| 00:00.10 | Azar | nethack, supertux, penguin command, frozen balls, lbreakout2, technoballz, enigma, gem drop X, trackballs, toppler, xgammon, pathological, stratagus |
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| 00:00.27 | RvGaTe | Azar: any 3d shooters? |
| 00:00.30 | RvGaTe | :) |
| 00:00.53 | HeyJoe | noob ?...I just downloaded realplayer and ran chmod a+x to make it executable. Now I get the message "to open the file, rename the file to the correct extenstion for executable. then open the file normally" . But now I can't rename it. I get the message that "Bareword "RealPlayer10Gold not allowed while strict subs in use |
| 00:00.53 | HeyJoe | [18:58] <HeyJoe> on Debian |
| 00:00.54 | HeyJoe | [19:00] <HeyJoe> filename is RealPlayer10Gold.bin and i was trying to rename it to RealPlayer10Gold no extension, thats the way the rest of the files are in the bin folder |
| 00:00.57 | Azar | RvGaTe: my card can't hold 3D but I guess I could try Doom2 |
| 00:01.20 | Azar | something wrong with the 3D accelleration, I will have to figure out what I did wrong |
| 00:01.29 | cheal | HeyJoe: Realplayer isn't supported here. try google |
| 00:01.35 | RvGaTe | Azer, hmm, but you do agree that, if you're a gamer, you need windows instead of linux? |
| 00:01.43 | niggy | realprayer more liek it |
| 00:02.00 | RvGaTe | or you could use whine... |
| 00:02.09 | pokute_ | But doesn't linux have UT2004? That's like big portion of needed fps'. |
| 00:02.14 | Azar | trackballs go cool, is a 3D but Chromium does not respond |
| 00:02.23 | niggy | lol @ playing pc games on linux |
| 00:02.42 | Azar | RvGaTe: I am not a gamer, but I like to play from time to time |
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| 00:03.07 | RvGaTe | Azer.. hmm, i'm a gamer, running all windows clients.. but i swear to linux servers.. :) |
| 00:03.08 | Azar | RvGaTe: if Id be a gamer, Id have at least 256MB on my video, I only have 128 |
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| 00:03.41 | Azar | RvGaTe: you would be amazed how cool games are there, you only need a powerful video card |
| 00:04.06 | Azar | to play hard games on a 128MB card is obscene |
| 00:04.24 | RvGaTe | Azar: true, but every game in store is designed for windows... |
| 00:04.40 | RvGaTe | since they expect you to run windows |
| 00:04.56 | Azar | RvGaTe: eh you haven't seen the linux games, thousands of them, only you do not see them in the store, they are not for $$ sale |
| 00:05.02 | pokute_ | RvGaTe: Not that true. Especially 3d engine foundation games (Doom3, UT2004) run on linux. |
| 00:05.03 | Azar | :) |
| 00:05.35 | freddy | stew: hey sorry, I've figured it out. I needed to run with python2.4. Thanks. |
| 00:05.41 | Azar | in fact I have no problem buying games, only I figured out those sold in the stores are filled with obscene spyware and ads |
| 00:06.01 | starfishy | i just bought a linux game, no spyware and no ads :) |
| 00:06.03 | Azar | they phone "home" too |
| 00:06.31 | RvGaTe | Azar... why would they sell stuff with spyware... |
| 00:06.52 | Azar | RvGaTe: one day you will figure it out |
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| 00:06.59 | RvGaTe | maybe i will :( |
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| 00:08.00 | pokute_ | Azar: What prevents selling a linux game with spyware? |
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| 00:09.20 | RvGaTe | lool |
| 00:09.22 | RvGaTe | you guys got my last message ? |
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| 00:10.41 | sphenxes | I have a german keyboard, I would like to change it from US to german. I can do after log in but How can I have a german keyboard on login too. It types y instead of z on username and password and that is difficult to work with it. "newbie" |
| 00:10.42 | mrex | trying to set up raid 0: 2 hd's, via raid controller. partitions are sda1:(ntfs, fat32 - size X), sda2(ext3,swap,fat32-size X). how do i get the two (equally sized) fat partitions to raid, using hardware raid? |
| 00:12.26 | Azar | pokute_ firstly I would only use games designed for the version of Debian I am using: this way I would not worry about dependencies, security bugs..etc. Most likely a new game that is not in the repositories, is prone to have bugs |
| 00:12.41 | mrex | sphenxes, you need to change the keymap - that is part of the console-common/data packages (i think) |
| 00:13.06 | sphenxes | mrex, sorry how can I change it |
| 00:13.22 | mrex | as root, dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 00:13.32 | sphenxes | mrex, thanks |
| 00:13.48 | RvGaTe | lol, how can i see when my brother is downloading something http://pc.rvgate.nl/ <- :P |
| 00:14.05 | HeyJoe | OK let me try this. I installed FF on Debian and was trying to download the realplayer plugin. Can i get FF plugins thru apt-get or have to go the other route? |
| 00:14.29 | Coweater | some plugins are available |
| 00:14.39 | kreg | man, why do gtk apps always have to appear so HUGE. my laptop supports 1024x768, and gtk stuff is always looking like it's using an 800x600 desktop |
| 00:14.47 | kreg | like gaim or firefox |
| 00:14.52 | Azar | HeyJoe: realplayer is a non-free and related packages will not be found with apt-get |
| 00:14.53 | markybob | HeyJoe, get realplayer from marillat with apt-get |
| 00:15.07 | Coweater | kreg: desktop space is unlimited, virtual desktops++ |
| 00:15.25 | kreg | Coweater doesn't mean i want to see only one application at a time on "a" desktop |
| 00:15.49 | kreg | is there a gtk control center? i'd like to shink the space the graphics use up |
| 00:16.12 | Coweater | ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 00:16.27 | Coweater | you can muck with all sorts of padding and fonts in there |
| 00:16.27 | kspath | kreg: try naim instead of gaim or pork or centericq and galeon with bars closed and use ctrl-t for new tabs and ctrl-l to input urls |
| 00:16.30 | chaedaeX | kreg: switch and switch2 part of gtk-theme-switch package |
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| 00:17.08 | chaedaeX | kreg: plus obviously you'd want to have some different gtk(2) themes installed |
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| 00:17.18 | Coweater | gaim has a small buddy list mode if you disable showing details |
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| 00:18.42 | MrBallZ | I have a question, and it's also for myself ... do we stick to Debian ,because of the stability or packages support, even though we would like to have the newest versions of several packages ??? |
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| 00:19.24 | Coweater | MrBallZ: the reasons would be too numerous to list |
| 00:19.40 | markybob | !why debian |
| 00:19.40 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 00:19.45 | kspath | kreg: there is also dillo for most basic web browsing |
| 00:19.46 | markybob | now leave us alone |
| 00:19.47 | cheal | !tell MrBallZ about ep |
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| 00:20.02 | RvGaTe | hmm, just noticed that my local time on my debian server is wrong... what whas the command to sync it with a timeserver... |
| 00:20.13 | arsen | ntpdate |
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| 00:20.22 | MrBallZ | =) |
| 00:20.22 | arsen | timeserver ;x |
| 00:20.27 | stew | MrBallZ: don't forget the freedom! |
| 00:20.29 | kspath | assuming ntpdate is install |
| 00:20.45 | RvGaTe | yeah its installed, just forgot the command |
| 00:20.48 | arielhi | hello i was wondering if anyone could help me i installed ubuntu and the xorg file didn't detect my correct display and it won't start gdm and now i am running knoppix to try to get help |
| 00:20.55 | MrBallZ | stew: mmmm, comparing it to Kubuntu ... what would be the loose? |
| 00:20.56 | stew | arielhi: #ubuntu |
| 00:21.00 | MrBallZ | *loss ??? |
| 00:21.00 | markybob | arielhi, then go to #ubuntu or #knoppix |
| 00:21.02 | boogie | help with ubuntu? hahahaha |
| 00:21.21 | MrBallZ | hahahaha, |
| 00:21.22 | arielhi | ok then how do i install debian when it doesn't recognize my sata hd |
| 00:21.25 | boogie | boogie? i thought I was thingfish. |
| 00:21.42 | markybob | arielhi, then you dont. |
| 00:21.48 | chaedaeX | arielhi: did you try booting the installer with linux2.6 option? |
| 00:21.59 | gravity | arielhi: Use the d-i beta installer? |
| 00:22.02 | arielhi | i am a newbie i don't know much about linux |
| 00:22.19 | kspath | arielhi: you are lost, #ubuntu in down that hall and down 19.5 flights of stairs. Look for the 2nd door on the right labelled girls washroom |
| 00:22.22 | gravity | arielhi: Why not just go ask for help in the correct channel for your distro? |
| 00:22.45 | arsen | dont flame him for using ubuntu. |
| 00:22.58 | arsen | clearly he moved to it after deb failed to find his sata drive. |
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| 00:23.07 | arielhi | i would have installed debian but it didn't install because it didn't recognize my hd or are you listening |
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| 00:23.14 | thingfish | death to ubuntu and ubuntu users. :/ |
| 00:23.15 | arsen | ^ |
| 00:23.16 | gravity | It's fine if he uses Ubuntu. There's no problem. But he should go get help in the appropriate place for it. That's all. |
| 00:23.35 | kspath | arielhl: That does not resolve the problem of being in the WRONG CHANNEL for ubuntu support. |
| 00:23.37 | arsen | its like someone mentions ubuntu and everyone will instantly jump on them ;x |
| 00:23.52 | kspath | !ubuntusmite arsen |
| 00:23.55 | gravity | arsen: This is the wrong place for help on ubuntu. |
| 00:23.59 | gravity | arsen: It's pretty simple |
| 00:24.15 | MrBallZ | hahaah |
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| 00:24.25 | arsen | ok, so it is, but it doesnt require flaming, and when he asks for deb help, it doesnt mean yu continue to moan about ubuntu.. |
| 00:24.35 | obscuresoul | the package gnome-netstatus-applet is it only for ethernet? or is it for wireless lan too? |
| 00:24.46 | gravity | arsen: No one flamed him. |
| 00:24.56 | arsen | fine, agressive. |
| 00:25.08 | gravity | arsen: Telling someone to go to #ubuntu is not aggressive |
| 00:25.08 | Azar | ATI slammed for lack of Linux support: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29864 |
| 00:25.13 | stew | arsen: if you have a problem with the channel policy or the actions of a particluar user please discuss it in private with a channel op |
| 00:25.14 | arsen | dismissive, laughing. |
| 00:25.19 | kspath | There are ALL kinds of resources for ubuntu assistance. they have an irc channel and forums and wikis and faqs and guides and user-friendly this and that crawling up your butt. Why on earth go to a channel not for your version of linux?!?!?! |
| 00:25.20 | thingfish | well, we don't much care for derivative distros in here. |
| 00:25.21 | gravity | arsen: Dude, is this #ubuntu? |
| 00:25.22 | mesaboogie1 | !ndiswrapper |
| 00:25.22 | dpkg | it has been said that ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 00:25.35 | markybob | cry us a river. seriously. |
| 00:25.42 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:25.46 | gravity | arsen: Tell you what... how about you spend the next year in here every night and politely redirect every ubuntu user to #ubuntu |
| 00:25.52 | gravity | arsen: We'll see how long you last |
| 00:26.04 | arielhi | so does anyone know how i can install debian on a sata hd when it isn't recognized in the install prog? |
| 00:26.06 | arsen | now target me ?:) |
| 00:26.14 | gravity | arsen: The truth hurts |
| 00:26.20 | arsen | believe me, ive done worse, for longer. |
| 00:26.24 | kspath | !target arsen |
| 00:26.27 | thingfish | "let 'em all go to hell, except for Cave 76." |
| 00:26.30 | chaedaeX | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.08 | arielhi | chaedaex how do i do that? |
| 00:27.11 | kreg | wow gtk-theme-switch2 and using a smaller font setting did the trick |
| 00:27.12 | kreg | thank you! |
| 00:27.14 | chaedaeX | give the fish, smack across the head with the fish, still oblivious, hopeless.. |
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| 00:27.51 | Azar | why ubuntu users can't understand they cannot use commands, files, directories, and typical debian procedures on their operating systems? |
| 00:27.55 | kspath | kreg: see there are people that know stuff. I wish I was one of them. |
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| 00:28.59 | arsen | arielhi when booting the install cd, press the corresponding key at the boot prompt to give boot options. |
| 00:29.00 | duckdown | Hi all.. I just did a stock installation (uname -r displays 2.6.15-1-686) but I need to compile a madwifi-ng driver, and a prism54 driver, but neither will work because there is no kernel source. I did an apt-get install linux-source-2.6.15 but in order for that to become my kernel I would have to recompile (which I really don't want to do right now) Can someone help a new user out :) |
| 00:29.05 | cheal | Azar: your question doesn't make much sense |
| 00:29.14 | chaedaeX | arielhi: in general, read things in front of you and think |
| 00:29.21 | kreg | kspath me too |
| 00:29.27 | kreg | >: D |
| 00:29.30 | markybob | duckdown, apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` should allow you to compile drivers |
| 00:29.33 | kspath | hehehe |
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| 00:29.38 | VolVE | hey all, random question: is there any way to figure out how much stress/watts a power supply is outputting? I have a file server with 7 drives and a single PSU and I'm not sure how many more drives I can install before upgrading the power supply... |
| 00:29.54 | duckdown | markybob: Excellent, thanks mate |
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| 00:31.15 | MrBallZ | Azar: what do you mean, by not using debian comands in ub***u |
| 00:31.19 | kspath | If I protray Mark Shuttleworth in a catoon will #ubuntu come in here and burn everything? |
| 00:31.26 | kspath | portray |
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| 00:31.50 | cheal | kspath: ask #ubuntu |
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| 00:33.07 | RvGaTe | strange, when i do: ntpdate time.windows.com > /dev/null it works, but when i ad it to crontab, it doesn't... (* * * * * <command>) |
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| 00:33.36 | daw | hi |
| 00:33.43 | daw | where I can find yacc?? |
| 00:33.50 | arielhi | are xorg and XF86-config files the same? |
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| 00:34.05 | stew | RvGaTe: install ntp-simple |
| 00:34.28 | stew | daw: apt-cache search yacc |
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| 00:34.31 | RvGaTe | what does it do compared with the normal ntpdate |
| 00:34.37 | gravity | daw: bison |
| 00:34.41 | Azar | MrBallz how could you guide a newbie ubuntu user coming here asking for support with xorg? |
| 00:35.18 | stew | RvGaTe: it will run it periodically and track your clock drift |
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| 00:36.27 | obscuresoul | the package gnome-netstatus-applet is it only for ethernet? or is it for wireless lan too? |
| 00:36.45 | MrBallZ | is it true that if you go Ubun** that you'll forget what linux really is ... because all the bells and whistles and the cute factor ? and not using the command shell ... or anything ?? |
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| 00:37.16 | kspath | MrBallZ: no, but this is the wrong channel to ask. |
| 00:37.21 | arsen | careful, someone will tell you.. |
| 00:37.22 | arsen | oh, too late. |
| 00:37.24 | arsen | xD |
| 00:37.30 | markybob | obscuresoul, if you had just tried it thirty minutes ago when you first asked, you'd know by now. it does both |
| 00:37.33 | arsen | ITS OK TO HAVE OPINIONS. |
| 00:37.33 | kspath | !target arsen |
| 00:37.36 | arsen | ;o |
| 00:37.48 | MrBallZ | kspath: im just making stuff up ... |
| 00:38.07 | Azar | I have an opinion too: install debian |
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| 00:38.12 | MrBallZ | is it true that if you use ubuntu ... eventually your balls will shrink and fall off your crotch ? |
| 00:38.20 | gravity | MrBallZ: Stop trolling now pleae |
| 00:38.23 | gravity | please even |
| 00:38.25 | MrBallZ | ok ok |
| 00:38.28 | RvGaTe | stew: how often does it update? |
| 00:38.37 | cheal | MrBallZ: ask #ubuntu |
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| 00:39.08 | obscuresoul | markybob, ok tks |
| 00:41.41 | kookaburra | arsen- what if bunches and bunches of debian users constantly headed over to the ubuntu # asking *debian* specific questions like ubuntu was *debian*. |
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| 00:42.20 | kookaburra | or better example - what if fedora users constantly did the same thing in the ubuntu #? it's the same thing |
| 00:42.26 | arsen | he wasnt, if you cant see he was joking.. .. lol. |
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| 00:43.04 | kookaburra | no but that kind of crap happens all the time here. it gets old. |
| 00:43.06 | intx | what's regex for 'not?' |
| 00:43.13 | parsek_77 | hi all, how can I check the exact date of my linux installation? |
| 00:43.24 | dvs | intx: Isn't it "^"? |
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| 00:44.04 | bust3r | hey |
| 00:44.11 | bust3r | i got a questiom |
| 00:44.15 | bust3r | question also |
| 00:44.17 | raf256[laptop] | which windows manager is very lightweight? |
| 00:44.20 | raf256[laptop] | !ask |
| 00:44.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:44.23 | bust3r | fluxbox |
| 00:44.26 | intx | dvs: maybe :) thanks |
| 00:44.33 | dvs | intx: good luck |
| 00:44.46 | Coweater | ratpoison |
| 00:44.51 | gravity | pwm |
| 00:44.53 | gravity | ion3 |
| 00:44.56 | cheal | parsek_77: try checking the creation date of a installer log |
| 00:45.08 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:45.15 | raf256[laptop] | ok, thanks |
| 00:45.15 | parsek_77 | cheal: where is it located? |
| 00:45.23 | bust3r | if i have 2 nic's connected to eachother like one in my debian box wich functions as a firewall/gateway/router and the other on a xp machine |
| 00:45.29 | bust3r | their gbit nics |
| 00:45.30 | cheal | parsek_77: try /var/log/installer |
| 00:45.42 | bust3r | should i have 1000mbit speeds ? cause i get 100mbit |
| 00:45.51 | raf256[laptop] | pentium II 450 Mhz 256 ram 2 GB should do a nice server (https,ssh,svn,email,ftp)? |
| 00:45.53 | RvGaTe | stew: not working tho :P |
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| 00:46.14 | RvGaTe | stew: doesn't update the time after i changed it a bit |
| 00:46.42 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:47.25 | bust3r | sure raf256[laptop] but the webserver cant handle allot then like heavy websites |
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| 00:47.31 | Petaris | Anyone know if there is a package called setuidperl, and where it might exist? |
| 00:47.33 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.35 | bust3r | i run a 400mhz amd k6-III without problems |
| 00:47.53 | raf256[laptop] | kspath: yes |
| 00:47.57 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.05 | raf256[laptop] | bust3r: no, more of hobby home site |
| 00:48.12 | bust3r | ya that should do it |
| 00:48.15 | bust3r | i got that too |
| 00:48.17 | raf256[laptop] | neat |
| 00:48.20 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.25 | bust3r | its even my router and gateway and stuff |
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| 00:48.32 | raf256[laptop] | kspath: ? |
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| 00:49.02 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.28 | raf256[laptop] | kspath: ok I will check out |
| 00:49.30 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.46 | stew | RvGaTe: it adjusts it gradually |
| 00:50.00 | Petaris | nevermind |
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| 00:50.05 | bust3r | anybody knows why i have 100mbit speeds while both nics (linked to eachother are gbit nics) |
| 00:50.18 | RvGaTe | stew.. ah, explains why it set it 3 hours back :P |
| 00:50.22 | intx | what's regex for 'not 4 digits in a row?' |
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| 00:50.25 | dvs | bust3r: The cable? |
| 00:50.31 | RvGaTe | stew: why it didn't do that :) |
| 00:50.40 | bust3r | dvs its a cat5e cable wich should do gbit |
| 00:50.44 | kspath | wow Petaris did not have much patience |
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| 00:50.54 | dvs | bust3r: That's ok then |
| 00:51.20 | bust3r | yea but why does it 100mbit and not gbit , winxp also says its on gigabit setting |
| 00:51.27 | bust3r | but no 1000mbit just 100 |
| 00:51.55 | kspath | Petaris: apt-cache search setuid garners : perl-suid - Runs setuid Perl scripts |
| 00:52.07 | stew | RvGaTe: if your clock is off by a lot, ntp will assume there is a problem and not touch it, afaik |
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| 00:53.43 | kspath | RvGaTe: some people stop ntpd then run ntpdate then start ntpd again or tell ntpd to force update and openntpd has such an option in its config |
| 00:54.41 | kspath | With any luck servers will be able to get little atomic clock cards in the next 5 years or less |
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| 00:55.45 | kspath | They are not actually the traditional atomic clock but they are more than accurate enough for any normal servers |
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| 00:57.46 | kspath | was it cesium gas trapped and then laser is used? I lost my URL for that |
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| 00:58.58 | kspath | R. Lutwak, et al., 2003, The Chip-Scale Atomic Clock |
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| 01:01.12 | kspath | Looks like MIT did work on it and funded by DARPA in part |
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| 01:01.31 | wn_ | hey guys, I am trying to setup my smtp server and within the box I can see port 25 open, but external of the box it isn't open. How do I fix this? |
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| 01:02.18 | kspath | wn_: start by giving all necessary information? firewall? exim? sendmail? postfix? qmail? ..... |
| 01:02.24 | sanity | anyone know how to output a sequence of bytes (eg. 3, 4, 5) to a file/pipe from bash? |
| 01:02.25 | dvs | wn_: ISP... |
| 01:02.27 | wn_ | well exim is installed |
| 01:02.29 | wn_ | so is postfix |
| 01:02.36 | kspath | wn_ : no |
| 01:02.44 | wn_ | isp is us, no ports blocked |
| 01:02.45 | sanity | echo -n \003\004\005 > file.bin doesn't seem to work |
| 01:03.13 | wn_ | no firewall |
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| 01:03.51 | ndondek | sanity: printf "\003\004\005" > finle.bin |
| 01:04.05 | wn_ | ooh nevermind, postfix ins't installed |
| 01:04.21 | dvs | !smite wn_ |
| 01:04.45 | wn_ | ok, so exim is installed |
| 01:05.03 | mans123 | what is the difference between 'testing' and 'experimental' branch? |
| 01:05.03 | richard_ | how can i install lexmar z710? |
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| 01:05.35 | stew | mans123: experimental isn't a branch, its a place to put a small subset of packages which are too unstable to even be put in unstable |
| 01:05.43 | mans123 | oh |
| 01:05.44 | mans123 | ok |
| 01:05.49 | kspath | wn_ dpkg-reconfigure exim I think will help you |
| 01:05.54 | dvs | mans123: Testing is suppose to be releasable at any point in time. experimental are preliminary packages which havent made it into any distro |
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| 01:07.49 | wn_ | just removing exim and installing postfix fixed it (: |
| 01:08.12 | kspath | wn_ wow you are brilliant |
| 01:08.13 | wn_ | so does postfix do the exact same thing as exim? postfix seems alot easier |
| 01:08.23 | wn_ | kspath, thanks, took me years of learning |
| 01:08.38 | kspath | wn_ no but it is also an MTA not unlike sendmail or qmail |
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| 01:09.04 | broomy | anybody knows where the configurations files of bittorrents are located? |
| 01:09.04 | kspath | wn_ you might want to read about MTAs and SMTP and ESMTP and spammers and things NOW |
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| 01:09.09 | HugLeo | hey |
| 01:09.12 | wn_ | ok, will do |
| 01:09.15 | stew | wn_: they are meant to perform the same set of tasks |
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| 01:09.49 | broomy | anybody knows where the configurations files of bittorrents are located? |
| 01:09.49 | sanity | ndondek: many thanks, will try that |
| 01:10.12 | SimonRaven | !tell broomy -about repeat |
| 01:10.29 | kspath | wn_ sorry, I am a bitter bitter bitter dried up old olde man |
| 01:10.50 | broomy | SimonRaven, ok sorry |
| 01:10.50 | gravity | heh, ye olde man |
| 01:11.08 | wn_ | thats okay, I like people making fun of me, makes my day funnier |
| 01:11.23 | kspath | gravity: you young wipper snappers with your ifconfig why in my day .... |
| 01:11.36 | SimonRaven | 'whipper' |
| 01:11.47 | gravity | hehehe |
| 01:12.08 | kspath | SimonRaven: it was wipper when the dirt was new and not GNU |
| 01:12.14 | SimonRaven | i'll whip you into shape yet :P |
| 01:12.19 | sanity | ndondek: that doesn't seem to work - |
| 01:12.21 | sanity | ian@emu ~> printf "\003\004\005" > tm |
| 01:12.21 | sanity | ian@emu ~> hexdump tm |
| 01:12.21 | sanity | 0000000 0403 0005 |
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| 01:12.58 | SimonRaven | sanity got kicked by debhelper's sanity ;) |
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| 01:13.04 | kspath | but for SimonRaven it is a gulf clap |
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| 01:13.19 | SimonRaven | which gulf? :P |
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| 01:13.28 | micha32 | hallo |
| 01:13.34 | dvs | he |
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| 01:13.51 | SimonRaven | we heard you the first time :) |
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| 01:14.01 | HugLeo | micha32 hey |
| 01:14.37 | micha32 | ich hab mal ne informative frage, ich habe KNOPPIX live cd, wenn ich mir das Debian installiere, kann ich dann alle .deb packete genau so installieren wie bei knoppix ? |
| 01:14.39 | kspath | !tell micha32 about de |
| 01:14.48 | kspath | !tell micha32 about knoppix |
| 01:14.50 | micha32 | germany |
| 01:15.02 | gravity | We guessed |
| 01:15.11 | micha32 | oh sorry english |
| 01:15.20 | dvs | Whew! I thought my monitor was bad. ;-) |
| 01:15.21 | kspath | when you said hallo it seemed obvious |
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| 01:15.59 | micha32 | i use knoppix, can i install .deb packets under debian too ? |
| 01:16.10 | kspath | !knoppix |
| 01:16.10 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 01:16.30 | kspath | bad idea to mix and match things will break ACTUNG! |
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| 01:17.27 | micha32 | ill install debian, can i use me .deb packets too ? and can i install nvidia 3d speed easy ? |
| 01:17.39 | SimonRaven | mix & match == bobbitt |
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| 01:17.50 | micha32 | sorry me english is not good |
| 01:18.08 | gravity | arrrrr |
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| 01:18.12 | kspath | micha32: knoppix is not debian and debian is not knoppix try if you must but things can and will break |
| 01:18.14 | gravity | me booty |
| 01:18.26 | broomy | anybody knows where the configurations files of bittorrents are located? |
| 01:18.31 | stew | ye booty? |
| 01:18.33 | kspath | damn pirates |
| 01:18.50 | kspath | Is it talk like a pirate day again?!?! |
| 01:18.55 | gravity | I wish! |
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| 01:19.04 | derek6543 | har har har |
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| 01:19.17 | micha32 | ? |
| 01:19.20 | richard_ | i'm new in linux, i use ascii in windows, how can i use it in linux? |
| 01:19.33 | gravity | richard_: uh... for what? |
| 01:19.33 | kspath | richard: ???? |
| 01:19.35 | broomy | richard_, how do you mean ascii? |
| 01:19.35 | Dralock | anyone here know where to get fedora help at? I know #fedora, but no one in there talks much. |
| 01:19.50 | derek6543 | get debian :D |
| 01:20.08 | arsen | cowsay, maybe, richard_ |
| 01:20.14 | arsen | ;o |
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| 01:20.25 | richard_ | the combination key alt+ number, for example alt+65=A |
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| 01:20.33 | micha32 | can i use debian easy ? |
| 01:20.48 | e2e | Hi, i'm trying to use mod_rewrite module (.htaccess file) under sub directories and changed Document Root directory directive Allow Override none to All but my server gives: Warning: Unknown(./php_value_ok.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 01:20.55 | derek6543 | it depends on what you think is easy |
| 01:20.56 | kspath | Dralock: try their website and forums and stuffs or I know CALL Redhat they will LOVE you. |
| 01:21.04 | arsen | give it a try, micha32 |
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| 01:21.13 | Jazbo | Hi folks. What's a simple way to figure out what essid's are available via wireless? |
| 01:21.17 | Dralock | kspath: Yeah, I'm sure they will :) |
| 01:21.30 | *** part/#debian broomy (n=broomy@h24n1-t-gr100.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 01:21.32 | kspath | Dralock: in fact go into rhel or centos and ask fedora questions even though it is NOT on topic I am sure you will last at least 10 seconds. |
| 01:21.51 | micha32 | arsen : ok.....ill download Debian, what is the aktuall version please ? or the best ! |
| 01:22.02 | yawg | i have an old toshiba laptop and it has debian 3.0 with some old kernel, bf2.4 or something, i want to upgrade the kernel, should i go with 2.6? |
| 01:22.16 | derek6543 | get the stable version if you are new to linux |
| 01:22.19 | kspath | micha32: netinstall 3.1r1a Stable/Sarge |
| 01:22.20 | dvs | yawg: You'll have to upgrade your version |
| 01:22.22 | richard_ | broomy:a combination alt +number... example alt+64=@ |
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| 01:23.05 | yawg | dvs: the laptop doesn't have a network connection yet |
| 01:23.11 | yawg | and i installed it with floppy discs |
| 01:23.16 | yawg | this has been quite the challenge so far |
| 01:23.16 | dvs | Doh! |
| 01:23.26 | yawg | what should i do? |
| 01:23.30 | yawg | get network working first? |
| 01:23.34 | kspath | yawg: use uucp |
| 01:23.38 | yawg | there are a bunch of missing dependancies |
| 01:23.43 | dvs | yawg: PCMCIA port? |
| 01:23.47 | yawg | dvs: yeah |
| 01:23.55 | yawg | i have both a wireless card |
| 01:23.56 | yawg | and a wired |
| 01:24.02 | dvs | yawg: Use the wired. |
| 01:24.03 | yawg | two wired ones actually |
| 01:24.03 | Dralock | kspath: Yeah, thats why I was asking if anyone in here knew of people to talk to. Obviously you know everyone NOT to talk to, but thats hardly the same thing. Thanks for your sarcasm though. |
| 01:24.06 | yawg | but one works, the other doesn't |
| 01:24.07 | nekostar | hm |
| 01:24.10 | richard_ | broomy: alt + number |
| 01:24.22 | dvs | yawg: Then use the one that works. |
| 01:24.22 | yawg | dvs: the working one is older, and is also a modem |
| 01:24.45 | nekostar | question: ive not found a way to do a good virtual user config where some can write and some can only read etc etc.. but i was wondering... |
| 01:24.57 | kspath | Dralock: asking ANYTHING about fedora especially asking where to get resources/answers and people to talk to about fedora is OFF-TOPIC |
| 01:25.00 | yawg | it shows up in ifconfig after i've tried to install some package |
| 01:25.05 | nekostar | can i make a shell user that can only read? cannot write to anything even in its own home directory? |
| 01:25.08 | yawg | ifconfig doesn't work after booting |
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| 01:25.18 | yawg | only after installing a package |
| 01:25.41 | kspath | Dralock: fedora might have a community if you would be the first to hang out there |
| 01:25.42 | beardy | nekostar: What's the use for him to have an account then? |
| 01:25.57 | kspath | Dralock: maybe start now? |
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| 01:27.45 | Dralock | kspath: Actually I am in there now, it appears that people like to talk about fedora. I run debian as well, so I was going to hang out here for a while and talk some debian with people. OMG if someone asks other people about something unrelated but in the general sphere of the same type of discussion. In fact, we could get socretian (my spelling on this is awful) and make a base comment that debian IS fedora in some other level. Of course, you could just be a |
| 01:28.12 | pablum | hmm, updated a lot of stuff with the last one (gtk, gstreamer, etc.) and now gnome freezes when I try to log in (can backspace out, still...) |
| 01:28.16 | nekostar | beardy, |
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| 01:28.30 | nekostar | i cannot get pure-ftpd to work correctly is the problem |
| 01:28.32 | nekostar | XD |
| 01:28.38 | nekostar | so i just tossed in proftpd :/ |
| 01:28.42 | derek6543 | what does XD mean? |
| 01:28.48 | nekostar | what i REALLY want is a dummy's guide to pure-ftpd |
| 01:28.52 | derek6543 | i see people type that all the time |
| 01:28.55 | richard_ | hey how can i use ascii caracters? |
| 01:29.01 | beardy | derek6543: He's dead and laughing. |
| 01:29.05 | nekostar | XD squintyeyesSMILIE |
| 01:29.06 | kspath | Dralock: If you want to talk about debian in #debian that is on-topic. There is a #fedora for fedora and a #linux for other |
| 01:29.09 | derek6543 | ah |
| 01:29.29 | pablum | oooh, eventually get the gnome splash screen if I wait (in the fail-safe gnome login) |
| 01:29.44 | pablum | ah, regular old gnome, too. |
| 01:30.02 | Dralock | kspath: And 2+2 is four. Get over it. |
| 01:30.12 | kspath | !target Dralock |
| 01:30.36 | derek6543 | how is fedora compared to debian? |
| 01:30.48 | beardy | derek6543: Take it to ##linux |
| 01:31.00 | derek6543 | i was asking Dralock |
| 01:31.09 | beardy | derek6543: Do so in a /msg then. |
| 01:31.15 | derek6543 | who are you? |
| 01:31.16 | kspath | derek6543: different, and not rpm based, Debian uses apt and a repository with dependencies. |
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| 01:31.33 | pablum | when I logged out (after the update) the "desktop" wasn't responding to events, but the menus were... |
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| 01:31.51 | derek6543 | i know its rpm based(eww) |
| 01:31.55 | SimonRaven | the repo doesn't have the defined deps, each package does. take a look at a debian/control file |
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| 01:32.23 | SimonRaven | Packages file just gets generated from the .deb's control.tar.gz files |
| 01:32.25 | kspath | derek6543: if you are directing a question to someone include their nick before you question/statement so they and everyone else knows it is meant for them in particular |
| 01:32.45 | derek6543 | what the hell is going on |
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| 01:33.11 | gravity | how do I used irc? |
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| 01:34.01 | jbroome | so far you're doing ok |
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| 01:34.23 | httpdss | im getting lots of this errors on the logs: init: Id "X" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes .... googled and it said to install util-linux (DONE), but the i dont know what else to do .. any help ? |
| 01:34.31 | SimonRaven | derek6543: it's called talking. maybe you'll get used to it. seems you're getting the hang of it. just be patient |
| 01:34.32 | asg | gravity: take 2 and call me in the morning? |
| 01:34.34 | Error404 | hrm |
| 01:34.39 | Error404 | web-min is mmm |
| 01:34.43 | derek6543 | what with you people |
| 01:34.59 | derek6543 | always quick to bring someone down |
| 01:35.23 | SimonRaven | humour doesn't translate well in a text medium |
| 01:35.23 | derek6543 | i know how irc works |
| 01:35.23 | asg | derek6543: google for signal to noise ratio |
| 01:35.40 | Error404 | if I installed ubuntu and want to install my nvidia drivers, I can just do it the way I did with my other debian installation right? |
| 01:35.43 | kspath | derek6543: scroll back and you will see what/why that happened. |
| 01:35.48 | SimonRaven | i was just ribbing you derek6543. take it easy ... |
| 01:35.54 | derek6543 | its all good |
| 01:35.56 | beardy | Error404: Ask #ubuntu. |
| 01:35.59 | asg | Error404: maybe, there are no guarantees |
| 01:36.03 | Error404 | oh wait! |
| 01:36.10 | Error404 | I didn't know that channel existed |
| 01:36.15 | pablum | maybe try with another/new user... |
| 01:36.21 | beardy | Error404: Now you do. |
| 01:36.24 | asg | Error404: the /topic in #debian would have told you that |
| 01:36.30 | beardy | that too |
| 01:36.30 | kspath | derek6543: you asked the channel instead of just Dralock by not saying Dralock: ........ .... ... ....? |
| 01:36.36 | SimonRaven | s/cranberry juice/ mmmm cranberries |
| 01:36.47 | asg | SimonRaven: cranbeer? |
| 01:37.09 | SimonRaven | asg: i don't do booze anymore, heh |
| 01:37.11 | Error404 | sorry asg, as I've idled in here for a couple days now |
| 01:37.16 | Error404 | I haven't seen the topic since |
| 01:37.18 | httpdss | anyone got my question ?? |
| 01:37.35 | kspath | derek6543: you can use tab completion or copy/paste of nicks if need be instead of typing their nick out |
| 01:37.40 | asg | SimonRaven: well, root beer isn't booze. cranbeer could be an alternate non-alky product. |
| 01:38.04 | SimonRaven | that's true. like spruce beer or such |
| 01:38.08 | asg | Error404: the #ubuntu bit has been in the /topic since ubuntu was conceived :) |
| 01:38.22 | asg | Error404: no worries though |
| 01:38.23 | litage | if the same image is a PNG and JPEG, which would generally be a smaller file size? |
| 01:38.35 | SimonRaven | httpdss: that's init telling you stuff. see /etc/inittab for a clue |
| 01:38.37 | kspath | wow, I was trying to help. neat. If I try to help others maybe I can see plonks all day long |
| 01:38.43 | asg | Error404: your wish is granted |
| 01:38.53 | kspath | asg: hehehehe |
| 01:39.32 | asg | kspath: names of all parties involved will remain nameless ;) |
| 01:40.04 | beardy | litage: Depends on the amount of brokeness off the JPEG file. |
| 01:40.38 | beardy | litage: You could trash it down to a lot smaller then png. |
| 01:40.51 | beardy | s/off/of/ |
| 01:40.52 | pablum | christonabreadstick... KDE is borked, too. |
| 01:40.56 | SimonRaven | png's compression is decent, but not great |
| 01:41.21 | litage | ah |
| 01:41.28 | kspath | asg: I saw a VERY nice 404 Not Found t-shirt on someone the other day... |
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| 01:41.46 | asg | kspath: hah |
| 01:41.49 | SimonRaven | with an arrow pointing up? |
| 01:41.54 | SimonRaven | :P |
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| 01:42.47 | kspath | there was also the 403 Forbidden panties |
| 01:42.47 | nekostar | hmm |
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| 01:43.00 | nekostar | i can make it start right from doing it standalone... |
| 01:43.23 | asg | kspath: you can always hack around that issue though |
| 01:43.26 | nekostar | but it doesnt do so when i do with /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start |
| 01:43.27 | nekostar | :/ |
| 01:43.32 | kspath | asg: I wish! |
| 01:43.38 | evilbulgarian | hi, what are some ways to connect two remote machines through the internet securely with authentication? |
| 01:43.48 | asg | kspath: nibble the neck, works everytime. |
| 01:44.32 | kspath | evilbulgarian: ssh vpn stunnel? |
| 01:45.21 | kspath | evilbulgarian: there are a few dozen ways depending on your definitions of connect and secure and authentication... |
| 01:45.27 | evilbulgarian | kspath: yeah looking at vpn most likely as the other end i think is windows do u know of any good howto's or info on doing that all i find is an vpn hotwo which refers to kernel 2.2 which is kinda old |
| 01:45.57 | kspath | evilbulgarian: No, I do not not. I am quite ignorant. |
| 01:45.59 | evilbulgarian | kspath: basically to connect an internal svn to a remote location in india :) |
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| 01:46.11 | asg | evilbulgarian: beware PPTP. IPSec should work though. |
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| 01:46.28 | evilbulgarian | asg: thanks |
| 01:46.39 | dlynch | hey, can someone tell me what I need to change in exim4 config so that emails are not received as username@ipaddress please? |
| 01:46.43 | nekostar | is there a way to make an alias in my bash? |
| 01:46.51 | asg | nekostar: help alias |
| 01:46.55 | nekostar | so if i put in pure-ftpd it actually does something like o: |
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| 01:47.44 | nekostar | asg, dpkg it has been said that alias is nice lol |
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| 01:49.00 | lrathbon | is there a Ken Bloom here? |
| 01:49.21 | kspath | evilbulgarian: winscp putty for the india side maybe? |
| 01:50.03 | evilbulgarian | kspath: just doing some prep dont know exactly what the inda side has to work with or is willing to do |
| 01:50.04 | kspath | evilbulgarian: you did not define connect |
| 01:50.32 | evilbulgarian | kspath: i think they are looking for VPN and mentioned pptp but just looking for alternatives |
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| 01:50.48 | evilbulgarian | kspath: need to gain access to our local svn |
| 01:51.23 | beardy | dpkg: no, alias is <reply> Bash alias? Do 'help alias' and read 'man bash', also see your ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc for examples of aliases. |
| 01:51.23 | dpkg | okay, beardy |
| 01:51.44 | asg | evilbulgarian: pptp has some bugs that cause its security to be questioned. It works in a pinch but you have to evaluate if it is secure enough. |
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| 01:52.14 | evilbulgarian | asg: yeah i read about that and still reading thanks for the info tho |
| 01:52.24 | asg | evilbulgarian: you're welcome. |
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| 01:57.22 | obscuresoul | the package module-init-tools is the successor to the package modutils? |
| 01:57.36 | yawg | what does it mean if the computer also doesn't have loopback configured |
| 01:57.42 | dlynch | hey, can someone tell me what I need to change in exim4 config so that emails are not received as username@ipaddress please? |
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| 01:57.46 | yawg | i think that is an important step... |
| 01:57.55 | asg | yawg: it will generally cause problems |
| 01:58.00 | Stevie | uhm |
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| 01:58.10 | yawg | what do i type to configure this thing |
| 01:58.12 | yawg | i'm googling |
| 01:58.15 | Stevie | the edge netinst cd appears to have a minor issue |
| 01:58.25 | yawg | but if someone just knows this it would be very appreciated |
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| 01:58.38 | Stevie | yawg: Try ifconfig lo up |
| 01:58.40 | asg | yawg: auto lo |
| 01:58.40 | asg | iface lo inet loopback |
| 01:59.00 | asg | yawg: put those two lines in /etc/network/interfaces and type '/sbin/ifup lo' |
| 01:59.19 | yawg | auto : command not found |
| 01:59.23 | yawg | oh |
| 01:59.25 | yawg | heh |
| 01:59.29 | Stevie | lol |
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| 02:00.01 | Stevie | does anyone have any information regarding the etch netinst cd being borked? |
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| 02:00.27 | yawg | yay! |
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| 02:00.35 | yawg | 127.0.0.1 so happy to see this! |
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| 02:01.03 | Stevie | I didn't even know you could take down lo |
| 02:01.04 | Stevie | lol |
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| 02:01.27 | yawg | i think it was never up |
| 02:01.35 | Stevie | I thought the kernel brought it up automatically. |
| 02:01.35 | asg | Stevie: yeah, if you do, it causes odd issues that are hard to debug |
| 02:01.45 | SimonRaven | Stevie: no |
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| 02:01.50 | Stevie | asg: I'll bet. |
| 02:01.58 | yawg | this is a very weird install |
| 02:02.09 | yawg | nothing seems to have come built in |
| 02:02.14 | yawg | it's a floppy disc install |
| 02:02.16 | yawg | on a laptop |
| 02:02.19 | Stevie | 240? |
| 02:02.26 | yawg | and it hasn't touched a network yet |
| 02:02.35 | yawg | so everything on this thing has been delivered by floppy |
| 02:02.42 | kspath | debian revolves around a netinstall mostly |
| 02:02.43 | Stevie | woah. |
| 02:02.48 | Stevie | yawg: no cdrom? |
| 02:02.55 | yawg | nope :( |
| 02:02.58 | dlynch | can anyone help?? |
| 02:03.01 | Stevie | no usb or anything? |
| 02:03.03 | asg | !rube goldberg install |
| 02:03.03 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 02:03.06 | yawg | all i need is a network connection |
| 02:03.07 | sfire||mouse | I installed debian via floppies once |
| 02:03.11 | yawg | i ahve a usb pcmcia card |
| 02:03.14 | Stevie | hahahahaha |
| 02:03.19 | sfire||mouse | was a pain |
| 02:03.27 | Stevie | yawg: no USB cdrom? |
| 02:03.33 | sfire||mouse | I eventually got it online via a null modem cable |
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| 02:03.50 | yawg | nope |
| 02:03.59 | yawg | i don't have the usb card working anyway |
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| 02:04.24 | yawg | i have a pcmcia ethernet card |
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| 02:04.27 | kspath | yawg: use a usb key install? |
| 02:04.27 | Stevie | I once transferred files from one laptop to another by putting a phone cable between their modems, going to the terminal program on one and typing ATD, then on the other I typed ATA |
| 02:04.31 | sfire||mouse | but a few debs were first loaded using split |
| 02:04.36 | yawg | well it is already installed |
| 02:04.39 | yawg | it works |
| 02:04.42 | Stevie | I had to ATX0 first to turn off dialtone detection |
| 02:04.44 | yawg | i just need the network connection |
| 02:04.50 | yawg | and i can do the rest with apt-get |
| 02:04.51 | yawg | i hope |
| 02:05.21 | httpdss | i need to get the list of files in the system that dont belong to any installed package ... anyone ?? |
| 02:05.37 | Stevie | an interesting idea, httpdss |
| 02:05.38 | cheal | how can I install debain? my only working device is the power button |
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| 02:05.58 | Stevie | I can only imagine something involving dpkg -l and dpkg -L would work |
| 02:06.04 | lex | Man.... I hate myself... i went and deleted all /etc/samba/* from a perfectly working PDC with roaming profiles.... the domain sid is lost... .its all gone to hell and im going with it. |
| 02:06.12 | lex | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.22 | lex | Now i recovered the domain, and now users can login again, but what happens is that when they try to get their profile, in the windows box, a new local profile folder is created, instead of reusing the older one. |
| 02:06.31 | lex | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.59 | Stevie | lex: I have an idea |
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| 02:07.03 | kspath | httpdss: if you had a list of packages you could use apt-file to get a list of files it put in |
| 02:07.04 | asg | lex: if nobody in there knows, try #samba (though they are known to be perpetually at the pub.) |
| 02:07.29 | lex | asg, Im on there as well... and im gonna end up at the pub as well... |
| 02:07.35 | lex | asg, for different reasons |
| 02:07.40 | Stevie | lex: Use the profile thingy to copy somebody's profile to another directory, then try editing that profile |
| 02:07.54 | kspath | httpdss: what remained would be variable files, databases, configs, various |
| 02:07.59 | Stevie | If it doesn't work right, you can just delete it and try something else later |
| 02:08.08 | asg | lex: quite |
| 02:08.10 | lex | Stevie, True... |
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| 02:08.32 | Stevie | Pick someone with a small profile (probably not much in My Documents/Desktop/Other Crap) |
| 02:08.34 | lex | This is like the worst thing that could ever ever happen. |
| 02:08.36 | licued | DAMN |
| 02:08.39 | licued | there are a lot of people here |
| 02:08.40 | licued | lol |
| 02:08.55 | Stevie | lex: Oh yeah? dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
| 02:08.57 | asg | licued: we are very popular |
| 02:09.22 | Stevie | obviously we are 8x as popular |
| 02:09.27 | licued | obviously ;) |
| 02:09.34 | lex | Stevie, true... this si true... what angers me is the stupidity... i mean, this happened cause someone on the test farm typed rm /etc/samba/* on the wrong window |
| 02:09.35 | lex | Heh |
| 02:09.42 | asg | licued: Solaris isn't as free as most of the projects on freenode |
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| 02:09.54 | Stevie | lex: Why did that someone have root access? |
| 02:09.56 | licued | asg elaborate? |
| 02:10.18 | Stevie | and why don't you have backups of your DC configs? :P |
| 02:10.29 | lex | Stevie, Cause hes the admin, and pretty damned good at it. Its just that, you know, its bound to happen sooner or later after a number of years. |
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| 02:10.40 | asg | licued: freenode's irc network is dedicated to free/oss software. While Solaris has recently become so, it will take time to attract irc users who are willing to help. |
| 02:10.42 | Stevie | thus the backups thing :) |
| 02:10.52 | licued | ahhh asg :) |
| 02:10.54 | Stevie | asg: No, I'm sure it's because we're 8x better |
| 02:10.58 | lex | Stevie, Ah... now thats the true solution isnt it |
| 02:11.18 | Stevie | lex: Subversion is awesome for things like that. |
| 02:11.24 | asg | Stevie: there you go ;) |
| 02:11.27 | Stevie | 'oh shit!' svn revert |
| 02:11.40 | yawg | i'm so close |
| 02:11.50 | Stevie | and while we're talking about crazy things to have screwed us up |
| 02:11.56 | yawg | i get an error when i type ifup eth0 regarding the netmask |
| 02:11.56 | Stevie | In my early early days of using Linux |
| 02:11.59 | lex | Stevie, Hell... rcs wouldve done the job... but since we were just migrating the fucker saturday, noone thought about backup ing it up.... my fault all the way, i accept this. |
| 02:12.02 | asg | Stevie: Extreme Networks? |
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| 02:12.22 | Stevie | Back when Slackware was *the* linux distribution to use |
| 02:12.30 | licued | lol |
| 02:12.31 | Stevie | Mainly because, well, it was the only one |
| 02:12.41 | yawg | oh n/m |
| 02:12.45 | yawg | hm.. |
| 02:12.48 | asg | Stevie: it was easier to pronounce than yggdrasil |
| 02:12.55 | yawg | it apears to be working |
| 02:13.07 | dabreegster | Hey. Ever since I upgraded my mesa implementation and to the xorg server, I've been having two problems. First: A problem utilizing opengl, stepmania, will crash after a while, saying "Rage 128 timed out." It might just be this application, though. Secondly, when I launch gdm, my console is resized to the default 80x25 size. I have to use SVGATextMode to fix it. Why's it do this? |
| 02:13.09 | yawg | but ping 192.168.1.1 is 100% packet loss |
| 02:13.15 | Stevie | Contrast today: http://bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html |
| 02:13.27 | Stevie | yawg: ip route get to 192.168.1.1 |
| 02:13.32 | dabreegster | Er, program utilizng opengl |
| 02:13.46 | yawg | eth0: lost link beat |
| 02:13.51 | yawg | what does that mean? |
| 02:14.02 | Stevie | it means the nic was desynchronized from the hub/switch it's plugged into |
| 02:14.20 | Stevie | *anyway* |
| 02:14.31 | Stevie | someone hacked my machine that I had installed Slack on |
| 02:14.58 | Stevie | didn't do much |
| 02:15.01 | yawg | Stevie: could it be a bad ethernet card? |
| 02:15.05 | Stevie | yes |
| 02:15.07 | Stevie | it could be |
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| 02:15.19 | Stevie | They changed root's shell (in /etc/passwd) to /sbin/halt. |
| 02:15.46 | asg | Stevie: just larking about then |
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| 02:16.06 | dabreegster | Stevie: You couldn't log in as a normal user and then su to root using the way that doesn't invoke their /etc/passwd shell? |
| 02:16.24 | asg | dabreegster: or /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 02:16.46 | dabreegster | asg: Heh |
| 02:16.50 | jetscreamer | i missed the part where he said he didn't fix it |
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| 02:18.36 | yawg | the older pcmcia ethernet card beeps when i plug it in, and the comptuer reacts to it |
| 02:18.44 | yawg | the new one takes a lot more effort to put in |
| 02:18.47 | yawg | and it doesn't beep |
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| 02:19.33 | asg | yawg: k-y or sweet talk may help. |
| 02:19.42 | Stevie | is the old one the one that doesn't work? |
| 02:19.45 | yawg | huh? |
| 02:19.50 | asg | yawg: nevermind |
| 02:19.54 | yawg | the old one starts to work |
| 02:20.02 | yawg | i got an ip address assigned |
| 02:20.08 | Stevie | dabreegster: At the time, I didn't know there was such a way to use su |
| 02:20.08 | yawg | but ping wouldn't work for it |
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| 02:20.18 | yawg | or rather, it was 100% packetloss |
| 02:20.28 | yawg | the new card looks like it shouldn't fit |
| 02:20.28 | Stevie | So neither works? |
| 02:20.36 | yawg | i had to sand down some edges |
| 02:20.42 | Stevie | errr |
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| 02:20.51 | yawg | but it's a pcmcia card |
| 02:20.56 | yawg | i should fit right? |
| 02:21.04 | Stevie | how old is this laptop? |
| 02:21.11 | Stevie | it might only have a 16-bit pcmcia interfacd |
| 02:21.12 | yawg | it came with windows 95 |
| 02:21.23 | yawg | toshiba portege 610CT |
| 02:21.24 | kookaburra | omg - windows 95 |
| 02:21.37 | Stevie | in which case, that might be your problem |
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| 02:22.25 | yawg | what is the device name of a wireless card? |
| 02:22.29 | yawg | i'll try the wireless out |
| 02:22.44 | jetscreamer | heh sander |
| 02:23.09 | Stevie | ethwhatever |
| 02:23.15 | Stevie | although those are iffy |
| 02:23.30 | Stevie | Linux's support for those isn't nearly as straightforward as it is under Windows |
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| 02:28.23 | yawg | i don't understand |
| 02:28.27 | yawg | the light is blinking |
| 02:28.36 | yawg | ifconfig shows that i have an ip address |
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| 02:30.07 | sh0u | hello i am planning to make a debian based distro |
| 02:30.43 | sh0u | i would like to know how to use apt in my distro? How can i apply to gfet permission for using the package manager? |
| 02:31.31 | dondelelcaro | sh0u: just comply with the licencing terms of apt (it's GPLed) and you can use it. |
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| 02:32.08 | kookaburra | sh0u, what is your distro going to be all about? what's the angle? |
| 02:32.10 | sh0u | dondelelcaro: alrigth thank you... is the terms on the debian official site? |
| 02:32.21 | Stevie | "No kernel modules were found." |
| 02:32.21 | Stevie | wtf |
| 02:32.37 | dondelelcaro | sh0u: the terms you can find are in the apt copyright file; pdo.debian.net/apt should have a link to it. |
| 02:32.39 | sh0u | kookaburra: well im going to use the NETBSD kernel and hack it up a little (taking some bits from the hardned linux kernel as well) |
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| 02:33.02 | dondelelcaro | sh0u: in that case, I suggest that you consider starting where the Debian NETBSD people left off... |
| 02:33.12 | dondelelcaro | sh0u: or consider working with Debian/kFreeBSD |
| 02:33.35 | sh0u | i c |
| 02:34.01 | kookaburra | if you are talented enough to create a distro yourself, you could probably contribute a bit to either one of those efforts |
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| 02:34.32 | dondelelcaro | right, and more importantly, you wouldn't waste your time re-inventing all of the infrastructure that Debian already haas |
| 02:34.43 | sh0u | hehe i c... this is going to be my first time doing LFS so the beta probably wont be finished till september |
| 02:35.03 | dondelelcaro | sh0u: see http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd/ |
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| 02:37.49 | Stevie | hey dondelelcaro |
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| 02:38.02 | dondelelcaro | hey |
| 02:38.21 | cheal | ah, finally someone to create the ultimate Debian derivative |
| 02:38.29 | Stevie | d/dx Debian? |
| 02:38.35 | sh0u | cheal: who would that be? |
| 02:38.40 | wip_ | hey guys ! (we're in cli-only mode...) Where are the (debian-ish) sources for kernel-sources-2.6.15 ? |
| 02:38.43 | Stevie | dondelelcaro: you know anything about problems with the latest Etch beta 2 netinst image? |
| 02:38.47 | wip_ | unstable... |
| 02:38.53 | magyar | does sarge has any packages to block ssh attacks? |
| 02:38.58 | cheal | sh0u: I hope you can make it! |
| 02:39.03 | dondelelcaro | Stevie: if there are problems, they should be filed against the debian-installer pseduo package |
| 02:39.05 | wip_ | also do we need to install realtime-lsm or it |
| 02:39.07 | dondelelcaro | magyar: fail2ban |
| 02:39.13 | sh0u | cheal: ill do my best |
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| 02:39.20 | Stevie | It's telling me that No kernel modules were found. |
| 02:39.30 | magyar | dondelelcaro, is it in the repos? |
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| 02:39.38 | dondelelcaro | !+info fail2ban |
| 02:39.40 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 02:39.47 | dpkg | fail2ban: (bans IPs that cause multiple authentication errors), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 244 kB |
| 02:39.47 | sh0u | i must continue my reading thank you |
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| 02:39.57 | Stevie | ooh, neat |
| 02:41.05 | cheal | wip_: $ apt-cache -n search linux source |
| 02:41.19 | Stevie | what's -n do? |
| 02:41.28 | cheal | hehe, I hope sh0u didn't take me seriously |
| 02:41.39 | cheal | Stevie: the same as --names-only |
| 02:41.47 | magyar | dondelelcaro, i thought that there was some app for sarge that would do simular tasks |
| 02:41.57 | Stevie | oh, searches the names only? |
| 02:41.58 | kookaburra | cheal, I think he did |
| 02:42.16 | dondelelcaro | magyar: it just depends on iptables and python, so you can install the unstable version on sarge using dpkg -i |
| 02:42.32 | cheal | kookaburra: that's the sad part |
| 02:42.40 | magyar | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 02:43.20 | abarbaccia | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.41 | Stevie | Sed or perl |
| 02:44.04 | abarbaccia | Stevie, i'm using sed |
| 02:44.17 | abarbaccia | i cat the file to sed with output to a temp file |
