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00:00.03AciDroaet > it's just better :)
00:00.04Azarroaet, aptitude has quite few nice tricks not only for download/install but for more... read on
00:00.09Gadiazeem: you were right - I pointed to the netherlands and all is better
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00:00.10AciDroaet > there is apt-src too
00:00.19roaetapt-src hmm?
00:00.23Azarapt-cache too
00:00.29ribnitzOk. I have aske this twice before, and not gotten a satisfactory answer. Would you guis recommend EVMS for a standard situation, that a soon to be repaired disk is half of a RAID mirror.
00:00.29roaetYes I"m liking apt-cache
00:00.34azeemapt-src is unmaintained I think
00:00.50roaetI am rtfm'ing as I download sarge.
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00:01.17thingfishnow watch; he'll have all new hardware and sarge won't work for him.
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00:01.22AciDI can't wait for xgl to be packaged for debian
00:01.24AciD:x
00:01.30thingfishyou'll have to.
00:01.52dondelelcaroroaet: it's a bit more substantial than that; the dependency resolution is quite a bit more involved, as is the conflict resolution, the configurability, and the way in which packages fit together.
00:01.54ribnitzI am using LVM at work, and ofund its dynamic resizing useful. altohugh that doesnt seem to apply to volumes that strech more than one physical disk.
00:02.01thingfishpatience is a virtue. :)
00:02.13roaetI'm assuming, thingfish, that that will be my problem.
00:02.17asgthingfish: procrastination is better :p
00:02.18dondelelcaroroaet: but apt-get is only a small portion of what Debian is; (although, it is a rather visible part...)
00:02.21Silent_al!xgl
00:02.21dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/ ,or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto" .
00:02.32ootputasg: it doesn't appear to be in my $PATH. where is it located on your system?
00:02.50roaetin addition, the image I got off linux-iso.org or whatnot, what image is that?
00:02.51urzPrinting problem:  file.ps printed from linux cups client shows blocky low-res fonts.  When file.ps is converted to a pdf and then carried over to windows and printed there, it prints with nice fonts.  What might be the problem?
00:03.18ribnitzurz: fonts. plus cups printer config.
00:03.18qhuo!xgl-howto
00:03.18dpkgxgl-howto is probably getting xgl and compiz working on Ubuntu Dapper.they're still highly experimental and not recommended for casual use,only available in the Ubuntu Dapper's universe repository.There is no guarantee that they will even work for you on your Debian or Ubuntu box,so use this howto on your own risk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto
00:03.18asgootput: you might have to 'apt-get install read-edid'
00:03.29ootputthis is a post-install issue
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00:04.00endeavormacwhen my machine starts up I get a message saying "duplicate or bad block in use"
00:04.01ribnitzurz: and to asome extent, printer driver.
00:04.04qhuo#join mandrake
00:04.05asgootput: the tools the package contains are 'get-edid' and 'parse-edid', see if they exist and if there are manpages.
00:04.07endeavormacwhat does this mean, and can it be fixed?
00:04.16ootputasg: ah, that figures
00:04.18urzribnitz: it is only noticable on small fonts
00:04.25ootputcouldn't man the package-name
00:04.30roaetok
00:04.34roaetinstalling sarge
00:04.35ribnitzurz: Is it a 300 dpi printer?
00:04.48urzribnitz: yeah or 600
00:05.04ribnitzurz: And it only happens at 300?
00:05.24urzribnitz: no, it happens no matter what i set cups to say the printer is (on the client machine)
00:05.37thingfishhey, does Debian need a chaplain?
00:05.49thingfishhehe
00:05.50urzit's a windows-shared printer that cups is useing
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00:05.59roaetreseirrrrffsss
00:06.06asgthingfish: nah, we have Larry Wall
00:06.06thingfishI will be happy to bless any number of packages.
00:06.12urzi'm not sure how the windows config and the cups config on the client interact
00:06.13thingfishoh, ok, rats.
00:06.20ribnitzurz: The printer is not some gdi-thing, but does at least ESC/P or PCL?
00:06.34urzits an HP deskjet 842C.
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00:06.48urznot sure if that answers the question
00:07.06urzi tell cups that its an hp deskjet
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00:07.21T-u-N-i-Xanyone here using initng ??
00:07.26T-u-N-i-Xi need help please
00:07.55azeemT-u-N-i-X: what is initng?
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00:08.09ribnitzurz: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_842C
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00:08.14T-u-N-i-Xit's a new system replacing sysv-init system
00:08.21roaetum
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00:08.24thingfishnothing, according to apt-cache.
00:08.27roaetmy installation finished
00:08.30roaetwithout asking me a damn thing
00:08.33roaethow is that posssible?
00:08.45azeemroaet: which installation?
00:08.49roaetsarge
00:08.50zinxT-u-N-i-X: if you need help using init-ng, THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE USING INIT-NG
00:08.56azeemroaet: eh, did you have etch intalled before?
00:08.59roaetyeah
00:09.01azeemhow did you install?
00:09.07roaetput the cd in.. and um..
00:09.10zinxT-u-N-i-X: it's only available in experimental *FOR A REASON*
00:09.10roaetlet it boot
00:09.31azeemyou put the sarge CD in?
00:09.33roaetyeah
00:09.34Azarroaet is the cd the 3.1 version?
00:09.41roaetoh wait!
00:09.43azeemand it didn't ask you one bit?
00:09.45roaetthere's more windows!
00:09.52azeemah :)
00:09.52roaetit bootstraps first it appears
00:10.12T-u-N-i-Xzinx: i know what i'm doing but i need some help... i don't have an essential problem
00:10.29azeemyes
00:10.30urzribnitz: thanks.  I don't know how to install a ppd file.  I always just used whatever came with the debian cupsys package
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00:10.42Azarroaet the 3.1 comes by default with a 2.4 kernel you can start it with linux26 if you want to
00:10.51zinxT-u-N-i-X: your inability to properly state your problem leads me to believe you do not, in fact, know what you are doing.
00:11.03roaetOh
00:11.04roaetdamnit
00:11.12roaetnow I gotta start allll over
00:11.22roaetwell.. do I really need 2.6. hmmm
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00:11.31Azarroaet you don't have nothing to lose: but gain experience
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00:11.37ribnitzroaet: SATA?
00:11.40roaetnope
00:11.56Azarroaet: 2.6 has more support for hardware drivers..
00:11.58roaetnewest thing on the laptop is Nvidia GeForce 4 2 GO
00:12.03roaetthat's about it
00:12.11ribnitzroaet: go with 2.6
00:12.13T-u-N-i-Xwell; the problem is that the cpufreqd deamon dies unexpectedly without reason.. and i can't find any documentation over the net... and if i don't use it, you don't use it bla bla who is going to use it ?
00:12.34zinxT-u-N-i-X: the cpufreqd daemon is somewhat unstable
00:12.52zinxT-u-N-i-X: and, it's in experimental because it has known problems
00:13.04zinxT-u-N-i-X: all of the stuff in experimental is *KNOWN* to be broken
00:13.13zinxT-u-N-i-X: people don't need to use it.
00:13.39Azarroaet: when you finish would be ok if you edit your /etc/apt/sources.list by adding after   / stable main   non-free contrib     so you can get smooth with your nvidia driver later
00:13.50asgzinx: powernowd has been stable for me for months
00:13.56thingfishgosh darnit, I wanted to go into #ubuntu and troll but I just can't do it; I'm too nice.
00:14.07T-u-N-i-Xzinx: debian opens in almost 1:20 sometimes... best time on my system is 55 secs... with initng and with just a dew basic errors it opens in 25 seconds... that does make sense for almost everybody
00:14.10roaetthank you Azar
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00:14.37duplexxgl on debian.  yummy
00:14.40e2eHi, i use gnome on Debian. I have a problem with gnome-volume-manager (or nautilus may be). When a cd or mountable device inserted it mounts but doesn't appear on desktop. When i restart dbus it appears but on eject or umount it stays here. What could be the problem?
00:14.42zinxT-u-N-i-X: known-broken packages don't make sense for anyone but ricers
00:14.44thingfishget rid of that nasty appletalk crap and it'll boot way faster.
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00:15.34zinxT-u-N-i-X: your system may boot in 25 seconds, but mine never needs to boot in the first place, since it never goes down.
00:15.40cjaymesheh
00:15.44thingfishI mean, if they won't give me a free computer, I'm not going to run their tacky little daemons.
00:15.59cjaymesnickserv can't make up its mind; told me incorrect pw then correct, 1 sec later
00:16.06thingfishzinx: some of us only have one computer, though, so we have to dual boot.
00:16.17Azarwith debian sarge a newbie should know that a bit too much can choke him. There are designated packages in the stable repositories to be used, anything outside it, is at own risk
00:16.36zinxthingfish: i only have one computer; i've never found a pressing need to dual-boot due to that ;)
00:16.37starfishythingfish: why not try vmware?
00:16.42starfishyor xen?
00:16.44asgthingfish: and that 1:20 is the perfect opportunity to take care of bathroom issues, get beer, etc.
00:16.48T-u-N-i-Xzinx: that's your problem... i didn't come to argue here incase that i need some real talk about how to get things done... so if you don't help please don't answer me..
00:16.51zinxthingfish: of course, i'm not a typical user, either.
00:17.12zinxT-u-N-i-X: you seem to have missed the spot where i told you the problem is cpufreqd
00:17.15thingfishzinx: well, some of us are addicted to certain games that only run in (cough) windows.
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00:17.22cjaymesI seem to be having trouble with my keyboard not responding after my machine has been sitting for a while
00:17.24starfishyoh
00:17.29cjaymesany ideas?
00:17.33starfishygames addiction not fueled by vmware :P
00:17.43thingfishasg: I don't quite get your point (my brain is a mess atm), but I like it anyway. :)
00:17.44cjaymesI found some strangeness in messages
00:17.53T-u-N-i-Xzinx: cpufreqd daemon works perfectly with sysv-rc... so i don't think that it has a problem
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00:18.08zinxT-u-N-i-X: then figure out why it's dying.
00:18.11thingfishzinx: you mean you're thin and wear stylish clothes?
00:18.14curt_if I want to buy a notebook, obviously IBM, Dell, Gateway are out as they only offer them with M$. Anyone have any other suggestions?
00:18.17asgthingfish: the reboot period, a minute or so provides opportunities ;)
00:18.29zinxthingfish: i'm thin, but i don't know about the stylish clothes.
00:18.31ribnitzcurt_: Mac
00:18.40T-u-N-i-Xi'm actually trying to understand the reason and also have rewrite the script cpufreqd.i but can't find it
00:18.42curt_ribnitz,  arggh
00:18.47thingfishasg: oh yes, I get it - how admirably utilitarian.  I shall adopt your philosophy straight away.
00:18.58cjaymescurt_, there are linux manufacturers, preinstall linux for you
00:19.01ribnitzcurt_: no better ease of use found so far.
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00:19.13cjaymescurt_, dunno names any more
00:19.22starfishycurt: buy a notebook with M$ and return the M$ for a refund
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00:19.41curt_i will go look some more.  My wife wants one and I refuse to use M$
00:19.44starfishycjames: most linux notebook sellers are way overpriced
00:19.52thingfishplease don't mention MS.  My stress level was just beginning to taper off.
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00:19.57zinxT-u-N-i-X: it's not a script, it's a program
00:20.00Daedalus_curt_: why can't you just install linux overtop the M$? Or keep a dual-boot?
00:20.01cjaymesdoes "kernel: c01377b8" in my messages file mean a kernel panic?
00:20.14T-u-N-i-Xcpufreqd.i is not a program
00:20.14starfishycjames: no
00:20.18cjaymesit dumps a lot of info after that
00:20.23starfishya kernel panic would come up as
00:20.27starfishy'kernel panic'
00:20.33starfishydoes the system stop?
00:20.36cjaymesstarfishy, that's what I though
00:20.46starfishyif not its not a panic anyway
00:20.47cjaymesstarfishy, no, but I lose keyboard
00:20.54zinxT-u-N-i-X: cpufreqd comes with no such file, but it does have a /etc/init.d/cpufreqd
00:21.07starfishywhat are you using, usb or ps/2?
00:21.08curt_I think ibuypower makes some notebooks without OS's
00:21.24cjaymesstarfishy, I was using ps2
00:21.36cjaymesstarfishy, kind of scary to lose kb on linux :)
00:21.45cjaymesstarfishy, so now I'm using both :)
00:21.58starfishywith usb you can just pull and replug
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00:22.12T-u-N-i-Xzinx: i know that.. initng comes with /etc/initng/ directory which has lots of init scripts in it... and it has ./daemon/cpufreqd.i file in it which is responsible for starting the cpufreqd daemon...
00:22.12Daedalus_curt_: at some points, it's worht considering "throwing away" a 100$ OS package in order to get 100$ worth of stability/reliability in your hardware... Just a thought
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00:22.23T-u-N-i-Xand it correctly starts cpufreqd
00:22.27T-u-N-i-Xbut after a while
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00:22.28cjaymesstarfishy, I did that when I had my problem; I have a ps2 -> usb dongle
00:22.32T-u-N-i-Xit closes the daemon
00:22.40T-u-N-i-Xbut if i look through ps aux |grep cpufreqd
00:22.48T-u-N-i-Xthe daemon seems to be alive
00:22.49cjaymesstarfishy, but no love there either
00:23.01zinxT-u-N-i-X: why do you think it's been "closed", then?
00:23.03cjaymesX or console
00:23.17T-u-N-i-Xzinx: because the log file says so
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00:23.37curt_Daedalus_, ibuypower no longer lets you choose either :(
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00:25.51cjaymesI thought I remembered seeing a spurious interrupt when I was first loading everything; nothing in logs or dmesg now
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00:26.05cjaymesI HATE when problems fix themselves
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00:26.33starfishyi hear ya
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00:26.41curt_I don't think it is right either that I have to buy M$ at all if I want a notebook
00:27.07curt_I won't do it. I doubt they would take a return on it either...
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00:27.14starfishycurt: technically you dont have to, you can return the windows license and demand a refund
00:27.18cjaymessue them
00:27.21starfishyit even says so in the EULA
00:27.43cjaymeshowever, its not feasible to say you haven't "opened" the product
00:27.51curt_Maybe i'll call Dell or ibuypower tomorrow and ask
00:27.53cjaymesthat's usually how they get around that
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00:28.02asgcurt_: they made deals with manufacturers that prevent the manufacturers from selling hardware without an OS (specifically Microsoft's) in exchange for huge cost reductions.
00:28.16cjaymesif you're going to go that way, I would at least look at the sites that have done it successfully
00:28.22curt_asg, I know, but I still ain't buying it
00:28.23deadcati have an icon theme with loads of .svg files but when i use the theme and open an app, i get lots of Gtk-WARNING **: Error loading icon: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/home/deadcat/.icons/dlg-neu/scalable/stock/gtk-jump-to-ltr.svg'
00:28.28cjaymesyou have to do things in a certain legal order
00:28.48yonkeltronwhat do size mismatches on downloaded packages mean?
00:28.56asgcurt_: then call HP. They might be able to sell you one or look for one that can ship with DOS as the operating system.
00:29.04cjaymeshow are multiple keyboards handled by linux?
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00:29.27starfishycjames: i have two keyboards hooked up to my main system, works just fine
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00:29.36endeavormacwhat does pi in the left-hand column mean when running dpkg -l ?
00:29.42Tarantulafudgehow do you get the mac address of an ip?
00:29.53Tarantulafudgeand can it be used to ban people with ipchains?
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00:30.11asgendeavormac: it's tagged to be purged but currently installed.
00:30.15Daedalus_Tarantulafudge: You can only get the mac addr if it's on your local net.
00:30.21cjaymesstarfishy, well, I don't question that it works, I just am a bit confused by it
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00:30.31Azarcurt_ did you googled for some? http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html
00:30.34TarantulafudgeDaedalus_: darn, well that puts shit in my thinkhole
00:30.38cjaymesstarfishy, I would think they would use the input mechanism, like for mice
00:30.53cjaymesstarfishy, but there aren't any keyboards in /dev/input (afaik)
00:31.06TarantulafudgeDaedalus_: know any other ways to uniqely identify hosts with dynamic ips?
00:31.24cjaymesTarantulafudge, ask nicely?
00:31.34Tarantulafudgeplease?
00:31.43cjaymesnot us...the host
00:31.44BrianUTwow asking to solve X when you really want the answer to Y is going to be very slow going for you.
00:31.57asgTarantulafudge: unless they notify you when their ips change, no, you can only guess.
00:31.58Tarantulafudgecjaymes: oh lol, i thought you were being mean
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00:32.35cjaymesTarantulafudge, you could go with deny by default & only allow who you want
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00:32.45Tarantulafudgecjaymes: its a gameserver
00:32.47cjaymesor do a dynamic blocking
00:32.48Daedalus_Tarantulafudge: Not that I know of. At least, not any guaranteeable way. Browser cookies are the only thing I can think of that comes close
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00:33.30cjaymesdynamic blocking it is; you'll have to have a script/program figure out if someone is breaking rules & ban them for x seconds
00:33.36BrianUTTarantulafudge, ban by username maybe? what game(s) I know steam can ban by steamID's which worked really well for me.
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00:33.47cjaymesor redirect them to an error page (better)
00:33.58TarantulafudgeBrianUT: its a quake engine without a cdkey
00:34.22Gadsden_I'm about to download a netist image but I'm not sure which one. It lists architectures but there isn't an x86. I've wikipedia'd all of them and none seem right? http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
00:34.55cjaymesGadsden, i386 = x86
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00:36.03cjaymeshmmm, maybe I should have said i386 =~ x86?
00:36.15Gadsdencjaymes: thanks. I got the impression from wikipedia that i386 was up until pentium 3
00:36.40cjaymesGadsden, it is, but i386 is upward compatible with all x86 chips
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00:36.59GadsdenThank you. V much appreciated
00:37.04cjaymesGadsden, np
00:37.11thingfishheh there's our "good shabbos" guy.
00:37.20yonkeltronthingfish: indeed
00:37.22endeavormacasg: how can i cancel that "tagged to be purged" ?
00:37.30thingfishyonkeltron: ;)
00:37.38yonkeltronthingfish: you wouldn't happen to know how to correct size mismatches within packages would you?
00:37.50thingfishyonkeltron: sorry, no, I don't.
00:38.03Tarantulafudgehmm... how should I ammend my situation?
00:38.13cjaymes*sigh*
00:38.15TarantulafudgeI do hate to subnet ban, heh
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00:38.35cjaymesanyway to figure out what model my abit board is without opening up the case?
00:38.35yonkeltronthingfish: sigh. i can't get these hebrew font packages that i thought i had
00:38.39cjaymes<-- lazy :)
00:38.55BrianUTTarantulafudge, just keep banning by ip, I found that usually for most of them a few hours was all that was needed anyways.
00:39.09BrianUTactually most of the time I did 5 minute bans and hardly had any problems
00:39.14thingfishyonkeltron: yuck...fonts, especially non-western language ones, can be a problem it seems.
00:39.22TarantulafudgeBrianUT: i can't do timed bans
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00:39.32yonkeltronthingfish: i have noticed...
00:39.35thingfishyonkeltron: hehe
00:39.39BrianUTroflz
00:39.53TarantulafudgeBrianUT: does ipchains support timed blocks?
00:39.55thingfishyonkeltron: are you terribly occupied right now?  I'm dying to PM you.
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00:40.15cjaymesyonkeltron, which font packages are you using?
00:40.22yonkeltronthingfish: go ahead then
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00:40.31Virus_hatehi
00:40.41cjaymesI thought I had something that showed hebrew at one point
00:40.42Virus_hatekann mir mal wer nen gefallen tun??
00:41.07cjaymesnein?
00:41.17Virus_hatehm is here any one how can help me
00:41.22yonkeltroncjaymes: i am actually having openoffice troubles.
00:41.39azeemVirus_hate: #debian.de
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00:41.44Virus_hateplease tell me if this adress is reach able 84.150.205.184
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00:42.05cjaymespings back
00:42.20Tarantulafudgeno way to do a timed ban?
00:42.27asgendeavormac: dunno, I've never used aptitude, synaptic or the other meta-frontends.
00:42.33BrianUTTarantulafudge, you are running this on a linux server yes? when it bans an Ip does it save it to a text file?
00:42.34Virus_hatethx
00:42.53yonkeltroncjaymes: i do seem to remember installing these two packages that helped
00:42.58TarantulafudgeBrianUT: no idea, i haven't used this machine's ipchains before
00:42.59starfishyshopt: vi: invalid shell option name? o_O
00:43.25cjaymesyonkeltron, so you have doc that has hebrew chars that don't display?
00:43.30BrianUTTarantulafudge, you need to find answers to those 2 questions somehow before continuing then.
00:43.31cjaymesa doc
00:43.55yonkeltroncjaymes: more like when i type, hebrew doesn't show up but the cursor moves
00:44.06yonkeltroncjaymes: i have all the language packs and everything installed
00:44.14cjaymeshmm, how does one type a hebrew char?
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00:44.41Aim_HereYou ask a passing israeli to type it then cut and paste
00:44.58asg*rimshot*
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00:45.34BrianUTI hate those drive-by cut and pasters
00:45.47yonkeltroncjaymes: switching the keyboard layout maybe
00:45.54cjaymesick
00:46.00yonkeltroncjaymes: kde can do it really easily actually
00:46.13cjaymesthat doesn't mean I'd know how to type
00:46.15BrianUThebrew is read right to left though, isn't it?
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00:46.47cjaymesooo, sword has hebrew texts, doesn't it?
00:46.49spldartI've been having a hellava time trying to successfully get a tv card going in debian for a long time... I just haven't done it before and I'm sure I'm missing something simple...
00:47.09spldartDebian sarge... with a mix of stable and etch stuff
00:47.27Seven_Six_Twodoes anyone know if I'll have any significant issues installing debian sarge on an HP kayak xu800? I'd browse the web, but knoppix makes it very slow...
00:47.34spldartlinux image-686 kernel and 6.9 xorg
00:47.45NakkoIn straight tty (or ssh) my keyboard works perfectly. However, in X, when I press Shift+`, I do not get an ascii tilde. Any ideas on why my keyboard wouldn't work right?
00:47.52Seven_Six_Twospldart, which card?
00:48.02spldartI've tried cards from 9800 pro aiw all the way down to aiw pro pci
00:48.04yonkeltroncjaymes: sword?
00:48.05nonix4_Anyone wanna confirm a strace bug for me?
00:48.07Nakkoxmodmap lists the key combo correctly, or at least I think so.
00:48.07cjaymesNakko, you probably aren't using the right keymap
00:48.16spldartalways stuff says no video0 device
00:48.19cjaymesyonkeltron, bible software
00:48.30Seven_Six_Twospldart, are you using the gatos stuff?
00:48.46spldartI've tried the gatos stuff
00:48.49yonkeltroncjaymes: cool
00:48.55spldartnot using it now
00:49.04endeavormacis there something wrong with gcc-3.3 from apt-get?
00:49.06Nakkocjaymes: How can I tell? Which one is correct?
00:49.18cjaymesyonkeltron, however, I don't think I have any hebrew stuff installed, as I can't read it anyway
00:49.20pipelineendeavormac: There shouldn't be.  Why don't you check the bug reports?
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00:49.40Seven_Six_Twospldart, sorry I can't help...my net-inst image just finished, and I'm going to try it now...
00:49.56Nakko`xmodmap -pke` returns (among other things): keycode  49 = grave asciitilde
00:50.00yonkeltroncjaymes: hmmm
00:50.03cjaymesNakko, how many keys do you have; do you have an apple/mac keyboard? is it an english/us keyboard?
00:50.11spldarthadn't thought of gatos on this install I just finished... since it's using an old card
00:50.16nonix4_sh -c 'echo $$; sh -c "echo $""$; sleep 60"' &   strace -ff -o foo.bar -p 123 -p 124   # w/ PIDs as reported  - anyone confirm a double-free bug here?
00:50.28spldartbrb.. getting gatos again
00:50.28asgnonix4_: #bash might be able to
00:50.34cjaymesNakko, I think that puts a ` above the next char you type
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00:50.40Seven_Six_Twospldart, i thought you had to for aiw...but i've never had one, just read in passing
00:50.41yupiHi
00:50.44endeavormacpipeline: ok, i will. didn't really think of it. you could say i'm a bit "new" to the world of linux :/
00:50.45cjaymesNakko, so that's probably not a tilde
00:50.47nonix4asg: not bash, strace
00:50.56yupiI have a doubt using mysql with chroot, if mysqld_safe does not use shared libs, why cannot start it? example  ldd  /opt/mysql-5.0.18/bin/mysqld_safe
00:51.00yupinot a dynamic executable
00:51.05yupi/usr/sbin/chroot /chroot/mysql /opt/mysql-5.0.18/bin/mysqld_safe
00:51.05yupi/usr/sbin/chroot: cannot run command `/opt/mysql-5.0.18/bin/mysqld_safe': No such file or directory
00:51.08yupiany idea?
00:51.11asgnonix4: ah, my mistake
00:51.29nonix4asg: the script is just a "minimal" testcase for triggering the strace bug
00:51.29NakkoIBM PS/2 style keyboard, American English, uhhh, 104/105 key I guess.
00:51.37cjaymesyupi, why is mysqld_safe in /opt?
00:51.55yupiI use this with --prefix option
00:52.14yupi/chroot/mysql/opt/mysql-5.0.18
00:52.21nonix4asg: so, if you run the command & wait for the minute to pass, does glibc report double-free error for you or not?
00:52.53yupicjayme but I cannot start it under chroot
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00:54.20asgnonix4: well, I was going to create a sandbox user to do it (for security reasons) but apparently adduser in sid is buggered :) Do you want this run on sid?
00:54.22Nakkocjaymes: No, key 49 is the upper-left most key on the main set of keys, directly below ESC. 48 is apostrophe & double-quote. 47 is semicolon & colon.
00:54.29Nakkoetc etc
00:54.48cjaymesNakko, it sounds like that shift key is set up as an Alt key to me, but I'm no expert
00:55.17aidanif I want to set up logrotate to do each virtualhosts logs, would I make a file for each virtualhost? or is there a clever way to do it
00:55.51cjaymesyupi, on my system I think what you're trying to do is chroot /usr/bin/mysqld_safe
00:56.02spldartooOOOOOooo... installing gatos required some dependency breadline something or other which removed a bunch of my appy's... like totem-xine and perl etc....
00:56.14cjaymesyupi, debian doesn't put anything (or much of anything) in /opt...
00:56.40stewcjaymes: it cannot, by policy
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00:57.10asgnonix4: Process 30502 detached
00:57.11asg*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (top): 0x0807b7a8 ***
00:57.42yupicjaymes I use tarball instead of .deb
00:58.06yupi<PROTECTED>
00:58.06yupiERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2)
00:58.10yupiit works
00:58.16yupibut mysqld_safe does not
00:58.34yupiwith this error
00:58.35yupi/usr/sbin/chroot: cannot run command `/opt/mysql-5.0.18/bin/mysqld_safe': No such file or directory
00:58.40yupiso I have no idea :(
00:59.20dondelelcaroyupi: you don't have mysqld_safe installed; so it's not going to work.
00:59.28dumezilhow can i tell my linux nis server to not use /etc/shadow when i make a user?  i want to store the password in /etc/passwd...
00:59.41dondelelcaroyupi: 1) is there any reason why you're not using the deb packages? 2) if you're not using the deb packages, #mysql is the place to go for support.
00:59.43yupi<PROTECTED>
00:59.43yupiStarting mysqld daemon with databases from /opt/mysql-5.0.18/var
00:59.49yupiworks without chroot
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01:00.15spldartwhen will I ever learn my lesson that debian unstable is extremely flaky :(
01:00.16dondelelcaroyupi: that's because when you chroot, the path is relative to the chroot, not absolute.
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01:00.24dahumpcan anyone help a newbie figure out how to start X?
01:00.34nonix4asg: you're paranoid, eh? Yep, testing on sid (which I'm not running here) would be preferable. The script does nothing more than starts sleep 60 within two containing shells and prints the shells's pids so that stracing them (and triggering the strace double-free bug) is easy.
01:00.44BrianUTdahump ..... startx  ?
01:00.51dahumptried that, doesn't work
01:00.55nonix4asg: oh, I'm lagged - sorry; 'k - you got it verified.
01:01.00yupidondelelcaro, so it is correct no?
01:01.01yupi/usr/sbin/chroot /chroot/mysql /opt/mysql-5.0.18/bin/mysqld_safe
01:01.05dumezilhow can i tell my linux nis server to not use /etc/shadow when i make a user?  i want to store the password in /etc/passwd...
01:01.06yupidondelelcaro: it's ok?
01:01.11dondelelcaroyupi: no, it's not.
01:01.23yupiwhat is the correct then?
01:01.26dahumpI downloaded sarge using the netinstall. No option for installing either kde or gnome
01:01.30asgnonix4: yeah but my paranoia uncovered a problem with adduser which I'll check out ;)
01:01.32dondelelcaroyupi: /opt/mysql-5.0.18/bin/mysqld_safe is not under /chroot/mysql
01:01.37dondelelcaroyupi: why in the world are you doing this anyway?
01:01.42dahumpI downloaded kde, but can't start it.
01:01.50yupi/chroot/mysql/opt/mysql-5.0.18/bin/mysqld_safe
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01:01.55yupiyes it is
01:01.56dahumpI just downloaded and installed xdm but I don't know what it will do.
01:02.01darkcmdyour dumb
01:02.01BrianUTdahump, I just recently installed sarge, less then a week from cdrom and I had the option to install a gui.
01:02.14dahumpI used net install
01:02.35yupidondelelcaro, mysql_safe is unde /chroot/mysql/opt/mysql-5.0.18/bin/mysqld_safe
01:02.39dondelelcaroyupi: well, you can get support for that in #mysql; we don't support tarball installs of mysql here.
01:02.39yupiunder
01:02.40asgdahump: apt-cache show xdm (the description will give you an idea)
01:02.57yupiit uses a specila lib?
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01:03.12yupibut I have compiled mysql without shared libs
01:03.25yupi-all-static option
01:03.33dondelelcaroyupi: that's not the point. The point is that you're not using the Debian packages. We can't support them here.
01:03.41yupi:(
01:04.19dahumpHow would I use apt-get to install X? When I tell it to get-install X, or X11 or X11R7, or Xfree86, it says there is no such package.
01:04.31asgdahump: /msg dpkg set up x
01:04.32gravitydahump: apt-get install x-window-system
01:04.42dahumpah, thank you very much gravity
01:04.43dondelelcaro!tell dahump -about search
01:04.58dumezilhow can i tell my linux nis server to not use /etc/shadow when i make a user?  i want to store the password in /etc/passwd...
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01:05.04dahumpbtw, I am using epic4 on DSL on Virtual Machine.
01:05.12wiredddyay kde 3.5 is in etch
01:05.14dahumpTO chat here
01:05.23dahumpThe debian install is on other machine
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01:05.35asgdahump: disable shadow passwords?
01:05.40dondelelcarodumezil: uh... you almost definetly want to use /etc/shadow...
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01:06.37dahumpgravity, thanks you solved it I think. APT is dloading a 74 MB file.
01:07.40jmganyone know a ha related channel?
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01:07.58dondelelcarojmg: high availability?
01:08.07asgheating and air?
01:08.10jmgdondelelcaro: yeah
01:08.14jmgdondelelcaro: clustering
01:08.16dumezildondelelcaro too bad i can't cause of solaris nis clients
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01:08.45dondelelcarodumezil: that shouldn't matter, solaris should support shadow passwords by now...
01:08.54hongouruhi
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01:09.04asgdondelelcaro: it only just got an out of the box sshd :)
01:09.14dumezildondelelcaro well i can't figure out how...  anyways im running old versions of solaris
01:09.22dondelelcarough.
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01:09.32gravity...
01:09.35dondelelcarowell, say good by to security, and use shadowconfig.
01:09.43dondelelcaros/by/&e
01:09.55asgdumezil: 2.6?
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01:10.29dondelelcarojmg: clustering is really a separate problem from HA; but you'll probably find more information on mailing lists instead of IRC channels
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01:11.14nonix4asg: concerning reporting that bug, what should I put as Version: ? Seems to be just about any...
01:11.53asgnonix4: just use 'reportbug(1)', it will provide all the info necessary.
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01:12.53douglas_hi everybody. i was trying to install the debian installer on my usb flash (/dev/sdb) with "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb" but accidentally i wrote "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda" where sda is my sata hard drive
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01:13.08asgdouglas_: oops
01:13.09douglas_is there any way to restore it or should i start to cry now? :D
01:13.16asgdouglas_: do you have backups?
01:13.32douglas_asg: i'm afraid i dont
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01:17.45Gneahot damn
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01:17.46asgdouglas_: probably time to start crying then I'm afraid. debugfs and other tools can help extract data but the corruption at this point may be too great.
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01:17.48Jay-Rhello linux newbie here
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01:17.48douglas_asg: damn!
01:17.48Jay-RI get a cannot start X when starting Linux
01:17.49schedmaybe
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01:17.49devicenull`yea, netsplits suck
01:17.49Jay-RI have a PCI-E nvidia 5300
01:17.49asgJay-R: /msg dpkg set up x
01:17.50Digital-PioneerOK, my question.
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01:17.51Led_Zeppelinanyone know if its possible to mount a .cdr iso file?
01:17.51Digital-PioneerI am running a dual boot with debian and Windows.
01:17.51Led_Zeppelinmount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 image1.cdr /mnt does not work....
01:17.52Digital-PioneerWindows is on hda2, and I need to access it from Debian. How do I do that?
01:17.52douglas_asg: is the a minimum chance to recover the data? i had three ext3 partitions on it
01:17.53asgDigital-Pioneer: /msg dpkg ntfs
01:17.53fhffhqvbgrr
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01:17.53asgDigital-Pioneer: or is it a fat partition?
01:17.54Digital-PioneerNTFS.
01:17.55asgdouglas_: if you have a backup of the partition table, then you could restore that and be able to access the two that weren't corrupted. The other would still require debugfs and other utils (no guarantees though)
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01:17.55gahancan i resize mounted partition?
01:17.55asggahan: no
01:17.55Jay-Rwats a DPKG SET UP X?
01:18.02Jay-Rany body can helpme on this?
01:18.13asg!tell Jay-R about set up x
01:18.25douglas_asg: well, i think it's time to cry, uh?
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01:18.44petemcgahan: if by some fluke you're using jfs, you can resize it dynamically while remounting it
01:18.55Digital-Pioneerasg: it said that ntfs needs an action option.
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01:19.00asgdouglas_: yeah :(
01:19.12douglas_asg: tnaks anyway man
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01:19.29gahanpetemc: does ext3->jfs hurt?
01:19.30asgdouglas_: not a problem, sorry there wasn't a more fruitful answer for you.
01:20.07petemcgahan: if hurt != copy data elsewhere, remake sf, copy back - no!
01:20.14petemcs/sf/fs/
01:20.19gahantoo bad
01:20.28asgDigital-Pioneer: just mount it read only. man mount
01:20.44Digital-PioneerCan't do that.
01:20.50Digital-PioneerI need write capabilities.
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01:21.51Jay-Rx cannot identify my video card?
01:21.55Jay-Rwhat do I do?
01:22.01asgDigital-Pioneer: oh, I don't know about that. Someone else here might though.
01:22.05Jay-Rare there drivers alvalable?
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01:22.12cjaymesJay-R, write your driver :)
01:22.23Digital-Pioneerasg: OK, thanks anyways.
01:22.24cjaymesJay-R, what card?
01:22.26Jay-RI have a NVIDIA PCI-E 5300
01:22.34asg!beer scarynetworkguy
01:22.42Jay-RI have a NVIDIA PCI-E 5300
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01:22.45cjaymesJay-R, I think that's the nv driver
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01:22.53Jay-Rnv driver..
01:22.58Digital-PioneerCan anyone help me mount an NTFS partition with write permissions?
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01:23.02Jay-Rhow do I enter the X setup again?
01:23.16cjaymesJay-R, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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01:23.26Aim_HereThere's also a binary blob driver from the nvidia site, if you're willing to risk the wrath of the little RMS on your shoulder with the horns and the pitchfork
01:23.51Digital-PioneerAch, forget it. I'll just use Knoppix.
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01:24.02Jay-Rk ill try that
01:24.06cjaymeswhoah
01:24.09Jay-Rlet you guys know my progress
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01:24.26cjaymesmy tnt2 ultra isn't supported anymore
01:24.31cjaymesit's "legacy" :)
01:25.11asgcjaymes: I have an S3 card that only works with X version 3.
01:25.16BrianUTmaybe that's why I couldn't get my tnt2 to work the other day
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01:25.21cjaymesouch
01:25.30cjaymeshttp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8174/README/32bit_html/appendix-a.html
01:25.52cjaymesapparently there's a legacy driver
01:25.53JamesSwhat package contains the man pages for standard c headers?
01:25.55cjaymesdunno what that means
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01:26.38cjaymesoh wait, that page is for the non-rms driver
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01:27.51dagbrownWow, I had a Riva TNT 2 Ultra once.
01:27.54dagbrownYears ago.
01:28.01cjaymesyeah, that xorg driver still has all the legacy chipsets
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01:28.36cjaymesBrianUT, did it not work for 3d or just regular graphics?
01:28.43cjaymesdagbrown, :-P
01:28.52Led_Zeppelinanyone know if its possible to mount a .cdr image?
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01:29.23cjaymesLed_Zeppelin, I think it would be the same procedure as mounting an iso
01:29.34avaris there any neat firewall setup helping script in main?
01:29.40BrianUTcjaymes I didn't mess with it, I pulled the tnt2 out, tried an S3, remembered the last time I tried to get an S3 to work in x, pulled it and stuck a matrox in.
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01:30.15BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: where does that cdr file come from?
01:30.15Led_Zeppelincjaymes: naa not working
01:30.31cjaymesLed_Zeppelin, http://www.aplawrence.com/Unixart/mount_iso_image.html
01:30.37cjaymesis that what you're doing?
01:31.39Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: CDRWIN
01:31.48Led_Zeppelincjaymes: yah, not working
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01:32.02Led_Zeppelincjaymes: mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 image1.cdr /mnt
01:32.11Led_Zeppelinmount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
01:32.13BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: was it the output of dd, it would be mountable
01:32.21BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: but that can be anything
01:32.29cjaymesdo you have /dev/loop0?
01:32.31BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: who knows if there is a filesystem in it ?
01:32.37Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: not output of dd, my friend gave me the file....
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01:32.44Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: hmm true
01:32.58Led_Zeppelincjaymes: yes, loop exists
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01:33.24Led_Zeppelinanyway to play a CDimage? similar to how we play a wav?
01:33.53BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: was it an audio cd ??
01:33.59Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: i think so
01:34.05Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: yes, its a DTS encoded audio CD
01:34.21BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: file filename.cdr
01:34.24Bucciaratiok
01:34.28Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: data
01:34.49BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: you can burn it to a cd and play it on any audio cd player :)
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01:35.12Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: yep...how do I burn it? CDrecord / k3b will not burn it...
01:35.21Led_Zeppelini have to use a windows program :-(
01:35.24Bucciaraticdrecord will ..
01:35.37Bucciaraticdrecord [options ..] -audio file.cdr
01:35.42Led_Zeppelinaaa right
01:35.43Led_Zeppelindoh
01:35.50Bucciaratiif it is the true cdr format..
01:35.58cjaymesprobably cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=0,6,0  -data  cd_image
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01:36.02Bucciaratilet me guess.. you were using -data ?
01:36.16cjaymesohhh, right
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01:36.44Led_Zeppelinwell, I prefer mouting this first :-)
01:36.44cjaymescdrecord -v speed=2 dev=0,6,0  -audio  track1.cdr
01:36.45Led_Zeppelinhehee
01:37.20cjaymesLed_Zeppelin, I think you can use sox to make the cdr a wav
01:37.22cjaymesthen just play it
01:37.30cjaymessox file.cdr file.wav
01:37.44Bucciaratiright, sox may play it
01:38.10Bucciaratibut you can avoid the conversion to wav using directly the 'play' command (part of sox)
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01:38.38cjaymeswell, that's nifty
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01:39.14cjaymesBucciarati, you wouldn't happen to be a jack master would you?
01:39.19cjaymeserr, that didn't sound good
01:39.33Bucciaratiuhh jack master erm..
01:39.34cjaymesjackd master
01:39.40cjaymes:)
01:40.11Bucciaraticjaymes: never used jackd :)
01:40.24cjaymesI do a little dj'ing on the side & I'd like to start learning beat to beat mixing
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01:40.52cjaymesbut jack seems to be the platform of choice for all of those programs
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01:41.03cjaymes(all 1 of them :)
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01:41.21Bucciaratiseeams reasonable to use low-latency for that
01:41.38cjaymesyah
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01:42.11cjaymesI had jackd working at one point, but I fubared /etc, so I lost my config
01:42.27cjaymesit seems very finicky about its settings
01:42.50Led_Zeppelincjaymes: you are right!
01:42.51NakkoHmm.
01:42.57Led_Zeppelinnow I need to get a DTS codec
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01:43.20cjaymesLed_Zeppelin, mplayer maybe?
01:43.21NakkoAny way around SecuROM (et. al.) protection on CDROM's I legitimately own?
01:43.35Nakkoi.e., I am trying to run a program with wine...
01:43.56dagbrownNakko: Hit your favorite warez site and download a crack.
01:44.11Led_Zeppelincjaymes: Bucciarati: you have you been very very helpful...thanks!
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01:44.18cjaymesnp
01:44.54BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: now thanks to free software you can headbang
01:45.22Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: hehe yah...thanks
01:45.32Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: how do I find out what device my CD/RW is?
01:45.33Bucciaratidagbrown: weird answer for a free software irc channel :)
01:45.48Led_Zeppelinhdg: _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
01:45.55BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: x86? `dmesg | grep ^hd`
01:46.01Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: hdg: _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
01:46.02Bucciaratiexactly :)
01:46.19Led_Zeppelinwhat about for CDrecord? i have problems assigning a device for it
01:46.24cjaymescdrecord -scanbus
01:46.31Bucciaraticdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus
01:46.32Bucciaratior
01:46.35Bucciaraticdrecord dev=ATA: -scanbus
01:46.43Bucciaratidepending on your kernel version and configuration
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01:46.59Led_ZeppelinLinux linux 2.6.13-15.7-default #1 Tue Nov 29 14:32:29 UTC 2005 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
01:47.08Jay-Rim back
01:47.10Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: naa, don't think that works...
01:47.21Jay-Rive done reconfiguring x and selectng NV ans my video driver
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01:47.34Bucciaratiheh try both :)
01:47.36Jay-Rbut X says it cannot find screen and there is a FATAL IO error
01:48.07Led_Zeppelinscsidev: 'ATAPI:'
01:48.07Led_Zeppelindevname: 'ATAPI'
01:48.08Led_Zeppelinscsibus: -1 target: -1 lun: -1
01:48.10Led_Zeppelinis that right?
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01:48.13BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: it worked for me many many times :) on different kernel versions (too bad i don't recall ver numbers)
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01:48.19Led_Zeppelinsorry, only 3 lines
01:48.24Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: was that right?
01:48.25BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: yes it is right
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01:48.36Bucciaratibut wait
01:48.43Led_Zeppelinso, cdrecord dev=-1,-1,-1
01:48.47BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: you should get some more lines
01:48.50Led_Zeppelinthat does not look right at all
01:48.50Led_Zeppelinhehe
01:49.00dagbrowncdrecord :(
01:49.21BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: no, there should be some other lines listing your devices
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01:49.22Led_Zeppelinno, not really
01:49.23dagbrownOr just use growisofs which takes a normal device name.
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01:49.24BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: and do `cdrecord dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdg`
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01:49.45BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: or dev=ATA:/dev/hdg depending on which one lists your device correctly
01:49.52Led_Zeppelin1 sec
01:49.54Led_Zeppelinsweet...
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01:50.38Led_Zeppelincdrecord dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdg -audio image1.cdr ?
01:50.43Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: look right?
01:50.53BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: looks right yes
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01:51.13Led_Zeppelinsweet. let me try
01:51.14Led_Zeppelinthanks!
01:51.17BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: maybe add -v
01:51.21Bucciaratifor verbosity
01:51.34Jay-Rcan anybody help me
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01:53.41freeone3000...Why can't I kill the initial install's grabbing default packages?
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01:54.01cisseso for the people who run apt repositories, what do you use to manage it, manual, reprepro ?
01:54.07Jay-Rhow do I correctly configure X?
01:54.10hellkatCan someone assist me with mounting my ipod? I cant seem to use gtkpod successfully, as it doesnt see my ipod.
01:54.17hellkatits a usb cable,
01:54.18cissefreeone3k: probably catches the signal
01:54.37cisseJay-R: find out what video card you have and google xorg myvideocardmodelhere
01:54.38hellkatjay-r: xf86config, or xorgconfig
01:54.48gravity!drxx Jay-R
01:54.48dpkgJay-R: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>
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01:55.57Jay-RI have Nvidia PCX 5300
01:56.07Jay-RI choose the NV driver but its not working
01:56.22hellkatCan someone tell me how to mount/get my computer to see my iPod (usb/video)
01:56.39cissehave youlooked at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
01:57.00resiak!tell hellkat -about usbstorage
01:57.15hellkatMuch thanks, Resiak!
01:57.27Jay-Ryes, it says FATAL IO error
01:57.54Bucciaraticisse: anything about repo mgmt on debian-policy?
01:58.45cissehrm let me check
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01:59.33Bucciaraticisse: i had a private/internal repository years ago, didn't know about any tools to manage it so i did it all manually
01:59.47hellkatresiak: mount:special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
01:59.54resiakhellkat: *shrug*
02:00.23hellkatResiak: thanks anyways, man
02:00.41Jay-Rill let you see my xorg.log
02:00.42cisseBucciarati: hrm it seems to be debpool vs reprepro (which i just got to work)
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02:00.45Jay-Rin a moment
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02:03.25qtgai did an lsmod... would ieee1394 be the module my eth0 uses?
02:03.52Jay-Rcisse: in dccing you my log
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02:04.35BucciaratiJay-R: you may http://rafb.net/paste so everyone can see it
02:04.42Jay-Rwhats the diff between xfree86.0.log and Xorg.log
02:04.56cissejayr: please don't put it on pastebin.com
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02:05.01qtgaxf86 is pretty much depricated\
02:05.23cissexfree86 is an older version of x you should prob use xorg
02:05.35Boukensyahey guys, when I ifconfig my server it shoots out this address: 169.254.103.95
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02:05.51Boukensyabut it works on the address I set it to in the /etc/network/interfaces file
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02:06.22clarson169.254.* is LINKLOCAL
02:06.31Jay-Rhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/S2GTAs92.html
02:07.02Boukensyaclarson so its its local address on eth0?
02:07.14clarsonyes
02:07.15Jay-Rmy xfree86.log is at http://rafb.net/paste/results/S2GTAs92.html
02:07.36Boukensyaclarson, okay so eth0 is running both the local and external address?
02:07.37BucciaratiBoukensya: you should use iproute instead of ifconfig (which is deprecated on Linux)
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02:08.11roaetoh blah
02:08.14roaetI hate this crap
02:08.33BoukensyaOkay, iproute is installed, but not a command
02:08.41BucciaratiBoukensya: ip a sh dev eth0
02:08.46roaetwhen you kill X the FB goes nuts
02:08.49roaetI hate hate hate it
02:09.04Jay-Rany one have view my log?
02:09.24Jay-Rany bright ideas out there?
02:09.25Boukensyaok, it shows both the 169 and the 203 live ip on there
02:09.32clarsonBoukensya, not sure the question, but yes you would have the local binded your ip
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02:10.17Jay-RGuys?
02:10.26Boukensyawell I am having trouble running the backup agent because it expects to broadcast the 203 ip out to the server, but instead it broadcast out the 169 ip address out
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02:11.20BucciaratiBoukensya: is the external address set as 'secondary' ?
02:11.40Boukensyalooks like it yes
02:11.41clarsonI have my base IP on eth0 and then extras at eth0:1 eth0:2 etc etc
02:11.55Boukensyabut the 169 address was never specified in the /etc/network/interfaces
02:11.56Jay-Rany help out there?
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02:12.54BoukensyaBucciarati, how do I set the external address as primary?
02:13.08Boukensyais there a way to disable the linklocal?
02:13.16clarsonJay-R, basically that log says no screen found...
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02:14.12Sonnyhi, what should I use to see  shared directories of another PC in my network? How to set up the net?
02:14.14clarson!tell Jay-R about drxx
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02:14.34justin!+noscreensfound
02:14.34dpkgi heard noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure  xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x"  NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem.
02:14.43BucciaratiBoukensya: yes
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02:14.55BoukensyaBucciarati,   (:  how?
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02:15.11BucciaratiBoukensya: i am making up the command :)
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02:15.19JayR_abcmy xfree86.log is at http://rafb.net/paste/results/S2GTAs92.html
02:15.28JayR_abccan anybody help me?
02:15.28BoukensyaBucciarati,   CHEERS  ():
02:15.45JayR_abchow do I switch from xfree86 to xorg?
02:15.58BoukensyaJayR_abc, if it says no screens found your video card or monitor settings are not correct
02:16.16clarsonJay-R, /msg dpkg drxx
02:16.18Boukensyasometimes I have seen it do that when the mouse or something stupid like that isn't correct
02:16.18rebellis!tell rebellis -about usbstorage
02:16.29clarsonJayR_abc, , /msg dpkg drxx
02:16.32gravityJayR_abc: If you have an Xorg logfile you already have
02:16.37gravityJayR_abc: X -version to see for yourself
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02:16.47BucciaratiBoukensya: can't be done with a single command, you need a script to remove _all_ addresses from eth0 and then add only the expected one
02:16.48YogSothothHi!
02:16.48roaetin the X86Config-4 should I add "nvidia" do the Load "nvidia" in Module section?
02:16.49YogSothothIs there a way to tell rsync to set special chown for files it touches?
02:16.58freeone3000roaet: Sure, why not?
02:17.08BucciaratiBoukensya: you may lose your connection to the server if you make it wrong :)
02:17.14freeone3000dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 might work better, though.
02:17.24BoukensyaBucciarati, hmmm..  thats not good.  any way to do it in the interfaces file?
02:17.33JayR_abcmonitroeI have a xfree86.log not xorg.log
02:17.54BucciaratiBoukensya: surely first you have to realize how that link-local address made it to eth0
02:18.05Bucciaratibecause else it may happen again :)
02:18.12Bucciaratis/may/will/
02:18.20Boukensyahmm..  yes  you are right
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02:18.24Boukensyawhy would it do that?
02:18.34JayR_abcbut I cannot RUN dpkg-reconfigure x-server-xfree86
02:18.44dvsxserver-xfree86
02:18.46gravityJayR_abc: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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02:18.57JayR_abcI can only run RUN dpkg-reconfigure x-serverxorg
02:19.08BucciaratiBoukensya: no idea how that could have happened, have you been doing experiments with network or interfaces ?
02:19.17BoukensyaBucciarati, it used to be on another ip via dhcp until it was ready to go live then I switched the ips to a static
02:19.20JayR_abcdoes this mean I have Xorg or Free86?
02:19.26gravityJayR_abc: X -version
02:19.31roaetanyone have any problems after killing X that the text tty goes crazy?
02:19.33JayR_abcok
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02:19.51JayR_abcsomeone says the problem is in my monitor?
02:19.58BucciaratiBoukensya: is dhclient still running? :)
02:20.01JayR_abcbut x seems to detect it correctly
02:20.03dagbrownroaet: You kill -9'ed X?
02:20.18JayR_abccan it be caused by the refresh rate setting?
02:20.34BoukensyaI did a ps aux |grpe dhclient and nothing came up
02:20.44Boukensyagrep even
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02:22.24roaetholy bejezzus
02:22.25clarsonBoukensya, you don't have eth0 set to auto in interfaces?
02:22.29roaeti just installed the nvidia drivers
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02:22.40sm00fdoes anyone have any experience with suspend2?
02:22.47MeFakoni was thinking of installing debian, but i heard there are out-of-date pacakges?
02:23.17Sonnywhat should I use to access to the PCs of my network?
02:23.29BucciaratiBoukensya: maybe you could http://rafb.net/paste your /etc/network/interfaces (or only the relevant part of it if you're shy)
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02:24.02thingfishMeFakon: yes, sarge is nothing but out of date packages.  You don't want it unless you need an amazingly stable, problem-free installation that sets the standard for quality in the linux world.
02:24.03roaethow do you blacklist modules?
02:24.12asgroaet: /msg dpkg blacklist
02:24.17roaetthanks again
02:24.29MeFakonthingfish, sarcasim?
02:24.30MeFakon:)
02:24.46thingfish;)
02:24.46sm00fwhen my swapwriter goes active the next line says swap available for image: 0 pages? im trying to understand this?
02:25.06MeFakonthingfish, is there a mirror that has xorg instead of xfree86 though?
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02:25.44thingfishMeFakon: if you need xorg, you can install etch, or use xorg from backports.org (although there are caveats to the latter).
02:25.59MeFakonetch?
02:26.13clarson!tell MeFakon about get xorg
02:26.17dvsthingfish: latter?  I though testing would be riskier for a newbie
02:26.40MeFakonk thx
02:26.44thingfishMeFakon: there are 3 "debians" - stable, testing, and unstable.  Sarge, Etch, and Sid.
02:26.53MeFakoni see
02:27.03MeFakonso edit the apt-get config file for using etch?
02:27.27thingfishdvs: I was just thinking of the fact that if I choose to install backport.org's xorg, it wants to remove gnome.
02:27.34dvm1981MeFakon: See code names
02:27.40thingfishI mean, he may want that.
02:27.51MeFakoncode names?
02:27.56roaetappppletalk is eevvil
02:27.56thingfishdvs: but yeah.
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02:28.22gravityMeFakon: Basically before the official version number is figured out, we just call it by a code name
02:28.32gravityMeFakon: The code names tend to hang around as a result though
02:28.34clarsonthingfish, why would backports xorg want to remove gnome?
02:28.36MeFakonhmm k
02:28.44dvsthingfish: Remove gnome?  Ok.  You're right.
02:29.01MeFakonalright well i'm gonna install debian, bbl
02:29.04thingfishclarson: I have no idea.  Ask them.
02:29.14BoukensyaBucciarati, http://rafb.net/paste/results/DaXXfE59.html
02:29.23Boukensyathe *'s are ips
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02:29.46BucciaratiBoukensya: let's see
02:30.10MeFakonanyone ever hear of archlinux?
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02:30.28kspathMeFakon: no one has, not even the poeple that use it.
02:30.29dvs!start an os war
02:30.29dpkgHURD is better than Debian!  Amiga Rocks!
02:30.29asg!archlinux
02:30.29dpkg[archlinux] a i686 optimized linux distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary and source based package management
02:30.33BucciaratiBoukensya: looks perfectly normal and issue-free
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02:30.45BucciaratiBoukensya: even too simple to get any problem!!
02:30.45creatureSo, etch has broken libxft, apparently. I'm not an apt-expert, unfortunately; I think I'd like to tell it to downgrade again. Is this straightforward to do?
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02:30.57BoukensyaBucciarati, yeah, that is what I thought
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02:31.01BucciaratiBoukensya: it must be some external program that mangled the addresses
02:31.38dagbrowncreature: Grab a deb of the second-most-recent one from http://snapshot.debian.net/ and install it by hand with dpkg -i.
02:31.48BoukensyaBucciarati, how would I investigate this?
02:32.00creaturedagbrown: Thanks, I'll give that a shot.
02:32.03clarsoncreature, libxft broke a program i use regulary the other day too...
02:32.16chealcreature: just upgrade your system
02:32.32dagbrownlibxft broke several programs I use regularly: the desktop environment, the web browser...
02:32.47dagbrowncheal: Have all the broken programs been rebuilt and pushed out?
02:32.50gravitydagbrown: upgrade to the latest freetype in testing
02:33.21kspath!win libxft
02:33.22dpkgCongratulations, libxft! You have won the US presidency!
02:33.29BucciaratiBoukensya: keep an eye on the processes running.. it must be one of them. if it is not one currently running, it may be one that runs at boot time
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02:33.36raf256!bushsmite libxft
02:33.41gravityActually, it's freetype that's buggy
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02:34.31chealdagbrown: hehe, there are way too many programs broken to fix them in one day. Etch was only taken care of enough to avoid critical breakage
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02:35.04kspathdagbrown: use sarge
02:35.06BoukensyaBucciarati, just by ps aux |watch ?
02:35.21Boukensyaor wach ps aux
02:35.24dagbrownkdspath: No.
02:35.28creatureFrom what I read, it seems that libxft changed some APIs around, and things didn't quite flow as properly as they should with the info about that.
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02:35.36dahump_Newbie here. I just figured out how to download and install X windows system but after configuration it crashed without ever starting. Can anyone tell me how to bring up the screen that lets me configure mouse, keyboard, and hardware?
02:35.43kspathdagbrown: Yes, do it!  Do it now!
02:35.55cheal!x windows
02:36.00cheal!xwindows
02:36.00dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap
02:36.10gravitycreature: Xft built against the newer freetype. The newer freetype had bad info in its packaging which allowed Xft to migrate in to testing without updated freetype. Then xft went looking for the newer stuff in freetype and didn't find it.
02:36.12BucciaratiBoukensya: look at the process list (ps faux) once, if you don't see anything that could be it, look in /etc/rc2.d/ or /etc/rcS.d/
02:36.19gravityHence the missing symbols
02:36.20BoukensyaBucciarati, root      2039  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    Feb21   0:00 [shpchpd_event]  -- would that be something
02:36.27gravityIf you want the gory details, I can fill you in
02:36.36gravityBut it's really just Debian release minutia
02:36.45BucciaratiBoukensya: uh don't know :) i'll google it
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02:36.54BucciaratiBoukensya: that's a kernel thread anyway
02:37.04creatureWell, if you're bored and enjoy giving out arcane info, feel free.
02:37.10creatureI'm generally pleased to receive arcane info.
02:37.14Boukensyaoh, just noticed that too
02:37.31gravityHeh
02:37.36chealgravity: basically, the xft maintainer broke it as always, right?
02:37.40BucciaratiBoukensya: but it's shpchpd nothing to do with dhcp
02:38.00chealgravity: isn't he also the udev maintainer?
02:38.03dvs!lart the xft maintainer
02:38.14gravityThe freetype upstream altered their ABI without bumping their soname like they were supposed to. This is because freetype has classicly been crack. The freetype maintainer (who's since quit) didn't bump the freetype shlibs properly
02:38.30gravityXft didn't specify a freetype version to build against using a shlibs.local because it's a hack
02:38.46kspathcreature: Iran was a representative govt before "Free" nations interferred and go the Shah installed as leader. All because of fear of Socialism when the Prime Minister wanted to nationize the oil fields.    Arcane enough?
02:38.55BoukensyaBucciarati, http://rafb.net/paste/results/7XT2hV76.html
02:39.00Boukensyanothing looks out of place to me
02:39.12gravitySo freetype had an RC bug and couldn't migrate to testing automagically. This was also because the GNUStep folks didn't have their act together on their own ABI change and were holding out freetype to keep things working for them in testing
02:39.16creaturekspath: That's not bad.
02:39.17clarsonI think i have downloaded about 10 gigs of tetex in the past three weeks
02:39.38kspathcreature: Look it up. Fact is stranger than fiction.
02:39.43gravitySo, because Xft didn't know to specify a newer freetype because freetype's shlibs file was wrong, it migrated in without freetype, causing the missing symbols
02:39.54gravitycheal: Who? The Xft maintainer? No... that'd be me
02:40.03gravitycheal: And I don't maintain udev.
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02:40.12chealgravity: hahaha
02:40.19creaturegravity: Well, I'm impressed xft was fixed promptly. If you're to to thank for this, thank you.
02:40.22BucciaratiBoukensya: ...
02:40.26chealgravity: did I really get you? :-P
02:40.30Bucciarati21 root      2975  0.0  0.0   1580   368 ?        Ss   Feb21   0:00 /usr/sbin/zeroconf -i eth0
02:40.34gravitycheal: No, just wasn't sure if you knew
02:40.40BucciaratiBoukensya: apt-cache show zeroconf
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02:40.42BucciaratiBoukensya: :)
02:40.53chealgravity: ah, ok :)
02:40.53clarsoni didn't start it either...
02:40.56rolerwhat is the difference between the GLX and DRI extensions in xorg.conf?
02:41.02gravitycreature: Actually it was freetype that was "fixed" sorta but not really. The release team just said "Up yours GNUStep" and pushed in the new freetype without really fixing things
02:41.27chealso anyway, gravity must be the usual culprit
02:41.30gravityroler: GLX is a module that encapsulates OpenGL commands in the X11 protocol. DRI is a means to directly send rendering commands to the hardware
02:41.30BoukensyaBucciarati, awesome, so just remove that?
