| 00:00.04 | SerajewelKS | is there a builtin shell shortcut for `which ___`? so i don't have to keep typing 'xinit `which xine`' |
| 00:00.05 | Azar | someone instruct dpkg to divert ubuntus kunbutus to their channels |
| 00:00.06 | ArthurB | with a custom kernel :) |
| 00:00.32 | ribnitz | psychonate: dpkg --get-selections > foo, edit file, cat foo |dpkg --set-selections |
| 00:00.32 | Azar | ArthurB: you want a custom kernel, learn to configure drivers for it |
| 00:00.37 | justin | ArthurB: except that ubuntu comes with many things that sarge does not |
| 00:00.42 | ArthurB | you sure the driver is to blame ? |
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| 00:00.44 | SerajewelKS | !kubuntu |
| 00:00.45 | dpkg | [kubuntu] ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, or #Kubuntu, or another debian ripoff |
| 00:00.48 | SerajewelKS | ArthurB: ^^^ |
| 00:00.53 | thingfish | Azar: I'm for putting "Get lost if you're running anything but Debian" in the /topic. ;) |
| 00:00.58 | nvz | I think I just found a bug in D-I with some sloppy typing in the partitioner |
| 00:01.08 | abrotman | nvz: pebkac! |
| 00:01.13 | octoberdan | Did anyone answer my question? I had to run to the bathroom and can't scroll up |
| 00:01.21 | Azar | thingfish: there is a redirection thingie triggered by a keyword (unbutu) |
| 00:01.33 | justin | octoberdan: what kind of peice of shit irc client are you using that can't scroll up? |
| 00:01.34 | thingfish | Azar: should be ban. |
| 00:01.35 | octoberdan | I can't run X because XFree86 can't find my mouse :-( |
| 00:01.40 | ArthurB | that's mean, it's probably a debian network configuration specific problem I HIGHLY dubt it's ubuntu related |
| 00:01.41 | nvz | abrotman: if you accident hit \ at the end of a partition label trying to press enter it screws up so you cant edit the label anymore |
| 00:01.43 | abrotman | octoberdan: no . there isn't |
| 00:01.51 | SerajewelKS | ArthurB: we don't know or care about kubuntu. we can't support every distro that's based on debian. ask them. |
| 00:01.53 | abrotman | nvz: yay! . file big bug! |
| 00:01.54 | ribnitz | octoberdan: thats no reason, irssi-text. |
| 00:01.54 | Azar | thingfish: no, I know there are gadgets like that on ircs |
| 00:02.06 | disposable | ribnitz: i've a 673GiB file to test it on university's cluster and dact, ace, arj, rar, rzip, bzip, bzip2, gzip, zip, ncompress, fastjar, original-lzw to test it with :) |
| 00:02.09 | SerajewelKS | ArthurB: are you using kubuntu? yeah? then it's kubuntu related. |
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| 00:02.29 | octoberdan | I guess I'll try to get X working again and then just wait for stable releases beyound what I already have... he he he? |
| 00:02.31 | nvz | abrotman: I had to delete the partition and start over |
| 00:02.35 | octoberdan | Thanks anyways guys. |
| 00:02.36 | octoberdan | and girls |
| 00:02.37 | Azar | ArthurB: don't come here trying to use Debian methods to screw up your kunbutu |
| 00:02.44 | ArthurB | *sigh* |
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| 00:03.05 | SerajewelKS | ... of relief |
| 00:03.10 | ribnitz | disposable: I dont want to spoil your results, but bzip2 might come out smallest. Also are you testing for size, or speed? |
| 00:03.14 | abrotman | nvz: hehe |
| 00:03.43 | disposable | ribnitz: everything. i suspect either rzip or 7zip will win |
| 00:04.00 | deadcat | can i make this better? case "$iface" in --> wlan*|eth*|br*) <-- |
| 00:04.06 | deadcat | too much * |
| 00:04.17 | Azar | SerajewelKS: I managed to get rid of the pesky bruteforce zombies off my logs |
| 00:04.17 | ribnitz | disposable: there's always a tradeoff between size, and speed. Its called complexity. |
| 00:04.20 | abrotman | [wlan|eth|br]* ? |
| 00:04.23 | abrotman | ask #bash |
| 00:04.30 | deadcat | #bash is not helping me |
| 00:04.33 | disposable | ribnitz: :) |
| 00:04.37 | abrotman | ask #greycatisgod |
| 00:04.39 | deadcat | abrotman: that seems to work |
| 00:05.21 | streuner | disposable: man uncompress |
| 00:05.21 | abrotman | !mooo |
| 00:05.21 | dpkg | methinks mooo is ...try apt-get moo and aptitude moo (ask me about aptitude moo to get help with it, hint: -v.... ;) |
| 00:05.25 | nvz | abrotman: not only does it make it so you cant change the label anymore, but it also brings the rese3rved blocks option up on to the same line and you cant edit it either, and if you delete it and create a new partition and select the same mount point it puts it back to that label and screws up again.. heh |
| 00:05.25 | abrotman | whoops |
| 00:05.38 | streuner | !find uncompress |
| 00:05.46 | abrotman | nvz: go to the console .. use fdisk instead of cfdisk |
| 00:05.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'uncompress' (6 of 22): (/bin/uncompress) in utils/gzip ;; (/lib/uncompress.o) in libs/zlibc ;; (/usr/bin/uncompress.real) in utils/ncompress ;; (/usr/share/ghc-6.4.1/icons/uncompress.xbm) in devel/ghc6 ;; (/usr/share/ghc-6.5/icons/uncompress.xbm) in devel/ghc-cvs ;; (/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/smart/uncompress.py) in admin/smartpm. |
| 00:06.05 | evilbulgarian | hi, is there a way i can monitor ( log ) the times users log in and out of my smb pdc? |
| 00:06.06 | nvz | abrotman: I am just going to proceed with that label.. its not hurting anything that I can see |
| 00:06.29 | nvz | abrotman: I just found a glitch in the partitioner on D-I that a fat fingered PEBKAC may run into |
| 00:06.37 | abrotman | nvz: time for a diet |
| 00:06.37 | ribnitz | evilbulgarian: use PAM |
| 00:06.45 | abrotman | evilbulgarian: ask #samba ? |
| 00:06.56 | evilbulgarian | abrotman: did no answer |
| 00:06.59 | ribnitz | that too. |
| 00:07.05 | evilbulgarian | ribnitz: can u explain a little more |
| 00:07.22 | abrotman | !piav |
| 00:07.22 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 00:07.33 | nvz | abrotman: what do you file against to file a bug on that? |
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| 00:08.08 | abrotman | nvz: i think it's debian-installer .. |
| 00:08.08 | jikbag | !rsync |
| 00:08.08 | dpkg | rsync is, like, a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 00:08.21 | nvz | abrotman: it should either ignore it, propmt you to change the invalid lable, or take it without compromising the curses dialog |
| 00:08.21 | abrotman | nvz: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=debian-installer |
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| 00:08.38 | psychonate | ribnitz, in answer to my own question, I just discovered the wonders of /etc/apt/preferences |
| 00:08.39 | ribnitz | evilbulgarian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluggable_authentication_module |
| 00:08.50 | melkor | A silly question...I have both xserver-xfree86 and xserver-xorg installed, I only need one of them don't I? And I should remove the xfree86 variant, correct? |
| 00:09.00 | abrotman | melkor: sure |
| 00:09.12 | melkor | thanks |
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| 00:09.22 | nvz | abrotman: if I could decide on the proper behavior I'd try and submit a patch.. but things like that will keep me in debate forever.. I need someone laying out specs for me to program I cant be left to make desisions |
| 00:09.24 | melkor | should I just remove or remove/purge? |
| 00:09.38 | abrotman | nvz: i wouldn't bother ... might already be fixed in etch |
| 00:09.49 | nvz | abrotman: maybe I could check sometime |
| 00:09.59 | jmg | does anyone know how to get mail to send directly to the remote mta? |
| 00:10.02 | abrotman | nvz: or you could just send a bug :) |
| 00:10.12 | abrotman | jmg: your ISP may not allow it |
| 00:10.16 | jmg | not using exim or any local mta or even a smarthost |
| 00:10.19 | nvz | abrotman: it sucks all the bugs I find are simple and usually solved already |
| 00:10.21 | jmg | abrotman: irrelevant |
| 00:10.27 | ribnitz | nvz: jumping off bridges wih ropes attached to various body parts (preferably not head) is fun |
| 00:10.28 | abrotman | you sure? |
| 00:10.32 | jmg | abrotman: yes |
| 00:10.40 | delire_work | ribnitz: really, do tell? |
| 00:10.42 | jmg | abrotman: since i am delivering directly to my mta from remote |
| 00:10.42 | abrotman | jmg: so you want to use your MUA to send directly to your MTA? |
| 00:10.50 | nvz | ribnitz: whats that got to do with anything? |
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| 00:10.56 | disposable | my apt just said: "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-1-686 was been altered. Cannot update." who wrote that? :) |
| 00:10.56 | jmg | abrotman: yes to send a notification |
| 00:11.05 | abrotman | jmg: there's no ISP in the way? |
| 00:11.14 | abrotman | disposable: dpkg did ? |
| 00:11.14 | Azar | disposable: god |
| 00:11.15 | garnett | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.19 | jmg | abrotman: there is, but im not using their mail server |
| 00:11.20 | delire | ribnitz: i'd prefer if the rope was in some way, how should i say it, 'elastic'. |
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| 00:11.31 | disposable | abrotman: dpkg does typos? |
| 00:11.36 | abrotman | jmg: hehe .. yes .. but they may not allow port 25 transmission other than thier mail server |
| 00:11.44 | Guerin | disposable: read the changelog |
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| 00:11.50 | abrotman | disposable: find the maintainer? |
| 00:12.03 | Azar | abrotman, my ISP allowed me, only thing, I am clueless of how to install a mail server |
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| 00:12.13 | abrotman | Azar: probably a good hting :) |
| 00:12.26 | Azar | abrotman, you speak like a wise man allways |
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| 00:12.32 | \amethyst | jmg: I don't think mail(1) has an option for that |
| 00:12.35 | mhall | What's the chmod mode string to add setgid to a directory? |
| 00:12.36 | abrotman | Azar: don't tell anyone else |
| 00:12.41 | \amethyst | jmg: afaik it uses sendmail(8) to send everything |
| 00:12.41 | Azar | yes they freed me the port 25 but as you said, not all ISP will be so nice |
| 00:12.41 | octoberdan | irssi is the best irc client of all time |
| 00:12.43 | nvz | I dont think an AI that is human enough to make ligitimate human error is anywhere in the near future |
| 00:12.49 | octoberdan | Thank you too whomever suggusted it |
| 00:12.54 | nvz | so a bot making typos isnt likely, it was a user |
| 00:13.03 | abrotman | \amethyst: but if his ISP doesn't allow port 25 traffic (which it shouldn't) it won't matter |
| 00:13.03 | aeronadix | octoberdan, whats so good about it |
| 00:13.06 | jmg | abrotman: they do |
| 00:13.19 | abrotman | jmg: telnet <mailserver> 25 .. get anything? |
| 00:13.29 | \amethyst | abrotman: You misunderstand the question, I think |
| 00:13.32 | jmg | \\aethyst: yes so how do i do it with that |
| 00:13.33 | Azar | jmb are you 100% sure? EArthlink did not allowed me so I moved to Covad |
| 00:13.33 | nvz | I think as/if AI advances it will not become more human, but less |
| 00:13.36 | jmg | abrotman: yes i do |
| 00:13.40 | jmg | abrotman: my banner |
| 00:13.47 | \amethyst | jmg: that goes though your local mta |
| 00:13.52 | \amethyst | jmg: hmm |
| 00:13.55 | abrotman | \amethyst: uhm .. afaict . he asked how to send mail from his client machine through his own server |
| 00:13.56 | jmg | abrotman: and i can send directly to it through telnet |
| 00:14.15 | \amethyst | abrotman: he asked how to get mail(1) to send directly instead of using the local MTA |
| 00:14.16 | jmg | abrotman: without using smarthost |
| 00:14.19 | jmg | yes |
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| 00:14.28 | jmg | amethyst got it |
| 00:14.38 | jmg | but i dont mind using sendmail or another app |
| 00:14.39 | abrotman | <jmg> does anyone know how to get mail to send directly to the remote mta? .. kind of vague |
| 00:14.48 | jmg | if its too hard ill just use python email |
| 00:15.02 | abrotman | you may have to |
| 00:15.10 | \amethyst | jmg: I think that's probably the best option |
| 00:15.14 | jmg | i *know* there is a way to make mail(1) deliver direct |
| 00:15.18 | abrotman | eep .. lag! |
| 00:15.18 | jmg | i just dont know the option |
| 00:15.32 | jmg | and its not obvious from man |
| 00:15.48 | ribnitz | Anyone here using evms? |
| 00:15.54 | jmg | it may involve sendmail |
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| 00:16.06 | mhall | What's the chmod mode string to add setgid to a directory? |
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| 00:16.10 | Azar | jmb tons of howtos out there, just have to dig a bit |
| 00:16.11 | dondelelcaro | jmg: mail invokes sendmail, which calls the local mta |
| 00:16.31 | ribnitz | mhall: g+s |
| 00:16.37 | Yvette | i have problem with display. how to reconfigure display? |
| 00:16.38 | abrotman | mhall: man chmod .. 2### |
| 00:16.38 | dondelelcaro | indeed, doing anything but calling /usr/sbin/sendmail to send mail is generally not a good idea |
| 00:16.40 | octoberdan | aeronadix: Auto completetion, cool looking interface, and I can scroll up |
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| 00:17.06 | \amethyst | jmg: just wondering, is there a reason you don't want to go through the local MTA? |
| 00:17.07 | Yvette | it's like dpkg-reconfigure *** |
| 00:17.10 | mhall | lol i should have checked the bot to do it but i didn't |
| 00:17.10 | ribnitz | octoberdan: did I spoil you? |
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| 00:17.19 | mhall | dondelelcaro: what's bad about connecting to port 25 to do the job |
| 00:17.20 | nvz | maybe I'll swing by #debain-boot later get the latest installer and see if I can reproduce my bug |
| 00:17.25 | octoberdan | ribnitz: I think so :-D |
| 00:17.37 | nejc | well hello again - i have a weird issue... network card just stopped working in the laptop |
| 00:17.44 | dondelelcaro | mhall: no queuing, no fault recovery, 25 may be blocked save to specific hosts, etc. |
| 00:17.49 | ribnitz | octoberdan: I use the sam,e in a text console (one of many windows) |
| 00:17.55 | Neikius | i don't get the usual green light |
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| 00:18.07 | Neikius | while the thing works in windows |
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| 00:18.09 | melkor | abrotman: I removed xserver-xfree86 and and xfree86-common, both of which I had installed (no idea how), I still have the xorg variants, so all should be ok, thanks for your help |
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| 00:18.39 | Neikius | network card is via900, detected, module present |
| 00:18.42 | deadcat | melkor: did you use tasksel during the install? |
| 00:18.44 | abrotman | melkor: hopefully .. |
| 00:19.03 | melkor | nah deadcat, running Libranet GNU/Linux, doesn't use tasksel |
| 00:19.08 | Neikius | it just reports network down, so where's the catch, what can I do? why dont I even get a link in linux but it works in windows... |
| 00:19.22 | melkor | stupid X server won't work when I use the proprietary Nvidia drivers |
| 00:19.27 | abrotman | no comment |
| 00:19.40 | i3dmaster | does any1 mount cifs from winxp sp2 successfully? |
| 00:20.06 | mhall | i3dmaster: if you mean samba, yes |
| 00:20.09 | melkor | i3dmaster: you mean mounting a windows file system via samba? |
| 00:20.19 | melkor | if so, yes, it works |
| 00:20.26 | melkor | need >= samba 3 |
| 00:20.26 | justin | Neikius: you mean sis900 |
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| 00:20.44 | abrotman | no |
| 00:20.44 | i3dmaster | mhall,melkor, right. then I need help. I always got failed |
| 00:20.52 | fuubu | >>>>>>>buy pixel puer 1cent<<<<<< |
| 00:20.52 | mhall | !tell melkor about based on debian |
| 00:20.53 | fuubu | http://www.100dollarhomepage.er1.be |
| 00:20.53 | fuubu | >>>Own a piece of internet history<<< |
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| 00:21.00 | mhall | !tell melkor about debian based |
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| 00:21.10 | Neikius | justin: yes, sory; its so wicked that I got all messed up |
| 00:21.11 | abrotman | i'm not even sure what kind of spam that was |
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| 00:21.20 | jmg | amethyst: local mta is smarthosted to an smtp proxy server. if that proxy server goes away i need to send a notification directly |
| 00:21.32 | mhall | abrotman: the lamest imaginable kind |
| 00:21.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 00:21.39 | \amethyst | abrotman: not a very ambitious one |
| 00:21.41 | Ronin | mhall: there any other kind? |
| 00:21.42 | abrotman | mhall: click it .. let me know what it is :) |
| 00:21.43 | i3dmaster | this is the cmd I used: mount.cifs //superbox/game /mnt/netdriver --verbose -o user=my_user_name |
| 00:21.46 | jmg | \\amthyst: its a 3 line python script |
| 00:21.53 | delire | abrotman: he left in time, else he really would've really made internet history. |
| 00:21.56 | i3dmaster | but I got mount error 13 = Permission denied |
| 00:21.57 | mhall | abrotman: it's a cheap knockoff of the million dollar homepage |
| 00:21.58 | dondelelcaro | jmg: you should have multiple smarthosts that the proxy server is sending.. |
| 00:21.58 | abrotman | i3dmaster: smbclient ? |
| 00:22.02 | melkor | mhall: I know it's not Debian, but it is very very close to Debian, most probably the closest to Debian out of any of the derivatives ;) |
| 00:22.04 | abrotman | Delgul_at_work: he woudl have ? |
| 00:22.12 | abrotman | bah .. /me goes to make dinner |
| 00:22.18 | mhall | melkor: then why not just use Debian |
| 00:22.23 | melkor | cos I'm lazy ;) |
| 00:22.39 | melkor | Don't worry, I've used Debian proper before ;) |
| 00:22.39 | i3dmaster | abrotman, smbclient got this: session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
| 00:22.57 | Neikius | so, is there anything I can do? |
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| 00:23.13 | melkor | Neikius, have you tried ifup as root? |
| 00:23.20 | melkor | or /etc/init.d/networking restart as root? |
| 00:23.35 | abrotman | i3dmaster: cute |
| 00:23.45 | aeronadix | octoberdan, how do you exi |
| 00:23.49 | Neikius | melkor: well I did |
| 00:23.51 | aeronadix | octoberdan, exit |
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| 00:24.08 | melkor | which one Neikius ? and did you use the right eth connection? |
| 00:24.14 | Neikius | melkor: i did remove the module, when I reinsert it I got the same shit... card found, network down |
| 00:24.22 | i3dmaster | abrotman, sorry I don't get what you just said |
| 00:24.54 | melkor | Neikius: how did you reinsert it? just via modprobe? or did you also put it into /etc/modules/ |
| 00:25.03 | nvz | interesting.. I didnt realize ssh was in base.. how long has that been? |
| 00:25.04 | delire | Neikius: sure it's the same device? did you upgrade recently as udev has been known to shuffle interfaces around.. |
| 00:25.06 | i3dmaster | abrotman, there is no firewall on my win box |
| 00:25.16 | Neikius | melkor: there is only eth0, and strangely enough I had some problems when it assigned only ipv6 address (dunno why would it do it) but not the ipv4 so i needed to call dhclient... now nothing happens altogether |
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| 00:25.32 | Neikius | melkor: modprobe |
| 00:25.48 | Neikius | delire: um I had it working 30 minutes ago |
| 00:25.53 | Neikius | hell i even installed debian today |
| 00:25.57 | Neikius | via network install |
| 00:26.04 | akira | i've inserted joydev.ko and xpad.ko, but i don't get a /dev/js0 interface, anybody know why? |
| 00:26.06 | melkor | Neikius: odd. Very odd. it's a laptop network card isn't it? pcmcia or inbuilt? |
| 00:26.07 | nvz | well in standard anyhow, I guess thats not base, it was installed from base-config without selecting any packages therein but was not installed during bootstrapping from the cd |
| 00:26.07 | Neikius | now it just died |
| 00:26.07 | delire | Neikius: right, well ifconfig and see if eth0 is dressing up as eth1 these days.. stranger things have happened. |
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| 00:26.17 | melkor | yeah |
| 00:26.17 | Neikius | melkor: built in |
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| 00:26.19 | jlj | what can be the problem if modconf doesn't display a module cathegory (but all the others work)? it just tries to load the list and then goes back to the main screen. |
| 00:26.35 | melkor | does lspci etc list it Neikius |
| 00:26.47 | akira | nm |
| 00:26.53 | Neikius | melkor/delire brb |
| 00:26.55 | Neikius | check |
| 00:27.05 | nvz | well I am all set, got her bootstrapped |
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| 00:27.22 | delire | nvz: please, in the company of your own home nvz.. |
| 00:27.38 | nvz | delire: heh |
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| 00:27.47 | nvz | delire: I was talking about my friend's hd |
| 00:27.56 | delire | nvz: not your friend i hope... good. |
| 00:28.01 | melkor | brb |
| 00:28.24 | nvz | I am rescuing him from the clutches of the evil M$ empire he had barrowed someones XP and the 30 day trial was going to expire |
| 00:28.38 | nvz | I'm gonna hook him up with debian and he will live happily ever after |
| 00:28.40 | Neikius | delire: lspci has it at |
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| 00:28.45 | warty__ | hopla |
| 00:28.46 | delire | nvz: good on you.. wouldn't mind seeing a cape with the debian logo on it. |
| 00:28.49 | warty__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.50 | Neikius | melkor: lspci has it |
| 00:29.06 | warty__ | hola |
| 00:29.08 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:29.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:29.10 | beware | what causes this kind of errors: "Error: plpgsql.so does not have a corresponding .info file." |
| 00:29.12 | nvz | delire: heh.. I'd wear it too.. |
| 00:29.12 | Neikius | delire: well ifconfig eth0 lists the card... |
| 00:29.15 | jikbag | lspci FTW |
| 00:29.20 | nvz | delire: you'd be able to spot me in a crowd |
| 00:29.32 | warty__ | jajja |
| 00:29.35 | warty__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.36 | delire | Neikius: strange.. so it was working, you weren't upgrading or anything (or mucking about with udev) and it simply ceased to work in the middle of a session? |
| 00:29.39 | warty__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.40 | nvz | delire: I'd be the one with the black cape and the swirly red logo |
| 00:29.59 | Neikius | delire: yep, all I did was reboot into windows |
| 00:30.04 | delire | nvz: i'm the guy with up on the roof with the poor kids iBook OK? |
| 00:30.10 | delire | nvz: wearing same cape.. |
| 00:30.25 | beware | there is a class of errors (it can happen for any .so file), giving this error: " ...so does not have a corresponding .info file", breaking apt |
| 00:30.27 | Neikius | well since i booted debian it doesnt work anymore... I had minor problems before as I mentioned but nothing unsolvable |
| 00:30.30 | delire | Neikius: strange, and you booted back into the same kernel you were using, online, before.. |
| 00:30.34 | Neikius | yes |
| 00:30.35 | warty__ | wat |
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| 00:30.42 | warty__ | yes |
| 00:30.42 | Neikius | no upgrades |
| 00:30.44 | warty__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.45 | warty__ | too |
| 00:30.46 | Neikius | i just installed the system... |
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| 00:30.51 | asg | warty__: /j #debian-es |
| 00:30.59 | ana | hoola a todos |
| 00:31.20 | delire | Neikius: well that is strange.. ifconfig lists eth0 and lo, that's it? |
| 00:31.23 | nvz | delire: kawfee will be wearing a red cape with the black swirl.. he's the evil #debian badgerwang |
| 00:31.28 | Neikius | delire: yeep |
| 00:31.34 | Neikius | i didn't fiddle with any config |
| 00:31.35 | \amethyst | beware: is that happening when installing particular packages? |
| 00:31.39 | delire | nvz: i'll keep an eye on him.. |
| 00:31.53 | Neikius | besides alsa and powermanagement |
| 00:32.02 | beware | \amethyst: it has happened now, a few times, for different actions. different package install/uninstall attempt. and an apache update modules command |
| 00:32.06 | delire | Neikius: ahah, powermanagement ;) |
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| 00:32.12 | Neikius | :D |
| 00:32.19 | delire | Neikius: that may be a factor. some cards are munged by ACPI for instance.. |
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| 00:32.27 | Neikius | delire: but the point is that I had it working after i changed that... well could still be it |
| 00:32.42 | \amethyst | beware: have you locally installed any apache modules? |
| 00:32.44 | delire | Neikius: well you might want to try a noacpi boot flag.. |
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| 00:32.45 | Neikius | delire: well yea, what can i do to confirm? acpi=off? |
| 00:32.50 | \amethyst | beware: I mean, outside of apt |
| 00:32.59 | beware | no idea. tbh. |
| 00:33.00 | Neikius | aha noacpi will try |
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| 00:33.13 | beware | maybe. (there is one other admin on this box) |
| 00:33.16 | Neikius | delire: well |
| 00:33.18 | Neikius | the thing is |
| 00:33.24 | Neikius | i rebooted to windows |
| 00:33.27 | Neikius | now |
| 00:33.32 | Neikius | windows was hibernated |
| 00:33.33 | delire | Neikius: hmm, maybe a pci=noacpi might be worth a try |
| 00:33.39 | Neikius | now i rebooted so not hibernated anymore |
| 00:33.49 | Neikius | guess what ... it doesnt work even there anymore :D |
| 00:33.55 | beware | i somehow guess this admin may be related to pgsql |
| 00:33.57 | beware | module* |
| 00:34.00 | Neikius | maybe router? will restart router... brb |
| 00:34.02 | melkor | Neikius: it doesn't work in Windows now? |
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| 00:34.21 | delire | Neikius: .. maybe the bios is a little bit confused? why not poweroff from windows, count to 30 and try again? |
| 00:34.22 | melkor | sorry, just got back, read back thru the channel to see what had been said in my absence |
| 00:34.36 | \amethyst | beware: you need to create an info file for the module in the apache modules dir |
| 00:34.44 | beware | ok |
| 00:34.52 | melkor | I need to test my X config as well, brb myself |
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| 00:35.06 | beware | how do i go about doing that |
| 00:35.19 | sexy | i need help :) |
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| 00:35.38 | sexy | does anyone know where can i download KYLIX 3 full version for linux ??? |
| 00:35.43 | \amethyst | beware: Take a look at the .info files in /usr/lib/apache/1.3/ (probably /2.0 for apache2) |
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| 00:36.18 | asg | sexy: borland.com |
| 00:36.47 | delire | what is KYLIX actually *necessary* for? |
| 00:36.48 | sexy | :) but it is trial |
| 00:36.57 | asg | sexy: then pay for the full version |
| 00:37.00 | delire | sexy this isn't a war3z channel |
| 00:37.06 | asg | !list |
| 00:37.06 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to asg@is.a.fucktard.com |
| 00:37.11 | Neikius | well |
| 00:37.13 | Neikius | am I back? |
| 00:37.18 | asg | Neikius: no |
| 00:37.24 | delire | Neikius: nothing.. |
| 00:37.34 | delire | Neikius: can't see a word you're typing. |
| 00:37.59 | delire | asg do you think he believed us? |
| 00:38.22 | asg | delire: if he did, he's obviously imagining things |
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| 00:38.31 | delire | asg: who are you talking about? |
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| 00:39.07 | asg | delire: Neikius, I assume you meant sexy? |
| 00:39.21 | delire | asg: sorry that was a bad joke. "pass the paranoia" |
| 00:39.25 | Neikius | :D |
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| 00:39.40 | delire | Neikius: working? |
| 00:39.47 | asg | delire: "What is your clearance citizen?" |
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| 00:39.52 | sexy | asg, i am from Serbia, and almost all software that we have installed is illegal, because Serbia is "poor" country, and most of us don't have that money... |
| 00:39.53 | delire | asg: hehe |
| 00:39.57 | Neikius | delire: yep |
| 00:40.04 | delire | Neikius: so it was acpi |
| 00:40.05 | Neikius | so it WAS a fatal router/nic combo... |
| 00:40.08 | Neikius | damn |
| 00:40.12 | RedDrag0n | man, women are scary when they get angry Oo |
| 00:40.14 | delire | Neikius: right ;) |
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| 00:40.19 | Neikius | and apparently windows was working coz of hibernate |
| 00:40.21 | sexy | asg, sooo...i don't have 2000$ for that :( |
| 00:40.26 | asg | sexy: then use something that is free. This isn't a warez site and you will be banned for discussing such things here. |
| 00:40.32 | \amethyst | sexy: only $250 |
| 00:40.37 | asg | sexy: nor do I, and I don't program in it either |
| 00:40.44 | \amethyst | sexy: $2000 is for the enterprise version |
| 00:40.51 | dondelelcaro | folks, commercial software is widly OT here. Please discuss it elsewhere. |
| 00:40.52 | nathanscott | Hello everyone...anyone have any advice on getting my Debian box to be seen from my Mac over a LAN? |
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| 00:41.00 | Neikius | well delire, thanks for trouble as for the other man |
| 00:41.00 | sexy | i am sorry |
| 00:41.02 | asg | nathanscott: seen in what way? |
| 00:41.05 | ne78 | What program should i use to test a webcam (/dev/video0) xawtv is awkward and suck, is there any good alternative ? |
| 00:41.06 | sexy | i am done |
| 00:41.08 | Neikius | now I have another problem... |
| 00:41.13 | sexy | thank you on your helo |
| 00:41.16 | delire | Neikius: no problem. a strange predicament for sure. |
| 00:41.16 | sexy | help |
| 00:41.18 | dondelelcaro | nathanscott: using netatalk or similar is the trivial way. |
| 00:41.18 | jhujhiti | How do i do the equivilent of what used to be /usr/sbin/base-config now that the baseconfig package is empty? |
| 00:41.24 | Neikius | could not start kdeinit |
| 00:41.28 | nathanscott | asg: I want to be able to share files with it. So from OS X, I want to see it in my finder |
| 00:41.36 | Neikius | and some kde settings are lost when I restart |
| 00:41.41 | asg | nathanscott: install samba on your Debian box |
| 00:41.44 | dondelelcaro | nathanscott: or just use nfs or samba or similar. |
| 00:41.52 | nathanscott | I've done that, but I'm not sure where to go from there... |
| 00:41.56 | Neikius | (the app for keyboard layouts vanishes into thin air) |
| 00:41.57 | asg | nathanscott: www.oreilly.com/openbook (Using Samba is a good reference as is the 'samba-doc' package) |
| 00:42.01 | \amethyst | ne78: gqcam perhaps, though it's buggy at times |
| 00:42.19 | azeem | you need some rendezvous type thing to automatically see the shares |
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| 00:42.40 | Neikius | not to mention periodic acpi errors popping into active tty (I'd appreciate an advice to how to edit config fies so they go - to logs) |
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| 00:42.56 | delire | Neikius: i don't use KDE so not the one to ask.. |
| 00:43.08 | dondelelcaro | Neikius: that's just your printk setting. |
| 00:43.18 | delire | ne78: gnome-meeting or ekiga as it's now known. |
| 00:43.20 | ne78 | \amethyst ok i'll try |
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| 00:43.32 | nathanscott | Once I've got samba running, how do I set a dir to be shared ? |
| 00:43.37 | asg | Neikius: /msg dpkg klogd |
| 00:43.37 | ne78 | delire yes ekiga, is it in untasble yet ? |
| 00:43.44 | Neikius | dondelecaro: what should shoud i touch? |
| 00:43.48 | Neikius | aha :D |
| 00:43.50 | dondelelcaro | nathanscott: add it to /etc/samba/smb.conf or your netatalk configurations. |
| 00:44.03 | dondelelcaro | !tell Neikius -about printk |
| 00:44.33 | nathanscott | ahhh the netatalk thing is what i'm not sure about... |
| 00:44.34 | delire | ne78: just install gnomemeeting as i think the name hasn't been changed yet |
| 00:44.45 | nathanscott | do i just install it to /usr/local |
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| 00:45.10 | nathanscott | I know these are basic questions but I'm trying to learn here :) |
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| 00:45.35 | nathanscott | If I'm using Samba, I don't need Netatalk, correct? |
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| 00:46.11 | ne78 | gqcam, sucks even more that xawtv, it's gtk1 and doesn't undrstand yuv |
| 00:47.04 | tnks | hi. I use make-kpkg with debian source trees (linux kernel and modules). I have a module that I want to compile with a DEBUG configuration option, but I'm having a hard time figuring out how to do it. |
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| 00:47.35 | tnks | normally, I just do a `make-kpkg modules_image` from the root of the kernel tree. |
| 00:47.59 | tnks | Is this even calling the Makefile of the driver/module? |
| 00:48.18 | ne78 | about webcam is there anything else than gqcam or xawtv or gnommeeting, i simple app to test tweak the settings of a webcam and take snapshots |
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| 00:48.39 | Neikius | i dont know what the hell, but I have etch and klogd was default there apparently |
| 00:48.41 | ne78 | apt-cache is very quiet about wabcam |
| 00:48.47 | juice` | hmm, any idea why there is no php5-mcrypt package? |
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| 00:48.59 | Neikius | since I've installed a few lfs installations and no klogd there I am kinda lost :D |
| 00:49.06 | amphi | ne78: well, it would be ;) what is 'wabcam'? |
| 00:49.11 | juice` | is there never going to be ? like php4-mcrypt? i have some software depending on it, and i can't move to php5 |
| 00:49.16 | delire | ne78: 'apt-cache search webcam' there are a few in that list that meet your description. |
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| 00:49.28 | ne78 | delire i tried all |
| 00:49.31 | anto | hi all |
| 00:49.34 | juice` | i saw other distribution having this package, so whats the problem? anybody knows? |
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| 00:49.44 | anto | how do i add a source/repository to apt-get? |
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| 00:49.56 | anto | http://www.soulmachine.net/debian/unstable |
| 00:50.35 | delire | ne78: so tell me what you didn't like about the camstream tools? |
| 00:50.37 | chealer | anto: # man sources.list;editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:50.49 | nathanscott | kl |
| 00:50.51 | ne78 | delire is it ofr interactive use ? |
| 00:50.52 | nathanscott | woops |
| 00:50.53 | jhujhiti | does anyone know how i can get something like base-config again now that the base-config package is empty? ran debootstrap to build this install, and i'm missing a bunch of stuff like shadowed passwords |
| 00:51.02 | nathanscott | anto: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:51.19 | asg | jhujhiti: man shadowconfig |
| 00:51.21 | ne78 | delire: right i missed this one |
| 00:51.21 | jikbag | theres no more base-config? |
| 00:51.24 | delire | ne78: try it, the tools allow you to tweak settings and capture images.. |
| 00:51.27 | ne78 | delire: i try that |
| 00:51.32 | delire | ne78: otherwise freshmeat.net |
| 00:51.45 | \amethyst | ne78: you're looking for command-line utils? |
| 00:52.07 | nathanscott | anyone know where i install netatalk? |
| 00:52.26 | jhujhiti | asg: what about turning a strong hash on for passwords? that was another thing the base-config package did |
| 00:52.31 | asg | nathanscott: dpkg -L netatalk (or whatever package name you used). See also /usr/share/doc/package |
| 00:52.33 | ne78 | \amethyst: nope interactive, like xawtv, but that suck less |
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| 00:52.46 | \amethyst | ne78: ah |
| 00:52.47 | nix4me | is it mostly safe to upgrade my etch install every so often? |
| 00:52.53 | inglorion | i promised my grandma to install linux on her computer so she doesn't have to worry about viruses as much anymore. she has a fairly old computer with a modem connection. so i want to get some packages that don't need fast cpu or lots of memory, and i want to install it without using the internet connection. what would be the recommended way to go? |
| 00:52.55 | ne78 | \amethyst: i will probably fallback on xawtv |
| 00:52.56 | E-R-I-K- | ola |
| 00:53.10 | delire | ne78: well camstream may not be for you looking more closely.. |
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| 00:53.19 | asg | jhujhiti: /etc/pam.d/common-password |
| 00:53.27 | Nakko | yo, new here, but not to Debian |
| 00:54.04 | jhujhiti | asg: thanks. is there a manpage for this? i'm wondering if i can use something stronger than md5, like sha512? |
| 00:54.24 | anto | i get an error |
| 00:54.28 | anto | the list of sources could not be read |
| 00:54.43 | nathanscott | asg, would the package name be netatalk-2.0.3.tar.gz |
| 00:54.48 | anto | after i added in... deb http://www.soulmachine.net/debian unstable |
| 00:54.50 | nvz | jhujhiti: if someone gets your shadow file you are in trouble regaurdless |
| 00:55.11 | nvz | jhujhiti: and other methods will more than cover the chance of random data generating the same hash |
| 00:55.20 | nvz | jhujhiti: timeouts, blacklists.. etc |
| 00:56.09 | asg | jhujhiti: the pam_unix module doesn't have a manpage; the 'libpam-doc' package should have the info you need. |
| 00:56.17 | nvz | jhujhiti: like my config would timeout for a specified few seconds on a wrong passwd attempt then fail the login after n attempts |
| 00:56.42 | ne78 | i just found that mplayer can play from v4l |
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| 00:56.58 | Neikius | dondelecaro: sysctl way did it thanks |
| 00:57.07 | mhall | jhujhiti: i have got some sha512 code that works- fast |
| 00:57.33 | Neikius | whats the app that shows keycodes for pressed keyS? |
| 00:57.34 | digijohn | Hey, I'm running FVWM, and I just installed GNOME... how can I get GNOME to show up in the Window Managers menu on FVWM? |
| 00:57.36 | delire | ne78: didn't know this.. interesting.. |
| 00:57.37 | nvz | you need to focus on the important things. the chances of someone getting access to your filesystem or randomly generating the same hash as yours in 3 attempts is slim |
| 00:57.38 | mhall | Neikius: showkeys -s |
| 00:57.40 | ne78 | but configuring the webcam settings sucks under debian, the athena widget interface of xawtv is horrible |
| 00:57.44 | mhall | Neikius: stop typing to get it to go away |
| 00:57.51 | anto | nathanscott: pls help..i get an error after editing sources.list and running apt-get |
| 00:57.57 | ne78 | delire: tv:// -tv driver=v4l:device=/dev/video0:width=640:height=480:noaudio |
| 00:58.02 | ne78 | delire: mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:device=/dev/video0:width=640:height=480:noaudio |
| 00:58.10 | delire | ne78: nice.. |
| 00:58.16 | nvz | I am not real paranoid but I have thought about some real paranoid security configs, like passwds changing instead of locking out after so many attempts |
| 00:58.21 | nathanscott | anto, what is the error? |
| 00:58.36 | asg | nvz: if you are really paranoid, you'll use OTP |
| 00:58.37 | nvz | but that may not really work in the real world |
| 00:59.07 | asg | nvz: I use it for root passwords on some machines |
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| 00:59.24 | mhall | asg: what happens if you lose the otp |
| 00:59.34 | asg | mhall: reboot to single user mode and kick myself |
| 00:59.36 | anto | nathanscott: "The list of sources could not be read" |
| 00:59.57 | anto | nathanscott: after i edited sources.list with deb http://www.soulmachine.net/debian unstable |
| 01:00.07 | anto | nathanscott: am i entering that source wrongly? |
| 01:00.14 | jmg | heh |
| 01:00.25 | nvz | asg: the One-Time Pad? |
| 01:00.41 | nathanscott | the format of the line might be wrong... i'm not quite sure |
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| 01:00.51 | mhall | asg: that's not esp. secure |
| 01:00.54 | Guerin | !opie |
| 01:00.54 | dpkg | opie is, like, wanted to be maintained by Espy. a PDA enviroment (usually Sharp Zaurus), or a one-time pad for passwords - see http://www.linux.ie/lists/pipermail/ilug/2005-August/083130.html |
| 01:00.56 | Guerin | nvz: ^ |
| 01:01.04 | delire | nvz: old encryption technique.. |
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| 01:01.24 | anto | oh |
| 01:01.25 | asg | mhall: the physical security access is handled by a separate system |
| 01:01.26 | jhujhiti | what's this maximum password length of 8 garbage? |
| 01:01.45 | nvz | heh |
| 01:01.49 | mhall | jhujhiti: old UNIX DES crypt hash ignores that which is past 8 chars |
| 01:01.50 | jhujhiti | *with* md5? i'm using md5 on all my other systems with a longer password and no problems? is it truncating? *shudder* |
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| 01:02.02 | mhall | jhujhiti: that can't happen with MD5 |
| 01:02.06 | delire | hehe |
| 01:02.09 | asg | !tell isul about root |
| 01:02.11 | zinx | jhujhiti: no, it's not being truncated |
| 01:02.26 | jhujhiti | ack, misread the doc =) |
| 01:02.27 | delire | Fear The Truncator |
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| 01:02.35 | mhall | !lart jhujhiti |
| 01:02.41 | jhujhiti | "can be longer than 8" not "can be no longer than 8" |
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| 01:02.59 | Guerin | !suse |
| 01:02.59 | dpkg | it has been said that suse is a linux distribution that can be found at http://www.suse.com, or german, open source, *nix. . . you do the math. the root of all that is wrong and evil, or #suse, or see http://www.omahns-home.co.uk/downloads/sles9.png |
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| 01:03.11 | passi_ | hi there. how do i recreate all config files or redo the preconfig of a package? i accidentally deleted them and need the defaults now |
| 01:03.12 | Guerin | see image above^^ |
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| 01:03.23 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 01:03.23 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 01:03.34 | delire | jhujhiti: could be worse: "not withstanding lengths breaching 8, the aforementioned length must fall outside." |
| 01:03.35 | jhujhiti | passi_: dpkg-reconfig [package] |
| 01:03.43 | jhujhiti | heh |
| 01:03.54 | litage | would changing between /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice in XF86Config-4 affect whether or not the mouse scrollwheel works? |
| 01:03.57 | passi_ | jhujthiti: thanks. worked :) |
| 01:04.09 | nvz | asg: so do you have to salt your passwd entry or somehow obtain a new pad each time or its just randomly generated on the fly or what? |
| 01:04.19 | Nakko | I have a niggling problem, in that su does not work on my system. Not a big deal since I can su when I need to do things... |
| 01:04.23 | resiak | litage: Are you using a 2.6 kernel?= |
| 01:04.25 | Nakko | But su is Just Broken |
| 01:04.25 | nvz | asg: I am reading about it and just not getting it |
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| 01:04.43 | Nakko | Anyone know what'd cause su to hork? |
| 01:04.45 | resiak | Nakko: IWW is it broken? And you contradict yourself, by saying it's broken but that it works |
| 01:04.48 | asg | nvz: there are several ways from using hardware generators to printing out a list of 50 or so and keeping them in your wallet. It depends on your budget and paranoia |
| 01:04.54 | Nakko | Errrrrrr |
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| 01:04.57 | Nakko | Whoa whoa, sorry. |
| 01:05.00 | Nakko | My mistake. |
| 01:05.01 | nvz | asg: heh |
| 01:05.04 | Nakko | sudo is broken!! |
| 01:05.05 | Nakko | su |
| 01:05.12 | Nakko | su works, but sudo is broken. |
| 01:05.12 | nvz | asg: I am not understanding how to implement this |
| 01:05.16 | resiak | !tell Nakko -about enter |
| 01:05.22 | resiak | Nakko: In what way is it broken? |
| 01:05.23 | delire | Nakko: what does "broken" mean in this case? |
| 01:05.25 | nvz | asg: I think I've done this method before. |
| 01:05.26 | jhujhiti | Nakko: "broken"? |
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| 01:05.39 | nvz | asg: I used to have a cardboard roll with letters printed all across it |
| 01:05.50 | nvz | asg: carried it around when I had a shitload of pcs |
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| 01:05.59 | mhall | asg: what about securid |
| 01:06.05 | asg | nvz: teh old-tech |
| 01:06.09 | nvz | heh |
| 01:06.10 | delire | nvz: "shitload of pcs" "cardboard roll" was it a toilet roll by any chance? |
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| 01:06.23 | Nakko | Weeelll, if I say `sudo [command]` it will ask me to enter the root passwd. I do, and it says, "Sorry. Try again." |
| 01:06.28 | nvz | no it was a longer roll cause it had to have more than a few chars long strings |
| 01:06.35 | jhujhiti | Nakko: are you in the sudoers file |
| 01:06.36 | jhujhiti | ? |
| 01:06.39 | delire | Nakko: not the *root* password |
| 01:06.41 | asg | mhall: never really looked at it. |
| 01:06.41 | resiak | Nakko: It's not the root password, it's your own password. And you have to use visudo |
| 01:06.50 | nvz | it was my randomizer, I would spin it to randomize mybrian |
| 01:06.57 | nvz | my brain even |
| 01:06.58 | delire | Nakko: what good would sudo be in that case? |
| 01:07.02 | resiak | Nakko: to set up who is allowed to use sudo, and in what way. man sudo; man 5 sudoers |
| 01:07.11 | Nakko | Aha. Well that's a really simple answer! |
| 01:07.16 | delire | ;) |
| 01:07.20 | mhall | asg: it's a lot less of a pain than one time pads and gets you two factor auth |
| 01:07.32 | mhall | asg: that's what the CIA uses |
| 01:07.32 | Nakko | "You're just doing it wrong." =) |
| 01:07.39 | litage | resiak: yes |
| 01:07.39 | asg | mhall: yes, but overkill for the scenario I'm using OTP for. |
| 01:07.50 | nvz | mhall: yeh, let me guess the CIA told you what they use |
| 01:07.52 | asg | mhall: the CIA can't find WMDs, that isn't a glowing recommendation |
| 01:07.57 | delire | haha |
| 01:07.58 | litage | resiak: 2.6.15-1-686-smp .deb |
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| 01:08.08 | mhall | nvz: ;-) i have a friend who works with them |
| 01:08.09 | resiak | litage: Then no, because in 2.6 /dev/psaux is just an alias for /dev/input/mice |
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| 01:08.13 | muttix | bug #352274 - udev errors at boot.. i did try some stuf but its still there - can anyone point me to a fix ? |
| 01:08.16 | ringo999 | hi. does anyone of you use xmms with the scrobbler plugin? does it work? |
| 01:08.21 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 01:08.21 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:08.22 | nvz | I am sure if I was an intelligence agency I would change anything I used as soon as someone else knew about it |
| 01:08.36 | delire | nvz: yes, like the truth |
| 01:08.37 | mhall | nvz: what's the point? |
| 01:09.05 | litage | resiak: /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice are separate devices on my box.. |
| 01:09.20 | nvz | mhall: my point is I think sausage patties taste better than links and I dont know why. |
| 01:09.22 | mhall | litage: alias inside the kernel, not on the FS |
| 01:09.30 | asg | mhall: better than ElectricMILF |
| 01:09.38 | resiak | litage: but they do the exact same thing on 2.6 |
| 01:09.47 | mhall | asg: that might not be half bad actually, if it were true |
| 01:09.50 | jhujhiti | resiak: lies. /dev/input/mice is a combination of all of the input mouse nodes. psaux is the ps/2 mouse |
| 01:09.54 | asg | mhall: indeed |
| 01:09.58 | jhujhiti | or something like that |
| 01:09.59 | mhall | asg: there's a lot worse people to know than a cyber-oriented MILF |
| 01:10.02 | nvz | why are we making parodies of EEs name |
| 01:10.02 | delire | nvz: and a good point regardless. |
| 01:10.09 | nvz | delire: :) |
| 01:10.17 | resiak | jhujhiti: Not on 2.6, I'm about 99% sure. |
| 01:10.22 | litage | thanks mhall and resiak |
| 01:10.24 | mhall | nvz: because it's funny |
| 01:10.37 | delire | mhall: that is valid. |
| 01:10.37 | nvz | mhall: whats funny? |
| 01:10.41 | jhujhiti | resiak: i've been using 2.6 since it came out and i've never noticed them being the same. |
| 01:10.46 | nvz | I like sausage in a patty |
| 01:10.51 | mhall | nvz: 17:10 < nvz> why are we making parodies of EEs name |
| 01:10.52 | resiak | jhujhiti: Fair enough |
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| 01:10.57 | nvz | heh |
| 01:11.02 | nvz | we are on different pages |
| 01:11.06 | mhall | nvz can't even remember his own questions long enough for me to answer them |
| 01:11.12 | mhall | zOMGWTFBBQ!!!111!!11!1 |
| 01:11.15 | nvz | haha |
| 01:11.16 | delire | nvz: better than beside the pattie, or somehow, before it. |
| 01:12.18 | abrotman | HELP! .. my debian accidentally installed suse! |
| 01:12.27 | resiak | except that jhujhiti is wrong and I am right |
| 01:12.28 | gravity | ZOMG |
| 01:12.29 | mhall | <troll /> |
| 01:12.33 | deadcat | abrotman: you on your own |
| 01:12.34 | delire | abrotman: that's horrible |
| 01:12.44 | resiak | To quote make menuconfig: "The data available through /dev/psaux is exactly the same as the data from /dev/input/mice." |
| 01:12.53 | abrotman | deadcat: you be talkin like that always? |
| 01:13.00 | resiak | abrotman: Was it good acid? |
| 01:13.01 | deadcat | yes |
| 01:13.02 | nvz | though I understand the /> shit I dont like having to remember to type it now |
| 01:13.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:13.21 | nvz | that shit causes me more debugging than anything |
| 01:13.35 | mhall | nvz: then clean it out with XML pretty printer |
| 01:13.42 | mhall | nvz: <troll></troll> |
| 01:13.44 | nvz | I learned ML long before that was thought about |
| 01:14.14 | mhall | there's a pretty printer in Xerces |
| 01:14.16 | nvz | no, when I make XHTML for the phone I have to put the <tag /> in any tag that is single not paired |
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| 01:15.02 | nvz | the parser choaks if you dont have a / in a single tag like and input tag |
| 01:15.08 | mhall | nvz: yeah because tags are supposed to be hierarchical |
| 01:15.25 | \amethyst | nvz: if you use a syntax-aware editor it may help |
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| 01:15.30 | nvz | well back before the day when I learned it wasnt nessicarty |
| 01:15.39 | \amethyst | nvz: in that the next line will be indented |
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| 01:15.50 | delire | "nessicarty" is that a nice place? |
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| 01:23.37 | nachtmar | can anyone give me plz a hint for a good hex editor programm ? |
| 01:23.54 | nachtmar | one which is able to read unicode and some stuff like that too |
| 01:24.42 | Nakko | nachtmar: Have you tried ghex? |
| 01:24.47 | nachtmar | yes |
| 01:24.53 | nachtmar | its not able to read unicode |
| 01:25.06 | nachtmar | at least i dont know how to.. |
| 01:25.20 | \amethyst | nachtmar: what do you mean by 'read unicode'? |
| 01:25.27 | \amethyst | UCS-2, UCS-4, UTF-8? |
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| 01:25.46 | mhall | \amethyst: UTF-16 too |
| 01:25.46 | nachtmar | well i dont really know |
| 01:25.54 | nachtmar | i need one which is able to read all.. |
| 01:26.16 | nachtmar | i have some files with a lot of trash in it ... i have to look for some keywords |
| 01:26.18 | nachtmar | in it |
| 01:26.32 | \amethyst | doing utf-8 in a hex editor seems...wrong |
| 01:26.52 | Nakko | nachtmar: I suggest firing up Synaptic, press ctrl-F and search for "hex" |
| 01:27.09 | Nakko | I see the package "hex", for one, that can distinguish 2-byte Japanese characters. Or so it claims! |
| 01:27.50 | \amethyst | Which isn't unicode, but oh well |
| 01:28.41 | nachtmar | ive done this allrdy.. |
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| 01:29.44 | Neikius | well this royally sucks :D |
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| 01:30.28 | abrotman | apt-cache search hex editor ? |
| 01:30.34 | Neikius | now even my laptop started getting problems with network and kdeinit doesnt wanna run anymore (which means my last state is not recovered, i feel like in winblows XD) |
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| 01:31.26 | _joey | is there's package in cache then how do I find what version it is ? |
| 01:31.31 | _joey | s/is/if |
| 01:31.51 | asg | _joey: apt-cache policy <foo> |
| 01:32.11 | _joey | thanks |
| 01:32.39 | Neikius | well i found out that the last update broke etch... it was all ok a few days ago |
| 01:32.50 | Nakko | Heh! |
| 01:33.01 | Nakko | Neikius: welcome to the club. ;) |
| 01:33.19 | Neikius | :D |
| 01:33.26 | Neikius | well what package has dhclient included? |
| 01:33.31 | Nakko | I had to change my xmodmap scripts and recompile my NVidia kernel module a few times by now... |
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| 01:33.35 | Neikius | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.41 | Nakko | Oof |
| 01:33.45 | Neikius | well |
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| 01:34.58 | Grabber | Yeah. |
| 01:35.14 | Neikius | kdeinit got broken, quite evil and enough... I dont even dare to think of installing fglrx. last time I tried it took me 1 hour to figure how to force mesa back on repairing the deleted files (yep libGL.so just vanished and installation failed anyway) |
| 01:35.16 | Grabber | How to otimizes boot processes? |
| 01:35.39 | asg | Grabber: start less stuff |
| 01:35.43 | Nakko | Heh |
| 01:36.22 | gravity | asg: Good answer |
| 01:36.30 | Grabber | asg ok |
| 01:36.34 | Grabber | thanks |
| 01:36.55 | Grabber | asg |
| 01:36.57 | krassy | what is the difference between debian kernels i386 and k7 ? |
| 01:37.01 | asg | Grabber: there are attempts being made to parallelize things. If you use a *dm, you can start it earlier in the process to give you the illusion of a faster boot. |
| 01:37.07 | Grabber | The best/fast is XFree or x.org? |
| 01:37.10 | Neikius | there is a question on my side though, I want to install fgrlx, but apt says that some files are "owned" my mesa... well I cant just uninstall mesa coz it will uninstall half of my system |
| 01:37.15 | Nakko | Neikius: so far as I can tell, it's from the dhcp-client package? |
| 01:37.17 | zinx | krassy: one only supports the k7, but does so better than the i386 kernel supports the k7 |
| 01:37.21 | Neikius | will just dpkg --purge be ok? |
| 01:37.23 | Grabber | I'm listening x.org have more releases and bug fixes? |
| 01:37.24 | gravity | I lurve questions like that |
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| 01:37.53 | asg | gravity: :) |
| 01:38.08 | Grabber | dup |
| 01:38.08 | metaperl | I just installed gcc-doc, but I dont know how to access it... |
| 01:38.11 | Grabber | i1m noob |
| 01:38.20 | ke6isf | Grabber: As to the better one, the answer is "yes". |
| 01:38.20 | asg | metaperl: dpkg -L gcc-doc |
| 01:38.26 | gravity | Grabber: Does XFree86 work for you? |
| 01:38.27 | ke6isf | !newb |
| 01:38.27 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 01:38.51 | metaperl | asg: thanks |
| 01:38.54 | Grabber | I'm using a X700 ATI Video Card. |
| 01:38.59 | Grabber | I just know what is better. |
| 01:39.03 | Grabber | Most compatible |
| 01:39.14 | ke6isf | !tell Grabber -about enter |
| 01:39.16 | gravity | Hrm... that's a really new video card, right? |
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| 01:39.30 | Grabber | yes |
| 01:39.39 | gravity | I don't think Xorg will help you with it |
| 01:39.49 | Grabber | hum |
| 01:39.51 | gravity | I don't think there's any support for it anywhere yet if it's of the class I'm thinking of |
| 01:39.53 | krassy | zinx:If my machine is with athlon 900 mhz processor better for me is k7 kernel ? |
| 01:39.55 | Neikius | well does anyone know how to make sleep/suspend to disk work? |
| 01:40.01 | delire | Neikius: have you apt-get update recently? |
| 01:40.11 | Grabber | The best is install ati drivers from ATI.com or uses pre-compiled http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html#install |
| 01:40.12 | Grabber | ? |
| 01:40.16 | zinx | krassy: yeah |
| 01:40.18 | ke6isf | !tell Neikius -about anyone |
| 01:40.34 | ke6isf | !fglrx |
| 01:40.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
| 01:40.34 | Neikius | delire: since I updated it is all broken ... the computer before was my roommates' but now even mine is broken :D |
| 01:40.54 | tengulre11 | I have a problem, how to add a linux logo to terimal screen when booting linux? |
| 01:40.54 | Grabber | !mat |
| 01:40.54 | dpkg | from memory, mat is crap |
| 01:41.02 | abrotman | wtf is going on in here |
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| 01:41.12 | asg | abrotman: fun, adventure, and really wild things |
| 01:41.25 | Grabber | Who are from BRAZIL? |
| 01:41.31 | asg | Grabber: people in #debian-br |
| 01:41.50 | Grabber | I now. But i need know here |
| 01:41.51 | Grabber | :P |
| 01:42.02 | Neikius | still nobody answered how to get sleep/hibernate to work in linux? I had it on suse 9.2 but now it wont work |
| 01:42.08 | Nakko | Not me, although I'm a big fan of Max Cavalera. =) |
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| 01:43.02 | delire | Neikius: that's a biggish topic. you'll need to approach it on a per-laptop basis. |
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| 01:43.32 | asg | Nakko: tuxmobile.org is a good start |
| 01:43.45 | Neikius | delire: prestigio nobile 157, mobo is from aopen, chipset is ICH4 |
| 01:43.58 | Neikius | 1,5 year old stuff |
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| 01:44.05 | Neikius | or maybe 2 |
| 01:44.09 | tnks | man. I'm having a really hard time finding documentation discussion the subtleties of compiling modules with make-kpkg. Does someone have some experience with this? |
| 01:44.38 | ke6isf | !tell Neikius -about ask |
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| 01:44.42 | delire | Neikius: see http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
| 01:44.44 | Nakko | asg: You mean me or Neikius? |
| 01:44.55 | tnks | I want to enable CONFIG_IPW_DEBUG for my ipw2200 kernel module, but I just can't find the place to do it. |
| 01:45.01 | asg | Nakko: Neikius sorry. |
| 01:45.04 | ke6isf | Neikius: In short, be patient when you ask your questions. |
| 01:45.13 | asg | Neikius: tuxmobile.org is a good start |
| 01:45.26 | kbrooks | DEBIAN! DEBIAN! DEBIAN, GO DEBIAN! |
| 01:45.31 | magnus | Is there a way to find out on which sector on a harddrive the MBR/partitiontable begins? (I need to find out which number to use with remap for linux to see the correct partitiontable) |
| 01:45.36 | Daedalus_ | woot |
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| 01:45.40 | Neikius | sorry but it is 3 am with my lectures tommorow mornin' a bit anxious... |
| 01:45.48 | passi | hi there. i just installed apache and made some mistakes. so i deleted the configs, the package and reinstalled and reconfigured it. but now somehow php wont work anymore and it wants me to download the file when i call it. i also reconfigured the libapache-mod-php4 which also didnt help |
| 01:45.50 | Nakko | n/p, asg. I was -about- to ask "Hmm... wonder if anyone's ported some form of linux to the PSP..." when you asked that, and it freaked me out. Like you might have read my mind or something. |
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| 01:46.13 | asg | Nakko: :) |
| 01:46.29 | Neikius | delire: nice, but they dont have my brand :D |
| 01:46.40 | Neikius | will check anyways |
| 01:46.47 | jlj | is there something else that has to be done for modules to be loaded automatically at boot than to add them to /etc/modules? |
| 01:47.06 | delire | Neikius: see asg's suggestion of tuxmobile.org as an alternative |
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| 01:47.25 | Neikius | delire: i was wrong they have it, its a new model, but should be something... |
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| 01:48.41 | \amethyst | delire: that is the most horrible use of flash I have seen in a while |
| 01:48.42 | delire | Neikius: these sites are often essential if you would like to run Debian on a laptop to it's fullest possible extents. |
| 01:48.55 | dephi | Where is a good place to find the status of X in experimental? |
| 01:49.00 | delire | \amethyst: incredible isn't it. bordering on the fantastically horrible. |
| 01:49.02 | richardps | hello there why is it so dangerious to log on as root? |
| 01:49.12 | \amethyst | delire: and the greatest part is, the buttons don't *do* anything |
| 01:49.17 | ke6isf | In an email message I posted to the user list (see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/02/msg01913.html), I brought up the problem of connecting USB devices to my workstation - in short, it *might* work. The suggestion was to build and/or install a 2.6.10 kernel - given the URL here, are there any better suggestions? |
| 01:49.46 | delire | \amethyst: what mind is behind this, what abberation of intention, of will. |
| 01:50.23 | Neikius | delire: well thank you very much, and others too |
| 01:50.30 | \amethyst | delire: Trek Potter, I do believe |
| 01:50.38 | Neikius | sleep time /finally |
| 01:50.42 | Neikius | bbl |
| 01:50.48 | \amethyst | delire: aha, lives on an AFB, that could explain it |
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| 01:51.24 | \amethyst | delire: an AFB IN UTAH!!! |
| 01:51.42 | Nakko | Two awful things that go awful together? |
| 01:51.42 | \amethyst | so I'd guess that is the abberation of mind |
| 01:51.43 | delire | \amethyst: that does explain it! |
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| 01:51.52 | ice_1963 | in etch when i go to remove the kernel-image.... --purge remove it says not installed.... in sarge it get's uninstalled? |
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| 01:52.20 | ice_1963 | how come |
| 01:52.30 | \amethyst | delire: now I feel like a stalker |
| 01:53.12 | Ramendik | hello |
| 01:53.24 | dephi | another question, under gnome when I plug in a USB drive, pmounts mounts its properly but nautilus can not access it through the spatial interface...used to work properly. what should i look at? |
| 01:53.32 | delire | \amethyst: just say "No" at nmap and/or reading his myspace blog. |
| 01:53.55 | Ramendik | I have sarge, I'd like to install linux-image 2.6.15 from backports.org *without* also pulling linux-source (I have to pay per megabyte). Is this possible? |
| 01:54.09 | \amethyst | delire: I'm not about to go running nmap anywhere near .mil :) |
| 01:54.17 | delire | hehe wise \amethyst wise |
| 01:55.03 | gravity | dephi: debian-x@lists.debian.org's archives |
| 01:55.07 | cam | when i do dpkg --list ; i have some "rc mysql-server-4.1 4.1.15-1 mysql database server binaries" lines ... hwo to i remove them ? (apt-get --purge remove mysql-server-4.1 says that the pkg is not installed) |
| 01:55.10 | gravity | dephi: What do you want to know though? |
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| 01:55.57 | dephi | The usb drive used to automount (still does) and nautilus would display its contents. now I have to navigate the file system |
| 01:56.08 | dephi | wondering why that changed |
| 01:56.11 | dephi | what setting |
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| 01:56.46 | gravity | dephi: Er... what's that got to do with X in experimental? |
| 01:56.50 | aaronlin | Is it a good idea to set aside an entire drive as swap space? I have 128 MB of RAM, so sometimes when I launch heavier apps I run into swap. I've set aside an entire ~17GB HDD for swap. |
| 01:56.56 | dephi | gravity: sorry, seperate questions |
| 01:56.58 | gravity | ah |
| 01:57.06 | simplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.10 | aaronlin | ...in other words, how can I optimize swap space? |
| 01:57.13 | \amethyst | cam: aptitude purge mysql-server-4.1 works |
| 01:57.14 | asg | simplex: /msg dpkg search |
| 01:57.34 | dephi | gravity: noticed that most of the incoming packages were processed, wondering if experimental was safe to upgrade to |
| 01:57.40 | simplex | asg: Thanks. |
| 01:57.51 | gravity | dephi: Not yet. It's still missing parts, including most notably the X Server |
| 01:57.58 | passi | i got the odd problem with my server that php doesnt work anymore. it just gives me the document for download |
| 01:58.11 | dephi | gravity: yeah, looked like it, bot a lot of changes...wasn't sure what else needed to be in place |
| 01:58.14 | asg | passi: what did you change recently? |
| 01:58.16 | cam | \amethyst, tx |
| 01:58.21 | Ramendik | I have sarge, I'd like to install linux-image 2.6.15 from backports.org *without* also pulling linux-source (I have to pay per megabyte). Is this possible? |
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| 01:58.53 | passi | asg: uninstalled apache, php and cacti. then reinstalled it with the "apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install". |
| 01:58.56 | gravity | dephi: The apps, the fonts, the server, and the metapackages and packaging packages (for lack of a better term) |
| 01:59.05 | gravity | dephi: Those are on their way as well |
| 01:59.11 | asg | passi: make sure you have libapache-mod-php4 installed also |
| 01:59.17 | dephi | gravity: just the dev stuff if there so far, correct? |
| 01:59.17 | isul | . |
| 01:59.26 | Nakko | Hmm. Is there any (fairly simple?) way of editing the Appications menu in Gnome? |
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| 01:59.31 | gravity | dephi: The protocol headers, libs, and drivers are there now |
| 01:59.34 | passi | asg: i reinstalled and reconfigured that one also several times. |
| 02:00.00 | passi | asg: can you send me the line in the /etc/apache/modules.conf where php is being loaded? |
| 02:00.06 | dephi | gravity: right, thanks. interesting times ahead |
| 02:00.19 | gravity | dephi: No problem |
| 02:00.27 | asg | passi: then verify that apache is loading the php4 module, that the AddType bits are correct in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
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| 02:00.40 | asg | passi: make sure to restart apache and also purge your browser cache |
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| 02:01.14 | isul | is there a menu congif package for IceWM in aptitude? |
| 02:01.51 | kingsley | Is there a better way to restrict a new user's access to other accounts' files than changing permissions on every other account's home directory, or chmod-ing /home? |
| 02:02.08 | abrotman | chroot |
| 02:02.09 | abrotman | jail |
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| 02:02.29 | passi | asg: the addtype gets loaded from /etc/apache/conf.d/php* . but where is the module being loaded? can you send me that line from modules.conf? |
| 02:02.36 | hellkat | Does gtkpod support the new video ipods? |
| 02:02.58 | abrotman | check the docs? |
| 02:03.04 | delire | hellkat: i'd look at the gtkpod page about that.. |
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| 02:03.22 | nvz | apt-get should have a console. like if you run it without arguments it comes up to like apt> and you can just issue command sequences without having to type apt-get over and over |
| 02:03.29 | asg | passi: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 02:03.33 | abrotman | nvz: file a bug |
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| 02:03.39 | nvz | maybe add sources and shit through there too |
| 02:03.46 | delire | hellkat: some new gnome 2.14 player is supposed to be very ipod friendly. |
| 02:03.53 | \amethyst | isul: there are a few |
| 02:03.59 | abrotman | delire: slashdot reader! |
| 02:04.03 | gravity | nvz: Get coding on a frontend |
| 02:04.08 | hellkat | Thanks, delire |
| 02:04.12 | passi | asg: thanks a really lot. works now :) |
| 02:04.19 | asg | passi: you're welcome |
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| 02:04.24 | nvz | gravity: yeam maybe it would become just another frontend |
| 02:04.30 | hellkat | Delire, the GTKPOD seems to not work well with usb. |
| 02:04.38 | hellkat | i couldnt get it to really work |
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| 02:05.25 | \amethyst | isul: aptitude search ~dicewm~deditor |
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| 02:05.59 | nvz | gravity: I dont think there is an "apt" command so that could be the default console frontend included in the package. that you can search, install, remove, update, upgrade, hold, modify prefs, sources..etc all from one console like a bash shell |
| 02:06.34 | \amethyst | nvz: 'apt' is taken |
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| 02:07.14 | \amethyst | nvz: hm, not by anything in main or contrib, though |
| 02:07.19 | nvz | maybe I just need to move to using aptitude and quit playing with that thing |
| 02:07.46 | \amethyst | nvz: aptsh? |
| 02:07.48 | nvz | I dont know why I still use it |
| 02:08.15 | nvz | can make it aptish |
| 02:08.16 | nvz | heh |
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| 02:08.36 | nvz | the intelligent apt shell.. it will have tab completion on package names in the cache.. etc |
| 02:08.41 | \amethyst | nvz: the aptsh package, I mean. It seems to be what you want |
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| 02:08.51 | digijohn | Hey guys, I've been playing with .fvwm/.fvwm2rc, but when I restart FVWM the changes don't seem to take effect |
| 02:08.57 | nvz | already been done eh |
| 02:09.09 | nvz | !info aptsh |
| 02:09.10 | \amethyst | nvz: with tab completion :) |
| 02:09.10 | digijohn | wait, I see something that might be wrong... |
| 02:09.16 | dpkg | aptsh: (apt interactive shell), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.5 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 02:09.19 | A64 | hey, how can I setup my epson stylus c62? I downloaded the gimp-print ... and when I try to add a new printer (using KDE) the add printer/class option is disabled, what can I do? |
| 02:09.21 | nvz | its not in stable |
| 02:09.24 | \amethyst | ah |
| 02:09.53 | A64 | using sarge, btw |
| 02:10.17 | nvz | damn see that I find bugs, think of good ideas, but I'm always too late.. heh |
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| 02:10.28 | nvz | I need to pay closer attention |
| 02:10.39 | nvz | I need to get a sid box |
| 02:10.46 | passi | asg: now php works partitially but somehow errors : Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() where is it defined which modules get loaded? |
| 02:11.19 | asg | passi: /etc/php4/apache/php.ini (look for an 'extension=mysql.so' (usually near the bottom)) |
| 02:11.28 | asg | passi: if you don't have it, add it or reinstall php4-mysql |
| 02:11.28 | digijohn | Okay, where does testing expect the user's fvwm config file? |
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| 02:12.05 | staniel | hi guys |
| 02:12.49 | passi | asg: the reinstall did help. now cacti works again. thanks and a nice night / morning :) |
| 02:12.50 | staniel | im trying to set up openvpn, i've had it working before, but because of a power outage, I had lost the firewall rules in order to allow openvpn connections access to my network and the internet |
| 02:12.56 | \amethyst | wow |
| 02:13.04 | asg | passi: you too |
| 02:13.12 | \amethyst | I just got an email from a company I ordered computer parts from back in 1999 (and not since) |
| 02:13.25 | staniel | so would anyone be able to help me set up iptable rules for openvpn? |
| 02:13.35 | asg | staniel: #iptables is a good place to start |
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| 02:15.03 | e3l | how do you unzip a .tar.bz2? |
| 02:15.08 | asg | e3l: /msg dpkg tar |
| 02:15.14 | Psi-Jack | Hey, curious, does anyone here use Cyrus-IMAPD ? I'm having difficulties with it not using saslauthd, and would like any help. |
| 02:15.33 | _joey | has anyone setup wireless interface using ndiswrapper ? I load the driver but I can get the interface up |
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| 02:16.41 | sylvisj | Umm, is there a windows media plugin for Firefox? |
| 02:17.48 | simplex | !search opengl-update |
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| 02:17.59 | \amethyst | sylvisj: mozplugger + your favourite media player |
| 02:18.49 | Psi-Jack | Hey, curious, does anyone here use Cyrus-IMAPD ? I'm having difficulties with it not using saslauthd, and would like any help. |
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| 02:19.50 | sylvisj | Thx \amethyst. |
| 02:20.11 | \amethyst | sylvisj: there's also mozilla-plugin-vlc |
| 02:20.42 | sylvisj | k. |
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| 02:21.38 | \amethyst | sylvisj: and gxineplugin |
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| 02:23.30 | Kerr_ | did my brain drip out of my nose or is slashdot broken? |
| 02:23.54 | \amethyst | Kerr_: broken |
| 02:23.55 | asg | Kerr_: there is a third possibility; you read the comments to any story posted. |
| 02:24.02 | isul | yeah, broken |
| 02:24.32 | \amethyst | Maybe it got slashdotted |
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| 02:25.47 | Kerr_ | i hit refresh and there was another 503 error. |
| 02:25.52 | Kerr_ | does that make it a dupe? |
| 02:26.18 | tty | slashdot opens fine for me |
| 02:27.32 | \amethyst | Kerr_: it's back here, too |
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| 02:29.59 | mohadib | can someone suggest a PDF viewer that can rotate a PDF? please , this is making my head hurt |
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| 02:30.33 | kspath | rotate? |
| 02:30.45 | kspath | evince in kind of nice |
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| 02:33.08 | asg | !herbetsmite Kerr_ |
| 02:33.11 | asg | eep |
| 02:33.12 | mohadib | kspath: thanks , but it looks and has the same options as gpdfviewer |
| 02:33.44 | sophie^ | what is the default directory of the repository? |
| 02:33.44 | kspath | oh sorry. |
| 02:33.57 | mohadib | kspath: ok... |
| 02:34.58 | kspath | The electricity must flow. |
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| 02:39.26 | odla | happy family day |
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| 02:43.01 | isul | how do I change desktop resolution in IceWM? |
