
| 03:04.32 | namez | Guerin: /proc/filesystems list many, including those nodev types, but no total. |
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| 03:04.46 | Guerin | namez:do they fit one one screen? |
| 03:05.19 | asg | Guerin: depends on the size of the screen |
| 03:05.21 | namez | Guerin: more. i think that is not the problem. i'll check up my kernel config. |
| 03:06.23 | abrotman | does /d/ exist ? |
| 03:06.50 | asg | abrotman: is that a klansman doing the wave? |
| 03:06.52 | mo1991 | no one know how to get udev not to load a sound card? |
| 03:06.54 | Guerin | the number 255 is ringing bells |
| 03:07.03 | abrotman | asg: you need to get out of the south :) |
| 03:07.03 | asg | mo1991: /msg dpkg blacklist (maybe) |
| 03:07.07 | Guerin | i sincerely doubt he has a terminal window that big |
| 03:07.51 | elnovato | there is no such package VLC in debian etch |
| 03:08.01 | dvs | mo1991: What does udev have to do with a soundcard? I've never seen a relationship between the two. |
| 03:08.03 | asg | abrotman: there is a ritzy bar up the street that sells moonshite at elevated prices in chilled glasses ;) |
| 03:08.05 | namez | VFAT support in definitely config into the kernel. Is 255 the limit? |
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| 03:08.45 | Guerin | namez: i don't know, i'm just having a memory. |
| 03:09.11 | abrotman | asg: is that your bar? |
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| 03:09.30 | namez | i have another run of /proc/filesystems. the total fs is <20. that's not the problem then. |
| 03:09.31 | mo1991 | dvs - asg - udev talkes the place of hotplug in the 2.6.15 kernel - I used to use the hotplug/blacklist file but this doesn't work with udev |
| 03:09.36 | asg | abrotman: no, though they do a good turkey on foccia |
| 03:09.36 | Guerin | elnovato: /msg dpkg whgy is vlc not in etch |
| 03:09.57 | abrotman | why also |
| 03:10.03 | Guerin | elnovato: a few weeks ago it's because it depended on udev and avahi and hal and other stupid gnomish evilitude |
| 03:10.13 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:10.21 | Guerin | elnovato: /msg dpkg why is vlc not in testing |
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| 03:10.26 | Morydd | don't know if anyone can help with this, but is there a way to mask the address of my scanner so that when runing xsane I don't have to use gt68xx:libusb:001:034 everytime? |
| 03:10.31 | abrotman | asg: how about ham?! |
| 03:10.35 | elnovato | ooouch |
| 03:10.53 | dvs | mo1991: What sound modules are you trying to not load? |
| 03:10.58 | mo1991 | ali5451 |
| 03:11.03 | mo1991 | snd_ali5451 |
| 03:11.08 | abrotman | damog: i'm a bot! |
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| 03:11.14 | dvs | mo1991: both of them? |
| 03:11.17 | mo1991 | or at least I need to change the order in which they run |
| 03:11.22 | asg | abrotman: and you say I need to get out more! You're the one with the pig fetish ;) |
| 03:11.25 | mo1991 | dvs- also a usb soundcard |
| 03:11.29 | namez | fs type is not the problem, no. of fs is not the problem, and i can access the partition from WinXP. where's the problem? |
| 03:11.42 | mo1991 | trying to at least get the usb card to load before the ali5451 |
| 03:11.44 | mo1991 | dvs above |
| 03:11.50 | NGo | hey, I can't play vcds on vcl |
| 03:11.54 | NGo | can anybody help me? |
| 03:12.04 | dvs | mo1991: Put them in the order you want in /etc/modules |
| 03:12.05 | abrotman | asg: you ate wendys! |
| 03:12.09 | elnovato | NGo: i cant even install it :P |
| 03:12.20 | Guerin | no |
| 03:12.24 | dvs | abrotman: Don't you Do Wendy's? ;-) |
| 03:12.25 | Guerin | vlc is not in testing |
| 03:12.30 | Guerin | use xine and/or mplayer |
| 03:12.35 | NGo | Guerin |
| 03:12.36 | abrotman | dvs: about once every three months .. |
| 03:12.37 | Guerin | or build vlc yourself |
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| 03:12.41 | mo1991 | dvs - neither is in /etc/modules they load via udev (or hotplug with no udev) |
| 03:12.43 | britt | poor wendy |
| 03:12.49 | NGo | I installed vcl one time, and it worked so fine |
| 03:12.54 | NGo | it played vcds |
| 03:13.00 | dvs | mo1991: I'm telling you to put them there. |
| 03:13.03 | jsolis_ | nima did you get my error |
| 03:13.04 | NGo | but later I gave format to my computer |
| 03:13.07 | asg | abrotman: yes, I was under a time constraint |
| 03:13.09 | Daemon666 | can anyone tell me what this means please? ...... |
| 03:13.10 | Daemon666 | Error - Perl execution failed |
| 03:13.10 | Daemon666 | Undefined subroutine &proc::is_readonly_mode called at /usr/local/share/webmin/proc/proc-lib.pl line 116. |
| 03:13.13 | NGo | and now vlc doesn't play vcds |
| 03:13.26 | Guerin | Daemon666: it means 'don't fucking use webmin, it's crap' |
| 03:13.33 | mo1991 | dvs - k i'll try that |
| 03:13.34 | abrotman | asg: ribs to go! |
| 03:13.34 | elnovato | NGo: shoud be codecs |
| 03:13.37 | Azar | NGo that is what usually happens with unstable: is unstable |
| 03:13.42 | dvs | kill? Yikes! |
| 03:13.46 | Daemon666 | Guerin - can you recommend something else? |
| 03:13.59 | asg | abrotman: too much work, I'm a lazy bastard. |
| 03:14.01 | jsolis_ | hello |
| 03:14.04 | Guerin | Daemon666: ssh and /bin/sh |
| 03:14.05 | elnovato | there is vlc in unstable? |
| 03:14.23 | xerophyte | i have inet --> [router 192.168.0.1] --> [ 192.168.0.102 eth0 linux server eth 1 192.168.1.1] --> [192.168.1.2 labtop ] from the laptop i can connect to the linux server 192.168.1.1 and i can ping 192.168.0.102, but i could not ping 192.168.0.1 .. does anybody know why iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE and echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 03:14.25 | abrotman | asg: you order and go ? |
| 03:14.27 | Daemon666 | Guerin - have you always been this funny or is it a recent thing? |
| 03:14.30 | Guerin | elnovato: /msg dpkg info vlc sid |
| 03:14.50 | asg | abrotman: not the ordering, the eating; too much work. |
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| 03:15.01 | NGo | Azar, I don't understand you |
| 03:15.05 | Guerin | Daemon666: several years now. You might think it's funny, but I tell you, it's a lot less funny than you ggetting your machine owned or your config files broken by webmin. |
| 03:15.11 | Azar | thai is easier to eat: does not require much chewing |
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| 03:15.30 | Guerin | Daemon666: not to mention the fact that, when webmin breaks, as it's doing now, you have to fallback to using the shell anyway. |
| 03:15.33 | jsolis | nima |
| 03:15.49 | Azar | NGo I would assume the vlc is not running on the stable version of debian, so if it runs with unstable, will behave as such |
| 03:16.01 | shogunx | xerophyte does your laptop have a route to 192.168.0.0 in its routing tables? |
| 03:16.03 | abrotman | asg: you need like that SNL skit .. where they chew the food for you and drop it in your mouth |
| 03:16.04 | Daemon666 | Guerin - OK but there must be a management program I can use till i can learn the shell? |
| 03:16.06 | britt | Guerin: whats all the hype about webmin |
| 03:16.20 | Guerin | Daemon666: webmin is so shit that the debian maintainer abandoned it in disgust. If you're running a machine with publically accessible services, you should consider learning to administer it as your first task. |
| 03:16.34 | Guerin | Daemon666: what does your machine run? |
| 03:16.38 | britt | pssh... |
| 03:16.52 | Daemon666 | a web server |
| 03:16.57 | buu | Is there some kind of ffmpeg-dev package, because I can't find one.. |
| 03:17.11 | abrotman | buu: i think at marillat ? |
| 03:17.14 | britt | later fellas! |
| 03:17.15 | asg | abrotman: "Bring me the brown one, he amuses me" -- History of the World Part I |
| 03:17.15 | Daemon666 | apache, proftpd, sshd, postfix etc.... |
| 03:17.18 | abrotman | !info ffmpeg sid |
| 03:17.20 | dpkg | ffmpeg: (multimedia player, server and encoder), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.cvs20050918-6 (sid), Packaged size: 4100 kB, Installed size: 9904 kB |
| 03:17.22 | xerophyte | shogunx, it does not have it but i thas route 192.168.1 |
| 03:17.22 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:17.25 | britt | abrotman: which has been down for months |
| 03:17.27 | abrotman | !info ffmpeg-dev sid |
| 03:17.28 | Guerin | Daemon666: ok, so you need to read the documentation on httpd.apache.org and learn to use a text editor |
| 03:17.35 | abrotman | britt: ? marillat is fine |
| 03:17.38 | britt | wtf |
| 03:17.41 | elnovato | God send somebody to fix Ati drivers for debian please !!! |
| 03:17.45 | abrotman | britt: it's just you |
| 03:17.50 | abrotman | !info ffmpeg-dev etch |
| 03:17.52 | abrotman | !info ffmpeg-dev sarge |
| 03:17.53 | buu | abrotman: I installed ffmpeg with no problems, now I'm trying to compile something that uses it, it's failing on "FFMPEG_ROOT" |
| 03:18.02 | Azar | elnovato: write to ATI to write their drivers for linux |
| 03:18.02 | jsolis | can any one tell me the right package to get so that my dlink pcmcia wireless card would be recognized on debian??? |
| 03:18.02 | britt | im not even going to check |
| 03:18.03 | buu | So I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing |
| 03:18.05 | Daemon666 | Guerin - it's already configured and i use nano, but i need webmin for other things |
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| 03:18.16 | abrotman | buu: wtf .. that is odd .. maybe there is no -dev ? |
| 03:18.20 | Guerin | Daemon666: proftpd is complex, you might consider vsftpd instead, which is simpler and just as powerful. Why did you install postfix instead of exim, whicyh is the debian default? |
| 03:18.20 | britt | abrotman: you're right. its probably me, nto havin good computer luck lately |
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| 03:18.28 | britt | later, cya Guerin |
| 03:18.28 | Guerin | Daemon666: no, you don't need webmin. |
| 03:18.30 | buu | abrotman: Where do you suppose I would find the source files? |
| 03:18.30 | shogunx | xerophyte try route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.1 and route add default gateway 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:18.46 | elnovato | Azar: i did, they seems not ready their TT system |
| 03:18.47 | jsolis | any one |
| 03:18.48 | abrotman | buu: do you have a deb-src line ? |
| 03:18.57 | buu | abrotman: Hrm. Yeah, I might |
| 03:19.03 | Daemon666 | Guerin - because someone told me to use postfix and cos it works, proftd is installed and working fine as well |
| 03:19.10 | buu | abrotman: Yeah I do |
| 03:19.27 | Guerin | Daemon666: ok. So now you get to learn postfix as well. |
| 03:19.31 | Azar | elnovato: they should take example from nVidia: "The Nvidia driver is *not* open-source, although the company has allowed an open-source driver to be developed. " |
| 03:19.31 | abrotman | buu: maybe it's libffmpeg? |
| 03:19.42 | abrotman | or not |
| 03:19.44 | jsolis | can any one help please? |
| 03:19.49 | abrotman | !tell buu about source |
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| 03:19.59 | Azar | jsolis what is your question? |
| 03:20.02 | Guerin | !tell jsolis about ask |
| 03:20.07 | Guerin | Azar: he asked it. |
| 03:20.18 | buu | abrotman: Sounds clunky.. |
| 03:20.24 | abrotman | buu: maybe it's a version problem ? |
| 03:20.39 | elnovato | Want to Trade Ati radeon 9200 for any Gforce Fx card :D , interested /msg me |
| 03:20.48 | Guerin | elnovato: this is not craigslist |
| 03:21.00 | buu | abrotman: Er, how would that be an issue? |
| 03:21.07 | abrotman | buu: function not defined yet? |
| 03:21.13 | xerophyte | shogunx, its winxp laptop i have added the route still could not ping the router :( |
| 03:21.35 | buu | abrotman: Er, no, I need the header files and such |
| 03:21.57 | Guerin | buu: find the source package ffmpeg comes from and see what other packages are built from it |
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| 03:22.27 | shogunx | xerophyte i see your problem. you will want to install linux on the laptop. |
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| 03:22.39 | ProfessorChaos | hello all, I just added pci NIC card, and now my built-in nic card isn't being detected. |
| 03:22.41 | xerophyte | shogunx, what is the different ;) |
| 03:22.43 | jsolis | i am trying to install a package call x100-source and after i run the module-assistant app and i go to list it gives me this |
| 03:22.56 | Azar | jsolis: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Debian+3.1+packages+for+dlink+pcmcia+wireless&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=gg&oi=groupst&q=Debian+3.1+packages+for+dlink+pcmcia+wireless |
| 03:23.08 | jsolis | acx100-source (source package not installed): |
| 03:23.08 | abrotman | !marillat |
| 03:23.08 | dpkg | hmm... marillat is (from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid>) |
| 03:23.29 | jsolis | thank you very very very very much |
| 03:23.39 | jsolis | i'll check it out |
| 03:24.06 | elnovato | any other plater as vlc ?? |
| 03:24.12 | elnovato | player* |
| 03:24.22 | mo1991 | dvs - just so you know - to block the modules it goes in /etc/modprobe.conf - add blacklist "module" to this file for udev for blacklist |
| 03:24.56 | elnovato | !tell me about player |
| 03:25.07 | dvs | Too bad because /etc/modprobe.conf is obsolete |
| 03:25.27 | Guerin | elnovato: i already told you two |
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| 03:25.30 | elnovato | !tell me about movie player |
| 03:25.43 | Agrajag- | i have a directory on a remote machine i want to backup every week or so. only new files get added to the directory (old ones don't get changed). what would be the best tool for doing this? |
| 03:25.43 | elnovato | ouch guerin im soo sorry ive missed it |
| 03:25.52 | Guerin | elnovato: xine and mplayer |
| 03:26.06 | elnovato | thank you |
| 03:26.10 | Guerin | Agrajag-: ftp or rsync |
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| 03:26.57 | buu | Agrajag-: rsync! |
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| 03:27.09 | adub | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8725 <-------- im getting that make error trying to patch the orinoco classic gold drivers |
| 03:27.15 | Agrajag- | hmm ok. it really needs to be secure though as well |
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| 03:28.07 | Agrajag- | i think i can do rsync over ssh or something. ok anyway i'll look into that |
| 03:28.22 | Azar | jsolis http://www.ndeepak.info/tech/dlink_g650_wireless_linux |
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| 03:29.03 | Guerin | hm, i wonder if I can hack rsnapshot to use ftp as a backend instead of rsync |
| 03:29.04 | dondelelcaro | Agrajag-: yes, you can. |
| 03:29.09 | Guerin | bet I can't |
| 03:29.11 | cwood | Question. mesa-common-dev won't install without removing kdelibs4-dev and other stuff. I can't find a bug about this. Is there a hint on a web page somewhere? |
| 03:29.14 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yuck. |
| 03:29.28 | dvs | dondelelcaro: How many people say you? |
| 03:29.35 | dvs | s/say/saw |
| 03:29.41 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah. I have to take my own backup machine down now, and my host's backup machine only provides ftp access |
| 03:29.42 | dondelelcaro | dvs: saw me where? |
| 03:30.01 | dvs | dondelelcaro: Weren't you at a booth last weekend? |
| 03:30.02 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: lftp's mirror support may be better able to do that... |
| 03:30.15 | dondelelcaro | dvs: ah, yes... no one came and said they were from #debian |
| 03:30.26 | dondelelcaro | (not that I was too terribly surprised either way) |
| 03:30.30 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah, I do use lftp and mirror, but I'm uncertain how to sanely do versioning and hardlinks |
| 03:30.49 | dvs | !lart the channel |
| 03:30.50 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: I don't think you can... root the backup machine and install rsync? |
| 03:30.53 | Azar | dondelecaro back from boston? |
| 03:30.57 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: heh. |
| 03:31.12 | dondelelcaro | Azar: yeah, been back for a while |
| 03:31.29 | gravity | heh |
| 03:31.30 | Azar | how was it? any exciting news? |
| 03:31.40 | dondelelcaro | Azar: good, most of the news is the gplv3 |
| 03:31.56 | dondelelcaro | that's pretty much all I was there for (that, and the puzzle hunt) |
| 03:32.08 | Azar | dondelelcaro: so you think the gpl3 is ok? |
| 03:32.15 | dondelelcaro | Azar: http://web.mit.edu/puzzle/www/ |
| 03:32.26 | Azar | :) checking it |
| 03:32.27 | Guerin | don't really want to use tar and gz |
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| 03:32.30 | dondelelcaro | Azar: it has issues, but for the most part they're fixable |
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| 03:33.36 | hit | who knows how to get "java-package" |
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| 03:33.59 | elnovato | kernel 2.6.15 its a piece of art |
| 03:34.21 | Azar | that looks extra fun :) thanks for the url |
| 03:34.29 | hit | who knows how to get "java-package"?? please |
| 03:35.10 | Azar | dondelecaro you like solving challenges? |
| 03:35.12 | jvw | hit: probably need to add contrib to your sources.list |
| 03:36.02 | hit | please give me a proper link to get it |
| 03:36.05 | nrdb | I have a small LAN, my server has two network cards one connected to a broadband modem via DHCP, the other providing DHCP/DDNS services to my LAN, my problem is the /etc/resolv.conf file is allways getting reset to a default that is wrong, can anyone help in stopping it getting changed at every reboot? |
| 03:36.19 | dondelelcaro | hit: just append it to the end of your 'stable main' sources.list line |
| 03:36.49 | insaneinside | Question: I'm getting a GPG error apt-get update; it's telling me that no public key is available for either security.debian.org or ftp.us.debian.org. Is that part of the packages.debian.org problemset, or is it me? |
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| 03:37.09 | insaneinside | *"...error on apt-get update..." |
| 03:37.14 | jsolis | novato necesito tu ayuda |
| 03:37.15 | dondelelcaro | insaneinside: see /topic |
| 03:37.24 | dondelelcaro | !spanish |
| 03:37.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:37.33 | elnovato | jsolis: dime |
| 03:37.45 | Azar | why I never got hassled with this apt key ? is something new? |
| 03:37.48 | hit | just like "deb URL stable main contrib"?? |
| 03:38.09 | jsolis | novato i need help configuring my pcmcia wireless card |
| 03:38.13 | jsolis | you think you can help |
| 03:38.18 | dondelelcaro | hit: yes. |
| 03:38.21 | Azar | hit : like deb URL stable main non-free contrib |
| 03:38.32 | elnovato | !tell jsolis about pcmcia |
| 03:38.34 | hit | ok thanks i will try it |
| 03:38.45 | insaneinside | dondelelcaro: you mean people actually read those things? ;P ...thanks for the reminder. |
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| 03:38.57 | elnovato | jsolis: since i never tried pcmcia in linux, but should be easy as usb |
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| 03:39.13 | jsolis | enlight me novato |
| 03:39.15 | dondelelcaro | insaneinside: well, when it's the part of the topic which is in caps... ;-) |
| 03:39.15 | Gnea | úúú dpkg: No such nick/channel |
| 03:39.21 | jsolis | do you have some links |
| 03:39.29 | Azar | good evening mr Gnea |
| 03:39.32 | elnovato | Azar: is the pcmcia guru |
| 03:39.32 | jsolis | i am having some difficulty |
| 03:39.37 | Gnea | Azar: hello |
| 03:39.47 | dax-- | im trying to get compiz to work on my box... ive got everything installed thats needed but when i try to use it i get 'Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".' |
| 03:39.49 | Azar | elnovato, no I am the google guru: I find you anything you want |
| 03:39.49 | Gnea | jsolis: it's a laptop right? |
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| 03:39.54 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: yes, the bot just got flooded off. |
| 03:39.54 | jsolis | let me ask azar |
| 03:40.05 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: lovely. |
| 03:40.06 | michal_ | hi.. which of these is actually being used and are both required? there's /etc/tomcat5/policy.d/03catalina.policy and /var/lib/tomcat5/conf/catalina.policy |
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| 03:40.08 | Azar | jsolis the last link I gave you is very clear |
| 03:40.08 | hit | it works , thanks |
| 03:40.19 | gravity | dax--: You managed to build it? |
| 03:40.23 | Gnea | jsolis: and which laptop? |
| 03:40.24 | jsolis | Azar i am still puzzled on how to configure my pcmcia wifi card |
| 03:40.25 | elnovato | jsolis: http://gcubo.org/documentacion/recetas/tarjetawifi |
| 03:40.31 | dax-- | gravity, yea |
| 03:40.42 | Gnea | jsolis: do you have any other pcmcia cards? |
| 03:40.55 | jsolis | i have a inpiron 8200 laptop with a pcmcia dling 650b card |
| 03:40.55 | \amethyst | michal_: the one in /var/lib is built by concatenating those in /etc/tomcat5/policy.d |
| 03:41.02 | gravity | dax--: Do you have GLX loaded? |
| 03:41.04 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.08 | dax-- | yes i do |
| 03:41.11 | Gnea | heh, dling, awesome |
| 03:41.13 | jsolis | i do have an older one i think is a hawkins |
| 03:41.13 | michal_ | \amethyst: ahh.. thanks |
| 03:41.32 | gravity | dax--: How do you know? |
| 03:41.35 | insaneinside | dondelelcaro: dpkg is not existing at the moment, it would seem. shall I try the one in /usr/bin? |
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| 03:42.13 | insaneinside | well, speak of the binary. |
| 03:42.13 | Gnea | aaaah |
| 03:42.31 | michal_ | could anyone here help me out understanding why a webapp refuses to work with security enabled intomcat evenif i give it all permissions but works fine if i turn off security in tomcat? |
| 03:42.40 | Azar | jsolis if you take a bit of time and read, you will find out what and how to do it. |
| 03:42.51 | Guerin | hm, 300mb isn't enough |
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| 03:42.54 | jsolis | sound good |
| 03:43.00 | dax-- | gravity, log says its loaded |
| 03:43.05 | gravity | ok |
| 03:43.22 | Gnea | Guerin: "640k ought to be enough for anybody" |
| 03:43.28 | gravity | dax--: I don't know then. You'd have to plumb around in the xgl sources, which I haven't looked at yet. There's a #xgl channel out there |
| 03:43.37 | jsolis | I spend one day already but now that i have those links i might be guided on the right path |
| 03:43.38 | jsolis | thanks |
| 03:43.40 | abrotman | michal_: ask #tomcat |
| 03:43.43 | dax-- | mmk thanks |
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| 03:43.57 | Gnea | jsolis: oh yeah, that's an awesome tutorial |
| 03:44.16 | jsolis | thanks |
| 03:44.21 | Gnea | good luck |
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| 03:44.42 | jsolis | thanks i need it |
| 03:44.55 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 03:44.55 | michal_ | abrotman: i did. so far they sem baffled. thought it was a config conflict but apparently it's just debian doing something unusual to build it's config file. still no idea what the problem is :/ |
| 03:45.22 | abrotman | michal_: it's an XML file isn't it ? |
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| 03:45.36 | Azar | :) |
| 03:45.40 | Gnea | i love buying hardware that specifically states that it's supported by Linux on the front of the box. |
| 03:45.52 | michal_ | abrotman: looks like it |
| 03:45.55 | abrotman | Gnea: porn will run on any OS! |
| 03:46.10 | Gnea | abrotman: so will memory cards ;) |
| 03:46.14 | Guerin | Gnea: what I love more is going into a computer shop with damnsmallinus and firing up one of their machines to test the thing |
| 03:46.21 | Azar | Gnea, I am sold to TigerDirect, the most linux friendly hardware vendor |
| 03:46.26 | fiXXXerMet | What group does apache2 run as when from apt-get? |
| 03:46.28 | Guerin | Gnea: doing that in korea is more fun than you might expect :) |
| 03:46.28 | kevix | Gnea: try actaully calling the company and see what you get when you ask for help! |
| 03:46.34 | Gnea | Azar: Fry's Electronics |
| 03:46.35 | abrotman | michal_: then i'm confused .. i mean . it shouldn't really be a mystery unless it was built with bad options .. you can downloda the source package and lookin the debian/rules file |
| 03:47.07 | Guerin | my mum bought a multifunction printer/scanner/fax yesterday, and I had to help set it up |
| 03:47.19 | Guerin | bear in mind she's 12,000km away and on 56k |
| 03:47.22 | michal_ | abrotman: the problem is i can't undertsand the error |
| 03:47.31 | Guerin | and you know what ... it works perfectly |
| 03:47.36 | Guerin | like magic |
| 03:47.39 | Gnea | what's weird, is that the people that work at Fry's here are much more knowledgable and actually have a clue, as opposed to those in the bay area |
| 03:47.41 | abrotman | and the people in #tomcat don't understand it either ? |
| 03:47.44 | Guerin | and the drivers are gpl, too from Brother |
| 03:47.44 | dvs | !beer Guerin |
| 03:47.58 | abrotman | Gnea: duh .. they're MCSEs |
| 03:48.02 | Guerin | the only problem is I'm too stupid to get xsane to work as anything other than root |
| 03:48.16 | kevix | Guerin: did you provide phone support? |
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| 03:48.30 | Guerin | kevix: i more or less did it over ssh and ssh -X |
| 03:48.32 | Gnea | abrotman: i can ask any employee where something specific is. if they don't know, they tell me where i can find someone that does know. |
| 03:48.33 | michal_ | abrotman: http://210.11.32.100:8180/esmart/ |
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| 03:49.02 | abrotman | Gnea: you ask for help ? |
| 03:49.05 | Gnea | eventually, someone who has a clue can be found there |
| 03:49.07 | Gnea | abrotman: sometimeis |
| 03:49.10 | Gnea | -i |
| 03:49.21 | kevix | Guerin: what? she hooked it up(like the cable) and then you sshed in and set up cups and such? |
| 03:49.28 | abrotman | michal_: what java are you using? |
| 03:49.29 | Guerin | kevix: yeh |
| 03:49.38 | Gnea | abrotman: i like to see what level they're at :) |
| 03:49.42 | michal_ | abrotman: : 1.5 sun |
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| 03:49.54 | abrotman | Gnea: the best was the day the guy at best buy told me that the computer used a mini-AT (not ATX) power supply .. and this was like two years ago |
| 03:50.31 | Gnea | abrotman: you mean the best person with a clue or the best cluebie? |
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| 03:50.49 | njaard | how do you set the hold flag on a package? |
| 03:50.51 | michal_ | abrotman: build 1.5.0_04-b05 specifically |
| 03:50.59 | abrotman | Gnea: the guy in the computer department |
| 03:51.00 | Gnea | !hold |
| 03:51.01 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 03:51.05 | shogunx | abrotman if you worked in a best buy, wouldn't you want to tell people things like that for kicks after showing 24000 laptops while people nod at you? |
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| 03:51.15 | kevix | njaard: which software? dpkg, dselect, aptittude? |
| 03:51.16 | njaard | Thanks Gnea |
| 03:51.24 | Gnea | njaard: you're welcome |
| 03:51.25 | njaard | kevix: any, in that order of preference |
| 03:51.33 | abrotman | shogunx: i'd tell them to buy a TV .. they'll get more use out of it :) |
| 03:51.40 | njaard | Gnea: this is the first time I've ever actually gotten help in this channel :| |
| 03:51.56 | kevix | njaard: I use aptitude, you just find the package and then hit '=' |
| 03:52.07 | Gnea | njaard: it helps to word your question right :) |
| 03:52.11 | abrotman | michal_: wtf is hivemind ? |
| 03:52.31 | curt | * dpkg has quit (Excess Flood) |
| 03:52.33 | Gnea | hivemind? sounds scary... |
| 03:52.37 | njaard | kevix: that's not documented in pretty much anywhere :( |
| 03:52.39 | curt | i get help here all the time |
| 03:52.50 | curt | and it is always much appreciated |
| 03:52.50 | adub | can someone please help me get the patch drivers for orinoco classic gold working |
| 03:52.54 | michal_ | abrotman: google says http://jakarta.apache.org/hivemind/ |
| 03:52.57 | adub | i am erroring on a make command |
| 03:52.58 | Gnea | !beer curt |
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| 03:53.02 | abrotman | michal_: just making sure |
| 03:53.05 | kevix | njaard: just press '?' for help screen |
| 03:53.06 | curt | hehe |
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| 03:53.13 | njaard | kevix: well, like man dpkg |
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| 03:53.28 | adub | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8725 <-------- im getting that make error trying to patch the orinoco classic gold drivers |
| 03:53.54 | kevix | adub: I have a silver, why do I need a patch? |
| 03:53.57 | abrotman | while running ubuntu ? |
| 03:54.00 | NGo | how do I install openoffice? |
| 03:54.00 | curt | njaard, I do /msg dpkg then when a topic comes up here I ask him... comes in handy later on |
| 03:54.11 | romeo | is it possible to have more than one version os a library installed and running at the same time, say for two or more applications that need different versions of the same library? |
| 03:54.21 | Gnea | NGo: apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 03:54.30 | adub | kevix you might not need a patch but i believe i do kismet keeps telling me when i try to start it monitor mode isnt working |
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| 03:54.43 | kevix | NGo: use apt-cache search openoffice to find it |
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| 03:55.00 | abrotman | michal_: i'm pretty stumped .. maybe try #tomcat in a few hours ? |
| 03:55.01 | Azar | Gnea, why openoffice.org comes with no documentation/help files? |
| 03:55.11 | kevix | adub: ok. monitor mode. dont use it. that may be what the patch is for. |
| 03:55.13 | Gnea | Azar: see what kevix said |
| 03:55.14 | njaard | also software resume : |
| 03:55.15 | njaard | :) |
| 03:55.32 | Gnea | njaard: nice |
| 03:55.33 | adub | kevix yes monitor mode = ) |
| 03:55.49 | michal_ | abrotman: the most bafling thing is that if i set tomcat security to no it works but if i set esmart and all it's subdirs to permission java.security.AllPermission; it doesn't (ie the error you saw) |
| 03:55.53 | njaard | I even have a little shell script magic that binds my "suspend" button to a dialog box that acts for confirmation |
| 03:55.58 | Azar | Gnea about apt-cache? |
| 03:55.58 | kevix | adub: netstumbler and kismet... |
| 03:56.13 | Gnea | Azar: yeah |
| 03:56.22 | \amethyst | michal_: where's the error? |
| 03:56.24 | Azar | :) thanks kevix, Gnea |
| 03:56.29 | adub | kismet |
| 03:56.42 | adub | kevix didnt know netstumber was available for linux |
| 03:56.44 | cheal | is there a method to determine who sponsored an upload not made by a DD? |
| 03:56.54 | michal_ | \amethyst: http://210.11.32.100:8180/esmart/ |
| 03:57.01 | abrotman | cheal: check the readme or the changelog ? |
| 03:57.03 | dondelelcaro | cheal: whoever signed the .dsc and changes file is the person who made the upload. |
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| 03:57.11 | dondelelcaro | cheal: non-DDs cannot upload. |
| 03:57.30 | kevix | adub: I just rememeber the local group mentioning it. check out nycwireless.net site |
| 03:57.46 | \amethyst | michal_: hmm... do you have hivemind somewhere it can find it |
| 03:57.47 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 03:58.13 | abrotman | michal_: i could tell you what i really think about java :) |
| 03:58.26 | \amethyst | michal_: maybe there's another jar that provides ServiceImplementationFactory? |
| 03:58.27 | curt | pray tell |
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| 03:58.48 | yrw | hi, i'm a newbibe on linux,,,, i get a err, oot@box:~# apt-get install ymessenger_1.0.4_i_i386.deb |
| 03:58.48 | yrw | Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 03:58.48 | yrw | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 03:58.48 | yrw | E: Error occured while processing python2.4-gnome2-extras (NewVersion1) |
| 03:58.48 | yrw | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages |
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| 03:58.51 | njaard | oh, and it may be worth noting that debian unstable will currently install a broken kernel (unless you switch to yaird |
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| 03:59.12 | abrotman | !tell yrw about mmap |
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| 03:59.13 | michal_ | \amethyst: it's in /var/lib/tomcat5/webapps/esmart/WEB-INF/ |
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| 03:59.14 | insaneinside | njaard: a real nerd compiles his own kernel. |
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| 03:59.15 | \amethyst | Java is what happens when C programmers perform brain surgery on Smalltalk---you get a lobotomy |
| 03:59.24 | cheal | dondelelcaro: arg, OK |
| 03:59.24 | kevix | dondelelcaro: where is the maintainer of a sponcered upload mentioned? |
| 03:59.36 | \amethyst | ObjC, OTOH, is what you get when Smalltalk programmers perform brain surgery on C |
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| 03:59.43 | njaard | insaneinside: 1) you don't need to compile your own kernel for it to be broken 2) I am a real nerd 3) I compiled my own kernel |
| 03:59.46 | michal_ | \amethyst: but why would turning security off in tomcat globally resolve the problem? |
| 03:59.59 | njaard | (3 is because I have swsusp!) |
| 04:00.02 | \amethyst | michal_: are you getting more detailed errors in the logs? |
| 04:00.07 | njaard | on a (shock!) totally pristine kernel |
| 04:00.36 | michal_ | \amethyst: well i guess so. just as baffling to me though.. do you have anywhere i could paste the verbose output? |
| 04:00.38 | \amethyst | michal_: you might have to grant privileges to some of the shared libraries as well as the webapp |
| 04:00.41 | cheal | abrotman: I don't think the changelog says, I should try the README |
| 04:00.58 | insaneinside | njaard: ok. :) |
| 04:00.59 | abrotman | cheal: don told you how |
| 04:01.09 | \amethyst | michal_: Not sure how much I could help... tomcat security policies always baffle me |
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| 04:01.15 | michal_ | \amethyst: i considered that but i cannot see which ones.. at least my understanding of the errors is not clear enough for me to see |
| 04:01.21 | Serialkiller | anyone good with php sessions? |
| 04:01.28 | cheal | abrotman: I still have to figure out how to know who signed the .dsc :) |
| 04:01.31 | kevix | cheal: what package did you want to knwo about? I read debian-devel-changes. |
| 04:01.39 | yrw | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 04:01.42 | njaard | ok, thanks to those who helped |
| 04:01.47 | abrotman | cheal: you read the file |
| 04:01.50 | cheal | kevix: conky, but I don't think that will help you |
| 04:01.53 | michal_ | \amethyst: well even if you could identify the codebase causing the problem i could try giving it global permissions |
| 04:01.58 | njaard | yrw: do you run a 16 bit processor? |
| 04:02.00 | cheal | abrotman: the .dsc? |
| 04:02.12 | njaard | </unhelpful> |
| 04:02.14 | yrw | no' i don't so |
| 04:02.16 | \amethyst | can you put the log up as a textfile on your server? |
| 04:02.23 | abrotman | cheal: yes |
| 04:02.26 | kevix | cheal: would the buildd maintainer do that? |
| 04:02.37 | njaard | yrw: I'm kidding. I don't know what's going on |
| 04:02.38 | \amethyst | michal_: can you put the log up as a textfile on your server? |
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| 04:02.41 | abrotman | cheal: of coures .. it could be a sponsored upload i suppose .. but whatever |
| 04:02.46 | cheal | abrotman: I don't see the name of who signed |
| 04:02.49 | michal_ | \amethyst: let's see.. |
| 04:02.51 | yrw | hoooo , jajajajaja |
| 04:02.51 | abrotman | cheal: what package? |
| 04:02.58 | abrotman | !tell yrw about mmap |
| 04:03.07 | cheal | abrotman: I'm specifically talking about sponsored uploads. conky |
| 04:03.10 | kevix | abrotman: he said 'conky' |
| 04:03.20 | abrotman | hey .. cut me some slack . it's late here! |
| 04:03.22 | yrw | Error occured while processing python2.4-gnome2-extras (NewVersion1) |
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| 04:03.29 | cheal | kevix: sorry, do what? |
| 04:03.31 | yrw | Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 04:03.37 | SimonRaven | i'm blanking on something; what's the thing that starts with x and ends in r that you can do when you query a nameserver to see all the sub-domains for a particular domain? |
| 04:03.41 | abrotman | cheal: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/conky/conky_1.3.1-1.1.dsc |
| 04:03.41 | yrw | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 04:04.01 | SimonRaven | xf*r or something |
| 04:04.08 | cheal | abrotman: yeah...who do you think made the GPG signature? |
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| 04:04.26 | abrotman | cheal: the person with gnupg installed? :) |
| 04:05.33 | SimonRaven | ok got it, axfr |
| 04:05.33 | abrotman | hehhe |
| 04:05.33 | NGo | bittorrent movies' have virus sometimes? |
| 04:05.34 | yrw | brb |
| 04:05.34 | cheal | damn you abrotman |
| 04:05.34 | curt | ooo |
| 04:05.34 | zinx | NGo: yes |
| 04:05.34 | michal_ | \amethyst: http://210.11.32.100/tomcat5.log |
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| 04:05.34 | SimonRaven | fuck, i even remembered wrong. oh well :) |
| 04:05.35 | zinx | NGo: dont download them or the gibson will hack you |
| 04:05.35 | abrotman | cheal: ? |
| 04:05.35 | cheal | abrotman: you deserve using GNOME |
| 04:05.35 | Azar | NGo most likely |
| 04:05.51 | abrotman | cheal: at least it runs .. unlike KDE's crawl :) |
| 04:06.12 | curt | i tried KDE once... |
| 04:06.35 | cheal | well, downgrading |
| 04:06.39 | cheal | "solving" :) |
| 04:06.50 | cheal | curt: did you survive? |
| 04:06.57 | \amethyst | michal_: class org.springframework.web.util.WebUtils needs at least PropertyPermission |
| 04:07.00 | curt | not for long |
| 04:07.13 | michal_ | \amethyst: wrong error.. i just fubared the policy file moments ago :. |
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| 04:07.49 | \amethyst | michal_: which error am I looking for? |
| 04:07.59 | stew | ugh |
| 04:08.16 | abrotman | stew: you go riding today? |
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| 04:08.24 | stew | abrotman: i wish |
| 04:08.28 | abrotman | stew: me too! |
| 04:08.38 | stew | abrotman: billed 13 hours |
| 04:08.45 | abrotman | stew: yay rent! |
| 04:08.45 | SimonRaven | riding what? |
| 04:08.51 | stew | abrotman: and just lost a drive on one of the raid arrays |
| 04:08.56 | michal_ | \amethyst: reload that log now |
| 04:08.56 | abrotman | SimonRaven: three hookers and a horse! |
| 04:09.02 | SimonRaven | that sucks |
| 04:09.05 | SimonRaven | abrotman: hehe |
| 04:09.06 | stew | abrotman: which means i get to get ripped off to replace it tomorrow |
| 04:09.25 | Agrajag- | i can't remember, or find in the crontab man page to say if cron forks when executing commands. should a command that is going to take a while be backgrounded (with a &)? does the output of that still get mailed? |
| 04:09.33 | \amethyst | michal_: looks like a problem with hivemind, is all I can tell |
| 04:09.39 | SimonRaven | abrotman: seriously though, riding what? |
| 04:09.43 | \amethyst | michal_: I would check their mailing lists |
| 04:09.52 | abrotman | SimonRaven: bike |
| 04:10.14 | abrotman | SimonRaven: stew bikes around most days .. as much as i wish i could .. he does :) |
| 04:10.25 | SimonRaven | pedal or motor (i'll assume the latter) |
| 04:10.28 | \amethyst | michal_: it may be that you need two jars, one for the interfaces and one for the implementation |
| 04:10.31 | stew | SimonRaven: pedal |
| 04:10.37 | abrotman | SimonRaven: pedal |
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| 04:10.40 | SimonRaven | oh cool :) |
| 04:10.46 | SimonRaven | \o/ |
| 04:11.00 | \amethyst | michal_: but I don't know anything about hivemind, so I can't figure out what |
| 04:11.03 | \amethyst | 's going wrong |
| 04:11.06 | abrotman | i've been very lazy this winter .. spring is gonna be hard |
| 04:11.30 | stew | i need to find some time to do break maintenance |
| 04:11.31 | SimonRaven | stew: and where are you at in the world? (curious if you have the gonads to go winter biking ;) |
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| 04:11.42 | abrotman | stew: brake ? |
| 04:12.21 | stew | SimonRaven: Brooklyn,NY |
| 04:12.25 | SimonRaven | winter is horrible on brakes. i hear koolstops are very good for that |
| 04:12.28 | stew | abrotman: yeah that |
| 04:12.31 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 04:12.32 | abrotman | stew: better than brookline :) |
| 04:12.49 | elnovato | what is a good dvd burner? |
| 04:12.53 | SimonRaven | (v-brake pads) |
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| 04:13.39 | elnovato | correction: what is a good dvd burner? (gnome) |
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| 04:14.04 | curt | elnovato, I never really look at it as good/bad they are all made in the same china/taiwan factory |
| 04:14.30 | elnovato | new correction: what is a decent dvd burner program for gnome? |
| 04:14.32 | elnovato | :P |
| 04:14.37 | abrotman | gnomebaker? |
| 04:14.38 | curt | one is probably as good/bad as another |
| 04:14.42 | abrotman | nautilus ? |
| 04:14.44 | elnovato | ty abrotman |
| 04:15.02 | curt | hehe |
| 04:15.27 | kevix | stew: how did you fare with the snow? |
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| 04:15.37 | michal_ | \amethyst: hmm.. well there's hivemind-1.1.jar and hivemind-lib-1.1.jar |
| 04:16.13 | michal_ | \amethyst: and they're both in /var/lib/tomcat5/webapps/esmart/WEB-INF/lib/ |
| 04:16.16 | stew | kevix: depends on what you mean. i did some really nice x-country skiing through the city, we got about 20" total |
| 04:16.19 | SimonRaven | kevix: you plow through it :) |
| 04:16.23 | stew | kevix: oh you are in nyc too right? |
| 04:16.47 | kevix | stew: indeed. |
| 04:17.04 | SimonRaven | it's been really warm today. ice + water all over the place, fucking riding on watered ice in some places. |
| 04:17.37 | SimonRaven | +4C currently |
| 04:17.43 | stew | kevix: i didn't leave the house yet today but i heard it was nice and warm out |
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| 04:18.00 | dli | kernel panic: VFS:Unable to mount root fs , I have root=/dev/sda2 on USB-hdd |
| 04:18.19 | kevix | SimonRaven: yea. the snow subsided and the snow melted in most spots. |
| 04:18.31 | SimonRaven | missing initrd i bet |
| 04:18.56 | SimonRaven | was awful; though ok for the 'homeless marathon' |
| 04:19.16 | kevix | SimonRaven: Is the initrd problems, folks not redoing it after kernel upgrade? |
| 04:20.24 | SimonRaven | or not including it, or not making an initrd kernel when it was configured that way, and no initrd was built |
| 04:21.25 | kevix | cheal: did you mean jason tan? |
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| 04:21.39 | parte | Hi |
| 04:21.44 | cheal | kevix: he's the maintainer, I want to know who's the sponsor |
| 04:21.54 | odla | SimonRaven: i thought you're in AB? |
| 04:22.07 | SimonRaven | no, i'm from there though |
| 04:22.13 | odla | oh |
| 04:22.30 | odla | cause it's friggin' cold out right now |
| 04:22.34 | parte | if i do "make" i get this errors -> http://pastebin.com/557159 what they could mean? Thank You! |
| 04:22.38 | SimonRaven | moose lake/bonnyville area. not too far from you |
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| 04:23.27 | odla | gonna be -40C with windchill tomorrow morning...nice day for a bike ride |
| 04:23.28 | kevix | odla: is that like alberta? |
| 04:23.35 | odla | kevix: yup |
| 04:23.38 | michal_ | anyone have any idea why tomcat5 takes a millenium of sundays to start if I add the option CATALINA_OPTS="-Djava.security.debug=all" ? |
| 04:23.45 | Guerin | parte: they mean 'ask #colinux' |
| 04:23.48 | SimonRaven | oh my, that brings back memories |
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| 04:23.57 | kevix | odla: the great white north! |
| 04:24.01 | SimonRaven | kevix: yes, AB is alberta |
| 04:24.02 | Guerin | michal_: #topcat, ffs |
| 04:24.10 | Guerin | #toMcat |
| 04:24.14 | odla | kevix: definitely not white though |
| 04:24.16 | BR_WARRIOR | I am using two int variables copied with atoi from argv[1] and argv[2]. How can I test if everething is OK, if the variables haven't invalid data? |
| 04:24.30 | kevix | odla: have you seen SCTV? |
| 04:24.35 | \amethyst | BR_WARRIOR: man strtol |
| 04:24.37 | odla | no |
| 04:24.41 | BR_WARRIOR | I want not a segmentation fault.. |
| 04:24.44 | SimonRaven | BR_WARRIOR: be better if you ask in #c |
| 04:24.46 | SimonRaven | or that |
| 04:24.52 | BR_WARRIOR | ok |
| 04:25.19 | SimonRaven | i've seen re-runs of sctv, but not many. i vaguely remember my mom watching it |
| 04:26.18 | adub | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8725 <-------- im getting that make error trying to patch the orinoco classic gold drivers |
| 04:26.55 | SimonRaven | is that like 'chicago'? :P |
| 04:27.08 | kevix | how does one like listen to a continent? |
| 04:27.21 | SimonRaven | alberta isn't a continent |
| 04:27.37 | Guerin | SimonRaven: a dong by Bobby D |
| 04:27.40 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:27.43 | Guerin | a song, even |
| 04:27.46 | kevix | SimonRaven: ok. a providence? |
| 04:27.46 | gravity | hahahaha |
| 04:27.51 | SimonRaven | i oh ok |
| 04:27.51 | gravity | That was a great typo |
| 04:27.53 | Guerin | *dong* |
| 04:27.58 | SimonRaven | little or big dong? :P |
| 04:28.13 | odla | adub: are you running ubuntu? |
| 04:28.19 | Guerin | SimonRaven: rumour has it that bobby d was not overendowed in the dong department |
| 04:28.25 | Guerin | unlike, say, jimi h |
| 04:28.40 | Guerin | i say 'was', but I suppose it's still true |
| 04:28.44 | SimonRaven | jimi was also a leftie \o/ |
| 04:28.47 | adub | odla yes but no one there is answering |
| 04:29.16 | adub | i mean odla this is a build issue so i dont think it is based on flavor of linux |
| 04:29.23 | parte | can i get mysql with apt-get install mysql ? |
| 04:29.28 | kevix | adub: check out nycwireless.net site |
| 04:29.33 | SimonRaven | kevix: 'province' |
| 04:29.36 | Guerin | SimonRaven: there's a documentary on this very subject, and I have seen it. A woman went around taking plaster casts of famous peoples' cocks. And it's true what they say about Jimi. |
| 04:29.49 | gravity | I heard about that |
| 04:29.49 | kevix | SimonRaven: ok. I dont speak canadian xx-) |
| 04:29.52 | odla | adub: it's an orinoco gold pc card? |
| 04:29.57 | Azar | adub that is very sad when #ubuntu are not helping their own |
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| 04:30.07 | SimonRaven | yeh, i remember seeing something like that |
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| 04:30.41 | kevix | Guerin: yea. heard about it too. |
| 04:30.42 | parte | hey please give me a package there i can get mysql with aptget |
| 04:30.43 | adub | pcmcia yes |
| 04:31.04 | kevix | parte: 'apt-cache search mysql' will help! |
| 04:31.08 | odla | adub: strange cause my orinoco gold pcmcia card is recognized automatically be debian |
| 04:31.10 | adub | it is an orinoco gold classic card |
| 04:31.17 | odla | oh classic |
| 04:31.20 | SimonRaven | kevix: has nothing to do with 'speaking canadian'. has to do with speaking english. china has provinces too |
| 04:31.23 | adub | i mean im trying to get monitor mode working is the goal |
| 04:31.31 | SimonRaven | (as an example) |
| 04:31.44 | kevix | SimonRaven: thus.. the x-) |
| 04:31.56 | odla | SimonRaven: we all know Canada has states like Mexico ;) |
| 04:32.00 | Azar | province of a country is like a subfolder of a folder |
| 04:32.16 | SimonRaven | i see. a bit hard to decipher that 'x-)' |
| 04:32.23 | litage | is there an openoffice help package? i can't find it in apt |
| 04:32.28 | parte | kevix |
| 04:32.31 | parte | could i use mysql-server - mysql database server binaries |
| 04:32.32 | Azar | litage in apt-cache |
| 04:32.50 | adub | im trying to get the orinoco patch drivers to work properlly |
| 04:32.53 | SimonRaven | parte: you have our permission |
| 04:32.55 | Azar | litage: apt-cache search I ment |
| 04:33.02 | kevix | parte: ok. for more info: apt-cache show mysql-server |
| 04:33.04 | adub | to get monitor mode workign the patch drivers patch but wont build |
| 04:33.22 | parte | ok ill trust u guys |
| 04:33.30 | shogunx | SimonRaven I would say he has to clean his room first. |
| 04:33.46 | curt | !tell parte about mysql |
| 04:33.55 | SimonRaven | good point :P |
| 04:35.15 | odla | Guerin: what's the copters part stand for? |
| 04:35.43 | Guerin | odla: i think it comes from an ascii video game |
| 04:35.44 | shogunx | olda i would assume the flailing limbs is helicopter-like |
| 04:36.14 | Guerin | and if you say rofl, it can sort of sound like a helicopter coming across the jungle canopy |
| 04:36.41 | litage | Azar: ``apt-cache search openoffice | grep help'' returned nothing |
| 04:36.42 | kevix | Guerin: ohhhhhhh. I think it was Defender? |
| 04:36.42 | shogunx | if you say it enough time in fast sucession, i imagine it does. |
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| 04:37.57 | odla | what's mandu? |
| 04:38.04 | odla | is that like fondu? |
| 04:38.22 | odla | !mandu |
| 04:38.29 | Guerin | odla: korean dumplings |
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| 04:38.43 | odla | i see |
| 04:38.51 | stew | i made some yummy fondue last night |
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| 04:39.06 | elnovato | !tell me about fondue |
| 04:39.15 | SimonRaven | yay roflcopters. sorry i was lagged |
| 04:39.16 | elnovato | bah, gimpie bot |
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| 04:39.41 | gravity | heh, roflcopter |
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| 04:39.52 | SimonRaven | roffle |
| 04:40.07 | odla | ah mandu soup |
| 04:40.28 | kevix | odla: it seems mandu are similar to 'pot stickers' |
| 04:40.38 | odla | yeah pretty similar |
| 04:40.48 | odla | they look gross in soup |
| 04:40.49 | ultravio1et16 | hi everyone, i installed the headers for my kernel and thought i had gotten the wrong one. I removed it from /usr/src and tried to apt-get install it again but to no luck, how can I tell apt-get to force install? |
| 04:41.13 | SimonRaven | how you can tell a certain computer needs more ram: when a sid upgrade of a few packages makes the whole thing slow down to a crawl |
| 04:41.15 | cheal | dondelelcaro: thanks, I found the sponsor. I guess there could be a more user-friendly way...but one has to learn GPG one day or another :) |
| 04:41.15 | shogunx | ultravio1et16 apt-get remove it first |
| 04:41.35 | ultravio1et16 | shogunx: ah, ok thanks a lot.. |
| 04:41.45 | kevix | cheal: who was it? |
| 04:41.57 | cheal | kevix: vorlon |
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| 04:42.04 | kevix | cheal: I saw that. |
| 04:42.24 | cheal | kevix: so you wanted to test me? :) |
| 04:42.29 | gravity | vorlon has time to sponsor things? |
| 04:42.33 | gravity | Geez, he puts the rest of us to shame |
| 04:42.38 | SimonRaven | amazing |
| 04:42.55 | cheal | gravity: don't you mean he puts *you* to shame? |
| 04:42.56 | ultravio1et16 | damn, well now i'm getting the same error i was getting before.. i am trying to make install ndiswrapper and I'm getting this problem.. |
| 04:42.59 | kevix | cheal: I didn't know if he just made the entry or he actually was the sponsor. |
| 04:43.00 | ultravio1et16 | Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-1-686' |
| 04:43.00 | Guerin | he just has an army of monkeys who know his GPG key |
| 04:43.01 | gravity | cheal: That too |
| 04:43.02 | ultravio1et16 | make[2]: Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 04:43.13 | SimonRaven | that guy organises his time really well |
| 04:43.20 | cheal | gravity: but seriously, I'm surprised too :) |
| 04:43.22 | ultravio1et16 | but the file Makefile is there.. |
| 04:43.44 | cheal | kevix: which entry? |
| 04:43.47 | Guerin | !wayttd ultravio1et16 |
| 04:43.47 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ultravio1et16? |
| 04:43.57 | Azar | hehe MySQL refused Oracle bid |
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| 04:44.15 | mebaran151 | dhclient will not dhcp with my nforce ethernet card |
| 04:44.19 | cheal | someone suggested vorlon for DPL. I'm pretty sure he would win |
| 04:44.19 | mebaran151 | I'm unsure why |
| 04:44.25 | mebaran151 | during the netinstall |
| 04:44.28 | cheal | but I don't want him dead neither |
| 04:44.32 | elnovato | !tell me if mysql 5.0 comes with etch |
| 04:44.32 | mebaran151 | it refuses to work |
| 04:44.37 | ultravio1et16 | Guerin: i'm trying to install ndiswrapper from source.. |
| 04:44.37 | cheal | I prefer him as RM |
| 04:44.44 | mebaran151 | forcedeth is loaded and eth0 is made |
| 04:44.54 | SimonRaven | holy, it's gonna get cold again. 0/-19 fri, then it gets colder from there |
| 04:44.59 | ultravio1et16 | Guerin: so firstly i am trying to run make.. |
| 04:45.04 | kevix | cheal: it said he did an NMU? |
| 04:45.10 | odla | elnovato: use /msg not ! to talk to dpkg |
| 04:45.12 | mebaran151 | but the ethernet always fails to dhcp |
| 04:45.17 | SimonRaven | Azar: they bought sleepycat ... |
| 04:45.39 | ultravio1et16 | but i'm getting this error.. make[2]: Makefile: No such file or directory |
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| 04:46.02 | Azar | SimonRaven: yep bit by bit OS gets sold.. |
| 04:46.22 | kevix | cheal: I read it packages.qa.debian.org |
| 04:46.50 | elnovato | mysql-server-5.0 - mysql database server binaries <<< is that the final version? |
| 04:46.57 | elnovato | etch |
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| 04:47.50 | kevix | Azar: did you read the Gentoo guy quit microsoft... |
| 04:47.53 | shogunx | whats the issue with packages.debian.org... do we need some hardware? |
| 04:48.06 | Azar | kevix, hehe yes, I was having some fun |
| 04:48.17 | elnovato | kevix url? |
| 04:48.26 | SimonRaven | chealer9: sucky isp? |
| 04:48.33 | kevix | elnovato: I'll have to check... |
| 04:48.49 | chealer9 | SimonRaven: VIF. 30 CAD + taxes per month |
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| 04:49.16 | kevix | elnovato: just google 'daniel robbins quits' |
| 04:49.48 | shogunx | kevix the question is did he get any decent recon while there;) |
| 04:49.50 | SimonRaven | *nods* i pay a bit more, not including the ip block. 35 + taxes |
| 04:49.57 | elnovato | ok lemme tery |
| 04:49.59 | elnovato | try |
| 04:50.05 | kevix | shogunx: I'm sure he did... |
| 04:50.08 | SimonRaven | shogunx: ha! :) |
| 04:50.22 | Azar | elnovato: http://www.builderau.com.au/program/work/soa/Gentoo_Linux_founder_quits_Microsoft/0,39024650,39234261,00.htm?feed=rss |
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| 04:51.38 | elnovato | oh i c, lemme enjoy now... thanks |
| 04:51.55 | DarkPurpose | what would be there decent to recon in the first place?? |
| 04:52.15 | elnovato | he was there 1 year at ms, or less? |
| 04:52.22 | Azar | 8 mo |
| 04:52.33 | chealer9 | SimonRaven: I pay a bit too cheap for something reliable (although I think it's too expensive :) ), but the problems I'm currently getting are actually the same for all DSL providers. I'm ~4.5 km from the concentrators. |
| 04:52.45 | shogunx | DarkPurpose ever seen the map of the city under disney in orlando? |
| 04:52.56 | DarkPurpose | nope |
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| 04:53.18 | SimonRaven | aah, that would explain some of it |
| 04:53.33 | shogunx | DarkPurpose its extensive. the wiring behind the board, so to speak. |
| 04:53.43 | stew | shogunx: i've taken the tour, its neat stuff |
| 04:53.55 | DarkPurpose | hmmmmmm. sounds interesting |