02:41.48BucciaratiBoukensya: if you don't need that, remove it
02:41.59gravityroler: GLX is basically unaccelerated X (currently, although that's changing) and DRI allows hardware accelerated X if you don't run nvidia's proprietary module
02:42.00BucciaratiBoukensya: but why have you isntalled it if you don't need it ? :)
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02:42.16BoukensyaBucciarati, I didn't install it, it must of been installed by default
02:42.17gravityroler: Er, sorry. GLX is unaccelerated 3d. X's 2d can still be accelerated just fine without it
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02:42.57BucciaratiBoukensya: no, it's "Priority: optional" and not in "Section: base"
02:43.07BoukensyaAWESOME!!
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02:43.12BoukensyaYou did it!!
02:43.19Boukensyathank you sooo much Bucciarati
02:43.27Boukensyayou have been a great help!
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02:43.44rolergravity, ; interesting indeed... I loaded the brand new nVidia drivers and i allowed the new utility to modify my xorg.conf... It rem'd out the Load DRI line and put in LOAD GLX. The weird thing is when I load the drivers (I go to console, kill x, and run them) it loads X just fine.. If I reboot, X failes to load...
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02:43.52rolergravity, ; right now I am using DRI and it loaded
02:44.22BoukensyaBucciarati, no idea how it would of been installed, I didn't install it (unless it was installed when I installed other packages) and I am the only one who has access to the box
02:44.26gravityroler: Well, nvidia's GLX is accelerated. The one that ships with X(free86/org) isn't
02:44.29creatureAnyway, thanks for the xft info, but now I must be off.
02:44.30creatureLater all.
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02:45.01rolergravity, ; but nVidias GLX does not support synaptics... interesting indeed
02:45.04roaetplay
02:45.06roaetblah
02:45.11roaetapplytalk is still starting
02:45.21roaetand taking 30 seconds to do whatever the hell it does
02:45.23zinxmmm applysouce
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02:45.31BucciaratiBoukensya: weird self-installing package :)
02:45.43Boukensyahehe  yeah
02:46.07rolergravity, ; so GL is unaccelerated, DRI is accelerated BUT IF you are running the nvidia drivers, GLX IS Accelerated... thats what you are saying?
02:46.15clarsonprobably taged in from some other package
02:46.16gravityroler: Yep
02:46.25gravityroler: Except that your first "GL" is actually "GLX"
02:46.42gravityroler: Note that that explanation is changing in the future. GLX will be accelerated one day soon.
02:46.51gravityActually it is now, but it's still in development on a CVS branch
02:47.01karstenrebleh
02:47.03gravitySo don't hold that as a mantra :-)
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02:47.05rolergravity, ; ya I read something about that and the new gnome coming out
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02:47.06gravitykarsten: word
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02:47.08karstenUm.  Nevermind.
02:47.25zinxGLX is just a protocol used to do GL management on an X server... DRI requires GLX to work, afaik
02:47.55zinxGLX doesn't imply accelerated/non-accelerated
02:48.00gravityMaybe. tbh, I don't recall if GLX is required for DRI
02:48.11rolerhmm
02:48.25rolerzinx; so can I use both modules, glx and dri? Maybe that will fix my problem and still give me acceleration
02:48.31gravityzinx: Right, that's what I said initially, but I didn't think that was the answer he was looking for
02:48.31zinxroler: you need t.
02:48.32zinxto
02:48.40rolerahh
02:48.45zinxroler: dri can't really do much without glx
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02:48.48zinxit should auto-load it though
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02:48.55zinxthat's not to say it does.. only that it should ;)
02:49.14Wonkersilly q: in a diskless workstation, using NFS as root filesystem, does the root filesystem have to have an entry in fstab?
02:49.17roleris there a way to see my current xorg startup debug info once i'm in X?
02:49.18gravitynvidia doesn't use DRI though, from my understanding
02:49.24zinxGLX allows clients to do wonderful things like, say, create GL contexts.
02:49.33zinxroler: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
02:49.42zinxgravity: it doesn't
02:49.50gravityzinx: So DRI is irrelevant to him
02:49.54zinxgravity: still uses GLX, though.. would be silly to make people rewrite their programs
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02:50.04gravityzinx: It uses their own custom GLX, yes
02:50.07gravityWhich is accelerated
02:50.09zinxgravity: oh, yeah.  if he's using nvidia's drivers he should stay away from DRI
02:50.10zinxno
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02:50.15zinxhe still needs GLX :D
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02:50.27gravityer...
02:50.28gravityWhich GLX?
02:50.36zinxthe one obtained by using Load "glx"
02:50.46gravityThat's the nvidia one if he installed it properly
02:50.54waltmanI'm running testing.  I'm worried that this new version of libfreetype6 will break windowmaker, so I'm trying to put it on hold.
02:51.12zinxgravity: yeah
02:51.22waltmanI told aptitude to forbid version 2.1.10-1, but dist-upgrade is  still trying to install it.
02:51.24gravityWhich has no use for DRI
02:51.26zinxshould be entirely proper if he uses the nvidia-glx package
02:51.32gravityBecause it's the nvidia glx, which doesn't use DRI
02:51.34gravityMake sense?
02:51.36waltmanany suggestions?
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02:51.54zinxroler: install nvidia-glx and the kernel module package, comment out Load "dri", make sure you have Load "glx", and change your Driver to "nvidia"
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02:52.09Wonkerhate to repost, but ... silly q: in a diskless workstation, using NFS as root filesystem, does the root filesystem have to have an entry in fstab?
02:52.25kspath!DRI
02:52.25dpkgi heard dri is Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see http://dri.sourceforge.net or #dri
02:52.32dvsWonker: yes
02:52.38Wonkerdvs, ty
02:52.43dvsWonker: Sorry.
02:52.52waltmanI ran "aptitude forbid-version libfreetype6=2.1.10-1".  is that the correct way to set it?
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02:52.55dvsWonker: A diskless workstation.  I have no idea
02:53.19Wonkerdvs, heh, ok
02:53.31rolerzinx; so that will ditch my current nvidia.com driver?
02:53.48Wonkerdvs, nothing to do but try. My install is crapping out part way through the init
02:53.58clarsonroler, that should do it..
02:54.03zinxroler: hopefully
02:54.06zinxroler: however
02:54.15zinxroler: you should do sh nvidia-installer.sh --uninstall or whatever first
02:54.23zinxroler: just to make sure
02:54.34zinxroler: and in the future, avoid using installers that are not familiar with the way debian works
02:54.51rolerOyi... It wants to install the 2.4 kernel, and I have 2.6 hand installed. maybe I should just leave well enough alone
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02:55.44Jay-Rguys
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02:55.53Jay-RI still cant fire up my GUI
02:55.59zinxroler: erh
02:56.06Jay-Rim stuck with (EE) no devices detected
02:56.14clarsonroler, it wants to install the nvidia 2.6 kernel package not a new 2.4 kernel, it will work.
02:56.18Jay-Rand no screen found
02:56.21zinxroler: you may need to use module-assistant if it doesn't have a module for your package
02:56.24Jay-RFATAL IO error
02:56.34zinxroler: erh, module for your kernel rather
02:56.52roaetIf I have a wireless card and an ethernet card.. how do I make my wireless card the default?
02:56.59clarsonJay-R, lspci
02:57.01zinxroler: i do hope you used kernel-package to hand-install your kernel ;)
02:57.05rolerclarson, ; The following NEW packages will be installed: nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-386 nvidia-kernel-common
02:57.21clarsonroler, yes.
02:57.26rolerzinx; no... heh.. I've been hand compiling my kernels for ages
02:57.26Jay-Ri have xfree86's log at http://rafb.net/paste/results/S2GTAs92.html
02:57.31Jay-Rplease help me
02:57.37zinxroler: you *REALLY* need to use kernel-package.
02:57.39nvzhmm there my screen session is.. it was hiding under nautilus
02:57.42karstenroaet: Assign it to your gateway route.  Presumably you'd have 'em on different networks.  You don't need both configured at the same time.
02:57.54karstennvz: Damned sneaky screen sessions....
02:58.06rolerzinx; what is different about a debian kernel source and a normal kernel source?
02:58.12roaethow does one do that karsten?
02:58.16zinxroler: it's nearly just like compiling it without kernel-package, except you get a nice debianized package so you're now spewing random unmanaged files all about your system
02:58.28zinxroler: you don't have to use debian kernel source to use kernel-package
02:58.38kspathmatrox dead and gone?
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02:58.53karstenroaet: /etc/network/interfaces
02:59.16clarsonJay-R, what does lspci tell you about your video
02:59.17Jay-Rguys?
02:59.20Jay-Rany helpout there?
02:59.22jetscreamerJay-R: it may be the horizontal and vert rates
02:59.44Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: still around?
02:59.51Jay-Rmy horzontal is at 50-85
02:59.56Jay-Rvert is at 50-165
02:59.57jetscreamerJay-R: apt-get install hwinfo && sudo (or su) hwinfo --monitor && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
02:59.58roaeti'm confused
03:00.00rolerzinx; unmanaged files? I put the source in /usr/src/linux and the only 'files' are the system map and vmlinuz in /boot... modules  go into /lib/modules
03:00.04Azarroaet: did you installed Sarge with the 2.6 kernel?
03:00.04jetscreamerare those accurate?
03:00.05BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: uh yes :)
03:00.10roaetyeah
03:00.11roaetit's working
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03:00.15roaetnow I"m trying to get my wifi working
03:00.18roaetif I get that working
03:00.19Wonkerplatform: unstable, 2.6.15, diskless workstation. Symptom: Dies when loading cron at startup, complains about 2 fast of respawns. Any ideas?
03:00.20karstenJay-R: Try a really minimal configuration.  Use the vesa driver at 800x600 and 16bpp color depth.  See if that works.
03:00.22roaetthen this'll be perfect
03:00.23zinxroler: exactly.
03:00.30Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: hmm, should I burn that CD as -data or as -audio?
03:00.30Jay-Rit try that
03:00.31jetscreamerJay-R: hwinfo --monotor will tell you if you're not sure... listen to karsten
03:00.31zinxroler: use kernel-package or die :D
03:00.39rolerlol
03:00.42Azarroaet: I will look for wifi howto for you
03:00.48zinx!tell roler about kernel-package
03:00.51roaetwell I got it installed
03:00.54Bucciaratiif it was an audio cd, i'd *strongly* suggest -audio :)
03:00.54roaetbut I'm having errors
03:00.58roaetI'm going to reboot
03:01.05Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: i get these errors
03:01.10karstenJay-R: That may not be the settings you want, but it *should* work, and gives you a base to start improving the config from.
03:01.11Jay-Ri cant run x-version
03:01.13Jay-Rwhy?
03:01.13Led_Zeppelincdrecord: Bad audio track size 474199350 for track 01.
03:01.21Led_Zeppelincdrecord: See -pad option.
03:01.21karstenJay-R: As what user?
03:01.22gravityJay-R: X -version. Just like I typed it.
03:01.30Jay-Rroot
03:01.32karstenJay-R: missing a space.
03:01.34Jay-RX-version
03:01.35gravityJay-R: You have to do it exactly as "X -version"
03:01.42karstenJay-R: X <space> -version
03:01.43gravityJay-R: Put a space in between the X and the -
03:01.46gravityGod...
03:01.50clarsonhehe
03:01.52karstengravity: You called?
03:01.52BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: right, i forgot -pad for byte-alignment :|
03:01.55zinxroler: you'll want nvidia-kernel-source (which just plops the source for the module in /usr/src)
03:02.01Jay-Rohh.. I see
03:02.09BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: does it work using the -pad option ?
03:02.20Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: not sure...let me try
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03:02.25roaeti did this: http://jrblevin.freeshell.org/linux/ipw2100/
03:02.27clarsonbe careful gravity
03:02.28zinxroler: you can compile the module either using module-assistant, or make-kpkg after extracting it to the proper place
03:02.32roaetbut it doesn't have trouble shooting at the end
03:02.35Led_Zeppelincdrecord dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdg -audio image1.cdr speed=2 -pad Bucciarati: right?
03:02.36Jay-Rill let you guys know my progress
03:02.47roaeteither way. I have a wireless device, I just can't figure out how to make it my main network interface.
03:02.56roaetwhat I would like is a way to toggle between them
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03:03.28BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: no, the "-audio image1.cdr" need to be at the end of the option list
03:03.29Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: okay, trying the PAD version now
03:03.36Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: yep :-)
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03:03.43Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: you are the best helper...thanks for all of your help
03:03.53Led_ZeppelinBucciarati: if you ever need AIX help, I can try to help you :-)
03:03.53Led_Zeppelinhehe
03:04.01rolerzinx; I am RTFMing right now :)
03:04.30BucciaratiLed_Zeppelin: i'll remember that :)
03:05.24Azarroaet: http://www.vollink.com/gary/deb_wifi.html
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03:05.52rolerzinx; ok i'm reading this howto, and i'm still up in the air about what this kernel-package does for me over what I already have... It just keeps track of the files and where they go?
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03:06.08kspathmatrox has a 4 head card which has 4 chips one for each display
03:06.58zinxroler: it's the debian way
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03:07.13rolerheh
03:07.18roaetthank you
03:07.22rolerBRB
03:07.22roaetAzar
03:08.20roaetgoddamnit appletalk keeps coming up
03:08.21kspathI miss the old days where Matrox Mirage and Millenium were the thing to get    wait  no I do not
03:08.26roaeti've blacklisted the bastard
03:08.31roaetwhy does it keep coming up?
03:08.54jetscreamerJay-R: you don't want glcore
03:09.09jetscreamerlose glcore and dri, add glx
03:09.18jetscreamerwhen you reconfigure
03:09.38kspathroaet appletalk wants a rematch
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03:10.00jetscreamernot sure from the log if it's loading cuz of the config or not, but in the config you don't want it
03:10.24jetscreamerah well gone i guess
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03:10.49ejofeeanybody know about a video player which can be programmed to pause a film, play a sequence of another one, then return to the exact place where it left the first film and continue playing it, all in a smooth manner?
03:11.07jetscreamersounds like scripting to me
03:11.16zinxejofee: here's an idea.... run two.
03:11.44zinxejofee: or if you want it automatic, just splice them together :/
03:12.00ejofeezinx: what do i splice them with?
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03:12.35zinxejofee: video editing software of some sort, or you could decode/reencode manually
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03:12.59ejofeezinx: so i can't just edit, i have to decode/reencode?
03:13.04deangcan someone point me to a command line tool to toggle caps/num key states?
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03:13.10zinxejofee: usually
03:13.17Wonkerok, wierd, tty1-6 are not created in /dev
03:13.28ejofeezinx: but will i get the exact same quality?
03:13.45zinxejofee: some mpeg editing suites may be able to pull off the feat, assuming the two things to splice are the same resolution/etc
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03:13.57dvsyay!
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03:14.05zinxejofee: it will be slightly degraded, depending on if you reencode/what you reencode to
03:14.06nvzthis is fucking pissing me off.. if I leave this fucking ssh session to this other pc in screen without typing anything for a few min it freezes up my screen
03:14.18ejofeezinx: please tell me some mpeg editing suites. even for windows (but mention it)
03:14.29zinxejofee: i know of none
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03:14.59ejofeezinx: what if i simply cut a film into pieces. will it also lose quality?
03:15.02kspathI HATE transition times like this where AGP is going away. It will take years before online shopping site will quit listing them.
03:15.19nailchipperanyone use *awstats* in sarge? a machine of mine was compromised only a few days after installing it, with a 1 year old bug.
03:15.31kspathnvz: freezes up?
03:15.34dvskspath: What?  Everyone should move on?
03:15.37ootputdeadcat: new one :) http://metawire.org/~ootput/gallery/screenshots/fullsize/060222_ion3-twinview-cluttered.png
03:15.39zinxejofee: probably.
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03:17.16kspathdvs: took YEARS for ISA to go away
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03:17.45dvskspath: Yeah. And yet the floppy drive port still exists
03:18.01kspathdvs: That annoys the piss out of me.
03:18.10bipolaris there a limit on the number of logical partitions I can split a drive into?
03:18.14kspathdvs: at least serial ports have a real use.
03:18.22dvskspath: True.
03:18.35kspathdvs: I leave the floppy drive in and unplug the power and cable
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03:18.39dvskspath: Get rid of the floppy ports for some USB ports
03:18.41nvzwhat package contains the gnome mixer?
03:19.06nvzkspath: yeah I cannot control that screen anymore I get a zombied screen window
03:19.23kspathdvs: everything should have been firewire and USB2 long ago and  USB 1.0 and 1.1 still cause confusion and problems...
03:19.48crnwhat packages do I install to get a c/c++ sw developement environment?
03:19.53dvskspath: USB 1.0 and 1.1 are pretty much gone.
03:20.03kspathnvz: TCP keep alive was set?
03:20.10kspathdvs: supposed to be gone
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03:20.17nvzkspath: no idea
03:20.33abrotmanbipolar: yes
03:20.50kspathnvz:  stty sane control-j did not help?
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03:21.08kspathnvz: control-x and/or control-z did nothing?
03:21.08nvzkspath: regaurdless thats not fucking excuse. it should return control of my local terminal regaurdless
03:21.10abrotmanbipolar: let rephrase . i'm pretty sure there is
03:21.14stumblesanyone know how to get around the conflict in Testing between nvidia-glx and xserver-xorg?
03:21.43nvzkspath: only key combo that does anything is switching to another screen
03:21.57chealstumbles: use unstable's NVIDIA drivers
03:22.01kspathnvz: yeah that is odd. I have had things like that happen a few time in the last several years but I could not usually narrow down because I often could not repeat it.
03:22.07nvzkspath: it responds to a signal 9
03:22.13bipolarabrotman: is it 15? :)
03:22.18roaetanyone ever have a problem with debian not booting because it can't start an ethernet device?
03:22.23chealcrn: gcc I guess
03:22.27nvzkspath: oh its happening every single time on here ssh to this new sarge box
03:22.30abrotmanbipolar: that seems a logical number
03:22.32kspathnvz: signal 9 on remote end sent to process?
03:22.40nvzkspath: you dont type in there for a few minutes and its locked
03:22.42bipolarpoop... ah well.
03:22.44abrotmanbipolar: wtf do you need more than 15 partitions for? :)
03:22.44crncheal, thanks
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03:23.01abrotmancrn: build-essential
03:23.06stumblescheal: i have the same version of nvidia-glx listed in unstable so still get the conflict
03:23.10bipolarabrotman: I'm just playing around with lvm. split a 250GB disk into 10GB LVM partitions.
03:23.12nvzkspath: I mena I can kill 9 the pty in my screen and get control of my screen session again
03:23.19crnabrotman,  thanks
03:23.24chealstumbles: which version is that?
03:23.41bipolarabrotman: can only use sda1-15
03:23.49kspathnvz: what term are you using?  screen in what?
03:23.51stumblescheal: 1.0.7174-4
03:23.54abrotmanbipolar: i think it's a PC/BIOS limitation
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03:24.08nvzkspath: aterm
03:24.50kspathnvz: try wterm and see if it happens again. If it does, then try setting TCP keepalive and see if it happens with aterm and wterm again.
03:24.54Bucciaratinvz: screen -d -r
03:24.56nvzkspath: I just shut down that system to take the hd back to the owner.. and that screen is still locked up.. the active one that wasnt froze disconnected.. the frozen one is stil there
03:25.17kspath!spooky
03:25.32nvzkspath: I am not trying anything but taking this hd back and going to work now.. the aggrivation is over for now untill I run into this again
03:25.45abrotmanbah .. someone give nvz an IC light :)
03:25.59nvzI still got a beer left
03:26.12kspathnvz: that was the major reason I did not pursue the causes on the rare times it happened to me because various work called on my time.
03:26.12abrotmandon't you have work in an hour?
03:26.19nvzyes
03:26.32abrotmanjust making sure
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03:27.12nailchippernvz: you're going to work in 1 hr?
03:27.22kspathnvz: only reason it impacted me so much was 80% of the machines it happened to me on were when connected to machines 1-2 states away.
03:27.22nvzmore like 20min or so
03:27.25nailchipperand you're in PA? what do you do?
03:27.38nvznailchipper: I work for an injection molding corp
03:27.40abrotmanisn't everyone in PA ?
03:27.44nailchipperha!
03:27.45abrotmannvz: i did that as an admin
03:27.48dvsHa!
03:27.56abrotmannailchipper: do you prefer yuengling or IC?
03:28.08chealstumbles: that's not unstable's version
03:28.16roaetAnyone ever see this:
03:28.18roaetipw2100: eth1: failed to start the card
03:28.22roaetloop forever during boot?
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03:28.27abrotmandid you give it gas?
03:28.29nailchipperabrotman: everyone's in PA? I thought everyone was leaving PA
03:28.36abrotmannailchipper: i wish
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03:29.10nailchipperabrotman: which is IC?
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03:29.21nailchipperi do like yuengling though
03:29.36abrotmannailchipper: IC is the pittsburgh beer .. yuengling is more east PA
03:29.43abrotmanIC=Iron City
03:29.53stumblescheal: doh, your very right -- it didn't mark it as upgradable so i just assumed...
03:30.01dvsNo, that's Hamilton! ;-)
03:30.11stumblescheal: thanks, i'll give that a go
03:30.12dvsSteelback beer.
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03:30.43abrotmandvs: wrong country
03:30.49abrotmandvs: go Tigers!
03:30.50dvsDoh!
03:30.54dvsabrotman: Grrrrrrrrr
03:31.02abrotmandvs: i played at a few hamilton tigers games
03:31.03dvstigerpuddytats
03:31.08kspathI can not remember if the locked up sessions I saw were in screen or not.
03:31.32abrotmandvs: and Wonderland totally kicks ass!
03:31.39dvsYeah!
03:31.40nvznailchipper: 11:30pm-8:00am
03:31.43dvsNow ya talkin!
03:31.50abrotmandvs: my favorite ride of all time is at wonderland
03:31.58dvsabrotman: Which one?
03:32.01abrotmandvs: the "roulette wheel"
03:32.13nailchippernvz: what a schedule
03:32.21abrotmandvs: where they put you in the cage and have the disc spin and go perpendicular to the ground
03:32.25dvsabrotman: Wide Knightmare or Pharaoh's Eye?
03:32.29dvsAh
03:32.33abrotmandvs: it's been 10+ years
03:32.34dvsWilde Nightmare
03:32.59abrotmani love that ride
03:33.14abrotmanit's such a great park ..
03:33.20dvsand expensive
03:33.26abrotmanand it's hanna-barbarra!
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03:33.33psychonateWonderland?
03:33.34dvsabrotman: Not anymore.
03:33.35jazzanova__<PROTECTED>
03:33.42dvsabrotman: It's Nicketodeon now
03:33.43abrotmandvs: hehe ... i can get funnel cake everywhere .. i live in PA!
03:33.46nailchipperjazzanova__!
03:33.56abrotmanpsychonate: a theme park outside toronto
03:33.57dvsnickelodeon
03:34.23psychonateabrotman, oh, I saw PA mentioned; for a second I thought you fellas were talking about Dutch Wonderland haha
03:34.24jazzanova__what's a good video phone software that works over nat ?
03:34.33abrotmandvs: if you go to knobels .. you can get tons of funnel cake
03:34.39abrotmanpsychonate: do people actually go there?
03:34.44dvsO_O
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03:34.58psychonateabrotman, no one over the age of 3.5
03:35.02abrotmanhehe
03:35.05nvznailchipper: yeah feels like it never ends, go to work on monday, come home on tuesday and go back to work tuesday and come hom wed...
03:35.17abrotmannvz: like a real job?
03:35.22nailchipper:)
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03:35.23nvzabrotman: heh
03:35.26ricHi
03:35.38richow can i become operator
03:35.40ric?????
03:35.46abrotmanof what?
03:35.58abrotmangravity: op me!
03:36.04gravityheh
03:36.05nailchippernvz: ever fall asleep?
03:36.09dvsabrotman: Then we'll never see you again
03:36.09arsenanyone know a fix to the libopenh323 problem ?:x all i wanted was apt-get install gnome xD
03:36.15gravityhahaha
03:36.20abrotmangravity: every time i try to op you .. it fails
03:36.20ricof-this chanel
03:36.22nvznailchipper: at work?
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03:36.27abrotmanric: you beg and plead
03:36.27ric&
03:36.28ricchannel*
03:36.37nailchippernvz: yea
03:36.45arsenapparently dependancy is 1.17.4.. i cant find anything past 1.17.3 ?:x
03:36.47gravityric: You can't
03:36.48nvznailchipper: yeah, there isnt much to do there. I am thinking about getting a different job one closer that makes more money
03:37.04gravityric: At least, not now. You have to demonstrate to the current ops that you'd make a good op yourself
03:37.05abrotmanric: /msg chanserv op #debian ric
03:37.07nailchippernvz: what's the actual job? sys admin stuff?
03:37.17chealarsen: which libopenh323 problem?
03:37.18abrotmangravity: so what's my excuse?
03:37.19ricthats bad
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03:37.24gravityabrotman: Dunno
03:37.30abrotmangravity: heh
03:37.37nvzmy friend just walked in 21 years old never finished college and got a sort manager position at this new building down there in the industrial park.. so maybe I will go work for him
03:37.44gravityabrotman: You're going to debconf. Ask some people there :-)
03:37.52roaetkajhfhdsaf
03:37.53abrotmangravity: undecided as of yet ..
03:37.55ricno worries, thanx
03:37.55arsencheal, well, im getting dependancy issues when trying to install gnome.. like, it depends on gnomemeeting, which requires libopenh323-1.17.4.0
03:37.56roaetsometimes linux is cool
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03:38.00roaetothertimes it's bad
03:38.00gravityabrotman: Why?
03:38.01nvzfunny thing was is the next day they hired an older man with a 4 year degree under him
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03:38.04gravityabrotman: You should just go
03:38.05abrotmangravity: family/work
03:38.08gravityAh
03:38.11gravityYeah, work is keeping me
03:38.14chealarsen: which release do you use?
03:38.52arsenim on unstable currently :s
03:38.52abrotmangravity: my mom just moved to WI .. she whines about none of her kids visiting .. i'm seriously entertaining surprising her for m-day .. which is may 14th
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03:38.52arseninstalled with etch netinstall the other day, did dist-upgrade to unstable ;x
03:38.55gravityabrotman: An that's a good reason not to go
03:39.03nailchipperanyone ever move or remove /etc? :)
03:39.06gravityabrotman: fwiw, I've put off debconf for 3 years in a row now
03:39.06Kernel_corecheal: I have the Same Problem too ... I can't find libopenh323-1.17.4.0 ...
03:39.06Kernel_corecheal: but I am looking for libopenh323-1.17.4.0 to install Asterisk ...
03:39.07abrotmanit is .. but she'd probably rather have me go to DC
03:39.09chealarsen: heh, I guess you have your answer
03:39.15Kernel_corenailchipper: your linux willnot boot after you remove /etc
03:39.16abrotmangravity: at least you belong there :)
03:39.21gravityheh
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03:39.34abrotmangravity: i'd be a distraction
03:39.36Error404blah
03:39.36nvznailchipper: my job is a machine technician or some shit.. hell if I know
03:39.37stonedso I install hotkeys, and configure /etc/hotkeys.conf, then I run xev and hit the extra key, then it tells me which keypress code was sent. how do i assign a command to that keycode etc.?
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03:39.48roaetdid you all get my messages?
03:39.50roaetabout ipw2100: eth1: failed to start the card ?
03:39.52arseni mean, there doesnt seem to even be a 1.17.4 in existance, nevermind the 1.18 its asking for.. (searched around for the dev site :S)
03:39.56abrotman!ipw2100
03:39.56dpkg[ipw2100] a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net.
03:40.10gravityabrotman: Well, for the first year I only sort of did. I wasn't doing much of interest. Last year I hadn't done anything interesting yet, although during Debconf Xorg went in. This year, I have a reason. Anyway, don't let it deter you. Your level of involvement is entirely dictated by you anyway.
03:40.17abrotmangravity: besides .. when RMS signs the petition .. you get scared
03:40.23nvznailchipper: I dont actually work for them, its a job I was given by my agent.. I didnt want it, but I couldnt keep turning things down or they werent going to like me
03:40.25gravityabrotman: Who signed?
03:40.27roaetwow
03:40.31roaetthere is a channel for everything
03:40.35chealKernel_core: hum. I see that sid's asterisk is uninstallable
03:40.35abrotmangravity: RMS .. you know .. R M S
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03:40.39Kernel_corearsen: if you found 1.18 please tell me :)
03:40.45arseni wish :p
03:40.52nailchipperKernel_core: i moved it with sudo by mistake and now screwed... i can't move it because of sudoers file is gone and passwd is no longer found. kind of sucks
03:40.59abrotmangravity: it was a joke .. but RMS contacted david to pull it
03:41.01gravityHeh
03:41.02arsenis there a way i can install gnome without gnomemeeting?
03:41.09arsen(& its dependancies)
03:41.12Kernel_corecheal: even I can't install install it from source ( h323 )
03:41.15abrotman!install gnome
03:41.15dpkgTo install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x>
03:41.37chealarsen: well, the package is uninstallable, don't be too surprised if it doesn't install
03:41.40nailchippernvz: man.. i wish you luck getting a new job.
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03:41.46abrotmangravity: the work think isn't as bad .. except i'm the sole admin ..
03:41.49nailchippernvs: sounds rought.
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03:42.06gravityabrotman: Heh, ssh is your friend for the week
03:42.17chealKernel_core: yeah, it has a bad build-dependency
03:42.43abrotmangravity: yeah .. except days like today when a server eats its motherboard
03:42.58gravityOuch
03:42.59nvznailchipper: yeah. I dont want a job at all.. its just I rather be making more money and not having to leave town.
03:43.09Kernel_corecheal: so what is the solution ?
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03:43.21abrotmangravity: as the day went on . i got less and less visual output .. first video . then the front display .. so basically.. it turns on .. lights flash .. never boots
03:43.22arsenhttp://www.voxgratia.org/downloads.html has 1.17.3 , best i can find :x
03:43.36nvzI'd much rather be doing something I am good at. anything else is just counterproductive
03:43.38gravityick
03:43.50abrotmangravity: but IBM says the motherboard is only 2400$ :)
03:43.51gravitynvz: You could do something you're bad at in order to get good at it
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03:43.57chealKernel_core: there's no easy solution for installing asterisk 1.2.4 in Debian right now. I hope 1.2.3 is enough until it's fixed
03:43.58gravityabrotman: That's not too bad for a server
03:44.06nailchippergravity: perfect!
03:44.13abrotmangravity: no .. but you can get the same on ebay for < $500
03:44.17Kernel_corearsen: try your best but it doesn't compile ...
03:44.23arsen;(
03:44.29nvzgravity: yeah well thats what I am doing now.. and these labor jobs never pay off.. by time you are 50 and crippled you can retire and still live paycheck to paycheck
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03:44.38gravitynvz: Yeah
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03:44.42nvzactually you probably cant retire until 65
03:44.51arsentried gnomemeeting instead of asterisk?:x
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03:45.14Kernel_corecheal: I have some bottleneck I have to use 1.2.4 version
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03:46.57nvzand I am not even 23 and already half crippled so
03:47.29abrotmangravity: i'm still unsure what i'd do at DC
03:47.34nvzI need a job that can at least afford fucking xrays so I can take them to a chiropractor to fix my frame up
03:47.35gravityabrotman: Hang out. Hack.
03:47.40gravityabrotman: I dunno.
03:47.43gravityabrotman: I've never been :_)
03:47.46nvzbetween football, car accidents.. I am all bent up
03:47.47gravityGo to talks
03:47.51chealKernel_core: I hope there's a way to install the source and rebuild it anyway, but I don't know how
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03:48.27gravityI have to figure out what I'm going to submit a talk on for next year
03:48.38abrotmangravity: hack ? .. on .. what?
03:48.47gravityabrotman: Uh... anything that interests you?
03:48.51abrotmangravity: my developer skills have long gone to pot
03:48.54gravityfeh
03:49.00gravityYou're talking to a biologist dude :-)
03:49.21abrotmangravity: i used to be very good at developing ..
03:49.43abrotmangravity: you should go talk to pete .. he's a "fish"-ologist .. that works as an admin :)
03:50.00abrotmanbah .. pseubodot isn't anywhere to be found
03:50.11gravityheh
03:50.20abrotmanoh .. he's in -amd64
03:50.24chealgravity: are you also a physicist?
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03:50.36abrotmangravity: he is !iapf ...
03:50.39gravitycheal: No :-)
03:50.48abrotman!iapf
03:50.48dpkgiapf is, like, It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org)
03:50.57abrotmanwhich is probably still down
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03:51.21chealgravity: ha-ha :-P
03:52.03abrotmangravity: but i do have a large stack of programming books on the bookshelf .. all very dusty
03:52.05bipolarabrotman: confirmed.... sda16 has the same major/minor numbers as sdb... 15 partition limit on PC's.
03:52.19YogSothothIs there a way when I use sudo it uses the /root/.bashrc so I can use root aliases to sudo commands?
03:52.22bipolar'tis the suck :)
03:52.50abrotmanbipolar: of course .. afaik .. x86 is the only arch that uses logical partitions(i've just never seen another arch use them .. doesn't mean they don't)
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03:53.50abrotmanif only they existed
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03:54.05bipolarheh....
03:54.14gravityabrotman: It just takes a problem you want to solve and then going for it.
03:54.21concept10What decides if APT holds packages back from being installed?  What could be the the conflict
03:54.30abrotmangravity: i haven't had a programming problem that i wanted to solve in a long time
03:54.36abrotmangravity: yay debian! :)
03:54.59gravityHa!
03:55.14abrotmanseems like every time i submit a patch "oh  .. fixed in the CVS version .. but thanks anyways"
03:55.29gravityWell, I wanted to solve getting Xorg in to Debian. Before that I wanted to solve telling people dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but configure-debian failed at that...
03:55.34gravityAnyway, it doesn't take much
03:56.07abrotmanin order for me to ever want to be a DD . i'd have to find something i'd be interested in hacking on .. therein lies the problem
03:56.41concept10theres always much to hack on
03:56.48abrotmanthis was why i had suggested a while ago a way to donate packages to current DDs
03:56.59gravityYeah, that's it for most people. That and fear of big things that they're really interested in
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03:57.24gravityI was terrified of X even though I wanted to work on it for years. You just have to go for it.
03:57.44abrotmani just can't imagine having enough interesting in something like maintaining even 'xterm' .. it's not interesting enough to me :)
03:57.54abrotmani should just submit documentation packages
03:57.58gravityheh
03:58.13cheal!info gnome etch
03:58.13gravityWell, it's not for everyone, that's for sure
03:58.13abrotmanlike .. god damn . the courier-imap docs suck .. but they're straight from the courier site ..
03:58.20fatbrainwhat's the most common way of crating a link to some file?
03:58.24cheal[22:59] <dpkg> Package 'gnome' does not exist.
03:58.28abrotmancheal: that's a metapackage
03:58.30gravityfatbrain: ln -s <file> <link>
03:58.35abrotmancheal: it doesn't
03:58.37chealI don't get this. isn't gnome supposed to be in Etch?
03:58.45concept10what do you have to do to upgrade packages that APT wont upgrade?  is it apt-get -f upgrade?
03:58.48fatbraingravity: is there someway I can check what type of link a file is of?
03:58.51abrotmancheal: it's a metapackage. . not currently in etch .. but gnome-desktop should be
03:58.58gravityfatbrain: ls -l?
03:59.06abrotmanerr .. gnome-desktop-environment
03:59.08mtnmanconcept10: try apt-get dist-upgrade
03:59.17gravityfatbrain: It's either a symbolic link or a hard link. 999/1000 times it's a symlink
03:59.23abrotmancheal: why it's not there . nfc .. but it's not ..
03:59.29fatbraingravity: ok, thanks
03:59.35chealabrotman: but how is that? they're from the same source package no?
03:59.41abrotmancheal: what are?
03:59.53chealabrotman: gnome and gnome-desktop-environment
04:00.15abrotmancheal: it's like kde/kde-core/kdebase .. different metapackages to install the bloated piles of doggie doo :)
04:00.44concept10mtnman, I just did a dist-upgrade.  Some packages are being held back for some reason
04:01.10mtnmanconcept10: which debian_version?
04:01.16abrotmancheal: make sense ?
04:01.37chealabrotman: I understand their purpose, but I can't see why between different binary packages from the same source some would be available and some not available
04:01.43concept10mtnman, sarge -> testing
04:02.04abrotmancheal: just like kde was uninstallable a few weeks ago in etch .. gnome is now uninstallable
04:02.08mtnmanconcept10: well, testing is testing.  it is possible to have unmet dependencies and such.
04:02.12abrotmanactually unavailable
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04:02.23WonkerQ: On a h/w box where USB definitely can work with debian (in another install), it doesn't in a  bare install. Most probabe problem?
04:02.29chealabrotman: yeah, there's a difference...
04:02.34abrotmanconcept10: install them .. as in `apt-get install <package>
04:02.38abrotmancheal: how so?
04:02.45roaetwhere does debian hide it's grub.conf?
04:02.58abrotman/boot/grub/menu.lst
04:03.09roaetheh
04:03.10roaetthank you
04:03.11jimb0roaet: upi
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04:03.37chealabrotman: between being uninstallable and unavailable. different binary packages from the same source package can be some installable and some uninstallable, but since when can only some be unavailable?
04:03.43concept10I wish all distros would standardize the FS
04:04.14abrotmancheal: it's a metapackage .. it's quite possible that some of its dependencies aren't in etch .. which is why the metapackage won't filter in from sid
04:04.22roaetnow my debian wont boot.. how sad
04:04.47abrotman!why is gnome not in testing
04:04.47dpkggnome is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnome
04:05.10abrotmancheal: there's your answer
04:05.51roaetWhyyyy!
04:05.55abrotmanask god
04:06.09roaetWhyyy do I have to boot in rescue mode!
04:06.11roaetwhyyy!
04:06.24arsenanyone know what format skins should be in (&exactly where the folder/file should be) for bmp?
04:06.27abrotman'why god why' usually works better
04:06.28concept10debian needs some money thrown behind it
04:06.34abrotmanconcept10: pay up
04:06.45concept10abrotman, to who?
04:06.45roaetthe entire linux movement needs a singular goal
04:06.46roaet=P
04:06.58abrotmanconcept10: SPI last i knew
04:07.01abrotman!spi
04:07.01dpkg[spi] Software in the Public Interest, the umbrella organization for Debian and other Free Software projects, and the home page is http://www.spi-inc.org/
04:07.11concept10I will donate money to the org but not to a individual
04:07.16roaetlmfao
04:07.19chealabrotman: but the gnome source package *is* in etch
04:07.22roaetnow my rescue wont boot
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04:07.55abrotmancheal: which version?
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04:08.00chealabrotman: it's not about being outdated or uninstallable, the gnome binary metapackage appears to be missing from etch
04:08.09arsenhm
04:08.09cheal!info gnome-desktop-environment etch
04:08.12dpkggnome-desktop-environment: (The GNOME Desktop Environment), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.10.2.5 (etch), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 20 kB
04:08.20crnanyone here use the package motor for sw develpment?
04:08.23chealabrotman: that one, apparently
04:08.24abrotmangreat .. 2.12 is trying to enter etch :)
04:08.24arsenis there an alternative for windows media player plugin for firefox?
04:08.36chealcrn: what do you mean by package motor?
04:08.41abrotmanmozilla-mplayer
04:08.45arsenty
04:08.45concept10arsen, take your pick
04:08.55abrotman!tell arsen about w32codecs
04:09.03roaetwhat
04:09.03roaetWHAT
04:09.06roaettotally confused
04:09.07chealabrotman: it has since a long time...
04:09.15crncheal, there's a package motor.deb that is a sw develpment env
04:09.16concept10arsen, get a firefox extension called media player connectivity and you may specify what player you want to play what format
04:09.17chealabrotman: well, some time already :)
04:09.17abrotmancheal: not really .. just the last .. maybe 10 days
04:09.20arsenyeah, i have w32codecs ;x
04:09.23roaetWHy God why!?
04:09.30abrotmandrink bud dry
04:09.45abrotmangravity: and that's why i'll never be an op :)
04:09.50epsilondrink vodka
04:09.52gravityheh
04:09.56crncheal,  I trying to find the debian way to setup a sw env
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04:10.02nailchipperyou know.. following this chat for a few minutes.. i realized.. it would be cool for chat conversations to be threaded.. depending on who you refer to
04:10.13gravityTo celebrate
04:10.17chealcrn: ah, you're right...sorry. I don't use it
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04:10.21abrotmancelebrate 7.0 in sid?
04:10.32gravityNo, in experimental
04:10.34Dewioff-topic: what's a command that writes to both stdout and stderr? useful for testing where each one goes in a variety of situations?
04:10.37crncheal, np
04:10.39abrotmangravity: all in?!
04:10.40gravityMost of it anyway. The important parts are there
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04:10.48gravityEnough to run the server happily
04:10.52abrotmangravity: what about the parts people keep whining about?
04:10.56abrotman!tell Despayre about root
04:10.57gravityabrotman: The server
04:11.00nailchipperDewi: in the shell?
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04:11.02gravityThat's been missing on purpse
04:11.07abrotmangravity: but not the composite and xgl thingies?
04:11.18epsilonwhat's experimental exactly, it's more development than sid?
04:11.22gravityabrotman: No, not yet. Once 7.0 is in unstable, I can start to work on those
04:11.33abrotmanepsilon: stuff more broken then the .us foreign policy
04:11.46gravityabrotman: They need newer stuff than is in 7.0, so I want to make sure we have the stable release down before I start packaging CVS HEAD and so forth
04:11.46abrotmanthan
04:11.47cheal!tell epsilon about experimental
04:11.57roaetOk. I have the rescue kernel image, and the normal kernel image. I boot of the normal and I get ipw2100: eth1: failed to start the card. So I get clever and set the rescue as the default in grub. Now the rescue gives me ipw2100: eth1: failed to start the card and the normal doesn't!
04:12.00roaetWTFROG?!
04:12.07abrotmangravity: ah .. good plan i suppose ..
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04:12.22abrotmangravity: next you can package 5dwm! :)
04:12.35epsilonis experimental also available via apt like unstable?
04:12.36gravity5dwm?
04:12.44chealepsilon: hum, not as helpful as I would have expected
04:12.49chealepsilon: yes
04:12.51gravityPlease don't tell me that's real
04:12.57abrotmangravity: http://5dwm.org/
04:13.11abrotmangravity: http://5dwm.org/screenshots.html#top
04:13.24chealdoes anyone else understand why the gnome binary metapackage appears to be missing from Etch?
04:13.30gravitydear lord
04:13.30abrotmangravity: it's irix desktop for X afaik
04:13.50dondelelcaro!+info gnome etch
04:13.51dpkgPackage 'gnome' does not exist.
04:13.52abrotmanwhich .. the IRIX desktop was/is quitenice
04:13.52epsiloncheal: when was experimental introduced? always though sid is the last cry
04:14.00nailchipperDewi: commandname &> file
04:14.03chealepsilon: a long time ago
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04:14.26gravityepsilon: As long as sid has been called sid
04:14.31abrotmanepsilon: really .. experimental is stuff that's not really suitable for public consumption
04:14.33gravityepsilon: It's not a full distro though, where sid is
04:14.37concept10anyone use gnustep?  whats the speed like compared to gnome or kde
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04:14.44abrotmanconcept10: ask tarzeau
04:15.13concept10!seen tarzeau
04:15.13dpkgtarzeau is currently on #debian.  Has said a total of 150 messages.  Is idling for 10h 10m 24s
04:15.26abrotmangravity: once you see the "cpuwaster" backgrond .. IRIX is all worth it :)
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04:15.36gravityhehe
04:15.38gravityI can only imagine
04:15.38concept10!seen concept10
04:15.38dpkgconcept10 is currently on #debian (1h 52m 4s).  Has said a total of 14 messages.  Is idling for 0s
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04:15.52Dewinailchipper: that's redirect from both stdot and stderr to just one of them. I want a source of both
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04:15.54abrotmangravity: it is an active background .. a spinning SGI logo .. it's damn cool
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04:16.05gravityhehe
04:16.08roaethey wow
04:16.15roaetI can't make my friggen kernel
04:16.28roaetno rule to make target 'init/main.o'
04:16.30abrotmangravity: i used to have an SGI .. for the time .. a totally sick machine ..
04:16.54despayrecan someone tell me how to fix this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1895
04:16.56dondelelcarocheal: it's possible that it was just removed by an RM... but that's kind of wierd.
04:16.57despayreplease/thankyou  :)
04:17.10Dewinailchipper: is there a bash command to write to stderr? apart from pipe to /dev/stderr?
04:17.10abrotmanthe gnome package wouldn't be installable
04:17.14epsilonroaet: do you have development packages such as build-essential installed?
04:17.20Dewinailchipper: apart from > /dev/stderr I mean
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04:17.22roaet...
04:17.23roaetwhat?
04:17.29abrotmandespayre: man dpkg .. see the overwrite section
04:17.37dondelelcaro!overwrite
04:17.38roaetye
04:17.39roaetyes I do
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04:18.19chealdondelelcaro: OK...I don't even remember the removal of a specific binary package happening. thanks for letting me know that's possible
04:18.21abrotmanthe gnome package that is in sid apparently depends on a version of rhythmbox that isn't yet in etch
04:18.55nailchipperDewi: sorry. not sure.
04:19.07cheal!info rhythmbox etch
04:19.13dpkgrhythmbox: (music player and organizer for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.8.8-13 (etch), Packaged size: 1839 kB, Installed size: 3696 kB
04:19.22abrotman!depends gnome sid
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04:19.25dpkggnome: depends on gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.12.2.2), gnome-office (= 1:2.12.2.2), gdm-themes, gnome-cups-manager (>= 0.30), gnome-themes-extras, rhythmbox (>= 0.9.2), synaptic (>= 0.53.4) | gnome-apt, gnome-screensaver | xscreensaver
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04:19.31nailchippernice :)
04:19.32abrotmansee!
04:19.37chealabrotman: that's right...and it's one of the reasons it doesn't transition
04:19.39dondelelcarooverwrite is <reply> The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because whatever package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package, and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Fire up your web browser and make sure a bug is reported against the packages in question. If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrit
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04:19.45dondelelcarodpkg: overwrite is <reply> The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because whatever package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package, and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Fire up your web browser and make sure a bug is reported against the packages in question. If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-ov
04:19.45dpkgdondelelcaro: okay
04:20.03abrotmancheal: so afaik .. once that version of rythmbox gets in to etch .. so should the gnome package
04:20.32abrotmandondelelcaro: truncated
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04:21.18chealabrotman: oh, right, it appears the be the *only* reason now. cool. but my question was more about why it's currently as it is, not really about when it could be fixed
04:21.49abrotmancheal: i guess they removed the binary package .. but not the source .. which seems silly .. but i'm not a DD .. wtf do i know :)
04:21.57chealI have learned no earlier than today that I could send too long messages on IRC without being noticed by either konversation or gaim :/
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04:22.18abrotmancheal: you wordy frenchie!
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04:22.26chealabrotman: yeah, me neither, so I guess I'll stick with dondelelcaro's explanation
04:22.33nailchippercheal: what do you mean?
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04:22.37Madeyeis there an Opensource alternative to x-ten ?
04:22.42despayrehow do
04:22.47abrotmanMadeye: wtf is x-ten?
04:22.49dondelelcaro!overwrite
04:22.50dpkgThe reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename>
04:22.50stumblescheal: did you have any problems with lockups when upgrading to the unstable nvidia drivers?
04:22.52despayrehow do I paste from a gui app to a terminal window?
04:23.00dondelelcaromuch better.
04:23.07chealnailchipper: if you send a long message on IRC, it can be truncated, like apparently just happened to dondelelcaro
04:23.15abrotman!dondelelcaro++
04:23.29roaetwhat is a very good usenet app for X11?
04:23.32abrotmandespayre: middle click ?
04:23.34abrotmanpan
04:23.39abrotmanslrn
04:24.10chealstumbles: I didn't do it, I just know it's the solution. if 8178 is unstable, consider using nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy instead
04:24.12sollusthello all...i just upgraded to xorg, but now I get crashes...
04:24.17Madeyex-ten is a SIP softphone, I can use it to call and receive calls with my VOIP account
04:24.29nailchippersollust: learned your leason? :)
04:24.34sollusthehe
04:24.35stumblescheal: thanks
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04:25.15DewiMadeye: it's called X-Lite, x-ten is the previous name of the company that wrote it
04:25.23LinuxKeitarowhat is the best video player for a computer with low ram specs?
04:25.23abrotmanMadeye: gizmo? skype? asterisk ?
04:25.27DewiMadeye: but I haven't found an open source one that worked as well yet
04:25.32sollustnailchipper: how do I go back to xfree86>
04:25.38Dewiabrotman: skype isn't open
04:25.38Madeyeabrotman, I already have VOIP account, I just want a softphone.
04:25.43Dewiabrotman: or VOIP
04:25.43abrotmanDewi: i know it isn't
04:25.52abrotmanDewi: afaik . skype is SIP ?
04:25.54elbixiohi everybody. i did "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda" instead of "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb". is there any way to recover the data on my hard drive?
04:26.02abrotmanDewi: i don't use it . i don't really know ..
04:26.06DewiMadeye: http://www.sipfoundry.org/sipXezPhone/
04:26.06elbixioi know about "Using this method will destroy anything already on the device. Make sure that you use the correct device name for your USB stick."
04:26.10jjazzMadeye: Short answer:  there are no decent FOSS SIP phones currently
04:26.12DewiMadeye: that one looks a bit promising
04:26.18DewiMadeye: but I haven't tried it yet
04:26.22nailchippersollust: sorry buddy. i can't help you there. i don't use X anymore.
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04:26.25elbixiobut i was just wondering if the recovery could be done
04:26.25sollustactually, I've got an error that I've never seen before
04:26.38DewiMadeye: but yeah, I use x-lite
04:26.38MadeyeDewi,  i'll give it a try now, thanks :-D
04:26.57sollustI googled the error, but I haven't seen any solutions
04:27.00DewiMadeye: steer clear of openwengo, it seems insane
04:27.04nailchipperabrotman: leaving?
04:27.16abrotmannailchipper: it's 1130 .. i'm sick .. i have work tomorrow :)
04:28.03nailchipperabrotman:  can't argue against that.. good night.
04:28.28sollustis there a channel for xorg?
04:28.35cheal!xorg
04:28.35dpkg[xorg] X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg
04:28.38ootputnailchipper: what is it that you're using instead?
04:28.47sollustwell, that was easy...
04:29.08nailchipperMac OS X
04:29.14ootputX
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04:29.42jshriverwhat's the gcc command to link to allegro?
04:29.44nailchipperI manage servers through terminal. no X
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04:30.31nailchipperelbixio:  man.. sorry to hear that. you might have trouble recovering data.
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04:30.53metaperlwhat do I use to view quicktime images on Debian/testing? vlc was recently de-installed by something else I installed
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04:31.33elbixionailchipper, really? at least, could this be done?
04:31.39nailchipperelbixio: rewriting the start of a disk in a ext filesystem (as i've learned it) can be pretty bad for the rest of data..
04:31.42elbixionailchipper, i don't mind the hard work :)
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04:32.06elbixionailchipper, even if i had three ext3 partitions in it?
04:32.46nailchipperelbixio: i don't want to advise you on this..cause it could be worse.. but maybe if you reformat it as ext3 without erasing data. you might be able to rewrite the tables in front of the disk
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04:33.21nailchipperand *somehow* recover data.. i did something like that with a 1.44 floppy disk.
04:33.54nailchipperi *think* it worked. but it was a few years back.. i don't recall. i've lost many other disk since then, its hard to recall which events lead to it
04:34.08deadcati am about to growisofs -X /dev/dvd -R -J /path/to/familyguy/   <-- but i want the dir familyguy/ IN the dvd instead of all the files in that dir in the dvd. whats the option for mkisofs? i can find it in man
04:34.14elbixionailchipper, after the "accident" i panicked, so i tried to install debian again, thinking that the second partition would be safe
04:34.33nailchipperoh boy
04:34.34elbixionailchipper, but the debian installer now sees the hard drive as a 74 GB fat16 disk
04:34.52cheal!experimental
04:34.52dpkgexperimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental.
04:34.54metaperlwhat do I use to view quicktime images on Debian/testing? vlc was recently de-installed by something else I installed
04:35.00nailchipperwell.. i think you can mount it somewhere else..
04:35.06nailchipperusing another installation
04:35.24nailchipperreinstalling might have done more damage though..
04:35.42elbixionailchipper, i didnt reinstalled it
04:35.51nailchipperooh ok.
04:35.52elbixionailchipper, i just wanted to see the partitions
04:36.04nailchipperyou know fdisk?
04:36.10elbixionailchipper, yep
04:36.11chealdpkg: experimental is also for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference
04:36.11dpkgcheal: okay
04:36.25nailchipperplay with that.. see if you can change the type to ext3
04:36.41nekostarlibavutil/libavformat <<-- are there packages for these by chance?
04:37.03elbixionailchipper, i thougth about installing debian in another hard drive (as master) plug my sata disc (as slave) and try that way
04:37.11nailchipperexactly
04:37.13elbixionailchipper, u think it could work this way?
04:37.16nailchipperthat is what i would do
04:37.38elbixionailchipper, well i'll do it first thing in the morning :)
04:37.48nailchipperyou might want to make a backup image.. so you can restore if it fails
04:37.59stewnailchipper: nailchipper /msg dpkg search ; /msg dpkg apt-file
04:38.07stewnekostar: ^^^
04:38.23nailchipperwelcome stew.. remember me?
04:38.25elbixionailchipper, how could i make a backup image?
04:38.28stewnailchipper: eddie?
04:38.35nailchippercorrect.
04:38.36nekostarty
04:38.38nailchipperuse dd
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04:39.45parsonsdhow can i tell which programs have references to particular mountpoints?
04:39.58stewparsonsd: fuser or lsof
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04:40.43niklausi have installed sarge and the time is not correct. When i do date it is showing incorrect time. I tried using tzselect but still it ain't working properly
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04:41.00parsonsdstew -- i'll look those up.  i'm only able to get either my camera or my USB flash ram stick to umount when i `umount -l`
04:41.15nailchipperniklaus: ntp
04:41.25stewniklaus: install ntpdate and ntp-simple
04:41.38nailchipperntpdate
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04:46.05MadeyeDewi, do you have any idea where x-lite store it's configuration or account information ?
04:46.20DewiMadeye: sorry, no
04:46.29MadeyeDewi, thanks
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04:49.45niklausstew, nailchipper : i just did that still it is not showing the correct date
04:50.10aaron_200001hello, I am using a debian firewall and would like to grant access to my webserver inside the network.  Does anyone know the best way to do this?
04:50.29niklausSetting up ntp-simple (4.2.0a+stable-2sarge1) .date :Wed Feb 22 16:22:14 IST 2006
04:50.35nailchipperniklaus: you synced with a timserver?
04:50.41aaron_200001I want the router to forward port 80 to the webserver
04:50.43niklausnailchipper: how to do that
04:51.08nailchipperniklaus: you need a time server..i'll get you a list in a sec
04:51.20stewniklaus: you have to set the date close with "date -s" first, then run "/etc/init.d/ntpdate restart", if your date is too far off to start, ntpdate won't work
04:51.26niklausi have it
04:51.44niklausserver pool.ntp.org
04:52.17nailchipperi'll let stew continue helping you..
04:52.59niklausstew, i just did that it works but when i reboot will it go back
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04:53.16niklausdate -s sets date for this session but after reboot it again goes back
04:53.21stewniklaus: yes, ntpdate will set it at start, ant ntp simple will track your clock drift while your machine is on
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04:53.42stewniklaus: are you dual-booting with windows?
04:53.45jshriveranyone here use voice synthesis? what is the best program and what's the best sound package?
04:54.00niklausstew, yes
04:54.05jshriverwas trying festival, but the voices aren't that great... use to use the one built into OS X but now I'm 100% linux
04:54.06niklausnot windows but freebsd
04:54.15stewniklaus: then make sure you have utc set to no in /etc/default/rcS
04:54.24stewniklaus: oh, nm if its fbsd
04:55.05niklaussteri, should i put it as no,but why does it happen
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04:56.36stewniklaus: if you dual boot with fbsd you should probably keep it at yes
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04:57.11niklausstew, what UTC do by the way
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04:58.17ogami1972hello all- am still having network problems- i see eth0 listed as up during boot- but i cannot connect
04:58.47arsenusing dhcp?
04:59.07ogami1972yes
04:59.19arsengot an ip?:o
04:59.50ogami1972i assume so- this machine seems fine
04:59.53rfmonkiwconfig or ifconfig....
05:00.08arsenifconfig ^ ^ will give you details of the interface
05:00.22ogami1972tried ifconfig, followed by ifup eth0; also tried pump
05:00.23stewniklaus: it says that your hardware clock will be set to UTC aka GMT, and your timezone setting will be used to adjust it to localtime
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05:01.31rfmonkare you using firefox? had similar problem with ubuntu after an upgrade to breezy
05:02.04ogami1972i was avoiding distro discussion- it tends to shut people off, and i feel this is a generic problem
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05:02.27ogami1972this actually demudi on a laptop
05:02.42useruserwhat might cause / to be remounted read-only without my knowledge?
05:02.44ogami1972ubuntu works great on the laptop
05:02.53ejofeeso isn't there any player which lets me decide from which position to which position to automatically play each movie on a playlist?
05:03.24rfmonki just nuked it and went back to sarge
05:03.28BlackJudasmake menuconfig on linux-source-2.6.15 throws me an error.  http://pastebin.com/566262 <-- link to the error.   Is this a common error, or have I screwed something up?
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05:04.40ogami1972i added "auto eth0" to the end of /etc/network/interfaces, and i see "e100" listed as "up " during boot, but discover doesn't find any response
05:05.01ogami1972ay suggestions?
05:05.01useruserhow do i remount / read-write?
05:05.05dondelelcaroogami1972: we really can't support demudi, as it's not Debian. However, if dhclient eth0; isn't working, then the laptop either isn't connected, the network card isn't supported, or the dhcp server isn't responding.
05:05.08ejofee... or plugin?
05:05.11dondelelcarouseruser: mount -o remount,rw /
05:05.14dondelelcarouseruser: man mount;
05:05.18userusermount / -o remount,rw says it's write-protected
05:05.24useruseri tried that :)
05:05.32dondelelcarouseruser: which filesystem?
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05:05.40useruserdondelelcaro: ext3
05:05.53useruserdondelelcaro: it got remounted read-only, i have no idea why :(
05:05.56dondelelcarouseruser: and what's the underlying device?
05:05.59ogami1972thx donde- and, yes, i know better- i just am tired of spending music creation time "apt-get"-ing and messing with jack
05:06.02useruserdondelelcaro: a hard disk
05:06.07SonnyI've installed samba, but when I write in firefox  "smb:///192.168.2.11" it tells me "unknown protocol", why?
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05:06.15deadcati am having trouble using an icon theme from gnome.org, where do iput them and what do i do afterward?
05:06.29useruserdondelelcaro: ide
05:06.34dondelelcarouseruser: it'll get remounted read only if there is an error on that device. [you are of course doing this as root, right?]
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05:07.08useruserdondelelcaro: right.
05:07.49useruserdondelelcaro: the last thing in the syslog is from yesterday (over 24 hours ago), but I had read-write access just a few minutes ago
05:08.08dondelelcarouseruser: try mount -n -o rw,remount /;
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05:08.44chealSonny: probably because Firefox doesn't know of any "smb" protocol
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05:09.40useruserdondelelcaro: same problem. mount: block device /dev/hda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only
05:09.45Sonnycheal: is it not supposed to know it?
05:10.13chealSonny: are you sure you're not confusing a KDE feature with a Firefox feature?
05:10.36useruserdarn, looks like i'll have to reboot my way out of this one
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05:10.59Sonnycheal: mmmmm so if I want to access to my another PC using samba, what should I do
05:11.00Sonny?
05:11.11arsenmount it ;o
05:11.14deadcati am trying to get an icon theme to work, but nothing working. move the theme to ~/.icons right? what next?
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05:12.28chealSonny: you can mount a Samba share, or use the kioslave, but somewhere it's supported
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05:12.52tengulrehi,all
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05:13.09niklausstew, thanks actually i don't want to set my hardware clock. So iwill put No
05:13.12arsennot sure if im correct, but id just apt-get install smbfs && mount -t smbfs //computer/folder
05:13.14Sonnycheal. I just installed Samba and set a directory shared.... so how can I access to it?
05:13.15dondelelcarouseruser: wiat, the block device is write protected?
05:13.19arsen@ wherever ;x
05:13.27dondelelcarothat's freaky.
05:13.34useruserdondelelcaro: not all of it - just one partition
05:13.35aaron_200001Sonny - Do you have kde installed on the computer you want to share files on
05:13.49useruserdondelelcaro: i have swap and /home separate on the same disk, and they're ok
05:13.53dondelelcarouseruser: /dev/hda1 should be rw-rw---
05:14.09chealarsen: as I just said, and detailed by arsen
05:14.09useruserbrw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 1 2006-02-03 17:12 /dev/hda1
05:14.30useruserlooks good to me, dunno what mount is going on about
05:14.30dondelelcarouseruser: check dmesg to see what the kernel is saying about the device...