| 02:44.24 | Stevie | You never sed that. |
| 02:44.35 | Stevie | *ba dum pshhh* |
| 02:44.35 | abarbaccia | ha, i know - but im telling you now |
| 02:44.43 | Stevie | sed -e s/name=.*/name=$name/ |
| 02:44.45 | abarbaccia | goood one |
| 02:44.57 | abarbaccia | okay so thats what i had |
| 02:45.03 | Stevie | and it's not working? |
| 02:45.08 | abarbaccia | and the file now says..... "name=$name" |
| 02:45.14 | Stevie | hah |
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| 02:45.17 | Stevie | let's try |
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| 02:45.28 | Stevie | sed -e 's/name=.*/name='$name'/' |
| 02:45.46 | wip_ | thanks cheal ! :) |
| 02:46.02 | Tortel | debian:/home/scott# apt-get update; apt-get upgrade -y <=-Will taht update and install upgrades? |
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| 02:46.17 | Tortel | without waiting for me to answer Y/N |
| 02:46.32 | Stevie | You could try it. |
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| 02:46.41 | Tortel | apt hates me, its slow |
| 02:46.43 | Stevie | Everybody needs a copy of UML |
| 02:46.45 | Tortel | and now i must go |
| 02:46.52 | Stevie | well then, good luck |
| 02:47.34 | abarbaccia | Stevie, no dice. unterminated sed command - the ' gets taken as the end of the expression |
| 02:47.45 | Stevie | Hrm |
| 02:48.02 | Stevie | If I had a shell I could use at the moment, I'd fiddle around |
| 02:48.12 | Stevie | but right now... etch installer cd no workie |
| 02:48.14 | Stevie | :( |
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| 02:48.38 | Stevie | what if you use " instead of ' ? |
| 02:48.49 | Pegger | i know know is this very off topic but I am not sure where else too ask but could somewone who has a black berry please pm me |
| 02:49.10 | Stevie | I'm quite certain the place to ask isn't here |
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| 02:49.55 | Pegger | Stevie, you know of any bb channels |
| 02:50.00 | Stevie | nope |
| 02:50.06 | Stevie | i do not have a crackberry |
| 02:50.11 | Ts0p | hi room |
| 02:50.19 | Stevie | hello tsop |
| 02:50.30 | Pegger | Stevie, why is it a crackberry? |
| 02:50.40 | Stevie | where is S0ip? |
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| 02:50.54 | Ts0p | i need help with debian |
| 02:50.57 | Stevie | http://www.wordspy.com/words/crackberry.asp |
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| 02:51.10 | abarbaccia | To ALLOW the Unix shell to interpret the dollar sign, put the script in double quotes: Stevie |
| 02:51.12 | Stevie | Then you, sir, are almost certainly in the correct place |
| 02:51.37 | Stevie | abarbaccia: When I originally gave you the script, you noticed the embeded 's, right? |
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| 02:51.53 | abarbaccia | yep |
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| 02:51.59 | veamos | hi there |
| 02:52.15 | Pegger | Stevie, oha making a refrence to it's addictiveness |
| 02:52.18 | abarbaccia | i just googled it a bit - if u put it in double quotes UNIX interprets the $ as a var |
| 02:52.53 | Stevie | that is correct |
| 02:52.58 | Ts0p | ok i installed debian last night on my laptop, but the screen resulution is not right i think.... how can i fix that |
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| 02:53.11 | Stevie | hrm |
| 02:53.17 | Stevie | what window manager? |
| 02:53.19 | Stevie | kde? gnome? |
| 02:53.20 | derek6543 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:53.24 | Ts0p | gnome |
| 02:53.37 | Stevie | err, probably what derek just said |
| 02:53.45 | jetscreamer | no |
| 02:53.49 | jetscreamer | tried last night |
| 02:54.02 | Stevie | tried what last night? |
| 02:54.05 | derek6543 | are you on sarge ot etch? |
| 02:54.12 | Ts0p | sarge |
| 02:54.17 | jetscreamer | drxx |
| 02:54.19 | veamos | I've bought a nvidia geforce mx4000-t128 and I installed it.. now I reconfigured xserver-xfree86 and I chose 'vesa'.. my kernel's vesion is 2.4.27-2-386.- The problem is that I can't play ppracer succesfuly |
| 02:54.28 | veamos | it works very slowly |
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| 02:54.35 | veamos | can anybody help me? |
| 02:54.43 | jetscreamer | use nv |
| 02:54.45 | Stevie | I would expect that sort of the thing from the VESA driver |
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| 02:54.46 | yawg | which is more stable, testing or unstable? |
| 02:54.49 | wt | is there a word that refers to both users and groups? |
| 02:54.54 | Stevie | testing, yawg |
| 02:54.57 | yawg | thank you |
| 02:55.00 | Stevie | grusers |
| 02:55.03 | Stevie | ? |
| 02:55.08 | wt | a more generic term |
| 02:55.09 | Stevie | usoups? |
| 02:55.12 | kookaburra | testing for the most part yawg |
| 02:55.13 | Stevie | Suckers? |
| 02:55.14 | wt | I was thinking resources |
| 02:55.21 | wt | but that doesn't really capture it |
| 02:55.24 | Stevie | Morons? |
| 02:55.29 | Stevie | Victims? |
| 02:55.40 | kookaburra | wtf |
| 02:55.58 | Ts0p | are you guys still helping me!!!1 |
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| 02:56.50 | veamos | can anybody help me? |
| 02:56.51 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: tell them what you've done so far and where you're at |
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| 02:57.09 | jetscreamer | veamos: use the nv driver not the vesa, or use the nvidia binariew |
| 02:57.12 | jetscreamer | s |
| 02:57.16 | Ts0p | jetscreamer nothing |
| 02:57.29 | veamos | I chose the 'nv' drive, but it didn't work |
| 02:57.30 | wt | Ts0p: what are you doing? |
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| 02:57.40 | wt | veamos: you're installing? |
| 02:57.46 | Stevie | !doesn't work |
| 02:57.47 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 02:57.49 | veamos | installing what |
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| 02:57.57 | bust3r__ | i just compiled a new kernel and i got a kernel panic |
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| 02:58.05 | bust3r__ | Kernel panic - not syncing : VFS : unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(0,0) |
| 02:58.08 | veamos | I already installed debian |
| 02:58.16 | bust3r__ | but my old kernel says root device just the same |
| 02:58.21 | bust3r__ | so what could be the problem |
| 02:58.28 | Stevie | is that an initrd issue? |
| 02:58.29 | jetscreamer | bust3r: how many controllers you got on the board |
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| 02:58.43 | bust3r__ | just onboard the ide slots |
| 02:58.48 | Ts0p | wt i need help setting up my screen |
| 02:59.06 | veamos | jetscreamer: where can I find that binaries? |
| 02:59.15 | wt | Ts0p: screen in X? |
| 02:59.24 | Stevie | bust3r: Did you build in the IDE drivers? |
| 02:59.27 | jetscreamer | nvidia.com/linux or /drivers |
| 02:59.34 | bust3r__ | yea i did |
| 02:59.42 | bust3r__ | i did a make old config |
| 02:59.46 | bust3r__ | and everything |
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| 02:59.53 | jetscreamer | initrd |
| 03:00.09 | bust3r__ | i dont got a initrd with it when idid make install |
| 03:00.12 | Stevie | did you build the package The Painfully Slow^W^WDebian Way? |
| 03:00.13 | jetscreamer | did you compile with or make an initrd bust3r_ ? |
| 03:00.14 | bust3r__ | how do i make a initrd |
| 03:00.15 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 03:00.16 | kevin` | using debian etch, could someone help me with this? |
| 03:00.21 | kevin` | $ firefox |
| 03:00.21 | kevin` | Segmentation fault |
| 03:00.21 | Ts0p | wt what do u mean ?? screen is x? |
| 03:00.23 | useruser | how do I install pcf fonts? |
| 03:00.29 | Stevie | kevinbenko: strace firefox |
| 03:00.36 | jetscreamer | bust3r_: i do make-kpkg --initrd if i want one |
| 03:00.36 | wt | Ts0p: are you configuring X or something else? |
| 03:00.36 | Stevie | err |
| 03:00.42 | Stevie | kevin`: strace firefox |
| 03:00.54 | jetscreamer | you can man mkinitramfs to just make one |
| 03:01.00 | kevin` | write(21, "\376\355\276\347\0\0\0\37/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox"..., 65536) = -1 ENOSPC (No space left on device) |
| 03:01.01 | kevin` | heh :) |
| 03:01.02 | bust3r__ | ok so just this command make-kpkg --initrd ? |
| 03:01.14 | bust3r__ | or do i need to put something behind it |
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| 03:01.22 | derek6543 | bust3r__: mkinitrd /lib/modules/2.whatever -o initrd.img |
| 03:01.34 | kevin` | how do I adjust the reserved space on an ext3 fs to 1% |
| 03:01.39 | Ts0p | wt ok here is the deal: i turn on my computer and it's on a login screen with ontop there is GNOME Desktop Manager |
| 03:01.40 | jetscreamer | bust3r_: yeah, but if you're compiling one, just compile what you need into the kernel, instead of as modules, and lose the initrd statement in the bootloader |
| 03:01.56 | Stevie | kevinbenko: Maybe you should consider cleaning up your drive :) |
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| 03:01.59 | Stevie | err |
| 03:02.01 | Stevie | god damnit |
| 03:02.02 | jetscreamer | or, man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 03:02.03 | kevin` | perhaps |
| 03:02.21 | Stevie | kevin`: strace is awesome. I've used it to track down so many problems... |
| 03:02.25 | jetscreamer | kevin`: with tune2fs maybe, not sure |
| 03:02.38 | wt | Ts0p: a Desktop Manager or a Display Manager? |
| 03:02.44 | wt | Ts0p: do you mean GDM? |
| 03:03.05 | Stevie | I think he's reading exactly what it says |
| 03:03.07 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: tell them what video card. what monitor. and he means gdm/gnome is very tiny inside his screen, but does function. |
| 03:03.11 | mzuverink | Can someone direct me towards a program that go and grap mail from all my pop accounts and deliver them to my local machine? |
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| 03:03.23 | wt | oh |
| 03:03.37 | wt | Ts0p: do you want to decrease the resolution? |
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| 03:03.50 | Stevie | I think he wants to increase the resolution |
| 03:03.52 | jetscreamer | it's a laptop so i don't know much about lcd |
| 03:04.11 | theycallmebruce | Hi all |
| 03:04.14 | jetscreamer | he has hwinfo installed though |
| 03:04.22 | Stevie | He's on a laptop, so it's probably drawing at the native resolution with blank space in the unused area |
| 03:04.23 | Ts0p | jetscreamer it's a hp laptop pavilian zt 1000 series |
| 03:04.27 | kevix | hi folks, 'sid' with apt-get update,dist-upgrade. gnome desktop icons are 'generic'. how to get back. |
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| 03:04.44 | jetscreamer | yes that Stevie , i believe |
| 03:04.51 | theycallmebruce | I have a server with an Intel SE7230NH-1 board, and I'd like to install Debian on a SATA drive |
| 03:04.59 | wt | Stevie: if he wants gdm bigger, he would need to decrease the resolutino |
| 03:05.05 | Stevie | wt: You are incorrect |
| 03:05.50 | theycallmebruce | according to this site (http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html) there are three possible workarounds, two of which involve installing and the recompiling the kernel |
| 03:05.51 | wt | Stevie: explain how decreasing the number of pixels on a screen of a constant size increases the resolution |
| 03:05.56 | jetscreamer | it's like 800x600 showing up in a 1600x? space |
| 03:05.56 | Stevie | wt: Here's what's happening: His laptop's screen is AxB resolution. Gnome is CxD (with C<A and D<B). The video chipset is rendering at AxB, centering the output |
| 03:06.01 | cleit0n | hi, anybare knows how i do one DVD with vob's files of diferents DVD's in one in debian? |
| 03:06.06 | bust3r__ | derek6543, i did mkinitrd /lib/modules/2.6.14.6-grsec -o initrd.img-2.6.14.6-grsec |
| 03:06.06 | bust3r__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:06.24 | theycallmebruce | Intel provides drivers for Redhat and Suse, but not Debian |
| 03:06.24 | jetscreamer | dvdauthor maybe cleit0n |
| 03:06.27 | wt | Stevie: okay |
| 03:06.27 | kevin` | cleit0n, to have it work properly, use a dvd authoring program |
| 03:06.43 | wt | Ts0p: do you know the native resolution of your LCD? |
| 03:06.44 | derek6543 | bust3r__: thats how I do it,dunno why it didnt work. |
| 03:07.06 | Stevie | read-edid might work |
| 03:07.23 | jetscreamer | he installed that also iirc |
| 03:07.27 | Ts0p | wt i think it's 1024*7 something |
| 03:07.31 | jetscreamer | and mdetect (but i forget) |
| 03:07.46 | theycallmebruce | This is the first time I've installed any distro of Linux. Could anybody please advise on the easiest way to install on this machine with full SATA (not legacy mode) support? |
| 03:07.50 | wt | Ts0p: is it a widescreen or 4:3 screen? |
| 03:08.12 | Ts0p | wt 4:3 |
| 03:08.21 | Readon | hello, how to replace every 'xxx' with 'yyy' in a dir? |
| 03:08.24 | wt | 1024x768 is a valid resolution |
| 03:08.36 | Stevie | Readon: That's just vague enough to be unanswerable. |
| 03:08.38 | kevin` | i'd get it working in any mode and installed, then reinstall the kernel and fix the couple things that break because of different device names |
| 03:08.42 | wt | Ts0p: are you wanting to run at 1024x768? |
| 03:09.00 | Ts0p | wt yes |
| 03:09.00 | kevix | Readon: mv xxx yyy ? |
| 03:09.16 | wt | Ts0p: do you know where that setting is? |
| 03:09.18 | cleit0n | kevin`: u know one, working good.. i dont make work nothing |
| 03:09.21 | jetscreamer | isn't there some perl rename thing? |
| 03:09.25 | Stevie | there is |
| 03:09.28 | Readon | hello, how to replace every 'xxx' with 'yyy' in a dir? |
| 03:09.29 | Ts0p | wt no sir |
| 03:09.32 | Stevie | and I believe it is called 'rename' |
| 03:09.32 | wt | Ts0p: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 03:09.50 | wt | look in it and search for 800x600 |
| 03:09.51 | Stevie | hello, how to ask clear questions and then pay attention to peoples' responses? |
| 03:09.53 | kevix | Readon: need ... more .... info.... |
| 03:09.58 | kevin` | cleit0n, dvdauthor worked fine for me when I used it.. what I did wasn't very complicated though |
| 03:09.59 | Ts0p | jetscreamer thanks for the ctrl alt F1 btw ;) |
| 03:10.06 | Readon | kevix: i mean the contents, not files |
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| 03:10.17 | treyh0 | what's the best way to make a subset of the debian sarge repository, i guess like a partial mirror? |
| 03:10.30 | Stevie | !best |
| 03:10.31 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 03:10.32 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg repository |
| 03:10.42 | wt | treyh0: not debmirror |
| 03:10.46 | dondelelcaro | treyh0: apt-proxy if you don't know exactly what you want, rsync otherwise. |
| 03:10.47 | Stevie | haha |
| 03:10.47 | kevix | Readon: to look at every file in a directory and then replace evey xxx inside every file with yyy ? |
| 03:11.01 | bust3r__ | anyone else know how i make an initrd.img ? |
| 03:11.06 | dannyp_ | Readon: it's shell dependent, but you might want to try something like for i in * ; do sed s/xxx/yyy/g < $i > $i.new && mv $i.new $i ; done |
| 03:11.10 | psycho_oreos | mkinitrd |
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| 03:11.20 | dannyp_ | note the mv $i.new $i is dangerous |
| 03:11.21 | dondelelcaro | kevix: find . -type f -print0|xargs -0 perl -pi -e 's/xxx/yyy/' |
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| 03:11.24 | wt | bust3r__: look up mkinitrd or mkinitramfs |
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| 03:11.35 | treyh0 | wt: what's wrong with debmirror |
| 03:11.35 | Ts0p | wt i do not have xorg.conf |
| 03:11.35 | dannyp_ | I'd generally run it first, make sure the .new files are what I want, and then rename those |
| 03:11.42 | dondelelcaro | dannyp_: use the -i option to sed if you do that... |
| 03:11.43 | maxtor | i have a question ? |
| 03:11.45 | kevix | dondelelcaro: I was trying to read Readon's mind.... |
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| 03:11.57 | jetscreamer | bust3r__: i know nothing, but did you use the -t or -u switches? i was reading a bug report and one or both of those are needed i 'think' |
| 03:12.03 | wt | Ts0p: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:12.11 | wt | treyh0: it doesn't update trace files |
| 03:12.17 | jetscreamer | he has xfree86 i think |
| 03:12.19 | dannyp_ | dondelelcaro: huh. I just man sed and read about -i for the first time... and I've been using it in scripts for 6 years |
| 03:12.23 | cleit0n | kevin`: i have the vob's and i dont want compact.. only do one DVD with this vobs |
| 03:12.30 | Readon | kevix: yes |
| 03:12.36 | kspath | fork |
| 03:12.40 | dondelelcaro | dannyp_: heh; well, now you have a new toy to play with! ;-) |
| 03:12.44 | kevix | Readon: dondelelcaro gave you the answer! |
| 03:12.46 | kevin` | cleit0n, dvdauthor doesn't do compacting |
| 03:12.49 | wt | Ts0p: that is a command to run from the root prompt |
| 03:13.03 | dannyp_ | dondelelcaro: it's doesn't seem a whole lot more valuable than what I was used to doing |
| 03:13.09 | wt | Ts0p: are you one sarge? |
| 03:13.19 | dondelelcaro | dannyp_: it isn't; it basically does what you were doing anyway without the extra steps. |
| 03:13.22 | kevix | dannyp_: who about shorter? |
| 03:13.24 | maxtor | i have a graphics adapter via kn400 |
| 03:13.36 | dannyp_ | it's only a few characters shorter... |
| 03:13.39 | maxtor | how to configure it? |
| 03:14.00 | Ts0p | wt i typed that cmd and i got package xserver-xorg is not installed |
| 03:14.08 | dondelelcaro | dannyp_: that, and you don't have to think about getting the mv logic right and removing the temporary file... |
| 03:14.12 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: change -xorg to -xfree86 |
| 03:14.19 | wt | Ts0p: type "cat /etc/debian_version" |
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| 03:14.28 | jetscreamer | drxx |
| 03:14.36 | dondelelcaro | (or worry about symlink attacks via $i.new or clobering something named foo.new... |
| 03:14.39 | Ts0p | k |
| 03:14.41 | maxtor | my operating system is ubuntu 5.04 |
| 03:14.43 | jetscreamer | or just hit the up arrow enough times |
| 03:14.43 | kevix | dondelelcaro: temp files can lead to exploits |
| 03:14.49 | jetscreamer | #ubuntu maxtor |
| 03:14.53 | dondelelcaro | kevix: not if used correctly |
| 03:14.56 | jetscreamer | corner |
| 03:15.01 | wt | maxtor: there is always #ubuntu |
| 03:15.10 | cleit0n | kevin`: u know how i do with this dvdauthor.. is command line |
| 03:15.13 | maxtor | thanks |
| 03:15.27 | Ts0p | wt it's on |
| 03:15.28 | kevin` | cleit0n, i'm not an expert on it |
| 03:15.33 | jetscreamer | cleit0n: there is qdvdauthor for a front-end, but i know nothing except the name |
| 03:15.40 | wt | Ts0p: what's on? |
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| 03:15.51 | Ts0p | xfree86 |
| 03:15.54 | wt | ah |
| 03:16.04 | wt | you must be running sarge or something |
| 03:16.04 | jetscreamer | i 'think' he means the dpkg-reconfigure |
| 03:16.08 | kevix | gravity: some one yesterday was asking about one of those new Xorg thingies: lumosity. will that be in the 7.0 in experimental? |
| 03:16.32 | LSorensen | kevix: lumosity? |
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| 03:16.52 | jetscreamer | god i feel like a phone answering boy on a help desk referring to a higher tier :( |
| 03:16.57 | kevix | LSorensen: that's for doing an aspell on my text! |
| 03:17.08 | Readon | dondelelcaro: it seems that the command replace every first found word in a line but all |
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| 03:17.21 | dondelelcaro | Readon: if you want all, use /g |
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| 03:17.28 | dondelelcaro | ala: s/xxx/yyy/g |
| 03:17.29 | kevix | Readon: you didn't tell us that. |
| 03:17.57 | dannyp_ | kevix: yeah he did |
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| 03:18.15 | LSorensen | kevix: did you mean Luminocity? |
| 03:18.29 | kevix | dannyp_: then I need to go back to vulcan for more mind-meld training... |
| 03:18.37 | kevix | LSorensen: bingo! |
| 03:18.40 | LSorensen | kevix: it' |
| 03:18.56 | dondelelcaro | kevix: and it's often a good idea to have mkdir ~/tmp; if [ "$(stat -c'%u%g%a\n' ~/tmp)" == "$(id -u)$(id -g)755"]; then export TMPDIR=~/tmp; fi; |
| 03:19.00 | dondelelcaro | (or similar) |
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| 03:19.18 | LSorensen | kevix: it will have no more work done on it. the useful bits are going into metacity to support the AIGLX work. |
| 03:19.25 | deadcat | gravity: boston? |
| 03:19.33 | dondelelcaro | probably should also have a -d ~/tmp to... |
| 03:19.34 | gravity | deadcat: Yes |
| 03:19.37 | LSorensen | kevix: it was just an experiment and never intended to be useful |
| 03:19.39 | gravity | Same as ever |
| 03:19.45 | deadcat | gravity: so you gonna go to LWCE in boston? |
| 03:20.24 | gravity | deadcat: Maybe for a day. I'm not sure I want to take the whole time for it again |
| 03:20.27 | gravity | deadcat: I was there last year |
| 03:20.28 | kevix | LSorensen: ok. I saw that alternative 'glx' thingy in incomming. so, its going to be IN metacity. cool! |
| 03:20.44 | gravity | er... |
| 03:20.46 | gravity | uh... |
| 03:20.56 | LSorensen | kevix: it's just a window manager that supports composite extensions to X. |
| 03:21.00 | gravity | kevix: What's that? |
| 03:21.06 | deadcat | gravity: oh. well i am in CA so... but i did go to the one is SF for the last 3 years. |
| 03:21.08 | LSorensen | kevix: some day we may have X servers with that support. |
| 03:21.26 | deadcat | gravity: gonna show off glx this year? (= |
| 03:21.26 | gravity | LSorensen: Xorg does support composite. Just not very fast currently |
| 03:21.31 | LSorensen | kevix: novell/suse is working on XGL as an X server. Redhat is working on AIGLX as an Xorg extension |
| 03:21.33 | gravity | deadcat: I have no idea |
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| 03:21.43 | LSorensen | gravity: well opengl accelerated composite extensions :) |
| 03:22.01 | cleit0n | jetscreamer: qdvdauthor broken everytime |
| 03:22.04 | cleit0n | :/ |
| 03:22.06 | gravity | And AIGLX isn't an Xorg extension. It's just another piece of the GLX that needed writing anyway |
| 03:22.47 | kevix | LSorensen: 2 differnt GL version? why not cooperate? |
| 03:22.49 | LSorensen | kevix: who knows. XGL is a new x server apparently, not just add ons to X.org |
| 03:22.53 | LSorensen | kevix: obviously other people thought that was the wrong approach and did aiglx instead |
| 03:22.54 | gravity | XGL has to run on top of Xorg currently |
| 03:23.04 | deadcat | LSorensen: kinna confusing.. since xorg we out like less than a year. and now xgl replacing xorg already? |
| 03:23.06 | kevix | LSorensen: ok. misread. server vs. extension. |
| 03:23.09 | gravity | Xegl is the planned version of it that doesn't need Xorg underneath, but that's not very far along yet |
| 03:23.21 | gravity | AIGLX may end up being sufficient for a long time |
| 03:23.24 | LSorensen | gravity: oh right |
| 03:23.32 | LSorensen | gravity: sounds more sane to me for now. |
| 03:23.40 | gravity | deadcat: Not replacing, no |
| 03:23.48 | gravity | It's more complex than that |
| 03:23.52 | deadcat | gravity: but aiglx doesnt seem to be ready. i mean there demo sucks |
| 03:24.01 | gravity | deadcat: By what standard? |
| 03:24.07 | LSorensen | deadcat: well, they just didn't spend as much time on the window manager actually using it |
| 03:24.09 | gravity | And you're right, it's not ready, but neither is Xgl really |
| 03:24.15 | LSorensen | deadcat: or as much time making fancy demos |
| 03:24.16 | deadcat | gravity: compare to glx (= |
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| 03:24.27 | gravity | deadcat: You need to use proper terminology. I don't understand what you mean. |
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| 03:24.35 | gravity | deadcat: Comparing to glx doesn't make any sense... it is glx |
| 03:24.44 | kevix | gravity: yesterday someone wanted to compile 'luminosity' and I ask if it was going to be in the experimeal 7.0. LSorensen said it was going into metacity...? |
| 03:24.47 | Ts0p | wt i got the info about my laptop for the screen its "14.1- or 15.0-in XGA (1024x768) TFT LCD." |
| 03:24.47 | LSorensen | deadcat: glx and xgl are two very different things, although they do have things in common |
| 03:24.52 | deadcat | LSorensen: well xgl won me with that demo (= |
| 03:25.01 | LSorensen | kevix: redhat is adding some of the composite stuff to metacity in FC5 it seems |
| 03:25.02 | gravity | kevix: LSorensen is right |
| 03:25.05 | gravity | Sorta |
| 03:25.22 | LSorensen | deadcat: yeah and years ago everyone thought enlightenment looked so cool, until they tried to run it :) |
| 03:25.26 | gravity | luminocity was more of a total chance for the RH guys to learn how to write compositing stuff |
| 03:25.26 | deadcat | LSorensen: no i meant the one from fedora and xgl |
| 03:25.37 | deadcat | LSorensen: i guess (= |
| 03:25.41 | gravity | They took that knowledge (not so much of the actual code) and used it in metacity's new compmgr |
| 03:25.44 | LSorensen | deadcat: the very neat demo was from novell |
| 03:25.49 | gravity | This is totally independant of AIGLX in reality |
| 03:25.54 | jetscreamer | !info dvdstyler |
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| 03:26.09 | deadcat | LSorensen: ya. the scale and the alt+tab thing is VERY useful. the cube is nice too. |
| 03:26.16 | kevix | gravity: I installed that: compmgr and transset. |
| 03:26.16 | LSorensen | gravity: of course. they can use the same window manager on xgl and it should work fine, and any other X server that supports composite extensions |
| 03:26.18 | gravity | deadcat: The demo you saw that wow'ed you wasn't Xgl so much as compiz, the window manager written by Xgl's author to run on Xgl and show it off |
| 03:26.34 | gravity | LSorensen: Right |
| 03:26.38 | LSorensen | deadcat: just window manager tricks. should work on any implementation if someone adds those things to the window manager you are using |
| 03:26.49 | Ts0p | wt are you still here?! |
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| 03:27.02 | LSorensen | gravity: the compiz sure was nifty looking. |
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| 03:27.03 | gravity | There's lots of different pieces here. It's very complex and most people don't seem to understand it at all. |
| 03:27.12 | gravity | LSorensen: Agreed. I can't wait to play with it |
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| 03:27.17 | gravity | But I have responsibilities to deal with first |
| 03:27.20 | jetscreamer | speaking of... ts0p what happens if you hit ctrl + keypadPlus or keypadMinus |
| 03:27.24 | bust3r_ | ywell |
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| 03:27.28 | Ts0p | jetscreamer no man ...but i got some info about the screen here ..."14.1- or 15.0-in XGA (1024x768) TFT LCD." |
| 03:27.30 | bust3r_ | initrd wont work either |
| 03:27.31 | bust3r_ | lol |
| 03:27.31 | deadcat | LSorensen: ya. i am using openbox. and those guys are LAZY!! (= |
| 03:27.32 | LSorensen | gravity: of course I would probably end up turning a lot of it off to make the system run faster in the long run :) |
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| 03:27.38 | gravity | LSorensen: Heh |
| 03:27.43 | bust3r_ | i made one but no working :/ |
| 03:27.52 | kevix | gravity: I wanted to install the 7.0. but I saw many,many video card extension. will it install all of them? |
| 03:27.54 | bust3r_ | guess i stick with debian's kernel hehe |
| 03:28.02 | LSorensen | gravity: like windows's fade in menus, and mac os X's flying minimize and such |
| 03:28.10 | gravity | kevix: It can |
| 03:28.18 | gravity | kevix: Those aren't extensions. They're drivers. |
| 03:28.19 | Ts0p | jetscreamer Integrated AGP, 3D embedded in VIA ProSavage. |
| 03:28.32 | gravity | LSorensen: Yeah. Looks spiffy, but I'd get irritated too |
| 03:28.56 | gravity | I'm more interested in what's going in to metacity, although I hope they implement a plugin system so people can add those effects like in compiz |
| 03:29.13 | kevix | gravity: sorry. mind blank. then I'd have to redo the xorg.conf and figure out which one or will dpkg-reconfigure do it. |
| 03:29.24 | gravity | kevix: Your old xorg.conf will work fine |
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| 03:29.36 | gravity | kevix: 7.0 is identical to 6.9 in terms of code |
| 03:29.38 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: i'm good with nvidia and crt's... but what driver are you telling xfree86 to use |
| 03:29.42 | gravity | Although we don't have the debian patches ported yet |
| 03:29.46 | horse | foo shizzle http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Djus.gif |
| 03:29.46 | kevix | gravity: I'm using nvidia-legacy.. any thing with that,. |
| 03:29.52 | gravity | kevix: I don't know about that |
| 03:30.07 | kevix | gravity: thx! |
| 03:30.19 | Ts0p | jetscreamer i choosed tredinet |
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| 03:30.53 | Ts0p | jetscreamer it's asking me now to enter horizontal value |
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| 03:31.56 | kevix | anyone know how to restore GNOME desktop icon, they went generic after a dist-upgrade on sid yesterday. |
| 03:32.18 | Ts0p | jetscreamer wht should i put there |
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| 03:35.29 | Ts0p | why it's so quite here? |
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| 03:36.45 | jetscreamer | ts0p you should have gotten that info from hwinfo --monitor |
| 03:37.18 | Stevie | erm |
| 03:37.47 | Ts0p | jetscreamer nothing happen where i run hwifo |
| 03:37.50 | Stevie | How do I save debug logs to a mounted usb mass storage device in the etch beta 2 netinstaller? |
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| 03:38.09 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: sudo hwinfo --monitor |
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| 03:38.21 | jetscreamer | Stevie: they probably know in #debian-boot |
| 03:38.22 | kevix | Stevie: while the installer in running? |
| 03:38.43 | Ts0p | jetscreamer nothing |
| 03:39.24 | Stevie | kevix: In the menu |
| 03:39.34 | Stevie | I have a number of options |
| 03:39.42 | Stevie | such as 'check the cd-rom's integrity' |
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| 03:40.32 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: i believe you should use the savage driver |
| 03:40.32 | kevix | Stevie: if you add the appropriate usb modules then you mount a usb device and copy any file you want. |
| 03:40.48 | Stevie | Actually I had no problems mounting a usb device |
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| 03:41.03 | Ts0p | jetscreamer how |
| 03:41.06 | Stevie | When I choose Sve debug logs |
| 03:41.07 | kevix | Stevie: what file then? |
| 03:41.11 | Stevie | I don't know |
| 03:41.14 | Stevie | When I choose Save debug logs |
| 03:41.16 | Stevie | it asks me |
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| 03:41.28 | Stevie | How should the debug logs be transferred? |
| 03:41.33 | Stevie | floppy, web, mounted file system |
| 03:41.50 | kevix | Stevie: a usb device is a monuted filesystem. |
| 03:41.55 | Stevie | since there is no FD, and networking isn't working, I have to choose the latter |
| 03:41.59 | Stevie | but when I do |
| 03:42.01 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: this guy says he has one of your laptops and this is his XF86Config-4 (the config file) http://isomerica.net/~dpn/gryphon-XF86Config.txt you choose savage instead of trident when dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:42.16 | Stevie | it does something that looks like a progress window, and goes right back to the main menu |
| 03:42.37 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: it even seems to have the horiz and vert rates you need.. but you need to be sure. |
| 03:42.47 | Stevie | It doesn't even erase the old window before drawing the main menu |
| 03:42.51 | kevix | Stevie: do you see the led on the usb drive blink? |
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| 03:43.01 | Ts0p | jetscreamer ok hold on |
| 03:43.02 | Stevie | the usb drive does not have an led |
| 03:43.35 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: alternatively, you can choose medium instead of advanced, when asked. |
| 03:43.39 | kevix | Stevie: are you shure you have it mounted? did you check the path then to the device? |
| 03:44.37 | Stevie | I can ls files on the device |
| 03:44.57 | kevix | Stevie: is it Readonly or ReadWrite? |
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| 03:45.01 | Stevie | kevix, it's not even asking me WHERE the device is mounted. Shouldn't it do that before it tries anything? |
| 03:45.35 | kevix | Stevie: ok. as other said, go to #debian-boot or to the mailing list by the same name. |
| 03:45.41 | jetscreamer | higher tier support aint all it's cracked up to be anyway |
| 03:45.44 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 03:45.47 | Stevie | heh |
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| 03:45.54 | kevix | Stevie: and of course, check in the BTS |
| 03:45.59 | Stevie | BTS? |
| 03:46.00 | jetscreamer | but man did i like it when they called in the outside consultant to fix my adsl speed |
| 03:46.02 | Stevie | bit torrent syndrome? |
| 03:46.06 | kevix | Stevie:!bts |
| 03:46.11 | kevix | !bts |
| 03:46.11 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 03:46.12 | jetscreamer | bug..track... |
| 03:46.17 | Stevie | ah |
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| 03:47.51 | jetscreamer | how do ya'll think this wil go over: hey ya'll were juking me out of 1024kb/s for 6 months, i want credit. |
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| 03:49.09 | jetscreamer | apt-listbugs is cool, but i've always hit y |
| 03:49.32 | Stevie | 1024kb/s? |
| 03:49.39 | kevix | jetscreamer: at least you are informed! |
| 03:49.55 | jetscreamer | it's supposed to be 3meg d/l it was only 2 |
| 03:50.03 | Stevie | heh |
| 03:50.13 | jetscreamer | *speed* |
| 03:50.28 | kevix | jetscreamer: depends if its dsl or cable. cable is a shared medium, dsl is not |
| 03:50.29 | nvz | I usually just look at what apt-listbugs tells me and if its an important package or the description seems interesting, I will read the bug and determine its importance. |
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| 03:51.11 | nvz | you have to make sure the bug really applies to you.. sometimes they file em wrong for different versions or archs.. sources from ubuntu and shit |
| 03:51.13 | jetscreamer | dsl, but the 'eula' says *up to* but it could never *get* up to because it was capped |
| 03:51.58 | kevix | jetscreamer: oh yea! I forgot about the 'unlimited' CAPPED bandwidth! |
| 03:52.03 | nvz | I know users filing bugs wrond is hard to imagine : |
| 03:52.16 | nvz | but it happens |
| 03:52.20 | Stevie | nvz: I'm shocked at the number of people who come in here using Ubuntu. |
| 03:52.24 | jetscreamer | usually the important bugs are very long and filled with ^^that |
| 03:52.29 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 03:52.37 | jetscreamer | Stevie: hang in #ubuntu and just watch |
| 03:52.48 | jetscreamer | it can be funny, in a sad way |
| 03:52.57 | jetscreamer | i like to help them when i can though |
| 03:53.01 | nvz | Stevie: I'm not these distros took a fine collection of software that runs on linux and put it into an easy to use package and then dont support it as well as we do |
| 03:53.13 | kevix | Stevie: I would say that debian users in #ubuntu << ubuntu users in #debian |
| 03:53.35 | jetscreamer | i have to say : i DETEST the ubuntu logo, the circle of people looking up |
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| 03:53.42 | dannyp_ | kevix: come on, the internet is a shared medium. I don't see why people obsess about how "shared" their link is to their next hop |
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| 03:54.24 | kevix | dannyp_: I mean with cable, you speed depends on how many folks are using the net and watch tv! not for dsl. |
| 03:54.28 | jetscreamer | is shuttleworth the gentoo guy who moved on to ms, or was that somebody else |
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| 03:55.06 | kevix | jetscreamer: daniel robbins was the gentoo founder. shuttleworth owned thawte. went into outerspace. |
| 03:55.11 | dannyp_ | kevix: it certainly does not depend on how many people are watching TV, and if *everyone* uses the internet, your DSL *will* be congested when you use it to access much of anything |
| 03:55.27 | shogunx | jetscreamer: have you seen the alternate ubuntu logo? |
| 03:55.34 | jetscreamer | no i havent |
| 03:55.39 | shogunx | jetscreamer: http://www.moule.org/images/image-medium.html#current=ubuntu-704x528.jpg |
| 03:55.54 | Stevie | Is it the debian logo with the red 'prohibited' symbol over it, saying WE'RE NOT DEBIAN! ? |
| 03:56.05 | Stevie | Cuz it should be |
| 03:56.07 | nvz | Stevie: things have been getting a little better in here lately. some of use learned when to step up, and others learned when to just STFU.. like myself. I say as little as possble :P |
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| 03:56.08 | jetscreamer | well i like that one a lot better |
| 03:56.12 | Ts0p | this is stupid but my shutdown is not workingm..... |
| 03:56.13 | kevix | dannyp_: all i can say is that more folks compalin about cable slowness than dsl slowness. |
| 03:56.23 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: screen big? |
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| 03:56.26 | jetscreamer | or no |
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| 03:56.29 | Stevie | roflmao |
| 03:56.45 | Digital_Pioneer | Ts0p: Not that stupid. I can't get ACPI working to handle powerbtn event. |
| 03:56.55 | Digital_Pioneer | And if ANYONE could help wiht that..... |
| 03:57.02 | Stevie | It could be worse. |
| 03:57.05 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: and you need to expand on 'not working', like say it does this, this, and this, then hangs... or whatever |
| 03:57.16 | dannyp | kevix: and that has to do with the relative quality of service, and not the medium itself (in my opinion) |
| 03:57.24 | dannyp | it's ISPs, not technology |
| 03:57.31 | Stevie | You could be using XP and be unable to *suppress* that powerbtn event, even from things like keyboards |
| 03:57.35 | jetscreamer | and i saw some kind of powersave not fully functional on the lappy for the guy |
| 03:58.03 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: http://isomerica.net/articles/hp_zt1000/ |
| 03:58.23 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: what about the monitor |
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| 03:58.28 | jetscreamer | fixed, or no |
| 03:58.38 | Carlito | how can i download a rar-unrar? i am using a ubuntu debian |
| 03:58.39 | Carlito | please help |
| 03:58.43 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 03:58.55 | Carlito | me i am very very little speaking a englishh |
| 03:58.55 | jetscreamer | Carlito: /msg ubotu find rar |
| 03:59.02 | Digital_Pioneer | I do have XP installed in dual-boot... |
| 03:59.02 | jetscreamer | in #ubuntu |
| 03:59.09 | nvz | I just sat up straight and heard my back snaping like a tree falling |
| 03:59.17 | jetscreamer | Carlito: also /msg ubotu es |
| 03:59.38 | jetscreamer | wait till it's your knees, nvz |
| 03:59.39 | Digital_Pioneer | But what does XP's installation have to do with my ACPI not working? |
| 03:59.49 | nvz | speaking of XP dual boot.. can D-I or XP or some other readily available tool resize an XP install to put debian on with it? |
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| 04:00.13 | dondelelcaro | nvz: d-i can, yes. |
| 04:00.17 | Carlito | what is the apt archive of rar? |
| 04:00.17 | jetscreamer | i guess Ts0p would be vocal if the screen still wasn't working |
| 04:00.37 | jetscreamer | Carlito: non-free contrib.. aka universe/multiverse |
| 04:00.40 | nvz | I am burning a disc set for someone with XP its not really needed He'd rather have just debian than just XP but I am sure he wouldnt mind having both |
| 04:01.29 | nvz | dondelelcaro: the partitioner can shrink NTFS? |
| 04:01.36 | wt | Ts0p: I am now |
| 04:01.46 | dondelelcaro | nvz: in most circumstances, yes. |
| 04:01.52 | Digital_Pioneer | I was surprised, but Mandrake's partitioner handled NTFS. |
| 04:01.59 | Digital_Pioneer | I can't speak for Mandriva though. |
| 04:02.00 | nvz | hmm.. I find that amazing since support for NTFS isnt that great |
| 04:02.10 | Digital_Pioneer | I did too. |
| 04:02.21 | Digital_Pioneer | I belive Qt Parted does it. |
| 04:02.25 | Digital_Pioneer | Knoppix has it. |
| 04:02.38 | jetscreamer | the fs isn't the partition though |
| 04:02.44 | Digital_Pioneer | No. |
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| 04:03.12 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: sure, but if you shrink the filesystem, you can rewrite the partition table sanely. |
| 04:03.29 | nvz | I just did a netinstall to my friends hd and his roomate wants his XP changed to debian now.. but since his XP still works I thought I may leave it for now until he gets to know what hes doing |
| 04:03.30 | dondelelcaro | (obviously, you can always rewrite the partition table anyway, but...) |
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| 04:03.51 | Stevie | lol |
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| 04:04.10 | Digital_Pioneer | My XP had a virus a few days ago. I was glad to have Debian. |
| 04:04.15 | jetscreamer | yes leave the clubies an out, always good policy |
| 04:04.41 | jetscreamer | or even the non-clubies |
| 04:04.55 | nvz | these people arent online and dont plan to be.. so viruses arent a real big issue |
| 04:04.56 | kevix | dannyp: have you ever tried to use wine for any apps? |
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| 04:05.17 | dannyp | kevix: yes, I use 0.9.6 with starcraft regularly. it's killed my productivity |
| 04:05.26 | nvz | I may network them once they both got debian though for filesharing and gaming since they dont have internet, they can at least have a network |
| 04:05.26 | kevix | dannyp: hehe. |
| 04:05.28 | dannyp | I've experimented with the combination since 1998, it finally started working well for me |
| 04:06.06 | kevix | Digital_Pioneer: do you use wine for any apps? |
| 04:06.29 | Digital_Pioneer | Uhh... |
| 04:06.33 | Digital_Pioneer | I have it installed. |
| 04:06.42 | Digital_Pioneer | But when I tried to use it, it didn't work too well. |
| 04:06.48 | kevix | dannyp: I hit 'd' and it said 'dannp'. opps. my bad. |
| 04:06.53 | ayang | haiiii |
| 04:07.14 | dannyp | Digital_Pioneer: that's what I said about windows... |
| 04:07.16 | kevix | Digital_Pioneer: I was abel to use excel, photoshot... |
| 04:07.22 | nvz | is there a text browser that can handle ssl and stuff to look at invoices and stuff on my online acocunts? |
| 04:07.32 | Stevie | wget ? |
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| 04:07.36 | nvz | heh |
| 04:07.36 | Digital_Pioneer | kevix: In general, expensiveware? LOL |
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| 04:07.49 | Stevie | photoshot? |
| 04:07.52 | shogunx | nvz lynx-ssl |
| 04:07.56 | dannyp | anyhow, these days, I treat windows as a security risk and I won't run it on any machine that I have important data on. |
| 04:07.59 | kevix | Digital_Pioneer: you said you had xp. then what do you use on it/ |
| 04:08.04 | nvz | hmm I didnt know about that one |
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| 04:08.12 | Digital_Pioneer | Some games... |
| 04:08.18 | Digital_Pioneer | I'm pretty new to Debian. |
| 04:08.22 | Digital_Pioneer | Haven't installed much yet. |
| 04:08.25 | nvz | I'll look into it later.. gotta go to work. |
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| 04:08.26 | kevix | Digital_Pioneer: investiage CEDEGA for linux |
| 04:08.36 | shogunx | Digital_Pioneer try falconseye |
| 04:08.38 | Digital_Pioneer | I looked at it. |
| 04:08.45 | kevix | shogunx: my fav! |
| 04:08.46 | Digital_Pioneer | I don't think it's free... |
| 04:08.48 | hyperstream | how do i tell if im using alsa or oss? |
| 04:08.55 | Stevie | falcon's eye? |
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| 04:09.00 | kevix | Digital_Pioneer: yes. but either is XP! |
| 04:09.00 | Stevie | that crappy nethack port? |
| 04:09.01 | Digital_Pioneer | No. |
| 04:09.07 | nvz | got Debian 3.1r1 i386 biniary isos 1, 2 4, 5, and 6 now :P 3 seems to have choaked on me |
| 04:09.07 | Digital_Pioneer | CEDEGA |
| 04:09.23 | Digital_Pioneer | What is Falcon's Eye? |
| 04:09.25 | jetscreamer | DVD |
| 04:09.27 | shogunx | kevix i dig it too... |
| 04:09.31 | jetscreamer | it's the new thing |
| 04:09.40 | shogunx | Stevie actually not a port, just a sdl interface |
| 04:09.55 | Stevie | whatever. I tried it once. It sucks :P |
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| 04:10.07 | Stevie | one of these days |
| 04:10.10 | Stevie | I should go back to nao |
| 04:10.13 | Stevie | and finish my wizard |
| 04:10.14 | jetscreamer | idsoftware |
| 04:10.15 | shogunx | Digital_Pioneer falconseye is a new shiny interface on a great game called nethack. |
| 04:10.17 | kevix | Digital_Pioneer: apt-get install falconseye |
| 04:10.20 | hyperstream | how do i tell if im using alsa or oss? |
| 04:10.27 | Stevie | does oss still exist? |
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| 04:10.33 | Digital_Pioneer | Nethack... |
| 04:10.36 | hyperstream | i didnt think so |
| 04:10.38 | Digital_Pioneer | Good game, eh? |
| 04:10.50 | hyperstream | im trying to get 5.1 surrond sound |
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| 04:11.03 | shogunx | Digital_Pioneer i have quite enjoyed it, and it plays differently every itme you play. |
| 04:11.10 | Digital_Pioneer | Hmm. |
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| 04:11.29 | Digital_Pioneer | shogunx: I assume it needs nethack installed. |
| 04:11.40 | kevix | shogunx: oh. those killer bees! |
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| 04:12.09 | Digital_Pioneer | This may be a problem: |
| 04:12.09 | Digital_Pioneer | /home/thedigitalpioneer# apt-cache policy nethack |
| 04:12.09 | Digital_Pioneer | This may be a problem: |
| 04:12.09 | Digital_Pioneer | /home/thedigitalpioneer# apt-cache policy nethack |
| 04:12.09 | Digital_Pioneer | This may be a problem: |
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| 04:12.10 | shogunx | Digital_Pioneer apt-get will install all the dependencies for you |
| 04:13.22 | hyperstream | where is the alsa config located? |
| 04:13.23 | kevix | shogunx: apt-cache depends falconseye |
| 04:13.25 | shogunx | kevix and the shai halud... |
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| 04:13.46 | kevix | shogunx: oh. never met that! |
| 04:14.11 | kevix | hyperstream: all unix preferences are located in /etc/<package> |
| 04:14.16 | shogunx | kevix and of course the replicating gremlins |
| 04:14.24 | el_cubano | I am trying to redeliver a large mbox of messages back to myself (my mail server was down and a frined collected my mail for me). Anyhow, I keep getting this: "relay=local, delay=366, status=bounced (mail forwarding loop" How do I avoid the loop? |
| 04:14.52 | kevix | shogunx: missed those to.. I've only gotten to level 8 or the gnomish mines. |
| 04:15.37 | shogunx | kevix i went nethack-x11 junkiw for a month or so 5 or 6 years ago... made it down to the 30s. |
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| 04:15.50 | hyperstream | kevix, is there some kinda alsa config file for enabling 5.1 surround sound? |
| 04:16.00 | noober | hey i just installed debian i need some help installing nvidia |
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| 04:16.20 | noober | im not a total noob but when it comes to debian i am |
| 04:16.29 | kevix | hyperstream: sounds like an issue for your sound card config--kernel modules options... |
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| 04:16.38 | el_cubano | noober: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/index.html |
| 04:16.44 | shogunx | ladies and gentlemen, noober presenting "how to taint a kernel" in 7 easy steps! |
| 04:17.00 | noober | har har |
| 04:17.03 | hyperstream | hmm what do you mean ? everything works except my sub woofer. all 4 speakers etc. |
| 04:17.08 | hyperstream | but not the sub:x |
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| 04:17.20 | kevix | noober: you can always try the 'nv' generic driver and then work on getting the 'nvidia' to work later. |
| 04:17.29 | Stevie | shogunx: 7??? |
| 04:17.29 | yggdrasil | hello gents |
| 04:17.29 | noober | im using nv |
| 04:17.33 | noober | and it sux |
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| 04:17.46 | shogunx | Stevie arbitrary |
| 04:17.49 | kevix | hyperstream: did you configure with: alsamixer? |
| 04:17.59 | hyperstream | i used alsaconf |
| 04:18.03 | xoz_ | nvidia should be thrown to the blackhole or wormhole or arsehole |
| 04:18.19 | kevix | !module-assistant nvidia |
| 04:18.22 | hyperstream | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 04:18.24 | noober | yeah glide can lick my balls |
| 04:18.29 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, strange. Kopete wasn't delivering my messages. |
| 04:18.32 | noober | i think 3dfx was where it was at |
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| 04:19.04 | yggdrasil | how can i ssh into a box and start x ? |
| 04:19.08 | yggdrasil | i did it oncei cant remeber |
| 04:19.12 | yggdrasil | you somehow redirect |
| 04:19.30 | Digital_Pioneer | So could someone please assist me with ACPI? |
| 04:19.32 | kevix | damog: abrotman was here yesterday: he said: its only cake! |
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| 04:20.10 | damog | kevix: i didn't say anything different |
| 04:20.13 | dondelelcaro | yggdrasil: ssh -X foohost; xeyes; |
| 04:20.14 | noober | fsck dude that nvidia debioan page is confusing |
| 04:20.25 | kevix | yggdrasil: can you ssh? you you know how to start X? |
| 04:20.25 | yggdrasil | dondelcaro thanks |
| 04:20.26 | dondelelcaro | yggdrasil: this assumes that you've enabled ssh forwarding in sshd. |
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| 04:20.52 | yggdrasil | well there was a cmd i would enter |
| 04:20.56 | yggdrasil | after i would ssh in |
| 04:21.02 | yggdrasil | it would redirect |
| 04:21.03 | yggdrasil | i think |
| 04:21.07 | yggdrasil | i think it was redirect |
| 04:21.10 | dondelelcaro | yggdrasil: no, there's no command to enter after you ssh in. |
| 04:21.19 | dondelelcaro | ssh -X sets up DISPLAY for you. |
| 04:21.30 | yggdrasil | yes there is actualy |
| 04:21.33 | shogunx | yggdrasil if you are running xdm, kdm, gdm, etc on the remote host, you can run X -query $remotehost and get a whole *dm login session |
| 04:21.45 | yggdrasil | hmm intersting |
| 04:21.51 | yggdrasil | dondelcaro |
| 04:21.57 | yggdrasil | so you ssh in and then ssh - X |
| 04:21.57 | shogunx | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.58 | yggdrasil | ? |
| 04:22.05 | dondelelcaro | yggdrasil: no, you just ssh -X foohost; |
| 04:22.23 | yggdrasil | well see your assume in sshing in from a linbox |
| 04:22.37 | yggdrasil | what if im sshing in from my phone and i want to start say xeyes |
| 04:22.40 | yggdrasil | ive done it before |
| 04:22.42 | dondelelcaro | yggdrasil: uh... well, obviously you're ssh'ing in from something running a X server |
| 04:22.53 | yggdrasil | well im on a windows box right now with putty |
| 04:23.05 | dondelelcaro | yggdrasil: that won't help you unless you're running an X server. |
| 04:23.15 | yggdrasil | theres soemthing i did once |
| 04:23.17 | yggdrasil | i sshd in |
| 04:23.30 | Stevie | from a fone? |
| 04:23.31 | yggdrasil | and then i did redirect display: 0 or something |
| 04:23.38 | shogunx | yggdrasil you could try cygwin |
| 04:23.38 | dondelelcaro | (in which case you need to look at the documentation of your X server for how to set up an ssh tunnel with X) |
| 04:23.42 | kevix | yggdrasil: there exists X for windows. but its $$ |
| 04:23.50 | yggdrasil | hang on |
| 04:23.50 | Stevie | there's a few java X servers |
| 04:23.59 | Stevie | I remember trying to start Enlightenment. It didn't work well. |
| 04:24.01 | yggdrasil | i would type redirect display: x |
| 04:24.13 | dondelelcaro | yggdrasil: in any case, that's how you do it on Debian; we can't support window here. |
| 04:24.15 | yggdrasil | and then like cmds i would type from my ssh would pop up on the local x display |
| 04:24.24 | yggdrasil | ill come back and show you |
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| 04:24.35 | Ts0p | jetscreamer hey i got it working |
| 04:24.45 | jetscreamer | funny that somebody in ubuntu just said the no E thing |
| 04:24.51 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 04:25.14 | yggdrasil | ill fuckin sow you guys |
| 04:25.26 | yggdrasil | just gime some time to remember it |
| 04:25.27 | kevix | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.37 | Stevie | no E thing? |
| 04:25.37 | dondelelcaro | you'll plant us as seed? |
| 04:25.39 | jetscreamer | does that mean it now functions, Ts0p ? |
| 04:25.51 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.55 | jetscreamer | not 'me' |
| 04:26.14 | Stevie | oh |
| 04:26.26 | Ts0p | jetscreamer the GNOME is working fine but the terminal is still small |
| 04:26.29 | Stevie | enlightenment bitched that it couldn't use some sort of shared memory thing with the x server running over the network |
| 04:26.46 | shogunx | dondelelcaro not that we would really want to support windows... |
| 04:26.55 | jetscreamer | the terminal? you mean gnome is nice and full screen, but the console is tiny, Ts0p ? |
| 04:27.03 | jetscreamer | aka ctrl alt f1? |
| 04:27.07 | Ts0p | Now i want to get working on Kismet |
| 04:27.15 | Ts0p | yep |
| 04:27.17 | xoz_ | yggdrasil: you should use dpkg --force option to overwrite the config |
| 04:27.18 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:27.28 | jetscreamer | yay |
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| 04:28.00 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: when you care about the console, hwinfo --framebuffer may help with what to set. |
| 04:28.06 | romulo | everytime i try to use cdrecord it says i dont have permissions, i already set the setuid on the dpkg-reconfigure method, what i need to do to normal users use it? |
| 04:28.24 | Stevie | strace cdrecord args |
| 04:28.26 | noober | isnt there an apt for nvidia? |
| 04:28.32 | Stevie | err |
| 04:28.38 | Stevie | unless the cdrecord executable is suid |
| 04:28.40 | xoz_ | romulo: add them to the audio/cd/ or whatever group |
| 04:28.42 | jetscreamer | not in etch noober it's incompatible with xorg |
| 04:28.42 | Ts0p | jetscreamer cool ... now i need help with kismet |
| 04:28.46 | romulo | they already are in |
| 04:28.47 | romulo | XoR, |
| 04:28.48 | romulo | ops |
| 04:28.49 | kevix | noober: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 04:28.51 | romulo | xoz, |
| 04:28.55 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: #debian-kde maybe , i don't know |
| 04:29.11 | xoz_ | romulo: relogin |
| 04:29.19 | romulo | ah oki |
| 04:29.20 | romulo | thanks |
| 04:29.21 | romulo | =) |
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| 04:30.16 | shogunx | Ts0p there are only like 3-4 variables you must set in /etc/kismet/kismet.conf |
| 04:30.42 | jetscreamer | i know nothing Digital_Pioneer but do you have the acpi modules loaded? and what year is your bios? older bios's (iirc <- 2000) are disabled by the kernel by default |
| 04:30.51 | jetscreamer | <= |
| 04:31.13 | Digital_Pioneer | I can't boot with it enabled. |
| 04:31.15 | Ts0p | shogunx i tried to run it , but it asking me to set the wlan to monitoer mode , but when i do iwconfig wlan0 mode moniter i get error |
| 04:31.23 | jetscreamer | is that apic or acpi |
| 04:31.31 | jetscreamer | that you can't boot with it enabled |
| 04:31.43 | Digital_Pioneer | ACPI |
| 04:31.52 | shogunx | Ts0p did you try running kismet as root? |
| 04:32.02 | Digital_Pioneer | Booting from GRUB, it must be set to acpi=off |
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| 04:32.14 | Digital_Pioneer | Otherwise it says "Uncompressing Linux... OK" and stops. |
| 04:32.30 | Digital_Pioneer | Nothing happens, and I have to hold power button in till it shuts off. |
| 04:32.34 | xoz_ | Digital_Pioneer: which means that you may have a strange system |
| 04:32.46 | jetscreamer | well, what year is the bios and what computer.. laptop? |
| 04:32.52 | xoz_ | lspci |
| 04:32.57 | Digital_Pioneer | No. It's a desktop. |
| 04:33.14 | Digital_Pioneer | Is the fact that I use a Celeron pertinent? |
| 04:33.19 | xoz_ | desktop doesnt neet acpi |
| 04:33.21 | Ts0p | shogunx yes...it asking about server then it exit |
| 04:33.34 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, but I'd like it to work. |
| 04:33.43 | jetscreamer | probably not the celeron part |
| 04:33.54 | Digital_Pioneer | I want to be able to handle powerbtn event. |
| 04:34.01 | shogunx | Ts0p have you edited /etc/kismet/kismet.conf to match your wireless card? |
| 04:34.10 | Ts0p | no |
| 04:34.14 | xoz_ | Digital_Pioneer: try the old apm |
| 04:34.26 | shogunx | Ts0p you will need to. |
| 04:34.44 | yggdrasil | ok |
| 04:34.46 | yggdrasil | here we go |
| 04:34.46 | Digital_Pioneer | xoz_: Uhhh...? |
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| 04:34.51 | yggdrasil | declare -x TERM="xterm" |
| 04:34.51 | yggdrasil | declare -x USER="yggdrasil" |
| 04:34.51 | yggdrasil | yggdrasil@Olya:~$ export 192.168.0.56:1 |
| 04:34.51 | yggdrasil | -bash: export: `192.168.0.56:1': not a valid identifier |
| 04:34.51 | yggdrasil | yggdrasil@Olya:~$ export 192.168.0.56:screen0 |
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| 04:34.52 | jetscreamer | !fkiid |
| 04:34.56 | jetscreamer | damn too slow |
| 04:35.00 | Ts0p | shogunx i don't know how will u help me please |
| 04:35.03 | jetscreamer | that was flood btw |
| 04:35.04 | Digital_Pioneer | jetscreamer: How do I find out? |
| 04:35.27 | shogunx | Ts0p do you know how to open it with a text editor? if so, do so. |
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| 04:35.30 | yggdrasil | sorry guys |
| 04:35.35 | jetscreamer | Digital_Pioneer: it tells you when you boot unless it's hidden by a bios splash screen.. hit esc usually takes it off |
| 04:35.40 | yggdrasil | export display=192.168.0.56:0 |
| 04:35.40 | xoz_ | yggdrasil: fix x11-common first |
| 04:35.41 | Carlitotr | how can i use extract to rar? |
| 04:35.41 | yggdrasil | its that |
| 04:35.43 | Ts0p | shogunx done |
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| 04:35.51 | kevix | yggdrasil: DISPLAY |
| 04:35.53 | jetscreamer | Carlitotr: rar -x |
| 04:35.54 | Carlitotr | what this command? |
| 04:35.55 | Digital_Pioneer | Is there a way to find out with Konsole, etc? |
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| 04:35.57 | Carlitotr | hmm ok |
| 04:36.01 | yggdrasil | it wowkrs just like that now i ssh in i type that |
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| 04:36.12 | yggdrasil | and then any cmd i type that needs x goes on the screen of that compuyter |
