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| 00:02.33 | \amethyst | [bono]: the executable is in eclipse-platform-common, which should have been pulled in, I think |
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| 00:02.46 | \amethyst | by eclipse-platform, that is |
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| 00:03.13 | [bono] | \amethyst: thx |
| 00:03.39 | Rambo3 | when i try to compile new kernel and type make-kpkg clean i get this errorhttp://channels.debian.net/paste/1911 |
| 00:03.43 | kippi | Hi |
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| 00:03.55 | Rambo3 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1911 |
| 00:04.09 | kippi | I am getting this error when I ssh into my system, even though the server has been on for hours System bootup in progress - please wait |
| 00:04.19 | \amethyst | Rambo3: what's your uname -a ? |
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| 00:04.46 | Rambo3 | Linux c-cbf871d5 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 00:04.56 | \amethyst | that's all? |
| 00:05.09 | Rambo3 | i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 00:05.36 | disposable | does debian-non-us still exist? |
| 00:05.45 | resiak | no |
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| 00:06.02 | debiankid | how can i boult a .deb from a source program ? |
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| 00:06.33 | disposable | resiak: ftp://ftp-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/linux/ |
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| 00:07.01 | [bono] | \amethyst: eclipse-platform-common doesn not have the executable.... |
| 00:07.41 | \amethyst | hm |
| 00:08.27 | Seb | debiankid: is it pre-packaged already (does it have a debian/ dir) ? Or do you want to debianize some program from scratch ? |
| 00:08.35 | disposable | debiankid: if it's a 'well done' source it contains debian/rules, if it isn't you can use checkinstall |
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| 00:09.27 | \amethyst | [bono]: do you have /usr/lib/eclipse/eclipse, from -platform? |
| 00:09.32 | disposable | debiankid: checkinstall however doesn't care about dependencies in your newly created package. so it might not work for other people unless they have everything needed installed |
| 00:09.41 | cheatersrealm | hey, what package contains all the man 3 entries (it's all the programming stuff for things like strtoull)? |
| 00:09.57 | [bono] | \amethyst: hard to tell right now... just removed everything... im reinstalling... |
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| 00:10.11 | nkuttler | cheatersrealm: manpages-dev |
| 00:10.11 | debiankid | seb its the mod-cband module from apache2 i download the source but now how can i make a deb from there to finally install and add to my webserver? |
| 00:10.16 | \amethyst | ah... do you plan on using it for java development? |
| 00:10.19 | cheatersrealm | thanks nkuttler |
| 00:10.40 | deadcat | !ping |
| 00:10.40 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:11.14 | \amethyst | then you need eclipse-jdt. eclipse-pde is for plugins. It also helps if you have J2SDK Javadocs locally |
| 00:11.33 | \amethyst | s/^then/If so,/ |
| 00:11.45 | Rambo3 | \amethyst any ideas about that kernel compile error? |
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| 00:12.04 | \amethyst | Rambo3: no clue, unfortunately :( |
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| 00:12.23 | \amethyst | this is debian or stock kernel source? |
| 00:12.35 | Rambo3 | stock |
| 00:12.46 | thingfish | yoyo |
| 00:12.53 | thingfish | you're on your own. |
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| 00:15.44 | magyar | is there a way to limit /var/cache size? |
| 00:16.26 | thingfish | apt-get clean every so often helps. |
| 00:16.49 | [bono] | Question: just installed the unstable eclipse package... i get a popup saying "an error has occured. see the log file" on startup.... does this ring a bell to anyone? |
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| 00:17.56 | wilotas | someone has installed debian into a Toshiba with SATA? |
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| 00:19.24 | nevyn | I've installed it on an acer with sata ;) |
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| 00:19.31 | Darien | hey all, what's up |
| 00:19.43 | Darien | does anyone know any good HOWTOs on cross-compiling with Debian? |
| 00:19.48 | nevyn | hrm actually I failed to install etch and installed dapper. |
| 00:19.51 | Darien | I'd like to be able to build/install a package, instead of compiling my own |
| 00:19.54 | nekostar | ive installed debian into various things with sata and um |
| 00:20.09 | ootput | clear |
| 00:20.09 | nekostar | scsi |
| 00:20.22 | nekostar | no problems to date wilotas |
| 00:20.34 | nekostar | though im getting some wierd shit on one of my monitors |
| 00:20.39 | nevyn | Darien: look at pbuilder |
| 00:20.40 | magyar | thingfish, thanks. Is there any ware that would run a clean or do i have to setup a cron job? |
| 00:20.44 | Darien | nevyn: thanks |
| 00:20.47 | nekostar | it keeps reacting to the vid drivers/resolution or something |
| 00:20.56 | nekostar | it goes a little yellow/green now and then |
| 00:21.01 | nekostar | anyone know wtf might do that? |
| 00:21.14 | nevyn | Darien: but you can do apt-get build-deps package |
| 00:21.23 | nevyn | apt-get install build-essential and build it. |
| 00:21.30 | Darien | well |
| 00:21.34 | Darien | I want to build a cross-compiler |
| 00:21.36 | nevyn | pbuilder is automated and does each build in a clean chroot |
| 00:21.37 | Darien | not cross-compile a package |
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| 00:21.47 | Darien | it's for use with distcc |
| 00:22.04 | nevyn | Darien: you want to cross compile for some slow arch on a modern pc? |
| 00:22.07 | nevyn | or something else? |
| 00:22.17 | Darien | I want to cross-compile for a slow machine on a modern PC, yes |
| 00:22.40 | Darien | I'd like to set up distcc, but out of the ten systems I have in my apartment, none of them are running the same OS on the same arch |
| 00:22.43 | nemesis | just use binaries |
| 00:22.47 | Darien | binaries? |
| 00:22.54 | nemesis | google it |
| 00:23.05 | nemesis | binaries are pre-compiled |
| 00:23.08 | nemesis | with generic options |
| 00:23.16 | Darien | binaries of *what* ? |
| 00:23.21 | Darien | the cross-compiler? |
| 00:23.24 | nemesis | whatever you want to install |
| 00:23.29 | Darien | ... |
| 00:23.35 | nemesis | when you install things using apt-get |
| 00:23.37 | Darien | I appreciate you trying to be helpful, but you're failing miserably |
| 00:23.39 | nemesis | it usually uses .deb files |
| 00:23.42 | nemesis | these are binaries |
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| 00:23.46 | nemesis | ahha |
| 00:23.46 | yawg | is there any way to upgrade this bf2.4 debian install to the.. better version you are talking about, with floppy disks? |
| 00:23.52 | nemesis | beggers can't be choosers |
| 00:24.01 | yawg | i still can't get it connected to the network |
| 00:24.15 | Darien | nemesis: yeah, but if I ask for A don't tell me how to solve problem B in some sarcastic manner |
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| 00:24.25 | Darien | not all software comes pre-packaged as Debian binaries |
| 00:24.32 | nemesis | shove it up your preverbial asshole |
| 00:24.39 | [bono] | Question: is it possible to give a higher prioroty to some applications (such as XFreee or xmms) so that the music wont stop and that the mouse movement isnt choppy? |
| 00:24.40 | nemesis | you're right |
| 00:24.43 | freeone3000 | yawg: You could multipart rar it. If you could get rar to it. |
| 00:24.44 | Darien | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.55 | Darien | so no one else has experience cross-compiling on Debian? |
| 00:25.01 | yawg | freeone3000: is there a .deb file that upgrades to sarge? |
| 00:25.05 | nemesis | I know people who've done it |
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| 00:25.09 | freeone3000 | yawg: linux-image |
| 00:25.21 | freeone3000 | yawg: Or kernel-image if you're in stable. I think it's still kernel-image back there. |
| 00:25.32 | [bono] | Darien: i have. what are you trying to do? |
| 00:25.34 | nemesis | look at the debian FAQ, I remember there being a guide on how to upgrade to stable |
| 00:25.42 | freeone3000 | 'upgrade' to stable? |
| 00:25.46 | nemesis | or |
| 00:25.49 | nemesis | move to |
| 00:25.50 | nemesis | whatever |
| 00:25.56 | Darien | [bono]: I want to set up cross-compilers on my systems, so that I can use them for running distcc |
| 00:25.57 | bonez39 | if I change my machine's static IP in /etc/network/interfaces.....do I have to reboot to get the system to recognize the changes, or is there a shorter route to getting my debian 3.1 system to see the change? |
| 00:26.02 | stew | yawg: did you try the 3c59x driver? |
| 00:26.04 | chealer | [bono]: yes. man nice |
| 00:26.10 | yawg | stew: no |
| 00:26.13 | eeyore- | bonez39: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 00:26.13 | yawg | stew: how do i do that? |
| 00:26.16 | nemesis | bonez39: no you just have to =bring the interface down then up again |
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| 00:26.21 | Darien | [bono]: I'd prefer to find/build packages, but if that's not an option, that's fine |
| 00:26.22 | nemesis | use ifconfig eth* up |
| 00:26.26 | nemesis | sorry |
| 00:26.31 | nemesis | ifconfig eth* down |
| 00:26.37 | nemesis | then ifconfig eth* up |
| 00:26.39 | stew | yawg: try "modpbrobe 3c59x" |
| 00:26.44 | [bono] | Darien: well there are some targets for which there are prebuilt packages... |
| 00:26.49 | eeyore- | nemesis: mmmm, ifconfig doesn't touch stuff in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:26.52 | [bono] | Darien: the most popular one, obviously... |
| 00:26.56 | nemesis | really |
| 00:26.59 | eeyore- | nemesis: ifdown/ifup in turns call ifconfig |
| 00:27.02 | stew | bonez39: ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0; or /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:27.06 | bonez39 | nemesis, so, just > ifdown eth0; then ifup eth0 will reload it? |
| 00:27.10 | bonez39 | ok... |
| 00:27.20 | nemesis | yeah |
| 00:27.20 | bonez39 | stew, nemesis eeyore- thanks for the help |
| 00:27.25 | yawg | stew: no such device |
| 00:27.28 | nemesis | no probs man |
| 00:27.30 | Darien | [bono]: yeah, I saw those, but none of them help me :/ |
| 00:27.34 | Darien | maybe I can build/package my own |
| 00:27.45 | eeyore- | Darien: what do you want to do? |
| 00:27.51 | [bono] | Darien: are you using gcc/binutils? |
| 00:27.54 | Darien | [bono]: yes |
| 00:28.03 | Darien | eeyore-: set up my Debian machines with compilers for all the architectures I have in my house |
| 00:28.07 | [bono] | Darien: why do you wanna build packages? |
| 00:28.14 | eeyore- | Darien: you don't need to "cross-compile" if it's just slower vs faster |
| 00:28.22 | [bono] | Darien: just follow the gcc cross-compile guide... |
| 00:28.24 | bonez39 | stew, on the same sort issue....mutt doesn't seem to download my new mail...... |
| 00:28.29 | eeyore- | Darien: *all* architectures? what do you have, x86? |
| 00:28.30 | Darien | eeyore-: it's ten machines vs. one machine |
| 00:28.42 | Darien | eeyore-: x86, adm64, PPC, and Sparc |
| 00:28.45 | Darien | AMD |
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| 00:29.08 | Darien | I don't really care if it's 'faster', I just want to be able to do it :p |
| 00:29.15 | eeyore- | Darien: hmm. that's tricky :-) no, sorry. no idea about debian-sy kind of way |
| 00:29.37 | Darien | that said, I'm pretty sure my roommate's 2.4 GHz amd64 machine is going to be faster than my G3/233 or the UltraSparc IIi 133 |
| 00:29.37 | ultraviolet16 | my iwconfig is giving me odd parameters and I don't know how to fix it, any ideas where I can get good info? |
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| 00:30.52 | Gashad | Hi! My sound is acting weird. All Mp3's are playing way TOO fast. I'm guessing this is a sampling rate problem, but I dont know where to go to fix it. FYI I'm using Debian Stable. |
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| 00:31.05 | Darien | Gashad: which apps have you tried playing in? |
| 00:31.21 | bushito | how can i change permission of multiple files in a folder? |
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| 00:31.46 | Coweater | bushito: match them with a wildcard |
| 00:31.52 | Gashad | Rhythmbox 0.8.8 |
| 00:32.00 | [bono] | bushito: chmod 123 folder/* |
| 00:32.54 | bushito | thx |
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| 00:33.37 | stew | yawg: the only other 3com related modules i see in bf24 are acenic and tmspci, if those don't work either you have to put a real kernel on there |
| 00:34.03 | Henry_Bean | hi, i have a problem with dependences, i get this message from a ./configure checking for XSERVER... configure: error: Package requirements (randrproto renderproto fixesproto damageproto xextproto xfont xproto xtrans xau compositeproto resourceproto recordproto xdmcp xdmcp) were not met. |
| 00:34.03 | Henry_Bean | .. how to know what packages i have to install to satisfize them? |
| 00:34.24 | yawg | stew: i downloaded http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.15.4.tar.bz2 |
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| 00:34.32 | yawg | stew: and i split it into floppy disk sized files |
| 00:34.39 | Gashad | Darien: Rhythmbox 0.8.8 |
| 00:35.09 | stew | yawg: i would recommend you get a pre-compiled debian kernel from stable, not kernel source |
| 00:35.10 | raf256 | CPU 450 Mhz (dunno the type, some x86) Board: ibm-6275350 (intell 82440BX/ZX) GFX s3 trio 3d, SFX yamaha ymf 724 E, 2 GB, 256 ram, CD x40 - for 75 USD, warany 1 month - 1) is it worth is 2) is it good for a www/cvs server 3) is it good for debian testing |
| 00:35.18 | yawg | oh |
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| 00:36.02 | Darien | Gashad: have you tried other apps, like mpg123 or xmms or amarok? |
| 00:36.08 | Darien | [bono]: I found the solution |
| 00:36.13 | Darien | [bono]: toolchain-source |
| 00:36.13 | [bono] | Darien: ? |
| 00:36.42 | Darien | it can make source packages for whichever arch you want |
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| 00:37.09 | Darien | just do 'tpkg-make <arch>' (e.g. ppc-linux) |
| 00:37.12 | yawg | stew: do you happen to know a place to look off the top of your head? |
| 00:37.15 | stew | yawg: if you really want to compile your own you need to get all the packages which build-essential depends on and kerenl-package and libncurses5-dev as well |
| 00:37.26 | stew | yawg: pdo.debian.net/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 00:37.30 | yawg | i don't need to compile my own |
| 00:37.33 | [bono] | Darien: i had a look at that back then... i still prefered to do it hand... anyway, g'luck. :-) |
| 00:37.40 | Gashad | Darien: Same problem in xmms :( |
| 00:37.51 | Darien | Gashad: damn, I was hoping it was an app problem |
| 00:38.00 | Darien | Gashad: I assume these are MP3s that worked fine before? |
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| 00:38.36 | Gashad | correct. Here's an extra tidbit of info: I'm using kernel 2.6, and it only plays sound (but too fast) with "OSS" output plugin selected from xmms... alsa doesn't work at all |
| 00:39.29 | Darien | hmm |
| 00:39.38 | Gashad | I thought oss was phased out or something with 2.4 |
| 00:40.36 | Darien | Gashad: it's deprecated |
| 00:41.11 | Azar | Gashad you might want to install alsa (ask dpkg in pm about alsa one-liner), unmute channels with "alsamixer" command, then configure your xmms to use ALSA plugins. |
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| 00:43.13 | Azar | Gashad at this moment even though you might install/configure alsa, the oss modules are running. you will need to replace the oss module for your sound driver in /etc/modules.conf with a "snd_" module. |
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| 00:44.53 | Gashad | Azar & Darien: Thanks for your help! apt-get install alsa was already on my machine... so I removed/reinstalled it, then ran "alsaconf" as root & it works!! :) thx again! |
| 00:44.58 | Darien | nice |
| 00:44.59 | Gashad | no more dull boringness in my office anymore! :) |
| 00:45.02 | Darien | woo~ |
| 00:45.09 | Gashad | only me to be dull & boring, not my computer ;-) |
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| 00:45.37 | Azar | \0/ |
| 00:45.38 | Darien | yeah |
| 00:45.45 | Darien | if we were friends, I would have said 'why, are you getting fired?' |
| 00:45.51 | Darien | but that's kind of a dick thing to say to someone you've just met |
| 00:46.23 | Gashad | haha :) |
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| 00:47.59 | Gashad | later everyone, thanks again! |
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| 00:48.26 | Kizmet | BBL |
| 00:48.49 | wn_ | hey guys.. Just a quick question with tar, I want to tar up some directories, is the way I would do that via "tar czf filethatistared.tar.gz /dirtobetared /otherdirectorytobetared /lastdirectorytobetared" ? |
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| 00:50.07 | crashbg | wn_: try this :) |
| 00:50.13 | stew | wn_: yes |
| 00:50.56 | wn_ | (: cheers |
| 00:51.05 | crashbg | wn_: the logical thing is the also the correct one :) |
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| 00:51.35 | wn_ | hehe yeah, just wanted to make sure, its for backup purposes so don't want to mess it up |
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| 00:52.32 | crashbg | wn_: you can always trie it first on 2-3 small files or dirs and then use it in the script |
| 00:52.50 | crashbg | i always test the whole line before baching it |
| 00:52.55 | wn_ | good point will do |
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| 00:55.47 | Seven_Six_Two | I have a problem. I have a Promise Technology IDE controller card, and although I have lspci output, I have no clue how to go about setting up the unformatted 300gb hd attached to the first ide channel. I have put some output at http://pastebin.com/567791 |
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| 00:56.10 | Pntbllfrk | What sthe command to tell you your kernel version |
| 00:56.13 | Pntbllfrk | some thing -r? |
| 00:56.17 | Pntbllfrk | uname -r? |
| 00:56.18 | abrotman | uname -a or -r |
| 00:56.30 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: you would use fdisk .. and mkfs |
| 00:56.33 | Seven_Six_Two | all I can find out on google is the exact same article over and over about setting up raid, and I don't want raid |
| 00:56.53 | Pntbllfrk | Cant find a disto that ATI drivers work with :@ |
| 00:56.54 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: to what device? |
| 00:57.09 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: no idea .. the information you showed doesn't help .. |
| 00:57.09 | crashbg | cdfisk /dev/hda |
| 00:57.12 | crashbg | maybe |
| 00:57.14 | Azar | wtf? I google and I see this link description: Howto remove Linux. A guide from Microsoft - A very informative Howto from MS |
| 00:57.16 | Seven_Six_Two | i have 2 hd and 2 cd on the 2 mb ide chans |
| 00:57.19 | abrotman | crashbg: that's a BIG assumption |
| 00:57.25 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: use dmesg .. |
| 00:57.28 | crashbg | abrotman: :) |
| 00:57.39 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two:or paste the output of dmesg somewhere |
| 00:57.42 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: ok |
| 00:58.12 | crashbg | Seven_Six_Two: what's the order of connecting the ide's? |
| 00:58.13 | abrotman | crashbg: based on what he said .. you'd have just erased his windows :) |
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| 00:58.57 | crashbg | abrotman: why? |
| 00:59.09 | crashbg | "attached to the first ide channel" |
| 00:59.13 | starfishy | abrotman: which may or may not be a good thing depending on one's point of view |
| 00:59.20 | crashbg | it has to be hda or hdb |
| 00:59.21 | abrotman | starfishy: obviously |
| 00:59.41 | abrotman | crashbg: more than likely .. the two hdds/optical drives attached to the Mobo are hda-hdd |
| 00:59.42 | crashbg | and cfdisk is gonna show him the partitions |
| 00:59.46 | starfishy | crashbg: the first ide channel of a controller card is not necessarily hda or hdb |
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| 00:59.48 | abrotman | crashbg: of the controller |
| 01:00.02 | abrotman | crashbg: he then said he had two hdds and two cds attached to the mobo |
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| 01:00.26 | crashbg | starfishy: correct, if there are sata's or something... |
| 01:00.36 | starfishy | satas show up as sdX |
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| 01:00.50 | starfishy | but usually the onboard ide controllers are hda-hdd |
| 01:00.50 | crashbg | it was just a suggestion and it won't erase his windows :P |
| 01:00.55 | abrotman | crashbg: but you still made a damn big assumption |
| 01:01.09 | starfishy | grumble |
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| 01:01.19 | starfishy | sun java studio creator = 270MB |
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| 01:01.42 | abrotman | sun java products == bloat |
| 01:01.56 | blackhat19pe | alguien de Perú ?? ..necesito alguien con debian en Perú :( |
| 01:01.58 | blackhat19pe | alguien de Perú ?? ..necesito alguien con debian en Perú :( |
| 01:02.01 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:02.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:02.03 | asg | abrotman: would you complain if it was sun porn? |
| 01:02.04 | starfishy | abrotman: too true |
| 01:02.07 | Seven_Six_Two | crashbg: meaning? I have 2x120gb hd on ide channel 1 of mb, and a cd and dvd on channel 2 |
| 01:02.19 | starfishy | but unfortunately the $CONTRACTPARTNER wants java |
| 01:02.24 | Seven_Six_Two | http://pastebin.com/567802 <---dmesg |
| 01:02.28 | abrotman | asg: why .. i'd be able to look at it .. but not jerk off .. fucking sun sucks |
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| 01:02.48 | asg | abrotman: you always get burned |
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| 01:03.00 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:03.11 | crashbg | Seven_Six_Two: so where did you connect the new harddrive? |
| 01:03.56 | DreamHacker | någon svensk? |
| 01:04.00 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: oddly .. i see hda-hdd .. but nothing else .. i don't even see the controller being there |
| 01:04.06 | abrotman | swedish? |
| 01:04.07 | litage | if eth0 is connected to a private network with no internet access and eth0:1 is connected to a network with internet access, how do tell firefox or kmail which interface to use? |
| 01:04.10 | crashbg | oh, so you have 2 onboard ide's + one pci ide card? |
| 01:04.13 | ninja | when i use Xvnc through inetd i just get a grey checkboard background and no login screen, ive searched on google and apparently it just works automatically on other distributions. is there anything else i have to do besides edit /etc/services /etc/xinet.conf /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc ? |
| 01:04.32 | abrotman | crashbg: nice of you to finally catch up |
| 01:04.33 | starfishy | litage: you dont tell firefox |
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| 01:04.42 | starfishy | litage: you set the routes properly |
| 01:04.55 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: you may need to load modules for your card to wkr |
| 01:04.56 | crashbg | then try cfdisk /dev/hde :P |
| 01:04.56 | abrotman | work |
| 01:04.59 | litage | starfishy: where do you set routes? |
| 01:05.05 | abrotman | crashbg: wow .. .could you stop fucking guessing? |
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| 01:05.35 | crashbg | abrotman: what's your problem, i don't talk to you |
| 01:05.41 | Kizmet | How would i go about logging all syslog messages locally and on another server on my local lan ? |
| 01:06.00 | abrotman | crashbg: CAUSE YOU'RE CONSTANTLY GUESSING AT SHIT THAT COULD FUCK UP HIS DATA .. STOP |
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| 01:06.14 | Seven_Six_Two | crashbg: I connected it to the 1st chan of ide controller card shown in lspci output |
| 01:06.41 | Miesco | How come when I type emacs, it goes to xemacs? |
| 01:06.42 | litage | Kizmet: that can be done quite easily, especially with syslog-ng. have a look at syslog-ng's docs |
| 01:06.49 | starfishy | route add default gw <IPofrouter> |
| 01:06.52 | Miesco | I want the one in the terminal |
| 01:06.52 | Kizmet | litage, cheers. |
| 01:06.56 | litage | np |
| 01:07.06 | Azar | how do I look for noeGNUd in debian archives? |
| 01:07.17 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: hmm...I don't know what module, but I'll google it... |
| 01:07.18 | pau4o | Miesco, try emacs -nw |
| 01:07.20 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: normally it would show the drive .. it does show hde-hdg .. but nothing attached to them |
| 01:07.27 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: the module is loaded .. but the drive isn't there |
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| 01:07.50 | Miesco | Thanks |
| 01:07.53 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: does it matter that it's not formatted, and the hd is set to cs, not master? |
| 01:07.54 | starfishy | seven_six_two: unload the module and reload it |
| 01:08.02 | DreamHacker | does anybody knows anything about the kernel-tree-2.6.12 package? i cant find it =/ all i get when i search for it is the 2.6.11 package. |
| 01:08.05 | starfishy | if the drives are detected dmesg should show them |
| 01:08.08 | starfishy | unlikely though |
| 01:08.21 | streuner | DreamHacker: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 01:08.37 | DreamHacker | dont know? |
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| 01:09.08 | Seven_Six_Two | starfishy: lol. I don't know what module, because I didn't load one |
| 01:09.26 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: the controller is PDC20267 |
| 01:10.01 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: if you go into the bios on the controller .. does it see the drive? |
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| 01:11.04 | sanxiyn | Hi, is pdo.debian.net being updated? |
| 01:11.17 | abrotman | should be |
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| 01:11.36 | sanxiyn | abrotman: It doesn't seem to update since last week. |
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| 01:11.51 | starfishy | seven_six_two: lsmod should show the loaded modules |
| 01:12.00 | abrotman | sanxiyn: you sure? |
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| 01:12.21 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: I don't know how to go into bios on controller... |
| 01:12.33 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: when you boot .. there should be a key to press |
| 01:12.35 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Quiet. |
| 01:12.46 | sanxiyn | oops, quite. |
| 01:12.47 | abrotman | quiet or quite? |
| 01:12.58 | kspath | both |
| 01:12.59 | sanxiyn | abrotman: For example, http://pdo.debian.net/xulrunner doesn't show anything. |
| 01:13.13 | kspath | abrotman: a cup of stfu? |
| 01:13.19 | dvs | ahahahahaa |
| 01:13.22 | abrotman | sanxiyn: should it? |
| 01:13.26 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Yes. |
| 01:13.29 | abrotman | !stfu |
| 01:13.29 | dpkg | stfu is probably Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 01:13.33 | abrotman | kspath: ^^ |
| 01:13.37 | Seven_Six_Two | ok, the modules are pdc202xx_old,pdc202xx_new |
| 01:13.42 | nekostar | lol |
| 01:13.44 | abrotman | !info xulrunner sid |
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| 01:13.57 | dpkg | xulrunner: (XUL + XPCOM application runner), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.8.0.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 311 kB, Installed size: 1412 kB |
| 01:14.03 | Seven_Six_Two | I didn't see a key to press, but I'll reboot to look closer |
| 01:14.05 | sanxiyn | abrotman: You see. |
| 01:14.15 | abrotman | sanxiyn: well .. when did it go in? |
| 01:14.20 | nekostar | im having trouble with my video: it keeps flashing mostly yellow overlayed kinda like mon is going out.. could that be refresh settings or something? |
| 01:14.22 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: good plan :) |
| 01:15.17 | kspath | 7.62 always shooting his/her mouth off |
| 01:15.19 | paulguy | Uhm, I'm having problems with Debian and I was told to go here. |
| 01:15.35 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Let's see... |
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| 01:15.57 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: you could also look in /proc/ide/ide3/ .. see what's in there |
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| 01:16.08 | abrotman | paulguy: ok .. we need more info |
| 01:16.14 | paulguy | yeah, okay... |
| 01:16.16 | sanxiyn | xulrunner (1.8.0.1-1) unstable -- Mike Hommey <glandium@debian.org> Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:52:24 +0100 |
| 01:16.17 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: ok |
| 01:16.29 | paulguy | I'm getting crashing with Java programs. |
| 01:16.42 | kspath | that is new? |
| 01:16.44 | sanxiyn | Maybe it wasn't uploaded after all. 1.8.0.1-3 is 2006-02-20 and -4 2006-02-21, however. |
| 01:16.46 | paulguy | I'm not using the Java that comes with Debian... |
| 01:16.50 | Seven_Six_Two | fatheadsbox:/proc/ide# ls |
| 01:16.51 | Seven_Six_Two | drivers hda hdb hdc hdd ide0 ide1 via |
| 01:16.51 | Seven_Six_Two | fatheadsbox:/proc/ide# |
| 01:16.52 | sanxiyn | At least one of them should show up. |
| 01:16.57 | paulguy | I'm using Sun Java 1.5.0_06 |
| 01:17.03 | Seven_Six_Two | ... |
| 01:17.10 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: that's wierd. . there should be an ide3 |
| 01:17.13 | dvs | paulguy: Lemme guess. You didn't use java-package |
| 01:17.14 | abrotman | errm ide2 |
| 01:17.21 | starfishy | paulguy: the java programs may be defective |
| 01:17.25 | Seven_Six_Two | back in a sec...going to look for bios |
| 01:17.36 | paulguy | It's Azureus and Limewire. |
| 01:17.47 | abrotman | what version of java? |
| 01:17.49 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Another evidence. http://pdo.debian.net/unstable/libs/ says, |
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| 01:17.54 | paulguy | They'll run for a few minutes and slow my system to a crawl. |
| 01:17.55 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Last Modified: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:35:03 +0000 |
| 01:18.01 | dvs | abrotman: Look up. 1.5.0 update 6 |
| 01:18.12 | paulguy | yeah |
| 01:18.14 | abrotman | sanxiyn: did package.d.o start again? |
| 01:18.22 | abrotman | bah .. guess not |
| 01:18.23 | starfishy | paulguy: are you sure you are not accidentally using gij? |
| 01:18.31 | paulguy | gij? |
| 01:18.32 | kspath | paulguy: sounds like normal java behavior to me |
| 01:18.35 | abrotman | gcj ? |
| 01:18.39 | Azar | I cannot find any reference for noegnud for Debian :( |
| 01:18.42 | mgoetze | what do i have to do to get debian to use an ntp server provided by dhcp? |
| 01:18.58 | paulguy | nah, I'm pretty sure I'm using the Sun one. |
| 01:19.01 | sanxiyn | So pdo.debian.net is out of date by week. More people will notice as time goes by... |
| 01:19.05 | Azar | starfishy... any hint for me? |
| 01:19.08 | starfishy | gnomejava compiler |
| 01:19.16 | abrotman | sanxiyn: uhm .. i forget who is running it .. |
| 01:19.32 | paulguy | because when Azureus runs, it tells me the version and it's the Sun one. |
| 01:19.37 | starfishy | azar: read it backwards maybe? :) |
| 01:19.38 | abrotman | sanxiyn: if a DD runs by .. i'll grab them :) |
| 01:19.40 | abrotman | damog: wake up! |
| 01:19.54 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Thanks... should I mail debian-www? |
| 01:20.01 | abrotman | sanxiyn: it's not thiers |
| 01:20.18 | damog | abrotman: yes? |
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| 01:20.26 | Azar | haha: noegnud is a 3D game of nethack/slash'EM and looks really cool but I am not sure if it can be run on Debian Sarge |
| 01:20.27 | abrotman | damog: do you remember who was doing pdo.debian.net? |
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| 01:21.19 | Azar | starfishy: http://www.linuxgames.co.za/projects/noegnud/screenshots/ |
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| 01:22.23 | starfishy | azar: should work on debian sarge |
| 01:22.28 | Azar | would I break something if I install and try to run it? |
| 01:22.30 | Azar | :) |
| 01:22.48 | abrotman | damog is like "piss off and leave me alone" :) |
| 01:22.49 | starfishy | probably not although it is hard to say |
| 01:22.50 | damog | abrotman: Joerg |
| 01:23.04 | abrotman | damog: jaesper? or whatever? |
| 01:23.10 | sanxiyn | abrotman: I guess so. |
| 01:23.14 | damog | abrotman: Jaspert, Ganneff on IRC, yes. |
| 01:23.25 | paulguy | so, yeah. Is there any way I can get this thing not to crash because I'm sure it's not normal behavior for an app that many people use to crash after just a few minutes... |
| 01:23.25 | abrotman | damog: is in #-devel? |
| 01:23.43 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Apparently away. |
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| 01:23.47 | abrotman | damog: just that pdo.debian.net seemingly isn't getting updates anymore |
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| 01:24.04 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: I don't see any way to get into controller bios... |
| 01:24.05 | starfishy | azar: rpmseek has an rpm of noegnud |
| 01:24.16 | starfishy | you could use alien to convert it to deb and then install it |
| 01:24.19 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: that's a crummy controller :) |
| 01:24.22 | Seven_Six_Two | but it did say pci slot 6 SCSI |
| 01:24.31 | yawg | ok |
| 01:24.31 | Seven_Six_Two | aren't scsi connections different? |
| 01:24.38 | yawg | i have the kernel .deb file on my laptop |
| 01:24.40 | abrotman | damog: i guess he probably knows .. |
| 01:24.45 | Azar | nice, I am just a bit amazed Debian does not have it listed |
| 01:24.51 | yawg | when i dpkg -i it, i get an error |
| 01:25.02 | e-doll | where would i practice regular expressions so that i could get the hang of it? reading about them just doesn't do it any justice. |
| 01:25.03 | abrotman | oh .. an error!?!?! |
| 01:25.06 | sanxiyn | Azar: noegnud was bug #190313. Apparently nobody was interested in packaging it. |
| 01:25.06 | yawg | saying that i don't have mkinitrd |
| 01:25.13 | sanxiyn | Azar: And damog closed it :-) |
| 01:25.14 | abrotman | e-doll: with perl or what? |
| 01:25.17 | sanxiyn | (Well, damog's script.) |
| 01:25.24 | e-doll | bash scripting abrotman |
| 01:25.26 | sanxiyn | !dbugs 190313 |
| 01:25.28 | dpkg | DONE:#190313:W[wnpp] RFP: noegnud -- multi-GUI nethack/slashem, including 3D; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:33:04 UTC |
| 01:25.42 | abrotman | e-doll: just write a script to mess with text or something |
| 01:25.52 | e-doll | ok |
| 01:25.52 | yawg | .cs dpkg 14 |
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| 01:26.26 | abrotman | e-doll: i mean .. where else would you mess with it? |
| 01:26.39 | e-doll | right, i guess |
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| 01:26.41 | Azar | sanxiyn :) hi and thank you... it looks like any 3D attempt for nethack gets abandoned |
| 01:26.51 | e-doll | too hard to learn, id just be making scribble |
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| 01:26.53 | Azar | egoboo, now noegnud |
| 01:27.02 | abrotman | you could reopen the rfp |
| 01:27.16 | e-doll | me open an rfp? |
| 01:27.27 | abrotman | not you .. Azar and sanxiyn |
| 01:27.32 | e-doll | ok |
| 01:27.56 | Azar | abrotman, in english.. that would be.. ? |
| 01:28.02 | sanxiyn | abrotman: I now realize RFPs aren't really meaningful. :( |
| 01:28.24 | abrotman | sanxiyn: well .. an RFP that is a year old probably isn't worth much :) |
| 01:28.30 | Azar | ah request for patch? |
| 01:28.30 | abrotman | !tell Azar about rfp |
| 01:28.35 | Seven_Six_Two | PCI: Device 0000:00:0b.0 not found by BIOS |
| 01:28.35 | Seven_Six_Two | PCI: Error while updating region 0000:00:0b.0/1 (40000000 != 00000000) |
| 01:28.37 | sanxiyn | Azar: Request for Packaging. |
| 01:28.52 | Seven_Six_Two | boo to that |
| 01:29.05 | Azar | :) ah you know nethack should deserve a facelift I do not understand why every project dies |
| 01:29.07 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: that would be your controller |
| 01:29.08 | azeem | sanxiyn: pdo is getting fixed |
| 01:29.18 | azeem | I hope |
| 01:29.31 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: probably...I'll loog for one on the hcl |
| 01:29.48 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: what's your kernel? |
| 01:29.57 | abrotman | azeem: like .. momentarily? or in a few days? |
| 01:30.08 | abrotman | azeem: wait .. the real pdo .. or the pdo.d.n? |
| 01:30.11 | Seven_Six_Two | 2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 01:30.15 | azeem | abrotman: the latter |
| 01:30.20 | starfishy | i must be off ... later |
| 01:30.26 | dvs | l8r |
| 01:30.27 | abrotman | azeem: to both i guess huh ? :) |
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| 01:30.35 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: there are newer kernels in etch and sid |
| 01:30.40 | sanxiyn | azeem: Nice to hear that. |
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| 01:31.03 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: yes, but it's an older controller. do you think it would really help? |
| 01:31.08 | streuner | azeem: how do you know? |
| 01:31.20 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: you never know .. it could |
| 01:32.02 | Seven_Six_Two | i was up to 2.6.15 and it did bad things. i couldn't boot x because my vid modules aren't available for it |
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| 01:32.26 | sanxiyn | streuner: He got Real Ultimate Power. |
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| 01:32.30 | stew | abrotman: did you see the mail from ajt on dda? once the mirror split happens (2nd week of march), i think we get the real pdo back |
| 01:32.31 | MeTo | hey can any 1 here help me im newbbie in linux os |
| 01:32.32 | MeTo | ?? |
| 01:32.32 | Seven_Six_Two | well the nvidia ones aren't |
| 01:32.48 | dvs | MeTo: As long as it's Debian |
| 01:32.49 | abrotman | stew: i saw . didn't get to reading it yet |
| 01:32.57 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: for nvidia? |
| 01:33.03 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: well . might be worth it to see |
| 01:33.06 | Seven_Six_Two | yes |
| 01:33.21 | sanxiyn | stew: Possibly, since currently packages.debian.org and ftp.debian.org is on the same machine. |
| 01:33.24 | MeTo | any one here can help me pls |
| 01:33.25 | MeTo | any one here can help me pls |
| 01:33.58 | abrotman | dude .. just freaking ask |
| 01:33.58 | streuner | azeem: or are you guessing? |
| 01:34.25 | sanxiyn | streuner: I said he got Real Ultimate Power (runs away) |
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| 01:35.00 | yawg | i'm having a tricky time installing the 2.6 kernel |
| 01:35.07 | yawg | i have the .deb image file |
| 01:35.23 | azeem | streuner: I notified one of the persons responsible for pdo.d.n who didn't know about the breakage |
| 01:35.28 | yawg | and i tried dpkg -i ... |
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| 01:35.40 | MeTo | any one here can help me pls |
| 01:35.41 | sanxiyn | azeem: Thanks. |
| 01:35.41 | MeTo | any one here can help me pls |
| 01:35.48 | sanxiyn | MeTo: Just ask a question.f |
| 01:35.49 | dvs | !tell MeTo -about ask |
| 01:35.50 | azeem | MeTo: please don't repeat |
| 01:36.07 | MeTo | ok am so sry |
| 01:36.08 | streuner | azeem: interesting, he is prolly one of our ftp-masters |
| 01:36.10 | MeTo | imm new bie |
| 01:36.18 | azeem | streuner: why? |
| 01:36.24 | MeTo | and dont know what is lunix or unix |
| 01:36.29 | MeTo | i wanna to get free version |
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| 01:36.40 | MeTo | i hear debian mandrake re d hat |
| 01:36.41 | MeTo | ?? |
| 01:36.42 | azeem | MeTo: see http://www.debian.org for information |
| 01:36.44 | sanxiyn | MeTo: Debian is free, as in no cost. |
| 01:36.45 | thingfish | why does this have to happen to us. |
| 01:36.46 | MeTo | what is thediffer |
| 01:36.47 | MeTo | ? |
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| 01:36.56 | azeem | !why debian |
| 01:36.56 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 01:36.58 | sanxiyn | MeTo: The difference being that Debian rocks. |
| 01:37.08 | dvs | !beer sanxiyn |
| 01:37.19 | streuner | azeem: its running at 'Strato'... |
| 01:37.19 | Azar | MeTo linux is the kernel Debian, RedHat ..etc are operating systems working on linux |
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| 01:37.41 | MeTo | hmm ok |
| 01:37.42 | abrotman | !tell MeTo about d-i |
| 01:37.51 | MeTo | ok |
| 01:37.53 | MeTo | :) |
| 01:37.54 | Seven_Six_Two | ??? |
| 01:37.58 | azeem | streuner: ah, I misparsed "our" in there ;) |
| 01:38.02 | MeTo | how can i get debian source ?? |
| 01:38.09 | abrotman | !tell meto about source |
| 01:38.10 | azeem | MeTo: it's at ftp.debian.org |
| 01:38.11 | Seven_Six_Two | lspci -vv now gives totally different output for that card |
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| 01:38.49 | Novato | Boa Noite |
| 01:38.57 | thingfish | boa noite |
| 01:38.59 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: with a newer kernel? |
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| 01:39.07 | Novato | Alguem sabe qual a sala que eu consigo ajuda para instalar o asterisk? |
| 01:39.11 | abrotman | !br |
| 01:39.11 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:39.16 | thingfish | !br |
| 01:39.18 | thingfish | oops |
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| 01:39.25 | dvs | thingfish: too slow! |
| 01:39.31 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 01:39.35 | abrotman | i wanted a pony! |
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| 01:39.43 | thingfish | dvs: I wallow in my shame. |
| 01:39.43 | Seven_Six_Two | nope. nothing has changed. not it says it's an AT&T GIS (ncr) unknown device |
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| 01:39.45 | abrotman | azeem gets all the ponies .. it's not fair! |
| 01:39.48 | dvs | ;-) |
| 01:39.53 | azeem | I never got a pony! |
| 01:39.55 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: update-pciids |
| 01:40.01 | abrotman | !prize azeem |
| 01:40.04 | abrotman | see |
| 01:40.06 | azeem | hhaha |
| 01:40.08 | abrotman | every freaking time |
| 01:40.17 | EruditeHermit | hey, does anyone know which package the "fixed" font is in? |
| 01:40.27 | azeem | EruditeHermit: xfonts-base I think |
| 01:40.30 | streuner | !fixed font |
| 01:40.30 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 01:40.33 | abrotman | azeem: that's almost qotd worthy :) |
| 01:41.05 | asg | abrotman: the bit about the pony? |
| 01:41.12 | abrotman | asg: yeah |
| 01:41.24 | asg | abrotman: remember, Pony used to make sneakers |
| 01:41.30 | abrotman | everytime i give azeem a prize .. he gets a pony |
| 01:41.41 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: same output, but it does say both I/O ports are diabled |
| 01:41.49 | Seven_Six_Two | *disbaled |
| 01:41.57 | Seven_Six_Two | lol. disabled |
| 01:42.06 | dvs | disballed? Ouch! |
| 01:42.17 | azeem | disabling lol is sensible |
| 01:42.26 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:42.33 | streuner | ~lolstats |
| 01:42.33 | apt | total count of lol on #debian: 10751 |
| 01:42.35 | abrotman | someone put funny in azeem's water |
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| 01:42.45 | asg | abrotman: or he's been in my bar |
| 01:42.48 | thingfish | hehe yep |
| 01:42.50 | abrotman | asg: aren't you at home? |
| 01:42.56 | azeem | I've been in the Augustinerkeller |
| 01:42.59 | asg | abrotman: yes, my bar is fully stocked |
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| 01:43.01 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:43.10 | streuner | azeem: beer? |
| 01:43.14 | asg | abrotman: minus what I've had since I got home |
| 01:43.20 | azeem | yeah |
| 01:43.21 | thingfish | probably damn good beer. |
| 01:43.31 | abrotman | you think germans have good beer? |
| 01:43.48 | abrotman | everyone knows the best beer comes from jamaica! .. red stripe forever! |
| 01:43.50 | thingfish | surely it's better than budweiser or coors. |
| 01:43.55 | nyx | hello everybody |
| 01:43.58 | dvs | abrotman: Damn right! |
| 01:44.05 | thingfish | oh come on, red stripe is nothing to write home about. |
| 01:44.07 | abrotman | dvs: bah .. you get molson XXX |
| 01:44.22 | dvs | abrotman: Actually, Labatt Maximum Ice is better. |
| 01:44.25 | thingfish | piss water, all of it. |
| 01:44.33 | abrotman | thingfish: yuengling! |
| 01:44.35 | asg | thingfish: but it's been helping our white friends dance for 'tirty yeers' |
| 01:44.40 | abrotman | thingfish: i was joking about red stripe |
| 01:44.40 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 01:45.03 | nyx | what? there are many good beers in the world, but the best is from here! |
| 01:45.07 | thingfish | well thank goodness, abrotman. I thought, next he's going to bring up Rolling Rock. |
| 01:45.07 | EruditeHermit | is fixed supposed to be in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/ ? |
| 01:45.24 | abrotman | thingfish: i'm from PA .. i don't even really like rolling rock |
| 01:45.36 | abrotman | thingfish: though .. given your locale .. does bud come out of the tap? |
| 01:45.37 | thingfish | abrotman: good, I was right. ;) |
| 01:45.42 | thingfish | aack |
| 01:45.48 | thingfish | yes, in most places. |
| 01:45.54 | abrotman | i meant the faucet :) |
| 01:46.07 | thingfish | but you'll *never* catch me drinking that trash. |
| 01:46.10 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 01:46.23 | abrotman | thingfish: you'd rather drink river water eh? :) |
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| 01:46.33 | thingfish | now, if it came out the tap, I suppose I might be tempted to swig a little from time to time. |
| 01:46.44 | thingfish | just for the alcohol, you understand. |
| 01:46.59 | abrotman | thingfish: just imagine brushing your teeth with bud ... ick ick ick |
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| 01:47.23 | nyx | am I wrong hrere? Am I in a Debian channel or in a pub? :) |
| 01:47.29 | mo1991 | can someone help me configuring wlan with wlan-ng driver? Normally I put the encryption key and info into /etc/network/interfaces (for other wireless devices ath0, etc) but for wlan0 it says operation not permitted. Where do I put the encryption setings for wlan0 - i read you have to put them into another files |
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| 01:47.39 | dvs | !beer nyx |
| 01:47.41 | asg | nyx: the best work is always done over beers in pubs |
| 01:47.46 | thingfish | abrotman: well it'd be ok if you left out the toothpaste. |
| 01:47.50 | dagbrown | Now that's a daijoki! |
| 01:47.59 | nyx | @dvs: thanks, prost! |
| 01:48.19 | thingfish | nyx: after a certain hour, it kind of blends into both. |
| 01:48.21 | abrotman | nyx: sadly .. this happens a few times a day .. that happens with a 24hr channel .. |
| 01:48.34 | abrotman | erm .. s/day/week/ |
| 01:48.45 | dvs | nyx: It's alwasy happy hour somewhere in the world |
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| 01:48.56 | asg | dvs: beernyx sounds like a Unix I could really love. I'm sure it would have uubp(1C) installed by default. |
| 01:48.57 | thingfish | dvs: I'll drink to that! |
| 01:49.03 | abrotman | dvs: yeah .. but how come asg is always there? |
| 01:49.25 | dvs | abrotman: Well, we shouldn't make light of his "problem" ;-) |
| 01:49.27 | thingfish | maybe he's like martha stewart, only sleeps 4 hours/night. |
| 01:49.28 | EruditeHermit | has anyone poked about with Xorg7 in experimental? |
| 01:49.32 | asg | abrotman: I'm like an alky super hero. If there's beer around, I'm there. |
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| 01:49.44 | nyx | @all: cheers, prost, slauntche, nastrowje...! |
| 01:49.50 | abrotman | asg: able to down beers in a single gulp ? |
| 01:50.28 | dvs | abrotman: Faster than the silver bullet! |
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| 01:50.33 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 01:50.35 | nyx | @abrotman: you mean "auf ex"? |
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| 01:51.16 | abrotman | EruditeHermit: probably a person or two |
| 01:51.53 | asg | abrotman: asg II, the smell of beer. |
| 01:52.10 | EruditeHermit | abrotman: have you? |
| 01:52.22 | abrotman | no |
| 01:52.40 | nyx | @asg: beernyx, hehe, if my nick is occupied, not a bad idea. Indeed sounds like beer and unix! |
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| 01:52.42 | abrotman | asg: asg III, the morning after |
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| 01:53.33 | TheBest | where i get source.list |
| 01:53.46 | dvs | TheBest: you should already have it |
| 01:53.46 | thingfish | I'll sell you mine. |
| 01:53.50 | dvs | TheBest: /etc/apt |
| 01:53.52 | streuner | TheBest: run 'apt-setup' |
| 01:54.08 | asg | abrotman: not a problem, my remedy for hangovers (actual or illusory) is: 2 bottles of warm beer and 1 hot cup of coffee. |
| 01:54.33 | thingfish | my remedy is BBQ ribs. |
| 01:54.39 | TheBest | -bash: apt-setup: command not found |
| 01:54.41 | abrotman | asg: as a single drink ? |
| 01:54.42 | wireddd | 2 advil, 2 cups of warm water |
| 01:54.53 | dvs | TheBest: as root |
| 01:55.07 | asg | abrotman: no, as in: step 1) drink both beers relatively quickly. step 2) drink the coffee. |
| 01:55.11 | abrotman | dvs: not in etch/sid |
| 01:55.20 | dvs | abrotman: Really? Wow! |
| 01:55.26 | nyx | btw, I feel when I am "full" (of beer), but can anybody tell me whether the CPU is "full" of workload by a process in kernelspace? |
| 01:55.29 | abrotman | asg: i prefer .. 1) 6 egg omelette |
| 01:55.31 | TheBest | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
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| 01:55.51 | asg | abrotman: usually, I do 2.5) kit-kat + multi-vitamin |
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| 01:56.03 | khella | «¼¼» §äLäM £vë®ÿÖñë «¼¼» |
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| 01:56.12 | thingfish | mmm...an omelet sounds good...cheese, green onions, mushrooms... |
| 01:56.12 | streuner | well, somebody who running unstable should know how to edit sources.list by hand... |
| 01:56.13 | abrotman | khella: bad script! |
| 01:56.23 | TheBest | where i find debian 3.1 source.list |
| 01:56.27 | \amethyst | nyx: look at the %system header in top |
| 01:56.36 | \amethyst | err, % sy |
| 01:56.38 | streuner | TheBest: we told you |
| 01:56.42 | streuner | TheBest: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 01:56.48 | asg | TheBest: run 'apt-setup' as root |
| 01:57.12 | nyx | @amnethyst: thanks, I'll hava a look |
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| 01:58.24 | Snadder | hi.. what could be wrong. when I get a very strange background noice. when I turn on a program which is using the sound device.. even if the volum is turned off |
| 01:58.50 | asg | TheBest: 1) don't /msg people without permission. 2) you aren't running Debian 3.1 or you would have it. Paste what streuner asked you to (above) |
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| 01:59.26 | abrotman | /msg asg well .. why can't i msg you? |
| 01:59.28 | streuner | <TheBest> ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 01:59.28 | streuner | <TheBest> 500 http://mirrors.lycos-vds.com testing/main Packages |
| 01:59.40 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:59.46 | asg | abrotman: /msg abrotman because you don't swallow |
| 01:59.56 | Tiak | Snadder, try physically checking the connection |
| 02:00.02 | abrotman | /msg asg but i want to have your babies . .and it's so hard to spit that in the right place |
| 02:00.06 | Snadder | Tiak, which connection? |
| 02:00.07 | Tiak | make sure it's plugged in fully |
| 02:00.19 | asg | abrotman: /msg abrotman that's why snorkels were invented |
| 02:00.35 | thingfish | abrotman hahaha |
| 02:00.35 | Snadder | Tiak, i've tried with skype, xmms+++.. if I just start it.. it creates background noice |
| 02:00.38 | abrotman | /msg asg but then i wouldn't taste anything |
| 02:00.47 | streuner | TheBest: substitute all lines with 'testing' or 'etch' -> 'stable' in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:00.48 | thingfish | oh you nasty |
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| 02:01.10 | Brun0o | fuck |
| 02:01.13 | abrotman | asg: was that a misfire? |
| 02:01.41 | asg | abrotman: Pre-J |
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| 02:01.48 | abrotman | asg: k-y? |
| 02:01.49 | Brun0o | why? |
| 02:01.57 | asg | abrotman: why not |
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| 02:02.04 | abrotman | asg: i like chaffing? |
| 02:02.09 | Brun0o | from where are you? |
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| 02:02.24 | abrotman | TheBest: that is a prerelease sarge libc6 |
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| 02:02.28 | darkcmd | anyone know what this means: configure: error: Could not find XOpenDisplay in -lX11. |
| 02:02.29 | asg | Brun0o: /whois <foo> (then use standard tools to figure it out) |
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| 02:02.37 | darkcmd | is there some kind of package I can get to fix this |
| 02:02.51 | asg | darkcmd: xlibs-dev (probably) |
| 02:03.04 | Brun0o | what? |
| 02:03.19 | Snadder | Tiak, its just programs.. not if I turn on the mic.. |
| 02:03.57 | Snadder | I've heard something about bus problems.. what does that really mean? |
| 02:04.11 | abrotman | Snadder: you'll be on the short bus in the morning |
| 02:04.27 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:04.41 | Snadder | :-p |
| 02:05.00 | darkcmd | asg: building pekwm, since debian doesn't seem to have it |
| 02:05.01 | Snadder | long time ago that happend.. |
| 02:05.16 | Snadder | it didnt happend with the old sound card. |
| 02:05.59 | thingfish | actually, I had an HP once that, when I moved the mouse, I got a kind of growling noise. |
| 02:05.59 | Catch`CoNdA | Can anyone help me here, I have a problem with my usb device. I use udev, and try to follow this guide: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/126 but all that I recieve from plugging my device is this; http://pastebin.com/567904 . Debian testing, 2.6x with kde 3.5 |
| 02:06.31 | Catch`CoNdA | Yeah, I may add that it worked during 3.4 but as I upgraded it stopped. |
| 02:06.35 | asg | darkcmd: then I expect X's development libraries will need to be installed. (xlibs-dev or xlibs-stataic-dev) |
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| 02:06.46 | mo1991 | anyone help me with encryption on a wlan-ng driver |
| 02:06.50 | mo1991 | works with no encryption |
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| 02:07.08 | abrotman | woohoo .. let the fun begin! |
| 02:07.08 | coywolf | !pita |
| 02:07.08 | dpkg | pita is, like, pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 02:07.12 | asg | mo1991: is this WPA or WEP? |
| 02:07.37 | thingfish | I should buy more pita. You can do neat things with it. |
| 02:07.39 | darkcmd | asg: its working thanks, I appreciate your help :) |
| 02:07.46 | asg | darkcmd: you're welcome |
| 02:07.56 | abrotman | thingfish: more pain in the ass ? |
| 02:08.03 | asg | abrotman: dvda |
| 02:08.08 | thingfish | heh |
| 02:08.15 | abrotman | thingfish: k-y? :) |
| 02:08.17 | thingfish | no, the bread, silly. |
| 02:08.21 | thingfish | tsk |
| 02:08.25 | asg | abrotman: wildcats |
| 02:08.35 | abrotman | asg: grrr |
| 02:08.42 | asg | abrotman: football |
| 02:08.50 | thingfish | gosh, one could get scandalized in here, if one were so disposed. |
| 02:09.00 | asg | thingfish: we specialize in it |
| 02:09.15 | thingfish | asg: I know, that's why I like it here so much. |
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| 02:09.37 | mo1991 | asg - this is wep |
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| 02:09.58 | mo1991 | normally i put this stuff in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:10.04 | asg | mo1991: then wep is worthless and easily crackable. Better to give it the finger and use IPSec or even something like ppp over ssh. |
| 02:10.09 | mo1991 | but for the wlan-ng driver it goes somewher else I guess |
| 02:10.18 | mo1991 | ya, i know |
| 02:10.38 | mo1991 | cracked mine last night |
| 02:10.55 | mo1991 | just trying to figure out where I put the config files for this new wlan-ng driver |
| 02:11.12 | mo1991 | all me other wireless stuff ath0, etc. goes in the interfaces file |
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| 02:13.43 | Brun0o | putos |
| 02:13.50 | abrotman | is that all? |
| 02:13.59 | Azar | wow I love crystal images from crystalcore, cool for backgrounds, I guess the games will be extra |
| 02:14.53 | Four026 | Hey. I'm trying desperately to install the JDK on debian. I've followed pretty much every variant of tutorial I can find, including dummy packages and using make-jpkg (neither of which I fully understood, so it's quite possible I got slightly wrong, although I can't see where) and have generally become stuck. Can anyone help? |
| 02:15.00 | Azar | http://crystalcore.svanfeldt.com/tikiwiki/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=9 << those will continue the art of Myst I guess |
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| 02:15.29 | abrotman | Four026: make-jpkg is pretty easy |
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| 02:15.40 | Four026 | abrotman: agreed. |
| 02:15.46 | Four026 | but it didn't work |
| 02:15.54 | abrotman | Four026: why not? |
| 02:15.55 | Four026 | I got the .deb file fine |
| 02:16.12 | Four026 | I used dpkg -i and it looked like it installed okay |
| 02:16.35 | Four026 | but java --version just gives me bash complaining that it can't find java |
| 02:16.47 | abrotman | did you install jdk or jre? |
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| 02:16.57 | Four026 | and when I go hunt down the actual java binary, it whinges about not being able to start the VM... |
| 02:16.59 | Four026 | jdk |
| 02:17.18 | fhffhqvb | !maint ntp-server |
| 02:17.20 | Four026 | "Error occurred during initialization of VM" |
| 02:17.23 | dpkg | ntp-server: Debian NTP Team <debian-ntp@gag.com> |
| 02:17.31 | abrotman | Four026: sounds like it wasn't installed correctly |
| 02:17.31 | fhffhqvb | bah. |
| 02:17.44 | Four026 | abrotman: any idea how to fix? |
| 02:17.56 | abrotman | yeah .. use make-jpkg correctly? :) |
| 02:18.00 | Four026 | -_- |
| 02:18.09 | streuner | fhffhqvb: who is on 'gag.com' ;-) |
| 02:18.13 | abrotman | Four026: it works for tons of people correctly |
| 02:18.23 | fhffhqvb | streuner: whoever it is, the moron broke ntp-server AGAIN. |
| 02:18.31 | streuner | haha |
| 02:19.05 | abrotman | dpkg: do my dishes |
| 02:19.27 | Four026 | abrotman: does it help if I tell you I had to modify /etc/apt/sources.list to get java-package to install? that seemed a little _too_ hacky... |
| 02:19.42 | abrotman | Four026: you 100% should not have had to do that |
| 02:19.48 | Four026 | aha |
| 02:19.54 | abrotman | Four026: oh wait .. to use contrib ? |
| 02:19.59 | abrotman | !info java-package sarge |
| 02:20.00 | Readon | would rc.local run deamon file correct? i added pptpd into it but it doesn't run. |
| 02:20.01 | Four026 | er. |
| 02:20.01 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 02:21.22 | Four026 | I had to add the "deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy multiverse" server... |
| 02:21.24 | delmar | can make-kpkg be used with distcc? im not sure how to get it to work... make-kpkg supports -j ? |
| 02:21.54 | streuner | Four026: #ubuntu |
| 02:22.01 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:22.21 | Four026 | streuner: but here's the killer. I'm using debian, not ubuntu |
| 02:22.25 | abrotman | i thought ubuntu shipped iwth ubuntu |
| 02:22.30 | abrotman | Four026: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:22.38 | streuner | Four026: well, you aren't that clever then |
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| 02:23.15 | streuner | Four026: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 02:24.05 | Four026 | "ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone 500 ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org stable/main Packages" |
| 02:24.21 | Anthro | I can't figure out how to make cryptsetup use a key longer than 256 bits. Do I need to use a particular cipher? Which ones are available? |
| 02:24.36 | streuner | Four026: don't use ubuntu packages, it'll break you debian system |
| 02:24.42 | Four026 | okay. |
| 02:24.44 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
| 02:24.46 | Four026 | sorry |
| 02:24.59 | Four026 | I'd hoped they might be compatible |
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| 02:25.07 | streuner | no, they aren't |
| 02:25.16 | Four026 | is there somewhere I can get a debian version of java-package then? |
| 02:25.22 | abrotman | yes .. from contrib |
| 02:25.28 | abrotman | !java-package |
| 02:25.28 | dpkg | [java-package] a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 02:25.33 | abrotman | !install java |
| 02:25.33 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
| 02:25.50 | abrotman | yeah .. that's hard |
| 02:26.03 | wotnarg | I set up a cvs pserver on another box, and when I try to get it from this one, it gives a user rsa key has changed error. How do I get it to add a key? |
| 02:26.12 | streuner | !listvals blackdown |
| 02:26.14 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'blackdown' by value (11): applet ;; get-blackdown ;; fonseca ;; jdk/linux ;; jdk1.3 debs ;; jre ;; sid mozilla java deb ;; unofficial d-i ;; blackdown debs ;; jdk ;; blackdown. |
| 02:26.20 | Four026 | abrotman: sorry, I'm still not understanding 'contrib' |
| 02:26.32 | streuner | !get-blackdown |
| 02:26.32 | dpkg | well, get-blackdown is go to http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java-linux-d2.html, pick a mirror, add <mirror-url>/debian <release> main non-free, (where <release> is your release (stable, testing, unstable)) to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 02:26.54 | delmar | Im looking at using distcc, but it doesnt look like make-kpkg supports its use, can anyone advise me on this please? |
| 02:26.58 | abrotman | !tell Four026 about contrib |
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| 02:27.28 | streuner | Four026: just run 'apt-setup' as root and add contrib non-free, plus 'security.debian.org' |
| 02:27.48 | Four026 | okay... *tries this* |
| 02:27.52 | Four026 | thanks... |
| 02:28.02 | streuner | Four026: just use the packages of blackdown |
| 02:28.27 | streuner | Four026: they are not that new, but they should work |
| 02:28.57 | Four026 | streuner: it's tempting, but this is for a CS course, so it's kinda gotta be as kosher as possible |
| 02:29.01 | dagbrown | Unless you really want Java 1.5, in which case you're stuck with Sun's. |
| 02:29.13 | Four026 | yeah. I do, and I am |
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| 02:29.32 | dagbrown | Must be one heck of an undergrad CS course that insists on the very latest version of Java. |
| 02:29.38 | datazone | startkeylogger |
| 02:29.39 | streuner | Four026: so scroll up and see what abrotman told you |
| 02:29.44 | abrotman | dagbrown: not really .. you can grab the java-package from sid and use that |
| 02:29.55 | streuner | Four026: (about java) |
| 02:30.02 | \amethyst | Four026: complain to your prof about making your use non-free software |
| 02:30.09 | \amethyst | s/our/ou/ |
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| 02:30.17 | thingfish | yeah really, the fascist. |
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| 02:30.20 | Four026 | heh |
| 02:30.28 | abrotman | at least it's not Visual J++ |
| 02:30.31 | Four026 | that'll go down really well, I'm sure. |
| 02:30.34 | Four026 | exactly |
| 02:30.36 | \amethyst | it will probably be ineffectual, but you can maybe get into a situation where you can claim political discrimination |
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| 02:30.47 | \amethyst | Universities are incredibly insane in that way |
| 02:31.02 | Four026 | heh |
| 02:31.31 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: It is just so retarded. all I had to do was move it to a different pci slot. I still can't get into the bios (manual says ctrl+f) but it showed up in disk manager, and ide2 in /proc/ide |
| 02:31.45 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: yay! .. got it formatted? |
| 02:31.54 | \amethyst | "PCI. It used to suck worse." |
| 02:31.56 | dagbrown | \amethyst: Complaining to profs about using non-free software is a great way of making no point whatsoever. |
| 02:32.07 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: no, but recognized. is there a good gui partitioner? |
| 02:32.13 | thingfish | like they'd give a shit anyway. |
| 02:32.20 | abrotman | cfdisk... though fdisk works just as well |
| 02:32.21 | dagbrown | The university I went to is now thoroughly buried in Microsoft's pockets. Half the undergrad courses are in C#. |
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| 02:32.29 | AM|R | need helps |
| 02:32.36 | Seven_Six_Two | so i can look before I apply? cfdisk is gui? |
| 02:32.47 | Seven_Six_Two | or ascii at least? |
| 02:32.48 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: not really gui .. it's curses iirc |
| 02:32.52 | \amethyst | dagbrown: It's much better than the complaints about having to use non-Windows software |
| 02:32.54 | Seven_Six_Two | good enough |
| 02:32.57 | AM|R | my admin delete /etc/passwd and i already cp /etc/passwd- /etc/passwd reboot |
| 02:33.02 | AM|R | and this happened |
| 02:33.13 | AM|R | ns:~# su amir |
| 02:33.13 | AM|R | I have no name!@ns:/root$ |
| 02:33.15 | dagbrown | Rebooting was probably a bad idea. |
| 02:33.25 | dagbrown | Oh hey, at least you got that far. |
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| 02:33.29 | dagbrown | You can useradd yourself? |
| 02:33.47 | AM|R | I have no name!@ns:/root$ id |
| 02:33.47 | AM|R | uid=1002 gid=1002(amir) groups=1002(amir) |
| 02:33.52 | AM|R | i can login as root |
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| 02:34.32 | \amethyst | grep amir /etc/passwd says? (assuming you have shadow so it's safe to post) |
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| 02:35.11 | dagbrown | Even if he doesn't, he'll be changing it in a moment anyway |
| 02:36.23 | aeronadix | anyone use wine? I am using Ares (p2p) and my files are saved in C:/Program File/Ares/My Shared Folder, so where would that be on my 'real' linux directory? |
| 02:36.29 | yawg | i installed debian on an old laptop using floppy disks, now i'm having a hard time upgrading the kernel to 2.6 |
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| 02:37.02 | AM|R | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.02 | AM|R | grep: /etc/passwd: Permission denied |
| 02:37.07 | AM|R | change permission? |
| 02:37.08 | AM|R | rite? |
| 02:37.14 | dagbrown | Oop |
| 02:37.23 | dagbrown | The permissions on /etc/passwd should be 644 |
| 02:37.31 | aeronadix | yawg: it should be as easy as apt-get install |
| 02:37.35 | TheBest | his is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 02:37.35 | TheBest | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 02:37.44 | yawg | it doesn't have a connection to the network yet, aeronadix |
| 02:37.53 | yawg | that is why i need the new kernel |
| 02:37.58 | aeronadix | oh, then how did you install via floppy? |
| 02:38.03 | yawg | i can't remember |
| 02:38.06 | yawg | it was a while ago |
| 02:38.12 | dagbrown | That must have been quite the stack of floppies |
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| 02:38.17 | yawg | i had to transfer it |
| 02:38.18 | aeronadix | you better get back on the network and apt-get install your kernel |
| 02:38.21 | yawg | in small pieces |
| 02:38.30 | yawg | i was never on the network with it |
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| 02:38.31 | aeronadix | dagbrown, just four |
| 02:38.40 | yawg | it had problems from the beginning |
| 02:38.42 | aeronadix | dagbrown and you really only need the three |
| 02:39.00 | yawg | no it took at least 20 |
| 02:39.04 | aeronadix | yawg: do you have a network card? |
| 02:39.07 | yawg | yeah |
| 02:39.19 | yawg | and the system seems to recognize it |
| 02:39.28 | aeronadix | yawg: I don't know what floppies you got, but those are the good ones |
| 02:39.32 | yawg | when i plug it in, some text gets printed, none of it looks like an error |
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| 02:39.55 | aeronadix | yawg: do ifconfig and if it works it works |
| 02:39.58 | yawg | but ifconfig eth0 address 192.168.1.19 doesn't work |
| 02:40.10 | aeronadix | yawg: just do ifconfig |
| 02:40.11 | abrotman | aeronadix: whereever you told wine to put your fake windows dir |
| 02:40.13 | Seven_Six_Two | dammit. cfdisk shows black screen, and says "Fatal error" cannot read disk drive |
| 02:40.14 | yawg | aeronadix: doesn't work |
| 02:40.23 | aeronadix | yawg: ? |
| 02:40.26 | Seven_Six_Two | although proc shows all drive's info |
| 02:40.34 | aeronadix | abrotman: thats what I am trying to figure out |
| 02:40.35 | abrotman | check dmesg again |
| 02:40.37 | yawg | aeronadix: typing ifconfig doesn't return anything |
| 02:40.44 | abrotman | aeronadix: check the wine config in ~/.wine |
| 02:40.53 | aeronadix | abrotman: cool |
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| 02:41.52 | aeronadix | abrotman: cool, found it. It was ~/.wine/drive_c |
| 02:42.24 | abrotman | usually is :) |
| 02:42.27 | aeronadix | yawg: do /sbin/ifconfig, or log as root |
| 02:42.39 | yawg | this was under root |
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| 02:43.01 | yawg | aeronadix: and ifconfig -a returns what ifconfig should |
| 02:43.06 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: buffer i/o error & dma disabled |
| 02:43.08 | aeronadix | yawg: you should at least get a lo if you card isn't driven |
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| 02:43.17 | Seven_Six_Two | would you like a pastebin entry? |
| 02:43.27 | Seven_Six_Two | it's not good looking |
| 02:43.48 | Goat25 | mmm this beer tastes so good |
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| 02:44.04 | yawg | aeronadix: i get a lo and a eth0 |
| 02:44.11 | yawg | it just doesn't have an ip address |
| 02:44.19 | aeronadix | yawg: cool |
| 02:44.22 | Goat25 | beer and debian...perfect together |
| 02:44.42 | aeronadix | yawg: if it is plugged in, then try /sbin/dhclient |
| 02:44.46 | Xenguy | Goat25: there's never enough of it tho :-) |
| 02:44.52 | Four026 | abrotman: thanks for your help this far, but now make-jpkg doesn't create a .deb file at all |
| 02:45.14 | paulguy | yiff yiff |
| 02:45.16 | aeronadix | I quit beer, but i have cravings for last couple hours, but no more drunk loser life for me |
| 02:45.23 | abrotman | Four026: errors are good! |
| 02:45.29 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: that controller hates you :) |
| 02:45.34 | Xenguy | aeronadix: I still like beer/ale |
| 02:45.43 | abrotman | aeronadix: switch to whiskey! |
| 02:45.51 | Xenguy | hah |
| 02:46.03 | Four026 | abrotman: the only thing I get that looks remotely like an error is "No matching plugin was found." |
| 02:46.03 | aeronadix | wiskey and I am running around the streets naked and waking in a cell |
| 02:46.22 | Xenguy | aeronadix: a wise decision then ;-) |
| 02:46.30 | Seven_Six_Two | http://pastebin.com/567955 |
| 02:46.37 | abrotman | Four026: it does that creating a .deb? |
| 02:46.42 | Goat25 | there's nothing like popping open a cold one and popping open a vi editor |
| 02:46.48 | aeronadix | just kidden, I barely get drunk anymore, even I drink a six or a mickey |
| 02:47.06 | Four026 | abrotman: it doesn't create a .deb file at all any more |
| 02:47.17 | Xenguy | Goat25: yay vim - a truly *interesting* editor :-) |
| 02:47.29 | streuner | hm, you liver is well proofed then... |
| 02:47.33 | Seven_Six_Two | yes the controller hates me, but i see a message that says it's detecting the drive during post, and proc gives the correct drive size etc |
| 02:47.40 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: all the controllers are regular ATA ? |
| 02:47.43 | scarynetworkguy | Four026: Suck less. |
| 02:47.59 | Seven_Six_Two | yup. ata100. the drive is ata100 too |
| 02:48.16 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You just mad that up! |
| 02:48.17 | Four026 | scarynetworkguy: hey, is there a tutorial somewhere for that? |
| 02:48.18 | Seven_Six_Two | i switched the jumper from cs to master too |
| 02:48.23 | Xenguy | streuner: no pun intended |
| 02:48.38 | Seven_Six_Two | the manual says it doesn't matter for single drive though |
| 02:48.47 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: what's on hda ? |
| 02:48.58 | Seven_Six_Two | my os |
| 02:49.13 | Seven_Six_Two | hdb is storage |
| 02:49.13 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: unplug one of your CD drives .. plug in the drive .. see if the errors persist |
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| 02:49.31 | Seven_Six_Two | on the second channel? |
| 02:49.33 | yawg | aeronadix: eth0: flipped to 10baseT } eth0: lost link beat |
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| 02:49.42 | Seven_Six_Two | do you think it could be irq conflict? |
| 02:50.04 | aeronadix | yawg: what wrong with your network? |
| 02:50.07 | Seven_Six_Two | or you mean plug hd into 40 pin cable? |
| 02:50.15 | MrNaz | can linux software raid even DO raid 0+1 ? |
| 02:50.15 | yawg | aeronadix: nothing |
| 02:50.19 | Seven_Six_Two | or cd into controller card? |
| 02:50.23 | yawg | aeronadix: you think it's a problem with my router? |
| 02:50.30 | aeronadix | yawg: do ifconfig, do you have an IP yet? |
| 02:50.41 | yawg | no |
| 02:50.43 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: i think your controller might be broken ? |
| 02:50.48 | MrNaz | i'm trying to set up software raid in the debian installer, but i keep getting funny errors... |
| 02:50.58 | aeronadix | yawg: not sure about your router, do the dhclient and ifconfig again |
| 02:51.20 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: it's always my fault! |
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| 02:51.43 | Seven_Six_Two | maybe I'll try another drive on controller(older one) |
| 02:51.53 | Seven_Six_Two | and new drive in the place of hdb |
| 02:52.06 | aeronadix | yawg: lost link beat sounds like a network problem, is the cable loose? |
| 02:52.57 | yawg | still no ip :( |
