| 00:00.20 | abrotman | bsims: i don't mind evolution .. but i don't have complicated usage |
| 00:00.44 | cafuego | abrotman: The main advantageto evolution (I find) is that beagle supports it. |
| 00:00.54 | abrotman | cafuego: if i used beagle :) |
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| 00:01.23 | jetscreamer | where is an example of adding options to modules, as in which file, and the end product |
| 00:01.36 | cafuego | jetscreamer: /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 00:01.46 | signius | is anyone familiar with sorting out ESD problems on debian ? |
| 00:01.47 | bsims | abrotman: me either I just needed some filtering for my mailing lists and didn't want to muck with a full MTA like exim and procmail to do it |
| 00:02.05 | peterS | jetscreamer: or just /etc/modules, you can have lines like "foo bar=1 baz=blurgh" |
| 00:02.30 | jetscreamer | ahh that will work then. so not in the alias one. |
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| 00:02.38 | dondelelcaro | meh, the procmail I use to deal with 90% of the lists is just three lines. |
| 00:02.38 | jetscreamer | or doesn't have to be |
| 00:02.41 | ncd2 | wow |
| 00:02.48 | le_neko | i keep have no succes with compile the mga_vid module |
| 00:02.48 | ncd2 | gota love chillispot |
| 00:02.52 | dabreegster | signius: Sort of. |
| 00:02.52 | peterS | jetscreamer: right, you *can* do this stuff in /etc/modprobe.d/, but the syntax is a bit more complex there |
| 00:02.53 | signius | why gnome use this ESD thing if its such a piece of shit ? |
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| 00:03.02 | jetscreamer | k thankee |
| 00:03.04 | cafuego | le_neko: 'module-assistant'. |
| 00:03.08 | le_neko | yes |
| 00:03.11 | dabreegster | signius: I've used it for my own purposes, but never with gnome |
| 00:03.13 | dondelelcaro | signius: it doesn't require esd; you can install it and use it if you want, though. |
| 00:03.14 | signius | dabreegster: Hi |
| 00:03.17 | le_neko | no success with that |
| 00:03.24 | phycho | hey guys |
| 00:03.25 | dabreegster | signius: Hey |
| 00:03.31 | phycho | ive got a major problem with this |
| 00:03.32 | le_neko | cafuego: have error while bvuilding |
| 00:03.41 | phycho | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.41 | phycho | E: Broken packages |
| 00:03.43 | phycho | any ideas? |
| 00:03.43 | phycho | ;/ |
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| 00:03.54 | phycho | tried to install build essential |
| 00:03.54 | signius | i have sound working for some stuff like totem but when i use kismet which uses play and festival i get nothing |
| 00:03.55 | cafuego | le_neko: Missing include? Unsupported kernel? |
| 00:03.57 | phycho | and got that error |
| 00:04.03 | phycho | libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.5-13) but 2.3.6-1 is to be installed |
| 00:04.03 | phycho | ;/ |
| 00:04.06 | dabreegster | signius: Odd |
| 00:04.08 | le_neko | syntax error about "dev_fshandle" stuff |
| 00:04.15 | phycho | i tried removing it, and it said i was gonna perform some harmful shit |
| 00:04.19 | azeem | phycho: did you upgrade libc6 to unstable manually? |
| 00:04.19 | signius | if i try and start esd from command line i get erros |
| 00:04.20 | peterS | phycho: somehow your libc6 and libc6-dev are coming from two different places. they should be coming from teh same place |
| 00:04.23 | cafuego | le_neko: Oh, the module uses devfs? OUCH! |
| 00:04.25 | abrotman | phyberoptix: apt-get update first ? |
| 00:04.33 | signius | SNDCTL_DSP_SETFMT: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 00:04.36 | le_neko | maybe |
| 00:04.38 | dabreegster | salto: Hmm. Maybe you should try unlocking esd to let anybody access the device. esdctl unlock # I think |
| 00:04.42 | cafuego | devfs is the devil |
| 00:04.46 | le_neko | suyre |
| 00:04.53 | cafuego | rm -rf the module source, then format the hdd and burn your computer |
| 00:04.53 | peterS | phycho: you can fix this by installing libc6 and libc6-dev explicitly, from the same place |
| 00:04.56 | phycho | peterS - any ideas how to fix? |
| 00:04.58 | phycho | k |
| 00:05.04 | le_neko | ahaha |
| 00:05.08 | phycho | same error |
| 00:05.12 | phycho | apt-get install libc6 libc6-dev |
| 00:05.15 | le_neko | i have none install devfs |
| 00:05.16 | dabreegster | signius: Never seen that, no clue, sorry |
| 00:05.21 | bsims | phycho: hrm apt-get install -f? |
| 00:05.25 | signius | ok |
| 00:05.27 | azeem | phycho: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 00:05.29 | peterS | phycho: so do you already have libc6 2.3.6-1? if so, I wonder why libc6-dev 2.3.6-1 isn't also available |
| 00:05.34 | phycho | sec |
| 00:05.35 | le_neko | i had in the past and no more sound eth0 etc.. |
| 00:05.41 | phycho | im using testing |
| 00:05.42 | cafuego | le_neko: Then I guess the module is just too old; not supported by your current kenrel. |
| 00:05.44 | phycho | stable did the same |
| 00:05.58 | azeem | phycho: why did you install libc6 from unstable? |
| 00:05.59 | azeem | and how? |
| 00:06.01 | phycho | ii libc6 2.3.6-1 |
| 00:06.06 | phycho | i didndt |
| 00:06.07 | azeem | !info libc6 testing |
| 00:06.09 | peterS | phycho: I'm guessing you have libc6 2.3.6-1 (from unstable) installed for some reason. if that's the case, you want to install libc6-dev also from unstable |
| 00:06.12 | phycho | it was screwed before i even installed it |
| 00:06.15 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4911 kB, Installed size: 16728 kB |
| 00:06.21 | abrotman | !prize azeem |
| 00:06.22 | le_neko | cafuego: okey i think i will abandon |
| 00:06.40 | peterS | phycho: yeah. your libc6 is from unstable. however this happened, you probably want to install libc6-dev from unstable to match it. |
| 00:06.43 | cafuego | Maybe he's got a non-official source which also ahppened to include libc6. |
| 00:06.52 | signius | ok im off for a bit |
| 00:06.52 | peterS | cafuego: oh, that's also possible |
| 00:06.57 | abrotman | that'd be a shocker! |
| 00:06.58 | rambo3 | Eulex nope md5 sum wasnt xorg problem |
| 00:07.05 | phycho | k ty guys |
| 00:07.05 | _rene_ | peterS: wrong. he want to install testings libc6 ;) |
| 00:07.13 | azeem | phycho: or try apt-get install libc6=2.3.5-13 |
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| 00:07.26 | phycho | didndt work azeem |
| 00:07.27 | cafuego | peterS: some people's custom repos are REALLY clever that way |
| 00:07.33 | peterS | _rene_: this may or may not work - he has the unstable libc6 there already, perhaps it was pulled in as a dependency of something else. best not to downgrade unless he knows why it's there |
| 00:07.49 | le_neko | it tells mga_vid is the dope for video, but for real, i don't know what exactly do this module |
| 00:07.49 | azeem | phycho: please report errors |
| 00:07.51 | abrotman | apt-cache policy libc6 ? |
| 00:07.56 | phycho | its a default install by some hosting co |
| 00:07.59 | azeem | phycho: "didn't work" doesn't help |
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| 00:08.01 | cafuego | phycho: Can you paste your sources.list on a pastebin somewhere? |
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| 00:08.04 | phycho | it was screwed up before i got my hand on it |
| 00:08.05 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:08.05 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 00:08.12 | rodrigo | hi |
| 00:08.19 | abrotman | or get a new hosting company :) |
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| 00:08.23 | levander | when you 'apt-get upgrade', and there's a kernel package in there that gets installed as the new kernel, after apt-get update is complete, are you now running the new kernel, or only next time you reboot? |
| 00:08.23 | NetGrunt | hi there |
| 00:08.24 | peterS | Mark`y Mark` is back |
| 00:08.34 | levander | I just ask because 'uname -a' is reporting the new kernel. |
| 00:08.35 | rodrigo | i'm getting "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" when I try to run configure |
| 00:08.38 | Eulex | rambo3, hmm. check the xorg.conf for fbdev or whatever it's called |
| 00:08.50 | peterS | !b-e rodrigo |
| 00:08.50 | dpkg | rodrigo: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 00:08.51 | abrotman | peterS: i'm holding out for New Kids on the Block |
| 00:09.19 | rodrigo | build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 00:09.30 | azeem | rodrigo: then check config.log |
| 00:09.52 | phycho | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1871 |
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| 00:09.58 | freeone3000 | postgresql-common depends on postgresql-client-7.4 |
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| 00:10.11 | freeone3000 | postgresql-client-7.4 depends on postgresql-common |
| 00:10.14 | freeone3000 | May I ask wtf? |
| 00:10.20 | bsims | freeone3000: Sid? |
| 00:10.48 | NetGrunt | I have a debian box (PIV 3.0 Ghz 1GB ram) and it has a 2.35 load average. When doing a "top" I can see that there aren't any high cpu-consuming processes. The ones that take most cpu time are sshd and top (obviously). How can I diagnose what is causing that 2.X load ? Theoretically that means there are more than 2 processes waiting for CPU time, but no one is using it. Is this correct ? Thanks in advance |
| 00:10.54 | bsims | if nothing else file a bugreport on it |
| 00:11.09 | Mark` | yea im back i was turning on dhcp =[ |
| 00:11.12 | freeone3000 | Nevermind, it's just that the postinstall returned a 1 exit status... |
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| 00:11.20 | Mark` | is installing pretty intuitive or will i need a guide? |
| 00:11.41 | bsims | guides help but it's mostly intuitive |
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| 00:11.59 | Mark` | well, i have a kvm |
| 00:12.09 | Mark` | time to get started :D |
| 00:12.12 | bsims | I hear it's gotten better... but well It is debian you only need install once |
| 00:12.23 | rodrigo | azeem: http://pastebin.com/563560 |
| 00:12.31 | Mark` | well i can do like.. 32mb /boot 512mb swap 20gb / 60gb /home correct? |
| 00:12.37 | Mark` | debian isnt picky about stuff like that i hope |
| 00:12.52 | dabreegster | Mark`: That looks OK |
| 00:12.56 | odla | what package provides apt-setup? |
| 00:13.01 | freeone3000 | How would i go back into the base install? |
| 00:13.05 | abrotman | phycho: those sources suck! |
| 00:13.09 | odla | i don't have apt-setup and i'm running testing |
| 00:13.10 | dabreegster | Mark`: Actually, 10GB is probably more than sufficent for /, maybe |
| 00:13.23 | phycho | abrotman - they work so *shrugs* |
| 00:13.44 | Mark` | yea but my brother saves porn in /tmp for some reason like a retard |
| 00:13.45 | azeem | rodrigo: what arch are you on? |
| 00:13.47 | Mark` | no idea why |
| 00:13.52 | rodrigo | amd64 |
| 00:13.55 | Mark` | he never realizes its gone the next day either |
| 00:14.03 | abrotman | phycho: if they work .. why can't you install libc6-dev ? |
| 00:14.07 | Mark` | kk downstairs i go |
| 00:14.13 | phycho | abrotman - because the two versions are screwed |
| 00:14.18 | phycho | its got nothing to do with my apt sources |
| 00:14.19 | dabreegster | Mark`: Force him to use the console and don't tell him about zgv. ASCII pron can't take up that much space. |
| 00:14.32 | azeem | rodrigo: can you compile other apps? |
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| 00:14.40 | rodrigo | I never tried any other |
| 00:14.51 | abrotman | phycho: right .. of course not .. your sources.list has nothing to do with it |
| 00:14.57 | azeem | rodrigo: I suggest you do, it might be wine who is acting up |
| 00:15.11 | rodrigo | ok |
| 00:15.16 | abrotman | ok .. fine .. |
| 00:15.23 | rodrigo | i'll search for some program to compile |
| 00:15.37 | azeem | phycho: why can't you downgrade libc6? |
| 00:15.46 | azeem | you didn't paste the error yet I think |
| 00:16.07 | phycho | azeem - i did |
| 00:16.21 | abrotman | i don't see an error |
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| 00:16.47 | phycho | <phycho> libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.5-13) but 2.3.6-1 is to be installed |
| 00:17.04 | abrotman | it appears someone manually installed your libc6 |
| 00:17.05 | azeem | 01:00 < azeem> phycho: or try apt-get install libc6=2.3.5-13 |
| 00:17.07 | cafuego | blllllloody spammers |
| 00:17.14 | phycho | i tried that |
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| 00:17.21 | syke | hi! |
| 00:17.25 | azeem | phycho: and what's the error? |
| 00:17.32 | phycho | it cant find it |
| 00:17.32 | azeem | the above? |
| 00:17.35 | syke | where can I find the 'startkde' file in debian's kde 3.3.x packages? |
| 00:17.36 | phycho | yep |
| 00:17.38 | cafuego | Some dickhead is trying to submit foo@bar.org\nbcc: foo2,foo3webmail |
| 00:17.47 | phycho | ill just change system back to unstable |
| 00:17.48 | phycho | *shrugs* |
| 00:17.54 | azeem | phycho: so do apt-get install libc6=2.3.5-13 libc6-dev=2.3.5-13 |
| 00:17.59 | rodrigo | how do I switch between xdm and gdm? |
| 00:17.59 | Dewi | phycho: um... so it was unstable before? what's it now? |
| 00:18.01 | phycho | cant be bothered messing about with it |
| 00:18.04 | phycho | its testing now |
| 00:18.11 | Dewi | phycho: and you think that's not a sources problem? |
| 00:18.12 | azeem | eh |
| 00:18.14 | phycho | its actually got part of all 3 |
| 00:18.15 | phycho | ;/ |
| 00:18.16 | azeem | phycho: "back to untable"? |
| 00:18.17 | Dewi | phycho: sure looks like one |
| 00:18.19 | phycho | due to whoever did it before |
| 00:18.26 | phycho | it had unstable gcc etc |
| 00:18.28 | Dewi | phycho: unstable -> testing is not recommended by anyone |
| 00:18.29 | phycho | stable os |
| 00:18.33 | phycho | and testing |
| 00:18.42 | azeem | phycho: so I suggest you talk to whoever set it up for you |
| 00:18.47 | phycho | heh yeah |
| 00:18.51 | phycho | im actually trying to fix it for someone else |
| 00:18.56 | phycho | the noc set it up ;/ |
| 00:19.00 | Dewi | phycho: particularly if you consider a dependancy notification to be an "error" |
| 00:19.08 | Sonny | ot- which color of background and font color is the best to care our eyes? |
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| 00:19.22 | phycho | dewi - i do when it doesnt let you remove it without trying to remove a million other things (aka half the os) |
| 00:19.40 | azeem | phycho: you haven't posted any such error |
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| 00:19.48 | Dewi | phycho: that is a well-known effect of proceeding to unstable and back |
| 00:19.53 | azeem | phycho: did you try apt-get remove libc6 or something? |
| 00:19.58 | phycho | yep |
| 00:20.02 | azeem | oh well |
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| 00:20.23 | Nopalin | ey |
| 00:20.36 | Nopalin | what soft i need to install vmware? |
| 00:20.44 | Nopalin | what binary exactly |
| 00:20.44 | azeem | Nopalin: vmware |
| 00:21.00 | Nopalin | there is a debian package to install vmware? |
| 00:21.07 | azeem | no, I don't think so |
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| 00:21.20 | Nopalin | well i go to vmware.com to donwload it |
| 00:21.34 | Nopalin | but there are many packages |
| 00:21.50 | Nopalin | i dont know what i need to download exactly |
| 00:21.56 | jack_c | what is the best way to backup a hole system, so the recovery could be fast ? |
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| 00:22.03 | cafuego | Nopalin: No, you just need to get the tarball and install via the script; it comes with an uninstaller as well. |
| 00:22.17 | cafuego | Nopalin: Are you after the player or the server? |
| 00:22.37 | odla | what's a nice lightweight wireless monitor? |
| 00:22.47 | Nopalin | cafuego: dont know, i need to install the server? |
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| 00:22.58 | cafuego | Nopalin: Depends on what you plan to do. |
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| 00:23.09 | Nopalin | i want emulate win machins |
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| 00:23.14 | cafuego | Nopalin: Really? |
| 00:23.15 | snaund | my main applications menu in gnome craps out with: "(gnome-panel:1791): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_drag_source_set_icon_name: assertion `icon_name != NULL' failed" - any ideas? |
| 00:23.18 | dabreegster | Nopalin: wine |
| 00:23.21 | Nopalin | yes |
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| 00:23.34 | Nopalin | because the bank doesnt accept firefox |
| 00:23.37 | cafuego | Nopalin: You'll probably want vmware workstation, which is _not_ free. |
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| 00:23.55 | cafuego | Also, switch banks. Really. And tell them why you switched. |
| 00:23.56 | Nopalin | maybe, i dont know, im very noob |
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| 00:24.23 | Nopalin | vmware server is for? |
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| 00:24.45 | LinuxNIT | ok so i was running kernel 2.6.12 and i needed to recompile so i did using linux-source-2.6.15 since there isnt one for .12. do i have to distupgrade or can i link the modules for the 2.6.12 to the moduels folder for 2.6.15? |
| 00:24.50 | cafuego | Nopalin: vmware server is for running multiple VMs on a networked box; you can then use the vmware console to connect to those VMs. |
| 00:24.56 | pem3v78 | is it a good idea to keep "local time reference" on ntp server ? |
| 00:25.17 | cafuego | LinuxNIT: You cannot use modules for mismatched kenrel versions/ |
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| 00:25.26 | LinuxNIT | k |
| 00:25.43 | LinuxNIT | why isnt there a linux-source for 2.6.12? |
| 00:25.59 | cafuego | LinuxNIT: There probably is. You on Etch? |
| 00:26.00 | Nopalin | cafuego: thanks, may be i need vmware workstation |
| 00:26.04 | LinuxNIT | yeah |
| 00:26.22 | cafuego | LinuxNIT: 'apt-cache search kernel-source' |
| 00:26.30 | LinuxNIT | i didnt see it |
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| 00:26.42 | cafuego | Nopalin: For workstation you will need a credit card, it's not free (like the player). |
| 00:26.45 | ncd2 | lol |
| 00:26.45 | LinuxNIT | ill reboot and tray again |
| 00:26.50 | LinuxNIT | brb |
| 00:26.54 | cafuego | Nopalin: With the player you cannot set up new VMs though. |
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| 00:27.01 | Nopalin | cafuego: its free 30 days |
| 00:27.03 | ncd2 | lets see if cedega can be entrusted to install call of duty 1 |
| 00:27.06 | ncd2 | arrhg |
| 00:27.08 | cafuego | Nopalin: if all you need is IE; I'd try wine first. |
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| 00:27.19 | Nopalin | i want google eath too |
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| 00:27.30 | cafuego | Or maybe Opera, after settin it up to tell the bank it's IE. |
| 00:27.38 | Nopalin | cafuego: google earth is not working on wine, i tested it |
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| 00:27.53 | \amethyst | You can have firefox tell the bank it's IE, too |
| 00:28.17 | cafuego | google earth needs decent gfx performance. Neither wine nor vmware is going to provide that. Just weait until google release a Linux version. |
| 00:29.05 | abrotman | do eet! |
| 00:29.06 | Nopalin | cafuego: that sounds very difficult for me |
| 00:29.46 | cafuego | or ask your bank for a windows licence. |
| 00:29.52 | cafuego | seeing as they demand you use it |
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| 00:30.20 | rambo3 | i have bootsplash now , had to add Option "UseFBDev" "false" to xorg.conf . |
| 00:30.23 | Nopalin | cafuego: jejej i demand they for use ie only |
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| 00:30.42 | ncd2 | ha |
| 00:30.48 | ncd2 | first ever game ive seen it work on |
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| 00:30.56 | ncd2 | well it installs .. |
| 00:30.58 | Nopalin | cafuego: well i would want vmware for run google eath, but you say that it is imnpossible at the moment, so i will use wine |
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| 00:31.27 | Nopalin | cafuego: thanks you very much |
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| 00:31.36 | cafuego | Nopalin: Not necessarily impossible, it will just be EXTREMELY slow. |
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| 00:32.45 | Nopalin | cafuego: i think i will wait linux version for |
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| 00:33.12 | Nopalin | cafuego: another day i installed cedega for gaming, but is not run very well |
| 00:33.15 | Nopalin | jeje |
| 00:33.16 | Nopalin | ok |
| 00:33.21 | Nopalin | thank you man |
| 00:33.25 | Nopalin | byytes |
| 00:33.25 | Dewi | anyone know what package 'dig' is in? |
| 00:33.38 | BLAFD | ive herd the latest cedega runs *.legit games good |
| 00:33.44 | BLAFD | except for call of duty 2 |
| 00:34.12 | Goat25 | Dewi: dnsutils |
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| 00:34.36 | LinuxNIT | apt-cache search does not reaveal a kernel-source-2.6.12 http://pastebin.com/563593 |
| 00:34.50 | cafuego | Dewi: dnsutils |
| 00:34.51 | _rene_ | of course not. exchanged by later ones (.15) |
| 00:35.00 | foo | Dewi: dnsutils |
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| 00:35.20 | Dewi | thxx |
| 00:35.27 | LinuxNIT | nor do i get a linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 00:35.32 | chriscx | hi...anyone using gdesklets on etch? dist-upgrade recently? |
| 00:36.05 | LinuxNIT | cafuego, did you see my pastebin? |
| 00:36.11 | _rene_ | LinuxNIT: of course not. |
| 00:36.11 | cafuego | LinuxNIT: No, I didn't. |
| 00:36.22 | _rene_ | LinuxNIT: already did tell you why |
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| 00:36.40 | LinuxNIT | oh ok |
| 00:36.41 | quik_ | thanks abrotman |
| 00:36.50 | abrotman | hi |
| 00:36.58 | LinuxNIT | so i have to distupgrade if im goin to recopile my kernel? |
| 00:37.03 | rambo3 | uname -r : 2.6.15.686-splash-smp |
| 00:37.25 | LinuxNIT | _rene_, so i have to distupgrade if im goin to recopile my kernel? |
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| 00:37.50 | rambo3 | no just download source from where you got kernel |
| 00:37.58 | rambo3 | with apt |
| 00:38.11 | LinuxNIT | w/e |
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| 00:38.24 | unix_infidel | anyone here using hdparm and noticing a significant difference in their disk speeds? |
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| 00:38.56 | Coweater | which disk speeds? |
| 00:39.13 | unix_infidel | read, write.....etc. |
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| 00:47.01 | odla | does anyone know if anyone is planning on packaging sea monkey |
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| 00:48.36 | BLAFD | i should mention this in cedega but since there 700 of you |
| 00:48.54 | BLAFD | Cedega is as a peace of software is a damn insult |
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| 00:49.08 | BLAFD | it cant even install call of duty 1 with out a pain in the arse |
| 00:49.13 | foo | I have an AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2100+ processor. What kernel should I have? I currenty have for testing? kernel-image-2.6-686 ? kernel-image-2.6-k7 ? |
| 00:49.24 | BLAFD | it should of been sold, published, or even mentioned for atleast 10 years |
| 00:49.34 | BLAFD | cause thats what its gona take to get a polished emulation |
| 00:49.36 | Eulex | odla, checked the rfps and itps? |
| 00:50.15 | \amethyst | Who was wondering about google earth under wine |
| 00:50.16 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 00:50.26 | Eulex | BLAFD, did you know that wine has been iirc in development for 12-13 years. cedega is based on it. |
| 00:51.12 | BLAFD | damn |
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| 00:51.26 | Sir_Villeta | hi |
| 00:51.36 | Eulex | BLAFD, "The first beta version of Wine, version 0.9, was released on October 25, 2005 after 12 years of development." |
| 00:51.37 | BLAFD | windows is some eratic peace of engineers |
| 00:51.41 | BLAFD | er engineering |
| 00:51.46 | jetscreamer | you KNOW you're old when you have 2 grand and can't AFFORD a new computer or even some parts :( |
| 00:51.46 | dondelelcaro | odla: of anyone is, there should be an ITP filed against the wnpp pseudo package. |
| 00:51.54 | BLAFD | so i do feel for the developers of cedega |
| 00:52.00 | Sir_Villeta | somebody can helpme to execute debootstrap on amd64? |
| 00:52.16 | dondelelcaro | Sir_Villeta: just ask your question |
| 00:52.20 | Sir_Villeta | ok |
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| 00:52.52 | Sir_Villeta | i execute debootstrap and then occur this |
| 00:52.53 | Sir_Villeta | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/debinst mount -t proc proc /proc |
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| 00:53.05 | BLAFD | well i must sleep |
| 00:53.07 | BLAFD | nite all |
| 00:53.29 | jetscreamer | sleep when you're dead |
| 00:53.35 | dondelelcaro | Sir_Villeta: you're root right? you're running linux, irght? |
| 00:53.44 | Sir_Villeta | yes |
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| 00:53.56 | dondelelcaro | Sir_Villeta: what happens when you try to run that command manually? |
| 00:54.43 | Sir_Villeta | mount: mount point /proc does not exist |
| 00:55.12 | Sir_Villeta | mkdir /mnt/debinst/proc? |
| 00:55.13 | dondelelcaro | Sir_Villeta: hrm... that's really strange; debootstrap should have created /mnt/debsinst/proc |
| 00:55.22 | dondelelcaro | Sir_Villeta: try using cdebootstrap instead |
| 00:55.45 | Sir_Villeta | to execute mnt i must make this: |
| 00:55.54 | dvm1981 | I just find out that 'paramiko' is not in stable. Correct ? |
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| 00:56.19 | Sir_Villeta | copy mount from my system to chroot and copy all dll libraries of mount |
| 00:56.57 | Sir_Villeta | dll, no ldd XD |
| 00:57.10 | Sir_Villeta | ldd mount libraries |
| 00:57.28 | dvm1981 | So i need to install 'paramiko' manually in Stable ? |
| 00:58.03 | insidius | What does example@example.com loops back to myself mean?? |
| 00:58.03 | dondelelcaro | dvm1981: get a backport of it |
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| 00:58.20 | dvm1981 | I have an additional line for marillat, or not the same thing ? |
| 00:58.33 | dondelelcaro | Sir_Villeta: are you running Debian on the machine that you're deboostraping? |
| 00:59.02 | Azar | o/t news: Why did SCO depose Intel? http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29773 |
| 00:59.08 | dondelelcaro | dvm1981: not the same thing... |
| 00:59.36 | Sir_Villeta | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 00:59.38 | dvm1981 | dondelelcaro: Ok, That say me a little bit, i must know more about it, google to 'backport' :-) |
| 00:59.41 | Mark` | hrm |
| 00:59.45 | EvertC | quit |
| 00:59.46 | Mark` | i cant make debian see the full size of this disk |
| 00:59.50 | Mark` | in the installer |
| 00:59.56 | dondelelcaro | dvm1981: try backports.org; they probably already havea it |
| 01:00.05 | Mark` | its jumpered to show 33gb to the bios, but every other distribution can see the full 80 |
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| 01:00.17 | Mark` | the kernel even reports that its detected the host protected area |
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| 01:00.25 | dondelelcaro | Mark`: are you using the 2.6 kernel? which part of the installer is only seeing the 33G? |
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| 01:00.51 | dvm1981 | dondelelcaro: HHhmm, it's for debian :-) i read the info there |
| 01:00.54 | bancus | Does anyone know what /dev entry a usb drive is given while installing? |
| 01:01.07 | cafuego | bancus: sd? |
| 01:01.13 | bancus | cafuego: doesn't exist |
| 01:01.18 | Mark` | the partitioner |
| 01:01.19 | cafuego | bancus: (as in sd plus a character) |
| 01:01.21 | Mark` | but fdisk also wont see it |
| 01:01.23 | nvz | while installing there likely would not be drivers for a usb drive |
| 01:01.24 | bancus | it has a really weird structure |
| 01:01.26 | cafuego | bancus: /dev/scsi/... |
| 01:01.27 | Mark` | and ive tried both linux and linux26 |
| 01:01.31 | cafuego | bancus: See also /dev/disks/ |
| 01:01.31 | bancus | cafuego: nothing in there |
| 01:01.38 | bancus | /dev/disks only lists my HDs |
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| 01:01.52 | cafuego | bancus: Is 'usb-storage' loaded? |
| 01:01.59 | bancus | dmesg shows the kernel finding the usb disk and the scsi system opening for it |
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| 01:02.02 | bancus | dunno, let me go check |
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| 01:02.09 | fas3r | hi all |
| 01:02.13 | cafuego | It would be if dmesg shows that... |
| 01:02.17 | cafuego | is 'sd' loaded ok? |
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| 01:02.27 | Mark` | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/12/msg00556.html |
| 01:02.27 | Mark` | aha |
| 01:02.31 | Mark` | <3 solutions |
| 01:02.36 | fas3r | anybody know what distrib whax is based ? (if it's debian,suse,...) |
| 01:02.45 | \amethyst | bancus: if you're using udev, try /dev/disk/by-id |
| 01:03.01 | derek5432 | hello,i am having trouble with my ati mach64 pci in xorg,any thing above 640x480 resolution turns my screen off.Anyonw know of a solution |
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| 01:03.06 | nvz | fas3r: never heard of it, thats off-topic here. |
| 01:03.10 | dvm1981 | dondelelcaro: Thanks man, the info you give is great :-) |
| 01:03.16 | cafuego | udev ough to still create a /dev/sd? though |
| 01:03.24 | bancus | cafuego: no usb-storage |
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| 01:03.29 | dvm1981 | dondelelcaro: It's look easy to do |
| 01:03.31 | bancus | does the installer use udev? |
| 01:03.34 | cafuego | bancus: Load it, see what happens |
| 01:03.46 | bancus | cafuego: er, I ment to say, "no, usb-storage is loaded" |
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| 01:03.51 | cafuego | Ah ok :-) |
| 01:03.53 | bancus | :P |
| 01:03.55 | cafuego | How about 'sd' ? |
| 01:03.59 | \amethyst | bancus: do you have /dev/disk/by-id directory? |
| 01:03.59 | bancus | just sec |
| 01:04.02 | bancus | (it's in another room) |
| 01:04.10 | bancus | \amethyst: I do, but it only lists disk0 through disk2 |
| 01:04.13 | bancus | which are my HDs |
| 01:04.14 | \amethyst | hm |
| 01:04.24 | sm00f | could someone recommend a gui text editor for x |
| 01:04.31 | derek5432 | xemacs |
| 01:04.32 | cafuego | sm00f: cream |
| 01:04.36 | dagbrown | gvim |
| 01:04.36 | \amethyst | bancus: what does lsusb say for it |
| 01:04.41 | \amethyst | sm00f: xemacs or gvim |
| 01:04.46 | \amethyst | or gnu emacs |
| 01:04.46 | sm00f | ty |
| 01:04.49 | \amethyst | anything else is evil |
| 01:04.50 | \amethyst | :P |
| 01:04.53 | nvz | sm00f: gedit (GTK/GNOME), kate (QT/KDE) |
| 01:04.55 | bancus | cafuego: no 'sd' module |
| 01:05.09 | bancus | damn I wish this box had ssh open already |
| 01:05.09 | cafuego | bancus: Okay, load 'sd' |
| 01:05.13 | dagbrown | kdevelop! |
| 01:05.14 | bancus | these stairs are killing me |
| 01:05.15 | sm00f | nvz, ty |
| 01:05.18 | bancus | cafuego: no, I mean, it doesn't exist |
| 01:05.22 | bancus | modprobe sd |
| 01:05.23 | cafuego | bancus: Hmm. |
| 01:05.25 | bancus | no such module 'sd' |
| 01:05.28 | \amethyst | bancus: sd_mod |
| 01:05.33 | bancus | I should note that this is the amd64 netinst installer |
| 01:05.35 | cafuego | bancus: Unplug drive, plug back in.. see what happens in dmesg |
| 01:05.46 | bancus | dunno if that changes anything |
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| 01:05.54 | sm00f | could someone recommend a file manager (browser)? |
| 01:05.58 | cafuego | bancus: Well, it ought not change anything |
| 01:06.04 | derek5432 | rox-filer or xfe |
| 01:06.05 | \amethyst | sm00f: do you use Gnome or KDE? |
| 01:06.12 | sm00f | \amethyst, enlightenment |
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| 01:06.14 | \amethyst | sm00f: (or neither) |
| 01:06.15 | Edgardoweb | http://unplug.org.ve:8000/radiotron |
| 01:06.31 | cafuego | Edgardoweb: Thank you for spamming. Please come again. |
| 01:06.31 | \amethyst | sm00f: xterm -e mv |
| 01:06.31 | \amethyst | sm00f: xterm -e mc |
| 01:06.31 | drac | Edgardoweb: Stop spamming.. |
| 01:06.36 | nvz | sm00f: konqueror, nautilus, xffm, gentoo, rox filer |
| 01:06.52 | nvz | sm00f: if you are looking for lightweight I would start from the right |
| 01:06.59 | cafuego | nvz: 'bash' and 'fileutils'. |
| 01:07.02 | sm00f | nvz, ok thx |
| 01:07.05 | drac | xffm.. that horror, thunar! |
| 01:07.10 | nvz | cafuego: he waned something graphical |
| 01:07.22 | cafuego | nvz: bash in rxvt *is* graphical! |
| 01:07.25 | nvz | yeah xffm is gross, but rox is decent |
| 01:07.36 | derek5432 | rox filer is great |
| 01:07.52 | nvz | cafuego: yeah well he doesnt want to type he wants to clicky clicky |
| 01:07.56 | Edgardoweb | no |
| 01:07.58 | bancus | okay |
| 01:08.00 | \amethyst | fileman.exe |
| 01:08.05 | bancus | loading sd_mod brought up a /dev/scsi entry |
| 01:08.22 | Edgardoweb | es una radio |
| 01:08.36 | \amethyst | bancus: anything else in /dev/disk/by-id |
| 01:08.43 | \amethyst | nvz: bah, Norton Disk Doctor forever! |
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| 01:08.48 | bancus | \amethyst: dunno, checking |
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| 01:08.58 | nvz | you've got more than bad clusters if you like nortan |
| 01:09.21 | \amethyst | Over scandisk.exe, yes :) |
| 01:09.49 | sm00f | nvz, do any support smbclient? |
| 01:09.54 | bancus | \amethyst: okay, got it mounted |
| 01:09.58 | \amethyst | bancus: cool |
| 01:09.59 | bancus | sd_mod was what I needed |
| 01:10.04 | nvz | sm00f: I know that nautilus works well as a samba client |
| 01:10.05 | bancus | then to remember mount -t vfat |
| 01:10.11 | sm00f | cool |
| 01:10.12 | bancus | thanks \amethyst, cafuego |
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| 01:10.34 | nvz | sm00f: I cant say one way or the other for the rest.. I've only slightly used Rox or Konqueror, and I've never used gentoo, the distro or the filemanager |
| 01:10.39 | \amethyst | bancus: I try to use links in /dev/disks/by-id/ or /dev/disks/by-label/ in /etc/fstab |
| 01:10.42 | nvz | and xffm just sucks |
| 01:10.52 | sm00f | good to know |
| 01:10.53 | bancus | \amethyst: I'm totally not used to this structure at all |
| 01:10.54 | dvm1981 | On the web http://backports.org/instructions.html i read there that i must add a thing in the file '/etc/apt/preferences'. But i have not that file. |
| 01:10.58 | \amethyst | bancus: that way it doesn't matter how I rearrange the disks, it still mounts properly |
| 01:11.03 | bancus | been a while since I used debian proper |
| 01:11.08 | Edgardoweb | nvz |
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| 01:11.11 | derek5432 | i cant get higher then 640x480 resolution with my ati mach64 in xorg,anyone know whats up? |
| 01:11.13 | dvm1981 | Is that normal ? |
| 01:11.18 | sm00f | i use bash most of the time, occasionally i will need to access smb shares for maintenence |
| 01:11.20 | nvz | Edgardoweb: tu madre |
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| 01:11.52 | nvz | or would that be su madre |
| 01:12.13 | nvz | I never thought about how to say "yo momma" when I was learning spanish |
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| 01:12.32 | sandman | Yes indeed, debian etch rocks already. |
| 01:12.36 | nvz | I learned other insults though |
| 01:12.44 | derek5432 | puto? |
| 01:12.44 | \amethyst | dvm1981: man apt_preferences, it's normal for it not to exist |
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| 01:13.31 | sandman | So what exactly is one supposed to do in order to only get security updates, once one is satisfied with the condition of their current system? |
| 01:13.31 | \amethyst | nvz: there was a movie out a few years ago, Y Tu Mamá También |
| 01:13.33 | Edgardoweb | nvz la tuya |
| 01:13.37 | nvz | like this store we got in sewickley.. its a womans clothing store called "chicos" I think they should call it "Maricone`s" |
| 01:13.38 | dvm1981 | \amethyst: That one i have ;-) i read it and let it know if i trouble more |
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| 01:13.41 | sandman | Just remove all lines in sources.list except for the security line? |
| 01:13.51 | dvm1981 | \amethyst: Thanks |
| 01:13.51 | nvz | why would you call a womans clothing store "Boys" |
| 01:14.02 | bancus | hm |
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| 01:14.05 | bancus | does the installer not have hotplug? |
| 01:14.11 | sandman | From what I read, neither of the security repositories are fully operational yet. That is, those mentioned by dpkg. |
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| 01:14.23 | Azar | hahahaha do.not.mess.with.Intel |
| 01:14.34 | sandman | They're only doing a security audit of the current system or some such; no security updates are being made yet. |
| 01:15.13 | derek5432 | i cant get higher then 640x480 resolution with my ati mach64 in xorg,anyone know why? |
| 01:15.49 | orlon_ | derek5432: have a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:15.53 | cafuego | nvz: Coz it's what women want? |
| 01:16.07 | derek5432 | when i set it to a higher resolution the screen turns off |
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| 01:17.04 | \amethyst | derek5432: turns off completely, goes into standby, or just goes black? |
| 01:17.04 | sandman | How can I keep teh GNOME main menu from scrolling? That is, from having scrollbars.. |
| 01:17.18 | derek5432 | it turns off completly,like it goes to sleep |
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| 01:17.23 | \amethyst | sandman: it doesn't like being placed near the bototm of the screen |
| 01:17.23 | nvz | cafuego: women take to Maricones |
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| 01:17.40 | sandman | \amethyst: Just a bug? |
| 01:17.41 | YogSothoth | Hi |
| 01:17.43 | \amethyst | sandman: if scrolling horizontally, that is |
| 01:17.51 | sandman | \amethyst: No, vertically. |
| 01:17.53 | YogSothoth | I'm in love with my Ubuntu laptop and I'm wondering if I will switch to Ubuntu Server instead of Debian for my next web server. I know this not a question to ask, but maybe someone had the experience of running both as web server so: what is best? |
| 01:17.54 | orlon_ | anyone know how to build just one kernel-image pkg from the new single source kernel tree |
| 01:18.03 | \amethyst | sandman: wait, horizontal or vertical panel? |
| 01:18.05 | nvz | I cant remember how to say little boy in spanish.. well I remember how to say it I dont remember how its spelled |
| 01:18.10 | ootput | hi guys, with firefox, is there a way to change the size of the font for the menus/dialogs? |
| 01:18.14 | cafuego | nvz: Do you have 15 years of experienc in advertising to back up that claim? |
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| 01:18.43 | derek5432 | another thing is I cant change the gamma. |
| 01:19.01 | nvz | cafuego: no, but I know that women like gay men.. |
| 01:19.18 | sandman | YogSothoth: I consider Ubuntu to be roughly equivelant to the crusty buildup that sometimes accumulates in the corner of my eye when I sleep at night. I hope that answers your question. |
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| 01:19.36 | cafuego | nvz: Only fag-hags, not all. |
| 01:19.51 | cafuego | nvz: For instance, the australian prime minister's wife |
| 01:19.53 | dvm1981 | I would like to install the man page in Dutch (nl) (knowing how to... but), currently the system are in English. Some times i would like to read the manual in Dutch. Some suggestions ? And points where i must look to ? |
| 01:19.55 | AR | Hmm.. After upgrade debian Srge to etch , don't work anjuta package ... |
| 01:20.00 | nvz | cafuego: heh |
| 01:20.02 | \amethyst | sandman: is the panel (where the menu is located) vertical or horizontal? |
| 01:20.13 | sandman | \amethyst: The panel is horizontal. |
| 01:20.16 | \amethyst | sandman: I'm trying to figure out if this is the same problem I've had |
| 01:20.25 | sandman | the GNOME main menu button is @ the lower-left portion of the screen. |
| 01:20.41 | janez | hi |
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| 01:20.48 | nvz | janez: little bit |
| 01:20.53 | nvz | janez: whats up? |
| 01:20.55 | janez | how i can use the command sleep? i dont understand the man |
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| 01:21.01 | \amethyst | sandman: hm, I don't have a problem when it's arranged like that |
| 01:21.06 | janez | sleep 1h mpg123 asfasf.mp3?? |
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| 01:21.11 | \amethyst | janez: sleep 2m |
| 01:21.12 | nvz | the manpage is easy do understand |
| 01:21.14 | janez | how is the correct sintaxsis? |
| 01:21.27 | nvz | janez: try sanduhr |
| 01:21.30 | orlon_ | janez: try this 'sleep 1h ; mpg123 asfasf.mp3' |
| 01:21.34 | dvm1981 | janez: sleep 5 |
| 01:21.38 | nvz | janez: probably a lot better for what you want to do. |
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| 01:21.53 | sandman | \amethyst: Word. |
| 01:21.56 | \amethyst | janez: sleep N sleeps for N seconds, or you can say Nm or Nh for minutes or hours |
| 01:22.08 | nvz | orlon_: and should that get killed or something, then it will go on to the next command prematurly |
| 01:22.14 | janez | thx |
| 01:22.17 | janez | is the ";" |
| 01:22.20 | janez | thx.. |
| 01:22.27 | orlon_ | nvz: true but the command janez would not have worked |
| 01:22.28 | \amethyst | sandman: I notice problems when it's on a vertical panel near the bottom of the screen |
| 01:22.31 | nvz | sanduhr is a nice little program |
| 01:22.36 | YogSothoth | sandman, I see what you mean but that don't really answer my question because you forgot to explain why you consider it like this :) |
| 01:23.08 | nvz | its a graphical sand hour glass with graphical configuration of alarms, colors, commands..etc |
| 01:23.09 | orlon_ | nvz: i actually tend to use 'at' to schedule music |
| 01:23.22 | nvz | its real easy to use for a timer or alarm clock |
| 01:23.25 | \amethyst | I used to use at as my alarm clock |
| 01:24.03 | orlon_ | nvz: anything that could kill the sleep command would be just as likely to kill sandhur |
| 01:24.05 | Azar | <j1> gnome users are bitches.... discuss.. |
| 01:24.50 | orlon_ | anyone here familiar with the new linux kernel source package? |
| 01:25.11 | orlon_ | i'm trying to build a single image rather than the 20 or so that dpkg-buildpackage now makes |
| 01:25.18 | Azar | umm never heard of it ..yet I read all news around |
| 01:25.40 | \amethyst | orlon_: why not just use kernel-package? |
| 01:25.54 | orlon_ | Azar: sorry, meant the new debian linux-kernel source pkg |
| 01:25.58 | bancus | where do you put firmware to be loaded while installing? |
| 01:26.00 | dvm1981 | The man pages in Dutch are installe. How can i read it without change it for life ? |
| 01:26.15 | dvm1981 | s/installe/installed |
| 01:26.15 | orlon_ | \amethyst: i think it barfed...i'll have to check |
| 01:26.24 | nvz | orlon_: thats not the point.. the point is you could have used syntax that assured sleep completed successfully |
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| 01:26.50 | Azar | ah |
| 01:26.51 | nvz | orlon_: if sanduhr died, I would not be hearing my music early |
| 01:27.01 | Azar | hmm whatever means ssh "dictionary" attacks? |
| 01:27.06 | nvz | orlon_: I would not hear it at all unless there were a session manager to restart it |
| 01:27.07 | dvm1981 | So that the man page rest in the English language. Is there a trick to read it in Dutch ? |
| 01:27.11 | orlon_ | nvz: so you mean, sleep 1h && mpg123 etc etc |
| 01:27.12 | \amethyst | dvm1981: try LANG=nl man something |
| 01:27.20 | nvz | orlon_: yeah that is what I was thinking of |
| 01:27.20 | \amethyst | dvm1981: or is your LANG already set to nl? |
| 01:27.31 | \amethyst | Azar: trying passwords out of a dictionary |
| 01:27.32 | orlon_ | nvz: so why not say that? |
| 01:27.38 | \amethyst | Azar: often the whole dictionary :) |
| 01:27.39 | bbrazil | Azar: brute force user+password attempts via ssh |
| 01:27.43 | nvz | orlon_: :P |
| 01:27.43 | dondelelcaro | Azar: to block them, considering installing fail2ban |
| 01:27.44 | orlon_ | nvz: the idea is to help ppl out ;) |
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| 01:27.52 | dvm1981 | \amethyst: No it's current English, and would leave this so, but some times i would like to read it in Dutch |
| 01:27.54 | tiimecop | lol, does debian support 39320 w/HostRaid? |
| 01:28.05 | Azar | cool I just got a HOWTO for DenyHosts, I assume Sarge installs DenyHosts already, right? |
| 01:28.13 | tiimecop | lol deny hosts. is this 1989 or something? |
| 01:28.19 | nvz | orlon_: I thought suggesting a graphical point and clicky app that was designed for users who dont understand sleep was helping out :p |
| 01:28.19 | \amethyst | dvm1981: then try setting the value of LANG for that command: LANG=nl man rpc |
| 01:28.20 | tiimecop | tcp wrappers are deader than bsd |
| 01:28.22 | Azar | dondelecaro, I used fail2ban in Sarge, it does not do its job |
| 01:28.39 | dvm1981 | \amethyst: So these that you suggest not modify my config and leave it default in english ? |
| 01:28.47 | Azar | I set it at 5 max attempts but it did not do the work |
| 01:28.54 | dvm1981 | \amethyst: Is only for this session ? |
| 01:28.54 | tiimecop | req: status of debian GNU/LUNIX support for ADAPTEC ASC-39320(B) U32 w/HostRAID |
| 01:29.11 | \amethyst | dvm1981: what I suggested will change it for only one command. |
| 01:29.15 | jetscreamer | answer: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 01:29.15 | Azar | got me some fun: http://www.howtoforge.com/preventing_ssh_dictionary_attacks_with_denyhosts |
| 01:29.25 | \amethyst | dvm1981: to change it for your entire shell session, export LANG=nl |
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| 01:29.34 | skon | cafuego: Mrs Johny a fag - hag? - that cracked me right up |
| 01:29.54 | tiimecop | req: status of debian GNU/LUNIX support for ADAPTEC ASC-39320(B) U32 w/HostRAID |
| 01:29.56 | dvm1981 | \amethyst: hhmm, nice, I note it down and not use the export then :-) |
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| 01:30.05 | asg | !tell tiimecop about repeat |
| 01:30.10 | Azar | hmm what is the difference: run by cron or run as a daemon? |
| 01:30.16 | skon | guess it would explain alot of things |
| 01:30.19 | \amethyst | dvm1981: to change the default for your system, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:30.19 | tiimecop | asg, stop being a wiseass and unless you have an answer, dont bother spamming me |
| 01:30.27 | asg | tiimecop: stop spamming the channel |
| 01:30.41 | tiimecop | orly |
| 01:30.47 | uji_coba | helo |
| 01:30.48 | nvz | Azar: given 0 context in that question I would guess that one is run by cron and the other is always running as a daemon |
| 01:30.56 | uji_coba | is there anyone from Indonesia? |
| 01:31.00 | tiimecop | yes |
| 01:31.07 | uji_coba | is there anyone from Indonesia? |
| 01:31.07 | tiimecop | you |
| 01:31.10 | jetscreamer | hey timecop i saw your movie you rock jean-claude |
| 01:31.16 | nvz | Azar: its apperently something that polls and it can either do it reguarly in the background on its own or via cron scheduler |
| 01:31.31 | dvm1981 | \amethyst: Voila, a have copy and paste this informations :-) Really thanks man |
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| 01:31.39 | Azar | nvz to quote: "DenyHosts can be run by cron or as a daemon. In this tutorial I will run DenyHosts as a daemon." |
| 01:31.50 | jetscreamer | i'd go with ma'am if it was me, not man |
| 01:31.55 | jetscreamer | but i'm guessing |
| 01:32.02 | nvz | no idea what you are talking about there. |
| 01:32.18 | uji_coba | where is Indonesian channel? |
| 01:32.23 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 01:32.23 | tiimecop | #fuckoff |
| 01:32.25 | nvz | heh |
| 01:32.26 | uji_coba | do you know it? |
| 01:32.31 | jetscreamer | !india |
| 01:32.31 | dpkg | india is, like, a shit place where you can only get slackware, or paradise on earth, or http://linuxinindia.pitas.com |
| 01:32.37 | bluefox83 | whats withthe borked packages in apt? i can't get kde or gnome to install completely :( |
| 01:32.39 | \amethyst | dvm1981: for man specifically, you might want to try man -L nl foo |
| 01:32.39 | Azar | sigh, nvz I am reading a tutorial it is ok I will go with whatever, I was just wanting to know the difference |
| 01:32.40 | jetscreamer | what's your country code |
| 01:32.48 | foo | I am trying to get my nvidia drivers working but I am having some problems. I use xorg. When I want to install nvidia-glx, apt wants to remove xserver-xorg ... if I install xserver-xorg with nvidia-glx installed, apt wants to remove nvidia-glx, what gives? |
| 01:32.52 | uji_coba | 062 |
| 01:33.03 | asg | foo: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 01:33.07 | jetscreamer | foo apt-cache show xserver-xorg and not the conflict |
| 01:33.15 | jetscreamer | you're using testing i take it? |
| 01:33.21 | jetscreamer | note* |
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| 01:33.27 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 01:33.33 | Azar | thank you dondelecaro :) |
| 01:33.46 | jetscreamer | !dondelelcaro++ |
| 01:33.51 | dondelelcaro | uji_coba: /msg chanserv help; if you're actuially looking to find a channel. |
| 01:34.05 | foo | jetscreamer: yes, testing. |
| 01:34.09 | foo | asg: That doesn't work. |
| 01:34.22 | jetscreamer | ok note that xorg doesn't like nvidia-glx version in testing |
| 01:34.28 | foo | jetscreamer: I don't get it. "apt-cache show xserver-xorg and not the conflict" - what ? |
| 01:34.33 | foo | eh. |
| 01:34.37 | jetscreamer | *note* the conflict |
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| 01:34.40 | jetscreamer | sorry |
| 01:34.42 | asg | foo: doesn't work in what way? |
| 01:34.44 | foo | jetscreamer: Right. |
| 01:34.59 | foo | jetscreamer: How do I get nvidia drivers working under testing then? |
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| 01:35.04 | jetscreamer | try an 8xxx series |
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| 01:35.06 | jetscreamer | or something |
| 01:35.12 | jetscreamer | nvidia-installer... |
| 01:35.16 | jetscreamer | the evil stuff |
| 01:35.23 | dondelelcaro | foo: or just use nv. |
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| 01:35.29 | jetscreamer | hey it works... /me pats testing box |
| 01:35.39 | foo | jetscreamer: What works? |
| 01:35.42 | Azar | nvz the tutorial tells me to install python2.3-dev and python2.3 -- how do I check if I already have it and what version? If I have a higher version is it wise to install an older one? |
| 01:35.45 | jetscreamer | nvidia-installer |
| 01:35.50 | foo | dondelelcaro: Hmm, right. Bleh. I think I will. Not doing any gaming or anything on this box. |
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| 01:35.57 | nvz | I am thinking about getting a new nvidia card.. I talked to the forse and he says I can use an 8x AGP card it will just be slowed down to my bus speed |
| 01:35.58 | jetscreamer | then just use nv |
| 01:36.07 | foo | ok |
| 01:36.14 | Edgardoweb | http://unplug.org.ve:8000/radiotron |
| 01:36.18 | dondelelcaro | foo: yeah, then you definetly want nv; it tends to be less buggy and more importantly can actually be fixed. |
| 01:36.26 | nvz | Azar: dpkg -l python2.3 |
| 01:36.26 | jetscreamer | your mb only does 4x nvz? mine too |
| 01:36.33 | Azar | thanks nvz :) |
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| 01:36.37 | nvz | Edgardoweb: you were asked not to do that already |
| 01:36.37 | foo | dondelelcaro: Gocha -t hanks |
| 01:36.41 | jetscreamer | my card would do 8x |
| 01:37.02 | nvz | yeah I got an old Compaq presario my borhter had |
| 01:37.11 | nvz | its got an S3 ProSuckage onboard |
| 01:37.16 | nvz | and I guess a 4x AGP slot |
| 01:37.26 | dindoo | vous connaissez backtrack ? |
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| 01:37.30 | asg | !fr |
| 01:37.30 | dpkg | well, fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
| 01:37.32 | asg | dpkg: ^^ |
| 01:37.32 | dpkg | /kick gil |
| 01:37.36 | asg | bah |
| 01:37.41 | nvz | It would be nice to play bzflag and stuff, anf also just to be able to get around X more smoothly |
| 01:37.49 | Azar | nvz if I get ii python2.3 2.3.5-sarge1, that means it is installed , right? |
| 01:37.55 | asg | Azar: yes |
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| 01:38.00 | nvz | Azar: check the -dev too I guess |
| 01:38.00 | Azar | :) thanks |
| 01:38.05 | jetscreamer | yeah 8x card in 4x slot fine |
| 01:38.09 | Andy298 | i get this error.... |
| 01:38.10 | Andy298 | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 01:38.11 | Andy298 | Checking for crashed MySQL tables in the background. |
| 01:38.11 | Andy298 | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 01:38.11 | Andy298 | error: 'Access denied for user: 'debian-sys-maint@localhost' (Using password: YES)' |
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| 01:38.14 | jetscreamer | least here this card this mb |
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| 01:38.32 | nvz | yeah I wasnt sure.. thats why I've held off getting one.. I want at _Least_ nvidia 5200 or better |
| 01:38.36 | dondelelcaro | Andy298: see /topic and don't flood here. |
| 01:38.53 | Andy298 | sorry! check #flood for my error, it's when i run /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 01:38.53 | nvz | I had a 5200 FX Ultra in tx and it played bzflag 2.0 and most anything I needed to do |
| 01:38.55 | bluefox83 | arg! i have a package stuck in apt, apt-get -f install and apt-get install --fix-missing are not working..any suggestions? |
| 01:39.07 | jetscreamer | nvz: you can get an fx5500 or an fx6?00 for around the same price as an fx5200 so shop around first |
| 01:39.10 | dondelelcaro | Andy298: secondly, you've deleted the debian-sys-maint user. Re-add it so the Debian package can safely shut down mysql. |
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| 01:39.28 | asg | bluefox83: edit the broken pre/post inst/rm file in /var/lib/dpkg/info; rinse, repeat. |
| 01:39.29 | Andy298 | how do i add it as a user? |
| 01:39.38 | Andy298 | adduser debian-sys-maint? |
| 01:39.42 | MrPrimate | does anyone know of a tool that I can use to log incoming connections to my box ? |
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| 01:39.50 | asg | Andy298: it should have done that automatically |
| 01:39.51 | nvz | jetscreamer: I've been shopping around.. there was a real good deal on a 5200 wqith tuner.. but its gone now.. right now looking opn pricewatch the prices are high.. not any good deals floating around |
| 01:39.55 | Andy298 | :S |
| 01:39.56 | asg | MrPrimate: portsentry |
| 01:39.58 | dondelelcaro | Andy298: no; see the postinst of mysql for an example. /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server.postinst |
| 01:39.59 | Andy298 | what password :| |
| 01:40.02 | abrotman | nvz: wqith tuner ? |
| 01:40.08 | jetscreamer | with |
| 01:40.11 | dondelelcaro | asg: it probably did; it just looks like it's been removed. |
| 01:40.12 | worthawholebean | Why is dpkg platform-specific? |
| 01:40.13 | Azar | where is denyhosts located? |
| 01:40.15 | abrotman | what's a wqith .. and do they all need tuned? |
| 01:40.19 | MrPrimate | asg: thanks |
| 01:40.20 | asg | dondelelcaro: yeah |
| 01:40.34 | dondelelcaro | worthawholebean: because it's written in C? |
| 01:40.36 | nvz | !yinzersmite abrotman |
| 01:40.39 | foo | In fluxbox my scroller skips 2 workspaces at a time, I think it's too sensative. How can I adjust this? |
| 01:40.45 | asg | MrPrimate: iptables can be configured to log things also; it depends on what kind of info you are looking for. |
| 01:40.49 | De_Mon | is the rule -- iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.2.1 -j ACCPET -- "stateful" ? |
| 01:40.54 | worthawholebean | dondelel: but c is platform-independent |
| 01:41.05 | abrotman | !phillysmite nvz |
| 01:41.20 | nvz | I dont recall a time ever when C was platform independant |
| 01:41.24 | abrotman | nvz: you lost that battle! .. but the war will continue! |
| 01:41.31 | dondelelcaro | worthawholebean: possibly, but the binaries it creates are platform dependent. In either case, what's your actual point? |
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| 01:41.49 | De_Mon | nvz helo world compiles with all the compilers I've used :) |
| 01:41.55 | endeavormac | apt-get install php4, does that come with mySQL support? |
| 01:41.56 | Andy298 | now what :S |
| 01:41.58 | asg | abrotman: you sound like a GI Joe cartoon |
| 01:42.00 | nvz | well like he said.. the language may be, but the binaries are not |
| 01:42.03 | dondelelcaro | endeavormac: if you install php4-mysql |
| 01:42.04 | worthawholebean | i'm just trying to figure out how to get it to compile for mac os |
| 01:42.07 | asg | endeavormac: no, install php4-mysql |
| 01:42.07 | jetscreamer | gijoe kicked ken's ass |
| 01:42.11 | endeavormac | ok, thanks |
| 01:42.18 | tiimecop | req: status of debian GNU/LUNIX support for ADAPTEC ASC-39320(B) U32 w/HostRAID |
| 01:42.26 | nvz | De_Mon: bc.exe? |
| 01:42.26 | jetscreamer | ah god it's back |
| 01:42.39 | asg | tiimecop: use lspci to display the chipset information. Paste that into google. |
| 01:42.47 | dondelelcaro | tiimecop: isn't that card supported by the dpt-i2o driver? |
| 01:42.58 | De_Mon | nvz ? |
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| 01:43.07 | cafuego | worthawholebean: don't! |
| 01:43.09 | Andy298 | so what do i do once i did the postinst? |
| 01:43.10 | nvz | De_Mon: the microsoft quick basic compiler |
| 01:43.12 | ke6isf | worthawholebean: Any time you migrate C code between platforms or operating systems, you have to alter it. Code for the GNU tools under Linux will not work under OS/2, for instance, until ported - it's part of the reason why they're still stuck on, say, emacs 19. |
| 01:43.15 | _AR_ | testing and etch - it is one ? |
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| 01:43.20 | asg | worthawholebean: can't you just install fink? |
| 01:43.35 | _AR_ | testing and etch - it is one version debian? |
| 01:43.38 | cafuego | worthawholebean: indeed, use fink |
| 01:43.38 | abrotman | asg: i wish .. i'm not nearly redneck enough .. i don't have a mustang and pickup in the driveway |
| 01:43.39 | ke6isf | worthawholebean: In short, no, C is *not* platform independent. |
| 01:43.42 | asg | _AR_: yes |
| 01:43.47 | bluefox83 | asg, not sure what you mean about the broken file in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 01:43.50 | worthawholebean | asg: i just want to use checkinstall |
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| 01:43.59 | worthawholebean | fink sucks btw |
| 01:44.04 | worthawholebean | imo |
| 01:44.18 | worthawholebean | and C itself is platform independent |
| 01:44.27 | _AR_ | asg> sid and unstable - it is also on verdion? |
| 01:44.28 | abrotman | fink isn't in debian |
| 01:44.28 | seto | Hi all , why my gnome desktop can't launch icons (in nautilus too) ? |
| 01:44.40 | simplex | Are there any .deb's for xgl server yet? |
| 01:44.41 | asg | bluefox83: well, it depends on why things are broken. If you are using testing or sid and the install/rm script has an error, you often have to hack around it. If you are using stable, do check the bts and file a bug. If you are using testing or sid, do check the bts. |
| 01:44.46 | abrotman | !xgl |
| 01:44.47 | asg | _AR_: yes |
| 01:44.53 | dondelelcaro | WhiteNoise: if you actually want to use dpkg, install Debian on the macintosh. |
| 01:45.11 | asg | abrotman: it's the MacOS X dpkg/apt-get repo stuff |
| 01:45.13 | dondelelcaro | s/whitenoise/worthawholebean/ |
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| 01:45.22 | abrotman | asg: i know what it is |
| 01:45.26 | worthawholebean | hmmmm |
| 01:45.31 | asg | !kick abrotman in the goolies |
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| 01:45.37 | tiimecop | dondelelcaro: its adaptec scsi with host raid. |
| 01:45.39 | bluefox83 | asg, using unstable. i'm trying to install kde and gnome for the first time and it's getting files in the list that are evidentally not in the repository |
| 01:45.43 | tiimecop | dondelelcaro: why owuld it be supported by THAT driver. |
| 01:45.55 | simplex | asg: Are there any debian packages for it yet, do you know? |
| 01:45.55 | worthawholebean | how would that break OSX? |
| 01:45.57 | RedDrag0n | Hi, anybody know how to get and install an i586 kernel for Debian Etch? |
| 01:45.59 | AceSmythe | heyall |
| 01:46.05 | RedDrag0n | is OsX even breakable Oo? |
| 01:46.09 | asg | bluefox83: well, unstable can be that way. Make sure you are up to date (apt-get update) and read the sid faq (/msg dpkg sid faq) |
| 01:46.09 | simplex | asg: For xgl I mean. |
| 01:46.12 | AceSmythe | anyone have any opinions on alienware? |
| 01:46.13 | De_Mon | is the INPUT chain of iptables stateful in the default table? |
| 01:46.14 | abrotman | RedDrag0n: what's your CPU? |
| 01:46.15 | worthawholebean | RedDrag0n: you'd be surprised |
| 01:46.16 | cafuego | worthawholebean: if you install packafes with dpkg, you'll probably end up overwriting something vital. |
| 01:46.20 | ke6isf | RedDrag0n: 'apt-cache search linux-package' |
| 01:46.22 | dondelelcaro | tiimecop: right; I misread the model number. That one apparently is just a scsi card with software raid. |
| 01:46.27 | cafuego | worthawholebean: Fink expressly uses /sw/ to avoid this. |
| 01:46.30 | asg | simplex: I don't know off hand. |
| 01:46.31 | RedDrag0n | abrotman, Pentium III Intel Celeron 933Mhz |
| 01:46.34 | worthawholebean | cafuego: this is only so i can use checkinstall |
| 01:46.35 | ke6isf | RedDrag0n: Make that 'linux-image', sorry. |
| 01:46.37 | abrotman | RedDrag0n: that's a 686 |
| 01:46.40 | worthawholebean | and i use /sft |
| 01:46.50 | worthawholebean | explicitly |
| 01:46.50 | abrotman | RedDrag0n: apt-cache search kernel image 686 |
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| 01:46.54 | tiimecop | dondelelcaro: no, youre wrong. its a scsi card with HostRaid hwich is in the bios. |
| 01:46.59 | worthawholebean | i'm not talking about downloading stuff |
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| 01:47.06 | worthawholebean | just storing compiled debs |
| 01:47.07 | Mark` | hm |
| 01:47.08 | ke6isf | abrotman: I thought etch was using the linux-image naming convention. |
| 01:47.12 | RedDrag0n | abrotman, found some, what now? |
| 01:47.12 | Mark` | i cant get my debian install to resolve anything |
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| 01:47.17 | Mark` | i used a network install |
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| 01:47.26 | cafuego | Why do you need dpkg to store debs? |
| 01:47.28 | abrotman | RedDrag0n: .. install it |
| 01:47.32 | Mark` | i got to the point where it wanted me to chose a source for apt |
| 01:47.34 | abrotman | ke6isf: in etch/sid .. yes |
| 01:47.39 | Mark` | none of them worked |
| 01:47.43 | abrotman | ke6isf: but i believe there are transition packages |
| 01:47.44 | Mark` | i can ping ip addresses, but cant resolve anything |
| 01:47.47 | worthawholebean | cafuego: to make debs |
| 01:47.49 | RedDrag0n | abrotman, the same Debian way or I have to build from source and blah blah? |
| 01:47.50 | Mark` | my nameservers work fine too |
| 01:47.51 | ke6isf | abrotman: Ah, OK. |
| 01:47.51 | simplex | abrotman: Do you know if there are xgl packages yet? I'm using sid and don't see them. |
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| 01:47.56 | abrotman | RedDrag0n: which one do you want? |
| 01:48.02 | worthawholebean | i just want to be able to use checkinstall |
| 01:48.02 | RedDrag0n | 2.6 |
| 01:48.04 | ke6isf | Mark`: What are the symptoms? |
| 01:48.04 | abrotman | simplex: i see nothing for it .. but i'm not XSF |
| 01:48.10 | abrotman | RedDrag0n: what's the full name? |
| 01:48.10 | Mark` | ping google.com doesnt work |
| 01:48.12 | cafuego | worthawholebean: if you compiling anyway, why not just install to /usr/local ? |
| 01:48.12 | Mark` | ping 10.0.0.1 works |
| 01:48.16 | simplex | abrotman: What's xsf? |
| 01:48.20 | Andy298 | Can't connect on 'DBI:mysql:;localhost' :Access denied for user: 'debian-sys-maint@localhost' (Using password: YES) |
| 01:48.22 | asg | Mark`: does 'ping 166.82.1.3' work? |
| 01:48.24 | abrotman | !xsf |
| 01:48.24 | dpkg | hmm... xsf is the X Strike Force, home of Debian's XFree86 packages, at http://people.debian.org/~branden/ or http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/NEWS.xhtml |
| 01:48.29 | worthawholebean | cafuego: because i don't like /usr/local |
| 01:48.31 | Mark` | i can ping by ip, not by hostname |
| 01:48.32 | worthawholebean | for some reason |
| 01:48.36 | Mark` | my resolv.conf has working dns servers in it |
| 01:48.37 | nvz | I need to fetch myself a script to truncate long nicks.. that shit annoys me. its like spamming or flooding.. cause you see all that extra chars each time they speak |
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| 01:48.41 | cafuego | worthawholebean: Well, then i can't help ya, sorry |
| 01:48.42 | worthawholebean | plus, /sft is faster to type |
| 01:48.43 | RedDrag0n | abrotman, kernel-image-2.4.27-2-68 |
| 01:48.44 | Mark` | how do i run the apt configuration again |
| 01:48.48 | asg | Mark`: can you ping the 'working dns servers' ? |
| 01:48.50 | RedDrag0n | er, *686 |
| 01:48.51 | simplex | abrotman: Cool thanks. |
| 01:48.55 | abrotman | RedDrag0n: that's a 2.4 .. don't you want 2.6? |
| 01:48.57 | Mark` | asg: yea |
| 01:48.58 | cafuego | worthawholebean: ./configure --prefix=/whatever |
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| 01:49.03 | worthawholebean | i know |
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| 01:49.08 | ke6isf | Mark`: apt-setup |
| 01:49.08 | abrotman | RedDrag0n: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:49.08 | cafuego | worthawholebean: Set symlinlk, done. |
| 01:49.12 | RedDrag0n | oops, wrong one xD - kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:49.13 | abrotman | RedDrag0n: if that fails |
| 01:49.16 | nvz | 12 is reasonable limit for an irc server.. but I wouldnt mind for my viewing it being truncated to like 8 |
| 01:49.17 | abrotman | RedDrag0n: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:49.21 | worthawholebean | cafuego: obviously |
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| 01:49.40 | dondelelcaro | tiimecop: nah, they just call it a "hardware raid" device, but most of the work is actually done in the driver. |
| 01:49.49 | cafuego | Doesn't checkinstall also do tarballs? |
| 01:50.02 | worthawholebean | don't think so |
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| 01:50.28 | worthawholebean | don't know though |
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| 01:50.56 | cafuego | worthawholebean: checkinstall -S |
| 01:51.07 | cafuego | worthawholebean: makes a pretty slack tarball. |
| 01:51.15 | worthawholebean | ok |
| 01:51.17 | dondelelcaro | tiimecop: if you're not using the raid part, aic7xxx should support it. Otherwise, you'll need the binary drivers from adaptec. |
| 01:51.19 | GutterPunk | I built a kernel on another system. I have no means on the system it is intended for to build binaries. I copied the bzImage the modules dir and the system.map to the other system. The kernel boots, but it can't find any modules |
| 01:51.19 | worthawholebean | then i'll do that |
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| 01:51.31 | cafuego | Same rsult, FAR less hassle ;-) |
| 01:51.31 | GutterPunk | Anyone know what I did wrong? |
| 01:51.52 | asg | GutterPunk: you didn't run depmod |
| 01:51.55 | nvz | GutterPunk: you didnt use kernel package |
| 01:52.00 | dondelelcaro | GutterPunk: first off, you should use make-kpkg to build a kernel .deb; and second, use depmod. |
| 01:52.07 | nvz | asg: strange our answers differed |
| 01:52.16 | nvz | and don's was all-inclusive |
| 01:52.16 | asg | nvz: but don summed them up ;) |
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| 01:52.27 | dondelelcaro | GutterPunk: /msg dpkg kp; and /msg dpkg kp mantra; |
| 01:52.35 | GutterPunk | Well, problem is... depmod.old wasn't on the system. So I symlinked it to depmod :s |
| 01:52.39 | GutterPunk | guess that was wrong. |
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| 01:52.59 | GutterPunk | And I can't make-kpkg cause the target system isn't debian |
| 01:53.11 | nvz | ah! for shame :P |
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| 01:53.19 | asg | GutterPunk: then run /sbin/depmod on the target system after installing the kernel, modules, etc. |
| 01:53.25 | tiimecop | dondelelcaro: what |
| 01:53.26 | sbk | Suggestions for tools/programs to save acrobat pdf files with forms in them? |
| 01:53.32 | dondelelcaro | GutterPunk: well, the first step is to make the target system run debian. Then your problems will be solved. |
| 01:53.33 | tiimecop | dondelelcaro: i am using the fuckign raid part thats why i got hte fucking card |
| 01:53.36 | nvz | I couldnt imagine using a pc without debian anymore. |
| 01:53.41 | tiimecop | dondelelcaro: why the fuck doesnt aicwhatever support it? |
| 01:54.01 | abrotman | nvz: can you do that? |
| 01:54.08 | nvz | all the frustrations with pcs over my lifetime came to an end when I found debian.. its what I was looking for all that time and I never knew it |
| 01:54.08 | simplex | !compiz |
| 01:54.14 | asg | abrotman: you can |
| 01:54.17 | dondelelcaro | tiimecop: because it requires binary drivers to actually implement the raid. Hence the reason why I called it "software raid" |
| 01:54.23 | simplex | !xgl |
| 01:54.25 | nvz | asg: do what? |
| 01:54.32 | tiimecop | its not software raid you kike |
| 01:54.35 | asg | nvz: OpenBSD |
| 01:54.36 | tiimecop | its configured in the bios |
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| 01:54.48 | bancus | anyone know what hotplug's FIRMWARE_DIR is in the sarge installer? |
| 01:54.49 | GutterPunk | now depmod complains about "unresolved symbols" on the target system |
| 01:54.50 | nvz | asg: I tried freeBSD once but I didnt like it |
| 01:54.54 | GutterPunk | and a lot of those |
| 01:55.01 | endeavormac | is apt-get install php4-mysql enough to install php with the mySQL support? |
| 01:55.08 | _rene_ | bancus: /lib/firmware? |
| 01:55.13 | bancus | _rene_: tried that |
| 01:55.15 | asg | nvz: an acquired taste like Guiness. It has its uses. |
| 01:55.22 | _rene_ | bancus: /lib/hotplug/firmware? |
| 01:55.30 | bancus | _rene_: haven't tried that one |
| 01:55.31 | asg | endeavormac: yes |
| 01:55.54 | bancus | I've tried /lib/firmware, /usr/lib/firmware, /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, /usr/local/lib/firmware |
| 01:55.55 | nvz | asg: I suppose. first impression led me to ditch it and move on to testing slack and debian without even getting much further than the installer. |
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| 01:56.12 | asg | endeavormac: make sure you installed libapache-mod-php4 also. |
| 01:56.22 | nvz | asg: I ran through the installer about 30 times before I realized I had to take the cd out an reboot.. it never reached and end and told me that. |
| 01:56.30 | endeavormac | php is working, it's just the mysql support which is failing |
| 01:56.34 | nvz | asg: and the kernel configuration was way too vague for my liking |
| 01:56.49 | asg | nvz: I started with slack in '96, then used FreeBSD for a number of years. Now Debian. I still use FreeBSD/OpenBSD in certain situations. |
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| 01:57.10 | GutterPunk | and also something about "cannot read ELF header from /lib/modules/2.4.31-steven/kernel..." and so on |
| 01:58.14 | asg | endeavormac: verify that /etc/php4/apache/php.ini contains an 'extension=mysql.so' (usually near the bottom) |
| 01:58.19 | dondelelcaro | GutterPunk: you've got a relatively recent version of depmod there, right? |
| 01:58.21 | asg | endeavormac: if so, make sure to fully restart apache. |
| 01:58.21 | endeavormac | ok |
| 01:58.27 | bancus | _rene_: /lib/hotplug/firmware is no good either |
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| 01:58.51 | _rene_ | ah, well, was worth a try... |
| 01:59.09 | bancus | there's no /etc/hotplug for me to check :/ |
| 01:59.29 | GutterPunk | dondelelcaro, there's depmod version 2.4.27. The problem is, the distro is called "IPCop", it is intended to just be a firewall. But I needed a new kernel to enable application level filtering |
| 01:59.42 | endeavormac | looks like it's been commented out: ;extension=mysql.so ! |
| 01:59.48 | GutterPunk | dondelelcaro, what I mean to say is, there's no way of easily updating packages on it |
| 02:00.07 | nvz | GutterPunk: whats the reason for not just using debian on the firewall? |
| 02:00.10 | asg | endeavormac: then uncomment it and restart apache. |
| 02:00.18 | nvz | GutterPunk: like he said, all your problems would be over |
| 02:00.19 | Mark` | alright |
| 02:00.25 | Mark` | how do i get rid of this default exim |
| 02:00.35 | abrotman | what do you want instead? |
| 02:00.40 | Mark` | nothing |
| 02:00.43 | nvz | haha |
| 02:00.44 | Nihilanth | does anyone know the name of that package that blacklists the oss modules, so hotplug loads the alsa ones? |
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| 02:00.54 | Mark` | my brother uses gmail |
| 02:01.01 | Mark` | no need for smtp or mail spools or any of that fun stuff |
| 02:01.06 | dondelelcaro | Mark`: just install nullmailer |
| 02:01.11 | GutterPunk | nvz, well because there is a lot to the distro other than just all the netfilter modules. It has a nice interface, a lot of netfilter patches and it does just that, nothing more. + it installs in 5 minutes |
| 02:01.15 | dondelelcaro | Mark`: since you'll want to get mail from that machine if something bad happens. |
| 02:01.16 | Mark` | will that remove exim ? |
| 02:01.17 | abrotman | Mark`: gmail is nothing like exim |
| 02:01.19 | dondelelcaro | Mark`: yes. |
| 02:01.21 | Mark` | kk |
| 02:01.42 | Eulex | !why an mta |
| 02:01.43 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. |
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| 02:01.58 | nvz | GutterPunk: I could install debian in 5 minutes too. and then have the ability to upgrade and stuff |
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| 02:02.23 | nvz | GutterPunk: when all you are installing is firewall stuff it doesnt really take long to install any distro |
| 02:02.33 | _AR_ | :) When i install anjuta-package from testing-branch, anjuta don't work, but when i install this package from sid - it WORK!!! :))) |
| 02:02.57 | _AR_ | etch <-> sid :) |
| 02:03.12 | GutterPunk | nvz, that still doesn't give me the interface IPCop has, and basically just the way it works by default |
| 02:03.23 | GutterPunk | it's not just netfilter. it's a lot more |
| 02:03.51 | nvz | they got you hook line and sinker |
| 02:03.57 | nvz | I sure hope you paid for this :P |
| 02:04.03 | abrotman | _AR_: check the BTS . it's well known |
| 02:04.04 | GutterPunk | Haha lol |
| 02:04.11 | nvz | heh |
| 02:04.16 | _AR_ | !bts |
| 02:04.16 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 02:04.35 | Mark` | how do i list all currently installed packages? |
| 02:04.37 | ke6isf | Is rsa or dsa the preferred key for logging into an ssh account via keyed entry? |
| 02:04.41 | Mark` | and is there a way to 'pretend' when doing apt-get |
| 02:04.52 | ke6isf | !!list all packages |
| 02:04.55 | GutterPunk | nvz, www.ipcop.org btw, you might be interested :) smoothwall.com is the way to go if you wish to pay :) |
| 02:04.55 | ke6isf | !list all packages |
| 02:04.55 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'" |
| 02:04.56 | Eulex | Mark`, dpkg -l|grep ^ii |
| 02:05.07 | Mark` | oo dpkg |
| 02:05.10 | Mark` | didnt know about that ;p |
| 02:05.13 | asg | Mark`: apt-get -s |
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| 02:05.39 | ke6isf | Eulex: Not quite as elegant as dpkg's method. |
| 02:06.07 | Eulex | ke6isf, not really |
| 02:06.10 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 02:06.11 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 02:06.16 | Mark` | 2.6.8 the latest kernel for debian? |
| 02:06.22 | Mark` | sorry if im being annoying, completely new to debian |
| 02:06.24 | abrotman | for sarge .. yes |
| 02:06.26 | Mark` | kk |
| 02:06.27 | GutterPunk | Just a quick little something. Can running depmod on the newer box have screwed up the modules in any way? So that they would show unresolved symbol errors when I redo it later on on a lesser box? |
| 02:06.29 | Mark` | just tryin to stay on the ball |
| 02:06.31 | asg | Mark`: it's the latest 2.6.x kernel for stable |
| 02:06.39 | dondelelcaro | GutterPunk: no |
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| 02:06.42 | asg | Mark`: 2.4.27 is the latest 2.4.x kernel for stable |
| 02:06.45 | GutterPunk | dang |
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| 02:07.36 | sm00f | could someone recommend a good program for serial interfacing, i.e. console programming |
| 02:07.44 | sm00f | like hyperterm for windows |
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| 02:07.49 | asg | sm00f: minicom or ser2net |
| 02:07.50 | amphi | minicom? |
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| 02:08.03 | sm00f | are either x apps? |
| 02:08.11 | asg | sm00f: xterm -e minicom |
| 02:08.18 | sm00f | asg, sure |
| 02:08.36 | Mark` | alright, is there a command to show what services are being loaded on startup |
| 02:08.41 | sandman | Something very strange is happening here.. I go to 127.0.0.1/mediawiki, and it tells me I must setup the wiki. So I click the link, then it tells me it's already configured, and there's a link back to the wikil. |
| 02:08.45 | Mark` | or is it all manual through rc folders |
| 02:08.53 | sandman | That link of course brings me back to the page that tells me I must setup the wiki. Any ideas? |
| 02:09.01 | asg | Mark`: rcconf |
| 02:09.10 | _AR_ | abrotman> thnx "Package: anjuta (anjuta 1.2.4-1+b1; fixed: anjuta 1.2.4a-2" - it's true... |
| 02:09.23 | Mark` | <3 <3 asg |
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| 02:09.40 | Mark` | debian is like the gentoo of binaries |
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| 02:09.45 | Mark` | beautifully designed |
| 02:09.59 | mpoer | what is 'grep' and how might i use it to recover a file on an ext3 file system? |
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| 02:10.11 | abrotman | man grep .. and i doubt it owuld be useful |
| 02:10.12 | Mark` | grep is a regular expression parser |
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| 02:10.20 | Mark` | i guess you could grep out known strings from a raw block of data |
| 02:10.21 | Mark` | but |
| 02:10.25 | dn4 | how do I unzip a .gz file? |
| 02:10.26 | Mark` | good luck with that |
| 02:10.26 | sm00f | could someone send my a mp3, i need to test my audio, but i dont have a browser to download yet |
| 02:10.26 | sm00f | dcc would be great |
| 02:10.31 | Mark` | yea sm00f |
| 02:10.34 | Mark` | what kind of music do you like |
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| 02:10.46 | asg | dn4: /msg dpkg tar |