| 04:36.18 | [aJ] | How do I get aptitude to forget what packages I selected to install? |
| 04:36.21 | shogunx | Ts0p # User to setid to (should be your normal user) |
| 04:36.21 | shogunx | suiduser=test |
| 04:36.23 | Digital_Pioneer | Perhaps it is in dmesg somewhere? |
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| 04:36.37 | jetscreamer | dpkg --forget-selections or something maybe |
| 04:36.38 | shogunx | change that to be the account you normally use. |
| 04:36.41 | Ts0p | shogunx what is that |
| 04:36.47 | vin` | [aJ]: hit ":" on the package or the tree. |
| 04:37.08 | [aJ] | vin`: thanks |
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| 04:37.12 | shogunx | Ts0p that is a line from /etc/kismet/kismet.conf |
| 04:37.17 | bushito | hey i tried to install debian testing and it downloaded sid package =O?, then stable repositories got the testoing ones?? =O |
| 04:37.32 | yggdrasil | so thats it you ssh in type export display=192.168.0.56:0 then any cmd i do goes to the screen of the computer i ssh in. so i type startx and it starts x i type synaptic and it starts it up .... hahah |
| 04:37.35 | dondelelcaro | bushito: you're not making any sense |
| 04:37.35 | yggdrasil | tahnsk for the help |
| 04:37.47 | vin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.52 | shogunx | Ts0p you must also change the following line: |
| 04:37.54 | shogunx | source=hostap,wlan0,wifi |
| 04:38.00 | dondelelcaro | yggdrasil: that assumes that the machine that you're exporting X to accepts X connections from any machine. |
| 04:38.10 | jetscreamer | or you could just import an empty file with --set-selections maybe, but i never tried |
| 04:38.17 | yggdrasil | well its worked on 3 of the boxes ive tried it on |
| 04:38.24 | dondelelcaro | yggdrasil: if you're doing that, it's so insecure that you better not expect any type of security from that setup. |
| 04:38.26 | yggdrasil | once yoursshd in its done |
| 04:38.30 | Digital_Pioneer | Can I find BIOS year in dmesg? |
| 04:38.32 | jetscreamer | there's clear-available but i don't htink that's what you want |
| 04:38.43 | yggdrasil | if im doing what starting synaptic ? |
| 04:38.46 | dondelelcaro | yggdrasil: since anyone can connect to your X server and slurp any X events (aka, anything that you type in) at all. |
| 04:38.51 | bushito | mmm i added testing repos to download the testing files like xorg 6.8 KDE 3.4 etc, but instead it downloaded the xorg 6.9 and KDE 3.5 ;P so i am asking if anyone knows about that packages mess? |
| 04:38.52 | yggdrasil | not anyone |
| 04:38.53 | xoz_ | yggdrasil: because it allows x forwarding |
| 04:38.56 | jetscreamer | Digital_Pioneer: is it an old computer? aka 2000 or older? |
| 04:39.03 | Digital_Pioneer | No. |
| 04:39.07 | gravity | bushito: Xorg 6.9 is in testing |
| 04:39.12 | gravity | SHOCK AND HORROT |
| 04:39.14 | jetscreamer | then shouldn't matter |
| 04:39.15 | Digital_Pioneer | It's fairly new. |
| 04:39.18 | yggdrasil | wait |
| 04:39.20 | Ts0p | shogunx i can't find any of those lines .....is theres a way i can search for them |
| 04:39.28 | yggdrasil | it start the program on the computer that im sshd to. |
| 04:39.28 | Digital_Pioneer | But not just-out-of-the-box new. |
| 04:39.30 | yggdrasil | it works on any box |
| 04:39.36 | vin` | gravity: how's 7.0 coming along? |
| 04:39.40 | bushito | and in stable packages then it got xorg 6.8??? =D |
| 04:39.45 | shogunx | Ts0p what editor are you using? |
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| 04:39.49 | jetscreamer | it's only for 2000 or lder bios's that acpi is disabled in the kernel by default |
| 04:39.53 | jetscreamer | older |
| 04:39.53 | Ts0p | shogunx pico |
| 04:39.54 | gravity | vin`: It's in experimental almost completely. It can be run from there. |
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| 04:40.02 | gravity | vin`: We're polishing it up a bit for unstable first though |
| 04:40.04 | dondelelcaro | yggdrasil: sure but it pulls X events from the machine which is running the X server. This is basic stuff. There's a reason why I told you to use ssh -X instead of manually setting display and using xhost + or similar. |
| 04:40.04 | Digital_Pioneer | IC. |
| 04:40.12 | vin` | gravity: would xgl run with our chip? IGP340? |
| 04:40.15 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, ACPI is disabled by default in GRUB. |
| 04:40.21 | xoz_ | yggdrasil: as long as you have ssh account and sshd allows forwarding, you can basically open any x client to the remote machine |
| 04:40.25 | Digital_Pioneer | Otherwise, I'd have to edit it everytime I booted. |
| 04:40.27 | shogunx | Ts0p control + W will let you search |
| 04:40.27 | Digital_Pioneer | :-( |
| 04:40.33 | yggdrasil | look im doing this because |
| 04:40.42 | gravity | vin`: I assume so but I don't know for sure because I haven't tried it |
| 04:40.49 | yggdrasil | i needed to start x on a box that the console framebuffer was messed up. |
| 04:40.59 | yggdrasil | so i coudlnt see localy to log in and type startx |
| 04:41.02 | vin` | gravity: heh, I'll wait for your green light. |
| 04:41.02 | yggdrasil | so i sshd in |
| 04:41.05 | yggdrasil | and did that then startx |
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| 04:41.10 | bushito | who is using debian stable?? =O |
| 04:41.13 | xoz_ | yggdrasil: i would rather use vnc tunneled thru ssh |
| 04:41.13 | jetscreamer | Digital_Pioneer: did you ever try updating the bios, flashing it? might be an update maybe that fixes your issue (no telling w/o research ) |
| 04:41.16 | dondelelcaro | bushito: lots of people are |
| 04:41.22 | neuterspay | So I save a file as a .pl - where do I put it if I'd like to execute it? |
| 04:41.36 | Digital_Pioneer | How do I update my BIOS, jetscreamer? |
| 04:41.44 | dondelelcaro | neuterspay: anywhere; just perl foo/bar/baz.pl; or chmod +x foo/bar/baz.pl; ./foo/bar/baz.pl |
| 04:41.48 | yggdrasil | xoz i coudlnt even startx |
| 04:41.53 | Ts0p | shogunx ok what is the first line |
| 04:41.55 | yggdrasil | i had to use this to get in to startx |
| 04:41.58 | yggdrasil | never mind |
| 04:42.05 | neuterspay | Thanks don |
| 04:42.15 | jetscreamer | Digital_Pioneer: by going to the computer maker's website and downloading the bios file and the bios flash utility, and having a dos(freedos ok) bootdisk, usually |
| 04:42.20 | shogunx | Ts0p search for suiduser |
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| 04:42.39 | Digital_Pioneer | So... Are you saying I can't do this in Debian? |
| 04:42.45 | jetscreamer | no |
| 04:42.50 | Digital_Pioneer | Hmm... |
| 04:42.53 | yggdrasil | thaks for the help |
| 04:42.55 | yggdrasil | haha |
| 04:42.56 | jetscreamer | oh you mean flash the bios? |
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| 04:43.01 | Digital_Pioneer | Does it have to be DOS? |
| 04:43.06 | jetscreamer | depends on the tools available... |
| 04:43.15 | jetscreamer | usually it DOES have to be some kind of dos |
| 04:43.21 | jetscreamer | freedos is a dos |
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| 04:43.27 | Digital_Pioneer | Because I have Knoppix if all it takes is a boot from disk... |
| 04:43.33 | Digital_Pioneer | -[ |
| 04:43.39 | jetscreamer | usually the flash utility is a .exe |
| 04:43.40 | xoz_ | Digital_Pioneer: you can try dosemu but i doubt it will allow this kind of access to the bios |
| 04:43.53 | Ts0p | shogunx ok...says user here |
| 04:44.04 | jetscreamer | freedos is on sourceforge, and i've run across a freedos boot floppy |
| 04:44.13 | vin` | gravity: I'm considering giving it a shot, want me to test? |
| 04:44.22 | shogunx | Ts0p make is say the username you regularly use |
| 04:44.22 | gravity | vin`: If you want |
| 04:44.42 | jetscreamer | but hey |
| 04:44.42 | Ts0p | shogunx can i use root |
| 04:45.09 | jetscreamer | Digital_Pioneer: check the maker's site to 'see' if there is an updated bios that might fix it.. then decide if it's worth the trouble |
| 04:45.21 | shogunx | Ts0p you generally don't want to run your machines as root all the time, but for this situation i think you can limit access to kismet by entering root there. |
| 04:45.22 | gravity | vin`: It won't get you a ton, but if you feel like giving it a shot and reporting whatever bugs you find in the packaging it'd be appreciated |
| 04:45.28 | Digital_Pioneer | jetscreamer: I'm looking. |
| 04:45.39 | Digital_Pioneer | But IDK if I have an old version or not. |
| 04:45.43 | vin` | gravity: ok. |
| 04:45.46 | Digital_Pioneer | Besides, I can't use floppies. |
| 04:45.51 | Digital_Pioneer | ;-) |
| 04:46.00 | Ts0p | shogunx whats is the next line |
| 04:46.00 | jetscreamer | well then there's always that win98 cd |
| 04:46.05 | jetscreamer | it works |
| 04:46.22 | shogunx | Ts0p see the 7 commented lines directly below that? |
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| 04:46.57 | Ts0p | shogunx none,none,addme |
| 04:47.09 | shogunx | Ts0p read those 7 lines, then edit the source=none,none,addme appropriately |
| 04:47.24 | neuterspay | dutch@neuterspay:~/perl$ perl home/dutch/perl/imagine.pl |
| 04:47.35 | neuterspay | Can't open perl script "home/dutch/perl/imagine.pl" |
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| 04:47.46 | neuterspay | sadsdf |
| 04:47.48 | neuterspay | nm |
| 04:47.49 | neuterspay | fuck me |
| 04:47.51 | neuterspay | please |
| 04:47.51 | neuterspay | kill me |
| 04:47.52 | Ts0p | shogunx i can't uderstand it |
| 04:47.53 | neuterspay | thanks |
| 04:48.05 | shogunx | Ts0p what kind of network card do you have? |
| 04:48.25 | Ts0p | shogunx i have netgear |
| 04:48.39 | jetscreamer | how about /home instead of home, neuterspay |
| 04:49.30 | shogunx | Ts0p paste the output of lsmod in flood, please. |
| 04:49.42 | jetscreamer | !flood |
| 04:49.42 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 04:50.09 | Ts0p | shogunx ok let me loging the laptop maching first |
| 04:50.16 | Ts0p | i'll be using irssi |
| 04:50.21 | oD|Someone | How do I list all users on my debian box? |
| 04:50.37 | shogunx | oD|Someone who |
| 04:50.56 | oD|Someone | I mean not just logged on |
| 04:51.06 | oD|Someone | as in all users created |
| 04:51.21 | shogunx | oD|Someone cat /etc/passwd |
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| 04:51.40 | oD|Someone | thanks |
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| 04:51.54 | shogunx | n/p |
| 04:51.59 | jetscreamer | oh lookie it's root |
| 04:52.01 | jetscreamer | how cute |
| 04:52.19 | jetscreamer | !tell root____2 -about root |
| 04:52.31 | redondos | If you remove every trace of a MTA from your system, how would dpkg deliver those messages that aren't supposed to be displayed on the console and are mailed to you? |
| 04:52.46 | oD|Someone | shogunx - what about removing a user? |
| 04:52.56 | redondos | For instance, after installing dhcp3-server |
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| 04:52.57 | shogunx | oD|Someone deluser |
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| 04:53.09 | dvm1981 | I have a litte problem, yesterday, i have made aan ssh connection to an pc and install some apps. The connection have fail i see now, so there are config things not setup. Is that dangerous ? Can i redo some install of these apps. I forget wish |
| 04:53.10 | oD|Someone | thanks again |
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| 04:53.29 | jetscreamer | apt-get -f install maybe dvm1981 |
| 04:53.30 | Ts0p | shogunx can u see what i'm typing from root___2 |
| 04:53.46 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: log out and use irssi as a user not root |
| 04:53.52 | jetscreamer | and no we can't see |
| 04:53.53 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer: It's all to do, not specify again the apps ? |
| 04:54.03 | jetscreamer | dvm1981: 'probably' not |
| 04:54.15 | hyperstream | omg |
| 04:54.20 | hyperstream | this is a sad day :( |
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| 04:54.28 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer: hhmm, looks simply :-) thanks ;-) |
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| 04:54.30 | shogunx | Ts0p make sure you put the lsmod output in #flood |
| 04:54.35 | jetscreamer | dvm1981: you might need dpkg --configure -a instead |
| 04:54.41 | jetscreamer | iirc |
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| 04:54.50 | itguy | hi |
| 04:54.53 | itguy | :) |
| 04:54.55 | jetscreamer | i think it's that |
| 04:54.58 | deadcat | hmm. gtk2-engines-clearlooks is taking a while to release 2.7 or 2.8.... )= |
| 04:54.59 | jetscreamer | anybody? |
| 04:55.03 | hyperstream | back to windoze fer me |
| 04:55.07 | jetscreamer | bye |
| 04:55.08 | hyperstream | no 5.1 surrond :x |
| 04:55.10 | deadcat | jetscreamer: bye |
| 04:55.16 | jetscreamer | no bye to him |
| 04:55.22 | deadcat | damn |
| 04:55.30 | jetscreamer | !love deadcat |
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| 04:55.40 | itguy | ok now i'm on the laptop how would i got to the terminal and run the lsmod |
| 04:55.53 | jetscreamer | ctrl alt f1-6, alt f7 to get back |
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| 04:56.14 | jetscreamer | or just run an xterm |
| 04:56.17 | shogunx | itguy what desktop are you using |
| 04:56.18 | deadcat | jetscreamer: )= "why did you close your eyes when we make love?" |
| 04:56.30 | jetscreamer | because you're fugly? |
| 04:56.33 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 04:56.55 | deadcat | family was crazy.. he was talking to a rhino (= |
| 04:57.06 | deadcat | family guy |
| 04:57.13 | jetscreamer | ahhh tv |
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| 04:57.44 | itguy | how would i copy the lsmod result |
| 04:58.15 | shogunx | itguy you should be able to use an xterm to run the lsmod from within X-window-system |
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| 04:59.01 | shogunx | itguy then hilight the text to copy with the mouse, and paste with the 3rd mouse buttin, or both buttons together if its only 2 buttons. |
| 04:59.22 | Ts0p | shogunx i'm running gnome where can i find the xterm |
| 04:59.28 | deadcat | 7.0 (= |
| 04:59.41 | jetscreamer | gnome-terminal |
| 04:59.46 | shogunx | there should be a little icon that looks like a monitor or so. |
| 04:59.50 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 04:59.56 | Ts0p | k |
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| 05:00.42 | Ts0p | shogunx no what |
| 05:01.12 | shogunx | paste the lsmod output into the #flood channel |
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| 05:04.09 | Ts0p | shogunx it's on the flood channel |
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| 05:04.57 | shogunx | Ts0p ok... i just needed to see what type of wireless card you have... not the brand name, but the chipset. |
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| 05:05.17 | shogunx | back to source=none,none,addme |
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| 05:05.48 | shogunx | Ts0p change the first none to be prismsource |
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| 05:06.29 | noober | ive never realy used apt-get is there a way to list all available pkgz? |
| 05:06.44 | Ts0p | shogunx ok, next |
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| 05:06.49 | noober | like i want my kernels source files andheaders |
| 05:06.59 | d0uglas | noober: think of something cool, then type apt-cache search [cool thing] |
| 05:07.19 | bintut | can you recommend to me a good doc for RPM based distro admin to the Debian system admin? |
| 05:07.20 | shogunx | Ts0p ok, next you need the interface name of your wireless card. it should be wlan0, but run /sbin/ifconfig to make sure. |
| 05:07.44 | choser | noober have you used aptitude? |
| 05:07.52 | MrNaz | whats a good hdd diagnostic tool? i think i have a bad hdd |
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| 05:08.02 | bintut | basically, what should an RPM based distro admin need to know about administration in the debian way? |
| 05:08.13 | shogunx | Ts0p that goes in the second none in source=none,none,addme |
| 05:08.19 | d0uglas | putting HDs in the freezer can be helpful sometimes |
| 05:08.35 | choser | I use the ultimate boot disc |
| 05:08.49 | choser | Free download, has all the official diagnostic tools that come from the manufacturers. |
| 05:09.04 | choser | So it has the whatever floppy program on it for whatever HD youhave. |
| 05:09.11 | Ts0p | shogunx it's eth1, next what goes for the addme |
| 05:09.14 | choser | Its a great CD, comes with INSERT linux too... nice boot menue. |
| 05:09.40 | shogunx | Ts0p anything you want to put there, and save the file afterwards, as kismet should be ready. |
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| 05:10.13 | Ts0p | shogunx can i leave it as add me |
| 05:10.23 | shogunx | Ts0p probably |
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| 05:10.44 | goran | i am setting up a new installation in a new partition on the same hd. can i copy an installed package with all its dependencies fr the current partition over to the new one? |
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| 05:10.55 | shogunx | Ts0p control + O will save that file. |
| 05:11.03 | dwu | which file system should i use? |
| 05:11.12 | shogunx | shogunx and you should be able to run kismet |
| 05:12.47 | Ts0p | shogunx i got FATA:Unknow captuer source type 'prismsource, in source 'prismsource,eth1,addme' |
| 05:13.16 | ankur | hello friends... if i want to add a new cd to apt sources which command i need to use |
| 05:13.21 | shogunx | Ts0p sorry, change that to orinoco |
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| 05:13.45 | itguy | thats what i thought :) |
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| 05:15.44 | shogunx | Ts0p itguy does it work now? |
| 05:15.56 | itguy | no |
| 05:15.57 | oD|Someone | Me again - what's the command to change a users password? ie. me being root and I want to change lollermonster's password |
| 05:16.17 | itguy | i get could not find monitor |
| 05:16.56 | shogunx | oD|Someone passwd $username |
| 05:17.10 | oD|Someone | thanks |
| 05:17.45 | shogunx | itguy paste the error in #flood |
| 05:18.12 | devicenull | where can I get the right version of cc1plus for gcc 3-4 |
| 05:18.37 | golly | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Heamer/ceilingcat.jpg |
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| 05:19.33 | gravity | golly: Nice |
| 05:19.44 | golly | gravity: ain't it true tho |
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| 05:19.49 | gravity | hahaha |
| 05:20.21 | ankur | i want to add cd 14 to my apt sources what should i need to do please |
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| 05:20.45 | streuner | ankur: man apt-cdrom |
| 05:20.56 | ankur | thank you |
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| 05:21.00 | deadcat | whats mipmap? |
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| 05:22.35 | Stevie | mipmap was a setting on the quake console used to speed rendering of far-away textures |
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| 05:23.21 | dos000 | howdy |
| 05:23.32 | mepischas | hiya |
| 05:23.34 | tnks | Hi. Is there a common use for /dev/shm? Or is it obsolete? |
| 05:23.35 | Ts0p | shogunx u got it |
| 05:23.39 | shogunx | itguy you running that as root? you should probably change suiduser to a normal user. |
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| 05:24.11 | Ts0p | i did |
| 05:24.25 | shogunx | Ts0p and still that? |
| 05:24.28 | dos000 | is it possible to change the directory include lookup when compiling .. is there a variable to set for the the include path ? |
| 05:24.59 | dondelelcaro | dos000: it's -I for gcc... |
| 05:25.22 | itguy | yes |
| 05:25.25 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, tehre is no one for the entire system headers ? |
| 05:25.46 | shogunx | itguy you did which, changes suiduser or ran as root? |
| 05:25.49 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, the pkg in question uses autogen |
| 05:25.54 | kevix | golly: I could image if I had a Aibo! would it have built in camera? |
| 05:26.18 | itguy | i did change the usiduser to itguy and the run it as itguy user |
| 05:26.25 | evil | hi. sorry tot pop in so harsh, but i have a strange problem while bind-mounting /tmp: |
| 05:26.36 | jetscreamer | tmpfs gets mounted on shm , least here it does. and udev mounts it's weirdo .dev thingy somewhere |
| 05:26.39 | dos000 | just like the librarypath i was thinkin there was something similar |
| 05:26.49 | golly | kevix: cats are worse....cats are KNOWERS.....cats make judgement calls. |
| 05:26.51 | dondelelcaro | dos000: the library path is just for the runtime linker. |
| 05:26.55 | evil | when i do mount /tmp witj bind,noexec set in fstab, i can still execute /tmp/ls |
| 05:26.56 | shogunx | itguy now run it as root, with suiduser still set to itguy |
| 05:27.01 | dondelelcaro | dos000: you can always set CFLAGS of course. |
| 05:27.24 | evil | when i do mount -o remount /tmp after this, then /tmp/ls is no executeable anymore. |
| 05:27.58 | Nowak | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.01 | Nowak | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.05 | Nowak | from the mount manual ... |
| 05:28.17 | Nowak | rtfm again :D |
| 05:28.38 | evil | i don't change options with -o |
| 05:28.55 | evil | i do "mount /tmp", the options are set in /etc/fstab |
| 05:29.00 | Ts0p | ok i am confused here,,,, i'm trying to run it from gnome |
| 05:29.02 | dondelelcaro | first off, noexec is rather pointless. |
| 05:29.18 | evil | not always. but yes,. i know |
| 05:29.31 | shogunx | Ts0p you can do that, with an xterm, or run it from a console |
| 05:29.36 | dondelelcaro | secondly, it's likely to break all sorts of things |
| 05:29.46 | evil | not always :) |
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| 05:30.09 | dondelelcaro | evil: lots of things expect to be able to write out intermediate scripts to /tmp and be able to execute them there. |
| 05:30.11 | shogunx | Ts0p if from an itguy user xterm, su to get a root shell. |
| 05:30.12 | Ts0p | but when i do ctrl alt F! and run it from the prompt it's a diff error ...i'm trying to paste the err from the prompt but i don't know how?!! |
| 05:30.19 | dondelelcaro | evil: you don't gain any security at all from it anyway. |
| 05:30.25 | evil | um, yes, i am full aware of the side effects and the impact....but the reals issue that confuses me is the mount option now |
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| 05:30.59 | shogunx | Ts0p just su in the xterm, and run it there. it should be the same error as from gnome. |
| 05:31.00 | evil | dondelelcaro: thanks for your reminder. but for now: i don' care :) |
| 05:31.33 | dondelelcaro | evil: secondly, give us the full output of /proc/mounts and the exactly sequence of commands that you're using to generate this problem by using the paster bot. |
| 05:31.35 | shogunx | Ts0p as from the console, that is. |
| 05:31.43 | evil | ok |
| 05:31.45 | Miesco | How come I dont have any kind of sequenizer device in /dev? |
| 05:31.47 | dondelelcaro | s/secondly/third/ |
| 05:32.11 | evil | fstab says: /var/tmp /tmp none nodev,nosuid,noexec,bind 0 0 |
| 05:32.12 | Ts0p | shogunx it's on the flood now |
| 05:32.15 | Miesco | How can I listen to midi files? |
| 05:32.35 | deadcat | gravity: seems like xserver-xorg-video-* ? is that mean one can just install the driver for the specific card? |
| 05:32.41 | shogunx | Ts0p ahh. consult the readme file. |
| 05:32.42 | zoruak | can i run 'apt-get install' in one mounted fs to install a package in another mounted fs? |
| 05:32.48 | gravity | deadcat: What do you think? |
| 05:32.54 | deadcat | i guess so |
| 05:33.04 | gravity | You'd be right |
| 05:33.05 | deadcat | gravity: but xserver-xorg still gets all. |
| 05:33.06 | dondelelcaro | zoruak: using the appropriate DPkg::Options to set the root appropriately. |
| 05:33.10 | shogunx | Ts0p you are going to have to patch and recompile some code. |
| 05:33.11 | gravity | deadcat: That's the idea |
| 05:33.11 | evil | proc doesn not mention /tmp at all yet |
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| 05:33.21 | deadcat | ah. core |
| 05:33.24 | deadcat | i LOVE -core (= |
| 05:33.26 | zoruak | dondelelcaro, detail pls. |
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| 05:33.54 | evil | so i do: "mount /tmp" |
| 05:34.09 | dondelelcaro | zoruak: man apt.conf; man dpkg; read about the --root option, read about the Dir::State option in apt.conf, et al. |
| 05:34.30 | dondelelcaro | evil: and what are the underlying permisions of /var? |
| 05:34.30 | Ts0p | shogunx check flood again plz |
| 05:34.31 | zoruak | ok, thks. |
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| 05:34.37 | deadcat | gravity: do i need any -input drivers? |
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| 05:34.47 | gravity | deadcat: Dude, just install the whole thing |
| 05:34.55 | gravity | deadcat: If you have to ask, you want all of it |
| 05:35.00 | deadcat | k |
| 05:35.02 | kevix | gravity: so is there a pkg or metapkg that depends on ALL of the -video-*? and would that mean that it would install with svga support and then you would have to instlal your video drivers after that? |
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| 05:35.08 | gravity | kevix: Yes, have a look |
| 05:35.09 | evil | dondelelcaro: drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 4.0K Feb 24 06:25 /var/tmp/ |
| 05:35.11 | shogunx | Ts0p personally, i use hostap drivers instead of orinoco drivers, and they work well with kismet. |
| 05:35.21 | gravity | xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 05:35.24 | vin` | gravity: no synaptics module for the touchpad, any cluebat on what else I could try? xserver-xorg-input-synaptics ain't there either. |
| 05:35.25 | dondelelcaro | evil: and /var is mounted how? |
| 05:35.29 | gravity | Also see the xorg metapackage |
| 05:35.34 | dondelelcaro | (or /var/tmp if that's a separate filesystem) |
| 05:35.43 | gravity | vin`: No, that's not there yet. I don't maintain that, so it's up to the maintainer to provide it |
| 05:35.52 | evil | dondelelcaro: not, it's below / |
| 05:36.00 | gravity | vin`: You can install the current synaptics driver and I'd bet it'll work though |
| 05:36.01 | evil | not mounted seperately |
| 05:36.03 | gravity | Maybe |
| 05:36.05 | Ts0p | shogunx how would i do that |
| 05:36.17 | evil | /dev/sda5 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime) |
| 05:36.50 | shogunx | Ts0p see #flood for what the README says about your orinoco drivers |
| 05:36.53 | evil | dondelelcaro: (thanks for your patience) |
| 05:37.11 | dondelelcaro | evil: in any case, the documentation makes it clear that the -o options are ignored for the bind mount, since it takes the same options as the underlying mountpoint. |
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| 05:37.35 | dondelelcaro | evil: as to why you're seeing different options show up when you remount it, it's possible that it's a kernel bug, or something else is going on there. |
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| 05:38.22 | zoruak | what is the use of the packaged named 'login'? i notice it does not have to be installed before one can login to a system. |
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| 05:38.35 | shogunx | Ts0p to do the hostap you could either build the hostap modules from source, or install the packages from the apt-repository. |
| 05:38.49 | evil | dondelelcaro: i'm not sure if i can follow you: what do you mean with "the -o options are ignored...". I'm not passing -o to the mount command in the first place |
| 05:38.56 | dondelelcaro | zoruak: it provides login, amoung other things |
| 05:39.10 | dondelelcaro | evil: if you run mount without any options, it takes the options from fstab and passes them as -o |
| 05:39.14 | deadcat | my /tmp shows 100% used in df, but du -sh /tmp shows only 578k |
| 05:39.27 | evil | ok |
| 05:39.41 | kevix | gravity: I found xserver-xorg-video |
| 05:39.44 | ootput | deadcat: df -i |
| 05:39.53 | ootput | deadcat: probably the inodes |
| 05:39.56 | evil | the thing is: i'm doing this on 2nd box and it works perfectly |
| 05:39.58 | deadcat | ootput: nice screenshot by the way... the new one |
| 05:40.02 | zoruak | dondelelcaro, as i said, it is not required to be installed before one can login to a system. is it used to login for other applications? |
| 05:40.16 | evil | debian/stable as well, but another kernel... |
| 05:40.18 | ootput | deadcat: gotta keeps the fans loyal :D |
| 05:40.19 | Ts0p | shogunx are we talking apt-get install hostap |
| 05:40.19 | gravity | kevix: Er... xserver-xorg-video-all? |
| 05:40.28 | evil | pretty much same setup... |
| 05:40.29 | deadcat | ootput: only 1% inode |
| 05:40.30 | deadcat | ootput: heheh |
| 05:40.51 | dondelelcaro | zoruak: uh... considering the fact that its Essential: yes; it's quite definetly required. |
| 05:41.10 | shogunx | Ts0p apt-get install hostap-utils hostap-modules-$YOURDEBIANKERNELVERSION |
| 05:41.27 | ootput | deadcat: is your /tmp on a separate partition? |
| 05:41.42 | shogunx | Ts0p you can determine what kernel you are running with uname -a |
| 05:41.47 | Ts0p | apt-get install hostap-utils hostap-modules-$YOURDEBIANKERNELVERSION |
| 05:41.48 | jetscreamer | hostap-modules-`uname -r` perhaps |
| 05:41.56 | jetscreamer | should just work |
| 05:42.05 | shogunx | jetscreamer yep. |
| 05:42.21 | deadcat | ootput: ya. i just bootclean and its 99% used |
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| 05:42.45 | deadcat | ootput: maybe i need a reboot or something |
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| 05:44.09 | ootput | deadcat: is bootclean a script? |
| 05:44.19 | deadcat | ootput: ya /etc/init.d/bootclean |
| 05:44.24 | ootput | oh, that's right |
| 05:44.34 | Ts0p | shogunx couldn't find package |
| 05:44.46 | ootput | how much space did you give /tmp? |
| 05:44.53 | deadcat | ootput: 100MB |
| 05:45.00 | shogunx | Ts0p try apt-cache search hostap |
| 05:45.29 | kevix | gravity: where is xserver-xorg-core ? |
| 05:45.36 | deadcat | kevix: experimental |
| 05:45.38 | ootput | deadcat: try df --sync |
| 05:45.51 | deadcat | /dev/hda5 89M 83M 1.2M 99% /tmp |
| 05:45.51 | jetscreamer | ` not ' |
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| 05:46.42 | itguy_ | apt-cache search hostap |
| 05:46.50 | shogunx | yep |
| 05:46.54 | ootput | deadcat: btw, i'm trying out a few gui apps |
| 05:46.57 | itguy_ | nothing happen |
| 05:47.01 | deadcat | ootput: what apps? |
| 05:47.04 | ootput | deadcat: pretty much interfaces to whatever I'm running atm |
| 05:47.13 | ootput | deadcat: pygmy for mpd in place of ncmpc |
| 05:47.14 | kevix | deadcat: I have this: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main contrib non-free |
| 05:47.25 | deadcat | ootput: cool. i've been testing thunar file manager.. very alpha right now |
| 05:47.33 | shogunx | what release are you running? |
| 05:47.40 | ootput | deadcat: yeah, thunar in place of mc |
| 05:47.41 | itguy_ | what u mean |
| 05:47.46 | ootput | deadcat: much better than nautilus |
| 05:47.59 | deadcat | i was using rox. but i just --purged it (= |
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| 05:48.47 | Nowak | deadcat: then there is still a process using files on /tmp or you need to fsck |
| 05:48.48 | shogunx | what branch, stable, testing, unstable are you running? |
| 05:49.08 | dvm1981 | My fonts in 'fluxbox' are a little bit to big now, after reduce a bit the screen resolution. Where must look ? Advance really thanks |
| 05:49.09 | deadcat | Nowak: it wont let me umount. i might have to reboot for sure. |
| 05:49.26 | deadcat | sudo fuser -v /tmp shows nothing |
| 05:49.28 | itguy_ | stable i think |
| 05:50.22 | ootput | deadcat: of all the gui fm's, i still prefer emelfm2 |
| 05:50.29 | shogunx | add this to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:50.32 | shogunx | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib |
| 05:50.40 | deadcat | ootput: that seems before my time (= |
| 05:50.44 | deadcat | never heard of it |
| 05:50.50 | itguy_ | silverfox:/home/itguy# iwconfig eth1 mode monitor |
| 05:50.50 | itguy_ | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 05:50.50 | itguy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.50 | itguy_ | silverfox:/home/itguy# |
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| 05:51.11 | liable | unstable? if you need to tell someone about sources list, they shouldnt really use unstable.. |
| 05:51.28 | Nowak | deadcat: try lsof /tmp |
| 05:51.33 | shogunx | liable he needs hostap modules. |
| 05:51.40 | shogunx | which are in unstable |
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| 05:52.10 | shogunx | i was going to have him add them for his kernel, then revert sources.list to stable after they were there. |
| 05:52.39 | deadcat | Nowak: thanks. it was fucking firefox... FUCK... stupid firefox.. i was refreshing on a video clip page. (= |
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| 05:52.49 | shogunx | liable seems easier than having him patch a kernel to get kismet running. |
| 05:52.55 | ootput | deadcat: oh shit, apt-get.org shows one source with emelfm2 |
| 05:52.59 | kevix | deadcat: what do you get to 'apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core ? |
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| 05:53.01 | ootput | should've checked sooner |
| 05:53.03 | deadcat | /dev/hda5 89M 30K 84M 1% /tmp |
| 05:53.15 | shogunx | liable do you propose a different solution? |
| 05:53.18 | Ts0p | shogunx i am lost |
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| 05:53.27 | deadcat | kevix: Candidate: 1:1.0.1-1 |
| 05:54.04 | shogunx | Ts0p did you add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 05:54.24 | itguy_ | which line i was lost |
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| 05:54.46 | hanasaki_ | any program that will tell me what my FSBus is runnign at? |
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| 05:54.55 | kevix | deadcat: what experimental source do you and when did you 'apt-get update'? |
| 05:54.58 | zoruak | what do i need to do to set up a .deb repository in my hd? |
| 05:55.06 | rabies | hanasaki_: its in the bios |
| 05:55.08 | rabies | hanasaki_: or should be |
| 05:55.10 | rabies | hanasaki_: or your mobo specs |
| 05:55.16 | streuner | !own repo |
| 05:55.16 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./"; |
| 05:55.17 | deadcat | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib |
| 05:55.21 | shogunx | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib |
| 05:55.32 | hanasaki_ | hmm can i get to that from /proc somehow? i did boot and check the bios.. didnt see anyting that said fsb ... its a socket A box |
| 05:55.39 | rseni | is there a utility available for acer travelmate 2410 series to use the Fn keys for the LCD/Display switch? |
| 05:55.42 | zoruak | streuner, thks. |
| 05:55.55 | rseni | i coudn't find one thru google |
| 05:55.58 | Ts0p | shogunx which line |
| 05:56.06 | shogunx | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib |
| 05:56.18 | Ts0p | shogunx add it where |
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| 05:56.46 | shogunx | Ts0p at the end of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:56.49 | kevix | deadcat: I have that line too?! maybe I just need to update? |
| 05:57.13 | rseni | who is the bot here? |
| 05:57.29 | deadcat | kevix: do you? i dont kow |
| 05:57.30 | deadcat | know |
| 05:57.35 | carl | can grub read boot/ from a software raid 0 volume? |
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| 05:58.11 | deadcat | time to watch dallas swat (= |
| 05:58.12 | rseni | apt: !search acer |
| 05:58.22 | kevix | deadcat: I updated a few days ago. you must have done it sooner for you to have it and not me? |
| 05:58.36 | dvm1981 | Really crazy, my old P1 is running again, with Debian! great great great :-) im happy :-) |
| 05:58.40 | deadcat | kevix: just now. |
| 05:59.00 | rseni | is there a utility available for acer travelmate 2410 series to use the Fn keys for the LCD/Display switch? |
| 05:59.11 | kevix | deadcat: exactly! |
| 05:59.23 | rseni | wondering if my msgs are going thru to the channel or not |
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| 06:02.06 | liable | carl: does for me. |
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| 06:03.16 | itguy_ | now what |
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| 06:04.24 | carl | liable, I have 2 disk, 1 part each. root (hd0) fine, setup (hd0,0) can't find /boot/grub/state1 |
| 06:05.34 | itguy_ | oh he left |
| 06:05.37 | itguy_ | man |
| 06:05.37 | Stevie | Which manual page do you want? |
| 06:05.39 | itguy_ | :( |
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| 06:07.13 | vin` | gravity: xfree86-driver-synaptics wouldn't work with 7.0, now can't find could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 06:07.44 | gravity | vin`: You need xfonts-base |
| 06:07.56 | liable | carl: hrm, you have made the array? wouldnt it be md0? |
| 06:08.15 | gravity | Hey, what do you know, it is |
| 06:08.26 | vin` | gravity: install already. |
| 06:08.31 | vin` | *ed |
| 06:08.39 | carl | liable, when I hit tab, grub just gives me (hd0,0) |
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| 06:08.42 | gravity | vin`: Do you have x11-common 1:7.0.x? |
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| 06:09.37 | gravity | hrm... I should put a versioned dep on that |
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| 06:09.42 | liable | carl: are you doing this from a rescue disk or something or is raid running? |
| 06:10.05 | vin` | gravity: I had 6.9 of xfonts-base, getting 7.0 now. |
| 06:10.14 | jetscreamer | it's software raid.. |
| 06:10.22 | vin` | gravity: x11-common is the right one. |
| 06:10.51 | gravity | vin`: Yeah, you need the new version of it |
| 06:11.01 | carl | liable, ubuntu setup, created/mounted the raid, the grub step fialed, I switched to VT2 and am runing grub from that shell |
| 06:11.04 | gravity | All the stuff needs the new version. You can't half-ass it |
| 06:11.10 | gravity | I should just make all of it versioned |
| 06:11.42 | streuner | carl: #ubuntu |
| 06:12.15 | carl | stream, ubuntu isn't installed yet ;) |
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| 06:12.29 | carl | er... streuner ... |
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| 06:13.02 | carl | hmm, there is #grub... |
| 06:13.09 | dvm1981 | Is 'eterm' lighter than 'xterm'? :-/ |
| 06:14.10 | dvm1981 | Nice, 'eterm' changes his background randomly every time we start it :-/ |
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| 06:14.36 | ootput | deadcat: pygmy : http://metawire.org/~ootput/gallery/screenshots/fullsize/060224_ion3-twinview-cluttered.png :D |
| 06:14.40 | vin` | gravity: xfonts-base is at 1.0.0-1, same error. |
| 06:14.47 | gravity | hrm |
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| 06:15.08 | gravity | That's really weird |
| 06:15.11 | twb | In the grep-status field 'Status', what do the three values actually mean? |
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| 06:15.44 | gravity | vin`: What version of xutils do you have installed? |
| 06:15.47 | twb | Or, which manpage has this information? |
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| 06:16.54 | jm_ | twb: desired/status and probably state (not sure about this one) |
| 06:16.56 | kevix | gravity: just saw multiple uploads by michel Danzer |
| 06:17.04 | gravity | Actually by me |
| 06:17.13 | gravity | But don't worry about it |
| 06:17.25 | gravity | You really don't care about those packages as a user |
| 06:17.33 | twb | jm_: I think that is the case. |
| 06:17.44 | twb | jm_: but man dpkg lists "hold" as a flag instead of desired. |
| 06:18.23 | spikebike | I inherited a woody unstable/testing box, trying to upgrade to sarge/stable, any hints as to why after modifying sources.list I can't get any update/upgrades to do anything? |
| 06:18.36 | jm_ | twb: ahh it says -- states, selections states and flags |
| 06:18.54 | twb | jm_: where are you reading? |
| 06:18.56 | spikebike | I just get 0 packages upgraded |
| 06:19.07 | jm_ | twb: I guess ok is neither hold nor reinst-required (INFORMATION ABOUT PACKAGES section) |
| 06:19.19 | valdyn | spikebike: what would that be a 'woody unstable/testing' box? it cant be all of that.. |
| 06:19.32 | twb | jm_: OK. |
| 06:19.45 | spikebike | er it's a 2002 install and says unstable/testing |
| 06:19.51 | kevix | gravity: if I install xserver-xorg-video-nv it install xserver-xorg-core. is that enought? |
| 06:20.02 | Azar | spike woody is not unstable nor testing |
| 06:20.07 | gravity | kevix: To be honest I don't know |
| 06:20.14 | gravity | kevix: You need more than that though... |
| 06:20.28 | valdyn | spikebike: looks more like it was only installed in 2002 and 'upgraded' to the latest testing or unstable ( which would be newer than sarge ) |
| 06:20.29 | spikebike | ah, sorry, what is the unstable/testing called of the previous release? |
| 06:20.33 | gravity | I don't want to hold anyone's hand who feels like doing a super-custom install with just their driver |
| 06:20.34 | kevix | gravity: that why its called experimental! |
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| 06:20.44 | gravity | kevix: Just use the xorg metapackage |
| 06:20.52 | gravity | Or the xserver-xorg package |
| 06:20.55 | spikebike | valdyn everything seems old gcc-3.2.3, 2.4 linux kernel, etc. |
| 06:21.11 | Azar | spikebike: as of last year: woody = old stable sarge = stable etch = testing sid = unstable |
| 06:21.14 | valdyn | spikebike: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 06:21.17 | gravity | kevix: But yeah, the -core contains the server itself, but you need stuff like fonts and things |
| 06:21.27 | gravity | Anyway, if you want to play with it go ahead. |
| 06:21.37 | spikebike | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 06:21.47 | gravity | I've never understood people's fascination with installing stuff like -core |
| 06:21.48 | valdyn | !info libc6 sarge |
| 06:21.51 | valdyn | !info libc6 sid |
| 06:21.56 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 06:21.56 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 5038 kB, Installed size: 16572 kB |
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| 06:22.39 | Azar | spikebike: it all depends on how your apt sources look like |
| 06:22.44 | streuner | gravity: Would the most important thing not, save RAM and HD-space is cheap...? |
| 06:23.00 | gravity | streuner: Sure, but it's usually a pain |
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| 06:23.02 | spikebike | azar I updated apt sources according to several how to upgrade to sarge pages |
| 06:23.32 | Azar | spikebike: what your sources look like? / stable / testing or / unstable? |
| 06:23.39 | gravity | streuner: It's like people who custom-compile kernels to save space. All that debugging info you're carrying around in your built tree that sits on your hard drive wastes a lot more space than just installing an image with all the modules |
| 06:23.39 | spikebike | I get new package lists, but upgrade, update, and dist-upgrade don't do anything |
| 06:23.44 | streuner | gravity: so a super-custom xorg install would bring any effort (RAM)? |
| 06:23.52 | gravity | streuner: RAM? No |
| 06:23.56 | spikebike | deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ stable main |
| 06:23.56 | spikebike | deb-src http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ stable main |
| 06:24.07 | gravity | streuner: It allows you to only install the driver(s) you need if you want |
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| 06:24.17 | gravity | But that won't save you RAM |
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| 06:24.40 | Azar | spikebike: install aptitude and modify your sources by adding at ends non-free contrib. (not a must but useful ) |
| 06:24.43 | streuner | kevix: you heard it... |
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| 06:24.52 | vin` | gravity: xutils is not at 1.0.1-1 same error |
| 06:24.58 | vin` | s/not/now |
| 06:25.01 | Azar | spikebike: then you do : aptitude update aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 06:25.28 | spikebike | azar I tried that and apt-get install aptitude says Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3) but 1:3.3.4-3 is to be installed |
| 06:25.33 | kevix | gravity: I thought it was to save pounding on the debian.org servers by minimizing downloads. |
| 06:25.36 | gravity | vin`: Ok. Well, I don't know what to tell you at this point. I'm kind of exhausted and can't think straight. You're on your own for now. Sorry. |
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| 06:26.08 | gravity | kevix: That helps too, but for the most part it's due to not having to re-download a zillion drivers for a fix in one of them |
| 06:26.09 | kevix | streuner: yea. it allow you to install YOUR video driver vs. all. |
| 06:26.13 | Azar | spikebike: I guess the nicest thing would be to install Sarge. reformat |
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| 06:26.18 | gravity | Anyway, I'm off to bed |
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| 06:26.26 | Azar | good night gravity |
| 06:26.51 | bkankur | hello.. which package i need to install for writing the cdrom |
| 06:26.51 | streuner | kevix: you didn't listen, didn't you? |
| 06:26.54 | spikebike | azar, ugh, I was hoping to avoid that, it's has a fair amount of custom stuff for running a robotics lab |
| 06:27.24 | Azar | spikebike: you got some very old stuff in there that might impede to upgrade and get the right gcc n stuff |
| 06:27.29 | kevix | streuner: you mean about ram improvement? |
| 06:27.35 | streuner | yes |
| 06:27.45 | spikebike | most of the versions I check seem only slightly older than sarge |
| 06:27.49 | streuner | (that's important) |
| 06:27.56 | spikebike | i.e. gcc-3.2.3 and instead of 4.3 |
| 06:27.57 | streuner | (other things don't) |
| 06:27.59 | spikebike | 3.4 |
| 06:28.52 | liable | bkankur: cdrecord |
| 06:28.56 | Azar | spikebike: last time I checked woody was using gcc2.95 in sarge now I am using gcc3.3 so what is the beef with gcc 4.3? |
| 06:28.57 | kevix | streuner: the improvements IIRC were for the xorg devs to make work easier and to reduce downloads from debian. nothing about making Xorg conserve ram, |
| 06:29.29 | spikebike | someone told me sarge uses er, 3.3.5-3 |
| 06:29.34 | spikebike | I have 3.2.3 |
| 06:29.50 | Azar | spikebike: if you try to install something and or upgrade and it tells you some package is missing: install it |
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| 06:30.20 | liable | err, if apt tells you its missing with sarge, then something is broken |
| 06:30.25 | bkankur | liable: thank you |
| 06:30.36 | liable | bkankur: yw |
| 06:30.49 | spikebike | well installing aptitude says: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3) but 1:3.3.4-3 is to be installed |
| 06:30.53 | spikebike | so what do I do |
| 06:30.55 | Azar | yes like liable said |
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| 06:31.07 | Azar | spikebike: we do not know what is broken in your system |
| 06:31.22 | Azar | spikebike: if you do not know, is better to reformat and install clean |
| 06:32.03 | Azar | spikebike: hey, installation is easy: I did it 57 times |
| 06:32.16 | spikebike | heh, I install linux distros all the time |
| 06:32.19 | liable | spikebike: try removing those apt source lines and use official debian mirrors. |
| 06:32.45 | liable | spikebike: i have seen a few people have problems with free/unofficial mirrors. |
| 06:32.59 | liable | such as free mirrors from isp's |
| 06:33.15 | ootput | Azar: apparently you didn't do it too well ;) |
| 06:33.24 | spikebike | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian sarge main non-free contrib |
| 06:33.24 | spikebike | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 06:33.28 | spikebike | does that lok good? |
| 06:33.41 | the_empty | I have a problem that I don't know how to deal with. I need to audit about 4,000 domains and figure out which ones have queitly moved on. I want the whois NS records for each, but I don't want to get blacklisted by the whois servers... What should I do? |
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| 06:34.09 | Azar | spikebike: installation, upgrading to a ready, precompiled 2.6.8 kernel, installing x, updating video driver, installing alsa, choice of kde, gnome or none of them just a desktop manager and you are ready for the goodies |
| 06:34.24 | Azar | ootput: that was for personal therapy |
| 06:34.32 | kevix | the_empty: ping ? |
| 06:34.38 | liable | spikebike: use apt setup, then you cant go wrong. |
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| 06:34.56 | Azar | I was having phobia when it came to installation times, so I tortured myself until I lost the fear |
| 06:35.14 | ootput | Azar: you've got it bad |
| 06:35.24 | ootput | had |
| 06:36.01 | Azar | ootput: no I used to be a total newbie at computing operations in general, I never installed an OS before Debian |
| 06:36.18 | ootput | Azar: the 5th re-installation of Debian prompted me to look into scripting and debootstrap |
| 06:36.26 | spikebike | apt-setup ran |
| 06:36.30 | spikebike | downloaded new packages lists |
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| 06:36.43 | ootput | Azar: i dunno man, the installer can be pretty simple :) |
| 06:36.50 | spikebike | upgrade still says 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 06:37.09 | liable | spikebike: what are you trying to install? |
| 06:37.30 | noober | how do i kill debians xserver? init 3? 5? |
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| 06:37.38 | Azar | ootput: until the 10th installation I was keeping forgetting to do something right, at the 11th I was ok but surfed with testing and sid without knowing what I am doing, fiddling with kernels, X and drivers |
| 06:37.42 | liable | spikebike: do you have a security line in there? |
| 06:37.57 | jm_ | noober: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 06:38.06 | liable | noober: stop the dm |
| 06:38.20 | Azar | ootput, I was using woody ... now I am ok even better with a woody installation ending with sarge |
| 06:38.36 | the_empty | kevix, that won't give me the data I need, I need to know if I should be serving authoritative DNS for those domains |
| 06:38.39 | noober | i thought there was a special init # |
| 06:38.45 | jm_ | you thought wrong |
| 06:38.46 | liable | 1 |
| 06:38.52 | Ts0p | now i lost internet connection on my laptop |
| 06:38.54 | noober | that sounds like a reboot |
| 06:39.24 | Azar | and why so, Ts0p? |
| 06:40.06 | spikebike | liable yeah |
| 06:40.32 | spikebike | liable yeah have a security line, I'm trying to upgrade to woody |
| 06:40.35 | spikebike | er sorry |
| 06:40.35 | Ts0p | i don't know why, a nice gentelmen here was helping me setup kismet , i did a reboot and now it's not working |
| 06:40.37 | liable | spikebike: well, sarge *is* stable, what do you expect a dist-upgrade to do? |
| 06:40.37 | spikebike | sarge |
| 06:40.46 | liable | from woody? |
| 06:40.53 | Azar | Ts0p: you could go like: "I was having a great connection on my laptop for xxdays/months until today when I "@#^%$-ed with @#$%^ing -procedure here-. Now what can I do?" |
| 06:40.54 | spikebike | from the previous testing/unstable |
| 06:41.01 | liable | err.. |
| 06:41.17 | spikebike | everything seems older than sarge |
| 06:41.45 | Azar | Ts0p: if kismet is gone, you can start telling the story about what you did before rebooting. |
| 06:41.49 | Ts0p | no it wasn't that guy fault ,,, he was trying to help me man |
| 06:42.15 | streuner | packages goes that way, unstable > testing > stable (NOT THE OTHER WAY) |
| 06:42.18 | Azar | Ts0p: if you do not tell what you did nobody can help you |
| 06:42.49 | spikebike | right, but this is the previous unstable/testing |
| 06:42.53 | streuner | unstable/sid, testing/etch, stable/sarge |
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| 06:43.16 | liable | spikebike: you mean it was testing sarge? |
| 06:43.27 | spikebike | can't I upgrade from the pre-sarge testing/unstable |
| 06:43.31 | spikebike | I guess so |
| 06:43.38 | spikebike | can I tell somehow? |
| 06:44.02 | Ts0p | when i type iwconfig i get lo , irda0,eth0,sito"no wireless extention." then i get eth1 with all my sireless connection"? |
| 06:44.03 | liable | whats libc6 version? |
| 06:44.09 | streuner | spikebike: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 06:44.11 | Azar | streuner: his sources show / stable (left like that from the woody times) he might have a warge there |
| 06:44.30 | deadcat | ootput: you using clearlooks? |
| 06:44.30 | streuner | Azar: don't let us guess... |
| 06:45.04 | spikebike | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 06:45.34 | spikebike | nothing for the second one |
| 06:45.45 | streuner | spkebike: nothing for the second line? |
| 06:45.51 | spikebike | yeah |
| 06:45.51 | streuner | why is that? |
| 06:45.53 | tnks | kmplayer |
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| 06:46.08 | spikebike | was it suppsoed to be grep 50 |
| 06:46.09 | spikebike | ? |
| 06:46.20 | tnks | (sorry. wrong window) |
| 06:46.23 | liable | no |
| 06:46.25 | deadcat | ootput: i dont know. i still like playmp3list the best. simple as hell. |
| 06:46.39 | streuner | spkebike: try without 'grep 500', but don't paste the whole result here... |
| 06:46.44 | Boukensya | hey guys, some reason my pure-ftpd is hiding .* files, how do I get this not not occur? cheers |
| 06:46.48 | spikebike | you want the http lines? |
| 06:47.01 | streuner | spkebike: yes |
| 06:47.09 | spikebike | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.09 | spikebike | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.27 | streuner | spikebike: ok, your sources.list seems not ok too |
| 06:47.45 | spikebike | not ok? |
| 06:48.11 | streuner | spikebike: there aren't any packages which goes into stable/sarge anymore, expect packages which need to be fixed... |
| 06:48.58 | spikebike | my goal is just to upgrade to sarge |
| 06:49.18 | spikebike | sarge is current enough |
| 06:49.48 | Ts0p | can someone help me |
| 06:50.07 | Ts0p | i can still ping the debian box but i can't browse the net |
| 06:50.12 | liable | spikebike: paste your entire sources list to a paster |
| 06:50.23 | spikebike | apt.source? |
| 06:50.27 | liable | Ts0p: check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:50.32 | spikebike | er sources.list |
| 06:50.32 | liable | yes |
| 06:50.42 | spikebike | it's only 3 lines, but sure |
| 06:50.51 | Ts0p | liable check what there |
| 06:50.58 | jm_ | did he run update yet? :) |
| 06:51.08 | liable | Ts0p: that you have correct dns server ip's in there |
| 06:51.21 | liable | Ts0p: or your routers ip. |
| 06:51.30 | liable | jm_: believe so. |
| 06:51.33 | spikebike | http://pastebin.ca/42986 |
| 06:51.39 | pokute_ | uhh. this is problematic... |
| 06:51.40 | spikebike | it's exactly as apt-setup wrote it |
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| 06:51.50 | pokute_ | linux crashes when upgrading X. |
| 06:52.02 | Ts0p | liable i have nameserver 68.87.76.178 |
| 06:52.14 | deadcat | pokute_: from what to what? |
| 06:52.51 | liable | Ts0p: what output does route give then? |
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| 06:53.02 | streuner | spikebike: connection refused |
| 06:53.09 | liable | spikebike: ok, you did run apt-get update didnt you? |
| 06:53.13 | streuner | !paster |
| 06:53.14 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 06:53.21 | streuner | spikebike: ^^^ |
| 06:53.30 | liable | streuner: i could browse it. |
| 06:53.31 | spikebike | yes, I did an apt-get update |
| 06:53.34 | Ts0p | liable what do u mean |
| 06:53.41 | streuner | liable: hm, wired then |
| 06:53.52 | liable | Ts0p: type 'route' as root |
| 06:53.53 | spikebike | crap I just used it to create it... sigh |
| 06:54.03 | spikebike | ah, pastbin is up again |
| 06:54.09 | pokute_ | deadcat: let's see. |
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| 06:55.04 | spikebike | ah, just pasted to #flood |
| 06:55.15 | Ts0p | liable an ip address * 255.255.255.0 u 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 06:55.16 | spikebike | oh sorry |
| 06:55.18 | spikebike | got it |
| 06:55.46 | spikebike | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1921 |
| 06:55.47 | Ts0p | defult another ip 0.0.0. UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 06:56.10 | Ts0p | liable so what should i do |
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| 06:57.09 | pokute_ | deadcat: Setting up xserver-xorg (6.9.0.dfsg.1-4) ... |
| 06:57.09 | Seb | sup yall |
| 06:57.16 | pokute_ | xserver-xorg config warning: Migrating xserver-xfree86 debconf values to xserver-xorg. |
| 06:57.22 | pokute_ | xserver-xorg config warning: failed to infer keyboard layout from layout/lang '10 debian-installer/keymap doesn't exist--' |
| 06:57.28 | pokute_ | That's the last thing I hear from it. |
| 06:57.31 | jm_ | heh |
| 06:57.32 | deadcat | pokute_: sarge? etch? |
| 06:57.42 | liable | Ts0p: is eth1 the iface you are using? |
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| 06:58.00 | Ts0p | liable yes |
| 06:58.04 | liable | spikebike: what does aptitude install libc6 do? |
| 06:58.07 | pokute_ | uhh. dunno. |
| 06:58.14 | streuner | spikebike: seems ok to me, just run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' now |
| 06:58.16 | deadcat | too bad |
| 06:58.17 | spikebike | I can't install aptitude |
| 06:58.21 | jm_ | why not? |
| 06:58.29 | pokute_ | Linux colinux 2.6.10-co-0.6.2 |
| 06:58.30 | liable | use apt-get then |
| 06:58.43 | pokute_ | with debian |
| 06:58.53 | liable | Ts0p: whats your routers ip? |
| 06:58.55 | deadcat | pokute_: that aint debian |
| 06:59.05 | spikebike | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1922 is the result of apt-get install aptitude |
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| 06:59.27 | spikebike | Sorry, libc6 is already the newest version. |
| 06:59.33 | Ts0p | liable u mean my hardeware router or the cmd u just gave me? |
| 06:59.40 | deadcat | !u |
| 06:59.40 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:59.52 | liable | Ts0p: yeah, your hardware router |
| 06:59.59 | pokute_ | deadcat: I believe it is. At least it was debian root image that I installed. |
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| 07:00.22 | deadcat | pokute_: colinux doesnt really sound debian to me |
| 07:00.28 | Ts0p | liable do i need to put it here?!! |
| 07:00.33 | streuner | spikebike: seems ok to me, just run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' now, what happens if you run this? |
| 07:00.57 | pokute_ | !colinux |
| 07:00.57 | dpkg | colinux is probably http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ... |
| 07:01.15 | liable | Ts0p: its internal address, yes |
| 07:01.19 | jm_ | spikebike: install libsigc++-1.2-5c102 manually and see what it says |
| 07:01.20 | streuner | liable: s/seems ok to me/ / |
| 07:01.26 | spikebike | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1923 |
| 07:01.33 | spikebike | basically 0 packages upgraded |