| 02:52.58 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: just put the drive on hdd .. see what happens |
| 02:53.12 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: also make sure the cables are seated well |
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| 02:53.21 | Seven_Six_Two | crappin donkeysticks. this makes me upset. thanks for the help abrotman. I thought you couldn't put them on the same cable? |
| 02:53.40 | Seven_Six_Two | don't hd have to be on 80pin? |
| 02:53.46 | yawg | aeronadix: i don't think so |
| 02:53.47 | Azar | !bug#201411 |
| 02:54.02 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: they don't *have* to be afaik .. |
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| 02:54.08 | Azar | hmm how do I ask dpkg? |
| 02:54.38 | abrotman | !dbugs 201411 |
| 02:54.41 | dpkg | DONE:#201411:N[wnpp] ITA: rocks-n-diamonds -- Boulderdash-like game; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:18:16 UTC |
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| 02:55.00 | lockpad | hi just wanna ask what is a good GUI system log viewer in debian |
| 02:55.04 | Azar | :) thanks abrotman |
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| 02:55.54 | Azar | bah not packaged for stable |
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| 02:58.16 | Azar | :( "It's not distributable. Much of the content is like an xmame rom, the |
| 02:58.19 | Azar | upstream author doesn't have a license to use it" |
| 02:58.39 | aeronadix | have you seen arcade vollyball, wtf, hehe |
| 02:59.06 | abrotman | lockpad: roottail ? |
| 02:59.07 | Azar | bah voleyball.. |
| 02:59.21 | Azar | such a pitty, I loved boulderdash |
| 02:59.23 | yawg | this is frustrating |
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| 03:00.16 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: screw it. I'm going to buy a new card. only $35 cdn |
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| 03:00.27 | Seven_Six_Two | and says it's compat w linux |
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| 03:00.38 | Seven_Six_Two | + it supports 4 drives |
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| 03:01.03 | roseljr | hello |
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| 03:01.27 | roseljr | wassup |
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| 03:02.22 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: make sure it's the card and not the drive |
| 03:02.38 | lockpad | tyahis abrotman |
| 03:02.44 | lockpad | thanks abrotman |
| 03:02.55 | roseljr | someone having puter problems |
| 03:02.56 | abrotman | those errors signify that some kind of communication is failing .. drive/cable/controller .. something is busted |
| 03:02.58 | Azar | what is gtk? |
| 03:03.07 | renquanta | How do I find debian mirrors with non-free collections to put in /etc/apt/sources.list? I need to install java-package, but can't find any list by Googling or any indication on the master Debian mirror list |
| 03:03.16 | abrotman | !gtk |
| 03:03.16 | dpkg | i guess gtk is GTK+ (Gimp Tool Kit), a graphical toolkit. You probably want to "apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev", or now at version 2, which may be installed with "apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev". libgtk1.2 is GTK+, libgtk2.0 is GTK2. They are NOT compatible. They are totally separate.. |
| 03:03.25 | jvw | renquanta: all debian mirrors carry non-free too |
| 03:03.37 | Azar | thanks abrotman :) |
| 03:03.44 | jvw | renquanta: just add 'contrib non-free' to the end of your sources.list line |
| 03:03.56 | jvw | renquanta: so that it reads "..... main contrib non-free" |
| 03:04.30 | renquanta | aha! Okay, thanks. :-) |
| 03:04.43 | roseljr | ive tried downloading some they get so far then quit |
| 03:05.14 | roseljr | i have run red hat 9 now i run linspire |
| 03:06.23 | streuner | roseljr: and why do you ask here? |
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| 03:07.18 | roseljr | no reason really just look for thought diffrent people have on isos |
| 03:08.00 | roseljr | which ones they like and how well they run |
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| 03:08.32 | roseljr | hi feet |
| 03:09.15 | roseljr | just tring to get way away from microsort |
| 03:09.16 | Anthro | Okay, I got a block device up with cryptsetup, but pvcreate balks at using it. Running with -vvvv reveals that pvcreate does not recognize a major device of 253. Can anyone help? |
| 03:09.33 | stew | roseljr: if you want to discuss various linux distros, try ##linux, its offtopic here |
| 03:09.46 | freeone3000 | roseljr: Gentoo for speed, debian for maintanability. Linspire for... being like microsoft. |
| 03:10.30 | roseljr | ya it is alot like it but i can find my way around |
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| 03:11.02 | sjr | hi all |
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| 03:11.18 | roseljr | linux 9 isnt suppported any more so i uninstalled it |
| 03:11.28 | roseljr | although i did like it |
| 03:11.29 | TheBest | i need php to work with apache +mysql what i must install php4-pcre ?? |
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| 03:11.39 | nevyn | roseljr: linux 9 hasn't been released |
| 03:11.58 | roseljr | red hat 9 |
| 03:12.06 | TheBest | extension ?php4-extension ?? |
| 03:12.25 | epsilon | TheBest: just php4 |
| 03:12.33 | Anthro | Oh, never mind. It seems that the version of lvm2 from unstable is aware of device-mapper major device numbers. |
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| 03:12.59 | nevyn | roseljr: why are you running away don't you know that doesn't solve anything ;) |
| 03:13.22 | roseljr | the newest one is fedura but i cant get it to download it stops in the middle of it |
| 03:13.36 | epsilon | +libapache-mod-php4 |
| 03:13.40 | TheBest | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l sourcelist ?? where i get ? |
| 03:13.51 | epsilon | eh? |
| 03:14.05 | epsilon | TheBest: you run Sarge, right? |
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| 03:14.27 | roseljr | i just have alot to learn |
| 03:14.28 | TheBest | yes |
| 03:14.44 | TheBest | http://pastebin.com/567979 debconf: (Unable to load Gnome -- is libgnome2-perl installed?) PHP |
| 03:14.45 | epsilon | TheBest: use "apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 php4" |
| 03:15.11 | epsilon | if it's missing and you want it, install it |
| 03:15.51 | TheBest | http://pastebin.com/567981 |
| 03:16.07 | TheBest | debconf: (Unable to load Gnome -- is libgnome2-perl installed?) |
| 03:16.23 | TheBest | maibie is the problem bicose i select gnome and no kde ? |
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| 03:16.50 | amphi | roseljr: the 'intro to linux' book at tldp.org might be of use to you |
| 03:17.06 | epsilon | TheBest: php4 won't run in shell, for that you need "php4-cli" package |
| 03:17.19 | roseljr | ill have to check that out |
| 03:17.27 | epsilon | TheBest: and install the fucking package libgnome2-perl if your box want it |
| 03:17.30 | amphi | roseljr: also http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-roadmap.html |
| 03:17.33 | TheBest | is a vds virtual server |
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| 03:17.48 | freeone3000 | Gnome and kde don't exactly work together... |
| 03:17.59 | roseljr | thanks for the info |
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| 03:18.25 | roseljr | which one is better kde or gnome |
| 03:18.29 | amphi | roseljr: my pleasure - good luck with your auto-defenstration ;) |
| 03:18.34 | epsilon | roseljr: 42 |
| 03:18.36 | amphi | er, defenestration |
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| 03:18.53 | roseljr | yes |
| 03:19.00 | TheBest | a lot off :) Get:62 http://mirrors.lycos-vds.com stable/main libgnome2-perl 1.021-1 [339kB] |
| 03:19.00 | TheBest | Fetched 23.1MB in 7s (3095kB/s) |
| 03:19.20 | sinaduel | I need help, I am trying to alter my angband game. And it says I do not have permission....also, a girl next to me here says "Who wants to touch my breasts" no I did not type that by choice |
| 03:19.30 | abrotman | roseljr: try them boith .. decide |
| 03:19.42 | TheBest | tell me about source.list mirror |
| 03:19.46 | roseljr | ok |
| 03:19.48 | abrotman | TheBest: use apt-setup |
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| 03:20.11 | TheBest | i use source.list from my provider. |
| 03:20.19 | abrotman | use apt-setup |
| 03:20.23 | roseljr | im gonna try to find some courses |
| 03:20.26 | abrotman | i'm gonna keep telling yout that |
| 03:20.35 | epsilon | TheBest: let us know your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:20.50 | TheBest | w8 ..server working :) |
| 03:20.55 | eniacx | Are there any advantages to the Debian package management system over Gentoo's portage? |
| 03:21.02 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 03:21.02 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 03:21.08 | amphi | roseljr: that ibm link looks quite good |
| 03:21.12 | zebalin4 | roseljr: what's better... a blonde or a redhead? |
| 03:21.13 | epsilon | TheBest: is your vserver hosted at lycos? |
| 03:21.27 | sinaduel | Sorry about the prior uselessness, I did get my comupants, but I need help, I am try to add two classes to it, the ninja, and mercenary. |
| 03:21.45 | roseljr | ok red head |
| 03:21.55 | zebalin4 | roseljr: than get kde. gnome is for blondes. |
| 03:22.23 | roseljr | lol |
| 03:22.23 | nimak | of what do you speak, zebalin4??? |
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| 03:22.51 | nimak | kde is most certainly for blondes, while gnome is for the darker-haired |
| 03:23.00 | zebalin4 | nimak: well known scientific study that blondes prefer gnome and redheads do it for kde. look it up. |
| 03:23.15 | TheBest | source list http://pastebin.com/567987 |
| 03:23.45 | roseljr | the screensavers.com also has some info i almost for got about them |
| 03:23.57 | abrotman | TheBest: so what's the problem? |
| 03:24.02 | epsilon | TheBest: security source is missing |
| 03:24.02 | TheBest | abrotman -bash: apt-setup: command not found |
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| 03:24.13 | abrotman | so fucking install it |
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| 03:24.18 | zebalin4 | nimak: it was an easy study to do. There are only seven women in the entire world who use linux!!! |
| 03:24.19 | abrotman | !find bin/apt-setup sarge |
| 03:24.23 | TheBest | epsilon yes by lycos ... |
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| 03:24.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/apt-setup' (1): (/usr/sbin/apt-setup) in base/base-config. |
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| 03:24.34 | abrotman | we told you that .. hours ago |
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| 03:25.08 | epsilon | TheBest: echo 'deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free' >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:25.12 | zebalin4 | abrotman: temper, temper. be nice to the noobs. |
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| 03:25.24 | abrotman | zebalin4: there's a difference between noob . and that |
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| 03:25.31 | roseljr | yes please |
| 03:25.37 | TheBest | epsilon thanks |
| 03:25.47 | nimak | hahaha, zebalin4 |
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| 03:26.00 | TheBest | php -v |
| 03:26.01 | TheBest | PHP 4.3.10-16 (cli) |
| 03:26.09 | epsilon | TheBest: and don't change the source from lycos to somewhere else, your provider is running own debian mirror, so use it |
| 03:26.11 | TheBest | can i upgrade tu php4.4.x ? |
| 03:26.17 | abrotman | no |
| 03:26.27 | zebalin4 | nimak: oh, and of the seven, I've slept with three of them. Just so you know. |
| 03:26.33 | TheBest | epsilon some time the mirrors off lycos is Down :(( |
| 03:26.38 | TheBest | to much costumers :) |
| 03:26.44 | abrotman | !nl |
| 03:26.45 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 03:26.51 | epsilon | TheBest: and once you have security source in sources.list, *run apt-get update, apt-get upgrade* |
| 03:26.55 | abrotman | bah |
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| 03:27.55 | roseljr | whats the best for burning cds and downloading music |
| 03:27.58 | zebalin4 | nimak: I ended marrying the last one. Blonde running kde. |
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| 03:28.04 | epsilon | TheBest: on www.debian.org is a list of mirrors. Keep another source commented in the sources.list, which you can activate if required |
| 03:28.23 | TheBest | epsilon ii thanks :) |
| 03:28.32 | obfucius | roseljr: I use gtk-gnutella to download, and I use xcdroast to burn |
| 03:28.48 | nimak | seriously, what is the ratio between male and female linux users? |
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| 03:29.15 | zebalin4 | nimak: I'd say a million to one. |
| 03:29.17 | epsilon | nimak: the *(-1) of male and female windows users |
| 03:29.17 | roseljr | where would i find gtk at |
| 03:29.27 | obfucius | nimak: 81.9% male; 19,(% female |
| 03:29.35 | roseljr | more males use it |
| 03:29.40 | obfucius | 19.9% |
| 03:29.44 | obfucius | * |
| 03:29.51 | zebalin4 | chicks go for Macs |
| 03:29.55 | roseljr | see i have to help even the score |
| 03:30.03 | abrotman | epsilon: he should still have apt-setup .. something is wrong |
| 03:30.05 | amphi | osx, unix for girls, eh? ;) |
| 03:30.16 | zebalin4 | bsd for girls |
| 03:30.17 | epsilon | abrotman: why? |
| 03:30.24 | p8m | haha, not according to the open group |
| 03:30.25 | obfucius | amphi: lol |
| 03:30.25 | abrotman | epsilon: for starters .. he's not running sarge |
| 03:30.43 | darkcmd | is there a GUI interface for doing a tape packup |
| 03:30.46 | darkcmd | backup |
| 03:30.47 | epsilon | eh? He has stable in sources.list |
| 03:30.54 | abrotman | epsilon: he has a prerelease sarge |
| 03:30.55 | amphi | zebalin4: well, 'weird mach/bsd hybrid for girls' if we're going to be pedantic ;) |
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| 03:31.12 | zebalin4 | darwin for girls? |
| 03:31.27 | pipeline | unix for girls? More like unix for antiques. |
| 03:31.30 | obfucius | amphi: I prefer being pedantic; thank you. |
| 03:32.13 | roseljr | although i know more about puters than some men do |
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| 03:32.55 | zunuk | After using rsync to cp my installation fr one partition to another, i can't log on to both. Msg says /etc/show is missing. I used to backup copy of the file but still cannot lock in. anyone has this experience in using rsync? |
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| 03:33.17 | abrotman | ke6isf: why would you ever use something else? :) |
| 03:33.19 | amphi | roseljr: that is not hard |
| 03:33.24 | obfucius | roseljr: I work in a lumber yard so some of the snails know more about computers...lol |
| 03:33.34 | obfucius | point of interest. |
| 03:33.45 | pipeline | zunuk: rsync was the wrong thing to use ;_; |
| 03:33.51 | pipeline | zunuk: next time, use GNU tar. |
| 03:33.53 | roseljr | tru most of it self taught |
| 03:34.05 | roseljr | they may who knows |
| 03:34.31 | zebalin4 | I'm a programmer and I know a lot of women who know a lot about programming on a Win platform, but few of them know unix too well. |
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| 03:34.44 | roseljr | does make intreasting conversation though |
| 03:34.51 | pipeline | zunuk: The easiest way to use tar for a simple copy is to pipe tar-c-to-stdout into tar-x-from-stdin -- e.g. tar -cpf - victim | (cd target; tar -xvpf -) |
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| 03:35.11 | zunuk | pipeline: too late to learn of this now. i need help to login now. |
| 03:35.18 | freeone3000 | ...May I ask why you would need to use tar instead of cp? |
| 03:35.24 | roseljr | thats really what id like to do is wright programs for linux |
| 03:35.25 | pipeline | zunuk: Yeah, well, you're probably hosed. |
| 03:35.33 | abrotman | freeone3000: tar glues files together |
| 03:35.35 | pipeline | freeone3000: cp doesn't handle device files, symlinks, or hardlinks correctly. |
| 03:35.37 | |valinux|xbm-x| | any one here knows anything about ssh? |
| 03:35.37 | obfucius | zebalin4: very true... maybye 1 of 160. It seems not many people are even vaguely familiar with unix/linux. |
| 03:35.37 | amphi | zebalin4: Verity Stob for one ;) |
| 03:36.02 | obfucius | |valinux|xbm-x|: what do you need to know? |
| 03:36.09 | zunuk | pipeline: when i asked around for a solution here , i was recommended rsync. |
| 03:36.12 | betterworld | pipeline: you could write that pipeline as tar cp victim | tar xvp -C target |
| 03:36.16 | pipeline | zunuk: I wasn't here. |
| 03:36.17 | zebalin4 | I remember a girl having a search problem in unix. I said "Let me show you grep". She got mad and said "I beg your pardon"? |
| 03:36.19 | ke6isf | abrotman: Well, I was biased toward Ecartis. But then yesterday, I saw the light.... |
| 03:36.25 | useruser | |valinux|xbm-x|: me, i know *something* about ssh |
| 03:36.26 | pipeline | betterworld: *shrug* |
| 03:36.30 | eniacx | For a desktop machine, is unstable too extreme? I won't be doing debian specific development on it |
| 03:36.34 | TheBest | Webmin needs to know your MySQL administration login and password in order to manage your database |
| 03:36.38 | obfucius | zebalin4: lol |
| 03:36.40 | pipeline | eniacx: If you have to ask, then yes. :P |
| 03:36.41 | roseljr | not that many people are i get some strage looks when i tell people i run linux |
| 03:36.41 | useruser | eniacx: no, that's what i use |
| 03:36.41 | zunuk | pipeline: that was most unfortunate for me. |
| 03:36.42 | TheBest | how i setup my mysql password ? |
| 03:36.47 | pipeline | zunuk: Yes :( |
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| 03:37.10 | obfucius | TheBest: read the doc's |
| 03:37.13 | abrotman | TheBest: ask #mysql |
| 03:37.15 | zunuk | anyone familiar with rsync is here now? |
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| 03:37.30 | ke6isf | !tell zunuk -about anyone |
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| 03:37.41 | pipeline | zunuk: I think, with enough persuasion and command line arguments, you can use rsync to safely copy an entire filesystem. But it would be non-trivial. The "right thing" to use is tar :| |
| 03:38.04 | pipeline | zunuk: oh, crap, the tar line I fed you won't work, by the way -- add "l" to the creation side of the pipe, so that it doesn't span filesystems. |
| 03:38.07 | zebalin4 | TheBest: may I suggest you use phpMyAdmin instead of webmin? |
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| 03:38.22 | obfucius | lol |
| 03:38.29 | eniacx | the unstable installation always seems broken if I remember I always remember installing stable, and then changing my sources over to unstable after installation |
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| 03:38.41 | |valinux|xbm-x| | looking for some one that really knows about ssh |
| 03:38.51 | Dwonis | I've used rsync to backup a filesystem before. Probably the biggest thing to remember is --numeric-ids |
| 03:38.54 | p8m | stable->testing->unstable is safer |
| 03:39.05 | obfucius | |valinux|xbm-x|: What do you want to know? |
| 03:39.06 | pipeline | |valinux|xbm-x|: Wouldn't it be easier to just ask a question? |
| 03:39.10 | zunuk | pipeline: i am copying a whole installation fr one partition to a bigger one to expand usable space. tar is the right tool? |
| 03:39.11 | pipeline | p8m: It shouldn't matter. |
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| 03:39.15 | pipeline | zunuk: Yes. |
| 03:39.24 | useruser | |valinux|xbm-x|: /j #ssh and wait for someone else to join |
| 03:39.25 | Dwonis | |valinux|xbm-x|: ssh isn't |
| 03:39.25 | amphi | zunuk: cp -a would do |
| 03:39.30 | chorizote69 | anyone can tell me why the evdev module wont work? |
| 03:39.32 | pipeline | zunuk: The right way to do it is copy it one filesystem at a time using tar. |
| 03:39.47 | pipeline | amphi: No, it wouldn't. |
| 03:40.00 | pipeline | amphi: cp will screw up on device files and a few other unusual corner cases. |
| 03:40.11 | Dwonis | pipeline: not with -a |
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| 03:40.12 | Wyzard | pipeline: "cp -a" won't |
| 03:40.30 | zebalin4 | I've got a live linux CD. I'd like to make a copy for a friend. Can this be done from the CD... maybe via a dd command? Or do I have to re-down. the iso and burn? |
| 03:40.32 | obfucius | amphi: Tar does work well. |
| 03:40.32 | pipeline | Wyzard, Dwonis : Really? Must be a coreutils-specific thing. |
| 03:40.33 | zunuk | amphi, 'cp -a' would be used one dir after another, right? |
| 03:40.35 | shogunx | |valinux|xbm-x| i unequivicably really know about ssh |
| 03:40.40 | Dwonis | pipeline: but you do have to watch that you don't try to copy /proc |
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| 03:41.03 | Dwonis | pipeline: -a, --archive same as -dpR |
| 03:41.04 | pipeline | Dwonis: That's what the -l switch is for on tar :P |
| 03:41.06 | useruser | zebalin4: you mean running linux on the cd to copy the cd? should be ok if you have two cd drives |
| 03:41.09 | Wyzard | What I would do is "mount --bind / /tmp/rootfs" and then use /tmp/rootfs as the source of your copy operation |
| 03:41.14 | pipeline | Dwonis: -dpR doesn't imply anything about "special" file types. |
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| 03:41.27 | Wyzard | That way you "see" only the actual root filesystem, and not any other filesystems that might be mounted on places like /proc and /dev |
| 03:41.27 | pipeline | Dwonis: It just preserves links. And doesn't it still have the numeric permissions problem? |
| 03:41.30 | HugLeo | hey |
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| 03:41.45 | Dwonis | pipeline: What numeric permissions problem? |
| 03:41.55 | pipeline | Dwonis: If the host and target filesystems don't share a passwd file...? |
| 03:42.03 | Dwonis | pipeline: cp?? |
| 03:42.04 | Wyzard | Dwonis: I think '-R' (as opposed to '-r') means to copy device files correctly |
| 03:42.19 | zunuk | how do i save up a chat screen or a whole session? |
| 03:42.22 | zebalin4 | useruser: only have one cd drive. I seem to remember that there is a 'dd' command that will copy a live bootable cd. Maybe it can be done with k3b? I hate to spend time to re-down llarge iso. |
| 03:42.22 | pipeline | Wyzard: ohhhh |
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| 03:42.36 | Dwonis | Wyzard: Here, it just says that -R is the same as -r |
| 03:42.40 | zunuk | with xchat. |
| 03:42.49 | pipeline | Wyzard: Wait... on FreeBSD, -R means something different from -r. With GNU coreutils, it doesn't. |
| 03:43.13 | |valinux|xbm-x| | any one know any program that brute force ssh i need to learn more about how ppl attack so i can def my self |
| 03:43.17 | Wyzard | pipeline: hmm... weird; I'm pretty sure it used to say that |
| 03:43.20 | useruser | zebalin4: if you just want an iso on your hard disk, then yes you can do it with dd. i don't know the command off the top of my head, maybe just dd /dev/cdrom > image.iso |
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| 03:43.51 | useruser | zebalin4: but burning the iso to a disk is difficult if your OS is running off your only cd drive :) |
| 03:43.51 | abrotman | doesn't that sound like a troll |
| 03:43.58 | abrotman | |valinux|xbm-x|: ask google |
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| 03:44.04 | Dwonis | Wyzard, pipeline: cp -r copies /dev/null properly for me |
| 03:44.04 | zebalin4 | useruser: yeah, I think the methodology is to go vrom CD to iso and then burn that. |
| 03:44.12 | |valinux|xbm-x| | google dont know shit |
| 03:44.18 | abrotman | then go ask ##linux |
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| 03:44.26 | abrotman | or ask the ssh mailing list |
| 03:44.33 | |valinux|xbm-x| | k |
| 03:44.36 | Dwonis | Wyzard, pipeline: And the system I'm using right now was moved from a laptop with rsync |
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| 03:44.45 | dondelelcaro | |valinux|xbm-x|: install fail2ban if you want to protect yourself. |
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| 03:44.54 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i think he wanted the program |
| 03:45.18 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I know, but I'm trying to avoid reaching for /abr |
| 03:45.22 | nprice | how can I install the basic gnome WITHOUT gnomemeeting and all the other garbage? |
| 03:45.23 | |valinux|xbm-x| | or on windows do cmd del %systemroot% for cleaning shit on your pc |
| 03:45.28 | zebalin4 | useruser: dd will read the CD, create an iso file for me on the hd, and I can burn that with k3b. I'll research 'dd' as I think it will do it with a few arcane parms. |
| 03:45.32 | Dwonis | Wyzard, pipeline: "rsync -aSHx --numeric-ids" should do it |
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| 03:45.35 | buu | What was the program that did basic apt/sources.list set up? I thought it was apt-setup or some such.. |
| 03:45.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:45.51 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: well .. you resisted temptation :) |
| 03:46.05 | nprice | anybody know? |
| 03:46.05 | darkcmd | what did he do |
| 03:46.08 | nprice | hehe |
| 03:46.12 | Dwonis | Wyzard, pipeline: and, of course, -a in rsync is: -a, --archive archive mode; same as -rlptgoD (no -H) |
| 03:46.18 | abrotman | darkcmd: just told someone how to destroy a windows installation in one command |
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| 03:46.26 | abrotman | in a smartass way |
| 03:46.29 | eniacx | Are there any advantages to debian's package management over Gentoos? |
| 03:46.33 | roseljr | sometimes we have to do that |
| 03:46.35 | abrotman | after he asked for the program to brute force ssh |
| 03:46.43 | abrotman | eniacx: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 03:46.44 | darkcmd | ah... kinda like people telling new linux users rm -rf / ? |
| 03:46.54 | darkcmd | I hate people that do stuff like that |
| 03:47.05 | abrotman | darkcmd: something like that |
| 03:47.06 | Dwonis | !smite abrotman |
| 03:47.08 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: but I like temptation. Giving into it is the best part... |
| 03:47.17 | darkcmd | ^^ Do not run that command I posted.... it will trash your install if you are root |
| 03:47.26 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: depends on who is doing the tempting :) |
| 03:47.26 | raf256 | !ubuntusmite abrotman |
| 03:47.54 | Dwonis | "ubuntusmite"... nice! |
| 03:48.11 | raf256 | !xorgsmite Dwonis |
| 03:48.11 | nprice | what debian package would be "gnome lite" with only the desktop installed and without gnomemeeting or anything? |
| 03:48.16 | abrotman | yay .. pdo.d.n isn't all wonky |
| 03:48.22 | abrotman | !tell nprice about install gnome |
| 03:48.22 | zebalin4 | abrotman: would cmd del.... work on a windows system. Haven't run win for about 4 years. |
| 03:48.35 | dondelelcaro | nprice: just install the parts of gnome that you want, and don't install those that you don't. |
| 03:48.37 | Dwonis | !gnomesmite nprice |
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| 03:48.58 | abrotman | zebalin4: yes .. kind of .. it would whine the directory isn't empty .. but may first delete the files there before trying to remove the dir .. it's all iffy .. but not anything i would try |
| 03:48.58 | nprice | gnome core is what i needed |
| 03:48.59 | nprice | sweet |
| 03:49.02 | buu | dondelelcaro: So about that apt setup program.. |
| 03:49.03 | nprice | thanks |
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| 03:49.39 | abrotman | zebalin4: afaik .. also would only work on NT4/2k/XP/2k3 .. 9x systems would be ok i think |
| 03:49.39 | dondelelcaro | buu: it was in base-config, which is no longer being distributed. |
| 03:49.46 | zebalin4 | abrotman: is Vista going to be a Linux-killer? |
| 03:49.49 | abrotman | !mourn apt-setup |
| 03:49.53 | dondelelcaro | buu: it'll probably be replaced eventually, but I haven't been keeping up with that |
| 03:50.00 | buu | dondelelcaro: Bummer. Where else might |
| 03:50.07 | eniacx | None of the sites listed really give advantages for the apt system over portage |
| 03:50.07 | buu | dondelelcaro: I find the exact magic line for mirrors? |
| 03:50.20 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 03:50.20 | abrotman | eniacx: what do you like about portage? |
| 03:50.20 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 03:50.35 | zebalin4 | portage ==gentoo?? |
| 03:50.38 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:50.55 | buu | Well, that seems to be urls.. |
| 03:50.59 | nyx | good n8t. thanks for having answered! |
| 03:51.04 | zebalin4 | gentoo==100 year compile? |
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| 03:51.14 | abrotman | on a 386 .. yes |
| 03:51.19 | Dwonis | abrotman: dpkg is faster than portage |
| 03:51.37 | Dwonis | which, given dpkg's slowness, is actually quite amazing |
| 03:51.37 | zebalin4 | lots of folks really seem to like gentoo. I don't get it. |
| 03:51.42 | abrotman | Dwonis: i asked eniacx .. i prefer debian .. |
| 03:51.43 | epsilon | darkcmd: http://www.jengajam.com/content/geek-car.jpg |
| 03:51.45 | roseljr | you sure know youre stuff abrotman |
| 03:51.55 | abrotman | roseljr: don't tell anyone else |
| 03:52.02 | Dwonis | abrotman: ah, yes. sorry. |
| 03:52.21 | zebalin4 | abrotman is the man (beep) |
| 03:52.21 | roseljr | ok |
| 03:52.31 | abrotman | Dwonis: i would hope he has a better argument than speed of one or the other |
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| 03:52.49 | abrotman | zebalin4: it was much less beeping in my office today .. lots of censoring yesterday |
| 03:52.58 | roseljr | how long have you ran linux |
| 03:53.07 | abrotman | a few days |
| 03:53.18 | zebalin4 | abrotman: you get your server(s) back up? |
| 03:53.27 | zebalin4 | ten minutes |
| 03:53.32 | abrotman | zebalin4: it has no visual feedback .. and won't beep on POST |
| 03:53.43 | roseljr | quick learner |
| 03:53.45 | abrotman | zebalin4: i suspect the mobo went POP |
| 03:53.48 | darkcmd | epsilon, lol |
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| 03:53.59 | abrotman | roseljr: a while ... a long while |
| 03:54.13 | zebalin4 | abrotman: you should get a beep at conclusion of the memcheck at boot. |
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| 03:54.36 | roseljr | smart man |
| 03:54.46 | zebalin4 | roseljr: abrotman helped invent linux... along with al gore. |
| 03:54.49 | abrotman | zebalin4: that's what i just said .. i don't think it's even getting that far .. and the monitor output is blown .. and i think the management console is some wacky nonstandard protocol |
| 03:55.17 | roseljr | i could learn a few tricks of the trade |
| 03:55.25 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 03:55.25 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (i.e. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 03:55.39 | epsilon | .oO (win 2k can't handle utf-8 filename via samba?) |
| 03:55.47 | beardy | abrotman: stand up |
| 03:55.55 | abrotman | beardy: i'm a guy .. i can do that |
| 03:56.00 | Dwonis | abrotman: is your computer about to explode or something? |
| 03:56.05 | abrotman | epsilon: does win2k handle utf8 at all ? |
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| 03:57.07 | abrotman | Dwonis: i think the mobo/VRM took a poop |
| 03:57.08 | beardy | !tell renewip -about root |
| 03:57.11 | abrotman | !tell renewip about root |
| 03:57.22 | beardy | abrotman: let apt do it too |
| 03:57.31 | abrotman | beardy: apt doesn't anymore |
| 03:57.45 | abrotman | neither does dpkg afaik |
| 03:57.51 | beardy | abrotman: he still has the factoid hasn't he? |
| 03:57.54 | Dwonis | beardy, abrotman: "!tell renewip -about root"... eh? |
| 03:58.03 | beardy | abrotman: I meant, tell him twice. |
| 03:58.03 | abrotman | beardy: yes |
| 03:58.09 | abrotman | beardy: we did |
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| 03:58.39 | abrotman | beardy: the bot viewed what we did as two different commands |
| 03:58.41 | beardy | abrotman: does he only whine when calling the factoid twice in a few seconds in channel? |
| 03:58.41 | Dwonis | no I was asking why... oh, nevermind |
| 03:58.41 | epsilon | abrotman: inside windows, I can name files in any installed language, from latin alphabet, greek alphabet up to asian letters |
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| 03:59.18 | beardy | abrotman: ah |
| 04:00.31 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: you can do that in most filesystems. |
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| 04:00.42 | abrotman | epsilon: a limitation of samba perhaps ? |
| 04:00.46 | abrotman | epsilon: or cifs ? |
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| 04:01.14 | epsilon | dondelelcaro: I know, just having some problems via samba... nm |
| 04:01.33 | abrotman | i still get pissed about spaces in filenames in my office .. so i'm probably not the one to ask about utf8 in filenames :) |
| 04:01.54 | metaperl | sweet .. firefox was occupying 50% of my memory |
| 04:01.54 | epsilon | .oO (\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ ) |
| 04:02.05 | dondelelcaro | I actually prefer utf8 to spaces, myself... |
| 04:02.11 | abrotman | metaperl: that's a feature |
| 04:02.20 | metaperl | oh? |
| 04:02.33 | Dwonis | abrotman: *or* you could write your shell scripts so that spaces don't hose them... |
| 04:02.38 | abrotman | no . i meant .. i would rather they stick to alphanum .. no spaces or punctuation otherwise |
| 04:02.56 | epsilon | and strict 8:3 |
| 04:03.00 | amphi | metaperl: flushes that bloated disk cache ;) |
| 04:03.01 | dadexter | metaperl, FF caches alot of stuff right in memory |
| 04:03.06 | abrotman | Dwonis: no .. they name shit like "This File will be really important in a few months and I will use it then.doc" |
| 04:03.19 | metaperl | oh, it was getting sluggish so I killed it |
| 04:03.23 | Kernel_core | hi all ... asterisk-h323 depends on libopenh323-1.18.0 but this library doesn't exist !!!!!! |
| 04:03.32 | Dwonis | abrotman: So what? You just type "This<TAB>" anyway |
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| 04:03.48 | dadexter | metaperl, for each tab you have opened, it caches the last 5 sessions (if you hit back) fully rendered |
| 04:03.50 | abrotman | Dwonis: yes .. i'm aware of that .. doesn't mean i have to like it :) |
| 04:03.51 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: clearly you don't use globs much |
| 04:04.08 | metaperl | o i c |
| 04:04.29 | Dwonis | abrotman: It's still better than Untitled1.doc...\ |
| 04:04.32 | abrotman | Dwonis: there can be problems .. they give me PDF documents for the website named like that .. all kinds of stupid crap |
| 04:04.39 | abrotman | Dwonis: studly caps! |
| 04:04.40 | dondelelcaro | being unable to go for a in *; ...; is kind of anoying. [granted, you can always use xargs, but when your xargs command gets more than 3 lines long, it starts to suck. |
| 04:04.49 | stoned | I am now successfully compare debian to astronomy |
| 04:04.50 | dadexter | abrotman, my windows based co-workers laugh at me because I put _'s instead of spaces in my long filenames |
| 04:04.51 | stoned | its wicked |
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| 04:05.17 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: for a in * ; do ls "$a" ; done |
| 04:05.18 | amphi | stoned: you use stellarium? |
| 04:05.25 | abrotman | dadexter: people do dumb shit with file names .. just because you can .. doesn't mean you should |
| 04:05.37 | roseljr | talk at yall later gotta go to bed |
| 04:05.53 | roseljr | gotta work tomarrow |
| 04:05.53 | stoned | amphi, no, the politics/production/development of debian is very similar to how astronomical bodies opearate, in a sense, rather from the physical to the metaphysical and back |
| 04:05.57 | stoned | its quite interesting |
| 04:06.08 | dadexter | abrotman, except for mp3 files, I prefer not to use spaces |
| 04:06.21 | abrotman | iwishmyspacebarwouldjustdisappear |
| 04:06.25 | dadexter | lol |
| 04:06.37 | abrotman | just imagine the emails .. |
| 04:06.44 | Dwonis | abrotman: tHENyOUcOULDuSEcAPSLOCKiNSTEAD |
| 04:06.51 | abrotman | though .. i'm sure some would prefer my '.' to disappear |
| 04:07.09 | Dwonis | \ shouldn't be allowed when people are making webpages |
| 04:07.19 | Dwonis | HTTP:\\www.google.com |
| 04:07.24 | user-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.32 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.32 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: right, but then you have to always be sure that your variables are properly encapsulated, etc. |
| 04:07.37 | stoned | ehehe, anyway |
| 04:07.49 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: it just adds complexity to what is a simple problem without spaces... |
| 04:07.50 | web-kanotix-924 | ^^ |
| 04:07.54 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: which you should be doing anyway |
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| 04:08.18 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: in shell scripts, sure... but when I'm writing one liners to deal with moving files on my filesystem? Hardly. |
| 04:08.23 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: make no mistake. *I* avoid spaces in most of my filenames, because they're harder to type, but if others use them, I hardly see a problem. |
| 04:08.49 | stoned | Dwonis, spaces are evil. _ is god |
| 04:08.51 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: oh, others can use whatever they want... I just don't let files with those names survive long in my filesystem |
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| 04:12.18 | abrotman | i wonder how mad they would be if i wrote a script to rename all the files on the servers to remove spaces ... |
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| 04:12.58 | \amethyst | if it's http, you could use rewrite rules and they'd never know the difference |
| 04:13.05 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: find . -type f -print0 |xargs -0 rename 's/[\s_-]+/_/g'; ... |
| 04:13.27 | abrotman | oh .. i didn't know you could plug a regex into rename |
| 04:13.50 | dondelelcaro | Debian's rename is perl; it's the non-sucky rename. |
| 04:13.50 | Dwonis | I didn't know rename was a command... |
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| 04:13.55 | \amethyst | renaming hyphens is a bit too much |
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| 04:14.24 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: that still doesn't answer "how mad they would be" :) |
| 04:14.33 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: use it and you'll know! ;-) |
| 04:14.36 | liltank | does any one know how to back up a partition? |
| 04:14.52 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: or they might not notice .. which is entirely possible |
| 04:14.54 | Dwonis | !renice 10 abrotman |
| 04:15.02 | liltank | do i just copy the directory |
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| 04:15.09 | Dwonis | abrotman is too mean |
| 04:15.22 | abrotman | Dwonis: they think so some days too |
| 04:15.52 | tnks | I was hoping to implement a control script to emulate some battery thresholding (SMAPI). At first I thought ACPI events would work, but they are far too infrequent. |
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| 04:17.05 | abrotman | tnks: you forgot to ask a question :) |
| 04:17.07 | dondelelcaro | liltank: there are a ton of different ways to do that. See backupninja, or duplicity, or rdiff-backup, etc. |
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| 04:17.24 | dondelelcaro | litage: alternatively, just use tar if this is a one itme thing. |
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| 04:17.48 | tnks | Then I remembered that I could use the cron daemon. But I realized that there are stand-alone daemons people make for jobs that cron can probably handle. How frequent of an event can cron handle? |
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| 04:18.08 | abrotman | 1 minute |
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| 04:18.24 | zunuk | is there an enterprise-version of Debian? |
| 04:18.38 | abrotman | they regular version is the enterprise-version |
| 04:18.42 | abrotman | the regular |
| 04:18.48 | tnks | abrotman: actually, I just realized. that's a limitation of the crontab file too, right/ |
| 04:18.51 | abrotman | zunuk: what do you mean by "enterprise"? |
| 04:18.59 | abrotman | tnks: there is ? |
| 04:19.12 | zunuk | can be used to run and enterprise info system. |
| 04:19.24 | dondelelcaro | tnks: how often do you want this thing triggered/ |
| 04:19.27 | abrotman | wtf is an enterprise info system ? |
| 04:19.29 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Big old starship. Crew can't seem to get the hang of steering around hols in space/time. You know. That can of thing. |
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| 04:19.43 | dondelelcaro | tnks: if you're talking about more frequent than 1 minute, you probably want a daemon that polls every now and then... |
| 04:19.47 | abrotman | can of tin or kind of thing ? |
| 04:19.49 | dondelelcaro | COMPUTER? COMPUTER? |
| 04:20.14 | abrotman | get them to fix p.d.o |
| 04:20.22 | zunuk | an enterprise requires an info system to handle all its activities - from staff to sales to purchase to billing etc. |
| 04:20.26 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: p.d.o is fine. It's the code that runs p.d.o is crap. |
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| 04:20.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it's written in perl isn't it? :) |
| 04:21.04 | sivana | does grub have a fallback option when upgrading kernels? ie: I build a new kernel, it screws up, so I just reboot the machine and it loads the previous one? |
| 04:21.20 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: amongst other things; but it's more a case where the search mechanisms were brute force rather than actually being designed |
| 04:21.29 | abrotman | zunuk: i'm still confused what you're looking for |
| 04:21.31 | dondelelcaro | sivana: you can set it up, but it's not done by default. |
| 04:21.40 | tkup|bed | what's a good complete sendmail book? |
| 04:21.45 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i hear they let cron jobs run for months too :) |
| 04:22.05 | abrotman | tkup|bed: ask #sendmail .. they'd probably be able to recommend some |
| 04:22.08 | sivana | dondelelcaro: is it as simple as specifying a default and fallback? |
| 04:22.09 | ke6isf | I just installed Mailman, and have decided that I don't want the "Create Mailing List" web page accessible to just anybody. In fact, I don't want it accessible AT ALL to the world. I suppose I can just 'chmod a-r' the dir, but is there a more "correct" way to do this? |
| 04:22.30 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: nah, it just was coliding into the next run of the cronjob |
| 04:22.36 | abrotman | ke6isf: probaly in the site config .. |
| 04:22.39 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:23.02 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: most Debian servers are basically running code that just performs well enough to do the job... |
| 04:23.15 | dondelelcaro | (no one bothers to fix it until it breaks) |
| 04:23.16 | abrotman | kludging rules! |
| 04:23.45 | zebalin4 | Is this all I need to set the clock? /usr/sbin/ntpdate pool.ntp.org>/dev/null |
| 04:23.49 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: or just "throw more machine at the problem" since that's usually cheaper than spending more time working on it |
| 04:23.51 | zebalin4 | seems to work ok |
| 04:23.53 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 04:23.53 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 04:24.06 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: depends whose time it is |
| 04:24.27 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: well, the people who are actually working on the problem/capable of fixing the issues... |
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| 04:24.35 | zebalin4 | dondelelcaro: thanks. You folks have a bot for everything!! |
| 04:24.47 | zunuk | abrotman, say, i run a business of 5 staff, selling wares thro the net. i need to set up a system to do online sells, handling the transactions. i also need an accounting system to handle payment of the staff and also that at the end of the year i can file a tax return. and more.. |
| 04:24.51 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: they could make it a NM task :) |
| 04:25.03 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: we make fixing RC bugs an NM task already... |
| 04:25.10 | abrotman | zunuk: ok .. does any linux distro do that ? |
| 04:25.15 | zebalin4 | I like to set the clock in cron.daily |
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| 04:25.21 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: that's a big RC bug! |
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| 04:25.32 | zebalin4 | I use above line in a shell script. |
| 04:25.37 | dondelelcaro | zebalin4: that tends to make the clock jump, unfortunatly... |
| 04:25.38 | zunuk | abrotman, i don't know, i am interested to know if debian can do it. |
| 04:25.54 | dondelelcaro | zebalin4: that's why I suggested using ntp-server, which will keep your clock on time. |
| 04:25.56 | Dwonis | zunuk: It sounds more like you need an IT consultant who can look at your particular needs and set you up. |
| 04:26.12 | abrotman | zunuk: with one package .. not that i'm aware .. but you asked for an enterprise version ... but you're actually looking for a SBS solution |
| 04:26.14 | zebalin4 | dondelelcaro: I'll have to look into ntp-server |
| 04:26.41 | zebalin4 | dondelelcaro: bot says 'ntpdate' and that's what I have. |
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| 04:26.49 | zunuk | abrotman, an enterprise version would provide the basic framework |
| 04:26.55 | dondelelcaro | zebalin4: it says both |
| 04:26.55 | zebalin4 | dondelelcaro: will it do a lot of damage to run it once a day? |
| 04:27.10 | zunuk | of course, i need application packages on top of that. |
| 04:27.18 | zebalin4 | dondelelcaro: ntp-simple ? Is that ntp-server? |
| 04:27.30 | dondelelcaro | zebalin4: yes; ntp-simple... |
| 04:27.40 | abrotman | zunuk: there are many frameworks in debian .. just asking for one isn't totally sufficient .. perhaps you should stop at freshmeat.net .. try to find apps you think will work and then see if those are in debian |
| 04:27.43 | zebalin4 | dondelelcaro: is that a package? |
| 04:27.44 | dondelelcaro | zebalin4: (it depends on ntp-server) |
| 04:27.48 | zebalin4 | !ntp-simple |
| 04:27.56 | dondelelcaro | !+info ntp-simple |
| 04:28.01 | dpkg | ntp-simple: (Network Time Protocol: daemon for simple systems), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.2.0a+stable-8.1 (sid), Packaged size: 119 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 04:28.14 | abrotman | amphi: pyramid scheme ? |
| 04:28.19 | zunuk | abrotman, u know nuts. |
| 04:28.21 | amphi | abrotman: heh |
| 04:28.28 | dondelelcaro | zunuk: as far as being an OS that you could build that sort of thing on, there's none better. As far as OTS software to do that, dunno. |
| 04:28.29 | abrotman | i know nuts? |
| 04:28.34 | zebalin4 | dondelelcaro: I assume this is a daemon that hits some server every so often? |
| 04:28.39 | dondelelcaro | zebalin4: right |
| 04:28.51 | abrotman | ok .. i don't think i handled that badly .. wtf |
| 04:28.53 | zebalin4 | dondelelcaro: ok, I'll research it and check it out. |
| 04:29.05 | Firefishe | anyone here use a j2me equipped mobile phone with an http irc proxy running on debian? |
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| 04:29.18 | Dwonis | abrotman: No, it's a question. *Do* you know nuts... Like cashews and pecans... |
| 04:29.39 | Dwonis | although I think I remember reading somewhere that cashews aren't nuts |
| 04:29.40 | abrotman | really .. go to freshmeat .. find what you need .. find a distro that provides it |
| 04:30.08 | abrotman | i don't know any company that sells a server solution that will be a total replacement POS/payroll system .. but whatever |
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| 04:30.15 | abrotman | at least not on linux for free |
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| 04:31.59 | Dwonis | Hi abrotman! |
| 04:32.04 | abrotman | no .. i'm leaving :) |
| 04:32.09 | Dwonis | Bye abrotman! |
| 04:32.49 | stew | Dwonis: cashews are nuts. you are probably thinking of peanuts which aren't nuts |
| 04:33.01 | Dwonis | stew: yeah, probably |
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| 04:35.01 | dondelelcaro | stew: they're seeds too, not nuts. |
| 04:35.52 | dondelelcaro | (well, if we're going by the Botanical definition of nuts, as opposed to what people who eat nuts call them) |
| 04:36.23 | stew | since i said that peanuts aren't nuts, i'm in the former category |
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| 04:36.34 | zanzibar | startkeylogger |
| 04:36.42 | zanzibar | ... |
| 04:36.43 | zanzibar | darn. |
| 04:36.45 | zanzibar | =P |
| 04:36.56 | ke6isf | Doh! |
| 04:36.56 | startkeylogger | zanzibar: what?! |
| 04:37.11 | zanzibar | I was expecting a whole bunch of peer disconnects |
| 04:37.13 | zanzibar | =) |
| 04:37.56 | Gnea | hrm |
| 04:37.56 | Terat0gen | oh well |
| 04:38.03 | stew | Terat0gen: do you have anything debian related? |
| 04:38.13 | startkeylogger | Terat0gen: iptables isn't affected by that issue |
| 04:38.16 | Gnea | Terat0gen: why would there be a bunch of peer disconnects? |
| 04:38.21 | dondelelcaro | it appears that that reference went over well... clearly no John Bruner fans here... |
| 04:38.23 | Terat0gen | yes, what's the diff between control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz in a .deb? |
| 04:38.32 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: who? :) |
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| 04:38.58 | Gnea | Terat0gen: have you looked at the contents? |
| 04:39.00 | startkeylogger | one's the software tarball, the other are the setup/takedown/maintain scripts |
| 04:39.12 | Terat0gen | data.tar.gz is the software tarball? |
| 04:39.18 | Gnea | basically |
| 04:39.23 | Terat0gen | ah, thanks. |
| 04:39.28 | Dwonis | re startkeylogger: http://www.hm2k.org/news/1137968795.html |
| 04:39.42 | startkeylogger | Terat0gen: don't trouble yourself to extract it. :P |
| 04:39.54 | Terat0gen | oh I am not extracting it |
| 04:39.59 | Terat0gen | I just want to get the table of contents |
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| 04:40.05 | Terat0gen | the file names in data.tar.gz |
| 04:40.07 | Dwonis | Terat0gen: tar t |
| 04:40.11 | Terat0gen | for my own nefarious purporses |
| 04:40.16 | Terat0gen | tar --list -zt actually |
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| 04:40.31 | dondelelcaro | Terat0gen: so dpkg-deb -c foo.deb; |
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| 04:41.08 | brininiid | one pentium 233mmx is capable to twirl rmvb video 600x400 resolution? |
| 04:41.21 | wotnarg | Is there a script floating around to enter passwords to programs automatically? redirecting stdin doesn't work. (I know its bad for security :p) |
| 04:41.31 | Terat0gen | I am running netbsd on a pentium 233 right now |
| 04:41.35 | Terat0gen | on this box |
| 04:41.45 | Terat0gen | with KDE at 1024x768 I do believe |
| 04:41.47 | dondelelcaro | wotnarg: what in the world are you trying to automate? |
| 04:41.55 | Dwonis | wotnarg: have a look at expect |
| 04:42.07 | brininiid | Terat0gen you can run video? |
| 04:42.07 | \amethyst | wotnarg: expect |
| 04:42.14 | Xenguy | yeah but bsd sucks... |
| 04:42.19 | wotnarg | Thanks all. |
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| 04:42.33 | dondelelcaro | expect works, but for most programs, there are far better methods of automation... |
| 04:42.34 | wotnarg | I knew it was around, I just couldn't remember its name |
| 04:42.35 | Dwonis | !bsdsmite Xenguy |
| 04:42.44 | Xenguy | mwuhahaha |
| 04:42.49 | Terat0gen | running X |
| 04:42.51 | Dwonis | !bitchxsmite Xenguy |
| 04:42.55 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: s/most/most halfway decent/ |
| 04:42.56 | wotnarg | dondelelcaro: I'm setting up a cron job, and theres no flag on the program to give a password. |
| 04:42.58 | Terat0gen | it's actually quite snappy |
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| 04:43.04 | Xenguy | !lart Dwonis |
| 04:43.05 | dondelelcaro | wotnarg: what program are you using? |
| 04:43.09 | Dwonis | damn |
| 04:43.14 | wotnarg | dondelelcaro: scp :P |
| 04:43.18 | \amethyst | err |
| 04:43.23 | SimonRaven | ssh key |
| 04:43.23 | \amethyst | yes, you do |
| 04:43.30 | dondelelcaro | wotnarg: use an ssh key, don't use expect. |
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| 04:43.39 | Dwonis | wotnarg: I assume you can't use an ssh key? |
| 04:43.47 | wotnarg | yea, ssh can't be used easily. |
| 04:43.50 | wotnarg | key* |
| 04:43.50 | \amethyst | wotnarg: ssh-keygen then put the public key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote machine |
| 04:43.54 | \amethyst | hm |
| 04:43.54 | \amethyst | ah |
| 04:44.06 | dondelelcaro | !tell wotnarg -about ssh without password |
| 04:44.19 | wotnarg | I know how to do it, but its basicly limited to password only. |
| 04:44.25 | dondelelcaro | wotnarg: why? |
| 04:44.31 | Dwonis | \amethyst: There are certain Windows ssh servers that don't have support for ssh keys |
| 04:44.41 | Dwonis | \amethyst: Or, they require the ssh key AND a password (I've seen this) |
| 04:44.52 | dondelelcaro | well, it's not unusual for ssh keys to require passwords... |
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| 04:45.03 | dondelelcaro | (or that unususual) |
| 04:45.04 | wotnarg | dondelelcaro: because the box owner doesn't really know what he's doing :p Also, my ssh key requires a password. |
| 04:45.10 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: No, you need the ssh key, and the Windows login password |
| 04:45.15 | \amethyst | if the key requires a passphrase, you can use SSH_ASKPASS |
| 04:45.33 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: I'm not talking about a passphrase (which is only for local decryption of the key) |
| 04:45.35 | dondelelcaro | wotnarg: you can add a special key for your account that doesn't require a passphrase. |
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| 04:45.43 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: could be; I don't use windows. |
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| 04:45.52 | Ts0p | am back |
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| 04:46.29 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: I think it was basically because of the way Windows uses password authentication for its internal APIs, thus hosing non-password-based auth mechanisms |
| 04:46.34 | dondelelcaro | wotnarg: if you've got a .ssh/authorized_keys, you're already there. |
| 04:46.43 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: Apparently this is a side-effect of the "feature" of not having a root user... |
| 04:47.22 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: that seems rather strange, as I thought that the System user could become any other user... but then again, I've been willfully ignoring windows architecture for quite some time now... |
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| 04:47.29 | wotnarg | dondelelcaro: bah, here, I try to do it the easy way, and you want some effort! :P |
| 04:47.44 | dondelelcaro | wotnarg: uh... this is the easy way. |
| 04:48.03 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: As always with Windows, everything is possible, but it's never simple, so it just wasn't implemented in this server. |
| 04:49.07 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: In any case, I'm tired of talking about Windows in #debian, so I'm done now. |
| 04:49.11 | stoned | I am using audacity to record. I can hear myself when I speak through the microphone, but when I record, it doesn't record any sound. Sound works perfectly on the system though. Volume levels are good for input/output I am quite sure its configured properly. how can I start troubleshooting? I have tried this both with arts on, and arts off, does audacity require full access the the sound? |
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| 04:49.49 | Dwonis | eh? |
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| 04:49.52 | NoRC` | quick question, i need a linux app to extract the nTH frame from a AVI/MPG/MOV file... any suggestions? |
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| 04:49.55 | stew | i thought windows used a kerberos variant for all of its internals |
| 04:50.05 | NoRC` | So that i can go up thumbnails for videos |
| 04:50.13 | Dwonis | stew: yeah, that's the problem. There's no easy way to just setuid() |
| 04:50.30 | dondelelcaro | NoRC`: mplayer may be able to do that, although I've never tried. |
| 04:50.34 | stew | stoned: there is a drop down in the upper right of the toolbar which selects which input you record |
| 04:50.57 | stoned | stew, it says mic |
| 04:51.02 | stew | Dwonis: then it wouldn't be password based but token based as i understand it |
| 04:51.11 | stew | stoned: do you have more than one audio card? |
| 04:51.19 | stoned | stew, no I do not |
| 04:51.22 | Dwonis | stew: Sorry, I was oversimplifying it. It's been a few years. |
| 04:51.44 | NoRC` | dondelelcaro, do u know if its command line? |
| 04:51.55 | Dwonis | stew: The point was that simply switching users isn't easy without a password. Or rather, that's my explanation of why this server didn't have proper ssh auth support. |
| 04:52.01 | dondelelcaro | NoRC`: yes. |
| 04:52.27 | Dwonis | stew: This was W2K. It might be better now. |
| 04:53.58 | _unstable | NoRC`: try to /join #mplayer |
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| 04:55.44 | stoned | I am using kde. In the past audacity required that I turn off arts in order to be able to use it. This time around, it did not give me an error message about that, instead it just went to the application. I tried to record while arts was on, and I didn't get anything. I turned off arts, and restarted audacity and tried to record, again, with no luck. Volume levels are configured properly, kmix indicates input/output levels high and li |
| 04:55.44 | stoned | ghted green. In audacity I/O preferneces tab I am given only the /dev/dsp option so tha is selected, and MIC is selected as the input from the drop down in the main application toolbar |
| 04:55.53 | stoned | wow that was long |
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| 04:57.02 | stoned | and the sound works fine on the system, except, amarok will not work with gstreamer or arts, only with xine output |
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| 04:57.39 | stew | stoned: which version of debian? |
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| 04:57.48 | stoned | uhhh yeah |
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| 04:58.05 | stew | oh, you aren't using debian |
| 04:58.11 | stoned | no sir |
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| 05:00.59 | Nopalin | hey, why if i stop samba daemon, i can see shared folders from win client? |
| 05:01.04 | stoned | the only reason I am using this debian based distro is because of newer software. I ran sarge until it froze and I run sid on my laptop, which has never given me a problem, but it doesn't run services. This pc is half server and half desktop so I need stability + new desktop apps |
| 05:01.10 | Ts0p | is it that easy to install debain .....!!! |
| 05:01.56 | stoned | Nopalin, those are not shares really, its just that windows doesn't update itself like it should |
| 05:02.44 | Nopalin | stoned: i can do smbclient and i can see shared folders |
| 05:02.50 | Nopalin | :s |
| 05:02.53 | TheBest | php -v |
| 05:02.53 | stoned | Nopalin, you can delete those stale shares yourself. I don't know where exactly, but start a search on that share name in documents and folders |
| 05:02.53 | TheBest | PHP 4.3.10-16 (cli) |
| 05:02.57 | Nopalin | whats wrong? |
| 05:03.08 | stoned | Nopalin, then I guess samba is running |
| 05:03.11 | TheBest | can i get on dbian php5 ?? or php4.4.x ?? |
| 05:03.24 | \amethyst | Nopalin: you mean you can see Linux from Windows or Windows from Linux? |
| 05:03.25 | TheBest | debian* |
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| 05:03.33 | Nopalin | stoned: but i do sudo /etc/init.d/samba stop |
| 05:03.36 | \amethyst | !php5 |
| 05:03.37 | dpkg | it has been said that php5 is in Etch but not in Sarge. For unofficial php5 packages for Sarge, ask me about dotdeb |
| 05:03.49 | stew | TheBest: on debian stable, 4.4, on testing and unstable, either |
| 05:04.01 | Nopalin | i can see linux from windows and linux, when i stopped samba daemons :s |
| 05:04.26 | TheBest | !php4 |
| 05:04.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, php4 is php scripting language, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200303/msg00006.html |
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| 05:04.42 | TheBest | stew thanks |
| 05:05.03 | sanxiyn | " * New version numbering scheme. Screw this upstream/debian thing, I *am* the damn upstream (oooh, I love the power)." |
| 05:05.07 | stoned | Nopalin, after you stop the samba server, search the process list for any samba processes running |
| 05:05.08 | sanxiyn | (From some Debian changelog) |
| 05:05.25 | \amethyst | Nopalin: what does pidof smbd say? |
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| 05:05.44 | stew | sanxiyn: heh, which package? |
| 05:05.46 | sanxiyn | (After some time with inactive upstream, that is...) |
| 05:06.03 | sanxiyn | stew: I won't tell you! |
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| 05:06.05 | Nopalin | \amethyst: nothing :s |
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| 05:06.28 | Dwonis | sanxiyn: Don't tell stew. Tell #debian |
| 05:06.30 | \amethyst | Nopalin: can you actually access files? |
| 05:06.36 | \amethyst | Nopalin: from the share, I mean |
| 05:06.39 | sanxiyn | libapache-mod-auth-mysql. |
| 05:06.41 | Nopalin | \amethyst: yes |
| 05:06.50 | TheBest | can i upgrade MySQL version 4.0.24 ?? Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l " mysql 4.1.x " ?? |
| 05:06.52 | \amethyst | Nopalin: what about files that you hadn't accessed before? |
| 05:07.07 | TheBest | !mysql4 |
| 05:07.11 | TheBest | !mysql |
| 05:07.11 | dpkg | A fast and simple relational database implementing a limited subset of SQL. Can do replication; no views, stored procedures, triggers; transaction support not consistent. Packaged as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Also see http://mysql.com and #mysql. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/, or mysql is great for your grandmother's blog but if you want a real and free db you should look at postgresql, or <mysql gotchas> |
| 05:07.13 | Nopalin | all |
| 05:07.17 | sanxiyn | I am actually quite confused about this mod-auth-mysql thing. |
| 05:07.27 | sanxiyn | There seems to be multiple versions with different versioning schemes. |
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| 05:07.53 | Nopalin | \amethyst: i can acces all shared folders, inclusive files that i havent already acceced yet |
| 05:07.57 | TheBest | i have a script .sql vork with php4.2 and mysql 4.4 |
| 05:07.58 | TheBest | :( |
| 05:08.30 | Nopalin | \amethyst: pidof smbd --- > 3249 |
| 05:08.35 | stew | is there such a thing as mysql 4.4? |
| 05:08.36 | \amethyst | ah |
| 05:08.40 | \amethyst | Nopalin: it's still running |
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| 05:09.07 | Nopalin | \amethyst: but why?, i do sudo /etc/init.d/samba stop |
| 05:09.10 | \amethyst | Nopalin: did you get any error messages when you did that? |
| 05:09.17 | \amethyst | any messages? |
| 05:09.18 | Nopalin | nop |
| 05:09.19 | sanxiyn | There are http://sf.net/projects/mod-auth-mysql and http://sf.net/projects/modauthmysql |
| 05:09.22 | sanxiyn | This is crazy. |
| 05:09.25 | sanxiyn | Debian uses neither [!]. |
| 05:09.40 | \amethyst | Nopalin: what about a "Stopping Samba daemons" message? |
| 05:10.03 | Nopalin | sudo /etc/init.d/samba stop |
| 05:10.03 | Nopalin | Stopping Samba daemons: nmbd. |
| 05:10.12 | Nopalin | this is all output |
| 05:10.14 | siz | so, where in my debian startup scripts can i set the hostname of my box |
| 05:10.15 | siz | ? |
| 05:10.21 | \amethyst | Nopalin: ah |
| 05:10.25 | dondelelcaro | !tell siz -about hostname |
| 05:10.29 | \amethyst | Nopalin: it's not stopping smbd for some reason |
| 05:10.30 | siz | saucy |
| 05:10.46 | \amethyst | Nopalin: what does ps aux say about process 3249? |
| 05:10.50 | Nopalin | \amethyst: maybe i need reinstall samba |
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| 05:11.24 | siz | i think that's perfect. thatnks, dondel |
| 05:11.29 | \amethyst | Nopalin: do you have the file /var/run/samba/smbd.pid, and if so what are its contents? |
| 05:11.42 | Nopalin | \amethyst: if some body is already accesing my shared folders, samba can't stop? |
| 05:11.43 | _joey | could someone tell me how to extract .cue/.bin files under linux please |
| 05:11.50 | \amethyst | Nopalin: aha |
| 05:12.01 | siz | joey; i would convert them to iso's and then mount them |
| 05:12.12 | dondelelcaro | !+bin-cue |
| 05:12.13 | dpkg | .bin and .cue files are part of a Golden Hawk Technology CDRWIN image. You can convert a CDRWIN image to ISO/WAV with "bchunk", though you will lose any subcode data (used for game copy protection mechanisms) |
| 05:12.17 | Nopalin | ps aux | grep 3249 |
| 05:12.17 | Nopalin | kokis 3249 0.1 1.7 9832 4204 ? S 23:11 0:00 smbd |
| 05:12.18 | Nopalin | ivan 3273 0.0 0.2 1848 608 pts/2 R+ 23:16 0:00 grep 3249 |
| 05:12.42 | siz | dondel; you get these questions a lot, don't you ;) |
| 05:12.59 | \amethyst | Nopalin: wait, do you have samba configured to run from init.d ? |
| 05:13.12 | Nopalin | \amethyst: yes |
| 05:13.12 | \amethyst | err |
| 05:13.16 | siz | dondel; in other news, do .bin/.cue's really include pertinent data for game copy mechanisms? |
| 05:13.20 | \amethyst | Nopalin: sorry, I meant inetd |
| 05:13.23 | Nopalin | \amethyst: why? |
| 05:13.30 | dondelelcaro | siz: no clue. I haven't ever bothered to look at bin/cue... |
| 05:13.35 | \amethyst | Nopalin: inetd vs stand-alone server, "init.d" was a typo |
| 05:13.47 | Nopalin | \amethyst: ahh no, i have with init.d |
| 05:13.56 | \amethyst | Nopalin: because if it's running from init.d it's not controlled by the init script |
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| 05:14.08 | \amethyst | ARGH |
| 05:14.17 | \amethyst | Nopalin: if it's running from INETD it's not controlled by the init script |
| 05:14.25 | sanxiyn | !bin-cue |
| 05:14.26 | dpkg | .bin and .cue files are part of a Golden Hawk Technology CDRWIN image. You can convert a CDRWIN image to ISO/WAV with "bchunk", though you will lose any subcode data (used for game copy protection mechanisms) |
| 05:14.28 | sanxiyn | !bin/cue |
| 05:14.29 | dpkg | methinks bin/cue is a cd image file format used by CDRWin. cdrdao can burn these images |
| 05:14.33 | sanxiyn | Hm. |
| 05:14.45 | zebalin4 | nite all. |
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| 05:14.52 | Nopalin | \amethyst: hmmm what i need to do? |
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| 05:15.06 | sanxiyn | How should I merge two factoids... |
| 05:15.23 | \amethyst | Nopalin: either run it standalone, or comment the line out in inetd.conf |
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| 05:15.32 | Nopalin | \amethyst i think i configured samba for runing with init.d |
| 05:15.42 | \amethyst | Nopalin: dpkg-reconfigure it then |
| 05:16.14 | dondelelcaro | siz: ? |
| 05:16.27 | dondelelcaro | s/siz/sanxiyn/ |
| 05:16.28 | siz | so redhat has this thingy called chkconfig i can use to symlink /etc/init.d scripts to their proper runlevels ... does debian have something similar? |
| 05:16.36 | siz | siz what? |
| 05:16.44 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: There's bin-cue and bin/cue, with different content. |
| 05:16.49 | Nopalin | \amethyst: ahh i have swat configured to run with inet.d, may be this cause the problem |
| 05:16.51 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, bin/cue is <reply> see bin-cue |
| 05:16.51 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 05:17.00 | siz | ooh, nevermind, i see the substitution was from me to sanx now ;) |
| 05:17.04 | Nopalin | netbios-ssn stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/smbd |
| 05:17.05 | Nopalin | swat stream tcp nowait.400 root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/swat |
| 05:17.12 | \amethyst | siz: command-line, curses, or graphical? |
| 05:17.17 | siz | CLI |
| 05:17.19 | siz | preferably |
| 05:17.24 | \amethyst | Nopalin: are you wanting to stop it permanently or kill it? |
| 05:17.25 | siz | vim :) |
| 05:17.37 | siz | err, not vim but command-line |
| 05:17.45 | \amethyst | siz: update-rc.d perhaps? |
| 05:17.46 | siz | i can't very well edit this script i want to run to make it happen ;) |
| 05:17.50 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: bin-cue =~ s/ though you will lose any subcode data (used for game copy protection mechanisms)/. You can also burn the images using cdrdao/ |
| 05:17.51 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
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| 05:18.01 | Nopalin | \amethyst: stop it for a moment only |
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| 05:18.20 | \amethyst | Nopalin: well, you can kill the existing processes |
| 05:18.27 | \amethyst | Nopalin: new ones will use the new config |
| 05:18.39 | drkat | Are there any auto detecting/graphical style X config tools in debian? such as SuSE's SaX etc |
| 05:18.40 | siz | amethyst; do you have some quick syntax to make a an rc.script start in runlevels 2345? |
| 05:18.50 | siz | i.e. update-rc.d -startme service.d 2345 ? |
| 05:18.54 | Nopalin | \amethyst: i need to remove from inetd.conf right? |
| 05:18.55 | siz | i know that's crude, but .. |
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| 05:19.25 | \amethyst | siz: update-rc.d service start 80 2 3 4 5 |
| 05:19.44 | \amethyst | siz: where 80 is the sequence number |
| 05:20.20 | \amethyst | siz: or better, update-rc.d service start 80 2 3 4 5 stop 80 0 1 6 |
| 05:20.41 | siz | *nod* |
| 05:21.06 | \amethyst | brb |
| 05:21.07 | siz | it's a firewall script, so perhaps 40? |
| 05:21.21 | \amethyst | siz: then it should start early and stop late |
| 05:21.55 | \amethyst | before/after anything that needs firewalled is up/down |
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| 05:22.32 | siz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.33 | siz | update-rc.d: error: expected runlevel [0-9S] (did you forget "." ?) |
| 05:22.34 | siz | hmm ... |
| 05:22.49 | \amethyst | ah |
| 05:22.53 | siz | same thing for update-rc.d service start 80 2 3 4 5 stop 80 0 1 6 |
| 05:22.53 | siz | ? |
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| 05:22.54 | \amethyst | siz: or better, update-rc.d service start 80 2 3 4 5 . stop 80 0 1 6 . |
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| 05:22.58 | siz | aah, ok :) |
| 05:23.02 | Nopalin | \amethyst: ok, samba isn't stopping when client is accessing |
| 05:23.33 | \amethyst | Nopalin: with the way you have it set up, a copy of samba gets launched for each client |
| 05:23.35 | siz | nice, that worked :) |
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| 05:23.49 | \amethyst | Nopalin: and when no clients are accessing it, smbd isn't running |
| 05:24.52 | Nopalin | \amethyst: ahh how i change that? i deleted the inputs in inetd.conf file |
| 05:25.07 | \amethyst | Nopalin: dpkg-reconfigure samba |
| 05:25.14 | \amethyst | tell it not to use inetd |
| 05:25.14 | foobus | is dpkg lame or someting? |
| 05:25.30 | \amethyst | Nopalin: then you can use the init scripts to start/stop it |
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| 05:25.45 | Nopalin | \amethyst: ahh thank you very much |
| 05:25.47 | foobus | dpkg, wake up |
| 05:25.48 | dpkg | foobus: I'm already awake! :) |
| 05:25.51 | foobus | huh |
| 05:26.19 | foobus | stupid keyword choice, is all |
| 05:26.29 | stew | foobus: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:26.48 | Nopalin | \amethyst: you are god man =) |
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| 05:29.07 | hatake_kakashi | is there anyway to merge pkgcache.bin, etc? |
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| 05:30.41 | foobus | stew, I'm trying to figure out why sound stopped working for me on this laptop |
| 05:31.04 | foobus | sorry, was dinking with lsmod and didn't see your query |
| 05:31.11 | stew | foobus: what version of debian are you running? what does "uname -r" say? |
| 05:32.18 | foobus | hmmm, what was that spell... got changed to "linux-kernel" or something? |
| 05:33.43 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 05:33.53 | jetscreamer | the newer ones |
| 05:34.02 | stew | newer ones what? |
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| 05:34.07 | coywolf | pop3 server is MDA? |
| 05:34.19 | jetscreamer | newer stock kernels got renamed to linux- |
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| 05:34.25 | stew | coywolf: no an mda is something like maildrop or procmail |
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| 05:34.45 | foobus | jetscreamer, yeah, and isn't the default dummy linux-kernel? |
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| 05:35.19 | jetscreamer | i believe the metapackages (DON'T GET ONE!) are like linux-kernel-2.6 or something |
| 05:35.22 | coywolf | steri, what pop server is? |
| 05:35.27 | coywolf | stew ^ |
| 05:35.40 | jetscreamer | i forget but i installed one once |
| 05:35.47 | jetscreamer | get the one with the nice long version |
| 05:35.48 | foobus | *neuralstorm* |
| 05:35.51 | stew | coywolf: pop is the Post Office Protocol, its a method or retrieve email from a server |
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| 05:36.14 | Ts0p | question...i just installed debian-31r1a-i386-netinst everything is going smooth...it's downloading packges right now"i think" keep saying get :406...grt:407 ....etc |
| 05:36.29 | jetscreamer | what's the question |
| 05:36.31 | stew | coywolf: mda is the delivery agent, its responsible for taking mail from an MTA and putting it somewhere on the system for a user, perhaps somewhere that a pop server would know how to find it |
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| 05:37.05 | Ts0p | jetscreamer i installed it on my laptop, but the screen is not all the way |
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| 05:37.29 | hatake_kakashi | Is there a possibility to merge multiple pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin into a single pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin? |
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| 05:38.05 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: you mean during the install, your screen... what. |