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| 02:43.28 | pipeline | isul: icewm is just a window manager. It doesn't do anything like that. |
| 02:43.43 | pipeline | isul: You can use xrandr to temporarily change it. To make permanent changes, you'll need to reconfigure X. |
| 02:44.06 | pipeline | isul: Note: xrandr can't make the resolution any higher than the default resolution of the X server. If you don't see high resolutions, don't panic :P |
| 02:44.21 | isul | thanks pipeline |
| 02:44.58 | _unstable | !tell isul about drxx |
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| 02:45.27 | alarmyst | hi |
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| 02:46.31 | alarmyst | does anyone has a clue on how to install nvidia driver for xorg on etch since nvidia-glx is in conflict with xserver-xfree86 and xsserver-xorg ? |
| 02:47.10 | pipeline | alarmyst: Install the xserver-xorg from sid. |
| 02:47.19 | pipeline | alarmyst: google for "apt pinning for beginners" |
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| 02:47.29 | alarmyst | ? |
| 02:47.29 | pipeline | alarmyst: It will explain how to (somewhat) safely mix testing and sid. |
| 02:47.40 | deadcat | if you dont know. maybe you shouldnt mess with it |
| 02:47.43 | alarmyst | shouldnt i use backports for that kind of things ? |
| 02:47.51 | pipeline | alarmyst: There are no backports for etch. |
| 02:47.57 | pipeline | alarmyst: Etch is testing. |
| 02:48.03 | alarmyst | yea sorry |
| 02:48.07 | pipeline | alarmyst: This means that occasionally things aren't convenient |
| 02:48.32 | alarmyst | pipeline: but you know this will fix the problem ? |
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| 02:48.51 | pipeline | alarmyst: Well, I'm certain there's no such conflict in unstable. |
| 02:49.06 | _unstable | !tell alarmyst about nvidia one liner |
| 02:49.15 | _unstable | alarmyst: type that one line into your terminal as root, and you're done. |
| 02:49.41 | deadcat | _unstable: that really works? |
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| 02:50.00 | _unstable | deadcat: I dunno probably not |
| 02:50.13 | deadcat | (= |
| 02:50.29 | alarmyst | _unstable: no |
| 02:50.31 | pipeline | alarmyst: Another possibility is that you're on Ubuntu -- in which case you can blame the ubuntu folks. |
| 02:50.37 | alarmyst | nvidia-glx conflicts with xserver-xorg |
| 02:50.45 | alarmyst | no |
| 02:50.48 | alarmyst | im using etch |
| 02:50.48 | _unstable | alarmyst: What does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 02:50.54 | gravity | It does in etch |
| 02:50.57 | gravity | He's right |
| 02:50.58 | deadcat | _unstable: that file dont prove shit. |
| 02:51.02 | Azar | kick xorg and go with xfree whats so darn hard? |
| 02:51.07 | alarmyst | testing/unstable |
| 02:51.08 | gravity | alarmyst: Just pull the nvidia-glx from unstable |
| 02:51.15 | deadcat | alarmyst: just wait it out. |
| 02:51.16 | _unstable | deadcat: I know..but if he doesn't know what the file says...he obviously isn't using etch. |
| 02:51.27 | deadcat | _unstable: true. |
| 02:51.32 | gravity | He is using etch |
| 02:51.37 | gravity | That's a real issue with etch |
| 02:51.41 | _unstable | k |
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| 02:51.49 | gravity | I know because I created the issue |
| 02:51.50 | gravity | Sorta |
| 02:52.00 | alarmyst | hehe |
| 02:52.00 | gravity | Anyway, pulling the nvidia packages from unstable will work |
| 02:52.01 | deadcat | glad i am not using that |
| 02:52.02 | _unstable | alarmyst: It's gravity's fault |
| 02:52.05 | abrotman | !blame gravity |
| 02:52.16 | alarmyst | thanks a lot |
| 02:52.16 | Azar | why in the world wouldn't he stay in stable and learn first? |
| 02:52.20 | abrotman | sounds about right .. the X maintainer .. and a canadian .. |
| 02:52.32 | Azar | :) |
| 02:52.39 | _joey | abrotman how are you ? |
| 02:52.43 | abrotman | sick |
| 02:52.49 | odla | planet.debian.org crashes firefox |
| 02:52.54 | kookaburra | stable is great. why does everyone automatically assume that they need etch? |
| 02:52.56 | Azar | eat lemons abrotman, as many as you can |
| 02:52.57 | odla | only that site though |
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| 02:53.08 | abrotman | Azar: great advice .. if i liked lemons .. *at all* |
| 02:53.11 | Tarantulafudge | how do I start another X session in a window inside of an already running x? |
| 02:53.18 | abrotman | xnest ? |
| 02:53.22 | _joey | abrotman can you manage to help me to set up wireless interface using ndiswrapper ?:) |
| 02:53.26 | Azar | abrotman, I hate them too but I watch porn while eating them, it sweetens up |
| 02:53.34 | abrotman | _joey: i've never used it |
| 02:53.40 | deadcat | Tarantulafudge: cant. unless you're root. |
| 02:53.41 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: Xnest or gdmflexiserver |
| 02:53.45 | _joey | how unfortunate |
| 02:53.46 | pipeline | deadcat: Not true. |
| 02:53.48 | deadcat | oh |
| 02:53.51 | pipeline | deadcat: Xnest doesn't require permissions. |
| 02:53.55 | abrotman | Azar: there's an image i want .. you eating lemons while watching porn .. great .. |
| 02:53.59 | pipeline | deadcat: Xnest is, however, really fucking buggy. |
| 02:53.59 | Azar | abrotman: whats nastier? a bottle of vodka, flu pills or lemons? |
| 02:54.02 | deadcat | pipeline: never heard of those programs (= |
| 02:54.04 | _joey | I've got the driver loaded but iwconfig does not show wlan0 interface |
| 02:54.14 | abrotman | Azar: lemons |
| 02:54.20 | pipeline | deadcat: Xnest has been in the MIT distribution for like, ages. And it's just as buggy as it was ten years ago :P |
| 02:54.26 | abrotman | _joey: you sure it's supposed to be wlan0 ? |
| 02:54.36 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, says x is already running |
| 02:54.42 | deadcat | pipeline: ya. but i dont really pay any attention since people dont have good thing to say about that |
| 02:54.55 | deadcat | _joey: what driver what chipset? |
| 02:54.59 | _unstable | _joey: Are you using madwifi drivers? |
| 02:55.01 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: You have to run it with an alternate display number. |
| 02:55.14 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: If you don't pass a display number on the command line, it tries to be display zero. And display zero is already being used. |
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| 02:56.45 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, if i use ssh x11 forwarding, how do i get it to forward to the xnest? |
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| 02:57.23 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: The Xnest instance is both a client and a server. |
| 02:57.37 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, i know, how do i get ssh to use it instead of :0 |
| 02:57.39 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: You don't have to worry about forwarding traffic from the Xnest's clients because they'll connect over local sockets. |
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| 02:57.53 | Peacimowen | o_o |
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| 02:57.57 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: Eh, set your DISPLAY variable in the shell you ssh from to the display number of the Xnest. |
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| 02:58.35 | cam | someone can help with grub ? when it tries to load the kernel, the file is not found .. in the command line : root (hd0,4) then kernel (hd0,0)/boot/2.4.32 root=/dev/hda5 ro is not working ... my partition scheme is : /dev/hda1 -> /boot | /dev/hda5 -> / ... any ideas?? |
| 02:58.37 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, so localhost:10.0 would be localhost:10.1 instead? |
| 02:58.51 | insaneinside | Anyone here have experience with Gallery2? I'm doing its initial setup, and it's ignoring the login info I give it and connecting to the MySQL server as root w/o password. |
| 02:58.55 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: Err, I mean, set your DISPLAY variable *before* you ssh. |
| 02:59.22 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: The automatically-set-up tunnel will be configured based on the DISPLAY variable. So set the DISPLAY variable to point to your nested X, *then* ssh into the target system. |
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| 02:59.58 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, so 'DISPLAY="0" ssh -X user@host' ? |
| 03:00.03 | simplex | Are any compiz/xgl packages being prepared currently? |
| 03:00.03 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, i mean 1 |
| 03:00.07 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, so 'DISPLAY="1" ssh -X user@host' ? |
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| 03:00.30 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, so 'DISPLAY=":1" ssh -X user@host' ? * |
| 03:00.32 | insaneinside | Tarantulafudge: DISPLAY=":1" ... |
| 03:00.36 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: Yeah. That should set it up right. |
| 03:00.43 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: Note: should. :P |
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| 03:01.50 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, xnest is rejecting it |
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| 03:02.01 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, AUDIT: Mon Feb 20 21:01:12 2006: 13237 Xnest: client 1 rejected from local host |
| 03:02.05 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: *shrug* |
| 03:02.15 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: Clearly you have an X security issue :P |
| 03:02.26 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: Try starting Xnest with access control disabled (-ac) |
| 03:02.39 | insaneinside | Tarantulafudge: DISPLAY=:1 xhost + |
| 03:02.49 | insaneinside | Tarantulafudge: maybe? |
| 03:02.55 | resiak | cam: If (hd0,0) _is_ /boot, then it doesn't contain a /boot/ directory. Try `kernel (hd0,0)/2.4.32` |
| 03:03.12 | Tarantulafudge | insaneinside, xhost? |
| 03:03.38 | insaneinside | xhost, sets X display access control |
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| 03:04.12 | cam | resiak, yeah i just find that out :S |
| 03:04.20 | cam | tx |
| 03:05.10 | insaneinside | Tarantulafudge: of course, `xhost +' lets _anyone_ connect. ;) |
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| 03:05.48 | insaneinside | Tarantulafudge: do `xhost +HOST' if you're at all worried about security... |
| 03:05.54 | sandman | What's the most featureful terminal? |
| 03:05.55 | resiak | !tx |
| 03:05.56 | dpkg | from memory, tx is transmit. Texas, or thanks |
| 03:05.56 | sandman | vt100? |
| 03:06.13 | Tarantulafudge | insaneinside, i still don't understand what xhost does |
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| 03:06.33 | reisio | my brother says there's no official Apache 2.2 package |
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| 03:06.45 | reisio | DO YOU DARE DEFY MY BROTHER? |
| 03:06.56 | insaneinside | Tarantulafudge: try `man xhost' or `info xhost'. |
| 03:07.02 | bahsman | http://www.linuxbase.org/ |
| 03:07.14 | Tarantulafudge | insaneinside, oh wait, does this cirumvent -nolisten? cause i turned that off already.. i didn't know |
| 03:07.16 | reisio | seriously, I'd like to know if there's a .deb for Apache 2.2 - or is 2.0 the latest period? |
| 03:07.17 | bahsman | :-$ |
| 03:07.17 | pipeline | reisio: There's not. |
| 03:07.22 | reisio | pipeline: thankee |
| 03:07.49 | pipeline | reisio: Apache2 isn't really meant to be used just yet. |
| 03:07.57 | reisio | pipeline: says who, Apache people? |
| 03:08.00 | pipeline | reisio: There might be "experimental" apache2 packages on alioth, but shit. |
| 03:08.02 | reisio | and you believe their propaganda?! |
| 03:08.11 | reisio | silly indians |
| 03:08.16 | pipeline | reisio: Heh, an awful lot of Apache.org software isn't stable even when they claim it is... |
| 03:08.17 | bashman | http://www.linuxbase.org/index.php |
| 03:08.21 | pipeline | reisio: e.g. libxalan |
| 03:08.32 | Tarantulafudge | hello? |
| 03:08.38 | reisio | bashman: http://linuxbase.org/, you mean? |
| 03:08.39 | insaneinside | Tarantulafudge: Don't think so.... I used to have `-nolisten tcp' in my ~/.xserverrc, but took it out -- probably for this exact reason. |
| 03:08.47 | krassy | how i can switch between kde and pure console mode (like no X sesion) ? |
| 03:09.03 | bashman | http://www.linuxbase.org/index.php |
| 03:09.04 | insaneinside | krassy: Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
| 03:09.04 | resiak | Ctrl-Alt-F[1..7] |
| 03:09.06 | reisio | krassy: CTRL+ALT+F2 |
| 03:09.13 | pipeline | krassy: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 03:09.17 | reisio | bashman: http://linuxbase.org/, you mean? |
| 03:09.18 | asg | pipeline: heh |
| 03:09.27 | asg | pipeline: that's the 'hard switch' |
| 03:09.27 | insaneinside | pipeline: be nice |
| 03:09.28 | deadcat | pipeline: that will respawn the X server though |
| 03:09.40 | asg | deadcat: unless he's not running a *dm |
| 03:09.50 | deadcat | asg: hes using KDE! (= |
| 03:10.00 | pipeline | insaneinside: Can you ask the wind to be still? The waves to be soft? |
| 03:10.01 | asg | deadcat: he could be using 'startkde' in ~/.xsession |
| 03:10.09 | asg | deadcat: not likely but he *could* be |
| 03:10.14 | dagbrown | I certainly do |
| 03:10.15 | deadcat | asg: hes using KDE! |
| 03:10.27 | insaneinside | pipeline: Yes, but they probably wouldn't listen. |
| 03:10.28 | deadcat | (= |
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| 03:10.33 | dagbrown | But that's because I like being able to restart KDE without having to log out. |
| 03:10.38 | pipeline | insaneinside: Then you're getting my point. |
| 03:10.42 | dagbrown | (startkde &;xterm) |
| 03:11.18 | deadcat | if you start kde with startkde, you have a problem. |
| 03:11.39 | dagbrown | It's worked fine for me for years. |
| 03:11.46 | dagbrown | What problem am I supposed to be having? |
| 03:11.54 | deadcat | mental |
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| 03:12.12 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, cool, -ac did the trick |
| 03:12.22 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, *wonders how long this takes to load* |
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| 03:13.07 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, im connecting to a solaris box |
| 03:13.17 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, *grunts at cde* |
| 03:13.33 | asg | Tarantulafudge: openwin is less intensive |
| 03:13.42 | cam | during the isntallation of debian, which command is used to make the swap partition ? mkswap -v0|-v1 /dev/hdXY ? |
| 03:13.45 | insaneinside | !openwin |
| 03:13.52 | Tarantulafudge | asg, which versions of solaris have that? |
| 03:14.08 | asg | Tarantulafudge: all of them (10 may not though) |
| 03:14.17 | Tarantulafudge | asg, this is solaris 9 |
| 03:14.31 | asg | Tarantulafudge: it should have it but not by default |
| 03:14.42 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: CDE won't work well with your local X unless you copy the fonts. |
| 03:14.49 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: And some of the colors will probably be screwed up. |
| 03:15.28 | Tarantulafudge | asg, well its loading |
| 03:15.40 | Tarantulafudge | asg, sooo slowly lol |
| 03:15.55 | asg | Tarantulafudge: it is slowlaris after all |
| 03:16.09 | Tarantulafudge | asg, yea but this is an actual solaris server |
| 03:16.22 | asg | Tarantulafudge: a real one or just a Sun Blade 100 acting as one? |
| 03:16.24 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: Slowlaris my ass. Don't say stupid shit. |
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| 03:16.33 | asg | pipeline: that was me |
| 03:16.40 | Tarantulafudge | asg, its a real sparc server |
| 03:16.43 | dagbrown | Oh, don't use Solaris, that's just a Bad Idea in general |
| 03:16.52 | krassy | how i can know what daemons are running at this moment on my machine ? |
| 03:16.59 | pipeline | asg: Well, that goes for you, too. |
| 03:17.03 | asg | krassy: ps |
| 03:17.04 | deadcat | krassy: ps aux |
| 03:17.16 | dagbrown | ps -ef | grep 'd$' |
| 03:17.24 | asg | krassy: if you mean daemons that are listening on network sockets, try 'netstat -plunt' |
| 03:17.27 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, this is cool, i love x11forwarding |
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| 03:17.40 | asg | pipeline: out of the box or with the GNU tools that make it usable ;) |
| 03:17.54 | dagbrown | Solaris out of the box is straight from about 1989 or so. |
| 03:17.59 | dagbrown | It doesn't come with an sshd |
| 03:18.07 | dagbrown | But it *does* come with telnetd running! |
| 03:18.10 | dagbrown | Which is useful, really |
| 03:18.13 | Tarantulafudge | dagbrown, solaris 9 and up have sshd |
| 03:18.17 | asg | deadcat: 9 does |
| 03:18.20 | dagbrown | Tarantulafudge: Not by default |
| 03:18.26 | asg | gah |
| 03:18.26 | Tarantulafudge | dagbrown, yes by default |
| 03:18.33 | asg | s/deadcat/dagbrown/ |
| 03:18.33 | dagbrown | Do a base installation of Solaris, you get telnetd and no sshd |
| 03:18.35 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: Well, be sure to copy the CDE fonts. Everything will look a lot less awful. |
| 03:18.50 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, it looks ok |
| 03:18.57 | pipeline | dagbrown: The base installation of solaris has /everything/. |
| 03:19.04 | pipeline | dagbrown: You have to have "reduced networking" to get no sshd. |
| 03:19.14 | dagbrown | pipeline: The base installation of Solaris is 250M and has nearly nothing. |
| 03:19.17 | pipeline | dagbrown: Besides, everybody installs blastwave anyway. :P |
| 03:19.26 | pipeline | dagbrown: Yeah, that's not "base". That's not what Sun calls "base", anyway. |
| 03:19.45 | dagbrown | Oh, you're talking about the super-bloated twelve gigabyte installation?+ |
| 03:20.06 | dagbrown | If anyone were to give me a Sun box tomorrow, it would, I *guarantee* you, be running Debian. |
| 03:20.09 | pipeline | dagbrown: Heh. 2.6 was like, 1000M with every piece of first-party option software installed. Now, the compiler alone takes up that much. |
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| 03:20.30 | asg | dagbrown: mine do, except for the E250, 280r, and E6800. |
| 03:20.36 | pipeline | dagbrown: Eh, Linux NFS still sucks. And Solaris has all the ISV support.... |
| 03:20.45 | dagbrown | Nobody uses NFS anyway. |
| 03:20.52 | pipeline | dagbrown: That's just not true. |
| 03:20.52 | dagbrown | Nobody in their right mind, at any rate. |
| 03:20.59 | pipeline | dagbrown: Yeah, well, it's a UNIX world. |
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| 03:21.29 | dagbrown | NFS is crap. Pretty well everything else is an improvement. |
| 03:21.44 | pipeline | dagbrown: Heh, there isn't anything else. |
| 03:21.53 | Tarantulafudge | dagbrown, yea i've had bad experiences with nfs |
| 03:22.02 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: There's no other kind of experience with NFS. |
| 03:22.09 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: NFS is awful, particularly so under Linux. |
| 03:22.32 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, sshfs is pretty cool |
| 03:22.35 | dagbrown | There are an awful lot of network services that exist primarily because NFS is crap. |
| 03:22.36 | pipeline | NFSv4 fixes a lot of the NFS brain damage. |
| 03:22.46 | dagbrown | IMAP comes to mind, for instance. |
| 03:22.49 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: sshfs is a cool toy, but that's about it :P |
| 03:22.57 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, yea, its buggy as hell |
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| 03:23.02 | asg | pipeline: cool but not really scalable |
| 03:23.37 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, i like it for web development |
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| 03:24.07 | pipeline | It's occasionally useful, since SFTP clients usually suck ass, but it's not a replacement for NFS. |
| 03:24.24 | pipeline | dagbrown: IMAP is not a service that exists "primarily because NFS is crap" :P |
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| 03:24.31 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, gftp is pretty good |
| 03:24.33 | pipeline | dagbrown: Keep in mind that NFS wasn't designed to be used across the internet.... |
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| 03:24.45 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: Err... fuck gftp, when nautilus supports SFTP :P |
| 03:24.56 | deadcat | i find nfs rocks. for simple file sharing via lan |
| 03:24.57 | asg | pipeline: sshfs was, and it does work well (at least for the single user.) |
| 03:24.58 | pipeline | dagbrown: NFS, for all its horrendous flaws, is still better than ND. |
| 03:25.03 | dagbrown | pipeline: IMAP was never designed to go across the Internet in the first place either. It was designed for the CMU LAN. |
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| 03:25.20 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, i dislike kde |
| 03:25.33 | pipeline | dagbrown: Besides, in another ten years, when Linux NFSv4 becomes usable, NFS will start to not suck :) |
| 03:25.37 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, its like a bloated OS that /almost/ is conveniant |
| 03:25.44 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: If you have gftp installed, you already have all of the dependencies for nautilus installed... |
| 03:25.48 | dagbrown | pipeline: Won't hold my breath :P |
| 03:25.58 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, it still has small things that i dont have that annoy me |
| 03:26.00 | asg | pipeline: do the BSDs have v4 support yet? |
| 03:26.04 | Coweater | Tarantulafudge: nautilus is gnome's file manager |
| 03:26.35 | krassy | when i type ps aux - the list is too large . how i can fit it to one page of the screen ? |
| 03:26.35 | Tarantulafudge | Coweater, oh right, i was thinking of konquerer |
| 03:26.44 | asg | krassy: ps aux | pager |
| 03:26.58 | pipeline | asg: To varying extents, I think. I've only used it with Solaris. And with Solaris, it "just works" |
| 03:26.59 | deadcat | krassy: have you try learning simple unix commands first? |
| 03:27.07 | deadcat | krassy: try that |
| 03:27.07 | asg | pipeline: of course |
| 03:27.43 | pipeline | asg: I do know that NFSv4 in Linux is even more broken than v2 and v3 :P |
| 03:28.02 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, lol |
| 03:28.10 | asg | pipeline: yeah, that's to be expected. It'll get better if people who care about it fix the problems. |
| 03:28.17 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, i know its sad, but i just use samba for everything |
| 03:28.42 | asg | pipeline: these days, people just want their audio scrobblers to work and couldn't care less about stuff like NFS. |
| 03:28.51 | Tarantulafudge | asg, lol |
| 03:29.50 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, the main reason i use linux is because I hate windows file locking |
| 03:29.59 | asg | pipeline: you can't beat it for efficiency though |
| 03:30.09 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, that just doesnt scale very well |
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| 03:31.18 | pipeline | asg: Nobody has ever cared about Linux NFS... |
| 03:31.27 | pipeline | asg: And linux kernel code scares the crap out of me. |
| 03:31.36 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, lol |
| 03:31.41 | asg | pipeline: I've never had a problem with it personally but I've never pushed it to the point it broke. |
| 03:31.46 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, it will eventually mature |
| 03:31.49 | pipeline | asg: On that note, NFS scares the crap out of me. Between the two, I'm not the man for the job. |
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| 03:31.54 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: People have been saying that since circa 1995. |
| 03:31.57 | asg | pipeline: :) |
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| 03:32.17 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, well all the business appeal it has now will defintely accelerate it |
| 03:32.29 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: People have been saying that since circa 1995, too. |
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| 03:32.40 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, ibm? |
| 03:33.04 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: IBM has been contributing mass amounts of code for a long time. I don't see Linux NFS (or OpenAFS, for that matter) improving :P |
| 03:33.04 | abrotman | AFS? DFS? |
| 03:33.20 | pipeline | abrotman: AFS is complicated as hell :\ |
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| 03:33.36 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, well, perhaps sco will stop accusing the open source community of stealing its code |
| 03:33.37 | abrotman | pipeline: i didn't say it wasn't |
| 03:34.03 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, i watched a sco presentation on google video and I wanted to jump him through my monitor |
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| 03:34.30 | Supaplex | sco? that wannabe that's dropped off the radar? who? ;) |
| 03:34.38 | Tarantulafudge | Supaplex, lol. |
| 03:35.07 | pipeline | Supaplex: Wannabe? SCO was the gold standard for x86 UNIX for twenty years. |
| 03:35.14 | abrotman | actually .. we haven't heard a peep out of sco for a while |
| 03:35.17 | abrotman | pipeline: xenix! |
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| 03:35.21 | pipeline | Supaplex: They were in the black and consistently profitable until they started down that stupidass lawsuit. |
| 03:35.27 | abrotman | and those damn AT&T Unix PCs |
| 03:35.29 | pipeline | abrotman: XENIX /is/ SCO UNIX :P |
| 03:35.38 | Supaplex | haha |
| 03:35.40 | abrotman | pipeline: 20 years i'm not sure it was sco |
| 03:35.41 | pipeline | abrotman: The AT&T "UNIX PCs" weren't PCs. And they ran regular SysV. |
| 03:35.45 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, anyone know how to send messages through cde like wall? |
| 03:35.54 | pipeline | abrotman: Microsoft sold XENIX to SCO in like, '80-'81. |
| 03:35.56 | abrotman | pipeline: i only saw one .. and we had no media .. it just ran |
| 03:36.02 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: I don't know what you're talking about. |
| 03:36.12 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, you know like windows messenger |
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| 03:36.17 | pipeline | abrotman: They were... weird systems. Slower than shit, but lots of memory and a really good window system. |
| 03:36.20 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: Tooltalk? |
| 03:36.20 | abrotman | pipeline: crap . it's 2006 isn't it ? |
| 03:36.28 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, the one in windows 2000 that was used for spam |
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| 03:36.32 | abrotman | fuck .. i got old |
| 03:36.38 | pipeline | Tarantulafudge: Uh, winpopup? o_0 |
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| 03:36.50 | Supaplex | lol winpopup |
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| 03:36.54 | abrotman | also netsend |
| 03:36.54 | pipeline | abrotman: I've always kind of wanted an AT&T 3b-series "UNIX PC" |
| 03:36.55 | Tarantulafudge | pipeline, i dunno, i know in the services menu it was called "Windows Messenger" |
| 03:36.58 | abrotman | netpopup wasn't win2k |
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| 03:37.02 | abrotman | it was . win9x |
| 03:37.11 | abrotman | pipeline: call LHU .. ask for one |
| 03:37.12 | Tarantulafudge | abrotman, yea it was |
| 03:37.17 | shiftless | hi guys. i am trying to figure out why my CUPS (debian 3.1) does not have the "serial port" backend installed |
| 03:37.19 | pipeline | abrotman: LHU? |
| 03:37.23 | Tarantulafudge | abrotman, its just turned off in later service packs |
| 03:37.25 | shiftless | it has parallel, USB etc installed, but no serial |
| 03:37.26 | Tarantulafudge | abrotman, its in xp too |
| 03:37.34 | edward0 | anyone know how to make nautilus look like nautilus in ubuntu? by this I mean have back, up, forward, refresh icons etc...? running nautilus 2.12.2 |
| 03:37.41 | asg | pipeline: I still have a Solaris 2.6 box in production |
| 03:37.48 | abrotman | pipeline: it was actually 1987 that MS sold xenix to sco |
| 03:37.52 | pipeline | asg: Eh. |
| 03:38.23 | abrotman | Tarantulafudge: winpopup? |
| 03:38.23 | asg | pipeline: legacy apps |
| 03:38.23 | Tarantulafudge | abrotman, yea |
| 03:38.23 | pipeline | abrotman: I'm sure that SCO was selling and developing it before that. |
| 03:38.23 | abrotman | Tarantulafudge: i don't mean ms messenger .. or net send .. i mean winpopup |
| 03:38.23 | pipeline | asg: As long as it's not actually facing the internet, who gives a shit? |
| 03:38.23 | abrotman | pipeline: they were |
| 03:38.24 | shiftless | abrotman: winchat |
| 03:38.25 | Tarantulafudge | abrotman, then i've never heard of winpopu |
| 03:38.26 | hejux | hi ! is fontconfig changed ? i just installed debian sid with 2.6.15.1 linux kernel ,but i cannt find fonts.conf under /etc/fonts/ |
| 03:38.29 | asg | pipeline: it isn't *thankfully* |
| 03:38.30 | Supaplex | jabber > * |
| 03:38.31 | pipeline | asg: I've seen plenty of 2.6 boxes in production because they're sun4d hardware or whathaveyou. |
| 03:38.40 | abrotman | i'm pretty damn sure there's no winpopup in winnt/2k/xp |
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| 03:38.45 | shiftless | try winchat |
| 03:38.45 | pipeline | asg: It's not like modern software doesn't still more or less work on 2.6 and 7... |
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| 03:38.57 | abrotman | shiftless: i don't want to use anything |
| 03:39.02 | asg | pipeline: it's an old app that we couldn't port to >2.6. |
| 03:39.08 | Supaplex | why not a real instant messenger? |
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| 03:39.15 | Tarantulafudge | abrotman, i used winnt for along time as a starcraft bot server |
| 03:39.30 | pipeline | asg: WTF changed in >2.6? |
| 03:39.35 | pipeline | asg: Was it SunView or something? |
| 03:39.43 | pipeline | asg: Waaait, 2.6 didn't have SunView... |
| 03:39.45 | buu | Tarantulafudge: Er, why not run them on lunix? |
| 03:40.13 | shiftless | does anyone have a clue why my CUPS does not have a serial backend? |
| 03:40.21 | Tarantulafudge | buu, i wasn't to proficient in linux at the time |
| 03:40.32 | asg | pipeline: not sure. Nobody supports it and it gets EOLd in July. |
| 03:40.35 | hejux | hi ! is fontconfig changed ? i just installed debian sid with 2.6.15.1 linux kernel ,but i cannt find fonts.conf under /etc/fonts/ !!! |
| 03:40.50 | asg | pipeline: I remember the software came on tape only, no CD :) |
| 03:41.19 | asg | hejux: check the bts |
| 03:41.27 | pipeline | asg: Heh. Lots of stuff did. I'm still curious about what it did that stuck it to 2.6. Maybe it tickled the kernel, or relied on 32-bit-specific crap. |
| 03:41.29 | buu | Tarantulafudge: Oh well. It's a stupid ass protocol anyway. |
| 03:41.34 | hejux | asg, what ? |
| 03:41.44 | asg | hejux: you are running sid but don't know about the bts? |
| 03:41.50 | asg | hejux: /msg dpkg bts ; /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 03:42.30 | asg | pipeline: yeah, I can't be arsed to find out. I'm just glad it's going away. The E250 will make a nice addition to my bone pile. |
| 03:42.31 | hejux | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.44 | hejux | ok |
| 03:42.52 | abrotman | asg: can i have it? |
| 03:42.58 | hejux | this is not bug however |
| 03:43.06 | pipeline | asg: Heh, the E250? Isn't that the one with the weird case that they bought from a clone manufacturer? |
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| 03:43.45 | asg | pipeline: it's weird in that if the case isn't fully closed, it won't power on. |
| 03:44.10 | pipeline | asg: I'm pretty sure the E250 is the one with the foam and all the other weirdness. |
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| 03:44.49 | asg | pipeline: I'll have to look. I don't remember any foam but I haven't opened it in years. |
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| 03:48.01 | Tarantulafudge | lol im chatting with a friend on the solaris box |
| 03:48.14 | asg | Tarantulafudge: 'wall sup biatch?' |
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| 03:49.07 | Tarantulafudge | asg, no, echo "sup biatch?"|write username |
| 03:49.07 | Aragorn_Guardian | hi.. |
| 03:49.15 | Aragorn_Guardian | i need help with usb |
| 03:49.21 | Tarantulafudge | asg, that way everyone on the server doesnt have to read it |
| 03:49.51 | asg | Tarantulafudge: indeed. |
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| 03:50.18 | Aragorn_Guardian | i need a guide to recognize my external cdrom... |
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| 03:52.28 | LinuxNIT | howcome when you modprobe something some modules load automatically after reboot and others have to be added to /etc/moduels |
| 03:53.17 | Aragorn_Guardian | seems because of modprobe..it install all a module need. |
| 03:53.49 | LinuxNIT | huh |
| 03:54.01 | krassy | how i can know who is local master browser at the moment in my network ? |
| 03:54.47 | LinuxNIT | krassy, if you use smb4k it will tell you but im sure there is another way |
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| 03:57.05 | krassy | LinuxNIT:yes i use samba but what is the command ? |
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| 03:58.20 | LinuxNIT | krassy, smb4k is a progam for looking at samba networks. it will tell you who the master browser is. as far as a simple command i dont know youll have to get someone smarter |
| 03:58.51 | Tarantulafudge | i love ssh |
| 03:59.03 | cafuego | krassy: smbclient -L some.samba.box |
| 03:59.04 | asg | Tarantulafudge: it is one of the 'killer' apps |
| 03:59.08 | Tarantulafudge | I want to make love over encrypted port forwarding and x11 forwarding |
| 03:59.23 | deadcat | can i make this better? case "$iface" in --> wlan*|eth*|br*) <-- |
| 03:59.39 | deadcat | cafuego: havent seen you here in a while. |
| 03:59.44 | cafuego | deadcat: esac |
| 03:59.50 | deadcat | ya |
| 03:59.56 | asg | deadcat: how often does it it run? |
| 04:00.00 | deadcat | i am talking about the * thats in each match |
| 04:00.01 | cafuego | deadcat: Just lurking ;-) |
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| 04:00.13 | deadcat | asg: during X start |
| 04:00.15 | cafuego | deadcat: wlan?|eth?|br?) |
| 04:00.22 | cafuego | unless you have up to eth10 |
| 04:00.30 | deadcat | cafuego: good point |
| 04:00.33 | RedDrag0n | greetings again, anybody know why links2 -g throws this? http://paste.uni.cc/8633 it's related to DirectFB but I have no idea how to install/setup it so it works :( |
| 04:00.36 | Tarantulafudge | OMFG |
| 04:00.38 | cafuego | Not that it matters much |
| 04:00.40 | asg | deadcat: then don't worry about it if it works for you. #bash may have some deft optimizations. |
| 04:00.50 | Tarantulafudge | ugg i hate websites that block out browsers |
| 04:00.52 | deadcat | asg: they dont help me |
| 04:00.53 | cafuego | deadcat: No actually, leabe it, coz now eth0:1 will match too. |
| 04:01.05 | asg | deadcat: did you read the bash FAQ at wooledge.org? |
| 04:01.10 | deadcat | cafuego: oh ya.. true. |
| 04:01.22 | deadcat | asg: no. |
| 04:01.25 | sparr | after a recent dist-upgrade my system is particularly unstable especially in 3d games. games close after less than 10 minutes and often random other X apps close/crash with them (firefox, kicker, kwin, kded, kvirc). occasionally the X server restarts, or the machine hard locks. ive reverted my nvidia drivers and kernel to what was a stable combination, what else might be causing these problems? |
| 04:01.35 | Tarantulafudge | whats that extension called that lets you change your browser name |
| 04:01.49 | asg | deadcat: well, the #bash FAQ maintained by our hero greycat |
| 04:01.54 | nvz | cafuego: eww |
| 04:02.06 | deadcat | asg: too bad hes MIA |
| 04:02.25 | asg | deadcat: he's in -ot and -bots |
| 04:02.35 | asg | cafuego: that came out so wrong |
| 04:02.44 | deadcat | asg: ah |
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| 04:05.18 | RedDrag0n | so, can someone help me? |
| 04:05.44 | deadcat | RedDrag0n: try usb |
| 04:05.49 | RedDrag0n | ...usb? |
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| 04:07.19 | pipeline | sparr: The obvious candidate is that your graphics chip is overheating... |
| 04:07.30 | pipeline | sparr: Another thing to try is switching between agpgart and nvagp... |
| 04:07.32 | sparr | plausible, but why would it happen so suddenly? |
| 04:07.39 | sparr | ok, ill try that next time i reboot |
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| 04:09.28 | nanobobano | does anyone know a good package that can monitor the net traffic on sarge? |
| 04:10.00 | unlearn | etherape |
| 04:10.04 | unlearn | i think |
| 04:10.32 | abrotman | jnettop |
| 04:10.35 | kspath | define what you want to monitor and it how much detail... |
| 04:10.36 | abrotman | ntop |
| 04:10.44 | kspath | iptraf |
| 04:10.51 | kspath | tcpdump |
| 04:11.02 | abrotman | hehe .. let's play with tcpreplay! |
| 04:11.20 | abrotman | !tell nanobobano about search |
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| 04:12.52 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.57 | deadcat | whats a good software to record my X? like the swf record thing. |
| 04:13.22 | abrotman | bah .. use a camcorder |
| 04:13.30 | deadcat | abrotman: quality will suck. |
| 04:13.46 | abrotman | deadcat: use better tape! |
| 04:13.55 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 04:13.55 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 04:13.56 | deadcat | abrotman: canon s230 camera |
| 04:14.06 | abrotman | !tell tarzeau about msg the bot |
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| 04:14.40 | abrotman | deadcat: and? |
| 04:18.26 | RedDrag0n | can anybody tell me how do I install directFB or configure it so Links2 -g works? |
| 04:19.10 | deadcat | RedDrag0n: console |
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| 04:19.35 | peterS | deadcat: wow, now that was a helpful answer |
| 04:19.37 | RedDrag0n | deadcat: what about it? |
| 04:19.50 | deadcat | peterS: i dont even know thats an answer (= |
| 04:20.35 | RedDrag0n | er... okay... |
| 04:21.08 | peterS | RedDrag0n: I *think* it's just a matter of loading the kernel framebuffer module corresponding to your video card |
| 04:21.15 | peterS | RedDrag0n: but I could be wrong. what sort of video chip have you got? |
| 04:21.21 | kspath | I had svgatextmode and I got 116x60x9 working and then I tried links2 -g working in it also via vty1 it was quite funny |
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| 04:21.51 | RedDrag0n | peterS: SiS 630/730 internal, 64Mb shared RAM |
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| 04:22.24 | peterS | RedDrag0n: try loading the 'sisfb' module then. 'modprobe sisfb' |
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| 04:23.02 | RedDrag0n | peterS: I've used Links2 -g before (back when I made a full debian install with desktop and such and it even ran in a nice terminal graphic window, now it doesn't even works :( ). Kay, how to load that module? |
| 04:23.15 | peterS | RedDrag0n: 'modprobe sisfb' |
| 04:23.27 | RedDrag0n | okay |
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| 04:24.19 | peterS | I wonder if RedDrag0n wears a RedH4t |
| 04:24.54 | deadcat | peterS: i ALMOST bought a red fedora back in the days. (= thank god i didnt. |
| 04:25.04 | curt_ | how-to reinstall with apt? ...like synaptic |
| 04:25.05 | RedDrag0n | peterS: kay, that was weird, I see lots of ..... lines, say, a video error, but when I switch terminals, the font's changed and there's more space |
| 04:25.08 | deadcat | luckily it was so damn $$$ |
| 04:25.22 | deadcat | curt_: --reinstall |
| 04:26.01 | peterS | RedDrag0n: what do you mean 'more space'? |
| 04:26.31 | RedDrag0n | peterS: as in, more text rows and a better font, not that normal terminal one (ms-dos looking) |
| 04:26.57 | peterS | RedDrag0n: does the cursor blink differently from before? |
| 04:27.10 | peterS | RedDrag0n: that's the easiest way to tell if you're still in text mode or if the framebuffer graphics mode is working |
| 04:27.20 | curt_ | deadcat, more info please. apt-get install --reinstall? |
| 04:27.36 | deadcat | there |
| 04:27.47 | deadcat | what more info you need. (= |
| 04:27.57 | _joey | peterS did you install ndiswrapper before ? |
| 04:28.13 | peterS | _joey: no |
| 04:28.21 | RedDrag0n | peterS: it has the "_" blinking character, but say, in a normal linux terminal, the login requester is at the bottom of the screen - now it's in the half of it, leaving the window with the bottom half free for text - I guess it's working? |
| 04:28.23 | deadcat | _joey: no. he doesnt have shitty wireless cards |
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| 04:28.42 | curt_ | deadcat, I got it now. If I could type it woulda worked the first time ;) |
| 04:28.43 | peterS | RedDrag0n: probably. try links2 -g or whatever |
| 04:28.54 | deadcat | RedDrag0n: try xlinks |
| 04:28.58 | _joey | deadcat which ones aren't shitty ? |
| 04:29.02 | deadcat | xlinks2 |
| 04:29.04 | bluenail | hey, I have a file that starts with the - character, how do I rename, move, or otherwise access it? I've tried putting a backslash in front, but no dice still treats the next character as a switch |
| 04:29.07 | deadcat | _joey: what you have? |
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| 04:29.27 | _joey | no, you tell me which ones are not shitty and I'd consider buying it |
| 04:29.32 | RedDrag0n | peterS: I get this http://paste.uni.cc/8633 |
| 04:29.33 | peterS | bluenail: ./-filename |
| 04:29.47 | peterS | bluenail: the ./ means "in the current directory" but also unconfuses those apps |
| 04:29.52 | bluenail | peterS Understood |
| 04:29.53 | deadcat | _joey: any atheros or prism54g are ok |
| 04:30.00 | bluenail | peterS thanks a bunch |
| 04:30.06 | peterS | np |
| 04:30.31 | _joey | cards with atheros chipsets are still using some binary code |
| 04:30.49 | _joey | prism54g only 802.11b is supported ? |
| 04:30.50 | deadcat | _joey: they work |
| 04:31.07 | deadcat | _joey: the name is "g", so why you think its only b? |
| 04:31.17 | peterS | RedDrag0n: ok "file not found" means the framebuffer device file doesn't exist. if you are running udev I don't know the solution to that. if you aren't, you can do: cd /dev; MAKEDEV fb |
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| 04:33.15 | RedDrag0n | whoah, cool peterS, no more file not found now :D now all I get is "(!) DirectFB/core/vt: Error opening `/dev/tty0'! ---> Permission denied" and the last line about 'system' core :D any ideas? (yay, we're progressing xD) |
| 04:34.24 | RedDrag0n | Actually, I'm getting called for a bit, brb! sorry 'bout this |
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| 04:34.29 | peterS | RedDrag0n: I am not certain what is the best solution to that one. you can do 'chmod 666 /dev/tty0' but that may not be the best solution |
| 04:34.39 | RedDrag0n | yeah, guess so |
| 04:34.46 | eviltone | moin |
| 04:35.12 | RedDrag0n | peterS: Brb for a sec, thanks though :D |
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| 04:45.38 | fiXXXerMet | When I first installed postfix via apt-get, I got a configuration wizard - know how to run that again? |
| 04:45.53 | Supaplex | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 04:46.11 | fiXXXerMet | Perfect - thanks |
| 04:47.09 | _joey | how do I uninstall package completely >? |
| 04:48.12 | Paivakil | _joey: dpkg --purge package |
| 04:49.01 | Psi-Jack | Hey, curious, does anyone here use Cyrus-IMAPD ? I'm having difficulties with it not using saslauthd, and would like any help. |
| 04:49.04 | _joey | what about apt-get --remove ? |
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| 04:49.55 | Paivakil | remove uninstalls the package; --purge removes the configuration files too |
| 04:50.19 | _joey | okay |
| 04:50.26 | _joey | I asked to uninstall it |
| 04:50.42 | _joey | and is it possible to use wildcard with dpkg ? |
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| 04:52.02 | _joey | christ |
| 04:52.11 | _joey | how do i use wild card please |
| 04:52.45 | peterS | _joey: apt-get accepts wildcards |
| 04:53.24 | peterS | _joey: so like, apt-get install "evolution*" |
| 04:53.34 | peterS | note the quotes which prevent the shell from expanding the * before its time |
| 04:53.57 | unlearn | hello how do i upgrade to the latest kde in debian? |
| 04:54.41 | peterS | _joey: apt-get also accepts the 'remove' subcommand, so you can remove packages by wildcard too |
| 04:55.11 | paw | I'm having some difficulty setting up a serial pci card, according to lspci, it says that the I/O ports at <value> [disabled], does that look problematic? |
| 04:57.11 | peterS | paw: the 'serial' kernel module should detect these things automatically. this module is built in to most if not all debian kernels |
| 04:57.12 | _joey | thanks |
| 04:57.39 | peterS | paw: does 'dmesg' tell you anything about ttyS0, ttyS1, ttyS2, etc.? |
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| 04:59.10 | paw | peterS: I just see the module being loaded and (when 8250_pci is loaded) PCI: Enabling device: (pci ids of the serial ports), cmd 41 |
| 04:59.41 | paw | peters: setserial fails to detect the uart, it claims unknown |
| 05:00.04 | peterS | paw: weird, that should have worked |
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| 05:00.11 | paw | the irq from lspci -v isn't listed at all in /proc/interrupts |
| 05:00.38 | peterS | paw: you may be able to command the ports with 'stty -F /dev/ttyS0' etc. for baud rate and such |
| 05:00.40 | paw | peterS: it is weird, I'd think that I have a faulty card but someone else tried it in another system and it worked for him |
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| 05:09.44 | nuambenzina | i did installed by mistake from a linux distro grub in a ntfs partition... and now win2k see the filesystem as RAW , and pqmagic as ntfs... any sugesstions ? |
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| 05:11.51 | peterS | nuambenzina: you might try 'ntfsfix' from the ntfsprogs package. it *may* be of some use. |
| 05:12.12 | peterS | nuambenzina: the thing about NTFS, the interesting metadata is in the *middle* of the partition, not at the beginning, so you probably didn't overwrite anything critical |
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| 05:16.23 | nuambenzina | ok i did noted that down on the paper |
| 05:16.47 | nuambenzina | i`m going to get a cofee |
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| 05:17.33 | agent | I just did a basic debian installation |
| 05:17.46 | agent | I want to install xfree86, any advice ??????? |
| 05:18.50 | agent | I didnt install any extra software cause it ran out of space the first time |
| 05:20.08 | peterS | nuambenzina: when lilo installs itself, it makes a backup of the data it overwrites at the beginning of the partition, in /boot/boot.0301 or something like that. I wonder if grub does the same thing. if so, you can restore your ntfs partition that way. |
| 05:20.31 | agent | I used grub, much better than lilo |
| 05:20.42 | peterS | agent: so does it? |
| 05:20.43 | agent | it even lets me select what I want to load |
| 05:21.03 | agent | <--- clueless |
| 05:21.18 | peterS | it looks to me as though grub-install does *not* make a backup of the data it overwrites |
| 05:21.26 | nuambenzina | peterS are y a developer or.. ? |
| 05:21.45 | peterS | nuambenzina: not really. anyway, forget what I said about grub making a backup, it looks to me like it does not |
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| 05:22.31 | nuambenzina | how come that y know about metadata is in the middle , i mean not every people knows that . i saw the metadata "part`s" on a defrag program graphic |
| 05:23.07 | peterS | nuambenzina: dunno, just one of those things, I learned a little about ntfs partition layout once. I think it was while browsing the linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net documentation |
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| 05:24.53 | Marudubshinki | is there any method to have the various packagemanagement programs write a copy of the installed program list so that you can save that one file, import it on a/nother/new system so it will install what is missing? |
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| 05:25.15 | peterS | Marudubshinki: that's what "dpkg --get-selections" and "dpkg --set-selections" are intended for |
| 05:25.21 | Marudubshinki | peterS: thanks |
| 05:25.25 | agent | how do you install xfree86 ??? |
| 05:25.35 | agent | !dpkg xf86 |
| 05:25.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xf86 is XFree86, http://www.xfree86.org, or apt-get install task-x-window-system, or apt-get install task-x-window-system-core |
| 05:25.43 | peterS | Marudubshinki: after dpkg --set-selections, I think you do 'apt-get dselect-upgrade' to make it install everything you told it to |
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| 05:26.24 | Marudubshinki | peterS: I just needed the pointer- I can read up on the man pages once I know what to look for, thanks. better for learning this way. |
| 05:26.31 | peterS | Marudubshinki: have fun |
| 05:26.40 | agent | whats the right keyword for dpkg ? |
| 05:26.47 | agent | for xfree86 installation ? |
| 05:27.14 | peterS | agent: you can just 'apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome' or similar. I think that's enough to get you a gnome desktop environment. |
| 05:27.17 | Guerin | agent: set up x |
| 05:28.35 | agent | how |
| 05:28.46 | agent | it says package has no installation candidate |
| 05:28.56 | agent | and that its refered to by another package |
| 05:29.10 | agent | just type set up x ?? |
| 05:29.30 | peterS | /msg dpkg set up x |
| 05:29.34 | Marudubshinki | agent: did you see what apt-cache search xorg gave you? |
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| 05:30.51 | agent | seems to be working now |
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| 05:31.47 | agent | I can't believe debian installs all of those packages when you select desktop environment |
| 05:32.15 | agent | I like the web server and mail server options, but god damn thats way to much |
| 05:32.21 | peterS | agent: well, you can install and remove packages individually, but when you pick a metapackage designated as "a desktop environment", they do give you a lot of stuff |
| 05:32.23 | agent | and I cant believe I selected it |
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| 05:32.35 | agent | I know |
| 05:32.57 | agent | they shouldnt have that option, kinda defeats the purpose of this great package management system |
| 05:33.14 | peterS | agent: blame the linux distribution reviewers who do nothing except install the OS once then click around the default desktop for a bit until they're bored |
| 05:33.16 | Marudubshinki | agent: I enjoy using aptitude to build up a minimal system |
| 05:33.29 | Marudubshinki | agent: have you looked into debfoster? invaluable |
| 05:33.45 | peterS | agent: to make those reviewers happy, you have to do exactly two things: (1) make the installer really really easy, (2) make sure their favorite software is installed by default (: |
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| 05:34.37 | agent | hehe, thats true |
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| 05:34.44 | g0ll | anyone knows what DE or WM is this ? http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia/images/dia_screen.jpg |
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| 05:35.07 | agent | plus the harddrive sizes are never gonna stop increasing |
| 05:35.18 | Marudubshinki | reminds me of openstep |
| 05:35.32 | peterS | g0ll: looks like wmaker |
| 05:35.45 | nekostar | sup :D |
| 05:35.46 | g0ll | ok thanks, I'll check both os those |
| 05:35.46 | agent | installed but wont start |
| 05:35.50 | peterS | g0ll: but many window managers are themeable so it could be a lot of them |
| 05:35.52 | g0ll | of* |
| 05:36.08 | nekostar | anyone know offhand the command for formatting a partition into fat32/vfat? |
| 05:36.16 | g0ll | peterS, by wmaker you mean "window maker", right? |
| 05:36.24 | ayecee | nekostar, mkfs -t vfat or mkdosfs |
| 05:36.31 | nekostar | doph! |
| 05:36.32 | peterS | g0ll: yes, wmaker is the debian package name |
| 05:36.35 | nekostar | ty ayecee |
| 05:36.39 | g0ll | ok thanks again :) |
| 05:37.03 | nuambenzina | well |
| 05:37.08 | nuambenzina | somebody try to |
| 05:37.19 | nuambenzina | hack my ftp sever |
| 05:37.23 | nuambenzina | from windows |
| 05:37.46 | ayecee | is there a way to determine which packages currently installed came from which sources, or are available from which sources? for the purpose of determining whether a particular source is still used to update packages on system |
| 05:37.55 | nuambenzina | 00068) 21.02.2006 07:37:32 - (not logged in) (148.235.227.228)> 530 Login or password incorrect! |
| 05:37.55 | nuambenzina | (000069) 21.02.2006 07:37:32 - (not logged in) (148.235.227.228)> PASS walker |
| 05:37.55 | nuambenzina | (000069) 21.02.2006 07:37:32 - (not logged in) (148.235.227.228)> 530 Login or password incorrect! |
| 05:37.55 | nuambenzina | (000071) 21.02.2006 07:37:33 - (not logged in) (148.235.227.228)> Connected, sending welcome message... |
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| 05:38.33 | nuambenzina | sorry |
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| 05:38.57 | nuambenzina | what can i do with that abuse ? |
| 05:39.01 | peterS | password 'walker'? watch out, it's CHUCK NORRIS! |
| 05:39.07 | nuambenzina | lol |
| 05:39.29 | nuambenzina | my ftp sever allow anonymous login with an asda@asasd.whatever |
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| 05:39.36 | dannyp | chunk norris's tears can cure cancer |
| 05:39.38 | dannyp | too bad he never cries |
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| 05:39.45 | yos87 | hi |
| 05:39.49 | agent | whats the best command to configure xfree86 ? |
| 05:39.52 | nuambenzina | and dosen`t have an accout :) password protected |
| 05:40.07 | agent | I remember there was something from dpkg that worked really nice |
| 05:40.09 | ayecee | nuambenzina, not a heckuva lot. about the best you could do is determine which ISP the IP belongs to, who their adminstrative contact or abuse contact is, and email them the logs.. at which point they'll promptly forward your email to /dev/null |
| 05:40.12 | peterS | nuambenzina: first of all, make sure you actually need to have an ftp server. if not, uninstall it. if you do - shrug, not much you can do to prevent random people from trying random passwords |
| 05:40.13 | nuambenzina | but this "kid" is tryng a brute force atac i see hm |
| 05:40.28 | ayecee | agent, dpkg-reconfig xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg |
| 05:40.29 | nuambenzina | hm |
| 05:40.34 | yos87 | can we use debian as domain server? |
| 05:40.36 | ayecee | nuambenzina, block the IP. |
| 05:40.42 | ayecee | yos87, sure, who's gonna stop you? |
| 05:40.45 | peterS | yos87: yes, see the 'bind9' package |
| 05:40.48 | nuambenzina | ok, good ideea |
| 05:41.09 | ayecee | nuambenzina, either at the application level or in a firewall. either will do. |
| 05:41.35 | ayecee | agent: err.. dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 05:41.54 | peterS | yos87: actually your term "domain server" is ambiguous - you could mean DNS server, NT domain controller, Kerberos domain controller, Active Directory domain controller |
| 05:42.06 | Supaplex | if lsof shows no processes holding /mnt, why else could it be busy? |
| 05:42.14 | kspath | null route, firewall, tcp wrappers, service level (server options) |
| 05:42.20 | ne0futur | port knocking is a good thing against brute force login attacks |
| 05:42.24 | yos87 | I mean it can be replaced with the advanced server? |
| 05:42.25 | ootput | hi guys, i have several flac music files. After an 'slocate -u' as root, 'locate' doesn't seem to find them. Other files that have flac (not as the extension) are displayed though. |
| 05:42.36 | yos87 | peterS: yea that what I mean |
| 05:42.51 | peterS | yos87: that doesn't narrow it down very much |
| 05:43.08 | peterS | yos87: I told you four things, you didn't say which one, you just said "yea" |
| 05:43.16 | Supaplex | rate limiting and pam restrictions are pretty good against brute force attacks (but not distrubited attacks) |
| 05:43.38 | agent | how can I find out what my video card is ? |
| 05:43.43 | agent | pci probe or something like that ? |
| 05:43.46 | peterS | agent: lspci |
| 05:43.50 | ayecee | ootput, running locate as root as well? |
| 05:43.55 | kspath | lspci | grep VGA |
| 05:44.26 | yos87 | peterS: actually I have no domain, but I want to see the debian server ability, so I want to check all, active directory, domain controller, dns, dhcp and all stuff like that |
| 05:44.46 | yos87 | because my study is windows server 2003 |
| 05:44.57 | yos87 | I'm gonna compare |
| 05:45.04 | peterS | yos87: you can't expect a reasonable answer to a question like "does debian do everything the same as some random server OS I am thinking of in my head?" |
| 05:45.11 | Supaplex | !burp kspath |
| 05:45.33 | kspath | !smite ws2003 |
| 05:45.43 | dagbrown | peterS: Does Debian do everything the same as OS/400? Because if it doesn't, it sucks. |
| 05:45.56 | Supaplex | oh yeah |
| 05:45.56 | ootput | ayecee: yeah |
| 05:46.00 | peterS | dagbrown: no, Debian doesn't support EBCDIC very well, sorry |
| 05:46.03 | ootput | ayecee: oh, no |
| 05:46.12 | Supaplex | heh heh heh |
| 05:46.20 | ootput | ayecee: same outcome |
| 05:46.26 | kspath | you are such an EBCDIC |
| 05:46.30 | dagbrown | peterS: Does it at least have a REXX interpreter? |
| 05:46.35 | peterS | dagbrown: yes |
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| 05:46.39 | dagbrown | Without REXX, all my control decks don't work. |
| 05:46.41 | ootput | ebc dic |
| 05:46.42 | kspath | EBCDIC was so wierd is so wierd |
| 05:46.43 | yos87 | peterS: how should I ask questions? |
| 05:46.52 | peterS | yos87: ask a specific question. not a general question. |
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| 05:47.07 | facr | hey , whats the cmd to start the gui where i can choose mouse , monitor etc. |
| 05:47.08 | Supaplex | how specific? |
| 05:47.10 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 05:47.13 | ootput | yos87: make it as detailed as you possibly can |
| 05:47.23 | peterS | dagbrown: interestingly debian only has *one* rexx interpreter, 'regina-rexx'. I half expected there would be more than one |
| 05:47.33 | yos87 | peterS: ootput: ok, thank you |
| 05:47.45 | dagbrown | kspath: Which EBCDIC did you have in mind? |
| 05:47.46 | peterS | facr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:47.52 | facr | thanks peters |
| 05:47.54 | Supaplex | what's so great about rexx? besides that old remote root compermise (iirc) |
| 05:48.00 | kspath | peterS: are you sure Emacs does not have one in it somewhere? |
| 05:48.13 | peterS | kspath: hmmmm. it probably doesn't, but you never know |
| 05:48.14 | nuambenzina | fixntfs say Mounting volume...FAILED , Attempting to correct errors...Failed, Failed to startup volume: invalid argument Volume is corrupt. You shoud run chkdsk. :D but chkdsk dosent`w work (isn`t a question is just a retoric/feedback) |
| 05:48.25 | kspath | dagbrown: IBM VM/CMS EBCDIC |
| 05:48.26 | dagbrown | Supaplex: IBM mainframes and Amigas used it to great effect. |
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| 05:48.44 | dagbrown | kspath: VM/CMS EBCDIC from the 1960s or from the 1970s? |
| 05:48.56 | yos87 | PeterS: done, I installed bind9 on root termenal, how to run the package? |
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| 05:49.06 | korE_ | wassabi |
| 05:49.37 | peterS | yos87: from the level of your question I conclude that you don't even know what bind9 *is*. perhaps find out what it is before you try to run it. running things when you have no idea what they are supposed to do isn't very productive. |
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| 05:49.43 | kspath | dagbrown: gee, let me see. hmmm /me pulls a vaccum tube out of my butt 1970s |
| 05:50.00 | dagbrown | If you're pulling a vacuum tube out of your butt, that'd be 1960s. |
| 05:50.06 | dagbrown | The 1970s was THE AGE OF THE TRANSISTOR! |
| 05:50.09 | korE_ | dns/bind9/named fun stuff |
| 05:50.14 | kspath | dagbrown: I used it in 1990s had no need to use it before then |
| 05:50.27 | korE_ | can be a pain in the balls to configure |
| 05:50.28 | kspath | dagbrown: yes it was |
| 05:50.47 | Supaplex | and if you're pulling a vacuum tube out of your butt, you should see a proctologist to look for your head while he's at it... ;-) |
| 05:50.57 | kspath | dagbrown: welcome to another episode of then you were there... |
| 05:51.07 | peterS | Supaplex: how does one "see" a proctologist when one's head is in that state? |
| 05:51.08 | korE_ | i need to setup a bnc whats the package name for it? google isnt helping |
| 05:51.31 | Guerin | peterS: a proctologist is about the only person you CAN see |
| 05:51.35 | \amethyst | peterS: I was about to answer that, but thought better of it |
| 05:51.37 | Supaplex | hahaha |
| 05:51.56 | ayecee | korE_, there doesn't appear to be a package for it in the standard debian archives. |
| 05:51.56 | peterS | Guerin: hmmm, you have a point |
| 05:51.56 | Guerin | speaking of people with their heads up their arses |
| 05:52.00 | korE_ | hmmm |
| 05:52.04 | agent | peterS : its saying no screens found |
| 05:52.18 | Guerin | my dumb motherfucker bosses, as we suspected they would, tried to screw us on some of our final pay |
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| 05:52.44 | Guerin | six phone calls and many harsh words in both english and korean have it sorted |
| 05:52.59 | agent | Guerin : help !! its saying no screen found, did the reconfigure thing like ayecee said and now its not working, chose via as my chip .. ayecee help please .. |
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| 05:53.12 | Guerin | agent: do it again |
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| 05:53.19 | yos87 | PeterS: at least you send me somewhere I can find the explanation of bind9! |
| 05:53.24 | Guerin | agent: say no to the kernel framebuffer this time |
| 05:53.29 | peterS | Guerin: this on the theory that by the time you noticed and complained you'd be out of the country and it'd be tough to follow up? |
| 05:53.29 | korE_ | oh yeah thats another question i have, this adduser with nologin thing for mail...i attempted and failed horribly, why is this? |
| 05:53.40 | agent | Guerin it doesnt ask abt that |
| 05:53.42 | korE_ | yos87: google.com/linux |
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| 05:53.51 | Guerin | peterS: no, this is on the false presumption that we are as stupid as them |
| 05:53.57 | kspath | so tired |
| 05:54.14 | Guerin | peterS: dumb motherfuckers claim we only get paid out on renewal. Who signs a contract like that? |
| 05:54.26 | peterS | Guerin: indeed |
| 05:54.38 | Guerin | so, they have an hour and six minutes to pay us, or it's phone call #7 |
| 05:54.40 | korE_ | yos87: http://luniac.com/books/books/network2/dns/index.htm |
| 05:54.45 | \amethyst | korE_: re bnc, does redir do what you want? |
| 05:54.45 | korE_ | dont say i never helped you |
| 05:54.52 | peterS | yos87: you're going about this the wrong way. the right way is to say "I want to have ____ service available", then find a package that provides ____. instead, you are saying "someone said I should install bind9, now I'll do so *then* figure out what it does and why I needed it" |
| 05:55.25 | agent | hahahah, this is the funniest shit ever, it shows the windows is shutting down screen then it exits |
| 05:55.33 | kspath | dagbrown: oh, I forgot to ask. Was there a point to asking about years of EBCDIC? |
| 05:55.47 | peterS | kspath: it's because there is not *one* EBCDIC standard, but several variants |
| 05:55.50 | agent | maybe I have to try different resolutions ?? |
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| 05:56.21 | pabs3 | does anyone else get a md5 mismatch when installing ttf-larabie-straight? |
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| 05:56.34 | korE_ | \amethyst: im really looking for an IRC session bouncer |
| 05:56.35 | kspath | peterS: I was asking dagbrown. Yes, I am familiar with changes. |
| 05:56.56 | peterS | kspath: perhaps ask yourself whether there's a point to talking about EBCDIC on #debian |
| 05:57.07 | peterS | kspath: I suspect the answer will enlighten you as to why one would ask about EBCDIC variants |
| 05:57.23 | korE_ | \amethyst: ie: irc proxy |
| 05:57.34 | r_23 | Hi everyone i have a quick question, Where can i find the find the kernel configuration file for the stock kernel on stable ? |
| 05:57.37 | agent | maybe I need to finish installing gnome then it might work |
| 05:57.41 | kspath | peterS: wow, there was some kind of logic invariance there. |
| 05:57.46 | peterS | r_23: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 05:57.47 | dagbrown | The general reason to talk about stuff like EBCDIC variants is because someone's dumped a pile of 9-track tapes on you and you want to read the data on them. |
| 05:57.59 | \amethyst | korE_: bip ? |
| 05:58.03 | yos87 | korE_: thank for link |
| 05:58.11 | korE_ | yos87: sure |
| 05:58.18 | korE_ | \amethyst: bip? |
| 05:58.20 | kspath | dagbrown: old govt or insurance company data ? |
| 05:58.27 | CompWizrd | dagbrown: while driving down the interstate in a station wagon? |
| 05:58.34 | peterS | no, *new* govt or insurance company data (: |
| 05:58.39 | \amethyst | korE_: one of the things that came up with aptitude search ~d"IRC proxy" |
| 05:58.42 | r_23 | thanks peterS :) |
| 05:58.51 | kspath | peterS: hehehe good one |
| 05:59.05 | yos87 | peterS: but you say, Check bind9 pachage, I never though you mean search about it |
| 05:59.09 | kspath | peterS: some govt depts I would not be surprised |
| 05:59.20 | korE_ | \amethyst: ah, thanks 'priciated (: |
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| 05:59.31 | \amethyst | korE_: I see bip, dircproxy, and ctrlproxy (in sid anyway) |
| 05:59.33 | javiolo | Hi |
| 05:59.57 | \amethyst | korE_: oh, and madoka, nadoka, plum |
| 05:59.57 | peterS | yos87: your original question, I interpreted to mean that you wanted a specific type of server, and I recommended one. then I realised that your question was much more vague. so bind9 will not do everything you are asking for. what it *will* do, you should be able to find out for yourself |
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| 06:00.30 | javiolo | <javiolo>just installed Debian, but I get the screen full of lines |
| 06:00.30 | javiolo | <javiolo>I restarted the X but the same... |
| 06:00.30 | javiolo | <javiolo>can anyone help me ? |
| 06:00.39 | agent | how do you install the mouse driver module for the kernel ? |
| 06:00.45 | agent | its saying no core pointer |
| 06:00.52 | agent | I remember I had to do that last time |
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| 06:00.59 | korE_ | \amethyst: http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/net/bnc how convienient |
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| 06:01.16 | \amethyst | korE_: um, no security updates there are there? |
| 06:02.06 | \amethyst | s/ a/,\&/ |
| 06:02.22 | agent | Guerin : how do you install mouse support in the kernel as a module ? |
| 06:02.24 | agent | or whaterver |
| 06:02.26 | ayecee | so.. any way to get a list of currently installed packages and which apt source they came from / are available from? |
| 06:02.46 | \amethyst | err, meta-s/\\/$/ |
| 06:02.52 | agent | I bet this kernel has support for mouse |
| 06:02.54 | agent | anyway |
| 06:03.01 | \amethyst | agent: ps2 or USB? |
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| 06:03.28 | Uriel_Darling | can some on name a good small window manager that doesn't relay on gtk2 ? |
| 06:03.38 | \amethyst | Uriel_Darling: twm |
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| 06:03.41 | Uriel_Darling | for some reason I have a problem with gtk |
| 06:03.50 | \amethyst | what kind of problem? |
| 06:03.55 | Supaplex | !shredsmite test |
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| 06:04.07 | alarmyst | hi again |
| 06:04.11 | Uriel_Darling | well I don't have a true debian system, i got Damn small linux |
| 06:04.21 | alarmyst | it did the job to get nvidia drivers from unstable |
| 06:04.22 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/modules and add mousedev and psmouse |
| 06:04.23 | Uriel_Darling | and i tried to apt-get a newer version of flux |
| 06:04.35 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 06:04.36 | Uriel_Darling | and no it won't run at all |
| 06:04.41 | Uriel_Darling | now** |
| 06:04.45 | kspath | I can not imagine trying to dig up old hardware that has not been in use for 10-30 years to read/access media and then having to determine encoding/charsets or if they even had upper and lower case |
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| 06:05.22 | d83k | woo hoo |
| 06:05.25 | d83k | i'm in X baby!! |
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| 06:05.40 | vladuz976 | i am trying to compile a library for enlightenment 17 i am getting this error "undefined macro AC_DEFINE AC_MSG_ERROR" what does that mean? anybody here who can help? |
| 06:05.48 | d83k | its like magic when it works |
| 06:05.49 | Uriel_Darling | twm have a apt package tho? |
| 06:06.09 | kspath | apt-cache search twm |
| 06:06.25 | \amethyst | Uriel_Darling: yes. you might not like it, though |
| 06:06.32 | kspath | hehehe |
| 06:06.38 | alarmyst | i freshly upgraded from sarge to testing, with a new generic kernel 2.6.15, my soundcard module is loaded, the gnome alsa mixer works, but there is no sound, and no more /dev/dsp |
| 06:06.54 | d83k | the next feat will be getting wireless to work ... |
| 06:07.01 | jetscreamer | adsp maybe |
| 06:07.07 | Uriel_Darling | why not? |
| 06:07.19 | alarmyst | and aumix says error at opening the mixer |
| 06:07.22 | javiolo | how can I reconfigure my monitor settings ? |
| 06:07.58 | d83k | they did a goog job with this laptop even though it has the cheapest components, sempron, via chipsets all over the place |
| 06:08.07 | d83k | works great, even the sound is great |
| 06:08.13 | \amethyst | Uriel_Darling: oh, aptitude search '~Dprovides:x-window-manager!~Dlibgtk2' |
| 06:08.21 | kspath | javiolo: sarge? testing? unstable? Xorg? XFree? |
| 06:08.27 | javiolo | testing |
| 06:08.40 | Uriel_Darling | after i apt-get twm, what the line to add to .xinitrc ? |
| 06:08.44 | javiolo | dont know if it uses xorg or xfree |
| 06:08.45 | d83k | oh yeah its an averatec ... |
| 06:08.59 | javiolo | I didnt have time to see it |
| 06:09.07 | javiolo | kspath |
| 06:09.16 | kspath | javiolo: egrep xfree /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
| 06:09.19 | kspath | hehehe |
| 06:09.24 | \amethyst | Uriel_Darling: the window manager executable is /usr/bin/X11/twm, if that's what you're asking |
| 06:09.37 | Uriel_Darling | yeah |
| 06:10.16 | kspath | Uriel_Darling: if you are using something as minimal as twm have you thought about ion or pwm ? |
| 06:11.08 | \amethyst | or at least vtwm or ctwm :) |
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| 06:11.18 | kspath | javiolo: there is a dpkg-reconfigure xserver or whatever I do not remember the syntax/name |
| 06:11.29 | pabs3 | kspath: what about tinywm? |
| 06:11.47 | javiolo | kspath yep that was the reconfigure I was looking for |
| 06:11.54 | javiolo | do anyone knows ? |
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| 06:12.22 | pabs3 | if sid, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:12.44 | javiolo | Im on testing |
| 06:12.45 | yos87 | peterS: ok |
| 06:12.45 | pabs3 | if sarge, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (I think) |
| 06:12.51 | javiolo | thanks |
| 06:12.57 | pabs3 | xserver-xorg is in etch |
| 06:13.11 | javiolo | testing is etch ? |
| 06:13.16 | kspath | etch==testing at this time |
| 06:13.27 | javiolo | ok thanks |
| 06:13.29 | JackInTheBox | hi there... how can i install HTB and IMQ device in debian sarge |
| 06:13.30 | kspath | sarge==stable at this time |
| 06:13.55 | alarmyst | does anyone know how to select a specific mixer on a generic kernel ? |
| 06:14.06 | kspath | sid==unstable pyscho punk kid who likes to blowup/smash toys |
| 06:14.07 | d83k | javiolo why would you use testing |
| 06:14.15 | \amethyst | alarmyst: what do you mean by `select'? |
| 06:14.25 | d83k | I would tell you but this is my first time getting into x tonight |
| 06:14.37 | d83k | i think its what pabs3 said |
| 06:14.46 | javiolo | d83k why not ? |
| 06:14.51 | alarmyst | \amethyst: i dont really know it seems i have multiple sound systems enabled by default, oss, alsa, etc |
| 06:14.58 | d83k | isnt it unstable ? |
| 06:15.07 | d83k | bugs, |
| 06:15.07 | alarmyst | and sound isnt working even if my card module is loaded properly |
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| 06:15.25 | alarmyst | gnome alsa mixer works |
| 06:15.28 | alarmyst | but not aumix |
| 06:15.41 | alarmyst | the music plays but no sound is coming out |
| 06:15.41 | javiolo | really ? :0 |
| 06:16.07 | alarmyst | aumix says error at opening mixer |
| 06:16.11 | paje | someone here speaks portuguese??? |
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| 06:16.15 | alarmyst | and other mixers have no effetcs |
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| 06:16.21 | kspath | !br |
| 06:16.21 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 06:16.28 | kspath | !pt |
| 06:16.28 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 06:16.30 | javiolo | I though testing was a good choice... |
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| 06:16.48 | \amethyst | alarmyst: what about command-line alsamixer? |
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| 06:17.08 | Uriel_Darling | X_x |