| 02:10.46 | dondelelcaro | mpoer: you're probably looking for something like e2undel; but the very first thing you need to do is mount the filesystem ro |
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| 02:11.04 | mpoer | it's ext3 file system though |
| 02:11.09 | asg | dn4: if it's *just* a gzipped file, use gunzip |
| 02:11.14 | avar | smoser: do you have wget? |
| 02:11.18 | nvz | mpoer: you generally cannot recover on a journalizing filesystem. but your chances are getting worse as we speak, you need to stop the journaling and remount ro |
| 02:11.21 | mpoer | and according to Linux ext3 FAQ, files can't really be recovered |
| 02:11.30 | abrotman | sm00f: there are many freely available ones on the internet |
| 02:11.32 | avar | sm00f: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Internationale_Russian.ogg |
| 02:11.47 | Eulex | mpoer, not 100% true, I'll get a link for you |
| 02:11.49 | abrotman | sm00f: and you could setup your browser first .. |
| 02:11.51 | Newck | whats a good apt source for XOrg 7.0? |
| 02:12.07 | asg | mpoer: you are better off restoring from backups or using something like 'libtrash' in the future |
| 02:12.32 | mpoer | this is scary.. it's just an image file, but what if it was something more? |
| 02:12.43 | abrotman | you'd use your backups |
| 02:12.44 | asg | mpoer: that's why backups are important |
| 02:12.56 | Eulex | mpoer, this one: http://linux.sys-con.com/read/117909.htm |
| 02:12.56 | sm00f | abrotman, its been compiling for 1 1/2 hr |
| 02:12.58 | dondelelcaro | mpoer: it's also why a lot of us still use ext2. |
| 02:13.02 | mpoer | I kind of wish i had a recycle bin.. NTFS files can be recovered easily |
| 02:13.04 | asg | mpoer: or install the libtrash package |
| 02:13.11 | Mark` | when apt-get says things like.. suggest packages |
| 02:13.20 | Mark` | is there a way to pick and choose which get picked |
| 02:13.26 | asg | mpoer: libtrash == recycling bin |
| 02:13.30 | mpoer | really? |
| 02:13.37 | mpoer | i'll get that now |
| 02:13.51 | ke6isf | mpoer: You don't have backups, do you? |
| 02:13.52 | asg | mpoer: yes. Do read /usr/share/doc/libtrash/* after installation |
| 02:13.52 | ke6isf | !enter |
| 02:13.53 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 02:14.06 | _AR_ | when i describe in my /etc/apt/source.list testing and stable source , what version of packages apt-get will be use? |
| 02:14.11 | dondelelcaro | Mark`: the way to pick and choose is to use aptitude instead of apt-get; the ncurses interface makes it rather tirival. |
| 02:14.19 | asg | _AR_: apt-cache policy <foo> |
| 02:14.20 | dondelelcaro | _AR_: testing unless the package only exists in stable. |
| 02:14.32 | Mark` | dondelelcaro: what about synaptics ive heard of? |
| 02:14.49 | abrotman | sm00f: compiling what? |
| 02:14.55 | mpoer | ty for url, Eulex |
| 02:15.06 | mpoer | no, i don't use back ups |
| 02:15.07 | _AR_ | thnx |
| 02:15.11 | Newck | ATI all-in-wonder tv input - anyone done it? |
| 02:15.12 | ke6isf | mpoer: You are a fool. |
| 02:15.24 | mpoer | if i had anything really important, I would |
| 02:15.31 | Eulex | mpoer, yw :) |
| 02:15.34 | dondelelcaro | Mark`: it's gtk based iirc; but I don't really care for it myself. |
| 02:15.41 | Mark` | ahh, so bloaty |
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| 02:16.00 | abrotman | i think a PIII can handle synaptics :) |
| 02:16.36 | Mark` | not a k6-2 though |
| 02:16.36 | Mark` | lol |
| 02:16.45 | abrotman | that will also be fine |
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| 02:17.24 | bancus | looks like sarge's installer doesn't have an /sbin/hotplug |
| 02:17.25 | bancus | wtf |
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| 02:18.01 | mpoer | apt-getting libtrash now, how do i use it? |
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| 02:18.15 | abrotman | you read about it .. |
| 02:18.39 | mpoer | no icon on the desktop, i assume... |
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| 02:19.09 | mpoer | oh well, as long as it work :) thanks for the tips guys. i'll be safer next time i think |
| 02:19.09 | jason | mpoer...dont assume..read...its more factual |
| 02:19.44 | hit | what is AMD K7 SMP? |
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| 02:19.54 | mpoer | googleing it now, jason..or ethics |
| 02:19.58 | Mark` | is there an mp3 codec in apt-get? |
| 02:20.07 | nvz | hit: K7 is the Athlon family |
| 02:20.14 | abrotman | Mark`: for encoding or decoding ? |
| 02:20.18 | Mark` | just decoding |
| 02:20.22 | Mark` | to play with like, xmms |
| 02:20.22 | Mark` | etc |
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| 02:20.27 | abrotman | xmms is in debian |
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| 02:20.30 | Fackamato | codec = code/decode. |
| 02:20.44 | peery | has anyone here played with dnotify or inotify |
| 02:20.45 | nvz | hit: Athlon, Duron.. |
| 02:20.46 | Mark` | xmms will be able to play mp3's by default? |
| 02:20.47 | bluefox83 | how do i keep apt from installing something that comes with something like KDE when i try to install kde |
| 02:20.48 | hit | nvz: yes i knew that but SMP ? |
| 02:21.00 | abrotman | Fackamato: the library to encode is not in debian |
| 02:21.05 | mpoer | xmms plays mp3s by default for me |
| 02:21.06 | nvz | hit: no I dont even think there was SMP in that family |
| 02:21.07 | Fackamato | abrotman: allright |
| 02:21.14 | ethics | codecs you need will either be in xmms or w32codecs. |
| 02:21.16 | abrotman | nvz: yes there was |
| 02:21.24 | nvz | I've never seen one |
| 02:21.25 | Fackamato | I love initng |
| 02:21.28 | abrotman | ethics: not for mp3 |
| 02:21.42 | abrotman | hit: google athlon 2200 MP |
| 02:21.46 | nvz | abrotman: in any case the debian k7 kernels wouldnt support it I dont think |
| 02:22.04 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7-smp |
| 02:22.07 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7-smp sarge |
| 02:22.17 | abrotman | oh .. damn it |
| 02:22.22 | Fackamato | tjttj |
| 02:22.24 | mpoer | bluefox83: I think you just have to manually remove the packages after they've been installed |
| 02:22.32 | user__ | xmms is past right now |
| 02:22.41 | abrotman | i know it's there |
| 02:22.42 | Fackamato | beep-media-player > xmms |
| 02:22.47 | user__ | yeap |
| 02:22.53 | bluefox83 | mpoer, that'd be great if it would install them so i could remove it..for some damned reason it's not working correctly |
| 02:23.02 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7-smp sarge |
| 02:23.05 | user__ | xmms will die |
| 02:23.05 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7-smp: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD K7 SMP.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 14763 kB, Installed size: 44208 kB |
| 02:23.08 | abrotman | see! |
| 02:23.38 | mpoer | bluefox83, are you apt-getting kde or running through sarge's installer? |
| 02:23.44 | nvz | I know but thats a different kernel |
| 02:23.49 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7-smp: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD K7 SMP.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 14763 kB, Installed size: 44208 kB |
| 02:23.50 | nvz | its got SMP support |
| 02:23.54 | abrotman | nvz: than what? |
| 02:23.55 | bluefox83 | mpoer, apt-get install kde |
| 02:24.02 | abrotman | you said it wouldn't support SMP on k7 |
| 02:24.06 | nvz | than the regular 2.6 kernel images |
| 02:24.10 | abrotman | duh |
| 02:24.18 | abrotman | i thought you meant any kernel in sarge |
| 02:24.38 | mpoer | what error is it giving? |
| 02:24.53 | bluefox83 | mpoer, look in #flood |
| 02:25.50 | Mark` | irssi isnt in apt-get? |
| 02:25.51 | Mark` | wtfuzz |
| 02:25.57 | hit | abort: i wanna update to linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 but there is 2 terms for me ,one is linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 another is linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7-smp |
| 02:26.01 | asg | Mark`: irssi-text |
| 02:26.01 | nvz | Mark`: irssi-text |
| 02:26.03 | abrotman | Mark`: |
| 02:26.04 | Mark` | ooooooooooooooooooo |
| 02:26.06 | Mark` | sassy |
| 02:26.09 | hit | abortman |
| 02:26.09 | Mark` | my bad ;p |
| 02:26.21 | abrotman | hit: do you have two processors? |
| 02:26.28 | asg | Mark`: in the future, 'apt-cache search <keywords>' |
| 02:26.34 | Mark` | aha! |
| 02:26.35 | Mark` | ty =] |
| 02:26.37 | nvz | Mark`: 70% of the people wouldnt be here if there were some reason irssi would not be included |
| 02:26.42 | abrotman | !tell Mark` about refcard |
| 02:26.50 | nvz | Mark`: its the most widely used client in here |
| 02:26.52 | hit | no ,one athlon barton 2500+ |
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| 02:27.00 | endeavormac | can i see what packages have been installed with apt-get? |
| 02:27.03 | abrotman | hit: then you don't need -smp |
| 02:27.09 | abrotman | endeavormac: dpkg -l |
| 02:27.20 | endeavormac | thanks |
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| 02:27.29 | hit | abrotman: what does -smp mean? |
| 02:27.33 | Azar | \o/ yess I made it! |
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| 02:27.51 | javiolo | anyone here uses Maya ? |
| 02:27.55 | nvz | hit: Symmetric Multi Proccessor, If I recall correctly |
| 02:28.00 | javiolo | its possible to run on debian ? |
| 02:28.09 | Azar | javiolo: the $8000.00 program? |
| 02:28.14 | hit | thanks |
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| 02:28.25 | javiolo | azar yes the 3d program |
| 02:28.32 | nvz | hit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing |
| 02:28.38 | Azar | javiolo: I have no idea if that works with linux |
| 02:28.45 | Tortel | most likely not |
| 02:28.50 | sm00f | this question is debatable but what is the most functional applet suite |
| 02:28.51 | abrotman | !tell hit about smp |
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| 02:29.05 | \amethyst | if the program costs $8000, you use whatever operating system they tell you to :) |
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| 02:29.11 | asg | sm00f: what do you mean by 'applet suit'? |
| 02:29.30 | javiolo | Azar Ive read that runs on red hat |
| 02:29.32 | javiolo | and suse |
| 02:29.36 | Azar | \amethyst: Maya is the most expensive graphics program out there |
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| 02:29.41 | javiolo | but nothing about other distros |
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| 02:29.45 | abrotman | sm00f: are you running debian? |
| 02:29.46 | \amethyst | Azar: I doubt that |
| 02:29.50 | sm00f | asg, like enlightenment epplets, or gnomes-applet or kde |
| 02:29.55 | asg | javiolo: if it doesn't run out of the box on Debian, /msg dpkg redhat crap |
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| 02:30.01 | sbk | fetchmail works nicely for me, but for some reason I don't immediately understand, every apt-get now succeeds with the warning at http://channels.debian.net/paste/1873 |
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| 02:30.07 | sm00f | asg, im looking for realtime desktop widgets |
| 02:30.15 | Tortel | oo |
| 02:30.17 | sbk | it's an annoyance -- what am I missing? |
| 02:30.18 | Tortel | gdesklets |
| 02:30.21 | asg | sm00f: karamba, superkaramba (kde) -- gdesklets (gnome) |
| 02:30.24 | Azar | javiolo: this is open source free field, I have no idea how a proprietary program would work on it |
| 02:30.24 | abrotman | sm00f: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 02:30.34 | javiolo | Azar ok |
| 02:30.43 | Tortel | Reise Reise! |
| 02:30.50 | Azar | javiolo: I would google for Maya on Debian see what you get |
| 02:30.55 | javiolo | Azar do you know any 3d soft like maya for devian ? |
| 02:30.55 | javiolo | ok |
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| 02:31.11 | endeavormac | alright, i'm trying to apt-get remove mysql-common. it "removed" it already, but it still shows up in dpkg -l with a "rc" to the left of it |
| 02:31.26 | asg | endeavormac: dpkg -P mysql-common |
| 02:31.30 | \amethyst | javiolo: I don't know much about graphics programs, but what about blender? |
| 02:31.32 | _unstable | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/akHFYQ42.html |
| 02:31.34 | Azar | I can't wait to see what denyhosts does |
| 02:31.37 | abrotman | sm00f: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:31.41 | endeavormac | asg: what does it mean? why are they still there? |
| 02:31.46 | asg | endeavormac: in the future, use 'apt-get remove --purge <foo>' |
| 02:31.46 | jeef | does Sarge's installation CD completely abhor SATA drives, or have my previous attempts just been unsuccessful out-of-the-blue (i.e. is it even possible)? |
| 02:31.52 | _unstable | How can I get more information on that card...it's an Orinoco 802.11b card, Gold card wifi standard. |
| 02:31.58 | asg | endeavormac: it removed the package but left the configs, that's what 'rc' means |
| 02:32.04 | javiolo | \amethyst didnt know this one, Ive only used Maya |
| 02:32.08 | _unstable | But lspci doesn't show anything...and cardmgr doesn't work. |
| 02:32.10 | Tortel | javiolo: Wings3D - www.wings3d.com |
| 02:32.10 | endeavormac | asg: ok, thx |
| 02:32.20 | asg | _unstable: probably a hermes |
| 02:32.24 | Tortel | javiolo: easy to learn |
| 02:32.30 | _unstable | asg: yea, hermes chipset from agere |
| 02:32.41 | _unstable | asg: agere didn't make drivers for the 2.6 kernel, only the 2.4 |
| 02:32.41 | Tortel | javiolo: no animation capibilities though |
| 02:32.42 | asg | _unstable: that's supported |
| 02:32.43 | javiolo | Tortel is modelling like maya ? nurbs, poligons... ? |
| 02:32.51 | _unstable | asg: It's the hermes II chipset |
| 02:32.51 | Tortel | javiolo: pollies |
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| 02:33.03 | asg | _unstable: the standard 2.4.x and 2.6.x kernels both worked for me. |
| 02:33.05 | ethics | pixar have a custom version of maya thats runs on linux i beleive but its not available to the populous i dont beleive |
| 02:33.22 | javiolo | ethics yes no populous |
| 02:33.25 | _unstable | asg: I went to agere's website and they only had drivers for 2.4...they said they don't support 2.6 |
| 02:33.39 | _unstable | asg: You probably had hermes I chipset |
| 02:33.51 | javiolo | Just read about someone succesfully run maya on debian |
| 02:33.53 | _unstable | asg: How can I get more info from this card..what command? |
| 02:33.58 | asg | _unstable: oh, possibly. I can't remember offhand; I don't have that card anymore |
| 02:34.01 | nvz | abrotman: the wikipedia article also touches on NUMA and ASMP where as that factiod does not :P |
| 02:34.21 | javiolo | he converted rpm to deb |
| 02:34.23 | abrotman | nvz: they don't apply to his question |
| 02:34.32 | nvz | abrotman: he may be an over achiever |
| 02:34.32 | asg | _unstable: pccardctl |
| 02:34.33 | javiolo | is that possible ? |
| 02:34.40 | abrotman | nvz: wanna place bets? |
| 02:34.45 | nvz | abrotman: heh, I always like to learn more than I ask :P |
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| 02:34.53 | eyedol59 | hello to everyone |
| 02:35.07 | abrotman | nvz: sure :) |
| 02:35.15 | _unstable | asg: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/O2ZZzQ97.html |
| 02:35.26 | ethics | javiolo: umm alien is the package designed to do rpm to deb but its hit and miss i think |
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| 02:35.40 | _unstable | asg: http://www.agere.com/mobility/wireless_lan_drivers.html |
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| 02:35.49 | Tortel | checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 32768 |
| 02:35.51 | Tortel | w00t |
| 02:35.54 | nvz | RPM is inferior and doesnt contain nearly enough information to make a deb |
| 02:35.58 | _unstable | asg: If you download either linux tarball, both the readmes state they only support 2.4 kernel. |
| 02:36.02 | javiolo | ethics sorry english its not my mother language, what did you mean ? |
| 02:36.18 | eyedol59 | has anybody made a debian install from another linux system? |
| 02:36.24 | nvz | obviously alien has to do some "guesswork" |
| 02:36.25 | asg | _unstable: well, it wouldn't hurt to try either standard kernel. Otherwise, 2.4.x will have to do. |
| 02:36.26 | ethics | "alien" = rpm -> deb converter.......sorta works sometimes |
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| 02:36.40 | Tortel | alien is awesome |
| 02:36.44 | ifup | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:36.48 | bintut | how can i make a .deb kernel package on my own? |
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| 02:36.53 | nvz | ethics: /msg dpkg debtakeover |
| 02:36.54 | asg | bintut: /msg dpkg kp |
| 02:36.58 | eyedol59 | has anybody made a debian install from another linux system? |
| 02:36.59 | ethics | according to tortel itsd "Awesome"!!! |
| 02:37.10 | nvz | eyedol59: stop repeating |
| 02:37.11 | Tortel | :D |
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| 02:37.38 | Tortel | i r0xx0rs |
| 02:37.43 | bintut | asg: what's that? |
| 02:38.01 | asg | bintut: type it in your irc client, our bot will give you some information. |
| 02:38.09 | nvz | eyedol59: if you arent getting the desired result you are either asking the wrong question, the wrong people or everyone is busy or ignoring you.. your options are to wait or change the question |
| 02:38.30 | eyedol59 | i am trying to install debian from another linux system, could anybody help me? |
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| 02:38.43 | nvz | eyedol59: /msg dpkg debtakeover |
| 02:38.50 | AR | about pkg c2man : Please do not use c2man -- it is unmaintained upstream now, and only exists because other packages depend on it. :) |
| 02:38.54 | _unstable | asg: What's the best card to buy these days..as far as having a pigtail..so I can use an antenna and get a better signal? something that will definitely be supported by linux |
| 02:39.02 | ethics | eyedol59 - explain more...you have deb files on a system and want to use them rather than downloading new ones? |
| 02:39.31 | Tortel | ethics: he means run the installer, I think....... |
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| 02:39.46 | Brian_L | :-) debtakeover is sweet!! |
| 02:39.53 | _unstable | asg: I got this card..because everyone said orinoco was one of the first companies to make open source drivers...and it would definitely be supported under linux...and I got it with the hermes II chipset...and not supported by 2.6.x |
| 02:39.58 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 02:39.58 | dpkg | i heard debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
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| 02:40.30 | eyedol59 | nvz:actually i am in the middle of the installation process but i am having some troubles, could yo help me? |
| 02:40.34 | bluefox83 | whats the other package handler thingy besides dselect? maybe i can figure out how to handle these broken packages.. |
| 02:40.35 | a431tnt | Can someone help me? I did a apt-get dist-upgrade everything seems okay except for one package knetworkconf failed I now I can not get apt to get past it |
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| 02:40.54 | abrotman | aptitude? dselect? tasksel? synaptic? |
| 02:41.03 | nvz | eyedol59: probably not I am contemplating sleep.. you should probably quit beating around the issue and just ask the questions you want answered |
| 02:41.12 | eyedol59 | i am following the guide that comes with the debian iso... |
| 02:41.20 | jetscreamer | obviously not dselect, it's still broken.... |
| 02:41.25 | simplex | Does anyone happen to know if there are any xgl packages out yet? Possibly on etch? |
| 02:41.38 | bluefox83 | hrm..i'll try synaptic.. |
| 02:41.41 | Tortel | !info xgl |
| 02:41.50 | Tortel | nope |
| 02:41.57 | jetscreamer | !find xgl |
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| 02:42.03 | dpkg | python-wxglade: (GUI designer written in Python with wxPython), section python, is optional. Version: 0.3.5.cvs20050824-0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 484 kB, Installed size: 2388 kB |
| 02:42.04 | ethics | computer says....NO!! |
| 02:42.17 | simplex | Yeah I didn't think so. Has anyone successfully installed it on debian yet? |
| 02:42.28 | nvz | what the hell is _IT_ |
| 02:42.39 | abrotman | it's IT! |
| 02:42.45 | abrotman | so says Mike Patton |
| 02:42.45 | Tortel | Information Tech! |
| 02:42.48 | Tortel | :D |
| 02:42.52 | ethics | IT = information Technology...its like IS but way easier to spell |
| 02:42.53 | nvz | yo momma is IT or at least she was in her day |
| 02:42.56 | jetscreamer | !it |
| 02:42.57 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 02:43.02 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 02:43.03 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:43.12 | jetscreamer | !not it |
| 02:43.17 | Fackamato | ! |
| 02:43.24 | Tortel | !! |
| 02:43.25 | dpkg | No sĂłc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 02:43.28 | eyedol59 | when i try to mount the fstab the command line gives me this message: special device /dev/sda10 does not exist |
| 02:43.51 | ethics | eyedol59: do you have 10 partitions on that drive? |
| 02:43.57 | nvz | let me help you with that, you dont mount the fstab |
| 02:44.02 | eyedol59 | but this device is just a partition of my SATA disk and it exists |
| 02:44.05 | eyedol59 | yes i do |
| 02:44.10 | jetscreamer | him say 'i'm not your damn csh prompt' iirc |
| 02:44.26 | nvz | the fstab is a file its not to be mounted |
| 02:44.49 | ethics | nvz umm mount device name looks up fstab and does that |
| 02:44.57 | eyedol59 | the guide says that i have to write: mount -a in the command line |
| 02:45.04 | jetscreamer | !castignate nvz's reading between the line skills |
| 02:45.23 | jetscreamer | mount -a should mount all that's in fstab yes |
| 02:45.33 | eyedol59 | i look in the man and it says that man -a mounts everything that is on the fstab file |
| 02:45.35 | Azar | wow I finally managed to set denyhosts.. amazingly simple that was! |
| 02:45.51 | nvz | I'm lucky I can read at all where I come from :P |
| 02:45.54 | nvz | heh |
| 02:46.07 | jetscreamer | yes eyedol59 that's how it works |
| 02:46.07 | ethics | eyedol59: sounds like it doesnt see the partitions the same way you think it does |
| 02:46.21 | jetscreamer | !beer nvz |
| 02:46.33 | jetscreamer | you decant wine not beer |
| 02:46.36 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 02:46.50 | nvz | actually I am gonna try this St Ides Special Brew |
| 02:47.03 | ethics | eyedol59: perhaps dmesg can tell you more or fdisk /dev/sda |
| 02:47.09 | eyedol59 | ethics: my ubuntu sees it, so it does exist . Do you know how can a make debian see the partition? |
| 02:47.12 | nvz | I thought about some Camo 40's but I figured I'd rather not die tonight |
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| 02:47.44 | nvz | I never heard of Camo Ice before but its a 9% Malt 40.. thats pretty strong |
| 02:48.31 | ethics | eyedol59: does the mount point exist? |
| 02:48.33 | abrotman | by yinzer standards |
| 02:48.55 | eyedol59 | ethics: yes it does |
| 02:49.08 | Aid` | how do i generate a password file for vncviewer? |
| 02:49.12 | nvz | I've never seen a Malt beverage that high St Ides is only 6%, smirnoff is 5% and regular beers are usually less than that |
| 02:49.33 | Mark` | is there a flag for apt-get to show what files are being installed/extracted? |
| 02:49.33 | ethics | try manually mounting.... mount -t FSType /dev/sdaXX /mount/Point |
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| 02:49.41 | dondelelcaro | nvz: bah. good beers start at around 6%... |
| 02:49.52 | Mark` | instead of just names of packages |
| 02:49.59 | Azar | is there any problem if I used wget instead of apt-get to install denyhosts? |
| 02:50.04 | jetscreamer | try fdisk -l /dev/sda maybe, or cat /proc/partitions |
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| 02:50.08 | nvz | dondelelcaro: well that Camo Ice at 9% is one of the highest I've seen |
| 02:50.14 | abrotman | define good beer |
| 02:50.23 | eyedol59 | ethics: ok, i would try that now.. |
| 02:50.24 | Tortel | i want beer |
| 02:50.25 | Tortel | :( |
| 02:50.30 | abrotman | Tortel: you're 15 |
| 02:50.34 | Tortel | so? |
| 02:50.35 | nvz | heh |
| 02:50.38 | ethics | !beer tortel |
| 02:50.42 | Tortel | why you remeber that anyway? |
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| 02:51.02 | abrotman | Tortel: i remember weird things . no idea .. |
| 02:51.15 | ethics | yep hes a weirdo!!! |
| 02:51.18 | nvz | if I give away any more I wont be old enough :P |
| 02:51.27 | Tortel | damnyou |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | i've got 8 or so i can share :) |
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| 02:51.41 | Azar | ethics want to see sco with pants around the ankles? |
| 02:51.48 | nvz | though I would let you have about the 6 you need just so I can be a bad little teenager again |
| 02:51.48 | ethics | im in the decades area ... |
| 02:52.05 | nvz | there are plenty of hot high school girls I could get into trouble with |
| 02:52.14 | Tortel | i want to go shoot squirrles tomorow.... |
| 02:52.22 | abrotman | nvz: you don't have to be a teenager to get in trouble with those girls :) |
| 02:52.34 | Tortel | see how accurate my .22 is..... |
| 02:52.46 | nvz | abrotman: well I dont want to get into that kind of trouble.. when I was a teenager the trouble was different |
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| 02:53.32 | abrotman | nvz: sure you do .. YINZER! |
| 02:53.48 | nvz | heh |
| 02:54.19 | ethics | hey abrotman can i borrow one of your spare teenagers....ill give her back... |
| 02:54.22 | jetscreamer | maybe a-t-rdepends or whatever it's called |
| 02:54.34 | abrotman | ethics: i don't have any .. i'm far too old |
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| 02:54.36 | jetscreamer | err apt-rdepends |
| 02:54.56 | ethics | abrotman....aww then your in my club....all my options have character lines now hehehe |
| 02:55.05 | ethics | well they call them that i call them something else |
| 02:55.16 | pinecone | HI I am trying to load slink deb 2.1r2 from CD's onto a 486 right now. i want to runit in text mode and have access to a sarge box and the internet through the home router. Anyone feel like coaching this a bit? |
| 02:55.23 | abrotman | ethics: i think you're a bit older than me yet |
| 02:55.39 | abrotman | pinecone: how much ram? |
| 02:56.04 | nevyn | pinecone: how much ram does the system have? |
| 02:56.06 | ethics | abrot...yeah just a tiny bit....they are all still keen but they are no longer sleek and clean |
| 02:56.21 | nvz | oh well sucks to be you old people.. you should go to toys r us more often |
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| 02:56.29 | abrotman | ethics: if you say keen .. you must also think the Monkees are cool :) |
| 02:56.40 | abrotman | nvz: is that a high school for you ? |
| 02:56.40 | nvz | I havent been there in years.. probably why I started getting old |
| 02:56.51 | ethics | abrotman hahah....if you have a poo throw it now!!! |
| 02:56.52 | endeavormac | i am trying to compile php5 /w --with-apxs but i can't find the path to apxs on my system. i installed apache with apt-get install apache. any suggestions? |
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| 02:56.59 | pinecone | RAM: post reports about 32 Mb plus 16 Mb |
| 02:57.11 | ethics | nah the monkeys are still before my time thankfully |
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| 02:58.21 | abrotman | pinecone: but why install slink ? |
| 02:58.44 | \amethyst | endeavormac: you need apache-dev |
| 02:58.52 | ethics | nvz: toys r us is cool...but it needs chemistry sets and fireworks and ham radios and all the cool stuff we zapped ourselves with as a kid... |
| 02:58.54 | endeavormac | ok |
| 02:58.58 | \amethyst | endeavormac: you might want to try apt-get build-deb php4 |
| 02:59.01 | \amethyst | s/4/5/ |
| 02:59.07 | \amethyst | err |
| 02:59.09 | abrotman | ethics: maybe the discovery channel store? |
| 02:59.10 | pinecone | Well, sarge load won't take. I get this "debootstarp error: cannot find codename" and the install dies. |
| 02:59.14 | \amethyst | endeavormac: apt-get build-dep php5 |
| 02:59.16 | ethics | nvz: you guys pay for games that zap you.....we designed em 15 years ago and just called them broken |
| 02:59.17 | \amethyst | there we go |
| 02:59.26 | abrotman | pinecone: but at least woody still has security support |
| 02:59.37 | endeavormac | but there is no php5 package |
| 03:00.18 | \amethyst | oh, only in sid |
| 03:00.27 | pinecone | don't have woody around. I will upgrade once i get this slink to finish loading, at least that's the plan. Any reason why woody or sarge would have a problem? |
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| 03:00.40 | endeavormac | sid? |
| 03:00.58 | \amethyst | unstable |
| 03:01.03 | ethics | endeavormac: unstable....on its way to testing sometime in the future |
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| 03:01.21 | ethics | !sid |
| 03:01.22 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 03:01.27 | \amethyst | endeavormac: http://pdo.debian.net/unstable/source/php5 lists the build dependencies in unstable |
| 03:01.46 | \amethyst | endeavormac: depending on how you configure it you might not need all of them |
| 03:02.00 | endeavormac | ok, thanks |
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| 03:02.58 | ChrisBradley | Hello all |
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| 03:03.30 | \amethyst | endeavormac: you might also want to look at http://debian.home-dn.net/ |
| 03:03.43 | \amethyst | endeavormac: there is a php5 backport to sarge there |
| 03:03.54 | ChrisBradley | anyone who was familliar with my old projects |
| 03:03.56 | endeavormac | excellent, thanks |
| 03:04.03 | a431tnt | can someone lend a hand?? I have a broken package.. tried apt-get -f install .. not work.. how do I unmark or delete the offender? |
| 03:04.06 | ChrisBradley | I currently have an ircd running successfully |
| 03:04.16 | ChrisBradley | If you are interested in seeing it - msg me |
| 03:04.19 | \amethyst | endeavormac: also backports.org |
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| 03:04.38 | endeavormac | all i really need is that apxs, but i should have enough here to figure it out now |
| 03:04.41 | endeavormac | thanks |
| 03:04.44 | \amethyst | endeavormac: backports.org is more 'official' |
| 03:04.52 | endeavormac | thanks |
| 03:04.58 | abrotman | a431tnt: why is it broken? |
| 03:05.02 | endeavormac | i'll bookmark it, i'll probably neet it a couple of times |
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| 03:05.58 | a431tnt | abrotman: there is a bug in the code so I just read so the install fails a dependancy |
| 03:06.34 | \amethyst | a431tnt: a bug in the preinst script or what? |
| 03:06.34 | zebalin4 | abrotman: beep |
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| 03:06.41 | a431tnt | abrotman: so I read in a post on debian user forums |
| 03:06.55 | abrotman | zebalin4: hi |
| 03:07.13 | abrotman | a431tnt: that's still kind of vague |
| 03:07.23 | zebalin4 | abrotman: just dropped in to see what kind of trouble you are into!! |
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| 03:07.30 | abrotman | zebalin4: i'm being good |
| 03:07.32 | Mark` | think a 500mhz machine can watch divx/xvid? |
| 03:07.39 | dagbrown | Yup |
| 03:07.42 | Mark` | rock on |
| 03:07.52 | dagbrown | I watched divx/xvid movies no problem on a 300MHz laptop. |
| 03:07.54 | a431tnt | is okay to paste 3 lines of the error here or is there place to paste it? |
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| 03:08.02 | abrotman | !paste |
| 03:08.02 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 03:08.07 | PumpkinPie | newer kernels reserve ram gradually over time correct? to make a idle box appear to have hardly any available ram left.. right? |
| 03:08.17 | a431tnt | okay thanks |
| 03:08.28 | nvz | I get best results especially if I dont have accell using mplayer with the vesa or svga plugins.. then I cna get fullscreen usually without any lag |
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| 03:08.54 | nvz | and mplayer has many more options related to indexing, timing, framedropping..etc that will help too in rought situations |
| 03:09.04 | AceSmythe | anyone have an option on toshiba laptops? |
| 03:09.11 | abrotman | option or opinion? |
| 03:09.14 | \amethyst | PumpkinPie: it uses free memory as a block and directory cache |
| 03:09.21 | AceSmythe | opinion |
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| 03:09.34 | nvz | I want to buy a Toshiba Libretto U100 series |
| 03:09.36 | jetscreamer | there is a toshiba laptop kernel module, but i don't know what it does |
| 03:09.41 | nvz | heh |
| 03:09.44 | \amethyst | PumpkinPie: observe the buffers/cached entries in the output of `free`, and the differences between the first and second line |
| 03:09.51 | jetscreamer | oh and do NOT get a toshiba notebook hd |
| 03:09.58 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 03:09.58 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 03:10.08 | jetscreamer | i have 2. they make crappy paperweights. |
| 03:10.19 | nvz | not heavy enough eh? |
| 03:10.26 | jetscreamer | nah the maxtor is better |
| 03:10.52 | jetscreamer | it means tarring imo |
| 03:10.55 | jetscreamer | and untarring |
| 03:10.58 | nvz | I've accumulated a lot of dead Maxtor and Quantum drives over the years |
| 03:11.00 | abrotman | my $HOME yes .. |
| 03:11.07 | abrotman | but the new HDD will be larger |
| 03:11.20 | abrotman | and i'll have to do windows anyways i guess |
| 03:11.27 | a431tnt | okay I pasted it at http://channels.debian.net/paste/1874. Thanks! |
| 03:11.31 | jetscreamer | i plop&drop windows also |
| 03:11.35 | abrotman | freak |
| 03:11.40 | jetscreamer | aka just untar it |
| 03:11.52 | jetscreamer | heh. i'll have to do it again soon :( |
| 03:11.58 | manuu | hey all , i just got installed debian/sarge , everything seems to be fine , but i cannot connect to the internet..it recognizes me the ethernet card and is up 2 i can modify options in the router(which is a dlink 502 T), the ifconfig and route are ok 2 , anyone for some idea what is wrong ?( with the same options , on windows i am on the internet) |
| 03:11.59 | jetscreamer | i'm windowless atm |
| 03:12.20 | PumpkinPie | \amethyst: -/+ buffers/cache: 685524 1391248 | the first number is buffer and the 2nd is cache? |
| 03:12.21 | dagbrown | AceSmythe: I'm on my third Toshiba laptop. |
| 03:12.24 | spell | how to configure autofs? |
| 03:12.25 | nvz | dpkg, windows |
| 03:12.25 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 03:12.26 | AceSmythe | my debian install wont let me connect, but i think it's because the HD is full :p |
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| 03:12.34 | nvz | no that wasnt it |
| 03:12.37 | nvz | dpkg, gates |
| 03:12.37 | dpkg | well, gates is In a world of free software, there are no fences or walls. So who needs Gates and Windows? |
| 03:12.54 | AceSmythe | dagbrown: i have a $1500 celing, suggest me somthing with an nvidia card |
| 03:12.54 | spell | any help me |
| 03:13.00 | \amethyst | PumpkinPie: no, the first number is used memory not counting cache, and the second is free memory counting cache |
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| 03:13.19 | \amethyst | PumpkinPie: the amount of buffers/cache are the fifth and sixth fields in the previous line |
| 03:13.24 | CrazyP | i just install debian, and i want kaffiene but apt-get install kaffiene says it isn't available .. did this get moved to something else? |
| 03:13.46 | nvz | CrazyP: non-free or contrib maybe |
| 03:13.50 | nvz | !info kaffiene |
| 03:13.52 | spell | how to configure autofs? |
| 03:14.11 | konfuzed | AceSmythe: try this at your prompt df -h |
| 03:14.25 | dagbrown | AceSmythe: Oh, no idea. My current one has Intel graphics hardware in it. The one before that had a Radeon Mobility of some description. |
| 03:14.33 | konfuzed | it will inform you of your drive usage status |
| 03:14.40 | nvz | CrazyP: spell it right |
| 03:14.52 | nvz | !info kaffeine |
| 03:14.53 | dagbrown | I'm a fan of the DynaBook SS series, which are called Porteges outside of Japan, I think. |
| 03:14.55 | dpkg | kaffeine: (versatile media player for KDE 3), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.7.1-1.3+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 1933 kB, Installed size: 3600 kB |
| 03:14.58 | PumpkinPie | \amethyst: used cache is freed if a active program needs it right? |
| 03:15.04 | spell | autofs no works |
| 03:15.17 | CrazyP | nvz, it is kaffeine |
| 03:15.18 | konfuzed | AceSmythe: are you looking for a laptop or desktop |
| 03:15.23 | AceSmythe | laptop |
| 03:15.39 | AceSmythe | http://acesmythe.com/temp/list.html |
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| 03:15.48 | konfuzed | I can get you , or anyone, a desktop video editing system for less then 1500 cdn |
| 03:15.49 | greymonk | Hi, |
| 03:15.52 | nvz | CrazyP: yep and its in section kde |
| 03:15.55 | greymonk | I have a digital camera |
| 03:16.05 | a431tnt | abrotman: did you get to look at my post http://channels.debian.net/paste/1874 ? |
| 03:16.15 | spell | how to mount cdrom automatic? |
| 03:16.16 | greymonk | How do I can all users to use the camera? |
| 03:16.29 | konfuzed | so your 1500 is most likely US and should garner arouns 2grand worth of desktop hardware |
| 03:16.31 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:16.35 | CrazyP | nvz, okay... gonna try adding in contrib and non-free to apt sources |
| 03:16.39 | dagbrown | AceSmythe: And you want it to run Sarge? Huh. |
| 03:16.53 | abrotman | a431tnt: you can force that change |
| 03:17.27 | AceSmythe | dag, what? |
| 03:17.36 | greymonk | HOw do I get all users to use my digital camera |
| 03:17.42 | CrazyP | nvz, that didn't work,any hints on how to get it? |
| 03:17.55 | AceSmythe | it doesnt NEED to be sarge, but that's what i'm running now |
| 03:17.55 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:18.32 | konfuzed | AceSmythe: I saw a great page from debian.org (i believe) about palces you can buy laptops and desktops with Debian installed as its compatibility guarantee |
| 03:18.41 | abrotman | a431tnt: man dpkg .. look for the overwrite thing |
| 03:18.42 | CrazyP | nvz, yeah, i've tried that. ... Package kaffeine is not available, but is referred to by another package. i get that tho |
| 03:19.10 | \amethyst | PumpkinPie: right |
| 03:19.14 | greymonk | HOw do I get all users to use my digital camera |
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| 03:19.20 | AceSmythe | konfuzed: "Huh." what's that? |
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| 03:19.43 | sparr | What is 'The Debian Way' to downgrade my nvidia drivers after using the packages and module-assistant to install the latest? |
| 03:19.46 | nvz | CrazyP: no idea, works for me |
| 03:19.59 | CrazyP | nvz weird. This is a fresh install too.... |
| 03:20.05 | nvz | CrazyP: sarge? |
| 03:20.19 | CrazyP | nvz, testing/etch |
| 03:20.26 | xfan | i installed the kernel-2.6.15, and with this i can get sound work |
| 03:20.28 | CrazyP | in the sources.list it says etch |
| 03:20.31 | PumpkinPie | \amethyst: that can confuse a lot of people huh? older kernel's didn't do that |
| 03:20.43 | xfan | with the old 2.6.11 the sound card work great |
| 03:20.43 | nvz | CrazyP: ah, well check the bts and file a bug or something *shrug* I am using stable |
| 03:20.53 | xfan | maybe is a driver problem |
| 03:21.01 | CrazyP | nvz, okay. |
| 03:21.14 | xfan | any suggestion? |
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| 03:22.04 | CrazyP | nvz, also just tried mplayer, that didn't work either :( |
| 03:22.36 | greymonk | How do I get all users to access of my digital camera? |
| 03:22.37 | konfuzed | xfan: so far you said your sound works under both kernels |
| 03:23.01 | greymonk | the superuser can access the camera but not other users. |
| 03:23.06 | xfan | sorry, work only on 2.6.11 |
| 03:23.18 | abrotman | permissions? suid binary? |
| 03:23.38 | konfuzed | wow i havent heard super user in a long time |
| 03:23.45 | xfan | i cant find the module "snd-intel8x0" |
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| 03:24.36 | nvz | CrazyP: oh well, that sucks. I stopped using testing after sarge froze |
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| 03:24.49 | nvz | There's a yak out in my yard |
| 03:24.56 | AceSmythe | ... |
| 03:24.57 | abrotman | xfan: did you compile your own ? |
| 03:25.00 | foo | I am on testing and I have firefox 1.0.4 and it keeps crashing. Should I just grab the linux installer from the mozilla site to install 1.5 ? |
| 03:25.06 | xfan | yes |
| 03:25.17 | xfan | my first kernel compile :D |
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| 03:25.25 | abrotman | xfan: guess you left something out :) |
| 03:25.26 | Coweater | foo: testing has 1.0.7 update |
| 03:25.30 | abrotman | !tell root_____ about root |
| 03:25.43 | foo | Coweater: hmm. Isn't 1.5 the newest> |
| 03:25.47 | konfuzed | nvz: what falvour of voip is that Yak using |
| 03:26.04 | nvz | konfuzed: *shrug* |
| 03:26.05 | CrazyP | nvz, ahh, i this is the first trouble i've had with testing... |
| 03:26.22 | greymonk | How do I get all users to access of my digital camera? |
| 03:26.22 | Coweater | foo: yes, but not in testing, stick with the package manager unless you have a good reason |
| 03:26.27 | abrotman | permissions? suid binary? |
| 03:26.29 | greymonk | the root user can access the camera but not other users. |
| 03:26.36 | foo | Coweater: hm, ok |
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| 03:27.09 | nvz | CrazyP: usually the error with kaffeine means there are other packages you should install.. like when foo referrs to a foo-bar and a foo-baz which are different backends for foo and you are supposed to choose and install one of those instead |
| 03:27.23 | nvz | CrazyP: from my sarge listings of kaffeine this isnt the case here there is only one |
| 03:27.28 | greymonk | abrotman: I don't know what to configure. What are you asking me? |
| 03:27.40 | CrazyP | nvz, yeah, i'll google and see what i can find, then maybe file a bug report |
| 03:27.47 | nima | foo, you can just grab the package from debian unstable |
| 03:27.48 | engineerdat | CrazyP, i think it was removed from testing, http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-changes/2006/02/msg00006.html |
| 03:27.52 | abrotman | greymonk: i'm asking to find out what file do you not have permission from |
| 03:28.35 | xfan | with the 2.6.11 the module name is : snd-intel8x0, but on 2.6.15 i cant find that |
| 03:28.37 | greymonk | I don't know |
| 03:28.44 | greymonk | which file it would be |
| 03:28.44 | abrotman | xfan: you didn't compile it |
| 03:28.51 | abrotman | no idea |
| 03:28.53 | CrazyP | engineerdat, hrmm okay, weird. |
| 03:29.01 | xfan | a kernetl-recompile is the unique solution ? |
| 03:29.02 | abrotman | strace might help |
| 03:29.02 | greymonk | the camera uses usb mass storage |
| 03:29.09 | nima | konfuzed, is this the page you were looking at? http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed |
| 03:29.12 | NOthsouth | where can I find information about KDE custmizations? |
| 03:29.20 | nima | kde.org? |
| 03:29.33 | abrotman | #kde ? |
| 03:29.41 | CrazyP | guess i'll grab from sid and hope the best heh |
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| 03:30.09 | nvz | in Soviet Russia, Sid grabs from you! |
| 03:30.14 | abrotman | bastard! |
| 03:30.18 | nvz | heh |
| 03:30.36 | NOthsouth | I want to customize my bar like that http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/screenshots/verScreenshot.php?codigo=5781 |
| 03:30.46 | konfuzed | nima: yes that is the page with info on where to buy laptops that are fully debian supported even with debian preisntalled. |
| 03:31.12 | konfuzed | nima: that was really for AceSmythe though |
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| 03:31.31 | AceSmythe | moo? |
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| 03:31.44 | morph_ | where are the file managers in icewm? |
| 03:31.45 | xfan | i have that file: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-kanotix-10/alsa/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko |
| 03:31.47 | a431tnt | abrotman: Thanks will try it |
| 03:32.23 | xfan | but on: /lib/modules/2.6.15.2 ... there isnt an "alsa" folder |
| 03:33.08 | morph_ | anyone? |
| 03:33.13 | abrotman | xfan: didn't you compile your kernel ? |
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| 03:33.53 | xfan | i compile the 2.6.15.2 kernel |
| 03:34.01 | xfan | not the 2.6.11 |
| 03:34.21 | abrotman | xfan: why are you asking here about your kanotix problem? |
| 03:34.23 | minimec | morph_: I don't use icewm, but I guess that you have to use software like rox, nautilus, konqueror... or midnight commander. |
| 03:34.46 | xfan | uppsss |
| 03:34.55 | abrotman | xfan: but you should really be asking #kernel |
| 03:35.19 | konfuzed | abrotman: cant xfan tell the new kernel to use the previous drivers |
| 03:35.26 | NOthsouth | sombody know if there is any .deb package for lookingglass ? |
| 03:35.37 | xfan | with a simlink ? |
| 03:35.46 | zebalin4 | xfan: try #kanotix if that is what you are using. They are very helpful there. The debian folks here like to keep their advice limited to sarge, sid, and etch. |
| 03:35.55 | abrotman | konfuzed: probably not .. but he should ask #kernel .. |
| 03:35.56 | zebalin4 | xfan: man ln |
| 03:36.13 | abrotman | !d-i xfan |
| 03:36.13 | dpkg | xfan, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 03:36.56 | packet | does beep media player work with streamtuner under sarge? |
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| 03:40.39 | ejofee | is there any user-friendly gui app which helps in choosing fonts for x11 (preferably also features font preview), also showing their standard x11 syntax? i currently use nedit (a text editor) to do that, but i was wondering whether there was some specialized app. |
| 03:42.09 | sandman | Is there a programming tool that will automatically build a flowchart out of provided code? |
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| 03:43.00 | Thanatermesis | alguien sabe la pagina esa donde estan los drivers de fglrx para debian ? |
| 03:43.06 | sparr | http://www.google.com/search?q=freshmeat+code+flowchart |
| 03:43.07 | Cyorxamp | HI can someone name me a few debian based distro's ? - or maybe a link to a list of them ! |
| 03:43.08 | Cyorxamp | ? |
| 03:43.23 | sparr | debian based? |
| 03:43.24 | sparr | ubuntu |
| 03:43.26 | sparr | kubuntu |
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| 03:43.31 | Cyorxamp | I know of those 2 |
| 03:43.31 | sparr | intimate |
| 03:43.33 | Cyorxamp | I use them :P |
| 03:43.40 | konfuzed | edubuntu |
| 03:43.43 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 03:43.44 | Cyorxamp | intimate - ok will check that out |
| 03:43.47 | Cyorxamp | edubuntu - lol |
| 03:43.53 | Thanatermesis | vale... ya la tengo |
| 03:43.58 | Cyorxamp | any others? |
| 03:44.00 | Thanatermesis | ooops, wrong channel |
| 03:44.06 | sparr | Knoppix |
| 03:44.07 | ejofee | Cyorxamp: xubuntu |
| 03:44.13 | Cyorxamp | xubuntu !!!? |
| 03:44.14 | sparr | Augustux |
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| 03:44.21 | sparr | DemoLinux |
| 03:44.27 | ejofee | Cyorxamp: yes. i am not only kidding. it's also there. |
| 03:44.28 | sparr | Gnoppix |
| 03:44.37 | sparr | LinuxConsole |
| 03:44.45 | packet | edubuntu? wtf |
| 03:44.53 | sparr | packet: educational software |
| 03:44.58 | sparr | like Games-Knoppix :) |
| 03:45.04 | konfuzed | !knoppix |
| 03:45.04 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 03:45.07 | ejofee | Cyorxamp: also mepis, linspire. |
| 03:45.08 | konfuzed | !ubuntu |
| 03:45.09 | dpkg | somebody said ubuntu was not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 03:45.16 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 03:45.18 | Cyorxamp | ok well I am a big fan of Ubuntu - but I am gonna switch to Kubuntu since I think kde might be better for me |
| 03:45.22 | konfuzed | !mepis |
| 03:45.22 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 03:45.24 | Cyorxamp | I am using debian for my server currently |
| 03:45.33 | Cyorxamp | I also use OpenZaurus on my PDA |
| 03:45.41 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros |
| 03:45.53 | konfuzed | !linspire |
| 03:45.53 | dpkg | i heard linspire is a "newbie-friendly" proprietary distribution with some Debian roots, giving KDE and a restricted selection of old packages for $100. it does NOT run windows applications, nor run anyone or anything as root (try Ark Linux for run-as-root) |
| 03:45.55 | ejofee | if ubuntu is not debian then the united states are not a dictatorship! |
| 03:46.04 | ejofee | i mean, wtf?! |
| 03:46.09 | sparr | Cyorxamp: have you used familiar+opie or familiar+gpe with your pda? or intimate (debian based pda distro)? |
| 03:46.09 | Cyorxamp | Might anyone be able to name a debian distro that is best for games perhaps ?? is there even a distro targetting that? |
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| 03:46.10 | abrotman | ubuntu is NOT debian |
| 03:46.12 | gravity | ejofee: Wow... could you troll any harder? |
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| 03:46.16 | yonkeltron | is there a good file analysis utility available? say i had a file and i didn't know anything about it and i wanted to get as much data as possible about it |
| 03:46.21 | Cyorxamp | sparr - OpenZaurus is debian based |
| 03:46.25 | sparr | yonkeltron: "file" |
| 03:46.41 | ejofee | gravity: i guess not. anyone has their own limitations :D |
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| 03:46.51 | Cyorxamp | abrotman - shut the hell up, no one said debian IS ubuntu |
| 03:47.02 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: fuck off and die .. ejofee did |
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| 03:47.29 | ejofee | abrotman: what do you mean i did die? |
| 03:47.39 | Cyorxamp | A debian based distro that is good for gaming? or targets that area more than others? |
| 03:47.45 | Cyorxamp | Does such a thing exist? |
| 03:47.50 | gravity | Cyorxamp: Not to my knowledge |
| 03:48.04 | gravity | It's kind of a stupid idea, imho |
| 03:48.07 | Cyorxamp | Ok... forget gaming - one that focusses more on multimedia |
| 03:48.12 | gravity | Cyorxamp: demudi |
| 03:48.25 | gravity | Don't know if it's alive any more |
| 03:48.29 | _rene_ | gravity: wrt your x.org 7 packages, no -radeon? |
| 03:48.31 | ejofee | Cyorxamp: games konppix |
| 03:48.36 | gravity | _rene_: ati |
| 03:48.46 | _rene_ | gravity: I guessed that but I still wondered |
| 03:48.53 | ejofee | s/konppix/knoppix/ |
| 03:48.54 | konfuzed | ubuntu is not based on debian by coincidence but it is more like a collection of projects on top of debian |
| 03:49.00 | gravity | _rene_: Yeah. That one's well integrated, so it doesn't make sense to split it |
| 03:49.23 | _rene_ | maybe you should write that somehwere ;). since ati and radeon are two drivers in 6.x |
| 03:49.39 | _rene_ | I don't think I am the only one which wonders about that |
| 03:49.45 | Cyorxamp | games knoppix looks somewhat unstable |
| 03:49.59 | gravity | _rene_: Well, ati is the radeon driver for radeon users. It looks at your card and loads the correct driver. |
| 03:49.59 | _rene_ | oh. mmh |
| 03:49.59 | gravity | _rene_: But yeah, I can put that in the package description |
| 03:50.05 | gravity | _rene_: Thanks for the idea |
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| 03:50.14 | Agentj87 | hi all |
| 03:50.34 | GaiaX11 | Is Ubuntu better than debian? |
| 03:50.35 | konfuzed | Cyorxamp: i saw on base on multimedia that even had Myth-TV and content editing in mind |
| 03:50.48 | Cyorxamp | konfuzed - what!? |
| 03:50.55 | konfuzed | cant remember |
| 03:50.56 | gravity | GaiaX11: It's just different. Ask in #ubuntu about ubuntu please. |
| 03:50.58 | konfuzed | yet |
| 03:51.02 | Agentj87 | how do i get a list of processes |
| 03:51.05 | Cyorxamp | no your making no sense |
| 03:51.05 | Agentj87 | to kill one |
| 03:51.06 | gravity | Agentj87: ps -a |
| 03:51.09 | Agentj87 | k |
| 03:51.16 | ejofee | GaiaX11: how dare you ask such a question on #debian?! ;) |
| 03:51.23 | Paivakil | Agentj87: ps -A |
| 03:51.31 | Cyorxamp | GaiaX11 - btw................... yes |
| 03:51.34 | Cyorxamp | :P |
| 03:51.56 | gravity | Wtf... what is this? Troll night? |
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| 03:52.14 | Gnea | !sunday |
| 03:52.14 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 03:52.16 | abrotman | gravity: you realize .. you have the power ... |
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| 03:52.19 | ejofee | gravity :)) |
| 03:52.22 | Cyorxamp | ok let me start over and I'll explain myself more fully..... |
| 03:52.23 | gravity | abrotman: I know |
| 03:52.39 | ejofee | is there any user-friendly gui app which helps in choosing fonts for x11 (preferably also features font preview), also showing their standard x11 syntax? i currently use nedit (a text editor) to do that, but i was wondering whether there was some specialized app. |
| 03:52.39 | avar | gravity: how is "is ubuntu better than debian" any more an ubuntu question than a debian question?;) |
| 03:52.40 | Cyorxamp | I use debian on my server as well it makes sense - a normal base of debian and I only need comand line |
| 03:52.50 | Agentj87 | how do i kill process |
| 03:52.58 | gravity | avar: /msg dpkg better |
| 03:52.59 | Cyorxamp | I use kubuntu as a more 'client' type thing - so I can do more practical things |
| 03:53.00 | abrotman | avar: because people in #ubuntu use ubuntu .. we don't ? |
| 03:53.03 | gravity | ah, fuck ig |
| 03:53.04 | \amethyst | ejofee: gtkfontsel |
| 03:53.05 | ejofee | avar: it's more like an ubuntu question because it's only on #ubuntu that it will get a positive answer. |
| 03:53.08 | gravity | !tell avar about better |
| 03:53.15 | ejofee | \amethyst: thank you! |
| 03:53.19 | Cyorxamp | What debian distro might be better for multimedia (that is about at the same stability as ubuntu) |
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| 03:53.28 | Agentj87 | ? |
| 03:53.29 | ejofee | !tell ejofee about better |
| 03:53.36 | abrotman | holy fuck .. Cyorxamp use debian .. |
| 03:53.39 | avar | gravity: that's irrelivant |
| 03:53.46 | gravity | avar: It's not irrelevant |
| 03:53.56 | gravity | avar: It's the only real answer to such a question |
| 03:54.04 | avar | my point was that it's no more a question for #ubuntu than it is for #debian, it's equally stupid in both channels |
| 03:54.11 | Agentj87 | how do i kill process? |
| 03:54.18 | abrotman | avar: yes it is .. i just told you why |
| 03:54.24 | gravity | avar: That's fine, but I don't really care since Ubuntu is off-topic for #debian |
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| 03:54.28 | \amethyst | Agentj87: killall name or kill PID |
| 03:54.34 | Cyorxamp | enough - this channel has gone sour |
| 03:54.36 | Agentj87 | k |
| 03:54.37 | gravity | avar: If it's an off-topic question for #ubuntu too, then that's fine |
| 03:54.42 | abrotman | yay .. Cyorxamp is leaving! |
| 03:54.45 | packet | for real Cyorxamp it's not like it's any harder to use debian than ubuntu. I used ubuntu for a little bit and then switched over to sarge. all my multimedia needs are being met. name a media type and I can use it. |
| 03:54.51 | gravity | Cyorxamp: I already told you about demudi |
| 03:54.54 | Cyorxamp | stfu abrotman - I never said I was leaving |
| 03:54.58 | gravity | Cyorxamp: That's really the only answer other than "none that I know of" |
| 03:55.14 | abrotman | !tell Cyorxamp about d-i |
| 03:55.18 | packet | debian isn't that hard to get set up. |
| 03:55.34 | abrotman | damn .. i thought we'd be one less |
| 03:55.42 | konfuzed | Cyorxamp: nutttyy i found it google anyway |
| 03:55.55 | Uriel_Darling | Debian is the only one i've successfuly installed ^_^ |
| 03:56.07 | Cyorxamp | I don't care about using debian for multimedia - it's a half hearted hackers piece of trash! |
| 03:56.19 | abrotman | then leave the channel idiot |
| 03:56.30 | avar | abrotman: that probably also applies the other way around |
| 03:56.30 | Cyorxamp | thats it |
| 03:56.35 | amphi | Cyorxamp: shurely you troll? |
| 03:56.45 | packet | then leave already. stop trying to evangilize us to whatever you like. it's obvious you don't really want to use debian so why ask stuff here? |
| 03:56.55 | Cyorxamp | just sick of people saying use debian for multimedia |
| 03:57.01 | abrotman | !tell Cyorxamp about troll |
| 03:57.17 | Cyorxamp | I know flavours of linuxes exist especially because they are more equipt for different things |
| 03:57.18 | abrotman | avar: sure it does .. but many people here have never run ubuntu .. |
| 03:57.19 | amphi | Cyorxamp: what exactly do you mean by multimedia? |
| 03:57.25 | gravity | Cyorxamp: Why not use it for multimedia? |
| 03:57.26 | cisse | wow secpack is amazing, not worrying about security updates ever again |
| 03:57.32 | Cyorxamp | I am just after a linux distro (debian based if poss) thats good for multimedia - out of the box |
| 03:57.36 | avar | abrotman: and many people in #ubuntu have probably never run debian;) |
| 03:57.38 | avar | abrotman: it goes both ways |
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| 03:57.48 | abrotman | gravity: i heard the X packager for debian is bad! |
| 03:57.55 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, he's an ass-hole |
| 03:57.58 | packet | out of the box? like what media? |
| 03:58.01 | dannyp | since when is multimedia a verb? I multimediaed four times today, and that was before breakfast! |
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| 03:58.03 | abrotman | avar: right .. but we can't compare if we've never run it .. it's OT in #debian |
| 03:58.08 | gravity | amphi: Coolness |
| 03:58.15 | Cyorxamp | jeez this place is worse than efnet |
| 03:58.21 | abrotman | so leave |
| 03:58.22 | avar | lol |
| 03:58.24 | dannyp | what are you doing with the multimedia content? just storing it on a harddrive? playing it? editing it? |
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| 03:58.31 | packet | or maybe you just rub the world the wrong way |
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| 03:58.36 | packet | ever thought of that? |
| 03:58.40 | amphi | gravity: yeah, it looks quite decent - first time I've messed with isosurfaces |
| 03:58.42 | avar | debian is totally multimedia aware out of the box |
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| 03:58.51 | avar | you can view all your multimedia with vi |
| 03:58.54 | avar | ah, fucker |
| 03:58.57 | konfuzed | !mythtv |
| 03:58.57 | dpkg | it has been said that mythtv is software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. http://www. mythtv.org. Packages can be found in <marillat>. see <bttv> and I<ivtv> for tuner card drivers |
| 03:59.12 | packet | with vi... that is priceless |
| 03:59.20 | dannyp | avar: after that first statement and before the second, I swear, I was about to burst |
| 03:59.30 | Uriel_Darling | MythTv whats it take to run it?, like cpu wise |
| 03:59.35 | NotLarry | I am installing colinux so I can do some stuff to my kbd free linux workstation. I grabbed the Debian fs, am installing xterm and have come to "Configuring Debconf" not sure what I am doing, what I should select or why:) |
| 03:59.37 | dannyp | I'm really surprised the conversation went that long without defining exactly what he was trying to do |
| 03:59.43 | amphi | avar: I use vim for my rayytracing needs ;) |
| 03:59.44 | konfuzed | 486 |
| 03:59.53 | abrotman | dannyp: it didn't matter .. he didn't want to install debian .. making it OT here |
| 04:00.13 | gravity | dannyp: He doesn't know what he wants to do. Or if he does, he doesn't feel like telling anyone |
| 04:00.22 | abrotman | can someone tell me a distro that includes all the jenna jameson pr0n ? .. i mean . that'd be great! |
| 04:00.24 | dannyp | OT isn't allowed here? |
| 04:00.26 | gravity | He probably just wanted to watch his porn collection |
| 04:00.40 | dondelelcaro | dannyp: not particularly. |
| 04:00.41 | Thanatermesis | im trying to compile the ATI fglrx driver via the deb packages...but dpkg-buildpackage try to download a non-existant file in the server... how i can posible to look the files if the server of ati don't show me ? :/ |
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| 04:01.00 | dondelelcaro | dannyp: it's tolerated to some extent, but if you've been warned, and continue, silencing can ensue. |
| 04:01.09 | avar | abrotman: Lesbian GNU/Linux had something like that |
| 04:01.11 | litage | what's the difference between /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice ? |
| 04:01.24 | abrotman | avar: i was joking and don't really want to know |
| 04:01.30 | dondelelcaro | litage: the former is specific to ps2 devices, the latter is for all input devices. |
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| 04:01.41 | Thanatermesis | dpkg, ati |
| 04:01.41 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 04:01.47 | tktktk | does debian use LD_LIBRARY_PATH? (set | grep LD_LIBRARY_PATH return snothing) |
| 04:01.57 | dondelelcaro | tktktk: man ld.so |
| 04:02.16 | tktktk | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 04:02.20 | sparr | since a recent dist-upgrade my machine has exhibited very unstable tendencies. i cant play 3d games for more than a few minutes without them crashing. half the time when they crash they also take kicker/kwin/kvirc/kded/etc with them, and occasionally the X server restarts. ive upgraded my video card drivers twice now, 8174->8178->8178-2, to no avail. help? |
| 04:02.31 | Thanatermesis | any person knows about the ATI "flavio" way ? |
| 04:02.54 | gravity | sparr: This is with a proprietary video driver? |
| 04:02.56 | avar | sparr: what driver are you using? |
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| 04:03.32 | sparr | gravity: yes. with the oss nv driver i have only one odd behavior, changing virtual terminals (from X to console) takes 3-4 seconds. |
| 04:03.36 | sparr | avar: nvidia |
| 04:03.56 | avar | sparr: try using nv |
| 04:03.58 | konfuzed | ok which one of you put this together http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 04:04.02 | sparr | avar: i have |
| 04:04.14 | abrotman | konfuzed: someone here .. but i won't say who :) |
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| 04:04.20 | avar | well, if the problem goes away then it's an issue with nvidia |
| 04:04.26 | konfuzed | you guys are nutz |
| 04:04.33 | konfuzed | oh wait |
| 04:04.46 | dondelelcaro | no, we're certified insane. We don't use l33t sp34k here. |
| 04:04.50 | sparr | avar: i agree, but ive gotten no help trying to downgrade my drivers so im trying for any other method |
| 04:05.19 | avar | konfuzed: the autopr0n downloader no longer works |
| 04:05.27 | avar | autopr0n is down for quite some time now |
| 04:05.47 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it's all that difficult to operate a sed script to wget... |
| 04:05.57 | Thanatermesis | Fglrx + 6.9 ETCH please ? |
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| 04:07.38 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: you'll have to ask a slightly more complete question... |
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| 04:09.10 | Thanatermesis | dondelelcaro, yes... but i have tried this way for better read me ;) |
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| 04:09.51 | foo | Hmm, bah, I keep getting W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 .. I've done the gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | apt-key add - .. but same error. Any ideas? |
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| 04:10.07 | abrotman | does marillat have a key for sarge? |
| 04:10.08 | dondelelcaro | !apt-key 07DC563D1F41B90 |
| 04:10.08 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 07DC563D1F41B90 ; gpg --export 07DC563D1F41B90 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 04:10.41 | Thanatermesis | dondelelcaro, im trying to compile the fglrx driver for this upgrade of xorg (6.9), using the flavio's way (very good), but when i try to build the package it try's to download the file, and the file (curiously called *6.9*) don't exists... and i only found for versions 6.8 of xorg for download |
| 04:10.43 | foo | gpg: "07DC563D1F41B90" not a key ID: skipping |
| 04:10.45 | dondelelcaro | foo: you should of course check that 07DC563D1F41B90 is actually a valid key for nerim to actually have. |
| 04:10.52 | foo | dondelelcaro: hmm. How do I check that? |
| 04:11.20 | dondelelcaro | foo: try D1F41B90; you should ideally have a trust path to that key. |
| 04:11.42 | foo | dondelelcaro: Trust path? Hmm. |
| 04:11.46 | foo | gpgkeys: key D1F41B90 not found on keyserver |
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| 04:12.32 | dondelelcaro | foo: well, then that key doesn't exist on the server; you'll have to find it somewhere else, or bug nerim. |
| 04:12.49 | Thanatermesis | dondelelcaro, better ? :) |
| 04:13.01 | Thanatermesis | aparently no any person has ATI on etch running FGLRX :/ |
| 04:13.10 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: what is the full output of whatever script it is that is actually running? |
| 04:13.43 | Thanatermesis | dondelelcaro, its a "rules" from a source pacakge... and it try download a file (rpm) to actually don't exists |
| 04:13.56 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: meh? the rules file shouldn't be doing that. |
| 04:14.07 | Thanatermesis | i can posible to modify the rules file but... the file to try to download is... |
| 04:14.11 | Thanatermesis | fglrx_6_9_0-8.19.10-1.i386.rpm |
| 04:14.18 | Thanatermesis | 6_9 <-- |
| 04:14.29 | sparr | can anyone help me downgrade my nvidia drivers using the debian packages and module-assistant? |
| 04:14.30 | Thanatermesis | and the only of i found on the ATI's site is a 6_8 |
| 04:14.44 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: well, see what files actually exist there, and substitue the proper one; it's also possible that ati hasn't built the 6.9 ones |
| 04:14.54 | Thanatermesis | oh yes dondelelcaro... is a very good rules :) |
| 04:15.18 | _rene_ | Thanatermesis: welcome in the world of non-free, not yet updated for reality software ;) |
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| 04:15.32 | Thanatermesis | yes... this is my problem... i don't know/think to it builds and runs properly on the 6.9 version of xorg... :/ |
| 04:15.45 | Thanatermesis | hehehe _rene_ |
| 04:17.09 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: well, you can always just run 6.8; but we really can't do much about it. You could also try bugging ATI. |
| 04:17.44 | sparr | (Reading database ... 372782 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 04:18.18 | Thanatermesis | dondelelcaro, im rebuilding because the old don't works... im recompiling now.. maybe works.. maybe no... i don't know... coming soon we know :) |
| 04:18.29 | foo | The DISPLAY variable is not set. You should either login to as root or use the command "su" with no flags, to make sure setup has an X display to use.- any ideas on this error? I do su and enter root pass and then I get this: Setup requires an X display to run. There is a display variable set, however you have no permissions to access the X server (:0.0) it points to. Try running xhost +localhost before su'ing to root. |
| 04:18.46 | Thanatermesis | 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file firegl_public.c.rej |
| 04:18.48 | Thanatermesis | ouch! |
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| 04:19.45 | sparr | I need to get a ~1 month old copy of the nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx packages. Where can I get them? |
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| 04:20.19 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 04:20.19 | dpkg | it has been said that sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problem. |
| 04:20.53 | avar | is dpkg russian? |
| 04:21.06 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 04:21.06 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 04:21.34 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: sdn =~ s/problem/problems/ |
| 04:21.34 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 04:21.34 | avar | dpkg: blootbot |
| 04:21.35 | dpkg | it has been said that blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
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| 04:21.47 | dondelelcaro | avar: you can /msg the bot... |
| 04:22.07 | sparr | abrotman: sdn is having trouble finding nvidia-kernel-source or nvidia-glx |
| 04:22.20 | abrotman | maybe he doesn't put non-free there? |
| 04:22.40 | sparr | never mind |
| 04:22.44 | sparr | its just broken web forms |
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| 04:24.10 | sparr | or broken firefox |
| 04:24.21 | sparr | i guess i need to go read the html specs before i decide who to email |
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| 04:24.55 | sparr | no doctype... html4 is in vogue, yes? |
| 04:25.19 | abrotman | sparr: PEBKAC |
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| 04:26.59 | sparr | ok, seems to be a firefox bug |
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| 04:30.39 | sparr | abrotman: PEBBAW |
| 04:30.43 | sparr | browser and website |
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| 04:32.47 | stumbles | hi, i've just re-installed Testing, but don't seem to have all the options i used to have in Gnome's Keyboard Preferences > Layout Options. I used to use the one that made Caps Lock an extra Ctrl key. Anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 04:33.53 | junix-other | i need to change my default website on apache2 in sarge...how do i do that? |
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| 04:34.46 | simplex | There's a few packages I'm having trouble finding. I'm not sure if it's because I need something else in my sources.list or not. But does anyone else have libxfont in their repositories? If so, what are you running? (stable, unstable, testing)? |
| 04:34.47 | Psi-Jack | Is there a package like libsasl2-modules-ldap, or something that has the ldap modules for sasl? |
| 04:36.15 | dondelelcaro | !+info libxfont1 |
| 04:36.16 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:36.21 | dpkg | Package 'libxfont1' does not exist. |
| 04:36.27 | simplex | !+info libxfont |
| 04:36.29 | dpkg | Package 'libxfont' does not exist. |
| 04:36.48 | sparr | awww, no more abrotman? |
| 04:36.54 | dondelelcaro | !+info libxfont1 experimental |
| 04:36.56 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:36.57 | sparr | turns out SDN has a bad form |
| 04:36.57 | dpkg | libxfont1: (X11 font rasterisation library), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.0-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 221 kB, Installed size: 480 kB |
| 04:37.00 | sparr | not firefox's fault |
| 04:37.06 | sparr | guess i should email whoever does the html there |
| 04:37.10 | stumbles | hey luke |
| 04:37.12 | gravity | No one should be running libxfont1 in Debian yet |
| 04:37.14 | simplex | !+info libxfont unstable |
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| 04:37.15 | dpkg | Package 'libxfont' does not exist. |
| 04:37.21 | simplex | !+info libxfont1 unstable |
| 04:37.22 | dpkg | Package 'libxfont1' does not exist. |
| 04:37.22 | gravity | Not for a least a week or two |
| 04:37.26 | gravity | simplex: It's not in unstable |
| 04:37.30 | gravity | I haven't put it there yet |
| 04:37.34 | gravity | Geez |
| 04:37.39 | simplex | gravity: just wondering. Thanks. |
| 04:37.39 | dondelelcaro | gravity: you lazy bastard! ;-) |
| 04:37.44 | gravity | dondelelcaro: :-) |
| 04:38.05 | Psi-Jack | Anyone? :) |
| 04:38.11 | Psi-Jack | Is there a package like libsasl2-modules-ldap, or something that has the ldap modules for sasl? |
| 04:38.19 | simplex | How well does experimental run? From what I've heard, there aren't many problems with it. |
| 04:38.34 | gravity | simplex: You shouldn't run that library yet |
| 04:38.35 | gravity | It's not ready |
| 04:38.36 | dondelelcaro | simplex: depends totally on the package in question. |
| 04:38.39 | gravity | You'll break your X |
| 04:38.55 | simplex | gravity: I see. What I'm trying to do is install xgl. |
| 04:39.00 | gravity | simplex: Have fun |
| 04:39.08 | simplex | And it requires that apparently :-/ |
| 04:39.10 | gravity | simplex: #xgl will probably be of more use to you |
| 04:39.36 | simplex | gravity: Well if I can't run that library yet I should probably just wait anyways. |
| 04:39.55 | simplex | Thanks for the information. |
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| 04:44.02 | Non-compliant | i'm getting authentication errors on the packages dash, cramfsprogs, and initrd-tools from ftp.us.debian.org as i try to do a netinstall with etch |
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| 04:44.34 | Non-compliant | should i force apt-get to use them anyway or should i be worried about the state of the repository |
| 04:44.35 | Non-compliant | ? |
| 04:44.41 | RedDrag0n | greetings, what parameter in fstab should I put in Type for mounting Fat32 drives without getting the 8-character-max limit ? |
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| 04:44.59 | SerajewelKS | Non-compliant: install the 2006 key and update again |
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| 04:45.39 | SerajewelKS | RedDrag0n: mount as vfat instead of auto |
| 04:45.43 | Non-compliant | SerajewelKS: can i do this from within the etch installer shell? i'm not yet familiar with the gpg authentication of packages |
| 04:45.46 | RedDrag0n | SerajewelKS, thanks :D |
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| 04:45.53 | SerajewelKS | !tell Non-compliant about 2006 key |
| 04:46.08 | SerajewelKS | Non-compliant: the etch installer should have the key, i would think... |
| 04:46.46 | Thanatermesis | _rene_ i have like your words of "welcome to the world of non-free"... i need to explain now about this problem.. can you posible to recomends me about a good link/howto/text where explains WHY don't use propietary hardware and all this things ? (the tipical story for the ppl to not knows about all this) |
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| 04:47.38 | _rene_ | Thanatermesis: because it's a) not free b) you cannot change/fix it c) the ati aand nvidia drivers are buggy d) they let you run into situations like these |
| 04:47.54 | dagbrown | c) is actually the weakest argument |
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| 04:48.10 | _rene_ | it's not like the release of x 6.9 was a surprise |
| 04:48.15 | gravity | hehe |
| 04:48.20 | dagbrown | A good argument is "you're at the mercy of your vendor, which is not a good place to be". |
| 04:48.22 | SerajewelKS | agreed, the nvidia drivers have no problems over here |
| 04:48.31 | _rene_ | dagbrown: that's d) |
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| 04:49.16 | evilbulgarian | hi, is a file server ram intensive mainly nfs/samba |
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| 04:49.30 | rigger | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.36 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 04:49.51 | xeltran | hi |
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| 04:50.22 | SerajewelKS | evilbulgarian: not really |
| 04:50.56 | evilbulgarian | SerajewelKS: thanks |
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| 04:51.46 | xmat | hi!!! guys |
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| 04:51.53 | junix-other | i need to change my default website on apache2 in sarge...how do i do that? |
| 04:52.03 | BrianHV | do the mailing lists accept posts from non-subscribers? I just accidentally sent a message from my non-public address |
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| 04:54.06 | SimonRaven | BrianHV: yes they do. you're fucked |
| 04:55.43 | BrianHV | rats. |
| 04:55.48 | SimonRaven | you could pester the ML admins but they're not likely to do it (a lot of trouble) |
| 04:56.06 | BrianHV | oh well. guess it's time for me to install spamassassin |
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| 04:56.23 | SimonRaven | change addie, install SA |
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| 04:58.10 | danguer | Hi fellows, I'm trying to install debian into my nForce 6100 motherboard. I'm downloading the latest netinst from the page but I want to know if the ethernet is now recognized, or if you know how to setup this ethernet. Regards, |
| 04:59.43 | SimonRaven | uh, yeh. |
| 05:00.10 | xmat | hi!!!! |
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| 05:01.37 | AceSmythe | anyone here have a new laptop? |
| 05:01.48 | AceSmythe | and pay less than $1500 on it |
| 05:01.52 | SimonRaven | ooh, i see. |
| 05:01.56 | SimonRaven | no, no |
| 05:01.57 | AceSmythe | and run on an nvidia chipset? |
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| 05:02.29 | AceSmythe | i need to buy a new laptop, but i know not which one to buy |
| 05:02.30 | simplex | gravity: I figure I'm going to try to upgrade to experimental and try out installing that package to see if I can get the xgl server working. If it breaks, oh well, I can just remove it and reinstall xorg I guess. |
| 05:02.44 | gravity | simplex: It's your machine |
| 05:03.00 | simplex | yeah. Figure it's for learning anyways. might as well break it every now and then. |
| 05:03.11 | gravity | Cool. Well, have fun with it then! |
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| 05:03.33 | SimonRaven | AceSmythe: one that's supported by linux - completely |
| 05:03.51 | Psi-Jack | Is there a package like libsasl2-modules-ldap, or something that has the ldap modules for sasl? |
| 05:04.28 | SimonRaven | Psi-Jack: no |
| 05:04.34 | Psi-Jack | Dangit. :/ |
| 05:04.37 | Non-compliant | SerajewelKS: i don't seem to have either gpg or sudo available on the etch shell's environment, as dpkg's message would seem to indicate i need |
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| 05:04.42 | SimonRaven | there is no LDAP mech |
| 05:05.01 | Psi-Jack | SimonRaven: Cyrus-SASL does have the auxprop plugin, ldapdb. |
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| 05:05.11 | Psi-Jack | It's not a mech, but a module. |
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| 05:05.20 | SimonRaven | that's not a sasl mech |
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| 05:05.37 | Psi-Jack | SimonRaven: Obviously, you don't know Cyrus-SASL very well. |
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| 05:05.47 | SimonRaven | that's not a sasl mech |
| 05:05.58 | SimonRaven | you don't know the spec very well |
| 05:06.05 | Psi-Jack | SimonRaven: And.. At what point, did I ask for a ldap mech? |
| 05:06.07 | Agentj87 | i need sum help, how do i extract a .tar file |
| 05:06.08 | Agentj87 | ? |
| 05:06.23 | SimonRaven | when you asked for a libsasl2-modules-ldap |
| 05:06.32 | Psi-Jack | SimonRaven: That's asking for a module, NOT a mech. |
| 05:06.36 | SimonRaven | !tar |
| 05:06.36 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 05:07.02 | ke6isf | Agentj87: You need the result of addition help? |