| 04:55.02 | elnovato | Daniel Robbins has quit his job, complaining that he was unable to work at his 'full level of technical ability' <<<< who has ever 100% of technical abilities, i have 5% |
| 04:56.38 | mebaran151 | anyone here know about DHCP? |
| 04:56.41 | keherman | is there a way to use sed to find the inverse? |
| 04:56.50 | DarkPurpose | elnovato: of that 5% you would be allowed to use 2% at ms |
| 04:56.52 | jtacy | mebaran151: what about it |
| 04:57.09 | mebaran151 | what might make each of its packets timeout |
| 04:57.24 | keherman | ie input = "other stuff, good stuff, other stuff" output = "good stuff" |
| 04:57.43 | mebaran151 | my nforce ethernet integrated adapter will not work wtih DHCP |
| 04:57.48 | mebaran151 | for some odd reason |
| 04:57.55 | jtacy | mebaran151: it works static but not dhcp? |
| 04:57.58 | elnovato | DarkPurpose: yeh, but even, in linux community, they work with what? 10% ? big budgets? |
| 04:58.02 | mebaran151 | static is hard to test |
| 04:58.07 | mebaran151 | I would tentatively say yes |
| 04:58.12 | mebaran151 | but I only have a cable modem |
| 04:58.18 | mebaran151 | and that cable modem only works with dhcp |
| 04:58.41 | shogunx | mebaran151 are there other machines connected to the cable modem? |
| 04:58.45 | Guerin | mmm, mandu |
| 04:58.48 | mebaran151 | shogunx, nope |
| 04:58.53 | mebaran151 | it's directly connected |
| 04:58.57 | mebaran151 | and it dhcp's in windows |
| 04:59.10 | mebaran151 | but I use Debian for development |
| 04:59.11 | keherman | i like something this --> sed 'invert/good stuff//g' |
| 04:59.20 | Azar | yay! I am so sorry I didn't buy a Sony TV! the 2005 models never turn off! |
| 04:59.42 | keherman | so instead of replacing the string "good stuff", i only get that string back |
| 04:59.46 | keherman | any way? |
| 04:59.50 | shogunx | mebaran151 do you reset the cable modem when you reboot into debian? |
| 04:59.51 | Guerin | mebaran151: get a real nic |
| 04:59.57 | mebaran151 | Guerin, why |
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| 05:00.04 | Azar | nikometer him |
| 05:00.12 | Guerin | mebaran151: because your shitty onboard nic isn't working properly |
| 05:00.26 | Guerin | and yes |
| 05:00.31 | Guerin | nfarce *is* shit |
| 05:00.37 | Mortalman | Anyone know of a mail server HOWTO geared towards debian? |
| 05:00.51 | Guerin | !postfix howto |
| 05:00.51 | dpkg | methinks postfix howto is see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/ |
| 05:00.51 | shogunx | Mortalman eximconfig? |
| 05:00.56 | elnovato | i was wondering, but its posible than debian supports HDTV tv's ? |
| 05:00.58 | DarkPurpose | why won't my debian/kde box play midi's? sb pci128 works with everything else |
| 05:01.02 | mebaran151 | Guerin, eh could I try to get this to work |
| 05:01.06 | mebaran151 | it's a little shuttle |
| 05:01.07 | jtacy | Guerin: lol...nice |
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| 05:01.13 | mebaran151 | I don't really have a spare pci |
| 05:01.28 | mebaran151 | tthat's all my desk can afford |
| 05:01.28 | Mortalman | shogunx: eximconfig is a howto? |
| 05:01.35 | Guerin | mebaran151: well, you can try setting a static ip which is the same as the one dhcp gives you on windows |
| 05:01.42 | shogunx | no, its a mailserver config utility. |
| 05:01.57 | Guerin | mebaran151: but you'd run into trouble if someone else ever got given that ip |
| 05:02.10 | Mortalman | shogunx: Don't really see how that applies to my question. |
| 05:02.10 | mebaran151 | I figured such |
| 05:02.24 | mebaran151 | Guerin, why can't I just try to fix dhcp |
| 05:02.37 | Guerin | mebaran151: because I doyubt dhcp is broken. |
| 05:02.55 | Guerin | mebaran151: i think this is a pretty common issue with nfarce nics |
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| 05:03.01 | mebaran151 | Guerin, oh it is? |
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| 05:03.17 | mebaran151 | I never accused dhcp of anything |
| 05:03.20 | foo | Hmm, I've got a digital camera. Is there anyway to use it as a security camera or something for my room, and maybe have it execute some kind of script if the image changes? |
| 05:03.23 | mebaran151 | I'd just like to fix my nforce nic |
| 05:03.34 | Azar | Mortalman: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 05:03.35 | mebaran151 | could be their silly hardware firewall |
| 05:03.53 | Guerin | mebaran151: if it won't even get an ip, then it won't be the firewall |
| 05:03.55 | jtacy | mebaran151: unfortunately you really need to see if you can get any network connectivity on that |
| 05:04.13 | mebaran151 | jtacy, how might I do that |
| 05:04.18 | Guerin | foo: google around, plenty of people have implemented things like this |
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| 05:04.32 | foo | Guerin: ah, nice. t hanks |
| 05:04.47 | Guerin | foo: someone even did one with a motion-sensor gun |
| 05:05.05 | foo | Guerin: Nice |
| 05:05.08 | jtacy | mebaran151: best way would be to hook up another machine to your switch and see if you can communicate between them...but I think the next words you are going to say will be something about not having another machine |
| 05:05.19 | Guerin | fuck that |
| 05:05.26 | mebaran151 | jtacy, actually |
| 05:05.28 | Guerin | just bring the interface up with a static ip |
| 05:05.30 | mebaran151 | I've got a laptop |
| 05:05.48 | mebaran151 | that I could use |
| 05:05.54 | delire | foo: use a webcam and something like pdp from the http://iem.at/pd suite. would take half an hour to set that up. |
| 05:05.55 | mebaran151 | old and foggerty, but should do the trick |
| 05:05.59 | jtacy | Guerin: just because the interface is up doesn't mean it's workign |
| 05:06.11 | Guerin | jtacy: no, but it does mean you can test it. |
| 05:06.14 | shogunx | mebaran151 if it has a network card and you have a cross connect cable. |
| 05:06.31 | mebaran151 | I don't think I have that |
| 05:06.32 | Guerin | you could also try changing the MAC |
| 05:06.56 | Guerin | that might cause dhcp to give you something |
| 05:06.59 | jtacy | ok, then the safe easy way to test would be to boot windows, get an ip through dhcp, and then immediately switch over and use that ip before the lease expires |
| 05:07.12 | jtacy | and see if you can get any connection |
| 05:07.13 | mebaran151 | ok |
| 05:07.31 | mebaran151 | so I can fake an ip for the time being and nothing bad will happen? |
| 05:07.37 | mebaran151 | cool |
| 05:07.47 | jtacy | if not, I would seriously get a $10 and be done with it...life is too short |
| 05:07.54 | jtacy | $10 nic, even |
| 05:08.07 | Guerin | even a rtl8150 usb nic |
| 05:08.11 | mebaran151 | yeah |
| 05:08.12 | mebaran151 | that's what I thought |
| 05:08.16 | mebaran151 | just get a usb nic |
| 05:08.24 | Guerin | well,most of them are shit |
| 05:08.25 | foo | delire: nice, thanks. |
| 05:08.31 | Guerin | and this one is pretty shit too, but it does work |
| 05:08.34 | jtacy | mebaran151: how are you using all those slots? |
| 05:08.40 | mebaran151 | I've a got shuttle |
| 05:08.49 | mebaran151 | it's got one half height slot |
| 05:08.49 | jtacy | does it only have one or two slots or something |
| 05:08.52 | Guerin | wth is a shuttle? |
| 05:08.55 | mebaran151 | oh |
| 05:08.59 | mebaran151 | their tiny micropc's |
| 05:08.59 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:09.02 | jtacy | ohhhh one of those mini machines |
| 05:09.05 | Guerin | no pcmcia? |
| 05:09.07 | mebaran151 | I wnated to have some deskspace |
| 05:09.11 | mebaran151 | I used to have a monster |
| 05:09.19 | mebaran151 | full ATX tower |
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| 05:09.34 | mebaran151 | but this was so nice |
| 05:09.42 | Guerin | i have a place for those: behind the TV |
| 05:09.45 | jtacy | I hear you there...I use a mac mini now |
| 05:09.49 | mebaran151 | yeah |
| 05:09.52 | mebaran151 | it's nice |
| 05:09.53 | delire | foo: watch for changes in pixel value within a given region from the captured area. if a sufficient proportion of pixels in this region has changed, send a message to a an external program, send you an sms, or just play a sound. more info here with downloads for linux: http://puredata.info/ |
| 05:10.20 | mebaran151 | Guerin, or on a small antique desk |
| 05:10.29 | Guerin | fuck that |
| 05:10.31 | mebaran151 | I actually have it connected to my LCD TV |
| 05:10.33 | Guerin | just get it out of the way |
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| 05:10.46 | mebaran151 | it's quiet |
| 05:10.49 | mebaran151 | that's the big thing for me |
| 05:11.06 | Guerin | yeah, mine is an old p2-era case with a p4 in it |
| 05:11.16 | btn | I just installed Firefox 1.5, and on starting up it goes to mcdonalds.com. wtf? |
| 05:11.22 | Guerin | and it's noisy as fuck because I have to leave the case off to stop it overheating |
| 05:11.25 | mebaran151 | I've got an athlon x2 3800+ |
| 05:11.28 | mebaran151 | I got it at a closeout |
| 05:11.28 | Guerin | btn: haha |
| 05:11.30 | mebaran151 | for chip |
| 05:11.32 | mebaran151 | cheap |
| 05:11.38 | mike-m | i have a lot of lib/udev/ failed at boot after a new etch installation, what could i look for ? |
| 05:11.41 | btn | trojan or something? |
| 05:11.50 | Guerin | btn: where did you install from? |
| 05:12.06 | foo | delire: heh, nice |
| 05:12.51 | jtacy | some people swear by computer noise |
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| 05:13.05 | Guerin | btn: don't message me |
| 05:13.24 | mebaran151 | I even tried the Ubuntu installer |
| 05:13.25 | Guerin | btn: and if you got it from mozilla.org, tell #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 05:13.34 | mebaran151 | which was nicer |
| 05:13.38 | mebaran151 | but failed just as hard |
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| 05:13.43 | delire | jtacy: i'd like to, but with this fan screaming next to me, can't hear myself swear. |
| 05:13.43 | Guerin | mebaran151: nicer than what? |
| 05:13.49 | mebaran151 | the installer |
| 05:13.56 | Guerin | WHICH installer |
| 05:13.59 | mebaran151 | was just more polished |
| 05:14.02 | mebaran151 | the one on Ubuntu |
| 05:14.07 | mike-m | btn: rm -rf ~/.mozilla |
| 05:14.11 | shogunx | jtacy i love the hum of the compaq proliant 6000 4xXeon and alphaserver 4100 in the livingroom/ |
| 05:14.12 | mebaran151 | has a more polished installer than the net inst of Debian |
| 05:14.12 | Guerin | btn: what part of 'don't fucking message me' is unclear? |
| 05:14.31 | Guerin | mebaran151: oh. You realise ubuntu's installer IS the debian installer, right? |
| 05:14.43 | mebaran151 | the partitioner screen was different |
| 05:14.46 | jtacy | delire: hehe...reminds me of the good old days of overclocking celeron 300a chips when having a million fans was just starting to be cool |
| 05:14.49 | mebaran151 | or maybe I just have an old Debian disk |
| 05:15.00 | Guerin | btn: you really are incurably stupid |
| 05:15.01 | delire | mebaran151: there is no difference between the ubuntu and debian installers AFAIK. |
| 05:15.07 | Guerin | btn: DO NOT FUCKING MESSAGE ME |
| 05:15.10 | gravity | No, Ubuntu does change it |
| 05:15.12 | delire | jtacy: those hazy, breezy days |
| 05:15.18 | jtacy | shogunx: hehe...nice place for a data center |
| 05:15.23 | mebaran151 | yeah I thought they had |
| 05:15.24 | delire | gravity: ahah does it.. |
| 05:15.24 | Guerin | well, there are differences |
| 05:15.26 | mebaran151 | it's a little cleaner |
| 05:15.41 | gravity | Not sure how, but I know they do customize it. They take out a few quesions and such |
| 05:15.54 | mebaran151 | it was mainly the partitioner screen |
| 05:16.00 | mebaran151 | that looked kind of different |
| 05:16.08 | mebaran151 | good different though |
| 05:16.12 | Azar | great firewall tutorial! http://www.aboutdebian.com/firewall.htm |
| 05:16.25 | delire | gravity right, on a cursory view they appeared the same.. didn't look too closely. |
| 05:16.48 | gravity | delire: Well, I never got far enough in to the install to know. It wouldn't install on my ppc, where sarge did |
| 05:17.21 | delire | gravity: hah strange. i heard ubuntu's pretty good on the PPC. |
| 05:17.23 | Guerin | well, ubuntu recently lost its chance of being installed on one fo my machines |
| 05:17.47 | Guerin | i started downloading both sarge disk 1 and ubuntu breezy at the same time, and the first one to come in got installed |
| 05:17.56 | Guerin | sarge won by 12 minutes |
| 05:18.21 | delire | gravity now that PPC is a significantly less popular desktop arch all of a sudden, i wonder if ubuntu will continue to support it at all. |
| 05:18.24 | Guerin | that's what they get for not using bittorrent for distribution |
| 05:18.29 | shogunx | Guerin on the other hand, ubuntu will ship you boxes full of cds for free. |
| 05:18.30 | gravity | delire: Dunno |
| 05:18.33 | Azar | I guess I have to give ubuntu a slack: its mere existance preserves Debian integrity |
| 05:18.44 | delire | it's a great desktop OS.. |
| 05:18.46 | dli | I'm trying to boot with root fs on USB-HDD, but root=/dev/sda2 always ends with kernel panic, all drivers are built-in, it doesn't work with or without initrd |
| 05:18.50 | Guerin | shogunx: i don't need boxes, I need one. And I don't need it next week, I need it in an hour. |
| 05:19.13 | Guerin | Azar: it does? Where was debian integrity going before ubuntu? |
| 05:19.23 | jtacy | Guerin: don't they have a net install disc like debian? |
| 05:19.32 | Azar | Guerin I hope you did not misunderstood my sentence |
| 05:19.33 | Guerin | jtacy: i wanted a full installer disk. |
| 05:19.45 | shogunx | Guerin boxes of discs are handy for lugs and such |
| 05:19.49 | gravity | Azar: You're not being very clear. What you said was a bit insulting... |
| 05:20.00 | Guerin | shogunx: i'm not a lug. |
| 05:20.32 | Azar | gravity I did not meant that; I meant that all those who love a quickie like ubuntu will not hassle or force Debian into something that is not ment to be |
| 05:20.37 | shogunx | who pissed in this guys cornflakes? |
| 05:20.51 | Azar | I guess me, they took it wrong |
| 05:20.52 | gravity | Azar: Ah, I see. Ok. |
| 05:20.55 | Guerin | shogunx: which guy? |
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| 05:22.01 | gravity | Azar: Although fundamentally I disagree to some extent. I think that what normal (what you call "quickie") users want is the same thing ultimately that power users want |
| 05:22.24 | gravity | Azar: A good example is hardware autodetection in the installer. People just want their stuff to work without pain, whether they're newbies or seasoned veterans of UNIX |
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| 05:22.41 | rohan | hi all |
| 05:22.48 | Guerin | the difference is that 'pain' sometimes differs |
| 05:22.50 | Azar | gravity agreed but I like the way Debian goes ( slowly but strong ) while lots want all the latest gadgets now, fast no matter how |
| 05:22.59 | rohan | can i completely remove python2.3 and make use of only python2.4 on deb sid ? |
| 05:23.18 | rohan | i dont see the point in having two py versions on my pc |
| 05:23.28 | gravity | rohan: Some apps may require 2.3 |
| 05:23.42 | rohan | gravity: i think 2.4 is back compatible with 2.3 |
| 05:23.43 | kevix | gravity: the problem lies when folks dont know which HW requires non-free stuff... which Debian is trying to not support. |
| 05:23.59 | gravity | kevix: That's one problem, yes |
| 05:24.56 | kevix | gravity: I am certainly waiting for that 'hardware detecting cd' that someone said they are going to make! |
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| 05:25.19 | rohan | because all vim scripts expect python 2.4 |
| 05:25.33 | Azar | kevix, I wonder if the hardware manufacturers will agree to contribute to that CD |
| 05:25.41 | rohan | i dont know how do i modify the link *-- python is not config-able even in "alternatives" |
| 05:26.13 | Flimzy | How can I determine the PCI Bus ID of the graphics chip on my dang iMac? |
| 05:26.26 | kevix | Azar: when did HW folks every talk to gnu/linux folks? |
| 05:26.29 | Azar | .. in which case is still ok because some will not contribute an short info will be handed to the user who will pressure the hardware maker |
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| 05:26.59 | Azar | kevix, the hardware consumer/customers will vote them out with their wallets |
| 05:27.01 | gravity | kevix: Yeah, that sounds like a cool project |
| 05:27.06 | Agrajag- | Flimzy: lspci ? |
| 05:27.08 | kevix | Azar: did you check out the HW database that K Muto(?) is making. |
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| 05:27.28 | Azar | kevix, no, I did not know about it |
| 05:27.32 | Flimzy | Agrajag: I guess maybe that just shows it in hex, and xorg.conf needs it in decimal... |
| 05:28.02 | kevix | Azar: you give it 'lspci -n' or the like, and you can see what modeules you need. |
| 05:28.26 | Flimzy | so now to figure out why the heck X starts with a completely blank screen on this thing |
| 05:28.34 | Azar | kevix if an official CD would be made I bet HW manufacturers won't be so thrilled when they will see their names listed as: non-linux supportive. Bad advertisement for them |
| 05:28.35 | Mosi | is anyone here familiar with yaboot? |
| 05:28.48 | Mosi | or boot laoders in general, i suppose |
| 05:29.03 | rohan | Mosi: boot loaders ? yes, many people are familiar with them. |
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| 05:29.10 | Azar | yay! that's so cool kevix! |
| 05:29.20 | kevix | Azar: they dont care now from what I see. Intel never gave us the centrino driver! |
| 05:29.26 | rohan | Mosi: just ask the question :) |
| 05:29.50 | kevix | Mosi: it is a boot loader from Mac OS to linux for powerPc macs. |
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| 05:30.11 | Azar | kevix, OS is spreading by the month, I do not think they will like to see companies that colaborate with OS get a greater market share |
| 05:30.24 | Mosi | sorry :) i misconfigured Yaboot on my PPC and the second stage blew up, so now i can only boot into OS X. what i need help with is figuring what options to pass to the kernel on the command line so it will boot right, so i can get back into linux and fix it |
| 05:30.55 | patric | why are we still begging from hardware vendors |
| 05:30.59 | Azar | :) and the new big version coming next year from m$ will push lots of people to linux.. :) |
| 05:31.01 | rohan | Mosi: on grub, only kernel, with "ro" option is required. and the initrd. |
| 05:31.03 | zebalin7 | Hi folks. I run testing. Bot says to get eclipse from Sid. Will it work in Etch? |
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| 05:31.15 | rohan | zebalin7: use etch sid mix |
| 05:31.17 | rohan | !esm |
| 05:31.17 | dpkg | somebody said quick etch/sid mix was echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your etch lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update, apt-get -t unstable install foo to install foo from sid rather than etch, or this will probably break if packages from unstable are compiled with gcc 4 and packages in etch aren't. |
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| 05:31.30 | kevix | Mosi: uh. dont know much about yaboot. I think there is a #debian-ppc or similar. |
| 05:31.37 | patric | the writing is on the wall, especially for geek toys like wifi cards, we are a big chunk of the market, and we influence a bigger chunk |
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| 05:31.44 | Azar | that be etchid |
| 05:32.21 | Mosi | rohan: i'm able to figure out what commands to pass to OpenFirmware to get it to find the kernel, but then said kernel panics, giving an error about 'need a valid "root=" parameter' |
| 05:32.21 | Azar | good night honorables :) |
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| 05:32.45 | kevix | patric: so why do we still need those wacky windows-linux drivers? |
| 05:32.54 | Mosi | rohan: i tried passing it root=/dev/hda10 (the partition containing the kernel) but that doesn't help |
| 05:32.58 | zebalin7 | rohan: have you run eclipse from sid in testing? |
| 05:33.57 | rohan | zebalin7: no. back when i used etch, i had used k3b and amarok from sid. so i know "esm" works. |
| 05:34.01 | rohan | i use sid now. |
| 05:34.21 | paulis | leave #debian |
| 05:34.40 | rohan | zebalin7: or you can compile the sources from sid on etch. |
| 05:34.41 | rohan | paulis: ? |
| 05:35.01 | rohan | Mosi: what error is displayer ? |
| 05:35.04 | rohan | *displayed |
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| 05:36.05 | zebalin7 | rohan: what does this do? echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf why do you need to mess with apt.conf? |
| 05:36.36 | rohan | zebalin7: if you want sid packages but yet want to remain on etch. |
| 05:36.44 | Mosi | rohan: i can't quote verbatim, unless it's important enough for me to reboot and write it down, but i believe it has to do with not being able to mount /dev/hda10. I'm under the impression that it's not looking for the kind of thing i'm giving it, and i know that there's nothing wrong with /dev/hda10 |
| 05:37.00 | rohan | zebalin7: however, the best way is to compile eclipse on your etch install. |
| 05:37.10 | rohan | zebalin7: its quite easy. |
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| 05:37.21 | rohan | zebalin7: if you want to go 'compiling' route, tell me. |
| 05:37.30 | Mosi | rohan: my linux install was working fine until i misconfigured Yaboot, so i would be very surprised if there's something wrong with the partition, seeing as the first stage bootloader actually has it's own partition |
| 05:37.37 | rohan | Mosi: most probably you forgot to add the initrd entry. |
| 05:37.46 | rohan | thats if ppc uses an initrd |
| 05:37.48 | rohan | :S |
| 05:38.05 | zebalin7 | rohan: if you want sid why not add a line to sources.lst (as bot says) do an update and insall etc. Then comment out the item and do another update??? |
| 05:38.39 | rohan | zebalin7: if you want sid packages on etch, use esm. |
| 05:38.50 | zebalin7 | rohan: compiled programs are not part of the package manager (right?) and thus are a nightmare to update are they now? |
| 05:38.54 | zebalin7 | *not? |
| 05:38.59 | rohan | zebalin7: no, they are .. |
| 05:39.03 | rohan | do you want to compile ? |
| 05:39.08 | rohan | it will make .deb's |
| 05:39.12 | NGo | my gosh, I can't solute my opengl's problem |
| 05:39.35 | NGo | I try to play an opengl game, and it doesn't work good |
| 05:39.36 | zebalin7 | rohan: were are the compile instructions? In the eclipse download? |
| 05:39.40 | rohan | wait, zebalin7 |
| 05:39.45 | NGo | it work's slowly and bad |
| 05:39.53 | NGo | can anybody help me? |
| 05:40.12 | Mosi | rohan: i haven't been adding an initrd option, can you tell me what the most common path to initrd is? |
| 05:40.21 | rohan | zebalin7: add deb-src line of usntable, apt get update, apt-get build-dep eclipse, apt-get source eclipse, cd the_created_dir/ ; debian/rules binary ; cd .. ; dpkg -i the_created_pkg.deb |
| 05:40.25 | rohan | zebalin7: thats all |
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| 05:40.57 | rohan | Mosi: /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` |
| 05:41.01 | zebalin7 | rohan: (been years since I compiled anything... and was in Slackware. Instructions sound good. I'll try it. |
| 05:41.10 | Mosi | rohan: thanks |
| 05:41.15 | rohan | zebalin7: yes, its bery easy. wont ask you a single question :) |
| 05:41.26 | rohan | Mosi: errr.. wait. replace the stuff in `` with your kernel version |
| 05:41.44 | Mosi | rohan: should i prepend initrd=" to that, or what? |
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| 05:41.55 | Mosi | oh, lol, thanks |
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| 05:42.59 | rohan | Mosi: yes. |
| 05:43.21 | rss | Reiserfs: hda2: warning: vs-8115 get_num_ver not directory item, I am getting this error... on googling I found it was harmless... |
| 05:43.25 | rohan | Mosi: initrd="BOOT_PARITION/initrd.img-2.6.15-1-686" |
| 05:43.30 | kevix | breaking news from boingboing.net: RIAA says ripping your own cd is NOT fair use! |
| 05:43.31 | rss | how to stop it from coming? |
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| 05:43.38 | zebalin7 | rohan: I never saw apt-get build-dep before. Must be in 'man'. Where is the created dir? |
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| 05:43.51 | peterS | kevix: that's neither on topic nor surprising nor authoritative |
| 05:44.02 | Mosi | rohan: thanks |
| 05:44.30 | peterS | (they can say whatever they want, and that's exactly what I'd expect them to say, and it has very little to do with Debian) |
| 05:44.37 | rohan | zebalin7: a new dir is created when you do "apt-get source foo" -- eclipse if your case. |
| 05:45.11 | zebalin7 | rohan: created in ~/ ?? |
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| 05:46.00 | NGo | is anybody available for help? |
| 05:46.19 | zebalin7 | debian/rules binary is this a command? |
| 05:46.38 | rss | !ask NGo |
| 05:46.42 | rss | !ask |
| 05:46.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 05:46.47 | dondelelcaro | zebalin7: yes. |
| 05:46.55 | rohan_ | sorry disconnected |
| 05:46.59 | NGo | I've asked lot of times, my gosh |
| 05:47.10 | NGo | I try to play an opengl game, and it doesn't work good |
| 05:47.13 | rohan_ | zebalin7: the dir is created in the dir from where you run the command. |
| 05:47.16 | NGo | it work's slowly and bad |
| 05:47.19 | rss | NGo: which? |
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| 05:47.30 | NGo | I guess it's opengl |
| 05:47.36 | NGo | ppracer |
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| 05:47.42 | SerajewelKS | NGo: which video card |
| 05:47.42 | NGo | and supertux |
| 05:47.55 | NGo | VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01) |
| 05:48.09 | NGo | kernel 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 05:48.18 | zebalin7 | What does debian/rules binary do? And then where do I cd to in order to dpkg -i? Or are there some prompts to guide me? |
| 05:48.30 | SerajewelKS | NGo: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 05:48.43 | rohan | zebalin7: debian/rules binary -- makes a deb package. there are no prompts. |
| 05:48.56 | rohan | zebalin7: cd .. from the directory to do dpkg -i |
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| 05:49.03 | NGo | Error: unable to open display (null) |
| 05:49.05 | dondelelcaro | zebalin7: debian/rules is a Makefile with a shebang line which is +x. |
| 05:49.15 | SerajewelKS | NGo: don't run it as root |
| 05:49.24 | rss | Reiserfs: hda2: warning: vs-8115 get_num_ver not directory item, is this a common error on Sarge with Resierfs? |
| 05:49.33 | zebalin7 | dondelelcaro: this is interesting. So you folks don't use something like checkinstall instead of make install? |
| 05:49.42 | dondelelcaro | zebalin7: no. |
| 05:49.44 | rohan | zebalin7: no. |
| 05:49.44 | \amethyst | ! |
| 05:49.47 | \amethyst | oop |
| 05:49.51 | zebalin7 | Debian is way, way ahead of Slackware. |
| 05:49.52 | NGo | direct rendering: No OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 05:50.01 | rohan | zebalin7: psst... no that loud |
| 05:50.14 | SerajewelKS | NGo: it says 'No' meaning that basically you don't have hardware acceleration |
| 05:50.30 | NGo | mm |
| 05:50.35 | NGo | so strange |
| 05:50.47 | NGo | in windows opengl works perfectly |
| 05:50.49 | SerajewelKS | NGo: you sure the video card isn't an nvidia chipset? |
| 05:50.49 | zebalin7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.54 | Guerin | rss: reiserfs eats data. |
| 05:51.01 | SerajewelKS | NGo: of course, because you have the video card drivers installed on windows |
| 05:51.08 | NGo | yes |
| 05:51.15 | rss | Guerin: Is that harmful? |
| 05:51.15 | NGo | so what can I do here? |
| 05:51.32 | NGo | how can I know if it's nvidia chipset? |
| 05:51.34 | SerajewelKS | NGo: i'm not sure which kernel module and X driver handles via |
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| 05:51.39 | Guerin | rss: probably not on its own. The problem is that ricerfs has no functional repair tools, so you probably can't fix it |
| 05:51.48 | SerajewelKS | NGo: type 'lspci' and look for a multimedia controller |
| 05:51.56 | SerajewelKS | NGo: or pastebin the lspci output and i'll look |
| 05:52.11 | NGo | it gives me: VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01) |
| 05:52.26 | SerajewelKS | NGo: probably not nvidia then |
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| 05:52.43 | NGo | so, opengl supports nvidia only? |
| 05:52.53 | SerajewelKS | NGo: i didn't say that |
| 05:52.57 | NGo | I asking |
| 05:53.02 | NGo | I'm asking |
| 05:53.16 | SerajewelKS | NGo: 'lspci -n' and look for the pciid with the bus number corresponding to the vga controller |
| 05:53.21 | rss | Guerin: So it is either putting up with the error messages or shifting to ext3, right? |
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| 05:54.25 | NGo | 0000:01:00.0 0300: 1106:7205 (rev 01) ? |
| 05:55.20 | Asmodee` | what's the best way to change a users home directory? i couldnt find a chhome or any program to do this... is the only way to edit /etc/passwd by hand? |
| 05:55.33 | SerajewelKS | Asmodee`: usermod |
| 05:56.00 | unix_infidel | anyone here running jackd with ardour? |
| 05:56.03 | NGo | SerajewelKS so? |
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| 05:56.13 | SerajewelKS | NGo: lsmod | grep via |
| 05:56.19 | unix_infidel | on a modded kernel? |
| 05:56.25 | Asmodee` | thanks.. that should be in the SEE ALSO of the man pages for things like chfn i think ;) |
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| 05:56.51 | rss | Asmodee`: file a bug :) |
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| 05:57.03 | NGo | it gives me same text |
| 05:57.51 | SerajewelKS | NGo: lsmod | awk '{print $1}' | grep via # shows "via"? |
| 05:58.36 | NGo | snd-via82xx via82cxxx via-rhine sata_via |
| 05:58.47 | SerajewelKS | NGo: as root, 'modprobe via' |
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| 05:59.15 | SerajewelKS | NGo: then lsmod again and confirm that it's loaded |
| 05:59.26 | NGo | Can't locate it |
| 05:59.47 | SerajewelKS | NGo: you need to get a 2.6 kernel installed |
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| 05:59.59 | SerajewelKS | NGo: stable or testing? |
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| 06:00.49 | NGo | stable |
| 06:01.04 | SerajewelKS | NGo: what type of processor are you using |
| 06:01.18 | NGo | m, Pentium4 2.8 512mb ram |
| 06:01.23 | NGo | i386 |
| 06:01.32 | SerajewelKS | NGo: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8-1-686 |
| 06:01.50 | SerajewelKS | NGo: read what it says about initrd unless you want a broken system |
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| 06:02.20 | Guerin | rss: putting up with them WILL result in you losing data |
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| 06:02.44 | kevix | NGo: try: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 06:02.54 | liable | SerajewelKS: -2 now :) |
| 06:02.57 | SerajewelKS | kevix: via will work, he just needs a newer kernel |
| 06:03.08 | SerajewelKS | liable: oh? security update? |
| 06:03.08 | NGo | mm |
| 06:03.17 | liable | SerajewelKS: believe so. |
| 06:03.26 | SerajewelKS | !info linux-image-2.6.8-2-686 sarge |
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| 06:03.36 | SerajewelKS | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 sarge |
| 06:03.39 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 15167 kB, Installed size: 44160 kB |
| 06:03.39 | NGo | I installed kernel 2.6.8 .. and I couldn't play opengl games succesfuly |
| 06:03.51 | AssAssIn | How can I use 'multi sound' with ALSA (I mean run more than 1sound program at same time (an on same ALSA). 4Example: xmms && some KDE voice) |
| 06:03.52 | SerajewelKS | NGo: because we're not done yet |
| 06:04.07 | kevix | SerajewelKS: I guess someone needs to update dpkg |
| 06:04.31 | SerajewelKS | kevix: what makes you say that. he looks up to date to me. |
| 06:04.31 | NGo | sorry, I didn't explain good |
| 06:04.40 | NGo | look, I gave format to my hdd |
| 06:04.48 | kevix | SerajewelKS: the linux- kernel- thing. |
| 06:04.58 | SerajewelKS | kevix: in sarge it's kernel-image- |
| 06:05.00 | NGo | before that, I had debian with kernel 2.6.8 |
| 06:05.01 | liable | 2.6.8 is still kernel |
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| 06:05.18 | NGo | and my opengl games didn't work succesfuly |
| 06:05.19 | SerajewelKS | NGo: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 06:05.24 | SerajewelKS | NGo: set up initrd, and reboot |
| 06:05.30 | NGo | do you understand me? |
| 06:05.34 | NGo | ok, ok |
| 06:05.41 | SerajewelKS | NGo: yes. you probably did not configure X properly. |
| 06:06.02 | NGo | I think I did |
| 06:06.24 | NGo | I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:06.39 | NGo | and I chose via |
| 06:06.48 | SerajewelKS | NGo: and the via kernel module was loaded? |
| 06:07.04 | NGo | what do you mean |
| 06:07.13 | NGo | so I don't think it was |
| 06:07.27 | SerajewelKS | NGo: it might have been if hotplug detected the card |
| 06:07.37 | AssAssIn | NGo waht card do u have? |
| 06:07.48 | NGo | VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01) |
| 06:08.10 | NGo | SerajewelKS I'm gonna do what you are asking me |
| 06:08.35 | SerajewelKS | NGo: ok |
| 06:08.36 | NGo | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 ? |
| 06:08.43 | SerajewelKS | NGo: yes |
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| 06:08.59 | Guerin | !unichrome |
| 06:08.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge> |
| 06:09.09 | AssAssIn | NGo my OGL didn't work but I replace mesa with xmesa (xlibmesa or similar) and i works... ;p |
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| 06:09.48 | NGo | AssAssIn with the same video card? |
| 06:09.50 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: ahh |
| 06:10.21 | AssAssIn | NGo yes, mesa is just software... |
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| 06:10.42 | NGo | so well, I don't know really what to do |
| 06:10.52 | NGo | you say me that |
| 06:11.06 | NGo | another one says me another thing |
| 06:11.10 | NGo | :S |
| 06:12.20 | Guerin | NGo: do what dpkg said |
| 06:12.25 | AssAssIn | How can I use 'multi sound' with ALSA (I mean run more than 1sound program at same time (an on same ALSA). 4Example: xmms && some KDE voice) |
| 06:12.39 | Guerin | AssAssIn: /msg dpkg dmix |
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| 06:15.16 | imaek | I used my mac OS X install disk to correct permissions on my mac os x partition, and it changed it so that now, when I restart, I restart directly back into Mac OS X, without the dual booting software. How can I change this back? |
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| 06:16.21 | dondelelcaro | imaek: boot off of your debian install disk, mount your debian partition, and run ybin -v -v; |
| 06:16.47 | NGo | SerajewelKS: how can I set up initrd? |
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| 06:17.49 | ootput | is the rxvt-unicode still orphaned? |
| 06:18.06 | peterS | ootput: www.debian.org/devel/wnpp probably knows |
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| 06:19.10 | NGo | SerajewelKS are you still there? |
| 06:19.15 | ootput | peterS: :( it appears it is |
| 06:19.23 | ootput | and thanks |
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| 06:21.53 | elnovato | HEY!! etch is just in gnome 2.12, i want 2.13 :P |
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| 06:22.24 | SerajewelKS | NGo: apt-get should have told you how |
| 06:22.41 | SerajewelKS | elnovato: so help package it |
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| 06:23.23 | NGo | it didn't |
| 06:23.34 | SerajewelKS | NGo: hrm, which bootloader do you use |
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| 06:23.55 | elnovato | i suspect this was wroten by willie wonka : http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2006-February/msg00056.html |
| 06:24.08 | kevix | elnovato: testing is supposed to have TESTED software. if you want less or untested software run sid. |
| 06:24.16 | NGo | how do I now it? |
| 06:24.32 | elnovato | ill help, im just formaly entering debian world.. |
| 06:24.40 | SerajewelKS | NGo: lilo or grub? |
| 06:24.44 | NGo | grub |
| 06:24.58 | peterS | elnovato: it does seem that way, doesn't it? |
| 06:25.06 | SerajewelKS | NGo: look in /boot/grub/menu.lst and see if there's anything about initrd in the 2.6.8 kernel line |
| 06:25.18 | NGo | yes, it is |
| 06:25.21 | NGo | so,, reboot? |
| 06:25.25 | SerajewelKS | NGo: yeah |
| 06:25.33 | NGo | ok, wait |
| 06:26.21 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: if you're still there can you help NGo with unichrome? i need to get some sleep before a test tomorrow. |
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| 06:28.28 | NGo | ready |
| 06:28.43 | NGo | now? |
| 06:28.57 | elnovato | NGo: unlucky sera went to sleep |
| 06:29.04 | SerajewelKS | elnovato: not yet |
| 06:29.37 | SerajewelKS | NGo: you need to install unichrome... unfortunately i have not done this before (i have an nvidia) |
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| 06:29.44 | elnovato | i c |
| 06:30.12 | SerajewelKS | NGo: your best bet might be waiting for someone who has, or else try it yourself: http://unichrome.sf.net |
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| 06:32.23 | mark00 | does the default install of unstable, give you udev and hal? |
| 06:32.40 | SerajewelKS | mark00: udev, yes. hal, i don't know. |
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| 06:33.32 | mark00 | jsut a step back, does stable use udev? |
| 06:34.01 | afra | I am trying to upgrade my sid stable at home and haven't done so in a while. I keep getting his error on a apt-get -f install: " trying to overwrite `/usr/include/X11', which is also in package libxft-dev" (happens when installing x11-common) - any solutions to fix this? |
| 06:34.30 | deadcat_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.52 | mark00 | so lets say i upgrade from stable to unstable, will it enable udev? |
| 06:34.59 | deadcat_ | yues |
| 06:35.11 | mark00 | it will do it automaticlly or will i have to do it manually? |
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| 06:35.23 | deadcat_ | mark00: it will rm hotplug and use udev |
| 06:35.35 | mark00 | and how about testing? |
| 06:35.39 | stew | deadcat_: huh? what makes you say that? |
| 06:36.02 | deadcat_ | stew: because i am using it? (= |
| 06:36.10 | deadcat_ | mark00: no clue about testing |
| 06:36.12 | stew | mark00: there is no definate answer like "if you switch to testing you definately will/will not be using udev" same with unstable or stable |
| 06:36.41 | stew | mark00: it depends on several things. if you wish to use udev you may if you wish to not use udev you may do that as well |
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| 06:37.01 | mark00 | steri, but whats the default? |
| 06:37.03 | stew | mark00: when etch releases it will likely install it by defulat but you would be free to remove it and do without |
| 06:37.08 | stew | mark00: there isn't a default |
| 06:37.12 | mark00 | dang wrong nick sorry |
| 06:38.03 | mark00 | is the way you upgrade from stable to unstable, your just switch your repo, correct? |
| 06:38.16 | stew | mark00: if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
| 06:38.55 | mark00 | so what I'm asking is, will that automaticly put udev in and take hotplug out, OR do I have to specify it manually when i apt-get? |
| 06:38.59 | dondelelcaro | mark00: switch to testing first. |
| 06:39.10 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: my ibook died for no reason (= |
| 06:39.11 | dondelelcaro | mark00: and no, it won't automatically do it. |
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| 06:39.31 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: it probably had a reason... it just didn't feel like communicating it to you |
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| 06:40.10 | mark00 | ok, so I'm let do believe, is that msot people with unstable don't use udev? would that be true? |
| 06:40.17 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: mainboard again. i bet |
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| 06:40.49 | stew | mark00: i doubt any of us would be able to accurately assess that |
| 06:40.50 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: its flickering again. definately mainboard. luckily i still have the applecare till aug. |
| 06:41.07 | mark00 | ok, thaks stew and all |
| 06:41.21 | duanear | How do I know if the kernel is starting md arrays at boot or if mdadm is doing it? |
| 06:41.39 | duanear | After apt-get upgrade mdadm is asking me about its autostart option. |
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| 06:42.15 | Sir | hi |
| 06:42.21 | afra | How can I force apt-get to overwrite files for a package that it specifies conflicts with another package? |
| 06:42.28 | duanear | Right after IDE chipset detection I see this: "md: md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27 |
| 06:42.28 | duanear | md: raid1 personality registered as nr 3 |
| 06:42.29 | duanear | " |
| 06:42.39 | duanear | No mention of mdadm. |
| 06:43.06 | stew | afra: you should first check the bts for both packages |
| 06:43.09 | stew | afra: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 06:44.07 | soup_ | anyone here setup bind before? |
| 06:44.44 | stew | soup_: if you have a real question, just go ahead and ask it |
| 06:44.44 | peterS | soup_: that's the wrong question, you don't care if anyone has setup bind before, you have some other question you want to ask as a followup. just ask it. |
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| 06:45.36 | peterS | soup_: I *will* note that most debian users use 'bind9' rather than 'bind' (which is bind version 8) |
| 06:45.54 | soup_ | yeah thats what I'm using |
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| 06:46.08 | soup_ | (bind9 that is) |
| 06:46.13 | Neverth | or binding with fstab...nah :p |
| 06:46.23 | peterS | Neverth: oh yeah I do that too |
| 06:46.29 | NGo | who knows about this video card: VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01) ? |
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| 06:48.07 | elnovato | NGo: you know, i have ATI radeon 9200, wich is considerated "modern" but they told me , throw it to the trash can, coz doesnt work with linux architecture very well |
| 06:48.32 | wireddd | is there any reason why I would need portmap running if I am setting up a system to be a router/firewall? |
| 06:48.37 | stew | elnovato: that card has probably the best possible open source 3d support available |
| 06:48.42 | NGo | so...? |
| 06:48.56 | Guerin | NGo: go to unichrome.sf.net |
| 06:48.57 | amphi | elnovato: 9200 is supported by the xorg driver, it seems |
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| 06:49.06 | NGo | I went |
| 06:49.09 | Guerin | NGo: follow the fucking instructions |
| 06:49.26 | NGo | but VT8378 isn't there |
| 06:49.38 | NGo | hey, be quiet |
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| 06:50.09 | NGo | I don't want to make anybody hungry |
| 06:50.13 | NGo | angry |
| 06:50.15 | NGo | sorry |
| 06:50.17 | jm_ | wireddd: if you don't know, you don't need it |
| 06:50.21 | Guerin | NGo: so email them. Or read the mailing list. Or something. |
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| 06:50.34 | elnovato | amphi: 9200 works fine, 2D, but i need the friking 3D working, but doesnt, planning to use Crystal space, 3d engine development, but im stucked |
| 06:50.39 | Neverth | NGo, itegrated s3 chip, i had once pci s3 trio 64 and it barely ran videos on 1.3Ghz |
| 06:51.00 | Guerin | trio is a whole different beast from unichrome |
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| 06:51.11 | NGo | ok, but my problem is that I can't play opengl games successfuly |
| 06:51.18 | elnovato | ati works fine even with 2 monitors, like im using now |
| 06:51.35 | NGo | I can do everything I want, but I can't play that games |
| 06:51.39 | elnovato | NGo: ohhh opengl again... i lost hopes |
| 06:51.47 | NGo | I mean, I can, but not successfuly |
| 06:51.50 | Guerin | NGo: if you want to play games, go to a fucking arcade |
| 06:52.17 | NGo | Guerin, come on.. shut up. you are not helping me |
| 06:52.22 | elnovato | NGo: i have an excuse, i need to develop 3d engines, but play games, isnt windows the best option? |
| 06:52.54 | NGo | I think I'll need opengl OK not for games only |
| 06:53.02 | NGo | do you understand me? |
| 06:53.12 | Guerin | NGo: befiore I went and had a showrr and cleaned the bathroom and put my washing on and took out the rubbish, I told you where to go and what to do about this. And you're STILL in here fucking whining about it. |
| 06:53.13 | elnovato | NGo: not with that card, get a Nvidia |
| 06:53.33 | Neverth | NGo, mesa *mmm...processor needs more kick* tuxracer ran 37fps with mesa here, even hl1 with wine |
| 06:53.55 | elnovato | NGo: a nvidia costs 30 usd prolly, and will fit to our debian |
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| 06:54.44 | soup_ | damn this bind(9) files are cryptic |
| 06:54.48 | soup_ | *these |
| 06:55.08 | jm_ | why do you need bind9? |
| 06:55.22 | NGo | well, my processor is p4 2.8 |
| 06:55.27 | NGo | does it help me? |
| 06:55.27 | elnovato | soup_: webhosting? |
| 06:56.01 | elnovato | NGo: go and buy a Nvidia video card 4 opengl decent support |
| 06:56.06 | soup_ | I want to setup a caching name server for the four pcs in this house, and use that pc as a nameserver |
| 06:56.12 | poli | I have an alsa-problem. I have a M5451 soundcard and sound works to some extend: warning sounds play on the speakers but I can't control their volume. I don't seem to be able to reproduce any other sounds, but running alsaconf will cause the applications that should be using sound to crash. How can I test if alsa is actually working |
| 06:56.13 | amphi | elnovato: the xorg driver supports 3d accel on the 9200 I believe |
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| 06:56.20 | EleckttrusS | elnovato, de donde eres? |
| 06:56.48 | deadcat_ | i am wondering if systemimage works the same on x86 as sparc |
| 06:56.52 | jm_ | ahh there are other solutions for that - dnsmasq, nscd, pdnsd |
| 06:57.03 | EleckttrusS | elnovato, elnovato |
| 06:57.11 | elnovato | amphi: yes it does , ive been testing xorg 6.9 , ati drivers , but still having problems with opengl, ive read about xorg 7.0 , ill wait till etch implements it |
| 06:57.14 | jm_ | poli: alsaplayer is pretty native |
| 06:57.16 | wireddd | yeah I just setup dnsmasq its pretty easy |
| 06:57.18 | elnovato | EleckttrusS: im from bolivia |
| 06:57.26 | EleckttrusS | elnovato, good! |
| 06:57.32 | amphi | elnovato: you have the necessary kernel modules installed? |
| 06:57.36 | EleckttrusS | elnovato, /join #linux-bolivar |
| 06:57.38 | stew | soup_: if all you want is a caching nameserver, you shouldn't have to touch the config, just apt-get install and point clients at it |
| 06:57.38 | wireddd | soup_, you should check out dnsmasq |
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| 06:57.54 | elnovato | EleckttrusS: i cant believe it hahah |
| 06:58.14 | EleckttrusS | elnovato, /join #linux-bolivar #debian-es #debian-ve #debian-ar |
| 06:58.15 | soup_ | wireddd: will do |
| 06:58.32 | EleckttrusS | EleckttrusS, esos canal son en español! |
| 06:58.44 | soup_ | stew: you mean on my windows boxen I can set the nameservers to my linux box run bind? |
| 06:58.45 | Neverth | elnovato, xorg 6.9 and 7.0 are the same, just 6.9 is the old 'stack' and 7.0 is 'splitted' one |
| 06:59.03 | stew | soup_: yes |
| 06:59.09 | elnovato | i guess i should try to compile again |
| 06:59.25 | stew | elnovato: compile what? |
| 06:59.27 | elnovato | whats the kernel pack name to corfirm? |
| 06:59.36 | elnovato | kernel modules i mean |
| 06:59.41 | Jake_ | ssh only tcp? |
| 06:59.46 | elnovato | the ati drivers |
| 07:00.12 | deadcat | Jake_: yes |
| 07:00.12 | akant | hey does anyone have any suggestions on a good email host isp? something with imap ..etc possibly a shell account? |
| 07:00.13 | soup_ | stew: curious how does bind9 grab my ip server nameservers, from /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 07:00.17 | stew | elnovato: why do you want the non-free drivers? there is 3d accelleration in the free ones |
| 07:00.36 | duanear | doesn't debian kernel autostart raid1 arrays without mdadm? |
| 07:00.36 | akant | I need to get a new email provider :D |
| 07:00.42 | amphi | elnovato: FWIW, here I needed agpgart, intel_agp, drm, and radeon modules |
| 07:00.56 | poli | soup_: It doesn't. It has the nameserver (or root nameserver) in its own confiuration. |
| 07:01.06 | elnovato | okay, ill try the free ones |
| 07:01.11 | poli | duanear: The linux kernel does, yes. |
| 07:01.15 | stew | soup_: bind9 is a nameserver, it doesn't need to know about your nameservers |
| 07:01.19 | EleckttrusS | Neverth, xorg 6.9 is the best! but no have xorg-synaptics-dirvers only xfree-synaptics-drivers and this is not good! |
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| 07:02.14 | phobo | Does any know what the hot keys to change computer are for a Compaq rackmounted KVM? (Ive never had a KVM before so don't know typical combinations) |
| 07:02.58 | duanear | poli: I set autostart=false in /etc/default/mdadm using dpkg-reconfigure mdadm, rebooted, and nothing |
| 07:03.06 | Neverth | phobo, try hitting scroll lock twive and then up/down arrows or numbers 1,2,so on |
| 07:03.25 | duanear | accessing machine remotely so I don't know if it's e2fscking ext3 filesystem or if it panicked |
| 07:03.28 | poli | duanear: Nothing what? |
| 07:03.46 | duanear | no connectivity |
| 07:03.48 | phobo | scroll lock twice... then up/down or 1,2,3 huh... now I know why I didn't guess that!! will try.... |
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| 07:04.14 | poli | duanear: That mdadm you disabled is the monitor daemon... the one that will email you if some drive fails. |
| 07:04.26 | duanear | no, i enabled that one |
| 07:04.33 | phobo | whats the difference between .o and .ko (for instance for an e1000 ethernet module) |
| 07:04.53 | soup_ | wireddd: I'm also testing a win2k active directory here... will dnsmasq work with that? |
| 07:05.03 | soup_ | phobo: .o are kernel modules before 2.6 |
| 07:05.05 | dma | how do i disable xattrs on reiserfs 3.6? |
| 07:05.28 | phobo | soup_: and .ko are for 2.6 ? |
| 07:05.29 | soup_ | .ko is the new extension for 2.6 kernel modules |
| 07:05.35 | phobo | :P |
| 07:05.51 | phobo | should .ko 's work across kernel versions? |
| 07:05.59 | nkuttler | phobo: no |
| 07:06.00 | phobo | or do you need to make it for a specific 2.6.x version? |
| 07:06.02 | poli | duanear: Ok... lets get from the beginning... what does /proc/mdstat say? |
| 07:06.13 | duanear | all arrays fine |
| 07:06.22 | duanear | everything was running smoothly |
| 07:06.27 | poli | duanear: So... What exactly do you want? |
| 07:06.33 | duanear | then I ran apt-get upgrade... upgrade kernel as well as mdadm |
| 07:06.41 | phobo | nkuttler: when you say no, would even a 2.6.8 to 2.6.9, as an example, still fail? |
| 07:06.58 | duanear | it ran dpkg-reconfigure mdadm... i said no to autostarting arrays |
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| 07:07.10 | duanear | it said to disable it if kernel took care of autostartin |
| 07:07.11 | duanear | g |
| 07:07.55 | NGo | Can I put a nvidia geforce video card in a via motherboard ? |
| 07:07.56 | duanear | so i did... rebooted, and now i can't access ssh |
| 07:08.29 | poli | duanear: there are literally dozens of things that could have gone wrong... |
| 07:08.39 | soup_ | poli: does bind9 automattically update itself if one of the root nameserver ip addresses change? Or are these set in stone? |
| 07:08.52 | duanear | poli: is it possible it's e2fsck'ing? |
| 07:08.54 | nkuttler | phobo: try it. you may be able to force. not a good idea. |
| 07:09.06 | NGo | Can I put a nvidia geforce video card in a via motherboard ? |
| 07:09.15 | poli | soup_: root nameservers change are quite rare, but last time I checked you would have to get a script to do that update. |
| 07:09.21 | poli | duanear: yes, could be. |
| 07:09.32 | poli | duanear: Or it could be in single-user mode... |
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| 07:09.52 | duanear | dammit, no on-site hands |
| 07:09.55 | poli | duanear: The thing is... if you didn't change the kernel, chances are your array is exactly how it should be. |
| 07:10.04 | soup_ | NGo: normally you should be able to, but check with the video card vendor and motherboard vendor just in case |
| 07:10.15 | NGo | ok, thanks |
| 07:10.19 | poli | duanear: Why did you reboot after a apt-get upgrade anway? |
| 07:10.34 | duanear | apt-get upgrade "strongly recommended" a reboot |
| 07:10.46 | nkuttler | duanear: new kernel? |
| 07:10.51 | poli | duanear: oh... that's new for me... |
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| 07:11.11 | duanear | nkuttler: version looked the same to me, but i guess it was tweaked or something |
| 07:11.40 | nkuttler | duanear: hm, there haven't been security updates for the kerenl lately. are you running stable? |
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| 07:11.49 | duanear | nkuttler: yep |
| 07:12.04 | duanear | 2.6.8.12-k7-smp i think |
| 07:12.09 | stew | soup_: bind9 automatically gets a root server list when you start it |
| 07:12.10 | poli | jm_: alsaplayer isn't playing anything. :( Can I take any conclusion from that? |
| 07:12.21 | phobo | nkuttler: sure, just trying to understand... trying to figure out how to compile the e1000 driver for 2.6.15 kernel, from a 2.4 machine :S |
| 07:12.28 | jm_ | poli: well can you? :) |
| 07:12.37 | nkuttler | duanear: i would guess that the grub config has been broken. never trust a script rewriting such things. |
| 07:12.46 | poli | jm_: and how do I debug that? |
| 07:13.09 | nkuttler | phobo: install 2.6 sources, built a package with make-kpkg? |
| 07:13.18 | duanear | nkuttler: what do i do? |
| 07:13.21 | jm_ | poli: define isn't playing |
| 07:13.36 | nkuttler | duanear: you have to go to the box i guess |
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| 07:13.53 | nkuttler | duanear: how long did you wait yet? |
| 07:14.01 | phobo | nkutter: how do i install the 2.6.15 source? i presume i could only get 2.6.8 with apt-get? |
| 07:14.02 | poli | jm_: I have moving bar and correctly identified the file, but no sound coming from the speakers at all. |
| 07:14.13 | nkuttler | phobo: don't use apt-get |
| 07:14.16 | jm_ | poli: right, did you read ALSA FAQ and unmuted the channels? |
| 07:14.34 | poli | jm_: yes... alsamixer seems just fine too. |
| 07:14.49 | phobo | nkuttler: are you implying to get from kernel.org then?? or what? |
| 07:15.21 | duanear | nkuttler: alright. |
| 07:15.21 | duanear | thanks |
| 07:15.33 | poli | phobo: If you are on sarge, get it from backports.org or apt-get.org |
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| 07:17.03 | ice_1963 | you can get kernel-image-2.6.15.1 from sid or etch |
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| 07:17.54 | jm_ | poli: show me the Item line for Master and PCM |
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| 07:19.45 | comsa | weres woody |
| 07:20.18 | nkuttler | wait, wasn't devfs remove somewhere before 2.6.15 and sarge relies on it? |
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| 07:21.11 | jm_ | Sarge doesn't really rely on it |
| 07:21.57 | nkuttler | ok |
| 07:22.01 | stew | nkuttler: the sarge installer used it, but it was not required post-install |
| 07:22.22 | rss | Who moderates debian-isp mailing list? |
| 07:22.22 | jm_ | but yeah, devfs is no longer an option in 2.6.15 |
| 07:24.57 | phobo | is there any reason that less-than-full-CD-size ISOs don't contain the source required to run "make" ... would mean you could more easily get hardware going during the install |