| 06:17.26 | Uriel_Darling | i don't think that line works to start TWM |
| 06:18.05 | \amethyst | Uriel_Darling: why do you say that? |
| 06:18.15 | d83k | woo hoo sound is already working |
| 06:18.24 | alarmyst | \amethyst: not available |
| 06:18.46 | javiolo | d83k do you use the stable version ? |
| 06:19.04 | alarmyst | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.30 | agent | !sp |
| 06:19.30 | dpkg | sp is probably troubled: you stats pimp! |
| 06:19.38 | agent | !cool |
| 06:19.39 | dpkg | it's spelled cool! get it right!! |
| 06:19.50 | agent | !fuck |
| 06:19.50 | dpkg | fuck is probably a wonderful, versatile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav |
| 06:20.00 | kspath | Uriel_Darling: perhaps you need to look at something a little more full featured, twm is very minimal to the point of saying, what is the point |
| 06:20.15 | jetscreamer | twm rocks |
| 06:20.23 | jetscreamer | you have to configure it though |
| 06:20.25 | agent | gnome is the best right now |
| 06:20.33 | agent | fast and easy to use |
| 06:20.47 | jetscreamer | any *.box or icewm or xfce4 is nice for minimal also |
| 06:20.51 | \amethyst | agent: the best what to use? |
| 06:20.51 | agent | anyway thanks for your help guys, peterS , Guerin and ayecee |
| 06:20.57 | JackInTheBox | hi there... could you help me out? how do i install HTB and IMQ modules? |
| 06:21.02 | agent | window manager |
| 06:21.08 | kspath | twm: I did not say it sucked. I was just trying to get Uriel_Darling to think about using something a little easier if reading documentation is a hassle |
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| 06:21.33 | \amethyst | agent: oh, you mean metacity? |
| 06:21.35 | kspath | agent: ummm gnome and kde and even xfce are HUGE pigs |
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| 06:21.54 | JackInTheBox | hi there... could you help me out? how do i install HTB and IMQ modules? |
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| 06:21.56 | \amethyst | I use sawfish, but I wouldn't call it small |
| 06:22.10 | agent | the minimal stuff is crappy though like blackbox and the rest |
| 06:22.14 | agent | window maker sucks |
| 06:22.22 | yogi | I am trying to install debian on amd64, but the installer is hanging at 'Preparing Flex'... |
| 06:22.27 | jetscreamer | !start a dm war |
| 06:22.27 | dpkg | xdm is just shit! |
| 06:22.30 | Uriel_Darling | twm runs! |
| 06:22.36 | kspath | agent: crappy, because you are not capable of using them? |
| 06:22.36 | \amethyst | sawfish is one of the more powerful ones, though... |
| 06:22.43 | Uriel_Darling | don't ask why it didn't at first... |
| 06:22.45 | jetscreamer | !start a wm war |
| 06:22.45 | dpkg | CDE blows goats! |
| 06:22.46 | yogi | I switched to the second console, and it appears that aptitude is a zombie ;( |
| 06:22.58 | \amethyst | Uriel_Darling: not used to interactive placement? |
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| 06:23.01 | agent | I've used them, yes sirry! but I find gnome to have gotten faster |
| 06:23.10 | gokee2 | Hi all I am trying to get my moniter into a higher mode then 832x624 I edited the XF86config-4 and it stays the same |
| 06:23.16 | jetscreamer | !pal agent |
| 06:23.25 | agent | !hot plug |
| 06:23.29 | agent | !hotplug |
| 06:23.30 | dpkg | methinks hotplug is a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover, or now replaced by udev in etch+ |
| 06:23.33 | jetscreamer | gokee2: hwinfo --monitor |
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| 06:23.38 | jetscreamer | note the bottom |
| 06:23.43 | jetscreamer | crt or lcd though |
| 06:23.52 | Uriel_Darling | not used to much |
| 06:24.07 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: -bash: hwinfo: command not found |
| 06:24.08 | Uriel_Darling | now, where does the file for the menu in twm live? |
| 06:24.19 | jetscreamer | gokee2: apt-get install hwinfo |
| 06:24.31 | \amethyst | Uriel_Darling: .twmrc |
| 06:24.32 | gokee2 | ah right |
| 06:24.47 | jetscreamer | gokee2: add read-edid mdetect to that |
| 06:24.55 | jm_ | Uriel_Darling: man update-menus |
| 06:24.56 | \amethyst | Uriel_Darling: see /usr/lib/X11/twm/system.twmrc for examples |
| 06:25.03 | kspath | Uriel_Darling: man twm has some good information for you. |
| 06:25.04 | jetscreamer | pits in the eyes |
| 06:25.33 | kspath | Uriel_Darling: I checked the manpage before saying that as well... I already had twm installed. |
| 06:25.53 | jetscreamer | twm comes with x-window-system if that helps |
| 06:26.01 | jetscreamer | (or is pulled in by) |
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| 06:26.17 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: ok they are all instaled now |
| 06:26.29 | jetscreamer | maybe in /etc/X11/twm but i forget |
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| 06:26.43 | jetscreamer | gokee2: is this a crt or an lcd |
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| 06:26.49 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: jetscreamer a crt |
| 06:26.54 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.54 | jetscreamer | okie |
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| 06:27.24 | jetscreamer | note the vert and horiz values when you run the command gokee2 |
| 06:27.31 | jetscreamer | at the bottom |
| 06:27.34 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: the hwinfo --monitor thing changed the name of the coputer a bunch of times real fast then does nothing?.. ? |
| 06:27.45 | jetscreamer | use sudo |
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| 06:27.52 | jetscreamer | yes as user it does |
| 06:28.10 | jetscreamer | or su if yhou don't have sudo |
| 06:28.12 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: I am root right now |
| 06:28.18 | jetscreamer | ah hmm |
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| 06:28.56 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: I am doing it through ssh... but that does not matter does it? |
| 06:29.01 | jetscreamer | console or xterm |
| 06:29.05 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 06:29.26 | jetscreamer | it seems to be a permission thing though, it does that here when i do it as user |
| 06:30.12 | jetscreamer | well gokee2 you can google the monitor specs... but if you're remote you can't see that monitor, so... |
| 06:30.17 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: why does root not have enough permission....? |
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| 06:30.35 | jetscreamer | root does, but it must be an ssh related permission |
| 06:30.45 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 06:30.50 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: I am sitting next to the computer I just use ssh becouse I am uping and downing the xserver while working |
| 06:30.55 | jetscreamer | try it locally |
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| 06:31.08 | gokee2 | I tried it locally and it did the same thing |
| 06:31.22 | gokee2 | No Xserver running right now on the comp if that matters |
| 06:31.26 | jetscreamer | console or xterm |
| 06:31.30 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 06:31.32 | wotnarg | what would be the easiest way to take a file and move it to another box in a script, assuming I can do whatever I want to the other box and am I user in the first box. |
| 06:31.46 | jetscreamer | works here. if you cant get it going, google the monitor model number |
| 06:31.47 | wotnarg | *a |
| 06:31.49 | \amethyst | wotnarg: scp |
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| 06:32.11 | \amethyst | wotnarg: or run an FTP server on the second box |
| 06:32.37 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: why does the moniter matter? does the computer know what the moniter is? |
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| 06:33.00 | wotnarg | scp would probably be the best option, ftp will end up being a hassle |
| 06:33.03 | jetscreamer | you need the vertical and horizontal 'refresh' values |
| 06:33.11 | jetscreamer | so you can put them in your xorg.conf |
| 06:33.19 | jetscreamer | via drxx |
| 06:33.27 | gokee2 | heh still useing xf86 |
| 06:33.29 | jetscreamer | !tell gokee2 -about drxx |
| 06:33.36 | gokee2 | hmmm |
| 06:33.42 | jetscreamer | same thing diff name |
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| 06:33.59 | jetscreamer | /window next maybe |
| 06:34.00 | Sashi | hey |
| 06:34.05 | Sashi | hows the 64port? |
| 06:34.05 | jetscreamer | !hey |
| 06:34.06 | dpkg | Hello |
| 06:34.27 | gokee2 | alt does it |
| 06:34.29 | gokee2 | ok |
| 06:34.41 | gokee2 | I got hwinfo working |
| 06:34.46 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 06:35.01 | jetscreamer | write down the values and do the drxx dance |
| 06:35.12 | jetscreamer | choose advanced |
| 06:35.17 | jetscreamer | when asked |
| 06:35.39 | gokee2 | ble or not that was its config message I typed monitor wrong |
| 06:35.42 | jetscreamer | don't use framebuffer if you have nvidia |
| 06:35.48 | kspath | Uriel_Darling: You have me curious now. What was motivation or trigger for you wanting twm ? |
| 06:36.18 | dagbrown | twm? Works when everything else breaks |
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| 06:36.37 | dagbrown | Which reminds me, has the libXft commotion fixed itself? |
| 06:36.42 | jetscreamer | see also the maker's site |
| 06:37.09 | Supaplex | !shredsmite sleep |
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| 06:38.15 | delmar | hey everyone. |
| 06:38.24 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: I got it its Horizontal, 30 - 95 KHz (automatic) Vertical, 50 - 160 Hz (automatic) |
| 06:38.40 | gokee2 | can`t I just put that in the xf86config-4 file? |
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| 06:39.05 | dagbrown | gokee2: Use the other ' character |
| 06:39.30 | gokee2 | dagbrown: mmm? |
| 06:39.40 | dagbrown | gokee2: ` isn't an apostrophe. ' is. |
| 06:40.07 | RedDrag0n | Okay at last I made Framebuffer work... now how do I make it work inside an XTerm (or make an XTerm use SVGALib?) |
| 06:40.25 | jetscreamer | ok so do the drxx dance |
| 06:40.30 | jetscreamer | choose advanced |
| 06:40.31 | delmar | there is a way to hook multiple systems together to share CPU resources right? say if I wanted to compile on system A, but also use the resources on systems B and C... anyone point me in the right direction package wise? |
| 06:40.36 | jetscreamer | damn, a new song |
| 06:40.46 | dagbrown | delmar: That covers an *awful* lot of territory |
| 06:40.46 | jetscreamer | beowulf |
| 06:40.54 | jetscreamer | google beowulf |
| 06:41.08 | delmar | dagbrown, heh. just thought it might be fun to look at.. some kinda clustering.. just to learn how its put together. |
| 06:41.09 | dagbrown | Unless you just want to distribute, say, compiling. (That's distcc) |
| 06:41.18 | delmar | dagbrown, cool ill start there. |
| 06:41.30 | jetscreamer | !beowulf |
| 06:41.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, beowulf is that nifty cluster technology at http://www.beowulf.org, or http://www.debian.org/ports/beowulf/ |
| 06:41.38 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 06:41.38 | dagbrown | beowulf is rather more of an upheaval for your system than distcc is. |
| 06:41.55 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: whats the "ddr dance"? |
| 06:41.59 | delmar | yeah. one thing at a time. ill start with compiling quickness and move up :P |
| 06:42.02 | gokee2 | drxx* |
| 06:42.07 | jetscreamer | !tell gokee2 -about drxx |
| 06:42.15 | Gnea | gokee2: Dance Dance Revolution |
| 06:42.21 | dagbrown | gokee2: Paranoia 190 |
| 06:42.39 | jetscreamer | mushkin |
| 06:42.55 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: I need to recompile the whole xserver??? |
| 06:42.59 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:43.05 | jetscreamer | no it's just configuring |
| 06:43.12 | gokee2 | :0 |
| 06:43.18 | jetscreamer | writes a new XF86Config-4 |
| 06:43.30 | gokee2 | Why can`t I do it in the XF86Config-4 myself then? |
| 06:43.35 | jetscreamer | in your case, or xorg.conf in others |
| 06:43.47 | jetscreamer | if you do read line 17 of it before editing |
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| 06:44.05 | jetscreamer | and have fun |
| 06:44.16 | Uriel_Darling | i got twm going |
| 06:44.17 | jetscreamer | if you don't have the line i mean you have an older version |
| 06:44.22 | jetscreamer | !xmd5 |
| 06:44.23 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 06:44.24 | concept10 | delmar, there is also a project that allows you to compile across multiple machines, i forget what its called. |
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| 06:44.37 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum"? |
| 06:44.47 | isul | quit |
| 06:44.56 | jetscreamer | yes strangely enough |
| 06:45.01 | gokee2 | nano does not have line numbering :/ |
| 06:45.20 | gokee2 | whats that do? |
| 06:45.31 | jetscreamer | scroll up? |
| 06:45.42 | jetscreamer | !tell gokee2 -about xmd5 |
| 06:45.44 | Uriel_Darling | i don't have the man file for twm |
| 06:45.49 | Uriel_Darling | how do i get it? |
| 06:46.38 | jetscreamer | you 'should' have it |
| 06:46.49 | gokee2 | Why is it bad if dpkg can`t reconfigur? |
| 06:47.25 | Uriel_Darling | john@box:~$ man twm |
| 06:47.29 | Uriel_Darling | Sorry, no MAN page available |
| 06:48.04 | jetscreamer | gokee2: it's only bad if you want it to and it can't eh |
| 06:48.14 | jetscreamer | if you don't care don't care |
| 06:48.23 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: I have made the changes it still does not work |
| 06:48.39 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: I will switch the comp to Xorg when I get time |
| 06:48.58 | jetscreamer | maybe you did it wrong and that is the purpose of dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:49.08 | jetscreamer | but who knows |
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| 06:49.29 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: jetscreamer does being a Generic Monitor have anything to do with it? |
| 06:49.40 | jetscreamer | it's just a name |
| 06:49.47 | jetscreamer | you can change it if you want |
| 06:50.06 | jetscreamer | did you install read-edid and mdetect also? |
| 06:50.19 | jetscreamer | if not, do so and do the drxx dance |
| 06:50.22 | jetscreamer | or don' |
| 06:50.24 | jetscreamer | tt |
| 06:50.29 | gokee2 | I installed em |
| 06:50.35 | jetscreamer | well |
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| 06:50.44 | jetscreamer | xmd5 first now eh |
| 06:50.50 | gokee2 | xserver driver |
| 06:50.55 | gokee2 | whats a good one? |
| 06:50.57 | userl | where I found sun-j2sdk1.5 ? |
| 06:50.59 | jetscreamer | your card |
| 06:51.07 | jetscreamer | on the sun site |
| 06:51.19 | userl | what site |
| 06:51.22 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: I er... don`t know the card |
| 06:51.40 | jetscreamer | gokee2: lspci | less and look |
| 06:51.48 | jetscreamer | maybe lspci -v if you want |
| 06:51.58 | userl | debian.org don't find |
| 06:52.23 | jetscreamer | http://java.sun.com/linux/ yeah |
| 06:52.43 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
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| 06:52.57 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: does that mean I should use ati? |
| 06:53.09 | jetscreamer | well i'd say ati or so for your choice but i'm not sure i've never had an ati |
| 06:53.20 | jetscreamer | there's a list on xfree site |
| 06:53.25 | jetscreamer | if you need |
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| 06:54.00 | jetscreamer | cuz a rage is older and there might be a dff driver module |
| 06:54.23 | jetscreamer | it's also in the docs locally |
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| 06:54.46 | userl | thank you |
| 06:54.51 | lish | i installed "apmd" ,but when i run the command, it prompts:No APM support in kernel. No "apm"'s item in modconf 's module list. The only way to me is reconfigure my kernel? |
| 06:55.26 | Deviendra | Good bye everyone. |
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| 06:55.29 | jetscreamer | lish: you compiled that one yourself? |
| 06:55.55 | lish | jetscreamer: I havent done that. i only run "modconf" wanting to resolve this. |
| 06:56.16 | lish | Before i 'm using Debian |
| 06:56.21 | jetscreamer | lish as far as i knew stock debian kernels came with it |
| 06:56.23 | lish | 's kernel directly |
| 06:56.47 | lish | Oh. But why that prompt? |
| 06:56.56 | concept10 | Someone please help me correct this. When logging on at the GDM, I have a popup complaining about the .dmrc file has wrong permissions. It says it should be 644. I have it set 644, any more suggestions? That popup bugs me. |
| 06:57.02 | jetscreamer | come with the modules |
| 06:57.44 | jetscreamer | concept10: chown it, or try just mv'ing it. i had that and i 'think' i did one of those |
| 06:57.47 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: ok done starting x |
| 06:57.51 | jetscreamer | try chowning your whole home dir |
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| 06:58.11 | jetscreamer | gokee2: did you do the md5sum thing before drxx |
| 06:58.26 | jetscreamer | if not it didn't change |
| 06:58.39 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: yes I did |
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| 06:59.12 | \amethyst | concept10: is the file owned by you? what are the perms on your home directory? |
| 06:59.12 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: the xserver still does not work with higher then 640x480 |
| 06:59.13 | concept10 | jetscreamer, thats crazy stuff, I own it already, I think that this error happened when I mv'ed it before because I had problems applying themes |
| 06:59.42 | concept10 | \amethyst, yeah, i own it and the perms are 644 already |
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| 06:59.54 | \amethyst | concept10: what about the perms and ownership on ~/ |
| 06:59.54 | jetscreamer | yeah ok concept10 |
| 07:00.16 | jetscreamer | gokee2: http://www.rage3d.com/content/articles/atilinuxhowto/ |
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| 07:00.56 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: ok thanks |
| 07:01.02 | concept10 | \amethyst, my home dir is 777 |
| 07:01.06 | \amethyst | concept10: aha |
| 07:01.19 | \amethyst | concept10: gdm will reject .dmrc if your home dir is writeable by others |
| 07:01.20 | jetscreamer | crazy man |
| 07:01.47 | concept10 | i wonder how it was changed to 777 |
| 07:02.07 | jetscreamer | magic |
| 07:02.30 | concept10 | can root still write to that dir if I change to rwx for me only? |
| 07:02.38 | jetscreamer | of course |
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| 07:04.33 | lish | apm: overridden by ACPI -- i find this using 'dmesg |grep apm' |
| 07:05.18 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: how do I get my kernel source into /usr/src ? I don`t see my kernel source in apt |
| 07:05.20 | concept10 | \amethyst, jetscreamer thanks, hope that works |
| 07:06.12 | concept10 | gosh, i hate hidden files. I have all types of crap in my /home |
| 07:06.25 | jetscreamer | gokee2: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` or linux-headers if you run a later. |
| 07:06.41 | jetscreamer | note the ` not ' |
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| 07:06.57 | lish | i want to let the PC sleep and restart at some time ,can it ? |
| 07:07.21 | concept10 | I wish there was a command to delete all unused .conf files in hidden directories but I guess that would be dangerous |
| 07:07.25 | jetscreamer | usually. depends on the box |
| 07:07.58 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: I got Package kernel-headers-2.4.26-1-386 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 07:08.09 | jetscreamer | you can delete everything except the .bashrc and .bash_profile , iirc. but ymmv play it safe look before you leap |
| 07:08.26 | jetscreamer | gokee2: old kernel, an install one i guess. |
| 07:08.39 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: GAAAAA |
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| 07:08.51 | jetscreamer | gokee2: you could install a new one, and the headers, or just compile one |
| 07:09.00 | gokee2 | I think I already did install one |
| 07:09.06 | gokee2 | but I would need to restart |
| 07:09.15 | jetscreamer | do the headers AFTER you do the kernel, not same time or you'll get an error (or can) |
| 07:09.26 | gokee2 | Its been up 24 days |
| 07:09.28 | gokee2 | :/ |
| 07:09.31 | jetscreamer | well |
| 07:09.33 | gokee2 | I hate taking it dows |
| 07:09.35 | gokee2 | down* |
| 07:09.38 | jetscreamer | do you need x that bad? :) |
| 07:09.47 | gokee2 | hehe kind of |
| 07:09.55 | gokee2 | I am getting more annoyed every day |
| 07:09.55 | jetscreamer | apt-get install mc |
| 07:10.01 | gokee2 | mc? |
| 07:10.06 | jetscreamer | !info mc |
| 07:10.16 | dpkg | mc: (midnight commander - a powerful file manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:4.6.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2091 kB, Installed size: 5260 kB |
| 07:10.27 | RedDrag0n | Kay.... anyone available? I finally got Links running all happy and nice under DirectFB, but what about making it run -inside- a virtual terminal? |
| 07:10.43 | gokee2 | jetscreamer: What good does mc do me? |
| 07:10.57 | gokee2 | I have tried it once... seemed like a normal konsole |
| 07:10.58 | jetscreamer | makes console life easier |
| 07:11.07 | RedDrag0n | -way- easier |
| 07:11.09 | jetscreamer | it's a file manager |
| 07:11.14 | jetscreamer | for console |
| 07:11.17 | \amethyst | bah, M-x dired :) |
| 07:11.50 | jetscreamer | uptime is overrated anyway |
| 07:12.03 | jetscreamer | did you turn the power off, yeah |
| 07:12.17 | jetscreamer | my box has been 'on' for a few years :) |
| 07:12.29 | gokee2 | hehe |
| 07:12.31 | jetscreamer | cept power outages :( |
| 07:12.41 | gokee2 | my uptime tells me when the power went out last |
| 07:13.03 | jetscreamer | oh and upgrades :) |
| 07:13.14 | gokee2 | Woo |
| 07:13.18 | gokee2 | mc is strange |
| 07:13.33 | gokee2 | why not use konqer though |
| 07:13.41 | jetscreamer | go ahead |
| 07:13.48 | jetscreamer | it's a choice |
| 07:14.10 | jetscreamer | i like xfe |
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| 07:14.54 | RedDrag0n | xfe rocks |
| 07:15.05 | gokee2 | mc might be cool after I get used to it |
| 07:15.15 | gokee2 | xfe? |
| 07:15.24 | jetscreamer | the editor is nice |
| 07:15.29 | jetscreamer | !info xfe |
| 07:15.35 | RedDrag0n | X File Explorer, similar to Windows 98's explorer Oo |
| 07:15.35 | dpkg | xfe: (lightweight file manager for X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.88-1 (sid), Packaged size: 881 kB, Installed size: 2896 kB |
| 07:15.40 | gokee2 | my computer screamed at me for telling it to reboot |
| 07:15.57 | jetscreamer | NOW |
| 07:16.15 | dagbrown | AAAAAAAAA! I'M NOT GOING TO REBOOT! SHAN'T! WON'T! YOU CAN'T MAKE ME, YOU SILLY OLD ADMIN! |
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| 07:16.24 | gokee2 | now it refuses to come back up :0 |
| 07:16.45 | jetscreamer | well that's not good |
| 07:16.53 | RedDrag0n | ouch |
| 07:16.57 | gokee2 | ah here it comes |
| 07:17.01 | gokee2 | not to see if it will boot |
| 07:17.14 | gokee2 | crap the ner kernel it not there |
| 07:17.18 | gokee2 | new* |
| 07:17.37 | jetscreamer | grub or lilo |
| 07:17.50 | gokee2 | grub |
| 07:17.59 | gokee2 | NOOOOOO |
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| 07:20.40 | konfuzed | ok does etch use lilo or grub by default |
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| 07:22.54 | konfuzed | ok perhaps more importantly to do a dual boot install which is a better choice boot loader to use |
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| 07:25.06 | RedDrag0n | konfuzed: both are good, but I prefer Lilo... Sarge installed Grub on here though, so I'm using that for the moment Oo. |
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| 07:28.33 | konfuzed | ive seen a bunch of mention about lilo and grub lately on the channel |
| 07:28.55 | RedDrag0n | Maybe, I've been a bit away |
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| 07:29.02 | konfuzed | thought I saw mention of one of them being a paid for dual boot systems |
| 07:29.17 | konfuzed | ? |
| 07:29.24 | konfuzed | being paid? who wrote that |
| 07:29.43 | konfuzed | ah, being a Pain |
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| 07:30.59 | RedDrag0n | Yeah |
| 07:31.11 | RedDrag0n | both are free ^^ |
| 07:31.27 | konfuzed | how well do those LS120 drives work in debian |
| 07:31.58 | concept10 | konfuzed, people still use those? |
| 07:32.04 | konfuzed | ive got a guy with 2 |
| 07:32.17 | konfuzed | needs to at least get the data off |
| 07:32.35 | concept10 | I have a couple of zip drives, i dont even touch em anymore |
| 07:33.05 | concept10 | I have to post this, this is hilarious! http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/02/17/videos-volkswagens-bizarre-gti-fast-commercials/ |
| 07:33.16 | concept10 | watch the last two |
| 07:33.34 | konfuzed | i wonder if XP under xen or sometin would be able to use them properly |
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| 07:34.00 | konfuzed | and a Wacom tablet with mouse |
| 07:34.53 | konfuzed | anyone ever hear of actually running these wacom tablet and mice under debian |
| 07:35.57 | konfuzed | shite I cant avoid the dual boot I think |
| 07:35.57 | konfuzed | hes go this canon dedicated slide scanner |
| 07:35.57 | dagbrown | konfuzed: Yeah, I just plugged it in and it worked |
| 07:35.57 | konfuzed | slides only, looks like a small ups with slot |
| 07:35.58 | dagbrown | The Wacom tablet-and-mouse |
| 07:36.04 | konfuzed | dagbrown: seriously? |
| 07:36.17 | dagbrown | Getting it to work as a tablet required a touch more work, but as a mouse it worked perfectly first time. |
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| 07:36.27 | konfuzed | oh kewl |
| 07:36.30 | konfuzed | good start |
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| 07:37.32 | konfuzed | i cant remember if those LS-120 plug into floppy cable or ide |
| 07:38.03 | alynx | is the dh_make -e "mail address" -f "file" correct? |
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| 07:41.27 | konfuzed | if i can do the LS120 and the wacom tablet then i might be able to avoid the dual boot scenario |
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| 07:45.35 | javiolo | buenas alguien me puede ayudar |
| 07:45.46 | javiolo | no consigo entrar en las x |
| 07:45.54 | javiolo | sorry |
| 07:46.00 | javiolo | Can anyone help me |
| 07:46.06 | javiolo | I cant startx |
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| 07:46.57 | streuner | javiolo: what error? |
| 07:47.32 | javiolo | I think one thing is when Im doing the dpkg reconfigure |
| 07:47.37 | facr | how do i add a user to sudo |
| 07:48.53 | javiolo | it writes the name of my card with strange simbols |
| 07:49.22 | jm_ | facr: man sudoers |
| 07:49.23 | chealer | javiolo: that shouldn't be a problem. check your X log |
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| 07:49.43 | facr | thanks |
| 07:50.13 | javiolo | chealer ok let me check |
| 07:50.22 | enveezee | is anyone able to contact hydrogen.sf.net? the page gives me a redirect that seems to be forbidden |
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| 07:51.54 | javiolo | chealer whats the error log ? |
| 07:52.07 | TurboBee | when i try to ifup my eth1 device |
| 07:52.10 | javiolo | I mean how is called |
| 07:52.11 | TurboBee | i get this msg eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 07:52.19 | TurboBee | but the device moduels are loaded |
| 07:52.22 | TurboBee | i have two nic cards |
| 07:52.58 | chealer | javiolo: /var/log/Xsomething.log |
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| 07:55.07 | nkuttler | TurboBee: does the card appear in /var/log/messages? whan happens when you modprobe the modules? |
| 07:55.30 | chealer | enveezee: I got something after a long time then a connection refused when it redirects |
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| 07:57.05 | ootput | hi guys, i have several flac music files. After an 'slocate -u' as root, 'locate' doesn't seem to find them. Other files that have flac (not as the extension) are displayed though. |
| 07:57.48 | TurboBee | its already modprobed |
| 07:57.52 | TurboBee | lemme check |
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| 07:59.38 | TurboBee | er brb |
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| 08:01.57 | \amethyst | ootput: anything of interest in the PRUNEFS or PRUNEPATHS lines of /etc/updatedb.conf ? |
| 08:02.13 | ootput | \amethyst: yes there is. the solution :) |
| 08:02.30 | \amethyst | ootput: yay |
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| 08:02.32 | ootput | i just figured it out a moment ago |
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| 08:02.48 | \amethyst | well, I feel slow now :) |
| 08:02.48 | ootput | [solved] |
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| 08:05.15 | ootput | \amethyst: you wouldn't happen to be familiar with dual monitor setup with nvidia do you? |
| 08:05.27 | ootput | \amethyst: if you do, you have a chance to redeem yourself |
| 08:05.37 | ootput | ;) |
| 08:06.20 | \amethyst | ootput: I haven't used the nvidia drivers for some time |
| 08:06.38 | \amethyst | ootput: I'm doing dual-monitor now, but that's with Xinerama (and no DRI) |
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| 08:07.23 | ootput | \amethyst: everything working ok? |
| 08:07.38 | jm_ | that's explaned in README that comes with Nvidia's driver |
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| 08:08.04 | \amethyst | ootput: other than the lack of DRI |
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| 08:13.43 | duckdown | Hey all.. Novice user, just installed Etch and I'm here in Gnome now. I have a new generation (AR5006X) Atheros wireless card and just need to know how to get it working here on my laptop and my system is perfect :) |
| 08:13.57 | Vlad | any f/grep gurus here? |
| 08:14.55 | SlayerXP | Vlad: nope. |
| 08:15.17 | pureone | duckdown, your either need to apt-get install madwifi (check apt-cache search madwifi) or compile madwifi against your current kernel sources |
| 08:15.40 | duckdown | aptitude is probably much better for a noob like me :) |
| 08:15.40 | Vlad | too bad Slayer :( |
| 08:15.46 | mhall | ootput: so, ootput is Canadian for output? |
| 08:16.02 | ootput | mhall: hehe |
| 08:16.08 | duckdown | thanks pureone let me try the apt-cache search |
| 08:16.14 | pureone | duckdown, its not as hard as you think and its good to know how to do it :) |
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| 08:16.28 | mhall | and if it fails just duckdown and cover |
| 08:16.31 | SlayerXP | Vlad: there might be some people who _aren't_ gurus, but do know how to answer your question though. |
| 08:16.41 | duckdown | pureone: Does the kernel need to be recompiled? |
| 08:16.42 | SlayerXP | Vlad: we'll never know until you actually ask a sensible question, though. |
| 08:16.56 | pureone | duckdown, negitive |
| 08:17.03 | mhall | !nickometer \amethyst |
| 08:17.04 | dpkg | '\amethyst' is 0.000% lame, mhall |
| 08:17.25 | pureone | madwifi is a kernel module |
| 08:17.26 | mhall | hmm that's a real nickometer bug |
| 08:17.29 | mhall | !nickometer \\amethyst |
| 08:17.31 | dpkg | '\\amethyst' is 38.000% lame, mhall |
| 08:17.35 | mhall | there's why |
| 08:17.39 | mhall | fucking escape chars |
| 08:17.40 | Vlad | well, trying do to setup a black list with procmail... so I retrieve the TO header fromn the incoming emails and would like the blacklist file to test each entry (line) against the TO header and if there is a hit --> /dev/null |
| 08:18.02 | Vlad | extracting the TO header is simple |
| 08:18.11 | duckdown | pureone: hrmm, apt-cache search madwifi only yields hostapd.. one result |
| 08:18.16 | SlayerXP | Vlad: you'll want to join #procmail |
| 08:18.21 | Vlad | but fgrep/grep... I never achieved to get that to work |
| 08:18.34 | Vlad | well, none's there in #procmail |
| 08:18.39 | qweo | duckdown: first make sure what your card is supported by Linux.If it is,build the kernel with your card suppord or load module for your card.Then,if your card is supported by kernel,you need to configure it.If you want to do it manualy,read the iwconfig manual.Else,you may need the network configurator,such is http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1278 |
| 08:18.58 | pureone | duckdown, im on unstable and i get madwifi-sources |
| 08:18.58 | Vlad | basically I need to compare a list of entries to a given string |
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| 08:19.29 | duckdown | qweo: I'm pretty sure its not supported by it, I need that madwifi tool |
| 08:19.30 | Vlad | I could to that with php, open file.... but I think that would be a waste of ressources |
| 08:19.30 | pureone | so looks like your have to download the source and build it by hand |
| 08:19.48 | pureone | ive never done it on debian only gentoo so im not sure of all the steps to take |
| 08:19.53 | duckdown | pureone: OK I can give that a try |
| 08:20.02 | pureone | ok good luck |
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| 08:21.19 | jm_ | Vlad: you don't need to use grep for that, use formail like it's being used in vacation recipe in man procmailex |
| 08:22.38 | Vlad | I'll have a look at that :) thx |
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| 08:23.09 | gx260 | heloo |
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| 08:24.05 | Yvette | is there a tutorial about configuring xgl or anything else? |
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| 08:26.08 | qweo | Yvette: try http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_XGL,it's gentoo-specific,but it can applied for Debian too |
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| 08:26.36 | Yvette | qweo: but i am not using a nvidia or Ati video card. |
| 08:27.07 | Yvette | qweo: it's chipset of intel i810. |
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| 08:29.52 | duplex | Is there an option to mv that will preserve all permissions, etc... like rsync -a does? |
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| 08:30.24 | duplex | I'd read the man page, but unfortunately 'man', just like 'rsync' isn't exactly working right now. |
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| 08:30.55 | foo | hm |
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| 08:32.53 | konfuzed | duplex: there are sites on the net with every version of manpage one can imagine |
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| 08:33.17 | duplex | konfuzed: Yeah nothing is working right now except what I already had running. No web browser, nothing. |
| 08:33.37 | konfuzed | oh i see semi hung |
| 08:33.40 | duplex | Pretend I have no /usr/ whatsoever :-/ Because in reality that's not far from the truth. |
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| 08:34.06 | TurboBee | yay got eth1 up |
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| 08:34.16 | TurboBee | how do i get this to masquerade my internet? :) |
| 08:34.17 | konfuzed | my firefox choked on some web page and crashed my x session |
| 08:34.23 | TurboBee | gottta be a magic command somewhere |
| 08:34.56 | TurboBee | masquerading is like internet forwarding to eth1 from eth0 isnt it? |
| 08:34.59 | konfuzed | duplex: how bout ctrl-alt-3 to give you a secondary console login |
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| 08:35.18 | \amethyst | TurboBee: apt-get install ipmasq |
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| 08:35.31 | TurboBee | i did that... when eth1 was down how do i reconfigure it? |
| 08:35.33 | duplex | konfuzed: No you don't understand. /usr/ is gone completely. I need to find a way to copy it from my backups. |
| 08:35.44 | pureone | TurboBee, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/home-router-howto.xml ignore the stuff thats gentoo only |
| 08:35.55 | duplex | I thought rsync was in /sbin/ for some reason, and just deleted /usr/ |
| 08:36.00 | \amethyst | TurboBee: try /etc/init.d/ipmasq start after the network is up |
| 08:36.17 | konfuzed | duplex: hm pickly |
| 08:36.21 | TurboBee | its not configured right |
| 08:36.23 | \amethyst | duplex: are you doing mv across partitions? |
| 08:36.29 | TurboBee | i know its not because i set\ it up before i had tyhe other nic installed |
| 08:36.30 | duckdown | What do I need to do a make menuconfig? it's complaining of needing ncurses-devel but theres no such package.. libncurses5 is already installed |
| 08:36.31 | duplex | \amethyst: yep. |
| 08:36.35 | TurboBee | was asking about ppp |
| 08:36.40 | TurboBee | know how t get back into that initial config |
| 08:36.44 | \amethyst | duplex: aha.. I don't think there is such an option, do you have cp? |
| 08:36.53 | duplex | \amethyst: Do you know if there's an archive ability with cp to preserve permissions? |
| 08:37.01 | duplex | \amethyst: Yep I have cp. |
| 08:37.13 | \amethyst | duplex: cp -a |
| 08:37.13 | chealer | duckdown: check the kernel-package doc |
| 08:37.16 | konfuzed | duplex: cp -pR |
| 08:37.25 | duckdown | chealer: okay thanks |
| 08:37.29 | konfuzed | preserve and Recursive directories |
| 08:37.41 | \amethyst | -pR doesn't preserve hardlinks |
| 08:37.42 | konfuzed | -a hm |
| 08:38.01 | duplex | so -a is like -pR but preserves hard links too? Thanks a lot you guys. |
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| 08:38.12 | duplex | You saved me from a huge headache, that's for sure. |
| 08:38.16 | bony | hey guy's i am unable to download any of the torrents which are listed in the bittorent section of the debian.org |
| 08:38.21 | \amethyst | duplex: cp -a is exactly like -dpR |
| 08:38.24 | konfuzed | -a is -dpR |
| 08:38.38 | konfuzed | -d is de-reference for do not follow symlinks |
| 08:39.07 | \amethyst | -d is both -P and --preserve=links |
| 08:39.13 | unk468 | peterS are y here? |
| 08:39.15 | konfuzed | -a is Archive for -dpR |
| 08:39.50 | dannyp | complicated copy? use a tar pipe! |
| 08:39.56 | \amethyst | bah, cpio -p |
| 08:40.39 | konfuzed | holy crap batman |
| 08:40.39 | konfuzed | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.39 | konfuzed | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:41.33 | konfuzed | go all the way with scp |
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| 08:42.58 | wdamn | Hi, which package to install for make-kpkg? |
| 08:43.06 | \amethyst | wdamn: kernel-package |
| 08:43.32 | wdamn | thanx |
| 08:45.11 | duplex | \amethyst, konfuzed: Thanks again for saving me one heck of a nightmare. |
| 08:45.48 | \amethyst | duplex: have you read the Mario Wolczko article? |
| 08:45.54 | duplex | \amethyst: Nope. |
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| 08:46.16 | duplex | What is it? |
| 08:46.34 | \amethyst | duplex: search the web for "have you ever left your terminal logged in" |
| 08:46.40 | duplex | haha |
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| 08:46.48 | duplex | That already sounds bad. |
| 08:47.12 | \amethyst | disaster recover with emacs :) |
| 08:48.07 | \amethyst | duplex: in this case, /usr was still around, but /bin /lib /dev /etc were gone |
| 08:48.18 | \amethyst | fortunately he had a copy of emacs still running |
| 08:48.45 | bony | hey people please help me out on why am i unable to download iso's with bittorrent |
| 08:48.56 | bony | it is saying connection refuesed |
| 08:49.07 | \amethyst | bony: Is is possible your ISP blocks bittorrent? |
| 08:49.17 | \amethyst | plenty of them do that these days |
| 08:49.24 | \amethyst | f*sc*sts |
| 08:49.29 | bony | no i downloaded an image of elive yeterday itself |
| 08:49.30 | duplex | \amethyst: emacs hrm? That's kinda weird to have to restore your entire system in that manner. |
| 08:49.37 | bony | using bittorent |
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| 08:51.01 | \amethyst | There's another, more recent, story if you search ASR or the web for "if the stuff below will ever become UI for you" |
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| 08:51.09 | bony | it is taking hell lot of time downloading images using jigdo or wget the entire iso itself |
| 08:51.31 | \amethyst | that one's by Al Viro |
| 08:51.31 | bony | please help me on this |
| 08:52.05 | \amethyst | bony: so you can't download any ISOs with bittorrent, at all? |
| 08:52.11 | jm_ | that may mean tracker is down |
| 08:52.33 | bony | \amethyst: it say's connection refuesed 111 error |
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| 08:52.52 | dannyp | \amethyst: I imagine anything working at the application layer would be too expensive, so that leaves port based blocking |
| 08:53.00 | dannyp | \amethyst: and thankfully bittorrent can run on any port |
| 08:53.13 | dannyp | so, pick a random port number. I start my torrents somewhere in the 7100s |
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| 08:54.53 | bony | i used freeloader, bittorrent, bittorrent-gui and in all of them it says "urlopen error(111, 'Connection refused')" |
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| 08:55.08 | deadcat | maybe the file is bad. |
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| 08:55.32 | bony | even when i try downloading debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso |
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| 08:55.51 | javiolo | can anyone have a look on my xorg.log ? |
| 08:56.00 | deadcat | url |
| 08:56.05 | javiolo | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9044 |
| 08:56.11 | deadcat | javiolo: #ubuntu |
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| 08:56.45 | deadcat | at least use a diff pastebin to hide that you're a ubuntu user dude ! (= |
| 08:56.52 | javiolo | no |
| 08:56.57 | javiolo | Im on debian |
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| 08:57.12 | \amethyst | bony: what is the tracker url you're using? |
| 08:57.14 | deadcat | not what the pastebin is saying |
| 08:57.20 | javiolo | pero I only knew that link |
| 08:57.30 | bony | don't know how to see that ? |
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| 08:57.39 | \amethyst | bony: the link |
| 08:57.56 | noiesmo | how do i get kde to run on tty6 as well as the default tty7 debian unstable install |
| 08:58.00 | duplex | There seems to be so much support for ubuntu it's ridiculous (as compared with most distros). |
| 08:58.01 | jm_ | bony: tracker is down |
| 08:58.16 | bony | ooo nooooooo |
| 08:58.29 | strib | duplex: do you get good ubuntu support on #debian? |
| 08:58.30 | deadcat | javiolo: xorg.conf? |
| 08:58.34 | ircdevil | why is google earth not ported to linux? |
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| 08:58.44 | jm_ | ircdevil: why are you asking us? |
| 08:58.45 | bony | jm_: when can i expect it to be up |
| 08:58.48 | javiolo | deadcat let me pastebin it |
| 08:58.49 | deadcat | ircdevil: lazy google developers |
| 08:58.50 | \amethyst | ircdevil: google's too busy beating up Chinese kids |
| 08:58.51 | jm_ | bony: I have no idea |
| 08:59.03 | \amethyst | ircdevil: it's runnable under Wine, with some effort |
| 08:59.04 | duplex | strib: I don't run ubuntu. But half the times when I'm googling how to do something on linux, I have to weed through 30 ubuntu posts on how to do it before I find one on debian. |
| 08:59.11 | javiolo | deadcat that was Xorg.0.log |
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| 08:59.20 | deadcat | ya |
| 08:59.38 | ircdevil | jm_: google earth should be debianized, of cause :o) |
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| 08:59.54 | jm_ | ircdevil: I have a sneaky feeling it won't be free |
| 09:00.05 | bony | which is the fasted mirror from were i can download iso with jigdo ? |
| 09:00.05 | MrNaz | are there any issues at all with using JFS on a production DB server? is it as stable as ext3 ? |
| 09:00.22 | noiesmo | how do i set up debian to run two instances of kde desktop ie so when ctrl+alt+F6 also = kde desktop |
| 09:00.38 | \amethyst | MrNaz: what do you mean by 'stable'? |
| 09:00.42 | deadcat | noiesmo: startkde -- :1 maybe |
| 09:01.04 | bony | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/bt-cd/debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent this is were i downloaded the torrent from |
| 09:01.08 | jm_ | deadcat: startx |
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| 09:01.20 | deadcat | jm_: the brotha wants kde (= |
| 09:01.28 | javiolo | deadcat http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9045 |
| 09:01.36 | weissi | noiesmo, before that, you have to disable some virtual consoles (e.g. disable tty6), then do as deadcat told you |
| 09:01.39 | jm_ | deadcat: startkde won't work like that, it expects to be able to connect to X server |
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| 09:01.45 | ootput | deadcat: gday mate |
| 09:01.45 | MrNaz | \amethyst likeliness to cause corruption, likeliness for anomalous data to cause a system crash |
| 09:01.57 | deadcat | ootput: yeep (= |
| 09:02.00 | ootput | deadcat: you've any experience with nvidia + dri + xinerama? |
| 09:02.06 | weissi | noiesmo, you have to do startx -- :1 |
| 09:02.17 | noiesmo | weissi, how to disable tty6 please |
| 09:02.22 | deadcat | ootput: ya. glxgears shows 500fps for my settings. )= |
| 09:02.29 | weissi | noiesmo, look in /etc/inittab |
| 09:02.38 | noiesmo | weissi, cheers |
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| 09:02.43 | deadcat | ootput: because my Bus Type shows PCI instead of AGP though. my bios can only handle 4X |
| 09:02.56 | ootput | it's 8X? |
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| 09:03.01 | deadcat | the card is |
| 09:03.22 | ootput | deadcat: did you buy it new? |
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| 09:03.31 | deadcat | javiolo: you have ppc right? ibook? |
| 09:03.49 | Phated | Cor, another ibooker? :) |
| 09:03.49 | javiolo | deadcat nope its a mini |
| 09:03.54 | deadcat | ootput: its a p3 800mhz MB. the card is fx5200 128MB vga+dvi+svideo |
| 09:04.00 | Phated | .o/ deadcat, got any new wallpapers for me? :) |
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| 09:04.15 | deadcat | javiolo: try my config sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/X11 use the pandora xorg.conf file |
| 09:04.24 | javiolo | ok |
| 09:04.38 | deadcat | Phated: nah.. still stuck with those. but have you seen the xgl demo? damn i almost wet my pants (= |
| 09:04.41 | javiolo | btw I think my monitor has something to do |
| 09:04.49 | javiolo | Always fails with linux |
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| 09:05.05 | \amethyst | MrNaz: Well, ext3 supports block-level journalling |
| 09:05.08 | Phated | deadcat: Hahah. |
| 09:05.15 | deadcat | javiolo: could be. my config is for ibook 1024x786 using radeon driver |
| 09:05.39 | deadcat | javiolo: ah. you using vga instead of ati or radeon |
| 09:05.41 | deadcat | just change that. |
| 09:05.42 | strider | deadcat: seen what RedHat is upto....http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
| 09:05.58 | deadcat | strider: crap compared to xgl. but its integrated to xorg though. |
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| 09:06.14 | \amethyst | MrNaz: I don't think JFS (or XFS) does... |
| 09:06.26 | ootput | ah, that demo link we saw a while ago is pretty juicy |
| 09:06.31 | javiolo | I tested both a didnt work |
| 09:06.33 | deadcat | strider: i like the scale, alt+tab features the most. the rest are not bad. |
| 09:06.38 | ootput | i showed it to a few of my co-workers |
| 09:06.58 | deadcat | javiolo: use Depth 24 |
| 09:07.11 | deadcat | ootput: did they wet their pants? (= |
| 09:07.23 | javiolo | ok |
| 09:07.34 | \amethyst | MrNaz: but if you're going to use just a metadata journal, I haven't heard anything bad about JFS or XFS compared to ext3 |
| 09:07.42 | ootput | deadcat: ahah, probably |
| 09:07.46 | deadcat | haha |
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| 09:07.54 | xsquared | hello |
| 09:08.15 | javiolo | deadcat btw how debian goes on a ibook ? |
| 09:08.15 | ootput | even the designated mac-lover enjoyed it |
| 09:08.15 | xsquared | how is it possible to recreate the apache ssl self generated certificate? |
| 09:08.23 | ootput | she was like: "oh, that's pretty cute!" |
| 09:08.27 | deadcat | javiolo: amazing. everything works for me. but my laptop is in the shop because of the damn mainboard )= |
| 09:08.34 | Teratogen | are the .deb packages in pool binary packages or sourc packages? |
| 09:08.38 | deadcat | but i sitll have apple care till aug. (= |
| 09:08.39 | strider | deadcat: they certainly are not bad. seem quite usable as well |
| 09:09.07 | jetscreamer | pool |
| 09:09.08 | deadcat | strider: ya. some people complaining about the basic stuff with compiz though. the fancy stuff works great they say |
| 09:09.09 | javiolo | let see if it works |
| 09:09.18 | jetscreamer | !pool |
| 09:09.18 | dpkg | pool is, like, http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-project-9910/msg00052.html or http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html#s-pools |
| 09:09.41 | xsquared | can anyone help me? |
| 09:09.42 | jetscreamer | but they're not the source unless they say so |
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| 09:09.50 | Teratogen | ok |
| 09:09.51 | deadcat | xsquared: use the usb device |
| 09:09.57 | Teratogen | thanks |
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| 09:11.01 | strider | deadcat: don't care that much for the wobbly windows and transparency. the expose, cube effects etc are pretty interesting ;) |
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| 09:11.11 | xsquared | deadcat, fuck you too |
| 09:11.20 | deadcat | strider: ya. those are hella useful |
| 09:11.21 | xsquared | 8-) |
| 09:11.27 | pureone | lol? |
| 09:11.29 | deadcat | xsquared: bitch fuck you.. eat my shit |
| 09:11.48 | xsquared | i asked a question, don't give me some stupid answer |
| 09:11.56 | SlayerXP | <xsquared> can anyone help me? |
| 09:11.59 | deadcat | xsquared: you didnt ask a q. |
| 09:12.02 | xsquared | i did |
| 09:12.05 | deadcat | i guessed your q |
| 09:12.07 | SlayerXP | you were expecting a not-stupid answer to _that question? |
| 09:12.08 | \amethyst | < xsquared> how is it possible to recreate the apache ssl self generated certificate? |
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| 09:12.33 | dannyp | calm down folks: it's just IRC |
| 09:12.38 | SlayerXP | xsquared: use "openssl" |
| 09:12.40 | petemc | xsquared: you can use the openssl binary to make certs |
| 09:12.45 | xsquared | ok |
| 09:12.59 | xsquared | i was dpkg-reconfigur'ing apache-ssl |
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| 09:13.58 | deadcat | strider: besides. the demos from the fedora site dont show much.. so that didnt help much compared to the xgl demo (= |
| 09:14.00 | mohkohn | Which of these is the right one to link to fo JRE in Firefox? libjavaplugin_jni.so libjavaplugin_nscp_gcc29.so libjavaplugin_nscp.so |
| 09:14.14 | nkuttler | xsquared: or look what the postinst script does |
| 09:14.32 | xsquared | thanks, ive found it |
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| 09:14.51 | mohkohn | I think it will be "ln -s /usr/lib/j2se5.0-sun/jre/lib/i386/ |
| 09:14.51 | mohkohn | " plus one of those . |
| 09:15.24 | \amethyst | mohkohn: ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
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| 09:16.05 | TinoW | hi |
| 09:16.45 | TinoW | strange: "/etc/sqlrelay/sqlrelay.conf:6: element instance: validity error : No declaration for attribute maxstringbindvaluelength of element instance" but: http://sqlrelay.sourceforge.net/sqlrelay/configuring.html |
| 09:17.12 | mohkohn | I only have those three. \amethyst . Am i in the wrong path. |
| 09:17.22 | javiolo | why gdm-restart and gdm stop doesnt work ? |
| 09:17.26 | \amethyst | mohkohn: what version of the JRE? |
| 09:18.32 | omry|work | hi, I got a dns problem with one debian box in my network. nslookup google.com returns "connection timed out; no servers could be reached", the /etc/resolve.conf got one dns, and it works for other boxes. any idea? |
| 09:18.47 | javiolo | deadcat it worked! |
| 09:18.50 | mohkohn | 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_06-b05) |
| 09:18.50 | mohkohn | Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_06-b05, mixed mode) |
| 09:19.01 | deadcat | javiolo: cool. what did you do? |
| 09:19.01 | javiolo | just entered in gnome |
| 09:19.13 | javiolo | just replaced the xorg.conf |
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| 09:19.27 | deadcat | javiolo: cool. |
| 09:19.29 | javiolo | is strange cos it has nearly nothing to do... |
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| 09:20.01 | javiolo | btw is gnome without menus or its me ? |
| 09:20.13 | javiolo | no bars.. |
| 09:20.15 | deadcat | javiolo: did you install menu? |
| 09:20.23 | deadcat | you sure you using gnome? (= |
| 09:20.32 | javiolo | yep |
| 09:20.43 | javiolo | I see the desktop |
| 09:20.55 | \amethyst | mohkohn: how did you install it? java-package? |
| 09:21.25 | deadcat | javiolo: run glxgears see how many fps you have |
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| 09:22.21 | mohkohn | apt-get install sun-j2se5.0-jre-binary |
| 09:22.59 | javiolo | deadcat glxgears: Error: couldn't open display '(null)' |
| 09:23.16 | deadcat | javiolo: not as root |
| 09:23.23 | \amethyst | mohkohn: where does that package come from? |
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| 09:24.09 | deadcat | javiolo: how fast is the ppc? |
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| 09:25.03 | mohkohn | deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free restricted |
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| 09:26.25 | Guerin | mohkohn: not a debian problem |
| 09:26.31 | \amethyst | mohkohn: hm.. I built mine with java-package, and it has the _oji version. |
| 09:26.35 | Guerin | mohkohn: see that bit which says 'unofficial' |
| 09:26.51 | mohkohn | I'll google. |
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| 09:33.05 | well | can someone help me pls: is there a way to install a wlan carddriver via apt? |
| 09:33.23 | \amethyst | hmm.. |
| 09:33.24 | chealer | well: for which card? |
| 09:33.26 | well | for a intel 2200bg |
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| 09:33.43 | chealer | well: which release do you use? |
| 09:33.52 | well | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.55 | \amethyst | it appears that debian-unofficial is violating the Java license, at least technically |
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| 09:34.33 | well | i use debian sarge 3.1 r1 |
| 09:34.49 | Guerin | \amethyst: yeah. |
| 09:35.03 | Guerin | \amethyst: unless that package is just a script with a downloadery thing |
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| 09:35.18 | \amethyst | Guerin: it's a 29 MiB package file, I doubt it |
| 09:35.29 | chealer | well: did you try compiling a module from ipw2200-source? |
| 09:35.40 | munofiratt[GR] | hello to everyone =) |
| 09:35.59 | \amethyst | Assuming debian-CD has a gcj or kaffe or something |
| 09:36.07 | \amethyst | s/ a / / |
| 09:36.08 | well | i downloaded a .tgz package, and had problems with alien to cenvert it |
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| 09:36.51 | munofiratt[GR] | Q: where can I set the preferred web application to handle html files? right now when I double click on an html file epiphany opens it but I'd rather it were Mozilla... |
| 09:36.56 | Guerin | \amethyst: heh |
| 09:37.14 | moi | hey, do i need to create that trunks/tags/branches structure for my subversion projects? i dunno really what they are good for?! can't i just put everything under my prj/ folder? |
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| 09:37.36 | Guerin | munofiratt[GR]: depends on your filemanager. if you use gnome, you propbably want to use gnome-control-centre |
| 09:38.43 | munofiratt[GR] | Guerin: pardon me... I don't intent to offend you - but, is Gnome a filemanager? =D |
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| 09:39.38 | munofiratt[GR] | Guerin: thanks =D I've done what I wished to be done (with your help) |
| 09:39.43 | MrNaz | anyody know how to set up raid 0+1 in debian install? |
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| 09:40.20 | stjepan | hi |
| 09:40.25 | chealer | moi: yes. ask #subversion |
| 09:40.36 | stjepan | at boot kdm doesnt start at me so I must start it manually. What may be the problem? |
| 09:40.48 | moi | chealer: k thanks |
| 09:40.51 | lapo | isn't proc ps available on etch amd64? |
| 09:41.04 | chealer | lapo: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 09:41.14 | lapo | chealer, tnx |
| 09:41.56 | nuambenzina | stjepan , that means that kdm/gdm isn`t set to start automaticaly |
| 09:41.57 | foks | hi |
| 09:42.51 | stjepan | nuambenzina: so how to set it to start automaticaly? |
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| 09:43.56 | nuambenzina | you shoud add some lines somewhere but i don`t know exactly where. I guess only that will be in /etc/xinit and the line will be startkde |
| 09:44.15 | Paivakil | stjepan: try dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 09:44.53 | Guerin | munofiratt[GR]: gnome is a windowmanager, nautilus the filemangler |
| 09:45.25 | stjepan | Reloading K Display Manager configuration...done. |
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| 09:45.33 | stjepan | Paivakil: and thats all? |
| 09:45.40 | chealer | !subversion |
| 09:45.40 | dpkg | [subversion] a compelling replacement for CVS, or available at http://subversion.tigris.org/ read the book: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/, or it adds: atomic commits and file renaming/copying, very tight network protocol. |
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| 09:46.01 | duckdown | Woo hoo :) I god madwifi working on my WPA2 home network all on my own :) |
| 09:46.02 | duckdown | *got |
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| 09:46.06 | chealer | dpkg: subversion is also at #svn |
| 09:46.07 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
| 09:46.25 | Paivakil | stjepan: is there something like /etc/rc2.d/SXXkdm |
| 09:46.26 | lukeen | can someone pls cat me his sources.list? |
| 09:46.51 | duckdown | Hey guys.. Im having a weird problem here in X though.. My keyboard mapping is wrong or something. Shift-3 doesn't produce a 'pound/number sign', it shows me a '£' . And my 'tilde' is a ¬ character |
| 09:46.51 | Paivakil | lukeen: what for? |
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| 09:47.20 | lukeen | i need the standard debian repositories |
| 09:47.21 | Paivakil | duckdown: you set your keyboard to UK layout? |
| 09:47.36 | duckdown | Paivakil: Possibly by mistake :( |
| 09:47.50 | chealer | lukeen: there are no standard debian repositories |
| 09:47.52 | duckdown | Paivakil: How can I switch it back |
| 09:48.16 | pureone | duckdown, setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout gb -variant basic if you want uk settings |
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| 09:48.26 | stjepan | Paivakil: there is S13gdm only :( (I removed gdm and I want kdm to be default display manager) |
| 09:48.30 | duckdown | pureone: nono, I'm Canadian, regular US keyboard |
| 09:48.43 | pureone | ok |
| 09:48.56 | lukeen | in my source.list are no entries.. so can you pls give some links to download software via apt?? |
| 09:48.58 | duckdown | pureone: I must've selected UK by mistake :S |
| 09:49.00 | pureone | replace gb with us that should work |
| 09:49.11 | chealer | lukeen: did you try # apt-setup; ? |
| 09:49.20 | pureone | check you /etc/X11/*config |
| 09:49.25 | lukeen | ill try it thanks! |
| 09:49.28 | pureone | depending on if you use xorg or xfree |
| 09:49.30 | duckdown | chealer: Oddly I dont have that program? |
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| 09:49.39 | Paivakil | lunaphyte: try apt-setup |
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| 09:49.45 | duckdown | chealer: I tried it once when the installation docs mentioned it.. doesnt exist on my system (apt-setup) |
| 09:49.50 | chealer | duckdown: which release do you use? |
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| 09:50.45 | duckdown | pureone: let me try that, thanks man |
| 09:50.46 | duckdown | chealer: Etch |
| 09:50.46 | chealer | duckdown: that's normal |
| 09:50.46 | lukeen | thanks alot :) |
| 09:50.46 | duckdown | pureone: Excellent it worked :-) Thanks mate |
| 09:50.46 | duckdown | chealer: Ahh ok cool :) |
| 09:51.07 | duckdown | How do I go about getting the newest KDE now I wonder :) |
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| 09:52.09 | OnoTR | i need help |
| 09:52.20 | duckdown | :O |
| 09:52.22 | maxy | can someone using testing+galeon please verify that this link crashes galeon? http://old.homeip.net/martin/sshots/crash.html |
| 09:52.42 | konfuzed | hmm any one every touch nvidia firewall with debian |
| 09:52.47 | konfuzed | or anything else even |
| 09:52.52 | konfuzed | proly a waste |
| 09:52.54 | maxy | I get: galeon: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2: undefined symbol: FT_GlyphSlot_Embolden |
| 09:52.56 | chealer | duckdown: ask #debian-kde |
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| 09:53.08 | chealer | maxy: just upgrade |
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| 09:53.26 | OnoTR | my boot sector is deleted |
| 09:53.33 | OnoTR | i don't boot sarge |
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| 09:54.13 | duckdown | chealer: sweet |
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| 09:56.14 | plbgnr | hello, what can make following restrictions?:user1 and user2 are in group G; directory A with permissions 770 is owned by user1 and group G; why can't user2 make directory B with 770 in A? |
| 09:57.35 | maxy | chealer: upgrade what? aptitude install -t sid libxft2 galeon ==> did nothing. |
| 09:57.55 | javiolo | deadcat finally worked |
| 09:58.23 | javiolo | deadcat but I cant see any menu in gnome, only icons on the desktop... |
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| 09:58.40 | meo05_4 | hellou |
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| 09:59.27 | Brainwalker | y0 |
| 09:59.40 | meo05_4 | haw a yoy |
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| 09:59.54 | resiak | plbgnr: Try `id` as user2 from the terminal you are in. |
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| 09:59.58 | meo05_4 | i am a russian man |
| 10:00.01 | resiak | maxy: That does not crash Galeon |
| 10:00.15 | chealer | maxy: upgrade all your packages, that will upgrade libfreetype6 too |
| 10:00.21 | nkuttler | !ru |
| 10:00.21 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 10:00.31 | meo05_4 | hu is a speak in russian |
| 10:00.58 | sandman | Is there any way to have vim save my settings _per file_? |
| 10:01.06 | sandman | For example, in one file I want line numbering. |
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| 10:01.22 | sandman | In another I don't. |
| 10:01.46 | javiolo | I cant see any menu in gnome |
| 10:01.55 | javiolo | only the desktop icons |
| 10:01.59 | javiolo | ... |
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| 10:02.38 | Psi-Jack | Cyrus-SASL application.conf files, go in /usr/lib/sasl2, correct? Or does Debian modify where sasl looks for those, elsewhere? |
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| 10:03.22 | foks | sandman: http://www.adp-gmbh.ch/vim/short.html , look for 'specific file' in that page |
| 10:03.22 | Guerin | Psi-Jack: /etc/sasl i think |
| 10:03.34 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: There's no /etc/sasl dir |
| 10:03.41 | Guerin | /usr/lib is a fucking moronic place for conffiles |
| 10:03.46 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: I agree. :) |
| 10:03.50 | Guerin | i'm just checking my sasl box |
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| 10:04.26 | SlayerXP | Guerin: sounds very qmail |
| 10:04.33 | maxy | chealer: upgrading to libfreetype6 from sid fixed it, thanks. |
| 10:04.34 | Guerin | mine are in /etc/postfix/sasl |
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| 10:04.48 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: Hmm. That's an even odder place for them. |
| 10:05.01 | plbgnr | resiak: uid=1000(user2) gid=1000(user2) skupiny=1000(user2),1002(G) |
| 10:05.06 | Guerin | SlayerXP: yeah. cyrus is only a little saner than qmail |
| 10:05.11 | resiak | plbgnr: *shrug* |
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| 10:05.21 | sandman | Isn't there a way to have vim just automagically save settings per file? |
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| 10:05.33 | foks | sandman: I don't think so |
| 10:05.36 | sandman | As it saves the position @ which you were looking @ the file, last time you looked at it? |
| 10:05.48 | thunderstrike | Hi, my problem is, that alsa gives the message "unable to install hw params" whenever i try to play some sound using my USB headphone. If i use my speakers(onboard AC-97 sound card) then sound plays fine. Any ideas? |
| 10:05.53 | nayyares | what command i will supply to get all the directories and sub-directories from an FTP server? |
| 10:05.53 | Guerin | sandman: have separate config files and source them manually |
| 10:05.57 | Guerin | it's not like it's hard |
| 10:05.58 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: But, Yep. That's it. *sighs* /etc/sasl would have been better. sasl is used by much more than just postfix. heh |
| 10:06.24 | Guerin | nayyares: man lftp, look for 'mirror' |
| 10:06.27 | Guerin | !hurry |
| 10:06.27 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 10:06.44 | Guerin | usb headphone? |
| 10:06.49 | Guerin | wtf is the point of that? |
| 10:07.07 | Psi-Jack | Well, blah. |
| 10:07.11 | nayyares | Guerin, why d'nt from simple ftp? |
| 10:07.16 | Guerin | Psi-Jack: mine is a sort-of hack job, so it might not be normal |
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| 10:07.22 | maxy | nayyares: there are several programs that do this, standard ftp cant't I think. |
| 10:07.23 | Psi-Jack | I really with mhm would get ldapdb into cyrus-sasl's modules. :) |
| 10:07.28 | Guerin | Psi-Jack: advise putting them in /etc/sasl and making symlinks |
| 10:07.33 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: Oh no.. This is how debianization did it. |
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| 10:07.35 | nayyares | maxy, :( |
| 10:07.38 | Guerin | nayyares: because lftp is Mo Better |
| 10:07.53 | knite | I want to build a custom kernel, starting from the debian configuration. is there a "debian configuration" shipped with the source package? |
| 10:07.53 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: Good idea! |
| 10:07.55 | maxy | nayyares: try "sitecopy" |
| 10:08.09 | Guerin | knite: /boot/config-* |
| 10:08.14 | nayyares | maxy, what command for single complete directory coping for FTP? |
| 10:08.27 | Guerin | nayyares: read man ftp, for fuck's sakes |
| 10:08.29 | javiolo | I cant see any menu in gnome |
| 10:08.33 | javiolo | only the desktop icons |
| 10:08.33 | Guerin | you already have your answer |
| 10:08.40 | maxy | nayyares: I don't know, you need to read the manual. |
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| 10:08.45 | javiolo | any idea whats happening ? |
| 10:08.48 | Guerin | this isn't a 'help me I'm lazy' channel |
| 10:08.49 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: Are you using saslauthd? |
| 10:09.05 | Guerin | javiolo: ask #debian-gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 10:09.10 | Guerin | Psi-Jack: yes. |
| 10:09.21 | thunderstrike | Trying again: alsa gives the message "unable to install hw params" whenever i try to play some sound using my USB headphone. If i use my speakers(onboard AC-97 sound card) then sound plays fine. Using alsa-base 1.0.10-3, and a vanilla 2.6.15 kernel. |
| 10:09.30 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: I'm wondering why, on my setup, it failed to connect to saslauthd, but it's.. Running.. heh |
| 10:09.32 | knite | Guerin: suppose I don't have that version of kernel installed right now... |
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| 10:09.55 | javiolo | guerin thanks |
| 10:10.15 | nayyares | Guerin, lftp IP-ADRESS then? |
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| 10:11.07 | dilku | apt-get install libmotif3 doesn't install the lib ? |
| 10:11.16 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: Do you have any reference as to where saslauthd's mux can be located in the smtpd.conf? |
| 10:11.29 | dilku | can someone give me some help |
| 10:11.33 | rEdDeViL | can i pls pvt someone regarding a problem i have with my linux box? |
| 10:11.45 | resiak | !tell rEdDeViL -about msg |
| 10:11.47 | maxy | nayyares: if you don't need login, maybe wget -R can do it . |
| 10:11.53 | foks | knite: copy the /boot/config-* into your kernel sources directory, rename it .config, type 'mak oldconfig' and answer the questions |
| 10:11.53 | dilku | http://packages.debian.org/stable/libs/libmotif3 I'm running testing |
| 10:11.55 | maxy | nayyares: small r |
| 10:11.58 | TipTap | on a cat /proc/meminfo the actual total, what is it in i.e. is it bits or bytes? |
| 10:12.07 | konfuzed | thats it I cant use firefox any more it just crashes too often |
| 10:12.08 | pearl | !tell pearl -about msg |
| 10:12.16 | resiak | !tell pearl -about msgdpkg |
| 10:12.18 | Psi-Jack | rEdDeViL: With a nick like that? I suggest, first, learn netiquette. Second, use the channel so the masses can help, not just one individual whom may just screw you. |
| 10:12.22 | TipTap | Mem: 658669568 651694080 6975488 is what it shows for total, used, and free respectively |
| 10:12.32 | knite | foks: thanks |
| 10:12.33 | TipTap | but without a measurement it isn't much of a decent indication |
| 10:12.57 | foks | knite: makE oldconfig, sorry |
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| 10:13.08 | rEdDeViL | wtf does my nick have to do with anything? |
| 10:13.09 | Guerin | Psi-Jack: it isn't |
| 10:13.12 | resiak | TipTap: How much memory do you have? |
| 10:13.20 | dilku | How can I install a non-free package ? |
| 10:13.23 | Guerin | hang on |
| 10:13.25 | rEdDeViL | jeezz bunch of rude pricks in here, i'll rather go look for help somewhere else |
| 10:13.29 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: How about the params for saslauthd itself, is it dropping down a different location for the mux? |
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| 10:13.37 | resiak | !customer |
| 10:13.37 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 10:13.38 | foks | dilku: use non-free i /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 10:13.55 | foks | s/i /in / |
| 10:14.00 | Guerin | Psi-Jack: what was wrong with rEdDeViL's nick |
| 10:14.01 | Guerin | ? |
| 10:14.03 | thunderstrike | got no ideas? |
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| 10:14.10 | dilku | foks: can U have a look at the #flood |
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| 10:14.15 | TipTap | 643232 kb |
| 10:14.19 | dilku | I will send my source.list |
| 10:14.20 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: Heh. Excessive use of UpPeR lOwERcaSe use? :) |
| 10:14.32 | TipTap | which is 628mb which seems a funny number |
| 10:14.52 | Eclipser | !nickometer rEdDeViL |
| 10:14.54 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: It's about as bad as if he'd used r3dd3v1l |
| 10:14.54 | dpkg | 'rEdDeViL' is 69.000% lame, eclipser |
| 10:15.05 | Psi-Jack | See! |
| 10:15.08 | knite | foks: i'm used to doing menuconfig, but i guess that wouldn't tell me which items are "new"... |
| 10:15.09 | Psi-Jack | Even dpkg agrees! |
| 10:15.29 | TipTap | !nickometer TipTap |
| 10:15.30 | dpkg | 'TipTap' is 0.000% lame, tiptap |
| 10:15.40 | Psi-Jack | !nickometer Psi-Jack |
| 10:15.41 | TipTap | now that isn't very true is it, i mean tiptap |
| 10:15.41 | dpkg | 'Psi-Jack' is 0.000% lame, psi-jack |
| 10:15.48 | TipTap | i chose it because i thought it was lame |
| 10:15.55 | pearl | !nickometer pearl |
| 10:15.55 | Psi-Jack | heheh |
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| 10:15.56 | dpkg | 'pearl' is 0.000% lame, pearl |
| 10:16.01 | pearl | :D |
| 10:16.13 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: Anyway. heh |
| 10:16.15 | knite | lame ~ leet |
| 10:16.16 | pearl | !nickometer |PeArL| |
| 10:16.18 | dpkg | '|PeArL|' is 27.000% lame, pearl |
| 10:16.19 | pearl | loool |
| 10:16.21 | pearl | :)) |
| 10:16.25 | meo05_4 | ÞÕÒÂÁÎÙ!!! |
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| 10:16.32 | Eclipser | ah |
| 10:16.40 | Eclipser | I shouldn't have done that in the first place |
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| 10:17.22 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: Most of my final issues with my whole postfix+cyrus-imapd+openldap setup is done, except, sasl smtp auth with postfix. And why postfix cannot connect to saslauthd, is.. Totally unexpected, especially since it's.. Running.. |
| 10:18.06 | concept10 | tail -f | dmesg keeps spitting this out, [4331635.290000] bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode4.fw" not available or load failed. ... anyone have an idea what this is? Im thinking this has something to do with my wireless card |
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| 10:18.23 | javiolo | guerin no luck |
| 10:18.29 | Guerin | Psi-Jack: 99% of postfix problems are caused by chroot fuckups |
| 10:18.35 | javiolo | guerin do you have any idea ? |
| 10:18.38 | Guerin | javiolo: luck has nothing to do with gnome, at least in theory |
| 10:18.46 | Guerin | javiolo: advise not using gnome |
| 10:18.52 | Guerin | javiolo: xfce4 is nice |
| 10:18.52 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: Is postfix chrooted by default install? I didn't think it was.. |
| 10:19.15 | foks | concept10: you should go on #bcm-users |
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| 10:19.25 | Guerin | Psi-Jack: HELL yeah it is. Look at your master.cf - the default mux location is /var/run/saslauthd/mux, and that needs to be accessible |