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| 05:07.08 | Psi-Jack | SimonRaven: There is libsasl2-modules-sql, which handles PostgreSQL and MySQL, but there seems to be nothing for the ldapdb part of cyrus-sasl. |
| 05:07.19 | SimonRaven | those packages are for mechs, not modules (wtf you mean by that) |
| 05:07.32 | Psi-Jack | SimonRaven: libsasl2-modules-sql != mech |
| 05:07.47 | xmat | pano ba ito!!! |
| 05:07.53 | SimonRaven | didn't *that* was |
| 05:07.58 | SimonRaven | say* |
| 05:08.07 | xmat | sumbody chat nyo naman ako!!! |
| 05:08.17 | SimonRaven | shut up please |
| 05:08.24 | ke6isf | wha?... |
| 05:08.36 | Psi-Jack | SimonRaven: So, basically, you're just putting words in my mouth that don't exist, and being an ass. I see. Thank you. |
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| 05:10.22 | Agentj87 | ty |
| 05:10.26 | SimonRaven | Psi-Jack: ok i misunderstood you, but it's not a reason to be bitchy to me about it |
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| 05:11.10 | Psi-Jack | SimonRaven: Heh. You insisted on it. I asked a very specific question, and got the run around, by you. Sorry, but that's even ruder than just not answering, to me. |
| 05:11.30 | sanxiyn | Today I got fontconfig-config installed. |
| 05:11.39 | sanxiyn | I just thought that name sounds funny. |
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| 05:11.58 | Non-compliant | SerajewelKS: are you saying that gpg and sudo are in a tarball on the etch CD? |
| 05:12.25 | Psi-Jack | Right now, the only alternative to Cyrus-SASL without the ldapdb module, is to go through pam-ldap, which is a very nasty way to have to do it. :/ |
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| 05:13.28 | AceSmythe | SimonRaven: do you have a suggestion? |
| 05:13.29 | Agentj87 | «tarzeau» Skipping to next header |
| 05:13.29 | Agentj87 | «tarzeau» Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers |
| 05:13.30 | Agentj87 | «tarzeau» Skipping to next header |
| 05:13.30 | Agentj87 | «tarzeau» Error exit delayed from previous errors |
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| 05:13.35 | sparr | After a recent dist-upgrade I find my system to be unstable, especially when playing 3D games. Games crash after less than 10 minutes, and sometimes they take down most of my running X apps with them (firefox, kicker, kwin, kvirc), and occasionally the whole X server restarts or the machine locks up totally. |
| 05:13.36 | sparr | I am now, after downgrading again, using the same nvidia driver and kernel as before the instability stated. Any insight as to possible other culprits would be appreciated. |
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| 05:13.38 | Agentj87 | ops |
| 05:13.49 | Agentj87 | i got an error extractin tar |
| 05:13.58 | Agentj87 | «tarzeau» Skipping to next header |
| 05:13.58 | Agentj87 | «tarzeau» Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers |
| 05:14.03 | ke6isf | Agentj87: What was the error? |
| 05:14.04 | Agentj87 | oops |
| 05:14.17 | Agentj87 | «tarzeau» Skipping to next header |
| 05:14.17 | Agentj87 | «tarzeau» Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 05:14.24 | Agentj87 | tar. |
| 05:14.25 | dondelelcaro | Agentj87: stop that please. |
| 05:14.25 | sanxiyn | Agentj87: Maybe corrupt tarfile. |
| 05:14.29 | Agentj87 | k sorry |
| 05:14.34 | ke6isf | !tell Agentj87 -about flood |
| 05:14.45 | Agentj87 | ugh |
| 05:15.06 | ke6isf | Agentj87: What does file tell you about the package? |
| 05:15.13 | SimonRaven | AceSmythe: read what the bot said |
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| 05:16.46 | simplex | What's the name of the experimental verison of debian again? |
| 05:16.47 | gee | jos ko pano ba to!!! |
| 05:16.53 | dondelelcaro | simplex: experimental... |
| 05:17.18 | simplex | dondelelcaro: No code name? |
| 05:17.26 | ke6isf | gee: Would you please stop that? |
| 05:17.44 | dondelelcaro | simplex: there's no code name. |
| 05:18.02 | simplex | Ah okay. |
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| 05:18.29 | dondelelcaro | simplex: primarily because it isn't even a real version. It's just a place where experimental packages go. It's quite likely to not be installable or have massive conflicts with itself. |
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| 05:19.59 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Eh, really? |
| 05:20.04 | simplex | dondelelcaro: Oh okay I see. |
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| 05:20.37 | sanxiyn | "uninstallable" sounds bad even for experimental... |
| 05:20.55 | sanxiyn | eh, not installable, i mean. |
| 05:21.31 | smegol | lilo my nick is smegol i've been wandering smeagol hasn't been on for 47 weeks and some days could i get his nick ? |
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| 05:23.16 | ke6isf | smegol: Give it a try. If listserv doesn't complain, it's likely yours. |
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| 05:23.24 | ke6isf | smegol: Oops.... s/list/nick |
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| 05:24.26 | Agentj87 | «ke6isf» my sg about the tar is...Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers |
| 05:24.30 | Agentj87 | msg* |
| 05:24.46 | ke6isf | Agentj87: OK, so what does file say about the package? |
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| 05:25.12 | Prudhvi | Hi is Gnome 2.12 in Sid or Etch ? |
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| 05:25.32 | mansu | hi all |
| 05:25.41 | mansu | has anyone tried using spe on debian unstable? |
| 05:26.10 | ke6isf | Agentj87: Vaguely important, what is in this tarball that you're trying to unpack? |
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| 05:27.06 | Agentj87 | tarball |
| 05:27.09 | Agentj87 | what u mean |
| 05:27.12 | Agentj87 | << a noob |
| 05:27.20 | sanxiyn | Agentj87: Whatever archive you're trying to extract. |
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| 05:27.36 | sanxiyn | Agentj87: Let's say, the archive file is named xyz. What does "file xyz" print? |
| 05:27.39 | Agentj87 | eric.clapton-back.home.tar |
| 05:27.52 | Agentj87 | folder it prints is |
| 05:28.00 | Agentj87 | Eric_Clapton-Back_Home-2005-XXL |
| 05:28.10 | Gnea | !noob |
| 05:28.10 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 05:28.10 | ke6isf | Agentj87: So that's the name of the file? What does "file eric.clapton-back.home.tar" result in? |
| 05:28.23 | yos87 | hi |
| 05:28.33 | cheal | Prudhvi: in both (partly) |
| 05:28.46 | sanxiyn | yos87: aiya |
| 05:28.51 | ytan | !help |
| 05:29.03 | ke6isf | Agentj87: Also, a tarball is any archive that is packaged with the tar command. In short, it's what you're attempting to unpack. |
| 05:29.03 | Gnea | !tell ytan -about ask |
| 05:29.30 | Agentj87 | ok |
| 05:30.00 | Agentj87 | «ke6isf» "file eric.clapton-back.home.tar" results in Eric_Clapton-Back_Home-2005-XXL dir |
| 05:30.08 | Agentj87 | where the mp3s are |
| 05:30.52 | ke6isf | Agentj87: Copy and paste the results of the file command as I gave it to you, please. |
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| 05:31.45 | ke6isf | Agentj87: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 05:32.02 | Prudhvi | !etch |
| 05:32.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
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| 05:33.08 | Agentj87 | k |
| 05:33.17 | Agentj87 | im not sure what version |
| 05:33.48 | Agentj87 | «ke6isf» eric.clapton-back.home.tar: POSIX tar archive |
| 05:33.53 | Agentj87 | is the result after command |
| 05:34.04 | ke6isf | Agentj87: OK, thanks. |
| 05:34.33 | ke6isf | Agentj87: Try 'tar --old-archive -xvf eric.clapton-back.home.tar' and see what that does. If that doesn't work, your file is hosed. |
| 05:35.44 | Agentj87 | «ke6isf» its extracting |
| 05:35.52 | ke6isf | Agentj87: Successfully? |
| 05:36.01 | Agentj87 | Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 05:36.06 | Agentj87 | crap |
| 05:36.12 | Agentj87 | so bad file? |
| 05:36.27 | ke6isf | Agentj87: That means that there was an error in the file somewhere, but it wasn't enough to kill the extraction. Odds are good that your file is otherwise fine. |
| 05:36.59 | Agentj87 | so the files are there? |
| 05:37.08 | ke6isf | Agentj87: When you get that, that means that somewhere in the output there is the error itself - and that's much more useful than telling me that there are errors delayed. |
| 05:37.14 | ke6isf | Agentj87: I don't know, are the files there? |
| 05:37.44 | Agentj87 | looks like it |
| 05:37.51 | Agentj87 | files are big enuff |
| 05:37.57 | ke6isf | Agentj87: See if they're valid. Play them ,see what they do. |
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| 05:38.30 | Agentj87 | i dont know how to play em on nix |
| 05:38.40 | Agentj87 | lemme transfer one or 2 to my box |
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| 05:40.14 | litle-fish | i configure bad the xfree86 desktop someone knows where is the command to change the monitor frequency |
| 05:40.23 | ke6isf | !drxx litle-fish |
| 05:40.23 | litle-fish | after debian instalation |
| 05:40.23 | dpkg | litle-fish: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:40.37 | litle-fish | thanks p |
| 05:40.39 | litle-fish | o0 |
| 05:40.40 | litle-fish | 0o |
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| 05:43.11 | Agentj87 | «ke6isf» there are files missing from the tarball |
| 05:43.32 | ke6isf | Agentj87: Then the tarball is hosed. Try getting it again. |
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| 05:46.53 | Agentj87 | k |
| 05:46.57 | Agentj87 | thanks for ur help tho |
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| 05:48.01 | Gnesh | If I symlinked a directory on a fat32 partition to /tmp - would it cause issues for linux apps to be using /tmp ? |
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| 05:49.52 | devazion | Gnesh: Your temporary files will have no owner and group... |
| 05:50.06 | Gnesh | Exactly - so... problematic? |
| 05:50.30 | devazion | Gnesh: No idea... It should work! |
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| 05:51.10 | tarzeau | Agentj87: ? |
| 05:51.19 | Agentj87 | sorry |
| 05:51.24 | Gnesh | Anyone in here see a problem with that idea?! |
| 05:51.28 | Agentj87 | everytime i types tar. ur name came up |
| 05:51.37 | sanxiyn | Gnesh: I don't. |
| 05:51.38 | stumbles | Gnesh: what your saying is that /tmp is on a regular filesytem (ext2/3, reiser) and you have a symlink on one of your fat drives, right? |
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| 05:52.11 | Gnesh | No. |
| 05:52.22 | sanxiyn | stumbles: It sounds like the directory is on fat, and /tmp is linked to that directory. |
| 05:52.34 | Gnesh | Exactly |
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| 05:53.21 | stumbles | that sounds like you have a fat drive mounted to /tmp, rather than symlinked |
| 05:53.27 | Gnesh | I know having /home as FAT32 would be fatal - but I am wondering about /tmp |
| 05:53.42 | Gnesh | stumbles - No thats not what I said |
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| 05:54.41 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:54.41 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:54.54 | ipso | I just tried to upgrade a package with apt-get, and I got this error: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured, whats the best way to proceed? |
| 05:55.07 | stumbles | Gnesh: if all you have done is created a symlink, then no, it won't affect anything |
| 05:55.24 | sanxiyn | !popcorn |
| 05:55.24 | Gnesh | stumbles - I do not think you understand |
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| 05:56.43 | stumbles | Gnesh: how bout you explain then? do you mean that /tmp *is* a link? |
| 05:56.57 | Gnesh | Yes |
| 05:57.03 | Gnesh | for example... |
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| 05:57.26 | Gnesh | - /tmp is a symlink to /mnt/part4/linux |
| 05:57.39 | Gnesh | - /mnt/part4 is a mount to a FAT32 partition |
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| 05:59.47 | akira | i'm trying to install mythgame (plugin for xmame), but their is no package for it, so i downloaded xmame, compiled and installed, and now debian won't install mythgame, it says it's not installed, how do i force the install? |
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| 06:01.44 | sanxiyn | akira: There is no package for... what? |
| 06:01.56 | akira | xmame |
| 06:02.09 | sanxiyn | Ah, "it" refers to xmame, not mythgame? |
| 06:02.22 | Gnesh | stumbles - you given up trying to understand? |
| 06:02.23 | akira | yea, xmame is a broken dependency. |
| 06:02.31 | sanxiyn | akira: xmame is in non-free. |
| 06:02.37 | akira | so i dl'ed the source and compiled it. |
| 06:02.59 | sanxiyn | It isn't a broken dependency. It's in non-free, because, well, it is. |
| 06:03.35 | akira | oh. non-free? does that mean non-gnu? or pay, because i dl'ed it, compiled it, and installed it with no issue |
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| 06:03.51 | dondelelcaro | akira: it means that it's not Free Software but Debian can distribute it. |
| 06:03.53 | sanxiyn | akira: I mean, non-free section of the Debian archive. |
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| 06:04.45 | akira | thanks. found the package in non-free, apt'ing it now |
| 06:04.52 | sanxiyn | yeah |
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| 06:05.20 | sanxiyn | It's rather unfortunate, but like povray, it will likely stay there... |
| 06:05.34 | Gnesh | If /mnt/hda4/linux is a dir on a FAT32 part - Can I symlink /tmp to that dir and things still work? |
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| 06:05.52 | parte | Hi |
| 06:06.00 | parte | whats the best distri? |
| 06:06.09 | amphi | !best |
| 06:06.09 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 06:08.04 | ejofee | why do i see some fonts in kde which i don't see in x11? |
| 06:08.24 | ejofee | and, btw, how do i make my fonts render more nicely but without using the silly antialias? |
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| 06:08.56 | Loof | Anyone know if dhcp-client 3.0.3 (or 3.0.4b) fix the 'bug' that causes it to configure ALL interfaces no matter what you specify on the commandline? |
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| 06:10.05 | Sonny | can you tell me a good image editor? |
| 06:10.12 | noiesmo | looking for help on scsi devices and termeination info anyone can help? |
| 06:10.14 | amphi | Sonny: gimp |
| 06:10.17 | m1ke_l | the gimp for imaging |
| 06:10.17 | stumbles | Gnesh: well earlier you said you linked *to* /tmp -- please try and get your terminology right the first time so people don't have to try and figure out what you really mean. If you don't care about the permissions, then i agree that it should work. But realise that if you delete the original /tmp, you may have problems with applications that are currently running. |
| 06:10.18 | Sonny | ty |
| 06:10.33 | sanxiyn | Sonny: krita is also promising. |
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| 06:10.49 | m1ke_l | sonny: also imagemagick has good tools, too |
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| 06:11.41 | sanxiyn | Sonny: I also like http://www.eecs.wsu.edu/paint.net/ but they don't seem to care much about Mono. |
| 06:11.55 | sanxiyn | Sonny: But it's a free software, and a good one to use on Windows if you don't like Gimp interface on Windows. |
| 06:11.59 | myren | weird, i'm banned from #web. I dont recall instigating anything today? |
| 06:12.29 | m1ke_l | gimp on windows crashes alot for me |
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| 06:13.12 | sanxiyn | m1ke_l: Try Paint.NET. (MIT license) |
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| 06:14.49 | ipso | I have postinstall script that is failing, anyone know how i Can turn on some debugging to see whats going on? |
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| 06:15.06 | Davey_afk | shut up don't talk. |
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| 06:15.15 | Davey_afk | munkee is here? isn't he a rnd irr? |
| 06:15.16 | dondelelcaro | Davey_afk: ? |
| 06:15.21 | m1ke_l | hello to you too davey |
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| 06:15.27 | sanxiyn | (However, from their FAQ: "We will not be doing any work to directly support Mono, or any other .NET implementation.") |
| 06:15.27 | Davey_afk | goddammit, not this fag again |
| 06:15.31 | Davey_afk | get lost already |
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| 06:16.09 | narki | wtf? |
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| 06:16.29 | narki | uh... asshole? |
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| 06:16.55 | sanxiyn | ... what's going on? |
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| 06:17.27 | m1ke_l | i think narki called davey the a**, not you dondelelcaro |
| 06:17.33 | m1ke_l | but oh, well...im going to bed. |
| 06:18.00 | dondelelcaro | clearly people don't notice the precense or absence of "" |
| 06:18.49 | jm_ | that person has been trolling here for past few weeks, it's not the first time |
| 06:18.55 | Phated | Which? |
| 06:19.14 | jm_ | Davey_afk |
| 06:19.21 | Phated | Ah. |
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| 06:21.02 | ke6isf | jm_: That's not trolling, that's just outright being a schmuck. |
| 06:21.22 | cakoose | How do I force dpkg to think that I have a package installed? I had to forcefully install Skype because it required libqt3c102-mt even though libqt3-mt seems to work fine. But now apt-get is complaining about it. |
| 06:21.30 | markybob | equivs |
| 06:21.54 | stumbles | \msg dpkg equivs |
| 06:22.02 | cakoose | thx |
| 06:22.06 | stumbles | whoops |
| 06:22.21 | stumbles | dang slashes |
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| 06:23.19 | dagbrown | Weird |
| 06:23.52 | dagbrown | I got a Sarge box complaining that I can't install libncurses5-dev because the installed non-dev version is newer than the available -dev version. |
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| 06:24.51 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: that sounds like you've installed a backported libncurses5 or something from testing. |
| 06:25.10 | dagbrown | dondelelcaro: I'm not sure what other people have been doing to this box :) |
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| 06:25.30 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: apt-cache policy libncurses5; should clue you in to what's going on. |
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| 06:26.24 | dagbrown | It says /var/lib/dpkg/status is has a different version than what http://ftp.jp.debian.org sarg/main says. |
| 06:27.07 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: right, that means that someone has installed a version that's not from sarge. Install the sarge version, and then you can install the -dev package. |
| 06:27.12 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: then beat down whoever did it. |
| 06:27.23 | dagbrown | Okay, how do I force it to install the sarge version? I already have my baseball bat handy. |
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| 06:27.42 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: use aptitude, or apt-get install libncurses5=5.4-4 |
| 06:27.42 | parte | ho |
| 06:27.54 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: man apt-get; and read about the install section for complete details. |
| 06:27.58 | parte | which cds i need to get, office, kde, some games.. |
| 06:28.06 | dondelelcaro | !cd contents |
| 06:28.06 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 06:28.08 | parte | and some media players |
| 06:28.19 | dondelelcaro | parte: if you've got a decent network connection you don |
| 06:28.24 | dagbrown | dondelelcaro: The apt-get install libncurses5=5.4-4 line wants to delete a bunch of stuff! |
| 06:28.37 | dondelelcaro | parte: don't need any of them; just get a netinst installer... |
| 06:28.47 | parte | ye |
| 06:28.53 | parte | the first cd right? |
| 06:29.05 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: hrm... that sounds like this machine has been partially upgraded to etch or similar. what version of libncurses5 was actually installed? |
| 06:29.05 | ke6isf | !tell parte -about netinst |
| 06:29.20 | markybob | parte, http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 06:29.31 | Paivakil | default compiler on unstable in gcc4.0.3? |
| 06:29.35 | dagbrown | dondelelcaro: It has libncurses 5.5-1. |
| 06:29.38 | Paivakil | s/in/is |
| 06:29.49 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: yeah, that's either unstable or testing.. |
| 06:29.53 | dagbrown | Oop |
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| 06:30.15 | Redbibi | hi |
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| 06:30.50 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: anyway, your best bet is to reinstall if that's trivial and you want to run stable; otherwise, you can just walk through the packages, downgrading them to the versions that are actually in stable. |
| 06:30.52 | dagbrown | Well, the box says "sarge" in /etc/apt/sources.list, is there any way to force it to regularize itself? |
| 06:31.06 | dagbrown | Oh no, reinstalling is definitely not trivial. There's bunches o' stuff on this server. |
| 06:31.13 | _unstable | Can someone explain locales not being upgraded when I issue dist-upgrade, I read the bts about glibc fixing this issue with the new version..and other stuff...but I still don't understand what caused this.(there is no problem with my system at all, this is just curiousity to understand the bts/why it happened I don't care) |
| 06:31.19 | jm_ | some server it is ;) |
| 06:31.22 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: then forcibly downgrading using aptitude or similar. |
| 06:31.40 | dondelelcaro | _unstable: what about them not being upgraded? |
| 06:31.55 | dagbrown | dondelelcaro: Guh, what do I have to tell aptitude to get it to do that? |
| 06:32.00 | _unstable | dondelelcaro: I've been reading the bts, and a bunch of people are saying different things.. is it because of glibc? |
| 06:32.05 | dagbrown | Bear in mind that apt-* commands are way more my speed :P |
| 06:32.13 | dondelelcaro | _unstable: which bugs in particular are you talking about? |
| 06:32.36 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: the advantage of using aptitude is that you can walk through all of the packages, manually downgrading those that need to be downgraded. |
| 06:32.53 | dagbrown | dondelelcaro: I was hoping for something a little less arduous than that. |
| 06:33.18 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: well, you can also do it using pinning; /msg dpkg downgrade; for complete details. |
| 06:33.43 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: but it'll still take a bit of manual wacking to get it to work. We don't support downgrades since it's basically impossible to support... |
| 06:33.46 | _unstable | dondelelcaro: When I do "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" for the last week, it says "the following packages have been kept back: locales" |
| 06:33.52 | dagbrown | dondelelcaro: dpkg just told me I can't do that. |
| 06:34.45 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: see http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 06:35.19 | dondelelcaro | _unstable: if the package is being kept back, it means that it can't be installed because it depends on some package which is not yet available. It's not really a big dela. |
| 06:35.23 | dagbrown | Actually: couldn't I use the source build thingy to roll my own? The point of this exercise actually being to have a libreadline5-dev that works. |
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| 06:36.02 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: well, if you didn't care that the packages which you've got installed won't have security updates, you can get the libncurses5-dev from unstable and just install it. |
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| 06:36.13 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: but if it were my server, I wouldn't run it like that. |
| 06:36.24 | dagbrown | dondelelcaro: Not to worry, it's only a little dev server. |
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| 06:36.33 | dagbrown | It never sees the light of the Internet. |
| 06:36.43 | sanxiyn | dagbrown: Set stable to priority over 1000 and upgrade. |
| 06:36.54 | AceSmythe | wtf? a duo core and single core processor of the same ghz is an $80 difference? |
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| 06:37.05 | dagbrown | sanxiyn: What? how do I do that? |
| 06:37.12 | AceSmythe | is there ANY difference? |
| 06:37.18 | Gnea | AceSmythe: that's right. |
| 06:37.23 | sanxiyn | dagbrown: It's on the link dondelelcaro posted... |
| 06:37.28 | sanxiyn | dagbrown: Basically, man apt_preferences |
| 06:37.29 | Gnea | AceSmythe: yes, one has two cores, the other is a uniprocessor |
| 06:37.31 | _unstable | dondelelcaro: o ok, I was checking the bts and I couldn't figure it out..that sums up what I wanted to know. Thanks for squashing my curiousity dondelelcaro. |
| 06:37.42 | Gnea | AceSmythe: think "SMP in one CPU" |
| 06:37.43 | AceSmythe | Gnea: will there be a difference? |
| 06:37.50 | Gnea | AceSmythe: if you set things up right |
| 06:37.56 | dagbrown | sanxiyn: Aha, okay |
| 06:38.00 | jm_ | it sounds like you don'tneed duo core version :P |
| 06:38.02 | AceSmythe | that assumes competence on my part :p |
| 06:38.09 | AceSmythe | what all would be different in the setup? |
| 06:38.12 | sanxiyn | dagbrown: APT doesn't downgrade until priority exceeds 1000. |
| 06:38.20 | Gnea | different? |
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| 06:38.26 | sanxiyn | (Default release is 500.) |
| 06:38.31 | AceSmythe | you said one would need to set it up right |
| 06:38.34 | Gnea | an OS that sees and uses both cores, for starters |
| 06:38.39 | AceSmythe | oooh |
| 06:38.42 | AceSmythe | sarge debian? |
| 06:38.44 | parte | i have a question about psybnc and the virtual host, if i set psybnc on my Linux, and use a freehost from dyndns.org like test.dyndns.org can i get it to have on irc: test@test.dyndns.org |
| 06:38.45 | parte | ? |
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| 06:38.55 | Gnea | naw, any 2.6 SMP kernel will do it |
| 06:38.57 | javiolo | hi |
| 06:39.00 | Gnea | but yeah, sarge will do it |
| 06:39.04 | AceSmythe | oh |
| 06:39.18 | Gnea | install sarge with a 2.6 kernel and then get a 2.6 smp image |
| 06:39.19 | AceSmythe | is there a 2.6 kernal that isnt SMP? |
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| 06:39.28 | AceSmythe | asked and answered |
| 06:39.31 | javiolo | anyone knows if its there any kids educational software for linux ? |
| 06:39.35 | Gnea | heh |
| 06:39.40 | ice_1963 | nickserv identify ice_1963 |
| 06:39.43 | AceSmythe | will there be a signifigant performance jump? |
| 06:39.47 | Gnea | ice_1963: cool! |
| 06:39.57 | Gnea | LMAO!! |
| 06:40.00 | Paivakil | javiolo: debian-edu |
| 06:40.10 | sanxiyn | javiolo: See also http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-jr/ |
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| 06:40.15 | Gnea | that was so randomly awesome |
| 06:40.24 | sanxiyn | Hm, -edu is for education, -jr is for kids. |
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| 06:40.41 | Paivakil | javiolo: debian-edu is a sub-project of debian; and installs plenty of educational s/w |
| 06:40.51 | AceSmythe | Gnea: would there really be a justification for that $80? |
| 06:40.55 | AceSmythe | or will i not even notice? |
| 06:41.09 | cakoose | So I tried creating an equivs package for libqt3c102-mt, but it conflicts witih libqt3-mt. How do I get around that (Skype wants libqt3c102-mt)? |
| 06:41.10 | javiolo | ok Im looking for software to be used by 6 years old |
| 06:41.13 | Gnea | AceSmythe: what cpu is it and where are you looking? |
| 06:41.18 | AceSmythe | dell |
| 06:41.20 | Paivakil | javiolo: you can also google for skolelinux - it is a distro - and it formats hard disks without your permission, though. |
| 06:41.23 | AceSmythe | intel duo core |
| 06:41.26 | markybob | AceSmythe, this isnt the place for cpu 101, but yes, if you multitask you'll notice a difference |
| 06:41.27 | AceSmythe | .66ghz |
| 06:41.34 | AceSmythe | er |
| 06:41.35 | Gnea | url? |
| 06:41.35 | AceSmythe | 1.66 |
| 06:41.39 | AceSmythe | emme see... |
| 06:41.41 | urz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.59 | AceSmythe | it's on the customizable options for the dell e1705 |
| 06:42.03 | dagbrown | dondelelcaro, sanxiyn: Thank you for the pointers! Off to administer a beatdown now. |
| 06:42.11 | AceSmythe | i dont think the customizations i have set are linkabler |
| 06:42.21 | Gnea | good point |
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| 06:42.41 | AceSmythe | http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/entnb_e1705?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs |
| 06:42.44 | javiolo | thanks for the links! |
| 06:43.03 | urz | smbclient sees the computer and the printer and the shares |
| 06:43.04 | AceSmythe | actually: http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/entnb_e1705?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs |
| 06:43.23 | urz | another debian box is setup and works to print to that printer |
| 06:43.37 | urz | the config files seem to be the same |
| 06:43.39 | wonderline | is there a debian channel for newbies? |
| 06:44.00 | AceSmythe | it's the t1300 and t2300 |
| 06:44.03 | meff | what is the replacement for base-config on a chroot install of sid? |
| 06:44.04 | dondelelcaro | wonderline: not really, no. |
| 06:44.19 | dondelelcaro | meff: there isn't one... just use an editor... |
| 06:44.32 | wonderline | k thanks, i'll just watch and learn. |
| 06:44.32 | markybob | wonderline, if you have a question just ask. you wont (generally) get picked on for being a newbie :) |
| 06:44.39 | AceSmythe | Gnea: see what i mena? |
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| 06:45.14 | urz | this channel helped me out a lot when i was a newbie some years ago |
| 06:45.49 | AceSmythe | i know what i'm doing generally, but i dont know hardware NEARLY as well as i know software |
| 06:46.45 | wonderline | please sugest what documentation you may have read as a newbie that helped set up printers, sound, and usb storage devices. |
| 06:46.49 | Gnea | AceSmythe: hopefully you're not going with the stock hard drive... |
| 06:46.58 | AceSmythe | i think i'm opting for the 80gb |
| 06:47.02 | AceSmythe | yup |
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| 06:47.06 | AceSmythe | why? |
| 06:47.09 | Gnea | 5400rpms? SLOW |
| 06:47.17 | AceSmythe | heh |
| 06:47.28 | Paivakil | wonderline: sysadmin guide |
| 06:47.47 | Gnea | never settle for less than 7200rpms, unless you're without a clue and have no idea what you're doing. |
| 06:47.55 | wonderline | thanks paivakil |
| 06:48.10 | Gnea | AceSmythe: there's a big performance difference |
| 06:48.12 | dondelelcaro | 5400 is fine if you know what you're doing, and why you're getting a 5400 rpm drive... |
| 06:48.17 | AceSmythe | ... or cant spend another 130$? |
| 06:48.24 | AceSmythe | :p |
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| 06:48.33 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: the performance difference depends on exactly what you're doing to the drive |
| 06:48.34 | simplex | Is there a way to force the removal of a package which is depended on? |
| 06:48.39 | dondelelcaro | simplex: no. |
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| 06:49.08 | dondelelcaro | simplex: doing that is never what you actually want to do. What are you actually trying to do? |
| 06:49.10 | Gnea | AceSmythe: are you getting a dell for the support, or because the system is pre-built? |
| 06:49.39 | dagbrown | dondelelcaro: Actually, doing that would have come in real handy with my readline problem. |
| 06:49.43 | AceSmythe | Gnea: it's among the only laptops I can get that use nvidia and are under $1500 with a dvd burner |
| 06:49.50 | AceSmythe | the other option was alienware |
| 06:50.03 | AceSmythe | Gnea: do you have an alternate suggestion? |
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| 06:50.11 | Gnea | i might |
| 06:50.13 | dagbrown | Why do you need nvidia? |
| 06:50.13 | simplex | dondelelcaro: Well, when I'm installing x11proto-render-dev, it's trying to overwrite a file that was put there by render-dev. So I want to force the removal of render-dev so I can replace it with this experimental package. |
| 06:50.16 | AceSmythe | shoot ^c^ |
| 06:50.17 | ice_1963 | Hi if i have the netinstallation cd |
| 06:50.33 | dondelelcaro | simplex: ugh. |
| 06:50.37 | AceSmythe | dagbrown: i like nvidia's driver support, and i hate ATI |
| 06:50.40 | simplex | dondelelcaro: And of course if it breaks it, I'll just reinstall it. |
| 06:50.40 | ice_1963 | have i to boot to be able to install it or can i mount the image with |
| 06:50.44 | ice_1963 | deamon tools? |
| 06:50.50 | dondelelcaro | simplex: if you have to ask what to do in that situtaion, you really should *not* be using experimental. |
| 06:50.59 | dagbrown | AceSmythe: Ah, the only two video card vendors in the world :P |
| 06:50.59 | AceSmythe | Gnea: what's on your mind? |
| 06:51.01 | Paivakil | ice_1963: boot from the cd |
| 06:51.01 | jm_ | ice_1963: you need to boot it so it will run with Linux kernel |
| 06:51.05 | simplex | dondelelcaro: What better way to learn? |
| 06:51.09 | ice_1963 | fuck |
| 06:51.17 | ice_1963 | i dont have a free cd :( |
| 06:51.25 | dondelelcaro | simplex: read documentation. like man dpkg; and man apt.conf; and learn about the --force-overwrite option. |
| 06:51.28 | ipso | I tried to upgrade a .deb package but the postinstall script failed, however I ran it manually and it seems to be working, but dpkg still thinks the package needs to be configured, but it just hangs. Is there a way to mark that package is already configured? |
| 06:51.38 | jm_ | ipso: yes |
| 06:51.54 | urz | is smbpasswd relevent to me when i'm printing to a windows print server? |
| 06:51.54 | Paivakil | ipso: do apt-get -f install |
| 06:52.00 | AceSmythe | dag: i dont want to use an intel or SIS chip |
| 06:52.09 | dondelelcaro | ipso: the configuration scripts are idempotent. However, by manually running it, you may not have actually configured it properly, unless you ran it with the right options. |
| 06:52.15 | AceSmythe | or any other <insert generic name here> card |
| 06:52.18 | ipso | Paivakil: I try... it hangs on configuring a package... |
| 06:52.20 | simplex | dondelelcaro: I actually had read the manual for dpkg and apt-get right before this. it's not in dpkg's man page. (the force-overwrite) option that is. |
| 06:52.39 | Paivakil | ipso: which package? sid? sarge? etch? |
| 06:52.51 | ipso | Paivakil: Postgresql 8.1.3, unstable. |
| 06:52.53 | jm_ | simplex: actually it is |
| 06:52.54 | dondelelcaro | simplex: yes, it is... "overwrite: Overwrite one package#s file with another's file." |
| 06:53.05 | AceSmythe | Gnea: you sounded like you had important information for me |
| 06:53.14 | ipso | Paivakil: When I strace the configure process, its sitting there at a "read()" call |
| 06:53.19 | simplex | dondelelcaro: Oh sorry, I was just doing a search for "force" through the manpage. |
| 06:53.30 | ipso | Paivakil: However it is installed, and running, and working so far just fine. |
| 06:53.30 | AceSmythe | is etch the new stable? |
| 06:53.37 | dondelelcaro | AceSmythe: no, it's testing. |
| 06:53.39 | AceSmythe | i thought sarge was |
| 06:53.47 | AceSmythe | or did it all bump up |
| 06:53.50 | dondelelcaro | simplex: searching through the manpage is unfortunatly not a substitute for reading it... |
| 06:53.50 | Paivakil | ipso: try dpkg -C |
| 06:54.07 | wonderline | um...where would i get the sysadmin guide? |
| 06:54.08 | ipso | Paivakil: Tried that too, says postgresql-common and postgresql-8.1 need to be configured. |
| 06:54.47 | AceSmythe | Gnea!!! Dont leave me hanging! :p |
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| 06:55.25 | Paivakil | wonderline: apt-get install systemadmin-guide |
| 06:55.41 | Azar | someon seem have bored to sleep Gnea |
| 06:55.42 | jm_ | ipso: run dpkg --pending --configure |
| 06:55.44 | Gnea | AceSmythe: calm down, digging takes time :) |
| 06:55.48 | AceSmythe | oh oh |
| 06:55.49 | AceSmythe | ok |
| 06:55.53 | ipso | jm_: It hangs... |
| 06:56.09 | ipso | jm_: it just sits there forever: Setting up postgresql-common (42) ... |
| 06:56.19 | jm_ | ipso: yes, now it's time to find out why, first thing that should be on your mind when running sid is BTS |
| 06:56.20 | dondelelcaro | ipso: it's most likely hanging because there's not a real terminal for the script to attach to. Add a set -x to the top of the postinst script, and see exactly where it stops at. |
| 06:56.22 | Azar | Dell sued Robert Dell because poor man just gave his name to his website |
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| 06:56.40 | AceSmythe | ? |
| 06:56.50 | Azar | AceSmythe: you should protest as a direct customer |
| 06:57.01 | Gnea | AceSmythe: have you looked at toshiba? the satellite M65-S8091 isn't a dual-core cpu, but it does start at under $1400 with more hd space (still 5400rpm, i guess that's regular for laptops - i thought you were looking at a desktop) |
| 06:57.02 | AceSmythe | what was the website's name? |
| 06:57.13 | AceSmythe | no no, laptop |
| 06:57.14 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs #351475 |
| 06:57.15 | Azar | hmm let me see |
| 06:57.16 | AceSmythe | specificly |
| 06:57.17 | Gnea | http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cmod.to?seg=HHO&coid=-30215 |
| 06:57.18 | dpkg | DONE:#351475:I[postgresql-common] postgresql-common: postinst fails on upgrade; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 04:33:04 UTC |
| 06:57.25 | dondelelcaro | ipso: ^^^^ |
| 06:57.29 | dondelelcaro | !tell ipso -about bts |
| 06:57.33 | AceSmythe | Gnea: i do like toshiba, wasnt sure if i should go with it |
| 06:57.36 | AceSmythe | lemme check that one... |
| 06:57.50 | Gnea | AceSmythe: i've got one, it's ok |
| 06:57.51 | w32 | If this directory exists why would I get this error: /etc/init.d/saslauthd: line 9 root sasl 755 /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd : no such file or directory |
| 06:58.04 | AceSmythe | Gnea: that one, or A tosh? |
| 06:58.16 | AceSmythe | (keep in mind, i get %20 off at dell) |
| 06:58.23 | psychonate | hmm, convenient: as of today, bittornado isn't working- "wxPython is either not installed or has not been installed properly." |
| 06:58.25 | psychonate | nice |
| 06:58.35 | Azar | AceSmythe: here is the story: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=860 |
| 06:58.36 | Gnea | AceSmythe: i was looking at the second from the left, but any of those are pretty sweet |
| 06:58.45 | sanxiyn | psychonate: ugh |
| 06:58.48 | dondelelcaro | psychonate: you'll find rtorrent far more usefull. |
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| 06:59.39 | psychonate | dondelelcaro, rtorrent eh? Never heard of it. Let me consult my partner G. Oogle |
| 07:00.03 | Azar | AceSmythe: I bought my PC from tigerdirect, is a PC and works good. I don't need a Dell or a Gateway to run my things |
| 07:00.29 | ipso | dondelelcaro: hrmm, so whats the best way to fix my problem now? If the package is already half-configured... But like I said postgresql is working fine. Can't I just mark it as configured? |
| 07:00.44 | AceSmythe | Azar: i dont care WHO makes the laptop, but i want a dvd burner and an nvidia card |
| 07:00.47 | Gnea | Azar: yeah but he's talking about a laptop - and dell DOES make some decent equipment these days |
| 07:00.48 | sanxiyn | ipso: Nuke postinst and configure. |
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| 07:01.01 | AceSmythe | Gnea: plus i get %20 off |
| 07:01.03 | dondelelcaro | simplex: don't do that either. |
| 07:01.13 | Gnea | AceSmythe: my satellie has nvidia and a cd burner, it's a bit dated |
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| 07:01.16 | Gnea | +t |
| 07:01.16 | psychonate | dondelelcaro, will it allow me to change my upload rate on-the-fly? |
| 07:01.24 | Azar | I would protest at Dell as a customer for what they do to that guy |
| 07:01.24 | dondelelcaro | ipso: the best way is to get the new version of postgresql-common, and then upgrade to the new one. |
| 07:01.25 | simplex | don_inlab: Do what? |
| 07:01.27 | Gnea | AceSmythe: oh nice |
| 07:01.28 | psychonate | dondelelcaro, that is a feature I value |
| 07:01.36 | dondelelcaro | s/simplex/sanxiyn/ |
| 07:01.43 | AceSmythe | Gnea: yeah, but that tosh you told me about is the same price as the duo core dell |
| 07:01.49 | AceSmythe | and it's a single |
| 07:02.00 | dondelelcaro | psychonate: yes. |
| 07:02.04 | ipso | dondelelcaro: It says its fixed in v42.. which is the one I'm trying to install |
| 07:02.09 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: I see. Deleting postinst is how I used to fix it :( |
| 07:02.16 | psychonate | dondelelcaro, you've sold me. I'll give it a try. |
| 07:02.18 | AceSmythe | i think i'll just get the e1705 with the dvd burner and the single core for $1314, sound good? |
| 07:02.29 | simplex | libxfont-dev: PreDepends: x11-common (>= 1:1.09) but 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 is to be installed |
| 07:02.29 | simplex | . I don't get this. It says it depends on something greater than 1.1.09, but isn't 6.9.0 greater than that? |
| 07:02.30 | Azar | Paul Dell, owner of DellWebSites.com, an online web site design service, is being targeted by the online PC vendor Dell. Dell is allegedly committing "an act of parasitism" and creates "a risk of confusion" for consumers, according to Dell attorneys. |
| 07:02.31 | dondelelcaro | ipso: ok, then do what I suggested, and add set -x to the top of the postinst script (if it's in shell) and see exactly where it is stalling at. |
| 07:02.54 | dondelelcaro | simplex: uh... 1:1.09 >> 6.9.0 |
| 07:03.03 | ipso | dondelelcaro: I did... exec /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/postgresql-common.postinst configure 37 |
| 07:03.11 | dondelelcaro | !tell simplex -about reference |
| 07:03.18 | AceSmythe | Gnea: what do you think of my purchasing decision? |
| 07:03.20 | Azar | yes , that one was not a pretty and fair thing as well |
| 07:03.29 | Gnea | AceSmythe: hrm, the M400 looks promising... |
| 07:03.30 | dondelelcaro | simplex: read that completely before you even start playing with experimental. |
| 07:03.39 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: heh |
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| 07:03.44 | ipso | dondelelcaro: Thats the last line... it just sits there. |
| 07:03.59 | AceSmythe | tosh or dell? |
| 07:04.00 | simplex | dondelelcaro: Okay. |
| 07:04.18 | dondelelcaro | ipso: what do you have your debconf frontend set to? |
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| 07:04.42 | AceSmythe | Gnea: dell or toshiba? |
| 07:04.54 | dondelelcaro | ipso: try DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive dpkg --configure -a; |
| 07:05.20 | Gnea | AceSmythe: toshiba - whoops, nevermind, looks like it's just coming out on the market |
| 07:05.21 | Azar | hehe no more parasites logged on my auth.log |
| 07:05.24 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: I'm not sure whether Debian Reference has something on epoch and Debian version scheme... |
| 07:05.35 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: it better... or someone needs to make a patch to it. |
| 07:05.47 | ipso | dondelelcaro: Not sure... I don't recall ever changing it but... I've already deleted the postinstall script... can I force a re-install and try again? |
| 07:05.47 | Gnea | hrm, they say it should be out now... |
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| 07:06.27 | AceSmythe | Gnea: and it's +400$ |
| 07:06.49 | AceSmythe | should i opt for the next business day shipping for $80? |
| 07:07.08 | Gnea | AceSmythe: i take that back, go for the dell |
| 07:07.19 | Gnea | AceSmythe: the m400 doesn't have the nvidia option |
| 07:07.28 | AceSmythe | ah |
| 07:07.38 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:07.39 | ipso | dondelelcaro: Tried a re-install... it failed again of course, so I ran: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive dpkg --configure -a; still fails at the same spot |
| 07:07.39 | AceSmythe | yeah, $1314 for the dell is not a bad deal |
| 07:08.13 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: It doesn't. (grep -r ran on debian-reference source package.) |
| 07:08.43 | simplex | dondelelcaro: It still doesn't make sense, however, for a package to depend on greater than 1:1.09 when apt-get install x-11common is telling me that x11-common is already the newest version. So it depends on a version that doesn't exist yet eh? That's kinda weird. |
| 07:09.22 | dondelelcaro | simplex: it depends on a version that's only available in expeirmental. |
| 07:09.36 | dondelelcaro | simplex: and it may not even be able to be installable then. This is kind of the point of experimental |
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| 07:10.38 | ejofee | where do i have source files for debian? |
| 07:10.43 | simplex | dondelelcaro: I understand that. But I have experimental in my sources.list file, and when I try to install it, it says I already have the newest version. It's not seeing anything else in the experimental repository at all. |
| 07:10.50 | sanxiyn | simplex: That even happens sometimes in unstable, by mistake... |
| 07:11.21 | sanxiyn | simplex: You need to explicitly name experimental dependencies IIRC. |
| 07:11.36 | dondelelcaro | ejofee: apt-get source foopkg; |
| 07:12.00 | sanxiyn | simplex: That is, priority < 100. |
| 07:12.09 | ejofee | oh, thanks. didn't even imagine it was that easy. |
| 07:12.09 | Sonny | how can I change the hour of my debian? |
| 07:12.26 | dagbrown | Sonny: You mean the time zone? Or... |
| 07:12.32 | ejofee | Sonny: remove the motherboard battery |
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| 07:13.15 | Sonny | dagbrown, yep |
| 07:13.20 | Agrajag- | anyone happen to know what package im missing when konqueror tells me that protocol http isn't supported? |
| 07:13.27 | dagbrown | Sonny: tzselect |
| 07:13.28 | ejofee | Sonny: (that was a joke. you may want to stop applying my advice right now.) |
| 07:13.39 | Sonny | dagbrown, yep I want to change the hour because is wrong |
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| 07:13.48 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 07:13.49 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 07:13.53 | dondelelcaro | Sonny: see above... |
| 07:14.01 | Sonny | i know ejofee :/ |
| 07:14.02 | dagbrown | ejofee: I permanently removed the battery in my PC's motherboard because its BIOS has bugs that makes it forget how to boot unless it starts from scratch every time. |
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| 07:15.07 | ejofee | dagbrown: interesting issue. however, i turn off my computer too otfen. |
| 07:15.38 | dagbrown | ejofee: Oh, so do I! |
| 07:16.07 | dagbrown | I just happen to conveniently have ntpdate -s in my boot scripts. |
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| 07:16.34 | AceSmythe | :p |
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| 07:16.57 | psychonate | dondelelcaro, hey hey, this seems pretty nice thus far |
| 07:19.16 | Sonny | dondelelcaro: I dont undesrtand very well, date --set=string whats the format of that string? |
| 07:19.35 | dondelelcaro | Sonny: the same format that date; gives you. Don't do that though; use ntpdate instead. |
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| 07:19.52 | Sonny | ok |
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| 07:20.52 | Baloo | What's the deal with xish.domish in python 2.1.0? is it missing, or just provided by something other than python-twisted* |
| 07:20.59 | _unstable | What is a good program to learn vi, vimtutor isn't on debian.org? |
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| 07:21.43 | jm_ | install vim, run vimtutor |
| 07:21.58 | Baloo | apt-file search vimtutor |
| 07:22.06 | jm_ | or read http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
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| 07:22.27 | dli | _unstable, print out this vim card, http://tnerual.eriogerg.free.fr/vim.html |
| 07:22.32 | _unstable | thanks jm_ I didn't realize it was part of vim |
| 07:22.35 | jcreigh | _unstable: vimtutor is installed with vim. As for "learning vi", check out these links: http://del.icio.us/jcreigh/vim |
| 07:23.11 | dli | is firefox 1.5 in testing/stable? |
| 07:23.13 | AceSmythe | in truth i'm not even sure what it's for offhand |
| 07:23.15 | Baloo | apt-file is great...searches for specific file |
| 07:23.19 | Baloo | dll : yes |
| 07:23.21 | sanxiyn | AceSmythe: It's nice. |
| 07:23.25 | AceSmythe | er? |
| 07:23.31 | sanxiyn | apt-file |
| 07:23.35 | jm_ | dli: it isn't in Sarge, but it's available in backports |
| 07:23.38 | AceSmythe | so if i apt-file *.jpg? |
| 07:23.40 | _unstable | dli: firefox 1.5 won't go into stable(sarge) until the next version of stable(etch) is out. |
| 07:23.43 | AceSmythe | oh |
| 07:23.46 | Baloo | I think... you could always apt-file search firefox to find out |
| 07:23.46 | _unstable | !tell dli about stable |
| 07:23.59 | Baloo | _unstable++ |
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| 07:24.04 | _unstable | !tell dli about backports |
| 07:24.08 | AceSmythe | !tell me about apt-file |
| 07:24.23 | AceSmythe | oooooooh |
| 07:24.25 | AceSmythe | noce |
| 07:24.30 | Baloo | heheh |
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| 07:24.40 | sanxiyn | AceSmythe: Searching for .jpg, I get 7066 files... |
| 07:25.24 | akira | what package does gtk-config come in? |
| 07:25.42 | dondelelcaro | !tell akira -about search |
| 07:25.43 | jm_ | akira: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:26.00 | ejofee | i did an apt-get source <package>; now what do i do? i want to modify the source a bit and then compile. |
| 07:26.18 | sanxiyn | ejofee: Modify, and then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc (heh) |
| 07:26.34 | ejofee | sanxiyn: where do i find it (so that i could modify) |
| 07:26.55 | sanxiyn | ejofee: Eh, you did apt-get source <package> ? |
| 07:27.05 | sanxiyn | There should be a directory named <package>-<version> then. |
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| 07:27.36 | ejofee | sanxiyn: and what was the "heh" for? |
| 07:27.48 | ejofee | sanxiyn: in var? |
| 07:27.53 | AceSmythe | hahah san |
| 07:28.04 | AceSmythe | it's better than locate then |
| 07:28.18 | AceSmythe | or search/find/etc... |
| 07:28.24 | sanxiyn | AceSmythe: In that it can search contents of not-yet-installed package, yes. |
| 07:28.35 | AceSmythe | welp, my new laptop will be here next weekend |
| 07:29.57 | sanxiyn | ejofee: heh was for... heh. |
| 07:31.30 | ejofee | sanxiyn: could you tell me the full path? |
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| 07:32.15 | Sonny | is it good to do apt-get install every day? I did ... and my system changed.... many programs dissapear etc |
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| 07:32.28 | Sonny | I mean apt-get install upgrade |
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| 07:32.54 | Sonny | corrected: is it good to do apt-get install upgrade every day? I did ... and my system changed.... many programs dissapear etc |
| 07:33.04 | dannyp | Sonny: Depends on what you're trying to do. If your goal is to have a usable system, probably not. |
| 07:33.22 | TurboBee | does debian have a quick command to setup ipforwarding? |
| 07:33.26 | ice_1963 | you mean apt-get upgrade |
| 07:33.27 | Sonny | dannyp: tell me more about that? why not? |
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| 07:33.33 | dondelelcaro | TurboBee: apt-get install ipmasq; |
| 07:33.33 | ejofee | Sonny: upgrade selectively |
| 07:33.34 | dannyp | I largely subscribe to the "if it ain't broke" philosophy, with the *very important* exception of security fixes |
| 07:33.37 | ejofee | Sonny: use synaptic. |
| 07:33.47 | TurboBee | thanks |
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| 07:34.13 | Ashex | are there any tricks to installing to an external? |
| 07:34.19 | _unstable | Anyone know off the top of their head, if I install wifi-radar from ubuntu will it work...or no? |
| 07:34.20 | jm_ | TurboBee: that's a feature of Linux kernel, you can enable it via /etc/network/options or via sysctl |
| 07:34.46 | Sonny | ejofee: how do I do that? |
| 07:35.14 | TurboBee | i like dondelelcaro's idea |
| 07:35.14 | TurboBee | :) |
| 07:35.30 | dannyp | dondelelcaro's idea is not set up IP forwarding |
| 07:35.35 | TurboBee | oh |
| 07:35.36 | dannyp | s/is/does/ |
| 07:35.39 | dannyp | it sets up NAT |
| 07:35.49 | dannyp | if that's what you need... |
| 07:35.58 | TurboBee | i wanted masquerading.... i just forgot the name |
| 07:35.59 | dondelelcaro | it can do either, actually... |
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| 07:36.11 | jm_ | yeah it can enable forwarding too, but you don't really need it for that |
| 07:36.12 | Ashex | has anyone tried installing to an external usb drive before? |
| 07:36.22 | dannyp | ook, I stand corrected |
| 07:36.24 | ejofee | Sonny: apt-get install synaptic |
| 07:36.27 | dondelelcaro | it's just a generic framework which can do either, and happens to come with rules by default which do masquerading... |
| 07:36.28 | ejofee | Sonny: then open synaptic |
| 07:36.35 | ejofee | Sonny: you'll figure it out |
| 07:36.43 | TurboBee | i now just have to wait for my windows machine to get up and running to see if it works well |
| 07:36.49 | TurboBee | wasnt too much configuring involved |
| 07:36.53 | ejofee | Sonny: you should do that from root, obviously |
| 07:36.57 | TurboBee | i guess it knows a lot on its own |
| 07:37.12 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: I thought ipmasq is there only to support ipchains/iptables syntax difference...? |
| 07:37.15 | TurboBee | im not used to the simplicity of debian, i did everything by hand with slackware |
| 07:37.19 | Sonny | ejoffe: I use sypantic, but theres just an option to mark the whole updates |
| 07:37.34 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: nope... |
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| 07:38.58 | dannyp | TurboBee: so much of it is what you're used to. Personally, apt-get install ipmasq wouldn't have occured to me in a million years |
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| 07:39.53 | dannyp | I administer a couple of debian boxes, and at times I've ran debian from home, but my primary OS at home has been FreeBSD since 1999. Some tasks are really easy in one and a PITA in the other, and the other way around |
| 07:40.13 | Sonny | ejoffe: How do I decide what should I upgrade or what no? |
| 07:40.24 | TurboBee | lol |
| 07:40.33 | TurboBee | ive been on a kick with this apt-get shit |
| 07:40.42 | TurboBee | everthing i want to do has an apt-get way |
| 07:41.14 | TurboBee | im jsut a little sore though, I have to put linux on my slower computer because my faster computer needs to be available for games |
| 07:41.15 | TurboBee | yet |
| 07:41.22 | TurboBee | linux stil lruns smoking fast on this computer |
| 07:41.25 | TurboBee | whereas windows would not |
| 07:41.34 | _max_ | Anyone know what syntax i can read up on to launch an application onto a specific monitor when using xinerama and multiple monitors? |
| 07:42.13 | Agrajag- | _max_: it just uses the DISPLAY environment var. so something like DISPLAY=:0.1 foo |
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| 07:42.18 | dondelelcaro | Agrajag-: that's when you're not using xinerama... |
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| 07:42.30 | Agrajag- | oh whoops read the question wrong |
| 07:42.34 | dondelelcaro | _max_: you're looking for the --geometry option... |
| 07:43.10 | _max_ | hmm... so DISPLAY=:0.1 is when i have different "Screen" values ? |
| 07:43.47 | dondelelcaro | _max_: nah, it's when you're running multihead without xinerama |
| 07:43.58 | _max_ | dondelelcaro where would i use --geo ? when i launch the program? |
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| 07:44.04 | _max_ | okey. |
| 07:44.07 | dondelelcaro | _max_: right |
| 07:44.30 | _max_ | so rdesktop --geometry 0 0 -u username -p password -n name ip.ip.ip.ip f.ex ? |
| 07:45.41 | dondelelcaro | _max_: --geometry +0+0; assuming rdesktop takes --geometry like it should. |
| 07:45.57 | _max_ | thanks. |
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| 07:46.16 | _unstable | dondelelcaro: network-manager is on the ftp master's new list...how can I get the deb now before he adds it to experimental? |
| 07:46.23 | dondelelcaro | _unstable: you can't. |
| 07:46.53 | dondelelcaro | _unstable: packages which are in NEW are unavailable due to export restrictions. |
| 07:47.15 | _unstable | dondelelcaro: It's been on the new list for a couple weeks. What has to happen before it is added...anything I can do? |
| 07:47.36 | dondelelcaro | _unstable: the ftpmasters have to check it out and make sure that it's ok to be added to Debian. |
| 07:47.39 | _unstable | dondelelcaro: dpkg didn't tell me anything about "export restrictions" what is that? |
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| 07:48.50 | dondelelcaro | _unstable: as in the fact that we cannot export cryptographic software from the US without complying with specific regulations. |
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| 07:49.27 | dondelelcaro | _unstable: to comply, we have to notify the BSA before we allow software to be exported; this is why you can't download software from NEW. |
| 07:49.30 | _unstable | I didn't know that, damn the man |
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| 07:50.01 | _unstable | dondelelcaro: But what about upstream..can't people just get it from sourceforge? |
| 07:50.08 | dondelelcaro | _unstable: sure, they can. |
| 07:50.21 | _unstable | And if they made sourceforge wait, why do they make you wait if one party already did? |
| 07:50.34 | dondelelcaro | _unstable: they may not make sourceforge wait. |
| 07:50.43 | ejofee | i changed the contents of some of the source files. how do i now compile it as a deb? |
| 07:50.54 | dondelelcaro | ejofee: fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
| 07:51.01 | dondelelcaro | ejofee: the NM guide will also help yuou |
| 07:51.18 | ejofee | dondelelcaro: what's the nm guide? |
| 07:51.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell ejofee -about nm guide |
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| 07:51.51 | _unstable | dondelelcaro: Does debian have more info on the regulations they have to follow, and paperwork sent to the BSA? |
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| 07:52.25 | dondelelcaro | !tell _unstable about crypto in main |
| 07:52.47 | wotnarg | What would be the easiest way to go about setting up a cronjob to get a file from an ftp server? The file name is named from a date, so it will shift every time. |
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| 07:53.15 | jm_ | wotnarg: the same as with any other cron job |
| 07:53.27 | wotnarg | well, I mean how is it easiest to the do ftp part |
| 07:53.33 | wotnarg | I can do the cronjob just fine :p |
| 07:53.33 | dagbrown | wotnarg: Use wget |
| 07:53.35 | phu | hi is there anyone have experience with cross compiling using toolchain |
| 07:54.07 | phu | or how can I add additional options to configuration process |
| 07:54.10 | wotnarg | ah, I forgot wget could use ftp. That should do it. Thanks. |
| 07:54.16 | phu | when building debian package |
| 07:54.22 | jm_ | plain ftp supports netrc, then there's lftpget and so on |
| 07:54.26 | Gnesh | For a machine that primaraly will play dvd's/music/video and games etc.... and my RAM is 512mb DDR - how big would you say the swap space needs to be ? ??/ |
| 07:54.45 | dondelelcaro | phu: get the package, then change the debian/rules file to do what you want it to do, then fakeroot debian/rules binary |
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| 07:54.51 | dondelelcaro | !tell phu -about nm guide |
| 07:54.55 | dagbrown | Gnesh: ABout a gig |
| 07:55.47 | Gnesh | Well I have it at a gig at the moment |
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| 07:55.57 | Gnesh | I remember there being a rule of double your ram - that still the case?> |
| 07:56.16 | dondelelcaro | Gnesh: that's a basic rule of thumb |
| 07:56.26 | Gnesh | k |
| 07:56.36 | Gnesh | anyone here back that up? |
| 07:56.38 | Shai-tan | has anybody here used GmailFS? Whats it like I have never had time to try it myself |
| 07:56.44 | dondelelcaro | Gnesh: since generally you have way more disk than that, it's fine... (although, in most cases, it's probably more than you actually need) |
| 07:56.59 | ejofee | dondelelcaro: i think it shouldn't be that complicated. i don't want to debianize a file, but only to compile an already debianized source package. i did an apt-get source, then modified some files, then rearchived as a tar.bz2, now i think a dpkg one-liner should be enough. could you please help me? |
| 07:57.13 | ejofee | s/file/package/ |
| 07:57.26 | dondelelcaro | ejofee: you modify the files, then you fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
| 07:57.43 | dondelelcaro | ejofee: that's the command. I told you about the nm guide, because it has the rest of the information surrouding what exactly that is doing. |
| 07:57.45 | ejofee | dondelelcaro: you mean this is the exact syntax and it all? |
| 07:57.50 | dondelelcaro | ejofee: yes. |
| 07:57.57 | ejofee | dondelelcaro: why, thanks! |
| 07:58.01 | dondelelcaro | ejofee: assuming you've installed the build-deps, fakeroot, and build-essential, of course. |
| 07:58.05 | jelly-ho | Gnesh: you'll probably never use that much swap under normal conditions, if you really need that extra half gig of disk space you could put same size of swap and RAM. |
| 07:58.53 | ejofee | dondelelcaro: i guess "binary" is actually "<binary>" and it stands for the final binary package, right? (it should include name and exact version) |
| 07:59.01 | Ashex | I'm currently installing debian, what's a good apt-get mirror? |
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| 07:59.18 | dondelelcaro | ejofee: no. |
| 07:59.28 | dondelelcaro | ejofee: that's the exact command. |
| 07:59.39 | dondelelcaro | Ashex: one that is close to you and fast. /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 07:59.46 | sanxiyn | ejofee: It is a makefile target. |
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| 08:00.13 | phu | the rules file configuration entry is different from the standard one |
| 08:00.16 | phu | $(configure_dependencies) |
| 08:00.16 | phu | $(configure_stamp): control $(unpack_stamp) $(patch_stamp) |
| 08:00.16 | phu | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.28 | dondelelcaro | phu: please do not paste here. |
| 08:00.35 | phu | sorry |
| 08:00.37 | sanxiyn | phu: heh |
| 08:00.40 | sanxiyn | phu: Which package? |
| 08:00.59 | phu | toolchain |
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| 08:01.24 | sanxiyn | phu: What is the Debian source package name? |
| 08:01.36 | dondelelcaro | why in the world are you building that package? |
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| 08:01.52 | Ashex | does part 2 of the debiant install use the second dvd? |
| 08:02.04 | phu | toolchain-source do you mean |
| 08:02.09 | dondelelcaro | Ashex: only if you tell it to build packages from it... |
| 08:02.19 | sanxiyn | phu: Does it work? |
| 08:02.57 | phu | I can't compile the gcc, I have to disable the thread in configuration |
| 08:03.18 | signius | h |
| 08:03.20 | sanxiyn | phu: Well, then get gcc source, not toolchain source. |
| 08:03.20 | Ashex | dondelelcaro: for apt sources? |
| 08:03.34 | Ashex | I told it to use http for apt get, and right now it's testing apy sources |
| 08:03.40 | phu | and the rules is not standard ./configuration XXXX format |
| 08:03.48 | signius | Good Morning |
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| 08:04.00 | sanxiyn | phu: You seem to be looking at the wrong package. |
| 08:04.06 | Ashex | I don't have debian connected to the internet |
| 08:04.09 | signius | Is anyone else having problems with sound in debian etch ? |
| 08:04.21 | Ashex | so should I have told it to use the dvd? |
| 08:04.25 | sanxiyn | Ashex: Even then, you won't need second DVD. |
| 08:04.27 | ice_1963 | nop |
| 08:04.31 | phu | I want to use toolchain for cross compiling |
| 08:04.35 | sanxiyn | ... |
| 08:04.55 | ejofee | dondelelcaro: oh, i see. thank you! |
| 08:04.56 | sanxiyn | phu: Well you can build one. Numerous howtos out there. |
| 08:05.14 | Ashex | okay, because it just gave me a connection error and returned to the Apt configuration box |
| 08:05.18 | signius | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.54 | signius | i am assuming this is some kind of conflict between alsa and esd but i am not really sure how to resolve it |
| 08:06.05 | phu | so my question is how can i enable the disable thread within rules file configuration section |
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| 08:07.16 | signius | also for some reason whenever i reboot the laptop the sounds is always muted |
| 08:07.33 | sanxiyn | phu: By editing the file? ... |
| 08:08.13 | phu | yes, check what i pasted before, it is not standard ./configure form, |
| 08:08.27 | sanxiyn | phu: Too bad. Figure it out :-) |
| 08:08.48 | sanxiyn | phu: Well, or, do not use toolchain-source package, just build all from source. |
| 08:09.34 | Ashex | is it safe to skip the apt-get setup in part of install? |
| 08:09.37 | phu | I did, but it gave me some mips-linux-as instead of mips-linux-gcc |
| 08:09.50 | Ashex | Debian can't access the internet at the moment, so it's just in a loop |
| 08:10.13 | sanxiyn | phu: Which rule is this ?? |
| 08:10.18 | sanxiyn | oops |
| 08:11.03 | phu | no idea |
| 08:11.08 | sanxiyn | phu: ... |
| 08:11.39 | Paivakil | Ashex: if you have the dvd, why do you need to connect to the net? |
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| 08:11.52 | sanxiyn | phu: So, how can I have a look at the file you're having trouble with, namely which is not ./configure XXX format and confusing and you once pasted before? |
| 08:11.59 | sanxiyn | You didn't tell, as far as I can see... |
| 08:12.14 | Ashex | Paivakil: that's what I'm wondering |
| 08:12.39 | Sonny | can you tell me a program to unpack tar .tar.gz .zip , etc? |
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| 08:13.08 | fas3r | ppp it's just necesary if i use modem for connect on internet no ? |
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| 08:13.17 | drac | Sonny: tar, with bzip2 (bunzip2) and gzip (gunzip) |
| 08:13.23 | akira | fas3r, pretty much |
| 08:13.46 | ft | Sonny: tar, gzip, unzip... |
| 08:13.56 | akira | it's quite a bit elsewhere, but you probably don't need the package if you are using ethernet |
| 08:13.58 | fas3r | it's not necessary if just i use ethernet connection ... |
| 08:14.05 | Sonny | I mean a GUI |
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| 08:14.09 | sanxiyn | Hm, isn't there a tool invoking tar/gzip/bzip2/unzip depending on file type? |
| 08:14.16 | drac | Sonny: fileroller |
| 08:14.20 | Sonny | ty |
| 08:14.40 | drac | file-roller actually. |
| 08:14.42 | dako_oten | Hello All. I'm trying to create a DOS bootable floppy images so I could install an emulated win31 (qemu). Is there already a debianized tool for this? If not what linux app is it? Thanks. |
| 08:14.55 | akira | ppp is a layer 2 wan protocol, where as ethernet is a lan layer 2 proto. you don't need it if you are using ethernet |
| 08:15.28 | fas3r | thank a lot akira (sorry i don't speak english very well) thank :) |
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| 08:15.59 | ejofee | dondelelcaro, sanxiyn: how do i know what the build deps are? |
| 08:16.02 | Boukensya | hey guys, how do I make a debian package active? |
| 08:16.10 | Ashex | Grrr |
| 08:16.14 | Sonny | after a "apt-get install upgrade" the way of my menu bar changed, how can I recover the old style? |
| 08:16.21 | Ashex | I'm stuck in the Debian base system configuration |
| 08:16.32 | Ashex | It refuses to detect my CD-rom drive |
| 08:16.38 | Ashex | but that might just be VMware |
| 08:16.42 | sanxiyn | ejofee: You can install them with apt-get build-dep <package> |
| 08:16.50 | Ashex | And it is! |
| 08:16.53 | Ashex | >.< |
| 08:17.09 | sanxiyn | ejofee: Also "apt-cache showsrc <package> | grep Build-Depends" |
| 08:17.17 | Boukensya | I need to make libapache2-mod-php4 active |
| 08:17.19 | Boukensya | but not sure how |
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| 08:17.27 | Ashex | nope, it still does it :/ |
| 08:17.35 | Boukensya | its installed but doesn't have a "A" |
| 08:18.01 | ejofee | sanxiyn: thank you. btw, why aren't they automatically resolved, too (like the binary packages)? |
| 08:18.02 | sanxiyn | Boukensya: What do you mean by "active"? |
| 08:18.23 | Boukensya | well you know with apt how it has an "A" beside the packge |
| 08:18.24 | sanxiyn | ejofee: You mean, why apt-get source doesn't run apt-get build-dep? |
| 08:18.40 | Boukensya | doesn't that mean Active? |
| 08:18.51 | sanxiyn | ejofee: Because... well sometimes you want to look at the source without building it. |
| 08:19.00 | sanxiyn | I often do. |
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| 08:20.14 | ejofee | sanxiyn: oh, i think i could do this: install the <package>.dev and then it automatically resolves all deps. right? |
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| 08:21.23 | Ashex | Dangit! |
| 08:21.27 | sanxiyn | ejofee: I don't understand what you mean. |
| 08:21.48 | Ashex | If I don't supply an external update server for apt-get, i'll be screwed |
| 08:21.55 | Ashex | and I can't connect to the net :/ |
| 08:22.05 | sanxiyn | Ashex: You can use CDROM (or DVD) |
| 08:22.24 | Ashex | the Debiant setup isn't detecting the vmware cdrom |
| 08:22.52 | sanxiyn | It doesn't? |
| 08:22.54 | Ashex | I loaded feather linux in vmware too just to test and it's finding my cd-rom drive |
| 08:23.02 | pem3v78 | Ashex: why don't you supply internal server and use netinst ? |
| 08:23.36 | Ashex | is is the base config, post install stage, so I can't really do anything |
| 08:23.43 | Ashex | plus I'm not 100% sure if I understand you |
| 08:23.49 | dako_oten | Ashex > did you check the 'legacy emulation' in the cdrom option. |
| 08:24.09 | pem3v78 | you do have network, don't you ? |
| 08:24.35 | Ashex | I'm using an ISO |
| 08:24.44 | Ashex | so I just setup the vmware cd-rom to use it |
| 08:25.29 | sanxiyn | Ashex: Hm last time I tried VMware cdrom did work for me, installing Debian. |
| 08:25.32 | Ashex | debian isn't detecting the network |
| 08:26.01 | sanxiyn | Nice, nice, Firefox will soon render HTML controls using GTK theme. |
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| 08:26.13 | sanxiyn | (Just like Konqueror and Safari did.) |
| 08:26.17 | Ashex | Lemme try a workaround and mount the iso to a drive using alcohol, then change the cd-rom to use that drive |
| 08:26.26 | Ashex | it's a little crazy, but it's worth a shot |
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| 08:28.05 | Brainwalker | y0 |
| 08:28.16 | sanxiyn | Also, work to use Python as XUL scripting language is in good progress... |
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| 08:30.43 | pem3v78 | Ashex: isn't a cdrom emulated as scsi in VMware ? |
| 08:31.01 | Ashex | nope, it's emulated as a ID |
| 08:31.05 | Ashex | hard drives are scsi |
| 08:31.10 | Ashex | ID* |
| 08:31.13 | Ashex | IDE* |
| 08:31.44 | Ashex | grr, it's still not detecting it |
| 08:31.55 | Ashex | I think I'll just skip the apt-get process |
| 08:32.04 | Ashex | I'll figure out how to edit the file manually later |
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| 08:33.14 | Ashex | famous last words |
| 08:33.29 | dannyp | it's not really emulation, ATAPI drives use a subset of the SCSI command set |
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| 08:33.59 | dannyp | I mean, ATAPI is more or less SCSI on the IDE bus |
| 08:34.00 | ice_1963 | :0) |
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| 08:34.47 | Ashex | just out of curiousity, what does "Restarting MTA:" mean? |
| 08:35.03 | sanxiyn | Restarting mail transport agent. |
| 08:35.14 | dako_oten | mail |
| 08:35.21 | Ashex | ok, cool |
| 08:36.16 | Ashex | wtf? |
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| 08:36.23 | ejofee | is there any way to safely unarchive a deb source (for modification purposes) and archive it back? it seems ark does something to the archive which renders the archive (tar.bz2) unusable for compilation. |
| 08:36.32 | Ashex | um, how do I start the gui from command line? |
| 08:37.35 | Ashex | anyone? |
| 08:37.47 | sanxiyn | ejofee: I guess, dpkg -x to extract and dpkg -b to archive. |
| 08:37.58 | Ashex | apt-get |
| 08:38.02 | Ashex | >.< |
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| 08:38.22 | ejofee | sanxiyn: "dpkg -x <file>" or "dpkg -x <package>"? |
| 08:38.31 | sanxiyn | file. |
| 08:38.38 | ejofee | sanxiyn: thank you! |
| 08:38.58 | LsD- | Ashex, what gui? |
| 08:39.08 | ForrestF | how do i configure php or sendmail to send all emails that are being sent to goto a smtp server that needs a username and password |
| 08:39.10 | LsD- | startx maybe? |
| 08:39.11 | Ashex | Debian loads up command line style |
| 08:39.16 | Ashex | startx doesn't work |
| 08:39.29 | LsD- | did you install Xserver? |
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| 08:39.40 | sanxiyn | Ashex: Maybe it's not there. |
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| 08:39.57 | Ashex | sanxiyn: i wouldn't be surprised |
| 08:40.05 | TurboBee | hmm i have two network cards installed, and it looks like the modules for both are installed, but I'm only seeing eth0 and when i try to ifup eth1 it doesnt find that device |
| 08:40.21 | Ashex | considering how install went |
| 08:40.30 | Ashex | how would I install it? |
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| 08:40.56 | Sonny | which are the kde libraries? |
| 08:41.18 | sanxiyn | Ashex: apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 08:43.06 | Ashex | "E: Couldn't find package x-window-system |
| 08:43.08 | Ashex | " |
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| 08:44.11 | Paivakil | Ashex: xserver-xfree or xserver-xorg |
| 08:44.29 | Paivakil | Ashex: find using `apt-cache search xserver' |
| 08:44.54 | Sonny | a good pdf viewer who permits to configure the quality of printing? |
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| 08:45.34 | Paivakil | Sonny: you can do that from the command line |
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| 08:45.52 | Ashex | no dice |
| 08:46.04 | dondelelcaro | TurboBee: you need to have a stanza for eth1 if you want to use ifupdown. |
| 08:46.08 | sanxiyn | Ashex: Eh, you need to set up your apt source to CDROM or similar if you don't have net access. |
| 08:46.17 | dondelelcaro | TurboBee: man 5 interfaces; if you're not sure if it's there, run ifconfig -a; |
| 08:46.49 | TurboBee | i tried ifconfig eth1 up |
| 08:46.50 | TurboBee | as well |
| 08:47.08 | TurboBee | ifconfig doesnt show eth1 |
| 08:47.12 | FlopsyPete | hi. on a 10GB hard disk, Sarge's instaler chose too small a size for the / partition using the desktop system' option. how do I reduce /home, move it to the end and enlarge /? parted says it can't change the start position of an ext3 filesystem |
| 08:47.16 | Sonny | Paivakil: how? |
| 08:47.17 | ice_1963 | i always install xserver-xorg first then x-window-system-core |
| 08:47.39 | Paivakil | TurboBee: put your /etc/network/interfaces in a pastebin |
| 08:47.51 | Sonny | Paivakil: but is easier to do it in the same pdf viewer, right? |
| 08:47.59 | Ashex | Where's the apt-get config file located? |
| 08:48.05 | sanxiyn | Ashex: /etc/apt |
| 08:48.08 | Paivakil | Sonny: you use kde or gnome? |
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| 08:49.00 | TurboBee | http://pastebin.com/564077 |
| 08:49.05 | Ashex | hookay, it's already set to use my cd-rom |
| 08:49.12 | Sonny | Paivakil: gnome |
| 08:49.22 | Ashex | what line would I add for it to use, lets say.... ftp.debian.org/ |
| 08:50.00 | FlopsyPete | Ashex: if you're using Sarge you can use apt-setup |
| 08:50.11 | Paivakil | use kpdf if you use kde; or evince in gnome |
| 08:50.42 | Ashex | O.o |
| 08:50.46 | Ashex | well, that command works |
| 08:50.59 | Ashex | now I need to figure out how the hell to add a server in |
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| 08:51.46 | Ashex | hmmm |
| 08:52.10 | Ashex | i've established that 1)Can't detect CD-rom 2) Can't connect to internet |
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| 08:52.31 | Ashex | where can I download the Xserver files manually? |
| 08:52.38 | Ashex | i'm going to build an update disc |
| 08:53.07 | Ashex | And then add it into the drive debian is installed it and have apt-get grab the files from it |
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| 08:54.14 | noiesmo | Ashex, http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 08:56.36 | Ashex | so I'll need x-window-system, xserver-xfree, and xserver-xorg? |
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| 08:56.55 | ice_1963 | no |
| 08:57.03 | Paivakil | Ashex: either xserver-xfree or -xorg |
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| 08:57.33 | Paivakil | x-window-system is a metapackage, which depends on (and therefore installs) several other packages |
| 08:58.16 | Ashex | Oh No's! |
| 08:58.22 | Paivakil | Ashex: you will also need a package named something like xbase-clients |
| 08:58.26 | Ashex | packages.debian.org is down |
| 08:58.33 | TurboBee | Paivakil, see anything |
| 08:58.37 | TurboBee | http://pastebin.com/564077 |
| 08:59.10 | sanxiyn | Ashex: See /topic. |
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| 09:00.46 | Ashex | x-window-system-core? |
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| 09:07.02 | mhall | Does anybody know of a quick way to enable/disable Flash on the fly in Firefox? |
| 09:07.43 | mhall | dpkg: hello |
| 09:07.43 | dpkg | salut, mhall |
| 09:07.47 | mhall | wtf |
| 09:07.49 | wlazian | exit |
| 09:09.04 | resiak | mhall: http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ |
| 09:09.09 | dorel | ive got about 25gb free in my lvm configuration, can i take them outside to a whole new ext2 partition? |
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| 09:10.53 | darkstego | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.03 | Paivakil | TurboBee: just going through - wait a minit |
| 09:11.06 | yos87 | hi |
| 09:11.30 | ejofee | is there any app which helps me detect what font a web page is using? |
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| 09:11.55 | Paivakil | TurboBee: see the lines starting with ``auto eth0''?? you need similar stanza with lines starting ``auto eth1'' |
| 09:12.08 | disposable | darkstego: extract the deb file and get the config file. it's in the /boot |