| 07:25.43 | jm_ | that would require a live cd, not an installation cd |
| 07:26.09 | stew | phobo: becuase there is no source code to compile on the cd, what for example would you be compiling? |
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| 07:27.31 | stew | phobo: i guess to more accurately answer you question. the make package isn't on the netinst cd becuase it is not part of the base pacakges, only base is on the netinst cd |
| 07:27.48 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:27.49 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:28.11 | rastaval | !vi |
| 07:28.11 | dpkg | vi is probably said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or vim is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see vi tutorial, or apt-get install vimpart for KDE users, or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
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| 07:28.39 | _ninja | when starting up, does the rc scripts move from runlevel 0 to runlevel 1, 2, 3, or does it go strait from 0 to 3 |
| 07:28.40 | rastaval | !jed |
| 07:28.40 | dpkg | Jed is a free editor. Jed makes extensive use of the S-Lang library, which endows it with a powerful S-Lang macro language. Features: Color syntax highlighting - a variety of programming modes (with syntax highlighting) are available including C, C++, FORTRAN, TeX, HTML, SH, python, IDL, DCL, NROFF (more). http://space.mit.edu/~davis/jed/ |
| 07:28.58 | rastaval | kewl jef |
| 07:29.01 | rastaval | kewl jed |
| 07:29.09 | _ninja | !rc.d |
| 07:29.09 | dpkg | Debian is not DedRat. There is no /etc/rc.d/*. Everything you want is in /etc/*. try (on debian) 'man update-rc.d', or ask me about <red hat tools> |
| 07:29.18 | jm_ | _ninja: read README.runlevels.gz |
| 07:31.56 | _ninja | jm_, thanks |
| 07:32.43 | keherman | anyone know sed well? |
| 07:32.54 | jm_ | keherman: many people do |
| 07:32.55 | deadcat | keherman: just ask |
| 07:33.12 | tarzeau | keherman: yes |
| 07:33.16 | keherman | input: "/some/long/arbitrary/url" output needed: everything after the last slash |
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| 07:33.30 | deadcat | keherman: basename |
| 07:33.38 | keherman | grep -i ".*/.[A-Za-z0-9_%]$" |
| 07:33.40 | jm_ | you don't really need sed for that |
| 07:33.42 | keherman | that didnt work |
| 07:33.50 | tarzeau | keherman: use what deadcat suggested |
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| 07:34.36 | deadcat | keherman: why you complicating the situation? |
| 07:34.48 | keherman | deadcat, i dont know other ways |
| 07:34.54 | keherman | deadcat, looking at basename now |
| 07:35.00 | keherman | man is not helpful |
| 07:35.01 | phobo | kill a .ko need recompiling to work with smp kernerl (and otherwise not different) |
| 07:35.05 | phobo | (will a) |
| 07:35.27 | deadcat | phobo: you will need to compile the driver for the current kernel |
| 07:35.35 | Guerin | phobo: the magic might be different, but you can try forcing it |
| 07:35.43 | keherman | piping to basename not working |
| 07:35.48 | Guerin | phobo: better to just rebuild the thing |
| 07:36.02 | phobo | ok |
| 07:36.13 | deadcat | keherman: man basename and see how the command works |
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| 07:36.19 | keherman | deadcat, i did |
| 07:36.25 | keherman | im doing info coreutils now |
| 07:36.29 | deadcat | keherman: ya. so dont freakin pipe it |
| 07:36.30 | keherman | since man is junk |
| 07:36.37 | deadcat | keherman: i said man basename |
| 07:36.39 | keherman | deadcat, i NEED to pipe it! |
| 07:36.47 | keherman | data is coming from somewhere else! |
| 07:36.59 | deadcat | info is for pussies |
| 07:37.05 | keherman | he i agre |
| 07:37.18 | deadcat | keherman: tell us what you really want to do. |
| 07:38.08 | keherman | echo "/my/long/url" | basename --> output "url" |
| 07:38.18 | keherman | i said before, i want everything after the final slash |
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| 07:38.34 | deadcat | keherman: i said before. why not basename /my/long/url ? |
| 07:38.35 | keherman | grep -i ".*/[A-Za-z0-9_%]$" |
| 07:38.43 | keherman | deadcat, the input is random! |
| 07:38.45 | keherman | not static |
| 07:38.46 | deadcat | keherman: thats not what grep is for |
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| 07:39.01 | deadcat | keherman: so basename $input |
| 07:39.44 | keherman | deadcat, no i mean, i want to make sure only lines that meet that spec are allowed |
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| 07:40.10 | keherman | i was mistaken |
| 07:40.24 | keherman | i really want to find strings that look like urls |
| 07:40.52 | deadcat | you lost me |
| 07:41.19 | keherman | if the input is "/dfd/sdfsdf/sfsdf/asasd" that is okay |
| 07:41.51 | keherman | but i dont want input like "/sdasd/asdasd/ada/asdd?___4_4_cc?asd?foo |
| 07:42.15 | deadcat | keherman: oh. then you asked thw wrong question i think. |
| 07:42.17 | deadcat | shit |
| 07:42.19 | keherman | i want grep to filter all lines that dont end with /[A-Za-z0-9_%] |
| 07:42.27 | keherman | yes i did originally |
| 07:42.32 | keherman | it _is_ later here... |
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| 07:42.40 | jm_ | grep has -v switch |
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| 07:42.47 | keherman | jm_, yes i know |
| 07:43.35 | keherman | like ,i mean why doesnt this work |
| 07:43.36 | keherman | echo "ajhash/302/sdsd%20_" | grep -i ".*/[A-Za-z0-9_%]$" |
| 07:43.51 | keherman | grep is not detecting the "/" |
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| 07:44.26 | jm_ | it is, you don't know how to construct regexes |
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| 07:44.33 | keherman | i want grep to show all lines that have ".*" followed by a "/" and then [range] |
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| 07:44.39 | keherman | yes, the slash is not working |
| 07:44.43 | jm_ | it is |
| 07:44.56 | deadcat | grep "/[a-zA-Z0-9]\+$" ? |
| 07:45.00 | liable | escape/ |
| 07:45.45 | jm_ | naah not in grep |
| 07:46.13 | Agrajag- | with openvpn, how should i go about adding command line arguments when starting it? i want to add --auth-user-pass-verify |
| 07:46.23 | keherman | so im just an idiot then |
| 07:46.26 | keherman | i see :-) |
| 07:46.31 | keherman | man i need some sleep |
| 07:46.42 | keherman | the .* is retarded |
| 07:46.52 | jm_ | yeah you don't really need .* there |
| 07:47.06 | deadcat | jm_: i think he was matching only 1 char after the / |
| 07:47.18 | jm_ | deadcat: yes :) |
| 07:47.29 | deadcat | that dont do him no good (= |
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| 07:49.00 | deadcat | can someone confirm if systemimager works on sparc machines? |
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| 07:51.14 | _pp | Hi, why does debian require me to install packages (X pkgs) when I run apt-get remove libxext6? That is very stupid. |
| 07:51.49 | Paivakil | _pp: because something else which depends on libxext6 is installed? |
| 07:52.11 | _pp | how do I find what it is? |
| 07:52.29 | nkuttler | _pp: what are you trying to do? |
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| 07:52.38 | deadcat | _pp: apt-cache depends package |
| 07:52.44 | liable | tis a little starnge |
| 07:52.49 | _pp | remove |
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| 07:52.57 | _pp | remove 'libxext6 libxi6 libxt6 libxv1' without installing more stuff |
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| 07:53.16 | Boukensya | hey guys.. My apache is failing to start without telling me why, where would I track down the reason? |
| 07:53.17 | _pp | will try it deadcat, thx |
| 07:53.32 | deadcat | Boukensya: /var/log/apache/ |
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| 07:54.07 | Boukensya | deadcat, there is error.log and access.log there, but I couldn't seem to find a reason why it wasn't starting from those logs |
| 07:54.11 | Boukensya | maybe I need to dig further |
| 07:54.28 | _pp | libxext6 |
| 07:54.28 | _pp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:54.34 | liable | sure it isnt starting? |
| 07:54.39 | _pp | I can't remove X stuff w/out messing with libc, hmm |
| 07:54.42 | nkuttler | _pp: why do you want to remove those libs? |
| 07:54.47 | _pp | i don't use X |
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| 07:54.51 | deadcat | _pp: you using debian? |
| 07:54.55 | _pp | it's console only system |
| 07:54.56 | _pp | yes |
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| 07:55.02 | nkuttler | _pp: /msg dpkg remove x |
| 07:55.07 | _pp | thx |
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| 07:55.47 | Boukensya | the last error in the error log is from feb 12th... |
| 07:56.20 | Boukensya | so nothing from the 15th |
| 07:56.29 | nkuttler | Boukensya: hm, how do you start apache? |
| 07:56.43 | Boukensya | /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 07:56.46 | Boukensya | or restart |
| 07:56.49 | Boukensya | or stop, then start |
| 07:56.50 | _pp | is it safe to remove libc6 if i'm not using X? |
| 07:56.57 | deadcat | no |
| 07:56.58 | nkuttler | _pp: hell no |
| 07:56.59 | liable | no! |
| 07:57.01 | _pp | ok |
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| 07:57.05 | phobo | hehe |
| 07:57.19 | namez | using cfdisk. reported two partitions hda1 (bootable) and hda3. So the MBR is on hda1, right? |
| 07:57.31 | liable | hda |
| 07:57.38 | Guerin | namez: MBR isn't on a partition |
| 07:57.47 | liable | mbr isnt part of a partiton |
| 07:57.53 | Guerin | namez: MBR is always on a block device, in your case hda |
| 07:57.54 | liable | !lose me |
| 07:57.54 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 07:57.58 | Boukensya | all it says is this: Starting apache 2.0 web server... failed! |
| 07:58.02 | Guerin | liable: too much xxxx |
| 07:58.02 | namez | ok, thks. |
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| 07:58.13 | Guerin | Boukensya: rtfl |
| 07:58.32 | liable | Guerin: heh, that is actually true. :) dont normally drink it though :) |
| 07:58.39 | Boukensya | ? |
| 07:59.04 | liable | Guerin: off soon? |
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| 07:59.20 | jm_ | 12 more days ;) |
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| 07:59.27 | hesco | Boukensya: read your log with tail -f /var/log/apache in anbother window. You have a configuyration issue. |
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| 08:00.13 | namez | so if i use cfdisk to change hda3 to bootable and remove hda1 partition, there should be no problem of booting up? |
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| 08:00.25 | Guerin | Boukensya: read the fucking logs |
| 08:00.29 | Boukensya | hesco, cheers |
| 08:00.31 | Guerin | liable: 8 days |
| 08:00.37 | Guerin | tick tick tick tock |
| 08:00.51 | Guerin | namez: bootable is irrelevant to *n?x |
| 08:01.08 | Guerin | namez: bootable only matters to dos and early windows, I thinks |
| 08:01.40 | Guerin | jm_: decided to leave on the 24th, since that's the second to last boat |
| 08:01.52 | ApEtc | part #asterisk-unregistered |
| 08:01.54 | Guerin | booking on the last boat, on the last day we have a visa, would be Unwise |
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| 08:02.15 | Guerin | apart from that, it's a plausible reason to get out of the country half a week earlier ;) |
| 08:02.26 | namez | Guerin: hda1 is WinXP. i am going to remove it and am worrrying about whether it would affect my booting up of Linux. |
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| 08:02.46 | Guerin | namez: nope. |
| 08:02.58 | Guerin | namez: not if your MBR is alread on the drive. |
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| 08:03.03 | DeeJay | I got a problem, i just fucked up my networking on my server but its beeing fixed... So i realised i might not be able to do this my self, so i was wondering, when my server gets back online if anyone could help me thru do so i my networkcard has 5 ip addresses? |
| 08:03.22 | namez | Guerin: ok. will go ahead and do it. report back later. |
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| 08:04.14 | _pp[hamas] | install libx11-6 x11-common in order to upgrade libxext6; remove libxext6; remove libx11-6 x11-common |
| 08:04.15 | _pp[hamas] | done |
| 08:04.27 | Guerin | DeeJay: man interfaces - look at the bit about virtual interfaces |
| 08:04.34 | Guerin | DeeJay: eth0:0 and so on |
| 08:05.32 | DeeJay | oki |
| 08:05.32 | DeeJay | i just added and eth1 which made my server die :| |
| 08:05.32 | namez | have removed the WinXP partition. will have to confirm that i can boot-up. bye. |
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| 08:05.44 | Guerin | !bless namez |
| 08:05.44 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child namez, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 08:06.05 | Usiu | Hi, is it possible to make config for kernel from the current configuration ? |
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| 08:06.44 | Usiu | I mean I have default kernel, but only some modules were loaded I would like to save config only with those modules |
| 08:06.48 | Usiu | any ideas ? |
| 08:07.56 | jm_ | Usiu: ls /boot |
| 08:08.11 | Usiu | jm_, sure there is config but default one |
| 08:08.16 | Usiu | jm_, with everything |
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| 08:08.45 | Usiu | jm_, is it possible to save confing only with currently used (detected) configuration ? |
| 08:08.55 | spanglesontoast | hi how can I get more screen resolutions? |
| 08:09.22 | jm_ | Usiu: copy it over, run make oldconfig, then change it as you wish |
| 08:10.28 | Usiu | jm_, ok its by default... but I dont want this... there many modules which I dont know where they belong... I cant find even specyfication for my labtop :( |
| 08:10.39 | nkuttler | Usiu: no. you can take the output of lsmod and build those modules, but that won't be all you need |
| 08:10.43 | epsilon | Usiu: which kernel versions? |
| 08:10.47 | nkuttler | Usiu: what laptop? |
| 08:10.54 | Usiu | maxdata eco 3150x |
| 08:11.03 | Usiu | and I get freez on ACPI ;/ |
| 08:11.10 | Usiu | with new kernel |
| 08:11.13 | Usiu | default on works |
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| 08:11.31 | Usiu | epsilon, 2.6.15 |
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| 08:12.16 | jeffrin | help me |
| 08:12.22 | Usiu | nkuttler, then it would be great if I could clear config to disable everything, use lsmod to add those, and check myself and add everything that lsmod didnt list. |
| 08:12.24 | jeffrin | what is this.... tcsetattr: Invalid argument |
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| 08:13.49 | namez | hi, i am back i.e. boot-up is ok after removing the WinXP partition. |
| 08:14.13 | nkuttler | Usiu: look at lspci as well, apt-cache search hardware detect, make a list |
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| 08:14.46 | yos87 | hi |
| 08:15.27 | Eclipser | how would I change user password? (user forgot his password and I, as root, have no idea what it might be :) |
| 08:15.28 | yos87 | I Download the gtksee last version, but It's not running |
| 08:15.35 | spanglesontoast | anyone? you know how to get the display thing so I can get extra resolutions up |
| 08:15.36 | spanglesontoast | ? |
| 08:15.40 | DeeJay | How can i mount my harddrive ? using some recovery tool to try get back into my original /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:15.46 | jm_ | Eclipser: man passwd |
| 08:16.04 | hesco | Eclipser: passwd username |
| 08:16.18 | nkuttler | DeeJay: recovery tool? is it broken? |
| 08:16.26 | DeeJay | No my interfaces file is |
| 08:16.29 | DeeJay | I need to fix it :| |
| 08:16.35 | nkuttler | DeeJay: man interfaces |
| 08:16.41 | DeeJay | eh sure |
| 08:16.41 | DeeJay | But |
| 08:16.53 | DeeJay | I still need to mount my harddrive to get the interfaces file i need to fix |
| 08:16.58 | Eclipser | jm_, hesco, thanks |
| 08:17.09 | nkuttler | DeeJay: why would the drive not mount? |
| 08:17.10 | DeeJay | The current system is loaded into the ram |
| 08:17.19 | nkuttler | DeeJay: man mount? |
| 08:17.19 | DeeJay | As i said, a recovery tool |
| 08:17.23 | DeeJay | THERE IS NO MAN PAGES |
| 08:17.24 | DeeJay | ffs |
| 08:17.35 | nkuttler | mount device mountpoint ffs |
| 08:17.38 | jm_ | you can find man pages on-line ... |
| 08:17.48 | DeeJay | k |
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| 08:18.01 | DeeJay | I dont even know which hdxx my hdd is :| |
| 08:18.12 | jm_ | cat /proc/partitions |
| 08:18.13 | nkuttler | DeeJay: wtf recovery tool do you use? |
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| 08:18.21 | nkuttler | jm_: you assume it's linux |
| 08:18.22 | DeeJay | nkuttler wtf i dont know : |
| 08:18.22 | DeeJay | :) |
| 08:18.37 | nkuttler | *plonk* |
| 08:18.39 | Usiu | nkuttler, is there somekind of automagic for that ? |
| 08:18.44 | jm_ | nkuttler: would he have rw access to Linux partitions from other OS-es? |
| 08:18.51 | Usiu | nkuttler, those tools dont say much... |
| 08:19.06 | nkuttler | jm_: the partition is not mounted. which is his problem (as he is trying to make us believe) |
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| 08:19.36 | DeeJay | They arent nkuttler |
| 08:19.51 | jm_ | nkuttler: I don't see how that matters to my question - the idea is that he would try it with a system that would give him rw access to the files |
| 08:20.10 | namez | I have created a new partition with the free space, 32G. cfdisk shows it is of type Linux where as the current partition is Linux ext2. cfdisk provides no choice for ext2. |
| 08:20.28 | namez | not a problem, i suppose. |
| 08:20.29 | sep | namez, it wont become ext2 before you mkfs it that |
| 08:20.36 | jm_ | namez: there's no type for ext2, they all use the same type (Linux) |
| 08:20.46 | MrNaz | ok now guys for the first time i'm trying out reiserFS... while i doubt i'm going to run into a bug where all other users before me havent, i'd just like to ask you guys anyway whether using it on ALL my non-swap partitions is going to cause me problems or if there's anything I need to watch out for |
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| 08:21.05 | Guerin | MrNaz: why do you hate your data so much? |
| 08:21.15 | sep | MrNaz, i did. lost 700GB of data. |
| 08:21.20 | Guerin | MrNaz: you could just take your drive out and hit it with a big hammer |
| 08:21.23 | sep | (had backups so ok) |
| 08:21.31 | sep | !reiserfs |
| 08:21.31 | graytron | what should /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug contain in debian sarge? |
| 08:21.32 | dpkg | from memory, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 08:21.32 | Guerin | it'd be faster and leave you more time for drinking beer |
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| 08:21.36 | MrNaz | okie dokis |
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| 08:21.44 | namez | now which would be the easiest way to make a copy of my installation in hda3? i raised this before. some suggest mv, some rsync. |
| 08:21.55 | jm_ | namez: cp will do fine |
| 08:21.58 | Guerin | namez: i favour rsync |
| 08:22.02 | Guerin | or cp -a |
| 08:22.13 | MrNaz | thats a "dont use reiserfs" if i ever heard it |
| 08:22.21 | Guerin | rsync has a progress meter, which is good if you like to watch such things |
| 08:22.23 | namez | can i use cp -r ? |
| 08:22.35 | DeeJay | Can i force it to mount my /dev/sda ? I dont know what file fs there is on |
| 08:22.37 | Guerin | namez: no, because it doesn't preserve times and permissions and so on |
| 08:22.38 | sep | MrNaz, but seriouslt if none used it it woudnt improve and become better. so if you can afford to be a testbunny and write bug reports when it failes do use it. if it's something you'r going to depends on use ext3 |
| 08:22.38 | jm_ | graytron: /sbin/hotplug usually AFAIK |
| 08:22.48 | jm_ | graytron: might differ with recent versions of udev |
| 08:23.03 | namez | important thing is that it must be a mirror image of the current installation. |
| 08:23.06 | graytron | jm_: i'm running sarge |
| 08:23.10 | Guerin | sep: ricerfs isn't going to improve. ricer4 might |
| 08:23.25 | jm_ | graytron: I have /sbin/hotplug on my Sarge system where I have it enabled |
| 08:23.26 | soup__ | anyone here use sbc yahoo dsl? |
| 08:23.34 | graytron | jm_: thanks a lot |
| 08:23.36 | Guerin | !anyone use sbc yahoo dsl? |
| 08:23.37 | dpkg | No, no one uses sbc yahoo dsl, not even the people who use it. |
| 08:23.50 | sep | Guerin, that was my intention.. altho not my word :P |
| 08:23.55 | Guerin | herh |
| 08:23.56 | MrNaz | sep if reiserfs is so bad then why is it in debian sarge? |
| 08:24.12 | Guerin | MrNaz: some people like to live on the edge |
| 08:24.15 | MrNaz | also, i've been told many times over that its a high performance stable fs |
| 08:24.24 | sep | MrNaz, fir you to have an option |
| 08:24.27 | graytron | jm_: do you run udev there? |
| 08:24.29 | MrNaz | Guerin i didnt think debian sarge release team were among them |
| 08:24.32 | Guerin | MrNaz: and sarge also has to be able to read and write /home dirs and so on from other distros |
| 08:24.45 | jm_ | graytron: no, just hotplug |
| 08:24.46 | Guerin | MrNaz: they aren't, but they recognise that some debian users are |
| 08:24.52 | DeeJay | Guys please help me out, 'mount -t ext3 /dev/sda /mnt/myserver/' wont work |
| 08:25.00 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 08:25.01 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 08:25.03 | graytron | jm_: oh, i have udev installed |
| 08:25.06 | sep | MrNaz, nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to use it. and it is not 100% sure your going to loose data. it's just not as safe as ext3 |
| 08:25.11 | Guerin | tell it to get a haircut and a real job |
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| 08:25.22 | graytron | jm_: i made a stupid mistake as root |
| 08:25.25 | MrNaz | this is the first time i've had such vehement anti reiserFS opinions... is it *really* that bad or are you guys exaggerating? |
| 08:25.45 | SlammerXP | MrNaz: it really is that bad. I've had first hand huge data corruption experience |
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| 08:26.14 | graytron | anyone using udev in debian sarge, could you tell me the output of "cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug" ? |
| 08:26.17 | MrNaz | sep im not saying i'm being forced... because i know 0 about FS stability i'll use whatever is recommended to me and sounds reasonable |
| 08:26.39 | MrNaz | SlammerXP / sep ok how about XFS? is that a good option? |
| 08:26.46 | jm_ | graytron: udev in Sarge depends on hotplug, so it's likely to be the same |
| 08:26.51 | Guerin | MrNaz: google reiserfs corruption |
| 08:26.57 | SlammerXP | MrNaz: I don't use it myself, but xfs has a very good reputation for stability |
| 08:27.01 | MrNaz | amphi have you had any issues? do you use it on a production server? |
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| 08:27.04 | Guerin | xfs is fine if you have redundant power |
| 08:27.14 | graytron | jm_: ok. thanks |
| 08:27.24 | MrNaz | Guerin i thought journalling FSes like XFS were designed to tolerate power outs |
| 08:27.33 | Guerin | if you don't have redundant power, then it can nuke stuff if there's a powercut or unexpected shutdown |
| 08:27.37 | SlammerXP | hmm, why does locales want to remove base-config ? |
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| 08:27.54 | Guerin | MrNaz: not xfs. XFS is designed explicitly for environments with redundant power. Like SGI labs. |
| 08:28.18 | Guerin | if you have to ask what filesystem, use ext3 |
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| 08:28.24 | namez | i have updated my /etc/fstab to reflect the change. how do i create a fs in the new partition so that it can be mounted? |
| 08:28.36 | Guerin | namez: mkfs |
| 08:28.44 | namez | thks |
| 08:28.56 | soup__ | ext3 is nice if you run XP/2K on the same drive... at least then in XP/2K you can read the ext partitions |
| 08:29.10 | Guerin | sep: not natively |
| 08:29.12 | Guerin | soup__: |
| 08:29.18 | MrNaz | Guerin while i appreciate your help, i'd like to indicate my distaste for the "if you have to ask about the issue you cant understand it" brand of answers. |
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| 08:29.42 | Guerin | MrNaz: well, you can dislike it as much as you like, but that's how it is. |
| 08:29.44 | MrNaz | the fact that i'm asking means im trying to find out more |
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| 08:29.51 | soup__ | Guerin: there's an ext2/3 driver out there that works pretty nicely |
| 08:29.51 | yos87 | hi, |
| 08:30.05 | MrNaz | Guerin yes i'm sure you were born with lots of knowledge on FS reliability and scalability. |
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| 08:30.08 | mhall | MrNaz: indicating this dislike is not likely to get Guerin in particular to do anything differently, except perhaps to further annoy |
| 08:30.10 | Guerin | soup__: but it's not a native windows driver, it's some third-party hack |
| 08:30.15 | yos87 | I had download gtksee software, but it's not running |
| 08:30.16 | yos87 | http://gtksee.berlios.de/ |
| 08:30.24 | sep | MrNaz, i use XFS for my backup partition that stores files > 10GB each |
| 08:30.31 | mhall | MrNaz: i hereby notify you that abandoning the conversation is a better idea |
| 08:30.33 | Guerin | MrNaz: nope. I used ext3 until I'd done my own research. Including what you're doing now. |
| 08:30.39 | yos87 | there is no any excutable file, |
| 08:30.39 | sep | MrNaz, and ext3 for everything else |
| 08:31.10 | namez | mkfs /dev/hda1 give this msg: mkfs.ext2: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size |
| 08:31.15 | MrNaz | sep yea i've heard XFS is great for working with large files... |
| 08:31.20 | mhall | namez: dmesg | grep hd |
| 08:31.27 | Guerin | it's *insanely* fast with large files |
| 08:31.31 | Guerin | I was astounded |
| 08:31.38 | mhall | mmhmm; w00t to that |
| 08:31.40 | Guerin | but it needs redundant power |
| 08:31.46 | mhall | i love working with big files on XFS |
| 08:31.49 | mhall | like pr0n and such |
| 08:31.51 | MrNaz | Guerin yea... i have a box which currently is using ext3... but i have a new box and i'm evaluating options |
| 08:32.00 | mhall | small file performance isn't bad either |
| 08:32.04 | mhall | but not quite like reiser |
| 08:32.16 | mhall | then again it doesn't delete your data, which is a big plus |
| 08:32.21 | Guerin | well, if you can afford to lose data on it, go hard. |
| 08:32.29 | aeg | HI, i had a error with ipsec after a upgrade ... i'm on sarge .. any help on this ? |
| 08:32.30 | liable | or go home. |
| 08:32.49 | sep | MrNaz, my whole backup run was reduced from 5 to 3 houers when i swapped to XFS... im still not certain it was XFS's benefit. i just havent been able to figure out what else it could be... |
| 08:33.10 | liable | i supposedly do, last 1-5 mins.. cheap chinese shite.. |
| 08:33.27 | namez | this was extracted fr dmesg. no hda1 there. hda: 78156288 sectors (40016 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(33) |
| 08:33.31 | namez | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.35 | aeg | Unknown symbol in module crc32c_le |
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| 08:34.02 | soup__ | Guerin: personally I don't care if someone else wrote it... haven't had any problems with the driver yet... though I don't use it all that much |
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| 08:34.09 | mhall | namez: can't mount a part that doesn't exist |
| 08:34.14 | sep | MrNaz, migh hve been some network gear too, but we didn't expect speed increase from that |
| 08:34.17 | mhall | namez: better peek at 3 and 4 |
| 08:34.20 | MrNaz | this is a DB server, running postgres, a production box... i absolutely cannot afford to lose data... but id also like the best performing filesystem for the DB... are there any other options than ext3, Reiser3/4, XFS ? i've heard good things about IBM's JFS... |
| 08:34.28 | `Rage | does anyone know why a mounted NTFS volume that mount shows as RW, constantly says the volume is RO when trying to write to it, under Debian Etch? |
| 08:34.43 | mhall | MrNaz: ok, production box, so it has battery backup |
| 08:34.50 | liable | htf do you have part 3 and 4 without one and 2 |
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| 08:34.56 | mhall | liable: trivial |
| 08:34.59 | MrNaz | mhall it's in a data center |
| 08:35.02 | Guerin | soup__: ok. I've heard it's marginally more reliable than linux ntfs write support, and for similar reasons. |
| 08:35.16 | mhall | liable: when you hit n in the editor, then just make it #2, 3, or 4 |
| 08:35.21 | namez | mhall: 'peek at 3 and 4', what does that mean? |
| 08:35.22 | Guerin | MrNaz: if it's in a datacentre, it hass redundant power. |
| 08:35.25 | sep | MrNaz, each of your applications would like different fs's that's why we use ext3 for such a multipurpouse box. it is not great at anything but good at everything and stable as rock |
| 08:35.30 | mhall | namez: hda3 and hda4 ffs |
| 08:35.38 | MrNaz | with battery backup, diesel generator with one weeks fuel on hand at all times |
| 08:35.43 | Guerin | MrNaz: either that or your datacentre is not a datacentre |
| 08:35.46 | mhall | MrNaz: yeah ok then just use XFS |
| 08:35.51 | namez | mhall: don't get u. |
| 08:35.56 | sep | MrNaz, read at postgres and see what they recomend ? |
| 08:36.05 | Guerin | MrNaz: xfs sounds like the ticket then. |
| 08:36.06 | liable | mhall: erm, are you sure about that? |
| 08:36.11 | MrNaz | sep : well i spoke to a few PG admins, they recommended ReiserFS :P |
| 08:36.12 | soup__ | `Rage: the ntfs drivers don't do any writing by default... the newest driver can write to files but the write has to be the same size of the file |
| 08:36.12 | mhall | namez: You can't mount hda1 because it does not exist. |
| 08:36.23 | mhall | namez: So please mount hda3 or hda4 instead or it won't work. |
| 08:36.24 | `Rage | soup: oic :( |
| 08:36.24 | Guerin | MrNaz: i know of no reasons niot to use xfs except that it's flakey on crashes and power outage. |
| 08:36.26 | `Rage | thanks :) |
| 08:36.31 | liable | mhall: editor? |
| 08:36.34 | sep | MrNaz, well use reiserfs then and have good backups :) |
| 08:36.35 | mhall | liable: fdisk |
| 08:36.40 | namez | so how to make it appear to the system? should i re-boot? |
| 08:36.40 | MrNaz | haha |
| 08:36.42 | mhall | liable: and yes i'm sure |
| 08:36.59 | namez | mhall:so how to make it appear to the system? should i re-boot? |
| 08:37.00 | MrNaz | you guys have worried me about the whole thing... i think i'm just going to use ext3 |
| 08:37.09 | sep | MrNaz, (you should have good backups no matter what fs you use tho) |
| 08:37.23 | Guerin | MrNaz: disk i/o is rarely going to be the limiting factor in a database server |
| 08:37.26 | Guerin | well |
| 08:37.42 | Guerin | it depends what you're doing; I'm presuming raid for speed and other such |
| 08:37.43 | liable | mhall: ok |
| 08:37.44 | mhall | namez: Did you create it in a partition editor? If so, you are not allowed to see new partitions on a mounted disk until reboot. |
| 08:37.48 | MrNaz | sep i take protection seriously, its a raid0+1 array with nightly backups and a once a week backup to a remote server over the internet |
| 08:38.01 | sep | MrNaz, ext3 jfs and xfs are all production quality fs's |
| 08:38.13 | namez | mhall: i think a re-boot will solve it. bye. |
| 08:38.21 | mhall | MrNaz: Calm the hell down and use XFS. DBs use big files, set the noatime flag for speed. |
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| 08:39.27 | Guerin | MrNaz: projection |
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| 08:39.31 | mhall | MrNaz: You're getting all paranoid over nothing. |
| 08:39.35 | Guerin | !tranquilise mhall |
| 08:39.35 | mhall | !murder Guerin |
| 08:40.16 | MrNaz | Guerin / sep thanks for the info... for the time being i think i'm going to go with ext3 though... my only faults with production boxes have been PSUs dying... and if XFS doesnt like that then i'll stick with ext3 |
| 08:40.34 | MrNaz | until i get a server with redundant PSUs |
| 08:40.58 | Guerin | guerin@house:~ $ dpkg -P lounge |
| 08:41.00 | Guerin | damnit |
| 08:41.14 | Guerin | if only cleaning house was as easy as debian |
| 08:41.39 | _pp[hamas] | psus shouldn't die after less than 10yrs of service |
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| 08:43.31 | liable | Guerin: haha, you should have threatened to fail a couple of students unless they cleaned your house :) |
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| 08:43.53 | sep | Guerin, i tried that but kids's have dependency on it. so it broke :( |
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| 08:46.22 | BriajWrk | hi all |
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| 08:47.24 | Arafangi1n | What the heck is "/USR/SBIN/CRON"? (Yes, it's in all caps, that's what is appearing in my 'ps aux' command) |
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| 08:48.51 | jm_ | haha |
| 08:49.18 | Arafangion | jm_: At first I thought it was a cracker, but I don't think it is. |
| 08:50.13 | debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.46 | jm_ | Arafangion: naah it's normal, check your logs too |
| 08:51.34 | Arafangion | jm_: Interestingly, it didn't bring the server down - but it did congest my internet connection. |
| 08:51.52 | Arafangion | debian: You running a mixed distro? |
| 08:51.55 | jm_ | Arafangion: what did? |
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| 08:52.34 | Arafangion | jm_: Something using port 11822 |
| 08:52.44 | jm_ | Arafangion: netstat should identify it |
| 08:52.51 | debian | arafangion: so what should i do now |
| 08:53.08 | Coweater | debian: run apt-get -f install like it says |
| 08:53.35 | Arafangion | jm_: It didn't, I have a suspicion it's related to fetchmail |
| 08:53.41 | bodq | does anybody have mplayer-marillat working correctly on etch? |
| 08:54.03 | Coweater | bodq: works fine here |
| 08:54.11 | Arafangion | debian: You running a mixed distro? |
| 08:54.13 | jm_ | Arafangion: how did you run it? |
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| 08:54.31 | bodq | ok, does anybody have problems with mplayer-marillat not working correctly on etch? :) |
| 08:54.46 | Arafangion | jm_: I'm checking out my auth.log, it's not looking good. |
| 08:54.51 | DeeJay | Why wont this work, http://pastebin.com/557321 |
| 08:54.57 | DeeJay | Thats my interfaces file |
| 08:55.18 | debian | Coweater: using -f i got the same error |
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| 08:55.33 | debian | Arafangion: now how to solve this problem |
| 08:55.42 | Coweater | debian: not -f, -f install |
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| 08:56.11 | Arafangion | jm_: Looks like a damn dict attack on my sshd |
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| 08:56.27 | sep | is there a script that can go tru your pending upgrades remove all things that have registered bugs (apt-listbugs) and upgrade the rest ? |
| 08:56.31 | sep | etch |
| 08:56.49 | jm_ | Arafangion: ahh use one of the scripts to block them |
| 08:56.50 | Arafangion | sep: For your sake, I hope that doesn't exist. |
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| 08:57.15 | Arafangion | jm_: I only allow one user in via ssh, and the password's long and random. |
| 08:57.30 | sep | Arafangion, all i want it a list that i can feed. so i dont have to install one and one package |
| 08:57.31 | Guerin | Arafangion: fail2ban is your friend |
| 08:57.51 | jm_ | Arafangion: yeah but it's better to block such attempts anyway |
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| 08:58.03 | Guerin | i'd just like to pimp opie again |
| 08:58.05 | Arafangion | Yup. Looks like he didn't get in, anyway. |
| 08:58.09 | Arafangion | Guerin: Thanks for the tip. |
| 08:58.10 | Guerin | opie is the *sheyit* |
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| 08:59.35 | Arafangion | Guerin: Couldn't fail2ban be constued as a dos? |
| 09:00.00 | Guerin | Arafangion: it's configurable |
| 09:00.07 | Arafangion | Thanks. |
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| 09:00.52 | streuner_ | fuck, its not in sarge |
| 09:00.57 | Guerin | nah :( |
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| 09:01.30 | Guerin | i just run my sshd on a different port, which solves the automated problem |
| 09:01.32 | soup__ | is dig in a seperate package? |
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| 09:01.43 | Guerin | soup_: dnsutils |
| 09:02.08 | Guerin | streuner_: it should work in sarge - it's just python and iptables, I think |
| 09:02.19 | soup_ | Guerin: ty |
| 09:02.28 | Guerin | or perl |
| 09:02.35 | Guerin | i forget which |
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| 09:05.08 | soup_ | heh jelly-ho |
| 09:05.23 | debian | Coweater: i have used the following command "apt-get -f install mozilla-firefox" still getting the same error http://pastebin.com/557319 |
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| 09:06.09 | liable | theres the recent module that works for sarge.. |
| 09:06.18 | rockbar | can anyone help me? |
| 09:06.32 | jm_ | liable: but that's not available in Sarge kernels |
| 09:06.49 | liable | jm_: erm, working on my sarge box. |
| 09:07.01 | rockbar | i have install debian this webbased download version..and when i want to log in...i dont can enter the password.. :( its always wrong |
| 09:07.06 | rockbar | what can i do ? |
| 09:07.20 | Guerin | rockbar: what url did you download it from? |
| 09:07.23 | liable | jm_: unless i hit the crack pipe to hard again.. :) |
| 09:07.29 | rockbar | mom Guerin |
| 09:07.37 | Guerin | rockbar: i'm not your mother. |
| 09:07.50 | Guerin | and I bet you didn't download it from your mother |
| 09:07.50 | rockbar | ye i say moment pls.. i search |
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| 09:08.31 | spanglesontoast | does anyone have the apt sources to do a dist-upgrade to etch |
| 09:08.39 | Guerin | tea ... it's what the gods drink when they can't get beer |
| 09:08.54 | Guerin | spanglesontoast: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 09:09.18 | liable | Guerin: iced coffee! |
| 09:09.22 | rvalles | Does debian unstable's grub support splashscreens? |
| 09:09.33 | Guerin | liable: it's below zero here |
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| 09:09.43 | Guerin | rockbar: more to the point, who cares? |
| 09:09.49 | Guerin | rvalles: ^ |
| 09:09.50 | liable | Guerin: that stops you drinking beer? |
| 09:10.00 | spanglesontoast | ty mate |
| 09:10.00 | Guerin | liable: no. It stops me from drinking iced coffee. |
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| 09:10.03 | nkuttler | rvalles: it did two years ago. not sure about today. |
| 09:10.03 | rockbar | Guerin http://www.debian.org/CD/ there i download |
| 09:10.05 | Guerin | NOTHING stops me from drinking beer |
| 09:10.23 | rockbar | the netinst image |
| 09:10.36 | Guerin | rockbar: ok. During the install you were asked for a username and password. If you can't remember them, you probably need to do the install again |
| 09:10.48 | Guerin | suggest you write them down this time |
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| 09:10.54 | rockbar | i have install 4 or 5 times... |
| 09:10.59 | rockbar | i know my password.. |
| 09:11.14 | rockbar | but i dont can write it..i must type enter and then can i type it.. |
| 09:11.28 | rockbar | and this is all the time wrong.. |
| 09:11.34 | jm_ | liable: actually no, it's me - it was added a long time ago, I must be thinking of something else |
| 09:11.42 | namez | i have created a fs with mkfs on the new partition and able to mount it. now for the interesting part. can the cp command take fs as source and dest? |
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| 09:11.45 | rvalles | nkuttler: aw. |
| 09:11.50 | Guerin | rockbar: where it says 'login', you should type theusername you chose |
| 09:11.58 | Guerin | rockbar: and the corresponding password |
| 09:12.14 | rockbar | ye at login i type "rockbar" my username |
| 09:12.19 | rockbar | and then come Password: |
| 09:12.24 | Guerin | namez: you don't want to move the whole filesystem, only its contents |
| 09:12.36 | rockbar | and behind this : i dont can enter the password i have entered in the config |
| 09:12.43 | Guerin | namez: so you want cp -a /whatever/old/partition /whatever/new/partition |
| 09:12.47 | namez | what would be the cp -a source and dest? |
| 09:12.49 | rockbar | i dont can enter anything..i first must press enter |
| 09:13.07 | Guerin | rockbar: the password doesn't show while you're typing it |
| 09:13.12 | Guerin | rockbar: that's normal |
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| 09:13.17 | Guerin | rockbar: just type it and hit enter |
| 09:13.24 | spanglesontoast | just wanna make sure is that correct ? deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
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| 09:13.30 | rockbar | its altimes _ < ? |
| 09:13.40 | rockbar | i think when i type a password *** this come |
| 09:13.40 | liable | jm_: heh |
| 09:13.48 | Guerin | rockbar: nope. no * |
| 09:13.51 | namez | cp -a /dev/hda3 /dev/hda1 where hda3 is old partition, right? |
| 09:14.00 | rockbar | hm ok thanks..i want to reinstall... brb |
| 09:14.00 | jm_ | namez: no, use mount points |
| 09:14.01 | rockbar | :) |
| 09:14.05 | Guerin | namez: no, that's trying to copy the devices |
| 09:14.17 | jm_ | namez: read hard disk upgrade miniw howto |
| 09:14.32 | Guerin | rockbar: you don't need to reinstall |
| 09:14.39 | Guerin | just type the username and password |
| 09:15.06 | namez | Guerin: u just said "cp -a /whatever/old/partition /whatever/new/partition" |
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| 09:15.24 | Guerin | namez: yes. Where they're mounted. Not the actual partitions. |
| 09:15.40 | Guerin | namez: sorry. Since you said you'd mounted them, I figured that was clear. |
| 09:16.16 | namez | i just do 'mount /dev/hda1', without problem. |
| 09:16.31 | Guerin | where is it mounted? |
| 09:17.28 | namez | can i do 'mount /dev/hda1 /' and mount /dev/hda3 /', then the cp -a command? |
| 09:17.30 | MZM | anybody knows why my Debian console is bw? how to force it to use colors? |
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| 09:18.16 | stew | MZM: it shouldn't be black and white. try ls --color / |
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| 09:18.44 | stew | jee, i need to go to bed |
| 09:18.47 | liable | MZM: edit .bashrc, its all there, but commented |
| 09:19.17 | Guerin | namez: where are the fucking things mounted? |
| 09:19.49 | namez | Guerin: mount to the root, /. |
| 09:19.58 | liable | namez: you cant mount 2 partitions to / |
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| 09:20.09 | Guerin | namez: / is the old one. Where is the new one mounted/ |
| 09:20.15 | Guerin | namez: type 'mount' to see |
| 09:20.27 | namez | it can be arbitrary? |
| 09:20.45 | Guerin | it IS in a specific fucking place |
| 09:20.53 | namez | i want cp the files from the / of one part to the / of the other. |
| 09:21.03 | keta | namez: only if you mounted /dev/urandom somewhere :D |
| 09:21.11 | Guerin | it CAN be arbitrary, but if it's mounted it currently is not arbitrary |
| 09:21.16 | MZM | bu why its comented? I can't use aptitude w/o colors :( |
| 09:21.35 | Guerin | namez: read the goddamned dusk upgrade howto like jm_ said |
| 09:21.36 | namez | Guerin: / is what i want to mount both. |
| 09:21.43 | Guerin | namez: you can't |
| 09:21.49 | Guerin | namez: go read the damn howto |
| 09:21.54 | liable | haha, dusk upgrade, you even type in kiwi! |
| 09:22.35 | Guerin | liable: shuddup |
| 09:22.56 | namez | mount /dev/hda3 /, mount /dev/hda1 newpart. then cp -a / newpart. is this ok? |
| 09:22.59 | spanglesontoast | does debian sarge some with the ntfs driver? |
| 09:23.04 | spanglesontoast | *come |
| 09:23.20 | liable | Guerin: couldnt resist :) |
| 09:23.34 | Guerin | liable: http://feayn.org/~lewis/wombat.jpg |
| 09:23.48 | jm_ | spanglesontoast: kernel has limited NTFS support, so yes |
| 09:24.07 | Guerin | namez: yes, but you need to exclude /tmp, /dev, /proc and newpart |
| 09:24.09 | fluxdude | can someone remind me, if I put a * in the second field of the passwd file instead of an x, it disables the user account, right? |
| 09:24.12 | liable | Guerin: i dont want to see kiwi porn! :P |
| 09:24.32 | spanglesontoast | ah ok |
| 09:24.41 | jm_ | fluxdude: not if shadow passwords are in use, and '*' and 'x' achieve the same result ... |
| 09:25.00 | namez | Guerin: i want to cp everything over, no exclusion. |
| 09:25.10 | namez | starting from /. |
| 09:25.32 | fluxdude | jm_: oh, it's the shadow file to do that to then |
| 09:25.42 | Guerin | namez: if you think about that, you'll see why it ain't possible |
| 09:25.52 | fluxdude | but that loses the password, so usermod -L username might be better> |
| 09:26.02 | jm_ | fluxdude: you don't understand, man 5 shadow |
| 09:26.36 | TraceGreen | hello, when i run locale-gen, if the first line in /etc/locale.gen is utf8, then i use utf8? |
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| 09:27.00 | namez | Guerin: in the very beginning i said i want to make a complete image of my installation in a new partition. |
| 09:27.08 | jm_ | TraceGreen: /msg dpkg locales |
| 09:27.14 | fluxdude | no, if you add it to the front of the $jumbledhash, is that what you're saying? |
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| 09:27.57 | Guerin | namez: look, you dumb motherfucker. / contains newpart. if you copyeverything in / to newpart, youu're in a recursive loop. |
| 09:28.23 | Guerin | namez: it's like siphoning water out of a tank into the same tank and wondering why it never gets empty |
| 09:28.29 | TraceGreen | jm_, i mean, my $LANG is not utf8, does it mean i just in the enviroment of $LANG? |
| 09:28.39 | rockbar | so back.. i have login,...then come rockbar@debian:~$ |
| 09:29.02 | rockbar | what must i enter there to start?! .. its first time linux..sorry for this question.. |
| 09:29.20 | Guerin | rockbar: type su |
| 09:29.27 | Guerin | rockbar: and enter your root password |
| 09:29.33 | rockbar | okay |
| 09:29.34 | keenboy | Hello, I wonder if anybody can help? I have built two servers using sarge, both servers have pretty much the same packages and services running. The problem I am having is that I cannot telnet to the servers on port 25 remotely. Can someboby point me in the right direction? thanks |
| 09:29.36 | rockbar | i test it |
| 09:29.37 | Guerin | rockbar: then type 'tasksel' |
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| 09:29.49 | fnor | hi ! |
| 09:30.08 | MZM | liable: can You be more precise - where in .bashrc is sad that my console mus be bw and not color? |
| 09:30.11 | resiak | keenboy: You should'nt be using telnet, you sholud be using ssh |
| 09:30.14 | namez | Guerin: u motherfucking son-of-a-bitch, you jm_, r one fucking bunch of bullshitters, who doesn't know enough to lead any one to doing anything simple. fuck u bastards. i shaft a red-hot iron up the arse of u two. |
| 09:30.30 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:30.33 | resiak | Woah, nice exit |
| 09:30.34 | Guerin | !customer |
| 09:30.34 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 09:31.35 | rockbar | so Guerin then come the debian software selection.. |
| 09:31.40 | jm_ | TraceGreen: type locale charmap to get it |
| 09:31.42 | Guerin | yeah |
| 09:31.44 | keenboy | I am only using telnet to test the connection on port 25. I am hitting a firewall which portforwards all traffic on port 25 to the server. |
| 09:31.46 | jm_ | bwahaahaha |
| 09:31.49 | Guerin | rockbar: now follow the instructions |
| 09:31.52 | rockbar | where i can select what install |
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| 09:32.10 | rockbar | ye..but when i have select one... in the underline come /home/rockbar#: |
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| 09:32.15 | rockbar | what i must enter? Oo |
| 09:32.22 | konfuzed | MZM: man bashrc |
| 09:32.37 | apikoros | what's the best bittorrent client, in your opinion? i've used bittorrent-curses until now but i want to select a specific file from a large torrent, and i don't think it's capable of that. i hate azureus, so that's out.. but any other suggestions are welcome. |
| 09:32.42 | resiak | !best |
| 09:32.42 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 09:32.51 | resiak | apikoros: rtorrent, but it's not in Sarge |
| 09:33.02 | apikoros | resiak, i'm running etch |
| 09:33.07 | resiak | Well then :-) |
| 09:33.11 | TraceGreen | jm_, i mean, i want to read some windows charactors in linux. my locale is GB2312, LANG=zh_CN.GB2312, then i can't read these characters. even if i set LANG=zh_CN.UTF8, it is not work |
| 09:33.19 | apikoros | resiak, great, i found it :) |
| 09:33.30 | MZM | konfuzed: nope. Debian comes without such manpage |
| 09:33.45 | jm_ | TraceGreen: do you have it available? you can convert text from one encoding to another using iconv utility |
| 09:33.57 | fluxdude | which command is it to tell you if the user account is enable or disabled? |
| 09:34.01 | konfuzed | MZM: man bash |
| 09:34.07 | rockbar | Guerin read it? :) |
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| 09:34.36 | apikoros | fluxdude, cat /etc/passwd | grep username? :P |
| 09:35.02 | konfuzed | apikoros: grep username /etc/passwd |
| 09:35.05 | fluxdude | which field determines it though, cos it can also be determined by the /etc/shadow file |
| 09:35.09 | Guerin | rockbar: just follow the instructions |
| 09:35.16 | nkuttler | resiak: can rtorrent change priorities and bandwith limits without restarting? |
| 09:35.16 | rockbar | there are no instructions.. |
| 09:35.20 | Guerin | rockbar: i can't see what yoiu can see, so just mess about |
| 09:35.22 | konfuzed | less typing involved with longer explanantions |
| 09:35.24 | apikoros | fluxdude, if it has a password and a shell, it's enabled |
| 09:36.27 | resiak | nkuttler: I believe so. Been a while since I torrented stuff, though. Try it and see? |
| 09:36.32 | rockbar | also...there are the selections.what to install...and there is a black underline..."debian/home/rockbar# _" |
| 09:36.47 | Guerin | nkuttler: hell yeah. |
| 09:36.48 | rockbar | i do not see not more..then that |
| 09:36.53 | Guerin | rtorrent is the bomb |
| 09:37.06 | nkuttler | nice. time to replace bittornado. |
| 09:37.22 | jm_ | although you need the very latest version for priorities |
| 09:37.32 | rockbar | :( |
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| 09:38.49 | apikoros | guerin, bah, but the machine i actually run all my torrents from is my slack server |
| 09:39.00 | apikoros | which means i have to compile rtorrent :( apt spoiled me |
| 09:39.04 | keenboy | I am having trouble using telnet on port 25 to connect remotely to two similar sarge boxes. Each box is behind a firewall which port-forwards all port 25 traffic to them. |
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| 09:39.13 | Guerin | apikoros: it bnuilds cleanly |
| 09:39.21 | resiak | Install Debian on it, apikoros! |
| 09:39.24 | keenboy | i must add each box is on an entirely different network |
| 09:39.46 | rockbar | ah help me :p |
| 09:40.12 | MZM | bw console is some Debian specific security feature to keep peo |
| 09:40.23 | apikoros | Guerin, yeah, just have to get some dependencies |
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| 09:40.46 | MZM | people off using aptitude? |
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| 09:41.04 | uzer | Hi everybody |
| 09:41.11 | konfuzed | MZM no |
| 09:41.18 | konfuzed | MZM: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/examples/bash.bashrc |
| 09:41.31 | rockbar | can anyone help me? also...there are the software selections .what to install...and there is a black underline..."debian/home/rockbar# _" |
| 09:41.33 | konfuzed | theres a section on colrizing ls |
| 09:41.39 | konfuzed | MZM: use it or dont |
| 09:41.51 | uzer | someone could tell me how can i make mi pc shut down with out pushing power??? |
| 09:42.00 | MZM | konfuzed: im not talkig about ls but aptitude and mc |
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| 09:42.33 | konfuzed | MZM: talk to aptitude developer and mc |
| 09:42.34 | resiak | uzer: shutdown -h now, as root |
| 09:42.45 | konfuzed | ah -h |
| 09:42.46 | rockbar | :\ |
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| 09:43.04 | konfuzed | is that for hard shutdown |
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| 09:43.15 | uzer | resiak: but i also must push the power botton to power off |
| 09:43.24 | dinesh | -p ? |
| 09:43.25 | konfuzed | no for halt |
| 09:43.25 | jm_ | uzer: you need ACPI or APM support in kernel ... |
| 09:43.34 | rockbar | what shell i do ..:( |
| 09:43.38 | konfuzed | hm shutdown -hp npw |
| 09:43.42 | rockbar | there are nothing instructions.. |
| 09:43.43 | konfuzed | hm shutdown -hp now |
| 09:44.10 | uzer | jm_: is there a grafic tool to configur kernel |
| 09:44.15 | rockbar | hmm |
| 09:44.20 | rockbar | pls ppl help me |
| 09:44.24 | fatal_ | uzer: make gconfig |
| 09:44.25 | konfuzed | rockbar: type man man |
| 09:44.27 | jm_ | uzer: Debian kernels have that enabled, you just load the modules |
| 09:44.28 | fatal_ | uzer: make xconfig |
| 09:44.37 | konfuzed | rockbar: just try it |
| 09:44.47 | rockbar | man man? |
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| 09:45.02 | konfuzed | type on your keyboard at the shell prompt |
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| 09:45.08 | rockbar | oO |
| 09:45.24 | konfuzed | then hit enter |
| 09:46.33 | oWo2002 | Hi! I just installed Sarge and I can't properly configure Xfree for my Radeon R100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] Could someone help me plz? |
| 09:47.17 | apikoros | oWo2002, have you looked if anyone with a similar setup posted their config file to the web? |
| 09:47.42 | konfuzed | oWo2002: would using xorg make any difference |
| 09:47.50 | uzer | fatal_: i should make xconfig from wich directory??? |
| 09:48.19 | oWo2002 | apikoros: off course yes... |
| 09:48.25 | oWo2002 | konfuzed: no :\ |
| 09:49.44 | oWo2002 | In fact, When I use vesa driver, It looks OK but drm don't work, and when I use ati or radeon driver (which are supposed to work) my desktop is 800x600 with extendable desktop |
| 09:49.52 | apikoros | oWo2002, people report it works under xorg |
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| 09:51.10 | wily_ | hi all people! |
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| 09:51.57 | apikoros | oWo2002, try this: http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:iISWFXPhFfcJ:log.emmanuelebassi.net/2004/10/+Radeon+7000/VE+debian&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=6&client=firefox |
| 09:52.16 | apikoros | "The only way of making a ATi Radeon 7000 work with my 17? monitor was to enable the Radeon framebuffer device inside the kernel (you might want to load the module during the boot sequence, but I strongly suggest recompiling the kernel with the framebuffer device built-in), and change the Device section inside the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file like this: |
| 09:52.16 | apikoros | " (he follows with an example) |
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| 09:53.09 | Shadur | apikoros: Isn't there a binary radeon driver as well? |
| 09:53.18 | wily_ | i've a problem with smbclient |
| 09:53.23 | apikoros | i have no idea, i've never used a radeon card |
| 09:53.31 | apikoros | i'm just poking around google for useful material |
| 09:53.46 | wily_ | i don't reach to obtain access into 'MSHOME' net |
| 09:53.57 | liable | MZM: alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 09:54.23 | oWo2002 | apikoros: ok, thanks, I tried but radeonfb make my X hang :\ |