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| 10:19.58 | kablam | guys i have a question anyof you know where i can find info on how to setup my debian box as a router firewall with 2 nics 1 for the net and one for my internal network? |
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| 10:20.23 | knite | am I right to assume that the debian kernels are essentially built with "PATCH_THE_KERNEL" set to YES? |
| 10:20.34 | knite | (all deb patches applied) |
| 10:20.40 | Guerin | not if you use a debian kernel source |
| 10:20.53 | knite | Guerin: what do you mean? |
| 10:20.54 | Guerin | but ye, if you use a vanilla source anddebian stock patches |
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| 10:23.32 | concept10 | foks, thanks. I didnt know about that channel. What is a *.fw file (firmware?) |
| 10:23.52 | knite | I'm a bit confused whether my source tree is already patched or not |
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| 10:26.02 | foks | concept10: might be, dunno |
| 10:27.05 | Psi-Jack | Guerin: Aha. Correcto on the chroot. That explains it. Thanks. :) |
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| 10:33.05 | nayyares | maxy, wget ftp://***** is not working as my ftp server is not supporting anonymous FTP, how can i provide my username in wget?? |
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| 10:33.38 | foks | nayyares: man wget |
| 10:34.02 | maxy | nayyares: type: 'man wget', then '/', then 'password' and 'RETURN'. |
| 10:34.03 | nayyares | foks, unable to find it :( i am runing out time |
| 10:34.14 | nayyares | :) |
| 10:34.29 | foks | nayyares: come on !! --user= --password= |
| 10:34.56 | Nakko | nayyares: You could do it the quick and dirty (unsecure!) way. ftp://[user]:[pass]@[address]:[port]/[file] |
| 10:35.25 | Nakko | But then anyone can see it with ps, potentially.... |
| 10:36.06 | maxy | nayyares: you could also try drag&drop in konqueror (KDE), if you don't want to read manpages, it would probably work. |
| 10:36.17 | javiolo | wget ftp://user:password@host/path |
| 10:36.41 | Nakko | yeah |
| 10:38.19 | foks | wget --user=foo --password=bar ftp://host/path |
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| 10:45.34 | resiak | re. "i am runing out time": |
| 10:45.36 | resiak | !hurry |
| 10:45.36 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
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| 10:47.54 | tremor | hello at all |
| 10:48.56 | doublehp | I need to record dates and prices daily for private purpose (like for recording how much I spend per day, and what for), but I do NOT need to summ or compute values automatically; what are the alternatives to OpenOffice, CSV, Latex and raw text ? preferably an app with GUI or curses. |
| 10:49.05 | doublehp | tremor: hello alone |
| 10:49.06 | Nakko | It would be awesome if his time was up and he exploded because he couldn't download instructions to disarm the bomb or something. |
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| 10:50.21 | resiak | doublehp: gnucash |
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| 10:51.35 | tremor | whitch way would you suggest to create and setup /dev/dsp ? |
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| 10:51.39 | tremor | -t |
| 10:51.46 | doublehp | resiak: hevilly depend on Gnome :S |
| 10:51.59 | wesley_ | how I can run a comand line prompt, without x, to intall nvidia drivers? |
| 10:52.01 | jm_ | tremor: why? |
| 10:52.10 | resiak | wesley_: do not use the nvidia-installer |
| 10:52.17 | resiak | !tell wesley_ -about nvidia howto |
| 10:52.25 | wesley_ | what I do so? |
| 10:52.27 | chealer | !tell wesley_ about ngd |
| 10:52.32 | tremor | jm_: i dont have the device but like to have it for some applications, that require it |
| 10:52.43 | jm_ | !tell wesley_ -about nodm |
| 10:52.44 | resiak | doublehp: *shrg* the deps aren't huge |
| 10:52.52 | jm_ | tremor: using ALSA? |
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| 10:53.07 | tremor | ok, i'll try that first. thank you. |
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| 10:53.11 | tremor | @jm_ |
| 10:53.12 | ravenbird | somebody said jm_ was a cool fucking intelligent guy, or <jm_> if you won't do what I say, I won't help you |
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| 10:53.23 | sep | anyone have a good idea how to take weekly backups of 15TB data ? |
| 10:53.30 | chealer | doublehp: gnumeric? |
| 10:53.32 | jm_ | tremor: that was a question, not a suggestion |
| 10:53.39 | tremor | ah |
| 10:54.01 | tremor | i didnt need sound before, but now it looks like that |
| 10:54.08 | doublehp | chealer: I ll give try |
| 10:54.10 | vyrus001 | how do i start openoffice ? |
| 10:54.14 | jm_ | ok so load ALSA modules and snd_pcm_oss and you should be fine |
| 10:54.16 | foks | vyrus001: ooffice |
| 10:54.19 | doublehp | vyrus001: oowrite |
| 10:54.19 | vyrus001 | ahh |
| 10:54.19 | vyrus001 | thanx |
| 10:54.23 | chealer | sep: buy a pencil that goes fast and write it in binary |
| 10:54.29 | tremor | jm_: ok, thank you. :) |
| 10:54.53 | chealer | !nvidia howto |
| 10:54.53 | dpkg | i heard nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Etch. Warning : follow the instructions with some care. in particular, if you don't know better, set NVDIST=stable instead of testing or unstable |
| 10:55.03 | doublehp | chealer: arg ... its just an add on to goffice I dont love specially ... |
| 10:55.25 | wesley_ | thanks chealer! |
| 10:56.09 | chealer | dpkg: no, nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Etch. Warning : follow the instructions with some care. in particular, if you don't know better, set NVDIST=stable instead of testing or unstable, or better yet, ask me about nvidia-graphics-drivers instead |
| 10:56.09 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
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| 10:58.09 | tremor | brb |
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| 10:59.34 | michal_ | hi.. does anyone know how to run an application under gnome? the run application menu entry has disappeared and i can't remember or find what the keyboard shortcut is |
| 11:00.07 | tralala | michal_: alt+f2 |
| 11:00.17 | Woosta | I've changed to testing and installed every update, but there doesn't seem to be a newer kernel .. am I missing something? |
| 11:00.19 | Nakko | michal_: You can add it to the panel if you like having the button to click on. |
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| 11:00.33 | michal_ | trala: thanks |
| 11:00.35 | chealer | Woosta: testing's kernel is 2.6.15 |
| 11:00.51 | michal_ | nakko: i don't want a button.. just a menu item like it used to be before.. |
| 11:01.05 | Woosta | that's what I thought .. but it's not in synaptic .. 2.6.8 is all I can see there |
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| 11:01.23 | chealer | Woosta: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.15 |
| 11:01.43 | tralala | Woosta: the package name has changed to linux-image |
| 11:01.51 | Woosta | whoah .. it's there ... why isn't it in synaptic? |
| 11:01.52 | Woosta | ahhhhh |
| 11:01.58 | Woosta | I was searching for 'kernel' |
| 11:02.01 | Woosta | :) |
| 11:02.02 | resiak | michal_: It's now at the bottom of Applications |
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| 11:02.23 | michal_ | resiak: no it's not.. it's been removed from there in the latest versions |
| 11:02.35 | resiak | michal_: Latest versions = 2.12? |
| 11:02.48 | michal_ | resiak: yes |
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| 11:03.19 | meneg | how can I put an extra input device on xorg.conf? |
| 11:03.51 | tralala | michal_: why do you need it in the menus? You are going to type the programme name anyhow so if you type and extra alt+f2 I don't think you'll notice much of a difference. |
| 11:03.52 | resiak | michal_: http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/yes-it-is.png |
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| 11:04.14 | michal_ | tralala: i don'tt ype the program name.. i choose it from the hiistory |
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| 11:04.49 | michal_ | tralala: the point is i won't remember alt-f2. just like i didn't remember it this time :P |
| 11:05.01 | michal_ | resiak: they removed it upstream.. |
| 11:05.26 | resiak | michal_: File a buug. They're being stupid |
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| 11:05.41 | michal_ | resiak: they're doing it on purpose.. no use filing a bug |
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| 11:06.31 | resiak | michal_: They smoke such a ridiculous amount of crack. I'm only forcing myself to use Gnome to try to understand why people say it's good. As you may be able to see, I've already replaced the WM :) |
| 11:06.59 | michal_ | resiak: gnome is not tied to any WM |
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| 11:07.29 | resiak | michal_: I know this. Hence why I have changed the WM. Read what I just said... |
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| 11:07.44 | resiak | michal_: That said, they depreciated the clean way to change the wm |
| 11:07.52 | resiak | michal_: so now you have to do it in the sessions stuff |
| 11:08.21 | michal_ | resiak: ok. you made it sound like you were somehow not "proper" using gnome because you changed the WM |
| 11:08.28 | michal_ | doh |
| 11:08.33 | michal_ | not using "proper" gnome |
| 11:08.39 | tralala | gnome is ok for my daughter (she's 2 1/2) - it has big icons :) |
| 11:08.42 | michal_ | see.. i can't even remember how to put words in the correct sequence |
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| 11:09.15 | resiak | michal_: I do think that there's something seriously wrong with Metacity :) |
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| 11:09.32 | tremor | jm_: so i installed alsa but the application still depends on /dev/dsp which doesnt exists. do you have an idea, how to get /dev/dsp and alsa together? |
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| 11:09.55 | michal_ | resiak: it's a decent basic wm. it used to have some features they stripped out of it that i really liked.. but again.. i don't remember what those were :/ |
| 11:10.01 | nadjyla | hello |
| 11:10.07 | tralala | tremor: modprobe the oss emulation |
| 11:10.22 | tremor | jm_: ok, i'll do this. |
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| 11:10.33 | resiak | michal_: It's not a decent WM. I need to write my reasons why not down somewhere so that I can just point people to that URL. Hang on. |
| 11:10.35 | tralala | tremor: it's called snd_pcm_oss |
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| 11:11.19 | michal_ | resiak: how is it not a decent BASIC wm? all that it's supposed to do is let you move and resize windows around and it does that |
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| 11:11.44 | resiak | michal_: Because it has a bunch of braindeaded and irritating behaviours |
| 11:12.30 | AKX | Hey, how could I get a bandwidth limitation for a network adapter? I'd like it to cap at, say, 10k download |
| 11:12.32 | michal_ | resiak: it's designed to act as similarly to windows as possible. it does that reasonably well |
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| 11:12.45 | resiak | michal_: That's not a good way to design it |
| 11:12.51 | tremor | jm_: ah, that looks nice now. :) very thank you :) |
| 11:12.55 | resiak | michal_: Let me finish writing up my reasons. |
| 11:13.08 | michal_ | resiak: it's targeted at windows users so why wouldn't that be a good thing in that context? |
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| 11:14.50 | tralala | michal_: let him write the reasons - I want to read them. |
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| 11:15.24 | foks | resiak: those are YOUR reasons, some people have OTHER reasons to like it |
| 11:15.28 | michal_ | resiak: obviously all those who are not windows or mac users would already know that they can choose to use any window manager they wish (and in fact know that window mangers even exist). many windows users would find even the OPTION of having a chocie of window managers to be a disadvantage :P |
| 11:15.43 | resiak | michal_: It was already hidden in gconf |
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| 11:16.02 | resiak | foks: I know. I'm well aware of the principle of "opinion". I'm just writing up MY reasons, so that I don't have to keep typing them out. |
| 11:16.18 | michal_ | gconf is weird.. reminds me of the registry.. not a big fan |
| 11:16.43 | resiak | It's the registry but done right. I'm all in favour of it. |
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| 11:17.12 | michal_ | i'm not sure such a thing is required at all.. i havn't seen a compelling reason for it |
| 11:17.13 | resiak | It's not a substitute for real option dialogs, but it saves every single app writing its own prefs code |
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| 11:17.19 | resiak | That's the compelling reason |
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| 11:17.27 | tralala | how does gconf keep its database? |
| 11:17.34 | dagbrown | resiak: As you know, your opinions are in danger of monopolizing those of others. You gotta be careful with those things! |
| 11:17.44 | tralala | text or binary format? |
| 11:17.47 | resiak | dagbrown: Heheh |
| 11:17.49 | resiak | tralala: XML |
| 11:17.49 | tanto | anyone running debian inside of vmware? |
| 11:17.55 | resiak | !anyone |
| 11:17.55 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:17.57 | AKX | tanto, as we speak |
| 11:18.03 | tralala | good! |
| 11:18.07 | dagbrown | tanto: I'm running it inside Microsoft Virtual PC! |
| 11:18.18 | iraultza | hello |
| 11:18.29 | tanto | i want to give my debian VM a real IP, like 216.1.2.100, i'm having trouble getting that to work though |
| 11:18.38 | dagbrown | I can't believe that any implementation of the Registry can be "done right". |
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| 11:18.43 | dagbrown | tanto: Oh, NAT it. |
| 11:18.45 | tanto | do i need to add the IP to my vmware server or to the host OS? |
| 11:18.47 | knite | kernel building instructions are not very clear about how to best use patches. |
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| 11:19.26 | tanto | dagbrown: what do you mean? how does that work? |
| 11:19.47 | knite | after I 'make-kpkg configure' (with patch_the_kernel true), 'make-kpkg clean' goes and unpatches the source tree.. |
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| 11:19.58 | danboid | Anybody got devede- the GTK DVD authoring GUI- to work under Debian sid? |
| 11:20.03 | dagbrown | tanto: Set up an extra IP address on the host box and then NAT it through to vmware's IP address. I think the vmware thingies even have stuff to help with that. |
| 11:20.23 | tralala | dagbrown: as far as it doesn't use a retarded, propriarity, binary format, I agree |
| 11:20.28 | tanto | i can't just bind the available ip to my debian vm? |
| 11:21.02 | dagbrown | tanto: Well, that's the idea. But like I said, vmware can probably help you with that. |
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| 11:23.57 | tremor | so thank you, jm_, and a nice day (night) to all :) |
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| 11:28.40 | tijn | hey all |
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| 11:29.39 | Silent_al | hello . |
| 11:31.16 | tijn | ot question, how do i convert the html output of an page to pdf, serverbased |
| 11:31.36 | tijn | abd it uses css2 |
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| 11:33.39 | hueh | tijn: html2ps & ps2pdf? |
| 11:34.12 | tijn | hueh, hey maybe that works.. |
| 11:34.19 | tijn | will check it out thnx! |
| 11:34.25 | Coweater | it won't do any of the rendering that comes from the css |
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| 11:35.06 | tijn | idd |
| 11:35.19 | tijn | html2ps cant handle it |
| 11:36.31 | Coweater | there's a php html2ps that claims to handle css http://www.tufat.com/script19.htm |
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| 11:37.16 | redblade_ | I was wondering why apache 2.2 needs to be started manually every time I start Linux(Ubuntu) |
| 11:37.22 | jm_ | hmm css, reminds me to try and figure out how to make pastebin code mark custom lines with a special colour, if I can be arsed to do it one day |
| 11:37.26 | tijn | hey, the php version look good |
| 11:37.26 | redblade_ | Or rather, how to fix it |
| 11:37.28 | jm_ | redblade_: try #ubuntu |
| 11:37.32 | redblade_ | I did |
| 11:37.35 | redblade_ | No answers |
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| 11:37.39 | jm_ | !they don't know |
| 11:37.39 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 11:37.51 | redblade_ | But It's more of an Apache problem |
| 11:37.59 | redblade_ | So could someone help me? |
| 11:37.59 | jm_ | the Debian answer is - man update-rc.d |
| 11:38.08 | jm_ | no it's an Ubuntu problem |
| 11:38.42 | redblade_ | jm_, how can you be sure? |
| 11:38.42 | jm_ | it also logs things, i.e. error.log |
| 11:38.44 | tralala | redblade_: first, read the man page |
| 11:38.56 | redblade_ | ok |
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| 11:39.04 | jm_ | redblade_: because Ubuntu people compiled and packaged it, and ship it with some sort of config file |
| 11:39.14 | redblade_ | I see |
| 11:39.36 | jm_ | of course it's possible end-user has managed to change something, but I don't expect that Ubuntu users will know how to do that :) |
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| 11:40.27 | redblade_ | Well, is there a Channel that would help with Apache problems? |
| 11:40.43 | jm_ | sure, #apache should exist |
| 11:40.48 | redblade_ | ie #apachehelpforredbladethenewbie |
| 11:41.19 | tralala | redblade_: it doesn't seem to be an apache problem. More likely your system is not configured to start it. |
| 11:41.39 | redblade_ | Oh! I can't believe i dodn't think of that |
| 11:41.45 | redblade_ | I feel so stupid |
| 11:41.56 | redblade_ | Licences |
| 11:42.16 | tralala | !tell redblade_ -about enter |
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| 11:42.41 | redblade_ | lol, sorry |
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| 11:44.45 | redblade_ | So... |
| 11:45.20 | redblade_ | hmm... |
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| 11:46.06 | Silent_al | !hmm redblade_ |
| 11:46.25 | resiak | tralala, michal_: Mind if I /msg you the link to my reasons? I'd rather not put my wiki's URL into #d |
| 11:46.29 | yang | in which package is tcpdump6 ? |
| 11:46.38 | michal_ | resiak, sure |
| 11:46.38 | redblade_ | I'm French |
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| 11:46.58 | asg | yang: /msg dpkg search |
| 11:47.13 | yang | asg: it doesnt find it |
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| 11:47.32 | redblade_ | No I'm not |
| 11:47.39 | redblade_ | Fooled you all! |
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| 11:47.52 | asg | yang: wait, are you sure you meant tcpdump6? tcpdump just dumps packets from an interface. |
| 11:48.48 | michal_ | resiak: lots of those faults can be benefits for those who are coming from braindead windows world.. and they won't even know what root and root passwords are (hopefully) |
| 11:49.08 | resiak | michal_: I didn't mention root passwords anywhere there. Which are benefits? |
| 11:49.24 | resiak | michal_: The first two are not, I think, debatable |
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| 11:49.51 | michal_ | resiak: you mention typing your root password into gaim |
| 11:50.20 | resiak | michal_: I do, but it's just an example |
| 11:50.20 | michal_ | resiak: and windows users benefit from having new windows shoved into their face forcefully.. otherwise they wouldn't even notice them :P |
| 11:50.27 | yang | asg: buddy tells me he has tcpdump6 |
| 11:50.33 | resiak | michal_: You can have windows be on top and not focused, but the Gnome people don't get this. |
| 11:50.34 | tralala | resiak: sure, go ahead |
| 11:50.46 | ColdAsIce | any1 can help me with MC ? |
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| 11:51.20 | slept | I got a problem with the powermanagement of my thinkpad, when I try to use tpctl it always gives me a smapi error ("system is invalid"), what do I miss ? |
| 11:51.39 | michal_ | resiak: that would confuse the hell out of windows people.. i see windows people confused with windows behaviour and metacity fixes most of those quirs.. metacity is really only for those coming from windows.. at least that's my opinion. |
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| 11:51.57 | tralala | slept: do you have the thinkpad modules installed? |
| 11:52.09 | slept | yes |
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| 11:52.27 | resiak | michal_: Surely educating them is better than reimplementing braindeadedness. And we should not set things up so that once people gain competence they move away from the standard WM --- that makes things more confusing |
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| 11:53.11 | yang | asg: <dpkg> Debian Search of 'tcpdump6' (1): (/usr/lib/debian-test/tests/linux/testcases/bin/tcpdump601) in misc/ltp-network-test. |
| 11:53.12 | slept | tralala: but the superio module isn't insertable, the others work (more or less). |
| 11:53.25 | asg | yang: does your buddy use FreeBSD? |
| 11:53.32 | yang | asg: no, debian |
| 11:53.35 | resiak | michal_, tralala: It's been debated to death already. Those are my reasons, so. :-) |
| 11:53.44 | michal_ | resiak: the main aim from gnome is to transition users from windows. at least that's my impression. therefore the default is to make them feel as comfortable as possible.. |
| 11:53.56 | asg | yang: which version? |
| 11:54.03 | yang | asg: i think etch |
| 11:54.10 | tralala | slept: maybe your model is not supported? |
| 11:54.11 | resiak | michal_: That _shouldn't_ be the aim. I think we've found our fundamental difference of opinion. :-) |
| 11:54.27 | yang | asg: this is what i got from dpkg bot |
| 11:54.39 | slept | tralala: should be, its A31p |
| 11:55.34 | asg | yang: dunno, have your buddy run 'apt-cache policy tcpdump6' and see where he got it. |
| 11:55.57 | yang | asg: actually he is running gentoo, but i have etch |
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| 11:56.38 | tralala | slept: I have a 600E and superio does load. I think it should load in yours as well. |
| 11:56.41 | michal_ | resiak, why shouldn't it? the gnome developers choose what their aim is. if you dont' like it you start your own project. i'm not trying to be rude, just pragmatic. i still think gnome is better than windows due to the fact that it allows you to advance in a way windows simply doesn't permit. |
| 11:56.48 | asg | yang: well, tcpdump6 doesn't appear to exist in Debian. See if tcpdump does what you need. |
| 11:57.04 | resiak | michal_: It shouldn't because all the new cool shiny things that I want to use are targetted at Gnome. :-) |
| 11:57.08 | yang | asg: but why does the bot mention it? |
| 11:57.33 | michal_ | resiak: haha.. kde has some great stuff too.. i just don't like kde at all fro some reason |
| 11:57.42 | asg | yang: it's a testcase called tcpdump601 |
| 11:58.10 | yang | ok |
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| 11:58.47 | slept | tralala: do you give additional options ? What kernel do you run ? and what else do I have to be installed ? |
| 11:59.32 | resiak | michal_: *nods* |
| 11:59.57 | aidan | How can I use `mail`, but change the From: header? |
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| 12:02.49 | asg | aidan: the From: header or the envelope sender? Also, do you mean 'mail' in general or mail(1)? |
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| 12:03.01 | aidan | mail(1) |
| 12:03.08 | aidan | just the From header |
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| 12:03.14 | tralala | slept: no, I don't give any. I've last used it successfully with 2.6.12. Now I'm using 2.6.15 and thinkpad-source doesn't compile anymore. |
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| 12:03.33 | asg | aidan: look at the ENVIRONMENT section of the manpage |
| 12:03.49 | fwest | has anyone got iscsi-linux working with sarge? |
| 12:04.25 | tralala | fwest: if you have a particular problem just state it |
| 12:04.26 | aidan | asg: VISUAL? USER? |
| 12:05.10 | aidan | I need to change the whole address, not just the user ... it's okay I think I'll php -r 'mail(..)' it, I was hoping there was a nifty way (trying to debug my verisign gateway) |
| 12:05.16 | aidan | er payflow |
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| 12:06.21 | fwest | tralala, well i was just wondering as documentation seems a little, well limited, unless im looking at the wrong project |
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| 12:07.31 | tralala | fwest: so maybe the *real* question is "can I do X with sarge" (where X is what iscsi-linux is doing). |
| 12:08.58 | juice` | why there is no php5-mcrypt package? is there never going to be one? |
| 12:09.01 | fwest | this seems a little pointless no? |
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| 12:09.13 | sep | fwest, so you want to make a iscsi storage with sarge as OS ? |
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| 12:09.47 | fwest | i want to connect sarge to an iscsi target |
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| 12:11.11 | duplex | Is there a way to edit my xorg.conf so I don't have to use xvidtune everytime I start xwindows to center the image? |
| 12:11.24 | sep | fwest, ignore my ignorance but is't that just getting a iscsi card and load the apropriate module ? |
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| 12:12.17 | Andreas_2 | Qeju: i want install sarge on an external usb harddisk. tried that, installed grub on the internal and grub didn't started with error 21. i've googled around a lot but didn't get the right tip |
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| 12:12.43 | juice` | 'Package php5-mcrypt is not available, but is referred to by another package.' , so.. how can i find the package that is mentioning it ? |
| 12:12.44 | tralala | duplex: when you center it use xvidtune -show and add it as a modeline |
| 12:12.47 | Andreas_2 | so how can i get this fixed. |
| 12:13.13 | duplex | tralala: Okay... where in xorg.conf? |
| 12:13.20 | Andreas_2 | probably with booting with a livecd chroot to the partion and do some magic stuff to grub menu ? |
| 12:13.22 | tralala | duplex: yes |
| 12:13.28 | fwest | sep, i thought the idea what you can run iscsi over ethernet? so you need the right system to wrap up scsi in ip? |
| 12:13.31 | Andreas_2 | it's notebook btw |
| 12:13.33 | tralala | duplex: read the manuals to see how to add modelines |
| 12:13.39 | duplex | tralala: No I meant where in the file :-/ |
| 12:13.41 | duplex | tralala: okay. |
| 12:14.32 | sep | fwest, yes you can use regular ethernet. but you can not use a regular ethernet card. since you can't boot iscsi from that. (afaik) |
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| 12:15.33 | Andreas_2 | Qeju: short summary, sargeinstall on external usb harddisk does not work. grubs hangs with error21 |
| 12:15.36 | fwest | i thought the idea of the iscsi hostbus adapters was just performance |
| 12:16.36 | sep | fwest, and beeing able to boot on them |
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| 12:17.26 | sep | fwest, besides an iscsi card is more like a scsi controller then a network card so i dont think you get around that |
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| 12:18.37 | duplex | tralala: The man page doesn't say which section you should put that line in. |
| 12:18.48 | duplex | tralala: Or is it not in any of the other sections? |
| 12:19.01 | fwest | im not too worried about being able to boot over the network |
| 12:19.06 | jm_ | Andreas_2: grub docs will tell you what error 21 means |
| 12:19.26 | sep | fwest, http://searchstorage.techtarget.com/tip/1,289483,sid5_gci1008962,00.html ay you can use normal nics |
| 12:19.35 | fantomas | Hi. Is there a tool which can walk through directories encoding music found there keeping tags? I have a music collection in FLAC and would like to convert it to MP3 or OGG. |
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| 12:19.46 | juice` | 'Package php5-mcrypt is not available, but is referred to by another package.' , so.. how can i find the package that is mentioning it ? I'm trying to add mcrypt support to my php5. apt-cache search php5 mcrypt or things like that doesn't show anything. |
| 12:19.59 | Andreas_2 | jm_: yes, it tells me the error but gives me no advise how to boot from an usb device with the sarge installer |
| 12:20.08 | tralala | duplex: Now, I don't have xorg installed but I'm pretty sure the man page will say it. Anyway it's been a long time since I've had to add modelines manually and I don't remember anymore. |
| 12:20.40 | duplex | Okay thanks. |
| 12:20.51 | Andreas_2 | jm_: i found no reference in the net about how to install sarge on an external usb hd |
| 12:21.07 | tralala | juice`: use the search of aptitude - it has a lot of search options + a good manual how to use them |
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| 12:21.32 | fwest | oh the driver is now in the kernel source |
| 12:21.51 | ootput | hi guys, does twinview require monitors of equal image resolution? |
| 12:21.59 | fwest | all the docs onthe project home page talk about 2.6.10 being the only kernel you can use |
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| 12:22.39 | tralala | ootput: if the docs don't say it does I would assume it doesn't |
| 12:22.58 | Andreas_2 | Qeju: can grub boot from an external usb drive ? does it recognise it ? |
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| 12:23.23 | juice` | tralala: i tried this. there is some issue with php5-mcrypt, just searchin gfor it wont give any results i think |
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| 12:23.28 | ootput | tralala: there's only one problem.. where do i view the 'doc'? |
| 12:23.53 | tralala | ootput: erm... let see... how about google? |
| 12:24.05 | Andreas_2 | do i need to use the expert mode of the sarge installer to get grub booting from external usb drive ? |
| 12:24.11 | ootput | so you don't know off the top of your head, tralala |
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| 12:24.28 | jm_ | Andreas_2: it should be the same as any other hardware |
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| 12:24.32 | tralala | juice`: you want to search for packages which depend on it |
| 12:24.43 | tralala | ootput: no, not really |
| 12:24.54 | juice` | tralala: i see only Find and Find Backward options in aptitude |
| 12:25.10 | Andreas_2 | jm_: i thought that too before. sarge installed grub on mbr of internal hd, rebooted grub failed with error 21 |
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| 12:25.25 | ootput | so google was just a blanket answer? ta |
| 12:26.23 | tralala | juice`: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/index.html |
| 12:26.29 | MrNaz | i really have zero respect for people who say "google" as an answer to any question they themselves dont know the answer to |
| 12:26.39 | ootput | MrNaz: precisely |
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| 12:26.52 | MrNaz | ootput tralala is a tool, your question was quite reasonable |
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| 12:27.33 | juice` | tralala: no such file or directory ;) but this wont solve my problem. |
| 12:27.36 | angeldodger | Hi. New to Debian. Have done a basic install - no extra packages. Need to add support for a belkin F5D6050 (Atmel firmware? at76c503a?). Have googled a lot but looking for a nice howto if poss as I'm still unsure whether I'm tackling things the right way. |
| 12:27.41 | juice` | tralala: i can use apt-cache depends package |
| 12:27.50 | juice` | tralala: and i did. and it shows only the package im looking for |
| 12:28.09 | jm_ | Andreas_2: the fact that it was copying files from internal disk causes it to be installed with different parameters |
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| 12:28.57 | ft | ootput: do you mean xinerama? |
| 12:29.33 | Andreas_2 | jm_: hmm, sarge installer didn't gave me the option to put grub on the external usb drive mbr. so if it would be on the external it would probably work ? |
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| 12:30.03 | jm_ | Andreas_2: hard to say, I am just saying that if such scenario occurs, it calls install command with different options and that may affect things |
| 12:30.36 | tralala | juice`: perhaps it's not packaged yet or it has been broken by some update and waits to be fixed... isn't there anything in the bts? |
| 12:31.10 | juice` | tralala: bts? |
| 12:31.12 | ootput | ft: no, i'd like to use the twinview feature of my video card. I found 'the doc' that tralala was referring to (ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7676/README.txt,) but even better, I found a forum post that dealt with my particular card (which made things a lot easier): http://www.linuxcompatible.org/Nvidia_and_Red_Hat_WS4_t32912.html |
| 12:31.21 | Andreas_2 | jm_: thanks, i will try again in expert mode and when it comes to install grub try to find a way to bug around the installer |
| 12:31.21 | tralala | !tell juice` -about bts |
| 12:31.40 | juice` | oh. i will check. |
| 12:31.48 | ootput | ft: thanks though |
| 12:32.22 | tralala | ootput: so finally google wasn't such a bad answer, was it? |
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| 12:33.32 | juice` | tralala: no, it doesnt find this package in bugs.debian.org |
| 12:34.22 | tralala | juice`: Try the package that depends on it. |
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| 12:35.07 | ootput | tralala: no, but "if the docs don't say it does I would assume it doesn't" was. So was "erm... let see... how about google?" You didn't stop to think that I was using google, and the search hits revealed nothing but other person's questions? That's what got to me, in addition to the possibility that you didn't know the answer yourself |
| 12:35.13 | fatbrain | how do I remove a user I've added using assuser? |
| 12:35.19 | chealer | angeldodger: you should figure out what's the chipset by yourself. #debian isn't Google |
| 12:35.27 | juice` | tralala: i also tried reading aptitude help, but it's user manual, available from inside of the aptitude, doesnt have any references, and its hard to read one big text file :( |
| 12:35.40 | jm_ | fatbrain: man adduser lists other related commands |
| 12:35.45 | juice` | tralala: apt-cache depends php5-mcrypt only shows php5-mcrypt |
| 12:35.46 | mcm | the hd on my laptop sounds like a very old car and i think it will die soon. Does anyone know how i could mirror the hole hd to an other. i can't put 2 hd's into the same laptop but on the other side i have 2 laptop. i would really appreciate any ideas... |
| 12:36.05 | jm_ | mcm: you can copy it over network |
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| 12:36.12 | juice` | tralala: no idea how to search it in aptitude, since under '?' i can't see instruction on how to search help file |
| 12:36.13 | dorel | im wondering if there's a way to bypass that windows xp "pin login passwod" somehow |
| 12:36.31 | mcm | jm_: any tool names? that can do this? |
| 12:36.37 | tralala | ootput: you might start your question with something like "google didn't help" to avoid being referred to google |
| 12:36.47 | jm_ | mcm: well I used tar |
| 12:36.53 | dorel | i know there are live cds for rescue windows admin password and stuff but not sure about pin codes |
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| 12:37.18 | ootput | tralala: to remove any doubt as to whether or not i was a noob? |
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| 12:38.07 | tralala | ootput: precisely |
| 12:38.12 | mcm | jm_, you like booting both systems with eg. live cd's and then copy them from one system to another with tar... |
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| 12:38.38 | jm_ | mcm: exactly, plus something that will do network transfer |
| 12:39.10 | tralala | juice`: why do you want to install it anyway? |
| 12:39.40 | mcm | jm_, but wouldn't that mean that i have to have at least twice the size of the current hd. first to store the tar and then to unpack it? |
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| 12:39.48 | ootput | mercy |
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| 12:39.58 | juice` | tralala: becouse i'm using software that depends on it |
| 12:40.00 | jm_ | mcm: no, you don't store it, you send it directly over the net and extract it on the other end |
| 12:40.06 | juice` | tralala: and i want to move from php4 to php5 |
| 12:40.15 | tralala | juice`: unpackaged software? |
| 12:40.37 | mcm | jm_, sorry for the stupid question but how can i do that? |
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| 12:40.47 | angeldodger | chealer: Thanks. Am happy that the device has the atmel at76c503a chipset, but unsure how to proceed. |
| 12:40.51 | tralala | juice`: by the way the aptitude manual is in: aptitude-doc-en |
| 12:41.10 | jm_ | mcm: well tar can write target archive to stdout, does that help? |
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| 12:41.24 | chealer | angeldodger: you mean you are sure that it's a at76c503a chipset? |
| 12:41.33 | tralala | mcm: with netcat |
| 12:41.36 | juice` | tralala: yes, something that is not in debian packages. VHCS control panel to be precise |
| 12:42.00 | mcm | tralala, ok. thanks. |
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| 12:42.41 | mcm | jm_, i will look at tralala's recommendation; with netcat. |
| 12:42.58 | jm_ | mcm: yes, I was getting there, but he spoiled the fun - tar + nc is what I used |
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| 12:43.17 | foks | mcm: or cryptcat (encrypted netcat) |
| 12:43.17 | mcm | jm_, hehe... ok.... |
| 12:43.18 | juice` | tralala: i'm reading it right now :) |
| 12:43.23 | fatbrain | how could I add a new user, let's say "fatbrain" so that I'll get a home-directory and all? |
| 12:43.46 | jm_ | man adduser |
| 12:44.05 | mcm | foks, i'm on my home network. so i think netcat should be enough. thanks anyway. |
| 12:44.17 | angeldodger | chealer: No. I am happy that this is the chipset, but unsure what to do next. I have the same machine booting suse and it detects and configures the device without problem and shows the hardware as at76c503-rfmd.acc . I am not trying to configure the machine as a debian server and want to get the device working on this system, without the help of a flashy installer! |
| 12:44.21 | tralala | juice`: My guess is that it isn't packaged so you have to install it yourself. |
| 12:44.50 | angeldodger | chealer: sorry ... Now trying to configure the machine as... not Not! |
| 12:45.16 | mcm | jm_, btw: do you also know a good rescue cd that has almost everything that i will need on it? |
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| 12:45.32 | ft | mcm: grml.org |
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| 12:45.36 | jm_ | mcm: Knoppix is bound to have it, BBC Linux too, or GRML |
| 12:45.45 | HCl | how can i force installing of an old version of a program? i have an unstable enlightenment and i need to downgrade to my old version |
| 12:46.20 | mcm | ft, jm_ : thanks a lot! |
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| 12:46.53 | chealer | angeldodger: I don't see why you'd be happy, but if you're sure that it's an at76c503a chipset, what did you try yet? |
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| 12:51.36 | mcm | jm_, probably the last question: did you just tarred the hole hd (tar cf - /dev/hda) or partition by partition (tar cf - /dev/hda1) or just the files (tar cf - /*) ? |
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| 12:52.34 | jm_ | mcm: no, that would be done with dd - I mounted it and tared and untarred with the right options |
| 12:52.55 | angeldodger | chealer: Isn't the fact that the driver for the same device under SuSE begins with at76c503a a good sign? I've installed wireless-tools. Ran iwconfig which returns "No wireless extensions". I've assumed that I now need to download source files for the device and build / modprobe it, but am suprised as other snippets I have read seem to hint that this device should be supported by the current kernel. |
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| 12:53.05 | jm_ | mcm: I wanted to use NFS first, but that didn't go too well (NIC issues) so I ended up using tar, but it's pretty simple to setup NFS in Knoppix |
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| 12:54.47 | mcm | jm_, you mean with the right options tar's archive (-a) option. or did you use anything fancy? |
| 12:54.57 | stoned | wtf is with my connection |
| 12:55.04 | mcm | jm_, in case you should still remember... |
| 12:55.23 | chealer | angeldodger: oh, yeah, that would be a good sign. where did you read that BTW? and for which kernel exactly? |
| 12:57.23 | angeldodger | chealer: I rebooted (to SuSE) and looked in YAST to see which driver it was showing for the device. Problem is I haven't found anything (yet) on google that tells me how to get this driver working on debian... As for the kernel of the SuSE system, I'll find out.... |
| 12:57.36 | jm_ | mcm: hmm I used --atime-preserve --numeric-owner --same-owner --preserve-permissions and I think -s also |
| 12:58.36 | chealer | angeldodger: try determining if the driver is in the current main kernel tree |
| 12:58.39 | mcm | jm_, ok. thank you very much!! |
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| 12:59.17 | jm_ | mcm: and for extra paranoia, I md5sum-verified all the files |
| 12:59.45 | mcm | jm_, since the installation of my current systems dates over 2 years i can't afford to loose anything... |
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| 12:59.55 | angeldodger | chealer: SuSE kernel 2.6.13-15.8-default. How can I do that? |
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| 13:00.25 | mcm | jm_, md5sum after copying files. how did you automated that? |
| 13:00.41 | Andreas_2 | i'm in the grub console. i'm looking for a command which shows me all partions |
| 13:00.48 | Andreas_2 | like fdisk -l |
| 13:00.57 | chealer | angeldodger: it's not really trivial. if google doesn't say, try grabbing the Linux source |
| 13:01.09 | jm_ | mcm: I didn't automate it, I generated md5sums before copying things over and then simply compared md5sums against the md5sum output file generated on old machine |
| 13:01.09 | Andreas_2 | want to know which naming the external usb hd has |
| 13:01.19 | Andreas_2 | help doesn't helped me any further |
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| 13:02.24 | jm_ | Andreas_2: naming? /dev/sd* in Linux |
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| 13:03.07 | Andreas_2 | jm_: yes, but is it the same for grub ? |
| 13:03.07 | jm_ | Andreas_2: as for GRUB, it's the same for all disks, info grub has Naming convention chapter |
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| 13:03.36 | mcm | jm_, didn't it mixed up the order of the filenames? -- ohh, you could use something like (find -name * |sort |xargs md5sum -- > md5sums.txt) of course... |
| 13:04.04 | angeldodger | chealer: When I search the jigdo files the only ref I find to the device is on CD 14 of the source ISOs, so I guess that answers that?! I have downloaded that CD, done a apt-cdrom add then tried to apt-install the device, but it says it can't find it, and I'm at a loss to why! |
| 13:04.30 | jm_ | mcm: order doesn't matter, as long as it includes all the files - I use cfv for such purposes, much handier |
| 13:04.41 | fwest | \quit |
| 13:04.44 | Andreas_2 | jm_: but grub uses (hd0,x) how would sda then be translated ? maybe i have just a logical problem on my side |
| 13:04.54 | chealer | angeldodger: which command did you try? you're using 3.1? |
| 13:05.05 | jm_ | Andreas_2: translated to what? |
| 13:05.43 | Andreas_2 | jm_: (sda,1) doesn't work for grub |
| 13:05.59 | jm_ | Andreas_2: did you read "Naming convention" chapter? |
| 13:06.13 | mcm | jm_, didn't know that tool. thanks for the tip. |
| 13:06.31 | Andreas_2 | jm_: yes, probably external hd would be then hd1 |
| 13:07.01 | Andreas_2 | jm_: that's why am asking if grub console can lookup up the partitation /hd available |
| 13:07.18 | Andreas_2 | jm_: ups, wait |
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| 13:07.30 | jm_ | Andreas_2: TAB will list detected devices ... RTFM |
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| 13:08.24 | Andreas_2 | jm_: you are right, my fault, just noticed that part. thanks for your help and sorry for running in this rtfm pitfall |
| 13:08.48 | angeldodger | chealer: 3.1. And I tried, "apt-get install at76c503a_0.12.beta19.orig.tar.gz" and "apt-get install at76c503a_0.12.beta19-4.diff.gz" as I'm unsure of the difference between these two, but both return "Couldn't find package" |
| 13:09.22 | chealer | angeldodger: try # apt-get install at76c503a-source |
| 13:10.11 | angeldodger | chealer: Same message |
| 13:10.27 | chealer | angeldodger: could you show your sources.list? |
| 13:10.33 | stoned | is there a way to somehow configure the extra buttons on my multimedia keyboard? |
| 13:10.48 | angeldodger | chealer: On here? |
| 13:10.59 | chealer | !tell angeldodger about paster |
| 13:11.12 | dagbrown | stoned: Fire up xev and bang on the extra keys until you have mappings for all of 'em. |
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| 13:12.48 | sylvisj | How do I fix this? './armyops-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory' |
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| 13:13.20 | dagbrown | sylvisj: Install an older version of the standard C++ library of course! |
| 13:13.32 | dagbrown | armyops-bin? That icculus's port of America's Army? |
| 13:13.39 | sylvisj | Yeah. |
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| 13:13.54 | sylvisj | Can't I just use the newer version? I'd like to stay on etch |
| 13:14.09 | stoned | dagbrown, any other information on that, what is xec |
| 13:14.15 | stoned | xev* |
| 13:14.22 | dagbrown | sylvisj: You could try symlinking your libstdc++.so.6 to libstdc++.so.5 if you feel really brave. |
| 13:14.33 | sylvisj | I'll give it a shot. How would I do so? |
| 13:14.49 | dagbrown | sylvis: ln -s /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 |
| 13:14.51 | angeldodger | chealer: can't paste as the debian machine doesn't have a network connection! The sources CD does appear in the sources.list file though, and if I look at the jigdo file on this machine it contains the at76... source. I'm confused! |
| 13:14.53 | sylvisj | I don't mind a reinstall of Etch if it dies, but I can't do Wine on Sarge. |
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| 13:15.09 | dagbrown | I don't particularly recommend doing that, mind, but like I said, if you're feeling adventurous... |
| 13:15.18 | sylvisj | Heh, beats no AA. |
| 13:15.19 | dagbrown | stoned: xev is the X event viewer. |
| 13:15.42 | sylvisj | ./armyops-bin: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5: version `GLIBCPP_3.2' not found (required by ./armyops-bin) ./armyops-bin: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5: version `CXXABI_1.2' not found (required by ./armyops-bin) |
| 13:15.45 | sylvisj | Well that sucks. |
| 13:15.59 | hondadude | hi |
| 13:16.01 | goron | I want to print a webpage from Firefox 1.5, but it says (after I selected Cups/Epson) that the paper format is incorrectly specified/not supported by the printer. |
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| 13:16.06 | signius | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.07 | signius | exit |
| 13:16.13 | Kiowas | hello |
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| 13:16.18 | signius | shutdown -h now |
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| 13:16.19 | dagbrown | stoned: Do an xmodmap -pke > xmodmap-new. It'll have a lot of lines of keys that don't have definitions yet. Fire up xev and hit the extra keys to get the keycodes for your extra keys. |
| 13:16.31 | stoned | dagbrown, one I get get the keycodes, how do I bind them to thier ascociated tasks, like i have back/forard, refresh/search/fav/web/home/mail/stop/forward/play/rewind/and bunches of other buttons on the keyaboard |
| 13:16.34 | goron | This is all very cool, and all, but I don' t remember me setting it in the first place, I can print happily with Konqueror, though. |
| 13:16.57 | goron | It's related to this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=309883 |
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| 13:17.08 | dagbrown | stoned: Then edit xmodmap-new to put all the right bindings in the appropriate place. Google around--they tend to have names like XF86Next and the like. |
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| 13:17.22 | hondadude | can someone help me with my shared folder ?? |
| 13:18.21 | chealer | angeldodger: if "contrib" doesn't appear in sources.list, it won't work. see man sources.list if it's the problem |
| 13:18.31 | dagbrown | stoned: Then when you're done fiddling with the keymappings, say "xmodmap xmodmap-new" and you will, at least, have the extra keybindings handy. What you do with them afterwards is up to you. |
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| 13:18.48 | Kiowas | Im having a problem installing a package. it says "trying to overwrite '/usr/include/X11', which is also in package libxft-dev" "System startup links for /etc/init.d/x11-common already exist." anyone know whats going on? |
| 13:18.50 | chealer | hondadude: what does that mean, and how can we guess? |
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| 13:19.08 | chealer | Kiowas: which package? |
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| 13:19.19 | Kiowas | chealer x11-common |
| 13:19.43 | fantomas | Hi. Is there a tool which can walk through directories, encoding music found there and keeping tags? I have a music collection in FLAC and would like to convert it to MP3 or OGG. |
| 13:19.57 | TinoW | fantomas: yes |
| 13:20.04 | hondadude | i cant get windows users to write to my shared folder on my debian box |
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| 13:20.19 | hondadude | they can long in |
| 13:20.21 | fantomas | TinoW: bash? :)) |
| 13:20.37 | drac | Kiowas: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common-hit-your-tab-button |
| 13:20.50 | chealer | Kiowas: which release? |
| 13:21.00 | lou_gr | hi. can anyone help me getting net/bpf.h ?? |
| 13:21.19 | fantomas | TinoW: what is that tool? |
| 13:21.31 | Kiowas | chealer unstable x86 |
| 13:21.38 | TinoW | fantomas: man find :-) |
| 13:21.38 | lou_gr | in which pack. is it included? |
| 13:21.41 | chealer | Kiowas: look at the BTS |
| 13:21.43 | TinoW | fantomas: and man xargs |
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| 13:22.06 | petemc | lou_gr: install apt-file , a number of packages provide that file |
| 13:22.06 | drac | lou_gr: "apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update" and you can search yourself. "apt-file search net/bpf.h" |
| 13:22.35 | lou_gr | can you plz tell me one of them? |
| 13:22.50 | Susperia | guys, im running into a problem while installing certain packages, i had it twice before, and now again with tomcat4, if anyone wouldnt mind looking at http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/g3bYbY58.html and giving me some advice please |
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| 13:23.03 | Kiowas | drac: well, that installed it. I hope it doesnt create any problems |
| 13:23.11 | TinoW | fantomas: find /folder -printf "lame ... options... %p && id2v3 .. %f\n" | sed ... | bash for example :-) IF you want to set the ID tag with filename/pathname |
| 13:23.12 | angeldodger | chealer: the following appears in sources.list "deb-src cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 _Sarge_ - Official Source-14 (20051220)] / unstable contrib main" |
| 13:23.13 | petemc | lou_gr: libpcap0.7-dev, libnessus-dev, libnewlib-headers - really tho - install apt-file |
| 13:23.26 | lou_gr | thanx!! |
| 13:23.43 | drac | Kiowas: It shouldn't. The file from x11-common should be right. |
| 13:24.05 | coolpix | lo |
| 13:24.17 | nkuttler | Susperia: fix the tomcat4 postinst script. /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 13:24.20 | fantomas | TinoW: keeping tags means I want to transfer metaflac'ed tags to either vorbiscomment'ed for OGGs or id3'ed for MP3s |
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| 13:24.33 | TinoW | fantomas: whatever metaflac is ;) |
| 13:24.46 | chealer | angeldodger: that's a..."source source" (vs binary source). do you have binary sources? |
| 13:24.50 | fantomas | TinoW: the native way to tag flacs |
| 13:24.51 | Kiowas | thanks |
| 13:25.00 | Susperia | nkuttler: thanks |
| 13:25.15 | TinoW | fantomas: lame can add strings you provide as option to your mp3 too and I guess oggenc should do as well |
| 13:25.34 | TinoW | fantomas: so you have to find a way to extract that data per file |
| 13:25.36 | angeldodger | chealer: Didn't realise there was a difference, so no! |
| 13:25.40 | fantomas | TinoW: oggenc transfers FLAC's tags by default |
| 13:25.53 | fantomas | TinoW: thats why my question ;) |
| 13:25.53 | TinoW | fantomas: then just use it. Thats simple |
| 13:26.04 | TinoW | fantomas: and I dont understand your question then ;) |
| 13:26.19 | fantomas | TinoW: MP3 or OGG. Not just OGG |
| 13:26.23 | chealer | angeldodger: that must explain the problem. are you sure you downloaded the right CDs? |
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| 13:26.28 | TinoW | fantomas: pardon? |
| 13:26.47 | TinoW | fantomas: logically or means: if you can have ogg, you dont need mp3 :-) |
| 13:27.26 | fantomas | TinoW: yeah, you win, your logic better then mine :) |
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| 13:27.46 | fantomas | TinoW: I mean I want either OGG or MP3 |
| 13:27.48 | TinoW | fantomas: actually mr. boolean invented it ;-) |
| 13:28.13 | TinoW | fantomas: still the same. You mean you want OGG _and_ MP3? |
| 13:28.28 | dagbrown | fantomas: You won't take MP4? |
| 13:28.39 | TinoW | dagbrown: ;) |
| 13:28.50 | fantomas | TinoW: hell :) I mean BOTH :)) |
| 13:28.56 | dagbrown | All my CDs get ripped to ogg for the iAudio and MP4 for the iPod |
| 13:29.14 | angeldodger | chealer: I downloaded the 14 standard install CDs and CD 14 of the 'source' CDs as that is where the Debian package search told me I could find that module. So this is a source CD that needs building? |
| 13:29.33 | dagbrown | Good lord angeldodger |
| 13:29.38 | dagbrown | You have way more bandwidth than I do |
| 13:29.40 | fantomas | TinoW: I myself love OGG, but some backwarded players like iPod prefer MP3 |
| 13:29.52 | dagbrown | fantomas: My iPod has no MP3s on it! |
| 13:30.14 | fantomas | dagbrown: hm... really? So what is MP4 then? |
| 13:30.21 | TinoW | fantomas: ok, so whats your problem? |
| 13:30.22 | dagbrown | fantomas: It's AAC. |
| 13:30.32 | TinoW | fantomas: just chain some unix commends and get what you want |
| 13:30.35 | fantomas | dagbrown: iTunes converts it? |
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| 13:30.49 | dagbrown | fantomas: Who the hell uses iTunes? I use faac and gtkpod. |
| 13:31.00 | fantomas | dagbrown: Apple does :) |
| 13:31.01 | chealer | angeldodger: no, at76c503-source is a binary Debian package containing the source for the driver. that package is built from the at76c503 source Debian package, but you don't need to know that |
| 13:31.03 | dagbrown | The last time I let a Mac touch my iPod it hopelessly corrupted it. |
| 13:31.20 | CosmoDad | hi I'm looking for a package which allows to ban an IP once it failed x consecutive ssh attempts... does anyone know any? |
| 13:31.30 | petemc | CosmoDad: fail2ban, denyhosts |
| 13:31.32 | chealer | angeldodger: you need to give APT a binary contrib source containing at76c503-source |
| 13:31.35 | angeldodger | dagbrown: I thank you! ;) |
| 13:31.38 | fantomas | dagbrown: what model you have? |
| 13:31.48 | dagbrown | fantomas: I have an iPod Nano. |
| 13:31.53 | dagbrown | (4G, black) |
| 13:32.02 | dagbrown | It's my "little" MP3 player. |
| 13:32.05 | petemc | i thought nanos were 5g |
| 13:32.08 | nvz | dagbrown: is that bigger or smaller than the shuffle? |
| 13:32.10 | angeldodger | chealer: K. Off to search for that. Thanx |
| 13:32.11 | dagbrown | My "big" MP3 player is the iAudio M3. |
| 13:32.24 | dagbrown | nvz: Physically? A touch bigger. Storage-wise? Much bigger. |
| 13:32.25 | fantomas | petemc: 1g was eated by OS X? :) |
| 13:32.25 | chealer | angeldodger: I hope you're not too confused by the binary and source stuff |
| 13:32.32 | petemc | :) |
| 13:32.35 | CosmoDad | petemc: I can't find either in debian stable rep... |
| 13:32.44 | petemc | CosmoDad: they're not in stable |
| 13:32.51 | CosmoDad | petemc: but is it packaged? |
| 13:32.55 | CosmoDad | petemc: testing, unstable? |
| 13:33.14 | dagbrown | Anyway, I couldn't find faac or libmp4 in Debian so I wound up rolling my own and my own gtkpod, so caveat emptor. |
| 13:33.19 | petemc | CosmoDad: they're in unstable, yes - there are other ways to achieve what you need - have a google |
| 13:33.28 | nvz | dagbrown: yeah I meant phyisical size.. I just recently got an iPod Mini and an iPod Shuffle.. the mini is broken, and th shuffle just needed the database and folders and shit setup I squared it away with gtkpod |
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| 13:33.46 | dagbrown | nvz: The Nano is about perfect for me: it disappears into a shirt pocket. |
| 13:33.53 | nvz | dagbrown: people keep bringin them to me to work on.. they arent quite as easy as working on a PC |
| 13:34.10 | CosmoDad | petemc: been googling for a while, most pages I found offer some hackish scripts which I don't wanna try on my stable server |
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| 13:34.21 | dagbrown | Get one of those silicone protective sleeves and it dramatically improves the user interface. |
| 13:34.29 | petemc | CosmoDad: its scripts or iptables recent module |
| 13:34.30 | CosmoDad | petemc: if you have any reliable sources I'd be glad to hear |
| 13:34.43 | dagbrown | Since the silicone sleeve has a big round hole for the controls, it makes it so you can drive it without actually taking it out of your pocket. |
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| 13:34.46 | CosmoDad | petemc: so what would you recommend? |
| 13:35.35 | petemc | CosmoDad: i used to use a home brewed script which used "ip route add prohibit $ip" , im using a friends script now which uses /etc/hosts.allow |
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| 13:35.56 | petemc | CosmoDad: denyhosts is on sourceforge, its pretty popular |
| 13:36.37 | jm_ | or iptables recent module |
| 13:36.56 | angeldodger | chealer: can you believe I used to develop kernel drivers for XP?! ;) No, not confused about what source files are, just about what exactly I'm trying to find! |
| 13:36.57 | petemc | 13:34 < petemc> CosmoDad: its scripts or iptables recent module |
| 13:37.14 | jm_ | I guess he considers both hackish then |
| 13:37.21 | nvz | dagbrown: I dont own one, I just get people brining all sorts of them to me for servicing. I am not an ipod tech, I work on PCs.. but for cash I will do non-surgical outpatient care on them |
| 13:37.25 | vivid | hello, im running an amd64 system, and ive installed a chroot 32bit system to run the flash player on, but when i try to run firefox, im getting unable to open display errors, ive searched google and cannot find any type of solution, anyone else have similar issues? |
| 13:38.04 | chealer | angeldodger: I can...it's really a Debian-specific terminology that is getting as confusing as it could be |
| 13:38.07 | jm_ | vivid: it's trying to connect via PF_UNIX socket which is not available in chroot - my guess |
| 13:38.46 | chealer | angeldodger: you need something deb mirror release main contrib in your sources.list |
| 13:38.54 | nvz | dagbrown: the iPod mini I still got sitting here.. its a fairly new 4gb version in good physical condition, but I think the hd died. the owner considers it a paperweight and offered me 50% of whatever I could get out of it selling it for parts or in pieces |
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| 13:39.17 | CosmoDad | petemc, jm_: I'll take a look at the recent module, it seems less complex compared to denyhosts |
| 13:39.27 | CosmoDad | jm_: and no, I don't consider iptables hackish :) |
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| 13:40.22 | CosmoDad | petemc, jm_: erm this recent module isn't part of Debian's iptables package, is it? |
| 13:40.27 | jm_ | CosmoDad: it is |
| 13:40.29 | superabje | oi |
| 13:40.32 | nvz | dagbrown: each part in them things screen, hd..etc sells for like $50 or so on ebay.. and they sell broken sometimes too.. I think the best thing would be to fix it its worth mor that way, but those mini's everything is tucked into a metal sleve with plastic glued on the ends.. and I dont want to fuck with it |
| 13:41.46 | CosmoDad | jm_: can't find any occurance of "recent" in the man-page... is this is testing or unstable only? |
| 13:42.27 | jm_ | CosmoDad: no, ls -l /lib/iptables/libipt_recent.so |
| 13:42.35 | superabje | Can i ask a very n00b qeustion..? |
| 13:42.53 | jm_ | superabje: you already have |
| 13:43.03 | superabje | :) |
| 13:43.07 | dagbrown | nvz: Yeah, iPods are hard to get into. |
| 13:43.24 | dagbrown | You can actually get into them without destroying them but you have to be real careful. |
| 13:43.39 | Silent_al | hello guys, can you please recommend a nice gtk based cd burning app to use with xfce desktop? |
| 13:43.47 | CosmoDad | jm_: I see it, guess I'll have to look for docs on the Internet |
| 13:43.55 | Coweater | Silent_al: graveman |
| 13:44.13 | jm_ | CosmoDad: there should be an article about it on DA web page |
| 13:44.14 | dagbrown | Silent_al: Look around for front-ends to growisofs. |
| 13:44.16 | superabje | I need to install nvidia drivers but debain starting up with the x server, how i can make debian boot without the x server |
| 13:44.31 | jm_ | CosmoDad: iptables tutorial also covers it -- /msg dpkg iptables tutorial |
| 13:44.42 | jm_ | superabje: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 13:44.50 | Silent_al | Coweater , dagbrown , thanx :) |
| 13:44.56 | superabje | thxs jm |
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| 13:45.07 | Coweater | k3b's nicer if you have space for the libs though |
| 13:45.19 | angeldodger | chealer: can't add a mirror to the sources list as no network connection yet on that machine - it's an isolated machine, hence the need to get wlan working. I've downloaded ...pool/contrib/a/at76c503a/at76c503a-source_0.12.beta23-4_all.deb Am I right in thinking that this is a good start?! |
| 13:45.53 | dagbrown | Yeah, k3b isn't bad, but I don't like non-command-line burning utilities. My own personal taste. |
| 13:45.55 | CosmoDad | jm_, petemc: thanks |
| 13:46.12 | Silent_al | Coweater, dont wana mess my pretty debian box with KDE's libs . |
| 13:46.35 | nvz | dagbrown: no ipods are real easy to get into, the original iPod style case is titaniam and plastic sandwitch and snapps apart reletivly simple, and the shuffle is all plastic.. but the mini is sort of like a flattened metal cylindar, and its got two oval plastic things glued to each end and they just slide the LCD, Mobo, Microdrive, LION Battery sandwitch in there and glue it all down |
| 13:46.40 | dagbrown | My pretty debian box is *full* of KDE libs. |
| 13:47.13 | dagbrown | nvz: Yeah, like I said, you have to be careful. The nano is the same way--it's a hermetically sealed box. |
| 13:47.19 | nvz | dagbrown: you need a slew of tools and detailed photos and diagrams to take apart a mini without breakin it |
| 13:47.46 | dagbrown | Me, I prefer to attack my iPods through software than through hardware. |
| 13:48.25 | dagbrown | Still, hfs+ iPods need to die. |
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| 13:48.42 | nvz | dagbrown: well this one gives me the sad iPod, and if I try doing the keycodes to ender disk mode or whatever I get a folder with an exclamation point on it.. and from what it sounds like when I put the stethoscope to it, I think the drive is bad |
| 13:48.48 | nvz | dagbrown: sounds unhealthy |
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| 13:49.10 | dagbrown | nvz: "folder with an exclamation point"--what, you plug your iPod into a Mac? |
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| 13:50.15 | nvz | dagbrown: no when you boot it up you get the sad ipod.. then there is a key combo you can press thats supposed to put into a raw disk mode so you can access it like a mass-storage device from the pc for the purpose of possibly formatting it or restoring software.. but it doesnt make it into that mode, it shows a folder on the screen with an exclamation point |
| 13:50.23 | chealer | angeldodger: "mirror" could refer to your CDs too, like the deb-src source line you pasted before. that file should probably do, although it's from Debian testing/unstable. but in this case I think it should work anyway. you could try to install it directly with dpkg and bypass APT, but it depends on "atmel-firmware", which is something you need to get from non-free |
| 13:50.33 | Vindevogel | hi |
| 13:50.44 | Vindevogel | I have a problem with mysql and pure-ftpd |
| 13:50.51 | Vindevogel | I can't get it to create the homedirs |
| 13:50.55 | nvz | dagbrown: it doesnt even register on the pc.. cause it wont boot far enough to go into disk mode either by key command or automatically for transferring music |
| 13:51.05 | Vindevogel | I have the "CreateHomeDirs" file in conf, with yes in it |
| 13:51.20 | Vindevogel | Pureftpd runs in standalone mode (but also tried inetd) |
| 13:51.34 | Vindevogel | Rest of ftp works, including the directive ChrootEveryone |
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| 13:52.03 | Vindevogel | I had pureftpd working with postgresql before, and it did not give me a problem |
| 13:52.04 | dagbrown | nvz: Is it an HFS+ iPod? |
| 13:52.33 | Vindevogel | I added the "ftpgroup" and the "ftpuser" |
| 13:52.40 | nvz | dagbrown: I have no idea, afaik its vfat.. but when I first saw it it would not even turn on.. after long charge, I got it to boot up to a very much unsuable state |
| 13:52.46 | Vindevogel | Don't know whether this is needed |
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| 13:53.02 | dagbrown | nvz: When you plug it into your Linux box, what's dmesg say about its partition table? |
| 13:53.10 | Vindevogel | Where can I find out why pureftpd could not create the home dir |
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| 13:53.30 | dagbrown | nvz: And also, you might need to cough up the sixty bucks (convert to local currency) for a new battery. |
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| 13:54.20 | nvz | dagbrown: you cant read the partition table. its not a mass storage device until it goes into disk mode, which either the user does, or the ipod software does when its operational so that you can copy songs.. but if the OS on it is dead, the only way to get into disk mode is with the key combo and its not working |
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| 13:54.41 | angeldodger | chealer: Ok, have atmel-firmware now. Will go play with dpkg... |
| 13:54.47 | dagbrown | nvz: It really is a mass storage device whether it's in disk mode or not :) |
| 13:55.04 | nvz | dagbrown: well the kernel doesnt see anything |
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| 13:55.14 | nvz | dagbrown: its apperently not anything USB until it boots |
| 13:55.26 | dagbrown | nvz: The "restore" functionality works by rewriting the partition table and scribbling a firmware in the first partition. |
| 13:55.28 | harshal | hi guys how to make a bootable cd from a content of folder, if that folder contains a whole OS. |
| 13:55.41 | dagbrown | Er, scribbling a firmware image even |
| 13:56.07 | nvz | dagbrown: to do that you have to get it into disk mode by pressing like three buttons |
| 13:56.21 | dagbrown | nvz: Nuh-uh. |
| 13:56.29 | nvz | dagbrown: I get an error when I do that. I think its telling me what I already suspect from listening to its vitals.. the hd is dead |
| 13:56.44 | nvz | dagbrown: thats what the iPod technical docs I looked up say |
| 13:56.49 | dagbrown | I mean, maybe if you're using the Official Apple Software, but if you stick it into a Linux box it turns up as a storage device. |
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| 13:57.17 | nvz | dagbrown: I get no storage device I dont think I even get a USB connect event.. let me see |
| 13:57.20 | dagbrown | And I *am* assuming that since you're here in #debian that that's exactly what you're doing. |
| 13:57.38 | harshal | how to make a bootable cd? |
| 13:57.58 | dagbrown | harshal: From scratch? It's a little involved, but RTFM mkisofs() and it actually explains how. |
| 13:58.21 | jm_ | or use isolinux or GRUB's El Torito images |
| 13:58.27 | harshal | dagbrown: thanks. |
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| 13:59.00 | dagbrown | harshal: But harken to jm_'s "isolinux" advice. |
| 13:59.04 | nvz | dagbrown: nope I plug in the usb cable and it turns on and shows an Apple Logo, then a Sad Mac, then a battery charging logo and never registers any messages at all in dmesg |
| 13:59.22 | Vindevogel | nobody on the pureftpd stuff ? |
| 13:59.46 | dagbrown | nvz: That's weird. Even though I've *completely broken* my iPod, it's never gotten that far out of whack. Do you have a Windows box handy? You could try running the "restore" utility on it. |
| 14:00.16 | nvz | dagbrown: _I_ personally dont have one, but there are some around.. I think he has the software in the box too. |
| 14:00.18 | xoz | nvz: you can mount ipod in linux. have you tried it? |
| 14:00.23 | nvz | dagbrown: I think the drive is broken |
| 14:00.36 | jm_ | dagbrown: he'll have to use mkisofs with both of them too, it's just that he'll get the command from respective doc files |
| 14:00.43 | nvz | xoz: how many times to I have to explain you cant mount something that isnt there |
| 14:00.44 | dagbrown | nvz: If you have access to a Windows box, you can try it. The last time I needed to do that, I went to an Internet cafe. :) |
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| 14:01.07 | dagbrown | jm_: You have someone who's trying to make a bootable ISO from scratch? |
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| 14:01.31 | jm_ | dagbrown: not sure what you mean, I was refering to harshal who asked about it |
| 14:01.37 | xoz | nvz: which means your ipod becomes a *history* |
| 14:01.37 | dagbrown | Oh |
| 14:01.45 | nvz | xoz: he insists its not true, but I know for a fact the thing at least needs to be on if not in storage mode to actually be mounted. like any digital camera, phone..etc it hast to kick into USB Mass storage mode to be mounted. |
| 14:01.58 | hatake_kakashi | yes |
| 14:02.00 | nvz | xoz: it normally does this automatically when the software on the device is operational |
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| 14:02.09 | YogSothoth | Hi |
| 14:02.20 | nvz | xoz: they added a hardware key combo to enable it when the software craps out.. and its throwing me an error |
| 14:02.23 | dagbrown | nvz: Every iPod I've plugged into a Linux box has manifested as a storage device. |
| 14:02.30 | YogSothoth | Should I follow Filesystem Hierarchy Standard about installing apps in /opt and their configuration files in /etc/opt? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard And what about /srv? Should I move all my /var/www to /srv? |
| 14:02.44 | nvz | dagbrown: thats because they software worked and it booted. |
| 14:02.52 | xoz | nvz: my ipod in linux behaves like a usb harddisk. |
| 14:02.53 | nvz | dagbrown: you just had a corrupted db or something minor |
| 14:03.02 | nvz | xoz: thats because its working. |
| 14:03.03 | hatake_kakashi | dagbrown: though it was said that with amaroK, you can put in new songs, etc. I have yet to try that function, but in the meantime, I'm waiting for hardware upgrades |
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| 14:03.11 | dagbrown | nvz: No, even a hopelessly corrupted iPod turned up as USB-storage. That's its failure mode. |
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| 14:03.33 | xoz | nvz: what about repartition it.... or open it using cfdisk or fdisk? |
| 14:03.33 | dagbrown | And believe me, I *have* hopelessly corrupted my iPod. |
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| 14:04.02 | datr1x | has anyone got any spare time they want to use to help me get the nvidia drivers working on my new debian install I am a N00b |
| 14:04.09 | nvz | dagbrown: for example the Sony Mavica camera I setup yesturday has PictBridge, PTP, and Normal modes.. normal is the USB Mass Storage mode.. when its turned on its not a mass storage device, only when the usb cable plugs in does it become a storage device, and only when Normal mode is selected will it register as so to a pc |
| 14:04.24 | dagbrown | nvz: Yes I realize all that :) |
| 14:04.27 | nvz | dagbrown: normal health digital devices switch to this mode automatically |
| 14:04.39 | nvz | dagbrown: this device is not healthy, its 100% non-operational |
| 14:04.44 | chealer | datr1x: yes, we were waiting for you and will try guessing which kind of help you want |
| 14:04.54 | dagbrown | nvz: This is where I say "take it to an Apple store, see what they make of it" |
| 14:04.55 | xoz | nvz: first gen of ipod? |
| 14:05.01 | datr1x | ah OK |
| 14:05.05 | nvz | dagbrown: the only way to put it into storage mode is manually and its failing.. I suspect because the drive is dead |
| 14:05.15 | nvz | xoz: iPod mini 4g |
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| 14:05.21 | hatake_kakashi | I've got iPod 5th Gen (iPod with video) here :) |
| 14:05.27 | tijn | vaca |
| 14:05.27 | chealer | datr1x: I'm cleaning my crystall ball before starting |
| 14:05.37 | dagbrown | nvz: Definitely take it to your local Apple retailer. If the hard drive is b0rk, they can likely fix it up (possibly for a fee) |
| 14:05.42 | xoz | nvz: made in china stuffs... better return it back to apple. |
| 14:06.15 | nvz | its not mine, it was given to me by a friend.. he's since got a sirrius and is happy.. he just wants rid of it, and if I sell it he wants half |