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05:14.43arsenalthough im not sure if you were after sharing files on debian, or accessing windows shares in debian?:x
05:14.49Sonnyaaron_200001: I have gnome
05:15.14useruserdondelelcaro: uh oh
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05:15.26useruserdondelelcaro: it's saying "your disk is dying"
05:15.30rolerhow do I get the dimensions or whatever you call them to use for a synaptics touchpad?
05:16.20dondelelcarouseruser: yeah, that could be it.
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05:16.50useruserEXT3-fs error (device hda1): ext3_journal_start_sb: Detected aborted journal
05:17.11useruserfollowing various crc errors and drive status errors
05:17.23useruser:-(
05:19.32dondelelcarouseruser: wee.
05:19.53dondelelcarouseruser: my best suggestion is to backup anything on that drive that needs to be backed up...
05:20.06NakkoHow can I turn off the system speaker?
05:20.29NakkoOther than unplugging it from the motherboard, I suppose it's useful for "no video" beeps and such.
05:21.16dondelelcaroNakko: I assume you want the bell off?
05:21.21dondelelcaro!bell
05:21.21dpkg[bell] "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console .  For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode.  "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions.  See also <shell beep>.  or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc
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05:22.00NakkoYeah
05:22.30NakkoCool. Thanks.
05:22.58JochenAI recompiled imagemagick for my server to remove all dependencies that pull in X11&friends. This was quite easy because it is using configure and I just added the right options to the rules file. Now it seems with php4-imagick that is not that easy. There is only a config.m4 and a makefile and I have no idea what to do. Deleted some 'random entries' in the rules file but the .deb still has all the original dependencies. Anyone got experie
05:22.58JochenAnce with such a setup?
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05:23.18veamoshey. I want to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to set up my nvidia video card, so.. it xserver-xfree96 gives me an "nv" option, is it nvidia?
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05:23.45dondelelcaroJochenA: uh... you realise that imagemagick really doesn't depend on X?
05:23.50despayrefmutil: config file 'fmutil.cnf' not found.... now what?  :)
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05:24.20Nakkoveamos: that's the "free" nv driver for NVidia cards
05:24.31despayreerr, that's fmtutil of  course, not fmutil...
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05:24.51NakkoNVidia's own driver will also run your NVidia card, but with its acceleration and such intact
05:25.01veamosso wich is the best way to configure my nvidia video card?
05:25.06arsenveamos  whatcha wana do is get hold of the source & headers for kernel, link them & then run the nvidia driver (from official site) which should compile you a kernel to use :)
05:25.07JochenAdondelelcaro: it depends on packages that eventually pull in X. I got imagemagick itself installed the way I want, as I said it was easy to recompile the way I wanted. But the php4-imagick source package works different. Another config-scheme
05:25.44dondelelcaroJochenA: no, it doesn't do that either.
05:26.14dondelelcaroJochenA: xfree86-common != X.
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05:26.55UziMasterI just plugged in a second NIC, how do i tell debian to support it?
05:27.01despayreI tried fmtutil-sys  --all  that didn't work either...
05:27.15despayresame error... with edit too
05:27.23JochenAdondelelcaro: okok, but still pulls in alot of packages which will never get used. Most X-related. I justed called those X i suppose.
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05:27.43ginghi
05:27.59despayreanyone know where fmtutil.cnf is supposed to be? if I create a dummy file there, will it fill in the blanks with fmtuil-sys --all?
05:28.34UziMasterI just plugged in a second NIC, how do i tell debian to support it?
05:29.52despayrewoah woah, if you all talk at once, how am I supposed to follow you?!  :)
05:29.58dondelelcaroJochenA: it pulls in a lot of libraries, many of which are really only required for display, but some of which you want if you want to support some of the X specific graphic types... in the end, it's going to be far easier just to use the stable packages and live with the few extra megabytes that get pulled in.
05:30.42despayreq
05:30.56despayremode
05:31.10dondelelcaroJochenA: otherwise, you'll have to mogrify the php4-imagick configure call, and track any security updates for php4 and imagemagick... of which there will likely be more of
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05:33.57JochenAdondelelcaro: I've been doing this for imagemagick for quite a while. Its not too difficult. PBuilder and a backup of rules makes that a matter of minutes.
05:34.26chealarsen: I doubt he'd want to do that
05:34.47despayreq
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05:35.09ftdespayre: trouble with your client?
05:35.13despayreso no one knows about fmtutil.cnf?  any clues where I can look? I've looked around some already, no luck
05:35.21despayrefmutil: config file 'fmutil.cnf' not found.... now what?  :)
05:35.24arsenused to work for me on xfree ;x otherwise dpkg @ nvidia-graphics-drivers
05:35.25despayreya, that :)
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05:35.33despayrefmtutil, not fmutil
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05:35.39ariel_i had a question
05:36.05ariel_i was trying to install debian and it said that my hard drive was disconnected and that it couldn't install
05:36.28ariel_i have an hp pavillion a1314n with amd 64
05:36.49despayreft, any thoughts?
05:37.08ariel_but when i tried to install ubuntu it recognized everything
05:37.12systemadmini did a dist upgrade in testing, and i recompiles fglrx due to x seemd broke, so i did a depmod -ae on it, i see it in lsmod but when i log at the x log file it cant find the module.. any ideas?
05:37.13ariel_any help?
05:37.45ftdespayre: I'm no tex guru... fmtutil.cnf is supposed to be in tetex-bin, though
05:38.11dondelelcaroJochenA: anyway, assuming you've set up imagemagick's shlibdeps file properly, and you're configuring against it properly, then it should pull the proper depends for php-imagick and link against the proper version of libimagemagick.
05:38.22despayrewon't install tetex-bin, because it calls fmtutil-sys, which can't find fmtutil.cnf
05:38.40dondelelcaroJochenA: this of course requires that you have the proper version of the imagemagick package installed in the pbuilder, with the right -dev file built as well.
05:39.03dondelelcaro(you should also fix the build-depends so that whatever X libraries you don't like are not installed.)
05:39.06ftdespayre: is that a sarge system you are using?
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05:39.32dondelelcarodespayre: what does alias; output?
05:40.18dondelelcaros/neak/ink/
05:40.34systemadminanyone run into this on a dist upgrade yet?
05:40.46despayredondelelcaro, nothing relevant... some colour, rm, and cp commands
05:40.57despayreft... working on upgrade to unstable...
05:41.12deadcatno one here uses diff icon themes for gtk apps?
05:41.51dondelelcarodespayre: I want to see the whole output.
05:42.37chealsystemadmin: consider pasting the actual error
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05:42.55despayredonde... one sec... I'll throw it to a pastebin...
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05:43.54systemadmincheal : the erros says cannot load module fglrx ( module doesnt exist,0) no devices detected
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05:44.46systemadmincheal : no screens found
05:44.49chealsystemadmin: and $ lsmod|grep fglrx; outputs something?
05:45.11fusionHi, I was wondering if someone would know about how much bandwidth a net install of debian sarge would use, with just the basic stuff plus KDE?
05:45.45systemadmincheal : fglrx                 424448  0
05:45.45systemadminagpgart                33224  2 fglrx,intel_agp
05:45.57systemadminits there
05:46.00dondelelcarodespayre: thanks
05:46.19chealsystemadmin: hum. try asking #ati
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05:46.55freebsefusion: all bandwith you got depending on the ftp-server speed... :) ... about 600MB
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05:47.27despayredonde http://channels.debian.net/paste/1896
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05:48.30dondelelcarodespayre: get rid of the which and where aliases
05:48.48dondelelcaro(and probably also the rm and mv ones)
05:48.54despayrehow do I do that?
05:49.13dondelelcarodespayre: unalias where; unalias which;
05:49.31dondelelcarodespayre: and try again
05:49.42despayreok...removed... tryin again..
05:49.46dondelelcaro(you may need to remove them from your ~/.bashrc if that's where you're setting them.)
05:50.45dondelelcaro(or if you've got BASH_ENV set for some reason)
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05:51.11despayreahh, didn't check that... but ran it again, same problem... I'll check there..
05:51.45dondelelcarodespayre: ok; there still may be another problem, but aliases for things like grep and which are generally not a good idea.
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05:52.00dondelelcaroesp. when the alias causes totally different functionality from the actual command
05:52.49despayremakes sense... nothin in .bashrc and no BASH_ENV set
05:53.34dondelelcaroand nothing in .bash_profile et al?
05:54.03despayrenope
05:54.27despayrehmmm, should fmtutil.cnf be on my path? it does exist, but it's not in my path...
05:55.15dondelelcarodespayre: it should be here: /usr/share/tetex-bin/fmtutil.cnf
05:55.42despayrethat's where it is
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05:56.45dondelelcarodespayre: and the tetex-base postinst is failing?
05:57.09despayreno, tetex-base installed fine, it's tetex-bin that fails
05:57.30dondelelcarodespayre: ok, add a set -x to the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/tetex-bin.postinst under the shebang line
05:57.31despayreand I can see the file in the dir, but when I try emacs fmtutil.cnf it tells me it's a new file...
05:57.38dagbrownNow this is a discgrace.
05:57.47dagbrownThere's no package for the Mika-chan font!
05:57.59dagbrownhttp://mikachan.sourceforge.jp/linux.html
05:58.18dondelelcaro!+info ttf-mikachan
05:58.20dpkgttf-mikachan: (handwritten Japanese Truetype font), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 9.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8432 kB, Installed size: 11660 kB
05:58.30dondelelcarodagbrown: next?
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05:58.50_slashhi guys
05:58.56_slashI have problem
05:59.08hpcdhi, there is a line of code that changes my screen resolution... -->  855resolution 5a 1280 800  where can i put this to run everytime my computer starts
05:59.13_slashcan't start apache... missing apache2.conf
05:59.15dondelelcarodagbrown: then dpkg --configure -a; and give me the last couple lines of output.
05:59.22dondelelcaro_slash: apache2 I presume?
05:59.28dagbrownIt didn't turn up when I apt-cache searched for "mika-chan"!  Hmpf
05:59.31_slashhow do I get fresh apache2.conf?
05:59.34dondelelcaro!tell _slash -about confmiss
05:59.46hpcdif i downloaded a debian package where do i put it so i can apt install it
06:00.02_slashapt-get install apache2 php5 php5-mysql
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06:00.15_slashand when I started apache.. its says missing that config file
06:00.23dondelelcaro_slash: use the command that dpkg just told you to reinstall apache2-common.
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06:00.33_slasherr..
06:00.34dondelelcarohpcd: anywhere, then dpkg -i foopkg.deb;
06:00.50fthpcd: /etc/default/855resolution, i think 855resolution has a startup skript already
06:01.00_slashhow do I run dpkg? hehe
06:01.16dondelelcaro_slash: dpkg the bot. it /msg'ed you about confmiss. Use that command.
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06:01.53KizmetAnyone that uses the ftp.au.deban.org package mirror should be warned that its transfer rate is currently 81 B/s
06:02.46dondelelcaroKizmet: if you're not in .au, that's probably normal.
06:02.54dondelelcaroKizmet: they use really wierd rate limiting to specific ip blocks...
06:02.55Kizmeti am in AU ;)
06:03.12Kizmetdondelelcaro, I usually get a good 200 KB's from it :)
06:03.21dondelelcaroheh. well, perhaps they now think you live in .nz
06:03.23fusionsometimes if your ISP obtains new IPs those places havent set them in their lists
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06:03.35fusionlike im in nz
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06:03.42fusionand my isp got the entire 60.234 block
06:03.44KizmetMy ISP has had these IP's for uhm.... 4 years now :)
06:03.50dedalo_!seen dvm
06:03.50dpkgdvm <n=david@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 18d 16h 36m 51s ago, saying: 'valdyn: So i wait that he has finished to buil the kernel again'.
06:03.55dedalo_!seen dvm1981
06:03.56dpkgdvm1981 is currently on #debian (7h 22m 14s).  Has said a total of 1 messages.  Is idling for 3h 36m 21s
06:03.59fusionand for a while there were so many sites that wouldnt let me use their ftp
06:04.01fusionahh lol
06:04.02despayrethat's where it is/help
06:04.07dvm1981Yes ?
06:04.07despayreoops :)
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06:04.23dedalo_dvm1981, hey man, i´ m dominicano
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06:04.47dvm1981How are you man ? ;-) going in private msg ?
06:04.47hpcdapt-cache search rcconf can't find the package
06:04.48hpcdwhat is the package name for rcconf
06:04.54hpcdhelp, i downloaded http://packages.debian.org/stable/source/rcconf  the debian package. now where do  i put it to run it
06:05.08dondelelcaro!+info rcconf
06:05.14dominicanodvm1981, which channel?
06:05.15dpkgrcconf: (Debian Runlevel configuration tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.17 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 112 kB
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06:05.18dondelelcarohpcd: ^^^
06:05.42despayreexit
06:05.58dominicanodvm1981, where were you ?
06:06.04dvm1981dominicano: In a private channel, when cliking on a name on the right side of Chat with the right mouse button
06:06.10despayreq
06:06.18dvm1981s/chat/xchat
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06:06.19dondelelcarodespayre: you want /quit
06:06.29despayresorry, donde, I lost it up there... where in the file do I put that set \-x?
06:06.33despayre(set -x)
06:06.36dvm1981dominicano: Have you register you're nick on Freenode ?
06:06.46dondelelcarodespayre: underneath the #! line.
06:06.55despayretnx...
06:07.03dominicanodvm1981, i haven´t
06:07.13dominicanodvm1981, i gonna do this
06:07.16peterSdondelelcaro: cool
06:07.24peterSvery cool, even
06:07.34grmlmy old hd made some scary noises so i decided to change the disks and copies the whole hd with tar | netcat to an other. every went just fine including the md5sums. and finally i installed grub [root (hd0,0); setup (hd0)] but if choose the new hd as boot device nothing happens.... not even operating system not found.
06:07.40Kizmet!+lighttpd
06:07.48dvm1981dominicano: You must register one to have access to it, really easy to do. Go to the site of FreeNode to know more about it ;-)
06:07.48grmlany ideas what this could be??
06:07.58Kizmet!+infolighttpd
06:08.01Kizmet!+info lighttpd
06:08.03Kizmet*bah*
06:08.05dpkglighttpd: (A fast webserver with minimal memory footprint), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4.10-3 (sid), Packaged size: 280 kB, Installed size: 736 kB
06:08.20dvm1981dominicano: And ... Nice he Debian GNU/Linux :-)
06:08.25peterShow do you pronounce lighttpd?
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06:08.37KizmetpeterS, LightTPD
06:08.48KizmetpeterS, most people call it 'Lighty'
06:08.50Kizmetheh
06:08.50peterSKizmet: see, I've been saying Lig Httpd
06:09.00dominicanodvm1981, : )
06:09.32pabs3dvm1981 / dominicano: how about you both join #dvm1981-dominicano and set it to +i?
06:09.45dvm1981dominicano: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
06:10.20dominicanopabs3, how about yo do shut?
06:10.42dominicanopabs3, i´m trying to register mi nick
06:10.56dvm1981pabs3: Done, just that last one +i that i not understand :-/
06:11.49pabs3+i = invite only
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06:12.18vultureor on a nick: identified
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06:12.40dvm1981pabs3: Interesting in what you say, just i not understand it completely. I have join the '/join #dvm1981-dominicano'. But how to change the mode of it ?
06:12.48despayredonde, no change... same error, fmtutil.cnf not found
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06:16.02Azarisn't there an "ircd help"?
06:16.35Azarnope there isn't
06:17.29dvm1981pabs3: You must learn me ho to create an private room when my friend are there.
06:18.19jetscreamer/msg chanserv help
06:18.21jimb0is there a shell command to parse output in the format "(text)" and remove parenthesis such that you end up with "text"
06:18.23jimb0?
06:18.41jimb0i suppose i could ask #linux, but whatever.
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06:18.43Phatedsed?
06:18.53jimb0ill man that i guess.
06:19.09Azardvm1981: "teach me" sounds better
06:19.44Kizmetwork ?
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06:20.07Phatedsed -e 's/[()]//g' filename should work.
06:20.56dvm1981pabs3: Really thanks man, a glas beer ? Local it's 07:22 AM :-/ Or take it for this afternoon ;-)
06:21.57pabs3!beersmite pabs3
06:22.00pabs3:D
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06:23.55grmlany ideas why i still can't boot after installing grub? and getting a black screen - no grub menu, no operating system found, no error beeps, nothing....
06:25.28jm_how did you install it?
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06:26.22grmljm_, going into grub shell; root (hd0,0) and then setup (hd0) and setup (hd0,0) just in case.
06:26.28dondelelcaropeterS: there's something marvelous about 70K
06:26.42grmljm_, also set the boot flag for hda1 with fdisk.
06:26.47peterSdondelelcaro: 70K?  I thought it was over 100.  shows how much I know
06:26.52tarzeau!popcon
06:26.52dpkgi guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
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06:27.04tarzeauconcept10: hi
06:27.16tarzeauconcept10: gnustep's much faster than gnome or kde
06:27.21AzarDesktop programs such as iTunes, RealPlayer, and even the security-conscious Firefox now account for more than 60 percent of serious vulnerabilities
06:27.24jimb0Phated: thanks man ill try that
06:27.32tarzeauconcept10: and it doesn't need half of the memory gnome or kde needs
06:27.40Azarcrap cheap quick software
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06:27.41dondelelcaropeterS: it boils at 77K...
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06:27.44jm_grml: how about grub-install /dev/hda? I will be back in about 10-15 minutes if non-one else can help
06:28.07peterSPhated: yeah, man, you rock, man
06:28.08mcmjm_, ok. thanks you very much.
06:28.31jimb0Phated: you are the man
06:28.32concept10tarzeau, thanks I will install it tonight and give it a shot
06:28.32jimb0that works.
06:28.45peterSjimb0: she's not literally the man, btw
06:28.56SonnyHello, I like to copy some files from one PC to another.. should I use samba to do that?
06:29.01Phatedjimb0: Woman.
06:29.03tarzeauconcept10: great. sarge or sid?
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06:29.09dondelelcarothe WOman.
06:29.10PhatedpeterS: Sod off, ya :)
06:29.23Phated'ello, dondelelcaro.
06:29.37concept10tarzeau, testing
06:29.43tarzeauconcept10: uh oh
06:29.46tarzeauconcept10: forget it
06:29.51tarzeauconcept10: you'll need sarge or sid
06:29.52tnksDoes the Debian Policy address use of the LSB init-functions in init.d scripts?
06:30.01tarzeauconcept10: you can't run gnustep in testing i think
06:30.14peterStnks: Policy doesn't mandate them, but you can use them if you want
06:30.19concept10tarzeau, I guess Im going to have to move to sid, I just upgraded to testing
06:30.37Phatedo.O
06:30.37tarzeauconcept10: in sid, know that gnumail stuff is stuck in debian new queue, all the rest is fine
06:30.41dondelelcarotnks: not yet, but it probably will eventually.
06:30.56tnkspeterS: is there any documentation regarding convention if it's not a requirement?
06:31.05Azarhi miss Phated :)
06:31.09PhatedHello, Azar.
06:31.16dondelelcarotnks: see policy 9.3 for details.
06:31.29tnksdondelelcaro: thanks.
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06:33.45concept10tarzeau, okay, thanks
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06:34.35tarzeauconcept10: also check #gnustep
06:35.50MeanGreeni installed a new cd-r/dvd combo drive, and the kernel recognizies it, how do i mount the device?
06:36.31EclipserMeanGreen, do you know its /dev node?
06:36.45Phateddmesg | grep hd ?
06:37.07MeanGreennot off hand, is there an app in kde that will let me check?
06:37.13MeanGreenor in console?
06:37.19Eclipserwhat Phated said
06:37.24peterSMeanGreen: or, grep . /proc/ide/hd?/media
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06:37.48MeanGreenokay, let me try real quick
06:37.49peterSMeanGreen: it'll tell you about hda, hdb, hdc, etc., and whether they are "disk" or "cdrom"
06:37.59PhatedIndeed.
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06:39.47deadcatPhated: damn. using a new file manager instead of rox-filer (=
06:39.57stonedi don't know if anyone cares, but i finally configured my multimedia keyboard using 'keytouch', hotkeys, xev, xmodmap etc. are hard to configure, this thing makes it really easy
06:40.07Phateddeadcat: Which? How is it?
06:40.27deadcatPhated: thunar. not bad so far. very alpha though.
06:40.33stonedoh man
06:40.41Phatedthunar? Sounds interesting.
06:40.41stonedcan't wait for new xfce/thunar etc.
06:40.53peterSEclipser: even winfile.exe?
06:40.56deadcatPhated: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/thunar.png
06:40.59stonedEclipser, dream on, because good is a very relative term
06:41.09Eclipserstoned, indeed
06:41.20EclipserpeterS, wasn't that in like win3.11 or something? :)
06:41.22deadcatEclipser: its simple, doesnt have fancy shits.
06:41.24peterSEclipser: yep
06:41.37PhatedNot bad.
06:41.45Eclipserdeadcat, I prefer to do most stuff in just plain old bash
06:41.46peterSEclipser: and NT 4.  it didn't go away, at least for awhile, but nobody noticed that it was still around because they were all using windows explorer
06:41.50deadcatEclipser: fucking rox-filer actually execute my script when i accidently double clicked on it )=
06:41.57jetscreamerit still comes with w2k and maybe xp i dunno never checked
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06:42.04jetscreamerprogman.exe for vista
06:42.10EclipserpeterS, I think I found it in win98se at some point
06:42.11peterSjetscreamer: hehe
06:42.21Eclipserdeadcat, heh
06:42.21deadcatEclipser: ya. file manager is good for watching movies and selecting certain files to move in a huge ass dir. but thats about it.
06:42.34jimb0how do you change permission on an executable so that only root can run it?
06:42.37PhatedWatching movies?
06:42.39jetscreamerand recursively applying permissions
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06:42.45peterSjimb0: chmod go-x
06:42.47MeanGreenhey, thanks guys, appreciate it
06:42.48jetscreamerand mounting things
06:42.51jimb0i'm assuming it's some chmod ### <file>
06:42.52peterSjimb0: and 'chown root', to make sure root owns the file
06:42.55deadcatjetscreamer: i can do that from the command line easier.
06:42.56jetscreamerand opening files for editing
06:42.59Phatedjimb0: chown root:root file , chmod go-x file.
06:42.59Eclipserjimb0, chown root.root file; chmod go-x file
06:43.07jimb0hahah
06:43.10jimb0nice
06:43.14peterSat least we all agree
06:43.15jimb0do i have to do both commands?
06:43.17jimb0:p
06:43.18PhatedYes.
06:43.23PhatedpeterS: For once :)
06:43.23peterSjimb0: if the file is already owned by root, then you don't need the chown
06:43.24jimb0okay, thanks
06:43.28Eclipserfirst changes its owner ship and group to root
06:43.30deadcati like the black guy in the properties when i do that in thunar (=
06:43.32jetscreameri wouldn't go with root.root
06:43.35jimb0do i have to be root to change the permission as such?
06:43.41jetscreameror use sudo
06:43.45peterSjimb0: you have to be the owner of the file
06:43.49deadcatunder permissions, owner hahahah.
06:43.50jetscreamerunless you own it already
06:43.54peterSjimb0: since we already said it has to be root, that means you have to be root
06:43.55jimb0right, right now i own it as non-root
06:44.05jetscreamertry
06:44.09jetscreamerthen try sudo or su
06:44.17peterSjimb0: well, if you do chmod go-x it means nobody except the owner can execute it
06:44.19jimb0i can login as root and doing it, just wondering if i had to be root, but yeah ill just do it both weays and see.
06:44.26deadcatPhated: seen the screenshot?
06:44.27jimb0ya.
06:44.33Phateddeadcat: Yeah, it looks good.
06:44.34peterSjimb0: root overrides this.  but the owner still has permission, which you said you did not want - that's why you want to chown root
06:44.44EclipserpeterS, assuming that there's u=x :)
06:44.53peterSEclipser: yes, yes
06:44.57deadcatPhated: its the theme. default was so ugly. since i didnt have an icon theme for gtk2
06:45.09PhatedI see.
06:45.35Eclipserdeadcat, screenie? where?
06:45.51deadcatEclipser: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/thunar.png
06:45.59deadcatthats thunar
06:46.07deadcatlet me screenshot crapass rox (=
06:46.11Eclipseraha :p
06:46.36Eclipserwhat's wrong with `ls` :p
06:46.36deadcatEclipser: change thunar to rox
06:46.55deadcatEclipser: like i said. i use it to watch movie so i dont have to tab my way through hella shits.
06:47.06AzarCedega a semi-proprietary program enables games that use to run in Windows only to work on linux desktops as well: Civilization IV, FIFA06 and Need for Speed are the latest games added
06:47.13Eclipserdeadcat, heh
06:47.43deadcatEclipser: there are few very useful usage for a gui file manager.. for lazy people like me
06:48.06EclipserI just use X to have multiple terminals open at the same time :p
06:48.17Eclipser(so that I can see them all at the same time)
06:48.23deadcatEclipser: then use SCREEN
06:48.31deadcatand no mroe X for ya
06:48.48deadcatEclipser: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/screen/
06:48.52Eclipser80x24 is a bit small for having multiple shells :p
06:49.09deadcatEclipser: framebuffer (=
06:49.13Eclipsereww
06:49.26ftor another vesa mode
06:49.31peterSyeah 80x24 or 80x25 are ghetto, everyone uses svgatextmode or framebuffer nowadays
06:49.41EclipserI don't actually
06:49.46Eclipsermy console is 80x24
06:49.55Eclipseror was it 25
06:49.59Eclipserwhatever
06:50.06peterSEclipser: VGA text consoles are 80x25 or 80x50
06:50.18Eclipser25 then :p
06:50.18peterSEclipser: Apple II text consoles are 40x24 or 80x24
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06:50.33Eclipser:)
06:50.42deadcatEclipser: and you on ubuntu dapper ?
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06:50.50Eclipserdeadcat, no...
06:50.58deadcatwell somebody is.! (=
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06:51.03Eclipserlast time I tried framebuffer it screwed up everything
06:51.08deadcatspeak up dammit
06:51.16jm_mcm: got it working?
06:51.18Azarnot me not me
06:51.25mcmjm_: indeed.
06:51.28mcmjm_: it worked fine. thank you sooo much for your help!
06:51.28concept10me!
06:51.31deadcatand a windows user too.
06:51.36concept10heh
06:51.44Eclipserdeadcat, fine fine, I admit... I use windows!
06:51.46deadcatall i need is a ppc user to visit that link
06:51.50sinaduelI have a quickcam express, and I would like a linux driver, where might I find such driver?
06:52.09Eclipserdeadcat, I'm at work so I'm using windows :p
06:52.11concept10deadcat, my testing box is compiling something :)
06:52.16mcmjm_: the only thing that i forgot was giving /tmp the right permissions. and so everything seems to be fine.
06:52.22deadcatEclipser: sure you are! (=
06:52.27Eclipserno, really
06:52.40concept10deadcat, youre looking at the logs ?  heh
06:52.44mcmand no more old cripled car noised from hd....
06:53.00Eclipserdeadcat, got windows from 193.211.4.77 ?
06:53.04deadcatconcept10: root-tail on my bottom left (=
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06:53.18dondelelcarohttp://channels.debian.net/paste/1897
06:53.25deadcat137.226.97.3 ya
06:53.26concept10heh! thats funny
06:53.44deadcattahts why i LOVE root-tail as well.
06:54.00Eclipserhm
06:54.06deadcatconcept10: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20060120_24392.png bottom left
06:54.22concept10so you can tail -f if someone is ubuntu trolling on your server? :)
06:54.39deadcatthis is my useragent: I_DIDNT_TOUCH_YOUR_WIFE_DAMMIT
06:55.07deadcatconcept10: haha. i guess so. i am seeing lots of that stupid php attacks lately
06:55.08concept10I need to change that
06:55.18deadcatand the \099\099 craps
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06:56.26Azarwow "make" at the firing squad wall
06:56.39deadcatmy .gtkrc-2.0 is getting better
06:56.41kinnieheyo, i have a question, i just got a new adsl 2+ modem, a billion 7402vgp, so now i dont need the dhcp thingo from debian linux. but i dont know how to stop it because my bro is the computer dude but now he doesnt live with me
06:56.50concept10ok, I havent been answering the phone when this certain girl calls, and she came over my house about an hour ago and I didnt answer the door, am i a bad person?
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06:56.50Azarhttp://freshmeat.net/articles/view/1702/
06:56.57kinniedhcpd thing
06:57.17kinniei tried doing this, /etc/init.d/dhcpd stop
06:57.23kinniebut it didnt work
06:57.24Eclipserconcept10, no
06:57.33deadcati use udhcpd. seems smaller (=
06:57.34Eclipserconcept10, girls are evil
06:57.49kinnielol shush! but how do i stop it
06:57.53deadcatconcept10: thats fucked up (=
06:57.54sinaduelplease help me, I want to find a driver for Quickcam express
06:58.01deadcatconcept10: you owe her $ ? (=
06:58.23deadcatsinaduel: dont have driver for that one. out of luck. try the 3000 or the 4000. they use pwc
06:58.25concept10deadcat, no, she annoys me on _purpose_
06:58.30deadcatdamn
06:58.35kinnielol
06:58.51kinnieso does anyone know how to stop the dhcpd thing?
06:58.56kinniewhat is a dhcpd anyway
06:58.59Azarconcept10: if you take a girly issue at heart you are not serious
06:59.05deadcatkinnie: dhcpd daemon
06:59.12kinnie...
06:59.14deadcatkinnie: /etc/init.d/dhcpd stop
06:59.26Eclipser!girls
06:59.26dpkgwhat runs the pool system and testing and various other parts of the debian distribution. read about them at http://cvs.debian.org/dak/docs/README.names?rev=1.22&cvsroot=dak&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
06:59.27kinnieill try it again
06:59.31concept10deadcat, for example, trying to wake me up, with her cell phone on speakerphone listening to voice mails, knowing that i would get mad
07:00.02Eclipserconcept10, she likes you
07:00.07Eclipserconcept10, you better run
07:00.11deadcatconcept10: damn that IS fucked up. i hate when people wake me up. i dont care who. i will get mad.. and i dont fucking forget.
07:00.24Eclipserdeadcat, from the dead?
07:00.30kinnielol
07:00.35kinniehmm. it says bash: /etc/init.d/dhcpd: No such file or directory
07:00.54kinniei use putty to talk with my server, i use windows xp
07:00.56kinniewhatever putty is
07:00.57kinnielol
07:01.00deadcatkinnie: you using debian?
07:01.03kinnienope
07:01.06concept10deadcat, well we have something in common, I hate it too when people wake me up.
07:01.06kinniewell my server is
07:01.13deadcatkinnie: killall dhcpd -9
07:01.21kinniewhats that do?
07:01.29deadcatkinnie: but dhcpd SHOULD have a init script
07:01.29Eclipserkills dhcpd by force
07:01.35deadcatkinnie: that kills the motherfucker
07:01.47kinniehow do i copy and paste in this mIRC program?
07:01.48kinniehahahaha
07:01.50kinnietruef
07:02.01deadcatah
07:02.04deadcatthats the one.
07:02.07deadcati use udhcpd now
07:02.21deadcatdont fucking tell me to !tell me about enter (=
07:02.26Eclipser:p
07:02.27kinniewhy? whats the difference?
07:02.32kinnieerr
07:02.38kinnieit didnt nothing, i thikn
07:02.41kinniewhen i did killall
07:02.43deadcatkinnie: they all work. i just figure udhcpd is smaller (=
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07:02.54kinniesmaller in filesize?
07:02.59deadcatkinnie: i think so.
07:03.04kinnieword
07:03.15kinniewait i take it because nothing came up, it worked as in i stopped it
07:03.21EclipserI don't think it matters that much on modern computers :p
07:03.24deadcatand easier.. just like 5 lines of config
07:03.25kinnienothing meaning, it went onto the next line of text
07:03.30Eclipserunless you have 50~100MB HD? :)
07:03.32kinnieare you all running on debian?
07:03.45deadcatkinnie: no i am running windows
07:03.49deadcatthe new version
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07:03.56kinnievista?
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07:04.04deadcatkinnie: and i am talking in #debian with the new windows version
07:04.12kinnieyeah u mean vista?
07:04.14concept10kinnie, I enjoy the stability of Win98SE over here
07:04.16kinnieor whatever its called
07:04.17deadcatkinnie: no clue
07:04.18kinniehahahahahaha
07:04.25Eclipserwin98se rocks
07:04.26Eclipserreally
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07:04.36kinnieman concept 10, i miss win98se, because it could play all my games
07:04.41kinnielike shane warne cricket 99
07:04.45sinaduelcan wine use drivers?
07:04.45deadcatEclipser: it does. since all the exploits are toward xp or 2k (=
07:04.50Eclipser:)
07:04.50kinniei was in tears with windows 2000
07:05.00deadcatsinaduel: no. get a new cam. that one sucks
07:05.19kinnieokay right ill explain my setup and see if u can help me
07:05.25concept10kinnie, well you shouldnt have upgraded from 98se to 2000, it is different OS
07:05.27sinaduelI would love to, but the reason I have Linux is because it was free
07:06.05Eclipsersinaduel, did you try gPhoto?
07:06.14sinaduelgPhoto?
07:06.20deadcatEclipser: ah. never thought of gphoto do webcam .. nice
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07:06.43sinaduelthankyou
07:06.46deadcatsinaduel: well whats the company has to do with linux.
07:06.50concept10I wish gphoto did my disposable digital camera
07:07.03deadcatif they share their code it will work. but since they dont. you're out of luck.
07:07.06kinniei am on adsl 2+, with an old asdl1 modem with only 1 port, so what my bro did was get a server, and put the ethernet into it, and 1 going out to a 8 port router, i got 3 computers on it. now i just killed dhcp thing i think so can i crank in the new modem and plug all the computers and server into it and be fine?
07:07.06Eclipsersinaduel, it might or might not work :p
07:07.08concept10I soldered on a USB connector
07:07.22kinnieor do i just have the 1 ethernet still to the server, which goes out to the router
07:07.33deadcatsinaduel: linux drivers are written by regular people.. NOT from companies.
07:07.43sinadueloh
07:07.47karstendeadcat: ... frequently but not always.
07:07.53sinadueldamn my inability to write drivers
07:07.54deadcatsinaduel: ya. and free is freedom of speech.
07:07.59deadcatkarsten: he get the idea (=
07:08.02dannypconcept10: ah, you know, I've seen (and briefly used) one of those
07:08.11dannypconcept10: didn't get a chance to play with it extensively.  what does linux see it as?
07:08.13kinnieso any ideas?
07:08.20deadcatsinaduel: for that webcam? not worth it.
07:08.32deadcatkarsten: seen the xgl demo? man crazy mofo
07:08.34Eclipsersinaduel, www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=Quickcam+express+linux
07:08.47sinadueldeadcat: Saddley it's the only cam I have, and I don't have the money for a new one
07:08.48karstendeadcat: ??
07:08.50deadcatEclipser: his webcam dont work. the express dont work.
07:08.54concept10dannyp, linux doesnt see the one I have.  I need to do something with the framework
07:08.57karstendeadcat: Is that the novel desktop video?
07:09.02deadcatkarsten: ya.
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07:09.25karstendeadcat: Right.  Slick, yeah.  Useful?  Um.  Lemme get back to you.
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07:09.32sinaduelwow, I am in for a lot of learning
07:09.34concept10deadcat, its bad ass to me.  Hooray for linux, copy some stuff, innovate more
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07:09.36deadcatkarsten: gravity is working on 7.0 after that hes gonna work on xgl and compiz.. but i will have to wait for glxcompmgr since i want to use openbox
07:09.53Azarwhat is sdk? re: a game
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07:09.56kinnie\me is confused
07:10.00deadcatEclipser: webcam+motion= security camera
07:10.10concept10Eclipser, you must never met someone who wanted to see dick on cam
07:10.13kinnieyesss good old learning how to get irc to crank
07:10.16Azartarzeau?
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07:10.28sinadueldeadcat: Yah, I use mine a lot to watch for people
07:10.29karstenAzar: software developer kit, usually.
07:10.31kinniehis*
07:10.52Azarthank you karsten.. I guess tarzeau is not around I found an interesting game
07:10.58kinnieanyway, should i just leave the old system to be, or plug them all into the new modem
07:11.00AzarPlaneShift
07:11.01deadcatsinaduel: ya... very cool.
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07:12.30Eclipseris planeshift playable yet?
07:12.38Eclipserlast time I tried it, it bugged like hell
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07:15.38andym|sonyapt-get install of a package is trying to remove a package i don't want it to... is there a way around this?
07:16.16jetscreamergee you could put it on hold...
07:16.26andym|sonyoh hey you again :)
07:16.28jetscreameror don't install it.
07:16.29jetscreamer:)
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07:16.40Azaryumm chromium bsu looks nice
07:16.49soup_can you force a pc to sleep?
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07:18.37ftsoup_: define "sleep".
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07:19.26Azarbah only in testing or unstable..
07:20.23chealer9andym|sony: it depends on the packages in question
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07:21.46Azarits ok I can try amphetamine
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07:23.00deadcatcommon people. we need gtk2-engines to be in version 2.7+
07:23.06andym|sonyinstall of popa3d removes dovecot and vice versa
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07:26.59chealer9andym|sony: use Sarge? is that really a problem?
07:27.08chealer9andym|sony: s/use/using
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07:27.29myrenjeezus, its a freaking slug fest on vm/block_dump
07:27.40myreni wnat my damned system to be quiet and spin down the frakking hd
07:27.46myreneveryone and their mother keeps reading data
07:29.46soup_whats a good pdf reader?
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07:30.34myrenevince or gpdf
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07:30.52myrenxpdf is actually not bad either
07:31.44\amethystI have some problems with evince... i should probably check bts
07:31.48soup_ty
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07:32.50soup_anyone here know how to install debian into a chrooted environment?
07:33.06myrenwtf, these apps are going ape shit!
07:33.14myrennmbd just woke up my fucking hd, what the hell?
07:33.26myrenscreen is flipping out with reads
07:33.26\amethystsoup_: debootstrap
07:34.03\amethystaha, my evince problems are in bts, good
07:34.04chealer9soup_: in Etch, kpdf is impressive
07:34.46soup_\amethyst: ty
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07:38.49despayrehttp://channels.debian.net/paste/1898
07:38.49despayreany thoughts?
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07:48.22Azarwow I can't wait for this game: http://www.entombed.co.uk/
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07:59.14despayrepaste at http://channels.debian.net/paste/1898 any takers?
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08:04.02tarzeaukarsten: do you know what interesting game azar found?
08:04.05tarzeau!seen azar
08:04.05dpkgazar <i=macondo@h-66-166-120-11.lsanca54.covad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 15m 48s ago, saying: 'wow I can't wait for this game: http://www.entombed.co.uk/'.
08:04.10tarzeauaha
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08:17.11hyperstream/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt
08:17.21hyperstreamhmm what do i need to install to get that working?
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08:23.20xamhyperstream: libqt3-mt  and libqt3-mt-dev
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08:24.34hyperstreamthanks
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08:26.09sSergeihi all. I have a question about oss emulation via alsa. My problem - all sounds through /dev/dsp are very load, mixer doesn't change its volume level
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08:26.53hyperstreami dont get this
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08:27.07hyperstreamto install libqt3-mt-dev its removing:  firefox libavahi-qt3-1 libqt3-mt pinentry-qt qt3-assistant qt3-dev-tools
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08:29.29Lukehey all
08:29.48mesaboogie1hey man
08:30.14xamhyperstream: the only thing it conflict with is qt3-assistant
08:30.15ice_1963hay :0)
08:30.49LukeI compiled a custom kernel and when I boot it, I get this: "Bug: scheduling while atomic: IRQ 21/0xsomehex/245" anyone know what this is or how to fix it?
08:31.00Lukemy kernel doesnt boot as a result
08:31.13k1ckn1ckhi i want to make my debian server into a email/pop3 server do you have any recommendations to what spftware i use?
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08:33.15mr_clausi tried to bootstrap sid and got "E: Couldn't download libsigc++-1.2-5c102"
08:33.34xamhyperstream: actually disregard my last sentence ... you should be able to install all of the packages you mentioned
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08:34.22POVaddcthow can i bind the nfs daemon to just one interface?
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08:35.55_slasherm..
08:36.05_slashstill got error
08:36.10hyperstreamoo
08:36.16hyperstreamyeah i had assistant installed
08:36.18hyperstreamthanks :)
08:36.24_slashwhen I open http://localhost/index.php
08:36.37_slashit asked for download
08:36.53_slashwhat is the problem?
08:37.04chealermr_claus: with which debootstrap?
08:37.31karstentarzeau: No idea WRT games.
08:37.43mr_clauschealer: debootstrap of debian sarge
08:37.48wamHi! On a mailserver: Should the reverse-lookup result in the HELO-String? Or is it enough when the HELO-String results in the connection-IP?
08:38.37chealermr_claus: the script must be too old. the package isn't in sid anymore
08:38.38k1ckn1ck_slash u dont have a php server running
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08:38.53karstenwam: RFC 2821
08:39.00wamkarsten: thanks!
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08:39.12mr_clauschealer: so the list of packages is not fetched from the mirror?
08:39.25karstenwam: And generally: HELO includes your email address.
08:39.25LukeI compiled a custom kernel and when I boot it, it fails with this: "Bug: scheduling while atomic: IRQ 21/0xsomehex/245" anyone know what this is or how to fix it?
08:39.31tarzeaukarsten: np, found it in !seen
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08:39.38karstentarzeau: ;-)
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08:40.12hyperstreamomg
08:40.13wamkarsten: ? No. It contains a hostname.
08:40.14hyperstream/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm
08:40.16hyperstream:(
08:40.22chealermr_claus: hum, the list APT fetches must be missing that package since it's not in sid anymore
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08:41.01mr_clauschealer: what the best way to solve it, install debootstrap of debian sid into my sarge?
08:41.42karstenwam:  HELO <SP> <domain> <CRLF>
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08:41.55karstenwam: ... from RFC 821 (precursor to 2821).
08:42.05xamhyperstream: libxxf86vm1 and libxxf86vm1-dev
08:42.05hyperstreamxam,  any idea's on that one ?
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08:42.10mr_clauschealer: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/sid contains the package, i will remove it from the list, do you think thats enough?
08:42.10wamkarsten: I'll have to read that. Thanks again
08:42.11hyperstreamhow do you know that?
08:42.13hyperstreamteach me :P
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08:42.28aeolisthi, i am trying to print a pdf file, but it comes out "negative": white letters on a black background
08:42.32karstenwam: FYI, 'surfraw' includes tools to query a bunch of stuff on CLI including RFCs.
08:42.45hyperstreamE: Couldn't find package libxxf86vm1-dev
08:42.57chealermr_claus: well, there must a reason that package is there, even if it has been replaced
08:43.00karstenaeolist: Take it to an attitude adjustment hour.]
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08:43.35karstenaeolist: Just that PDF, or all of them?  Does it display reversed as well?
08:43.47aeolistall of them
08:44.05xamhyperstream: simple, /msg dpkg find <nameOfLibrary>
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08:44.10karstenaeolist: On another printer?
08:44.15aeolistusing the default gnome pdf viewer... is it xpdf or something?
08:44.24aeolistman, i only have 1 printer
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08:44.30mr_clauschealer: the reason could be a change in sid but no change in debootstrap of sarge, i will take a look into the package information first
08:44.33xamhyperstream: sorry, I meant libxxf86vm-dev
08:44.39aeolisti cant experiment to that level
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08:45.11chealermr_claus: good idea
08:45.18hyperstreamyeah just got it
08:45.26hyperstreamsearching apt-cache
08:45.28hyperstreamthanks so much
08:45.36hyperstreamill try to solve stuff on my own . i hope
08:45.44karstenaeolist: Print to PS and view that (use gv).  What's the display?
08:46.08aeolistalright, sounds like a good idea, let me try it
08:46.34mr_clauschealer: do you know this problem "packages.debian.org is down at the moment due to performance issues"?
08:46.39aeolistactually the software is evince, sorry
08:46.54chealermr_claus: yes...did you look at /topic ?
08:46.55pink1any recommendatons for a really lightweight network monitoring tool that just pings, does alerts and keep a graphical record?
08:47.23karstenpink1: wmnetmon
08:47.30aeolistoh this tickles
08:47.34karstenpink1: ... or mtrg w/ appropriate config.
08:47.50aeolisti printed it with generic postscript and all is sound
08:48.01mr_clauschealer: ah, didn't see that, sry for question
08:48.04pink1karsten: thanks - are they really lightweight pkgs?
08:48.10karstenpink1: http://www.alvie.com/download/wmnetmon/
08:48.27karstenpink1: Hrm.  That appears dead.
08:48.36karstenpink1: ... wmnetmon is a WindowMaker dockapp.
08:49.01pink1karsten: what is mtrg ?
08:49.01karstenpink1: ... mtrg is *the* standard network graphing / monitoring utility.
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08:49.24pink1karsten: but is probably quite heacy - no?
08:49.26ZtaThere's /etc/network/if-up.d/eth0 etc. to allow tasks to be run before and/or each individual network interface up/down.  But is there a directory, where I can place scripts, that should be run every time any interface is brough up/down?  Specificaly, I need to restart my ntpd every time my box comes online with any interface.
08:49.43pink1karsten: I looked at nagios - but too heavy
08:49.45karstenpink1: Define "heavy".  Not particularly.
08:50.05pink1karsten: i have very limited resources
08:50.12jm_Zta: man interfaces
08:50.14pink1I'm on a virtual server
08:50.57Ztajm_, what am I looking for?
08:51.05karstenpink1: mtrg (and Nagios FWIW) split between the monitoring end, which does something to collect datapoints, and the display / services side.  Both should be plenty ligth.
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08:51.11jm_Zta: read it, especially IFACE OPTIONS section
08:51.45mr_clauschealer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=334506 contains the information, it's etch and now sid get the same problem
08:51.47pink1karsten: ok - thanks - I'll look at mtrg
08:51.48Ztajm_, ok, thanks
08:52.27alynxCan someone please help me? When i do dh_make on a package , i get the following error: Source file is a bz2 but bzip2 or gzip not available at /usr/bin/dh_make line 409, <STDIN> line 2. ( and yes , i have installed bzip2)
08:52.46karstenalynx: Install bzip2
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08:53.04xamheh
08:53.06Ztajm_, Um.  I am not looking for a way to tell each interface that it should run a script on "up"; instead I want something that just automagically works on any interface "up".
08:53.31pink1karsten: apt-cache search mtrg produces nothing :-/
08:53.39ftpink1: mrtg
08:53.43karstenZta: /etc/interfaces/ifup.d
08:53.46pink1Ooops
08:53.48chealermr_claus: well, when people say some problem is in testing, you can almost assume it's also in sid. at least in this case.
08:53.51karstenpink1: mrtg
08:53.58jm_Zta: you clearly didn't read it
08:54.03karstenpink1: multi-router traffic graph.  I always get it backwards.
08:54.17pink1lol cool
08:54.24pink1got mit
08:54.29Ztajust making sure.  I'll read it.
08:54.50deadcathmm. where the f is the dwn?
08:54.50karstenxam: You've noticed ;-)
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08:56.24xamkarsten: you try to help too many people at a time ;)
08:56.32michal_does anyone know of any way to download a file off a website while retaining the ability to resume it? i think cookies are used by the website
08:56.44karstenmichal_: wget.  curl.
08:56.52aeolistthansk for all the help btw
08:56.57michal_karsten: couldn't figure out how to do it with either of those
08:56.58karstenmichal_: wget supports cookies if you need to use 'em.
08:57.04karstenmichal_: What error?
08:57.07karsten!tell michal_ about paster
08:57.11michal_karsten: how do i get the actual cookie though?
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08:57.32alynxkarsten: i have installed bzip2 , but i dont think i should mess around in /usr/bin/dh_make :P
08:57.33alynxif thats the problem
08:57.36karstenmichal_: Good question ;-)  I think you might be able to snarf it from another browser.  Eg:  Firefox, Lynx.
08:59.05alynxim trying to make a deb package from a patched wine that works well with World of warcraft.
08:59.14karstenalynx: I think the error is reporting that when _running_ dh_make it can't figure out what to do with a bz2 file.
08:59.27karstenalynx: ... but I could be full of it.
08:59.33hyperstreamalynx,  tried p2p ?
08:59.48Ztajm_, Ok please clarify something for me, as I may have misunderstood; As I read it, in my particular case, I would place restart-ntpd.sh in /etc/network/if-up.d/, right?  I used to think I should place /etc/network/if-up.d/eth0 and wlan0 and ppp0 which each should call /usr/local/bin/ntpd-restart.sh.  But the files in the dir are not interface-specific?
09:00.10michal_i tried using lynx to save the cookie but that didn't seem to do anything
09:00.14_slasherm..
09:00.26_slashI can view a.php as php file but not index.php
09:00.46_slashwhen I view index.php is asked to choose to save or download
09:01.01_slashs/is/it
09:01.02alynxkarsten:might be right there. But the guide i followed clearly used a bzip2 file. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003
09:01.05xamZta: no, look in /etc/interfaces/if-up.d
09:01.13karstenmichal_: You should have a cookies file under ~/.lynx/ IIRC.  Should be an entry for that particular website.
09:01.26alynxhyperstream: no i haven't tried that yet
09:01.40karsten_slash: Someone's fscked up their Apache configuration.
09:01.41Ztaxam, doesn't exist.
09:01.45hyperstreamhas amazing support for ALOT of games
09:01.52michal_karsten: there is no ~/.lynx anything and using -cookie_save_file=cookie.txt doesn't work either
09:01.52karsten_slash: Which website?  Youre?
09:01.53deadcatwhat emblems?
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09:02.21xamZta: well, it does here (and there is an entry for ntp-server)
09:02.25plbgnrhello, how can I find out what really run on ports? (nmap tells just what should run)
09:02.32karsten_slash: RTFM 'lynx'.  the default value  is  ~/.lynx_cookies  for  most  systems,  but
09:02.35karsten<PROTECTED>
09:03.12karstenplbgnr: /etc/services if you want a list of ports.  'netstat -vtpl' if you want to see what's listening.
09:03.14xamZta: try to create the directory and a shell script within that dir which should be executed ... the interface being used will be passed in the $IFACE variable
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09:03.26_slasherr..  i viewed it from firefox
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09:03.52michal_lynx under debian doesn't seem to save cookies
09:04.06ciroroI have a package failing to install, so I want to rerun the entire configuration. How do I do that? dpkg --configure foo  only displays the last config option
09:04.07karstenmichal_: Might try w3m.  What website/url?
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09:04.17karstenciroro: dpkg --reconfigure foo
09:04.28karstenciroro: ... or aptitude install --reinstall foo
09:04.31cirorokarsten: foo is broken or not fully installed
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09:05.07karstenciroro: s/aptitude/apt-get/  It's one of the cases where they differ.
09:05.20cirorokarsten: okay :) thanks
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09:05.31Ztaxam, I just found /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wireless-tools and suddently ALOT of my questions were answered! =)
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09:05.49cirorokarsten: still gives only the last config option
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09:06.06karstenciroro: ??
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09:06.34michal_i wish w3m or lynx could resume file downloads
09:06.37cirorokarsten: using apt-get install --reinstall foo, only gives the last configuration option of package foo (i.e., not the entire configuration starts)
09:06.37cucoquickie: sqlite3 + php... available? I am not seeying anythig on pdo.debian.net, but I may have missed the package names
09:06.57xamZta: man wireless ?
09:07.05michal_on the plus side w3m saves the cookie
09:07.19karstenciroro: dpkg-reconfigure may be what you want then.
09:07.31karstenciroro: I don't recall if you tried that already.
09:07.34Ztaxam, you didn't understand me: I already got what I need, and even more too.  It's perfect.
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09:07.59cirorokarsten: yes, I did: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: bacula-director-mysql is broken or not fully installed
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09:08.21karstenciroro: Then install it fully, first, *then* reconfigure it.
09:08.26xamZta: no, I meant: why did you just found about it, didn't you read 'man wireless'?
09:08.37michal_brilliant
09:08.38michal_it works
09:08.43cirorokarsten: well, it doesn't install, because of some configuration error :)
09:08.59michal_wget -c --load-cookies ~/.w3m/cookie [url]
09:09.05pink1karsten: mrtg does not do alerts !
09:09.07karstenmichal_: Cool ;-)
09:09.17karstenpink1: wmnetmon does ;-)
09:09.33karstenciroro: Can you paste the problem?
09:09.36plbgnrkarsten:thanks
09:09.37karsten!tell ciroro about paster
09:09.58karstenplbgnr: NP.
09:10.10cirorokarsten: I did dpkg -P and apt-get install, that worked now
09:10.12cirorokarsten: tnx
09:10.20karstenciroro: OK.
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09:10.30karstenciroro: ... so you're OK?
09:10.31Ztaxam, because my brain is infact a dry sponge.  I can't think not read.
09:10.43ZtaIn fact, I can't even write.  And what is this place?
09:10.44cirorokarsten: yes, so far, if I now get the configuration right :)
09:10.52xamZta: good excuse ;)
09:11.09karstenciroro: Once the package is fully installed, dpkg-reconfigure foo should be happy.
09:11.16cirorook
09:11.18despayreI'm running thttpd, and I seem to have broken my php, anyone available to help me fix it? (please please please/thank-you,thank-you,thank-you,etc)  :)
09:11.19Ztaxam, it's not an excuse; it's the reason.
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09:12.39xamZta: works well as an excuse though ...
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09:13.44xamOh Noes! http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29834
09:14.22pureoneoh no more people will move to limewire!
09:14.30pink1karsten: wmnetmod doesn't do graphical records - sheesh !!!
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09:15.00karstenpink1: No, but if you combine the tools you've got what you need.
09:15.17karstenpink1: wmnetmon has an audio alert.
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09:15.55pink1karsten: it's for remote monitoring - the user will not be at a pc
09:16.06karstenpink1: RTFM.
09:16.11pink1yea byea
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09:16.35hyperstreami went to work with xmms playing i just got home and no sounds work what so ever?
09:16.45karstenpink1: Otherwise, Nagios or a monitoring script which generates some form of an alert is what you want.  You seem to be overly constraining yourself.  That's your problem, not mine.
09:17.03karstenhyperstream: What's using your sound device?  'fuser -v /dev/dsp'
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09:17.45hyperstream/dev/dsp             hyperstream   3642 f....  xmms
09:17.52oD|SomeoneOk, I've added "ALL:ALL EXCEPT localhost:DENY" to my hosts.deny file... why can I still access the apache server despite all that's in my hosts.allow is an allow for sshd?
09:17.56karstenhyperstream: That would appear to be xmms.
09:18.07hyperstreamyes
09:18.09hyperstreami just restarted it
09:18.12hyperstreamlike right now
09:18.25hyperstreamits a nforce mobo. has 5.1 surrond sound. how do i enable surrond sound ? i use nvidia drivers
09:18.39karstenoD|Someone: /etc/init.d/inetd restart
09:18.50hyperstreamkarsten,  in dmesg i get:
09:18.52hyperstreamNvsound: Unable to change the Playback SampleRate 32000, set back to 48000
09:18.52hyperstreamNvsound: Unable to set Mono, set back to Stereo
09:19.00hyperstreamloads of lines of it
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09:19.24oD|Someonekarsten - would rebooting do that? As I shutdown -r now'd every time I wanted to test a change
09:19.54karstenoD|Someone: Shouldn't be necessary.
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09:20.02karstenhyperstream: NFC.
09:20.13hyperstream:/
09:20.13oD|Someonekarsten - nope, still works with the inetd restart
09:20.38oD|Someonekarsten - might it have something to be with my running the apache server on port 5476?
09:20.56karstenoD|Someone: Hrm...  I don't think apache's compiled with tcp-wrappers.
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09:21.19karstenoD|Someone: You can restrict apache access within httpd.conf.
09:21.35oD|Someonekarsten - Thanks.
09:21.35karstenoD|Someone: http://www.freebsdhowtos.com/113.html
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09:21.51karstenoD|Someone: ... or set an ipchains rule.
09:22.17oD|Someone"I've runed apache from inetd"?
09:22.19oD|Someoneruned?
09:22.42astar`I ran
09:22.47karstenoD|Someone: That's the elvish port.
09:22.58oD|Someonehah
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09:23.22oD|Someonewell, if it's not a simple fix I'll leave it, just paranoia anyway
09:23.29EruditeHermithey, does anyone know if module assistant works with the new fglrx 8.22.5?
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09:24.18oD|Someonekarsten - would Samba also lack tcp-wrappers? As I can also still access the shares
09:24.37karstenoD|Someone: Yeah, probably.
09:24.52karstenoD|Someone: tcp-wrappers is pretty old-school.  ssh is among the newer apps that uses it.
09:25.13dagbrownDoes tcp-wrappers still insist that you come from a box with working ident?
09:25.23dagbrownSpeaking of "old school".  Heck, "quaint"
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09:27.51karstenoD|Someone: ... it's mostly for things like telnet, etc., which you shouldn't run *anyway*
09:28.41karstendagbrown: Not AFAIU, which is somewhat sketchily.
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09:29.05oD|Someonekarsten - ah, ok... like I said; paranoia. It's behind a smoothwall and I'm only forwarding the ports I need
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09:29.39karstenoD|Someone: Anyhow:  tcp-wrappers was from the day when there *wasn't* good firewalling software, and someone's brilliant idea was to run everything from a daemon which would check to see if it should allow a given IP to access a given service or not.
09:30.36karstenoD|Someone: If you've already configured a firewall, trust it. If it's forwarding packets you told it not to you've got other problems.  And multiple layers of security in this regard tend to mostly be a really good way to bite yourself in the but.
09:30.41karstens/but/butt/
09:31.04jm_Zta: indeed, but you have to name them properly
09:31.19oD|Someoneok, I'll watch myself
09:31.26oD|Someonecheers again karsten
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09:42.10rilatdoes the apt system automaticly check the package GPG signature in Etch?
09:42.19evilt0nehi
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09:44.05_joeycould someone help me to set up ifup/ifdown scripts to execute commands from /etc/network/interfaces please
09:44.30_joeywireless extensions using iw* utils
09:45.17liablerilat: yes
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09:46.59liable_joey: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown..  man interfaces too..
09:47.43liable_joey: fairly well explained and not too hard.. oh, man iwconfig. :)
09:48.39skyercehow to install chinese xmms (language)
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09:50.17hyperstreamQSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded
09:50.17hyperstreamQSqlDatabase: available drivers:
09:50.20hyperstreamwhy is this?
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09:53.45NigromanteHello, does anyone know how to enter special characters in linux (openoffice / gedit): keyboard combinations?
09:53.45chealrilat: the packages don't have PGP signatures
09:54.23chealNigromante: you can use Ctrl+Shift+Unicode or something like that in GTK apps
09:54.36Nigromanteah ok, thanks
09:54.46Nigromantewill check
09:55.31Nigromanteit works, thank you :)
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09:57.39smee_hi
09:58.07smee_is there a way to split terminal in two without any x terminal emulator?
09:58.15smee_tty only
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10:00.16smee_I would like to display a text as a kind of header on tty, but also have the rest of terminal to act usual
10:00.43ftsmee_: screen
10:00.56jm_smee_: screen, splitvt
10:01.04smee_ooh
10:01.04sinaduelHello, I remember from years back when I first met linux, there was a psychiatrist style program....what was it's name? I think it was for redhat
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10:01.31smee_jm_, ft, how about different solution? (just out of curiosity)
10:01.35SlayerXPsinaduel:  Eliza
10:01.41sinaduelthankyou
10:01.59SlayerXPsinaduel: though if it was for Redhat that I don't think you'll be able to find a linux version
10:02.00ftsmee_: um, learn C write your own app :)
10:02.05dids-anybody setup wifi using rt2570 and wpa on sarge?
10:02.07smee_I wanna do this in a chroot, and there are problems with /dev and /proc, so a specific tool just for that would be nice
10:02.24smee_ft, just wondering.. ;]
10:02.31jm_any tool accessing a tty will need those files
10:02.54smee_UltraSPARC:~/bin# chroot /sid/
10:02.54smee_UltraSPARC:/# screen
10:02.54smee_Must be connected to a terminal.
10:03.10jm_exactly ...
10:03.12smee_minwhile the app works fine
10:03.19smee_in the same chroot
10:03.28smee_and it's written in ncurses
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10:04.12sinadueljust a small question, about how many of you actually make your own app's?
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10:05.07dondelelcarosinaduel: who knows? it's >> 1 though.
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10:05.49sinadueldondelelcaro: cool, I hope to learn someday how to do that
10:06.03smee_how about invoking screen with two different apps vsplitted already?