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| 05:38.43 | Ts0p | jetscreamer hmmm i don't know how to explain this |
| 05:38.57 | jetscreamer | the displayed area is too small for the screen? |
| 05:39.00 | foobus | how 'bout those Sox |
| 05:39.05 | Ts0p | jetscreamer yea yea |
| 05:39.11 | jetscreamer | i change my sox everyday |
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| 05:39.57 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: i don't know, but i'm guessing that it's just an installer thing, and it will fix it's self on reboot. but like i said, i dunno. |
| 05:40.08 | coywolf | what MDA qmail usually work with? |
| 05:40.08 | jetscreamer | but i did guess what you meant. |
| 05:40.10 | stew | Ts0p: running X or at a console? |
| 05:40.17 | jetscreamer | installer |
| 05:40.23 | hatake_kakashi | Is there a possibility to make pkgcache.bin human readable so that I can manually add necessary data by hand? |
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| 05:40.39 | jetscreamer | probably not the gui installer but who knows |
| 05:41.18 | coywolf | what MDA qmail usually work with? stew |
| 05:41.21 | Ts0p | stew today is my first day in linux bro so easy on me ;)...this morning a guy here i can't remember his nick i think it was something BOY gave me a like to a guide |
| 05:41.26 | jetscreamer | ah yeah not the gui installer |
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| 05:41.41 | jetscreamer | sarge installer |
| 05:42.07 | Ts0p | debian-31r1a-i386-netinst |
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| 05:43.33 | jmd | How can I get gv to come up with lp instead of lpr in the print box ?? |
| 05:43.52 | Ts0p | my install is now in a proccess keep saying Get:#...where #debian is a 500 and going up |
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| 05:45.16 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: it's just a long line of get's, right? |
| 05:45.31 | \amethyst | jmd: do you know how to configure X resources? |
| 05:45.32 | Ts0p | jetscreamer yes |
| 05:45.48 | jetscreamer | no lines about it freaking out and not being able to connect or just sitting there... ok yeah seems to be downloading normally |
| 05:45.58 | jmd | \amethyst, I thought I did, but when I tried that it didn't seem to work. |
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| 05:47.11 | \amethyst | jmd: you tried GV.printCommand: lp ? |
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| 05:48.05 | jmd | Yep. I've edited /etc/X11/app-defaults/GV to that, but there's no difference at all. |
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| 05:48.45 | \amethyst | jmd: you might need to do an xrdb -merge /etc/X11/app-defaults/GV if you haven't restarted X |
| 05:48.54 | Ts0p | jetscreamer ok |
| 05:48.54 | Estes | I eventually plan on testing selinux on debian, i found like... http://wiki.debian.org/SELinuxSetup which made me think again.... Is it even a good idea to have selinux enabled... ? |
| 05:49.44 | jetscreamer | you could remove the appropriate modules |
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| 05:50.25 | sanxiyn | Estes: My understanding is that currently Debian's support of SELinux is not for end users. |
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| 05:50.29 | CaT[tm] | does anyone know if it's possible to get the mysqli extention in a php5 debian package? unless I'm missing something backports.org only has mysql. :/ |
| 05:50.58 | jmd | \amethyst, Tried that also. Still no difference. |
| 05:51.27 | \amethyst | jmd: hrm :( |
| 05:52.11 | jmd | xrdb -q | grep printCommand shows "GV.printCommand: lp" |
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| 05:52.20 | lixcz | does anyone know how to support wma file in apache? |
| 05:52.39 | Estes | wma in apache ? |
| 05:52.39 | CaT[tm] | erm. filetype? |
| 05:52.44 | Estes | O_o |
| 05:52.46 | gpm | hey guys. what's a "VAX COFF executable not stripped - version 376" ? i just downloaded a dmg, i'm trying to open it, and i got that... |
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| 05:53.13 | lixcz | yeah, make user can play wma files via apache |
| 05:53.14 | Psytek | hi huys |
| 05:53.17 | startkeylogger | gpm: sounds like a fluke. I've seen file claim that on misc files. |
| 05:53.20 | Psytek | hi guys |
| 05:53.23 | jetscreamer | man selinux looks like more of a pita than i'd thought |
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| 05:53.30 | Estes | lixcz, i don;t think this ever relies on apache |
| 05:53.37 | foobus | wtf, I thought I asked for headers. dselect is prompting to download linux-image-686... |
| 05:53.39 | Psytek | 6.30 down here :D it's a new day :D |
| 05:53.40 | CaT[tm] | jets: from what I've read so far it's rather nittygritty. |
| 05:53.41 | lixcz | play the url like http://xxxxx.wma |
| 05:53.58 | CaT[tm] | lixcz: do you wish to stream? |
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| 05:54.03 | lixcz | :Estes i've tried to edit /etc/mime.types |
| 05:54.25 | CaT[tm] | lixcz: you may need to addtype perhaps. |
| 05:54.27 | lixcz | yeah,sorry for my bad english ,i want to stream wma files |
| 05:54.27 | Estes | lixcz, i defintly would say that apache has nothing to with the fact your browser has or not an embeded module to read a video |
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| 05:54.35 | jetscreamer | foobus: the headers probably depend on the image. i've found it best to install the kernel-image, then the headers, not both at once btw |
| 05:54.36 | Estes | ...or a sound |
| 05:54.42 | jetscreamer | but i'm guessing |
| 05:55.00 | Psytek | guys, why when I use apt-get, the output says I dont have packages in /var/lib/apt/lists? |
| 05:55.02 | sanxiyn | Estes: Maybe Apache sends a wrong mimetype. |
| 05:55.03 | Ts0p | where can i get netstrumbler ? |
| 05:55.08 | foobus | jetscreamer, nope, just my thick head, again. Already have the image. |
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| 05:55.10 | Psytek | and how to put them there? |
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| 05:55.17 | jmd | \amethyst, editres doesn't show a printCommand resource, so I'm wondering if that option is deprecated. |
| 05:55.19 | lixcz | sure, i mean using winamp to play a url like http://xxx.xx.xx./file.wma |
| 05:55.27 | \amethyst | lixcz: I believe vlc can run as a server |
| 05:55.31 | Estes | sanxiyn, hum, yes, could |
| 05:55.33 | \amethyst | jmd: hmm |
| 05:55.44 | jetscreamer | foobus: those generic kernel metapackages had a tendency to not uninstall for me btw |
| 05:55.44 | foobus | *sigh*, time to reboot. |
| 05:55.46 | Estes | lixcz, you can set the mimetype.... |
| 05:56.19 | sanxiyn | lixcz: AddType audio/x-ms-wma wma |
| 05:56.27 | sanxiyn | lixcz: Put that in appropriate place. |
| 05:56.30 | lixcz | Estes, i 've tried to add audio/x-ms-wma wma in mimetypes and AddType in httpd.conf. |
| 05:56.43 | lixcz | it just doesn't work |
| 05:56.53 | Estes | lixcz, did you restart the server after this ? |
| 05:57.11 | lixcz | yeah i restart the server several times |
| 05:57.14 | Estes | by server, i mean apache |
| 05:57.19 | Ts0p | jetscreamer where can i get kismet plesae? |
| 05:57.20 | Estes | hum |
| 05:57.34 | lixcz | i am using winamp, it says http1.1 200 OK |
| 05:57.35 | jetscreamer | i don't know what kismet is |
| 05:57.38 | jetscreamer | !find kismet |
| 05:57.42 | dpkg | kismet: (Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool), section net, is optional. Version: 2005.08.R1-1.2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 921 kB, Installed size: 2204 kB |
| 05:57.49 | jetscreamer | apt-get install kismet |
| 05:57.56 | sanxiyn | lixcz: The thing is, That AddType statement is correct. Have a look at this MSDN document: |
| 05:57.58 | sanxiyn | lixcz: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwmt/html/mime.asp |
| 05:58.01 | sanxiyn | Click "Apache" |
| 05:58.06 | Estes | btw, lixcz why not using a format that everyone can play ? |
| 05:58.07 | jetscreamer | !find kismet sarge |
| 05:58.16 | Psytek | guys do you copy me? |
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| 05:58.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kismet' (2): (/usr/share/gpsdrive/README.kismet, /usr/share/doc/gpsdrive/{LISEZMOI.kismet|README.kismet}) in utils/gpsdrive ;; (/usr/share/doc/kismet/scripts/{kismet|kismet.in}, /usr/bin/{kismet|kismet_client|kismet_drone|...}, /etc/kismet/{kismet.conf|kismet_drone.conf|kismet_ui.conf}) in net/kismet. |
| 05:58.23 | sanxiyn | Psytek: Copy. |
| 05:58.26 | Estes | Like, most linux users i know don't ever want to install nothing about wma or wmv |
| 05:58.28 | Ts0p | jetscreamer what is sarge mean |
| 05:58.28 | foobus | be back if I bounce... |
| 05:58.38 | Psytek | tnx |
| 05:58.44 | Estes | like.... mp3 for example |
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| 05:59.03 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: it's what you're installing... sarge is the name for the stable version of debian |
| 05:59.19 | jetscreamer | etch is testing and sid is unstable |
| 05:59.24 | Psytek | when I use apt-get, the output says I dont have packages in /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 05:59.25 | jetscreamer | and then there's experimental |
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| 05:59.26 | Psytek | why? |
| 05:59.35 | lixcz | thx sanxiyn, i'll try that link, hope it is functional |
| 05:59.39 | jetscreamer | Psytek: did you apt-get update ? |
| 05:59.47 | lixcz | thx Estes, wish me luck |
| 05:59.50 | Estes | lixcz, Are your files ending by .wma or .WMA ? |
| 05:59.51 | Psytek | it says the same |
| 05:59.51 | sanxiyn | lixcz: Well, that says the same thing we told... |
| 06:00.15 | jetscreamer | i've seen somebody answer that question before Psytek but i don't remember |
| 06:00.18 | Psytek | first start to ownload |
| 06:00.18 | lixcz | yes, they are a bunch of file named xxx.wma |
| 06:00.29 | lixcz | and i am sure it is in wma format |
| 06:00.30 | Estes | did you try to open those ? |
| 06:00.31 | Psytek | then , the last lines says that |
| 06:00.33 | jetscreamer | you're doing the stuff as root eh |
| 06:00.34 | Ts0p | !find airodump |
| 06:00.45 | Psytek | yes |
| 06:00.48 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: /msg dpkg find something |
| 06:00.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'airodump' (1): (/usr/sbin/airodump) in net/aircrack. |
| 06:00.54 | Psytek | I'm doing wrong? |
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| 06:01.07 | sanxiyn | lixcz: Maybe it's time for packet capture... :( |
| 06:01.08 | Psytek | I'v to upget by user? |
| 06:01.10 | jetscreamer | Psytek: no, just checking. you need to do it as root. |
| 06:01.15 | lixcz | i will check the files to see if they are ok |
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| 06:01.18 | Psytek | ok |
| 06:01.23 | sanxiyn | I'd just launch ethereal in such cases. |
| 06:01.40 | lixcz | hum, ethereal, good idea |
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| 06:01.47 | Psytek | how dpkg-get create the database at the beginnig? |
| 06:01.54 | Ts0p | jetscreamer now what is next ,,,say that i found it how can i get it |
| 06:02.00 | Estes | lixcz, if your mime type was defined like wma try to open a file that has it's extension like .wma without caps, maybe it matters |
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| 06:02.44 | Ts0p | (/usr/sbin/airodump) in net/aircrack. |
| 06:02.54 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: when the installer is finished, and your system reboots and you do all the post-install stuff, apt-get install whatever |
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| 06:03.07 | Estes | lixcz, before you go with ethereal, check the simple filename extension |
| 06:03.14 | sanxiyn | Estes: If ethereal shows correct Content-Type, then it must be a different problem... |
| 06:03.15 | Estes | lixcz, and check you apache logs |
| 06:03.15 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: apt-cache search thing-to-search-for to find the names |
| 06:03.36 | Estes | sanxiyn, yes, but go to the simple first |
| 06:03.40 | Ts0p | ???? |
| 06:03.43 | jetscreamer | ooo 777 execute * |
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| 06:03.47 | Ts0p | i'm not understanding |
| 06:03.48 | sanxiyn | Well, to me, ethereal was often the most simple way :-) |
| 06:04.06 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: when you want to find the name of a package, so you can apt-get install it, use apt-cache search |
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| 06:04.49 | Estes | sanxiyn, i'm a fan of tcpdump, noone to impress here telling etherreal is easy for you, maybe this guy is not sure what packets are the ones for his matters, go simple in first case, it's irc |
| 06:04.54 | foobus | is esd connected to megashitty? |
| 06:05.07 | sanxiyn | Estes: I see. I had no intention to brag. |
| 06:05.17 | jetscreamer | esound is usually pulled in by gnome-ish things if that helps |
| 06:05.27 | jetscreamer | no idea aobut the answer to your question though |
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| 06:07.07 | drkat | so any auto detection for X settings ? |
| 06:07.14 | foobus | mrmlchristonabreadstickgrmblbrm |
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| 06:08.20 | derek6543 | hello,is anyone else having problems with alsa on etch? |
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| 06:09.14 | jetscreamer | drkat: apt-get install read-edid mdetect they help during drxx... see also hotplug, iirc (xorg uses it for some autodetection i think) |
| 06:09.26 | jetscreamer | but should be installed |
| 06:09.44 | drkat | ok |
| 06:09.52 | stew | derek6543: if you are having a problem, tell us exactly what it is |
| 06:10.03 | derek6543 | its not working |
| 06:10.09 | derek6543 | was wonmdering if it was just me |
| 06:10.18 | derek6543 | was working a few days ago |
| 06:10.29 | stew | derek6543: what does "uname -r" say? what card do you have? what driver are you using? |
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| 06:10.48 | vin` | are the modules loaded? |
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| 06:10.56 | derek6543 | im running 2.6.12-1 |
| 06:11.05 | derek6543 | 15 i mean |
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| 06:11.12 | stew | derek6543: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 06:11.27 | derek6543 | 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 06:11.32 | drkat | jetscreamer: what is read-edid |
| 06:11.53 | sanxiyn | drkat: Package name |
| 06:11.56 | stew | derek6543: which audio card do you have? is the module loaded? |
| 06:12.02 | drkat | ok |
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| 06:12.05 | derek6543 | let me see |
| 06:12.15 | sanxiyn | drkat: It dos DDC detection. (Monitor resolution, etc.) |
| 06:12.18 | sanxiyn | does |
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| 06:13.15 | jetscreamer | it's some monitor ddc helper (or so) detects monitors |
| 06:13.32 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show read-edid |
| 06:13.41 | jetscreamer | oh nm i'm slo |
| 06:13.55 | Psytek | what is "setting local failed"? |
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| 06:14.02 | Psytek | where are the local settings? |
| 06:14.10 | wicked_ | i was was trying to install nvidia on debian... any help ressources or something? im kindof really new to debian |
| 06:14.12 | jm_ | you mean locale? |
| 06:14.13 | jetscreamer | in relation to what, Psytek |
| 06:14.17 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:14.22 | Psytek | yea locale |
| 06:14.23 | jetscreamer | jm_ has it |
| 06:14.23 | jm_ | !tell wicked_ -about nvidia one-liner |
| 06:14.36 | Psytek | and local settings too |
| 06:14.37 | jm_ | !tell Psytek -about locales |
| 06:14.43 | Psytek | it's a pearl error |
| 06:14.46 | jetscreamer | language kind of settings |
| 06:15.00 | jetscreamer | you can ignore it for now, and dpkg-reconfigure locales later |
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| 06:15.05 | derek6543 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.05 | wicked_ | can you tell me about non-free sources |
| 06:15.15 | jm_ | ask dpkg about them |
| 06:15.19 | jetscreamer | !tell wicked_ -about non-free |
| 06:15.31 | jm_ | derek6543: use snd_intel8x0 module |
| 06:15.37 | Muffin | Any chance someone in here might have a word to say about postfix and smtp-auth? |
| 06:15.39 | Psytek | so isnt important |
| 06:15.49 | jetscreamer | Psytek: isn't imperative |
| 06:15.50 | derek6543 | jm_: thanks,i will try that |
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| 06:15.58 | Psytek | k |
| 06:16.01 | jetscreamer | you can let it slide |
| 06:16.07 | TheBest | any MYSQL Guru can help me Please http://pastebin.com/568151 |
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| 06:17.00 | jetscreamer | ok i know you're all depending on me to answer you questions, but i have to go to the store... try not to melt your boxes while i'm gone... |
| 06:17.01 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:17.21 | Psytek | but it happens when I tape apt-get -f install |
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| 06:17.52 | derek6543 | still no go with alsa |
| 06:18.03 | Psytek | then it couldnt find packages in /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 06:18.04 | ejofee | how do i tell egrep that i want it to return all lines containing either "foo" or "bar"? |
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| 06:18.48 | Ts0p | why does it say eth0 when i type iwconfig |
| 06:18.54 | Ts0p | shouldn't it say wlan0 |
| 06:18.55 | stew | ejofee: egrep "foo|bar" |
| 06:18.57 | Ts0p | ???!!1 |
| 06:19.05 | stew | Ts0p: depends on your wireless driver |
| 06:19.19 | ejofee | stew: thank you |
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| 06:20.15 | Ts0p | oh coz some cmd will not work for the eth0 but they work for the wlan0 huh |
| 06:20.27 | derek6543 | you can rename it |
| 06:20.28 | stew | Ts0p: like what? |
| 06:20.36 | Ts0p | like iwconfig wlan0 mode monitor |
| 06:20.46 | stew | Ts0p: try iwconfig eth0 mode monitor |
| 06:20.49 | sanxiyn | TheBest: Still there? |
| 06:21.04 | sanxiyn | TheBest: Try drop equal sign in "DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1". |
| 06:21.23 | Ts0p | stew i will in a few mintue i'm still installing |
| 06:22.30 | TheBest | sanxiyn yes |
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| 06:22.47 | TheBest | DEFAULT CHARSET latin1 |
| 06:22.50 | TheBest | so must ? |
| 06:22.56 | sanxiyn | TheBest: ? |
| 06:23.09 | sanxiyn | TheBest: Did it work? |
| 06:23.23 | TheBest | w8 |
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| 06:24.30 | jsizzle | greets, I'm trying to do a hard drive install on a very old laptop with loadlin, I downloaded all the files from the hd-media install directory for sarge, but I can't figure out the right syntax for loadlin can anyone help me? |
| 06:24.58 | TheBest | ERROR 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'DEFAULT CHARSET latin1 COMMENT='Randomly picked numbers'' at li |
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| 06:25.17 | jm_ | jsizzle: there should be a .bat file there for it |
| 06:25.29 | jsizzle | I've tried "loadlin vmlinuz initrd=initrd.gz" but that doesn't work and there's a bootim~1.gz file I can't figure out what to do with |
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| 06:25.44 | jsizzle | jmg: not that I saw |
| 06:25.47 | jsizzle | whoops |
| 06:25.51 | jsizzle | jmg=jm_ |
| 06:26.24 | jsizzle | jm_: I have it open in another window on this laptop, there's no batch file |
| 06:26.35 | jm_ | jsizzle: let me see |
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| 06:27.17 | jsizzle | jm_: thx in adv, I appreciate it |
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| 06:27.30 | jm_ | jsizzle: yeah it's not there, it used to be for Woody |
| 06:28.24 | onizuka | im trying to upgrade to testing ver of debian but i keep getting an error msg and knetworkconf wont install |
| 06:28.50 | jm_ | jsizzle: use this as an example -- http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 06:28.58 | jsizzle | jm_: could I use the one from woody? or no |
| 06:29.14 | jm_ | jsizzle: yeah it hasn't changed, just possibly filenames need modifying etc |
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| 06:36.53 | TheBest | how do i upgrade Your MySQL connection id is 74 to server version: 4.0.24_Debian-10sarge1-log to 4.1.x ? |
| 06:40.24 | Ts0p | ok i finished installing debain , and i'm loged in as a user, but my screen is very small...how can i set it up please help? |
| 06:41.01 | derek6543 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:41.02 | derek6543 | or |
| 06:41.06 | Neverth | Ts0p, are you in console or in X |
| 06:41.07 | derek6543 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:41.33 | Paivakil | Ts0p: what you mean screen is too small ? you may have soem buttons / dials on yur monitor to adjust screen size? |
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| 06:41.38 | Ts0p | what is the diffrenet |
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| 06:41.52 | Ts0p | it's a laptop |
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| 06:43.32 | NiteTwo | Hi. I'm installing Debian in VMware via the net install, and one of the packages (gnome-games) just said it timed out. How will I obtain it? |
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| 06:44.11 | nailchip1er | NiteTwo: you can just apt-get install gnome-games again |
| 06:44.18 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:44.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:44.22 | TheBest | how i upgrade mysql from 4.0.x to 4.1.x ? |
| 06:44.24 | Ts0p | any help plz |
| 06:44.29 | wn_ | hey guys, I am transfering over a mailing list (mailman) to another server, I have it all working except the mail side of it |
| 06:44.37 | wn_ | what do I need to install? sendmail? etc..? |
| 06:44.41 | NiteTwo | Ok. What if another package was missed, and I don't know which one it was. How can I obtain that? |
| 06:45.30 | Azar | tarzeau! |
| 06:45.36 | tarzeau | Azar! |
| 06:45.38 | nailchip1er | NiteTwo: well.. if the machine boots, then you might not need it. install what you need. |
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| 06:45.52 | Azar | ever seen this game? DROD: Journey to Rooted Hold |
| 06:45.57 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: you now mean in console not in the gui i take it. i suspect framebuffer might hold the answer, but whether you need to turn it on or off, i don't know. |
| 06:45.57 | nailchip1er | NiteTwo: brb |
| 06:46.00 | NiteTwo | ok |
| 06:46.00 | tarzeau | Azar: nope, url? |
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| 06:46.16 | Azar | http://www.caravelgames.com/Articles/Games.html |
| 06:46.32 | Azar | shareware but works on linux too |
| 06:46.35 | Ts0p | Paivakil can u help me please |
| 06:46.36 | wn_ | what is the standard program to receive mail? |
| 06:46.48 | wn_ | so when you install it it creates the /etc/mail folder |
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| 06:47.55 | tarzeau | Azar: looks like fun, screenshots? |
| 06:48.01 | jsizzle | ok, I'm not smart, I've found a big roadblock to my debian happiness on my old p-120 laptop it only has 16mb RAM, can anyone suggest a way to get some linuxie goodness on it? there is no floppy cd or usb btw :) thx in adv |
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| 06:48.09 | tarzeau | Azar: ah found it at more info |
| 06:48.23 | ejofee | is there any command pair in bash which pends the execution of a certain command until a later position in the script? |
| 06:48.31 | jsizzle | there's gotta be a way to get linux on it |
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| 06:48.36 | tarzeau | ejofee: at/ sleep |
| 06:48.43 | Azar | another prized game around: Proffessor Fizzwizzle: http://grubbygames.com/games.php |
| 06:49.00 | tarzeau | Azar: i prefer free software games |
| 06:49.05 | Ts0p | jetscreamer i am in a place that look like windows.... i find my way where i found a screen rosulition but the only option there is 800x600 |
| 06:49.31 | jetscreamer | !laptop |
| 06:49.32 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 06:49.38 | Azar | tarzeau, me too, but I just feast my eyes on candies who won prizes |
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| 06:49.42 | Paivakil | Ts0p: what are the specs of your monitor? |
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| 06:50.20 | ejofee | tarzeau: i want them to be time-independent but script-position dependent. some sort of a "pend no1 echo something (...); release no1" |
| 06:50.25 | Ts0p | 1024/ |
| 06:50.30 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: that is probably due to your xserver not being configured properly... which only means you need to tell it the proper values to use... |
| 06:50.36 | Azar | tarzeau what a shame Rocks-n-Diamonds did not made it to Debian |
| 06:50.43 | Azar | lack of license |
| 06:50.48 | wn_ | there is mailman, but some reason that didn't create the /etc/mail folder for me |
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| 06:51.15 | Ts0p | jetscreamer and how can i do that |
| 06:51.17 | wn_ | I need to configure some stuff in /etc/mail |
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| 06:51.40 | wn_ | but it isn't there |
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| 06:51.51 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: by locating the proper values for the monitor and the video card/chip, and doing the dpkg-reconfigure thing |
| 06:51.59 | jetscreamer | !tell Ts0p -about drxx |
| 06:52.07 | jarango | What's the name of the alsa syntem-wide config file ? |
| 06:52.37 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 06:52.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 06:52.38 | stoned | !d-i |
| 06:52.38 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:52.58 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: that hwinfo thing may help |
| 06:53.03 | wn_ | jarango, you can configure it all in alsa-utils |
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| 06:53.16 | wn_ | just aptitude install alsa-utils |
| 06:53.17 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: it likes to be run as root btw |
| 06:53.36 | jarango | wn_: I need to change the default device |
| 06:53.55 | jarango | wn_: Is there al global alsarc file |
| 06:54.04 | Ts0p | jetscreamer dude i'm stuck in that windows look like screen and i don't know even how to log out |
| 06:54.08 | wn_ | hmm.. not sure where it would be, I just recompile my kernel, it should be in /etc/modules.conf |
| 06:54.30 | Ts0p | theres an icon of a footprint there!!! |
| 06:54.35 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: ctrl alt F1-6 for console, alt F7 to get back |
| 06:55.23 | jetscreamer | left alt |
| 06:55.37 | Ts0p | :) |
| 06:55.57 | Ts0p | root |
| 06:56.04 | Ts0p | and then my password |
| 06:56.13 | jetscreamer | yeah to log in as root |
| 06:56.28 | Ts0p | then hwinfo |
| 06:56.50 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: i'd google around for you laptop and try to find out the needed vid module and know the refresh rates... it's lcd so not sure if hwinfo will help |
| 06:56.59 | wn_ | so if mailman is installed then why is there no /etc/mail folder? |
| 06:57.12 | wn_ | is there something else I need? |
| 06:57.17 | Ts0p | i got command not found |
| 06:57.55 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: the first line said apt-get install hwinfo |
| 06:58.14 | Ts0p | jetscreamer ok ...but can u walk me thru how to install irc so i can use it from that laptop |
| 06:58.56 | jm_ | you don't know how to use apt-get? read the tutorial |
| 06:59.08 | Muffin | Anyone able to provide a touch of sasl support? |
| 06:59.18 | Azar | tarzeau, how about birquolo? |
| 06:59.29 | Azar | http://briquolo.free.fr/en/index.html |
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| 06:59.36 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: apt-get install irssi |
| 07:00.05 | jetscreamer | the commands you need to know are /server irc.freenode.net and /join #debian and /window next |
| 07:00.33 | dagbrown | Or apt-cache search erc, then all you need to know is emacs and M-x erc-select |
| 07:00.36 | Azar | jetscreamer: I thought irc.freenode is no more? |
| 07:00.56 | Ts0p | missing pkg |
| 07:00.57 | jetscreamer | if it's nomore then this is all illusion |
| 07:01.07 | Ts0p | !find irc |
| 07:01.07 | jetscreamer | pkg? |
| 07:01.08 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'irc' (15 of 52): aircrack ;; cd-circleprint ;; cgiirc ;; circ-tex ;; circlepack ;; circuslinux ;; circuslinux-data ;; cl-irc ;; cl-irc-logger ;; cwirc ;; dancer-ircd ;; dancer-ircd-doc ;; dircproxy ;; gaim-irchelper ;; inputlirc. |
| 07:01.16 | jm_ | it's called irssi-text in Sarge |
| 07:01.23 | jetscreamer | apt-get install irssi-text then :/ |
| 07:01.37 | wn_ | exim is installed, just no idea why /etc/mail isn't there anymore |
| 07:01.57 | dagbrown | So is the libXft commotion resolved yet? |
| 07:02.04 | dagbrown | That is to say, is it safe to apt-get upgrade? |
| 07:02.07 | jetscreamer | who uses azureus |
| 07:02.17 | jetscreamer | (xft ref) |
| 07:02.20 | dagbrown | People with lots and lots of ram |
| 07:02.24 | derek6543 | haha |
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| 07:02.45 | derek6543 | i use transmission,it is good |
| 07:02.55 | Ts0p | installed irssi |
| 07:03.06 | wn_ | wn_, yes, you are so cool |
| 07:03.13 | Ts0p | should i just type irssi in the prompt |
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| 07:03.21 | ruskian | hi |
| 07:03.27 | derek6543 | hello |
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| 07:04.31 | ruskian | i need to change the label of my vfat partition, how can i do this under linux |
| 07:04.36 | ruskian | is there any way to do this? |
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| 07:05.35 | jetscreamer | yes, or irssi-text probably |
| 07:05.41 | Zugschlus | wn_: /etc/mail is neither part of exim nor exim4 |
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| 07:06.25 | annulus | so any ideas how to change the label of a vfat partition? |
| 07:06.28 | wn_ | Zugschlus, what is it part of? |
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| 07:07.20 | jetscreamer | wtf why is there no man for dosfstools |
| 07:07.38 | jetscreamer | i'd suspect you can change the label with dosfstools though |
| 07:08.05 | Eclipser | dpkg -L dosfstools |
| 07:08.08 | dpkg | No packages found matching dosfstools |
| 07:08.11 | Eclipser | whops :p |
| 07:08.20 | dagbrown | :) [~] dosfstools |
| 07:08.20 | dagbrown | zsh: command not found: dosfstools |
| 07:08.26 | Eclipser | jetscreamer, try that to see what commands the package comes with |
| 07:08.28 | dagbrown | I think that would explain the lack of a man page for it |
| 07:08.32 | jm_ | jetscreamer: you can't, but you can specify it when creating it |
| 07:08.32 | Eclipser | and see manpages for them |
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| 07:08.54 | jetscreamer | dosfstools - Utilities to create and check MS-DOS FAT filesystems |
| 07:09.10 | Eclipser | it's a package with many programs! |
| 07:09.19 | Eclipser | of course it doesn't have man page for "dosfstools" |
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| 07:10.29 | jetscreamer | man ntfsprogs works |
| 07:10.55 | jetscreamer | xfs doesn't |
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| 07:12.32 | Ts0p | !find kismet |
| 07:12.35 | dpkg | kismet: (Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool), section net, is optional. Version: 2005.08.R1-1.2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 921 kB, Installed size: 2204 kB |
| 07:13.23 | runge | hi. I am having problems with dist-upgrade after changins from stable to testing. it all fails on kdemultimedia-kio-plugins. I don't know what to do:( |
| 07:13.59 | Ts0p | !find apt-install kismet |
| 07:14.10 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'apt-install kismet' returned no results. |
| 07:14.31 | Ts0p | ?? |
| 07:14.32 | cafuego | !info kismet |
| 07:14.35 | dpkg | kismet: (Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool), section net, is optional. Version: 2005.08.R1-1.2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 921 kB, Installed size: 2204 kB |
| 07:14.51 | cafuego | Check instructions before use. |
| 07:14.59 | annulus | Eclipser: thanks |
| 07:15.11 | Ts0p | cafuego yea but i want to install it |
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| 07:15.35 | stoned | hi, why do packages sometimes get taken out of testing, but remain in stable/sid? |
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| 07:15.55 | derek6543 | backports i think |
| 07:16.10 | derek6543 | or something like that |
| 07:16.38 | stoned | backports have nothing to do with this |
| 07:16.46 | derek6543 | oh my bad i didnt even read that right |
| 07:17.18 | stoned | booyyakasha! |
| 07:17.24 | derek6543 | need to stop smokin the chronic |
| 07:17.34 | derek6543 | or not |
| 07:17.40 | stoned | soon as im done with dinner |
| 07:17.45 | stoned | im gonna fire up this here blunt |
| 07:17.51 | derek6543 | hell ya |
| 07:17.59 | cafuego | Ts0p: And rtyping command in an irc channel will accomplish this how? |
| 07:18.08 | stoned | new york city sour deisel |
| 07:18.17 | stoned | it won the cannabis cup, its some bad shiz |
| 07:18.20 | Ts0p | !info kismet |
| 07:18.23 | dpkg | kismet: (Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool), section net, is optional. Version: 2005.08.R1-1.2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 921 kB, Installed size: 2204 kB |
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| 07:18.33 | derek6543 | i usually get the brown shit |
| 07:18.44 | stoned | yes, enough weed chat |
| 07:18.50 | derek6543 | hehe |
| 07:19.08 | ootput | appropriate name |
| 07:19.15 | ootput | :) |
| 07:19.32 | stoned | oot in my lan. means stupidl/clumsy |
| 07:19.42 | Ts0p | jetscreamer can u help me plz |
| 07:19.43 | stoned | heh |
| 07:20.10 | Paivakil | Ts0p: you just installed debian? |
| 07:20.12 | jetscreamer | help what.. but it's best just to ask your question |
| 07:20.26 | Ts0p | i want to install kismet |
| 07:20.38 | jetscreamer | i'm useless with wireless, but apt-get install kismet |
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| 07:21.09 | stoned | jetscreamer, do you know why packages sometimes leave testing, but remain in stable/sid |
| 07:21.23 | ootput | Ts0p: ask jetscreamer. he's knowledgeable folk |
| 07:21.24 | Ts0p | jetscreamer thanks man |
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| 07:22.32 | jetscreamer | because they ain't fixed yet, (basically&broadly) and/or conflict with other stuff |
| 07:22.32 | jetscreamer | dependencies |
| 07:23.48 | jetscreamer | you'll sometimes find xorg being uninstalled because of nvidia-glx, for instance |
| 07:23.58 | jetscreamer | in etch |
| 07:24.03 | stoned | i give up |
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| 07:24.19 | stoned | i can't work ubuntu, its a piece of mindblowingly retarded poop |
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| 07:25.15 | Ts0p | jetscreamer one last quistion for tonight and i'm going to bed...where can i find the dir for that pkg kismet after it is installed? |
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| 07:25.57 | jetscreamer | that's a very good question Ts0p ... :) try updatedb && locate kismet , or just dpkg -l kismet |
| 07:26.08 | stoned | -L |
| 07:26.17 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 07:26.48 | jetscreamer | it's fun to help the clubies in #ubuntu sometimes though |
| 07:26.54 | stoned | heh |
| 07:26.56 | stoned | yeah |
| 07:27.00 | stoned | I tried running it |
| 07:27.07 | stoned | is my 4th day of kubuntu, bogus man |
| 07:27.17 | stoned | i can't dig it |
| 07:27.29 | jetscreamer | i know a guy who likes kubuntu, and he's no clubie |
| 07:27.32 | stoned | not downing on anyone or anybody, its just not for me |
| 07:27.38 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 07:27.43 | jetscreamer | maybe it's the K |
| 07:27.58 | stoned | btw, whats the diff between 386 and 686 kernel |
| 07:28.07 | Ts0p | i am lost ...what i'm trying to do is to read the readme file that came with the kismet |
| 07:28.27 | stoned | i have a p4 2.4ghz. what advantage do i have by running the 686version of the kernel |
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| 07:30.09 | sep | stoned ~2% speed increase. :) |
| 07:30.17 | jetscreamer | -386 is a generic kernel that will run on a 386 |
| 07:30.36 | cafuego | jetscreamer: a 386 with 32Mb of ram perhaps |
| 07:30.51 | jetscreamer | -686 and -k7 are optimized for the processor... also, udev doesn't work with a -386 kernel (thank god) |
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| 07:31.24 | jetscreamer | always have a kernel you know wil boot available :) |
| 07:31.58 | stoned | ahh |
| 07:32.03 | stoned | no wonder |
| 07:32.04 | sep | stoned, jetscreamer have a good point. i allways have the 386 kernel in the grub boot meny incase i fsck up my system |
| 07:32.22 | jarango | I need help getting an ice1724 to work with SPDIF |
| 07:32.26 | stoned | yeh me too |
| 07:32.31 | stoned | i just wondering |
| 07:32.33 | derek6543 | udev is whack |
| 07:32.40 | stoned | so if its optimized how come its a negative 2% speed |
| 07:32.48 | stoned | how can speed be -. does it make it slower? |
| 07:32.49 | Ts0p | jetscreamer ctrl alt f1 |
| 07:32.54 | jetscreamer | it's very whack with multiple controller cards |
| 07:32.58 | Ts0p | what if i want to go back |
| 07:33.03 | jetscreamer | alt f7 |
| 07:33.11 | sep | speed increase i said. ?? who said anything about slower |
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| 07:33.31 | Ts0p | that should b it for tonight |
| 07:33.40 | Ts0p | thanks very much |
| 07:33.41 | jetscreamer | you can run irssi in an xterm also, from the gui. and, you can get fancy with the screen program, later on. |
| 07:33.42 | stoned | sep stoned ~2% speed increase. :) |
| 07:33.43 | jetscreamer | np |
| 07:33.46 | stoned | negative 2 |
| 07:33.49 | stoned | right there |
| 07:33.53 | stoned | that makes it slower yeah |
| 07:33.53 | sep | ~ is not - |
| 07:33.55 | jetscreamer | no, +/- |
| 07:33.58 | Ts0p | good night all |
| 07:33.59 | jetscreamer | approx |
| 07:34.00 | stoned | huh |
| 07:34.01 | jetscreamer | nn |
| 07:34.07 | stoned | - is not - |
| 07:34.13 | sep | it means aproximatly 2 % speed increase |
| 07:34.15 | jetscreamer | ~ != - |
| 07:34.21 | derek6543 | gnight |
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| 07:34.22 | jetscreamer | ~ is a tilde |
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| 07:34.23 | stoned | i dont' see a difference |
| 07:34.23 | sep | but i can't spell that :/ |
| 07:34.25 | stoned | ohh |
| 07:34.30 | stoned | oh man, |
| 07:34.36 | stoned | fuckin font man, sorry dude |
| 07:34.47 | sep | stoned, and the difference varies with what you run ofcouse. so :) |
| 07:35.16 | stoned | so what is udev and why is it evil? |
| 07:35.19 | stoned | !udev |
| 07:35.19 | dpkg | hmm... udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 07:35.37 | jetscreamer | it pretties up your /dev dir and detects stuff |
| 07:35.51 | jetscreamer | like i need it |
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| 07:35.56 | sep | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html |
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| 07:36.16 | jetscreamer | ///usr/share/docs/udev iirc |
| 07:37.13 | jetscreamer | oh and it likes to switch hde to hda when your hw is configured 'properly' |
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| 07:37.28 | jetscreamer | but that's hw specific imo |
| 07:37.38 | stoned | i need new software, but i need sarge stability, what am i to do |
| 07:37.49 | jetscreamer | OMG RichiH nooooo! |
| 07:38.18 | jetscreamer | etch is a good compromise for that imo, but there's always backports |
| 07:38.22 | jetscreamer | !backports |
| 07:38.22 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 07:39.03 | stoned | so i could do backport on pretty much anything |
| 07:39.31 | stoned | hmm |
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| 07:40.39 | halifax | hello, could anybody give me the resolution for that tabular problem ---> http://pastebin.com/568192 |
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| 07:43.07 | Jeeves_Moss | all: good morning all |
| 07:43.22 | derek6543 | hello |
| 07:43.38 | derek6543 | well im off,cya all later |
| 07:43.40 | Jeeves_Moss | all: <streaches and yawns> man, its dead in here |
| 07:43.42 | derek6543 | peace! |
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| 07:55.42 | Azar | tarzeau, if I download games from sourceforge, will I have issues while sitting with Sarge? |
| 07:55.57 | Azar | I really want this game: tavli3d |
| 07:56.04 | Azar | :) |
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| 07:57.19 | phobo | when is Etch beta2 earmarked for arrival? |
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| 07:57.49 | jetscreamer | that would be the beta2 installer i take it |
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| 07:57.55 | SlayerXP | phobo: no later than 20.11 |
| 07:58.09 | jetscreamer | certainly no later than 1/1/4000 |
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| 08:01.41 | tarzeau | Azar: nope, should be fine, try |
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| 08:02.13 | Azar | tarzeau :) for slash'em what is better: x11, sdl or gtk version? |
| 08:02.30 | dagbrown | SDL |
| 08:02.30 | tarzeau | Azar: i've never liked slash'em, and i've only seen console one... |
| 08:02.40 | wn_ | hey guys, there is 2 email account on an old server that I am trying to track down how they were setup.. any idea where to start? they do not have user accounts |
| 08:02.44 | tarzeau | Azar: i'd go this way though 1) sdl, 2) x11, 3) gtk |
| 08:02.59 | Azar | http://www.slashem.org/ |
| 08:03.37 | Azar | ..since the maintainer of several graphical nethack never finish any of them and Vulture looks horrible |
| 08:03.55 | tarzeau | Azar: the noegnu3d.sf.net one? |
| 08:04.10 | tarzeau | Azar: wow 3d backgammon! you play backgammon? can it do networking? |
| 08:04.27 | Azar | dunno, but I love backgammon |
| 08:04.30 | tarzeau | Azar: or 2d mode for poor graphic card users? (or even textmode). if it can do networking, i'll package it right away |
| 08:04.39 | tarzeau | Azar: me too. backgammon is TEH game in turkey... |
| 08:04.40 | Azar | I have one but is small screen and not 3d |
| 08:05.02 | Azar | I played since kid with my gramps and beat the hell outa him |
| 08:05.02 | fireba11 | tarzeau: hehe |
| 08:05.49 | Azar | tarzeau, what can I say is past midnight, tomorrow early I have to go to work but I hit the honeypot with gaming sites, I steer at each |
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| 08:07.17 | tarzeau | Azar: i'll download it and have a look |
| 08:07.26 | tarzeau | Azar: sf.net page already has .deb ... |
| 08:07.39 | tarzeau | Azar: but the morons don't put it into debian |
| 08:07.55 | tarzeau | i hate the morons that make deb packages and don't have deb source packages, nor put it into debian |
| 08:07.58 | tarzeau | MORONS |
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| 08:08.08 | goran | is it possible to make a copy of a package with all its dependencies? |
| 08:08.19 | tarzeau | goran: apt-get install -d pkg |
| 08:08.45 | dondelelcaro | goran: you're going to need some apt-rdepends magic ontop of that. |
| 08:08.46 | tarzeau | goran: and maybe see debian repackage |
| 08:08.58 | tarzeau | s,debian,dpkg, |
| 08:09.14 | goran | tarzeau, sorry, i have not made myself clear. the package is already installed on the disk. i want to copy it over to another installation on another partition. |
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| 08:09.55 | tarzeau | goran: dpkg-repack - puts an unpacked .deb file back together |
| 08:10.09 | Azar | maybe because has bugs |
| 08:10.21 | wn_ | /etc/alias |
| 08:11.34 | goran | tarzeau, so if i want to copy an installed package such as openoffice oo, hwo would i do it? |
| 08:11.48 | tarzeau | goran: man dpkg-repack |
| 08:12.06 | Brainwalker | morning |
| 08:12.23 | jetscreamer | or cp the .debs from /var/apt/cache/archives if you didn't erase em |
| 08:13.46 | goran | jetscreamer, no i have not erase those archives. i still got to know which .deb(s) for which program. |
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| 08:14.58 | goran | jetscreamer, cp over the deb and do a dpkg -i sometimes throw out a lot dependencies msgs. |
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| 08:21.37 | dorileo | why debmake is depricated? what's its replacement? |
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| 08:23.31 | goran | dpkg-repack will do. it will be done in command-line mode. can i use kpackage-manager or synaptic to cp package fr one fs to another? |
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| 08:24.56 | jetscreamer | that's why you would need 'all' the .debs |
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| 08:26.02 | Azar | bah I only got toppler and mirrormagic so far |
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| 08:27.50 | goran | jetscreamer, another is to install those packages in the archives with 'apt-get install'? how to specify the ../archives in sources.list? |
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| 08:27.55 | TheBest | [09:27:33] <TML> TheBest: Your system doesn't have the mysql extension |
| 08:27.59 | jetscreamer | if pdo works it will give you a list of dependencies |
| 08:28.01 | TheBest | how i install theat ? |
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| 08:28.18 | jetscreamer | if it's in the archives dir it' shouldn't need to d/l them again |
| 08:28.25 | jetscreamer | 'shouldn't' |
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| 08:28.58 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 08:29.10 | goran | jetscreamer: true, cp over and do a dpkg -i. |
| 08:29.18 | TheBest | !tell thebest about mysql extension install |
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| 08:30.26 | TheBest | !tell thebest about mysql-extension |
| 08:30.34 | TheBest | !tell thebest about mysql |
| 08:30.53 | jetscreamer | aapt-cache search mysql , add | grep -i extension if wanted |
| 08:30.54 | sep | TheBest, do that in /msg |
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| 08:31.09 | sep | !tell thebest about php mysql |
| 08:31.26 | karsten | TheBest: "/msg dpkg foo" please |
| 08:31.30 | sep | !tell thebest about listkeys |
| 08:33.03 | dorileo | trying debstd in grub source I got this message: ./debian/grub-doc.info: line 1: docs/grub.info: Permission denied |
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| 08:33.28 | dorileo | does anybody know why I'm getting this error? |
| 08:33.37 | karsten | dorileo: Check permissions on the info page. |
| 08:33.49 | karsten | dorileo: ... or its parent directory. Looks like you don't have read access. |
| 08:34.24 | dorileo | I have |
| 08:34.32 | TheBest | in php.ini i have " ;extension=mysql.so " i must take ";" out |
| 08:34.37 | dorileo | karsten: -rwxr--r-- |
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| 08:34.54 | jetscreamer | i don't suppose it matters if you have grub-doc installed or not |
| 08:34.56 | karsten | dorileo: Um. What's debstd? |
| 08:35.06 | dorileo | karsten: changed the whole directory to 777 didn't work... |
| 08:35.13 | karsten | jetscreamer: Should default to the manpage IIRC. |
| 08:35.33 | dorileo | karsten: I'm not sure but I gess it's to generate a .deb from a debian/rules |
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| 08:36.04 | karsten | TheBest: I believe it's commented by default, with a comment above that telling you why and what to do. |
| 08:36.07 | karsten | dorileo: Hrm. |
| 08:36.26 | karsten | dorileo: Um. Are you trying to create a file but not as root? |
| 08:36.26 | jetscreamer | man grub != info grub, as to what you get (iirc, can't check don't have grub installed, just grub-doc) |
| 08:36.38 | dorileo | karsten: I'm root |
| 08:36.55 | karsten | dorileo: hrm... |
| 08:37.06 | karsten | dorileo: Can you paste full command and output? /msg dpkg paster |
| 08:37.28 | ber | does anyone know how to invoke mozilla from a batch "at" script that displays to the main console at a given time? |
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| 08:37.47 | dorileo | ops |
| 08:37.58 | karsten | ber: You'll have to set DISPLAY=0:0 and make sure it's running as user who owns the X session. |
| 08:38.02 | karsten | dorileo: ? |
| 08:38.06 | dorileo | ------------- debstd processing for GNU/Linux -------------- |
| 08:38.10 | dorileo | -- Installing Documentation |
| 08:38.12 | karsten | dorileo: Don't paste here. |
| 08:38.14 | dorileo | -- Looking for manpages in sourcepackage |
| 08:38.14 | TheBest | how i install php/extensions.ini ?? |
| 08:38.18 | dorileo | Manpage grub.8 exists. |
| 08:38.22 | dorileo | Manpage mbchk.1 exists. |
| 08:38.26 | dorileo | Manpage grub-install.8 exists. |
| 08:38.27 | karsten | !tell dorileo about flood |
| 08:38.29 | Gnea | huh |
| 08:38.30 | dorileo | Manpage grub-md5-crypt.8 exists. |
| 08:38.34 | dorileo | Manpage grub-terminfo.8 exists. |
| 08:38.35 | karsten | dorileo: Stop |
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| 08:38.38 | dorileo | Manpage grub.8 exists. |
| 08:38.39 | Gnea | !tell dorileo about paste |
| 08:38.42 | dorileo | Manpage grub-install.8 exists. |
| 08:38.46 | dorileo | Manpage grub-md5-crypt.8 exists. |
| 08:38.46 | karsten | Gnea: It's been done. |
| 08:38.50 | dorileo | Manpage grub-terminfo.8 exists. |
| 08:38.50 | ber | I have done that. specifically I've tried 'mozilla -display=):0.0 |
| 08:38.53 | karsten | dorileo: Please quit your client and restart. |
| 08:38.54 | dorileo | Manpage mkbimage.8 exists. |
| 08:38.58 | dorileo | Manpage update-grub.8 exists. |
| 08:39.01 | Gnea | karsten: you did flood, i did paste. 'nuff said. |
| 08:39.02 | dorileo | Manpage grub-reboot.8 exists. |
| 08:39.06 | dorileo | Manpage grub-floppy.8 exists. |
| 08:39.10 | dorileo | Manpage mbchk.1 exists. |
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| 08:39.14 | dorileo | Manpage mkbimage.8 exists. |
| 08:39.18 | dorileo | Manpage update-grub.8 exists. |
| 08:39.21 | karsten | !ops please kick dorileo flood. |
| 08:39.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please kick dorileo flood. |
| 08:39.22 | dorileo | Manpage grub-reboot.8 exists. |
| 08:39.22 | jetscreamer | man grub != info grub |
| 08:39.26 | dorileo | Manpage grub-floppy.8 exists. |
| 08:39.30 | dorileo | ** Package grub-disk |
| 08:39.31 | id23 | hi - i get a classpath error when starting tomcat4 using kaffe as JM |
| 08:39.34 | dorileo | -- Checking for executable binaries in package |
| 08:39.38 | dorileo | No executables or libraries in the package! |
| 08:39.42 | dorileo | -- Checking Symlinks |
| 08:39.46 | dorileo | dpkg-deb: building package `grub-disk' in `../grub-disk_0.97-4_all.deb'. |
| 08:39.50 | dorileo | ** Package grub-doc |
| 08:39.54 | dorileo | -- Installing info files |
| 08:39.56 | id23 | Please check your CLASSPATH and your installation. |
| 08:39.56 | id23 | java/lang/ExceptionInInitializerError |
| 08:39.56 | id23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.58 | dorileo | ./debian/grub-doc.info: line 1: docs/grub.info: Permission denied |
| 08:39.59 | dorileo | ok.... I understode |
| 08:39.59 | dorileo | I'm sorry |
| 08:40.07 | id23 | on debian sarge |
| 08:40.15 | jetscreamer | !flt |
| 08:40.18 | dorileo | karsten: why are you asking me to restart? |
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| 08:40.24 | jetscreamer | to stop the flood |
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| 08:41.10 | karsten | jetscreamer: ?? |
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| 08:41.41 | Gnea | id23: how did you install java? |
| 08:41.51 | Gnea | id23: and what version of java? |
| 08:41.57 | jetscreamer | i can see your confusion, karsten |
| 08:42.08 | ber | hdoes anyone know how to invoke mozilla from a batch "at"? I'ved tried 'mozilla -dispaly=:0 filename.html' but it waits for 10 seconds then ends. |
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| 08:42.30 | id23 | kaffe 1.1.5 installed together with tomcat |
| 08:42.37 | karsten | ber: Try spelling display properly. |
| 08:42.39 | Gnea | ber: tried a & after all that? |
| 08:42.49 | dorileo | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1913 |
| 08:42.56 | ber | lol. I tried that;) |
| 08:43.03 | jetscreamer | which though |
| 08:43.21 | karsten | ber: and I think you want "DISPLAY=0:0 mozilla <URL>" |
| 08:43.25 | Gnea | id23: yeah, but what version of *java*? |
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| 08:43.54 | id23 | Engine: Interpreter Version: 1.1.5 Java Version: 1.1 |
| 08:43.58 | Gnea | id23: java --version <--- what does that say? |
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| 08:44.06 | ber | I don't follow? ok, I will try it |
| 08:44.39 | karsten | dorileo: Does 'docs' exist within your build / package tree? |
| 08:44.53 | karsten | dorileo: ... and are permissions appropriately set? Is it not a bad symlink somewhere? |
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| 08:45.03 | id23 | Engine: Interpreter Version: 1.1.5 Java Version: 1.1 <- last line from java --version |
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| 08:45.38 | karsten | dorileo: ... and is there a verbose option you can invoke when running that command? It'd be useful to see just what command is being executed. |
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| 08:45.47 | karsten | dorileo: ... or lynched, as the case may be. |
| 08:46.01 | Gnea | id23: interesting - what method did you use to install all this? using a .run or .bin file, or installing actual .debs? |
| 08:46.39 | jetscreamer | (or did you crate a .deb from a .bin :) ) |
| 08:46.52 | jetscreamer | *create |
| 08:46.56 | goran | can i specify my ../archives as a repository in sources.list? |
| 08:47.06 | jetscreamer | you shouldn't need to |
| 08:47.07 | id23 | apt-get install tomcat4 tomcat4-admin tomcat4-webapps - from the debian amd64 aloith repository - running sarge |
| 08:47.19 | dorel | if i install kernel 2.6 on sarge do i need to do apt-get upgrade && dist-upgrade and change all of my sources to testing? |
| 08:47.21 | jetscreamer | !repository |
| 08:47.21 | dpkg | debian repository is probably a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
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| 08:47.24 | ackron | does debian have a legal groep? To inform about company's using debian in their own secure appliance withouth any reference to debian or the GPL |
| 08:47.30 | Gnea | oh this is on a 64bit? hrm... |
| 08:47.33 | ackron | !legal |
| 08:47.34 | dpkg | who cares? |
| 08:47.35 | jetscreamer | !legal |
| 08:47.44 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 08:47.54 | jetscreamer | there's a debian legal group somewhere |
| 08:47.57 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 08:48.03 | goran | jetscreamer: i have tried without it. when i do a dpkg -i <package> then only i was told that i need to install other packages first. |
| 08:48.11 | ber | karsten - I tried that, it didnt work |
| 08:48.27 | Gnea | ackron: Debian is 'free software' in the 'public domain', there is no corporate bits attached to it. |
| 08:48.27 | jetscreamer | goran: so use a package manager and it will install the missing, and finish up the other |
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| 08:48.56 | dorel | guys |
| 08:49.04 | Gnea | ackron: there are a scant few sub-distributions of Debian that are backed by a company, but only those particular sub-distros and not debian itself |
| 08:49.04 | goran | jetscreamer, such as kpackage-manager or synaptic? |
| 08:49.06 | ackron | Gnea: Yes i know but all software created by the debian team is GPL licensed right |
| 08:49.12 | jetscreamer | goran: yeah |
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| 08:49.18 | dorel | if i install kernel 2.6 on sarge do i need to do apt-get upgrade && dist-upgrade and change all of my sources to testing? |
| 08:49.24 | Gnea | ackron: yeah, what's that got to do with anything? |
| 08:49.31 | twb | OK, I really suck at grep-dctrl. Can someone hold my hand just this once? I'm trying to list all the packages that are installed and in Section: games or non-free/games or contrib/games. |
| 08:49.34 | ber | anyone else have any ideas on how I caninvoke mozilla to the console screen from an at job? |
| 08:49.34 | goran | jetscreamer, i'll try that. |
| 08:49.38 | jetscreamer | only if you wanna upgrade to etch, dorel |
| 08:49.42 | Gnea | dorel: no |
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| 08:49.55 | sep | !debian-legal |
| 08:49.55 | dpkg | [debian-legal] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/ |
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| 08:50.00 | karsten | ber: What's the error message? |
| 08:50.00 | Gnea | ber: you can't. |
| 08:50.03 | dorel | jetscreamer: ok. so i can work with 2.6 kernel with my usual system? |
| 08:50.03 | twb | Hmm... grep-status -FSection -sPackages -n games ? |
| 08:50.16 | ber | Gnea: why not? |
| 08:50.20 | karsten | ber: Create a shell script. "export DISPLAY=0:0; mozilla <url>" |
| 08:50.24 | jetscreamer | dorel: if it's properly installed yeah sure |
| 08:50.25 | dorel | cool thanks. |
| 08:50.32 | ber | karstenL no error message. just dies |
| 08:50.33 | Gnea | ber: only if there is a display that's running to show it on |
| 08:50.46 | karsten | ber: ... and invoke that from cron. |
| 08:51.14 | ber | Gnea: I have that |
| 08:51.16 | ackron | Gnea: so if the package dpkg or apt is being used in an appliance the company should make all the sources available right |
| 08:51.28 | karsten | ber: ... what Gnea said as well. This assumes you're running as the user who owns the display, and other stuff. You may need to do some trickery if you want a general solution. |
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| 08:52.16 | jm_ | twb: grep-status -F Status 'install ok installed' -a -F Section games -s Package as a hint |
| 08:52.31 | ber | I'd be willing to kludge. Does that batch job need to be run from cron or can I get away with running it from "at" |
| 08:52.38 | Gnea | ackron: you know what, I"m really not 100% sure about how all the pieces fall into place, but http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/ ought to have some answers, and if not, that'd be the place to ask |
| 08:52.42 | karsten | ackron: There's no distro-wide acknowledgement required. Licensing requirements of individual apps must be adhered to. For the most part that's GPL, LGPL, BSD, MIT, and Apache licenses (to about 98% approximation). |
| 08:52.56 | twb | jm_: thank you. |
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| 08:53.19 | karsten | ackron: If you're aware of a GPL infringement, inform the project in question. The FSF have a FAQ page on this. |
| 08:54.24 | Gnea | ackron: it really depends what piece of code the company wrote and what it depends on in order to function |
| 08:54.45 | twb | jm_: hmm, that didn't list bb, which is "upgradable". |
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| 08:55.28 | jm_ | twb: yes, adjust it to suit your needs |
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| 08:56.36 | twb | jm_: ok. |
| 08:56.45 | ackron | Currently they are using a Debian Stable 3.1 in their appliance the are even using the Debian issue file. but in the documentation their is nothing about the source code or the GPL license they even don't mention the Linux trademark |
| 08:57.01 | jm_ | twb: you can say change -F Status to -F Status -e 'bla|bla' |
| 08:57.45 | twb | jm_: I think I'm getting the hang of it. |
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| 08:58.31 | Gnea | ackron: IOW, there isn't someone or a company to go to to ask questions and get proper answers from, such as a commercial version of linux? |
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| 09:02.43 | ReWT_ | err wheres the windows 95 channel? |
| 09:02.56 | ReWT_ | because Bill Gates pwns! |
| 09:02.59 | bucky | #windows |
| 09:03.01 | ReWT_ | heh jk. |
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| 09:05.23 | goran | jetscreamer, the idea doesn't work. those debs will not appear in package list, they are not packages yet. |
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| 09:06.43 | liable | !test |
| 09:06.43 | dpkg | Sorry, liable, I didn't get your test. |
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| 09:07.04 | cklaus | hello all.. anybody has experience with icp-raid controllers in debian ? is it true, that they're true hardware raid ? (so no driver / module / whatever is needed to work properly with linux) ? |
| 09:08.46 | jm_ | cklaus: well you need a driver to do it |
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| 09:09.12 | d4d0|work | hi @all |
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| 09:09.31 | Paivakil | Gnea: the words `in the public domain' has a specific meaning in the legal sense, and it means `not copyrighted'; please do not use it while referring to copylefted/Free (as in freedom) software |
| 09:09.38 | d4d0|work | there was a sarge netinstaller with 2.6.14 flying around, i lost the link. can anybody hook me up? |
| 09:10.00 | jm_ | that feller now has Sarge 2.6.15 |
| 09:11.04 | d4d0|work | jm_: that sounds good. can you provide me a link? |
| 09:11.13 | jm_ | d4d0|work: no, but dpkg can ;) |
| 09:11.16 | jm_ | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 09:11.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 09:11.28 | jm_ | browse arround the site, click on 2006 and you'll get a link to .15 too |
| 09:11.41 | d4d0|work | thanks guys |
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| 09:18.13 | debunia | howdy all |
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| 09:18.36 | debunia | i've forgotten my root password and remember last time i forgot i booted up with some special parameters and could change it again. |
| 09:18.43 | debunia | anyone can help ? would be excellent. |
| 09:19.27 | jm_ | !tell debunia -about i forgot root's password |
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| 09:19.51 | danboid | Anyone know how I might get USB disks working properly under Debian/GNOME, either auto-opening or opening when double-clicked under 'Computer'? |
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| 09:20.42 | danboid | They do show up under 'Computer', just give some mounting error when I double-click on it |
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| 09:23.01 | Paivakil | danboid: look into /etc/fstab; you will need to be mount to |
| 09:23.13 | Paivakil | s/mount to / root to modify that file |
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| 09:23.53 | Nurbs_ | s-$-/- |
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| 09:24.16 | danboid | paivakil: sorry, I need to modify fstab as root and change what? |
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| 09:24.41 | jm_ | you can also try using usbmount, but if GNOME fails it's best to find out why it fails |
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| 09:25.17 | danboid | jm_: I don't know what usbmount is |
| 09:25.26 | jm_ | danboid: apt-cache show usbmount |
| 09:25.31 | HaYaLeT | hello |
| 09:25.31 | danboid | is it a daemon? |
| 09:25.40 | bkankur | hello friends i want to install realplayer to listen online songs so can any one help me in this pls |
| 09:26.00 | HaYaLeT | eywallah |
| 09:26.02 | HaYaLeT | kardeþ |
| 09:26.05 | Paivakil | danboid: specify the device and mount point for the device in /etc/fstab'; issue teh command `man 5 fstab' from a console / gnome terminal |
| 09:26.15 | Paivakil | bkankur: google for marillat |
| 09:26.24 | streuner | marillat? |
| 09:26.54 | HaYaLeT | http://www.sonsuzsohbet.com |
| 09:27.11 | Paivakil | bkankur: you can install mplayer, which will play most media in real format; else go to real audio;s download site and install their application |
| 09:27.30 | Paivakil | bkankur: you will get mplayer from marillat |
| 09:28.33 | streuner | !marillat |
| 09:28.33 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> |
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| 09:29.16 | streuner | !info helixplayer |
| 09:29.26 | danboid | jm: yes, usbmount sounds like what I needed. I've installed it now. Should it just be a case of rebooting and usb disks should work ok? |
| 09:29.56 | bkankur | dpkg: can i use mplayer to listen online songs |
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| 09:30.19 | jm_ | danboid: you shouldn't need to reboot, it should just work |
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| 09:31.18 | streuner | bkankur: xmms |
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| 09:31.38 | sanxiyn | This is lovely: |
| 09:31.38 | sanxiyn | http://www.grep.be/blog/en/computer/cluebat/monit_hmm.php |
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| 09:33.20 | danboid | nah. same error occurs. When I plug my usb disc in it appears but says 'disk already mounted' when under ubuntu it would open up a nayilus window to show me whats on the disk- this is what I want so I don't have to change to /media/usbdisk |
| 09:33.38 | danboid | edit fstab then? |
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| 09:34.33 | jm_ | that won't help then, you need to find out why it doesn't work |
| 09:35.42 | danboid | jm: do you not use gnome yourself then? |
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| 09:36.39 | bkankur | hello friends.... i want to hear live music from www.raaga.com or some other sites.. and they are using realplayer.. so how can i hear songs in debain... anyone please |
| 09:37.24 | jm_ | danboid: correct |
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| 09:38.38 | maxweber_ | hello, are there known access problems with http://lists.debian.org/ ? |
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| 09:39.08 | Paivakil | bkankur: you sure raaga.com sends songs in realaudio format |
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| 09:39.25 | niggy | startkeylogger |
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| 09:39.46 | niggy | wat |
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| 09:43.14 | bkankur | when i open www.raaga.com its asking me for "Macromedia Flash Player" |
| 09:43.30 | bkankur | how to download that one now..please |
| 09:43.31 | Paivakil | aw; that is not Real |
| 09:44.10 | Paivakil | bkankur: apt-get install libflash-mozplugin |
| 09:44.31 | Paivakil | and restart mozilla |
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| 09:44.44 | locus | hmm, anyone ever created a .deb with a custom PREFIX? even if I configure the Makefile using a custom PREFIX, the package installs everything under /usr |
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| 09:46.02 | bkankur | paivakil: it gives the error.. there is no plugin like that in 14 cd set |
| 09:46.38 | debunia | why wont that password recovery work with grub as the boot loader? |
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| 09:48.32 | jetscreamer | you have to hit e and add init line |
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| 09:48.45 | jetscreamer | 'should' work.. doesn't? |
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| 09:49.44 | jetscreamer | bkankur: you probably won't get the flash working, and you need contrib non-free in sources... also maybe one like marillat |
| 09:49.50 | jetscreamer | startkeylogger ? |
| 09:50.13 | Paivakil | bkankur: please sign up on ilug-delhi mailing list; and ask there |
| 09:50.14 | jetscreamer | !realplayer |
| 09:50.15 | dpkg | i heard realplayer is RealNetworks's proprietary media player, which can read RealAudio and RealVideo, or http://www.real.com/linux/ or ask me about helix player, or ask me about real codecs |
| 09:50.36 | jetscreamer | !tell bkankur -about real codecs |
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| 09:51.06 | bkankur | Paivakil: when i try with firefox.. i wont get flash plugin error.... the song is not starting so can you pls try to play any song. |
| 09:51.45 | Paivakil | bkankur: flash plugin is not related to playing streaming audio; please reak the links posted by dpkg above |
| 09:51.55 | Paivakil | s/reak/read |
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| 09:52.52 | Paivakil | also, see if you have a private message from dpkg |
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| 09:55.30 | debunia | does anyone know how to recover a lost root password? i'm using grub as my boot loader |
| 09:56.00 | flart | yes |
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| 09:56.19 | debunia | is there a man out then, that i can look at ? |
| 09:56.26 | debunia | there |
| 09:56.51 | flart | init=/bin/sh |
| 09:57.03 | SlayerXP | debunia: oddly, we're not going to help you break into a linux box. |
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| 09:57.24 | SlayerXP | !lost root password |
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| 09:58.17 | jm_ | SlayerXP: I gave him that factoid earlier |
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| 09:58.41 | bkankur | paivakil : yeah i got the idea that flash doesnot has to do any thing with realplayer. the thing is instead of using firefox i used konquere which doesnot have flash.. so i again open www.raaga.com and try to play song and getting stuck. |
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| 09:58.54 | SlayerXP | jm_: get the clue didn't sink in |
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| 09:59.50 | Paivakil | bkankur: you need to download the realplayer plugin from the url dpkg gave you earlier |
| 09:59.51 | bkankur | paivakil: when i play songs from windows its ask realplayer to install first. thats the reason why i am asking for realplayer |
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| 10:02.01 | foks | hi |
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| 10:04.21 | debunia | it's my router which i haven't touched in like a year |
| 10:04.42 | poncha|laptop | guys, why would "libmysqlclient14" have a *depend* on "libmysqlclient15" ?? (mysql-server-4.1 has depend on libmysqlclient14" and since "libmysqlclient15" depends on mysql-common which is v.5.0 it makes mysql server v4.1 uninstallable.. |
| 10:04.42 | dorel | hey guys |
| 10:04.43 | debunia | i'm wanting to change a few settings as my host has changed |
| 10:04.58 | debunia | i can't because i've forgotten my root password |
| 10:05.09 | debunia | when i hit F8 and go into the grub boot loader |
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| 10:05.17 | debunia | and hit 'c' for cmd line |
| 10:05.26 | debunia | it won't recognise the init=/bin/sh cmd |
| 10:05.38 | Diazepam | anyone recommend a data recovery tool ? accidently deleted some files |
| 10:05.49 | SlayerXP | Diazepam: restore from your backup |
| 10:05.54 | debunia | diazepam: use R-Undelete |
| 10:05.54 | Cyorxamp | Hi I just installed debian a fresh with the Desktop, File Server and Print Server packages installed - Does anyone know of a simple way of creating a samba share? |
| 10:06.07 | SlayerXP | debunia: your google-fu is weak. and we still won't help you break into a system. |
| 10:06.15 | Diazepam | debunia - R-Undelete |
| 10:06.15 | debunia | slayerXP: lol |
| 10:06.23 | Diazepam | thanks |
| 10:06.26 | debunia | np mate |
| 10:06.32 | dorel | lol slayer |
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| 10:06.49 | debunia | slayerXP: it's not breaking in it's my own hardware sitting right in front of me |
| 10:06.49 | Diazepam | Slayer XP - didnt have a chance to back up - created and deleted the file in the same evening! |
| 10:06.49 | dorel | im putting that in the topic HEH |
| 10:07.25 | SlayerXP | Diazepam: bad luck, sucks to be you. |
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| 10:07.40 | debunia | diazepam: a lot of data recovery tools require you to mount it's own install, although R-Undelete allows you to run it from windows. |
| 10:07.52 | debunia | i'm not too sure of any nix* based progs |
| 10:08.07 | debunia | maybe run it in wine |
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| 10:08.40 | Diazepam | hmmm debunia - i was hoping for a linux based ap |
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| 10:08.56 | debunia | linux+data+recovery |
| 10:09.10 | debunia | use the so called google-fu i lack :P |
| 10:09.53 | debunia | SlayerXP: please can you help me... |
| 10:10.09 | debunia | i want to get my new c/n cranking through this firewall. |
| 10:10.29 | SlayerXP | debunia: if you can't break into a linux box that you have physical access to then, frankly, you're not qualified to have root access anyway |
| 10:10.50 | flart | right |
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| 10:11.02 | Paivakil | SlayerXP: :-) |
| 10:11.06 | Kakihara | I created a 30GB ext3 partition to set up a dual boot system . I then booted from the installation CD. On that machine I'm now looking at installation options that I don't believe are covered in the handbook |
| 10:11.14 | streuner | SlayerXP: good morning ;-) |
| 10:11.23 | SlayerXP | streuner: hiya |
| 10:11.46 | jetscreamer | !i forgot root's password |
| 10:11.46 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 10:12.40 | Cyorxamp | Hi I just installed debian a fresh with the Desktop, File Server and Print Server packages installed - Does anyone know of a simple way of creating a samba share? |
| 10:12.50 | poncha|laptop | Cyorxamp, man smb.conf ; vi /etc/samba/smb.conf OR use webmin or smth... (apt-get install webmin-samba ) |
| 10:13.11 | poncha|laptop | but samba configs are really not that hard to write |
| 10:13.16 | Kakihara | would anyone mind if I PM's them for some guidance with the installation options I'm looking at please? |
| 10:13.58 | Kakihara | PM'd |
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| 10:14.45 | Cyorxamp | ok I think I have webmin installed now |
| 10:14.48 | Cyorxamp | how do I run it? |
| 10:15.30 | pureone | !webmin |
| 10:15.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 10:16.33 | Cyorxamp | poncha|laptop ? |
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| 10:17.24 | jarango | How do I set the default alsa device in mplayer's conf file ? |
| 10:17.37 | poncha|laptop | Cyorxamp, if it is running, you should be ablt to enter http://127.0.0.1:10000 (or different ip if thats not a local machine) into your browser and will have a web interface |
| 10:17.45 | poncha|laptop | s/ablt/able |
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| 10:18.09 | Kakihara | Presumably if I've created an ext3 partition prior to installation, I want to select "mo, keep existing data" as the "Format the partition@ option? |
| 10:18.14 | streuner | jarango: run gmplayer and configure it there |
| 10:18.43 | jarango | streuner: Will it save the changes ? |
| 10:18.50 | streuner | sure |
| 10:18.57 | Coweater | man mplayer, it covers all configuration options |
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| 10:19.48 | jm_ | indeed, it mentiones adevice |
| 10:20.03 | jm_ | ehm device |
| 10:20.03 | Kernel_core | hi all |