| 14:06.19 | hatake_kakashi | nvz: do you hear hard drive spinning up sounds and reading for a bit before slowing down and the screen restarts again? |
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| 14:06.44 | xoz | dagbrown: where are you in phil? |
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| 14:06.49 | nvz | now if I could pay say $50 to fix it and then be able to sell it for $200 and make $50 profit that might be worth it |
| 14:06.50 | dagbrown | nvz: And like hatake_kakashi says, plug it in with the thing held right up to your ear. |
| 14:07.01 | dagbrown | xoz: Right now? Tokyo. I was in Manila when my iPod broke though. |
| 14:07.24 | nvz | hatake_kakashi: no it shuts off after the frowning ipod if you dont try put it into disk mode, in which case it gives another error before shutting down. |
| 14:07.36 | xoz | kamusta kabayan :) |
| 14:07.36 | dagbrown | xoz: Are you in .ph now? |
| 14:07.39 | hatake_kakashi | dagbrown: yeah I had that happen to me, it was hardware fault, lucky for me, even though it was a gift, I could get it claimed as D.O.A and a free replacement |
| 14:07.41 | datr1x | when i try to install the nvidia driver from root in a terminal I get the meaages that it cant find the pre configered kernal |
| 14:07.49 | nvz | hatake_kakashi: the sounds it makes sound like a PC hd would when the actulator arm is broken.. it sounds nasty |
| 14:07.50 | hatake_kakashi | nvz: odd |
| 14:08.17 | passerby | hello, could you please give me a link of a good opensource XML parser/writer ? |
| 14:08.22 | xoz | dagbrown: still in tokyo until march. |
| 14:08.32 | dagbrown | nvz: Okay, you take you iPod to your nearest handy Apple retailer and tell 'em it's broken. |
| 14:08.39 | jm_ | pass: there are many, I have used expat |
| 14:08.39 | dagbrown | xoz: Oh! Well hi! |
| 14:08.43 | jm_ | passerby ^^^^ |
| 14:08.47 | dagbrown | xoz is my neighbor :) |
| 14:08.50 | nvz | hatake_kakashi: its actually more like a nanananan-click-nananana-click-nanananana-click kinda thing |
| 14:09.08 | hatake_kakashi | nvz: ahh that could be hard disk at fault |
| 14:09.14 | dagbrown | xoz: Are you from the Philippines? |
| 14:09.15 | nvz | hatake_kakashi: sounds like something seeking back and forth over the same track/cyl and clicking |
| 14:09.22 | Vlad | how can I limit a user only to a certain directory that he cannot leave (but enter subdirectories of it)? |
| 14:09.24 | passerby | jm_ ?? |
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| 14:09.28 | xoz | dagbrown: pure blooded filipino :) |
| 14:09.33 | hatake_kakashi | nvz: could even be unreadable disk |
| 14:09.37 | jm_ | passerby: read up |
| 14:09.38 | dagbrown | xoz: I bet you know Sacha then! |
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| 14:10.07 | xoz | dagbrown: not personally. |
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| 14:10.18 | dagbrown | xoz: Oh. Well I *do* know her personally. :) |
| 14:10.25 | passerby | jm_ please elaborate |
| 14:10.36 | jm_ | passerby: read two lines above that line |
| 14:10.37 | datr1x | I get the message no precompiled kernel found |
| 14:11.09 | jetscreamer | passerby: expat is one. there are others. |
| 14:11.27 | nvz | hatake_kakashi: its some kind of fatal disk error, cause I thought I was gonna pop it into disk mode with that secret key combo and just restore the software and that would be it. |
| 14:11.29 | chealer | datr1x: are you trying to use nvidia.com's installer? |
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| 14:11.38 | passerby | jm_ sorry, the channel runs so fast ;) |
| 14:11.44 | nvz | hatake_kakashi: when I try to go to disk mode, it just gives me a folder with a /!\ |
| 14:11.49 | jetscreamer | datr1x: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 14:11.51 | jm_ | passerby: jetscreamer gave you very similar answer |
| 14:11.51 | passerby | jetscreamer : what's the most usable one? |
| 14:11.54 | xoz | dagbrown: what was her lastname? |
| 14:11.55 | jetscreamer | or linux-headers |
| 14:11.58 | dagbrown | nvz: Your iPod is bork! Go bug Apple! |
| 14:12.00 | dagbrown | xoz: Chua |
| 14:12.06 | jetscreamer | passerby: i just repeated what jm_ said |
| 14:12.08 | hatake_kakashi | nvz: you mean the restart function? |
| 14:12.09 | nvz | dagbrown: I dont have an ipod |
| 14:12.29 | dagbrown | nvz: The iPod you keep talking about is bork then. |
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| 14:12.41 | jetscreamer | passerby: if jm_ said he uses something i'd think it was probably a good one |
| 14:12.46 | nvz | hatake_kakashi: no there is a key combo that they say puts it into disk mode to restore it if it will not boot. |
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| 14:12.54 | passerby | jm_ , jetscreamer, ok thank you for the help :) |
| 14:13.03 | hatake_kakashi | nvz: ahh I don't know about that key combo yet |
| 14:13.22 | nvz | hatake_kakashi: its different on each model.. cause the doc I looked up was for the ipod mini, and the key combo was wrong I had to play around to figure out what it actually was on this one |
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| 14:13.46 | dagbrown | nvz: Is it a generation 2 or generation 3 Mini? |
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| 14:13.55 | jetscreamer | datr1x: after you get the headers, use the --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` directive.... note the ` not ' and the lack of a trailing / |
| 14:13.56 | nvz | hatake_kakashi: you have to turn it off, place it on hold for a few seconds .. its some elaborate mantra |
| 14:14.06 | hatake_kakashi | nvz: hmm |
| 14:14.15 | jetscreamer | datr1x: substitute linux-headers if needed |
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| 14:14.44 | jetscreamer | datr1x: err... make that... |
| 14:14.58 | jetscreamer | datr1x: after you get the headers, use the --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/include |
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| 14:15.09 | jetscreamer | no trailing slash / |
| 14:15.15 | nvz | dagbrown: no idea its a Silver iPod Mini 4GB M9800LL/A |
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| 14:15.32 | nvz | dagbrown: thats the part number |
| 14:15.36 | jetscreamer | dcc is broken.... |
| 14:15.39 | jetscreamer | yeah that's it |
| 14:15.40 | datr1x | <jetscreamer> can I open a chat to you |
| 14:15.52 | xoz | nvz: within warranty? |
| 14:15.58 | jetscreamer | 'doesn't work'(tm) |
| 14:16.11 | nvz | xoz: no he would have just taken it back if it was.. he still has all the reciepts and everything in the box |
| 14:16.24 | nvz | xoz: I dont think it really ever had a warrenty |
| 14:16.36 | jetscreamer | datr1x: that is for the nvidia-installer, not the debian -glx version btw |
| 14:16.37 | hatake_kakashi | by standard it has 1yr warrant |
| 14:16.39 | angeldodger | chealer: Some success w/ at76c503. The -source and atmel-firmware packages are now installed. Now looking at docs for how to install / configure |
| 14:16.40 | nvz | xoz: he had a rio or something and it broke, and he got this on the rio's warrenty |
| 14:16.44 | hatake_kakashi | s/warrant/warranty |
| 14:16.50 | xoz | nvz: 1 year |
| 14:16.56 | nvz | hatake_kakashi: it was a tradein for another warrenty item |
| 14:17.19 | chealer | angeldodger: at76c503-source should include those. you basically use module-assistant |
| 14:17.28 | jetscreamer | datr1x: see also #nvidia |
| 14:17.39 | hatake_kakashi | nvz: what do you mean? it has already been traded in before? |
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| 14:17.53 | nvz | reciept date of the echange for the rio credi is 07/24/05 |
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| 14:18.13 | xoz | nvz: still within 1 year |
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| 14:18.21 | nvz | hatake_kakashi: he bought a rio or something at bestbuy and it broke and when you take them a broken mp3 player they give you store credit, and by that time you can get a better mp3 player for the same or less money |
| 14:18.43 | nvz | xoz: you you are saying reguardless of how/where it was bought, the mfg should still warrenty this item? |
| 14:18.57 | jm_ | worth trying |
| 14:19.03 | xoz | nvz: try!!! |
| 14:19.18 | xoz | nvz: and fight for consumer's right! :) |
| 14:19.26 | hatake_kakashi | nvz: ahh I see, but how long ago was the trade-in? |
| 14:19.31 | dagbrown | nvz: I agree with xoz. :) |
| 14:19.59 | nvz | hatake_kakashi: that is the tradein date.. I dont have the original reciept just the reciept from the purchace of the iPod on store credit |
| 14:20.15 | dagbrown | nvz: How recent was it? |
| 14:20.24 | nvz | dagbrown: 7/24/05 |
| 14:20.35 | dagbrown | That's within the last year |
| 14:20.39 | nvz | yep |
| 14:20.48 | dagbrown | Then I say go for it. |
| 14:20.52 | nvz | the reciept looks like its 40 years old you can barely read it |
| 14:21.05 | fireba11 | nvz: then jsut go there and hit 'em untill you get it replaced or fixed :-) |
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| 14:21.08 | nvz | I dont know how it got so worn when its in the box |
| 14:21.09 | dagbrown | Who cares? If there's a date on it, they should be able to do something |
| 14:21.28 | dagbrown | It probably looks like it's a thousand years old because it's printed on cheap thermal paper. |
| 14:21.32 | nvz | I dont think bestbuy cares.. apple might do something about it though |
| 14:21.53 | dagbrown | If you have an Apple store nearby, go there. |
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| 14:22.03 | hatake_kakashi | nvz: there's still chance imo |
| 14:22.07 | nvz | might as well look into it though since its not doing us anygood in this condition. |
| 14:22.23 | dagbrown | xoz: If you're in Tokyo, we should get together for a beer or something. |
| 14:22.30 | nvz | no matter what I do with it other than nothing I am making money its not mine so I dont care what happens to it |
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| 14:22.39 | Saronne | hello |
| 14:22.49 | xoz | dagbrown: sure. how long have you been here? |
| 14:22.57 | dagbrown | xoz: A year and a bit now. |
| 14:23.02 | nvz | but if I can get it fixed, we can get a lot more money out of it.. cause I dont think he wants it really even if its fixed. |
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| 14:23.23 | nvz | if he wants it back fixed, and I can get it fixed for free, I am charging him for the repair for not doing it himself :P |
| 14:23.35 | xoz | dagbrown: student? or work? |
| 14:23.47 | dagbrown | xoz: Working, as long as they let me. |
| 14:23.47 | Saronne | I have two nics, a 3c905c txm and a marvell copper gigabit, they both can offload ip tcp and udp checksumming. Given that they're connected to a 100Mbit switch what would be the best choice? |
| 14:23.58 | cbr | wtf is this.. |
| 14:24.11 | cbr | i type $ wget -<TAB> and get this: |
| 14:24.16 | cbr | sed: -e avaldis #2, sümbol 33: Invalid range end |
| 14:24.33 | dagbrown | Saronne: Not much to choose between them, considering what they're plugged into. |
| 14:24.34 | xoz | nvz: does it support firewire? if yes, can you try using firewire instead of usb. |
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| 14:24.58 | dagbrown | The iPod Minis support Firewire as far as I know. |
| 14:25.02 | nvz | xoz: I have no idea.. has that propriatary mnultiport IO on the bottom. the cable I have that pluggs in is usb |
| 14:25.09 | dagbrown | Nanos don't, and I'm not sure about Videos. |
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| 14:25.41 | nvz | xoz: I am gonna call bestbuy see what they say and maybe look up a number for apple and call them too. |
| 14:25.47 | xoz | nvz: yep. it is firewire... you may try connecting using mac thru firewire and find out if the fire in the wire can revive it. |
| 14:25.56 | Saronne | dagbrown, ok I mean, one is 100Mbit the other is 1000Mbit but that's not the deciding factor, I was asking what nic is best supported by linux |
| 14:25.57 | dagbrown | nvz: I recommend going to Apple really. |
| 14:26.00 | angeldodger | chealer: do I have to use module-assistant? It's not installed by default I take it? |
| 14:26.06 | xoz | dagbrown: you like it here in tokyo? |
| 14:26.16 | jetscreamer | Saronne: |
| 14:26.19 | jetscreamer | !scyld |
| 14:26.19 | dpkg | from memory, scyld is see http://scyld.com/network.html for current NIC drivers for VIA Rhine, Tulip, NE2000, RealTek rtl8139, 3Com Vortex, etc, etc... If you have problems getting your NIC to work under Linux this would probably be one of the first places to check out (the latest versions of these drivers are often _not_ found in the latest Linux kernels)!, for build/usage instructions also see "building scyld". see "using scyld". |
| 14:26.26 | dagbrown | xoz: Actually to be honest, I'd really rather be in Manila. |
| 14:26.33 | nvz | dagbrown: afaik there is no apple to goto anywhere closer than california on the other side of the country. I just need a phone number |
| 14:26.37 | hatake_kakashi | xoz: doubt that will help imo, if it has been formatted to accept windows, it will be that, and if you change it to mac it will have to reformat etc to mac |
| 14:26.41 | chealer | angeldodger: you rarely *have* to use it, as it's an assistant. it's not installed by default |
| 14:26.54 | xoz | dagbrown: me too. that's why im leaving japan. |
| 14:26.57 | Saronne | jetscreamer yes, but if I put a rtk8139 for example, the CPU would suffer :) |
| 14:26.58 | dagbrown | nvz: You're in the USA? |
| 14:27.22 | jetscreamer | Saronne: that guys writes the drivers, so there ya go |
| 14:27.30 | jetscreamer | as far as support |
| 14:27.32 | dagbrown | xoz: 1-800-MY-APPLE would seem to be the number to call. |
| 14:27.34 | xoz | hatake_kakashi: no more. my ipod can be used both in windows and mac without reformat... it has been solved by apple |
| 14:27.42 | dagbrown | xoz: I don't really blame you :) |
| 14:27.53 | angeldodger | chealer: Is it easier than the alternative? Should I just be able to modprobe the device now? |
| 14:27.57 | Saronne | ah ok I have to ask him |
| 14:27.59 | hatake_kakashi | xoz: odd, what does it show under format of the about section? for iPod that is |
| 14:28.00 | xoz | dagbrown: 5 years in japan is ENOUGH :) |
| 14:28.05 | dagbrown | Tokyo is good if you want to make a boatload of money, not so great to live there. |
| 14:28.09 | jetscreamer | Saronne: no i meant as to if it's supported |
| 14:28.21 | chealer | angeldodger: it *should* be easier :) well did you compile the module yet? |
| 14:28.29 | jetscreamer | google might help |
| 14:28.32 | Saronne | they're both supported, but I heard rumors the Marvell card could have problems |
| 14:28.38 | jetscreamer | well |
| 14:28.43 | jetscreamer | check the site |
| 14:28.45 | Saronne | I think I should try |
| 14:28.51 | dagbrown | xoz: You've been 5 years in Tokyo? I admire your endurance. |
| 14:28.51 | nvz | I dont think bestbuy cares.. their policy is 30 days return.. doesnt cover broken probably and its bast 30days.. there is not warrenty warrenty was on the rio and didnt transfer I would think I would think the mfg would offer better protection |
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| 14:29.03 | jetscreamer | ~rma |
| 14:29.05 | apt | well, rma is Return Materials Authorisation, or the process you go through when you want to return a dead part to a manufacturer in exchange for a new one |
| 14:29.05 | xoz | hatake_kakashi: i didn't check. my jap friend just informed me and i tried... the first time i tried in mac (os 10.3), it will format it... but with 10.4, it works. |
| 14:29.20 | xoz | dagbrown: 2 years here and 3 years near nagoya. |
| 14:29.29 | xoz | dagbrown: nagoya is better :) |
| 14:29.40 | dagbrown | xoz: That's what everyone who's been there says. |
| 14:29.52 | hatake_kakashi | xoz: hmm ok.. the sort of mac computers I have access to only has 10.3 installed, and I personally don't own a mac -_- I was told that if I were to make it mac compatible, it would be reformatting it, etc |
| 14:29.57 | Saronne | (that page looks outdated...) |
| 14:30.36 | dagbrown | hatake_kakashi: Macs have no problem dealing with VFAT-format iPods, but they won't upgrade the firmware in them |
| 14:30.41 | xoz | hatake_kakashi: ahhh. tiger os solved it. mine i think is using windows format because i used it mostly in windows... until i got a mac |
| 14:30.48 | hatake_kakashi | dagbrown: I see |
| 14:30.58 | Saronne | ok thanks anyway, bye! |
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| 14:31.13 | hatake_kakashi | xoz: ahh ok, cool, I didn't know that though, but now I know I might try it next time :) thanks |
| 14:31.17 | dagbrown | hatake_kakashi: And the only reason they won't upgrade the firmware in Windows-formatted iPods is corporate policy. |
| 14:31.40 | hatake_kakashi | dagbrown: funny that |
| 14:31.46 | dagbrown | hatake_kakashi: Yeah :) |
| 14:32.11 | hatake_kakashi | so upgrade version of iPod from Apple will still support Windows compatibility just a question of curiousity? |
| 14:32.19 | dagbrown | hatake_kakashi: Oh yes. Definitely. |
| 14:32.37 | dagbrown | The trick is this: the first time you plug an iPod into a computer determines its format. |
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| 14:33.09 | hatake_kakashi | dagbrown: hmm, might try that 'loophole' next time :) I hardly use windows anyway, most of the time its plugged into my home box, aka linux box :) |
| 14:33.10 | dagbrown | If you plug it into a Windows machine first, it becomes Windows-compatible, which works with everything. |
| 14:33.20 | dagbrown | If you plug it into a Mac first, then it becomes Mac-only. |
| 14:33.28 | nakeee | I updated to the latest etch and gdm stoped working saying the greeter keeps crashing, any idea why or how I can check it? |
| 14:33.35 | angeldodger | chealer: Compile the module?? Now I'm confused again! I thought I'd just installed binaries, hence no need to compile! |
| 14:33.39 | hatake_kakashi | dagbrown: yeah and that's the annoying part |
| 14:33.45 | dagbrown | And as far as an iPod is concerned, a Linux box is Windows. |
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| 14:33.51 | hatake_kakashi | blah |
| 14:34.51 | hatake_kakashi | well, I'm going to find ways around these things :) |
| 14:35.06 | chealer | angeldodger: hehe, I told you it was a confusing situation :) at76c503-source is a Debian "binary" package (in contrast with a Debian source package) which contains the source needed to compile a kernel module |
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| 14:36.27 | angeldodger | chealer: :D So what do I do with it?!? More googling... |
| 14:36.46 | chealer | angeldodger: try # m-a a-i at76c503 |
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| 14:37.09 | nvz | well best buy isnt open yet at 9:30am, and apple store only cares about sales inquiries.. I will have to wait awhile and call bestbuy when they are open then call apple tech support |
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| 14:37.46 | dagbrown | nvz: I'm pretty sure you can get the iPod fixed. Almost certainly gratis, but even if not so, you can probably manage it at a profit. |
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| 14:38.19 | angeldodger | chealer: m-a a-i? (file not found) |
| 14:38.30 | Prudhvi | hi, i get this Error message when i run Firefox on Debian Etch |
| 14:38.32 | Prudhvi | /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2: undefined symbol: FT_GlyphSlot_Embolden |
| 14:38.41 | dagbrown | Prudhvi: Yeah, known issue :) |
| 14:38.50 | chealer | angeldodger: m-a is an alias for module-assistant, which needs to be installed |
| 14:38.56 | Prudhvi | dagbrown, any workaround |
| 14:38.58 | chealer | Prudhvi: upgrade your system |
| 14:39.10 | dagbrown | chealer: Actually no, quite the opposite |
| 14:39.15 | dagbrown | *downgrade* your system |
| 14:39.22 | angeldodger | chealer: I knew that! :) |
| 14:39.36 | dagbrown | It's a recent thing in libXft where they removed this function that EVERYONE depends on. |
| 14:39.39 | Prudhvi | dagbrown, i just upgraded my system |
| 14:39.48 | dagbrown | Prudhvi: Yes, I know. It happened to me too :) |
| 14:39.59 | jm_ | serves you right ;) |
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| 14:40.19 | Prudhvi | dagbrown, are there any specific packages taht i need to downgrade ? |
| 14:40.27 | dagbrown | Prudhvi: Go to http://snapshot.debian.net/ and get a libxft package from January. |
| 14:40.58 | possie | i'm trying to create a 4 TB partition, and i'm using ext3, this should work right? |
| 14:41.04 | dagbrown | Well, specifically, libxft2. |
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| 14:41.22 | Prudhvi | dagbrown, strangely Firefox, Mozilla and Epithany get Crashed |
| 14:41.23 | jm_ | Linux large file system support page lists the limits for various file systems |
| 14:41.24 | dagbrown | possie: Good luck to you, and where in the Hell did you manage to find a disk that big? |
| 14:41.44 | dagbrown | Prudhvi: Yes, and all of GNOME and KDE. It's a pretty wide-ranging brokenness. |
| 14:41.50 | possie | dagbrown: just a raid device |
| 14:42.08 | dagbrown | possie: That's a lot of pr0n! Try it and see. |
| 14:42.26 | possie | dagbrown: strange thing is that fdisk does see the big disk, only i can't select to use the last cylinder |
| 14:42.43 | dagbrown | possie: Did you try parted or cfdisk? |
| 14:42.47 | Prudhvi | dagbrown, should i download libxft or libxft2 ? |
| 14:42.50 | possie | dagbrown: last cylinder on my device is 581954 but i can only select the cylinder 47256 as the last one |
| 14:43.02 | dagbrown | Prudhvi: Er (think think) I'm gonna say libxft2. |
| 14:43.20 | possie | dagbrown: that's a good tip ;-) |
| 14:43.21 | Prudhvi | ok |
| 14:43.26 | dagbrown | Grab the one from 01/26 because it's the 02/07 one that broke stuff. |
| 14:43.41 | possie | dagbrown: maybe fdisk doesn't understand this big disk |
| 14:44.01 | dagbrown | Prudhvi: Basically what you're waiting for is the Debian gnomes to recompile everything with the new libXft. Until then, use the old one. |
| 14:44.47 | dagbrown | possie: That's not outside the realm of possibility. |
| 14:45.23 | Prudhvi | dagbrown, aint there a .deb package for libxft2 ? |
| 14:45.39 | dagbrown | Prudhvi: That's why I pointed you at http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 14:45.58 | dannyp | or maybe fdisk understands the disk, but nobody understands fdisk. Or maybe fdisk understands everyone, but chooses to pretend not to understand the desk |
| 14:46.01 | dannyp | it's a clever little bastard |
| 14:46.06 | Prudhvi | dagbrown, i must accept i dont know how to install a sourcepackage |
| 14:46.08 | Prudhvi | :( |
| 14:46.24 | dagbrown | Prudhvi: You don't have to, snapshot.debian.net provides old binary packages. |
| 14:46.39 | fireba11 | dannyp: lol |
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| 14:46.51 | dagbrown | danny: It's also subtle, and quick to anger. |
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| 14:47.12 | dannyp | look, I'm just saying, objects in mirror are closer than they appear |
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| 14:47.31 | dannyp | so back off |
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| 14:49.29 | fireba11 | ^^ |
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| 14:50.01 | possie | dagbrown: hmmm looks like parted also create a 2tb lun instead of 4tb |
| 14:50.16 | Prudhvi | dagbrown, oops, i installed the Jan Snapshot.But, the Problem Persists |
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| 14:50.31 | dagbrown | Prudhvi: Using dpkg -i and all? |
| 14:50.32 | disposable | i've upgraded my etch and suddenly when i long into kde3.5, Xconsole says 'could not load KDEinit. check your installation.' i click okay and everything works. even kdeinit is running. restarting xserver didn't help. anyone else with the same problem? |
| 14:50.47 | dagbrown | disposable: You have the same problem as Prudhvi. |
| 14:50.51 | chealer | disposable: upgrade your system |
| 14:51.02 | disposable | chealer: upgraded 10 minutes ago |
| 14:51.05 | dagbrown | chealer's advice can be ignored just as much :P |
| 14:51.07 | Prudhvi | dagbrown, yes dpkg -i |
| 14:51.17 | chealer | disposable: which libfreetype6 do you have? |
| 14:51.25 | disposable | chealer: lemme check |
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| 14:51.28 | dagbrown | Prudhvi: Keep trying older ones? I installed one I grabbed at random and it worked. |
| 14:51.29 | possie | ext3 should be able to format 32TB right? |
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| 14:51.45 | Prudhvi | dagbrown, Oh! ok. i`ll get back to you |
| 14:52.06 | disposable | chealer: 2.1.7-2.4 |
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| 14:52.21 | chealer | disposable: etch's freetype is 2.1.10-1 |
| 14:52.21 | dagbrown | disposable: your problem is with libXft2, which deleted a function that everything uses. Go to http://snapshot.debian.net/ and grab older versions of libXft until you find one that works. |
| 14:52.39 | fireba11 | possie: ext2 is limited to 2 TB if using 1kb blocks |
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| 14:52.58 | dagbrown | Also: Organize a lynch mob to set fire to xorg headquarters for breaking libXft2 like that. |
| 14:53.11 | dagbrown | Failing that, install Genpoo and happy compiling! |
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| 14:53.22 | disposable | chealer: i just did update and nothing new appeared. |
| 14:53.30 | disposable | dagbrown: tnx |
| 14:53.35 | disposable | dagbrown: will try |
| 14:53.42 | fireba11 | possie: and since ext3 is a enhanced ext2 that may apply there too .. make bigger blocks and it should work |
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| 14:53.53 | moprilo | i'm sharing a 1mb broadband on my office.., with about 30 pc's. I have a good 3com switch and a good cisco2811 adsl router. But I'm having trouble with idiots using emule and things like that, so i need to put a proxy. I was thinking of debian box. What requirements do you guys recommend? |
| 14:53.57 | chealer | disposable: well, your mirror is a few hours out of date. get libfreetype6 2.1.10-1 anyway |
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| 14:54.11 | pipeline | moprilo: As much RAM as you can afford. |
| 14:54.19 | disposable | chealer: you reckon it will solve my problem? |
| 14:54.19 | Mepisuser1 | winamp for linux.... is there such a thing... not XMMS |
| 14:54.27 | resiak | No |
| 14:54.28 | pipeline | Mepisuser1: Winamp 3 was ported to linux. |
| 14:54.37 | pipeline | Mepisuser1: The project is long dead, though, and it's not packaged for debian. |
| 14:54.37 | TinoW | pipeline: *yuck* |
| 14:54.39 | resiak | pipeline: Bits of it were, not all, I thought? |
| 14:54.39 | moprilo | jej..but what about cpu? PII 1ghz would do it? |
| 14:54.41 | fireba11 | moprilo: for 1 MBit/s a couple hundred MHz are enough |
| 14:54.45 | chealer | disposable: don't worry, it's not the first time I tell this solution :) |
| 14:54.46 | beardy | Mepisuser1: apt-cache search "player" |
| 14:54.50 | pipeline | Mepisuser1: As "winamp" is a trademark of AOL, it's called "wasabi player" |
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| 14:54.53 | moprilo | ohh ok |
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| 14:55.08 | pipeline | resiak: Eh, I don't know. Winamp 3 was a disaster all around. How would we know if parts were missing if they never worked in the first place? :P |
| 14:55.12 | Mepisuser1 | cool :) wasaabi |
| 14:55.18 | fireba11 | moprilo: got 4 MBit/s and a 600 MHz box as router and it's still bored |
| 14:55.18 | pipeline | Mepisuser1: It's not cool at all. |
| 14:55.21 | pipeline | Mepisuser1: It sucks ass. |
| 14:55.24 | pitillo | moprilo, with 4Mb I have a p166MMX :) |
| 14:55.29 | beardy | Mepisuser1: What's wrong with xmms? |
| 14:55.36 | moprilo | ok.. great |
| 14:55.40 | moprilo | 512 ram? |
| 14:55.42 | moprilo | good? |
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| 14:55.52 | fireba11 | moprilo: already way more than needed |
| 14:55.59 | resiak | pipeline: :-) |
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| 14:56.00 | moprilo | ok.. thanks |
| 14:56.02 | pipeline | fireba11, moprilo : I've used 167 MHz SPARCs as proxies. Just maxed'em out on RAM and they ran like champs. You don't need processing power, just gobs and gobs of memory in order to cache the filesystem effectively. |
| 14:56.03 | Mepisuser1 | the font of the menus are big as my hand and fill the deskto |
| 14:56.18 | Mepisuser1 | 1024x768 |
| 14:56.19 | bkankur | which channel i need to join for embedded debian |
| 14:56.20 | beardy | Mepisuser1: How often do you access the menus? |
| 14:56.21 | bkankur | pls |
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| 14:56.32 | pipeline | moprilo: Heh, I didn't notice the part where you only have 30 users. 512 will be plenty. Heck, it's overkill. |
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| 14:56.53 | Eulex | Mepisuser1, set your gtk1 font properly. |
| 14:57.06 | Mepisuser1 | yes... but other things like shoutcast tv Radio... other shit... |
| 14:57.08 | mcm | Mepisuser1, you can change the font in the options. but there are a few others like beep-media-player and beep-media-player2 or bmp2 |
| 14:58.00 | Mepisuser1 | yes i've heard of beep media player .. i will try that one |
| 14:58.44 | orlowsks | any opinions on dspam? |
| 14:58.46 | Mepisuser1 | it is hard to move from fuckin windows |
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| 14:58.53 | disposable | chealer: libfreetype6 2.1.10-1 is in unstable. i don't like unstable. look what testing did to me o.O |
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| 14:59.18 | chealer | libfreetype6 is both in testing and unstable |
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| 14:59.40 | lexan | Hello. I have a fresh install and i was wondering if any knew why i can only access websites by there ip and not there domain names? |
| 14:59.57 | fireba11 | lexan: you didn't set a DNS server |
| 15:00.03 | lexan | yeah |
| 15:00.14 | tralala | lexan: man resolv.conf |
| 15:00.19 | Mepisuser1 | do you know how to configure 5.1 sound for creative with alsa... |
| 15:00.22 | Prudhvi | dagbrown, Still no use |
| 15:00.28 | Prudhvi | i tried older once |
| 15:00.32 | Prudhvi | But no use |
| 15:00.34 | possie | fireba11: mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sda1 8k like that? |
| 15:00.35 | chealer | disposable: sorry, libfreetype6 2.1.10-1 is both in testing and unstable |
| 15:01.00 | fireba11 | possie: i never tried that .. i just read up on the limitations of ext2 and thus ext3 |
| 15:01.32 | fireba11 | with 8kb blocks you can adress 16 TB .. 2 KB blocks will do |
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| 15:02.41 | fireba11 | er . .wrong .. according to wikipedia 2 TB on 1kb blocks, 8TB with 2kb, 16TB with 4kb and 32TB with 8kb blocks |
| 15:03.14 | disposable | dagbrown: will the stable libxft2 work with testing? or will i have to --force-all it ? |
| 15:03.45 | disposable | chealer: what mirror do you use? i've even checked pdo.debian.net |
| 15:03.54 | dagbrown | disposable: It worked by itself for me. |
| 15:04.05 | dagbrown | I can only speak for myself though :) |
| 15:04.06 | disposable | dagbrown: you have good aura :) |
| 15:04.24 | possie | fireba11: ah thanks, which wiki page are you looking at? |
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| 15:04.46 | nvz | dagbrown: yeah well considering its in my posession with all packaging and documentation and other than the possibly broken microdrive its in good condition I am pretty sure I am going to profit.. cause I didnt pay anything for it |
| 15:04.48 | fireba11 | possie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext2 |
| 15:04.49 | Prudhvi | disposable, have you installed the Old Packages from snapshot.debian.org |
| 15:05.00 | angeldodger | chealer: Module-assistant ... build failed! :( Not my day... |
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| 15:05.34 | disposable | Prudhvi: haven't done anything yet. decidint what's less evil to do to my lovely debian |
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| 15:05.57 | Mepisuser1 | anybodi got Live run on linux |
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| 15:06.09 | Mepisuser1 | all 5 channels |
| 15:06.23 | UmNick | live huh |
| 15:06.24 | Prudhvi | disposable, i tried dpkg -i olderpackages but that didnt suffice |
| 15:06.25 | UmNick | i am alive |
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| 15:06.39 | beardy | Mepisuser1: Live what? |
| 15:06.58 | Mepisuser1 | Creative SB Live 5.1 OEM 0220 |
| 15:07.06 | beardy | Mepisuser1: And perhaps it's #mepis you should ask? |
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| 15:07.17 | beardy | Mepisuser1: Yes. |
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| 15:07.19 | Mepisuser1 | no such channel |
| 15:07.32 | erich | What is a good tool to complete missing id3 tags on mp3s and maybe even to get matching album art? |
| 15:07.33 | Mepisuser1 | and still mepis is debian |
| 15:07.41 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.41 | UmNick | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.42 | UmNick | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.42 | thingfish | there are 29 people in #mepis. |
| 15:07.44 | Mepisuser1 | at least looks like |
| 15:07.47 | UmNick | he he |
| 15:07.56 | thingfish | Mepis is not Debian. |
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| 15:07.56 | nvz | erich: there is a kde app for that amarok I think its called |
| 15:08.04 | beardy | !mepis |
| 15:08.04 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 15:08.05 | UmNick | thingfish: you forgot to capitalize NOT |
| 15:08.10 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:08.12 | dagbrown | Mepis is just odd. |
| 15:08.19 | Mepisuser1 | ok x-chat does not work like mIRC |
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| 15:08.38 | UmNick | Mepisuser1: no kidding |
| 15:08.41 | UmNick | he he |
| 15:08.45 | nvz | erich: its pretty sweet does all that and a whole lot more.. manages album covers, fetchs tag info with music brains can compare tastes to other listeners and suggest songs to play next from your library using audio scrobbler |
| 15:08.58 | disposable | Prudhvi: installing that unstable libfreetype6 from pdo.debian.net did solve it. |
| 15:09.02 | disposable | chealer: thank you |
| 15:09.03 | chealer | angeldodger: hum, I can get a look at your log in about 20 minutes when I'll come back if you want, in case it's an easy error. but if it's specific to at76c503, I'll have no clue since since I never used that. other people might try too |
| 15:09.10 | nvz | erich: has on screen display when tracks play with art..etc |
| 15:09.20 | chealer | disposable: no problem. pdo is usually a bit out of date |
| 15:09.51 | disposable | chealer: and so are all british and french mirrors? |
| 15:09.56 | angeldodger | chealer: dh_clean not found |
| 15:10.04 | Mepisuser1 | i did apt-get install gdm with KDE ... works just fine and got the 85 HZ display |
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| 15:10.39 | Mepisuser1 | i just have to find out how to get inside as a root |
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| 15:10.57 | chealer | angeldodger: hum, try installing debhelper, but there's probably a bug if you get that |
| 15:11.35 | chealer | disposable: my faculty's unofficial Debian mirror has the updated package since about 10 hours |
| 15:11.41 | erich | nvz: you mean juk? |
| 15:11.51 | chealer | disposable: in etch, of course |
| 15:11.52 | possie | fireba11: hmmm strange enough it only make my 4tb lun, 560GB when i format it with 2k blocks |
| 15:11.54 | erich | nvz: or amarok itself? |
| 15:11.54 | nvz | erich: no I definatly do not mean juk |
| 15:12.04 | nvz | !info amarok |
| 15:12.11 | dpkg | amarok: (versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.3.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8248 kB, Installed size: 15804 kB |
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| 15:12.21 | disposable | chealer: your faculty renamed unstable to etch |
| 15:12.33 | fireba11 | possie: err .. what ? |
| 15:12.39 | beardy | Mepisuser1: We neither can or will help you if you are not running Debian, and it's not to be mean, it's because we don't know how your distribution works, and that the name of this channel is #debian. "/msg dpkg based on debian" Please ask the channel of your distribution. |
| 15:12.56 | chealer | disposable: nah... |
| 15:13.09 | chealer | !tell disposable about info libfreetype6 etch |
| 15:13.35 | possie | fireba11: yes :-) |
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| 15:13.40 | chealer | I'll be back later |
| 15:13.41 | fireba11 | possie: how did you make 4 TB anyway ? raid 0 ? that sounds way to risky to me ... |
| 15:13.46 | disposable | chealer: you fooled dpkg but you won't fool me! |
| 15:13.55 | possie | fireba11: it's a RAID5 volume |
| 15:13.59 | fireba11 | possie: didn't understand what you tried to tell me, please rephrase |
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| 15:14.08 | chealer | disposable: we're all bots. you have no chance against dpkg |
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| 15:14.12 | fireba11 | possie: okay .. how many disks is that ?? *curious* |
| 15:14.14 | disposable | Prudhvi: did it work? |
| 15:14.20 | disposable | chealer: :) |
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| 15:14.27 | nvz | erich: I used it at our halloween party this year it was pretty slick. if I had more time to play with it before hand it could have been better. you got to get all your tags right with it, then setup audio scrobbler and everything to get the full experience |
| 15:14.28 | elllegao | anyone has installed sarge/sid in hp pavilion notebook ze2401xt |
| 15:14.32 | Prudhvi | disposable, i am trying.Just doing apt-get update now |
| 15:14.41 | beardy | elllegao: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 15:14.44 | Prudhvi | disposable, will let you know when it is done :) |
| 15:14.50 | possie | fireba11: 12 disks |
| 15:14.52 | chealer | I'll be back later |
| 15:15.03 | angeldodger | chealer: Installed debhelper and it built and installed! modprobe time yet, or is there more that I've missed?! |
| 15:15.03 | disposable | Prudhvi: unless you study at the same faculty as chealer, it won't work. download it manually. |
| 15:15.09 | fireba11 | possie: neat :-) |
| 15:15.23 | nvz | erich: it also does lyric lookups and automatically keeps play history and rates them based on what you listen to.. and with audioscrobbler it will compare your ratings to other users and suggest songs based on user with similar music to yours |
| 15:15.26 | beardy | !tell elllegao -about laptop |
| 15:15.37 | cheal | angeldodger: nice, it should be modprobe time |
| 15:15.42 | Prudhvi | disposable, i am using an Italian Mirror |
| 15:15.44 | fireba11 | possie: so you managed to partition it fine, but formatting with 8kb blocks gives you only 560 GB ? |
| 15:15.46 | grumpyboy | hello there ive manged to mess up the permissions my ntfs disks how do I fix it? |
| 15:15.46 | cheal | angeldodger: I'll be back in about 20 minutes |
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| 15:16.04 | possie | fireba11: no i did mkfs.ext3 -b 2048 /dev/sdb1 |
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| 15:16.17 | nvz | erich: its really an all-encompassing music program manual tag editing similar to itunes, or lookup with the musicbrains database to fill it in |
| 15:16.23 | mpoer | when i type 'mail' in a terminal, i have an email account on my computer. how do i pull that email into thunderbird? |
| 15:16.44 | grumpyboy | hello there ive manged to mess up the LINUX permissions my ntfs disks how do I fix it? |
| 15:16.47 | possie | fireba11: starnge thing is, i have another LUN which is only 2tb in size it self, i can partition and format that lun without problems, except this 4tb lun gives me problems |
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| 15:16.55 | daniele83 | hi! is there a way to delete only a part of a file, eg from bit 0 to bit 100 ? |
| 15:17.21 | TinoW | bbl |
| 15:17.29 | xoz | mpoer: point the /var/mail/<user> in the config of thunderbird |
| 15:17.50 | Mepisuser1 | i couldn't install my debian because my cd is internet installation and i dont know the packages to install them manually or the sources.list to add places to get packages.. i will gladly get rid from the nasty KDE and this strange Debian based Mepis |
| 15:17.51 | beardy | daniele83: 'man dd' ? |
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| 15:18.00 | Mepisuser1 | if i knew these things |
| 15:18.05 | fireba11 | possie: i suggest adding -j for the journal anyway ... :-) |
| 15:18.34 | Prudhvi | disposable, apt-get install libfreetype6 worked. I used the Italian Mirror and it just worked |
| 15:18.34 | xoz | mpoer: or setup a pop server locally and point your thunderbird to get local pop server mail |
| 15:18.34 | erich | nvz: thanks. I'll look at it. Right now I'm using easytag to "unify" the tags on some of the files... it has a really great GTK ui for that, but I don't think it can do musicbrainz lookups and such. |
| 15:18.52 | NOthsouth | Hello, Why , why when I try to see any video on browsers, like video.google ... the sound have about 1sec. delay??? |
| 15:19.01 | mpoer | xoz, i thought it was running a mail server.. isn't that how it has email? |
| 15:19.13 | daniele83 | beardy, but "dd" copies from the original file to a new file. I want to delete these bits from the original file (maybe without even reading it!). |
| 15:19.20 | xoz | mpoer: mail server is different from pop server |
| 15:19.38 | xoz | mpoer: smtp vs pop |
| 15:19.39 | Knorrie | The following packages will be REMOVED: base-config hotplug (Etch) <- do I want to do that?? |
| 15:19.48 | Mepisuser1 | if someone can tell me where to read a good debian installation guide i will be very thankfull |
| 15:19.49 | disposable | Prudhvi: lucky you :) |
| 15:19.50 | grumpyboy | how do I regain control of files with root |
| 15:19.55 | stew | daniele83: you mean bytes, not bits, right? in which case "tail -c $(($(wc -c file) - 100)) file>newfile" should do it |
| 15:20.03 | mpoer | thunderbird only gets mail from IMAP or POP, so i should apt-get a pop email server? |
| 15:20.08 | disposable | Prudhvi: what version of gdesklets does your mirror have? |
| 15:20.12 | fireba11 | possie: maybe you should contact mkfs gurus about that .. still i think it should work |
| 15:20.20 | beardy | daniele83: Without reading it? Please explain how you are going to accomplish that, with a screwdriver by scraping the media? Edit it with a suitable editor, hex or binary? |
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| 15:20.20 | xoz | mpoer: any pop server |
| 15:20.20 | Prudhvi | disposable, just a sec |
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| 15:20.32 | nvz | erich: my library isnt really all that big, but even with a thousand or more tracks if you didnt rip em all online with like cddb lookup or something you will play hell tagging them after the fact in any case. cause even with musicbrains you have to goto each on and hit the musicbrains lookup button and wait for it to post to a website and get a response then try and choose a valid match.. and say for someone like AC/DC they had the same songs |
| 15:20.36 | mpoer | k, sounds easy enough. thanks for the help :) |
| 15:20.44 | xoz | mpoer: apt-cache search pop server |
| 15:20.57 | mpoer | that was my next move ;) |
| 15:21.12 | nvz | erich: I wish they would have anticipated this shit and just put all that info on the fucking cds years ago :P |
| 15:21.23 | mpoer | oh lord... i have options now... |
| 15:21.31 | Prudhvi | disposable, version 0.35.3 |
| 15:21.34 | erich | nvz: yeah, but I need to clean up my mp3s anyway. Some are likely even truncated at the end thanks to a reiserfs which died... |
| 15:21.39 | mpoer | any suggestions? |
| 15:21.55 | xoz | mpoer: qpopper is small and simple |
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| 15:22.13 | mpoer | apt-getting now :) |
| 15:22.16 | nvz | erich: ah, were your tags corrupted? or did you just have ones without tags.missing info to begin with? |
| 15:23.03 | erich | nvz: no, but I've noticed truncated songs a couple of times in my random playlist... :-( |
| 15:23.25 | disposable | Prudhvi: tnx |
| 15:23.30 | nvz | if you dont learn something new at least every day you had better check your pulse and then try opening your eyes and paying attention once in awhile |
| 15:23.33 | daniele83 | stew, beardy: I must not need to give a "mv" command to obtain the truncated file. The method you explained needs me to remove the big file and then mv to it the new file. |
| 15:23.42 | fireba11 | possie: you verified that the partition is created as you wanted it ? |
| 15:23.54 | erich | nvz: which made me remember that they were on a broken reiserfs (I'll never use reiser again), and it has this "feature" of storing incompletely filled sectors at the end within the directory nodes or so. |
| 15:23.55 | beardy | daniele83: Neither of use mentioned mv. |
| 15:24.04 | NOthsouth | Am I the only one who have a delay when I waching stream movies? |
| 15:24.05 | beardy | s/use/us/ |
| 15:24.14 | possie | fireba11: i'm seeing something strange, when i create a 2tb partition on the 4tb lun, in parted, then parted see's a 2tb partition indeed |
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| 15:24.38 | neuralnoise | hi |
| 15:24.40 | mpoer | awesome :) it works prefectly now. thanks so much, xoz |
| 15:24.47 | beardy | daniele83: What are you doing anyway? |
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| 15:24.52 | possie | fireba11: but when i make it larger then 2 tb, it give some strange number , then it starts with 0 mb again |
| 15:25.06 | possie | fireba11: so when i createa 2,5tb lun it shows 500mb partition in parted |
| 15:25.20 | neuralnoise | could someone help me to configure a CMS under Sarge? |
| 15:25.26 | nvz | erich: yeah that fs is designed to kind of scavenge for unused portions of nodes/clusters of data and trying to cram things that dont belong together into the same hole just because they can both fit |
| 15:25.35 | xoz | possie: parted can show me the partition formatted in mac... but cfdisk and fdisk show only one big free space. parted has better *hack* in disk mgt. |
| 15:25.38 | beardy | daniele83: Edit it then. |
| 15:25.41 | fireba11 | possie: so parted does modulo 2 GB ^^ .. looks like a but or limitation there .. try another partitioner maybe ? |
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| 15:26.13 | xoz | possie: filesystem limit? |
| 15:26.40 | fireba11 | xoz no ext2 can do 32 TB if blocks are big enough |
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| 15:27.19 | nvz | erich: its suppose to prevent you from wasting disk space when storing a large number of small files perhaps even in with large files |
| 15:27.30 | daniele83 | beardy: yes, the solution proposed by you and stew need a rm oldfile; mv newfile oldfile; I cannot edit it because it mus be automated (every 2-3 seconds old bites should be removed, without interrupting the accessibility of the file = without rm+mv) |
| 15:27.31 | disposable | can JIGDO work with iso images that arent fully downloaded? i was downloading etch dvd image with wget, and interrupted it. now there's a new dvd image, so wget cannot continue. |
| 15:27.34 | xoz | so far parted is better than fdisk and cfdisk. |
| 15:27.49 | Prudhvi | disposable, just apt-get update now. i guess all the servers are upto date |
| 15:27.57 | erich | nvz: yes, but when reiserfs messes up their directory index, you damage all your files. great. ;-) |
| 15:28.18 | nvz | erich: its block size is kind of dynamic in a sense instead of the old method of just making a static sized block and cramming data into as many as it takes and leaving the rest of the unused block empty |
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| 15:28.35 | valdyn | disposable: no, though it could use any complete files you can find on that iso image |
| 15:29.16 | nvz | erich: fs technology is too complicated for most people to worry about. most of the fancy filesystems are too much trouble for the average user. |
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| 15:29.28 | xoz | what with reiser hulah-ballony? ive been using reiser for 5 years and have no problem. |
| 15:29.29 | disposable | valdyn: so with jigdo i can get a full dvd image, right? (it WILL be able to use the unfinished one) |
| 15:29.40 | beardy | daniele83: And where/when do you need to do this, what are you doing, which file? |
| 15:29.50 | stew | daniele83: then use sed -i or perl -pi instead of tail |
| 15:30.05 | valdyn | disposable: umm, didnt i just say 'no' ? jigdo cant use iso images, it can only use files |
| 15:30.21 | neuralnoise | ehm.....does someone reads me?=) |
| 15:30.21 | valdyn | disposable: .deb files even |
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| 15:30.33 | beardy | neuralnoise: We see what you type yes. |
| 15:30.43 | disposable | valdyn: i'll have to read the fine manual then :) |
| 15:30.43 | Azar | is it better to fix Debian issues with a knoppix CD or with the Debian CD#1? |
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| 15:30.48 | nvz | erich: like if you are the kind of person who doesnt keep real routine backup schedule, and is a little clumsy and would like to be able to undelete forget about that on Reiser, XFS, Ext3, ... etc those kinds of file systems especially XFS generally will overwrite the last unlinked file on the next write call. |
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| 15:31.01 | valdyn | disposable: why even download an iso image of testing / unstable ? |
| 15:31.03 | fireba11 | xoz it seemed more than parted got a problem with makig a 4 TB partition ;-) |
| 15:31.09 | Ronin | Azar: debian cd1 |
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| 15:31.21 | nvz | erich: each one has its own application but your average user just needs a carefree low-maint easy going user firendly filesystem |
| 15:31.22 | xoz | Azar: it is invariant to both... more of the user expertise. |
| 15:31.23 | neuralnoise | on Sarge what is "mysql extension"? |
| 15:31.26 | beardy | Azar: Depends on what tools you need. |
| 15:31.34 | Azar | Ronin, thank you is there any written guide/manual on how to use CD#1 to fix issues? |
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| 15:31.44 | disposable | valdyn: for a computer that needs to be so secure, that even lan cable is cut off :) |
| 15:31.45 | _Deus_ | ðø |
| 15:31.47 | _Deus_ | hi |
| 15:31.51 | Ronin | Azar: like the others said, that depends :) |
| 15:31.51 | grumpyboy | whats does the Group permision mean what group? |
| 15:32.01 | HazyNRG | is there a special chan for speaking of 'hdparm'? |
| 15:32.06 | valdyn | disposable: then testing or unstable are defenitely the wrong choice |
| 15:32.07 | Azar | beardy I am simply using Sarge with legit packages on it |
| 15:32.20 | hatake_kakashi | disposable: that's still not secure ;) it has to be off to be secure and also that is sitting in a jail block :D |
| 15:32.22 | xoz | fireba11: if parted fails, i doubt fdisk or cfdisk will succeed |
| 15:32.27 | valdyn | disposable: since those 2 dont even need outside 'attackers' to be insecure |
| 15:32.27 | erich | nvz: yep. thats why I recommend users to choose ext3, which is like the sanest default for most users. good fsfix tool and very stable. on some kernel versions, ext3 was even stabler than ext2 after all... |
| 15:32.45 | fireba11 | xoz: at least it seems to show partitions modulo 2 GB ^^ |
| 15:32.52 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 15:32.55 | disposable | valdyn: it has dogs on chains welded to its case :) |
| 15:32.58 | Shadowcat | reiser4 > * |
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| 15:33.44 | jair_11 | guys I know this is an old issue that I suppouse to know the solution, but I have the cd rom on an IBM machine that when I type in the sheel as root "eject" I get the message about device is busy. |
| 15:33.49 | beardy | Azar: I meant that the installation cd does not have all tools you might need to fix all "issues" (whatever they are). So another bootable system like a livecd or floppy might be needed instead of the installation cd, like we said, it depends on the situation and the user. |
| 15:33.53 | nvz | erich: I still use ext2 sometimes.. like the system I setup for my friend last night, I made two ext3 and and ext2 fs. |
| 15:33.53 | xoz | fireba11: parted can even resize partitions without loosing data if done properly |
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| 15:34.07 | asg | jair_11: cd ~ ; eject |
| 15:34.16 | jair_11 | I am sure is a way that I can eject it using a force command or specifying umount and then eject right? |
| 15:34.27 | jair_11 | asg, let me check that |
| 15:34.36 | fireba11 | xoz: i don't say it's bad .. i just told you possiegot problems creating his 4TG partition with it :-) |
| 15:34.39 | asg | jair_11: also, use fuser to find out which process is using it or keeping it busy |
| 15:34.59 | xoz | fireba11: maybe possie is the *problem* :) |
| 15:35.21 | Azar | beardy, I see.. hmmm well I was just reading an article "Fixing Linux with Knoppix" and was just wondering if there is any such article for a Debian rescue .. |
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| 15:35.32 | pipeline | Azar: Heh, there's always timo's root/boot. |
| 15:35.45 | beardy | !wiui jair_11 |
| 15:35.45 | dpkg | jair_11: When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
| 15:35.45 | jair_11 | asg, /media/cdrom0/: 4034 |
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| 15:36.23 | beardy | pipeline: Tom's. |
| 15:36.37 | jair_11 | asg, guruji:~# cd ~; eject |
| 15:36.37 | jair_11 | umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy |
| 15:36.41 | beardy | pipeline: (unless you meant something else..) |
| 15:36.48 | HazyNRG | i want to put my hd in standby mode, i try hdparm -y /dev/hda, that's ok. but 20s later, my hd wake up, why? |
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| 15:37.05 | beardy | HazyNRG: Something needed to be written or read. |
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| 15:37.07 | possie | xoz: could be the problem as well ;-) the system i'm trying on has parted version 1.6.15 |
| 15:37.14 | atax | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.18 | jair_11 | asg, I remember was another command that kill the process umount and then eject |
| 15:37.18 | fireba11 | xoz: well .. 4 TB partitions are really unusual so that could be a bug ... |
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| 15:37.29 | yang2 | I have compaq server, when i transported it to another location, the bios shows me only 16mb of RAM instead of 256mb-like before...linux shows me 256mb, what can i do? |
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| 15:37.43 | asg | jair_11: dunno, you could write a custom script to do that easily though. |
| 15:37.46 | xoz | possie: latest in sid is .25 |
| 15:38.02 | asg | jair_11: you need to kill pid 4034 (or find out what it is and then stop it) |
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| 15:38.05 | beardy | yang2: Make sure the memory modules sits correctly in their slots? |
| 15:38.07 | jair_11 | asg, not good on scripts yet |
| 15:38.09 | HazyNRG | ok, can i see what's needed for reading/writing? |
| 15:38.49 | jair_11 | ok is konqueror I think |
| 15:38.49 | fireba11 | yang2 try a memtest .. it it tests 256 MB okay don't care about bios |
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| 15:38.52 | jair_11 | don't worry I will find the solution. |
| 15:38.56 | yang2 | beardy: i have opened the server and rams were in correct positions, i also plugged them out and back iinside, but still shows onlz 16mb |
| 15:38.59 | jetscreamer | hey ddrescue does it file by file, not by directory. how do i get it to do all the files under a given directory and the sub-dirs |
| 15:39.02 | asg | jair_11: then this gives you the impetus to start :) Try the #bash FAQ at wooledge.org and the 'abs-guide' package. |
| 15:39.09 | beardy | yang2: what fireba11 said |
| 15:39.28 | xoz | yang2: open it. remove the mem and return it back... connection problem during transport? |
| 15:39.37 | yang2 | beardy: i guess my bios has reseted. during the transport? |
| 15:39.37 | jair_11 | asg, thank you for the info place |
| 15:39.41 | netman1 | yang2: run the compaq selftest. |
| 15:39.52 | asg | jair_11: you're welcome |
| 15:39.57 | yang2 | netman1: how do i enter bios in compaq, must be some sequence |
| 15:40.01 | beardy | yang2: If it's a Compaq, anything is possible.. |
| 15:40.08 | netman1 | yang2: F10 most likely |
| 15:40.16 | beardy | yang2: Del ? |
| 15:40.17 | xoz | HazyNRG: install noflushd |
| 15:40.18 | Equinox | yang2: Candles and inscense may be required. |
| 15:40.22 | yang2 | f10 goes to partition utilities |
| 15:40.23 | phatfish | hit all the F keys a lot :) |
| 15:40.32 | netman1 | yang2: kick it instead ;-) |
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| 15:40.38 | pipeline | yang2: Some Compaqs come with a boot disk that you have to use to configure the BIOS. So it's very possible that you simply can't enter any BIOS menu because there simply may not be one. |
| 15:40.52 | yang2 | crap |
| 15:41.00 | beardy | yang2: indeed.. :) |
| 15:41.05 | HazyNRG | xoz: thanks |
| 15:41.07 | pipeline | yang2: Common options: all of the f keys, backspace, delete, insert, home, pause/break, ctrl+pause/break |
| 15:41.24 | pipeline | yang2: sometimes you'll even have alt+(some f key) |
| 15:41.24 | beardy | yang2: Turnover your keyboard and put your foot on it. |
| 15:41.27 | yang2 | ctrl+f1 maybe |
| 15:41.35 | yang2 | beardy: lol |
| 15:41.41 | netman1 | yang2: F10 most likely |
| 15:42.46 | Pooh22 | is anyone else aware of breakage of mysql in -testing? |
| 15:43.01 | xoz | yang2: read the boot sequence... usually, it tells you |
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| 15:43.04 | yang2 | ok, if i am not back in 10 min. the thing worked:) |
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| 15:44.16 | aaronm_ | I am having trouble with my sid installation, for some reason my keymap seems to be messed up (I can't access vty's on ctrl+f1, f2 etc) |
| 15:44.23 | aaronm_ | is there a way to reset the keyboard mapping to the default? |
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| 15:44.36 | darkraider | any ideas when testing will be released as stable? |
| 15:45.06 | xoz | aaronm_: are you in X |
| 15:45.33 | aaronm_ | xoz yes |
| 15:45.39 | disposable | :wq |
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| 15:46.02 | xoz | aaronm_: man xmodmap |
| 15:46.39 | fireba11 | darkraider: can't be that long .. woody support is expected to stop soon |
| 15:46.45 | xoz | aaronm_: and use xev to check if your ctrl key is really ctrl key |
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| 15:47.59 | tombs | hi all |
| 15:48.01 | darkraider | I am in love with sarge, I cant wait to see the next stable release |
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| 15:49.15 | darkraider | from what i hear sid is pretty stable |
| 15:49.17 | angeldodger | chealer: welcome back. Installing debhelper worked and module-assistant build and installed the module. Now trying to figure out what to do next... |
| 15:49.23 | jair_11 | cool guys I got, all I needed to do was close konqueror and then eject works, |
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| 15:49.35 | chealer | angeldodger: nice. did you try modprobe? |
| 15:49.44 | chealer | darkraider: heh |
| 15:49.51 | asg | darkraider: /msg dpkg sid faq (read about horrible bugs) |
| 15:50.15 | angeldodger | chealer: trying to figure out what arguments (file) to supply to modprobe |
| 15:50.34 | chealer | angeldodger: insmod takes a file. modprobe takes a module name |
| 15:51.20 | angeldodger | chealer: How can I find the module name? |
| 15:51.54 | Pooh22 | could anyone shed some light on these messages from updating mysql? http://pastebin.com/565117 |
| 15:51.57 | chealer | angeldodger: did you try at76c503a? |
| 15:52.14 | Pooh22 | I don't understand what's going wrong :( |
| 15:52.30 | asg | Pooh22: what debian version are you running? |
| 15:52.42 | Pooh22 | testing |
| 15:52.46 | asg | Pooh22: oh, testing. You might start with the bts |
| 15:52.56 | angeldodger | chealer: Just did, and that seemed to go ok... after that? |
| 15:53.10 | Pooh22 | asg: what's bts? |
| 15:53.11 | asg | Pooh22: otherwise, you'll have to hack the pre-install script to make it work. |
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| 15:53.14 | asg | Pooh22: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:53.20 | Pooh22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.22 | stew | Pooh22: you must have installed at least the mysql-server package from unstable, not testing |
| 15:53.34 | stew | !depends mysql-server testing |
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| 15:53.38 | chealer | angeldodger: well, if the module loaded, it should be a matter of configuring the network now |
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| 15:53.43 | dpkg | mysql-server: depends on mysql-server-5.0 |
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| 15:53.59 | yang2 | this memtest86 is done over floppy? |
| 15:54.06 | Pooh22 | ok, I think mysql in testing is being updated to 5.0... |
| 15:54.16 | erich | yang2: no, you can install it in grub, too. |
| 15:54.22 | Pooh22 | or at least, that's my impression from what is happening... |
| 15:54.29 | erich | yang2: it might even be added to the grub menu automatically |
| 15:54.36 | yang2 | erich: i use lilo |
| 15:54.56 | asg | Pooh22: it wouldn't update from 4.x to 5.x unless you had a previous 5.x installed |
| 15:55.16 | yang2 | erich: it cannot be starte on a hard drive? |
| 15:55.18 | angeldodger | chealer: Ok. Just unplugged and reconnected the device. Good news is that the driver is now trying to deal with the device, bad news is it can't find the firmware file - so now to figure out how to point it in the right direction! |
| 15:55.19 | erich | will probably work, too. I don't have first-hand experience with that combination, though. grub is just way more comfortable. |
| 15:55.21 | fireba11 | asg: that made ono sense |
| 15:55.26 | Pooh22 | ok, so first you'd need to force mysql-server 5.0 before automatic updates work? |
| 15:55.36 | erich | yang: I think it can be started the very same way as a kernel. |
| 15:55.46 | chealer | angeldodger: sorry, I have no clue about the firmware |
| 15:55.47 | stew | asg: no the mysql-server metapacakge is now depending on 5.0, and forces an upgrade |
| 15:55.51 | asg | fireba11: if you upgrade from woody to sarge, it won't upgrade to exim4 |
| 15:56.00 | asg | stew: yeah, just noticed |
| 15:56.10 | fireba11 | asg: hehe |
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| 15:56.33 | angeldodger | chealer: No worries... you got me this far. Thanks for the help - I think I'm 99% of the way there now - but then I always was an optomist... :) |
| 15:57.00 | Pooh22 | stew,asg: but is the upgrade working for you? |
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| 15:57.10 | asg | Pooh22: I don't track testing |
| 15:57.13 | stew | Pooh22: yes it worked for me |
| 15:57.23 | stew | except that it broke mythtv |
| 15:57.32 | Pooh22 | hmm |
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| 15:58.05 | dusty- | hey guys I run my own webserver (apache) and i have a friend who has a site on my box with the url http://dynamic.dns.org/~username/ is there anyway if he buys a domain www.blah.com i can get it to point to that url? |
| 15:58.31 | fireba11 | dusty-: of course |
| 15:58.37 | yang2 | dusty-: sure |
| 15:58.38 | fireba11 | dusty-: several in fact |
| 15:58.39 | chealer | angeldodger: you're right, there's a bug in at76c503a-source for not depending on debhelper. I'll try to remember reporting that |
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| 15:58.45 | daniele83 | beardy, stew: thanks anyway, I've resolved with python. Instead of deleting the first bits and appending new one at the end, now I iteratively rewrite portions of my file seek()ing and write()ing. |
| 15:58.54 | dusty- | hehe cool |
| 15:58.55 | dusty- | how? |
| 15:59.06 | pharm | dusty-: He has to setup the DNS to point to your box's IP & you twiddle the apache conf to add that domain as a virtual host |
| 15:59.14 | yang2 | dusty-: you create virtual hosts in apache.conf |
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| 15:59.43 | dusty- | hrm |
| 15:59.50 | dusty- | so |
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| 16:00.03 | erich | yang2: google is powerful, FYI. google for memtest86. Quoting the memtest86.com homepage: The test image may be loaded from a floppy disk or may be loaded via LILO on Linux systems. |
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| 16:00.20 | erich | yang2: so what is your excuse for not looking at the project homepage or using google? |
| 16:00.23 | javiolo | pharm is that possible with dynamic ip ? |
| 16:00.25 | dusty- | if he buys the domain www.blah.com and points it to my IP (which will point to my site and not his) then i setup a virtual host to deal with it, it will redirect to his /~user/ part? |
| 16:00.49 | possie | GPT is only for 64-bit OS'es ? |
| 16:00.53 | UmNick | erich: perhaps he does not know google's url :-) |
| 16:00.54 | HazyNRG | where are located the noflushd logs? |
| 16:01.08 | tty | dusty-: yeah the vhost specifies its own document root |
| 16:01.17 | dusty- | ok sweet |
| 16:01.18 | dusty- | thanks |
| 16:01.19 | pharm | javiolo: Only if you can update the DNS every time the IP changes. |
| 16:01.28 | asg | HazyNRG: probably in /var/log |
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| 16:02.00 | javiolo | pharm ok I tested a dyndns free service... is the same no ? |
| 16:02.38 | pharm | javiolo: Or use a URL forwarding setup. You can do it with frames, but its a bit icky. |
| 16:03.13 | javiolo | pharm ouch frames... |
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| 16:04.22 | yang2 | i guess linux recognisez 250mb of memory, even if it shows 16mb in bios...I hope it just doesnt crash randomly on some point |
| 16:04.24 | kneet | Copying large files (scp/sftp) over a dodgy connection - I can't see it in the docs - does sftp support any form for restart? |
| 16:04.32 | HazyNRG | asg: probably, but i dont't find the filename |
| 16:04.52 | asg | HazyNRG: oh, it logs to syslog. Start looking in /var/log/syslog |
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| 16:05.54 | dusty- | yag, yang2 guys i havn't got a static ip i use something.dyndns.org |
| 16:06.04 | dusty- | so how can i get him to point his www.blah.com domain to my ip |
| 16:06.08 | dusty- | i would have to use my dns |
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| 16:06.13 | dusty- | but how would i do that? |
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| 16:06.20 | yang2 | dusty-: domain is pointed to an IP |
| 16:06.34 | dusty- | damnit |
| 16:06.38 | dusty- | how do i get around this |
| 16:06.42 | yang2 | dusty-: if you are using dynamic ip you will have troubles |
| 16:06.47 | dusty- | yes i am |
| 16:06.49 | dusty- | thats the problem |
| 16:07.05 | dusty- | my dsl has dyanmic ip, so i use dyndns.org and have something.dyndns.org |
| 16:07.14 | dusty- | my mate has something.dyndns.org/~user/ |
| 16:07.24 | dusty- | and wants to point www.blah.com to something.dyndns.org/~user/# |
| 16:07.29 | yang2 | dusty-: ask on your ISP maybe they give you fixed ip |
| 16:07.37 | dusty- | they dont do it |
| 16:07.38 | HazyNRG | asg: there's no log from noflushd in /var/log/syslog |
| 16:07.46 | dusty- | they onyl do that on business packages which are stronomical. |
| 16:07.50 | dusty- | astronomical. |
| 16:07.57 | stew | dusty-: tell him to make www.blah.com be a CNAME to something.dyndns.org |
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| 16:08.08 | dusty- | well im registering it for him |
| 16:08.11 | dusty- | so i could do that |
| 16:08.15 | dusty- | how do i make it a CNAME? |
| 16:08.31 | stew | dusty-: you ask whomever is the admin for the DNS for that domain |
| 16:08.47 | asg | HazyNRG: then look at the manpage, there is a verbose option |
| 16:08.52 | dusty- | stew im lost now |
| 16:09.24 | stew | dusty-: who is hosting the dns for blah.com? |
| 16:09.33 | dusty- | i dont know |
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| 16:09.42 | dusty- | i was going to register the domain from www.easily.co.uk |
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| 16:09.48 | fsancho | hi all |
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| 16:10.29 | dusty- | Stew and the webserver uses its ISP's nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 16:11.31 | dusty- | ? |
| 16:11.39 | stew | dusty-: when you register the domain, who are you going to list as the nameservers? are you going to let the registrar handle the dns? |
| 16:11.50 | dusty- | yes most likely |
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| 16:11.55 | dusty- | i dont want anything to do with the dns |
| 16:12.00 | dusty- | i just wanna host the site for him |
| 16:12.04 | dusty- | and he wants a domain |
| 16:12.19 | HazyNRG | asg: yeah, i ran the daemon with verbose. |
| 16:12.31 | stew | dusty-: well you need to figure out who is going to host the DNS, then you need to ask that person to make the CNAME |
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| 16:13.16 | dusty- | stew, well if the registra handles it... |
| 16:13.17 | faber2 | hi everybody |
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| 16:13.29 | faber2 | whats the difference between linux-source and linux-tree package? |
| 16:13.31 | tty | dusty-: most registara also offer dns service i pay 5 bucks a year for dns service |
| 16:13.43 | cr3 | anyone happen to be using remind(1)? does it scale well over time for entering all kinds of events? |
| 16:13.58 | erich | nvz: amarok crashed when I clicked on edit track information on the very first file (admittedly, an ogg file...) :-( crap. |
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| 16:14.47 | dusty- | so what do i need to do? |
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| 16:15.28 | Azar | I finally found a clear definition of why "aptitude" is recommended when upgrading the distro. |
| 16:15.29 | fsancho | i want to know if is there a way to make that the macromedia's flash plugin don't delay de audio when playing video |
| 16:15.30 | tty | dusty-: is the domain registered already ? |
| 16:16.25 | stew | Azar: from woody->sarge it was the only non-broken way, afaik |
| 16:16.40 | Azar | Package dependency problems may occur when upgrading in unstable or testing. Most of the time this is because a package that will be upgraded Depends on a package that is not yet available. Using "aptitude" instead of "apt-get" will fix that |
| 16:16.40 | stew | Azar: woody's apt-get had a bug with large circular dependencies |
| 16:17.12 | Azar | stew, last year when I upgraded from woody > sarge I was fortunate enough to read about using aptitude beforehand |
| 16:17.31 | stew | i don't know how aptitude is going to fix a dependency on a pacakge which is not yet available |
| 16:17.44 | dusty- | tty no not yet |
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| 16:17.55 | Psi-Jack | Anyone here know how pam_passwdqc? |
| 16:18.00 | Psi-Jack | -how |
| 16:18.03 | Azar | stew me either, that's what this howto I am reading say |
| 16:18.19 | chealer | faber2: read both packages' description to find out |
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| 16:18.42 | Psi-Jack | I'm mainly curious as to... Exactly what do the various.. min=N0,N1,N2,N3,N4 options... Actually do? |
| 16:19.04 | faber2 | chealer: i did not understand. which one do i need to "make-kpkg" |
| 16:19.10 | jetscreamer | so why are .vob's usually exactly 1.0 gb |
| 16:19.18 | jetscreamer | or < |
| 16:19.31 | tty | dusty-: aplus.net is who i am registered with they do dns good service decent pricing ect. ect. all you do is setup the vhost they can do the rest just have to give them the ip |
| 16:19.34 | Psi-Jack | jetscreamer: To make you ask that exact question. ;) |
| 16:19.47 | chealer | faber2: doesn't the kernel-package doc answer that? |
| 16:19.59 | Azar | Package dependency problems may occur when installing in unstable or testing. # aptitude -f install "package" they say will override broken dependencies |
| 16:20.08 | jetscreamer | stew: and dselect did fine... |
| 16:20.18 | Azar | hmm this looks like forcing a package |
| 16:20.19 | dusty- | tty, so i setup a vhost and that it, reigster the domain and point the domain to my ip |
| 16:20.29 | ootput | for those of you using dual-heads, what progam is recommended for setting the wallpaper? |
| 16:20.35 | kspath | jetscreamer: to fit bz or gzipped onto a 1GB USB drive? |
| 16:20.35 | tty | dusty-: yep thats it |
| 16:20.49 | dusty- | sweet |
| 16:20.51 | dusty- | thanks |
| 16:20.54 | jetscreamer | the tre ething is only for if you need it or know what it is |
| 16:20.56 | jetscreamer | tree |
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| 16:21.59 | tty | ootput: http://subliminal-hate.org/page.php?6 might be helpful |
| 16:22.13 | yang-away | Why cant i do # lspci # ? |
| 16:22.28 | yang-away | am i missing some package |
| 16:22.39 | kspath | yang-away: not worthy? |
| 16:22.45 | UmNick | he he |
| 16:22.51 | tty | yang-away: not in your path type /sbin/lspci ? |
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| 16:23.23 | beardy | tty: It's in /usr/bin |
| 16:23.24 | yang-away | tty: not such file or directory |
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| 16:23.47 | yang-away | its not there either |
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| 16:23.56 | kspath | yang-away: I used apt-file to determine that lspci is in pciutils package and path is /bin/lspci and /usr/bin/lspci |
| 16:23.59 | tty | beardy: yeah it is |
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| 16:25.23 | yang-away | what is wrong with this #discover# software...last time it recogniyed mt 8139too now it doesnt... |
| 16:25.23 | beardy | yang-away: Install pciutils then. |
| 16:25.41 | beardy | yang-away: Use quotes " " if that is what you want to do. |
| 16:25.55 | yang-away | i have a wrong keyboard set |