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10:07.07Kernel_corehi all
10:07.22Kernel_coreI want to compile PWLib1.9.0 .... I get this error ... make[1]: *** [/usr/local/src/asterisk/h323/pwlib_v1_9_0/lib/obj_linux_x86_r/pssl.o] Error 1
10:07.31Kernel_corewhat is wrong ?
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10:08.59sinaduelI know there are dictionary packs, and language packs, but is there a translation pack out there? Wirting books sometimes drawing on foreign words helps
10:09.21ShadurKernel_core: Whatever is actually wrong is a few lines up the message tree.
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10:10.06Shadursinaduel: Translation is still more of an art than a science, I'm afraid.
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10:10.33sinaduelShadur: Very true
10:11.23Kernel_coreShadur: here is pastebin http://pastebin.com/566437
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10:13.16kameroni want to drop a bunch of .vobs .bups, and .ifos into a single .iso file so i can play it like a dvd. can i use tar to do this? something else?
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10:14.19lord_robHi ! I used to configure my X server using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then chose nvidia for the card type (nvidia is the proprietary nvidia driver). This option has disappeared, what can I do to fix that ?
10:14.23jm_kameron: no, you create ISO images with mkisofs
10:14.54kameronjm_, ahhhh, that's right. i'm really tired. i know i've done this before, i just forgot how. mkisofs, then mount it, add files, done.
10:15.24jm_kameron: no, iso9660 is a read-only FS in kernel
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10:15.29Shadurkameron: isofs is read-only. And you'll need to do a little more magic than that.
10:15.30lord_robkameron: you can do this using k3b
10:15.57kameronjm_, Shadur, lord_rob hmm, i know i've done it before my baking a filesystem.
10:16.03kameronby making.
10:16.07jm_mkisofs creates it
10:16.09kameronyes.
10:16.14foozhow do you type a letter with two dots above it w/ compose?
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10:16.25Shadurhit compose, then ", then the letter
10:16.31foozcool, thanks
10:16.32dondelelcarofooz: ö...
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10:17.34ShadurKernel_core: looks like whatever you're trying to compile there makes a few very bad assumptions about certain structures and typecasting.
10:17.35foozDJ Tiësto
10:17.40foozSigur Rós
10:17.41foozhehe
10:17.52SlayerXP??þÌ?? ì? ??ÿ ¡¡¡¡¡¡
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10:18.28deeleri've installed debian etch ... i boot it and it says "ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping into a shell!" and after about 10 seconds it says SCSI device sda : sda1 sda2 <sda5> .... what's up here? it seems that sda1 becomes active after debian gave up
10:19.38SlayerXPdeeler: how bizarre, I don't think I've ever seen a problem like that before
10:19.48deelerSlayerXP: neither have  i
10:20.05deelermy SCSI card is a Adaptec 32920
10:20.08nnoddeeler: you need a sleep delay in your initrd so that it waits for the scan to complete before trying to access the partition
10:20.24foozdeeler, is your SCSI driver a module?
10:20.24deelernnod; how to do that ??
10:20.29dondelelcarohorray for udev.
10:20.46deelerno fooz, it's in the kernel
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10:21.07dondelelcarodeeler: is this a usb device?
10:21.12foozdeeler, weird
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10:21.26deelernnod: can i pass arguments to initrd ??? to delay the boot
10:21.27foozhe just said it's an Adaptec 32920
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10:21.37deelerdondelelcaro: no true SCSI
10:21.47dondelelcarodeeler: that depends on the exact syntax of the initrd.
10:22.05deelerdondelelcaro: any examples i could try for the initrd ?
10:22.09dondelelcarodeeler: however, if you've built the scsi module into the kernel, why exactly are you using an initrd?
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10:22.14nnoddeeler: build a new initrd, but modify the main script to have a sleep in it
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10:22.27nnoddeeler: i did it a while back but can't remember the specifics
10:22.28foozi can't find that card
10:22.48liable3220?
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10:23.58deelerits an ASC-39320 SCSI card to be correct ... PCIX-133 interface
10:24.13pureonehey check out this http://securelabs.be/~pureone/src/pastebin.c, can someone add it to the paste and pastebin factoids?
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10:24.41pureoneits pretty useful code
10:25.22deelerthe thing is: when i type 'exit' at the shell, it boots ....
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10:26.51kameronlord_rob, how do i combine vobs, ifos and bups into an iso using k3b?
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10:27.37jaime_albertohi everyone
10:27.44Debianek^hi
10:28.09dondelelcaropureone: too bad your webserver doesn't appear to be responding.
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10:28.33Debianek^hej
10:28.35pureonehttp://securelabs.zapto.org/~pureone/src/pastebin.c
10:28.42pureonegod damn ip changes
10:29.15fireba11pureone: IP changes ? for a server ? :-)
10:29.15lord_robkameron: you can ask k3b to create only an image when using the burn compilation option
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10:29.33kameronlord_rob, thanks, i hope they show terminal emulation to see what it's actuall yoding.
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10:29.38pureonei run my server off my home computer :)
10:29.50pureoneim too broke to get a dedicated server
10:30.07Pooh22hi all, anyone know how to debug an apt-get problem (unpack)?
10:30.10Pooh22dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.0.18-7_i386.deb (--unpack):
10:30.10Pooh22<PROTECTED>
10:30.13jaime_albertohere's a question: If I have a directory like /var/www owned by group www-data, how do I make that all the files and directories created in that directory by any user that belongs to www-data be owned by group www-data and have read+write+access perms for the group?
10:30.26pureonebbl
10:31.05Pooh22jaime_alberto: run a script in crontab changing the owner/group regularly
10:31.08lord_robkameron: actually I did not know how to do what you asked just befgore you asked it :). I've just looked into the menus of k3b
10:31.20bkankurhello friends.. i am a student and in my acadamic project i need to create a bootable cd of debian for a x86 based board.  i have all the cds of 3.1r1 now how can i install the minimum version.
10:31.40jaime_albertoPooh22:  Won't it be too heavy for the server?
10:31.41liablePooh22: check the pre-inst script, or bts.
10:31.43kameronlord_rob, oh, cool. the checkbox is right there, open and obvious, i just never payed attention to it really. it's writing the .img now.
10:32.11Pooh22liable: how do I check the pre-install script?
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10:32.35liablePooh22: /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo
10:32.35lord_robbkankur: do you need the installer or a live CD ? In case of a live cd, a knoppix-based distro could be more convenient
10:32.42Pooh22jaime_alberto: depends on how many files you add all the time and how often you run the script
10:32.55Pooh22liable: tnx, I'll check that (and bts)
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10:33.21bkankurlord_rob: yeah. but i need minimum version of debian on that cd as mention in the Project Definiation
10:33.38bkankurFirstly i want to install minimum debian for that
10:33.39kameronbkankur, also a suggestion, look into the slax project, they have excellent documentation
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10:34.18dvm1981_lptpbkankur: Read the install manual +
10:34.26lord_robbkankur: you can also try to make a customized version of knoppix and reduce it to the bare minimum
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10:34.56kameronbkankur, http://slax.linux-live.org/documentation.php
10:35.07kijjazi've just upgraded from Sarge to Sid (testing repository) on PowerPC laptop with LCD screen, my xserver-xorg's updated too, then i started X (i use Fluxbox) and color RED is BLUE & BLUE is RED (green is ok)
10:35.19jaime_albertoIsn't there any way to give a directory sticky group and mask so that all files created inside it be owned by the parent group and have read+write+access perms enabled for the group?
10:35.40blondie+s
10:35.42kijjazdo i need to reconfigure xserver-xorg to something? or is it about the video driver?
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10:36.18jaime_albertokijjaz:  etch is testing, sid is unstable.
10:36.39kijjazjaim_alberto: oh thanks -_- .. so it's etch ^^"
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10:37.19kameronkijjaz, you can try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
10:37.22facrafter i extract a tar file to a folder, what do i type to install the package
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10:37.39kameronkijjaz, but when X isn't running.
10:37.43bonyi tried install testing version of amd64 on to my system which has amd64 3200+ processer
10:37.52kameronfacr, dpkg -i filename.deb
10:37.54petemcfacr: a tar file isnt a package, for debian
10:38.09kameronfacr, oh, i thought you meant install a deb from within a tar
10:38.21bonythat is debian etch but the network card is not getting detected and the installations is aborted
10:38.24facr=/
10:38.33kijjazkameron: hmm yep. then i still can't figure out where to change to fix that ^^" hmm let me think..
10:38.38bonycan any one help me on this
10:38.43liablefacr: read the readme
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10:38.47dvm1981_lptpfacr: Retry with more infos
10:38.56bonythe network card it RealTeck RLY 8120
10:39.10kijjazkameron: this is the 2nd time. first time it was like this just like when i updated (with synaptic) to Etch..
10:39.27jaime_albertofacr:  Suggest: First try apt-cache search package, if it is not in the repository then google for a deb package rep. for the package if it doesn't exists then try the tarball
10:39.33kijjazkameron: (but what i see now is cool anyway.. swap between RED and BLUE -_-")
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10:39.57dvm1981_lptpYou try to install an app from source ?
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10:40.00kameronkijjaz, haha, it's not broken, it's a feature!
10:40.34bonyRealtek PHY RTL8201CL this is the network card
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10:42.17liablebony: try #debian-amd64  the kernel isnt quite up to date iirc
10:42.47bonythanks liable
10:42.55bonyi will going it
10:43.03liableyw
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10:43.45bkankurThanx a Lot to all .. But According to the Defination "when someone put the CD into the cdrom it should install debian on the target board automatically. As like normal debian installation cds but the only difference is its a minimum version.
10:44.53liablebkankur: huh? what are you talking about?
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10:45.50liable!d-i bkankur
10:45.50dpkgbkankur, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.
10:45.50dvm1981_lptpbkankur == facr ??
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10:46.39liablebkankur: get the net-inst it will give the base system, or cd1 without any tasksel packages will also give you the base install..
10:46.47WoodyHi, how do I create /dev/hde with major: 33 minor: 0
10:46.55WoodyIts a block device
10:47.18liableeww, man mknod
10:47.30WoodyMAKEDEV didn't work for me
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10:49.25WoodyOk, this is the situation. I am trying to compile a kernel by my own, which has two ide drivers.
10:49.43Woodyone is on my mainboard, the other one connected on PCI
10:50.00liablewhy compile?
10:50.02WoodyAnd on the PCI one is my biggest hard drive. I can't mount it
10:50.15WoodyWell I was just trying to.
10:50.33kijjazAnd so how can i force the xserver to switch RED and BLUE bits on display? -_- heeh ^^
10:50.45WoodyI don't like the pre compiled kernels available on the net. They are to big. And anyway they made some problems with my usb.
10:50.51liablewell, if it works with a debian kernel, then you fux0red the compile, makedev or mknod wont help..
10:51.12WoodyBut as soon as I have two ide device drivers statically compiled I get a kernel error.
10:51.19Debianek^I'm bored 3m-ka
10:51.35Woodyliable: Yeah, I really noticed :-/
10:51.56WoodyBut how can I get this to work now ? I am booting from the mainboard ide
10:52.22Woody"dmesg | grep hde"
10:52.25liableWoody: really, there is no need to compile, debian kernels are actually really good and its a bit of a wank that they are bloated etc..
10:52.30Woodytells me I have a hard drive
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10:52.57Woodyliable: I tryed one and I still didn't get the kernel running.
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10:53.14liableso how did you install?
10:53.16Woodyliable: that is why I am trying my own now.
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10:54.01Woodyapt-get install linux-2.6.8-2-386
10:54.03soup_any good opensource games?
10:54.39liableWoody: no, if the debian kernel is no good, then how did you install debian? and if it works...
10:54.46liablesoup_: yes
10:55.14Woodyliable: As soon as I boot the 2.6.8 kernel it hangs on usb and won't boot up completely
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10:55.38Woodysoup_: lots of games
10:55.43liableWoody: give it nousb option at boot
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10:56.13Woodyliable: And what boot option would I take to only have one ide driver ?
10:56.30liableWoody: google your mobo and debian and see what gives before you try and compile.
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10:57.06liableWoody: well, you couls blacklist the module you dont want.
10:57.18Woody"lsmod | grep hpt366" gives me "hpt366      17984    1 [permanent]
10:57.33superlinuxhi all
10:57.47liableWoody: x86?
10:57.50Woodyliable: See this module for the second ide always gets permanent.
10:57.54Woodyyes
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10:58.13fireba11since the topic is on mobos already .. does someone know a good url for mobo comparison ? i find it hart to find a mobo with the features i want on it ... :-)
10:58.13Woodyliable, Athlon XP
10:58.15liablestill try blacklisting it.
10:58.31superlinuxhow can i tell the compiler thru a environment variable that my CPU is AMD64?
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10:58.43Woodyliable: how  do I blacklist certain modules ?
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10:58.54liablefireba11: yeah, when i was shopping i found surprisingly fuck all info i wamnted
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10:59.26liableWoody: /etc/hotplug /etc/discover/blacklist
10:59.33Dimensionguten morgen
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10:59.48Woodyliable: thanks for now, I will try this out. bbl
11:00.05liablegood luck
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11:00.20dvm1981_lptpgoede morgen
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11:01.15liablefireba11: and even harder to find one these days without all the onboard shits.
11:01.18superlinuxhi all
11:01.18superlinuxhow can i tell the compiler thru a environment variable that my CPU is AMD64?
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11:01.41fireba11liable: i don't midn having quite a few things onboard .. but i want the right ones :-)
11:01.48Shadowcatwhat exactly are you trying to do superlinux?
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11:03.04liablefireba11: yeah, well the sata ones are a headache with sarge.. but if you want etch then you should be ok as long as the install kernel can at least see it..
11:03.12superlinuxwell i wanna force my system to download binaries for AMD64
11:03.17fireba11liable: like a board for  939 X2 with GBit ethernet and a 2nd ethernet controller, at least 4x SATA .. and at least one regular PCI slot ..
11:03.23liable!amd64
11:03.23dpkgrumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq.  Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64
11:03.30superlinuxShadowcat ok?
11:03.35Shadowcatforce your system?
11:03.40superlinuxyea
11:03.42Shadowcatdude you're running a 32-bit system
11:03.50Shadowcatyou want a 64-bit system you have to reinstall
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11:03.56Shadowcatand no there's no way around it
11:04.01enkryptsuperlinux: Shadowcat is correct
11:04.05superlinuxbut my CPU is AMD64
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11:04.16superlinuxso it can take both i think
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11:04.21enkryptsuperlinux: you are running a 32bit debian distro
11:04.29superlinuxyea i am
11:04.34fireba11liable: got sarge running with SATA without problems ..
11:04.38enkryptsuperlinux: which means you CANNOT run 64bit binaries
11:04.39Shadowcatyou are running a 32-bit distro
11:04.43superlinuxi know
11:04.47fatal_superlinux: you can crosscompile for amd64 if you wish... but the result won't be usable on your own system...
11:04.50liablefireba11: me too, but dpends on the chip..
11:04.51superlinuxthat's why wanna redownload
11:05.02fireba11liable: probable true
11:05.05enkryptsuperlinux: you have to re-install your distro from scratch
11:05.16superlinuxok
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11:05.28liablefireba11: s/probably/definately/ :)
11:05.40enkryptsuperlinux: fetch one of those Debian-Sarge amd64 netinstall cd's, burn it, and off you go :)
11:05.51superlinuxenkrypt thanks and nice nick u have
11:06.02enkryptthanks :p
11:06.11enkryptencrypt was already taken :p
11:06.11fatal_superlinux: there's not much gain in having a 64bit userspace, so don't bother (unless you actually have single applications that need to allocate over 4GB each).
11:06.37enkryptfatal_: actually I am running 64bit user&kernel space :p just to be stubborn :p
11:06.42superlinuxi am going to eat grape leaves and engg plant wih some lamb meat and tomato out from the oven... yammeeeeee
11:06.44superlinux!
11:06.44superlinuxbrb
11:06.50fatal_enkrypt: me too. just not recommending it to others.. ;P
11:06.53Shadowcatenkrypt: I'm running it for the hell of it
11:06.57Shadowcatbut I'm with you guys
11:06.59liableit must suck to get a shiny new 64bit box and have nerds tell you its a waste of time.. :)
11:07.02Shadowcatif you have to ask, don't use it
11:07.05enkrypt32bit is easier in general
11:07.17Shadowcatliable: well it IS a waste of time
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11:07.34liableShadowcat: yes, and it must suck to hear that :)
11:07.34enkryptI'm running everything okay, except for firefox,flash plugin and mplayer in 32bit chroot
11:07.35Shadowcatthe thing that pisses me off even more is that it's an extension of x86
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11:07.58Shadowcatthey should have created a new register standard instead of extending the old one
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11:08.24enkryptShadowcat: but then amd64 wouldn't be able to run legacy 32bit x86 code, right ?
11:08.25liablesuperlinux: mmmm, that sounds pretty damn tasty..
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11:08.37Shadowcatenkrypt: it'd be hell of a lot cleaner though
11:08.42enkrypttrue true
11:09.00enkryptok, time for lunch :)
11:09.00ShadowcatI mean this bios problem I'm having right now can be traced directly to x86 legacy
11:09.08Shadowcatwhich pisses me off
11:09.18Zetso what exactly am I going to miss out on if I have my userspace in 64bit as well? w32codecs, flash and openoffice?
11:09.25fireba11liable also it's hard to find boards with 16x PCI-E and AGP ^^
11:09.39ShadowcatI believe MSI has such a board
11:09.43Shadowcator was it Gigabyte
11:10.08fireba11Shadowcat: found one from asrock
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11:10.47Shadowcatasrock is a subsiduary of asus
11:11.04fireba11Shadowcat: i know
11:14.15enkryptZet: flashplugin-nonfree, w32codecs (so some codecs wont work with mplayer), openoffice, and azureus
11:14.30Zetoh, azureus too?
11:14.34Zetwhy's that?
11:14.47Zetor is that just java in general?
11:14.52Shadowcatbecause azureus makes heavy use of jni
11:14.59Shadowcatwhich ISN'T cross platform
11:15.07enkryptZet: well it depends probably, I am using the Sun JDK (5.0 update 6), and the JDK itself works perfectly with Eclipse and Netbeans, but Azureus doesn't
11:15.20Shadowcatenkrypt: see above explanation
11:15.24enkryptso I'm running Azureus in the 32bit chroot also
11:15.29Shadowcatyou should know what jni is
11:15.31enkryptoh thanks Shadowcat, didn't know that
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11:16.00Zetwell, then I guess I'll have to find another bittorrent client
11:16.03enkryptShadowcat: I've never looked to deep into the azureus problem, I didn't even look at the stack trace, just ran it inside the chroot and everything was fine :p
11:16.16Shadowcatenkrypt: I read the azureus source code
11:16.21Shadowcatthat's how I know they use jni
11:16.29enkryptoh, didn't know that
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11:16.45Shadowcatthey have several packages that specifically deal with OS integration
11:16.53enkryptanyway, if you must run any of these apps, a 32bit chroot is an excellent solution
11:17.00Shadowcatwhich pretty much means that the guy might as well have coded the bloody thing in C++
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11:17.12enkrypthehe Shadowcat :)
11:17.28tijnmmh any can help me getting debian to boot on a proliant 360?
11:17.31enkryptI which there was an µTorrent equivalent for linux :/
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11:17.41enkryptwish
11:17.46Shadowcatheh
11:18.09enkryptµTorrent is so small and efficient compared to Azureus
11:18.17enkryptand it's free, but not open-source
11:18.19tijnor freeloader
11:18.26Shadowcatanything's efficient compared to java
11:18.26tijnfreeloader is nice
11:18.51tijnbittornado with torrentflux :)
11:19.17enkryptactually Java has made giant leaps in efficiency since 5.0 came out
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11:19.24Guerinrtorrent > *
11:19.35Guerinenkrypt: haha
11:19.43Shadowcatenkrypt: the problem is Sun
11:19.45Guerinsun ... giant leaps ... pull the other one
11:19.55Shadowcatjava should at least have the ability to manipulate memory registers
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11:20.13enkryptyou can't deny that Sun java 5.0 is a big leap over the old 1.4.2 right ?
11:20.31Shadowcatjava 1.5 is java with a C# patch
11:20.35Shadowcatat least it feels that way
11:20.40enkryptoh come on, don't be so hard :p
11:20.50tijnah already know it :D dont need proliant setup cd
11:20.54tijnjust boor debian :D
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11:21.14zimnyxHello!
11:21.32enkryptanyway, I prefer other languages over Java any day, but in the OO-world I think Java isn't half bad
11:21.54ShadowcatOO is coded by sun
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11:22.15enkryptwell I prefer Java over C++ or C# any day
11:22.35ShadurOh, OOo groks java? Please tell me that that includes OOcalc as well...
11:23.16enkryptby OO I mean Object-Oriented, not OpenOffice.Org :)
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11:25.38WoodyI get this messages in dmesg: http://rafb.net/paste/results/3Ye3zq79.html
11:25.50WoodyI have two ide device driver
11:26.02superlinuxi am back
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11:26.55WoodySomeone has any ideas ?
11:27.09superlinuxenkrypt tell me more please, are the iso images for amd64 with 64bit compilations available?
11:28.01superlinuxor should i recompile?
11:28.13dvm1981_lptpsuperlinux: Activate the log of you're chat app
11:28.39dvm1981_lptpsuperlinux: So that you can get back
11:28.53JeoI am getting this error from our winserver: The master browser has received a server announcement from the computer LINUXSERVER that believes that it is the master browser for the domain on transport NetBT_Tcpip_{01CD6875-8037-430C-9. The master browser is stopping or an election is being forced.
11:29.04JeoThe linuxserver is my debian used for development environment; did I configure something wrong in Debian? The winserver must be the master, it is the router as well
11:29.55JeoOr it is something wrong in winserver, a 2003 version
11:30.01superlinuxdvm1981_lptp i am using b-X from CLI
11:30.17superlinuxand i am still new to it
11:30.38dvm1981_lptpsuperlinux: Activate it, or use somethings that log it
11:30.59\amethystJeo: man smb.conf, look for os level
11:31.01WoodyDoes someone has two ide device drivers with a kernel installed ?
11:31.06JeoI have a samba
11:31.13dvm1981_lptpsuperlinux: bitchx?
11:31.14Jeoah.. dvm
11:31.32\amethystJeo: you want to turn that down so that LINUXSERVER loses the elections
11:31.42Jeoyes
11:31.49Jeobut how can i do it?
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11:31.57superlinuxany way my  system uses 32bit debian on AMD64... all i want is to change the download of the binaries to 64bit binaries.. and yes bitchX
11:32.40Jeothere is no os level into my smb.conf
11:32.42Jeo!
11:32.45Jeo?
11:32.45hyperstreamhi i have a HDTV capture card. dvb
11:32.52hyperstreamit fails to open in a application
11:32.53superlinuxdo dvm1981_lptp
11:32.57hyperstreamhow can i debug to see if its installed
11:33.01superlinuxso dvm1981_lptp ?
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11:33.21dvm1981_lptpsuperlinux: Why you not download the right img like someone already say
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11:36.06dvm1981_lptpsuperlinux: There is a stress some else, it's looks that we have not understand; or my
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11:36.17hyperstreambrb reboot
11:37.01Henry_Beanhi, i have this message... No package 'xdmcp' found
11:37.01Henry_Bean... i just tried libxdmcp-dev but it doesn't complains the dependence... any idea about what package i need?
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11:37.52arsenapt-cache search xdmcp ?
11:38.56Henry_Beanarsen, nop, i have all packages in that search installed :(
11:39.19arsenwhat are you trying to install? (what is "xdmcp" a dependancy for?"
11:39.56Henry_Beanit's for compiling (from dsc) libx11-1.0.0 (from experimental) to build the deb package
11:40.10dvm1981_lptpHenry_Bean: Where you got the msg; and the exact msg is ?
11:40.33Henry_Beanchecking for XDMCP... configure: error: Package requirements (xdmcp) were not met: No package 'xdmcp' found
11:40.34arsenHenry_Bean have you searched on packages.debian.org?
11:40.53arsenor on apt-get.org
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11:42.07Henry_Beanarsen, yes, it's nothing usefull
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11:42.29Henry_Beaneverywhere it's libxdmcp
11:42.36tarzeau!popcon
11:42.36dpkgrumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
11:42.39Henry_Beanthat i just have installed
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11:45.16krzychussshow can I remove non-empty directory?
11:45.18superlinuxhi agian
11:45.39Henry_Beankrzychusss, rm -r directoryname
11:45.54krzychusssthanks :)
11:46.01Henry_Beankrzychusss, or rm -rf directoryname, r to recursive, f to force
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11:46.21superlinuxwhat should be the included in the name of the CD images of AMD64 with 64bit compilations?
11:47.20superlinuxkrzychusss put on the konqueror (KDE's browser) the following link and learn info:/coreutils ok?
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11:48.33superlinuxHenry_Bean what should be the included in the name of the CD images of AMD64 with 64bit compilations?
11:49.22superlinuxplease
11:49.44Henry_Beansuperlinux, i don't understand your question
11:49.48arseni dont understand either :\
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11:50.17superlinuxwell i have my system contains an AMD64 CPU ok?
11:50.24arsenyup
11:50.43linuxg0dsuperlinux, wht u want ?
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11:50.56linuxg0du need to get 64 dit iso
11:50.58linuxg0d*bit
11:51.00linuxg0dand install it
11:51.20linuxg0dand 64 bit gcc compiler to compile 64 bit src's
11:51.21superlinuxwhat should be there in the name of the ISO images that should have 64bit binaries?
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11:51.36superlinuxwhat is its format?
11:51.43petemcsuperlinux: you would imagine there would be a "64" in there somewhere
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11:51.46hyperstreamguys if you could take a look at: http://pastebin.com/566547 its some info about my issue lsmod dmesg etc etc.. quite a few dvb viewers are saying there isnt a dvb-t card :/
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11:52.28_joeyI've got wireless going and it logs everything in messages. How do I supress logging ?
11:52.33linuxg0dsuperlinux, check debian site
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11:53.39superlinuxpetemc i found that there are some including the phrase "debian32" and amd64, is that 32bit compiled?
11:54.01petemcsuperlinux: i dont have a 64bit machine, so dont really know
11:54.54dagbrownI should get a 64-bit CPU to put into my Socket 754 based machine.
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11:55.52dvm1981_lptpsuperlinux: Try to use xchat or so, easy to use, logging chat conversations ...
11:56.01superlinuxok
11:56.15superlinuxanyway i am ganna shut this mechine
11:56.17superlinuxbrb
11:56.24superlinuxi'll change it
11:57.18Henry_Beanwell, i fix my problem, i recompile sources from experimental
11:57.21|yang|Is talkd bugged? It doent seem to work on my machine
11:57.21Henry_Bean:)
12:00.06|yang|Feb 22 12:55:30 jason kernel: process `talk' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT
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12:01.03Slaughterhi
12:01.13Slaughterdoes someone install JAWS?
12:01.18hyperstreamhow can i get surrond sound for xmms ?
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12:04.49Vince35hi all (; , does someone know what prog create a .sbd folder in the home , it's something about mail but i can't figure it out ....sorry for english
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12:09.20Henry_BeanVince35, looking in google "sbd folder" appears some results pointing Thunderbird...
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12:09.51Slaughteri need some of help with JAWS
12:09.59moihey, how can i tell gnome to not load nautilus/disk browser at startup?
12:10.19Slaughterat section 4. DATABASE i recived: Can't create Registry SimpleArray
12:10.52Vince35Henry_Bean, thx a lot .... so strange i've never used thunderbird , somtimes mozilla-mail but not often , and this folder is fill with more than 400 files...
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12:15.22dorelumm, if i start the debian sarge install with linux26 on boot options does it install the 2.6 kernel or is it just loading the installation with 2.6 kernel?
12:16.51flartdorel: both afaik
12:16.54wamI somehow made a syntax error in my /etc/passwd on a server. Now I can't get a terminal via ssh. All I can get is calling a program via ssh. Even "ssh user@host bash" works. But from there I can't su, because of "su: must be run from a terminal". How can I get a terminal?
12:16.59dorelahh ok
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12:17.11Vince35Henry_Bean, it was mozilla --mail ...(o:
12:17.34Henry_BeanVince35, cool :)
12:17.43flartdorel: maybe the installer asks you sometimes to chooese between 2.4 or 2.6
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12:17.58Henry_Beanquestion... anyone has luminocity installed in debian sid?
12:18.09wdamnHi how can I convert a txt into a postscript
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12:18.39dagbrownwdamn: e2ps
12:19.30wdamndagbrown: thanx
12:20.41usn_workhi there
12:20.51Readonwhen i using mail to delete mail in box it is said that "mail: Cannot create lockfile /var/mail/bbs.lock: Failed to write pid into tmp lockfile."
12:20.56Readonwhy?
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12:22.33S4nD3rI have a problem.... All user that have bigger ID 1444 doent get to do a login...
12:22.43S4nD3rHow do I solve this one ???
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12:23.44S4nD3rI have a problem.... All user that have bigger ID 1444 doent get to do a login in NIS clients......
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12:29.41ejofeemy vlc sub font is very uglily blurred. what can i do about it? i tried every combination of settings i could think of.
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12:30.08andreiutzhello
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12:31.38andreiutzi've just installed bittorrent (apt-get install bittorrent) , but in the command line when i type bittorrent it says command not found
12:31.40andreiutzwgy ?
12:31.48andreiutzi've just installed bittorrent (apt-get install bittorrent) , but in the command line when i type bittorrent it says command not found
12:32.00Buccharatiandreiutz: btdownloadcurses
12:32.03petemcandreiutz: btdownload<tab>
12:32.30andreiutzahaaaaaaa
12:32.40andreiutzBuccharati, petemc  thank you
12:32.43ekkikristandreiutz: There is also a gui package.
12:32.43andreiutzvery much
12:32.46andreiutz:)
12:33.23andreiutzekkikrist, what's the name of the package
12:33.23andreiutz?
12:33.30ekkikristbittorrent-gui I believe.
12:33.32Buccharatiyes there is a gui, but polite downloaders should use btdownloadcurses inside a screen and detach it to keep seeding
12:34.13ekkikristYes, seeding is good :)
12:34.22andreiutzwhat seeding means ?
12:34.53ekkikristandreiutz: "Keep the download window open as long as you can after downloading" so everybody else gets to take advantage of your full download.
12:35.07andreiutzaha
12:35.07andreiutzok
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12:36.09andreiutzwhen i type btdownloadcurses it outputs some parameters but still return to andrei@deb:~$
12:36.11andreiutzwhy ?
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12:36.20andreiutzit didn't started
12:36.29Buccharatiandreiutz: btdowloadcurses filename.torrent
12:36.36andreiutzahaaaaaaaa
12:36.40andreiutzi'm so stupid
12:36.44andreiutzok
12:36.47andreiutzthanks
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12:37.29blackhello everybody
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12:37.55blackanybody know an app to watch my microprocesor temperature?
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12:38.46chealer9hum, we have too many bla* nicks
12:38.56chealer9black: yes, lm_sensors or acpitool
12:39.22blackchealer9: who it works?
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12:39.38chealer9Black: what?
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12:39.54Readon<PROTECTED>
12:39.55S4nD3rI have a problem.... All user that have bigger ID 1444 doent get to do a login in NIS clients......
12:40.01apfelIs there an ICQ-like program that makes sure that a message has been received by the recipient?
12:40.16tijnapfel i pigeon :)
12:40.18tijna*
12:40.29BucciaratiReadon: sed '100001,$p' <input >output
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12:40.48ekkikristapfel: jabber?
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12:41.37Gadsdenplease could someone give me a realistic risk assessment of installing debian and as dual-boot without backing up my drive?
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12:41.53ekkikristYou are a fool if you don't back up.
12:41.58Readonwhat about input and output is the same file?
12:42.01apfelekkikrist: is there a special option? I'm currently using centericq but a friend of mine has some problems with his (local) network (router problem... don't know), thus some messages get lost.
12:42.06ReadonBucciarati: what about input and output is the same file?
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12:42.18andreiutzekkikrist, why i get this message from btdownloadcurses  error(s): [14:41:36] Problem connecting to tracker - timeout exceeded
12:42.19andreiutz?
12:42.21apfeltijn: what do you mean?
12:42.27BucciaratiReadon: cannot do that with the same file
12:42.32ekkikristandreiutz: Probably the torrent is no longer active.
12:42.37BucciaratiReadon: it would be corrupted
12:42.46ekkikristandreiutz: That tracker is not online.
12:42.54andreiutzok
12:42.56andreiutzthanks
12:43.02Gadsdenekkikrist: I guess that's about as good an answer as I could hope for :)
12:43.06chealer9Gadsden: user risk+0.001?
12:43.24BucciaratiReadon: could do that with a quick perl one-liner
12:43.36ekkikristapfel: Well I never heard of that problem, I'm suggesting you try jabber instead of icq (centericq can connect to jabber servers).
12:43.59Gadsdenchealer9: You mean that 99.999% of the risk is in me doing something wrong?
12:44.03ReadonBucciarati: i see, the output should be empty
12:44.26BucciaratiReadon: yes, and i forgot the -n argument to sed
12:44.49BucciaratiReadon: sed -n '100001,$p' <input >output
12:44.58chealer9Gadsden: it depends on your knowledge.
12:45.19ekkikristGadsden: Well keep in mind you may re-partition or re-write the boot loader, you may not able to "get" into both operating systems if things don't work out at first :)
12:45.21BucciaratiReadon: cp input /tmp/oldinput ; sed -n '100001,$p' </tmp/oldinput >input
12:45.47ReadonBucciarati: there is no space for me
12:45.55cyzieis it possible to power on (hence boot up OS) pc1 from another pc2?  <pc2>----intranet----<pc1>
12:46.04BucciaratiReadon: then i think perl is the quickest way
12:46.34ekkikristcyzie: Maybe if your ethernet boot-on-lan is working.
12:46.39apfelekkikrist: ok, thanks
12:46.43dagbrowntail +100000 input > output
12:46.57cyzieekkikrist, do you know how? what is the correct term to use when i need to google for this?
12:47.17petemcwake on lan
12:47.18ReadonBucciarati: i know nothing about perl
12:47.19ekkikristoops
12:47.23ekkikristwake on lan, sorry :(
12:47.32ekkikristneed coffee!
12:47.42petemc!coffee ekkikrist
12:47.47ekkikristhaha awesome.
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12:48.45cyzieekkikrist, do you have wake up on lan step by step?
12:49.11ekkikristno, I never tried that.
12:49.30Ummmmmneed to enable it in bios, then send appropriately-addressed packets ...
12:49.32cyzieekkikrist, thanks for your help. google away!
12:49.36ekkikristYour hardware (and drivers) have to support it, by the way.
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12:50.07Ummmmm(drivers don't need to support it?!)
12:50.22ekkikristThe idea is that the nic card is wired into the power switch, so it waits for "magic packet" and turns on the system
12:50.32ekkikristThey don't?  I kind of figured they would have to.
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12:51.01cyzieekkikrist, yea... have to study more to get it work.
12:51.13ekkikristhaha, apparently I do as well.
12:51.41blondieumm
12:51.49blondiedrivers couldn't possibly need to support wake on lan
12:52.03ekkikristhardware handles all that?
12:52.08blondiewhat software do you think is running when the PC is on standby?
12:52.25blondiethe card and bios have to support it, that's all
12:52.29ekkikristthe...magic...os... I'm retarded
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12:52.38faber2hi everybody
12:52.42blondiedrivers/OS are not running when the PC is on standby
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12:52.58faber2how can i reconfiger my exim4 using the dialog which appears when I installed exim4 for the first time?
12:53.09blondiedpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
12:53.11petemcfaber2: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-confog
12:53.11blondieor something like that
12:53.13petemcdamn..
12:53.30faber2ah, i tried reconfigure exim4, but nothing
12:53.32faber2thx
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12:54.57GroYhello
12:55.18BucciaratiReadon: vim -e input
12:55.25BucciaratiReadon: :normal! 10dd
12:55.29BucciaratiReadon: :wq
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12:55.42BucciaratiReadon: 100000 instead of 10 :)
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12:56.04GroYi m having trouble at configuring a graphic card, does someone konw about xorg ?
12:56.36blondiejust ask the question :P
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12:57.03gaara_ciao a tutti
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12:57.18gaara_spero qualcuno possa aiutarmi
12:57.22faber2ups, i deleted my /etc/exim4, which package generates that directory??
12:57.29Zugschlusfaber2: exim4-config
12:57.33Bucciarati!it
12:57.34dpkgper aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it
12:57.37Zugschlusand it doesn't generate, it contains
12:57.47Zugschlusyou need to purge the package and reinstall
12:57.47ReadonBucciarati: i know how to do this with vi, but it is too slow
12:57.51GroYblondie: well i have a geforce6200 and it wont work if i do not use vesa
12:57.52Zugschlus(which is hard to do because of dependencies)
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12:58.17mcmfaber2: dpkg -S /etc/exim4
12:58.18BucciaratiReadon: doing with "vim -e" won't try to display the file and calculate line numbers and syntax and so on
12:58.22faber2Zugschlus: can i re-install this somehow?
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12:59.02faber2mcm: ah, thx
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12:59.21GroYblondie: when i use nv, it does not start x, but ends on the ncurse interface telling me that it found a device on PCI 01:00:0, and the next line is "No devices detected"
12:59.36GroYblondie: i dont know what to do
12:59.47blondieno idea o.o
13:00.10ReadonBucciarati: that is good , thank you very much
13:00.18mcmfaber2: also apt-get and dpkg has option to reinstall whole packages. see the appropriate man pages.
13:00.43mcmfaber2: even if they are already installed on the system.
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13:00.49GroYblondie: ok, thx anyway
13:00.49solemnwarninghi all
13:01.07solemnwarningin debian testing, why is wifi stuff broken?
13:01.14solemnwarningcant set a WEP key :\
13:01.51ice_1963GroY:/msg dpkg nvidia
13:02.48faber2mcm: mmmhh... --reinstall causes an error in post-installation because a template is missing which is provided by exim4-config, the package i am reinstalling
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13:03.54saftsackFeb 21 21:56:24 debian kernel: Power alarm on module 2, resetting!
13:03.58saftsackhi, what does this mean?
13:04.06GroYice_1963: yep, it s about nvidia drivers (proprietary), with wich i have troubles too, but i wanbted first to make the card work with the free drivers (nv)
13:05.22ice_1963GroY: well you can't
13:05.31GroY?
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13:05.36GroYwhy ?
13:05.44GroYi cant use nv drivers ?
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13:05.58gsgshi im setting iptables rules on a transparent bridge, however when I use -i or -o my rules dont work I've checked interface names and they are not mixed up, any ideas anyone?
13:06.08ice_1963yes you can
13:06.11jm_GroY: it means nv driver doesn't support your card
13:06.28GroYi saw the name of my card in the log
13:06.34GroYGeForce 6200
13:06.53epsilongsgs: is the rule in the output of iptables-save?
13:07.15gsgsepsilon : Let me see...
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13:07.49saftsackhas no  one any idea?
13:07.53Nom--Howdy again y'all
13:07.54epsilongsgs: just checking if the rule is really "active"
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13:08.17gsgsepsilon : they show up in -L
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13:08.26Nom--Any recommendations on which sound engine to use with KDE on Stable ?
13:08.29jm_6200 is fairly new, your nv driver is old, case closed
13:08.45GroYah
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13:08.47Nom--2.6.8 kernel :)
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13:08.48epsilongsgs bridge enabled in both directions?
13:08.51gsgsepsilon : yes they do
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13:09.06GroYjm_: with a newer version of xorg it could work ?
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13:09.12gsgsepsilon yes
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13:09.22jm_GroY: yeah most likely, or Nvidia's driver
13:09.47GroYnvidia's driver dont work => black screen, then freeze
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13:09.56ice_1963so install the new one
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13:10.02jm_try following the docs in their troubleshooting section
13:10.20GroYok
13:10.23gsgsepsilon as soon as I remove -i they start filtering - but this way it's both ways
13:10.30GroYi ll try to update all i can, and see
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13:10.44sylvisjAnyone know a good dvd player prog?
13:10.48epsilongsgs: tcpdump on client-, brigde-, client-box? locating wher the packets get lost may give you more hint
13:10.58GroYsylvisj: totem works fine
13:11.02epsilongsgs: "route" is set correct?
13:11.14GroYwell, thx everyone, see ya
13:11.20sylvisjI'll try it.
13:11.30IVSduring the installation in low memory mode, the base-system step fails because it "Failed to determine the codename of the release."... How can i fix this?
13:11.39gsgsepsilon yes its fine
13:11.43sylvisjGroY how about for KDE?
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13:12.10epsilongsgs: route to subnets on each interface?
13:13.00*** mode/#debian [+l 827] by debhelper
13:13.04nachtmardoes anyone know a good disassembler ... should be grafic if possible
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13:13.15N|DeeJayHi.
13:13.24sylvisjLF dvd player...
13:13.34N|DeeJayAnyone knows when a 64-bit version of Debian is getting realeased official?
13:13.45GroYsylvisj: i dont kde, so i dont know, sorry
13:13.52sylvisjNp
13:14.02dagbrownCrap, the 64-bit Debian isn't official?
13:14.09N|DeeJayNope
13:14.10epsiloneh?
13:14.23N|DeeJayCan't findt any official images of it
13:14.27gsgsepsilon it's transparent s there is no route for those interfaces
13:14.39N|DeeJayfind*
13:14.52dagbrownI bet there'll be a handful of customers at work who'll be displeased to hear that.
13:15.06dagbrownEspecially the ones who've been using 64-bit Debian systems for a few months.
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13:15.20N|DeeJaydagbrown its not an official release, is it?
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13:15.39IVSanyone?
13:15.49sylvisjN|DeeJay, no. Now go to www.google.com, type in Debian AMD64 download, hit enter, and stop use your brain.
13:15.52seewhat package should i do dpkg-reconfigure on if i want to reconfigure xfree86 (i have put wrong mouse type)
13:15.54petemcdagbrown: im not sure customer is the correct terminology..
13:15.59jm_!drxx see
13:15.59dpkgsee: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>
13:16.10seejm thnx
13:16.10N|DeeJaysylvisj try your self and you might know the answer to my question
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13:16.28petemcdagbrown: ahh, your customers... sorry
13:16.29sylvisjN|DeeJay, I do know it. I have two DebianAMD64 cd's, Sarge and Etch.
13:16.38N|DeeJayYes but not official releases
13:17.04sylvisjNope. Now find google.
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13:17.30Nom--What's better to use these days? OSS or ALSA ?
13:17.31yos87hi
13:17.34N|DeeJayShut up dude, i was asking if anyone KNEW when the official release was comming out - Thats nothing google can tell me, i've tried there so sod off witht hat bullshit
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13:17.57sylvisjThat is something google can tell you.
13:18.01GroYi just discovered i had a sempron 64bits, could it be the source of my problem ?
13:18.05epsilongsgs: I'm not sure what you mean, but I have something like this in /sbin/route output if I use bridging, each subnet on each interface: "192.168.1.0 *      255.255.255.0   U   0    0    0 eth1"
13:18.15GroY(well it s not my computer actually)
13:18.17N|DeeJayI've tried sylvisj otherwise i would join a network i'm normally NEVER on to ask for sucht thing
13:18.19GuerinN|DeeJay: the answer is always going to be NO, since debian never issues official release date predictions
13:18.27epsilongotta go, brb
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13:18.42sylvisjGuerin, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it say on a few places on the Debian site that AMD64 is -not- official?
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13:19.12azeemsylvisj: it is as-official-as-it-gets-without-being-on-ftp.debian.org
13:19.12seesomebody running debian under VPC on a mac (powerbook)?
13:19.32jes-o-matsylvisj: It is still not off.
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13:20.13GroYice_1963, jm_ :you think it could be because of the 64bit arch that the nv driver dont work properly ?
13:20.17sylvisjI couldn't care if it was official or not, it being on the Debian site is enough for me. There is a nice warning, on there, though.
13:20.23IVSduring the installation in low memory mode, the base-system step fails because it "Failed to determine the codename of the release."... How can i fix this?
13:20.44sylvisjGroY: There are 64-bit nvidia drivers, and you can always use a chroot
13:20.57Nom--There's a low memory mode? LOL
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13:21.15HowitzerI was wondering
13:21.17IVSNom--, yeah, i'm that pathetic :-)
13:21.18GroYsylvisj: 64bit drivers from nvidia or the free ones ?
13:21.51Howitzeris there an option to download a -very- lightweight debian cd where all packages are already on?
13:21.58Howitzerno netinstall or anything
13:22.16Nom--ok using my trusty alsa for sound...
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13:23.03jes-o-matHowitzer: using jidgo maybe
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13:23.35sidhi all
13:23.47Howitzerjigdo?
13:23.51Guerinsylvisj: amd64 post-sarge will be official, until then it's technically unofficial, but has security support
13:24.00sidI need help, I need convert sql to diagram, someone?
13:24.02Guerinsylvisj: so it's sort of semi-official
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13:24.16sylvisjAwesome.
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13:25.54IVSNo-one knows how to aid the installer in determining the codename of the release?
13:25.59orlandiux2003hola
13:26.06orlandiux2003alguien aqui habla español
13:26.09fhffhqvb!es
13:26.10dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:26.45sidorlandiux2003,  yo si hablo espanol
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13:26.49sidorlandiux2003, dime
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13:27.00fhffhqvbsid: no.
13:27.09orlandiux2003hola
13:27.13sidfhffhqvb, why not, that man need help!!
13:27.21orlandiux2003soy novato en esto de ubunto
13:27.23fhffhqvbsid: there's a spanish channel.
13:27.26sidorlandiux2003, hola dime que te sucede?, cuentanos que pasa
13:27.32fhffhqvb!ubuntu
13:27.33dpkgi heard ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!)  http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879  Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or  Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian..
13:27.33fhffhqvbsid: do you want to be kicked?
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13:28.04orlandiux2003tengo el rarlinux-3.5.1.tar.gz
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13:28.07sidorlandiux2003, por favor accede al canal #ubuntu-es o #debian-es este canal es para usuarios de habla inglesa
13:28.12orlandiux2003y no se como instalarlo
13:28.27orlandiux2003ok
13:28.29orlandiux2003grax
13:28.31sidtar -xvz rarlinux-3.5.1.tar.gz
13:28.39RolandUhi all! anyone know where to set the date and time-format for mozilla calendar?
13:28.47sidorlandiux2003, luego accedes a la carpeta y haces make, make install
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13:29.15orlandiux2003sid
13:29.25orlandiux2003dime donde pongo ese dato
13:29.31orlandiux2003que me diste tar -xvz rarlinux-3.5.1.tar.gz
13:29.44GroYhow does it work for the 64bit port ? you have to use a specific installer, or the standard x86 will be enough ?
13:29.53fhffhqvbgr.
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13:30.06hans0loCan someone help me with an MX issue?
13:30.10sidorlandiux2003, lo colocas desde consola en la carpeta en donde tienes el archivo tar.gz
13:30.11hans0lowhen I do: dig mail.myhost.com mx   it returns the MX record
13:30.14hans0lowhen I do: dig myhost.com mx   it doesn't return the MX. is this normal?
13:30.16sidorlandiux2003, man tar
13:30.16fhffhqvb!es
13:30.16dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:30.45IVSAnd about that installer, how should it determine the release codename when installing the base system?
13:31.05siddpkg, I know, but I'm trying help he
13:31.28IVSsid, you can also do so in the spanish channel ;)
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13:31.33sidfhffhqvb, ok sorry
13:31.50orlandiux2003estoy
13:31.53sidIVS, yes, That's true, I'm sorry
13:31.58orlandiux2003buscando la consola
13:32.05cyzieanybody using gzgrep and/or gzcat? when i search using apt-cache, i dont see any result. anybody can help ?
13:32.06sidorlandiux2003, por favor accede a #velug, alli te ayudaran
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13:32.20orlandiux2003ok
13:32.22orlandiux2003gracias
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13:32.27orlandiux2003por que estoy
13:32.31orlandiux2003en cero
13:32.34orlandiux2003en este sistema
13:32.39orlandiux2003pero quiero aprender
13:32.44orlandiux2003me gussta
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13:32.56sidorlandiux2003, escribe ---->>> /jon #velug, o /join #debian-es , o /join #lugfi todos estos canales estan en espanol
13:33.11Guerincyzie: z, not gz
13:33.44orlandiux2003ok
13:33.46orlandiux2003gracias
13:33.49orlandiux2003ya estoy
13:33.52orlandiux2003bay
13:34.05sidorlandiux2003, bye
13:34.57cyzieGuerin, thanks! in solaris, it is gzgrep, gzcat :)
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13:35.08Guerincyzie: i blame sun
13:35.21borcohi
13:35.21cyzieGuerin, hehe. no curse :)
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13:36.38jes-o-matHi
13:36.42borcothere was a cmd-line tool for updating the debian/changelog file but i can't remember its name. any idea?
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13:37.05jes-o-matI'd like to perform an ldap query with more than 500 results. How?
13:37.06miguelalgun español¿?
13:37.36Ronin!es
13:37.36dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:38.20miguelweno adios
13:38.27miguelgood bey
13:38.28dagbrownBecause it's #debian, not #debian-en
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13:39.15Ronindagbrown: 5 seconds watching confirms its english, my next thought would be oh i bet theres a debian-insert language here channel
13:39.15goleagahello!
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13:40.47dagbrownRonin: My punishment this week for my sins involved Windows Server 2003 running in Microsoft Virtual PC, alongside an installation of Solaris, also running on Microsoft Virtual PC.
13:41.08petemcurgh
13:41.15petemccant have been much fun
13:41.22dagbrownI've been trying to forestall worse fates by answering newbie questions here.
13:41.30dagbrownYou know, as penance.
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13:42.56stumblesdoes anyone have any tips on reducing drive accesses in gnome? there are very few accesses without gnome started
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13:44.10stumbleslm-profiler isn't giving much help other than the files are being accessed by reiserfs/0
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13:45.50sidBecause that program import only from erwin XML Model and not from sql file
13:45.57sidI need convert sql to diagram
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13:46.40petemcsid: did you try dia?
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13:47.33ootputdagbrown: it isn't?
13:47.34sidpetemc, but I can't convert sql2dia
13:47.34rptcan anyone recommend a nice "tcl editor" with syntax (comments, procs etc) recognizion and bracket matching available from apt-get? :o)
13:47.52JediMasterhey guys, I'm having a few problems trying to get my USB sound blaster nx 2 to work... I've setup the alsa drivers, and it appears to load ok, however, I can't get any sound through the xmms alsa plug in (says there's no soundcards) however, it partially works through the OSS driver, but the audio is distorted (I think it's as it's setup as 48khz but playing at 44k)
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13:48.03IVSrpt, just use vim?
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13:48.26ootputJediMaster: alsamixer work?
13:48.34rptIVS: id like something with fancy colors, im a bit blind when it comes to source code :)
13:48.54IVSrpt, vim can have as fancy colors as you like...
13:48.57ootputrpt: syntax-hilighting
13:49.02rptoh that i didnt know
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13:49.17IVSrpt, vim can do anything, basically
13:49.27ootputrpt: may i ask which editor you're using atm?
13:49.40rptjust nano/pico, for c++ i use emacs tho
13:50.02IVSthen why not use emacs for tcl too?
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13:50.11dagbrownIVS: Toys for toys
13:50.17rptheheh
13:50.19ootputthe man wants some color in his life
13:50.32JediMasterootput: no errors from alsamixer
13:50.34rptya i like it fancy
13:50.37ootputrpt: i think there are ways to get color in nano
13:51.04rptsuppose so, but im also sure there are plenty of 'ready' editors that support tcl on the language level and also anything you would expect from a code editor
13:51.06JediMasterootput: appears to change the volume etc (not that I can test it yet)
13:51.23ootputJediMaster: the channels may still be muted though
13:51.38ootputJediMaster: also, instead of xmms, try to use another app that will interface directly
13:51.48ootputor as close as you can get.
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13:52.15ootputJediMaster: alsa has it's own player that you can mess around with
13:53.57JediMasterootput: what's it called?
13:54.44ootputJediMaster: a combination of alsa + player or alsa + play or a + play or a + player
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13:55.06ootputor similar :)
13:55.39sidplease someone I nees help for convert sql to diagram!!
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13:57.22coywolfhow qmail and vpopmail interact with each other?
13:57.24ootputJediMaster: if you were able to get oss, i don't think alsa will be too difficult
13:58.27JediMasterootput: no sound from alsaplayer
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13:59.03ootputJediMaster: do you have an onboard sound controller in addition to your usb setup?
13:59.09JediMasterno, fraid not
13:59.43ootputit would've been an impediment
13:59.50JediMasterI probably have a few old soundblaster cards in the loft but have to climb over too many boxes of cables to get to them =)
14:00.04JediMasteryes, I guess
14:00.27ootputwhich settings are available in xmms?
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14:00.50JediMasteralsaplayer is playing, but the time is going a little too quickly, and no sound, no errors
14:01.02JediMasterootput: alsa plugin settings?
14:01.07ootputJediMaster: yea
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14:01.38JediMasteraudio device, mixer card and mixer device
14:01.57JediMasterplus buffer time, period time, and xmms buffer time
14:02.18JediMasterby the way, it doesn't show the device under audio device, just default
14:02.26ootputJediMaster: i'm not sure if playback requires that you be in the audio group
14:02.41ootputJediMaster: try hw=0.0 in place of default
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14:03.09ootputJediMaster: or hw:0
14:03.15JediMaster"couldn't open audio... pleasy check that: your soundcard is configured... etc." same as before
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14:03.37JediMasterbtw, at one point, it showed the correct name in the device there, but it's not there now
14:04.03ootputwhat does your /etc/modprobe.d/sound show?
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14:04.30JediMasterdoesn't exist
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14:04.42JediMasterbut there is alsa-base and alsa-base-blacklist
14:04.54JediMasterand linux-sound-base_noOSS
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14:05.59ootputdoes alsaconfig help?
14:05.59yos87hi
14:06.08ootputsorry, that's alsaconf
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14:06.26yos87how can I see the help or the documentation of packages I did install
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14:07.41ootputJediMaster: http://metawire.org/~ootput/confs/etc/modules.d_alsa
14:07.46JediMasterootput: tried before with no luck, trying again.... it's unloaded the driver, and now it says there's no supported pnp/pci card and asks to probe ISA
14:08.02ootputJediMaster: yeah, sorry, i forgot that it's usb
14:08.03abrotmandoes the card show in lspci?
14:08.10abrotmanoh ..
14:08.16JediMasterit's usb =)
14:08.17ootputabrotman: :)
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14:08.24abrotmanlsusb?!?!!?!
14:08.26pipelineDoes the card show in lsusb, then?
14:08.33ootputJediMaster: the link i provided is my modprobe.d/sound
14:08.43JediMasteryes it does pipeline
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14:08.47ootputJediMaster: it's rather dated, and it caters to 2 cards
14:08.52JediMasterbus 001 device 005
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14:09.10ootputJediMaster: lsmod | grep usb
14:09.18abrotmanis anyone sure the alsa in that version of his kernel supports usb sound?
14:09.22yos87how can I see the help or the documentation of some packages I did install
14:09.36Nom--woot i got just about everything loading properly :)
14:09.41ootputJediMaster: yeah, he brought up a good point.. how did you go about getting alsa drivers on your system?
14:09.46abrotmanyos87: the man page .. or /usr/share/doc/<package>/
14:09.56coywolfany1 tell how qmail and vpopmail interact with each other?
14:10.00abrotmanyos87: also .. info pages
14:10.02abrotman!any1
14:10.02dpkg*** any1: No such nick/channel
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14:10.06coywolfany1 tell how MTA and vpopmail interact with each other?
14:10.09abrotman!any1
14:10.13ootput:/
14:10.21JediMasterootput: afraid it's the version that came with the kernel, and I have a feeling that could be fairly old on this machine
14:10.27abrotmanJediMaster: uname -a
14:10.29stewcoywolf: there should be no reason for an mta and a popserver to interact
14:10.30coywolfabrotman, btw how MTA and vpopmail interact with each other?
14:10.34ootputwhich Kernel
14:10.39abrotmancoywolf: nfc .. qmail sucks
14:10.44JediMasterootput: 2.6.8-2-386
14:10.45coywolfstew, i see, thanks
14:10.52abrotmanJediMaster: and your CPU is?
14:10.55coywolfabrotman, nfc?
14:11.00abrotman!nfc
14:11.00dpkgnfc is probably No Fucking Clue.  National Football Conference
14:11.11stewhe meant the latter
14:11.13sidI have a Error with mysql-workbench "error while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory", please Someone
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14:11.23coywolfstew, where vpopmail gets the mails?
14:11.29abrotmanstew: i did :)
14:11.29ootputahah
14:11.35ootputdon't be a target
14:11.40abrotmansid: is it installed?
14:11.43yos87abrotman: thank you alexander , all is there
14:11.47abrotmansid: on sarge?
14:11.55JediMasterabrotman: not sure, something old =) ... /proc/cpuinfo says duron 700 =)
14:11.57abrotmaneep .. i have a name!
14:12.03abrotmanJediMaster: that's a k7
14:12.08stewcoywolf: dunno, but if its like any other popserver, either from /var/spool/mail/$USER or from ~/Maildir
14:12.11JediMasteryeah
14:12.14garoI use a command like "ifconfig eth0 1.2.3.4 ; ifconfig eth0:1 1.2.3.5" to get 2 ip's on 1 interface. How can i place this in /etc/network/interfaces ?
14:12.14sidabrotman, yes sid
14:12.22JediMasterworth changing the kernel though/
14:12.25abrotman!find libpcre.so sid
14:12.36dpkgDebian Search of 'libpcre.so' (2): (/usr/lib/libpcre.so) in libdevel/libpcre3-dev ;; (/usr/lib/{libpcre.so.3|libpcre.so.3.12.0}) in libs/libpcre3.
14:12.38abrotmanJediMaster: could be ..
14:12.52coywolfstew, if the MTA is qmail, where vpopmail get mails? spool?
14:12.53abrotmansid: you need libpcre3 .. but you'll have to symlink to .0
14:13.00sidabrotman, that's already installed
14:13.03coywolfstew, what other popservers are there?
14:13.15faber2what is /dev/pts/0 ??
14:13.29abrotmansid: man ln .. you'll have to symlink libpcre.so.3 to libpcre.so.0
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14:13.40abrotmancoywolf: apt-cache search pop3
14:14.04stewcoywolf: i don't know about vpopmail specifically, it should hopefully not care which, and it would depend on where you want it and where your MDA puts it
14:14.16sidabrotman, ok
14:14.33abrotmansid: and it may or may not work .. what are you trying to run ?
14:14.50coywolfstew, what pop3 server you know well?
14:14.54coywolfstew, or you use
14:14.59sidabrotman, mysql-workbench
14:15.06abrotmansid: is that in debian ?
14:15.09stewcoywolf: courier, but i recommend dovecot over courier
14:15.13tijnwho know a good samba + ldap howto?
14:15.14sidabrotman, yes Debian sid
14:15.45abrotman!depends mysql-workbench sid
14:15.53ootputJediMaster: according to http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix , it should be supported. you'd need to follow the generic usb-audio guide
14:15.59abrotmansid: what's the package called?
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14:16.22buht-wasg, u here?
14:16.30abrotman!u
14:16.31dpkgDamnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
14:16.36sidabrotman, Nothing, I downloaded that from a ftp because apt-cache search not found that
14:16.47dako_otenhello all, may I ask what is the default group/permission for the mbox file in /var/mail/<user> ?   thx.
14:16.51abrotmansid: so it's not in sid
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14:17.09sidabrotman, exactly
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14:17.24abrotmanyou said it was :)
14:17.38soup__isn't there a cisco tool for testing network throughput?
14:17.39abrotmansid: so where did you get the package?
14:17.47abrotmansoup__: wrong channel ?
14:18.04sidabrotman, wait a Seccond I am searching that
14:18.05ootputJediMaster: you can skip the sections that precedes "Setting up modprobe and kmod support"
14:18.24soup__abrotman: know of any tools to test network speed/latency?
14:18.28sidabrotman, here ftp://ftp.mysql.com/pub/mysql/download/mysql-workbench-1.0.0-alpha-linux-i386.tar.gz
14:18.39abrotmansid: so you had to compile it ?
14:18.44abrotmansoup__: ping ?
14:18.59nixiemtr
14:19.09nixiethroughput, ftp?
14:19.10nixie:)
14:19.12soup__hrm
14:19.21Nom--hmmm what packages has the "x includes" ? :P
14:19.21abrotmannixie: nc!!!
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14:19.27sidabrotman, yes
14:19.37abrotmanNom--: which version of debian?
14:19.41abrotmansid: when did you compile it?