| 07:01.36 | pokute_ | And it has several root images, like debian, some hat, can't remember. |
| 07:01.37 | Ts0p | liable yes and it's lister in the route |
| 07:01.37 | spikebike | (no errors) |
| 07:01.39 | streuner | liable: oops :-) |
| 07:02.15 | liable | :) |
| 07:02.38 | streuner | spikebike: so you have some unstable/testing used before? |
| 07:02.38 | Ts0p | liable but not listed in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:02.40 | liable | Ts0p: ok, make its ip in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 07:03.08 | Ts0p | liable how just put it in there |
| 07:03.11 | darth_chatri | could anyone point me to 2.6.8 kernel source package? |
| 07:03.17 | liable | Ts0p: edit the file |
| 07:03.25 | Seb | derek6543: apt-cache search 2.6.8 |
| 07:03.28 | darth_chatri | its the kernel i got with sarge |
| 07:03.28 | spikebike | steuner not really, I wasn't the admin that installed/upgraded this box |
| 07:03.32 | liable | spikebike: apt-get install libc6 |
| 07:03.44 | Ts0p | liable in the format nameserver x.x.x.x |
| 07:03.44 | darth_chatri | Seb: couldnt find the sources |
| 07:03.45 | spikebike | Sorry, libc6 is already the newest version. |
| 07:03.58 | liable | spikebike: something on hold i am thinking maybe.. |
| 07:04.10 | spikebike | is there a command to show holds? |
| 07:04.13 | Seb | darth_chatri: try this: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 07:04.14 | spikebike | or remove them |
| 07:04.19 | deadcat | what is /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
| 07:04.23 | darth_chatri | Seb: bte, i installed sarge and upgraded ot sid |
| 07:04.25 | Seb | spikebike: you can grep the output of dpkg -l |
| 07:04.29 | spikebike | I suspect despite claiming it's the newest, but it's not |
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| 07:04.39 | streuner | !tell spikebike about hold |
| 07:04.48 | Seb | darth_chatri: well, how about getting the latest kernel-source, ocmpiling it, and using that then ? |
| 07:05.02 | streuner | spikebike: apt-get upgrade should show you |
| 07:05.08 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:05.08 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:05.11 | liable | true |
| 07:05.15 | spikebike | there is no /etc/apt/sources.list.d, only an apt.conf.d |
| 07:05.15 | bintut | hello.. is it practical to buy an amd64 box for debian? |
| 07:05.27 | darth_chatri | Seb: thats the last option ... i just wanted to get ndiswrapper actually, but the repository seems to be broken |
| 07:05.35 | spikebike | apt-get upgrade says 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 07:05.40 | deadcat | spikebike: i do |
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| 07:05.44 | pokute_ | deadcat: But anyway. I just removed the new x server stuff, leaving the old. And that allowed the upgrade to go trough. |
| 07:05.57 | Seb | darth_chatri: usually the install kernels are pretty specific beasts. You might be better off anyway with a classic one. |
| 07:06.04 | spikebike | deadcat I'm not surprised, this isn't a sarge box (yet, that is the goal) |
| 07:06.11 | Seb | bintut: define practical |
| 07:06.16 | deadcat | spikebike: you or me? |
| 07:06.32 | darth_chatri | Seb: classic means older or newer? |
| 07:06.32 | Seb | deadcat: sup in the east bay ? |
| 07:06.34 | Azar | evening, mr tarzeau |
| 07:06.41 | Seb | darth_chatri: classic as in a regular one, not an install one |
| 07:06.52 | deadcat | Seb: not bad.. just school for me. (= |
| 07:06.54 | spikebike | my libc6 is ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 07:06.57 | Seb | darth_chatri: know what ? apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-... and get the corresponding headers too |
| 07:06.58 | spikebike | what is sarge's ? |
| 07:07.02 | liable | 22 |
| 07:07.02 | tarzeau | Azar: hi. it's morning here, and i got to go. not the best weather, but i love teh snow |
| 07:07.12 | Seb | darth_chatri: that way you can avoid compiling one and missing things. |
| 07:07.14 | darth_chatri | seb: thats what i'm doing |
| 07:07.15 | deadcat | Seb: hopefully get myself ready for baytobreakers in may. hehe |
| 07:07.16 | Azar | :) good day then tarzeau |
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| 07:07.21 | Seb | deadcat: heh. Going to Cal ? |
| 07:07.29 | liable | spikebike: do you have an apt preferences file? |
| 07:07.34 | tarzeau | Azar: same to you |
| 07:07.36 | deadcat | Seb: heh. hell no. i am not a smart guy... sac state hehe |
| 07:07.41 | spikebike | liable yes |
| 07:07.42 | Seb | deadcat: bah ;) |
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| 07:07.49 | liable | spikebike: paste it |
| 07:07.57 | deadcat | Seb: my name is Cal. thats the closest thing (= |
| 07:08.04 | Seb | deadcat: hahah nice |
| 07:08.11 | spikebike | uh, oh, does that override apt.sources? |
| 07:08.20 | spikebike | er sources.list |
| 07:08.25 | liable | spikebike: or delete it.. |
| 07:08.42 | Azar | spikebike: whenever you get a little time, I am curious about the hardware specs, you said is an old machine |
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| 07:08.47 | deadcat | Seb: i am ready for another crappy giants season )= |
| 07:08.47 | spikebike | ding ding ding |
| 07:09.00 | Seb | deadcat: sheesh, tell me about it :\ |
| 07:09.01 | spikebike | 458 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 400 not upgraded. |
| 07:09.08 | spikebike | liable I owe you |
| 07:09.12 | spikebike | something so simple |
| 07:09.27 | liable | spikebike: any expensive beer will do :) |
| 07:09.31 | Azar | \0/ for liable! |
| 07:09.34 | spikebike | where are you? |
| 07:09.41 | spikebike | (liable) |
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| 07:09.49 | deadcat | spikebike: behind you! |
| 07:09.52 | spikebike | heh |
| 07:09.53 | jm_ | haha |
| 07:09.54 | Azar | :) |
| 07:10.09 | Azar | rrrigght here with us |
| 07:10.10 | spikebike | I'm in davis (near sacramento, ca) |
| 07:10.21 | spikebike | and would happily buy some expensive beer |
| 07:10.22 | Seb | spikebike: heh, Folsom State Pen ;) |
| 07:10.51 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 07:11.10 | deadcat | san quentin bitch! |
| 07:11.10 | Azar | all over the news today: ATI slammed for lack of Linux support |
| 07:11.17 | Seb | deadcat: :D |
| 07:11.23 | deadcat | hahaha. |
| 07:11.29 | Seb | Azar: in other news, Titanic sinks :> |
| 07:11.37 | Azar | haha Seb |
| 07:11.40 | Ts0p | liable are u still there |
| 07:11.41 | _iksaif | !key |
| 07:11.46 | liable | spikebike: .au |
| 07:11.51 | liable | Ts0p: yeah |
| 07:12.03 | Seb | .au would definitely be considered "there", from "here", heh |
| 07:12.11 | Ts0p | liable i'm still waitting for u to help me |
| 07:12.23 | Seb | !u |
| 07:12.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:12.35 | Azar | Seb, is good when consumers start voicing frustrations over a product that does not deliver |
| 07:12.40 | Ts0p | i added nameserver ip to /etc/resov.conf but nothing happen |
| 07:12.42 | spikebike | bintut definitely practical to buy an amd64 |
| 07:12.44 | Seb | *nod* |
| 07:12.53 | liable | Ts0p: err, i am not your personal tech.. but did you add the routers ip to resolv.conf? |
| 07:12.57 | deadcat | Ts0p: what you expect? a coookie? |
| 07:13.13 | kevix | deadcat: ummmm. donut! |
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| 07:13.29 | Seb | someone call 911 |
| 07:13.33 | deadcat | awww |
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| 07:13.50 | Seb | holy shit I'm bored |
| 07:14.00 | SeungNeGun | just sleep |
| 07:14.00 | kevix | half way throught upgrade to xorg 7.0.... so far so good! |
| 07:14.06 | Azar | configuring the connection was the first thing I did on my own as a newbie, back when I was first learning using woody / no gui desktop at all, just command line back then |
| 07:14.09 | bintut | Seb: basically, debian as a server will perfectly work in smooth way in a production environment.. packages are available for amd64.. hardware wise.. price wise.. |
| 07:14.17 | Seb | SeungNeGun: nah, cmon, not yet |
| 07:14.21 | Ts0p | deadcat no ur girlfirend here next to me |
| 07:14.25 | Seb | bintut: it is |
| 07:14.28 | Azar | Seb want an e-newspaper? |
| 07:14.28 | SeungNeGun | ..; |
| 07:14.30 | deadcat | kevix: from experiemtnal right? what packages you getting? -core or the min? |
| 07:14.36 | Seb | deadcat: hmm someone is asking for trouble |
| 07:14.38 | deadcat | Ts0p: dont have one (= |
| 07:14.46 | Seb | deadcat: oh well in this case :> |
| 07:14.50 | deadcat | Ts0p: damn took you like 10min for a comeback ? |
| 07:14.55 | Seb | hah |
| 07:14.57 | Ts0p | deadcat lol |
| 07:14.58 | Azar | Seb your bic looks sexy |
| 07:15.03 | bintut | Seb: so you mean, amd64 box is practical for production use on debian system? |
| 07:15.05 | deadcat | Seb: hes just slow. (= |
| 07:15.06 | kevix | deadcat: first I got xserver-xorg-video-nv which gets some basic =input and -core. |
| 07:15.07 | Seb | bintut: correct |
| 07:15.12 | Seb | Azar: my whut ? |
| 07:15.22 | Azar | your :> |
| 07:15.22 | bintut | Seb: but i can't find a debian for amd64. :( |
| 07:15.26 | liable | your pen? |
| 07:15.35 | jm_ | bintut: try #debian-amd64 |
| 07:15.38 | Ts0p | deadcat you should compile one then |
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| 07:15.48 | Seb | bintut: my *bic* ? |
| 07:15.48 | deadcat | kevix: ah. i plan to get that package too. then remove anything from 6.9 which i dont need |
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| 07:15.53 | Seb | lighter, pen ? |
| 07:15.58 | kevix | deadcat: it took some fun from aptitude + this and - that and b the other... |
| 07:16.05 | bintut | Seb: what do you mean? |
| 07:16.09 | bintut | jm_: ok.. |
| 07:16.10 | Seb | hrm |
| 07:16.11 | Azar | Seb your emoticon looks like a chicken head |
| 07:16.12 | Seb | bintut: wrong nick |
| 07:16.17 | deadcat | Ts0p: thats ok. compile+girl dont really mix unless you plan to virtual fuck it |
| 07:16.24 | Seb | Azar: ah |
| 07:16.25 | liable | emoticon? |
| 07:16.25 | kevix | deadcat: which is what I am doing next.. x-window-system-core |
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| 07:16.28 | bintut | Seb: ok. thanks. |
| 07:16.42 | Seb | watch out |
| 07:16.44 | Ts0p | deadcat omg.... lamo |
| 07:17.14 | liable | where is this emoticon? |
| 07:17.22 | Seb | :> I guess |
| 07:17.28 | deadcat | kevix: x-*-core is ok since it contains the other stuff like fonts. good when i go through them in debfoster so i dont have to seperate the required X stuff |
| 07:17.30 | liable | oh |
| 07:17.40 | kevix | Seb: have you ever seen towlie on south park! |
| 07:17.48 | Seb | kevix: hell yeah 8) |
| 07:18.12 | liable | hehe, towlie is pretty funny. |
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| 07:19.40 | Azar | nnn_@!@_nnn |
| 07:19.52 | kevix | deadcat: there is some wackyness with versions of discover that I had to fix before getting x-window-system-core |
| 07:20.04 | Ts0p | okay anyone in the mode to help me setup my resolv.conf |
| 07:20.07 | b0xy | I'm bored |
| 07:20.14 | b0xy | are intel xeons good procs at all? |
| 07:20.19 | Seb | b0xy: let's createa club |
| 07:20.28 | Seb | b0xy: got one, it's good enough |
| 07:20.31 | b0xy | 2 (one pair) of Intel Xeon 2.4GHz / 512k cache/ 533MHz FSB CPUs; SL6GD ; $180.00 shipped |
| 07:20.37 | b0xy | how's that for a deal? |
| 07:20.46 | b0xy | I've never even paid attention to going rates on xeons |
| 07:20.56 | b0xy | I pretty much stick to AMD |
| 07:21.01 | deadcat | kevix: its cool i dont use discover. (= i was removing x-window-system-core and when i did a debfoster fucking laptop-detect was installed on my desktop machine.. i guess one X app was holding to it so i --purged the mofo rightaway (= |
| 07:21.22 | Azar | Ts0p: when configuring a connection you have to have your info written down: call your ISP and ask for: 1. your ip#, your gateway ip#, and at least 2 DNS ip #rs. Then configure your /etc/network/interfaces and your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:22.20 | Azar | Ts0p: then learn from the manual: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
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| 07:23.18 | mr_claus | is there a ha package available on etch? |
| 07:23.28 | Azar | a ha ? |
| 07:23.30 | concept10 | deadcat, you told me the other day you have a tail on your desktop, how do you do that>? |
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| 07:23.48 | Seb | anyone seen 'Bully' ? Just found it on my HD... Is it any good ? |
| 07:23.49 | mr_claus | high availability |
| 07:24.11 | Seb | concept10: xterm ... -e 'tail -f ....' |
| 07:24.21 | deadcat | concept10: root-tail |
| 07:24.28 | sh0u | is a swap partition used actively or only when real memory runs out? |
| 07:24.33 | Seb | deadcat: that's cheating :> |
| 07:24.39 | deadcat | concept10: you can also use conky to tail it too, but i prefer root-tail (= |
| 07:24.39 | Seb | sh0u: the latter |
| 07:24.49 | sh0u | thanx |
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| 07:25.10 | stew | mr_claus: http://packages.qa.debian.org/heartbeat should tell you |
| 07:25.14 | deadcat | Seb: hahah. not if you use this: sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/bin/ROOT-TAIL <- i LOVE it |
| 07:25.46 | mr_claus | stew: ty |
| 07:25.46 | Ts0p | Azar but i was working fine just b4 i reboot |
| 07:25.55 | spikebike | boxy still around? |
| 07:25.58 | Ts0p | is there's a way i can get the old resolv.conf back |
| 07:26.06 | Seb | deadcat: man, if oyu don't enable apace indexing, how fun is that ? :> |
| 07:26.13 | liable | Ts0p: paste the entire output from ifconfig -a, iwconfig, route and etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:26.13 | d03boy | can someone help me out. I'm trying to set up mysql but it didnt make the /usr/local/mysql/bin like it was "supposed to" |
| 07:26.21 | mr_claus | stew: do you know if it is doing load balancing as well? |
| 07:26.24 | liable | !paster Ts0p |
| 07:26.24 | dpkg | Ts0p: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 07:26.33 | deadcat | Seb: whats space indexing? |
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| 07:26.45 | Seb | deadcat: 'apache' |
| 07:27.05 | jm_ | d03boy: actually it's not supposed to be doing that |
| 07:27.09 | Seb | d03boy: if you apt-get install, nothing should end up under /usr/local |
| 07:27.10 | deadcat | Seb: you mean directory index? |
| 07:27.13 | Seb | deadcat: right |
| 07:27.21 | d03boy | is there some guide that explains this? |
| 07:27.26 | deadcat | Seb: oh.. thats just some symlinks (= |
| 07:27.31 | liable | did you compile it? |
| 07:27.33 | spikebike | liable you don't happen to go to the linux ottawa symposium do ya? |
| 07:27.35 | concept10 | deadcat, will that work with gnome? |
| 07:27.35 | d03boy | I used apt |
| 07:27.36 | b0xy | hm... I wonder if a dual xeon box would make a good server if I can get some stuff on the cheap then... |
| 07:27.36 | Seb | d03boy: apt-get install mysql-server, than doc is in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server |
| 07:27.40 | Ts0p | dpkg how am i going to paste it and i don't have connection on that box |
| 07:27.42 | Seb | s/than/then/ |
| 07:27.46 | d03boy | Seb, ah ok. That'll work |
| 07:27.47 | liable | spikebike: to far away :( |
| 07:27.52 | spikebike | b0xy be careful for many things the xeons are 1/2 as fast |
| 07:28.02 | spikebike | liable yeah, even for me in the usa it's pretty damn far |
| 07:28.12 | b0xy | .5 as fast as what? |
| 07:28.13 | spikebike | prolly less than a 1/3rd of yours though |
| 07:28.17 | spikebike | b0xy opterons |
| 07:28.22 | b0xy | ah |
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| 07:28.26 | b0xy | yeah |
| 07:28.26 | deadcat | concept10: i doubt it. since gnome/kde runs some stuff to take over the root layer. but you can disable that though.. i dont know how |
| 07:28.35 | b0xy | but you can't get dual opterons for $185 shipped |
| 07:28.40 | spikebike | true |
| 07:28.41 | b0xy | I'm just curious about it |
| 07:29.04 | concept10 | deadcat, I used this: root-tail -g 800x250+100+50 -font 10x20 /var/log/messages,green -font |
| 07:29.04 | concept10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.12 | b0xy | heh. i don't even know what socket they are |
| 07:29.16 | b0xy | need to do some research I guess |
| 07:29.16 | darth_chatri | anyone using 2.6.15 (sid)? |
| 07:29.17 | liable | Ts0p: you can ping though you said? |
| 07:29.18 | concept10 | do you use something similar? |
| 07:29.24 | Ts0p | yes |
| 07:29.34 | liable | Ts0p: by hostname? |
| 07:29.46 | deadcat | concept10: if you just want 1 file to display, use conky's feature. i just prefer root-tail since the script is mroe flexible for me |
| 07:29.55 | liable | Ts0p: outside your lan? |
| 07:30.24 | Ts0p | liable should i try and pig google |
| 07:30.29 | liable | yes |
| 07:30.35 | kevix | deadcat: here is an important bit: install x11-common xnest xserver-xorg REMOVE xserver-common.... |
| 07:30.48 | concept10 | deadcat, okay, thanks, I will read up on it |
| 07:30.59 | deadcat | kevix: xnest kinna useless. to me |
| 07:31.16 | Ts0p | liable i can't |
| 07:31.21 | deadcat | kevix: i am waiting to see if it will blow up on you first (= |
| 07:31.35 | deadcat | kevix: your nvidia-glx still working with 7.0? |
| 07:31.42 | kevix | deadcat: this upgrade so far is not straight-forward.... |
| 07:31.48 | deadcat | (= |
| 07:31.51 | Ts0p | but from this windows machine and can ping the linux box |
| 07:32.04 | deadcat | kevix: i think i just just purge x and start over (= |
| 07:32.10 | kevix | deadcat: I just had to remove nvidia-glx-legacy! |
| 07:32.25 | liable | Ts0p: ping 66.249.89.104 |
| 07:32.34 | deadcat | it wanted to remove my nvidia-glx earlier so i stopped the upgrade |
| 07:32.45 | deadcat | i'll wait till it gets to sid |
| 07:33.01 | deadcat | no point since xgl stuff aint here either hehe |
| 07:33.14 | Ts0p | unreachable |
| 07:33.23 | kevix | deadcat: so I use crappy nv until things work out. but I help get bugs fixed by doing it... x-) |
| 07:33.24 | Azar | what has xorg over xfree? |
| 07:33.34 | liable | Ts0p: ok, type the exact output from route to #flood |
| 07:33.44 | Ts0p | k |
| 07:33.45 | liable | Azar: newer drivers. |
| 07:34.01 | kevix | Azar: Xfree86 is the old X server, Xorg is the new X server |
| 07:34.15 | jm_ | and some new functionality too |
| 07:34.17 | Azar | liable ah, so me having a fully working driver with xfree would make no sense to move up to xorg |
| 07:34.25 | liable | exactly |
| 07:34.33 | Azar | kevix, yes I guessed |
| 07:34.34 | deadcat | kevix: thanks hehe (= because i aint doing it hahah |
| 07:34.50 | liable | Azar: plus theres some liscensing issues with xfree.. |
| 07:35.02 | Azar | liable ouch, that is not good.. |
| 07:35.05 | deadcat | they really SHOULDNT called it xFREE |
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| 07:35.23 | deadcat | well ex-FREE maybe |
| 07:35.26 | Azar | well they could rename it and problem gone |
| 07:35.27 | liable | heh |
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| 07:36.18 | Azar | I will only be able and willing to get xorg when etch comes out stable |
| 07:37.22 | kevix | Azar: folks upgrade for different reasons. if you want stabilty, use stable. a good reason. |
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| 07:38.33 | Azar | kevix, it crawles the skin on my bones thinking I will have to start learning all over when etch comes out: grub, xorg, new installer drills |
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| 07:39.28 | kevix | Azar: Debian is not like that! |
| 07:39.56 | sep | Azar, grub is the best thing ever youll love it. and xorg is just like xfree with a different name. and since you use debian (lucky you) all you need to know is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (instead of xfree) |
| 07:40.16 | kevix | Azar: you can still use lilo, Xorg is not that much differnt that setting up xserver. the installer IS WAY easier! |
| 07:40.24 | deadcat | no he just need dist-upgrade |
| 07:41.07 | kevix | sep: any idea if the graphical installer will be ready for etch? |
| 07:41.18 | sep | kevix, no idea and i'd probably not use it anyway |
| 07:41.29 | liable | lilo is actually better looking than grub in sid.. |
| 07:41.34 | sep | kevix, the sarge installer is simple stright forward and does everything i need. with no bloat. |
| 07:41.49 | sep | it's WAAAY better then anaconda imo |
| 07:41.58 | deadcat | guess we no longer talk about boot splash stuff here no more! |
| 07:42.14 | kevix | sep: it will allow indic and other exotic languge not support by regual installer. |
| 07:42.19 | sep | liable, who cares my boxes are headless :) |
| 07:42.47 | sep | kevix, well i allways install in english instead of my native language... but i can see that as useful to some people |
| 07:42.49 | Azar | sep, I remember I toed with grub last year and I drowned. the Sarge installer confused me like hell so I rushed back to the old woody CD |
| 07:43.06 | liable | sep: i care, cause grub was giving me troubles, and lilo looks better anyway! :P |
| 07:43.09 | stew | mr_claus: for load balancing you want ldirectord |
| 07:43.43 | sep | Azar, well it took a bit of getting used to grub. but now i allways have a grub bootable floppy , you can boot anything from grub cli :) |
| 07:43.49 | Azar | at least I know how to use lilo, how to troubleshoot the bootloader, how to edit the file, about grub, I can't understand it |
| 07:43.58 | deadcat | woody installer IS the best. |
| 07:44.07 | liable | meh |
| 07:44.09 | mr_claus | stew: ty |
| 07:44.25 | twb | Hmm. What is a grep-dctrl predicate to select virtual packages? |
| 07:44.42 | twb | I want to -and -not it :-) |
| 07:44.43 | sep | Azar, if you have a regular sarge you shoudnt need to know anything about it, since it automagicaly adds all kernel-images to the list |
| 07:44.43 | Azar | woody installer has the magic, that it can accept almost any hardware.. |
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| 07:45.45 | Azar | sep I ordered the sarge CDs and tried to use the installer, I had to give up in the middle of installation at partitions... I have had no idea how to work with it |
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| 07:46.01 | Azar | so I sent them sarge CDs to a friend as gift |
| 07:46.24 | sep | Azar, well it might help having the install manual by your side. :) |
| 07:46.34 | Azar | I like the woody navigation in the partition screens |
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| 07:47.35 | Paivakil | kevix: http://www.webalice.it/zinosat/g-i/mini_20060223.iso <--- have a look |
| 07:47.35 | Azar | the only thing I really loved at sarge installation: nice colors |
| 07:47.40 | stew | mr_claus: i recommend reading the docs at ultramonkey.org if you haven't already |
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| 07:48.23 | mr_claus | stew: ok, i will do, thx for that hint |
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| 07:48.30 | Azar | and do not think colors are not important: it drastically lifts the self esteem and kills the fears in a newbie |
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| 07:50.24 | sep | Azar, well i'v never seen debian as a newbees distro tho. i feel that all the free distroes are aiming more and more at the desktop. but i am not that interested in the desktop. |
| 07:51.07 | twb | Is there a way to do something like "curl http://path/to/bash.deb | dpkg -X - /etc/profile" to get a particular file out of a deb archive? |
| 07:51.08 | sep | on the sidetrack: anyone know the url for how the buildd's are holding up. i have an alpha that is decomissioned that could be a buildd. but not if it isnt needed |
| 07:51.46 | Azar | sep I am with you but a pleasant installation screen (colors, maybe even some animation) is strategic for a successful acceptance by a newbie population. why do you think ms stuff looks like a gay parade? |
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| 07:53.20 | Azar | most commercial rogue software bank on the eye chocolate effect on population to sell often lousy software |
| 07:53.48 | chealer | sep: buildd.debian.org? |
| 07:53.50 | mr_claus | stew: it seems i cannot use it, ldirectord is not supporting xdmcp |
| 07:54.10 | twb | Azar: I think you mean "eye candy" or "chrome". |
| 07:54.26 | sep | Azar, well i dont think a generel acceptence by the newbie population is such a good thing. debian excels at servers and you can do _anything_ with it. keeping 100 desktops in sync with a local repo it can make you wet your pants :) there are so many debian based distroes out there aiming for the newbie |
| 07:54.35 | sep | already |
| 07:54.35 | Azar | twb yes, but it happen I like chocolate more than candies |
| 07:54.48 | fooz | eye chocolate! |
| 07:55.06 | twb | eye chocolate sounds like some sort of porn star euphemism. |
| 07:55.12 | fooz | hehe |
| 07:55.20 | fooz | browneye! |
| 07:55.29 | liable | sep: debian makes you wet your pants? :) |
| 07:55.45 | twb | No, but GNU Screen gives me multiple orgasms. |
| 07:55.58 | liable | haha |
| 07:56.28 | twb | If I was stranded on a desert island and could only take one program with me, it would be GNU Screen. |
| 07:56.44 | liable | but what would you do with it? |
| 07:56.51 | Azar | sep, right, indeed but sadly the commercialization of computers has been heavily pushed to the non-tech population via cheap tricks that indoctrinate the newbie that "they do not have to worry about learning nothing" the point-n-click will qualify them as savy computer users |
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| 07:57.58 | twb | Azar: is that a surprise to anyone? |
| 07:58.13 | Azar | twb you would be amazed , yes and to many |
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| 07:59.18 | Azar | bed time good night honorables |
| 07:59.25 | fooz | twb, nethack mode? |
| 07:59.33 | twb | fooz: what about it? |
| 07:59.39 | fooz | twb, do you use it? :) |
| 07:59.42 | twb | Nope. |
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| 08:00.16 | twb | I use the copy, detach, split, multiplexing, and acl features most. |
| 08:00.41 | d03boy | is it ok if I installed apache first and then mysql and php4? |
| 08:01.06 | d03boy | via apt |
| 08:01.09 | liable | itguy: ts0p? |
| 08:01.12 | jdh | yes.. |
| 08:01.13 | twb | d03boy: that sounds fine. |
| 08:01.19 | Ts0p | liable yes sir |
| 08:01.26 | liable | yw |
| 08:01.30 | twb | d03boy: apt is difficult to break accidentally. |
| 08:02.02 | kevix | d03boy: aptitude is way better but takes a bit to learn |
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| 08:03.29 | Ts0p | liable which sofware do u use to login here |
| 08:03.37 | liable | aptitude install foo... not hard at all :) |
| 08:03.46 | liable | Ts0p: huh? |
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| 08:03.59 | liable | Ts0p: irc? |
| 08:04.11 | itguy | !find irc |
| 08:04.35 | liable | itguy: you mean what irc client or what? |
| 08:04.52 | d03boy | hmm... seems like PHP didnt merge with apache so well :\ |
| 08:04.58 | itguy | what irc clinet and can i get it |
| 08:05.26 | liable | theres lots. try em all, but the cool kids use irssi-text :) |
| 08:05.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'irc' (9 of 35): (/etc/advirc) in tex/advi ;; (/etc/tirc/tircrc) in net/tirc ;; (/etc/kde3/kexirc) in kde/kexi ;; (/etc/gnokiirc) in comm/gnokii ;; (/etc/kde3/ksircrc) in net/ksirc ;; (/etc/X11/wmii/wmiirc) in x11/wmii ;; (/etc/epic4/epic4.irc) in net/epic4 ;; (/etc/ncbi/.ncbirc) in libs/libncbi6 ;; (/etc/gonzuirc.sample) in devel/gonzui. |
| 08:06.15 | itguy | i am using irssi now but it's hard |
| 08:06.25 | itguy | i mean i'm not used to it yet |
| 08:06.27 | d03boy | anyone know how I make apache install the php4 module? |
| 08:06.34 | liable | !be an irssi barbie |
| 08:06.34 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 08:06.36 | d03boy | ..or something |
| 08:06.58 | liable | itguy: its great once you get a good theme and work it out.. |
| 08:07.41 | liable | due to my shitty laptop modem and me having to use windows atm, i am using xchat and want to kill someone.. |
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| 08:07.55 | d03boy | xchat has some nice features, but has some really gayness to it |
| 08:08.03 | itguy | lol |
| 08:08.06 | d03boy | why wont my php4 crap work? |
| 08:08.26 | liable | after using irssi for a while, xchat blows.. but at least theres a free one for windows now.. |
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| 08:08.45 | liable | who want to give me a shell? |
| 08:08.51 | liable | :) |
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| 08:09.50 | itguy | where can i get a theme for irssi |
| 08:10.05 | derek6543 | udev is killing me |
| 08:11.02 | liable | irssi.org |
| 08:11.24 | liable | derek6543: thats what its description says its supposed to do :) |
| 08:11.35 | derek6543 | haha! |
| 08:11.47 | derek6543 | im sick over this |
| 08:11.50 | itguy | liable when u type something addressed to me here do u actually type my name or theres a short cut for that |
| 08:12.00 | liable | purge the fucker then.. |
| 08:12.04 | derek6543 | this is my first x86 pc and I cant even have fun with it |
| 08:12.12 | derek6543 | can you purge it? |
| 08:12.20 | liable | itguy: tab completetion... it<tab> |
| 08:12.24 | derek6543 | it wont hut anything? |
| 08:12.31 | derek6543 | hurt* |
| 08:12.33 | liable | derek6543: you have gnome? |
| 08:12.37 | derek6543 | no |
| 08:12.41 | derek6543 | fluxbox |
| 08:12.46 | liable | then yes, just remove it.. |
| 08:12.51 | derek6543 | sweet |
| 08:12.58 | itguy | omg |
| 08:13.03 | liable | derek6543: why did you install it? |
| 08:13.05 | itguy | liable: hahahahah |
| 08:13.07 | derek6543 | i didnt |
| 08:13.14 | itguy | liable: that is cool |
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| 08:13.19 | derek6543 | it came with it |
| 08:13.28 | liable | derek6543: well something depended on it, so there will be some drama.. |
| 08:13.29 | derek6543 | with testing i mean |
| 08:13.33 | derek6543 | ya |
| 08:13.41 | derek6543 | the kernel depends on it |
| 08:13.45 | derek6543 | :( |
| 08:13.47 | liable | bullshit |
| 08:13.49 | derek6543 | ya it is |
| 08:14.29 | derek6543 | no problems on powerpc though |
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| 08:14.59 | liable | derek6543: what kernel? |
| 08:15.08 | derek6543 | 2.6.15-1 |
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| 08:15.26 | liable | !depends linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 08:15.37 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.15-1-686: depends on module-init-tools (>= 0.9.13), initramfs-tools | yaird | linux-initramfs-tool |
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| 08:15.46 | liable | derek6543: ^^ |
| 08:16.02 | derek6543 | im not sure im not on that puter right now |
| 08:16.15 | liable | so dont bullshit then.. |
| 08:16.19 | derek6543 | what? |
| 08:16.25 | itguy | liable: is there is a script like invison for mirc |
| 08:16.31 | liable | dunno |
| 08:16.47 | derek6543 | pretty sure that the kernel |
| 08:17.03 | liable | derek6543: you said udev is a depends of the kernel, i showed it isnt, now you say you arent on the box.. bullshit.. |
| 08:17.12 | derek6543 | it is depended on it |
| 08:17.21 | derek6543 | dont know what your talking about |
| 08:17.37 | liable | udev may depend on the kernel, but the kernel doesnt depend on udev.. |
| 08:17.44 | derek6543 | yes |
| 08:17.52 | sep | can you tunnel https with ssh -l 443:127.0.0.1:443 just like you do port 80 ? since i can get 80 to work but 443 just have the page load forever |
| 08:18.05 | liable | so you can remove it, so wtf did you say that the kernel depends on udev? |
| 08:18.28 | derek6543 | i cant remove it without removing the kernel |
| 08:18.52 | fatal_ | derek6543: thats your problem... everyone else can. |
| 08:19.00 | derek6543 | im on testing |
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| 08:19.23 | itguy | !find hostap |
| 08:19.24 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'hostap' (11 of 15): hostap-modules-2.4.27-2-386 ;; hostap-modules-2.4.27-2-586tsc ;; hostap-modules-2.4.27-2-686 ;; hostap-modules-2.4.27-2-686-smp ;; hostap-modules-2.4.27-2-k6 ;; hostap-modules-2.4.27-2-k7 ;; hostap-modules-2.4.27-2-k7-smp ;; hostap-modules-2.6.8-2-386 ;; hostap-modules-2.6.8-2-686 ;; hostap-modules-2.6.8-2-686-smp ;; hostap-modules-2.6.8-2-k7. |
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| 08:19.57 | derek6543 | dont believe me then google it |
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| 08:21.35 | lawgon | i tried to install webmin, the installation stopped with an error saying unable to install webmin-postfix. Now, whatever i try to install, at configuration time, the install halts saying unable to confiugre webmin-postfix. How to solve this? |
| 08:22.29 | kevix_ | lawgon: did you check the BTS? |
| 08:22.42 | Paivakil | !bts |
| 08:22.42 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 08:22.43 | lawgon | BTS? |
| 08:22.58 | kevix_ | drum roll please! |
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| 08:24.10 | liable | derek6543: no, you paste the output from removing udev to a paster. |
| 08:24.16 | d03boy | cant get this stupid php to work |
| 08:24.36 | derek6543 | why,i dont care if you believe me or nor |
| 08:24.44 | kevix | anyone know how to find out what channel a user is on? |
| 08:24.51 | liable | so shut the fuck up then |
| 08:24.59 | derek6543 | wtf is your problem |
| 08:25.04 | derek6543 | how old are you? |
| 08:25.04 | liable | kevix: /whois |
| 08:25.06 | derek6543 | 15? |
| 08:25.23 | jm_ | kevix: the answer is either yes or no, is that good enough? |
| 08:25.29 | kevix | liable: thx! |
| 08:25.35 | d03boy | what would be the proper way to shut down apache? |
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| 08:25.57 | itguy | liable: who is makeing u mad just tell me and i'll kick his a55 for u |
| 08:26.00 | itguy | lol |
| 08:26.05 | kevix | jm_: I want the third option! |
| 08:26.12 | d03boy | i just want to go to bed |
| 08:26.12 | SlayerXP | kevix: third option is "maybe" |
| 08:26.47 | stew | derek6543: apt-get remove udev yaird+ |
| 08:26.47 | kevix | SlayerXP: I want a CMDRTACO option! |
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| 08:27.07 | liable | d03boy: /etc/init.d/apache stop; apachectl stop |
| 08:27.14 | d03boy | ty |
| 08:27.16 | derek6543 | stew: will that do it? |
| 08:27.30 | itguy | liable: good night man it's time to goto bed it's 12:27am and i've to wake up and go to collage at 6:00am |
| 08:27.37 | itguy | good night all |
| 08:27.38 | liable | nite |
| 08:27.48 | kevix | derek6543: that is the magic combo for new kernels |
| 08:27.49 | stew | derek6543: the newer kernels depend on initramfs-tools | yaird. and initramfs-tools depends on udev, so you can remove udev (and initramfs-tools) if you, at the same time satisfy the kernel dependency with udev |
| 08:27.57 | itguy | liable: thanks for everything man will talk to u all tomoroww |
| 08:28.02 | stew | err s/with udev$/with yaird/ |
| 08:28.09 | derek6543 | thanks guys |
| 08:28.13 | derek6543 | i will try that |
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| 08:29.12 | SerajewelKS | firefox plugin handling has seemed a lot more stable recently... but I haven't upgraded firefox at all. is there some sort of plug-in glue library that is always used between firefox and plug-ins (flash, java, mplayer) that has been updated in the last month? |
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| 08:31.35 | themonkeymoo | does anybody have any tips to get a realtek NIC working with kernel 2.6.8? |
| 08:31.54 | liable | what model? |
| 08:32.02 | themonkeymoo | one sec |
| 08:32.15 | liable | the lspci output. |
| 08:32.25 | jm_ | load the module is how it's usually done |
| 08:33.02 | themonkeymoo | rtl8139/810x family |
| 08:33.13 | SlayerXP | jm_: a better answer would have been "the same way as every kernel since abour 2.0.11" :) |
| 08:33.23 | liable | its in kernel. |
| 08:33.48 | liable | they do have wireless nics not supported though.. |
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| 08:34.22 | themonkeymoo | the prob is I'm a complete linux noob and none of the advice I have been able to find on the web hasn't worked |
| 08:34.37 | themonkeymoo | er has worked |
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| 08:34.47 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 08:34.55 | lkthomas | anyone could help me to do a speed test ? |
| 08:35.10 | stew | themonkeymoo: do you see "eth0" when you run "ifconfig -a"? |
| 08:35.29 | liable | as root |
| 08:35.50 | themonkeymoo | yes |
| 08:36.17 | themonkeymoo | I have eth0, lo, and sit0 |
| 08:36.24 | stew | themonkeymoo: then it sounds like your nic is working you just need to assign an address, /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 08:37.08 | stew | themonkeymoo: then, after you have edited your interfaces file, "/etc/init.d/networking restart" |
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| 08:37.42 | liable | funny the installer didnt set it up though.. |
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| 08:38.29 | themonkeymoo | when I installed, it tried to set up DHCP and my router is running DHCP (my winblows machines have no problem) but it just wouldn't seem to connect |
| 08:38.55 | derek6543 | try running dhclient |
| 08:39.18 | noiesmo | thats odd all my debian systems pick up dhcp from router realtek intel 3com nics |
| 08:39.34 | liable | themonkeymoo: set a static ip then |
| 08:39.51 | liable | themonkeymoo: or try another dhcp client |
| 08:40.01 | themonkeymoo | result is the same as if I try ifup |
| 08:40.28 | spikebike | what is the debian way to permanently set eth1 to 192.168.1.1 |
| 08:40.31 | themonkeymoo | a lot of DHCPDISCOVER messages, all to 255.255.255.255, port 67 |
| 08:40.54 | liable | themonkeymoo: /usr/share/doc/ifupdow/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 08:40.57 | themonkeymoo | the interval listed varies, but at the end, it just says no working leases in persistent database |
| 08:41.03 | stew | spikebike: /msg dpkg man interfaces ; man interfaces |
| 08:41.13 | lkthomas | anyone from UK ? |
| 08:41.14 | liable | spikebike: ^^ my last comment to themonkeymoo |
| 08:41.17 | spikebike | thanks |
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| 08:41.41 | spikebike | yeah I need to set a static |
| 08:42.44 | themonkeymoo | liable: no such file or directory |
| 08:43.24 | stew | themonkeymoo: it should be ifupdown not ifupdow |
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| 08:43.54 | themonkeymoo | I don't seem to have /usr/share/doc |
| 08:44.05 | liable | themonkeymoo: i made a typo.. tab completeion, and you will need to use zless from a term.. |
| 08:44.10 | liable | wtf? |
| 08:44.13 | stew | themonkeymoo: you aren't running debian |
| 08:44.23 | themonkeymoo | yes, I am |
| 08:44.29 | stew | themonkeymoo: what version? |
| 08:44.30 | themonkeymoo | well, I'm trying |
| 08:44.40 | themonkeymoo | latest stable, Sarge 3.1 |
| 08:44.50 | themonkeymoo | with the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 08:44.58 | liable | !tab completion |
| 08:44.58 | dpkg | [tab completion] why karsten is sending you completely irrelevent messages. |
| 08:45.03 | liable | bah |
| 08:45.07 | stew | themonkeymoo: if you don't have /usr/share/doc, then someone else with root access removed it from your system |
| 08:45.16 | kevix | liable: dpkg got you! |
| 08:45.17 | themonkeymoo | I am the only one on the system |
| 08:45.28 | stew | s/else// |
| 08:45.31 | themonkeymoo | and I never removed any directories |
| 08:45.34 | liable | !bash completion |
| 08:45.40 | stew | themonkeymoo: then you have /usr/share/doc/ |
| 08:45.45 | liable | !stupid bot |
| 08:45.46 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 08:45.50 | SlayerXP | themolester: then your system has been broken into. wipe the disk and reinstall. |
| 08:46.01 | themonkeymoo | my bad |
| 08:46.08 | themonkeymoo | syntax error |
| 08:46.25 | themonkeymoo | I tried to cd to /doc instead of just doc |
| 08:47.10 | liable | zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 08:47.21 | liable | i think :) |
| 08:47.35 | liable | dont have a debian boxen :( |
| 08:48.00 | derek6543 | your a fuckin dick liable |
| 08:48.08 | liable | thankyou |
| 08:48.12 | derek6543 | why dont you go kill you self |
| 08:48.33 | kevix | derek6543: kill -9 1 |
| 08:48.39 | derek6543 | hehe |
| 08:48.57 | deadcat | just burn the HD.. much better |
| 08:49.03 | liable | oh my, the hostility.. |
| 08:49.10 | derek6543 | ya,from you |
| 08:49.39 | deadcat | derek6543: did he poke you? |
| 08:49.41 | spikebike | cool, my upgrade to sarge just finished without incident |
| 08:49.46 | kevix | I wonder if 'kill -9 1' is immoral in some countries?! |
| 08:49.49 | derek6543 | yes he did |
| 08:50.19 | deadcat | derek6543: from behind? gently? |
| 08:50.24 | derek6543 | no lube |
| 08:50.47 | kevix | derek6543: santorium?! |
| 08:50.51 | deadcat | oo.. you gonna feel it in the morning then.. and sounds like you've done this before.. prison? |
| 08:51.01 | derek6543 | haha |
| 08:51.43 | derek6543 | im out |
| 08:53.09 | dbe | which CLI based web browsers is ther except Lynx and Links2? |
| 08:53.44 | deadcat | elinks |
| 08:53.45 | jm_ | elinks, w3m, links |
| 08:53.52 | spikebike | cool, machine should dhclient eth0, static 192.168.1.1 for eth1, and run my ipmasq/nat script when either interface comes up |
| 08:54.00 | deadcat | links3 |
| 08:54.05 | spikebike | named/dhcp seem to be running and working correctly |
| 08:54.15 | jm_ | then there's one for emacs, netrik and probably more |
| 08:54.17 | sparr | are there any standards of popularity or quality for software in debian repositories? |
| 08:55.05 | liable | !popcon |
| 08:55.05 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:55.14 | sparr | thats not what i meant |
| 08:55.21 | deadcat | !porncon |
| 08:55.31 | liable | then explain it better |
| 08:55.32 | deadcat | !poopcon? |
| 08:55.41 | ViViD | is it possible to submit packages to get included into sid? |
| 08:55.42 | liable | !irritate deadcat |
| 08:55.42 | dpkg | deadcat: wenas how can I make my knoppix werkz lol |
| 08:55.48 | sparr | can (will?) software be removed from debian if it is mostly useless, installed by virtually nobody, etc? |
| 08:56.19 | deadcat | dpkg: shutup or i will rape you like a rhino |
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| 08:56.23 | kevix | sparr: mostly if it has bugs that are critial. |
| 08:56.34 | sparr | kevix: yeah, other than that? |
| 08:56.44 | liable | sparr: not as long as its maintained. but i guess it can get veto'd |
| 08:56.45 | themonkeymoo | my interfaces fiel corrently reads auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 08:56.49 | kevix | sparr: the maintainer requests it. |
| 08:57.02 | smee | how can I make vim not to break lines? I've done :set nolinebreak :set nowrap and :set columns=159, and it still breaks lines around 100 column |
| 08:57.18 | noiesmo | i am looking at getting an adaptec scsi card either a 39320 or 29160 to use on debian system for a hp scsi tape drive any recommendations on which card to go for looking at running debian stable as this will be a backup system |
| 08:57.27 | sparr | liable: by whom, and what is the process? |
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| 08:58.14 | sparr | there are some things on the order of "look, my first opengl pong clone!" in games/, and imho those are just a waste of space and time |
| 08:58.28 | liable | sparr: debian-devel would be the place to ask or read the many many docs on policies etc |
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| 08:58.57 | kevix | sparr: when someone makes an ITP it is vetted and silly packages wont get in. |
| 08:59.15 | kevix | sparr: google for hot-babe |
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| 08:59.46 | liable | sparr: and why does that bother you anyway? |
| 09:00.10 | Duke_Nuke | sometimes, when i boot, at X (kde) my fonts are VERY small, sometimes are normal... why? my X (and other) configuration is always the same |
| 09:00.20 | Duke_Nuke | debian sid |
| 09:00.44 | deadcat | Duke_Nuke: because your font packages been upgraded? |
| 09:00.46 | sparr | liable: well, i was crazy enough to install Games/*, and it turns out there are a lot in there that arent worth playing. i dont mean below average quality, i mean things i could code in an hour, that are outclassed in every way by other packages of the same kind of game. |
| 09:01.25 | Duke_Nuke | deadcat, maybe, but even if i mantain the same version of packages i sometimes get a size, sometimes another ecc... |
| 09:01.28 | sparr | liable: its hard to quantify "not worth playing", since that sounds so subjective... im talking about the games that no one but the author has ever intentionally specifically installed, or kept installed for any reason other than the inconvenience of uninstallation |
| 09:01.29 | liable | sparr: and? because you dont like them, you want them removed from the repo? |
| 09:01.33 | sparr | no |
| 09:01.43 | halifax | Duke_Nuke: i had this problem too. then i changed the monitor and then it worked |
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| 09:01.57 | deadcat | ahahha |
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| 09:02.26 | sparr | liable: see above |
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| 09:02.53 | spikebike | does debian have a runlevel editor, or should one just edit the links directly? |
| 09:03.04 | kevix | sparr: there is work to do on the QA team, you can look over packages and see if a package is unsafe, exploitable, obselete.... |
| 09:03.22 | liable | sparr: yes, my question still applies. what do you want done with them? maybe ask on the debian-devel mailing list |
| 09:03.36 | Duke_Nuke | halifax, yes, could be a monitor problem... but i can't change it :) |
| 09:03.46 | kevix | spikebike: there are a few: rc-conf, bum, ... |
| 09:04.03 | liable | !runlevels |
| 09:04.03 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead, |
| 09:04.08 | theycallmebruce | Has anybody here used the GUI Installer? I'm having a little trouble configuring RAID... |
| 09:04.09 | halifax | Duke_Nuke: is it an old monitor? |
| 09:04.14 | liable | !redhat tools |
| 09:04.19 | liable | meh |
| 09:04.44 | Duke_Nuke | halifax, no no, but a new monitor (i would buy an lcd one this time) will cost at least 200Euro |
| 09:04.45 | sparr | liable: i wasnt saying i wanted anything done with them, although to be honest id like to see them removed. my question was if there was anything that could be done with them. |
| 09:04.49 | Duke_Nuke | :) |
| 09:05.10 | themonkeymoo | so apparently eth0 is up, but I keep getting these messages NETDEV WTACHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 09:05.27 | kevix | sparr: if you join debian, you can vote on issues. |
| 09:06.16 | themonkeymoo | followed by eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x41e1 |
| 09:06.16 | sparr | too bad popcon has so few submissions... zero installations out of 10000 samples doesnt really establish that no one installs it... 100000 would be far more statistically significant |
| 09:06.24 | Duke_Nuke | halifax, thanks |
| 09:06.27 | liable | sparr: dunno, what you think sucks, others like.. do you want to see debian reduced to 3000 packages? |
| 09:06.32 | Duke_Nuke | bye |
| 09:06.38 | halifax | Duke_Nuke: np |
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| 09:07.29 | spikebike | hrm, need to get postgres to only listen to localhost |
| 09:07.35 | sparr | liable: how many 0/10000 packages are listed in popcon? id like to see those reduced to their own category so that i can exclude it from my sources. it would save a little disk space and speed up package manipulation a little |
| 09:07.48 | liable | sparr: not having a go at you, but its what makes it all good aving the choice |
| 09:07.48 | sparr | liable: 'category' is probably the wrong word there |
| 09:08.10 | liable | sparr: ask tarzeau about popcon, i know nothing about it. |
| 09:08.34 | sparr | 10k people submit data to popcon. there are a lot of packages that zero of those people use |
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| 09:09.25 | liable | sparr: really, most debian users couldnt care less how popular the packages they use are. |
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| 09:10.21 | kevix | sparr: woody did not generate popcon data and unless you setup popcon on sarge, it wont send data |
| 09:10.28 | liable | sparr: after all, you use it to do what you want, not to be popular. |
| 09:11.14 | sparr | kevix: hmm, i recall using popcon on woody |
| 09:11.15 | spikebike | nmap reports 3141/tcp filtered vmodem |
| 09:11.25 | spikebike | trying to figure out what is listening on 3141 |
| 09:11.37 | kevix | liable: if popcon shows 100 or more users, it definatley means someone depends on it. |
| 09:12.18 | kevix | sparr: my bad. maybe it was that it didn't transmit arch data. |
| 09:13.19 | noiesmo | spikebike, try google port 3141 there is references to vmodem |
| 09:13.57 | spikebike | I know what vmodem is, but I don't think that is what is listening |
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| 09:14.46 | mazzanet | lo |
| 09:15.04 | mazzanet | anyone about running sarge and have cli php? |
| 09:15.44 | noiesmo | spikebike, i didnt say you didnt know what it is i just suggest googling it you might see something in the results that might help you sort the problem |
| 09:16.16 | jm_ | !tell spikebike -about open ports |
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| 09:17.28 | liable | whats netstat say? |
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| 09:18.38 | mazzanet | ok semi confirmed issue |
| 09:18.39 | spikebike | not much |
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| 09:18.46 | mazzanet | any debian developers about? |
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| 09:18.48 | spikebike | nothing mentioning port 3141 |
| 09:19.18 | liable | -plunt |
| 09:20.02 | fireba11 | mazzanet: we might be able to help you if you ask a specific question |
| 09:20.12 | spikebike | netstat -plunt doesn't show anything with port 3141 |
| 09:20.29 | spikebike | I wonder if that's just a ip-masq related open port |
| 09:20.31 | mazzanet | fireba11: need some guinea pigs for more testing |
| 09:20.50 | fireba11 | mazzanet: for thesting what ? |
| 09:20.57 | mazzanet | people running sarge and have cli php handy |
| 09:21.01 | jm_ | conntrack ports are visible in /proc |
| 09:21.06 | mazzanet | need them to run `php -r 'echo date("r", strtotime("next year"))."\n";'` |
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| 09:21.13 | fireba11 | :-) |
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| 09:21.57 | mazzanet | of all the sarge users i've found so far, it reports 2008 |
| 09:22.03 | mazzanet | as being next year |
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| 09:22.15 | mazzanet | only sarge seems to do it |
| 09:22.16 | spikebike | hrm, good enough, the only open ports are ssh, and named |
| 09:22.29 | usn_work | good morning |
| 09:22.39 | fireba11 | mazzanet: hm .. no good ^^ |
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| 09:22.55 | dn3 | does anyone know any cpu benchmark test for debian? i have debian 3.1-sarge under Itanium2 |
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| 09:23.00 | dn3 | Linux debia64 2.4.27-2-itanium-smp #1 SMP Mon May 30 01:54:31 MDT 2005 ia64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:23.04 | spikebike | heh itanium-2 eh? |
| 09:23.13 | dn3 | family : Itanium 2 |
| 09:23.16 | dn3 | arch : IA-64 |
| 09:23.20 | spikebike | I have a dell running linux |
| 09:23.22 | fireba11 | mazzanet: only in cli php i guess ? |
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| 09:23.38 | spikebike | ummm what kind of benchmark? |
| 09:23.47 | spikebike | compiling anything large isn't terrible |
| 09:23.47 | dn3 | i was try bonnie++, stress, dbench, tiobench |
| 09:23.54 | spikebike | stream |
| 09:24.05 | dn3 | spikebike compiling with gcc isnt faster than Xeon :) |
| 09:24.09 | spikebike | for most anything int the it2 is terrible |
| 09:24.39 | dn3 | spikebike, ok i didnt see any difference yet between ia32 and ia64 |
| 09:24.53 | mazzanet | fireba11: cli is easier to test usually |
| 09:25.04 | fireba11 | mazzanet: true |
| 09:25.07 | mazzanet | but the issues occurs with the apache modules too |
| 09:25.18 | fireba11 | mazzanet: will try it then |
| 09:25.43 | mazzanet | <?php echo date("r", strtotime("next year"))."\n"; ?> then |
| 09:25.45 | mazzanet | naturally |
| 09:25.53 | spikebike | if you find a FP code that is cache friendly, branch prediction friendly, the it2 can be mostly competitive (if you ignore the heat and price) |
| 09:26.27 | spikebike | I use mine for central administration... very unlikely to be hacked |
| 09:26.27 | jm_ | mazzanet: says 2008 here |
| 09:26.35 | dondelelcaro | it's not too terribly surprising; the string to time huristics in php are likely fairly craptacular |
| 09:26.54 | spikebike | at least it's rock solid/reliable |
| 09:26.55 | mazzanet | dondelelcaro: it appears to be a sarge issue |
| 09:27.00 | mazzanet | jm_: ta |
| 09:27.07 | jvw | dondelelcaro: it uses strftime or a similar libc function |
| 09:27.09 | fireba11 | mazzanet: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:26:59 +0100 |
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| 09:27.25 | dondelelcaro | hell, even the massive Date::Manip doesn't do a particularly good job either. |
| 09:27.26 | spikebike | I'd trade you a $10k it2 for a $2500 opteron ;-) |
| 09:27.39 | dondelelcaro | jvw: but strftime works the other way iirc... |
| 09:27.46 | jvw | dondelelcaro: I mean strtotime or so |
| 09:27.50 | mazzanet | jvw: hacked up gnu bison actually |
| 09:28.03 | ciroro | Hi, is there a way to find out the max resolution/refresh rate of a video card? With lspci I can identify the card, but I don't know which resolutions it is capable of |
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| 09:28.15 | fireba11 | mazzanet: debian sarge with apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 09:28.27 | mazzanet | sarge is the latest isn't it? |
| 09:28.28 | spikebike | ciroro do you know the make/model? |
| 09:28.31 | fireba11 | mazzanet: have to go for a whole now .. will be back in an hour or two if you need more info |
| 09:28.35 | spikebike | sarge = latest stable |
| 09:28.38 | fireba11 | mazzanet: yes .. fressh updated |
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| 09:28.51 | mazzanet | ok |
| 09:28.55 | ciroro | spikebike: it's a [SiS] 86C326 rev 3c; I googled on that + resolution but also found nothing |
| 09:29.06 | mazzanet | anyone not running sarge? |
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| 09:29.55 | deadcat | mazzanet: no one |
| 09:30.09 | mazzanet | grunt. |
| 09:30.12 | dondelelcaro | jvw: that's kind of funky, cause on sarge, date -d 'next year'; returns the right value |
| 09:30.16 | spikebike | ciroro is that embedded in a laptop/motherboard? |
| 09:30.44 | dondelelcaro | Sat Feb 24 01:30:30 PST 2007 |
| 09:30.52 | mazzanet | curious |
| 09:31.04 | ciroro | spikebike: I have no idea; the computer is located 50 km from here, I want to know if it is a good one before I go to pick it up :) |
| 09:31.14 | ciroro | spikebike: so no laptop, but maybe onboard |
| 09:31.45 | jvw | dondelelcaro: hm, +1 year etc work though |
| 09:31.59 | jvw | dondelelcaro: funky indeed |
| 09:32.01 | spikebike | startx might report soemthing |
| 09:32.10 | spikebike | can't exceed dot clock xyz or something |
| 09:32.30 | spikebike | few things recently can't do 1280x1024 60hz |
| 09:32.49 | spikebike | > 1600x1200 60 hz would be a surprise though, sounds fairly low end |
| 09:33.01 | spikebike | other than that, find a manual for the desktop/hardware/motherboard |
| 09:33.04 | dondelelcaro | jvw: in php? |
| 09:33.10 | ciroro | 60 hz gives me a headacke (it's for my second screen here), so I would be happy with 1024x768 at 75 Hz or something like that |
| 09:33.22 | jvw | dondelelcaro: "+1 year" works in both php and /bin/date |
| 09:33.43 | ciroro | spikebike: xfree86 log reports 4096 kb mem. I'm in business :) |
| 09:33.45 | dondelelcaro | jvw: strange... I wonder what sort of cockamamie thing php is doing with 'next year' |
| 09:34.10 | mazzanet | 'next year' *only* returns 2008 on debian sarge |
| 09:34.20 | mazzanet | every other tested distro/version so far returns 2007 |
| 09:34.25 | mazzanet | it makes no logical sense |
| 09:34.28 | dondelelcaro | mazzanet: only in php; I can't get it to do that with date on sarge. |
| 09:34.34 | mazzanet | ...in php |
| 09:35.31 | dondelelcaro | which makes me rather suspicious of how php has implemented this function... |
| 09:36.05 | spikebike | 4MB seems very likely to manage 1024x768 75hz |
| 09:36.13 | spikebike | maybe even 1152x900 |
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| 09:37.21 | ciroro | yeah, sweet, let the two-monitored Latexing begin :) |
| 09:37.23 | ciroro | tnx |
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| 09:38.23 | foks | hi |
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| 09:39.12 | jvw | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.27 | spikebike | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 400 not upgraded. |
| 09:39.33 | spikebike | ah, a bunch of things are held |
| 09:40.14 | spikebike | !held |
| 09:40.47 | jvw | dondelelcaro: as mazzanet noted, it's indeed self-implemented in php... and as I just quoted, weirdly |
| 09:40.55 | dondelelcaro | jvw: yick |
| 09:41.11 | mazzanet | what intriuges me is why only sarge is doing it |
| 09:41.24 | jvw | mazzanet: possibly a bug specific to the version that happens to be in sarge? |
| 09:41.28 | dondelelcaro | mazzanet: probably because that version of php has that bug, and it was fixed in later versions... |
| 09:41.45 | prodope | how do i add a directory to my PATH permanently? |
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| 09:42.02 | dondelelcaro | prodope: you don't; you set it in your profile so it gets set every time you login. |
| 09:42.06 | jvw | - { "next", tUNUMBER, 2 }, |
| 09:42.06 | jvw | + { "next", tUNUMBER, 1 }, |
| 09:42.09 | twb | Why on earth is kdebase-data in the utils section? |
| 09:42.13 | jvw | (sarge -> sid diff of parsedate.y) |
| 09:42.14 | dondelelcaro | jvw: hehehehe. |
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| 09:42.29 | dondelelcaro | jvw: I think you need to blog that on planet. ;-) |
| 09:42.37 | dondelelcaro | other people need to laugh at that diff. |
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| 09:42.44 | jvw | dondelelcaro: I don't blog... yet |
| 09:42.51 | on1009 | hi all |
| 09:42.57 | [aJ] | Is it a good idea to use alien to convert MySQL 5 rpm to a deb? |
| 09:43.03 | dondelelcaro | jvw: heh. someone needs to blog it! ;-) |
| 09:43.09 | prodope | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 09:43.10 | dondelelcaro | [aJ]: no. |
| 09:43.11 | jvw | dondelelcaro: probably gotta do so, after all, the upcoming 3 weeks I'm supposed to be making publicity for myself :) |
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| 09:43.29 | dondelelcaro | jvw: oh yeah... |
| 09:43.30 | jvw | at least, that's what "campaigning" means I think :_P |