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| 09:57.34 | konfuzed | MZM: theres likely a config file for mc and synaptic that you can set colours or other things |
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| 09:58.16 | nacho_ | debian español?? |
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| 09:58.38 | streuner_ | !es |
| 09:58.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 09:59.53 | liable | !fglrx |
| 09:59.53 | dpkg | from memory, fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
| 10:00.10 | liable | Shadur: ^^ |
| 10:00.48 | liable | !+info fglrx |
| 10:00.49 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 10:00.53 | konfuzed | liable does that meanati in general is not usually worth the effort |
| 10:00.54 | dpkg | Package 'fglrx' does not exist. |
| 10:01.11 | liable | konfuzed: yes, apparently it does.. |
| 10:01.22 | konfuzed | sad |
| 10:01.37 | konfuzed | ati has done some good things |
| 10:01.44 | konfuzed | but obviously this was not one of them |
| 10:01.48 | MZM | konfuzed: mc, aptitude etc. output IS color, but I see it as bw |
| 10:01.49 | streuner_ | i think the factoid 'talk' about non-debs... |
| 10:02.00 | resiak | uzer: Are you using a 2.6 kernel? If not, try that. |
| 10:02.12 | resiak | uzer: You do not need to compile a kernel yourself |
| 10:02.15 | keenboy | Anybody know why I cant telnet to my sarge box on port 25? |
| 10:02.19 | konfuzed | MZM: then how do you know the output is colour |
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| 10:02.38 | tarzeau | keenboy: nothing's listening on your box? |
| 10:02.40 | tarzeau | on that port |
| 10:02.52 | tarzeau | keenboy: check with nestat -na (or -plunt if it's linux) |
| 10:02.59 | tarzeau | ah sarge, must be linux |
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| 10:03.15 | keenboy | mmmm I can telnet localhost 25! |
| 10:03.18 | liable | @hi |
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| 10:03.19 | ravenbird | Many greetings, liable, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 10:03.35 | tarzeau | keenboy: then it's only listening on localhost or you didn't configure yoru network cards |
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| 10:03.42 | xota_ | pero es enlightment |
| 10:03.43 | MZM | konfuzed: I can switch mc to bw mode and then I see it as bw, but as mc is in color mode i see only a gray square with some white text on it (where it is white also in color mode) |
| 10:04.14 | xota_ | excuse me, i escape from the other window ;) |
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| 10:04.56 | keenboy | tarzeau: How do I change it so it listens to alternatives? |
| 10:04.58 | konfuzed | MZM: so then you want to sett the background colour and font colour from the defaults perhaps |
| 10:05.07 | tarzeau | keenboy: what says ifconfig -a ? |
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| 10:05.37 | liable | MZM: this box only has console? |
| 10:05.58 | MZM | liable: no. from ssh works as charm |
| 10:06.44 | keenboy | tarzeau: everything seems to be ok, I can connect via ssh, http etc but not port 25 (smtp) |
| 10:07.15 | tarzeau | keenboy: which smtpd do you run? |
| 10:07.25 | MZM | if I set term to vt100, I get working bw version, but with other terms (default = linux) I have broken color mode :( |
| 10:07.25 | liable | MZM: more details. the box has x? when you shell from it? to it? more info. |
| 10:07.51 | keenboy | not sure to be honest, what is the best way to find this out? |
| 10:08.38 | tarzeau | keenboy: telnet localhost 25 and look what it says |
| 10:08.46 | MZM | liable: no X, ssh to = color OK, ssh from to other boxes - broken color |
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| 10:09.22 | rockbar | when i am there "debian:/home/rockbar~$" what i must do for start ?! |
| 10:09.34 | keenboy | tarzeau: esmtp exim! |
| 10:09.42 | tarzeau | keenboy: dpkg -l | grep exim |
| 10:09.50 | tarzeau | keenboy: which version of it? there's 3 and 4 |
| 10:09.58 | tarzeau | rockbar: startx |
| 10:10.05 | rockbar | in the manual only stand the commands.. |
| 10:10.07 | keenboy | tarzeau: 4.50 |
| 10:10.09 | rockbar | not how to start it |
| 10:10.10 | rockbar | :| |
| 10:10.34 | liable | MZM: locally ok? |
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| 10:11.19 | konfuzed | MZM: oh I was gonna say maybe your terminal type is screwing up the look |
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| 10:11.51 | lehmann | hi folks |
| 10:11.57 | konfuzed | that would be settings in your terminal program and not anything on your debiab box after login |
| 10:12.00 | MZM | konfuzed: yeah, I was thinking about same, but Im not strong in term types etc |
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| 10:13.04 | konfuzed | MZM: which terminal type gives you the colours that you want to see |
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| 10:14.07 | MZM | konfuzed: vt100 = correct bw, linux, xterm-color, ansi = broken |
| 10:14.20 | konfuzed | vt101? |
| 10:14.48 | MZM | I dont have vt101 |
| 10:15.20 | konfuzed | or what ever else try them all to be sure which gives you the best and then start with that one |
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| 10:15.36 | konfuzed | or do you say that is already vt100 |
| 10:15.40 | keenboy | tarzeau: I have two similar sarge boxes with the same problem, both are behind firewalls that forward all port 25 traffic to them. |
| 10:15.52 | konfuzed | did you try the others |
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| 10:16.11 | konfuzed | keenboy: mail sucks |
| 10:16.20 | alex1 | hello all |
| 10:16.37 | keenboy | your telling me, its great when it works! |
| 10:16.59 | liable | !be a mail barbie |
| 10:16.59 | dpkg | Aww, mail is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
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| 10:17.28 | keenboy | I was wondering if there were known issues with sarge and telnet? |
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| 10:17.44 | azeem | keenboy: "it's insecure" |
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| 10:17.47 | liable | keenboy: no |
| 10:18.15 | alex1 | how to get java not in source list |
| 10:18.33 | keenboy | I can 'telnet localhost 25' thats fine....... |
| 10:18.52 | keenboy | but when I telnet from an external address it fails! |
| 10:19.38 | petemc | keenboy: check with netstat if the machine is listening on all interfaces, if so, you're probably firewalled |
| 10:19.53 | jm_ | alex1: read the topic |
| 10:20.02 | konfuzed | keenboy: thats a good thing |
| 10:20.03 | alex1 | when you issue the command ps aux what does it achieve |
| 10:20.05 | konfuzed | use ssh |
| 10:20.05 | keenboy | The firewall has special portforwarding rules set to allow the connection |
| 10:20.25 | keenboy | I never use telnet other than to test smtp |
| 10:20.40 | konfuzed | keenboy: right i was thinking else weres |
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| 10:21.13 | konfuzed | keenboy: does it work from localhost |
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| 10:21.19 | petemc | he said it does |
| 10:21.25 | konfuzed | on the mail server in question |
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| 10:21.55 | konfuzed | well i cant read everything while mkaing a sandwhich |
| 10:22.06 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.14 | keenboy | netstat -l is saying that smtp is listening! |
| 10:22.23 | petemc | keenboy: so your forwarding isnt working |
| 10:22.31 | keenboy | konfuzed: yes |
| 10:22.36 | konfuzed | petemc: have some chocolate you'll sleep better |
| 10:23.13 | keenboy | petemc: well I have the same rule but different port for ssh and that works! |
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| 10:23.39 | ChrisW | what mta do people here recommend? |
| 10:23.48 | keenboy | exim |
| 10:23.50 | petemc | 4 |
| 10:23.51 | konfuzed | postfix |
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| 10:23.57 | liable | postfix |
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| 10:24.12 | tijn | well thats helpfull isnt it :D |
| 10:24.19 | rockbar | can anyone say me an easy install linux disturbation? |
| 10:24.26 | ChrisW | okay, now can you say why? |
| 10:24.27 | tijn | 2 against 2 :D |
| 10:24.37 | rockbar | :\ i dont understand how to install this debian.. |
| 10:24.41 | konfuzed | rockbar: debiab |
| 10:24.43 | konfuzed | rockbar: debian |
| 10:24.55 | ChrisW | rockbar: don't then ;-) |
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| 10:24.57 | rockbar | konfuzed but i dont know..how to come in the design interface.. i |
| 10:25.00 | keenboy | rockbar: server or dektop? |
| 10:25.05 | rockbar | desktop |
| 10:25.11 | keenboy | kubuntu! |
| 10:25.23 | liable | ffs |
| 10:25.25 | keenboy | debian based, nice! |
| 10:25.30 | konfuzed | rockbar: edubuntu |
| 10:25.44 | konfuzed | but remember to type workstation |
| 10:25.48 | ChrisW | liable: you rang? ;-) |
| 10:25.53 | rockbar | hmm? |
| 10:26.01 | Arafangion | So, what causes the /USR/SBIN/CRON issue? |
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| 10:26.13 | rockbar | look..i am login in debian..but then "debian:/home/rockbar~$" |
| 10:26.15 | MZM | it seems that Debian ships without any color term |
| 10:26.25 | ChrisW | liable/konfuzed: why postfix? |
| 10:26.27 | rockbar | and then i dont know..how to finished this installation or to come in the workstation interface blabla |
| 10:26.45 | ChrisW | petemc/keenboy: why exim? |
| 10:26.50 | spanglesontoast | grrr perl keeps moaning |
| 10:26.56 | petemc | ChrisW: why not try them both out |
| 10:26.56 | Arafangion | ChrisW: postfix is nice and very flexible. |
| 10:26.59 | liable | ChrisW: try and make sense of exim4's config files and docs, then get back to me. |
| 10:27.03 | konfuzed | chrisq: life is simpler and sufficiently secure |
| 10:27.14 | spanglesontoast | about the locale... |
| 10:27.18 | petemc | liable: exims config is very readable |
| 10:27.29 | Arafangion | ChrisW: And postfix was written and designed with security in mind. |
| 10:27.41 | petemc | liable: the debconf managed config is hard to read, but then its not meant to be read by a person |
| 10:27.43 | Arafangion | ChrisW: In stark contrast to sendmail. |
| 10:27.48 | ChrisW | hmm, I've had my fill of exim3, so lets try postfix ;-) |
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| 10:27.55 | liable | petemc: i found it less so.. horses for courses i guess. lucky we all have a choice :) |
| 10:28.03 | petemc | this is true |
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| 10:28.20 | Ronin | rockbar: maybe you should try #debian-de ? |
| 10:28.31 | rockbar | hm |
| 10:28.32 | rockbar | ye ;D |
| 10:28.35 | konfuzed | ChrisW: if you want to provide spam engine services you should use qmail |
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| 10:28.58 | ChrisW | hmm, okay, so where I want to put this is my dev box, which sits behind a dsl line |
| 10:29.09 | rockbar | Ronin my english i not so bad..i understand.. and i hope..you understand me :) |
| 10:29.14 | ChrisW | what I really want to do is send all mail that goes to anywhere to my mail account |
| 10:29.18 | ChrisW | how'd I do that? |
| 10:29.22 | Arafangion | Out of interest, how do many guys (or gals) here monitor their servers with the minimum of attention? (I'm about to head off to uni) |
| 10:29.43 | ChrisW | oh, and on a totally seperate note... how can I read dumps produced by tcpdump with ethereal? |
| 10:29.46 | Arafangion | ChrisW: You mean, all mail that gets sent to example.com goes to you? |
| 10:29.46 | konfuzed | ChrisW: read the postfix docs after you install it |
| 10:29.49 | liable | Arafangion: check out logwatch package |
| 10:30.08 | jm_ | chrisq: man ethereal, File -> Open ... |
| 10:30.11 | jm_ | ChrisW ^^^^^ |
| 10:30.12 | ChrisW | Arafangion: yep, it's a dev server, any mail going anywhere will be for testing... |
| 10:30.22 | ChrisW | jm_: hurm, it doesn't recognise the format |
| 10:30.25 | Arafangion | ChrisW: Good, just don't do that for a production server. |
| 10:30.33 | ChrisW | hmm, lemme find out how those dump files were created |
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| 10:30.40 | jm_ | ChrisW: how did you use tcpdump? |
| 10:30.55 | davi__ | How to know the symbols which a library .so export ? |
| 10:31.00 | Fly | hello |
| 10:31.08 | jm_ | Dave123: nm |
| 10:31.12 | jm_ | davi__ ^^^ |
| 10:31.13 | jm_ | damn |
| 10:31.25 | ChrisW | Arafangion: indeed, I won't ;-) I wanted to use nullmailer on this box, but I can't get it to talk to exim3 on my production server, and it occurs to me that I might want to fiddle with development email interefaces to issue trackers and the like ;-) |
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| 10:32.00 | davi__ | thanks jm_ |
| 10:32.04 | Arafangion | ChrisW: Postfix follows rules that designate where email goes. |
| 10:32.14 | Arafangion | ChrisW: The format is very similar to /etc/aliases |
| 10:32.16 | Fly | yesterday I updated my system , and today Xord doesn't start. I tried to load fglrx module, but nothing....does it need another module? |
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| 10:32.50 | konfuzed | Fly: i see form earlier chat that fglrx kinda bytes |
| 10:33.13 | Arafangion | Fly: You using ati? |
| 10:33.18 | Fly | Arafangion: yes |
| 10:33.19 | ChrisW | surely you mean bites? |
| 10:33.38 | konfuzed | KB |
| 10:33.44 | konfuzed | Kinda Bytes |
| 10:33.44 | Fly | what should I do ? |
| 10:33.55 | konfuzed | no Key Board |
| 10:34.06 | konfuzed | oh uh Not KeyBoard |
| 10:34.21 | konfuzed | oh wait |
| 10:34.30 | konfuzed | Just Bored |
| 10:34.34 | ChrisW | now I see how you got your nick ;-) |
| 10:34.55 | liable | heh |
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| 10:35.16 | Fly | can you help me? the xorg.conf seems the same i had |
| 10:35.23 | Fly | before update |
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| 10:35.27 | ChrisW | jm_: back to the tcpdump/ethereal question, the command used to create the dumps was: tcpdump -n -i eth0 | grep "x.x.x.x" > ~/capture.txt |
| 10:35.38 | ChrisW | arggh, is that grep in there going to stuff everything up? |
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| 10:35.48 | jm_ | ChrisW: wrong, tcpdump -w foo |
| 10:35.48 | Arafangion | Fly: You may need to recompile the ati modules. |
| 10:35.59 | ChrisW | what does the above do then? |
| 10:36.11 | jm_ | redirects text output to a file ... |
| 10:36.20 | Fly | Arafangion: in which way ? |
| 10:36.45 | Arafangion | Fly: Did you change your running kernel? |
| 10:36.57 | Arafangion | ChrisW: Nice, I had to write a C proggie :) |
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| 10:37.16 | konfuzed | hhhmmmm should I use this athlon1200 for a workstation and this AMD64 3200 for do all server or the other way around. |
| 10:37.18 | dan__ | how do I check my local ip-adress in debian-terminal? |
| 10:37.42 | Fly | Arafangion: no , i don't |
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| 10:37.43 | Arafangion | dan__: ifconfig |
| 10:37.48 | ChrisW | Arafangion: huh? |
| 10:38.06 | Arafangion | ChrisW: I had to write a C program to parse the tcpdump file in my case. |
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| 10:38.08 | ChrisW | jm_: is there a format convertor? and is that grep going to stuff things up? |
| 10:38.17 | dan__ | Arafangion, do I have to be root? |
| 10:38.22 | ChrisW | Arafangion: I just wanna open in in ethereal :-/ |
| 10:38.27 | jm_ | ChrisW: you can't load this in ethereal, you need to write it with -w and then load that |
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| 10:38.38 | Arafangion | dan__: No. It is in /sbin/ifconfig |
| 10:38.40 | riftman | dan__, no, do /sbin/ifconfig |
| 10:38.52 | Arafangion | dan__: Non-root users by default do not have /sbin in PATH |
| 10:39.24 | Arafangion | ChrisW: I wish that I could give you my program (It dumped everything into an easily parsable format, for perl), but it was a very short C program. |
| 10:39.37 | Fly | Arafangion: i don't changed the kernel....only updated packages |
| 10:39.40 | AssAssIn | Is there any 'windows style' scandisk program (to scan for dameged partitions... repairs...) |
| 10:39.42 | konfuzed | its like I dont really want to run a gui on my nagios/*@H/Apache2/postgres/mp3jukebox/torrentsdownloader server box right |
| 10:39.49 | rockbar | so i download kubuntu.. |
| 10:39.49 | buu | AssAssIn: FSCK! |
| 10:39.53 | rockbar | and want to install this |
| 10:39.54 | rockbar | :) |
| 10:39.59 | dan__ | Arafangion, /sbin/ipconfig does not work |
| 10:40.05 | AssAssIn | buu thx |
| 10:40.06 | konfuzed | rockbar: safe choice |
| 10:40.10 | rockbar | :D |
| 10:40.13 | Arafangion | dan__: InterFace CONFIGuration. |
| 10:40.26 | rockbar | in this chan only american ppl? |
| 10:40.34 | buu | YES |
| 10:40.37 | buu | GET OUT YOU DAMN FOREIGNER |
| 10:40.41 | rockbar | Oo |
| 10:40.41 | dan__ | Arafangion, sorry, I dont get it |
| 10:40.42 | konfuzed | rockbar: you are 100 keystrokes away from being logged into your kde GUI desktop |
| 10:40.44 | liable | rockbar: no, english speaking |
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| 10:40.51 | liable | buu: fuck you.. :P |
| 10:40.53 | buu | =[ |
| 10:40.58 | rockbar | buu keep cool |
| 10:40.59 | buu | liable: I'm busy right now, maybe later |
| 10:41.07 | buu | rockbar: Cool?! COOL?! |
| 10:41.13 | Arafangion | dan__: ifconfig does more than just ip links, thus why it's iFconfig, not iPconfig |
| 10:41.13 | rockbar | i can speak english too..but not so good |
| 10:41.22 | buu | rockbar: Do you understand what the forces of international communism are doing to your bodily fluids?! |
| 10:41.28 | konfuzed | this is a Canadians only channel |
| 10:41.38 | rockbar | -.- |
| 10:41.39 | epsilon | rockbar: no, if US-only, this channel had have already self-destructed |
| 10:41.45 | liable | rockbar: as long as we can understand you, then ask away |
| 10:41.53 | konfuzed | in fact just the Territory of Newfoundland |
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| 10:42.02 | Arafangion | rockbar: But I am Australian, and proud of it. |
| 10:42.06 | konfuzed | everyone adjust your clocks by half an hour and then go for a beer |
| 10:42.09 | Arafangion | konfuzed: Cool :) |
| 10:42.28 | ChrisW | *sigh* |
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| 10:42.38 | Arafangion | davi__: Actually, 'ip link show' is the newfangled way to do it. |
| 10:42.51 | Ronin | konfuzed: why adjust the clock? beer, its not just for breakfast anymore |
| 10:42.57 | ChrisW | doncha just hate going to debug something with a customer, just to find out that when you get back to the office the next day, the guy helping you on your server used the wrong tcpdump options :-/ |
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| 10:43.29 | Arafangion | ChrisW: It's a bit finiky, indeed. |
| 10:43.33 | konfuzed | Kuz this is a Territory of NewFoundLand and the local clock is 4:30 hours past greenwhich |
| 10:43.35 | Arafangion | ChrisW: I had to parse DARPA datasets. |
| 10:44.03 | jm_ | ChrisW: indeed, -w would be much better, often coupled with -s 0 |
| 10:44.09 | konfuzed | Ronin: Really it'll beok after you go and celebrate the new clock over a beer |
| 10:44.12 | ChrisW | what does -s 0 do? |
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| 10:45.05 | konfuzed | ChrisW: it depends what command you use it with |
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| 10:46.21 | MrNaz | whats the file you edit for network settings? |
| 10:46.35 | Arafangion | MrNaz: What kind of network settings? |
| 10:46.38 | jm_ | MrNaz: man interfaces |
| 10:46.45 | MrNaz | ip, subnet mask, default gateway |
| 10:46.58 | MrNaz | jm_ thats exactly what i was after thanks :) |
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| 10:48.44 | epsilon | what's recommended tool to analyse logs? |
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| 10:49.09 | liable | less? |
| 10:49.13 | konfuzed | tail /var/log/messages |
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| 10:49.24 | liable | epsilon: logwatch for a summary |
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| 10:50.07 | epsilon | I know where the logs are, but read all of them with cat/grep/less/... on all servers/clients are not possible in time |
| 10:50.09 | konfuzed | ? |
| 10:50.11 | Arafangion | ChrisW: Actually, logwatch --print sends it all to stdout. |
| 10:50.18 | usn_work | hi folx |
| 10:50.23 | Arafangion | epsilon: logwatch appears to be the tool. |
| 10:50.33 | liable | chill: yeah, helps. you dont have an mta? |
| 10:50.41 | epsilon | gonna try it |
| 10:50.55 | konfuzed | logwatch? is that like monitor logs from seeveral servers and generate reports and search functions |
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| 10:51.07 | Arafangion | konfuzed: No, single servers, but it emails them to you. |
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| 10:53.30 | konfuzed | how bout specific mail log analysis tool for flagging potential mail abuse |
| 10:53.59 | Arafangion | konfuzed: What kind of abuse/ |
| 10:54.01 | Arafangion | ? |
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| 10:54.20 | konfuzed | spam mostly |
| 10:54.32 | konfuzed | as in some form of very ligit looking spam |
| 10:54.45 | liable | konfuzed: awstats can collate mail server logs as well as apache logs, dunno exactly what you'll get |
| 10:54.57 | konfuzed | perhaps by some dumbass with a crappy script that is sending ligit spam |
| 10:55.01 | petemc | konfuzed: how could you know if it was spam from the mail logs? |
| 10:55.07 | Ronin | heh legit spam? |
| 10:55.32 | Arafangion | konfuzed: spamassassin should block 99.9% of them with minimal issues. |
| 10:55.39 | konfuzed | to a list provided by spammer who found it at dumbass.com/~secure/formmail.html |
| 10:55.45 | Arafangion | konfuzed: With work it should be able to block more, imho. |
| 10:55.59 | Ronin | Arafangion: it does, and can be tweaked very easily |
| 10:56.06 | konfuzed | all kinds of delivery failures to bogus addresses |
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| 10:56.45 | konfuzed | user secure@dumbass.com starts sending out 10000 ligit email a day that has about 100 bad addresses |
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| 10:57.25 | Arafangion | konfuzed: LEGIT, say it - LEGIT. |
| 10:57.26 | konfuzed | awstats is good stuff |
| 10:57.46 | Arafangion | konfuzed: spamassassin + a good mta that degrades nicely. (Such as postfix) |
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| 10:57.55 | konfuzed | Arafangion: in Newfy its pronounced lIgIt |
| 10:58.06 | konfuzed | or LIGIT |
| 10:58.34 | liable | err.. hostname.. |
| 10:58.47 | Arafangion | konfuzed: That is very unusual. |
| 10:58.47 | konfuzed | ligit.dumbass.com |
| 10:59.12 | Arafangion | konfuzed: It can be pronounced 'ligit' as well here, but we spell it legit. |
| 10:59.54 | konfuzed | sorry here, being #debian HERE, is noa Territory of Newfoundland. |
| 11:00.03 | konfuzed | Arafangion: havent you updated your clock yet |
| 11:00.16 | konfuzed | s/noa/now a/ |
| 11:00.32 | wily_ | hi |
| 11:00.33 | konfuzed | so here we spell it ligit too |
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| 11:00.40 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 11:00.42 | wily_ | how i can install postscript driver in cups? |
| 11:00.54 | wily_ | when i choose 'use postscript dirver' |
| 11:01.09 | Arafangion | wily_: That is practically the standard printer format on unix. |
| 11:01.14 | wily_ | debian say: impossible to find postscript driver |
| 11:02.11 | epsilon | did you install the driver for the printer? |
| 11:02.24 | wily_ | iwant to use generic printer driver |
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| 11:02.49 | konfuzed | wily_: fortunately there are only generic printer drivers |
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| 11:02.58 | epsilon | try apt-cache search linuxprinting.org |
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| 11:03.08 | Arafangion | wily_: You want something that outputs postscript? |
| 11:03.20 | Arafangion | wily_: Why not just use a2ps? |
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| 11:03.25 | varis_ | hello |
| 11:03.26 | wily_ | yes i've a postscript printer |
| 11:03.57 | Arafangion | wily_: Then... install the driver for that printer, or use RAW and hope that the ps produced by your programs work with it. |
| 11:04.33 | wily_ | my problem is that before that installation i worked with postscript driver |
| 11:04.46 | paivakil | wily_: which printer are you using? |
| 11:05.01 | MrNaz | how do you get colours in your bash shell? |
| 11:05.12 | wily_ | xerox docucolor 3535 |
| 11:05.23 | MrNaz | i have a fedora box that displays colour in the bash shell, is there a way to copy the colour theme |
| 11:05.24 | Arafangion | wily_: Anything wrong with the xerox drivers? |
| 11:05.24 | ircdevil | MrNaz: edit .bashrc |
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| 11:05.36 | wily_ | i try to install a2ps |
| 11:05.39 | MrNaz | wily_ i had a xerox colour, they keep breaking and jamming |
| 11:05.59 | MrNaz | ircdevil i'm looking in my fedora's .bashrc and im not really seeing anything that looks like a colour theme... |
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| 11:06.02 | paivakil | wily_: see if that printer can be specified while configuring |
| 11:06.04 | MrNaz | what am i looking for? |
| 11:06.08 | konfuzed | what printers dont work with debian ?? |
| 11:06.17 | liable | ls alias --colurs.. |
| 11:06.36 | paivakil | konfuzed: wrong question. |
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| 11:06.43 | wily_ | no: error is always the same |
| 11:06.45 | MrNaz | liable aah... thanks |
| 11:06.54 | wily_ | impossible to find postscript driver |
| 11:06.55 | konfuzed | paivakil: i want to be sure what not to buy |
| 11:07.12 | ootput | do any of you own an rme card for your linux box? |
| 11:07.16 | paivakil | short list some printer and look it up on linuxprinting.org |
| 11:07.17 | MrNaz | liable how do you reload a .bashrc file without logging off and on again? |
| 11:07.29 | konfuzed | paivakil: and when somebody brings me one I want to know to tell them to go and throw it out or replace it |
| 11:07.39 | ootput | or, do any of you own a matrox G450/550? |
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| 11:08.14 | wily_ | please help me.. i need printing |
| 11:08.16 | wily_ | ... |
| 11:08.28 | jm_ | wily_: did you check if any of the existing drivers works with your model? or do they provide PPD for it? |
| 11:08.32 | sep | wily_, have you installed the foomatic packages |
| 11:09.15 | konfuzed | if cups doesnt pickup the printer then I just replace the printer |
| 11:09.17 | konfuzed | its simple |
| 11:09.21 | wily_ | yes, i do |
| 11:09.29 | konfuzed | more than one way to do tings |
| 11:09.38 | wily_ | i've not find any ppd for my printer |
| 11:10.04 | konfuzed | wily_: what is your printer |
| 11:10.16 | paivakil | wily_: support for Xerox printers is very poor |
| 11:10.21 | wily_ | xerox docucolor 3535 |
| 11:10.37 | wily_ | but i used postscript dirver |
| 11:10.39 | wily_ | i need it |
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| 11:10.48 | wily_ | where is relative package? |
| 11:10.50 | E-bola | What utility is recomended if i need to encrypt a directory (not a whole device) ? |
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| 11:11.17 | liable | MrNaz: source ~/.bashrc |
| 11:11.54 | Arafangion | E-bola: What's the point of that? |
| 11:12.11 | E-bola | Arafangion? Umm to have my data encrypted? |
| 11:12.13 | Arafangion | E-bola: encryption really is an all-or-nothing thing. |
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| 11:12.32 | E-bola | Arafangion: why would i encrypt stuff that isnt sensitive? |
| 11:12.36 | jelly-ho | wily_: Generic PostScript Printer does not work? |
| 11:12.56 | wily_ | i look it.. |
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| 11:13.06 | konfuzed | Arafangion: pros and cons to everything |
| 11:13.06 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:13.07 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:13.19 | Arafangion | E-bola: For the same reason why you wouldn't encrypt your connection to irc, because the traffic from ircd to ircd is NOT encrypted. |
| 11:13.48 | Arafangion | E-bola: Likewise, encrypting just the odd directory on your hdd does nothing to prevent me from reading from elsewhere on your hd, such as /tmp |
| 11:14.13 | E-bola | indeed |
| 11:14.17 | E-bola | but /tmp isnt sensitive |
| 11:14.21 | E-bola | so why would i care if u read form tmp? |
| 11:14.22 | Arafangion | E-bola: It can be. |
| 11:14.48 | wily_ | i've not generic postscript package in my etch! |
| 11:14.53 | E-bola | maybe |
| 11:14.56 | E-bola | but thats not my concern |
| 11:15.15 | E-bola | unless i actualy open something so it goes into ram or /tmp |
| 11:15.22 | E-bola | why would ic are if /tmp is un-encrypted |
| 11:15.23 | Arafangion | wily_: Well first, what IS generic? |
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| 11:15.36 | Arafangion | E-bola: So why would you care if your directory is encrypted? |
| 11:15.48 | jelly-ho | wily_: the driver is in foomatic-filters-ppds package. |
| 11:15.50 | Arafangion | E-bola: Just make sure your computer is reasonably secure - and encrypt all communication. |
| 11:16.00 | raf256[laptop] | where are the startups for services like apache and others configured by rcconf? |
| 11:16.21 | raf256[laptop] | how to make apache and few other services to start after rcS.d/S71xserver-xorg ? |
| 11:16.34 | E-bola | Arafangion: are u serious? |
| 11:16.36 | E-bola | because its sensitive? |
| 11:16.44 | E-bola | im not sure what you are missunderstanding? |
| 11:16.47 | raf256[laptop] | I see no enry in rcS.d/ for apache, what file is making it start up |
| 11:16.58 | chill | Arafangion: what if my laptop gets stolen? |
| 11:16.59 | wily_ | i've not foomatic-filters-ppds package |
| 11:17.02 | jm_ | raf256[laptop]: read README.runlevels.gz |
| 11:17.04 | Guerin | raf256[laptop]: in /etc/rc2.d, you'll see a script called S24apache or somesuch |
| 11:17.14 | elirips | hello. i have here a rather old p3 with debian sarge installed. sometimes the machine just "reboots" - but not a propper reboot: from one second to the other the screen gets dard, and the boot-process starts from the beginning. guess some hardware is faulty, but what piece? |
| 11:17.17 | Guerin | raf256[laptop]: change the 24 to something higher than the thing you want it to start after |
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| 11:17.24 | jelly-ho | wily_: install it then! |
| 11:17.25 | wily_ | 've foomatic-filters-ppd |
| 11:17.31 | raf256[laptop] | Guerin: how should I change that? move that file to... ok. Is it ok to do it by hand by mv/ln? |
| 11:17.34 | Arafangion | chill: If you're worried about that, imho, one should encrypt the entire HDD. |
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| 11:17.38 | Guerin | raf256[laptop]: sure thing |
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| 11:17.49 | Arafangion | chill: And disable swap. |
| 11:17.51 | raf256[laptop] | debian will not overwrite that when updating apache? |
| 11:18.06 | Guerin | raf256[laptop]: rcS.d is for single user mode, when apache can't be of any use |
| 11:18.07 | raf256[laptop] | chill: there are utils to encrypt swap |
| 11:18.08 | Guerin | raf256[laptop]: no. |
| 11:18.18 | raf256[laptop] | chill: just add... |
| 11:18.29 | Guerin | raf256[laptop]: the default multi-user runlevel in debain is 2 |
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| 11:18.44 | jm_ | !debainsmite Guerin |
| 11:18.46 | wily_ | i try to install entire foomatic package |
| 11:19.08 | raf256[laptop] | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.19 | jelly-ho | wily_: do you have this on your system: /usr/share/ppd/Generic/Generic-PostScript_Printer-Postscript.ppd.gz |
| 11:19.20 | raf256[laptop] | ^-- and the swap is encrypted after reboot |
| 11:19.25 | Varis2 | btw... is it possible to migrate from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 11:19.33 | raf256[laptop] | Varis2: no. |
| 11:19.33 | Guerin | raf256[laptop]: performance hit? |
| 11:19.44 | Guerin | raf256[laptop]: for encrypted swap, I mean |
| 11:19.45 | raf256[laptop] | Varis2: once you used 2.4 you are doomed to use 2.4 forever. |
| 11:19.56 | raf256[laptop] | Varis2: if you dont, a God *will* smite you. |
| 11:20.09 | Varis2 | roger |
| 11:20.10 | raf256[laptop] | Guerin: rather not big performence hit from what I see |
| 11:20.11 | Guerin | Varis2: apt-cache search image-2.6; install one of your choosing, reboot into it |
| 11:20.23 | Guerin | raf256[laptop]: what hardware? |
| 11:20.24 | Varis2 | guerin: it did not find /dev/hda1 |
| 11:20.47 | Guerin | Varis2: can't really help you without more data |
| 11:20.50 | Varis2 | slight problem I know... |
| 11:20.58 | wily_ | jelly, no i've not |
| 11:21.00 | raf256[laptop] | well on my old laptopt ~500 hz it dont seem bad, as in: if the system swaps (which is bad), then the overhead of hardware I/O is much bigger then CPU |
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| 11:21.04 | Guerin | can't really help you at all, actually, since I'm about to hit the town |
| 11:21.09 | wily_ | i've not Generic folder |
| 11:21.15 | Varis2 | Guerin: it was trying to run stuff under /lib/udev I think and that failed... |
| 11:21.17 | Guerin | raf256[laptop]: hm, interesting |
| 11:21.22 | Guerin | ah |
| 11:21.25 | Guerin | udev |
| 11:21.32 | Guerin | all bets are off |
| 11:21.40 | raf256[laptop] | the system should not swap in the first place. btw, I must get myself to install CK swap prefatch patch |
| 11:21.59 | jelly-ho | wily_: I see the foomatic-filters-ppds package in both stable and unstable, so I reckon there should be one in etch too. |
| 11:22.34 | raf256[laptop] | and when are rc2.d files runned compared to rcS.d? |
| 11:22.38 | paivakil | wily_: your printer is not listed on linuxprinting.org |
| 11:22.39 | raf256[laptop] | after rcS.d? |
| 11:22.48 | Guerin | raf256[laptop]: yes. |
| 11:23.00 | raf256[laptop] | hmm |
| 11:23.21 | raf256[laptop] | so I suppose I will just move gdm from 99 to 20 to have faster bootup-into-desktop time |
| 11:23.25 | Guerin | S is single user. If you look at boot closely, you'll note it does single-user, then switches to 2 and does 2 |
| 11:23.27 | wily_ | i have installed foomatic-filters-ppds |
| 11:23.33 | wily_ | but Generic folder i've not |
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| 11:23.44 | Guerin | you can cut your boot time substantially by removing services from 2 which have already been run in S |
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| 11:24.41 | kozmic | is it possible to start X on a workstation to run on that workstation remotly through ssh? (need X to start so i can use VNC remotly) |
| 11:25.02 | jm_ | kozmic_: yes |
| 11:25.07 | raf256[laptop] | is makedev important? S20makedev must be before gdm? |
| 11:25.10 | Guerin | kozmic: xdmcp sounds like the ticket |
| 11:25.23 | jelly-ho | msg dpkg find |
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| 11:25.27 | Guerin | raf256[laptop]: i'd expect so |
| 11:25.50 | kozmic | jm_: how? what i in reality want is someone to sit down at the machine and type "startx". startx doesnt work remotly :( |
| 11:26.03 | jm_ | kozmic: it does if you allow it |
| 11:26.13 | Guerin | startx works remotely if you set DISPLAY correctly |
| 11:26.24 | jm_ | no ;) |
| 11:26.33 | kozmic | i've tried that.. |
| 11:26.39 | kozmic | jm_: how can i allow it? :) |
| 11:26.43 | jelly-ho | wily_: I don't know, I have it here on my etch/sid machine. Are you sure you're using Debian and not some derivative? |
| 11:26.50 | jm_ | kozmic: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
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| 11:27.05 | kozmic | jm_: thanks |
| 11:27.14 | jelly-ho | !find Generic-PostScript_Printer-Postscript.ppd.gz |
| 11:27.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Generic-PostScript_Printer-Postscript.ppd.gz' (1): (/usr/share/ppd/foomatic-rip/Generic/Generic-PostScript_Printer-Postscript.ppd.gz) in text/foomatic-filters-ppds. |
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| 11:30.53 | jelly-ho | wily_: maybe it's in /usr/share/ppd/foomatic-rip/Generic as the dpkg bot said above. If you have it now, try adding your printer and use that driver. You might have to restart cups first if the driver is not available in the GUI. |
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| 11:36.15 | blahdebla1 | HI. Can anyone recommend a groupware/portal package that supports shared calendars via Outlook, Sunbird, and web, and provides mailing lists (or something similar to them) as an integrated feature? |
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| 11:37.20 | liable | blahdebla1: and cooks breakfast too! :) |
| 11:38.03 | blahdebla1 | That would be good, but not essential. Something that can control a USB espresso machine would be much higher on my list. ;-) |
| 11:38.16 | AciD | blahdebla1 > open xchange ? |
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| 11:38.25 | AciD | + mailman |
| 11:38.46 | dllhell | Hello, How can I at the Grub menue say that Sarge should boot with the module ufs? I want to mount a ufs partition(type Solaris), but for this Sarge should detect it at boot time. |
| 11:38.47 | AciD | or kolab perhaps |
| 11:39.17 | AciD | dllhell > check /etc/modules |
| 11:39.29 | liable | dllhell: fstab |
| 11:39.50 | dllhell | liable, ??? |
| 11:39.51 | jm_ | dllhell: build it from source, Debian doesn't include ufs module for some reason |
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| 11:40.13 | dllhell | jm_, there is already a ufs module in Sarge. |
| 11:40.23 | dllhell | I can modprobe it. |
| 11:40.24 | blahdebla1 | AciD: I read about kolab, but it doesn't have the client support. Neither does Hula. I haven't checked on Open-Xchange for a while - might try again. |
| 11:40.33 | jm_ | dllhell: that's not a GRUB module ... |
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| 11:40.51 | jm_ | dllhell: or are you asking something entirely different? |
| 11:41.18 | blahdebla1 | AciD: Do any of those products *integrate* with mailman (i.e. So that it knows what's defined in mailman)? |
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| 11:41.25 | liable | either put it in /etc/modules, and put the partition in fstab or.. |
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| 11:41.55 | jm_ | if you just want to load a kernel module, do what liable and AciD said |
| 11:41.56 | dllhell | But to mount a Solaris partition I should have a line as this "p2: <bsd: p10 p11 p12 p13 p14 p15 >" at boot time. And for this I have to make that the kernel loads the ufs module. |
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| 11:42.16 | jm_ | right, not GRUB related at all |
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| 11:42.54 | AciD | blahdebla1 > I haven't checked myself |
| 11:42.59 | dllhell | jm_, I don't know how to include something in /etc/modules |
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| 11:43.14 | jm_ | dllhell: man modules |
| 11:43.17 | dllhell | I just want to load this module one time. |
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| 11:44.14 | blahdebla1 | Just threw a few of those names into freshmeat.net, and it suggested Zimbra, but it doesn't run on Debian... |
| 11:44.31 | blahdebla1 | SOrry, isn't supported on Debian - it might run for all i know... |
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| 11:45.26 | wily_ | problem with cups is unsovled |
| 11:45.35 | wily_ | i tried to reboot |
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| 11:46.35 | Paras | room, does xorg already moved to debian sarge? |
| 11:46.40 | tarzeau | !room |
| 11:46.41 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 11:46.46 | tarzeau | Paras: it will not. ever |
| 11:46.53 | wily_ | please help me |
| 11:46.56 | liable | @annoy tarzeau |
| 11:46.57 | ravenbird | tarzeau: bash: RTFM: command not found!!!!! |
| 11:47.12 | Paras | tarzeau, so still sarge has xfree86 right? |
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| 11:47.16 | wily_ | error: postscript driver not found |
| 11:47.17 | spanglesontoast | well that's a pain |
| 11:47.17 | tarzeau | Paras: yes |
| 11:47.33 | Paras | tarzeau, thankx.. |
| 11:47.35 | NightStalk3r | hello, anyone here got the at76c503 wlan driver to compile on debian sarge? |
| 11:47.43 | wily_ | in what package i find postscript driver? |
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| 11:48.04 | tarzeau | wily_: which printer? |
| 11:48.20 | spanglesontoast | when I upgraded to the echt it also upgraded to x.org |
| 11:48.25 | wily_ | xerox docucolor 3535 |
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| 11:48.35 | spanglesontoast | and for some odd reason I cannot start up x.org |
| 11:48.37 | tarzeau | wily_: www.xerox.com download it from there |
| 11:48.42 | spanglesontoast | it just kinda crashes |
| 11:48.42 | wily_ | i used it with gereric postscript driver |
| 11:48.43 | tarzeau | spanglesontoast: what error msgs? |
| 11:48.51 | tarzeau | spanglesontoast: i also have that problem with debian gnu/linux |
| 11:48.51 | spanglesontoast | well I could get them |
| 11:48.56 | tarzeau | wily_: ugh |
| 11:48.59 | spanglesontoast | I'm on a dual booter |
| 11:49.09 | spanglesontoast | so hang on let me get ext2fs thingy |
| 11:49.14 | wily_ | before this installation |
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| 11:50.25 | sep | !cups |
| 11:50.26 | dpkg | it has been said that cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 11:50.37 | sep | !cups setup |
| 11:50.38 | dpkg | from memory, cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
| 11:51.07 | sep | wily_, did you install those packages ? if you found your printer there , you should get postscript at one of the available printer drivers |
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| 11:51.33 | jm_ | sep: he claims he doesn't have Generic printer make as an option |
| 11:51.49 | jm_ | or he just doesn't know what he's doing, not sure |
| 11:51.58 | sep | jm_, humm wfm :) |
| 11:52.02 | jm_ | sep: same here |
| 11:52.03 | spanglesontoast | ok |
| 11:52.06 | wily_ | i need generic postscript |
| 11:52.08 | spanglesontoast | just pasting into pastebin |
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| 11:52.37 | spanglesontoast | http://pastebin.com/557453 |
| 11:52.39 | spanglesontoast | there we go |
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| 11:52.50 | dllhell | So I included in /etc/modules the ufs module. And rebooted my machine. But he still doesn't detect my Solaris partitions. See here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/qCRHs586.html . They are under the p1 partition. How can I now mount my Solaris partitions? |
| 11:53.02 | sep | wily_, i use postscript on all printers and i did it like cups setup said. try purging everything related to printing and doing it again. |
| 11:53.04 | S4nD3r | hey... running kaffe, may I get run applets, in my webbrowser??? |
| 11:53.15 | wily_ | ok |
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| 11:53.22 | wily_ | i reinstall all |
| 11:53.28 | wily_ | i try........ |
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| 11:53.36 | sep | umm ont all just the printing related... |
| 11:54.00 | jm_ | spanglesontoast: I see no errors there |
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| 11:54.50 | jm_ | dllhell: it's possible you also need Solaris partitions table support |
| 11:55.07 | dllhell | jm_, How can I get that? |
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| 11:55.25 | rockbar | ...i am back..i have install the kde, but i dont know how to start it, can you help me? |
| 11:55.28 | spanglesontoast | so your brain can read 800 lines a second jm |
| 11:55.49 | jm_ | spanglesontoast: actually it took way longer than that ... |
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| 11:55.58 | spanglesontoast | hmm |
| 11:56.09 | jm_ | dllhell: CONFIG_SOLARIS_X86_PARTITION option |
| 11:56.10 | spanglesontoast | is there a way of going back to xfree86? |
| 11:56.32 | rockbar | hm, |
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| 11:57.13 | rockbar | o.o |
| 11:57.25 | Varis2 | um - is there a quick way to reinstall all deb packages with the same configuration? |
| 11:57.39 | dllhell | jm_, Is there a way to look if this option is enabled in the standard kernel of Sarge 2.6.8-2-386 ? |
| 11:57.52 | Varis2 | or even with default configuration... |
| 11:57.54 | rockbar | anyone here who can help me to start kde ? |
| 11:58.16 | rockbar | i have logged on with root.. and i need a command or so to start kde |
| 11:58.17 | rockbar | :\ |
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| 11:58.46 | S4nD3r | How do I discove which ports are opened in my NFS server ?? I need to allow this port in my firewall |
| 11:58.50 | S4nD3r | *discover |
| 11:59.01 | jm_ | dllhell: sure, grep foo /boot/config-bar |
| 11:59.19 | jm_ | S4nD3r: rpcinfo will tell you |
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| 12:00.03 | rockbar | how to log in, in kdm ? |
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| 12:00.31 | dllhell | jm_, grep SOLARIS config-2.6.8-2-386 tells me: CONFIG_SOLARIS_X86_PARTITION=y |
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| 12:00.51 | jm_ | dllhell: so you have the right support then |
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| 12:01.51 | dllhell | jm_, And I inclued the ufs module in /etc/modules but he still doen't read(detect) the partitions !?! (http://rafb.net/paste/results/qCRHs586.html) |
| 12:02.11 | dllhell | What is missing? |
| 12:02.11 | Varis2 | can one fix this: debian:/home/varis# dpkg -l |
| 12:02.11 | Varis2 | dpkg: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by dpkg) |
| 12:02.28 | jm_ | dllhell: what happens if you try to mount it? |
| 12:02.44 | S4nD3r | I dont know how to allow my firewall server, that is nfs server too, allow client connections |
| 12:02.57 | mike-m | when doing an dpkg-reconfigure udev I have '/boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-1-486 was altered. Cannot update.', can I do something ? |
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| 12:03.09 | jm_ | NFS howto has some notes about firewall environments |
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| 12:04.21 | dllhell | jm_, http://rafb.net/paste/results/8CkvBW98.html |
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| 12:05.22 | dllhell | jm_, I need that the kernel detects the solaris partitions like he detected my bsd partitions. |
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| 12:07.30 | jm_ | dllhell: are you sure it's ufs? |
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| 12:07.43 | dllhell | jm_, What do you mean? The partition has the type Solaris and the Solaris partitions in that have UFS format, yes. |
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| 12:08.29 | dllhell | jm_, I mean the p1 partition you see here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/qCRHs586.html . |
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| 12:09.05 | jm_ | dllhell: I am not too familiar with how this is handled on x86 systems, but from that it looks like it's not recognizing the partition as it is for BSD slices |
| 12:09.29 | sep | dllhell, you must speify the ufstype argument |
| 12:09.35 | jm_ | dllhell: the other option is also CONFIG_SUN_PARTITION |
| 12:09.36 | sep | man mount tells you everything you need to know |
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| 12:10.00 | dllhell | sep, I have done that. Look at my rafb pastes |
| 12:10.26 | dondek | :) |
| 12:11.15 | sep | dllhell, are you entierly sure you dont have to type ufstype=sunx86 ? |
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| 12:11.53 | dllhell | sep, I can try that right away. |
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| 12:14.07 | MrNaz | whats the difference between apache2 and apache2-common packages? |
| 12:14.12 | dllhell | sep, I now tried your way. But the same answer: Wrong fs type, blah,... No, I need that the kernel first give me devices for the Solaris partitions. As he does that for my BSD partitions. http://rafb.net/paste/results/qCRHs586.html |
| 12:14.23 | si0ux | hi people! |
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| 12:15.24 | user__ | !eclipse |
| 12:15.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, eclipse is the end of the world, or an awesome extensible IDE written in Java. http://www.eclipse.org/, or get it from unstable |
| 12:16.25 | sep | dllhell, then i dont know more mount -o ufstype=sunx86 worked for me on the one time in history i needed it. |
| 12:16.41 | jim`` | Anyone got any idea about the state of NFSv4 in deb at the moment? |
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| 12:16.59 | britt | is there any hwo would one creat a very fast booting version of debian? |
| 12:17.02 | sep | dllhell, this is silly. but you have ofcouse loaded the ufs module ? |
| 12:17.10 | britt | all i need it to do is to play MP3s |
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| 12:17.38 | dllhell | sep, Yes I included it in /etc/modules and rebooted the machine just some minutes ago. |
| 12:17.41 | comsa | ipod |
| 12:17.49 | britt | $$$ |
| 12:17.51 | sep | dllhell, lsmod tells you if it's there or not |
| 12:18.02 | dllhell | sep, Yes lsmod shows me ufs module. |
| 12:18.10 | sep | dllhell, then i have no clue sorry. |
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| 12:19.59 | dllhell | sep, and jm_ Thanks for your help. |
| 12:21.46 | britt | what modules are *ESSENTIAL* to boot linux |
| 12:22.25 | britt | naa, i'll just experiment. thanks the same guys |
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| 12:24.44 | ludwig | hallo! |
| 12:24.58 | AciD | hum |
| 12:25.00 | ludwig | Since I have udev running, I cannot burn CDs any more |
| 12:25.51 | AciD | I just broke my debian :( How can you manage to remove an aliened suse package like xgl when dpkg keeps rejecting you ? : http://rafb.net/paste/results/i3kZzg20.html |
| 12:26.01 | ludwig | Does anyone know how to let it work again? "dvdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI:" results in dvdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 12:26.38 | Ronin | serves you right for usin gsuse packages AciD :) |
| 12:26.40 | Zugschlus | AciD: english please |
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| 12:27.09 | AciD | Zugschlus > I don't remember the cmd to change the locale temporarly in a term |
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| 12:27.37 | paivakil | ludwig say dev=/dev/hdd or whatever is appropriate for your system |
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| 12:29.08 | S4nD3r | Hey... Im getting crazy... |
| 12:29.15 | S4nD3r | How to block MSN in squid ??? |
| 12:29.18 | AciD | Zugschlus > http://rafb.net/paste/results/y5aEUO60.html |
| 12:29.19 | S4nD3r | Is it possible ???? |
| 12:29.27 | S4nD3r | Or I must to block in firewall too ?? |
| 12:30.07 | sep | S4nD3r, tell me when you find out |
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| 12:31.00 | sep | perhaps there is a protocol helper for msn that could detect msn.. and reject on that.. would be nice |
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| 12:33.00 | petemc | l7 filtering perhaps |
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| 12:34.07 | paivakil | umm.. wwwoffle simply died on me right now, and nmap localhost says 8080 is open; and I cannot browse any sites - browsers time out.starting wwwoffle does not help - says port 8080 is in use. What should I do? |
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| 12:35.56 | jaro | Is there any simple way how one can rebuild debian from source packages? |
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| 12:36.33 | jaro | I don't think it would be very useful but I'm just curious if it is possible. |
| 12:36.45 | petemc | anythings possible |
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| 12:36.49 | beardy | jaro: Of course it's possible. |
| 12:36.53 | jm_ | jaro: yes it is |
| 12:37.22 | Daedalus_ | jaro: No simple way that I know of. You'd have to apt-get all the source, and then compile it all individually |
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| 12:38.19 | Daedalus_ | Unless someone has ported emerge to debian... o_O |
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| 12:41.09 | ootput | hey guys, how do i force apt do install the latest version of a package that specifically isn't version: xxx |
| 12:41.44 | beardy | ootput: Use dpkg. But know what you are doing. |
| 12:42.03 | petemc | you can do it with apt too, no? |
| 12:42.09 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:44.23 | beardy | petemc: Yes. So.. |
| 12:44.28 | beardy | ootput: Read the manual. |
| 12:44.34 | S4nD3r | acl msnmsg url_regex ^http://gateway\.messenger\.hotmail\.com/gateway/gateway\.dll |
| 12:44.38 | S4nD3r | acl msnlogin dstdomain nexus.passport.com |
| 12:44.40 | S4nD3r | http_access deny msnlogin |
| 12:44.42 | S4nD3r | deny_info TCP_RESET msnlogin |
| 12:44.46 | S4nD3r | acl msnchathttp url_regex -i ^http://chat\. |
| 12:44.48 | S4nD3r | acl msnchathttp url_regex -i ^http://.*chat.* |
| 12:44.50 | S4nD3r | http_access deny msnchathttp |
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| 12:45.16 | S4nD3r | ??? |
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| 12:48.19 | S4nD3r | Is it possible to deny access to MSN, and allow access to hotmail.com site??? |
| 12:49.34 | Phated | Ports, surely? |
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| 12:52.53 | kimo_ | I got mrtg working on my DSL router. Can it tell me, which user on my network is abusing the bandwidth |
| 12:52.57 | arag|work | in the past php and apache2 did not work together well. are these issues resolved? is it now safe to install apache2 and php or should one still use apache 1.3 with php? |
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| 12:53.36 | petemc | kimo_: if you know which port on the router they connect too, prolly |
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| 12:54.01 | kimo_ | petemc: I mean web traffic ? |
| 12:54.10 | petemc | do you? |
| 12:54.15 | kimo_ | sorry no I dont |
| 12:54.16 | kimo_ | :) |
| 12:54.21 | kimo_ | any kind of traffic really |
| 12:54.29 | petemc | kimo_: i use ipac-ng to do that sort of thing |
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| 12:54.49 | mplaats | Does anyone know how to let bind resolv always to the same ip address ? |
| 12:54.50 | petemc | but i have a linux based gateway |
| 12:55.08 | kimo_ | petemc: uhh, mine is a speedtouch router |
| 12:55.11 | Rawplayer | mplaats: what do you mean? |
| 12:55.38 | petemc | mplaats: a captive portal might be what you're after |
| 12:55.42 | mplaats | Rawplayer: When a user uses the nameserver it always resolves to one ip address |
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| 12:56.23 | mplaats | petemc: Yes :) |
| 12:56.44 | petemc | theres a few out there, google.. |
| 12:57.09 | mplaats | petemc: I am looking for it now, i just had to have the right name for it :) |
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| 12:57.15 | petemc | cool beans |
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| 13:00.51 | Guerin | mplaats: what you're talking about is poisoning dns |
| 13:01.36 | Guerin | mplaats: and it's against the rules of the internet |
| 13:01.36 | coolpix | lo |
| 13:01.36 | Guerin | my isp does it |
| 13:01.48 | petemc | Guerin: that term is only appropriate when its done maliciously |
| 13:01.54 | petemc | a captive portal isnt malicious |
| 13:02.23 | ootput | beardy: sorry mate, but what am i looking for in the manpage? |
| 13:02.40 | mplaats | Guerin: It will be use to inform users that they have to use new dns server, the old resolving nameservers will be out of order at the end of this month :) |