14:19.42Nom--stable
14:19.43nixiecat /dev/random | nc -something should work fine, yes
14:19.44sidabrotman, that is a binary version
14:19.51abrotmansid: then you didn't compile it
14:19.51buht-wanyone ever seen this with starting X (xorg)? pciReadWord: Alignment error: Cannot read 16 bits at offset 73  ... i run etch 2.6.15.4 , and have tried numerous kernels.. i think its package related but ive also removed and reloaded those too
14:19.53ootputethereal can be pretty simple
14:19.58ootputbut not nearly as flexible
14:20.19sidabrotman, exactly, sorry
14:20.40sidabrotman, Maybe the source version ?
14:21.03abrotmansid: probably .. or try the symlink
14:21.34sidok abrotman , I will try compilate the source version
14:21.45JediMasterthanks ootput, will try it now
14:22.09abrotmansid: is there an RFP for it?
14:22.22Nom--abrotman: stable i'm running (so it's still xfree86)
14:22.33abrotmanxlibs-dev i think is what you want
14:22.55Nom--figures...meh another 16MB to download
14:23.05abrotmanNom--: what are you compiling?
14:23.10sidabrotman, whatis RFP ?
14:23.15Nom--some kde themes
14:23.16abrotman!rfp
14:23.16dpkgi heard rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: "
14:23.25ootputJediMaster: good luck
14:23.27abrotmanNom--: you need the X headers to use a theme?
14:23.37Nom--to build it from sources, yes
14:23.39abrotmanis chealer9 awake yet?
14:23.47abrotmanNom--: that seems .. crazy :)
14:24.09Nom--I thought so too
14:24.10Nom--I gotta find a decent font
14:24.11sidabrotman, no
14:24.15ootputNom--: how complicated must the themes be?
14:24.16Nom--this one is driving me crazy
14:24.22Nom--shrug
14:24.22abrotmansid: no what? oh .. you can make one
14:24.32fokshi
14:24.34sidabrotman, wait me, yes I go to make that
14:24.43abrotmansid: uhm .. ok
14:25.31Nom--doh silly backports
14:26.12dako_otenI'm getting an error in Evolution: "error while storing account: spool://var/mail". Ive setup an account in evo for my local spool. "Server Type: Standard Unix mbox spool or directory"...
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14:26.31dako_oten.. so may I ask what is the default group/permission for the mbox file in /var/mail/<user> ?
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14:26.56memichi
14:27.15memicanybody knows why my sas device is called sdi not sda?
14:27.31abrotmanbecause there are 10 other scsi devices?
14:27.47tijn:)
14:27.51dimir8!
14:27.51memicno
14:27.59memicthats the point
14:28.10memici have 2 disc as raid
14:28.18memicshould be only one devices
14:28.23memicbut its called sdi
14:28.25dimirBut there is a free bus for 8 and you us the second.
14:28.31dimirs/us/use/
14:28.37dimirs/us /use /
14:28.41dimirdamn
14:28.51dimirs/us t/use t/
14:28.52dimirthere!
14:28.53dimir:-)
14:29.25memicahh
14:29.27memicdammn
14:29.29memicthx for that
14:29.50JediMasterootput: hmmm still no luck, maybe it would be easier to try and change the sample rate on the oss device?
14:29.53dimirWell, that was just a guess. :-)
14:30.19JediMasterootput: and to make things more difficult we've got a baby shark that is trying to hatch from it's egg lol
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14:30.42Nom--What's a good media player for linux these days :P
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14:31.46JediMasterootput: lol now oss won't work
14:32.04ootputJediMaster: hang on a second
14:32.25JediMasterootput: kk
14:32.27ootputJediMaster: what on earth are you doing with a shark egg?
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14:32.42JediMasterootput: I own an exotic pet shop
14:32.46ootputoh
14:32.49JediMaster=)
14:33.06JediMastergot a 5ft x 3ft x 2ft tank ready for him
14:33.08ootputthought it was related to some sort of computer-voodoo-ritual
14:33.08ryaniumhow do you stop XDM from starting up on boot?
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14:33.27abrotman!tell ryanium about nodm
14:33.31JediMasterootput: nah that's what the 12 snakes we have are for
14:33.48ootputfreak
14:34.02JediMasterlol j/k =)
14:34.17sid./configure for mysql-workbench show that error :( "configure: error: Could not find mysql_config script. Make sure the mysql client libraries are installed"
14:34.17ootputJediMaster: did you use the settings suggested on that guide?
14:34.18JediMasterbut do have 12 snakes though
14:34.26sidabrotman, ./configure for mysql-workbench show that error :( "configure: error: Could not find mysql_config script. Make sure the mysql client libraries are installed
14:34.34ootputJediMaster: are you in Australia
14:34.43abrotmansid: you probably need like libmysql15-dev or something like that
14:34.44JediMasterootput: mostly, I didnt' change the modutils.conf as it already had a hole load of alsa settings in there that looked pretty similar
14:35.00sidabrotman, ok I go to install that library
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14:35.03abrotman!find mysql-config sid
14:35.16dpkgDebian Search of 'mysql-config' (3): (/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/ja-html/LIDS-FAQ/mysql-config.html) in doc/doc-linux-ja-html ;; (/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO/mysql-config.html) in doc/doc-linux-html ;; (/usr/share/doc/fml/html/English/examples/mysql-config.ph, /usr/share/doc/fml/html/Japanese/examples/mysql-config.ph) in doc/fml-doc.
14:35.29abrotmanthat didn't help
14:35.37ootputJediMaster: oh, the only files that should be of any interest to you would be /etc/modprobe.d/sound (this is where that alsaconf util keeps it's results,) and possibly ~/.asoundrc
14:35.38abrotman!find mysql_config sid
14:35.45ootputJediMaster: sorry, i forgot to mention it earlier
14:35.47dpkgDebian Search of 'mysql_config' (1): (/usr/bin/mysql_config) in libdevel/libmysqlclient10-dev,libdevel/libmysqlclient15-dev,libdevel/libmysqlclient12-dev.
14:35.52sidabrotman, apt-cache search mysql-config
14:35.58sidabrotman, not found
14:36.11abrotmansid: apt-file search mysql_config .. apt-file is a great tool
14:36.32sidabrotman, XD
14:36.33JediMasterootput: there's no /etc/modprobe.d/sound file at the moment
14:36.57sidabrotman, bash: apt-file: command not found
14:37.11abrotmansid: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update
14:37.13ootputJediMaster: that's probably because you aborted the alsaconf
14:37.21ootputJediMaster: you could use mine as a template
14:37.35ootputJediMaster: http://metawire.org/~ootput/confs/etc/modules.d_alsa <= for a plantronics usb headset
14:37.42sidabrotman, ok
14:38.42JediMasterootput: ok, thanks
14:39.28ootputJediMaster: i'm feeling a bit generous tonight : http://jedimaster.pastebin.com/566763
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14:39.47sidabrotman, apt-file update --->>> "sh: curl: command not found
14:39.47sid"
14:40.01abrotmansid: install it .. file a bug on apt-file .. curl should be a dependency apparently
14:40.08abrotmansid: apt-get install curl
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14:40.29abrotmansid: erm .. nm .. many bugs already filed :)
14:40.34ryanium_abrotman, one more time ? :| lol
14:40.44JediMasterootput: for the "sound" file?
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14:40.47sidabrotman, yes, thanx
14:40.50ootputJediMaster: yep
14:40.54abrotman!tell ryanium_ about nodm
14:41.10JediMasterootput: just restart alsa then?
14:41.12bitstreamhi, i'm using sarge, can't get nice fonts in kpdf, any ideas?
14:41.15ootputJediMaster: yeah
14:41.23abrotmanask #debian-kde ?
14:41.34sidabrotman, aptitude file update is starting
14:41.34ryanium_thx
14:41.34ryanium_brb
14:41.38ootputJediMaster: pay attention to the output
14:41.47bitstreamok thank you
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14:41.57JediMasterootput: do I need to load the usb-snd-audio again as alsaconf seems to have unloaded it
14:42.11JediMasterootput: as alsa says there's no modules to load now lol
14:42.15sidabrotman, sorry apt-file update is starting, 41 %
14:42.20abrotmanheh
14:42.38abrotmansid: apt-file really is a great tool to have .. once you learn how to use it .. it's fantastic
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14:42.46JediMasterer snd-usb-audio even
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14:43.04ootputJediMaster: oh
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14:44.00Aapsry , i got disconnected
14:44.10ootputJediMaster: modprobe snd-card-usb-audio ?
14:44.16fireba11abrotman: also, it got super-cow powers ;-)
14:44.24abrotmanapt-file does?
14:44.38JediMasterootput: you mean snd-usb-audio?
14:44.40abrotmanit does not
14:44.58ootputJediMaster: i'm trying to figure out how recent your alsa package is
14:45.01JediMasterootput: did that and alsa restarted ok and loaded the rest of the modules
14:45.10fireba11abrotman: apt-get --help says so :-)
14:45.14JediMasterootput: don't have that module you just said
14:45.19Nom--ah slaps self silly
14:45.21abrotmanfireba11: read what i said .. apt-file .. not apt-get :)
14:45.21ootputJediMaster: add snd-usb-audio to /etc/modules
14:45.31ootputJediMaster: ok, it's a newer source
14:45.32Nom--now i remember...need to use arTs output in XMMS to stop things keeling over
14:45.33JediMasterootput: have arleady
14:45.47ootputJediMaster: does alsamixer function still?
14:45.51JediMasterootput: but alsaconf unloaded it heh
14:45.58JediMasteryes
14:46.02Nom--(It's been /too/ long since I ran linux as a desktop) :/
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14:46.14JediMasterootput: and it finds the right card
14:46.14sidabrotman, that process is very slow
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14:46.22abrotmansid: it is .. sorry :)
14:46.26fireba11abrotman: dang
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14:46.34dubis__bonjour
14:46.37abrotman!find mysql_config sid
14:46.37jpascualh colo
14:46.38dubis__hello
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14:46.45dpkgDebian Search of 'mysql_config' (1): (/usr/bin/mysql_config) in libdevel/libmysqlclient10-dev,libdevel/libmysqlclient15-dev,libdevel/libmysqlclient12-dev.
14:46.47abrotmansid: ^^
14:47.02brosiozanyone known a tool for secure delete that overwrite the file that i want to delete with random 0 and 1 ?
14:47.22abrotman!dban
14:47.22dpkgi heard dban is http://dban.sf.net/ Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers. DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction.
14:47.25ootputJediMaster: in alsamixer, go to Master and PCM
14:47.26jfsbrosioz: shred
14:47.33ootputJediMaster: make sure neither are muted
14:47.36jpascualmoro
14:47.44JediMasterootput: well oss sort of works again, but it's serisouly distorted (I read it's because the card runs at 48khz not 44k)
14:47.50buht-whelp, i am stuck in a unique situation where apt-get install php4 (which added a ton of other packages) is failing, then apt-get -f install is also returning errors....  sometimes i see an update-alternatives and dont know what that is
14:47.51ootputJediMaster: make sure not to use alsaconf again
14:47.51brosiozthx
14:47.52abrotmanbrosioz: oh wait .. ignore mine .. i thought you meant a disk .. not a file :)
14:48.05sidabrotman, "configure: error: Could not find mysql_config script. Make sure the mysql client libraries are installed"
14:48.07JediMasterootput: all un-muted now at max volume
14:48.08ootputJediMaster: you'd need to use a similar .asoundrc to mine
14:48.09buht-wgnome-session and sawfish-gnome seem to be tied to my apt-get update/install errors
14:48.09dubis__When I try ssh localhost
14:48.09abrotmandban is a good way to kill a disk
14:48.09dubis__<PROTECTED>
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14:48.11Nom--bonsoir
14:48.25abrotmansid: did you install libmysqlclient{10|12|15}-dev ?
14:48.29ootputJediMaster: i had similar probs with my usb sound card
14:48.45sidabro, ok i go agayn
14:49.10JediMasterootput: the all american rejects have very croaky voices now =)
14:49.32sidabrotman, yes
14:49.32jfsabrotman: i like wipe, too (:. never used dban
14:49.34ootputJediMaster: ahha
14:49.41sidabrotman, Now Install that?
14:49.46abrotmanjfs: if it's good enough for DoD .. good enough for me :)
14:49.49JediMasterootput: .... OSS still...
14:49.57ootputJediMaster: give this a shot (~/.asoundrc) http://jedimaster.pastebin.com/566784
14:50.08abrotmansid: install one of them i suppose .. probably depends which version of libmysqlclient you have installed
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14:50.21ootputJediMaster: and in xmms->alsa plugin: use 'plant' as the device name
14:50.45sidabrotman, Ok, I go
14:51.07JediMasterootput: where do you put the .asoundrc file? in the user that it logged in, or in /root/ ?
14:51.20buht-wwhat is this, during an apt-install on gnome-session (update-alternatives: --slave only allowed with --install)
14:51.22ootputJediMaster: the user that'll be using xmms
14:51.33ootputJediMaster: in his ~/
14:51.37JediMasterahhh
14:53.13ootputimpaled by snakes?
14:53.36JediMasterootput: wooo! 90% there now
14:54.09JediMasterootput: it shows up with the correct name, however... still getting the same distortion as with OSS
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14:54.51JediMasterso it actually plays now, just the whole 44/48khz problem
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14:55.29kspathwow PHP has infected so many things and people.  OUT DAMN SPOT OUT!
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14:55.58SonnyHi, I mounted a NFS directory shared, but I cant write in it..... why not? I wrote in /etc/exports (rw)
14:56.14ootputpee ache pee
14:56.40ootputJediMaster: try changing 'rate 48000' to 'rate 44000' in .asoundrc
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14:57.07sidabrotman, look, that show when ./configure http://pastebin.com/566794
14:57.09ootputruby would be my weapon of choice
14:57.19JediMasterootput: was just trying that
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14:57.41ootputJediMaster: you're not running this out of a usb hub, by any chance?
14:57.41JediMasterootput: same distortion
14:57.49JediMasterootput: no, directly connected
14:58.06JediMasterootput: saw lots of comments about this problem with alsa on this card though
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14:58.25abrotmansid: you'll need something like libxml2-dev .. not exactly sure what it's called
14:58.29abrotman!find libxml sid
14:58.31dpkgDebian Package Listing of 'libxml' (15 of 92): libxml++1.0-dev ;; libxml++1.0-doc ;; libxml++1.0c2a ;; libxml++2.6-1c2a ;; libxml++2.6-dev ;; libxml++2.6-doc ;; libxml-atom-perl ;; libxml-autowriter-perl ;; libxml-catalog-perl ;; libxml-checker-perl ;; libxml-commons-resolver1.1-java ;; libxml-commons-resolver1.1-java-doc ;; libxml-csv-perl ;; libxml-dev ;; libxml-dom-perl.
14:58.36ootputJediMaster: the .asoundrc that you're using now is dmix-enabled
14:58.44abrotmanyeah .. one of the 92!
14:58.48ootputJediMaster: dmix may be the culprit too, so don't rule that out
14:58.58abrotmansid: same with glib ..
14:58.59sidabrotman, ok igo
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14:59.11sidabrotman, ok thanx i go
14:59.34JediMasterootput: dmix?
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15:00.32ootputJediMaster: refer to the guide again, and check out "The .asoundrc file"  Dmix allows multiple audio streams.
15:00.47abrotmansid: you would use apt-file search glib-2.0.pc
15:01.02abrotmansid: or apt-file search libxml-2.0.pc
15:01.24JediMasterootput: brb
15:01.24ootputJediMaster: cp ~/.asoundrc ~/.asoundrc-dmix_enabled
15:01.39sidabrotman, ok I go to install that
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15:02.52sidabrotman, libglib2.0-dev: usr/lib/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc
15:03.03abrotmansounds right
15:05.00sidabrotman, libxml2-dev: usr/lib/pkgconfig/libxml-2.0.pc
15:05.34abrotmanseems ok ..
15:05.42madazuluhrm, when i mount a second partition i can only acess it as root, what to do? :~
15:05.43Unityis there a video screen capturing thing for X?
15:05.55abrotmanmadazulu: what is the FS type?
15:06.05madazuluabrotman: ext2
15:06.14abrotmanwhat are the perms on the mount point?
15:06.30sidabroman, the files are in libglib2.0-dev: usr/lib/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc and libxml2-dev: usr/lib/pkgconfig/libxml-2.0.pc, now?
15:06.34petemcUnity: you can do some stuff with vnc2swf or perhaps vnc2avi, i dont know any others tho
15:06.36madazululemme see
15:07.05kspathI love when someone thinks they are doing something smart by creating a CMS/Forum/Blog review site but they do not bother to list the tools used to develop them like it does not matter.
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15:07.33abrotmansid: apparently .. install those .. try to compile again
15:08.01madazuludrw-rw-rw- root root
15:08.03kspatheven worse, you go the site for a CMS and you have to search for 5-10 minutes to find out if they use perl or python or ruby or php. STRANGE
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15:08.41sidabrotman, http://pastebin.com/566814
15:09.35sidabrotman, where're PKG_CONFIG_PATH ?
15:10.05ootputJediMaster: i'm off to bed. try using : http://jedimaster.pastebin.com/566817
15:11.04abrotmansid: no freaking clue
15:11.23abrotmansid: as root `updatedb && locate libxml-2.0.pc`
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15:12.37abrotmansid: oh wait .. i see
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15:13.24sidabrotman, ok
15:13.40abrotmansid: hmr. . that's not ..
15:13.45abrotmansid: you installed both those?
15:13.58sidboth those?
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15:14.46nvzbah this damn dvd player is pisssing me off
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15:16.01nvzis there some easy way to copy a DVD (video) with only one drive?
15:16.09buht-wguys i need help getting X to start, i dont know what is going on and have tried numerous kernels... i get this error when starting X   pciReadWord: Alignment error: Cannot read 16 bits at offset 73 (fatal Error)  --- #xorg isnt responding at all :( thought id look for a guru here
15:16.22pieppih
15:16.27abrotmansid:  libglib2.0-dev and libxml2-dev
15:16.33abrotmannvz: dd
15:16.45nvzabrotman: dd isnt going to burn a dvd
15:16.57nvzI've never burned a dvd and even I know that
15:17.03sidabrotman, If it installs them, but segun pastebin that I have sent to you is an path error
15:17.07abrotmannvz: no .. but you can use the resulting image to burn a dvd
15:17.13nvzI need to make a copy of this memorial DVD of my aunt to show it to someone
15:17.16petemcnvz: copy a pressed dvd movie to a dvdr?
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15:17.25abrotmansid: uhm .. maybe you have to logoutlogin ?
15:17.26javiolohi
15:17.28nvzpetemc: the original is a DVR too
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15:17.40orlandiux2003s
15:17.42PalithiusI have a server running Debian AMD64 Sarge with two AMD opterons. when I cat /proc/cpuinfo I only see 1 processor
15:17.45javiolois there any program like dreamweaver for linux?
15:17.48petemcnvz: ah, then k3b, or growisofs
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15:18.05Palithiusperhaps I am mistaken? is there any way to be absolutely sure?
15:18.05nvzpetemc: my cousin owns this company http://www.customemoriez.com
15:18.06HealotPalithius, did you install the SMP kernel?
15:18.09sidabrotman, logout?
15:18.09boycerPalithius: which kernel package do you have installed?
15:18.11nvzpetemc: its a dvd he made of his mother
15:18.20Healotor did you install the regular one CPU kernel?
15:18.22Palithius>boycer not sure, how do I check
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15:18.28PalithiusI guess I installed the one CPU kernel
15:18.34Palithiusdo I need to recompile the kernel?
15:18.39Healotyeah, that's the mistake
15:18.40nvzdamn thing made me cry and I only watched like 1/6 of it and she died when I was like 3
15:18.49Healotno, Palithius, just download the SMP kernel
15:19.07abrotmansid: you know .. logout .. then login
15:19.09Healotchoose to boot with the SMP kernel on restart
15:19.19sidabrotman, ok I go
15:19.19Palithiusok thanks =
15:19.20Palithius=)
15:19.41Healotdl the source if you need customization though
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15:19.47sidabrotman, exit
15:19.54javiolois there any program like dreamweaver for linux?
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15:20.15fireba11javiolo: you don't want to use dreamweaver anyway ^^
15:20.15nvzpetemc: would k3b be able to image the source disk too I wonder?
15:20.43nailchipperfireba11: nvu
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15:20.48javiolofireball why ?
15:20.55petemcnvz: i believe so, yeah
15:21.04fireba11javiolo: the html it generates is hideous
15:21.33javiolowell I mean something alike
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15:21.48javiolobut I always work in both modes
15:21.51littleballhello, when linux start, how to set the userid to user other than root before the /etc/init.d/.... is started?
15:21.58Healotjaviolo, anyways, there is no dreamweaver equivalent
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15:22.11Healotbut there is other substitute HTML editors for linux
15:22.14nvztrying to pitch this business my cousin runs at the Rev. I work with to raise money for the community center we are trying to put together at his church
15:22.19buht-wany xserver-xorg gurus here? i get pciReadWord errors on start of X
15:22.21javiolohealot any decent html editor ?
15:22.36Healottry Screem or nVU
15:22.43Wanderergah, no efnet servers
15:22.44Wandererwtf
15:22.47HealotnVU is decent :)
15:22.56javioloI used to work on a texteditor but sometimes you need more..
15:23.00kspathVIM
15:23.05sidabrotman, the error is showing agayn
15:23.14Healotyeah, nVU is a WYSIWYG editor...
15:23.20Guerinjaviolo: emacs
15:23.24Healottry nVU, i'd say
15:23.25abrotmansid: perhaps try re-unpacking the source
15:23.45abrotmansid: remove the source tree .. then unpack again
15:24.21nvzreun.. heh
15:24.24nvzyou yinzer
15:24.26sidabrotman, excuse me, but Can you help me with that?
15:24.28javioloyep I prefer nvu :)
15:24.43nvzI prefer nvz
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15:25.08nvzits better than nvu it can even edit when the power goes out
15:25.10abrotmansid: use rm to remove the tree .. then use tar to reunpack it
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15:25.48javiolonvz website?
15:25.58nvzheh
15:26.05sidreunpack what?
15:26.24nvzhttp://www.get-a-sense-of-humor.com
15:26.29javiolooh
15:26.36javiolo...
15:26.57sidabrotman, that is mysql-workbench source code ?
15:27.02Healotjaviolo, apt-get install nvu (3.1 and above)
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15:27.12sidrm mysql-workbench ?
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15:27.31abrotmansid: i assume so .. i don't know what it's called
15:27.38javioloHwalot yep, do nvu supports css >
15:27.49sidabrotman, XD
15:27.53abrotmandon't forget bluefish!
15:28.42Healotjaviolo, yes, it does... it was based on Mozilla Composer... it does support script/CSS
15:29.13javioloHealot thanks
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15:29.44sidabrotman, yes
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15:30.19sidabrotman, help me please
15:30.20kippihey
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15:30.24Jasmine[LK]=D Hia :) Does anyone know how to find your computers serial number and product number through console on LInux? Please don't look at me like i'm an imbecile ><
15:30.27kippihow would I install XML::Parser ?
15:30.30sidabrotman, I'm a old unix user
15:30.32metaperlI need a tool that allows me to specify the nodes of a tree and then have it draw it for me in png or some graphical format
15:30.42nixieJasmine[LK]: pretty much impossible.
15:30.50metaperlkippi: maybe best just to perl -MCPANPLUS -e 'install XML::Parser'
15:30.53Jasmine[LK]well damn. Lol
15:30.53jahihi, can i rename files with find and awk/sed??
15:30.58metaperlkippi: instead of using Debian pkg
15:31.04abrotmansid: then you should know how to use rm to delete a tree and reunpack a tar file
15:31.07nixieJasmine[LK]: unless it's an A brand, then there might be a chance, but that'd still be far from trivial
15:31.22javioloHealot I dont see it via synaptic Im usign the testing version
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15:31.31Jasmine[LK]A brand?
15:31.42nixiecompaq/dell servers. A brand.
15:31.43fokskippi: apt-get install libxml-parser-perl ?
15:31.47Healotsure, nvu is in the universe section
15:31.50sidabrotman, yes but I'nt kown wich rm and reunpack
15:31.51Jasmine[LK]I have a HP
15:31.55Jasmine[LK]a810n ?
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15:32.03sidabrotman, wich file
15:32.05Healotyou must have the default package list, I think, javiolo
15:32.11Healottry apt-setup first
15:32.14sidambrose, I go to google
15:32.42HealotJasmine[LK], that's machine specific, anyways. try lspci
15:32.42nixieJasmine[LK]: you'd need some tool that reads data from the bios. google might help. but if you're at the console, why not reboot and check the bios for the product/serial?
15:32.47jahiI want to do something like: find ./ -type f -exec mv '{}' "{}without leading characters"
15:32.51Healotif you can see any numbers in there
15:33.01javioloHealot ok
15:33.23Jasmine[LK]I could.. try that :)_
15:33.35Jasmine[LK]I shall return if I can't find it : P
15:33.39kippifoks: will that install XML::Generator ?
15:33.40kspath!lart PHP
15:33.59sidambrose, zcat project.tar.Z | tar xvf - ?
15:34.17fokskippi: dunno, install XML::Parser and see it that installs XML::Generator
15:35.00sidunpack = descompress, oh ook, sorry my englisj is slow
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15:35.00fokskippi: if not you'll have to install libxml-generator-perl
15:35.01sidambrose, wait me
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15:40.04nvzahh, wtf I just copied this DVD with k3b DVD > Copy Dvd and I put it into the dvd player and it says no disc. how the hell do I put a perfectyl good working dvd in and hit copy and I get a coaster :P
15:40.22davi_What deb package should I install to get gaim with gtalk support ?
15:41.01nvzdavi_: from what I read like a few days ago on my gmail gtalk isnt even available outside gmail much less in debian
15:41.27lixczhi all, does anyone knows how to config vsftpd access in sub net way like vsftpd:192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0:setenv VSFTPD_LOAD_CONF /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.1.conf? i tried but it doesn't work
15:41.28buht-wwhat the hell is a "pciReadWord: Alignment error" when starting X? a driver, a physician hardware problem, a compiler problem?
15:41.28nvzI could be wrong but when I seen it a few days ago it was a brand new feature and the client wasnt even out yet
15:41.29jahihow do i replace filenames loke foo.bar.xxx.xml to xxx.xml?
15:41.38johnsu01nvz: You can use google talk w/bitlbee, or other jabber clients
15:41.39davi_thanks for the feedback nvz
15:42.05sidambrose, I need deb-make for pack the source, but I can't find deb-make look "apt-get install deb-make
15:42.05sid" <<--- deb-make not found
15:42.11nvzjohnsu01: so then maybe you can answer his question? tell him its jabber compliant and where to find info on what server name..etc to use
15:43.00nvzthis is just baffling me. I dont know why I copied a DVD and got a coaster.. if you copy a dvd I would think you would get another dvd
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15:43.05johnsu01davi_: I able to connect with google talk people using bitlbee and my irc client (see http://www.bitlbee.org). Not the voice stuff, though.
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15:43.51davi_thanks johnsu01. I am going to check right now
15:44.01johnsu01davi_: And there's a debian package for bitlbee if you want to run your own server on your local machine, which is how a lot of people do it.
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15:44.14javioloHealot looks like nvu its no avaible on my repos
15:44.21thingfishI hate to admit it, but I just don't even bother trying to burn anything in linux anymore.
15:44.28nvzheh
15:44.30Healotdid you do apt-get setup?
15:44.55javiolohealot invalid operation
15:45.12AlteregoCould someone help me out getting my system bootable. I compiled a custom kernel, obviously I can't use the initrd supplied. How can I get it to find my root partition?
15:45.37nvzI've never had a problem before now.. I see "Writing successfully finished", "Successfully written DVD copy 1.", "Removed image file /tmp/kde-nvz...." and I got a master DVD+R that plays and a copy DVD+R that does not
15:45.47AlteregoI'm getting an error along the lines of 'VFS: Unable to mount root partition'
15:45.57Healotwhat command cause that?
15:46.51abrotmanAlterego: you missed an option when compiling your kernel
15:46.51nvzHealot: thats one of them things "If you have to ask, dont"
15:47.13Alteregoabrotman, could you elaborate on what I may have missed? I know it's not ext3fs support :)
15:47.38nvzits obviously error stated alone a kernel message, but with the context saying his kernel doesn boot its even more obvious
15:47.38javiolohealot any idea ?
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15:47.46nvzunless you were talking to someone else
15:47.50Healotjaviolo here the direct dl page http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=nvu&searchon=names&subword=1&version=breezy&release=all
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15:47.55nvzin which case you should address them to avoid confusion :P
15:48.06abrotmanAlterego: could be your ide driver
15:48.08Healotthere are direct link to nvu package
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15:48.14Alteregoabrotman, it mentioned something about unkown block device (0,0)
15:48.24AlteregoAh, that would explain it.
15:48.29abrotmanHealot: this is not an ubuntu support channel
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15:48.40javiolohealot isnt that for ubuntu?
15:48.46Healotooops, wrong channe;
15:49.01Healoti was seeing double
15:49.08JediMasterootput: still getting distorted sound with alsa and oss, even when I try changing the rate to 44100
15:49.23nvzjaviolo: are you using sarge?
15:49.39javiolonvz im on testing dont know how its called
15:49.43nvz!info nvu etch
15:49.46abrotman!info nvu etcch
15:49.49abrotman!retch
15:49.56javiolook etch
15:50.01nvzthere is no nvu in etch it says
15:50.09nvzlet me double check the package name
15:50.15nvz!find bin/nvu$
15:50.16abrotmanthere is an nvu at backports.org
15:50.22abrotman!info nvu sid
15:50.25dpkgDebian Search of 'bin/nvu' (1): (/usr/bin/nvu) in web/nvu.
15:50.35nvzyep its called nvu, and its not in etch
15:50.56javioloI though with testing you get the latest packages...
15:51.04javioloI though with etch you get the latest packages...
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15:51.07nvzyou could probably d/l the sid package with wget and install it.. though I am not certain.. lets see
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15:51.13nvz!depends nvu
15:51.18dpkgnvu: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.0.2-2), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.5), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libidl0, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.10.3), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxi6, libxinerama1, libxp6, libxrandr2, libxrender1 (>= 1:0.9.0.2), libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1)
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15:51.51abrotman!why is nvu not in testing
15:51.51dpkgnvu is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvu
15:52.25abrotmanmight be easier to get it from backports.org
15:52.32nvzlooks like the sid package will work in etch at first glance. I would fetch it manually and dpkg -i to avoid accidentally mixing sources
15:52.33javiolonvu is only 2 days old. It must be 10 days old to go in.
15:52.47javiolothat mean in 8 day i could get it ?
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15:52.52nvzheh
15:53.17javiolo?
15:53.54nvzoh well looks like I am gonna have to round up a windows machine to burn this dvd cause I dont know whit about this, and I dont have time in my life to waste on burning coasters
15:54.32javiolo!why is vlc not in testing
15:54.32dpkgvlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc
15:54.37abrotmannvz: i told oyu .. use dd .. make an image .. use that image to make copies
15:54.48abrotman!oyu
15:54.48nvzthis is an issue I dont have the foggiest idea how to troubleshoot. when a program tells me it successfully copied a DVD I am to believe I can put it into my DVD PLAYER and get the same result
15:54.54dpkgi heard oyu is because abrotman can't type "you" to save his life
15:55.13nvzabrotman: I dont know how to use dd or how to burn a dvd.. opening K3b and hitting copy dvd was easy
15:55.15cisselol
15:55.21nvzabrotman: just like it would be on a windows box
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15:55.36abrotmannvz: dd if=<dvd device> of=<file>.iso
15:55.39Healotjaviolo, why don;t you just dl the source and compile it?
15:55.52cissenvz: are you trying to copy a data dvd or movie ?
15:56.02javioloHealot Im not a friendo of that but Ill check
15:56.02nvzabrotman: I am not going to let a box of hippie programmed software waste more of my time when I have no way of telling what went wrong the first time :P
15:56.08nvzcisse: a movie
15:56.17abrotmannvz: hippie!
15:57.00nvzabrotman: if I knew what happened the first time I would consider trying to correct it.. but since I dont know where in the process the fault lies for all I know my kernel could have a bug that will generate a coaster every time
15:57.14Healotwaiting for nvu to port on debian takes time...
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15:57.51nvzI dont feel like going and getting the dvd back after I already returned it because I thought I had it imaged.. and then wasting another CD and 10 minutes or more to make another coaster.. that will only lead to PC abuse
15:58.13thingfishhehe
15:58.24Healotif the package;s not in repos, i rather 'alien'ated the package first...
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15:58.30nvzthingfish: :)
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15:59.33nvzits late, I am tired I am about to say fuck it and either use the shittier dvd I have as a presentation or asking to borrow the master copy of the better one
15:59.36abrotman!create cd image
15:59.36dpkgcreate cd image is probably dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso bs=2048
15:59.41abrotmannvz: it's 11am :)
15:59.55nvzthats the same thing k3b did, created a 2048 cluster iso image
16:00.00nvzand it burned a fucking coaster
16:00.19abrotmanhow big is the image?
16:00.36nvzlike I said its not worth breaking my pc over.. I got a sledge hammer too close to the pc to have that happen again
16:01.06nvzit removed the image when it was done cause I told it to.. I didnt want it taking up space
16:01.07abrotmanagain ...
16:02.17nvzI mean if it dissapoints me again I am just going to bash it.. so I am not going to depend on it to do anything productive again
16:02.51nvzthe past 6 years I have used debian as a toy.. everytime I try do something that matters this happens, and I am not in the mood right now I'd rather just keep my half-working pc in one piece
16:03.42abrotmannvz: or you could ask #kde how to do it properly :)
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16:04.20nvzafaik that is the standard proceedure and I dont have time for that.. I normally only stay up until 10 and still dont have enough time in the day
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16:05.58LandWolfhi
16:06.01tactlesspostfix and gmail are giving me a hard time...
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16:06.08nvzI allocate time for a 10 minute task in a busy schedule I dont want to sit around for hours figuring out why it didnt just do what I wanted.. figuring shit out is for when you arent in a hurry to do it..
16:06.27nvzwhihc would be like sunday or something :P
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16:06.43tactlessI have an account which I want to use in order to use fetchmail and forward all incoming mail to a gmail account. So it has a '.forward' file with the proper address.
16:06.46nvzheh
16:06.57abrotmannvz:  a volvo you are not
16:07.04tactlessMails sent by 'echo | mail thelocalusername' get to gmail properly.
16:07.05LandWolfi have a question for this channel?? do ti exist a method to use rpm packages under debian?
16:07.17abrotman!tell LandWolf about alien
16:07.19foksLandWolf: apt-get install alien
16:07.28tactlessHowever, mails received by fetchmail are NOT. They just don't get there.
16:07.34tactlesspostfix logs look just fine.
16:07.41tactlessidentical for both cases.
16:07.46tactlessAt least as far as I can tell.
16:07.59tactlessSo I ask myself quite simply, WTF?
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16:08.12Bucciaratitactless: fetchmail logs ?
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16:08.25tactlessBucciarati: Look fine too:
16:08.49tactlessBucciarati: x messages, reading, . flushed
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16:09.04tactlessNo shmancy-fancy settings in the fetchmailrc
16:09.05Bucciaratitactless: `postconf mailbox_command` ?
16:09.26tactlessBucciarati: empty
16:09.37tactlessBucciarati: What's that?
16:09.44Bucciaratitactless: it's the command postfix uses to deliver mail
16:09.48tactlessOh, BTW, fetchmail works, that's verified.
16:09.53Bucciaratitactless: you can place e.g. procmail there
16:10.11tactlessBucciarati: Ah, OK. But that's not what I'm going for ATM.
16:10.34Bucciaratitactless: `postconf mail_spool_directory` ?
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16:10.44tactless/var/mail
16:10.53Bucciaratiis your mail there ?
16:10.58Bucciarati(isn't?)
16:11.13tactlessBucciarati: No, but it isn't supposed to be, is it?
16:11.44Bucciaratiif postfix tells you he has delivered it, it should be there
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16:12.11tactlesshmm, I'll try without the .forward
16:13.34Bucciaratitactless: the last line from the postfix 'local' daemon should be something like: "relay=local, status=sent"
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16:14.35tactlessBucciarati: It's not in the spool :(
16:14.40tactlessBucciarati: Last few lines:
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16:14.54tactlessFeb 22 18:13:51 localhost postfix/smtpd[14914]: connect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
16:14.57tactlessFeb 22 18:13:51 localhost postfix/smtpd[14914]: 5E8B837C122: client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
16:15.00tactlessFeb 22 18:13:51 localhost postfix/cleanup[14917]: 5E8B837C122: message-id=<d369f11f0602220813v8492b2ej2a27cf2f0b7a1967@mail.gmail.com>
16:15.03tactlessFeb 22 18:13:51 localhost postfix/qmgr[13426]: 5E8B837C122: from=<lutzkydov@gmail.com>, size=2062, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
16:15.06tactlessFeb 22 18:13:51 localhost postfix/local[14918]: 5E8B837C122: to=<dov@localhost>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)
16:15.09tactlessFeb 22 18:13:51 localhost postfix/qmgr[13426]: 5E8B837C122: removed
16:15.12tactlessFeb 22 18:13:51 localhost postfix/smtpd[14914]: disconnect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1
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16:15.41Healottcpdump flog?
16:15.49abrotmantactless: please don't flood
16:15.50abrotman!paste
16:15.50dpkgDo not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/
16:15.53tactlessSorry
16:15.56SlayerXPstartkeylogger
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16:16.08useruserwhat happened to the autokicker?
16:16.12SlayerXPhmm
16:16.18SlayerXPexperiment failed.
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16:16.42tactlessBucciarati: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1899
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16:17.08Bucciaratitactless: hmm i'm seeing
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16:19.04Bucciaratitactless: any virtual-domain-fu with that server?
16:19.14nvzuseruser: thats called an eggdrop bot, and debhelper is here, its just configured for 4+ lines within a certain timeframe.. that paste was obviously buffered slowly
16:20.03tactlessBucciarati: Well, it's got no proper DNS, only a DynDNS, and I configured postfix to use that.
16:20.37nvzI was kidding about the hippies btw, but as for freesoftware always letting me down when I need something thats real. it works unbelievable good when I dont need something.
16:20.46sidabrotman, look http://pastebin.com/566910
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16:20.58nvzI can do something 100 times but as soon as I need it, its not going to work
16:20.58sidabrotman,  That's a new dependences http://pastebin.com/566910
16:21.03abrotmansid: so use apt-file to look for it
16:21.13abrotman!find pcre-config sid
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16:21.31tactlessBTW, is there another way I can do this? I'd really rather not use my computer for this...
16:21.34dpkgDebian Search of 'pcre-config' (1): (/usr/bin/pcre-config) in libdevel/libpcre3-dev.
16:21.35nvzthis one is probably my fault though.. cause that copy was probably only for data and I didnt read the docs
16:21.37stewsid: what are you trying to compile?
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16:21.57sidstew, yes mysql-worbencg
16:21.59tactlessWe're going through an ISP switch, the old ISP doesn't do auto-forwarding, GMail doesn't do POP downloading.
16:22.01sidworkbench
16:22.03Bucciaratitactless: for doing what?
16:22.14tactlessBucciarati: Forwarding from the old ISP to gmail.
16:22.42abrotmansid: so install libpcre3-dev
16:22.55nvzabrotman: as a matter of fact hitting the debug button shows exactly what it did "dd if=/tmp/kde-nvz/k3b_image.img of=/dev/hdc obs=32k seek=0"
16:23.09abrotmannvz: and? .. no good?
16:23.28Bucciaratitactless: if the old isp won't let you .forward, you have not much choice
16:23.36abrotmanoh .. since tarzeau left ...
16:23.37abrotman!popcon
16:23.38dpkgwell, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
16:23.45nvzabrotman: obviously not the dvd doesnt playback in a dvd player like the one it copied from
16:23.54tactlessBucciarati: That's what I was thinking. Any idea why I can't seem to forward my fetchmail?
16:23.56sidabrotman, ready, I'm compiling
16:23.57abrotmannvz: does the one you're starting from?
16:24.00stew#tell abrotman about msgthebot
16:24.02abrotmansid: good .. i think
16:24.09nvzabrotman: yeah I was watching it before I copied it
16:24.13abrotmanstew: right .. i was picking on tarzeau
16:25.50nvzabrotman: reguardless this is the only dvd copy feature in the program and if it doesnt do a verbatim copy it probably needs filed as a bug
16:25.52sidambrose, look, that make errors http://pastebin.com/566912 :'(
16:26.07abrotmannvz: file a big fucking RC bug on k3b .. get it killed! .. yay!
16:26.08nvzabrotman: or it should say specifically what it does, not suggesting that it copies dvds
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16:26.15Bucciaratitactless: the files aren't in the queue anymore, right? (`sendmail -bp`)
16:26.15jetscreamerdon't you just love #ubuntu
16:26.15curtdang passwords
16:26.20Bucciaratis/files/mails/
16:26.30abrotmansid: those are in spanish
16:27.12abrotmansid: you might have to ask #mysql . it's a build error .. and seemingly everything should be there since the configure script worked
16:27.28tactlessBucciarati: true
16:27.38sidabrotman, I'm already in that channel
16:27.44resiakDear Galeon, why do you not show text in SVGs? Love, resiak
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16:27.53abrotmansid: i'd ask them ..
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16:28.05abrotmanresiak: it depends on the SVG i've found ..
16:28.09ratschnowskihello, one questions, how can i adjust the timezone on debian sarge?
16:28.13resiak!tz
16:28.13dpkgi heard tz is defined in /etc/default/rcS to fix that annoying warning message output by hwclockfirst.sh if your /usr is not on the root filesystem
16:28.14abrotmantzconfig
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16:28.18Dimensionre
16:28.18resiakhuh?
16:28.19buht-wwhat the hell is a "pciReadWord: Alignment error" when starting X? a driver, a physician hardware problem, a compiler problem? any Xorg gurus in here?
16:28.23resiak!tzconfig
16:28.23dpkgit has been said that tzconfig is ask me about "setting time"
16:28.29abrotman!setting time
16:28.29dpkgrumour has it, setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ...
16:28.29nvzI cant believe this many people a whole 2 use galeon enough to know anythinb about it :P
16:28.39resiakdpkg: no, tzconfig is <reply> see setting time
16:28.39dpkgokay, resiak
16:28.58sidambrose, --->>#mysql --->> <mhillyer> sid:  It is alpha software, errors are a given.
16:29.08jetscreamerwho the hell uses galeon
16:29.10reddeusI'm having aproblem with installing KDE on debian 3.1. I go apt-get install kde and that works fine, but I get a strange error with kpersonalizer: connot find xserver, and startx won't work - what do I do?
16:29.16nvzI used to use it before the move to gtk2.. I figure its probably finished by now.. but when I stopped using it they rewrote the interface and you lost access to 99% of the features that were no longer accessible from the interface
16:29.19Roninjetscreamer: that would be me, that and firefox
16:29.26stewreddeus: install x-window-system-core
16:29.27jetscreamerah
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16:29.47jetscreameriirc my kids used galeon
16:29.47reddeusStew - I've already done that once. It finished fine, but there's not improvement :(
16:29.48curtquote dpkg about galeon -or a browser that has sucked since version 1.3.x
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16:29.59jetscreamerso it must be good
16:30.01resiak!start a browser war
16:30.02dpkgIE is more useful than Amanda!
16:30.08EnsignRedshirtHello, world.
16:30.11jetscreameramanda as a browser?
16:30.12stewreddeus: what errors do you get when you run startx then?
16:30.18kspath!lart resiak
16:30.30reddeusIt says command not recongnized or something to that effect - do you want the exact wording?
16:30.38HealotMiranda is cuter than Yahoo! Messenger
16:30.40EnsignRedshirtIs there a free Fortran 90 compiler  available for debian?
16:30.46Roninreddeus: ya exact error would be nice
16:30.47kspathyes
16:30.50nvz!fortran
16:30.51dpkgi guess fortran is a high-level programming language, a bit more advanced than BASIC, but not quite as complex as C. This language refuses to die because it is so huge in the scientific research community. It's not a tough language to learn and it's fairly powerful. About 60% of scientific programming is done in Fortran. the oldest programming language still in use
16:30.57jetscreamer!find fortr... nm
16:31.12dpkgDebian Package/File/Desc Search of 'fortr... nm' returned no results.
16:31.19jetscreamer!find fortran
16:31.20dpkgDebian Package Listing of 'fortran' (8): cfortran ;; gfortran ;; gfortran-4.0 ;; gfortran-4.0-doc ;; gfortran-doc ;; lib64gfortran0 ;; libgfortran0 ;; libgfortran0-dev.
16:31.26Bucciaratitactless: then i'm out of ideas, sorry; try tracing postfix, or see if with "mailbox_command = procmail" it works
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16:31.46jetscreamerthere's some gcc-kinda one too iirc i forget
16:31.49nvzI wonder how old those statistics are
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16:31.58nvzI've never heard of anyone programming anything in fortran
16:31.58EnsignRedshirtWell, I know what fortran is :)  As far as I can tell, gcc provides fortran 77, not 90.
16:32.05Bucciaratitactless: or setting "debug_peer_level = 2" and "debug_peer_list = localhost"
16:32.13jetscreamermy daddy uses fortran and if it's good enough for him it's good enough for me!
16:32.16reddeusRonin: bash: startx: command not found             is what I get when I try startx in root :(
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16:32.36stewreddeus: then you need to install x-window-system-core
16:32.37Roninreddeus: well for one you shouldnt be running x as root
16:32.38jetscreamerthe 77 sounds familiar
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16:32.51nvzgod used fortran to make world, ffs
16:32.55nvzthats how old it is
16:33.05jetscreamerreddeus: try apt-get install x-window-system
16:33.08reddeusStew: I've already tried that once - should I repeat it? Ronin: I'll log in as user and try it again. Be back in ~ 5 miins
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16:33.21tactlessBucciarati: I have to leave now... thanks a lot for all of your help. I hope I get this working. :(
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16:33.52stewreddeus: what does "apt-cache policy xbase-clients" say for Installed: and Candidate:?
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16:34.06nvzthings like deja-vu, male fashion designers, and ricky martin probably would never have happened if it was written in C :P
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16:34.18jetscreamerricky martin is your god
16:34.19EnsignRedshirtYes, it's old, and not my first (or even eleventh) choice, but there is an existing Fortran 90 library that I want to use.
16:34.30disposablenvz: they were created using COBOL
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16:35.00jetscreamerwhen i was a kid the only choices in school were basic or cobol
16:35.02reddeusStew, jetscreamer and ronin - Linux computer is upstairs, might take some time to do all this ^_^
16:35.15stewreddeus: can't you ssh to it?
16:35.20jetscreamer!putty
16:35.20dpkgrumour has it, putty is a DFSG-free ssh/telnet/rsh client for Windows. It is small, simple, and has no install nonsense. Available at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
16:35.23Roninreddeus: no need, install irssi on the linux computer, start a screen, start irssi then try x
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16:35.42Roninor irc client of your choice that runs in a term
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16:35.44stew!putty =~ s#Windows#Windows and Linux#
16:35.44dpkgstew: OK
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16:36.03jetscreamer?   # ?
16:36.10miriammhello
16:36.13miriammhola
16:36.18miriammi am miriam
16:36.26Roninso we see
16:36.45jetscreamer!es
16:36.45dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:36.52jezCan anyone remember what the URL is for that funny cartoon guide to DNS, where a user tries to get porn?
16:36.52jetscreamerat a guess
16:37.05abrotmanjez: ask #dns?
16:37.13jetscreamer!hey miriamm
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16:38.00miriammso we see
16:38.07miriammso we see ronin
16:38.24miriammi love you
16:38.26stewmiriamm: do you have a debian related question?
16:38.26miriammhello
16:38.34kippiwhere is the file to tell things from load up on boot up?
16:38.35disposablemiriamm: please state the nature of your visit. business or pleasure?
16:38.36miriammno
16:38.42reddeusAllright, so apt-get x-window-system is downloading 19.6 MB of additional packages - this'll take about 10-15 minutes. An update on apt-cache policy xbase-clients is coming then
16:38.46curtdo you need some help miriamm
16:38.53abrotmanduh
16:38.58stewreddeus: you don't need x-window-system
16:39.06reddeusstew: How so?
16:39.16miriammi am to spanish
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16:39.42stewmiriamm: /join #debian-es
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16:40.10abrotmanmiriamm: /server 127.0.0.1 .. much better party
16:40.11stewreddeus: you don't need any of the packages required by x-window-system but not by x-window-system-core in order to get startx workign, you only need xbase-clients which is included in x-window-system-core
16:40.37disposablemiriamm: /bye #debian-es
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16:40.44miriammhelp
16:40.49abrotmanmiriamm: help with what?
16:41.00curtconnect to yourself huh..
16:41.10miriammbecause i don't not
16:41.12reddeusstew: I thought as much when I first went apt-get install x-window-system-core, but it's not working, so I'll let x-window-system download and install and I'll take it from there.
16:41.15miriammsorry
16:41.18abrotmanmiriamm: /server 127.0.0.1
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16:41.36abrotman!es
16:41.37dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:41.44miriamm127.0.0.1????
16:41.53curtno miriamm
16:42.03curtjoke
16:42.15Roninmiriamm: its /server 127.0.0.1
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16:43.04abrotmancurt: not really a joke :)
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16:44.08curtabrotman, /server 127.0.0.1 does what? try to connect to yourself?
16:44.22abrotmancurt: it will break your current connection and attempt the irc server at that IP
16:44.44curtabrotman, can't you just kick or whatever
16:44.52abrotmancurt: me? no
16:44.53Ronincurt: have to be an @ to do that
16:45.01abrotmancurt: i would have if i could have
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16:45.25miriammdo you help me? ronin
16:45.27abrotmanRonin: someday .. i'd like to be a &
16:45.41curtRonin, I thought i had seen a few people switch to OP temp and do it
16:45.46disposableabauer: i'll be dpkg one day
16:46.01Ronincurt: there are many ops in #debian just not currently not @'d is all
16:46.23miriammronin you e-mail?
16:46.25curtRonin, that's what i thought
16:46.33Roninmiriamm: email? whats that?
16:46.38azeemmiriamm: if you have no Debian question, please either be quiet or leave
16:46.39abrotmancurt: /msg chanserv access #debian list
16:46.56disposable<PROTECTED>
16:46.59miriammronin: you @
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16:47.57curtabrotman, that didn't just print a bunch of garbly gook here did it
16:47.59miriammronin hello
16:48.10Ronincurt: no it didnt
16:48.11abrotmancurt: no
16:48.19reddeusSo, I've figured out what my problem is :(
16:48.22curtgood
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16:48.36vacan I configure vsftpd to chroot virtual users into different directories for each user?
16:48.45mmedranhola
16:48.49SlayerXPva: yes, you have our permission to do so.
16:48.52miriammhola
16:48.52reddeusI've been logged in as /root the entire time. I've just restarted and went in as user, and was greeted with a pretty blue KDE gui. So, <3. Thank you all for your help,
16:48.56miriammmmedran hola
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16:49.01curt!tel mmedran about es
16:49.05curt!tell mmedran about es
16:49.07mmedranhola
16:49.13mmedranhola
16:49.24SlayerXPhmm
16:49.26SlayerXPmmedran
16:49.28Roninreddeus: no need to log on as root in x, as your user open a term, type su then the root password when asked if you need to work as root
16:49.34vaSlayerXP: i meant, is there such capability in vsftpd, if that was not obvious...
16:49.40stewazeem: miriamm and mmedran are from the same /24, can we please +q them?
16:49.46Roninheh talking to themselves i see
16:49.51SlayerXPva: what does the vsftpd homepage say?
16:50.08abrotman!es
16:50.08dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:50.21stewsame /28 even
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16:50.39disposablewhere does konqueror keep its cache?
16:50.47showdebardiga brother
16:51.17vaSlayerXP: i don't really understand the docs. it certainly can do this type of chrooting for local users, and it certainly has virtual users. But i'm not sure about chrooting for virtual users
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16:51.27showdebarhelo baby
16:51.47azeemshowdebar: hi, this is a channel about the Debian operating system, see http://www.debian.org
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16:52.32azeem!br
16:52.33dpkgEsse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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16:54.22ribnitzhello.
16:54.47Roninthey seem to be a little daft in spain and brasil i see, must be the heat
16:54.56ribnitzLooks like I junked my Win-xp autoload using grub by taking out a harddrive. Any quick way to fix that?
16:55.15azeemgrub has a mapping feature for that I think
16:55.21Roninribnitz: be grateful you dont run xp? ;)
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16:55.31Roninas i sit here on an xp machine
16:55.45ribnitzRonin: unfortunately some companies provide some apps that dont run in linux.
16:56.12thingfishlots of companies, in fact.
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16:57.05ribnitzazeem: title ...,root (hd0,0),savedefault,makeactive, chaninloader +1
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16:57.21ribnitzazeem: basically does nothing.
16:57.30jetscreamersee also map
16:57.36ribnitzazeem: and worked very fine before.
16:57.51azeemribnitz: see grub manual, section 4.2.6
16:57.57azeemI don't know whether that will help, it's just a guess
16:58.02jetscreamersometimes you'll find map hd2 > hd0 ... i'm not up on the syntax
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16:58.43Makeiohello, i'm using freenx to remote administrator but don't work I don't have client.id_dsa.key, anybody knows how i can created it?
16:59.57ribnitzThat hdd looks like first and sdecond primary partitions are ntfs, and fat32, resp. somewhere behind sit the linux ones.
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17:01.40Azargames that use directX are not working on my Sarge
17:01.41ribnitzok. reb ooting
17:01.43showdebarhello for all
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17:03.10misha-stronghi im in a rather unique position:
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17:03.31misha-strongi have managed to uninstall e2fsprogs
17:03.39misha-strong(i think its called)
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17:03.57blitohi...
17:04.01misha-strongI am running debian on colinux
17:04.22HealotAzar, it was meant for Windows, silly
17:04.22stewmisha-strong: lemme guess, now its talking about force-loopbreak?
17:04.32misha-strongyes :D
17:04.34SerajewelKSAzar: no shit, sarge doesn't have DirectX support =P
17:04.36blitoi've tried to download the isos... but i can download only 300MB... what's wrong?
17:04.37stewmisha-strong: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop
17:04.44AzarHealot: I know directX is a windows evil
17:04.45Healoteven with the advancement of Wine... Direct X is impossible
17:04.52Healotno
17:04.53AzarSerajewelKS: I got the games via apt
17:04.55HealotDirectX is cool
17:05.10Azarfrom stable repo
17:05.12SerajewelKSHealot: DirectX, particularly Direct3D has an API that is a PITA to develop with
17:05.26SerajewelKSAzar: then they are most certainly not using DirectX
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17:05.32Healotyeah i know what it is...
17:05.49AzarChromium and Egoboo
17:05.51misha-strongstew, its a bit late for that, i just need my system to boot properly lol
17:05.54SerajewelKSHealot: and you said it's "cool" -- that is by far not true
17:06.03AzarI read about Chromium using directX
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17:06.17SerajewelKSAzar: maybe the windows port, certainly *NOT* the linux port
17:06.27misha-strongmy shutdown command doesnt work if that gives you a clue
17:06.28Healotwell, to me it is...
17:06.29SerajewelKSAzar: DirectX is not even portable in theory, because it relies on COM.
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17:06.36Azardunno about Egoboo but they behave same: they have cool graphics and all but do not respond to keyboard or mouse
17:06.42Healoti make games and money by programming with Dx
17:06.51SerajewelKSHealot: if you're a developer, SDL and OpenGL are far easier to develop in, and give you excellent portability
17:06.52stewmisha-strong: its booted now?
17:07.00misha-stronghalf-way
17:07.02misha-strongno gui
17:07.03Healotyeah
17:07.05Azaryeah Chromium is SDL
17:07.12jetscreamer-_-
17:07.26Healotnobody plays commercial games in Linux...
17:07.26misha-strongand i cant install e2fsprogs again :/
17:07.27SerajewelKSHealot: except that people do, of course
17:07.29jetscreameridsoftware is your god
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17:07.33AzarHealot: says you
17:07.35Healotwell, at least most of them plays games on Windows
17:07.42SerajewelKSHealot: e.g. neverwinter nights, which is a commercial SDL + OpenGL game that runs on linux
17:07.44stewmisha-strong: why can't you install e2fsprogs?
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17:08.01stewmisha-strong: why can't you follow the advice in /msg dpkg e2fsprogs-loop?
17:08.08Healotclosed source is really hard to aqcuire
17:08.11stewerr /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop
17:08.12jetscreamer!quake4 bork
17:08.13dpkgit has been said that quake4 bork is for quake4(and d3 i'd guess)  libsdl1.2debian-all_1.2.9-0.1_i386.deb vs libsdl1.2debian-alsa_1.2.9-0.1_i386.deb  . all bad, alsa good. see updated versions also.
17:08.16SerajewelKSHealot: can run on linux anyway, AFAIK the windows port uses OpenGL, not sure if it uses SDL
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17:08.29AzarUT too is played now in linux
17:08.35Healotyeah
17:08.46SerajewelKSHealot: either way i suggest you not make blanket statements about nobody playing commercial games on linux before doing research.  it is simply not true.
17:08.57r121I'm having trouble setting up remote port forwarding with ssh using the -R switch. I can access the forwarded port FROM the remote host itself, but not from any other machine. How can I do this?
17:09.12Healot<PROTECTED>
17:09.19SerajewelKSHealot: and i would certainly suggest that you spend time learning a non-proprietary, portable set of libraries like SDL and OpenGL
17:09.29misha-strongstew: dpkg: dpkg - error: PATH is not set.
17:09.35Healotwell, OpenGL;s my stuff
17:09.39misha-strongi did read the dpkg loop thing
17:09.46SerajewelKSHealot: as i said, OpenGL and SDL are portable in practice, DirectX is not portable even in theory
17:09.47Healotsure we port both OpenGL and Dx
17:09.54Healotyeah
17:10.05Healotwhy the hell I have to worry about portability :)
17:10.20SerajewelKSHealot: the more games available for linux, the more people use linux
17:10.22jetscreamerbecause you want it to run under anything
17:10.32jetscreamerbecause you're anal
17:10.33stewmisha-strong: try "source /etc/profile" and run it again
17:10.39Healotyeah, it doesn't seem like that ATM... though
17:10.42amee2kany does the Adaptech AHA2940 driver take *ages* to load?
17:10.45SerajewelKSHealot: and because you can in theory get a 10% increase in sales with a tiny bit of extra work
17:11.00SaneEnglishMonkr121: try looking for GatewayPorts in the ssh manpage
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17:11.09SerajewelKSHealot: *and* because by writing to DirectX only you are helping solidify Windows as the standard OS.
17:11.23r121SaneEnglishMonk: thanks, I'll give it a look
17:11.24HealotI don't really have to worry about portability and pay... :)
17:11.31jetscreameryou should code in asm anyway
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17:11.38misha-strongstew: dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH.
17:11.39misha-strongdpkg: `start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH.
17:11.39misha-strongdpkg: `install-info' not found on PATH.
17:11.39misha-strongdpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH.
17:11.39misha-strongdpkg: 4 expected program(s) not found on PATH.
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17:11.39HealotI know my way to promote open/free software...
17:11.54jetscreameryes you want asm
17:11.57jetscreameri can tell
17:12.01HealotI just don;t think that games would the way... maybe one day it will though
17:12.01SerajewelKSHealot: if you actually care about the advancement of linux as a desktop operating system, writing games to DirectX is possibly the worst thing you could do
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17:12.27endeavormaccan someone please tell me where this smtp daemon is and how i can stop it?
17:12.29Healotand SerajewelKS , you don't have to worry about my stands though...
17:12.29pcwavesHow do i run pppoeconf by command line ,  everytime i reboot i have to run pppoeconf
17:12.40misha-strongstew, logged out, now back
17:12.49stew!tell misha-strong about flood
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17:12.55SerajewelKSHealot: i don't determine where you stand by what you say, it's by what you do
17:12.55stewmisha-strong: you need to add /sbin and /usr/sbin to the PATH and export it agani
17:13.05HealotI love both OSes, Linux, Windows, whatever... even J2ME platform...
17:13.16Estes2endeavormac, what smtp system are you running ? exim ?
17:13.24Healotreally, don;t be hostile to others because what they do... or what they stand for
17:13.30Azarin any case I managed to get a nice bunch of games...
17:13.35SerajewelKSHealot: so why support one over the other when you could support both with *less* work?
17:13.41SerajewelKSHealot: i'm not being hostile, i'm being blunt
17:13.48endeavormacestes2: i believe so, whatever came originally with debian. I've read if I remove it, apt-get will just reinstall it, so I need to just prevent it from starting up
17:13.54jetscreamerhow's dev'ing in an ubuntu env btw
17:13.58Healotblunt is worse than hostile...
17:14.02endeavormacestes2: but I can not find a reference to it in /etc
17:14.02gadekis there a way of getting coredump of a running program w/o actually terminating it?