| 10:20.15 | jarango | streuner:thanks |
| 10:20.26 | tijn | hey |
| 10:21.08 | Kernel_core | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.55 | ViViD | does anyone know how to add a file to a source package, like i want to have foo copied to foo/bar when performing make install |
| 10:22.19 | Coweater | Kernel_core: probably wherever you got what depends on it |
| 10:22.49 | Kernel_core | http://pdo.debian.net/unstable/comm/asterisk-h323 |
| 10:22.55 | Kernel_core | Coweater: here http://pdo.debian.net/unstable/comm/asterisk-h323 |
| 10:23.30 | Cyorxamp | poncha|laptop - it has a username/password - but its not the same as my normal one |
| 10:23.35 | Kakihara | please someone help me with this installation - I've read the installation guide, I've googled. Nothing seems to cover the partition options I'm looking at |
| 10:23.39 | Cyorxamp | i think its locked me out now |
| 10:23.50 | Coweater | Kernel_core: you're installing unstable packages on a stable/testing distro? |
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| 10:24.17 | poncha|laptop | Cyorxamp, you need to login with root there |
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| 10:24.28 | Cyorxamp | well im locked out now! |
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| 10:24.36 | Kernel_core | Coweater: I am installing unstable package on a testing/unstable debiuan |
| 10:25.33 | Coweater | Kernel_core: it says the package isn't available on that same page |
| 10:26.13 | Cyorxamp | poncha|laptop - if I am locked out... how can I undo that? |
| 10:26.24 | Kernel_core | Coweater: so I have to wait until it releases ? |
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| 10:27.01 | liable | Kakihara: how about actually explaining? |
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| 10:27.40 | Coweater | Kernel_core: seems so |
| 10:27.46 | poncha|laptop | Cyorxamp, root account cannot be locked out or anything |
| 10:27.55 | debunia | ok well thanks slayperXP |
| 10:28.01 | Cyorxamp | poncha|laptop- what!? |
| 10:28.02 | Coweater | dunno how they built a package based on a package that doesn't exist though |
| 10:28.03 | debunia | i'm now receiving; |
| 10:28.20 | debunia | exec: 247:/sbin/init: not found |
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| 10:28.27 | debunia | kernel panic: attempted to kill init!! |
| 10:28.33 | Cyorxamp | poncha|laptop - its not letting me access the page now - too many login failed attempts |
| 10:28.40 | debunia | now it looks like i've fcuked my whole machine |
| 10:28.48 | poncha|laptop | Cyorxamp, oh well.. close the browser and reopen ;) |
| 10:29.04 | poncha|laptop | its not an *account* lock |
| 10:29.09 | hamdinp | why |
| 10:29.09 | hamdinp | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 10:29.09 | hamdinp | restart from begin with download flashget in windows after pause the downloading? |
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| 10:29.41 | liable | hamdinp: err, you will have to ask windows folks that one.. |
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| 10:29.57 | Coweater | use an ftp if you want to resume for sure |
| 10:29.58 | MishMash | How can i create a tarball from a entire folder? |
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| 10:30.06 | liable | man tar? |
| 10:30.14 | MishMash | couldn't find it :S |
| 10:30.17 | SlayerXP | MishMash: you type "info tar" and start reading |
| 10:30.24 | foks | tar cf folder.tar folder/ |
| 10:30.24 | hamdinp | Coweater: thank you |
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| 10:30.43 | Kakihara | liable: I'm installing to make a dual boot sytem. I used Acronis Disk Director to create a 30GB partition to install Debian on. I booted from the installation CD I burnt and am now looking at partition options... |
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| 10:30.52 | debunia | SlayerXP: did you read what i said ? |
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| 10:31.01 | SlayerXP | debunia: unlikely. |
| 10:31.08 | liable | Kakihara: yes, and the problem is? |
| 10:31.26 | debunia | exec: 247:/sbin/init: not found |
| 10:31.28 | debunia | kernel panic: attempted to kill init!! |
| 10:31.39 | debunia | that's what i get when just trying to boot normally now. |
| 10:31.41 | debunia | great.. |
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| 10:32.11 | SlayerXP | debunia: I would go and ask your systems administrator for help. |
| 10:32.20 | blenda | does anyone know how to disable spell checking in konqueror? |
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| 10:32.36 | debunia | SlayerXP: it's a home pc running debian for my gateway / firewall. |
| 10:32.49 | debunia | please i ask for some simple helpfull suggestions and you have to be smug about it |
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| 10:33.09 | Kakihara | I select #primary which is the partition I want. That brings up a list of optioons. The second is 'Format the partition:'? Presumably I want to choose 'no, keep existing data'? |
| 10:33.42 | Kakihara | (I meant 'I select #primary3') |
| 10:34.01 | liable | Kakihara: is it a partition or empty space? if it has shit on it, then delete it, if not, it shouldnt ask. |
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| 10:34.53 | liable | Kakihara: but be carefull, once you delete it is pretty much gone forever. |
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| 10:36.12 | Kakihara | liable: I hope the partition is empty. I created it then immediately loaded from the debian cd. Windows shouldn't be able to write to ext3 anyway? |
| 10:36.42 | jm_ | Kakihara: not by default |
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| 10:37.10 | liable | Kakihara: well, there is an app to read ext3 dunno about write (i think it can) but what does windows being able to write to ext3 have to do with it? |
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| 10:38.12 | liable | Kakihara: i suggest you go back to your disk partitioning tool and double check your stuff, and actually just make free space where you want to install debian, that way you cant really go wrong. |
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| 10:40.11 | jetscreamer | rawrite reads ext2 |
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| 10:40.25 | jetscreamer | there are filesystem drivers out there though |
| 10:40.36 | jetscreamer | err |
| 10:40.43 | jetscreamer | explore2fs reads ext2 |
| 10:40.54 | jm_ | yeah two named ext2ifs for extra confusion ;) |
| 10:40.58 | Kakihara | liable: this partition is empty. The disk partition tool created and formatted it. |
| 10:40.58 | Kakihara | I just want to know the options to select so that debian uses it correctly. I want debian to create two partitions from it - 1 main and 1 swap |
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| 10:41.20 | jetscreamer | 83 is Linux, 82 is swap |
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| 10:42.29 | liable | Kakihara: just reformat it, let the installer delete it. |
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| 10:48.00 | vin` | !greetings |
| 10:48.00 | dpkg | hello, vin` |
| 10:49.11 | fooz | man this is depressing. my PC's clock is so fast that mp3s play fast :/ |
| 10:49.25 | fooz | adjtimexconfig doesn't even work on it |
| 10:50.27 | liable | different kernel? |
| 10:50.40 | Kakihara | ok |
| 10:50.40 | Kakihara | liable: Then I select 'done setting up the partition' presumably? Will the installer proceed to a screen where I can tell it I want a 2nd partition to use as a swap? |
| 10:50.50 | Kakihara | Are all the default options good? (Mount point: /, Mount options: defaults, Label: /, Reserved blocks: 5%, Typical usage: stamdard, Bootable flag: off) |
| 10:51.12 | vin` | Kakihara: when in doubt, go with the defaults. |
| 10:51.12 | fooz | after about one minute it's 1 second fast |
| 10:51.14 | liable | yeah thats ok for a first time install |
| 10:52.01 | Kakihara | vin': I did. Thanks :) |
| 10:52.05 | liable | Kakihara: no, you need to delete and make a seperate swap partition, but you could just make a swap file anyway later |
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| 10:54.09 | Kakihara | liable: OK, I'll forget all about the swap file for now then |
| 10:54.13 | Kakihara | thanks |
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| 10:55.34 | Teratogen | did ftp://ftp.debian.org/ just freeze up? |
| 10:55.40 | evrenkan86 | how can i get flash movies on web sites |
| 10:56.07 | fireba11 | Teratogen: no, that's just you |
| 10:56.15 | liable | install flashplayer? |
| 10:56.17 | Teratogen | ok thanks |
| 10:56.39 | evrenkan86 | liable, i mean download |
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| 10:58.42 | vin` | evrenkan86: look at the html source file, get the address. |
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| 10:59.41 | evrenkan86 | vin`, i do but could find any as someone hide them :)) |
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| 11:02.55 | _joey | I am looking for a file system that: read/write on linux/ms windows and supports files larger than 2G in size |
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| 11:03.14 | _joey | fat32 was a candidate but it doesn't not support >2G files under linux |
| 11:03.25 | jm_ | fat32 |
| 11:03.28 | jm_ | it does |
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| 11:03.31 | _joey | no |
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| 11:04.06 | _joey | not on 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 11:04.10 | jm_ | WFM |
| 11:04.19 | _joey | what ? |
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| 11:05.37 | nadjyla | hello |
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| 11:07.13 | Kakihara | Installing Debian and have a choice of 2 kernels: (2.6.8-2-386 & 2.4.27-2-386) are there any reasons not to select the 2.6 on a new powerful machine? |
| 11:07.41 | vin` | Kakihara: go for it especially with newer hardware. |
| 11:08.08 | vin` | Kakihara: did you start the installer with linux26? |
| 11:08.13 | Kakihara | ty |
| 11:08.25 | nadjyla | yes Kakihara many reasons |
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| 11:09.59 | Kakihara | vin': I'm using the sarge netinst disk that I've burnt if that answers your question? |
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| 11:10.35 | vin` | Kakihara: no it doesn't, the sarge d-i gives you the option of running the installer with a 2.6 kernel, if you |
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| 11:10.48 | liable | want :) |
| 11:10.50 | vin` | 're halfway into the install, don't bother now. |
| 11:11.07 | vin` | liable: that too. ;) |
| 11:11.18 | jm_ | liable: remember slow loading of stage1.5 with GRUB? |
| 11:11.28 | liable | jm_: yup |
| 11:11.52 | jm_ | liable: it happens on one of machines here too, but I have very similar one as my firewall and it's fast on it |
| 11:11.53 | liable | jm_: i have been a totally slack bastard and stuck with lilo |
| 11:11.57 | Abdou | hello everybody |
| 11:11.59 | ber | Does anyone ever get this error from Mozilla? : /mozilla-xremote-client: Error: Failed to send command: No error string reported |
| 11:12.13 | SlayerXP | ber: yes, you do. |
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| 11:12.22 | jm_ | hehe |
| 11:12.23 | liable | jm_: ooh. interesting, a desktop machine? |
| 11:12.33 | jm_ | liable: yeah, old HP Vectra |
| 11:12.56 | kevix | jm_: is that a P 1 ? |
| 11:13.05 | jm_ | kevix: no, PII |
| 11:13.07 | liable | jm_: not related to the cd drive though like mine? |
| 11:13.37 | liable | jm_: did you try without stage 1.5? |
| 11:13.39 | jm_ | liable: hmm good question, I just placed it on top drwaer, can't be arsed disabling the CD-ROM drive |
| 11:13.46 | jm_ | liable: yup, no change by using just stage1+stage2 |
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| 11:13.54 | liable | ok |
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| 11:14.08 | liable | jm_: tried lilo? |
| 11:14.31 | jm_ | liable: yeah I had lilo on it earlier, it too took some time to load the kernel, but it was faster |
| 11:14.56 | liable | jm_: interesting. |
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| 11:16.01 | liable | jm_: tell me when you work out how to fix it :) |
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| 11:18.11 | liable | jm_: read somewhere new grub is doing away with 1.5 anyway. |
| 11:18.48 | liable | might have even been a changelog.. |
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| 11:20.59 | Kakihara | After the installation, it tried to boot and 'Kernel panic:' |
| 11:21.08 | Kakihara | pivot_root: No such files or directory |
| 11:21.35 | Kakihara | /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 11:21.36 | Kakihara | any ideas? |
| 11:22.38 | bkankur | i am getting error for sound device file as /dev/dsp busy.. so how can i make dsp unbusy... |
| 11:22.38 | liable | bkankur: lsof /dev/dsp kill whats using it |
| 11:22.48 | jm_ | liable: yup, it is CD, just tested it |
| 11:22.49 | bkankur | liable: thank you |
| 11:23.01 | jm_ | liable: yeah it's planned to remove stage1.5 with GRUB2 |
| 11:23.07 | liable | Kakihara: hrm, try installing with 2.6 |
| 11:23.22 | liable | jm_: no shit! what kernel? |
| 11:23.34 | jetscreamer | i have an idea |
| 11:23.42 | liable | !any ideas |
| 11:23.43 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little vegemite, and 42 three-legged weasels. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 11:23.47 | liable | :) |
| 11:24.58 | jetscreamer | Kakihara: which kernel is booting |
| 11:25.00 | fireba11 | jm_ what other changes are planned in grub2 ? |
| 11:25.03 | jetscreamer | a -386? |
| 11:25.04 | liable | hrm, kernel prolly has nothing to do with it anyway.. |
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| 11:25.23 | liable | jm_: sid boxen? |
| 11:25.25 | kneet | What are the normal ownership/permissions expected for the file ~/.ICEauthority |
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| 11:25.45 | jetscreamer | 644 iirc, and $USER pwns it |
| 11:25.51 | strider | kneet: owned by user |
| 11:26.11 | jm_ | liable: all sorts of kernels, 2.2.20, 2.6.15, 2.6.8, 2.4.18 |
| 11:26.14 | Kakihara | jetscreamer: kernel 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 11:26.18 | jm_ | fireba11: it's listed on the web page ;) |
| 11:26.23 | derek6543 | hello |
| 11:26.23 | jm_ | liable: naah, Sarge |
| 11:26.24 | jetscreamer | nah 600 |
| 11:26.24 | kneet | Thanks. I have root.root 600 (I think that's from an old restore) :) |
| 11:26.33 | liable | jm_: right. strange. |
| 11:26.48 | liable | bugger actually.. |
| 11:26.50 | kevix | kneet: I have 600 $USER:$USER |
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| 11:26.57 | jm_ | liable: I can see it accessing CD unit, that explains slowness |
| 11:26.59 | strider | kneet: yes, just chown it then :) |
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| 11:27.11 | derek6543 | anyone else having problems with alsa in etch? |
| 11:27.14 | kneet | Yep - seems better |
| 11:27.34 | jetscreamer | Kakihara: if you have an intel chipset a possible fix is to modprobe (ide-generic or something, i forget exactly) and exit the shell |
| 11:27.48 | Cyorxamp | Hi I installed webmin so I could make a samba share but now I think its dreadful - how on earth do I get rid of it? |
| 11:28.00 | blondie | apt-get remove it |
| 11:28.03 | liable | jm_: yeah i get hard drive and cd accessing when lilo is doing the 'checking bios drives' before kernel boot. (its the only delay i get with lilo) |
| 11:28.04 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge maybe |
| 11:28.08 | derek6543 | apt-get remove --purge webadmin |
| 11:28.11 | derek6543 | oh |
| 11:28.16 | derek6543 | beet me to it |
| 11:28.24 | kevix | Cyorxamp: have you never user |
| 11:28.29 | kevix | Cyorxamp: have you never used apt-get ? |
| 11:28.40 | Cyorxamp | yeah I have just not too familiar with it yet |
| 11:28.54 | Cyorxamp | Don't wanna type the wrong thing or I'll only get into deeper shit |
| 11:29.00 | Kakihara | jetscreamer: sorry that's way over my head. Is it likely that I did something wrong during the install process? |
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| 11:29.58 | liable | Kakihara: not likely, try it again with linux26 when you boot the cd |
| 11:30.07 | liable | !pal derek6543 |
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| 11:30.16 | derek6543 | oh come on |
| 11:30.27 | liable | hehe |
| 11:30.36 | derek6543 | damn you dpkg |
| 11:30.39 | Kakihara | liable: Rebooting from CD now |
| 11:30.40 | derek6543 | hehe |
| 11:30.41 | Cyorxamp | Right got rid of it now --- Is there no app I can use that I can just tell it what dir I need sharing via samba and it just does it!?!!!! |
| 11:30.42 | kevix | Cyorxamp: well its good to come here but of course want to 'apt-get install apt-dpkg-ref apt-howto' |
| 11:30.45 | jorge__ | hello |
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| 11:31.13 | derek6543 | i think udev killed alsa for me |
| 11:31.13 | phycho | hey, how do i force a debian package to be removed? |
| 11:31.22 | jorge__ | i am spanish |
| 11:31.22 | phycho | the package appears to have been broken |
| 11:31.26 | phycho | and it wont let me remove it .. grr |
| 11:31.32 | liable | Cyorxamp: i dunno, maybe the latest gnome or kde things can do it, but check out swat (packacge) |
| 11:31.37 | liable | !es |
| 11:31.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:31.41 | jetscreamer | Kakihara: no it's likely somebody else's error somewhere (imo, ymmv) |
| 11:32.04 | jetscreamer | Kakihara: just type modprobe ide-generic . then type exit. |
| 11:32.05 | Cyorxamp | liable - how do u launch swat? |
| 11:32.09 | phycho | nm i got it |
| 11:32.24 | liable | Cyorxamp: from a web browser |
| 11:32.27 | jetscreamer | it will work or it won't |
| 11:32.36 | Cyorxamp | so its like webmin ?! |
| 11:32.49 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 11:32.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:32.54 | jetscreamer | doh |
| 11:32.54 | SlayerXP | Cyorxamp: that's right, for idiots. |
| 11:32.56 | liable | sorta, its a graphical thingy to configure samba |
| 11:33.09 | liable | !LOSE jetscreamer |
| 11:33.09 | dpkg | jetscreamer: You Lose. |
| 11:33.12 | Cyorxamp | I want wanna use some shitty web panel thing |
| 11:33.21 | kevix | phycho: 'man apt-get' will help and install 'apt-get install apt-dpkg-ref apt-howto' |
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| 11:33.29 | liable | THEN EDIT YOUR FUCKING SAMBA.CONF... |
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| 11:33.32 | liable | oops |
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| 11:33.58 | fireba11 | Cyorxamp: what for you need a webinterface for samba ?? |
| 11:34.46 | Cyorxamp | no thats exactly what I do not want |
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| 11:34.49 | Kakihara | I now understand about the linux26 - I obviously needly to explicitly choose it at the start of the installation |
| 11:34.56 | liable | yes |
| 11:35.14 | jetscreamer | !love liable |
| 11:35.21 | Kakihara | The installation guide is terrible imho |
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| 11:35.35 | fireba11 | Kakihara: nope |
| 11:35.40 | liable | heh, i guess bot love is better than nothing.. |
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| 11:36.09 | jetscreamer | sarge installer default is 2.4, etch beta installer default is 2.6 |
| 11:36.27 | jetscreamer | so is it an intel chipset btw? |
| 11:36.36 | fireba11 | Kakihara: usually you can install with 2.4 just fine and upgrade to 2.6 or so later |
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| 11:37.06 | Kakihara | fireball: You disagree? The section of partitioning bears no correlation to what you see on installing |
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| 11:37.42 | vin` | Kakihara: file a bug or help fix it. |
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| 11:38.07 | liable | Kakihara: well most people dont make an ext3 partition before installation, if you had free space you wouldnt have gotten confused.. |
| 11:38.12 | JediMaster | don't suppose anyone can give me a hand with ALSA? I've got sound in kde working, and I've had alsa working yesterday, but since booting only kde sounds work, and on xmms, I can't get OSS or ALSA plugins to work, even through they correctly display the sound card (external USB SB audigy 2 nx) |
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| 11:38.35 | fireba11 | JediMaster: try #alsa |
| 11:38.50 | Kakihara | vin': Good point |
| 11:38.58 | JediMaster | fireba11: ah great, ta, didn't know it existed =) |
| 11:39.00 | liable | JediMaster: is the snd-pcm-oss module loaded? |
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| 11:39.44 | JediMaster | liable: lol that fixed it, no I do believe it wsan't |
| 11:39.56 | Cyorxamp | All I need is a program that can edit the smb.conf file!!!! that's it! has such a thing not been created? something with an actual fucking GUI |
| 11:40.14 | vin` | JediMaster: add it to /etc/modules if it isn't. |
| 11:40.16 | derek6543 | use nano |
| 11:40.19 | kevix | Cyorxamp: most folks use VIM! |
| 11:40.30 | liable | uh, swat for the second time. |
| 11:40.35 | fireba11 | Cyorxamp if you want a gui for edition config files install suse ^^ |
| 11:40.38 | JediMaster | ARGHHHH it was just working and now it's stopped again! same error |
| 11:40.41 | Cyorxamp | I am not using a GOD DAMN WEB INTERFACE |
| 11:40.56 | derek6543 | your insane |
| 11:41.02 | JediMaster | I just stopped xmms and started playback and I get the same error |
| 11:41.04 | Kakihara | liable: The guide gives useful information on the optimal partitioning scheme for different users, but doesn't tell the user how to bring it about. E.g. It suggests that I want a separate swap file partition as a minimum but I can't work out how to make the installer do that |
| 11:41.26 | fireba11 | Cyorxamp: if you want a gui so badly write one yourself |
| 11:41.47 | kevix | Cyorxamp: you should be able to google for sample /etc/samba.conf and try differnet ones to suit your need |
| 11:41.48 | liable | Kakihara: make free space by deleting the ext3 partition then play with it, its not hard. |
| 11:42.18 | liable | what the fuck is the difference between a gui and using a web browser? |
| 11:42.45 | jetscreamer | lynx? |
| 11:42.54 | kevix | liable: I guess a GUI requires X and not a web browser |
| 11:43.19 | liable | you missunderstand me. |
| 11:43.32 | jetscreamer | links then |
| 11:43.37 | Eclipser | :p |
| 11:43.41 | liable | you missunderstand me. |
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| 11:43.44 | jetscreamer | links2? |
| 11:43.45 | Eclipser | elinks! |
| 11:43.47 | liable | you missunderstand me. |
| 11:44.03 | jetscreamer | emac |
| 11:44.05 | kevix | liable: you are not clarifying |
| 11:44.08 | liable | gah |
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| 11:44.11 | Eclipser | I think he means the usage difference, is there something the other can't do? |
| 11:44.16 | vin` | be a man, look at the html source and visualize in your mind. |
| 11:44.20 | liable | !win Eclipser |
| 11:44.20 | dpkg | Congratulations, Eclipser! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 11:44.23 | jetscreamer | nano! |
| 11:44.26 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 11:44.26 | Eclipser | doh |
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| 11:44.59 | liable | i am referring to Cyorxamp not wanting to use swat, but wanting a gui... |
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| 11:45.12 | jetscreamer | i was only being obnoxious |
| 11:45.14 | Cyorxamp | Web Interfaces are shite |
| 11:45.19 | liable | i know :P |
| 11:45.26 | Eclipser | Cyorxamp, not really |
| 11:45.35 | Cyorxamp | Well its a matter of opinion |
| 11:45.35 | liable | Cyorxamp: why? |
| 11:45.40 | Eclipser | depends of course, but quite often GUIs are teh shit too |
| 11:45.55 | liable | Cyorxamp: have you even tried it? |
| 11:45.59 | hyperstream | Cyorxamp, why are you being so lazy to setting up samba? |
| 11:46.04 | jetscreamer | real men use asm |
| 11:46.08 | Cyorxamp | No I tried webmin and that looked bad enough |
| 11:46.12 | stoned | how do you make dpkg reconfigure a package and install its config files too, because i deleted some conf file i shouldnt have and i need a copy of it |
| 11:46.12 | jetscreamer | and hexedit |
| 11:46.13 | liable | Cyorxamp: if not do so, or stop your bitching and edit like a man! |
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| 11:46.24 | Eclipser | use vim! |
| 11:46.33 | liable | !confmiss |
| 11:46.33 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 11:46.34 | Cyorxamp | it can fuck the hell off |
| 11:46.38 | jetscreamer | stoned: man dpkg, search for --force-conf... nm |
| 11:46.39 | liable | stoned: ^^ |
| 11:46.44 | kevix | Cyorxamp: how often do you change a samba config? once a year? so how is it unbearable to use swat or vi or what ever? |
| 11:46.57 | hyperstream | or even nano |
| 11:46.58 | hyperstream | lol |
| 11:47.05 | dvm1981 | I think that i have a little trouble in a file with the end line mark. The state is that with 'aspell' i not see a big part of that file. I must be scroll to the right side, impossible i think. Normally i the line are autowrap and i see '\', but he not autowrap and show '>'. |
| 11:47.10 | derek6543 | nano is the sheet |
| 11:47.25 | jetscreamer | use hexeditor |
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| 11:47.30 | jetscreamer | make it so |
| 11:47.33 | liable | either take advise or fuck off, but stop bitching that there isnt a samba gui. |
| 11:47.41 | dvm1981 | I forget the name of the tool to fix it. If is that. |
| 11:47.43 | jetscreamer | there is a samba gui |
| 11:47.44 | jm_ | or write one if you want it |
| 11:47.50 | jetscreamer | well kinda |
| 11:47.56 | jetscreamer | ssh/scp nm |
| 11:48.21 | stoned | the package was not in a repos, it was a deb file i got from somewhere. now apt says package only available from another source, of course. what do i do now |
| 11:48.26 | jetscreamer | tksamba |
| 11:48.27 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 11:48.32 | jetscreamer | !find tksamba |
| 11:48.33 | fluxdude | can anyone recommend a good ftp server to use with ssl and with good docs? using proftpd but the docs for ssl are incomplete |
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| 11:48.52 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'tksamba' returned no results. |
| 11:48.55 | stoned | fluxdude, i use vsftpd |
| 11:48.58 | liable | stoned: is the deb still in cache? |
| 11:49.19 | dvm1981 | So i need to verify if that file i have not modify it im m$. |
| 11:49.46 | fluxdude | yeah, I used that previoult simpler param=this than directives used by proftpd |
| 11:49.49 | stoned | liable, i have it as a deb file on my home directory, I can remove it isntall with dpkg i and apt-get remove blah. i dont what you mean by it being in cache |
| 11:49.50 | kneet | If you're not running kde desktop - how can you adjust the fonts in kde apps? Some digging pointed at qt3 config - this worked for some apps but not all |
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| 11:49.57 | derek6543 | im off,later all. |
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| 11:50.01 | jetscreamer | !info tksmb |
| 11:50.04 | dli | packages.debian.org is down at the moment due to performance issues. |
| 11:50.08 | dpkg | tksmb: (SMB (Samba and Windows) network browser), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.8.8-6 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 11:50.14 | dvm1981 | hhhmmm, i need 'tr' |
| 11:50.24 | liable | stoned: so, dpkg -i --force-confmiss foo.deb |
| 11:50.30 | strider | it's there by default |
| 11:50.30 | stoned | ahh |
| 11:50.32 | stoned | ok |
| 11:50.40 | stoned | ls |
| 11:50.41 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search samba |
| 11:50.42 | stoned | doh |
| 11:50.53 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 11:50.54 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/, or the machine that hosts http://packages.debian.org has been overloaded, a temporary replacement can be found at http://pdo.debian.net |
| 11:51.39 | kevix | tr is in coreutils |
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| 11:52.38 | wdamn | Hi, how can I update the hour of my debian? |
| 11:52.50 | dvm1981 | kevix: Is there a manner with 'tr' or somethings other to view the end line marks of file. I think i have change it in that f*ckin M$ and now give trouble, shit m$ |
| 11:52.56 | kevix | wdamn: you mean the CLOCK? |
| 11:52.57 | Ronin | wdamn: update the hour? as in set the time? |
| 11:53.08 | jetscreamer | yes he means the time |
| 11:53.11 | jetscreamer | !ntp |
| 11:53.12 | dpkg | i heard ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
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| 11:53.36 | liable | date |
| 11:53.38 | dvm1981 | date ? |
| 11:53.40 | dvm1981 | yep |
| 11:53.47 | kevix | dvm1981: you want to delete the line returns? |
| 11:53.53 | dli | what's the kde version in testing? |
| 11:54.08 | wdamn | Ronin: yes |
| 11:54.12 | dvm1981 | kevix: Yes, also check if he have the good one ;-) |
| 11:54.18 | liable | 3.5 just came in dinnit? |
| 11:54.22 | wdamn | the hour that I print with date |
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| 11:54.26 | dvm1981 | kevix: And not that for that M$ |
| 11:54.27 | kevix | dvm1981: I use vim |
| 11:55.01 | dvm1981 | kevix: Yes, i use it. After close it, i want tcheck my faults -> aspell and there come the troubles |
| 11:55.26 | kevix | dvm1981: in vim, you will see '^M' |
| 11:55.35 | liable | Ronin: man date or install the ntp shits |
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| 11:55.40 | liable | !set the time |
| 11:55.40 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 11:55.45 | liable | Ronin: ^^ |
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| 11:56.03 | wdamn | dpkg: thanx |
| 11:56.04 | dpkg | wdamn: my pleasure |
| 11:56.13 | dvm1981 | kevix: In vim, it's looks normal, strange, looks that it's good, but i think not. |
| 11:56.26 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg info kdelibs etch |
| 11:56.53 | dvm1981 | kevix: Because in 'aspell' the first para are good, but there are other not good. Some lines that i have added are bad. |
| 11:56.55 | kevix | dvm1981: what problem are you trying to correct? with what documents?? |
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| 11:57.23 | dvm1981 | kevix: It's a simple php file. But a simple one |
| 11:57.46 | dvm1981 | kevix: With other text file, same problem. Because i have change it in M$ |
| 11:58.08 | kevix | dvm1981: I think I understan. you need to convert the MS end of line to UNIX end of line |
| 11:58.21 | Guerin | !awk cheats |
| 11:58.21 | dpkg | hmm... awk cheats is see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/awk/awk1line.txt |
| 11:58.22 | dvm1981 | kevix: Yep :-) |
| 11:58.26 | Guerin | dvm1981: ^^^ |
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| 11:58.32 | dvm1981 | :-) |
| 11:59.10 | liable | isnt there an app that converts windows text file shits to unix standard or some shit? |
| 11:59.18 | kevix | dvm1981: apt-get install tofrodos |
| 11:59.48 | jm_ | liable: several |
| 12:00.01 | dvm1981 | kevix: It's look that i have not that package :-( |
| 12:00.07 | kevix | !dpkg ms text |
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| 12:00.35 | kevix | !dpkg convert text |
| 12:00.50 | dvm1981 | dpkg are not happy today :-/ |
| 12:00.57 | dvm1981 | :-) |
| 12:01.09 | jm_ | !crlf->unix |
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| 12:01.29 | dvm1981 | carrier ruturn, that word i was missing |
| 12:01.41 | jm_ | !crlf->unix |
| 12:01.52 | jm_ | come on, I know you can do it |
| 12:02.08 | dvm1981 | A glas beer dpkg ? |
| 12:02.15 | liable | !dos2unix |
| 12:02.16 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 12:02.23 | dvm1981 | ha :-0 |
| 12:02.24 | kevix | !dpkg beer dvm1981 |
| 12:02.40 | kevix | !tofrodos |
| 12:02.41 | dvm1981 | kevix: Cola ? |
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| 12:03.00 | dvm1981 | kevix: Im an cafeine adept :-/ |
| 12:03.18 | kevix | !dpkg jolt dvm1981 |
| 12:03.31 | dvm1981 | :-/ |
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| 12:04.07 | dvm1981 | awk looks not simple he :-( |
| 12:06.21 | JediMaster | still having some problems with audio, it seems xmms will suddenly just work if you leave it for a while without changing anything, and I think it's because kde was playing it's sounds when windows minimise etc, and now xmms is playing I get no kde sounds |
| 12:06.24 | liable | dvm1981: dos2unix... |
| 12:06.34 | dvm1981 | In that f*cking M$ os, what end line use that shit ? |
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| 12:07.17 | JediMaster | ok, just stopped xmms, kde played a sound and now it won't start again |
| 12:07.41 | liable | JediMaster: yes, this is normal unless you have a card that does hardware mixing or use something like |
| 12:07.42 | dvm1981 | liable: Yep, i look what dpkg have say, i tcheck one at one the apps, to view the diff and usages of it :-) |
| 12:08.08 | liable | JediMaster: give it 30 secs and try xmms again |
| 12:08.20 | kevix | dvm1981: use 'file' to see what is inside a file |
| 12:08.21 | JediMaster | liable: this is a fairly new card, sound blaster audigy 2 nx |
| 12:08.33 | liable | JediMaster: dmix was the missing word at the end of the first sentence.. |
| 12:08.54 | JediMaster | liable: I use the term "card" loosely as it's an external usb "card" |
| 12:09.18 | dvm1981 | kevix : welcom_msg.php: ASCII English text, with very long lines |
| 12:09.19 | kevix | JediMaster: so call it a exteral sound 'device' |
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| 12:09.35 | JediMaster | liable: fairly sure I have the word dmix in the .asoundrc file |
| 12:09.37 | kevix | dvm1981: 'file' is very smart! |
| 12:09.40 | dvm1981 | kevix: And these long line ... give some troubles |
| 12:09.55 | JediMaster | kevix: too long, and I'm too lazy =) |
| 12:10.09 | liable | JediMaster: well, if you get it to work (which it obviously isnt) you are a better man than me.. :) |
| 12:10.25 | JediMaster | liable: lol I was going to ask if it needed any more setup =) |
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| 12:10.59 | JediMaster | liable: couldn't find any reference to dmix in apt-cache, so I presume it's a built in alsa thing? |
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| 12:11.41 | liable | JediMaster: yeah, its not an app. its basically just that soundrc file that makes it work. |
| 12:11.50 | liable | JediMaster: google dmix. |
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| 12:12.57 | kevix | liable: apt-file says libasound2 has /usr/share/alsa/pcm/dmix.conf |
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| 12:14.09 | liable | kevix: yeah which is part of alsa-base or utils (or depends of anyway..) |
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| 12:14.26 | Tuttle_ | Is there some easy way to get round-robin graphical representation of PC temperatures, voltages, etc. ? |
| 12:14.27 | dvm1981 | I have do it finaly in perl, like dpkg (and liable) say. Strange, the problem is not solved. Is it not that, i make a screenshot that explain it. |
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| 12:15.20 | pau4o | Tuttle_, try munin |
| 12:15.25 | Cyorxamp | I chose to have my new debian installation to use 640x480 (VGA) just to be on the same side - How can I give it a better driver and increase my resolution!?! |
| 12:15.43 | liable | Tuttle_: gkrelm |
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| 12:15.52 | Tuttle_ | liable: it's server |
| 12:16.07 | Tuttle_ | looking at munin |
| 12:16.27 | liable | Tuttle_: so? you said graphical.. |
| 12:16.47 | Tuttle_ | liable: that's for example PNGs viewable via Apache :-) |
| 12:17.21 | liable | ok :) |
| 12:17.22 | dvm1981 | Could someone set my light on ? http://users.telenet.be/davidvanmosselbeen/aspell.png |
| 12:17.58 | kevix | Tuttle_: sensord |
| 12:18.31 | dvm1981 | the '>' if found strange and not know what is it. Normally in 'aspell' he autowrap the line and show '\' |
| 12:18.46 | liable | Guerin: shouldnt you be sleeping in a tent by now? |
| 12:18.50 | Tuttle_ | wow, i was not aware sensord is able to write rrd |
| 12:19.50 | liable | !drxx Cyorxamp |
| 12:19.51 | dpkg | Cyorxamp: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:20.27 | dvm1981 | Could someone explain me what are going bad ? |
| 12:23.01 | kevix | dvm1981: did you edit that file? |
| 12:23.20 | dvm1981 | kevix: I have made it :-/ |
| 12:23.34 | kevix | dvm1981: in linux or MS |
| 12:23.56 | dvm1981 | kevix: In both :-/ |
| 12:24.15 | dvm1981 | I format that f*cking shit |
| 12:24.26 | dvm1981 | No more need that M$ |
| 12:24.45 | dvm1981 | Always troubles wiht it |
| 12:24.56 | dvm1981 | s/wiht/with |
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| 12:25.30 | dvm1981 | kevix: I have do perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' to that file, but no changes |
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| 12:26.28 | jarango | How can I force snd_pcm_oss module to be loaded at boottime with the rest of the alsa modules ? |
| 12:26.45 | liable | put it in /etc/modules |
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| 12:27.06 | lupz | how i can i start network interfaces on boot ? |
| 12:27.16 | liable | strange if it isnt being loaded though. |
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| 12:27.31 | Henry_Bean | hi, i have a problem with dependences, i get this message from a ./configure checking for XSERVER... configure: error: Package requirements (randrproto renderproto fixesproto damageproto xextproto xfont xproto xtrans xau compositeproto resourceproto recordproto xdmcp xdmcp) were not met. |
| 12:27.32 | liable | lupz: /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 12:27.33 | Henry_Bean | .. how to know what packages i have to install to satisfize them? |
| 12:27.40 | kevix | dvm1981: that looks right. |
| 12:27.47 | lupz | liable: there're set already as auto |
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| 12:28.11 | dvm1981 | kevix: The perl command? yep, but do a strang thing, have you look the png file? |
| 12:28.16 | lupz | liable: i'm on dhcp but i've to do to start them ---> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 12:28.21 | liable | lupz: then they should come up. unless you have made a boo boo, paste the file on a paster |
| 12:28.32 | liable | lupz: you use ubuntu? |
| 12:28.41 | lupz | liable: yes |
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| 12:28.52 | kevix | dvm1981: yes. i made a text file with a long line and it wrapped. I couldn not duplicate what you did. |
| 12:28.52 | liable | lupz: please ask in #ubuntu |
| 12:28.54 | CaT[tm] | there's always #ubuntu |
| 12:28.56 | lupz | liable: i've written by hand that file anyway |
| 12:29.21 | lupz | on #ubuntu nobody can help, anyway i think initscripts are the debian one |
| 12:29.27 | kevix | Henry_Bean: what are you compiling? |
| 12:29.28 | liable | no |
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| 12:29.42 | liable | lupz: /topic |
| 12:29.49 | dvm1981 | Shit that M$, Someone would like to play with my old M$, try to fuck it, before i format it ? |
| 12:30.00 | lupz | anyway any suggestion ? |
| 12:30.08 | CaT[tm] | yeah. try #ubuntu |
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| 12:30.20 | dvm1981 | Never again stupid thing, ttthhm im not happy about M$ |
| 12:30.21 | liable | !they don't know |
| 12:30.21 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 12:30.46 | kevix | dvm1981: try using vim to do 'GQ' command |
| 12:30.46 | Henry_Bean | kevix, i'm using jhbuild to build luminocity, in one of this steps, it recompile xserver, and there is my problem |
| 12:31.11 | liable | wtf is jhbuild? |
| 12:31.14 | Kakihara | when booting linux26 on the installation CD, I get 'No partitionable media were found' - any ideas? |
| 12:31.32 | dvm1981 | kevix: ':GQ' ? |
| 12:31.57 | lupz | well anyway it's a debian question, the init scripts and other runlevel stuff cames straightly from debian |
| 12:31.59 | kevix | Henry_Bean: The X strike Force (the debian team is very close to getting all these things) why not wait? |
| 12:31.59 | liable | Kakihara: ewww, looks like your chipset isnt supported in that kernel. is it a sata chip? |
| 12:32.12 | liable | lupz: no, it is not. |
| 12:32.21 | Kakihara | liable: ide |
| 12:32.43 | lupz | liable: what is not ? |
| 12:32.46 | kevix | dvm1981: no. use 'v' to select the text and them 'GQ' (not in ':' mode) |
| 12:32.55 | Kakihara | liable: Dell XPS M170 |
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| 12:33.14 | liable | Kakihara: really? strange. google the thing with 2.6 kernel. |
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| 12:33.33 | Henry_Bean | kevix, yes, it's an option... but i ussualy make this kind of stuff to lear things too xD |
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| 12:34.08 | Henry_Bean | but thanks, now i know that eventually if i wait, sometime, i'll get my luminocity :) |
| 12:34.20 | kevix | Henry_Bean: usually you need some -dev package. if you install 'apt-file' you can find out which one. |
| 12:34.24 | dvm1981 | kevix: BINGO ! |
| 12:34.48 | kevix | dvm1981: that reformats paragraphs to 72 colums |
| 12:34.53 | dvm1981 | kevix: You have me learn 2 things in vim. Im happy :-) |
| 12:34.59 | Henry_Bean | kevix, thanks! i'll try it |
| 12:35.35 | dvm1981 | hhh, when i have time i die that f*cking M$ shit shit shit is that really. |
| 12:35.40 | kneet | Am looking at various music apps - just trying amarok (looks good BTW). However - this is running under enlightenment. Everything works except ipod detection - is it possible to get this working without switching to KDE as desktop? |
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| 12:36.03 | dvm1981 | kevix: Really thanks man ;-) |
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| 12:36.29 | kevix | dvm1981: I use that command when I compose EMAIL, it cleans things up! |
| 12:36.44 | dvm1981 | kevix: And fire up the shit :-) |
| 12:37.13 | dvm1981 | kevix: I note it down in my little perso vim_reference :-0 |
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| 12:37.29 | liable | Kakihara: its a laptop yes? check out tuxmobil.org |
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| 12:37.42 | kombi | how do you set umask in the ftp server again? |
| 12:37.51 | kevix | dvm1981: install 'tomboy' it rocks! |
| 12:38.26 | dvm1981 | kevix: apt not find it :-( |
| 12:38.49 | kevix | !find tomboy |
| 12:38.52 | Kakihara | liable: thanks. will do |
| 12:38.55 | dpkg | tomboy: (desktop note taking program using Wiki style links), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.3.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 182 kB, Installed size: 585 kB |
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| 12:40.34 | kombi | or better said, how do you get every file created by an ftp user to belong to a certain group? |
| 12:40.40 | kevix | kneet: check out 'banshee' |
| 12:40.44 | kevix | !banshee |
| 12:40.45 | dpkg | banshee is probably a 2D/3D graphics chipset by 3Dfx, Inc.. There is a newer X server than the old bnslnx-B1.zip located at ftp://ftp.soundblaster.com/pub/creative/beta/XF86_Banshee-1.01.tar.gz (v3.3.3) dated June 22, 1999. Size: 909663 or at http://www.3dfxgamers.com/view.asp?IOID=31 or supported by XFree86 3.3.5 |
| 12:40.49 | beanz | Is there any clever way to save bandwidth by proxying a single streaming udp connection from a server, so that others can connect to it too? |
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| 12:40.51 | dvm1981 | hhmm i only run, stable/testing |
| 12:40.52 | fireba11 | kombi: depends on what ftp you use |
| 12:41.02 | kombi | fireba11: wu |
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| 12:41.35 | dvm1981 | Oh yey, i forget that i have an old sid install, i look there :-) |
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| 12:42.38 | stoned | im trying to compile a gtk+2 app but i dunno which dev packages to isntall |
| 12:42.50 | stoned | i can't get congire to run all the way |
| 12:42.52 | kevix | stoned: what is the message |
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| 12:43.18 | stoned | checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0... Package gtk+-2.0 not found |
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| 12:43.23 | dvm1981 | Thanks to everyone that have support me today :-) |
| 12:43.48 | fireba11 | kombi you should eb able to set this in config .. also settign sticky bits on folders is soemtimes useful :-) |
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| 12:44.55 | kevix | stoned: apt-cache search says: libgtk2.0-dev |
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| 12:45.20 | kombi | fireba11: Thanks, cChecking the docs for wu-ftp now.. I never quite got sticky bits, what would be the setting to ensure all files belong to group 'foo'? |
| 12:47.01 | tbd | I have a Debian sid, and I'm compiling a 2.6.15.4 kernel in it with initrd |
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| 12:47.15 | stoned | kevix, ahh, i search for gtk+-2.0 |
| 12:47.19 | stoned | thanks |
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| 12:47.29 | liable | why the hell make an initrd if you are compiling a kernel? |
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| 12:47.46 | Torix | How do I use sed to write changes to the file that I edited? |
| 12:48.25 | tbd | but when booting it stops because "mount" tries to install a devfs system |
| 12:48.38 | kevix | Torix: 'man sed' says use '-i' option |
| 12:48.59 | tbd | I would rather like to get rid of initrd, liable |
| 12:48.59 | Torix | kevix: Thank you so much |
| 12:49.27 | liable | tbd: so, do it. compile or your needed drivers in. |
| 12:49.29 | kevix | tbd: debian does not use devfs currently. how did you get it? |
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| 12:49.47 | dvm1981 | tomboy installed, looking on it. |
| 12:49.54 | kneet | banshee seems to have char set issues (or - equally likely _I_ have char set issues) |
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| 12:50.08 | fishdish | hi guys |
| 12:50.17 | fishdish | i have a problem with grub |
| 12:50.30 | kevix | fishdish: me too! I never use it! |
| 12:50.36 | liable | tbd: dont compile kernels if you have no idea what you are doing. try it for fun, but you prolly wont get much help here, cause debian supplies perfectly good kernel images.. |
| 12:50.40 | fishdish | yeah |
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| 12:51.12 | tbd | I installed Debian from a installation CD... |
| 12:51.13 | opensores | where can i find the linux kernel source (sarge) |
| 12:51.37 | liable | apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 12:51.45 | kevix | opensores: apt-cache search $(uname -r) |
| 12:51.52 | mutante | or kernel.org |
| 12:51.55 | liable | err.. |
| 12:51.58 | tbd | the issue is that the kernel that the installation procedure set does not completely detects the things... |
| 12:52.04 | CaT[tm] | liable: well I wouldn't call 2.6.8.1 perfectly good :) |
| 12:52.13 | liable | kevix: that wont show the source |
| 12:52.15 | tbd | I thought I knew what I was doing... |
| 12:52.18 | opensores | I'm trying to install some drivers and it asks for the kernel source path |
| 12:52.25 | liable | CaT[tm]: 2.6.8-2 now! :) |
| 12:52.33 | fishdish | well, i installed ubuntu on compaq epo |
| 12:52.40 | CaT[tm] | liable: sma eproblems :) |
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| 12:53.01 | fishdish | and yeah, the system "installed" properly, until i restarted after installation |
| 12:53.02 | kevix | liable: of course, its apt-cache, it finds things. |
| 12:53.13 | dvm1981 | fishdish: '/join #ubuntu' |
| 12:53.16 | fishdish | and i had to wait for half an hour for GRUB to start, and it didn't start |
| 12:53.19 | fishdish | i did |
| 12:53.28 | fishdish | i don't like ubuntu anymore |
| 12:53.42 | liable | kevix: there is no kernel-source-2.6.8-2-i386.. |
| 12:53.58 | dvm1981 | fishdish: Debian is great, really great, the greatest one, really |
| 12:54.05 | fishdish | Can i get anywhere Debian install CD with a 2.6 kernel as default? |
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| 12:54.11 | kevix | fishdish: it doesnt matter if you use ubuntu or debian, it takes time to learn either. |
| 12:54.17 | fishdish | i know |
| 12:54.27 | fishdish | i jsut have a problem with GRUB thet doesn't start |
| 12:54.41 | jm_ | you could create your own custom CD |
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| 12:54.46 | goran | how to save up the screen or session of a chat? |
| 12:54.49 | kevix | fishdish: so, I use lilo. |
| 12:54.50 | tbd | I have the impression that some script (I don't know which) tries to mount something with devfs when booting |
| 12:54.50 | fishdish | yeah ...right |
| 12:54.54 | dvm1981 | Debian looks complexer with more tools, but when you have the good one, you can do the job good. |
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| 12:54.56 | tbd | what script could it be? |
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| 12:55.10 | kevix | goran: most have a 'script' or loggin option. |
| 12:55.17 | tbd | and how to avoid it? |
| 12:55.22 | Zrin | how can i check the size of an image on a DVD? |
| 12:55.26 | fishdish | i have sarge here, but cos this computer doesn't have PS/2, the keyboard causes kernel panic when i try to boot the install cd |
| 12:55.32 | dvm1981 | goran: Activate the log of ex: xchat |
| 12:55.59 | Zrin | i'm trying to cmp /dev/cdrom image.iso but it gives me "EOF on /dev/cdrom" |
| 12:56.02 | kevix | Zrin: mount it and use 'df' ? |
| 12:56.04 | dvm1981 | goran: So he log all the things when you are connected to it, an can look back to the log, to avoid aske 3x |
| 12:56.05 | fishdish | so, there is no ready Debian available with 2.6 kernel? |
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| 12:56.35 | steigweis | idebian netinstall: i have the 3.1r0a version. the latest version is 3.1r1a. do you recommend to dl the latest one or can i go on with my old one? |
| 12:56.42 | dvm1981 | fishdish: Huhm |
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| 12:56.52 | goran | dvm1981, under xchat 'settings'? |
| 12:56.59 | opensores | how can i setup my wireless network card in debian |
| 12:57.08 | kevix | fishdish: the installer has a linux2.6 or expert option |
| 12:57.32 | kevix | opensores: use 'iwconfig' |
| 12:57.36 | dvm1981 | goran: Setting > preference > Chatting > Logging > 'Enable logging of conversations' |
| 12:57.44 | goran | dvm1981, got it, thks. |
| 12:58.00 | dvm1981 | goran: Verry helpfull that thing. |
| 12:58.10 | goran | dvm1981, yeh. |
| 12:58.15 | dvm1981 | goran: Enfin, all the log are very helpfull :-)9 |
| 12:58.19 | Zrin | kevix: df /dev/cdrom? |
| 12:58.25 | cheal | steigweis: it depends on how much security you need |
| 12:58.38 | steigweis | not very much :) |
| 12:58.55 | opensores | -su: iwconfig: command not found |
| 12:59.00 | goran | dvm1981, Enfin? what's that? |
| 12:59.16 | kevix | Zrin: I mean 'mount -t ufs /dev/cdrom' |
| 12:59.18 | goran | opensores, u must be root. |
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| 12:59.20 | dvm1981 | goran: Sorry is french, hhhmmm no matters |
| 12:59.26 | opensores | i was root |
| 12:59.48 | kevix | opensores: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 12:59.50 | goran | opensores, u have the driver loaded? |
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| 13:00.27 | opensores | iwconfig now says eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 13:00.51 | kevix | opensores: you need to load the wifi drivers then |
| 13:01.08 | Zrin | kevix: ok, I'm got it with df -B1 /cdrom (while mounted), and it is the same size as my iso file i've burnt ... but why is then cmp reporting "EOF on /dev/cdrom"? |
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| 13:01.24 | Zrin | kevix: i'm trying to verify the image after burning |
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| 13:01.38 | kevix | Zrin: you are suppose to use the md5sum! |
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| 13:01.58 | Zrin | kevix: md5sum /dev/cdrom? |
| 13:02.04 | kevix | Zrin: try it! |
| 13:02.20 | Zrin | kevix: why not byte for byte compare with cmp? |
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| 13:02.49 | kevix | Zrin: the iso should have a md5sum. that is the recommended way to verify it. |
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| 13:03.32 | Zrin | kevix: so md5 checksum is already in the iso file ... or where? |
| 13:04.11 | Zrin | kevix: if I have to read both images anyway, there is no sense in making md5 checksum |
| 13:04.20 | kevix | Zrin: debian images (and others) post the md5sum in a text file in the same directory and after you download it, you check it. |
| 13:04.56 | Zrin | kevix: ic ... but I just want to compare contents of the backup DVD right after burning it |
| 13:05.06 | Zrin | kevix: is is my own backup iso |
| 13:05.06 | lilyt | i have a problem with dma i have intel 865pe and when i load ide-generic from script with 49 priority it works if i dont i dont have cdrom if i let it default i dont have dma. |
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| 13:06.43 | jetscreamer | it's a bug |
| 13:06.48 | kevix | Zrin: the recommended way is to make an iso, make an md5sum for it, then burn iso, then check md5sum of the burneed iso. |
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| 13:06.57 | dr_zeus | Hi all, I have a problem with a network install using the mini cd rom. I says that it can't mount the CD rom but I can boot from it? It is a USB attached cd-rom but that shouldn't be a problem or? |
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| 13:07.45 | kevix | dr_zeus: it is. the cdrom didnt load the drivers for the usb cdrom. |
| 13:08.07 | goran | how to find out the version of debian that i am currently using? |
| 13:08.10 | dr_zeus | kevix: can I force load them or is it not supported on the mini cd |
| 13:08.16 | Zrin | kevix: ic ... anyway I don't understand why "cmp /dev/cdrom /home/burn/data.iso" reports "cmp: EOF on /dev/cdrom" |
| 13:08.18 | cheal | !which version of debian |
| 13:08.19 | dpkg | to determine what version of debian you are on, run this command: apt-cache policy|awk '$1<2000{n=split($3,r,"/");if(n){print r[1];}}'|sort -u|tr "\n" ,;echo |
| 13:08.29 | Susperia | mmm guys, like i know hwo to create the usual deb package... but like for something like oMail, there is actually no compiling and such, just copying files to the respective places. how is that done ? |
| 13:08.55 | goran | so complicated. all these, just to find the debian's version? |
| 13:09.10 | jetscreamer | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:09.17 | dvm1981 | goran: copy & paste |
| 13:09.24 | goran | that's better. |
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| 13:10.23 | goran | jetscreamer, it says 3.1, not r0 or r1. |
| 13:10.45 | cheal | goran: it's not even reliable or precise |
| 13:11.00 | kevix | Susperia: what did you want to do? |
| 13:11.08 | goran | dvm1981, 'copy & paste' to find out version of debian? i am not with u. |
| 13:11.28 | dr_zeus | kevix: do you ahve any suggestions on how to force load the drivers? Or some ideas how I would go about to install a small debian system on a pc with no floppy and no cd-rom :) |
| 13:11.29 | kevix | goran: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:11.46 | dvm1981 | goran: No the line that dpkg give man |
| 13:12.17 | jetscreamer | goran: less /etc/apt/sources.list and if it says etch or sarge or sid you know where you get your sources from |
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| 13:12.27 | dvm1981 | goran: Have you try the simplest one like kevix say ? |
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| 13:12.35 | kevix | dr_zeus: remove the hard-drive from the system, put it in a system with cdrom, install, remove and put back in other system |
| 13:12.48 | dvm1981 | goran: Yep, i have see it, sorry |
| 13:13.15 | kevix | dr_zeus: what kind of wifi card is it? |
| 13:13.22 | eheil | Hey guys. Quick question here. Anyone of you know where i can find good alternative packages for Unstable? Also, I'm trying to find the cda2wav package--doing an apt-cache cda2wav, cda, etc. doesn't yeild any results. |
| 13:13.43 | dr_zeus | kevix: Darn, thought I could make it easier :) |
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| 13:13.54 | goran | cheal, what kevix says is what jetscreamer says. it gives 3.1. now i have also cut and paste the command suggested by cheal. it says 'testing'. no good. |
| 13:14.08 | kevix | eheil: its cdda! |
| 13:14.22 | dvm1981 | eheil: Marillat ? |
| 13:14.36 | goran | sorry, that was meant for dvm1981 . |
| 13:14.43 | dr_zeus | kevix: wifi? do you mean ethernet card? |
| 13:14.45 | kevix | dr_zeus: what kind of pc is that ? |
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| 13:15.09 | dr_zeus | ohh it is just a small celeron system nothing special:) |
| 13:15.14 | jetscreamer | wireless |
| 13:15.16 | kevix | dr_zeus: what driver are you havhing a problem with. |
| 13:15.34 | dr_zeus | but it is a lab environment for an embedded device we are building so I want to use it for cross ciompilatiopn |
| 13:16.05 | dr_zeus | I believe the install fails because it can't mount my usb cdrom.. |
| 13:16.13 | kevix | dr_zeus: ...for arm processsor ? |
| 13:16.15 | dr_zeus | but I can boot from it :P |
| 13:16.16 | goran | so, no way to know whether my debian is 3.1 r0 or r1 or r1a? |
| 13:16.21 | dr_zeus | no x86 |
| 13:16.41 | dr_zeus | I had problems with arm big endian so we went with x86 |
| 13:16.44 | fishdish | "no x86" - i like what you just said. Tehre are laternatives |
| 13:16.46 | kevix | dr_zeus: you need to go to a conosle and 'modprobe' the usb kernel modules |
| 13:16.49 | fishdish | alternatives |
| 13:17.16 | dr_zeus | ok, good and they should be on the mini cd? (the drivers i mean) |
| 13:17.22 | kevix | dr_zeus: google 'soekris' and 'pebble linux' |
| 13:17.36 | kevix | dr_zeus: IIRC. YMMV. |
| 13:17.50 | cheal | goran: show your sources.list |
| 13:18.02 | dr_zeus | kevix: great thanks! I've been looking at pebble before :) |
| 13:18.29 | kevix | dr_zeus: it is made by a member of a local lug: www.nycwireless.net |
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| 13:19.11 | dr_zeus | kevix: have you done any embedded developing before or? :) |
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| 13:19.34 | kevix | dr_zeus: no. I just attend the meeting where they show this stuff! |
| 13:19.48 | dr_zeus | kevix: he he ok |
| 13:20.24 | kevix | dr_zeus: although, I'd like to try those linksys wifi router thingy that you load linux on! |
| 13:20.56 | dr_zeus | kevix: ahh http://openwrt.org/ you mean |
| 13:21.12 | kevix | dr_zeus: monowall, openwrt, ... |
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| 13:21.40 | kevix | fishdish: there are 100+! see you in a few years! |
| 13:21.45 | dr_zeus | kevix: I like mono..(I'm really a fbsd junkie :P) |
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| 13:22.20 | kevix | dr_zeus: I have a copy of frisbee |
| 13:22.23 | dr_zeus | maybe we could use pebble as a base and remove anything we don't need (like wifi :P) |
| 13:22.24 | pokute_ | Hi. |
| 13:22.44 | kevix | dr_zeus: from my last info, it was like 50mb! |
| 13:22.45 | pokute_ | Can someone help me with SDL debian packaging? |
| 13:22.48 | dr_zeus | kevix: And I know that deep inside you like it very very much :) |
| 13:23.20 | kevix | dr_zeus: penguins and little devils dont mix x-) |
| 13:23.23 | dr_zeus | kevix: I saw that.. that is awesome (we're using CF cards for the OS) |
| 13:24.20 | mkl1525 | Hi, I've got a process that I can't kill even with -9 so is there any other way to get rid of it? |
| 13:24.29 | dr_zeus | well i'm going to try to probe the usb modules and see if I can get that mini cd to work...thanks for the info. C ya.. |
| 13:24.40 | SlayerXP | mkl1525: grep -v |
| 13:24.40 | kevix | mkl1525: pull the plug! x-) |
| 13:25.20 | kevix | dr_zeus: IIRC the bios see the drive but then the linux kernel takes over and it doesnt have the modules loaded |
| 13:25.47 | dr_zeus | kevix: yea, thats what I thought was happening.. |
| 13:26.26 | kevix | mkl1525: what program is this? |
| 13:26.36 | liran | !gnome |
| 13:26.36 | dpkg | hmm... gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the worst, most restrictive pile of horse dung on the face of the planet. |
| 13:26.41 | goran | Got this msg from 'apt-get install'. should i answer y or n? WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 13:26.42 | goran | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.42 | goran | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? |
| 13:27.01 | liran | uhmm, how about how to installing gnome with the x window system? |
| 13:27.09 | liran | apt-get install x-window-system gnome is enough, right? |
| 13:27.14 | kevix | goran: if you dont have the releases gpg key you get that. |
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| 13:27.38 | pokute_ | Hmm. What is the best place to get files needed to build debian packages (for libsdl in this case)? |
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| 13:27.59 | kevix | liran: I like to use 'gnome-desktop-environment' it install a lite version of gnome |
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| 13:28.22 | jetscreamer | !quake4 bork |
| 13:28.22 | dpkg | i guess quake4 bork is for quake4(and d3 i'd guess) libsdl1.2debian-all_1.2.9-0.1_i386.deb vs libsdl1.2debian-alsa_1.2.9-0.1_i386.deb . all bad, alsa good. see updated versions also. |
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| 13:29.09 | liran | kevix: thanks for that |
| 13:29.09 | goran | kevix, no harm in installing w/o verification? |
| 13:29.10 | liran | kevix: to later configure xfree, the command is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 right? |
| 13:29.32 | kevix | goran: when you get the gpg key, it will not give the message. if you trust the source, then yes. |
| 13:29.34 | jetscreamer | goran. no liran. yes. |
| 13:29.43 | liran | woah |
| 13:29.48 | liran | double reply. |
| 13:29.49 | kevix | liran: if you have xfree86 and not xorg |
| 13:29.54 | liran | jetscreamer im seriously impressed :P |
| 13:30.15 | liran | kevix: yep. but yout have xorg installed on sarge unless you change sources for apt right? |
| 13:30.15 | goran | kevix, how to get the key? |
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| 13:30.18 | jetscreamer | i can type, be afraid. |
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| 13:30.28 | liran | heh |
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| 13:30.41 | jetscreamer | i 'think' the default for sarge is still xfree86 but i'm not sure |
| 13:30.43 | goran | jetscreamer, 'no' means 'no harm', or cannot? |
| 13:30.46 | kevix | !apt-get gpg |
| 13:31.04 | liran | yeah it is. |
| 13:31.05 | kevix | liran: yes. |
| 13:31.07 | jetscreamer | goran: /topic . |
| 13:31.17 | jetscreamer | 'probably' won't hurt :) |
| 13:31.17 | liran | ok. just making sure |
| 13:31.25 | kevix | !debian gpg |
| 13:31.36 | mkl1525 | kevix, it's /usr/local/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmx - ps shows as STAT D |
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| 13:31.47 | jetscreamer | !gpg-key |
| 13:31.52 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 13:31.53 | kevix | jetscreamer: thx |
| 13:32.02 | jetscreamer | !keys |
| 13:32.06 | jetscreamer | !key |
| 13:32.11 | jetscreamer | !die |
| 13:32.11 | dpkg | I'll murder you jetscreamer! Decapitate you and play snooker with your eyes! |
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| 13:32.25 | kevix | !release key |
| 13:32.34 | jetscreamer | !topic |
| 13:32.51 | jetscreamer | !crabpastesmite |
| 13:32.52 | dpkg | somebody said crabpastesmite was - |
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| 13:33.31 | kevix | mkl1525: that may mess with the kernel and lock up the system? |
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| 13:33.35 | goran | jetscreamer, can't understand the topic. i should just install gpg and kevix suggest? |
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| 13:34.25 | jetscreamer | goran: gpg is already installed , you just need to d/l the key and add it. but you can install the packages, it won't hurt. unless you're using some wierd source. |
| 13:34.46 | jetscreamer | aka install w/o verification is ok with debian sources |
| 13:34.57 | jetscreamer | and maybe others but that's others |
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| 13:35.05 | TipTap | anyone here familiar with exim. I want to requeue a message of which a domain i've rewritten to a specific location - i've asked in exim but noone is responding so thought i'd try here |
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| 13:35.33 | kevix | goran: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
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| 13:36.00 | jetscreamer | <S>treuner!!! |
| 13:36.25 | streuner | JETSCREAMER! |
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| 13:36.41 | kevix | too much shouting x-) |
| 13:36.52 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice kevix |
| 13:37.12 | kevix | !dpkg beer kevix |
| 13:37.35 | mkl1525 | kevix, system is wokring quite well, but trying to install a new version of vmware and it won't install until all other vmware processes are shut down |
| 13:37.36 | jm_ | TipTap: what status is it in now? |
| 13:37.47 | TipTap | it still tries the old location |
| 13:38.07 | TipTap | i've got a local rewrite for that domain, i tyr and exim -M messageid but it attempts the old location, i can't see how i requeue the mail |
| 13:38.14 | TipTap | to it attempts to send to the modification i just made |
| 13:38.33 | jm_ | you probably have to rewrite the message in the queue |
| 13:38.44 | TipTap | urgh, thats a bit shoddy |
| 13:38.50 | Sin_Eater | i m going to download debian, shoud i get 3.1 r1 |
| 13:38.52 | Sin_Eater | ? |
| 13:38.56 | kevix | mkl1525: dont know. dont use vmware. you can't shut down the app from inside vmware? |
| 13:39.04 | streuner | !d-i Sin_Eater |
| 13:39.04 | dpkg | Sin_Eater, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 13:39.06 | TipTap | i know wiht postfix you can use postfixsuper -r to requeue the mail |
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| 13:39.16 | Sin_Eater | thx |
| 13:39.35 | TipTap | i did attempt to remove the exim db thinking it kept a cache or something somehow |
| 13:39.44 | mkl1525 | kevix, no there's no programm anymore just this process but thanks for your help |
| 13:39.45 | dvm1981 | mkl1525: Reboot ? The hard method :-/ |
| 13:40.10 | mkl1525 | dvm1981, seems so but can't do this atm |
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| 13:40.31 | dvm1981 | mkl1525: aai |
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| 13:41.26 | dvm1981 | mkl1525: Playing with 'kill' bill, not work? Shot Billy man :-0 |
| 13:42.18 | derek6543 | hello,when I try to boot my own kernel grub complains and says "Invalid or unsupported executable format".Anyone know how to fix that? |
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| 13:44.14 | dvm1981 | mkl1525: I have check a bit, but i can not help if the kill'ing not work :-( |
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| 13:44.58 | dvm1981 | mkl1525: A little thing, when upgrade, he will not kill auto ? |
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| 13:47.46 | pokute_ | Does debian have cvs or something for files in a package's /debian -directory? |
| 13:48.43 | kevix | pokute_: each developer uses what they want: cvs, bzr, git, ... |
| 13:48.51 | mkl1525 | dvm1981, thanks for your help - it tries to kill all vmware related processes but seems to fail like I do |
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| 13:49.38 | dvm1981 | mkl1525: You do it with 'root' ? |
| 13:49.49 | goran | i am currently using gkrellm for graphical system monitoring. is something better around? |
| 13:49.52 | pokute_ | kevix: So, where can I look up what libsdl debian maintainers use? |
| 13:49.57 | kevix | dvm1981: I have a P1 with sarge on it. |
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| 13:50.03 | johabba | any ideas/links/rtfms for forcing ssl on a site? like if the client browses to http://some.site they are forced/redirected to https://some.site? |
| 13:50.07 | ejofee | any vlc fan here? |
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| 13:50.41 | dvm1981 | kevix: I have also another P1 one :-) i have here many old one :-/ but with these, he would not. I try again an not give it up :-/ |
| 13:51.00 | kevix | pokute_: you can get the source for the packagea and edit it or use any versioning system you want. |
| 13:51.03 | mkl1525 | dvm1981, yes |
| 13:51.36 | kevix | pokute_: you can email the maintainer and see if he/she has it on the web in a cvs |
| 13:51.51 | dvm1981 | mkl1525: I do not know the problem then. Somebody here ? |
| 13:52.14 | kevix | dvm1981: you can take the HD out and put it in another PC to install, and then swap it back. |
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| 13:53.11 | dvm1981 | kevix: hhmm, right, i forget that :-/ But i test a last one :-) |
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| 13:53.51 | goran | i am currently using gkrellm for graphical system monitoring. is something better around? |
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| 13:54.03 | kevix | pokute_: apt-cache show libsdl.... |
| 13:54.17 | kevix | goran: better how? |
| 13:54.45 | derek6543 | wmcpuload,asmem,wmix,wmnd |
| 13:54.46 | goran | kevix, more powerful, more impressive, more capable. |
| 13:54.50 | derek6543 | thats what i use |
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| 13:55.36 | pokute_ | kevix: Thanks. I thin I'll just try to "extract" libsdl1.2_1.2.9-0.1.diff.gz to my cvs checkout of libsdl. |
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| 13:56.27 | dvm1981 | goran: Like derek6543 al say. Look also for all the wm... things, verry good |
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| 13:56.42 | derek6543 | hell ya :D |
| 13:57.08 | cisco | hi |
| 13:57.13 | derek6543 | hello |
| 13:57.21 | kevix | pokute_: it seems sdl is a 'group' project. |
| 13:57.22 | dvm1981 | goran: gkrellm eat to many memory :-/ |
| 13:57.30 | dvm1981 | yep |
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| 13:58.09 | dvm1981 | Shit another M$ on that old P1, hi hi format the shit :-) |
| 13:59.06 | goran | derek6543, are those wm's debian packages? |
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| 13:59.18 | dvm1981 | goran: yep |
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| 13:59.29 | derek6543 | oh ya |
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| 13:59.49 | derek6543 | got my slitlist all pimped out |
| 13:59.52 | derek6543 | hehe |
| 14:00.05 | kevix | goran: window maker is on debian. those are windowmaker apps |
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| 14:00.36 | parityflag | hello... |
| 14:00.45 | derek6543 | hello |
| 14:00.54 | goran | kevix, ok, thks. |
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| 14:01.20 | secher | I need a suggestion on a super simple email client, CLI, that'll be used simply for communication between 2 users on the same system. |
| 14:01.31 | dvm1981 | mutt |
| 14:01.58 | secher | Good, I was hoping someone would suggest mutt. Thanks |
| 14:02.13 | goran | i have just installed synaptic. it has a classification system for the packages. i thought openoffice would be under 'office' but isn't such class. help, anyone? |
| 14:02.19 | parityflag | hey, I updated 'login', but I chose not to replace the old config file (/etc/login.def) now there are some errors every time I login... so the reason must be the old config. how do I 'reinstall' that package, so I can choose to overwrite it with the new version? |
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| 14:02.42 | dvm1981 | 1 minute online, an new record :-/ |
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| 14:04.11 | dvm1981 | goran: Look for debtags |
| 14:04.20 | parityflag | package or what? |
| 14:04.22 | freevo | i am getting this error while trying to compile kernel from debian source : http://channels.debian.net/paste/1915 |
| 14:04.36 | parityflag | oops |
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| 14:04.44 | goran | dvm1981, look under where? no such class. |
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| 14:04.54 | kevix | goran: apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 14:05.06 | dvm1981 | goran: In synaptic, simply do an search. There are another tool that help you e bit more to 'browse' the packages |
| 14:05.19 | dvm1981 | goran: Search button |
| 14:05.21 | dvm1981 | ... |
| 14:05.28 | goran | ok |
| 14:05.52 | kevix | parityflag: apt-get --reinstall install login ? |
| 14:06.13 | dvm1981 | goran: Also do then a search for OOo |
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| 14:07.09 | goran | dvm1981, the 'search' is going to be a handy tool. |
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| 14:07.23 | parityflag | kevix, yes.. but that doesnt prompt for config files! it just installs the package again, it doesnt ask, just keeps the old config |
| 14:07.23 | freevo | locate is best |
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| 14:07.44 | dvm1981 | goran: Searching in the real life also ;-) |
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| 14:08.18 | Rambo3 | updatedb && locate file |
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| 14:08.44 | derek6543 | when I try to boot my own kernel grub complains and says "Invalid or unsupported executable format".Anyone know how to fix that? |
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| 14:10.02 | dvm1981 | goran: Find what you need? Not forget to update the database, upgrade then install. |
| 14:10.08 | abrotman | derek6543: fix the kernel? |
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| 14:10.18 | goran | dvm1981, yeh, thks. |
| 14:10.35 | derek6543 | not sure there is anything to fix :) |
| 14:10.56 | dvm1981 | goran: Oh, yes the 'reload' button, then 'Mark all upgrades' and i suggest the smart way ... |
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| 14:11.18 | abrotman | derek6543: but it doesn't work ... |
| 14:11.41 | derek6543 | om using the same config file as the stock kernel |
| 14:11.41 | abrotman | derek6543: how did you make your kernel ? |
| 14:11.46 | Rambo3 | i am getting this error while trying to compile kernel from debian source : http://channels.debian.net/paste/1915 |
| 14:12.07 | derek6543 | make; make modules; make modules_install |
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| 14:12.30 | abrotman | !tell derek6543 about kp |
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| 14:12.56 | derek6543 | oh cool,thanks I will try that |
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| 14:13.56 | kevix | parityflag: what file did you want to get? |
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| 14:15.08 | Kemurii | hi, I always instaleld Debian using the installer CDs etc.. but how can you start the installer once booted and logged in in the Rescue? |