| 09:43.35 | [aJ] | dondelelcaro: :( Ok is ther e a deb available some where? |
| 09:43.51 | dondelelcaro | !info mysql-server |
| 09:43.56 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server (current version)), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.18-8 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 09:43.57 | dondelelcaro | [aJ]: see above. |
| 09:44.12 | dondelelcaro | [aJ]: if you're using sarge, get a backport from backports.org |
| 09:44.56 | dondelelcaro | mazzanet: do you mind if I post that bit of transcript to curiosa or get someone to mention it? |
| 09:45.15 | mazzanet | that was the required effect :P |
| 09:45.24 | mazzanet | what version of php is shipped with sarge by the way? |
| 09:45.31 | [aJ] | dondelelcaro: actually I'm using Ubuntu |
| 09:45.51 | [aJ] | dondelelcaro: Will debian backports run on ubuntu |
| 09:45.58 | kevix | mazzanet: investigate who the upstream source for the package is. |
| 09:46.41 | jvw | mazzanet: http://merkel.debian.org/~jeroen/pdo/php4 |
| 09:46.51 | dondelelcaro | [aJ]: uh... #ubuntu is the place to ask |
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| 09:47.22 | kevix | [aJ]: any debian package will have an unknow result on ubuntu. all debian package are rebuilt in an ubuntu development environemt |
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| 09:48.05 | [aJ] | kevix: ahh |
| 09:48.26 | liable | [aJ]: also read /topic when you join. |
| 09:49.36 | [aJ] | liable: sorry about that...I just heard that ubuntu was based of debian so I assumed that a debian package could run on ubuntu |
| 09:50.04 | liable | [aJ]: no problem, but now you know :) |
| 09:50.08 | kleinlappies | hi everyone |
| 09:50.09 | valdyn | 0.-+ |
| 09:50.23 | memic_ | [aJ] well you can try ;) hehe |
| 09:50.32 | kleinlappies | does anyone know bout bluetooth remote??? |
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| 09:51.04 | mazzanet | dondelelcaro: appears to be a glibc issue |
| 09:51.13 | mazzanet | same thing happens on ubuntu. |
| 09:51.30 | [aJ] | memic_: why not ;) |
| 09:51.33 | mazzanet | with both the shipped 4.3.10 version as well as the latest 5.1.2 version |
| 09:51.37 | jvw | dondelelcaro, mazzanet: http://cvs.php.net/viewcvs.cgi/php-src/ext/standard/parsedate.y?r1=1.30&r2=1.31&pathrev=PHP_4 |
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| 09:52.02 | memic_ | [aJ] i dont know unbuntu but can can get problems with shared libs stuff like that |
| 09:53.09 | [aJ] | memic_: good point |
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| 09:53.27 | [aJ] | memic_: same reason I guess using alien isn't a good idea |
| 09:53.30 | mazzanet | er |
| 09:53.34 | mazzanet | guinea pig's bad |
| 09:53.36 | mazzanet | ubuntu is fine |
| 09:53.49 | memic_ | [aJ] thats the sort of problems you get when you install red hat rpms on suse |
| 09:53.56 | memic_ | %) |
| 09:54.02 | [aJ] | memic_: I learned not to do that :) |
| 09:54.33 | memic_ | [aJ] hehe |
| 09:54.45 | jvw | http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=33013 |
| 09:54.50 | spikebike | well ubuntu and debian are much more closely related than redhat and suse |
| 09:54.50 | jvw | dondelelcaro: it gets even more funny |
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| 09:55.34 | spikebike | but yeah if a package is not for your version of a specific distro you can have problems |
| 09:55.52 | jvw | "As we can't remove it because of BC, "next" will now means "1" from now on" |
| 09:55.59 | jvw | this is a gem |
| 09:56.15 | jvw | dondelelcaro: nvm posting to curiosa, I'm so going to blog about this |
| 09:56.32 | jvw | that sentence is such a paradox |
| 09:56.46 | mazzanet | ok |
| 09:56.51 | mazzanet | someone has been smoking something |
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| 09:57.16 | jvw | (BC == backwards compatibility for those who wonder) |
| 09:57.33 | jvw | so apparantly changing behaviour is BC, but dropping an ambigious word isn't |
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| 09:59.52 | dondelelcaro | jvw: heh |
| 09:59.54 | spuer | hei |
| 09:59.57 | Dazgard | hi |
| 10:00.23 | spuer | how do you activate the .bash_profile in each user directory? |
| 10:00.50 | spuer | I have created ./bash_profile, but it doesn't seem to work. |
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| 10:01.04 | spuer | should I do like this ./bash_profile? |
| 10:01.12 | Dazgard | how can i tell dd to escape xM from a disk image file on the disk (mydisk.img) inorder to inscrease the disk image size please ? |
| 10:01.33 | wols | spuer: ~/.bash_profile is what you want |
| 10:01.40 | spuer | yes |
| 10:02.03 | wols | according what you wrote, you didn't do it |
| 10:02.17 | wols | also, by default,t here already is a .bash_profile after creating the user |
| 10:02.23 | mazzanet | dondelelcaro: can you poke the relevant maintainer of the debain php package and get it updated though |
| 10:02.34 | mazzanet | 4.3.10 is almost 2 years old |
| 10:02.48 | spuer | I created a file ./bash_profile in the directory oracle, and I try to use sqlplus but it said that command not found |
| 10:03.11 | wols | spuer: read what I wrote |
| 10:03.14 | dondelelcaro | mazzanet: uh... unstable has 5. |
| 10:03.21 | wols | a dotfile is different in its filename from a normal file |
| 10:03.27 | dondelelcaro | mazzanet: stable will not get a newer version. |
| 10:03.31 | spuer | how? |
| 10:03.42 | wols | spuer: read how I wrote it carefully |
| 10:03.47 | mazzanet | i see. |
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| 10:06.35 | ootput | deadcat: i can't stand mp3s |
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| 10:07.14 | spuer | what is the difference between /.bash_profile and .bash_profile |
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| 10:07.28 | spuer | I don't get it? |
| 10:07.30 | mazzanet | thanks for the testing y'all. |
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| 10:09.08 | phycho | hey guys |
| 10:09.13 | phycho | cant you move backwards on debian? |
| 10:09.17 | phycho | im trying to downgrade to 'stable' |
| 10:09.22 | phycho | from testing |
| 10:09.24 | wols | spuer: you never wrote about .bash_profile |
| 10:09.30 | phycho | have changed my apt config, updated it |
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| 10:09.34 | spuer | I did |
| 10:09.35 | phycho | and it says theres nothing to upgrade |
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| 10:09.40 | phycho | any ideas? |
| 10:09.40 | wols | and / .bash_profile are a directory and a file, two things |
| 10:09.57 | flart | phycho: do you understand what "upgrade" means? |
| 10:09.58 | spuer | okay |
| 10:10.05 | phycho | flart - yes, it means change versions.. |
| 10:10.16 | phycho | or has in the past.. |
| 10:10.21 | phycho | ive been able to use apt to downgrade before |
| 10:10.24 | flart | no, it means upgrade(!) |
| 10:10.34 | phycho | well ive been able to use it to downgrade before |
| 10:10.37 | phycho | i dont wish to run 'testing' anymore |
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| 10:10.41 | phycho | and want to go back to stable |
| 10:10.53 | wols | phycho: not with apt, you can't. at least it's not supported |
| 10:10.54 | phycho | how would i go about doing it? |
| 10:10.58 | phycho | (without reinstalling) |
| 10:11.00 | phycho | ah. that sucks ass. |
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| 10:11.22 | phycho | reinstall isnt an optio |
| 10:11.24 | phycho | *option |
| 10:11.30 | concept10 | Im about to make a new distro called "Phil Pimper" anyone want to support a open source pimp slapping distro? |
| 10:12.01 | wols | concept10: only if it comes with good looking open source ho's of course |
| 10:12.14 | flart | concept10: oh yeah, a new distro is what the world needs! |
| 10:12.16 | phycho | wols - what do you suggest i do? |
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| 10:12.32 | phycho | the machine a gateway |
| 10:12.35 | phycho | reinstall just isnt an option |
| 10:12.40 | phycho | it means loads of downtime for the lan clients |
| 10:12.56 | concept10 | flart, I want to make the first Linux distro for thugs, not done before |
| 10:12.59 | flart | why are you running testing on a gateway? |
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| 10:13.18 | phycho | flart - any why not? i was trying some things out and wanted the 'latest' packages |
| 10:13.36 | phycho | you dont get those with stable |
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| 10:13.45 | flart | because... ok ;) |
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| 10:14.05 | wols | phycho: you fscked up by running testing on a mission criticial server. now you pay the price |
| 10:14.24 | phycho | haha |
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| 10:14.50 | flart | i dont see the point to have bleeding edge thingies on a gateway |
| 10:14.52 | phycho | there must be a way to do it.. |
| 10:14.55 | phycho | after all, if freebsd can do it |
| 10:14.58 | phycho | debian should be able to |
| 10:15.10 | flart | why? |
| 10:15.15 | ootput | what? downgrade? |
| 10:15.18 | phycho | yeah |
| 10:15.26 | ootput | doesn't it require bulding from source? |
| 10:15.31 | ootput | and all that jazz? |
| 10:15.39 | phycho | flart - because they are on par, both of them are decent distros |
| 10:15.43 | shingouz | ootput: no |
| 10:15.48 | wols | ootput: depends. ports yes, base os no |
| 10:15.49 | phycho | although tbh, if i had the choice, i would stick with freebsd |
| 10:15.54 | ootput | wols: referring to base |
| 10:16.02 | phycho | the only reason i couldnt, was because QoS of freebsd = not that grea.t |
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| 10:23.19 | henk | I am trying to unmount a lvm partition but i'm getting device busy, umount -f does not works and i cannot figure out what is keeping the volume busy. lsof shows nothing and there are no processes running that could be using it afaik. Any thoughts ? |
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| 10:24.06 | jvw | henk: nfs is a typical culprit (won't show up in lsof) |
| 10:24.38 | BLAFD | hey |
| 10:24.47 | henk | JViz, no nvs involved |
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| 10:25.01 | henk | jvw, i mean |
| 10:25.04 | BLAFD | does any one here know why web browsing under X is so slow? |
| 10:25.16 | BLAFD | it seems to follow me arround like a bad shadow over the years |
| 10:25.26 | BLAFD | ive had numerious distros and hardware setups |
| 10:25.27 | nias | henk, try a lazy unmount. (umount -l) |
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| 10:26.04 | BLAFD | in the begening i thought it was just knqueror |
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| 10:26.40 | henk | nias, hmm but if i do a mke2fs and a remount on the same partition wont that create a possible problem ? |
| 10:26.48 | wols | BLAFD: whst X videodriver do you use? |
| 10:27.25 | bitkid_work | I just installed a Debian on a server. After install everything runs nice, except that the kernel is single cpu, so I decided to upgrade it. After that I rebootet. Now when it starts it does not find /dev/sda1 and quits to a shell (ash). What could be the problem? |
| 10:27.47 | BLAFD | my machine is a Athlon 64 3000+, 512mb of DDR-400, 60GB ATA133 8MB drive, 256MB Geforce fx5500, the Xserver is using the nvidia driver from the nvidia website |
| 10:28.19 | flart | maybe pebkac? |
| 10:28.53 | nias | henk, don't know why this could be a problem. |
| 10:29.01 | BLAFD | apart from that X does rocket along though |
| 10:29.30 | flart | bitkid_work: no hd-controller-driver? |
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| 10:29.43 | bitkid_work | flart: that might be it |
| 10:30.06 | flart | bitkid_work: or some other driver is missing |
| 10:30.30 | bitkid_work | flart: during the upgrade it also changed to udev. Could that be it? |
| 10:30.58 | flart | bitkid_work: what _exactly_ has been upgraded? |
| 10:31.30 | flart | BLAFD: i don't really understand what X has to do with web-browsing |
| 10:32.12 | BLAFD | i duno.. links/lynx are unaffected |
| 10:32.16 | henk | nias, if something is keeping the link to that volume open for write it could be maybe. |
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| 10:32.42 | bitkid_work | flart: I'm not sure. I did an "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-smp" and it installed 5-10 other things aswell. Only thing I noticed was udev. |
| 10:32.52 | mazzanet | jvw and dondelelcaro: documented this oddity --> http://cvs.php.net/viewcvs.cgi/phpdoc/en/reference/datetime/functions/strtotime.xml?r1=1.18 |
| 10:33.06 | flart | bitkid_work: you really want apt-listchanges for the future :) |
| 10:33.09 | BLAFD | Hey im not expect but the rest of the software under the X server seems to run in a more that acceptable fashion speed wise. |
| 10:33.21 | BLAFD | more than* |
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| 10:33.25 | flo | what's the URL of the page where one can download .debs after they've dropped out of the archive (ie, every version of a .deb) |
| 10:33.25 | bitkid_work | flart: ok :) Thanks for that :) |
| 10:33.28 | kkip | halo |
| 10:33.45 | jvw | mazzanet: rasmus changed it 1 -> 2 in an earlier commit, it wasn't "2" forever |
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| 10:33.55 | liable | flo: was p.d.o, /topic |
| 10:33.57 | flart | bitkid_work: anyway, check your drivers and stuff would be a good starting point |
| 10:34.01 | bitkid_work | flart: but do you have any idea of how to help me fix this? I can still boot the old kernel and the system works fine when I do |
| 10:34.15 | mazzanet | jvw: if you're using a version that old you have issues :) |
| 10:34.21 | flart | maybe boot some live-cd and see whats different.... and so on |
| 10:34.46 | flart | and maybe you want to compile your own kernel at all ;) |
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| 10:34.53 | jvw | mazzanet: btw, are you involved as php dev too, or just documentation? |
| 10:35.04 | mazzanet | mostly docs and www |
| 10:35.07 | flo | liable: no, that's what's in the archive. I mean things that have been superseded by a newer version. It's something.jp, but I can't come up with the right keywords for google... |
| 10:35.10 | bitkid_work | flart: I was kinda hoping I wouldn't have to |
| 10:35.11 | sparr | how can i make apt-get stop warning me about unauthenticated packages and missing public keys? |
| 10:35.11 | liable | bitkid_work: what kernel did you have and what did you install? |
| 10:35.24 | liable | spantiga: /topic |
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| 10:35.26 | mazzanet | though i can get small core stuff worked on |
| 10:35.27 | liable | err |
| 10:35.29 | bitkid_work | liable: I had 2.6.8 and installed 2.6.15 |
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| 10:35.37 | liable | sparr: /topic |
| 10:35.38 | jvw | mazzanet: I'm quite out of php for like 5 years now, used to do some small dev stuff & docs |
| 10:35.38 | nias | henk, i think this filehandles are not valid after completion of lazy unmount. but i'm not an expert on this topic. if unsure search at first for safer ways. until now i have used lazy unmount without problems. |
| 10:35.45 | flart | bitkid_work: what? build your own kernel? |
| 10:35.55 | bitkid_work | flart: yes |
| 10:36.01 | jvw | mazzanet: but with the advent and design process of php5, and some disagreements, I gave up and left |
| 10:36.12 | liable | bitkid_work: you compiled your own? |
| 10:36.34 | flart | bitkid_work: you don't have to. but a custom-kernel really has its benefits :) |
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| 10:37.04 | henk | nias, ok thanks |
| 10:37.11 | liable | billatq_: you lose, learn how to do it properly. |
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| 10:37.36 | mazzanet | jvw: php group smoke too much crack at times |
| 10:37.39 | jvw | mazzanet: esp. the inconsistent applying of BC and lack of interface/function spec design was driving me off |
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| 10:37.47 | mazzanet | heck, php6 is being released soon |
| 10:37.49 | bitkid_work | liable: no, I used the one that apt-get installed when I gave it kernel-image-2.6-smp as package to install |
| 10:37.53 | jvw | mazzanet: *blink* |
| 10:38.02 | mazzanet | yup. |
| 10:38.07 | BLAFD | hmm.. actually upoun trying firefox again it seems alot better |
| 10:38.22 | dondelelcaro | good grief |
| 10:38.23 | bitkid_work | flart: yeah I know, but I only have 3 days left at this job (including this one) so I would love if it would be easy :) |
| 10:38.32 | jvw | mazzanet: php5 already suffered from huge feature creep when it was just at the design table back in 2000 or so |
| 10:38.48 | mazzanet | jvw: heh your cvs account is still active |
| 10:38.57 | jvw | mazzanet: well, I don't think I can commit anywhere |
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| 10:39.03 | jvw | mazzanet: didn't really check though |
| 10:39.15 | liable | bitkid_work: so going from 2.6.8 to 2.6.15 loses sda? |
| 10:39.16 | sparr | liable: /topic |
| 10:39.22 | bitkid_work | liable: yeah |
| 10:39.24 | jvw | mazzanet: I still get a lot of mail^Wspam at jeroen@php.net :) |
| 10:39.25 | liable | sparr: ? |
| 10:39.31 | mazzanet | heh |
| 10:39.40 | flart | bitkid_work: it's ok to not compile your own ;) |
| 10:39.43 | kdean06 | I have a question, but i'm not sure if it belongs here or in ##mac. The server I have been setting up is now live (kinda). I changed over my e-mail settings from 192.168.2.10 (location of my previous server) to 192.168.2.145 (my new server). Using Thunderbird, I can send and recieve mail on my new server... |
| 10:39.53 | kdean06 | However, on my wife's computer, a mac running OS X, I ca nrecieve mail but not send it. I get a "Relay Access Denied" error. Both computers are in my network. Any idea why I can't send? |
| 10:40.00 | bitkid_work | liable: but as flart says, it might be the driver for the scsi-controller that has gone missing |
| 10:40.09 | kdean06 | Furthermore, using Dovecot and Postfix as my mail software on the server. |
| 10:40.18 | flart | bitkid_work: as i said: check the drivers, maybe boot some live-cd an look at the differences |
| 10:40.28 | sparr | liable: im not talking about official repositories, ive got that key already |
| 10:40.43 | liable | bitkid_work: hrm, i fail to see how a scsi has reverted to anything else, but anyways, its a possibilty |
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| 10:41.08 | BLAFD | hm |
| 10:41.12 | liable | sparr: then ask the repository master of that repo for a key. |
| 10:41.24 | sparr | liable: or i can just ask you guys how to turn off the warning |
| 10:41.30 | BLAFD | what do you guys recommend for a streaming audio ? |
| 10:41.33 | liable | sparr: you cant |
| 10:41.33 | bitkid_work | flart: I can still boot the machine with the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 10:41.44 | liable | sparr: as far as i know anyway.. |
| 10:41.47 | BLAFD | with a niceish front end if its possible ;) |
| 10:41.47 | sparr | liable: i disagree, and im tempted to patch it myself |
| 10:41.55 | sparr | BLAFD: server or client? |
| 10:41.59 | liable | sparr: then do so. |
| 10:41.59 | BLAFD | server |
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| 10:42.39 | liable | sparr: if you want to mess with apts security feature.. then go for it.. |
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| 10:43.01 | RichiH | what package contains xv, again? |
| 10:43.11 | liable | i would rather put up with it bitching than breaking the code.. |
| 10:43.37 | flart | bitkid_work: good boy :) so check whats different |
| 10:44.01 | wols | kdean06: check #postfix |
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| 10:44.25 | kdean06 | wols, Thanks. |
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| 10:46.46 | liable | bitkid_work: so this is a server, why has it got a 2.6.15 kernel? what /devs are there when it boots? |
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| 10:47.12 | liable | bitkid_work: whats wrong with the 2.6.8-smp kernel? |
| 10:48.09 | liable | BLAFD: you want to serve streams? |
| 10:48.17 | wols | bitkid_work: 2.6.16 is not out yet. please don't run "CVS versions" of the kernel on a server |
| 10:50.03 | liable | RichiH: whats xv do? |
| 10:51.26 | Silent_al | !xv |
| 10:51.26 | dpkg | xv is probably at http://www.trilon.com/xv/index.html or http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=xv%24 - very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails. Also, the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed), ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick |
| 10:51.39 | bitkid_work | liable: when I try to install 2.6.8-smp it gives me this: E: Package kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp has no installation candidate |
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| 10:52.15 | wols | bitkid_work: apt-cache search 2.6.8|grep smp |
| 10:52.23 | liable | bitkid_work: because you no longer run sarge? |
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| 10:53.00 | liable | bitkid_work: if you can install a 2.6.15 kernel you arent running stable.. |
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| 10:53.13 | bitkid_work | nope I'm not |
| 10:53.31 | crypt_ex | man I got 4.7gb dvds and I can only burn up to 4.4gb according to k3b.Anyway I can extend this by 100Mb at all? |
| 10:53.34 | bitkid_work | I'm running testing |
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| 10:54.15 | bitkid_work | wols: Ndiswrapper linux kernel module |
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| 10:54.52 | liable | bitkid_work: read the changelog for the smp kernel for scsi changes. i cant see why it wont find sda |
| 10:54.53 | jm_ | it's 4700000000 bytes or 4.4G or 448xMB (x=3 for +, 9 for -) |
| 10:55.09 | bitkid_work | liable: me neither |
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| 10:55.55 | BLAFD | liable yea |
| 10:55.57 | jm_ | 4.4G is approximate number I guess |
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| 10:56.05 | BLAFD | i just want to server 1 audio stream to a winamp client |
| 10:56.12 | BLAFD | the best possible quality |
| 10:56.18 | BLAFD | winamp client/whatever |
| 10:56.29 | basanta | is the wireless module enabled in kernel 2.6.12? |
| 10:56.33 | liable | BLAFD: streamripper can rip and act as a server. |
| 10:56.41 | nn | I'd like to reinstall my system without having to select the packages i need manually. could you tell me how to restore the list of currently installed packages after reinstall? |
| 10:56.58 | BLAFD | ok .. my input source will be my linein |
| 10:57.07 | RichiH | Silent_al: that explains it.. i found a different, free one :) |
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| 10:57.51 | liable | BLAFD: oh, erm, try icecast then. i dont think streamripper can do that |
| 10:59.21 | BLAFD | hm can streamripper listen to another stream and forward it sort of thing ? |
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| 11:00.21 | liable | BLAFD: it can relay, yes. |
| 11:01.20 | BLAFD | cool thanks for your advice |
| 11:01.32 | mazzanet | jvw: nup, you don't have commit access to anything anymore :P |
| 11:01.37 | jm_ | nn: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 11:01.44 | BLAFD | hm |
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| 11:01.55 | BLAFD | is there a package for ice cast in debian? |
| 11:02.11 | BLAFD | lets see |
| 11:02.12 | BLAFD | hehe |
| 11:02.24 | liable | !+info icecast-server |
| 11:02.27 | dpkg | icecast-server: (MPEG Layer III Streaming Server), section sound, is optional. Version: 1:1.3.12-14 (sid), Packaged size: 178 kB, Installed size: 716 kB |
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| 11:02.43 | mazzanet | !+info php |
| 11:02.44 | dpkg | Package 'php' does not exist. |
| 11:02.53 | BLAFD | man debian is so pro |
| 11:02.55 | BLAFD | ;) |
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| 11:03.50 | mazzanet | !+info libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 11:03.53 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2.0 module)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.4.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1560 kB, Installed size: 3148 kB |
| 11:04.57 | TipTap | hey i was wondering if i have say web1/web2 -> db1 / db2 what utility would be the best for monitoring bandwidth between them? |
| 11:05.00 | possie | how can i block all mail that is sent via my smtp server to the domain aol.com ? |
| 11:05.30 | BLAFD | hmm |
| 11:05.33 | epsilon | php4, not php |
| 11:05.51 | wols_ | TipTap: ipac-ng |
| 11:06.18 | BLAFD | the icecast ncurses thingy should mention that readme.debian is located in the kernel source |
| 11:06.27 | TipTap | thanks wols |
| 11:06.33 | TipTap | wols_, even |
| 11:06.38 | mazzanet | !+info php4 |
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| 11:06.44 | dpkg | php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.4.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 11:06.45 | wols_ | I'm the same guy. stupid timeouts grmbl |
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| 11:06.46 | wols_ | :) |
| 11:06.53 | mazzanet | blergh. |
| 11:06.55 | BLAFD | er no its not |
| 11:07.01 | BLAFD | pesky whereis telling lies |
| 11:07.19 | jm_ | perhaps you should consult dpkg then |
| 11:07.28 | wols_ | possie: you don't want your users to send mail to aol? why? |
| 11:07.42 | liable | !aol |
| 11:07.43 | dpkg | i guess aol is for people who dont know the highway from the driveway, or army of losers. They are teaming up with Sony to fight |
| 11:07.46 | jm_ | or list files in the package |
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| 11:08.04 | jm_ | the README.Debian is located in standard directory as far as I can see |
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| 11:08.25 | wols_ | liable: doesn't mean one shouldn't send mail to ridicule them |
| 11:08.35 | liable | hehe |
| 11:08.47 | possie | wols_, well my mailserver is sending tons of mails to aol at the moment (spam) but i can't figure out why my server is relaying this |
| 11:09.03 | possie | wols_, so as a temp fix i would like to block all mail going to aol.com |
| 11:09.11 | ekkikrist | Perhaps in retaliation for aol's secret blocking policies |
| 11:09.13 | liable | or stop relaying.. |
| 11:09.20 | wols_ | possie: stop your mailserver right now and learn how to configure it |
| 11:09.36 | liable | exactly |
| 11:09.37 | wols_ | and open relay isn't fixed by disallowing mails to aol! |
| 11:09.50 | nn | jm_: i understand the 2nd solution that involves --set-selections, but what is the advantage of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install"? |
| 11:09.57 | wols_ | possie: the temp fix is to stop the mailserver. what MTA do you use? |
| 11:09.58 | possie | wols_, it's not configged to relay other then localhost, probably someone is abusing a php script on that server to insert mails |
| 11:10.06 | possie | wols_, qmail |
| 11:10.27 | BLAFD | sweetness |
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| 11:10.35 | wols_ | possie: if they send to aol, they can just as well send to foo.com |
| 11:10.51 | ekkikrist | possie: Try using tcpdump to figure out which script is being abused and remove it. |
| 11:10.53 | CaT[tm] | anyone know of a utility which would diff two dirs, telling you which files differed and which were missing? |
| 11:11.12 | possie | wols_, i know, but currently i would like to block it so my mailserver don't have to but thousands of messages in the queue |
| 11:11.20 | liable | aol users are more than likely in need of v1Agr4 more than anyone else.. :P |
| 11:11.23 | wols_ | nullroute AOL in /etc/hosts |
| 11:11.41 | possie | ekkikrist, how could ik figure out which script is abusing it? with tcpdump i just see thatlocalhost inserts a message |
| 11:12.08 | ekkikrist | possie: Examine incoming http traffic. |
| 11:12.21 | wols_ | does your php use sendmail or direct port 25 connections? |
| 11:12.51 | ekkikrist | Yeah they almost always use sendmail wrapper. chmod 000 /var/qmail/bin/sendmail is a quick fix. |
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| 11:13.13 | liable | possie: erm, are you sure it listens on localhost? whats netstat say? |
| 11:13.26 | Tenkawa | does debian stable have install support for the forcedeth driver? |
| 11:13.41 | possie | wols: hmm i dont' know if it's using a wrapper let me check php.ini |
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| 11:14.10 | Terat0gen | wapper! |
| 11:14.13 | possie | liable, smtp is listing on 0.0.0.0 |
| 11:14.15 | Tenkawa | because the current testing snapshot was missing a lot of modules it appeared |
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| 11:14.32 | liable | possie: thats *any* iface |
| 11:15.07 | jm_ | Tenkawa: yes |
| 11:15.16 | liable | possie: so, reconfigure it.. |
| 11:15.19 | Tenkawa | cool thanks |
| 11:15.21 | wols_ | Tenkawa: with kernel 2.6 yes. with 2.4 no IIRC |
| 11:15.34 | Tenkawa | nod.. I thought so but wasnt sure |
| 11:15.38 | jm_ | kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686: lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/forcedeth.o |
| 11:15.41 | Tenkawa | thanks again |
| 11:15.50 | Tenkawa | thats from sarge right? |
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| 11:16.34 | wols_ | possie: do what ekkikrist said if you use the sendmail wrapper and leave the interfaces alone |
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| 11:18.11 | possie | wols_, will it be able to devliver (valid) mail when i chmod 000 /var/qmail/bin/sendmail ? |
| 11:18.21 | ekkikrist | no, don't worry about that |
| 11:18.32 | possie | ekkikrist, no? |
| 11:18.34 | wols_ | yes. it's just a wrapper. qmail only uses it for backwards compatibility |
| 11:18.36 | ekkikrist | you have to find the script and remove it first. then qmail-remove all the crap out of your queue. |
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| 11:18.58 | wols_ | it's only for old software that wants to send mail |
| 11:19.10 | wols_ | ekkikrist: why doesn't have qmail a /usr/sbin/sendmail ? |
| 11:19.29 | ekkikrist | it's a link to /var/qmail/bin/sendmail |
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| 11:19.44 | wols_ | ah yes, the stupidness that is sendmail file layout :) |
| 11:20.03 | ekkikrist | yeah. it's a qmail thing :) |
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| 11:20.22 | wols_ | erm, s/sendmail/qmail of course |
| 11:20.29 | wols_ | not to imply that sendmail is less braindead :P |
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| 11:24.19 | RolandU | hi all! I am trying to change Mozilla Calendar's Time&Date-Format. It does not seem to use the KDE- or GNOME-Settings. Any idea? |
| 11:25.48 | possie | ekkikrist, okee i captured a lot of http traffic, hope i can find the bastards inserting the mail :-) |
| 11:26.23 | ekkikrist | Pull it up in ethereal and find aol...then backtrace the connection to find the GET request. |
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| 11:27.11 | Madeye | guys, I have build-in bluetooth, any idea how to turn it on? actually it works fine but if I enable it from windows and then boot to debian , cant I now turn the device on from linux >? |
| 11:27.38 | wols_ | depends on the chipset and all |
| 11:27.44 | wols_ | look at that then go to google |
| 11:28.08 | Madeye | wols_, but it works just fine if I turn it On from XP and then boot to debian |
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| 11:28.38 | Madeye | wols_, in other words Debian can see it and send/rec when its on, means its supported in way or another and I just have to find how to turn it on |
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| 11:29.08 | liable | !seen bob2 |
| 11:29.09 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 72d 4h 23m 51s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 11:29.48 | jm_ | what happened to him? |
| 11:29.48 | liable | dunno |
| 11:30.19 | liable | must have met a nice girl :) |
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| 11:31.38 | trailblazer | hi s there people here |
| 11:31.59 | liable | not really, we're all bots. |
| 11:32.32 | Ronin | exterminate |
| 11:32.58 | wols_ | speak for yourself. I'm an expensive AI experiment at the university of wagadougou |
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| 11:34.44 | liable | shame, he was a good op and a wealth of knowledge.. |
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| 11:35.12 | nukeu666 | help...after a cmop crash the -h switch for ls isnt working....using locate is giving "[5]+ Stopped locate mbox" comes...alo seems all spool folders are missing |
| 11:35.51 | HazyNRG | hi, how can use top w/o seeing PIDs ? (in fact, justs tasks, cpu, ram & swap) |
| 11:36.04 | HazyNRG | s/justs/just |
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| 11:37.15 | bbrazil | HazyNRG: man top - answer should be there |
| 11:37.25 | jm_ | HazyNRG: use htop |
| 11:38.11 | HazyNRG | yes, i tried top -p0 but still showing 1 pid (top) |
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| 11:38.24 | HazyNRG | jm_: thanks |
| 11:39.23 | jm_ | f key in top ... |
| 11:39.32 | liable | haha, debian-san .. name=fred i find it amusing anyway.. |
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| 11:41.13 | bbrazil | HazyNRG: ah, I see what you want now. 'free' is memory, /proc/stat should have the rest |
| 11:42.08 | HazyNRG | err |
| 11:42.30 | HazyNRG | not really "interactive" |
| 11:42.52 | liable | wtf is wrong with top and seeing pid's anyway? |
| 11:42.56 | slapin | Hi, all!!! I worked with CVS tree for a long time without commits, and many files were added. Is it possible to add them automatically or distinguish which are missing and add them? |
| 11:43.03 | HazyNRG | bbl, gonna eating |
| 11:43.31 | kinneh | anybody using bind9 and recursive "no" with debian unstable ? |
| 11:43.37 | possie | ekkikrist, i find packets with the content: http://pastebin.com/570070 |
| 11:43.38 | bbrazil | slapin: cvs -nq up <-- will list changes |
| 11:43.42 | liable | slapin: err, debian doesnt really do cvs.. |
| 11:43.53 | possie | ekkikrist, does that seem to be bad stuff? |
| 11:44.05 | kinneh | I cant get it to allow-recursion { localhosts; }; |
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| 11:44.44 | debian-san | liable, Do I know you? Do you know me? |
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| 11:45.32 | liable | debian-san: no, i wasnt making fun of you, just found it funny that you were from .jp and your n=fred :) |
| 11:46.06 | polopolo | Hello |
| 11:46.17 | debian-san | liable, Ok. I.m called fureddo here. |
| 11:46.27 | polopolo | How must I update from stable to test? |
| 11:47.34 | liable | debian-san: ah. sorry, small things amuse small minds i guess :) |
| 11:48.10 | slapin | bbrazil: is it possible to find which files I forgot to 'cvs add'? |
| 11:49.03 | bbrazil | slapin: they should be listed with a N by the above acommand |
| 11:49.20 | crypt_ex | Does anyone know of dvd optimiser software, so I can get the most out of a dvd burn with lots files? |
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| 11:50.20 | falsedef | Is there an easy (appropriate) way to have a folder be automatically synchronized (datawise, with two distinct copies) to another folder, like raid? |
| 11:50.51 | liable | rsync? |
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| 11:51.14 | wols_ | falsedef: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ |
| 11:51.16 | liable | crypt_ex: what do you want? |
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| 11:51.53 | wols_ | falsedef: unison is in debian btw |
| 11:52.31 | polopolo | How must I update from stable to test? |
| 11:52.49 | wols_ | edit your sources.list, then update and dist-upgrade |
| 11:52.57 | liable | polopolo: you change your sources list. |
| 11:53.03 | liable | !reference |
| 11:53.04 | dpkg | from memory, reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
| 11:53.10 | liable | polopolo: ^^ |
| 11:53.11 | crypt_ex | liable, its just a general question, I have lots of files all in varied sizes and I want to utilise the burning of these so, that I dont have mbs of space left. |
| 11:53.22 | falsedef | Thanks, wols, liable. |
| 11:53.45 | crypt_ex | liable, I am downloading something for win in vmware at the mo...but was just curious if any of you guys know something for nix? |
| 11:54.01 | wols_ | crypt_ex: it doesn't make sense |
| 11:54.13 | jes-o-mat | Hi |
| 11:54.16 | wols_ | no matter how or where you put a file on a filesystem, it always takes the same amount of space |
| 11:54.17 | liable | crypt_ex: for burning dvd's? i still am not sure what exactly you want to do. |
| 11:54.20 | wols_ | or at least it should |
| 11:54.30 | wols_ | ther eis nothing to "optimize" |
| 11:55.04 | crypt_ex | wols_, geez I gotta catch up my english some time |
| 11:55.12 | liable | crypt_ex: if you want to make dvd's in debian, growisofs |
| 11:55.15 | jes-o-mat | I'd like to rebuild kernel-*-2.6* packages for i386/sarge with different config, but for all marches like k7, 686 and so on |
| 11:55.32 | jes-o-mat | which source package do I need to fetch and modify? |
| 11:55.33 | wols_ | jes-o-mat: use kernel-package |
| 11:55.43 | liable | jes-o-mat: theres images for those procs |
| 11:55.46 | wols_ | to fetch: any kernel-source one |
| 11:56.18 | liable | jes-o-mat: the i386 image covers all of em.. |
| 11:56.47 | crypt_ex | Dont worry, thanks anyways....but just for completeness.... Lets say I got 9Gb of files, and I want them placed on 2 DVDs, I know this can be done, but knowing which files. Whenever I try it, it takes me onto a 3 dvd burn rather than 2. |
| 11:57.21 | jes-o-mat | kernel-source-2.6.8 <- this for fetching, but how should/could I modify this to build different -image, -headers for the different CPUs? |
| 11:57.29 | ViViD | how do i add a new language to my installation? when i run dpkg-reconfigure locales, it just reloads what's already installed |
| 11:57.40 | wols_ | jes-o-mat: make menuconfig |
| 11:57.46 | wols_ | and use kernel-package to build the packages |
| 11:57.56 | fluxdude | i can't get vsftpd to do ssl... it starts up fine and cert is in config as is ssl_enalbe=YES but it still only listens on port 21 |
| 11:58.03 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 11:58.13 | Mazingaro | is there anyone playing quake 4 on linux? |
| 11:58.24 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 11:58.24 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 11:59.09 | jes-o-mat | wols_ this is what I'm doing right now. I copied /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686-smp to .config, made my modifications and now I'm builing via make-kpkg |
| 11:59.41 | jes-o-mat | but how to (automate) building of different .config files? |
| 11:59.58 | Mazingaro | ok |
| 12:00.10 | wols_ | script it (perl, python, bash). just write to .config directly. it's a text file |
| 12:00.16 | wols_ | then run make-kpkg |
| 12:00.16 | Mazingaro | where I can find the *.pk files to play quake4 on linux??? |
| 12:00.29 | Mazingaro | *.pk/*.pak |
| 12:00.38 | jes-o-mat | Mazingaro: on the quake4 dvd/cd |
| 12:00.40 | wols_ | Mazingaro: pk files are map files. you have to buy quake4 to get them I'd say |
| 12:00.48 | liable | jes-o-mat: you bild the kernel, then you change the .config with make menuconfig, but why? when debian has all these kernels anyway? |
| 12:00.52 | wols_ | they are on the CD/DVD you bought |
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| 12:01.05 | Mazingaro | wols_: I've got it, but there are only cab files on it |
| 12:01.09 | wols_ | liable: maybe he wants to change something else too |
| 12:01.16 | jes-o-mat | liable: 'cause I've made changes to that .config file |
| 12:01.20 | nn | pak files are 100% os independant |
| 12:01.22 | slapin | bbrazil: Thank you! They are under '?'! |
| 12:01.40 | Mazingaro | jes-o-mat: there are only .cab files on the dvd |
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| 12:01.54 | liable | jes-o-mat: build the kernel, then make menuconfig, if you dont understand it, why are you doing it? |
| 12:01.54 | Lorvija | hey, is there manual which helps in connecting debian&windows box to each other? |
| 12:02.06 | nn | Lorvija: samba howto? |
| 12:02.21 | jes-o-mat | Mazingaro: maybe they are inside of the cabinet archives? |
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| 12:02.26 | liable | wols_: he's talking about cpu optimisation, which the debian kernels pretty much cover.. |
| 12:02.32 | Lorvija | nn no.. sorry i was unclear.. i mean connect with ethernet cable (: |
| 12:02.39 | Lorvija | nn i got already samba runnin |
| 12:02.47 | Mazingaro | jes-o-mat: ok, how can I extract them? |
| 12:03.01 | liable | !cab-extract |
| 12:03.10 | wols_ | Mazingaro: unshield - extracts CAB files from InstallShield installers |
| 12:03.15 | jes-o-mat | Mazingaro: I'm not sure if there's a program for linux |
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| 12:03.28 | nn | Lorvija: i don't get what you are looking for |
| 12:04.02 | Lorvija | nn so that i could plug normal ethernet cable to debian box & windows box and they could then communicate with each other in LAN.. so faster than through web.. |
| 12:04.02 | wols_ | Lorvija: do you have a switch or direct connection? |
| 12:04.17 | Mazingaro | jes-o-mat: I haven't windows on mymachines |
| 12:04.20 | jes-o-mat | liable: I'd like to remove some drivers from .config and rebuild the images with different CPU optimizations again |
| 12:04.28 | Lorvija | wols_ i already got firewall but it sucks so much that it limits speeds under 4mb/s... |
| 12:04.44 | wols_ | Lorvija: answer my question. do you want a direct connection or via switch? |
| 12:04.50 | Lorvija | wols_ i mean switch/firewall combo |
| 12:04.56 | Lorvija | wols_ direct |
| 12:04.57 | nn | Lorvija: i don't think there's a howto on that specific issue |
| 12:04.59 | liable | jes-o-mat: sure, so, just run make menuconfig and build the kernel again saving it as a different named kernel.. |
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| 12:05.08 | wols_ | Lorvija: then you need a crossover cable. normal cables will not work |
| 12:05.12 | nn | Lorvija: all you need is a ethernet link and drivers for the hardware on both OS |
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| 12:05.33 | jes-o-mat | liable: But I was asking if there is any automated mechanism avail. |
| 12:05.43 | Lorvija | wols_ okay... how can i see what cable is what? (i got way too much of them..) |
| 12:05.50 | wols_ | jes-o-mat: no there isn't |
| 12:05.53 | jes-o-mat | <f'wols_> Mazingaro: unshield - extracts CAB files from InstallShield installers |
| 12:06.04 | wols_ | Lorvija: you don't. except perhaps with trial and error |
| 12:06.04 | liable | jes-o-mat: to what? no, you need to choose the shit you want in a kernel. |
| 12:06.20 | Lorvija | wols_ argh :P okay ty.. gotta see if i can find the right one |
| 12:06.28 | Mazingaro | jes-o-mat: ok found |
| 12:06.29 | wols_ | set both linux and windows on the same subnet, try to ping each other witht he cable. if it works fine, if not: next cable to try |
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| 12:06.54 | Lorvija | wols_ okay, how do i change eth1 settings? |
| 12:07.02 | nn | ifconfig eth0 |
| 12:07.03 | liable | jes-o-mat: but once you run make menuconfig, then kpkg will build the kernel. dude. dont mess with kernel compiles if you havent even bothered to research it a bit. |
| 12:07.10 | wols_ | vi /etc/network/interfaces; /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 12:07.11 | Lorvija | nn thank you |
| 12:07.16 | Lorvija | wols_ okay thanks |
| 12:07.18 | nn | s/eth0/eth1/ |
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| 12:08.03 | nn | i've never seen someone who manages to set samba before ethernet =) |
| 12:08.05 | wily_ | hi all guys! |
| 12:08.18 | wily_ | i've a little problem mounting filesystem |
| 12:08.34 | wily_ | kernel return an error: 32 and 96 |
| 12:08.37 | wily_ | what is it? |
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| 12:08.54 | wols_ | nn: he already uses it via his hardware router (acting as switch). he thinks it will go faster when he does a direct connection. I'm skeptical but he can try |
| 12:09.13 | liable | zzzzt |
| 12:09.17 | xulf | you tell him fire! you tell him |
| 12:09.21 | jes-o-mat | liable: the point is that the different .config files provided by debian are not really different - just different cpu optimization. I want to change an option for all of these similar looking config files and build them and I was just asking if this might be somehow automated. |
| 12:09.39 | fireba11 | xulf: :-) it's not that simple because it's an old building ... |
| 12:09.56 | nn | wols_: i get it |
| 12:10.04 | jes-o-mat | A simple 'No' would have been sufficient |
| 12:10.15 | wily_ | anyone can help me? |
| 12:10.25 | nn | wols_: but i am also pretty sure there will be no performance improvement |
| 12:10.28 | liable | jes-o-mat: i misunderstand you then. you want to do exactly what? please be specific. |
| 12:11.09 | jes-o-mat | I just want to remove bttv and bt878 for all those images |
| 12:11.28 | wols_ | isn't bttv a module? |
| 12:11.31 | wols_ | so why bother? |
| 12:11.54 | airox | Anybody knows something that counter effects the effect of caffeine ? |
| 12:11.56 | airox | :) |
| 12:12.08 | liable | jes-o-mat: no, you need to use make menuconfig, (you shouldnt edit .configs by hand) |
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| 12:12.35 | jes-o-mat | I am using make menuconfig |
| 12:12.44 | wols_ | airox: valium |
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| 12:12.52 | liable | so just say 'n' |
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| 12:13.47 | liable | jes-o-mat: may i ask why you are doing this? |
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| 12:14.56 | liable | if you want automated then ask in #bash (though, as i said, you shouldnt hand edit them) |
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| 12:16.09 | jes-o-mat | liable: for running an Osprey 230 from Viewcast |
| 12:16.40 | jes-o-mat | this needs an special module which conflicts if one of the above is loaded |
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| 12:20.13 | Varanger | I have installed x-window-system but it is bad-configured |
| 12:20.28 | Varanger | how can I re-configure it with dpkg ? |
| 12:20.54 | jm_ | !drxx Varanger |
| 12:20.54 | dpkg | Varanger: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:21.01 | bobbens | !drxx |
| 12:21.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 12:21.35 | Varanger | jm_ thanks |
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| 12:23.34 | Varanger | jm_: Now X is working with root... not with other users!! why? |
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| 12:23.37 | liable | jes-o-mat: but why do you need to modify for several cpu's? |
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| 12:24.19 | leOn | howdy |
| 12:24.25 | jes-o-mat | liable: 'cause I have different boxes to run this on |
| 12:24.48 | jes-o-mat | maybe this will also be part of an commercial product |
| 12:25.10 | jm_ | Varanger: check the output of startx, it will tell you why, probably some shit with permissions |
| 12:25.16 | liable | jes-o-mat: you could have done it by now. |
| 12:25.32 | Varanger | jm_: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 12:25.40 | leOn | anyone knows of some php or cgi script that can be put in a webserver so anyone can check if they're using a proxy? ... kinda like www.whatismyproxy.com .. ? |
| 12:25.43 | jm_ | Varanger: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 12:25.58 | jes-o-mat | liable: ? |
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| 12:26.08 | blondie | leOn: yes, but it wouldn't be 100% reliable |
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| 12:26.40 | Varanger | jm_: what is console user ?? |
| 12:26.44 | leOn | blondie: something close would be good enough ... what i really want is to find if there is the use of transproxy or not |
| 12:26.55 | Varanger | jm_: should I use it : console users / anyone ? |
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| 12:27.13 | blondie | leOn: 1 sec |
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| 12:27.16 | jm_ | Varanger: use default if you don't know what to choose |
| 12:27.34 | Varanger | jm_: I used default and I still can't enter to X |
| 12:27.42 | jm_ | Varanger: what was the default? |
| 12:27.50 | nn | Varanger: why aren't you using xdm? |
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| 12:28.08 | coywolf | !lart |
| 12:28.13 | kelmo_lap | hi, anyone here using sl-modem-source on sid? |
| 12:29.18 | Varanger | jm_: The default was: "Only console users" and I have changed to "Anyone" ... now it's working right, not the default option, though |
| 12:29.41 | jm_ | Varanger: are you starting it from console? |
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| 12:30.20 | nn | jm_: obviously |
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| 12:30.35 | TF|Silentium | hi @all |
| 12:30.42 | TF|Silentium | wow here are many users! |
| 12:30.44 | blondie | leOn: http://pastebin.com/570140 -- works with squid at least |
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| 12:30.48 | jm_ | nn: I wasn't asking you |
| 12:31.31 | debianito_proble | whats the difference between..."debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso"(http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/) and "debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso"(http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/index.en.html) ?? |
| 12:31.31 | TF|Silentium | where i can download the linux debian? |
| 12:31.51 | flart | TF|Silentium: in the internet |
| 12:31.56 | TF|Silentium | lol and where? |
| 12:32.01 | debianito_proble | www.debian.org |
| 12:32.07 | TF|Silentium | ah yes thx |
| 12:32.09 | ootput | TF|Silentium: http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
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| 12:32.24 | flart | google seems to be really hard to understand |
| 12:32.26 | Varanger | jm_: yes, I am using from the console |
| 12:32.33 | jm_ | debianito_proble: the latter is updated |
| 12:32.36 | TF|Silentium | its german? |
| 12:32.37 | jm_ | Varanger: what's your tty? |
| 12:32.39 | timmeh | hey can anyone tell me which package would have the c manpages in it? |
| 12:33.13 | Varanger | jm_: how can I check that?? |
| 12:33.15 | Terat0gen | gcc |
| 12:33.17 | jm_ | Varanger: tty |
| 12:33.18 | Terat0gen | ? |
| 12:33.22 | debianito_proble | ok jm_!! thanx but the webpage doesn´t tell it...n u don´t know that exists the latest version |
| 12:33.34 | Varanger | jm_: /dev/pts/0 |
| 12:33.40 | beginer | i try to start 'motion' and i recive error: [1] ioctl (VIDIOCGCAP): Invalid argument > what that means? |
| 12:33.52 | jm_ | debianito_proble: it does, it says [20 Dec 2005] Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 updated (r1) |
| 12:33.56 | jm_ | Varanger: that's not console |
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| 12:34.02 | TF|Silentium | omg |
| 12:34.10 | TF|Silentium | can anyone speak german? |
| 12:34.17 | debianito_proble | ok sorry so |
| 12:34.19 | Varanger | jm_: what's that then ? what is a console? |
| 12:34.25 | jm_ | Varanger: /dev/tty* |
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| 12:35.32 | Varanger | jm_: How can I fix that? I am using a fresh Sarge installation |
| 12:35.42 | TF|Silentium | hey whats the time now? |
| 12:35.49 | ootput | TF|Silentium: !de |
| 12:35.53 | Varanger | 07:35 am |
| 12:35.54 | jm_ | Varanger: login on console |
| 12:35.59 | TF|Silentium | !de |
| 12:35.59 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 12:36.24 | debianito_proble | exists a netinst for the testing version?? I can only get http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:36.25 | TF|Silentium | lol? who says that i'am from germany? |
| 12:36.31 | Varanger | jm_: I logged on console, I hadn't installed X back then |
| 12:36.42 | ootput | what does 'lol?' mean exactly? |
| 12:36.48 | debianito_proble | lot of laughts |
| 12:36.51 | jm_ | Varanger: did you run su? screen? |
| 12:37.02 | TF|Silentium | laughts out loud |
| 12:37.02 | Varanger | jm_: At least, I thought I was logging on console... |
| 12:37.03 | ootput | debianito_proble: i know, but with the additional question mark? |
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| 12:37.18 | Varanger | jm_: You are right... I am under screen |
| 12:37.23 | Varanger | Now I remember |
| 12:37.23 | jm_ | Varanger: there you go ... |
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| 12:37.40 | Varanger | jm_: Thanks a lot ! |
| 12:37.44 | jm_ | Varanger: you can set it back to console if you won't start it from screen |
| 12:37.55 | Varanger | jm_: I will |
| 12:37.55 | debianito_proble | sarcastic ootput |
| 12:37.56 | parityflag | ahhh sometimes debian/linux is somewhat confusing/frustrating |
| 12:38.08 | Varanger | jm_: Bye... thanks again |
| 12:38.57 | debianito_proble | exists a netinst for the testing version?? I can only see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:39.22 | nn | debianito_proble: yes there are weekly builds, dunno about the location |
| 12:39.23 | jm_ | that's testing version |
| 12:39.25 | parityflag | after apt-get install xfonts-intl-chinese ttf-arphic-ukai, the fonts of firefox are very ugly... some serif font that's hardly readable. does anybody know how this happend or how to change it back? |
| 12:39.28 | sparr | Should I expect trouble in linux with an ATI video card if I do no 3D gaming? |
| 12:39.48 | ootput | sparr: no |
| 12:40.06 | wols_ | depends. what about the new X1k cards from ati? |
| 12:40.22 | wols_ | doN't think there is a driver for them yet. and new stuff like compiz also needs 3D support |
| 12:40.43 | debianito_proble | weekly builds are at the website i wrote....(but Its writteng in the webpage that these weekly builds are "danger") so I just want the testing version..?¿ |
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| 12:41.26 | embrapa | hi |
| 12:41.42 | embrapa | para o portugues |
| 12:41.43 | debianito_proble | its written if u want to use something newer to help us to test...(but I can´t help anyone to test, i can just help myself lol xD) |
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| 12:42.02 | embrapa | como faço para instalar o kde no meu gnome |
| 12:42.19 | amphi | !pt |
| 12:42.19 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:42.32 | embrapa | #debian-br |
| 12:42.46 | embrapa | !pt |
| 12:42.47 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:42.48 | foks | embrapa: /joinf #debian-br |
| 12:42.51 | foks | oups |
| 12:42.54 | foks | embrapa: /join #debian-br |
| 12:43.07 | debianito_proble | exists a netinst for the testing version?? I can only see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ noone knowsss?¿ |
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| 12:43.24 | falsedef | I'm trying to get only one package installed from unstable, but apt-get keeps wanting to install an extra 100 packages (that aren't dependent on eachother). How do i force it to install just the package I need? |
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| 12:43.50 | Brainwalker | hih0 |
| 12:43.58 | foks | falsedef: download the .deb and dpkg -i package.deb ? |
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| 12:44.22 | falsedef | Alright, thanks. |
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| 12:45.14 | debianito_proble | exists a netinst for the testing version?? I can only see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ noone knowsss?¿ |
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| 12:45.57 | broomy | hey all!, is there a program that opens .img files? |
| 12:45.59 | flart | debianito_proble: not yet afaik |
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| 12:46.31 | debianito_proble | ok..ok |
| 12:47.03 | possie | ekkikrist, did you look at my pastebin btw? |
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| 12:48.33 | leOn | blondie: you know where i can find a list of headers that i may use to detect the most things about the proxy use .. ? |
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| 12:48.41 | leOn | just like HTTP_VIA .. |
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| 12:49.07 | RomanK | Hi all! Right now, many KDE-Applications (maybe even many QT-Applications) crash very often (e.g. Konsole crashs on start, kmail when i try to reply, amaroK on start, and so on)... is already known what causes this bugs? |
| 12:49.24 | RomanK | oh.. on sid, of course ;) |
| 12:50.17 | kleinlappies | what can i do to make kde more stable |
| 12:50.38 | blondie | leOn: print_r($_SERVER); using php |
| 12:50.50 | blondie | and connect via a proxy |
| 12:51.05 | leOn | thanks |
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| 12:57.33 | fluxdude | if anyone wants to look at my vsftpd.conf to see why it's not doing tls or ssl instead of plain old ftp, look here http://pastebin.com/570171 |
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| 12:59.45 | leOn | fluxdude: ls -l /etc/ssl/certs/vsftpd.pem |
| 12:59.52 | falsedef | Can't get it to download just the one package I need... still wants to download a 100 other packages with it |
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| 13:00.30 | foks | falsedef: are those 100 packages new ones (I doubt) or upgraded ones ? |
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| 13:00.50 | ivanneto | Is there any command to know the encoding of a text file (UTF-8, ISO*)? |
| 13:00.54 | mr_claus | is aptitude supporting full utf-8? |
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| 13:01.46 | jm_ | ivanneto: there are some tools that try to guess it, but you can't reall yknow it |
| 13:01.54 | falsedef | They're new ones.. i'm trying to download the single pkg from the unstable repository, but i'm using stable right now. |
| 13:03.09 | ivanneto | jm_: what tools? |
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| 13:04.06 | foks | falsedef: what package are you trying to install ? |
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| 13:04.34 | jm_ | ivanneto: maybe mguesser, I remember seeing something on freshmeat |
| 13:04.36 | useruser | ivanneto: file |
| 13:04.38 | wols_ | falsedef: not with apt. but you can easily download a package via ftp client. however, you can't intall it since all those other packages apt downloads are needed as dependencies |
| 13:04.46 | fluxdude | le0n: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2140 Feb 23 15:05 /etc/ssl/certs/vsftpd.pem |
| 13:05.02 | falsedef | nvidia-kernel-2.6... i'm using 2.6.8 right now. |
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| 13:05.26 | wols_ | go to nvidia and get the latest driver there |
| 13:06.01 | falsedef | I have the latest driver, it wants the kernel. |
| 13:06.02 | ivanneto | jm_: thanks. I'll take a look. |
| 13:06.30 | ivanneto | useruser: file just tells me that it's a 'XML document text'. But sometimes it works. |
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| 13:06.45 | jm_ | ivanneto: proper XML document should have encoding specified |