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| 13:04.29 | dokumen | hi |
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| 13:06.26 | tm-30740 | Hello, I have an issue modifying a diff.gz for a package, what patch options should I use when generating the diff file. I currently use diff -urP but it cause dpkg-source to complain. |
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| 13:08.19 | xptical | Does anyone have a few minutes to chat about "the perfect setup" article? Or just chat about running a web server in general? |
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| 13:11.33 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: you don't use diff directly to make the file |
| 13:11.58 | tm-30740 | I have two folders with a lot of patches applied |
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| 13:12.12 | tm-30740 | I do a diff -uPr between the two |
| 13:12.35 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: that's not what the .diff.gz is for |
| 13:12.42 | tm-30740 | but I get : dpkg-source: error: diff patches file (work/qmail-1.03/base64.c 1970-01-01 01:00:00.000000000 +0100) not in expected subdirectory |
| 13:12.56 | tm-30740 | I gzip the diff once done |
| 13:13.56 | tm-30740 | The 000 are cause by my diff options |
| 13:14.03 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: you are NOT listening |
| 13:14.10 | tm-30740 | sorry |
| 13:14.30 | tm-30740 | SerajewelKS: what should i do please ? |
| 13:14.45 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: nothing. the dh_ scripts in debian/rules will make the .diff for you. |
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| 13:15.23 | tm-30740 | I am editing the qmail-src packages files (a dsc. a tar.gz and a diff.gz) |
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| 13:15.49 | jm_ | why? |
| 13:15.52 | Guerin | tm-30740: don't use qmail |
| 13:16.04 | Guerin | tm-30740: and if tou're going to, don't ask for help here |
| 13:16.07 | tm-30740 | please could we go get in "politics" issue :p |
| 13:16.23 | Guerin | tm-30740: we'll laugh at you, and when we're not laughing at you, we'll tell you to go ask DJB |
| 13:16.37 | Guerin | tm-30740: it's not a political issue, it's a technical uissue |
| 13:16.45 | Guerin | or rather, several technical issues |
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| 13:17.09 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: it doesn't matter which source package you are using. if it's properly built, it will regenerate the .diff.gz each time you build the package. |
| 13:17.14 | tm-30740 | Guerin: I am aware of the licencing issue around qmail and djbware, however I _need_ to get qmail working. |
| 13:17.29 | beardy | !need |
| 13:17.29 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. you do need beer, though. |
| 13:17.58 | mrphreak | :) |
| 13:18.02 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:18.02 | dpkg | i heard qotd84 is <Guerin> i suck, you know this. |
| 13:18.15 | Guerin | tm-30740: nothing to do with the licensing, except inasmuch as it prevents debian from disytributing a qmail package which isn't horribly fucking broken |
| 13:18.22 | Guerin | tm-30740: cheers mate |
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| 13:18.26 | Guerin | tarzeau: cheers mate |
| 13:18.40 | tarzeau | !mhall |
| 13:18.40 | dpkg | mhall is probably 10:37 < mhall> jm_: i'm an idiot; i did eval 'lesspipe' not eval `lesspipe` |
| 13:19.47 | ootput | heh |
| 13:20.08 | tm-30740 | SerajewelKS: I should be able to get things sorted once I know what format of diff is required or which application normaly does it, so I can read the code :p and move forward |
| 13:20.17 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: no |
| 13:20.23 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: you need to shut up and read what i told you |
| 13:20.29 | jm_ | he doesn't want to listen ;) |
| 13:20.41 | tm-30740 | SerajewelKS: You did not tell me what to do |
| 13:20.58 | tm-30740 | or I did not understand what you meant |
| 13:20.59 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: yes i DID. i told you that you don't need to to ANYTHING. |
| 13:21.03 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 13:21.03 | dpkg | it has been said that debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 13:21.24 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: a properly built debian package will AUTOMATICALLY rebuild the .diff.gz when you build the package. |
| 13:21.42 | jm_ | unless you tell it not to that is |
| 13:21.45 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: this is now the third time i've explained it. |
| 13:21.48 | tm-30740 | SerajewelKS: ok, let me rewind, I may have mis-expressed what I done |
| 13:22.07 | tm-30740 | I have installed the qmail-src package but i need smtp-auth. |
| 13:22.08 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: no, you haven't |
| 13:22.35 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: you never, ever, *EVER* need to modify .diff.gz manually |
| 13:22.38 | Guerin | haha |
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| 13:22.48 | Guerin | qmail doesn't even do smtp auth? |
| 13:22.52 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: if you are doing so it means you're trying to do something the wrong way |
| 13:23.02 | Guerin | 1998 called, they want their MTA back |
| 13:23.04 | tm-30740 | I have extracted the diff, applied it, applied the smtp auth, fixed the conflicts and I would like to put it back |
| 13:23.12 | tm-30740 | SerajewelKS: what way should I do ? |
| 13:23.25 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: build the fucking package |
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| 13:24.29 | tm-30740 | SerajewelKS: thanks for you help, but please don't swear.. I do not think I done anything to deserve swearing but perhaps be more a debian newbie than I am at building RPMS. |
| 13:24.39 | jelly | Guerin: qmail has to be patched for a lot of features. |
| 13:24.43 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: i swear to emphasize, not insult |
| 13:24.48 | jm_ | tm-30740: you were being stubborn, it's enough to drive people crazy when they want to help you |
| 13:24.53 | tm-30740 | SerajewelKS: ok |
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| 13:25.03 | jm_ | besides, swearing was targeted at you |
| 13:25.05 | jm_ | wasn't |
| 13:25.15 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: you ONLY need to build the package, and this is the fourth time that i have explained this |
| 13:25.18 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: just DO IT |
| 13:25.25 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: and if the .diff.gz is not updated, ask later |
| 13:25.40 | tm-30740 | jm_: I am open minded but I am missing some basic understanding, I have read the maint-guide but it is not really helping |
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| 13:25.57 | Guerin | jelly: it has to be patched to make it not triple the amount of spam it relays |
| 13:26.05 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: when someone tells you to do something to fix the issue you're having, do not try to explain all the reasons why it won't do what you want, or rephrase your question. just do it. |
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| 13:26.13 | Guerin | jelly: i'm all too familiar with qmail and its evilness |
| 13:26.17 | tm-30740 | SerajewelKS: could you please excuse my ignorance and tell me which command you expect me to do or which document to read to figure out the info |
| 13:26.22 | jelly | Guerin: eh. |
| 13:26.30 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us |
| 13:26.43 | tm-30740 | ok trying that .. |
| 13:26.46 | jelly | SerajewelKS: -b somewhere in there? |
| 13:26.51 | jm_ | tm-30740: just run debuild |
| 13:27.00 | tm-30740 | will read the manual for the command ... just give me few minutes |
| 13:27.08 | Guerin | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 13:27.15 | jm_ | jelly: no, -b will cause it not to build the source package |
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| 13:27.30 | Guerin | oh, he wants bsource packages |
| 13:27.31 | SerajewelKS | jelly: you are thinking of dpkg-source. dpkg-buildpackage has no -b |
| 13:27.34 | jelly | jm_: oh, he wants source package? |
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| 13:28.00 | jm_ | jelly: yeah, but then I read the manpage again and I am confused ;) |
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| 13:28.11 | SerajewelKS | well i need to eat |
| 13:28.15 | jm_ | ahh no it's all OK |
| 13:28.27 | SerajewelKS | tm-30740: good luck, and please listen to people when they're talking to you |
| 13:28.29 | Guerin | i need beer |
| 13:28.36 | Guerin | good thing I have some |
| 13:28.40 | [Bart] | Guerin : who doesnt |
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| 13:28.56 | Guerin | [Bart]: um... damn, you have me. |
| 13:28.56 | SerajewelKS | !beer Guerin |
| 13:29.00 | Guerin | arr |
| 13:29.21 | Guerin | petemc: I'll buy you a guinness when I get to Eire |
| 13:29.38 | Guerin | if I still have any money, that is |
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| 13:30.02 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: you're in kansas? |
| 13:30.18 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: no |
| 13:30.30 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: oh. Where? |
| 13:30.35 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: indiana |
| 13:30.40 | Guerin | oh. Close. |
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| 13:30.55 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: not coming to Indiana anytime soon, unfortunately |
| 13:31.18 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: heh you wouldn't want to meet me, i don't drink =) |
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| 13:31.59 | Guerin | i don't mind people who dron't drink ... as long as they're not in the pub with me |
| 13:32.31 | petemc | Guerin: when you due to arrive? |
| 13:32.50 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: my idea of a good night out is #debian without trolls |
| 13:32.57 | Guerin | petemc: october/november |
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| 13:33.20 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: keep searching for that philosopher's stone in your spare time |
| 13:33.39 | petemc | Guerin: sweet, do give me a shout when you're aroudn belfast |
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| 13:33.46 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i do like table tennis though |
| 13:33.55 | Guerin | petemc: right-o, I shall |
| 13:34.17 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: as in real thing or csmash? |
| 13:34.30 | Guerin | jm_: slovenia is 50/50 - we're either going balkans or carpathians |
| 13:34.38 | SerajewelKS | jm_: the real thing of course |
| 13:34.44 | Guerin | it depends on whether my old mate is still in Poland at the time |
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| 13:36.11 | jm_ | Guerin: ahh so it's not all set yet, this is going to be some adventure ;) |
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| 13:36.43 | mcgreg | hi |
| 13:36.45 | mcgreg | I have a small problem |
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| 13:37.07 | Guerin | jm_: nepal is dicey right now - and pakistan is looking dicier every day. Without both those we might have to skip india, which would piss me off some. |
| 13:37.35 | Guerin | we don't even know how we're getting to turkey - via armenia, georgia or the ukraine |
| 13:38.09 | jm_ | either way, be very careful driving there |
| 13:38.10 | Guerin | iran is looking firmly off the menu at this point as well |
| 13:38.21 | Guerin | jm_: probably public transport the whole way |
| 13:38.40 | Guerin | unless we buy a car in *stan |
| 13:38.53 | jm_ | Guerin: wasn't it with a car at first? |
| 13:39.13 | Guerin | jm_: it was, but the logistics got the better of us |
| 13:39.19 | jm_ | Guerin: right |
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| 13:39.30 | wily_ | hi * |
| 13:39.33 | Guerin | jm_: we're not good enough offroaders or mechanics, and we don't have the money for carnets and shit |
| 13:39.47 | wily_ | how can i find boot's log? |
| 13:39.55 | jm_ | Guerin: yeah, old car that's easy to work on would be a bonus, and knowing how to work on it of course |
| 13:39.59 | Guerin | wily_: look in /var/log/dmesg |
| 13:40.00 | wily_ | in /var/log/ there is not! |
| 13:40.01 | jm_ | willy;what boot's log? |
| 13:40.29 | Guerin | jm_: yeah. The stupid thing is that my sister is a mechanic... but she's tied to NZ at the moment |
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| 13:40.32 | wily_ | kernel messages in boot phase |
| 13:40.39 | jm_ | dmesg has those |
| 13:41.20 | xptical | so, if I'm using a registrar like godaddy, is there any reason I'd want bind on my system? |
| 13:41.31 | wily_ | but during boot i've many 'failed' message for udev |
| 13:41.40 | mcgreg | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1849 <-- can someone have a look pls? |
| 13:41.42 | wily_ | in dmeg i can't find them |
| 13:41.48 | jm_ | wily_: those are not kernel messages, enable bootlogd |
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| 13:42.19 | jm_ | mcgreg: well does it exist already? |
| 13:42.31 | mcgreg | the user does not |
| 13:42.41 | wily_ | how can i enable it? |
| 13:42.47 | jm_ | I meant the group |
| 13:43.06 | keenboy | hi got bit of a problem still, and I need pointing in the right direction....... |
| 13:43.10 | jm_ | edit /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 13:43.14 | mcgreg | no idea, I never changed there anything this way |
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| 13:43.53 | mcgreg | jm_: yes, checked, the groups does exist ... |
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| 13:44.03 | jm_ | mcgreg: right so that's why it fails |
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| 13:44.23 | wily_ | i must type 'Yes' and reboot system? |
| 13:44.36 | wily_ | after where i can find boot's log? |
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| 13:44.49 | jm_ | man bootlogd |
| 13:44.51 | Norman | hi guys, do you guys know how to find which driver version is loaded in the kernel ? |
| 13:44.52 | mcgreg | jm_: ok, but why doesnt adduser takes a different one? like 1008..? shouldnt it do it itself? |
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| 13:45.03 | jm_ | mcgreg: it uses the same number for UID and GID |
| 13:45.35 | keenboy | i've got a sarge box (mail server) running exim4, this box is behind a firewall with a portforward rule set to allow all port 25 traffic to it. The problem is I can't seem to be able to telnet to the box on port 25! would this be a) Debian Config Issue or b) exim issue the firewall is set correctly. |
| 13:46.01 | jm_ | keenboy: telnet from where? |
| 13:46.15 | keenboy | remote address, locally it connects fine. |
| 13:46.35 | jm_ | what address is it listening on? |
| 13:46.41 | Norman | keenboy: what did u use for portforwarding ? |
| 13:46.53 | keenboy | Norman: ipcop |
| 13:47.01 | mcgreg | jm_: ok, but what can I do to solve the problem? |
| 13:47.23 | Norman | keenboy: can u telnet from the ipcop box to the debian box ? |
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| 13:47.48 | jm_ | mcgreg: tell adduser to use uid of your choice which is free and can be used for new gid too |
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| 13:48.17 | mcgreg | jm_: ok, worked, thx you :) |
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| 13:49.18 | AciD | I broke my debian. How can you manage to remove an aliened suse package like xgl when dpkg keeps rejecting your requests ? : http://rafb.net/paste/results/y5aEUO60.html |
| 13:49.29 | keenboy | Norman: havn't tried that yet, the problem being I am not on the network and I believe you cannot shell onto the ipcop box to use telnet? |
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| 13:50.12 | Guerin | haha |
| 13:50.23 | Guerin | suse |
| 13:50.26 | Guerin | oh, the stupidity |
| 13:51.29 | Phated | Heh. |
| 13:51.40 | jm_ | fix post-removal |
| 13:51.46 | jm_ | uhm post-remove script |
| 13:52.00 | Norman | keenboy: hmm yeah thats true ipcop is stripped ... pitty would be very handy :) |
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| 13:52.18 | keenboy | Norman: agreed! |
| 13:52.19 | Guerin | AciD: output of dpkg -i xgl |
| 13:52.22 | SunDevil | heu |
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| 13:52.28 | Norman | anyone know how to find out which network driver version is loaded in a kernel ? |
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| 13:53.25 | jm_ | Norman: see if modinfo can help |
| 13:53.39 | SunDevil | can someone explain to me what the difference is between the OHCI, UHCI and UHCI modules for USB? |
| 13:53.39 | SunDevil | err, EHCI is the last one |
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| 13:53.52 | keenboy | jm_ : sorry, netstat is saying *:smtp |
| 13:54.04 | jm_ | keenboy: that's all addresses |
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| 13:54.33 | jm_ | SunDevil: yes, many people can |
| 13:54.48 | Guerin_ | SunDevil: U and O are different usb 1.1 chipsets |
| 13:54.49 | keenboy | jm_ : thats what I thought. |
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| 13:55.06 | jm_ | keenboy: so it's likely your firewall rules |
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| 13:55.13 | Guerin_ | SunDevil: E is usb2. To use E you need either U or O as well |
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| 13:55.25 | n3x_ | If someone is interested in doing some programming for a Windows App that updates a dynDNS address customly can they message me, Very easy, PHP and web server all done |
| 13:55.43 | keenboy | jm_ : ok, I'll have another look |
| 13:55.58 | SunDevil | Guerin_: cheers |
| 13:56.09 | SunDevil | Guerin_: any way to tell what chipset you have? |
| 13:56.13 | Norman | jm_: nope not very helpfull only gives kernel version |
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| 13:56.23 | Guerin_ | SunDevil: lspci |grep -i hci |
| 13:56.39 | AciD | Guerin_ > dpkg -i xgl output that : "dpkg: error processing xgl (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory. Errors were encountered while processing: xgl" |
| 13:57.03 | Guerin_ | AciD: holy fuck, that is some evilness |
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| 13:57.25 | AciD | yep, I tried moving the aliened deb in /var/cache/apt/archive |
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| 13:57.29 | AciD | without success |
| 13:57.33 | SunDevil | 4 times uhci, once ehci. Does that mean that one hub is USB2 and the rest USB1? |
| 13:57.38 | jm_ | Norman: some drivers report it, some don't |
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| 13:58.01 | Guerin_ | SunDevil: no, it means that you have four usb2 ports |
| 13:58.02 | AciD | now I'm stuck with a non-working dpkg system :( |
| 13:58.03 | user__ | is it possible to use freetype fonts in text console? |
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| 13:58.12 | SunDevil | Guerin_: alright, cheers |
| 13:58.17 | Guerin_ | AciD: strace it and find what files it fucks out on. If they don't exist, create them. If they're a script or something, edit them and replace the content with /bin/true |
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| 13:58.25 | Norman | jm_: ok thnx ;) |
| 13:58.27 | kippi | hey |
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| 13:58.33 | AciD | Guerin_ > on the way |
| 13:58.38 | Guerin_ | AciD: good luck |
| 13:58.43 | kippi | how would I download the source code for debian? |
| 13:58.54 | jetscreamer | yes sundevel |
| 13:58.56 | jetscreamer | at least here it does |
| 13:58.58 | jetscreamer | err devil |
| 13:59.00 | jetscreamer | listen to Guerin_ SunDevil |
| 13:59.06 | jetscreamer | it's not just one source |
| 13:59.10 | user__ | come no |
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| 14:00.22 | Guerin_ | kippi: cdimage.debian.org - you want CDs #15-28, or DVDs 3 and 4 |
| 14:00.31 | user__ | is it possible to use *.ttf fonts in text console? :) |
| 14:00.32 | Guerin_ | kippi: good luck with your ISP |
| 14:00.46 | Guerin_ | user__: not in linux console, but in a terminal emulator |
| 14:01.13 | SunDevil | hrmm, had a working external USB harddisk. i keep getting timeout messages now eventhough nothing's changed except a disconnect/reconnect from the disk. reloaden the usab modules doesnt seem to help either |
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| 14:01.33 | user__ | too bad then, is there any way to make linux console look nicer? i mean nicer fonts |
| 14:01.47 | jetscreamer | yes install some fonts |
| 14:01.52 | jetscreamer | there ate term fonts |
| 14:01.55 | jetscreamer | are |
| 14:02.05 | AciD | hum, how can you redirect the output of strace into a file ? `strace dpkg -i xgl > strace_xgl` just output to stdout |
| 14:02.05 | jetscreamer | also you can recompile and get more options |
| 14:02.16 | jm_ | man strace |
| 14:02.27 | user__ | jetscreamer, recompile what? |
| 14:02.32 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search terminal fonts i think |
| 14:02.35 | jetscreamer | the kernel |
| 14:02.35 | Guerin_ | user__: the linux console looks wonderful! |
| 14:02.43 | AciD | got it, it's strace -o file |
| 14:02.58 | jm_ | right |
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| 14:03.41 | user__ | jetscreamer, does kernel has something to do with fonts in linux console? |
| 14:04.00 | Guerin_ | user__: the kernel specifies which fionts are defaultly available |
| 14:04.18 | Guerin_ | personally, I like the stock linux console font so much I ran it as my default in X for a while |
| 14:04.19 | jm_ | that's only for FB |
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| 14:04.27 | user__ | btw this search query dons't find anything suitable |
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| 14:05.21 | jetscreamer | i know that there is a package which claims to have nicer fonts for the terminal and it has terminal-fonts in the name i think |
| 14:05.28 | jetscreamer | there are probably others also |
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| 14:05.49 | user__ | i haven't recompile my kernel for a while, i remember when i got confused after seeing menuconfig in 2.6.15 - so much new options comparing to 2.6.12 |
| 14:05.52 | user__ | many* |
| 14:05.57 | jm_ | there's shitloads of fonts related packages in Debian, both for X and console |
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| 14:06.08 | jetscreamer | there ya go user |
| 14:06.23 | jacopo | hi |
| 14:06.46 | user__ | jm_, give me a shot |
| 14:06.50 | Norman | whats the real difference between the stable kernel of kernel.org and the debian-image kernels ? do they have different security patching ? |
| 14:06.59 | Guerin_ | http://rt2k6.feayn.org/pix/random/shell.png # proof |
| 14:07.03 | jm_ | user__: apt-cache search font console |
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| 14:07.26 | user__ | oh, now i see there are |
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| 14:07.41 | jetscreamer | see if everybody used dselect there wouldn't be this problem... :) |
| 14:07.52 | Shadowcat | dselect == evil |
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| 14:07.58 | jetscreamer | dselect > * |
| 14:08.01 | user__ | Guerin_, proof for what? |
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| 14:08.25 | jetscreamer | fugly, but so am i |
| 14:08.27 | Guerin_ | user__: that I used somethign which looks identical to the linux console font in X |
| 14:08.41 | Guerin_ | bolkhov uni_vga is a *great* font |
| 14:08.47 | Guerin_ | it has awesome unicode support |
| 14:09.05 | jetscreamer | speaking of, how come utf-8 looks like shit by default |
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| 14:09.19 | jm_ | Guerin_: where does that come from? |
| 14:09.22 | user__ | Guerin_, i don't see any proof that you are using X |
| 14:09.49 | jetscreamer | in ncurses apps |
| 14:09.57 | user__ | yeah |
| 14:10.01 | Guerin_ | jm_: the link is in the screenshot |
| 14:10.09 | user__ | does ncurses work fine with utf yet? |
| 14:10.20 | Guerin_ | user__: it's an x screenshot |
| 14:10.20 | pumpkin0 | 1 PC with 2 NIC. eth0 connect to a network with 192.168.1.XXX IPs, eth1 with 192.168.0.XXX IPs. 192.168.1.1 is the gateway and DNS-server, 192.168.0.XXX does not need access to the DNS. What do i put into /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 14:10.25 | Guerin_ | user__: has done for yeages |
| 14:10.30 | jm_ | Guerin_: ohh, will check later at home |
| 14:10.44 | Guerin_ | utf-8 looks fine |
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| 14:11.03 | Guerin_ | until you get into cjk, at which point you have to use a cjk-specific font |
| 14:11.19 | user__ | Guerin_, nope, last time i checked apps like midnight commander were broken |
| 14:11.27 | user__ | i mean in Linux console |
| 14:11.28 | Guerin_ | which is why youshould all use rxvt-unicode-ml, which lets you select multiple fonts, and can use them all at the same time |
| 14:11.32 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 14:11.41 | Shadowcat | I use UTF-8 by default in debian |
| 14:11.43 | Shadowcat | works just fine |
| 14:11.44 | Guerin_ | so you have one font for latin, one font for some bits of unicode, another for the rest |
| 14:11.52 | Guerin_ | user__: worksforme |
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| 14:12.24 | user__ | i had this issue on gentoo and ubuntu, i didn't bother to check on debian |
| 14:12.32 | igor__ | hi all, there is some command to put a jpg/png image in a X root window? |
| 14:12.38 | Shadowcat | then go check before you make assumptions |
| 14:12.42 | igor__ | j #xwindows |
| 14:12.43 | user__ | i just don't see any point of using utf-8 |
| 14:12.48 | AciD | Guerin_ > rafb paste don't want those _big_ pastes : http://tehpwnz.org/~acid/index.php?path=misc%2Fxgl/ I searched through them but didn't find any helpful info |
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| 14:13.44 | user__ | Guerin_, prove it, that it is x windows ;) |
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| 14:13.57 | Guerin_ | user__: ECBA |
| 14:14.08 | user__ | what? |
| 14:14.27 | Guerin_ | user__: /msg dpkg cba |
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| 14:14.41 | Guerin_ | AciD: honestly ...you're goingto have to pay me to take this on |
| 14:14.53 | AciD | :) |
| 14:14.54 | user__ | !cba |
| 14:14.54 | dpkg | can't be arsed |
| 14:15.08 | user__ | Guerin_, ? |
| 14:15.08 | Guerin_ | AciD: i have beer to drink and football to watch right now |
| 14:15.17 | Guerin_ | user__: E == error |
| 14:15.21 | AciD | have a good time then |
| 14:15.27 | Guerin_ | user__: figure the rest out for yourself |
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| 14:15.52 | user__ | Guerin_, is this some kind of post 31337 geek dialect or what |
| 14:16.17 | Phated | Error: Can't Be Arsed. |
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| 14:16.24 | Ronin | Guerin_: beer and football? im on may way cause that sure beats working |
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| 14:17.55 | Guerin_ | Ronin: that's the right attitude. |
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| 14:19.51 | user__ | Guerin_, for me your screenshoot looks like one from fbgrab ;) |
| 14:20.01 | user__ | produced by* |
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| 14:24.34 | Guerin_ | user__: hey, fuck you |
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| 14:25.09 | user__ | Guerin_, yeah fuck you too, you are full of shit |
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| 14:25.27 | SunDevil | heu |
| 14:25.38 | Guerin_ | user__: http://feayn.org/~lewis/fuckyou.png |
| 14:26.05 | SunDevil | whats the difference between DVI-A and DVI-D. I have a videocard with analog and digital output and need a convertor for my 2nd analog screen but do not know whether i need DVI-A or D |
| 14:26.09 | Guerin_ | !win me |
| 14:26.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin_! You have won the US presidency! |
| 14:26.58 | pumpkin0 | 1 PC with 2 NIC. eth0 connect to a network with 192.168.1.XXX IPs, eth1 with 192.168.0.XXX IPs. 192.168.1.1 is the gateway and DNS-server, 192.168.0.XXX does not need access to the DNS. What do i put into /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 14:27.12 | user__ | fake |
| 14:27.27 | user__ | two minuts with gimp |
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| 14:27.35 | n3x_ | pumpkin0 you dont |
| 14:27.36 | user__ | one if you are familiar |
| 14:27.59 | n3x_ | what is the reason you dont want th eother to have access to DNS? |
| 14:28.07 | elirips | hello people. anyone knows what fontpackage I need to install to be able to view greek letters in mozilla/openoffice/kmail? i am using debian sarge with xfree86 4.3. |
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| 14:28.38 | jm_ | SunDevil: wikipedia explains it |
| 14:28.45 | pumpkin0 | n3x_: it's only server for internal use. They don't need access to anything on the 192.168.1.XXX-range. |
| 14:28.48 | SunDevil | cheers, will look |
| 14:28.59 | user__ | elirips, probably mscorefonts |
| 14:29.09 | n3x_ | pumpkin0 Priv msg me your sample network layout and what your trying to accomplish |
| 14:30.39 | elirips | user--, i alredy have that one installed... |
| 14:30.52 | kippi | does debian have rmp support? |
| 14:31.02 | elirips | user--, sorry, i ment there is no package named mscorefonts (?) |
| 14:31.02 | n3x_ | rmping in the jungle |
| 14:31.19 | pumpkin0 | n3x_: http://tsn.dk/p/?id=3804 |
| 14:31.28 | nkuttler | elirips: msttcorefonts |
| 14:31.29 | kippi | rpm |
| 14:31.56 | Ronin | kippi: why? |
| 14:32.14 | jm_ | kippi: yes, but don't expect much from it |
| 14:32.23 | user__ | elirips, wait a second |
| 14:32.23 | elirips | nkuttler, aptitude doesn't find that one too (?) |
| 14:32.29 | jm_ | wtf |
| 14:32.50 | kippi | i need to make sure some packages are installed, whats the best way? |
| 14:32.53 | jm_ | anyone else getting crap like this? *juhoms* echoed by script: #debian :kippi: yes, but don't expect much from it |
| 14:33.16 | user__ | elirips, msttcorefonts |
| 14:33.26 | nkuttler | elirips: /msg dpkg msttcorefonts |
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| 14:33.52 | nkuttler | elirips: or apt-cache search greek font and install one, you probably want truetype |
| 14:33.58 | stream | what is the debian password structure? |
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| 14:35.19 | elirips | nkuttler, thank you. after having installed that, do i need to edit anything to tell mozilla/kmail/openoffice that i have this fonts now, or should that work automatically? |
| 14:35.42 | Guerin_ | user__: if you pay attention, you'll note that there's a gap of one minute and six seconds between the screenshot and the url, and during that time i managed to do some irc as well |
| 14:35.58 | Guerin_ | user__: so I think you might find that I win |
| 14:36.05 | Guerin_ | as I normally do |
| 14:36.26 | user__ | it isn't a game Guerin_ |
| 14:36.58 | nkuttler | elirips: you probably have to log out and log into x again. |
| 14:37.09 | elirips | nkuttler, well, if that's all :) |
| 14:37.17 | user__ | it only means you are quick with gimping :D |
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| 14:38.01 | Guerin_ | user__: believe what you want |
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| 14:38.14 | Guerin_ | i have beer and football, so I win nevertheless |
| 14:38.37 | n3x_ | pumpkin0 ok now what are you trying to accomplish |
| 14:38.41 | Guerin_ | user__: oh, and turn off your script, lest you get banned |
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| 14:39.01 | n3x_ | as i get it you dont want 192.168.1.xxx to have access to DNS.. i find that stupid and no reason why |
| 14:39.03 | wily_ | i've another problem |
| 14:39.07 | wily_ | hi all |
| 14:39.09 | user__ | Guerin_, it isn't mine |
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| 14:39.40 | wily_ | when i launch an application by shell |
| 14:39.47 | Guerin_ | user__: hm, ok |
| 14:39.56 | Guerin_ | !ops juhoms is a msgbot |
| 14:39.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: juhoms is a msgbot |
| 14:40.03 | wily_ | return an error message |
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| 14:40.41 | wily_ | debian:/home/wily# kppp |
| 14:40.41 | Guerin_ | LoRez: when I address someone, juhoms messages me with an echo |
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| 14:40.51 | LoRez | Guerin_: really? |
| 14:40.52 | jm_ | same here |
| 14:40.54 | wily_ | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 14:40.59 | Guerin_ | LoRez: like 14:35:11 <juhoms> echoed by script: #debian :i have beer and football, so I win nevertheless |
| 14:41.00 | Phated | Guerin_: Cor. |
| 14:41.01 | jm_ | LoRez: test |
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| 14:41.07 | wily_ | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 14:41.08 | wily_ | kppp: cannot connect to X server :0 |
| 14:41.10 | jm_ | ahh :P |
| 14:41.12 | Phated | I have nothing :( |
| 14:41.15 | jm_ | wily_: doing it as root? |
| 14:41.16 | n3x_ | wily_ whyare you lauching kppp from a console? |
| 14:41.19 | jm_ | LoRez: test |
| 14:41.25 | Phated | jm_: Hrm. |
| 14:41.28 | LoRez | jm_: it hasn't msged me. |
| 14:41.29 | jm_ | not anymore or it's lagged |
| 14:41.31 | Ronin | theyre gone |
| 14:41.33 | wily_ | kppp is just an esample |
| 14:41.35 | jm_ | LoRez: yeah it stopped now |
| 14:41.35 | Phated | Indeed. |
| 14:41.39 | Guerin_ | jm_: yeah, not every time |
| 14:41.43 | wily_ | with all x application |
| 14:41.48 | Phated | Guerin_: Keep going then ;) |
| 14:41.48 | n3x_ | ok, are you yrtping kppp from a console or a Xsession with console |
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| 14:42.42 | wily_ | yes tiping kppp from shell |
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| 14:43.04 | n3x_ | wily_ from a shell or a Xsession shell |
| 14:43.06 | tralala | wily_: DISPLAY=:0 xterm |
| 14:43.20 | wily_ | Xsession shell |
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| 14:44.10 | zvn | what's the recommended way of mounting a fs via ssh? shfs.sf.net seems an option, any other recommendations? |
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| 14:44.35 | jm_ | zvn: FUSE maybe |
| 14:44.40 | wily_ | tralala, nothing ....... |
| 14:44.58 | tralala | wily_: what do you mean by "nothing"? The same error message or? |
| 14:45.38 | wily_ | i paste error message in #flood |
| 14:46.31 | tralala | wily_: if you have started the Xsession as an user but you want to start programs as root you need to allow the root to use the user's Xsession. |
| 14:47.07 | wily_ | how i can do? |
| 14:47.26 | tralala | wily_: this means: userprompt$> xhost +local:root, rootprompt#> DISPLAY=:0 xprog |
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| 14:48.23 | ludwig | hallo! |
| 14:48.41 | wily_ | tralala, wily@debian:~$ xhost +local:root |
| 14:48.41 | RichiH | Guerin_: i do not get anything from it, either |
| 14:48.43 | wily_ | xhost: unable to open display "" |
| 14:49.00 | tralala | wily_: add DISPLAY=:0 in front |
| 14:49.20 | ootput | ah, any of you experiencing problems with xft and urxvt-* should rebuild from source |
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| 14:49.28 | Guerin_ | hm, funky |
| 14:49.38 | ludwig | Since I run udev, I cannot burn a CD any more |
| 14:49.44 | Phated | eh? Rebuild? :( |
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| 14:50.02 | ootput | Phated: that's the only solution |
| 14:50.02 | wily_ | tralala, i can't reach |
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| 14:50.11 | ludwig | Has anyone a hint how to solve that? |
| 14:50.14 | Phated | For what problem precisely? |
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| 14:50.22 | tralala | wily_: type it again |
| 14:50.45 | ootput | Phated: you were addressing my comment, weren't you? |
| 14:50.46 | wily_ | i do: |
| 14:50.47 | michiel1981 | Hi, My debian setup is only detecting half RAM, bios is detecting all of it. Any pionters were to fix this? |
| 14:50.58 | wily_ | xhost +local:root |
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| 14:51.04 | Phated | ootput: I was - but when you said "experiencing problems", which problems precisely? |
| 14:51.11 | wily_ | xhost: unable to open display "" |
| 14:51.17 | wily_ | it's reply |
| 14:51.32 | ootput | Phated: latest Sid. urxvt is able to load xft fonts, and so fails itself |
| 14:51.36 | ootput | *unable |
| 14:52.00 | wily_ | tralala, can i in private? |
| 14:52.01 | Phated | ootput: Eh... just respecify your fonts with -fn and use a string from xfontsel :) WFM. |
| 14:52.02 | ootput | and apparently urxvt is now orphand |
| 14:52.04 | tralala | wily_: type it with DISPLAY=:0 in front. It's the same thing you did just a minute aog |
| 14:52.08 | tralala | ago |
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| 14:52.25 | wily_ | by root? |
| 14:52.41 | ootput | Phated: then i'd lose the hinting that i adore |
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| 14:52.57 | Phated | ootput: Eh, recompile then. |
| 14:53.03 | tralala | wily_: ok, let's make it simpler - type export DISPLAY=:0 both as user and as root |
| 14:53.15 | tralala | wily_: then type again the commands I gave you |
| 14:53.29 | ootput | Phated: well, that's what i did recently. i wanted to share the news with other troubled users |
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| 14:53.37 | wily_ | it's the same |
| 14:53.38 | Phated | ootput: I suppose. |
| 14:53.51 | wily_ | same error |
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| 14:55.15 | wily_ | Sifro, italian? |
| 14:55.16 | tralala | wily_: I'm sorry, I don't think I can help further |
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| 14:55.23 | NabZ | hey, do i need i386 for a amd duron cpu? |
| 14:55.24 | tralala | !it |
| 14:55.24 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 14:55.31 | Petaris | If I grab the debian 2.6.15 kernel will the nvidia-kernel-2.6.14-2 work with it or is that hoping for too much |
| 14:55.32 | Sifro | wily_ yes |
| 14:55.53 | wily_ | ok Sifro mi puoi aiutare co' sto X? |
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| 14:56.17 | NabZ | hey guyz. is it i386 i need for a amd cpu (32bit) |
| 14:56.27 | tralala | NabZ: yes, it is |
| 14:56.30 | NabZ | ty |
| 14:56.34 | Sifro | ok posso provare.. però se parliamo in italiano andiamo in #debian-it, oppure fammi una query |
| 14:57.04 | pumpkin0 | n3x_: sorry, got distracted: the PC in the middle should be able to assecc both sides. So ping 192.168.0.100 and ping 192.168.1.1 should work |
| 14:58.04 | Sifro | wily_ non mi fa mandare i messaggi privati, devo registrare il nick, quindi non posso risponderti subito.. comunque continua a scrivere, che ti leggo |
| 14:58.52 | wily_ | vengo in debian-it allora |
| 14:58.57 | wily_ | ci sei lì? |
| 14:59.02 | Sifro | si |
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| 15:05.33 | StyXman | I'm experiencin problems reaching www.apt-get.org |
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| 15:05.51 | StyXman | can someone gimme the ip number? |
| 15:06.01 | StyXman | I can't resolve it from here :-| |
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| 15:06.51 | Guerin | s |
| 15:06.59 | tralala | StyXman: I can't either. |
| 15:07.01 | Guerin | StyXman: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
| 15:07.04 | asrail | ping: unknown host www.apt-get.org |
| 15:07.42 | StyXman | Guerin: seems like there's no more a dns record for it :( |
| 15:07.49 | Guerin | oh well |
| 15:07.58 | StyXman | I can't resolve it in .ar or chicago |
| 15:08.13 | tralala | it's gone for good |
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| 15:09.08 | xptical | how do I find out what user owns a directory? |
| 15:09.19 | bbrazil | xptical: ls -ld dirname |
| 15:09.51 | StyXman | :( |
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| 15:09.56 | bighorn | How do I get Jabber to start docked to the panel at boot time? |
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| 15:10.13 | StyXman | anyone knows of a .deb for turck-mmcache (php accelerator)? |
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| 15:11.00 | kowey | hello! i just did something fantastically stupid - changed the root username - is there any way i can back out of this? |
| 15:11.00 | toszek-waszek^ | witam wszyskich jest to jacyœ polacy ?? |
| 15:11.01 | tralala | bighorn: first check in there are any options in the jabber manual. Then check your WM for "autostart" directory and put a laucher script there. |
| 15:11.33 | Guerin | !pl |
| 15:11.34 | dpkg | pl is probably sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 15:11.36 | tralala | kowey: yes, edit your /etc/passwd and set it back to root |
| 15:11.44 | kowey | but the problem is |
| 15:11.50 | kowey | i did this from a non-root acct via sudo |
| 15:11.51 | toszek-waszek^ | thanks |
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| 15:11.57 | kowey | and now i can no longer sudo, nor su |
| 15:12.06 | tralala | ha! |
| 15:12.07 | toszek-waszek^ | We are super |
| 15:12.13 | toszek-waszek^ | bay |
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| 15:12.31 | StyXman | kowey: logging from a terminal? |
| 15:12.48 | bighorn | in preferences it says you can right click on the panel and select add to panel and pick status dock but I don't have that in my choices. will try wm |
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| 15:12.54 | StyXman | kowey: also, do you know root's password? |
| 15:13.06 | kowey | StyXman... huh... maybe... will have to fish a monitor out |
| 15:13.16 | kowey | yes, i do, yet trying to ssh in doesn't seem to work either |
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| 15:14.01 | StyXman | kowey: you must have root login per ssh disabled |
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| 15:14.17 | kowey | oh right! StyXman, completely forgot I did that |
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| 15:14.34 | ChrisW | is there any util I can use to mail myself a file from a bash shell? |
| 15:14.35 | kowey | sigh... |
| 15:14.46 | tralala | kowey: just reboot with a live-cd and fix the passwd file |
| 15:14.51 | ChrisW | "mail" doesn't seem to quite cut it :-/ |
| 15:15.03 | tralala | ChrisW: mutt |
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| 15:15.38 | bliss_ | hello all |
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| 15:16.23 | StyXman | kowey: good luck :-| |
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| 15:16.27 | ChrisW | how do I compone a mail with mutt?! |
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| 15:16.57 | tralala | ChrisW: you type `man mutt', you read, you follow the insturctions |
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| 15:17.07 | netgrunt | hi there |
| 15:17.23 | netgrunt | I have a process that is running in a certain directory. Sometimes it reads files on that directory. The directory is /opt/soft/proggie ... and it's a symbolic link to /opt/soft/proggie-v2.3 ... if I change the symlink to /opt/soft/proggie-v2.4 will the current process miss the files that it is trying to acess ? |
| 15:17.31 | bliss_ | looking for java appletplugin for mozilla for chat to linksys.com the name OF the package I think is something like x-java-vm |
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| 15:18.11 | MrNaz | ok |
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| 15:18.30 | tralala | netgrunt: if you change the destination of the symlink, but not the name it will be fine |
| 15:19.00 | kowey | crap... plugged in my monitor |
| 15:19.04 | poli | netgrunt: unless if your process root is on that directory... that *might* give you some trouble |
| 15:19.24 | kowey | and it doesn't display anything... though the machine is clearly running (i'm still ssh'ed in) |
| 15:19.49 | tralala | kowey: just reboot with a live-cd |
| 15:19.50 | kowey | i'm tempted to reboot, but while i be able to log in as the root user (using the new name) from the terminal? |
| 15:19.54 | jetscreamer | i could increase my net if i had an electric car |
| 15:19.56 | jetscreamer | somebody give me one |
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| 15:20.13 | davis | hello |
| 15:20.36 | kowey | tralala - i am on a mac... hm... how do i make the cd door open? eject doesn't seem to work |
| 15:21.10 | ChrisW | find a paperclip ;-) |
| 15:21.55 | netgrunt | tralala: what do you mean ? I'm planning on doing cd /opt/soft ; rm proggie ; ln -s proggie-v2.4 proggie ... would that cause trouble ? |
| 15:22.38 | netgrunt | poli : what do you mean *might* ? it's a process that spawns copies of itself, invokes other commands, etc... os it's not a very "simple" process |
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| 15:23.38 | defsy | pgf does not include tikz.sty Has anybody got this to work? |
| 15:23.46 | tralala | netgrunt: I don't think so. You could use ln -sf instead of rm |
| 15:24.03 | poli | netgrunt: every process has a "root" dir where it "stays". You can see what is the root dir of your process using lsof if it isn't proggie-2.3, you should be fine. If it is, you won't be able to delete that dir but if the program actually searches for the files in proggie and not proggie-2.3, you should be fine too. |
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| 15:24.42 | netgrunt | hmmm |
| 15:24.45 | netgrunt | let me check |
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| 15:26.05 | tomash | Hi all |
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| 15:27.32 | tomash | Is possible to have installed OO.o in Etch on SPARC? |
| 15:27.54 | liberty | hi room |
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| 15:29.32 | devazion | Am I the only one experiencing problems with udev and hotplug on etch? |
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| 15:30.04 | thingfish | devazion: probably not. |
| 15:30.26 | thingfish | devazion: look at bugs.debian.org/udev and bugs.debian.org/hotplug |
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| 15:30.53 | devazion | thingfish: Thanks, I'll check them out! |
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| 15:31.13 | MrNaz | where does debian put the apache files? |
| 15:31.24 | MrNaz | locate apachectl finds nothing |
| 15:31.46 | tralala | MrNaz: man dpkg (see the -L option) |
| 15:31.53 | OleMoudi | any ideas why firefox-flashplayer doesn't play sounds when there is another application playing sounds? skype has problems too sharing dsp |
| 15:32.26 | tralala | OleMoudi: you need a sound mixer |
| 15:33.14 | OleMoudi | like aumix? |
| 15:33.19 | OleMoudi | I already have that |
| 15:33.21 | tralala | no |
| 15:33.44 | tralala | there is something for alsa to do the trick but I can't recall the name |
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| 15:33.59 | tralala | There are people here who know it though. |
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| 15:34.08 | bliss_ | hello all |
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| 15:34.29 | bliss_ | Has anyone got a link to sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update05_i386.deb |
| 15:34.41 | OleMoudi | but, the thing is this only happens with skype and ff 1.5. The apt version of ff plays flashsounds without problems when amarok is running |
| 15:34.41 | davor | hey, guys |
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| 15:34.45 | davor | how do i turn off secure apt-get? |
| 15:35.09 | OleMoudi | seems it has something to do with the fact both skype and ff 1.5 are programs I have installed as user in my home |
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| 15:35.26 | davor | i dont want apt-get to look for GPG keys. |
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| 15:35.48 | abrotman | davor: i believe in man apt-get there is an option .. but it's really in your best interset to use it |
| 15:36.01 | wily_ | can anyone tell me why when i launch an application by console |
| 15:36.01 | tralala | OleMoudi: it has nothing to do with that. But it is very likely that both of them are using the OSS emulation. The problem could be there. |
| 15:36.10 | ootput | davor: mind if i ask why? |
| 15:36.11 | wily_ | i've :kppp: cannot connect to X server |
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| 15:36.20 | davor | abrotman: hmm, ill have a look in man then. |
| 15:36.22 | abrotman | wily_: because you're running it as root ? |
| 15:36.22 | sanmarcos | how can I chmod the .* files in my home properly? |
| 15:36.22 | jetscreamer | HEY! 2.4.27... on_boot, the error/msg reads : initrd loads under 4mb, possible kernel overwrite ... and i guess it does, cus that's all i see except for ......... how to fix |
| 15:36.38 | wily_ | as user too |
| 15:36.52 | jetscreamer | wily_: do it from an xterm |
| 15:36.53 | davor | abrotman: im having problems getting the keys to work. i tried doing the same thing as several tutorials on the net described, but it didnt work. |
| 15:37.02 | abrotman | wily_: so you login AS A USER .. and then from xterm .. try to run kppp ? as the user? |
| 15:37.04 | lindi- | is the use of /usr/lib/i686/mmx/cmov documented somewhere? (i couldn't find it from policy) if I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH i get illegal instruction from MOVSS which seems to be part of SSE which my athlon does not seem to have, it has mmx and cmov however |
| 15:37.07 | ootput | davor: which sources? |
| 15:37.10 | abrotman | davor: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
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| 15:37.27 | wily_ | yes in both case i have same message |
| 15:37.29 | wily_ | kppp: cannot connect to X server |
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| 15:37.34 | abrotman | davor: and if you have sources other than official debian sources .. you need keys for that too |
| 15:37.44 | sanmarcos | how can I chmod the .* files in my home properly? meaning so it doesnt chmod "." (the parent dir) ? |
| 15:37.56 | ootput | would any of you recommend the G450/550 cards from Matrox for a non-gaming platform? |
| 15:37.58 | UrBaNn | Can anyone tell me if i can install Linux on the same partition as the windows is? |
| 15:38.01 | davor | abrotman: ok, thanks. i'll have a look |
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| 15:38.05 | abrotman | sanmarcos: do it as the user who owns them ? |
| 15:38.05 | sanmarcos | UrBaNn: you cant |
| 15:38.07 | jetscreamer | no UrBaNn |
| 15:38.14 | abrotman | !tell UrBaNn about colinux |
| 15:38.16 | ootput | as opposed to, say, the nvidia line |
| 15:38.27 | sanmarcos | abrotman: chmod user:group .* -R owns the dirs on the /home dir too |
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| 15:38.38 | abrotman | sanmarcos: not if you don't do it as root |
| 15:38.46 | sanmarcos | chown sorry |
| 15:38.58 | ootput | UrBaNn: you'd run less of risk by way of virtualpc (free) and your distro of choice |
| 15:39.00 | jetscreamer | try chown user:group /home/user -R |
| 15:39.05 | stew | ootput: i'm using a g450 now. yeah if all you are going to do is 2d, the support is good for those |
| 15:39.06 | abrotman | a regular user will not be able to change the ownership of /home/ |
| 15:39.17 | UrBaNn | actually i need to run it as my main os the linux |
| 15:39.25 | ootput | stew: direct rendering supported? |
| 15:39.36 | abrotman | UrBaNn: then you have to setup linux on its own partition |
| 15:39.38 | abrotman | ootput: yes |
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| 15:39.45 | stew | ootput: direct rendering: Yes |
| 15:39.50 | ootput | stew: I'm torn b/w the matrix line and similar offerings by nvidia |
| 15:39.51 | UrBaNn | aha thanks for the support |
| 15:39.53 | sanmarcos | abrotman: I dont have perms to do it as user |
| 15:40.00 | mrverbose | is there a clamav howto for desktop systems, that allows on-access scanning of files? |
| 15:40.08 | ootput | stew: but it appears that matrox' are more cost-effective |
| 15:40.14 | mrverbose | i mean that enables on-access scanning |
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| 15:40.18 | abrotman | ootput: you can get them very cheaply |
| 15:40.19 | ootput | matrox |
| 15:40.27 | abrotman | ootput: you could use a combo of ls and grep and xargs |
| 15:40.41 | ootput | abrotman: ;) |
| 15:41.16 | jetscreamer | !seen penix |
| 15:41.17 | dpkg | penix <n=wenas@unaffiliated/penix> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 55d 3h 27m 39s ago, saying: 'man, sparcstations piss me off'. |
| 15:42.17 | ootput | abrotman: are you using the card? |
| 15:42.34 | abrotman | ootput: i used to have one .. awesome cards for 2d .. crystal clear |
| 15:42.56 | ootput | abrotman: did you utilise dual-out? |
| 15:43.20 | abrotman | ootput: no .. i only had one 19" monitor :) |
| 15:43.28 | liberty | saludos alguien alguna vez ha instalado 3ddesktop? |
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| 15:44.05 | liberty | quiciera saber como configurar su archivo de configuracion (Valga la redundancia) |
| 15:44.12 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:44.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:44.20 | liberty | abrotman: sorry |
| 15:44.26 | ootput | abrotman: are you using a higher-end 2d card now? |
| 15:44.34 | abrotman | ootput: i'm using a laptop :) |
| 15:44.38 | ootput | ah |
| 15:44.43 | liberty | I am trying configurate 3ddesktop |
| 15:44.44 | abrotman | ootput: i have an integrated Intel card .. works pretty damn well in linux |
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| 15:45.10 | liberty | But I Can't untedestand the 3ddesktop.conf |
| 15:45.16 | liberty | Someone |
| 15:45.18 | liberty | ? |
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| 15:45.28 | liberty | My laptop |
| 15:45.44 | Dark3Lite | umm |
| 15:45.50 | Dark3Lite | looking for a little help |
| 15:45.50 | Dark3Lite | http://pastebin.com/557718 |
| 15:45.51 | liberty | http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3504708&cat=179113&type=19&dept=3944 |
| 15:45.57 | Dark3Lite | would this cause an error.. |
| 15:45.59 | liberty | that is my laptop |
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| 15:46.01 | Dark3Lite | webs > |
| 15:46.03 | n3x_ | why would we help a lamer who hides behind a vhost? |
| 15:46.09 | Dark3Lite | hmm |
| 15:46.14 | Ronin | n3x_: nothing wrong with vhosts |
| 15:46.20 | Dark3Lite | exactly. |
| 15:46.25 | abrotman | n3x_: /whois abrotman .. will you help me? |
| 15:46.26 | liberty | and I don't know the card video fabricant |
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| 15:46.34 | Dark3Lite | people are funny |
| 15:46.43 | n3x_ | ok.. lame vhosts.. |
| 15:47.06 | Dark3Lite | ohh my.. |
| 15:47.10 | loggygreg | why is there "deb file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build main" in sources.list ? |
| 15:47.11 | Dark3Lite | didn't even see my vhost set to thtat |
| 15:47.14 | ootput | comedians are funny.. people are uncanny |
| 15:47.14 | Dark3Lite | sucks |
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| 15:47.41 | Ronin | Dark3Lite: look on the bright side at least it doesnt end in .au ;) |
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| 15:47.48 | Dark3Lite | yeah Ronin |
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| 15:47.55 | Dark3Lite | that was not the one I set.. |
| 15:48.00 | centrx | y |
| 15:48.21 | ootput | may as well use tor |
| 15:48.29 | Dark3Lite | sucks.. |
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| 15:48.36 | Dark3Lite | I would not use a vhost like that |
| 15:48.36 | abrotman | you can't speak here if you use tor iirc |
| 15:48.48 | n3x_ | Dark3Lite not sure what your after with that pastbin |
| 15:48.56 | Dark3Lite | n3x |
| 15:49.10 | Dark3Lite | I am trying to help a friend with installing python |