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| 09:12.30 | mhall | resiak: thanks |
| 09:12.37 | TurboBee | i see |
| 09:12.38 | Paivakil | TurboBee: see the man page referred by dondelelcaro to sometime back |
| 09:12.43 | darkstego | disposable, it is in the /deb file but does not install anywhere on my disk? |
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| 09:12.52 | TurboBee | twg hyar |
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| 09:13.00 | TurboBee | yeah just sta rting to do tgat actually |
| 09:13.01 | TurboBee | thnalks |
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| 09:13.48 | Z_God | on current debian etch, I get symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2: undefined symbol: FT_GlyphSlot_Embolden |
| 09:13.48 | Z_God | when trying to launch a GTK2 app |
| 09:13.48 | disposable | darkstego: you mean you don't hane anything like /boot/config-2.6.xx-1-686? |
| 09:13.55 | Z_God | any idea what is wrong? |
| 09:14.01 | Paivakil | TurboBee: also see the files in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 09:14.11 | disposable | darkstego: s/hane/have |
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| 09:14.35 | Kernel_core | hi all |
| 09:15.02 | darkstego | not sure, not on my debian box |
| 09:15.07 | darkstego | but will look for it |
| 09:15.11 | darkstego | thanks disposable |
| 09:15.18 | disposable | darkstego: np |
| 09:15.22 | ejofee | why do i see some fonts in kde which i don't see in x11? |
| 09:15.24 | Kernel_core | anybody compiled PWLIB 1.9.0 on Debian ?! |
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| 09:17.17 | darkstego | anyone know how to solve timing problems on AMD64 X2? |
| 09:17.26 | sanxiyn | Kernel_core: 1.9.3 is in Debian, AFAICT. |
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| 09:18.21 | TurboBee | bleh i should go to bed |
| 09:18.26 | TurboBee | too tired to learn tonight |
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| 09:18.31 | TurboBee | gnite everybody :) |
| 09:19.08 | Paivakil | TurboBee: sweet dreams!!! |
| 09:19.17 | Kernel_core | sanxiyn: I want exactly 1.9.0 version ( I need it for H323 ) |
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| 09:19.32 | resiak | Kernel_core: Then build it |
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| 09:21.59 | FlopsyPete | how do I move the start position on an ext3 filesystem, using a tool such as parted? |
| 09:22.18 | Ashex | grr |
| 09:22.25 | Ashex | this is why I'm switching from windows |
| 09:22.30 | Ashex | explorer just crashed |
| 09:22.44 | Ashex | and the start bar is frozen and I can't get explorer.exe to vlose >.< |
| 09:22.56 | mhall | Ashex: In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates? |
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| 09:23.25 | dorel | any ideas how to make some free space on the system? i've got it all under lvm and i want to take a few gigs out of it |
| 09:23.59 | mhall | dorel: my understanding of LVM is, adding is easy and removing is hard |
| 09:24.04 | Ashex | I also can't see the first 3 lines of the window |
| 09:24.05 | mhall | !+lvm |
| 09:24.05 | dpkg | somebody said lvm was at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 09:24.12 | mhall | !+lvm_tutorial |
| 09:24.13 | dpkg | from memory, lvm_tutorial is ibmdevworks tutorial http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/, or http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html |
| 09:24.33 | mhall | dorel: i'd start by reading these IBM documents; they are usu. quite comprehensive |
| 09:24.44 | dorel | thanks ill check it |
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| 09:25.18 | sobersabre | dorel add ibm's develworkx search engine |
| 09:25.26 | sobersabre | to your firefox |
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| 09:26.03 | sobersabre | i cannot exactly remember, it is accessible from their site. |
| 09:26.04 | strib | What ways to do a hands-free networked install does Debian have? |
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| 09:26.18 | strib | yk, like Redhat's kickstart? |
| 09:26.53 | jm_ | strib: read about pre-seeding |
| 09:27.16 | strib | Sounds like intelligent design to me |
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| 09:30.52 | MZM | hi, how can I guarantee that my RLT ethernet cart becomes eth1 on boot but not randomly eth1 or eth0? |
| 09:31.10 | tralala | MZM: ifrename |
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| 09:31.37 | strib | MZM: I prefer to have userfriendly names fo rthe interfaces; look at ifname |
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| 09:31.53 | mhall | What is RCU in the kernel? |
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| 09:32.23 | strib | Not a Debian question :) |
| 09:32.32 | strib | It's a lockless datastructure. |
| 09:32.34 | nvz | mhall: Read-Copy Update maybe |
| 09:32.46 | mhall | nvz: hmm |
| 09:32.50 | MZM | strib: its some package or ..? |
| 09:32.55 | roo9 | is there a way to specifiy the bzip compression level -1..-9 when using tar? |
| 09:33.13 | strib | MZM: no, a tool. I'll see where it is. |
| 09:33.24 | tralala | roo9: not that I know of, but you could always use a pipe |
| 09:33.31 | strib | roo9: gzip honours some environment variable, can't remember which |
| 09:33.35 | strib | Look at man gzip |
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| 09:34.33 | mentor | arg. |
| 09:34.43 | roo9 | ah, GZIP_OPT |
| 09:35.04 | mhall | nvz: holy shit, i googled that sonofabitch |
| 09:35.09 | strib | MZM: net-tools |
| 09:35.10 | mhall | nvz: it's some major complex crap |
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| 09:35.30 | mentor | but multithreading is fun! |
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| 09:35.57 | nvz | mhall: that would be MCC not RCU |
| 09:36.04 | mhall | mentor: yeah it is |
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| 09:36.55 | nvz | pthread_meatwad_frylock |
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| 09:37.09 | mhall | nvz: you are twisted |
| 09:37.15 | mhall | nvz: good work |
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| 09:37.28 | mhall | pthread_meathead_dielock |
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| 09:43.51 | wlazian | my notebook cannot boot from cd (because extern), how can i install debian. is there a way to boot from network |
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| 09:43.58 | Ashex | I'm going to reinstall Debian |
| 09:44.13 | mhall | wlazian: what kind of CD drive |
| 09:44.14 | Ashex | I got a CPU error when I tried to boot into it |
| 09:44.25 | mhall | !tell wlazian about bf |
| 09:44.38 | Ashex | I downloaded the DVD images |
| 09:44.40 | mhall | !d-i wlazian |
| 09:44.40 | dpkg | wlazian, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 09:44.46 | wlazian | mhall : usb |
| 09:44.53 | Ashex | But I need to ask, exactly what is on the second DVD? |
| 09:45.08 | mhall | wlazian: just use floppies, then install from network |
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| 09:45.13 | mhall | wlazian: should be good |
| 09:45.14 | tabris|away | wlazian: logical thing to do most likely is to pull notebook HD, install the net-installer stage1 to it, and stick the HD back into the notebook. yes, the HD will require an adapter, but tehy're cheap |
| 09:45.25 | wlazian | but i can boot from network |
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| 09:46.42 | Ashex | so does anyone know? |
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| 09:46.59 | Ashex | Because It didn't appear that I needed the Second DVD image when I installed Debian |
| 09:47.00 | Ashex | just the first |
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| 09:47.19 | Ashex | I'm going to burn them to discs this time, and boot my laptop off them |
| 09:47.45 | wlazian | has anyone experience with netboot? |
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| 09:48.09 | Agrajag- | yeah i have a couple of diskless machines |
| 09:48.23 | raf256[laptop] | Agrajag-: easy to setup? |
| 09:48.30 | Agrajag- | yeah |
| 09:49.02 | Agrajag- | well depends how stupid you are |
| 09:49.15 | Agrajag- | but for the average stupid person i dont think it should be too hard |
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| 09:49.42 | smcavoy | hello |
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| 09:51.32 | smcavoy | I'm having some trouble getting debian to allow agent forwarding (I think thats it). I'd like to be able to ssh to one box and then ssh into another using keys. currently I can ssh to one box without a password but when I try to ssh to second with an identical authorized keys file and sshd_config/ssh_config it pompts for a password |
| 09:51.36 | ke6isf | Hooray for insomnia... |
| 09:51.38 | smcavoy | did I miss something? |
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| 09:51.52 | smcavoy | ke6isf: I'm at work :( |
| 09:52.11 | ke6isf | smcavoy: I'm supposed to be waking up to go to work in about four hours. |
| 09:52.18 | oskie | is it possible to set up a chroot sftp server without the need of a jail filesystem? (i.e. bin/.., lib/..) |
| 09:52.19 | smcavoy | youch |
| 09:52.53 | smcavoy | oskie: I believe you'll want to look into chroot ssh. I would think it can allow for sftp within it |
| 09:53.08 | ejofee | where do i find the gtk system-wide default settings? |
| 09:53.21 | ke6isf | smcavoy: I'm presuming, by your description, that you set up keys properly and copied them to the hosts? |
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| 09:53.49 | ke6isf | ejofee: /etc/gtk by the looks of things. |
| 09:53.53 | smcavoy | ke6isf: I even copied the one the that works setup to the others |
| 09:53.58 | smcavoy | just to be sure |
| 09:54.20 | ke6isf | smcavoy: The id_[dr]sa files? =O.o= |
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| 09:54.56 | smcavoy | ke6isf: no, just the authorized_keys file. I keep the actual keys only on my local box |
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| 09:55.15 | ke6isf | smcavoy: Ah, OK. |
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| 09:55.30 | jm_ | that won't work, you'll also need it on the second machine |
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| 09:55.57 | ejofee | ke6isf: thanks |
| 09:56.50 | smcavoy | jm huh? the private key shouldn't have to be anywhere else but the local machine. authorized_keys is in .ssh/ with 700 perms on .ssh |
| 09:57.23 | jm_ | smcavoy: think some more about it |
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| 09:58.10 | ejofee | why do i see some fonts in kde which i don't see in x11? |
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| 10:00.27 | th0ger | I have some files I cannot delete. rm -fr Test.c, rm: cannot remove `Test.c': Permission denied. Perms are 777. Not even as root! |
| 10:00.59 | smcavoy | jm_: my mistake. I had forwarding enabled on the first and second system I login to. but NOT my local ssh config |
| 10:01.19 | Paivakil | th0ger: you must have st the immutable bit on them |
| 10:01.45 | Paivakil | th0ger: see man chattr |
| 10:02.19 | crypt_ex | Since upgrading to Testing I have lost the ability to access the consoles by doing ctrl+alt+f1 etc I have looked at /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and cannot see any obvious? Anyone experienced anything like this before? |
| 10:02.46 | jm_ | smcavoy: ok |
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| 10:03.11 | smcavoy | jm_: thanks for the help o_O |
| 10:05.09 | jm_ | smcavoy: so do you have id* files on both machines or just on the first? |
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| 10:05.50 | smcavoy | jm_: only on the local machine, the other two only require that the pubkey is in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 10:06.23 | jm_ | smcavoy: so you're goin from A-->B and A-->C? |
| 10:06.35 | jm_ | smcavoy: and it worked for B, but not for C? |
| 10:06.39 | ejofee | please help me find a guide for using gtkrc(-2.0). i tried to find it with google, but i couldn't. |
| 10:06.58 | jm_ | what guide? what do you want to do? |
| 10:07.01 | smcavoy | A is my local box. A-->B-->C works now |
| 10:07.14 | jm_ | smcavoy: without having id* files on B? |
| 10:07.20 | nvz | dpkg, tell ejofee about gtkrc for gtk-2.0 |
| 10:07.26 | smcavoy | previously I could only do A-->B then had to login with pw to C |
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| 10:07.37 | smcavoy | jm_: correct, without the id files |
| 10:08.20 | smcavoy | having private keys all over the place greatly reduces security. |
| 10:08.21 | jm_ | smcavoy: hmm didn't think that's possible |
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| 10:08.30 | jm_ | exactly, that's why I was wondering |
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| 10:09.03 | Neil_ | moving my stable laptop to testing.. is this the proper procedure? *modify sources.list* apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 10:09.09 | smcavoy | jm_: so long as you enable ForwardAgent on your local box. other wise it authenticates only once. |
| 10:09.17 | smcavoy | that's in ssh_config |
| 10:09.40 | ejofee | nvz: thank you |
| 10:09.42 | jm_ | smcavoy: ahh cool, thanks |
| 10:09.44 | smcavoy | it *can* be a security issue as it allows the remote system(s) to access a local socket |
| 10:09.50 | nvz | ejofee: no problem |
| 10:09.56 | smcavoy | but for internal only machine... no biggie |
| 10:10.41 | th0ger | Paivakil: ch |
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| 10:11.09 | nvz | something I've wondered is why is ssh-agent seemingly started with my X session? |
| 10:11.10 | th0ger | Paivakil: chattr -i Test.c, gives Inappropriate ioctl for device while reading flags on Test.c |
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| 10:11.39 | th0ger | Paivakil: any clue? |
| 10:11.42 | Paivakil | th0ger: corrupt filesystem? |
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| 10:11.48 | crypt_ex | Does anyone know where I can begin to look with this problem, ie loosing the ability to switch to the consoles by doing ctrl+alt+f1, I am just worried if I mess up X stuck without anything :S |
| 10:12.05 | th0ger | Paivakil: perhaps, its an NFS mount |
| 10:12.07 | Phazeman | Hi all. Can someone please point me to a good howto about installing NVIDIA drivers in debian ? |
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| 10:12.19 | nvz | crypt_ex: only works with the left modifiers on my system |
| 10:12.38 | nvz | crypt_ex: there is always chvt but if you are hung that doesnt help |
| 10:12.38 | Phazeman | i'm trying to follow this: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html and the package source is not available |
| 10:12.39 | jm_ | nvz: because it's enabled |
| 10:13.03 | jm_ | !tell Phazeman about nvidia one-liner |
| 10:13.06 | crypt_ex | nvz, I am not sure what you mean by left modifers or chvt? Excuse my stupidity this morning :S |
| 10:13.10 | nvz | jm_: well whats it doing, and why does it start from my xsession when I dont have it in my list of things to start in my session |
| 10:13.27 | nvz | crypt_ex: using the ctrl or alt on teh right doesnt work |
| 10:13.37 | nvz | crypt_ex: man chvt |
| 10:14.10 | crypt_ex | thanks |
| 10:14.11 | Phazeman | thanks much jm_ ! |
| 10:14.23 | Phazeman | !tell Phazeman non-free sources |
| 10:14.29 | crypt_ex | nvz I cant use the left or right lol |
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| 10:14.54 | Phazeman | jm_: where can i find the non-free sources repository ? |
| 10:15.04 | sobersabre | hm.. why is fam replaced by gamin ? |
| 10:15.23 | jm_ | nvz: it can be used to remember your pass-phrase so you type it once and the it logs in without typing it again - man ssh-add ; it starts from xsession so that all processes (including your shells) can see env. vars, it's settabl in /etc/X11/Xsession.options |
| 10:15.26 | nvz | dpkg, tell Phazeman about non-free |
| 10:15.39 | jm_ | Phazeman: /msg dpkg non-free or simply run apt-setup and tell it to add the entries for it |
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| 10:16.04 | nvz | jm_: hmm ok no idea what that means but I guess I need to read up on it |
| 10:16.25 | Phazeman | jm_: thank you very much |
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| 10:21.35 | wireddd | I setup debian as a firewalled router a couple of days ago, and I haven't been disconnected from irc once since then, with my old linksys router I used to get disconnected all the time. |
| 10:21.56 | crypt_ex | ;) |
| 10:22.06 | crypt_ex | Another idler |
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| 10:22.17 | liable | wireddd: cause lynksys is crap! |
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| 10:22.41 | wireddd | liable, well compared to linux what isn't? |
| 10:22.57 | liable | beer! |
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| 10:23.10 | bbrazil | wireddd: don't tempt me |
| 10:23.16 | crypt_ex | Its Monday |
| 10:23.17 | petemc | linksys works fine for me |
| 10:23.22 | petemc | +routers |
| 10:23.47 | wireddd | petemc, well obviously you didn't get the el cheapo walmart special |
| 10:23.55 | Phazeman | jm_: i'm trying to help someone remotely here that runs debian with 2.4.47 kernel. now, after adding everything and running that onliner he gets: E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-686 . :( |
| 10:24.01 | tralala | guys I know I'm offtopic but... do you have a recommendation for a pci wireless nic that is able to do netboot? |
| 10:24.04 | petemc | wireddd: no walmarts in ireland, so... |
| 10:24.13 | Phazeman | jm_: i'm clueless about debian... only kubuntu or mandriva here... |
| 10:24.42 | liable | Phazeman: apt-cache search kernl-headers-2.4 |
| 10:24.51 | jm_ | Phazeman: install newer kernel first |
| 10:25.21 | Phazeman | jm_: he's a corporate user... but they don't have the nvidia driver installed somehow. this causes to X restarts all the time |
| 10:25.23 | sobersabre | liable ... hmm... I thought linksys should be OK, since it can be rewritten the firmware with certain models. |
| 10:25.30 | dorel | damn |
| 10:25.35 | Phazeman | jm_: is it safe to install a newer kernel ? |
| 10:25.42 | jm_ | Phazeman: sure |
| 10:25.44 | dorel | i want to get some freespace to the system but i got everything inside an lvm setup |
| 10:25.50 | jm_ | Phazeman: it will keep the old ones ... |
| 10:25.51 | gnufa_ | Phazeman: it is 2.4.27-2 in Stable -- run "apt-get update" and try again |
| 10:25.52 | sobersabre | Phazeman as long as it is Debian kernel, it is. |
| 10:26.19 | Phazeman | thanks folks ! |
| 10:26.24 | Phazeman | trying to upgrade the kernel now |
| 10:26.30 | Paivakil | Phazeman: apt-cache search linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 10:26.33 | Phazeman | gnufa_: we did and it didnt help |
| 10:26.37 | sobersabre | petemc do you use the famous router with rewritten fw ? |
| 10:26.54 | sobersabre | fw:="firmware" |
| 10:26.58 | gnufa_ | Phazeman: Well what requires 2.4.27-2 ? |
| 10:27.06 | gnufa_ | Phazeman: Well what requires 2.4.27-1 rather..... |
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| 10:27.15 | wireddd | sobersabre, yeah I would like to try out that one |
| 10:27.18 | Phazeman | gnufa_: i don't have a clue actualy... i don't work there... |
| 10:27.24 | petemc | sobersabre: i use a wrt54g with the satori firmware |
| 10:27.31 | sobersabre | wireddd sombody says |
| 10:27.48 | sobersabre | it is "crap" i'd like to heaer why the hell :) |
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| 10:27.56 | Phazeman | Paivakil: running that line with search didnt give him any output |
| 10:28.18 | mhall | Hello. I am having problems getting my VIA 8237 AC97 Codec chip to work in 2.6.15.*. Is anybody else experiencing this? |
| 10:28.20 | wireddd | no the one I am using isn't the wrt54g, its one of the crappy ones |
| 10:28.26 | sobersabre | liable can you explain what is crappy in linksys ? |
| 10:28.41 | Phazeman | ok, install a newer kernel will be a better idea |
| 10:28.43 | Phazeman | i think |
| 10:28.50 | ejofee | please help me find a guide for using gtkrc(-2.0). i tried to find it with google, but i couldn't. |
| 10:28.59 | sobersabre | mhall are you talking about debian kernel or your own "home cooked" ? |
| 10:29.03 | wireddd | linksys - open source firmware = crap |
| 10:29.05 | liable | sobersabre: if you want to read about shite lynksys, visit whirlpool forums or buy a wrg54 |
| 10:29.10 | mhall | sobersabre: kernel.org source |
| 10:29.16 | ejofee | i mean, come on, it can't be used only for changing font size. |
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| 10:29.29 | sobersabre | mhall this is #debian channel. |
| 10:29.34 | sobersabre | have you noticed ? |
| 10:29.42 | anarchron | hey guys |
| 10:29.43 | mhall | sobersabre: dude, i've been here since 1998 |
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| 10:29.57 | anarchron | i was wondering, why i can't seem to get radeontool to work on debian |
| 10:30.02 | sobersabre | mhall, so do you want me to bring you flowers ? |
| 10:30.05 | sobersabre | :) |
| 10:30.11 | mhall | *PLONK* |
| 10:30.22 | liable | sobersabre: they released v2 and it sucked ass, wouldnt firmware upgrades to fix shit were slow, and i finally bricked it with one, and they replaced it with a v1 after talikng to some guy in singapore or someshit. |
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| 10:31.16 | sobersabre | liable from what I've read, v2 is indeed crappy, so ... it is a documented crap, and you can always avoid it ( now ), too bad for those who didn't know it on the date of purchase... |
| 10:31.32 | anarchron | it works in gentoo |
| 10:31.45 | sobersabre | mhall which alsa modules have you connected ? |
| 10:32.03 | Paivakil | Phazeman: that means you do not have a repository with the corresponding kernel headers in sources.list |
| 10:32.10 | sobersabre | ( i mean in the config "=m", or "=y" |
| 10:32.13 | sobersabre | ) |
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| 10:32.43 | mhall | sobersabre: snd_via82xx and its deps |
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| 10:33.04 | mhall | sobersabre: i have got 2.6.14.6 and 2.6.15.4 with identical configs |
| 10:33.09 | mhall | sobersabre: i also tried 2.6.15.1 |
| 10:33.19 | mhall | sobersabre: 2.6.14.6 works, 2.6.15.x don't |
| 10:33.39 | mhall | sobersabre: 14.6 is last .14.* release, of course |
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| 10:34.01 | mhall | sobersabre: i'm thinking, next stop is alsa CVS |
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| 10:34.32 | sobersabre | mhall which mobo do you have ? |
| 10:35.18 | sobersabre | ( methinks: you probably need to notify the alsa guys anyway... ) |
| 10:35.44 | mhall | sobersabre: Gigabyte with VIA P4M800 |
| 10:35.48 | sobersabre | hm... |
| 10:36.14 | sobersabre | I have Gigabyte too, but other model ( for AMD ) |
| 10:36.17 | sobersabre | and it works |
| 10:36.35 | mhall | 2.6.15? via_82cxx ? |
| 10:36.37 | sobersabre | hmmm ... moment.. I haven't checked wheather sound works :) |
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| 10:36.43 | sobersabre | it is headless server.. |
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| 10:36.47 | xored | iam trying to use kvpnc to connect to a cisco-vpn server. Iam failing to run the program, cause he say, dcopserver is not running. When iam trying to start it ( as non root yet) it fails with : DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| 10:36.48 | mhall | oof |
| 10:36.59 | EruditeHermit | hey, does anyone know where i'd go to see if module assistant was updated for my module? |
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| 10:39.53 | sobersabre | mhall sorry, it works indeed fine. |
| 10:40.37 | sobersabre | mhall which via-ktXXX is your mobo based upon ? |
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| 10:42.03 | Agrajag- | how should i go about adding a ttf font? |
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| 10:42.31 | sobersabre | Agrajag- afaik, the same way you should go adding any other font... |
| 10:42.33 | Agrajag- | can't find any docs relavent to current debian/xorg |
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| 10:43.16 | mhall | sobersabre: P4M800 |
| 10:43.22 | sobersabre | ok. |
| 10:43.32 | sobersabre | mhall what are the "symptoms" ? |
| 10:44.02 | mhall | sobersabre: well, 2.6.14.x has sound, 2.6.15.x does not |
| 10:44.06 | mhall | sobersabre: mixer settings the same |
| 10:44.13 | mhall | sobersabre: xmms doesn't get pissed |
| 10:44.18 | mhall | sobersabre: none of the apps get pissed |
| 10:44.22 | mhall | sobersabre: but no noise comes out |
| 10:44.29 | mhall | the apps think that it's working |
| 10:44.37 | mhall | it just doesn't do anything |
| 10:44.43 | sobersabre | hell. :) |
| 10:44.49 | mhall | yeah; pretty weird |
| 10:44.53 | sobersabre | VERY |
| 10:45.17 | mhall | so i figured, try alsa cvs and see if the alsa devs know something since 2.6.15 pulled the alsa code |
| 10:45.28 | sobersabre | you know there're 2 modules that can work with diff. ac97 based cards. one is via and other is intel. |
| 10:45.39 | sobersabre | can you try rmmod via and insmod intel ? |
| 10:46.01 | sobersabre | ( mhall i hope you understand my terminology ) |
| 10:46.03 | liable | !insmod |
| 10:46.03 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
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| 10:46.32 | sobersabre | liable |
| 10:46.34 | sobersabre | :) |
| 10:46.53 | dorel | anyone has a clue how to remove space from an lvm setup for the good of a new partition outside the lvm? |
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| 10:47.39 | abrocadabro | a |
| 10:47.49 | mhall | sobersabre: yeah i understand what you meant; i tried the Intel one first but it didn't do anything under .14 or .15 |
| 10:48.00 | mhall | sobersabre: but the VIA one works in .14 and not in .1 |
| 10:48.02 | mhall | sobersabre: but the VIA one works in .14 and not in .15 |
| 10:48.39 | liable | which intel module? |
| 10:48.42 | mhall | dorel: docs didn't help |
| 10:48.53 | mhall | liable: intel ac97 codec alsa driver vs. via one |
| 10:49.07 | mhall | liable: my via 8237 works in 2.6.14.x but not 2.6.15.x |
| 10:49.17 | mhall | liable: but it's unclear why this is so |
| 10:49.27 | fatal_ | dorel: lvreduce, vgreduce, pvreduce .... be careful. |
| 10:49.27 | liable | mhall intel8x0? or the hd one? |
| 10:49.53 | dorel | mhall: i couldnt find myself in those docs |
| 10:49.54 | sobersabre | mhall do you have both sources ? |
| 10:50.01 | mhall | sobersabre: yes |
| 10:50.06 | mhall | dorel: ah |
| 10:50.13 | sobersabre | do you have "diff" application ? |
| 10:50.18 | mhall | sobersabre: of course |
| 10:50.23 | sobersabre | hmm... |
| 10:50.53 | sobersabre | and can rmmod the driver, nd then load it with verbose mode, and poll syslog/kern ? |
| 10:51.10 | sobersabre | just before we diff.... |
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| 10:51.57 | sobersabre | usually if everything is OK the driver should printk something nice like the name of the card..... |
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| 10:52.34 | mhall | sobersabre: i'll give it a try |
| 10:52.43 | sobersabre | just a 'clue' |
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| 10:53.19 | sobersabre | in parallel I'd /j #alsa, of course, for better alsa knowledge... |
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| 10:53.47 | sobersabre | i will /j there too... i have my own alsa questions. |
| 10:53.49 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 11:00.12 | Jambon | how do i change timezones? |
| 11:00.21 | Jambon | i tried tzselect, but the clock doesn't change |
| 11:01.16 | dagbrown | Did you log out, log back in again? |
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| 11:02.58 | Jambon | ya |
| 11:03.05 | jm_ | Jambon: tzselect updates /etc/localtime link, it shoud show with date command |
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| 11:04.35 | sep | i am trying to grep for subdomain.domain.tld but my grep also matched subdomain-domain.tld i have tried putting the $domain variable in "'s but it still hits both domains. if i do it manualy it workes when i escapes . (\.) how can i make it grep without having to escape each . ? |
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| 11:05.12 | jm_ | sep: [.] if you don't know how to quote it properly |
| 11:05.23 | melkor | Hi guys, i'm hoping someone can give me a helping hand - I can't get X to start with the Nvidia drivers...the X server fails to start, saying: "/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth: (argw) :1: bad display name "melkor:0" in "remove" command"...if I change xorg.conf and restart gdm it works fine...no errors...odd |
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| 11:05.50 | melkor | oops - changing the driver in xorg.conf from nvidia to nv |
| 11:05.59 | melkor | it's driving me crazy... |
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| 11:07.30 | Jambon | does tzselect have to be done as root |
| 11:07.37 | sep | jm_, that still only workes for the [.] not for [subdomain.domain.tld] since it's actualy [$variable] where $variable contains the domain |
| 11:07.56 | jm_ | sep: no, subdomain[.]domain[.]tld |
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| 11:08.17 | Jambon | either way doesn't work |
| 11:08.22 | melkor | I can't see why the nv driver should work, but not the proprietary nvidia driver...nvidia is in /etc/modules, etc...I just installed the nvidia driver OK, ran the nvidia-xconfig configuration utility, restarted the xorg-common service, then the gdm service, and it worked...restarted the box to make sure that it would all auto load OK, and that's when it refuses to load the X server...I've tried googling for this but couldn't find anything of any |
| 11:08.22 | melkor | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.29 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 11:08.29 | jm_ | Jambon: of course ... |
| 11:08.29 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 11:08.54 | ma3x | is this bug #342457 solved or not? |
| 11:08.57 | ma3x | how do I see? |
| 11:09.04 | sep | jm_, yes that work's but the variable only contains subdomain.domain.tld are you saying i must alter the variable before doing the grep ? |
| 11:09.14 | Jambon | well when changing a timezone there is a very shortlist of what can go wrong |
| 11:09.49 | Jambon | so "it not working" meant the timezone didn't change and the date command showed exactly the same time it did before |
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| 11:10.22 | jm_ | sep: yes |
| 11:10.36 | guiding5 | hola |
| 11:10.39 | jm_ | so check if the symlink has been updated |
| 11:10.40 | liable | ma3x: visit d.d.o and if its resolved it will say so. |
| 11:10.42 | sep | jm_, thanks |
| 11:10.53 | ma3x | liable, whats ddo? |
| 11:11.06 | liable | err,, b.d.o |
| 11:11.12 | liable | bugs |
| 11:11.19 | liable | !bts |
| 11:11.20 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 11:11.31 | guiding5 | Anybody tried to install over Intel D945GNT ? system halts when i try to use i810 drivers |
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| 11:11.52 | foks | http://fabre.debian.net/ is broken |
| 11:12.23 | ma3x | liable, I visited the page but it doesnt say if fixed or not |
| 11:12.50 | liable | ma3x: then it isnt. |
| 11:13.05 | foks | ma3x: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=kicker |
| 11:13.07 | ma3x | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=342457 |
| 11:13.14 | Kernel_core | I am looking for LIBPT-1.9.0 under debian ... I can't compile the source ... anybody has success on compiling H323 under debian ?! |
| 11:13.22 | foks | 342457 isn't in the resolved bugs, then it's still open |
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| 11:34.40 | noiesmo | hey how do i list devices connected to parallel port ie scanner |
| 11:36.59 | jm_ | try reading parport.txt |
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| 11:41.24 | isul | I installed debian for the first time, I chose sarge and gnome in aptitude. how do I start gnome now? (startx doesn't seem to work) |
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| 11:42.35 | resiak | isul: apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm |
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| 11:43.01 | isul | thanks! |
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| 11:48.28 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 11:48.59 | gypsymauro | there is a way to run xdmcp without using a video card? I'm trying to create a xdmcp server but I don't want to run xdm graphically |
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| 11:55.14 | WiQert | hi all |
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| 11:55.30 | mohkohn | Hi I am trying to get ndiswrapper going on etch. I am following these instructions. : http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/InstallDebian |
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| 11:57.43 | mohkohn | I am getting this error : make: *** No rule to make target |
| 11:58.03 | x-x- | did you ./configure? |
| 11:59.10 | mohkohn | I get nothing form COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep kernel-headers-uname -r |
| 11:59.32 | WiQert | how i can look for homepage of package? |
| 11:59.49 | WiQert | eg. python2.3-glade2 |
| 11:59.52 | oskie | WiQert: package description, README.Debian.gz |
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| 12:00.43 | mohkohn | x-x-, was that for me? |
| 12:01.28 | drac | mohkohn: That command doesn't make any sense :) |
| 12:01.35 | WiQert | oskie: i don't have debian |
| 12:01.35 | WiQert | ;] |
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| 12:01.51 | WiQert | where i can read a package desc ? |
| 12:01.59 | mohkohn | which one? |
| 12:02.12 | x-x- | mohkohn: it was, where did that message pop up? |
| 12:02.18 | WiQert | python2.3-glade2 |
| 12:02.28 | x-x- | WiQert: apt-cache policy <package> |
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| 12:02.40 | WiQert | x-x-: i don't have debian |
| 12:02.47 | guiding5 | any ideas which video driver to use for X with Intel G950 ? (It comes onboard with Intel D945GNT) |
| 12:02.47 | guiding5 | correct video chip name is Intel® GMA 950 |
| 12:02.51 | x-x- | then don't ask in here |
| 12:03.11 | mohkohn | x-x-, it happens when I: fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules |
| 12:03.59 | x-x- | mohkohn: cd to the source dir |
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| 12:04.09 | x-x- | there should be a configure script |
| 12:04.12 | x-x- | run it |
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| 12:04.25 | drac | guiding5: driver "i810" but that won't work unless you got X.org 6.9 or 7.0, the one in Unstable. |
| 12:04.25 | mohkohn | /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper |
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| 12:04.50 | udi | jion #debian |
| 12:04.51 | x-x- | mohkohn: where you unpacked the source |
| 12:04.57 | thoron | Anyone seen Xgl on Debian? ;-) |
| 12:05.02 | guiding5 | im using usntable, but when i choosed i810 my system halted :) |
| 12:05.02 | udi | jon #debian |
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| 12:05.31 | guiding5 | xserver-xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 |
| 12:05.35 | guiding5 | this one is ok ? |
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| 12:05.50 | drac | guiding5: Yep, then you just gotta solve why it lockups ;) |
| 12:06.05 | drac | guiding5: /var/log/Xorg.0.log and so on.. |
| 12:06.09 | xored | !paste |
| 12:06.09 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 12:06.41 | guiding5 | last time it locked up and i rebooted into system with no inittab :) |
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| 12:07.06 | guiding5 | what about linux drivers intel provide for red hat or red flag ? |
| 12:07.45 | xored | what could be wrong on this iptable rule : http://channels.debian.net/paste/1878 . I still cannot reach the 901 from the inner 192....25 ip |
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| 12:08.07 | fluxdude | I'm going to build a new machine, could anyone tell me what the difference between an AMD64 3500+ Venice, Winchester and Newcastle is? |
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| 12:09.37 | pharm | fluxdude: Winchester & Newcastle is cache size IIRC. Don't know about Venice: core size reduction? |
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| 12:11.14 | fluxdude | but according to the savastore the specs are exactly the same including cache sizes, the higher rated models have same GHz but larger cache of 1Mb |
| 12:11.46 | pharm | fluxdude: Go look on the amd website for the specs. May just be different steppings. |
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| 12:13.37 | ejofee | i added "GtkTreeViewColumn::set_min_width = 5" to a style in "~/.gtkrc-2.0". any idea why it wouldn't apply? (all other variables from the same style do apply) |
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| 12:14.18 | tralala | :q |
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| 12:16.35 | pharm | fluxdude: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon_64 suggests that Newcastle is Winchester on 90â†Âµm pros. Venice is a core respin on 90µm with SSE3. San Diego is Venice with 1Mb cache. So there you go. |
| 12:17.07 | pharm | hmm. UTF-8 support in epic doesn't like xterm window resizing in the middle of typing :) |
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| 12:17.16 | pharm | µµµµ |
| 12:17.29 | stefan__ | how do I configure eth0? |
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| 12:17.56 | pharm | stefan__: how do you want to configure it? |
| 12:18.03 | x-x- | /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 12:18.32 | stefan__ | pharm, I want it to work as a ethernet-card |
| 12:18.41 | pharm | stefan__: "man interfaces" will tell you about editing /etc/network/interfaces. Latest gnome has a whizzy graphical network setup widget... |
| 12:18.58 | Paivakil | stefan__: see the files in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 12:21.51 | stefan__ | I'm stuck on a woody installation (couldn't install sarge, the machine refused) the base install is thruu but we don't have a internet connection, normaly it just works but it seems that eth0 isn't configured correctly |
| 12:22.24 | stefan__ | we get "eth0 is not configured" |
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| 12:22.59 | cjari | hi |
| 12:23.03 | pharm | stefan__: woody installer == very old. May not have drivers for your hardware. NB saying more than "how do I configure eth0?" in the first place might have got you some more useful answers |
| 12:23.22 | xored | what could be wrong on this iptable rule : http://channels.debian.net/paste/1878 . I still cannot reach the 901 from the inner 192....25 ip |
| 12:23.26 | cjari | how do I boot to the command line? (instead of gnome) |
| 12:23.29 | stefan__ | pharm, drivers are installed.. |
| 12:23.45 | pharm | stefan__: You could try a current etch installer. See http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:24.11 | pharm | cjari: Stop gdm from running at boot. |
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| 12:24.44 | cjari | thank you pharm |
| 12:24.49 | stefan__ | we added "iface eth0 inet dhcp" to /etc/network/interfaces and now it works, thans for the help |
| 12:24.59 | stefan__ | pharm, we added "iface eth0 inet dhcp" to /etc/network/interfaces and now it works, thans for the help |
| 12:25.11 | pharm | stefan__: cool. |
| 12:27.12 | fluxdude | pharm: Thanks I'm going with the San Diego 3700+... |
| 12:28.25 | saintiss | hi, is it possible that my configed printers are not visible in a chrooted environment? |
| 12:28.28 | xored | someone got a good iptables howto ? |
| 12:28.32 | saintiss | I mean, it's the same cups process, so.. |
| 12:28.32 | pharm | fluxdude: have fun! My boss just picked a dual core 4400+, biostar Ideq. V. nice. Bit noisy for my taste though... |
| 12:28.58 | pharm | saintiss: Does the chroot include a cups client? |
| 12:29.42 | saintiss | pharm, a cups client? what is that? |
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| 12:30.35 | saintiss | pharm, do you mean the cupsys-client package? |
| 12:30.45 | pharm | saintiss: Sorry; CUPS = <something>Unix Printing System. Assuming your printers are configured with cups, then you need the cups client bits inside the chroot in order to talk to the cups daemon. |
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| 12:31.01 | pharm | saintiss: Probably. |
| 12:31.04 | tenmon | Hi, I'm not in Debian ATM, anyone can checks something for me? |
| 12:31.12 | pharm | tenmon: depends on what... |
| 12:31.34 | tenmon | I want to know if there is a package called "wx-common" |
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| 12:31.46 | saintiss | pharm, hmm, but installing cupsys-client in the chroot environment doesn't seem to work... |
| 12:31.52 | saintiss | well, it doesn't solve the problem |
| 12:31.56 | ft | tenmon: there is |
| 12:31.56 | jason_ | i have sarge and i am using it as a web server. recently, a friend tried to connect using PUTTY, and it timed out. can you tell me why putty couldn't connect to my server? |
| 12:32.08 | pharm | saintiss: have you set it up? You need to edit /etc/cups/client.conf IIRC. |
| 12:32.12 | azeem | jason_: putty connects to ssh servers, not web servers |
| 12:32.16 | tenmon | ft: can you check if it contains a wx-config script? |
| 12:32.26 | tenmon | I was told that debian didn't :/ |
| 12:32.33 | pharm | jason_: No sshd ? |
| 12:32.56 | jason_ | i dont know...how do i check or how do i get it to become a ssh server? |
| 12:33.13 | azeem | jason_: you have to install ssh |
| 12:33.14 | saintiss | pharm, hmm, ic... I'll have to look up some more info on that I guess.. thanks for the clue though |
| 12:33.34 | jason_ | okay... |
| 12:33.46 | tenmon | or... there is any page saying what packages contains what? |
| 12:33.56 | pharm | tenmon: pdo.debian.net |
| 12:34.01 | tenmon | thanks |
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| 12:36.41 | sylvisj | How the heck would you overclock a cpu on linux? |
| 12:37.01 | sylvisj | Via bios? |
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| 12:37.26 | sylvisj | Actually nvm that was a stupid question |
| 12:37.42 | saad3000 | hello,am behind a proxy and i set it in synaptics network gateway + port 8080 and it fails to install why? |
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| 12:39.07 | sylvisj | Why should you need to set Synaptic to use a proxy? You're already set your proxy up when doing the install, so I wouldn't think you'd need to. Try without the proxy info in Synaptic? |
| 12:39.23 | saad3000 | sylvisj: alright |
| 12:40.59 | saad3000 | wait i didn't setup the proxy during the install how do I set it? |
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| 12:41.16 | tlotze | Hi, does anyone know whether in current testing, the Matrox mga driver can be used with Xorg? |
| 12:41.17 | sylvisj | Are you serious...? It asked you for that info during the base config |
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| 12:41.35 | stefan__ | base-config |
| 12:41.41 | saad3000 | oke |
| 12:41.46 | tlotze | I just upgraded Xorg and get a core dump with the mga. |
| 12:41.56 | saad3000 | sylvisj: no am using a distro based on debian |
| 12:42.12 | sylvisj | !based on debian |
| 12:42.13 | dpkg | Sorry you're not running Debian, but something based off of it. If you're lucky you might get help in #debian, otherwise your best bet is to use the support channel for your chosen distro. If people tell you to go there, please don't argue/complain or demand support |
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| 12:42.25 | saad3000 | stefan__: there is no base-config |
| 12:42.26 | tlotze | There's talk about an mga_hal lib - was that taken out of Xorg? |
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| 12:42.43 | saad3000 | I have proxymanager |
| 12:42.54 | saad3000 | but does synaptic uses special ports |
| 12:42.59 | saad3000 | or its oke if i set 8080? |
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| 12:43.04 | sylvisj | What distro are you using? |
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| 12:43.15 | www | irc yaakov |
| 12:43.43 | stefan__ | pharm, Now the connection is up but when i ping for example google i get about 500ms and apt-get takes forever, any idea? |
| 12:44.21 | saad3000 | sylvisj: elive |
| 12:44.28 | xwl | Hi, does `set ftp:passive-mode false' set lftp in non-passive mode? i try to connect a ftp server under windows which allows only non-passive mode. But seems lftp can't make it.. |
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| 12:45.18 | sylvisj | Join #elive then. |
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| 12:45.22 | stefan__ | pharm, 16% package lost when ping |
| 12:45.26 | saad3000 | sylvisj: k |
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| 12:46.02 | pharm | stefan__: haven't a clue, but sounds like a hardware problem. Probably a duplex mismatch on the ethernet switch. |
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| 12:46.38 | pharm | stefan__: or rather a mismatch between your machine and the port it's plugged into. |
| 12:46.46 | stefan__ | pharm, Our guess is psmcia problem.. |
| 12:47.15 | pharm | stefan__: Did you find out *why* the sarge installer didn't work? |
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| 12:47.35 | jm_ | xwl: man page explains it |
| 12:48.02 | stefan__ | pharm, it hanged when tried to install ide-modules |
| 12:48.28 | xwl | jm_: yeah..i consulted it..but it won't work.. |
| 12:48.43 | TipTap | hmm in a cron job could i have multiple pipes for the command i.e. /usr/sbin/ls | grep this | xargs kill -9 $1 or something ? |
| 12:48.53 | jm_ | xwl: try plain ftp then |
| 12:48.56 | TipTap | that was just an exmaple not what i am going ot do |
| 12:49.08 | jm_ | xwl: or enable debugging in lftp to see what is going on |
| 12:49.48 | pharm | stefan__: Kernel issue then. Personally, I'd try a daily image of the debian installer & see if that works. What laptop are you installing on? Have you checked the linux-on-laptops web pages to see if anyone else has had similar problems? |
| 12:50.12 | pharm | TipTap: yup. |
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| 12:51.00 | coywolf | any1 help me to solve cvs conflicts? |
| 12:51.02 | xwl | jmg: i've already turned on `debug 3'. and the command `lftp site' seems okay. while `ls' says, "<--- 425 Cannot open data connection (10060).". |
| 12:51.21 | xwl | jm_: again and again, repeat that. |
| 12:51.27 | xwl | jmg: sorry.. |
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| 12:51.59 | Paras | Room, need a help.. cannot play midi files in my debian sid box... with kernel 2.6.15. |
| 12:52.09 | ^P | hi, i guess i have updated gtk to 2.0 and XMMS is not displaying correctly. any workarounds ? |
| 12:52.11 | pharm | stefan__: Oh, and file a bug against the sarge installer for your hardware... |
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| 12:52.55 | Paras | do i need any special package to play midi file? |
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| 12:53.30 | toothpick | How do I make the public keys verifiable I just installed debian keyrings, but apt-get update still shows that the public key is not available |
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| 12:53.40 | toothpick | !keyrings |
| 12:53.42 | yaakovb | Hello, I need some help to get my new Debian booting. |
| 12:53.57 | yaakovb | Is this an appropriate place to ask questions? |
| 12:54.19 | yaakovb | I have investigated the problem and I think I know what information |
| 12:54.22 | yaakovb | I need. |
| 12:55.36 | stefan__ | pharm, It's wery old LapPower, celeron 330mhz etc.. |
| 12:55.36 | Xirzon | Where can I get a downgraded version of libxft2 for testing that doesn't have this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=350113 ? |
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| 12:57.16 | pharm | coywolf: I can help you by running screaming away from them... |
| 12:57.19 | sylvisj | !key |
| 12:57.23 | sylvisj | !2006 key |
| 12:57.23 | dpkg | somebody said 2006 key was apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 12:57.35 | coywolf | pharm, Working revision: -1.6 |
| 12:57.35 | coywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.40 | coywolf | pharm, what to do? |
| 12:58.19 | toothpick | thanks! |
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| 12:58.34 | bushwakko | dpkg-deb: building package `contextmanager' in `contextmanager.deb'. |
| 12:58.36 | bushwakko | ' does not appear in packagetextmanager/CM_sippres.log.properties |
| 12:58.40 | bushwakko | what does that mean? |
| 12:59.04 | bushwakko | I have never ever in my life written packagetextmanager anywhere? |
| 12:59.12 | yaakovb | How can I tell Debian to ignore one of two Grapics cards when booting? |
| 12:59.50 | pharm | coywolf: *minus* 1.6 ? That's impressive. |
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| 13:00.16 | sep | yaakovb, define ignore. and before you boot it's all up to bios. after you have booted you can start to think about what debian boes |
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| 13:00.36 | coywolf | pharm, i did a cvs remove, now how to undo? |
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| 13:01.11 | yaakovb | Please explain "define ignore". Do I add this to the kernel options? |
| 13:01.28 | sep | yaakovb, you should tell us what you mean by ignoring the grafic card |
| 13:01.42 | yaakovb | Ok. Here are the details: |
| 13:01.53 | peterS | coywolf: I always forget how to undo things like that, but you can always edit CVS/Entries to remove the filename in question, then do 'cvs update filename' |
| 13:02.17 | yaakovb | * I have two graphics cards: an on-board intel 82845G/GL which doesn't work with the monitor |
| 13:02.34 | yaakovb | and an ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] which would work fine |
| 13:02.35 | coywolf | peterS, it's on cvs.sf.net, i can't touch |
| 13:03.02 | yaakovb | I can start the system fine with Morphics, but with debian it freezes |
| 13:03.11 | yaakovb | during the startup. |
| 13:03.51 | yaakovb | When I choose "internal VGA" card in the BIOS, debian boots fine, but |
| 13:03.57 | yaakovb | I can't use my monitor. |
| 13:03.58 | toothpick | !hold |
| 13:03.58 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 13:04.22 | drac | yaakovb: I'm having hard time to believe those graphics cards are responsible of that.. does it really hang during the boot, or when X or Display Manager tries to launch? |
| 13:04.41 | peterS | coywolf: you can 'cvs get -r1.5 filename' then commit it. I forget whether you first have to remove the sticky tag in your working copy |
| 13:04.52 | peterS | errr, 'cvs up -r1.5 filename' |
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| 13:05.22 | coywolf | peterS, prodigy:~/scm/ext2resize> cvs update -j 1.5 aclocal.m4 |
| 13:05.22 | coywolf | cvs update: conflict: removed aclocal.m4 was modified by second party |
| 13:05.22 | coywolf | C aclocal.m4 |
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| 13:05.51 | yaakovb | For the time beeing, I don't even try to start X. |
| 13:06.01 | peterS | coywolf: conflict means you have the same file in your local working copy already. remove it and try again. or 'cvs merge -r1.6 -r1.5 aclocal.m4' or something |
| 13:06.08 | sep | yaakovb, so it freezes efore mounting root and starting init ? how about duplicating the kernel arguments from morphix on your debian ? |
| 13:06.19 | yaakovb | The system hangs and says "an interrupt handler not synching" |
| 13:06.52 | peterS | ehh, it's been too long since I've used cvs for anything serious. maybe I should shut up, I keep giving not-quite-working advice |
| 13:06.54 | yaakovb | It mounts root fine and goes through many steps of the initialization |
| 13:06.58 | pharm | yaakovb: Sounds like you should try some of the alternate IRQ handling options in the kernel. noapic, pci=biosirq and friends |
| 13:07.18 | yaakovb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.19 | coywolf | peterS, Unknown command: `merge' |
| 13:07.35 | peterS | coywolf: right, right, I thought cvs had a merge subcommand but it doesn't |
| 13:08.17 | stefan__ | when I want to download the debian-dvd-isos wget (and firefox download manager) doesn't understand that they are 4bg and stops after a few hundred gb:s |
| 13:08.23 | yaakovb | I don't understand these options, but I can try them. Please give a list of options that are worth a try. |
| 13:08.38 | stefan__ | when I want to download the debian-dvd-isos wget (and firefox download manager) doesn't understand that they are 4bg and stops after a few hundred gb:s. anybody has a solution? |
| 13:08.56 | pharm | stefan__: use bittorrent |
| 13:09.22 | peterS | stefan__: the problem is the apache server at the other end. it can't deal with files that large. the workaround, as pharm says, is to use another protocol like bittorrent |
| 13:09.32 | toothpick | !openoffice |
| 13:09.32 | dpkg | openoffice.org is, like, an LGPL office productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. See #debian-oo #openoffice.org http://openoffice.debian.net or http://www.openoffice.org |
| 13:09.55 | yaakovb | Another detail: The system did run fine (for more than a year) until I got that new monitor. |
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| 13:10.20 | yaakovb | Because the onboard card doesn't support it, I added the new card. |
| 13:10.39 | yaakovb | Right after adding that card, the normal bootup got stuck. |
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| 13:11.47 | pharm | yaakovb: You'll have to edit the kernel boot arguments in the bootloader (presumbably grub). Try adding noapic first |
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| 13:12.37 | yaakovb | pharm, thank you. I will add the boot parameters in grub (I have done this before). |
| 13:13.14 | yaakovb | However, I have to logoff from here because I am right now using the same computer with the old monitor. |
| 13:13.27 | yaakovb | I will come back later... |
| 13:13.38 | pharm | yaakovb: good luck! |
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| 13:16.22 | kryptoz | hey all |
| 13:16.33 | kryptoz | i downloaded the first dvd of debian .. |
| 13:16.46 | kryptoz | will that be enuf for a installation with kde or gnome ? |
| 13:16.55 | vin` | excessive |
| 13:17.11 | kryptoz | so i get gnome or kde ? |
| 13:17.14 | kryptoz | or both ? |
| 13:17.20 | kryptoz | :) |
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| 13:19.07 | stefan__ | my guess is both |
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| 13:26.37 | kryptoz | stefan__, thanx :D |
| 13:26.45 | kryptoz | i think i am getting goose bumps :D |
| 13:26.47 | epssy | any one here well schooled in gpl requirements, or is aware of some where to ask questions related to it? |
| 13:26.52 | kryptoz | never been on debian before ... |
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| 13:26.57 | kryptoz | gonna say bye bye to slackware for now |
| 13:26.58 | kryptoz | :) |
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| 13:27.21 | ABRAXAS77 | hi |
| 13:27.22 | epssy | kryptoz debian converted me from slackware in a matter of hours :P |
| 13:27.32 | ABRAXAS77 | Somebody may help me with SATA,GRUB,DEBIAN AND XP? |
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| 13:27.39 | Asiiii | hi there |
| 13:27.41 | yaakovb | Hello, I am back with my question on ignoring an on-board graphics card. |
| 13:27.55 | ABRAXAS77 | maybe giving me a tutorial is good also |
| 13:28.07 | epssy | yaakovb did any one suggest to disable it in the bios? |
| 13:28.09 | yaakovb | I tried out the noapic, pci=biosirq kernel boot parameters and they don't help |
| 13:28.25 | Eulex | ABRAXAS77, just ask. |
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| 13:28.40 | yaakovb | I wanted to do that --- but I don't find any bios option for that. |
| 13:28.44 | ABRAXAS77 | Eulex, the grub detect my debian,but no my xp |
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| 13:28.46 | Alth | 806...well that pwns #ubuntu then. |
| 13:28.56 | ABRAXAS77 | Eulex i dont know how to make the configuration og grub for SATA |
| 13:29.02 | ABRAXAS77 | of* |
| 13:29.09 | ABRAXAS77 | i receive error 17 |
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| 13:29.27 | Asiiii | problem: i had gnu/debian 3.0 and upgraded it to 3.1. everything worked fine. now i had to reinstall and did install Gnu/debian 3.1 from scratch. but now every program which runs during resizing my ssh terminal (putty client) does not get the resize and stays at the size when started. ^L does not work. what is the reason? |
| 13:29.29 | foks | Eulex: what does grub say when you try to boot your XP ? |
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| 13:29.47 | yaakovb | When the system boots, the messages fly by quite fast. The last messages |
| 13:29.53 | Eulex | foks, that was directed at ABRAXAS77 |
| 13:29.57 | foks | oups :) |
| 13:30.03 | yaakovb | before the hang-up talk about the i810 Intel... |
| 13:30.05 | ABRAXAS77 | foks dont detect my xp |
| 13:30.07 | yaakovb | chip |
| 13:30.30 | yaakovb | However, after the system hangs, I can't go back to read them |
| 13:30.38 | foks | ABRAXAS77: do neither debian nor xp work or does debian boot fine ? |
| 13:30.51 | ABRAXAS77 | foks debian works ok |
| 13:31.28 | Asiiii | could it be because i use debian in german? |
| 13:31.28 | Eulex | ABRAXAS77, is there any entry in grub for windows xp? |
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| 13:31.48 | ABRAXAS77 | Eulex no |
| 13:31.54 | ABRAXAS77 | Eulex i dont know how to set it |
| 13:31.59 | foks | then add it by hand |
| 13:32.01 | ABRAXAS77 | Eulex do u have a tutorial? |
| 13:32.05 | yaakovb | You mentioned before an ignore option. How does this work? |
| 13:32.08 | foks | vim /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:32.08 | Eulex | ABRAXAS77, add something like title foo \n root (hdN,N) \n savedefault \n makeactive \n chainloader to menu.lst |
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| 13:32.17 | Eulex | ABRAXAS77, where \n is a newline |
| 13:32.38 | ABRAXAS77 | Eulex can u write it at pastebin please? |
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| 13:33.46 | Eulex | ABRAXAS77, this is how it looks for me: http://pastebin.com/564307 (you'll have to adjust (hd0,1)) |
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| 13:34.03 | ABRAXAS77 | Eulex but is configuration for SATA? |
| 13:34.22 | foks | ABRAXAS77: is your XP on the primary or secondary drive ? |
| 13:34.25 | Eulex | ABRAXAS77, you don't have to do anything special for sata. |
| 13:34.36 | foks | sata/ata doesn't make any deifference for booting windows with grub |
| 13:34.52 | ABRAXAS77 | foks there is just 1 primari...ah, Eulex sorry, |
| 13:34.54 | Eulex | ABRAXAS77, it's (hdN,M) where N is the number of the drive and M is the number of the partition |
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| 13:34.59 | Mark` | i was cursing debian all night and then i realized i had my headphones plugged into the wrong soundcard |
| 13:34.59 | Mark` | =[ |
| 13:35.03 | ABRAXAS77 | thank you |
| 13:35.17 | ABRAXAS77 | so ill add those lines |
| 13:35.19 | Eulex | ABRAXAS77, and it starts at 0, so (hd0,0) is the first partition on the first drive |
| 13:35.46 | Mark` | its not really my fault, i was working remotely and everytime i came downstairs to tinker with it physically i had to watch my brother pull up his pants real fast ;p |
| 13:35.56 | Mark` | such a demented pervert |
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| 13:36.20 | ABRAXAS77 | thnx Eulex foks ill go to try,and ill back |
| 13:36.26 | Eulex | ABRAXAS77, yw :) |
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| 13:37.23 | Anthro | Anyone know of a tool to look inside a .chm file? I am looking for something that acts like tar, not a help viewer. |
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| 13:44.30 | Asiiii | does noone has a clue? |
| 13:44.59 | z3rd | what do you need? |
| 13:44.59 | epsilon | yes, we are all clueless |
| 13:45.08 | azeem | read scrollback |
| 13:45.26 | epsilon | Anthro: you mean windows help file? |
| 13:46.05 | azeem | Asiiii: I don't know, sorry |
| 13:46.15 | Eulex | Asiiii, no, it has nothing to do with that you're locale is german. but I can't help you with it. |
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| 13:48.16 | ejofee | i added "GtkTreeViewColumn::set_min_width = 5" to a style in "~/.gtkrc-2.0". any idea why it wouldn't apply? (all other variables from the same style do apply) |
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| 13:49.37 | ABRAXAS77 | foks Eulex |
| 13:49.45 | ABRAXAS77 | error 17 still |
| 13:49.50 | Anthro | epsilon: Yes. |
| 13:49.56 | ABRAXAS77 | mi config is it http://pastebin.com/564320 |
| 13:50.00 | ABRAXAS77 | my* |
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| 13:50.30 | Asiiii | :( |
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| 13:50.46 | epsilon | Anthro: I just googled, there are liblaries doing that, just check it out |
| 13:50.51 | ABRAXAS77 | somebody can tell me where is the error here? http://pastebin.com/564320 |
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| 13:51.19 | jsizzle | does anyone know why my firefox 1.5.0.1 is crashing quickly and constantly on debian testing? |
| 13:51.26 | Anthro | epsilon: Libraries, yes, but I was hoping someone could point me to a commandline utility. |
| 13:51.32 | jsizzle | it just started happening yesterday when i apt-get dist-upgraded |
| 13:51.44 | jsizzle | maybe a package is broken, anyone heard anything |
| 13:52.01 | yaakovb | can you please point me to a list of the kernel boot options? |
| 13:52.19 | yaakovb | I need to disable some driver because it hangs the booting |
| 13:52.25 | Eulex | jsizzle, run it in a term, see what it prints when it crashes. |
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| 13:52.36 | ABRAXAS77 | Eulex can u see that? 1. |
| 13:52.36 | ABRAXAS77 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.37 | ABRAXAS77 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.37 | ABRAXAS77 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.37 | ABRAXAS77 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.37 | ABRAXAS77 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:52.38 | Eno_ | Hello! I'm running unstable (!) and my xorg gives me a blank screen when I use the savage driver. My video card is "S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV" -- is this a common problem? Can I fix it? |
| 13:52.47 | vin` | Anthro: extract_chmLib part of libchm-bin |
| 13:52.57 | Eno_ | BTW it works great with vesa. |
| 13:53.04 | resiak | Have you checked the BTS? |
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| 13:53.35 | ABRAXAS77 | sorry |
| 13:53.53 | Eulex | ABRAXAS77, are you sure that your windows partition is (hd0,1)? |
| 13:54.02 | ABRAXAS77 | Eulex yes |
| 13:54.33 | Eulex | ABRAXAS77, /topic |
| 13:54.48 | ABRAXAS77 | what? |
| 13:55.09 | ABRAXAS77 | what /topic means? |
| 13:55.19 | Eulex | "/msg bots NOT people" |
| 13:55.50 | resiak | ABRAXAS77: Type /topic into your IRC client |
| 13:55.57 | foks | ABRAXAS77: /topic |
| 13:55.59 | foks | oups |
| 13:56.22 | ABRAXAS77 | TOPIC not enough parameters |
| 13:56.27 | Eno_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.52 | ABRAXAS77 | ah,ok |
| 13:57.41 | ABRAXAS77 | in /dev/sda1 i have the xp |
| 13:57.50 | foks | ABRAXAS77: are you sure your XP is on the 2nd partition of the first drive ? |
| 13:57.57 | ABRAXAS77 | in /dev/sda3 the ext3 partition |
| 13:58.07 | foks | /dev/sda1 ? should be (hd0,0) then |
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| 13:58.12 | resiak | So you mean hd0,0 |
| 13:58.13 | ABRAXAS77 | foks no,in the irst partition |
| 13:58.19 | foks | first == 0 !! |
| 13:58.25 | foks | first != 1 !! |
| 13:58.28 | Eulex | ABRAXAS77, /dev/sda1 is (hd0,0) |
| 13:58.32 | ABRAXAS77 | ah |
| 13:58.35 | resiak | (as far as GRUB is concerned.) |
| 13:58.47 | foks | the first drive is 0, then why would the first partition be 1 ? |
| 13:58.55 | ABRAXAS77 | sorry |
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| 13:59.48 | ABRAXAS77 | and sda3= 2? |
| 14:00.20 | vin` | 0,2 |
| 14:00.27 | foks | ABRAXAS77: you're smart :) |
| 14:00.33 | ABRAXAS77 | jeje |
| 14:01.07 | Eno_ | Well if you're not used from counting from zero.. |
| 14:01.13 | Eno_ | to * |
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| 14:01.33 | ABRAXAS77 | well,my debian is as 2 alredy |
| 14:01.56 | xeyes | ? |
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| 14:02.37 | Mark` | what can play music from the command line |
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| 14:02.51 | foks | Mark`: mpg123, ogg123 |
| 14:03.00 | Mark` | excellent |
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| 14:03.00 | Eno_ | My xorg turns black and I have to power off when I use the "savage" driver... |
| 14:03.04 | GelidaG4 | Hola! |
| 14:03.19 | ejk | Mark`: mp3blaster too |
| 14:03.26 | GelidaG4 | necesitaria un poquillo de ayuda con mi instalacion de debian ppc para mi pegasos2 |
| 14:03.26 | Eno_ | moc |
| 14:03.40 | Eno_ | Mark`: moc is excellent if you want something with a playlist! |
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| 14:03.50 | Eno_ | Or mocp |
| 14:04.09 | foks | !es |
| 14:04.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:04.12 | GelidaG4 | hay alguin que hable espańol |
| 14:04.15 | GelidaG4 | ? |
| 14:04.24 | azeem | GelidaG4: not here, but in #debian-es |
| 14:04.25 | GelidaG4 | ok thanks! |
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| 14:04.49 | guiding5 | Anybody familiar with "Error in I830WaitLpRing()," Crash Error message in Xorg ? |
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| 14:05.45 | deeptz | kk |
| 14:05.52 | resiak | Now, why does /dev/xday count from y=1 not y=0? |
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| 14:06.27 | Eulex | resiak, hmm, no /dev/xday on my system |
| 14:06.47 | ABRAXAS77 | Eulex foks thnx |
| 14:06.52 | ABRAXAS77 | ill try |
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| 14:07.22 | mrverbose | hi |
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| 14:07.28 | resiak | Eulex: x == [sh] |
| 14:07.36 | resiak | Eulex: y = [1..] |
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| 14:09.20 | foks | /dev/sda0 would be the physical disk |
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| 14:13.08 | locus | hola, i have a problem concerning building a .deb package. I'd like to use a different install prefix (other than /usr)..therefore I have adapted the configure flags in debian/rules appropriately but the packages still installs everything in /usr. |
| 14:13.11 | jsizzle | ok, when I run firefox it crashes with "/usr/loca/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2: undefined symbol: FT_GlypSlot_Embolden |
| 14:13.16 | Davey|Work | Is there any way to tell apt to pass the --limit-rate flag to wget when doing a dist-upgrade? |
| 14:13.20 | jsizzle | can anyone help? I'm running debian testing |
| 14:13.29 | jsizzle | kernel 2.4.32 |
| 14:14.04 | abrotman | jsizzle: did you do apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade ? |
| 14:14.26 | Eulex | jsizzle, libxft2 in testing is b0rked. |
| 14:14.41 | jsizzle | yes, and this didn't start happening until I did that, yesterday. i did another today to try to fix but there's no updates |
| 14:14.52 | jsizzle | Eulex: what should I do? switch to unstable/ |
| 14:14.54 | jsizzle | ? |
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| 14:15.10 | jsizzle | or is there a fix in incoming.debian.org? |
| 14:15.14 | Eulex | jsizzle, you could fetch an older version of libxft2 from http://snapshot.debian.net |
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| 14:16.13 | jsizzle | I guess that's what I'll try, I haven't run unstable in a few years and never on a laptop so I dunno if I wanna switch |
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| 14:16.44 | jsizzle | plus kernel 2.6 doesn't like my touchpad for some reason it interprets single taps as double taps, but 2.4 works fine |
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| 14:17.18 | jhenn | hi. what is a good calendaring app for debian? |
| 14:19.05 | chealer | jsizzle: get sid's libfreetype6 |
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| 14:20.16 | jsizzle | chealer: wouldn't i have to upgrade to sid? |
| 14:20.25 | chealer | jsizzle: hehe, no |
| 14:20.42 | chealer | jsizzle: "upgrading to sid" doesn't make much sense |
| 14:20.48 | chealer | !tell jsizzle about esm |
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| 14:30.45 | moi | hey, i've a creative live! card here, with two line-outs. the first one is used for my pc speakers, to other ends up in my hifi box. now i have to adjust the volume for both individually, so pcm seems not to affect my second line-out which is declined as: wave surround in alsamixer... how can i chain both to follow the pcm level? |
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| 14:31.45 | Chocobo | Alright, is there a way to make my public (openssh) key work on a remote computer that uses the commercial version from ssh.com? |
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| 14:32.38 | jsizzle | If I'm tying to use libfreetype6 on unstable how do I tell stuff to stop using libxft2 and start using libfreetype6? |
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| 14:34.14 | resiak | jsizzle: Remove libxft2? recompile stuff? |
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| 14:41.02 | Lt_Winters | hi |
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| 14:41.33 | Lt_Winters | Konqueror, how the hell do I fix the webbrowser to use another application then say kde wallet manager (which is suppose to be deleted) I'm currently using keepass |
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| 14:42.08 | chealer | Lt_Winters: ask #debian-kde or even #kde |
| 14:42.23 | Faust | find lsb-release |
| 14:42.26 | Lt_Winters | k |
| 14:42.27 | Lt_Winters | tx |
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| 14:42.43 | Faust | sorry - wanted to talk to the bot :-) |
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| 14:44.31 | bkankur | hello friends i am getting gamma.h error while compiling kernel 2.6.11.12 make[4]: *** [drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.o] Error any suggestions |
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| 14:45.51 | chealer | bkankur: people may wonder why you'd want to compile Linux 2.6.11 |
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| 14:46.14 | bkankur | chealer: as its mention in LFS and i want to implement in debian |
| 14:46.31 | chealer | bkankur: LFS? |
| 14:46.44 | bkankur | chealer: linux from scratch.. |
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| 14:47.55 | cr3 | when I type a utf8 accented character in zsh and then press backspace, it seems to mess up my command line. what could be wrong? |
| 14:48.06 | chealer | bkankur: so you're asking #debian for help with linux from scratch? FAIK linux from scratch exists so you get fun fixing stuff by yourself. |
| 14:48.18 | chealer | s/FAIK/AFAIK |
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| 14:49.10 | Kernel_core | hi all |
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| 14:49.12 | rambo3 | kinitrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15.686-splash-smp 2.6.15.686-splash-smp << what is the error in this line ? |
| 14:49.20 | rambo3 | except mkinitrd |
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| 14:49.33 | junix-other | is there a nvidia kernel in sarge? |
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| 14:49.50 | chealer | junix-other: what do you mean by "nvidia kernel"? |
| 14:49.50 | foks | nvidia kernel ? |
| 14:50.09 | foks | "an nvidia module in the linux kernel" ? |
| 14:50.12 | junix-other | when i type apt-cache search nvidia nothing c0omes up |
| 14:50.16 | foks | wow |
| 14:50.23 | Kernel_core | hi all .. |
| 14:50.26 | junix-other | foks: yes that's what i mean, its monday |
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| 14:51.16 | Kernel_core | I am looking for asterisk-1.2.4 debian package ... it seems Debian official site doesn't work for search... |
| 14:51.18 | foks | junix-other: you have 2 choises 1/ use 'nv' driver (no need to install anything) 2/ install nvidia proprietary driver (download it from www.nvidia.com) |
| 14:51.35 | junix-other | foks: neither work properly |
| 14:51.46 | junix-other | is there a kernel module in unstable? |
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| 14:52.11 | foks | junix-other: what's going wrong exactly ? |
| 14:52.17 | chealer | foks: please don't recommend people here to use nvidia.com's installer |
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| 14:52.36 | foks | chealer: ok, sorry about that, won't do it again :) |
| 14:52.42 | junix-other | foks: its not displaying the resolution properly |
| 14:52.51 | rambo3 | just point to dpkg boot |
| 14:53.14 | chealer | !tell Kernel_core about info asterisk |
| 14:53.19 | madazulu | download nvidia-xconfig |
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| 14:53.45 | junix-other | madazulu: i can't i'm on sarge |
| 14:53.54 | madazulu | then nvidia-xconfig --mode resolution |
| 14:53.59 | madazulu | oh |
| 14:54.05 | madazulu | :/ |
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| 14:54.35 | junix-other | i want to upgrade again but my X wouldn't come back up on my pc on friday so i had to nuke it |
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| 14:56.18 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:56.19 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:57.24 | Mark` | lol i have officially out of memoried linux for the first time! |
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| 14:58.03 | Kernel_core | <dpkg> asterisk: (Open Source Private Branch Exchange (PBX) - dummy package), section comm, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.4.dfsg-6 (sid), Packaged size: 206 kB, Installed size: 556 kB <----- OKey but where do I get it !? |
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| 14:58.18 | rambo3 | !find nvidia-xconfig |
| 14:58.23 | dpkg | nvidia-xconfig: (The NVIDIA X Configuration Tool), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.0+20051122-2 (sid), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 14:58.25 | chealer | Kernel_core: "(sid)" |
| 14:58.35 | Kernel_core | sid ? |
| 14:58.43 | bkankur | i hve fresh installed debian. the kernel is 2.6.8-2-686. but i didnt find the source code. so how and where i can find that . |
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| 14:58.56 | chealer | Kernel_core: what, you don't know what's sid? |
| 14:59.05 | Kernel_core | honestly no ... |
| 14:59.17 | chealer | !tell Kernel_core about sid |
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| 15:00.00 | chealer | bkankur: kernel-source-2.6.8 |
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| 15:00.16 | yos87 | hi |
| 15:00.28 | bkankur | chealer: thank you but what should i type using apt |
| 15:00.40 | chealer | bkankur: which release do you use? |
| 15:00.40 | radone | If I have project created with c++ & autotools - how can I create *.deb package? |
| 15:00.47 | Kernel_core | chealer: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/comm/ I can't find it here :) |
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| 15:01.29 | bkankur | chealer: sarge 3.1r1 |
| 15:02.06 | yos87 | Can I install debian with with windows in the same pc |
| 15:02.29 | Kernel_core | yos87: you can install it |
| 15:02.38 | Mark` | i guess smbclient cant handle 24gb of stuff =[ |
| 15:02.43 | Mark` | time to set up pure-ftp |
| 15:03.20 | yos87 | kernal_core: in the gnome menue there is "boot" is it from here to do that? |
| 15:03.31 | chealer | bkankur: sorry, I was confused. to install the kernel source use # apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 15:03.39 | junix-other | does anyone know how to change the directory where apache2 points the default site too? |
| 15:03.54 | fireba11 | junix-other: pretty easy |
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| 15:04.16 | junix-other | fireba11: ok how, its been a while since i've plaed with apache let alone apache2 |
| 15:04.20 | fireba11 | junix-other: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/@default |
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| 15:05.01 | yos87 | kernal_core: how to do that |
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| 15:05.06 | fireba11 | junix-other: or the /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
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| 15:05.17 | junix-other | fireba11: what would be the easiest? |
| 15:05.49 | Kernel_core | yos87: if you want to boot your windows directly when you are in linux , it is impossible unless you install VMWare |
| 15:05.58 | chealer | Kernel_core: packages.d.o always lags a bit. asterisk 1.2.4 only entered Debian yesterdat |
| 15:06.22 | fireba11 | junix-other: depends on what you what to achieve |
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| 15:06.38 | junix-other | i want to make /var/www/newdir my default homepage |
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| 15:06.45 | bkankur | chealer: its giving error.. Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 15:06.59 | Kernel_core | chealer: so what should I do ?! wait....? |
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| 15:07.13 | _with_a_y | anyone happen to know much about self-signed ssl certs? |
| 15:07.20 | chealer | bkankur: "kernel-source-2.6.8" |
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| 15:07.40 | _with_a_y | ...or where i could go to ask a simple ssl cert question? |
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| 15:07.53 | chealer | bkankur: consider trying synaptic if you're not familiar with Debian package management |
| 15:07.53 | junix-other | fireba11: how do i do it with httpd.conf? |
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| 15:09.38 | coolpix | lo |
| 15:09.43 | bkankur | chealer: it gives "Package kernel-source-2.6.8 is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package kernel-source-2.6.8 has no installation candidate" |
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| 15:10.40 | chealer | bkankur: hum, and you're using Debian 3.1r1? is APT otherwise seem to be working? |
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| 15:11.04 | yos87_2 | I back |
| 15:11.21 | bkankur | chealer: what it means.. that APT is not working..? |
| 15:11.37 | TipTap | hmm i'm trying to use a key to ssh, i ran ssh-keygen rsa took that key and put it on the server and then did ssh -i key user@host.net but i get permission denied |
| 15:12.01 | chealer | bkankur: actually, it indicates your APT sources have some issue |
| 15:12.16 | yos87_2 | kernal_core: I mean when boot choose windows or debian |
| 15:12.38 | bkankur | okey. I have all the cds. from 1 to 12. so can if you know which cd contains the kernel source |
| 15:12.56 | yos87_2 | kernal_core: I don't care if it is in the same disk, or in other disk |