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| 16:25.57 | dusty- | tty, im a bit lost.. i register a domain from aplus.net but when it asks me to put an ip in to point the address to what should i do as my ip is dynamic? |
| 16:26.09 | beardy | yang-away: Find it then, type around :) |
| 16:26.17 | kspath | yang-away: apt-get install apt-file ;apt-file update; apt-file search lspci |
| 16:26.20 | beardy | !keymap |
| 16:26.20 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 16:26.34 | tty | dusty-: how do you plan hosting without a static ip ? |
| 16:26.49 | kspath | no-ip? |
| 16:27.00 | beardy | or any other similar service? |
| 16:27.03 | tty | dusty-: dynamic dns .. then you dont need a domain |
| 16:27.04 | kspath | get money and do it right |
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| 16:27.25 | dusty- | sigh |
| 16:27.27 | dusty- | right |
| 16:27.31 | _keroppi_ | How is Debian told to create a framebuffer device when it boots up? (/dev/fb0) |
| 16:27.58 | useruser | _keroppi_: kernel options passed via your bootloader (usually lilo or grub), i think |
| 16:28.07 | dusty- | i have a doamin i use a dynamic dns like something.dyndns.org i am hosting a friends site under something.dyndns.org/~friend/ and that friend wants a domain www.blah.com pointing to his something.dyndns.org/~friend/ how? |
| 16:28.11 | beardy | _keroppi_: The kernel does it if it has support for it, and is told to do so. |
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| 16:28.14 | dusty- | tty, thats the situation can it be done? |
| 16:28.14 | kspath | 1and1 hosting and others are quite cheap for a base site |
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| 16:28.34 | Equinox | Anyone have suggestions as to why .php files are returning source on my debian server? I did AddType in the conf file and installed php4 package |
| 16:28.38 | _keroppi_ | beardy: So you have to compile it into the kernel? |
| 16:28.46 | dusty- | tty? |
| 16:28.52 | tty | dusty-: yeah just get a n-ip domain name |
| 16:29.07 | dusty- | n-ip domain name??? |
| 16:29.10 | beardy | _keroppi_: You have to compile in support for framebuffer to use it yes. |
| 16:29.12 | dusty- | whats that |
| 16:29.15 | kspath | Equinox: did you reload/restart apache? |
| 16:29.18 | Equinox | Yep |
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| 16:29.21 | tty | dusty-: you dont need no-ip.com ..its just one site there are a bunch |
| 16:29.34 | dusty- | nooo |
| 16:29.35 | kspath | Equinox: PHP is weak? |
| 16:29.42 | dusty- | the guy wants to buy a domain like www.blah.com |
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| 16:29.46 | dusty- | not a dynamic dns |
| 16:29.51 | Equinox | kspath- PHP owns ;) |
| 16:29.56 | dusty- | sheesh why doesn't anyone understand what im trying to say |
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| 16:30.04 | tty | dusty-: then he will have to buy hosting |
| 16:30.06 | dusty- | tty, do you know what im trying to do? |
| 16:30.08 | dusty- | ruight ok |
| 16:30.10 | jetscreamer | anybody know? when k3b formats a dvd, how much is erased? |
| 16:30.10 | dusty- | fuck it |
| 16:30.19 | jetscreamer | !fuck it |
| 16:30.20 | dusty- | i really dont know why that was so hard |
| 16:30.23 | UmNick | domain name > no-ip> dynamicip |
| 16:30.26 | Axioms_101 | i just installed debian, but all non-roman texts don't show up cyrillic, arabic, korean etc. plus in abi word none of the symbols appear, all i get is boxes, can anyone help me |
| 16:30.51 | beardy | _keroppi_: IIRC the stock kernels has it as a module (vesafb that is), but it's not used as default anymore, it was before. |
| 16:30.51 | tty | dusty-: or you will have to upgrade to a static ip |
| 16:30.52 | stew | dusty-: its not hard, you just need a cname |
| 16:30.52 | jetscreamer | Axioms_101: install some fonts probably |
| 16:30.52 | dusty- | how do i get a cname |
| 16:30.52 | dusty- | where do i get one from |
| 16:30.53 | Equinox | How would I see if the php module is successfully loaded into apache? |
| 16:30.53 | Axioms_101 | which package do i need |
| 16:30.53 | dusty- | i cant upgrade to a static ip |
| 16:30.53 | stew | dusty-: whomever is hosting the dns for the domain |
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| 16:30.54 | jetscreamer | that's in the dns server dusty- |
| 16:31.02 | yang-away | ok, my PCI UTP card is supposed to be on eth1 (it was there before i took my server elsewhere), now it just doesn't show up even if i do "modprobe 8139too" |
| 16:31.02 | dusty- | ok |
| 16:31.06 | Cubanito | Hi,do somebody speak Spanish ? |
| 16:31.10 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 16:31.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:31.17 | Equinox | No hablo espanol. |
| 16:31.19 | jetscreamer | mi espanol esta caca, lo siento |
| 16:31.20 | kspath | !tell Cubanito about es |
| 16:31.25 | dusty- | so say i buy the domain from aplus.net i will have to email them asking them to make it a CNAME <-- is that how i go about it, or do i need to change an option on the web inerface or what? |
| 16:31.28 | _keroppi_ | beardy: So if you don't have it compiled in, you load it with a module, right? I have vesafb being loaded as a module in /etc/modules.conf, but no fb device is created. This is in ubuntu though, it works fine in my debian distro and I was wondering what the difference could be. |
| 16:31.29 | tty | dusty-: no-ip.com will register real domains also and do the dynamic dns the same i think |
| 16:31.36 | kspath | jetscreamer: caca hehehehe |
| 16:31.43 | dusty- | lemme check that out |
| 16:31.50 | _keroppi_ | beardy: loaded as a module in /etc/modules, not module.conf -- I meant |
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| 16:32.02 | jetscreamer | uh you better read up on it dusty- |
| 16:32.13 | kspath | jetscreamer said My Spanish is crap, sorry. |
| 16:32.29 | jetscreamer | i said my spanish is shit, sorry.. :) |
| 16:32.30 | Cubanito | Hola, por favor alguien que hable ESPANOL????????????????????????? |
| 16:32.35 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 16:32.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:32.40 | BarryAllen | hi all.... im trying to use fai (with sarge), with my own apt-get repo.... but fai try to catch a "Release" file/directory.... i dont have that.... how can i create it? |
| 16:32.40 | kspath | !tell Cubanito about es |
| 16:32.40 | jetscreamer | ayar ^^^ |
| 16:32.48 | UmNick | Cubanito: are you freakin ciego |
| 16:32.53 | Cubanito | ok |
| 16:32.55 | UmNick | lea lo va @ #debian-es |
| 16:33.02 | Cubanito | ok |
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| 16:33.27 | beardy | _keroppi_: Well, #ubuntu should know. So your Debian box uses the framebugger by default? |
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| 16:33.33 | beardy | heh |
| 16:33.36 | beardy | buffer |
| 16:33.45 | stew | nice typo |
| 16:33.48 | jetscreamer | nvidia no likee fb |
| 16:33.49 | beardy | yeah |
| 16:33.55 | jetscreamer | i like it too |
| 16:33.56 | yang-away | lsmod says : 8139too used by 0 ; mii used by 1 8139too |
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| 16:33.59 | _keroppi_ | beardy: Yeah, so vga=791 works fine, in ubuntu the system continues booting up, but the screen goes black. It also makes my fglrx driver not work... |
| 16:34.20 | jetscreamer | _keroppi_: hwinfo --framebuffer |
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| 16:34.56 | beardy | Now I'm confused, is the framebuffer used by default by the stock kernels or not? |
| 16:35.17 | jetscreamer | not for my nvidia box, but the modules are there |
| 16:35.24 | kspath | _keroppi_: You have an LCD display? I kept setting my display settings while testing over and over to things it could not handle till I finally got it. |
| 16:35.35 | jetscreamer | try bga=ask |
| 16:35.38 | jetscreamer | errvga |
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| 16:35.55 | _keroppi_ | kspath: Yeah, I have a 1920x1200 15.4" TFT on a Dell Inspiron |
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| 16:36.04 | Cresl1n | woohoo! go debian! |
| 16:36.05 | Cresl1n | :-) |
| 16:36.08 | _keroppi_ | kspath: And a radeon 9600 |
| 16:36.14 | kspath | _keroppi_: vga=795 work? |
| 16:36.39 | kspath | _keroppi_: did you try switching to vty1 and vty2 and then back again? |
| 16:36.40 | Snowball | Hey people, anyone got the time to discuss squid issues... or can anyone guide me to a channel where I may have some luck finding some people who can?? |
| 16:36.41 | _keroppi_ | kspath: 791 doesn't work, and it worked in debian (Ubuntu now, failed in dapper and hoary) |
| 16:36.49 | jetscreamer | #squid ? |
| 16:36.53 | _keroppi_ | jetscreamer: thanks! |
| 16:37.02 | Snowball | I've been there... nobody's answering... |
| 16:37.05 | jetscreamer | i guess there's a #squid |
| 16:37.07 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:37.23 | ale1 | could anyone tell me how to open a shell on knoppix without mouse and monitor? |
| 16:37.27 | kspath | _keroppi_: maybe debian is calling you back. |
| 16:37.32 | yang-away | can someone help me around my realtek UTP card? |
| 16:37.38 | _keroppi_ | jetscreamer: What should I do with that information? |
| 16:37.41 | beardy | Snowball: Then just ask your question and see if you get an answer. |
| 16:37.54 | kspath | !tell ale1 about knoppix |
| 16:37.55 | _keroppi_ | kspath: Haha, that's what happened last time i used Ubuntu, nothing fucking worked, so I put debian back on. =) |
| 16:37.56 | jetscreamer | vga= , _keroppi_ |
| 16:37.57 | alon | I have a strange samba issue.. samba as pdc |
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| 16:37.59 | Snowball | ok, i will.... |
| 16:38.09 | jetscreamer | _keroppi_: or use vga=ask and try them |
| 16:38.14 | jetscreamer | safer... |
| 16:38.14 | kspath | _keroppi_: did you try switching to vty1 and vty2 and then back again? |
| 16:38.17 | _keroppi_ | beardy: the vga16fb gave me a fb0 device |
| 16:38.27 | _keroppi_ | kspath: nope, I'll try that |
| 16:38.34 | jetscreamer | you'll need the fb modules yeah... |
| 16:38.47 | jetscreamer | isn't there a radeon one also? |
| 16:38.57 | _keroppi_ | jetscreamer: Yeah, but I don't know if it works |
| 16:38.59 | ale1 | ok, but it should work to #knoppix is "empty" ... |
| 16:38.59 | ale1 | I only need a shell |
| 16:39.03 | beardy | _keroppi_: Hmm, what's that? A module or a boot parameter? |
| 16:39.09 | _keroppi_ | beardy: a module |
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| 16:39.18 | jetscreamer | ale1: next time try #kanotix the better knoppix |
| 16:39.19 | _keroppi_ | beardy: loaded the module just now, and fb0 popped up |
| 16:39.26 | beardy | _keroppi_: Ok. |
| 16:39.27 | lordnazgul | my apt sources public key repository (gpg) is kind of hosed is there any way to remove that and create a new one, ie to reconfigure the apt sources kind of like during install? |
| 16:39.30 | _keroppi_ | Okay guys, thanks for your help, I'm going to reboot and try it out |
| 16:39.34 | kspath | _keroppi_: my display would appear to be blank or filled with colours. When I changed to vty1 and vty2 and vty7 and back it was all great. Not ideal but it worked for me. |
| 16:39.34 | asg | ale1: ctrl+alt+f1 ; login ; type stuff |
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| 16:39.37 | jetscreamer | ale1: but if you don't have a monitor, how will you see |
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| 16:40.07 | ale1 | I will do it via shh, but there for I must enter an ifconfig |
| 16:40.10 | jetscreamer | lordnazgul: /topic |
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| 16:40.38 | jetscreamer | ale1: you'll be in a console |
| 16:40.46 | jetscreamer | once you ssh in |
| 16:40.58 | kspath | ale1: this is not a knoppix support channel. I heard there was data on the net about knoppix out there and there are books about it also. |
| 16:41.01 | fsancho | anybody knows how can i improve audio syncronization when playing live video streams with macromedia flash plugin? |
| 16:41.08 | lordnazgul | jetscreamer --> oops didnt notice it had changed. thx |
| 16:41.18 | jetscreamer | ale1: seriously try kanotix instead of knoppix |
| 16:41.34 | ale1 | ok I'll part |
| 16:41.34 | ale1 | but thanks anyway |
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| 16:41.38 | jetscreamer | think 'support' |
| 16:42.08 | jetscreamer | in german even |
| 16:42.25 | alon | I have a bit of a problem after migrating a samba 2 pdc to a new samba 3 pdc |
| 16:42.29 | kspath | also, as well, too |
| 16:42.37 | alon | users and machines log on with no problem... but when they try to logon when offline ( thus supposably using their cached profile/authentication tokens...) they recieve an error saying that the domain controller cannot be founbd and are denied logon |
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| 16:43.15 | alon | samba 3 on sarge |
| 16:43.18 | kspath | alon: cached info pointing at old server |
| 16:43.28 | kspath | alon: wipe caches? |
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| 16:43.57 | asg | alon: or use the Windows mantra: "If it don't work, reboot" |
| 16:44.27 | UmNick | he he |
| 16:44.29 | jetscreamer | too much emphasis on uptime in the world, imo, but only imo |
| 16:44.30 | Ronin | asg: rewhat? ive heard fo that |
| 16:44.30 | kspath | alon: or use the linux mantra: Avoid M$ related tools/tech. |
| 16:44.50 | jetscreamer | and always blame the admin |
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| 16:45.01 | asg | Ronin: ;) |
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| 16:45.29 | alon | oh pplenty of reboots... |
| 16:45.33 | asg | alon: also, #samba might be of use unless they are all down at the pub |
| 16:45.37 | alon | any way to wipe the caches? |
| 16:45.49 | jetscreamer | yeah but do you turn the power off, that's the REAL question |
| 16:45.55 | beardy | alon: what caches, and why do you have to? |
| 16:46.07 | jetscreamer | some hd's don't support cache flushing, some do |
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| 16:46.13 | jetscreamer | if you mean hd |
| 16:46.15 | beardy | alon: sync |
| 16:46.15 | kspath | jetscreamer: You know how sick it is? Places with 30 nodes that can support full load with 20 nodes sometimes freak when ANY 1 node is down for more than a few seconds. Even though that service has 100% uptime and likely not even one connection was dropped. |
| 16:46.22 | alon | well samba guys are down at the pub I guess |
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| 16:46.53 | jetscreamer | no i've never clustered anything but a clusterfuck... :( |
| 16:47.26 | GarethAdams|Work | hi guys |
| 16:47.46 | kspath | jetscreamer: clustering is GREAT! unless your bosses are morons. |
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| 16:47.54 | alon | the issue is when the cable is disconnewcted ir does not try to logon locally with cached credentials... as happenned b4.. this is particularly important with laptops |
| 16:48.07 | kspath | jetscreamer: you can take any node down for a day or two to do whatever with it. |
| 16:48.33 | angeldodger | Hi. Thanks to help from chealer I now have the atmel at76c503 driver installed, but when I hotplug the device I get an error saying that the firmware cannot be found on the system. The file that it says it's looking for is in the /lib/firmware folder - anyone know what I'm missing? Thanks for any ideas. |
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| 16:48.37 | jetscreamer | my clients have > 10 boxes each total, and usually only 2 or 3 |
| 16:48.46 | jetscreamer | small |
| 16:48.51 | ejofee | is there any gnu/linux app which can help me cut 5 minutes out of an .avi and transform the 5 minutes segment into an .avi file? |
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| 16:49.07 | jetscreamer | ejofee: i found avidemux the one i could use, ymmv |
| 16:49.11 | jetscreamer | easy |
| 16:49.22 | jetscreamer | the others were like complicated |
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| 16:49.25 | chealer | angeldodger: as I said, I have no clue about that, but make sure atmel-firmware's doc doesn't explain that |
| 16:49.32 | alon | it's not in the libux |
| 16:49.48 | alon | it's in the windows... cable is DCd |
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| 16:49.55 | disposable | is there any mail client that actually looks serious? mozilla-mail can't remember passwords, evolution has the win95 looks, kmail - too simple, and ncurses based clients wont do. |
| 16:50.04 | ejofee | jetscreamer: you mean it's more user-friendly? |
| 16:50.10 | ejofee | jetscreamer: and what is "ymmv"? |
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| 16:50.15 | jetscreamer | yes very much more |
| 16:50.15 | jetscreamer | !ymmv |
| 16:50.15 | dpkg | ymmv is, like, your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
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| 16:50.16 | Ronin | disposable: win95 look? heh |
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| 16:50.41 | angeldodger | chealer: Thanx. Have been looking for the info since last message - nothing yet... I think I'm missing something about hotplug |
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| 16:50.45 | jetscreamer | ejofee: i found it easy to trim a file with it, which is all i wanted to do |
| 16:50.45 | Toastie_ | By what method does modern Linux kernels pass the original dst IP address in a transparent-proxy configuration? |
| 16:50.50 | lordnazgul | jetscreamer thx that did it |
| 16:50.53 | disposable | Ronin: evolution looks s**t |
| 16:50.59 | javiolo | disposable how about thunderbird ? |
| 16:51.04 | jetscreamer | !info mutt |
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| 16:51.14 | dpkg | mutt: (text-based mailreader supporting MIME, GPG, PGP and threading), section mail, is standard. Version: 1.5.11+cvs20060126-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1733 kB, Installed size: 4342 kB |
| 16:51.22 | jetscreamer | mozilla-mail can remember passwords iirc |
| 16:51.36 | disposable | javiolo: never heard of it... will check. themeable? |
| 16:51.40 | asg | jetscreamer: that "won't do" since functionality is not the driving force behind this one's query |
| 16:51.40 | kspath | disposable: Since your standards are so special you should create your own special email client right now. |
| 16:51.42 | Ronin | disposable: not for me but as with all things its a persoel thing |
| 16:51.50 | jetscreamer | thunderbird is mozilla-mail in a standalone |
| 16:51.52 | ejofee | jetscreamer: it seems it's not to be found in any repo :( |
| 16:52.00 | jetscreamer | !info avidemux |
| 16:52.13 | GarethAdams|Work | where does exim know where to look for conf files? I've seen pages talk about /etc/exim4.conf but I have /etc/exim4/conf.d/ Are all the files in conf.d included by exim automatically? |
| 16:52.22 | disposable | kspath: i was thinking about it. but i can only code in java. it would be slooooow |
| 16:52.44 | kspath | disposable: but is it themable? |
| 16:52.49 | Zugschlus | GarethAdams|Work: see /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.gz |
| 16:52.49 | asg | GarethAdams|Work: they are assembled into a single config when exim is restarted or you run update-exim4.conf |
| 16:52.57 | itrebal | i've run into issues setting up X on my box, i did a net install as a Desktop Computer and its giving me issues - the system is at some redicuosly low configuration |
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| 16:53.02 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 16:53.08 | Zugschlus | asg: and the default is to ignore them in favor of /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template |
| 16:53.08 | javiolo | I think thunderbird support themes |
| 16:53.11 | jetscreamer | i've apt-gotten it before |
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| 16:53.16 | disposable | javiolo: tnx |
| 16:53.21 | jetscreamer | ahh must be on marillat |
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| 16:53.29 | asg | Zugschlus: true |
| 16:53.32 | praseodym | how can I install phpmyadmin via apt-get with apache2 |
| 16:53.33 | beardy | itrebal: You have to be more specific. What does it say? |
| 16:53.36 | asg | Zugschlus: as you should well know :) |
| 16:53.41 | Toastie_ | By what method does modern Linux kernels pass the original dst IP address in a transparent-proxy configuration? |
| 16:54.01 | jetscreamer | ejofee: it's on marillat |
| 16:54.03 | asg | Toastie_: #kernelnewbies is probably a better forum for that question |
| 16:54.08 | aeronadix | Toastie_, woow, your really smart |
| 16:54.10 | jetscreamer | !tell ejofee -about marillat |
| 16:54.14 | javiolo | Yes, it supports |
| 16:54.18 | ejofee | jetscreamer: thank you |
| 16:54.23 | kspath | Where is linux going when people are more concerned about appearances rather than tech, stability, and performance. |
| 16:54.25 | Toastie_ | aeronadix, I know |
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| 16:54.33 | Toastie_ | asg, my next step, yes |
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| 16:54.39 | jetscreamer | ejofee: lots of nice audio/visual programs there, and codecs |
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| 16:54.45 | asg | Toastie_: actually, it's ##kernelnewbies (my mistake) |
| 16:54.45 | itrebal | beardy: the 1st odd thing i saw, was the config file is at /etc/X11/XF68config-4, but its not saying anything, but when i run xf68config and i configure it, it places it as XF68config, i moved it to -4, and then i restart it, and it restarts saying something about no core devices found? |
| 16:55.01 | asg | itrebal: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 16:55.08 | jetscreamer | !tell ejofee -about w32codecs |
| 16:55.10 | Nom-- | Does anyone have a (text) link for a guide on migrating to 2.6.15 kernel (kernel image with debian testing) |
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| 16:55.26 | Nom-- | i'm having some problems with udev i think...get heaps of boot errors and the filesystems only mount as read only |
| 16:55.30 | jetscreamer | Nom--: don't have an addin controller card |
| 16:55.31 | Ciaran_H | Heya. :) |
| 16:55.33 | beardy | Nom--: migrating? Just install it? |
| 16:55.55 | jetscreamer | !pal beardy |
| 16:55.59 | Nom-- | beardy: It chucks a bit of a hissy fit :/ |
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| 16:56.12 | midas | hi ! |
| 16:56.22 | itrebal | asg: thanks |
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| 16:56.33 | jetscreamer | i went through two weeks of hell with udev and >2.6.13 |
| 16:56.56 | midas | I've got a disabled graphic card ( lspci -vv -> [disabled] ) How I enable it ? |
| 16:56.57 | jetscreamer | Nom--: apt-get install yaird. then apt-get remove udev. |
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| 16:57.25 | beardy | midas: Do you have two graphic cards? |
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| 16:57.26 | javiolo | anyone here uses bitchx ? |
| 16:57.27 | jetscreamer | boot your -386 kernel |
| 16:57.36 | midas | beardy: yes, AGP +PCI |
| 16:57.36 | jetscreamer | aka installer |
| 16:57.38 | beardy | !anyone |
| 16:57.39 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:57.45 | jetscreamer | installer kernel on the hd i mean |
| 16:57.49 | jetscreamer | that first one |
| 16:57.57 | beardy | midas: Which one is "disabled"? |
| 16:58.04 | javiolo | oh ok beardy |
| 16:58.05 | midas | beardy: the PCI one |
| 16:58.17 | beardy | midas: Do you want to use that instead of the other one? |
| 16:58.28 | midas | beardy: no, both |
| 16:58.37 | jetscreamer | javiolo: ppl seem to prefer irssi more around here, ymmv |
| 16:58.38 | javiolo | how do I change to see each chanel window ? |
| 16:58.44 | javiolo | in bitchx |
| 16:58.48 | beardy | midas: Checked your BIOS? |
| 16:58.49 | Nom-- | jetscreamer: surely there's a way to get udev working? |
| 16:58.51 | jetscreamer | /window next i think |
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| 16:58.56 | jetscreamer | Nom--: yes there is |
| 16:59.05 | beardy | javiolo: Tried irssi? |
| 16:59.07 | jetscreamer | udev rules |
| 16:59.13 | javiolo | nope |
| 16:59.19 | midas | beardy: I've configured Xinerama, and it's workin because I can pass the right edge |
| 16:59.21 | jetscreamer | it's in /usr/share/docs/udev iirc |
| 16:59.27 | foksAFK | javiolo: ESC + 1, ESC + 2, etc... |
| 16:59.27 | javiolo | I used bitchx long time ago |
| 16:59.32 | jetscreamer | see also mkinitramfs rules |
| 16:59.36 | beardy | midas: What's the problem then? |
| 16:59.36 | midas | beardy: but the 2nd monitor is black |
| 16:59.39 | jetscreamer | and redoing the initrd |
| 16:59.43 | javiolo | but I dont remember anything |
| 16:59.45 | beardy | midas: ah |
| 16:59.48 | midas | beardy: I'll try with the BIOS |
| 16:59.56 | beardy | midas: Do that. |
| 17:00.02 | javiolo | thanks foksafk |
| 17:00.05 | midas | beardy: ok, thanx ! |
| 17:00.14 | beardy | midas: np, good luck. |
| 17:00.21 | midas | another question.. |
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| 17:00.30 | javiolo | and to beep or colorized when somes say my nick ? |
| 17:00.31 | beardy | !irssi |
| 17:00.31 | dpkg | [irssi] the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package |
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| 17:00.40 | midas | how about Fortran OO on Linux ? |
| 17:00.45 | beardy | javiolo: ^^^if you want to try it |
| 17:00.56 | jetscreamer | there's a fortran compiler available iirc |
| 17:00.58 | midas | any good editor with sintaxis highlight ? |
| 17:01.07 | jetscreamer | !find fortran |
| 17:01.09 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'fortran' (8): cfortran ;; gfortran ;; gfortran-4.0 ;; gfortran-4.0-doc ;; gfortran-doc ;; lib64gfortran0 ;; libgfortran0 ;; libgfortran0-dev. |
| 17:01.21 | jetscreamer | i like gedit, there are many others |
| 17:01.36 | javiolo | beardy ok Ill give a try |
| 17:01.43 | beardy | midas: emacs, vim, jed, lot's of others |
| 17:02.18 | midas | beardy: I've tried xemacs, but it doesn't highlight |
| 17:02.43 | Eulex | midas, you very likely have to enable syntax hilighting. |
| 17:03.07 | petemc | its called something else in emacs speak, font something |
| 17:03.19 | midas | Eulex: it's on, and it works with C, PHP, etc.. but not with Fortran |
| 17:03.26 | beardy | midas: As Eulex says you have to tell it to, perhaps load the correct mode if it doesn't do so automagically. |
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| 17:04.01 | beardy | midas: What language? |
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| 17:04.15 | midas | beardy: Fortran |
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| 17:04.36 | beardy | midas: Should be available, if it isn't, search the web for "emacs fortran mode" or similar. |
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| 17:05.06 | midas | beardy: Eulex : thank you again ! |
| 17:05.14 | dbw | er... quick question... once i've done a "make" for a source package, what's the command to make a .deb? |
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| 17:05.51 | beardy | midas: Alt-x fortran-mode [Enter] |
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| 17:06.07 | mith | dbw: you need to use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:06.10 | fas3r | hi all |
| 17:06.14 | dbw | mith: thank you :) |
| 17:06.17 | mith | dbw: but that runs make and everything for you. |
| 17:06.24 | FlopsyPete | where I'm used to loading Debian from a GRUB boot disk using 'initrd /initrd.img'. With the new udev setup in Testing, do I have to alter that to make it work cos it ain't currently? |
| 17:06.33 | mith | dbw: and unless you made your changes to debian/rules it will build it the default way described in said file |
| 17:06.36 | fas3r | anybody have install the driver from ati site for graphical ati card ..., |
| 17:06.38 | fas3r | ? |
| 17:06.46 | dbw | mith: got it |
| 17:06.47 | mith | dbw: and this only works with debianized source |
| 17:06.48 | Equinox | Anyone have suggestions on diagnosing what is going on with apache returning source code for my php files? Such as how to see if it's loading the php module successfully and such |
| 17:06.54 | Nom-- | FlopsyPete: I'm having issues with 2.6.15 and udev at the moment too :/ |
| 17:06.55 | dbw | i know, i just forgot the command :) |
| 17:07.34 | FlopsyPete | Nom--: what are you rissues? udev error messages on startup (see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=352274) |
| 17:08.32 | daniele83 | does anyone ever found interesting the concept of a "circular" file? that is - when you reach the end, if you want to seek forward you restart from the first bit... it seems very stupid and maybe it is... |
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| 17:09.11 | asg | daniele83: it's similar to a ring buffer (i.e. dmesg(8)) |
| 17:09.11 | Nom-- | FlopsyPete: Is there a way to fix it ? :/ |
| 17:09.56 | FlopsyPete | Nom--: I've heard here, and read in that bug, that its harmless |
| 17:09.58 | jetscreamer | !dbugs 352274 |
| 17:10.02 | dpkg | DONE:#352274:M[udev] linux-image-2.6.15-1-686: udevd-event errors during boot; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:18:12 UTC |
| 17:10.07 | Nom-- | ah i see, fixed in udev/0.084-4 and 0.085-5 |
| 17:10.14 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 17:10.19 | jetscreamer | long thread |
| 17:10.25 | Nom-- | FlopsyPete: Well mine is failing to mount the filesystem correctly |
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| 17:11.05 | FlopsyPete | Nom--: so is mine when I boot kindof manually with a GRUB boot floppy; fine on my other systems tho |
| 17:11.24 | jetscreamer | however, here the grub boot floppy didn't work either |
| 17:11.27 | Nom-- | yeah...i don't know if it's related to the udev bug |
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| 17:11.51 | jetscreamer | a -386 kernel isn't affected |
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| 17:12.26 | Nom-- | so if i load linux-image-2.6.15-1-386 it will work? |
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| 17:13.31 | fas3r | because when i make fglrxinfo i don't see ati driver |
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| 17:13.42 | fas3r | it's see this http://pastebin.com/565239 |
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| 17:15.35 | fas3r | i think i have found i come back |
| 17:15.44 | Coweater | is there any way to handle inline intel syntax assembly with gcc/g++? |
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| 17:15.59 | bbrazil | Coweater: asm |
| 17:16.16 | juice` | does anyone know any backup tool ? other that tar (too complicated when i want to do incremental backups) |
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| 17:16.23 | roaet | Hello. |
| 17:16.26 | jetscreamer | amanda, others |
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| 17:16.36 | asg | juice`: backuppc and bacula are others that are easier to use. |
| 17:16.38 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search backup maybe |
| 17:16.39 | roaet | I'm having issues installing my Intel Wireless 2100. |
| 17:16.48 | Coweater | bbrazil: mind elaborating? |
| 17:17.00 | bbrazil | Coweater: the asm keyword |
| 17:17.16 | FlopsyPete | jetscreamer: thanks for the tip, I booted fine using the -386 I keep installed for such eventualities |
| 17:17.19 | Coweater | yes, then you get the gnu assembler which uses at&t syntax afaik |
| 17:17.37 | juice` | asg: apt-cache doesnt find bacula hmmm |
| 17:17.38 | jetscreamer | yay team |
| 17:17.39 | bbrazil | Coweater: did you check the manpage? |
| 17:17.53 | jetscreamer | !find bacula |
| 17:17.55 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'bacula' (14): bacula ;; bacula-client ;; bacula-common ;; bacula-console ;; bacula-console-gnome ;; bacula-director-common ;; bacula-director-mysql ;; bacula-director-pgsql ;; bacula-director-sqlite ;; bacula-doc ;; bacula-fd ;; bacula-sd ;; bacula-server ;; bacula-wxconsole. |
| 17:17.57 | roaet | I have the module installed correctly. I just don't know how to activate my wireless. |
| 17:18.04 | asg | juice`: are you using testing? |
| 17:18.09 | juice` | asg: yes |
| 17:18.13 | asg | Coweater: #c is also a good resource |
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| 17:18.19 | asg | juice`: /msg dpkg why is bacula not in testing |
| 17:18.34 | asg | roaet: man 7 wireless ; man 5 interfaces |
| 17:18.41 | roaet | Thank you. |
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| 17:18.56 | asg | roaet: if you don't have the first one, make sure to install the 'wireless-tools' package. |
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| 17:19.11 | Coweater | bbrazil: checked it before, dunno why i didn't search for that keyword last time, thanks |
| 17:19.46 | roaet | I do have it. I will try it. Does it matter that when I run iwconfig it lists through my eth* but none have "wireless extensions" |
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| 17:20.35 | Nom-- | run iwconfig -a |
| 17:20.41 | Nom-- | (if you haven't already) |
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| 17:20.50 | Nom-- | If nothing comes up with wireless then the kernel driver isn't loaded |
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| 17:21.53 | debianito_ | wow |
| 17:22.15 | roaet | I got, no such device. |
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| 17:22.27 | roaet | I'm assuming that my kernel driver is not loaded. =\ |
| 17:22.32 | roaet | Although it says it is with lsmod. |
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| 17:22.53 | Eulex | roaet, check dmesg. |
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| 17:22.59 | debianito_ | Hi i´m trying to install debian...one problem: its asking me to choose between: kerne-image-2.6.8-2-386 or kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386....which should I choose pls? I guess it´s better the 2.6 write? |
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| 17:23.04 | Nom-- | my mistake...doesn't have that command |
| 17:23.16 | Nom-- | try iwconfig eth0;iwconfig eth1;iwconfig eth2 |
| 17:23.35 | Nom-- | see if it comes up with wireless data...you might find the interface isn't active (hence iwconfig with nothing after it doesn't show anything) |
| 17:23.38 | Silent_al | debianito_ choose 2.6 |
| 17:23.43 | Silent_al | 2.4 is old . |
| 17:23.47 | Eulex | debianito_, 2.4.27 is more stable, 2.6.8 has better hardware support and is much faster. |
| 17:24.00 | stew | much? |
| 17:24.07 | debianito_ | tx!! definetly 2.6! |
| 17:24.16 | Nom-- | woot new version of udev on my next-closest mirror :D |
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| 17:24.41 | roaet | ipw2100: eth1: Firmware 'ipw2100-1.3.fw' not available or load failed. |
| 17:24.44 | jetscreamer | heh yet another victim of 2.6+udev approaceth |
| 17:24.45 | roaet | I think I found my issue. |
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| 17:24.50 | jetscreamer | approacheth |
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| 17:25.01 | Nom-- | hehe |
| 17:25.04 | Nom-- | it's no big deal |
| 17:25.07 | Eulex | stew, in my experience, yes. might be that 2.4.27 uses scsi emulation on this machine, though. |
| 17:25.12 | Nom-- | if it get in too much trouble, this is a brand new install :P |
| 17:25.20 | Nom-- | nothing stopping me from wiping and starting again :P |
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| 17:25.49 | roaet | In addition to my wireless issue, is there a way I can check to see if my Nvidia card is installed correctly? |
| 17:25.54 | Prudhvi | hmm, i upgraded Gtk and all of a sudden i cant see text in XMMS ? |
| 17:25.57 | jetscreamer | i had a hd space limitation, only 350gigs available |
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| 17:26.13 | Silent_al | Nom-- , did u get that endless missing "udev_run_devd" error on startup too? |
| 17:26.14 | Eulex | jetscreamer, ahem... "only"? |
| 17:26.16 | Nesquick | i have a litle problem |
| 17:26.17 | Nom-- | roaet: Does the screen turn on? If so, the card is installed correctly :) |
| 17:26.23 | Nesquick | i just installed memtest86+ |
| 17:26.25 | Nesquick | but... |
| 17:26.31 | Nom-- | Silent_al: That, and the filesystem only mounts in read only |
| 17:26.32 | Nesquick | what is the comand? |
| 17:26.36 | roaet | Nom--, hehe clever. I was more or less speaking of OpenGL support. |
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| 17:26.40 | Eulex | Nesquick, dpkg -L pkgname |
| 17:26.40 | jetscreamer | one big hd, other small ones |
| 17:26.45 | thingfish | Nesquick: you must boot to it. |
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| 17:26.46 | jetscreamer | add in controller |
| 17:26.51 | Nesquick | how? |
| 17:26.55 | Nom-- | roaet: You'll need to download the drivers from nVidia and install them |
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| 17:27.08 | Nom-- | roaet: They don't come stock standard with anything i've seen so far |
| 17:27.12 | roaet | Is there a way to test to see if they are already installed? |
| 17:27.14 | roaet | I see. |
| 17:27.15 | Eulex | roaet, glxinfo| grep direct |
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| 17:27.18 | Nom-- | woot brb rebooting to test udev |
| 17:27.19 | thingfish | Nesquick: burn it to a cd or write it to a floppy. See their website for more info. |
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| 17:27.23 | User1103 | which of the source cds has the ipw2100 driver on it? |
| 17:27.29 | roaet | Ah, no. |
| 17:27.44 | jetscreamer | nvidiaglx that's in etch is incompatible with xorg |
| 17:27.44 | User1103 | I only have access to wireless network at the moment. |
| 17:27.45 | Eulex | Nesquick, type dpkg -L pkgname in a terminal where pkgname is the name of the package. |
| 17:28.02 | Eulex | !which cd |
| 17:28.02 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 17:28.14 | asg | !cd contents |
| 17:28.14 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 17:28.17 | asg | bah |
| 17:28.38 | roaet | poo |
| 17:28.40 | roaet | gotta kill X |
| 17:28.42 | roaet | brb |
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| 17:29.06 | jetscreamer | yeh there are like 3 or 5 different versions of the same factoid, for apparently >2 factoids, so i would assume many |
| 17:29.13 | User1103 | thanks |
| 17:29.24 | jetscreamer | exact duplicates except for the names |
| 17:29.36 | renquanta | I'm interested in installing some software written in Java, and I see Kaffe in the list. When I look to see what it would install, however, it has a list of dependencies a mile long, including things like X and GTK, etc. I'm a recent switch from Gentoo, and was wondering if Debian has a way to switch off optional features that would trigger such dependencies. If not, is there a more light-weight JVM that I could use? |
| 17:29.38 | Eulex | no, they aren't duplicate |
| 17:29.42 | Eulex | !literal which cd |
| 17:29.42 | dpkg | "#debian which cd" is "<reply> see cd contents" |
| 17:29.43 | asg | !literal cd contents |
| 17:29.43 | dpkg | "#debian cd contents" is "<reply> To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt" |
| 17:29.47 | Eulex | they link to eachother |
| 17:29.54 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 17:30.18 | asg | renquanta: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 17:30.28 | Nom-- | nope, no luck :( |
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| 17:30.43 | jetscreamer | what did you try |
| 17:30.53 | Nom-- | Later version of udev |
| 17:30.56 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:31.04 | Nom-- | one which supposedly fixes the errors |
| 17:31.09 | Nom-- | but no good, still dies |
| 17:31.09 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 17:31.18 | renquanta | asg: thanks, trying |
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| 17:31.34 | roaet | poo |
| 17:31.35 | jetscreamer | check this: |
| 17:31.37 | roaet | broke my x |
| 17:31.41 | Nom-- | and it still fails to mount the filesystem properly (so i have to load into the old kernel) |
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| 17:31.44 | jetscreamer | no matter what you put, it becomes the opposite |
| 17:32.10 | roaet | what is the apt-get for linuxsources? |
| 17:32.12 | amee2k | how can i enable the tv out of a geforce2 on debian/3.1 ? |
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| 17:32.23 | jetscreamer | !find linux-source |
| 17:32.27 | dpkg | linux-source-2.6.15: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.15 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.15-6 (sid), Packaged size: 38466 kB, Installed size: 38568 kB |
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| 17:32.32 | roaet | thank you |
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| 17:32.47 | jetscreamer | amee2k: configuring xorg.conf |
| 17:32.48 | faber2 | while building a 2.6.15 kernel with make-kpkg i get: Assembler messages: |
| 17:32.48 | faber2 | {standard input}:5693: Error: value of ffffffffffffff7f too large for field of 1 bytes at 0000000000002d9f |
| 17:32.52 | faber2 | any ideas? |
| 17:33.17 | amee2k | jetscreamer: i din't run an X server. I'm on command line |
| 17:33.21 | amee2k | *don't |
| 17:33.45 | Silent_al | guys , bash almost kills my cpu. it takes about 50% of processor useage.. :( is it a known bug? |
| 17:33.45 | jetscreamer | not sure then. try #nvidia maybe |
| 17:33.47 | Nom-- | There shouldn't be any problems using 2.6.15 with ReiserFS, should there? |
| 17:33.51 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 17:33.54 | roaet | During the install process there is this package selection thing, that I accidentally went through too fast... Is there a way that I can run that again? |
| 17:34.01 | jetscreamer | it's not the fs |
| 17:34.04 | Eulex | faber2, http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-bugs/2005-03/msg03131.html |
| 17:34.10 | thingfish | Silent_al: check BTS. |
| 17:34.11 | jetscreamer | have files that can't be read? |
| 17:34.12 | asg | roaet: tasksel |
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| 17:34.26 | asg | roaet: if that isn't it, try dselect. |
| 17:34.33 | thingfish | !tell Silent_al about bts. |
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| 17:34.42 | Nom-- | most of the messages fly past...but some of the errors i'm seeing are premission denied when trying to write |
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| 17:34.46 | Silent_al | thingfishת שךרןעי×ט |
| 17:34.49 | Silent_al | oops |
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| 17:34.52 | thingfish | hehe |
| 17:34.53 | Silent_al | thingfish, alrighty |
| 17:34.56 | Silent_al | thanx |
| 17:35.00 | Nom-- | so as far as i can tell it's not properly mounting the filesystem when it should |
| 17:35.13 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
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| 17:35.24 | faber2 | Eulex: mmmhhh.. i am not an expert when it comes to compilers, where could i remove the "-ftracer" for my build process? |
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| 17:35.34 | jetscreamer | i remember typing something |
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| 17:35.56 | Eulex | faber2, I don't know, I just googled. what processor are you optimizing for and what version of gcc? |
| 17:36.06 | ccg | how to fix xine and gxine in etch ? |
| 17:36.11 | roaet | hrm. now I wonder, where does apt-get put the linux-sources afterwards? does it not make the link to /usr/src/linux? |
| 17:36.14 | faber2 | Eulex: 3.4, k6 |
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| 17:37.38 | LinuxNIT | how do i uninstall a kernel i comiled? i left somthing out so i dont need it |
| 17:37.57 | Eulex | faber2, you could try optimizing for 686 or so, there shouldn't be any bigger difference in speed. or maybe you could get gcc 4.0? |
| 17:38.05 | asg | LinuxNIT: did you use make-kpkg or just install it manually? |
| 17:38.12 | Eulex | LinuxNIT, if you compiled the debian way, just apt-get remove it. |
| 17:38.14 | fatbrain | what would be the url to the test-branch ? |
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| 17:38.15 | LinuxNIT | manuall |
| 17:38.20 | fatbrain | I need to add it to my sources.list |
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| 17:38.42 | Eulex | fatbrain, just copy your existing one and replace sarge with etch or similar. |
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| 17:39.10 | asg | LinuxNIT: then just delete the kernel, its initrd (if it has one), and the /lib/modules/<kernel version> directory. Also, edit your boot loader config |
| 17:39.13 | fatbrain | heh, I don't even have 'sarge' in my sources |
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| 17:39.26 | LinuxNIT | k thanks asg |
| 17:39.35 | Eulex | fatbrain, well, what do you have? |
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| 17:40.00 | roaet | how do I make the link in /usr/src/linux to /usr/src/linux-source... |
| 17:40.01 | roaet | ? |
| 17:40.06 | fatbrain | stable / main |
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| 17:40.14 | roaet | ln -l is it? |
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| 17:40.46 | faber2 | Eulex: yeah, you are right. the machine which compiles is so *slow* that i dont want to make changes. i simply skip building the module which did not build for now :-) |
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| 17:41.10 | nonix4 | Hmm, W. Akkerman ain't here? What was his nick again? :-) |
| 17:41.14 | fatbrain | Eulex: "deb http://.../ stable main" |
| 17:41.16 | bmf | where am i!?! |
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| 17:41.33 | asg | nonix4: it's likely the same as his @debian.org name |
| 17:41.48 | Eulex | fatbrain, copy and replace with testing if you want both. replace stable with testing if you want just testing. /msg dpkg releases, btw. |
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| 17:42.14 | fatbrain | ok, thanks |
| 17:42.23 | Eulex | s/with testing/stable with testing |
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| 17:42.34 | asg | nonix4: but in this case, I'm wrong. It's 'wiggy' according to people.debian.org |
| 17:42.38 | Eulex | fatal_, yw :) |
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| 17:42.49 | asg | !seen wiggy |
| 17:42.50 | dpkg | wiggy <wichert@levante.wiggy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 221d 1h 45m 45s ago, saying: 'thanks'. |
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| 17:43.18 | cisse | hrm so i have this mini itx box i want to install debian on, but it has no monitor port only serial, should i install over serial or just take the drives out ? |
| 17:43.20 | asg | datr1x: who owns you |
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| 17:43.40 | asg | who owns datr1x ? |
| 17:44.15 | rilat | Is there any way to list the package's contents using apt commands (As I would get with dpkg -L packagesName)? |
| 17:44.23 | nonix4 | asg: well, he seems to be online, just not on any channels dpkg knows of... |
| 17:44.38 | Eulex | rilat, umh, why? dpkg -L does it very well. |
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| 17:44.47 | asg | nonix4: on his way home. Hope he didn't set off 221d days ago. That would be bad :) |
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| 17:44.57 | roaet | AHhhh |
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| 17:45.04 | roaet | the dists are so different |
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| 17:45.11 | nonix4 | asg: yup, that'd definitely be bad |
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| 17:45.35 | rilat | Eulex, yes but I've read somewhere that it would be better to use apt tools than dpkg... |
| 17:45.44 | asg | !ops no rush so don't panic but datr1x is a bot that you might want to investigate / castigate / castrate (depending on preferences) |
| 17:45.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: no rush so don't panic but datr1x is a bot that you might want to investigate / castigate / castrate (depending on preferences) |
| 17:46.00 | asg | !seen foo |
| 17:46.00 | dpkg | foo <n=foo@unaffiliated/foo> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 9h 15m 5s ago, saying: 'hm'. |
| 17:46.29 | Eulex | rilat, not in this case. that's just when installing packages, then it's much easier to use apt-get than dpkg -i all packages. |
| 17:47.06 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:47.06 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:47.13 | azeem | asg: why do you think it is a bot? |
| 17:47.25 | asg | azeem: it is responding to !seen foo |
| 17:47.33 | rilat | Eulex, ok, thank, I'd missundersoot that |
| 17:47.46 | asg | azeem: 12:47 [debian] -datr1x(n=kkdg@cpc1-bolt6-4-0-cust178.manc.cable.ntl.com)- >>> I last saw foo 2days 8hrs 32mins ago parting #remote-exploit |
| 17:48.27 | azeem | !seen gravity |
| 17:48.27 | dpkg | gravity <~david@pool-151-203-48-188.bos.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 13h 38m 55s ago, saying: 'aj: It's ripe for your handiwork'. |
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| 17:50.37 | rilat | Eulex, apt-file command does that.... |
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| 17:51.34 | Eulex | rilat, I didn't know that, but anyway, apt-file is not part of the base. |
| 17:52.36 | rilat | Eulex, yes indeed... it comes in the apt-file package... |
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| 17:54.22 | Eulex | rilat, yep. but it can list files in packages that aren't installed. dpkg -L or -S can't do that. |
| 17:54.43 | roaet | debian is so much easier than gentoo to set up, but I find it harder to customize for some reason.. but I <3 it so far. |
| 17:55.02 | jhujhiti | Why can't I install gnome 2.12 properly? I'm running unstable amd64. When I apt-get install gnome, it tells me it depends on two packages. When i add those two, it depends on more and more and more. It's like it's not pulling in deps... |
| 17:55.33 | azeem | jhujhiti: does it mention any errors? |
| 17:55.38 | rilat | Eulex, I'm reading that... but, have you tried to list the files of a package with apt-file? I get nothing.... |
| 17:55.39 | Eulex | jhujhiti, what exactly does it tell you? also, you're running unstable. unstable does break sometimes. |
| 17:55.50 | Eulex | rilat, you need to run apt-file update first. |
| 17:55.50 | jhujhiti | azeem: just the unmet dependencies thingie |
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| 17:55.59 | valdyn | jhujhiti: gnome is not completely installable in amd64 / unstable at the moment |
| 17:56.12 | jhujhiti | valdyn: ick =( |
| 17:56.20 | starfishy | jhujhiti: you should not run unstable unless you know what you are doing |
| 17:56.33 | rilat | Eulex, aha, it makes sense... |
| 17:56.49 | starfishy | jhujhiti: use testing, that usually runs quite well |
| 17:56.58 | jhujhiti | "old" isn't my idea of stable. |
| 17:56.59 | bartden | hi, i found some mirrors on debian-unofficial (http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian-cd/) , what should i add to sources.list so apt-get update works |
| 17:57.20 | jelly | Is it normal for top on a recent 2.6 kernel to display strange data in WCHAN column? I get numbers or "stext" for about hald the processes. |
| 17:57.24 | Eulex | starfishy, except that testing is quite broken atm, with the libfreetype6/libxft2 breakage. |
| 17:57.31 | jhujhiti | starfishy: is the order not stable > unstable > testing > experimental? |
| 17:57.38 | azeem | jhujhiti: no |
| 17:57.48 | starfishy | eulex: i didnt know that, i run unstable |
| 17:57.50 | valdyn | jhujhiti: no |
| 17:57.58 | valdyn | !experimental |
| 17:57.58 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 17:58.05 | jhujhiti | stable > testing > unstable > experimental then? |
| 17:58.09 | starfishy | jhujhiti: no. stable ->testing ->unstable ->experimental |
| 17:58.32 | jhujhiti | what kind of version lag are we talking about between stable and testing? |
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| 17:58.48 | Eulex | jelly, I get rest_init on most on a 2.6.14 kernel. |
| 17:58.52 | valdyn | jhujhiti: that depends on when the last stable was released |
| 17:58.55 | starfishy | stable became frozen sometime last spring if memory serves me right |
| 17:59.09 | starfishy | stable as in sarge |
| 17:59.18 | starfishy | kernel in stable is 2.6.8 |
| 17:59.41 | jhujhiti | aye. but testing only gets frozen before a release? so testing has reasonably new packages? |
| 17:59.48 | jelly | Eulex: well, at least I know it doesn't work somewhere else too. |
| 17:59.57 | Eulex | jhujhiti, stable has gnome 2.8 if my memory serves me well. |
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| 18:00.03 | valdyn | jhujhiti: if you want a 'bleeding' edge system, install sarge, then _carefully_ upgrade to testing or unstable |
| 18:00.16 | jhujhiti | i'm basically looking for an equivilent to gentoo's stable branch. stuff that has been verify to work (usually *grumble*) but not so old as to lack features |
| 18:00.42 | Eulex | jelly, what is it supposed to show? those rest_init strings for most things? |
| 18:00.43 | disposable | jhujhiti: stable + backports |
| 18:00.58 | valdyn | jhujhiti: which feature are you missing in sarge? |
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| 18:01.09 | jelly | Eulex: supposed to show what system function the process is currently in. |
| 18:01.18 | starfishy | valdyn: if someone really wants to run sid it is better to install sid right away. ask me how i know |
| 18:01.27 | jfs | dpkg: tell jhujhiti about iyhtays |
| 18:01.28 | jhujhiti | valdyn: *shrug* the idea of not being current makes me sad ;P |
| 18:01.34 | valdyn | starfishy: i disagree |
| 18:01.35 | Eulex | jelly, what kernel version? |
| 18:02.21 | jelly | Eulex: 2.6.15 |
| 18:02.25 | jelly | .4 |
| 18:02.35 | jhujhiti | valdyn: for example, gnome. the latest "stable"/"current" according to them is 2.12.something. so that's what i want. |
| 18:02.51 | Bucciarati | how do i search all packages with a specific "Tag:" ??!? |
| 18:02.52 | jelly | procps 3.2.5-1 or 3.2.6-2 (I tried unstable just for fun) |
| 18:02.56 | disposable | valdyn: i agree with starfishy. 2.6.8 doesn't have modules for many modern NICs |
| 18:03.09 | jelly | Eulex: for example, this looks ok for klogd: 3540 root 0 0 2476 324 268 syslog S 0.0 0.0 0:03 /sbin/klogd |
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| 18:03.21 | Bucciarati | (i have tried debtags) |
| 18:03.27 | valdyn | disposable: higher kernels run just fine in sarge |
| 18:03.45 | Eulex | disposable, there are backports. |
| 18:03.58 | disposable | valdyn: do you get them on install cd? no. |
| 18:04.09 | jhujhiti | if i change from unstable to stable, will apt downgrade the packages automagically? |
| 18:04.15 | valdyn | disposable: yea, off unofficial installer(s) |
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| 18:04.29 | valdyn | !downgrade |
| 18:04.29 | dpkg | i guess downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. |
| 18:04.30 | Eulex | jhujhiti, no. |
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| 18:04.49 | tarzeau | someone's got aim? i want to test my aim gnustep messenger application... |
| 18:04.50 | jhujhiti | Eulex: how do i do that, then? |
| 18:05.06 | Eulex | jhujhiti, you don't. |
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| 18:05.57 | jhujhiti | so there's no reasonably easy way to move back? |
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| 18:05.59 | disposable | Eulex: had i known about backports month ago, i would NEVER have switched to testing. |
| 18:06.10 | Ronin | jhujhiti: short of reinstalling? no |
| 18:06.14 | starscalling | hum |
| 18:06.29 | starscalling | whats the difference b/t the netinstall and the business card image? |
| 18:06.43 | jhujhiti | starscalling: netinstal has the basic packages on the cd |
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| 18:06.53 | starscalling | the bci dls it all? |
| 18:06.54 | disposable | starscalling: more downloading afterwards with bizcard |
| 18:06.55 | Eulex | starscalling, the netinstall includes a base system, so you're not fucked if it doesn't detect your nic |
| 18:06.59 | jhujhiti | starscalling: whereas buisinesscard has only what is needed to fetch those packages |
| 18:07.12 | starscalling | o thats fine i can get away with the bci then |
| 18:07.22 | starscalling | it still looks the same from my end as long as inet is good right? |
| 18:07.29 | starscalling | [except more downloading of course] ? |
| 18:07.34 | Eulex | starscalling, yes. |
| 18:07.40 | starscalling | yeah thats fine ill get that then |
| 18:07.48 | jhujhiti | if your internet connection is fast enough, you might not even notice a difference. |
| 18:07.49 | starscalling | been running ubuntu for a while.. kinda tired of it :P |
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| 18:08.04 | starscalling | jhujhiti, i get about 600KB/s from kernel.org :D |
| 18:08.21 | starscalling | yeah just did a vanilla install in my other comp |
| 18:08.24 | starscalling | thought about it |
| 18:08.24 | jhujhiti | starscalling: that's not "fast" in my book =\ |
| 18:08.30 | langosta1 | hola |
| 18:08.32 | starscalling | yeah mine either jhujhiti |
| 18:08.35 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:08.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:08.40 | starscalling | i have a couple 100mbits |
| 18:08.42 | starscalling | :/ |
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| 18:08.52 | starscalling | what i need is a gigE line to the house \o/ |
| 18:09.02 | jhujhiti | can i have some of that money? |
| 18:09.06 | starscalling | heh |
| 18:09.07 | starscalling | no no |
| 18:09.09 | starscalling | for free though |
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| 18:09.09 | starscalling | :D |
| 18:09.14 | starscalling | or like 85 a month |
| 18:09.15 | starscalling | XD |
| 18:09.19 | jhujhiti | ah, well we all need that. |
| 18:09.22 | starscalling | yeah. |
| 18:09.23 | jhujhiti | i need lots of free stuff |
| 18:09.35 | starscalling | so in the mean time ill be happy with my servers and current internet.. |
| 18:09.37 | roaet | is KDE 4 available for debian yet? |
| 18:09.44 | starscalling | though i might end up upgrading to 8mbit |
| 18:09.46 | starscalling | :P |
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| 18:10.01 | disposable | roaet: kde4 isnt available for anything yet |
| 18:10.07 | roaet | ... |
| 18:10.17 | roaet | disposable: you make me sad =( |
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| 18:10.33 | langosta1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.40 | disposable | roaet: cheer up, there's ncurses ;) |
| 18:10.49 | roaet | i've somehow managed to crash the debian installer |
| 18:10.56 | disposable | roaet: with 256 colours now |
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| 18:11.11 | Eulex | roaet, if you run in an xterm |
| 18:11.22 | roaet | ? |
| 18:11.26 | starscalling | i do wanna install etch though.. |
| 18:11.27 | langosta1 | hola |
| 18:11.36 | starscalling | how is the install for that? |
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| 18:11.48 | jhujhiti | what kind of version lag is there between stable+backports and the current versions of each package from their official sources? |
| 18:11.49 | Eulex | starscalling, install sarge, then dist-upgrade to etch. |
| 18:11.54 | starscalling | o: |
| 18:11.56 | starscalling | yeah? |
| 18:12.02 | starscalling | why do you recommend that Eulex ? |
| 18:12.09 | langosta1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.16 | starscalling | i would like to start with xorg from the begining.. |
| 18:12.17 | Ronin | langosta1: keep trying your almost there |
| 18:12.19 | Eulex | starscalling, because the etch installer is beta |
| 18:12.25 | starscalling | lol |
| 18:12.27 | starscalling | how bad is it? |
| 18:12.36 | langosta1 | speak spanish |
| 18:12.38 | langosta1 | ? |
| 18:12.39 | Eulex | starscalling, it's beta, and that's what matters |
| 18:12.45 | starscalling | lol |
| 18:12.47 | asg | langosta1: nyet, /j #debian-es |
| 18:12.51 | Ronin | !es |
| 18:12.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:13.01 | Eulex | langosta1, stop advertising or you'll end up banned. |
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| 18:13.12 | starscalling | ive got one thats about 5 months old... on the beta installer.. hm |
| 18:13.17 | yang | iptables -t nat -A postrouting -o eth1 -j SNAT --to-source IP-address |
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| 18:13.32 | roaet | yeah |
| 18:13.35 | langosta1 | Eulex IDont understand |
| 18:13.39 | roaet | I've managed to completely screw the debian installer |
| 18:13.46 | langosta1 | ISpeak spanish |
| 18:13.47 | roaet | how wonderful |
| 18:13.47 | Eulex | langosta1, /join #debian-es |
| 18:13.54 | Ronin | Eulex: dont think its advertising, just they cant figure out how to join another channel :) |
| 18:14.03 | Eulex | Ronin, hehe, maybe :) |
| 18:14.05 | asg | langosta1: no hablamos espanol aqui |
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| 18:14.16 | boguh | is urxvt not available in debian? |
| 18:14.21 | Eulex | asg, umh, ain't that an oxymoron? |
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| 18:14.24 | lazzarello | mrxvt is |
| 18:14.32 | roaet | Um. |
| 18:14.36 | langosta1 | I am trining x-chat |
| 18:14.37 | Prudhvi | is take screenshot option removed in Etch ? |
| 18:14.49 | langosta1 | where lives us? |
| 18:14.54 | Eulex | Prudhvi, use scrot or import -w root. |
| 18:14.59 | asg | Eulex: possibly, I only know how to order beer in Malaga |
| 18:15.02 | roaet | Say that you're installing debian, and it's getting the base files, and you shut off your computer during that process. Then when you try to install again, it says, "you have basefiles already and it has screwed up everything" |
| 18:15.08 | Eulex | asg, hehe :) |
| 18:15.16 | roaet | Then I say poo and restart and then it gets to partitioning and it locks up. |
| 18:15.18 | roaet | Is that bad? |
| 18:15.19 | disposable | somebody k-line him (langosta1) please |
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| 18:15.43 | Ronin | disposable: hardly worth a kline |
| 18:15.57 | Eulex | roaet, you could try cleaning the partition table first. |
| 18:15.58 | Prudhvi | Eulex, but, when i press print screen it has to get me a screenshot right |
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| 18:16.07 | roaet | how does one do that Eulex? |
| 18:16.11 | Eulex | Prudhvi, no |
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| 18:16.36 | boguh | lazzarello sure its the same? |
| 18:16.40 | Prudhvi | Eulex, then how do i do that. when i press Print Screen |
| 18:16.48 | lazzarello | boguh, no. but it has tabs! |
| 18:16.50 | Eulex | roaet, use any partitioning program, like cfdisk (preferred) or fdisk |
| 18:17.06 | boguh | lazzarello but i want e regular urxvt |
| 18:17.12 | boguh | no tabs |
| 18:17.13 | Eulex | Prudhvi, set up print screen to run whatever command you want. |
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| 18:17.16 | roaet | can i just use the debian installer parition utility? |
| 18:17.21 | plean | Is there a verion of debian that runs on 64 bit procs? |
| 18:17.25 | debianito_ | hi this is ther first time i´m trying to initialize my debian and I get this error: ACPI: IRQ9 SCI : Edge set to Level Trigger |
| 18:17.30 | asg | plean: sparc does |
| 18:17.37 | plean | Sparc |
| 18:17.38 | plean | ok |
| 18:17.40 | Prudhvi | Eulex, generally what command that would be |
| 18:17.47 | asg | plean: also, amd64 |
| 18:17.50 | debianito_ | I found in google that I have to change one parameter in grubb |
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| 18:17.58 | debianito_ | apic = off but how?? pls |
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| 18:18.12 | Eulex | Prudhvi, scrot foo.png or import -w root foo.png |
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| 18:18.18 | yang | I added this line for my LAN routing...but I cannot access the internet from LAN ? |
| 18:18.20 | Eulex | debianito_, in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:18.20 | disposable | asg: that wasn't nice |
| 18:18.21 | lesshaste | can anyone get make menuconfig/xconfig to work for 2.6.16-rc4-mm1? It completely fails for me |
| 18:18.22 | yang | iptables -t nat -A postrouting -o eth1 -j SNAT --to-source IP-address |
| 18:18.28 | asg | debianito_: pass 'noapic' to the kernel |
| 18:18.31 | starscalling | ok |
| 18:18.33 | jhujhiti | asg: actually, sparc only has a 64 bit kernel. the userland is 32bit as glibc has not been properly ported yet |
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| 18:18.39 | starscalling | ill be back in an hour on debian etch |
| 18:18.42 | starscalling | or less \o/ |
| 18:18.43 | eeyore- | morning |
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| 18:18.47 | valdyn | lesshaste: why would you try compiling that kernel when you have to ask such a question ? |
| 18:18.49 | abrotman | lazy westerners |
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| 18:18.58 | lesshaste | valdyn: sorry? |
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| 18:18.58 | disposable | jhujhiti: isnt sparc dropped yet? |
| 18:19.08 | asg | jhujhiti: he asked for a version that ran on 64bit procs, not one that had a 64bit userland |
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| 18:19.26 | abrotman | disposable: it won't be dropped |
| 18:19.29 | boguh | so urxvt not available in debian testing? |
| 18:19.34 | valdyn | lesshaste: why are you trying to compile an experimental kernel ? |
| 18:19.35 | Eulex | lesshaste, what error? about ncurses? |
| 18:19.40 | disposable | jhujhiti: i thought debian dropped 7 of its 11 ports. or not? |
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| 18:19.43 | jhujhiti | asg: true. then you have to ask yourself how much you want to assume about what he knows. does he think 64bit == amd64? =) |
| 18:19.45 | debianito_ | asg and how I have to pass noapic to kernel?? |
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| 18:19.49 | abrotman | disposable: you misread .. stop reading slashdot |
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| 18:19.58 | disposable | abrotman: :) |
| 18:20.03 | asg | debianito_: are you using grub or lilo? |
| 18:20.04 | lesshaste | valdyn: to finish my bug reporting |
| 18:20.05 | jhujhiti | disposable: no idea. |
| 18:20.08 | debianito_ | grub |
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| 18:20.15 | lesshaste | Eulex: drivers/scsi/Kconfig:245: can't open file "drivers/scsi/sas/Kconfig" |
| 18:20.15 | disposable | abrotman: i actually read it in Linux User & Developer |
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| 18:20.33 | Eulex | lesshaste, hmm, dunno |
| 18:20.33 | Guerin | is that some magazine>? |
| 18:20.41 | Guerin | for fucing idiots, or something |
| 18:20.41 | disposable | Guerin: yes |
| 18:20.44 | lesshaste | Eulex: I think it might be broken |
| 18:20.53 | abrotman | disposable: there are conditions that must be met in order for an architecture to be supported for a *release* .. it doesn't mean debian will all the sudden drop those architectures |
| 18:21.01 | fatbrain | is there a command I can use to see what packages I've currently installed on my machine? |
| 18:21.02 | langosta1 | I Where lived? |
| 18:21.07 | abrotman | !installed |
| 18:21.07 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 18:21.10 | Guerin | who hope, on day, if their wildest dreams come true, to be a Linux User Or Developer |
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| 18:21.13 | asg | disposable: append 'noapic' to the end of the 'kernel' line for whichever kernels listed you want to alter. |
| 18:21.14 | Guerin | ? |
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| 18:21.27 | disposable | abrotman: so no more releases for those platforms? |
| 18:21.28 | roaet | ok |
| 18:21.29 | asg | Guerin: man, you are on the sauce tonight! :) |
| 18:21.31 | roaet | I cleaned the partition table |
| 18:21.32 | roaet | completely |
| 18:21.40 | langosta1 | where are your from, please? |
| 18:21.41 | Eulex | langosta1, there's not debian livecd. |
| 18:21.42 | disposable | asg: you sure this was meant for me? |
| 18:21.51 | asg | disposable: sorry, my mistake |
| 18:22.04 | asg | debianito_: append 'noapic' to the end of the 'kernel' line for whichever kernels listed you want to alter. |
| 18:22.31 | Guerin | asg: me? drunk? NEVAR! |
| 18:22.35 | asg | Eulex: A/S/L, without the AS |
| 18:22.40 | debianito_ | ok asg but I don´t know how to do that |
| 18:22.47 | debianito_ | i cannot even start debian |
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| 18:23.00 | disposable | for 1440x900 framebuffer, what vga=.... do i have to pass to the kernel? |
| 18:23.08 | abrotman | disposable: that's not what it means .. google "Debian vancouver" .. see what comes up |
| 18:23.21 | asg | debianito_: oh, then at the 'boot: ' prompt of the installer, type 'linux26 noapic' or 'linux noapic' (the latter if you want a 2.4 instead of 2.6 kernel) |
| 18:23.26 | Guerin | disposable: nobody needs a 1440x900 framebuffer |
| 18:23.37 | starfishy | 1440x900 is not a vesa resolution, so you cant pass the native vga= to it |
| 18:23.41 | Guerin | debianito_: use 1024x768 like reasonable people |
| 18:23.43 | Eulex | asg, I guess it's enough to look at my realname or at the homepage of my isp. |
| 18:23.43 | abrotman | disposable: or check updates from the RM |
| 18:23.45 | Guerin | disposable: sorreh |
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| 18:24.20 | starfishy | guerin: i run a 1400x1050 framebuffer, whats wrong with that? |
| 18:24.22 | asg | Eulex: I think he's just being chatty. We could send him to #hottub |
| 18:24.29 | disposable | abrotman: wtf RM? |
| 18:24.32 | starfishy | 1400x1050 does have a vga= parameter though |
| 18:24.35 | zamaliphe | what i need to copile the krnel ???? |
| 18:24.35 | abrotman | !rm |
| 18:24.36 | dpkg | somebody said rm was used to delete a file (syntax: rm <file>), or the Grim File Reaper, or really just a wrapper 'round unlink(2) RealMedia (icky proprietary audio/video codecs) Release Manager, the team of people responsible for managing a Debian release. |
| 18:24.37 | Eulex | disposable, hwinfo --framebuffer. |
| 18:24.49 | asg | zamaliphe: /msg dpkg kp |
| 18:24.49 | abrotman | release manager |
| 18:24.49 | Guerin | starfishy: if it works, fine. If it don't, not. |
| 18:24.49 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 18:24.52 | Guerin | zamaliphe: clue. |
| 18:24.56 | abrotman | http://release.debian.org/etch_arch_policy.html |
| 18:24.58 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.01 | disposable | Eulex: tnx |
| 18:25.10 | asg | zamaliphe: without the leading space |
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| 18:25.16 | abrotman | disposable: somewhere .. there's a status page .. but i can't remember where |
| 18:25.18 | Eulex | starfishy, really depends on what modes the vesa vbe implementation in your vga bios offers. |
| 18:25.18 | asg | Guerin: monopoly > clue |
| 18:25.36 | roaet | is there a way to pick KDE over GNOME in the debian installer? or do I need to do expert mode? |
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| 18:25.38 | disposable | abrotman: i'm skimming through it all now |
| 18:25.42 | starfishy | eulex: yeah, but 1440x900 is not available in any bios i know of |
| 18:25.43 | lazzarello | how do I install X on a machine with no screen? I'd like only to open windows remotely via X forwarding. |
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| 18:26.01 | debianito_ | guerin ok... I can use that 1024*768 and would be perfect for me...but how I do that?? |
| 18:26.08 | asg | lazzarello: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 18:26.08 | abrotman | disposable: but as i said .. just because they might not be released with etch doesn't mean that the porting effort ends |
| 18:26.10 | Eulex | roaet, don't pick the desktop task, install kde manually afterwards. |
| 18:26.16 | starfishy | debianito_: vga=791 |
| 18:26.20 | roaet | ew |
| 18:26.25 | Prudhvi | Eulex, my Screenshot thing is not working :( |
| 18:26.40 | Eulex | starfishy, and that's enough for you to assume that it's not available on any bios? |
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| 18:26.58 | lazzarello | asg, thanks |
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| 18:27.08 | ddfire | hi, i need some help whit udev, i cant how i start a program when a device is removed??? i can start it when a devices is added |
| 18:27.16 | Eno_ | I'm using xorg and sid, and when I start x using the "savage" driver I get a blank screen. It works fine with "vesa" driver. |
| 18:27.19 | toshiro | hi, i'm trying to install debian on machine with a fasttrack "tx4/s150" card. i'm trying to load the module i compile through a floppy to be able to see hd, has anyone make such an install, i need to know wich driver to use. |
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| 18:27.24 | starfishy | eulex: i did quite some research there |
| 18:27.30 | zamaliphe | thanks asg |
| 18:27.33 | debianito_ | ok thanks |
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| 18:27.44 | starfishy | and so far i have not been able to find any system that had bios support for 1440x900 |
| 18:27.52 | Guerin | debianito_: vga=791 |
| 18:28.02 | starfishy | which is an oddball resolution anyway |
| 18:28.08 | lazzarello | Eno_, does your video card have a savage chipset? |
| 18:28.14 | Eulex | starfishy, there's no rule on what modes may be available. but yes, 1440x900 may be rare. |
| 18:28.22 | Eno_ | lazzarello: Yeah, it worked in sarge. |
| 18:28.26 | debianito_ | asg will try no!writing that in the boot installing... (linux26 noapic i´m installing 2.6) |
| 18:28.32 | starfishy | eulex: if you find one id be interested to know |
| 18:28.33 | debianito_ | asg will try now!writing that in the boot installing... (linux26 noapic i´m installing 2.6) |
| 18:28.34 | lazzarello | Eno_, stick with sarge then. |
| 18:28.39 | debianito_ | thanks asg |
| 18:28.40 | Eno_ | lazzarello: I think it does S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV (rev 13) |
| 18:28.52 | Luftzig | I'm reading the man page for cdrecord, and I'm a bit lost... my cd-rw isn't a scsi device |
| 18:28.54 | Eulex | starfishy, hehe, I will :) |
| 18:29.01 | Eno_ | lazzarello: Eh, I wanna run KDE 3.5.1 |
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| 18:29.18 | starfishy | even for 1400x1050 most bioses only have a 16 bit mode, not 24 bit, not that it matters for my purposes |
| 18:29.27 | lazzarello | Eno_, backports.org ? |
| 18:29.39 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