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| 14:15.17 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 14:15.17 | dpkg | [debootstrap] <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 14:15.39 | parityflag | kevix, /etc/login.defs from login |
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| 14:16.05 | parityflag | I think there MUST be away to completely re-install a package! _including_ config files |
| 14:16.06 | vin` | abrotman: but debootstrap is not the right thing to use from rescue mode. |
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| 14:16.24 | derek6543 | there is |
| 14:16.28 | useruser | parityflag: man apt, look for purge |
| 14:16.29 | kevix | parityflag: you can use dpkg -x in a /tmp and then mv the file |
| 14:16.33 | jm_ | dpkg asks you if you want to replace config files when installing the package ... |
| 14:17.01 | parityflag | jm_, as it seems to me, only the first time install |
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| 14:17.25 | parityflag | useruser, I cant do purge, because it's an essential package... |
| 14:17.47 | ootput | why are you in rescue-mode for the installation? |
| 14:17.51 | jm_ | parityflag: you can always force it |
| 14:17.56 | kevix | parityflag: exactly! |
| 14:18.04 | goran | dvm1981, i have a whole installation in another partition that i now cannot login to. i can still access its file system. can i xfer the installed packages in the old partition to the new one? |
| 14:18.11 | kevix | jm_: its LOGIN! |
| 14:18.24 | Kemurii | ootput: some root-server thing, where I can boot into rescue mode for Debian, and figure out how to install it over the SuSE :) |
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| 14:18.28 | abrotman | vin`: that is what he asked :) |
| 14:18.37 | liberion | hey guys im trying to build a server i have 2 nics how do i get them to bridge? |
| 14:18.58 | liberion | one goes to the net the other to the router |
| 14:18.59 | abrotman | liberion: google "linux bridge" but what do you want a bridge for? |
| 14:19.07 | newbie | hallo. Ich möchte eine verschlüsselte partition auf meienr externen anlegen, dort dann backups hinterlegen. |
| 14:19.13 | nkuttler | !de |
| 14:19.13 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 14:19.14 | abrotman | german? |
| 14:19.15 | abrotman | !de |
| 14:19.17 | abrotman | bah |
| 14:19.21 | kevix | !debtakeover |
| 14:19.22 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 14:19.25 | parityflag | ok, yes the force-things. but that's quite uhm... raw. it shouldnt be necessary to remove essential packages |
| 14:19.30 | newbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.37 | dvm1981 | goran: I think, the best method. Try to find the problem. So learn from it. I can not say more |
| 14:19.39 | newbie | also hab ich in fdisk reingeschautder sagt mir |
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| 14:19.41 | abrotman | newbie: #debian.de please |
| 14:19.41 | ootput | ehe |
| 14:19.51 | newbie | /dev/sda3 22976 24321 10811745 83 Linux |
| 14:19.57 | liberion | abrotman, well i mean one nic is connecting to the net the other is connecting the the router i just want a signal |
| 14:19.58 | newbie | ohhsorry!!! |
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| 14:20.13 | kevix | parityflag: you can use dpkg -x in a /tmp and then mv the file |
| 14:20.13 | abrotman | liberion: but .. a bridge? |
| 14:20.16 | parityflag | well... kevix, I will unpack it, like you've said and then copy it. but with all those nice tools, I think that shouldnt be necessary |
| 14:20.19 | abrotman | !bridge |
| 14:20.19 | Kemurii | so no love for me in the rescue mode to install? shall I figure something else out? :) |
| 14:20.19 | dpkg | Bridges link two or more network segments that use the samenetwork technology. The network topologies do not have to be the same,i.e. you can bridge Ethernet and Token Ring. If the protocols are not thesame on segments, then you've got a router. Bridges are used to reducenetwork traffic, increase cable distance (by acting as a repeater), andalso to link dissimilar network topologies that run the same networkprotocol. |
| 14:20.27 | ootput | liberion: the server is before the router? |
| 14:21.12 | kevix | parityflag: until I find a better way, I use what works! |
| 14:21.24 | dvm1981 | goran: An idea why you can not login? Remeber you the lastest thing you have do? |
| 14:21.27 | ootput | Kemurii: you're not after debootstrap-strapped live-cds are you? |
| 14:21.38 | ootput | Kemurii: something like grml? |
| 14:21.43 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there any utility in debian which uploads files to a ftp server? (console version) |
| 14:21.48 | abrotman | liberion: perhaps you sohuld try to describe a bit better |
| 14:21.56 | abrotman | hid3: ftp? scp? lftp? ncftp? |
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| 14:22.12 | Kemurii | ootput: I can only boot/log into the rescue of Sarge, and that's it.. I have no other ways to go to the machine |
| 14:22.18 | parityflag | kevix, hehe, ok |
| 14:22.21 | ootput | hid3: there are plenty of perl scripts that automate it, if that's what you'rea fter |
| 14:22.45 | hid3 | Will google for them, thanks. |
| 14:22.45 | ootput | Kemurii: oh, with your bootloader |
| 14:22.50 | abrotman | hid3: apt-cache search ? |
| 14:22.54 | dvm1981 | kevix: No solution, like you have been say, i need to put the HDD out and plug it in another... |
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| 14:23.15 | kevix | Kemurii: you can use a live cd and then chroot to your server and then fix it. |
| 14:23.19 | Kemurii | ootput: reading boot parameters now.. but that is last resort |
| 14:23.23 | dvm1981 | kevix: He is not happy this pc. An old one ... :-/ |
| 14:23.53 | ootput | Kemurii: no, sorry, that wasn't a tip or anything.. just trying to make sense of what you're trying |
| 14:23.53 | Kemurii | kevix: Iand how do I get that live cd there? |
| 14:23.57 | Kemurii | -l |
| 14:24.13 | goran | dvm1981, i do a 'rsync' to cp the installation in the old partition to a bigger one. after that the system complain about /etc/shadow missing. /etc/shadow is the encrypted passwd file. i try to use the backup cp of /etc/shadow but it doesn't work. |
| 14:24.19 | kevix | dvm1981: you can always email to the debian-user list, they have better help there... |
| 14:24.25 | Kemurii | I'm booting in the rescue, I can login via SSH.. there is no way to start the installer form the rescue cd? |
| 14:24.28 | liberion | ootput, its just a filter to fiter out certain sites a guys own a computer shop and hes partially blind .his employees are downloading mp3 and avis that are comsuiming his bandwidth .he wants me to build a cache server to fiter out such content and the box will have 2 nics one nic connects straight to the net the other to the router |
| 14:25.01 | dvm1981 | kevix: Yes, for the xyz time, you're right ;-) |
| 14:25.21 | liberion | ootput, and i cant seem to get it to get an internet connection this way |
| 14:25.31 | abrotman | liberion: you could use it as a router .. i don't think you need a bridge .. though it could work |
| 14:25.51 | abrotman | i'm not sure what being partially blind has to do with filtering content |
| 14:26.17 | kevix | Kemurii: do you have any live cd: like knoppix? |
| 14:26.25 | ootput | his employees are taking advantage of the fact that he can't oversee all operations |
| 14:26.27 | Kemurii | kevix: I have billions of them |
| 14:26.35 | abrotman | !punish ootput for bad jokes |
| 14:26.36 | liberion | abrotman, he cant keep a close eye that well on his employees lol |
| 14:26.39 | Kemurii | kevix: but I have no access to that machine, it's 1000km away from here :) |
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| 14:27.02 | abrotman | liberion: you can do it as a bridge .. or another router .. and for that matter . if you do it as a router .. you could even give him a DMZ for external resources |
| 14:27.08 | Kemurii | trying to ask sysadmins to put in base install now.. |
| 14:27.16 | ootput | abrotman: oh no, that wasn't an attempt at being funny |
| 14:27.18 | Kemurii | looks like impossible or totally weird to start installer from rescue cd |
| 14:27.19 | dvm1981 | goran: So you need to make that file again. But if that one are missing, i think there are many more missing files then ... |
| 14:27.23 | kevix | Kemurii: what are you trying to do to a remote server again? |
| 14:27.24 | liberion | abrotman, dmz? |
| 14:27.27 | abrotman | !dmz |
| 14:27.27 | dpkg | somebody said dmz was De-militarized Zone, or usually a separate network that has limited access to your internal systems and is accessible in limited ways from untrusted networks like the internet as well |
| 14:27.42 | Kemurii | kevix: Installing Debian, the only thing I can do is boot in rescue mode |
| 14:28.04 | vin` | !fixmbr |
| 14:28.04 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target), then chroot into it (chroot /target), then run "grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub". |
| 14:28.18 | kevix | !tell Kemurii about debtakeover |
| 14:28.56 | vin` | Kemurii: how did your machine end up in that state? |
| 14:29.00 | liberion | someone tell me if this is true or not he says you must do it this way nic in thru internet and in thru router im not sure if this is true |
| 14:29.21 | Kemurii | vin`: I asked to reboot into that |
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| 14:29.32 | Kemurii | kevix: I'll look into that |
| 14:29.40 | Kemurii | looks like they going to manually install Debian now |
| 14:29.42 | abrotman | liberion: does his router have a static IP ? |
| 14:29.44 | ootput | liberion: what is the purpose of the server besides filtering? |
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| 14:29.51 | abrotman | liberion: on the outside i mean |
| 14:29.53 | dvm1981 | goran: I not understand the problem you have, or how you become to that. |
| 14:29.56 | Kemurii | but I'm not giving up, will try this stuff out more later on |
| 14:30.01 | abrotman | liberion: just so you're aware .. you could also put the content filter on the inside |
| 14:30.22 | liberion | abrotman, static |
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| 14:30.36 | abrotman | liberion: you could put the content filter on the inside .. |
| 14:30.40 | kevix | !dansguardian |
| 14:30.40 | dpkg | i heard dansguardian is a web filtering (content-based) tool. Available as a Debian package. |
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| 14:31.08 | Kemurii | never used Sarge stable.. been a woody all along.. I'm currious |
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| 14:31.14 | goran | dvm1981, there is something not right about rsync. i have read about this problem occurring to some other users. i think the limux community should be warned against it. |
| 14:32.00 | Kemurii | ok, thanks guys :) |
| 14:32.41 | ootput | liberion: though i doubt dg would be able to catch non-http-port-data |
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| 14:33.26 | nairu | ragazzi ciao a tutti |
| 14:33.29 | abrotman | ootput: any decent firewall/router should be able to kill that |
| 14:33.39 | abrotman | !it |
| 14:33.39 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 14:33.49 | dvm1981 | goran: there is an '--compare-dest=DIR' option :-/ i not know if that has help to verify the writed data. |
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| 14:34.00 | ootput | liberion: why do the employees need net access? do they need to check online pricing? |
| 14:34.19 | ginpb | necesito ayuda con el audio alguien me puede ayudar |
| 14:34.23 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:34.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:34.26 | abrotman | !it |
| 14:34.26 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 14:35.34 | fireba11 | abrotman: it's sometimes pretty hard to guess the language people are talking in here :-) |
| 14:35.49 | hondadude | hi, i am trying to change folder permissions on a shared folder, i am not so good at it and nothing is working |
| 14:35.54 | ootput | liberion: because then you'd be able to block all outbound traffic save for packets destined for the neccessary host |
| 14:36.08 | fireba11 | hondadude: how is that folder shared ? ftp ?samba ? |
| 14:36.08 | abrotman | fireba11: well .. it looked spanish .. but then i saw he was from .it |
| 14:36.14 | hondadude | samba |
| 14:36.20 | hondadude | i can view it only |
| 14:36.30 | kevix | fireba11: de aquerdo! |
| 14:36.47 | fireba11 | hondadude: you need to edit samba.conf then .. it can overwrite file permissions |
| 14:37.01 | goran | dvm1981, nice talking to u. got to go. bye. |
| 14:37.12 | hondadude | yes, any sugestions ? |
| 14:37.32 | fireba11 | hondadude: post you samba.conf part in #flood |
| 14:37.43 | hondadude | ok |
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| 14:38.55 | dorel | i've done apt-get install x-window-system gnome gdm |
| 14:39.01 | dorel | x is starting fine, but no gnome. |
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| 14:39.38 | kevix | dorel: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 14:40.36 | dorel | hmm, should it matter? |
| 14:40.46 | dorel | im thinking maybe checking .xsession? |
| 14:40.48 | Eulex | yay, libfreetype6 b0rkage in testing is fixed :) |
| 14:41.00 | abrotman | it was broken? |
| 14:42.43 | kevix | abrotman: saw the wedding photo on planet x-) going to mexico? |
| 14:42.51 | abrotman | kevix: btw .. that was cake! |
| 14:42.57 | Eulex | abrotman, well, the new libxft2 in testing needed libfreetype6 2.1.10, but that package wasn't in testing yet. caused "undefined symbol: FT_GlyphSlot_Embolden" |
| 14:42.59 | abrotman | !punish damog for not mentioning that it was cake |
| 14:43.10 | abrotman | kevix: undecided as of yet |
| 14:43.21 | kevix | abrotman: no comment x-) |
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| 14:43.39 | wwallace_ | hi guys |
| 14:43.42 | abrotman | Eulex: ah ok |
| 14:43.44 | wwallace_ | hoe do intall this? |
| 14:43.49 | dorel | weird i never had to restart gdm before |
| 14:43.49 | wwallace_ | hi abrotman |
| 14:43.52 | abrotman | with a backhoe? |
| 14:43.53 | wwallace_ | wwallace@mp3j:~$ cd xmms-pitch/ |
| 14:43.53 | wwallace_ | wwallace@mp3j:~/xmms-pitch$ ls |
| 14:43.53 | wwallace_ | Makefile libpitch.so pitch.c pitch.o |
| 14:43.53 | wwallace_ | wwallace@mp3j:~/xmms-pitch$ |
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| 14:43.57 | abrotman | yay! |
| 14:44.01 | dvm1981 | bye |
| 14:44.09 | abrotman | kanotix user dies! .. no film at 11 |
| 14:44.11 | dorel | i'd actually be interested to check the logs but its on my friends laptop |
| 14:44.19 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
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| 14:45.16 | kevix | dorel: did you restart gdm ? |
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| 14:50.03 | _l3m | how can i check if a certain package is installed with apt-get ? |
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| 14:50.19 | RichiH | dpkg -l | grep -i package |
| 14:50.20 | dpkg | ii | grep -i package 3.3-3.2 richih's private porn collection |
| 14:50.23 | dvm1981 | _l3m: with dpkg |
| 14:50.24 | stew | _l3m: apt-cache policy packagename ; look for Installed: |
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| 14:50.26 | _l3m | thanks! |
| 14:50.28 | RichiH | heh |
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| 14:50.35 | dvm1981 | _l3m: dpkg --status <package> |
| 14:50.50 | RichiH | dvm1981: he needs to know the exact name for that, though |
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| 14:51.57 | dvm1981 | RichiH: Bwa, i was thinking that he need that :-/ |
| 14:52.05 | stew | since he said "certain package" i assumed he knew the exact name |
| 14:52.59 | dvm1981 | stew: I was also thinking so :-/ |
| 14:53.12 | RichiH | true |
| 14:53.18 | RichiH | -l is more robust, though ;) |
| 14:53.35 | stew | policy is more informative :) |
| 14:53.50 | ariel | although apt-get encourages me to purge hotplug package by removing them, my mouse and other usb devices dont work. what does it mean? |
| 14:54.15 | pipeline | ariel: Purge hotplug, install udev, reboot, things will work again. |
| 14:54.27 | dvm1981 | RichiH: I note it down, it's looks also useful :-0 |
| 14:55.06 | ariel | pipeline: thanks, gonna try it. be right back |
| 14:55.54 | amee2k | how can i configure two ipv4 addresses for the same interface? |
| 14:56.51 | pipeline | amee2k: man ifconfig, search for "alias" |
| 14:56.53 | dvm1981 | stew : Yes i see :-) |
| 14:57.08 | pipeline | amee2k: If you use "less" as your pager, the "/" key will search. |
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| 14:57.48 | Zvpun | how can I see whethere and which fonts are included in a ps file. |
| 14:57.54 | Nemphilis | buenos dias |
| 14:58.06 | dvm1981 | Bonjour |
| 14:58.12 | dvm1981 | but ... |
| 14:58.38 | curt | !es |
| 14:58.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:58.56 | amee2k | pipeline: hm... i only see a note that since 2.2 kernel there is no explicit statistics for alias interfaces anymore |
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| 14:59.41 | bust3r_ | im trying to make debian my router/firewall with shorewall but when i wanna start shorewall it says Error: No policy defined from zone net to zone fw |
| 14:59.51 | bust3r_ | any idea what that might be ? :/ |
| 15:00.18 | kevix | bust3r_: did you read /usr/share/doc/shorewall/* |
| 15:00.26 | bust3r_ | yea |
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| 15:00.52 | kspath | rinse and repeat |
| 15:00.53 | bust3r_ | and i added all the stuff from this tutorial i found online but i get that error :/ |
| 15:01.01 | bibe | hi all. I'd like to get the debian "standard" kernel .config file for the linux-image-2.6.16-rc3 which I see is in current development. I'd like to build a generic kernel from those sources |
| 15:01.16 | pipeline | amee2k: Search from the top of the file. |
| 15:01.57 | amee2k | pipeline: i do. typed "/alias" in less and ended up in the notes section |
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| 15:02.43 | amee2k | it's ifconfig/1.42 on deb/3.1 |
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| 15:05.12 | vansan | hallo spricht hir wer deutsch? |
| 15:05.26 | stew | !de |
| 15:05.26 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 15:05.27 | kspath | !tell vansan about de |
| 15:05.49 | vansan | ok danke |
| 15:06.00 | kspath | bitte |
| 15:06.23 | streuner | vansan: /msg nickserv help |
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| 15:12.07 | beered | I have a local DNS setup and working just fine. But for some freaking reason I see a few local IP's going out to 239.255.255.253 etc. I guess these are root DNS servers. Is that normal? |
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| 15:13.07 | bbrazil | beered: that's multicast iirc |
| 15:14.07 | stew | yeah anything >= 224 is multicast |
| 15:14.19 | Rawplayer | multikaas |
| 15:14.56 | bbrazil | beered: its probably some apples doing Rendevous |
| 15:15.06 | stew | actually not anything above but 224-239 |
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| 15:16.30 | kspath | Check IANA for IP blocks and Ports |
| 15:17.06 | beered | bbrazil: I don't understand why... |
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| 15:17.41 | beered | danieldg: bbrazil: ...and I do have Mac! |
| 15:18.04 | beered | dannyp_ = bbrazil |
| 15:18.06 | beered | :) |
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| 15:18.19 | bbrazil | beered: a quick google indicates some form of service discovery |
| 15:18.30 | geemark | does anyone know of a program that lets me convert a 9-page pdf to 9 1-page pdfs? |
| 15:18.44 | beered | bbrazil: its the damned Apple mDNS. |
| 15:18.54 | kspath | bbrazil: It is apparently more fun to talk about something in #debian than research it. |
| 15:19.01 | geemark | ...or just 9 images |
| 15:19.03 | tombs | hi all |
| 15:19.08 | bbrazil | kspath: this is generally the case in support channels |
| 15:19.33 | beered | bbrazil: Apple's mDNS has been pain in the but to disable. I think they cann that shit Randevouz or something. |
| 15:19.42 | beered | cann = call |
| 15:19.58 | kspath | butt not but |
| 15:20.05 | beered | ignore kspath |
| 15:20.11 | beered | ehe |
| 15:20.16 | beered | ehe = hehe |
| 15:20.20 | beered | :) |
| 15:20.26 | Kakihara | anyone able to give me an idea why linux26 can't detect my hard drive but the 2.4 can? Is there a list of chipsets that the kernel supports? If it helps my drive is a Hitachi HTS721010G9AT00 |
| 15:20.31 | kspath | beered =? drunk |
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| 15:21.30 | kspath | Kakihara: Is it a laptop? |
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| 15:22.42 | Kakihara | kspath: yes - a Dell XPS M170 |
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| 15:23.01 | fluxdude | I've got vsftpd configured with ssl with generated cert but it still listens on port 21 instead of 990 for ftp+ssl |
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| 15:23.39 | zebalin4 | Kakihara: what version of kernel (uname -a) are you using? |
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| 15:24.01 | kspath | Kakihara: It helps a little if you mention things like that so if someone else has the same hardware they will recognise the name and might be able to assist you. |
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| 15:25.32 | Kakihara | kspath: sure, sorry |
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| 15:26.54 | curt | geemark, pdftk |
| 15:27.22 | Kakihara | zeblin4: Just finding the exact version out for you. I've burnt the latest netinst cd. If I do a standard boot (.e. 2.4) it installs fine. If I boot linux26 it can't detect any partitionable media |
| 15:28.11 | Kakihara | zeblin4: a-i386 |
| 15:28.46 | Kakihara | zebalin4: the disk is debian-31r1a-i386 |
| 15:29.20 | geemark | curt: thanks |
| 15:29.21 | zebalin4 | Kakihara: go to a terminal and type in: uname -a |
| 15:29.36 | zebalin4 | Kakihara: copy and paste the one line you get back. |
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| 15:30.04 | curt | geemark, i haven't used it much so your on your own there... |
| 15:30.25 | pipeline | Kakihara: Boot in expert26 mode and load more modules |
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| 15:32.30 | Kakihara | zebalin4: you want to know the kernel I'm trying to install and can't, or the kernal I've successfully installed? If it's the former, do you mean you want me to load the ash shell during the attempted installation? |
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| 15:33.08 | carbon60 | I'm feeling stupid: I have a system where a process is often causing CPU in top to hit 100% user but I can't figure out which process it actually is. |
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| 15:34.31 | fireba11 | carbon60: top ? |
| 15:34.34 | Kakihara | zebalin4: sorry if I misunderstand you completely |
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| 15:34.40 | fireba11 | carbon60: ups |
| 15:34.45 | carbon60 | fireba11: ups? |
| 15:35.08 | fireba11 | carbon60: so you see the process in top but don#t know hwat it is ? |
| 15:35.22 | carbon60 | fireba11: No, I don't see the process in top when I sort by CPU%. |
| 15:35.27 | carbon60 | Which doesn't make sense. |
| 15:35.35 | zebalin4 | Kakihara: I didn't realize you were trying to install. I thought you added a 2nd HD drive. I know that some versions of 2.6.14 have a problem with some Intel chip sets. Have you tried using acpi=off as a boot parm? Or napic as well? |
| 15:35.49 | fireba11 | carbon60: top is sorted by CPU by default .. how you know you got 100% CPU ? |
| 15:35.55 | zebalin4 | *noapic |
| 15:36.16 | carbon60 | fireba11: The line in the top header "Cpu(s):" |
| 15:36.22 | hatake_kakashi | fireba11: usually the ones that take most of the CPU usage usually appears top on the list |
| 15:36.24 | carbon60 | Cpu(s): 99.0% us, |
| 15:36.29 | carbon60 | At the moment. |
| 15:36.44 | carbon60 | But the first line is " 1 root 16 0 1504 512 1352 S 0.0 0.0 0:01.69 init " |
| 15:36.56 | fireba11 | and it's not shoing anything even close to that CPU use in the list ? |
| 15:37.04 | carbon60 | fireba11: Correct. |
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| 15:37.36 | carbon60 | Load is currently 2.0 and the list shows nothing taking CPU. |
| 15:37.53 | Kakihara | pipeline: I will do. Are you able to tell me which modules? Presumably it's dependent my my drive's controller? |
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| 15:38.08 | zebalin4 | Kakihara: personally, I would get a liveCD (such as Kanotix which is 99% pure debian) and see if that runs on laptop and sees your HD. That might help diagnoise the problem. |
| 15:38.15 | aarkerio | somebody is testing the OSX on intel? |
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| 15:38.54 | fireba11 | carbon60: anything suspicious in ps aux ? |
| 15:38.59 | nAAnunAAne | anyone know how to configure a USB modem |
| 15:39.11 | nAAnunAAne | i have a beetle USB modem |
| 15:39.27 | carbon60 | fireba11: Well, I suspect that it's Zope that is causing the problem. I just can't prove it. |
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| 15:40.12 | dreamer__ | argh, hi all, debian/linux-noob here |
| 15:40.21 | carbon60 | fireba11: I'm not sure what to look for in ps. |
| 15:40.35 | Kakihara | zebalin4: I haven't tried the parameters you suggested above. This is my very first exposure to linux. I'm looking up Kanotix now. Got one more question - how do I remove Linux without having GRUB report an error and fail? I need to reload XP afterwards |
| 15:41.06 | fireba11 | carbon60: only thing i can imagine right now is that the top list only shows real CPU usage where as the list at the top shows IOwaits as well |
| 15:41.22 | carbon60 | Erm? |
| 15:41.37 | carbon60 | So, this could be an IO problem? |
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| 15:42.04 | fireba11 | carbon60: you could have something running with huge IO waits .. that is a process that is waiting for disk ... that may not be shown in the top list since it's kernel time |
| 15:42.12 | dreamer__ | I just installed a minimal-debian on an old p1 200mmx (wich on this motherboard only reads as a 133mmx), I'm afraid to say that it isn't connected to the network yet (still waiting for a router), but isn't there an X on this OS ? |
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| 15:42.17 | upstart | n |
| 15:42.19 | carbon60 | fireba11: But it says 100% user… |
| 15:42.23 | stew | fireba11: but he said user% not wait% or sys% |
| 15:42.30 | fireba11 | stew: true |
| 15:42.50 | zebalin4 | Kakihara: if this is your first exposure to linux, you are in the worng place. Debian is NOT for you. You want to start out with one of the liveCD derivatives of Debian. I recommend either Kanotix or Mepis. If you like one, you can install it alongside of XP and at boot you get a choice as to what you want. But first run it LIVE off CD to see how it works. |
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| 15:43.11 | fireba11 | stew: never had soemthing now show up with top .. you got any ideas ? |
| 15:44.08 | dreamer__ | can anybody help my with my Q ? |
| 15:44.22 | carbon60 | Hold on, I'm going to post a screenshot of top. |
| 15:44.32 | fireba11 | carbon60: okay |
| 15:45.31 | zebalin4 | Kakihara: I run both Debian (testing) and Kanotix (which is sid). Each has advantages and disadvantages... but a newbie like you should start out with a Live CD. Mepis is good. Lots of folks like Ubuntu, but I don't. |
| 15:45.51 | stew | carbon60: could you possibly be 0wned? |
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| 15:46.03 | carbon60 | http://www.sherman.ca/paste/top.png |
| 15:46.08 | carbon60 | stew: I bloody hope not. |
| 15:46.10 | zebalin4 | Kakihara: go to distrowatch.com for more info. |
| 15:46.24 | Kakihara | zebalin4: Thank you for the advice. I'll go for a liveCD derivative. |
| 15:46.29 | carbon60 | It is unlikely as this is a very new system that I setup recently and has exhibited the problem since almost day one. |
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| 15:46.50 | carbon60 | I think I'm just not interpreting things correctly. |
| 15:47.01 | zebalin4 | Kakihara: this is also a good list: http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php |
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| 15:47.21 | broomy | my friend just installed debian on his AMD64 with the testing netinstall cd for AMD64 and now the repositorys wont work, wt tried the swedish and the german servers but they wont work, what could be the problem? |
| 15:47.23 | Kakihara | zebalin4: I want to remove Debian. If I just delete the partition as I did earlier, GRUB fails at startup and I can't load XP |
| 15:47.26 | fireba11 | carbon60: you do .. you got an unusual CPU setup that might get top to screw up ? |
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| 15:47.32 | carbon60 | I guess I could prove that Zope is the culprit by shutting it down in the evening or something. |
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| 15:47.39 | carbon60 | fireba11: Like what? |
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| 15:47.58 | fireba11 | carbon60: like two dul core CPUs or so :-) |
| 15:48.00 | Schuyler | question |
| 15:48.05 | carbon60 | Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.80GHz with HyperThreading disabled. |
| 15:48.11 | Schuyler | why is dpkg-buildpackage looking for debian/movelist? |
| 15:48.20 | Schuyler | what's it supposed to do? |
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| 15:48.41 | arsen | how do i stop gdm from starting on bootup? :o |
| 15:49.03 | fireba11 | arsen: user profile |
| 15:49.14 | arsen | ?:x |
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| 15:49.42 | tripz | hi, ive installed courier-mta (in sarge), when mail server gets a mail from remote host i get a "courieresmtpd: error,relay".."450 Service temporarlily unavailable" error in mail.err and syslog.. anyone have courier working on stable? |
| 15:49.45 | stew | misha-strong: please don't /msg me, keep it here in the channel |
| 15:49.59 | fireba11 | its in /home/user/.bashrc i think |
| 15:50.23 | misha-strong | k, i just do it so it alerts you |
| 15:50.31 | arsen | righto |
| 15:50.32 | arsen | cheers |
| 15:50.35 | fireba11 | carbon60: i guess you googled for possible reasons ? |
| 15:50.39 | sandman | Why is webmin not in etch? |
| 15:50.43 | arsen | brb booting deb ;x (its mate with a problem with gdm ) |
| 15:50.49 | carbon60 | fireba11: Don't even know what to Google for. |
| 15:51.07 | stew | misha-strong: please don't do it, becuase it alerts me |
| 15:52.02 | zebalin4 | Kakihara: yeah, if you delete the partiion, grub will have no menu.lst to use. You now have a paperweight. Either boot the XP cd and fix your MBR (someone here will know command) OR get a LiveCD (Kanotix) and install it (if it runs well) and it will put in new copy of grub and mbr. |
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| 15:53.18 | zebalin4 | Kakihara: the install of Kanotix is about 5 clicks and 18 minutes. Mepis is about the same. If you have the debian partition, leave it as either can use it. |
| 15:54.02 | zebalin4 | Kakihara: bottom line, you got in way over your head with Debian if this is your first experience with Linux. Use one of the zillion Live CDs out there and then if you like, move UP to debian. |
| 15:54.06 | zebalin4 | End of sermon. |
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| 15:55.17 | Kakihara | zebalin4: thanks for all your help. |
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| 15:56.25 | misha-strong | well basically it goes like this: i need to install e2fsprogs, and both my shutdown command (sysv or something) and my network dont work |
| 15:56.51 | misha-strong | my network used to work before i uninstalled e2fsprogs |
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| 15:57.12 | zebalin4 | Kakihara: happy to do so. Again, get yourself a Kanotix download (iso) burn it, and run it on your laptop. If you don't like it, get Mepis... or PCLinuxOS (which is also popular). Debian is not for newbies. |
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| 15:57.50 | BlueBeret | hi, could someone help me with setting up glx? I use kde and have installed nvidia-glx package, but it seems not to be set up. I can't find out what's left to do. |
| 15:58.02 | fireba11 | misha-strong: youse a live-CD and chroot |
| 15:58.23 | misha-strong | no cdrom, its a colinux (linux as a windows process) |
| 15:58.29 | foks | BlueBeret: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
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| 16:00.56 | misha-strong | i didnt purge e2fsprogs, maybe this might help? |
| 16:01.00 | fireba11 | carbon60: hm .. i'm afraid i'm out of ideas for now. .. |
| 16:01.08 | carbon60 | Damn. |
| 16:01.12 | fireba11 | misha-strong: a try won't hurt |
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| 16:01.49 | stew | misha-strong: it won't matter, e2fsprogs doens't have any conffiles |
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| 16:02.18 | misha-strong | i have just found out i have no idea what purge means :x |
| 16:02.19 | stew | misha-strong: why can't you install e2fsprogs or sysv-rc? |
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| 16:02.26 | fireba11 | misha-strong: though i can't imagine how that could have messed it up |
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| 16:02.59 | misha-strong | Package e2fsprogs has no available version, but exists in the database. |
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| 16:03.20 | misha-strong | - apt-get, Feb 2006 |
| 16:03.36 | stew | misha-strong: post your sources.list to a pastebin |
| 16:03.46 | broomy | my friend just installed debian on his AMD64 with the testing netinstall cd for AMD64 and now the repositorys wont work, wt tried the swedish and the german servers but they wont work, what could be the problem? |
| 16:03.55 | misha-strong | um, pastebin? |
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| 16:04.15 | fireba11 | broomy: he got internet working at all ? |
| 16:04.16 | stew | misha-strong: use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 16:04.27 | broomy | fireba11, yupp internet is working |
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| 16:05.24 | misha-strong | its only one line: deb ftp://ftp.sun.ac.za/debian/ stable main |
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| 16:05.45 | stew | misha-strong: have you run apt-get update/ |
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| 16:05.57 | Overand | can someone help me with the syntax to use with grep that will allow me to find two different strings? |
| 16:06.11 | stew | Overand: grep -e "foo|bar" |
| 16:06.31 | misha-strong | my net dont work since i uninstalled e2fsprogs: Something wicked happened resolving 'ftp.sun.ac.za:ftp' (-3) |
| 16:06.32 | dreamer__ | how do I use X on a fresh minimal debian install ? |
| 16:06.39 | Overand | stew: thanks |
| 16:06.40 | Estes2 | Anyone could suggest a mail client that has a GUI, that's as nice to use as kmail that's not utterly buggy ? |
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| 16:06.52 | misha-strong | thunderbird /o/ |
| 16:07.34 | foks | \o\ sylpheed |
| 16:07.53 | Ronin | Estes2: slypheed, sylpheed-claws, heck evolution on stable |
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| 16:08.11 | dreamer__ | nobody ? |
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| 16:08.31 | misha-strong | stew, maybe you could help me get my network online, no config necessary, i think i just need to start the right process |
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| 16:09.03 | misha-strong | or file or whatever .. |
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| 16:09.28 | Estes2 | okay, thanks guys, i'll try sylpheed |
| 16:09.43 | Ronin | dreamer__: use X, what do you mean |
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| 16:09.59 | dreamer__ | wel, I can only get in the terminal |
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| 16:10.08 | Ronin | !drxx |
| 16:10.08 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 16:10.17 | dreamer__ | but how do I get into X ? |
| 16:10.18 | sugarmice | If you have /usr/local/lib in ld.so.conf, it shouldn't be searched before /usr/lib and /lib, should it? |
| 16:10.20 | Ronin | assuming of course you installed X fo some sore |
| 16:10.34 | Ronin | dreamer__: obvious question , you tried startx ? |
| 16:10.39 | dreamer__ | I haven't installed it specifcally |
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| 16:10.50 | stew | misha-strong: what card do you have? |
| 16:10.56 | dreamer__ | yes, and it says: command not found |
| 16:11.19 | misha-strong | Its like a colinux emulation, not sure it matters? |
| 16:11.20 | stew | dreamer__: install x-window-system-core |
| 16:11.24 | vin` | dreamer__: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 16:11.38 | fluxdude | is 64 bit actually faster than 32 bit or what? |
| 16:11.40 | Ronin | in that case dreamer__, never mind they beat me to it |
| 16:11.54 | misha-strong | stew, and i definetely dont know what its called |
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| 16:12.15 | dreamer__ | stew: your command isn't working: install too few arguments |
| 16:12.28 | foks | dreamer__: n00b, apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 16:12.29 | vin` | dreamer__: dream on. |
| 16:12.31 | misha-strong | fluxdude, for desktops, 64bit provides no advantages if thats what your asking |
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| 16:13.19 | stew | dreamer__: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 16:13.45 | dreamer__ | package is not available |
| 16:14.07 | stew | dreamer__: run apt-setup |
| 16:14.09 | misha-strong | fluxdude, but for servers you get lots more ram, if you really need it |
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| 16:14.52 | stew | misha-strong: run "lspci | grep Eth" to find out what network card you have |
| 16:15.01 | stew | misha-strong: was the network ever working on this machine? |
| 16:15.12 | misha-strong | stew, just the other day |
| 16:15.20 | dreamer__ | it just sux that that pc isn't on the network yet |
| 16:15.34 | foks | dreamer__: are you sure you're using debian ? |
| 16:16.00 | Ronin | dreamer__:/msg dpkg set up x |
| 16:16.00 | misha-strong | stew, i dont have lspci probably because there is no pci lol |
| 16:16.13 | sugarmice | dreamer__: If I were you I'd get the machine on the network before you worry about X |
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| 16:16.25 | dreamer__ | foks yes, it is debian, but, maybe it's becaus it's the minimal install |
| 16:16.43 | vin` | dreamer__: why no network? |
| 16:16.46 | misha-strong | stew: its like a virtual machine, with one file as the hard disk, and an emulated network to the host |
| 16:16.53 | dreamer__ | I know sugarmice, i just thought X was in this install already |
| 16:17.05 | vin` | dreamer__: it is if you got CD1 |
| 16:17.28 | dreamer__ | vin` , because I'm still waiting for a router (a friend was going to send one) |
| 16:17.35 | dreamer__ | I only have 1 c |
| 16:17.37 | dreamer__ | cd |
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| 16:18.01 | vin` | dreamer__: that'll do for X and gnome/kde |
| 16:18.15 | dreamer__ | then I don't get why it won't read the package |
| 16:18.17 | misha-strong | stew: i just want to know how to "manually" start my network, because my system isnt entering the runlevel or something, its definetely not booting fully |
| 16:18.34 | fluxdude | misha-strong: thanks |
| 16:18.45 | vin` | dreamer__: are you sure it's CD1? there are smaller isos. |
| 16:18.56 | Ronin | dreamer__: only one cd? set up network first then run apt-setup |
| 16:19.02 | dreamer__ | like I said: it's the minimal install |
| 16:19.09 | misha-strong | fluxdude: np |
| 16:19.19 | dreamer__ | yeah, I guess I'm gonna have to wait for that router :/ |
| 16:19.29 | vin` | dreamer__: missed that, X isn't available with the netinstaller. |
| 16:19.41 | dreamer__ | kay |
| 16:19.54 | sugarmice | well, it is, but only after you've got the network up! |
| 16:19.57 | dreamer__ | grr, gonna have to wait then ... damn stoner (he said he would send it ages ago :P) |
| 16:20.05 | PerlSaiyan | I have a problem with ftpd-ssl, when a use tries to PUT, ftpd: SSL_accept DATA error error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number |
| 16:20.09 | vin` | misha-strong: why? almost bought one a couple of weeks back. |
| 16:20.17 | Ronin | why not just remove one box and throw the debian box on teh network |
| 16:20.22 | stew | misha-strong: /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 16:20.25 | misha-strong | vin: its a playful slap |
| 16:20.40 | stew | misha-strong: but you would have to have the module loaded for your network driver |
| 16:20.49 | misha-strong | vin: btw the sempron is extremely slow |
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| 16:21.05 | misha-strong | 50% speed of my old 2.8 p4 from 2003 |
| 16:21.16 | vin` | yikes. |
| 16:21.22 | liberion | hey guys how would someone go about setting up a dmz |
| 16:21.45 | sugarmice | So, anyone got any clues why entries in ld.so.conf are being searched before /usr/lib and /lib? The docs say those two trusted dirs should always be searched first, and on one of my Debian systems, that definitely isn't happening. |
| 16:22.29 | misha-strong | stew: Configuring network interfaces...ifup: failed to open statefile /etc/network/run/ifstate: No such file or directory |
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| 16:22.44 | misha-strong | stew: and ping doesnt work |
| 16:23.02 | misha-strong | (network is unreachable) |
| 16:23.06 | buht-w | can you bind apt to a specific interface on a multihomed PC? I want apt to do its data transfers on eth1 and not eth0 for example |
| 16:23.14 | stew | misha-strong: do you have devfs or udev installed on that machine? |
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| 16:23.54 | misha-strong | stew: remind me again what those are :)? or I suppose ill just try apt- |
| 16:24.11 | stew | misha-strong: /msg dpkg udev ; /msg dpkg devfs |
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| 16:24.59 | dogmeat | my screen is "stuck". i reattach and type, but no characters appear. it seems to be stuck in some control mode |
| 16:25.14 | dogmeat | i can detach it however, C-A, d |
| 16:25.18 | bestmedia | i have a little problem with my hdd, could someone check it? http://pastebin.com/568705 |
| 16:25.22 | stew | dogmeat: try ctrl-q or ctrl-a q |
| 16:25.38 | dogmeat | stew: thanks, what happened? |
| 16:25.55 | vin` | thunder and lightning? |
| 16:26.08 | bestmedia | i'm trying to format my hdd, and i don't know if i'm doing the right steps |
| 16:26.39 | stew | dogmeat: you hit ctrl-s which is kinda like scroll lock. xon flow control |
| 16:26.49 | dogmeat | ok |
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| 16:26.53 | foks | bestmedia: once it's formated you need to create the partition table: cfdisk /dev/hdb |
| 16:27.24 | stew | foks: no other way around, he needs to partition first |
| 16:27.35 | bibe | bestmedia : you don't format a hard disk, you format its partitions |
| 16:27.52 | foks | oups, need to sleep before asking anymore... |
| 16:28.03 | stew | s/asking/answering/ |
| 16:28.08 | stew | :) |
| 16:28.13 | foks | :) |
| 16:28.32 | bestmedia | what filesystem type should i choose, i want to use it for a ftp server :) |
| 16:28.43 | stew | bestmedia: when in doubt use ext3 |
| 16:29.07 | PerlSaiyan | if you've got large files and lots of deletes, xfs is nice |
| 16:29.08 | bestmedia | 83 Linux i guess, there's no ext2/3 |
| 16:29.15 | fluxdude | My vsftp has ssl configured as per the wiki http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_vsftpd but it still only listens on port 21 and doesn't seem to use ssl |
| 16:29.18 | bibe | bestmedia : will you serve many (and I mean, really many) small files, or some really big files? |
| 16:29.25 | stew | bestmedia: thats a partition type, not a filesystem type, but yes |
| 16:29.56 | kspath | !gentoosmite fluxdude |
| 16:30.11 | bestmedia | multimedia files, some divx/mpegs |
| 16:30.22 | sugarmice | xfs is the filesystem I use on all the machines I administer, for general purposes |
| 16:30.24 | stew | bestmedia: over the web or on a local lan? |
| 16:30.29 | bestmedia | local lan |
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| 16:30.50 | bibe | bestmedia : I'd go with ext3, partitioning as 0x83 (Linux) partition types, and using mke2fs -j |
| 16:30.55 | sugarmice | Apart from my /boot filesystem, which is always ext3 |
| 16:31.03 | stew | or just mkfs.ext3 |
| 16:31.24 | bibe | sugarmice : you can use ext2 for /boot, no need to journal it imho |
| 16:31.26 | fatal_ | or mkfs -j ext3 |
| 16:31.35 | fatal_ | err -t |
| 16:31.35 | stew | don't run xfs unless you are on a ups |
| 16:31.40 | sugarmice | bibe: true |
| 16:32.07 | fluxdude | I can see some avid Debian users, i use gentoo at work and debian at home (should be the other way round but my boss knows gentoo, not debian) |
| 16:32.20 | sugarmice | stew: I keep hearing that assertion. I've never been bitten by it. My machines are on a UPS, but if I yank the power on them all the same, they're fine |
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| 16:32.32 | kspath | stew: make sure no morons can bump power cables? make sure no children that like pretty buttons are within reach? |
| 16:32.52 | Ronin | kspath: dont forget the cleaners |
| 16:33.03 | bestmedia | i just formated it with cfdisk 83 type, thanks guys |
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| 16:33.12 | misha-strong | and the unfortunate faulty ups's |
| 16:33.33 | stew | bestmedia: no, you partitioned, now you need to format with mkfs.???? |
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| 16:33.50 | sugarmice | I run a 500 node cluster, all running Debian on xfs, and we have (inadvertently) occasionally had a complete power failure without the UPS helping us. Never had any XFS problems as a result |
| 16:34.01 | kspath | Ronin: Cleaners in multi-ways. I love when they plug in some ancient machine that uses a gigawatt and causes surges in half a building or when they are shoving around those huge buffers.... |
| 16:34.36 | fluxdude | anyway, can anyone give any hints as to why vsftpd doesn't seem to listen for ftp+ssl after putting in the config cert etc and restarting? |
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| 16:35.14 | sugarmice | fluxdude: No idea. SSL is all black magic as far as I'm concerned. :-) |
| 16:35.14 | kspath | I heard similar statements about ext2 and ext3 for years and years |
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| 16:35.23 | bestmedia | primarie:~# mke2fs -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 |
| 16:35.23 | bestmedia | mke2fs 1.37 (21-Mar-2005) |
| 16:35.23 | bestmedia | mke2fs: bad blocks count - /dev/hdb1 |
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| 16:35.39 | misha-strong | stew: um i think i have no idea whether i have devfs or udev and dpkg is no help, however my guess is that i have one of them, and my kernel is 2.6.10 i think |
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| 16:36.08 | stew | misha-strong: your dpkg is broken too? |
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| 16:36.23 | misha-strong | spew: no dpkg in this chatroom |
| 16:36.37 | Ronin | misha-strong: thers sure is |
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| 16:36.45 | stew | !wikifaq misha-strong PackageManagement |
| 16:36.45 | bestmedia | where is the problem? |
| 16:36.45 | dpkg | misha-strong: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 16:37.08 | stew | misha-strong: figure out if you have either the udev or devfs packages installed |
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| 16:38.49 | netman_ | hi , somebody can configurated Radeon XPRESS 200 with etch and xorg 6.9 ? |
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| 16:40.08 | vnibs | HI everybody! I can't mount a LVM partition from a live-cd (knoppix). Please, any idea? |
| 16:40.13 | zamaliphe | is it possible to extract an iso img to dir and boot frome it ?? is thir is any way els to edit aboot iso?? |
| 16:40.14 | fluxdude | is there any way to get timestamps of an excel file sent via email? I doubt it but I gotta ask... |
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| 16:40.23 | giacus | hi |
| 16:40.32 | stew | vnibs: wrong channel, you want #knoppix |
| 16:40.37 | giacus | how can I see the dirs where Debian install a package ? |
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| 16:40.44 | stew | giacus: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 16:40.50 | giacus | thanks |
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| 16:42.02 | kyncani | zamaliphe: you can boot a qemu emulator |
| 16:42.03 | mustafa | hey friends. i am just new to linux. i have debian 3.1 installed, (that is) and i bought a dvd writer. before i put it, should i do something? and after i put it in, how can i access it? |
| 16:43.23 | misha-strong | stew: No packages found matching devfs. No packages found matching udev. |
| 16:43.26 | bibe | mustafa : use a dvd player (apt-cache search dvd player) |
| 16:43.42 | kyncani | mustafa: just plug it in and start k3b ( in kde ) i guess ? |
| 16:43.43 | zamaliphe | kyncani ::but i need to edit it install and remove files etc..??? |
| 16:44.05 | netman_ | hi , somebody can configurated Radeon XPRESS 200 with etch and xorg 6.9 ? |
| 16:44.07 | mustafa | kyncani: yes. thanks. so where does it mount? /dev/? |
| 16:44.21 | bibe | mustafa : sorry for the wrong answer... :-S |
| 16:44.30 | mustafa | bibe: ;) |
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| 16:44.56 | Cyorxamp | If I just edited the smb.conf file for a new share - do i need to restart samba? if so - how ? |
| 16:44.59 | mustafa | bibe: it is because i declared i am so new huh :) |
| 16:45.06 | kyncani | zamaliphe: you do not need to extract anything before start and _emulator_ like qemu to try an iso. But if you want to boot your real pc, you'll need to burn the iso on a cd. |
| 16:45.09 | RvGaTe | yo people, i have a question, altho its not debian/linux related... im looking for a cartoon serie, it had 2 cats in it, they had a jet and a bike... they fought crime... they both worked in a garage or wrecking place... 1 cat was fat, the other not... anyone has an idea? :) |
| 16:45.27 | kyncani | mustafa: don't worry, k3b is pretty easy to use, just try |
| 16:45.41 | mustafa | okey. thanks, cu |
| 16:45.49 | kyncani | np |
| 16:45.51 | zamaliphe | ok i will ask it anowser way : how to edit an iso live cd ??? |
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| 16:47.23 | kyncani | zamaliphe: i'm no expert, but i think there are many projects around to help you build a custom live cd (google is your friend) |
| 16:47.33 | Cyorxamp | If I just edited the smb.conf file for a new share - do i need to restart samba? if so - how ? |
| 16:47.40 | arsen | hm |
| 16:47.58 | arsen | anyone know about the libopenh323 problem?;x |
| 16:48.08 | stew | misha-strong: ? |
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| 16:48.24 | misha-strong | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.26 | Ronin | Cyorxamp: i suspect its the same as most anything else /etc/init.d/foo restart |
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| 16:48.41 | stew | misha-strong: is your /dev/ directory empty? do you have a /dev/shm/network? |
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| 16:48.59 | arsen | like, i cant apt-get install gnome, due to it requiring libopenh323, (a version which isnt even released?!) surely there must be alot of people installing deb and wanting gnome.. :s |
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| 16:49.27 | stew | misha-strong: and what does "uname -r" return? |
| 16:49.36 | misha-strong | stew /dev is far from empty, but /dev/shm is empty |
| 16:49.57 | misha-strong | stew: 2.6.10-co-0.6.2 |
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| 16:50.36 | stew | misha-strong: oh, i guess that is some custom kernel for colinux? did you recently change kernels? |
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| 16:51.27 | liran | i've got a production server with 2 hds (only one is operational) runing some old mandrake dist. i want to take the 2nd hd, connect it at my home computer install debian and set it up completely then put it back on the production server as the main hd. do you think it would work? |
| 16:52.08 | dondelelcaro | liran: if you set up the modules you load into the initrd correctly, yes. |
| 16:52.22 | liran | dondelelcaro: what do you mean? |
| 16:52.39 | liran | dondelelcaro: i mean which modules are those? |
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| 16:53.05 | misha-strong | stew: the kernel is the one that was installed |
| 16:53.09 | dondelelcaro | liran: It's dependent on the hardware that you're running on the production server... I can't easily tell you from where I'm sitting which modules you need. |
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| 16:53.34 | dondelelcaro | liran: if it's just got a generic ide controller it should work regardless, though... |
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| 16:54.08 | scyrma|sick | has anyone (successfully) installed the new xorg package in sid ? I'm so tempted by it.. my fingers can't resist.. but maybe it's just the flu that want to make me do it.. |
| 16:54.24 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | hi folks, how can i quickly test my resolvs ? i can ping the nameservers listen in my resolv.conf, but cant do a ping to google.com |
| 16:54.26 | misha-strong | bird flu? |
| 16:54.37 | xoz_ | scyrma|sick: xorg in sid is pretty stable. |
| 16:54.38 | scyrma|sick | human flu, the standard boring kind.. |
| 16:54.40 | misha-strong | thats a new side-effect |
| 16:54.43 | Cyorxamp | How can you find out what version of debian your using!!!!? |
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| 16:55.04 | misha-strong | * symptom |
| 16:55.10 | kyncani | liran: and make sure you install at your home computer using the same ide slot (like ide primary master) |
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| 16:55.30 | scyrma|sick | well, so be it! |
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| 16:55.42 | kyncani | Cyorxamp: /etc/debian_version i guess ? |
| 16:56.08 | xoz_ | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: try traceroute and see where is the bottleneck |
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| 16:56.43 | stew | misha-strong: what version of ifupdown do you have installed? |
| 16:56.53 | Cyorxamp | kyncani - I don't think that exists |
| 16:57.10 | prudhvi | i have just upgraded form Sarge to etch, but when i do kernel upgrade every thing goes fine but, while installing it fails saying udev atlest needs 2.6.10 kernel. to install 2.6.15 kernel i need a latest udev. it seems to be cyclic how can i prevent this ? |
| 16:57.15 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | xoz_ it just doesnt start |
| 16:57.30 | xoz_ | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: what does traceroute tell? |
| 16:57.34 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | i filled in an ip to connect on and also that failes looks like the host cant make anny new connections |
| 16:57.39 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | nothing it wont start |
| 16:57.59 | Cyorxamp | IS there NO simple way of just finding out what version of Debian is being RUN!? |
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| 16:58.34 | kyncani | Cyorxamp: well, i don't know but i do have a /etc/debian_version belonging to package base-files here .. |
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| 16:58.42 | thingfish | Cyorxamp: cat /etc/debian_version and/or look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:58.45 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | xoz_ i did a traceroute to an quakenet ip i can ping.. it just doesnt do anything |
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| 16:59.07 | garo | Where should i place commands that should run after booting ? |
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| 16:59.09 | Cyorxamp | with debian_version change with updates!? |
| 16:59.19 | stew | Cyorxamp: apt-cache policy ; a common way is to check the version of libc6 that is installed with whichever versions are available from http://pdo.debian.net/libc6 |
| 16:59.19 | garo | Like /etc/conf.d/local.start on gentoo |
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| 16:59.22 | xoz_ | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: probably the firewall does not allow you out? |
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| 16:59.56 | kyncani | Cyorxamp: well, i guess it should change with the package it belongs to (base-files) |
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| 17:00.42 | misha-strong | stew: ifupdown 0.6.7 |
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| 17:01.02 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | hmm |
| 17:01.19 | arsen | is there a way to apt-get install gnome without it installing gnomemeeting?:x |
| 17:01.30 | stew | arsen: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 17:01.40 | stew | misha-strong: i dunno then |
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| 17:02.02 | arsen | i mean.. SPECIFICALLY gnomemeeting |
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| 17:02.13 | stew | arsen: no |
| 17:02.21 | arsen | because gnomemeeting has dependency problems, and therefore cant install gnome :p |
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| 17:02.42 | arsen | ie openh323 has been in new for 4 days or so :p im impatient ;O |
| 17:02.43 | xoz_ | arsen: try equivs |
| 17:02.44 | stew | arsen: but the gnome pacakge is just a metapacakge, if you don't want *everything* that is included in the gnome metapackage then dont' install it. install gnome-session, and whatever else you want |
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| 17:03.07 | stew | arsen: or install gnome, then remove gnomemeeting, which will remove gnomemeeting and the gnome metapackage but leave the rest of gnome |
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| 17:03.36 | stew | arsen: oh, if you are going to install gnome-meeting from source, then yes, use equivs |
| 17:03.37 | xoz_ | the problem is bork gnomemeeting |
| 17:03.42 | kyncani | arsen: uh, use something else ( kde, xfce4, icewm, ... ) until gnome dependencies are fixed ?? :) |
| 17:03.55 | kowey | hello, is there any reason i cannot put an ip address in the sources list, instead of a domain name? |
| 17:04.00 | arsen | im on xfce4. |
| 17:04.09 | misha-strong | stew this is during boot: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1916 |
| 17:04.14 | arsen | its not that, id just like to know a way around it, so i can play around |
| 17:04.16 | xoz_ | use quivs to fool gnome dependency that it is installed |
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| 17:04.26 | arsen | ill look into that ;) ty |
| 17:04.47 | xoz_ | *equivs* |
| 17:04.53 | scyrma|sick | kowey, no, but if the server uses virtual hosting, it probably won't work |
| 17:05.04 | kowey | oh... hmm.. chicken and egg then |
| 17:05.23 | scyrma|sick | kowey, though, then, you might add the server name to your /etc/hosts .. |
| 17:05.32 | liran | dondelelcaro: i can tell you. it's got a scsi udma 320 controller and it recognizes the hds as /dev/sdb and sda at the moment runing an old 2.4 kernel (im planing on putting debian sarge 3.1 on it and then upgrading the kernel to the custom kernel-image-2.6.8-2-i386 |
| 17:05.34 | misha-strong | lol xoz |
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| 17:05.36 | kowey | ah ha! had not thought of that |
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| 17:05.52 | kowey | i am a simple programmer, computers are mysterious things, thanks :-) |
| 17:06.02 | scyrma|sick | kowey, so am I :) |
| 17:06.09 | foks | !br |
| 17:06.10 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:06.11 | Nemphilis | ;-) |
| 17:06.12 | stew | misha-strong: do you have a specific question about that paste? |
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| 17:06.53 | misha-strong | stew: just wondering if it looked strange? maybe it might help explain the bad boot? i guess not |
| 17:07.06 | Ronin | cool just a user barge into my office and bitch at me cause his hd has no free space and its my fault |
| 17:07.13 | misha-strong | stew: ill try and get my full boot output |
| 17:07.16 | stew | misha-strong: i don't know what that reiserfs stuff at the top is all about, but other than that it looks normal |
| 17:07.18 | dondelelcaro | Ronin: that's when you tell the user about format C: |
| 17:07.33 | xoz_ | Ronin: drop it in the road to have plenty of space |
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| 17:08.30 | DevilChaos | how good is wine to use id like to use it for a couple of utilitys that arent in debian? |
| 17:08.44 | xoz_ | DevilChaos: what utility? |
| 17:08.57 | stew | misha-strong: you need to figure out why you dont' have /dev/shm/network. I do not know why. however, your install seem sufficiently screwed up that I would recommend you consider getting whatever data you need from your root fs and reinstalling debian |
| 17:08.57 | DevilChaos | fab decrypter |
| 17:09.04 | liran | kyncani: hmmm, at my home i dont have a scsi controller so i'm guessing itll be just hdb/hda, it won't matter if i have a scsi controller there? (right now on kernel 2.4 the hds are listed as sda and sdb) |
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| 17:10.18 | stew | misha-strong: actually wait. are you the one that is missing sysv-rc? that is probably what you should be concentrating on fixing if that is the case |
| 17:10.31 | stew | but again, i think you should probably just re-install and save yourself the hassle |
| 17:10.42 | kyncani | liran: well, you'll have to setup grub and /etc/fstab from a livecd at least |
| 17:11.02 | garo | Where should i place commands that should run after booting ? |
| 17:11.05 | garo | Like /etc/conf.d/local.start on gentoo |
| 17:11.06 | kyncani | liran: (when the disk is on your server) |
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| 17:11.37 | fluxdude | I'm trying to add a user, so did useradd localtest and then passwd localtest but got "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error" |
| 17:11.38 | misha-strong | stew, yes im the sysv-rc person, also heres my full boot, (its not everyday you get the saved output of a linux kernel booting): http://channels.debian.net/paste/1917 |
| 17:11.56 | sphenxes | i have configured adsl connection usig pptp protocol "used in Austria", I can connect to my ISP but can't ping any URL. any suggestion please. "newbie" |
| 17:11.58 | fluxdude | help anyone? |
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| 17:12.13 | xoz_ | fluxdude: man useradd... or try adduser |
| 17:12.25 | DevilChaos | xoz? |
| 17:12.33 | xoz_ | DevilChaos: no idea |
| 17:12.37 | kyncani | fluxdude: and google useradd |
| 17:12.47 | misha-strong | stew: ooh look it says devfs /o/ |
| 17:13.07 | fluxdude | no, i added the user - it's in passwd and shadow, but I can't "passwd user" to set password |
| 17:13.08 | liran | kyncani: yeah.. hmmm. |
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| 17:13.38 | liran | kyncani: how about if i give it a first default install on the server, then take it home, configure it all up and take it back to the server? |
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| 17:13.58 | xoz_ | fluxdude: are you root? |
| 17:14.02 | P^ | whats the difference between kernel-source and kernel-tree |
| 17:14.36 | kyncani | liran: you'll have to setup grub and /etc/fstab each time you move your disk from one host to another with a different setup |
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| 17:15.19 | fluxdude | xoz_: yes, i'm root |
| 17:15.31 | stew | misha-strong: is devfs mounted? does "mount" list a -t devfs paritition mounted? |
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| 17:17.07 | misha-strong | stew: /dev/cobd0 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) proc on /proc type proc (rw) proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 17:17.29 | liran | kyncani: alright, so there's no way out of it :P |
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| 17:17.48 | stew | misha-strong: try: mount -t devfs none /dev |
| 17:17.56 | kyncani | liran: well, setting up grub and /etc/fstab from a livecd is very simple -> google |
| 17:18.18 | misha-strong | stew: none on /dev type devfs (rw) |
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| 17:18.32 | kyncani | liran: cu :) |
| 17:18.33 | stew | misha-strong: now try /etc/init.d/networking restart again |
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| 17:19.18 | misha-strong | stew: same error failed to open statefile |
| 17:19.35 | stew | misha-strong: then i suggest you concentrate on getting sysv-rc installed |
| 17:19.36 | Vantage_ | is there an easy way to make python modules into debian packages? something similar to dh-make-perl for perl modules? |
| 17:19.42 | fluxdude | so no-one has seen this before? |
| 17:19.50 | misha-strong | stew: apt-get install sysv-rc? |
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| 17:20.04 | kowey | scyrma|sick: aha... apt-get update is easier if your machine isn't firewalled in... oh well.. thanks anyway |
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| 17:20.12 | fluxdude | I can't change any password and I don't know why. When root I can't even change root's password or any other user's password |
| 17:20.17 | Cyorxamp | Is debian supposed to play divx/mp3's etc out of the box!!?!?! |
| 17:20.18 | xoz_ | fluxdude: try create another user and see if you get the same error |
| 17:20.18 | stew | misha-strong: if that works it would be great, but that will only work if its in your cache, since your network isn't working |
| 17:20.31 | stew | Cyorxamp: no |
| 17:20.36 | Cyorxamp | stew - mine does :S |
| 17:20.36 | fluxdude | already done that and I get the same error for new user as well as all existing users |
| 17:20.42 | stew | Cyorxamp: whatever "out of the box" means |
| 17:20.49 | xoz_ | fluxdude: possible your root directory is read only? |
| 17:20.49 | Cyorxamp | i.e. upon a new installation |
| 17:20.50 | fluxdude | passwd: Authentication token manipulation error - every time |
| 17:21.02 | misha-strong | stew: so i download it from the debian package site? |
| 17:21.02 | stew | Cyorxamp: in fact i don't believe debian has any divx software at all |
| 17:21.08 | misha-strong | !pdo |
| 17:21.08 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/, or the machine that hosts http://packages.debian.org has been overloaded, a temporary replacement can be found at http://pdo.debian.net |
| 17:21.09 | xoz_ | fluxdude: or your pam is messed up |
| 17:21.16 | stew | misha-strong: yes |
| 17:21.17 | fluxdude | no, it's read=write |
| 17:21.18 | Cyorxamp | well its quite happily playing anything and everything! |
| 17:21.22 | fluxdude | read-write |
| 17:21.27 | Cyorxamp | and i aint installed anything yet |
| 17:21.41 | stew | Cyorxamp: what software are you using to play a divx? |
| 17:21.44 | Cyorxamp | Totem |
| 17:21.44 | misha-strong | stew: the only way i can transfer it is through the console |
| 17:21.55 | xoz_ | fluxdude: then something in your pam probably is borked |
| 17:21.55 | misha-strong | stew: (after its downloaded) |
| 17:22.04 | Cyorxamp | I know Totem can't play fuck all on a new installation of Ubuntu for example |
| 17:22.13 | fluxdude | stew>: why doesn't debian have any divx? even dvd players ship with it these days... |
| 17:22.27 | Cyorxamp | it's not 'Free' lol |
| 17:22.36 | stew | fluxdude: i didn't think it was free |
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| 17:22.44 | fluxdude | ok |
| 17:22.44 | stew | fluxdude: dvd players contain non-free software |
| 17:23.01 | fluxdude | bit political, just want everything to work |
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| 17:23.14 | Cyorxamp | yeah the linux world is full of hippies |
| 17:23.14 | useruser | fluxdude: use marillat's packages |
| 17:23.28 | useruser | Cyorxamp: no, the problem is that the world is full of lawyers |
| 17:23.34 | Cyorxamp | HIPPIES! |
| 17:23.50 | gloin | does anyone have an ETA for fixed squirrelmail packages for sarge? The current vuln is rather horrid |
| 17:24.04 | fluxdude | xoz_: I don't think that the pam is screwed otherwise I probably wouldn't vbe able to log in and out so freely |
| 17:24.09 | keck0f | how can i verify if a dvd is burned correctly? ("dd if=${DEVICE_DVD} | diff ${ISO_FILE} -" notices differences, i think i cannot use "readcd" because DVD-burner is ATA-styled) |
| 17:24.11 | fluxdude | and add user etc... |
| 17:24.11 | liran | lol yeah kyncani :) |
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| 17:25.01 | xoz_ | fluxdude: man passwd and see what files it manipulates. |
| 17:25.02 | useruser | keck0f: find + md5sum + mount -o loop ? |
| 17:25.13 | misha-strong | anybody know how to transfer something through a console window? (from windows local to linux remote) |
| 17:25.39 | useruser | misha-strong: what do you mean, through a console window? |
| 17:25.48 | kspath | I guess the linux and unix worlds have hippies but the windblowz world has morons which definitely is more painful in the long run. |
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| 17:26.06 | jvw | gloin: will come soon |
| 17:26.07 | the_empty | misha-strong, what you *probably* want is WinSCP |
| 17:26.07 | misha-strong | useruser, i need to transfer a file, the only connection i have is the console |
| 17:26.15 | useruser | misha-strong: you can use scp if there's an ssh server |
| 17:26.17 | gloin | jvw: soon as in a few minutes, hours, days? |
| 17:26.18 | xoz_ | misha-strong: use winscp. or sftp |
| 17:26.22 | DevilChaos | any one here use gimp alot? |
| 17:26.22 | jvw | gloin: days |
| 17:26.23 | misha-strong | no network |
| 17:26.25 | gloin | ergh |
| 17:26.27 | the_empty | by "console" you mean ssh or a literal serial terminal? |
| 17:26.28 | keck0f | useruser: that's on a "per file"-basis. any way of comparing raw data known? |
| 17:26.39 | misha-strong | literal serial terminal thingy |
| 17:26.41 | the_empty | ouch |
| 17:26.45 | gloin | well |
| 17:26.50 | misha-strong | i know its possible |
| 17:26.53 | gloin | the vuln as it stands is nothing to leave possible |
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| 17:26.54 | jvw | gloin: I think you're exaggerating a bit the severity of it |
| 17:26.56 | useruser | keck0f: cat | md5sum? :) |
| 17:27.02 | gloin | jvw: not really - did you read the writeup? |
| 17:27.03 | Morden | if you want to use a computer as a router, do need to have two nics inside? One for the wan and one for the lan? |
| 17:27.12 | xoz_ | misha-strong: rsync or scp if you have |
| 17:27.13 | useruser | keck0f: i don't really know though - I'm surprised that diff finds differences between the iso and dd output |
| 17:27.18 | stew | gloin: is there a bug in the bts? |
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| 17:27.21 | Phated | Morden: Pretty much. |
| 17:27.27 | useruser | keck0f: maybe it's stuff added by your burning software |
| 17:27.38 | misha-strong | xoz_: is scp or rsync for networks? |
| 17:27.41 | xoz_ | Morden: or you can use ip aliasing if you want to save money |
| 17:27.47 | the_empty | Morden, that or you could use one with vlans, assuming the switch upstream can vlan |
| 17:27.55 | Morden | Thx @ Phated... you don't happen to know where there is a tutorial for it? ^^ |
| 17:28.04 | kspath | Morden: It is helpful to consider having 3-4 nics you plan on doing anything interesting in the long run |
| 17:28.14 | xoz_ | misha-strong: google for scp |
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| 17:28.18 | jvw | gloin: two XSS and an IMAP injection only possible when logged in... |
| 17:28.20 | misha-strong | basically what i need is to be able to save a file from STD IN |
| 17:28.26 | Phated | Morden: It's nor really difficult - google "debian router" or somesuch :) |
| 17:28.35 | jvw | gloin: sorry, I fail to see the terrible urgency -- yes, it should be fixed, but no need to loose sleep over it |
| 17:28.35 | the_empty | misha-strong, is it text? |
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| 17:28.43 | gloin | http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16756/info |
| 17:28.46 | Morden | kspath: why 3-4 nics? I thought of using one pluging into my cable modem and the other nic goes to a switch |
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| 17:28.52 | misha-strong | the_empty its a .deb file |
| 17:28.57 | keck0f | useruser: seems to be the burn data, some special ID or whatever .... burned using "growisofs -dvd-compat -speed=1 -Z /dev/hdd=${ISO_FILE}". Maybe "-dvd-compat" provokes the differences. |
| 17:29.09 | thingfish | odd...Applications>Debian Menu gets no expected menu. |
| 17:29.19 | the_empty | misha-strong, there goes my leet 'cat > file' cut-n-paste transfer protocol |
| 17:29.29 | kspath | Morden: If it is only that simple that 2 will work or one with two+ interfaces |
| 17:29.33 | gloin | jvw: it's not limited to users logged in |
| 17:29.40 | misha-strong | lol, anyway if there is no other solution then i'll have to write a program to do it |
| 17:29.44 | jvw | that's XSS |
| 17:29.50 | jvw | no really big deal |
| 17:29.53 | gloin | and imap injection |
| 17:29.59 | xoz_ | Morden: you can even use one nic with different ip alias. one for out and one for local |
| 17:30.01 | Morden | kspath: well, what are the interesting thing in the long run that you were thinking of? |
| 17:30.08 | misha-strong | linux * sigh * |
| 17:30.23 | useruser | keck0f: does this help you? http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm#_Accurately_Reading_a_CD |
| 17:30.44 | jvw | gloin: imap injection only for logged in users, not for random bypassers/hackers |
| 17:30.44 | stew | misha-strong: do you have uudecode installed in linux? did i mention that you should probably just re-install? |
| 17:30.44 | jvw | gloin: plus, shouldn't hurt that much |
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| 17:31.01 | gloin | misha-strong: kspath: a joke and a warning: http://www.taupehat.com/images/misc/advocacy.jpg |
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| 17:31.18 | jvw | gloin: 404 |
| 17:31.23 | gloin | err' |
| 17:31.24 | gloin | png |
| 17:31.28 | gloin | misha-strong: kspath: a joke and a warning: http://www.taupehat.com/images/misc/advocacy.png |
| 17:31.31 | gloin | there |
| 17:31.33 | gloin | =[ |
| 17:31.40 | kink | gloin: most of the time you can do a 'telnet mail 143' and do imap "injection" |
| 17:32.03 | the_empty | gloin, so what? I run imap servers anyone can connect to and you don't even need some silly "exploit" |
| 17:32.19 | kink | it's not intended and that's why it's patched, but I've yet to see any serious exploitation of that |