| 15:49.22 | Dark3Lite | he's getting an internal server error |
| 15:49.26 | n3x_ | ok, so whats the problem.. |
| 15:49.33 | n3x_ | ok |
| 15:49.50 | n3x_ | well its possible his python script is foobar |
| 15:50.06 | Dark3Lite | umm |
| 15:50.13 | Dark3Lite | let me show you the test script he created |
| 15:50.30 | stew | Dark3Lite: apache is returning an internal server error? |
| 15:50.31 | Dark3Lite | http://pastebin.com/557737 |
| 15:50.38 | Dark3Lite | yeah stew |
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| 15:50.47 | stew | Dark3Lite: did you check the apache error logs? |
| 15:50.53 | n3x_ | have you looked in the apache error log |
| 15:50.55 | n3x_ | bah beat me |
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| 15:52.51 | Dark3Lite | http://pastebin.com/557743 |
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| 15:54.45 | ootput | abrotman: about the card you owned: was it pci or agp interfaced? |
| 15:55.00 | ootput | seems there a few variations |
| 15:55.04 | abrotman | ootput: mine was AGP .. but i oculdn't get DRI working because HP FUCKING SUCKS ASS |
| 15:55.11 | ootput | :D |
| 15:55.12 | abrotman | mine was actually a G400 |
| 15:55.26 | ootput | how much ram did it carry? |
| 15:55.29 | abrotman | though .. admittedly .. i'm sure HP wasn't planning anyone using Linux with DRI on a server :) |
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| 15:55.52 | abrotman | ootput: mine was .. 64 i think .. but the G450 is probably a better card . or the G550 if you can find it |
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| 15:56.22 | stew | abrotman: wasn't the 400 single head and 450 dual? |
| 15:57.07 | ootput | jeez, PCIe? |
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| 15:57.41 | ootput | oh, nvm |
| 15:58.02 | kurumin | @locator oasis |
| 15:58.04 | ootput | christ, huge selection here: http://www.mydoor.com.au/items.asp?CartId={0FF77C6B-95FB-4931-AA10-D617F93546EVEREST5F}&Cc=VIDCARD&iTpStatus=1&Tp= |
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| 15:58.33 | abrotman | stew: not all the 400s were single head |
| 15:58.34 | Ronin | umm kurumin look where the hell you are before doing that |
| 15:59.19 | ootput | stew: which did you have? |
| 15:59.30 | stew | ootput: i have 2 450s |
| 15:59.32 | abrotman | ootput: TBH .. i doubt you'll find a 400 .. |
| 16:00.00 | ootput | stew: pci or agp sorry |
| 16:00.04 | SimonRaven | !lart kurumin |
| 16:00.06 | ootput | abrotman: yeah, can't find shit locally |
| 16:00.09 | abrotman | i'm not sure they sold a PCI version |
| 16:00.26 | ootput | for the 450s. dunno about 400 |
| 16:00.32 | abrotman | stew: http://cgi.ebay.com/Matrox-G400-Dual-Head-16MB-video-card-G400-MDHA-16-xlnt_W0QQitemZ8764340191QQcategoryZ40160QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 16:01.44 | stew | abrotman: the price is right |
| 16:01.48 | abrotman | stew: see .. i'm not crazy! |
| 16:01.59 | abrotman | stew: i'd be $15 for it! |
| 16:02.00 | stew | abrotman: at least not when it comes to mga cards |
| 16:02.03 | ootput | omg, there's quad-head |
| 16:02.07 | abrotman | err .. pay |
| 16:02.13 | abrotman | ootput: there are oct-head cards |
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| 16:02.43 | nouri | my /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq is stuck to 700Mhz, i can't seem to set it directly |
| 16:02.43 | abrotman | ootput: not anymore .. there used to be |
| 16:02.44 | ootput | is that more likely to be found in a conference room? |
| 16:03.07 | ootput | shit, i can't imagine being able to see all 8 screens, let alone monitoring them for activity :o |
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| 16:03.10 | stew | ootput: likely to be found on a financial traders desk |
| 16:03.21 | ootput | ah, true |
| 16:03.36 | abrotman | ootput: there used to be a page about a guy who setup a crazy setup for his flight sim |
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| 16:03.42 | ootput | abrotman: why'd they stop producing them |
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| 16:04.32 | abrotman | ootput: not really practical .. and most OSs support having two cards in one system now |
| 16:04.41 | abrotman | so you can do that with two quad-head cards |
| 16:04.48 | ootput | the pci is slightly more costlier than the agp |
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| 16:05.20 | ootput | abrotman: but say i wanted 16 heads |
| 16:05.24 | ootput | :) |
| 16:05.31 | abrotman | ootput: 4 PCI cards |
| 16:05.39 | kowey | tralala, StyXman, ChrisW: whew! thanks for the help... took some fighting to get that tray open, but everything seems ok now |
| 16:05.43 | ootput | shit, got me |
| 16:05.58 | abrotman | ootput: look at the price on a quad head .. and reevaluate your need for 16 screens |
| 16:06.04 | ootput | yeah |
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| 16:06.41 | abrotman | if you wanted four .. that'd be $2800 just for the video cards |
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| 16:07.12 | abrotman | ootput: and probably $500/year for asprin .. and $500/year to the optometrist |
| 16:07.19 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:07.22 | ootput | abrotman: :) |
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| 16:08.05 | Neikius | well, hello; I need some help with laptop power saving stuff |
| 16:08.20 | Neikius | what should I look for? |
| 16:08.33 | Neikius | klaptop just doesnt work |
| 16:09.05 | keta | Neikius: acpi-support is what controls those things |
| 16:09.18 | ootput | stew, abrotman: cheers guys. time to do a little window shopping |
| 16:10.44 | Neikius | thanks, for now at least |
| 16:10.44 | abrotman | ootput: do you need 3d? |
| 16:10.44 | kspath | ootput: I think you would be better off with 4-6 VERY large screens rather than 16 which is sick |
| 16:10.45 | ootput | abrotman: nope |
| 16:10.48 | ootput | abrotman: not any more |
| 16:11.09 | abrotman | ootput: i was going to suggest looking for an older millenium .. but might not be something you can find |
| 16:11.38 | ootput | abrotman: oh, i thought the G series were strictly 2D (with cpu-aided 3D) |
| 16:11.48 | kspath | but the older milleniums did not go above 1600x1200 did they? |
| 16:12.26 | kspath | matrox was my dream card for X for years and years and years |
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| 16:13.04 | ootput | i bet you got an ati |
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| 16:13.44 | ootput | i think matrox is one of a few cards that hold it's value |
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| 16:19.31 | abrotman | ootput: not at all .. |
| 16:19.42 | abrotman | ootput: they don't hold thier value |
| 16:20.25 | melao- | i'm on a linux network with debian servers and clients, and want to have a way to not retrieve packages directly from the mirrors for every client installation. what is the best way to avoid it? |
| 16:20.32 | Neikius | well, I don't find any useful info on how to get centrino functions operational and controllable (cpu speed scaling) |
| 16:21.01 | Golito | melao-, apt-proxy (??) |
| 16:22.08 | abrotman | melao-: apt-proxy is the way to go |
| 16:22.12 | abrotman | !tell melao- about apt-proxy |
| 16:22.14 | Neikius | my laptop is just buzzing at 100% speed and i want the dynamic or lowest speed thing... battery holds just 1 hour in this mode |
| 16:22.22 | melao- | thanks Golito, abrotman |
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| 16:23.36 | fluxdude | what's the command to find out if a user account is disabled without looking in shadow? forgot it! |
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| 16:24.39 | beardy | fluxdude: man passwd ? |
| 16:25.19 | Golito | fluxdude, grep the username from /etc/passwd (??) |
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| 16:26.02 | ootput | fluxdude: passwd -S <user> ? |
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| 16:26.16 | melao- | can I leave /etc/apt/sources.list as 'deb http://localhost:9999/debian etch main contrib non-free' on the same machine apt-proxy is installed? |
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| 16:27.03 | melao- | if so, i'm doing something wrong, because apt-get update didnt work |
| 16:27.07 | Neikius | well, can anybody help me with this laptop stuff? |
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| 16:27.50 | thingfish | Neikius: I know nothing about cpu scaling and all that, but have you tried apt-cache search cpu frequency? |
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| 16:28.26 | thingfish | I'm sure it'd have to be supported in the kernel. |
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| 16:28.55 | zarathustra | Hi, I have a problem, yesterday I made an upgrade of the xserver stuff, and today I cannot login in gdm, because the characters are weird (squares with letters and numbers inside) |
| 16:29.03 | fluxdude | thanks, that's the one passwd -S |
| 16:29.05 | zarathustra | how can I resolve that ? |
| 16:29.21 | fluxdude | missed it, was looking at things like chage |
| 16:29.21 | melao- | 'apt-proxy-import -r /var/cache/apt/archives' returned exceptions |
| 16:29.26 | zarathustra | the font in a terminal are ok |
| 16:29.28 | melao- | 2006/02/16 14:28 BRST [-] OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/cache/apt-proxy/.apt-proxy-import' |
| 16:29.28 | melao- | 2006/02/16 14:28 BRST [-] Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "AptPackages instance has no attribute 'loaded'" in <bound method AptPackages.__del__ of <apt_proxy.packages.AptPackages instance at 0xb754412c>> ignored |
| 16:29.38 | n3x_ | eeek |
| 16:29.44 | n3x_ | melao- use #flood |
| 16:29.48 | melao- | sorry |
| 16:29.58 | melao- | only 2 lines :( |
| 16:30.09 | Neikius | thingfish: the thing is that I am trying to set this up for quite some time already... kde has some module that was supposed to control this but i never come very far... |
| 16:30.18 | Ronin | heh bit more then 2 lines there melao- |
| 16:30.46 | Neikius | i'll try that search now... |
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| 16:31.58 | loggygreg | why is there "deb file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build main" in sources.list ? |
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| 16:33.04 | xumbi_ | can anyone help me with a software raid question? |
| 16:33.33 | Neikius | well, quite useless, i have to learn governors (wth is that) and some crazy numbers to operate this XD |
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| 16:33.45 | Neikius | sick |
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| 16:34.18 | kspath | melao-: the problem is some people are running ircclient in 80x24 terminals which means you filled almost a third of their screens probably. |
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| 16:34.39 | melao- | i see |
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| 16:35.42 | kspath | melao-: I am running irssi in a 120x62 or larger so for me it was almost nothing |
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| 16:37.19 | broomy | bra? |
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| 16:37.51 | Neikius | well i get a feeling that default kernel has frequency scaling disabled |
| 16:37.56 | Neikius | which is kinda weird |
| 16:38.00 | Ronin | he tell me those arent porn bots pOLice and RuDeGiRL[AWAY] |
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| 16:38.35 | broomy | how can i turn of the output firestarter makes in shell? |
| 16:38.39 | melao- | can anyone who got apt-proxy to work help me, plz? |
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| 16:39.05 | xNinja | hello... |
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| 16:39.37 | xNinja | i am trying to install coppermine photo gallery...but when i put the path for imagemagick /usr/bin/convert it says wrong path...what to do ? |
| 16:39.51 | xNinja | using debian sarge |
| 16:40.00 | azeem | xNinja: did you install imagemagick? |
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| 16:40.31 | xNinja | apt-get install imagemagick yep i did, and when i type convert its working |
| 16:41.03 | xNinja | but in coppermine when i put the full path it says it can`t access that path |
| 16:41.18 | azeem | that is strange |
| 16:41.40 | Neikius | ok now this is sick |
| 16:41.45 | broomy | is there a way i can turn off the output firestarter or iptables makes in shell? its anoying to se some wierd messages when im not running X |
| 16:41.47 | Neikius | keyboard is missing a key |
| 16:42.05 | Neikius | i cant write (is greater/is smaller) character |
| 16:42.11 | petemc | broomy: try /msg dpkg printk console |
| 16:42.13 | Neikius | the hell |
| 16:42.15 | Neikius | +'Å¡ |
| 16:42.29 | broomy | petemc, what does that do? |
| 16:42.38 | petemc | broomy: did you read it? |
| 16:42.47 | broomy | no |
| 16:42.50 | petemc | ... |
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| 16:48.53 | Mike3 | abrotman, are you there?? |
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| 16:51.08 | Mike3 | anyone know how I can view the source code to my running kernel |
| 16:51.09 | Mike3 | ? |
| 16:51.14 | Mike3 | or to any kernel installed on my system |
| 16:51.26 | xNinja | i am trying to install coppermine photo gallery...when i type the path for imagemagick wich is /usr/bin/convert it says that it cant access there....so what should i do ? |
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| 16:51.29 | stew | Mike3: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 16:55.37 | Neikius | anyone had any success with getting pentium-m to work at lower speeds? like 600/800 mhz |
| 16:55.50 | petemc | lots of people |
| 16:55.53 | Neikius | i can do it on windows via speedswitchxp, but linux seems to not be able to do it |
| 16:56.02 | Neikius | petemc: then how? |
| 16:56.11 | petemc | Neikius: i used to use powernowd |
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| 16:56.33 | Coke | Does "USB Mass Storage Class" mean that it will work with Debian's kernels? (usbfs) |
| 16:57.04 | Neikius | Starting powernowd: required sysfs objects not found! |
| 16:57.09 | petemc | Coke: id imagine thats a bit too vague |
| 16:57.12 | Mike3 | 2.4.27-2-686-smp but i am looking for source code on 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
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| 16:57.22 | Mike3 | stew, 2.4.27-2-686-smp but i am looking for source code on 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 16:57.40 | Coke | Let me rephrase, the usb-storage driver works with USB devices listed ass "USB Mass Storage" |
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| 16:58.05 | Coke | petemc: it's as close to actual information as I can get with JVC:s (and the other vendors) white papers. |
| 16:58.06 | stew | Mike3: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 16:58.06 | thingfish | Mike3: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8-686 |
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| 16:58.22 | thingfish | oh yes, sorry |
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| 16:58.41 | stew | Mike3: mine will put a .tar.bz2 into /usr/src |
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| 16:58.54 | petemc | Coke: you mentioned usbfs, theres no more info in /proc/bus/usb/devices ? |
| 16:58.58 | stew | Mike3: it will be an unconfigured, the config is /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 16:58.59 | petemc | or some such |
| 16:59.25 | Neikius | petemc: this wont do |
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| 16:59.32 | Coke | petemc: I haven't bought the product yet, but digital cameras that works with the usb-storage driver lists as "Mass Storage" in devices. |
| 16:59.53 | Coke | petemc: I'm considering buying the video camera, but I'm unsure if it will work at all under Debian. |
| 16:59.54 | stew | Mike3: if you are trying to compile some 3rd party driver, you don't need/want kernel sources, btw |
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| 17:00.10 | Neikius | it seems i need to rebuild kernel, well nice |
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| 17:01.12 | wdamn | what should I install to run eclipse with sarge stable? |
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| 17:01.40 | SerajewelKS | wdamn: java |
| 17:01.40 | Mike3 | stew, ok so if I want to get this megaraid2 driver in there whats the best approach? |
| 17:01.50 | SerajewelKS | wdamn: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 17:02.34 | stew | Mike3: compiling a 3rd party driver you should only need kernel headers not kernel sources (you aren't going to rebuild the entire kenrel, just add a module to an existing kernel) |
| 17:03.10 | stew | Mike3: i'm not too familiar with megaraid2 however, but is it supported in newer kernels? you might try just installing a 2.6.15 kernel from backports.org instead |
| 17:03.37 | keherman | how can i escape a whoe bash variable when feeding it to sed's search and replace? i dont know what the value will be ahead of time to escape it properly |
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| 17:04.19 | erde_ | Hi |
| 17:04.24 | erde_ | I need a repository with actual debian-packages of enlightnment. Anybody an idea / proposition? |
| 17:04.30 | Mike3 | stew, the megaraid2 driver should work in 2.6.10 and on, i was looking throught the /drivers/scsi/megaraid from the sorce. I have never thought of backports.org, this is better you think? |
| 17:05.07 | stew | Mike3: yes |
| 17:05.07 | keherman | so --> saved=`grep -i "some string" /tmp/myfile` | sed 's/${saved}/#${saved}/g |
| 17:05.24 | keherman | s/|/&& |
| 17:05.35 | snackasaur | erde_: erm, make a package out of the wikipedia daily updates? |
| 17:05.40 | loggygreg | erde_: "deb http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ unstable main" but i don(t konw if it works (DR17) |
| 17:05.50 | Ronin | erde_: you tried apt-get install enlightenment? |
| 17:06.07 | lolman | keherman: /join #bash |
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| 17:06.44 | Neikius | hum |
| 17:06.48 | Neikius | i need ncurses |
| 17:06.58 | Neikius | and apt cant find it is this usual_ |
| 17:06.59 | Neikius | ? |
| 17:07.08 | Pollywog | is there a way to discover what packages on my system use heimdal? |
| 17:07.17 | dut | Neikius, apt-get install libncurses5 |
| 17:07.29 | dut | Neikius, apt-cache search libncurses |
| 17:07.47 | erde_ | Yeah, loggygreg. This is the only one i use atm. :) ... But if the server will be down, i don't have an alternative. :) |
| 17:08.02 | stew | keherman: you can replace all of that with just awk '/some string/{print "#" $0}' < /tmp/myfile |
| 17:08.26 | erde_ | Ronin, i need actual packges, coz e17 [e16 @ 16.999.x] is very unstable. I don't know, if u know. :) |
| 17:08.29 | Neikius | dut |
| 17:08.32 | Neikius | dut: thanks |
| 17:08.41 | stew | keherman: which translates to, feed lines of myfile to awk, if a line matches /some string/ then print a '#' followed by the matching line |
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| 17:08.53 | keherman | stew, so is awk far superior to sed? |
| 17:09.17 | Pollywog | I thought they were for different things, keherman |
| 17:09.19 | markybob | different tools for different things. |
| 17:09.42 | stew | keherman: there are times to use either. /msg dpkg awk cheats |
| 17:09.45 | Mike3 | stew, in backports.org is kernel-image no longer used, instead linux-image?? |
| 17:09.46 | Pollywog | because many scripts use both |
| 17:09.53 | Mike3 | stew, i think i found it http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 17:10.19 | stew | Mike3: yes, sorry, all kernels >= 2.6.12 in debian were renamed linux- since we now have viable kernels which are non-linux |
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| 17:11.08 | loggygreg | stew: what sort of kernel ? |
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| 17:11.20 | stew | loggygreg: freebsd and hurd |
| 17:11.28 | loggygreg | steri: ok |
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| 17:12.00 | loggygreg | s/steri/stew |
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| 17:13.01 | Mike3 | stew, np. why is it that when i do an apt-get install linux-image i get nothing |
| 17:13.17 | stew | keherman: actually sed would work fine for what you were trying to do: sed -n '/some string/s/^/#/p' < /myfile |
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| 17:13.50 | stew | Mike3: you would want something like linux-image-2.6-686-smp |
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| 17:14.34 | Mike3 | stew, so are we no longer doing the virtual packing? |
| 17:15.12 | stew | Mike3: linux-image-2.6-686-smp is a virtual package as is linux-image-2.6 |
| 17:15.13 | vin` | Mike3: linux-image-2.6 |
| 17:15.36 | stew | Mike3: in this case it should depend on linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp |
| 17:17.34 | Pollywog | what are "reverse depends"? |
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| 17:17.47 | Mike3 | stew, vin, i get this when doing an apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686-smp, Package linux-image-2.6-686-smp is not available, but is referred to by another package, This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
| 17:17.56 | stew | Pollywog: something depending on a package instead of something a package depends on |
| 17:17.59 | keherman | stew, that trick worked great with sed! |
| 17:18.48 | stew | Mike3: have you run apt-get update since adding backports.org? apt-cache serach linux-image-2.6 |
| 17:18.56 | Pollywog | stew: so if I compile the heimdal package, it might tell me what other packages depend on it? |
| 17:19.06 | keherman | stew, i dind't know you could have a filter string before trying to build the destructing string |
| 17:19.12 | keherman | thanks |
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| 17:19.23 | stew | Pollywog: apt-cache repends heimdal |
| 17:19.28 | Pollywog | thanks stew |
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| 17:20.22 | stew | i'm guessing its not a coincidence that i just checked my email and there is a DSA on heimdal |
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| 17:22.51 | Neikius | well i can't even change performance state directly by manipulating limit in proc folder... so it must mean kernel doesnt support this ? |
| 17:22.56 | Neikius | gonna rebuild kernel... |
| 17:25.08 | stew | Neikius: do you have the speedstep-centrino module loaded? |
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| 17:25.52 | SlackRat | strange question here...i'm running sarge which behaves, well, like debian stable should...when running all Sid packages on a Kanotix install, apt-get doesnt recognize cd repos and claims installation problems, although the pkg is installed and running...in kpackage, and syaptic these apps seem to not know something was installed...or takes time to catch up on what was installed. Is this a problem specific to kanotix or the nature of unstable packages? |
| 17:26.34 | stew | SlackRat: ask #kanotix |
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| 17:26.45 | ATG | i, I got a couple of Sata disks on a nforce 4 motherboard, my problem is that fstab tryes to mount the filesystems before the sata\ide\chipset drivers has been loaded, so I just get lots of errors |
| 17:26.52 | ATG | how can I get the sata\ide\chipset drivers to load before lvm and fstab? |
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| 17:27.02 | stew | ATG: what kernel version? |
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| 17:27.46 | SpeedyBoo25 | hello all ! |
| 17:27.56 | SpeedyBoo25 | i'm new on knoppix system ... |
| 17:27.59 | SpeedyBoo25 | How are you ? |
| 17:28.10 | ATG | stew: hmm, 2 sec |
| 17:28.13 | stew | SpeedyBoo25: we're fine, you should be in #knoppix, not here |
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| 17:28.18 | thingfish | SpeedyBoo25: you want #knoppix |
| 17:28.21 | ATG | 2.6.8-12 |
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| 17:28.28 | ATG | debian 3.1 |
| 17:28.28 | SpeedyBoo25 | ok |
| 17:28.30 | SpeedyBoo25 | ty |
| 17:28.32 | SpeedyBoo25 | +++ |
| 17:28.34 | dut | :D |
| 17:28.55 | thingfish | they should all be like that. |
| 17:29.36 | mhall | thingfish: yoyo |
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| 17:29.41 | thingfish | hey mhall |
| 17:29.45 | ATG | stew: got a simple solution for me? |
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| 17:31.06 | stew | ATG: huh? you mean 2.6.8-2 version 2.6.8-12? |
| 17:31.19 | stew | ATG: or is that an amd kernel? or a ubuntu kernel or something? |
| 17:31.28 | SlackRat | whats the best place for non-programmers to get involved with debian? meaning specific projects or sites that need volunteers? especially documentation or advocacy? |
| 17:31.41 | Neikius | stew: well, i got a lack of governors.. |
| 17:31.45 | stew | SlackRat: qa.debian.org |
| 17:31.49 | Neikius | only available governor is performance |
| 17:31.52 | SlackRat | thanks stew |
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| 17:31.58 | Neikius | i cant switch ... |
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| 17:32.08 | Neikius | weird build for kernel it is |
| 17:32.25 | scottj | I haven't followed the development of console web browsers...is w3m still the best, or is there something new and better? |
| 17:32.48 | ft | scottj: elinks is pretty nice |
| 17:32.50 | stew | scottj: w3m-img and links2 -g seem to be the usual suspects |
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| 17:33.11 | ATG | stew: my fault, 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 17:33.13 | ATG | :) |
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| 17:34.24 | stew | ATG: you might try a newer kernel from backports.org, but i'm not sure. if you were already running a new kernel i'd blame it on one of the newer initrd tools but since your not, i'm not sure |
| 17:35.02 | c4_4e | can i make some routing rule to make 2 machines go out by an adsl-router with an EOA connection? |
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| 17:35.48 | roler | i'm looking for the ultimate console font good for coding and system administration... anyone know of one? |
| 17:36.27 | Ronin | ultimate console font? serious question? |
| 17:37.10 | vin` | Neikius: tried switching to userspace? |
| 17:37.17 | roler | I am yes |
| 17:37.25 | roler | monospace kind of stinks |
| 17:37.47 | Ronin | roler: then change it, theres no such thing as what your asking for its' too subjective to the user |
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| 17:38.34 | c4_4e | an adsl master here? |
| 17:39.51 | dut | roler, what about terminus? |
| 17:40.08 | Neikius | vin`:how can i switch to userspace? sys interface claims to know only performance governor |
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| 17:40.27 | Neikius | vin`: and proc interface wont change the policy... its stays at P0 |
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| 17:40.55 | Neikius | using default 2.6 kernel in testing... (stable is so outdated it doesnt even show battery status) |
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| 17:41.04 | dut | roler, from apt-cache show xfonts-terminus desc: "These are fixed-width fonts suitable for terminals, editors, etc. If you have to work for extended time in front of monitor (i.e. over eight hours), you may find that using of these fonts reduces your eyes-fatigue." |
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| 17:41.25 | ludovicus | hey all any of you ever use esd and ssh to listen to tunes at work |
| 17:41.31 | FlopsyPete | I just installed Sarge on a machine, upgraded to testing, upgraded to kernel 2.6.15 and it removed hotplug, why does it do this? |
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| 17:41.34 | ludovicus | i'm kind of stuck |
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| 17:41.44 | roler | dut; I just saw that, I am installing now! Thanks |
| 17:41.44 | ludovicus | i'm ssh'd in |
| 17:41.55 | ludovicus | esd is playing a song remotely |
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| 17:42.04 | vin` | Neikius: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors only has performance? |
| 17:42.06 | fatal_ | FlopsyPete: recent udev versions replace hotplug. |
| 17:42.14 | DartmanX2 | question: is there a "simple" way to cnfigure iptables firewalls for debian? I have iptables, but is there a preferred way of configuring the rules? |
| 17:42.24 | Neikius | vin`: true |
| 17:42.25 | ludovicus | I'm logged into a M$ workbox and trying to use fubar2000 |
| 17:42.28 | c4_4e | damn!, this doesn't work!... how's a rule to get 192.168.1.3 -> 192.168.1.1 (router with eoa-1) -> internet? |
| 17:42.33 | ludovicus | http://www.retout.uwcs.co.uk/mathsroom.html is the how i used |
| 17:42.40 | stew | FlopsyPete: becuase 2.6.15 needs a initrd tool by default it uses initramfs-tools which uses udev which conflicts with hotplug. if you want to keep hotplug and not use udev install yaird when you install the kernel |
| 17:42.47 | FlopsyPete | fatal_: ahh, ok. is it a problem then that there were scores of error messages on startup, unable to find hotplug? |
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| 17:43.19 | FlopsyPete | stew: do I want hotplug? I assume not |
| 17:43.20 | cmdKeen | how can I refresh automatic kernel list in /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 17:43.30 | stew | FlopsyPete: do you use gnome-volume-manager? |
| 17:43.36 | FlopsyPete | stew: very much so |
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| 17:43.52 | stew | FlopsyPete: then you cannot have hotplug, since g-v-m depends on udev |
| 17:43.56 | vin` | Neikius: what does grep CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_USERSPACE .config say? |
| 17:44.00 | stew | FlopsyPete: you should purge hotplug |
| 17:44.18 | Neikius | vin` where can i find .config? since i have stock testing thing |
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| 17:44.35 | Neikius | oh well lol @ me |
| 17:44.38 | stew | Neikius: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 17:44.45 | vin` | Neikius: in your kernel source dir or in /boot |
| 17:45.05 | FlopsyPete | stew: sounds straightforward. g-v-m is the only thing I know I need hotplug for; tho I did start to learn the other day how to setup auto networking of PCMCIA wireless using hotplug commands in interfaces |
| 17:45.08 | roler | dut; thanks much, logging out real quick |
| 17:45.17 | jair_11 | guys I am trying to umount a F^&*( directory and I keep getting the message "/home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX/instructor: device is busy" |
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| 17:45.49 | Neikius | it says module |
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| 17:45.56 | dut | jair_11, go out from MATRIX directory :-) |
| 17:46.01 | jair_11 | ok |
| 17:46.23 | jair_11 | dut, why if is mounted in the /home/guru/ |
| 17:46.26 | stew | jair_11: use fuser or lsof to see what process has a file open |
| 17:46.29 | vin` | Neikius: custom kernel? |
| 17:46.38 | jair_11 | stew, ok let me check |
| 17:46.40 | Neikius | vin`: no |
| 17:46.51 | Neikius | vin`: testing debian, installed today |
| 17:46.56 | dut | jair_11, it mounted in the /home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX i think |
| 17:47.02 | michiel1981 | Hi, there, I have problem on my debian box, I added extra memory but It isn't being used bu GRUB/DEBIAN but I see the correct amount in bios |
| 17:47.09 | dut | or /home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX/instructor |
| 17:47.17 | Neikius | vin`: what would be a name of the module if there is one? |
| 17:48.12 | jair_11 | dut, ok so you want me to go to the Matrix directory? |
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| 17:48.37 | jair_11 | stew, ok I should do fuser and the path: /home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX |
| 17:48.38 | jair_11 | ? |
| 17:49.06 | loggygreg | jair_11: quit /home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX/instructor and lsof /home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX/instructor |
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| 17:49.18 | jair_11 | I get this with fuser: guruji:/# fuser /home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX/instructor/ |
| 17:49.18 | jair_11 | /home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX/instructor/: 3854 |
| 17:49.22 | dli | any boot from usb hdd howto? |
| 17:49.38 | dut | jair_11, ps aux|grep 3854 |
| 17:49.44 | jair_11 | loggygreg, ok I will go to "/" |
| 17:49.50 | jair_11 | dut, ok |
| 17:50.06 | vin` | Neikius: not well versed with debian kernels, cpufreq_userspace maybe |
| 17:50.08 | jair_11 | loggygreg, guruji:/# pwd |
| 17:50.08 | jair_11 | guruji:/# |
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| 17:51.06 | vin` | Neikius: load it with 'modprobe cpufreq_userspace' |
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| 17:51.23 | jade | how can a second user view the tty session via screen at the same time e.g. piggy back mode? |
| 17:51.28 | jair_11 | loggygreg, COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 17:51.28 | jair_11 | kdeinit 3854 guru 128r DIR 0,14 4096 2 /home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX/instructor |
| 17:51.44 | bkhl | In a recent debian-user post there is a direction to "then using aptitude backrev xserver-xorg, and then hold the package." |
| 17:51.44 | bkhl | How do I do that exactly? |
| 17:51.53 | Neikius | vin`: well i got the module now, hm |
| 17:52.02 | bkhl | aptitude says it has no 'backrev' command |
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| 17:52.32 | jair_11 | dut, guru 3854 0.1 2.6 29252 20564 ? S 23:33 0:01 kdeinit: konqueror -mimetype inode/directory file:/home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX/instructor |
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| 17:52.42 | vin` | Neikius: what does /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors say now? |
| 17:52.48 | jair_11 | dut, that is the result of the ps aux | grep |
| 17:53.12 | Neikius | vin`: it has the userspace governor |
| 17:53.14 | avar | GFDL question: Where can I obtain the GFDL 1.1 and was there any GFDL 1.0 ? |
| 17:53.20 | Neikius | vin`: i changed the governor to userspace |
| 17:53.24 | loggygreg | jair_11: stop konqueror |
| 17:53.32 | Neikius | vin`: now which program should i use ? |
| 17:53.35 | jair_11 | loggygreg, ok |
| 17:53.40 | vin` | Neikius: to do what? |
| 17:53.40 | c4_4e | can i make a rule to get 192.168.1.3 -> 192.168.1.1 -> internet using an aoe-0 in a adsl router? |
| 17:53.44 | dut | jair_11, so you must close konqueror |
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| 17:54.05 | HazyNRG | hi, how can i reset my keymap? |
| 17:54.13 | jair_11 | dut, I am trying |
| 17:54.56 | Neikius | vin` to control cpu speed |
| 17:55.10 | jair_11 | dut, loggygreg I tried killall konqueror but nothing? |
| 17:55.18 | jade | answer is screen -x |
| 17:55.32 | Neikius | vin` aha, klaptop works now :D |
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| 17:55.46 | Neikius | vin`: ok nah, it vas a dejavu ... |
| 17:55.47 | dut | jair_11, it's don't killed? |
| 17:55.51 | jair_11 | guru 3854 0.1 2.6 29252 20564 ? S 23:33 0:01 kdeinit: konqueror -mimetype inode/directory file:/home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX/instructor |
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| 17:55.59 | kspath | wow wterm is handling some things that aterm does not handle as well, interesting... |
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| 17:56.15 | jair_11 | dut, guru 3854 0.1 2.6 29252 20564 ? S 23:33 0:01 kdeinit: konqueror -mimetype inode/directory file:/home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX/instructor it is still running though |
| 17:56.28 | vin` | Neikius: you could echo a value to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed |
| 17:56.38 | dut | jair_11, i don't know KDE but try: kill 3854 and pray what kde still alive :-) (joke) |
| 17:56.46 | jair_11 | haha |
| 17:56.52 | jair_11 | dut, ok |
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| 17:57.34 | HazyNRG | how can i change my keymap? |
| 17:57.36 | vin` | Neikius: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies shows you available freqs |
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| 17:58.19 | Neikius | vin`: well i could even write a program myself... how about throttling? |
| 17:59.06 | vin` | Neikius: after you change it, check if it worked in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq, haven't tried throttling. |
| 17:59.11 | jair_11 | dut, that make it work. |
| 17:59.15 | bogo | why does apt-get want to remove packages when I tell it to install something? |
| 17:59.22 | Neikius | vin`: i did cat /proc/cpuinfo and it indeed works |
| 17:59.30 | jair_11 | dut, did not unmounted but killed the process then I could umount it ;) |
| 17:59.30 | seb- | bogo: conflicts? |
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| 17:59.57 | jair_11 | dut, so what did you do? how did you find the process #? |
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| 18:00.50 | Neikius | vin`: do you know klaptop applet ? (it was called kpowersave back on suse)... since it has intresting features, but just doesn't work |
| 18:00.51 | dut | jair_11, so smbumount /home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX/instructor |
| 18:01.10 | bogo | seb-: maybe so. but if it is going to update something like libc6 why does it remove everything that depends on it, won't the new version be backwards compatible? |
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| 18:01.30 | jair_11 | dut, ok, then? |
| 18:01.46 | seb- | bogo: prolly deletes problematic packages and installs new ones friendly to your new package |
| 18:01.53 | dut | jair_11, so it's umounted |
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| 18:02.41 | vin` | Neikius: no. |
| 18:02.47 | bogo | u see, I want to install the Jack audio kit, and it wants to remove everything KDE |
| 18:03.41 | Neikius | vin`: well thanks, at least i can get some profit out of mobile procesor :D |
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| 18:03.52 | bogo | if it has to update some libraries, won't the existing version of these KDE packages work with the new libraries? |
| 18:04.38 | jair_11 | dut, yes everyhting works |
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| 18:04.46 | jair_11 | dut, what we did was this: 1) lsof /home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX/instructor 2)ps aux|grep 3854 3)kill 3854 4) umount /home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX/instructor |
| 18:04.51 | azeem | bogo: that depends whether the new libraries are backwards-compatible |
| 18:05.10 | jair_11 | so we can create some kind of quick solution for people with similar problems. |
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| 18:05.46 | bogo | azeem: shouldn't all libraries be backwards-compatible? |
| 18:06.20 | wireddd | hmm I am getting a ton of 10.x.x.x broadcast traffic in on my cable modem |
| 18:06.43 | destr0__ | I need to install a modem on my current debian system. When looking through the main insallation docs, I don't see a section on modems, are there any howto's that anyone knows of offhand out on the web? |
| 18:07.27 | wireddd | destr0__, a cable/dsl modem or a regular modem? |
| 18:07.29 | loggygreg | jair_11: it's better to do it yourself since you can loose data when you kill a process |
| 18:07.36 | destr0__ | regular faxmodem |
| 18:07.40 | dut | jair_11, 1) man lsof -- lists PID of processes what use file. 2) man ps -- show list of all processes, man grep -- print only needed string(which contains 3854) from output of ps aux. 3) man kill -- kill the process. 4) man smbumount -- just umount filesystem :D |
| 18:07.54 | azeem | bogo: they should |
| 18:08.13 | jair_11 | dut, 1) lsof /home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX/instructor 2)ps aux|grep 3854 3)kill 3854 4) umount /home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX/instructordut nice |
| 18:08.14 | azeem | bogo: in the case of KDE, a different C++ ABI of gcc-4.0 might complicate things |
| 18:08.21 | jair_11 | dut, nice |
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| 18:08.34 | jair_11 | loggygreg, so it is not good the way we did it? |
| 18:08.46 | bogo | is there a way to simply install everything and not remove anything? |
| 18:08.53 | wireddd | destr0__, I have no idea, i've had broadband for way to long |
| 18:09.03 | wireddd | google it |
| 18:09.37 | jair_11 | loggygreg, so it is not recommended the way we just did it with "dut"? |
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| 18:09.45 | loggygreg | jair_11: it's better to check what process you kill |
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| 18:10.56 | jair_11 | the process I killed was on that case = 3854 |
| 18:11.22 | jair_11 | loggygreg, kdeinit 3854 guru 128r DIR 0,14 4096 2 /home/guru/smb4k/MATRIX/instructor |
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| 18:13.02 | wily_ | hi all |
| 18:13.09 | wily_ | i've a problem (another) |
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| 18:13.28 | wily_ | when i launch mplayer by shell |
| 18:13.32 | kimjohansen | hi, i have a problem too :) |
| 18:13.38 | wily_ | it become stalled |
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| 18:13.47 | wily_ | kplayer seems work |
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| 18:14.01 | wily_ | can anyone help me? |
| 18:14.14 | loggygreg | jair_11: yes you have killed this process and all is wright but it's good to check what process you kill so a script is not a good solution |
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| 18:14.42 | dut | wily_, how you start mplayer? |
| 18:14.50 | wily_ | by shell |
| 18:15.13 | wily_ | dut, can i paste u error? |
| 18:15.30 | jair_11 | loggygreg, I see what you mean |
| 18:15.32 | dut | wily_, okay, you may paste in private :D |
| 18:15.57 | kimjohansen | anyone know why i only get 10% of my internet speed in agnula? |
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| 18:16.29 | kimjohansen | agnula based on debian |
| 18:16.34 | jair_11 | loggygreg, dut thank you very much, |
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| 18:16.41 | jair_11 | dut, you rock :) |
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| 18:16.46 | klync | i did a lot of playing around with my sources.list, and i want to flush all my cached info because dselect wants to do some weird things... can anyone advise on that? |
| 18:17.00 | dut | jair_11, you're welcome |
| 18:17.00 | klync | (please don't tell me to use aptitude - that's not the question) |
| 18:17.35 | fnor | klync: I almost did :) |
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| 18:17.59 | klync | fnor: lol... knew it! i saw that coming before i even /joined |
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| 18:18.27 | fnor | klync: it's so good piece of sotfware, cannot help ! |
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| 18:19.07 | klync | fnor: one of these days i'll get the swing of it, but i still prefer dselect, and regardless of whether i was to start using aptitude, i want this weirdness _fixed_ :) |
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| 18:20.07 | fnor | klync: is there any "clean" command in dselect ? |
| 18:20.14 | mtgh | What is a good package to select a network for wireless, enter the wep key, and then attach to the network run dhclient, etc as in the windows way? |
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| 18:21.20 | fnor | klync: maybe do "apt-get clean" before you restart dselect |
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| 18:21.54 | klync | fnor: that's sort of what i'm wondering... i think it marked some things as selected for installation while my sources were configured wrong, and it's still got that info in there... e.g. doing `apt-get upgrade` doesn't suck in gcc4.0, but running through dselect without changing any values does... and also leads to a gourdian knot of dependencies |
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| 18:24.04 | fnor | klync: that the reason why I hate dselect from the start |
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| 18:24.31 | fnor | klync: I was using apt-get before I switched to aptitude |
| 18:25.06 | klync | fnor: yeah, but the stubbornly logical part of me wants to at least understand how to fix this, regardless of switching to a better tool |
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| 18:26.13 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:26.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 18:27.15 | fnor | klync: I see, please switch as soon as you understand. You won't regret it. dselect is a dynosaur ;-) |
| 18:27.22 | klync | lol... k |
| 18:27.34 | NOthsouth | Hello, I`m on debian testing, in what repository I can find wine32codecs ?? |
| 18:28.12 | beardy | NOthsouth: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 18:28.12 | thingfish | NOthsouth: I think that's in marillat (and it's w32codecs). |
| 18:28.29 | NOthsouth | beardy, thingfish , thx |
| 18:28.36 | thingfish | no problem. |
| 18:29.13 | wireddd | how can I see how much free space is on all of my partitions? |
| 18:29.19 | beardy | wireddd: df |
| 18:29.28 | wireddd | thanks, couldn't remember it |
| 18:29.38 | Rawplayer | write it down |
| 18:30.23 | beardy | wireddd: apropos space |
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| 18:31.42 | klync | fnor: fwiw, looks like this might do it: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/06/msg00945.html |
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| 18:33.26 | fnor | klync: Seems to do. If not, can try "aptitude -P install". The '?' will tell you what key to use to install/removed packages |
| 18:34.01 | |yang| | did anyone ever sell books on amazon? |
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| 18:35.42 | amee2k | is there an ed2k server and/or a bt tracker in the repos? |
| 18:35.53 | HazyNRG | how to change the keymap plz? |
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| 18:35.56 | bushito | did debian testing updated to xorg 6.9??? =O |
| 18:35.57 | beardy | !tess amee2k -about search |
| 18:36.03 | Neikius | hm |
| 18:36.08 | beardy | bushito: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:36.09 | Neikius | i have some hardcore problems with sound |
| 18:36.23 | beardy | !tell amee2k -about search |
| 18:36.24 | abrotman | Mike334: ? |
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| 18:36.48 | edrin | nvidia kernel thing is broken in debian testing right?? |
| 18:37.00 | amee2k | he he |
| 18:37.02 | amee2k | ty :) |
| 18:37.22 | Neikius | only 1 application can use sound on my system... |
| 18:37.30 | Neikius | and only OSS driver works... |
| 18:37.34 | Neikius | any clues? |
| 18:37.56 | beardy | Neikius: Be specific. Which application works? |
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| 18:38.11 | Neikius | beardy: one application at the time |
| 18:38.49 | Neikius | beardy: kmixer only finds my modem as soundcard |
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| 18:39.15 | Neikius | ./dev/dsp works if i select oss driver |
| 18:39.25 | beardy | Neikius: Sounds like you need a sound daemon to be able to output sound frommore than one program then. Which kernel are you running? |
| 18:39.39 | Neikius | i have todays testing debian with stock kernel |
| 18:39.46 | Neikius | 2.6.15 i think |
| 18:39.51 | beardy | !alsa 2.6 |
| 18:39.51 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
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| 18:39.54 | Neikius | I've had this problem on this computer efore |
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| 18:39.57 | Neikius | *before |
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| 18:40.02 | beardy | Should be the same for etch. |
| 18:40.11 | Neikius | ah |
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| 18:40.46 | Neikius | why aint it default? |
| 18:41.12 | beardy | Neikius: Hardware setups are not default. |
| 18:41.19 | abrotman | if you want /dev/dsp .. load the alsa-oss stufs |
| 18:41.29 | Neikius | beardy: I don't get it |
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| 18:41.47 | Neikius | why must i manually install alsa since oss is crap anyway? |
| 18:41.49 | beardy | Neikius: People have different hardware. |
| 18:41.57 | beardy | Neikius: It's not crap. |
| 18:42.10 | Neikius | beardy: from the user viewpoint it is |
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| 18:42.29 | beardy | Neikius: Worked fine for me for ages when I used it. |
| 18:42.34 | Neikius | beardy: and thanks for the help, not to sound ungrateful |
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| 18:43.36 | beardy | Neikius: You're welcome. Don't worry, I just don't agree with you about oss. But if you can, I agree that you should use alsa. |
| 18:43.42 | Neikius | beardy, well it works, but is quite the "windows way" style thing ... locking resources |
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| 18:44.18 | Neikius | sure it works ok for me, used it too, but I don't like drivers/programs that lock resources they use, esp. when not necessary |
| 18:44.18 | piclez | hi how can I install DBA package? |
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| 18:44.55 | beardy | Neikius: Not with a real soundcard it doesn't, or how doyou mean? |
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| 18:45.13 | madclicker | how do i fend off ssh port attacks? |
| 18:45.25 | beardy | madclicker: Don't run ssh, or firewall it. |
| 18:45.27 | Neikius | beardy: well I had similar problems with oss on sb live a few years back... |
| 18:45.38 | john | madclicker: one you might want to set up ssh on a different port (not a COMPLETE fix in ANYWAY) but a good start |
| 18:45.49 | beardy | Neikius: Ok. Well, now you can use alsa. :) |
| 18:45.51 | madclicker | beardy, isn't there some sort of software like "potsentry" ? |
| 18:45.52 | john | set up your hosts.deny and hosts.allow as well |
| 18:46.09 | stew | madclicker: fail2ban |
| 18:46.12 | Gnea | madclicker: portsentry |
| 18:46.21 | Neikius | well yep :D i just never thought it isn't installed so I didn't even bother to check... |
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| 18:46.31 | madclicker | stew, thanks |
| 18:46.35 | elvirolo | hi all |
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| 18:46.50 | elvirolo | can anyone help me set up a NFS share on my WLAN ? |
| 18:47.20 | madclicker | stew, there is no such package :( |
| 18:48.02 | stew | madclicker: it might not be in stable |
| 18:48.06 | stew | !depends fail2ban |
| 18:48.36 | beardy | madclicker: Check backports.org? |
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| 18:48.53 | stew | madclicker: i'm pretty sure the dependencies are simple enough you could just install it on stable |
| 18:49.21 | madclicker | stew, roger |
| 18:49.52 | RichiH | where is the ip address of an interface stored in /sys? |
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| 18:50.09 | dpkg | fail2ban: depends on python, iptables |
| 18:50.37 | beardy | Neikius: So, is your sound working ok now? |
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| 18:55.33 | ludovicus | hey all, was hoping for some advice on how to hook up xmms with ssh for remote tunes |
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| 18:56.04 | Loevborg | Is it possible to have a directory showing (merging) the contents of two other, physically separate, directories? |
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| 18:57.17 | beardy | Loevborg: symbolic links? |
| 18:57.54 | S4nD3r | I have this when started my firewall script.. iptables v1.2.9: Unknown arg `--dport'... How to discover the problem ?? |
| 18:57.59 | Loevborg | beardy, the downside being that I need to update the links everytime I update the indivudal dirs |
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| 18:58.17 | beardy | Loevborg: Yes. Do they get updated often? |
| 18:58.37 | Loevborg | beardy, yes, it's a music collection |
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| 19:00.04 | beardy | Loevborg: If you write a script that updates the links to the files, if they doesn't already exist, and run it manually when you have updated the directories, or periodically with cron, perhaps that would be enough? |
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| 19:00.30 | NOthsouth | How can I resolv the problem to play more than One sound at same time ? |
| 19:00.48 | Loevborg | beardy, yes maybe (I also need to remove stale links, too) |
| 19:00.53 | Loevborg | beardy, a bit hackish tho |
| 19:00.54 | beardy | Loevborg: Unless you need it to update more frequently than like every 5 or 1 minute or so. |
| 19:01.11 | rokstar | hi, i have a problem. I transferred my OS from HDA to HDB. I re-create all the partitions, copied the files. Then i fisically removed HDA, so that the actual HDA is the old HDB. So far so good, no problem. Then i restarted the system with a knoppix, mounted all the devices in their right path. Then i tried to load LILO on the mbr... but: "lilo -t Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/hda")". What do i have to do? :( |
| 19:01.25 | Loevborg | beardy, but a cron job is mabye a good idea |
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| 19:03.29 | Loevborg | thanks! |
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| 19:03.50 | feistel | hi |
| 19:03.55 | feistel | I need help |
| 19:04.04 | abrotman | dpkg: help feistel |
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| 19:04.11 | feistel | no |
| 19:04.17 | beardy | feistel: Just ask your question and perhaps someone can and will answer. |
| 19:04.20 | abrotman | feistel: you need to ask |
| 19:04.22 | feistel | ok |
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| 19:05.26 | feistel | how I can execute a command everytime a apt-get database is modified (p.e.: a package is installed, a package is removed, ...), something line in apt.conf |
| 19:05.28 | feistel | ? |
| 19:05.33 | feistel | any suggest? |
| 19:05.34 | justletters | hello can i mount a ftp place as a path? like mounting gmail |
| 19:06.09 | Seb | feistel: what are you trying to accomplish ? |
| 19:06.16 | Seb | justletters: yes, using fuse |
| 19:06.22 | Seb | justletters: search google |
| 19:06.22 | beardy | feistel: It's only modified when you do it manually, so just run whatever you need to run afterwards? |
| 19:06.33 | Neikius | ok just a short one, how should i mount cue/bin image ? |
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| 19:06.52 | justletters | seb: sweet :):) |
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| 19:07.01 | andriijas | how do i change the keyboard layout? |
| 19:07.05 | beardy | feistel: If you have some script doing upgrades or similar, modify it. |
| 19:07.15 | beardy | !keymap |
| 19:07.15 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 19:07.32 | beardy | !charset |
| 19:07.39 | feistel | beardy: I need put some in a automatic fashion |
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| 19:07.49 | Seb | Neikius: ain't like google doesn't know about this one |
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| 19:08.03 | Neikius | well found some .iso stuff... |
| 19:08.03 | Seb | feistel: are you gonna tell us what you're trying to do ? |
| 19:08.10 | feistel | yes |
| 19:08.21 | Seb | Neikius: isos can be mounted using mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt |
| 19:08.24 | stew | Neikius: .bin/.cue isn't at all decriptive. what does the .bin contain? |
| 19:08.30 | omry | hi, how do I grep word1 OR word2? |
| 19:08.30 | tarzeau | Seb: don't forget ro, |
| 19:08.38 | feistel | I have a Kubuntu desktop installed here, in a employees PCs |
| 19:08.40 | tarzeau | omry: \| ? |
| 19:08.41 | Neikius | well cd image? :D |
| 19:08.44 | karmatronic23 | fgrep (word1|word2) |
| 19:08.53 | feistel | when them execute adept to update |
| 19:09.04 | feistel | I need send a email to me |