| 15:12.57 | chealer | bkankur: aren't there 14? :) |
| 15:13.02 | chealer | !cd contents |
| 15:13.02 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 15:13.12 | loxley_ | TipTap: and you enabled it in sshd_config? to use public key auth? |
| 15:13.25 | TipTap | yep |
| 15:13.33 | chealer | bkankur: so it would be on CD 13 |
| 15:13.39 | yos87_2 | kernal_core: because it's problem if there is two user in the same pc, and on does not like debian |
| 15:13.56 | chealer | hum, strangely high |
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| 15:14.25 | bkankur | chealer: okey.. let me download now 13 and 14 too.. which were left to download. thank you. any more suggestions left pls |
| 15:14.27 | zebalin4 | Is there a time of day (UT?) when packages enter Sid? I believe it is 1700 hours UT for Etch (testing). |
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| 15:14.50 | loxley_ | TipTap: and you put the pubkey in authorized_keys ? |
| 15:14.57 | TipTap | yep |
| 15:14.59 | yos87_2 | kernal_core: can you hear me? |
| 15:15.13 | chealer | bkankur: yes, get a real APT source (try apt-setup) |
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| 15:15.24 | loxley_ | TipTap: then run ssh with debug option |
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| 15:17.02 | zebalin4 | What is 'echo' command to beep the pcspeaker? |
| 15:17.13 | yos87_2 | kernal_core is not responding |
| 15:17.27 | _with_a_y | if i have a server named server1.example.com with a couple of cname records pointing to it (like imap.example.com and smtp.example.com), when making self-signed ssl certs, do i use the FQDN of the server and make just one cert? or can i make 2 certs, one using imap... and another for smtp... as the common names? |
| 15:17.35 | yos87_2 | someone can help my to install debian and windows in the same pc |
| 15:17.39 | yos87_2 | if I have 2 hdd |
| 15:17.57 | Mark` | with_a_y i think you need to go by ip address |
| 15:18.06 | chealer | yos87_2: his nick is Kernel_core |
| 15:18.07 | Mark` | i dont think you can host ssl by name |
| 15:18.33 | bkankur | chealer: After using apt-setup. in future if i want some package than it gets from the internet.. and there is versoning problem arises. is it so.. ? bec. i have that kind of problem in past |
| 15:18.51 | chealer | Kernel_core: sorry, I missed your question. which release do you use? |
| 15:18.58 | _with_a_y | Mark`: i know that's true for apache, but i'm not quite sure about any other type of server |
| 15:18.59 | Mark` | _with_a_y: are you talking about the common name field? |
| 15:19.08 | _with_a_y | Mark`: yes. |
| 15:19.29 | Mark` | let me pm you |
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| 15:19.32 | Mark` | i dont want to flood here |
| 15:19.33 | chealer | bkankur: it shouldn't be so. if it does, come back explaining exactly which problems |
| 15:19.33 | yos87_2 | chealer: but I think he will see it it's only 'K' mistake if he use xchat |
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| 15:19.38 | _with_a_y | sure. thanks. |
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| 15:20.12 | chealer | yos87_2: I don't know, I don't use Xchat |
| 15:20.14 | bkankur | chealer: thank you once again |
| 15:20.39 | yos87_2 | chealer: what do you use? is it irssi? |
| 15:20.40 | bkankur | than which application you use for irc chat.. let us know pls |
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| 15:20.58 | chealer | yos87_2: I use konversation mostly now |
| 15:21.22 | chealer | bkankur: hehe, Xchat is not bad. I just prefer konversation since I use KDE |
| 15:21.25 | yos87_2 | chealer: let me see it .. |
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| 15:21.33 | bcc | what's an lcd inverter? |
| 15:21.50 | bkankur | yeah.. thankx friend |
| 15:22.40 | yos87_2 | Kernal_core: hi |
| 15:23.32 | bkankur | thanx to all and good night and sweet dreams.. take care.. and pls remember GOD.. before sleeping.. :-) |
| 15:23.34 | chealer | yos87_2: I didn't mean you had the wrong capitalization. his nick is KErnel_core |
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| 15:23.50 | chealer | yos87_2: sorry, KernEl_core |
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| 15:24.59 | yos87_2 | ok |
| 15:25.08 | myren | i've got a Mono program outputting to another program just via pipes; |
| 15:25.17 | myren | Mono uses UTF-16 internally for everything |
| 15:25.30 | yos87_2 | chealer: that is why you say 'I don't use Xchat' (^^) |
| 15:25.31 | kspath | I would not run KDE daily unless I had 4GB RAM and a dual 2Ghz processor |
| 15:25.35 | myren | i'm presuming that means it's really multi-byte characters being returned? |
| 15:25.51 | chealer | yos87_2: yes :) |
| 15:25.54 | kspath | I would not run GNOME daily unless I had 4GB RAM and a dual 2Ghz processor |
| 15:26.02 | Mark` | myren: strings are stored internally as an array of UTF-16 chars for unicode compat |
| 15:26.12 | Mark` | but when you do something like .WriteLine, its converted to ascii |
| 15:26.24 | Mark` | it depends on your locale settings and whatnot |
| 15:26.32 | chealer | kspath: who hasn't 4GB of RAM nowadays anyway? |
| 15:26.36 | kspath | mortal: cool, I use ion3 |
| 15:26.36 | myren | Mark`: how can I get the program to pass in Unicode? |
| 15:26.45 | cmdKeen | I have 512MB ram :-/ |
| 15:26.56 | Mark` | myren: C#? |
| 15:26.56 | TipTap | hmm, is it possible to generate the private key from the public key? |
| 15:27.11 | myren | my laptop has 232 mb |
| 15:27.20 | chealer | TipTap: what kind of key? |
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| 15:27.31 | myren | crusoe. codemorphing software takes up 24 of the 256mb ram. |
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| 15:27.40 | yos87_2 | _root: hi |
| 15:27.45 | TipTap | ssh keys, i generated one via ssh-keygen |
| 15:28.01 | Mark` | myren: what function are you using to output |
| 15:28.08 | myren | Mark`: it should be outputting UTF-16... how do I get linux not to bastardize it to ascii? |
| 15:28.10 | TipTap | a private and a public, i was wondering if i lose the private key, whether i can generate it from the public key? |
| 15:28.24 | myren | I'm just using Ruby on Rails' `backtick` operator |
| 15:28.26 | yos87_2 | chealer: konversation is nice |
| 15:28.38 | yos87_2 | chealer: thank you to interduce me to it |
| 15:28.38 | Mark` | hrm im not familiar with ruby =[ |
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| 15:28.55 | Mark` | its mono bastardizing it, not linux |
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| 15:29.03 | chealer | TipTap: don't you think that would defeat the purpose of having a private and a public key? |
| 15:29.09 | yos87_2 | chealer: but when I write something it say cannot send to channel |
| 15:29.22 | chealer | yos87_2: which channel? |
| 15:29.42 | yos87_2 | chealer: debian |
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| 15:30.06 | _keroppi_ | How can I find out what .deb packages are a part of Xorg 6.8 and Xorg 6.9, without building them? |
| 15:30.12 | chealer | yos87_2: anything else it says? although #konversation may be more helpful anyway |
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| 15:30.33 | yos87_2 | chealer: and more option |
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| 15:30.44 | TipTap | well kind of yes, though i would have thought if you had the public key then you would be able to get hold of the private key |
| 15:30.50 | TipTap | but obvoiusly this isn't the case |
| 15:30.55 | TipTap | which is fine |
| 15:30.57 | cmdKeen | wow, xorg 6.9.0 finally supports my shitty Radeon 9250, but without 3d acceleration and fglrx driver isn't avialable for xorg 6.9:-/ What can I do with that ? |
| 15:30.59 | freeone3000 | I would think it would be the other way around... |
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| 15:31.23 | chealer | _keroppi_: see the xorg-x11 source package .changes for 6.8 and the current packages list for 6.9 |
| 15:32.02 | chealer | cmdKeen: are you sure the fglrx driver isn't available for 6.9? |
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| 15:32.20 | nixie | chealer: the debian non-free package sure isnt |
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| 15:32.46 | nixie | Xorg's MAXVERSION set to 6.8.999 for fglrx-driver in non-free |
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| 15:33.09 | drac | chealer: why would anyone having r200 -type of radeon and xorg 6.9/7.0 would want to use fglrx? |
| 15:33.11 | chealer | AFAIK the Debian fglrx has never been releasable anyway |
| 15:33.15 | drac | and yeah, fglrx is available for 6.9 and 7.0 |
| 15:33.41 | nixie | chealer: its in etch |
| 15:33.42 | _keroppi_ | chealer: I found a bunch of CHANGES files, but their are several of them. One in xc/lib/Xaw, another one in xc/extras/Xpm... and so on |
| 15:33.50 | cmdKeen | chealer, not even there https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894 nor in testing. Or perhaps I missed something... |
| 15:34.14 | chealer | drac: I don't know, I never used ATI's proprietary 3D drivers on GNU/Linux |
| 15:34.17 | yos87_2 | how to install debian and windows in the same pc, someone know. I had ask the question many time, sorry for trouble in the channel |
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| 15:34.33 | cmdKeen | drac, and how should I make 3d acc work wthout these buggy drivers, hmm ? |
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| 15:34.36 | chealer | drac: although I thought they had better performance than the free drivers |
| 15:34.43 | azeem | _keroppi_: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xorg-x11/news/2.html <- that .changes |
| 15:35.12 | Oomph | would anyone here happen to have a link to a netinstall ISO of testing or unstable? |
| 15:35.20 | chealer | !tell Oomph about d-i |
| 15:35.26 | drac | chealer: 7000-9250 Radeon users, using X.org 6.9+ are getting much better 3D performance with open source drivers, plus stable Composite Extension support and new 2D RenderAccel.. |
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| 15:36.01 | chealer | nixie: it doesn't seem to be in Etch |
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| 15:36.10 | tarsonis | hey guys, can anyone help me? a friend of mine is trying to install debian sid, but he hangs on gnome |
| 15:36.15 | Oomph | thx |
| 15:36.17 | drac | cmdKeen: ATi releases drivers in 2 forms, .rpm packages and installer, currently installer has drivers supporting 6.9 and 7.0 but .rpm's doesn't. I don't know how Debian has packaged it's own .debs. |
| 15:36.17 | tarsonis | gnome wants libopenh323-1.18.0, but the version is unavailable |
| 15:36.19 | tarsonis | even on gentoo. |
| 15:36.32 | _keroppi_ | azeem: Thanks |
| 15:36.40 | upstart | l |
| 15:36.52 | ke6isf | tarsonis: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 15:36.53 | _keroppi_ | chealer: Out of interest though, why doesn't xorg-x11 give you a .changes file as well as the .dsc file, like other packages? |
| 15:37.07 | chealer | yos87_2: just try installing Windows then Debian...writing overwriting Windows' partition |
| 15:37.17 | tarsonis | ke6isf, he's using debian sid/unstable with 2.6.15-1-686 kernel |
| 15:37.38 | tarsonis | ke6isf, afaik gnome isnt even available on etch |
| 15:37.42 | cmdKeen | drac, Flavio provided drviers and they moved throughs sid to Etch, but they disappeared from Etch. |
| 15:37.45 | chealer | cmdKeen: I wouldn't know where to find them. ask #ati |
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| 15:37.51 | ke6isf | tarsonis: Then remind him of the bts... |
| 15:37.54 | ke6isf | !tell tarsonis -about bts |
| 15:37.56 | drac | cmdKeen: And you don't need fglrx.. at all.. just load "radeon" kernel module coming with your default Debian kernel and stay with driver "radeon" you allready got. |
| 15:38.07 | chealer | drac: ah, nice to learn |
| 15:39.03 | cmdKeen | drac, last time I tryied radeon driver it it didn't work(that R9250 is probably a bit uncompatible to 9200 or whatever). But let's try it now... |
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| 15:39.14 | chealer | tarsonis: this is a volunteer support channel. Use a sane release if you want a chance to get help |
| 15:39.34 | tarsonis | chealer, using stable or testing? never. not for a desktop system. |
| 15:39.38 | drac | cmdKeen: nope, 9250 is just stripped down 9200, lower core and mem MHz but it's a same card. |
| 15:39.49 | freeone3000 | Testing's pretty nice, actually. |
| 15:39.49 | tarsonis | well ke6isf, there arent any bugs for libobenh323 on bugs.debian.org, well, fine, i'll have to look how i get around |
| 15:39.54 | drac | cmdKeen: stupid marketing trick by ati |
| 15:40.23 | chealer | tarsonis: yes |
| 15:40.26 | ke6isf | Off to werk... |
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| 15:41.18 | TPC | test, ignore this |
| 15:41.37 | chealer | _keroppi_: I'm not sure what you mean. xorg-x11 doesn't give a .changes and .dsc files? |
| 15:41.40 | cmdKeen | drac, oh, that would make sense. trying reset X with driver "radeon" |
| 15:42.05 | _keroppi_ | chealer: Just a .dsc file, no .changes, this is when I type "apt-get source xorg-x11", which downloads xorg 6.9.0 |
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| 15:42.35 | chealer | _keroppi_: I don't see why the source would include a .changes file |
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| 15:42.48 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to edit the "Debian Menu" that pops up when one left clicks on an empty spot in an fvwm's desktop's background? |
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| 15:44.03 | lolman | kingsley: /msg dpkg menu ? |
| 15:44.50 | kingsley | lolman: Thanks |
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| 15:45.18 | tarsonis | well this sucks actually. |
| 15:45.30 | _keroppi_ | chealer: Other source packages do, like console-tools. When you said "see the xorg-x11 source package", what package did you mean explicitly? (I assume you meant to apt-get source it) |
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| 15:45.44 | zebalin4 | What is the command to see the services (dbus, etc.). I think it is update-alternatives something? |
| 15:46.23 | blondie | er |
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| 15:48.10 | chealer | zebalin4: $ ls /etc/init.d/; ? you must be thinking about update-rc.d |
| 15:48.48 | yos87 | Can I install acdsee (exe) in debian |
| 15:48.49 | chealer | _keroppi_: see http://packages.qa.debian.org/xorg-x11 |
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| 15:49.45 | stefan_ | I cant run base-config, it does not exist. whats wrong? |
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| 15:49.54 | _keroppi_ | chealer: thanks |
| 15:50.08 | zebalin4 | chealer: there is some command that puts up an ncurses screen with all the services and you can check or uncheck them. Can't remember what it is. |
| 15:50.24 | chealer | zebalin4: that must be rcconf |
| 15:51.07 | chealer | stefan_: which release do you use? |
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| 15:51.20 | zebalin4 | chealer: yes, I beleve that is it. |
| 15:51.23 | zebalin4 | thanks. |
| 15:51.29 | stefan_ | chealer, stable, sarge |
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| 15:51.37 | delta89 | hi |
| 15:51.43 | chealer | yos87: acdsee seems to be for Windows only |
| 15:51.49 | delta89 | http://s1.bitefight.it/c.php?uid=39478 |
| 15:51.49 | delta89 | http://s1.bitefight.it/c.php?uid=39478 |
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| 15:52.46 | yos87 | chealer: even with wine? no althernative? |
| 15:52.54 | yos87 | chealer: gtksee is very poor |
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| 15:53.09 | chealer | stefan_: is it installed? |
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| 15:54.08 | Ummmmm | hi folks ... my new debian box is on the company network, all networking seems to be working fine. Except that while I can ping somemachine.mycompany.local without any problem, I can't ping somemachine without appending .mycompany.local. I need to set the default domain. How? |
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| 15:54.18 | stefan_ | chealer, when i do "apt-get install base-config" it say something like it's impossible to install |
| 15:54.21 | chealer | yos87: how can #debian know if some Windows software works with wine... ask #winehq if they don't mind that kind of questions. I don't no what it is, so I can't say if there are alternatives |
| 15:54.37 | chealer | stefan_: consider pasting the actual message |
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| 15:55.05 | stefan_ | chealer, apt-get install base-config |
| 15:55.05 | stefan_ | Läser paketlistor... Färdig |
| 15:55.05 | stefan_ | Bygger beroendeträd... Färdig |
| 15:55.05 | stefan_ | Nĺgra paket kunde inte installeras. Detta kan betyde att du har |
| 15:55.05 | stefan_ | bett om en omöjlig situation eller, om du använder den instabila |
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| 15:55.09 | RedACE | source for httpd 2.0.x package in testing? |
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| 15:55.19 | chealer | RedACE: yes? |
| 15:55.39 | RedACE | not a yes/no question :( |
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| 15:56.03 | chealer | RedACE: so what's your question? |
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| 15:56.11 | RedACE | what is the source for it? |
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| 15:56.48 | RedACE | not in testing main |
| 15:56.49 | chealer | RedACE: what do you mean? the name of apache2's source package? |
| 15:56.58 | stefan_ | chealer, kicked when i pasted, and its in swedish... but it says that i can't install base-config because of openoffice...?!?! |
| 15:57.27 | RedACE | no, I want to know what I need to have in sources.list for apt to get httpd 2.0.x |
| 15:57.33 | _rene__ | stefan_: base-config is obsolete. |
| 15:57.38 | _rene__ | stefan_: ignore it. |
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| 15:58.17 | chealer | stefan_: paste the message somewhere like in a paster as dpkg should have indicated, and in English (using # LANG=C apt-get install base-config;) |
| 15:58.23 | _rene__ | and since OOo depends on locales (and locales conflicts against base-config) installing base-config wants to remove locales and therfore also OOo |
| 15:58.46 | _rene__ | chealer: irrelevant. he should not install base-config in any way. |
| 15:58.51 | _rene__ | base-config is dead. completely |
| 15:58.53 | chealer | _rene_: you come in at the right time? :) |
| 15:59.11 | _rene__ | thankfully |
| 15:59.22 | chealer | _rene_: even in Sarge? |
| 15:59.37 | _rene__ | no. |
| 15:59.41 | stefan_ | chealer, sorry, don't understand where to pase |
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| 15:59.49 | stefan_ | chealer, paste* |
| 15:59.53 | chealer | RedACE: ah, so you're not trying to compile httpd? |
| 16:00.11 | chealer | stefan_: try http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 16:00.15 | RedACE | chealer, ah, it's called apache2, nevermind =) |
| 16:00.23 | RedACE | I was expecting it to be called httpd |
| 16:00.25 | chealer | _rene_: stefan_ said he used sarge |
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| 16:00.45 | chealer | RedACE: OK |
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| 16:02.29 | stefan_ | chealer, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1881 |
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| 16:04.36 | chealer | stefan_: which version of locales do you have? |
| 16:04.42 | Ungy | if I wanted to set up a cron.job that reset a server every 12 hours it is possible right? |
| 16:04.56 | stefan_ | chealer, don't know.. |
| 16:05.03 | zeeeee | hi all, i can't resolve any hostnames, but i seem to have a default gw established...could anyone suggest what might be wrong? (more details at http://tinyurl.com/e7xpz) |
| 16:05.19 | RedACE | zeeeee, no nameserver ? |
| 16:05.27 | chealer | stefan_: I suspect you're not using stable's |
| 16:05.49 | Ungy | zeeeee, your not pointing to a nameserver? |
| 16:05.56 | RedACE | zeeeee, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:06.06 | zeeeee | RedACE: ah, thanks |
| 16:06.26 | stefan_ | chealer, I think it's stable but i tried to change to unstable once but I changed back since the machinge fucked up.. |
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| 16:06.58 | deternal | my comp sometimes locks up when I activate my wireless network - /usually/ it doesnt if it can connect to the ap upon boot, but sometimes it will crash at the login prompt |
| 16:07.29 | chealer | stefan_: then you probably have a newer locales, which explains you can't install base-config |
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| 16:07.49 | _keroppi_ | Anyone get xgl and compiz running on debian yet/ |
| 16:07.51 | deternal | anyone have any bright ideas? running ubuntu by the way - mostly since stable and testing didnt have drivers for my tp t43 |
| 16:08.06 | chealer | deternal: ask #ubuntu |
| 16:08.12 | KirbyMeister | okay, I have a problem: sometimes firefox crashes with this error: "/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2: undefined symbol: FT_GlyphSlot_Embolden |
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| 16:08.24 | chealer | KirbyMeister: get sid's libfreetype6 |
| 16:08.29 | KirbyMeister | okay another backport |
| 16:08.33 | stefan_ | chealer, ok, any idea of what to do? the thing I wanted to change was that i can only burn cds as root, I want all users to be able to burn.. |
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| 16:08.42 | chealer | KirbyMeister: no, just install the binary package |
| 16:08.42 | KirbyMeister | thanks |
| 16:08.46 | KirbyMeister | kk |
| 16:09.06 | KirbyMeister | i guess everything can be solved with upgrades ;) |
| 16:09.30 | knt | hi, i've lost my /etc/X11/X file and /usr/X11R6/bin/X began to fail while starting. can somebody help me to recover it? what is /etc/X11/X? |
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| 16:09.37 | chealer | stefan_: does # dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord; help? |
| 16:09.41 | KirbyMeister | are you running nvidia proprietary driver? |
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| 16:10.29 | KirbyMeister | knt: are you running the official nvidia driver? |
| 16:10.31 | s260000 | how to change brightness and contrast in X ? |
| 16:10.56 | RedACE | by using the OSD on your monitor? :/ |
| 16:10.59 | stefan_ | chealer, I think so.. thanks man, much work saved. |
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| 16:11.28 | knt | KirbyMeister: huh? nvidia? no. |
| 16:11.28 | s260000 | RedACE: i asked about X |
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| 16:11.58 | drac | s260000: no can do, only thing you can change from X is gamma with program xgamma (or some tool provided by your desktop) |
| 16:12.46 | skyclothes | Anyone know how to boot into a chroot directory? |
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| 16:13.26 | disposable | s260000: nvidia-settings if you've nvidia card and driver |
| 16:13.30 | xored | am iam not able to a a new chain under sarge stable ( selfbacked kernel) |
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| 16:14.01 | drac | xored: can you please rephrase that? |
| 16:14.09 | xored | drac: one second |
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| 16:15.10 | cmdKeen | drac, free driver causes hang up, only working is vesa... damn I have to downgrade xorg... omg:-/ |
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| 16:15.35 | xored | drac: iam trying to set up iptables. Iam running a linux box as an router. but on this box are services i only want to share with the inner clients and i want to denie all access to the box from the internet |
| 16:16.05 | xored | !paste |
| 16:16.05 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 16:16.07 | drac | cmdKeen: That shouldn't happen.. it's been stable for ages, file a bugreport on bugs.debian.org? |
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| 16:16.16 | KirbyMeister | chealer: thanks for the help the bug is fixed |
| 16:16.23 | drac | cmdKeen: And no you don't, fglrx (ATi non-free drivers) supports X.org 6.9 |
| 16:16.39 | mortal | ˙ |
| 16:16.41 | mortal | sri |
| 16:17.35 | disposable | xored: the easy way would be to use firestarter for this as it lets you accept connections to certain ports only from particular domain. the hard way - manually configure iptables |
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| 16:18.00 | xored | disposable: iam on doing the last opinion |
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| 16:19.03 | cmdKeen | drac, this happens regurally to me with all kernels(2.6) and xserver-xfree86 and xserver-xorg 6.8, 6.9. |
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| 16:19.39 | xored | disposable: thats myx custom iptable : http://channels.debian.net/paste/1882 |
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| 16:20.07 | xored | disposable: when i run it, i loose my ssh connection and iam not able to reconnect ( from..25/21) |
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| 16:21.07 | cmdKeen | drac, ok, I file a bugreport... but I don't think there is fglrx package compatible with xserver-xorg 6.9 so downgrade is a must:-/ |
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| 16:21.41 | drac | cmdKeen: You can use the installer from ATi.com site but that will break once mesa* |
| 16:21.48 | drac | cmdKeen: packages upgrades.. |
| 16:21.58 | disposable | xored: i was having similar troubles configuring it. that's why i have firestarter now. can't help with this, sorry |
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| 16:22.14 | xored | drac: could you help me a bit with iptables ? |
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| 16:23.01 | sleep1999 | hello |
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| 16:23.23 | sleep1999 | my auth.log suddenly got removed since Jav 28 |
| 16:23.31 | thoron | http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/indprop/patent/consultation_en.htm |
| 16:23.37 | sleep1999 | but i didn't delete that stuff |
| 16:23.51 | thoron | Please answer to consultation on future patent policy in Europe |
| 16:23.54 | sleep1999 | and i also run chkrootkit,nothing infected |
| 16:24.12 | disposable | !hello |
| 16:24.13 | dpkg | Hi, disposable! |
| 16:24.19 | disposable | !how are you? |
| 16:24.19 | dpkg | disposable: mas o menos |
| 16:24.20 | sleep1999 | i don't know what caused this |
| 16:24.30 | disposable | !what's up |
| 16:24.30 | dpkg | everything is okay thanks |
| 16:24.37 | disposable | !bye |
| 16:24.37 | dpkg | Cya, disposable |
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| 16:26.23 | cmdKeen | drac, that's why I don't wanna do that. alien converted .rpm do so too anyway. is there some eady way to downgrade ? |
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| 16:27.48 | Davey|Work | can I perform a dist-upgrade using an ISO mounted using a loopback device? |
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| 16:28.00 | frood | hey all |
| 16:28.21 | frood | anyone had any experience with DirectAdmin? |
| 16:28.36 | xored | i just created some iptable rules ( http://channels.debian.net/paste/1882 ). Iam running a linux box as router ( dilip ppp0 ) and the inner ethernet eth0 with 2 trusty clients ( 25,21). But now iam not able to connect to my box thorugh ssh, any tips ? |
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| 16:30.48 | freeone3000 | I just intalled sun-j2sdk through the java-package method on dpkg... but it has 'gij' stuff when I execute 'java' (no path). Why, and how do I make it so it uses the real java? |
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| 16:32.24 | strider | freeone3000: use update-alternatives |
| 16:32.29 | rey | hola |
| 16:32.37 | tarsonis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.47 | tarsonis | has anyone an idea to fix this? |
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| 16:33.49 | rey | hola |
| 16:33.53 | azeem | tarsonis: what graphics card do you have, and what version of Debian are you running? |
| 16:33.57 | Ronin | !es |
| 16:33.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:35.00 | freeone3000 | Thank you, that works. |
| 16:35.45 | tarsonis | azeem, debian sid and an ati radeon x799 |
| 16:35.47 | tarsonis | eh x700 |
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| 16:36.11 | azeem | tarsonis: are you sure that one is supported by X.org 6.9 for DRI? |
| 16:36.37 | tarsonis | its just the "ati" driver from xorg. |
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| 16:37.08 | azeem | yes |
| 16:37.21 | azeem | tarsonis: how old is your card? |
| 16:37.32 | tarsonis | azeem, quite new |
| 16:37.42 | basix | i am running Debian Sarge. I have samba sucessfully setup and working fine. but now a problem has cropped up. on the client PC, I get these messages: smb_add_request: request [c0569e80, mid=1660] timed out! Is this a problem at the server end or client end? |
| 16:37.48 | azeem | my take is then that it is just not supported |
| 16:37.49 | tarsonis | but the normal 2d should work, shouldnt it? |
| 16:37.59 | tarsonis | neh |
| 16:37.59 | azeem | yes, but DRI is 3D |
| 16:38.10 | tarsonis | u think i should take out dri as a module? |
| 16:38.14 | azeem | yes |
| 16:38.21 | azeem | well, the newest Radeons don't even work in 2D anymore I think |
| 16:38.24 | azeem | but it is worth a try |
| 16:38.40 | azeem | tarsonis: also, did you load the DRM kernel module? |
| 16:38.42 | pipeline | azeem, tarsonis : The newest radeons work fine with the XF86 "radeon" driver. |
| 16:38.50 | azeem | XF86? |
| 16:38.53 | nuambenzina | hello, i`m in a debian box with gnome. i wish to install instambul ( http://live.gnome.org/Istanbul ) . In ReadMe INSTALL file say "cd to instambull dir and ./configure command) but " checking for gstreamer-0.8 >= 0.8.10... Package gstreamer-0.8 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gstreamer-0.8.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'gstreamer-0.8' found configure: error: Library |
| 16:38.54 | nuambenzina | requirements (gstreamer-0.8 >= 0.8.10) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them." |
| 16:39.07 | pipeline | azeem, tarsonis : The DRI/DRM drivers are where it gets hairy: R3xx and R4xx support are only available bin CVS, and it's like, bleeding-edge alpha support. Be afraid. Be very afraid. |
| 16:39.08 | tarsonis | pipeline, its xorg 6.9.0, not xf86, dude xf86 is depreaced |
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| 16:39.19 | nuambenzina | what shoud i do ? can anybody help me with that ? |
| 16:39.46 | pipeline | tarsonis: Oh, heh. Force of habit. Now that the ancient fork is healed, I don't have to say "Xorg" or "XF86." It's just "X." it's THE X implementation :) |
| 16:39.56 | tarsonis | k :P |
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| 16:40.18 | pipeline | tarsonis: On that note, I think the next release of Solaris is only going to have mainline X, no XSun. |
| 16:40.24 | nuambenzina | ? |
| 16:40.32 | pipeline | tarsonis: Commercial UNIX is conquered, humbled before the XF86 developers :P |
| 16:40.33 | Ronin | patience nuambenzina |
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| 16:40.49 | Mark` | whats the lightest weight media player |
| 16:41.04 | Mark` | im trying to play a divx movie in vlc in xfce4 |
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| 16:41.13 | Mark` | too choppy, dropping frames, artifacts etc |
| 16:41.22 | strider | tarsonis: I had the same problem when i shifted to the fglrx driver from R300. check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for more information |
| 16:41.22 | petemc | Mark`: mplayer has options for slower systems |
| 16:41.25 | nuambenzina | i`m afraid that the text i did wroted will dissaper from the screen and somebody who know how to will not seen |
| 16:41.28 | foks | nuambenzina: install gstreamer ? |
| 16:41.29 | Mark` | whats the package for mplayer? |
| 16:41.44 | tarsonis | strider, well its just the (EE) error thing |
| 16:41.50 | foks | Mark`: mplayer, on marillat ftp site |
| 16:42.00 | Mark` | theres no apt-get for it? |
| 16:42.14 | foks | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main |
| 16:42.25 | nuambenzina | foks, i did apt-get install gstreamer but " E: Couldn't find package gstreamer " |
| 16:42.26 | foks | sarge/etch/sid |
| 16:42.39 | strider | tarsonis: was a problem with the modules or something, depmod -a fixed it. don't remember what i removed exactly now |
| 16:43.02 | Mark` | kk |
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| 16:43.07 | nuambenzina | and at apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad it`s say : " gstreamer0.8-mad is already the newest version. " |
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| 16:44.20 | foks | nuambenzina: apt-get install libgstreamer0.8-0 ? |
| 16:44.52 | nuambenzina | libgstreamer0.8-0 is already the newest version. |
| 16:45.27 | nuambenzina | yesturday i installed my sistem , net install , base-configure desktop |
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| 16:45.53 | nuambenzina | sorry system |
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| 16:45.54 | nuambenzina | :) |
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| 16:46.42 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 16:47.30 | nuambenzina | maybe I shoud " PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them." ? |
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| 16:47.55 | foks | maybe |
| 16:47.56 | Fox_1_ | how can i look my isp's proxy server's ICP port without asking them?????? |
| 16:47.57 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 16:48.00 | nuambenzina | but i don`t know the variables and paths etc, i`m n00b/newbie |
| 16:48.19 | Fox_1_ | how can i look my isp's proxy server's ICP port without asking them?????? |
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| 16:48.35 | foks | export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.8 ? |
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| 16:49.40 | Kernel_core | hi all |
| 16:49.51 | nuambenzina | dosen`t working |
| 16:50.13 | Kernel_core | how long does it take for a package to be appear in SID web page ? |
| 16:50.33 | nuambenzina | configure: error: /bin/sh ./config.sub export failed at " ./configure export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.8 " , i did iput the variable in shell too |
| 16:50.46 | nuambenzina | input, damn coffe |
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| 16:50.48 | xored | i justed setted iam my iptables and get a last problem, maybe logical : http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste . For my logic, there should be no access to the box from the interne( no ports opened to the box, only forward), but somehow there is access. Why ? |
| 16:50.51 | chealer | Kernel_core: hi again |
| 16:50.57 | Fox_1_ | ?? |
| 16:50.58 | chealer | Kernel_core: which release do you use? |
| 16:51.08 | foks | nuambenzina: no, first 'export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.8' and then './configure' |
| 16:51.18 | nuambenzina | ok |
| 16:51.47 | Kernel_core | chealer: Debian Linux - OS 3.0r1 |
| 16:51.51 | chealer | !tell Fox_1_ about ep |
| 16:52.03 | nuambenzina | # echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
| 16:52.04 | nuambenzina | /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.8 |
| 16:52.07 | chealer | Kernel_core: I hope you mean 3.1r1? |
| 16:52.12 | Fox_1_ | ep?? |
| 16:52.17 | chealer | !ep |
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| 16:52.17 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:52.23 | Fox_1_ | ok |
| 16:52.33 | Fox_1_ | but i asked the question |
| 16:52.40 | Fox_1_ | what about that? |
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| 16:52.46 | xored | i justed setted iam my iptables and get a last problem, maybe logical : http://channels.debian.net/paste/1884 . For my logic, there should be no access to the box from the interne( no ports opened to the box, only forward), but somehow there is access. Why ? |
| 16:52.55 | nuambenzina | same errore |
| 16:53.03 | chealer | Fox_1_: I don't know. no need to repeat. |
| 16:53.10 | nuambenzina | "configure: error: Library requirements (gstreamer-0.8 >= 0.8.10) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. |
| 16:53.12 | nuambenzina | " |
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| 16:53.45 | azeem | nuambenzina: did you install the -dev package for gstreamer? |
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| 16:53.52 | nuambenzina | do someone have "instambul" in synaptic ? I didn`t find it |
| 16:53.52 | Kernel_core | chealer: ~# uname -a |
| 16:53.52 | Kernel_core | Linux amirrazavi 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Nov 30 21:38:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:53.58 | Davey|Work | How do I dist-upgrade from a mounted ISO? |
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| 16:54.26 | chealer | Kernel_core: what does $ cat /etc/debian_version; output? |
| 16:54.27 | nuambenzina | azeem, no i didn`t how can i do that ? |
| 16:54.35 | azeem | via apt-get |
| 16:55.00 | Kernel_core | chealer: testing/unstable |
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| 16:55.09 | nuambenzina | like "apt-get install gstreamer " ? |
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| 16:55.15 | foks | nuambenzina: you're using sarge ? |
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| 16:55.32 | nuambenzina | i don`t know, i guess yes |
| 16:55.33 | bleaked | could anyone explain or refer me to a guide for running apps purely in memory. (ie, i want to run firefox from a ram drive) |
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| 16:55.52 | nuambenzina | it`s a "net install" / stable / desktop |
| 16:55.55 | chealer | Kernel_core: hum. it would be good to know which release you use. you're certainly not using pure Debian 3.0r1 |
| 16:55.55 | foks | nuambenzina: too bad, sid has istanbul as a package |
| 16:56.22 | Kernel_core | chealer: I just updated my box ... |
| 16:56.41 | chealer | Kernel_core: well, show your sources |
| 16:57.06 | nuambenzina | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.27 | foks | nuambenzina: gstreamer from sarge is < 0.8.10 then it won't work |
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| 16:57.39 | foks | nuambenzina: you'll have to compile gstreamer bye hand |
| 16:57.48 | foks | have to go, bye |
| 16:57.49 | azeem | nuambenzina: what are you trying to compile? |
| 16:57.55 | Kernel_core | chealer: http://pastebin.com/564620 |
| 16:57.56 | nuambenzina | instambul |
| 16:58.02 | nuambenzina | i wish to make a movie |
| 16:58.02 | chealer | Davey|Work: did you add it as an APT source? |
| 16:58.12 | nuambenzina | like a "print screen" |
| 16:58.15 | nuambenzina | in gnome |
| 16:58.33 | dvm1981 | I follow the info in the 'Debian reference' section 9.7.2. To try to change the system language. There is simple noted '$ LANG="de_DE" cat foo; cat: foo: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden' But that not work. Is there a package that i must be install ? |
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| 16:59.12 | nuambenzina | about how my xmms is moving in linux and how winamp move in windows when I "stress" them like moving very fast |
| 16:59.23 | nuambenzina | :)) it`s very funny |
| 16:59.27 | Davey|Work | chealer, no, not sure how |
| 16:59.34 | vguerra | hi all |
| 16:59.34 | Davey|Work | chealer, thats really the problem :) |
| 16:59.39 | chealer | Kernel_core: OK, you seem to be running testing. you should be able to install unstable's asterisk without much difficulty. and remember to check the APT HOWTO before something wrong happens |
| 16:59.47 | Davey|Work | chealer, not sure how to specify a local resource. |
| 16:59.54 | chealer | Davey|Work: did you try using apt-setup? |
| 17:00.02 | vguerra | i have a problem ... when i try to log in my linux box i cant write my user name |
| 17:00.20 | vguerra | its weird because if i hit Enter... i can write my password |
| 17:00.39 | Kernel_core | chealer: where do I DL it :) my main problem is this ... |
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| 17:00.59 | Davey|Work | that didn't help chealer :/ |
| 17:01.08 | chealer | Davey|Work: how come? |
| 17:01.20 | chealer | !esm |
| 17:01.21 | dpkg | i heard quick etch/sid mix is echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your etch lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update, apt-get -t unstable install foo to install foo from sid rather than etch, or this will probably break if packages from unstable are compiled with gcc 4 and packages in etch aren't. |
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| 17:01.38 | chealer | Kernel_core: check that factoid to get asterisk from unstable |
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| 17:02.03 | Jill | hola |
| 17:02.16 | Jill | kien eres |
| 17:02.18 | vguerra | could this be a gdm problem? |
| 17:02.25 | Davey|Work | chealer, well, its looking for CD-ROM drives. When I tell it to look in /media/ISO, it doesn't like it :) |
| 17:02.33 | Kernel_core | chealer:you mean here ? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/comm/ |
| 17:02.37 | Jill | habla en espańol |
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| 17:02.40 | chealer | dpkg: no, excessive punctuation is <reply>Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! OK???" |
| 17:02.40 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
| 17:02.42 | frood | any exim gurus?? |
| 17:02.52 | nuambenzina | so if... "gstreamer from sarge is < 0.8.10 " shoud I switch on unstable or on testing ? I wish my sistem to work, with no errors, and i don`t wish the packages witch are installed do be removed. I`m afraid if i`ll give a base-config and configure apt on "testing/unstable" then apt-get update/upgrade will remove some packages and the sistem will broke |
| 17:02.52 | Jill | hello |
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| 17:03.06 | Jill | whats your name |
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| 17:03.12 | chealer | Kernel_core: no, the factoid dpkg just said about etch/sid mix |
| 17:03.17 | frood | i keep get relay access denied messages from exim |
| 17:03.21 | Jill | pussy |
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| 17:03.37 | Jill | hi |
| 17:03.50 | kryptoz | pussy cat doll |
| 17:03.56 | *** part/#debian phar0z (n=debian@ip-81-11-162-58.dsl.scarlet.be) |
| 17:03.56 | Naz_ | hey |
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| 17:04.04 | Jill | ke pasa tipo |
| 17:04.10 | Jill | kien eres |
| 17:04.11 | Naz_ | can anyone help me set up an irc server on debian? |
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| 17:04.15 | feistel | hi |
| 17:04.24 | chealer | Davey|Work: why? what method did you choose? |
| 17:04.24 | kryptoz | Jill, ninde ammede pooru kallla punda mone :) |
| 17:04.28 | feistel | how I can disable a package for upgrades? |
| 17:04.30 | Davey|Work | chealer, method? |
| 17:04.37 | chealer | !tell feistel about hold |
| 17:04.42 | Davey|Work | oh, *now* I get that option :) |
| 17:04.42 | Jill | whats your name |
| 17:04.47 | chealer | Davey|Work: :) |
| 17:05.05 | nuambenzina | so witch is the "safest" metod to "upgrade/swithc" sistem on unstable or testing and on witch shoud I swich ? |
| 17:05.24 | Jill | I like resident evil |
| 17:05.27 | chealer | Naz_: it depends on whether anyone can guess what kind of help you need |
| 17:05.36 | nuambenzina | I like music |
| 17:05.38 | Naz_ | well |
| 17:05.43 | Jill | sorry, no entiendo |
| 17:05.44 | chealer | nuambenzina: if you have to ask, definitely not unstable |
| 17:05.45 | Naz_ | I want to set up ircd |
| 17:05.47 | nuambenzina | and I like speeding with car |
| 17:05.55 | chealer | nuambenzina: you're using sarge? |
| 17:05.58 | Naz_ | and I think I should apt-get it |
| 17:06.02 | pipeline | nuambenzina: There's only one method: upgrading. And I'll second the "definitely not unstable" thing. Things go catastrophically wrong with unstable on like, a weekly basis. |
| 17:06.06 | Jill | you like resident evil? |
| 17:06.12 | Naz_ | but I don't know what to dxo after |
| 17:06.15 | Naz_ | do* |
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| 17:06.22 | nuambenzina | i guess so it`s sarge, 80 % |
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| 17:06.30 | Naz_ | its sarge |
| 17:06.32 | Jill | and resident evil afterlife? |
| 17:06.39 | nuambenzina | in my gdm login screen i have a nice picture with sarge |
| 17:06.50 | Jill | yes, very good |
| 17:07.06 | Jill | I love resident evil |
| 17:07.08 | Naz_ | so can anyone help? |
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| 17:07.13 | chealer | Naz_: so what's keeping you from doing it? |
| 17:07.15 | Jill | you |
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| 17:07.30 | Jill | no entiendo |
| 17:07.31 | Naz_ | I don't know what to do afterwards |
| 17:07.36 | Jill | soy espańol |
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| 17:07.37 | Naz_ | and I've rtfm |
| 17:07.49 | bcc | is there a way to make dd output some stats while it's copying? |
| 17:07.52 | Jill | I live from in Spanish |
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| 17:08.00 | pipeline | Jill: If you're uncomfortable with English, have you tried #debian-es ? |
| 17:08.14 | chealer | !tell Kernel_core about pm |
| 17:08.15 | Kernel_core | <chealer> Kernel_core: no, the factoid dpkg just said about etch/sid mix <---- so what should I do ? |
| 17:08.18 | chealer | !tell Kernel_core about esm |
| 17:08.29 | *** part/#debian skyclothes (n=user@cdm-208-180-152-24.cart.cox-internet.com) |
| 17:08.31 | chealer | Kernel_core: do you see which factoid I'm talking about now? |
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| 17:08.37 | Jill | yes, I speaking english |
| 17:08.37 | freeone3000 | How would I kill a proccess? ctrl-c isn't doing anything. (Yeah, it's in the foreground) |
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| 17:08.50 | Naz_ | can anyone help? |
| 17:09.03 | Naz_ | is there a channel for ircd? |
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| 17:09.08 | markybob | freeone3000, kill -KILL pid |
| 17:09.23 | freeone3000 | Not a true process. An application... |
| 17:09.30 | Jill | I like pizza and ice-cream, you? |
| 17:09.44 | Davey|Work | that seems to have done it, thanks chealer ! :) |
| 17:09.49 | markybob | freeone3000, how is an application not a process? "ps aux" you'll see it running and the pid will be on the left |
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| 17:10.07 | Jill | I love the film American pie |
| 17:10.21 | m1ke_l | pidof application will get you a pid too |
| 17:10.29 | Jill | hello |
| 17:10.34 | m1ke_l | then kill kill kill kill kill |
| 17:10.36 | m1ke_l | sorry.... |
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| 17:10.54 | Jill | you pussy |
| 17:11.05 | Jill | hi |
| 17:11.30 | Jill | hellooooooooo!!!! |
| 17:11.32 | freeone3000 | Thank you. |
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| 17:11.52 | Jill | Whats your name |
| 17:12.00 | kryptoz | if u have x freeone3000, there is something called xkill which you can use to kill the application |
| 17:12.07 | Jill | Where do you from? |
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| 17:12.25 | Myon | .oO(asl) |
| 17:12.28 | Jill | I live in Spain |
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| 17:13.00 | Jill | hello |
| 17:13.03 | Ummmmm | I live in cyberspace |
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| 17:13.16 | Myon | I live |
| 17:13.16 | Jill | Yessssss? |
| 17:13.18 | Ummmmm | Although, that depends how you define 'live' |
| 17:13.19 | chealer | Jill: do you realize that this is not a discussion for fun channel |
| 17:13.23 | serfurj | does anybody know of an apt source for gtk-gnutella 0.96b? |
| 17:13.28 | p8m | Jill: bot? |
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| 17:13.32 | Ummmmm | yes |
| 17:13.32 | Jill | yes |
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| 17:14.08 | Jill | I like the film american pie and resident evil |
| 17:14.23 | Ummmmm | kickban dat bot |
| 17:14.25 | kryptoz | he is automated ..lol |
| 17:14.25 | Jill | and you? |
| 17:14.28 | dvm1981 | Jill: Try another movie man |
| 17:14.45 | Jill | Thats great |
| 17:14.50 | Jill | yes |
| 17:15.00 | kspath | I like debian |
| 17:15.08 | Jill | yes |
| 17:15.10 | kspath | !love debian |
| 17:15.11 | dvm1981 | Jill: If you like to watch movies, look to the 'Debconf' movies :-) |
| 17:15.16 | Ummmmm | Jill: What is the first letter of the word 'Spain' ? |
| 17:15.22 | Jill | My name is Beatriz |
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| 17:15.46 | kspath | Ummmmm: H |
| 17:15.54 | Jill | Have got 15 years old |
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| 17:16.09 | Myon | no, it's 'E' |
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| 17:16.09 | chealer | serfurj: is there even an upstream source for that? |
| 17:16.09 | Kernel_core | chealer: is it okey to change my /etc/apt/sources.list like this " deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main |
| 17:16.27 | Kernel_core | chealer: instead of TESTING , use UNSTABLE ... |
| 17:16.29 | m1ke_l | someone make dpkg do that to me |
| 17:16.42 | kspath | !smite m1ke_l |
| 17:16.43 | serfurj | chealer: it's in testing |
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| 17:17.01 | chealer | Kernel_core: deb-src is for sources. I think that's not what you want. |
| 17:17.12 | Jill | I doesn't speaking english |
| 17:17.16 | Kernel_core | chealer: so... ? |
| 17:17.18 | markybob | !es |
| 17:17.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:17.29 | Jill | hello my name is bea |
| 17:17.36 | Kernel_core | chealer: here is my sources.list file .... http://pastebin.com/564620 |
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| 17:17.43 | kspath | Adios Bea |
| 17:17.44 | Jill | and you? |
| 17:17.53 | Jill | gracias |
| 17:17.57 | Jill | adios |
| 17:17.58 | Naz_ | does anyone know how to set up ircd on debian sarge? |
| 17:18.04 | chealer | serfurj: so gtk-gnutella 0.96b is in testing, and you're asking for an APT source? |
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| 17:18.11 | kspath | !tell Jill about es |
| 17:18.28 | chealer | Naz_: so you've red the whole /usr/share/doc/ircd-ircu/ ? |
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| 17:18.44 | serfurj | chealer: people make backports sometimes. nevermind, i found a debian package at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=4467 |
| 17:18.54 | serfurj | chealer: thanks |
| 17:19.04 | chealer | !ops Jill should be transferred to #debian-bots |
| 17:19.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Jill should be transferred to #debian-bots |
| 17:19.14 | chealer | serfurj: hum, OK |
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| 17:19.33 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 17:19.46 | chealer | Kernel_core: so you'd want deb instead of deb-src |
| 17:19.50 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@52.Red-80-38-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net]] by helix |
| 17:19.55 | *** kick/#debian [Jill!n=e@unaffiliated/helix] by helix (helix) |
| 17:19.55 | helix | ] |
| 17:19.56 | intero | i wonder if there's a way to have xsltproc generate © instead of © |
| 17:19.59 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 17:20.02 | chealer | thanks again |
| 17:20.19 | kryptoz | LOL |
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| 17:20.38 | Kernel_core | chealer: thank you :) |
| 17:20.40 | kryptoz | it took this long to kick jill |
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| 17:20.48 | chealer | !esm |
| 17:20.48 | dpkg | quick etch/sid mix is probably echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your etch lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update, apt-get -t unstable install foo to install foo from sid rather than etch, or this will probably break if packages from unstable are compiled with gcc 4 and packages in etch aren't. |
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| 17:21.55 | Kernel_core | chealer: but it seems Asterisk 1.2.4 isnot available ... :( |
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| 17:22.28 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:22.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:23.14 | FlopsyPete | How do I fix the fact on startup I get loads of udev error messages? (I have udev and don't have hotplug; using Testing) |
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| 17:23.46 | aaronlin | Can someone recommend for me a good program that can convert WAV (I think Microsoft WAV) files to cdaudio files? |
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| 17:24.21 | FlopsyPete | aaronlin: cdrdao |
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| 17:25.07 | chealer | dpkg: no, quick etch/sid mix is echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, duplicate your etch lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from sid rather than etch as usual. consider making sure you've read the APT HOWTO when setting this up, as it exposes to unstable packages |
| 17:25.07 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
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| 17:25.16 | Prudhvi | !kernel |
| 17:25.18 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.15.4, prepatch: 2.6.16-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.15-git12, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.16-rc4-mm1 |
| 17:25.28 | Naz_ | should I apt-get package ircd? |
| 17:25.33 | Naz_ | and take it from there? |
| 17:25.34 | aaronlin | FlopsyPete: thanks |
| 17:25.50 | chealer | Naz_: in stable ircd is a dummy package anyway |
| 17:26.08 | *** part/#debian intero (n=roberto@intero.tb.fast-labs.net) |
| 17:26.08 | Naz_ | what does that mean |
| 17:26.08 | Naz_ | ? |
| 17:26.13 | nixie | chealer: you dont reckon backporting from sid to etch is a better way? |
| 17:26.34 | Naz_ | does it just fake a dependency |
| 17:26.37 | nixie | e.g. apt-get -b source? |
| 17:26.48 | chealer | Naz_: it means the package contains nothing useful. only it's dependencies are useful |
| 17:26.59 | chealer | nixie: for asterisk? |
| 17:27.02 | Naz_ | so should I apt-get it? |
| 17:27.14 | Naz_ | because it'll install the dependencies |
| 17:27.14 | Prudhvi | how do i install a 2.14 debian Kernel using apt ? |
| 17:27.35 | chealer | Naz_: it's not a problem, it's just that it's strange to talk about a dummy package |
| 17:27.38 | markybob | i'm sorry... 2.14? |
| 17:27.45 | FlopsyPete | Naz_: it acts to recommend to you various packages that would satisfy your longing |
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| 17:28.13 | nixie | chealer: in general, instead of that quick etch/sid mix. im wondering because i backport; if thats just time wasted, i wont:) |
| 17:28.16 | Naz_ | ok |
| 17:28.33 | nuambenzina | base-config dosen`t asking me on "apt configure" if i wish to add mirrors , witch tipe of the stable/unstable/testing ... how can i change "the asking level" of base-config ? at install did asked me |
| 17:28.34 | sparr | is anyone here acquainted with the owner of snapshot.debian.net? |
| 17:28.48 | nuambenzina | witch shoud be ... |
| 17:28.57 | strider | has anyone been getting google verification pages when trying to search using keywords in Firefox? |
| 17:29.07 | strider | nuambenzina: apt-setup? |
| 17:29.29 | nuambenzina | same thing |
| 17:29.45 | FlopsyPete | at least, should I worry about the new, gratuitous, udev errors on startup? |
| 17:29.49 | malaiwah | stider: never seen that; what does this page looks like ? |
| 17:30.03 | Prudhvi | how does nvidia-kerne is in 2.14 and i cant find a kernel image for 2.14 series ? |
| 17:30.10 | nuambenzina | dosen`t ask about stable/unstable/testing :( |
| 17:30.13 | chealer | nixie: testing and unstable are currently so close that backporting would only be needed in rare cases. however it would be ideal to have a link in those factoids discussing release choices and mixes' issues in detail. I don't know what that link would be though |
| 17:30.20 | FlopsyPete | Prudhvi: 2.6.14 maybe? |
| 17:30.21 | markybob | Prudhvi, i believe you've been smoking weed. lots and lots of weed to ask for "2.14 debian kernel" |
| 17:30.29 | nuambenzina | and i don`t wish to edit by hand sources.list |
| 17:30.39 | Prudhvi | oops 2.6.14 |
| 17:30.56 | strider | malaiwah: it's just those pages, where they say: To continue searching, please type the characters you see below |
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| 17:31.03 | chealer | FlopsyPete: unlikely. I'm getting them on my other Etch box and it doesn't seem to be problematic. I wish it would be fixed though |
| 17:31.07 | Jill | Hello |
| 17:31.19 | FlopsyPete | chealer: cheers |
| 17:31.19 | markybob | Prudhvi, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 17:31.24 | strider | because it seems my query looks automated as if from a virus or something |
| 17:31.24 | Ronin | bots back i see |
| 17:31.26 | malaiwah | strider: tried few minutes ago and still didn't have anything like this while searching in firefox.. |
| 17:31.28 | nixie | chealer, i see. thanks |
| 17:31.33 | Prudhvi | FlopsyPete, markybob the thing is there is nvidia-kernel-2.6.14.* and i cant find kernel-image for 2.6.14 |
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| 17:31.53 | Jill | Whats your name? |
| 17:31.56 | markybob | Prudhvi, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 17:31.57 | abrotman | because there isn't a .14 anymore |
| 17:32.00 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 17:32.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 17:32.03 | strider | malaiwah: hmm, it just started, maybe a location thing |
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| 17:32.07 | nuambenzina | any sugestions ? |
| 17:32.19 | Jill | Where do you from? |
| 17:32.24 | Thanatermesis | i have a user to i want to delete it from the SUDOERS group... but i don't know where he is, no /etc/sudoers, no /etc/group.. when i type "sudo", the console ask me about the USER password (no root password), where i can delete it ? |
| 17:32.26 | abrotman | !es |
| 17:32.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:32.30 | chealer | Prudhvi: testing's 2.6 nvidia kernel modules are currently useless. I've closed that bug this morning, eventually the newer modules will get in Etch |
| 17:32.38 | FlopsyPete | Prudhvi: are you using Sarge or Testing or what? kernel-image is for Sarge what linux-image is for Testing/Etch |
| 17:32.49 | markybob | abrotman, we've tried. he's already been banned. keeps getting a new id and coming back and pissing people off |
| 17:32.57 | markybob | abrotman, s/id/ip |
| 17:33.08 | Jill | I live in Spain |
| 17:33.08 | Prudhvi | FlopsyPete, i just upgraded my Box to etch from Sarge |
| 17:33.09 | malaiwah | i have warnings at startup on a couple of servers me too.. "devfs_mk_dir: invalid argument.<4>devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for /disc" |
| 17:33.10 | abrotman | so ban all of rima? |
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| 17:33.21 | Naz_ | I apt-got the ircd package |
| 17:33.27 | Jill | oh thats great |
| 17:33.34 | Naz_ | now what should I edit in ircd.conf? |
| 17:33.48 | Jill | Do you speak spanish? |
| 17:33.50 | nuambenzina | GRRRRR it dosen`t asking me about the http://porxy:port either |
| 17:33.50 | FlopsyPete | Prudhvi: try this: apt-cache search linux-image | grep 2.6 |
| 17:33.55 | Prudhvi | chealer, what is the problem with the current 2.6 nvidia k modules |
| 17:33.56 | abrotman | !es |
| 17:33.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:34.03 | nixie | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.03 | markybob | abrotman, i would. probably a good thing that i'm not an op :) |
| 17:34.06 | nuambenzina | why ? i didn`t changed anything |
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| 17:34.20 | Jill | Hi pussy |
| 17:34.22 | abrotman | !tell noahlau about root |
| 17:34.39 | abrotman | Jill: who? |
| 17:34.40 | Jill | me cago en tu puta madre |
| 17:34.42 | chealer | Naz_: we don't know what you're trying to do. try reading the doc |
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| 17:34.45 | nuambenzina | Jill, F.O.A.D. |
| 17:34.49 | Jill | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.50 | abrotman | !tell eraser about away |
| 17:35.06 | chealer | !ops Jill back for fun |
| 17:35.08 | Jill | Whats your name? |
| 17:35.17 | Jill | My name is rafa |
| 17:35.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Jill back for fun |
| 17:35.20 | Naz_ | ok |
| 17:35.24 | FlopsyPete | Prudhvi: sorry, and this: apt-cache search kernel-image | grep 2.6. I thought kernel-image wasn't in Etch at all |
| 17:35.25 | h3x3m | Hi all, im using the latest stable release of debian and im writing some lkm code...I'm just wondering where abouts the build directory is containing the kernel header files, its not in /lib/modules/kernelversion/build |
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| 17:35.42 | Jill | I live in Spain |
| 17:36.02 | chealer | Prudhvi: they're out of date. kernel 2.6.15-1 is in Etch, the nvidia modules in Etch are for 2.6.14 |
| 17:36.08 | Jill | S.T.A.R. |
| 17:36.50 | azeem | Jill: do you have any Debian related questions? |
| 17:36.54 | Jill | I love the film and the game resident evil |
| 17:36.57 | dvm1981 | How whe can download an deb packages without installing it with the 'apt-get'(or similar) command ? |
| 17:37.09 | Jill | sorry, no entiendo |
| 17:37.12 | markybob | dvm1981, wget ? |
| 17:37.18 | LoRez | !es |
| 17:37.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:37.19 | azeem | Jill: this channel is about the Debia Operating System |
| 17:37.20 | markybob | dvm1981, apt-get -d install |
| 17:37.27 | ejk | Jill: We don't care. |
| 17:37.30 | Jill | I doesn't speak english |
| 17:37.31 | azeem | Jill: and it is an english channel |
| 17:37.31 | markybob | dvm1981, -d will only download and not install |
| 17:37.32 | dvm1981 | markybob: The last one i try |
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| 17:37.41 | Ronin | azeem: that would help if Jill was a person i suspect |
| 17:37.47 | chealer | nuambenzina: try # dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 17:38.45 | dvm1981 | markybob: With the 'apt-get -d install drpython', he say me that it is already installed, |
| 17:38.59 | nuambenzina | ok i have a nice menu here |
| 17:39.04 | markybob | dvm1981, apt-get -d --reinstall drpython |
| 17:39.23 | chealer | Kernel_core: sorry, I forgot you again. what does $ apt-cache policy asterisk; output? |
| 17:39.25 | markybob | dvm1981, the package will be in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 17:39.38 | markybob | dvm1981, apt-get -d --reinstall install drpython sorry |
| 17:39.39 | dvm1981 | markybob: Yes, but i want only the deb, hhhmm, i look in the cache |
| 17:39.51 | markybob | dvm1981, it will only get the deb. trust me, it wont reinstall |
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| 17:40.25 | kryptoz | hey guysssssssssss |
| 17:40.25 | markybob | not sure how much clearer i can be. |
| 17:41.06 | kryptoz | does debian detect sata while installing ? do i have to give some parameters ? like in slack ? i was trying to install and it only shows my ide hdd |
| 17:41.10 | dvm1981 | markybob: With the command 'apt-get -d --reinstall install drpython' |
| 17:41.15 | kryptoz | is there a trick that you want to share with me plzz |
| 17:41.19 | markybob | dvm1981, right. |
| 17:41.22 | dvm1981 | I must now see an deb package in my home ? |
| 17:41.27 | abrotman | kryptoz: did you try the linux26 option ? |
| 17:41.34 | abrotman | !tell kryptoz about ig |
| 17:41.37 | kryptoz | nopes |
| 17:41.39 | dvm1981 | Or only the source ? |
| 17:41.46 | markybob | dvm1981, no. /var/cache/apt/archives will contain the deb package |
| 17:42.01 | kryptoz | thanx abrotman :) |
| 17:42.07 | dvm1981 | markybob: Hhmm, i understand i better why in not find it :-) |
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| 17:42.30 | dvm1981 | markybob: Really thanks man for the clarification :-) |
| 17:42.36 | markybob | dvm1981, no problem |
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| 17:44.07 | nuambenzina | chealer, 10 q (thank you) |
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| 17:45.50 | chealer | nuambenzina: eh, I'll take the later |
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| 17:46.21 | nuambenzina | :) i`m moving slow here |
| 17:46.28 | kryptoz | hey abrotman, thats a huge manual |
| 17:46.44 | markybob | ha. |
| 17:46.52 | markybob | yes, thank God it's detailed. that's a *good* thing |
| 17:46.54 | kryptoz | you were talking about the kernel linux26 option |
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| 17:46.57 | yos87 | how can I change the folders view to 'details' |
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| 17:47.11 | abrotman | kryptoz: read it |
| 17:47.12 | sm00f | how could i start apps when x is launched? |
| 17:47.14 | kryptoz | can u tell me the boot parameter .. rest i guess i can manage |
| 17:47.20 | pipeline | sm00f: Edit ~/.xsession |
| 17:47.23 | abrotman | !tell kryptoz about u |
| 17:47.25 | sm00f | nice ty |
| 17:47.42 | abrotman | i should start plonking every freaking idiot that can't use remotely proper english |
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| 17:47.55 | markybob | yos87, in what? nautilus? |
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| 17:48.10 | Prudhvi | !vlc |
| 17:48.10 | dpkg | i heard vlc is the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
| 17:48.10 | kryptoz | lol |
| 17:48.17 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.23 | Ronin | abrotman: may have to plonk yourself then too ;) |
| 17:48.32 | abrotman | Ronin: ? |
| 17:48.56 | kryptoz | jesus is this a english tutoring room or debian support ? |
| 17:49.05 | yos87 | markybob: I don't know nautilus, I have gnome environment, I want to see the file and folder as details, |
| 17:49.05 | markybob | foo do you have contrib and non-free in your sources? have you mixed sarge and testing? |
| 17:49.07 | Ronin | abrotman: just saying that no one uses proper english here, of course theres no need to murder it like some folks do |
| 17:49.12 | markybob | yos87, desktop->preferences->file management |
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| 17:49.18 | abrotman | Ronin: there's iffy .. then there's totally wrong |
| 17:49.19 | chealer | !tell Prudhvi about msg the bot |
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| 17:49.40 | abrotman | /msg dpkg tell chealer about msg the bot |
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| 17:49.58 | kryptoz | now it seems like i have to learn english to install debian... |
| 17:49.59 | kryptoz | sucksssssssss |
| 17:50.01 | chealer | !msgsmite abrotman |
| 17:50.30 | abrotman | kryptoz: your teachers should have taught you english |
| 17:50.53 | Ronin | foo: as well as i suspect its also due to mplayer not being in debian |
| 17:51.01 | foo | markybob: http://pastebin.com/564703 |
| 17:51.07 | foo | markybob: That's my sources.list |
| 17:51.08 | kryptoz | well language is the last thing i want to think about now. If you can help me with my problem i be thankful. else forget that i asked for help at all |
| 17:51.16 | abrotman | i did |
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| 17:51.25 | kryptoz | well yeah i am sorry |
| 17:51.32 | kryptoz | you did helped me .. thank you for that |
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| 17:51.37 | markybob | foo see? how the hell can you complain about stuff breaking when you're running unstable? "i expected this from an rpm distro, not debian" |
| 17:51.43 | markybob | cry me a fucking river |
| 17:51.44 | kryptoz | my mothertongue is not english |
| 17:51.53 | abrotman | but your IP is from colorado |
| 17:51.53 | foo | markybob: heh, woah... alright. I made a mistake. Sorry. |
| 17:51.55 | PHPCleaner | anyone know how to set the pairing password for a BT device in kbluetoothd? |
| 17:52.03 | kryptoz | mine ? |
| 17:52.08 | abrotman | so says arin |
| 17:52.24 | kryptoz | abrotman, you are talking to me right ? |
| 17:52.29 | markybob | foo change your marillat line from sarge to sid. then try apt-get update and try again |
| 17:52.33 | kryptoz | lol |
| 17:52.37 | foo | markybob: ahh, ok. Thanks |
| 17:53.06 | foo | markybob: I tried replacing it with unstable. Forgot about sid. |
| 17:53.06 | kryptoz | i am from india ... i don't know how the hell arin showed that i am from some yankee rural |
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| 17:54.15 | Snorly | help :>? |
| 17:54.28 | abrotman | ask! |
| 17:54.33 | kryptoz | well i think i rather use slack. Debian seems to be a bad idea at this time in the night. I didn't had much time thats why i asked you for the boot parameter specifically; If you insist i have to read the manual; thank you. i will do that tmorrow. |
| 17:54.40 | abrotman | !irritate markybob |
| 17:54.40 | dpkg | markybob: wenas who uses gnome thx |
| 17:54.44 | Snorly | /sbin/ip tunnel add tun6to4 mode sit ttl 64 remote any local 213.250.22.107 |
| 17:54.44 | Snorly | /sbin/ip link set dev tun6to4 up |
| 17:54.44 | Snorly | /sbin/ip -6 addr add 2002:d5fa:166b::/16 dev tun6to4 |
| 17:54.44 | Snorly | /sbin/ip -6 addr add 2002:d5fa:166b::1/16 dev tun6to4 |
| 17:54.44 | Snorly | /sbin/ip -6 addr add 2002:d5fa:166b::2/16 dev tun6to4 |
| 17:54.44 | Snorly | /sbin/ip -6 addr add 2002:d5fa:166b::3/16 dev tun6to4 |
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| 17:54.47 | markybob | abrotman, :) |
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| 17:54.56 | Snorly | damn |
| 17:54.58 | Snorly | pvt ? |
| 17:55.02 | abrotman | kryptoz: you know .. there are help screens you can read when you start the installer |
| 17:55.32 | kryptoz | i did went through .. well i appreciate your help ... i have to go sleep now. I will try later |
| 17:55.38 | kryptoz | i mean tomorrow after office |
| 17:55.42 | kryptoz | thanks a lot |
| 17:55.54 | markybob | complaining about having to read the manual? seriously? where do these people come from? |
| 17:56.12 | abrotman | india with a colorado IP .. apparently |
| 17:56.15 | guiding5 | !paste |
| 17:56.15 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 17:56.18 | kryptoz | closed chapter .. don't have do dig it again @ markybob |
| 17:56.18 | markybob | heh |
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| 17:56.30 | yos87 | markybob: thank you, I did |
| 17:56.38 | markybob | yos87, no problem. |
| 17:57.01 | aFlag | what package I have to install in order to be able to use pt locale on gnome? |
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| 17:57.11 | kryptoz | do u seriously think you can get a person's location with a dig ? |
| 17:57.11 | aFlag | That is, having a gnome in portuguese |
| 17:57.22 | christian | how to mount floppy in terminal? |
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| 17:57.34 | nixie | hm. if i need to convert "options snd-pcm-oss adsp_map=2" from modules.conf to a kernel bootup parameter in grub (i have the stuff statically compiled), would it suffice if i just use "kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 adsp_map=2"? |
| 17:57.40 | aFlag | mount /media/floppy |
| 17:57.40 | Nexus | Anyone know what package lets you use perl mcpan shell? |
| 17:57.46 | abrotman | !tell kryptoz about u |
| 17:58.01 | kryptoz | ohh godddddddddddd |
| 17:58.05 | kryptoz | gud night guys ... |
| 17:58.09 | kryptoz | bye bye .. |
| 17:58.15 | cisse | funky trying to use reprepro to create a debian repository, when i try to import any package from /var/cache/apt/archive/ it fails on 'Data does not seem to be signed trying to use directly ... Unexpected \0 charcter within *.deb |
| 17:58.18 | abrotman | can't even spell "good" .. |
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| 17:58.51 | abrotman | he spelled all those correctly |
| 17:59.03 | abrotman | Snorly: keep it in the channel .. DO NOT MSG ME |
| 17:59.09 | Snorly | sorry |
| 17:59.15 | Snorly | can i paste here ? |
| 17:59.18 | abrotman | no |
| 17:59.20 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:59.20 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 17:59.22 | Snorly | damn!:> |
| 17:59.51 | aFlag | what package I have to install in order to be able to have gnome in portuguese? |
| 18:00.02 | christian | how do i mount floppy |
| 18:00.07 | Snorly | ok i heve ipv6 on my debina box added like this /sbin/ip -6 addr add 2002:d5fa:166b::/16 dev tun6to4 etc... |
| 18:00.17 | Snorly | now how do i vhoste this on afraid |
| 18:00.27 | Snorly | ns1.afraid.org |
| 18:00.27 | markybob | aFlag, you might want to try #debian-br |
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| 18:00.31 | Snorly | and this shit :>? |
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| 18:00.52 | FlopsyPete | christian: mount /media/floppy |
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| 18:00.57 | Nexus | Anyone know what package lets you use perl mcpan shell? |
| 18:01.35 | cisse | Nexus: have you googled 'debian mcpan shell' ? |
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| 18:02.15 | Nexus | cisse, No. I searched the error message and debian, and a bunch of other stuff. Thanks for the pointer. |
| 18:03.08 | Snorly | you know or you dont know? :> |
| 18:03.24 | nuambenzina | apt-get -t testing dist-upgrade will gonna install a new kernel also ? |
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| 18:04.35 | cisse | nuambenzina: if you add the -s option it simulates what it is going to install, so apt-get -s -t testing dist-upgrade | less and see what it does |
| 18:04.50 | nuambenzina | okay |
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| 18:06.35 | rublind | I need help mounting my external cd rom drive (I'm using KDE, if that changes anything). |
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| 18:07.07 | markybob | rublind, what is it? usb? |
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| 18:07.17 | rublind | markybob: no, pcmcia. |
| 18:07.31 | phatfish | can you search for packages from the command line? like apt-search or something :) |
| 18:07.44 | Ronin | phatfish: apt-cache search |
| 18:07.45 | x-x- | apt-cacehe search |
| 18:07.47 | rublind | markybob: I made it appear in system:/media (where it lists the hard drive and the floppy), but I can't access it, it complains about needing to be root or someting |
| 18:07.50 | phatfish | ah thanks :) |
| 18:07.51 | x-x- | *apt-cache |
| 18:08.38 | markybob | rublind, ls -l /dev/whatever it is and find out which group it's part of (probably disk or cdrom). add yourself to that group |
| 18:08.57 | nixie | how do i add kernel options to grub? simply add them to the kernel "/boot/vmlinuz..." line, right? |
| 18:09.07 | abrotman | Ronin: sometimes it's better to let them go .. it's so much more peaceful .. no fighting ... just let it go .. |
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| 18:09.09 | rublind | Oh, okay. |
| 18:09.17 | abrotman | nixie: yes |
| 18:09.48 | nixie | hmm. how would i go about adding snd-pcm-oss=dsp_map=2? like snd-pcm-oss="dsp_map=2" or should i use single quotes? |
| 18:10.08 | rublind | How do you add yourself to a group? |
| 18:10.14 | abrotman | man adduser |
| 18:10.27 | kspath | Ronin: having been infected with XP the pain must be unbearable. I agree with abrotman. Just let it go in peace so that it's pain might end. |
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| 18:11.49 | Ronin | abrotman: hard to do that as its part of my job here, that and all our desktops are xp, sucks but it beats flipping burgers |
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| 18:12.04 | nixie | grmbl. ill just compile as a module then |
| 18:12.05 | abrotman | Ronin: have you tried curling? |
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| 18:12.44 | Ronin | abrotman: something tells me to say no however as part of my physed class many many years ago we did curl |
| 18:13.04 | Ronin | i figure any sport that you can drink while doing cant be bad |
| 18:13.09 | epsilon | I still wonder how curling ever managed to become olympic |
| 18:13.26 | Ronin | epsilon: same way ball room dancing did, but thats for another channel |
| 18:13.36 | kspath | epsilon: lots of drugs and money most likely |
| 18:13.42 | epsilon | ball room is olympic? |
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| 18:13.45 | rublind | Okay, I don't think I had specified the correct location for my cd rom, can someone help me find it and mount it? |
| 18:13.48 | abrotman | epsilon: not anymore |
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| 18:14.10 | markybob | rublind, mount /dev/foo /media/cdrom |
| 18:14.16 | kspath | At least dancing requires athletics |
| 18:14.27 | markybob | rublind, find it's /dev location by looking at dmesg or /var/log/syslog |
| 18:14.28 | botch | how can i get a more uptodate kde for my debian? is there somewhere a apt-repository? |
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| 18:14.37 | aliumalik | is there anyway I can set so that when a program (run by an init script on boot) crashes it can restart by itself? |
| 18:14.37 | kspath | apt-get install curl |
| 18:14.38 | cisse | hrm ok how would i go about signing all my .deb packages with the new apt2006 key ? |
| 18:14.39 | rublind | markybob: thank you. |
| 18:14.39 | abrotman | botch: for waht? sarge? sid? what? |
| 18:14.41 | Ronin | kspath: ever try putting one of those stones that far down the ice where you want it to be? |
| 18:14.42 | epsilon | tried backports.org? |
| 18:14.45 | botch | abrotman: sarge |
| 18:14.50 | abrotman | botch: ask #debian-kde |
| 18:14.55 | botch | thx |
| 18:14.58 | Ronin | right now im really gone, the machines finally booted up |
| 18:15.07 | epsilon | botch: try etch (in debootstrap) |
| 18:15.07 | kspath | Ronin: try 155mm shells without a barrel |
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| 18:15.15 | abrotman | Ronin: maybe you're hallucinating ? |
| 18:15.33 | rublind | markybob: hdc: PCMCIA Portable CD-ROM, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive, means it's hdc? |
| 18:15.34 | botch | epsilon: sorry - where? etch? |
| 18:15.44 | markybob | rublind, bravo! :) |
| 18:15.44 | abrotman | epsilon: it's already installed |
| 18:15.55 | rublind | markybob: haha, thank you. |
| 18:15.55 | kspath | someone put XP in Ronin's coffee or tea and now he is confuzzled. |
| 18:16.04 | cisse | aliumalik: write a bash script to check if the program is bound to a specific port, or pgrep the run command, if it isn't there issue an /etc/init.d/service restart |
| 18:16.32 | rublind | markybob: it asks for the filesystem type. |
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| 18:16.56 | markybob | rublind, there's a cd/dvd in there that isnt blank, right? |
| 18:17.02 | rublind | Correct. |
| 18:17.14 | Smerdy | I just dist-upgraded and XWindows won't start properly anymore; it just stays on a blank screen forever. Any pointers on how to diagnose the problem? |
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| 18:17.26 | markybob | rublind, try mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom |
| 18:17.32 | abrotman | Smerdy: check your logs |
| 18:17.43 | kspath | Smerdy: stable XFree -> testing Xorg? |