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| 17:32.38 | keck0f | useruser: very good hint. thank you. |
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| 17:33.02 | the_empty | kink, watch out, 'they' might get your '1 capabilities' output! oh noes! |
| 17:33.29 | kspath | Morden: I was not. <waves_hand> these are not the droids you are looking for... |
| 17:33.38 | themusicgod1 | I have a png image that is too big for eog, is there any other program that will open it (other than xli/mozilla-firefox both of which uses all my ram?)? |
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| 17:34.01 | misha-strong | stew: No packages found matching uudecode. But I actually have no idea. |
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| 17:34.44 | stew | misha-strong: it's in the sharutils package |
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| 17:35.07 | misha-strong | lol at that abe quote |
| 17:35.20 | Morden | kspath: hehehe |
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| 17:35.25 | the_empty | themusicgod1, try gqview |
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| 17:35.51 | kspath | gloin: wth advocacy? |
| 17:35.58 | misha-strong | Package `sharutils' is not installed. |
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| 17:36.03 | stew | themusicgod1: there is also "display" from imagemagick |
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| 17:36.33 | misha-strong | stew, i installed like a 20MB distro, i like it that way ;) |
| 17:36.48 | kspath | gloin: Are you confuzzled? |
| 17:37.11 | stew | misha-strong: huh? what do you mean? you mean not debian? |
| 17:37.22 | stew | misha-strong: what distro |
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| 17:37.43 | kspath | Maybe gloin hit his/her head on a rail or 4U server. That might explain some of it. |
| 17:37.47 | misha-strong | stew: 20meg compressed :p 1gig decompressed |
| 17:37.58 | misha-strong | bz2 /o/ |
| 17:38.16 | stew | 98% compression? yeah, right. |
| 17:38.19 | foksAFK | bye |
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| 17:38.45 | kspath | stew: all the same chars? VERY uniform data? |
| 17:38.49 | misha-strong | stew: kid you not, however btw 90% of the 1gig was free space |
| 17:39.02 | the_empty | stew, it's the "kernel + 1G text file of ^aaaaa....aaaaa$" distor |
| 17:39.12 | misha-strong | lol the empty |
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| 17:39.26 | stew | misha-strong: did you start with debian or did you start with something like damn small linux? |
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| 17:39.38 | the_empty | stew, it's called A*10^XLinux |
| 17:39.49 | themusicgod1 | display died :( |
| 17:39.55 | misha-strong | stew debian sarge if i'm not mistaken, didnt even come with ftp lol |
| 17:39.56 | stew | debian's base system cannot be compressed into 20 megs, no way |
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| 17:40.21 | sparr | stew: thats disappointing |
| 17:40.31 | stew | debian's base system is > 100 megs, compressed |
| 17:40.39 | misha-strong | Debian-3.0r2.ext3-mit-backports.1gb.bz2 27.9MB |
| 17:41.01 | pipeline | misha-strong: That's stripped down. It's less than a base system. |
| 17:41.04 | the_empty | sparr, only if you think size > utility |
| 17:41.19 | deadcat_ | can someone tell me what to search for if i want the html code to display my video file on my website? |
| 17:41.35 | the_empty | deadcat_, embed is the tag you want |
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| 17:41.40 | deadcat_ | the_empty: thanks |
| 17:41.48 | the_empty | deadcat_, NP |
| 17:41.48 | stew | misha-strong: and that's not sarge, that's woody, which is what started all of your problems |
| 17:42.08 | the_empty | Ok kids I am off to go borg^w migrate some customers |
| 17:42.12 | misha-strong | oh ok lol |
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| 17:42.20 | sparr | stew: what comprises 'base'? |
| 17:42.41 | kspath | sparr: do a base install and see? |
| 17:43.04 | sparr | 200 megs seems like a lot |
| 17:43.09 | misha-strong | well my electricity is about to go off the i really need to go to the shop before it closes, so i'll come back tommorrow with the results of my serial console transfer :P |
| 17:43.25 | sparr | considering ive used 1-floppy OSes on my primary desktop for periods longer than a week |
| 17:43.28 | kspath | sparr: you can trim it down piece by piece if you need to |
| 17:43.42 | stew | sparr: http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/ |
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| 17:43.47 | misha-strong | thanks for all the help |
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| 17:44.07 | stew | he really just needs to re-install |
| 17:44.09 | sparr | stew: a lot of useless crap there |
| 17:44.11 | kspath | sparr: debian base install has a lot of useful tools with it that are not absolutely required but you may miss them if they are not there. |
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| 17:44.22 | sparr | steri: atari-bootstrap ?!? |
| 17:44.23 | pavlix | hi people... |
| 17:44.55 | sparr | stew: ^^ |
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| 17:45.00 | raden | is there a way to backup info in Kontact / |
| 17:45.01 | pavlix | I'm trying to make a kernel-package... |
| 17:45.01 | raden | ? |
| 17:45.07 | pavlix | from 2.6.15 |
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| 17:45.20 | stew | sparr: i don't understand the question |
| 17:45.24 | prodope | i'm trying to compile irssi with a plugin, and it requires glib... what package would i need? |
| 17:45.25 | pavlix | and I'm running 2.6.15 already that I'd like to keep |
| 17:45.29 | prodope | libglib-2.0-0-dev? |
| 17:45.44 | pavlix | when using make-kpkg --append-to-version.... |
| 17:45.48 | kspath | sparr: Did you want Debian and it's repository or try to argue with stew who is/was trying to help you? |
| 17:45.49 | pavlix | i get an error message |
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| 17:46.15 | fluxdude | argg, I'm going nuts with this stupid passwd problem! I've tried removing the shadow and running pwconv,then doing passwd user again and still the same |
| 17:46.18 | sparr | stew: i contend that your "base" is anything but, with things as obscure and useless as atari-bootstrap, yaboot, etc |
| 17:46.22 | fluxdude | passwd: Authentication token manipulation error |
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| 17:46.31 | stew | sparr: do you mean why is that in base? becuase if you were running an atari on m68k then youd have no other way to boot |
| 17:46.32 | pavlix | The changelog says we are creating 2.6.15 but I thought the version is 2.6.15.xxx |
| 17:46.42 | pavlix | you know the problem |
| 17:46.44 | stew | sparr: if you are on i386 you wouldn't have that package in base, it only exists in the m68k arch |
| 17:47.01 | phreak | Anyone know how I can render a postscript file (or pdf if that helps) into a png/gif/bmp/whatever? |
| 17:47.05 | FliesLikeALap | it seems that after a certain system upgrade, all of my linux machines now break long lines in nano, which causes major problems for me... how can i get it to stop doing this? |
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| 17:47.17 | FliesLikeALap | like if i edit an existing long line, itll break it into two lines (not just wrap it, but actually break it) |
| 17:47.27 | lnx_rlz | hello, please, sugestion for secure server ftp (with ssl)!! |
| 17:47.35 | phreak | lnx_rlz: vsftpd |
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| 17:47.56 | kspath | sparr: It is called base. It is not called minimal. You are welcome to contribute to the Debian community by making a list of things that might be removed with explanations/reasons why. |
| 17:47.58 | lnx_rlz | phreak: login and pass are crypt? |
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| 17:48.30 | sparr | kspath: base has implications to the uninitiated that are apparently not taken by the developers |
| 17:48.31 | phreak | lnx_rlz: Yeah sure. |
| 17:48.46 | lnx_rlz | phreak: tks |
| 17:49.19 | stew | sparr: you understand that base on i386 would not contain yaboot or atari-bootstrap, right? since those packages do not exist for i386 |
| 17:49.31 | phreak | lnx_rlz: np. If I remember correct you just have to generate a cert and add a few lines to vsftpd.conf |
| 17:49.35 | stew | sparr: do you think that lilo and the i386 kernels should be reomved from base? |
| 17:49.41 | kspath | sparr: prepare a write up with definitions/reasons/lists and present it to the DDs |
| 17:49.49 | pavlix | hmm home make-kpkg clean will help |
| 17:49.56 | sparr | stew: actually, yes... base implies, to me, commonality |
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| 17:50.30 | stew | sparr: then, in what section would you put bootloaders? |
| 17:50.56 | azeem | sparr: those sections are rather less important these days |
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| 17:51.17 | sparr | im unsure. perhaps their own, or the same as where you put the kernels |
| 17:51.28 | irene | hello |
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| 17:51.42 | sparr | azeem: the only time ive ever encountered sections at all was when i first installed and i installed games/* :) |
| 17:51.59 | azeem | sparr: if you look at http://pdo.debian.net/unstable/base/ you will see that most packages other than the kernels have been removed from base |
| 17:52.13 | debianito_proble | hello abouth the "noapic" "nolapic" problem anyone know if i´ll get this problem fixed if I install de non-stable version? |
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| 17:52.18 | sparr | games/*, btw, is a horrible selection |
| 17:52.22 | irene | can anyone help me? I have problem on my debian testing.. |
| 17:52.31 | pavlix | bye |
| 17:52.33 | sparr | 90% of the games in debian packages suck, or dont work well on modern systems |
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| 17:52.41 | sparr | and having that many packages installed slows down dpkg. a lot. |
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| 17:53.20 | azeem | sparr: what is your point exactly? |
| 17:53.21 | irene | I see very sluggish windows moving when there is wallpaper on the background.. |
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| 17:53.37 | azeem | sparr: if you install all games, I asume you want all games? Why complain? |
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| 17:53.46 | sparr | and, among other annoyances, most WMs cant handle menus as long as the debian menu system generates for Games/Arcade |
| 17:53.58 | irene | If there isn't no wallpaper, Grap and moving windows is soo fast. |
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| 17:54.03 | DogWater | is there a specific package that contains parted mke2fs and tune2fs and how would i find that? |
| 17:54.16 | themusicgod1 | woot |
| 17:54.18 | azeem | DogWater: pdo.debian.net has a search function |
| 17:54.20 | themusicgod1 | gcview works after all |
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| 17:54.34 | starfishy | commercial linux distros suck :\ |
| 17:54.36 | themusicgod1 | (although it doesn't install on one machine due to dependency errors:\) |
| 17:54.49 | themusicgod1 | thanks:D |
| 17:54.57 | starfishy | the hoops Novell makes one jump through to get the service packs ... |
| 17:55.00 | irene | hmmm |
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| 17:55.04 | kspath | sparr: Have you considered writing all that down with associated reasoning/ideas/evidence and presenting it to DebianDevelopers. Assuming you really want to affect an effective change at some point down the road? |
| 17:55.16 | sparr | azeem: again, a point of usefulness... there are packages in games/ that i sincerely doubt anyone but the author has ever intentionally specifically installed, or kept installed for any reason other than the inconvenience of removing them. |
| 17:55.37 | azeem | sparr: so file bugs on them requesting their removal |
| 17:55.41 | azeem | talking in here doesn't help |
| 17:55.56 | debianito_proble | hello abouth the "noapic" "nolapic" problem anyone know if i´ll get this problem fixed if I install de non-stable version? |
| 17:55.56 | irene | is there anyone who undergo very sluggish moving window on Debian etch? |
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| 17:56.16 | flawd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.21 | lnx_rlz | phreak: ok, now i test vsftpd ;) |
| 17:56.31 | sparr | im as lazy as most other people... im loathe to even take the time to find and type out the names of all the crappy game packages, let alone file bugs for them |
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| 17:56.37 | irene | When I grap the title bar of the window and move it, I see the slow moving of the window. |
| 17:56.44 | azeem | sparr: fair enough, but don't complain then, please |
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| 17:57.25 | sparr | the last time i did anything productive was when i filed bugs on all the games in Games/Arcade that didnt have any hints |
| 17:57.37 | sparr | sadly, only a few of the authors cared |
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| 17:58.01 | azeem | sparr: did you send patches along? |
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| 17:58.22 | midas | hello world ! |
| 17:58.25 | mod^_ | is it possible to secure /var/www directory, so that users that use ssh can't view it's content directly |
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| 17:58.30 | sparr | azeem: considering that its a one line change, and that i am not particularly qualified to decide which hints they should have, no. |
| 17:58.35 | mod^_ | now they can view the source codes |
| 17:58.40 | mod^_ | and without chroot |
| 17:59.01 | midas | I've problems running a compiled Fortran code |
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| 17:59.20 | midas | g77 (or gfortran) compiles with no problem |
| 17:59.25 | sparr | azeem: im better with problems than solutions :) |
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| 17:59.43 | midas | but I cannot run it ( Permision denied ) |
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| 18:00.11 | midas | why ? the privileges of the file are allright |
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| 18:01.34 | parityflag | hey... |
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| 18:02.00 | parityflag | is there a way to mount .bin CD images under linux? .iso are no problem... |
| 18:02.21 | sparr | azeem: but, on that topic... ive never generated a patch for a file given an absolute path... do you have to do anything special? |
| 18:02.34 | kartoo | hi every1. i installed tomcat4 on my debian sarge using apt... then i started tomcat... but, when i typed in http://127.0.0.1:8080, i dont get the tomcat page.. instead i get a page not found error.. How do i get my tomcat running? |
| 18:02.49 | azeem | sparr: I don't understand that question |
| 18:02.57 | azeem | it's diff <old_file> <new_file> |
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| 18:03.05 | azeem | how exactly you specify them does not matter |
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| 18:04.05 | sphenxes | i have configured adsl connection usig pptp protocol "used in Austria", I can connect to my ISP but can't ping any URL. my question: does debian install any firewall as default? is there any quick fix to the problem |
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| 18:04.23 | blondie | sphenxes: it does, but not enabled |
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| 18:04.40 | sphenxes | blondie, thanks |
| 18:05.00 | starfishy | sphenxes: have you checked your routing table? |
| 18:05.17 | starfishy | if there is no default route you will not be able to ping any ip addresses outside your local net |
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| 18:05.52 | sphenxes | starfishy, i am a newbie, can you tell me how to overcome such problem |
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| 18:05.58 | blondie | and you don't ping URLs you ping hostnames |
| 18:06.05 | blondie | or IP addresses |
| 18:06.06 | starfishy | sphenxes: type the command route |
| 18:06.15 | starfishy | it will show you a list of preset routes |
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| 18:06.30 | starfishy | there must be one route set as default |
| 18:06.30 | kartoo | sphenxes: tell me the output of route |
| 18:06.39 | kartoo | oh! |
| 18:06.40 | kartoo | k |
| 18:06.41 | sphenxes | starfishy, thanks |
| 18:06.45 | blondie | speaking of routes, if you add one using the route command, how do you make it stay there after reboot? |
| 18:06.54 | starfishy | and it needs to point to the gateway on the other side of your ppp connection |
| 18:07.12 | blondie | um |
| 18:07.13 | blondie | no |
| 18:07.23 | FliesLikeALap | blondie, routes are usually established by either dhcp or by having a "gateway" line i nyour network interfaces file for a statically set up interface |
| 18:07.28 | blondie | the default route should be the inside of the router |
| 18:07.39 | starfishy | we are not talking 'router' here |
| 18:07.40 | blondie | FliesLikeALap: I don't mean the default one |
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| 18:07.50 | starfishy | we are talking a modem connection as far as i can tell |
| 18:08.12 | blondie | what's the "other side" then? |
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| 18:08.26 | starfishy | it's the gateway router at the ISP |
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| 18:08.45 | blondie | if it was just a modem, why mention local networks? |
| 18:09.04 | starfishy | because someone may have a LAN in addition to ppp |
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| 18:09.06 | kartoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.27 | starfishy | i know that all too well, i ran a config like that for a couple of years |
| 18:09.44 | sphenxes | starfishy, how can I add a default route? I did not add any |
| 18:09.59 | starfishy | route add default gw <IP address of gateway router> |
| 18:10.22 | starfishy | for example: route add default gw 111.111.111.111 |
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| 18:10.48 | starfishy | of course you want to replace the 1s with the real ip address for the gateway router |
| 18:10.59 | sphenxes | starfishy, thanks |
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| 18:12.48 | pjf | #german |
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| 18:13.11 | starfishy | sphenxes: yw |
| 18:13.12 | kspath | !tell pjf about de |
| 18:13.30 | curt | debian.de |
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| 18:15.11 | TheBest | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:17.36 | tobiashs | hallo ist hir jemand online? |
| 18:17.50 | starfishy | !de |
| 18:17.50 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 18:18.37 | kartoo | TheBest: apt-get php4 |
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| 18:18.44 | kartoo | btw wats gd? |
| 18:19.01 | blondie | kartoo: English please |
| 18:19.11 | blondie | unless you mean GD |
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| 18:19.42 | kartoo | blondie: i spoke english only.. wat lang dya speak :P lol |
| 18:19.45 | kspath | TheBest: By the way, what is GD and GD2 you referred to? |
| 18:19.57 | blondie | kartoo: "wats" isn't a word in English :p |
| 18:20.08 | harfooz | a couple of days ago I tried installing etch, but there was a problem with base-config. Anybody know if that's still a problem today? (or if I need to re download the etch installer?) |
| 18:20.19 | kartoo | blondie: this is chatican english :P |
| 18:20.24 | phatfish | GD is for Image funtions |
| 18:20.28 | TheBest | i can run the script i need PHP GD or GD2 |
| 18:20.37 | TheBest | i have php4 |
| 18:20.50 | TheBest | but not GD or GD2 |
| 18:21.02 | TheBest | GD library exists: No |
| 18:21.02 | TheBest | JPEG support exists for GD: No |
| 18:21.12 | thingfish | people who use gibberish tend to get ignored. |
| 18:21.14 | TheBest | i need this library |
| 18:21.16 | kspath | apt-cache search GD ? |
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| 18:21.51 | kspath | apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update ; apt-file search GD ? |
| 18:22.37 | phatfish | Does anyone know a good kernel configuration tutorial? A minimal setup for 2.6.x. It seems strangley hard to find one. |
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| 18:23.06 | xav_ | just check ide controller and filesystem |
| 18:23.18 | thingfish | phatfish: it's kind of recommended to use a pre-made Debian kernel. |
| 18:23.21 | am88b | phatfish: why don't you use debian packages ? |
| 18:23.26 | starfishy | phatfish: most kernel developers assume that someone building a kernel has the necessary knowledge |
| 18:23.33 | starfishy | its kind of a chicken and egg problem |
| 18:23.39 | phatfish | hrm ok ill just play around :) |
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| 18:23.53 | starfishy | am88b: maybe he needs some features that are not in the default kernel? |
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| 18:24.07 | phatfish | i need loop-aes to work :) |
| 18:24.09 | starfishy | i never run a stock debian kernel because my machines need a few extra features |
| 18:24.10 | am88b | phatfish: actually it isn't very hard, just look at all the options and read help about them all |
| 18:24.19 | starfishy | i second that |
| 18:24.20 | kspath | also when someone is expert or near expert it is hard for them to know what needs to be explained to the target audience or who their target audience might be... |
| 18:24.30 | phatfish | ok thanks |
| 18:24.31 | disposable | is there any difference between kedit and kwrite? (or are they both similarly useless?) |
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| 18:24.31 | starfishy | and create the kernel with make-kpkg, not make bzlilo or such |
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| 18:24.42 | xav_ | anyway you should always keep the debian kernel in case something goes wrong |
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| 18:24.47 | starfishy | (you need to have the package kernel-package installed) |
| 18:24.51 | xav_ | especially the first time you configure one |
| 18:24.53 | phatfish | yeah i do |
| 18:25.09 | xav_ | then just experiment :) |
| 18:25.20 | starfishy | listen to xav_s advice |
| 18:25.33 | fatbrain | how can I force an pid to shutdown? |
| 18:25.36 | Shadowcat | heh a normal kernel won't even boot my systems |
| 18:25.40 | starfishy | i take it he knows from experience - just like me and anyone else who runs custom kernels :) |
| 18:25.41 | curt | how many options are there though, last time i built one it seemed like 100's |
| 18:25.43 | Shadowcat | as the root's on reiser4 |
| 18:25.45 | xav_ | start from make defconfig, and see what you need to add to get everything running |
| 18:25.57 | xav_ | curt: more than that |
| 18:26.03 | Shadowcat | there must be around 10,000 different options in 2.6 |
| 18:26.10 | Shadowcat | I'm surprised I know what most of them do |
| 18:26.15 | starfishy | xav: should that be debconfig? |
| 18:26.19 | xav_ | $ wc -l /boot/config-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 18:26.19 | xav_ | 3285 /boot/config-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 18:26.22 | starfishy | shouldnt |
| 18:26.30 | xav_ | starfishy: defconfig for default kernel config |
| 18:26.31 | curt | nice |
| 18:26.36 | starfishy | oh |
| 18:26.40 | xav_ | for a more minimal one |
| 18:26.41 | starfishy | i never used that |
| 18:26.54 | starfishy | should actually try that instead of oldconfig |
| 18:27.08 | xav_ | because it seems the debian config is used instead otherwise |
| 18:27.15 | ViViD | good morning people |
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| 18:29.03 | xav_ | hmm yep for the debian config, but it works |
| 18:29.17 | thingfish | my computer runs the same whether I use 2.6.8 or 2.6.15. |
| 18:29.19 | xav_ | the one from kernel.org isn't made for working out of the box |
| 18:29.20 | phatfish | thanks xav_, i was wondering how to get a default config. Rather than the defuald debian setup (ie. everything enabled :)) |
| 18:29.35 | Shadowcat | hah |
| 18:29.36 | TheBest | apt-get install php4-gd |
| 18:29.41 | TheBest | tis is gd |
| 18:29.44 | xav_ | phatfish: well everything is enabled as modules, so the kernel itself is rather small |
| 18:29.50 | phatfish | yeah |
| 18:29.56 | Shadowcat | compiling everything into the kernel is asking for trouble |
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| 18:29.57 | xav_ | it just takes time to compile all the modules you don't need |
| 18:30.00 | gnufan | smee: why ? Will "screen" do? |
| 18:30.01 | Shadowcat | especially if you enable every debug option |
| 18:30.13 | Shadowcat | your syslog file will fill up your hd pretty quickly |
| 18:30.30 | xav_ | Shadowcat: only what you need built in should work fine |
| 18:30.41 | Shadowcat | xav_: heh |
| 18:30.53 | Shadowcat | it'd be fun though to do that sometime |
| 18:30.53 | curt | !tell gnufan about screen |
| 18:30.53 | Shadowcat | just for the hell of it |
| 18:30.57 | xav_ | enabling everything? |
| 18:31.03 | Shadowcat | xav_: ya |
| 18:31.07 | Shadowcat | I wonder if it'll even boot |
| 18:31.08 | xav_ | :d |
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| 18:31.11 | fatbrain | is there no way to force-kill a PID? |
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| 18:31.15 | xav_ | I'm not sure it'll even compile |
| 18:31.16 | starfishy | dont forget to build in the things needed to boot, i.e. the driver for your primary disk controller and necessary filesystems |
| 18:31.18 | gnufan | pan doesn't display articles - since a recent update to sid -- like the filter is set wrong - only it isn't. |
| 18:31.24 | xav_ | some drivers are unsupported |
| 18:31.41 | starfishy | you cant enable everything, some things are mutually exclusive |
| 18:31.43 | gnufan | curt: not I, smee_ asking about tty splitting |
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| 18:31.52 | curt | ... |
| 18:32.12 | starfishy | fatbrain: force-kill? |
| 18:32.23 | xav_ | starfishy: ha :) |
| 18:32.26 | fatbrain | I want to terminate an process... but KILL PID doesn't work |
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| 18:32.34 | starfishy | you mean something like kill -9? that should be reserved as a last resort! |
| 18:32.42 | xav_ | there is a make target though, I'm not sure what it does |
| 18:32.46 | xav_ | like make allyesconfig or something like that |
| 18:32.48 | gnufan | fatbrain: kill has options -- sigkill... |
| 18:33.02 | fatbrain | what's sig in sigkill ? |
| 18:33.11 | starfishy | fatbrain: kill -l |
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| 18:33.21 | fatbrain | starfishy: I was able to kill it using -9, thanks. |
| 18:33.27 | Shadowcat | kill -9 starfishy |
| 18:33.32 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 18:33.41 | fatbrain | starfishy: thanks for the info :) |
| 18:33.49 | starfishy | fatbrain: yw |
| 18:33.56 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 18:34.10 | starfishy | fatbrain: but note, this really is a last resort, because with a kill -9 the process can not do potentially necessary cleanup |
| 18:34.16 | starfishy | and you may even end up with zombies |
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| 18:34.30 | starfishy | i.e. process list entries that wont go away ( <defunct> ) |
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| 18:36.05 | starfishy | kill -11 `pidof gnufan` |
| 18:36.12 | starfishy | now go segfault :) |
| 18:36.26 | fatbrain | starfishy: yes, I got that. |
| 18:36.41 | fatbrain | I forgot to enable posix signals in my app... |
| 18:36.49 | starfishy | fatbrain: i just say that because people tend to become lazy and kill everything with -9 |
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| 18:37.02 | fatbrain | starfishy: gotcha :) |
| 18:37.04 | starfishy | i used to teach Solaris, so ask me how I know ;) |
| 18:37.20 | rredd4 | Do they make a dial up accelerator for debian? Name of software, please |
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| 18:37.56 | starfishy | you can use kernel compression drivers for ppp, depending on what compression your ISP offers |
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| 18:38.25 | Shadowcat | slowlaris |
| 18:38.44 | starfishy | shadowcat: solaris is actually quite a good kernel |
| 18:39.01 | starfishy | there are a few support apps (including the installer) though that are 'slooooow' |
| 18:39.02 | starfishy | ;) |
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| 18:40.50 | Shadowcat | our school still runs slowlaris with cde |
| 18:40.58 | Shadowcat | so I hate that particular combination |
| 18:41.13 | Shadowcat | I mean I run fluxbox at school because the machines really can't even handle cde properly |
| 18:41.53 | starfishy | cde megasucks :) |
| 18:41.53 | rredd4 | solaris comes in deb package? |
| 18:42.12 | Guerin | wtf |
| 18:42.15 | stew | rredd4: no, it doesn't. |
| 18:42.18 | starfishy | there is a solaris kernel with debian package management |
| 18:42.20 | Guerin | solaris is stupidware |
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| 18:42.31 | stew | solaris is considered non-free by debian |
| 18:42.31 | Guerin | only fucking stupid people use it |
| 18:42.32 | starfishy | guerin: how much experience with solaris do you have? |
| 18:42.37 | starfishy | i mean in a real environment |
| 18:42.44 | Guerin | the EULA is: |
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| 18:42.46 | starfishy | not some home-brewed school thingy |
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| 18:42.57 | Guerin | Are you a fucking stupid bastard? |
| 18:43.03 | Guerin | [ ] Yes |
| 18:43.06 | Guerin | [ ] No |
| 18:43.14 | starfishy | if i had to choose an OS for a data center I would choose solaris |
| 18:43.20 | Guerin | and if you say no, you can't install it |
| 18:43.23 | vin` | [ ] dunno |
| 18:43.33 | miguelf | sd |
| 18:43.36 | Guerin | vin`: which == [ ] yes |
| 18:43.43 | starfishy | methinks guerin is mega biased for some reason :) |
| 18:43.45 | rredd4 | I don't have dsl or cable here, need something to accelerate the www. |
| 18:43.47 | Shadowcat | heh I'm almost inclined to agree with Guerin |
| 18:43.52 | vin` | Guerin: ofcourse, the safe default. |
| 18:43.54 | Guerin | starfishy: you're stupid |
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| 18:43.58 | Shadowcat | starfishy: ya well I'm not mega impressed either to be honest |
| 18:44.07 | Guerin | see my assertion above |
| 18:44.08 | Shadowcat | but our new Solaris 10 boxes are pretty sweet |
| 18:44.13 | Guerin | no |
| 18:44.16 | Guerin | they are shit |
| 18:44.19 | starfishy | guerin: no, i just worked with solaris in serious environments a lot |
| 18:44.25 | stew | can we move this to #solaris? |
| 18:44.31 | Guerin | you just don't realise it because you're stupid |
| 18:44.34 | starfishy | and calling someone stupid just because they dont share your opinion is dumb |
| 18:44.38 | kspath | man signal |
| 18:44.39 | starfishy | to put it mildly |
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| 18:44.49 | Shadowcat | kspath: wrong terminal :P |
| 18:44.59 | starfishy | guerin: how much experience do you have with solaris? |
| 18:45.05 | starfishy | in a data center environment? |
| 18:45.07 | stew | starfishy: please take this elsewhere |
| 18:45.10 | starfishy | ok |
| 18:45.22 | Guerin | starfishy: |<----------this-much------------>| |
| 18:45.33 | kspath | Shadowcat: it was meant for others related to signals I just got out of my time machine :-P |
| 18:45.34 | Guerin | wtf |
| 18:45.56 | Guerin | ok, let's spell this out for the fucking stupid people amongst us |
| 18:46.04 | stew | Guerin: just drop it |
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| 18:46.28 | Guerin | sun make software which is either 0 or 1 points fucking uesless in free software |
| 18:46.31 | Guerin | this makes them shit |
| 18:46.35 | Guerin | simple |
| 18:47.35 | Guerin | heh |
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| 18:47.45 | airox | Hi! |
| 18:47.45 | Guerin | think that, then |
| 18:47.54 | airox | Is there some tool that can color tcpdump output ? |
| 18:48.05 | kspath | crayola |
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| 18:48.15 | kspath | but you will have to clean your screen after |
| 18:48.23 | starfishy | *chuckle* |
| 18:48.30 | Guerin | if you can demonstrate a case where sunware is useful is of any use in a frww software environment, we might have a sane base to work from |
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| 18:48.35 | kspath | airox I saw somethign like that in/on freshmeat.net |
| 18:48.42 | airox | Ok, is there some tool to slap people over the internet ? |
| 18:48.47 | kspath | staroffice |
| 18:49.03 | Guerin | AR: the first person to implement it will become a quadrizillionaire |
| 18:49.07 | kspath | !lart kspath |
| 18:49.12 | Guerin | airox: ^ |
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| 18:50.17 | starfishy | Guerin could not even talk to the channel without solaris |
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| 18:50.34 | starfishy | the majority of internet backbone servers running said OS |
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| 18:50.52 | Guerin | starfishy: hahah |
| 18:51.05 | starfishy | but anyway, debating with you is useless, guerin, you have no manners, no knowledge, no experience |
| 18:51.06 | Norbert | hi all, I saw this cool stuff [ http://freedesktop.org/~david/crypto/ ] and I'm wondering if anyone knows the website for screencast, the program used to create the Flash animation... |
| 18:51.16 | Guerin | starfishy: not that that OS couldn't be replaced with another; it's .... ..... |
| 18:51.17 | curt | NASA commented on that a few weeks ago |
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| 18:51.29 | Guerin | meh |
| 18:51.32 | Guerin | it's just inertia |
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| 18:51.58 | AR | Guerin> what? |
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| 18:52.03 | Guerin | and my keyboard having a "change language" key where half the spacebar should be |
| 18:52.05 | ChuckNorris | hi room |
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| 18:52.25 | LinuxNIT- | wow after this i think ill leave. yall have fun doing what ever you call that |
| 18:52.26 | Guerin | AR: intended for airox |
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| 18:52.41 | Guerin | !room |
| 18:52.41 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 18:52.41 | AR | Guerin> ok |
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| 18:53.14 | ChuckNorris | Guerin: that is a ROOM |
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| 18:53.30 | b00st | !room |
| 18:53.30 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 18:53.31 | Ronin | ChuckNorris: your sitting in a room chatting in a channel |
| 18:53.36 | b00st | !channel |
| 18:53.36 | dpkg | [channel] This refers to the group of resellers that supply most companies with software, hardware, and support. The channel is a force to be reckoned with, and it competes directly against companies like Gateway 2000 and Dell. A channel can also be a content container, like a television channel. You may be watching TV channels on the Internet someday. |
| 18:53.39 | b00st | :P |
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| 18:54.51 | bloom | what do I have to do to get openoffice.org-kde to work? I installed the package, but openoffice still looks as ugly as it did before I installed the package? |
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| 18:55.22 | debianito_proble | where to download the unestable version of debian? |
| 18:55.45 | kspath | unstable sid? |
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| 18:56.01 | debianito_proble | yes |
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| 18:56.11 | stew | debianito_proble: you don't. you install stable or testing and "upgrade" (if you can call it that) |
| 18:56.14 | starfishy | i dont think there are actual install cds for unstable |
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| 18:56.32 | starfishy | but if you have to ask you should not run unstable in the first place |
| 18:56.40 | kspath | dist-upgrage from stable/sarge but you use unstable at your own risk it will usually have broken parts |
| 18:56.41 | abrotman | there are not |
| 18:56.47 | abrotman | !sid faq |
| 18:56.47 | dpkg | hmm... sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:56.51 | cwood | An odd question... after the latest packaged kernel upgrade in Sid, did anybody else's PC speaker start with incessant beeping? |
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| 18:57.01 | abrotman | cwood: FIRE! |
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| 18:57.11 | debianito_proble | ok thanks! i think i should not...i will install the testing |
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| 18:57.23 | Guerin | cwood: suggest immediate disconnection of PC speaker |
| 18:57.23 | bloom | what do I have to do to get openoffice.org-kde to work? I installed the package, but openoffice still looks as ugly as it did before I installed the package? |
| 18:57.45 | Guerin | cwood: as was implemented more than a decade ago by mst sane computer users |
| 18:57.46 | beardy | Guerin: What will he then use to make beepings with? |
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| 18:57.50 | kspath | abrotman: BEEP! |
| 18:57.50 | Dragone | Hi To ALL! WaKe Up People [-ThE MaTRiX-] |
| 18:58.00 | abrotman | kspath: many beeps today |
| 18:58.00 | Guerin | beardy: /bin/beep |
| 18:58.04 | Guerin | naturally |
| 18:58.18 | cwood | Well, obviously. I'd just rather know what caused it, than simply unplug things. |
| 18:58.34 | cwood | Especially since this only happened in the last hour, with a kernel upgrade. |
| 18:58.37 | Guerin | cwood: /msg dpkg bell, see if Shit Gets Better |
| 18:58.40 | beardy | Guerin: Wouldn't that be quite quiet with a disconnected speaker? |
| 18:59.00 | Guerin | beardy: not if you have ANOTHER speaker |
| 18:59.03 | sepski | if something dont work and you have no clue why.. use wirecutters shamelessly.. it still dont work, but now you know why ! |
| 18:59.04 | Dragone | qualcuno parla italiano???? |
| 18:59.09 | beardy | !it |
| 18:59.09 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 18:59.10 | kspath | !it |
| 18:59.14 | kspath | hehe |
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| 18:59.29 | kspath | !tell Dragone about it |
| 18:59.30 | cwood | This isn't anything to do with X or a console, I'm reasonably certain. It starts when going through the USB bits in the hotplug init script. Interesting behaviour, certainly. |
| 18:59.43 | debianito_proble | one more thing..where to download the testing version for netinst?? |
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| 18:59.59 | Guerin | cwood: IS YOUR SOUND PERMANENTLY UP? |
| 19:00.03 | abrotman | !tell debianito_proble about d-i |
| 19:00.10 | Guerin | like |
| 19:00.14 | Eulex | debianito_proble, you don't, you get stable and dist-upgrade to testing. |
| 19:00.18 | Guerin | is my capsloc permanently |
| 19:00.20 | Guerin | on |
| 19:00.21 | Guerin | ? |
| 19:00.32 | debianito_proble | eulex but i cant install de stable |
| 19:00.35 | Guerin | that is the question! |
| 19:00.36 | beardy | Guerin: It was, it seemed. |
| 19:00.45 | debianito_proble | because i´m getting big troubles with acpi problem |
| 19:00.49 | Guerin | beardy: yes. |
| 19:00.49 | abrotman | i just freaking told him where |
| 19:00.50 | starfishy | eulex: the stable install disks have problems with some new hardware |
| 19:00.52 | beardy | Guerin: An eternal one.. |
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| 19:01.01 | cwood | Guerin: No, and as stated previously, it didn't happen in linux-image 2.6.15-6. |
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| 19:01.11 | starfishy | i have to use the testing install images because stable hangs my system |
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| 19:01.12 | Eulex | starfishy, I know, but he should use them if possible. |
| 19:01.12 | Guerin | starfishy: all hardware since stable was released, bizarely |
| 19:01.16 | abrotman | starfishy: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.12 .. sarge 2.6.14 .. sarge 2.6.15 :) |
| 19:01.40 | starfishy | guerin: yes, but what does that have to do with my advice? |
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| 19:01.57 | Eulex | starfishy, and he doesn't need to run stable for that -- there are unofficial sarge netinsts with newer kernels, as abrotman said |
| 19:01.59 | starfishy | and why is it that you seem to be dead set on picking a fight? |
| 19:02.19 | starfishy | eulex: why not run the testing netinst? the new installer works quite well |
| 19:02.20 | abrotman | me? |
| 19:02.31 | abrotman | i'm not picking a fight .. i hope you all die@! |
| 19:02.35 | starfishy | no, guerin |
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| 19:03.05 | starfishy | he seems like a pitbull who gets a piece of meat dangled in front of it |
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| 19:03.20 | Eulex | starfishy, because testing is not stable. it's undergoing quite rapid change nowadays and was actually quite b0rked for a few days with the libxft2 problem. |
| 19:03.20 | beardy | in front of what? |
| 19:03.46 | starfishy | eulex: but that bites you regardless of whether you use the testing installer or dist-upgrade to it |
| 19:03.52 | debianito_proble | starfishy actually who is the pitbull? |
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| 19:04.15 | airox | I've use multitail for the one's that wanted the same tool :) |
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| 19:04.47 | Eulex | starfishy, true. but from what I heard he was just wanted to try the testing netinst because the sarge netinst didn't work. |
| 19:04.52 | Guerin | starfishy: the real question is "how can a given installer support hardware newer than it?" |
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| 19:05.11 | Guerin | starfishy: which your advice fails to address |
| 19:05.16 | debianito_proble | i´m very confused because i tryed to install the netinst but.....I´m getting problems with the acpi version...so one friend told me to install the testing version |
| 19:05.20 | Guerin | i may be drunk, but I'm not stupid |
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| 19:05.45 | abrotman | !tell debianito_proble about d-i |
| 19:05.50 | starfishy | guerin: i did not say it was supposed to, just that some pcs dont work with it |
| 19:06.06 | debianito_proble | hey relax abrotman |
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| 19:06.17 | abrotman | that fucking tells you where to get it .. stop being so obtuse |
| 19:06.26 | starfishy | guerin: well, that you are drunk explains some things but doesnt excuse anything |
| 19:06.53 | stew | starfishy: Guerin can you guys just please drop it or continue this privately? |
| 19:06.58 | debianito_proble | no it doesn´t |
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| 19:07.01 | starfishy | stew: ok |
| 19:07.03 | abrotman | bull fucking shit |
| 19:07.12 | Guerin | starfishy: all I'm saying is that your logic is faulty |
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| 19:07.20 | abrotman | debianito_proble: see what dpkg told you .. it's right there .. if you can't comprehend english .. installing debian will be much harder |
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| 19:07.30 | Guerin | starfishy: it's faulty regardless of my state, any child can see that |
| 19:07.44 | Guerin | not that I give a fuck, I'm just sayin' |
| 19:07.48 | debianito_proble | it just tell where to download the stable version and not the netinst of the testing verrsion my friend |
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| 19:08.09 | debianito_proble | by the way i´m like a pitbull in fron of a piece of meet so i will install it |
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| 19:08.22 | Eulex | debianito_proble, please read the full fact. |
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| 19:08.31 | debianito_proble | !tell abrotman about d-i |
| 19:08.35 | stew | !d-i |
| 19:08.35 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:08.43 | Eulex | debianito_proble, ^^ |
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| 19:08.46 | beardy | debianito_proble: Don't do that. What is so hard about reading it? |
| 19:08.48 | stew | debianito_proble: ^^^ for etch/testing.... |
| 19:08.57 | debianito_proble | development is same as testing? |
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| 19:08.58 | abrotman | debianito_proble: it tells you exactly where to get it .. you hvae to read past the first sentence |
| 19:09.07 | abrotman | IT FUCKING SAYS ETCH/TESTING |
| 19:09.12 | abrotman | god damn |
| 19:09.21 | beardy | debianito_proble: It says "(ISOs for etch/testing)" what's your excuse? |
| 19:09.24 | stew | debianito_proble: the testing installer is currently under development and is considered beta |
| 19:09.39 | debianito_proble | ok sorry |
| 19:09.48 | abrotman | they actually recommend to use the daily because beta1 is biffed now for some reason |
| 19:09.59 | debianito_proble | but you know i´ve been in front of my computer more than 6 hours and I still dont have it installed |
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| 19:10.06 | debianito_proble | so i´m very confused |
| 19:10.10 | debianito_proble | thats why |
| 19:10.23 | meff | hahahaha |
| 19:10.33 | abrotman | i can't imagine why |
| 19:10.42 | debianito_proble | yes u can |
| 19:10.45 | beardy | !u |
| 19:10.46 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:10.46 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:10.56 | abrotman | Etch Beta1 broken installation media. Frans Pop announced that as a consequence to changes to the Debian archive, most of the installation media from Etch Beta1 are known to break. The only images that should still be usable are the full installation CDs. These changes are necessary for the Etch Beta2 release of Debian Installer. If you need to use one of the other installation methods, use the daily built images. |
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| 19:11.00 | abrotman | from the DWN |
| 19:11.01 | debianito_proble | when u´ll get the acpi problem first installing it then ull imagine my friend |
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| 19:11.13 | Eulex | !is confused |
| 19:11.13 | dpkg | And you're an idiot, eulex. |
| 19:11.15 | themusicgod1 | how long genrally does it take between submitting a bug with reportbug and it being on bugs.debian.org ? |
| 19:11.19 | Eulex | lol |
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| 19:11.31 | abrotman | themusicgod1: 15 minutes is a decent time |
| 19:11.40 | abrotman | themusicgod1: i believe you get a confirmation email |
| 19:11.46 | meff | themusicgod1: like 15-30 |
| 19:11.48 | Guerin | themusicgod1: should be as long as the MTA takes to deliver it |
| 19:12.03 | stew | Guerin: its always longer than that |
| 19:12.17 | meff | Guerin: you'll get confirmation instantly, tho it doesnt show up for like 20 mins |
| 19:12.23 | zamaliphe | any one cane help me to use qemu ??? what i need to do ?? |
| 19:12.28 | Guerin | yeah, there's a script that runs twice an hour |
| 19:12.35 | abrotman | meff: you don't get confirmation until it gets a bug number |
| 19:12.36 | Guerin | damn, you guys ar fast |
| 19:13.03 | Eulex | zamaliphe, for what? |
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| 19:13.38 | zamaliphe | for boot fom iso img |
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| 19:14.29 | Eulex | zamaliphe, qemu -boot d -cdrom foo.iso |
| 19:14.49 | Eulex | zamaliphe, next time, rtfm :) |
| 19:14.52 | themusicgod1 | I think my mta config is borked |
| 19:15.12 | themusicgod1 | I'm thinking I'll probably have to send another bug report...I just want to make sure I'm not sending a double :( |
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| 19:15.28 | Eulex | themusicgod1, check the logs. |
| 19:15.30 | abrotman | themusicgod1: how long has it been? |
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| 19:15.50 | zamaliphe | Eulex what about the verchal qemo hard file??do i need eny?? |
| 19:15.56 | Slaughter | hi people |
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| 19:16.14 | Eulex | zamaliphe, yes, -hda foo.img |
| 19:16.25 | abrotman | did anyone tell debianito_blah how to turn acpi off on the installer? |
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| 19:17.33 | zamaliphe | Eulex how to creat the foo.img file?? |
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| 19:17.55 | endeavormac | when compiling, i get this error: /usr/include/c++/3.3/bits/stl_alloc.h:602: error: syntax error before `;' token |
| 19:18.23 | endeavormac | does this mean there is something wrong with my installation of the standard library? |
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| 19:18.23 | devazion | Is there a tutorial for kernel framebuffer for debian? |
| 19:18.23 | Guerin | devazion: don't use it. |
| 19:18.23 | Eulex | zamaliphe, qemu-img. once again, rtfm. it's all in the manual and man pages. |
| 19:18.28 | Guerin | that's more or less the whole bag |
| 19:18.31 | starfishy | what do you want a tutorial for? |
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| 19:18.42 | nuxil | good evning gents |
| 19:18.44 | starfishy | why not? |
| 19:18.54 | nuxil | i have a Q?.. i need to make a initscript.. well i have make one.. so heres my Q.. to be able to start the initscript at boot i need to do: ln /etc/ini.d/script /etc/rc3.d/S99script ?and must the link has the exacr name as the script in /etc/init.d ?? |
| 19:18.56 | starfishy | i like having more than 80x25 resolution in my text consoles |
| 19:19.03 | zebalin4 | Sounds like debianito is a newbie. I don't know why you folks encourage newbies to Linux to install debian. IMO they are better off with one of the live cd derivatives. (hit me with your best shot :-)) |
| 19:19.11 | devazion | I want to know if there is a module availble or if i have to make a new kernel |
| 19:19.20 | Eulex | devazion, just append vga=blah to your kernel options, where blah is the vesa screen mode in hex + 0x300 |
| 19:19.35 | stew | nuxil: no it doens't need to be the same name. and you can use update-rc.d to help you make the symlinks |
| 19:19.42 | stew | nuxil: why are you using runlevel 3? |
| 19:19.44 | Eulex | devazion, hwinfo --framebuffer to detect the available vesa vbe modes |
| 19:19.56 | stew | nuxil: you aren't using debian are you? |
| 19:19.57 | nuxil | stew what rl should i use then? |
| 19:20.04 | nuxil | stew ubuntu |
| 19:20.12 | Eulex | !ubuntu |
| 19:20.12 | dpkg | ubuntu is probably not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 19:20.12 | stew | nuxil: 2 is the default in debian, 3,4,5 are all exactly the same as 2 |
| 19:20.15 | abrotman | endeavormac: what version of debian? |
| 19:20.25 | endeavormac | current stable, sarge |
| 19:20.26 | stew | nuxil: please move to #ubuntu. ubuntu questions are off-topic here |
| 19:20.35 | abrotman | !find bits/stl_alloc.h sarge |
| 19:20.42 | endeavormac | install is only 5 days old |
| 19:20.45 | starfishy | zebalin4: i was a newbie once too and so were you |
| 19:20.48 | nuxil | stew i dont get answer there |
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| 19:20.54 | starfishy | and i learn faster when i have a real challenge |
| 19:20.55 | stew | nuxil: try a mailing list then |
| 19:20.55 | abrotman | tough shit .. go to #ubuntu |
| 19:20.56 | blondie | nuxil: tough |
| 19:21.12 | starfishy | so do others |
| 19:21.14 | zebalin4 | ubuntu is not debian... but I've read the changelogs to several packages and the ubun folks are good about sending their fixes back uptream or midstrea, or whatever. |
| 19:21.15 | nuxil | but it uses the same initstyle |
| 19:21.20 | nuxil | doent it? |
| 19:21.22 | vin` | !badgerknoppix |
| 19:21.22 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
| 19:21.22 | nuxil | arr |
| 19:21.23 | abrotman | dude .. please go to #ubuntu |
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| 19:21.38 | blondie | can I say GTFO? I'm feeling.... emo |
| 19:21.39 | nuxil | you guys hate ubuntu dont you |
| 19:21.39 | stew | nuxil: it does |
| 19:21.44 | Eulex | zebalin4, my first exposure to linux was debian, and I've stayed ever since. |
| 19:21.46 | abrotman | nuxil: we do .. now leave |
| 19:21.51 | starfishy | i dont hate any OS |
| 19:21.58 | zebalin4 | starfishy: nowadays it is so much eaiser to BE a newbie with all the live CDs out there. They should take advantage of it and cut the frustration level. |
| 19:22.02 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 19:22.02 | dpkg | hello |
| 19:22.04 | starfishy | i just dont think that going to A to get support for B makes sense |
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| 19:22.04 | abrotman | bah |
| 19:22.19 | fbtab | hi, how do i check which package a certain file belongs to? |
| 19:22.22 | acktvst | what parameters have i got to give to wine to run a game? (4 3d graphic aceleration) sorry, i am spanish |
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| 19:22.25 | starfishy | zebalin: i started with 10 floppies downloaded (IMMSMR) from sunsite.unc.edu |
| 19:22.33 | abrotman | endeavormac: http://bugs.debian.org/libstdc++5-3.3-dev |
| 19:22.42 | abrotman | endeavormac: see anything there? |
| 19:22.49 | Eulex | fbtab, dpkg -S or apt-file search |
| 19:22.53 | abrotman | acktvst: might have more luck in #winehq |
| 19:22.53 | endeavormac | give me a minute to look it over |
| 19:22.57 | endeavormac | thanks :) |
| 19:22.59 | fbtab | Eulex, thank you |
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| 19:23.07 | Eulex | fbtab, yw :) |
| 19:23.08 | starfishy | starfishy: and i learned faster than i would ever have been able to with knoppix or such |
| 19:23.12 | zebalin4 | starfishy: I took the cowards way out and started with MDK... then spent several years with slackware and then come to debian when I experienced the charms of apt-get. |
| 19:23.21 | abrotman | endeavormac: check the archived ones too |
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| 19:23.37 | Glanzmann | Is cryptoroot supported out of the box on Debian? |
| 19:23.46 | Glanzmann | On Debian Etch that is? |
| 19:23.47 | Guerin | starfishy: didn't learn to not talk to your elf though |
| 19:23.55 | Ciaran_H | I need to go. Be back later, probably. |
| 19:23.55 | Glanzmann | dpkg, cryptoroot |
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| 19:24.00 | stew | Glanzmann: yes on etch, no on sarge |
| 19:24.00 | zamaliphe | Eulex ok im reading the "man qemu-img" but i need to understand sory to be so stuped but help?? |
| 19:24.10 | starfishy | guerin: i suggest you grow up and drop it |
| 19:24.29 | Glanzmann | stew: Where can I read about it? |
| 19:24.30 | abrotman | fight! |
| 19:24.35 | starfishy | zebalin4: back when i started there was no cowards way out |
| 19:24.39 | starfishy | there was not even X for linux |
| 19:24.44 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bits/stl_alloc.h' (1): (/usr/include/c++/3.3/bits/stl_alloc.h) in libdevel/libstdc++5-3.3-dev. |
| 19:24.45 | endeavormac | in dpkg -l my libstc++5-3.3-dev files are marked pi. this means they are marked to be purged? (sorry, a bit new to debian) |
| 19:24.50 | abrotman | dpkg: you're slow |
| 19:24.59 | zebalin4 | starfishy: don't you agree that for the vast majority of people coming from Win to Linux that debian is not the best approach and that one of the clones is better? (rememember, I said vast majority). |
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| 19:26.40 | Eulex | zamaliphe, see the create section. basically, qemu-img create [-e] [-b base_image] [-f fmt] filename [size] |
| 19:26.41 | abrotman | endeavormac: i think so .. that's weird .. |
| 19:26.41 | starfishy | zebalin4: depends on your point of view |
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| 19:26.42 | starfishy | for the majority of users maybe it makes sense to try something else |
| 19:26.42 | ramiroec | windows :D |
| 19:26.43 | starfishy | but if someone is really interested i dont think turning him away makes sense |
| 19:26.44 | Guerin | starfishy: grow up to what and drop what? |
| 19:26.44 | abrotman | endeavormac: maybe reinstall it |
| 19:26.45 | pipeline | starfishy: Uh, when was there ever not X for linux? |
| 19:26.45 | Guerin | starfishy: i'm just sayin - talking to yourself is wack. |
| 19:26.45 | endeavormac | uninstall and reinstall do you think? |
| 19:26.46 | abrotman | endeavormac: just --reinstall |
| 19:26.47 | pipeline | starfishy: X has halfassedly worked on Linux since day one. |
| 19:26.47 | stew | Glanzmann: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/PartmanCrypto |
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| 19:26.47 | starfishy | pipeline: back in 1993 there was no X for linux |
| 19:26.48 | zamaliphe | Eulex ok now what -f i shod use for the iso?? |
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| 19:26.48 | Eulex | zamaliphe, look above. |
| 19:26.49 | starfishy | pipeline: not really |
| 19:26.49 | zebalin4 | starfishy: not sure POV is important here... it's the POV of those making the migration. I don't think we should turn them away... but if they demonstrate absolute newbiness, they need to be redirected. |
| 19:26.50 | stew | Glanzmann: its still in development, it might not all be there yet |
| 19:26.50 | starfishy | guerin: you know exactly what i mean |
| 19:26.54 | pipeline | starfishy: That's just not true. |
| 19:26.55 | starfishy | pipeline: what do you define as 'day 1'? |
| 19:26.56 | Eulex | zamaliphe, probably raw or qcow. |
| 19:26.56 | Guerin | starfishy: do I? |
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| 19:27.00 | Guerin | wow |
| 19:27.02 | endeavormac | dpkg --reinstall libstdc++5-3.3-dev ? |
| 19:27.02 | Guerin | news to me |
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| 19:27.20 | starfishy | guerin: if not, go sleep off the alcohol |
| 19:27.27 | pipeline | starfishy: Pick a day. Any day. |
| 19:27.27 | stew | Guerin: starfishy: really. please. can you please just drop it or take it elsewhere? |
| 19:27.40 | pipeline | starfishy: There was never a point at which linux was bootable and X was not available. |
| 19:27.44 | starfishy | stew: why do you keep asking me but not guerin? |
| 19:27.50 | v|p3r | hi, how can i specific a eth* to a network interface? |
| 19:27.56 | pipeline | v|p3r: ifrename |
| 19:28.01 | stew | starfishy: read again |
| 19:28.07 | Guerin | starfishy: heh. You're saying you DIDN'T just address a commentto yourself? Remarkable. |
| 19:28.13 | Guerin | starfishy: take what |
| 19:28.15 | Guerin | ? |
| 19:28.18 | Guerin | bah |
| 19:28.22 | v|p3r | pipeline: that stay in the next bootup? |
| 19:28.24 | Guerin | stew: take what? |
| 19:28.32 | pipeline | v|p3r: Yes. |
| 19:28.39 | v|p3r | thanks |
| 19:28.43 | pipeline | zebalin4: And by the way, I absolutely do not think that the "Clones" are better. |
| 19:28.47 | starfishy | pipeline: maybe it was, maybe it wasnt, it wasnt in the first 'distros' i downloaded though |
| 19:28.49 | pipeline | zebalin4: A monkey could set up debian with one finger. |
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| 19:28.49 | stew | Guerin: the arguments that you two keep getting in are off-topic and not very insteresting, and annoying |
| 19:28.59 | starfishy | and how far back does your experience date? |
| 19:29.00 | zebalin4 | pipeline: not better... just easier to get started with. |
| 19:29.06 | Guerin | stew: arguments? |
| 19:29.11 | pipeline | starfishy: By the time distributions existed, most of them actually packaged XF86 on the disc. |
| 19:29.14 | Guerin | stew: are you talking to me? |
| 19:29.32 | pipeline | zebalin4: Yeah, well, the "clones" in question usually don't do such a good job of keeping software working. If "getting started" means "having no third party software at all", then yes. |
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| 19:29.41 | stew | Guerin: becuase you are mostly off-topic |
| 19:29.42 | starfishy | pipeline: this was before there were discs/CDs |
| 19:29.53 | pipeline | starfishy: Yes. And even then, X386 was available. |
| 19:29.54 | starfishy | my first distro was 10 floppy images downloaded from sunsite |
| 19:29.56 | abrotman | before floppies? |
| 19:30.04 | zebalin4 | pipeline: ubuntu is a bad example because it uses the debian installer. but kanotix and mepis etc. make it very easy to migrate from XP to Linux. |
| 19:30.06 | pipeline | starfishy: Hell, even in the earliest days, you could run the Minix X binaries, I think. |
| 19:30.11 | abrotman | and unless i'm mistaken computers have had CDROMs .. since .. late 80s? |
| 19:30.13 | starfishy | did not contain X |
| 19:30.18 | Guerin | starfishy: what's the relevance of that question, when I'm referring explicitly to specific things you're saying on-channel? |
| 19:30.24 | pipeline | zebalin4: And then you're stuck up shit creek without a paddle when you want third party software. Bad move. |
| 19:30.25 | starfishy | abrotman: here you are mistaken |
| 19:30.27 | abrotman | not on a normal PC |
| 19:30.28 | beardy | abrotman: Not many though. |
| 19:30.35 | abrotman | starfishy: not a family PC .. but yes .. they were available |
| 19:30.36 | pokute_ | What's that burning? |
| 19:30.38 | starfishy | the first mass produced cdroms were available in 93 or 94 |
| 19:30.39 | pipeline | starfishy: Heh, I have CD-ROMs from the mid eighties, dude. They weren't that uncommon :P |
| 19:30.46 | ramiroec | whats the oldest distro ? slackware ? |
| 19:30.48 | abrotman | starfishy: i didn't say mass produced |
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| 19:30.49 | starfishy | pipeline: i want to see that |
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| 19:30.59 | zebalin4 | pipeline: how are you stuck? What prevents you from using 3rd party stuff on any of the debian derivatives? |
| 19:31.03 | abrotman | starfishy: and that wouldn't be right either .. my crap PC for college came with a CDROM in .. 94 |
| 19:31.03 | pipeline | starfishy: It's approximately 1.5U, 2.5" |
| 19:31.06 | abrotman | god i'm old |
| 19:31.12 | zebalin4 | pipeline: maybe we define 3rd party differently? |
| 19:31.12 | Guerin | starfishy: are you trying to use n years of potentially fictional experience to trump x moments of provable quotation? That *is* sad. |
| 19:31.13 | veamos | what is better, lilo or grub? |
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| 19:31.15 | pipeline | zebalin4: They're not debian and they don't provide mu ch third-party software themselves. |
| 19:31.20 | Guerin | !grand |
| 19:31.20 | dpkg | It's not called the GRAND Unified Bootloader for nothing. |
| 19:31.28 | pipeline | starfishy: Err, approximately 1.5U, 19". |
| 19:31.29 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDROM |
| 19:31.31 | abrotman | win me .. |
| 19:31.40 | pipeline | starfishy: But it's SCSI. Modern devices can still use'em. |
| 19:31.43 | zebalin4 | pipeline: depends on how you define 'debian.' |
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| 19:31.54 | pipeline | zebalin4: There's only one definition of debian. It's trademarked. |
| 19:31.57 | abrotman | i get a prize!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 19:32.04 | abrotman | i want azeem's pony |
| 19:32.08 | beardy | !prize abrotman |
| 19:32.09 | Kovecses | hello |
| 19:32.12 | beardy | bah.. |
| 19:32.16 | pipeline | starfishy: Really, dude, you have to stop pretending to be a greybeard if you're going to say such silly, silly things. |
| 19:32.18 | Guerin | ramiroec: yggdrasil |
| 19:32.23 | Eulex | !grub vs lilo |
| 19:32.23 | dpkg | grub vs lilo is probably http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-bootload.html?ca=dgr-lnxw01LILOandGRUB |
| 19:32.25 | zebalin4 | pipeline: I don't understand relation between trademark and definition. |
| 19:32.27 | endeavormac | i have not been able to have a single thing compile successfully so far under my box |
| 19:32.32 | abrotman | I NEVER GET THE PONY! |
| 19:32.37 | abrotman | endeavormac: apt-get install build-essential |
| 19:32.39 | pipeline | zebalin4: Trademarks ensure that there's only one possible definition. |
| 19:32.43 | endeavormac | thanks |
| 19:32.45 | ciphergoth | I don't have a /dev/nvidiactl and I'm using udev. Whose job is it to create this file? |
| 19:32.49 | pipeline | zebalin4: It is illegal to redefine it. |
| 19:32.50 | starfishy | pipeline: : there never was a 19 inch cdrom |
| 19:32.53 | abrotman | starfishy: i was right .. you were wrong .. nananbooboo |
| 19:32.59 | starfishy | abrotman: link? |
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| 19:33.03 | pipeline | starfishy: No, no, no, the DRIVE was 19". |
| 19:33.07 | abrotman | starfishy: i pasted |
| 19:33.09 | pipeline | starfishy: It read regular discs :P |
| 19:33.13 | starfishy | cdrom is a format defined in the early 90s |
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| 19:33.15 | pokute_ | pipeline: I think that trademarks mean more that no-one else can market something with that name. |
| 19:33.19 | zebalin4 | pipeline: so what IS the definition of debian? |
| 19:33.23 | endeavormac | apt-get --reinstall install build-essential? |
| 19:33.24 | Guerin | an old skool VCD drive? |
| 19:33.26 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDROM .. starfishy .. 1985 apparently .. |
| 19:33.39 | pipeline | Guerin: Nah. It's for data. |
| 19:33.40 | Guerin | that takes me back to when I was in film skool |
| 19:33.40 | pokute_ | It's not like people can't say that debian is a nice workout program in the gym. |
| 19:33.41 | Kovecses | debian is the mix of two names..... debbie and ian |
| 19:33.49 | Guerin | and you had to turn the disc over at half time |
| 19:33.50 | pipeline | Guerin: VCD is actually a pretty modern thing. Late eighties, early nineties. |
| 19:33.58 | pipeline | zebalin4: It's a product of debian.org |
| 19:34.12 | pipeline | starfishy: Seriously, stuff it. You're wrong about so, so many things. Matters of public record. |
| 19:34.13 | zebalin4 | pipeline: IBM is trademaked. What is the definitiion of "IBM"? Coke? I think you have the concept of patent and trademark confused. |
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| 19:34.19 | pipeline | zebalin4: No, no I do not. |
| 19:34.20 | Guerin | pipeline: reasonable, since I was there in mid-90s |
| 19:34.28 | pipeline | zebalin4: IBM is trademarked. Meaning I can't call my company IBM and get away with it. |
| 19:34.44 | pipeline | Guerin: Heh, you can still buy VCDs. |
| 19:34.45 | Kovecses | you cant call your company debian either |
| 19:35.00 | starfishy | i think some people here have anger issues |
| 19:35.00 | zebalin4 | What if I make a complete copy of etch. I don't change a thing. I can't call it 'debian' but is it STILL 'debian'? You make the call. |
| 19:35.02 | abrotman | starfishy: i was right .. you were wrong .. nananbooboo |
| 19:35.09 | pipeline | starfishy: I object to assholes in IRC promulgating untrue information. |
| 19:35.13 | Solilo | Any legal threat should I name my hamster Debian? |
| 19:35.15 | starfishy | boo-hoo |
| 19:35.15 | Guerin | pipeline: i live in asia, you needn't tell me this. |
| 19:35.18 | pipeline | zebalin4: No. It is not debian. It is not provided by Debian.org, owners of the trademark. |
| 19:35.28 | Guerin | starfishy: who has anger issues? |
| 19:35.33 | pipeline | Guerin: Me. |
| 19:35.34 | starfishy | pipeline: as if you have never been wrong |
| 19:35.37 | starfishy | guerin: drop it |
| 19:35.43 | Kovecses | anyone using kde 3.5 backports for sarge? |
| 19:35.43 | Guerin | starfishy: personaly, I think some peope here have stupidity issues. |
| 19:35.48 | pipeline | starfishy: I'm frequently wrong. I usually either admit it or shut the hell up. |
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| 19:35.49 | starfishy | if you cant hold your liquor, go to bed |
| 19:35.59 | zebalin4 | pipeline: so the asprin you buy with the store-brand label is not the same as the Bayer Asprin? |
| 19:36.04 | eeyore- | what's the cause of this current indignant chest-beating? |
| 19:36.06 | starfishy | pipeline: ok, i admit that i was wrong about the cd drive |
| 19:36.06 | Eulex | Kovecses, very likely |
| 19:36.08 | starfishy | happy now? |
| 19:36.10 | abrotman | pipeline: that worked well :) |
| 19:36.15 | ramiroec | Guerin : are you shure ? |
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| 19:36.24 | starfishy | the first distro i got did not have X though |
| 19:36.34 | pipeline | zebalin4: Aspirin is not a valid trademark any more because it was genericized. This is why most products say "Foo Brand Bar" |
| 19:36.37 | Kovecses | Eulex: yeah im using them and they work very well.... except one thing |
| 19:36.38 | starfishy | and as far as I know there was no distro available back then that had X |
| 19:36.45 | starfishy | if you have better information, id like to hear it |
| 19:36.47 | zebalin4 | Bayer is trademarked. |
| 19:36.48 | pipeline | starfishy: At one time, there were no distributions. |
| 19:36.51 | pipeline | starfishy: X has always been available. |
| 19:36.54 | eeyore- | starfishy: define "back then" |
| 19:36.56 | starfishy | and please not only 'you are wrong' |
| 19:36.58 | Eulex | Kovecses, don't ask me, I'm not using it :) |
| 19:37.01 | Guerin | starfishy: but I can, you see. The fact that you've been singularly unable to disprove or discredit a single thing I've said, despite your so-called sobriety bonus, demonstrates that most admirably. |
| 19:37.04 | starfishy | back then was in fall of 1993 |
| 19:37.05 | abrotman | starfishy: i'm still looking .. Xfree was on BSD around 1990 .. |
| 19:37.11 | smee | gnufan, you're freakin me out man.. your reply was for something I said like.. 2 days ago? and it's 1000000 lines per day in here... |
| 19:37.14 | starfishy | kernel was 0.98pl5 |
| 19:37.14 | zamaliphe | Eulex ok i have use # qemu-img create -e -b navynos-2005.01.iso -f qcow zam_iso.img 3000 |
| 19:37.20 | eeyore- | starfishy: i'm pretty sure i used yggdrasil *before* 1993 |
| 19:37.25 | Eulex | zamaliphe, no |
| 19:37.26 | thingfish | hehe "sobriety bonus" |
| 19:37.27 | zebalin4 | Is Costco (Kirkland) asprin the same as Bayer Asprin? |
| 19:37.27 | eeyore- | starfishy: and yggdrasil *had* X |
| 19:37.37 | pipeline | abrotman, starfishy : X386 was available for Minix and Linux from the first days that Linux was publically available. |
| 19:37.38 | starfishy | eeyore: i bought the first yggdrasil CD, but that was in 1994 |
| 19:37.40 | Kovecses | Eulex: fair enouhg |
| 19:37.43 | starfishy | that indeed ha X |
| 19:37.48 | eeyore- | starfishy: we're talking 40 floppies |
| 19:37.58 | pipeline | abrotman, starfishy : It supported like, five cards, and it would murder your system with its memory requirements, and it crashed a lot, but it was available :P |
| 19:38.03 | pipeline | zebalin4: Yeah, usually. |
| 19:38.10 | Kovecses | I just rented march of the penquins |
| 19:38.20 | zamaliphe | Eulex whay what i shod do ?? |
| 19:38.24 | pipeline | zebalin4: If Bayer were selling "Aspirin" today, they would sell it as "Aspirin brand salycilic acid" so that their trademark doesn't get fucked. |
| 19:38.33 | Guerin | ramiroec: yes. |
| 19:38.38 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 19:38.38 | pipeline | zebalin4: Today, you could sell anything you damn well wanted and call it "Aspirin" -- the trademark is no longer valid because it was genericized. |
| 19:38.38 | Eulex | zamaliphe, (a) I don't think you want it to be encrypted (b) I don't think you want to create an .img from the .iso. |
| 19:38.44 | Guerin | was it yggdrasil or SLS? |
| 19:38.58 | pipeline | zebalin4: The only way you know that your Costco aspirin is, indeed, "Aspirin" is the ingredients list. |
| 19:39.08 | starfishy | some dud pressed yggdrasil on cd in 1994 |
| 19:39.14 | pipeline | zebalin4: I could sell vitamin C tablets and call them "Aspirin" |
| 19:39.17 | endeavormac | ok, i have two instances of g++ and gcc, one is g++ and one is g++-3.3. The -3.3s are the more current versions, but I believe gcc is being called in the path. I am having a lot of trouble here and I don't understand why. I believe it has something to do with my GNU tools |
| 19:39.18 | eeyore- | aspirins are aspirins ... go drink coke or something :-) |
| 19:39.22 | starfishy | and cheated the subscribers out of 5 of the 6 promised CDs |
| 19:39.29 | Kovecses | what was the first wm besides plain X? |
| 19:39.32 | starfishy | but at least i got one version on CD |
| 19:39.48 | pipeline | Kovecses: Heh, i think the first /decent/ wm was twm. |
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| 19:39.57 | pipeline | Kovecses: There were a few early ones, but they were really useless. |
| 19:39.57 | starfishy | for that weird Mitsumi drive where the whole drive was moving out |
| 19:40.03 | Kovecses | pipeline: ahh |
| 19:40.06 | abrotman | starfishy: Linux got X in April '92 .. with the release of Linux 0.95 |
| 19:40.10 | zebalin4 | So you are saying that distro can only be 'debian' if it is trademarked as debian. One that is an exact copy is not 'debian' but something else? Legally, ok, but in practice we're back to asprin again. |
| 19:40.22 | abrotman | pipeline: Linux got X in April '92 .. with the release of Linux 0.95 |
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| 19:40.25 | pipeline | zebalin4: That is the purpose of trademarks. |
| 19:40.28 | pipeline | abrotman: I know. |
| 19:40.32 | starfishy | abrotman: that may well be true, but it was not in the early distros i downloaded |
| 19:40.34 | starfishy | happy now? |
| 19:40.41 | abrotman | starfishy: but you were still wrong! :) |
| 19:40.44 | Guerin | zebalin4: no. An exact copy is by definition debina. |
| 19:40.47 | pipeline | zebalin4: If it says "Debian", you know exactly what it is. You can claim whatever you like about your "exact copy", but it is no longer debian. |
| 19:40.51 | endeavormac | is there a checklist i can go through of what I need to make sure things are going to compile correctly with the most current version of Debian? |
| 19:40.52 | zamaliphe | #flood Eulex i have tray :#qemu-img create -e -b navynos-2005.01.iso zam_iso 3000 |
| 19:40.53 | zamaliphe | Formating 'zam_iso', fmt=raw, encrypted, backing_file=navynos-2005.01.iso, size=555060 kB |
| 19:40.53 | zamaliphe | qemu-img: Formatting or formatting option not supported for file format 'raw' |
| 19:41.08 | Eulex | zamaliphe, also, I don't think you want a 3mb .img. I think you want want qemu-img create -f qcow zam_iso.img 3G (creates a 3gb qcow image with the filename zam_iso.img) |
| 19:41.13 | zebalin4 | pipeline: ok, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. |
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| 19:41.16 | Guerin | anything that's not an iso or 100% identical mirror of the official debian release is not exact. |
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| 19:41.21 | Solilo | Could someone explain what 'PR' stands for in top? |