| 18:29.40 | valdyn | Luftzig: uname -r |
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| 18:29.59 | Eno_ | Hmm... |
| 18:30.18 | cisse | Luftzig: if you're running a 2.6 kerenl you can basically ignore the scsi emulation stuff and just do cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdb image.iso where /dev/hdb is your cd-rw |
| 18:30.21 | Luftzig | valdyn, it's 2.6.8-2 |
| 18:30.22 | lazzarello | Eno_, you shouldn't install sid cause you want a new version of some program. |
| 18:30.36 | valdyn | Luftzig: ok, what cisse said |
| 18:30.48 | Luftzig | cisse, thanks. |
| 18:30.57 | Eulex | !sid |
| 18:30.59 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 18:31.00 | Luftzig | you to, valdyn. |
| 18:31.06 | toshiro | how to use fasttrack with debian, any advice? |
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| 18:31.12 | DevilChaos | hey ho |
| 18:31.28 | DevilChaos | hello in greek not |
| 18:31.30 | pipeline | toshiro: gift / giftd |
| 18:31.31 | vilemaxim | I'm trying to package a deb that uses php and mysql. I'm having problems with the postinstall script. I got it to ask to automaticily create the database, but then it crashes with no good error message. Any help? |
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| 18:32.13 | lazzarello | asg, I installed xbase-clients on the remote end but X isn't running. trying to open xclock says "Error: Can't open display:" |
| 18:32.24 | lazzarello | do I need to install xserver-xfree86 on the remote end? |
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| 18:32.36 | Eulex | lazzarello, maybe start X then? |
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| 18:33.07 | Eulex | lazzarello, and yes, you need an X server. |
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| 18:33.24 | lazzarello | I realized how stupid that sounded after i typed it. |
| 18:33.30 | lazzarello | apologies... |
| 18:33.37 | moshii | does anyone know where I can get lyx-cjk packages or how I can make the standard debian ones CJK'able? |
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| 18:34.19 | Zrin | how can I find out if there is support for geforce4 6150 chipset and devices on board asus a8n-vm *before* buying the board? |
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| 18:34.35 | pipeline | Zrin: I would be pretty confident that there is. |
| 18:35.11 | math1236 | Zrin: isn't that an nforce chipset? |
| 18:35.17 | Zrin | pipeline: is there a way to check? e.g. if nforce USB controller is supported as well... |
| 18:35.32 | Zrin | math1236: GeForce 6150 + nForce 430 |
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| 18:36.12 | Zrin | math1236: GPU is on board |
| 18:36.36 | pipeline | Zrin: My suggestion would be to google. |
| 18:37.55 | Zrin | pipeline: I've tried that for about 15 min without much success - is there a list of available modules / drivers or list of supported hardware? |
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| 18:38.11 | pipeline | Zrin: nforce is particularly complex because /some/ nforce boards require proprietary drivers. |
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| 18:38.53 | pipeline | Zrin: At the very least, graphics, network, and USB should work. Audio and 3d are kinda hit or miss. Read up on the proprietary nvidia drivers. |
| 18:39.30 | Zrin | pipeline: i'll use the board for a server, so audio and 3d are not interesting |
| 18:39.53 | pipeline | Zrin: Well, there you have it. |
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| 18:40.32 | Zrin | but i need the GBit NIC, USB, ATA |
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| 18:41.44 | Eulex | !smite cowon for not providing a complete manual on the iaudio u2 |
| 18:41.55 | starfishy | zrin: my nforce 4 SLI board works fine with the drivers included in the kernel |
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| 18:42.07 | starfishy | doesnt mean all of them do though |
| 18:42.17 | blondie | how can I get a list of all packages that are installed? |
| 18:42.25 | Eulex | !installed |
| 18:42.25 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 18:42.26 | starfishy | dpkg -l |
| 18:42.35 | blondie | thanks |
| 18:42.45 | blondie | hm |
| 18:42.58 | blondie | that seems to be wrong though |
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| 18:43.08 | vilemaxim | Zrin, I might be worng on this, but I've never had a problem with the ata or usb on any board, so I wouldn't worry about that personally |
| 18:43.48 | blondie | it shows packages installed which have been removed, but never mind |
| 18:44.05 | starfishy | dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
| 18:44.06 | dpkg | ii |grep ^ii 2.6-11.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 18:44.46 | Zrin | vilemaxim: thank you ... i'll buy the board and if much problems arise, it will be punished by running winxp |
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| 18:45.16 | vilemaxim | Zrin, the NIC might be a problem... I'd install it with a 2.6 kernel... |
| 18:45.29 | Zrin | vilemaxim: y, 2.6 |
| 18:45.31 | dan321 | I'm tring to backup my windows partition to file so I can run it from a VM on debian if I need to use it in the future. |
| 18:45.36 | dan321 | I ran 'cat /dev/hda > z' until z was much bigger than the partition, copied z to another PC and tried 'qemu z' but it says OS not present? |
| 18:45.37 | blondie | slept: ah right |
| 18:45.40 | DevilChaos | i have a small problem i cant open gnome-terminal as normal user i click on the icon and get the waiting glyph on the mouse pointer then nothing happens, didnt get help with the last time i was here i dodnt think also have an error message but need to check it agian. |
| 18:45.42 | vilemaxim | Zrin, you know the 2.6 switch in the installer |
| 18:46.03 | DevilChaos | damn typos suck ass |
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| 18:46.16 | Prudhvi | where do i get unofficial Kernel Modules for Nvidia |
| 18:46.23 | dan321 | DevilChaos: Can you try running from a different terminal? You might get an error then? |
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| 18:46.25 | Zrin | vilemaxim: I installed sarge with 2.6 two weeks ago, but I can't remember a 'switch' (?) |
| 18:46.35 | Prudhvi | coz Kernel Modules for 2.6.15 are not yet out |
| 18:46.57 | Prudhvi | !nvidia |
| 18:46.57 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 18:46.58 | Zrin | vilemaxim: shall I try 64 bit kernel? |
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| 18:47.50 | Zrin | vilemaxim: it'll be a production server |
| 18:47.54 | vilemaxim | Zrin, well... for a server it's probably ok |
| 18:48.24 | vilemaxim | Zrin, I'm running on amd64 kernel right now on my laptop... |
| 18:48.34 | Zrin | vilemaxim: the server goes to the customer and will be user as domain controller and router |
| 18:49.27 | vilemaxim | Zrin, proably ok... Though since amd64 for stable is not in debian right now... it makes be a little nervious, but they do seem to have ther act together |
| 18:49.41 | dan321 | Anybody got any idea why I can't backup the first partitions on a drive with `cat /dev/hda > backup` ? |
| 18:50.14 | vilemaxim | Zrin, I've run into a few problems on the desktop end of things.... no openoffice for example... so I run openoffice 32 bit in a chroot |
| 18:50.37 | Bellyeye | anyone working on seamonkey packages? |
| 18:50.51 | DevilChaos | dan321: i did the DISPLAY:= 0,0 gnome terminal command in tty1 and i get ------> gnome-terninal:symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2: Undefined Symbol: FT_GlyphSlot_Embolden |
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| 18:51.57 | Luftzig | ok, I can burn, but only as root. how can enable users of the cdrom group to burn too? |
| 18:52.27 | dan321 | DevilChaos: Maybe try reinstalling gnome terminal and any X server related packages it depends on. |
| 18:52.45 | vilemaxim | Zrin, on a differnt note.. have you seen unattended/unattended-gui It's a Windows deploment system that runs in linux. |
| 18:52.48 | SlayerXP | Luftzig: your users need have have sufficient permissions to write to the cd-r device |
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| 18:53.16 | DevilChaos | ok ill give it a shot |
| 18:53.19 | DevilChaos | brb |
| 18:53.42 | slept | I would like to use susspend and hibernation with a thinkpad a31p , but I cant get it to work , can someone point me to a good howto or explain what steps have to be taken in which order. I compiled thinkpad-modules and installed acpid,tpctl |
| 18:53.49 | Luftzig | SlayerXP, well, makes sense. thanks |
| 18:54.38 | starfishy | slept: i googled for it |
| 18:54.49 | starfishy | got suspend2 to work nicely on both a Sony and an Acer |
| 18:54.54 | roaet | ok |
| 18:54.56 | roaet | hrm |
| 18:55.08 | starfishy | you need to patch the kernel to use suspend2 though |
| 18:55.11 | roaet | last time I installed debian, it detected and installed my soundcard |
| 18:55.14 | roaet | why didn't it do it this time? |
| 18:55.19 | toshiro | pipeline, what do you mean gift, giftd? |
| 18:55.25 | mcm | these days does it makes any sense to partition a hd with something like 500mb => /var, 250mb => /tmp ? i think partitioning still makes sense for /usr /home and / but not for others. what do you think? |
| 18:55.28 | zebalin4 | I know it's OT here... but no one answers on #kde. Anyone know how to turn off the opening/closing video in kaffeine... the flying brown bean or whatever it is? Drives me nuts. |
| 18:55.47 | pipeline | mcm: The point of doing that sort of thing is that the system will puke and die if / fills up. |
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| 18:55.53 | starfishy | mcm: i partition /, /var, /home, /srv |
| 18:55.54 | mcm | on the other side then where to put /tmp and /var ? leave them on / (root) partition? |
| 18:55.57 | pipeline | mcm: You definitely don't want to split /usr and / any more. |
| 18:55.58 | vilemaxim | roaet, try discover or alsoconf? |
| 18:56.10 | Red_Cloud | I have downloaded all of the ISO images of debian etch using jigdo. All of the images were fines except for image 3. There are four images missing from the template. I have tried downloading ISO image 3 several times with the same result on this template. I have tried several different mirrors with no result. Where can I get this image? |
| 18:56.11 | vilemaxim | roaet, alsaconf ops |
| 18:56.14 | chaedaeX | mcm: FWIW i only have / i have no need for separate partitions. i regulary archive directories i need to backup |
| 18:56.21 | pipeline | Red_Cloud: You don't worry about it? |
| 18:56.26 | mcm | starfishy, that is /srv ? |
| 18:56.31 | DevilChaos | dan321: apt want me to remove gnome-core aswell dont think thats safe is it? |
| 18:56.37 | pipeline | Red_Cloud: Etch moves so fast, you won't ever use the other discs. |
| 18:56.43 | Luftzig | SlayerXP, well, cdrom group has r/w premissions... and I still get error from cdrecord |
| 18:56.44 | pipeline | Red_Cloud: You'll use disc 1 once and the rest of the discs will be worthless. |
| 18:56.48 | starfishy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.51 | roaet | heh |
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| 18:56.56 | starfishy | i put my nfs shares and stuff in there |
| 18:56.56 | pipeline | starfishy: more like /export, am i rite? |
| 18:56.57 | vilemaxim | mcm, it's part of the LHS |
| 18:56.59 | mcm | pipeline, why that? |
| 18:57.15 | starfishy | pipeline: according to the linux filesystem standard its supposed to be /srv |
| 18:57.25 | starfishy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.37 | Red_Cloud | pipeline, if it is similar to sarge, I will use the disks quite often |
| 18:57.37 | pipeline | mcm: Because a lot of binaries in / link against /usr/lib. You don't want to boot single user, find out /usr needs to be fscked, and be left with no shell. |
| 18:57.45 | pipeline | starfishy: The LFS isn't a standard worth shit *shrug* |
| 18:57.52 | starfishy | nor is /opt for that matter even though some software developers seem not to be able to grasp the concept |
| 18:57.54 | pipeline | Red_Cloud: It's not. Etch is a constantly changing target. Sarge is not. Sarge is stable. |
| 18:57.58 | starfishy | pipeline: whats wrong with it? |
| 18:58.05 | pipeline | starfishy: /opt and /export are SVR4 standards. You know, standards that people actually care about. |
| 18:58.15 | mcm | vilemaxim, what the heck is LHS? was i sleeping during the past few years....? |
| 18:58.20 | pipeline | starfishy: What's wrong with it is that it's different from SVR4. SVR4 being %90+ of the market. |
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| 18:58.36 | Red_Cloud | pipeline, I thought that etch is testing not beta |
| 18:58.38 | sushimako | running mutt with LANG=en_US.UTF-8 within an xterm with utf8 fonts and -u8 flag set, but mutt displays special characters as their character code (e.g. f\374r) |
| 18:58.45 | DevilChaos | is removing gnome-core along with gnome-terminal going to damage my system if i try it to solve my problem anyone please? |
| 18:58.46 | pipeline | Red_Cloud: testing means it changes constantly. |
| 18:58.46 | Andy298 | in my /etc/hostname file should it be "host" or "host.domain.tld"? |
| 18:59.09 | pipeline | DevilChaos: Removing gnome-core won't do a darn thing. |
| 18:59.22 | pipeline | DevilChaos: gnome-core is a metapackage -- it just has other packages that depend on it. It contains no data in itself. |
| 18:59.38 | mcm | pipeline, makes sense. |
| 18:59.39 | pipeline | Andy298: Either should be fine for most purposes, I think. |
| 18:59.44 | starfishy | pipeline: why dont we just introduce C:, D: and /windows? Windows has a huge market share |
| 18:59.47 | starfishy | j/j |
| 18:59.49 | starfishy | j/k |
| 18:59.58 | Andy298 | ok, how do i reload it then? i've changed it |
| 19:00.10 | pipeline | starfishy: It actually had approximately zero market share until about five years ago. And it's still dwarfed by the SVR4 systems. |
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| 19:00.31 | pipeline | starfishy: The dominant standards are the ones that matter. And LFS/LSB are not dominant. They're dead in the water. |
| 19:00.35 | DevilChaos | sweet |
| 19:00.45 | pipeline | starfishy: You're going to keep on seeing /opt, /export, and SysV runlevels on Linux systems :P |
| 19:00.51 | starfishy | pipeline: thats why all the major linux distros strive to use them |
| 19:00.51 | vilemaxim | mcm, I guess I got it wrong it's FHS Filesystem Hiarchy Standard. Sorry about that. I thought it was LHS, but google show no results.(?) |
| 19:01.05 | pipeline | starfishy: Riiiight. |
| 19:01.16 | starfishy | pipeline: does your debian system have /opt? |
| 19:01.21 | pipeline | starfishy: Yup. |
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| 19:01.36 | mcm | so that means you would recommend a huge / (root - that contains /var, /tmp,/usr) and an other one with /home. |
| 19:01.38 | pipeline | starfishy: Because *gasp* third party vendors expect to put software in /opt, the way they do on SysV. |
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| 19:01.51 | Andy298 | pipeline: ok, how do i reload it then? i've changed it |
| 19:01.53 | mcm | vilemaxim, the only thing google showed was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LHS |
| 19:01.59 | pipeline | mcm: *shrug* there are various reasons to put /var or /tmp on different filesystems, but you should definitely /not/ split / and /usr. |
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| 19:02.10 | starfishy | pipeline: and which vendors would that be? |
| 19:02.18 | pipeline | Andy298: Reload it? You could set the hostname with the "hostname" command... |
| 19:02.27 | pipeline | starfishy: Opera Software, Loki, Oracle...? |
| 19:02.35 | pipeline | starfishy: Most ISVs will treat your Linux system like SysV when they can. |
| 19:02.37 | starfishy | opera is not in /opt on my system |
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| 19:02.52 | starfishy | and since when is loki a major vendor? |
| 19:03.08 | pipeline | starfishy: Oh, they're not. But they're a vendor that /I/, personally, have software from. |
| 19:03.15 | starfishy | *shrug* |
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| 19:03.35 | pipeline | starfishy: You didn't ask about major vendors. You asked about the vendors whose software I had. :P |
| 19:03.39 | starfishy | i can see how thats important to the community |
| 19:03.40 | mcm | actually i use /opt for all vendor specific software that does not have a packaging mechanism |
| 19:03.42 | starfishy | no, i didnt |
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| 19:03.44 | starfishy | reread the sentence |
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| 19:03.49 | starfishy | but anyway |
| 19:03.52 | mcm | like maple, matlab, vmware, etc. |
| 19:04.04 | DevilChaos | ok its asking to bloody remove the desktop anviroment now how do i just uninstall the 2 packages by themselves |
| 19:04.04 | starfishy | i like Solaris but I realize that Linux is not Solaris and Solaris is not Linux |
| 19:04.07 | toshiro | pipeline, what is gift? |
| 19:04.09 | starfishy | they both exist in their own right |
| 19:04.21 | DevilChaos | im using deselect i assume there is an apt-get command i can use |
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| 19:04.26 | pipeline | starfishy: Eh, it doesn't really matter whether you like it. Solaris is the dominant UNIX operating system. SVR4 is the dominant standard. Things will either become more like Solaris, or disappear :P |
| 19:04.32 | pipeline | toshiro: I'm not here to hold your hand, man. |
| 19:04.41 | starfishy | pipeline: i worked for Sun for years |
| 19:04.51 | toshiro | how should i use it? |
| 19:04.51 | toshiro | i thought you were a beatle? |
| 19:04.52 | pipeline | starfishy: You poor son of a bitch. I hear it's an awful place to work. |
| 19:04.53 | toshiro | ;lo) |
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| 19:05.06 | starfishy | i think you go a bit much by hearsay |
| 19:05.12 | starfishy | i liked working at Sun |
| 19:05.27 | RedDrag0n | Greetings, can someone give me a hand with making Links2 run in svgalib (or DirectFB) inside an XTerm/aTerm/Eterm/etc? |
| 19:05.29 | pipeline | starfishy: But you don't buy into the surveys that would appear to indicate that they still stand astride the market :P |
| 19:05.43 | roaet | hrmmm |
| 19:05.45 | mcm | pipeline, you said that there a various reasons to put /var and /tmp to other filesystems. can you give an example? beside the reliability? creating about 400mb each partitions and having huge 40gb / doesn't make any sense for me. |
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| 19:05.45 | roaet | now... |
| 19:05.48 | starfishy | i dont buy into any statistics i havent doctored myself |
| 19:05.48 | pipeline | RedDrag0n: svgalib and directfb tickle the graphics hardware directly. You can't use them with a terminal emulator. |
| 19:05.49 | roaet | connecting to samba grrr |
| 19:05.58 | starfishy | statistics are the most elegant form of lies |
| 19:06.06 | Eulex | RedDrag0n, umh, why not just use links2 -g? |
| 19:06.19 | pipeline | mcm: Well, you could consider putting /tmp on its own filesystem in order to mount it with option "noexec." It's not something I do, but it's something you could consider. Or putting /var on a high speed disk, to handle proxy cache and mail spools... |
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| 19:06.33 | Eulex | RedDrag0n, also, I don't think you can run svgalib stuff inside terms. |
| 19:06.35 | RedDrag0n | pipeline: that was possible in the last debian install I had though (full Sarge with desktop environment) but it took too much space so I made a base install and updated to etch, so I don't know what stuff did Sarge used for making it possible |
| 19:06.44 | Big`Hades | Romania ? |
| 19:06.46 | pipeline | RedDrag0n: It was probably running xlinks2... |
| 19:06.47 | DevilChaos | how do i just remove the 2 packages by themselvs and no others please? |
| 19:07.01 | pipeline | RedDrag0n: It was definitely not fooling with directfb or svgalib, though. Not inside a terminal emulator. |
| 19:07.05 | RedDrag0n | Eulex: I hate to change between alt+Fx just for using a browser |
| 19:07.11 | starfishy | pipeline: if you love Solaris so much, why are you here? just curious |
| 19:07.14 | Seldon1975 | if I use Thuderbird for email and Firefox for http, what should I use for newsgroups? |
| 19:07.15 | rebellis | starfishy: why is statistics a lie? Does not it give you true answers? |
| 19:07.17 | pipeline | starfishy: Debian is convenient. |
| 19:07.19 | Eulex | RedDrag0n, links2 -g runs in X. |
| 19:07.24 | starfishy | rebellis: no, it doesnt |
| 19:07.29 | RedDrag0n | Eulex: not in graphics mode, which is what I want :P |
| 19:07.33 | SirFunk | hey, i have an old computer here that i setup as a card catalog using debian... i want it so when ii press the power button it will shut down correctly, right now it goes to sleep, what runs that? |
| 19:07.38 | Eulex | RedDrag0n, yes it does. |
| 19:07.42 | starfishy | everyone can make statistics and everyone can even interpret the same statistics in different ways |
| 19:07.42 | mcm | pipeline, ok so mostly things that are not relevant for home/laptop usage. on the server side it makes a lot of sense with remote filesystems. |
| 19:07.43 | pipeline | RedDrag0n: I think that's what the xlinks or xlinks2 binary is for -- it uses an X canvas instead of svgalib. |
| 19:07.49 | starfishy | pipeline, so it is |
| 19:07.50 | pipeline | mcm: Yeah, pretty much. |
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| 19:08.13 | mentor | datr1x: hi |
| 19:08.14 | rebellis | starfishy: Wow! I could say this to my teacher. He is very proud in being a statistician :-) |
| 19:08.24 | Eulex | RedDrag0n, hmm, funky, doesn't work here. I know that it has worked, at least. |
| 19:08.27 | mcm | pipeline, thank you for helping clearing my mind... |
| 19:08.27 | pipeline | starfishy: It drives me nuts that I can't make linux NFS work reliably. That I can't use debian as a jumpstart server for reasons that are difficult to debug. That /bin/sh isn't the right thing. But it's realy damn convenient when I want a buttload of bleeding edge software and I want it RIGHT NOW. |
| 19:08.31 | starfishy | and just like a BMW and an Acura Linux and Solaris have things a bit different, but not enough to matter to an experienced admin |
| 19:08.54 | RedDrag0n | Same here Eulex, pipeline, tried searching for that in apt-get, can't find it |
| 19:08.56 | pipeline | starfishy: More like "just like a 1975 VW Beatle and a Bugatti Veyron are a bit different..." :P |
| 19:09.01 | Red_Cloud | pipeline, you are very correct. Why is it that the most simple of concepts escape me? I have spent quite a bit of time downloading these images and could have simply executed a network download and have been done with it a couple of weeks ago. |
| 19:09.04 | rebellis | starfishy: anyway why say you that? Are you really doctored yourself in statistics? |
| 19:09.06 | pipeline | starfishy: I'd only want to fix the beatle in my backyard, if you know what I mean. |
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| 19:09.14 | starfishy | i think ill get out of this discussion, i have a bit too much insight |
| 19:09.22 | pipeline | Red_Cloud: Yeah, you did waste your time. |
| 19:09.30 | starfishy | rebellis: doctored means manipulated |
| 19:09.32 | pipeline | Red_Cloud: I like the "netinstall" disc. Despite its name, it doesn't actually require the network to install. |
| 19:09.40 | pipeline | Red_Cloud: It has the most minimal possible set of install files to get a working system. |
| 19:09.43 | starfishy | and yes, occasionally I manipulate statistics to my own ends |
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| 19:10.05 | RedDrag0n | apt-cache search x | grep 'links' doesn't returns anything similar, either :( |
| 19:10.05 | rebellis | starfishy: excuse. "Doctored" is a false friend in my mother tongue :) |
| 19:10.17 | starfishy | rebellis: you wouldnt be german by chance? |
| 19:10.33 | rebellis | starfishy: no, I'm brazilian. |
| 19:10.47 | rebellis | starfishy: doctor is latin word. |
| 19:11.03 | starfishy | hehehe |
| 19:11.05 | Red_Cloud | pipeline, can I install into my present sarge without losing my setup? |
| 19:11.07 | starfishy | i was just wondering |
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| 19:11.33 | zam_aliphe | how to start pro after start kde ?? |
| 19:11.47 | Luftzig | I still can't burn to cdrom from user. I can burn from root, but not from user have rw premissions |
| 19:11.50 | blondie | zam_aliphe: what? |
| 19:11.54 | zam_aliphe | how to start program after start kde ?? |
| 19:12.00 | blondie | zam_aliphe: what? |
| 19:12.11 | blondie | click the icon? |
| 19:12.25 | Guerin | zam_aliphe: ctrl+f2 |
| 19:12.45 | starfishy | zam_alipe: K-><categoryyouwant>-><programyouwant> |
| 19:12.59 | DevilChaos | there has to be a way of destroying those damn 2 packages then reinstalling without uninstalling the whole gnome enviroment surely? |
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| 19:13.31 | zam_aliphe | no i meen to make it automaitc start evry time you start the kde like soper karamba?? |
| 19:13.36 | debianito_ | hello...one question...what will happen if I install debian with option linux noapic nolapic?? |
| 19:13.36 | LESNA^ | \me test |
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| 19:13.43 | starfishy | devilchaos: find the correct packages and install them manually? |
| 19:13.48 | debianito_ | will I have to do anything in the future? |
| 19:14.18 | DevilChaos | how? sorry im thick when need to do small simple things i should really know about |
| 19:14.23 | starfishy | but even if you uninstall all of gnome, it should be cached anyway, so reinstall is going to be fast |
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| 19:14.30 | DevilChaos | just the way it is with me at this point in time |
| 19:14.31 | Guerin | DevilChaos: DOOOOOO EEEEEET! |
| 19:14.43 | starfishy | devlichaos: find the packages and install them with dpkg -i |
| 19:15.01 | DevilChaos | i want to uninstall first |
| 19:15.06 | Guerin | why? |
| 19:15.16 | starfishy | devilchaos: if you uninstall them you will have to uninstall gnome |
| 19:15.18 | LESNA^ | what is the difference between kernel-image-2.6.something and linux-image-2.6.something? |
| 19:15.25 | debianito_ | hello...one question...what will happen if I install debian with option linux noapic nolapic?? pls..will i have to do anything in future? |
| 19:15.27 | DevilChaos | because my gnome-terminal isnt operating properly |
| 19:15.30 | Guerin | nuke implies "don't fucking save anything, it's all bound to hell' |
| 19:15.37 | Guerin | hah |
| 19:15.39 | DevilChaos | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGggggggggggg |
| 19:15.52 | DevilChaos | ah |
| 19:15.56 | starfishy | devilchaos: CTRL-ALT-F1 |
| 19:15.58 | Guerin | gnome-terminal never operates mproperly |
| 19:16.08 | starfishy | werd |
| 19:16.15 | Guerin | even when people thing it operates properly |
| 19:16.24 | Guerin | and when they think, too |
| 19:16.25 | DevilChaos | but will all my installed stuff still be there if reinstall gnome |
| 19:16.27 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 19:16.28 | Eulex | right, gnome-terminal pretends to be an xterm |
| 19:16.37 | lakcaj | debianito_, that's just a boot option for the kernel that is loaded when you install. |
| 19:16.41 | DevilChaos | i hate thinking hurts too much |
| 19:16.49 | vilemaxim | DevilChaos, yes |
| 19:16.57 | Eulex | DevilChaos, have you tried running gnome-terminal from an xterm? |
| 19:17.02 | vilemaxim | DevilChaos, it will got remove configureation files |
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| 19:17.17 | Eulex | s/got/not/ |
| 19:17.27 | lakcaj | debianito_, I don't think it will affect packages/config during install. Later, if you want noapic nolapic for your installed system, you will have to edit your menu.lst (grub config file) |
| 19:17.31 | vilemaxim | yeah that too |
| 19:17.33 | debianito_ | ok thanks lakcaj |
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| 19:17.50 | zamaliphe | sory i hve restart |
| 19:17.57 | DevilChaos | ok no matter if it does ill just nuke my system and go back to stable i think cant handle testing any more wait too long for new things i need |
| 19:18.44 | vilemaxim | DevilChaos, you could allows run stable and run testing packages in a chroot |
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| 19:19.37 | debianito_ | now this is the first time i try to run debian and at this point: usb-uhci.c:high bandwidth mode enabled it stopss :(( also i read this: /etc/rcS.d/S36discover: line 204: 399 Segmentation fault modprobe $MODULE |
| 19:19.37 | zamaliphe | how to make a program start with kde automatik???? |
| 19:19.46 | DevilChaos | i think ill just run my server with testing and keep my main box stable so i benefit both ways |
| 19:19.57 | vilemaxim | DevilChaos, Currentily I'm running and amd64 system, and openoffice in a 32 bit chroot. Same conspect should work for testing and unstable |
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| 19:20.27 | vilemaxim | DevilChaos, wow... you normally hear people doing that the other way. Servers on stable |
| 19:20.43 | RedDrag0n | okay, running "xlinks2 -driver whatever" tells me the only available drivers are directfb, fb and svgalib. What do I need for allowing it to use X? |
| 19:20.58 | DevilChaos | well i say server its more of a toy box for messing around with and trying things out |
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| 19:21.10 | vilemaxim | DevilChaos, gotcha |
| 19:21.45 | DevilChaos | had smoothwall and gentoo suse and others run on it |
| 19:21.55 | debianito_ | now this is the first time i try to run debian and at this point: usb-uhci.c:high bandwidth mode enabled it stopss :(( also i read this: /etc/rcS.d/S36discover: line 204: 399 Segmentation fault modprobe $MODULE...can anybody help meplss? |
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| 19:22.02 | starfishy | zamaliphe: put the link into .kde/Autostart |
| 19:22.07 | Eulex | RedDrag0n, hmm, they removed the X driver? |
| 19:22.08 | vilemaxim | DevilChaos, smoothwall is pretty cool |
| 19:22.11 | DevilChaos | currently trying to get it to proxy the internet connection im useing |
| 19:22.21 | RedDrag0n | Eulex: no idea, I'm using X.org, if that's helpful :/ |
| 19:22.30 | RedDrag0n | Eulex: you mean I'll have to compile from source? :/ |
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| 19:22.44 | zamaliphe | thanks <starfishy> |
| 19:22.45 | Eulex | RedDrag0n, yes, or get the older package. I'm checking the bts, btw. |
| 19:22.50 | DevilChaos | yeah but had alittle trouble with port and ip forwarding issues |
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| 19:23.16 | DevilChaos | i was useing the alpha release |
| 19:23.31 | RedDrag0n | Eulex: whatever is bts o_O. Kay, how do I get an older package using apt-get or the sources including the dependencies needed for compiling? I know there's a way but can't remember right now |
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| 19:23.37 | Eulex | RedDrag0n, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=351286 -- get an older version from http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 19:23.38 | vilemaxim | DevilChaos, :) I think I see a pattern here |
| 19:23.38 | Eulex | !bts |
| 19:23.39 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 19:23.45 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 351286 |
| 19:23.46 | RedDrag0n | Eulex: ah, thanks :D |
| 19:23.49 | dpkg | #351286:I[links2] links2: driver 'x' not available; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:03:04 UTC |
| 19:23.56 | DevilChaos | lol which is? |
| 19:23.58 | NOthsouth | Hello< i just install the ATI drive for linux, but How can I have sure my Videocard is using the driver ? |
| 19:24.03 | rebellis | Does anyone know if are there any good slackware channel on this server? Thanx. |
| 19:24.13 | Eulex | NOthsouth, check the X log. |
| 19:24.15 | RedDrag0n | rebellis: #slack |
| 19:24.19 | RedDrag0n | er, #slackware |
| 19:24.38 | NOthsouth | Eulex, what should I looking for? |
| 19:24.42 | vilemaxim | DevilChaos, running debian testing and Apla Smoothwall. I usally try to let some times mature before dealing with it. |
| 19:24.51 | rebellis | RedDrag0n: I'll visit these guys at #Slack. Thanks. |
| 19:24.56 | DevilChaos | ah |
| 19:24.58 | Eulex | NOthsouth, maybe what driver it's loading? |
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| 19:25.21 | RedDrag0n | rebellis: it was #slackware, oh well xD |
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| 19:25.39 | DevilChaos | im my own worst enemy at times try to do things too quickly end up fucking things up |
| 19:25.48 | rebellis | RedDrag0n: :-D |
| 19:25.49 | debianito_ | no ideaa people? |
| 19:26.02 | Guerin | DevilChaos: that's a sure sign you need to drink more beer and smoke less meth |
| 19:26.03 | G400 | NOthsouth: less /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
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| 19:26.32 | vilemaxim | debianito_, when did you get that... at boot |
| 19:26.33 | vilemaxim | ? |
| 19:26.37 | DevilChaos | im really pleased with the system i currenly have but its lacking in the ati driver area for tvout and couple of other thibngs id like to run i think id be able to in stable |
| 19:27.34 | DevilChaos | i find debian outways the rest its my favoured choic of os over all others |
| 19:27.36 | vilemaxim | I've had problems with tvout for my mythtv box |
| 19:28.32 | DevilChaos | mythtv thats render and capture is it not? |
| 19:28.38 | G400 | vilemaxim: what problems? |
| 19:28.50 | vilemaxim | DevilChaos, yeah |
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| 19:29.13 | DevilChaos | didnt go that way i just wanted to watch dvds on my tv through linux |
| 19:29.19 | vilemaxim | G400, it seemed to display in too high res... |
| 19:29.27 | NOthsouth | G400, there is a lot of things like RADEON, ati , etc |
| 19:29.41 | DevilChaos | really simple just impossible to implement it pissed me off so much i gave up |
| 19:29.51 | vilemaxim | G400, the screen would bluring |
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| 19:29.58 | G400 | NOthsouth, sounds promising |
| 19:30.01 | RedDrag0n | Okay, so I add the two apt-sources list into /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get install links2 .... what assures me I'll get the version I want and not the one in the debian repository? I have to comment all the others so it doesn't gets the others first? |
| 19:30.12 | G400 | vilemaxim: Is this a scaling issue? |
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| 19:31.26 | vilemaxim | G400, maybe I tried differnt resolutions... with no solution. |
| 19:32.19 | G400 | RedDrag0n, that would be one way. If you use aptitude, it will complain but just ignore it. |
| 19:32.21 | debianito_ | sorry vilemaxim was trying to find a solution....i get it when i try to run debian(i mean after installing debian) |
| 19:32.29 | DevilChaos | ok im off to attempt not to destroy my system if i do ill not be happy (i hear smashing windows coming very soon) |
| 19:32.52 | Eulex | RedDrag0n, umh, just get the .deb of links2 of snapshot.debian.net. no need to mess with apt sources. |
| 19:33.06 | G400 | vilemaxim: sorry to hear that. What if you use the native resolution of the source material? |
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| 19:33.26 | RedDrag0n | G400: I see, thanks. Eulex: I only see a "Packages.gz" file inside the i386 folder... :/ |
| 19:33.32 | systemadmin | are there any ssh clients that allow you to save your passwords? i have too many server to remember all of them |
| 19:33.39 | vilemaxim | G400, I'm not shore what you mean? |
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| 19:34.01 | RedDrag0n | er, wait a sec. |
| 19:34.04 | RedDrag0n | guess I got it xD |
| 19:34.07 | lazzarello | systemadmin, ssh-agent and ssh-add |
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| 19:34.42 | vilemaxim | G400, it works on a monitor just fine. It works on the commandline too with TV out, but when it goes to X... it gets crasy |
| 19:34.45 | G400 | vilemaxim: say you play PAL TV, it has a native res of 720x576 or something so if you output any other resolution, this would involve some scaling |
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| 19:35.54 | vilemaxim | G400, What's the nativeres for NTCS-M? |
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| 19:36.04 | systemadmin | ok here is agood question, i just recompiled my kernle, and ai cannot see anythign after grub until gdm loads.. what did i forget? |
| 19:36.08 | Eulex | RedDrag0n, go back a few pages and click the "Details" button, then click the date of the version you want. |
| 19:36.18 | debianito_ | sorry vilemaxim was trying to find a solution....i get it when i try to run debian(i mean after installing debian) |
| 19:36.19 | G400 | vilemaxim: not too sure but surely googlable |
| 19:36.38 | RedDrag0n | Yeah, just figured that Eulex, thanks :D |
| 19:36.39 | vilemaxim | yeah... I'll try that. thanks |
| 19:36.49 | Eulex | RedDrag0n, yw :) |
| 19:37.03 | RedDrag0n | :) |
| 19:37.04 | vilemaxim | debianito_, does the system boot? |
| 19:37.37 | darsie | Can I format a floppy to 720 K with mkfs.msdos? How? Or do I need something else, e.g. floppy? |
| 19:37.37 | debianito_ | no its stopped there |
| 19:37.57 | lepton | systemadmin: console support? |
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| 19:38.15 | debianito_ | "ush-uhci.c : high badnwithd mode enabled" is last message |
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| 19:38.34 | lepton | systemadmin: use ssh-agent |
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| 19:38.49 | G400 | vilemaxim: under X, as opposed to commandline, you potentially have other drivers involved like xv, v4l, depending on the application defaults. It can get messy. |
| 19:39.15 | vilemaxim | debianito_, seems like a wierd problem. I'm not familure with that error message, but my gut suspects the hardware. maybe run memtest86+ on it |
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| 19:39.53 | vilemaxim | debianito_, if the hardware is good... then maybe try installing with a 2.6 kernel if you didn't already |
| 19:40.04 | debianito_ | yes i also tryed |
| 19:40.30 | RedDrag0n | WOOT ,it worked!!!!!! :D :D :D thanks you all ^^ |
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| 19:41.03 | vilemaxim | G400, yeah.. that sounds right. I think I remember it working with VESA, but then displaing the capture card wouldn't work. |
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| 19:42.00 | vilemaxim | debianito_, does knoppix work? |
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| 19:42.00 | vilemaxim | debianito_, I would do a checksum on the install cd too |
| 19:42.30 | debianito_ | actually my big problem is acpi irq9 sci edge set level trigger . so i tryed to install linux26 noapic nolapic...(I´m trying to install it from a netinst) but when installing it tells me no kernel found |
| 19:43.22 | debianito_ | so don´t really know if will work with 2.6 kernel |
| 19:43.37 | G400 | logfile |
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| 19:44.04 | vilemaxim | debianito_, have you tried knoppix? |
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| 19:44.13 | debianito_ | no vilemaxim |
| 19:44.15 | debianito_ | just suse |
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| 19:44.24 | GarethAdams | hi people :) |
| 19:44.26 | vilemaxim | debianito_, ok... so suse worked |
| 19:44.28 | debianito_ | and worked |
| 19:44.33 | vilemaxim | hmmmm |
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| 19:44.46 | vilemaxim | debianito_, they are probably using a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:44.52 | GarethAdams | In exim config, if relay_to_domains is empty, does that mean 'relay to all' or 'relay to none' |
| 19:44.59 | debianito_ | yes and i have installed xp also with no probs |
| 19:45.11 | vilemaxim | what about a checksum on the cd |
| 19:45.33 | vorpal | does anyone know what happened to the programs "top" and "ps" on etch-amd64 ? |
| 19:45.34 | debianito_ | ok will try to do that and will tell results |
| 19:45.36 | blondie | GarethAdams: none |
| 19:45.41 | blondie | (I think) |
| 19:45.49 | GarethAdams | k |
| 19:45.53 | blondie | it's a list of domains that can be relayed to |
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| 19:46.45 | GarethAdams | if you don't specify the IPs to accept connections from, it accepts from everywhere |
| 19:46.56 | GarethAdams | that was the reason I asked, it made me a little unsure |
| 19:47.03 | vorpal | apparently the procps package is not available for amd64 |
| 19:47.35 | seb- | why image placed before table on web page? (table BEFORE PNG in html) |
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| 19:47.54 | debianito_ | vilemaxim by the way is there any way to avoid all this...I mean if I don´t get "acpi irq9 sci edge set level trigger" error all will be solutionated. I read that I can also try to append in lilo.conf noapic nolapic...and i think I can try it....but I don´t know how I would append it |
| 19:48.25 | debianito_ | because if I cannot just run debian how to access this lilo.conf?¿ |
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| 19:49.14 | vilemaxim | debianito_, install grub instead or use knoppix |
| 19:49.52 | vilemaxim | wait.. I think you can send commands to lilo |
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| 19:50.20 | vilemaxim | it's been a while, but I know it will accept single |
| 19:50.50 | debianito_ | sorry I didn´t told u that the error I have got it, installing grub and I havent tryed with lilo |
| 19:51.04 | debianito_ | but i read to add that in lilo that´s why |
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| 19:51.45 | vilemaxim | with grub, just hit E for edit, when you are done type B for boot |
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| 19:52.28 | debianito_ | ok after installing debian write? |
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| 19:52.40 | jsizzle | greetings, I'm considering switching to running unstable on my laptop is migrating from testing to unstable able to be done or do I have to reload from scratch? |
| 19:52.46 | vilemaxim | yeah... at the grub boot screen |
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| 19:52.56 | ma3x | why xmms doesn't play m4a files? |
| 19:53.00 | debianito_ | tx and sorry for my nonsense questions |
| 19:53.15 | vilemaxim | debianito_, no problem, I hope it works for you |
| 19:54.02 | tosmo | jsizzle: just ajust the lines in sources.list |
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| 19:54.06 | vilemaxim | debianito_, I've never run into that paticular probably before, so I was just going into troubleshoot mode. Not sure it anything I suggested would work |
| 19:54.15 | ma3x | why xmms doesn't play m4a files? |
| 19:54.15 | starfishy | jsizzle: if you have to ask it would be prudent to reconsider |
| 19:55.05 | chealer | jsizzle: if you have to ask about unstable, don't use it |
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| 19:55.38 | resiak | !iyhtays |
| 19:55.38 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 19:56.07 | debianito_ | oks vilemaxim...by the way do u know if this error is solutionated in any further kernel or something...?(the error i mean is: acpi irq9 sci edge set level trigger ) |
| 19:56.23 | vilemaxim | ma3x, http://davesource.com/Solutions/20040419.AAC_m4a_Debian.html I got that after googling |
| 19:56.28 | G400 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.48 | jsizzle | bah, I've ran unstable in the past i just know sometimes there are quirks depending on how devel is going on migration so I wanted to see if I would run into anything |
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| 19:59.14 | sepski | jsizzle, http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable hopefully this is updated |
| 19:59.28 | vilemaxim | debianito_, If it is a ACPI problem, there are 3 ways to solve them that I know of. None are pretty and none work 100% of the time. |
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| 19:59.40 | treyh0 | what do you all think of the the dcca |
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| 19:59.48 | debianito_ | hmm... |
| 20:00.01 | debianito_ | can u tell them |
| 20:00.12 | vilemaxim | debianito_, 1. Upgrade the BIOS of the motherboard. 2. Grab the latest kernel and patch the latest ACPI patch to it. 3. Wait until the next kernel + ACPI pathc is out. |
| 20:00.19 | nekostar | hmm |
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| 20:00.30 | nekostar | couldnt read in that irssei !_! |
| 20:00.42 | debianito_ | ok i think 2 will be good |
| 20:00.55 | nekostar | when i install nvidia-glx it takes out x-window-system-core and xserver-xorg package.... |
| 20:00.56 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:00.56 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:01.06 | nekostar | has anyone got the nvidia drivers working with the latest etch upgrades? |
| 20:01.16 | roaet | !find linux source |
| 20:01.19 | ma3x | vilemaxim, too complicated |
| 20:01.39 | vilemaxim | debianito_, at debian administrator website has a good howto for installing fresh kernels the "debian way" |
| 20:01.57 | roaet | should I get linux-tree or linux-source ? |
| 20:02.05 | vilemaxim | www.debian-administration.org |
| 20:02.19 | vilemaxim | if you didn't know already |
| 20:02.48 | Eulex | roaet, linux-source |
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| 20:03.06 | chealer | nekostar: unlikely |
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| 20:04.03 | psychonate | er, there's a problem with nvidia drivers in etch? |
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| 20:04.42 | chealer | psychonate: yes |
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| 20:05.07 | treyh0 | !poop |
| 20:05.17 | psychonate | chealer, hmm, I'm on Etch. What is the problem with? |
| 20:05.18 | roaet | k |
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| 20:05.29 | mapinas | Hi, I have a problem. When trying to upgrade from udev 0.081-1 to 0.084-5 apt wants to remove hal,gnome,gnome-volume-manager. How do I solve this problem? I use testing, with kernel 2.6.12. |
| 20:05.40 | roaet | how do I make a link to my source.. thing? |
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| 20:06.18 | roaet | like, how do I put a link into my /usr/src/linux |
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| 20:06.34 | roaet | even though I have no idea where apt-get install linux-source put the source.. |
| 20:06.36 | roaet | that is confusing. |
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| 20:06.58 | nekostar | chealer, yeah seems its a bug reported already :/ |
| 20:07.11 | phreak | roaet: dpkg -L <package> to check it's contents. |
| 20:07.15 | psychonate | nekostar, can I get a link to that? |
| 20:07.20 | chealer | psychonate: see #352581 |
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| 20:07.23 | nekostar | is there a way to force xserver-xorg and x-window-system-core in? |
| 20:07.27 | nekostar | yeah one sec psychonate |
| 20:07.39 | nekostar | http://www.archivum.info/linux.debian.bugs.dist/2006-02/msg04173.html |
| 20:08.13 | Dimension | guten abend :) |
| 20:08.16 | lepton | roaet: to view what's in package foo "dpkg -L foo|less" |
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| 20:09.36 | zebalin4 | Where are the colors for ls -l set? A link is shown as a bright yellow and I can see it. Need to change it. |
| 20:09.53 | roaet | why not change your terminal profile? |
| 20:10.19 | nekostar | psychonate, as i understand that its a version problem on the packages? and adding in stable and then pinning might fix it? |
| 20:10.22 | zebalin4 | roaet: good idea. I use Konsole so it must be in there somewhere. |
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| 20:10.29 | nekostar | or is there a way to force an older package in? |
| 20:10.32 | zebalin4 | roaet: I thought it was a system-wide thing. |
| 20:10.46 | roaet | I dunno zebalin4. |
| 20:10.53 | nekostar | [perhaps stable nvidia-glx would still work on that xserver-xorg lol] |
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| 20:11.27 | Wanderer | Anyone familair with an issue where a compaq laptop refuses to take keyboard input at the 'base system configuration' stage on a fresh install? |
| 20:11.30 | roaet | woot sound working! |
| 20:11.33 | chealer | nekostar: use sid's drivers instead |
| 20:11.38 | nekostar | o: |
| 20:11.40 | roaet | now how the hell do I load a pcimia card |
| 20:11.45 | nekostar | pin with sid chealer ? |
| 20:11.51 | chealer | !esm |
| 20:11.51 | dpkg | i heard quick etch/sid mix is echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, duplicate your etch lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from sid rather than etch as usual. consider making sure you've read the APT HOWTO when setting this up, as it exposes to unstable packages |
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| 20:12.41 | nekostar | this should be fun ~_^ thanx chealer! |
| 20:12.46 | psychonate | nekostar, not sure. I use nvidia in Etch just fine. |
| 20:13.03 | nekostar | done a dist-upgrade lately? lol |
| 20:13.04 | nekostar | XD |
| 20:13.18 | psychonate | nekostar, I use the 7676 package from Nvidia's site. |
| 20:13.24 | nekostar | o.o |
| 20:13.32 | psychonate | nekostar, I hadn't gotten around to updating my version heh |
| 20:13.39 | nekostar | heh |
| 20:13.42 | psychonate | nekostar, but as far as I can tell it's working alright |
| 20:13.49 | psychonate | glxgears, ET, glxinfo |
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| 20:14.21 | psychonate | I did get a warning when I installed the driver though after updating X |
| 20:15.02 | nekostar | heh coo |
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| 20:15.08 | nekostar | ah |
| 20:15.56 | psychonate | here it was: |
| 20:15.57 | psychonate | ERROR: File '/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so' is not a symbolic |
| 20:15.58 | psychonate | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:16.13 | psychonate | it installed nonetheless |
| 20:16.13 | roaet | ah k |
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| 20:16.49 | psychonate | afaict |
| 20:16.49 | roaet | how do I make a symbolic link so things can use /usr/src/linux to access /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15 ? |
| 20:17.01 | roaet | ln -s ... ... |
| 20:17.14 | psychonate | ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15 /usr/src/linux |
| 20:17.18 | nekostar | deb http://security.debian.org/ sid/updates main contrib non-free <<-- apt says that doesnt exist there chealer |
| 20:17.24 | vilemaxim | debianito_, hey... I have to move on, but I was interested to know if that worked? |
| 20:17.32 | nekostar | just use the first reg lines and not the security for sid ? |
| 20:17.40 | roaet | wow.. i was mostly right. |
| 20:17.42 | roaet | thanks psychonate |
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| 20:18.03 | dan321 | Why do I get this crash on testing? kile: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2: undefined symbol: FT_GlyphSlot_Embolden |
| 20:18.08 | roaet | and um.. if I stuck in a pcimia card, how do I ... use it again? |
| 20:18.10 | chealer | nekostar: yeah |
| 20:18.19 | nekostar | ah my bad.. thanx chealer :D |
| 20:18.21 | chealer | dan321: ask #debian-kde |
| 20:18.35 | dan321 | ok |
| 20:18.35 | krassy | how i can compile just patched kernel using debian way ? |
| 20:18.43 | resiak | !kp mantra |
| 20:18.43 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 20:19.23 | saftsack_ | hi |
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| 20:20.25 | nekostar | ooooooooooooo thats AWESOME chealer !! |
| 20:20.43 | nekostar | bbiab :D |
| 20:20.46 | resiak | dan321: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=316031 |
| 20:21.02 | roaet | should I do make menuconfig in debian? |
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| 20:21.07 | roaet | or is that just a gentoo thing? |
| 20:21.10 | chealer | psychonate: the problem is about Debian packaging, not upstream's package |
| 20:22.30 | resiak | roaet: it's a kernel thing. |
| 20:23.02 | psychonate | chealer, ahh |
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| 20:23.06 | angler | hello |
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| 20:24.11 | angler | anyone know the differents between "pci=noacpi" and "acpi=off" |
| 20:24.31 | stew | angler: check docs/kernel-parameters.txt in the kernel source tree |
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| 20:24.59 | roaet | when I ctrl-alt-backspace to kill X, it starts it up again... is there a way to turn off X nicely? |
| 20:25.41 | angler | stew, thanks that's what I needed |
| 20:25.42 | eeyore- | there was a crash this morning, shown on tv (california). some dumbass crashed his ferrari while driving around 200mph (do they really go THAT fast?). http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_052110615.html |
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| 20:29.27 | ricochet | anyone know how to wipe all cvs info out of a tree? I know.. OT... but you guys are so smart! |
| 20:29.29 | starfishy | says 100mph there |
| 20:29.33 | starfishy | not 200 |
| 20:29.58 | starfishy | and I dont think there is a section of PCH where someone could accelerate to 200mph without more or less knowing they will crash |
| 20:30.07 | roaet | the nvidia setup says my version.h does not exist and that my /usr/src/linux has not been configured.. how does one.. configure this? |
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| 20:30.20 | avar | ricochet: rm -rf tree |
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| 20:30.51 | ricochet | avar: uh, no |
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| 20:31.00 | dondelelcaro | ricochet: find . -type d -name CVS -print0|xargs rm -fr; |
| 20:31.00 | avar | ricochet: that'll work |
| 20:31.12 | robhu_ | Hi - I'm fairly new to Debian - a bit more than a newbie but probably not a whole lot more... I'm using the Ion3 window manager, and am finding that I can copy things from firefox and paste them in the xterm but not vice versa. Has anyone got any obvious solutions for me? :-) |
| 20:31.14 | ricochet | avar: true. |
| 20:31.27 | dondelelcaro | s/rm/-0 &/ |
| 20:31.30 | avar | dondelelcaro: -exec |
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| 20:31.42 | ricochet | dondelelcaro, thanks! I seems to remember an actual cvs command that would do it. but ok! |
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| 20:32.05 | dondelelcaro | avar: no. that forks of 8 billion rms, instead of forking off one with the appropriate directories appended. |
| 20:32.19 | dondelelcaro | avar: time to learn about xargs -0 and print0 |
| 20:32.37 | avar | dondelelcaro: that depends on how many cvs directories there are |
| 20:32.46 | eeyore- | starfishy: yeah, varying speed figures :-) PCH is quite twisty, i know. even to get it up to 100 is tricky |
| 20:32.46 | roaet | How does one install ncurses so I can run make menuconfig =( |
| 20:32.56 | avar | and it doesn't fork anything |
| 20:32.58 | robhu_ | roaet: apt-get install ncurses-dev I think |
| 20:33.06 | dondelelcaro | avar: sure it does. it does an execve. |
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| 20:33.24 | roaet | so weird that it isn't installed by default |
| 20:33.30 | resiak | No, it's not |
| 20:33.33 | resiak | Why should it be? |
| 20:33.39 | robhu_ | roaet: apt-get install libncurses5-dev my system informs me :-) |
| 20:33.49 | ricochet | dondelelcaro: that command gets rid of .cvsignore files and such too? |
| 20:33.55 | roaet | so people can configure their kernel? |
| 20:34.20 | resiak | roaet: Do you think libgtk2.0-dev should be installed, so that people can compile random gtk2 apps? |
| 20:34.27 | dondelelcaro | ricochet: if you want to ditch them too, add a -name .cvsignore |
| 20:34.47 | robhu_ | roaet: I suspect some choice in the installer would have installed it |
| 20:35.07 | robhu_ | roaet: But then you can get kernel images from apt anyway, so I guess a lot of people don't do custom kernels |
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| 20:35.39 | T-u-N-i-X | anyone here using initng with cpufreq ? |
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| 20:36.03 | luckytux | \nick lucky_tux |
| 20:36.18 | luckytux | hi. kennt sich jemand mit InitNG unter Debian aus? |
| 20:36.23 | amee2k | what options do i need to add in fstab to have my USB drive mounted when it's plugged in? |
| 20:36.31 | dondelelcaro | !de |
| 20:36.31 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 20:37.05 | amee2k | luckytux: IRC commands are usually normal slash, not backslash |
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| 20:37.29 | amee2k | any ideas about fstab? |
| 20:37.34 | ribnitz | evening guys/gals. |
| 20:37.36 | luckytux | sry. ist das erste mal IRC :) |
| 20:37.37 | T-u-N-i-X | luckytux: i also try to make initng work |
| 20:37.59 | T-u-N-i-X | anyone here using initng with cpufreq ? |
| 20:38.03 | ribnitz | luckytux: ->#debian.de for german. |
| 20:38.06 | luckytux | wie seid ihr vorgegangen? kompilieren aus dem Tarball hat geklappt. und nun? |
| 20:38.20 | dondelelcaro | luckytux: /join #debian.de |
| 20:38.33 | saftsack_ | #!/bin/sh |
| 20:38.33 | saftsack_ | if [ -e /mnt/backup/.lock ]; then |
| 20:38.33 | saftsack_ | cp -a /mnt/esd/esd* /mnt/backup/ |
| 20:38.33 | saftsack_ | fi |
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| 20:38.34 | luckytux | ich hab in den *.i-dateien einfach die alten SysV-Init Skripte aufgerufen |
| 20:38.38 | ribnitz | Anyone here using/used evms? |
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| 20:38.50 | saftsack_ | hi |
| 20:38.53 | saftsack_ | sry 4 paste |
| 20:38.54 | _unstable | !tell ribnitz about anyone |
| 20:39.00 | _unstable | !tell saftsack_ about paste |
| 20:39.00 | saftsack_ | wil this script work? |
| 20:39.01 | T-u-N-i-X | luckytux: gehen sie zu #debian.de bitte |
| 20:39.15 | saftsack_ | debian.de ist nur was für weicheier ^^ |
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| 20:39.37 | luckytux | warum #debian.de? |
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| 20:39.42 | dondelelcaro | saftsack_: it will do something; the question is what you wanted it to doo... |
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| 20:39.45 | akcom | I just installed mod_python (apt-get install libapache2-mod-python) yet when I test it by going to http://localhost/test.py, it simply prompts me to download the file, any suggestions? |
| 20:39.47 | tosmo | luckytux: de: deutch |
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| 20:39.51 | Eulex | !de |
| 20:39.51 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 20:40.02 | luckytux | aso. asche über mein haupt. :) |
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| 20:40.18 | saftsack_ | dondelelcaro, i want it to copy thes files if the script can find a file which is called .lock |
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| 20:40.54 | dondelelcaro | saftsack_: yes, that'll do it. You may want to use -f instead of -e though. |
| 20:41.11 | saftsack_ | what does f and e stands for? f for file? |
| 20:41.22 | roaet | .... |
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| 20:41.29 | roaet | how do I install sshd =\ |
| 20:41.30 | Nicolas__ | Hello, I have a very strange problem: files downloaded with apt-get source sometimes get wrong UIDs. I filed a bug report some time ago, but didn't get answered ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325965 ). Could you please help me diagnosing this bug? |
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| 20:41.40 | _unstable | roaet: apt-get install shs |
| 20:41.42 | _unstable | roaet: apt-get install ssh |
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| 20:41.50 | dondelelcaro | roaet: apt-get install ssh; on sarge, apt-get install openssh-server on testing et al. |
| 20:42.03 | roaet | this is so different than gentoo, I'm sorry I'm asking stupid quesitons |
| 20:42.05 | roaet | questions too |
| 20:42.09 | edrin | WHY is testing that buggy at the moment |
| 20:42.11 | edrin | ??? |
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| 20:42.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell roaet -about search |
| 20:42.22 | _unstable | edrin: Because it's testing. |
| 20:42.22 | dondelelcaro | roaet: what dpkg just told you should help you out a bit |
| 20:42.26 | _unstable | !tell edrin about testing |
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| 20:42.31 | dondelelcaro | edrin: what bug in particular? |
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| 20:42.44 | saftsack_ | dondelelcaro, do you know, what -f means or do you know where to find a manpage? |
| 20:42.47 | roaet | ..... |
| 20:42.57 | dondelelcaro | saftsack_: help test |
| 20:42.58 | roaet | where the heck does apt-get put sshd =\ |
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| 20:43.09 | saftsack_ | thanks |
| 20:43.11 | Eulex | roaet, dpkg -L pkgname |
| 20:43.11 | dondelelcaro | roaet: dpkg -L openssh-server; (or dpkg -L ssh) |
| 20:43.16 | _unstable | roaet: dpkg -L ssh|grep -i bin |
| 20:43.41 | dusty- | How do i limit bandwidth with iptables? |
| 20:43.49 | roaet | it didn't install it |
| 20:43.58 | saftsack_ | dondelelcaro, so f would be the best. do i have to write test there or it is ok how it is? |
| 20:44.00 | _unstable | dusty-: /join #iptables ? |
| 20:44.03 | _unstable | !tell dusty- about iptables |
| 20:44.11 | dondelelcaro | Sememmon: [ and test are the same thing... |
| 20:44.13 | TCW | roaet, 1.) stable? |
| 20:44.16 | roaet | testing |
| 20:44.20 | dondelelcaro | s/Semmon/saftsack_/ |
| 20:44.20 | amee2k | hoe can I remove a package and all the dependencies which aren't needed anymore along with it? |
| 20:44.26 | TCW | roaet, why the hell? |
| 20:44.32 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: use aptitude, and then just aptitude remove foopkg; |
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| 20:44.41 | roaet | because someone gave me the iso |
| 20:44.47 | amee2k | ty |
| 20:44.50 | dondelelcaro | roaet: so install it. we don't install ssh by default. |
| 20:44.51 | _unstable | dusty-: You might want to apt-get install shapecfg |
| 20:44.52 | roaet | and because it's working, whereas the other image didn't work |
| 20:45.05 | roaet | i thought I did install ssh |
| 20:45.08 | TCW | roaet, if someone gave you a WinXP ISO would you have installed that too? |
| 20:45.11 | dusty- | _unstable, whats that? |
| 20:45.13 | roaet | with apt-get install ssh |
| 20:45.13 | dondelelcaro | TCW: relax. |
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| 20:45.36 | XoR | dusty-: iptables -I FORWARD -i eth0 -s 10.10.10.118 -m limit --limit 100/second --limit-burst 8 -j ACCEPT |
| 20:45.37 | Kerr_ | what's the command for the lame-nick-o-meter thing on dpkg ? |
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| 20:45.47 | dondelelcaro | roaet: it's not ssh anymore. It's openssh-server. dpkg -L openssh-server; to see the contents of that package. |
| 20:45.51 | dusty- | _unstable, is that cbq? |
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| 20:46.12 | TCW | dondelelcaro, I am not in the mood to relax... my dog did something she shouldn't! :) |
| 20:46.26 | dondelelcaro | TCW: then don't IRC for a while... |
| 20:46.38 | TCW | dondelelcaro, pfff |
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| 20:49.19 | AciD | !xorg |
| 20:49.20 | dpkg | xorg is probably X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.9. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 20:49.36 | Eulex | I think there was a setting somewhere that umounted and ejected the cd when you pressed the button on the drive, but I can't remember where |
| 20:49.37 | saftsack_ | thats not true ^^ |
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| 20:49.47 | saftsack_ | maybe 6.9 is true for debian peopl |
| 20:49.58 | ribnitz | Ok.New, virgin 250G harddisk to complement my (breaking down, but going-to-be-fixed) other 250G drive. Thinking about using evms with that drive. 1) do I need kernel patch evms (for 2.6.15-1-686-smp) 2) other tips, trick,s comments? |
| 20:50.00 | saftsack_ | but if you are a crazy gui test 7.0 modular + glx and compiz :) |
| 20:50.04 | saftsack_ | guy |
| 20:50.08 | Eulex | dpkg, no, xorg is probably X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 20:50.08 | dpkg | okay, Eulex |
| 20:50.17 | ribnitz | I am thinking about doing mirroring. |
| 20:50.24 | Eulex | hmm |
| 20:50.33 | Eulex | dpkg, no, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 20:50.33 | dpkg | Eulex: okay |
| 20:50.55 | dondelelcaro | Eulex: time to learn about regexes. |
| 20:51.10 | AciD | xorg latest version is 7 on sid ? |
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| 20:51.18 | dondelelcaro | AciD: no, it's not yet... |
| 20:51.28 | Seldon1975 | hey all, in order to use nVidia drivers on sarge there's an APT package i need to get isnt there? |
| 20:51.31 | Logica_estranha | pessoal....variando umpouco o assunto....algum de vc's é bom de lógica? |
| 20:51.35 | Seldon1975 | is it just apt nvidia |
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| 20:51.38 | dondelelcaro | Eulex: FE, in this case, you could have done dpkg: xorg =~ s/X11R6.9/X11R7.0/ |
| 20:51.39 | Eulex | dondelelcaro, I guess so. I don't know how to do regexes with dpkg. |
| 20:51.40 | roaet | what is sarge? |
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| 20:51.46 | chealer | !tell Seldon1975 about ngd |
| 20:51.49 | Eulex | dondelelcaro, ah, ty :) |
| 20:51.50 | chealer | !tell roaet about sarge |
| 20:52.01 | _tobe_ | Guten Abend ;-) |
| 20:52.04 | Seldon1975 | thx chealer |
| 20:52.05 | ribnitz | Seldon1975: get module-assistant, and run that to build it for your kernel. |
| 20:52.14 | roaet | !tell roaet about ngd |
| 20:52.24 | chealer | !tell roaet about selftell |
| 20:52.24 | ribnitz | _tobe_: hi there. |
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| 20:52.41 | AciD | !tell AciD about selftell |
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| 20:53.08 | _tobe_ | ribnitz: hi ;-) |
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| 20:53.55 | Nicolas__ | Hello, I have a very strange problem: files downloaded with apt-get source sometimes get wrong UIDs. I filed a bug report some time ago, but didn't get answered ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325965 ). Could you please help me diagnosing this bug? |
| 20:54.24 | Seldon1975 | chealer: that doesnt tell how to make the nv driver available (it isnt by default) |
| 20:54.47 | roaet | um. |
| 20:55.00 | roaet | my apt-get has never heard of nvidia-kernel-common |
| 20:55.28 | chealer | Seldon1975: it should |
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| 20:55.55 | Seldon1975 | chealer: it should be available, or that doc should tell how? |
| 20:56.19 | chealer | Seldon1975: sorry, it should be available |
| 20:56.33 | Seldon1975 | ok thx, I'll work it out |
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| 20:56.59 | chealer | roaet: the document mentions you need contrib and non-free sources |
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| 20:57.08 | roaet | non-free sources? |
| 20:57.18 | chealer | !tell roaet about non-free sources |
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| 20:57.49 | ribnitz | Darn. my screen is too small. Two (overlapping windows). |
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| 20:58.30 | Vinlyard | How does on chroot ssh/sftp users? I normally use vsftpd and there was a chroot user list. |
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| 20:59.23 | ekkikrist | Vinlyard: Check out rssh and/or scponly. |
| 20:59.24 | LSorensen | Vinlyard: ehm, not very easily. |
| 20:59.37 | LSorensen | Vinlyard: what gain do you expect to get from doing so? |
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| 21:01.54 | dma | hi |
| 21:01.56 | Vinlyard | Lsorensen -- from chrooting a user? Well I just have a few people that I would rather have stay put in their home directory. |
| 21:02.04 | dma | how do i disable ACL? |
| 21:02.21 | cisse | dma: what acl ? |
| 21:02.25 | roaet | Is there something terribly wrong with my debian installation? |
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| 21:02.35 | roaet | none of the methods to install nvidia drivers work' |
| 21:02.57 | dma | cisse: extended attrs on filesystem |
| 21:02.57 | roaet | apt-cache policy .... cannot locate packages that http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html tells me should exist. |
| 21:02.59 | chealer | roaet: do you have non-free and contrib sources? |
| 21:03.27 | chealer | roaet: use the guide the nvidia-graphics-drivers talks about, it mentions you need non-free and contrib sources |
| 21:03.42 | cisse | acl: probably with mount |
| 21:04.00 | cisse | roaet: check your sources.list they're clearly misconfigured as someone already cited |
| 21:04.10 | chealer | roaet: s/about/factoid about |
| 21:04.28 | roaet | I changed my sources.list to have main contrib non-free |
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| 21:04.43 | roaet | but in addition, it has etch |
| 21:04.47 | roaet | I have no idea what that is. |
| 21:04.49 | Vinlyard | hmm I thought chrooting ssh users would be a little easier, seems like a bit of a job from the looks of these howtos. |
| 21:04.51 | Eulex | !etch |
| 21:04.52 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 21:04.55 | darkcmd | its the testing branch of debian |
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| 21:05.13 | darkcmd | will be the stable branch someday |
| 21:05.20 | roaet | ok. well. my mirrors have etch main contrib non-free |
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| 21:05.49 | tr1gg3r | roaet, u need to apt-get update after adding sources also |
| 21:06.08 | roaet | ah |
| 21:06.21 | roaet | well. |
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| 21:06.25 | roaet | yes. |
| 21:06.29 | roaet | now I have it |
| 21:06.31 | buht-w | hey guys, did a make-kpkg on a new custom kernel, rebooted and i have a shitload of "unix: Unknown symbol sock_no_getsockopt" type of messages and it hangs during those messages... did i miss something? dies make-kpkg also take care of module installation once i dpkg -ithe deb package? |
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| 21:06.39 | ribnitz | darkcmd: will be like the basis for the next release. |
| 21:06.47 | roaet | ok then.. now I hide |
| 21:06.53 | roaet | thank you for help |
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| 21:07.27 | tr1gg3r | buht-w, yes make-kpkg will install the modules for u, sounds like u missed something in ur config |
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| 21:08.35 | darkcmd | enlightenment is pretty cool, but it really takes getting used to |
| 21:08.44 | amee2k | wtf? when doing "aptitude remove nvtv" it says "The following packages are unused and will be removed: apache2 ..." |
| 21:08.54 | amee2k | i mean, this is a web server! |
| 21:09.15 | Estes2 | is enlightenment still even developped ? i didn't notice any change in the last... like... 3 or 4 years |
| 21:09.38 | darkcmd | yes |
| 21:09.45 | darkcmd | I've checked out the DR17 cvs code |
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| 21:10.37 | cisse | Estes: e17 is in development, it's pretty amazing |
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| 21:11.00 | Gathond | E16 gets its occational bugfix update as well |
| 21:11.31 | athcsx | Hi all, I have one slight problem after upgrading from stable to testing, sound in most videos and games don't work. However, sound in XMMS works fine.... |
| 21:11.35 | athcsx | any ideas? |
| 21:12.03 | Estes2 | ok, thanks |
| 21:12.19 | Estes2 | And... any idea whn e17 should be realeased ? |
| 21:12.37 | onizuka | i need help installing mplayerplug-in for firefox when i do ./configure it dont make the plugin files |
| 21:12.40 | chealer | athcsx: any example? which desktop environment do you use? |
| 21:12.44 | cisse | Estes: 6mon-year id say, it's prealpha |
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| 21:13.04 | Estes2 | cisse, okay, thanks |
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| 21:13.16 | athcsx | chealer: I have tried in Gnome 2.12, Xfce 4.2.3, and Enlightenment DR17 (CVS) |
| 21:13.20 | chealer | !wayc onizuka |
| 21:13.20 | dpkg | onizuka: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 21:13.51 | chealer | athcsx: I meant an example of an app for which it doesn't work |
| 21:13.53 | athcsx | chealer: like mplayer has no sound, macromedia flash player has no sound, etc |
| 21:13.59 | bjk | anyone know how to get apt-get to download a .deb but not install or unpack it when the package is already installed? |
| 21:14.09 | cisse | -d |
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| 21:14.32 | bjk | cisse: doesn't work if the package is already installed. |
| 21:14.33 | asg | bjk: --reinstall -d |
| 21:14.34 | athcsx | chealer: I'm guessing it has to do with a wrong link to the sound device? (ie /dev/dsp and the like) |
| 21:14.37 | onizuka | i couldnt find the plugin on apt-get |
| 21:14.39 | bjk | asg: thanks |
| 21:14.43 | chealer | athcsx: well, those are not in Debian. is there anything we can support that doesn't work? |
| 21:14.47 | buht-w | where in /proc can i see what model of devices were detected on boot? like eth1 is a 3c905 and eth0 is an intel, etc. ? |
| 21:15.00 | cisse | bjk: if it's already installed the .deb is in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 21:15.04 | chealer | onizuka: mozilla-mplayer? |
| 21:15.20 | asg | buht-w: generally, dmesg, lspci, and lsusb will tell you that |
| 21:15.22 | athcsx | chelear: yes actually, foobillard (an opengl billards game) has no sound, neither does planetpenguin-racer |
| 21:15.34 | buht-w | asg, ok is there an lsagp or does agp show in lspci? |
| 21:15.43 | asg | buht-w: it shows in lspci |
| 21:15.54 | buht-w | asg, ty |
| 21:15.57 | chealer | athcsx: OK. what about trying other media players? those may be easier to debug |
| 21:16.18 | buht-w | asg, do things show up in lspci even if modules arent loaded for them? sort of like a hardware scan with out drivers? |
| 21:16.25 | Neverth | athcsx, got permissions to write on sound device? |