| 18:17.57 | Smerdy | kspath, I've only ever used testing on that machine. |
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| 18:18.14 | aliumalik | cisse: I have bound it to a port runs ok on reboot and invoke-rc.d service restart but stops after some time and I don't know why |
| 18:18.14 | kspath | Smerdy: ok |
| 18:18.29 | aliumalik | can I use a cron entry to check if its running and start if its not? |
| 18:18.33 | Smerdy | abrotman, I don't know what the log files to check are or what to look for in them. |
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| 18:19.12 | kspath | Smerdy: I am guessing you are using Xorg than. |
| 18:19.17 | Smerdy | kspath, I am. |
| 18:19.23 | markybob | Smerdy, /var/log/Xorg.0.log and look for EE (errors) |
| 18:19.28 | cisse | aliumalik: so when it freezes is it still bound to that port ? netstat -plan | grep port |
| 18:19.42 | Smerdy | markybob, there are none. |
| 18:20.00 | kspath | Smerdy egrep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log perhaps ? |
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| 18:20.11 | rublind | markybob: I'm getting an error about /media/cdrom not existing, so I did a mkdir, and it's still not working. |
| 18:20.14 | Smerdy | kspath, already searched for it; nothing. |
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| 18:20.17 | kspath | Smerdy ls -la /var/log/Xorg* |
| 18:20.38 | mohkohn | Why does apt want to remove the following programs when I install Hotplug? |
| 18:20.39 | aliumalik | cisse: no it exits cleanly |
| 18:20.41 | mohkohn | gnome-desktop-environment gnome-volume-manager hal initramfs-tools |
| 18:20.41 | mohkohn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:21.00 | mohkohn | Running etch |
| 18:21.02 | kspath | Smerdy: if the log exists try tail -24 /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:21.29 | Smerdy | kspath, it ends with a bunch of (WW) and (II) lines about display modes. |
| 18:21.33 | meneg | im trying to purge a kernel-image and it's stuck after "updating grub" any ideas? |
| 18:21.41 | markybob | rublind, still not working how? you get another error or is it telling you it doesnt exist still? |
| 18:22.06 | mohkohn | I rather like gnome |
| 18:22.08 | meneg | (or how can i purge it manually?) |
| 18:22.10 | rublind | markybob: It's telling me there's no media found. I don't think it has correctly identified the drive, but it knows it's there |
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| 18:22.20 | markybob | mohkohn, because hotplug and udev collide. and those other apps need udev |
| 18:22.40 | mohkohn | Is one as good as the other? |
| 18:22.44 | markybob | rublind, does eject /dev/hdc work? |
| 18:22.47 | KirbyMeister | for some reason, mozilla-thunderbird hangs after printing out this to the console: "selected locale: en-US |
| 18:22.48 | KirbyMeister | DOUBLE-CLICK: 250 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 |
| 18:22.48 | KirbyMeister | ", opens a window and displays nothing |
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| 18:23.01 | markybob | mohkohn, no. you should stick with udev and forget about hotplug. |
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| 18:23.19 | mohkohn | thanks markybob answers that |
| 18:23.21 | disposable | meneg: dpkg --purge does nothing? |
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| 18:23.38 | dvm1981 | I search for the 'py_apache' to write some stuff in Python, on the apache server |
| 18:23.42 | kspath | Smerdy: define blank screen |
| 18:23.45 | meneg | disposable: thats what im saying. it's stuck after "updating grub", the package is already removed |
| 18:23.46 | dvm1981 | I have |
| 18:23.47 | rublind | markybob: it gives me no output. I think the filesystem type is wrong. |
| 18:23.54 | kspath | Smerdy: right click and left click do nothing? |
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| 18:24.00 | rublind | markybob: correction, "eject" command not found. |
| 18:24.03 | disposable | meneg: define stuck |
| 18:24.03 | kspath | Smerdy: window manager name? |
| 18:24.06 | dvm1981 | I have 'mod_python' installed but that is not enought ? |
| 18:24.09 | meneg | "pc linux-image-2. 2.6.14" |
| 18:24.19 | markybob | rublind, will you apt-get install it? |
| 18:24.21 | meneg | disposable: doesnt do anything |
| 18:24.24 | rublind | Okay. |
| 18:24.35 | freeone3000 | When I hit file-print, it doesn't do anything... It says it ran it to post script. No idea if that's my printer or not... How would I get it to print? |
| 18:24.36 | meneg | the pack is at "pc" state (whatever that means) |
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| 18:25.11 | rublind | markybob: it tells me that /dev/hdc is an invalid argument. |
| 18:25.30 | kspath | Smerdy: are you using an LCD display? maybe you set it in such a way as your LCD can not deal |
| 18:25.31 | Smerdy | kspath, right click and left click lead to a cursor. |
| 18:25.50 | disposable | meneg: in aptitude, does it show up as configured? |
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| 18:26.08 | meneg | let me install aptitude.. |
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| 18:26.11 | Smerdy | kspath, it is an LCD display, but I certainly wouldn't call this an issue about the way _I_ set something up; these settings have been working for years. |
| 18:26.11 | kspath | Smerdy: if you see a cursor than it is not an LCD monitor unable to deal. |
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| 18:26.46 | Smerdy | This might be relevant: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2006/01/msg00281.html |
| 18:27.06 | rublind | markybob: I think that debian thinks my cd drive is faster than it is, I believe I saw 24x, but it's a 6x xD |
| 18:27.13 | kspath | you should read that than |
| 18:27.23 | markybob | rublind, i'm afraid i have to run to work. hopefully someone else here will be able to keep helping you. sorry and good luck :) |
| 18:27.33 | rublind | markybob: that's okay, thanks for everything. |
| 18:27.43 | Smerdy | kspath, I did.... |
| 18:28.16 | mohkohn | Does anybody know of a linux program like i2 analyst notebook: http://www.i2inc.com/Products/Analysts_Notebook/default.asp |
| 18:28.18 | mohkohn | ? |
| 18:28.37 | mohkohn | Preferably opensource |
| 18:28.37 | meneg | (what category are linux-images?) |
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| 18:29.06 | disposable | meneg: just press '/' and type 'linux-image' |
| 18:29.06 | Smerdy | kspath, can you read the final paragraph of that message and explain to me how I can implement the solution it alludes to, please? |
| 18:29.39 | freeone3000 | <freeone3000> When I hit file-print, it doesn't do anything... It says it ran it to post script. No idea if that's my printer or not... How would I get it to print? |
| 18:29.43 | disposable | meneg: it it's really marked as 'cp' it means it's still configured and going to be purged. just press 'g' in aptitude and it should take care of it |
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| 18:29.54 | rublind | What are all of the filesystem types for cd drives? |
| 18:29.58 | rublind | Just iso9660? |
| 18:30.02 | meneg | it has a "c" next to it |
| 18:30.14 | blondie | rublind: hfs? |
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| 18:30.18 | kspath | Smerdy: I can not. Someone with years of experience running testing should be able to without assistance. |
| 18:30.31 | disposable | meneg: when you're on it (highlighted) press '_', not '-' and then 'g' |
| 18:30.38 | rublind | blondie: what? I'm sorry, Is that one of them? |
| 18:30.49 | Smerdy | kspath, why would you think that? |
| 18:31.02 | main | After upgrading from Linux kernel 2.6.8 to Linux kernel 2.6.15 (either Linux image from backports.org via apt-get, or compiling my own from Linux source from backports.org), I can no longer use my mouse properly. |
| 18:31.02 | kspath | Smerdy: I am BOFH that is why. |
| 18:31.02 | blondie | rublind: yes, used by macs |
| 18:31.12 | rublind | blondie: This isn't a mac though... |
| 18:31.22 | blondie | rublind: so? |
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| 18:31.27 | meneg | disposable: the same as with purging it on a terminal. it's hanged after "updating grub" |
| 18:31.30 | rublind | blondie: dunno, I'm trying it. |
| 18:31.35 | blondie | you can still get hfs CDs |
| 18:31.37 | rublind | blondie: nope. |
| 18:31.54 | blondie | what do you mean nope? |
| 18:32.02 | rublind | blondie: it doesn't work. Sorry. =p |
| 18:32.02 | meneg | Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done <- then nth, if I ctrl-c, "there's been an error" and stuff |
| 18:32.18 | blondie | rublind: I didn't say it would, just that it's a FS sometimes used for CDs :P |
| 18:32.24 | disposable | meneg: try to delete it manually from /boot/grub/menu.lst (make sure you've a different kernel set up to boot from) |
| 18:32.30 | rublind | blondie: oh, okay. =) |
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| 18:32.54 | meneg | disposable: yes, that package is stuck there for ages, i was looking for at least manually removing it.. |
| 18:32.58 | meneg | k.. |
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| 18:33.19 | OfficeChair | I need to be able to click and drag via my Toshiba laptop's touch pad. Unfortunately, I have lost the ability to tap the touch pad twice quickly to drag an object on screen (after the Linux kernel upgrade.) |
| 18:33.19 | blondie | hmm cold |
| 18:33.40 | meneg | disposable: ive already removed it from the menu.lst.. |
| 18:33.51 | OfficeChair | 2.6.8 allowed this functionality. 2.6.15 does not. |
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| 18:33.53 | disposable | meneg: you could still try --force-all with dpkg |
| 18:33.56 | meneg | i hope that's not the reason it's stuck |
| 18:33.59 | freeone3000 | <freeone3000> <freeone3000> When I hit file-print, it doesn't do anything... It says it ran it to post script. No idea if that's my printer or not... How would I get it to print? |
| 18:33.59 | meneg | aha |
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| 18:34.06 | OfficeChair | Is there a CONFIG option for this? |
| 18:34.17 | saad3000 | hello, why I cant install yahoo messenger it keeps telling me about libssl and i have the latest. |
| 18:34.17 | disposable | meneg: it might be actually :) |
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| 18:34.29 | disposable | meneg: have you tried to install and purge it again? |
| 18:34.33 | poli | Hello all. I am getting some... weird... when doing a md5sum on a CD, I get: error processing /dev/hdb: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error |
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| 18:34.39 | poli | What is that? |
| 18:34.44 | meneg | disposable: force all still same |
| 18:34.46 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: Don't use instant messengers. E-Mail is better. |
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| 18:34.51 | meneg | disposable: i don't have that package anymore:P |
| 18:34.55 | SAAD3000 | heh |
| 18:34.56 | meneg | (it was from some source) |
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| 18:35.28 | Ronin | SAAD3000: looked into gaim? |
| 18:35.28 | OfficeChair | meneg: Maybe it is expecting an older version libssl? |
| 18:35.34 | OfficeChair | err, SAAD3000 |
| 18:35.43 | meneg | dunno.. |
| 18:35.44 | kspath | SAAD3000: tried centericq ? |
| 18:35.46 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: Can you give us the actual error? |
| 18:35.46 | meneg | a |
| 18:35.48 | meneg | heh |
| 18:35.55 | SAAD3000 | Ronin: gaim is complicated and it doesn't have the invisible before you sign in. |
| 18:36.01 | SAAD3000 | OfficeChair: ofcourse a sec |
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| 18:36.17 | Ronin | complicated? not even hardly but thats another discussion |
| 18:36.18 | kspath | SAAD3000: tried naim? |
| 18:36.21 | disposable | meneg: pdo.debian.net and get it from there. try dpkg-reconfigure for grub |
| 18:36.50 | Quibus | any idea how to handle the 'missing symbol for <<somefont>>' problems? |
| 18:36.53 | meneg | disposable: i had made that package with make-kpgk |
| 18:36.55 | KirbyMeister | anyone having problems loading mozilla-thunderbird? |
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| 18:37.02 | SAAD3000 | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ymessenger: |
| 18:37.03 | SAAD3000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.03 | SAAD3000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.03 | SAAD3000 | dpkg: error processing ymessenger (--install): |
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| 18:37.11 | meneg | disposable: and it's no longer "available".. |
| 18:37.11 | OfficeChair | I personally don't know why anyone would want a program that allows other people to instantly pester you while you are writing C code in vi or buying/selling on ebay. It is bad enough I get dumb questions from potential buyers on ebay. |
| 18:37.13 | disposable | meneg: aaaah. and you're paying the price dearly :) |
| 18:37.17 | cahoot | Quibus: hit by libXft.so.2 upgrade? |
| 18:37.21 | Quibus | cahoot: yep |
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| 18:37.30 | Ronin | OfficeChair: well in that case you can turn it off too you know :) |
| 18:37.30 | faber2 | hi everybody |
| 18:37.32 | Quibus | cahoot: I can't even read my mail anymore |
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| 18:37.35 | meneg | hey, i use make-kpkg for ages with no other probs:p |
| 18:37.40 | SAAD3000 | oh sorry i didn't know |
| 18:37.48 | SAAD3000 | did you guys see the problem? |
| 18:38.01 | freeone3000 | k |
| 18:38.01 | freeone3000 | <freeone3000> <freeone3000> <freeone3000> When I hit file-print, it doesn't do anything... It says it ran it to post script. No idea if that's my printer or not... How would I get it to print? |
| 18:38.02 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: Ah. |
| 18:38.03 | Quibus | cahoot: I saw the bug reports against that pakcage, but I haven't found a workaround or cure yet |
| 18:38.09 | faber2 | i am trying to use CAPI + Fritz ISDN card in Debian. Has anyone this working? |
| 18:38.14 | disposable | meneg: so the kernel is not there, it is not in the menu.lst, right? why does it bother you then? |
| 18:38.31 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: Determine what version of libssl you have currently installed. |
| 18:38.40 | meneg | disposable: it's just annoying when I use a "purge all" script:p |
| 18:38.42 | cahoot | Quibus: sid or etch? |
| 18:38.48 | Quibus | cahoot: I'm on etch |
| 18:39.13 | disposable | meneg: i can imagine. can't help you though. |
| 18:39.15 | KirbyMeister | what does DOUBLE-CLICK: 250 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 mean? |
| 18:39.17 | meneg | k |
| 18:39.25 | SAAD3000 | libssl0.9.7 |
| 18:39.38 | SAAD3000 | I have this one with the devel. |
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| 18:39.41 | cahoot | Quibus: ok there probably is some intelligent way to fix this - but since I was in a hurry I temporarily use the lib fom sarge |
| 18:39.43 | Quibus | cahoot: 'on the etch' so to speak :) |
| 18:39.44 | exmethix | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 18:39.50 | exmethix | What could i do? |
| 18:39.53 | Quibus | cahoot: you just dpkg -i'd it? |
| 18:40.09 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: Okay, do this: |
| 18:40.16 | cahoot | Quibus: no I have a backup version of sarge on this system |
| 18:40.23 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: apt-get install libssl0.9.6 |
| 18:40.25 | Quibus | ah, I don't |
| 18:40.43 | meneg | can I open some file to remove manually an entry of a package? |
| 18:40.47 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: The two versions of libssl should coexist. |
| 18:40.53 | cahoot | Quibus: don't follow in my steps without checking for more reliable fixes |
| 18:41.14 | SAAD3000 | OfficeChair: its not avaliable |
| 18:41.20 | OfficeChair | Hmm. |
| 18:41.50 | SAAD3000 | weird. |
| 18:41.57 | OfficeChair | Works here. |
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| 18:42.15 | SAAD3000 | even weirder :> |
| 18:42.40 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 18:42.42 | OfficeChair | What mirror are you using? |
| 18:42.50 | ringo999 | hi, i got rid of gnome and kde to use xfce now. i really love it. only thing im not happy with is the terminal. something is wrong with the alt-key binding...any alternatives or ways to set it up? |
| 18:42.51 | kulla | could anybody tell me how i can receive a new ip adress over dhcp? what command |
| 18:42.51 | OfficeChair | (For apt) |
| 18:42.52 | SAAD3000 | OfficeChair: am new I really dont know |
| 18:42.57 | elvirolo | can anyone help me with the problem i've desribed there : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=417617 ? |
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| 18:43.13 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: Okay, privmsg me your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:43.47 | rublind | I'm having a problem mounting my external cd drive, can anybody help me? |
| 18:43.59 | SAAD3000 | oke |
| 18:44.03 | nkuttler | kulla: run dhclient? |
| 18:44.20 | OfficeChair | rublind: SCSI? USB? |
| 18:44.27 | faber2 | whats the latest stable kernel? |
| 18:44.31 | rublind | OfficeChair: PCMCIA |
| 18:44.32 | nkuttler | faber2: debian or vanilla? |
| 18:44.45 | faber2 | nkuttler: vanilla |
| 18:44.46 | OfficeChair | rublind: Hmm. |
| 18:44.56 | nkuttler | faber2: go to kernel.org... |
| 18:45.02 | rublind | OfficeChair: I know it's at /dev/hdc but I am just having problems mounting it. |
| 18:45.05 | faber2 | is the 2.6.15 the dev branch? |
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| 18:45.13 | faber2 | should i use 2.6.14 ? |
| 18:45.14 | OfficeChair | rublind: What type is it? |
| 18:45.24 | OfficeChair | rublind: Teac? |
| 18:45.24 | nkuttler | faber2: well... 2.6.15 is officially stable |
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| 18:45.32 | rublind | OfficeChair: EXP |
| 18:45.38 | rublind | OfficeChair: It's really old, 6x. = |
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| 18:45.41 | rublind | =) |
| 18:45.42 | nkuttler | faber2: although there is a 2.6.x.y numbering scheme now with updates |
| 18:45.45 | faber2 | nkuttler: can i do a make oldconfig, even though i was using 2.4 ? |
| 18:45.59 | nkuttler | faber2: don't think so. didn't work for me |
| 18:45.59 | OfficeChair | rublind: Ebay it to a sucker and get a USB drive. :) |
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| 18:46.15 | klync | can anyone help diagnose why my newly created (software) raid-1 devices are not getting detected? when I run `mdadm --query /dev/hdd[1236]` i get lines like "device 0 in 2 device undetected raid1 md0" |
| 18:46.17 | rublind | OfficeChair: hah, it's not mine, I'm just borrowing it, but I want to be able to use it. |
| 18:46.23 | disposable | meneg: did you get my /msg? |
| 18:46.31 | meneg | ah just saw it sry |
| 18:46.38 | OfficeChair | 6x is for people with too much free time. |
| 18:46.46 | epsilon | I added an user into a group, but how can I make it recognized? Opening new console still doesn't show the new group |
| 18:46.48 | rublind | OfficeChair: plus, this laptop isn't really worth it, it's a PII 500 mHz |
| 18:46.56 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: Did you find sources.list okay? |
| 18:47.01 | nkuttler | epsilon: log out, log in |
| 18:47.21 | epsilon | nkuttler: any way without logout/in? |
| 18:47.22 | SAAD3000 | OfficeChair: I pasted you in pm did u see it? |
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| 18:47.47 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: Give the first line in the channel. That should be enough. |
| 18:47.52 | SAAD3000 | ok |
| 18:47.54 | nkuttler | epsilon: no |
| 18:48.02 | epsilon | crap |
| 18:48.07 | epsilon | I feel like in windows |
| 18:48.14 | OfficeChair | epsilon: Why? |
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| 18:48.25 | rublind | epsilon: in windows you wold have to reboot. |
| 18:48.32 | SAAD3000 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 18:48.34 | multi_io | xterm -en <encoding> does not work. |
| 18:48.35 | cahoot | epsilon: might look at newgrp |
| 18:48.41 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: Okay. |
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| 18:49.03 | multi_io | it interprets <encoding> as a command and tries to execute it. |
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| 18:49.20 | AciD | how can you remove a package that doesn't want to be removed ? http://rafb.net/paste/results/qrx6dK42.html This is annoying as I can't upgrade/install anything because of that faulty package.. |
| 18:49.30 | justin | multi_io: uh, because you are supposed to replace <encoding> with the encoding you want to use |
| 18:49.43 | Smerdy | Which configuration file sets which X11 driver in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers is loaded? |
| 18:49.49 | multi_io | justin: I do that |
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| 18:50.19 | SAAD3000 | OfficeChair: so? |
| 18:50.19 | multi_io | xterm -en iso-8859-1 in my case |
| 18:50.33 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: My mirror has it. |
| 18:50.47 | z3rd | http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/47221/index.html |
| 18:50.53 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: Are you using Sarge? |
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| 18:51.00 | SAAD3000 | OfficeChair: no. |
| 18:51.00 | nkuttler | AciD: hm, is that a debian box? |
| 18:51.08 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: That would be why. |
| 18:51.16 | dvm1981 | if i do 'LANG="fr_FR"; cat foo' the msg must be printed in french. Right ?? |
| 18:51.19 | SAAD3000 | OfficeChair: solution? |
| 18:51.21 | justin | multi_io: works fine for me |
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| 18:51.41 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: What are you using? |
| 18:51.46 | SAAD3000 | OfficeChair: should I download the libssl pkgmanuallay |
| 18:51.50 | SAAD3000 | OfficeChair: elive |
| 18:52.02 | justin | dvm1981: LANG="fr_FR" cat foo |
| 18:52.13 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: It is worth a try. |
| 18:52.18 | rublind | OH! Does anyone know how to fix/stop those annoying locale errors I get from perl and "locale" ? |
| 18:52.21 | SAAD3000 | ok |
| 18:52.31 | pipeline | rublind: dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 18:52.36 | dvm1981 | justin: david@neptune:~$ LANG="fr_FR" cat foo cat: foo: No such file or directory |
| 18:52.39 | rublind | pipeline: thank you |
| 18:52.39 | SAAD3000 | OfficeChair: but they both coexist right |
| 18:52.41 | freeone3000 | <freeone3000> <freeone3000> <freeone3000> <freeone3000> When I hit file-print, it doesn't do anything... It says it ran it to post script. No idea if that's my printer or not... How would I get it to print? |
| 18:52.44 | pipeline | rublind: You probably have the system locale set to something that hasn't been "generated" |
| 18:52.55 | rublind | pipeline: ah, okay. |
| 18:52.58 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: Yes. |
| 18:53.02 | pipeline | rublind: Actually, now I forget, is it "locale" or "locales" you need to reconfigure? I don't know. You'll figure it out. |
| 18:53.05 | dvm1981 | justin: So the msg are been in english and not french. Is there a problem ? |
| 18:53.06 | freeone3000 | Or a better question, how would I print a file from postscript? |
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| 18:53.11 | OfficeChair | freeone3000: Be more specific. |
| 18:53.16 | justin | dvm1981: what msg? |
| 18:53.18 | pipeline | freeone3000: Usually you just run "lpr" |
| 18:53.22 | SAAD3000 | OfficeChair: thanx |
| 18:53.26 | pipeline | freeone3000: But your printer has to be set up for that to work :P |
| 18:53.29 | zebalin4 | General queston: lets say package foo is ver. 100 in 'testing'. Say you use sid and ver. 101 was in sid and is the one you have. Then 102 hits sid, you get it, it does not work. Where can you get 101 back from? Anywhere? |
| 18:53.31 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: No problem. |
| 18:53.34 | dvm1981 | justin: 'foo: No such file or directory' |
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| 18:53.36 | OfficeChair | freeone3000: Did you follow the Debian documentation? |
| 18:53.41 | pipeline | zebalin4: There's always snapshot.debian.net ... |
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| 18:53.54 | pipeline | zebalin4: It's pretty easy to hose your system installing old packages from snapshot.debian.net, though. |
| 18:53.57 | rublind | pipeline: locales is either broken or not fully installed.... |
| 18:53.59 | freeone3000 | OfficeChair: No... |
| 18:54.05 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: This channel isn't for Debian-derivative support. |
| 18:54.06 | zebalin4 | pipeline: oh. I thought snap is only for sarge and etch. thanks. |
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| 18:54.24 | nkuttler | zebalin4: maybe /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 18:54.36 | dvm1981 | justin: I try to use the man pages in french. But failing. |
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| 18:54.40 | OfficeChair | freeone3000: Please help yourself with Google before intermittently pestering here. |
| 18:54.42 | zebalin4 | nkuttler: hmmm. learn something every day. thanks. |
| 18:54.42 | dsl1913 | Hi |
| 18:55.03 | Quibus | Anyone else with a workaround for the libXft2 problem? |
| 18:55.05 | SAAD3000 | OfficeChair: alright |
| 18:55.24 | dvm1981 | justin: And i also not whant to set permenant the language to french. I look for a method, when i like it, to use the man pages in french |
| 18:55.25 | JoeLoute | what command should i use to display the /dev/* name of the hard drive am using |
| 18:55.27 | multi_io | justin: what version does your xterm package have? Mine's 208-3.1. |
| 18:55.42 | vguerra | i cant write letters in the log in screen ( gdm ) when i want to type my username |
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| 18:55.54 | JoeLoute | anyone? |
| 18:56.00 | vguerra | numbers i can ... but letters no :( |
| 18:56.07 | OfficeChair | SAAD3000: This channel isn't for Debian-derivative support. It would be good to find an elive-specific channel. *cough* Ubuntu *cough* users go to #ubuntu, for example. The people here are running the actual Debian distribution. |
| 18:56.17 | dvm1981 | Also i recieve the error 'man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct' |
| 18:56.30 | rublind | OfficeChair: hah. |
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| 18:56.39 | OfficeChair | rublind: ? |
| 18:56.51 | rublind | OfficeChair: your comment to SAAD3000. I found it amusing. |
| 18:56.57 | OfficeChair | rublind: Heheh |
| 18:56.59 | nkuttler | JoeLoute: what do you mean with the hard drive you are using? /? something you connected? |
| 18:57.21 | rublind | Okay, now back to my issue! =p I need to fix locales, and I don't know how! =) |
| 18:57.37 | OfficeChair | rublind: dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 18:57.45 | Sonny | How do I decide what should I upgrade or what not? Should I do apt-get install upgrade every week? or every day? |
| 18:57.47 | nkuttler | rublind: dpkg-reconfigure locales even |
| 18:57.58 | rublind | OfficeChair: I tried that (it's with an s but the way) but it says that it's either broken or not installed fully. |
| 18:58.03 | dvm1981 | Have someone sugestion to read the manpages in french without changing the system language ? I have installed the 'manpage-fr'. |
| 18:58.05 | nkuttler | Sonny: subscribe the security mailing list |
| 18:58.13 | JoeLoute | am on a live cd now i wanna use fdisk to repartition my hard drive but it's not on hda-b-c-d nor sda-b-c-d |
| 18:58.16 | OfficeChair | rublind: Err, locales |
| 18:58.25 | JoeLoute | nkuttler, |
| 18:58.26 | nkuttler | dvm1981: LANG=foo command? |
| 18:58.37 | vguerra | anyone has experienced that problem? |
| 18:58.40 | rublind | OfficeChair, nkuttler: It says that locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 18:58.56 | nkuttler | rublind: paste the output somewhere |
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| 18:59.08 | dvm1981 | nkuttler: LANG="fr_FR" man man ?? |
| 18:59.15 | tknits_kitsahcot | hallo. |
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| 18:59.22 | OfficeChair | rublind: apt-get remove locales && apt-get install locales |
| 18:59.23 | dvm1981 | nkuttler: man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 18:59.35 | AciD | nkuttler > yes it is, I aliened a suse rpm package thinging it was a noarch one.. |
| 18:59.52 | rublind | OfficeChair: Package locales has no insatllation candidate, I don't think I have good mirrors. |
| 18:59.53 | tknits_kitsahcot | hello. |
| 18:59.54 | nkuttler | AciD: fix the script in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 18:59.56 | AciD | and now I'm stuck with a non upgradable/installable debian system :\ |
| 19:00.00 | OfficeChair | rublind: If it is messed up like that, you'll probably need to reinstall it. |
| 19:00.01 | rublind | nkuttler: ./usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
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| 19:00.05 | AciD | thinking |
| 19:00.08 | dvm1981 | nkuttler: That not work, o i do somethings wrong |
| 19:00.13 | JoeLoute | can anyone help me out please? |
| 19:00.14 | OfficeChair | rublind: Is this Sarge? |
| 19:00.16 | dvm1981 | s/o/or |
| 19:00.22 | rublind | OfficeChair: Etch. |
| 19:00.30 | tknits_kitsahcot | is ANYONE here no bot?? ;-) |
| 19:00.41 | OfficeChair | Ah. I just use Sarge. :) |
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| 19:00.45 | rublind | OfficeChair: or at least it's supposed to be (I updated from floppy installation of sarge) |
| 19:00.54 | nkuttler | dvm1981: hm, dpkg-reconfigure locales and add fr_FR? |
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| 19:01.04 | AciD | nkuttler > thx for the tip, I'll investigate that |
| 19:01.10 | dvm1981 | nkuttler: Ok doing :-) |
| 19:01.18 | OfficeChair | rublind: I like to stay with Sarge, I find I have less problems. If I need something new, I use backports. |
| 19:01.18 | Sonny | nkuttler: after a "apt-get install upgrade" the way of my menu bar changed, how can I recover the old style? |
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| 19:01.35 | rublind | OfficeChair: oh, well, sucks for me then, huh? =p |
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| 19:01.48 | pudo | Hey people. I was just wondering if one can run both php4 and php5 with apache1 on debian stable at the same time with no impact on php4? |
| 19:01.48 | bnoji | What's a good random pass generator? |
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| 19:02.01 | nkuttler | bnoji: pwgen |
| 19:02.06 | bnoji | I need to create user accounts and distribute passes for a few people |
| 19:02.08 | bnoji | thanks, |
| 19:02.15 | Smerdy | Uh oh... how can I get Debian not to start XWindows by default on startup? Once it does, it looks like driver problems prevent anything from appearing on the monitor. |
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| 19:02.41 | nkuttler | Smerdy: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 19:03.07 | Smerdy | nkuttler, that doesn't help. I can't get access to a console anymore. |
| 19:03.13 | tknits_kitsahcot | since everyone seems only to ask his or her question... how do you configure a scanner on debian? |
| 19:03.19 | nkuttler | Smerdy: ctrl-alt-F1? |
| 19:03.28 | Smerdy | nkuttler, doesn't change the display at all. |
| 19:03.41 | rublind | I need to download locales, ah! |
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| 19:03.49 | nkuttler | Smerdy: ssh into the box? |
| 19:03.50 | shingouz | tknits_kitsahcot: you need sane for it, most scanners are supported by it |
| 19:03.55 | Smerdy | nkuttler, oh, good idea. :) |
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| 19:04.03 | dvm1981 | nkuttler: Whas already done, but i think i have not logout and in after doing it, logout and loging again now |
| 19:04.03 | OfficeChair | rublind: Sorry, I won't be much help to you. Perhaps you haven't tried Googling around, or posting to the mailing list if all else fails? I can usually find the answer to the most obscure Debian-related issues with enough Googling. |
| 19:04.07 | cla | Howdy. Is there any way I can deny connections from host x after y failed ssh login attempts for z minutes? |
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| 19:04.21 | OfficeChair | (I am using Googling as a gerund) |
| 19:04.26 | cla | Our auth.log's are megabytes in size from failed login attempts... |
| 19:04.30 | tknits_kitsahcot | @shingouz I know... I am running sane under SuSE. But under Debian it says "no input device" |
| 19:04.35 | AciD | nkuttler > worked like a charm, thx a lot :) |
| 19:05.01 | zebalin4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.03 | rublind | OfficeChair: my sources.list is empty, that could be why. And if I knew that a Gerund was (I don't recall, English not my strong suit), that may hve been funnier for me. :) But none-the-less, googling is a good verb. |
| 19:05.05 | shingouz | tknits_kitsahcot: usb? scsi? parallel? you sure your kernel has the module it needs? |
| 19:05.24 | OfficeChair | rublind: Yeah, put something in there. |
| 19:05.26 | tknits_kitsahcot | @shingouz: USB. I dont know. |
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| 19:05.34 | nkuttler | rublind: run apt-setup then |
| 19:05.37 | OfficeChair | rublind: I think there is a way to to it automagically |
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| 19:05.44 | OfficeChair | rublind: Yeah, apt-setup |
| 19:05.50 | tknits_kitsahcot | @shingouz: it is a usb-scanner, but i do not know about the kernel modules. |
| 19:05.51 | rublind | nkuttler, OfficeChair: I'm running apt-spy, that's why, I think it cleared it out. |
| 19:05.52 | zebalin4 | lsof: konqueror 32275 al 19r REG 8,19 447336 92164 /media/sdb3/home/al/documents/414.pdf Why is this process alive? |
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| 19:06.04 | shingouz | tknits_kitsahcot: try lsmod and see what it says. check your nick complete too, the @ is not usually appreciated ;) |
| 19:06.04 | OfficeChair | rublind: Then try to apt-get remove locales && apt-get install locales |
| 19:06.16 | rublind | OfficeChair: will do, thank you. |
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| 19:06.42 | tull | hello. am about to install debian. just wondering how much swap space i just separate. since i got 1GB ram 2 gb seems too much. when i was using 512MB I had 1gb swap and it wasn't used nearly half |
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| 19:06.57 | tknits_kitsahcot | shingouz: thanks. |
| 19:07.00 | yos87 | hi, |
| 19:07.14 | yos87 | my debian menue is no opening , someone can help me |
| 19:07.17 | dvm1981 | nkuttler: I no more recive this error, but the manpages in french not work :-( |
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| 19:07.25 | TurboBee | can someone help me verify my device modules? I'm a little confused on how to setup eth1, I was told something about a configuration file last night and im not sure how that works. My purpose is to setup ip masquerading. eth0 to the internet and eth1 to trusted LAN |
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| 19:07.35 | shingouz | tknits_kitsahcot: np |
| 19:07.36 | OfficeChair | yos87: WTF? Debian menu? |
| 19:07.43 | sepski | tull, depends on how many applications your going to have laying around idle. linux uses aggressive swapping so it wont hurt to have 1GB or 2 |
| 19:07.46 | yos87 | officechair: yes |
| 19:07.48 | nkuttler | dvm1981: did you install french man pages? |
| 19:07.48 | JT|work | tull: if you don't think you'll be using swap, set it low to 512M, otherwise you should have lots of space, give it a gig |
| 19:07.57 | rublind | I need a good hostname for my laptop. What's a good movie character? |
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| 19:07.59 | dvm1981 | nkuttler: Yes |
| 19:08.00 | OfficeChair | yos87: Be more specific please. |
| 19:08.10 | tull | JT|work ok. thanks. |
| 19:08.16 | dvm1981 | nkuttler: Also the dutch version, but no matters |
| 19:08.27 | shingouz | rublind: gromit :p |
| 19:08.34 | Bitz | hi, what packages do i need to install for setting up nis server? |
| 19:08.37 | dvm1981 | nkuttler: And the dutch one, i also fail to view it |
| 19:08.38 | rublind | shingouz: Good one! |
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| 19:09.08 | rublind | How do I make my computer realize that I've changed it's hostname, log out and in? |
| 19:09.10 | zebalin4 | damn. Kong keeps a 'preloaded' process. You have to turn this to zero in Settings. |
| 19:09.21 | naphex | Since an update (on testing) involving dbus, hal and gnome-volume-manager, the cdrom drive is correctly mounted in /media/cdrom (by gnome-volume-manager), but nautilus' CD-Rom Drive (in the "Computer" window) does not give access to the drive, because "/dev/hdc is already mounted to /media/cdrom". Is it a bug that should be reported? How can I solve it? |
| 19:09.30 | yos87 | officechair: thank you |
| 19:09.30 | magnus | I have a problem with a harddrive that has been used with ontrack software for it to be accessible on an old computer. It works by some overlay program is loaded when the computer boots and then this allows linux to see all of the harddrive. Now my problem is that I cannot get this initial program to load because this harddrive is not the boot device. This makes linux only see the real partition table with one 33 GB DM6 partition and not access it as a e |
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| 19:10.04 | magnus | Is there a way to remove this ontrack DM6 or use linux programs to access the entire disk without installing the ontrack software on the disc again? Any help apreciated or pointers to other source of help. |
| 19:10.14 | nkuttler | dvm1981: see /usr/share/doc/manpages-foo. it should explain everything |
| 19:10.14 | klync | zebalin4: `echo newhostname > /proc/sys/kernel/hostname` |
| 19:10.24 | tull | I am installing debian in a dell laptop. it comes with a partition called dell diagnostics which I was told not to remove. but there is also another one with about 5 gb! does anyone have any experience with this? |
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| 19:10.50 | nkuttler | tull: probably a 'recovery' partition |
| 19:10.57 | dvm1981 | nkuttler: Thanks man for the support, i read it now :-) |
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| 19:11.35 | tull | nkuttler hum! I can delete that if I have a recovery cd anyway right? |
| 19:11.44 | nkuttler | tull: i'd just wipe everything. however, you may need a windows-only tool to create a suspend to disk partition |
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| 19:12.07 | OfficeChair | tull: Depends. |
| 19:12.13 | nkuttler | tull: well, i would not care about whatever crap dell put on the laptop, but that's only me |
| 19:12.24 | OfficeChair | tull: On some machines, the partition contains the system setup program. |
| 19:12.25 | shingouz | tull: that probably contains the doze recovery stuff. do *not* delete the dell partition or you will have a huge headache when you try to rebuild the laptop (or access the bios) |
| 19:12.32 | OfficeChair | tull: Like some Compaq Armadas |
| 19:12.35 | tty | tull: the recovery cd uses the files from the 5 gig partition to restore the computer .. worhtless if you use linux ;) |
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| 19:12.47 | tull | nkuttler the diagnostic partition aparently has tools for their technicians to work with if this thing breaks. |
| 19:12.50 | nkuttler | shingouz: the bios? seriously? |
| 19:12.55 | OfficeChair | tty: Yes, but what if he plans to sell his laptop? |
| 19:12.58 | dvm1981 | nkuttler: I remember to already have read it, without succes, read it again |
| 19:13.00 | OfficeChair | tull: I would back it up. |
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| 19:13.03 | nkuttler | tull: google 'linux install laptop model' |
| 19:13.11 | shingouz | nkuttler: like the compaq armadas or ibm ps/2 |
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| 19:13.19 | OfficeChair | shingouz: Right. |
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| 19:13.22 | shingouz | !tell tull about laptop |
| 19:13.40 | nkuttler | scary |
| 19:13.46 | AciD | !tell AciD about laptop |
| 19:13.57 | tull | Yeah ill do a little search. thanks |
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| 19:14.01 | shingouz | what is scary, nkuttler? |
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| 19:14.11 | OfficeChair | If you plan to ever resell your laptop, you should make sure there is a way to get the *legal* version of Windows reinstalled. |
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| 19:14.45 | nkuttler | shingouz: that a bios would care about what is on a hd |
| 19:14.48 | OfficeChair | I upgrade my laptop every 3-6 months, so I like to be able to get Windows XP reinstalled when I am ready to sell it on eBay. |
| 19:15.06 | OfficeChair | nkuttler: Saves money. |
| 19:15.07 | jadrifter | apt question: is there a way to get apt to just show you what would be upgraded without it trying to upgrade ie waiting for a Y/n? I'm scripting and looking for simple output. |
| 19:15.08 | apt | ...but question: is already something else... |
| 19:15.12 | tull | OfficeChair but do u need both the recovery partition and diagnostics for that? |
| 19:15.14 | shingouz | nkuttler: that is how it is sometimes done. at least compaq and ibm has used that in the past |
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| 19:15.24 | OfficeChair | tull: YES> |
| 19:15.32 | petemc | OfficeChair: no you dont |
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| 19:15.55 | blondie | OfficeChair: what does a piece of furniture know? |
| 19:16.01 | OfficeChair | tull: It is very common that the recovery CD uses a partition on your HDD to "restore" Windows. |
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| 19:16.07 | multi_io | does xterm -en iso-8859-1 work for you? |
| 19:16.27 | multi_io | here it interprets "iso-8859-1" as a command and tries to execute it... |
| 19:16.31 | blondie | OfficeChair: it's not very common |
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| 19:16.50 | OfficeChair | blondie: I'm not just any piece of furniture, I'm a cloth-covered office chair. |
| 19:16.54 | petemc | dells recovery cds repartition the drive |
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| 19:17.04 | OfficeChair | petemc: Yes, Dell does. |
| 19:17.06 | shingouz | OfficeChair: with hand rests? |
| 19:17.12 | rublind | OfficeChair, nkuttler: I reinstalled locales, hopefully now I wont get anymore errors. |
| 19:17.13 | OfficeChair | petemc: If you get all the CDs. |
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| 19:17.17 | blondie | at least, the sony, toshiba, hp and dell laptops I've fixed dont use any hidden partitions |
| 19:17.24 | OfficeChair | shingouz: Yes, plush hand rests. |
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| 19:17.35 | blondie | dell give you full windows CDs |
| 19:17.48 | petemc | no they dont |
| 19:17.49 | shingouz | OfficeChair: oooooo |
| 19:17.53 | jadrifter | My dell has 2 hidden partitions. |
| 19:17.56 | petemc | its off topic here tho |
| 19:18.04 | blondie | petemc: they do. |
| 19:18.07 | jadrifter | Support recommended I keep them after I switched to Ubuntu. |
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| 19:18.18 | petemc | blondie: they dont in ireland/uk |
| 19:18.23 | blondie | they do in the UK thanks |
| 19:18.23 | OfficeChair | The last two Compaqs I have been aquainted with used hidden recovery partitions. |
| 19:18.36 | petemc | blondie: recovery != full copy of windows |
| 19:18.39 | blondie | they claim to be recovery CDs but are full windows xp cds |
| 19:18.52 | OfficeChair | And Compaq wanted payment for the CDs that reinstall Windows entirely. |
| 19:18.54 | blondie | at least the ones i have seen. |
| 19:18.55 | OfficeChair | petemc: Exactly. |
| 19:18.55 | tull | jadrifter really? that means I will loose 5 gb |
| 19:19.10 | nkuttler | blondie: could you use them to install on a non-dell box? |
| 19:19.15 | shingouz | tull: how big is the hd on the laptop? |
| 19:19.17 | rublind | I need help configuring the sound for my laptop, I just realized that I have none. >_< |
| 19:19.18 | arsen | what exactly does apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 do ?:/ i swear you used to be able to upgrade kernel just by doing that, not sure what it did this time :\ still on 2.6.12-386 |
| 19:19.21 | jadrifter | tull: They didn't say I HAD to keep them. Just suggested it. |
| 19:19.40 | OfficeChair | If you have more than two "restore" CDs, they probably don't need a hidden partition to reinstall Windows. |
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| 19:19.53 | tull | shingouz 100gb |
| 19:20.01 | OfficeChair | Note you may have more than three, as they also install useful things like AOL, etc. |
| 19:20.05 | jadrifter | apt question: How can I get a list of programs that will be upgraded if I give the upgrade command? |
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| 19:20.09 | dvm1981 | nkuttler: In the french section the help file are not clear. In the dutch section, the readme file are missing |
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| 19:20.23 | nkuttler | jadrifter: man apt-get, -u |
| 19:20.24 | shingouz | tull: and you complain about 5GB? you sure you definitely need the space? ;) |
| 19:20.33 | augi01 | Does anyone know why my wireless card is having issues? I know it's recognized and that the drivers are loaded, I can connect to different networks but when I start up a browser I get no internet.. |
| 19:20.35 | tull | I was looking in the box and i dont even have the recovery cd |
| 19:20.39 | jadrifter | nkuttler, that will still aske me if I want to install. |
| 19:20.54 | jadrifter | I'm looking for a scriptable solution. |
| 19:21.03 | shingouz | augi01: does the thing resolve? your routing ok? |
| 19:21.03 | OfficeChair | tull: How many recovery CDs are there? Just one? |
| 19:21.09 | blondie | nkuttler: yes. |
| 19:21.14 | augi01 | shingouz: How do I check that? |
| 19:21.20 | nkuttler | jadrifter: man apt-get... |
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| 19:21.26 | kspath | tull: I had to order a set of CDs from Compaq. They only work for my model as well. |
| 19:21.32 | tull | OfficeChair none |
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| 19:21.39 | shingouz | augi01: try pinging www.google.com for starters, report what it says |
| 19:21.51 | rublind | Can someone help me set up my sound system? |
| 19:21.53 | OfficeChair | tull: Call Dell and get full restore CDs if you can. |
| 19:21.55 | kspath | I am so glad I can wipe windows and install debian |
| 19:21.57 | jadrifter | I've read the man pages nkuttler. Now I need a solution. |
| 19:22.20 | nkuttler | jadrifter: you missed the solution when you read it |
| 19:22.31 | OfficeChair | tull: They may charge. But if it is less than $75 USD, it is worth it. Either that, or leave the diagnostics/recovery partition entact. |
| 19:22.31 | tull | OfficeChair i will try but i doubt it. i good a crappy media center edition as part of winxp home. i got the price down. |
| 19:22.37 | jadrifter | nkuttler if you don't know you don't have to answer. |
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| 19:23.00 | tull | OfficeChair I will just leave the partition. I dont use windows anyway. |
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| 19:23.14 | deadcat_ | i wonder when will xgl get to debian. |
| 19:23.15 | arsen | is ther a guide to upgrading kernel i can follow, i also wana build in like, nvidia graphics stuff to it? suggestions?:p ty |
| 19:23.24 | OfficeChair | tull: Okay. But if you plan to sell, being able to reinstall Windows is good. |
| 19:23.36 | tull | hence leaving the partition! |
| 19:23.41 | nkuttler | jadrifter: haha, i do know. i just feel like you did not read the man page. |
| 19:23.43 | OfficeChair | tull: Okay. |
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| 19:23.58 | tull | thanks guys. see you in an hour. ;) |
| 19:23.59 | jelly-ho | are there any laptops with 1280x1024 (1280x960) resolution? |
| 19:24.08 | OfficeChair | jelly-ho: Yes. |
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| 19:24.13 | jadrifter | nkuttler we can discuss your feelings later. Now I need tech info. |
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| 19:24.55 | OfficeChair | jelly-ho: Newer laptops that aren't budget machines will have higher than 1024x768 resolution. |
| 19:24.55 | jelly-ho | OfficeChair: pretty please point me in the right direction |
| 19:25.01 | nkuttler | jadrifter: *plonk* |
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| 19:25.23 | OfficeChair | jelly-ho: IBM Thinkpads, Powerbooks, Toshibas are good |
| 19:25.34 | blondie | my laptop has 1400x1050 |
| 19:25.44 | rublind | OfficeChair: do you know how to set up sound on an old IBM thinkpad? |
| 19:25.57 | shingouz | rublind: what thinkpad? |
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| 19:26.08 | rublind | shingouz: 570E |
| 19:26.13 | OfficeChair | rublind: I have done it on several Thinkpads |
| 19:26.30 | shingouz | rublind: crystal audio? |
| 19:26.30 | rublind | OfficeChair, I don't think mine is working... |
| 19:26.31 | OfficeChair | rublind: You should be able to just apt-get install alsa-base and then do alsaconf |
| 19:26.45 | rublind | shingouz: beats me, OfficeChair: okay. |
| 19:26.47 | jelly-ho | OfficeChair: nuh-uh, 1400x1050 has too little pixels for my short-sighted eyes. I know there's WXGA 1280x800, but I was specifically looking if there's a resolution between 1024x768 and 1400x1050. |
| 19:27.00 | arsen | 1366 |
| 19:27.00 | jelly-ho | 4:3 aspect ratio. |
| 19:27.01 | shingouz | rublind: what kernel you have there? |
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| 19:27.13 | OfficeChair | jelly-ho: Look for a specific resolution then, Google around, check ebay. |
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| 19:27.20 | augi01 | shingouz: Here's what happens: augi01@M275X:~$ ping -c 3 www.google.com |
| 19:27.22 | augi01 | ping: unknown host www.google.com |
| 19:27.24 | augi01 | augi01@M275X:~$ |
| 19:27.24 | OfficeChair | rublind: Make sure you have the ALSA modules for your specific kernel. |
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| 19:27.30 | rublind | shingouz: 2.4 I think |
| 19:27.36 | shingouz | augi01: your resolv.conf is screwed |
| 19:27.44 | augi01 | Alright, how do I fix that? |
| 19:27.46 | shingouz | rublind: uname -a tells you the version |
| 19:27.48 | arsen | anyone point or quickly guide me to howto upgrade kernel?:x deb used to make it easy to just apt-get install kernel-image-blah |
| 19:27.49 | rublind | OfficeChair: how would I check that? |
| 19:28.03 | shingouz | augi01: check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:28.03 | OfficeChair | rublind: If you installed a kernel (Linux) image (package), you probably already have the ALSA modules. |
| 19:28.04 | roxman | hi maybe is someone here who talkin in polish ? |
| 19:28.08 | fbhjr | google "comile kernel the debian way" |
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| 19:28.14 | shingouz | !pl |
| 19:28.14 | dpkg | i heard pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 19:28.21 | rublind | shingouz: 2.4.27-2-686 |
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| 19:28.27 | roxman | i am lookin little help in patch debian :) |
| 19:28.32 | rublind | OfficeChair: okay, then how would I go about fixing this ? |
| 19:28.41 | shingouz | rublind: first install the alsa-modules for that specific kernel with apt-get |
| 19:28.42 | OfficeChair | rublind: rublind Did you apt-get install alsa-base yet? |
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| 19:28.49 | prock | does anyone know how to disable encryption in ssh beyond the authentication process? |
| 19:28.54 | rublind | OfficeChair: oh, hah, no. My bad. |
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| 19:29.16 | augi01 | shingouz: Should I PM you my resolv.conf? |
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| 19:29.34 | shingouz | rublind: either install the alsa modules and alsa-base or go to a 2.6 and just get the alsa-base |
| 19:29.37 | shingouz | augi01: no |
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| 19:29.46 | augi01 | Paste it here then? |
| 19:29.55 | shingouz | augi01: in #flood |
| 19:29.56 | rublind | OfficeChair, shingouz: I apt-got alsa-base |
| 19:29.59 | hesco | Morning all. |
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| 19:30.00 | augi01 | Ok. |
| 19:30.18 | OfficeChair | rublind: When I installed kernel (Linux) image 2.6.15 from backports via apt-get, the ALSA modules were included. |
| 19:30.32 | OfficeChair | rublind: Okay, now try alsaconf |
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| 19:30.34 | wing | in debian, is there any special trick to enable hebrew input in scim or the m17n library? |
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| 19:30.40 | shingouz | rublind: you need the alsa modules too. for a 2.4 they are a separate package, for 2.6 they are in the main kernel tree |
| 19:30.41 | gnufan | pan in unstable -- doesn't show me any articles as of most recent update? Anyone else have this, fixed this. |
| 19:30.47 | hesco | I broke apt-get. Can anyone here help me with that, please? |
| 19:30.52 | OfficeChair | rublind: If it complains about not having any modules, you'll need to get ALSA modules for your kernel |
| 19:31.01 | OfficeChair | hesco: Be more specific, please. |
| 19:31.01 | gnufan | hesco: just explain the problem |
| 19:31.01 | rublind | OfficeChair: didn't work. Shingouz: how would I get them? apt-get install alsa-modules ? |
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| 19:31.12 | shingouz | augi01: try pinging one of the nameservers with the ip |
| 19:31.13 | OfficeChair | hesco: If you can't, a reinstall will work. |
| 19:31.19 | OfficeChair | rublind: Yes. |
| 19:31.28 | OfficeChair | rublind: apt-get install alsa-modules |
| 19:31.36 | shingouz | rublind: yes. or go from the 2.4 to a 2.6, the modules are in the main kernel tre |
| 19:31.37 | OfficeChair | rublind: Is this kernel 2.4.26? |
| 19:31.39 | shingouz | tree even |
| 19:31.40 | jadrifter | apt question: How can I get a list of programs that will be upgraded if I give the upgrade command? |
| 19:31.56 | rublind | OfficeChair, yeah, it's an older kernel. |
| 19:31.59 | gnufan | jadrifter: -s is dry run -- apt-get -s upgrade |
| 19:32.04 | _keroppi_ | jadrifter: apt-get update && apt-get --dry-run dist-upgrade |
| 19:32.10 | augi01 | shingouz: I should probably make clear that eth0 is my Ethernet cable and eth1 (which seems to be non-existant) is my wireless card. |
| 19:32.13 | multi_io | how do you find out the installed version of a package? |
| 19:32.15 | rublind | shingouz, officechair: couldn't find package alsa-modules |
| 19:32.22 | _keroppi_ | multi_io: dpkg -l package |
| 19:32.24 | OfficeChair | rublind: I always upgrade to a 2.6ish kernel for ACPI support. |
| 19:32.31 | _keroppi_ | multi_io: Or if you're not sure, dpkg -l | grep substring |
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| 19:32.41 | shingouz | augi01: in that case, ifconfig -a first to see if the card is even seen |
| 19:32.42 | rublind | OfficeChair, I wanted to update my kernel, but I don't know how, I'm a big n00b in terms of linux. |
| 19:32.42 | _keroppi_ | multi_io: replace substring with an actual substring, of course |
| 19:32.42 | hesco | after running an apt-get upgrade, it is now hanging on 0% Waiting for headers message. |
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| 19:32.53 | _keroppi_ | No Xorg 7.0 packages for Debian yet, I guess? |
| 19:32.56 | OfficeChair | rublind: You should start using apt-cache search |
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| 19:33.05 | rublind | OfficeChair, maybe... |
| 19:33.06 | multi_io | _keroppi_: thanks |
| 19:33.13 | shingouz | rublind: apt-get install linux-image-<whatever version you want>, reboot |
| 19:33.13 | gnufan | hesco: does apt-get update work? |
| 19:33.16 | jelly-ho | _keroppi_: wtf, I've just install 6.9.x the other day? |
| 19:33.17 | OfficeChair | rublind: Do an apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 19:33.26 | hesco | I had edited sources.list to include a testing archive. |
| 19:33.30 | OfficeChair | (Or linux-image) |
| 19:33.33 | rublind | OfficeChair, shingouz: okay, thank you. |
| 19:33.38 | hesco | yes, update, works. upgrade hangs. |
| 19:33.41 | jadrifter | WOO HOO! Thanks gnufan and _keroppi, the -s switch wasn't in my version of the man pages! |
| 19:33.44 | OfficeChair | 2.6.8 will probably work for you. |
| 19:33.45 | _keroppi_ | jelly: There's no difference between the two other than xorg 7 is modular, instead of one big package. So you can update individual drivers |
| 19:33.53 | arsen | shingouz i did apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7, it worked fine, rebooted, im till on 2.6.12-1-386 ?:s |
| 19:33.53 | _keroppi_ | jadrifter: Woah, get some new manpages |
| 19:34.03 | rublind | OfficeChair, okay thank you. |
| 19:34.03 | nuambenzina | well i did a apt-get -t testing upgrade/dist-upgrade and from 1.7 i have now 2.5~ , my X dosen`t start... gdm... and I have KDE there |
| 19:34.08 | _keroppi_ | jelly-ho: There's no difference between the two other than xorg 7 is modular, instead of one big package. So you can update individual drivers |
| 19:34.20 | _keroppi_ | jelly-ho: It's needed for the new wicked xgl and compiz stuff |
| 19:34.27 | nuambenzina | is this NORMAL ?! |
| 19:34.33 | rublind | OfficeChair: I don't see 2.6.8, I see 2.6.15 |
| 19:34.35 | jadrifter | _keroppi_ you're right. I'm bouncing between the servers and this one is still runnning FC1. |
| 19:34.37 | OfficeChair | For my Toshiba laptop, I have to use 2.6.15 from backports to get ACPI suspend to memory working. |
| 19:34.37 | _keroppi_ | Does anyone have Xorg 7.0 on debian? |
| 19:34.51 | OfficeChair | rublind: 2.6.15 should be fine. |
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| 19:35.00 | rublind | Okay. |
| 19:35.05 | OfficeChair | rublind: Are you using Etch? |
| 19:35.09 | gnufan | hesco: have you trued undoing the sources.list change to see if that is definitely the culprit |
| 19:35.10 | hesco | gnufan: yes, update works, upgrade does not. I edited sources.list to include a testing archive with the stable so I could upgrade amsn for my partner's grand daughter |
| 19:35.11 | nuambenzina | _keroppi_ you don`t wish xorg 7.0 y wish xorg 6.9 |
| 19:35.18 | shingouz | augi01: ifdown eth0; ifup eth1; ping ip.add.re.ss; ping www.google.com |
| 19:35.31 | augi01 | Ok. |
| 19:35.32 | OfficeChair | rublind: On Sarge you have to use backports to get 2.6.15. |
| 19:35.40 | hesco | I did undo that change. commented it out. reran update successfully, then upgrade hangs. |
| 19:35.42 | rublind | OfficeChair: yeah, etch. |
| 19:35.47 | _keroppi_ | nuambenzina: I don't understand what you're saying... |
| 19:35.48 | arsen | OfficeChair any idea why my apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 worked (ie if i run it now it says its the latest version) but rebooting didnt give me the image option in grub, and uname -r gives 2.6.12-1-386 |
| 19:35.50 | OfficeChair | rublind: You probably have Etch, so apt-get install <that kernel> |
| 19:35.50 | hesco | gufan: that was for you |
| 19:36.05 | rublind | OfficeChair, okay, will it also fix grub for me? |
| 19:36.15 | Silent_al | !beer nuambenzina . :) |
| 19:36.26 | OfficeChair | arsen: Hmm, /boot/grub/menu.lst didn't get updated? |
| 19:36.30 | Quibus | cahoot: I also installed the one from sarge |
| 19:36.35 | arsen | im guessing not |
| 19:36.38 | OfficeChair | arsen: Look at /boot/grub/menu.lst to see. |
| 19:36.46 | hesco | gnufan: I had tried to apt-get -i testing install amsn, that is where it started. |
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| 19:36.59 | nuambenzina | _keroppi_ i`m sayng that is the same thing. I wished to switch on xorg 7.0 on freeBSD machine but the guru guys told me that i don`t wish xorg 7.0, i wish 6.9 it`s the same thing |
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| 19:37.18 | _keroppi_ | nuambenzina: Do you mean "want" instead of "wish"? |
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| 19:37.44 | Quibus | cahoot: unfortunately this blocks some other packages |
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| 19:37.44 | hesco | gnufan: In the past I had either a stable or a testing system. I had never tried to mix them before. |
| 19:37.44 | OfficeChair | arsen: Make sure you have the initrd image (if applicable) and the kernel in /boot |
| 19:37.44 | nuambenzina | my advice is to relax if xorg6.9 is working |
| 19:37.44 | arsen | OfficeChair i still only have the option for 2.6.12-1-386 |
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| 19:37.44 | _keroppi_ | nuambenzina: I actually need xorg 7.0 to get xgl working, though |
| 19:37.44 | gnufan | hesco: ah so you installed stuff from testing, and removed it from sources.list ? Hmm wouldn't expect a hang, but it is probably safer to leave the sources.list entries in, and using pinning. |
| 19:37.44 | Twist | hi everybody |
| 19:37.44 | OfficeChair | rublind: It should. |
| 19:37.50 | _keroppi_ | Does anyone have xgl working? |
| 19:37.52 | nuambenzina | yeah yeah |
| 19:37.59 | rublind | Officechair: okay thank you. You seem to be overworked. |
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| 19:38.11 | deadcat | _keroppi_: no. wait for 1 year for it to hit debian |
| 19:38.14 | OfficeChair | rublind: On Sarge when I went to 2.6.15 it fied grub's menu.lst. I always tweak it myself though. :) |
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| 19:38.27 | fir3st0rm | hi |
| 19:38.29 | valdyn | !xgl |
| 19:38.31 | raf256[laptop] | XGL is for debian already? |
| 19:38.31 | _keroppi_ | deadcat: It should be on experimental soon |
| 19:38.34 | PhantmShado | can anyone PLEASE help me set up european fonts(polish especially) for locale en_US.UTF-8? (been all around the web already and am a tad crazed) |
| 19:38.37 | rublind | OfficeChair: what kind of tweaks, anything I may find of interest, or useful? |
| 19:38.38 | _keroppi_ | raf256[laptop]: No, not yet |
| 19:38.39 | deadcat | _keroppi_: i hope so too. |
| 19:38.46 | hesco | gnufan: I had hoped to track the changes with future upgrades, not to have to update the pin configuration everytime and upgrade comes along. |
| 19:38.51 | _keroppi_ | deadcat: gravityboy.livejournal.com |
| 19:38.52 | deadcat | _keroppi_: hows Xgl diff from X and xorg? |
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| 19:38.56 | deadcat | _keroppi_: cool (= |
| 19:39.01 | _keroppi_ | deadcat: Oh man, it's amazing |
| 19:39.06 | OfficeChair | rublind: Nah, this is a break from dealing with pesky eBay buyers asking if my laptops support (insert Windows app here). |
| 19:39.06 | raf256[laptop] | deadcat: its ass kicking fast |
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| 19:39.14 | raf256[laptop] | deadcat: uses opengl to draw GUI |
| 19:39.15 | deadcat | _keroppi_: ya. seen the demo. i wet my pants (= |
| 19:39.20 | hesco | gnufan: This is my first attempt to run a mixed system. |
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| 19:39.23 | OfficeChair | rublind: vga=791 :) |
| 19:39.26 | dsl845 | hey |
| 19:39.30 | deadcat | raf256[laptop]: wow. fast too? thats what i want hehe |
| 19:39.38 | _keroppi_ | deadcat: My friend has it working here at work |
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| 19:39.41 | deadcat | raf256[laptop]: its still gonna be xorg right? |
| 19:39.44 | dsl845 | am installing debian 3.1 |
| 19:39.46 | rublind | OfficeChair: hah, well, that's better, what does vga=791 do? Prettier start up screen? |
| 19:39.47 | OfficeChair | rublind: Gives a nice 1024x768 console at 16-bit. :) |
| 19:39.47 | _keroppi_ | deadcat: It's absolutely amazing, and faster than OS X stuff |
| 19:39.51 | deadcat | _keroppi_: steel his machine (= |
| 19:39.53 | raf256[laptop] | deadcat: ytap :) but it should be stable/usable probably in months |
| 19:40.01 | dsl845 | but when it ccomes to partitionning it says no partitionnable media found |
| 19:40.04 | shingouz | augi01: your resolv.conf is screwed up for some reason |
| 19:40.07 | gnufan | hesco: I think beyond my ken to fix, other than perhaps going for the pinning config. You can pin indiviudal packages at a higher priority - that way you get the updates (well if the dependencies don't change). |
| 19:40.10 | rublind | OfficeChair: oh, well, I don't really need that, kde works fine (as far as I can tell) |
| 19:40.10 | arsen | OfficeChair if that is all in my /boot dir, shold i just add the image to menu.lst? |
| 19:40.14 | dsl845 | can anyone help me out? |
| 19:40.17 | fir3st0rm | my tvcard gets loaded with the wrong options |
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| 19:40.28 | augi01 | shingouz: Do you know how I can fix it? Or anywhere I can look for advice? |
| 19:40.31 | deadcat | raf256[laptop]: nice nice. i cant believe it. i thought it would take at least 1-2 years till it get to debian.. unstable (= |
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| 19:40.36 | OfficeChair | rublind: Also, you can get kernel sources and add a bootsplash patch to the kernel. |
| 19:40.51 | shingouz | augi01: the easiest way to fix it is to use an editor |
| 19:40.51 | jelly-ho | rublind: you'll get a free penguin on boot! :-) |
| 19:40.54 | cmatheson | i'm running a mail server w/ the courier-imap packages and filtering mail w/ maildrop. i can access the folders i'm filtering mail into if i do mutt -f Maildir/.Backup or whatever, but if I try to access it from home using thunderbird or mutt, i get a 'Mailbox does not exist or must be subscribed to." error. I've tried hitting 's' to subscribe in mutt, but no luck... any ideas? |
| 19:40.57 | gnufan | hesco: not that I do any pinning.... I did some today to downgrade from "Sarge with Etch installer" to "Sarge" |
| 19:41.02 | OfficeChair | rublind: Err, it is while you are booting Linux and before XDM (login) starts. |
| 19:41.04 | rublind | I want a penguin on boot... how! |
| 19:41.14 | deadcat | raf256[laptop]: so xgl is replacing xorg or X? i am kinna confuseds. since Xgl is x server, so is xorg but it still seems to require to modify xorg.conf |
| 19:41.15 | jelly-ho | rublind: and dog slow console, but who cares... |
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| 19:41.21 | rublind | OfficeChair: yeah, I figured. |
| 19:41.21 | fir3st0rm | the hw detection uses saa7134 card=12 but i need saa7134 card=4 |
| 19:41.23 | OfficeChair | arsen: Sure, but make sure you know what you are doing. |
| 19:41.31 | augi01 | shingouz: Any suggestions on what I should add to the resolv.conf in order to get my wireless working? |
| 19:41.35 | raf256[laptop] | deadcat: I think XGL is replacement for xorg |
| 19:41.37 | gnufan | rublind: there is a lot of documentation on howto do a GRUB splash screen |
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| 19:41.39 | OfficeChair | arsen: Keep the entry to your old kernel in case something goes wrong. |
| 19:41.40 | hesco | gnufan: sounds like a great plan, but my immediate issue is getting the upgrade to stop hanging so I can perform any apt-get function at all. Any ideas how to get past this immediaet issue? |
| 19:41.41 | rublind | Alright, kernel is installed, time to reboot. Be back shortly (hopefully) |
| 19:41.43 | arsen | yeah ;) |
| 19:41.49 | cmatheson | raf256[laptop]: xgl is just a server |
| 19:41.53 | Silent_al | _keroppi_, u can get xgl working on the developing version of ubuntu ( 6.04) |
| 19:41.56 | _keroppi_ | I think I'm going to install ubuntu tonight to get it working |
| 19:41.59 | arsen | i may just attempt to do my own kernel though, i want to get a framebuffer & nvidia graphics installed |
| 19:42.03 | _keroppi_ | Silent_al: Yeah, gonna do that tonight. =) |
| 19:42.05 | shingouz | augi01: you need at least one working nameserver there, try the same ones you have working with your wired connection |
| 19:42.09 | _keroppi_ | It also works on gentoo |
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| 19:42.14 | valdyn | deadcat: xgl is a specific X Server that is now also part of xorg that renders to OpenGL |
| 19:42.18 | dsl845 | someone PLEASE help! |
| 19:42.22 | dsl845 | am installing debian 3.1 |
| 19:42.24 | dubis | hello |
| 19:42.24 | dsl845 | but when it ccomes to partitionning it says no partitionnable media found |
| 19:42.28 | OfficeChair | arsen: Framebuffer works with the Debian 2.6.15 kernel image |
| 19:42.29 | nuambenzina | why people confuse debian with ub00nt00 ? |
| 19:42.32 | deadcat | valdyn: ok. so i dont have to change anything then |
| 19:42.37 | augi01 | shingouz: Ok, thanks for your help. |
| 19:42.39 | arsen | by default? |
| 19:42.40 | OfficeChair | arsen: Just add vga=791 (or whatever you wish.) |
| 19:42.41 | fbhjr | is the cfq scheduler a good choice for a P4 1.6GHz laptop? |
| 19:42.43 | shingouz | dsl845: ide, scsi, sata? |
| 19:42.43 | Peterken | Hello all, I'm searching for the package what contains 'ligpq++.h', but i can't find it. Can someone tell me in what package i can find that file? (or how to search for it) |
| 19:42.44 | arsen | ah |
| 19:42.54 | deadcat | nuambenzina: must be the weird names they both have (= |
| 19:42.56 | dsl845 | shingouz, ide |
| 19:43.02 | nuambenzina | :)) |
| 19:43.07 | justin | !tell Peterken about search |
| 19:43.07 | fbhjr | apt-file |
| 19:43.17 | hesco | ds1845: sounds like a hardware issue. Is one attached. Is the cable good? Is the power connected to the drive? Is the drive known to work? |
| 19:43.21 | _keroppi_ | Silent_al: Where do I get this developer version of ubuntu? |
| 19:43.22 | OfficeChair | arsen: You may need to recompile to get nVidia working, I don't know, I havn |
| 19:43.24 | gnufan | hesco: uninstall amsn maybe? Also might try backing up sources.list and run apt-setup -- trust the machine to edit it right ;) |
| 19:43.27 | arsen | so i need to get source, then make menuconfig (what dir do i do that in?) and just add the stuffs |
| 19:43.35 | _keroppi_ | Silent_al: Is it a release branch, like "woody" or "sid", for ubuntu? |
| 19:43.41 | shingouz | dsl845: are the drives seen in the first place? go into a console and hit the suspected drive with cfdisk |
| 19:43.42 | OfficeChair | arsen: Just get the kernel-source with apt-get for 2.6.15. |
| 19:43.45 | Silent_al | _keroppi_ , yep |
| 19:43.51 | fbhjr | arsen: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 19:43.51 | dsl845 | I have windows XP running |
| 19:44.01 | OfficeChair | arsen: And of course, kernel package so you can use make-kpkg. |
| 19:44.03 | hesco | gnufan: Don't know about apt-setup. I'll go read the man page. |
| 19:44.04 | Peterken | justin: yes i know that, but when i install all packages when i search for apt-cache search libpq++ but the file libpq++.h is not located on my hard drive |
| 19:44.06 | Silent_al | _keroppi_, you can install breezy and do a dist- upgrade |
| 19:44.07 | arsen | ah |
| 19:44.12 | _keroppi_ | Silent_al: Excellent |
| 19:44.15 | arsen | dont think ive used make-kpkg |
| 19:44.16 | justin | Peterken: try actually reading the factoid |
| 19:44.25 | dsl845 | but i can't find the hd |
| 19:44.29 | nuambenzina | _keroppi_ www.distrowatch.com |
| 19:44.32 | dsl845 | with fdisk -l |
| 19:44.34 | gnufan | hesco: it just writes sources.list for you... Just helps if you made a typo somewhere... |
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| 19:45.43 | Silent_al | _keroppi_, of course you have to change sources.list , replace breezy with the new name |
| 19:45.44 | Peterken | justin: :p ok sorry, was a little bit to fast |
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| 19:45.44 | shingouz | dsl845: well, you must have linux running to see if the drives are there under linux. open a terminal in the installer and hit the drive with cfdisk, do the partitioning there, then back to the installer and let the installer go on |
| 19:45.44 | _keroppi_ | Silent_al: What's the name of the release? |
| 19:45.44 | dsl845 | that's wut am tryin to do |
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| 19:45.44 | linuser | hi |
| 19:45.51 | linuser | linux-image-2.6.14 doesn't exist anymore ? |
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| 19:46.07 | dsl845 | with cfdisk and fdisk but i can't find it and fdisk -l won't display a thing (i thought of partitionning from dsl on which i'm on now) |
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| 19:46.22 | Silent_al | _keroppi_ Dapper Drake |
| 19:46.31 | deadcat | raf256[laptop]: will xgl and all those fancy eye-candies work with openbox? |
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| 19:46.53 | shingouz | dsl845: for the master on the primary ide, cfdisk /dev/hda should do it |
| 19:47.11 | gnufan | dsl845: is it a sata disk? |
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| 19:47.52 | hesco | gnufan: ok, apt-setup is now running update for me. we'll see soon. |
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| 19:48.10 | Seldon1975 | hey all |
| 19:48.10 | w32 | I'm having some trouble I asked this in #ubuntu but no one knows, the howto is the same for debian sarge so i thought someone here might be able to enlighten me I' m following the tutorial at http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.10_p6 and at the end of the setup I get ths error any one know what I can do or where to look to fix it here's the error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8979 when I run ./setup (for ISPConfig) |
| 19:48.34 | Seldon1975 | I just bought a Centrino Duo dual-core laptop from Dell - will Debian Sarge properly use both cores? |
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| 19:48.47 | deadcat | the expose feature in Xgl is what i really want. (= i cant stand going through all the windows one by one.. and skippy is the worst software i've ever used... |
| 19:49.08 | abrotman | w32: ask #ubuntu |
| 19:49.14 | Ronin | w32: we dont support ubuntu |
| 19:49.57 | hesco | gnufan: ok. I ran apt-setup, then update, then upgrade and now I'm back to 0% [Waiting on headers.] |
| 19:49.57 | deadcat | w32: we also dont support communism |
| 19:49.57 | shingouz | Seldon1975: at least with an smp kernel it should |
| 19:49.57 | w32 | abortman: they don't have a friggin clue- the setup steps are the same for debian sarge and it did the same thing when I did it on debian |
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| 19:50.07 | strider | skippy is really limited, though KDE has a good one - kompose |
| 19:50.09 | Seldon1975 | shingouz: is that default? |
| 19:50.09 | deadcat | w32: maybe you should use debian then |
| 19:50.11 | abrotman | w32: either install debian or go to #ubuntu .. this is not negotiable |
| 19:50.19 | shingouz | Seldon1975: it is if you install one |
| 19:50.21 | hesco | gnufan: If I'm using the http protocol isn't everything happening on port 80? |
| 19:50.22 | Ether_Man | w32: we still dont support ubuntu.. |
| 19:50.42 | w32 | abortman: that's what I'm saying it does the same thing on Sarge |
| 19:50.45 | deadcat | strider: thats what i heard too. but i dont use kde so i just wait for the feature in Xgl. i agree with you on skippy... i want to kick the developer's ass |
| 19:50.57 | w32 | is it possible that my HDD is failing ? |
| 19:50.59 | abrotman | w32: install sarge .. then come back . at this point noone here will help you |
| 19:51.01 | azeem | w32: well, if it does the same thing on sarge, but fails on Ubuntu, Ubuntu must be different |
| 19:51.11 | hesco | gnufan: Could there possibly be some firewall issue, either at the router or on the local box which might interfere with apt-get if port 80 is open and flowing? |
| 19:51.16 | gnufan | hesco: is the net connection working, have you tried a different mirror -- yes HTTP port 80 by default, and you can simulate it with telnet on a good day |
| 19:51.19 | Ether_Man | w32: Even if it does act the same.. we STILL dont support it.. |
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| 19:51.53 | azeem | we don't support it officially, people in here are free to help of course |
| 19:52.02 | azeem | but you cannot expect an answer |
| 19:52.09 | hesco | gnufan: this is a different mirror. I'll try another. |
| 19:52.10 | rublind | OfficeChair, so when I rebooted, my internet no longer works, and I'm not sure my sound works either. |
| 19:52.21 | strider | deadcat: yes, shouldn't be long before Xorg 7 is in experimental and then probably packages for Xgl and Compiz might be available |
| 19:52.31 | Seldon1975 | shingouz: does that mean I have to install the SMP kernel _after_ going through the normal Debian install; or can I choose it _during_ install? |
| 19:52.34 | hesco | gnufan: my user has reported no issues with web access on her box. |
| 19:52.39 | w32 | thanks |
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| 19:52.42 | gnufan | hesco: I think in that case -- probably better to make sure you can actually access one of the mirrors, or surf in general |
| 19:53.13 | cr3 | I can't umount a device (cdrom) because it is apparently used and fuser doesn't return the pid that is using it. linux seems broken. |
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| 19:53.26 | shingouz | Seldon1975: either way. personally i would install with pretty much any kernel that lets the system install, then hack the hell out of the system for speed. install an smp kernel etc... |
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| 19:53.31 | hesco | gnufan: lynx debian.org resolves from her box. |
| 19:53.40 | deadcat | strider: ya.. hope less than 1 month. (= i wonder how good my 800mhz p3 with a nvidia card will play.. but i am not expecting too much on the 800mhz ibook with ati card though.. nice if that works too but it IS ati (= |
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| 19:53.58 | liran | i got 2 identical scsi hds on my server, i want to use the 2nd one as a backup but im not sure that it's currently NOT a backup... is there a way to make sure? |
| 19:54.00 | cr3 | does linux break down when a mounted device is borked? |
| 19:54.01 | Seldon1975 | shingouz: ok that sounds cool. When you say 'etc', what other steps can I take to hack the system for max speed? |
| 19:54.01 | rublind | Does anyone know how to configure a wireless card (pcmcia) on a laptop (kde) ? |
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| 19:54.16 | liran | rublind, is it centrino? |
| 19:54.27 | rublind | liran: no, PII 500 mHz. |
| 19:54.30 | gnufan | hesco: apt-get clean (running out of ideas) |
| 19:54.34 | shingouz | Seldon1975: i do not know, depends on what you want to do with it. google ;) |
| 19:54.41 | liran | rublind, which card is it? |
| 19:54.47 | OfficeChair | rublind: Hmm |
| 19:54.49 | rublind | liran: it's a cisco card. |
| 19:54.56 | Smerdy | I want to find a .deb for the previous version of xserver-xorg from testing. What's the best way to do that? |
| 19:54.57 | Sonny | hi, I have 2 soundcards installed, with alsaconf I configure the audigy, but when I reboot appears configured the intel's, why? |