| 19:09.04 | Neikius | i am just kinda tired after whole afternoon trying to make this work... |
| 19:09.08 | beardy | feistel: /join #kubuntu |
| 19:09.11 | feistel | no |
| 19:09.15 | feistel | is a apt-get question |
| 19:09.24 | beardy | feistel: Do you run Debian? |
| 19:09.29 | Seb | tarzeau: ? |
| 19:09.31 | feistel | yes |
| 19:09.34 | beardy | feistel: On the machine you are asking about? |
| 19:09.45 | tarzeau | Seb: iso is read only |
| 19:09.45 | Seb | tarzeau: so ? |
| 19:09.45 | feistel | beardy: is the same |
| 19:09.53 | beardy | feistel: Why mention kubuntu then? /join #kubuntu |
| 19:09.58 | Seb | tarzeau: you don't need to say 'ro' ,like you odn't need to when mounting a cdrom/dvdrom |
| 19:10.02 | tarzeau | true |
| 19:10.11 | feistel | rihjt |
| 19:10.13 | feistel | right |
| 19:10.22 | Seb | tarzeau: you say 'ro' for something that could potentially be rw, when you don't want rw |
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| 19:10.37 | tarzeau | Seb: right |
| 19:10.43 | Seb | heh |
| 19:10.43 | iostream | Hi.. Would it be possible to do a dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/backup/image, and then later dd if=/backup/image of=/dev/hda1 .. If you know what I mean... Any flags I should use for this purpose? |
| 19:10.56 | Seb | iostream: only if the 2 drives are exactly identical |
| 19:11.11 | iostream | Seb: /backup/image is not at drive, but a file.. |
| 19:11.25 | iostream | Seb: And /mnt/hda1 won't change.. yes |
| 19:11.30 | iostream | even /dev/hda1 |
| 19:11.31 | Neikius | oh found the converter to bin/cue->iso ... |
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| 19:11.36 | Seb | iostream: then yeah, if you intend to restore on the same one, it's fine |
| 19:11.37 | omry | tarzeau, I tried : cat /var/log/apache2/access.log | grep "video|mp3" but got nothing. |
| 19:11.44 | whitt | whats up everyone? |
| 19:11.50 | karmatronic23 | use egrep instead |
| 19:11.50 | iostream | Seb: yep, I do |
| 19:11.54 | Seb | omry: unneeded use of cat ;) |
| 19:11.54 | stew | iostream: yes that works fine. you don't need any special flags, in fact you could just use cp if you prefer |
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| 19:12.06 | whitt | ive been using mepis and ive tried alot of other distros but id really like to try debian!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:12.10 | beardy | omry: Read what you were told again. |
| 19:12.13 | whitt | anyone have any recommendations? |
| 19:12.15 | tarzeau | whitt: do so! |
| 19:12.18 | stew | whitt: /msg dpkg ig ; /msg dpkg d-i |
| 19:12.24 | azeem | whitt: try it |
| 19:12.29 | iostream | stew: Err... no..? I can't copy the filesystem with cp, now can I .. |
| 19:12.31 | tarzeau | whitt: only the debian is teh real thing |
| 19:12.34 | stew | iostream: yes, you can |
| 19:12.40 | ben___ | debian is the best debian out there |
| 19:12.41 | whitt | i see |
| 19:12.50 | ben___ | mepis, ubuntu, kanotic, etc dont compare |
| 19:12.53 | iostream | stew: heh okay, didn't know that. |
| 19:12.56 | omry | beardy, ah, missed the \ |
| 19:13.06 | stew | iostream: dd if=/dev/hda of=/some/file ; cp /dev/hda /some/file ; cat /dev/hda > /some/file <-- all do the same thing |
| 19:13.07 | omry | tarzeau, thanks. |
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| 19:13.21 | iostream | stew: Then, which is fastest? |
| 19:14.22 | stew | iostream: probably something like dd if=... of=... bs=1M ; where 1M is *some* value that works well for your hardware |
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| 19:14.30 | pm_ | any one knows which option of pdbedit force the user to change its passwd at login? |
| 19:14.32 | beardy | omry: eh, no, the parantheses |
| 19:14.57 | iostream | stew: Okay, how do I configure bs?.. My system has 3GB RAM, if that helps? |
| 19:15.00 | stew | iostream: however any of them should be able to keep up with the write speed of the target disk |
| 19:15.08 | tarzeau | iostream: the fastest is not always the bestest. |
| 19:15.24 | iostream | tarzeau: He said they do the samething!.. |
| 19:15.35 | stew | iostream: i have no idea, it would depend on a lot of things, the hard drives the controllers... |
| 19:15.49 | omry | beardy, actually I grep "video\|mp3" seems to work. |
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| 19:17.38 | NOthsouth | hello, I`m having problems with sound here, I can`t play more than one sound at same time, My Skype do not work too |
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| 19:18.57 | karmatronic23 | beardy egrep 'video|mp3' /var/log/apache.log |
| 19:19.19 | karmatronic23 | beardy u dont need thoses parenthese |
| 19:19.30 | flip-EAT-flip | i need to sit in #hungover |
| 19:19.35 | eeyore- | does anybody still pay attention to john dvorak? "apple to switch to windows" :-) this finally proves it, he's (a) senile and (b) gas bag |
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| 19:19.56 | flip-EAT-flip | eeyore-: on what? twit or his podcast? |
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| 19:20.12 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: he's been a raving lunatic for over a decade now. |
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| 19:20.24 | eeyore- | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1923151,00.asp |
| 19:20.32 | markybob | bullshit |
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| 19:20.48 | markybob | eeyore-, and most people here go to /. so you dont have to link the channel :) |
| 19:21.07 | eeyore- | markybob: don't get your pantyhose in a knot :-) |
| 19:21.43 | markybob | eeyore-, you never know...i might like that kinda thing |
| 19:21.47 | eeyore- | NOthsouth: (a) get a card that can handle multiple streams, or (b) run a sound multiplexing daemon |
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| 19:22.15 | eeyore- | NOthsouth: (b) is probably better for you, since you don't have to get new hardware :-) look at arts or ... esound |
| 19:22.45 | tarzeau | hey markybob |
| 19:23.02 | markybob | tarzeau, greetings |
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| 19:23.18 | tarzeau | markybob: the netinstall cd inventor, right? |
| 19:23.24 | NOthsouth | eeyore-, i`m using arts |
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| 19:23.49 | markybob | tarzeau, worked on it with a couple of other people back in the day. cant take full credit :) |
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| 19:24.47 | eeyore- | NOthsouth: you *think* you're using arts (in other words, whatever you were doing at the time didn't use arts output) |
| 19:24.58 | FlimFlamMan | is there a version of psycopg for python2.4 in sarge? |
| 19:25.03 | eeyore- | NOthsouth: "running arts" != "using arts" |
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| 19:26.54 | mikeB | must go now 1 alienware area51m 5700 notebook price 550 includes sameday shipipng, case, wireless router and 30gb apple ipod. message me if interested on aim at itscrazyguymike or msn at mcsltd@telusmail.net if interested. THIS MUST GO TODAY! |
| 19:27.55 | NOthsouth | eeyore-, i see |
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| 19:28.06 | jetscreamer | mikeb's not banned yet? |
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| 19:28.28 | NOthsouth | eeyore-, there is any way to call some app. and use some parameters for use arts ? |
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| 19:31.06 | samljer22 | Can someone tell me a good non-x web browser? |
| 19:31.18 | deadcat | samljer22: links2 elinks |
| 19:31.35 | beardy | !ops deal with mikeB , spammer |
| 19:31.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: deal with mikeB , spammer |
| 19:31.39 | samljer22 | thanks, and a good text editor? i dont like VI much lol |
| 19:31.50 | NOthsouth | nano |
| 19:31.51 | beardy | samljer22: lynx, w3m |
| 19:31.54 | deadcat | samljer22: nano |
| 19:31.55 | ben___ | nano is good |
| 19:31.58 | mcgreg | samljer22: vim |
| 19:32.13 | samljer22 | thank you for all your help:) gotta go apt :) bby |
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| 19:32.36 | beardy | samljer22: emacs, nano, 'apt-cache search editor' |
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| 19:33.51 | FlimFlamMan | is psycopg available prebuilt for python 2.4 on debian-sarge? |
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| 19:34.19 | black_ | somebody use eclipse? |
| 19:34.20 | beardy | FlimFlamMan: Have you looked for it? /msg dpkg search |
| 19:34.41 | FlimFlamMan | beardy, i found one in apt for python2.3, but i need 2.4 |
| 19:35.33 | samljer22 | whats the command to add user accounts? <- been awhile since i used debian |
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| 19:36.39 | markybob | samljer22, man adduser :) |
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| 19:37.24 | black_ | somebody use eclipse? |
| 19:37.56 | user__ | i used once |
| 19:37.58 | user__ | :) |
| 19:38.21 | _unstable | black_: i used it once too |
| 19:38.25 | user__ | :D |
| 19:38.27 | black_ | I have a problem |
| 19:38.34 | _unstable | black_: /join #eclipse |
| 19:38.36 | black_ | do you have the eclipse installed in your pcs? |
| 19:38.38 | _unstable | !tell black_ about eclipse |
| 19:38.39 | deadcat | black_: they only used it once. |
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| 19:39.52 | user__ | it dons't make me an eclipse user i supouse |
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| 19:42.21 | elnovato | hi, whats the name of the kernel modules package? |
| 19:42.25 | Dabian | I run a combo of Sarge and SID (shame on me), now I wonder how to get "/dev/dsp" .. I prefer alsa sound, but I want to listen to OSS-only programs also, and some of these needs a /dev/dsp. |
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| 19:42.49 | user__ | Dabian do you have alsa-base installed? |
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| 19:42.58 | markybob | Dabian, snd_pcm_oss i believe is the compatibility module |
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| 19:43.06 | Dabian | markybob : OK |
| 19:43.21 | Dabian | user__: How do I tell? |
| 19:43.30 | user__ | Dabian apt-get install alsa-base |
| 19:43.41 | user__ | if it works - you have not |
| 19:43.42 | Eulex_ | Dabian, the alsa-oss package provides oss emulation |
| 19:44.11 | gige2006 | Hi everybody, has somene installed debian over an AS/400 system? |
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| 19:44.21 | adub | gosh i cant stand this all of a sudden now i can not write to my usb flash drive it is friggin read only and i did not do anything to the drive itself i havent changed anything i have rebooted shutdown still read only changed various settings in /etc/fstab as well????? |
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| 19:44.24 | user__ | and mixing stable and unstable packages is best way to have broken package system |
| 19:44.37 | elnovato | as/400 is like a pentium 1 , rite? |
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| 19:45.03 | gige2006 | as/400 is a PowerPC system 64 bits (mainframe) |
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| 19:45.25 | Eulex_ | adub, what file system have you got on the disk |
| 19:45.41 | Eulex_ | gige2006, the install guide should tell if you can install on an as/400 or not. |
| 19:45.42 | Eulex_ | !ig |
| 19:45.42 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 19:46.33 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 19:46.36 | gige2006 | Eulex, thanks. |
| 19:46.56 | Eulex_ | gige2006, yw :) |
| 19:47.05 | adub | fat |
| 19:47.11 | gypsymauro | there is a program to extract from a Packages file only the two fields : Package and Description? |
| 19:47.12 | adub | eulex i have FAT32 I BELIEVE |
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| 19:47.39 | adub | eulex_ i have b een working on this forever if you could help me figure out whats goinog on man it would be a blessing |
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| 19:48.23 | adub | W95 FAT32 eulex_ it is fat32 |
| 19:48.32 | novato | I need the drivers for Video Card sis 661FX/M661FX/M661MX/741/M741/760/M760 PCI/AGP |
| 19:48.39 | novato | Please Someone? |
| 19:49.15 | Eulex_ | gige2006, sorry, doesn't look like it's possible: http://lists.debian.org/debian-hppa/2002/12/msg00060.html |
| 19:49.22 | Eulex_ | !vfatrw |
| 19:49.22 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 19:49.29 | Eulex_ | adub, ^^ |
| 19:49.52 | Dabian | gige2006: Debian is known to run on the PPC. Check #Debian-PPC |
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| 19:50.01 | markybob | novato, ... the problem is what? select sis on xorg config. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 19:50.24 | adub | eulex_ i will edit my fstab but i dont undertand all this the way i had options set it worked perfectly fine before all of a sudde it wont let user write to drive i dont get it |
| 19:50.38 | novato | markybob: but I need the 3d support on xfree not xorg |
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| 19:50.49 | pack | join #x.org |
| 19:50.57 | gige2006 | Exactly, last week I installed Debian PPC over a RS/6000 (IBM machine POWERPC) successfully |
| 19:51.03 | Dabian | OH! Iforgot to mention! I have UDEV! |
| 19:51.21 | gige2006 | Eulex, thanks for your info. |
| 19:51.36 | gige2006 | Dabian, I'll try in #Debian-PPC, thanks |
| 19:51.42 | Eulex_ | adub, you will need the uid, gid and umask options setup correctly to make a user able to write to the vfat fs. |
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| 19:51.51 | markybob | novato, ok. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select sis. dont see what your problem is |
| 19:51.52 | Dabian | gige2006 I think thats the name of the channel. |
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| 19:52.17 | Dabian | markybob: THanks .. --reinstall of alsa-oss seems to have fixed it. :-) |
| 19:52.19 | apikoros | hello -- anyone know a shell util to strip id3 / id3v2 tags from many mp3 files? |
| 19:52.21 | elnovato | whats the name of the kernel modules package? |
| 19:52.21 | gige2006 | Ok, I'll look for it. |
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| 19:52.47 | novato | markybob: but I need run 3ddesktop and need 3d Hardware aceleration |
| 19:52.56 | Neikius | ./uplink: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:53.13 | brett | What do I do if my upgrade of xpdf-reader in dpkg is hanging? |
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| 19:53.19 | brett | in unstable |
| 19:53.21 | Neikius | nejc@pc5-nb:~/uplink$ ldd uplink |
| 19:53.24 | Neikius | /usr/bin/ldd: line 161: /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2: cannot execute binary file |
| 19:53.24 | Neikius | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.30 | Neikius | omg, sorry |
| 19:53.44 | Eulex_ | elnovato, most modules are included with the kernel. you want any module in particular? |
| 19:53.46 | markybob | novato, so put dri in your config file. |
| 19:53.55 | user__ | Neikius probably you have diferent version of this lib, you can try make a symbolic link |
| 19:54.00 | novato | markybob: where? |
| 19:54.01 | tavo | hello |
| 19:54.01 | Eulex_ | brett, you check the bts |
| 19:54.04 | Dabian | ok .. all works now .. apparently! |
| 19:54.10 | user__ | to whatever yoru version of libstdc++ is |
| 19:54.22 | markybob | novato, load "dri" in section "module" |
| 19:54.48 | markybob | novato, then section "dri" mode 0666 endsection at the bottom |
| 19:54.53 | tavo | someone talk spanish?? |
| 19:54.59 | markybob | tavo, #debian-es |
| 19:55.09 | novato | in XFree86congig-4 ? |
| 19:55.12 | adub | eulex_ how can i chmod so all the files are writeable |
| 19:55.13 | user__ | tavo no noone does, and you don't start to |
| 19:55.20 | Eulex_ | novato, then pray that it works. |
| 19:55.29 | Neikius | ./uplink: symbol lookup error: ./uplink: undefined symbol: __ti7istream |
| 19:55.36 | adub | eulex_ like the entire directory tree |
| 19:55.38 | user__ | Neikius then it won't work |
| 19:55.39 | Neikius | user__: and why do i get that ldd error? |
| 19:55.43 | markybob | novato, and if it doesnt, go to an x channel :) |
| 19:55.47 | Eulex_ | adub, you don't, because you can't, as vfat doesn't support permissions. you use gid, uid and umask to set the permissions. |
| 19:55.47 | user__ | Neikius i don't know |
| 19:55.53 | brett | Eulex_: there doesn't seem to be a bug... |
| 19:55.59 | user__ | adub chmod +w / |
| 19:56.04 | novato | markybob: where is that? |
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| 19:56.10 | user__ | adub chmod +w ? |
| 19:56.11 | user__ | :) |
| 19:56.27 | user__ | oh, vwt |
| 19:56.29 | pm_ | i've just installed webmin, and when i try to access it i get a Error - Access denied for, why? |
| 19:56.36 | user__ | it probably won't work on vfat |
| 19:56.37 | markybob | novato, #xorg or #xfree86 |
| 19:56.42 | pm_ | im inside the local network |
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| 19:56.48 | Eulex_ | usc18, no, it doesn't work with vfat |
| 19:56.50 | novato | markybob thanx |
| 19:56.52 | user__ | adub do you have rw option in fstab? |
| 19:57.12 | tavo | someone come from Spain??? |
| 19:57.20 | myren | how do i forcibly close a socket? |
| 19:57.21 | markybob | !es |
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| 19:57.27 | Neikius | anyone has working ati 3d driver with debian testing? |
| 19:57.33 | Neikius | *i mean etch |
| 19:57.49 | stew | Neikius: sure |
| 19:57.50 | Eulex_ | Neikius, ati open source or fglrx binary? |
| 19:58.04 | user__ | Neikius etch = testing |
| 19:58.39 | ivanfrey | adub: you indicate in fstab who the owner is and what the permissions are in a vfat partition. |
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| 19:58.46 | user__ | Neikius, and i had working 3d driver with nvidia card but since they upgraded xorgo to 6.9.0 it donst' work anymore |
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| 19:58.52 | myren | damn, my laptop is way way way pre-fglrx support |
| 19:59.01 | user__ | Neikius it happend few days ago |
| 19:59.22 | user__ | Neikius don't know if ati will work, but there is a chance it also dons't work |
| 19:59.25 | myren | yeah, xorg 6.9 broke my laptop, i went back to 6.8.2 |
| 19:59.54 | Eulex_ | Neikius, what card? |
| 20:00.01 | myren | Anyone know how to close a port? Netstat is reporting someone is using 5432 but its not reporting that there are any programs using it. I just want to close the damned thing. |
| 20:00.03 | Neikius | eulex_ fglrx |
| 20:00.08 | user__ | well i don't really care since i don't use 3d apps |
| 20:00.16 | Neikius | eulex_ is open source driver getting any good? |
| 20:00.19 | user__ | im happy with vesa driver, it works fine for me |
| 20:00.29 | stew | myren: running "netstat -plant | grep 5432" should tell you what program is using it |
| 20:00.31 | Eulex_ | Neikius, yes, most r300 cards are supported now. |
| 20:00.35 | Neikius | eulex_ 9600pro mobile |
| 20:00.38 | stew | myren: you have to run it as root though |
| 20:00.42 | fishdish | guys how did we again start xconfigure in the shell? |
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| 20:00.52 | myren | I am root |
| 20:00.54 | stew | Neikius: the open source driver doesn' thave 9600 support yet |
| 20:00.55 | Eulex_ | Neikius, it will most likely work. |
| 20:01.00 | fishdish | (too much redhat lately) |
| 20:01.01 | Neikius | user__ seems I will keep this driver too... |
| 20:01.05 | stew | !drxx fishdish |
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| 20:01.06 | dpkg | fishdish: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:01.10 | fishdish | thx |
| 20:01.11 | myren | stew: thats what I'm doing, here's the results |
| 20:01.12 | myren | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
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| 20:01.16 | Neikius | eulex_ ok, i keep for now :D |
| 20:01.25 | myren | notice that last column. it should be like 1301/named, but instead its just - |
| 20:01.25 | Neikius | i will try when i have like 2 days free time |
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| 20:01.35 | Neikius | i kinda remember how to configure it to work decently |
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| 20:01.48 | markybob | myren, i think that's postgresql |
| 20:02.01 | tavo | can I talk in spanish?? |
| 20:02.02 | stew | myren: and that's as root? odd, that would be normal as user but root shoudl know |
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| 20:02.03 | Eulex_ | stew, if you have xorg 6.9.0, libgl1-mesa-dri and a recent kernel, you'll get acceleration for r300 cards. |
| 20:02.07 | myren | its _supposed_ to be, but postmaster cant run cause something invisible unreproting is running on 5432 |
| 20:02.14 | myren | yeah its very fucking odd |
| 20:02.15 | Neikius | user__ about that uplink, couldn't i get some other version of libstdc++ and isntall separately? |
| 20:02.21 | pm_ | i've just installed webmin, and when i try to access it i get a Error - Access denied for, and it doen't asks for any passwd, what can cause this? |
| 20:02.28 | myren | whoami reports i'm running as root |
| 20:02.32 | Neikius | eulex_: with what driver ? the default one? |
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| 20:02.44 | myren | its frakking weird |
| 20:02.49 | Ronin | pm_: look on google, i suspect its your ip causing the problem |
| 20:03.00 | user__ | Neikius not sure |
| 20:03.09 | pm_ | Ronin where can i set options about this? |
| 20:03.11 | stew | Eulex_: didn't know that. i actually own one of those now, but only because it was the cheapest pcie card i could find and i needed just to get a head on a server to configure the raid, so it might be years before I actaully install x on it :) |
| 20:03.20 | markybob | pm_, you dont want webmin. /msg dpkg webmin |
| 20:03.22 | user__ | ti might work |
| 20:03.29 | Neikius | user__: well the thing is, I don't see what version this is... glibc 6.2? |
| 20:03.30 | elnovato | whats the name of the kernel modules package? |
| 20:03.30 | myren | fuck it, i'm rebooting. goodbye uptime. |
| 20:03.34 | Neikius | i don't get it |
| 20:03.46 | Ronin | pm_: i dimly recall having to edit a config file to allow more then 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:04.00 | user__ | Neikius maybe check out upliknk opensource clone :P |
| 20:04.03 | user__ | it might work |
| 20:04.03 | stew | elnovato: which kernel module? |
| 20:04.05 | user__ | :) |
| 20:04.17 | user__ | i don't remember the name |
| 20:04.18 | Eulex_ | Neikius, yes, the ati open source driver. 9600 is known to work well with it. |
| 20:04.34 | Neikius | eulex_: 2d only i suppose? |
| 20:04.34 | user__ | mylink or something |
| 20:04.41 | elnovato | stew the kernel modules necesary to compile the free ati drivers? |
| 20:04.42 | Eulex_ | Neikius, nope, 3d too. |
| 20:04.52 | tavo | are you stupid?? |
| 20:04.54 | Neikius | eulex_: O_o |
| 20:05.01 | Neikius | gonna check :D |
| 20:05.08 | Eulex_ | stew, well, support for pci-e is very experimental right now :) trying to get it to work on a laptop with an x300 |
| 20:05.14 | Neikius | user__: eh a game aint worth all that trouble... |
| 20:05.17 | Ronin | pardon tavo? |
| 20:05.20 | stew | elnovato: you don't have to compile them they are part of the debian kenrel image pacakges, or any kenrel source tree |
| 20:05.26 | Neikius | well thanks both, eulex_, user__ I am away |
| 20:05.30 | Neikius | bb |
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| 20:05.37 | tavo | what? |
| 20:05.43 | pm_ | markybob do you know another tool? |
| 20:05.47 | elnovato | stew ok, soo i just do a apt-get install fglxr-drivers ? |
| 20:05.59 | stew | elnovato: no, fglrx is non-free |
| 20:06.12 | elnovato | stew: what is the name for the free ones? |
| 20:06.15 | stew | elnovato: which ati chipset do you have? |
| 20:06.19 | stew | elnovato: radeon |
| 20:06.24 | elnovato | stew ati radeon 9200 |
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| 20:06.41 | stew | elnovato: then just "modprobe radeon" and add radeon to /etc/modules |
| 20:06.49 | stew | elnovato: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:07.01 | tavo | elnovato is spanish?? |
| 20:07.07 | elnovato | 2.6.15 |
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| 20:07.29 | elnovato | stew: 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 20:07.34 | fishdish | now to find out if a driver exists for an ATI chipset.. |
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| 20:07.52 | _unstable | With apt-listbugs...is there a way I can weed out the bugs that are just completely false? like if someone submits a bug and they don't know what they're doing. Is there a rating system with the bts from it's users...like people who time and time again submit reliable bug reports can have a higher rating, ergo be more trusted by apt-listbugs?(like ebay) |
| 20:08.00 | stew | elnovato: yeah, then just what I said above, and if you haven't already, reconfigure x and tell it to use the ati driver |
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| 20:08.17 | Eulex_ | fishdish, what card? and do you need 3d acceleration? |
| 20:08.20 | destr0__ | there's a package that I want to install, but it has debian-installer listed next to it, is there a way to still get it onto the system, or are you not supposed to have it on. |
| 20:08.20 | fishdish | is there support for ATI radeon X1900 in Linux? |
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| 20:08.27 | stew | _unstable: no |
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| 20:08.49 | fishdish | or Radeon X in general |
| 20:09.02 | stew | fishdish: there is support for the x300 |
| 20:09.11 | fishdish | ok, i'll try that driver |
| 20:09.20 | elnovato | stew: there is no such directory /etc/modules |
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| 20:09.30 | stew | fishdish: there might be non-free support for x1900, i don't know, consult ati on that |
| 20:09.31 | fishdish | i have an integrated Radeon X something on a small ASUD mini pc |
| 20:09.35 | fishdish | ASUS |
| 20:09.40 | stew | elnovato: are you running debian? |
| 20:09.50 | Eulex_ | fishdish, for x1900, I wouldn't count on the ati open source driver working even for 2d. if it doesn't work, try fglrx. |
| 20:10.48 | elnovato | stew: debian etch |
| 20:10.49 | Eulex_ | elnovato, /etc/modules is a file, not a directory |
| 20:10.49 | fishdish | non-free Linux drivers? lol never knew that happening outside the server world =) |
| 20:10.49 | tavo | I'm spanish |
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| 20:10.53 | fishdish | i'm looking for a binary anyway |
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| 20:11.07 | elnovato | stew: ok added "radeon" to /etc/modules , rebooting, brb |
| 20:11.10 | tavo | sois todos unos mataos |
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| 20:11.16 | Eulex_ | !es |
| 20:11.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:11.23 | Eulex_ | tavo, english please |
| 20:11.25 | user__ | nvidia drivers also are "non-free" |
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| 20:11.31 | fishdish | mataos? ke ta un matao tavo? |
| 20:11.31 | tavo | no me da la gana |
| 20:11.32 | elnovato | tavo: no insults, be civilizated |
| 20:11.50 | tavo | sabes español?? |
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| 20:12.00 | adub | eulex_ wont work how do i format this stupid thing with fat or fat32 |
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| 20:12.09 | Eulex_ | !doesn't work |
| 20:12.09 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 20:12.14 | tavo | dilo |
| 20:12.22 | Eulex_ | tavo & fishdish, please |
| 20:12.22 | user__ | call me rasist if you want but they should ban spanish people from using irc, chats etc. evertime i see spanish folk on irc he's trolling |
| 20:12.25 | fishdish | realmente, como un huevon sudaca no se castellano? :-) |
| 20:12.42 | SerajewelKS | adub: mkfs.vfat |
| 20:12.50 | fishdish | ok, i'll tell him to go to #debian-mexico |
| 20:12.52 | dondelelcaro | user__: that's totally OT for #debian anyway. |
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| 20:13.02 | elnovato | user__: i agree |
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| 20:13.12 | dondelelcaro | fishdish, realmente: use #debian-es please. |
| 20:13.21 | dondelelcaro | (or some other channel if you think it would be better) |
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| 20:13.51 | fishdish | yah, english is the @common tongue@ of the virtual middle Earth, at least in the irc doamin |
| 20:13.54 | user__ | dondelelcaro, it isn't cause its a comment to what is happening right now on #debian ;) |
| 20:13.59 | fishdish | s/ domain |
| 20:14.25 | novato | markybob: the #xfree is empti, is free |
| 20:14.29 | dondelelcaro | fishdish: whether it is or not doesn't matter; it's just the language used in this channel. |
| 20:14.38 | adub | serajewelks ok im doing this for a device /dev/sda1 so the command would be mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 <-- and that would format it? do i have to have it mounted to format?? |
| 20:14.49 | fishdish | on some otehr networks there are a lot of German trolls.. they are bad... baaad |
| 20:15.00 | user__ | :D |
| 20:15.20 | markybob | novato, that's because i said #xfree86 |
| 20:15.20 | user__ | i haven't met any german troll myself yet ;) |
| 20:15.28 | stew | user__: please keep it on topic |
| 20:15.35 | Eulex_ | adub, reformatting the drive won't fix your problems mounting it. |
| 20:15.50 | novato | markybob: sorry #xfree86 is empti |
| 20:15.55 | akira_ | i'm trying to build modules against the default debian stable 2.4 kernel, but there is no /lib/modules/2.4.27/build, do i need compile the kernel to get that? |
| 20:16.16 | dondelelcaro | akira_: no; you may need to install the kernel-source package though. |
| 20:16.21 | iostream | Hi.. How can I back-up my bootloader? |
| 20:16.39 | dondelelcaro | akira_: however, addon modules should build against the kernel-headers package alone. |
| 20:16.54 | novato | I need install sis760 drivers for 3d hardware support, Someone? |
| 20:16.56 | dondelelcaro | iostream: depends on where you've stuck it; there's generally little point in doing that though. |
| 20:17.03 | user__ | akira_ use module-assistant |
| 20:17.05 | stew | akira_: you should only need a kenrel-headers pacakge, but it should be looking for something like /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-386/build |
| 20:17.17 | iostream | dondelelcaro: In the MBA.. Little point in doing it.. because? |
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| 20:17.37 | dondelelcaro | iostream: because you can always recreate it using either lilo or grub. |
| 20:17.45 | _unstable | stew: You think that would be a good idea? |
| 20:17.51 | dondelelcaro | iostream: if you mean the original bootloader, lilo stores a backup of it; grub may as well. |
| 20:18.01 | _unstable | dondelelcaro: that would be a good idea right? |
| 20:18.18 | dondelelcaro | _unstable: a good idea to what? |
| 20:18.26 | adub | eulex_ it is worth a try i mean im serious this drive use to work before i have not done anything to it my fstab was right |
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| 20:18.33 | _unstable | dondelelcaro: /lastlog _unstable |
| 20:19.00 | dondelelcaro | _unstable: no, there's no way to deal with bugs that are completely false automatically. |
| 20:19.01 | stew | _unstable: no, if someone is causing problems by abusing the bug system i think they should be banned from using it, but i don't think anything as complex as what you are suggesting would be beneficial |
| 20:19.31 | adub | all of a sudden it will just let me read from it |
| 20:19.31 | dondelelcaro | _unstable: if the bug is marked as false, the bugs are just closed. If someone is consistently abusing it, then there are ways that abusers can be dealt with. |
| 20:19.36 | destr0__ | is there a way to install the ppp-modules package from the debian installer onto my system after I've already set the stystem up? |
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| 20:19.54 | Eulex_ | adub, you have been able to mount it correctly, right? just not write to the drive as user? |
| 20:20.14 | _unstable | dondelelcaro: I know, but maybe if there was a rating system, I could specify only to look at bugs that are confirmed, or submitted by something with a certain level rating. |
| 20:20.24 | adub | just write to the drive as user it mounts |
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| 20:20.31 | erni | hi all |
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| 20:20.48 | adub | eulex_ see it worked before when i would mount it with my current fstab i have not done anything to the fstab |
| 20:20.52 | _unstable | s/something/someone |
| 20:20.56 | stew | _unstable: would you really not what to know about a severity critical bug report becuase it hadn't been confirmed yet? |
| 20:21.02 | erni | where can i download the source code of sort command? |
| 20:21.02 | adub | eulex_ i am going to format i bet this will fix it |
| 20:21.03 | stew | ^what^want |
| 20:21.13 | _unstable | stew: right, if the person didn't have a high enough rating. |
| 20:21.29 | stew | _unstable: that sounds nuts to me |
| 20:21.31 | hans0lo | IS anyone using the mail-notification package? When I setup my email account, the SSL/TLS options are greyed out. Is there another package I need to install? |
| 20:21.46 | _unstable | stew: I'm not saying people maliciously submit false bug reports...but some people don't know how to submit bug reports..or even what they are doing. Their intentions are good, but their reports aren't always. |
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| 20:21.50 | erni | where can i download the source code of sort command? |
| 20:21.55 | stew | erni: apt-get source coreutils |
| 20:22.03 | dondelelcaro | _unstable: right, so they get closed rather rapidly... |
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| 20:22.08 | erni | thnx stew |
| 20:22.14 | Thanatermesis | any person has a good conf of logrotate for the stats on webalizer for use to example ? |
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| 20:22.18 | Eulex_ | adub, I don't know what has changed, but you still need to supply uid, gid and umask options when mounting a vfat drive, to be able to write to it as user. this has nothing to do with the file system itself, because vfat doesn't store permissions. |
| 20:22.23 | pem3v78 | I need to program scsi streamer autoloader. Can you point to some docs how to start ? |
| 20:22.33 | HazyNRG | what's the default X server for testing? |
| 20:22.35 | dako_oten | Hello, I'm having trouble accessing the unstable packages at ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat. This is the entry in my sources.list: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/debian unstable main. The error is: 'W: Couldn't stat source package list .. etc, etc'. Thanks |
| 20:22.37 | dondelelcaro | HazyNRG: xorg |
| 20:22.41 | Eulex_ | HazyNRG, xorg 6.9.0 |
| 20:22.45 | stew | Thanatermesis: does webalizer not come with one? |
| 20:22.47 | dondelelcaro | (indeed, xorg is the only X server in testing) |
| 20:22.49 | Thanatermesis | i want to my logs of apache not are deleted for look on webalizer.. what i need to change on logrotate ? |
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| 20:22.51 | HazyNRG | ok, thanks :) |
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| 20:23.06 | adub | eulex_ worked no i can copy you my fstab something is screwy like none other somewhere but formattign worked |
| 20:23.28 | loggygreg | dako_oten: try to replace unstable by sid |
| 20:23.30 | Thanatermesis | stew i don't know, but logrotate looks to delete my logs, and dont show old parts of webalizer |
| 20:23.35 | Andy5201987 | Hi. Does anybody know where I can get kopete v.0.10.9 for Debian Stable/Testing... (as a deb package) |
| 20:24.00 | dako_oten | loggygreg> I'll try, thanks |
| 20:24.05 | Eulex_ | adub, paste the line for the vfat drive. |
| 20:24.05 | stew | Thanatermesis: i'm having trouble understanding you. logrotate is deleting files you don't want it to? |
| 20:24.16 | adub | eulex_ sure |
| 20:24.19 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: set a large maxage, or have it copy them instead of deleting them. |
| 20:24.24 | Thanatermesis | stew i don't know, this is my question :) i don't want it |
| 20:24.32 | adub | but after the formattign user can write to drive again read and write |
| 20:24.50 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: webalizer should be intelligent enough to deal with logfiles that are deleted though; last time I checked it only looked at the last few log entries and updated its tables. |
| 20:24.50 | Eulex_ | adub, hmm, that's strange |
| 20:24.59 | bkhl | Can aptitude step through all my leaf packages and ask me if I want them, like debfoster does, and how would I do that? |
| 20:25.01 | Eulex_ | adub, may be a bug somewhere |
| 20:25.34 | dondelelcaro | bkhl: you can just go through all packages which are currently marked as + and you can mark them as A instead. |
| 20:25.40 | Thanatermesis | :/ |
| 20:25.44 | bkhl | OK. |
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| 20:26.05 | dondelelcaro | bkhl: alternatively, you can just go through and say that all library and development packages are automatically installed, then go through and check the lists of packages that are going to be removed, and mark any that you actually want as being manually installed. |
| 20:26.18 | adub | eulex_ i agree i think so ........it could be my friend uses ntfs and copies stuff to my flash drive which is when it stopped working right |
| 20:26.20 | dondelelcaro | bkhl: this can be done trivially by hitting 'M' on the library tab. |
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| 20:26.44 | iostream | dondelelcaro: Oh, grub stores a backup.. Where? and how to restore it? |
| 20:27.03 | Eulex_ | adub, that shouldn't affect it, but you never know with bugs... |
| 20:27.07 | adub | eulex_ im not going to worry too much on this though heh it only takes like 5 seconds to backup the drive if it happens again |
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| 20:27.18 | adub | eulex_ right |
| 20:27.31 | Thanatermesis | dondelelcaro for example for one year of logs... is good to put just "maxage 365" on logrotate ? /var/log/apache2 { maxage 365 } |
| 20:27.36 | djp | why can i not cancel, pause (do anything) with the small printer icon that appears in the gnome panel when printing? i am using debian 3.1r1 sarge stable. |
| 20:27.38 | dondelelcaro | iostream: I don't know if grub stores a backup. If you want to restore the default mbr, you can just use the fixmbr package. |
| 20:27.46 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: if that's what you wanted, yes. |
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| 20:27.54 | iostream | dondelelcaro: I want to backup my grub, incase i fuck up |
| 20:28.11 | Andy5201987 | Hi. Does anybody know where I can get kopete v.0.10.9 for Debian Stable/Testing... (as a deb package) |
| 20:28.15 | djp | if i try to cancel, pause a print job, the print manager freezes |
| 20:28.18 | adub | eulex_ i appreciate your time |
| 20:28.21 | dondelelcaro | iostream: just keep a bootdisk, and store a copy of your menu.lst somewhere. You don't need anything else. |
| 20:28.27 | Thanatermesis | thanks dondelelcaro, yes.. one year of logs sounds good :) |
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| 20:28.42 | dondelelcaro | iostream: you'll need the bootdisk to boot, then you can just use grub itself to reinstall its bootsector. |
| 20:28.42 | iostream | dondelelcaro: okay, I have my menu.lst savely back-ed up |
| 20:28.45 | dako_oten | loggygreg > I got it. thanks again :/ |
| 20:28.54 | iostream | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 20:28.59 | Eulex_ | adub, yw :) |
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| 20:29.14 | adub | eulex_ have you ever used crossover office im trying to get this one windows application to work in it so i can be 100% windows free.......only thing is this application uses serial ports and my usb to serial port driver works fine but the application still isnt working |
| 20:29.48 | Eulex_ | adub, sorry, no. I use openoffice.org, it has enough msoffice compatibility for me. |
| 20:30.05 | akira_ | i installed the default 2.4 kernel with debians net install, no i'm trying to install 2.6, is there anything i need to install besides the source? |
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| 20:30.25 | akira_ | i built the kernel, it boot, but hung once the kernel handed over control to the init scripts |
| 20:30.40 | _unstable | akira_: no more gentoo? |
| 20:30.45 | akira_ | nope |
| 20:31.03 | akira_ | slots broke my system, and i didn't feel like waiting 4 days for a my desktop to compile |
| 20:31.06 | Eulex_ | akira_, why built it from source when you can get an image? |
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| 20:31.26 | Eulex_ | *build |
| 20:31.31 | _unstable | akira_: still using fluxbox I hope? |
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| 20:31.42 | Andy5201987 | Hi. Does anybody know where I can get kopete v.0.10.9 for Debian Stable/Testing... (as a deb package) |
| 20:31.59 | akira_ | i don't mind compiling, and compiling isn't the issue. it's all the extra crap that comes with the kernel upgrade. |
| 20:32.19 | akira_ | i actually use debian on all my servers at work, just don't do anything out of the ordinary. |
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| 20:32.49 | akira_ | _unstable, do i know you from #gentoo? |
| 20:32.49 | Fox_1_ | i have installed apache2 from source code. now i want to install libapache2-mod-php4, but apt wants to install apache2 again. how to install libapache2-mod-php4??? |
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| 20:33.32 | Eulex_ | akira_, are you using an initrd? |
| 20:33.35 | kspath | akira_ when you are ready for an upgrade from flux there is openbox or ion3 |
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| 20:33.44 | Eulex_ | Fox_1_, equivs |
| 20:33.50 | hans0lo | Does anyone know how to re-start a transcode on DVD::Rip? The *.vob files are already in a folder |
| 20:33.55 | _unstable | akira_: nah, I'm just a long time fluxbox user, and I always wondered why all the fluxbox devs used gentoo. akira_ I've also been stealing your ~/.fluxbox files you host on that website for many years.(so I don't have to make my own) |
| 20:33.56 | Fox_1_ | Eulex_: ? |
| 20:34.09 | Eulex_ | !equivs |
| 20:34.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 20:34.23 | djp | can anyone help me regards problems with print management under gnome? |
| 20:34.26 | akira_ | _unstable, you probably have me confused for another akira. |
| 20:34.38 | akira_ | what are the chanced two akira's use/used gentoo? huh. |
| 20:34.56 | _unstable | akira_: Are you ak|ra? |
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| 20:35.00 | akira_ | naw |
| 20:35.09 | Fox_1_ | Eulex_: and how to use it? |
| 20:35.13 | elnovato | stew: client glx vendor string: ATI , its working with free drivers, now how to use hardware 3d acelleration, the fps still low: 732 frames in 5.0 seconds = 146.256 FPS, and Tuxracer very very slow |
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| 20:35.37 | Eulex_ | Fox_1_, rtfm :) |
| 20:35.41 | Andy5201987 | Hi. Does anybody know where I can get kopete v.0.10.9 for Debian Stable/Testing... (as a deb package) |
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| 20:36.00 | Fox_1_ | Eulex_: please open it(rtfm) :) |
| 20:36.00 | akira_ | i'm tired of gentoo. i upgraded to mysql 5, then realized it wasn't compatiable with mythtv 18.1, so i rolled back, but then the slots broke everything. neither of my mysql versions worked. |
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| 20:36.14 | akira_ | stupid 'repeat' sql keyword! |
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| 20:38.18 | adub | eulex_ my next problem is getting patch drivers for orinoco classic gold to compile correctly |
| 20:38.36 | Eulex_ | adub, can't really help there either |
| 20:38.59 | adub | eulex_ its ok |
| 20:39.03 | adub | thanks anyway |
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| 20:40.46 | Mike334 | abrotman, u there |
| 20:40.50 | SerajewelKS | !u |
| 20:40.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:41.08 | SunDeity | Looks like I just got some new x libs in testing... and now Xorg is broken. |
| 20:41.26 | Mike334 | SerajewelKS, no soup for you |
| 20:41.32 | SunDeity | Even Xorg -configure appears to be bailing out. Anybody good at troubleshooting it? |
| 20:41.46 | SerajewelKS | SunDeity: you sure xorg itself didn't get upgraded? |
| 20:41.55 | Mike334 | SerajewelKS, just joking sorry i forgot about the you thing |
| 20:41.58 | Andy5201987 | Hi. Does anybody know where I can get kopete v.0.10.9 for Debian Stable/Testing... (as a deb package) |
| 20:42.04 | SunDeity | SerajewelKS, yeah, might have. |
| 20:42.09 | SerajewelKS | Mike334: s'ok if you joke, we joke here |
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| 20:42.34 | abrotman | Mike334: kind of |
| 20:42.42 | SerajewelKS | Mike334: when you say 'bailing' do you mean 'segfaulting'? |
| 20:42.48 | SerajewelKS | s/Mike334/SunDeity/ |
| 20:42.57 | SunDeity | SerajewelKS: yep, xserver-xorg 6.9.0 is in /var/log/dpgk.log now |
| 20:43.09 | SunDeity | SerajewelKS: looks like it... let me find the log... |
| 20:43.17 | SerajewelKS | SunDeity: hrm, 6.9 works for me =/ |
| 20:43.29 | mansu | hi all |
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| 20:43.34 | Eulex_ | 6.9.0 works very well here too |
| 20:43.40 | Rampage | How i can install Debian on machine who has no CD rom - only flopy,Brand new unpartitioned hard disk and fery fast lan based internet ? |
| 20:43.54 | mansu | what are the directories of /var on unstable that i need to backup? |
| 20:44.00 | SerajewelKS | Rampage: put a CD drive in it |
| 20:44.17 | deadcat | Rampage: debian.org has few floppy boot disk |
| 20:44.28 | SerajewelKS | Rampage: you can buy a good drive for under 20 bucks |
| 20:44.36 | ggg222 | hello |
| 20:45.05 | Mike334 | abrotman,I was looking at the source code for kernel 2.6.8 and comparing it to 2.6.9...2.6.8 did not have a megaraid folder in the /drivers/scsi/ folder |
| 20:45.13 | SunDeity | *** If unresolved symbols were reported above, they might not |
| 20:45.16 | _unstable | deadcat: You have slim/.deb link? |
| 20:45.24 | SunDeity | *** be the reason for the server aborting. |
| 20:45.32 | SunDeity | That's the first real error message in the log. |
| 20:45.34 | Rampage | serajewelks:today i need to install w/o CD. |
| 20:45.35 | SerajewelKS | SunDeity: does it mention 'signal 11'? |
| 20:45.41 | deadcat | _unstable: did you use SimonRaven's deb source? he only has ppc binary |
| 20:45.52 | abrotman | Mike334: but .. hrm .. let me look at somehting |
| 20:45.58 | SunDeity | SerajewelKS: yes, after the backtrace. |
| 20:46.05 | deadcat | Rampage: check debian.org for the floppy bootdisks |
| 20:46.09 | Mike334 | SerajewelKS, I dont remebmer saying bailing...and what is SunDeity??? |
| 20:46.19 | SerajewelKS | SunDeity: must be crashing then... file a bug report i guess |
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| 20:46.24 | SunDeity | mike334, SerajewelKS was talking to me, sorry. |
| 20:46.32 | SerajewelKS | Mike334: i misdirected my question |
| 20:46.32 | markybob | Rampage, http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 20:46.41 | deadcat | _unstable: i also know i built a .deb x86. but let me see if i can find it. |
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| 20:46.51 | SunDeity | SerajewelKS, thanks, I may do that... in the meantime, how do I go about DOWNgrading that to the previous version? |
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| 20:46.58 | mansu | what are the directories of /var (on unstable) that i need to backup? |
| 20:47.04 | abrotman | Mike334: let me get the source package |
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| 20:47.06 | SerajewelKS | SunDeity: pull 6.8 from the package pool and use dpkg -i |
| 20:47.18 | Mike334 | SerajewelKS, SunDeity oh ok, i thought I was possibly the strange pizza I had for lunch |
| 20:47.18 | SerajewelKS | SunDeity: that's how i do it anyway.. it might still be in your apt cache |
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| 20:47.39 | SerajewelKS | Mike334: yeah, strange pizza can do weird shit to your brain |
| 20:47.59 | Mike334 | abrotman, how can I get the source package again? |
| 20:47.59 | tziku | hello, i installed php4-mysql php4 ....mysq-common apache2 libapache2-mod-php4 etc. and when i'm trying to open a .php is giving me something to download . |
| 20:48.09 | tziku | can somebody help me ? |
| 20:50.02 | SerajewelKS | tziku: have you restarted apache since installing php? |
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| 20:50.12 | SerajewelKS | tziku: is php in the mods-enabled directory? |
| 20:50.15 | tziku | yes SerajewelKS . |
| 20:50.20 | abrotman | Mike334: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
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| 20:50.32 | tziku | how i do that SerajewelKS ? |
| 20:51.13 | SerajewelKS | tziku: what is the goal you're trying to accomplish? are you setting up a production server, or just playing with stuff? |
| 20:51.26 | NGo | SerajewelKS I'm gonna buy a nvidia geforce 128.. |
| 20:51.29 | ggg222 | Has anyone here experienced trouble with configuring a locale on KDE (testing build)? |
| 20:51.33 | tziku | a little database . |
| 20:51.45 | SerajewelKS | tziku: for personal use? |
| 20:51.51 | Mike334 | abrotman, i get an error when I do that saying its not available but refered to by another package. This may mean the package is missing....etc.. |
| 20:51.52 | NGo | and I have to make sure that video card will work on debian |
| 20:52.02 | SerajewelKS | NGo: any modern geforce will work |
| 20:52.24 | tziku | SerajewelKS yes. |
| 20:52.27 | NGo | ok, thanks |
| 20:53.09 | streuner_ | @mhallsmite SerajewelKS |
| 20:53.25 | abrotman | Mike334: apt-cache search kernel-source |
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| 20:53.58 | Mike334 | abrotman, all i get is 2.4 packages, nothing with 2.6 |
| 20:54.08 | abrotman | Mike334: paste your sources somewhere |
| 20:54.10 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:54.10 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 20:54.11 | TurboBee | whats a good gui cdburning application that i can apt-get? |
| 20:54.18 | SerajewelKS | streuner_: ? |
| 20:54.33 | SerajewelKS | tziku: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 20:54.41 | abrotman | TurboBee: for gnome or kde ? |
| 20:54.43 | tziku | i do...bot no result. |
| 20:54.46 | tziku | but* |
| 20:54.47 | markybob | TurboBee, gnomebaker. k3b. |
| 20:54.48 | Mike334 | abrotman, ok check flood |
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| 20:54.58 | abrotman | Mike334: #flood .. i'm already there |
| 20:55.01 | SerajewelKS | tziku: check the apache configuration's mods-enabled directory, make sure php is in there |
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| 20:55.31 | tziku | SerajewelKS how can i do that ? (i am a begginer). |
| 20:55.44 | SerajewelKS | tziku: /etc/apache2 |
| 20:55.52 | SerajewelKS | tziku: look around in there |
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| 20:56.36 | ggg222 | I have problems configuring a fresh Debian system to display Hebrew in X11 (KDE/Gnome/whatever) |
| 20:56.44 | ggg222 | any ideas, anyone? |
| 20:56.50 | SerajewelKS | tziku: perhaps you should learn more about debian in general before trying this |
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| 20:56.58 | tziku | SerajewelKS in mods-enabled is only: cgi.load |
| 20:57.23 | SerajewelKS | tziku: do you see php.load in mods-available? |
| 20:57.34 | tziku | no. |
| 20:57.54 | TurboBee | gnome |
| 20:57.58 | TurboBee | thanks |
| 20:58.02 | tziku | oh..in mods-available is . |
| 20:58.05 | tziku | sorry my fault. |
| 20:58.40 | abrotman | TurboBee: gnomebaker |
| 20:58.41 | SerajewelKS | tziku: as root: a2enmod |
| 20:58.45 | SerajewelKS | tziku: and enter 'php' |
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| 20:58.50 | SerajewelKS | tziku: and restart apache |
| 20:59.13 | tziku | Module name? php |
| 20:59.13 | tziku | This module does not exist! |
| 20:59.17 | tziku | Module name? 'php' |
| 20:59.18 | tziku | This module does not exist! |
| 20:59.37 | tziku | but is php4: Module php4 installed; run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload to enable. |
| 20:59.50 | zinx | you need libapache2-mod-php or such |
| 21:00.06 | zinx | there's a 4 and a 5 flavor |
| 21:00.18 | tziku | heh is working :) thx SerajewelKS :) }{ |
| 21:00.21 | bkhl | Can I get the aptitude TUI to purge rather than remove packages by default? |
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| 21:01.12 | bcc | hi guys, is there some doc on how to fix "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F" for apt? |
| 21:01.14 | zinx | bkhl: use the purge key instead of the remove key. |
| 21:01.22 | Eulex_ | !apt-secure |
| 21:01.22 | dpkg | [apt secure] in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D>, or ask me about <2006 key> |
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| 21:01.36 | bkhl | zinx: but when the removal is done as part of the automatic weeding? |
| 21:01.38 | zinx | bkhl: but for automatic removals due to dependencies... not sure, perhaps not. |
| 21:01.41 | bkhl | OK. |
| 21:01.42 | bcc | thanks |
| 21:02.04 | bkhl | Is there at least a way to get a view of all un-purged removed packages? |
| 21:02.20 | _unstable | bkhl: dpkg -al|grep rr |
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| 21:02.44 | zinx | bkhl: yeah |
| 21:02.47 | _unstable | bkhl: dpkg -al|grep "rr " |
| 21:02.48 | bkhl | _unstable: I mean in the aptitude TUI, so I can purge them from there |
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| 21:03.15 | zinx | bkhl: using the matching stuff |
| 21:03.17 | bkhl | Also you probably mean "grep '^rc\>'" |
| 21:03.56 | zinx | bkhl: file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/index.html |
| 21:04.09 | zinx | bkhl: 'Search Patterns' |
| 21:04.14 | djp | why can i not cancel, pause (do anything) with the small printer icon that appears in the gnome panel when printing? if i try to cancel, pause a print job, the print manager freezes. |
| 21:04.23 | zinx | bkhl: so file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html i guess |
| 21:04.32 | bkhl | zinx: thanks. |
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| 21:05.01 | zinx | bkhl: looks like it's a really simple pattern, but i won't spoil the surprise :D |
| 21:05.17 | bkhl | OK. ;-) |
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| 21:06.33 | ke6isf | dpkg (the bot) tells me how to set the hold bit on a package; how do I unset this? |
| 21:06.50 | SerajewelKS | tziku: np |
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| 21:07.58 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: echo packagename install | dpkg --set-selections |
| 21:08.21 | ke6isf | serajewelks: that's what I thought, but this doesn't seem to be having the desired effect. |
| 21:08.25 | Silent_al | hello , whats Sarge's latest kernel? 2.6.12? |
| 21:08.44 | Silent_al | or is it stuck on 2.6.8? |
| 21:08.45 | ke6isf | serajewelks: in particular, libquicktime0 is not upgrading. |
| 21:08.53 | ke6isf | silent_al: Yes, 2.6.8 is the latest kernel in sarge. |
| 21:08.59 | Silent_al | thanx |
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| 21:09.06 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: dpkg -l libquicktime0 |
| 21:09.07 | ke6isf | silent_al: It's not stuck, as such, it's frozen. It's why it's stable. |
| 21:09.10 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: is it 'hi'? |
| 21:09.18 | SunDeity | SerajewelKS (or anybody): any idea what package I might have missed downgrading when Xorg -configure says "Missing output drivers. Configuration failed."? |