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| 13:07.16 | chigvan | Hello, how can I kill a process / programme that isnt showing in TOP? gmplayer has hung and wont close but its not listed in TOP |
| 13:07.18 | useruser | ivanneto: Encode::Guess (3perl) - - Guesses encoding from data |
| 13:07.22 | falsedef | Last time I did the nvidia driver install, i just downloaded the precompiled nvidia-kernel from debian's repositories. |
| 13:07.39 | foks | chigvan: pkill -9 <process> |
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| 13:08.23 | chigvan | foks, thanks a lot, its done the trick |
| 13:08.28 | kironaoi | to set up a dual-OS system of WinXP and Debian, which should i install first or does it matter? |
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| 13:08.55 | vin` | could not open default font 'fixed', oh fixed, where art thou? |
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| 13:09.05 | jm_ | kironaoi: Windows |
| 13:09.23 | kironaoi | jm_, must be so? |
| 13:09.51 | jm_ | kironaoi: no, but Windows will overwrite MBR and you won't be able to boot Linux without some rescue medium |
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| 13:10.14 | kironaoi | jm_, i see, thks. |
| 13:10.43 | kironaoi | jm_, i thought grub would have the final say. |
| 13:11.04 | jm_ | kironaoi: what do you mean? |
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| 13:11.50 | kironaoi | jm_, when i install linux, grub will re-write the VBR. |
| 13:12.04 | wols_ | kironaoi: grub is overwritten by windows. any windows install rewrites the MBR |
| 13:12.14 | jm_ | kironaoi: yes |
| 13:12.21 | wols_ | so if windows is installed last, it will ovrewrite the MBR |
| 13:12.25 | jm_ | kironaoi: that's why you first install Windows and then Linux |
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| 13:12.52 | kironaoi | wols_, jm_, make sense. |
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| 13:13.09 | wols_ | we DO make sense already |
| 13:13.21 | jm_ | probably wanted to say makes sense |
| 13:14.15 | kironaoi | wols_, jm_ i am saying that what u 2 said make sense. |
| 13:14.29 | foks | kironaoi: makeS sense :) |
| 13:14.54 | kironaoi | foks, yeh, more senses. |
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| 13:17.02 | momelod | greetings room |
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| 13:17.30 | momelod | im having a problem installing debian on a machine with multiple scsi devices |
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| 13:18.00 | kironaoi | if i start another installation in another partition, how do i make use of those packages that i had installed, for the new partition? |
| 13:18.41 | momelod | the install goes fine, but when i reboot i get an error that the root partition doesnt exist, then it drops into a busybox shell, and imediatly after i see the /dev/sda drive being detected, and i can mount the root partition normally |
| 13:18.49 | wols_ | why would you want a 2nd install when you want to use the old installed software? |
| 13:19.16 | kironaoi | my current install is screwed. |
| 13:19.34 | kironaoi | can't login to it. |
| 13:19.56 | wols_ | so? |
| 13:20.05 | Eulex | kironaoi, why? |
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| 13:20.07 | wols_ | just edit your /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow- |
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| 13:20.35 | kironaoi | Eulex, it screwed up after i do a rsync. |
| 13:21.02 | kironaoi | wols_, tried that. no way. |
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| 13:22.30 | kironaoi | so i want to transfer packages fr the old partition. how to do it right? |
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| 13:23.10 | wols_ | copy your /var/cache/apt/ directory to the new one |
| 13:23.55 | kironaoi | wols_, yeh, done that. but when i 'dpkg -i', there are a lot of dependencies problem. |
| 13:24.07 | wols_ | use apt |
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| 13:24.40 | kironaoi | wols_, before i can use apt, i have to set up a proper repository. |
| 13:25.01 | emiliano | i have a problem...i need of a repository testing etch for to installer w32codecs |
| 13:25.12 | emiliano | help please..sorry for my english |
| 13:25.22 | Eulex | !marillat |
| 13:25.22 | dpkg | methinks marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> |
| 13:25.38 | Eulex | emiliano, ^^ |
| 13:25.42 | wols_ | kironaoi: debian install already does this |
| 13:25.46 | emiliano | thanks |
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| 13:26.46 | kironaoi | wols_, i'm afraid not. no entry in the sources.list to refer to on-disk rep. |
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| 13:27.37 | dragan | i would like to try reiserfs on sarge. Do i need to make new installation or i could maybe convert from ext3??? |
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| 13:28.24 | wols_ | kironaoi: no need |
| 13:28.43 | wols_ | you always have a apt-"repository" on disk: your download cache |
| 13:28.57 | Cyor | Hey folks... I just installed Firefox 1.5 by extracting it on top of the 1.0.4 version I already had - now it's not working when I click the icon (i.e. does nothing) any ideas?! |
| 13:28.59 | wols_ | apt will only download something if it's newer than this cache |
| 13:29.19 | wols_ | Cyor: yes. use debian package and delete your old ffox config |
| 13:29.40 | wols_ | but this is NOT a debian question but a firefox one. |
| 13:29.51 | Cyor | I didn't see any debian package |
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| 13:30.13 | Cyor | All the site offered me was a tar.gz file |
| 13:30.32 | brosioz | anyone known a tool that monitore physical memory listing by program and usage ? |
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| 13:30.39 | foks | cyor: apt-get update && apt-get install firefox |
| 13:30.41 | jm_ | it's on backports.org and in releases > Sarge |
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| 13:34.14 | netman_ | hi somebody can configurate FN keys in a toshiba with Phoenix bios ? |
| 13:34.15 | dos000 | is there a variable to set the include path preference ? i tried putting CFLAGS inthe top make file but i dont see it passed |
| 13:34.15 | blondie | "configurate" nice |
| 13:34.16 | boffer | how can I remove the first letter or number from all the files in a directory |
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| 13:34.17 | jm_ | boffer: man rename |
| 13:34.17 | dos000 | boffer, you have to write a script |
| 13:34.18 | boffer | I have a folder with a lot of files with just numbers as file names, and they all start with one zero to many, how can I remove the first zero from all the files |
| 13:34.18 | amette | Ok, so I yesterday did #apt-get install mysql-server - that interestingly downgraded MySQL from 4.1.11 to 4.0 - now MySQL doesn't start at all any more and I wanna go back to 4.1.11 - why don't I get 4.1.11 with this sources.list? http://sh.nu/p/1175 |
| 13:34.18 | momelod | is there a way i can have my kernel load a module before it tries to mount my root partition. it seems to me that during bootup the kernel tries to mount my root partition before loading the modules for my scsi controller |
| 13:34.19 | jm_ | boffer: no you don't |
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| 13:34.19 | jm_ | momelod: initrd |
| 13:34.19 | wols_ | momelod: initrd |
| 13:34.19 | momelod | :) |
| 13:34.19 | momelod | what about it |
| 13:34.20 | boffer | jm_: rename looks neat, thanks |
| 13:34.20 | wols_ | that does what you need |
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| 13:34.20 | momelod | initrd is the ramdisk right? |
| 13:34.23 | wols_ | initial ramdisk |
| 13:34.49 | momelod | and thats on the scsi drive with the kernel, but what do i need to do to it ? |
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| 13:35.25 | wols_ | you need to read the initrd howto. and you need to make your own probably to have it work |
| 13:35.32 | momelod | should i be adding something to the initrd line in the grub menu.lst |
| 13:35.40 | momelod | oh really |
| 13:35.50 | wols_ | yes really |
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| 13:35.56 | knt | does terminus font have unicode support? |
| 13:36.03 | momelod | would it be easier to rebuild the kernel with my scsi module built in? |
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| 13:36.14 | Thumann | o/ hi boys and girls |
| 13:36.27 | wols_ | if you can: yes. some scsi controller don't have source for their drivers |
| 13:36.43 | Eulex | momelod, depends |
| 13:37.05 | wols_ | Eulex: is there any other reason than binary only drivers to have initrd? |
| 13:37.07 | dragan | i would like to try reiserfs on sarge. Do i need to make new installation or i could maybe convert from ext3??? |
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| 13:37.13 | amette | doh - #apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 :P |
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| 13:37.45 | momelod | so whats the best route to take, rebuild the kernel, or just the initrd |
| 13:38.02 | momelod | i know that the kernel does have the drivers for my controller |
| 13:38.15 | momelod | but it loads them as modules.. |
| 13:38.17 | jm_ | just initrd |
| 13:38.28 | momelod | k thanx |
| 13:38.28 | jm_ | man mkinitrd ; man mkinitrd.conf |
| 13:38.44 | jm_ | or man pages for whichever tool is doing it for you (could be initramfs) |
| 13:39.32 | momelod | k, but i cant boot to that machine, is it possible to rebuild the initrd from another machine? |
| 13:39.53 | jm_ | yeah, but it will most likely require manual work |
| 13:40.17 | momelod | could i do it from the bootcd with the 'rescue' mode? |
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| 13:41.12 | jm_ | sure |
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| 13:41.24 | lepton | dragan: it can be done in place, but it's not for beginners |
| 13:41.37 | momelod | ill give it a shot, thanx jm_ |
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| 13:42.12 | tijn | mmh after succesfull installing ldap, i can do a su (ldapuser) login (ldapuser) but i cant ssh as an ldapuser |
| 13:42.25 | tijn | its a PAM thing i think, but i cant find it |
| 13:42.43 | wpostma | is it possible to specify routes by source address in addition to by destination network or address? |
| 13:42.47 | Eulex | wols_, if you have an initrd a single kernel can boot several machines, and you can add modules without recompiling |
| 13:42.59 | dragan | lepton: please try me :-)?? |
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| 13:43.30 | wols_ | Eulex: I rather compile everything I need in for a particular machine to boot. much less "brittle" imho |
| 13:43.34 | wols_ | and less hassle |
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| 13:45.05 | jm_ | wpostma: not with route command, but you can do more advanced stuff with iproute tools |
| 13:45.07 | dos000 | is there a variable to set the include path preference for all the make files in the project ? i tried putting CFLAGS in the top make file but i dont see it passed |
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| 13:45.26 | Eulex | wols_, yes, true |
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| 13:46.20 | javiolo | !paste |
| 13:46.20 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 13:53.46 | jdaly | Can someone help me please? |
| 13:54.08 | jm_ | jdaly: all our mind readers are on holiday |
| 13:54.14 | javiolo | !ask |
| 13:54.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 13:54.54 | concept10 | !bootchart |
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| 13:55.04 | jdaly | You'll have to excuse me, as *my* mind reader is currently on holiday too, and so I couldn't tell if anyone was monitoring chat |
| 13:55.28 | concept10 | How do I install bootchart? (after installing the package) |
| 13:56.08 | sep | concept10, have you read the doc in /usr/share/doc/bootchartd |
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| 13:57.53 | Talnakh_ | hi all. just a quick question. how can i view previous login into SSH shell. |
| 13:57.55 | Talnakh_ | ? |
| 13:58.05 | concept10 | sep, okay, i just figured it out |
| 13:58.48 | Ekaterin | Talnakh_: I'm not sure if I understand the question, but have you tried "last"? |
| 13:58.52 | sep | Talnakh_, look in /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 13:59.14 | Talnakh_ | ok, thanks |
| 13:59.29 | Cyor | Hey folks... I just installed Firefox 1.5 by extracting it on top of the 1.0.4 version I already had - now it's not working when I click the icon (i.e. does nothing) any ideas?! (p.s. I am on Debian 3.1 and I got 1.0.4 using apt-get, but 1.5 off the site) |
| 13:59.52 | jm_ | reinstall 1.5 from backports |
| 13:59.55 | sep | Cyor, silly you you should have used backports |
| 14:00.03 | Cyor | what on earth are they? |
| 14:00.21 | foks | Cyor: are you runing stable ? |
| 14:00.22 | sep | !backports |
| 14:00.22 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 14:00.34 | Cyor | well there isnt any 1.5 listed |
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| 14:00.42 | Cyor | thats why I went to the firefox site |
| 14:00.46 | jerome | hi there |
| 14:00.47 | jm_ | yes there is |
| 14:00.54 | foks | Cyor: are you kiding ? http://www.backports.org/package.php?search=firefox |
| 14:01.18 | sep | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/f/firefox/ |
| 14:01.24 | jdaly | I'm having trouble installing Nvidia drivers. My Debian version is 3.1 (?). When I try to install the drivers, I am being told that my source files are not installed, when I have installed it using Synaptic Package Manager. |
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| 14:01.28 | Cyor | what the hell is backports! |
| 14:01.36 | sep | !nvidia one-liner |
| 14:01.36 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 14:01.41 | jm_ | !tell jdaly -about nvidia one-liner |
| 14:01.52 | sep | cyor type backports.org in any browser |
| 14:02.06 | jerome | I am looking for some way to get dhcpd to read /etc/resolv.conf and send it to its clients (I don't know the contents of /etc/resolv.conf now, as it is provided by a DSL router). Any idea ? |
| 14:02.22 | jerome | ddns implies installing bind, IIRC |
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| 14:02.52 | sep | jerome, run a caching dns on your box and let your clients use that |
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| 14:03.08 | Cyor | How does ANY of this help!? |
| 14:03.12 | Paul___ | what is the recommended dhcp client these days? |
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| 14:03.36 | sep | !tell Cyor about backports |
| 14:03.37 | Cyor | You people are useless |
| 14:03.44 | sep | Cyor, sorry but if your think we just can't help you |
| 14:03.46 | jm_ | just use Windows, we'll be happier |
| 14:03.54 | Ekaterin | How can I look at a Debian package's pre- and post-installation scripts? (This is for dovecot - I am trying to work out where its self-signed SSL certificate came from and how to create a new one.) |
| 14:03.54 | fatal_ | Paul___: dhclient (ISCs followup to dhcpcd) |
| 14:04.11 | Paul___ | fatal_: ty |
| 14:04.12 | sep | Cyor, if you'd read the page it explains it rather nicly |
| 14:04.14 | jm_ | Ekaterin: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/dovecot* |
| 14:04.27 | Cyor | All I want is a god damn .deb file for firefox 1.5 |
| 14:04.34 | Cyor | Or a way of fixing the one I want |
| 14:04.36 | fatal_ | Paul___: you shouldn't have to care... set everything up in /etc/network/intefaces and just use ifup/ifdown... |
| 14:04.47 | Cyor | Not a lecture on something that may or may not have any relevance |
| 14:05.01 | Cyor | I hate people that just chuck a word out there and expect them to work it out |
| 14:05.08 | sep | Cyor, !!!! 3-4 people have told you where you can find it. i am using it myself get a grip and read what we type |
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| 14:05.11 | Cyor | 'BackPorts' - -whAHWA?! |
| 14:05.30 | jm_ | ahh yeah the fucker is demanding help, nice |
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| 14:05.53 | Cyor | No I am demanding that in the future if you try and help you do it properly |
| 14:06.01 | Cyor | Not half asses |
| 14:06.04 | Cyor | *assed |
| 14:06.11 | useruser | Cyor: thing is, we dont care |
| 14:06.15 | jm_ | and that's coming from someone who doesn't know how to fix his own shit |
| 14:06.16 | Cyor | Exactly |
| 14:06.24 | Cyor | jm_, - thats WHY I am here |
| 14:06.37 | useruser | Cyor: why do you think we're here? |
| 14:06.39 | jm_ | Cyor: so do what people tell you or don't bother asking for help |
| 14:06.47 | sep | Cyor, even if you managed to not see the urls we have pastes a simple search for backports in google would hae given you the right hit... |
| 14:06.51 | Paul___ | fatal_: I might need to setup pppoe, I'm not sure yet. I just setup SBC/Yahoo DSL in XP. All I did was login in to the modem with a user/password then setup my nic to use DHCP and it works. |
| 14:06.57 | hatake_kakashi | another stubborn user I see? -_- |
| 14:06.59 | jm_ | don't judge if it's going to help you or not - you clearly can't tell that |
| 14:07.04 | sep | there is no better help then this unless you give me a ssh login i can fix you box for you |
| 14:07.08 | Cyor | ah gfu |
| 14:07.12 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:08.47 | sollust | hello all...I've tried to talk to someone on #xorg, but no one is there |
| 14:09.01 | sollust | where can I get some info on how to fix xorg 6.9? |
| 14:09.14 | jm_ | in Debian? |
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| 14:09.38 | Ekaterin | Cyor, I don't think you've read the FAQ about this channel. Please see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ and http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html . |
| 14:09.40 | sollust | Debian would be good, since I'm running etch :-) |
| 14:09.52 | jm_ | then ask here |
| 14:09.55 | abrotman | sollust: fix? |
| 14:09.56 | Cyor | shut - the - fuck - up |
| 14:10.05 | sollust | abrotman: yup |
| 14:10.07 | abrotman | oh .. hyphenated! |
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| 14:10.29 | sollust | I upgraded to 6.9, and now x doesn't work |
| 14:10.37 | abrotman | define "doesn't work" |
| 14:10.43 | jm_ | sollust: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 14:10.52 | sollust | I get the "INVALID IO ALLOCATION" error |
| 14:11.04 | abrotman | what driver .. what card? |
| 14:11.11 | sep | !won't work |
| 14:11.12 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 14:11.34 | sollust | jm_: I did the /msg dpkg thing, and didn't get any useful information |
| 14:11.40 | fatal_ | Paul___: if your internet connection uses PPPoE and your "modem" has a built in "router" which does NAT, I think there's good chance that the "modem" also handles the PPPoE for you so you don't have to mess with that on the computer. |
| 14:12.03 | jm_ | sollust: you did, it tol dyou to provide more details ... |
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| 14:12.50 | sollust | ok...sorry...details: voodoo3 card, powerpc (mac g3/266) |
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| 14:13.20 | jm_ | I guess it's worth asking in #debian-ppc too |
| 14:13.30 | momelod | how do i tell the debian installer to use a custom kernel i built as a .deb? |
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| 14:13.31 | sollust | If I look at the logs, and the traceback, it goes all the way to libc6 |
| 14:13.42 | jm_ | also check BTS |
| 14:13.58 | jm_ | momelod: d-i Wiki explains how to make custom CD-s |
| 14:14.10 | sollust | jm_: that's a good thought about the debian-ppc channel. I forget about them sometimes. |
| 14:14.18 | momelod | debian-install wiki? |
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| 14:14.32 | Paul___ | fatal_: hopefully |
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| 14:15.36 | abrotman | jm_: sollust: #debianppc .. no - |
| 14:15.42 | abrotman | unless they moved too |
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| 14:15.56 | sk2 | is it possible to do a debian network install from a usb key instead of a cd? (I only have access to a Windows or OS X machine to make the key from) |
| 14:16.01 | jm_ | ahh without -, thanks |
| 14:16.01 | sollust | yeah, I got forwarded :-) |
| 14:16.07 | jm_ | sk2: of course |
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| 14:16.08 | trueno | Has anyone experienced problems with sid and locales after an upgrade lately? (I'm using locales 2.3.6-1, the fix should be to upgrade libc6, however I don't know how to upgrade _only_ libc6) |
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| 14:16.19 | sk2 | jm_, every guide needs linux to format the usb key |
| 14:17.19 | sollust | jm_: I check the debian x lists, and found that there's more problems than solutions, too. |
| 14:17.22 | beardy | sk2: Boot something that can format it then, given you can boot something on either of those boxes. |
| 14:17.28 | jm_ | sk2: you should be able to easily do this in Windows: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 14:17.54 | sk2 | beardy, thanks i never thought of a livecd |
| 14:18.10 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 14:18.12 | abrotman | !usb-install |
| 14:18.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 14:18.17 | abrotman | sk2: ^^ |
| 14:18.29 | useruser | abrotman: requires linux |
| 14:18.31 | jm_ | hasn't that info been moved to d-i docs? or is it for Etch only? |
| 14:18.33 | abrotman | for what? |
| 14:18.49 | useruser | abrotman: To put SYSLINUX onto the partition, install the syslinux and mtools packages on your system, and type ... |
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| 14:19.01 | abrotman | cygwin has not the tools? |
| 14:19.03 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 14:19.06 | abrotman | !co-linux |
| 14:19.09 | abrotman | !colinux |
| 14:19.10 | dpkg | colinux is probably http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ... |
| 14:19.11 | sk2 | Ok I'll play wth it thanks |
| 14:19.12 | abrotman | problem solved! |
| 14:19.23 | useruser | abrotman: heh. sledgehammer, nut? |
| 14:19.27 | sk2 | lol |
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| 14:19.43 | abrotman | useruser: i don't see anyhting in those instructions that requires linux |
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| 14:20.19 | GoAuLd | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.27 | abrotman | sid has xorg already |
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| 14:20.55 | jm_ | you only need syslinux which works in Windows too |
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| 14:21.14 | GoAuLd | i wonder when for xorg 7 in sid |
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| 14:21.34 | abrotman | !info xserver-xorg sid |
| 14:21.37 | sollust | so I did a reconfig w/ fbdev instead of tdfx, and it works |
| 14:21.37 | linoleum | hi |
| 14:21.42 | useruser | abrotman: the bit with /dev/sda1 looks like it wouldn't work with another os |
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| 14:21.45 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 5767 kB, Installed size: 14912 kB |
| 14:21.52 | abrotman | useruser: see what jm_ said |
| 14:22.02 | useruser | ah, ok |
| 14:22.12 | abrotman | useruser: and there are many parts .. since the whole thing revolves around /dev/sda1 :) |
| 14:22.24 | GoAuLd | ill have to wait for it.... |
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| 14:22.37 | abrotman | !info xserver-xorg experimental |
| 14:22.39 | GoAuLd | watching other's xgls... |
| 14:22.41 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.0 (experimental), Packaged size: 123 kB, Installed size: 460 kB |
| 14:22.53 | abrotman | GoAuLd: give it a few days .. |
| 14:23.01 | trueno | !info locales |
| 14:23.06 | dpkg | locales: (GNU C Library: National Language (locale) data [support]), section libs, is standard. Version: 2.3.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3832 kB, Installed size: 9700 kB |
| 14:23.17 | trueno | !info libc6 |
| 14:23.21 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 5038 kB, Installed size: 16572 kB |
| 14:23.31 | GoAuLd | you really think it will be only a few days? |
| 14:23.38 | im_a_muslim | As Salaam e laikum (means: peace b upon u) .............. http://www.submission.org/ .......... [112:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful [112:1] Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD. [112:2] "The Absolute GOD. [112:3] "Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. [112:4] "None equals Him." |
| 14:23.41 | abrotman | GoAuLd: nfc really ... |
| 14:23.41 | cheal | !tell trueno about msg the bot |
| 14:23.50 | abrotman | !ops im_a_muslim spamming the channel with religious crap |
| 14:23.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: im_a_muslim spamming the channel with religious crap |
| 14:24.01 | trueno | cheal: ok |
| 14:24.58 | sk2 | one final question, to copy to a usb drive do I need to use rawrite or is that only for floppies? |
| 14:25.13 | abrotman | afaik .. only for floppies |
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| 14:25.34 | abrotman | !afo |
| 14:25.34 | dpkg | abrotman for ops! |
| 14:25.36 | abrotman | bah |
| 14:25.47 | abrotman | i never get a pony |
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| 14:28.17 | kyle_ | hello my good friends, i only paid £230 for linux, how kool is that, bargain |
| 14:28.36 | abrotman | i got it for ... free |
| 14:28.50 | kyle_ | how |
| 14:29.05 | abrotman | !tell kyle_ about why debian |
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| 14:29.14 | abrotman | !tell kyle_ about d-i |
| 14:30.27 | kyle_ | yo, like you peeps |
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| 14:30.34 | stew | now if i can only figure out where i get the beer that is free too |
| 14:30.57 | trueno | bye! |
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| 14:31.01 | abrotman | stew: oh .. somewhere in PA might work ? :) |
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| 14:31.18 | stew | slyfox.com? |
| 14:31.24 | kyle_ | people keep geting rid of me on the other chat rooms, there not friendly |
| 14:31.31 | kyle_ | bullys they are |
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| 14:31.54 | abrotman | stew: sure! |
| 14:31.57 | kyle_ | just because i'm new to linux |
| 14:32.02 | abrotman | vin`: why did you change your nick?> |
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| 14:32.14 | vin` | abrotman: got sick of it. |
| 14:32.23 | abrotman | ok .. can't argue with that :) |
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| 14:32.53 | kyle_ | winblows 98 is the bst |
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| 14:33.10 | Silent_al | !lart kyle_ |
| 14:33.11 | dae | Hi |
| 14:33.24 | dae | I have a problem with xmms |
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| 14:33.33 | kyle_ | it's hard to keep up to date when u life in a cave like me |
| 14:33.34 | Silent_al | dae: use BMP then :P |
| 14:33.55 | dae | is ist another programm? |
| 14:34.11 | dae | *it |
| 14:34.16 | beardy | dae: Tell us what problem then? |
| 14:34.27 | kyle_ | DO U WANT TO BE THE NEXT BIG POP STAR |
| 14:34.31 | Silent_al | idae, its like , xmms2 |
| 14:34.42 | dae | The fonts in the menus are very small |
| 14:34.46 | kyle_ | LIKE MR BLOBBY AND FIVE |
| 14:34.53 | stew | kyle_: do you have anything debian related to ask? |
| 14:35.00 | kyle_ | YES |
| 14:35.06 | ejk | kyle_: Nice trolling. Oh and turn your caps lock off. |
| 14:35.12 | abrotman | i heard the caps lock key is for morons |
| 14:35.16 | kyle_ | GO TO WWW.FREEWEBS.COM/KYLETHEDOOD |
| 14:35.23 | kyle_ | I CAN'T COS IT'S BROKE |
| 14:35.29 | stew | !ops kyle_ needs a +q |
| 14:35.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: kyle_ needs a +q |
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| 14:36.02 | cheal | hehe |
| 14:36.06 | kyle_ | HELLO |
| 14:36.21 | dae | I have very small fonts in other programms, too |
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| 14:37.24 | uwe | hello, does any one know if there is a website that has screen shots of all/most of the steps of the debian installer? |
| 14:38.54 | vin` | uwe: google, I've seen them. |
| 14:39.33 | beardy | uwe: Just hit Enter when in doubt, a monkey can do it. |
| 14:39.42 | uwe | vin`, been googling, thought someone could give a better hint |
| 14:39.55 | Shadda | blah |
| 14:40.11 | vin` | uwe: did you start yet? |
| 14:40.23 | Shadda | Okay, power went out sometime this week on my server, just turned it back on....Grub can't find my kernel(s) apparently |
| 14:40.30 | uwe | beardy, :) i know, i need it to make some kind of "complete idiots guide" :) |
| 14:40.39 | vin` | ah. |
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| 14:41.03 | Shadda | Running sarge, I'm going to burn a copy of knoppix and chroot in, and try to copy/paste a kernel in there. Should work, right? |
| 14:41.06 | beardy | uwe: Complete idiots should not be allowed to touch a computer. |
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| 14:41.54 | Shadda | Anyone? :) |
| 14:41.56 | stew | Shadda: yeah, but you wouldnt' even need to copy/paste. after you have chrooted, you can just apt-get install |
| 14:42.08 | uwe | beardy, LOL, well, i need to make a guide for schools, where teachers/instructurs who never heared of linux would be installing it nicely and feel good about it ;) |
| 14:42.13 | Shadda | stew, thanks :) |
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| 14:42.31 | stew | Shadda: what do you think caused your bootloader to suddently not be able to find your kernel? |
| 14:42.38 | Shadda | probably me last week |
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| 14:42.44 | Shadda | I was cleaning up some Xen kernels I didn't need anymore |
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| 14:42.58 | beardy | uwe: When they are ready they will be able to. But search the web, most ceirtanly someone has already done such a guide. |
| 14:43.01 | Shadda | I don't *remember* deleting my vmlinux files, but shrug |
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| 14:43.07 | Shadur | Shadda: At a guess I'm hazarding that you /did/ need at least one of those kernels. |
| 14:43.13 | Shadda | vmlinuz even |
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| 14:43.26 | stew | Shadda: if you have a kerenl in /var/chache/apt/archives, you could dpkg -i that as well |
| 14:43.35 | Silent_al | uwe, you should give then something elase than Debian to try . like Ubuntu . |
| 14:43.37 | uwe | beardy, i already took some using vmware , but it too boring to do :) |
| 14:43.39 | Shadda | Shadur, I had like 10 in there, I was only deleting ones that started with Xen0 |
| 14:43.40 | Silent_al | else* |
| 14:43.49 | Silent_al | them* |
| 14:43.52 | Silent_al | arrg |
| 14:43.55 | beardy | uwe: That's up tp you. |
| 14:43.57 | uwe | Silent_al, i need it as a server, terminal server |
| 14:43.58 | beardy | to |
| 14:44.10 | Silent_al | uwe. oh :) |
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| 14:45.40 | jason_ | i have a webserver and i when i open up my page in microsoft explorer my href web links do not work, but yet, they work in firefox. |
| 14:46.13 | fireba11 | jason_: tell me how you did tthat, i need to do that will all ym sites :-D |
| 14:46.18 | SlayerXP | jason_: we're waiting for the part where this has something to do with debian... |
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| 14:47.08 | beardy | jason_: Take the hint? |
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| 14:54.10 | mr_claus | does it make sense to use utf-8 with a debian etch terminal-server? |
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| 14:54.27 | mr_claus | it seems openoffice has problems with utf-8 |
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| 14:55.54 | peej | There's a lame web app that needs java. Is there a free java for firefox I can use? |
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| 14:57.03 | uwe | peej, the one from sun! |
| 14:57.18 | abrotman | !tell peej about install java |
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| 14:57.59 | uwe | http://osl.birzeit.edu:8080/wiki2/index.php/Firefox |
| 14:58.02 | Shadda | heh |
| 14:58.04 | Shadda | so I'm chrooted in |
| 14:58.12 | Shadda | I notice I'm not actually connected to my network |
| 14:58.13 | Shadda | ifconfig eth0 >> Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory). Limited output. Segmentation Fault. |
| 14:58.16 | uwe | peej, check the link, it might help |
| 14:58.20 | peej | uwe: ta. |
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| 14:58.36 | stew | Shadda: mount /proc |
| 14:58.38 | Eulex | mr_claus, openoffice works very well with utf8 |
| 14:58.47 | Shadda | stew, ah hah, thanks |
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| 14:59.14 | Shadda | error fetching interface information: device not found...of course |
| 14:59.17 | stew | Shadda: or before you chroot in you might mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount --bind /proc /target/proc |
| 14:59.28 | mr_claus | Eulex: i have set the default language to "de_BE.UTF-8" but openoffice starts in english |
| 14:59.51 | beardy | mr_claus: oo has it's own locale packages, install the .de one |
| 14:59.59 | peej | abrotman: so is there a free java around yet? 'cos my stupid government has decided that railway bookings can only be done over the net if you have java. Totally sucky. |
| 15:00.11 | maxb | When a package creates a system user and group, some use "adduser --group" to ensure that that uid==gid, which is nice. Some don't, however, and result in uid!=gid. Should I just file minor bugs against each package I notice this in, or is there somewhere I should suggest it be tackled centrally? |
| 15:00.20 | mr_claus | beardy: it's already installed |
| 15:00.22 | abrotman | peej: there are free JVMs .. and a free JDK .. i assume you mean speech free. . not beer free? |
| 15:00.28 | abrotman | !info sablevm sarge |
| 15:00.30 | stew | peej: yes, otherwise we'd have no java anything in main. there is sabmvm and kaffe |
| 15:00.35 | stew | err sablevm |
| 15:00.47 | abrotman | peej: though .. the level of java they support isn't that great |
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| 15:00.58 | stew | abrotman: getting much better quickly |
| 15:01.05 | abrotman | i htink kaffe is JDK1.1 compliant . dunno about sablevm |
| 15:01.08 | mr_claus | beardy: openoffice.org-l10n-de? |
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| 15:01.15 | Shadda | hmmmm |
| 15:01.23 | beardy | mr_claus: Have you selected the language you want in oo's preferences/options? I doubt it cares about environment variables, but I don't know. |
| 15:01.25 | stew | abrotman: sablevm is now running eclipse and (i think) azureus |
| 15:01.29 | Shadda | stew, still can't find eth0--will I have to modprobe the drivers? |
| 15:01.35 | abrotman | !kaffe |
| 15:01.35 | dpkg | well, kaffe is claimed to be a PersonalJava 1.1 compliant java environment. In fact, it is developed under a contract to Microsoft - http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,20225,00.html ,Ask me about 'kaffe flaw'. |
| 15:01.44 | peej | abrotman : ok. so if I slave away at linking things, there's a chance I can have it work with firefox? |
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| 15:01.54 | abrotman | peej: or you can install sun's java |
| 15:01.57 | stew | Shadda: are you on the net from outside the chroot? |
| 15:02.06 | abrotman | peej: if you install kaffe or sable .. it should setup the java plugin for FF |
| 15:02.06 | peej | dpkg: oh man....I mean bot... you really depress me. |
| 15:02.13 | dpkg | sablevm: (Free implementation of Java Virtual Machine (JVM) second edition), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.11.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 15:02.15 | thefish | hello - sorry if its a stupid question, but is there a special repo with ncurses-devel in it? i am trying to use make menuconfig, and it complains that I dont have this, but i cant find it with apt... |
| 15:02.29 | stew | thefish: libncurses5-dev |
| 15:02.43 | stew | abrotman: i don't think either have a java plugin |
| 15:02.44 | peej | thefish: not a repo, just the name needs to be right. |
| 15:02.44 | thefish | thanks stew |
| 15:03.00 | thefish | i was searching for ncurses-devel not ncurses devel :) |
| 15:03.03 | thefish | thanks guys |
| 15:03.04 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.05 | peej | abrotman : kewl. I'm trying to be vrms compliant :-) |
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| 15:03.17 | Shadda | stew, no....even after modprobing the correct driver, I just noticed it doesn't even show up from outside |
| 15:03.31 | stew | Shadda: then you have a knoppix problem |
| 15:03.37 | abrotman | stew: i'm pretty sure kaffe does |
| 15:03.43 | Shadda | This is a very crappy box running off a very old network card |
| 15:03.46 | Shadda | Can you say ISA? :) |
| 15:03.50 | jonaskoelker | Hi. I just did an apt-get dist-ugrade, resulting in a breakage-looking error message--have a look at http://jonaskoelker.homeunix.org/~jonas/aptlog.txt |
| 15:04.07 | jonaskoelker | I'm not really sure how serious this is, and what I should do |
| 15:04.21 | mr_claus | beardy: ok, ty, thats it, do you know if it is possible to write cyrillic between the other text with openoffice with debian etch? |
| 15:04.21 | abrotman | stew: nope .. guess ont |
| 15:04.24 | beardy | jonaskoelker: Then you most likely shouldn't have upgraded. |
| 15:04.30 | jonaskoelker | So if anyone understands what's going on, I'd like some explnation and/or advice |
| 15:04.33 | abrotman | stew: seems kind of dumb then |
| 15:04.40 | Shadda | there it goes |
| 15:04.41 | jonaskoelker | beardy: I know that *now*, thank you very much ;) |
| 15:05.09 | abrotman | i thoguht that problem was fixed .. check the BTS |
| 15:05.19 | jonaskoelker | anyways, I just ran gedit, and it seemed to work fine, and pressing C-space, the input method switches to uim as expected |
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| 15:05.35 | stew | mr_claus: ask #debian-oo or #openoffice.org |
| 15:05.38 | zamaliphe | how to creat a grub gfxmenu /message file ???? |
| 15:05.45 | mr_claus | stew: ty |
| 15:05.46 | beardy | mr_claus: what stew said |
| 15:05.49 | zamaliphe | i have did a big serche in google but nothing usefule??? |
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| 15:06.08 | jonaskoelker | However, I guess that it (at least uim) might seem normal is that uim-helper-server hasn't been restarted |
| 15:06.09 | Kakihara | Which releases have a 2.6 kernel with support for SATA controllers of hard drives? |
| 15:06.23 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.40 | peej | jonaskoelker : apt-get libgtk2.0-bin and zero in on the problem with the clever people here. If they're in the mood ;-) |
| 15:06.58 | jonaskoelker | apt-get what libgtk2.0-bin? install? |
| 15:07.02 | stew | Kakihara: all, stable does if you boot the installer with the "linux26" option, however if you have a really new SATA you might need a custom installer with a newer kernel |
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| 15:07.20 | peej | N0S3 : nope. But it may stop your sound (or gameport sometimes) from working. |
| 15:07.31 | beardy | N0S3: No. If you want to uninstall it, do it. |
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| 15:08.09 | jonaskoelker | peej: the implied operation is to install, right? |
| 15:08.20 | N0S3 | ahh |
| 15:08.49 | N0S3 | beardy: peej: ok ok |
| 15:08.56 | jonaskoelker | (and I meant shift-space, not C-space, wrt. uim, but whatever) |
| 15:09.35 | Kakihara | stew: I've tried linux26 with sarge and it can't detect my drive. I've got a Dell XPS M170 laptop and lspci reveals that the disk controller is "Intel Corp. 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 03)" |
| 15:09.43 | peej | jonaskoelker: well, that's what apt barfed on. It'll be one of the things it depends upon if I am reading it right. Something to do with libXft.so.2. You can then go down to the level of the dpkg script and see where it barfs there, and *maybe* it'll be obvious what to correct as a band aid measure. |
| 15:09.48 | Shadda | wee, more problems. Okay, I got eth0 up, and I can now ping my gateway/computers on the network--but nothing outside the router |
| 15:09.54 | Shadda | wondering what I'm forgetting here |
| 15:09.58 | stew | Kakihara: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 15:10.11 | Shadda | ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.145 up ; route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 15:10.14 | peej | Shadda: route add default gw router? |
| 15:10.22 | Shadda | got that |
| 15:10.22 | Kakihara | stew: doing it, thanks |
| 15:10.31 | peej | Shadda: resolv.conf? |
| 15:10.34 | jonaskoelker | peej: do you think I could also just manually `rollback' to the set of pkgs I had before? |
| 15:10.48 | Shadda | aahh |
| 15:11.05 | jonaskoelker | peej: not that I mind being a test person and all, I just want to be able to predict what my box will and will not do |
| 15:11.23 | Shadda | peej, thanks, never would have thought of that |
| 15:11.24 | peej | jonaskoelker : probably if your system is not a mixture of stable/testing/unstable. |
| 15:11.47 | peej | Shadda: test by seeing if numerical ip pings work. |
| 15:11.57 | Shadda | peej, aye, Its up |
| 15:12.06 | Shadda | apt-getting my kernel :) |
| 15:12.08 | Shadda | Thanks |
| 15:12.45 | zamaliphe | how to creat a grub gfxmenu /message file ???? |
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| 15:13.14 | zamaliphe | any idea ???? |
| 15:13.39 | fluxdude | could somebody advise me as to the speed difference between local SCSI disks and an ISCSI san? |
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| 15:13.53 | jonaskoelker | peej: Great. I run testing only (have subscribed to stable too, but preferred testing) |
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| 15:14.23 | javiolo | anyone knows a free mail accounts like gmail ? |
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| 15:14.36 | javiolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.39 | fluxdude | gigabit ethernet iSCSI san that is... |
| 15:14.53 | jonaskoelker | javiolo: try nerdshack |
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| 15:15.10 | stew | fluxdude: you might try #hardware |
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| 15:15.19 | Detox_BRB | I have read as much as I can find regarding a graphical login page with debian. KDE did not isntall correctly and I an reinstalling via snaptic, once that is working should I get a graphic login page? |
| 15:15.26 | peej | jonaskoelker : then an apt-get remove whatever will bring things back I think. Haven't really tried that sort of thing really - I bloody-mindedly try to force things into working ;-) |
| 15:15.38 | jonaskoelker | javiolo: you might want to set up a forwarding account if you don't have one. Sourceforge will give you one for free, but it'll filter spam --- and you can't read what they say is spam (AFAICT) |
| 15:15.43 | Flexy | does anyone have MSI K7D Master-L motherboard? I need someone to help me with getting the working eeprom contents of the built in e100 network interface... |
| 15:15.53 | stew | Detox_BRB: if you install the "kde" metapacakge, you will get kdm which is a graphical login manager that is kde oriented |
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| 15:15.59 | stridr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.10 | junix|work | is there something wrong ith alsa in unstable, i can't play music anymore |
| 15:16.18 | SammyTheSnake | has anyone successfully used the Resize & Rotate extension of X? I'm trying to get it to work using the KDE widget or by using xrandr from the CLI but I'm being told the only possible rotation is "normal" i.e. none. Do I need to install another package to enable this facility? |
| 15:16.27 | Detox_BRB | ok that should be part of the kde stuff I selected in synaptic right? |
| 15:16.44 | javiolo | jonaskoelker I have a imap account, so I want another account to send mails to my imap account |
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| 15:17.14 | jonaskoelker | javiolo: uhh... so what you want is a forwarding account? |
| 15:17.14 | Terat0gen | ok |
| 15:17.18 | Terat0gen | this "Rent" movie is gay |
| 15:17.20 | Terat0gen | I'm turning it off |
| 15:17.35 | Detox_BRB | have a slooowwwww dsl connection so when it finally finishes, I will ask you folks to double check sequences needed ook? |
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| 15:17.46 | javiolo | jonaskoelker yep, Im using spymac but now they are closing the free accounts |
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| 15:18.00 | javiolo | and I dont want to use a gmail account... |
| 15:18.09 | peej | junix|work : using what to play it? |
| 15:18.16 | kspath | javiolo: use gmail! |
| 15:18.25 | junix|work | peej: xmms |
| 15:18.36 | junix|work | peej: i'm on 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 15:18.41 | javiolo | kspath Ive read some bad things about gmail... |
| 15:18.46 | kspath | good |
| 15:18.50 | kspath | read more |
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| 15:19.28 | jonaskoelker | javiolo: as I said, sourceforge |
| 15:19.34 | jonaskoelker | javiolo: giyf |
| 15:19.42 | junix|work | peej: ?? |
| 15:19.46 | stew | junix|work: if you are on unstable, you should consider trying a 2.6 kernel. do you get an error? or just silence? |
| 15:19.57 | javiolo | jonaskoelker giyf ? :P |
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| 15:20.24 | peej | junix|work : sound modules up? |
| 15:20.26 | junix|work | stew: i get an error saying that it can't open the audio |
| 15:20.30 | junix|work | peej: yes |
| 15:20.42 | peej | junix|work : you just did a kernel upgrade ? |
| 15:20.45 | stew | junix|work: what sound card? are you sure the module is loaded? |
| 15:20.50 | junix|work | stew: i can't use a 2.6 kernel my computer locks up while using vmware |
| 15:21.05 | Lin | junix|work: use qemu! |
| 15:21.15 | Lin | junix|work: how are you going pal? |
| 15:21.15 | junix|work | stew: i guess it isn't loaded |
| 15:21.21 | junix|work | huuh?? |
| 15:21.21 | javiolo | jonaskoelker giyf ? :P |
| 15:21.23 | peej | junix|work : or xen! |
| 15:21.23 | kspath | if you keep donig that with vmware you will go blind |
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| 15:21.29 | javiolo | what does it means |
| 15:21.34 | jonaskoelker | javiolo: google is your friend |
| 15:21.41 | stew | !info alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-686 unstable |
| 15:21.43 | dpkg | alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-686: (ALSA modules for kernel 2.4.27-2-686), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.10+1 (sid), Packaged size: 1472 kB, Installed size: 4296 kB |
| 15:21.58 | javiolo | our friend |
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| 15:22.46 | junix|work | stew: the modules weren't loaded |
| 15:22.47 | junix|work | thanks |
| 15:23.13 | junix|work | i would use Xen if i knew it better |
| 15:23.22 | allard | Hello all, I'm trying to preseed /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 15:23.32 | allard | quit |
| 15:23.42 | stew | junix|work: make sure you have hotplug installed and not udev. you should add the module name to /etc/modules |
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| 15:23.49 | junix|work | ok |
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| 15:24.02 | junix|work | stew: remove udev? |
| 15:24.30 | stew | junix|work: yes, udev wont do anything for you, it requires at least a 2.6.13 kernel. you'll want hotplug instead |
| 15:24.37 | junix|work | ok |
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| 15:24.40 | javiolo | jonaskoelker sourceforge isnt that for creating projects ? |
| 15:24.47 | crypt_ex | I am tryingto get a joystick working from the gameport, I have installed 'joystick' package and also done modprobe joydev how no /dev/js file is created? |
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| 15:24.52 | Lorvija | Hey, I'm trying to connect my windows and debian machine together in LAN through hub but when I put both cables one coming from the debian box and another coming from the windows box in to the hub lights come up only with the windows cable... so what could be wrong? |
| 15:24.53 | SammyTheSnake | has anyone successfully used the Resize & Rotate extension of X? I'm trying to get it to work using the KDE widget or by using xrandr from the CLI but I'm being told the only possible rotation is "normal" i.e. none. Do I need to install another package to enable this facility? |
| 15:25.04 | junix|work | stew: i'm gonna reboot thanks!! |
| 15:25.14 | Lorvija | I've configured manually the ip etc for debian and eth0 seems to be up according to ifconfig |
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| 15:25.59 | jonaskoelker | javiolo: yeah, it is |
| 15:26.05 | romulo | hi, theres any app on apt that i can use to convert my mp3 bitrate? |
| 15:26.05 | jonaskoelker | javiolo: but they offer email forwarding too |
| 15:26.07 | coolpix | lo |
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| 15:26.26 | hyperstream | Lorvija, if you swap the ethernet cables around does the light appare on the debian hub port? |
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| 15:27.01 | Lorvija | hyperstream nope |
| 15:27.42 | Lorvija | hyperstream wait a sec, i'll try to totally change the cables.. takes a minute |
| 15:27.43 | yggdrasil | anyone know if theres a way to edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst from windows xp ? |
| 15:28.18 | Shadda | All fixed, thanks stew, peej, et all |
| 15:29.11 | crypt_ex | I have a joystick attached to this comp but this does not appear to Debian? |
| 15:29.35 | Lorvija | hyperstream right... now the bitch works.. (: weird.. thanks |
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| 15:30.25 | SammyTheSnake | Does anyone know where I might get some help with getting the X Resize & Rotate extension to work? |
| 15:30.27 | hyperstream | nps :) |
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| 15:31.13 | TigerTjader | hi |
| 15:31.16 | TigerTjader | could someone recommend me a good program for burning a DVD image? |
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| 15:31.30 | Ftroop | k3b |
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| 15:32.11 | TigerTjader | well, it's for KDE and i'm using gnome |
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| 15:32.28 | jonaskoelker | peej: uhhmm... uninstalling libgtk2.0-bin doesn't look very appealing--that'll uninstall a *lot* of programs... |
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| 15:34.03 | _tziku | how can i activate mail() function at php4 ? (debian 3.1 stable) ? |
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| 15:34.03 | poli | I might be crazy but there used to be a coda-client and a code-server packages... anyone know what happened to them? |
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| 15:34.13 | poli | oh... they are unofficial and at cmu.edu... |
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| 15:34.58 | Flexy | does anyone have MSI K7D Master-L motherboard? I need someone to help me with getting the working eeprom contents of the built in e100 network interface... |
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| 15:37.12 | peej | jonaskoelker: so bludgeon libgtk2.0-bin into submission |
| 15:38.00 | _tziku | what email service did u recomand me ? |
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| 15:38.07 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 15:39.18 | jonaskoelker | peej: hmm... I'm a understanding what it happening the right way? AIUI, libgtk2.0-bin is "on hold", wanting to get properly installed (it tries to install every time I do an apt-get <operation>) |
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| 15:39.24 | yggdrasil | anyone know if theres a way to edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst from windows xp ? |
| 15:39.25 | jonaskoelker | peej: ... but that no harm is done |
| 15:39.25 | usn_work | bye |
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| 15:39.43 | themp | sure there are many ways |
| 15:39.45 | CaptainRedbeard | Sorry for this useless question, but what is the name of the debian package tool? |
| 15:39.50 | CaptainRedbeard | as in how do I install a debian package |
| 15:39.56 | themp | scp -r filename ipaddress:filename |
| 15:39.58 | jonaskoelker | CaptainRedbeard: apt-get install pkgname |
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| 15:40.16 | CaptainRedbeard | jonaskoelker: cheers |
| 15:40.17 | jonaskoelker | CaptainRedbeard: for instance, "apt-get install wesnoth" |
| 15:40.22 | jonaskoelker | !beer CaptainRedbeard |
| 15:40.28 | jonaskoelker | CaptainRedbeard: cheers :) |
| 15:40.33 | Shadda | Nuts to me...there an easy way to fix a superblock error...It says "Superblock last mount time is in the future", which I'm assuming is from when I mounted the disk in knoppix (some sort of time difference) |
| 15:40.39 | Shadda | how I'd fix that, I'm not sure |
| 15:41.12 | moshii | does anyone know if the libgpod in sid has artwork support? |
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| 15:41.40 | yggdrasil | anyone know if theres a way to edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst from windows xp ? |
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| 15:41.47 | peej | jonaskoelker: yup. |
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| 15:42.22 | moshii | does anyone know if the libgpod in sid has artwork support? |
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| 15:42.45 | faber2 | hi everybody |
| 15:42.49 | peej | Shadda: fsck option on unmounted system? |
| 15:42.54 | faber2 | how can i feed "tar" a long list of files to archive? |
| 15:42.59 | moshii | yggdrasil: if windows xp can read the partition it's on |
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| 15:43.57 | peej | yggdrassil : there's stuff for windows that can read and maybe edit ext2fs files from xp. Called something like ext2fs, not sure exactly |
| 15:44.12 | themp | you can run emacs on windows |
| 15:44.22 | Shadda | peej, I've run it twice now |
| 15:44.26 | am88b | faber2: tar <archive> <file1> <file2> ... <fileN> ? |
| 15:44.28 | Shadda | It says it fixes it |
| 15:44.31 | themp | no |
| 15:44.32 | Shadda | but same error on every boot |
| 15:44.35 | themp | interesting problem |
| 15:44.47 | ob1kenewb | hi, how do i check to which package a file belong under debian ? |
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| 15:44.56 | faber2 | am88b: n = 768322 in my case ;-) |
| 15:45.01 | themp | anyone notice sendmail has broken the macro's for the last few versions ? |
| 15:45.11 | abrotman | people use sendmail? |
| 15:45.13 | am88b | faber2: ah... I was thinking why you're asking so 'man' question |
| 15:45.14 | Shadda | ob1kenewb, apt-file search, perhaps? |
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| 15:45.30 | themp | abrotman tell me what else does UUCP |
| 15:45.33 | Ungy | I have a question it is not of huge importance just an annoyance I built a sarge box and upgraded to sid for my workstation (yes I am aware of sid you don;t mneed to tell me to talk to dpkg). everytime I pull up Terminal and I get a "Some: command not found" error it doesn;t do anythign but happens everytime I run a first command |
| 15:45.34 | abrotman | ob1kenewb: dpkg -S or apt-file search |
| 15:45.40 | abrotman | themp: sendmail! |
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| 15:45.44 | faber2 | am88b: the manual only talks about a list of files to extract, but not to archive |
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| 15:46.02 | abrotman | Ungy: Some? |
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| 15:46.12 | Ungy | abrotman, yes strange huh |
| 15:46.13 | peej | Shadda: is it on root? |
| 15:46.14 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:46.17 | Shadda | Superblock last mount time is in the future. Fix<y>? yes |
| 15:46.21 | Shadda | peej, yes |
| 15:46.22 | abrotman | how are you pulling up the terminal? |
| 15:46.27 | abrotman | and which terminal? |
| 15:46.31 | themp | anyways debians port of sendmail is broken because of sendmail broken macro structure |
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| 15:46.35 | Overand | ack, what am i doing in here? |
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| 15:46.46 | Ungy | abrotman via shortcut in gnome and it is gnome terminal |
| 15:46.47 | Shadda | It prompts me for my root pass, then I run fsck / |
| 15:46.58 | abrotman | Ungy: check the shortcut? |
| 15:47.05 | themp | they define MAILER in the linux.m4 and cf.m4 so FEATURES are always after MAILER which sendmail error's on |
| 15:47.07 | Shadda | prompts me to fix the error, I choose yes, it does its thing, reboots, and I get the same error |
| 15:47.09 | tzfardea | when im running programs like mplayer, xine, supertux and more i get this error: "Segmentation Fault", the problem was started when i reinstalled X because i had problem with that, what's the problem? |
| 15:47.10 | themp | what a cluster |
| 15:47.22 | themp | strace xine |
| 15:47.27 | Ungy | abrotman, "gnome-terminal --working-directory=%f" |
| 15:47.31 | themp | probably have a dependancy issue |
| 15:47.33 | GoAuLd | ungy: does it happen using another username? |
| 15:47.38 | peej | Shadda: in dmesg are you getting hints that your drive is buggered? smartd messages? |
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| 15:47.49 | Ungy | GoAuLd, yes and it happens evytime I switch usernames |
| 15:48.11 | Ungy | GoAuLd, but it doesn't affect anythign it just throws that error |
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| 15:48.33 | Shadda | peej, not that I can see, no |
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| 15:48.54 | tijn | how do i set up LDAP + PAM so i can ssh as an ldap user? |
| 15:48.54 | am88b | faber2: maybe you could create the archive, then -A(append) the list of files using xargs ? |
| 15:49.24 | Ungy | On initial it will give me "bash: Some: command not found" with any other login it gives me "-su: Some: command not found" or whatever |
| 15:49.36 | peej | Shadda: beats me then. I'd probably worry about fsck options applied to root - you tried fsck from a live cd? |
| 15:49.37 | faber2 | am88b: yeah, i thought that. but it turs out "-T" works. "man" is not verbose enough for "-T" |
| 15:49.39 | GoAuLd | Ungy: try changing the command of the shortcut and erase the "--working-directory=&f" |
| 15:49.40 | Shadda | peej, no errors from fsck |
| 15:49.43 | _tziku | anybody know if i can send mail from a server without domanain (from ip adress) to an yahoo user ? |
| 15:49.58 | peej | Shadda: maybe fsck is corrupted? |
| 15:50.01 | Shadda | peej, not from a live cd no |
| 15:50.06 | jonaskoelker | anyways, I'm out |
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| 15:50.21 | Ungy | GoAuLd, OK |
| 15:51.06 | Ungy | GoAuLd, same problem |
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| 15:51.39 | tzfardea | ok themp, i did strace mplayer, here's what i got: http://pastebin.com/570389 |
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| 15:51.42 | abrotman | tziku: not likely |