| 21:16.46 | onizuka | nope i do search for it and it dont show any results |
| 21:16.49 | athcsx | chealer: Yes, I think so, but let me check just in case.... |
| 21:17.00 | asg | buht-w: yes, if I remember correctly |
| 21:17.16 | buht-w | word, thanks again asg |
| 21:17.26 | chealer | onizuka: do you have contrib sources? |
| 21:18.19 | athcsx | Neverth/chealer: I have permissions to write to sound device if XMMS and Totem work ;-) |
| 21:19.29 | chealer | athcsx: yeah, I guess |
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| 21:19.56 | athcsx | chealer: but that still doesn't explain the discrepencies mentioned elsewhere |
| 21:20.08 | athcsx | chealer: so i'm kind of stuck . . . |
| 21:20.15 | positron | Hello. How do i restrict every other shell for users expect bash? |
| 21:20.37 | resiak | Remove them |
| 21:20.47 | resiak | and you probably mean except |
| 21:20.55 | chealer | athcsx: yeah. if you can't find a media player that doesn't work, test whether $ cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp; makes some sound |
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| 21:21.11 | nekostar | eh so wierd..... |
| 21:21.23 | pipeline | chealer: That's not a great idea... |
| 21:21.25 | resiak | positron: or did I misunderstand the question? You're asking how you can allow users only to use bash? |
| 21:21.39 | athcsx | chealer: well, when i tried that, I have no sound! |
| 21:21.43 | positron | resiak: thats what i asked |
| 21:21.47 | resiak | positron: You must not allow them to execute any other shell, which basically means remove them, or chmod a-x them |
| 21:21.47 | chealer | pipeline: hum...I'm trying it |
| 21:21.51 | positron | resiak: there was a typo |
| 21:21.52 | nekostar | when enabling the dual monitor support in xorg i keep getting a panning screen unless i stick to the 1024x768 resolution for each.... |
| 21:22.13 | resiak | positron: Or do weird stuff with selinux |
| 21:22.13 | onizuka | how do i find out if i have contrib sources im new to linux |
| 21:22.19 | chealer | pipeline: seems to work here. what would be better? |
| 21:22.21 | resiak | onizuka: grep contrib /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:22.39 | pipeline | chealer: using a simple media player? :P |
| 21:22.40 | positron | resiak: thx |
| 21:22.47 | pipeline | chealer: e.g. mpg123 |
| 21:22.53 | positron | is tclsh a security risk? |
| 21:23.01 | nekostar | anyone ever run into something like that? |
| 21:23.04 | pipeline | chealer: something that expects a sun-style audio device and doesn't know shit about OSS ioctls |
| 21:23.17 | delire_ | resiak: i notice that selinux now takes the --wave-rubber-goat option. |
| 21:23.34 | buht-w | when you go into a make menuconfig , with no prior .config file, are the defaults usually good to keep (2.6.15.4) ? most are modules? or should i go through them slowly and remove anything that i dont believe is needed? |
| 21:24.01 | chealer | pipeline: I agree it may not be the ultimate test. |
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| 21:24.14 | ribnitz | buht-w: Assume those packaging were not complete idiots. |
| 21:24.19 | chealer | athcsx: so, pipeline is suggesting to test mpg123 |
| 21:24.29 | resiak | positron: Why is any shell a security risk? |
| 21:24.32 | resiak | delire_: yes |
| 21:24.39 | LSorensen | chealer: mpg321 is free |
| 21:24.50 | positron | resiak: i dont know? could they be? |
| 21:24.54 | chealer | LSorensen: I was just checking that |
| 21:24.56 | resiak | buht-w: Why are you building your own kernel? |
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| 21:25.09 | chealer | pipeline: isn't mpg123 a bad choice? |
| 21:25.11 | resiak | positron: No more so than bash, which is just another shell. |
| 21:25.16 | ribnitz | positron: Any program running might be a security risk. |
| 21:25.20 | athcsx | chealer: mpg123 with an mp3 audio file works ;-) OMG |
| 21:25.43 | delire_ | buht-w: this is one of the biggest PITA's in kernel customisation. i have for a long time wanted a script to generate a "minimal config" based on lspci output and hardware detection goodness so config's can be built without the need to uncheck a gazillion unnecessary options. |
| 21:25.47 | positron | ok |
| 21:25.55 | resiak | !wayttd positron |
| 21:25.55 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, positron? |
| 21:25.56 | buht-w | resiak, i just wanted to get the most up to date 2.6.x kernel, the install put 2.6.8-2, but X will not start (gives pciReadError messages) so im trying to make it clean |
| 21:26.18 | buht-w | delire_, i hearthat |
| 21:26.19 | resiak | buht-w: You might want to try backporting a linux-image from etch rather than building one from scratch |
| 21:26.24 | akcom | I'm having trouble making python scripts executable in apache2, I have my config file set, but I believe its wrong, can anyone take a look and see if you find anything blatantly wrong? http://pastebin.com/565699 |
| 21:26.34 | buht-w | resiak, im on etch |
| 21:26.35 | onizuka | ok sorry but i still dont know if i have contrib sources or what it is |
| 21:26.38 | chealer | athcsx: there's no message when you try $ cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp; right? |
| 21:26.53 | Neverth | what's wrong with own self-compiled kernel? |
| 21:27.06 | positron | resiak: im a bit paranoid |
| 21:27.16 | resiak | buht-w: Then install a newer image. They're linux-image-* now |
| 21:27.17 | darkcmd | Neverth: I guess its not the DebianWay(tm) |
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| 21:27.21 | darkcmd | but I don't care |
| 21:27.22 | resiak | !debian kernel image |
| 21:27.22 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 21:27.27 | resiak | positron: Of what? |
| 21:27.28 | athcsx | chealer: No, it just goes for a couple seconds and says "no more memory on /dev/dsp". Although apparently when I tell mpg123 which audio device to use (ie /dev/dsp) it says the device in use |
| 21:27.38 | positron | resiak: security related issues |
| 21:27.44 | darkcmd | i know what's wrong if I get a kernel error |
| 21:27.46 | darkcmd | and how to fix it |
| 21:27.47 | Neverth | darkcmd, self compiled sometimes work better |
| 21:27.49 | resiak | positron: such as? |
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| 21:27.53 | buht-w | resiak, i used some network install to get testing and etch going, but i dont know where it put the kernel config from the 2.6.8-2 version. i wish i could find that and just do a make oldconfig |
| 21:27.57 | darkcmd | I personally rather get my own kernel |
| 21:28.02 | wesley_ | j #debian-br |
| 21:28.03 | darkcmd | debian kernels are slow, and machines lag |
| 21:28.06 | resiak | buht-w: /boot/config-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 21:28.24 | positron | resiak: that someone could do something malicious in other shell which cant be done in bash |
| 21:28.31 | basti`DND | Shell-Command, to list the needed space (volume? don't know the right word. :D ) of a directory? |
| 21:28.34 | buht-w | resiak, if i apt'd a new kernel image how does it know which drivers i might need? isnt it no different than a custom kernel? |
| 21:28.38 | _unstable | !mhallsmite darkcmd |
| 21:28.53 | darkcmd | hey debian is great, but the kernel images aren't so great |
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| 21:29.20 | ribnitz | is there a way to mnormalize audio levels to a common level (that Ideally is the same for all cds)? |
| 21:29.34 | ribnitz | darkcmd: Why arent they? |
| 21:29.41 | darkcmd | i personally don't care for them |
| 21:29.42 | chealer | athcsx: I don't know what that message means. if nobody can help, maybe Googling that could be helpful |
| 21:29.45 | _unstable | mhall What happened to mhallsmite |
| 21:29.50 | darkcmd | and some modules on machines that need them are missing |
| 21:29.58 | darkcmd | thus the box does not work |
| 21:30.01 | delire_ | _unstable: surely it hasn't gone!? |
| 21:30.01 | dondelelcaro | _unstable: I removed it because it's pointless. Please stop using the bots to abuse people. |
| 21:30.05 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: which kernel are you talking about? we have a few dozen kernel flavors. |
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| 21:30.14 | _unstable | delire_: I guess so, heh |
| 21:30.18 | darkcmd | I'm not looking for a flame war |
| 21:30.23 | darkcmd | hehe debian is great |
| 21:30.25 | delire_ | dondelelcaro: a piece of our history.. sigh |
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| 21:30.39 | kspath | !flamewar darkcmd |
| 21:30.40 | ribnitz | darkcmd: in 12 architectures? |
| 21:30.42 | _unstable | yea, that factoid was a historical e-document. :( |
| 21:30.49 | dondelelcaro | hardly. |
| 21:30.56 | dondelelcaro | it wasn't even that old... |
| 21:30.59 | darkcmd | anyway I'm leaving, I don't want to be here to be flamed |
| 21:31.06 | darkcmd | later |
| 21:31.09 | ribnitz | darkcmd: c ya |
| 21:31.10 | kspath | darn it |
| 21:31.13 | darkcmd | :) |
| 21:31.29 | Neverth | L4 kernel....mmmmm chocolate *kick* |
| 21:31.54 | athcsx | chealer: ok i am googling my problem ;-) |
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| 21:34.09 | kspath | NLoRD: MLoRD was just here. Said he came before you. Also said you would know what that meant. |
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| 21:34.13 | athcsx | chealer: does symlinking /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 to /usr/lib/libesd.so.1 help at all? |
| 21:34.14 | erde_ | i need a bash-cmd, to list the needed space (volume? don't know the right word. :D ) of a directory |
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| 21:34.37 | dondelelcaro | erde_: du -hs foodir |
| 21:35.09 | robster | find . -mtime -1 -print | tar -cvzf back.tgz -T - |
| 21:35.09 | robster | as far as i can see, this should tar up all the files changed in the last day, but instead it tars everything it can find, what have i got wrong? |
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| 21:35.20 | chealer | athcsx: hum, I doubt symlinking a shlib to a shlib of a different ABI is a good idea. you got that from Google? :) |
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| 21:35.42 | erde_ | thx dondelelcaro |
| 21:35.45 | onizuka | what do i do to get apt-get to find mozilla-mplayer? |
| 21:35.51 | athcsx | chealer: yes I did actually ;0 |
| 21:36.05 | chealer | onizuka: do you know whether you have contrib sources? |
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| 21:36.17 | kspath | NLoRD: I can survive that. At least it was not the truckload of Vaxen. |
| 21:36.20 | onizuka | i am still not sure but i think so |
| 21:36.40 | vincent_ | guys can anyone help me with Ubuntu, total noob here. I need to connect through a wireless network. I can see my SSID in terminal but I cant find the right syntax to connect |
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| 21:36.48 | onizuka | how do i find out |
| 21:36.52 | delmar | ok so how reliable is distributes compiling with distcc? because so far it seems to be a big load of crap which is surprising with all the cool stuff going on in the world with Linux and distributed processing.. in commercial environments.. anyone have any experiences with distcc good or bad? |
| 21:37.01 | kspath | !tell vincent_ about ubuntu |
| 21:37.31 | chealer | athcsx: that's probably not a good solution. but i wish I understood the link with esd. does esd monopolize /dev/dsp? |
| 21:38.15 | dondelelcaro | robster: you probably want find . -type f -mtime -1 -print, since tar will recursively archive directories |
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| 21:38.46 | elirips | hello people. i would like to have a user that cannot login. i changed /bin/bash to /bin/false, in /etc/passwd, but the user can still login - he just gets logout immediatly afterwards. can i avoid that? how? |
| 21:39.22 | dondelelcaro | elirips: use passwd -l login; man passwd; for details |
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| 21:40.00 | elirips | dondek: ah - i can do that using passwd and dont have to edit anything by hand :) thanks! |
| 21:40.21 | athcsx | chealer: man this thing's driving me nuts! |
| 21:40.34 | dondelelcaro | elirips: yes, you could have also done the shell thing by using chsh instead. |
| 21:40.50 | robster | dondelelcaro: you're absolutely right, thank you |
| 21:41.09 | chealer | athcsx: is there something that makes you think this would be esd-related? I don't know GNOME, but could you stop esd if it's running and try again? |
| 21:41.11 | elirips | dondelelcaro: if passwd does the same for me i'm happy. :) |
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| 21:41.40 | amee2k | i'm setting up the raid where web, ftp and rsync server will get their data from. is it more correct to place the mount in /media or in /var ? |
| 21:41.50 | athcsx | chealer: i have no idea if it is esd related, i'm just trying to see what works |
| 21:42.09 | chealer | athcsx: is there an esd process running? |
| 21:42.11 | dondelelcaro | robster: np; you may also find: find . -type f -mtime -1 -print0|xargs -0 tar -zvrf footar; usefull as well. |
| 21:42.31 | athcsx | chealer: nope |
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| 21:43.43 | robster | dondelelcaro: what on earth does that do? |
| 21:43.44 | Silent_al | hello again guys , mmm.. xgl on Debian testing , possible? |
| 21:43.44 | chealer | athcsx: you're using ALSA? |
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| 21:44.10 | chealer | Silent_al: probably, if you like spending your time enough |
| 21:44.28 | Silent_al | chealer, i have nothing better to do :D |
| 21:44.38 | athcsx | chealer: yes I am, I'm using ALSA with a self-compiled kernel 2.6.14 (but guaranteed to work, its worked with so many distros, its fool proof by now ;-) ) |
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| 21:45.09 | itrebal | i've got gnome and such all installed and working, but in the past when i've configured it, it would explode at me and not work at all.... any ideas? |
| 21:45.22 | chealer | Silent_al: well, feel free to go ahead :) |
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| 21:45.51 | kspath | !lart kspath |
| 21:45.57 | kspath | !lart kspath |
| 21:45.59 | Silent_al | !tell athcsx about fool |
| 21:46.00 | robster | itrebal: "not working at all" is really too vague for anyone to be able to help you i'm afraid |
| 21:46.00 | chealer | athcsx: just a guess, but is snd_pcm_oss loaded? |
| 21:46.25 | athcsx | chealer: well, let me check . . . |
| 21:46.38 | athcsx | chealer: no its not . . . |
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| 21:46.50 | chealer | athcsx: hum, that may help |
| 21:47.19 | itrebal | robster: i'm not sure what kind of detail to give.... the resolution doesnt change, and if it tries, X complains about no core devices or something, and one time X got completly removed from the system |
| 21:47.23 | athcsx | chealer: do i need snd_pcm_oss? |
| 21:47.50 | amee2k | i'm setting up the raid where web, ftp and rsync server will get their data from. is it more correct to place the mount point in /media or in /var ? |
| 21:48.13 | chealer | athcsx: I have the vaguest idea of snd_pcm_oss's purpose. I know it's related to /dev/snd |
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| 21:48.39 | meneg | whats the easiest way to file a bug report as a user of a package? |
| 21:48.44 | athcsx | chealer: did you say /dev/snd? that gives me one more idea . . . |
| 21:49.03 | kspath | !bts |
| 21:49.03 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 21:49.03 | chealer | !tell meneg about reportbug |
| 21:49.25 | kspath | !tell kspath about reportbug |
| 21:49.28 | chealer | athcsx: nice :) |
| 21:49.49 | athcsx | chealer: unfortunatley it doesn't work :-( |
| 21:49.52 | meneg | what is the "debbug" pack? |
| 21:50.11 | meneg | s/debbugs |
| 21:50.30 | chealer | meneg: did you check the package's description? |
| 21:50.40 | meneg | debbugs - The bug tracking system based on the active Debian BTS |
| 21:50.46 | chealer | athcsx: you loaded snd_pcm_oss and tested again? |
| 21:50.48 | meneg | nevermind |
| 21:50.54 | athcsx | chealer: yes, yes i did |
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| 21:50.59 | meneg | i suspect asshaterism |
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| 21:51.45 | chealer | athcsx: if Google and the message can't help you, I don't know, consider asking others |
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| 21:52.15 | junix|work | ok why when i do a apt-get upgrade...it tells me none of the packages are verified??? |
| 21:52.41 | starfishy | are you using one of the official mirrors? |
| 21:52.45 | vopr | try /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 21:52.52 | junix|work | starfishy: yes |
| 21:52.56 | jetsaredim | realizing that this is not the ubuntu/kubuntu channel - can someone help me with an apt question - even though it pertains to ubuntu |
| 21:52.59 | junix|work | starfishy: ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 21:53.07 | meneg | ah right, someone has reported the bug i found 2 days ago |
| 21:53.11 | meneg | thx for your help |
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| 21:53.26 | vopr | junix|work: try /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 21:53.26 | kspath | !tell jetsaredim about ubuntu |
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| 21:53.45 | jetsaredim | vopr: yes I'm aware of those channels |
| 21:53.58 | jetsaredim | again, I said its an apt question |
| 21:54.15 | kspath | And? |
| 21:54.26 | vopr | well, the bot will tell you how to resolve the problem |
| 21:54.27 | junix|work | vopr: i just did that, i still get asked if i want to install unauthenticated packages... |
| 21:54.32 | delmar | ok so how reliable is distributed compiling with distcc? because so far it seems to be a big load of crap which is surprising with all the cool stuff going on in the world with Linux and distributed processing.. in commercial environments.. anyone have any experiences with distcc good or bad? |
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| 21:54.38 | vopr | check if you got the key |
| 21:54.45 | chealer | kspath: I don't think the factoid will help |
| 21:54.49 | kspath | I think I will ask an rpm question related to fedora in rhel channel just because |
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| 21:55.04 | junix|work | vopr: gpg: key 2D230C5F: public key "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" imported |
| 21:55.04 | junix|work | gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found |
| 21:55.04 | junix|work | gpg: Total number processed: 1 |
| 21:55.05 | junix|work | gpg: imported: 1 |
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| 21:55.15 | jetsaredim | its not an ubuntu-related question |
| 21:55.19 | meneg | someone please fix lirc, 2 bug reports for the same thing, no drivers at all compiled in it |
| 21:55.33 | meneg | its actually unusable |
| 21:55.37 | nekostar | Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/sid/main/source/Sources.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch <<--- >_< md5 sum mismatch? could they just be updateing or osmething? |
| 21:55.41 | nekostar | *something |
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| 21:55.53 | jetsaredim | is a dpkg question |
| 21:56.03 | junix|work | vopr: http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 21:56.05 | junix|work | oops |
| 21:56.09 | jetsaredim | is there a channel for dpkg-related questions |
| 21:56.10 | chealer | jetsaredim: dpkg or APT? |
| 21:56.14 | jetsaredim | dpkg |
| 21:56.16 | chealer | jetsaredim: no |
| 21:56.17 | vopr | junix|work: try gpg --list-keys |
| 21:56.23 | junix|work | vopr: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1893 |
| 21:56.55 | athcsx | chealer: i have no idea what i did, but i have sucess at last! |
| 21:57.15 | junix|work | vopr: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1894 |
| 21:57.20 | chealer | jetsaredim: well, you don't seem to be confident enough about the bug's nature to be sure it's an upstream bug if you confuse APT and dpkg |
| 21:57.36 | chealer | athcsx: ah, that's better than nothing |
| 21:57.37 | jetsaredim | ok ok - my mistake its dpkg |
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| 21:58.17 | athcsx | chealer: it sure is, plus no I can listen to all the neat sounds on the House of Flying Daggers DVD ;-) |
| 21:58.27 | abrotman | jetsaredim: if you got your dpkg from kubuntu/ubuntu .. you should ask them. |
| 21:58.56 | kspath | !lart kspath |
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| 21:59.15 | kspath | there are the VAXen , I was wondering where they were hiding. |
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| 21:59.20 | chealer | athcsx: sorry, this is missing to my culture, but I share your joy |
| 21:59.27 | shogunx | hey be careful with those VAX |
| 21:59.33 | jetsaredim | abrotman: i have, but at this point - it doesn't matter - you guys obviously don't want to help so I'll leave |
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| 21:59.36 | athcsx | chealer: thanks for your time and help, i greatly appreciate it. |
| 21:59.41 | abrotman | yay! |
| 22:00.05 | meneg | hey dont harass teh noobs |
| 22:00.08 | kspath | !going-away-party |
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| 22:00.11 | chealer | athcsx: hehe. next time ask the bot for help, it may work as much :) |
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| 22:01.05 | vopr | junix|work: just realized my pms got blocked by server, sorry |
| 22:02.01 | abrotman | meneg: if he were a debian noob .. that's one thing .. he's an ubuntu user |
| 22:02.06 | shogunx | if only there was an iptables option to block pms! |
| 22:02.19 | abrotman | shogunx: you can use /ignore to block all /msg iirc |
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| 22:02.24 | zebalin4 | abrotman: beep |
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| 22:02.31 | abrotman | zebalin4: BIG FUCKING BEEP! |
| 22:02.32 | athcsx | chealer: I prefer human interaction ;-) |
| 22:02.36 | junix|work | vopr: pms??? |
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| 22:02.48 | shogunx | abrotman not private messages... my wifes pms. |
| 22:02.51 | zebalin4 | abrotman: you're in a good mood. |
| 22:03.02 | chealer | athcsx: do I look like a human? |
| 22:03.07 | abrotman | shogunx: that's called "Divorce" .. quite effective .. popular on the west coast of .us |
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| 22:03.21 | abrotman | zebalin4: no .. actually not . i'm ill .. and a server has gone 100% belly up |
| 22:03.25 | onizuka | ok i fount out i didnt have contrib sources i got them now i tried to install firefox-mplayer but i got an error mozilla-mplayer: Depends: mplayer (>= 0.92) but it is not installable or"and about 10 more lines of is not installablemsg " |
| 22:03.30 | Jambon | hey, what do you guys think is the most complete debian distro? |
| 22:03.34 | abrotman | debian |
| 22:03.39 | kspath | abrotman: whereis wife swapping popular? also west coast of .us? |
| 22:03.47 | abrotman | kspath: utah |
| 22:04.01 | athcsx | chealer: i don't know? Uh oh! Robots have taken over! **running away** |
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| 22:04.04 | vopr | junix|work: seems like you got the key in your keyring, try to export it with gpg --export 2D230C5F --armor |
| 22:04.04 | kspath | Jambon: Sarge |
| 22:04.12 | dumezil | where do i specify module options? using modconf i've loaded this module, but i don't want to unload it and reload it to specify options. i just want it, upon next reboot, to have these specified options... |
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| 22:04.47 | junix|work | vopr: ?? |
| 22:04.53 | Jambon | i meant from a clean install |
| 22:05.14 | kspath | Jambon: Sarge |
| 22:05.16 | athcsx | bye all! I have to get going . . . |
| 22:05.27 | vopr | try to export debian public key |
| 22:05.28 | shogunx | abrotman unfortunately, the divorce package has lots of nasty dependencies, like child support and the like. |
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| 22:06.46 | kspath | Is today Sunday? It sure feels like it. |
| 22:07.43 | chealer | kspath: you're pessimistic. the week is just starting |
| 22:08.00 | kspath | Sunday is the first day of the week. |
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| 22:08.56 | fatbrain | is there a partition manager available in debian? |
| 22:09.00 | exmethix | http://matrixsplash.altervista.org/ <---- How to install this on debian system? |
| 22:09.10 | exmethix | I want to install version 2 |
| 22:09.17 | kspath | cfdisk fdisk parted qtparted |
| 22:09.36 | fatbrain | thanks |
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| 22:11.00 | kspath | chealer: common mistake people make is the get exhausted over every weekend like they are on a 3day pass from some major military conflict and have to party like there is no tomorrow. Sunday is the first day of the next week to prepare for it and rest up for it. Friday evening and Saturday are for getting exhausted. |
| 22:11.06 | exmethix | can anybody help me? |
| 22:12.00 | kspath | exmethix: No one knows yet. You must provide information and a query/problem in order for anyone to attempt to help you. |
| 22:12.57 | exmethix | kspath: I want to install that package on debian.... Iam new |
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| 22:13.01 | exmethix | kspath: ;) |
| 22:13.28 | kspath | exmethix: I do not know what "that" package is. |
| 22:13.43 | exmethix | kspath: could you look at it? |
| 22:13.59 | exmethix | http://matrixsplash.altervista.org/ |
| 22:14.04 | kspath | no |
| 22:14.12 | exmethix | kspath: ok |
| 22:14.18 | kspath | someone else I be able to help |
| 22:15.22 | epsilon | exmethix: ask the developer |
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| 22:15.47 | exmethix | epsilon: i will try |
| 22:16.00 | kspath | s/I/might/ |
| 22:16.03 | exmethix | Thank you guys i will goto sleep now (germany) ;) |
| 22:16.14 | fatbrain | Any user-friendly x-term applications for partition managing? |
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| 22:16.57 | kspath | fatbrain: what is user friendly about managing partitions correctly? fdisk cfdisk parted and qtparted are just fine. |
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| 22:17.49 | fatbrain | kspath: I meant *foolproof:ish*. |
| 22:18.05 | edrin | for security reasons packages should not be configured to listen on all interfaces by default... why are som many pkgs configured like that??? |
| 22:18.20 | kspath | fatbrain: there is no such thing not even for Micro$haft Winblowz |
| 22:18.23 | fatbrain | is partman any good? |
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| 22:18.33 | kspath | fatbrain: try it |
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| 22:18.43 | fatbrain | will do |
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| 22:19.17 | kspath | edrin: dain bramaged users |
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| 22:19.53 | kspath | edrin: it should just work to the point that reading and writing and answering questions is too much for them. |
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| 22:21.50 | kspath | fatbrain: parted - The GNU Parted disk partition resizing program |
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| 22:26.21 | Kimy | hi, could anyone tell me how could i install a ftp server on debian ? |
| 22:26.34 | nekostar | apt-get install pure-ftpd |
| 22:26.37 | nekostar | :) |
| 22:26.45 | Kimy | thankiu nekostar :) |
| 22:26.49 | nekostar | btw |
| 22:27.03 | nekostar | create your config at /etc/pure-ftpd/pure-ftpd.conf |
| 22:27.11 | kspath | or vsftpd |
| 22:27.15 | nekostar | the folder should be there after install but the ocnf might not be |
| 22:27.21 | nekostar | or proftpd |
| 22:27.22 | nekostar | XD |
| 22:27.37 | madazulu | glftpd |
| 22:27.43 | nekostar | actually |
| 22:27.51 | nekostar | apt-cache search ftp server |
| 22:27.52 | nekostar | >:P |
| 22:28.01 | Silent_al | !tell Kimy about ftp |
| 22:28.13 | nekostar | now if i could figure where the debian menu ran off to i might be a bit happier !_! |
| 22:28.15 | kspath | or apt-cache search ftpd |
| 22:28.26 | nekostar | heh |
| 22:28.31 | nekostar | or google ftp debian |
| 22:28.37 | nekostar | and then install some compiling stuff |
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| 22:28.40 | nekostar | its endless >_< |
| 22:28.52 | Kimy | pure-ftpd can be run from inetd or as standalone daemon ? |
| 22:28.54 | pipeline | Is there anything like the OpenOffice "document converter" that accepts word perfect as input? |
| 22:28.59 | nekostar | yeah |
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| 22:29.09 | pipeline | Kimy: If you have such a complicated ftp site as to require pure-ftpd, you probably want it running standalone. |
| 22:29.09 | nekostar | yeah >> Kimy |
| 22:29.26 | Kimy | no actually |
| 22:29.29 | Kimy | i want to creat a forum |
| 22:29.41 | Kimy | and that requieres ftp access |
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| 22:30.38 | Estes2 | Kimy, What you exactly want to do ? |
| 22:30.57 | Estes2 | a forum from which you can upload stuff ? |
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| 22:31.24 | Kimy | hm I'm kind of newbie.. well i downloaded a forum from simple machines |
| 22:31.44 | Kimy | I'm trying to install it true webinterface but this requieres ftp access |
| 22:31.51 | pipeline | Kimy: No, no it doesn't. |
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| 22:32.01 | pipeline | Kimy: You're probably following a bad set of instructions. :| |
| 22:32.06 | Kimy | This installer can connect via FTP to fix the files that need to be writable and are not. If this doesn't work for you, you will have to go in manually and make the files writable. Please note that this doesn't support SSL right now. |
| 22:32.09 | krassy | i am going to compile a custom kernel i just finish with make menuconfig. What is a next step ? |
| 22:32.24 | Kimy | i changed permission to all that files.. |
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| 22:33.02 | Kimy | Unable to connect to FTP server with this combination of details. |
| 22:33.04 | tty | krassy: http://subliminal-hate.org/page.php?5 is a walk through i put together |
| 22:33.04 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 22:33.19 | chealer | krassy: are you sure the kernel-package doc doesn't address that? |
| 22:33.26 | fatbrain | hm, when I create a new user in my debian system, I log in using that new user, and when I start use elinks I get "Host not found" for all my urls. Do I have to do something special to get elinks to be able to do lookups for new users? |
| 22:33.46 | krassy | chealer:no i am not sure |
| 22:34.08 | chealer | krassy: I recommend you to verify |
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| 22:34.17 | Estes2 | krassy, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 22:34.25 | kspath | fatbrain: are you using DHCP? Do you have a network interface? is there anything in /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 22:34.41 | Estes2 | krassy, follow those instructions, will do it |
| 22:35.10 | Fox_1_ | i need ntp server which are working. |
| 22:35.11 | fatbrain | kspath: when I do cat /etc/resolv.conf I get "nameserver 192.168.0.1". |
| 22:35.14 | Dimension | bin ma schlafen... gute nacht |
| 22:35.36 | fatbrain | kspath: I'm ablt to do lookups using nslookup-app, and wget seems to work. |
| 22:35.46 | fatbrain | able* |
| 22:35.51 | kspath | fatbrain: does 192.168.0.1 exist? Does it run a NS server or a proxy for your ISPs NS servers? |
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| 22:36.18 | fatbrain | 192.168.0.1 exists, it's my internet-proxy thingie. |
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| 22:36.37 | kspath | fatbrain: unless you told elinks about a proxy everything should be fine |
| 22:36.48 | Anthro | I am trying to use wget to verify that the website I have mirrored is complete with respect to relative links. I don't care about absolute URLs, just relative (and images and CSS and scripts and similar resources). I thought wget -np --spider index.html would do it, but it does not. Neither does a file:/// URL for the index.html, or anything else I've tried. Can anyone help me out? |
| 22:36.59 | fatbrain | kspath: ok, thanks (elinks works just fine when I run it under su) |
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| 22:37.21 | kspath | fatbrain: did you have it restricted somehow? |
| 22:37.26 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 22:37.47 | kspath | fatbrain: normal users with normal shell should be able to use NS by default. |
| 22:37.48 | fatbrain | kspath: not that I know of, I wouldn't know how to restrict elinks :/ |
| 22:38.09 | kspath | fatbrain: elinks is not su root now is it? |
| 22:38.10 | fatbrain | kspath: that's whats corky, I can use NS using nslookup and wget. |
| 22:38.31 | fatbrain | kspath: no (?) |
| 22:38.46 | kspath | fatbrain: where was su used? |
| 22:39.25 | fatbrain | I used it to test elinks, it worked when I was su (root). but not for my normal user. |
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| 22:39.40 | abrotman | who knows the minimum RAM required for the sarge installer? 24MB? |
| 22:39.54 | SlayerXP | abrotman: 1 ram is sufficient. |
| 22:39.55 | kspath | fatbrain: other tools to know about are dig, whois, mtr, host, traceroute, and ping amoung others |
| 22:40.12 | abrotman | SlayerXP: F off |
| 22:40.19 | SlayerXP | abrotman: BAAAAAH! :) |
| 22:40.26 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 22:40.26 | SerajewelKS | why is dosemu in contrib? |
| 22:40.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 |
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| 22:40.29 | fatbrain | kspath: ok, thanks :) |
| 22:40.34 | kspath | fatbrain: it should not need root to access NS but oh well... |
| 22:40.41 | mikeX_ | do debian have xgl support |
| 22:40.42 | SerajewelKS | the only thing it needs is freedos, which is... well, free |
| 22:40.43 | mikeX_ | ? |
| 22:40.50 | BucWheat | any octave users in the chan? |
| 22:40.58 | SerajewelKS | mikeX_: if you mean an xgl package, no. |
| 22:41.09 | krassy | chealer:What meens " using defaults found in /boot/config-2.4.27-2-386" ? |
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| 22:41.14 | SerajewelKS | BucWheat: is that what you want to know, or do you have a more specific question? |
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| 22:41.18 | fatbrain | kspath: no, the other tools can access NS, so it has to be some elinks specific stuff, I'm checking its configuration now. |
| 22:41.33 | dumezil | where do i specify modules options? i load the atyfb module on boot and i want to specify what resolution to use... where do i do that? |
| 22:41.41 | BucWheat | SerajewelKS i'm doing an IRC survey on the number of octave users in #debian |
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| 22:41.42 | mikeX_ | SerajewelKS: so i have to download the source and compile it right?the problem is tha i didn't find good documentation |
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| 22:41.58 | BucWheat | SerajewelKS j/k. of course i have a more specific question :-D |
| 22:42.14 | SerajewelKS | mikeX_: basically yes. but we can't really help you compile it, at least that's not what #debian is for. |
| 22:42.17 | SerajewelKS | BucWheat: so ask it |
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| 22:42.30 | SerajewelKS | !poll |
| 22:42.31 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 22:42.32 | SerajewelKS | BucWheat: ^^^ |
| 22:42.38 | BucWheat | i would like to pick your octave using minds on an application i'm working on that currently uses gnuplot in debian but isn't working out to well |
| 22:42.42 | Lord-Dark | Hum |
| 22:42.55 | Lord-Dark | Ola |
| 22:43.04 | Lord-Dark | Pas De Francais Ici ? |
| 22:43.07 | SerajewelKS | !fr |
| 22:43.07 | dpkg | it has been said that fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
| 22:43.12 | SerajewelKS | Lord-Dark: ^^^ |
| 22:43.13 | mikeX_ | SerajewelKS: i didn't ask for help in compilation...however if sb knows where i can find good docs it'll be helpfull |
| 22:43.21 | Lord-Dark | SerajewelKS ? |
| 22:43.28 | SerajewelKS | Lord-Dark: see what dpkg said |
| 22:43.33 | Lord-Dark | Hein ? |
| 22:43.38 | Lord-Dark | I Am From France |
| 22:43.39 | azeem | Lord-Dark: /join #debianfr |
| 22:43.41 | SerajewelKS | !tell Lord-Dark about fr |
| 22:43.48 | azeem | Lord-Dark: on ne parle pas francais ici |
| 22:43.51 | SerajewelKS | Lord-Dark: i know that. which is why you should read what dpkg said. |
| 22:43.57 | Lord-Dark | Azeem Et Toi ? |
| 22:44.02 | azeem | Lord-Dark: moi non plus |
| 22:44.08 | azeem | Lord-Dark: this is an english channel |
| 22:44.09 | SerajewelKS | mikeX_: the general routine is: ./configure && make && make install |
| 22:44.16 | Lord-Dark | Azeem Mais Il Ya Des Francais Ici ? |
| 22:44.18 | SerajewelKS | mikeX_: given the complexity of X, that may or may not work |
| 22:44.23 | mikeX_ | heh |
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| 22:44.31 | mikeX_ | i 'll try it... |
| 22:44.35 | SerajewelKS | Lord-Dark: go to #debianfr, they speak french |
| 22:44.51 | Lord-Dark | -_- |
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| 22:44.54 | azeem | Lord-Dark: si tu parle une ligne en francais en plus ici, tu va etre expulse |
| 22:45.04 | azeem | Lord-Dark: /join #debianfr |
| 22:45.11 | Lord-Dark | C'est Fais |
| 22:45.15 | Lord-Dark | Oups |
| 22:45.18 | Lord-Dark | Sorry |
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| 22:45.25 | dumezil | what file stores module options? |
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| 22:45.46 | SerajewelKS | azeem: auto-rejoin scripts, woot |
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| 22:45.54 | SerajewelKS | \o/ |
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| 22:46.11 | SerajewelKS | dumezil: /etc/modules might be what you're after |
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| 22:47.41 | fatbrain | kspath: I killed all the elinks processes, the NS-resolving works now, thanks for putting up with me :) |
| 22:47.42 | abrotman | azeem: #debian-fr iirc |
| 22:47.56 | streuner | !fr |
| 22:47.56 | dpkg | fr is probably Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
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| 22:48.12 | abrotman | oh .. theym oved it |
| 22:48.24 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.27 | azeem | abrotman: #debian-fr has a bot which auto-/kicks people when they say 'lol' |
| 22:48.30 | streuner | so the factoid is ok |
| 22:48.38 | abrotman | hehe .. i like that |
| 22:48.42 | azeem | abrotman: with kick-reasons like 'dirty fascist' |
| 22:48.49 | abrotman | oh .. that's not good |
| 22:49.02 | abrotman | what is #debian-france? |
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| 22:49.26 | abrotman | !cheesesteak kspath |
| 22:49.45 | kspath | !french abrotman |
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| 22:50.01 | goron | After a upgrade my time is wrong by an hour. |
| 22:50.02 | kspath | !frite abrotman |
| 22:50.07 | jetscreamer | !fuck * |
| 22:50.09 | SerajewelKS | holy mother of love, dosemu + timidity sounds absolutely HORRIBLE |
| 22:50.12 | goron | I use NTP. |
| 22:50.23 | kspath | goron: you have been upgraded to another time zone congratulations! |
| 22:50.24 | streuner | goron: and have XP installed? |
| 22:50.33 | broomy | i cant kill an aplication with killall (aplication name) what can i test more? |
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| 22:50.52 | SerajewelKS | broomy: you want killall -KILL |
| 22:50.54 | goron | streuner: not yet. I heard that's a Next Generation Linux,.. |
| 22:51.00 | goron | kspath: Thanks :) |
| 22:51.00 | kspath | broomy: your regex skillz or pkill |
| 22:51.06 | goron | kspath: I appreciate that. |
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| 22:52.18 | goron | So, how do I get back in my own time zone? |
| 22:52.26 | kspath | bus |
| 22:52.28 | broomy | killall -KILL worked, yay, so why is killall -KILL different from good old killall? |
| 22:52.49 | streuner | goron: tzconfig |
| 22:52.51 | kspath | broomy: rtfm signals |
| 22:53.08 | goron | kspath: Time zone was not changed. |
| 22:53.15 | goron | streuner: that was for you. |
| 22:53.18 | streuner | goron: if that doesn't work set 'UTC=no' in /etc/default/rcS |
| 22:53.26 | kspath | goron: It was wishful thinking. ;) |
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| 22:54.01 | goron | streuner: That's already the setting. |
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| 22:54.37 | SerajewelKS | broomy: 'killall' uses SIGTERM, 'killall -KILL' uses SIGKILL |
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| 22:54.46 | kspath | goron: you moved trough time amounting to a total of 60 minutes while all else stayed as is. |
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| 22:56.22 | sid | I need help to make a diagram with sql2diagram |
| 22:56.24 | sid | Hi room |
| 22:56.32 | SerajewelKS | !room |
| 22:56.32 | goron | kspath: Hmm, I more like think that some Debian maintainer f*cked up. |
| 22:56.32 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 22:56.36 | sid | Someone sql2diagram |
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| 22:56.49 | SerajewelKS | sid: this is not a homework channel |
| 22:57.04 | sid | SerajewelKS, then? |
| 22:57.08 | onizuka | how do i change my default browser to firefox? |
| 22:57.19 | goron | onizuka: what DE? |
| 22:57.23 | SerajewelKS | sid: rtfm and/or ask your professor |
| 22:57.23 | sid | SerajewelKS, where can I find a room? |
| 22:57.34 | SerajewelKS | sid: they're called channels, not rooms |
| 22:57.35 | ribnitz | sid: the idea behind homework is usully that people learn something. |
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| 22:57.47 | sid | SerajewelKS, my professor is a Microsoft user |
| 22:57.48 | goron | !homework |
| 22:57.48 | dpkg | Given at strip joint, and the time for strip joint is during a recession. |
| 22:57.54 | Estes2 | sid, is this even a debian package ? |
| 22:57.56 | ribnitz | sid: not that they use MATLAB or whatever to do the work for them. |
| 22:58.04 | SerajewelKS | sid: and? |
| 22:58.20 | kspath | sid: your professor is a moron? |
| 22:58.22 | onizuka | goron onizuka: what DE?... idk what you mean? |
| 22:58.31 | goron | onizuka: GNOME/KDE |
| 22:58.32 | SerajewelKS | sid: my prof is a microsoft userand it annoys the hell out of me, but i still do the homework. |
| 22:58.35 | sid | XD |
| 22:58.36 | goron | onizuka: /... |
| 22:58.38 | SerajewelKS | sid: or ask him when i'm having trouble. |
| 22:58.55 | onizuka | gnome |
| 22:58.57 | sid | Please, I need generate a diagram from sql file |
| 22:58.59 | sid | someone? |
| 22:59.08 | SerajewelKS | sid: google, rtfm, as your prof |
| 22:59.12 | SerajewelKS | sid: we are not here to do your homework |
| 22:59.23 | sid | SerajewelKS, I have problems with sql2diagram |
| 22:59.31 | goron | onizuka: you can do something in the menu "work environment" (translated back from my native language) |
| 22:59.35 | sid | SerajewelKS, stfu! |
| 22:59.36 | junix|work | is there a problem with kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686??? |
| 22:59.36 | Estes2 | sid, rtfm |
| 22:59.38 | goron | onizuka: Then Standard applications. |
| 22:59.42 | SerajewelKS | sid: learn to help yourself before we will help. "How do i use X" is not asking an intelligent question and it demonstrates a complete lack of willingness to learn and do reasearch. |
| 23:00.01 | goron | onizuka: Then you get a menu with standard applications. Can't be much simpler :) |
| 23:00.06 | SerajewelKS | sid: which, iirc, is the point of homework |
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| 23:00.36 | SerajewelKS | sid: google, read manuals, and think. it will take longer, but you will learn more than if we spoonfed you the answer. |
| 23:00.39 | sid | SerajewelKS, yes all right thanx |
| 23:00.51 | petemc | sid: apt-cache search sql diagram |
| 23:01.05 | goron | As Morpheus would put it: "There's a difference between knowing the path, and walking the path". |
| 23:01.08 | sid | I had been reading about sql2diagram and I Can't do it |
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| 23:01.19 | SerajewelKS | sid: then maybe you shouldn't be a DBA |
| 23:01.22 | sid | petemc, :| |
| 23:01.25 | SerajewelKS | sid: rethink your career path |
| 23:01.35 | petemc | sid: that should mention dia, its a good tool |
| 23:01.39 | onizuka | goron thx |
| 23:01.56 | goron | onizuka: there's also #gnome for these things, btw. |
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| 23:02.02 | abrotman | petemc: but does it generate from sql ? |
| 23:02.04 | onizuka | ok :p |
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| 23:02.07 | lean | Hello, I am trying to downgrade Ubuntu (shame on me) Dapper to Breezy. This is an unstable to a stable version. I have set the priority higher with pinning for Breezy. But there are conflicts because some packages is in Dapper, that are not in Breezy. Is there any nice solution to this? |
| 23:02.09 | sid | mark1:~/tesis/sql2diagram-sxd-1.0.5# apt-cache search sql diagram |
| 23:02.09 | sid | dia2code - a dia-UML code generator |
| 23:02.09 | sid | tedia2sql - Converts a Dia diagram to various SQL dialects |
| 23:02.09 | sid | postgresql-autodoc - utility to create system tables overview in HTML, DOT and XML |
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| 23:02.16 | petemc | abrotman: i think it will do uml diagrams from sql, aye |
| 23:02.16 | SerajewelKS | lean: #ubuntu |
| 23:02.28 | blondie | lean: #ubuntu |
| 23:02.31 | abrotman | downgrade not possible |
| 23:02.35 | lean | thx |
| 23:02.52 | abrotman | use format! |
| 23:02.56 | blondie | THIS IS |
| 23:02.59 | lean | well, it is a apt question |
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| 23:03.03 | blondie | THIS IS #ubuntu |
| 23:03.12 | abrotman | lean: no . it's an ubuntu question |
| 23:03.13 | blondie | lean: not a debian question though is it |
| 23:03.14 | goron | It is? |
| 23:03.15 | Gadsden | Hi - I'm new to Linux and am about to install Debian. Am I right that the linux installer will partition my drive for my so I can have dual-boot? |
| 23:03.18 | lean | I could have just said Sid to Sarge |
| 23:03.22 | abrotman | lean: do you take all your RPM questions to #redhat? |
| 23:03.25 | blondie | abrotman: no it's a ubuntu question o.o |
| 23:03.32 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 23:03.40 | goron | Who said what? |
| 23:03.42 | blondie | you said an but it's a |
| 23:03.44 | abrotman | screw all of you |
| 23:03.45 | blondie | </pedant> |
| 23:03.45 | goron | lol |
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| 23:03.46 | blondie | :P |
| 23:03.56 | lean | so, is there a nice way to do it from Sid to Sarge? |
| 23:04.03 | goron | lean: no |
| 23:04.07 | blondie | lean: you're not using sid or sarge |
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| 23:04.11 | lean | ok :) |
| 23:04.11 | abrotman | lean: come on .. i told you .. and oyu're not using debian |
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| 23:04.25 | abrotman | hrm .. maybe gentoo would have been better for a P150 |
| 23:04.26 | blondie | abrotman: go back to windows |
| 23:04.33 | goron | sql2diagram looks like a nice program though. :) |
| 23:04.39 | blondie | I mean lean :( |
| 23:04.39 | lean | abrotman: Ye, but there is so much going on, and you were not yellow - so maybe you didn't answer me |
| 23:04.41 | abrotman | blondie: imagine .. win2000 on a P150 |
| 23:04.52 | goron | Not that I believe it works :) |
| 23:04.54 | abrotman | lean: right "downgrade not possible" was directed at dpkg |
| 23:05.03 | abrotman | dpkg: irritate lean |
| 23:05.03 | dpkg | lean: wenas how does I run teh quake3 !!!! |
| 23:05.05 | sean | i changed my motherboard and cpu debian doesn't boot |
| 23:05.16 | lean | but thx anyway all of you |
| 23:05.43 | goron | sean: imagine it would. |
| 23:05.44 | streuner | sean: does the kernel even boot? |
| 23:06.10 | sean | not really the machine resets |
| 23:06.25 | streuner | sean: so what kernel do you have installed? |
| 23:06.28 | sean | while booting |
| 23:06.39 | streuner | sean: just use a live CD and chroot it |
| 23:07.03 | streuner | sean: and install an official debian kernel, which match for your CPU |
| 23:07.07 | sean | it was a dual cpu athlon 2000 now pentium 4 |
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| 23:07.18 | goron | I am wondering: is there a live cd which works on x86 and ppc with the same cd? |
| 23:07.29 | sean | i could chroot in it |
| 23:07.30 | streuner | sean: i386 should work for the very first start |
| 23:07.51 | abrotman | sean: i'm sure that would do it .. you should have a rescue kernel in there somewhere |
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| 23:08.04 | abrotman | sean: let me rephrase .. you should *always* have a rescue kernel :) |
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| 23:08.29 | Thanatermesis | i have a user to when i type "sudo thing", it ask about the USER password... how i disable this thing ? |
| 23:08.51 | gratuit | I have a hard disk that has a corrupt partition table, but I'm pretty sure that the data on the hard disk is still intact(in an NTFS filesystem) anyone know of a good way to recover the disk? |
| 23:09.07 | kspath | INSERT |
| 23:09.13 | sean | can i reinstall a parallel kernel in the same partition ? |
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| 23:09.20 | abrotman | gratuit: use windows? |
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| 23:09.41 | abrotman | sean: you would use a rescue disc .. boot up .. chroot .. install other kernel |
| 23:09.41 | streuner | sean: sure |
| 23:09.48 | gratuit | abrotman: I personally do not, the disk belongs to a friend |
| 23:09.53 | Thanatermesis | i don't understand, he don't are on /etc/sudoers and no on /etc/group.... how is posible to continue asking me about the user pass ? |
| 23:09.59 | abrotman | gratuit: people make big money doing that :) |
| 23:10.00 | petemc | gratuit: there are plenty of tools to recover ntfs, ontrack for one - no linux tools afaik |
| 23:10.04 | zinx | gratuit: try testdisk |
| 23:10.06 | kspath | gratuit: INSERT |
| 23:10.26 | sean | what comand will install a kernel apt-get...... |
| 23:10.32 | streuner | sean: as long as your bootloader know where to find it |
| 23:11.14 | streuner | sean: in sarge use 'apt-cache kernel-image', if you using etch or sid 'apt-cache linux-image' |
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| 23:11.37 | abrotman | sean: you don't have any -386 kernel installed? |
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| 23:11.49 | kspath | gratuit: google INSERT |
| 23:11.49 | sean | i don't know |
| 23:12.18 | abrotman | grub would tell oyu |
| 23:12.25 | sean | i had a standard sarge installed |
| 23:12.45 | petemc | Thanatermesis: if you put in the password, it wont run the command anyway, and will log the attempt |
| 23:12.48 | abrotman | !oyu is because abrotman can't type "you" to save his life |
| 23:12.48 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 23:13.02 | sean | lilo gives me two choice but both resets |
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| 23:13.11 | abrotman | what are the two choices? |
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| 23:13.33 | dids- | on debian sarge, how do i update my kernel & headers to the latest ones packaged by debian? |
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| 23:13.43 | abrotman | dids-: what do you have now? |
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| 23:13.56 | dondelelcaro | dids-: just apt-get install linux-image-fooversionyouwanttoinstall |
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| 23:13.58 | abrotman | dids-: uname -a |
| 23:14.00 | dids- | 2.6.8 |
| 23:14.05 | dondelelcaro | (likewise for the headers) |
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| 23:14.08 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: there's no linux-image-* in sarge |
| 23:14.11 | dids- | cool |
| 23:14.11 | dids- | ty :) |
| 23:14.14 | abrotman | dids-: that is the newest sarge has available |
| 23:14.24 | dids- | i know it has knewer.. |
| 23:14.28 | dids- | newer* |
| 23:14.30 | abrotman | dids-: unless you use backports or unofficial sources |
| 23:14.36 | dondelelcaro | dids-: if you're running sarge, that is the newest. |
| 23:15.01 | dids- | [machine]: you awake? |
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| 23:15.31 | dids- | they got any newer releases in unstable? |
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| 23:16.09 | streuner | dids-: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:16.10 | Dewi | dids-: of course |
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| 23:16.20 | abrotman | dids-: if you really want a newer kernel ... check backports.org .. but be careful and read the instructions on installing them |
| 23:16.20 | Dewi | dids-: why do you want newer? |
| 23:16.24 | streuner | Dewi: *psst* |
| 23:16.25 | abrotman | dids-: and don't cry if they don't work :) |
| 23:16.37 | dids- | support for a kernel module :) |
| 23:16.50 | dids- | need 2.6.16+ |
| 23:16.59 | abrotman | but 2.6.16 isn't released yet is it? |
| 23:17.04 | abrotman | !kernel |
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| 23:17.06 | abrotman | !kernels |
| 23:17.06 | dids- | 2.6.13 :) |
| 23:17.07 | dpkg | kernels is probably see kernel |
| 23:17.07 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.15.4, prepatch: 2.6.16-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.16-rc4-git2, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.16-rc4-mm1 |
| 23:17.12 | abrotman | i thought not |
| 23:17.27 | dids- | sorry it's a bit past my bedtime |
| 23:17.30 | dids- | 3 nights running |
| 23:17.41 | Thanatermesis | petemc no... i don't want SUDO powers for this users.. and i don't understand why i can't disable it :/ |
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| 23:17.51 | abrotman | there is a 2.6.15 in the backports .. but i don't know anyone who has used it |
| 23:18.24 | Dewi | dids-: backports seems to have linux-image-2.6.15-1-486 |
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| 23:18.46 | abrotman | Dewi: stop stealing my words! |
| 23:18.47 | Dewi | oh, I'm always one step behind abrotman |
| 23:19.11 | dids- | well thank you guys :) |
| 23:19.15 | petemc | Thanatermesis: it is disabled, it wont work |
| 23:19.36 | Vinland | I have a bunch of directories in /var/html and I want to back them up. I am having a hard time remembering the exact syntax to do it 'tar -xvf /var/www/html html.backup.tar' ???? |
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| 23:20.02 | roaet | is XF86Config-4 equivalent to xorg.conf ? |
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| 23:20.26 | asrail | eXtract... |
| 23:20.30 | roaet | oh wait. |
| 23:20.32 | Vinland | err |
| 23:20.39 | Vinland | I have a bunch of directories in /var/html and I want to back them up. I am having a hard time remembering the exact syntax to do it 'tar -cvf /var/www/html html.backup.tar' ???? |
| 23:20.39 | roaet | I don't have xfree86 installed |
| 23:20.41 | roaet | wtf wtf |
| 23:20.42 | abrotman | Vinland: man tar ? |
| 23:20.43 | asrail | Vinland: Use -cvf |
| 23:20.45 | sean | thanks i will try and let you guys know how the rescue went could take a while |
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| 23:21.13 | Dewi | Vinland: c = create, x = extract |
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| 23:21.41 | Vinland | yeah but other than that my syntax is okay? I just wanted to double check, I accidently messed things up once before doing this. |
| 23:22.17 | roaet | is there a way I can list what packages i've installed? |
| 23:22.35 | Silent_al | roaet, dpkg -l |
| 23:23.05 | roaet | in thI'm confused. |
| 23:23.19 | roaet | i'm confused because I'm installing nvidia from: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 23:23.21 | Dewi | Vinland: the name of the archive has to be immediately after the 'f' (file) option |
| 23:23.25 | roaet | and it speaks of xfree86 |
| 23:23.28 | roaet | but I have xorg |
| 23:23.29 | asg | roaet: dpkg -l | grep ^[hi]i |
| 23:23.53 | Silent_al | !nvidia |
| 23:23.53 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 23:24.12 | Thanatermesis | petemc i don't have any thing on /etc/sudoers or /etc/group... i don't know how to disable it |
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| 23:25.13 | Thanatermesis | mmmh... i don't look this message more now... strange |
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| 23:25.33 | roaet | ok that's nice. |
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| 23:25.41 | roaet | but the point is I don't have xfree86 installed |
| 23:25.45 | roaet | ... |
| 23:25.46 | roaet | nevermind |
| 23:25.48 | roaet | hit me hard |
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| 23:26.05 | roaet | thank you |
| 23:26.15 | Silent_al | heh . np :P |
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| 23:27.22 | roaet | AH HA! |
| 23:27.24 | Silent_al | roaet, are you using sarge? |
| 23:27.27 | roaet | finally. an issue. |
| 23:27.29 | roaet | no etch |
| 23:27.36 | Silent_al | kernel? |
| 23:27.47 | Azar | maybe no debian either.. |
| 23:27.55 | roaet | says xserver-xorg is broken or not fully installed when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:28.00 | roaet | kernel 2.6.15 |
| 23:28.16 | Azar | that's an uberdebian |
| 23:28.26 | roaet | uberdebian? |
| 23:28.37 | Azar | yep |
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| 23:28.48 | Azar | uber= more than you can handle |
| 23:28.56 | EruditeHermit | hey, is it possible to run commands as a different user in a script? |
| 23:29.09 | EruditeHermit | can root just run commands as a user |
| 23:29.15 | bbrazil | EruditeHermit: man su |
| 23:29.19 | petemc | EruditeHermit: su -c |
| 23:29.47 | petemc | with the user in there too.. |
| 23:29.48 | EruditeHermit | no |
| 23:29.57 | EruditeHermit | I want root to run stuff as a normal user |
| 23:30.01 | EruditeHermit | oh |
| 23:30.12 | starfishy | su -c username command |
| 23:30.15 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 23:30.16 | Azar | in root you can't run X |
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| 23:30.27 | Azar | i mean you could but you should not |
| 23:30.29 | stew | Azar: huh? |
| 23:30.32 | asg | Azar: yes you can, it just isn't advised |
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| 23:30.45 | Azar | sorry, bad wording from my part |
| 23:30.56 | starfishy | that would be just like running windoze :) |
| 23:31.10 | Silent_al | !tell EruditeHermit about root |
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| 23:31.53 | Azar | wow mhall... |
| 23:31.59 | Azar | what politics? |
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| 23:32.22 | EruditeHermit | Silent_al: no worries, I just needed root to run something as a user for an initscript |
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| 23:32.33 | asg | Azar: long story. /msg dpkg fable |
| 23:32.43 | Azar | thanks asg |
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| 23:33.39 | Silent_al | roaet, anyway, i had a similar prob(or the same one) with X after updating my kernel from 2.6.12 to 2.6.15 .something was wrong with the nvidia driver, it didnt match the kernel. |
| 23:33.42 | EruditeHermit | starfishy: are you sure that syntax works? |
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| 23:34.25 | monsieur_champs | Hi Debian channel. Trouble here installing debian on a HP Proliant DL145 G2 Server... any good tips and pointers? I can't recognize my SCSI disks (but they show up on hardware setup and all goes fine until I try to partition then in debian installer) |
| 23:35.06 | roaet | hrm |
| 23:35.13 | roaet | i think i need to reboot |
| 23:35.14 | monsieur_champs | Google seems as clueless as I am... :-( |
| 23:35.15 | roaet | heh |
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| 23:35.57 | martin | hola a todos, alguien me puede ayudar sobre como actualizar el amsn a la nueva version |
| 23:36.15 | roaet | what is AppleTalk? |
| 23:36.22 | roaet | and why is it slowing down my boot up? |
| 23:36.23 | kspath | !tell martin about es |
| 23:36.24 | Silent_al | monsieur_champs, are you trying to install the stable version? |
| 23:36.34 | monsieur_champs | martin: try aptitude install amsn |
| 23:36.50 | martin | ya lo hice y me manda error |
| 23:36.51 | asg | roaet: oooold mac networking protocol. Disable it. |
| 23:37.02 | Silent_al | roaet, its an Apple feature .. |
| 23:37.02 | asg | !tell martin about es |
| 23:37.13 | martin | descargue la ultima version y la trate de instalar con aptitude sin embargo me manda un error y no lo hace |
| 23:37.13 | Silent_al | Apple's* |
| 23:37.24 | Azar | thanks I liked it |
| 23:37.31 | starfishy | eruditehermit: sorry, its su username -c command |
| 23:37.32 | wireddd | apple talk takes forever to load |
| 23:37.40 | EruditeHermit | starfishy: yeah I got it thanks =) |
| 23:37.49 | starfishy | yw |
| 23:38.01 | martin | no hay nadie que hable español? |
| 23:38.05 | Azar | Debian tiene aptitude, tu no |
| 23:38.26 | Azar | !es |
| 23:38.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:38.27 | asg | martin: no, /j #debian-es |
| 23:38.29 | martin | que quieres decir? |
| 23:38.54 | martin | thanks |
| 23:38.54 | monsieur_champs | martin: Yo hablo (mucho poco) español, pero nó en este canal. |
| 23:39.04 | martin | ok thanks |
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| 23:40.35 | Mark` | yay <3 debian locked and loaded on this k6-2 |
| 23:40.42 | Mark` | it runs better than i could ever dream of |
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| 23:41.44 | roaet | hrmm! |
| 23:41.45 | nekostar | hmm |
| 23:41.48 | Mark` | hmmmmmmm! |
| 23:41.53 | roaet | it seems: http://www.roaet.com/files/Xorg.0.log , that my xorg is STILL loading nv |
| 23:41.57 | kspath | mmmmh |
| 23:42.00 | nekostar | anyone know what /dev/mga_vid is all about? apparently i dont have one >_< |
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| 23:43.06 | Mark` | you can force modules not to load in xfree86-4 |
| 23:43.06 | roaet | http://www.roaet.com/files/xorg.conf |
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| 23:43.06 | Mark` | nv is loading and nvidia isnt? |
| 23:43.07 | roaet | Aye according to the first link |
| 23:43.07 | Azar | what a bummer: I had to return a brand new TV Samsung set because my cable won't deliver for it |
| 23:43.07 | alarmyst | hi |
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| 23:43.07 | Mark` | first link is hard for me to read |
| 23:43.07 | Mark` | =[ |
| 23:43.07 | markybob | nekostar, pretty sure it's video output for matrox cards |
| 23:43.13 | nekostar | o: |
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| 23:43.51 | alarmyst | anyone using etch and JuK have a solution or an explanation of why the window size itself two times the screen size ? |
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| 23:44.04 | nekostar | matrox cards? lol i dont know what that is even... im getting the error from mplayer.. and i just noticed i dont have it in my /dev/ folder.. i run a nvidia fx 5200 |
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| 23:44.14 | roaet | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xorg is broken or not fully installed |
| 23:44.18 | roaet | hrm, how's that? |
| 23:44.32 | Mark` | weird |
| 23:44.39 | markybob | nekostar, video cards with tv output |
| 23:44.40 | Mark` | try reinstalling it? |
| 23:44.51 | roaet | doin that =D |
| 23:44.54 | nekostar | o: |
| 23:44.55 | alarmyst | Mark`: using etch? |
| 23:45.08 | nekostar | i can do tv out... but im not doing so lol.. |
| 23:45.28 | alarmyst | nvidia-glx is broken in etch |
| 23:45.40 | alarmyst | that what i heard from the maintainer yesterday |
| 23:45.42 | nekostar | heh |
| 23:45.43 | Mark` | is that why his is loading nv instead of nvidia regardless of the config? |
| 23:46.09 | nekostar | alarmyst, i got pointed into grabbing the unstable glx and keeping the rest etch :D worked good |
| 23:46.09 | alarmyst | Mark`: no, this shouldnt happen, propably you arent modifying the right config file |
| 23:46.13 | roaet | AH! |
| 23:46.18 | Mark` | its not me its roaet ;p |
| 23:46.22 | alarmyst | nekostar: yea thats what i did too |
| 23:46.22 | Mark` | ;p |
| 23:46.30 | roaet | when i apt-get install nvidia-glx it uninstalled xserver-xorg |
| 23:46.32 | roaet | wtf! |
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| 23:46.40 | alarmyst | roaet: yes |
| 23:46.44 | alarmyst | thats what im saying |
| 23:46.48 | roaet | oh |
| 23:46.52 | roaet | so.. what do I do? |
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| 23:47.03 | alarmyst | you have to add unstable to your source.list the time to get nvidia-glx |
| 23:47.09 | alarmyst | or wait until the problem is fixed |
| 23:47.10 | nekostar | o crap |
| 23:47.20 | nekostar | i just reailized i was running mplayer as root \o/ |
| 23:47.30 | alarmyst | nekostar: so what really ? :P |
| 23:47.30 | roaet | ah k. |
| 23:47.44 | wilotas | Hi all |
| 23:47.47 | roaet | where is source.list again? =( |
| 23:47.52 | nekostar | dam. didnt fix my problem :/ |
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| 23:47.58 | starfishy | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:48.00 | wilotas | Someone knows how can i install debian on SATA disk? |
| 23:48.01 | asg | roaet: /etc/apt |
| 23:48.37 | asg | wilotas: /msg dpkg sata (some of the links there will likely help you) |
| 23:48.55 | roaet | now when I edit it, should I just append unstable to my mirrors? or should I remove etch, main, contrib and non-free ? |
| 23:48.57 | alarmyst | about my question, no one is using JuK here ? |
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| 23:49.15 | alarmyst | roaet: add another line |
| 23:49.22 | asg | alarmyst: maybe people in #debian-kde are |
| 23:49.29 | alarmyst | asg: nice tip |
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| 23:49.38 | not_benh | hello all |
| 23:49.43 | alarmyst | wow this channel really exist |
| 23:49.56 | not_benh | any one know if there is an SSH specific chan? |
| 23:50.01 | not_benh | alarmyst: yup |
| 23:50.10 | Gadi | how bout debootstrap? |
| 23:50.14 | asg | alarmyst: traditionally, many people in #debian proper don't run kde or don't support it here since there is the separate channel. You are welcome to ask here but might get better info from #debian-kde. |
| 23:50.21 | dondelelcaro | Gadi: what about it? |
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| 23:50.31 | Gadi | is there a channel for it? |
| 23:50.44 | monsieur_champs | alarmyst: I'm using JuK, what's up? |
| 23:50.46 | dondelelcaro | Gadi: just ask your question; people here can answer it... |
| 23:50.54 | alarmyst | asg: since i know there is a kde debian channel, i think there will be no more misquestions |
| 23:51.00 | roaet | ok |
| 23:51.05 | asg | alarmyst: not a misquestion, just a hint :) |
| 23:51.19 | Gadi | I get: Failure trying to run: $ROOT dpkg --force-depends --install |
| 23:51.19 | alarmyst | monsieur_champs: does your JuK window is abnormally oversized ? |
| 23:51.19 | roaet | I changed my sources.list but now when I apt-get install nvidia-glx it still removes xserver-xorg |
| 23:51.21 | Gadi | where $ROOT is my root dir |
| 23:51.35 | Gadi | s/root dir/build dir/ |
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| 23:51.41 | Azar | even though I found some comments on that article unfair for #debian: at least people are helping here, while other channels might be "polite" but mute |
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| 23:51.49 | azeem | Gadi: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 23:51.52 | Gadi | it was working earlier today |
| 23:51.58 | azeem | Gadi: and which version do you try to bootstrap? |
| 23:52.01 | monsieur_champs | alarmyst: only when I grab it abnormaly ;-) |
| 23:52.11 | asg | Azar: yes, some of us still are. |
| 23:52.15 | dondelelcaro | Gadi: additionally, you may have better luck running cdebootstrap instead. |
| 23:52.16 | Azar | I hope this channel will not become as mute as others due to politically correctenss |
| 23:52.17 | Gadi | this is actually ubuntu breezy, but I figured it might be worth asking here |
| 23:52.31 | Gadi | i know |
| 23:52.43 | markybob | i'm surprised every single time someone admits to that. |
| 23:52.44 | DivineEntity | success , I got linux running on my ipod name |
| 23:52.51 | DivineEntity | http://home.cogeco.ca/~entity/000_0276.JPG |
| 23:52.56 | Ronin | markybob: if they dont they usually get caught anyhow :) |
| 23:52.56 | DivineEntity | with doom too ! :) |
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| 23:53.01 | markybob | it's basically the same as saying "dont help me" |
| 23:53.05 | thingfish | just an observation: I'd say 90% of the people who show up in here having problems are running etch or sid. If those same people would use sarge, we'd probably have only 200-300 people in the channel. |
| 23:53.30 | roaet | last time I downloaded sarge it didn't detect anything |
| 23:53.33 | azeem | Gadi: I saw a similar error by somebody trying to bootstrap Ubuntu earlier today |
| 23:53.40 | asg | thingfish: we'd still have people asking about knoppix et. al. and how to unfutz their php4 installations |
| 23:53.41 | roaet | maybe I had an old version |
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| 23:53.52 | azeem | Gadi: which distribution are you trying to bootstrap? |
| 23:53.54 | roaet | can I have a link to the newest 'sarge' netinst ? |
| 23:54.01 | Gadi | azeem: ah, thx - so maybe its on their repo side? |
| 23:54.07 | thingfish | asg: gawd isn't that the truth. |
| 23:54.08 | asg | roaet: /msg dpkg netinst |
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| 23:54.30 | Azar | roaet there are few valid reasons people will go for etch or sid, that be "newer hardware - sata and other kinds that are not having support on the highest sarge kernels |
| 23:54.33 | Gadi | azeem: same - breezy |
| 23:54.34 | asg | thingfish: or it would degenerate into abrotman and myself getting sloppy and rude |
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| 23:54.50 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:54.50 | ootput | is there a tool that displays the current refresh rate of the monitor? |
| 23:55.00 | dondelelcaro | ootput: xdpyinfo should give it to you. |
| 23:55.13 | roaet | in all honesty, I have never used debian before. I asked my debian friend to give me a link to the iso, he gave me etch. |
| 23:55.22 | ootput | dondelelcaro: cheers |
| 23:55.24 | azeem | Gadi: try changing the mirror to something else |
| 23:55.31 | roaet | I'm a gentoo user, but gentoo was driving me nuts with my video card. |
| 23:55.35 | roaet | So i'm trying debian. |
| 23:55.36 | thingfish | !d-i roaet |
| 23:55.38 | dpkg | roaet, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:55.43 | ribnitz_ | roaet: Not something I would start out with.. |
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| 23:55.47 | roaet | which? |
| 23:55.48 | Azar | roaet, myself a newbie I prefered to install warge (start with woody-end with sarge) and went perfect |
| 23:55.49 | roaet | debian? |
| 23:55.50 | ootput | dondelelcaro: perhaps you know if there's a tool that shows the compatible modelines for a monitor too? |
| 23:55.56 | dondelelcaro | ootput: actually, it doesn't seem to... you can definetly find in in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 23:56.00 | Gadi | azeem: i'll try debootstrapping sid and see if I get same error |
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| 23:56.19 | markybob | ootput, yeah, google. |
| 23:56.21 | roaet | ribnitz_: I do have a perfectly working gentoo box, but this is my laptop, and it's acting funny. |
| 23:56.28 | azeem | Gadi: I doubt that, somebody said archive.ubuntu.com was giving trouble, so I suggest a different mirrro |
| 23:56.41 | ootput | ah, it's the same guy |
| 23:56.45 | asg | ootput: read-edid can help with your monitor |
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| 23:57.11 | ribnitz | roaet: So are familiar with debian package management, and gently forcing things? |
| 23:57.21 | Azar | gentoo is perverting one into thinking that can grab, install and configure in any way shape or mode, which is opposed to debian way of works |
| 23:57.28 | roaet | ribnitz: i actually have no idea how apt works. |
| 23:57.39 | azeem | roaet: read the manual |
| 23:57.41 | roaet | ribnitz: I'm more familliar with emerge of course. |
| 23:57.42 | ribnitz | roaet: Then you want to go with sarge. |
| 23:57.47 | ootput | asg: yeah, there was apparently a knoppix detection script in python that filled in all the modelines. it doesn't appear to work with the latest xorg and/or debian file hierarchy |
| 23:57.49 | Azar | roaet you want to work with debian without mastering apt? hmm |
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| 23:58.05 | roaet | Again, I did not pick the release of debian. |
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| 23:58.09 | roaet | I'm downloading sarge right now. |
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| 23:58.31 | roaet | I'm just trying to defend my stupidity in trying etch for so long, as I did not know there was a difference. |
| 23:58.39 | roaet | But I will say debian installs quite nicely. |
| 23:58.40 | dondelelcaro | Azar: relax; mastery is not gained by mere book learning. |
| 23:58.40 | ribnitz | roaet: good. Just as an example, mozilla-thunderbird is broken, in the sarge version right now. |
| 23:58.42 | thingfish | I love sarge, roaet. I can't stand bugs. |
| 23:59.03 | Azar | roaet you might want to take a very short intro here (dismiss the non-us stanza is obsolete) http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 23:59.06 | ootput | asg: cheers |
| 23:59.11 | asg | dondelelcaro: though that does help ;) |
| 23:59.26 | dondelelcaro | asg: well, you can't gain mastery without reading either... |
| 23:59.37 | roaet | Isn't apt-get similar to gentoo's portage tree? |
| 23:59.41 | asg | dondelelcaro: quite so |
| 23:59.44 | dondelelcaro | roaet: no... it's quite a bit different. |
| 23:59.57 | roaet | Only difference I've noticed is that portage is source, whereas apt is precompiled. |