17:14.02Estes2endeavormac, /etc/init.d/exim stop i guess
17:14.07SerajewelKSHealot: then you are in the wrong channel
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17:14.12endeavormacok, thanks
17:14.13pcwavesHow do i run pppoeconf by command line ,  everytime i reboot i have to run pppoeconf
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17:14.36Estes2endeavormac, oh, in this case, you'll have to deactivate it from starting using update-rc.d
17:14.37pcwavesnet dosent work by just running pon dsl-provider
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17:14.43SerajewelKSstew: probably
17:14.44endeavormacok
17:14.48jetscreamerpcwaves: you type it. i think you want to know how to have it run automatically on_boot though.
17:14.50Estes2so it will be removed from rcx.d/
17:15.00pcwavesjetscreamer, yes
17:15.00endeavormacthat's what i'm trying to do, keep it from starting up in the first place
17:15.04AzarSerajewelKS, jetscreamer, thank you :)
17:15.15jetscreamerpcwaves: ask that one (i don't know personally)
17:15.21SerajewelKSAzar: hmm?  what did i do now?
17:15.21Estes2endeavormac, man update-rc.d
17:15.27jetscreamerheh lol
17:15.31myrHi everybody !
17:15.32eposootput: just to let you know I've fixed the distortion problems with the soundblaster audigy nx 2 card.... upgraded from 2.6.8 to 2.6.15, has to be the easiest kernel upgrade ever, not a single question and everything's working =)
17:15.34Azarfor the clarification with the games
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17:15.38pcwaveshow do i run pppoeconf automatically at boot
17:15.41SerajewelKSAzar: ah
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17:15.51praseodymhow can I install cacti from debian testing?
17:15.53JediMasterootput: oops wrong name =)
17:15.53myrCould somebody tell me about a good howto for X11 forwarding with ssh please ?
17:15.59endeavormacok, thanks
17:16.08SerajewelKS!x11 forwarding
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17:16.14SerajewelKShmm... odd
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17:16.28gadekmyr: ssh -X ?
17:16.42Azarhowever Chromium should not be listed on "stable" repos, it sits good where it is in Etch
17:16.46jetscreamerpcwaves: the program 'pump' may be one answer to what you want, but i'm not sure
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17:17.08SerajewelKSAzar: did i talk to you a while ago about packaging yics for debian?
17:17.22AzarI guess when etch will come out, using xorg possibly some games will behave
17:17.29SoliloDon't suppose any of you use multi-aterm by chance, do you?
17:17.36myr!x11 forwarding
17:17.37AzarSerajewelKS: no?
17:17.37jon_kareI'd like to look at the debian patches to the 2.6.12 and 2.6.13 kernels
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17:17.46Healotconfig ssh with ForwardX11=true
17:17.47Estes2endeavormac, you're welcome
17:17.47pcwavesjetscreamer , evertime i reboot i have to run pppoeconf again , pon ' dosent work
17:17.47jetscreamerdownload
17:17.50jon_karehttp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.12-10.diff.gz
17:17.54misha-strongstew: root@(none):/# echo $PATH
17:17.55misha-strong/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/sbin:/sbin
17:17.56SerajewelKSAzar: okay just wondering
17:17.56jon_kareis no longer in the pool
17:17.57curtspeaking of games, is there a way to play shockwave games in firefox/linux
17:18.03jetscreamerpcwaves: i've told you all i know, my stuff just works :(
17:18.11jon_kareIs there an archive anywhere?
17:18.14jetscreamerpcwaves: i use a router that logs into pppoe
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17:18.17SerajewelKScurt: buy crossover office
17:18.20Azarcurt: you need the macromedia plugin I guess
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17:18.26curtI don't really play games, my son and wife always complain about them not working
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17:18.40jetscreamerjon_kare: yes i 'think' it's something like archives.debian.org but i forget
17:18.41blaamanncurt: Maybe gnash can help you ?
17:18.43misha-strongstew again after apt-get install: dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH.
17:18.50curtAzar, the plugin isn't available in firefox/linux
17:18.57djpam i right in understanding, that you cannot cancel a print job from the gnome-cups-manager under debian?
17:19.10SerajewelKScurt: hence, buy crossover office and install the windows version on it
17:19.11jon_karejetscreamer: Thanks.
17:19.15dannyp_myr: assuming there's nothing in your ssh or sshd config file that disables it, ssh -X
17:19.20curtSerajewelKS, no way
17:19.25Azarcurt, interesting, yesterday I was visiting a website and firefox invited me to download macromedia, which I did not ofcourse for personal reasons
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17:19.30jon_kareI tried snapshot.debian.org, but it doesn't work at the moment.
17:19.38SerajewelKScurt: then you can't get shockwave
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17:19.53SerajewelKSAzar: flash != shockwave
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17:19.59jetscreameri've had ff try to d/l plugins and the mf just sat there trying
17:20.03curtSerajewelKS, then my wife and son can't play ;)
17:20.04myrI've set the x forward option both on the client and server
17:20.09AzarSerajewelKS: ah I see..
17:20.19SerajewelKScurt: so shell out the money, use windows, or tell them to find a better use of their time
17:20.20Healotatm, shockwave is onl avail for Windows....
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17:20.27Azarcurt: try games offered on Debian repositories
17:20.40myrbut there's an authentification problem  ""debug2: X11 connection uses different authentication protocol"
17:20.40jetscreameridsoftware!
17:20.44SoliloShockwave is rubbish when compared to Flash, either way. But that's not going to help you in your problem. :P
17:20.47mcmhow can i delete the ssh keys for known hosts ? before i was doing this by deleting the appropriate entry in ~/.ssh/known_hosts but it seems that it's alignment has changed...
17:20.55curtAzar, they like to go to kids sites ie noggin, cartoon network etc etc
17:21.03AzarSupertux, FrozenBubble
17:21.05SerajewelKSSolilo: IMO both of them can burn in hell
17:21.12SoliloI hear you there, man.
17:21.12curtAzar, most of the stuff is M$ only
17:21.23SerajewelKScurt: then use an M$ OS
17:21.24Azarcurt try those two for your kids, there are more but those are fun
17:21.28jetscreameryeah they have the little kiddies locked into windows
17:21.32djpis it correct that you cannot cancel a print job from the gnome-cups-manager under debian? you have to cancel a job from the command line?
17:21.42SoliloYou could always try something like Legends or Chromium.
17:21.44curtjetscreamer, i agree, not mine...
17:21.47jetscreamerthey all wanna do what billy at school is doing
17:21.55Azarcurt use apt-get install and get them your kids gonna love them
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17:22.14SerajewelKScurt: trackballs is okay too, kinda hard though
17:22.24Azaryeah I love trackballs :)
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17:22.27SerajewelKScurt: and don't forget about planetpenguin-racer
17:22.29curtAzar, i will show them later tonight, i just get tired of hear this or that doesn't work 'honey'
17:22.32SoliloIt's a fact of life: Kids love Tux Racer!
17:22.45jetscreamerinstall enemy territory
17:22.48jetscreamer:)
17:22.52Azar:)
17:22.54curtjetscreamer, my son is 4
17:22.55SerajewelKScurt: bzflag!
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17:22.59Azarthere are a lot of cool games
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17:23.04jaira good linux application to rip cds??
17:23.08Snaddertrying to moint an iso image.. whats wrong: mount -t iso9660 -oloop fs2x-dgr.iso /mnt/test
17:23.12jetscreamerdd jair
17:23.16curtjair, xcdroast
17:23.17SerajewelKScurt: planetpenguin racer is good for 4-year-olds if they can figure out the controls
17:23.26SerajewelKSSnadder: '-o loop'
17:23.27jairjetscreamer, dd?
17:23.27jetscreamerSnadder: try -t auto
17:23.29kspathtuxpaint is uber alles
17:23.38SerajewelKSSnadder: you need a space between '-o' and 'loop' (i think)
17:23.42javiolojair graveman
17:23.54SnadderSerajewelKS, jetscreamer dosnt work
17:23.55jairjaviolo, hmm never heard of it
17:23.59jetscreamerjair: k3b, graveman, or just dd from command line
17:24.03SerajewelKSSnadder: then it's not an ISO image
17:24.04SnadderI get "no such file or directory"
17:24.10SerajewelKSSnadder: well there's the problem
17:24.18SerajewelKSSnadder: your .iso vanished!
17:24.19jetscreamerSnadder: ls /mnt/
17:24.21Snadderfs2x-dgr.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data
17:24.22jetscreameror that
17:24.24jairjetscreamer, dd sounds very interesting
17:24.25Snadderwith file
17:24.28javiolojari or try cdrecord
17:24.40Healot36 or 40 DD is
17:24.40Snadder/mnt/test exists
17:24.42SerajewelKSSnadder: or /mnt/test doesn't exist,  mkdir /mnt/test
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17:24.57SerajewelKSSnadder: well *one* of the two has to be missing
17:25.03jetscreamergot the loop module loaded?
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17:25.09djpis it correct that you cannot cancel a print job from the gnome-cups-manager under debian? you have to cancel a job from the command line?
17:25.14jetscreamerdjp not sure
17:25.25jairjetscreamer, but you know that something weird is happening I am inserting the audio cd on the machine and right away I get a message of error and the dmesg |tail tells me: isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hdc, iso_blknum=16, block=16
17:25.25jairhdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
17:25.32Snadderfs2x-dgr.iso2: no such file or directory <-- when I type the image wrong
17:25.48Snaddermount: mount point /mnt/test2/ does not exist <-- when I type the dir wrong
17:25.49jetscreamerjair: imo that's a scratched cd
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17:25.53Healotthat means your CD is damaged :)
17:25.54SerajewelKSSnadder: and when you type it right?
17:26.07Snaddermount: no such file or directory
17:26.13jairhahaha, the cd is brand new
17:26.31Snadderits not a cd.. its a image.
17:26.34SoliloI thought trackballs died out along with with the 'data glove' and touchpads...
17:26.35SerajewelKSSnadder: check dmesg?
17:26.36jetscreamercould be copy protection
17:26.40jairI listen it all the time in my car and I want to put it in the machine as well that is not the case sorry about that one guys.
17:26.42Healotbrand new doesnt mean it is not damaged
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17:26.47SerajewelKSSolilo: it's a friggin game
17:27.12praseodymhow do I install a single package from testing?
17:27.14jairI can not even mount it.
17:27.17Snaddernothing in dmesg
17:27.24SerajewelKSpraseodym: download the .deb and install it with dpkg -i
17:27.24SoliloSerajewelKS: Ah, so did not pick up on that.
17:27.24jetscreamerjair: you don't mount cd's
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17:27.31jetscreamerjair: they're not mountable
17:27.35jetscreameraudio cd's
17:27.43jetscreamerwith redbook
17:27.44thingfishpraseodym: you edit /etc/apt/sources.list accordingly, and hope there are no deps.
17:27.49Healothoho, i thought it was a data CD
17:28.02thingfishand of course after editing you do the usual apt-get update.
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17:28.13Healotnever ever mount an audio CD :)
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17:28.21misha-strongdangerous
17:28.32thingfishmisha-strong: neither do I.  But he didn't ask for recommendations.
17:28.32praseodymSerajewelKS: where do I find the .deb?
17:28.37jetscreamerwill cause globalthermonuclearwar
17:28.42jetscreamer!pdo
17:28.43dpkghttp://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents.  Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts.  Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/, or the machine that hosts http://packages.debian.org has been overloaded, a temporary replacement can be found at http://pdo.debian.net
17:28.45Snadderits a xbox game.
17:28.45thingfishyep
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17:28.50thingfishand race hatred.
17:29.00praseodymSerajewelKS: n/m
17:29.05endeavormacCan someone please tell me why port 608 is open on my debian box, and how I can close it?
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17:29.23Healotnetstat it
17:29.30thingfishI just run sarge, myself.  I mixed sarge, etch, and sid packages for a while.  For a short while.  Didn't go well.
17:29.31Healotkill the app opening the port
17:29.59jetscreameri tried to mix sid and ubuntu sources once... didn't go well either.
17:30.10jetscreameri was bored
17:30.19starfishyubuntu != debian
17:30.24jetscreamerno shit
17:30.24pcwaves_i need help with pppoe
17:30.27starfishymixing the two is a recipe for disaster
17:30.31jetscreameryes
17:30.45jetscreamerand i went to see the bear
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17:31.05jetscreamer(i said i was bored...)
17:31.09endeavormachealot: netstat -ap doesn't show the PID of any open ports
17:31.36jetscreamerbtw yes i can confirm it does break stuff :)
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17:32.16jairwhen I try to opn the cd with konqueror I get the message protocol not supported
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17:32.31jairit is a regular .wav audio cd
17:32.33Healotuse the switch which does...
17:32.47HealotI can't recall all the switches :(
17:33.01jairshould I install a software to rip cd or audio cds?
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17:33.07SoliloAnyone know of why the Debian installer wouldn't pick up on the partition table of a disk w/ ReiserFSv3 partitions?
17:33.12misha-strongsources should be like mirrors, having different sources is like looking into a broken mirror
17:33.16jetscreamerjair: what happens when you just try to play it with amarok or whatever
17:33.17endeavormaci think it's -p
17:34.02SerajewelKSSolilo: is it an LVM?
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17:34.05Healotif it doesn't show pid or program name, it is probably a kernel module...
17:34.12Estes2I'm installing an X window system on a computer that only has a network plug connected, no mouse, no keyboard to access it throught network, like a remote desktop or so. the thing is X configuration system asks me for a mouse or a keyboard. By experience, i know X will refuse to start if they are not present, how can i override this and configure X to start even without nothing connected ? mouse->gpmdata ?
17:34.57SoliloSerajewelKS: I understand LVM is Logical Volume Manager, but no idea as to what it's for or if it is.
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17:35.17SoliloI'm still quite new, just interested in swapping distros for a Debian base with openbox, actually. :P
17:35.20CarlFKI found http://packages.debian.org/unstable/debian-installer/partman-auto-lvm - is there one for raid?
17:35.23SerajewelKSSolilo: if 'fdisk -l /dev/thedisk' doesn't show a partition table, it might be LVM
17:35.32endeavormacthis much i know, i just want to find it and stop it. it came with debian
17:35.36Healotendeavormac, run netstat -nap as root, or sudo it
17:35.41kspath!tell kspath about services
17:35.52Healotyou'll see all the pid and program names
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17:35.59SerajewelKSSolilo: an LVM is somewhat like Windows "dynamic disks" -- it lets you group multiple disks into one logical disk, split a disk into partitions flexibly, etc
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17:36.47fenda67Can anyone assist me with enable php4 in apache 2?
17:36.56kspath!services
17:36.56dpkgmethinks services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services   and  /etc/services from a FreeBSD machine and services from IANA
17:36.58fenda67*enabling
17:37.00endeavormachealot: that was it, needed to be root. ok thanks, i should be able to find my way from here
17:37.01misha-stronganyone:  root@(none):/# apt-get install e2fsprogs    gives me:    dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH.   help?
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17:37.06SerajewelKSSolilo: chances are if you don't know what it is, you aren't using it
17:37.18Healotwhile LVM can handle more partition types then Windows Dynamic disk...
17:37.28jetscreameri have a q about dynamic diska and lvm... if you 'upgrade' a disk to dynamic in windows, will this affect the disk in linux, or is it all just software
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17:37.46SerajewelKSjetscreamer: linux will be unable to read anything from the disk
17:37.53jetscreamerahh
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17:38.00SoliloOutput is that it cannot open the destination. And yeah, chances are about as low as Harold Ramis not looking like a pedo-fiend.
17:38.03SerajewelKSjetscreamer: windows converts it to one big partition
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17:38.21Healotit's no longer an MBR based disk, if you convert it to a dynamic disk...
17:38.22jairjetscreamer, I am trying to paly it with amarok but did not work :(
17:38.39javiolois there any app to linux to work locally with textpattern ?
17:38.47SerajewelKSHealot: of course it's MBR-based
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17:39.00fernan_olaq
17:39.02SerajewelKSHealot: how else could you convert hda to a dynamic disk and still boot the system?
17:39.11fernan_hola
17:39.12Healotnot to linux :)
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17:39.21djpanyone use the gnome desktop with a printer here, under debian sarge?
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17:39.27SerajewelKSHealot: you are confusing the MBR and the partition table
17:39.30SoliloHas me all confused as Ubuntu (hiss all you want, just do it quietly) picks it up during the installation and it uses the Debian installer.
17:39.31javiolofernan_ go to #debian-es
17:39.41Healotit camoflaged the disk so other oses cannot see it, evil...
17:39.45jetscreamerSerajewelKS: but if i have > 1 partition on an hd, and  in windows 'upgrade' it to dynamic, the partitions still exist... which makes me wonder if it's just some software overlay... but if you say so i believe.
17:39.49HealotI am just playing...
17:39.53loumzhi, can anyone tell me the difference between the java-runtime and java1-runtime virtual packages?
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17:39.59SerajewelKSjetscreamer: really?  weird...
17:40.05fernan_join # debian-es
17:40.18Roninfernan_: you forget the /
17:40.24fernan_join #debian-es
17:40.30CarlFKjetscreamer: you may want this: www.fs-driver.org It provides Windows NT4.0/2000/XP with full access to Linux Ext2 volumes (read access and write access).
17:40.32eviltonehello
17:40.34Roninfernan_: / you need the /
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17:40.37stewmisha-strong: do you have a /root/.profile or /root/.bash_profile?  those should be setting the PATH correctly
17:40.41jbroome<PROTECTED>
17:40.45jbroomeshit.
17:40.45jetscreamerjair: no idea. i don't even play audio cd's much anymore. /me pats mp3 collection
17:40.48Roninheh
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17:40.58SoliloActually dumped all of the contents of the drive earlier on a mapped network drive then reformatted the sucker entirely -- no change.
17:41.01fernan_gok
17:41.05javiolois there any app to linux to work locally with textpattern ?
17:41.07SerajewelKSCarlFK: i wouldn't trust windows with write access to my / ;)
17:41.17jairjetscreamer, ok I will continue checking to see what is the problem with this cd
17:41.30gsHi, I've set up bridge firewall but when using iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -j LOG i do not get any hits if I change to -i br0 its fine, why I cannot use physdev? I have ipt_physdev loaded?
17:41.33misha-strongstew: root@(none):/# echo $PATH
17:41.33misha-strong/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/sbin:/sbin
17:41.37CarlFKSerajewelKS: it isn't 'widnows' doing the writing ;)
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17:41.40jetscreamerjair: do you have a /dev/cdrom ?
17:41.50SerajewelKSCarlFK: well i mean windows likes to do weird shit with mounted volumes
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17:42.07SerajewelKSCarlFK: index them, and stuff like that.  if you're browsing picture folders, it makes Thumbs.db etc
17:42.20jairjetscreamer, yes I have media/cdrom0 though
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17:42.26CarlFKSerajewelKS: yeah... I wonder if you can mount it RO
17:42.27jairjetscreamer, I will check again
17:42.35Azarendeavormac: I guess it is ftp related: 608 tcp sift-uft Sender-Initiated/Unsolicited File Transfer
17:42.41javioloany flash app to linux ?
17:42.42ribnitzok. tried the various configurations.
17:42.44SerajewelKSCarlFK: i use ext2fsd and it offers RO mode, i use that exclusively
17:42.48Healotit's more the Explorer's fault...
17:42.52ribnitzthe thing does not want to boot windows.
17:42.56javioloit should read .fla from flash
17:43.00misha-strongstew i have .bashrc and .profile
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17:43.05CarlFKSerajewelKS: url for ext2fsd?
17:43.07SerajewelKSHealot: i still don't trust windows with write access to my /
17:43.12Healotyou can actually kill off the indexing, and thumbnail generation
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17:43.16SerajewelKSCarlFK: don't recall, found it on google once upon a time
17:43.46SerajewelKSHealot: i don't trust linux to write to ntfs either.  neither OS knows about the other's permission system, which causes problems.
17:43.51jairjetscreamer, very weird as soon as I insert it and I try to browse using the konqueror I get the message bad superblock bla bla
17:43.52CarlFKhttp://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net -should have guessed ;)
17:43.58SerajewelKSCarlFK: =)
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17:44.06jairjetscreamer, I try with an mp3 cd and it works good.
17:44.07Healotyeah ssid vs. uid... don't really get along
17:44.17jairbut the .wav did not :(
17:44.37SerajewelKSHealot: by ssid you mean uuid?
17:44.43PhatedSSID and UID?
17:44.48PhatedTwo technologies, surely?
17:44.48misha-strongSerajewelKS: cant you wait for /System Volume Information/ ;) ?
17:45.02Azarjair for .wav you might need plugins with your player
17:45.02SerajewelKSPhated: exactly, that's why they don't get along
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17:45.08Healotyeah... I can't rememn all the os terms
17:45.17SerajewelKSPhated: which is generally why you don't mount ext[23] RW on windows, nor ntfs RW on linux
17:45.22Healotthose G:X:..... things
17:45.34SerajewelKSPhated: they fuck over each other's permissions
17:45.38PhatedIsn't SSID a wifi thing?
17:45.38SerajewelKSPhated: and of course the linux ntfs driver fucks over a lot more
17:45.44nvznhey are there any patches i _should_ apply to the 2.6.8 kernel running on a p2 laptop?
17:45.45SerajewelKSPhated: i thought that was essid
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17:45.48stewmisha-strong: see if "source /root/.profile" fixes it, if so, you may want to "ln -s /root/.profile /root/.bash_profile"
17:45.53PhatedOh, E! I forgot that, sorry :)
17:46.14ribnitzPhated: Heya there. how's life?
17:46.17PhatedBut generally, yeah, NTFS write on Linux is awful.
17:46.23Phatedribnitz: Heya. All cool, how's your end?
17:46.25jairAzar, like which ones? I already open it with k3b but it does not want to open with the regular amarok.
17:46.31ribnitzPhated: Me too.
17:46.31misha-strongstew: sh: mesg: command not found
17:46.38jairjetscreamer, it opens with k3b
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17:46.44Phatedribnitz: Fabulous.
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17:46.46jairbut I can not listen anything
17:46.49Azarjair, you need to read the documentation for your player, possibly at its website
17:46.58jairjetscreamer, I think I need plugins like Azar said
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17:47.09Cyberiahi people.. what may be the problem,  kill  is not working.. ?
17:47.10Azarjair which player are you using?
17:47.13Healotanyway, using cell as gprs modem withiout separated power/data connectors sucks
17:47.15misha-strongstew: i actually think i dont have update-rc.d
17:47.19jairAzar, I think it should be a plugin for the system
17:47.27jairAzar, I am using amarok
17:47.38misha-strongbrb
17:47.42Azarjair I am using xmms I have no idea about amarok
17:47.57jetscreamerit should 'just work'
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17:48.04jetscreamertry playing it in k3b
17:48.05jetscreamer:)
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17:48.10shingouzHealot: ericssons and samsungs can have the data cable attached and still be able to suck power from the outside
17:48.24Healotmine an LG
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17:48.30Healotcheap nah
17:48.30jetscreamer!tell Azul_Leon -about root
17:48.32Azarjair: I am using xmms because I only need it for .mod, .xm , s3m...
17:48.48loumzwhy does java packages created by make-jpkg provide java-runtime, java2-runtime but not java1-runtime?
17:48.51shingouzHealot: would not know, never used an LG so far
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17:48.53stewmisha-strong: did you replace sysv-rc with something else?
17:49.03Healotsure/// np
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17:49.08shingouzHealot: hack the battery perhaps?
17:49.11ciccia-88°_°
17:49.13ciccia-88hi guys
17:49.13ciccia-88:P
17:49.22jairAzar, ok I have that one too.
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17:49.28SerajewelKSciccia-88: hi, please don't be 1337 in here
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17:49.35Healotno, it's the single power/data connecter
17:49.40staggecould i ask a little quiestion... please
17:49.43ciccia-88eh??
17:49.44ciccia-88°_°
17:49.46Healotcan't charge and use modem at the same time...
17:49.47jairAzar, I use both xmms and amarok but what do you do for the .wav cds?
17:50.14Healotgprs uses to much power, max 4 hours, then it went dry
17:50.16Azarjair, xmms website has help on how to obtain plugins for wav files
17:50.19stouset!tell ciccia-88 about enter
17:50.20ciccia-88:o
17:50.37ciccia-88tell me why? :D°
17:50.40shingouzHealot: ouch. hack the cable then? the connector is still the same, you just need to get the charger connected to it somehow
17:50.47ciccia-88about enter... where?
17:50.48ciccia-88O.o
17:50.48SoliloI suppose there's a lot of googlin' to be had.
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17:50.55Azarjair you can also ask at #xmms
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17:51.13staggei'd need a bittorrent client with a gui that supports more than one simultaneous up/download... does anybody know a debian packet for it? thx a lot!
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17:51.23SerajewelKSstagge: azureus
17:51.26Healotyeah... I'll run into that...
17:51.45shingouzHealot: that or get another phone i guess
17:51.47staggeSerajewelKS: thx, nothing else?
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17:51.50SerajewelKSciccia-88: do you have a question, or are you being cute?
17:51.55Healotyeah hehe
17:51.56SerajewelKSstagge: nothing else decent
17:52.01stousetSerajewelKS: I'd hardly venture to say it's cute.
17:52.09vin`<PROTECTED>
17:52.10vin`<PROTECTED>
17:52.10vin`<PROTECTED>
17:52.11ciccia-88i don't understand very well english XD
17:52.12ciccia-88uhsauhsahudd
17:52.13HealotWaiting for the LG's U series to reach this freaking country hehe
17:52.13SerajewelKSstagge: azureus is a memory hog and leaks memory like you pee after drinking a gallon of water
17:52.14ciccia-88i'm italian
17:52.16ciccia-88sorry
17:52.17ciccia-88:D°
17:52.18shingouzHealot: hacking the cable is the Geek Thing to do though
17:52.20misha-strongstew: i uninstalled e2fsprogs, and that seemed to remove shutdown and this update-rc.d, i dont know what sysv-rc means
17:52.26jairAzar, I will check that then thanks
17:52.28SerajewelKS!it
17:52.28dpkgper aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it
17:52.28vin`sorry
17:52.29thingfishstouset: hehe exactly my sentiments as well.
17:52.32SerajewelKSciccia-88: ^^^
17:52.34Healotyeah, I am a geek heh
17:52.53ciccia-88i don't want enter in italy channel -.-°°
17:52.57stewmisha-strong: did you dist-upgrade to stable?  what does "apt-cache policy sysv-rc" say for Installed: and Candidate:?
17:52.58ciccia-88it'snt enjoy
17:52.59ciccia-88XD
17:53.03staggeSerajewelKS: thats why i don't like those java things..
17:53.05ciccia-88itsn't
17:53.06Azarjair if you look at xmms preferences you will see at audio i/o plugins, you should see Wave Player 1.2.10 ..
17:53.06ciccia-88lol
17:53.07ciccia-88:D°°
17:53.08stousetciccia-88: Please stop hitting enter every four seconds.
17:53.18SerajewelKSciccia-88: please don't
17:53.19HealotI just hate dial-up or DSL connection, don't want any copper connections
17:53.21SerajewelKSciccia-88: talk like
17:53.23thingfishnothing wrong with being italian.  on the other hand there is something wrong with someone who can't type more than 3-4 words without hitting 'enter'.
17:53.24ciccia-88don't ? :o
17:53.25SerajewelKSciccia-88: this, it's
17:53.27SerajewelKSciccia-88: really
17:53.28shingouzciccia-88: would you please stop hitting the enter so often. leave those cute smileys elsewhere too while you are at it
17:53.30SerajewelKSciccia-88: annoying
17:53.35Healot3G and GPRS rocks...
17:53.36ciccia-88°_°
17:53.39thingfishlet's just ignore the idiot.
17:53.42misha-strongspew:  Installed: (none)
17:53.42misha-strong<PROTECTED>
17:53.44SerajewelKSciccia-88: type your complete thought on one line, and hit enter, like this
17:53.47thingfish*plonk*
17:53.47Azartroll
17:54.05stousetSerajewelKS: Wasting your time, man :\
17:54.21misha-strongspew: i'll update my sources.list thing to stable now
17:54.24staggeSerajewelKS: do you know another client...
17:54.25shingouzHealot: gprs does rock but it is slow. a wlan is a lot more fun
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17:54.45SerajewelKSstouset: meh, i don't believe it's a troll until it's clearly demonstrated.  who knows, maybe italians like the enter key.
17:54.48SerajewelKSstagge: nope
17:54.55stewstagge: btdownloadmanycurses
17:55.08SerajewelKSstagge: rtorrent is a console-gui one in testing
17:55.12thingfishhow much clearer a demonstration do you need, SerajewelKS?
17:55.13jkernstagge, I have used rtorrent, seems very efficient
17:55.15stousetSerajewelKS: Not saying he's trolling. Just that you're not gonna get anywhere. AFAIK it's incurable :P
17:55.46thingfishyeah, maybe not a troll per se, but irritating enough (and doesn't seem to care).
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17:56.11shingouzbye bye ciccia :p
17:56.16thingfishyeah, darn.
17:56.19staggethx a lot at SerajewelKS and jkern and stew, i'll try it out
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17:56.44misha-strongstew, will you be on in 24 hours?
17:57.04staggehave a nice day! bye
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17:57.09stewmisha-strong: yes
17:57.13Azarsweet news :) IBM issues subpoenas for tech giants' SCO dealings
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17:57.33misha-strongk caus it says this huge message and Lost II is starting so gotta go, thanks
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17:57.42ejofeeis there any standalone subtitle displayer for gnu/linux?
17:57.55LemmihHiya. How do I downgrade my 'make' from 3.81beta4 to 3.80? Should I find a .deb? And if so, where can I find it?
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17:58.17markybob!snapshot
17:58.17dpkgmethinks debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/
17:59.02stewLemmih: what version of debian are you running?
18:00.00Lemmihstew: Unstable.
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18:00.37jarangoI am having problems playing DVDs with xine. The DVDs menu work fine but if I select a title or feature Xine will not play it. It will just display XINE in big letters on the playback window
18:00.54stewLemmih: you could try just installing the version from stable
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18:00.54draganHi there, I'm running Debian 3.1 and I've just installed KDE. I want to change my resolution, but in peripherals:display I can only go up to 800x600. How do I fix this?
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18:01.11abrotmandragan: what is your video driver?
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18:01.23stewLemmih: but it begs the question: Why do you want the older version?
18:01.26draganabortman: no idea, and how do I find out?
18:01.39abrotmandragan: you would have selected it when you installed X
18:01.40thingfish!abortman
18:01.46abrotmanheh
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18:01.48tarzeau!popcon
18:01.48dpkgit has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
18:01.59abrotmantarzeau: damn you .. i was diong that for you while you were gone!!!!!
18:02.01thingfishI figured for sure there'd be a factiod on that one.
18:02.04Estes2I'm installing an X window system on a computer that only has a network plug connected, no mouse, no keyboard to access it throught network, like a remote desktop or so. the thing is X configuration system asks me for a mouse or a keyboard. By experience, i know X will refuse to start if they are not present, how can i override this and configure X to start even without nothing connected ? mouse->gpmdata ?
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18:02.07Azarwelcome back mr tarzeau :)
18:02.17Lemmihstew: The newer version contains a bug which prevents me from compiling the Glasgow Haskell Compiler.
18:02.22draganabortman: I remember selecting vesa?
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18:02.33abrotmandragan: and what is your video card?
18:02.34tarzeauabrotman: heh ,how could i've known? GOD AWFUL DAMN POWER OUTAGE UN-ANNOUNCED ONE
18:02.45abrotmantarzeau: don't you hate that .. damn turbine siezed again!
18:02.45thingfishooh don't you hate those.
18:02.47draganabortman: I don't think I have one - this system's pretty old.
18:02.53tarzeauabrotman: you know what? 200 queries/irc channels lost, more than 10 irc network connectsion POUF
18:02.56abrotmandragan: lspci | grep -i vga
18:02.57draganabortman: 4mb integrated graphics I think
18:02.59Lemmihstew: How do I install it from stable?
18:03.01tarzeaui hate my power supplier!
18:03.01stewLemmih: why compile it?
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18:03.13abrotmantarzeau: is it proprietary power?
18:03.14azeemtarzeau: get a USV!
18:03.17draganabortman: what is that and what do I do with it? (complete newbie :()
18:03.23abrotmandragan: tell me what it is :)
18:03.25azeemeh, UPS, or whatever
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18:03.34Azardragan that is a command that will tell you about your video driver
18:03.37raz0rg
18:03.39nvznwhat patches are recommended for linux-2.6.8 on a p2?
18:03.44abrotmanazeem: uninterruptable service vendor ?
18:03.48stewLemmih: what version are you compiling?
18:03.49tarzeaunvzn: 2.6.8? that's so old
18:03.50Lemmihstew: I'm a GHC developer.
18:03.54nvzntarzeau: its sarge
18:03.54azeemI think that was the german abbreviation for it
18:04.07tarzeaunvzn: there's a 2.6.15 sarge installer
18:04.13nvzntarzeau: and i cant get linux 2.6.15 to boot
18:04.16azeemwhy reinstall sarge?
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18:04.21tarzeaunvzn: your compiled one?
18:04.26tarzeaunvzn: or the one from the .jp guy?
18:04.35jarangoPlease help. I am having problems playing DVDs with xine. The DVDs menu work fine but if I select a title or feature Xine will not play it. It will just display XINE in big letters on the playback window
18:04.47Azarany means for gaming huh
18:04.51stewLemmih: download it from pdo.debian.net/make ; and dpkg -i the deb
18:04.53kspath!services
18:04.53dpkgi heard services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers, or
18:04.54nvzntarzeau: off testing mirrors
18:05.05Lemmihstew: Thanks.
18:05.05nvzntarzeau: kernel-image
18:05.05thingfishjarango: you have all the necessary libdvd* stuff?
18:05.14tarzeaunvzn: testing is old too
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18:05.24stewLemmih: i'm curious how ghc-cvs and ghc6 pacakges compile in unstable with the make in unstable however
18:05.24jarangothingfish: let me check
18:05.28Azul_Leonis this better?
18:05.28tarzeaunvzn: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm
18:05.38Azartarzeau why chromium listed on both, stable and testing repositories, but is not working ok in stable?
18:05.40Azul_Leonoh thank god... i can talk now
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18:05.45debtomihi all
18:06.23debtomi..
18:06.23stewLemmih: do you think it is a bug in make or a problem with the ghc Makefiles?
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18:06.35tarzeauAzar: ask its maintainer? or check bts?
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18:06.41Azul_Leonto the general public here -> Apt-Get won't let me install the linux-wlan-ng package i need for my Prism2 WiFi...  can somebody help me figure out what i need to look at or do?
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18:07.06blondieAzul_Leon: what do you mean it "won't let you"?
18:07.11nvzni dont understand this migration of udev/hotplug
18:07.17kspathI wonder when/if /etc/services file will get updated?
18:07.23Azul_LeonI get an error - i'll read it again and tell you
18:07.43stewAzul_Leon: /msg dpkg bat
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18:07.51Azartarzeau, it's ok I can wait for etch.. I have enough cool games
18:07.59Azul_Leon"package linux-wlan-ng is not available, but is referred to by another package etc etc"
18:08.05krummiehi, are travan backup devices being supported by debian to backup stuff?
18:08.16kspathI wonder if I should report /etc/services in a bug report for being ANCIENT
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18:08.20Lemmihstew: I'll ask around. One moment.
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18:08.38rabieshow do i make it so that apt wont remove a package even though its missing dependencies?
18:08.39stewLemmih: i just want to make sure bugs are filed in the appropriate places
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18:08.52stewrabies: install the missing dependencies
18:08.56rabiesright now i have a package that has all its dependencies satisfied, but apt doesnt know that due to package misnaming
18:08.59nvzntarzeau: i should just install the kernel from unstable then?
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18:09.11stewrabies: /msg dpkg equivs
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18:09.23tarzeauAzar: which are your favourites?
18:09.24stewrabies: what package? what version of debian?
18:09.26jarangothingfish: I think I do have the libdvd* libraries.
18:09.34tarzeaunvzn: or that, yes or build your own if you can
18:09.41avarkspath: is it out of date with IANA assignments?
18:09.46thingfishjarango: including libdvdcss2?
18:09.54Azul_Leonok - don't exactly know why i was told to send dpkg a pvt msg with 'bat' in it
18:09.54nvzntarzeau: its a p2 ... building takes a long time sure
18:09.57stew!nvzdrink nvzn
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18:10.10nvznstew: cheers!
18:10.22kspathavar: VERY VERY VERY VERY far out of date
18:10.24rabiesstew: unofficial package that is still using the stable naming convention
18:10.28jarangothingfish: Yes, I was only missing the development version
18:10.29nvznbbl
18:10.32rabiesstew: there a equivs guide anywhere?
18:10.40stewrabies: /usr/share/doc/equivs
18:10.44kspathavar: 1997 wants it's /etc/services file back
18:10.54jarangothingfish: Its very weird because it plays the menus fine
18:10.54gros|awayHi. I've updated the cupsys package to the 1.1.23-15 version, which now fails with the "Unable to bind socket for address 0a000001:631 - Address already in use." message. Anybody else got that problem and found a solution for it ?
18:10.57Azul_Leonok sorry - i'm still trying to get used to how things are done in here
18:10.58thingfishjarango: ah.  well then I don't know what could be the problem.  DVD playback is fine here.
18:11.02avarkspath: it does?
18:11.12thingfishjarango: yeah that's what was puzzling me.
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18:11.42thingfishjarango: sarge, or other?
18:11.43jarangothingfish: Thanks a lot for wanting to help
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18:11.56Azul_Leonstew - i just pasted the output in #flood
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18:11.59kspathavar: yeah, apparently 1996 and 1997 got together and voted to make us use a 2005-2006 services file
18:11.59jarangothingfish: testing
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18:12.01Azartarzeau: amphetamine, nethack, supertux, frozenbubble, technoballz, trackball, xscavenger, lbreakout2, penguin command, pathological, xgammon
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18:12.10jarangothingfish: but I compiled my own xine
18:12.12thingfishjarango: well then who knows, really.  check BTS.
18:12.13stewAzul_Leon: oh i'm not in #flood
18:12.18thingfishjarango: tsk
18:12.36avarwhich package has gtkdocize ?
18:12.37thingfishyou come asking for help with something you compiled?  That's rude.
18:12.45javioloazul_leon use pastebin
18:12.53Azul_Leonstew is in flood now
18:12.56jairAzar, jetscreamer all I needed to do is install the package: kdemultimedia-kio-plugins and everything works :)
18:13.08Azul_Leoni can barely move around in this desktop - my mouse is being VERY weird
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18:13.32javioloazul_leon http://pastebin.com/
18:13.38Azarjair, I see you are using kde... I don't therefore did not know exactly what you needed
18:13.43sebl_anyone happen to know how to enable authentication to SMTP in postfix when using Satellite System? (have googled, searched postfix.org etc)
18:14.11krummiewhere can I download the smallest debian iso? any direct link?
18:14.20thingfish!d-i krummie
18:14.21dpkgkrummie, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.
18:14.29Lemmihstew: It's a make mis-feature. Here's the report: http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=15584
18:14.49Lemmihstew: Thanks again for your help.
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18:15.03javiolokrummie http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
18:15.18Azul_Leonhm... pastebin.com?  don't know if i can get my browser to come up right without a mouse
18:15.23stewLemmih: ahh reported by manoj, i'm sure he's doing the Right Thing then, thanks
18:15.26AzarI guess without kde or gnome, I will not get full engine support for some games, but that's ok. I have enough games to have fun
18:15.29krummieyeah I knew about that but I know there is a smaller one than the 108Mb one
18:15.34krummiewhere can I get that?
18:15.40stewAzul_Leon: it looks like there are no wlan-ng packages in stable.  I don't know why
18:16.01stewAzul_Leon: you could maybe backport one, /msg dpkg simple sid backport
18:16.02abrotmankrummie: that's the business card ISO .. it's only usable if you're 100% sure your NIC will work
18:16.08Azul_Leonyeah - i think it was classified as "unstable", but I don't know how to add that stuff to my apt-get in order to get the package
18:16.10abrotmankrummie: it's 40MB
18:16.13abrotman!d-i
18:16.13dpkgFor stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
18:16.17rabiesstew: thx
18:16.24abrotmankrummie: err .. 50MB
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18:16.34abrotmankrummie: there are also floppies
18:16.38stewAzul_Leon: you can't directly install that pacakge on stable, it's compiled against an unstalbe libc, you would need to backport it
18:16.53Azul_Leoni'll read what dpkg has to say
18:16.55Azul_Leon1 min
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18:17.09vhurenhow do you check what are the mx records for a particular domain?
18:17.18buht-wcan someone help me with an apt-get upgrade issue i keep running into... its failing during removeing gnome-session and apt-get -f install is failing too
18:17.33gros|awayHi. I've updated the cupsys package to the 1.1.23-15 version, which now fails with the "Unable to bind socket for address 0a000001:631 - Address already in use." message. Is there a way to solve that issue ?
18:17.39buht-wduring removing gnome-session i see the following : update-alternatives: --slave only allowed with --install
18:17.40stewvhuren: dig domain.com mx
18:17.50myrdig IN MX tondomaine.com
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18:18.15stewgros|away: stop the running version of cpus, "netstat -plant" as root will show you the pid
18:18.27killfillhey how do i extract the content of a .deb file?
18:18.36abrotmanar x
18:18.39stewgros|away: err "netstat -plant | grep 631" is probably better
18:18.43Azarkillfill: dpkg -i is the command
18:18.51abrotmanAzar: unpack .. not install
18:18.52killfillAzar: well thats for installing..
18:18.56Azarah sorry
18:18.58stewkillfill: dpkg -x or dpkg -e depending on what you want to extract
18:18.58abrotmanar x
18:19.03gros|awaystew: there is currently no cups process running.
18:19.11Azul_Leonhrm... I don't know how to add the correct line in my sources.list file
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18:19.19Azul_Leondpkg was kind of vague :/
18:19.24vhurenstew: thanx
18:19.26stewgros|away: then "netstat -plant | grep 631" to see what is running
18:19.28gros|awaystew: and actually nothing running on port 631
18:19.32killfillabrotman: oh greate
18:19.44abrotmannot what you wanted?
18:19.51buht-wi cant seem to get apt-get install to successfully finish in the state that its in right now... failing to remove gnome-session with some update-alternatives error
18:19.56killfillyep thx
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18:20.04stewgros|away: if you are SURE then file a bug against the package
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18:20.08AzarAzul_Leon: apt-primer howto intro: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130
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18:20.25krummieabrotman yeah that one
18:20.26krummie=)
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18:20.31Azul_Leonthanks azar - i'll go read some of that
18:20.33stewgros|away: what happens when you "telnet localhost 631" ? do you get connection refused?
18:20.36madazuluhrm, when i try to mount my cdrom it says "wrong fs type, bad superblock".. but i have typed iso9660, any suggestions?
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18:21.13gros|awaystew: yes.
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18:21.39krummieabrotman where can I see if my fasttrak lame raid controller chip is being supported by that 50Mb bootcd?
18:22.26Azarhahahaha, I neglected for so long my windows box, now IE won't work, woof big loss
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18:23.33starfishyIE wont work? How utterly terrible :D
18:23.55Azarwell it seems IE got banned from connecting :)
18:24.17starfishyface it, your life is over ;)
18:24.45Azarit feels good to have the Debian box with all applications up and running normal :)
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18:25.24krummiewhat do you guys recommend to baclup a server? as in what software to use.
18:25.29stewkrummie: there is no such thing as a fasttrak raid controller.  but the fasttrak ide cards should be supported by the 2.6 install kernel
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18:25.53krummiestew onboard wannabe fasttrak raid controller: yes
18:26.04stews/raid/ide/
18:26.07grendal_primeanyone know how to set up base on snort system?
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18:26.17krummiesupporting raid 0/1
18:26.36starfishyall the onboard 'raid' controllers are IDE controllers with limited software raid support
18:26.36miguelfwhere can I find postfix
18:26.37krummiestew I wonder why Intel calls it raid and providing it onboard
18:26.48starfishythey are no true hardware raid controllers
18:26.49stewkrummie: they are lying to you
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18:27.03stewkrummie: its just an ide controller.  it doens't do raid, you need to do software raid with it
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18:27.17krummielike I said: "wannabe"but what are we discussing right now? I mean like flame the ones who named it a raid controller such as Promise?
18:27.19starfishyif you want a hardware raid controller you need to buy a PCI board
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18:27.39starfishy3ware, for example
18:27.41markybobmiguelf, what are you asking?  postfix.org or apt-get install postfix?
18:27.44abrotmankrummie: no idea
18:27.54krummieI allready have real raid cards I only asked if the one called fastrak is supported. No more
18:27.55krummiegeez
18:27.56stewkrummie: to make sure you understand that you won't see any raid arrays that might have been setup by windows drivers for it
18:28.20miguelfmarkybob: just finding out if dpkg react to messages sent to channel :\
18:28.26stewkrummie: if you want to see the configuration of the 2.6 install kernel /msg dpkg config-2.6.8-2-386
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18:29.06DevilChaoshi
18:29.13krummiestew thanks. You could have told me that in the first place instead of flaming me and not Promise or what ever manufacturer of any wannabe raid chip/controller
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18:30.03stewkrummie: 13:27 < stew> krummie: there is no such thing as a fasttrak raid controller.  but the fasttrak ide cards should be supported by the 2.6 install kernel
18:30.30stewkrummie: seems like i did tell you. and I'm sorry if you consider what I was doing flaming, i was really trying to just make sure you understood
18:30.35DevilChaoshey stew been busy today?
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18:30.46stewyes
18:31.26krummieyes, you did tell me about it being supported but you could have told me in the first place: [19:28:23] <stew> krummie: if you want to see the configuration of the 2.6 install kernel /msg dpkg config-2.6.8-2-386 . Since I'm a newb in this channel
18:31.38starfishykrummie: what exactly of the things stew said do you consider flaming?
18:31.40starfishyjust curious
18:31.41krummieanyway; enough of this allready. It's a loss of energy
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18:31.48stewkrummie: i told you in the first line that i wrote to you that it was supported
18:31.52serfurjdoes anyone use the method here http://www.backports.org/instructions.html for backports?  for some reason, "apt-get upgrade" wants to upgrade all packages to the backports version.
18:32.02stewkrummie: sorry, i'll put you on ignore so i won't be tempted to help you in the future
18:32.06abrotmanserfurj: did you try using pinning ?
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18:32.52abrotmanstew: have i mentioned .. i'm so ready for spring! :)
18:32.56kspathDo I need to submit a fully updated /etc/services file in order to get it updated before next stable release?
18:32.59krummiestarfishy to clarify if it's a raid controller or not. I really don't care what it is. It came onboard on this old box. I only called what the manual said. "Raidcontroller"
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18:33.12serfurjabrotman: i'm reading about it now..
18:33.14abrotmantoo bad it's not a raid controller :)
18:33.18stewabrotman: i'm not, i went to the adirondaks this weekend to go x-country skiing and there was no snow
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18:33.24starfishythats not flaming, at least not by the common definition of 'flaming'
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18:33.38krummieidd it's too bad =)
18:33.41abrotmanstew: i don't enjoy skiing .. used to do a good bit of it as a kid .. but not in a long time ..
18:33.51kspathI guess I could just ignore the problem and use a copy of FreeBSD /etc/services and IANA services/ports instead
18:34.00stewabrotman: its even less enjoyable with no snow
18:34.00starfishystew: i just came back from Snowboarding in Mt Rose
18:34.06krummiebut thanks dudes
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18:34.12abrotmanstew: is it like that credit card commercial? :)
18:34.22abrotmanstew: my dad said he has a bunch of snow .. he's not that far from you
18:34.48abrotman!tell Cionek about root
18:34.50starfishystew: sucks that there was no snow :(
18:35.08stewwhat was worse was we had no power in the cabin for 2 days, so no showers, only woodstove heat/cooking, buckets to flush the toilets...
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18:35.27starfishyback-to-the-nature experience ;)
18:35.54stewi could at least recharge the laptop in the car :)
18:35.58abrotmanheh
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18:37.41Azul_Leonya - i bought a power inverter just to do that
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18:38.34tarzeaunvzn: build it on a fast machine?
18:38.39tarzeaunvzn: you've never built on a 486 , right?
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18:39.16tarzeauAzar: tried supertransball2, pathogen, ladder.app, gridlock.app, shisen.app, mines.app, stepbill.app yet?
18:39.32tarzeauAzar: jumpnbump ? http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ?
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18:39.53lajdjrihi, how i disable my second network card(not onboard) from identifing on boot?
18:40.07kleinlappies_hi
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18:40.11stewAzul_Leon: thats silly you are going from dc to ac to dc then, you can just get a dc laptop powersupply that plugs right into the cigarette lighter
18:40.29broomyanybody know where i should pu my kernel source so that the nvidia installer can find it and compile my graphic card drivers
18:40.43Azul_Leoni had other equipment that needed ac output so i just bought the inverter
18:40.45sepski!nvidia one-liner
18:40.45dpkgi heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>
18:40.57kleinlappies_the tv out on my laptop how difficult is it to get it working? (newbie)
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18:41.39sepskikleinlappies_, depends on your gfx card chipset
18:41.45Azul_Leonoh yeah - one more question to anybody -> when i installed debian i was presented with a xorgconfigure-like interface so that i could configure the basic X stuff like video modes, mice, etc... can somebody tell me what the prog name is in Debian to start that again?  My mouse and video are messed up in X
18:41.57passando-raivaNo DHCPOFFERS received. alguem sabe oq eh ? :/
18:42.06sepskiwith nvidia it's easy if you can read the nvidia one-liner and the README about tv out
18:42.08arabian#flood i have get this erorr when try to updat kde :: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/konq-plugins_40x1.70722bfb440f8p-8953.5.0-3_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/apps/konqsidebartng/add/metabar_add.desktop', which is also in package metabar
18:42.08arabianhttp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kdeaddons/konq-plugins_3.5.0-3_i386.deb
18:42.14stew!drxx Azul_Leon
18:42.15dpkgAzul_Leon: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>
18:42.16kleinlappies_here it comes its a ati mobility
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18:42.38sepskikleinlappies_, i'v never bought ati since they are(was?)  a pain to configure
18:42.57sepski!ati
18:42.57dpkgRead http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti
18:42.58Azul_Leonthanks stew - that will help me to keep my sanity with this crazy mouse and stuff
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18:43.02sepskitry that url
18:43.45kleinlappies_dpkg thanks gonna read bout it now
18:43.45dpkgmy pleasure, kleinlappies_
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18:44.38sidplease someone ?, I need 3d support for my sis760
18:44.49arabianany help her i have use the runlevel 3 also and use dist-upgrade but it is the same ???
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18:45.09broomy!nvidia one-liner
18:45.10dpkgit has been said that nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>
18:45.10Azartarzeau, I am sitting with Sarge packages - no kdm or gnome as well - I will wait when etch comes out to get more games :)
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18:45.47tarzeauAzar: gnurobbo? it'll take YEARS until etch comes out
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18:46.37sidI was trying install the winischhofer driver, but I Can't make the 3d aceleration for my sis760
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18:46.40boguhwhen i try to attach my screen, i get this error: Cannot find terminfo entry for 'rxvt-unicode'
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18:47.00Azartarzeau, :) nah not years, afterall I spent 3 years using woody and playing nethack only (I did not use X for 3 years ) :) I am patient
18:47.01broomy!<non-free sources>
18:47.11broomy!non-free sources
18:47.11dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
18:47.30tarzeauAzar: wow! respect
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18:47.45arabianhttp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kdeaddons/konq-plugins_3.5.0-3_i386.deb
18:47.50arabianany help her i have use the runlevel 3 also and use dist-upgrade but it is the same ???
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18:48.02Azartarzeau, I love gaming but I have plenty of stuff to study on Debian so I am not bored at all
18:48.03sidI was trying install the winischhofer driver, but I Can't make the 3d aceleration for my sis760 someone?
18:48.11arabian#flood i have get this erorr when try to updat kde :: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/konq-plugins_40x1.70722bfb440f8p-8953.5.0-3_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/apps/konqsidebartng/add/metabar_add.desktop', which is also in package metabar
18:48.49jshoenbergerHow can I connect to a windows machines network share when all I have is text?
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18:49.20jairguys when I am running k3b I am trying to rip a cd from .wav to mp3 I receive and error and I think I am missing some kind of econding plugin??
18:49.28markybobsmbclient ?
18:49.32sepski!samba
18:49.34dpkgwell, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html)
18:49.36Azul_Leondoes anybody know off the top of their head if Debian has support for Prism2 usb built in ?
18:49.43jairencode!
18:49.57jair!encode
18:50.00Azul_Leoni should have probably asked that question first
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18:50.41lokaola
18:50.52jairAzul_Leon, I am alsoms sure that it does kernel 2.6.8-2 does I am almost sure
18:50.52sidloka: jao
18:50.54arabianis thir is any one wishe to help me ????????
18:51.02markybob!ask
18:51.03dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
18:51.03sidI was trying install the winischhofer driver, but I Can't make the 3d aceleration for my sis760
18:51.11arabian#flood i have get this erorr when try to updat kde :: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/konq-plugins_40x1.70722bfb440f8p-8953.5.0-3_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/apps/konqsidebartng/add/metabar_add.desktop', which is also in package metabar
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18:51.17jairarabian, how can I help you?
18:51.26abrotman!tell arabian about overwrite
18:51.33abrotmanstew: we got a new factoid!!!
18:51.34broomyE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
18:51.35abrotman!overwrite
18:51.36dpkgThe reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename>
18:51.43broomyhow do i solve this: E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
18:51.53Kerr_hey.. a friend of mine is being ddosed on all ports; anyone know some good iptables rules he can apply to lessen the damage? I'll be honest and say i don't know what distro he uses, but it can't matter that much?
18:52.01jairarabian, are you using sid etch or stable?
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18:52.18abrotmanKerr_: yeah .. have him call his ISP
18:52.23sidjair, sid and xorg
18:52.23Ts0pgood morning room
18:52.33arabianjair i use unstable
18:52.35abrotman!room
18:52.36dpkgCHANNEL!
18:52.43abrotman!tell arabian about overwrite
18:52.48Kerr_abrotman: his shell provider is offline; he's emailed but no reply, the attack has been going strong all night.
18:52.50Azul_Leonjair - that would explain why wlan-ng isn't included in the latest stable release
18:52.53Azul_Leonthanks
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18:53.04jairI am trying to rip a cd from .wav to mp3 on the k3b and I am getting an error about encoding missing?
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18:53.21markybobpeople have got to start listening
18:53.25dannyp_Kerr_: if it's a DDoS of any real magnitude and a computer with decent processor capacity, I'm guessing bandwidth is what's running out, not processor on the machine
18:53.28jairAzul_Leon, ok not peoblem
18:53.34Kerr_abrotman: geh. seems the box is freebsd. I'm even more cluless than when i assumed it was linux :)
18:53.35AzarAzul_Leon: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/efffd45a3c208bca/43b00eccb196faee%2343b00eccb196faee?sa=X&oi=groupsr&start=1&num=2
18:53.36dannyp_Kerr_: unless it's a *really* fat pipe
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18:53.52jairarabian, and what are you trying to do is upgrade the kde?
18:53.59abrotmanKerr_: he should call his ISP and report it
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18:54.13abrotman!tell jair about lame
18:54.25PreacherManAnyone called "rebel" here?
18:54.25dannyp_Kerr_: what you'd want to do with iptables is DROP as many packets as possible
18:54.33sepskiKerr_, about the only thing he can do is  drop instead of reject. and only accept on needed services from known good hosts.  both will have alsmost no effect. getting in toucht with isp is about the only effective one
18:54.57Ts0pi'm new to linux, finaly afriend gave me a cd and told me to install it..it's audito seturity live cd....i used it and i really like linux now there was an option on the cd on how to install it in the hard disk so i did so, reboot and everything work fine
18:55.08Ts0pplease if someone can help me
18:55.20Ts0pi put my pcmcia card
18:55.34dannyp_Kerr_: I'm comfortable with ipfw, so I can give you syntax if that's what needed, but there's no point in anyone bothering if the machine's processor (or memory bus, at that) isn't maxed out
18:55.40markybobTs0p, ...this is #debian, not audito blah blah blah
18:55.44sepskiTs0p, we would but you are in the wrong channel.  I have never used this cd
18:55.48jairabrotman, so in order to me rip those files I have to install lame mp3 encode.
18:55.52Ts0pand when i type iwconfig i get "eth0"
18:55.57abrotmanjair: yep
18:56.01jairabrotman, and create my deb from the tar ball?
18:56.07markybobTs0p, if you dont have a debian question, this is *not* the place to ask
18:56.21Ts0pi do
18:56.21sepskiTs0p, use google to locate the homepage of the distro you use. and read that homepage to find the support for your livecd
18:56.27jairok I will check that site you send me then
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18:56.32Eulex!based on debian
18:56.33dpkgSorry you're not running Debian, but something based off of it.  If you're lucky you might get help in #debian and if you are extremely lucky it might even solve your problem, otherwise your best bet is to use the support channel for your chosen distro. If people tell you to go there, please don't argue/complain or demand support
18:56.37abrotmanjair: no .. read the factoid .. see marillat
18:56.53Ts0pi did google and i found out it''s based on debain
18:56.57Azarhi mr Eulex :)
18:57.00markybobTs0p, which is  NOT DEBIAN
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18:57.20arabianjair i tray to dist-upgrade
18:57.22Ts0pso i wanted to know if i can get help from u guys and install debain instade
18:57.24DevilChaoswhat is he running just out of curiosity?>
18:57.25markybobbased on debian != debian.   really  not that hard to understand
18:57.28sepski!d-i
18:57.29dpkgFor stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
18:57.32EulexAzar, that's about the first time I've been called "mr Eulex" :)
18:57.41Ts0palso do u guys advice me to start with debain since i'm a newbie
18:57.43RoninTs0p: install debina is easy, just read the factoid dpkg just said
18:57.45AzarEulex, I love protocols
18:57.50Estes2Hi everyone :) How should i connect an xdmcp server under linux ? kdrc doesn't seem to have such option... it'ssomething i totaly forgot
18:58.14AzarAzul_Leon: if you read all that link scroll more to find out how that guy managed to fix his stuff
18:58.19dannyp_Ts0p: debian was the first linux distribution I didn't want to shoot myself for using.  Granted, that was a long time ago
18:58.34sepskiTs0p, if you are able to follow simple instructions in written form  you can start with debian. otherways i'd start with something simpler
18:58.34jairarabian, ohhh I see but from stable to sid? or in the "sid"?
18:58.35Azul_LeonAzar - yeah - i'm doing that right now - thanks
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18:58.45EulexAzar, hehe
18:58.47Azargoogle rules
18:58.58Estes2in other words, what's a good xdmcp client... ?
18:59.00dannyp_as much as it pains me to think that 1998 was "a long time ago" in the computer world
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18:59.02mtrakerNas
18:59.13jair!marillant
18:59.16Ts0p:)
18:59.26AzarI guess I will become mr google for most of people here
18:59.40jair!marillat
18:59.41dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer>  being the most popular. See  http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or  http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt  greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid>
18:59.45akira_anybody know of a linux app that can edit .vsd file (ms visio)?
19:00.01dannyp_google is useful, but it scares the hell out of me
19:00.04Estes2Azar, still, "xdmcp client" didn't show nothing on google
19:00.09jairabrotman, from there I can get it just adding the deb url to the source.lst
19:00.13dannyp_the privacy implications of the data they have... or, for that matter, that anyone who spies on them has...
19:00.15Estes2!xdmcp
19:00.15dpkgxdmcp is probably if using a recent xdm .deb, comment last line in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config to enable xdmcp at all! also edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess to specify which clients are allowed to use XDMCP - a single line of "*" means "anyone in the world"
19:00.21Ts0pok so guy i want to be here everyday and learn as much as i can ..okay
19:00.28AzarEstes2: depends how you ask
19:00.37Estes2as i shown
19:00.38Ts0pans i don't want to be soopfed
19:00.44Estes2xdmcp client
19:00.54Ts0pteach me how to fish , so i'll not bug you hehehe
19:00.57arabianjair no i use unstaple and i need to upgrade to kde 3.5 frome unstable to unstable
19:01.13AzarEstes2: you can use your topic in any context to get google to spit answers
19:01.20kleinlappies_dpkg. went to go and look at the site but there is nothing on there about tv-out.
19:01.23markybobTs0p, read the installation manual
19:01.29dannyp_Ts0p: this channel, like most IRC channels I've been to that offer tech support, tends to help people that help themselves
19:01.38Estes2anyhow, this doesn't help me to get my answer
19:01.41Estes2geeez
19:01.45markybobTs0p, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
19:01.51AzarEstes2: what is the issue?
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19:02.03kleinlappies_i can go googling but it is so time consuming just trying there first
19:02.12dannyp_personally, I'll still help people who don't help themselves, but I want a contract first.  I'm actually very flexible on rates, however (seriously)
19:02.54Estes2Azar, no particular issue, i just have set gdm to accept xdmcp connection, this is the part i remember, how to connect to it is what i forgot
19:02.59Azardannyp_: with that kind of spelling, your resume will fail
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19:03.06Ts0pmarkybob what is the diff between all these ...alpha and so on
19:03.14dannyp_Azar: surely you jest?