| 19:41.26 | pipeline | zebalin4: If it is an exact enough copy that you can legally call it "Debian", then it is debian. If it's not official, it's not debian -- it's something else that may or may not resemble debian. |
| 19:41.31 | abrotman | starfishy: that was barely a year after 0.01 .. and only a few months after the first really working version |
| 19:41.41 | pipeline | starfishy: That's what you should have said the first time :P |
| 19:41.43 | Eulex | zamaliphe, -e means encryption. Please RTFM! |
| 19:41.44 | starfishy | then pipeline was wrong |
| 19:41.52 | beardy | endeavormac: That depends on what you are compiling, and what you mean with "most current version of Debian". |
| 19:41.52 | pipeline | abrotman, starfishy : Heh, I think some people had X working on the first versions that could get more than a shell going :P |
| 19:41.59 | starfishy | he claimed X was always available when linux was bootable |
| 19:42.02 | pipeline | abrotman, starfishy : In the early days, if nothing else, you had Minix binaries. |
| 19:42.04 | Kovecses | i can set my dma for my cdrom drive? |
| 19:42.07 | abrotman | starfishy: i assume apr 92 was xfree .. there wsa another X before that |
| 19:42.10 | Kovecses | it says operation not permitted |
| 19:42.10 | starfishy | now i suggest you admit you were wrong too pipeline |
| 19:42.18 | endeavormac | i mean the latest stable. So far i have tried compiling php5, apache, elinks and now rainbowcrack. everything has failed |
| 19:42.29 | pipeline | starfishy, abrotman : XFree used to be called X386. It was just a fork of MIT X11 riddled with hacks to support PC hardware. |
| 19:42.33 | abrotman | starfishy: unless you can prove that there was NO X at all .. finding that for Xfree was enough work :) |
| 19:42.33 | Eulex | zamaliphe, -b means that it will base the image on an older image. you don't want that either. |
| 19:42.35 | starfishy | i dont think there was another X but i may be wrong |
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| 19:42.45 | endeavormac | i ended up using apt-get for apache, elinks and php4-sqlite, but as rainbowcrack is not a debian package, i need to compile it |
| 19:42.50 | abrotman | starfishy: there was certainly another X before Xfree |
| 19:42.58 | zebalin4 | gotta go back to work. bbl. |
| 19:42.59 | starfishy | abrotman: i dont feel the need to be right at all cost |
| 19:43.03 | starfishy | so ... have it your way |
| 19:43.08 | abrotman | you wanted it your way |
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| 19:43.15 | abrotman | i knew i was right about the CDROM |
| 19:43.16 | starfishy | no, i didnt |
| 19:43.23 | Guerin | starfishy: so what you're saying is that you have no fucking idea, but you WANT to think a particular thing |
| 19:43.24 | eeyore- | abrotman: hmm? |
| 19:43.27 | abrotman | they just weren't widely available |
| 19:43.29 | starfishy | i just said that there was no X with the distros i downloaded bacj then |
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| 19:43.35 | abrotman | eeyore-: don't make me send rabbit- to your house |
| 19:43.40 | pipeline | abrotman, starfishy : I have no intention of admitting wrong. Abrotman dug up a release date for XFree86's official linux release. I'm confident that there was, indeed, working X on linux before that. |
| 19:43.42 | Guerin | starfishy: great way to convince people, dawg. |
| 19:43.47 | Solilo | Could someone explain what the 'PR' column in top represents? |
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| 19:43.49 | blondie | eeyore- are you an ass? |
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| 19:43.53 | eeyore- | abrotman: that'll go well with my desert spotted tortoise |
| 19:43.54 | allanh128 | Hello. I was wondering if anyboyd could maybe answer a few questions about Debian licensing? |
| 19:43.54 | pipeline | Solilo: priority, IIRC |
| 19:43.56 | Guerin | starfishy: man top can |
| 19:43.59 | pipeline | allanh128: Just ask. |
| 19:44.02 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's just wrong :) |
| 19:44.05 | slashzul | anyone run apache with cgi-bin? Im trying to get ~users/cgi-bin access |
| 19:44.06 | Solilo | Thanks, pipeline. |
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| 19:44.24 | Eulex | Solilo, press f. |
| 19:44.33 | pipeline | slashzul: I think you have to have mod_userdir loaded or something, then configure the userdir module. The point is, if you search the apache docs for "userdir", you'll find what you're looking for. |
| 19:44.33 | starfishy | guerin: do you really think a belligerent drunk like you convinces anyone of anything? |
| 19:44.47 | starfishy | you seriously need to grow up and take a chill pill, dude |
| 19:44.49 | Solilo | Eulex: Ah, that'll save me some explaination down the line. lol |
| 19:44.55 | Guerin | starfishy: i'm not drunk |
| 19:45.02 | eeyore- | enough abuse, please |
| 19:45.04 | starfishy | guerin: you said you were |
| 19:45.05 | beardy | starfishy: Take you own advise. Just be quiet now. |
| 19:45.08 | zamaliphe | Eulex then what i shod use ?? :D |
| 19:45.09 | slashzul | thanks pipeline |
| 19:45.11 | eeyore- | before i have to take out a very dangerous +o ... |
| 19:45.12 | abrotman | !win me |
| 19:45.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 19:45.21 | abrotman | eeyore-: oh .. it's been a long time .. do eet! |
| 19:45.22 | pipeline | starfishy, Guerin : Dudes, it's IRC. This is the only social situation on earth in which we have a god-given RIGHT to be belligerently drunk. |
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| 19:45.39 | starfishy | pipeline: i always thought irc was a place to have fun |
| 19:45.44 | Guerin | starfishy: i just said I was to lull you into a false sense of stupidity... which appears to have worked, unless of course this isn't actually a FALSE sense. |
| 19:45.48 | pipeline | starfishy: Fun with belligerent drunks! |
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| 19:45.54 | starfishy | and having fun by insulting people is the sorriest kind of fun anyone can have |
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| 19:46.21 | Guerin | starfishy: but honestly, I'm not sure why you think I have it in for you ... i don't give a fuck ... I just object to people being wrong and stupid. |
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| 19:46.28 | pipeline | Guerin: hear, hear |
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| 19:46.36 | allanh128 | We are developing a database application and are trying to decide which os to use. We have narrowed it down to Freebsd and Debian. we need to know if we can create the database application closed source. We are not modifying the Debian source code in any way. We will only be using Debian to run the database. The client will run on windows based systems. |
| 19:46.39 | eeyore- | will remove after lunch |
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| 19:46.46 | sunrise | hi all |
| 19:46.47 | pipeline | allanh128: It's not an issue. |
| 19:46.50 | Eulex | zamaliphe, I've already told you. I'm not interested in baby-sitting you more, please RTFM (man qemu, man qemu-img, actually *read* the manual on the homepage) if you need more help. |
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| 19:47.06 | pipeline | allanh128: Even if you did modify the code, if you're not /distributing it/, that is, giving the modified code to other people, there's nothing incumbent on you, no requirements. |
| 19:47.14 | Guerin | just for the record |
| 19:47.20 | Guerin | I *AM* fucking drunk |
| 19:47.26 | sunrise | looking for an application which monitor daemons based on their pids and start the /etc/init.d/* script if they go down automaticaly (a kind of software watchdog) |
| 19:47.28 | Kovecses | where can i find a list of loadable modules? |
| 19:47.31 | pipeline | Guerin: Nobody cares. It's IRC. |
| 19:47.39 | abrotman | Guerin: i'm amazed at your dexterity .. you can screw and irc .. while drunk |
| 19:47.40 | pipeline | Kovecses: find /lib/modules/* | less |
| 19:47.44 | Guerin | tonight is my final night on the town before leaving on a 6 month road trip across asia and europe |
| 19:47.45 | Kovecses | ty pipeline |
| 19:47.55 | blondie | Guerin: not drunk enough if you can type properly |
| 19:47.58 | Guerin | and I can *still* whup a so-called unix hacker! |
| 19:48.13 | pipeline | Kovecses: Be sure to use modprobe and not insmod, though. And omit the ".ko" or ".so" in the name when you modprobe :P |
| 19:48.23 | Guerin | i just have a backspace kety |
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| 19:48.26 | abrotman | dpkg: you saved me |
| 19:48.26 | pipeline | sunrise: Heh, that exists, but I can't remember the name of the daemon :| |
| 19:48.33 | allanh128 | So we can install Debian on a server, sell the server with our code on it and we are not required to have our code open in any way? |
| 19:48.36 | evilbulgarian | hi, im running a firewall/router and want to pull stats using snmpd but wondering if that is an extra security risk is snmpd a really big exploitable service? |
| 19:48.39 | eeyore- | Guerin: wear the prophet mohammad tshirt and flirt with danger ;-) |
| 19:48.42 | pipeline | allanh128: Nope. Not in any way at all. |
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| 19:48.44 | sunrise | pipeline: oh, this whould be very helpful for me... |
| 19:48.48 | pipeline | allanh128: For the future, I might as well make this clear. |
| 19:49.03 | allanh128 | Wow. thats really cool. |
| 19:49.22 | pipeline | allanh128: Actually, you can /never/ be required to open your code |
| 19:49.29 | abrotman | wait .. it depends on the linkage for thier code? |
| 19:49.33 | Guerin | eeyore-: i know how to say "allah is the one god and mohammed is his one" in arabic - that shoudl see me through the bad stuff |
| 19:49.37 | Guerin | eh |
| 19:49.40 | pipeline | allanh128: If you DID do something that ran afoul of the license, the worst that could happen is that you would be required to stop selling the product. |
| 19:49.42 | abrotman | pipeline: right? |
| 19:49.48 | pipeline | allanh128: You can never, ever, ever be forced to open your code. |
| 19:49.50 | Guerin | is his son, I mean |
| 19:49.53 | pipeline | abrotman: They're not linking anything :P |
| 19:49.59 | abrotman | pipeline: except by the gov't |
| 19:50.07 | pipeline | allanh128: And anything that's for internal use is never an issue. |
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| 19:50.18 | abrotman | allanh128: what database? |
| 19:50.20 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, but then it's not a civil law issue any more, and the license doesn't matter :P |
| 19:50.39 | beardy | abrotman: Only if you live in a police state. |
| 19:50.41 | zamaliphe | Eulex :: sory but im learnin fast gust cant get it untill now the :# qemu-img create -b navynos-2005.01.iso -f qcow zam_iso 3000 :loks fine to me !!but cant find the kernel?? |
| 19:50.57 | pipeline | allanh128: GPL restrictions/requirements are made out to be a lot nastier than they actually are. Unless you do something that would obviously be stealing, you're not going to accidentally run afoul of them. |
| 19:51.12 | k31th | yo |
| 19:51.14 | allanh128 | Thats cool. actually the closed source code will not even be running on the debian server. Nothing on the Debian server will be modified in any way. |
| 19:51.26 | Kovecses | damn .... i remember something about loading certain modules to get hdparm and dma working on my /dev/hda .... i remember there was ice-core piix ... and another ... i loaded ide-core and piix but dma is still not working |
| 19:51.42 | pipeline | Kovecses: DMA not working is a different problem from the damn thing not working at all. |
| 19:51.45 | zamaliphe | Eulex then :#qemu -boot d -cdrom navynos-2005.01.iso ??? |
| 19:51.48 | pipeline | Kovecses: A much more complicated problem :( |
| 19:51.56 | Kovecses | pipeline: it works |
| 19:52.15 | Eulex | zamaliphe, you still don't need the -b navynos-2005.01.iso, it creates the image based on navynos-2005.01.iso. 1. you can't base a hdd image on a cd image 2. you want to create an empty image. the -b is not needed, and may screw up things. |
| 19:52.23 | Kovecses | pipeline: ive been through this before i just can remember the module i need |
| 19:52.37 | pipeline | allanh128: Heh, even if you WERE modifying it, as long as it's internal to the company, it doesn't matter. Just running stuff on a server isn't even an issue :P |
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| 19:53.06 | allanh128 | right but we are actually going to be selling this application. Sorry if I was not clear on that. |
| 19:53.07 | Eulex | zamaliphe, you'll need -hda zam_iso too |
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| 19:53.41 | Kovecses | pipeline: maybe its just becuse my cdrom is being accessed at the moment |
| 19:54.21 | Kovecses | nope |
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| 19:55.36 | pipeline | allanh128: Eh, even still. You're not actually stealing someone else's code and passing it off as your own. |
| 19:55.44 | Eulex | allanh128, well, if none of the code is going to be run on the debian server, there can't be any issue whatsoever, right? for example, there are no issues at all when getting a homepage off a debian server onto a computer running winblows and exploder. |
| 19:55.45 | Gargoyle | Greetings, I am testing some load balancing and I have 3 servers setup (under VM). Is there any speed advantage of only allowing ro access to certain nfs shares? |
| 19:55.54 | pipeline | allanh128: If the customer asks for the debian source, you are, of course, obligated to provide THAT. I doubt you have a problem giving away the source to debian :P |
| 19:56.24 | pipeline | allanh128: Open source is simple. You have to do something really stupid and/or mean to run afoul of it. Honestly. |
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| 19:56.35 | Guerin | not only stupid |
| 19:56.45 | fbtab | Guerin, enjoy your trip.. |
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| 19:56.57 | allanh128 | no not at all. I just wanted to see if our windows application that we are selling had to be open source as well, because we were running it on debian. |
| 19:56.59 | Guerin | but aggressively, maliciously, and usually commercially stupid |
| 19:57.03 | Guerin | fbtab: cheers. |
| 19:57.12 | pipeline | allanh128: Oh hell no. |
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| 19:57.27 | pipeline | allanh128: Seriously. You can't screw this up. You almost have to be going out of your way to be a bastard to run afoul of the license. |
| 19:57.53 | Eulex | Guerin, if my memory serves me, you were supposed to drop off some sarge cds in pakistan, right? :) |
| 19:57.54 | pipeline | allanh128: And, don't forget: Even if you DO release things under the GPL, you don't have to give the product away for free. You just have to give the source to actual customers who actually ask for it :P |
| 19:58.23 | Guerin | Eulex: eh... I mean, I'm *going* there, but I don't recall a commitment to drop off any sarge cds. |
| 19:59.00 | allanh128 | that is very cool indeed. thanks for the info. I have been reading about Debian and open source for awhile. Can't wait to try it out. trying to reduce licensing costs to our customers. |
| 19:59.25 | Eulex | Guerin, then I'm probably wrong. at least there was some talk about it and you offered to do it :) |
| 19:59.28 | Guerin | allanh128: bear in mind that RMS himself funded gnu for almost a decade on the sales of gnu software, licensed under a proto-gpl |
| 19:59.43 | abrotman | allanh128: what database? |
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| 19:59.57 | Guerin | Eulex: i'd be thrilled to, if only someone would remind me who I had to deliver them to. |
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| 20:00.37 | Eulex | Guerin, hehe, ok |
| 20:00.42 | abrotman | allanh128: ? |
| 20:00.56 | allanh128 | PostgreSQL |
| 20:01.09 | abrotman | allanh128: just wanted to make sure. . mysql has weird licensing |
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| 20:01.23 | allanh128 | Debian server running PostgressSQL with windows clients connecting |
| 20:01.33 | allanh128 | thats why we are avoiding it. |
| 20:01.43 | abrotman | i have yet to fully figure out the mysql crap license stuff |
| 20:01.52 | allanh128 | don't want to get ourselves or our customeers we are selling to in trouble.. |
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| 20:01.58 | themusicgod1 | Eulex: meff: abrotman: It's been an hour. looks to me like the process failed(as claimed in the logs). |
| 20:02.06 | LandWolf | hi |
| 20:02.21 | abrotman | themusicgod1: that sucks! |
| 20:02.27 | LandWolf | I have a question? How can i install a kde login manager? |
| 20:02.35 | magmava | hola |
| 20:02.43 | allanh128 | Basically the code in the os and the db will not be modified in any way. only the windows client will be closed source. |
| 20:02.43 | Eulex | LandWolf, apt-get install kdm |
| 20:02.46 | abrotman | LandWolf: |
| 20:02.50 | devazion | Eulex: Thanks for the framebuffer information before! |
| 20:02.58 | Eulex | devazion, yw :) |
| 20:03.06 | allanh128 | that's what we are selling. we will be leasing the servers. |
| 20:03.09 | LandWolf | i already made apt-get install kde-core |
| 20:03.14 | allanh128 | so I think we are ok. |
| 20:03.21 | abrotman | LandWolf: yeah .. install kdm |
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| 20:03.40 | abrotman | markybob: you missed all the fun |
| 20:03.45 | Eulex | LandWolf, I don't think kdm is included in the core. |
| 20:03.52 | markybob | abrotman, shame. what happened? |
| 20:03.56 | magmava | I need help necesit oayuda poor favor |
| 20:04.02 | LandWolf | ok ok |
| 20:04.06 | abrotman | markybob: i was right .. they were wrong! :) |
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| 20:04.15 | markybob | abrotman, oh, you mean the usual? ;) |
| 20:04.19 | Eulex | magmava, english, please. or go to the following channel: |
| 20:04.21 | Eulex | !es |
| 20:04.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:04.43 | magmava | ok gracias |
| 20:04.48 | Kovecses | pipeline: i figured the modules out |
| 20:05.04 | allanh128 | Thanks again for the help. it is greatly appreciated. |
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| 20:06.12 | pipeline | Kovecses: Congratulations. How did things turned out? |
| 20:06.26 | LandWolf | I'm sorry but i have another problem i made apt-get install synaptic |
| 20:06.50 | Kovecses | pipeline: seems i couldnt just modprobe ... ide-core and piix .. i had to add them to /etc/modules and reboot ... everything is working now |
| 20:06.52 | LandWolf | but when i lunch synaptic from the shell i have the following error |
| 20:06.54 | LandWolf | : |
| 20:07.00 | pipeline | LandWolf: be careful you don't flood... |
| 20:07.21 | Kovecses | there is a #flood channel |
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| 20:07.51 | Eulex | or he could just pastebin it |
| 20:07.53 | Eulex | !pastebin |
| 20:07.54 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or check out http://securelabs.zapto.org/~pureone/src/pastebin.c if your stuck in console only |
| 20:07.58 | Kovecses | that too |
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| 20:08.14 | Kovecses | nobody likes #flood it seems.... i love that channel |
| 20:08.27 | Guerin | bah |
| 20:08.33 | Guerin | paster > * |
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| 20:08.40 | chaedaeX | is anyone seeing this: "Can't write viminfo file $HOME/.viminfo!" ? |
| 20:08.41 | P^ | How do i compile a kernel |
| 20:08.57 | Eulex | chaedaeX, permissions? |
| 20:09.03 | LandWolf | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server......... synaptic:1980 Ctk-warning **: cannot open display |
| 20:09.04 | Kovecses | P^: too complex to tell in here |
| 20:09.05 | chaedaeX | seems to make no difference if it exists, what its permissions are, etc. |
| 20:09.10 | Eulex | P^, for what reason? |
| 20:09.26 | chaedaeX | assuming mode 755 and owned by $USER... |
| 20:09.27 | Eulex | chaedaeX, try rming it. |
| 20:09.28 | Kovecses | P^: i will explain if you want |
| 20:09.35 | P^ | Eulex, no special reason. just wnat to compile and run it thats it |
| 20:09.39 | chaedaeX | Eulex: did that too |
| 20:09.40 | P^ | Kovecses, please |
| 20:09.51 | chaedaeX | Eulex: it gives same complaint and fails to write a new one |
| 20:09.56 | Eulex | chaedaeX, hmm, what are the permissions for $HOME? |
| 20:10.05 | chaedaeX | Eulex: my $HOME is mode 755 also |
| 20:10.28 | Eulex | chaedaeX, owned by who? and what are the full permissions? |
| 20:10.37 | Kovecses | P^: shit you need to register your nick so i can PM you |
| 20:10.51 | chaedaeX | Eulex: owned by me |
| 20:10.57 | P^ | Kovecses, my nick is already registerd |
| 20:11.07 | Kovecses | P^: have you identifued |
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| 20:11.12 | chaedaeX | drwxr-xr-x = 755 |
| 20:11.13 | Kovecses | identified |
| 20:11.17 | chaedaeX | 0755 exactly |
| 20:11.27 | P^ | Kovecses, yes, i did identify |
| 20:11.35 | Kovecses | try and pm me |
| 20:12.01 | chaedaeX | Eulex: oddly, it never happened before - but not its happening on all boxes in my cluster |
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| 20:12.10 | markybob | p^ google does wonders. http://linuxgazette.net/111/krishnakumar.html |
| 20:12.34 | _unstable | What is a good program like dvd decrypter for windows for ripping a dvd, and just copying it but taking out css stuff(something very easy) |
| 20:12.55 | markybob | _unstable, dvdbackup or vobcopy |
| 20:13.02 | pipeline | _unstable: Uh, for windows? This is #debian. |
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| 20:13.06 | chaedaeX | _unstable: acidrip, dvdrip check out marillat deb archive... |
| 20:13.17 | Eulex | chaedaeX, ah, is this in some speciel setup? |
| 20:13.21 | Kovecses | acidrip is nice |
| 20:13.32 | chaedaeX | Eulex: nothing extraordinary. just a bunch of sarge servers |
| 20:13.36 | ahab234 | hello |
| 20:13.54 | ahab234 | lusers |
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| 20:14.20 | gnufan | Solved my pan problem (no Article displayed - whatever filter I chose) with "rm -rf pan", but it seems every update to sid messes up the pan configuration.... surely there should be an upgrade path each time.... It was one of the two xml files to blame, as I tried copying those across and the problem recurred. |
| 20:14.27 | momelod | hello people |
| 20:14.33 | Kovecses | hello |
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| 20:14.42 | gnufan | s/pan/.pan/ damn |
| 20:15.01 | Eulex | chaedaeX, sorry, I have no idea what the problem might be. |
| 20:15.12 | chaedaeX | Eulex: bummer :-) |
| 20:15.24 | chaedaeX | thanks though |
| 20:15.30 | momelod | im having a bit of a problem installing debian etch on a machine with multiple scsi controllers. The install goes fine, but after the first reboot i get a busybox shell after the kernel complains it cant find my root partition on /dev/sda2 |
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| 20:16.12 | momelod | i think the installer and the normal system detect my scsi controllers in different order.. |
| 20:16.25 | chaedaeX | momelod: busybox shell or grub shell? |
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| 20:16.34 | momelod | it says busybox |
| 20:16.35 | Guerin | momelod: try fucking with the root= option in grub |
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| 20:16.48 | Guerin | Notorious: you can edit the gub line with 'e' |
| 20:16.53 | Guerin | momelod: ^ |
| 20:16.53 | arsen | startkeylogger |
| 20:16.55 | chaedaeX | momelod: wow i've never seen that. is it some new feature? |
| 20:17.10 | Guerin | arsen: bash: start: no such file or drectory. |
| 20:17.13 | momelod | must be.. |
| 20:17.33 | chaedaeX | momelod: how can there be some kind of shell without / mounted? |
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| 20:17.47 | arsen | lol stupid sploit. |
| 20:17.48 | momelod | Guerin: would that line need to reflect whats in /etc/fstab |
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| 20:18.11 | momelod | chaedaeX: because the shell is loading in memory |
| 20:18.13 | chaedaeX | besides that way :-] |
| 20:18.30 | gnufan | momelod: a quick search suggests you can specify scsi driver order using "scsi=driver1:driver2" to the kernel at boot. Worth trying. |
| 20:18.47 | momelod | gnufan: ahh sounds good thanx |
| 20:18.53 | momelod | where can i find that link? |
| 20:18.55 | gnufan | momelod: still no idea what busybox is doing there.... |
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| 20:19.16 | Miesco | How do I use syntax highlighting in emacs? |
| 20:19.24 | momelod | mabey its new in etch? i got it from yesterdays daily build... |
| 20:19.31 | Guerin | momelod: it *should*, but just try likely things |
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| 20:20.14 | chaedaeX | momelod: you could also try booting with something like knoppix and seeing what order/names it uses |
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| 20:21.07 | TheZedd | Hi - i'm new to debian and I've just got sarge running on a new computer - 2.6 kernel. The problem is that there are tonnes of kernel modules that are being loaded. I can't figure out where this is being done - i've disabled hotplug and discover using update-rc.d |
| 20:21.07 | Gargoyle | whats the correct syntax for mounting nfs shares? |
| 20:21.22 | Eulex | !blacklist |
| 20:21.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 20:21.28 | Eulex | TheZedd, ^^ |
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| 20:21.55 | zamaliphe | Eulex thanks alot |
| 20:22.02 | Eulex | zamaliphe, yw :) |
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| 20:22.28 | TheZedd | dpkg, thanks will try |
| 20:22.28 | dpkg | TheZedd: no problem |
| 20:22.48 | Eulex | dpkg, who are you? |
| 20:22.49 | dpkg | I'm a chimp! |
| 20:22.52 | Eulex | umh |
| 20:22.58 | momelod | im gunna try specifing the order, brb |
| 20:23.09 | Eulex | someone crippled that fact |
| 20:23.11 | Eulex | !bot |
| 20:23.11 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 20:24.11 | ahab234 | hi, I'm trying to get a Silicon Integrated Systems sound card working under alsa, anyone know how I can figure out what kernel modules to load? |
| 20:24.48 | ahab234 | I've got alsa-base, utils, oss, but I can't find the driver anywhere |
| 20:25.04 | len_ | ahab234: use Knoppix to find out :) |
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| 20:25.12 | ahab234 | it's a 2.6.15 kernel, testing |
| 20:25.19 | chaedaeX | ahab234: did you run alsaconfig? (or is it alsaconf?) |
| 20:25.32 | ahab234 | does alsaconfig detect the card? |
| 20:25.33 | Kovecses | alsaconf |
| 20:25.33 | TheZedd | the funny thing is that "duplicates" are being loaded: pdc202xx_new, pdc202xx_old, cs5520, cs5530 etc. weird. |
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| 20:26.10 | Gargoyle | What does this mean? mount: RPC: Program not registered? |
| 20:26.36 | Eulex | Gargoyle, when doing what? |
| 20:26.47 | Gargoyle | trying to mount NFS share |
| 20:27.10 | ahab234 | ok, alsaconf works, why didn't I know about that already? never mind... |
| 20:27.41 | zamaliphe | how to add cdrom to grub boot menu?? |
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| 20:29.45 | zamaliphe | #flood i have tray : title cdrome |
| 20:29.45 | zamaliphe | root (hd1) |
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| 20:29.45 | zamaliphe | chainloader (hd1) +1 :but it is wrong?? what to do |
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| 20:30.47 | Gargoyle | ahh, its OK. server was not running properly. (only portmapper was up) |
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| 20:32.10 | zamaliphe | what to do to add cdrom to grub boot menu??? |
| 20:32.37 | Eulex | zamaliphe, why not just configure the bios to boot off cd? |
| 20:32.59 | markybob | zamaliphe, can you please use google next time? http://www.911cd.net/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t15330.html |
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| 20:34.09 | k31th | guys, i have apache isntalled... i need to run php applications from my web server what do i need to install ? atm i only have libapache-mod-php4 installed |
| 20:34.14 | TheZedd | dpkg, I've blacklisted a few modules in both discover.conf and hotplug/blacklist. they still show up. Even with discover and hotplug off, they are being loaded. Where else are modules loaded? |
| 20:34.16 | dpkg | TheZedd: what are you talking about? |
| 20:34.23 | zamaliphe | markybob i think i have do the worng serch in it?? |
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| 20:34.35 | zamaliphe | markybob thanks |
| 20:34.36 | markybob | TheZedd, dpkg is a bot. |
| 20:34.44 | TheZedd | OH |
| 20:35.02 | Eulex | TheZedd, checked /etc/modules? |
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| 20:35.28 | zamaliphe | Eulex case i need to use grub hide and unhide etc.. |
| 20:35.36 | markybob | k31th, that's all you need. make sure the module is being called in apache config |
| 20:35.36 | TheZedd | none of the offending modules are in /etc/modules |
| 20:35.58 | momelod | okay so that scsi=driver1:driver2 doesnt work. I made a mistake when i said i had multiple controllers, i thought i did, but actually its only one controller but with 3 scsi devices. How do i tell grub which scsi device should be mapped to /dev/sda |
| 20:36.00 | k31th | ah ok thanks |
| 20:36.01 | Eulex | TheZedd, what kind of modules are they? |
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| 20:36.24 | Eulex | zamaliphe, "hide and unhide"? |
| 20:36.42 | TheZedd | pdc202xx_new, pdc202xx_old, cs5520, cs5530, rz1000, sc1200, etc. |
| 20:36.45 | TheZedd | lots of them |
| 20:37.10 | flawd | Im on testing. I get the same error when I try to apt-get install xine-ui or kaffeine (translated from swedish) : "the package is not avaliable but another package is pointing towards it" "E: package X has no installationcandidate" |
| 20:37.23 | Eulex | k31th, you may need to a2enmod php4 |
| 20:38.06 | Eulex | flawd, that's right, neither is in testing atm. |
| 20:38.11 | zamaliphe | Eulex yes and i think it will be beter to have the chois in my hand beter than left it to bios!!! |
| 20:38.18 | markybob | Eulex, no. libapache-mod-php4 already depends on php4-common and a2enmod has nothing to do with running normal php code in apache |
| 20:38.32 | k31th | Eulex: i have the module in my apache modules.conf |
| 20:38.38 | Eulex | TheZedd, ah, alsa stuff |
| 20:38.46 | k31th | yet i cant view / use php files on my webserver |
| 20:38.49 | flawd | Eulex, ok |
| 20:39.08 | k31th | Eulex: wat is a2enmod ? |
| 20:39.20 | markybob | k31th, dont worry about it. you're using which apache version? |
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| 20:39.38 | gnufan | k31th: a2enmod is for enabling modules in Apache2 |
| 20:40.00 | gnufan | k31th: there is an article on debian-administration.org explains it and related tools |
| 20:40.14 | Eulex | zamaliphe, maybe. read the thread whoever-it-was told you about. |
| 20:40.29 | Gargoyle | It's so nice using this distro... the last 5 servers I setup were gentoo! |
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| 20:41.35 | gnufan | momelod: I thought it did them in adapter order |
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| 20:41.56 | zamaliphe | Eulex thanks im reading it i gust answer youar qoustion |
| 20:41.59 | TheZedd | Eulex, what other mechanism is debian using to load these modules? (i've got 10-15 of them that I don't want autoloaded at boot) |
| 20:42.13 | Miesco | How do I find out what packages for emacs I have installed? |
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| 20:42.38 | markybob | Miesco, dpkg -l '*emacs*' |grep ii |
| 20:42.41 | vin` | TheZedd: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 20:43.22 | Eulex | TheZedd, sorry, I don't know. |
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| 20:44.03 | voided | hi! whats a good way to make custom installs of deb (like using kickstart with rhel) (cd installs and not remote) |
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| 20:44.26 | markybob | !fai |
| 20:44.27 | dpkg | well, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 20:44.39 | Miesco | markybob: How do I use the thoughs packages? |
| 20:44.49 | voided | yep i was looking at that =] i guess ill try it out thanks |
| 20:45.06 | markybob | Miesco, i'm not sure what it is that you just said. |
| 20:45.31 | Miesco | markybob: How would I use emacs-chess |
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| 20:46.17 | markybob | Miesco, i stay as far away from emacs as possible. you're on your own with that one |
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| 20:46.26 | tuv | gdesklets takes up too much memory (virtual), any solutions or similar experiences? |
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| 20:46.56 | ViViD | sid has a missing package of libopenh323-1.18.0 and its required to install gnome, does anyone know where i can get this package?? |
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| 20:47.00 | k31th | markybob: apache2 gnufan i did that and it is still not working correctly with php files... it just tries to download them |
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| 20:47.26 | markybob | k31th, then you need the apache 2 version of the module. you installed apache 1 version |
| 20:47.32 | markybob | k31th, libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 20:48.49 | Miesco | markybob: Yea I am a vim person too, but I just started using emacs |
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| 20:48.54 | gnufan | ViViD: wait a day or two possibly..... or force the install I doubt openh323 is required - it is a videoconferencing standard |
| 20:49.25 | ViViD | yea, its there a gnome-desktop-core packages or something that doesnt auto install gnomemeeting? |
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| 20:50.22 | strider_ | ViViD: gnome-core |
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| 20:50.31 | Kovecses | anyone know if and when there will be a linux version of the new americas army |
| 20:50.43 | SlayerXP | Kovecses: yes, someone knows. |
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| 20:51.07 | Kovecses | SlayerXP: well if you dont stfu |
| 20:51.22 | strider_ | isn't there already one? |
| 20:51.26 | Kovecses | no |
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| 20:51.30 | SlayerXP | Kovecses: you can't make me. *thptptptpt* *taunt* |
| 20:51.32 | Kovecses | the new version is 2.6 |
| 20:51.33 | markybob | ViViD, which package is requiring libopenh323-1.18.0? |
| 20:51.44 | gnufan | markybob: gnome-meeting of course |
| 20:52.03 | Kovecses | !kill |
| 20:52.10 | gnufan | markybob: It says depends on a version in experimental -- whoops. |
| 20:52.58 | markybob | gnomemeeting in sid shows as needing libopenh323-1.15.6 (>= 1.15.6) , which is in sid, not 1.18.0 |
| 20:53.29 | gnufan | ViViD: I guess you could take libopenh323 from experimental.... should be easy enough |
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| 20:54.30 | markybob | ViViD, where'd you get gnomemeeting that requires 1.18.0? sid requires >=1.15.6 |
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| 20:56.22 | ViViD | markybob: apparently sid now requires libopenh323-1.18.0 >=1.17.4 |
| 20:56.41 | strider_ | markybob: it requires 1.18 here |
| 20:56.44 | Kovecses | thats why i dont like using sid |
| 20:56.47 | Kovecses | breaks too much |
| 20:56.50 | avar | is there any howto on rolling your own .deb packages? |
| 20:56.55 | ronove | how do I mount /dev/sdb to /media/usb without knowing which filesystem is on it? |
| 20:57.10 | avar | mount /dev/sdb /media/usb |
| 20:57.19 | Kovecses | or |
| 20:57.24 | strider_ | ViViD: get it from experimental or try using aptitude to install gnome |
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| 20:57.34 | dli | is packages.debian.org compromised again? |
| 20:57.36 | Kovecses | mount auto /dev/sdb /media/usb |
| 20:57.46 | ViViD | whats the source for experimental? |
| 20:57.47 | markybob | avar, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 20:58.07 | ronove | avar: checkinfo will do the trick.. apt-get it, ./configure the package, make and then check some howto's on how to use checkinfo |
| 20:58.16 | JerJer | i cannot seem to find a package for the xorg source - can some one point me in the right direction? |
| 20:58.17 | strider_ | !tell dli about pdo |
| 20:58.19 | Gargoyle | Can I simlink to a nfs share without problems? |
| 20:58.36 | Kovecses | JerJer: X.org |
| 20:58.53 | JerJer | Kovecses: ok there isn't a debian package for this? thanks |
| 20:59.04 | Kovecses | JerJer: oh.... umm not sure |
| 20:59.11 | gnufan | markybob: weird I have two "apt-cache show gnomemeeting" one showing 1.15 and one 1.18 in my scroll buffer |
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| 20:59.13 | strider_ | ViViD: use apt-get -t experimental install packagename |
| 20:59.30 | markybob | gnufan, yeah. not too sure what's going on with that :) |
| 20:59.52 | gnufan | markybob: guess that is why it is called unstable. |
| 21:00.08 | ViViD | strider_: libopenh323-1.18.0 isnt there |
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| 21:01.31 | ViViD | installing gnome-core works though |
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| 21:01.50 | setog3 | Hi , how to limit the max cpu for a process ? |
| 21:02.16 | strider_ | ViViD: it must not be in experimental then |
| 21:02.27 | bcc_ | hi guys, does anyone know why a print might pause after each page while printing a long document using cups? |
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| 21:03.15 | darkcmd | does anyone know where apache places its log files |
| 21:03.34 | gnufan | ViViD: I think my apticron job ran and got a later SID version -- try "apt-get update" and if still 1.18, try maybe the UK mirror? |
| 21:03.49 | gnufan | darkcmd: /var/log/apache[2] |
| 21:03.50 | beardy | bcc_: Pause for how long? Are you sure that's not just the way your printer does it? |
| 21:04.07 | darkcmd | so... /var/log/apache1 if I'm running apache1 |
| 21:04.26 | bcc_ | beardy: like as if it were to start a new job. no, under windows it prints one page right after another. |
| 21:04.28 | gnufan | darkcmd: I think maybe /var/log/apache for 1 -- but 1 is ancient stuff |
| 21:04.38 | beardy | darkcmd: No, only apache, without the 1 |
| 21:04.38 | darkcmd | most people use 1 |
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| 21:04.57 | gnufan | darkcmd: possibly - doesn't mean they are right though ;) |
| 21:05.10 | bcc_ | wtf, is with experts-exchage. it seems that any question i search for -- they have an answer. has anybody tried signing up with them? is it worth it? |
| 21:05.10 | darkcmd | i've heard a lot of bad things about apache2 |
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| 21:06.03 | akira_ | my machine isn't looking to /etc/hosts before it goes out to dns, anybody know how to fix this? |
| 21:06.09 | gnufan | darkcmd: Nick here give me a hard time for running 2.0, when 2.3 is current in the Apache world. Apache 2 is rock solid -- don't know what people whinge about. Some mutterings about PHP and threading, but the Debian packages insist on a forking not threaded model if you install PHP anyway..... |
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| 21:06.52 | gnufan | akira_: vi /etc/nsswitch.conf but are you sure? |
| 21:07.18 | akira_ | and when i do remove my named servers from /etc/resolv.conf, entries in the /etc/hosts file don't resolve |
| 21:07.27 | akira_ | gnufan, yea, nsswitch.conf is setup right |
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| 21:07.41 | gnufan | darkcmd: Apache 2 is ancient by software standards -- but good enough for Debian stable.... |
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| 21:07.57 | kreg | !topic |
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| 21:08.22 | kreg | is the GPG thing in the topic still? i'm stuck in text mode. |
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| 21:08.32 | gnufan | akira_: sounds like /etc/hosts is toast to me... |
| 21:08.36 | kreg | i mean. i'm "pleasantly" in text mode |
| 21:08.45 | Chase | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:09.02 | gnufan | kreg: is you mean the 2006 key for apt - yes |
| 21:09.10 | Kovecses | !dpkg 2006 key |
| 21:09.10 | dpkg | it has been said that 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 21:09.16 | darkcmd | I plan on running a webserver for my computer |
| 21:09.19 | darkcmd | my desktop machine |
| 21:09.28 | darkcmd | just for my personal homepage |
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| 21:09.41 | pokute_ | Is a SDL maintainer present here? |
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| 21:10.56 | gnufan | Chase: libc6-dev for stdlib.h -- but do an "apt-get build-dep <package>" for a package like the one you are compiling is my advice |
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| 21:11.41 | CosmoDad | hi, can anyone explain me how include/linux/version.h is set in a kernel source subdirectory? I've downloaded an old 2.6.11 kernel which I'd like to use, but the kernel version setting seems to be wrong in the header file |
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| 21:12.10 | CosmoDad | old as in: debian package from snapshot |
| 21:12.23 | Chase | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.26 | kreg | gnufan thank you |
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| 21:12.29 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: make a symbolic link to the headers |
| 21:12.30 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 21:12.34 | gnufan | CosmoDad: you building in /usr/src by any chance? |
| 21:12.38 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: thats what i did and it works |
| 21:12.46 | Fox_1_ | which pop3 server is better for debian3.1??? |
| 21:12.52 | Kovecses | gmail |
| 21:12.53 | kreg | gnufan i really have no idea what that is. i tried finding it on debian.org's site. can you tell me where i can readup on what the heck it is? |
| 21:13.01 | Kovecses | nm |
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| 21:13.22 | CosmoDad | gnufan: I'm trying to build the acx100-source using /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 21:13.25 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: if you look the Source file is a broken link |
| 21:13.30 | gnufan | Chase: I mean find a package that has similar dependencies, requirements, and get the build-deps for that -- should get all the basic tools you need using apts usual magic |
| 21:13.50 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: I only have the sources and I need them |
| 21:13.50 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: just fix the link and your golden |
| 21:14.08 | gnufan | CosmoDad: I built them once - they didn't work very well - the PCI card is in my intray here... :( |
| 21:14.21 | bcc_ | what's the difference between lp and lpr? |
| 21:14.28 | CosmoDad | gnufan: which version of the driver did you try? |
| 21:14.32 | Fox_1_ | Kovecses: gmail??? |
| 21:14.34 | Chase | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.39 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: no... no |
| 21:14.45 | Fox_1_ | Kovecses: i didn't find it in debian packages. |
| 21:14.51 | vin` | CosmoDad: m-a a-i acx100-source? |
| 21:14.55 | Kovecses | Fox_1_: i misunderstood you |
| 21:15.16 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: ? |
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| 21:15.43 | Fox_1_ | Kovecses: i couldn't find gmail package in debian |
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| 21:15.46 | gnufan | CosmoDad: it was probably quite old - I think I removed it last week after it had spent months aging in my home directory.... they have probably cracked it by now (vin m-a is module-assistant !). |
| 21:16.07 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: the link is broken between your kernel and headers it is the source file that has the broken link. not the source file you are trying to compile... make a new symbolic link |
| 21:16.12 | CosmoDad | vin`: I used m-a with -k which should work I believe... |
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| 21:16.29 | gnufan | Chase: I'm surprised you only needed that - as almost everything needed it.... |
| 21:16.31 | Kovecses | Fox_1_: are you looking for a pop3 email server for like personal email? |
| 21:16.34 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: you mean in /lib/modules/2.6.11-1-386 right? doing that now |
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| 21:16.44 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: yes |
| 21:17.01 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: link it to /usr/src/whateverheaders |
| 21:17.14 | Fox_1_ | Kovecses: yes, for my clients. |
| 21:17.16 | gnufan | CosmoDad: I also came unstuck with m-a -- you need to use the same GCC as you see in /proc/version -- can be an issue with etch/sid |
| 21:17.29 | dj-smilee | how come NFS root stuff was taken out of sarge? |
| 21:17.30 | Fox_1_ | Kovecses: for my website |
| 21:17.33 | Kovecses | Fox_1_: so you want to set up an email server |
| 21:18.04 | Fox_1_ | Kovecses: i have setup exim as smtp server. now i need pop3 server. |
| 21:18.25 | Kovecses | Fox_1_: umm let me think |
| 21:18.26 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: still don't get it... is building from the sources instead of the headers not possible? |
| 21:18.32 | markybob | Fox_1_, courier-pop |
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| 21:18.53 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: what? |
| 21:19.16 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: you said "whateverheaders", I'd like to use "whateversources" |
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| 21:19.30 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: so you built your kernel from source? |
| 21:19.40 | Fox_1_ | markybob: is it easy to configure? |
| 21:19.51 | markybob | Fox_1_, yes. |
| 21:19.55 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: I'm build the acx100 driver and need kernel sources for that |
| 21:20.01 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 21:20.04 | Fox_1_ | ok, thanks |
| 21:20.14 | gnufan | CosmoDad: I had 0.2.0pre8plus_fixes_52 -- with a sitecom card -- it was stable (didn't crash the SMP kernel like earlier versions, but it didn't drive the sitecom card reliably). |
| 21:20.15 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: sorry thought you followed when I talked to gnufan |
| 21:20.21 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: no you just need the kernel headers |
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| 21:20.33 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: but you need to fix the LINLK |
| 21:21.37 | Kovecses | LINK |
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| 21:21.40 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: at the moment, I only have the sources, and getting the headers will be tedious |
| 21:21.44 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: that's why I'm asking you whether building against the sources instead of headers will be fine as well |
| 21:21.45 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: i thought you got this kernel from debian apt repos |
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| 21:21.47 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: from snapshot repos, which took like an hour |
| 21:21.48 | werw | How can I detect if there is an SMTP server running? |
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| 21:22.03 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: don't wanna spend another hour to get the headers if sources work too |
| 21:22.03 | streuner | werw: telnet yourserver 25 |
| 21:22.05 | gnufan | werw: netstat -an and look for port 25 listeners |
| 21:22.12 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: well the sources will work... what is the error messege |
| 21:22.16 | wpostma | i have two ppp connections, which each need different options, i can't put both options into /etc/ppp/options, and it is ignoring my /etc/ppp/options.ttyXYZ file. How do I figure out what filename extension (.ttyXYZ) should go onto /etc/ppp/options? |
| 21:22.20 | CosmoDad | gnufan: that's a way old version, I've been writing on the acx100 mailinglist recently and they recommend up-to-date drivers by now |
| 21:22.38 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: there's no error, the problem is that the resulting driver is built against 2.6.11 |
| 21:22.42 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: I need 2.6.11-1-386, however |
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| 21:22.55 | gnufan | CosmoDad: Not surprised -- I also needed some binary blobs as firmware updates for the driver to load -- hmm vrms may not be proud. |
| 21:23.22 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: I checked /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11/include/linux/version.h which says "2.6.11" so I wonder how this version tag gets created |
| 21:23.26 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: I thought you were building this driver yourself |
| 21:23.33 | werw | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
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| 21:23.44 | werw | Is this Ok, not? |
| 21:23.45 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: I do |
| 21:24.00 | werw | but i can't telnet |
| 21:24.00 | broomy | whats the name of that program that makes cool ascii art out of an imput? |
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| 21:24.13 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: but I can't get the driver to use the right version tag, even while I'm running this very version 2.6.11-1-386 |
| 21:24.35 | gnufan | werw: that is listening on 127.0.0.1 -- typical of a configuration not intended to receive email from the net, but useful so programs can either send email, or report trouble to local users (i.e. root). |
| 21:24.43 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: I suspect it extracts the version from the version.h header which is apparantly erroneous (missing -1-386) |
| 21:25.01 | gnufan | broomy: that is the acsii art library probably |
| 21:25.29 | flawd | I am setting subtitles.separate.subtitle_size: huge in my totem config and yet the subtitle is small. any ideas? |
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| 21:25.36 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: i just dont understand.... it seems like you are making this much harder on yourself than it has to be. Why would such an up to date driver use such an old kernel... this driver is not implemented into newer kernels |
| 21:25.41 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: ? |
| 21:25.48 | beardy | broomy: figlet ? |
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| 21:26.16 | wpostma | does PPPOE on ethernet create a PTY and if so, what is the PTY name? |
| 21:26.18 | beardy | broomy: see also banner, and cowsay |
| 21:26.44 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: I downloaded this kernel since I know there're problems with anything higher than 2.6.14, and debian unstable seems to come with 2.6.15 |
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| 21:26.53 | _unstable | How can I see how big my dvd movie is, without mounting it? |
| 21:26.55 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: if you can tell me how to do it more easily, I'm happy to hear |
| 21:26.59 | _unstable | du -hs /dev/hdc doesn't work. |
| 21:27.03 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: I fixed the link, yet it's not working |
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| 21:27.22 | wols | CosmoDad: vresion.h is missing cause you didn't make your kernel |
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| 21:27.37 | wols | or rather: config it |
| 21:27.39 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: well .... i would for one... compile a kernel yourself... or get the 2.6.11 kernels and headers from the apt-repos |
| 21:27.53 | CosmoDad | wols: it's not missing here but it contains "2.6.11" and I wonder if it should rather be 2.6.11-1-386 (the version of my running kernel) |
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| 21:28.08 | gnufan | _unstable: why not mount it? |
| 21:28.16 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: I have a 2.6.11 installed and running |
| 21:28.31 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: your just no getting it |
| 21:28.54 | broomy | beardy, thanks |
| 21:28.56 | _unstable | gnufan: I don't have permissions to mount, but I can use/view /dev/hdc fine.. like mplayer dvd:// -fs -slang en -dvd-device /dev/hdc works fine |
| 21:29.09 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: why would a package your compiling need a specific kernel? |
| 21:29.11 | _unstable | gnufan: I am a non-root user. |
| 21:29.41 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: because this is a kernel driver? |
| 21:29.54 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: what is the driver? |
| 21:30.04 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: and this driver needs at least 2.6.10 and has bugs with 2.6.14 and above |
| 21:30.10 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: told ya, acx100 |
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| 21:30.49 | alfadir | hi, mount problems, 4 mounts does not seem to mount properly, still they are there, some parts read only. root partition is properly mounted. ideas? |
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| 21:31.27 | alfadir | mount -a sais /dev/hda6 already mounted or /tmp busy |
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| 21:31.33 | Gargoyle | woo hoo. Load balanced web servers :) |
| 21:31.37 | markybob | CosmoDad, why not do this? apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i acx100 |
| 21:31.55 | CosmoDad | markybob: I did, numerous times |
| 21:31.56 | gnufan | _unstable: not sure maybe "/sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hdc" shows partition size -- not sure if this varies with DVDs |
| 21:32.02 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: did you try the updated versions of that driver ... my googling shows that all you need is the updated version of the driver |
| 21:32.35 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: I want to use the unstable package unless absolutely impossible |
| 21:32.38 | lepton | alfadir: is hda6 already mounted? |
| 21:32.39 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: to run on newer kernels |
| 21:32.48 | k31th | guys, my browser reports that im lacking ldap support in php... I have the module enabled |
| 21:32.54 | gnufan | _unstable: failing that become root anyway ;) |
| 21:32.59 | Kovecses | CosmoDad: i dont think it is unstable is it? |
| 21:33.04 | wols | k31th: have you restarted apache? |
| 21:33.06 | alfadir | lepton: yes and visible.. |
| 21:33.07 | k31th | and php is in my mondules section of my apache conf |
| 21:33.10 | k31th | wols: yes |
| 21:33.18 | alfadir | lepton: can use it but not in mtab etc |
| 21:33.27 | alfadir | lepton: something is fishy :) |
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| 21:34.36 | alfadir | lepton: if i do df /tmp I get filesystem - but the sizes and avail etc is correct |
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| 21:34.45 | lepton | alfadir: you can view files, but 'mount -l' does not show the partition? |
| 21:34.53 | CosmoDad | Kovecses: I mean from debian unstable rep |
| 21:35.02 | alfadir | lepton: correct |
| 21:35.30 | lepton | alfadir: have you rebooted recently? |
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| 21:35.44 | d00f | hi |
| 21:35.51 | kreg | why, when i install "x-window-system" it wants to also install things like cpp ? |
| 21:36.00 | alfadir | lepton: have been like this for some days.. many reboots, thinking knoppix filesytem check |
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| 21:36.20 | d00f | how can i make "apt-get dist-upgrade " ignore package ? |
| 21:36.34 | Eulex | d00f, hold it. |
| 21:36.34 | lepton | alfadir: somehow your mtab is getting messed with |
| 21:36.36 | Eulex | !hold |
| 21:36.36 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 21:36.54 | Gargoyle | Should I think about writing scripts to copy files (websites) from the nfs share to the local machine, or will nfs never really be a bottleneck unless I have 100's of servers in my cluster? |
| 21:37.16 | Eulex | !smite ff and OOo for not following the gtk2 theme correctly |
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| 21:37.48 | abrotman | Eulex: duh? |
| 21:38.13 | Gargoyle | Eulex: You should have the simte "thing" before the names... |
| 21:38.15 | gnufan | !smite eulex for not using Galeon |
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| 21:38.37 | alfadir | lepton: hmm yes.. that shows what mount -l does.. who writes it ? on boot or is it just corrupted and i have to recreate ? |
| 21:38.37 | d00f | Eulex: and how can i do if want disable explicit command ? apt-get install p<g |
| 21:38.45 | Eulex | gnufan, hehe :) |
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| 21:39.23 | Eulex | d00f, to not make it upgrade when you do so? I don't know. holding might prevent it |
| 21:39.26 | gnufan | Eulex: I use FF and just don't complain - what the heck the price was good - and the web-developer plugin is fantastic |
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| 21:39.37 | abrotman | gnufan: editCSS? |
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| 21:40.34 | Eulex | abrotman, well, you usually can't notice it, but if you select a dark gtk2 theme or so all menus begin in ff and ooo begin to look horrible. |
| 21:40.43 | abrotman | Eulex: eep .. i'm sure |
| 21:40.50 | abrotman | Eulex: solution .. don't use OO .. |
| 21:40.57 | gnufan | abrotman: if that is another plugin for ff -- I don't think I've tried it.... but I think it does a similar thing to one of the web-developer options |
| 21:41.07 | pipeline | Eulex: That's because FF and OOO don't use GTK directly, but rather attempt to mock GTK with their own rendering engines. |
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| 21:41.19 | pipeline | Eulex: The FF thing, at least, is easy to solve: use galeon or epiphany :P |
| 21:41.22 | gentoo-new | hi |
| 21:41.26 | markybob | abrotman, pretty sure this is what he meant http://chrispederick.com/work/webdeveloper/ |
| 21:41.29 | d00f | i want to prevent a user to install gcc package |
| 21:41.33 | abrotman | gnufan: i'm not a plugin person .. but if you're a web developer .. it's a *must have* |
| 21:41.50 | linux-newbies | hiya |
| 21:41.55 | abrotman | markybob: oh .. it looks to include editcss |
| 21:42.06 | linux-newbies | is there any debian for 64 bit amd? |
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| 21:42.08 | abrotman | gnufan: markybob: http://editcss.mozdev.org/ |
| 21:42.10 | beardy | d00f: Tell him, and take away his shell if he doesn't do what you say. |
| 21:42.14 | abrotman | !tell linux-newbies about amd64 |
| 21:42.34 | ronove | What's a good flash decompiler? |
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| 21:42.41 | Eulex | pipeline, I haven't found another gtk2 browser I like. particularly the feature in ff to make tabs smaller when they don't fit horizontally anymore. in galeon or epiphany you get those funky scroll buttons for the tabs instead. |
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| 21:43.31 | gnufan | markybob: I meant "apt-get install firefox-webdeveloper" which is probably the same thing, but easier to install and keep upto date ;) Well for me anyway -- some poor DD is tearing his hair out somewhere.... |
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| 21:43.48 | markybob | gnufan, i see :) |
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| 21:44.33 | Gargoyle | isn't there an apache directive I can add to get the serve to tag a file onto the end of every document it serves? |
| 21:46.34 | De_Mon | DD? |
| 21:47.36 | markybob | De_Mon, debian developer |
| 21:47.39 | abrotman | gnufan: maybe it's markybob :) |
| 21:47.42 | abrotman | !dd |
| 21:47.43 | dpkg | from memory, dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 21:47.51 | abrotman | bah .. stupid bot knows too much for his own good |
| 21:48.18 | markybob | abrotman, my name's mark pinto, not michael spang :) |
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| 21:49.30 | De_Mon | nod |
| 21:49.35 | Thanatermesis | where is the new "xlibs-dev" on ETCH ? (xorg 6.9) |
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| 21:50.02 | pipeline | Eulex: Heh, in galeon, I put the tabs in a list on the left :P |
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| 21:50.18 | King_Brad | is there anyway to mount 2 drives in 1 folder? kinda like merge 2 hdd's into 1 hdd |
| 21:50.19 | abrotman | markybob: you were named after a car? |
| 21:50.25 | pipeline | Eulex: it's important to remember that firefox isn't a GTK2 browser :P |
| 21:50.28 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: gone .. gone .. thank goodness gone |
| 21:50.39 | pipeline | King_Brad: I think there was a prototype of unionfs in linux. I don't think it works well. |
| 21:50.44 | abrotman | !unionfs |
| 21:50.48 | markybob | abrotman, the horse, actually. the car came later ;) |
| 21:50.53 | abrotman | bah .. i thought eeyore- put it in there |
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| 21:50.58 | abrotman | !fuse |
| 21:51.04 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 21:51.05 | King_Brad | so, no there really is'nt a way todo it |
| 21:51.15 | Eulex | pipeline, umh, how do you configure it to do that? |
| 21:51.20 | pipeline | King_Brad: There might be, if you fool around enough. |
| 21:51.26 | abrotman | markybob: i'd tell everyone that too |
| 21:51.26 | pipeline | Eulex: configure what to do what? |
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| 21:51.31 | markybob | heh |
| 21:51.41 | kreg | ok so where does "etch" hide the ls color options this time? |
| 21:51.43 | pipeline | King_Brad: Easier to just use LVM. |
| 21:51.44 | King_Brad | hehe pipeline with the amount of pain im in, i want to get it done aqap |
| 21:51.46 | King_Brad | :) |
| 21:51.49 | pipeline | kreg: setenv TERM xterm-color ? :P |
| 21:51.50 | cwood | Here's an interesting note, updating from earlier. Under 2.4, I don't get abominable, uncontrollable beeps from my PC speaker. Under 2.6, I do. I wonder what might have changed to bring this about. |
| 21:51.51 | Eulex | pipeline, to make galeon put the tabs to the left |
| 21:51.57 | abrotman | echo $LS_COLORS ? |
| 21:51.58 | kreg | better yet, why are bash colors not on by "default". this should be standard by now. |
| 21:52.09 | abrotman | huh? |
| 21:52.11 | angeldodger | Having lots of problems getting atmel driver working. It's installed and working but 'can't find firmware file... |
| 21:52.16 | pipeline | Eulex: Oh. Galeon 1.9 / 2.x omits the menu option. You have to go into the gconf db and set it. |
| 21:52.17 | hyperstream | how can i get my 5.1 surrond sound working in xmms? |
| 21:52.17 | gnufan | King_Brad: why? |
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| 21:52.19 | abrotman | color ls works in etch for me |
| 21:52.19 | hyperstream | or in debian |
| 21:52.20 | hyperstream | period |
| 21:52.27 | King_Brad | gnufan why what? |
| 21:52.27 | pipeline | hyperstream: Only some cards work. |
| 21:52.31 | pipeline | hyperstream: What soundcard do you have? |
| 21:52.34 | Eulex | pipeline, oh :/ |
| 21:52.38 | cwood | Some of us don't like bash colours. |
| 21:52.42 | hyperstream | onboard nforce (nvidia) |
| 21:52.43 | kreg | abrotman fresh install of etch. ls does not show colors |
| 21:52.50 | kreg | haven't manually configure it as usual |
| 21:52.57 | King_Brad | k |
| 21:52.58 | gnufan | King_Brad: why union of two filesystems? the idea sends shivers down my spine |
| 21:52.58 | kreg | have to manually configure it as usual |
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| 21:53.08 | abrotman | kreg: are you ssh'ed in? |
| 21:53.11 | kreg | how can you hate the convienence of colors? |
| 21:53.12 | King_Brad | hehe gnufan, because i just like things cleaner, |
| 21:53.13 | kreg | no |
| 21:53.16 | hyperstream | pipeline, any idea's? |
| 21:53.23 | abrotman | kreg: are you root? |
| 21:53.26 | King_Brad | instead of having 10 drives and 10 folders, i'd rather have 10 drives with 1 folder |
| 21:53.37 | kreg | dir's are blue. scripts are green. these are pretty common place in many nix's now days |
| 21:53.40 | pipeline | hyperstream: Ideas about what? |
| 21:53.40 | wols | hyperstream: i810 driver from alsa |
| 21:53.43 | kreg | abrotman yes sire |
| 21:53.49 | abrotman | kreg: why are you logged in as root? |
| 21:53.51 | hyperstream | hmm |
| 21:53.56 | King_Brad | k |
| 21:53.57 | cwood | Yup, pretty commonplace. Fortunately, it's a simple bashism to turn them off in one's .bashrc. |
| 21:53.59 | King_Brad | ill bbl |
| 21:54.00 | King_Brad | thx |
| 21:54.00 | kreg | abrotman because i'm editing things on my system. |
| 21:54.00 | hyperstream | hmm |
| 21:54.04 | angeldodger | Sorry. Sent message too early! Having trouble with Atmel driver. It loads but then "Can't find firmware". Also, I appear to have "no such interface" as wlan0 and am trying to find what is responsible for registering that interface. The driver? Any help appreciated. |
| 21:54.05 | pipeline | hyperstream: Oh, nvidia on-board 5.1? I wouldn't expect to ever get it working because nvidia are a pack of bastards. |
| 21:54.09 | hyperstream | how do i tell if im using alsa or oss? |
| 21:54.13 | abrotman | kreg: did you su or su - ? |
| 21:54.17 | kreg | su - |
| 21:54.17 | gnufan | King_Brad: oh that is LVM not unionfs - LVM easy |
| 21:54.32 | abrotman | kreg: and is there an alias for ls in root's .bashrc or .bash_profile ? |
| 21:54.34 | King_Brad | LVM ? |
| 21:54.45 | pipeline | angeldodger: "Can't find firmware" means that you have a card that requires firmware to be loaded from the host when you init the card, but you have not provided the firmware :\ |
| 21:54.54 | pipeline | King_Brad: lvm lets you concatenate two drives and make them one logical volume. |
| 21:54.54 | kreg | abrotman i'm not trying to edit it for root. i'm trying to set it up for all users |
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| 21:54.58 | hyperstream | ? |
| 21:55.05 | King_Brad | pipeline thats what im wanting |
| 21:55.07 | abrotman | kreg: it is setup for all users .. or rather should be unless you mucked with it :) |
| 21:55.09 | pipeline | King_Brad: But you have to do that when you set up the filesystem. |
| 21:55.11 | King_Brad | where can i find documentation? |
| 21:55.12 | gnufan | !tell King_Brad about lvm |
| 21:55.15 | King_Brad | oh |
| 21:55.19 | kreg | abrotman nope. fresh install of etch from the next disc. |
| 21:55.24 | abrotman | kreg: only root doesn't have it |
| 21:55.25 | pipeline | King_Brad: If the blank drive is larger than the not-blank one, you could set up a fresh filesystem on the blank one, then extend it after you copy the data over... |
| 21:55.25 | kreg | net disc |
| 21:55.45 | King_Brad | the main drive is 40gigs, the new drive is 160gigs |
| 21:55.48 | angeldodger | pipeline: Thanx. Have firmware installed, and it should be in the correct location. Machine is dual boot (with SuSE) and on the other system firmware file is in the same location as on the Debian system. |
| 21:55.58 | King_Brad | i DONT want to format the 40g |
| 21:56.03 | King_Brad | i can reformat the 160 tho |
| 21:56.06 | kreg | abrotman anyhow. /etc/skel/.bashrc and .bash_profile are different now. where do i uncomment the appropriate lines for ls color aliases? |
| 21:56.08 | abrotman | kreg: afaik .. in the /etc/skel/.bashrc .. which gets copied for new users .. there is an alias for ls to be ls --color |
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| 21:56.27 | abrotman | kreg: or you can make a horrible global alias in /etc/profile :) |
| 21:56.32 | gnufan | King_Brad: hehe - I though there were 10 new drives.... |
| 21:56.36 | King_Brad | no |
| 21:56.37 | markybob | abrotman, that's not the case anymore |
| 21:56.39 | King_Brad | expression :) |
| 21:56.40 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.40 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.42 | kreg | abrotman ya i agree. but this etch install doesn't have tho lines in the .bashrc and .bash_profile under /etc/skel |
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| 21:56.48 | King_Brad | this computer only has 2 |
| 21:56.57 | King_Brad | i have plans for a BIG computer tho :) |
| 21:56.59 | King_Brad | lots of drives |
| 21:57.03 | cwood | kreg: if you want colour: alias ls 'ls --color' |
| 21:57.05 | abrotman | markybob: well .. i have etch at home .. not here .. and it's that way .. so .. bah .. colors suck anyways .. i'm moving to pleasantville |
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| 21:57.22 | markybob | abrotman, hah. :) |
| 21:57.34 | markybob | i personally dont use color, either. gives me a headache |
| 21:57.35 | King_Brad | k |
| 21:57.37 | gnufan | King_Brad: well put the second disk under LVM, and you'll have to have at least two folders -- probably wise with that much space ;) |
| 21:57.37 | King_Brad | thx for the help guys |
| 21:57.54 | cwood | Getting too used to color can throw you off if you have to work on an older system. |
| 21:58.07 | Eulex | pipeline, any way to make the tabs wider? I've got a lot of horizontal space, got a widescreen tft |
| 21:58.09 | King_Brad | i may just end up making the 40g the upload folder, and the 160 the main site folder |
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| 21:58.16 | King_Brad | that might work better n the longer run |
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| 21:58.41 | morten_ | Why is there no Insert->Video in OpenOffice Impress 2 (from etch)? |
| 21:58.44 | kreg | cwood i don't want to have to do that each install. it's my opinion that a distro should just have this ready to go. |
| 21:58.57 | morten_ | And what must I do to enable video in impress presentations? |
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| 21:59.09 | pipeline | Eulex: beats me |
| 21:59.14 | pipeline | Eulex: That's a GTK thing |
| 21:59.25 | Eulex | pipeline, hmm, ok. thanks anyway |
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| 21:59.38 | Thanatermesis | abrotman gone ? and how i install now xlibs-dev for compile things ? O_O |
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| 22:00.14 | fas3r | hi all |
| 22:00.18 | cwood | kreg: As sysadmin technique, any particular reason why you should be choosing the colour default for your end-users? Strikes me if the console user wants a fancy environment, it's better for all the other users if they can make it themselves. |
| 22:00.59 | d00f | ++ |
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| 22:01.26 | angeldodger | Can anyone tell me which part of the system is reposnsible for registering interfaces, such as wlan0, eth0 etc.? |
| 22:01.31 | NiteTwo | Hello, is there a tool that will let me view what daemons are currently running? |
| 22:01.32 | Thanatermesis | no in etch, no in SID, no in experimental... :/ |
| 22:01.43 | MrBallZ | n00b question: so I have been running sarge for a couple of months now ... when or is it going to be able to normally apt-get new versions of kde or new kernel that's not 2.6.8-2 |
| 22:01.55 | cwood | Now here's a complicated question for you lot. A Sid install that, as of today's kernel upgrade, started speaker-beeping while booted in 2.6. However! It doesn't beep like this in 2.4. How would you go about diagnosing this? (With the different behaviour in kernels, I'm not convinced that it's a hardware issue.) |
| 22:02.10 | wols | MrBallZ: sarge is stable. so: never except security fixes |
| 22:02.11 | kreg | cwood i know what you are saying. from my perspective, a user is a user. and doesn't know how to do such a thing for themselves. |
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| 22:02.16 | davis | I am not sure if this is a blackbox problem, a Eterm problem, or a Debian Xwindows config prorblem. I can not select fonts to be very large. I can only make them 10 point and less. |
| 22:02.36 | wols | cwood: kernel log checking |
| 22:02.53 | fas3r | if i have recompiling my kernel (last week) but i need active or disactive a element .. after i have select (or deselect) it just i need to execute "make" and copy the arch/i386/bzImage in /boot? |
| 22:03.01 | cwood | wols: I already did, and the kernel log is unhelpful/ |
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| 22:03.23 | MrBallZ | wols: so , if I just wanted to get new version of kde or new kernels ... what should i do ... completely install Etch? or ... manually and see if it borks something ? |
| 22:03.27 | chealer | !xwindows |
| 22:03.27 | dpkg | it has been said that xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 22:03.31 | wols | fas3r: you shoould use kernel-package. and you should compile in such things you might need or not as modules |
| 22:03.37 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: what file do you need?> |
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| 22:03.47 | abrotman | !systemwide |
| 22:03.50 | wols | MrBallZ: your choice. I'd use etch |
| 22:03.58 | Thanatermesis | abrotman just the lib "xlibs-dev" |
| 22:03.58 | abrotman | !system wide |
| 22:03.58 | dpkg | People who want to make things 'system wide' (aliases, environment variable changes, etc.) are control freaks. Leave your poor users alone. |
| 22:04.01 | Thanatermesis | package* |
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| 22:04.10 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: that's not a file .. what file is your compile loking for?> |
| 22:04.18 | MrBallZ | wols: so etch, does have newer kernels as they are being released and tested by debian team ?? |
| 22:04.24 | Thanatermesis | abrotman ATI for this new upgrade of xorg :/ |
| 22:04.24 | cwood | kreg: I suppose if you consider a user as somebody who needs to be spoonfed, or somebody who can be given an account and left to get on with it. I know I've always had more problems untangling somebody's /etc/bashrc complex customizing to get things the way I want them, rather than simply fleshing out a barebones config. |
| 22:04.35 | fas3r | wols, i didn't have use the debian method .. i have make the classic with "make dep bzImage modules modules_install" .. |
| 22:04.46 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: what file is it looking for? |
| 22:04.48 | Thanatermesis | abrotman with a normal compilation with the libs upgraded, i have this message: [R200Setup] X version mismatch - detected X.org 7.0.0.0, required X.org 6.8.0.0 |
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| 22:04.53 | yggdrasil | can somone help me im trying to swithc over to unstable sid sources. but i keep getting pt# gpg -armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 22:04.53 | yggdrasil | sudo: apt-key: command not found |
| 22:05.01 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: how did you get X7 in etch? |
| 22:05.04 | yggdrasil | when trying to add the keys |
| 22:05.06 | kreg | cwood it's just colors |