| 19:54.58 | lazzarello | deadcat, I couldn't play back a DVD on a 500mhz powerbook but a P III 400 with xv could. |
| 19:55.02 | OfficeChair | rublind: What does ifconfig -a say? |
| 19:55.04 | liran | rublind, ok, did you check if it's module was already loaded? |
| 19:55.07 | strider | deadcat: heh, i stopped using fglrx because of composite and the R300 drivers work great! Now i hear fglrx is recommended for Xgl |
| 19:55.07 | Seldon1975 | shingouz: k, thx |
| 19:55.18 | OfficeChair | rublind: Maybe the new kernel doesn't have support for your ethernet adapter? |
| 19:55.20 | liran | lazzarello, whats xv? |
| 19:55.23 | rublind | OfficeChair: what specifically? |
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| 19:55.43 | hesco | gnufan: what is the short take on what clean does? Or should I read the man page on this one? |
| 19:55.44 | rublind | OfficeChair: that can't be it, the older kernel supports it, but not the new one? |
| 19:55.50 | shingouz | rublind: what wireless card you have there? |
| 19:55.51 | lazzarello | !tell liran about xv |
| 19:55.54 | OfficeChair | rublind: Do you see anything like eth0 in ifconfig -a? |
| 19:55.55 | Smerdy | Where can I find old versions of Debian packages? |
| 19:55.55 | deadcat | lazzarello: ya. radeon driver for ati card is not that fancy. |
| 19:55.57 | liran | rublind, the card... check if you have some entry in ifconfig that you haven't seen before |
| 19:55.58 | rublind | shingouz: it's a cisco |
| 19:56.05 | liran | Smerdy, backports.org |
| 19:56.06 | gnufan | hesco: removed cached packages -- just tidying up |
| 19:56.06 | rublind | OfficeChair, liran: yes, eth0 is there. |
| 19:56.16 | OfficeChair | rublind: Then it is support. |
| 19:56.19 | deadcat | strider: no fglrx for ppc. only radeon |
| 19:56.25 | lazzarello | deadcat, I'm rather liking the nv driver for nvidia cards. I got it to spit out 720p :) |
| 19:56.28 | liran | rublind, does it look like an ordinary card or wireless? |
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| 19:56.44 | hesco | gnufan: ok. now trying my third mirror. ok, enough |
| 19:56.46 | rublind | liran: uh... good question, I dont' know, but ifconfig has a wif0 too, so...? |
| 19:56.59 | rublind | wifi0* |
| 19:57.08 | shingouz | rublind: ifup wifi0, see what happens |
| 19:57.15 | liran | rublind, you're not telling us everything then. if it has a wifi0 then that's a good thing :P |
| 19:57.28 | deadcat | lazzarello: nv driver cant do opengl stuff right? and i know nv cant do dual monitor |
| 19:57.30 | rublind | shingouz: "ignoring unknown interface wifi0=wifi0" |
| 19:57.33 | OfficeChair | rublind: If this is wireless, I can't really help you. I still use wired for the speed. |
| 19:57.39 | Smerdy | liran, I don't see any xserver-xorg there. :( |
| 19:57.40 | strider | ah, that's bad. Anyway, Yay for open source ;) |
| 19:57.52 | lazzarello | deadcat, no 3d. no dual monitor. you have to go proprietary for that. |
| 19:57.55 | rublind | OfficeChair: oh, well this thing doens't have a ethernet jack (that's how old it is), so I'm stuck with wireless. |
| 19:57.59 | liran | Smerdy, xorg is in the newer dists, not the old ones. |
| 19:57.59 | hesco | gnufan: apt-get clean opened the floodgates again. Thanks for that. |
| 19:58.13 | rublind | liran: okay, well it has a wifi0. :) |
| 19:58.20 | Smerdy | liran, I need the xserver-xorg .deb that was in testing before the current package in testing. |
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| 19:58.29 | liran | rublind, is your wireless button on the laptop lit? (if it has one) |
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| 19:58.31 | OfficeChair | rublind: PCMCIA or USB ethernet adapter :) |
| 19:58.36 | lazzarello | deadcat, and don't trust the x.org changelogs for open source radeon 3d support. |
| 19:58.40 | deadcat | lazzarello: ya.. nv is pretty good if you dont need 3d, dualhead. but i kinna want both (=. and Xgl requires nvidia anyway. |
| 19:58.43 | shingouz | rublind: how about checking what chipset you have on the card, cardctl info should do it |
| 19:58.45 | rublind | OfficeChair: hah, too much money to waste. |
| 19:58.48 | hesco | gnufan: Now at least I can get the old version of amsn installed before she gets home from school. 14 year olds can make demanding users. |
| 19:58.54 | OfficeChair | rublind: Is it a 32-bit PCMCIA (CardBus) wireless card |
| 19:58.56 | jelly-ho | !tell Smerdy about snapshot |
| 19:59.10 | rublind | OfficeChair, shingouz, liran: I did ifup eth0 and now it works. :) Thanks. |
| 19:59.19 | deadcat | lazzarello: ya. its pretty crappy. although theres claim that the /etc/dri.conf file was a help in performance but i dont see it. |
| 19:59.20 | shingouz | rublind: excellent |
| 19:59.23 | OfficeChair | rublind: Good to hear. :) |
| 19:59.32 | OfficeChair | rublind: Enjoy Debian Etch. :) |
| 19:59.34 | liran | rublind, great. |
| 19:59.40 | gnufan | hesco: the apt-howto covered mixed systems |
| 19:59.40 | rublind | OfficeChair: hah, no to get sound working. |
| 19:59.46 | shingouz | rublind: now that you have the network running, you could try alsaconf :p |
| 19:59.58 | rublind | shingouz: hah, alright. |
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| 20:00.16 | Silent_al | liran, me hamatzav? :D |
| 20:00.19 | Silent_al | ma |
| 20:00.29 | liran | Silent_al, all good. |
| 20:00.33 | gnufan | hesco: I think somehow you got corrupt package in the cache - it can happen if you interrupt "apt" allegedly, but I've never seen it. |
| 20:00.37 | liran | Silent_al, you? |
| 20:00.43 | gnufan | hesco: you weren't out of disk space?! |
| 20:01.00 | Smerdy | jelly-ho, that looks promising, but I get a bad link from search results to where I might find the .deb. :( |
| 20:01.05 | Silent_al | fine thanx :) nice to see another israeli here |
| 20:01.13 | liran | Silent_al, all the time :P |
| 20:01.27 | OfficeChair | rublind: Did you install alsa-base? |
| 20:01.32 | rublind | shingouz: it didn't find alsaconf, should I re-apt get alsa-base ? |
| 20:01.37 | rublind | OfficeChair: yeah, I did. |
| 20:01.43 | OfficeChair | rublind: Try again. |
| 20:01.47 | lazzarello | !tell rublind about alsa |
| 20:01.54 | rublind | OfficeChair: how do you upgrade with apt-get? |
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| 20:02.09 | rublind | OfficeChair: nevermind. |
| 20:02.12 | OfficeChair | You could do apt-get upgrade alsa-base |
| 20:02.23 | dvm1981 | I have resolved my problem to get the man pages in another language -> look at the 'locale' command and setting up the 'LANGUAGE' variable ex: 'LANGUAGE=nl_NL' and not the 'LANG=nl_NL' |
| 20:02.36 | rublind | OfficeChair: I reinstalled alsa-base and still no alsaconf |
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| 20:02.47 | dvm1981 | For the interesting people ... |
| 20:02.47 | OfficeChair | Ah, alsa-utils |
| 20:02.48 | strider | rublind: alsa-utils |
| 20:02.59 | rublind | strider: okay, thank you. |
| 20:03.09 | jelly-ho | Smerdy: if you remember the exact version, you could try browsing the http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/ directly. |
| 20:03.16 | OfficeChair | dvm1981: My German isn't good enough yet to switch locales. :) |
| 20:03.24 | deadcat | xcompgr and transset didnt even hit unstable from experimental and they are already soon to be useless. hahah. cant believe i waited so long for those 2 and now i am waiting for Xgl |
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| 20:03.56 | dvm1981 | OfficeChair: BTW. Dutch and the German are not the same languae :-/ |
| 20:04.20 | deadcat | this sounds really stupid : The following NEW packages will be installed: fontconfig-config |
| 20:04.21 | arsen | hm, attempting to install nvidia drivers into kernel, ive got the source etc, linked it, ran the nvidia installer, and it says it cant find the source version.h && therefore its likely i havent configured the kernel headers? any clues?:x |
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| 20:04.28 | dvm1981 | OfficeChair: But i understand ;-) |
| 20:04.35 | mortal | always nvidia and proprietary software :/ |
| 20:04.40 | user___ | hi, im looking for good hex editor in gtk2 |
| 20:04.50 | user___ | what would that be? |
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| 20:04.55 | lazzarello | !tell arsen nvidia one liner |
| 20:05.08 | lazzarello | !tell arsen about nvidia one liner |
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| 20:05.27 | arsen | ty :) |
| 20:05.34 | gnufan | dvm1981: hehe - I read a menu in Holland once using my very bad German, but I can't understand any spoken Dutch. |
| 20:05.40 | user___ | uhm, good hex editor in general? |
| 20:05.45 | Silent_al | arsen, you do need the kernel headers if you are usine the nvidia installer |
| 20:05.51 | arsen | i have them ;x |
| 20:05.52 | Seldon1975 | user___: ultraedit |
| 20:05.55 | Silent_al | using* |
| 20:06.07 | Seldon1975 | hee hee |
| 20:06.24 | chealer | !tell arsen about nvidia-installer |
| 20:06.45 | rublind | OfficeChair: I did alsaconf, but I don't know if it's working... it saw the proper sound card... |
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| 20:07.06 | user___ | okay |
| 20:07.13 | dvm1981 | gnufan: It's a derivated language or so, not sure. There are words that look +- the same, or with a bit difference. My native language are Dutch and understand nothing from the German language :-/ |
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| 20:07.15 | user___ | im looking for good hex editor for linux |
| 20:07.17 | hesco | gnufan: ok. I have /etc/apt/preferences configured to pin amsn at the version currently in testing, priority 990. Its running upgrade still. When that's complete, I'll reinstall amsn and see if I get a working instance of the new version. Thanks for that quick apt tutorial. I had missed clean and setup in my previous readings. Appreciate you rounding that out for me. |
| 20:07.18 | OfficeChair | rublind: See if alsamixer works |
| 20:07.21 | user___ | ultra |
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| 20:07.24 | lazzarello | rublind, cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 20:07.35 | user___ | edit isn't for linux as far as i can see? |
| 20:07.49 | rublind | OfficeChair: yeah, I see a mixer, but how do I test? (do ThinkPads even have speakers built in?) |
| 20:08.00 | shingouz | rublind: run alsamixer, check the levels, then try playing something with it. on a thinkpad Fn+PgUp/PgDn has some effect on the sound levels too |
| 20:08.19 | shingouz | rublind: iirc the 570E should have speakers |
| 20:08.32 | rublind | shingouz, okay. |
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| 20:08.51 | OfficeChair | rublind: rublind speaker-test |
| 20:09.09 | Silent_al | rublind, are you using gnome ? |
| 20:09.10 | gnufan | hesco: whats the demands for the latest AMSN for anyway? |
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| 20:09.16 | rublind | I'm using kde. |
| 20:09.20 | OfficeChair | 570E? That is an older machine. :) |
| 20:09.30 | OfficeChair | rublind: Does speaker-test work? |
| 20:09.31 | rublind | OfficeChair: I hear nothing. |
| 20:09.34 | Silent_al | rublind,oh . never mind :) |
| 20:09.35 | rublind | OfficeChair: yeah, really old. |
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| 20:09.57 | rublind | OfficeChair: in alsamixer, PC Speak in Item has [Off] written next to it. |
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| 20:10.03 | shingouz | rublind: hit the fn + pgup once or twice |
| 20:10.06 | OfficeChair | rublind: That isn't needed. |
| 20:10.08 | Keith-BlindUser | Hello, I had a question about Debian Linux that I don't believe is present in the F.A.Q. Does anyone here know if Debian supports the screen reading package for the blind called speakup in it's acutal distrobution? |
| 20:10.24 | Keith-BlindUser | actual* |
| 20:10.32 | rublind | shingouz, okay, done. OfficeChair: okay. |
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| 20:10.57 | OfficeChair | Keith-BlindUser: s/distrobution/distribution |
| 20:11.07 | OfficeChair | rublind: Any sound? |
| 20:11.10 | mortal | Keith-BlindUser: debian isn't linux |
| 20:11.17 | rublind | OfficeChair: with speaker-test, I get a lot of static, but that means it works. |
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| 20:11.29 | ogami1972 | hello all |
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| 20:11.39 | shingouz | Keith-BlindUser: looks like apt-cache search speakup does find at least some kernel modules for it |
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| 20:11.41 | OfficeChair | rublind: Err, speaker-test should play a sine wave |
| 20:11.44 | ogami1972 | am having trouble getting online |
| 20:11.53 | rublind | OfficeChair: I get static. |
| 20:12.19 | hesco | gnufan: some sort of new functionality. My server in the closet runs testing. Her machine runs stable. Her machine was down for a couple of days while we swapped a fan. She used mine and says there is some new features having something to do with pictures. Their website headlines webcam support in the new version, but since she doesn't have a webcam, I doubt that is it. But she got spoiled operating in my testing environment and now |
| 20:12.21 | shingouz | rublind: what sound module you using? lsmod | grep snd |
| 20:12.36 | OfficeChair | rublind: See if you can cat a WAV file to /dev/dsp |
| 20:12.44 | ogami1972 | i am using agnula, a debian branch- on a dell inspiron 3700- i see eth0 recognized at boot- but no luck afterwards |
| 20:12.50 | gnufan | Keith-BlindUser: the unstable version definitely has a patched kernel for speakup - but presumably that means it must be installed without speakup - and then the package installed - might be challenging if nothing else lets you read the screen during the install. |
| 20:12.55 | Keith-BlindUser | Witch is exactly what speakup would be. Speakup is a screen reader that works in console mode, and a user can install Debian through a text install by typing Linux speakup_synth=<synthKeyword> So: for a Braille 'N Speak or some other note-taker: Speakup_synth=bns. |
| 20:12.58 | rublind | shingouz: uh... I don't know, there are a few things, I think snd_cs46xx |
| 20:13.05 | rublind | OfficeChair: I don't have a WAV file. |
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| 20:13.10 | hesco | gnufan: I've never used the amsn client myself, using ksirc or bitchx when I need these tools. So I'm not sure what it is she does with this application. |
| 20:13.12 | OfficeChair | Keith-BlindUser: Just recompile your kernel with the the speakup patch. :) |
| 20:13.19 | strider | rublind: that's good. for more fun, try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 20:13.26 | ogami1972 | but no one is ever in the agnula channel |
| 20:13.35 | gnufan | hesco: I use GAIM for MSN messenger - but it isn't great |
| 20:13.43 | shingouz | rublind: it should work then, the thinkpad does have crystal chips for the sound |
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| 20:13.52 | azeem | ogami1972: isn't agnula discontinued |
| 20:13.53 | azeem | ? |
| 20:13.54 | rublind | shingouz: yeah, it does. |
| 20:13.58 | rublind | strider: I don't hear anything. |
| 20:14.15 | Keith-BlindUser | Of course--a hardware synthesizer would have to be connected to a serial port or something. Too bad Speakup doesn't yet support USB synthesizers, but the reason why a software synth couldn't be used to isntall Debian is mainly because the software synthesizers work in conjunction with other software. |
| 20:14.20 | OfficeChair | rublind: cat any file to /dev/dsp |
| 20:14.53 | rublind | OfficeChair: I don't hear anything,. |
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| 20:15.15 | hesco | gnufan: I had offered her gaim based on the hype. She kept insisting that we install windows for her. I told her I would do so if she produced licensed install media. It still comes up from time to time, but I think she has learned to use and appreciate the tools she does have. |
| 20:15.19 | lazzarello | I never got the point of those debian-based distros "for audio". everything "for audio" is in sarge. |
| 20:15.24 | vipersniper | how can if find out what channell a user is in if i no their nick |
| 20:15.44 | OfficeChair | rublind: Get a WAV off the World Wide Web. |
| 20:15.49 | Ronin | vipersniper: /whois but that doesn't always work |
| 20:15.58 | OfficeChair | lazzarello: Agreed. |
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| 20:15.59 | rublind | OfficeChair: not as easy as it sounds, but okay. |
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| 20:16.33 | lazzarello | it'd be funny to offer a "for audio" debian distro that was the sarge installer and a dselect --get-selections file :) |
| 20:16.43 | OfficeChair | lazzarello: I don't get the point of any of the Debian derivatives, except maybe a live CD. |
| 20:16.44 | vipersniper | Ronin, nope just says he's on freenode ;) |
| 20:16.49 | shingouz | rublind: of course, if you want to have your hair standing on end, you could cat /dev/random to the /dev/dsp but that will sound awful..... :P |
| 20:17.03 | Ronin | vipersniper: like i said doesnt always work as theres settings to get around that |
| 20:17.07 | shingouz | rublind: in other words: don't |
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| 20:17.09 | RedDrag0n | Hi, anybody know how to mount an NT share under debian? (I'm under a domain which works also as workgroup too, using an username and password, and I know the path in WIndows, but not in linux neither the commands)... someone knows? :) |
| 20:17.09 | rublind | shingouz: yeah, that didn't wor, so good thing. |
| 20:17.21 | lazzarello | !tell RedDrag0n about mount |
| 20:17.26 | blondie | RedDrag0n: mount -t cifs... |
| 20:17.27 | Keith-BlindUser | Debian sounds amazing-- of course, I'm wondering if the volenteers here are willing to help people that may have more questions then a regular sighted user? I happen to be completely blind- and have to rely on a screen reader, wich means that the only tool for me to use is the keyboared, and thus I may be slower at typing partickular commands-what with reviewing text, having to scrol, etc. |
| 20:17.28 | rublind | shingouz: aw, come on, who doesn't need a good wake up call... |
| 20:17.28 | blondie | or smbfs |
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| 20:17.33 | OfficeChair | rublind: altavista |
| 20:17.35 | vipersniper | Ronin, is there some other command |
| 20:17.43 | shingouz | RedDrag0n: smbmount |
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| 20:18.01 | lazzarello | Keith-BlindUser, debconf can use a plain text menu for a screen reader, AFAIK |
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| 20:18.09 | Keith-BlindUser | Being blind seems to have some advantages, but sometimes it can really suck. |
| 20:18.10 | shingouz | rublind: i know of nicer ways to wake up :) |
| 20:18.16 | dbehm | which package[s] should I install to being able to view chinese characters? |
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| 20:18.24 | rublind | shingouz: hah. OfficeSpace: okay, |
| 20:18.32 | blondie | RedDrag0n: no, //192.168.0.1/MP3 |
| 20:18.36 | gnufan | Keith-BlindUser: You should find plenty of help here. You found the blind linux list already I assume? |
| 20:18.40 | liran | RedDrag0n, smbmount //192.168.0.1/MP3 |
| 20:18.49 | OfficeChair | Keith-BlindUser: We are willing to help, but please don't try to use your blindness as an excuse. |
| 20:18.51 | Luftzig | what module to I need to load in order to use an ide cd-rw? |
| 20:18.54 | blondie | mount -t smbfs //192.168.0.1/MP3 /somewhere |
| 20:18.59 | shingouz | RedDrag0n: looks about right. smbmount or mount -t smbfs |
| 20:18.59 | blondie | is the simplest form |
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| 20:19.12 | liran | Luftzig, do you see the cdrom in dmesg? |
| 20:19.15 | Keith-BlindUser | Yeah. I've found some help--however |
| 20:19.33 | RedDrag0n | Hmmm okay I'll give it a try, thanks y'all :D |
| 20:20.04 | OfficeChair | Keith-BlindUser: I can't write, but I don't get upset about not being able to use writing recognition technology on tablet PCs. |
| 20:20.16 | Keith-BlindUser | I have found some distrobution channels where the people refuse to help-hardly eaven PM if I asked- and what not. Sometimes I find PM's to be easyer because just picture a speech synthesizer reading every message as it's received, and me having to review the messages while more keep coming on, etc. |
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| 20:20.26 | rublind | OfficeChair, cat <wav file> > /dev/dsp did not work. |
| 20:20.27 | lazzarello | OfficeChair, that cause writing recognition software sucks. all of it. |
| 20:20.45 | Sonny | hi, I have 2 soundcards: Intel's and Creative's, with alsaconf I configure the Audigy, but when I reboot appears configured the intel's, why? |
| 20:20.45 | OfficeChair | lazzarello: Yeah, I prefer a keyboard. |
| 20:20.52 | gnufan | OfficeChair: nobody can use those handwriting recognition things - I kept crashing one everytime I wrote an "n" weird. |
| 20:20.53 | zamaliphe | how to log the xchat2 in alog file |
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| 20:21.10 | Keith-BlindUser | It can be a serious issue talking in a public channel v.s query especially if I'm trying to look at the screen to review a command someone tels me to type, etc. Heh |
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| 20:21.33 | RedDrag0n | zamaliphe "Right click the chat window -> Window -> Save to Text..." I think |
| 20:22.05 | zamaliphe | but can i make it automatic ?? |
| 20:22.12 | Luftzig | liran, that's what I see in dmesg "hdc: ATAPI 52X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, (U)DMA |
| 20:22.14 | Luftzig | Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20" |
| 20:22.15 | chealer | Keith-BlindUser: PM are generally discouraged. but you have a point. just don't be surprised if people have a bad reaction when you didn't mention why you used PM |
| 20:22.16 | gnufan | Keith-BlindUser: I got lambasted by one blinux users for signing my emails with PGP. Can't be easy figuring out these things, when every messages started with a lot of random noise. |
| 20:22.18 | Ronin | zamaliphe: look in options, somethign aboutlogging |
| 20:22.25 | zamaliphe | do i need irc script?? |
| 20:22.25 | RedDrag0n | no idea, I only know the manual way, sorry zamaliphe , someone else here might know |
| 20:22.41 | Ronin | zamaliphe: #xchat would certainly konw |
| 20:23.11 | shingouz | zamaliphe: check the preferences on xchat, you will be surprised what you find there |
| 20:23.12 | OfficeChair | Keith-BlindUser: THe speakup kernel module, if not available for your kernel, you may want to just get kernel-source and patch it with speakup (assuming speakup isn't already mainstream with the kernel source.) |
| 20:23.13 | zamaliphe | is thir is anowser prog ar beter |
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| 20:23.26 | Ronin | zamaliphe: no idea what you just typed |
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| 20:24.10 | RedDrag0n | Ronin: I guess he meant if there's a better program Oo |
| 20:24.25 | tombs | hi all |
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| 20:24.41 | OfficeChair | Keith-BlindUser: Have you done apt-cache search speakup? |
| 20:24.44 | Ronin | zamaliphe: if RedDrag0n is correct thats a matter of personal choice/taste, personally i feel irssi is hand over fist better then xchat |
| 20:24.55 | Keith-BlindUser | Hold on-I'll BRB. |
| 20:25.12 | Keith-BlindUser | I've got to review the history of IRC for a few. |
| 20:26.13 | RedDrag0n | By the way, yay, the smbmount that way worked, I tried setting it with -o password=xxxxxx but it asks for it anyways, do I need to use smbpasswd or that's only when I'm the one sharing? |
| 20:26.22 | ogami1972 | i think rehmudi- the red hat branch- was discontinued- but this debian based, which is why i came here |
| 20:26.24 | zamaliphe | thanks alot Ronin |
| 20:26.37 | hesco | Keith-BlindUser: I have found boot disks of speakup enabled debian installation media on google. |
| 20:26.39 | zamaliphe | also thanks RedDrag0n |
| 20:26.39 | OfficeChair | Keith-BlindUser: Here is all you need to do: apt-get install kernel-source (choose a kernel) && apt-get install kernel-speakup-patch. Also, make sure you have kernel-package. |
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| 20:26.43 | ogami1972 | i just need basic network config help |
| 20:26.47 | RedDrag0n | Welcome zamaliphe :) |
| 20:27.06 | ogami1972 | i know it's not a hardware problem |
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| 20:27.18 | OfficeChair | Keith-BlindUser: Then just apply the kernel-speakup-patch and build your kernel. It is pretty simple really. |
| 20:27.19 | gnufan | OfficeChair: I was assuming if he didn't know -- it was because he hasn't yet installed Debian. Installing a new OS blind isn't easy. Indeed one of the biggest frustrations I heard on the BLINUX list is things which work fine for the blind, but that they need help installing. |
| 20:28.47 | hesco | Keith-BlindUser: ftp://mirror.services.wisc.edu/mirrors/linux/distributions/speakup/disks/debian/sarge/index.html |
| 20:28.50 | rublind | OfficeChair: I got a wave file, and when I cat it to /dev/dsp, all I hear is static. |
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| 20:29.26 | OfficeChair | rublind: Then it is not a true (simple) WAV file. |
| 20:29.42 | rublind | OfficeChair: oh, well, I didn't know that' what I needed. |
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| 20:29.49 | Gathond | rublind: well Wav is like Avi, its just a container format, the actuall content can vary |
| 20:29.55 | OfficeChair | rublind: Use altavista to find an mp3 file and play it with something like mpg123 or xmms. |
| 20:30.23 | rublind | It works! |
| 20:30.24 | rublind | It works! |
| 20:30.32 | shingouz | rublind: :) |
| 20:30.35 | rublind | "Just smile and wave boys, just smile and wave" from Madacasgar! |
| 20:30.35 | OfficeChair | rublind: What works? |
| 20:30.42 | rublind | Wooohoo, thanks everyone! |
| 20:30.54 | OfficeChair | rublind: No problem. |
| 20:30.58 | rublind | OfficeChair: the wav I got, I played it in xmms, and it worked. |
| 20:31.00 | shingouz | OfficeChair: i guess he got the sound working |
| 20:31.07 | rublind | shingouz: yeah. :) |
| 20:31.08 | shingouz | :p |
| 20:31.14 | OfficeChair | rublind: Oh, then it isn't a raw sound file. |
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| 20:31.45 | rublind | OfficeChair: I guess not, but as long as sound works, I'm happy. |
| 20:32.00 | OfficeChair | The most fustrating machine to get sound working on is a 66 MHz 486. |
| 20:32.40 | strider | rublind: you can try using aplay instead to play the wav file. |
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| 20:32.48 | rublind | strider: oh, okay thanks. |
| 20:32.54 | OfficeChair | The CPU can't handle mp3 playback quickly enough to keep the soundcard from stuttering. |
| 20:33.06 | rublind | OfficeChair: haha, you've had experience with that, eh? |
| 20:33.11 | OfficeChair | rublind: Yes. |
| 20:33.17 | zamaliphe | can i mount an iso img as rw?? to edit or add some sing |
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| 20:33.31 | Kube | I cannot run Ubuntu on my system. It just freezes when I run it with LiveCd, and when I install it after I login nothing happens. I can only move my mouse. - Same with Debian and Suse |
| 20:33.32 | OfficeChair | zamaliphe: I don't think so. |
| 20:33.35 | Kube | only DSL works for me |
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| 20:33.45 | deadcat | Kube: this is NOT ubuntu try #ubuntu |
| 20:33.53 | Wonker | Quickie: Since upgrading to linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 from 2.6.8 (of the older kernel images), NFS exports fail (hang) intermittently |
| 20:33.55 | OfficeChair | Keith-BlindUser: Go away to #ubuntu |
| 20:34.04 | OfficeChair | Err, not Keith-BlindUser |
| 20:34.09 | RedDrag0n | xD |
| 20:34.11 | OfficeChair | Kube: Go away to ubuh-huntuh |
| 20:34.11 | Wonker | Anyone have any experience with this prblem? |
| 20:34.15 | zamaliphe | so i have to creat the iso evry time |
| 20:34.18 | deadcat | zamaliphe: you will have to run mkisofs with options to rebuild the iso image after you modify it |
| 20:34.20 | Kube | deadcat I know it's not ubuntu, but it does the same with Debian.. |
| 20:34.27 | OfficeChair | zamaliphe: I am pretty sure. |
| 20:34.31 | deadcat | Kube: then we dont know |
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| 20:34.40 | OfficeChair | Kube: Go install Debian Sarge, and then come back. |
| 20:34.55 | Kube | I have Debian Sarge, I just can't install it.. |
| 20:35.07 | Kube | I told you what happens |
| 20:35.09 | deadcat | Kube: then #ubuntu. its not hard |
| 20:35.09 | OfficeChair | Kube: Install from CDs. |
| 20:35.28 | Kube | deadcat wtf? you can't read? |
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| 20:35.36 | zamaliphe | thanks all |
| 20:35.43 | deadcat | Kube: no. i DIDNT read after the word ubuntu |
| 20:35.44 | richxxx | hello anyone no how stop a windows xp install from removing linux from booting |
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| 20:35.51 | Kube | OfficeChair, I install it but after I login it just freezes... nothing happens I can only move the mouse, that's it! |
| 20:35.55 | OfficeChair | Kube: Please don't use that attitude in here. We are volunteering our precious time. |
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| 20:36.21 | deadcat | richxxx: no. i think its inevitable.. just re-run grub to get it back. |
| 20:36.22 | OfficeChair | Kube: Logging in from login, or XDM? |
| 20:36.26 | Kube | deadcat if you didn't then how come you answered me with "no" ? |
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| 20:36.35 | Kube | from login OfficeChair |
| 20:36.37 | richxxx | sigh ok |
| 20:36.39 | pjz_ | anyone know how to rebuild /var/lib/dpkg/available? |
| 20:36.44 | Kube | I tried reconfiguring X.. but it didn't work |
| 20:36.45 | pjz_ | I managed to corrupt mine |
| 20:36.52 | Kube | Safe mode doesn't load also |
| 20:36.53 | jelly-ho | richxxx: one way is to put your boot loader on the linux partition's boot sector instead of the master boot sector, then mark the Linux partition as active. |
| 20:36.56 | Equinox | I installed php4 & php4-common under Debian... I'd like to run a CLI php script but I can't find the php executable anywhere.. is there another package I need? |
| 20:36.58 | OfficeChair | Kube: Logging in as root? |
| 20:37.01 | Kube | could it be Hardware Incompatibility ? |
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| 20:37.07 | Kube | OfficeChair yea |
| 20:37.11 | Kube | from the Login Screen |
| 20:37.18 | deadcat | Kube: hell to the no! |
| 20:37.19 | richxxx | good idea |
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| 20:37.29 | OfficeChair | Kube: Go to single user |
| 20:37.52 | Kube | okay. . |
| 20:38.02 | vguerra | I have the same problem that Kube has |
| 20:38.03 | LSorensen | Kube: does it work if X isn't installed? |
| 20:38.12 | vguerra | i upgraded xorg today in the morning |
| 20:38.18 | Kube | LSorensen I have no idea, im new to Linux |
| 20:38.20 | jelly-ho | richxxx: for that to work you have to have a non-windows primary boot partition to put the Linux boot loader on. |
| 20:38.29 | OfficeChair | Kube: You want runlevel 1 |
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| 20:38.37 | Kube | How can I do that? |
| 20:38.38 | LSorensen | Kube: after all X is an application that does hardware accesses. it can easily crash if it has a bug |
| 20:38.40 | OfficeChair | Kube: Do this in Debian |
| 20:38.47 | vguerra | the thing is when you type leters it doesnt work |
| 20:38.50 | vguerra | just numbers |
| 20:38.55 | vguerra | so you can write your username |
| 20:39.05 | vguerra | * you cant write your username |
| 20:39.08 | OfficeChair | Kube: I won't help you with anything that is a Debian deriviative, even if the problem is common among both. |
| 20:39.21 | Kube | I will do it on debian.. |
| 20:39.22 | jelly-ho | richxxx: eg. I have windoze on hda1 and Linux on hda2, lilo is on hda2 and hda2 is marked active. |
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| 20:39.34 | OfficeChair | Kube: Get to your bootloader |
| 20:39.41 | Kube | ok |
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| 20:39.57 | OfficeChair | Kube: Get to a boot: prompt and do linux single |
| 20:40.50 | Kube | I wait for the bootloader and I type in what? |
| 20:40.54 | jonas3 | Hello, Im having some problems after a dist-upgrade. When I try and install x-window-system I get an error like tempfile not found. Is there any easy way to recover from a unhappy distupgrade other then reinstall ? |
| 20:41.03 | OfficeChair | Kube: linux single |
| 20:41.06 | jonas3 | I have debianutils install |
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| 20:41.11 | Kube | OfficeChair okay |
| 20:41.34 | LSorensen | OfficeChair: you mean there are people still using lilo? |
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| 20:41.48 | OfficeChair | Kube: I am not going to hand-hold you through the process of booting Linux single user. Please help yourself with Google. |
| 20:42.06 | Kube | LSorensen what is lilo |
| 20:42.07 | shingouz | LSorensen: i am one.. lilo is a lot better than you think on some computers |
| 20:42.11 | pjz_ | anyone know how I can rebuild /var/lib/dpkg/available? Mine's corrupted and it makes 'apt-get -f install' break complaining aobut the corruption. moving it out of the way didn't fix it. |
| 20:42.15 | T-u-N-i-X | hello, anyone can help me about initng and sysv-rc ? |
| 20:42.15 | Kube | OfficeChair okay.. but what does single user have to do with my problem!? |
| 20:42.16 | OfficeChair | LSorensen: I use GRUB. He should know how to use GRUB. |
| 20:42.21 | LSorensen | Kube: the ancient boot loader people used to use for booting linux before grub came along |
| 20:42.44 | LSorensen | shingouz: what feature does lilo have that grub doesn't have that could possible make it better for some computers? |
| 20:42.53 | OfficeChair | Kube: Single user is runlevel 1. It is where you go when there are problems you can't get around in multi user. |
| 20:43.31 | T-u-N-i-X | does initng completely makes sysv-rc system unnecessary ? |
| 20:43.36 | pjz_ | LSorensen: better support for raid1 |
| 20:43.38 | Kube | ok thanks |
| 20:43.41 | Seldon1975 | when users change their VM password using Comedian Mail's menu option it does change it successfully but when Asterisk is restarted their password reverts to the value in voicemail.conf - how can I allow these changes to persist? |
| 20:43.42 | shingouz | LSorensen: try making a compaq smartarray 2 or an ibm pc110 work nicely with grub and ask that question again ;) |
| 20:43.44 | Keith-BlindUser | Back all. Now what I'm wondering is, if speakup is part of the actual Debian install CD-Rom's? Or do I actually need to patch it. I'm assuming that Debian includes speakup as part of all kernel sources--at least it'd be ideal anyways. I'd have to be careful just in case it has a oddball kernel without speakup inside it thgouh, |
| 20:43.51 | LSorensen | T-u-N-i-X: not sure initng is supported on debian. you may end up having to rewrite the initscripts for everything yourself |
| 20:43.51 | OfficeChair | Kube: Please RTFM about this |
| 20:43.53 | Seldon1975 | oops wrong channels |
| 20:43.56 | arsen | hm |
| 20:44.09 | Keith-BlindUser | though* |
| 20:44.09 | LSorensen | shingouz: can't you just add it to the device.map file and be done with it? |
| 20:44.18 | T-u-N-i-X | well my boot time is 29 seconds right now.. i just have a few things to learn |
| 20:44.23 | LSorensen | shingouz: and what idiot made that controller have it's own /dev entries anyhow |
| 20:44.28 | OfficeChair | Kube: Okay, get to GRUB |
| 20:44.38 | OfficeChair | Kube: When you see the selection for your kernel, hit e to edit |
| 20:44.38 | T-u-N-i-X | LSorensen: they're completely different systems right ? |
| 20:44.43 | arsen | the nvidia one-liner didnt appear to work, in order to install nvidia-glx it removes xserver-xorg (which then means it cant reconfigure the xserver-xorg in the later steps..) ? |
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| 20:44.47 | LSorensen | pjz_: grub handles md raid1 perfectly |
| 20:44.52 | Kube | Ok i will try that |
| 20:44.54 | LSorensen | T-u-N-i-X: as far as I know yes |
| 20:44.56 | T-u-N-i-X | LSorensen: i mean if i use rcconf it won't effect initng right ? |
| 20:45.12 | LSorensen | T-u-N-i-X: probably not. rcconf has a use btw? |
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| 20:45.40 | LSorensen | arsen: xserver-org conflicts with nvidia-glx 7174 and lower. get 7676 or 8178. |
| 20:45.42 | T-u-N-i-X | :) of course.. i use it for starting or stopping the services at boot time |
| 20:45.50 | arsen | ah, try |
| 20:45.52 | arsen | ty * |
| 20:46.05 | rublind | How do I convert a file for a grub bootsplash? |
| 20:46.10 | OfficeChair | Kube: You really should learn your way around GRUB |
| 20:46.14 | shingouz | LSorensen: i have no idea who the idiot was and i want the systems to work, not to take umpteen hours to configure. lilo works, grub works after a lot of pain. i am not saying lilo is the only way to go or that grub is bad, i am only saying that sometimes the alternatives are better |
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| 20:46.30 | Wonker | Since upgrading to linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 from 2.6.8 (of the older kernel images), NFS exports (kernel-server) fail (hang) intermittently. Any thoughts? |
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| 20:46.41 | LSorensen | shingouz: once installed grub is a lot less painful to work with than lilo and much better equiped to deal with problems |
| 20:46.54 | Keith-BlindUser | Grub should be easy, dude. |
| 20:46.55 | OfficeChair | Lets not get into a GRUB vs. LILO flamewar. |
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| 20:47.19 | arsen | if grub works auto, its easy, otherwise its hassle to fix :p |
| 20:47.31 | LSorensen | shingouz: but yes the hard coding of blocks that lilo does actually does seem to deal with the compaq raid mess, while grub doesn't automatically do so (should be easy to fix once and for all though) |
| 20:47.33 | OfficeChair | But GRUB is nice when you are changing the bootloader config alot (no need to type 'lilo') |
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| 20:47.43 | LSorensen | OfficeChair: and update-grub is great |
| 20:47.44 | Keith-BlindUser | I mean all you do is: default 0 timeout 5, if your blind insert 2 controlg characters to make the grub boot loader beep when it reaches the 10 seconds or whatever for you to enter single user mode or whatever, and well assuming the kernel is installed you're fine. |
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| 20:48.18 | strib | LSorensen: it is. But it sucks for production machines which need to boot a mirrored disk pair. |
| 20:48.18 | OfficeChair | Keith-BlindUser: Exactly. It can be done blindfolded. ;) |
| 20:48.24 | curt | meld (diff viewer) is broke in etch, where do i go to search bug report etc..etc.. |
| 20:48.28 | LSorensen | strib: I use it for that. |
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| 20:48.34 | LSorensen | strib: boots fine here. |
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| 20:48.39 | LSorensen | sts: from either disk in the mirror |
| 20:48.39 | strib | LSorensen: me too. I wrote a document describing it. |
| 20:48.46 | strib | It's a horrible hack. |
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| 20:48.54 | LSorensen | strib: no hack involved for me. |
| 20:49.03 | strib | LSorensen: so how do you do it then>? |
| 20:49.06 | LSorensen | strib: I used to have to hack it a bit, but now it is clean |
| 20:49.08 | Keith-BlindUser | Technically, yes, it can be done with a blindfold on, and noone would be any the wiser that a blindfold was used, :D |
| 20:49.16 | tzfardea | when i'm executing mplayer, xmms or supertux for example i get the error "Segmentation Fault", what's the problem? |
| 20:49.22 | Pedro420 | nvz: nandrew ? |
| 20:49.33 | LSorensen | strib: grub-install /dev/sda; grub-install /dev/sdb; /dev/md0 is raid1 of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 and is mounted as /boot (could make it part of / I guess) |
| 20:49.42 | OfficeChair | We should have the topic say "No Debian derivative distributions", I am tired of people coming here with their non-Debian questions. |
| 20:49.53 | serie | does anyone know how to save sent mail to "Sent"-folder in an IMAP-account using Mew in Emacs |
| 20:49.59 | LSorensen | strib: up until about a year ago, grub did in fact NOT support md raid1. It now does. |
| 20:49.59 | strib | OfficeChair: isn't that what /kick is for? |
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| 20:50.09 | strib | LSorensen: ah, ok, thanks :) |
| 20:50.15 | LSorensen | strib: I used to manually mirror sda1 and sdb1 and install grub on each one |
| 20:50.25 | OfficeChair | tzfardea: Corrupted common dependency? |
| 20:50.30 | LSorensen | strib: I was quite happy when they added raid1 support |
| 20:50.33 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 20:50.37 | OfficeChair | tzfardea: Are you invoking them with a file to play? |
| 20:50.41 | strib | LSorensen: indeed :) |
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| 20:50.52 | tzfardea | OfficeChair, yes |
| 20:50.58 | LSorensen | strib: I now have one machine running with the hack setup, and the other running the clean method since I installed it later. |
| 20:51.00 | strib | LSorensen: do you know in which version? |
| 20:51.07 | LSorensen | strib: the one in sarge does raid1. |
| 20:51.15 | deadcat | wow. my usb wireless card went into the washer and still works. |
| 20:51.16 | Keith-BlindUser | OfficeChair: you should really make sure the tpic is about Debian not something else. But yeah, man. I think everyone should try using irc with a blindfold for a moment, it will feel kind of weird, but that's expected. I'd like to see if all of a sudden if typos start happening all over hte channel, LOL. |
| 20:51.19 | LSorensen | strib: woody certainly did not |
| 20:51.20 | OfficeChair | tzfardea: If you invoke with no command line parameters, is the no segmentation fault? |
| 20:51.32 | Fox_1_ | how i must use squidguard?? (i add it in squid.conf as redirect program and made squidguard.conf) |
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| 20:51.43 | tzfardea | OfficeChair, i get this error no matter what i do |
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| 20:51.47 | OfficeChair | Keith-BlindUser: For those who can't touchtype. |
| 20:51.56 | strib | LSorensen: I'll have to change http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.d.stribblehill/mirrored_grub.html now :| |
| 20:52.18 | LSorensen | strib: sounds good. :) |
| 20:52.18 | OfficeChair | tzfardea: Hmm, perhaps a dependency that is common among all of them is corrupted? |
| 20:52.49 | tzfardea | OfficeChair, ok... how can i check what's wrong? |
| 20:52.51 | wpostma | my system is in a weird state with a corrupt exim4 configuration in /etc/exim4. If I kill /etc/exim4, I can't get apt-get to install exim4-daemon-light and the other exim4 packages. I'm screwed. |
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| 20:53.28 | LSorensen | strib: wow you mention unmirrored swap partitions. Who would be crazy enough to run those if they bother with raid1 in the first place? |
| 20:53.28 | strib | wpostma: the config files are in exim4-config IIRC |
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| 20:54.02 | LSorensen | wpostma: purge the exim packages (all of them) then reinstall them |
| 20:54.04 | OfficeChair | tzfardea: Not sure. |
| 20:54.10 | OfficeChair | tzfardea: Is this Sarge? |
| 20:54.14 | Fox_1_ | hey are you here? |
| 20:54.17 | strib | LSorensen: most of the time, disks fail on boot |
| 20:54.24 | tzfardea | OfficeChair, it's testing |
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| 20:54.50 | jonas3 | Hello, Im having some problems after a dist-upgrade. When I try and install x-window-system I get an error like tempfile not found. Is there any easy way to recover from a unhappy distupgrade other then reinstall ? |
| 20:54.51 | jonas3 | I have debianutils install |
| 20:55.00 | tzfardea | OfficeChair, this problem was started after i had a problem with my X server, so i removed the package xserver-xorg and installed it again |
| 20:55.38 | LSorensen | strib: not in my experience |
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| 20:55.52 | OfficeChair | tzfardea: What if you invoke mplayer without arguments? |
| 20:56.00 | wpostma | rats, I have to uninstall sqwebmail, courier, etc, in order to uninstall and reinstall exim4. Is there a way to tell apt-get that I'm just doing a reinstall,l and it won't have to uninstall all kinds of stuff? |
| 20:56.01 | LSorensen | strib: given I rarely see a boot in 6 months, disk failures happen during normal use most of the time |
| 20:56.02 | tzfardea | OfficeChair, i get the same error |
| 20:56.14 | OfficeChair | tzfardea: Do other X apps work? |
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| 20:56.39 | tzfardea | OfficeChair, umm... i didnt check many apps, but atomix works for example |
| 20:56.39 | strib | LSorensen: <shrug> My cluster disagrees with you :) |
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| 20:57.05 | strib | LSorensen: 137 nodes and disks tend only to fail when they spin down |
| 20:57.07 | LSorensen | strib: well I guess it depends how often you reboot |
| 20:57.07 | tzfardea | OfficeChair, and xchat, firefox |
| 20:57.24 | strib | LSorensen: likewise, once every few months |
| 20:57.24 | LSorensen | strib: and on the type of disks perhaps. |
| 20:57.28 | strib | <nods> |
| 20:57.36 | LSorensen | strib: still either way, not mirroring swap is just asking for trouble. |
| 20:57.39 | strib | Of course, mine are all identical seagates |
| 20:57.41 | OfficeChair | In my experience, disk failures are caused by temperature changes and shock (dropping.) |
| 20:57.45 | strib | Indeed |
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| 20:57.53 | OfficeChair | Of course, the only computers I own are laptops. |
| 20:58.01 | strib | OfficeChair: hehe |
| 20:58.05 | OfficeChair | tzfardea: Weird. |
| 20:58.07 | LSorensen | strib: hmm, I haven't bought seagates in a while. I got fed up with their failure rate. |
| 20:58.08 | Fox_1_ | does squidguard make reports?? |
| 20:58.20 | LSorensen | strib: and buggy firmware. |
| 20:58.21 | lepton | wpostma: apt-get --reinstall install foo bar ... |
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| 20:58.34 | roler | i use the gnome 'main menu' - the nice and compact menu in X. How can I edit items on this menu??? |
| 20:58.40 | OfficeChair | tzfardea: All I can say is try reinstalling. ;) |
| 20:58.44 | curt | Thanks I found it... |
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| 20:58.56 | tzfardea | OfficeChair, ok thanks :P |
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| 20:59.12 | Andrei | where can i get a precompile eggdrop1.6.17. for debian 3.1 ? |
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| 20:59.30 | LSorensen | Andrei: does 3.1 include any version? |
| 20:59.46 | Andrei | what do u mean by that ? |
| 20:59.52 | OfficeChair | The last HDD failure I had occurred in a car accident. |
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| 20:59.54 | curt | !tell Andrei about eggdrop |
| 21:00.08 | wpostma | apt-get reinstalled exim4, and asked if I wanted split up conf.d or all in one. I picked not to split but /etc/exim4/conf.d was created, and files were split. What do I do to get a single exim4 conf file? |
| 21:00.16 | Keith-BlindUser | Okay all. Here's a good question. |
| 21:00.18 | LSorensen | Andrei: well I see sid includes 1.6.17. I imagine sarge does not since it probably wasn't out when sarge was released |
| 21:00.20 | chealer | Keith-BlindUser: speakup comes as a kernel patch. There are also prebuilt kernels using that patch. |
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| 21:00.38 | fatal_ | wpostma: the split files aren't used if you choose not to split AFAIK... |
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| 21:00.44 | LSorensen | Andrei: so if you need a new one, check backports.org, or backport it yourself |
| 21:00.57 | chealer | Keith-BlindUser: normal kernels don't have speakup support. the installer doesn't neither. |
| 21:01.15 | Keith-BlindUser | I'm aware Debian 3.1-R1 is the latest. I did find a version of Debian Sarge that is speakup enabled, only trouble is it's 3.1. Not 3.1R1. So does anyone see any complications in me using that? Once I burn the .Iso to a CD-Rom, I won't be able to modify the CD-Rom. |
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| 21:01.31 | exalted | Hi. Is it possible to install Debian from scratch to another available partition on disk using the internet connection that i have at the moment with an other Debian installation? |
| 21:01.32 | chealer | Keith-BlindUser: oh, another thing, the prebuilt speakup kernels are only for 2.4, and they are not in Etch |
| 21:01.38 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: as long as you can install, the upgrade afterward should be fine |
| 21:02.01 | jonas3 | Is there any way to get things right again after a fuxed dist-upgrade ? |
| 21:02.07 | LSorensen | exalted: technically you can do that with debootstrap yes |
| 21:02.17 | fatal_ | sarge har eggdrop 1.6.17-3. |
| 21:02.22 | LSorensen | jonas3: depends on the problem and how it was screwed up |
| 21:02.26 | exalted | LSorensen, can you explain me a little more please? |
| 21:02.28 | wpostma | what is /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf for? Where do I make my local mods to exim conf when using all-in-on-file? |
| 21:02.31 | OfficeChair | I was riding with an idiot that didn't stop at a stop sign while I was using my Dell Latitude. My passenger side was hit by another vehicle at about 55 MPH. I woke up with my laptop in the floor smashed. :( |
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| 21:02.38 | LSorensen | exalted: go look at the package 'debootstrap' |
| 21:02.39 | Andrei | curt that link doenst works |
| 21:02.41 | jonas3 | tetex-bin can not be installed |
| 21:02.47 | exalted | LSorensen, okay, thank you. |
| 21:02.53 | Keith-BlindUser | Can someone tell me what kernel the Debian 3.1 release was written for? 2.4 sounds a bitt lacking somehow.. |
| 21:02.55 | jonas3 | so x-window-system doesnt want to install either |
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| 21:03.09 | LSorensen | exalted: I have used it before to create systems from scratch on things that are very weird and hard to boot and not supported by the debian installer |
| 21:03.12 | jonas3 | can't I just remove all packages and begin from scratch again in some easy way ? |
| 21:03.17 | OfficeChair | When I tried to boot up, the HDD made a grinding noise and Debian wouldn't boot. |
| 21:03.22 | Keith-BlindUser | besides my NIC RealTech driver for my Network Adapter is only supported to my knologe under a 2.6.x kernel. |
| 21:03.41 | LSorensen | jonas3: you can reinstall from scratch if you really want to. doesn't help you learn what went wrong and prevent it from happening again |
| 21:03.49 | LSorensen | jonas3: which release are you running? |
| 21:03.52 | PlItS | hi to all ... i am planing to swich from RH to debian ..any one can tell me a web except debian.org that showes more features like the GUI tat debian uses and more stuf like this ? |
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| 21:04.05 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: is it gigabit? |
| 21:04.11 | buht-w | hello everyone, for the life of me i cannot figure out why im getting pciReadError's on the starting of X, I've recompiled or remade debian kernel packages using make-kpkg several times with 4 kernels.. plus my video card is AGP not PCI. Is there some obvious setting causing this between pci/agp you think? |
| 21:04.11 | Keith-BlindUser | I did find this speakup release of sarge and it was placed on one of the speakup project's mirrors on Fri march something, 2005. |
| 21:04.13 | RedDrag0n | Debian can use about any gui Oo |
| 21:04.18 | Keith-BlindUser | From what I can tel, anyways. |
| 21:04.19 | shingouz | Keith-BlindUser: on sarge you can use almost any kernel you like, even a 2.6 |
| 21:04.20 | Wonker | Hmmm....why is no public key available to verify apt package sigs? |
| 21:04.28 | buht-w | 2.6.15 - matrox parhelia - etch |
| 21:04.31 | blondie | Wonker: RTFT |
| 21:04.32 | exalted | oh LSorensen i think ive used the term "from scratch" but i didnt mean it. I simply want to install debian as it installs normally... I don't want a "strange" OS other than Debian. |
| 21:04.34 | chealer | Keith-BlindUser: Debian releases aren't "written for" some kernel. Debian includes software made by thousands of people not even developing for Debian. Debian 3.1 includes kernel 2.4 by default on i386 and also 2.6. |
| 21:04.54 | LSorensen | exalted: debootstrap does create a proper debian (minus the boot loader setup, that is your problem) |
| 21:04.58 | Andrei | hey ... i need eggdrop precompiled for debian 3.1 .. thats all .. |
| 21:04.59 | Keith-BlindUser | Witch kernel would the installer be booting with then? |
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| 21:05.13 | blondie | Andrei: that's nice |
| 21:05.29 | exalted | LSorensen, well the definiton says: "debootstrap is used to create a Debian base system from scratch, without requiring the availability of dpkg or apt. It does this by downloading .deb files from a mirror site, and carefully unpacking them into a directory which can eventually be chrooted into." |
| 21:05.35 | LSorensen | exalted: in fact most debian installers use debootstrap to do the install |
| 21:05.40 | Wonker | blondie, thanks |
| 21:05.42 | Andrei | can somebody help me with that eggdrop ? .. a link or something |
| 21:05.51 | chealer | Keith-BlindUser: 2.4 by default on i386 |
| 21:06.02 | LSorensen | exalted: after all when you start you don't yet have a system with dpkg/apt on it so debootstrap extracts them and sets that up |
| 21:06.03 | Keith-BlindUser | Because, if I am going to perform a textual installation, I would have to type this as soon as the CD stopped spinning, "Linux speakup_synth=<nameOfSynthToUse.> And well I'm just curious if 2.6 would be launching, or would I have to tell it to via something else on the command line. |
| 21:06.06 | shingouz | Andrei: did you apt-cache search eggdrop already? |
| 21:06.33 | Andrei | i did searched for precompiled eggdrop .. but i didnt found anything ... |
| 21:06.34 | exalted | LSorensen, hmmm |
| 21:06.38 | OfficeChair | Keith-BlindUser: Sarge will boot up 2.4.26 |
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| 21:06.57 | OfficeChair | Keith-BlindUser: IIRC Etch will have 2.6 something |
| 21:06.57 | strib | Keith-BlindUser: you have to type linux26 to get it to install 2.6 |
| 21:07.02 | LSorensen | Andrei: apt-cache show eggdrop |
| 21:07.30 | Andrei | where should i put these commands ? |
| 21:07.36 | LSorensen | Andrei: at the command line |
| 21:07.40 | Andrei | ok |
| 21:07.58 | exalted | LSorensen, the ending system has anything in common with the host system? |
| 21:08.03 | wpostma | Andrei, apt-get install eggdrop, eh!? |
| 21:08.09 | LSorensen | exalted: not much if anything |
| 21:08.09 | exalted | LSorensen, or just a fresh installation? |
| 21:08.13 | curt | !seen abrotman |
| 21:08.13 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (7h 25m 34s). Has said a total of 44 messages. Is idling for 1h 17m 14s |
| 21:08.17 | OfficeChair | Andrei: You aren't ready to use eggdrop. |
| 21:08.20 | abrotman | curt: ? |
| 21:08.23 | PlItS | Guys what is the fastest mirror to download debian iso images |
| 21:08.27 | abrotman | apt-spy |
| 21:08.32 | curt | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=353706 |
| 21:08.33 | LSorensen | exalted: it is a fresh unconfigured install. you will have to run base-config, and setup boot laoder and such manually, since the installer normally takes care of that |
| 21:08.37 | abrotman | curt: is that for me? |
| 21:08.41 | brothers | my gtk apps are crashing since changing theme, can i set my theme from a console in a text file? |
| 21:08.48 | exalted | LSorensen, oh... |
| 21:08.55 | LSorensen | exalted: some people have used debootstrap to install debian on a system remotely running redhat or whatever. |
| 21:08.56 | roler | i use the gnome 'main menu' - the nice and compact menu in X. How can I edit items on this menu??? |
| 21:08.56 | curt | abrotman, should I confirm that I get the same thing? |
| 21:09.05 | OfficeChair | Andrei: After you have mastered where to put commands, you will be ready to start using apt, and eggdrop. |
| 21:09.05 | Andrei | OfficeChair i do use other 15 eggdrops .. but on freebsd ... this is my 1st debian server . ..and i cant handle it .. verry well ... |
| 21:09.10 | exalted | LSorensen, i think ive got the idea |
| 21:09.18 | abrotman | curt: do you have all the same versions of the packages listed as deps ? |
| 21:09.18 | exalted | LSorensen, ty again |
| 21:09.35 | OfficeChair | Andrei: Ah. |
| 21:09.36 | curt | abrotman, looks about the same, yes |
| 21:09.48 | LSorensen | exalted: it takes care of the unpacking of the base packages into an empty directory/filesystem. you can then chroot to that dir and set it up and prepare it for use. then you boot into it as root filesystem |
| 21:09.53 | Andrei | OfficeChair i did compiled the standard eggdrop (1.6.17) , put the scripts , configured them , but in the logs nothing appears .. and the eggs do start ... |
| 21:09.59 | abrotman | curt: you should or should not .. |
| 21:10.06 | abrotman | wtf is meld? |
| 21:10.24 | Andrei | and i thinked .. that maybe i need a precompiled version .. |
| 21:10.27 | curt | abrotman, I didn't know protocol as to if I would just be duplicating or not |
| 21:10.31 | exalted | LSorensen, ive got it; its not exactly the way that i was expecting it. |
| 21:10.33 | exalted | Any ideas why udev is giving me tons of error messages during boot after a Debian testing upgrade two days ago with kernel 2.6.15-1-686? |
| 21:10.45 | abrotman | curt: well . you might be able to provide more info than what is there |
| 21:11.38 | curt | abrotman, I wouldn't mind taking the time to do it. I am leaving work now... When I get home can you walk me through a bug report? |
| 21:11.46 | abrotman | curt: i can help .. yes |
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| 21:12.18 | abrotman | though i'm not sure how much more there is to report . might just be a missed dependency from libxft |
| 21:12.21 | kspath | omg default debian desktop install is HUGE |
| 21:12.28 | abrotman | kspath: OMG .. don't use it :) |
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| 21:12.45 | LSorensen | exalted: nope, but you are not the only one |
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| 21:12.56 | exalted | LSorensen, That is freaky :S |
| 21:12.57 | Andrei | please tell me where can i get eggdrop precompiled for debian ... :( |
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| 21:13.03 | kspath | abrotman: Want to see how bloated debian desktop can be. |
| 21:13.04 | LSorensen | exalted: I think it is being looked at |
| 21:13.13 | malchias | can anyone walk me through setting up CPAN as a non root user? |
| 21:13.14 | exalted | LSorensen, im looking in /var/log/messages, but nothing logged even |
| 21:13.15 | LSorensen | Andrei: in debian already |
| 21:13.17 | abrotman | kspath: install gnome/kde/E ... that should fill a 5GB HDD :) |
| 21:13.25 | exalted | LSorensen, really hope so. |
| 21:13.30 | Keith-BlindUser | Okay then: |
| 21:13.58 | LSorensen | Andrei: apt-get install eggdrop (as root) and you have 1.6.17-3 |
| 21:13.59 | Andrei | in debian .. but where ... |
| 21:14.04 | Andrei | ok |
| 21:14.07 | Andrei | will try now |
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| 21:14.20 | LSorensen | Andrei: configuring it properly is your problem of course |
| 21:14.27 | Keith-BlindUser | If kernel 2.4.whatever is default, then what will I need to pass to the command line? I'm going to have to get a text isntall going, so after typing speakup_synth=bns or whatever, I'll need to issue something right away or else it will boot into 2.4, and I think I've got a better chance with hardware support in 2.6. |
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| 21:15.00 | Andrei | i know how to configure it properly .. i dont know how to install it :D |
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| 21:15.10 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: the installer does not auto boot. it stops at the prompt until you tell it what to do |
| 21:15.25 | Keith-BlindUser | Ah |
| 21:15.29 | Keith-BlindUser | Okay. |
| 21:15.34 | abrotman | !ig |
| 21:15.34 | Keith-BlindUser | That's a bitt different from most installers. |
| 21:15.34 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 21:15.42 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: you can hit F# keys to read more help and such |
| 21:16.12 | Keith-BlindUser | Half of the ones I've used prior to my throught of trying Debian have auto-booted unless I rappidly wak Alt, and beginn typing as fast as I can before a time-out clock goes off on me and auto boots. |
| 21:16.25 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: it is much more friendly than most installers. of course since debian believes in supporting old weird hardware, some people need to pass options so it makes sense to wait for the user to read the help and decide what to do. most people just hit enter of course |
| 21:16.43 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: and it is a text only install too of course |
| 21:16.51 | Keith-BlindUser | Ah |
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| 21:17.17 | mhall | blind user? for real? |
| 21:17.31 | arsen | i tried using the latest nvidia-glx package, although gdm wouldnt restart properly after doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:17.32 | GecKo` | Any ops around? Enigma-T[Away] is onjoin spamming: [10:14:26] (Enigma-T[Away]): http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 21:17.44 | drac | GecKo`: Yes, thank you for spamming it into channel. :/ |
| 21:17.48 | mhall | !ops please kick Enigma-T[Away] |
| 21:17.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please kick Enigma-T[Away] |
| 21:17.54 | Keith-BlindUser | So after typing Linux speakup_synth=whatever, I'd also have to enter another command. What I'm wondering, is spessifying 2.6 going to be difficult? or will the tab key work? because I will have no speech untill I tell the installer I want it to load speakup. |
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| 21:17.58 | LSorensen | arsen: remember you need nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel driver matching your kernel, and both have to be the same version |
| 21:18.00 | mhall | drac: give him a break; he's trying to help |
| 21:18.06 | GecKo` | drac: get fucked. |
| 21:18.09 | azeem | mhall: why? |
| 21:18.14 | GecKo` | drac: next time i'll just let it slide |
| 21:18.21 | mhall | azeem: GecKo` reports a join spamming attack |
| 21:18.22 | GecKo` | goes to show what happens when you try and help. |
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| 21:18.37 | Keith-BlindUser | As far as I know once the CD Rom stopps spinning I'll be sitting at a silent boot prompt. |
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| 21:18.45 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: if you want 2.6, you would need an installer cd that has 2.6 kernel with speakup support (not sure if there is one yet). if there is it would probably be: linux26 speakup_synth=... |
| 21:18.46 | drac | GecKo`: How about "Got spam from Enigma-T[Away] on join. Any Ops around?" instead of spamming the same url you got, to all of us? |
| 21:18.50 | drac | well, whatever. |
| 21:18.54 | Keith-BlindUser | and I couldn't just press enter, of course :). |
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| 21:19.27 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: unless you have a braile reader or something |
| 21:19.35 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: assuming those are supported |
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| 21:20.00 | tarzeau | !nokia |
| 21:20.00 | dpkg | methinks nokia is a cellphone company from FINLAND |
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| 21:20.15 | mhall | azeem: thank you; much appreciated |
| 21:20.24 | mirak | is there a way to simulate a keypress |
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| 21:20.39 | tarzeau | dpkg nokia is also creating some idiot software called pcsquite creating two different formats ncc and nfc which can not be interchanged easily the idiots |
| 21:20.39 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 21:20.54 | tarzeau | is there anyone working at nokia here right now? |
| 21:21.00 | mhall | Keith-BlindUser: I always wondered what it was like to use a computer while blind. How difficult is it? |
| 21:21.08 | arsen | how would i know if nvidia-glx is the same version as the nvidia-kernel-2.6.15-1-k7 ?:x |
| 21:21.17 | mhall | tarzeau: apparently lars wirzenius used to but quit over patents |
| 21:21.26 | tarzeau | fucking piece of shit of software, can't be installed both versions, and needs a godawfuldamn reboot after each remove/install |
| 21:21.42 | tarzeau | i would just like to hit some nokia employers hard |
| 21:21.43 | kspath | mhall: I am not blind but read a lot about it. It is hard hard hard unless you have the right hardware specialized with audio feedback. |
| 21:21.52 | dannyp | mhall: would probably be easier if there weren't so many CAPTCHAs out there |
| 21:22.04 | mhall | kspath: oof |
| 21:22.10 | mhall | dannyp: yeah that's really screwed up |
| 21:22.33 | mhall | apparently it forces you to use a lot of Windows / M$ stuff |
| 21:22.38 | mhall | that's one thing i heard |
| 21:22.48 | kspath | mhall: the problems are many. Like none of the consumer hardware is tested for blind usage for starters |
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| 21:23.05 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: it looks like you can install by booting the brltty floppy which has brltty and speakup support, which then uses the normal installer to continue |
| 21:23.34 | Ether_Man | tarzeau: you could have told the bot that cellphones are simply a sidebizz just like ericsson |
| 21:23.50 | Keith-BlindUser | Well the Debian installer I found on: ftp://mirror.services.wisc.edu/Mirrors/Linux/Distrobutions/speakup/Debian/Sharge did not tell me if the CD iso I saw there called "Sharge.Iso" would have 2.4, or 2.6 on it, so I don't know. That FTP Server is annonymous. Just using the mirror part without ftp works fine, but if someone wants to check out that installer, let me know what you can find about it, no need to isntall, just |
| 21:23.58 | kspath | mhall: bios does not give audio feedback and there is no way normally for the blind to set boot order or other settings without assistance or a script of keypresses. |
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| 21:24.14 | Keith-BlindUser | I haven't burnned the CD yet. I'm on a Windows box and need to find a CD-burnner program first before I can even try using the CD. |
| 21:24.20 | mhall | kspath: i was going to say, anything to do with booting would SUCK |
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| 21:24.29 | mhall | Keith-BlindUser: there are a couple available that are good |
| 21:24.30 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: the iso has both. however you apparently need to boot with the 'access' floppy to get speakup support |
| 21:24.38 | coolpix | cu |
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| 21:24.59 | arsen | how do i upgrade from testing to unstable?;o |
| 21:25.03 | dannyp | kspath: surely one could get a computer with a bios that supports a serial console... |
| 21:25.04 | cusco | hey...! how do I change a user login? |
| 21:25.05 | Keith-BlindUser | So I can't be sure what kernel it has. All I know is my network addapter is supported in 2.56, and most Linux distrobutions I've seen have offered 2.6 kernels sinse most people use those. |
| 21:25.14 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: that being, the access boot, root and cd or net drivers floppy images. |
| 21:25.14 | Keith-BlindUser | Um |
| 21:25.20 | Keith-BlindUser | 2.6 not 2.56 Argh! |
| 21:25.21 | kspath | mhall: if you know a really good person that wants to help people than doing research for the blind would be a good endeavor for a phd project assuming a professor would accept it. |
| 21:25.25 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: do you know which network card it is? |
| 21:25.28 | sunflower | hello there any one know how I delete a empty ext2 partition to change it to fat32? |
| 21:25.40 | Keith-BlindUser | Um |
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| 21:25.54 | blondie | sunflower: fdisk, change the type, format it as fat32 |
| 21:25.58 | cusco | is there a way to change the login of a user?? |
| 21:26.05 | LSorensen | sunflower: remove the partition in a partition table editing program |
| 21:26.09 | LSorensen | cusco: like chsh ? |
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| 21:26.19 | blondie | cusco: edit /etc/passwd? |
| 21:26.21 | cusco | LSorensen: that only changes the shell |
| 21:26.21 | LSorensen | cusco: ehm, what do you mean by change the login by the way? |
| 21:26.24 | cusco | blondie: not enough |
| 21:26.28 | Silent_al | !tell arsen about dist-upgrade |
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| 21:26.30 | blondie | cusco: yes it is |
| 21:26.33 | dannyp | chsh is the proper way |
| 21:26.34 | cusco | LSorensen: the login name |
| 21:26.34 | sunflower | isnt there any easy way |
| 21:26.37 | LSorensen | cusco: do you mean change username? |
| 21:26.39 | wpostma | if I edit /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf, to contain dc_local_interfaces='192.168.0.1:127.0.0.1' then that should allow anything on 192.168.0.1 to connect to port 25 on this server right? |
| 21:26.40 | Keith-BlindUser | It's a RealTech Something or other. LOL. Not sure. Hey Dude; not sure if the Debian installer allows the user to use other consoles, or even use SSHD, but if it does, I can see if I can burn the CD, try to load SSH D, figure out what tool setups the network, and let you take a look through LSPCI. |
| 21:26.42 | cusco | LSorensen: yes |
| 21:26.56 | LSorensen | cusco: you can rename /home/username and edit /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow and /etc/group |
| 21:27.03 | dannyp | if you edit passwd, you need to update shadow, etc. |
| 21:27.03 | Keith-BlindUser | Or actually |
| 21:27.11 | Keith-BlindUser | I believe you'd find it if you listed LSUSB. |
| 21:27.13 | bloom | topic |
| 21:27.19 | Keith-BlindUser | Sinse it's connected to a u.s.b port. |
| 21:27.19 | mhall | kspath: don't have time or money for graduate school |
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| 21:27.27 | bloom | whoops missed the slash |
| 21:27.31 | ndee | hello there, I wanna search the content of a couple files(also in sub directories) and output the filename, if it matches a pattern, is that somehow possible? |
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| 21:27.35 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: kei: hmm, I know some architectures support ssh console for the install after a certain point. not sure i386 dfoes |
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| 21:27.41 | binman180 | why can't i hear anything? |
| 21:27.44 | wpostma | ndee, grep is your friend |
| 21:27.49 | cusco | dannyp: oh right thanks |
| 21:27.50 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: usb ethernet? |
| 21:27.51 | cusco | thanks LSorensen |
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| 21:28.08 | ndee | wpostma: in the man pages, they just write about files but not directories. |
| 21:28.12 | Keith-BlindUser | D, o , e , s :) |
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| 21:28.27 | wpostma | ndee, in that case you probably want find. |
| 21:28.28 | Keith-BlindUser | well |
| 21:28.44 | kspath | mhall: if you think you have information overload now. Imagine trying to use audio or braille output |
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| 21:29.01 | binman180 | -.- |
| 21:29.01 | LSorensen | kspath: I was just thinking about that. I can't imagine trying to keep up with this. |
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| 21:29.08 | Keith-BlindUser | I could experiment, but I've got to find a CD recorder for Windows unless I could see if Cdrecord is available for Windows and sinse I would not know the correct sintax for uurnning a .ISO image, |
| 21:29.12 | mhall | kspath: son of a bitch |
| 21:29.23 | Keith-BlindUser | burnning |
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| 21:29.32 | mhall | Keith-BlindUser: yeah there are some free windows CD burning applications; i'm finding a link |
| 21:29.41 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: most cd writing programs have an option for 'burn cd from image' which is what you want. nero and easy cd creator both do. |
| 21:29.52 | Keith-BlindUser | and this would get off the tpic- so I think that we can take this into PM if you want to discuss this subject here-I'm trying not to change topic. |
| 21:29.55 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: and I think cdrecord exists for windows, although it is painful to use |
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| 21:30.09 | arsen | whys it look like you have to be on unstable to install nvidia drivers?! im lost :\ |
| 21:30.11 | ndee | wpostma: that is only for finding files, but I want to search the content of files. |
| 21:30.11 | Keith-BlindUser | well |
| 21:30.27 | wpostma | ndee, then you want "grep -R" |
| 21:30.34 | LSorensen | arsen: nvidia is non-free. it doesn't auto migrate to testing. x.org on the other hand is free and did migrate. |
| 21:30.37 | Keith-BlindUser | I've always had people assist me with cdrecord my friend told me it has an odd sintax and I wouldn't know what that was. But I'm sure I could try it. |
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| 21:30.42 | cusco | blondie: no it isn't |
| 21:30.52 | ndee | wpostma: oh, true *embarassed* |
| 21:30.52 | arsen | so you do essentially need to be on unstable then?:p |
| 21:30.53 | blondie | cusco: it is for what you asked |
| 21:31.07 | cusco | blondie: than you can't login, makes no sense so it isn't |
| 21:31.08 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: the syntax is not just odd. It is insane. Reminds me of trying to talk to the author of cdrecord. :) |
| 21:31.34 | blondie | cusco: I didn't say you could, but the login is still changed. |
| 21:31.37 | Keith-BlindUser | Have you talked with the author of cdrecord? :P |
| 21:31.38 | kspath | mhall: I once talked with a blind gentleman on a CTA bus in Chicago for sometime and he had a very specialized device years ago that looked like a notebook with no screen but it had a special interface |
| 21:31.40 | wpostma | Keith-BlindUser, whenever I run into weird syntax, I make a small shell script. burniso would be a nice command for instance, to wrap up the uglies of cdrecord. |
| 21:31.43 | LSorensen | arsen: well to use the non-free driver at this moment, well almost. You can just go download the .deb's from unstable and install them with dpkg -i |
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| 21:31.45 | mhall | Keith-BlindUser: http://www.cdburnerxp.se/ |
| 21:31.52 | cusco | blondie: whats the point of helping some one break his machine? |
| 21:31.57 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: by email, yes. a number of times. |
| 21:32.00 | mhall | Keith-BlindUser: The author of cdrecord is a hideously evil bastard. |
| 21:32.05 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: never very productive |
| 21:32.13 | blondie | cusco: I doubt it would break your machine |
| 21:32.20 | kspath | mhall: That was one of the things that got me quite interested in the subject of UI and UI design. |
| 21:32.23 | arsen | im gona just dist-upgrade, see if its easier in unstable |
| 21:32.28 | Keith-BlindUser | Hold |
| 21:32.28 | cusco | blondie: the login wouldn't work what would be the point? |
| 21:32.29 | LSorensen | arsen: it could be. |
| 21:32.30 | mhall | kspath: cdrecord? |
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| 21:32.35 | cusco | blondie: not enough. |
| 21:32.42 | blondie | cusco: well I think changing usernames is silly to start with |
| 21:32.57 | cusco | blondie: keep yout thoughts to yourself |
| 21:33.03 | blondie | cusco: no |
| 21:33.05 | Andrei | LSorensen : localhost:~# apt-cache show eggdrop |
| 21:33.05 | Andrei | Package: eggdrop |
| 21:33.05 | Andrei | Priority: extra |
| 21:33.06 | Andrei | Section: net |
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| 21:33.07 | cusco | yes |
| 21:33.11 | LSorensen | blondie: yeah that's what I tried to tell someone at work many years ago, but she insisted her username on all the machines had to be changed when she got married. |
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| 21:33.21 | LSorensen | Andrei: and apt-get install eggdrop does what? |
| 21:33.25 | blondie | LSorensen: haha |
| 21:33.28 | cusco | LSorensen: LOL |
| 21:33.33 | RedDrag0n | LSorensen: LoL xD |
| 21:33.40 | cusco | :) |
| 21:33.52 | Keith-BlindUser | Mhall, how did you guess I was using XP Pro? :P |
| 21:34.05 | mhall | Keith-BlindUser: I didn't, it's just part of the name of the program itself. |
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| 21:34.16 | Keith-BlindUser | Ah. :D |
| 21:34.33 | Keith-BlindUser | here goes nothing. |
| 21:34.33 | mhall | Keith-BlindUser: I really don't know why they called it that, but since they give it away free, I figured I'd just shut the fuck up and not argue with them. |
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| 21:34.47 | Keith-BlindUser | Laughing Out Loud |
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| 21:34.51 | mhall | Keith-BlindUser: It should be able to burn them because I got the name of it from Debian's CD Image FAQ |
| 21:34.58 | wpostma | Keith-BlindUser, I usually use K3B to burn ISOs. |
| 21:34.59 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: are acronyms a pain? |
| 21:35.28 | LSorensen | wpostma: I usually use cdrecord or cdrdao or growisofs |
| 21:35.58 | freeone3000 | Alright. I've narrowed down my error, done some reading. |
| 21:35.58 | Keith-BlindUser | I'm glad I haven't had anyone on this channel ever tell me to "STFU." I try to find helpful friends on IRC especially open source ones like this, try to chat, to enjoy myself, to help if I can. But I have found some people will hate you so much they will stop at nothing to cause problems. Had a blind kid whipe my Linux box by some how obtaining root and using cd / rm -rf / |
| 21:36.37 | freeone3000 | The test page I started with cups's web interface just isn't printing, using the Lexmark X75 Driver from http://home.online.no/~enrio/ |
| 21:36.38 | asg | Keith-BlindUser: the 'cd /' is redundant in that case |