19:03.49AzarEstes2: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gdm+accept+xdmcp+connection&btnG=Google+Search
19:03.55Ts0pwhich one should i use
19:04.01markybobTs0p, type of architecture.  processory type.  if you dont know, then you want intel x86.
19:04.03hirenhello , I'm unable to install kernel 2.6 on a Dell 2850 , kernel 2.6.15.4 . mkinitrd looks for megaraid2 module which is not there in 2.6 . I added megaraid_mbox to /etc/mkinird/modules and run the command but the boot still fails with a kernle panic
19:04.07Estes2just found
19:04.10Estes2using an xterm
19:04.12Estes2stupid me
19:04.15Estes2i remember it now
19:04.17Estes2thanks Azar
19:04.32Azar:) you are welcome Estes2
19:04.32dannyp_Azar: that was an intentional, and popular, mispelling.  it's for humor purposes
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19:04.49Azardannyp_: oh well sorry I did not realized
19:05.01kleinlappies_tv-out on a acer laptop with a ati mobility gfx card any help ???
19:05.04Azul_Leonok
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19:05.08Azul_Leoni read that article
19:05.18Azul_Leonthere is one last thing i need to ask
19:05.18SethWI am using DD to backup a hard drive. how do I see how far it's gotten? Is there some way to do something with SIGINFO that will let me see progress without interupting?
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19:05.43Azul_Leonwhy do i get an error saying that ncurses-devel package is missing when i try to do a "make menuconfig" ?
19:05.46starfishyseth: use du to check the output file size
19:05.48Azul_Leonand how may i fix it
19:05.49jairabrotman, so i after I add the marillat source I should do apt-get update and apt-get install mp3-lame??
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19:06.00markybobAzul_Leon, apt-get install libncurses5-dev
19:06.08Azul_Leonooooh it's under a different name
19:06.17Azul_Leonyay that was easy - i'll go try it right now
19:06.20SethWstarfishy: I'm piping the output file thru gzip -9
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19:06.39starfishyseth: then you will just have to wait, im afraid
19:06.54starfishybtw, gzip -9 usually is a waste of time
19:07.08Ts0pmarkybob i will install the full CD sets (via jigdo) i386
19:07.09starfishylesser levels of gzip zip almost as good
19:07.16starfishyhow big is the partition you are backing up?
19:07.17Ts0pright
19:07.20Estes2Azar, btw, i was not looking at how to configure the server, i was looking at how to connect to it
19:07.23SethW25 GB
19:07.37ribnitzHow od I bot into a windows that does not boot through grub?
19:07.41markybobTs0p, do you have a fast internet connection?
19:07.51Estes2it's X -query IP and there must haev something else cause it fails telling the server is running on display 0
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19:07.54Estes2:(
19:07.58jairabrotman, lame?
19:08.02Ts0pmarkybob dsl .... it's 14 cd's ??!!
19:08.13Azul_Leonok - i lied - 1 more question...  since i'm still a linux newb a bit i wanted to know how i an stop gdm from starting whenever i boot my debian OS ---  Gentoo had a rc-update del command ... debian doesn't. care to either give me a link or tell me?
19:08.14markybobjair, yes, lame.  he told you earlier.  it'll make mp3s for you
19:08.14jairabrotman, but it shows like it is not an mp3 encoder
19:08.18ribnitzTs0p: usually you get the netinst image
19:08.30markybobTs0p, if you have a fast internet connection, use this http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
19:08.33starfishyTs0p: why in all the world do you need a complete CD set?
19:08.42starfishyi second that
19:08.44jairmarkybob, but then the k3b will not rip any .wav file to mp3 without lame?
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19:08.49markybobTs0p, it's about a 100MB download and then it'll download the rest of what you need during install
19:08.49starfishynetinstall only downloads what you need
19:08.56kleinlappies_my amarok is so slow
19:08.57SethWribnitz: why doesn't it?
19:09.00Ts0pstarfishy hehe don't know
19:09.22ribnitzSethW: Well ,i removed a (non-booting) disk, and since then, it refuses to start.
19:09.48sebl_anyone happen to know how to enable authentication to SMTP in postfix when using Satellite System? (have googled, searched postfix.org etc)
19:10.01ribnitzSethW: worked fine beforehand, I am quite sure the grub settings are ok.
19:10.02kleinlappies_how do i make my amarok faster or just a bit quicker
19:10.16abrotmanjair: lame is an mp3 encoder
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19:10.41Ts0pmarkybob hmm.ok i'm downloading the i386 now i'll install debain in one of my laptop it's an hp and my intention is to use a wifi
19:10.41ribnitzkleinlappies_: most of it is kde tuning. kde is a resource hog.
19:10.54SethWribnitz: so the windows is still on the same partition of the same drive in the same scsi or sda port?
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19:11.14markybobTs0p, have fun.  make sure you choose "linux26" when the cd gives you the boot prompt
19:11.16ribnitzSethW: I havent changed anything there, no.
19:11.21jairabrotman, ok thank you for confirm that with me but If I want to rip with the k3b that will now work right?
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19:11.45kleinlappies_ribnitz can you tell me how to tune kde (i'm kinda a newbie
19:11.45ribnitzSethW: therefore a wa to bnoot it would be great.
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19:11.52SethWAzul_Leon: update-rc.d -f gdm remove
19:12.01adiihello
19:12.11adiiwhat's the command so i can add a user X to a group Y ?
19:12.18ribnitzkleinlappies_: how much swapsapce is currently used in your system?
19:12.26ribnitzadii: adduser
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19:12.33Azul_LeonSethW, thanks alot - that is much easier than i thought it would be for debian
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19:12.54markybobadii, adduser X Y
19:12.59AzarEstes2: I googled for "gdm accept xdmcp connection" and you can search through all those links somwhere you can find something related to your issue
19:13.01Ts0pmarkybob ok will do sir, it's downloading now ...i also downloaded the install man i'll put it in my pocket pc so i'll read on it while iam at work then by the time i compe back from work everything should be set, i'll log back in for support
19:13.11ribnitzSethW: Linux boots fine. win just doesnt.
19:13.12jairabrotman, you rocks it works it is ripping from wav to mp3 nice
19:13.20markybobTs0p, we'll be here
19:13.20ribnitzSethW: not even a message.
19:13.29kleinlappies_nothing? no swap is being used. my pc is ok its just amarok thats so slaggish
19:13.31Ts0pthank you all for your kind help and will talk to u guys soon
19:13.57Ts0pagain thank you all for being very helpfull to me
19:14.05ribnitzkleinlappies_: what exactly in amarok is sluggish?
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19:14.37Azarstarfishy: maybe for people without a connection
19:14.47dvm1981starfishy: I have download the 14cd to use it in virtual pc's. Nice, less downloads ...
19:14.49abrotmanjair: see .. i didn't lie to you
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19:15.18ribnitzSethW: If it was a bus issue, I would at least get a bluescreen.
19:15.38dvm1981starfishy: And like i retry several times :-/
19:15.44kleinlappies_ribnitzwell to skip song and stop pause and play eg. the track stops like a second after a push stop
19:15.53hirenI need some help in getting 2.6 to work on debian 3.1 on a dell 2850 using the perc4/i  raid controller card
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19:16.15ribnitzkleinlappies_: those songs are no the harddisk?
19:16.41ribnitzkleinlappies_: Went through the amarok settings, there is a fade option.
19:16.47kleinlappies_well its on a external drive via usb
19:17.06ribnitzkleinlappies_: that is usb2.0, yes?
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19:17.13jairabrotman, hahaha ok thank you so much, this is the thing then, anybody that needs to rip .wav cds to mp3 will need to get the "lame" package from the marillat source list :)
19:17.21abrotmanjair: right
19:17.37kleinlappies_ribnitz yep it is
19:17.38ribnitzkleinlappies_: in other word,s if you play the song with xmms, do you get the same prob?
19:17.45jairabrotman, it is not a !whatever for this case?
19:17.53abrotman!lame
19:17.53dpkgmethinks lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs.  Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'.  Get .debs from  <marillat> or <rarewares>
19:17.53SethWribnitz: can you mount and look at the windows drive/partition from linux?
19:17.58kleinlappies_jair no not at all
19:17.58abrotmanlike i told you twice
19:18.40jairabrotman, but that one does not explain that k3b will ask you for it to get the .wav works in the encoding to mp3
19:18.51abrotmanjair: because it's not k3b specific
19:19.30dvm1981rarewares? hhhmm
19:19.36kleinlappies_jair its fast that why i can't get why amarok is so slow
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19:20.03kleinlappies_jair sorry wrong guy
19:20.14XTFHi. Is limits.conf ignored if you use start-stop-daemon --chuid?
19:20.36kleinlappies_ribnitz sorry man spoke to the wrong guy ... no its quick and fast when i use xmms
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19:20.37stewi actually started legally making mp3's recently, without knowing it
19:20.37ribnitzSethW: If you tell me how to do that, yes
19:20.46Azul_Leongah - i hate when i hit the wrong button
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19:23.20ribnitzSethW: worked fine, till i removed that other drive.
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19:23.46EtherNetAzar, exactly!
19:23.47EtherNetthank you
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19:23.53SethWribnitz: was that a windows drive? if so, what drive letter? what version of windows?
19:23.56sebl_anyone happen to know how to enable authentication to SMTP in postfix when using Satellite System? (have googled, searched postfix.org etc)
19:24.16dvm1981EtherNet: 8139cp ?
19:24.24jairabrotman, ok sounds good
19:24.39jairabrotman, I figure it out anybody else can figure it out as well :)
19:24.46abrotmanok
19:24.51ribnitzSethW: /dev/sda, C: in windows, sda1 is ntfs 40GB, sda2 is fat32, 10G, rest (sda3-9) are linux.
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19:26.14SethWribnitz: so you removed the C:, the /dev/sda?
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19:26.29ribnitzSethW: no, i didnt.
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19:27.00ribnitzSethW: I removed another disk (K:), /dev/sdb
19:27.00SethWribnitz: what device did you remove/replace?
19:27.07SethWribnitz: aha
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19:27.30ribnitzSethW: as far as I can tell the position on the bus is the same.
19:27.35Azul_Leonwhile i'm thinking about it and watching all these answers fly around i wanted to say thanks for helping me out on those rather 'random' questions i had earlier... you made my life alot easier
19:28.22kdean06I've been having some problems with my ethhernet interface dying after it is set up and running. Specifically, I get an error "eth0: Command 0x3002 did not complete! Status=0xf000" Can anyone help me resolve this issue?
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19:29.09striderany reason as to why using the official ATI debian drivers is discouraged?
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19:29.25PSparrowwhat kernel should I install on stable?
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19:29.42ribnitzPSparrow: 2.6.x
19:29.49KakiharaI've got a bit lost in the installation guide. I want to install debian onto a drive (which I believe is unpartitioned) containing xp, without destroying what's already there - i.e. a dual-boot. Could someone give me a couple of minutes to explain how to go about it please?
19:29.51Azul_Leoni'm running 2.6.8 myself
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19:30.01PSparrowI have the one that comes with debian
19:30.01striderPSparrow: 2.6.x unless you have a specific reason not to
19:30.06PSparrow2.6.8-2
19:30.10SethWribnitz: try making a mountpoint [mkdir ~/ntfs] then mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 ~/ntfs
19:30.12Azul_Leonya
19:30.15PSparrowbut I cant burns cds with it
19:30.19Azul_Leoneh?
19:30.21PSparrowat least with my account
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19:30.24PSparrowroot is ok
19:30.24SethWthen you can see if all the files are still there
19:30.34PSparrowthere is a bug...
19:30.35KakiharaSpecifically I want to know how I prepare the disk for the linux installation
19:30.41Azul_Leonif root is ok then it's a group-membership issue i think
19:30.41PSparrowbug#277083
19:31.40PSparrowcdrecord is suid root
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19:32.20Azul_LeonKakihara, i have dual-boot XP and Debian on my laptop - I booted to a LIveCD first and created an Ext2 partition where I installed Debian to
19:32.23Spudchathi, i set up a debian server that doesnt have anything more than a power and ethernet cable attached to it
19:32.25SethWKakihara: there is a dynamic re-partion utility as part of the install CD process, but beware, sometimes it loses your data.
19:32.27PSparrowI have the same problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2004/10/msg00272.html
19:32.33Spudchatis it necessary to keep all those ttys open?
19:32.44ribnitzSethW:  Invalid boot sector checksum.
19:32.45Azul_Leononce I made the partition Debian installed quite nicely
19:32.45PSparrowso I have to install a newer kernel version
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19:32.52PSparrowwhat do you recomend?
19:33.08ribnitzSethW: Are there any win32 live cds out there?
19:33.13abrotmanhahaha
19:33.58ribnitzabrotman: I know it sounds silly.
19:34.06kdean06Kakihara, I have an article for you to read. http://www.aboutdebian.com/dualboot.htm but your first step is to free some space on your drive. There are several Doze apps that can do this, but I have never used them, so I won't reccomend any.
19:34.30kdean06Kakihara, And if you have Doze on the drive already, it is partitioned.
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19:34.38Azul_LeonI used Acronis Partition Expert to free up drive space on my laptop
19:34.39KakiharaAzul_Leon & SethW: Thanks - I've made a downloaded and burt the bootable netinst installation disk.
19:34.53striderribnitz: actually there is, BART PE or something like that
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19:35.12ribnitzstrider: that seems to need a windows system to build it.
19:35.15Fox_1_hi all
19:35.18stewPSparrow: what does "uname -r" say?
19:35.36Kakiharakdean96: I'll check that link right away. What I'm concerned about is which bits of the disk need to be free. I've got 60GB free space, but presumably the data I've got saved might be spread out across hte disk?
19:35.39PSparrow2.6.8-2-386
19:35.40Fox_1_any free antivirus program for debian???
19:35.48stewFox_1_: clamav
19:35.54PSparrowlooks that 2.6.8-14 fixed the problem
19:35.58PSparrowor -12
19:36.16Azul_LeonKakihara, if you use a partition manager program like acronis partition expert or partitionmagic it will manage that for you
19:36.21SethWribnitz: You could try using your windows install CD to repair your XP. I'd make a grub boot floppy first though incase it hoses your MBR.
19:36.36kdean06Kakihara, partitioning is kind of like building walls in a disk, it allows a single drive to act like many. You might have 60GB free, but it is probably part of the Windows partition, and to linux, un-useable.
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19:36.44stewPSparrow: what version does "dpkg -l kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386" report?
19:36.48dvm1981ribnitz: The recovery method
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19:37.21stewPSparrow: you should just have to "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386" to get the latest
19:37.21dvm1981ribnitz: Press the 'r' key when you boot the CD rom of that shit
19:37.30SethWKakihara: defrag before beginning
19:37.41ribnitzdvm1981: I know.
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19:37.56Azul_Leongood recommendation, SethW
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19:38.00KakiharaAzul_Leon & kdean86 & SethW: So is it wise to use an app like partitionmagic to make the partition, and not rely on the debian installer?
19:38.03dvm1981ribnitz: That it's 'shit' ?? Sory ;-)
19:38.05Fox_1_stew: does it has mail checking??
19:38.08KakiharaI'll defrag now....
19:38.13PSparrowstew, the latest stable has some years
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19:38.25draganSo I've downloaded firefox with Konqueror and now I want to install it - I just have a .tar.gz file - what do I do with it?
19:38.30stewPSparrow: huh?
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19:38.35Azul_LeonKakihara, I used a partition magic like program - yes - and it worked fine
19:38.42centrxdragan, why don't you install it with the Debian packaging system?
19:38.44thingfishdragan: there are firefox .debs available.
19:38.45SethWKakihara: I've never lost data with the installer.
19:38.46PSparrow2.6.8-2 is too old
19:38.55PSparrowthe bug was fixed on 2.6.8-12
19:39.04PSparrowbut 2.6.8-12 is not in stable
19:39.07draganHow do I do it without the .debs?
19:39.17ribnitzdvm1981: Unfortunately some osftware of mine does not run in linux.
19:39.18thingfishdragan: iyhtays
19:39.21stewFox_1_: yes, with one of the amavis pacakges
19:39.21KakiharaThe Debian installation guide suggests that the installer is likely to do a better job than windows apps
19:39.29Azul_LeonPSparrow, if you do that dpkg command from above here you will see your version.  I did it and mine is 2.6.8-16sarge1
19:39.31stew!info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 stable
19:39.43pipelineKakihara: You've been warned.
19:39.49pipelineKakihara: We all obviously believe in the debian way of doing things.
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19:40.03dvm1981ribnitz: Ha, because it 'shit', again, im have completely leave M$ and believe me there are many alternatives, better!
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19:40.14lord_robI can't find "nvidia" anymore when doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in sid. Do anyone have this problem ?
19:40.16Azul_LeonKakihara, I did it with the partition program first and formatted the new partition in ext2 using the same program before ever booting into a debian cd
19:40.31draganthingfish: what is iyhtays?
19:40.36ribnitzdvm1981: M$bashing is no constructive approach, sorry.
19:40.39thingfish!iyhtays
19:40.39dpkgIf you have to ask, you shouldn't.
19:40.40stew!tell dragan about iyhtays
19:40.57stewPSparrow: the command i gave you will get you the 2.6.8-16 version of 2.6.8-2
19:41.10PSparrowthen my sources.list is pointing to a non working mirror
19:41.11thingfishdragan: if you're looking for firefox 1.5, backports.org has it.
19:41.19dpkgkernel-image-2.6.8-2-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 13728 kB, Installed size: 41244 kB
19:41.20stewPSparrow: what version does "dpkg -l kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386" report?
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19:41.35PSparrowii  kernel-image-2 2.6.8-16sarge1 Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386.
19:41.36draganThank you good sir. I'm guessing .tar.gz is the complicated way ^_^
19:41.39dvm1981ribnitz: Because it's really not a good on, the M$, compared to other good stuff!
19:41.43KakiharaAzul_Leon: Which program did you use? Freeware?
19:41.48thingfishdragan: it is not the way to do things in Debian.
19:42.02KakiharaI really appreciate the help guys.
19:42.04stewPSparrow: then your security mirror is in fact working
19:42.05Kakiharaty
19:42.11stewPSparrow: do you have the ide-scsi module loaded?
19:42.12draganSo, if an app doesn't have a .deb file for it, I'm screwed?
19:42.21Azul_LeonI used acronis partition expert...  it's not exactly freeware, but neither is partitionmagic
19:42.24stewPSparrow: and do you have the ide-cd module loaded?
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19:42.29Kakihara:)
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19:42.31PSparrowarg
19:42.33SethWdragan: you can do it, it's just harder.
19:42.33thingfishdragan: Debian has a huge pool of developers working to provide Debian-ready packages for almost anything you could ever hope to install.
19:42.40PSparrowI think you find the problem
19:42.49stewdragan: what app are you looking for?
19:42.49PSparrowlrwxrwxrwx   1 root   root       24 2005-12-21 11:32 vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386
19:42.59stewPSparrow: that looks correct
19:43.11Azul_Leonyep
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19:43.47PSparrowstew, no I prefer the ATA: interface
19:43.56SethWdragan: even stuff not in the 30,000 packages on the official mirrors usually has debianized packages from other sources.
19:43.59Azul_Leonnote to self:  using menuconfig and compiling your kernel takes a L O N G time :/
19:44.02stewPSparrow: thats a no to which question?
19:44.12PSparrowstew PSparrow: and do you have the ide-cd module loaded?
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19:44.42stewPSparrow: does that mean you are trying to use ide-scsi? you shouldn't with a 2.6 kernel
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19:45.07PSparrowno, I use dev=ATA: option with cdrecord
19:45.14PSparrowso I dont use scsi bridge
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19:45.44Estes2What's an extremely lightweight window manager for X ?
19:45.52stewEstes2: ion3 / ratpoison
19:45.57SethWestes2: icewm
19:46.02dvm1981Estes2: Openbox ?
19:46.08stewPSparrow: you need to NOT have the ide-scsi module loaded and you need to have the ide-cd module loaded
19:46.12dvm1981Estes2: Fluxbox ?
19:46.14SethWestes2: flwm, twm
19:46.30Estes2hum
19:46.30stewPSparrow: and you shoudl just be using dev=/dev/hdc or something similar, no need for ATA:
19:46.43Estes2blackbox would be ?
19:46.49Fox_1_what does exim can do?? send or receive mail???
19:46.57Estes2Fox_1_, send
19:47.01dvm1981Estes2: Same as Fluxbox, but an older version i think
19:47.08Fox_1_and what does sendmail do?
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19:47.10stewFox_1_: transfer mail to and from other MTAs
19:47.12Estes2i see
19:47.14Estes2thanks guys
19:47.16PSparrowits the same
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19:47.19draganon backports.org there's about 50 files for firefox - which one should I get? and could someone explain the naming conventions -  firefox_1.5.dfsg-3bpo1_i386.deb     = ???
19:47.28ZugschlusFox_1_: sendmail and exim can do the same - send mail, receive mail, and deliver to local mail spool
19:47.31centrxEstes2, blackbox would be good, fluxbox adds some features that you might or might not want/need
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19:47.53Fox_1_i need for webmail server.
19:48.04RoninFox_1_: then install one
19:48.05xali want to create a directory like /var/www/shopify.com in which many users can deploy data using svn export. Is there a way to *force* every file underneth to be created as g+w ?
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19:48.12Fox_1_i need for multiwebmail server.
19:48.13dvm1981centrx: hhmm :-)
19:48.16thingfishdragan: you running sarge?
19:48.26draganthingfish: yessir
19:48.30stewFox_1_: you likely already have a mta, what does "dpkg -S sbin/sendmail" return?
19:48.50thingfishdragan: add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main
19:48.57thingfishdragan: then apt-get update.
19:49.07Fox_1_stew: yes i have installed exim4.
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19:49.32thingfishdragan: or, if you prefer (after su-ing to root) open synaptic after editing and do Reload.
19:49.56stewdragan: firefox_1.5.dfsg-3bpo1_i386 means that 1.5 is the upstream version. dfsg means the upstream .tar.gz was altered to make the tarball compliant with the dfsg, -3 means its the 3rd debian version of the 1.5 package and bpo1 means its the first version of the -3 revision uploaded to backports.org, afik
19:50.22ZugschlusFox_1_: if you're doing this for education or private enjoyment, you might want to read up on e-mail basics (there are plenty of docs on google)
19:50.37ZugschlusFox_1_: if you're doing this to provide a commerical service, hire somebody who knows what to do
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19:51.07draganthingfish: i've no idea how to do either of those - i'm brand new to Sarge and KDE and linux in general :(
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19:51.38Fox_1_Zugschlus: i'm doing this for my noncommercial sites.
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19:51.54stewdragan: then why not, for now, just stick with whatever version of firefox is agailable in sarge?
19:51.57thingfishdragan: open a terminal.  type su and give it root's password.  then type gedit (or kwrite if you use KDE) /etc/apt/sources.list and add the line.
19:51.59resiakxal: No, there is not. This is a long-standing problem :)
19:52.03Fox_1_Zugschlus: debian.am , a-r.am , developer.am ...
19:52.03stewavailable*
19:52.21resiakxal: The standard hack is to run chmod -R g+w /var/www/shopify.com from a cronjob every n minutes
19:52.25Estes2Fox_1_, you aslo should read about openrelays to avoid setting one up
19:52.53xalresiak: thats ridiculous...
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19:53.20stewxal: make sure everyone has the correct umask
19:53.33resiakxal: It's a failing of the unix permission system. You can munge umasks, as stew says, but there's no way to _force_ it
19:53.40Fox_1_Estes2: openrelays?
19:53.56xalok :(
19:54.06Spudchatallright guys im in the /etc/inittab and am trying to disable tty2-6, i see the line 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2 , what should i change respawn to, or should i just comment out the whole thing
19:54.27Estes2Fox_1_, yes, search this on google and when you understand what this is, keep it in mind while configuring an smtp server to avoid having it
19:54.35resiakSpudchat: man inittab
19:55.12Spudchatthanks a lot, it should be off hehe
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19:55.44Estes2hum... running X + gdm + fluxbox seems to get over my poor 266 Mhz server... i certainly should go xdm instead
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19:55.55draganthingfish: KSirc just crashed on me - can you send me that /etc/sources line again?
19:56.15Red_CloudI am changing my debian distro from sarge to etch.  I need to change the reference in /etc/apt/sources.list to refer to etch.  What is the exact syntax that I need to use for the etch?
19:56.35BlissexRed_Cloud: you cant do that. It is impossible... :-)
19:56.51nvzRed_Cloud: e t c h
19:56.52Estes2Red_Cloud, change anything beeing 'stable' or 'sarge' to 'etch'
19:56.56thingfishdragan: sure.  deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main
19:57.12nvzheh
19:57.21stewdragan: what is wrong with the firefox in sarge?
19:57.23resiakRed_Cloud: man sources.list
19:57.27Estes2Red_Cloud, then, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
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19:57.30stewdragan: is there some reason you NEED 1.5?
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19:57.42draganstew: i used a minimal install 180mb ISO - it's not here.
19:57.52stewdragan: apt-get install mozilla-firefox
19:57.53draganstew: firefox I mean - or at least I can't find it. :)
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19:57.59resiak!tell dragan -about search
19:58.01Ronindragan: so then install it as stew just said
19:58.13thingfishstew: while I agree with you, this is harmless enough, don't you think?
19:58.20nvzstew: firefox is sarge is becomming quickly dated.. most of my fav extensions no longer work.. granted you can keep the old ones, but the new versions dont
19:58.22cyberkniI have a funny problem on a debian machine I recently built. When I try to use man(i.e: man ls). I get the following error: man: invalid option -- F
19:58.41stewthingfish: well it was as i expected, he was going after backports becuase he didnt' think there was any sarge version at all
19:58.44Red_CloudThe syntax presently in the sources.list is:  deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050607)]/ unstable contrib main
19:58.52Red_Cloudexactly what should I change this to read?
19:58.53nvzstew: the extensions out now are all 1.5+
19:58.55resiakRed_Cloud: unstable is not Sarge
19:58.59thingfishstew: ah, that does make a difference.
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19:59.18draganalright, should I apt-get install  mozilla-firefox?
19:59.26thingfishdragan: yes!
19:59.28draganor is there a better method?
19:59.32thingfish:)
19:59.42pipelineEstes2: X is innately slow.  xdm versus gdm probably isn't the issue.
19:59.46thingfishno, apt-get is perfect.
20:00.01pipelineEstes2: Hell, more than likely, you're just running out of memory.  X is a goddamn monster on RAM.
20:00.03Estes2hum
20:00.04draganSweet, it's ticking away on shell.
20:00.11pipelineEstes2: I have a 50 MHz machine that runs Solaris pretty well -- but it has like, 300M of RAM.
20:00.18Estes2i got 512MB or ram
20:00.30pipelineEstes2: Well crapola.  Sorry.  Are you also running a browser? ;)
20:00.31thingfishdragan: apt-cache search foo is good to know.
20:00.32Estes2hum
20:00.39Estes2why is X so ram-hungry ?
20:00.39Red_Cloudresiak, I believe that these refer to updates or upgrades from apt.  I am not certain about this.
20:00.48pipelineEstes2: Design errors.  *shrug*
20:00.52pipelineEstes2: It's always been that way.
20:00.56Estes2what about xorg ?
20:00.57resiakRed_Cloud: Just run apt-setup, and read `man sources.list`
20:01.02pipelineEstes2: Xorg *is* X.
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20:01.16Estes2there's xfree86....
20:01.25pipelineEstes2: Xorg has become the reference implementation of X.  Xorg is a fork of XFree86.  They're largely the same.
20:01.52draganthingfish: so, just a general question - whenever I want to install something or change a system component of sarge, I need to switch to root by su, right?
20:01.52Azul_Leonya - xorg is also quite a bit nicer
20:01.52pipelineEstes2: The only significant difference between XFree86 4.5 and X 7.0 is that the mainstream X uses different build scripts.
20:01.52Estes2is there something else runable than X ?
20:01.56Silent_al!xorg
20:01.56dpkgxorg is, like, X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg
20:02.00pipelineEstes2: Uh, there's mgr.  But there are hardly any applications that use mgr.
20:02.01PSparrow:)
20:02.03Estes2that could run gtk, qt and such instead
20:02.10thingfishdragan: yes, as in any distro of GNU/Linux, you need to be root to do most major tasks.
20:02.12Estes2hum
20:02.13Estes2crap
20:02.15resiakEstes2: The framebuffer
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20:02.22pipelineEstes2: You can run individual GTK apps directly on a framebuffer, but that's really really unpleasant.
20:02.22resiakEstes2: you can build some gtk apps for the framebuffer
20:02.38pipelineEstes2: X11 is a RAM-hungry monster, but it's here to stay.
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20:02.56pipelineEstes2: Look at it this way: Firefox is so goddamn huge, it uses like 3x as much RAM as X11.  And X11 is huge all by itself.  So... :)
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20:03.03cyberkniI have a funny problem on a debian machine I recently built. When I try to use man(i.e: man ls). I get the following error: man: invalid option -- F. I check for funny aliases but there are none for man. Any ideas?
20:03.09cissewhats the dpkg command to found usb command ?
20:03.14pipelineEstes2: Your browser will, more than likely, use more RAM than everything else on the system combined.
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20:03.27pipelinecisse: you could install apt-file and search all installed files to find out what package a given file is in....
20:03.28Estes2yes, i already noticed this
20:03.31draganthingfish: cool, now how do I change my resolution to be 1024x768? in the settings, peripherals:display, it only goes up to 800x600 - but my monitor is big and these pixelated graphics are annoying. what do I do?
20:03.32resiakcyberkni: Have you checked the bts
20:03.35resiak!drxx dragan
20:03.36dpkgdragan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>
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20:04.15pipelinedragan: The "display settings" or whatever applet in any desktop software can't go higher than the default resolution.  You have to reconfigure X.  "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 && dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config"
20:04.21Estes2Is there any project to clean this all out ? I mean X beeing a monster
20:04.26pipelineEstes2: Nope.
20:04.28thingfishdragan: what kind of video card do you have?
20:04.42pipelineEstes2: There's work on making X faster, but nothing to make it smaller or more elegant.
20:05.04Azul_Leonhaha i just installed apt-file because you said that... nice
20:05.05Blissexpipeline: actually, some people occasionally try to do that...
20:05.29draganthingfish: i've no idea - this is an old computer and it porbably has embedded graphics (how do I find out?)
20:05.35Blissexpipeline: the K-drive servers were fairly small. And the Cairo based server are arguably more elegant. But it is all experimental work.
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20:05.59pipelineBlissex: Those will never be mainstream. They're comedy options.  Note that all of those people ran into showstopping bugs...
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20:06.05moshiiHas anyone elses xorg just maigcally disappeared in unstable?
20:06.05cyberkniresiak : I checked again and did not find anything specific to my issue
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20:06.17Azul_Leondoes anybody know when xgl will be available for Debian?  I saw a demo of it yesterday and it was sweet!
20:06.20pipelineBlissex: There's no complete re-implementation of X that's not riddled with bugs.   Even XFree86 is just a really old, highly-developed fork of the original MIT code.
20:06.40pipelineAzul_Leon: Xgl won't be available until X 7.0 is available.  Sid still has X 6.9.
20:06.53Azul_Leonok - thanks
20:06.53frdflintis there a linux app for store inventory control ?
20:06.54mortalhow does xgl work on radeon r200?
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20:07.00pipelinemortal: Slowly, but very well.
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20:07.09pipelinemortal: The bugs in the Radeon driver should be fixed soon, or so I hear.
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20:07.13pipelinefrdflint: Not really. :(
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20:07.26frdflintdarn
20:07.31Azul_Leoni can't wait to get xgl installed on my laptop... :)
20:07.32mortalpipeline: great!
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20:07.33ftp3if I install perl 5.8.8 by source on debian 3.1 will it break debian or apt or anything?
20:07.36mortalpipeline: I love my radeon
20:07.40pipelineAzul_Leon: When X 7.0 makes it into sid, you can bet on Xgl being available very soon.
20:07.42frdflinti know of a store owner wanting to move to linux
20:07.47Azul_Leonhehe
20:07.52pipelinemortal: Heh, well, it works great now, but it's really /slow/ due to bugs.
20:08.00mortaloh
20:08.09pipelinefrdflint: Well, there's not really much in the way of inventory or accounting software.  There's no free knockoff of peachtree or quickbooks, that's for damn sure.
20:08.12tarzeauAzul_Leon: you've got an x86 laptop with nvidia gfx?
20:08.13stewftp3: yes
20:08.22mortalpipeline: could it be possible to download some new radeon binary module from cvs
20:08.23tarzeau!xgl
20:08.23dpkgi heard xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/ ,or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto" .
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20:08.26mortalwithout compiling the whole thing
20:08.27Azul_Leonholy mother... this kernel compile is taking over an hour now :/
20:08.31pipelinefrdflint: If you just want straight double-book accounting, no inventory, gnucash is pretty good.
20:08.40pipelinemortal: No.  Building DRI/DRM from CVS is a really big pain in the ass.
20:08.50Blissexpipeline: there are a few packages like that though, even if not localised for many countries accounting/tax laws.
20:08.55pipelinemortal: Trust me, you don't want to try it.
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20:08.59frdflintnaw this guy ha a small engine shop with tons of parts
20:09.08mortalthen I'll just wait for unstable to have it
20:09.08pipelineBlissex: Nothing, NOTHING comes close to peachtree / quickbooks.
20:09.14ftp3stew: ok, thanks
20:09.21stridermortal: it's not that hard really
20:09.30BlissexThere are quite a few pretty good checking book packages for linux, and even some pretty good generic accounting packages.
20:09.34pipelineBlissex: And peachtree and quickbooks are both fucking horrible.  They're just BAD software.  But they're so complicated, so difficult, there aren't really any free equivalents.
20:09.37Blissexpipeline: yes, those are very polished indeed.
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20:10.00draganpipeline: what exactly does: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 && dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config" do?
20:10.01pipelineBlissex: GNUcash is fine for the simplest double-book accounting, but they don't do any of the stuff that RPM, Peachtree, Quickbooks handle.  (inventory, tax, payroll...)
20:10.08Azul_Leondoes anybody have a sources.list entry i can use to have apt-get search through unstable packages?
20:10.10frdflintthink there may be a retail app?
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20:10.43pipelinedragan: "dpkg-reconfigure" changes values in the debconf batabase. xserver-xfree86 is the name of the package whose values you want to change.  "dexconf" is a command that generates the X configuration file using the values in the debconf database.
20:10.55stewftp3: the only way to do it safely would be to make sure that the newer perl doesn't install as perl but as perl5.8.8 or something and would have to not mess with stuff like the /usr/lib/perl/5.8 symlink. though i think you should avoid it entirely, if you mess up perl on dpkg, then you will have trouble getting the old one back
20:11.01Blissexpipeline: there are actually fairly full features accounting apps for GNU/Linux, well beyond checking book things, just not as polished as QuickBooks/Peachtree
20:11.01pipelinefrdflint: Trust me, this is not a good tree to bark up :(
20:11.16pipelineBlissex: There's nothing even in the same league.  I've been here, and gone home very disappointed :(
20:11.17frdflinthe he where should i look?
20:11.38draganpipeline: so, how does that help me to change my resolution then? what do I do after that?
20:11.44ftp3stew: thanks, i will try to work without it
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20:12.09thingfishdragan: there is a place in dpkg-reconfigure where you pick your display resolution.
20:12.15pipelinedragan: You restart the window system.
20:12.16cyberknimtnman: invalid option -- F
20:12.17Azul_Leondragan - the process to reconfigure requres you to enter in acceptable display modes for your monitor
20:12.31pipelinedragan: You're trying to change the default (maximum) resolution.
20:12.41thingfishdragan: you will need to know what kind of video solution you're using, though.
20:12.49pipelinedragan: After you set a default resolution, you can change the *current* resolution at any time, instantly.
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20:12.56Azul_Leonyes
20:12.58pipelinedragan: You just can't make it higher than the default.
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20:13.17steweraser: please turn that off in here
20:13.20pipelinedragan: It appears you set your default to 800x600.  You could change it to 640x480 instantly, but you can't make it higher than 800x600 without changing the X config.
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20:13.30draganAlright, so should I run that dpkg- line in shell as I did the apt-get command?
20:13.33pipelinedragan: It's a dumb system, but that's the way it is.
20:13.38thingfishdragan: yes.
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20:13.46pipelinedragan: Yup.  And it'll pop up menus and ask you questions about your video gear.
20:13.54thingfishwhich he doesn't know.
20:13.54kntwhat's default CFLAGS for debian packages?
20:14.04stewknt: there isn't one. its set per package
20:14.25sidI find the tool for convert sql to dia :D
20:14.28draganThank you. I'll see how it works after firefox is apt-gotten
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20:14.33pipelineknt: Most packages use -O2.  There's no default, though.
20:14.48kntstew: pipeline: thanks so much.
20:14.55stewknt: you're welcome
20:15.14thingfishugh.  too much coffee custard for lunch.
20:15.19pipelineknt: It's not like it matters that much :|
20:15.21thingfish<burp>
20:15.26solemnwarningive just installed debian testing
20:15.40solemnwarningwas is there no `lspci` program?!
20:15.54kntpipeline: sure it is.
20:16.01draganAhahaha, I've firefox. Yay! :D
20:16.22pipelinesolemnwarning: You have to install it.  "apt-cache search" is your friend.
20:16.37solemnwarninglspci should be included -_-
20:17.19solemnwarningnothing found with apt-cache search lspci
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20:18.08ftp3i am trying to compile apache 1.3.34 on debian 3.1.. but it says "ndbm.h" is missing.. do I need to add that file from a port? or does this sound familiar to anyone?
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20:18.35stewftp3: apt-get build-dep apache
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20:19.23ftp3stew,, thanks ;-)
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20:22.39sivanahow do I see a list of installed packages?
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20:24.07stew!wikifaq sivana PackageManagement
20:24.07dpkgsivana: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/
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20:24.52nailchipperanyone use aide? i just installed it and got sudo aide --config-check; /usr/bin/aide: line 9:  2476 Segmentation fault      /usr/bin/aide.real $@
20:25.04sivanathank you
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20:25.16tarzeaunailchipper: know BTS?
20:25.27alusI found defrag/e2defrag but it seems to not want to defrag my ext3 filesystem
20:25.33aluswhat should I use instead?
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20:25.41tarzeaualus: don't use any defraggers
20:25.45Roninalus: why do you wantto defrag it anynow?
20:25.45tarzeaualus: you really don't need it
20:25.50tarzeauRonin: he's bored
20:25.53thingfishalus: defrag is not normally needed.
20:25.55Ronintarzeau: heh
20:25.56stew!defrag
20:25.56dpkgi guess defrag is the best windows screensaver, or what windows users do for emotional satisfaction when the frequency of illegal operations and bluescreens has become too big
20:26.02thingfishyeah, that's a windows mindset.
20:26.04alusok, honestly I don't want to defrag, I want stats on how fragmented a file is
20:26.31alusI'm comparing some file writing mechanisms in my app, and I'd like to run stats of average fragmentation as a result of those methods
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20:27.13thingfishoh.  maybe he doesn't know that means "beer" in lithuanian.
20:27.18alusI do
20:27.21thingfishok cool
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20:27.53alusso, without reading the whole file sequentially and timing it to guess the number of seeks...
20:28.01doihi there. i have a ISA UM9008F network card. does someone knows which module to use? which io/irq should I use? thanks in advance!
20:28.07alusis there a way I can find the number of fragments a file is in?
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20:29.00kleinlappies_using my nokia phone the remote control my pc ?
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20:29.25junix|workis there a text terminal howto that is easy to follow??
20:29.25nailchippertarzeau: ah. there is! i forgot this server was amd64, which seems to be related
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20:30.24somePriestHi.  I'm trying to start X.  When I do, I see in the logs:  "drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1023 ... drmOpenDevice: Open failed".  I'm using a Radeon 9200 card.  Anyone else seen fixed this before?  Anyone else know a possible fix?
20:30.30kleinlappies_ati mobility tv out can anyone help
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20:30.44broomyinstalled the java runtime environment but firefox is bitching about no java
20:30.45Coweaterdoi: it's an ne2000 clone
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20:31.18stewbroomy: /msg dpkg java-package
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20:31.54doiCoweater,  should I use ne2 module? the kernel is Debian Sarge 2.4 default
20:32.27kleinlappies_what are some other cool sites to go and ask for help
20:32.28Coweaterthe module is ne2000 in 2.6, dunno about a ne2 module
20:32.30stewsomePriest: which driver are you using?
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20:32.51stewsomePriest: do you have the "radeon" kernel module loaded?
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20:34.18ronoveI'm having a problem with apt. whatever I try to install, it tells me sth about unmet depencies, sth that has to do with kdelibs4c2a and unmet depencies, even when the package I request hasn't got antything to do with kde.. This started after I tried to install amarok, in testing/unstable.
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20:35.20kleinlappies_pls some oher channels to ask for help on topics
20:35.25stewronove: what happens when you "apt-get install kdelibs4c2a"
20:35.40stewkleinlappies_: what topic?
20:35.46somePrieststew : xorg is using the ati driver in the device section.  Not sure if I have "radeon" drivers built into my kernel or not, does it not work with X's user-land drivers?  XFree86 worked fine.  This problem didn't happen till I went to X.
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20:36.01stewsomePriest: what does "uname -r" say?
20:36.16somePrieststew : 2.4.27-2-386
20:36.18stewsomePriest: does "lsmod | grep radeon" return a match?
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20:36.43somePrieststew : radeon                 94112   1
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20:37.19kleinlappies_stew well i woul love to get my tv out working on my ubuntu laptop
20:37.19abrotmanronove: so fix the dependencies
20:37.35abrotmanronove: apt-get -f install
20:37.37ronovestew: it tells me the newest version is already installed, and it prints the unmet depencies thing.. iirc, the  last thing I did was trying to install the kdelibs4c2a package I downloaded from packages.debian.org
20:37.49Azarkleinlappies_: ubuntu is not debian and you will not get ubuntu answers here
20:38.00abrotmanronove: paste the error somewhere
20:38.01abrotman!paste
20:38.01dpkgDo not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/
20:38.07ronoveabrotman, but that would delete my whole kde installation..
20:38.19abrotmanronove: paste the message please :)
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20:38.33ronovehow can I set the language for that command to english?
20:38.39somePrieststew : any thoughts?  You saw my output right?
20:38.41kleinlappies_stew oh sorry man i typed in at the wrong channel cheers
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20:39.02stewsomePriest: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel
20:39.08stewkleinlappies_: try #ati as well
20:39.08abrotmanronove: what language is it in?
20:39.20ronoveabrotman: dutch
20:39.22broomywhere is the java folder located?
20:39.30darkchow can I tell dpkg to show me more info when the postinst of a pkg fails ?
20:39.30abrotmanuhm .. well .. you can try ... it might be obvious anyways
20:39.38kleinlappies_stew thanks man i appreciate the help.
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20:39.51abrotmanronove: do you have any english locales defined?
20:40.03ronoveabrotman: don't think so..
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20:40.10Azarfor ubuntu users reminder: trying to fix/configure your system with solutions given here for debian will screw-up your entire setups.
20:40.13abrotmanronove: then it wouldn't work anyways ... just paste the error
20:40.13somePrieststew - Wuold upgrading the kernel help?  It ran fine with xFree
20:40.34abrotman!paste
20:40.35dpkgDo not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/
20:41.11ronovehttp://channels.debian.net/paste/paste
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20:41.22abrotmanronove: that's not right .. should be a number
20:41.24ronovehttp://channels.debian.net/paste/1900
20:41.35abrotmanah .. better :)
20:41.41ronove(sorry, didn't copy it ;) )
20:41.48abrotmanronove: what is the output of apt-get -f install ?
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20:42.12abrotmanronove: HEY .. i can't read that .. it's not in english!?!?! :)
20:42.26ronove<PROTECTED>
20:42.31ronoveabrotman, lol ;)
20:42.40abrotmanronove: VERWIJDERD  is REMOVED ?
20:42.43ronoveyeps
20:43.37abrotmanronove: you know what .. dutch looks HARD
20:43.38somePrieststew : Well, think I'm closer.  2.6 installed.  X still doesn't run, but this time at least it doesn't hang indefinately on an unescapable black sreen.
20:43.41abrotman:be dutch barbie
20:43.44abrotman!be dutch barbie
20:43.45dpkgTering, een plastic poppetje zijn is best wel MOEILIJK!
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20:43.49abrotmanack!
20:43.50ronoveLOL
20:44.09scyrmaeven google can't translate dutch.. :(
20:44.12abrotmanronove: can you also paste your sources?
20:44.22abrotmanscyrma: babelfish.altavista.com
20:44.46scyrmaah!
20:44.55ronovehttp://channels.debian.net/paste/1902
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20:45.21DevilChaoswhat is rpcbind used for?
20:45.22abrotmanronove: if those were my sources .. i wouldn't want to work either
20:45.36abrotmanDevilChaos: you mean the open port?
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20:45.43DevilChaosyup
20:45.52abrotmanronove: what happens if you "apt-get install kde" ?
20:45.59abrotmanDevilChaos: probably portmap/nfs
20:46.11DevilChaosoh yes
20:46.18DevilChaosoops forgot bout that
20:46.45ronovehttp://channels.debian.net/paste/1903
20:46.59ronovevereisten = depends
20:47.14abrotmanronove: what happens if you comment out the alioth line?
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20:47.20abrotman!info kdelibs sid
20:47.28dpkgkdelibs: (core libraries from the official KDE release), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 52 kB
20:47.41abrotmanronove: since kde 3.5.1 is in sid .. that line seems unneeded
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20:48.33epsilonronove: export LANG="en_EN" for english in current shell session
20:48.33abrotmanoh this looks promising
20:48.44abrotmanepsilon: if he has that defined in his locales
20:49.02drdeLtreEhdd space stats >> total: 1154.5GB used: 791.7GB (69%) free: 362.8GB (31%)
20:49.11abrotmanis that all?
20:49.32drdeLtreEsorry my script is fucking around
20:49.48abrotmanso turn it off
20:49.51drdeLtreEyep
20:50.09sidabrotam, sql2dia and autodia convert SQL file to dia diagram EXCELLENT!!
20:50.14ronovehm, it seems I had english locales defined..
20:50.17drdeLtreEwhere i can download the newest debian version? ... i cant find it
20:50.19sidabrotman, thanx for all
20:50.37ronoveabrotman, but it still gives me the smae error..
20:50.39emdashi'm trying to figure out which packages on my system are the largest, because i've got less than a gig free space on /. i've googled around, looked through the apt-howto and the debian reference. so far the closet thing I can find is on this page: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-search.en.html. However, I really want to print out a list of packages and sizes so I can sort them
20:50.43epsilonronove: what are you using, unstable?
20:50.48ronovehttp://channels.debian.net/paste/1904
20:50.55ronoveepsilon, yep
20:50.56abrotmansid: all works?
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20:51.11javiolodrdeltree http://www.debian.org/CD/
20:51.27abrotman!info libavahi-qt3-1  sid
20:51.30dpkglibavahi-qt3-1: (Avahi QT3 integration library), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.6.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 76 kB
20:51.34rkamaE: This installation run will require temporarily
20:51.34rkama<PROTECTED>
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20:51.35drdeLtreEthx javiolo
20:51.36epsilonand with "-f"?
20:51.43abrotmanronove: wait .. did you run apt-get update after commenting out that line?
20:51.52ronoveabrotman, sure
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20:52.01rkamaoops... :)
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20:52.14abrotmanronove: well .. double check .. because something seems amiss ..
20:52.16ronoveepsilon, but I don't really want to install kde or sth..
20:52.21abrotman!info kdelibs-bin  sid
20:52.24dpkgkdelibs-bin: (core binaries for all KDE applications), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 832 kB, Installed size: 2423 kB
20:52.57abrotmanronove: show the new `apt-get update && apt-get -f install`
20:53.10ronoveow, apt-get -f install doesn't require to remove anything :d
20:53.10rkamahttp://pastebin.com/567382 help
20:53.36rkamawhile trying to apt-get install anything
20:53.44drdeLtreEjaviolo ... wtf the 2 iso dvd?
20:53.48abrotmanronove: ok .. `apt-get update && apt-get install kde`
20:54.00abrotmanronove: paste all the output
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20:54.07ronoveabrotman, don't think I need to, since it works fine now.. :)
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20:54.20javiolodrdeltree If you want the base installation download the first cd not the dvds
20:54.24abrotmanronove: something is still wrong .. you should have kdelibs 3.5.1-2
20:54.44javiolodrdeltree later you can download what you need
20:54.48kleinlappies_hi whats a nice performance meter
20:54.59abrotmanperformance .. of WHAT?
20:55.04somePriestX complains that it "cannot open the default font 'fixed'".  The word fixed does not appear in my xorg.conf.  Which font path is the one for fixed?
20:55.09abrotman!fixed
20:55.10dpkgif you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix
20:55.21abrotmansomePriest: install xfonts-base
20:55.22drdeLtreEyes but its easyer to have everthing on a DVD/CD :)
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20:55.45ronovehttp://channels.debian.net/paste/1905
20:55.47kleinlappies_abrotman well my pc overall
20:55.49drdeLtreEthere r 14 iso cds
20:55.56drdeLtreEwich one i have to get?
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20:56.11javiolodrdeltree the first
20:56.18drdeLtreEjust the first?
20:56.20drdeLtreEok
20:56.32abrotmanronove: that looks better ..
20:56.33somePriestabrotman : It was installed, just did `apt-get install --reinstall install xfonts-base`, error still persists though.
20:56.43kleinlappies_abrotman i want to know when an app is making my pc go sower and those runaway prosecces
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20:57.00abrotmanronove: so you can install those and go to kde 3.5.1 if you want
20:57.52drdeLtreE./debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/
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20:58.00drdeLtreEis that the right version?
20:58.03drdeLtreE3.1_r1
20:58.24itachi-uohello all where i can download the bandwith module for apache2 ?
20:58.30somePriestabrotman : Ok, I see.  I had too --purge remove them, then install them again.  Thank you.
20:58.31kleinlappies_where can i get a kde app killer
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20:58.52rkamaapt-get -f install vim, or apt-get install vim gives this error, help: http://pastebin.com/567382
20:59.06abrotmankleinlappies_: top ?
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20:59.17abrotmandrdeLtreE: that is the current release of sarge
20:59.31abrotman!tell rkama about e2fsloop
20:59.35ronoveabrotman, I need the alioth repos for that?
20:59.35abrotmanerm
20:59.38abrotman!tell rkama about e2fsprogsloop
20:59.43abrotmanoh ffs
20:59.55abrotman!tell rkama about e2fsprogs loop
21:00.00abrotman!lose me
21:00.00dpkgabrotman: You Lose.
21:00.02drdeLtreEok
21:00.05kleinlappies_abrotman man thank you.!! c im a newbie and this help is amazing
21:00.09abrotmanronove: nope .. it's in sid
21:00.59debiankidhello all where i can download the bandwith module for apache2 ?
21:01.14ronoveabrotman, thanks :)
21:01.23abrotmanronove: all good ?
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21:01.40debiankid123 testing any1 is reading me here?!
21:01.50abrotman!any1
21:01.50dpkg*** any1: No such nick/channel
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21:03.04Estes2How come when i start nautilus under fluxbox, it somehow loads gnome's background ? is there a way to prevent this ?
21:03.09somePriestOk, so with xfonts-base purged, removed, and reinstalled, I can now start X.  I'm using ICEWM.  Although X doesn't seem to be using any fonts.  The menus contain no text, just a '-' instead of the expected text.  Grrr.
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21:03.53debiankidhello all where i can download the bandwith module for apache2 ?
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21:04.00debiankidhello all where i can download the bandwith module for apache2 ?
21:04.05ekkikristshut it
21:04.12ekkikristit's called cband, search for it
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21:04.19junix|workis there a text terminal howto that is easy to follow??
21:04.22abrotmansomePriest: might need other fonts .. like 75dpi or something
21:04.29abrotman!tell junix|work about grounding
21:04.37abrotmanjunix|work: text terminal for what?
21:04.45jonas3debiankid, check isc.org
21:04.49debiankidekkikrist http://cband.linux.pl:80/download/mod-cband-0.9.7.2.tgz   you mean this ?  cose that domain is not avaliable
21:05.00debiankidjonas3 ok let me check
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21:05.17junix|workabrotman: i want to hookup a null modem cable between a windows server and a linux server and be able to open hyperterm and get into the linux server
21:05.23x1234567startkeylogger
21:05.27jonas3debiankid: Sorry http://modules.apache.org/
21:05.33jonas3is correct url
21:05.46abrotmanjunix|work: ah .. gotcha . check tldp.org .. look for the "Serial *" manuals .. i forget exactly what it's called
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21:05.48IVSMy debian installer faults at the base-installation because the release-codename isn't set. Is this a bug? Or is it because my setup: netboot from the harddisk in low memory mode?
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21:06.00junix|workabrotman: have you seen anything else that isn't as tedious
21:06.11somePriestabrotman : Ya, I'm about to just install them all.  I wish packages would install dependencies, instead of those it needs to run only.
21:06.17jonas3mod_cband
21:06.25LinuxNIThey guys does anyone know what all files are needed int the folder i download to install a linksys wpc54g v2? i would like to delete the unneeded files so i can store the folder but it will take up less room :)
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21:06.37LinuxNITusing ndiswrapper
21:06.47LinuxNIT:)
21:07.00abrotmanjunix|work: google "linux serial console" :)
21:07.06junix|workthank you
21:07.14abrotmansomePriest: apt-get install x-window-system-core .. if that doesn't fix it .. x-window-system
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21:07.31SlayerXPLinuxNIT: return the card to the shop where you bought it and exchange it for one with proper linux drivers.
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21:08.04LinuxNITSlayerXP, where can i get a list of cards with proper linux drivers
21:08.18sid#Mandriva XD
21:08.25sidMandriba is a big sheet
21:08.52somePriestabrotman : I've reinstalled both in the last 20 mins.
21:09.05abrotmansomePriest: ah ok .. seems quite odd then
21:09.13LinuxNITSlayerXP, ?
21:09.42somePriestabrotman : Ya.  I eve purged removed icewm, and reinstalled.  Still not fonts.
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21:09.52abrotmansomePriest: is this on sid ?
21:09.54sidMandriva is not a GNU / Linux, Mandriva is only linux and not free, is a Windows linux, all is a wizard!!
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21:11.07somePriestabrotman : Unstalbe.
21:11.09*** part/#debian necro (i=necro@eu85-86-23-198.clientes.euskaltel.es)
21:11.14abrotmansomePriest: that is sid .. check the bts
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21:11.21SlayerXPLinuxNIT: from the internet, I imagine
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21:11.36SlayerXPLinuxNIT: atheros is one brand with proper linux drivers
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21:11.43somePriestabrotman : Sorry, BTS?
21:11.44LinuxNITthanks
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21:11.48abrotman!btssmite somePriest
21:12.03somePriestOh I see, Bug Tracking System.
21:12.04debiankidgrrrrr
21:12.09abrotmanSlayerXP: define proper .. last i knew .. sitll not in the kernel for various reasons
21:12.10_unstablemhallsmite was the best. :(
21:12.28_unstable!tell somePriest about bts
21:12.30debiankid:(((  grrrrr  modules.apache.org redirect to  http://cband.linux.pl
21:12.31nWo|Angelhi i have problems by running pidentd can anyone help me in german language ?
21:12.31kspath!smite _unstable
21:12.33neusCan anyone recomend me a good (ie small) FTP client for Sarge? (And a website of common/popular software for Sarge)
21:12.47SlayerXPabrotman: where proper is "not a windows-only binary lump"
21:12.49_unstableneus: lftp
21:13.01sid<<--- Cannot join #mandriva (You are banned). XD
21:13.05abrotmanSlayerXP: windows is a binary lump
21:13.09_unstableneus: That is command line interface(cli), if you want a gui use gftp.
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21:13.21debiankidi think am never going to set up apache2 with bandwith module
21:13.44seb-abrotman: can i ask you a kernel upgrade question?
21:13.50abrotmanyou can try
21:14.01jml6neus: ftp
21:14.14seb-abrotman: when you upgrade a kernel the debian way are there extra steps to redo all the modules too?
21:14.16abrotman!info gftp sarge
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21:14.23abrotmanseb-: all what modules?
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21:14.35neus!info gftp sarge
21:14.39dpkggftp: (X/GTK+ FTP client), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.18-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 52 kB
21:14.54emdashohhhhh
21:14.56emdashi see
21:15.03emdashfriend told me about dipgs
21:15.09LinuxNITneus apt-get install gftp
21:15.10emdashoh
21:15.11emdasher
21:15.13emdashdpigs
21:15.21seb-abrotman: sound, CD-ROM, USB, DVD-ROM all went the @#$# after kernel upgrade...so I was wondering if there are some mandatory extra steps I am missing
21:15.21ronoveabrotman: I'm now getting http://channels.debian.net/paste/1906 while setting up quite often..
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21:15.40abrotmanronove: it should be ok
21:15.47abrotmanseb-: what version ?
21:15.52Nwallinshello.  i am looking for port-knocking software suggestions or recommendations
21:15.57dpkggftp: (X/GTK+ FTP client), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.18-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 52 kB
21:15.59seb-abrotman: 2.6.15
21:16.11abrotmanseb-: did you install udev with it? are you using gnome ?
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21:16.32seb-abrotman: yes using gnome and I didn't get a newer udev
21:16.42abrotmanthat might be important .. though i can't say for certain
21:17.03_unstable!tell Nwallins about ask
21:17.06seb-abrotman: maybe *that* is the problem......NEW FAQ ENTRY: **Always upgrade udev when upgrading kernel**
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21:17.20Nwallins_unstable: gee, thanks
21:17.29bazbooWhere can I find a list of all possible "file" types in Linux? Such as traditional files, devices, MQs, FIFOs, etc.?
21:17.44neusGee, is there anything apt-get can't do?
21:18.10_unstablebazboo: That would be the libmagic1 library.
21:18.15HeyJoewon
21:18.17kspath!fart-knocker
21:18.19_unstablebazboo: This is the library file(using magic) uses.
21:18.27HeyJoewon't do laundry or make you a drink
21:18.42bazboo_unstable: right i know of it, but i only want to know the pure types supported at the low level
21:18.46Nwallinsapt-get install kegerator?
21:18.50seb-how determine if package installed is from stable, testing or unstable?
21:18.51bazboo_unstable: i don't care about what sort of data they might contain
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21:19.22abrotmanseb-: apt-cache policy <pkg> .. but you shouldn't be mixing
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21:20.04seb-abrotman: apt pinning lets you easily mix packages...seemed like a good idea
21:20.19neusIs there a way to make konqueror ... less memory intensive?
21:20.20abrotmanseb-: if you say so
21:20.27abrotmanneus: close it?
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21:20.42seb-abrotman: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
21:20.54seb-abrotman: you never have need for one or two unstable packages?
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21:22.49abrotmanseb-: i'm not impatient
21:22.56moprii've created a user to upload files to my tomcat ROOT dir.  but everytime i upload a file, the permissions created, don't let my tomcat server show them on the web
21:23.02moprihow can i change that?..
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21:23.17Eulexmopri, umask?
21:23.48mopri0022?
21:24.05moprishould i change that..?..
21:24.24moprii think the answer going to be.. 'duhhh'
21:24.24moprijeje
21:24.48Azarfun time o/t news: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/22/yahoo_unbans_allah/
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21:25.03Eulexmopri, my guess is that the tomcat server needs write permission. 0022 means read-write-execute for the owning user, read-execute for users in the owning group and for world.
21:25.13kspathWhat does this error mean: E: Couldn't find package job
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21:25.39Eulexkspath, that there's no such package?
21:26.02seb-abrotman: why did you ask me about gnome?
21:26.16begineri have 2 webcam conected... i access one of these with video0... how can i access the other one?
21:26.30kspathEulex: sorry, i was doing a apt-get install job    chain yanking joke...
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21:26.41Eulexmopri, I don't know how you can set the umask for the user when logging in with ftp. sorry.
21:26.56Eulexkspath, hehe, almost figured that :)
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21:27.14mopriok.. i'll figure it out. thanks
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21:27.29beginerany ideea?
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21:27.39stromvideo1
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21:27.50stromthat's my idea, since you asked.
21:27.54strompoor as it may be.
21:28.06beginerwhen i access with video1 has stop video0 and thart use the same webcam
21:28.08kspath<PROTECTED>
21:28.31stromdunno
21:29.32beginerhow can i list videodev? lsmod: videodev                5344   2  [spca5xx]
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21:30.03AzarWorld's largest Windows error message http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/4630 :)
21:30.32abrotmanseb-: the gnome metapackage depends on udev
21:30.41daxxarHow can I prevent autoload of ipv6-module on 2.6.8-2-k7-kernel, debian/stable?