| 21:09.22 | ke6isf | serajewelks: Nope, it's ii. |
| 21:09.33 | ke6isf | sera: Lemme look at policy, hang on. |
| 21:09.47 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: then it's not held |
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| 21:10.05 | ke6isf | sera: Yeah, I know. Wonder why it's not coming down from Marillat though. |
| 21:10.09 | SerajewelKS | SunDeity: maybe x-common... i don't know exactly |
| 21:10.19 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: explicitly ask for it: apt-get install libquicktime0 |
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| 21:10.39 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: sometimes apt holds packages back for other reasons... if you ask for an explicit update it will disregard those reasons |
| 21:10.50 | loggygreg | SunDeity: xserver-xorg |
| 21:11.10 | ke6isf | sera: Not only is it now installing, it's pulling in the deps. Thanks for the help. |
| 21:11.21 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: np. is it removing any packages? |
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| 21:11.35 | ke6isf | sera: Nope. It works. Thanks a billion. |
| 21:11.54 | ggg222 | Hebrew+Debian, anyone? non-english locales? would really appreciate some help... |
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| 21:14.07 | NGo | SerajewelKS and will opengl work fine with nvidia geforce? |
| 21:14.41 | abrotman | ggg222: that's kind of vague |
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| 21:15.54 | illsci | hey which linux kernel module allows usb 2.0 support? |
| 21:16.12 | ggg222 | abrotman: true, but I'm desperate. I tried apt-getting anything that looks like hebrew fonts for X11 or anything, and still, any non-english character is displayed as symbols |
| 21:16.15 | loggygreg | NGo: yes |
| 21:16.20 | illsci | is it uhci or ehci ? |
| 21:16.27 | abrotman | ggg222: did you try UTF? |
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| 21:17.21 | steen | Hey there. I need help connecting my stationary to my laptop via ieee1394. I got the eth1394 up and running and I can ping with answer. Now what? |
| 21:17.28 | ggg222 | well, although I made an dpkg-reconfigure locales and added he-UTF8, the LANG variable is still en-utf8 |
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| 21:18.24 | ggg222 | steen: what do you expect to accomplish? |
| 21:18.35 | Fox_1_ | dir |
| 21:18.38 | Fox_1_ | sorry:)_ |
| 21:19.15 | steen | ggg222> I need to move some files from my laptop. But I'm pretty new with networking... |
| 21:19.31 | ggg222 | what is your stationary running? |
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| 21:19.48 | steen | ggg222: Mepis |
| 21:19.58 | ggg222 | steen: ? |
| 21:20.06 | ggg222 | steen: what's that? |
| 21:20.13 | Fox_1_ | so, i have installed libapache2-mod-php4, but my apache write that libphp4.so isn't apache DSO module. whats that mean?? |
| 21:20.47 | SunDeity | At least xorgcfg no longer hangs my monitor and keyboard, and can be killed from an SSH session now. :( |
| 21:21.03 | SunDeity | I guess the rest is just continuing downgrades until it quits freezing. |
| 21:21.30 | steen | ggg222: SimplyMepis 3.4 I'm not sure if it's sarge or what... Newbies you know... |
| 21:22.04 | ggg222 | Is it a deb? |
| 21:22.12 | steen | ggg222: It's a deb |
| 21:22.17 | ggg222 | steen: a linux system? |
| 21:22.22 | Estes3 | Hi everyone :) there is a process (a simple cat) i can't get to kill (it cats a file from an NFS ressource) any idea how to kill it ? i tried already -9 -HUP and -s KILL. Infact, i oftenly get NFS that starts hanging.... I'm so upset with it (especialy this runs on a cluster, resulting on cluster hang, unavailabilty) that i'm unfortunatly starting to think using smbfs...., at least my high availability won't hang cause of nfs . |
| 21:22.22 | Estes3 | .... maybe it's my nfs configuration or so.. :( |
| 21:22.23 | jjazz | steen: What's the laptop running? |
| 21:22.33 | Estes3 | damn |
| 21:22.37 | steen | jjazz: Ununtu live |
| 21:22.48 | Fox_1_ | ?? |
| 21:22.51 | steen | jjazz: Ubuntu live sorry |
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| 21:23.41 | pipeline | steen: We only do debian here, I'm afraid. |
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| 21:23.44 | jjazz | steen: You're in the wrong channel. You should ask your question in #ubuntu. Without knowing more, though, I'd say you should read up on rsync, ('man rsync'), as it is the typical way people move files around between two networked boxes. |
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| 21:23.47 | pipeline | steen: Have you tried #ubuntu ? |
| 21:24.54 | Fox_1_ | i have installed libapache2-mod-php4, but my apache write that libphp4.so isn't apache DSO module. whats that mean?? |
| 21:24.59 | steen | I went here because both ubuntu and Mepis are deriviates from debian, but well I'll try the other channels thanx |
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| 21:29.33 | abrotman | !moo |
| 21:29.33 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 21:29.36 | voxvirus | hello all |
| 21:29.53 | adub | http://pastebin.com/558403 <--------- im getting a make error trying to compile orinoco patch drivers |
| 21:30.27 | Coweater | #ubuntu |
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| 21:32.40 | voxvirus | does anyone know if/when will gpe-mini-browser be in the repos? |
| 21:32.46 | Andy5201987 | hi |
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| 21:33.08 | Andy5201987 | I'd like to know if there is a debian repository for setting up kde 3.4.3 for debian sarge |
| 21:33.22 | Andy5201987 | (deb http://example kind of format) |
| 21:33.37 | stew | Andy5201987: ask #debian-kde |
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| 21:33.44 | Andy5201987 | I am there right now |
| 21:33.52 | adub | anyone help me get the orinoco patch drivers to correctly compile???? |
| 21:33.52 | Andy5201987 | but I'm not getting an answer |
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| 21:34.06 | stew | adub: this is the wrong channel to be asking about problems witha ubuntu kernel |
| 21:34.11 | x-x- | Andy5201987: why not just wait? |
| 21:34.18 | Andy5201987 | I've been |
| 21:34.26 | x-x- | people don't live on irc waiting for your questions |
| 21:34.34 | Andy5201987 | oh |
| 21:34.36 | Andy5201987 | I know that |
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| 21:34.37 | cbrake | can anyone tell me how I can get the woody install CDs. |
| 21:34.39 | stew | Andy5201987: have you checked backports.org? |
| 21:34.49 | Andy5201987 | didn't even know of the site |
| 21:34.57 | stew | Andy5201987: /msg dpkg backports |
| 21:34.59 | x-x- | Andy5201987: www.kde.org |
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| 21:35.18 | pm__ | all my win98 clients can log on to the samba domain, but when i try to make a winxp client join to the domain i get an error that says that it can't route the access to the domain, what could cause this? |
| 21:35.28 | Andy5201987 | www.kde.org didn't really help |
| 21:35.39 | Andy5201987 | as it didn't provide the repositories |
| 21:35.40 | adub | stew in all honesty its not about ubuntu this is a compile problem and nothing affiliated with distribution flavor |
| 21:36.03 | Andy5201987 | I'm at backports.org |
| 21:36.06 | Andy5201987 | where do I go now |
| 21:36.31 | stew | adub: then its definately off-topic here |
| 21:36.34 | x-x- | read? |
| 21:36.56 | stew | Andy5201987: packages->k |
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| 21:37.06 | Andy5201987 | ok |
| 21:37.07 | Haukkari | Can anyone here give me a reasonably confident answer on how much hard drive access times affect boot-up time? |
| 21:37.15 | thecoolestcow | is there such a thing as a miniature debian? |
| 21:37.17 | Andy5201987 | then I just look for kde in the list right? |
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| 21:37.28 | x-x- | adub: none of the modules that came with the kernel work with the card? |
| 21:37.28 | adub | stew quit being difficult man i use debian too i am part of the linux community |
| 21:37.46 | adub | x-x- thanks man well the card works just not in monitor mode |
| 21:37.56 | Andy5201987 | I see kdesvn_0.6... |
| 21:37.58 | stew | adub: you seem to be using ubuntu, not debian, which is off-topic by channel policy, we have no idea what compilier you shoudl be using |
| 21:38.13 | adub | x-x- supposidly the patch drivers are suppose to get the card working in monitor mode |
| 21:38.20 | thecoolestcow | are there any small, installable debian-based distros (as in, not bootable)? |
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| 21:38.31 | adub | CC=gcc-3.4 |
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| 21:38.42 | Newck | is postfix *really* chrooted by default? |
| 21:38.51 | adub | 3.4 compiler goes with the drivers i have it woudl be the same for debian stew |
| 21:38.51 | Coweater | thecoolestcow: damn small linux |
| 21:38.54 | stew | Newck: check master.cf to find out, but i believe so, yes |
| 21:38.54 | Newck | my /etc/postfix/master.cf shows an "n" for all of the chroot rows |
| 21:39.03 | kspath | thecoolestcow: 40MB netinstall http://www.debian.org |
| 21:39.03 | thecoolestcow | «Coweater» its bootable, and isnt working right with vmware. |
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| 21:39.16 | thecoolestcow | «kspath» swee thanks |
| 21:39.19 | thecoolestcow | er, sweet |
| 21:39.21 | Coweater | of course it's bootable, why on earth wouldn't it be bootable? |
| 21:39.24 | Newck | so can the chroot be used by simply changing those to "y"? |
| 21:39.37 | thecoolestcow | «Coweater» sorry, i meant live |
| 21:39.44 | x-x- | lol |
| 21:39.48 | x-x- | then you need knoppix |
| 21:39.54 | thecoolestcow | no, i _dont_ want live! |
| 21:39.56 | Coweater | dsl can be installed to hard disk |
| 21:39.56 | thecoolestcow | hahah |
| 21:39.57 | x-x- | netinstall is not live at all |
| 21:40.03 | x-x- | oh |
| 21:40.04 | thecoolestcow | coweater not if it doesnt work right to begin with |
| 21:40.10 | x-x- | talk english ffs |
| 21:40.12 | kspath | thecoolestcow: DSL might be your best option |
| 21:40.21 | x-x- | he does not want LIVE |
| 21:40.22 | thecoolestcow | «kspath» why? i tryed it. |
| 21:40.31 | kspath | tried? |
| 21:40.32 | stew | adub: ubuntu doesn't use the same compilers as debian for all kernels, you need a compiler that matches the one that was used for the kernel, since its not a debian kerenl, we can't help you |
| 21:40.34 | thecoolestcow | yeah, i specifically dont want live |
| 21:40.39 | thecoolestcow | yeah tried, not tryed |
| 21:40.40 | thecoolestcow | lol |
| 21:40.47 | thecoolestcow | vmware. |
| 21:40.59 | kspath | I am not vm aware |
| 21:41.00 | Andy5201987 | ok |
| 21:41.02 | thecoolestcow | i want to install debian on my windows vmware. |
| 21:41.04 | Andy5201987 | I got stuff there |
| 21:41.04 | x-x- | thecoolestcow: get netinstall instead |
| 21:41.10 | thecoolestcow | yeah i am. thank you. |
| 21:41.12 | Andy5201987 | but how do I put that into sources.list |
| 21:41.15 | thecoolestcow | «kspath» nah you helped |
| 21:41.21 | thecoolestcow | exactly what i needed |
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| 21:41.32 | x-x- | Andy5201987: read the FAQ |
| 21:41.35 | x-x- | ffs |
| 21:41.46 | Andy5201987 | says not found |
| 21:41.59 | kspath | thecoolestcow: there is also the 108-110 MB netinstall in case the 40MB netinstall does not have what all you need/want. |
| 21:42.01 | stew | Andy5201987: backports.org/instructions.html |
| 21:42.06 | x-x- | contact them, add to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:42.34 | coolpix | cya |
| 21:42.36 | stew | kspath: the only difference between those two is whether or not it fetches base off the net or from the cd |
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| 21:42.51 | _unstable | diana@cookooland:~/movies$ file --version |
| 21:42.51 | _unstable | file-4.15 |
| 21:42.52 | Andy5201987 | ah |
| 21:42.54 | Andy5201987 | got it |
| 21:42.56 | Andy5201987 | thanks |
| 21:42.57 | Andy5201987 | over and out |
| 21:43.06 | thecoolestcow | «kspath» nah, the 40MB install is the businesscard cd one. i'm getting the 108 one |
| 21:43.10 | _unstable | How can I file a report to request file to updated to 4.16? for testing/unstable |
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| 21:43.32 | x-x- | _unstable: add unstable? |
| 21:43.39 | _unstable | x-x-: I am using unstable |
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| 21:43.56 | _unstable | file 4.16 is pretty old now also |
| 21:44.00 | stew | _unstable: file a wishlist bug against file with the title "new upstream release available" |
| 21:44.10 | kspath | stew: I stand corrected, something/someone made me think/believe/understand/remember there were some additional drivers at boot. |
| 21:44.12 | djp | why can i not cancel, pause (do anything) with the small printer icon that appears in the gnome panel when printing? if i try to cancel, pause a print job, the print manager freezes. |
| 21:44.20 | stew | kspath: no they are the same kernels |
| 21:44.30 | _unstable | stew: What is the file upstream website? |
| 21:44.37 | Newck | how do i tell if postfix is configured for chroot? |
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| 21:44.49 | streuner_ | Newck: heh |
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| 21:45.04 | streuner_ | Newck: postfix run in chroot by default in debian |
| 21:45.07 | stew | _unstable: /usr/share/doc/file/copyright should tell you |
| 21:45.25 | amee2k | how do i match network interfaces (eth0 eth1 ...) to actual network devices? |
| 21:45.28 | Newck | streuner_: supposedly, but my fresh install has "n" for all the chroot fields in /etc/postfix/master.cf |
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| 21:45.46 | dries | is there a way to check all files on the disk against the checksums/permissions/.. as defined in the debian packages database? something like rpm --verify on rpm systems? |
| 21:45.53 | _unstable | This package was assembled by Michael Piefel <piefel@debian.org> |
| 21:45.55 | _unstable | sources from ftp://ftp.astron.com/pub/file/file-4.02.tar.gz . |
| 21:45.58 | moshii | dries: debsums |
| 21:46.12 | dries | moshii: thanks.. i really couldn't find the name |
| 21:46.15 | _unstable | stew: looks like someone is neglecting the ever important file command. who is this maintainer |
| 21:46.28 | moshii | dries: something like aide or tripwire is handy also |
| 21:46.33 | stew | _unstable: apt-cache show file |
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| 21:46.53 | dries | moshii: yes, got that, but something which uses the info of the distribution is handy too :) |
| 21:47.01 | lobomufas | hi |
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| 21:47.08 | Gnea | _unstable: what's wrong with it? |
| 21:47.12 | kspath | stew: funny thing was I specifically burn both to those little mini-CDRs because of the bogus info. Now I feel like an idiot. |
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| 21:48.03 | zinx | moshii: no, they're md5sum'd, then the list of md5sums is signed |
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| 21:48.07 | dr1v3r | guys i had a shortcut to a folder but i deleted it by mistake how can i get it back? |
| 21:48.13 | stew | moshii: they have been for years |
| 21:48.25 | stew | moshii: well, what zinx said |
| 21:48.31 | moshii | stew: really? I though gpg signed had only just come in? |
| 21:48.34 | _unstable | Gnea: It's an old version, and it shows inaccurate data for some files, that you type the "file" command with. |
| 21:48.49 | Gnea | _unstable: prove it. |
| 21:49.04 | zinx | moshii: no, the md5sums have been available for a *VERY* long time, and have been signed for nearly as long |
| 21:49.15 | zinx | moshii: the tools recently gained the ability to check the signature automatically |
| 21:49.19 | moshii | stew: I thought only the overall package was signed, not the files inside ... md5 is fine for checking corruption but not if someone has gotten in and changed the sums |
| 21:49.24 | _unstable | Gnea: Like for example the audio/video container "Matrsoka" shows as "RISC OS archive (spark format)" and many other inaccuracies. |
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| 21:49.36 | zinx | moshii: the md5sums are signed. |
| 21:49.48 | moshii | zinx: that's good to know :) |
| 21:49.57 | Gnea | _unstable: what's "Matrsoka"? |
| 21:50.10 | moshii | Gnea: video container format |
| 21:50.26 | moshii | Gnea: like AVI or OGM |
| 21:50.26 | zinx | moshii: aptitude in testing/unstable (possibly apt-get too) will warn you if the signature couldn't be verified or the checksums don't match |
| 21:50.32 | Gnea | "video container"? not just "video" |
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| 21:50.38 | _unstable | Gnea: But with file 4.16 it would show as "Matroska data" |
| 21:50.39 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 21:50.53 | _unstable | Gnea: It's a popular container, like avi or mpeg |
| 21:50.56 | Gnea | _unstable: and what part of file would provide such information? |
| 21:51.06 | _unstable | Gnea: You can combine xvid/ogg and still have menu support. |
| 21:51.09 | Gnea | wouldn't that be a mime type? |
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| 21:51.19 | _unstable | Gnea: the magic number. |
| 21:51.20 | moshii | zinx: yeah I noticed that, I just thought the resulting deb was signed as a whole |
| 21:51.20 | _unstable | libmagic1 |
| 21:52.00 | Gnea | _unstable: so you could theoretically upgrade libmagic1 and have file 4.15 properly identify it, right? |
| 21:52.01 | dippo | can anyone recommend a package for monitoring local security -- i.e. watching for sensitive files changing, suspicious activity in logs, etc? |
| 21:52.13 | moshii | dippo: aide for files changing |
| 21:52.14 | _unstable | Gnea: not sure |
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| 21:52.24 | dippo | cool.. thanks |
| 21:52.34 | Gnea | _unstable: perhaps you should find out before making such an accusation. |
| 21:53.03 | paolob | Hi guys! I have been using oo.o quite a long time, but I haven't understood yet how to cut paragraphs. If I cut a paragraph with its paragraph sign (which supposedly is the correct way in order to paste the paragraph with its caracteristics), the next paragraph assumes the formatting of the cutted paragraph. Is it a bug or am I newby? |
| 21:53.54 | Gnea | according to the descrioption: Starting with version 4, the file command is not much more than a wrapper |
| 21:53.54 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.56 | _unstable | Gnea: I'm just looking at the docs in /usr/share/file and they're all out of date |
| 21:54.01 | _unstable | Gnea: They show inaccurate info. |
| 21:54.14 | Gnea | -o |
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| 21:54.38 | Gnea | _unstable: against correct info which is located where? |
| 21:54.49 | stew | _unstable: generate a diff between 4.15 and 4.16, then apply the patch to the debian 4.15 sources, then "dch -n " to bump the changelog, then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, and you ahve 4.16 debs |
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| 21:56.26 | dippo | heh, aide detected the breakin at debian.org in 2003 |
| 21:56.29 | dippo | i guess that means it works! |
| 21:56.36 | amee2k | how can I find out what network card (hardware) an interface (eth0 eth1 ...) corresponds to? |
| 21:56.42 | dr1v3r | guys i tried to create a shortcut to a folder using su /foldername/ /path/to/dir/ is that right? i am sure that is how i done it before |
| 21:56.53 | moshii | dippo: it's good if you have lots of work but crap harddisks too ;) |
| 21:56.53 | Gnea | amee2k: dmesg |
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| 21:57.14 | Gnea | dr1v3r: ln not su |
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| 21:57.28 | dr1v3r | dammit no wonder it would not work |
| 21:57.34 | dr1v3r | thanks Gnea ur a star |
| 21:57.36 | blue` | dmesg then cross reference with what ifconfig gives you. |
| 21:57.45 | moshii | dr1v3r: su - switch user ;) |
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| 21:57.47 | Gnea | am i... |
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| 21:57.53 | amee2k | ty :) |
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| 21:58.53 | Fox_1_ | how to use php4 and jk in apache 2.2???? i couldn't found php4 module for apache 2.2 |
| 21:59.02 | hans0lo | Anyone know how to get Evolution Spell check to work on Etch? |
| 21:59.28 | moshii | Fox_1_: tried apt-cache search apache | grep php4 |
| 21:59.36 | stew | Fox_1_: apache 2.2 isn't in debian yet |
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| 21:59.37 | markybob | hans0lo, apt-get install gnome-spell |
| 21:59.46 | dr1v3r | Gnea it says no such file or directory |
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| 22:00.00 | Gnea | moshii: no need to grep, multiple arguments auto-grep: apt-cache search apache php4 |
| 22:00.15 | Fox_1_ | stew i know. i have downloaded and installed it. |
| 22:00.16 | Gnea | dr1v3r: are you using it right? man ln |
| 22:00.24 | Fox_1_ | stew from apache.org |
| 22:00.54 | dr1v3r | yea i am doing it how i done it before, it just keeps saying no such file or directory of the folder i am trying to creat |
| 22:00.55 | moshii | Gnea: ah cool, sometimes I like to use grep just because I like feeling of using pipes |
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| 22:01.45 | Gnea | dr1v3r: if you did it wrong the first time then maybe you messed it up |
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| 22:02.13 | dr1v3r | the first time i ever done it it worked, but i deleted the folder by mistake with everything else :( |
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| 22:03.26 | theeil | problem booting when using sata HDD |
| 22:03.38 | theeil | (install cd) |
| 22:03.40 | Gnea | what problem? |
| 22:03.47 | moshii | theeil: you'll need to give more detail |
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| 22:04.17 | theeil | can't find filesystem when booting (after lilo/grub) |
| 22:04.32 | moshii | theeil: hmm I've had that |
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| 22:04.48 | Gnea | theeil: you got it on there somehow... |
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| 22:05.40 | moshii | theeil: try changing the root device in grub from boot |
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| 22:06.25 | moshii | theeil: on my system the sata and ide devices change roles, sata is hd0 at boot, but hd1 once everything is loaded) |
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| 22:06.53 | Gnea | moshii: you'll need to map them out |
| 22:07.15 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.39 | moshii | Gnea: cheers again :) |
| 22:08.01 | theeil | but should it even need the hard drive to boot off the cd and enter installer |
| 22:08.08 | moshii | to be honest I boot this system about once a month, so I haven't been that bothered |
| 22:08.32 | Gnea | :) |
| 22:09.04 | moshii | my sparc was up for 300 days.. it's getting too noisy to sleep with in on now though |
| 22:09.08 | Gnea | theeil: you're not making any sense |
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| 22:09.39 | Wanderer | anyone know what package I need so that apt-get will stop complaining it doesn't know what term "color_xterm" is? |
| 22:09.51 | theeil | to boot off the installer cd, it should not need to find a filesystem other than that on the cd, right? |
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| 22:10.10 | Gnea | theeil: what does that have to do with booting a sata hdd? |
| 22:10.24 | moshii | theeil: hmm it doesn't even know you have other filesystems until the installer has got some way in |
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| 22:12.59 | Wanderer | of 8 machines only 1 complains about the TERM but I can't find the package |
| 22:13.01 | Wanderer | rather annoying |
| 22:13.41 | theeil | exactly, but the error is about not finding a filesystem |
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| 22:15.24 | moshii | theeil: where in the installer is it complaining? |
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| 22:15.58 | luisito | hello hello |
| 22:16.01 | theeil | after bootloader, before first prompt |
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| 22:17.40 | moshii | theeil: sure it doesn't say something about intial ramdisk or something along those lines? |
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| 22:19.11 | disposable | why is RuDeG..... getting k-lined? |
| 22:19.25 | liran_ | x-window-system installs xorg, doesn't it? |
| 22:19.35 | azeem | liran_: on testing and unstable, yes |
| 22:19.38 | moshii | disposable: poor choice of nick, and for being a girl |
| 22:19.45 | SimonRaven | spam bot probably. i've seen that username before - associated with spam bots |
| 22:19.59 | disposable | moshii: :) |
| 22:20.03 | liran_ | azeem, on sarge 3.1 it doesnt? |
| 22:20.17 | SimonRaven | liran_: no |
| 22:20.20 | liran_ | azeem, ahh its installing xorg then...? |
| 22:20.42 | SimonRaven | it isn't sarge then |
| 22:21.02 | liran_ | SimonRaven, my bad, i meant its installing xfree |
| 22:21.17 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 22:21.29 | liran_ | SimonRaven, ok ill get rid of it by remove --purge x-window-system, what about getting xorg installed? |
| 22:21.33 | SimonRaven | look at the package names ;) |
| 22:21.42 | SimonRaven | not with sarge |
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| 22:21.54 | moshii | liran_: if you want xorg upgrade to testing |
| 22:22.09 | liran_ | ahh |
| 22:22.18 | liran_ | but i can install it on sarge |
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| 22:23.02 | venox | hey... I'm using blackrhino (a debian based playstation2 linux distribution), and I'm trying to build glib 2.8.6 using `deb-make ; fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage`, but when the dpkg-buildpackage script calls `debian/rules build`, it says "make: `build' is up to date" and then the script tries to make install (it doesn't even run ./configure!) |
| 22:23.09 | venox | anyone knows what's going on? |
| 22:23.29 | azeem | liran_: xorg for sarge is on www.backports.org |
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| 22:24.14 | azeem | venox: why don't you build the regular Debian glib source package? |
| 22:24.21 | azeem | you can be sure that works |
| 22:24.28 | SimonRaven | liran_: no |
| 22:24.33 | venox | azeem: how do I build it? |
| 22:24.41 | SimonRaven | only what azeem said will work |
| 22:24.50 | azeem | venox: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage |
| 22:24.51 | moshii | venox: you should read the new maintainer page.. |
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| 22:26.59 | higuita | hi |
| 22:27.01 | elnovato | stew: ?? |
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| 22:27.32 | stew | elnovato: yes? |
| 22:27.32 | elnovato | whats is the line commands for xorg.conf to enable dual head monitor desktop ?? |
| 22:27.47 | stew | elnovato: read the xinerama howto |
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| 22:27.57 | elnovato | alrite |
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| 22:28.43 | higuita | how can i tell defoma to add a few more ttf to the system? specially to ghostscript (i already manage to add then to fc-cache and /etc/font/font.conf) |
| 22:29.50 | azeem | fcn: please write in english |
| 22:29.54 | pusling | in which version did fuse enter the kernel = |
| 22:30.33 | higuita | almost all howtos are still talking about font servers and font path in XF86Config, but almost no info about ghostscript |
| 22:30.38 | liran_ | SimonRaven, ok for chaning to testing im just replacing in my sources.lst from stable to testing? |
| 22:32.14 | abrotman | !tell liran_ about sarge->etch |
| 22:32.35 | piclez | hi anybody knows hot to install the package DBA using apt-get? what is the pckg name? |
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| 22:32.47 | elitecoon | Why, hello there |
| 22:32.56 | piclez | whee |
| 22:33.06 | elitecoon | Say, anyone here using an iBook G4? |
| 22:33.27 | liran_ | !dpkg testing security |
| 22:33.28 | dpkg | testing security is, like, Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
| 22:33.30 | liran_ | thanks abrotman |
| 22:33.40 | azeem | elitecoon: tuxmobile.org has information on notebooks. If you have a specific question, just ask |
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| 22:34.06 | elitecoon | I just need to find out exactly how to configure that blasted Airport Extreme |
| 22:34.23 | elitecoon | I've seen the Apple airport card work before. I just can't remember |
| 22:34.33 | azeem | there was something about it in this weeks Debian Weekly News |
| 22:34.35 | azeem | I think |
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| 22:36.15 | elitecoon | oops, that guide was in Italian. My bad. |
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| 22:36.26 | icebit | hi all :-) |
| 22:36.35 | elitecoon | g'day |
| 22:37.08 | loggygreg | why is there a "deb file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build main" in my sources.list ? |
| 22:37.37 | azeem | loggygreg: we don't know, maybe you put it in there? |
| 22:37.43 | azeem | loggygreg: or apt-build did? |
| 22:37.51 | elitecoon | ah, it says that '3.0 up supports the card' |
| 22:37.54 | elitecoon | good |
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| 22:38.08 | azeem | elitecoon: 3.0 of what? |
| 22:38.19 | loggygreg | azeem: i don't know which package added this |
| 22:38.31 | elitecoon | Um, Debian |
| 22:38.33 | azeem | loggygreg: do you have apt-build installed? |
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| 22:38.44 | loggygreg | azeem: yes |
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| 22:38.57 | azeem | loggygreg: from the looks of it, that might be the cause |
| 22:39.09 | loggygreg | azeem: ok |
| 22:39.13 | azeem | elitecoon: Debian 3.0 is older than airport extreme |
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| 22:39.36 | azeem | elitecoon: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/2006/01/msg01088.html (in spanish) |
| 22:39.37 | elitecoon | well, I'll be the son of a.. |
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| 22:46.58 | jazbo | anybody know what port 933 is used for? |
| 22:47.43 | elnovato | stew: is it posible to use opengl + hardware aceleration , with free drivers? |
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| 22:51.01 | jazbo | Let me rephrase that, does anyone know why port 933 would be open on my fresh sarge install? |
| 22:51.13 | robin_z | why not ask it? |
| 22:51.15 | venox | nice. creating a build-stamp target fix my problem ;) |
| 22:51.31 | robin_z | netstat -tupan | grep 933 |
| 22:51.34 | robin_z | as root |
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| 22:51.43 | higuita | what is running in that port? |
| 22:51.53 | ove | secure pop |
| 22:52.06 | robin_z | probably |
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| 22:52.18 | robin_z | netstat will tell you for sure ... |
| 22:52.33 | higuita | pop3s is 995 |
| 22:52.38 | robin_z | grepping /etc/services will tell you what _shold_ be n that port |
| 22:52.39 | higuita | not 933 |
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| 22:52.56 | robin_z | well, if he runs netstat, he'll know for sure .. |
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| 22:53.05 | jazbo | ahh cool I'll have to read about netstat. just now learning a little about this kind of stuff |
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| 22:53.33 | robin_z | just run that command. |
| 22:53.35 | poison | Hi all, when I do mkinitrd I get an error that libdl.so.2 is not found |
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| 22:53.42 | robin_z | netstat -tupan | grep 933 |
| 22:54.01 | Mr-R | robin_z: he just left... |
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| 22:54.43 | robin_z | Mr-R: how sad |
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| 22:55.11 | Mr-R | robin_z: yes. i am going nuts not knowing what he is running at port 933. ;) |
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| 22:57.18 | poison | Is there anybody who knows where I can get that libdl.so.2 to run mkinitrd? |
| 22:58.00 | pipeline | poison: Uh, libdl.so is the dynamic linker. Your system must be pretty screwed up. |
| 22:58.38 | poison | how do you mean pipeline? it's a fresh debian installation |
| 22:58.51 | poison | I just compiled a new kernel and that kernel works fine now |
| 22:59.07 | poison | but I need to go back to the 2.4 kernel and therefore I need to make an initrd image |
| 22:59.42 | jazbo | when I do `netstat -tupan | grep 933` I get: |
| 22:59.43 | jazbo | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:933 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2871/rpc.statd |
| 23:00.26 | poison | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:01.13 | poison | when I cat /lib/libdl.so.2 I get strange characters so I assume that it's there |
| 23:01.31 | poison | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Feb 1 05:24 libdl.so.2 -> libdl-2.3.2.so |
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| 23:03.10 | poison | I'm using debian-amd64 3.1 |
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| 23:03.34 | jazbo | What's a good way to trace when/how a running process was launched? |
| 23:03.48 | xerophyte | what is the best visio replacement |
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| 23:06.30 | penrod | I have a large numbers of files with a ~ at the end, I can't figure out how to change all the file names, to remove the ~, I have read man mv |
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| 23:06.37 | marius___ | hey, i got a problem. after upgrading to x.org 6.9.0 (etch), X just keeps crashing (tried kernels 2.6.15.4 and 2.6.12-1-686, drivers fglrx, radeon and vesa --- same thing with any combination of them...) |
| 23:06.45 | bbrazil | penrod: man rename |
| 23:06.52 | bbrazil | penrod: see also: mmv |
| 23:06.56 | eeyore- | marius___: have to read X log to see why it's crashing |
| 23:07.20 | eeyore- | marius___: but, no. i run xorg + fglrx and i don't see the "keep crashing" symptom :-) |
| 23:07.24 | penrod | thanks kindly |
| 23:07.41 | eeyore- | xerophyte: there isn't any (visio replacement) |
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| 23:08.16 | xerophyte | eeyore-, thx .. i think kivio will do for me |
| 23:08.18 | marius___ | i cheked the logs and there's nothing that could relate to those crashes |
| 23:08.31 | marius___ | and crash is the wrong word... the entire system freezes |
| 23:08.35 | qhuo | how do I prevent the dhcp client overwriting my resolv.conf? |
| 23:08.43 | abrotman | qhuo: read dhclient.conf |
| 23:08.44 | marius___ | and i have to press the power button... |
| 23:09.14 | eeyore- | marius___: when it "freeze", do you still get network login? |
| 23:09.20 | dumezil | how can i get older versions of the kernel packages? i need to get 2.6.5 for a server |
| 23:09.32 | abrotman | !snapshot |
| 23:09.33 | dpkg | hmm... debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 23:09.37 | poison | in which package is the libdl.so included? |
| 23:09.41 | abrotman | dumezil: you realize it's pretty insecure?> |
| 23:09.45 | eeyore- | marius___: because it's either (a) only X dies, but prevents console switching, or (b) the display locks up taking the entire computer with it |
| 23:09.51 | abrotman | dumezil: or get vanilla sources from kernel.org |
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| 23:09.59 | Mr-R | poison: libc6 |
| 23:10.10 | poison | whoosh |
| 23:10.14 | abrotman | !tell poison about search |
| 23:10.56 | poison | so if my libdl is broken I have to reinstall libc6? |
| 23:11.01 | marius___ | eeyore-: hmm.. I havent tested it, but reading similar cases on the net, it seems that nothing works (no net login)... although i haven't found a solution to my problem from the similar cases... |
| 23:11.17 | qhuo | abrotman: thanks. I have "option domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1" set for interface ra0, but it does not seem to work. |
| 23:11.41 | eeyore- | marius___: if you can isolate it (is it X problem or is it fglrx), you might have better luck. try running the radeon driver instead of fglrx |
| 23:11.53 | abrotman | !resolvconf |
| 23:11.56 | abrotman | !resolv.conf |
| 23:12.01 | abrotman | freaking bot |
| 23:12.13 | abrotman | !fixresolvconf |
| 23:12.13 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) a slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself, or to edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 23:12.18 | rodrigo | can anyone tell me a good movie player that can play wmv files? |
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| 23:12.34 | abrotman | !tell rodrigo about w32codecs |
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| 23:12.42 | qhuo | abrotman: what do you mean by "!fixresolvconf"? |
| 23:13.00 | eeyore- | i think "resolvconf" is more trouble than it's worth |
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| 23:13.06 | eeyore- | overly complicated POS |
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| 23:13.25 | marius___ | eeyore-: i am running the radeon driver... could it be that the ati config scripts replaced it or some other (gl?) lib files with their own?... i'm running out of ideas... |
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| 23:13.26 | eeyore- | dhclient.conf with a stanza to override NS is much easier to get right |
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| 23:13.51 | eeyore- | marius___: well, if you suspect that you could always debsums and verify GL package files |
| 23:13.52 | abrotman | qhuo: read what the bot said |
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| 23:14.06 | abrotman | !tell qhuo about fixresolvconf |
| 23:14.19 | dumezil | abrotman: 2.6.5 is insecure or using vanilla kernels is insecure? either way it doesn't really matter... snapshot.debian.net only shows 2.6.12 to 2.6.15... how can i find 2.6.5? |
| 23:14.29 | abrotman | dumezil: 2.6.5 .. |
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| 23:14.43 | efreet | hello |
| 23:15.26 | abrotman | dumezil: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/k/kernel-image-2.6.5-i386/ |
| 23:15.57 | efreet | i have a problem with the kde /proc/acpi/sleep bug, because i don't know where to get the patch |
| 23:15.58 | abrotman | deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool kernel-image-2.6.5-i386 |
| 23:15.58 | abrotman | deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool kernel-image-2.6.5-i386 |
| 23:16.03 | marius___ | eeyore-: thanks, didn't know of that command. seems useful :), but no, it shows all the files as Ok.. |
| 23:16.30 | dumezil | abrotman: thanks... see the reason i need 2.6.5 is that i can't build the driver for my fiber channel card except on a suse linux box for the way it is distributed... suse is currently using 2.6.5... |
| 23:16.39 | abrotman | dumezil: that might be the time period that is missing |
| 23:16.48 | KerPlunk | !tell efreet about suspend2 |
| 23:16.53 | poison | is there anybody who can help me with the error |
| 23:16.56 | abrotman | dumezil: guess you're going vanilla then .. or grab the suse kernel source packages .. and build on debian |
| 23:17.05 | poison | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.32 | dumezil | abrotman: am i wrong to assume i can build the module on a suse box and just copy it over to my debian box? |
| 23:17.36 | efreet | thx |
| 23:17.42 | KerPlunk | !tell poison about libc6 |
| 23:17.48 | marius___ | the weird thing is that kern.log shows some fglrx related errors just before the freeze... but 1) i'm using the 'radeon' driver and 2) the module isn't even loaded (won't load at all - gives me some permission denied errors... and i am root) |
| 23:17.56 | poison | I didn't downgrade it |
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| 23:18.25 | marius___ | is there some way to go back to x.org 6.8? |
| 23:18.54 | eeyore- | marius___: you'll have to grab the package by hand and install it :-) |
| 23:18.55 | KerPlunk | marius___: What version of debian are you using? |
| 23:19.00 | marius___ | etch |
| 23:19.05 | eeyore- | marius___: go to pool.debian.org |
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| 23:19.10 | abrotman | dumezil: depends :) |
| 23:19.28 | azeem | ping: unknown host pool.debian.org |
| 23:19.36 | marius___ | same error |
| 23:19.46 | eeyore- | ah ... |
| 23:19.59 | qhuo | i see, let me try. |
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| 23:20.48 | efaistos | there is no kernel headers for 2.6.8 kernels ? |
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| 23:21.25 | EnsignRedshirt | Hello, world. |
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| 23:21.50 | marius___ | efaistos: i see kernel-headers-2.6.8-11 and -2 |
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| 23:21.59 | user1024 | Hi, all |
| 23:22.11 | user1024 | Any ideas how I can set up a Telnet server on my Linux box? |
| 23:22.12 | EnsignRedshirt | Python hackers: is there a pygsl package avaiable for debian? I didn't find one Synaptic. |
| 23:22.18 | user1024 | Just want to be able to access shell remotely. |
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| 23:22.42 | marius___ | user1024: why telnet? ssh is more secure |
| 23:22.43 | EnsignRedshirt | s/one Synaptic/one in Synaptic/ |
| 23:23.01 | eeyore- | marius___: ftp.debian.org/debian :-) |
| 23:23.12 | user1024 | Is it easy to set up? And are there many freeware clients for WinXP (which most end-users of this box will use)? |
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| 23:23.21 | qhuo | abrotman: thanks, my resolv.conf problem is solved. |
| 23:23.31 | blakkino | user1024, today there are more ssh clients than telnet ones |
| 23:23.34 | blakkino | :) |
| 23:23.38 | rredd4 | is there a way to turn off the modem speaker when using pon? |
| 23:23.39 | user1024 | Oh, good! |
| 23:23.42 | marius___ | user1024: apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 23:23.52 | user1024 | Marius___, cheers :) |
| 23:24.30 | marius___ | and then look into /etc/ssh/ if you need to configure it |
| 23:24.37 | user1024 | Marius___, without sounding as thick as pig poo (which I am), how do I get this to start up automatically with the system? |
| 23:24.41 | marius___ | otherwise just download "putty" for windows and connect |
| 23:24.44 | piclez | hi how I edit LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? |
| 23:24.46 | marius___ | it usually starys |
| 23:24.50 | marius___ | *starts by itself |
| 23:24.53 | user1024 | Great |
| 23:24.59 | marius___ | but if you need to configure what starts and what not |
| 23:25.00 | user1024 | Thanks a lot for your help, Marius___! |
| 23:25.00 | marius___ | use rcconf |
| 23:25.03 | qhuo | are there any reason that /etc/init.d/networking script is being run at runlevel 0 and 6? Should it be shutdown instead? |
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| 23:25.08 | KerPlunk_ | Is there a way to download and install debs that are listed on new.html? |
| 23:25.08 | user1024 | rcconf? Magic. Thanks |
| 23:25.32 | piclez | rcconf? |
| 23:25.41 | marius___ | qhuo: maybe you need to shut down networking? |
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| 23:26.09 | ccg | how do i find out if i got 64 bit or 32 bit debian installed |
| 23:26.26 | higuita | ccg: uname -a?! |
| 23:26.37 | qhuo | marius___: yes, I expect the networking be shutdown at runlevel 0/6. |
| 23:26.39 | marius___ | ccg: uname -a |
| 23:26.48 | higuita | file /lib/libc or even /lib64?! |
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| 23:27.03 | ccg | Linux n0190 2.6.15-1-686 #2 Thu Feb 2 18:29:01 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:27.16 | parsek_77 | it's 32 |
| 23:27.16 | marius___ | looks like 32 to me... |
| 23:27.20 | ccg | aye |
| 23:27.39 | parsek_77 | i don't see x86-64 |
| 23:27.50 | ccg | how do i find out if the network module or the pcmcia module gets loaded first at startup ? |
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| 23:28.28 | KerPlunk_ | ccg: vi /etc/modules |
| 23:28.37 | piclez | how to check, change LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
| 23:28.40 | dumezil | ok so snapshot.debian.net doesn't have 2.6.5... the earliest 2.6 kernel it has is 2.6.8.... anyone have any other ideas where i could get a 2.6.5 kernel image (686 smp) ? |
| 23:29.01 | efaistos | marius___, I dont see that with my apt-cache ? |
| 23:29.03 | loggygreg | piclez: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH= your lib path |
| 23:29.04 | thingfish | dumezil: does kernel.org keep archives? |
| 23:29.06 | KerPlunk_ | dumezil: www.kernel.org |
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| 23:29.32 | dumezil | well i was hoping for the vanilla .deb package file... so i didn't have to mess with it |
| 23:29.33 | ccg | kerneld: both modules arent specified in that file |
| 23:29.38 | piclez | loggygreg thanks :) |
| 23:29.42 | ccg | KerPlunk: both modules arent specified in that file |
| 23:30.00 | marius___ | efaistos: you don't see rcconf? |
| 23:30.11 | KerPlunk_ | ccg: add them |
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| 23:30.34 | ccg | KerPlunk: i think they are already loaded from modules.conf or so |
| 23:30.35 | efaistos | marius___, yes i see it why ? what does exactly this stuff do ? |
| 23:30.45 | KerPlunk_ | ccg: can't hurt to add them |
| 23:30.55 | KerPlunk_ | ccg: this way you can be sure they are loaded first |
| 23:31.05 | ccg | oki |
| 23:31.13 | marius___ | ccg: /etc/modules with 2.6.x kernels, modules.conf is old. |
| 23:31.23 | marius___ | efaistos: you're asking what does the rcconf app do? |
| 23:31.35 | marius___ | it reorganises files in your rcX.d directories |
| 23:31.52 | marius___ | so that you have a nice way of configuring what services start and what don't |
| 23:32.01 | efaistos | ok i see but I was just asking for the kernel headers for 2.68 kernels |
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| 23:32.15 | RichiH | mgoetze! |
| 23:32.27 | ccg | marius___: so the modules in modules.conf dont get loaded with the 2.6 kernel ? |
| 23:32.40 | Mr-R | efaistos: cool. you must be from the 23rd century. :) |
| 23:32.42 | marius___ | as far as i know it's /etc/modules now |
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| 23:33.19 | piclez | loggygreg: I keep getting this error: configure: error: libXpm.(a|so) not found. any idea? |
| 23:33.20 | marius___ | efaistos: for those do an apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-11... at least i can see that package in etch |
| 23:33.46 | marius___ | piclez: apt-get install libxpm-dev |
| 23:33.50 | liran_ | the entire system is in another lanague than english, how do i turn it back all to english? |
| 23:34.05 | loggygreg | piclez: apt-get install libxpm-dev |
| 23:34.15 | Guerin | liran_: export LANG=C |
| 23:34.25 | KerPlunk_ | liran_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 23:34.57 | Mr-R | efaistos: aptitude install kernel-headers-2.6 should work |
| 23:35.25 | efreet | cya |
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| 23:35.57 | mgoetze | hi RichiH |
| 23:36.06 | KerPlunk_ | linux-headers-2.6-xxx is what you want. |
| 23:36.07 | piclez | loggygreg: thanks Marius____ |
| 23:36.18 | marius___ | np |
| 23:36.31 | efaistos | Mr-R, does it include all the headers for all kernels ? |
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| 23:37.07 | Shadowcat | why the hell would you want all the kernel headers? |
| 23:37.19 | Mr-R | efaistos: nope. it just points to the currently supported kernel version |
| 23:37.26 | user1024 | QUESTION! :) How do I change the name of the computer? Stupidly set the name to COMPUTER, and now I want to change it to something a little more original |
| 23:37.40 | Shadowcat | nano /etc/hostname |
| 23:37.44 | Guerin | user1024: man hostname |
| 23:37.45 | RichiH | user1024: heh |
| 23:37.50 | RichiH | what the two said |
| 23:37.51 | iam_a_muslim | Peace b upon u . . . .. . . [112:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful [112:1] Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD. [112:2] "The Absolute GOD. [112:3] "Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. [112:4] "None equals Him." . . .. . . http://www.submission.org/ |
| 23:37.59 | user1024 | Cheers |
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| 23:38.07 | RichiH | iam_a_muslim: yah, please stop |
| 23:38.15 | user1024 | Oh, one more question... what's the default port num for OpenSSH, and how can I configure it? |
| 23:38.21 | marius___ | 22 |
| 23:38.27 | marius___ | and /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 23:38.28 | Magdalene | afternoon |
| 23:38.37 | Shadowcat | !ops iam_a_muslim is spamming fundamentalist propaganda |
| 23:38.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: iam_a_muslim is spamming fundamentalist propaganda |
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| 23:38.51 | Mr-R | iam_a_muslim: we are not allowed to read the koran... sorry about that. ;) |
| 23:38.54 | Shadowcat | that's an acceptable solution as well |
| 23:38.59 | RichiH | Shadowcat: yes, yes, i handled it ;) |
| 23:39.15 | Shadowcat | and they wonder why Bush wants their asses over in Iran |
| 23:39.24 | thingfish | hehe Shadowcat |
| 23:39.26 | user1024 | Thanks, everybody |
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| 23:39.39 | Shadowcat | I mean the fundamentalist islamic elemets are doing a great job of campaigning for Bush |
| 23:39.48 | Shadowcat | elements even |
| 23:39.54 | Guerin | Shadowcat: put a sock in it |
| 23:39.56 | marius___ | ok, got to go... need to fix my own xorg problem somehow... |
| 23:39.59 | marius___ | cya |
| 23:40.02 | Shadowcat | Guerin: gotcha |
| 23:40.03 | azeem | Shadowcat: eh, vice versa as well |
| 23:40.13 | azeem | anyway |
| 23:40.27 | RichiH | Shadowcat: ironically, bush is doing a great job of campaigning for islamic fundamentalists |
| 23:41.03 | thingfish | I'm torn. I'd like to see both islamic fundamentalists *and* George Bush blown to smithereens. |
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| 23:41.35 | thingfish | well, and you can blow up christian fundamentalists too, for all I care. |
| 23:41.41 | xerophyte | http://img2.uploadimages.net/show.php?img=637933network.gif i have this network .. i am trying to ping 192.168.0.10 to 192.168.2.2 .. i am not able to but i can ping 192.168.0.1 from 192.168.2.2 .. what am i missing |
| 23:42.02 | Guerin | thingfish: you sound like my father-in-law. who reckons the way to get rid of all the gays is to put them all on an island together and watch the problem solve itself |
| 23:42.20 | mhall | Guerin: not going to work with fundamentalists |
| 23:42.22 | thingfish | hehe that's funny |
| 23:42.26 | mhall | Guerin: the problem is going to worsen |
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| 23:42.37 | thingfish | actually, I'd love for you guys to give us gay people a nice island. |
| 23:42.41 | Guerin | mhall: dict allegory |
| 23:43.00 | mhall | i know vocabulary; it was a damn joke |
| 23:43.03 | Mr-R | hey. please stop fundamentlism und start thinking about open source. ;) |
| 23:43.11 | Guerin | mhall: ENOTFUNNY |
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| 23:43.24 | Guerin | mhall: 900% of that joke was not funny |
| 23:43.35 | thingfish | actually I don't want anyone to be blown up. |
| 23:43.41 | ChrisW | anyone know what the svn package for debian is called? |
| 23:43.48 | ChrisW | (or rather: which one I need to run the shell client, and which one(s) I need to run the server?) |
| 23:43.50 | Shadowcat | ChrisW: subversion (duh) |
| 23:44.01 | ChrisW | *shrugs* |
| 23:44.11 | ChrisW | wonder why its not called svn? - duh! |
| 23:44.29 | user1024 | Ello, fellas. OpenSSH with putty is fine, I can access it from a Windows box, but *ONLY* if I use the IP address. Is there any way that WinXP can pick up on the hostname over the network? |
| 23:44.33 | Shadowcat | it's not called svn because the full prodcut name is Subversion |
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| 23:44.45 | user1024 | For example, instead of connecting to 192.168.0.8:22, could I connect to linuxbox:22 ? |
| 23:44.45 | Shadowcat | and if you had even bothered looking at the download page it'd tell you what to download as well |
| 23:44.49 | vulture | ChrisW: which kind of server do you want to run? (and svn is just an abbreviation. The program is called subversion) |
| 23:45.17 | Guerin | user1024: man hosts |
| 23:45.17 | Shadowcat | vulture: it really doesn't matter, the subversion package includes everything he needs |
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| 23:45.29 | Shadowcat | well... apart from apache, but that's a totally different story |
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| 23:45.31 | tyler | how do i play a cdrom in linux? |
| 23:46.11 | thingfish | tyler: put it in your cdrom drive. |
| 23:46.15 | Guerin | tyler:apt-cache search cdrom |
| 23:46.25 | vulture | Shadowcat: It doesn't include the apache module (and yes, doesn't inlude apache itself). |
| 23:46.26 | ChrisW | *shrugs* got the client, all I need for now... |
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| 23:46.42 | ChrisW | would like to run an https client eventually... |
| 23:46.46 | user1024 | Guerin, the hosts file has this line: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost linuxbox |
| 23:46.53 | user1024 | So why isn't WinXP picking up that name? |
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| 23:46.56 | user1024 | Weird. |
| 23:47.01 | vulture | ChrisW: Then you'll need apache2 and libapache2-mod-svn or something like that |
| 23:47.09 | Guerin | thingfish: your user needs direct access to the cd device, and you probably need to change your mixer settings |
| 23:47.12 | ChrisW | got apache2, iirc |
| 23:47.18 | Guerin | user1024: oh, i have no idea about winxp |
| 23:47.21 | ChrisW | anyway, thanks for now, need sleep... |
| 23:47.28 | user1024 | OK, thanks anyways :) |
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| 23:52.51 | korozion | upon boot, I see "Starting Printer Spooler" I don't have a printer, what package do I need to remove to get rid of that? |
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| 23:54.32 | Kvant | korozion, maybe lpr? |
| 23:54.54 | loggygreg | korozion: grep -lr 'Starting Printer Spooler' /etc/init.d and dlocate what you have found |
| 23:54.56 | Silent_al | korozion, cups \ lpr |
| 23:55.13 | korozion | loggygreg poifect! Thanks all three of you, that should get me what I need |
| 23:55.24 | martinho | what is the meaning of that big string after modprobe? i'm curious. modprobe usb:v07FFp00FFd0000dc00dsc00dp00ic08isc02ip50 |
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| 23:56.07 | zinx | martinho: hardware identification |
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| 23:56.28 | zinx | martinho: many drivers now have information that allows the kernel module to load by hardware rather than module name |
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| 23:57.40 | korozion | how can I see what's starting/not starting upon boot? |
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| 23:58.00 | korozion | something similar to redhats chk-config ? |
| 23:58.02 | martinho | so that hardware id is somewhere in some list in the module? it loads scsi_mod and usb_storage |
| 23:58.09 | Guerin | !red hat tools |
| 23:58.09 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. |
| 23:58.12 | seb- | abrot: you there? |
| 23:58.25 | korozion | cool |
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| 23:58.43 | seb- | help! i upgraded kernel and dunno how to get sound card working again! (it worked before) |
| 23:58.48 | romulo | how to set the keyboard on console to qwerty 104 us? |
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