| 21:36.56 | mhall | Keith-BlindUser: that's pretty messed up of him |
| 21:37.20 | mhall | Keith-BlindUser: You seem to be patient and clear with what you type so I think you're unlikely to encounter an 'STFU.' |
| 21:37.31 | LSorensen | freeone3000: might not be installed where it needs to be, assuming it works at all. |
| 21:37.31 | dannyp | mhall: people on IRC are jerks |
| 21:37.38 | LSorensen | freeone3000: I stick to supported hardware |
| 21:37.43 | LSorensen | dannyp: yeah we sure are. :) |
| 21:37.51 | arsen | freenode is generally good i find :p |
| 21:37.54 | kspath | dannyp: I am not a jerk. I am a BOFH. |
| 21:37.57 | mhall | Keith-BlindUser: I, on the other hand, am offensive, loud, and not especially appropriate. So people tell me to 'STFU' or something similar a few times a week at minimum. |
| 21:38.00 | arsen | you should try giving support on quakenet.. lol :) |
| 21:38.03 | mhall | dannyp: Yes; quite. |
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| 21:38.14 | kspath | mhall: STFU |
| 21:38.28 | dannyp | a BOFH is just a jerk who has root. I say that as someone whose .plan at work says I'm a BOFH |
| 21:38.28 | mhall | kspath: WNBT |
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| 21:39.07 | kspath | dannyp: hehehe |
| 21:39.11 | wpostma | does exim4 need a line in inetd.conf to work? |
| 21:39.16 | Keith-BlindUser | Yeah: at least on some networks-I've been on a few networks were well.. Once a friend of mine got control of my IRC chat window because I was running it in screen and I didn't realize he'd attached his screen, next thing he made me type something in spannish flooding the Administrator of the hub server with messages, and next thing I know.. "*** Server notice ***Hub.TX.Us.FreedomChat.org*** You are permanently bannned from |
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| 21:39.41 | cafuego | mhall: STFU |
| 21:39.43 | asg | wpostma: not unless you are starting it via inetd |
| 21:39.57 | wpostma | asg, it is normally run as a daemon in debian though, not through inetd? |
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| 21:40.02 | LSorensen | Keith-BlindUser: never give access to your machime to people you can't trust 100%. |
| 21:40.09 | asg | wpostma: yes, it is a daemon by default |
| 21:40.29 | kspath | Keith-BlinderUser : never give others access, ever. |
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| 21:41.09 | dannyp | kspath: I imagine that's hard sometimes, especially if you're using things that are not accessible to you |
| 21:41.16 | kspath | Keith-BlinderUser: people will think adding "exit" to your .bashrc is funny |
| 21:41.28 | wpostma | well it looks like exim4 is running on my system, from ps aux output, but "telnet localhost smtp" doesn't work. |
| 21:41.41 | wpostma | it says "connection closed by foreign host". |
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| 21:42.01 | Zugschlus | wpostma: netstat -anp, and see what's listening |
| 21:42.01 | Keith-BlindUser | I've had the same blind kid who laughed about whiping my Linux machine also trick me into typing a command in the Windows client mIRC that caused me to have all files on drive C: that windows wasn't using be removed. Therefore disabling short cuts, causing file protection errors, then he finished me off with Windows by causing me to run a executable that whiped the registry. Mhall, that's extremely not funny; nor is it nice. |
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| 21:42.15 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
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| 21:42.39 | freeone3000 | LSorensen: Unfortunatly, this is all I have... It's in the USB, and it was an autoinstall script that CUPS seemed to recognize. It had the model and all the other stuff it should have in the web interface afterwards, as opposed to before where it didn't. |
| 21:42.43 | mhall | Keith-BlindUser: yeah that's a bunch of bullshit |
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| 21:42.51 | kspath | dannyp: Ideally, you would make a script of the bios of your machines if blind so you can access all features. find a distribution of BSD or Linux that will have a simple and/or custom setup for Blind and than just learn to admin it yourself. |
| 21:42.53 | Andrei | LSorensen where can i paste a message ? |
| 21:42.57 | DevilChaos | how well is debian ported to 64bit architechture ? im thinking bout upgrading soon? |
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| 21:43.05 | Andrei | not very long |
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| 21:43.25 | Keith-BlindUser | That's only one IRC network. So I came to Freenode wanting to get away from people that might simply enjoy making fools out of themselves with my missforchons. |
| 21:43.37 | Keith-BlindUser | heh |
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| 21:43.54 | Keith-BlindUser | Amazes me too think about how much trouble one person can turn into, Heh. |
| 21:44.09 | Andrei | LSorensen http://channels.debian.net/paste/1887. |
| 21:44.40 | mhall | Keith-BlindUser: i've turned into quite a bit of trouble before |
| 21:44.47 | mhall | Keith-BlindUser: i got arrested a couple of weeks ago |
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| 21:45.16 | Andrei | i have a problem |
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| 21:46.25 | peterS | mhall: no kidding? since you brought it up - what happened? |
| 21:46.48 | Andrei | i have a shell with debian ( a VPS ) , i did installed eggdrop ( standard 1.6.17 ) i put in my scripts & started up the egg ... but it doesnt appers on irc ... ( on my other VPS - FreeBSD ) they work fine ... .. what can i do ? |
| 21:47.01 | Andrei | in logs doenst appears any error |
| 21:47.03 | mhall | peterS: well what i learned was, i do fine when i'm really drunk if it's not a weird situation |
| 21:47.10 | Andrei | doesnt* |
| 21:47.16 | mhall | peterS: but if the situation's weird, it causes my brain to go on a real bender |
| 21:47.25 | peterS | I see |
| 21:47.29 | mhall | peterS: and then all manner of odd things can happen none of which i'll remember |
| 21:47.39 | mhall | peterS: since it's ot can we take it to query or #mhall |
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| 21:48.08 | wam | Hi! I need a free poker-game for linux which can play at least 7-card-stud. Best would be if it worked online. I only know pokerroom.com, who have a java-applet that also works under linux. Are there any free poker-games? |
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| 21:48.21 | Andrei | who can help me with that ? |
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| 21:49.08 | pacopacino | i have ssh installed, and a friend tried to run putty on my server and it timed out. could it be a port issue? |
| 21:49.09 | kspath | Oh, did I mention the fact that the default debian desktop install/config is a massive/bloated/HUGE/gigantic/tremendous/BIG pile of installation... |
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| 21:49.35 | RedDrag0n | kspath: you can just install the base system and then install the GUI stuff later - saves about 1 Gb or two Oo |
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| 21:50.08 | RedDrag0n | It's really nice though, for those who don't care much about their used space or have lots of free space :P |
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| 21:50.23 | halibut | I have two two PCs attached to a combined router/firewall thing. There is a printer attached to the other computer, can I print to it from this computer? |
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| 21:50.25 | asg | kspath: that's why we install a base system and only apt-get what is needed. |
| 21:50.37 | kspath | RedDrang0n: I believe you. I normally do a minimal install and only install a few other things. Was curious who/what/when/where/how all was going to get installed. |
| 21:50.38 | ZiDaNe | after a clean installation of debian etch with kde 3.5.1 I have this error when opening a session: "Could not stard kdeinit. Check your installation", what does this mean and how to repair it ? |
| 21:50.38 | strider | always skip tasksel myself |
| 21:50.45 | pacopacino | cups |
| 21:51.15 | RedDrag0n | kspath: a script with lots of apt-get's I guess, for what I've seen in the terminals while installing, or so I think it is. |
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| 21:52.44 | LSorensen | and: so it says eggdrop is already installed. so just use it |
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| 21:53.37 | jikbag | ping |
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| 21:53.50 | UrbanWorks | LSorensen .. but it doesnt works .. |
| 21:53.58 | UrbanWorks | as i already told you .. |
| 21:54.11 | LSorensen | UrbanWorks: then it isn't configured correctly. |
| 21:54.21 | UrbanWorks | everything is fine ..except the fact that the bot doenst goes up on irc |
| 21:54.25 | LSorensen | UrbanWorks: configuring eggdrop is far from trivial |
| 21:54.26 | xored | today i configured my iptables, and somehow one client cannot connect to NFS ( RPC timeout) the other is able. Both have exactly the same configuration in the iptables, (access to all ports) |
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| 21:54.44 | UrbanWorks | then how do you explain that on my otherr vps ( with freebsd ) everything works fine .. |
| 21:54.48 | chealer | ZiDaNe: see #debian-kde |
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| 21:55.12 | LSorensen | UrbanWorks: you configured it differently I imagine. |
| 21:55.13 | UrbanWorks | i did configured eggdrop on both vpss |
| 21:55.21 | UrbanWorks | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.29 | LSorensen | UrbanWorks: or maybe you have it firewalled off on one of them |
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| 21:56.36 | nvz | I got a hd off a friend who needs me to hook him up with an installation. I want to do it from work tonight maybe through ssh to a chroot on my box, how does that work? I've never installed that way |
| 21:56.40 | epsilon | xored: the server supports both clients? |
| 21:56.52 | epsilon | xored: does the kernel supports NFS? |
| 21:56.53 | xored | yes sure |
| 21:57.08 | xored | epsilon: its not an NFS error. If i flush iptables, both can connect |
| 21:57.28 | xored | epsilon: i`ve opened all ports for both cients on this linux box |
| 21:57.38 | chealer | DevilChaos: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 21:57.42 | pjz_ | anyone know how I can rebuild /var/lib/dpkg/available? Mine's corrupted and it makes 'apt-get -f install' break complaining aobut the corruption. moving it out of the way didn't fix it. |
| 21:57.46 | epsilon | xored: tcpdump? |
| 21:57.48 | nvz | that would be the most productive way I think. cause it would need minimal interaction from me it can go at setting his system up while I am at work I can just keep an eye on it |
| 21:57.50 | xored | epsilon: the clieant which is not able to connect to NFS can do anything else like swat etc |
| 21:57.51 | LSorensen | nvz: doing an install outside the target system is a lot harder. installing the bootloader and such would be a real pain |
| 21:57.57 | xored | epsilon: what is that ? |
| 21:57.59 | nvz | LSorensen: oh? |
| 21:58.12 | LSorensen | nvz: and configuring and testing X and such would be nearly imposible, unless the machines are identical |
| 21:58.13 | nvz | LSorensen: maybe put his hd in mine and do a base and setup ssh then? |
| 21:58.15 | epsilon | xored: much information |
| 21:58.17 | mhall | wam: apt-cache search poker |
| 21:58.32 | mapinas | QUESTION: When i try to upgrade udev 0.081-1 to 0.084-5 apt wants to remove hal,gnome, and other important stuff. what should i do?? I use etch with kernel 2.6.12. |
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| 21:58.39 | nvz | LSorensen: I never done chroot install.. I thought I would be easier.. I could just ssh into my box and install him without ever restarting |
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| 21:58.46 | epsilon | search strippoker :P |
| 21:58.48 | LSorensen | nvz: and I wouldn't recomend a chroot install unless you have a good reason for one. it leaves a bunch of stuff not configured that the install does for you |
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| 21:59.01 | xored | epsilon: shoudl i install it, its not there yet |
| 21:59.11 | epsilon | !install |
| 21:59.11 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 21:59.12 | LSorensen | nvz: much easier if your friend brings the whole machine, then you can just set it up properly |
| 21:59.23 | Estes | epsilon, are you the epsilon or epita ? |
| 21:59.32 | epsilon | ? |
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| 21:59.46 | Estes | epsilon, you would have gotten it already, enevermind |
| 21:59.50 | nvz | LSorensen: he has a pirate XP without activation on there now.. he just wants to rip mp3s from cds and put them on his mp3 player/phone. so maybe doing a base install on his and setting up ssh, then I can ssh in from work and finish it setting up X, a DE, lame, grip, cdparanoia..etc |
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| 22:00.07 | LSorensen | nvz: certainly sounds better |
| 22:00.28 | LSorensen | nvz: well a base install + X is a good start. then you can do the rest by ssh. setting up X seems easier when you can see the result |
| 22:00.35 | xored | epsilon: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8985, thats my iptable, rules |
| 22:00.38 | curt_ | abrotman, I was going to work on that 'meld' bug report but it doesn't exist here at home ;) |
| 22:00.47 | mirak | is there a device in /dev/ that could accept commands like command line ? |
| 22:00.47 | abrotman | huh?> |
| 22:00.58 | curt_ | abrotman, I will take a closer look at it tomorrow at work |
| 22:00.59 | abrotman | curt_: it doesn't exist? |
| 22:00.59 | mhall | xored: ubuntu? |
| 22:01.09 | xored | mhall: no, i just had this url in history |
| 22:01.11 | abrotman | curt_: oh .. maybe see what the differences are |
| 22:01.12 | curt_ | abrotman, works fine here at home |
| 22:01.17 | xored | i have sarge stable there mhall |
| 22:01.19 | nvz | LSorensen: I dont really have to set anything up.. I just need to have everything there. he doesnt have net.. so I need a bootable hd with all the packages installed.. and lame isnt on the cds.. so what he needs is a hd that boots with all the right packages on it |
| 22:01.31 | abrotman | xored: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. please |
| 22:01.34 | nvz | LSorensen: I can just go to his house and put it back together and finish it |
| 22:01.37 | deadcat | seems like i am waiting for glxcompmgr. since compiz is a windowmanager as well and i use a diff wm |
| 22:01.44 | xored | abrotman: lets play the game again ? |
| 22:01.49 | LSorensen | nvz: but you could just bring the whole machine |
| 22:01.55 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:01.58 | xored | abrotman: its unbelieveable what you guy a paranoid ? |
| 22:01.58 | curt_ | abrotman, I dist-update just about daily on both sys and they are both testing, must be another difference |
| 22:02.03 | LSorensen | nvz: do you ahve the same chipset? same cpu type? samve video card? |
| 22:02.16 | xored | ssh > dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 (root@sweethome) |
| 22:02.16 | xored | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 22:02.21 | xored | co comment.. |
| 22:02.22 | FlimFlamMan | still can't play quicktime on sarge. |
| 22:02.29 | nvz | LSorensen: his neighbors were thowing one away today and I snatched it cause I am about to go setup a network for this church homework club and I didnt want to have to carry two |
| 22:02.47 | xored | abrotman: should i do it again and again and again ? |
| 22:02.58 | nvz | LSorensen: I got about a half a dozen and from what I understand they already got at least 3 they cant figure out how to get working |
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| 22:03.01 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: not all codecs work .. even with marillats stuff |
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| 22:03.14 | azeem | xored: there are a lot of people here, we cannot remember dealing with each and every one, sorrry |
| 22:03.16 | FlimFlamMan | i'm trying to play the mochikit demo quicktime |
| 22:03.19 | nvz | LSorensen: thats not important debian kernels use initrd |
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| 22:03.27 | xored | azeem: i did this game for 10 times no |
| 22:03.28 | xored | now |
| 22:03.29 | nvz | LSorensen: use i386 and set up the rest later |
| 22:03.29 | romulo | hi, where gnome configuration edition store its keys? |
| 22:03.35 | azeem | xored: :-/ |
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| 22:03.36 | abrotman | furthermore .. #iptables is probably a better place to ask |
| 22:03.48 | azeem | romulo: in ~/.gconf |
| 22:03.50 | nvz | LSorensen: I just need to get everything I need off the internet from here before I take the hd back |
| 22:03.59 | xored | i have ubuntu and debian. i why the hell would i ask here for ubuntu, if i need help for debian . Why do yu even care ? |
| 22:04.05 | ZiDaNe | I have an onboard sound card which is not detected by debian etch, I tried alsaconf without success, any ideas about how to repair sound? |
| 22:04.09 | nvz | LSorensen: I've used linux enough I can manage setting up grip and a USB mass storage device :P |
| 22:04.13 | xored | its pathetic.. |
| 22:04.42 | azeem | xored: a lot of people come here because they aren't being helped in #ubuntu |
| 22:04.43 | Pedro420 | nvz: nandrew ? |
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| 22:04.59 | nvz | Pedro420: yo momman rides the clyde |
| 22:05.10 | nvz | Pedro420: you guys got a car so you dont have to.. he |
| 22:05.11 | nvz | h |
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| 22:05.18 | xored | azeem: to be honest, i get more help in ubuntu then in here with problems. But thats the the topic i wanna talk about |
| 22:05.30 | Pedro420 | nvz: how would I get pics of a digital camera onto the computer ? |
| 22:05.34 | xored | azeem: all the guys in here helping for free thats great |
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| 22:05.45 | Pedro420 | nvz: off * |
| 22:05.55 | xored | azeem: but anytime alway the SAME persons who playing this game |
| 22:05.55 | nvz | Pedro420: works just like any other USB Mass Storage device like the mp3 players you got right? |
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| 22:06.19 | azeem | xored: it's because there is a limited amount of regulars who do support |
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| 22:06.25 | nvz | Pedro420: you mount the scsi emulated USB Mass Storage drive and drag them puppies off |
| 22:06.30 | azeem | xored: but there is an insane amount of people coming here asking for support |
| 22:06.31 | tuv | what is an easy tool for configuring iptables? |
| 22:06.37 | RedDrag0n | okay, wtf? |
| 22:06.46 | azeem | xored: so you cannot expect the regulars to remember every nick and their support history |
| 22:06.46 | Pedro420 | nvz: yea |
| 22:06.48 | xored | azeem: yes sure. But just in for my questions, iptables, it doesnt matter which distribution |
| 22:06.58 | xored | azeem: i dont, i dont really |
| 22:06.59 | azeem | xored: yeah, well |
| 22:07.14 | xored | azeem: but i said i have debian, but NO i should proove it |
| 22:07.23 | RedDrag0n | Anyhow, where I can (or how do I) find the installed fonts? Oo can't find them :/ |
| 22:07.30 | xored | azeem: like an key.. |
| 22:07.32 | dannyp | micropayments are the solution |
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| 22:07.40 | dannyp | micropayments for getting help, micropayments for fixing bugs |
| 22:07.45 | nvz | Pedro420: I called casey today to ask her to borrow one of your old phone chargers for the cigular/samsung phones and she got all bitchy said I only call when I want something. |
| 22:07.49 | Pedro420 | nvz: it wont mount using the mp3 player mount button |
| 22:07.51 | xored | azeem: and abrotman is ignoring my quesitons anyway, so why he even cares.. |
| 22:07.52 | azeem | xored: you wouldn't believe how many people in here claim they had Debian (or "stable") and on closer inspection turn out not to |
| 22:07.53 | mirak | what I am doing is binding compiz exposé function to the F12 key, then brightside a programm wich detects when mouse is put in the corners of the screen can run that /usr/bin/xte 'key F12' command. Only problem is that the programm is run from the file system, introducing some lantency So I am wondering if there was a way or a device in /dev/ that could do system calls to just supress that latency. |
| 22:07.59 | nvz | Pedro420: then made excuses when I said when's the last time she just called to say hello |
| 22:08.14 | abrotman | xored: why are you arguing with azeem? |
| 22:08.24 | RedDrag0n | ... why are they arguing anyways Oo |
| 22:08.34 | xored | abrotman: i have debian, relaxe.. |
| 22:08.44 | nvz | Pedro420: look at dmesg in a console/terminal and at the bottom should be the info about that camera when you plug it in |
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| 22:08.53 | abrotman | or ask #iptables |
| 22:08.57 | nvz | Pedro420: might not be the same /dev/ as the mp3 player |
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| 22:09.22 | Pedro420 | nvz: so now what ? |
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| 22:09.49 | nvz | Pedro420: I dunno unplug the camera and any mp3 players, then plug the camera in and type dmesg and look |
| 22:10.01 | tuv | almost every iptables configuration tool has its own conffile format, any more user-friendly ones? |
| 22:10.05 | xored | azeem: i just dondt get it why people are so stucked in "which distro". I mean if you help someone for FREE ( you earn nothing) the only thing you might get and should is an "big thank you". What does change, if you helped someone, and it worked for him ? you get the same |
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| 22:10.24 | nvz | Pedro420: you should see info about a USB mass storage device being detected like sda or something and it will tell you what partitions it has like sda1.. |
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| 22:10.30 | bonez39 | !seen lonnie |
| 22:10.31 | dpkg | lonnie <n=lonnie@12.158.211.162> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 113d 2h 8m 23s ago, saying: 'Later, and thanks.'. |
| 22:11.16 | xored | azeem: but yes, ubuntu is not debian, thats why all ubuntu users find a /etc/debian_version in there distro.. |
| 22:11.48 | nvz | The rev is talking about trying to get a grant for new pcs.. I think they should worry more about internet and networking equipment, I can get them all the hardware and software they need. |
| 22:11.54 | azeem | xored: it is sufficiently different that many questions do not apply |
| 22:12.12 | Pedro420 | nvz: a whole bunch of errors came up in dmesg yo |
| 22:12.14 | xored | azeem: 90% do |
| 22:12.17 | nvz | people underestimate the utility of used hardware |
| 22:12.25 | azeem | xored: and besides this technical fact, there is also the social fact that people in here do not like to do Ubuntu support |
| 22:12.35 | Pedro420 | nvz: not claimed by an active driver |
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| 22:12.44 | xored | azeem: and if not, you help and this guy knwoing he is asking in the "wrong" channel, he will not be angry ? |
| 22:12.47 | nvz | Pedro420: dmesg contains all the kernel device messages in the buffer, you just need to be concerned with the most recent ones from the bottom up |
| 22:13.05 | azeem | xored: I don't understand, can you rephrase that? |
| 22:13.09 | nvz | Pedro420: the first one from the bottom about a usb device being plugged in and everything below that is what you are llooking at |
| 22:13.20 | xored | azeem: i think the main thing people got to realize, the thing which is important is to get people use linux |
| 22:13.30 | azeem | xored: well, yes |
| 22:13.40 | Pedro420 | nvz: thats the last one not claimed by an active driver |
| 22:13.47 | xored | azeem: and thats how anything started |
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| 22:14.00 | azeem | xored: but you can Linux without much prior knowledge or help these days |
| 22:14.00 | nvz | Pedro420: is your usb-storage driver loaded? |
| 22:14.13 | xored | azeem: nobody cared about the distro, they helped, cause the are helping for free, in the freetime anyway |
| 22:14.16 | nvz | Pedro420: lsmod lists loaded modules maybe do an lsmod | less cause there may be a lot |
| 22:14.19 | azeem | it's the more involved questions which get asked here, like compiling kernels etc. |
| 22:14.23 | azeem | Ubuntu differs here |
| 22:14.39 | xored | azeem: sure you can. But if you try to get more advanced, you try to get into it you need help, sometimes |
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| 22:14.43 | mhall | Pedro420: it's always 4:20 somewhere ;-) |
| 22:14.50 | azeem | xored: yes, but don't you see people get annoyed when the Ubuntu developers get paid for the work they are doing for free here? |
| 22:14.52 | nvz | Pedro420: or do lsmod | grep usb |
| 22:14.58 | nvz | Pedro420: will show you all the usb modules |
| 22:15.08 | xored | azeem: do they egt paid ? |
| 22:15.25 | azeem | xored: the Ubuntu developers? yes. |
| 22:15.35 | xored | azeem: and the debian ones not ? |
| 22:15.44 | nvz | I called my one buddy at 4:20, he was on his way to his 2nd job.. and I told him I'd take one to the head for all those friday nights he was out partying while I was at work. |
| 22:15.48 | aeronadix | lj |
| 22:15.53 | rdz | hi all, sorry to ask such a simple question, but i cannot find it out myself at the moment: how is the address of the dns-server set? |
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| 22:15.54 | abrotman | holy crap .. he's still whining |
| 22:15.58 | azeem | xored: no |
| 22:16.01 | nvz | abrotman: who? |
| 22:16.04 | skipp | hello |
| 22:16.07 | azeem | xored: nobody gets paid to do support in here |
| 22:16.09 | xored | azeem: ok, thats a other light, i see |
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| 22:16.19 | Nunquam_Fidelis | Does anyone know where I can get the deb package for Gaim 2.0 Beta 2? |
| 22:16.34 | nvz | Nunquam_Fidelis: what version of debian are you using? |
| 22:16.39 | azeem | xored: of course, the paid Ubuntu developers aren't even in #ubuntu anymore, offloading the support to unpaid community members |
| 22:16.41 | xored | azeem: thank you for explaining. |
| 22:16.43 | azeem | but that is a different matter |
| 22:16.46 | Goll | Nunquam_Fidelis, cvs and compile , 2.0 isn't in SID |
| 22:17.00 | Nunquam_Fidelis | I using Ubuntu, but I got the package somewhere before and it worked fine on Ubuntu. :-P |
| 22:17.10 | nvz | Nunquam_Fidelis: I though you said GIMP at first.. heh I havent been following GAIM lately.. GIMP 2.0 is in sarge :P |
| 22:17.13 | azeem | Nunquam_Fidelis: try in #ubuntu |
| 22:17.14 | xored | abrotman: why you even care ? you are handling like an kid in this situation really.. |
| 22:17.16 | dagbrown | rsz: That's in your /etc/resolv.conf, or there's a line you can put in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:17.26 | dagbrown | Er, sorry, rdz. |
| 22:17.28 | Nunquam_Fidelis | azeem: I'm asking for the debian package though. :-P |
| 22:17.30 | abrotman | xored: and your whining is called what? |
| 22:17.33 | naril | i have /dev/sda and /dev/sdb what seems to be functional is /dev/sdb. i want to make a complete backup/mirror of the current system to the other hd (they're both exactly the same size). how can i be sure which is the current system hd? |
| 22:17.35 | rdz | dagbrown, tnx a lot |
| 22:17.41 | nvz | Nunquam_Fidelis: whats new in GAIM? they got Video/Voice, and all that yet? |
| 22:17.44 | xored | abrotman: thats not whining, thats argueing.. |
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| 22:17.51 | abrotman | xored: if you say so |
| 22:17.55 | Nunquam_Fidelis | nvz: File transfers and DC work, at least on AIM now... |
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| 22:18.15 | xored | abrotman: ignore me, like you ignore my questions. |
| 22:18.17 | Nunquam_Fidelis | nvz: There's some other stuff that makes it look slightly nicer. |
| 22:18.25 | xored | abrotman: thats all, thank you |
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| 22:18.37 | curt_ | abrotman, apt-cache depends meld shows python, python, python-gtk2, python-glade2 and those are all the same version on both work and home... |
| 22:18.37 | azeem | Nunquam_Fidelis: I don't know of any unofficial gaim sources |
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| 22:18.39 | abrotman | xored: i have been .. i thought you went to #iptables :) |
| 22:18.39 | nvz | Nunquam_Fidelis: theres still not too many video/voice apps around yet.. especially for those chat networks. |
| 22:19.03 | nvz | I stopped using them long time ago when I found freenode, so I dont care :P |
| 22:19.09 | nvz | I dont want to see any of the people here :P |
| 22:19.22 | nvz | even the ones that look good probably arent decent most of the time |
| 22:19.51 | tuv | what do you guys think of fireflier vs. fwbuilder vs. shorewall? |
| 22:19.59 | nvz | probably in areas too dark for a camera to work in |
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| 22:20.25 | dmz | any pure-ftpd-mysql users here? |
| 22:21.02 | dmz | cd won't help :) have someone trying to do something with pure-ftpd |
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| 22:21.14 | nvz | cafuego: whens the last time you've fragged? |
| 22:21.22 | cafuego | nvz: fragged what? |
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| 22:21.40 | vin` | tuv: add firehol to the mix as well. |
| 22:21.45 | nvz | cafuego: a user in battle. like on your bzflag server or whatever you may play |
| 22:21.45 | cafuego | vsftpd with pam_mysql is no substitute |
| 22:22.02 | cafuego | nvz: Actually, the last time I did that is when I kicked your arse ;-) |
| 22:22.06 | nvz | heh |
| 22:22.13 | nvz | I need a video card still |
| 22:22.19 | nvz | maybe in the next week or two |
| 22:22.21 | cafuego | nvz: I got distarcted by Civ4 in the eman time |
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| 22:22.47 | nvz | I want a gamepad too while I am at it |
| 22:22.56 | cafuego | Sadly opengl games don't run very well on the Xgl server :-( |
| 22:23.13 | nvz | I want to test out the latest torcs its getting way better.. it was barely usable last time I used it |
| 22:23.23 | cafuego | nvz: Yes, gamepad good. I have an ms sidewinder pad |
| 22:24.00 | xored | !paste |
| 22:24.00 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:24.11 | cafuego | xored: what? |
| 22:24.18 | nvz | cafuego: I like the original sony playstation controller.. I had a RadioShack USB adapter for one in Tx my cousin had in his closet. they dont make em anymore. but there are many clones.. the closest thing I can find to the shape and feel of that is what I want. |
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| 22:24.44 | cafuego | but never use the PS anymore |
| 22:24.45 | nvz | cafuego: like 12 triggers, two analogs, and a digital in a nice little comfy package |
| 22:25.00 | nvz | cafuego: you have PS Controller -> USB adapters? |
| 22:25.06 | RedDrag0n | It's Sony, what can you expect? ;) |
| 22:25.14 | cafuego | this thing has a motion sensors though, which makes it great for flightsims |
| 22:25.23 | cafuego | nvz: No, no adapters |
| 22:25.23 | nvz | cafuego: they worked in bzflag too it was awesome |
| 22:25.36 | nvz | cafuego: 12 triggers was plenty for bzflag |
| 22:26.04 | nvz | heh |
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| 22:26.38 | strider | cafuego: compiled Xgl? |
| 22:26.43 | nvz | you got one for everything imaginable.. a restart, a pause, map functions, OSD functions, jumping, fire... |
| 22:27.17 | nvz | I like changing the Time of day a lot.. early morning or evening is when the textures look the best |
| 22:27.21 | Pedro420 | nvz: i did that lsmod | grep usb and there r only 2 and 1 is unused |
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| 22:27.40 | tbaa | Is there a program to replace "Derive" in windows? (a graph drawer and more..) |
| 22:27.48 | nvz | Pedro420: is the driver for USB Mass Storage loaded? I think its called usb-storage |
| 22:28.01 | cafuego | strider: No, just the bog-starndard dapper |
| 22:28.04 | nvz | Pedro420: you need to be root to load it if you need to, use modprobe |
| 22:28.14 | tbaa | I need a graph drawer/writer! |
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| 22:28.41 | strider | cafuego: ah, cos I'm waiting here for the modular X on sid ;). how's the performance? |
| 22:29.14 | Pedro420 | nvz: its not loaded, just usbcore |
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| 22:29.24 | nvz | there are lots of plotting programs but I've never used any to tell you whats good |
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| 22:29.44 | nvz | Pedro420: then load usb-storage and then you should see the device claimed as a USB Mass Storage device |
| 22:29.53 | tbaa | "plot" is the word I'm looking for, thanks nvz. |
| 22:30.03 | nvz | tbaa: yeah its the keyword. |
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| 22:30.40 | naril | "cd / ; tar -cf - .|gzip -c > /backup/root.tar.gz" -> does this backup the entire / partition? |
| 22:30.41 | Pedro420 | nvz: how do i load it ? |
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| 22:30.54 | nvz | Pedro420: you need to be root and modprobe usb-storage |
| 22:31.02 | joe_ | ah is a 2.6 kernel source availible for etch? |
| 22:31.09 | nvz | Pedro420: might want to check and see why the fuck its not loaded now. |
| 22:31.27 | nvz | Pedro420: it should be in your /etc/modules file which is a list of modules that are to be loaded when the computer boots |
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| 22:32.08 | nvz | Pedro420: If I setup your PC for those two mp3 players you got, and you use them.. it should have that USB storage driver loaded all the time |
| 22:32.23 | joe_ | PDO is currently down |
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| 22:33.29 | cusco | joe_: topic |
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| 22:33.42 | nvz | I should probably get some sleep but theres not really much chance of that happening since I slept good this weekend and I got two energy drinks sitting here |
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| 22:33.44 | Pedro420 | nvz: loaded now |
| 22:34.02 | nvz | Pedro420: did you see output about your camera? if not you can type dmesg to see the new messages |
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| 22:35.52 | nvz | Pedro420: you may want to try using some of them newfangled softwares now taht you got all them usb gadgets.. hotplug and udev and whatnot |
| 22:35.59 | Pedro420 | nvz: still not claimed |
| 22:36.01 | nvz | Pedro420: its suppose to automagically handle all that |
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| 22:36.41 | nvz | Pedro420: is the camera in the right mode for USB storage? did the USB host controller driver detect a new USB device that was not claimed when you plugged it in? |
| 22:36.42 | deadcat | whats a good image viewer that supports svg? gqview doesnt seem to work for me |
| 22:37.23 | nvz | I like gqview its not ideal but its pretty slick |
| 22:37.32 | nvz | I dont know wtf a svg is though |
| 22:37.38 | Agrajag- | deadcat: i suppose inkscape is an overkill for what you want? |
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| 22:38.17 | deadcat | Agrajag-: ya. thats pretty overkill. i just want to simply see the image (= |
| 22:38.34 | nvz | gqview doesnt have a whole LOT of features, but the ones it has are configurable enough that you cant really complain |
| 22:38.37 | deadcat | Agrajag-: gqview properties has svg checked. but it doesnt display it |
| 22:38.43 | Agrajag- | my firefox shows svg stuff |
| 22:38.50 | deadcat | Agrajag-: ah |
| 22:38.51 | deadcat | thanks |
| 22:38.52 | deadcat | hehe |
| 22:39.08 | nvz | I've seen many really nice photo viewers/editor/database that just lacked the common flexibility |
| 22:39.14 | joe_ | hmm there doesnt appear to be a kernel-source availible according to pdo.debian.net ... is that kernel-source avaiblie under a different deb name or has it been removed/no avail in etch? |
| 22:39.29 | joe_ | no/not |
| 22:39.33 | deadcat | Agrajag-: great idea. hehe |
| 22:39.47 | joe_ | kernel-source 2.6 |
| 22:39.53 | joe_ | excuse me |
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| 22:40.19 | nvz | Pedro420: is that gateway still up your house? |
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| 22:41.14 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 22:41.22 | setog3 | is it a website with debian tips , and comment about usefull package ? |
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| 22:41.47 | nvz | setog3: pardon? |
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| 22:42.26 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 22:42.27 | nvz | ribnitz: wb |
| 22:42.28 | setog3 | :D |
| 22:42.36 | nvz | :P ?! |
| 22:42.47 | tty | engrish |
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| 22:43.17 | ribnitz | Ok. problem as follows, one failing (hw) disk of 250G (Maxtor) a new samsung, of about the same capacity. |
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| 22:43.25 | nvz | tty: yeah I suspected he may not be speaking real english.. but I wasnt sure if maybe I was jumping in the middle of a conversation or what |
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| 22:43.35 | joe_ | ok .. thank you. it seems as thought the package is called 'linux-source*' |
| 22:43.36 | deadcat | ribnitz: maxtor failing. nothing new (= |
| 22:43.37 | setog3 | I search a website with user comment about the best debian package : like : oh oh , I love this package did you try this .. |
| 22:43.51 | ribnitz | Do I gain something with a mirrored set of software raid1? |
| 22:44.00 | nvz | setog3: what language do you speak? |
| 22:44.00 | rebellis | hi, i have a question. My gnone freeze at login time. It tries to check ~/.metacity/session/<anything>.ms". This file does not exist and gnome does not create one. Any tip about that? Thanks. |
| 22:44.16 | dondelelcaro | setog3: there really isn't such a thing. You can get an idea about which packages are popular by using popcon, but most other things just happen by word of mouth |
| 22:44.22 | nvz | setog3: you are searching for a website with ratings or comments on packages? |
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| 22:44.44 | ribnitz | The samsung is in theory SATA-2, but I dont know whether my mobo really does it. |
| 22:45.02 | setog3 | nvz, yes .. |
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| 22:45.30 | ribnitz | Problem is: the failing is like 50GB windows (front), 200GB linux (back). |
| 22:46.05 | tty | setog3: debian.org says what the package does .. google search may find better stuff www.google.com/linux "music player" "text editor" whatever your looking for |
| 22:46.16 | nvz | setog3: as he said, we have a program called popcon which is the debian package popularity contest. it enables users to submit anonymous data about the pacakges they select to rate their popularity. we use this for things like determining which cd in the set gets certain packages. |
| 22:46.43 | ribnitz | I wonder if raid would be any useful, once I get the (probably same) drive back from maxtor. |
| 22:46.54 | nvz | setog3: I dont know of any source with user comments on packages, other than maybe their description, changelogs, and their bug reports |
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| 22:47.27 | ribnitz | Ideas, comments, suggestions, etc? |
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| 22:48.00 | setog3 | ok thx |
| 22:49.02 | rebellis | Does anyone know about gnome freezing at login time? I searched google and found nothig useful... :-/ |
| 22:49.32 | nkuttler | rebellis: on sarge? |
| 22:49.34 | joe_ | I seem to remember needing a package before using a 2.6 kernel.. a MODULES problem iirc.. |
| 22:49.41 | rebellis | Yes. |
| 22:49.44 | nvz | rebellis: if you were as vague with google as you were with us, its no wonder it found nothing |
| 22:50.17 | nkuttler | rebellis: try to use something different than gnome, then a different (new) user |
| 22:50.18 | nvz | I'd check the BTS way before google. |
| 22:50.41 | nvz | and I'd try tearing the gnome session apart and troubleshooting before that |
| 22:50.46 | rebellis | Excuse myself. I tried to log in and gnome just freeze. I looked at the logs and found it looks for ./metacity/sessiont/1345431132fe32123.ms. |
| 22:50.47 | Pedro420 | nvz: yea its here |
| 22:50.56 | rebellis | This file does not exist. |
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| 22:51.04 | rebellis | Neither was created by gnome. |
| 22:51.22 | Pedro420 | nvz: the camera says usb connect on the screen |
| 22:51.38 | nvz | Pedro420: well I got Mike's HD and I need to setup debian on it.. I could set that up down here with his hd, and then connect to it from work tonight. and take him his hd back in the morning.. then I could come up there and smack that pc around and get that camera working real quick |
| 22:51.43 | joe_ | I remeber now.. module-init-tools |
| 22:51.45 | rebellis | I'm using WindowMaker right now. |
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| 22:51.54 | [Bart] | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.07 | nvz | Pedro420: I think I got the CPU and the RAM for it around here somewhere.. because IF I recall correctly you took your CPU and RAM out to put it in that DELL |
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| 22:52.24 | Pedro420 | nvz: okay yo |
| 22:52.27 | nvz | Pedro420: because yours was a 1ghz and it was a 667mhz or something |
| 22:52.41 | rebellis | When I do a rm -rf .gnome* on my home directory I can log again on gnome but my configurations are lost. |
| 22:52.55 | nvz | rebellis: you should mv instead of rm |
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| 22:53.03 | nvz | rebellis: that way you can mv them back after testing |
| 22:53.19 | nvz | rebellis: this narrows down that you have a configuration problem though, wtg :P |
| 22:53.30 | rebellis | :-) |
| 22:53.50 | nvz | rebellis: though if you rm -rf them it doesnt matter now because you have no configuration and thus no problem, so get the $#%!% out of here :P |
| 22:54.07 | rebellis | I'm trying to figure out what problem it is. I'm used to xfce but I have to use gnome now. |
| 22:54.20 | fyzix | Can anybody tell me where I can get involved in the APT development? I just cant find it |
| 22:54.24 | nvz | if you removed the configs there is no problem |
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| 22:55.06 | nvz | rebellis: you are suppose to mkdir .gnome.backup/; mv .gnome* .gnome.backup/ |
| 22:55.11 | rebellis | Yes. I removed the configs a dozen times but eventually gnome get freezed again when I try to log in. |
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| 22:55.52 | rebellis | Ok. I'll have a backup but the new configs just keep freezing gnome again. |
| 22:55.55 | nvz | rebellis: then you can move things back one at a time until you narrow it down, or you can read logs and strace and/or start X without a DM or DE and just from an xterm start each gnome componant from that teminal untill you see which one is not working |
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| 22:56.54 | rebellis | Thanks. I'm going to experiment what you tod me. Just in case a discover somenthing useful a tell you ;-) |
| 22:57.11 | nvz | rebellis: just stop your DM and startx and run gnome-panel, gnome-settings-daemon, nautilus -n.. etc maybe even each with a nohup and & to background them.. |
| 22:57.25 | nvz | rebellis: I wouldnt try loading gnome-session right off the bat.. I would load each piece manuall |
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| 22:58.00 | rebellis | ok. nvs, thanks for the advice |
| 22:58.08 | ribnitz | Heyas. |
| 22:58.11 | nvz | rebellis: gnome-panel is of course the panels, nautilus -n draws the desktop, gnome-settings-deamon manages a number of things, but the most notable will be it will load your icon theme on your desktop |
| 22:58.14 | ribnitz | Now I am really ready to go. |
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| 22:59.08 | ribnitz | Options are: BIOS-assisted (SW) raid - probably not supported by linux, md-driver software raid - what do I do with the windows partition, no raid -leave as is. |
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| 22:59.32 | rebellis | nvz: thanks. I'll will try it right now ;) |
| 23:00.24 | nvz | he already had some good troubleshooting techniques |
| 23:00.31 | disposable | what line should i add to my sources.list to be able to get rar from non-free? |
| 23:01.00 | nvz | he just needs some guidence.. once I get him understanding kernel system calls and shit he'll be a regular bug squasher |
| 23:01.05 | _rene_ | non-free? :O |
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| 23:01.13 | _rene_ | obviously. |
| 23:01.13 | Keith-BlindUser | Uh |
| 23:01.25 | Keith-BlindUser | I thought that Linux was generally Freeware? |
| 23:01.34 | nvz | Keith-BlindUser: dont ever say that again |
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| 23:01.48 | phogg | Keith-BlindUser: Linux is *NOT* freeware, it's Free Software. Big difference. |
| 23:01.56 | moriyah | can someone help me with moduser -p |
| 23:02.05 | nvz | Keith-BlindUser: you're lucky we didnt kill you just as soon as look at you for that one |
| 23:02.08 | deadcat | moriyah: moduser? or usermod? |
| 23:02.09 | nvz | heh |
| 23:02.13 | phogg | !tell Keith-BlindUserabout free |
| 23:02.16 | moriyah | usermod |
| 23:02.28 | deadcat | moriyah: have you man usermod yet? |
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| 23:02.34 | Keith-BlindUser | Although I suppose that could be for commursial reasons, I guess to make a product not free to the public therefore defieling the product; making it prapriatary closed source software. |
| 23:02.43 | disposable | do i just substitute 'main' for 'non-free' ?? |
| 23:02.58 | nkuttler | disposable: no, add it |
| 23:03.03 | tty | disposable: add it leave main |
| 23:03.08 | deadcat | disposable: no. add non-free contrib to the end of that line |
| 23:03.24 | amerv1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.34 | \amethyst | moriyah: you're wondering where to get the crypted password from? |
| 23:03.38 | disposable | nkuttler: i meant yanking it in vim, pasting and 'R'ing it, but didn't feel like typing the long version :) |
| 23:03.57 | moriyah | yes, and more importantly what to do if I didn't encrypt and updated a user |
| 23:04.02 | phogg | amerv1: what source are you trying to get engage from> |
| 23:04.08 | \amethyst | moriyah: then they can't log in |
| 23:04.13 | moriyah | no |
| 23:04.25 | disposable | deadcat: add 'non-free contrib' or 'non-free' and 'contrib' in the next line? |
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| 23:04.28 | deadcat | moriyah: then man it |
| 23:04.31 | \amethyst | moriyah: what do you mean? |
| 23:04.42 | Andy298 | doing a debian "perfect install" : http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_sarge_p4 |
| 23:04.51 | deadcat | disposable: no. it will look like this: deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
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| 23:04.54 | Talker | hi |
| 23:04.56 | Andy298 | im onto this... |
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| 23:04.58 | deadcat | thats mine |
| 23:04.58 | amerv1 | uhmmm...oh goodness.sorry i cannot remember...im in xchat MS Windows now temporarily... |
| 23:04.58 | Andy298 | openssl genrsa -des3 -rand /etc/hosts -out smtpd.key 1024 |
| 23:05.01 | moriyah | I mean they cannot loggin |
| 23:05.10 | disposable | deadcat: thank you |
| 23:05.11 | Andy298 | but it doesn't say what i should do for passphrase |
| 23:05.13 | amerv1 | sorry, i cannot remember what source..i have about 4 sources configured in synaptic |
| 23:05.15 | Andy298 | should i just random it? |
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| 23:05.25 | amerv1 | and none fo them can find the package engage |
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| 23:05.40 | \amethyst | moriyah: do passwd user as root, and type in a password by hand |
| 23:05.44 | phogg | amerv1: well, it's not in Debian. Try apt-get.org |
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| 23:06.33 | amerv1 | do you know any other means i can get engage? other than apt-get? |
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| 23:06.38 | moriyah | what ends up going in as password using usermod -p |
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| 23:06.55 | phogg | amerv1: you want to use apt, it;'s the best way to install stuff |
| 23:06.56 | amerv1 | like downloading a source and compiling it.....i could not find it in englightenment website |
| 23:07.09 | amerv1 | ok thank u phogg..i like apt also...and i'd much prefer to use that |
| 23:07.10 | deadcat | moriyah: -p is for if you have the passwd thats already hashed |
| 23:07.11 | amerv1 | :) |
| 23:07.29 | \amethyst | does usermod even know how to deal with shadow? |
| 23:07.42 | deadcat | yes |
| 23:07.56 | Andy298 | doing a debian "perfect install" : http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_sarge_p4 |
| 23:07.57 | deadcat | usermod -p blah will just put blah in /etc/shadow |
| 23:07.58 | Andy298 | openssl genrsa -des3 -rand /etc/hosts -out smtpd.key 1024 |
| 23:08.01 | Andy298 | but it doesn't say what i should do for passphrase |
| 23:08.03 | Keith-BlindUser | Installing applications from source can be a pain, especially if you've never tryed running an application from source like a ./Configure script or something. I hardly install from source-but sometimes I must if the application can't be found. |
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| 23:08.31 | nkuttler | Keith-BlindUser: what's your point? |
| 23:08.40 | deadcat | haha |
| 23:08.40 | nkuttler | doh! |
| 23:08.59 | RedDrag0n | errrr what the .... Oo xD |
| 23:09.08 | Keith-BlindUser | Main point is: why install from source at all? |
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| 23:09.38 | tty | Keith-BlindUser: no root access |
| 23:09.50 | \amethyst | aha, the "$1$" stuff is a feature of crypt(3) |
| 23:10.02 | deadcat | RedDrag0n: ya.. the long compile time is the dumb part |
| 23:10.11 | RedDrag0n | yes deadcat :( |
| 23:10.40 | Keith-BlindUser | Awww, now everynoe is sad? :'(? |
| 23:10.41 | RedDrag0n | there should be someone who does the compiling job and releases the package, but just that... let the others maintain the source - more stable that way I guess |
| 23:10.43 | tty | some gcc options can make a program slightly faster but the hassle of doing so isnt worth it |
| 23:10.47 | Keith-BlindUser | one |
| 23:11.08 | amerv1 | how do i install a *.deb package in debian? i am a newbie...what is the command? |
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| 23:11.10 | amerv1 | :) thank u |
| 23:11.18 | deadcat | !u |
| 23:11.19 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:11.35 | gravity | amerv1: dpkg -i |
| 23:11.36 | RedDrag0n | amerv1: dpkg -i whatever.deb |
| 23:11.41 | RedDrag0n | Lol |
| 23:11.44 | amerv1 | thank you both |
| 23:11.46 | Keith-BlindUser | What about this? |
| 23:11.48 | Keith-BlindUser | Laughing Out Loud |
| 23:11.49 | wireddd | amerv1, dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 23:11.50 | RedDrag0n | Welcome :P |
| 23:11.51 | Keith-BlindUser | !Meow |
| 23:11.59 | deadcat | gravity: nice job on 7.0 |
| 23:12.00 | amerv1 | :) |
| 23:12.04 | gravity | deadcat: Not done yet |
| 23:12.13 | gravity | Although I may upload the rest to experimental tonight |
| 23:12.18 | deadcat | cool |
| 23:12.25 | curt_ | dpkg knows everything |
| 23:12.25 | dpkg | Yes, I do, curt_. |
| 23:12.31 | amerv1 | could i apt-get VMWARE ? |
| 23:12.36 | Peacimowen | Is there a way of having multiple applications needing sound card access run at the same time? |
| 23:12.41 | amerv1 | apologies if its a stupid question |
| 23:12.41 | deadcat | gravity: xcompmgr and transset didnt even get to unstable and they are pretty much useless already (= |
| 23:12.49 | Keith-BlindUser | DPGK, if you know what everything is, then what is root? |
| 23:12.56 | Keith-BlindUser | Laughing Out Loud |
| 23:13.05 | Keith-BlindUser | !root |
| 23:13.05 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 23:13.19 | gravity | deadcat: Heh, well I haven't packaged glxcompmgr, xgl, or compiz yet, so they've still got a purpose |
| 23:13.21 | curt_ | !tell Keith-BlindUser about root |
| 23:13.34 | gravity | deadcat: Realistically, any WM worth a damn will have a compmgr built in anyway |
| 23:13.37 | gravity | One day |
| 23:13.49 | tty | amerv1: vmware is proprietary and costs www.vmware.com they give out trials |
| 23:13.55 | deadcat | gravity: one day. but that will take years for openbox (=. |
| 23:14.09 | amerv1 | ok thanks... |
| 23:14.12 | gravity | deadcat: Well, that's what glxcompmgr and compmgr will be for :-) |
| 23:14.18 | deadcat | ya (= |
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| 23:14.28 | \amethyst | Keith-BlindUser: if you can run code other people send you, there is the potential for trojans |
| 23:14.50 | \amethyst | Sometimes bugs in programs make them run code |
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| 23:15.08 | RedDrag0n | but no one bothers writing a linux virus :P |
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| 23:15.23 | amerv1 | i have two nvidia cards...one card boots debian ok, but dies after entering X....i have the nvidia linux drivers installed...the other nvidia card boots debian ok, and works perfectly..stable, no crashes like the other card....both cards work perfectly well in Windows.... |
| 23:15.24 | Peacimowen | linux is not immune, it's just a hell of a lot more secure. |
| 23:15.25 | amerv1 | what could be wrong? |
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| 23:15.29 | wireddd | it would be to hard for a linux virus to propogate |
| 23:15.36 | RedDrag0n | that too wireddd |
| 23:15.43 | Keith-BlindUser | One would have to gain root level access to the system prior to being an execution of code, thoguh, correct? programs can't just execute code gainst ones will. |
| 23:15.58 | Keith-BlindUser | Agsinst* |
| 23:16.06 | Keith-BlindUser | against |
| 23:16.09 | \amethyst | Keith-BlindUser: if the program is buggy it can |
| 23:16.16 | RedDrag0n | try configuring X amerv1 |
| 23:16.33 | Peacimowen | Programs can't change your system without root access, though. |
| 23:16.50 | amerv1 | i have reddragon..several times...the wierd thing is that they both work fine in windows, but only one works ok in linux |
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| 23:16.52 | \amethyst | They can change ~/ though |
| 23:17.27 | amerv1 | during boot also...one card doesnt display the little tux on boot...the other one does...could it be a problem with the chipset...? |
| 23:17.29 | ktw | hi folks. anyone here from north germany driving to fosdem? |
| 23:17.32 | amerv1 | but they are both nvidia |
| 23:17.34 | Keith-BlindUser | But the ~/ directory is vitle to the operations of Linux, I mean that's where /booot, /etc, etc exists. |
| 23:17.38 | RedDrag0n | that happens amerv1 :), well if you already edited it and have the correct drivers then I have no idea.... Oo |
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| 23:17.46 | Keith-BlindUser | boot* |
| 23:17.47 | \amethyst | Keith-BlindUser: ~/ is the home directory |
| 23:17.54 | deadcat | ktw: try #maps |
| 23:18.01 | RedDrag0n | the tux in the boot I guess that uses framebuffer though |
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| 23:18.44 | \amethyst | Keith-BlindUser: Could add some nastiness to your .bashrc maybe :) |
| 23:19.02 | bakon | i have a question: im a semi-newb is there a way to partition my already installed debian harddrive and take like 0gb out and format it to fat32(so linux and windows can read and write) without erasing anything? |
| 23:19.07 | \amethyst | or remove your entire home directory |
| 23:19.24 | ktw | deadcat: #maps? freenode channel? |
| 23:19.27 | deadcat | bakon: whats the point of taking out 0gb? |
| 23:19.32 | bakon | 20gb |
| 23:19.38 | bakon | meant to say like 20 haha |
| 23:19.39 | deadcat | ktw: give it a try |
| 23:19.44 | bakon | its my gel keybaord it sucks |
| 23:20.00 | \amethyst | bakon: resize2fs |
| 23:20.12 | \amethyst | bakon: resp. resize_reiserfs if you use reiser |
| 23:20.13 | ktw | deadcat: there's not a channel #maps on freenode |
| 23:20.18 | deadcat | o |
| 23:20.27 | bakon | thats already installed on debian? |
| 23:20.33 | bakon | sorry im sitll rough arund the edges |
| 23:20.35 | \amethyst | bakon: you'll have to run it from a boot CD, though, because you can't resize a mounted partition |
| 23:20.43 | ktw | deadcat: what is #maps? |
| 23:20.46 | bakon | ok and then when it autruns |
| 23:20.50 | bakon | i can resize then? |
| 23:21.14 | beware | is there a package for php5? |
| 23:21.27 | Keith-BlindUser | That wouldn't be good. Now; what if a program was writen to attack the kernel, cause a buffer overflow, etc? |
| 23:21.28 | \amethyst | !php5 |
| 23:21.29 | dpkg | well, php5 is in Etch but not in Sarge. For unofficial php5 packages for Sarge, ask me about dotdeb |
| 23:21.29 | ribnitz | bakon: generally, its not meaningfully possible to shrink partitions. |
| 23:21.37 | Keith-BlindUser | ritten |
| 23:21.45 | Keith-BlindUser | I remember once. |
| 23:21.49 | bakon | well i have 2 harddrives 1 windows 1 linux and my windows is full |
| 23:21.56 | bakon | and i wanted to steal some form linux |
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| 23:22.15 | ribnitz | bakon: I ogt a 3 drive toda,y because my second is about to die. |
| 23:22.20 | tty | bakon: quit using windows so much |
| 23:22.29 | \amethyst | ribnitz: Doesn't resize2fs repack things towards the beginning of the fs? |
| 23:22.30 | bakon | tryng |
| 23:22.31 | bakon | its the wife |
| 23:22.34 | RedDrag0n | that's hard tty xD |
| 23:22.36 | bakon | she wont take her laptop to get fixed |
| 23:22.41 | bakon | i love linux |
| 23:22.42 | Keith-BlindUser | I was on a distrobution of Linux, and had been reading about a "Forck Bomb attack" that had happened on someones Linux box. So I had a friend of mine execute a small script, and with in seconds my good box was brought to it's knees; actually had to reboot the box. |
| 23:22.47 | psychonate | damn systemcall script freezes xchat now :( |
| 23:22.47 | ribnitz | \amethyst: thats for ext2. |
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| 23:23.17 | Keith-BlindUser | It was an, urm: interesting, experience to say the least. |
| 23:23.18 | \amethyst | ribnitz: what do you use? |
| 23:23.39 | tty | Keith-BlindUser: unless you have processes limited the fork bomb in bash will crash it |
| 23:23.49 | ribnitz | \amethyst: xfs and jfs. jfs seems to be better for recovery, but slower. |
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| 23:24.09 | Keith-BlindUser | Yeah Heh. |
| 23:24.14 | \amethyst | ribnitz: ah, no, those don't support shrinking |
| 23:24.19 | \amethyst | afaik |
| 23:24.31 | \amethyst | I'm sure it's possible, but hasn't been written |
| 23:24.33 | ribnitz | \amethyst: no, they dont. |
| 23:24.38 | bakon | ill just format then |
| 23:24.43 | bakon | it seems itll be quicker |
| 23:24.48 | ribnitz | \amethyst: Its hard to do. |
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| 23:25.02 | RedDrag0n | format = best thing after ice cream (?) |
| 23:25.06 | Keith-BlindUser | Well I've got to reboot my box because of a few updates; so BBL. :). |
| 23:25.09 | bakon | thanks for the help guys |
| 23:25.12 | bakon | appreciate it |
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| 23:25.48 | tty | i think bakon is actually the windows dependant wife |
| 23:25.57 | RedDrag0n | haha |
| 23:26.21 | skipp | bye |
| 23:26.56 | disposable | i was about to install rar non-free when i learned it is shareware and i'd have to register it after 40 days. will i have to pay for it? what if i don't register it? |
| 23:27.20 | deadcat | my nvidia-settings show my Bus Type: PCI, my card is a 8x AGP 128MB, my MB bios can only handle 4X, i have nvidia, agpgart modules loaded (agpgart loads when nvidia is loaded), my xorg.conf has NvAGP 1. how can i set it so Bus Type shows AGP or something other than PCI? |
| 23:27.43 | strider | disposable: why install it in the first place? |
| 23:27.46 | justin | deadcat: do you have an actual problem? |
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| 23:27.57 | deadcat | justin: isnt that a problem? |
| 23:28.07 | justin | deadcat: does the card work? |
| 23:28.11 | deadcat | ya |
| 23:28.19 | justin | deadcat: then probably not |
| 23:28.26 | deadcat | yes it is |
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| 23:28.32 | justin | deadcat: does the card work? |
| 23:28.32 | amerv1 | how do i create a grub boot floppy? |
| 23:28.35 | disposable | strider: i want to do a comparison gzip, bzip, rzip, original lzw, arj, ace ... |
| 23:28.38 | deadcat | justin: somewhat |
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| 23:30.05 | tty | amerv1: try this site its great www.google.com/linux |
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| 23:30.47 | disposable | tty: it's not great. it doesn't list a lot of things normal google does. (i'm talking about linux things) |
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| 23:31.25 | tty | disposable: ive never seen it fail yet |
| 23:31.50 | amerv1 | thanks tty..i know about it..tried the steps it suggested, but got nowhere... |
| 23:32.07 | psychonate | hmm, K3B won't start: "k3b: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2: undefined symbol: FT_GlyphSlot_Embolden" |
| 23:32.08 | disposable | tty: you're feeling lucky then :) |
| 23:32.37 | gravity | psychonate: Install the version of xft from stable |
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| 23:33.07 | tty | ambrose: grub-install should have option to specify a location |
| 23:33.12 | tty | i mean amerv1 |
| 23:33.28 | amerv1 | thanks tty :) |
| 23:33.32 | amerv1 | i am reading up on it |
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| 23:34.39 | i3dmaster | I can create a reiser4 fs but how to mount it? |
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| 23:35.17 | RichiH | i3dmaster: you need a custom kernel for that |
| 23:35.24 | RichiH | reiser4 is not in the kernel, yet |
| 23:35.32 | Miesco | With vim, How would I change all the double quoted words to ``words'' instead of ''words''? Make "these words'' like ``these words" |
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| 23:35.58 | Miesco | I tried this :%s/\(".*"\)/\(``.*''\)/g |
| 23:36.00 | \amethyst | Miesco: what happens if you have ''this is a multi- \n line quote'' |
| 23:36.15 | \amethyst | Miesco: rather, what do you want to happen? |
| 23:36.15 | i3dmaster | RichiH, ok ic |
| 23:36.28 | BarryAllen | hi all, can i create an repository (apt) using to another distros (like fedora), using my debian box? |
| 23:36.35 | Miesco | I want to change all the first double quotes to ``, for latex |
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| 23:36.51 | \amethyst | Miesco: yes, but how do you distinguish between first and second? |
| 23:36.55 | azeem | BarryAllen: do you want to create it from scratch, or mirror it? |
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| 23:37.24 | azeem | BarryAllen: eh, you want to create an APT repo for fedora? |
| 23:37.25 | kippi | hey |
| 23:37.33 | Miesco | (").*(") |
| 23:37.34 | Miesco | I dont know |
| 23:37.37 | BarryAllen | azeem, yeap.... |
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| 23:37.43 | kippi | has anyone install jabber? and got a good how to? |
| 23:37.52 | Miesco | Is there any way to turn word perfect documents into latex? |
| 23:37.57 | RichiH | Miesco: what is wrong with %s/\(".*"\)/``.*''/g |
| 23:38.00 | azeem | BarryAllen: I guess you should ask in a fedora channel rather, then |
| 23:38.03 | BarryAllen | azeem, but i wanna use my debian server todo it :( |
| 23:38.07 | RichiH | \amethyst: he would need to make sure there are only pairs |
| 23:38.16 | BarryAllen | azeem, ok, tks |
| 23:38.22 | RichiH | Miesco: gc for extra security |
| 23:38.33 | kspath | Miesco: [A-Z,a-z] ring any bells in your head ? |
| 23:38.38 | \amethyst | Miesco: to fix your original regexp |
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| 23:38.43 | Peacimowen | What's a good option to use to have mutiple sound apps access the sound card? Googling, I've found aRTs & esd.. I'm just unsure which is better, or if there's a better option. |
| 23:38.58 | \amethyst | Miesco: %s/"\([^"]*\)"/``\1''/g |
| 23:39.06 | RichiH | kspath: you need numbers in there, too |
| 23:39.12 | jikbag | Peacimowen: i like alsa |
| 23:39.25 | RedDrag0n | lotsa people say Alsa, but I've never got it to be used by more than one app at a time :( |
| 23:39.39 | Miesco | Ahh it works!!! |
| 23:39.40 | kspath | RichiH: why? There was no specification of "words" starting with numbers |
| 23:39.48 | \amethyst | Miesco: still doesn't handle multi-line quotes properly |
| 23:39.58 | Peacimowen | I have alsa drivers. they do NOT allow more than one app to access sound. |
| 23:40.08 | kspath | RichiH: Though I do know why you are trying to say. I was only trying to get them to think. |
| 23:40.11 | Miesco | Good thing I dont have any multi-line quotes |
| 23:40.11 | RichiH | kspath: hmm, true. i just always assume number to be needed |
| 23:40.27 | nkuttler | Peacimowen: do you use gnome or kde? |
| 23:40.40 | jikbag | kippi: thanks |
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| 23:40.49 | Miesco | Is there like a set of regex's I could use to make a word document into latex, like make italics into \textem{} or something |
| 23:40.54 | \amethyst | kspath, RichiH: maybe I missed something... where do words come into play, regardless of whether 0-1 counts? |
| 23:40.56 | Peacimowen | nkuttler: Neither |
| 23:41.08 | Peacimowen | I run iceWM |
| 23:41.12 | kspath | RichiH: I am not going to hand hold anyone. They end up not remembering/learning if they only copy-paste what I tell them any way. |
| 23:41.20 | psychonate | gravity, do you happen to know what version that is? I usually check on packages.debian.org, but it's down atm |
| 23:41.23 | \amethyst | Miesco: wp2x perhaps? |
| 23:41.27 | RichiH | kspath: with perl, [\w\d] is far easier, anyway :) |
| 23:41.39 | bluefox83 | where can i find the unofficial debian repository for mplayer? |
| 23:41.42 | nkuttler | Peacimowen: hm, are you sure you use the alsa modules? not oss? |
| 23:41.53 | \amethyst | RichiH: \w already includes \d |
| 23:42.29 | nkuttler | bluefox83: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 23:42.29 | kspath | RichiH: perl was not mentioned as an option even though almost everything has perl in base install these days... |
| 23:42.29 | RichiH | \amethyst: argh |
| 23:42.29 | RichiH | \amethyst: this tells me it is time for bed |
| 23:42.29 | RichiH | kspath: and a good thing, also :) |
| 23:42.42 | RichiH | (i think gentoo does not come with perl, btw) |
| 23:42.53 | RichiH | they use python |
| 23:42.55 | gravity | psychonate: Sorry, not off the top of my head |
| 23:42.59 | kspath | RichiH: we are not ricers |
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| 23:43.06 | Miesco | \amethyst: Thanks! |
| 23:43.07 | RichiH | kspath: hehe |
| 23:43.14 | nvz | hmm I need some ram. |
| 23:43.20 | kspath | RichiH: python is fine if perl is there also |
| 23:43.35 | Peacimowen | nkuttler: I'm pretty sure I installed with ALSA and not OSS.. |
| 23:43.47 | \amethyst | nvz: www.icelandicsheep.com |
| 23:43.57 | RichiH | kspath: i object to using formatting as syntax defining |
| 23:44.02 | abrotman | psychonate: use pdo.debian.net .. or read the topic |
| 23:44.14 | ribnitz | IsEVMS worth the trouble over md (for a simple software-raid-1)? |
| 23:44.15 | abrotman | nvz: i knew you were a yinzer! |
| 23:44.17 | nvz | \amethyst: heh |
| 23:44.19 | RichiH | kspath: while there are obvious advantages when dealing with code from others, it is not worth the bother, imho |
| 23:44.27 | nvz | abrotman: whats that got to do with anything? |
| 23:44.31 | abrotman | nvz: the sheep! |
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| 23:44.39 | kspath | RichiH: today we are going to put this 2,000 HP engine into a VW bug and force the use of it original standard trans and watch the fun. We will paint gentoo on the sides for jollies. |
| 23:44.47 | psychonate | abrotman, touche |
| 23:45.05 | abrotman | psychonate: will you bring me middleswarth? |
| 23:45.30 | RichiH | kspath: you do not even have to go that far to make fun of gentoo. emerge sync takes a full 30 minutes on a dual opteron with 8 GB of ram |
| 23:45.39 | psychonate | abrotman, now you've lost me :( |
| 23:45.47 | abrotman | psychonate: the chips .. the BBQ chips! |
| 23:45.48 | RichiH | kspath: though admittedly, they _know_ the current portage sucks and want to replace it soon |
| 23:45.53 | psychonate | abrotman, OH |
| 23:46.09 | BarryAllen | azeem, so u know if there are a way to configure yum, in a debian box? |
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| 23:46.14 | RichiH | (emerge sync is what we call apt-get update) |
| 23:46.19 | kspath | RichiH: if they just replace all the gentoo stuffs with debian that will fix most of it |
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| 23:46.27 | nvz | well I found enough ram to boot this thing, but I dont know how far itll get me :P |
| 23:46.32 | renquanta | RichiH: no kidding about Gentoo. I just switched this weekend to Debian from Gentoo. Reason #1? Source-code only package management suckws |
| 23:46.33 | psychonate | abrotman, they're good, but I dunno if they best utz heh |
| 23:46.35 | tty | BarryAllen: wouldnt it be easier to use apt-get ? |
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| 23:46.48 | psychonate | abrotman, btw, sour cream and onion > bbq ;) |
| 23:46.51 | abrotman | psychonate: Utz SC&O are better .. but middleswarth BBQ easily win |
| 23:46.53 | \amethyst | I remember the fun old days of compiling everything by hand |
| 23:47.00 | RichiH | renquanta: in 99% of all cases it does, yes |
| 23:47.03 | \amethyst | Upgrading X was always *loads* of fun |
| 23:47.05 | BarryAllen | tty, i have some clients using fedora, and i would like to use my debian to serve it... |
| 23:47.07 | azeem | BarryAllen: no |
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| 23:47.31 | kspath | BarryAllen: debtakeover |
| 23:47.48 | tty | BarryAllen: you can set up nfs/http lot sof thigns to give them .rpm |
| 23:48.02 | RichiH | kspath: is debtakeover a sucessor to debootstrap? |
| 23:48.12 | tty | BarryAllen: i would just make them use debian |
| 23:48.17 | abrotman | RichiH: predesccesuor |
| 23:48.19 | kspath | RichiH: I was just being a jerk. |
| 23:48.24 | RichiH | ah, k |
| 23:48.26 | abrotman | wow .. nice attempt at british spelling |
| 23:48.26 | _rene_ | neither of it |
| 23:48.28 | BarryAllen | tty, ... ok sorry to worry u, ok? |
| 23:48.44 | _rene_ | debootstrap is for bootstrapping a debian system |
| 23:48.47 | RichiH | so, anyway, /me bed |
| 23:48.48 | asg | abrotman: we spell most things like 'cor' and 'wotcha' |
| 23:48.52 | abrotman | RichiH: they also do different things .. |
| 23:48.54 | RichiH | have fun, you bunch |
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| 23:48.58 | asg | RichiH: night |
| 23:49.01 | justin | debtakeover USES debootstrap |
| 23:49.03 | _rene_ | debtakeovber is/was for taking over a let's say rh/suse etc system without reinstalling |
| 23:49.04 | BarryAllen | kspath, debtakeover? |
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| 23:49.05 | RichiH | oi asg! |
| 23:49.11 | asg | RichiH: :) |
| 23:49.13 | RichiH | and bye asg, too :) |
| 23:49.15 | _rene_ | and make it debian |
| 23:49.19 | tty | BarryAllen: no worrys to me :) yum can use local directorys and remote .. ect ect. lots of ways to do what you need |
| 23:49.20 | abrotman | _rene_: my understanding is you can use debootstrap from a RH system also .. |
| 23:49.22 | abrotman | but oh well |
| 23:49.31 | kspath | BarryAllen: give them netinstall mini-CDs and that will solve their problem |
| 23:49.40 | abrotman | i'm not even aware debtakeover is still being worked on |
| 23:49.59 | _rene_ | abrotman: yes, but not to change your *runnig* system in-place |
| 23:50.13 | renquanta | newb question - how do I get a list of currently installed software packages? |
| 23:50.16 | _rene_ | abrotman: you can debootstrap to a other partition/chroot/whatever, yes |
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| 23:50.17 | abrotman | dpkg -l |
| 23:50.25 | renquanta | whee, thanks! |
| 23:50.34 | _rene_ | which is something different debtakeover tried to do |
| 23:50.37 | \amethyst | !installed |
| 23:50.37 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 23:50.39 | abrotman | _rene_: gotcha .. see . it's so much easier to do a fresh install :) |
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| 23:51.33 | abrotman | let's shoot asg |
| 23:51.44 | renquanta | dpkg: thanks. But what do you mean man this, man that? (Just kidding!! ;-) |
| 23:51.44 | dpkg | renquanta: sure thing |
| 23:51.53 | abrotman | we can stuff his head .. hang it above the door as our mascot |
| 23:51.55 | Azar | don't shoot the asg he is a valuable asset here |
| 23:51.58 | nemontemi | rebellis: oi |
| 23:52.25 | rebellis | nemo: olá! |
| 23:52.28 | kspath | abrotman: I think asg is going to get you! |
| 23:52.28 | psychonate | bah! Do I need to have the stable repository in my sources.list to get stable packages (if I'm on testing)? |
| 23:52.44 | abrotman | he can't catch me! |
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| 23:52.52 | abrotman | psychonate: uh .. yeah |
| 23:53.02 | ArthurB | Hi, I have some trouble setting up a machine... the network doesn't work and I don't really know how to figure out where the problem lies (missing driver, configuration ?, brokent card ?) |
| 23:53.18 | rebellis | nemontemi: humm.. |
| 23:53.19 | ribnitz | to install evms, do I need anything else than evms, and the patch (is the stock debian kernel patched)? |
| 23:53.42 | abrotman | ArthurB: dmesg | grep eth .. see anything ? |
| 23:53.42 | psychonate | abrotman, dumb question, you ask? Perhaps, Perhaps. |
| 23:53.43 | abrotman | erm |
| 23:53.43 | abrotman | ArthurB: dmesg | grep -i eth .. see anything ? |
| 23:53.47 | Azar | ArthurB: first see what Ethernet card you have, then see if you got the module for it |
| 23:53.49 | ArthurB | yup |
| 23:53.53 | ArthurB | i see it |
| 23:53.56 | abrotman | lspci might help also |
| 23:53.59 | ArthurB | it's an e100 |
| 23:54.04 | ribnitz | ArthurB: Do you use DHCP? (Configure automatically). If so, do you get an address? |
| 23:54.04 | ArthurB | well the e100 driver is used |
| 23:54.05 | abrotman | ArthurB: did you load the e100 module ? |
| 23:54.19 | ArthurB | yep |
| 23:54.42 | ArthurB | lsmod | grep e100: |
| 23:54.43 | ArthurB | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.43 | ArthurB | mii 5248 1 e100 |
| 23:54.43 | abrotman | is it dhcp? |
| 23:54.53 | ArthurB | dhcp says network is down |
| 23:55.04 | disposable | which program creates .Z files? |
| 23:55.09 | abrotman | ifconfig -a ... which device is it ? |
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| 23:55.18 | abrotman | disposable: zip ? |
| 23:55.19 | ArthurB | eth9 |
| 23:55.20 | ArthurB | eth0 |
| 23:55.22 | ArthurB | sorry |
| 23:55.29 | abrotman | dhclient eth0 .. any errors ? |
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| 23:55.35 | streuner | disposable: file foo.Z |
| 23:55.38 | ArthurB | yep, network is down |
| 23:55.51 | abrotman | ArthurB: and if you give it a static IP ? |
| 23:56.01 | ArthurB | now, there is a dhcp server available |
| 23:56.19 | Azar | dhcp or fixed ip? what do you like? |
| 23:56.22 | justin | ArthurB: that doesn't do you any good if the cable isn't plugged in |
| 23:56.23 | ArthurB | at each dhcpdiscover request it says send_packet: network is down |
| 23:56.32 | ArthurB | the cable is plugged in :) |
| 23:56.34 | disposable | streuner: i don't have such file. i want to create one |
| 23:56.49 | Azar | ethernet cable or crossover cable? |
| 23:56.51 | disposable | streuner: i'll search for one then |
| 23:56.54 | octoberdan | I started upgrading from backports and I'm now running on an unstable/testing version of sarge... well, things eventually crashed and dependencies were broken, and I want to go back... Is there anyway I can downgrade everything to the stable version? |
| 23:56.57 | streuner | disposable: why the hell you need a .Z file? |
| 23:57.06 | ArthurB | and the leds are on at the back of the card |
| 23:57.18 | disposable | streuner: my module project. compression algorithms |
| 23:57.19 | abrotman | ArthurB: great .. try a static IP |
| 23:57.34 | Azar | ArthurB: describe your network, what box is serving which other? |
| 23:57.40 | streuner | disposable: its a older format, like cpio or such |
| 23:57.52 | ArthurB | this machine works great with dhcp on the same network |
| 23:58.04 | ArthurB | same cable |
| 23:58.04 | ribnitz | disposable: They are created using compress, its a lousy algorithm though. |
| 23:58.07 | Azar | ArthurB: describe your network configuration |
| 23:58.08 | abrotman | ArthurB: but not that NIC? |
| 23:58.21 | *** join/#debian Pratico (n=pscabral@20151097144.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 23:58.22 | ArthurB | sorry NIC ? |
| 23:58.23 | abrotman | ArthurB: uname -a .. lspci .. what network device is it ? |
| 23:58.24 | abrotman | !nic |
| 23:58.24 | dpkg | nic is, like, (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 23:58.31 | disposable | ribnitz: thank you |
| 23:58.39 | abrotman | htfdpnkwnici?!?! |
| 23:58.46 | ArthurB | intel corp. 82801BA/BAM/CAM |
| 23:58.52 | abrotman | and your kernel? |
| 23:58.53 | ribnitz | disposable: If you want something recent, use gzip or bzip2 |
| 23:58.54 | justin | ArthurB: did you install anything strange on that box, like ifplugd? |
| 23:58.57 | psychonate | What's the best way to dist-upgrade, except one package? |
| 23:58.59 | *** join/#debian xhie (n=xhie3@dhcp22-26.laptops.USF.EDU) |
| 23:59.03 | ArthurB | 2.6.12-9 |
| 23:59.07 | *** part/#debian Pratico (n=pscabral@20151097144.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 23:59.12 | ArthurB | nope, it's a fresh kubuntu install |
| 23:59.17 | Azar | :( bahhhh |
| 23:59.19 | abrotman | ArthurB: please go to #kubuntu |
| 23:59.24 | ribnitz | psychonate: apt-get-update;apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:59.25 | ArthurB | come on |
| 23:59.32 | disposable | ribnitz: i've got almost all of them. even ncompress - i just didn't know it was the one responsible for .Z |
| 23:59.32 | \amethyst | ribnitz: disposable is doing a survey of compression utilities, I think |
| 23:59.34 | abrotman | i don't have a freaking clue what kind of drivers they have in thier kernels |
| 23:59.37 | ArthurB | just forget that and pretend i's a sarge |
| 23:59.44 | abrotman | sarge has 2.6.8 |
| 23:59.47 | psychonate | ribnitz, er, I need to exclude one package though |