| 15:51.48 | GoAuLd | does it happen using another terminal program? |
| 15:51.54 | oskar | Anyone know how to get the error message when the kernel panics? (I get it several times a day but only when I'm in X) |
| 15:51.57 | drive-thru | ungy, sounds like somebody removed the # from a comment in your .bashrc (or /etc/bash.bashrc) |
| 15:52.22 | Ungy | drive-thru, aha good to know I will go check there |
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| 15:52.57 | Shadda | Dammit... |
| 15:52.58 | Ungy | drive-thru, bingo |
| 15:53.02 | lunaphyte_ | if i set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc to 1, what do i need to do to make that change take effect? |
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| 15:53.40 | yggdrasil | anyone know if theres a way to edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst from windows xp ? |
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| 15:53.47 | markybob | yggdrasil, you've already been told. why is it that you just dont LISTEN? |
| 15:54.03 | Ungy | drive-thru, you nailed it on the head |
| 15:54.09 | markybob | <peej> yggdrassil : there's stuff for windows that can read and maybe edit ext2fs files from xp. Called something like ext2fs, not sure exactly |
| 15:54.12 | yggdrasil | soorry i dint see ill scroll up |
| 15:54.13 | Badis | -...... |
| 15:54.17 | yggdrasil | thanks |
| 15:54.20 | yggdrasil | its ext3 |
| 15:54.21 | Shadda | aaahhhh |
| 15:54.22 | yggdrasil | :( |
| 15:54.27 | Shadda | peej, I think I found the culprit |
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| 15:54.31 | markybob | yggdrasil, GOOGLE |
| 15:54.33 | drive-thru | ungy, cool |
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| 15:55.00 | Shadda | while I was installing the new kernel image from chroot (knoppix), I noticed it updated a few things too...Seems e2fsprogs was one of the packages |
| 15:55.09 | albrizio | -join #lugtrieste |
| 15:55.22 | Ronin | albrizio: try /join |
| 15:55.37 | albrizio | thanks, sorry |
| 15:55.38 | uwe | . |
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| 15:56.25 | yggdrasil | thanks guys |
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| 15:56.39 | peej | yggdrasil : I suspect ext3 will be readable too. It's got journaling bolted on to ext2 rather than something radically different. |
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| 15:56.50 | crypt_ex | I am trying to get my joypad to work with Debian, I have installed joystick package and have also executed modprobe joydev however no device is added and no error is reported? |
| 15:57.14 | beardy | crypt_ex: What kind of joystick, gameport or usb? |
| 15:57.28 | yggdrasil | well i now how to read it |
| 15:57.33 | yggdrasil | i just done know if i can write to it |
| 15:57.37 | Shadda | hmmm how do I downgrade this mofo |
| 15:57.44 | crypt_ex | beardy, gameport, old type gamepad |
| 15:57.49 | yggdrasil | anyw way its jsut so i can reboot the dam ting into linxu remotely |
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| 15:57.54 | yggdrasil | ill jsut have my wife do it |
| 15:57.57 | beardy | yggdrasil: What's hard about using $livecd/floppy? |
| 15:58.04 | yggdrasil | im not at the box |
| 15:58.14 | yggdrasil | if i was at the box wold just reboot it |
| 15:58.15 | yggdrasil | haha |
| 15:58.17 | yggdrasil | and then choose linux |
| 15:58.19 | superlinux | who knows how to setup the penta@Net to do network connection sharing? the problem is i can download only from satellite and upload from a cisco router. please private me, thanks. |
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| 15:58.26 | markybob | yggdrasil, yes, you can. like i said, if you googled, you would've found this. it was my first link http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm |
| 15:58.28 | Shadda | anyone happen to know how I'd go about downgrading e2fsprogs ? |
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| 15:58.47 | yggdrasil | thanks marky |
| 15:58.50 | beardy | crypt_ex: Is the gameport on a soundcard? |
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| 15:58.59 | peej | yggdrasil : I think that's an older one though. |
| 15:59.20 | stew | Shadda: why do you want to? |
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| 15:59.58 | davi | Is it possible to pause a process ? |
| 16:00.12 | davi | maybe sending a signal? |
| 16:00.22 | crypt_ex | beardy, no, its from a pci slot, which has a cable which goes straight to the mobo |
| 16:00.32 | Shadda | stew: When I installed my kernel on knoppix, from chroot, it screwed up the e2fsprogs install, and now I'm getting superblock/last mount errors |
| 16:00.37 | beardy | crypt_ex: try 'modprobe gameport' |
| 16:00.42 | Shadda | I did a little digging about it, and the solution seems to be a downgrade |
| 16:00.43 | crypt_ex | okay |
| 16:00.49 | Ronin | Shadda: you should try #knoppix theyd know best |
| 16:00.56 | Shadda | Ronin, no no...I'm not running knoppix |
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| 16:01.02 | Shadda | I was using it to fix something |
| 16:01.07 | Ronin | ahh |
| 16:01.21 | Shadda | ...which, consequently screwed something else up :) |
| 16:01.26 | peej | davi: ctrl z? |
| 16:01.44 | crypt_ex | beardy, still no js0 in /dev/ or /dev/input :( |
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| 16:01.47 | davi | peej, I have lost the it terminal |
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| 16:02.08 | Shadda | I checked the date on a cached copy of e2fsprogs |
| 16:02.12 | Shadda | dec 13th |
| 16:02.19 | Shadda | but I can't install it with dpkg :P |
| 16:02.23 | tekonivel | hello you lot. apt tells me "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!". since then i've installed debian-archive-keyring and ran "apt-key update". should this solve it? |
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| 16:02.24 | davi | peej, what signal does Ctrl+Z send to the process ? |
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| 16:03.11 | markybob | !2006 key |
| 16:03.11 | dpkg | 2006 key is probably apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 16:03.12 | stridr | tekonivel: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 16:03.13 | peej | davi: dunno. it suspends though. Try man 7 signals |
| 16:03.17 | stew | Shadda: you can try apt-get install e2fsprogs=version |
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| 16:03.30 | davi | peej, thanks. SIGINT 2 Term Interrupt from keyboard |
| 16:03.47 | tekonivel | markybob, stridrid: cheers |
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| 16:04.03 | crypt_ex | beardy, just looking through modconf |
| 16:04.16 | beardy | crypt_ex: Perhaps your gameport is not supported then. Is it listed with lspci? |
| 16:04.30 | Shadda | stew, thats harder than it sounds...I'm currently stuck in "maintenance" shell |
| 16:04.32 | tekonivel | i read about that on the net, but those instruction had no mention of the debian-archive-keyring. so i kind of figured it would replace this gpg-routine |
| 16:04.37 | Shadda | I can't get past the fsck error |
| 16:04.54 | stew | Shadda: fsck it from knoppix |
| 16:04.54 | crypt_ex | beardy, checking |
| 16:04.57 | Shadda | stew, k |
| 16:05.12 | superlinux | who knows how to setup the penta@Net to do network connection sharing? the problem is i can download only from satellite and upload from a cisco router. please private me, thanks. |
| 16:05.41 | abrotman | wtf is penta@net ? |
| 16:05.48 | yggdrasil | ok guys ive got a nother question.. im using my svideo out of my box and i installed a new kernel with frambuffer support and now i cant see anytyhing on my tv like after it boots past grub.. is there a grub setting to force it into that mode ? |
| 16:05.48 | superlinux | DVB card |
| 16:05.56 | abrotman | wtf is dvb? |
| 16:06.00 | tekonivel | and my apt it 0.6.43.3 |
| 16:06.08 | yggdrasil | im doing dvb stuff stoo super |
| 16:06.13 | superlinux | it's used as a network card |
| 16:06.14 | disposable | on etch (curent update) when i install and try to run krusader, it gives me just kde crash handler and SIGSERV. anybody knows how to sort it out? |
| 16:06.15 | crypt_ex | beardy, nothing listed there resembling a gameport :( |
| 16:06.22 | abrotman | so why not just setup your own router? |
| 16:06.22 | superlinux | but for satellite |
| 16:06.22 | yggdrasil | i use mine to watch tv though |
| 16:06.23 | yggdrasil | haha |
| 16:06.28 | peej | tekonivel: go to debian-adminstration.org and read up about package verification. |
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| 16:06.36 | abrotman | disposable: check the bts? |
| 16:06.42 | beardy | crypt_ex: If it's not even found, it will be hard getting it to work. Are you sure it's not part of some onboard soundcard? |
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| 16:06.48 | disposable | abrotman: wtf bts? |
| 16:06.54 | markybob | !bts |
| 16:06.54 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 16:06.56 | abrotman | !btssmite disposable |
| 16:07.14 | crypt_ex | beardy, might be this 0000:00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) |
| 16:07.38 | tekonivel | sorry for being such a llame sod ;) |
| 16:07.41 | superlinux | abrotman, can u help me with that cos i dont know how to setup routing on linux |
| 16:07.44 | beardy | crypt_ex: Probably yes. |
| 16:07.48 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 16:07.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 16:07.59 | crypt_ex | beardy, how would I use this then? |
| 16:07.59 | markybob | !ask |
| 16:08.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:08.05 | peej | yggdrasil : I think http://www.theprogrammer.org/software/Ext2IFS.php is what you want. Not free as in freedom. |
| 16:08.07 | abrotman | superlinux: ^^ .. there should be enough at those iptables sites to read |
| 16:08.09 | superlinux | !iptables |
| 16:08.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 16:08.19 | abrotman | !tell superlinux about iptables |
| 16:08.21 | beardy | crypt_ex: Do you have sound? |
| 16:08.43 | crypt_ex | Yea sound works fine. |
| 16:09.07 | beardy | crypt_ex: Which module is it using for the sound? |
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| 16:10.04 | tekonivel | peej: i did, but i didn't quite understand how debian-archive-keyring fits all that. if i've got it installed, have i not achieved what that gpg-routine does |
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| 16:10.30 | Estes2 | Hi everyone :) i want to prevent my servers from keeping history (bash), I don't remeber how to do this, could anyhow point me to some ressource please ? |
| 16:10.32 | crypt_ex | beardy, snd_cmipci, and when I lsmod I also see the line gameport 14024 1 snd_cmipci |
| 16:10.32 | crypt_ex | ? |
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| 16:10.52 | rhachey | need help can`t play DVD ???? |
| 16:11.03 | markybob | rhachey, get libdvdcss2 from marillat |
| 16:11.08 | crypt_ex | beardy, there are quite a few modules loaded, could snd? |
| 16:11.27 | rhachey | i think i do have that installed |
| 16:11.28 | airox | Estes2: chmod 000 ~/.bash_history |
| 16:11.33 | crypt_ex | even one called soundcore beardy |
| 16:11.34 | airox | Estes2: but there should be a cleaner way |
| 16:11.46 | Estes2 | airox, yes there's a cleaner way |
| 16:11.57 | rhachey | and what is marillat web site ??? |
| 16:12.00 | markybob | rhachey, think? do you or not? dpkg -l 'libdvdcss2' |
| 16:12.02 | markybob | !marillat |
| 16:12.02 | dpkg | i heard marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> |
| 16:12.11 | crypt_ex | beardy, http://pastebin.com/570414 |
| 16:12.11 | tekonivel | Estes2: define HISTSIZE to 0 |
| 16:12.25 | Estes2 | tekonivel, ok, thanks :) |
| 16:12.52 | beardy | crypt_ex: snd_cmipci was what I meant |
| 16:12.57 | tekonivel | Estes2: in your .bash_profile, .profile or whatever |
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| 16:13.05 | Estes2 | oki, thanks :) |
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| 16:13.30 | beardy | crypt_ex: Seems a bit troublesome, that card and it's gameport.. google CM8738 gameport and see for yourself. |
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| 16:13.40 | crypt_ex | snd_cmipci 30496 1 |
| 16:13.47 | crypt_ex | okay thanks |
| 16:13.54 | yggdrasil | peej thanks |
| 16:14.07 | yggdrasil | i got it dealt with |
| 16:14.11 | beardy | crypt_ex: Which kernel are you running? |
| 16:14.35 | crypt_ex | beardy, 2.6.15 |
| 16:14.54 | rhachey | debian:~# dpkg -l libdvdcss2 |
| 16:14.54 | rhachey | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 16:14.54 | rhachey | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 16:14.54 | rhachey | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
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| 16:14.59 | yggdrasil | ok guys ive got a nother question.. im using my svideo out of my box and i installed a new kernel with frambuffer support and now i cant see anytyhing on my tv like after it boots past grub.. is there a grub setting to force it into that mode ? |
| 16:15.20 | peej | yggdrasil: what video card? |
| 16:15.28 | yggdrasil | nvidia mx 400 |
| 16:15.46 | yggdrasil | when i first installed it did console out to the sivedoe |
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| 16:16.03 | beardy | yggdrasil: AFAIK you can only have X output to tvout. |
| 16:16.06 | beardy | yggdrasil: really? |
| 16:16.10 | yggdrasil | yea |
| 16:16.14 | Ungy | I have a kernel installed that I want to remove via apt-get but I can't determine the name shoudl I just dpkg it and use the debs name or is ther ea way I can search what it's name is |
| 16:16.21 | markybob | !tvout nvidia |
| 16:16.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tvout nvidia is getting X on your tvout of your nvida card d you need to have the nvidia driver installed (ask nvidia) and read /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README and example script |
| 16:16.22 | yggdrasil | it was working great and actualy i f go back to that old kernel its still doesing it |
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| 16:16.55 | yggdrasil | thanks |
| 16:16.55 | beardy | Ungy: Run aptitude, search kernel-image, \ to advance. |
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| 16:17.09 | Detox | hello folks,, re-installing kde via snaptic did the trick for the graphical login page thanks for the help |
| 16:17.13 | yggdrasil | theres seom grub thing to switch the framebuffer |
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| 16:17.30 | rhachey | hello |
| 16:17.41 | Detox | last question,,, to change default windowmanager,, say to xfce , etc,,, how do i do that? |
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| 16:17.51 | peej | Ok, I have sablevm. How do I make firefox handle java now? |
| 16:18.10 | beardy | Ungy: Or /msg dpkg list all packages, do one of them and | grep kernel-image |
| 16:18.12 | rhachey | do i have to add to apt ???? to receive libdvdcss2 ??? or there is another way |
| 16:18.22 | stew | peej: install a non-free jre with java-package /msg dpkg java-package |
| 16:18.28 | beardy | rhachey: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 16:18.42 | markybob | rhachey, add the line to sources.list. and for the love of all that is pure and holy, use only one punctuation mark |
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| 16:18.49 | peej | stew: I wanna avoid non-free. <wail!> |
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| 16:18.59 | bhundven | iptables works for me |
| 16:19.02 | stew | peej: there are no free mozilla java plugins |
| 16:19.19 | peej | stew: argh! I hate my government! |
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| 16:19.25 | markybob | peej move |
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| 16:19.34 | beardy | Ungy: dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}' | grep kernel-image |
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| 16:20.05 | stew | peej: join #sablevm and see how you can help provide the missing java plugin |
| 16:20.11 | peej | too late! here come the cops! eeeeep! |
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| 16:20.30 | tekonivel | ACAB |
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| 16:20.34 | Ungy | beardy, cool thanks got it |
| 16:20.35 | sm00f | group, gid question, can i (incestually) add a group into another group? |
| 16:20.55 | stew | sm00f: no |
| 16:21.18 | sm00f | stew, can i give multiple groups permissions to one directory? |
| 16:21.49 | tekonivel | sm00f: not really, unless you use ACLs |
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| 16:22.02 | stew | sm00f: nope |
| 16:22.11 | sm00f | stew, final question, im setting up complex samba shares, and what i would perfer to do is have a master share, and secure through linux groups, is this practical? |
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| 16:22.25 | sm00f | secure the sub directories through linux groups |
| 16:22.49 | tekonivel | bye |
| 16:23.11 | stew | sm00f: i'm not sure about how to get samba using linux permissions, ask #samba |
| 16:23.12 | oleen | i'm trying to mount a usb hd, but i don't know the correct device. lsusb returns "Bus 003 Device 002" for the hard drive. |
| 16:23.26 | stew | oleen: is it listed when you run "fdisk -l" ? |
| 16:23.30 | Ungy | what is the command to set default for gnome browser? |
| 16:23.44 | stew | oleen: do you have the usb-storage and sd_mod modules loaded? |
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| 16:24.06 | beardy | !usb mount |
| 16:24.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, usb mount is script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html, or apt-get install usbmount |
| 16:24.08 | RvGaTe | hellooo |
| 16:24.10 | RvGaTe | :) |
| 16:24.14 | oleen | stew: fdisk -l returns nothing |
| 16:24.32 | beardy | !gnomebrowser |
| 16:24.32 | dpkg | To change the default web browser in gnome (and other default applications) run gnome-default-applications-properties in an xterm. Also ask me about "x-www-browser" and "www-browser" |
| 16:24.49 | beardy | Ungy: ^^^ |
| 16:24.52 | oleen | stew: loaded them know. fdisk -l still nothing. and /dev/sda1 is mounted as "/" |
| 16:25.01 | yggdrasil | so think if i edit the grub and add vga=786 it should get me some framebuffer |
| 16:25.03 | RvGaTe | Question: i think my crontab isn't working correctly, how can i test/see this to confirm it... |
| 16:25.05 | yggdrasil | cant be sure though ;( |
| 16:25.07 | crypt_ex | modprobe is to add a device from a module, how do I remove a device though? |
| 16:25.20 | stew | crypt_ex: modprobe -r |
| 16:25.39 | crypt_ex | stew, thanks |
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| 16:26.08 | beardy | RvGaTe: Let it try to run what you want it to, if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. |
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| 16:26.22 | Shadda | okay, so....not going well |
| 16:26.23 | RvGaTe | beardy: ok, then its broke |
| 16:26.26 | RvGaTe | :) |
| 16:26.39 | crypt_ex | stew, says module is in use though? |
| 16:26.40 | beardy | RvGaTe: Paste it in a pastebin? |
| 16:26.54 | beardy | RvGaTe: Or be more specific. |
| 16:26.59 | Shadda | I ran fsck from knoppix...rebooted to sarge, no change. So I went back into knoppix, chrooted, ran dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/e2fsprogs.....deb |
| 16:26.59 | RvGaTe | beardy: crontab config ? or the crontab entry ? |
| 16:27.02 | Shadda | rebooted |
| 16:27.03 | Shadda | same deal |
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| 16:27.18 | Shadda | same @$%^&* superblock error |
| 16:27.18 | beardy | RvGaTe: Whatever that is failing. |
| 16:27.33 | stew | crypt_ex: you have to kill the processes which are using it then |
| 16:27.50 | Ungy | How do I turn numlock on as a default |
| 16:28.00 | double_c | Shadda: tried using an alternate superblock? |
| 16:28.12 | crypt_ex | stew, ah |
| 16:28.13 | crypt_ex | thanks |
| 16:28.38 | Shadda | double_c, eh? |
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| 16:29.18 | double_c | Shadda: there are multiple superblocks on a volume, e2fsck can be instructed to use a different one if the first is corrupted |
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| 16:31.16 | sorpigal | I must not understand udev. Why does udev conflict with hotplug? I thought they were complementary. What breaks if I let udev remove hotplug? |
| 16:31.23 | Kakihara | stew: are you around? |
| 16:31.42 | bhundven | Ungy: I would look around in /etc/defaults |
| 16:31.48 | Ungy | sorpigal, well udev keeps telling me to purge hotplug but hotplug isn't installed |
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| 16:32.16 | stew | sorpigal: udev in testing / unstable now provides all fo the hotplug functionality so hotplug is no longer needed if you use udev. you shouldn't lose any functionality but you might need to move firmware onto the / partition |
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| 16:32.28 | markybob | Ungy, but is it purged? there's a difference |
| 16:32.28 | stew | Ungy: so purge it |
| 16:32.43 | Ungy | how do I purge a package that is no longer installed? |
| 16:32.49 | yggdrasil | whats a good like desktop manager ? |
| 16:32.51 | markybob | dpkg -P foo |
| 16:32.52 | stew | Ungy: dpkg -P packagename |
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| 16:33.04 | RvGaTe | beardy: found the problem, wasn't using a complete path to the command |
| 16:33.24 | stew | yggdrasil: try a bunch and see what you like, the most popular are kde / gnome / xfce4 |
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| 16:33.29 | Ungy | stew, ahh but you have ot have the package somewher for it to know what to purge right? |
| 16:33.40 | yggdrasil | not window manager |
| 16:33.40 | sm00f | how do i add group permissions to a folder |
| 16:33.42 | yggdrasil | desktop manager |
| 16:33.49 | stew | Ungy: no |
| 16:33.55 | Ungy | stew ok then |
| 16:34.03 | markybob | sm00f, man chown and man chmod |
| 16:34.06 | stew | Ungy: you still have the /var/lib/dpkg/info/hotplug.conffiles which is what it needs to purge |
| 16:34.19 | Ungy | ahh OK |
| 16:34.20 | beardy | Ungy: man setleds, the Example |
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| 16:35.07 | beardy | RvGaTe: I see. |
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| 16:35.40 | bykte | what files should i find to edit the 127.0.0.1 resolve mask? |
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| 16:36.00 | beardy | bykte: /etc/hosts ? |
| 16:36.11 | Ts0p | bykte ./etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:36.18 | Kakihara | stew: the custom sarge installation you showed me earlier isn't automatically detecting my cd-rom - is this to be expected? I've only done netinst before |
| 16:36.26 | bykte | ah thank you very much!~ yup |
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| 16:37.02 | stew | Kakihara: no, that is not to be expected, what interface does the cdrom use? |
| 16:37.30 | Kakihara | stew: I'll just pull up my lspci record.... |
| 16:37.46 | Ungy | beardy trying numlockx |
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| 16:38.06 | stew | Kakihara: lspci isn't going to tell you if your cdrom is IDE/SATA/SCSI |
| 16:38.36 | stew | Kakihara: are you saying it's not recognizing the CDROM that it is booted from? |
| 16:38.37 | kspath | hwinfo, lspci, lsusb,... |
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| 16:39.29 | beardy | Ungy: For X, that's probably the right thing yes. |
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| 16:41.28 | sushimako | (debian sid) i want to remove all the gnome desktop packages that aren't necessary for running gnome(gtk) applications. how can i achieve this? |
| 16:41.49 | yggdrasil | a desktop manager allows you to select your windows manager session so it loads up fisrst in x and then allows you to choose like kde or gnome... |
| 16:42.05 | streuner | sushimako: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 16:42.12 | sushimako | ths |
| 16:42.28 | Ungy | Thanks for the help folks I am out peace |
| 16:42.57 | sushimako | streuner, but will i be able to run gtk applications after that command? |
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| 16:43.18 | mykhi | hi, anyone know how to install lame on debian? |
| 16:43.22 | Kakihara | stew: I'm not sure I see it on the list. I've pasted the results from lspci here if you'v egot a mo to have a look: http://rafb.net/paste/results/t70JtK22.html |
| 16:43.25 | markybob | !lame |
| 16:43.25 | dpkg | i heard lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
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| 16:43.54 | shark_atlantis | Hi every body |
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| 16:44.56 | Kakihara | stew: ah sorry.. the cd-rom is an IDE. I thought you wanted to know the controller. It can't recognise the cd-rom drive that I'm booting from |
| 16:45.28 | jair | hello guys... :) |
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| 16:47.04 | Kakihara | stew: it's a TSSTcorp DVD+RW TS-L532B drive. |
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| 16:49.58 | Ts0p | how can i configer linksys wireless-B pcmcia card 2.4GH 802.11b WPC11 ver.4 to work in debian p[lease |
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| 16:50.35 | markybob | Ts0p, http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/ |
| 16:50.39 | adii | Ts0p, you may first check if the device is recognized by madwifi |
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| 16:50.53 | roler | How many days/months do you think it will be before debian releases the gnome 2.14 for debian testing after it comes out on march 15th (I think) ? |
| 16:51.15 | markybob | roler, about five months and three weeks |
| 16:51.24 | roler | heh |
| 16:51.34 | markybob | roler, i wasnt being funny. 2.12 just recently got in |
| 16:51.44 | abrotman | markybob: but it was held up by kde |
| 16:51.49 | roler | markybob, how long was 2.12 out? |
| 16:51.53 | markybob | abrotman, dont ruin things for me, man ;) |
| 16:51.57 | Shadda | yay, I fixed it |
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| 16:52.02 | Ftroop | hi any ideas where i can get the kernel source for 2.6.15-1-k7 cant find it on apt :( |
| 16:52.06 | roler | markybob, ; i'm just trying to see, i'm anxious for it :) |
| 16:52.09 | Shadda | Had to -upgrade- e2fsprogs instead |
| 16:52.12 | abrotman | roler: it depends .. there's no way to be sure .. RC bugs will keep it out of testing/etch |
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| 16:52.17 | Ts0p | adii how can i do that |
| 16:52.32 | thingfish | Ftroop: look for linux-source-2.6.15 |
| 16:52.35 | adii | check madwifi on google, then look on the "supported device" section |
| 16:52.48 | abrotman | !madwifi |
| 16:52.48 | dpkg | madwifi is probably at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or #madwifi, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
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| 16:53.10 | foksAFK | bye |
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| 16:53.22 | stew | Kakihara: i dunno, you don't seem to have a pata controller there, only a very new sata controller. i wouldnt' be suprised that things aren't working perfectly with it yet. and i dont' really have any experience with sata |
| 16:53.26 | beardy | !tell net-installing -about root |
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| 16:53.38 | roler | SIGH! |
| 16:53.47 | markybob | !why |
| 16:53.47 | dpkg | Because! |
| 16:53.48 | roler | It looks like gnome 2.12 was released on Sept 7 2005 |
| 16:54.00 | roler | So I got my hopes up for nothing. gosh darn it |
| 16:54.04 | markybob | roler, just wait, man. what's your hurry? what do you so badly need from 2.14? |
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| 16:54.48 | roler | markybob, ; I liked the speed up as well as the edge resistance, and the 3D desktop stuff beginning to happen. - while I know xorg defaultly doesn't support that |
| 16:54.49 | abrotman | roler: i already said .. gnome2.12 was held up by kde ... somehow .. |
| 16:54.57 | thingfish | I'm getting a little tired too, of having to use rather old software. |
| 16:55.10 | abrotman | thingfish: on woody still ? |
| 16:55.24 | Ts0p | adii:i cant find the supported section |
| 16:55.32 | abrotman | Ts0p: ask #wireless |
| 16:55.34 | thingfish | Software moves ahead for a reason, and there's nothing wrong with wanting to be current. |
| 16:55.39 | thingfish | hehe abrotman. |
| 16:55.43 | adii | "supported device" ? |
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| 16:56.20 | roler | well thanks guys |
| 16:56.25 | roler | i'll be patient :) |
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| 16:57.14 | LightAngel | what argument should I use in order to install debian on a SATA disk? |
| 16:57.18 | adii | Ts0p how do you intend to install something in linux when you aren't able to find a website i've found in 1 sec with google typing what i've told you* |
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| 16:57.32 | shygrrl | its stable :) |
| 16:57.40 | adii | Ts0p, http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi-hw.htm |
| 16:57.43 | beardy | !sns syndrome |
| 16:57.43 | dpkg | it has been said that sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 16:57.45 | abrotman | LightAngel: what controller? |
| 16:57.55 | shygrrl | what are you going to be doing with said sata disk? |
| 16:58.02 | abrotman | LightAngel: and what installer? |
| 16:58.18 | roler | hahahaha |
| 16:58.23 | LightAngel | abrotman well the problem is that I'm a beginner and I don't know the controller... |
| 16:58.36 | shygrrl | i was one of the admins for slashdot back in the day.. i can attest to that |
| 16:58.39 | *** part/#debian linac (n=lin@125.213.47.239) |
| 16:58.48 | Ts0p | addii: isn't this room to help people..... if you don't want to help simply keep ur opinion to ur self ...thank you |
| 16:58.49 | abrotman | LightAngel: you should have specs somewhere |
| 16:58.53 | abrotman | !ur |
| 16:58.53 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 16:59.05 | beardy | !room |
| 16:59.05 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 16:59.07 | LightAngel | it's a dell optiplex gx620. lemme google a little |
| 16:59.15 | roler | ok i gotta get to work thanks again :) |
| 16:59.20 | abrotman | probably a CERC pile of crap |
| 16:59.27 | shygrrl | what type of sata card? |
| 16:59.43 | Ronin | LightAngel: hit the dell support site it will tell you |
| 16:59.53 | LightAngel | Ronin I'm there, searching |
| 17:00.11 | adii | Ts0p : helping doesn't mean making work for lazy people so far |
| 17:00.13 | LightAngel | Serial ATA II Ready, nope, not this one.. |
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| 17:00.32 | beardy | Ts0p: You got help, now apply it. |
| 17:00.35 | shygrrl | can someone recommened an X irc client that allows me to tile windows? |
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| 17:00.49 | abrotman | shygrrl: i don't think any allow you do ... that i'm aware of anyways |
| 17:00.51 | LightAngel | bla bla bla, nope, they don't say what sata controller it has... |
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| 17:01.00 | abrotman | i guess you could detach from xchat .. try it that way |
| 17:01.07 | abrotman | LightAngel: what installer are you using? |
| 17:01.12 | abrotman | LightAngel: and did you try the linux26 option? |
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| 17:01.36 | Ronin | LightAngel: whats the service tag number? |
| 17:01.36 | LightAngel | abrotman I tried just the "normal" installation (like just hit enter lol) |
| 17:01.37 | shygrrl | i miss xircon :) that was truly a great irc client |
| 17:01.47 | nixie | xircon for life |
| 17:01.49 | abrotman | LightAngel: try tpying 'linux26' then hit enter |
| 17:02.04 | LightAngel | ok, I'm still searching for the specs |
| 17:02.21 | abrotman | LightAngel: if you give Ronin the service tag .. he might be able to find it faster .. he's a dell junkie |
| 17:02.30 | Ronin | heh |
| 17:02.42 | kspath | I see what some of you all mean by AOLisms creeping into people and things. It is quite creepy. But lol is not an AOLism. :-P~ |
| 17:02.42 | abrotman | does the truth hurt? |
| 17:02.42 | Ronin | dell slave is more like it |
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| 17:02.49 | LightAngel | ah, just a sec to look under the table :P |
| 17:02.52 | weed | hello |
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| 17:03.00 | nixie | shygrrl: you could always run xircon in WINE :) |
| 17:03.21 | LightAngel | 4NGRP1J <- service tag |
| 17:03.22 | abrotman | shygrrl: apt-cache search irc client |
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| 17:03.53 | WEED | HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 17:03.57 | abrotman | we saw you .. |
| 17:04.01 | WEED | ANYONE CANT HELP MEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 17:04.06 | markybob | WEED, stop that. |
| 17:04.10 | markybob | !ask |
| 17:04.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:04.13 | WEED | stop you |
| 17:04.15 | WEED | bah |
| 17:04.20 | shygrrl | what is it with people today |
| 17:04.22 | WEED | help me with the shit ubuntu |
| 17:04.25 | bobbens | weekend |
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| 17:04.27 | kspath | !tell WEED about ask |
| 17:04.27 | abrotman | WEED: go to #ubuntu |
| 17:04.32 | kspath | !tell WEED about enter |
| 17:04.34 | Ronin | LightAngel: refresh my old head what you info you need? |
| 17:04.35 | kspath | !tell WEED about clue |
| 17:04.37 | WEED | thanks lammer |
| 17:04.38 | shygrrl | weed: ask stallman |
| 17:04.42 | abrotman | Ronin: sata controller type |
| 17:04.48 | Ronin | thanks abrotman |
| 17:05.01 | LightAngel | thanks folks, u'r very nice and helpfull!:) |
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| 17:05.13 | kspath | !tell WEED about ubuntu |
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| 17:05.22 | abrotman | !u |
| 17:05.22 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:05.24 | abrotman | !ur |
| 17:05.24 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 17:05.24 | LightAngel | ah, btw, do you think I'll have problems with my video and sound? |
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| 17:05.47 | abrotman | LightAngel: did you try the linux26 option yet? |
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| 17:06.08 | Ronin | LightAngel: you sure its got sata drives? hummm |
| 17:06.20 | LightAngel | Ronin lol...yeah...100% sure :P |
| 17:06.41 | LightAngel | Hard Drive 40GB4, 80GB4, 160GB4 and 250GB4 7200RPM Serial ATA or Serial ATA II and 80GB 10K RPM Serial ATA |
| 17:06.51 | LightAngel | javascript:winopen('http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/optix/en/spec_optix_gx520-gx620_en.pdf','popup575x600','WIDTH=575,HEIGHT=600,RESIZABLE=YES,SCROLLBARS=YES,TOOLBAR=NO,LEFT=0,TOP=20'); |
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| 17:06.55 | LightAngel | damn, sowy |
| 17:07.19 | LightAngel | http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/optix/en/spec_optix_gx520-gx620_en.pdf <- specs |
| 17:07.21 | Ronin | LightAngel: http://pastebin.com/570489 |
| 17:07.23 | adii | how can i kill a survivor program ? "ps ax" returns : ' 14211 ? Ds 533:37 ./stuff ' |
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| 17:07.48 | adii | killall stuff and kill 14211 won't remove it from ps ax list |
| 17:07.49 | LightAngel | adii like kill -9 PID? |
| 17:07.49 | _virus | :^p |
| 17:07.59 | adii | LightAngel, how do i know it's " -9 " ? is there a list of signals somewhere ? |
| 17:08.07 | markybob | adii, man kill |
| 17:08.10 | LightAngel | adii sure, try man kill :) |
| 17:08.32 | sky0 | adii "man 7 signal" |
| 17:08.34 | Ftroop | thx for the info .got it sorted now :) |
| 17:08.44 | LightAngel | oook, brb because I need to reboot in order to try that "linux26" option |
| 17:08.45 | adii | LightAngel, your command hasn't removed it from ps ax list too |
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| 17:09.11 | LightAngel | adii I suppose you didn't tried PID but 1421 :) |
| 17:09.17 | LightAngel | like "kill -9 1421" |
| 17:09.28 | LightAngel | (without quotes) |
| 17:09.53 | bibe | hi all. I use to connect via ssh to a sarge server, which is using apache2 with mod_jk2. When restarting apache2, some messages are written to the stdout and some other to the stderr. If I restart the apache2 server as root, no problems. If (as I'm used to do) I restart it as a "normal" user using sudo, when I log off the server the ssh session hangs, and I can only kill its process on my laptop. Any hints, please? |
| 17:09.55 | adii | and, is there a way to change the display of man ? i need to see some ' french ' characters. it may be a problem of characters coding (utf-8 rather than iso-8859-15) |
| 17:10.02 | LightAngel | ok, brb |
| 17:10.06 | adii | LightAngel, you are totally right |
| 17:10.20 | adii | i didn't try that :p |
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| 17:10.43 | LightAngel | adii well you should use your brain sometimes...doesn't harms :P |
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| 17:11.07 | adii | i meant i did replace pid with the number , i used it :p |
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| 17:11.59 | kspath | !away |
| 17:11.59 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 17:12.12 | kspath | !tell eraser about away |
| 17:12.48 | blondie | kspath: he'll be devoiced eh? |
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| 17:13.29 | kspath | blondie: probably after blathering on and on abuot being away the voice has troubles... |
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| 17:13.50 | kspath | blondie: I did not write it. I am only a parrot bot. |
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| 17:14.00 | anamaria | http://s2.bitefight.es/c.php?uid=40763 |
| 17:14.32 | blondie | kspath awww |
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| 17:16.35 | adii | this processus won't halt ... |
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| 17:16.58 | adii | anyone has an idea to force its halt ? (kills won't halt him) |
| 17:18.05 | beardy | adii: What process, and how doyou try to kill it? |
| 17:18.10 | adii | state marks him as Ds = uninteruptable sleep |
| 17:18.12 | anamaria | http://s2.bitefight.es/c.php?uid=40763 |
| 17:18.40 | adii | beardy, ps ax returns it as : "14211 ? Ds 533:37 ./stuff" |
| 17:19.00 | adii | (it's a daemon) |
| 17:19.07 | beardy | adii: And what does it do? Sounds like something you've written yourself? |
| 17:19.21 | adii | nop, this is a game server (trackmania nations) |
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| 17:19.37 | adii | i've replaced it with "stuff" cos the line was long |
| 17:19.38 | LightAngel | folks, you will never belive this :)) |
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| 17:19.52 | adii | (will we) |
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| 17:20.06 | LightAngel | if I boot from kernel 2.4 boots but doesn't recognizes the SATA drive, and that's logic |
| 17:20.10 | beardy | !kill-9 |
| 17:20.10 | dpkg | kill-9 is, like, do not use kill -9 unless you have to, because using it will keep the process from cleaning up temp files, closing sockets, informing its childs about its death and other nasty things. use "kill -15 <PID>" or "kill -2 <PID>" instead |
| 17:20.16 | LightAngel | if I boot from 2.6, EVERYTHING freezes |
| 17:20.30 | LightAngel | the mouse nor the keyboard work.. |
| 17:20.34 | markybob | i dont believe it! |
| 17:20.41 | adii | neither do i |
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| 17:20.50 | beardy | adii: Use kill -KILL after that. Does it work? |
| 17:20.52 | LightAngel | the same thing hapens to mandriva and ALL the 2.6 distros |
| 17:20.52 | adii | beardy, ok now that i've done this mistake, is there a way to correct it ? |
| 17:20.55 | adii | trying. |
| 17:20.59 | markybob | LightAngel, try telling the installer to not use acpi and framebuffer |
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| 17:21.17 | adii | beardy, nop, still there |
| 17:21.18 | LightAngel | markybob tried that already, doesn't works.. |
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| 17:21.32 | LightAngel | noacpi |
| 17:21.41 | beardy | adii: Does it use any cpu or take up memory? |
| 17:21.41 | LightAngel | framebuffer? |
| 17:21.49 | LightAngel | Ronin are you used with Dell machines? |
| 17:21.51 | markybob | LightAngel, you disabled acpi, framebuffer and used linux26 all at the same time and it locked up on you? |
| 17:22.01 | LightAngel | yup |
| 17:22.12 | LightAngel | 100% freezed, no ideea how or why |
| 17:22.17 | LightAngel | hapens to ALL 2.6 distros.. |
| 17:22.19 | beardy | !zombie |
| 17:22.19 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 17:22.22 | markybob | LightAngel, what was the last thing that showed up? |
| 17:22.27 | adii | beardy it doesn't take cpu but uses memory (not much tho). the problem is that I can't start another one with that "ghost" running |
| 17:22.51 | LightAngel | he loaded the kernel, etc etc, than the language sellection appeared, then freezed |
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| 17:23.03 | acera | Anyone uses debian for amd64? |
| 17:23.16 | adii | i think the only solution is to reboot the comp. tho it is remote and i fear remote reboots :x |
| 17:23.16 | stew | acera: tons of people |
| 17:23.16 | LightAngel | the same thing hapens to mandriva also, even if I boot with noacpi |
| 17:23.24 | acera | stew |
| 17:23.28 | LightAngel | oh, btw, it's an intel p4 64biy |
| 17:23.31 | acera | what is the best version? |
| 17:23.35 | markybob | LightAngel, if you care about helping to solve this, use the latest d-i and then make a report about it with specifics including your hardware. those guys are pretty good about helping |
| 17:23.40 | LightAngel | *bit even.... |
| 17:23.48 | stew | acera: stable |
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| 17:24.00 | acera | stew 31r0? |
| 17:24.03 | spikebike | hrm, during an upgrade to sarge /usr/bin/getopt disappeared, what package is it in? |
| 17:24.06 | LightAngel | markybob well I just finished writing the DVDs so theya re fresh... |
| 17:24.12 | stew | acera: yes, but it probably would depend on your needs |
| 17:24.16 | markybob | LightAngel, i'm not talking about stable dvds |
| 17:24.27 | stew | acera: but in general, if you have to ask, stable is the correct starting point |
| 17:24.27 | LightAngel | r1 |
| 17:24.29 | acera | stew |
| 17:24.37 | stew | acera: |
| 17:24.37 | LightAngel | sarge not woody |
| 17:24.37 | acera | is hard to install debian on my notebook |
| 17:24.39 | markybob | LightAngel, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ look at the "if you'd like to try something newer" section |
| 17:24.42 | acera | i need xorg |
| 17:24.45 | acera | i hate XFree |
| 17:24.47 | _unstable | spikebike: util-linux |
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| 17:25.08 | _unstable | spikebike: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search getopt; |
| 17:25.08 | metaperl | i'm looking for a wysiwig tool that allows me to draw up a web page (with div containers that have borders ,etc) and then save as HTML... any suggestions? |
| 17:25.16 | astro | is there a shell command i can pipe a file to to word wrap it? |
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| 17:25.24 | _unstable | metaperl: Use the new google page creator. |
| 17:25.29 | stew | acera: why do you hate xfree. I cannot tell the difference other than the config file and log files have differnt names (but identical formats) |
| 17:25.33 | metaperl | _unstable: url? |
| 17:25.36 | stew | astro: fmt |
| 17:25.39 | _unstable | metaperl: www.google.com |
| 17:25.44 | LightAngel | well that's a problem because I unfortunatelly have a slow connection... |
| 17:25.46 | metaperl | _unstable: lol |
| 17:25.49 | acera | stew because xorg detect all my hardware |
| 17:25.55 | acera | and xfree don't detect NONE |
| 17:26.01 | markybob | metaperl, nvu |
| 17:26.13 | astro | stew: thanks |
| 17:26.14 | metaperl | _unstable: cant google for the google page creator: http://www.google.com/search?q=google+page+creator&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official |
| 17:26.16 | stew | acera: what hardware? the graphics card? or the mouse? what? |
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| 17:26.20 | Ts0p | i can't see my eth1 in the ifconfig |
| 17:26.21 | metaperl | markybob: nvu is the name of the program? |
| 17:26.29 | Ts0p | can anyone help me plz |
| 17:26.31 | markybob | metaperl, yes |
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| 17:26.40 | LightAngel | ok, I'll try again the noacpi, is "linux26 noacpi noframebuffer" correct? |
| 17:26.42 | markybob | Ts0p, ifconfig -a man ifconfig |
| 17:26.43 | metaperl | markybob: it is not in debian/testing... will google for it |
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| 17:27.07 | markybob | !nvu |
| 17:27.07 | dpkg | i guess nvu is a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com with packages in Sarge and newer for most archs. |
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| 17:27.26 | shygrrl | dmesg|grep eth1 |
| 17:27.32 | LightAngel | markybob: linux26 noacpi noframebuffer <- that's the correct line? |
| 17:27.34 | shygrrl | see if it was detected at startup |
| 17:27.35 | stew | acera: in debian, its going to use mdetect to detect your mouse and read-edid to attempt to discover your refresh rates, and lspci to detect your card regardless of whether your using xfree or xorg |
| 17:27.41 | shygrrl | also lspci|more |
| 17:27.45 | shygrrl | see if it shows it there |
| 17:27.52 | Ts0p | markybob can't find it |
| 17:28.01 | astro | stew: perfect, thank you |
| 17:28.13 | sky0 | adii: I assume you have the user rights to kill that process? (you don't get a 'permission denied' when running the command); there are a number of things you can try |
| 17:28.18 | markybob | LightAngel, i believe it's debian-installer/framebuffer=false look at the help screen at the boot prompt |
| 17:28.38 | adii | sky0, your assumption is right :p |
| 17:28.48 | adii | i wish i knew these numerous things |
| 17:28.59 | _unstable | metaperl: If you can't find it you shouldn't be using a computer. ( pages.google.com ) |
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| 17:29.14 | LightAngel | markybob ok, brb... |
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| 17:30.30 | sky0 | adii: I'd start with sending a SIGSTOP; and try SIGHUP, SIGINT and SIGKILL again (look at man 7 signal) |
| 17:30.48 | spikebike | WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed sysvinit initscripts (due to sysvinit) util-linux |
| 17:30.51 | metaperl | _unstable: I would think typing "google page creator" into www.google.com should be the first hit wouldnt you :) but thanks anyway... between nvu and pages.google.com I'm free from css hell |
| 17:30.52 | adii | i've looked that, i will try each of these |
| 17:30.52 | metaperl | thanks |
| 17:31.00 | spikebike | this upgrade isn't going smoothly 8-( |
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| 17:31.18 | sky0 | adii: I probable guess is that the process hangs in an IO wait; trying to read/write to a filehandle that has become stale/invalid |
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| 17:32.19 | codept|away | can XGL be installed on Debian? |
| 17:32.44 | sky0 | adii: possible for nfs-shared volumes, or possible hd/filesystem problem; in any case you *can't* really kill it (short of a reboot), but you might get lucky. |
| 17:32.44 | markybob | codept|away, depends if you mean to ask "easily" |
| 17:32.48 | markybob | !xgl |
| 17:32.48 | dpkg | i heard xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/ ,or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto" . |
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| 17:33.01 | Ts0p | my internet was working just fine untill i did apt-get update |
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| 17:33.24 | Ts0p | i don't know what went wrong |
| 17:33.44 | adii | sky0 :/ |
| 17:34.00 | codept|away | so XGL is not tested yet right? |
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| 17:34.10 | Roey | hello |
| 17:34.11 | starfishy | ts0p: apt-get update doesnt change any network settings |
| 17:34.19 | markybob | codept|away, it's best to wait some until it makes its way into debian naturally |
| 17:34.20 | erore | hy |
| 17:34.23 | Roey | I'm in a bit of a bind; I apt-got dist-upgraded from kernel 2.6.11 -> 2.6.15 and now the bootup scripts fail. It looks like this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/KLc6Dc63.html |
| 17:34.27 | starfishy | if you did an apt-get upgrade that _may_ be different |
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| 17:34.40 | guillaume | salut a tous |
| 17:34.40 | guillaume | !! |
| 17:34.40 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 17:34.44 | erore | anybody knows how to connect motorola dec to pc |
| 17:34.47 | Ts0p | starfishy and hostap |
| 17:34.51 | markybob | Roey, you should've read that 2.6.15 *requires* udev |
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| 17:34.55 | sky0 | adii: send it some signals; the daemon itself might react to one of them, or maybe the OS decides to put the state from 'busy' to 'dead' and recycle the resources. If you can't push it to do that, I see no other option than rebooting; sorry |
| 17:35.01 | stew | markybob: it doesn't |
| 17:35.02 | markybob | Roey, boot into 2.6.11 and install udev |
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| 17:35.08 | guillaume | pas de francais par ici? |
| 17:35.12 | adii | si |
| 17:35.15 | kspath | !fr |
| 17:35.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
| 17:35.17 | adii | salut |
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| 17:35.27 | starfishy | what does hostap have to do with apt-get update? |
| 17:35.28 | erore | hola |
| 17:35.32 | guillaume | salut: |
| 17:35.32 | Roey | markybob: oh, I see. |
| 17:35.34 | kspath | !tell guillaume about fr |
| 17:35.38 | starfishy | thats a Prism driver |
| 17:35.40 | guillaume | bien le bonjour:: |
| 17:35.40 | Roey | markybob: alright then. Thank you ;) |
| 17:35.41 | javiolo | !es |
| 17:35.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:35.42 | kspath | !tell adil about fr |
| 17:35.46 | erore | sabeis si se puede conectar el dec de motorola al pc |
| 17:35.50 | adii | just explaining him moment |
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| 17:36.02 | adii | guillaume : apparemment il faut aller dans #debianfr pour de l'aide en francais... |
| 17:36.08 | Roey | markybob: what does it mean when I try to chroot and I get failure messages about not being able to write into /dev/null |
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| 17:36.17 | guillaume | ok bah on va bosse rl anglais lol |
| 17:36.27 | markybob | Roey, that your computer loves you long time |
| 17:36.30 | thingfish | c'est #debian-fr |
| 17:36.30 | markybob | Roey, *shrug* |
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| 17:36.44 | Ts0p | ok can someone just point me to a how-to |
| 17:36.46 | adii | t'es sûr ? |
| 17:36.55 | stew | Roey: you need to mount --bind /dev /chroot/dev ; before you chroot |
| 17:37.02 | Roey | markybob: OH |
| 17:37.17 | Roey | stew: oh... right right.... sorry, I always *do* do this and I just forgot somehow |
| 17:37.18 | Roey | this time. |
| 17:37.30 | Roey | stew: I was wondering why just mounting proc didn't do it ;) |
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| 17:37.35 | Roey | stew: thanks!! |
| 17:38.58 | yggdrasil | can i get xlib-dev ? |
| 17:39.13 | yggdrasil | i get a weird message that its been replaced by about 50 different packages |
| 17:39.18 | markybob | yggdrasil, werent you asking abrotman that yesterday? |
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| 17:39.24 | goron | I have a Epson Stylus C60 printer connected to my Linux machine. It's available for the Windows machine via Cups. Problem is that the colors are not correct, they are shifted somewhat. When I just print locally on Linux, then everything works great. Any idea? |
| 17:39.58 | yggdrasil | markybob no that was a different thing i ? |
| 17:40.09 | yggdrasil | it was x11 something it was a depencie bork |
| 17:40.18 | starfishy | ts0p: what do you need a howto for? |
| 17:40.26 | _unstable | Ts0p: ifup eth1; ifdown eth0; ifconfig eth0 down; dhclient eth1; |
| 17:40.27 | abrotman | markybob: no .. it was someone else |
| 17:40.37 | yggdrasil | im just trying to install xine now .... dood this thing is giving me a major workout |
| 17:40.50 | stew | yggdrasil: xlibs-dev has been removed from testing/unstable becuase x is being modularized, you now need to fetch the individual componenets you actually need |
| 17:41.04 | yggdrasil | stew so how do i go aobu that ? |
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| 17:41.26 | Roey | markybob, stew: udev's already installed though :( |
| 17:41.27 | stew | yggdrasil: you dont' need them for xine, just install xine from marillat, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 17:41.47 | yggdrasil | stew thatnks |
| 17:41.57 | markybob | Roey, which version? what are you using? sarge? |
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| 17:42.11 | _unstable | yggdrasil: What version of debian are you using? |
| 17:42.18 | yggdrasil | uhm |
| 17:42.19 | yggdrasil | unstable |
| 17:42.20 | Ts0p | _unstable i get eth1:error whie interface flage:no such device |
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| 17:42.24 | yggdrasil | the latest |
| 17:42.32 | _unstable | !tell yggdrasil about marillat.sid |
| 17:42.34 | Roey | markybob: sid actually |
| 17:42.35 | Roey | with lilo. |
| 17:42.40 | Roey | and yaird. |
| 17:42.41 | stew | Roey: what is the problem you are having? do you have udev for a reason? like do you use gnome-volume-manager? |
| 17:42.45 | _unstable | yggdrasil: type that command, then type apt-get install gxine; exit; then type gxine |
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| 17:42.59 | kleinlappies | ahoy |
| 17:43.00 | Roey | stew: no, no I do not use that. |
| 17:43.04 | abrotman | there is no more xlibs-dev in etch/sid |
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| 17:43.09 | Roey | stew: It was not my intention to ever /use/ udev even. |
| 17:43.12 | kleinlappies | help bluetooth remote |
| 17:43.16 | stew | Roey: if udev is giving you problems, remove it, unless you need it for something |
| 17:43.18 | Roey | stew: the debian rules sort of did that. |
| 17:43.23 | Roey | stew: how do I do that? |
| 17:43.32 | _unstable | yggdrasil: Did you type the command dpkg messaged you with? the echo command |
| 17:43.33 | stew | Roey: apt-get remove udev hotplug+ |
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| 17:44.02 | abrotman | kleinlappies: wow .. that was vague |
| 17:44.04 | Ts0p | i am going to take a walk away and comeback later |
| 17:44.24 | Roey | stew: alright... I hope this works. |
| 17:44.31 | Roey | stew: will reboot now, ok? |
| 17:44.41 | stew | Roey: actually, i'd recommend "apt-get remove --purge udev hotplug+" so that you get a fresh udev config the next time you install it |
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| 17:45.10 | yggdrasil | _unstble im trying |
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| 17:45.35 | LightAngel | folks, guess where the problem was :))) |
| 17:45.43 | markybob | LightAngel, ? |
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| 17:45.45 | Ronin | at they keyboard? heh |
| 17:45.48 | Roey | stew: I've removed it, but without --purge... now --purge won't work; should I re-install it and remove it with --purge this time? |
| 17:45.50 | abrotman | LightAngel: PEBCAK? |
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| 17:46.03 | LightAngel | the Optiplex GX620 model is preset to use the USB mouse and keyboard :)) I am using PS2 :)) |
| 17:46.24 | LightAngel | so I've disabled the USB from BIOS and voila...everything works, any distro :D |
| 17:46.31 | Ronin | LightAngel: heh nice |
| 17:46.46 | stew | Roey: dpkg -P udev |
| 17:46.48 | LightAngel | so the pc didn't freezed...he was just using USB keyboard and mouse :) |
| 17:46.50 | _unstable | yggdrasil: type this whole command as root... echo "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install gxine; exit; |
| 17:46.53 | Roey | stew: perfect, thanks. |
| 17:47.01 | markybob | LightAngel, i'm glad you're happy. if i was in your shoes and had wasted so much time with this crap, i'd wanna shoot myself |
| 17:47.04 | _unstable | yggdrasil: Then you're done!, just type gxine in any terminal and your program starts. |
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| 17:47.13 | Roey | stew: it said 'warning: irnogring request to remove udev which isn't installed.' |
| 17:47.28 | LightAngel | lol |
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| 17:48.32 | LightAngel | ok, next, I'm used with Mandriva but I wanna try debian also. how much space do you think I need for a desktop system? |
| 17:48.34 | yggdrasil | unstable i got some problems |
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| 17:48.45 | abrotman | LightAngel: gnome and kde? |
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| 17:48.52 | stew | Roey: thats fine. you can check to see if its purged afterwards: run "dpkg -l udev" if its purged the line will start with pn instead of rc |
| 17:49.33 | LightAngel | abrotman neah, just KDE. also I'll like to run apache, php and sql (maybe postgres also) |
| 17:49.39 | abrotman | btw ... htf do i make all those udev errors go away |
| 17:49.47 | stew | abrotman: whick? |
| 17:49.48 | abrotman | LightAngel: if i had to guess .. at least 5GB |
| 17:49.51 | stew | ^k^h |
| 17:49.51 | LightAngel | and as usual, music, film and gaming... |
| 17:49.56 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:49.56 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:50.01 | LightAngel | aha, so 10GB will be enought? |
| 17:50.07 | elirips | can someone tell me what is the difference between 'more' and 'cat'? i don't see any differences between a more /proc/mdstat and a cat /proc/mdstat |
| 17:50.13 | abrotman | stew: when i installed the 2.6.15 in etch .. tons of freaking errors related to /lib/udev when i boot .. of course the laptop is at home .. |
| 17:50.13 | Roey | stew: pn indeed! |
| 17:50.15 | kspath | 10TB |
| 17:50.21 | Roey | stew: ok, I'll take that as a green light to reboot then |
| 17:50.22 | abrotman | LightAngel: yes |
| 17:50.47 | stew | elirips: if the file has more lines than $LINES it more will pause one screenful at a time |
| 17:50.52 | yggdrasil | _unstable gxine: command not found |
| 17:50.55 | stew | Roey: yes |
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| 17:51.10 | Roey | stew: OK then. |
| 17:51.11 | abrotman | install it? |
| 17:51.14 | LightAngel | doesn't Debian has any installation GUI? just text? |
| 17:51.15 | Roey | stew: rebooting the laptop now... |
| 17:51.15 | abrotman | !find bin/gxine sid |
| 17:51.18 | elirips | stew: ah, thanks. |
| 17:51.26 | stew | xine isn't in main is it? |
| 17:51.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/gxine' (1): (/usr/bin/{gxine|gxine_client}) in graphics/gxine. |
| 17:51.37 | stew | doh |