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21:31.12Eulex!blacklist
21:31.13dpkgmethinks blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present).  in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
21:31.56daxxarThanks. ;-)
21:32.37Eulexdaxxar, yw :)
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21:33.42deadcathow do i scroll up in irssi?
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21:34.09stewdeadcat: pgup
21:34.10ronovehm..
21:34.10blondiedeadcat: press page-up perhaps?
21:34.14deadcatthanks
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21:34.45deadcatdamn.i was trying all the shift pgup, ctrlpgup,alt pgup but didnt try pgup (=
21:34.46Azarinteresting article: Intelligent File Format: http://akaimbatman.blogspot.com/2006/02/intelligent-file-format-part-1.html
21:34.54seb-abrotman: ahh, thanks, i'm rebooting into new kernel with new udev now...thanks again!
21:35.23ronoveI'm trying to upgrade xchat to 2.6.1-1 but it requires libperl5.8=5.8.8-2 which, on it's turn ,requires perl-base=5.8.8-2.. But I can't seem to find a way to upgrade perl-base..
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21:36.28daxxarhmm, Eulex, that reduced 'used by' from 12 to 10, but it still loads it. :|
21:36.41Azarronove: irssi is the best chat client so far
21:36.44neusWhen I close Kopete, it tells me it is still in the system tray, but I can't find it - any ideas how to display the system tray?
21:36.48daxxardmesg says "IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver"
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21:37.13ronoveAzar: thanks for the info, but that doesn't really help me with _my_ problem, does it? :)
21:37.35Azarronove: no, indeed I never used xchat
21:37.35stoffellhi all, can anyone tell me, what the replacement is for base-config in etch?
21:37.58abrotman!info xchat sid
21:38.04dpkgxchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.6.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 268 kB, Installed size: 720 kB
21:38.08daxxarAha, lemme try doing 'alias net-pf-10 off' in /etc/modutils/aliases. :-)
21:38.17abrotmanronove: it may not have made it into sid yet
21:38.23abrotman!info libperl5.8
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21:38.27dpkglibperl5.8: (Shared Perl library), section libs, is optional. Version: 5.8.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 520 kB, Installed size: 1156 kB
21:38.28abrotman!info perl-base
21:38.33dpkgperl-base: (The Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister), section perl, is required. Version: 5.8.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 733 kB, Installed size: 1840 kB
21:38.38abrotmanor not
21:38.51abrotmanronove: apt-get install perl-base says what?
21:39.00blondieo.o
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21:39.26laurens_hi.
21:39.29streunerstoffell: its not in sid too...
21:39.34laurens_http://www.hm2k.org/news/1137968795.html
21:39.35kspath!whack-a-mole
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21:39.39laurens_norton strikes again.
21:39.39Nwallinsis there a good guide for post-install tuning (including stripping out compatibility cruft that is necessarily part of a base install)?  i am thinking this guide would cover things like kernel modules, hotplug, discover, removing packages like pcmcia and ppp, etc.
21:39.56ronoveabrotman, perl-base is already the newest version.
21:39.57racoontjestartkeylogger
21:40.03racoontjeapparently.
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21:40.19stoffellstreuner: oh, and what is the 'new' way to do base-config? (i'm trying some debootstrap on a fresh system)
21:40.20zebalin4No one on #kde answers so I try here: On desktop my other partitions have hard -disk icons with labels... like "sdb3 debian". This is correct. Where does this label come from. It is NOT right-click-properties.
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21:40.35daxxarHrrm, no, still loads it. :-| Eulex, any suggestions?
21:40.39abrotmanronove: and perl-5.8 ?
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21:40.58Azarracoontje: did you know that for each new worm/virus showing up symantec's stocks go up?
21:41.11TestForEchoOn my iBook, when I boot into Debian, my trackpad won't work. Any suggestions?
21:41.18NwallinsAzar: i bet the boardroom does
21:41.22ronoveabrotman, but apt-cache policy perl-base says sth else.. "Installed: 5.8.7-10"..
21:41.48AzarNwallins: call me crazy but I see that as a pure business
21:41.50abrotmanronove: what is the URL ?
21:41.59TestForEchoPlug in a USB mouse?
21:41.59Azarmake viruses == make money
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21:42.09NwallinsAzar: push the problem, sell the solution
21:42.10abrotmanronove: paste the entire contents of apt-cache policy perl-base
21:42.16stewAzar: please /join #conspiracy-theories
21:42.20sphenxesI am new to debian and have dual system. It takes only less than 3 seconds to chose my OS. How/wherre can I change or prolong the time to choose my OS.
21:42.28Azar:) stew ok I will stop
21:42.35ronovehttp://channels.debian.net/paste/1907
21:42.53ronovesphenxes: /boot/grub/menu.lst
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21:43.10TestForEchoanyone?
21:43.12sphenxesronove, thanks
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21:43.33stewTestForEcho: ask #debianppc
21:43.39AzarTestForEcho: can you rephrase your question?
21:43.50ronovesphenxes, I don't know where exactly, but it's in there somewhere :)
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21:44.03NwallinsTestForEcho: fiddle with your x*.conf?
21:44.06osh_Doesn't "aptitude purge" remove config-files that I've touched? The manpage isn't all that clear about this.
21:44.22TestForEchoWhen I boot my iBook G4 into Debian, the built in trackpad doesn't work.
21:44.36NwallinsTestForEcho: booting into x, right?
21:44.40TestForEchoyes
21:44.46TestForEchognome
21:44.54stewTestForEcho: what does "uname -r" say?
21:44.56AzarTestForEcho: like Nwallins said, configure your X to make it work with touchpad
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21:45.19abrotmanronove: are you doing pinning?
21:45.25TestForEchoI'm an absolute n00b. sorry
21:45.38abrotmanronove: apt-get -t unstable install perl-base
21:45.54AzarTestForEcho: you should learn how to tell us what Debian version, kernel version and X server are you using
21:46.04osh_nevermind. I found the answer in google-groups.
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21:46.25abrotman/dev/input/mice
21:46.30TestForEchoOh. I know that. Debian 3.1, Kernel 2.6
21:46.53kspathreally?  how did you install kernel 2.6?
21:47.02abrotmanuname -a
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21:47.07TestForEchonormal install
21:47.11stewTestForEcho: make sure you ahve psmouse and mousedev modules loaded
21:47.13AzarTestForEcho: the command:   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86        will open for you the possibility to indicate the touchpad
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21:47.46TestForEchoAzar: I have tried that, but which option should I pick?
21:47.49J_element<PROTECTED>
21:47.52J_elementhelp :D plz
21:47.58stewTestForEcho: /dev/input/mice
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21:48.11TestForEcho1 minute
21:48.16athcsxHi all, I am having one slight problem. Apparently none of my USB peripherals except for my flash drive are working, any ideas?
21:48.35abrotmanronove: did that instal it?
21:48.39athcsxI assume it is a problem with a library?
21:48.53ronoveabrotman, yes, thanks again :)
21:48.56stewathcsx: what is one that isn't working?  what makes you say it isn't working?
21:49.04streunerstoffell: http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/base-config.html
21:49.11J_elementstew :S please any one ...
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21:49.35stewJ_element: man 5 interfaces
21:49.37athcsxstew: My printer (USB) does not print properly on Debian with CUPS, and my Kodak CX7530 Digital Camera fails to connect in gtkam.
21:49.41J_elementyeah
21:49.47J_element<PROTECTED>
21:49.58athcsxAlthough I have used these with another distribution before, so I know they work ;-)
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21:50.05tanyahello, has anyone worked with the coraid cln/20 - it is configured to use debians apt repositories but I am running into problems
21:50.05stewathcsx: are you running gtkam as root or as user?
21:50.13AzarJ_element: type   man 5 interfaces and read
21:50.20athcsxstew: running as user
21:50.22debiankidhey a found an interesting error check this   http://channels.debian.net/paste/1908
21:50.30stewJ_element: what is "virtual-devices1-5" ?
21:50.31J_elementAzar ?
21:50.47stewathcsx: did you follow the directions in /usr/share/doc/libgphoto2-2/README.Debian?
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21:50.49neusHow do I see/terminate all the processes running on my machine right now?
21:50.59AzarJ_element: I will repeat for your sake:  stew said you   type "man 5 interfaces"  and read about
21:51.08drdeLtreEneus ps -f -A
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21:51.15stewneus: pull the powercord. or use /sbin/poweroff or /sbin/halt or /sbin/shutdown
21:51.16athcsxstew: yes . . . but it is still not working :-(
21:51.19neusErm
21:51.23J_elementlol still dont get it
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21:51.29neusI don't mean all of them - just a list like ctrl-alt-del in windows
21:51.34drdeLtreEneus ps -f -A
21:51.40neusThank you good sir
21:51.48drdeLtreEnp
21:51.48stewathcsx: do you see any messages in dmesg / /var/log/syslog when you plug one in?
21:52.02AzarJ_element: can you open an xterm? can you get a command line? can you type a command at command line?
21:52.05neusErm, how do I open the shell again? (NOOB, I know)
21:52.12J_elementlol yeah
21:52.18debiankidstew did ya saw the paste?
21:52.19kspathJ_element: open a gnome-terminal session and type  the following:   man 5 interfaces
21:52.19J_elementi got 1 virtual device : br0
21:52.21AzarJ_element: then do it
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21:52.27J_elementand one read interface eth0
21:52.33stewdebiankid: no
21:52.51J_elementreal*
21:52.55debiankidstew http://channels.debian.net/paste/1908  pretty interesting
21:53.05stewdebiankid: you can't mix non-stable packages into a stable system
21:53.17stewdebiankid: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport
21:53.20AzarJ_element:   man 5 interfaces
21:53.22neuskickass - you can switch to the shell with ctrl-alt-f4
21:53.43kspath!interfaces
21:53.43dpkgYour network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively.  See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route"
21:53.53athcsxstew: well it says that it sees the printer, and i can see it using lsusb, but it just doesn't work
21:53.58J_elementim not on linux right now cuz my internet isnt working there
21:54.07Azar:)
21:54.12Azartypical
21:54.23stewathcsx: are you sure your camera is supported by libgphoto?
21:54.23kspathJ_element: go to www.debian.org  and read EVERYTHING
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21:54.35Sebseb-: say something
21:54.36J_elementlol :S
21:54.39J_elementim not stupid
21:54.42TestForEchodidn't work
21:54.43J_elementnot a newbie
21:54.44seb-something
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21:55.48debiankidstew ok thats is ok  im using debian 3.1 sarge how can know if i am downloading the rigth one ?
21:55.57Sebseb-: neat. Now say something to me (Seb: ...)
21:56.07AzarJ_element: just for you cuz youre handsomer: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/users-guide/ch-ctsystem.en.html#s-cnetworks
21:56.10darkcmddoes anyone know where I can get some info on how I can setup my mail server so, when someone mails me at my username, at the host, it goes to my local spool, and I can use mutt to read it?
21:56.12athcsxstew: 1010% positive
21:56.15seb-Seb: something to me
21:56.33TestForEchodpkg-reconfigure didn't work.
21:56.39Sebk, and now for the test to finish, I'd need someone to say something to seb- :)
21:56.42kspathAzar: because you are more handsome?
21:56.46Sebwho's willingto waste a line of IRC ? :>
21:56.56abrotmanseb: why?
21:56.57stewdebiankid: there is no right one.  that pacakge isnt' in stable, you need to use / make a backport
21:57.02Azarkspath: he is not a newbie :)
21:57.12Nwallinsseb, seb-: now raise your arms over your head, connect your hands, spell "image" and then say "light bulb"
21:57.13Sebabrotman: testing nick hilighting
21:57.19abrotmanseb: does it work?
21:57.30abrotmanseb: were you seb128?
21:57.32Sebabrotman: well nobody told seb- something since I changed it so I dunno yet :)
21:57.36Sebabrotman: nope, always been Seb
21:57.37debiankidstew oh god
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21:57.43kspathAzar: right, he is not a newbie. Hmm, not sure what that meant in this context.
21:57.44J_elementhow to set static route over a public IP?
21:57.57athcsxstew: it even shows up on the list when I run gtkam (**add camera**)
21:57.58debiankidwell i do a newbit :)
21:58.02debiankidnewbie
21:58.09Azarkspath: my typo was ment not to make him feel insulted
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21:58.32debiankidstew and how can i dot that ?
21:58.33seb-abrotman: dude! upgrading udev ...like worked n' shit!
21:58.45kspathhehehe
21:58.52stew!tell debiankid about simple sid backport
21:58.54neusSo, uh, ps -f -A gives me a list of the processes running right now-  how do I terminate one of them?
21:58.57abrotmanseb-: sorry
21:59.01stewathcsx: i dunno then
21:59.04Sebshiiiiiite
21:59.05debiankidstew i have to cd /file and type make backport?
21:59.05astra-xdoes the ppc netinstall include old beige g3's for debian?
21:59.06Sebdoesn't work
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21:59.08Sebgoddam
21:59.17abrotmanseb: you could become bes ?
21:59.26Sebabrotman: i don't see no reason for that
21:59.34abrotmandouble negative bastard!
21:59.37stewdebiankid: did you read the instructions that dpkg sent you?
21:59.37athcsxstew: its really weird, cause it works in Fedora and Slack, but I like Debian the most, and hence my troubles
21:59.38seb-abrotman: sorry! i can play tunes now! no alsamixer tweaking needed! just udev upgrade....NEW FAQ ENTRY: Upgrade udev now!
21:59.40Sebabrotman: i just need to find out exactly how to achieve what I want with /hilight in irssi
21:59.42kspathneus : man signal
21:59.48Sebabrotman: ;)
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22:00.11^mkxhi
22:00.11debiankidstew  sorry i am reading it now
22:00.20abrotmanseb-: yeah .. there have been lots of udev updates ..
22:00.27abrotmani think i need a new udev script or some crap though
22:00.28^mkxanyone here who did successfully compile openchrome or unichrome for xorg 6.9 on debian sid?
22:00.39abrotmanseb: can't you do like a !seb- ?
22:00.48kspathneus : man pkill
22:01.02^mkxi need via s3 3D drivers ...
22:01.04seb-abrotman: newbie question...i heard you *can't* mount a music cd...(i get error when try)...so how handle it?
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22:01.15abrotman!unichrome
22:01.15dpkgrumour has it, unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>
22:01.19Sebabrotman: not sure. I think I need a regex right now
22:01.20Sebbrb
22:01.23abrotmanseb-: you get an error ?
22:01.36seb-abrotman: i *can* mount data CDs but not music CDs...
22:01.38athcsxcan anyone help me with my usb problem?
22:01.39abrotmanseb-: you can mount it .. won't work unless you use the data channel ...
22:01.48^mkxyo. SID
22:01.58seb-mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd,
22:01.59seb-<PROTECTED>
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22:01.59seb-<PROTECTED>
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22:02.12seb-sorry,
22:02.23abrotmanseb-: don't mount an audio CD
22:02.26GenNMX|Thraeseb-: You can't mount music CDs, no. But you can use music players to play the music on them just fine -- the player will handle the mounting.
22:02.41abrotmanyou can mount them .. it just doesn't work for normal players
22:02.41debiankidstew i still dont get it :(((((((((  i have to do that on apt-source.list   for example Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list (what is that???)
22:02.50GenNMX|ThraeWindows "mounts" an audio CD in a format called "RedBook Audio", which is proprietary, so Linux can't use it.
22:03.01*** mode/#debian [+l 834] by debhelper
22:03.16^mkxwho is libv and how can i bother him ? ^^
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22:03.20GenNMX|ThraeBut it doesn't effect Linux either playing or ripping music.
22:03.25stewdebiankid: man sources.list ; read that apt howto
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22:03.42seb-GenNMX|Thrae: my xmms doesn't seem to automagically do everything... i can't surf to /media/cdrom1 either!?
22:03.59pbangHey all - Anyone seen sirdibos lately?
22:04.29GenNMX|Thraeseb-: Like I said, you cannot mount audio CDs in Linux. If XMMS is having trouble playing a CD, then that is XMMS's problem.
22:04.36darkcmddoes anyone know
22:04.45darkcmdwhere I can get a TI calculator emulator?
22:04.51GenNMX|Thraeseb-: Do you have the CD-ROM audio cable connected to your motherboard?
22:05.00kspathdarkcmd: apt-get install tiemu?
22:05.06starfishydarkcmd: try google
22:05.16seb-GenNMX|Thrae: it started working when I loaded another cd playing app..dunno what it did
22:05.19darkcmdok
22:05.24stewpbang: not for a while, why?
22:05.31GenNMX|ThraeIf your motherboard has no AUX / CD-ROM port, you will need to set XMMS to use Digital Audio.
22:05.32debiankidstew u mean do this ?  deb-src file:/home/jason/debian unstable main contrib non-free
22:05.37kspathapt-cache search TI
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22:05.46GenNMX|Thraeseb-: Check XMMS's settings. Switch it from Analog to Digital or visa-versa.
22:05.47pbangstew:  I'm in NZ, and I need help in Vancouver.
22:05.54seb-GenNMX|Thrae: thanks!
22:06.01halifaxhello, could anybody help me with this latex-problem?---> http://pastebin.com/567475
22:06.01kspathhmm no
22:06.02debiankidstew im i right?
22:06.08kspathapt-cache search calc
22:06.25stewdebiankid: no, an official debian mirror
22:06.59pbangstew:  I have a loco-ed network in Vancouver that just blew up.  Do you know anyone in van?
22:07.01debiankidstew i dont have direct internet conection
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22:07.19debiankidstew wait wait let me try this
22:07.30GenNMX|Thraepbang: I know some people named Ed in Vancover. Would that help?
22:08.10stewdebiankid: you need to get the source somehow
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22:08.24Sebman those 2 hour meetings are a killer
22:08.29stewpbang: i dunno
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22:08.58debiankidstew deb-src http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ stable main  well now what ?
22:09.03epsilonsomeone's searching a calculater?
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22:09.12stewpbang: /whois SirDinosaur
22:09.12PeterkenHello all, i try to use the 'beep' command, but pc speaker isn't reacting at all.  I use alsa & the pcspeaker volume is maximum, for the rest there are not problems
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22:09.15debiankidstew i did type apt-get uptate
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22:09.23stewdebiankid: no, unstable, not stable
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22:09.35debiankidstew ok
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22:09.49kspathepsilon: darkcmd was asking about TI emulator and I said    apt-get install tiemu
22:09.51GenNMX|ThraePeterken: "beep" plays through the motherboard's speaker, not your PC speaker. Perhaps your MB doesn't have a speaker connected?
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22:09.54neusSo, I have the gftp-common_2.0.18-1_i386.deb file - how do I install it now?
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22:10.07darkcmdthanks
22:10.13buht-wis it easy to go back to sarge from etch?
22:10.16astra-xanyone else have issues getting the debian cd to boot on an oldworld  mac?
22:10.21stewbuht-w: impossible
22:10.23PeterkenGenNMX|Thrae, yes i know, but i have a pc speaker connected, very sure, but since i installed Alsa the pcspeaker isn't reacting anymore
22:10.23epsilonneus: dpkg -i
22:10.23buht-wshit
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22:10.45buht-wfucking X wont work with my matrox parhelia video card in xorg 6.9.0 and it all started with testing :)
22:10.46neusepsilon: any way to do this graphically?
22:10.47Peterkenbut it's strange there is nothing in the errors logs
22:10.56kspathbuht-w: reinstall sarge!
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22:10.59buht-wheh
22:11.09nkuttlerhm, i accidentally pulled the power plug out of an external usb drive, and now i can't umount, remount, see the contents or anything. any ideas?
22:11.09GenNMX|ThraePeterken: When you say "PC Speaker", do you mean a pair of speakers connected to the back of your computer and perhaps powered?
22:11.14debiankidstew im updating now the not stable
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22:11.17abrotmanPeterken: ha! .. make sure all your levels are up .. i had some weird channel Aux off on the side .. on 0 .. no beep for me either
22:11.19nkuttlerbesides rebooting
22:11.27epsilonneus: kde & gnome have own gui for package management... but for one .deb, use dpkg in console
22:11.32abrotmannkuttler: force it?
22:11.47Sonnyhi, do you how can I add windows to the grub's menu
22:11.59kspathnkuttler: plugging the power back into ext hd?
22:12.04nkuttlerabrotman: how would i do that?
22:12.09nkuttlerkspath: already done that
22:12.10stewSonny: there are examples in /usr/share/doc/grub/examples
22:12.12neusepsilon: so, how do I use dpkg command for this file?
22:12.16epsilonneus: why did you downloaded .deb instead using "apt-get install gftp" anyway?
22:12.24abrotmannkuttler: remove it from /etc/mtab?
22:12.26kspathdain bramage
22:12.28abrotmani'm an evil bastard
22:12.40epsilonneus: you will end up hanging in a dependency probably
22:12.41neusepsilon: I don't know ... simpler that way?
22:12.43GenNMX|ThraeSonny: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=grub+dual-boot+windows&btnG=Google+Search
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22:13.10epsilonneus: always use apt-get or aptitude to install packages. Download .deb only if you know why you are doing that
22:13.16neusGah, so each time I want something I need to go apt-get it? Why can't I just download a file from the internet and install it?
22:13.19UW-gcan anyone help me ? : http://channels.debian.net/paste/1909
22:13.29abrotmanneus: you oculd .. but using apt-get is better
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22:13.35kspathneus: else you will suffer from depedency dain bramage!
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22:13.44stewneus: apt-get does exactly that, downlaods a file frim the internet and installs it
22:13.45abrotmanneus: apt-get -f install
22:13.51Azarneus because then you are on your own fixing dependencies
22:13.59neusWhat is a dependancy?
22:14.01epsilonneus: "apt-get install gftp" once time in shell is 1000000000x easier as opening webbrowser, search .deb, download .deb, store .deb, install .deb
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22:14.11seb-abrotman: everything works now...it's freaky
22:14.16kspath!depends
22:14.21kspath!depend
22:14.29neus!depends
22:14.35UW-g!depends
22:14.36kspath!oopsicrappedmypants
22:14.40abrotmanseb-: doesn't debian suck like that?
22:14.49neus!depend
22:14.49rambo3!spam
22:14.49abrotman!dependency
22:14.49dpkgrumour has it, spam is a preferred environment.  SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) , razor or crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week)
22:14.49dpkgit has been said that dependency is a package needed by another package.  Dependencies are pointed out by dpkg.  Dependencies are resolved by apt-get.
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22:15.12epsilonneus: read the howto/guidebook on debian.net, if you are new in debian you really should read it, before you fuck up your installation. If you still have questions, ask here
22:15.14abrotmandpkg: dendency is also called a dependency for a good reason
22:15.14dpkgokay, abrotman
22:15.21abrotmandpkg: dependency is also called a dependency for a good reason
22:15.21dpkgokay, abrotman
22:15.31rambo3why not prive mes dpkg ?
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22:15.44UW-gwho can help me please ?
22:15.48neusThe hell? Why can't I have a stand-alone app whose installation comes with all the files it needs?
22:15.48abrotmanprive?
22:15.52Azarneus packages you use within a system has to work in harmony with each other.
22:15.56kspathprivate
22:16.12epsilonneus: new in linux?
22:16.13abrotmando i look french? :)
22:16.14rambo3opera irc is eating my letters
22:16.18kspath!tell neus about dependency
22:16.19LOL_LOL_LOLLOL
22:16.26abrotmanrambo3: or your keyboard is
22:16.32neusyeah, you probably couldn't guess, eh? :(
22:17.00Azarneus as in games, everything has a rule to follow, otherwise you luse
22:17.03Azarloose
22:17.08abrotmanlose
22:17.13kspathLOL_CRAP you are all caps and it is annoyin
22:17.14epsilonneus: linux apps are modular, not like all-in-one.exe + hell.dll in windows
22:17.19Azarthanks abrotman :) yes that is what I ment
22:17.33abrotmanepsilon: wouldn't a dll imply modularity? :)
22:17.37neusSo, what's so bad about all-in-one.exe + hell.dll?
22:17.40dagbrownepsilon: Yeah!  Like emacs, or firefox.
22:17.50UW-gcan someone HELP ME ?!?!?!??!?!??!
22:17.59Azarneus, there is no .exe in linux there is no .dll in linux
22:18.06Peterkenabrotman, i checked again to be sure, but everything is maximized as mucht as possible :( but pcspeaker doesn't work either
22:18.06kspath!tell UW-g about ask
22:18.11epsilonabrotman: it would, if Windows had something like /usr/lib
22:18.12abrotmanUW-g: that's the worst freaking error
22:18.17neusI know that - but why is he implying that it's bad anyway? (for windows)
22:18.21abrotmanepsilon: c:\windows\system32\
22:18.31UW-gi have a problem WITH : http://channels.debian.net/paste/1909
22:18.33epsilonabrotman: keep dreaming :/
22:18.37UW-gthe problem is pasted there
22:18.38Azarneus what is bad?
22:18.42abrotmanPeterken: you may also need the OSS compat modules
22:18.43UW-gits an eggdrop error
22:18.47UW-gthat i cat figure it out
22:18.49abrotmanoh ffs
22:18.58dagbrownOh, easy
22:19.00dagbrownDon't use eggdrop
22:19.04neusAzar: He implied exe's and dll's are bad in windows. I'm thinking they are fine as I get all I want from one file and I don't have to worry about dependancies
22:19.09kspath!bllot
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22:19.13kspath!bloot
22:19.16UW-gcan u help me ?
22:19.18abrotmannkuttler: get it ?
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22:19.19abrotman!u
22:19.19dpkgDamnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
22:19.24kspath!blootbot
22:19.25dpkgrumour has it, blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk.  Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net.  Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl
22:19.30halifaxhello, could anybody help me with this latex-problem?---> http://pastebin.com/567475
22:19.35Azarneus look at me << :) you are in #debian channel, if you use debian and have a debianly question, ask.
22:19.37Peterkenic, tnx abrotman
22:19.43nkuttlerabrotman: no :-/
22:19.45abrotmanUW-g: or ask #eggdrop
22:19.52abrotmannkuttler: removing from /etc/mtab doesn't do any good ?
22:19.54UW-gi did asked already ..
22:19.55starfishyUW-g: its a bug, it even says so
22:19.59UW-gnobody answers
22:20.00abrotmannkuttler: what happens when you try to mount it ?
22:20.05abrotmanso freaking wait
22:20.06kspathUW-g: ask again?
22:20.10SebUW-g: wait ?
22:20.13UW-gstarfishy what can i do ?
22:20.18SebUW-g: start offering paypal rewards ?
22:20.23rambo3haha
22:20.24UW-gi am waiting
22:20.26starfishyreport the bug and wait until it is fixed
22:20.32SebUW-g: or sexual favors from your gf ?
22:20.41starfishyUW-g: i'd try manners
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22:20.43abrotmanor mom
22:20.44UW-gSeb are you high ?
22:20.45Azarshhh come on now...
22:20.57epsilonneus: you prefer sarch+download exe and install it instead just using one line "apt-get" which will also install all dependencies?
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22:21.01neusAzar: Thanks for your help. (Sorry for sounding abrasive). How do I see a list of processes on my machine that I can terminate? pf -s -A just shows me a list - how do I kill a specific process?
22:21.05stewUW-g: what version of eggdrop? what version of debian?
22:21.06SebUW-g: actually no, 'm just testing my highlight in irssi. This was just an elaborate plan to get you to talk to me.
22:21.10tarzeau!popcon
22:21.10dpkgi guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
22:21.17epsilon!sex
22:21.17dpkgupdatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep
22:21.19UW-glol
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22:21.27Seb!lol
22:21.27dpkgIf you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
22:21.28Azarneus you will use "top" at command line - to learn about top:   man top
22:21.33UW-gstew eggdrop 1.16.17 / debian v 3.1
22:21.41kspathneus: man signal;man pkill;man kill
22:21.51UW-gthe server is a VPS one
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22:21.57stewUW-g: checked the bts?
22:21.57LOL_LOL_LOLi need to test something.. does someone can open a query chat with me?
22:22.09LOL_LOL_LOLplease..
22:22.10UW-gwhats bts ?:))
22:22.14stew!bts
22:22.14dpkgbts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/
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22:22.15S4nD3rWhat do you think about install openoffice.org 2
22:22.17kspath!eight-ball
22:22.21teferihi, guys. I'm using debootstrap to set up guest OSes for a machine running Xen, or at least I'm trying to. all the docs I can find tell me to run base-config in the newly created chroot after doing hte debootstrap, but...um...base-config doesn't exist anymore.
22:22.24stewLOL_LOL_LOL: /msg dpkg hi
22:22.25teferiwhat replaces it?
22:22.27UW-gno , i didnt
22:22.39LOL_LOL_LOL/msg dpkg hi
22:22.46LOL_LOL_LOLit's an jabber client
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22:22.56UW-gcan i find my answer there ?
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22:22.57Azarneus for your pure pleasure/curiosity, feast your eyes here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-basics.html
22:23.00LOL_LOL_LOLi cant
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22:23.05stewteferi: nothing replaces it. use debootstrap from sid
22:23.09pureone!nickometer LOL_LOL_LOL
22:23.10S4nD3rMay I install using apt-get ???
22:23.11dpkg'LOL_LOL_LOL' is 99.9043% lame, pureone
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22:23.16pureone:D
22:23.17Sebnice score
22:23.27stewLOL_LOL_LOL: /join #jabber
22:23.47nkuttlerabrotman: process just hangs. i just walked over, the kernel oopsed
22:23.52teferistew: erk. I've been using etch - middle ground between unmoving and bleeding edge
22:23.58Azarneus and another fun and interesting read: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html
22:24.00LOL_LOL_LOLi can't open a pvt
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22:24.17LOL_LOL_LOLbut i want to know if someone can open a pvt withme..
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22:24.18abrotmanDOH!
22:24.20stew!tell LOL_LOL_LOL hi
22:24.28abrotmanLOL_LOL_LOL: noone here is going to msg you
22:24.29teferistew: is there any way to do this with etch?
22:24.34nkuttlerabrotman: process just hangs. kernel oopsed
22:24.40SebLOL_LOL_LOL: might wanna try another channel, as other people pointed out
22:24.46abrotmannkuttler: that sucks .. but it oopsed .. so what now?
22:24.48Sebteferi: maybe try a backport
22:24.49kspath!tell LOL_LOL_LOL about ask
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22:25.00yawgwhat do i need to save the libc6 deb file as 3 smaller .gz files?
22:25.02nkuttlerabrotman: already rebooted
22:25.07stewteferi: yes, go to pdo.debian.net/debootstrap and download the unstable version, and dpkg -i it
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22:25.09Sebyawg: man split
22:25.10LOL_LOL_LOLthanks.. yeah it worked!
22:25.11abrotmannkuttler: still nothing ?
22:25.13LOL_LOL_LOLLOL
22:25.15yawgthank you :D
22:25.16LOL_LOL_LOLbye
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22:25.17teferistew: and it'll work for installing and configuring etch?
22:25.21stewteferi: yes
22:25.26teferistew: many, many thanks
22:25.29abrotmanwait .. he's going to try to talk to dpkg without being in #debian?
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22:25.36soup__where can I download the HOWTO's in tgz format?
22:25.48teferistew: er, it says that the etch and sid versions of debootstrap are the same version
22:25.52soup__or doesn't debian have them in a .deb?
22:25.57nkuttlerabrotman: everything is fine now
22:25.58pureonewhat howto's?
22:26.07abrotmannkuttler: but the data on the drive is iffy?
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22:26.15stewteferi: and you are saying the etch/sid version cant bootstrap etch?  check the bts /msg dpkg bts
22:26.19kspathLOL_LOL_LOL will tell dpkg all about a stock portfolio or MLM project?
22:26.20soup__DSL-HOWTOs... Networking-HOWTO... etc.
22:26.23nkuttlerabrotman: i think it was ro before
22:26.28teferistew: stew well, it installs a debian base system, but it's totally unconfigured
22:26.33abrotmannkuttler: ah .. good thing for you
22:26.36nkuttlerabrotman: hfs, nothing i'd want to write with linux
22:26.39teferiand I keep finding corner cases that my manual configuration hasn't handled
22:26.44teferi(latest: shadow passwords aren't enabled)
22:26.45pureonetry tldp.org
22:26.51Azarsoup__ http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals  <<< html pages
22:26.51teferiand it seems there ought to be *some* tool that does this all
22:26.56S4nD3r?????????
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22:28.01beeredI've install Debian on a slave hdb. hda has windows xp. grub is installed in hda (win xp) mbr. When I restart the computer it boots in to windows without grub menu or anything. I have no idea why. Is there a way to check mbr on hda, or am I missing something obvious here?
22:28.22teferistew: you see what I mean?
22:28.57Azarbeered: I would not understand why grub will be with windows on one HD and Debian on another
22:29.00neusAzar: thanks, reading al lof those :)
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22:29.09abrotmanAzar: that's pretty common
22:29.10Azarneus, my pleasure
22:29.12Sebbeered: most likely grub ain't installed on hda like you think it is
22:29.27Azarabrotman, ah he talks partitions, not separate drives?
22:29.42abrotmanAzar: no .. he said drives .. pretty common
22:29.48stewteferi: yes, but I assure you there is no base-config package, check the bts
22:29.50abrotmanif i still had a desktop .. it'd be that way :)
22:29.54Azarah.. amazing, interesting
22:30.05teferistew: oh, dear. I seem to have forgotten the --second-stage option
22:30.10teferistew: sorry to bother you
22:30.12beeredSeb: well, I tried Fedora few min ago. It has a nice idiot-proof GUI for bootloader installation and it was supposed to be installed in hda but it isn't... so... confusing.
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22:30.22beeredAzar: hda and hdb == 2 disks
22:30.24teferistew: thanks anyway
22:30.38Azarbeered, I am happy to learn something new :)
22:31.00kspathhda1 hda2 hda5 that is partitions
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22:31.37Azarah yes now I remember, ofcourse, hda (hard drive ) hdc(cd-rom drive)
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22:31.54Sebbeered: try installing it form the command-line
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22:32.08Sebbeered: i mean re-installing it. man grub-install. or maybe install-grub
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22:32.53kspathAzar: umm  my internal CD-ROM is hdb   the letter is not related directly to CDROM or HD
22:33.32S4nD3rId like to use openoffice.org 2 in my debian box, how to install ???
22:33.44stewS4nD3r: which version of debian?
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22:34.57stewS4nD3r: install it from backports.org then
22:35.08S4nD3rumm.. .really ??
22:35.11kspathnaming structures and mounting is all crap mostly
22:35.14nvzI need some help understanding the usage of the KDE "devices" applet. I want to setup two simple buttons for my friend to mount his phone and his cdrom and when I frist put it on there it had a floppy, I took that off cause he doesnt need it, the other two are in the fstab and checked in the devices config, but I see no icons, I dont understand how this thing works
22:35.15S4nD3rWhich is the source ???
22:35.26stewS4nD3r: http://backports.org/instructions.html
22:37.39S4nD3rthank so much steri
22:37.41S4nD3rstew
22:37.45SerajewelKSin python, if 'foobar' is a string, does foobar[:-1] return the last character of the string?
22:38.15Rawplayerstartkeylogger
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22:38.30johnsu01SerajewelKS: no.
22:38.37SerajewelKSjohnsu01: what would it do then?
22:38.39stewSerajewelKS: no, all but the last, test yourself, run python and type "foobar"[:-1]
22:38.57^mkxanyone here who did successfully compile openchrome or unichrome for xorg 6.9 on debian sid?
22:38.57SerajewelKSstew: ah, so it has a similar effect as perl chop()
22:39.06stewyes
22:39.06nvzsome interfaces are just so intutive you can just look at them and you know what to do.. at least if you spent the past two decades using a computer.. kde doesnt seem to make those
22:39.07SerajewelKSstew: except the variable isn't modified, of course
22:39.41johnsu01SerajewelKS: You probably want "foobar"[-1:]
22:39.42SerajewelKSis "Yes" considered a "true" value to python?  is "No"?
22:39.54nvzsometimes I think the QT toolkit really stands for Quite Terrible
22:39.56SerajewelKSjohnsu01: i don't want anything, i'm reading some sources trying to figure out why something doesn't work.
22:40.06nvzor Quiet Terror
22:40.09nvzsomething
22:40.18SerajewelKSnvz: Quick Termination
22:41.01jetscreamerqt is the only thing in the universe
22:41.04nvzseriously though can anyone explain to me how to use the kde devices applet or some easy way of mounting his devices in kde? hes not online so I am trying to work with what I got on the system
22:41.07jetscreamerqt is your god
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22:41.38sewihello, which version of xorg is in Sid now?
22:41.45nvzI dont know why I got a blank devices applet and the damn configuration only has two fucking checklists
22:41.49jetscreamerusually the kde's ive seen use some automount scripts or somehting, not sure
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22:42.14nvzjetscreamer: I dont have capabilities for automounting.. that requires a large number of different elements not installed
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22:42.24stewsewi: http://pdo.debian.org/xserver-xorg
22:42.26nvzjetscreamer: not to mention evil
22:42.37jetscreamertell him to use xfe
22:42.48jetscreamerit will mount what is in fstab
22:42.56nvzjetscreamer: WHAT PART OF I HAVE TO USE WHAT I GOT is hard for you to understand? :P
22:42.59stewsewi: make that s/.org/.net/
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22:43.04plukinhi i'am kompiling my first kernel and i've my first kernel panic. can anyone help?
22:43.09jetscreameri don't know
22:43.20jetscreamerthe ones in caps i guess
22:43.39jetscreamerdid you try #debian-kde ?
22:43.44nvzjetscreamer: I got gnome-panel and applets but I would like him to be able to use kde if he wants and I dont want him to have to learn linux console on day 1
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22:44.06dondelelcaronvz: so use hal or whatever that obomination is...
22:44.11nvzI got the phone and the cdrom selected in the fucking checkbox thingy and its in fstab
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22:44.32nvzdondelelcaro: how many times have I said now I have to work with what I got? this is irratating getting advice I cant take
22:44.38sewistew: thanks iths .net
22:44.45jetscreamerthere are some settings for showing mounted and unmounted devices on the desktop
22:44.49nvzI got device mounters, I just would like to know how to use it
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22:44.52nvzits that so hard
22:45.13BoldStrikedoes anyone know of issues with CNet Ether cards and debian?
22:45.15dondelelcaronvz: relax; I don't have time to read your entire backlog to see exactly what you're trying to do.
22:45.20nvzI asked in #kde before I asked in here, got no response at all yet
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22:45.57nvzdondelelcaro: I want to know how the mounter applet in kde works I just want to be able to mount the cdrom and phone, and the applet is blank despite having put them in fstab and checked them in the config for the applet
22:46.04grendal_primeI was looking at a mac yesterday a new one...now sure as hell looks like X running on freebsd to me...but the owner of the thing says no they use a diff window manager?
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22:46.26nvzdondelelcaro: I am unable to grok kde interfaces.. its probably right in front of my face I just cant understand how to mount anything with it
22:46.29dondelelcarogrendal_prime: you can use X and any window manager you want...
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22:46.43dondelelcaronvz: well, I'm not of any help to you either. I'd just type mount /cdrom
22:46.51BoldStrikei've been trying to install debian, but for some reason it won't recognize my network setup
22:46.59BoldStrikeworks with most other distros though
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22:47.07grendal_primehe says its much faster than x..ok i used the wrong description there...he says its NOT X its some other rendering model
22:47.10nvzdondelelcaro: yeah thats what I am doing.. well /media/cdrom anyhow.. remember the adoption of FHS :P
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22:47.18penguinWhat is the command to reconfigure exim?
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22:47.27nvzdondelelcaro: I guess you dont believe in that yanky B.S.
22:47.30dondelelcaronvz: I ignore the FHS; my fstab is my business...
22:47.34nvzheh
22:47.39nvzI figured as much
22:47.50BoldStrikeanyone?
22:47.58grendal_primeto be honest with you ..it didn look any faster than my debian laptop..
22:48.06dondelelcarogrendal_prime: it probably isn't...
22:48.12nvzoh well I am going back to his house to figure something out maybe I will have to make an icon and a script to check mtab and mount/unmount it
22:48.22dondelelcaronvz: yeah, that'd work.
22:48.40dondelelcaro/proc/mounts for the win.
22:48.41penguinIf I run the command to reconfigure exim, whatever that is, and I can always stop in the middle?
22:48.57penguinwithout changing anything?
22:49.10dondelelcaropenguin: depends on when you stop.
22:49.29penguinWHen can you stop?
22:49.39dondelelcaropenguin: you'll be setting the debconf selections though, so the next time you run it, your selections may have changed.
22:50.15dondelelcaropenguin: what are you actually trying to do?
22:50.32penguinI want to see what questions the reconfigure command asks.
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22:50.36nemesishey
22:50.51nemesisI'm trying to install the grsecurity patch on my kernel
22:51.08nemesisand it keeps kernel panicing and dying at boot
22:51.18penguinI am not quite sure how I want to set up exim yet.
22:51.18nemesiscan't find /lib/modules/<uname>/modules.dep
22:51.21nemesiswhen that file is there
22:51.28dondelelcaropenguin: use debconf-get-selections; it'll tell you what settings there are for exim.
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22:52.42penguinSo that command changes nothing?
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22:55.09jap99hola
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22:55.14Silent_al!קד
22:55.20penguinI am going to run the command.  It is safe?
22:55.20Silent_al!es
22:55.21dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:55.29wilotassomeone has installed debian into a Toshiba with SATA?
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22:56.11Azarat any time I modify denyhosts.cfg do I need to restart it?
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22:56.29Rambo3!de
22:56.29dpkgDeutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de
22:56.39nosundebian with gui can run on 3gb hd right?
22:56.47nosunactually 3.sum
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22:57.40yawgok i have the .gz files on the laptop, how do i decompress them into a single file?
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22:58.05SerajewelKSyawg: gunzip
22:58.28Eno_nosun: Yes.
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22:59.36yawgwhat specifically?
22:59.54yawgdo i type gunzip file1 file2 file3 file4 newfile
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23:00.27penguinY would you want to decompress them into a single file?
23:00.37yawgit was a single file to begin with
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23:00.47Eno_gunzip -c blah.gz stuff.gz > newfile
23:00.48yawgi used the split command to break it into floppy disc sized files
23:00.48Eno_Might work
23:00.49penguinYou want to tar them into a single file
23:00.54Eno_-c -> to stdout
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23:02.03yawghm
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23:02.09yawgwell they are unziped now
23:02.14yawgbut still different files
23:02.18Eno_cat
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23:02.25Eno_cat file1 file2 file3 > newfile
23:02.54yawgoo
23:02.58yawg:D
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23:04.31noenAnyone happen to know how to use ncpmount to mount something from a non-default port on a TCP connection?
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23:05.30grendal_primeits quartz
23:05.38nemesiswhat do I need to install to get mkinitrd
23:05.50nemesisdw
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23:06.23grendal_primeQuartz 2D window-compositing system
23:06.35grendal_primewhatever the hell that is.
23:06.53grendal_primeits probably xorg with composit enabled
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23:07.00grendal_primehehehe
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23:07.04cheluHi
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23:07.26iProxanyone notice anything?
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23:07.35cheluI've just installed debian netinst, but kde or gnome can't connect to X server
23:07.37cheluhelp me plz
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23:07.42iProxidiot
23:07.45iProxis using windows....
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23:08.14iProxis using windows....
23:08.14epsiloniProx: and you are a lame exploiter, not better
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23:08.17iProxlol
23:08.19iProxstartkeylogger
23:08.25stew!ops iProx flooding
23:08.26dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: iProx flooding
23:08.36iProxstartkeylogger
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23:08.46Coweaterstop dumbass
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23:08.54epsilon/s/flooding/exploiting
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23:09.09tarzeauchelu: what's the exact error msg?
23:09.23chelu"cannot connect to X server"
23:09.25chelukde
23:09.32chelu"cannot open display" gnome
23:09.47stewhah, he's calling someone an idiot, and: n=onyx@ACC9F9D5.ipt.aol.com
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23:09.51cheluI can't find xorg.conf
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23:10.16freeone3000Did you try using 'find'?
23:10.17truenoIs anyone having problems with sid and locales since the last upgrade?
23:10.41tarzeauchelu: in /etc/X11 ?
23:10.43freeone3000Perl said something about it... But I kinda ignored it, cuz it said it's using a default, and I don't use perl that much (or at all).
23:10.54tarzeautrueno: what kind of problems?
23:10.55chelufreeone3000 yes, find / -name "*xorg*"
23:11.02tarzeautrueno: checked BTS ? tried !sid faq ?
23:11.02cheluand not find anuthing
23:11.20tarzeauchelu: you've done startx? you've got an x server running? the right user?
23:11.23neusI click on a music file, and it plays it in noatun, but I cant see the noatun window anywhere and it's not in alt-tab? Where is it? Is there a hidden system tray?
23:11.29tarzeauchelu: did you fiddle with $DISPLAY?
23:11.44tarzeauneus: in where? gnome? kde? else?
23:11.55neustarzeau: in kde
23:12.00freeone3000In KDE, it's at the bottom right in a visible system tray.
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23:12.09tarzeauneus: you can close it with fuser -k /dev/dsp
23:12.13stewchelu: install x-window-system-core
23:12.26neusfreeone3000: nope, I can't see it :(
23:12.37stewchelu: debian stable has xfree not xorg
23:12.42freeone3000Hmm... try starting it from the KDE run command...
23:12.48neustarzeau: yes, but how do I see the window? same goes for the kope messenger thing
23:12.49cheluaham
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23:12.51truenotarzeau: /usr/share/i18n/locales/iso14651_t1:266: LC_COLLATE: syntax error
23:12.51trueno/usr/share/i18n/locales/iso14651_t1:268: LC_COLLATE: syntax error
23:12.59cheluand how can I configure xfree?
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23:13.11tarzeau!drx
23:13.12dpkgsomebody said drxx was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself.
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23:13.38stewmentor: thanks
23:14.24trueno!sid faq
23:14.24dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html
23:14.30mentoryeah, kinda closing the stable after the horse has bolted
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23:14.47cheludpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 sais xfree86 isn't installed
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23:15.03stew18:13 < stew> chelu: install x-window-system-core
23:15.37chelustew insuficents arguments
23:15.50truenomsg apt info libc6 sid
23:15.50stewchelu: apt-get install x-window-system-core
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23:16.15AzarI am trying to run denyhosts on some archived unzipped /var/log/auth.log files and I get: $ python: can't open file 'denyhosts.py' ... what am I doing wrong?
23:16.16cheluit can't find the package
23:16.30stewchelu: run apt-setup
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23:16.37cheluoks
23:16.41cheluits ok now
23:16.46starfishyazar: locate denyhosts.py
23:17.11chelustew and before that startx must run?
23:17.13Azarstarfishy: /usr/bin/denyhosts.py
23:17.18antoineHi everybody.
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23:17.26neusstew: how do I see the system tray in KDE? I'm playing music and running kopete, but I can't see either. I'm seeing the "start" gear, home, internet browser, some icons I dragged there, minimized programs and the clock - nothing else :(
23:17.29Claus__Hello, I have some problems with sendmail. In my /var/spool/mail folder there is no mailboxes, and the mail is delivered to /dev/null I think. Should I just touch the mailboxes and chown them to the users?
23:17.29starfishyazar: ls -l /usr/bin/denyhosts.py
23:17.35starfishycheck whether you have permissions
23:17.49stewchelu: no that will install the xbase-clients package which includes startx
23:17.53stewneus: i don't know about kde
23:17.55starfishyazar: does python use its own search path?
23:17.59Azarstarfishy: -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 5237 Feb 19 17:46 /usr/bin/denyhosts.py
23:18.10starfishyazar: looks good
23:18.16antoineDoes anyone else have some trouble with Shift-insert for paste?: it does no longer work on testing for few days.
23:18.16tarzeauneus: #debian-kde
23:18.24Azarstarfishy: I guess so let me see the cfg
23:18.26starfishyazar: which denyhosts
23:18.28tarzeauantoine: which terminal?
23:18.35neustarzeau; <3
23:18.38tarzeau!sid faq
23:18.38dpkgrumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html
23:18.44th0ger_Is it possible to run a (bash) script from php?
23:18.56tarzeauth0ger_: #php
23:19.00antoinetarzeau: every application in Xorg
23:19.04yawghm, new problem
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23:19.35antoinetarzeau: forget it. It re-works just now...
23:19.36josepth0ger_ - look for a function called exec(), or similar
23:19.44yawgthe packages libc6 and libdb1-compat seem to be dependant on each other and i need them both installed
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23:20.51stewth0ger_: http://php.net/exec
23:21.00starfishyazar: try the command         which denyhosts
23:21.09starfishyor better:
23:21.13Azarstarfishy: nothing rendered at it
23:21.29starfishyhow do you execute denyhosts?
23:22.26stewyawg: i don't believe libc6 has any dependencies.  what exactly is the problem you are having?
23:22.26Azarstarfishy: as daemon
23:22.26chelustew Fatal server error: no screens found
23:22.26starfishyah
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23:22.27starfishythen the configuration likely is not correct
23:22.27stewchelu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
23:23.25Deifiedanyone know alot about ftp? :D
23:23.25cheluoks, thx
23:23.25Azarstarfishy: I just wanted it check the archived auth.logs too but python does not seem to want do it
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23:23.26th0ger_stew: thx
23:23.26stewchelu: you must have set some stuff incorrectly, most likly the monitor refresh rates.  leave busid and amount of memory blank
23:23.26starfishypython does not find the denyhosts.py file
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23:23.27yawghm, i think i just got it to work
23:23.27Azar$ python denyhosts.py --file=/var/log/secure.log.1 --file=/var/log/secure.log.2 .... --file=/var/log/secure.n
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23:23.28yawgwith dpkg -i libc6... libdb-compat..
23:23.28starfishyso there must be a setting somewhere in the config for this daemon that tells python where to look for denyhosts.py
23:23.28Azarok I will give it the full path then
23:23.36starfishythat will probably work
23:23.39stewyawg: what version of debian are you running?
23:23.50stewyawg: what version of libc6 did you just install?
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23:24.07Deifiedanyone know alot about ftp? :D
23:24.30Coweater!anyone
23:24.30dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
23:24.41starfishydeified: what is your question?
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23:25.11Silent_al!tell Deified about ftp
23:25.26yawgstew: the newest version (of libc6
23:25.31Deifieduhm, i sat up proftp something on my nix box, and i try to access it, but unless i do the network ip i cant access it
23:25.33yawgand debian 2.4
23:25.43Deifiedeven with the network ip its still very slow =[
23:25.49stewyawg: there never was a debian 2.4, there was a 2.2 then a 3.0
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23:26.07stewyawg: what do you mean by newest version of libc6?
23:26.11yawgi'm trying to get networking to work on my toshiba portege 610CT
23:26.23yawgstew: the newest on packages.debian.org
23:26.29yawgor, the mirror rather
23:26.35starfishydeified: what else than the network ip were you using?
23:26.56Deifiedmy dns and ip
23:27.15stewyawg: why did you do that instead of using apt-get?
23:27.22starfishydoes dns resolve to the ip properly?
23:27.23stewyawg: did you install a unstable libc6 on stable?
23:27.25yawgit doesn't have network yet
23:27.31Deifiedyeah it resolves properly
23:27.36yawgstew: i don't think so
23:27.38Deifiedi log in
23:27.41Rambo3where do i find ncurses-devel
23:27.42Deifiedand then it stalls
23:27.42yawgit installed now
23:27.42Deified=\
23:27.45stewyawg: what version of libc6 did you install?
23:28.00yawglibc6_2.3.2.ds1-22_i386.deb
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23:28.12starfishyyou log in how? ssh?
23:28.30Deifiedno..
23:28.41thingfishRambo3: are you trying to make a kernel and get an error about menuconfig?
23:28.42Deifieddefault smartFTP settings? =p
23:28.50stewyawg: what version of debian are you running? how did you install it?  you should have already had that version of libc6 if you were running stable
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23:29.00starfishyoh, you access it with ftp
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23:29.04starfishynow i get it
23:29.06Deifiedyeah that
23:29.13yawgstew: i had dependancy problems when installing other packages
23:29.13starfishyand with the name you just get a stall?
23:29.17Deifiedand ftp://ip:port
23:29.21yawgand i came all the way down to libc6
23:29.28truenois there a way to upgrade only libc6?
23:29.32yawgthis is a floppy install of debian on an old laptop
23:29.34stewyawg: are you trying to upgrade from woody to sarge?
23:29.34starfishyhave you tried ftp://name:port?
23:29.39yawgstew: now
23:29.40Deifiedyeh..
23:29.41yawgno*
23:29.44Deifiedthe same
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23:30.01we32bnhello
23:30.06we32bnhow do I remove multiple eth* from network configuration? eth0:0 eth0:1  ?
23:30.11starfishywith name:port it doesnt work either?
23:30.13stewyawg: then what?  if you were installing sarge, that version of libc6 would have already been there
23:30.17Deifiednope
23:30.20starfishyok
23:30.30Rambo3l
23:30.46starfishydid you make sure name resolution works on the ftp server itself?
23:31.00Deifiedwhat do u mean
23:31.03yawghow do i look up my version of debian
23:31.12Deifiedi tried using my ip only o.o
23:31.19thingfishyawg: cat /etc/debian_version
23:31.30yawg3.0
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23:31.39nixboxhi all
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23:31.59starfishyi meant if you log into your ftp server with ssh and then try the name resolution there, does it work?
23:32.03stewyawg: then you are trying to upgrade from woody to sarge, /msg dpkg woody-sarge ; dont use apt-get, use aptitude
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23:32.12stewerr /msg dpkg woody->sarge
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23:32.21nixboxi have used wpa_supplicant to associate my wireless card with an access point, but it fails to get an IP address from the DHCP server, i have tried running dhclient manually too, but of no use
23:32.30Deifiederrrr i didnt understand that
23:32.32cy_what kind of script is used for the dpkg bot ?
23:32.39yawgi can't apt-get
23:32.43stewcy_: /msg dpkg blootbot
23:32.45starfishydeified: log into your ftp server with ssh
23:32.49yawgi need to get the ethernet card working
23:32.49starfishythen execute
23:32.50Deifiedoki
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23:33.01starfishydig <dnsnameofyournameserver?
23:33.02yawgthis computer doesn't have an ip address yet
23:33.05starfishydig <dnsnameofyournameserver>
23:33.07stewyawg: what does "uname -r" say?
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23:35.19Deifiedbrb
23:35.35yawgstew: 2.4.18-bf2.4
23:36.17stewyawg: you should install a real kernel first. /msg dpkg real kernel ; /msg dpkg bf24
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23:37.30yawgcan i do that with floppy disks?
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23:38.00freeone3000I don't think the kernel would fit...
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23:38.17cy_thanks stew
23:38.22Azarstarfishy: would seem crazy to deny hosts for all services?
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23:39.02we32bnhello, help me our here I just added a network card but ourside of LAN I can not ping or connect. "connect: Network is unreachable" , I can resove addresses via local dns server
23:39.17stewyawg: yes, what network card are you trying to get working?
23:39.18Sebwe32bn: set a default gateway
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23:39.33Sebwe32bn: if you don't know what that means, you need to read up at least a bit on IP netowrking
23:39.41Sebnetworking even
23:39.48stewwe32bn: man 5 interfaces
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23:41.03yawgstew: EtherLink III 10BASE-T Ethernet and 28.8 Modem 3c562 3Com
23:41.42we32bnSeb: I do have a default gateway entered
23:41.49Sebwe32bn: can you ping it ?
23:41.55we32bnstew I do not have man pages intalled
23:41.58stewyawg: that could possibly be supported by bf24, do you know which kernel module it needs?
23:42.05we32bnSeb: only local LAN
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23:42.12stewwe32bn: are you running debian?
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23:42.21yawgstew: no
23:42.22Sebwe32bn: i repeat,  can you ping your default gateway ?
23:42.39Sebstew: we just got the same idea at the same exact time :>
23:42.51dusty-how come the latest gnome isn't in debian unstables package repositories? im using debian unstable and have dist-upgraded now, and still have gnome 2.12 latest is 2.14?
23:42.55we32bnSeb: even more I can not connect to ssh of the box, but I can ping the box
23:42.56[bono]Question: i cant find the eclipse hibernate plugin package... Is this thing packaged?
23:43.09Sebdusty-: wanna help package it maybe ?
23:43.10we32bnSeb: yes I can ping anything in LAN
23:43.18dusty-ok
23:43.21Psi-JackRambo3: Nice trolling job earlier in #ubuntu-server.
23:43.21Psi-Jack:p
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23:43.29Sebwe32bn: so you can ping your default gateway, but no IP outside of that ? --> simple, your gateway isn't routing
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23:43.41stewyawg: what does "lspci -n | grep 10b7" return ?
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23:43.53stewyawg: specifically what comes after the 10b7:
23:43.53dusty-whats a good .chm viewer for linux?
23:43.56we32bnSeb: if the gateway is not routing I could not talk here
23:43.58Uriel_Darlingdusty, you check the "testing" ?
23:44.14Coweaterdusty-: xchm
23:44.17Sebwe32bn: so would you mind stating your problem correctly then ?
23:44.23dusty-I thought unstable had newer packages than testing??
23:44.29dusty-Coweater, thanks.
23:44.32yawgstew: pcilib: Cannot open proc/bus/pci
23:44.34Sebwe32bn: also, do answer the "are you running debian" question
23:44.41yawgstew: lspci: Cannot find any working access method
23:44.42Coweatergnochm, kchmviewer, your pick
23:44.47Poisoned1I noticed that the debian packages don't get updated very often. Why is that?
23:45.05SebPoisoned1: they don't get updated in stable. Cause it's table. That's that.
23:45.17we32bnSeb: yes debian
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23:45.20stewyawg: can you "mount /proc"?
23:45.22Poisoned1I see
23:45.40yawgstew: mount: proc already mounted
23:45.52Sebwe32bn: so do man interfaces
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23:46.19we32bnSeb: no man page installed
23:46.22Poisoned1But if you wanted to use a newer version of nmap you could install from the unstable packages right?
23:46.25Azarstarfishy: the correct command in debian is: python /var/run/denyhosts.pid --file=var/log/auth.log.0
23:46.29stewwe32bn: you deleted the interfaces manpage?
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23:46.37Sebwe32bn: you lying sack of shit. /usr/share/man/man5/interfaces.5.gz is part of ifupdown.
23:46.46Sebdamn I hate wasting my time like that
23:46.52dusty-Uriel_Darling, I thought unstable had newer packages than testing??
23:47.01we32bnSeb then stop answering
23:47.04Sebwe32bn: isn't there a support channel for your inferior distro, whatever it might be ?
23:47.06Azarwonder what is the difference between /usr/bin/denyhosts.py and /var/run/denyhosts.pid
23:47.07Sebwe32bn: you got that right
23:47.18catoblepahallo, is there someone expert about VPN?
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23:47.25Sebwe32bn: myself and the remaining 796 people in here will definitely do that.
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23:47.46Psi-JackSeb: Yep. Not that I ever lifted a finger to begin with.
23:47.56SebPdoesn't matter, it's the intention that's important :)
23:48.06SebPsi-Jack: previous line for ya
23:48.10Psi-Jackheh
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23:49.21Sebwe32bn: that's what is called screwing up royally. I mean, some in here can extort us answers even though they're not running Debian, but it does take some efforts from them. You, on the other hand, are the low-level dumb-tool type, that gets unmasked in less than 5 minutes.
23:49.39Sebseriosuly, sometimes people will go to great length to simulate they're running Debian :>
23:49.41stewSeb: just drop it and move on
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23:50.23starfishyazar: /var/run/denyhosts.pid contains the process id of the denyhosts process
23:50.30Sebstew: am I bothering you ?
23:50.38stewyes
23:51.00Sebstew: then you do know what to do
23:51.12stewSeb: yes, ask you to stop flaming, as i did already
23:51.22Sebstew: not quite. But close, though.
23:51.43yawg:<
23:51.59ootput2 bucks on Seb
23:52.05Sebbah
23:52.07magyarwhat is residing in "/var/cache/" folder?
23:52.10Sebjust had a long day, is all
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23:52.27Sebstew: didn't mean no offense. His "then stop answering" just threw me off.
23:52.35Sebi'll quit ti now
23:52.44starfishythats a new business idea: bookmaker for trolls and flamewars ;)
23:52.49[bono]Question: why isnt the 'eclipse' executable file not in the 'eclipse-platform' package? what can i find it?
23:52.57[bono](where)
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23:53.22Seb[bono]: apt-get install eclipse should do, I think
23:53.54[bono]Seb: true, but that package is bloated.. i was trying to avoid it....
23:54.12Seb[bono]: dunno then
23:54.47nkuttlermagyar: google fhs
23:55.26\amethystwouldn't policy be better?
23:55.37\amethyst!policy
23:55.38dpkgfrom memory, policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ -  the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices
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23:56.02nkuttlerfhs is a part of policy
23:56.11cosmo_hey look, a somewhat debian reminiscent pc case! http://www.xoxide.com/lian-li-pc-777-black.html
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23:57.31magyarnkuttler, thanks
23:58.11\amethystah, sorry
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