| 22:05.07 | wols | fas3r: that was a mistake. debian method is a lot better, trust me there. and you won't lose a thing compared to the classic one |
| 22:05.14 | abrotman | yggdrasil: are you on sarge? |
| 22:05.17 | yggdrasil | yes |
| 22:05.23 | abrotman | no keys needed |
| 22:05.26 | yggdrasil | hmmm |
| 22:05.34 | yggdrasil | how do i tell if im on sarge |
| 22:05.40 | abrotman | dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 22:05.40 | dpkg | ii libc6 | tail -1 3.3-14 abrotman's private stamp collection |
| 22:05.43 | wols | yggdrasil: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:05.44 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 22:05.44 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 22:05.54 | fas3r | wols, but for add/remove element just i execute "make" or i need to copy the bzImage files ? |
| 22:05.57 | yggdrasil | 3.1 |
| 22:06.02 | Thanatermesis | abrotman no idea =) |
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| 22:06.08 | abrotman | yggdrasil: and the dpkg -l libc6 ? |
| 22:06.09 | Thanatermesis | is just the message of xorg.log |
| 22:06.18 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: dpkg -l xserver-xorg .. what does it say ? |
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| 22:06.21 | wols | fas3r: depends where those "elements" are. could be in the kernel could be a module |
| 22:06.27 | yggdrasil | Name Version Description |
| 22:06.27 | yggdrasil | +++-================-================-================================================ |
| 22:06.27 | yggdrasil | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone dat |
| 22:06.35 | wols | if it's inside, make bzImage and copy that |
| 22:06.37 | abrotman | that's sarge .. apt doesn't support keys in sarge |
| 22:06.45 | yggdrasil | hmmm |
| 22:06.46 | Thanatermesis | abrotman 6.9, and compiled also in a 6.9... |
| 22:06.57 | yggdrasil | well ive gone thru this liek 4 times |
| 22:07.04 | lilyt | hello when i run X -config file to run xen with vesa the x start but theres no gdm what can i do? |
| 22:07.10 | abrotman | yggdrasil: paste your sources somewhere |
| 22:07.11 | abrotman | !paste |
| 22:07.11 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:07.14 | Thanatermesis | but the problem i think to not is the "7.0" but the "6.8" part of the message... maybe |
| 22:07.25 | yggdrasil | abrotman hang on let me explain this |
| 22:07.39 | abrotman | this shuld be good :) |
| 22:07.53 | fas3r | wols, if you prefer i have an error with /etc/mstab .. if think i have forget a module ... |
| 22:07.58 | Nwallins | hello. I was able to get a f/w hole opened up on port 22, which is then forwarded to my debian box, port 22. sshd is listening on 22 and ssh access works from a remote location. Is it possible to somehow use a webbrowser from a remote location and talk to httpd (thru sshd?) over port 22 as well? |
| 22:08.19 | yggdrasil | after i update sid.sources i run sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get dist-upgrade .. and then iget a totaly fuxoerd message about x11 and dependencies that i cant getmyself out of. |
| 22:08.29 | wols | fas3r: then it's make modules. but you could have all avoided this with kernel-package... |
| 22:08.32 | yggdrasil | whats the pastebin ? |
| 22:08.34 | abrotman | yggdrasil: paste the error somewhere |
| 22:08.35 | abrotman | !paste |
| 22:08.36 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:08.37 | vulture | Nwallins: sure.. port forwarding through ssh.. |
| 22:08.41 | yggdrasil | well |
| 22:08.42 | yggdrasil | heha |
| 22:08.52 | yggdrasil | id have to do dist-upgrade |
| 22:08.57 | morten_ | Video files in OpenOffice Impress, anyone? Why is it nowhere to be found in the insert menu? |
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| 22:09.03 | yggdrasil | let me post those sources.list b4 i do it |
| 22:09.04 | davis | let me try again. In X, I would like to be able to select larger font size for Eterms/xterms. The normal font size is ok, but if I want to share a screen with someone else (ie. help debug some code) then I would like my "largest" selectable font size to be larger. How do I do this? |
| 22:09.05 | Nwallins | vulture: ok, thanks. i read up on it a WHILE back... that distant memory must have been what made me think it was possible |
| 22:09.27 | yggdrasil | # Debian Sid Sources |
| 22:09.28 | yggdrasil | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 22:09.28 | yggdrasil | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 22:09.28 | yggdrasil | # Java Sources |
| 22:09.28 | yggdrasil | deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian sarge non-free |
| 22:09.28 | yggdrasil | # Mplayer Sources |
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| 22:09.36 | abrotman | fucking shit people are stupid |
| 22:09.37 | vulture | Nwallins: just read ssh (or if your remote location is Windows, look at Putty's options pages) and look for port forwarding |
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| 22:09.50 | yggdrasil | ooops osrry |
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| 22:09.54 | abrotman | yggdrasil: don't paste here |
| 22:09.55 | wols | yggdrasil: do you have a brain? |
| 22:09.55 | abrotman | !paste |
| 22:09.55 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:10.02 | streuner | abrotman: you didn't tell them enough :-) |
| 22:10.07 | markybob | mortal, bts |
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| 22:10.17 | markybob | morten_, ^ |
| 22:10.33 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: ok .. so you're trying to build these libraries .. and what happens? |
| 22:10.39 | Nwallins | vulture: the port forwarding is configured on the server, right? |
| 22:11.03 | abrotman | yggdrasil: dpkg -l apt | tail -1 |
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| 22:11.15 | streuner | yggdrasil: run 'apt-setup' , choose sarge/stable and use security.debian.org |
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| 22:11.27 | davis | is there a channel where I can get x.org X11 server help? |
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| 22:11.42 | streuner | davis: are you running debian? |
| 22:11.42 | chealer | !tell davis about xorg |
| 22:11.54 | bcc_ | this is really weird. if i generate a ps file by printing to a file from a windows box and the lp < that_file under linux. it prints without pausing between pages. but if i generate a ps file by printing to a file with open office or any other app, i get a delay between each page. any ideas as to where i should look? |
| 22:11.54 | davis | yes |
| 22:11.59 | Thanatermesis | abrotman aparently ATI has a good installer integrated now.. with a simple "--buildpkg Debian/testing" and make beautiful .deb packages :) maybe the libs are simply correct and the problem is just a autodetection of versions and error message out... maybe hacking it :/ |
| 22:12.00 | abrotman | streuner: no apt-setup in etch/sid |
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| 22:12.12 | MrBallZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.21 | davis | chealer: thanks |
| 22:12.23 | abrotman | MrBallZ: etch has a 2.6.15 |
| 22:12.27 | frog_racer | how do i get the latest packages like firefox 1.5 without replacing all the files and do a ton of shit |
| 22:12.30 | Fox_1_ | when i write allow from 192.168.0.2 and deny from all. it doesn't open in 192.168.0.2 machine. whats the problem? (in #apache all peoples sleep) |
| 22:12.33 | _dylan | anybody: is there a maximum amount of directories you can have in a directory... or... a maximum amount of files to a directory ? |
| 22:12.36 | abrotman | !tell frog_racer about backports |
| 22:12.45 | streuner | yggdrasil: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 22:12.48 | frog_racer | what are backports |
| 22:12.48 | Nwallins | _dylan: depends on the filesystem (ext2, ext3, etc) |
| 22:12.49 | abrotman | _dylan: yes |
| 22:13.00 | Thanatermesis | abrotman if you say to the version "6.8" of the package xlibs-dev is in reality good and its 6.9... then the problem is from the thing to i build to not recognizes correctly the version of xorg |
| 22:13.00 | streuner | !tell frog_racer about backports |
| 22:13.08 | wols | frog_racer: something very evil |
| 22:13.10 | abrotman | !info xlibs-dev etch |
| 22:13.14 | _dylan | yes to both ? ... how do i determine the ext? ? |
| 22:13.24 | frog_racer | lol |
| 22:13.27 | chealer | frog_racer: it could be useful to mention which release you use |
| 22:13.31 | abrotman | !+info xlibs-dev etch |
| 22:13.33 | dpkg | Package 'xlibs-dev' does not exist. |
| 22:13.34 | yggdrasil | hey guys sorry |
| 22:13.36 | yggdrasil | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 22:13.36 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: ^^ |
| 22:13.37 | streuner | abrotman: gravity throw it out |
| 22:13.38 | wols | _dylan: look into your fstab |
| 22:13.46 | Nwallins | _dylan: `cat /etc/fstab` |
| 22:13.49 | morten_ | markybob: Yes? |
| 22:13.53 | frog_racer | the latest from debian (installed it yesterday) |
| 22:14.00 | abrotman | yggdrasil: wrong url |
| 22:14.07 | abrotman | streuner: no shit .. i'm showing Thanatermesis |
| 22:14.09 | markybob | morten_, you asked about ooo video, right? look in the bts |
| 22:14.18 | morten_ | markybob: Oh |
| 22:14.18 | yggdrasil | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1918 |
| 22:14.25 | yggdrasil | im about as bright as a box of rocks here |
| 22:14.28 | davis | welp the question to #xorg fell on deaf ears as well. |
| 22:14.29 | chealer | frog_racer: I mean the suite you use, like stable or testing |
| 22:14.40 | frog_racer | stable |
| 22:14.42 | prock_ | weird.. I can't launch any terminals... I get an error, 'can't open pseudo-tty' ... what is this from? |
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| 22:14.49 | abrotman | yggdrasil: now .. `dpkg -l apt | tail -1` .. |
| 22:14.54 | vulture | Nwallins: I guess you probably need some "Enable Port Forwarding" thing on the server, but a lot of it (which port to forward from (on the client) and to (on the server)) is configured on the client |
| 22:14.57 | _dylan | wols, Nwallins: ok... my production machine has ext3, my development machine is using reiser. |
| 22:15.06 | yggdrasil | well abrotman i swtiched my source.list back to the original one |
| 22:15.08 | markybob | morten_, it's a known problem. mortal, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=227265 |
| 22:15.09 | davis | yggdrasil: what is your problem? |
| 22:15.12 | yggdrasil | you want me to switch it back |
| 22:15.19 | abrotman | no .. i want you to show me .. |
| 22:15.20 | abrotman | yggdrasil: now .. `dpkg -l apt | tail -1` .. |
| 22:15.33 | dos000 | can anyone point to info on how to compile xgl from sources ? i never compiled xorg before |
| 22:15.48 | abrotman | you would ask #xorg |
| 22:15.49 | Nwallins | _dylan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 22:15.57 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 22:15.57 | markybob | !xgl-howto |
| 22:15.57 | yggdrasil | ii apt 0.6.40.1ubuntu9 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 22:15.57 | dpkg | i heard filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 22:15.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xgl-howto is getting xgl and compiz working on Ubuntu Dapper, using Nvidia's or ATI's chipsets. They're still highly experimental and not recommended for casual use,only available in the Ubuntu Dapper's universe repository.There is no guarantee that they will even work for you on your Ubuntu box,so use this howto on your own risk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto |
| 22:16.15 | _dylan | Nwallins: excellent, thank you ! |
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| 22:16.22 | streuner | here we go :-) |
| 22:16.22 | abrotman | yggdrasil: so you're using ubuntu? |
| 22:16.24 | yggdrasil | davis i get a major problem with x11 dependecies after i switch to sid and dist-upgrade |
| 22:16.28 | yggdrasil | abrotman no |
| 22:16.31 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:16.32 | Nwallins | _dylan: np |
| 22:16.33 | yggdrasil | shot sorry |
| 22:16.36 | yggdrasil | wrong termina |
| 22:16.41 | markybob | haha |
| 22:16.46 | markybob | that's precious |
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| 22:17.03 | davis | yggdrasil: i think it is probably switching you off xserver-xfree86 to xserver-xorg, right? |
| 22:17.15 | yggdrasil | i apt 0.5.28.6 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 22:17.27 | abrotman | that's the version in sarge |
| 22:17.27 | dos000 | markybob, evryone and their cousin has been pointing to the dapper stuff ... i just want to compile this myself tho ! |
| 22:17.30 | yggdrasil | davis i have no idea |
| 22:17.37 | MrBallZ | n00b question: so the difference with Ubuntu , is that they get newer versions of progz and other things faster than with debian '? |
| 22:17.43 | markybob | dos000, go ask in #xorg or somewhere else. not the channel for it |
| 22:17.46 | abrotman | yggdrasil: so when you try to install stuff .. it's broken |
| 22:17.50 | abrotman | MrBallZ: and it's OT |
| 22:17.55 | yggdrasil | abrotman |
| 22:17.56 | streuner | MrBallZ: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 22:17.59 | abrotman | yggdrasil |
| 22:18.05 | yggdrasil | god idont know how to explain this |
| 22:18.07 | dos000 | markybob, on my way there |
| 22:18.07 | yggdrasil | its fine right now |
| 22:18.08 | chealer | frog_racer: is there a reason you want Firefox 1.5? |
| 22:18.14 | yggdrasil | but i jsut did a fresh reinstall |
| 22:18.15 | davis | yggdrasil: well, what happens when you apt-get dist-upgrade and let it resolve all the questions? |
| 22:18.19 | yggdrasil | im following a a guide ofr vdr |
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| 22:18.31 | frog_racer | security benefits (extensoins that are 1.5 only) |
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| 22:18.38 | NiteTwo | Hello, is there a tool that will let me view what daemons are currently running? |
| 22:18.49 | morten_ | markybob: Thanks man. :) |
| 22:18.54 | yggdrasil | but im at this step in the procedure wher it wants me to switch over to sid and then dl and compile ffmpeg |
| 22:18.58 | markybob | morten_, np |
| 22:19.03 | chealer | frog_racer: security is precisely the reason why you shouldn't use Firefox 1.5 on stable |
| 22:19.12 | yggdrasil | im installing vdr |
| 22:19.14 | yggdrasil | a vdr box |
| 22:19.15 | streuner | NiteTwo: ps aux | less |
| 22:19.18 | chealer | frog_racer: s/reason/most important reason |
| 22:19.20 | davis | yggdrasil: I've never seen it do something like that. |
| 22:19.23 | Nwallins | yggdrasil: vdr? |
| 22:19.29 | yggdrasil | yar |
| 22:19.41 | abrotman | video recorder? |
| 22:19.42 | davis | yggdrasil: try to apt-get remove the apt which requires you compile ffmpgeg |
| 22:19.56 | yggdrasil | well ok hang on |
| 22:19.56 | abrotman | ffmpeg is in the sarge repository at marillat's repo |
| 22:20.24 | yggdrasil | ok |
| 22:20.26 | Nwallins | yggdrasil: what is vdr? |
| 22:20.33 | yggdrasil | what about libavcodeccvs |
| 22:20.35 | abrotman | !vdr |
| 22:20.42 | abrotman | WTF IS VDR! |
| 22:20.46 | markybob | i dont have a clue |
| 22:20.50 | NiteTwo | Awesome :) What about something to manipulate them, like enable some, disable some |
| 22:20.53 | abrotman | markybob: vdr |
| 22:20.54 | vin` | video recorder? |
| 22:20.58 | abrotman | stupid bot ... |
| 22:20.59 | markybob | abrotman, apparently :) |
| 22:20.59 | davis | so xorg suggests that the problem with my fonts might be because I need another font. is there a way to get the font name uesd by an xterm? |
| 22:21.00 | yggdrasil | it makes your linbox into a satelite reciever |
| 22:21.05 | yggdrasil | satelite tv receiver |
| 22:21.12 | abrotman | yggdrasil: this sounds like you need gov't clearance :) |
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| 22:21.17 | yggdrasil | then you use direct fb and svideo video card out |
| 22:21.24 | yggdrasil | abrot its sooooo fukin cool |
| 22:21.29 | yggdrasil | and pvr |
| 22:21.33 | yggdrasil | and dvd burner |
| 22:21.34 | vin` | and not be like tivo and violate gpl |
| 22:21.35 | abrotman | i doubt it's fukin cool |
| 22:21.35 | yggdrasil | and stream it out |
| 22:21.41 | yggdrasil | and um |
| 22:21.42 | abrotman | kewl maybe .. fukin cool .. nah |
| 22:21.45 | yggdrasil | hehe |
| 22:21.50 | NiteTwo | Also: After running some updates, my base-config got eaten or something o.O (I'm a noob, sorry) |
| 22:22.01 | abrotman | or something? |
| 22:22.03 | yggdrasil | oh and you can actualy watch every channel thats being broadcast on a single transponder at the same time |
| 22:22.04 | vin` | NiteTwo: who or what ate it? |
| 22:22.12 | vin` | or something like that. |
| 22:22.15 | yggdrasil | wich is unheard of |
| 22:22.16 | Nwallins | yggdrasil: does it have something to do with a stacked signal? |
| 22:22.17 | markybob | abrotman, you know, man. it just happened. i smoked a bowl and then everything was different. or something |
| 22:22.22 | yggdrasil | i dont know |
| 22:22.25 | NiteTwo | I don't know, all I know is I used to be able to run it and now bash says it can't find it |
| 22:22.33 | Thanatermesis | abrotman you look a little stressed today =) |
| 22:22.35 | NiteTwo | find / -name base-config can't find it either :P |
| 22:22.36 | abrotman | markybob: that happens .. just stay away form the paint thinner |
| 22:22.36 | streuner | NiteTwo: base-config is fucked in etch and sid atm... |
| 22:22.40 | yggdrasil | nwallins sounds familiar though |
| 22:22.43 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: not really .. better than the last two days |
| 22:22.49 | Thanatermesis | hehehehe |
| 22:22.49 | yggdrasil | ok anyway ill puzzle this little problem out here brb |
| 22:22.51 | abrotman | streuner: you mean .. gone :) |
| 22:22.59 | streuner | NiteTwo: no |
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| 22:23.04 | yggdrasil | thanks |
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| 22:23.11 | streuner | abrotman: no |
| 22:23.23 | Thanatermesis | abrotman ok.. the package not exist more, is just on my /var/lib/dpkg/status now... mmmh, do you know what is the actual replacement of it ? |
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| 22:23.49 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: i owuld need to know what the file is called |
| 22:23.53 | morten_ | markybob: Oh wait. That bug is for OOo 1.x.. I have the latest 2.x from etch, and the insert video options isn't grayed out.. it's simply not there at ALL. |
| 22:23.53 | abrotman | streuner: it's gone |
| 22:23.58 | streuner | abrotman: http://pdo.debian.net/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=base-config&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 22:24.12 | markybob | morten_, look at the very last part of that bug report. it's talking about 2.x |
| 22:24.12 | abrotman | streuner: (transitional version) |
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| 22:24.24 | abrotman | streuner: http://pdo.debian.net/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=base-config&version=testing&arch=all .. not very useful :) |
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| 22:25.00 | streuner | abrotman: http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/base-config.html |
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| 22:25.14 | abrotman | streuner: there's nothing in the package |
| 22:25.15 | davis | in debian there are a ton of font packages. which one should I install and how should I config it so that I can choose fonts for xterms? |
| 22:25.37 | Loevborg | Anyone know an open-source program to turn arbitrary binary data into something that can be printed, scanned, and converted to data again? |
| 22:25.43 | abrotman | xfonts-base xfonts-fixed .. xfonts-75dpi and xfonts-100dpi .. should be enough :) |
| 22:25.45 | Thanatermesis | ok abrotman... don't worry... i try to find it deinstalling directly and looking posible errors of compilations, thanks :) |
| 22:25.55 | abrotman | Loevborg: are you serious? |
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| 22:26.04 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: or you oculd ask #ati ? |
| 22:26.08 | Loevborg | abrotman, why not? |
| 22:26.12 | streuner | abrotman: anyway, its not working in etch or sid atm |
| 22:26.17 | markybob | because this isnt the show 24. it's real life |
| 22:26.26 | abrotman | Loevborg: you want to take random binary data .. make it useful .. and print it .. and convert it back ? |
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| 22:26.30 | bust3r | how do i change my nic to 1000 full duplex when i try ethtool eth1 it gives no info at all |
| 22:26.39 | bust3r | says no data available |
| 22:26.41 | abrotman | streuner: because there's nothing in the package :) |
| 22:26.44 | bust3r | the nic works tho |
| 22:26.45 | abrotman | mii-tool |
| 22:26.57 | bust3r | is mii-tool with debian sarge ? |
| 22:27.02 | abrotman | prolly |
| 22:27.05 | abrotman | !info mii-tool sarge |
| 22:27.13 | abrotman | bah .. what's it called |
| 22:27.17 | bust3r | SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth1' failed: Operation not supported |
| 22:27.24 | bust3r | is what mii-tool says |
| 22:27.26 | markybob | mii-diag ? |
| 22:27.27 | abrotman | cute |
| 22:27.46 | markybob | !info mii-diag sarge |
| 22:27.50 | abrotman | bust3r: it's possible the driver doesn't support it |
| 22:27.51 | dpkg | mii-diag: (A little tool to manipulate network cards), section net, is extra. Version: 2.09-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
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| 22:28.17 | streuner | dpkg> Debian Search of 'mii-tool' (3): (/sbin/mii-tool) in net/net-tools ;; |
| 22:28.20 | morten_ | markybob: Meh. So I should try with converting the regular RPMs with alien, perhaps? |
| 22:28.30 | markybob | morten_, if you want it that badly :) |
| 22:28.33 | bust3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.33 | bust3r | SIOCGMIIPHY on eth1 failed: Operation not supported |
| 22:28.34 | abrotman | dpkg died on me |
| 22:28.38 | Loevborg | abrotman, yes somethin like a barcode, but it should hold more information |
| 22:28.46 | morten_ | markybob: Kind of. :) |
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| 22:29.03 | abrotman | Loevborg: do you know the algorhythm that is used to create this binary blob ? |
| 22:29.29 | abrotman | someday .. i'll learn how to spell |
| 22:29.35 | httpdss | died on me too |
| 22:29.42 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 22:29.42 | dpkg | hi, abrotman |
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| 22:30.00 | davis | maybe it is a config problem for xterms and eterms to get the fonts bigger. |
| 22:30.03 | davis | where can i find the list of fonts available on my system? |
| 22:30.17 | alfadir | hmm, strange, as root i can touch a file in / but permision denied in /etc they are on the same partition - filesystems are ok and reported (rw) |
| 22:30.34 | Loevborg | abrotman, um.. not an algorithm that creats the binary blob, but one that produces an image from binary data, and vice versa |
| 22:31.03 | abrotman | Loevborg: so you want to take a pile of 1/0 and make it an image/printout ? |
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| 22:31.19 | abrotman | Loevborg: i'm very confused about what you want to do .. |
| 22:31.24 | Loevborg | abrotman, you got it |
| 22:31.34 | Nwallins | regarding ssh port-forwarding... this guide http://www.bitvise.com/port-forwarding.html says that the ssh *client* will listen on a certain interface. does this mean the ssh client is acting as a daemon? |
| 22:31.34 | penguin | How to reconfigure exim4? |
| 22:31.37 | abrotman | Loevborg: you could put jpeg headers at the beginning of the file .. and make it think it's an image .. the spool it |
| 22:31.44 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config .. probably |
| 22:31.51 | Loevborg | abrotman, :|| |
| 22:32.01 | Loevborg | abrotman, you're too funny |
| 22:32.17 | penguin | how come dpkg --configure exim4 doesnt do anything? |
| 22:32.26 | abrotman | Loevborg: i wasn't joking |
| 22:32.30 | penguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.33 | evilbulgarian | hi, i got offered a $40/hr contracting position for a linux network administrator in Southern California ( San Diego ) just trying to figure out if that is too low as im seeing in google searches mostly around $60/hr anyone have any advice? |
| 22:32.42 | markybob | penguin, because it's a metapackage |
| 22:32.42 | abrotman | depends on the job |
| 22:32.52 | nailchipper | evilbulgarian, are you worth $60? |
| 22:32.54 | abrotman | and your expertise |
| 22:32.56 | Loevborg | abrotman, that's not only useless but wont even work at all |
| 22:32.59 | penguin | metapackage? |
| 22:33.03 | abrotman | i'm so worth $60/hour .. all the girls say so |
| 22:33.06 | Nwallins | Loevborg: why not make a bitmap? |
| 22:33.19 | streuner | evilbulgarian: yes, look for another and tell us what people we have to contact ;-) |
| 22:33.22 | abrotman | Loevborg: ok .. then how would you like to print binary data as an image? |
| 22:33.24 | nailchipper | abrotman: do those girls know iptables? |
| 22:33.25 | Loevborg | Nwallins, obviously I need some kind of fault-tolerance |
| 22:33.33 | abrotman | nailchipper: that's what i'm there for! |
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| 22:33.51 | Loevborg | Nwallins, some pattern recognition will be required for the receiving sid |
| 22:33.53 | Loevborg | side |
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| 22:33.59 | nailchipper | abrotman: ha! gotcha! i thought it was other services |
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| 22:34.17 | markybob | Loevborg, be honest. where'd you get the idea for whatever it is that you're trying to do? |
| 22:34.17 | nailchipper | evilbulgarian: how old are you? |
| 22:34.18 | penguin | What the heck is a metapackage? |
| 22:34.29 | abrotman | !metapackage |
| 22:34.29 | evilbulgarian | nailchipper: 25 |
| 22:34.29 | dpkg | methinks metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. |
| 22:34.35 | evilbulgarian | nailchipper: 6+ years of XP |
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| 22:34.50 | abrotman | that's amazing .. XP wasn't even released 6+ years ago |
| 22:34.51 | kimo_ | Hi, anyone seen a case where grub is *very* slow to start a system (like 15 minutes) ? |
| 22:34.54 | penguin | So I use dpkg-reconfigure exim4? |
| 22:34.56 | evilbulgarian | nailchipper: job is for sms.ac |
| 22:34.59 | niggy | xp = experience. heh |
| 22:35.07 | streuner | penguin: kde and gnome are good examples |
| 22:35.08 | markybob | XP Release Date: 2001-10-25 |
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| 22:35.13 | abrotman | !win me |
| 22:35.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 22:35.28 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell penguin about drec |
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| 22:35.39 | Loevborg | markybob, I suspect you supect something |
| 22:35.40 | streuner | !drec |
| 22:35.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drec is dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # Run it as root! |
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| 22:35.53 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 22:35.55 | nailchipper | evilbulgarian: hum... hey.. if you can get $60, do it! the trick in contracting is "how much am i worth" + "how much do they think i am worth" |
| 22:35.55 | markybob | Loevborg, i suspect you've been watching too much TV |
| 22:36.06 | markybob | abrotman, i'm a witness ;) |
| 22:36.09 | nailchipper | evilbulgarian: the first one usually just being about $10 :) |
| 22:36.17 | abrotman | can i get a witness? |
| 22:36.21 | Nwallins | Loevborg: hmm.. pick a color space, then take the first n bits as a color in the color space. you then have a serial list of colors. map that to 2-space pixels and you have an image |
| 22:36.22 | markybob | amen |
| 22:36.40 | evilbulgarian | nailchipper: lol |
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| 22:36.50 | Nwallins | s/space. you/space. Then do it again. and again. you/ |
| 22:36.54 | evilbulgarian | nailchipper: thats how much i currently get in ann arbor, michigan is 60/hr |
| 22:37.04 | nimak | what do they speak in bulgaria? |
| 22:37.06 | abrotman | you would move for $40/hour? |
| 22:37.09 | evilbulgarian | nailchipper: but not alot of hrs and SD, Cali is much nicer :) |
| 22:37.10 | abrotman | for a contract? |
| 22:37.14 | nailchipper | nimak: guess |
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| 22:37.27 | abrotman | i guess they speak chinese |
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| 22:37.30 | streuner | abrotman: the weather in california is better ;-) |
| 22:37.30 | evilbulgarian | abrotman: well all expenses paid and if they like me i get hired in |
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| 22:37.34 | nimak | bulgarian is a language |
| 22:37.36 | nimak | ? |
| 22:37.41 | streuner | sure |
| 22:37.51 | evilbulgarian | nimak: country too |
| 22:37.52 | Loevborg | Nwallins, I think that won't produce an output identical to the input, using a newspaper printer, and a 600dpi scanner |
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| 22:37.54 | abrotman | streuner: depends on your definition of better .. for me yes .. asg no |
| 22:38.01 | Nwallins | Loevborg: bummer, dude |
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| 22:38.37 | fas3r | re |
| 22:38.39 | abrotman | Loevborg: is the input even an image? |
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| 22:38.52 | davis | is there a tool which allows you to view the available fonts on your box? |
| 22:38.58 | penguin | Can exim have two smarthosts? |
| 22:39.02 | Loevborg | abrotman, ah please stop trolling, I'm being serious |
| 22:39.06 | fas3r | i ll come back i nedd restart |
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| 22:39.11 | streuner | abrotman: nobody moves from the mid-west to california to get less money without reason... |
| 22:39.19 | abrotman | Loevborg: so am i .. don't accuse me of trolling .. you're in #debian asking algorithm questions |
| 22:39.20 | godmachine81 | i am a debian (sid) user but i have a question that doesnt regard debian in specific, i tried to ask in the appropriate channel but no one is talking there.. can someone help me with aMule? i keep getting "connection lost" and it never connects to a server.. and i have the ports forwarded properly too.. |
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| 22:39.34 | penguin | I want this linux machine to be a smarthost, but I also have to pull mail using pop3 from another machine? |
| 22:39.35 | abrotman | streuner: michigan isn't midwest .. it's barren north |
| 22:39.35 | kspath | shake your head yes and nod to indicate no I love that |
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| 22:40.06 | kvastskaft | what file to change if i want a thing to start up everytime my computer starts, like welcome2l |
| 22:40.07 | streuner | abrotman: so it should be the weather :-) |
| 22:40.11 | markybob_ | nick markybob |
| 22:40.22 | markybob_ | bitch |
| 22:40.24 | abrotman | kvastskaft: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 22:40.24 | Loevborg | abrotman, input: 1kb arbitrary data -> transport: a piece of paper -> output: 1kb of hopefully the same. if still arbitrary, data |
| 22:40.26 | niggy | lawl. |
| 22:40.38 | niggy | east coast > west coast |
| 22:40.42 | niggy | fsck cali |
| 22:40.43 | markybob_ | finally |
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| 22:40.45 | niggy | go to nyc |
| 22:40.47 | c_k | hi all |
| 22:40.55 | kvastskaft | abrotman, thanks |
| 22:40.56 | Nwallins | Loevborg: my method works at a suitably low dpi |
| 22:40.59 | abrotman | Loevborg: so it has no format at all .. do you know how the binary data is genereated? |
| 22:41.21 | Nwallins | Loevborg: and small colorspace |
| 22:41.30 | penguin | I want this machine to be a smarthost for local mail, but I want another machine for a smarhost for internet mail? |
| 22:41.31 | Nwallins | Loevborg: and large paper |
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| 22:41.49 | Loevborg | abrotman, it's an mp3 file :) |
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| 22:42.03 | abrotman | Loevborg: RIAA will get you for printing MP3s! |
| 22:42.07 | Nwallins | lol |
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| 22:42.38 | Loevborg | abrotman, I doubt they'll make it over the big pond |
| 22:42.40 | c_k | anyone here use vexim at all |
| 22:42.46 | kspath | printing circuits on large format paper with conductive ink? |
| 22:42.58 | markybob | c_k, /msg dpkg ask |
| 22:43.11 | penguin | Anyone understand this exim stuff? |
| 22:43.24 | kspath | not even the people that use it |
| 22:43.33 | Loevborg | Nwallins, my colour space is indeed small: it's binary |
| 22:43.46 | Nwallins | Loevborg: um, you get to choose the color space |
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| 22:43.56 | Nwallins | like 16-bit color, etc. |
| 22:43.57 | markybob | c_k, fuck, man. i said /msg dpkg ask, not /msg markybob |
| 22:44.00 | markybob | !ask |
| 22:44.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:44.01 | kvastskaft | hmm wy cant i hear music in .swf files :S |
| 22:44.05 | abrotman | Loevborg: i'm still confused why you can't slap a header image on it .. it's freaking binary data .. how will the printer know if it's a note or a red |
| 22:44.17 | kvastskaft | hmm wy cant i hear music in .swf files :S, like flashmovies and so on |
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| 22:44.35 | penguin | currently, if I try to open port 110 from a remote machine it wont work only locally |
| 22:44.39 | abrotman | mixer levels are f'ed |
| 22:44.55 | markybob | s/f\'ed/fucked |
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| 22:45.03 | penguin | I want port 110 to listen remotely and locally I think? |
| 22:45.11 | markybob | abrotman, just trying to help you out :) |
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| 22:45.25 | streuner | penguin: 110 is pop3 |
| 22:45.31 | penguin | I meant 25 |
| 22:45.36 | abrotman | trying to keep my kingsley quotient down .. i did a doozie on it today |
| 22:45.49 | penguin | 110 listens remotely |
| 22:45.51 | markybob | abrotman, ah! i forgot all about that guy and his reports. |
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| 22:46.43 | Nwallins | Loevborg: i've already written a ruby script to do it |
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| 22:47.00 | penguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.16 | penguin | I dont think that is what I want? |
| 22:47.17 | stew | kvastskaft: does sound work in other applications? as user? are you using oss or alsa? |
| 22:47.35 | penguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.43 | penguin | I think this might be it? |
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| 22:47.47 | kvastskaft | stew, im using oss, sound works averywhere else |
| 22:47.47 | penguin | What will that one do? |
| 22:48.10 | P^ | hi i have compiled my kernel, which directory in /usr/src can i find it ? |
| 22:48.23 | markybob | p^ uh, what? restate that |
| 22:48.25 | abrotman | but it's already compiled |
| 22:48.32 | stew | kvastskaft: is something else using the soundcard? does "fuser /dev/dsp" return any pids? |
| 22:48.39 | Nwallins | Loevborg: actually, the colorspace would have to be very small to handle tolerances of ink, time decay, and scanner |
| 22:48.49 | vin` | P^: .. from where you compiled, it you did it the right way. |
| 22:48.56 | penguin | I guess I will just try each one and see what happens. |
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| 22:49.17 | kvastskaft | stew, nope no pids |
| 22:49.17 | P^ | markybob, i have compiled in my kernel. and i need the kernel to be pointed in grub. i mean to copy to the /boot folder |
| 22:49.28 | stew | P^: hopefully in either /usr/src/linux-$version or /usr/src/kernel-source-$version of /src/src/linux-source-$version |
| 22:49.32 | P^ | vin`, yes. i need to know where the kernel image reside in |
| 22:49.38 | Loevborg | Nwallins, I don't get to choose the colour space, I'm telling you. this should be in a newspaper page |
| 22:49.38 | markybob | p^ did you make install? |
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| 22:49.42 | penguin | How did you compile it? |
| 22:49.43 | stew | P^: did you use make-kpkg? |
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| 22:50.02 | P^ | markybob, yes |
| 22:50.19 | vin` | markybob: where is your kernel-source? |
| 22:50.20 | stew | P^: this would all be automatic if you used make-kpkg /msg dpkg kp |
| 22:50.20 | Nwallins | Loevborg: ok. newspapers can print color and greyscale, but this is strictly monochrome? |
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| 22:50.37 | markybob | vin`, that's personal. how could you ask a perfect stranger something like that? |
| 22:50.44 | Loevborg | Nwallins, ah you're probably right, yes |
| 22:50.55 | vin` | P^: where is your kernel-source? |
| 22:50.55 | abrotman | eeyore-: that was like .. all day :) |
| 22:50.58 | eeyore- | Nwallins: newspapers don't really print "color" and "greyscale" per se. it's all CMYK, no solid colors |
| 22:50.58 | abrotman | starfishy: you can speak! |
| 22:51.00 | vin` | markybob: ignore. |
| 22:51.02 | Digital_Pioneer | Hi. |
| 22:51.04 | kvastskaft | stew, i want to try to use alsa instead of oss, how do i do that? |
| 22:51.11 | eeyore- | abrotman: well, things happen. performance review and such :-) |
| 22:51.13 | Nwallins | eeyore-: well, yeah |
| 22:51.13 | Digital_Pioneer | I'm having trouble getting ACPI to work on Debian. |
| 22:51.16 | stew | kvastskaft: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:51.17 | starfishy | abrotman: thank you |
| 22:51.25 | Nwallins | eeyore-: newspapers don't really 'print' either ;) |
| 22:51.41 | abrotman | starfishy: i didn't undo it :) |
| 22:51.42 | kvastskaft | stew, 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 22:51.46 | stew | kvastskaft: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 22:51.48 | abrotman | eeyore-: move time? |
| 22:51.49 | eeyore- | Nwallins: it'd be prohibitively expensive to utilize spot colors all over the places |
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| 22:51.53 | P^ | vin`, /usr/src. any way i got the image in /boot directory . i`ll have to edit it :) |
| 22:51.55 | starfishy | abrotman: but you told me |
| 22:51.57 | starfishy | :) |
| 22:51.57 | Loevborg | Nwallins, it's probably greyscale, but I think it would be safest to only use two colours, then use a higher resolution |
| 22:52.02 | eeyore- | abrotman: soon, grasshopper, soon |
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| 22:52.18 | dondelelcaro | *** Hey, folks, it's time to do a massive unbanning. /ignore #debian MODES; is strongly recommended *** |
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| 22:52.27 | Digital_Pioneer | GRUB defaultedly says to boot with acpi=off |
| 22:52.32 | P^ | vin`, dont we need initrd image ? |
| 22:52.33 | Digital_Pioneer | But if I turn it on, it won't boot. |
| 22:52.37 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 22:52.53 | sinaduel_ | I need to know how to save a .txt file in the console, whenever I type anything it inserts it on the file? |
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| 22:53.01 | dondelelcaro | *** Again, /ignore #debian MODES; is strongly recommended *** |
| 22:53.05 | vin` | P^: not necessarily, unless you left out the juicy bits in menuconfig. |
| 22:53.06 | dondelelcaro | unbanning begins. |
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| 22:53.09 | stew | sinaduel_: man script |
| 22:53.12 | eeyore- | 3 2 1 now |
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| 22:53.38 | Digital_Pioneer | /ignore #debian modes |
| 22:53.39 | raf256[laptop] | hmm |
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| 22:53.40 | P^ | vin`, i havent got the initrd image. what do i need to do now ? |
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| 22:53.45 | raf256[laptop] | wtf? |
| 22:53.46 | eeyore- | my god are we trigger-happy bunch :-) |
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| 22:53.48 | vin` | dondelelcaro: getting rid of the whole list? |
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| 22:53.58 | raf256[laptop] | dondelelcaro: wtf? |
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| 22:54.05 | starfishy | wow, lotsabans |
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| 22:54.12 | markybob | raf256[laptop], he warned you about it. if you werent paying attention, that's your fault. just ignore it |
| 22:54.13 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: just keep mwilson's :-) |
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| 22:54.19 | kvastskaft | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 22:54.23 | Nwallins | whee! |
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| 22:54.37 | kvastskaft | stewe, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 22:54.41 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: you're keeping mwilson's on, right? |
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| 22:55.01 | dondelelcaro | vin`: no... just selected parts. |
| 22:55.04 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:55.06 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: he's on the autorem list. |
| 22:55.16 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: what's "autorem"? |
| 22:55.18 | dondelelcaro | if you wish, you can /unignore #debian modes now. |
| 22:55.20 | stew | kvastskaft: what card do you have? |
| 22:55.24 | Digital_Pioneer | This is getting me nowhere. |
| 22:55.27 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: the akick equivalent. |
| 22:55.30 | k31th | Anyone about that uses ldap authentication for pam that could help me ? |
| 22:55.31 | yggdrasil | hey guys how can i install apt-key ? what pkg is it in ? |
| 22:55.35 | eeyore- | ok |
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| 22:55.50 | kvastskaft | stew, it finds 2 cards |
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| 22:55.59 | disposable | :wq |
| 22:56.03 | dondelelcaro | yggdrasil: it's in apt... |
| 22:56.12 | stew | kvastskaft: name one of them |
| 22:56.12 | yggdrasil | why dont i have it ? |
| 22:56.13 | kvastskaft | stew, legacy annd via82xx |
| 22:56.16 | markybob | yggdrasil, you've already been told that it's not in sarge |
| 22:56.22 | dondelelcaro | yggdrasil: because you're using the sarge version of apt. |
| 22:56.25 | markybob | yggdrasil, how many times do we have to tell you for you to get it? |
| 22:56.27 | RolandU | hi all! have a small but annoying problem: can't open my cd-drive. it's not mounted. what can I do? |
| 22:56.28 | stew | kvastskaft: what happens when you run "modprobe snd_via82xx" as root? |
| 22:56.28 | eeyore- | k31th: sorry, i don't know pam ldap. however, if you want to know something *slightly* related, i can point you to a tool that queries ldap and pops entries into DBM databases :-) |
| 22:56.32 | P^ | stew, how do i make initrd image ? |
| 22:56.43 | eeyore- | k31th: for ldap->NIS, for example |
| 22:56.48 | yggdrasil | okokokook sorry |
| 22:56.52 | dondelelcaro | RolandU: and you're sure that the device isn't in use? eject /dev/foo; doesn't work? |
| 22:57.00 | yggdrasil | thanks |
| 22:57.08 | kvastskaft | stew, modprobe: Can't locate module snd_via82xx |
| 22:57.12 | P^ | RolandU, umount -l /dev/cdrom |
| 22:57.27 | stew | kvastskaft: try this again: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 22:57.33 | kvastskaft | k |
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| 22:58.12 | stew | P^: man mkinitrd ; in the future use make-kpkg with the --initrd option |
| 22:58.33 | RolandU | dondelelcaro, P^, umount said: device is not mounted. eject helped. thanks! |
| 22:58.35 | stew | P^: wait, what kernel version are you building? |
| 22:58.49 | P^ | stew, 2.6.15 |
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| 22:59.19 | vin` | you might need yaird or something now, *shrug* |
| 22:59.23 | StyXman | hi all. I interrupted a nasty aptitude command that tried to remove lots of packeges with C-c several times, and now trying to use aptitude I get this: W: Warning: could not lock the cache file. Opening in read-only mode |
| 22:59.24 | stew | P^: i beileve for 2.6.15 you have to use either yaird or initramfs-tools, those packages provide either mkinitrd.yaird or mkinitrd.initramfs |
| 22:59.38 | creitz | has anybody problems with mount and nfs on unstable since today |
| 22:59.43 | kvastskaft | stew, damn how do i change back to oss :S |
| 22:59.56 | stew | P^: i'd recommend intramfs-tools if you are already a udev user or yaird otherwise |
| 23:00.00 | stew | kvastskaft: why don't you want to use alsa? |
| 23:00.11 | kvastskaft | it doesnt work |
| 23:00.29 | stew | kvastskaft: becuase you didn't follow the directions and install the alsa-modules package for your kernel |
| 23:00.42 | kvastskaft | stew, what directions |
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| 23:01.08 | vin` | kvastskaft: man apt-cache for a start. |
| 23:01.12 | P^ | stew, i have remade the kenel with make-kpkg --initrd. but, that didnt suffice |
| 23:01.23 | vin` | P^: why not? |
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| 23:01.46 | stew | kvastskaft: the ones in /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 23:01.51 | P^ | vin`, i cant find initrd image in either /usr/src/linux or /boot |
| 23:02.08 | kvastskaft | stew, vin, its says that my sounddriver is configurated and that i should use my favorite mixer |
| 23:02.25 | stew | kvastskaft: you should make alsamixer your favorite mixer |
| 23:02.25 | vin` | P^: you don't have to search for the image, did you install the kernel-image-foo.deb? |
| 23:02.52 | elbixio | two days ago i did this "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda" by mistake where sda is my hard drive! |
| 23:02.53 | stew | P^: if you built with --initrd then it would have made the initrd when you installed the .deb or exited with an error when you tried to install |
| 23:02.54 | P^ | vin`, i am compiling it from source |
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| 23:03.03 | elbixio | now i installed debian in another hard drive |
| 23:03.05 | kvastskaft | stew, why is alsa so important for you :D |
| 23:03.09 | vin` | P^: make-kpkg will give you a .deb |
| 23:03.11 | stew | elbixio: yikes. thank goodness for backups |
| 23:03.32 | P^ | vin`, where will that deb file will be there? |
| 23:03.33 | elbixio | when i do "fdisk -l /dev/sda" it lists four partitions |
| 23:03.38 | vin` | P^: .. |
| 23:03.47 | elbixio | stew: the bad thing is that i don't have them! |
| 23:04.00 | stew | kvastskaft: becuase it lets me do things like play sound from multiple apps at once and lets me use iec958 |
| 23:04.01 | vin` | 01:48:48 vin` | P^: .. from where you compiled, it you did it the right way. |
| 23:04.10 | Estes2 | what's faster free of charge way to run windows on linux, qemu ? |
| 23:04.19 | creitz | i can't mount nfs ressources anymore, since mount update on debian sid today, can anybody help me? |
| 23:04.21 | Estes2 | fastest * |
| 23:04.51 | kvastskaft | ah okay |
| 23:05.17 | kvastskaft | stew, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 23:05.34 | HeyJoe | k |
| 23:05.39 | elbixio | could it be possible to recover my info, at leas from one partition? |
| 23:05.54 | P^ | vin`, i have done make-kpkg from /usr/src/linux but i cant find initrd image there |
| 23:05.58 | stew | kvastskaft: what happens when you "modprobe snd_via82xx" ? |
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| 23:06.16 | stew | P^: its not built when you compile, its built when you install |
| 23:06.22 | P^ | vin`, with the --initrd option too |
| 23:06.27 | kvastskaft | stew, modprobe: Can't locate module snd_via82xx |
| 23:06.34 | vin` | P^: did you install the .deb? |
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| 23:06.56 | P^ | stew, vin` i cant find the .deb file :( |
| 23:06.58 | stew | kvastskaft: yeah that's why it doens't work, you STILL haven't installed the alsa-modules package for your kernel |
| 23:06.59 | obscuresoul | hello |
| 23:07.17 | vin` | P^: cd ..; ls |
| 23:07.37 | P^ | vin`, not a single deb file |
| 23:07.49 | kvastskaft | stew, maybe i need to reboot before installing? |
| 23:07.54 | stew | no |
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| 23:08.38 | kvastskaft | its says something when i install: already running... ands stuff |
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| 23:09.02 | vin` | P^: what the last part of the output of make-kpkg? |
| 23:09.07 | stew | kvastskaft: it says what? when you type what command? |
| 23:09.10 | vin` | *was |
| 23:09.22 | kvastskaft | stew, hold on ill post on bastebin |
| 23:10.03 | obscuresoul | which packages contains the lpadmin command? |
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| 23:10.18 | obscuresoul | s/packages/package |
| 23:10.18 | vin` | obscuresoul: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:10.27 | obscuresoul | tks |
| 23:10.29 | P^ | vin`, Please ignore the warning about overriding and ignoring targets above. |
| 23:10.29 | P^ | These are harmless. They are only invoked in a part of the process |
| 23:10.29 | P^ | that tries to snarf variable values for the conf.vars file. |
| 23:10.29 | P^ | echo done > stamp-configure |
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| 23:10.39 | amette | hi all - my MySQL keeps crashing all the time - and I have an uncertain feeling of it being related to my last #aptitude upgrade - after that it started to occur - but I don't remember any upgrades related to MySQL - I already diffed the /var/lib/dpkg/status /var/lib/dpkg/status-old and didn't find anything MySQL related in there - I'm running MySQL 4.1.11 on Debian Sarge |
| 23:10.40 | vin` | heh |
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| 23:11.28 | vin` | P^: don't paste here, put in on a pastebin, /msg dpkg paster |
| 23:11.30 | P^ | vin`, can i PM you the last messages ? |
| 23:12.01 | amette | I have been asking in #mysql already and didn't find any further clue - anyone here got an idea? |
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| 23:12.35 | lala122 | what permissons need a normal user to access a usb camera or wich group does he need to be in? |
| 23:12.53 | stew | lala122: read /usr/share/doc/libgphoto2.2/README.Debian |
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| 23:13.36 | lala122 | stew, thanks |
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| 23:15.48 | amette | can this sources.list give me some instable MySQL? http://sh.nu/p/1171 |
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| 23:16.20 | abrotman | amette: it should .. apt-get intall mysql-server |
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| 23:16.42 | stew | amette: its a bad idea to mix stable with non-stable packages |
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| 23:16.50 | stew | amette: /msg dpkg backports |
| 23:17.17 | stew | amette: and you can ditch the non-US lines, there is no more non-US |
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| 23:18.02 | amette | abrotman : I just issued your command - and I get removed "mysql-server-4.1" and installed "mysql-server" (and client and common) |
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| 23:18.41 | amette | no more non-US - ok, I took that sources.list from the standard distribution my hoster (virtual Server) provided me and I honestly don't remember, what I changed there |
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| 23:19.26 | abrotman | amette: is that a problem ? |
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| 23:19.52 | amette | hmm, why does it want to replace the mysql - if #aptitude upgrade doesn't do anything? |
| 23:19.53 | qhuo | !ping |
| 23:19.53 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:20.07 | stew | amette: i would think that uninstalling mysql-server-4.1 and installing mysql-server would downgrade you to mysql-server 4.0 |
| 23:20.33 | stew | amette: the mysql-server-4.1 you removed was the latest stable mysql-server relased for debian |
| 23:20.35 | qhuo | !ping |
| 23:20.35 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:20.45 | amette | abrotman : not a real problem - but I'm a little confused now - I thought, that I shouldn't get different package, if I do aptitude upgrade or install some special package |
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| 23:21.53 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
| 23:21.53 | abrotman | you asked how to istnall mysql .. i assumed that's what you wanted |
| 23:21.55 | stew | amette: if you installed much from that pkg-grass repository you aren't running stable anymore however, what version does "dpkg -l libc6" report? |
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| 23:22.11 | amette | stew : 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 23:22.13 | nnod | is it a bad idea to mix ubuntu and debian apt sources? |
| 23:22.16 | abrotman | stew: i think there are just a few packages there .. i think that's just a GIS repo |
| 23:22.22 | abrotman | nnod: very very very very bad |
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| 23:22.37 | amette | yes, right - I tried to install mapserver once - that must be, where that line comes from |
| 23:22.48 | nnod | hmm...it might be too late now |
| 23:22.59 | RvGaTe | hi abrotman, always in here huh? :) hows it hanging |
| 23:23.11 | stew | abrotman: many of the packages depend on libc6 2.3.5 however |
| 23:23.11 | abrotman | RvGaTe: just leaving :) |
| 23:23.26 | abrotman | stew: maybe they haven't updated in a while? .. dunno |
| 23:23.32 | StyXman | np: Los Fabulosos Cadillacs/Hola: 10-Mal bicho at 160kbps [0:04 of 4:03] |
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| 23:23.41 | RvGaTe | abrotman: leaving from work, or just leaving the channel? |
| 23:23.42 | stew | abrotman: by they you mean amette? |
| 23:24.09 | abrotman | RvGaTe: from work |
| 23:24.12 | abrotman | stew: yes |
| 23:24.24 | amette | I don't have mapserver running currently - so I don't care about it - can I go to some decent stable debian by just removing lines from my sources.list and doing #aptitude upgrade ? |
| 23:24.39 | RvGaTe | abrotman: what kind of work do you do.. |
| 23:25.02 | kspath | abrotman is an artist |
| 23:25.10 | amette | stew abrotman : I did #aptitude update && upgrade today |
| 23:25.14 | kspath | he paints in php with his toes |
| 23:25.20 | stew | amette: then you should be fully updated |
| 23:25.32 | stew | amette: i recommend you at least change that pkg-grass line from unstable to stable |
| 23:25.34 | abrotman | RvGaTe: i sell babies to perverts like kspath |
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| 23:25.57 | kspath | I then take those babies back to their parents. |
| 23:25.59 | wols | is it a profitable business? I guess the market is huge since there are always perverts? |
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| 23:26.03 | RvGaTe | abrotman: cool... how much do you get payed? :P |
| 23:26.14 | amette | stew : yes, I think so too - but I don't get, why I get a mysql change only, when installing that package explicitly - and why my MySQL crashes all the time :( |
| 23:26.26 | abrotman | RvGaTe: i get paid well enough |
| 23:26.27 | amette | stew : I'll remove that line, thanks |
| 23:26.32 | RvGaTe | abrotman,, in other words, what's your pimp status |
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| 23:27.17 | abrotman | RvGaTe: i pimp F/OSS |
| 23:27.21 | stew | amette: you won't get updates to packages to stable often, only when there are security fixes. stable never gets new versions. if mysql is crashing all of the time, you should first check the bts /msg dpkg bts ; then maybe start checking hardware /msg dpkg memtest |
| 23:27.24 | amette | and removed the non-us lines |
| 23:27.42 | kspath | abrotman: keeps turning out those GNUs |
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| 23:28.35 | kspath | FOSS == Full Of Something Special? /me runs and hides in a bunker built by germans and french |
| 23:28.50 | vin` | smitten by the madGNU virus. |
| 23:28.56 | mgoetze | germans and french building bunkers together? news to me |
| 23:28.57 | RvGaTe | foss is indeed something special |
| 23:28.57 | amette | stew abrotman : ok, I now just do the #aptitude install mysql-server - dunno what will happen, but can't get worse ;) |
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| 23:29.27 | kimo_ | any stock kernel (mm?) has support for Yukon PCI-E LAN card? |
| 23:29.30 | mans123 | Hello everyone |
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| 23:29.56 | amette | Great - it wants to downgrade from 4.1 to 4.0 - and of course can't guarantee, that it can use the tables.... argh |
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| 23:30.19 | lala122 | stew, read the doc, executed the scripts and gthumb already doenst give me authorization to access the device |
| 23:30.27 | kspath | mgoetze: Germans did engineering and French did interior design and installed white flags every 2 meters |
| 23:30.29 | mans123 | Can someone answer a simple question for me please |
| 23:30.32 | lala122 | and it allows root to do so |
| 23:30.33 | amette | why the heck does it want to downgrade in the first place? Why did it install 4.1, if it now doesn't think, that it's the appropriate version?? |
| 23:30.44 | mans123 | I am currntly runnign ubuntu breezy |
| 23:30.47 | RvGaTe | shit, forgot to wave back :P |
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| 23:30.56 | kimo_ | mans123, ask in #ubuntu |
| 23:30.58 | mans123 | i want to add the debian "testing" repos and upgrade |
| 23:31.02 | mans123 | would it be a good idea |
| 23:31.11 | mans123 | no, see i want to move to debian |
| 23:31.21 | stew | lala122: did you log out and back in? |
| 23:31.25 | chealer | mans123: if you want to switch to Debian, reinstall |
| 23:31.25 | mans123 | and i generally think debian guys are cooler |
| 23:31.26 | lala122 | yeah |
| 23:31.27 | mans123 | so... |
| 23:31.30 | kimo_ | mans123, it's not a good idea but it might work, just try it |
| 23:31.31 | lala122 | closed X and opened again |
| 23:31.37 | lala122 | even replugged the device |
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| 23:32.04 | sylvisj | How do I find a PID so I can kill a proggie? |
| 23:32.07 | mans123 | theoritically, all the packages should get upgraded to 'testing' and i would have a working debian system |
| 23:32.14 | lala122 | sylvisj, ps ax |
| 23:32.16 | xixor | sylvisj: ps aux | grep proggie |
| 23:32.16 | stew | mans123: if you install debian packages into your ubuntu system i think you'll find that neither ubuntu nor debian wants to support you. we would recommend you install a fresh copy of debian /msg dpkg d-i |
| 23:32.22 | sylvisj | Thanks |
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| 23:32.28 | unlearn | yes mans 123 debian is the best |
| 23:32.35 | stew | mans123: its a nice theory and all. but we won't support it |
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| 23:32.40 | mans123 | ok... |
| 23:32.41 | mans123 | :) |
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| 23:32.46 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 23:32.49 | XenReborn | i has a major problem |
| 23:33.02 | Hhhhh | can someone give me some of the highlights of debian when compared to other distros? |
| 23:33.09 | stew | Hhhhh: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 23:33.11 | RvGaTe | Xenguy: do we need to start runnung ? |
| 23:33.17 | RvGaTe | *running |
| 23:33.18 | xixor | Hhhhh: chicks dig it. |
| 23:33.23 | mans123 | sorry, this might sound like i want you to defend debian, but if it's better, why is ubuntu so hot |
| 23:33.24 | kspath | !getoosmite Hhhhh |
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| 23:33.39 | mans123 | disclaimer: i was a gentoo hardcore till a week ago |
| 23:33.44 | kspath | !gentoosmite Hhhhh |
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| 23:33.51 | bleaked | could someone refer me to a nice dmix guide..the one dpkg referred me to doesn't make sense to me. |
| 23:34.03 | XenReborn | i got a debian box up and running with Samba, twas working great for the longest time, then i edited the fstab file, and screwed something up, now it freezes when it gets to the part where the net protocal family 5 stack is loading |
| 23:34.03 | Hhhhh | heh, I don't run Gentoo |
| 23:34.05 | stew | mans123: ubuntu is much nicer for people who are newer to linux |
| 23:34.17 | kspath | Hhhhh: you wanted comparison? |
| 23:34.27 | mans123 | yeah, thats why i hate it already |
| 23:34.31 | Hhhhh | yea, mainly with RPM distros like Fedora and SUSE |
| 23:34.31 | RvGaTe | mans123: i think ubuntu is so hot becouse its more user friendly and comes with a standard GUI |
| 23:34.36 | xixor | XenReborn : thats probably not a debian specific problem. If you screw with the fstab file you can easily screw up any distro :) |
| 23:34.40 | unlearn | yes ubuntu works 4 new linux users |
| 23:35.04 | XenReborn | xixor: well i booted in with knoppix and edited it and well... casplat |
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| 23:35.12 | kspath | Hhhhh: apt-get install appname , apt-cache search app/description keyword, apt-file search appname |
| 23:35.14 | xixor | Hhhhh: I haven't used redhat in a few years, but I've always found the debian package system to be light years ahead of any other distros |
| 23:35.15 | XenReborn | xixor: i'd think i'd at least get a kernel panic or something |
| 23:35.15 | lala122 | stew, should i restart? |
| 23:35.21 | mans123 | but if i switch to debian, would there be any problems with the repos ets, compared to ubuntu i mean |
| 23:35.38 | mans123 | i really like a cutting edge system and i like to play around a LOT |
| 23:35.48 | lala122 | well will do an dist-upgrade and then try again |
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| 23:35.50 | lala122 | stew, thanks anyway |
| 23:35.51 | lala122 | cya |
| 23:35.56 | unlearn | no mans123 debian got lots of repos |
| 23:35.57 | mans123 | i mean gentoo was working out for me so far, but i got bored |
| 23:36.02 | unlearn | plus the backports |
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| 23:36.13 | chealer | mans123: what do you mean, are you still talking about "switching to Debian" from Ubuntu without reinstalling? |
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| 23:36.23 | kspath | mans123: well debian stable is stable you may want testing/etch but it would be best to run stable for a week or two |
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| 23:36.28 | bleaked | RvGaTe. package repositories. |
| 23:36.29 | mans123 | no no, dropped that |
| 23:36.38 | cievo | hello all :) |
| 23:36.39 | xixor | Hhhhh: however, I haven't used ubuuntu at all. No need, debian is solid. |
| 23:36.42 | mans123 | ok |
| 23:36.46 | RvGaTe | bleaked: and that is...? |
| 23:36.54 | unlearn | yup debian is my kind of OS |
| 23:36.57 | chealer | mans123: so why would there be problems in Debian compared to Ubuntu? |
| 23:36.58 | mans123 | how are the ubuntu repos compared to gentoo? |
| 23:37.00 | XenReborn | xixor: why would it freeze at loading the net protocal ? |
| 23:37.07 | cievo | all...anyone know any shapping library to apache1.3.x? |
| 23:37.11 | xixor | XenReborn : I have no idea :) |
| 23:37.11 | unlearn | i have tried lots of distros but debian did it 4 me |
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| 23:37.23 | XenReborn | xixor: grr lol |
| 23:37.27 | RvGaTe | unlearn: we are on the same line :D |
| 23:37.29 | kspath | mans123: This is NOT ubuntu that question would be for #ubuntu |
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| 23:37.36 | bleaked | RvGaTe. um..the servers in your /etc/apt/sources.list file..where apt grabs the binaries for all of the programs on your system. |
| 23:37.41 | chealer | cievo: any #apache to ask? |
| 23:37.48 | unlearn | yea we are kspath |
| 23:37.50 | mans123 | excuse me |
| 23:37.55 | cievo | chealer: just trying here my luck ;) |
| 23:38.11 | RvGaTe | bleaked: ah, k, thx :) (thumbs up) |
| 23:38.11 | nimak | RvGaTe, internet sources for programs and other stuff you might want to install |
| 23:38.11 | mans123 | i meant debian repos, compared to gentoo |
| 23:38.11 | xixor | XenReborn: fstab has to do with file systems |
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| 23:38.23 | xixor | XenReborn : so it may be that it is locking because it can't load a module or read a file that is located on a partition that isn't being mounted |
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| 23:38.38 | XenReborn | thank you! |
| 23:38.38 | chealer | mans123: if you can't clarify your question, consider reading the APT HOWTO |
| 23:38.39 | XenReborn | :) |
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| 23:38.54 | kspath | unlearn: I was talking to mans123 regarding : mans123> how are the ubuntu repos compared to gentoo? |
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| 23:39.16 | bleaked | unlearn. could you recommend a good repository for the latest & greatest..i've been using sid, but it's not fast enough for me :] |
| 23:39.42 | LinuxNIT- | what package is gdmflexiserver a part of? i cant seem to find it in apt |
| 23:39.53 | stew | LinuxNIT-: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:39.54 | Azar | bleaked, repositories are not "fast" your connection might be fast |
| 23:40.08 | bleaked | kspath. just due to design, gentoo will most likely have newer software..however, it's because you do the compiling..binaries aren't offered to you (besides a few here and there) |
| 23:40.24 | unlearn | yea bleaked i can |
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| 23:40.36 | kspath | bleaked: I know what gentoo is. That is why I do not use it. |
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| 23:40.57 | bleaked | Azar. i was refering to the rate of update. i've been waiting for amarok 1.4 for a while now..other apps too.. |
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| 23:41.19 | bleaked | kspath. well ok, i was answering your question too though. |
| 23:41.22 | chealer | bleaked: hah. |
| 23:41.29 | Azar | bleaked then use sid |
| 23:41.31 | unlearn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.21 | bleaked | Azar. it's the only thing i've ever used. i guess i was just fishing for a more frequently updated third-party repository if it existed. |
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| 23:42.41 | Azar | bleaked "the latest" packages are not tested, most likely are buggy, and do not have security support |
| 23:42.56 | kspath | bleaked: Did you read the line? I was explaining to someone else who also did not read the entire line of text why I was telling someone else something. |
| 23:43.00 | mans123 | ok, what do most of you guys use, sarge, sid, or etch ? |
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| 23:43.00 | bonez39 | I have two machines..one running deb 3.1, the other win98se... on lan...connected through linksys RT31P2 router..... |
| 23:43.03 | LinuxNIT- | steri, im not gettin anything from dpkg |
| 23:43.17 | bonez39 | i CAN access the net, clearly....but can't see the windows machine .... |
| 23:43.43 | Azar | bonez39: crossover cable instead of ethernet between the 2 machines |
| 23:43.46 | unlearn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.05 | kimo_ | can I apt-get the mm kernel |
| 23:44.20 | yggdrasil | ok guys so i went a head and swithced over to unstable packages. and ... |
| 23:44.23 | yggdrasil | im gettin gthis error |
| 23:44.23 | bleaked | Azar. i'm well aware of that. i like experimenting with the lastest software. i used gentoo for two years for that reason, but i'm tired of compiling. i like debian. i don't like the distros based off of it. |
| 23:44.26 | vin` | kimo_: roll your own. |
| 23:44.41 | Azar | unlearn you have to know that sarge is a "frozen" distro, secure, stable but uses only tested packages. The "latest" packages will not be found on sarge repositories |
| 23:44.41 | yggdrasil | whats the pastebin |
| 23:44.41 | stew | mans123: all three |
| 23:44.44 | yggdrasil | around ehre ? |
| 23:44.52 | stew | !tell LinuxNIT- about search |
| 23:44.57 | unlearn | k |
| 23:45.00 | kimo_ | vin`, so it's not in unstable even ? |
| 23:45.01 | stew | yggdrasil: /msg dpkg paste |
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| 23:45.14 | unlearn | well i added a backport to my sources list |
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| 23:45.18 | mans123 | i think i would use testing |
| 23:45.25 | mans123 | how soon is it updated? |
| 23:45.29 | stew | mans123: daily |
| 23:45.34 | mans123 | cool |
| 23:45.39 | unlearn | will that work fine azar? |
| 23:45.43 | vin` | kimo_: only stable kernel versions are available, no mm or ac etc. |
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| 23:45.50 | kspath | mans123: things break in testing just not nearly as often and not nearly as much. |
| 23:45.51 | mans123 | that would make it pretty much like gentoo, without the compiling |
| 23:45.56 | stew | mans123: but the packages live in testing for at least a few days before they move to testing, then only do when they are free of rc bugs |
| 23:45.58 | Azar | unlearn, if someday you will notice some package stops working you will know why |
| 23:46.11 | stew | mans123: s/live in testing/live in unstable/ |
| 23:46.25 | unlearn | k. so u use sid azar? |
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| 23:46.31 | yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.35 | mans123 | ok |
| 23:46.38 | kspath | unlearn: backports are not supported by security like official debian repository stuff is. |
| 23:46.42 | Azar | unlearn, no I only use sarge with packages provided for sarge |
| 23:46.44 | yggdrasil | its gota dependencies all screwed up |
| 23:46.51 | unlearn | k |
| 23:47.09 | mans123 | stew: could you paste your sources.list for me? |
| 23:47.24 | stew | yggdrasil: don't mix stable and non-stable packages |
| 23:47.26 | vin` | yggdrasil: are you using debian? |
| 23:47.37 | kspath | !tell mans123 about paste |
| 23:47.50 | stew | mans123: why? i have many, what do you want to know? |
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| 23:47.55 | Azar | unlearn, if you are new at Debian, read this article: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html |
| 23:48.05 | unlearn | thnx azar |
| 23:48.06 | RvGaTe | im getting myself some cafaiene.. or however yo spell it... |
| 23:48.16 | LinuxNIT- | thanks stew |
| 23:48.30 | mans123 | just that usually i have to spend a lot of time making a comprehensive sources.list |
| 23:48.31 | bleaked | caffeine |
| 23:48.31 | yggdrasil | yes guys debian |
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| 23:48.42 | stew | mans123: |
| 23:48.47 | mans123 | usually end up taking it from some experienced user.... |
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| 23:49.36 | vin` | yggdrasil: switched over completely to unstable? |
| 23:49.36 | stew | mans123: just ask here when there is a package that you dont' find that you think you should find. most people do just fine with the official repositories, and marillat /msg dpkg marillat |
| 23:49.45 | stew | mans123: and maybe contrib and non-free |
| 23:49.51 | kspath | mans123: Umm, do you have any idea what someone can do to you/your box by feeding you owned repositories? |
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| 23:50.19 | freddy | I'm trying to setup scgi, but scgi_server.py wont start. Has any body here successfully set this up and can help me? |
| 23:50.29 | mans123 | yeah, ok |
| 23:50.32 | mans123 | thanks |
| 23:50.52 | kspath | mans123: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-get install debtags; debtags update |
| 23:51.29 | vin` | kspath: after all that work, why didn't he use apt-file search? |
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| 23:51.40 | Azar | mans123 the general stanza of a source is deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib << for stable meaning 1. url / debian 2. / distro version / 3. optional non-free contrib |
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| 23:52.38 | kspath | mans123: apt-cache search "fileordescription" , apt-file search "packagename", .... you get the idea |
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| 23:53.00 | kspath | vin` I do not know. Tired after all that perhaps. |
| 23:53.02 | mans123 | yeah, thanks |
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| 23:53.07 | mans123 | i had an idea about that |
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| 23:53.15 | vin` | right. ;) |
| 23:53.16 | yggdrasil | vin i was just trying to do that |
| 23:53.27 | yggdrasil | i switched and i did dist-upgrade |
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| 23:53.31 | Azar | starting with the sarge release aptitude is now recommended instead of apt-get when you upgrade the distribution: aptitude dist-upgrade , when you install a new kernel. I only use apt-get for small packages, games..etc |
| 23:53.33 | yggdrasil | and it ended with that x11 message |
| 23:53.40 | vin` | yggdrasil: try aptitude, hit '?' for a quick primer. |
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| 23:53.50 | yggdrasil | ? |
| 23:53.52 | golly | in Kdialog, how do I put the current date/time into the --msgbox output?? |
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| 23:54.06 | cheal | golly: ask #kde / #debian-kde |
| 23:54.07 | vin` | yggdrasil: ? in aptitude, not here. |
| 23:54.22 | yggdrasil | ya |
| 23:54.25 | yggdrasil | oh that looks cool |
| 23:54.25 | Azar | http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html vin` |
| 23:54.33 | yggdrasil | aight well im gona boogie out of work and .. ill |
| 23:54.34 | freddy | when I try to start scgi_server.py, I get: 'ImportError: No module named scgi' |
| 23:54.38 | yggdrasil | get back on when im at homes |
| 23:54.45 | golly | cheal no one in kde will try kde-debian |
| 23:55.16 | cheal | golly: what do you mean? |
| 23:55.23 | cheal | golly: oh |
| 23:55.31 | cheal | golly: as you want |
| 23:55.35 | golly | cheal noone's home |
| 23:56.05 | RvGaTe | back :D full with caffeine (thx bleaked) |
| 23:56.06 | Azar | :( some of the games I got do not work well.. oh well |
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| 23:56.35 | vin` | Azar: so nothing worth a try? |
| 23:56.39 | stew | freddy: how are you trying to start it? |
| 23:56.45 | Azar | vin`: try what? |
| 23:56.53 | vin` | Azar: a game. |
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| 23:57.13 | Azar | vin`: I have games only some of them are not running ok, I guess I did not configure X properly |
| 23:57.20 | RvGaTe | my opinion about games: linux isn't designed for gaming... you play games on windows, and do server stuff on linux :) |
| 23:57.23 | freddy | stew: python /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/scgi/scgi_server.py |
| 23:57.36 | Azar | RvGaTe: I got cool games |
| 23:57.44 | RvGaTe | so do i :) |
| 23:57.50 | vin` | Azar: like which ones? |
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| 23:58.21 | RvGaTe | none i guess :P |
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