| 17:51.43 | markybob | LightAngel, http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/10/msg00406.html |
| 17:51.53 | stew | elirips: however less is a nicer pager than more |
| 17:52.16 | Roey | stew: eek, I stillg et this same message: http://rafb.net/paste/results/KLc6Dc63.html |
| 17:52.17 | sphenxes | where can I find compatible Debain hardwore especially, wireless cards and ADSL routers "newbie" |
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| 17:52.46 | stew | Roey: doh, you need to rebuild your initrd with yaird instead of initramfs-tools |
| 17:52.56 | Roey | stew: hehehhee |
| 17:52.56 | stew | Roey: i though you had said you used yaird |
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| 17:53.26 | Roey | stew: I removed initramfs-tools and made sure to install yaird right before I upgraded the kernel. |
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| 17:53.52 | LightAngel | markybob hmmm, so I need to burn that ISO on the CD and then...? |
| 17:53.54 | stew | Roey: i don't think yaird would do any udevy type of stuff |
| 17:53.55 | Roey | stew: lemme see if yaird's installed actually. |
| 17:53.56 | abrotman | sphenxes: the routers should use your ethernet ... |
| 17:54.01 | Roey | stew: I don't know. |
| 17:54.02 | stew | isn't udevy a pretty word i just made up |
| 17:54.04 | yggdrasil | _unstable thanks a million |
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| 17:54.16 | stew | Roey: it must be, or purging udev would have purged the kernel |
| 17:54.20 | markybob | LightAngel, it's not worth it. gui installer is exactly the same. same questions, just a pretty background. |
| 17:54.38 | abrotman | and it's "unstable" last i heard |
| 17:54.53 | LightAngel | ah, ok :) |
| 17:54.56 | stew | it needs volunteers to test it! |
| 17:55.00 | sphenxes | abrotman, hence the important part is the ethernet card. where can I find a list of linux or Debian compatible wireles cards. thanks |
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| 17:55.19 | abrotman | sphenxes: as for wifi .. many of them do work .. but not all of them have drivers in the kernel and require an extra step or two to get them working |
| 17:55.55 | stew | sphenxes: prism base wireless cards have the best linux support |
| 17:55.56 | abrotman | sphenxes: cards that are atheros based should work .. or ipw2x00 or acx110 |
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| 17:56.04 | LightAngel | another question, because I'm kinda "migrating" from windows/mandriva to debian. can I configure the network cards from KDE? does it has any "control pannel" like fedora and mdk have? |
| 17:56.07 | abrotman | stew: if you can find them :) |
| 17:56.19 | abrotman | LightAngel: probably .. ask #debian-kde to know for sure |
| 17:56.20 | stew | abrotman: i can see at least 3 from where i'm sitting |
| 17:56.30 | abrotman | stew: new or old? |
| 17:56.33 | sepski | LightAngel, debian is even better you have a textfile called /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:56.34 | stew | both |
| 17:56.35 | sphenxes | thanks |
| 17:56.41 | abrotman | stew: and available in bestbuy/compusa? |
| 17:56.44 | sepski | LightAngel, and the manual is man interfaces |
| 17:56.55 | Roey | stew: I booted into kanotix and chroot'd into the box. So now, dpkg -l initramfs-tool yaird shows that yaird is ii while initramfs-tools is rc. |
| 17:56.57 | stew | abrotman: no idea |
| 17:57.01 | LightAngel | aha, so you just need to edit a file and that's all? |
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| 17:57.07 | stew | f bestbuy, i'll never shop there again |
| 17:57.14 | abrotman | stew: but not dlink/netgear/linksys? |
| 17:57.22 | markybob | LightAngel, it's easy. odds are the installer will do it all for you. if you have problems, come back in here |
| 17:57.31 | metaperl | _unstable: google page creator was so popular they have limited enrollments... either that or their registration process is b0kred :) |
| 17:57.37 | metaperl | on to nvu! |
| 17:58.06 | kspath | wifi can blow me |
| 17:58.59 | yawg | yeah i don't think i can install my wireless card on my laptop because i need to switch to testing |
| 17:59.00 | stew | Roey: run "file /path/to/initrd/" what type of file does it say it is? |
| 17:59.08 | stew | Roey: or you can just make the initrd again |
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| 17:59.15 | yawg | the wifi card i have only has testing and unstable .deb packages |
| 17:59.35 | yawg | how hard would it be to switch the entire laptop over to testing? |
| 17:59.40 | stew | Roey: in any case if you make the initrd now, and don't even have udev installed, it really really shouldn't put anything udev related into the scripts |
| 17:59.51 | stew | abrotman: i think i have a prism54 based netgear |
| 18:00.02 | yawg | is there a gigantic package i can install? |
| 18:00.04 | abrotman | stew: i'm not sure they sell those anymore .. but i know they used to |
| 18:00.06 | stew | yawg: what card? |
| 18:00.10 | yawg | one sec |
| 18:00.13 | yawg | i'll pull it up |
| 18:00.14 | Roey | stew: it says: |
| 18:00.15 | abrotman | !tell yawg about sarge->etch |
| 18:00.34 | Roey | stew: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-1-686: gzip compressed data, from Unix, max compression |
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| 18:00.40 | yawg | abrotman: it doesn't have a network connection |
| 18:00.46 | yawg | the ethernet card is broken i think |
| 18:00.51 | stew | Roey: i think that means its initramfs, i think yaird makes cpios |
| 18:00.52 | abrotman | lovely |
| 18:01.07 | yawg | it blinks a lot, but it won't receive any packets |
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| 18:01.16 | yawg | that's why i want to try wireless |
| 18:01.24 | Roey | stew: ohhhh ok |
| 18:01.28 | Roey | stew: so lemme run this then: |
| 18:01.34 | yawg | so i need to install testing with floppy discs... :/ |
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| 18:02.21 | yawg | i also have the package to install kernel 2.6 on it, but i'm afraid to run it because i don't want to make this thing stop booting |
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| 18:02.33 | abrotman | that's why you don't remove the old kernel |
| 18:02.35 | Thanatermesis | how to recover a screen "forcely" ? |
| 18:02.35 | ccg | i want to build a network between nics, whats the command to set up the route between them ? |
| 18:02.39 | ccg | 2 nics |
| 18:02.45 | abrotman | yawg: what is your ethernet card .. and what is your wifi card? |
| 18:02.48 | crypt_ex | I have Debian Testing and am currrently in Gnome, however my keyboard does not seem to be setup correctly. I am from the UK, so configured dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg with uk, also Gnome is setup with uk, however when I press alt and the buttons such like @#$@$% etc , there all in the wrong places, not sure what else to check? |
| 18:02.55 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 18:02.56 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 18:03.07 | Thanatermesis | http://pastebin.com/570572 |
| 18:03.08 | crypt_ex | thank you |
| 18:03.32 | Roey | stew: yaird -vd -o /tmp/yaird-output 2.6.15 |
| 18:03.40 | Roey | stew: actually you know it IS a yaird cpio file. |
| 18:03.51 | stew | Thanatermesis: someone is already attached, you can also attach with -x or you can force them to detatch with -Dr |
| 18:03.57 | gnufan | crypt_ex: the console-data one works in Exeter - but check it is wrong outside of GNOME first. |
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| 18:04.25 | LightAngel | oook, I'll ask this q now because I need to know this before installing. how can I set the network card? |
| 18:04.38 | stew | LightAngel: the installer guides you through it |
| 18:04.39 | markybob | LightAngel, the installer will walk you through it |
| 18:04.42 | crypt_ex | gnufan, I cant ctrl+alt+f1 etc though :S |
| 18:04.46 | abrotman | or not see the NIC at all :) |
| 18:04.54 | crypt_ex | gnufan, its the same in KDE if thats any consolation |
| 18:05.04 | LightAngel | markybob well the installer uses DHCP... |
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| 18:05.10 | gnufan | abrotman: I get a regular "X and GNOME disagree about your key mapping" -- you don't happen to know on an idiots guy to these things? |
| 18:05.11 | _unstable | metaperl: I think slashdot + digg had an article about the page creator..so that probably generated millions of hits a day |
| 18:05.13 | LightAngel | I noticed on the help file a force static |
| 18:05.16 | markybob | LightAngel, at first. then it gives you the static option |
| 18:05.25 | metaperl | _unstable: i see |
| 18:05.34 | sepski | LightAngel, and if it failes to locate a dhcp server it askes about details |
| 18:05.55 | LightAngel | aha, ok. next question how can I use multiple variables like /acpi=off and framebuffer=off on the same line? |
| 18:06.10 | abrotman | gnufan: gnome also has a utility to use another keyboard iirc |
| 18:06.12 | Thanatermesis | perfect, thx |
| 18:06.18 | gnufan | Whilst we are on keyboard mappings ever since I fiddled with the accessibility stuff in GNOME I can't "ctrl-alt-+" with the "+" on the number pad. |
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| 18:06.19 | LightAngel | cause it's like linux26 debian-installer/acpi=off and then...? where I should insert framebuffer=off? |
| 18:06.20 | markybob | LightAngel, yes |
| 18:06.33 | shark_atlantis | LightAngel : with ..&&.. |
| 18:06.35 | yawg | abrotman: wired is EtherLink III LAN+Modem PC Card 10BASE-T Ethernet and 28.8 Modem 3C562 3Com |
| 18:06.48 | abrotman | i think that sohuld work .. dunno why it wouldn't |
| 18:06.49 | stew | LightAngel: "linux26 acpi=off framebuffer=off" |
| 18:07.07 | yawg | abrotman: the wireless is: Netgear 802.11b Wireless PC card 16-bit PCMCIA Model MA401 |
| 18:07.07 | LightAngel | stew shouldn't I use debian-installer/ also? |
| 18:07.11 | crypt_ex | abrotman, none of that lot for changing the keymap has woked :( |
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| 18:07.37 | LightAngel | shark_atlantis can you please give me an example? |
| 18:07.39 | yawg | abrotman: i think the wired one is broken, it is pretty old |
| 18:07.49 | abrotman | crypt_ex: try gnome's keyboard applet |
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| 18:07.51 | gnufan | Ah - keyboard accessibility was still ticked... damn. |
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| 18:08.06 | Roey | abrotman: hi! |
| 18:08.09 | crypt_ex | abrotman, have done and its set to uk |
| 18:08.11 | abrotman | hi |
| 18:08.22 | abrotman | crypt_ex: and the correct number of keys? |
| 18:08.24 | stew | LightAngel: i've never seen that |
| 18:08.29 | crypt_ex | abrotman, yup 105 |
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| 18:08.41 | abrotman | crypt_ex: when you configured X .. how many did you say you had? |
| 18:08.49 | crypt_ex | abrotman, worked before dist-upgrade to testing |
| 18:08.54 | yawg | abrotman: it gives this message ever few minutes "eth0: lost link beat" |
| 18:08.57 | crypt_ex | abrotman, 105 |
| 18:09.01 | abrotman | yawg: cute |
| 18:09.10 | LightAngel | stew aha, ok, cause on the help page it tells to use "linux debian-installer/acpi=off" for example |
| 18:09.16 | crypt_ex | abrotman, I will go through the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again then and check to make sure |
| 18:09.24 | abrotman | crypt_ex: you can use xmodmap to move them .. but that doesn't seem right |
| 18:09.29 | gnufan | crypt_ex: didn't fiddle with "misc options" in the GNOME keyboard app did you? |
| 18:09.31 | crypt_ex | hmm |
| 18:09.48 | crypt_ex | gnufan, nope? Never knew they existed |
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| 18:10.28 | gnufan | crypt_ex: it can kill the ctrl-alt-F1 behaviour... I think maybe you have a Ukraine keyboard.... you did put gb into X not uk... |
| 18:10.40 | stew | LightAngel: which page is that? |
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| 18:11.08 | crypt_ex | Gnufan ahhh, will check dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again |
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| 18:11.26 | debianito_ | one question when u write linux26 noapi nolapic u are not touching the internet conection write? |
| 18:11.30 | LightAngel | stew F7 on boot |
| 18:11.32 | gnufan | crypt_ex: you wouldn't be the first |
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| 18:11.43 | _unstable | debianito_: right |
| 18:12.14 | sepski | LightAngel, the http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s02.html.en might be a help. |
| 18:12.16 | crypt_ex | gnufan, yea, it was set to uk, have used gb, going to exit x...bbias |
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| 18:12.22 | debianito_ | ok and if on boot u write pci = off also not toching the internet? |
| 18:12.24 | spikebike | zuc yeah |
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| 18:12.27 | spikebike | oops |
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| 18:12.54 | raf256[laptop] | I can safly remove base-conig pack? |
| 18:12.59 | markybob | raf256[laptop], yes |
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| 18:13.08 | raf256[laptop] | thanks |
| 18:13.09 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:13.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:14.08 | LightAngel | does Samba needs to be configured via a text file or do I have any GUI? |
| 18:14.21 | sepski | LightAngel, you can use swat |
| 18:14.23 | sepski | !swat |
| 18:14.24 | dpkg | from memory, swat is Special Weapons And Tactics or A Web based administrative tool for SAMBA or what dbn.net needs; right upside the head with a clue-by-four. a device for killing flies with, or apt-get install swat, enable it in /etc/inetd.conf if necessary, '/etc/init.d/inetd reload', then point your web browser to http://localhost:901/ |
| 18:14.35 | crypt_ex | that did the trick, the keys work now....however I still cant ctrl+alt+f1 and its doing my head when I do something stupid in x |
| 18:14.41 | Roey | !1+1 |
| 18:14.41 | dpkg | 2 |
| 18:14.44 | Roey | oh, cool. |
| 18:14.47 | markybob | LightAngel, really depends. gnome has a "shared folders" gui thing to help. i dont know if kde has the same |
| 18:14.47 | Roey | !weather 22031 |
| 18:14.49 | dpkg | I can't find station code "22031" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 18:14.53 | sepski | LightAngel, for sarge there is also webmin. but that confuse me more then help me. |
| 18:15.02 | Ronin | Roey: try /msg if your going to play :) |
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| 18:15.12 | Roey | Ronin: thanks :) |
| 18:15.16 | LightAngel | sepski yeah, webmin is weird sometimes :) |
| 18:15.21 | Roey | Ronin: good channels nneed a good channel bot. |
| 18:15.21 | sepski | markybob, realy... it have never occured to me to install X on a samba server.... lol |
| 18:15.26 | LightAngel | hmm...ok, let me think what I use... |
| 18:15.27 | debianito_ | i´m installing sarge with netinst...(I installed it with linux26 noapic nolapic) and now on boot I´m writing also "pci=off"...all is going well but not the internet...now when installing the base-config, the apt is not detecting my internet connection what can I do pls? |
| 18:15.36 | LightAngel | ah, wine and virtual machines |
| 18:15.40 | yggdrasil | how can i make x startup automaticly ? |
| 18:15.44 | markybob | sepski, he didnt mention server or client |
| 18:15.48 | LightAngel | does debian has any vmware or qemu? |
| 18:16.00 | LightAngel | or soemthing to run virtual machines under itself? |
| 18:16.20 | markybob | LightAngel, you can install vmware on debian, yes, if that's what you're asking. and qemu. |
| 18:16.22 | math1236 | what's that bit that is set in .inputrc that turns off that stupid audio bell? |
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| 18:16.59 | LightAngel | markybob well I'm kinda used with rpms and apt-get thingy so can I apt-get vmware or something similar? |
| 18:17.21 | markybob | LightAngel, no. vmware you have to use vmware's installer. download it from their website or pop in a retail cd |
| 18:17.27 | useruser | markybob: visual bell |
| 18:17.31 | math1236 | oops, never mind |
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| 18:17.41 | math1236 | set bell off |
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| 18:18.16 | LightAngel | markybob aha, so debian doesn't has any package I can apt-get that will be similar with vmware? |
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| 18:18.38 | markybob | LightAngel, you can apt-get install qemu |
| 18:18.39 | LightAngel | can you please do an apt-get search qemu ?:D |
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| 18:18.52 | debianito_ | i´m installing sarge with netinst...(I installed it with linux26 noapic nolapic) and now on boot I´m writing also "pci=off"...all is going well but not the internet...now when installing the base-config, the apt is not detecting my internet connection what can I do pls? |
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| 18:19.06 | Ronin | works here LightAngel |
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| 18:19.41 | LightAngel | Ronin aha, so the ideea is that debian has a qemu rpm? |
| 18:19.52 | wols_ | debianito_: is your network card detected? |
| 18:19.53 | Ronin | ahh rpm, no deb though |
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| 18:20.12 | LightAngel | oh, even deb, I'm used with rpm, sorry :) |
| 18:20.21 | LightAngel | so it has a .deb (precompiled)? |
| 18:20.38 | markybob | LightAngel, YES. i told you "apt-get install qemu" works |
| 18:20.38 | LightAngel | because that's what I need, to skip the compiling thingy... |
| 18:20.40 | Ronin | search found it for me, didn't try to install it |
| 18:20.48 | LightAngel | oook |
| 18:21.09 | LightAngel | well than...let me free some space out here and start the installation :) |
| 18:21.14 | Thanatermesis | how to test with nmap if a specified port are open ? |
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| 18:21.46 | LightAngel | does the installation has any partition manager I can use to make a ntfs partition smaller? |
| 18:22.08 | LightAngel | without distroying all the data on it :P |
| 18:22.17 | sepski | Thanatermesis, nmap -p port host |
| 18:22.59 | debianito_ | wols yes |
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| 18:23.01 | gnufan | crypt_ex: I had that a while back.... I thought it was down to fiddling with the GDM security settings, but I could be wrong -- you didn't try that as well did you? |
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| 18:23.11 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 18:23.18 | debianito_ | and while installing it detected the dhcp automatically |
| 18:23.30 | sepski | LightAngel, im not sure. but you can use this livecd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php |
| 18:24.00 | LightAngel | sepski eh, I'll use Hiren's Boot CD in that case.. |
| 18:24.02 | gnufan | Thanatermesis: if it is your machine netstat is a good tool to do the same locally. |
| 18:24.13 | bighorn | I am having problems configuring Gabber to use GnuPG. GnuPG works fine in Thunderbird but can't get to work with Gabber. |
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| 18:24.51 | bighorn | I installed Seahorse and it shows my private key is cached but still no Gabber encryption |
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| 18:25.35 | dcm | can I make debian install packages into a certain directory? |
| 18:25.38 | wols_ | debianito_: so you have a (public) IP? what's wrong then? |
| 18:26.02 | debianito_ | the wrong thing is that apt while finishing installation is not detecting the internet connection |
| 18:26.23 | die-Sel | to install debian from dvd, r both dvds needed |
| 18:26.28 | debianito_ | I mean now this is the first time I run debian(after installing it) |
| 18:27.00 | wols_ | can you ping google? |
| 18:27.11 | wols_ | die-Sel: no |
| 18:27.12 | sepski | die-Sel, no. |
| 18:27.21 | die-Sel | thk |
| 18:27.24 | dcm | die-Sel: no |
| 18:27.25 | wols_ | die-Sel: even from CD only one is needed |
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| 18:27.29 | crypt_ex | gnufan, nah, but I did have a problem with gdm orginally, sorted that problem though. |
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| 18:27.31 | sepski | die-Sel, only if you need a package that is on dvd2 and dont have a network connection |
| 18:27.38 | dieg | where can I ask a question about autotools? |
| 18:27.49 | dcm | can I make debian install packages into a certain directory? |
| 18:27.51 | crypt_ex | gnufan, gdm just reported a dialog error box, which I searched on bts |
| 18:28.14 | die-Sel | cd 1 will do, its a smaller download |
| 18:28.27 | sepski | dcm, what you say make no sence realy you want to install something in /usr/local or what ? |
| 18:28.44 | wols_ | dcm: yes. via dpkg |
| 18:28.45 | die-Sel | debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1/iso |
| 18:28.55 | die-Sel | debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso i guess? |
| 18:29.04 | debianito_ | no |
| 18:29.10 | debianito_ | 31r1a |
| 18:29.14 | die-Sel | ok |
| 18:29.16 | debianito_ | i thinnk |
| 18:29.24 | wols_ | debianito_: can you ping google? |
| 18:29.40 | debianito_ | I just don´t know because I havent finished the installation |
| 18:29.52 | debianito_ | pfff |
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| 18:30.16 | die-Sel | brb |
| 18:30.20 | rutski89 | hi all |
| 18:30.21 | gnufan | dcm: as wols says - yes via dpkg -- but why - what are you trying to achieve -- dpkg is features are usually for installing into a mount point when creating a new system. |
| 18:30.25 | debianito_ | i can just tell u that I put on run: pci = off |
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| 18:31.37 | sepski | debianito_, how do you expect network to function then ? |
| 18:31.47 | debianito_ | lol |
| 18:32.13 | debianito_ | that I was asked before and someone told me it has to work although u wrote that |
| 18:32.41 | debianito_ | but pci is not just relationated with power? |
| 18:32.57 | sepski | debianito_, well i'd say that nothing that uses pci would function, why did you have to disable pci ? what was the orginal problem ? |
| 18:33.13 | sepski | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.9 it removes all pci probing |
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| 18:34.46 | debianito_ | just one minute sepski let m try disbling this |
| 18:34.52 | debianito_ | to tell u the original prob |
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| 18:36.33 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:36.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:39.47 | debianito_ | sepski my problem is that it stops here: CP: IRQ9 SCI: Edge set to Level Trigger |
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| 18:40.19 | debianito_ | so if I write at boot pci=off it doesn´t freeze at that point... |
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| 18:40.54 | debianito_ | sepski my problem is that it stops here: ACPI: IRQ9 SCI: Edge set to Level Trigger |
| 18:41.02 | sepski | debianito_, have you tried the other kernel |
| 18:41.20 | debianito_ | yes |
| 18:41.26 | debianito_ | the 2.4? |
| 18:41.38 | Roey | stew, markybob: |
| 18:41.50 | Roey | <Roey> I fixed it by: |
| 18:41.50 | Roey | <Roey> 1) apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 18:41.50 | Roey | <Roey> 2) liloconfig |
| 18:41.53 | Roey | that's about it. |
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| 18:42.01 | Roey | erg |
| 18:43.16 | debianito_ | ok i´ll try roey |
| 18:43.16 | sepski | debianito_, tried pci=noacpi = |
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| 18:44.02 | debianito_ | ok |
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| 18:45.55 | YogSothoth | Ho |
| 18:46.11 | Roey | debianito_: nono that was how I fixed /my/ problem |
| 18:46.15 | sepski | debianito_, for good measure set acpi=off also.. :) |
| 18:46.15 | Roey | debianito_: lemme read yours |
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| 18:46.31 | Roey | debianito_: I don't know how to solve yours :( |
| 18:46.58 | YogSothoth | Trying to install Debian 3.1r1 (net install) on a HP wx8000: all setup went ok, then remove cd and restart and.... "Error while loading operating system" |
| 18:47.00 | YogSothoth | What's that? |
| 18:47.08 | sepski | debianito_, if that also failes. i think i would have tried a unofficial installer with 2.6.15 kernel or something. |
| 18:47.11 | YogSothoth | Where should I look for debug? |
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| 18:47.41 | ansi | Moin |
| 18:47.46 | blondie | ? |
| 18:47.54 | sepski | YogSothoth, sounds like your bios didnt manage to boot the os. either it tries to boot wrong disk. the partitions is not bootable or you didnt install the bootloader |
| 18:48.00 | ansi | I am trying to install debian on my laptop via USB Stick |
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| 18:48.40 | ansi | Unfortunatelly I have difficulties to boot via USB Stick |
| 18:48.40 | sepski | ansi, your using thisone ? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 18:48.55 | ansi | all I get is MBA FA: |
| 18:49.16 | wilfredor | I have a Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1500MHz, Wich is the better Kernel? |
| 18:49.22 | ansi | sepski, Right I use this page |
| 18:49.33 | ansi | first try was the 'easy way' |
| 18:49.39 | YogSothoth | sepski, thanks i try to unplug the IDE drive (Debian installed on the SCSI drive) |
| 18:49.48 | ansi | installed boot.img.gz on /dev/sda |
| 18:49.58 | YogSothoth | sepski, and check for the bios to first check scsi drive |
| 18:50.10 | wols_ | wilfredor: P3 kernel most probably |
| 18:50.28 | wilfredor | wolffc, thanx |
| 18:50.29 | ansi | so way to boot |
| 18:50.35 | sepski | ansi, if your motherboard suppord more then 1 usb boot emulation try them all |
| 18:50.55 | ansi | after installing install-mbr to /dev/sda and the image to /dev/sda1 I get MBA FA: |
| 18:51.04 | wilfredor | wols_, mark1:/home/wilfredor# apt-cache search kernel P3 |
| 18:51.05 | wilfredor | dhcp-helper - A DHCP relay agent |
| 18:51.20 | ansi | sepski, what do you mean with boot emulation? |
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| 18:51.53 | biblio | hay alguien? |
| 18:51.58 | wols_ | wilfredor: 686 |
| 18:52.18 | wilfredor | wolffc, thanx |
| 18:52.22 | wols_ | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 18:52.50 | crypt_ex | is snes9x part of the Debians packages? |
| 18:52.52 | sepski | ansi, some motherboards you can chose usb/usb-floppy/usb-hd/usb-cdrom for booting , i had to use usb-floppy |
| 18:53.00 | Roey | crypt_ex: I believe soooo |
| 18:53.13 | abrotman | and it would be PIII anyways :) |
| 18:53.20 | crypt_ex | Roey, I cant see it when I apt-cache search though |
| 18:53.26 | wilfredor | thanx wolffc |
| 18:53.32 | Thanatermesis | what is the port of are open normally for FTP servers ? 20 or 21 ? |
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| 18:53.37 | abrotman | 21 |
| 18:53.40 | ansi | sepski, Thanks a lot for that help. I will try it now with the other boot options. Thanks a lot and have a nice day |
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| 18:53.41 | Thanatermesis | thx |
| 18:53.42 | ansi | bye |
| 18:53.46 | blondie | 20 is ftp-data |
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| 18:53.55 | sepski | ansi, goo0d luck |
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| 18:54.29 | wols_ | Thanatermesis: if you want to let users connect passively (behind NAT or firewall), you also need high port range open |
| 18:54.48 | Roey | crypt_ex: it's on ia32 only for now |
| 18:54.54 | Roey | no amd64 version. |
| 18:55.07 | Thanatermesis | thanks wolffc.. but im just trying to understand why the rsync server to im configuring not works externally :/ |
| 18:55.08 | crypt_ex | ahh :( |
| 18:55.14 | Thanatermesis | the port looks "filtered" on nmap |
| 18:55.24 | crypt_ex | Roey, I was wondering where I can get the openGL for it ? |
| 18:55.31 | crypt_ex | if you know that is Roey |
| 18:55.34 | Thanatermesis | i just know to the ftp works good externally |
| 18:55.54 | wols_ | Thanatermesis: you need to port forward it and tell iptables to open it too. at least if you use ipmasq from debian |
| 18:57.51 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, its a red-hat (centos) machine |
| 18:58.03 | Thanatermesis | iptables ? i don't have needed to configure it on my machine |
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| 18:59.01 | sepski | themolester, are rsyncd listening to the interface ? |
| 18:59.27 | Thanatermesis | 873/tcp filtered rsync <--- this is correct ? |
| 18:59.32 | Thanatermesis | (nmap) |
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| 19:00.18 | wols_ | Thanatermesis: use netstat to check. not nmap |
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| 19:01.01 | sepski | Thanatermesis, filtered means something is blocking access to the port. probably your firewall :) you can run rsync over ssh also tho.. |
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| 19:02.22 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, this is insecure sepski ? in another words... i need to give a user/pass or the user/pass is diferent for this and just uses the "ssh mode" ? (its for a rsync mirror server of ISO's releases) |
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| 19:03.14 | mox | anybody have acpi sleep setup on hp pavilion? |
| 19:03.27 | sepski | Thanatermesis, yeah i'd want to run it as a daemon also in that case |
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| 19:05.37 | Roey | crypt_ex: opengl for snes9x? the package is not snes9x-opengl?? |
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| 19:05.47 | yassine | how can i run a command as an other user ? |
| 19:05.53 | blondie | sudo? |
| 19:05.56 | vsquared | I have a problem with the double-width dash character in japanese text when using 'en_US.UTF-8' as the locale in KDE only |
| 19:06.02 | yassine | starting a service for example |
| 19:06.03 | blondie | or su |
| 19:06.07 | _unstable | !tell yassine about sudo |
| 19:06.36 | vsquared | it seems, only in KDE or Qt apps, that the character is not found, and a box is rendered instead |
| 19:06.43 | vsquared | it works fine in gnome |
| 19:06.44 | yassine | i want the service as a normal user and not as root _unstable |
| 19:06.51 | vsquared | anyone know what might cause that? |
| 19:07.14 | yawg | how might i go about installing debian etch using only a floppy drive? |
| 19:07.16 | vsquared | I'd file a bug report, but I don't know what to file against |
| 19:07.22 | rebellis | !commands rebellis |
| 19:07.39 | sepski | yassine, what service ? |
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| 19:07.51 | yassine | sepski, tomcat |
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| 19:08.20 | sepski | yassine, i imagined the tomcat4 packaged as default ran as a tomcat user.... |
| 19:08.36 | FarrisG | I have a dual-proc xeon box with nothing much going on on it, but the load average has been at 5.0 for some time. <1% cpu usage, and almost no RAM used. Any ideas what could be causing the load average to be so high? |
| 19:08.44 | yassine | sepski, im on an other system where its not the case unfortunatly |
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| 19:09.13 | sepski | yassine, ?? then i have no idea. use the debian package. |
| 19:09.46 | starfishy | Farris: Zombies? |
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| 19:09.58 | yawg | or better yet, is there a way to install a testing package on a stable system? |
| 19:10.12 | sepski | yassine, and perhaps you should ask in your other system's support channel. they are probably more proficent in that system then we are |
| 19:10.12 | FarrisG | starfishy: How would I tell? |
| 19:10.12 | vsquared | I really doubt that kde is the cause, or any subsystem thereof |
| 19:10.14 | yawg | i get a bunch of dependency errors |
| 19:10.16 | mox | has anybody got acpi sleep on hp laptop |
| 19:10.27 | starfishy | Farris: ps -ef |grep defunct |
| 19:10.33 | vsquared | oh, and I'm on unstable |
| 19:10.34 | blondie | mox: yes, in Windows XP |
| 19:10.39 | yassine | sepski, its a self compiled kernel :D |
| 19:10.50 | FarrisG | starfishy: Nothing found |
| 19:11.02 | mox | blondie: on etch |
| 19:11.12 | sepski | yassine, the tomcat4 package should still drop privs to tomcat4 user |
| 19:11.13 | blondie | fat chance |
| 19:11.27 | FarrisG | starfishy: I do have a couple of cpp processes that are hung, not doing anything (strace is dead still), and cannot be killed |
| 19:11.27 | blondie | can't get X11 to work on my HP laptop, so I don't bother with linux on it |
| 19:11.28 | yassine | i solved it sepski |
| 19:11.50 | mox | which card you got? |
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| 19:14.07 | starfishy | farris: they may be zombies too |
| 19:14.18 | starfishy | even if they are still named in the process list |
| 19:14.40 | starfishy | i don't usually give this piece of advice but to get rid of them you may have to reboot your machine |
| 19:14.44 | FarrisG | starfishy: No any way to get rid of them if kill -9 won't do it? |
| 19:14.51 | starfishy | although id at least try to find out why they are hung |
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| 19:14.59 | FarrisG | starfishy: Well, we've already rebooted the machine a few times to get rid of them |
| 19:15.00 | starfishy | no, there is no way if kill -9 wont do it |
| 19:15.13 | starfishy | cpp processes are still there after a reboot? |
| 19:15.33 | FarrisG | starfishy: No, but it's a build we have to complete, so we keep re running it |
| 19:15.44 | starfishy | then find out why they are hung first |
| 19:15.50 | FarrisG | FarrisG: Sometimes they hang, sometimes they don't, and we can't get any info as to why |
| 19:15.53 | starfishy | strace -f -p <PID of hung process> |
| 19:16.02 | stew | FarrisG: if kill -9 doesn't kill a process, you can try killing its parent process |
| 19:16.22 | orchid | does debian have an env variable for text browsers, similar to $BROWSER? |
| 19:16.40 | FarrisG | starfishy: As I sead, strace shows absolutely nothing for these processes once they're hung |
| 19:16.54 | vsquared | is anyone here familiar with how alternate fonts are selected if the current font does not have adequate utf8 coverage? This problem has happened in the past and, before, *removing* system fonts actually solved it |
| 19:17.22 | starfishy | then trace the process from the very beginning to the point where it hangs |
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| 19:17.33 | stew | orchid: you mean like a www browser? or a pager? or what? |
| 19:17.57 | vsquared | it seems that some font's improperly report the character sets they cover... or something, I'm not familiar with it |
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| 19:18.46 | FarrisG | stew: ps claims it's parent process is pid 1 |
| 19:18.47 | orchid | stew: yeah an alternative |
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| 19:19.21 | stew | orchid: i don't believe so, but things should be configured to use /usr/bin/www-browser which is managed with update-alternatives |
| 19:20.18 | vsquared | so... I'm just gonna go keep googling for that, then |
| 19:21.03 | sepski | FarrisG, is this a new box or have it been stable ususaly ? i had a simialr issue on a new ich7 based mmotherboard. zombies with PPID of 1 for no reason. it disapered after i flashed bios. |
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| 19:21.17 | sepski | never seen it on a usualy stable box tho. |
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| 19:21.30 | orchid | stew: ok |
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| 19:23.43 | sepski | a java aplication running in a browser is a real app with it's own ports right ? so ssh -L 80:127.0.0.1:80 wont make a tunnel for such a java aplication. ? |
| 19:24.20 | huhCooL | Hey guys i'm having big problems. After an apt-get upgrade, My XFree86 will no longer load up ... Ive tried to re install the x-window-system package and I get a million failed dependencies .. when I "apt-get -f install" I get an error processing "/var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb" ... then I get Subprocess /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 19:24.26 | huhCooL | any ideas how to clean this mess up? :) |
| 19:24.45 | spikebike | running in a browser means that the app can open any port, but only to the server it was downloaded from |
| 19:25.00 | stew | huhCooL: looks like you don't have xfree anymore but xorg, what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:25.08 | streuner | huhCooL: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 19:26.09 | huhCooL | stew> I was running testing, but I'd changed all my sources to unstable in order to get a newer (working) version of aMule |
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| 19:26.16 | Eulex | huhCooL, you don't get any other error message above the one claiming that /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error? |
| 19:26.34 | Eulex | huhCooL, checked the bts? |
| 19:26.37 | streuner | huhCooL: answer our questions |
| 19:26.47 | huhCooL | streuner> one sec lemme put try that |
| 19:27.01 | starfishy | streuner: it shows the server the package is from |
| 19:27.10 | starfishy | if the package is installed |
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| 19:27.15 | stew | huhCooL: neither testing nor unstable have xfree |
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| 19:27.42 | stew | spikebike: not necessarily |
| 19:27.43 | streuner | x-window-system install xorg then |
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| 19:27.52 | starfishy | no, if the package is in the package database, not only if it is installed |
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| 19:28.37 | stew | starfishy: there is no way to show what server a package is from after it is installed afik |
| 19:28.40 | multi_io | is LVM still the tool of choice in 2.6 kernels for having block devices spread several partitions? |
| 19:28.42 | stew | afaik* |
| 19:29.08 | starfishy | stew: to be precise it shows what server apt would fetch the package from if it was to be installed |
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| 19:29.14 | Eulex | stew, right. but looking at the version number can get you some clue. |
| 19:30.01 | stew | Eulex: i don't see how |
| 19:30.01 | stew | starfishy: right |
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| 19:30.02 | iostream | Hi, what's the best block-size to use when copying with dd from a local harddisk to the same harddisk? |
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| 19:30.08 | huhCooL | stew> okay xorg was what I had before then .. at any rate I cant get a gui to work now. streuner, I get "No Packages found matching libc" then a whole bunch of lines saying "Couldn't stat source package list ..." i can't copy and paste the lines since i'm on my laptop right now and the problem computer is my desktop ... (i dont have ssh installed on here right now either) |
| 19:30.26 | Eulex | stew, well, a version of xorg might never have been in testing, thus you know that it's from an unstable repo. oh, guess I was confusing server with release. <ignore> |
| 19:30.49 | streuner | huhCooL: we need some details in order to help you... |
| 19:30.55 | stew | huhCooL: show us A) what command you are using B) exactly what errors you get C) the output of apt-cache policy for problem packages and D) your sources.list, put them in a pastebin /msg dpkg paster |
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| 19:33.10 | huhCooL | streuner & stew: okay no GUI comes up upon bootup, so when logging on, I attempted to "apt-get install x-window-system" and got countless failed dependencies. I tried "apt-get -f install" and got an error that it was unable to process /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb |
| 19:33.14 | huhCooL | " |
| 19:33.41 | FarrisG | sepski: This is a box that has been in stable production for over 6 months |
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| 19:33.48 | huhCooL | these problems all started after I did an "apt-get dist-ungrade" last night. |
| 19:33.55 | FarrisG | in a pool of 29 other identical boxes with no problem |
| 19:34.01 | die-Sel | wat architecture is an AMD 2200+ under regarding debian |
| 19:34.24 | streuner | k7, i386 |
| 19:34.24 | Eulex | huhCooL, we need exact errors from exact commands. |
| 19:34.47 | streuner | die-Sel: if you using debian installer choose i386 |
| 19:34.47 | starfishy | huhcool: did you try to upgrade to unstable/sid? |
| 19:34.53 | sepski | FarrisG, leave memtest on for the night ? |
| 19:35.08 | die-Sel | yea but for the installation guide, i385 isnt listed |
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| 19:35.25 | huhCooL | starfishy> yes. I tried replacing all the "testings" with "unstables" in my sources.list file the other day. |
| 19:35.35 | Eulex | die-Sel, i386, and it should be there. btw, where are you looking? |
| 19:35.47 | FarrisG | sepski: I also don't think it's a hardware fault, as the same thing has happened once or twice on other machines |
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| 19:36.07 | huhCooL | Eulex> okay I will install SSH on my laptop so I can copy and paste what is actually going on on my desktop .. will just be a minute |
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| 19:36.12 | FarrisG | sepski: It could have something to do with nfs, as we're mounting remote file systems. |
| 19:36.20 | FarrisG | but the load avg keeps climbing |
| 19:36.24 | sepski | FarrisG, your mounting with -o tcp ? |
| 19:36.54 | die-Sel | on http://.uk.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual, i386 isnt listed |
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| 19:37.26 | FarrisG | sepski: No, we're not |
| 19:37.26 | streuner | die-Sel: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 19:37.45 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 19:37.52 | sepski | die-Sel, intel-x86 |
| 19:37.55 | streuner | die-Sel: x86 |
| 19:37.55 | superlinux | while i am running " aoss skype" from terminal i get volume_adjust "SOUND_MIXER_WRITE_IGAIN failed: Invalid argument" esp. while i am voice chatting. what should i do to get rid of that? |
| 19:37.59 | die-Sel | thanks |
| 19:38.35 | sepski | FarrisG, i had 8 boxes on nfs had nfs issues if i didnt mount with tcp. you should see it in syslog or dmesg if you have it |
| 19:39.08 | trueno | how can I redownload the locales package if i have it installed? (packages.debian not working, apt-get install --download-only says it's already intalled ) |
| 19:39.17 | resiak | !reinstall |
| 19:39.17 | dpkg | well, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 19:39.19 | resiak | erm |
| 19:39.25 | FarrisG | sepski: Nothing appears fishy there |
| 19:39.37 | resiak | apt-get install --download-only --reinstall locales, maybe? |
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| 19:39.43 | resiak | Also, try pdo.debian.net |
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| 19:41.10 | sepski | FarrisG, http://osr5doc.sco.com:1997/PERFORM/NFS_tuning.html i'd say that 29 servers is a noisy enviorment. but read for yourself |
| 19:41.20 | trueno | resiak: thanks |
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| 19:42.24 | thefish | if i have made a new kernel and i want to redo it, can i just run make again, or should i delete it all and start again? |
| 19:42.47 | abrotman | sepski: you used a sco document?!!? |
| 19:42.53 | trueno | resiak: I just missed the --reinstall switch before :-0 |
| 19:42.58 | thefish | and should i delete the modules in /lib/modules/{kernel} as well? |
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| 19:43.23 | sepski | abrotman, humm ?? no i cut the wrong url :O |
| 19:43.27 | resiak | Are you using kernel package? |
| 19:43.36 | resiak | s/l p/l-p/ |
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| 19:44.03 | huhCooL | okay everybody I now have SSH installed and can now copy and paste my exact error messages ... okay... i'll start from the beginning. WHen I boot up my computer, my GUI doesn't load up, so I issue the command "startx" and get bash: startx: command not found |
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| 19:44.21 | huhCooL | so obviously there is something wrong with my x-window-system package right? |
| 19:44.28 | resiak | !install x |
| 19:44.28 | dpkg | install xf4 is, like, apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
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| 19:44.40 | thefish | resiak: no, installed kernel source from apt and made |
| 19:44.56 | Wilfredo | hi, I have a DVD 1 Debian Sarge and I wan add it to sources.list. Wich is the line, please? |
| 19:45.04 | resiak | !tell thefish -about kernel-package |
| 19:45.19 | superlinux | while i am running " aoss skype" from terminal i get volume_adjust "SOUND_MIXER_WRITE_IGAIN failed: Invalid argument" esp. while i am voice chatting. what should i do to get rid of that? |
| 19:45.34 | cahoot | huhCooL: I suspect you lack xbase-clients |
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| 19:46.03 | thefish | thanks resiak, will do that, but how do i remove the one i just made without kpkg? |
| 19:46.12 | Eulex | superlinux, debian can't support binary-only third-party software. |
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| 19:46.20 | resiak | thefish: I have no idea. I have never built a kernel without kpkg |
| 19:46.22 | thefish | can i just delete it from /usr/src and /lib/modules? |
| 19:46.24 | huhCooL | okay when I type in "apt-get install x-window-system-core" I get many pages of failed dependencies, but i'll copy and paste the first few, so I dont flood the channel |
| 19:46.28 | thefish | ok |
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| 19:46.30 | resiak | !pastebin |
| 19:46.30 | dpkg | [pastebin] a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or check out http://securelabs.zapto.org/~pureone/src/pastebin.c if your stuck in console only |
| 19:46.31 | Wilfredo | hi, I have a DVD 1 Debian Sarge and I wan add it to sources.list. Wich is the line, please? |
| 19:46.32 | resiak | huhCooL: ^^ |
| 19:46.34 | huhCooL | root@Shepley:/home/huhcool# apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 19:46.34 | huhCooL | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 19:46.34 | huhCooL | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 19:46.34 | huhCooL | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 19:46.34 | huhCooL | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 19:46.38 | resiak | !tell Wilfredo -about repeat |
| 19:46.41 | Eulex | ... |
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| 19:46.53 | stew | !tell huhCooL aobut flood |
| 19:47.00 | huhCooL | sorry about that guys |
| 19:47.05 | huhCooL | i kinda figured that would happen |
| 19:47.07 | FarrisG | sepski: Does sarge's nfs-kernel-server support TCP? |
| 19:47.10 | stew | huhCooL: /msg dpkg paster |
| 19:47.16 | Eulex | Wilfredo, apt-cdrom should do it. |
| 19:47.23 | huhCooL | but you get the idea i get many many failed dependencies |
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| 19:47.31 | resiak | !tell huhCooL -about pastebin |
| 19:47.52 | Wilfredo | Eulex, thanx |
| 19:47.56 | Eulex | huhCooL, checked the bts? |
| 19:48.01 | Eulex | Wilfredo, yw :) |
| 19:48.07 | stew | huhCooL: we have understood that you have unmet dependencies for a while now, but we want to actually see the list so we can help. we didn't see it there becuase you got punted |
| 19:48.31 | huhCooL | Eulex> umm what is the bts? (exuse my stupid questions .. i'm kinda a newbie) |
| 19:48.34 | Eulex | huhCooL, also, unstable does break sometimes. if you don't want occasional breakage, don't use it. |
| 19:48.35 | resiak | !bts |
| 19:48.35 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 19:48.39 | Eulex | !btssmite huhCooL |
| 19:48.57 | Eulex | huhCooL, if you're running unstable, you should know about the bts. |
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| 19:49.07 | double_c | thefish: I should think doing 'make clean' and using the kernel packager would be ok. when you install the package that you make, the modules folder will be named after the package anyway |
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| 19:49.32 | thefish | double_c: ok thanks |
| 19:49.36 | stew | huhCooL: since you are going to post those errors to a pastebin, can you include your sources.list while you're at it |
| 19:49.39 | mox | double_c: nop, make clean is not enough with kernel-package |
| 19:49.43 | thefish | can i change the Makefile to give it a different name? |
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| 19:50.01 | thefish | i am patching vor linux-vserver and want that to be obvious |
| 19:50.03 | Thanatermesis | i need a special configuration for use rsync via ssh ? |
| 19:50.05 | mox | you must run make-kpkg clean if you're build a kernel deb |
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| 19:50.13 | double_c | thefish: see mox's answer |
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| 19:50.34 | thefish | but i did not build a kernel deb |
| 19:50.47 | thefish | i just untard the source and then make |
| 19:50.52 | mox | if you are running debian, you should |
| 19:50.54 | thefish | and then make modules_install |
| 19:51.03 | double_c | mox: right, I run make kpkg clean anyway, I expected that moving from a non-packaged system would just need make clean |
| 19:51.04 | thefish | yes, i see that now :) |
| 19:51.05 | mox | it's easier |
| 19:51.07 | amee2k | when i enable "non-free software packages" during install, how do i know which packages are non-free? |
| 19:51.14 | wols_ | kernel-package makes your life a lot easier |
| 19:51.14 | _unstable | What is a good gui player that will support wmv/asf/mp3/ogg and doesn't use kde-libs or qt, I want something gtk preferably. And it supports play lists so I can reorganize my playlist and organize by artist/date by just clicking that column. |
| 19:51.16 | Wizzleteet | are there any suspend2 patched linux-image debs around ? |
| 19:51.20 | mox | ok, i got things wrong |
| 19:51.36 | mox | thought we're talking about making a deb kernel |
| 19:51.40 | Wizzleteet | quod-libet ? mplayer |
| 19:51.40 | wols_ | unsolo: mplayer, xine |
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| 19:51.49 | mox | make clean or make proper should suffice with vanilla |
| 19:51.50 | wols_ | !marillat |
| 19:51.50 | dpkg | marillat is, like, an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> |
| 19:51.56 | wols_ | go there and get your w32codecs |
| 19:51.58 | stew | amee2k: aptitude will show you which are from free and which are from main |
| 19:52.00 | resiak | _unstable: quod libet, mpd + gmpc, rhythmbox, banshee |
| 19:52.03 | thefish | ok kewl |
| 19:52.16 | thefish | i will def make one with kpkg now i know :) |
| 19:52.24 | huhCooL | okay, everybody I have pasted my failed dependencies to pastebin.ca |
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| 19:52.39 | stew | huhCooL: what is the url |
| 19:52.40 | resiak | Care to give us a more precise URL? |
| 19:52.40 | Eulex | amee2k, apt-cache show will display Section: non-free/foo for packages from unstable. |
| 19:52.44 | curt | Is there a way to lookup all domains attached to an IP from name based hosting? |
| 19:52.58 | thefish | curt whois.sc |
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| 19:53.24 | huhCooL | http://pastebin.ca/43036 |
| 19:53.27 | amee2k | is it also shown when i try to install one or do i need to look them up manually when unsure? |
| 19:53.50 | Wizzleteet | suspend2 kernel images anywhere ? |
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| 19:54.05 | mox | only if you build your own |
| 19:54.15 | abrotman | huhCooL: what are your sources |
| 19:54.16 | Wizzleteet | fa! |
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| 19:54.18 | mox | patch with suspend2 and install |
| 19:54.23 | dano | hello? |
| 19:54.25 | mox | i have my own of 2.6.14 |
| 19:54.28 | amee2k | 'build my own'? |
| 19:54.30 | dano | jimmy? |
| 19:54.34 | abrotman | !suspend2 |
| 19:54.34 | dpkg | it has been said that suspend2 is known as Software Suspend 2 and lets you suspend your Notebook to diskrum within half a minute. (and come back) it is found at suspend2.net) Thanks Nigel for making it such a good working peace :-) |
| 19:54.35 | dano | poooo |
| 19:54.39 | mox | kernel with suspend2 |
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| 19:54.41 | dano | jwav |
| 19:54.42 | dano | stryn |
| 19:54.43 | dano | rtby |
| 19:54.43 | dano | dtrby |
| 19:54.43 | dano | dt |
| 19:54.44 | dano | yb |
| 19:54.45 | dano | drtyb |
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| 19:54.49 | abrotman | moron |
| 19:54.54 | amee2k | heh |
| 19:55.03 | _unstable | lol |
| 19:55.12 | huhCooL | can I pasted my sources to here? (its only about 7-10 lines) or do i have to use pastebin again? |
| 19:55.14 | stew | huhCooL: can you paste the output of "apt-cache policy kdelibs4c2a" and the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:55.24 | blondie | huhCooL: pastebin kthxbye |
| 19:55.29 | Wizzleteet | problem is that patching is done on a vanilla kernel and I want to patch a deb kernel |
| 19:55.32 | stew | huhCooL: don't paste here |
| 19:55.38 | amee2k | wanna try too |
| 19:55.39 | trueno | Where is the "depends" info of a certain package? in the .deb file or in the contents.gz file only? |
| 19:55.40 | amee2k | asd |
| 19:55.41 | amee2k | asdf |
| 19:55.44 | amee2k | asdf |
| 19:55.44 | mox | any word of getting debian stock kernel patched with swsusp2 |
| 19:55.45 | amee2k | asdf |
| 19:55.47 | amee2k | dfg |
| 19:55.49 | amee2k | dfge |
| 19:55.50 | amee2k | r |
| 19:55.50 | blondie | amee2k: GTFO |
| 19:55.52 | amee2k | dfg |
| 19:55.53 | amee2k | dfb |
| 19:55.55 | amee2k | yxcdfg |
| 19:55.56 | amee2k | rg |
| 19:55.56 | blondie | shut the fuck up |
| 19:55.57 | abrotman | amee2k: STOP |
| 19:55.58 | amee2k | sdfg |
| 19:55.59 | stew | !ops amee2k needs a +q |
| 19:56.00 | amee2k | sdfg |
| 19:56.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: amee2k needs a +q |
| 19:56.01 | amee2k | ert |
| 19:56.04 | amee2k | erz |
| 19:56.05 | amee2k | rtu |
| 19:56.07 | amee2k | zu |
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| 19:56.11 | Wilfredo | I need install rt2500 wireless but I dont have Internet conexion, only the DVD 1 of Sarge, please Send me a man link :( |
| 19:56.20 | stew | LoRez: thanks |
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| 19:56.28 | mox | lorez: good:) |
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| 19:56.55 | stew | trueno: they are in the deb in the control file of the control.tar.gz |
| 19:57.27 | trueno | stew: how can I extract them? |
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| 19:57.43 | trueno | stew: I might have to screw something up manually |
| 19:58.07 | huhCooL | okay the contents of my sources.list file has been pasted to http://pastebin.ca/43037 |
| 19:58.11 | _unstable | diana@cookooland:~$ banshee |
| 19:58.12 | _unstable | Warning: [02/24/2006 14:57:48] (Cannot connect to NetworkManager) - An available, working network connection will be assumed |
| 19:58.24 | _unstable | Isn't that the Ubuntu program...debian doesn't have that. |
| 19:58.25 | resiak | What's your point? |
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| 19:58.52 | _unstable | Why is the warning there? |
| 19:58.52 | trueno | Wilfredo: what do you need exactly? btw... how are you connected to the irc if you don't have inet? |
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| 19:59.12 | _unstable | ** (<unknown>:8637): WARNING **: Could not find or create the 'playbin' GStreamer plugin |
| 19:59.15 | _unstable | Player Engine `GStreamer Engine' failed init tests... disabling (Could not initialize GStreamer library) |
| 19:59.16 | resiak | _unstable: Because there's no point in patching out the NetworkManager stuff in banshee. It's entirely possible that NW will be in Debian's repos at some point |
| 19:59.48 | _unstable | resiak: I get this error in starting banshee...about playbin. Not sure what to do. |
| 19:59.56 | resiak | check the bts? |
| 20:01.10 | Estes2 | how can i checl what files/directories in the whole filesystem are owned by group X or user Y ? |
| 20:01.20 | abrotman | man find |
| 20:01.23 | die-Sel | any reason why durning Hardware Detction and Loading moudual 'ide-cd' for 'Linux ATAPI CD-ROM'... wud hang at 86% maybe its a normal thing? |
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| 20:01.26 | YerbaBuena | hey people anybody have one program what i use how proxy i know wanna what the poeple get mi i[ |
| 20:01.35 | resiak | !confuse YerbaBuena |
| 20:01.35 | dpkg | Yes, who was my weasel yesterday, YerbaBuena? pants of the people's republic of mongolia with extra cream |
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| 20:01.40 | E0x | hello |
| 20:01.50 | E0x | dont exist a net install cd of sid ? |
| 20:01.53 | abrotman | no |
| 20:01.58 | huhCooL | stew> both of those have been pasted to http://pastebin.ca/43037 and pastebin.ca/43038 |
| 20:01.59 | E0x | :'( |
| 20:02.00 | resiak | !iyhtays |
| 20:02.00 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 20:02.15 | useruser | E0x: knoppix + debbootstrap |
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| 20:02.34 | abrotman | or do it the correct way |
| 20:02.44 | E0x | ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/ |
| 20:02.46 | YerbaBuena | ahhhhhhhh |
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| 20:02.53 | E0x | what one i need download ? |
| 20:02.55 | YerbaBuena | i need help with that |
| 20:02.57 | resiak | FFS |
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| 20:03.01 | resiak | E0x: Do not install Sid. |
| 20:03.08 | E0x | resiak i want sid |
| 20:03.18 | abrotman | don't .. please |
| 20:03.19 | resiak | E0x: You want your system to break all the time? Good good! |
| 20:03.22 | resiak | *plonk* |
| 20:03.27 | abrotman | it will just kill the kittens |
| 20:03.43 | abrotman | Everytime an idiot uses sid .. god kills a puppy |
| 20:03.43 | Eulex | E0x, can you unbreak a system when your kernel refuses to boot because of yaird breakage? |
| 20:03.44 | E0x | etch then ? |
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| 20:04.17 | Eulex | E0x, have you got a little more than basic knowledge of the debian package management? |
| 20:04.18 | beardy | E0x: There's nothing wrong with sarge. What is your reason not torun sarge? |
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| 20:04.27 | Estes2 | E0x, why on earth would you want something you're not able to fix when it breaks ? |
| 20:04.31 | E0x | Eulex i hope |
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| 20:04.36 | Estes2 | E0x, use sarge |
| 20:04.56 | E0x | too old package for me |
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| 20:05.01 | Estes2 | heh |
| 20:05.02 | abrotman | what's too old? |
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| 20:05.17 | Estes2 | E0x, too tested and sure it works package for you ? |
| 20:05.17 | shining | does everyone use sarge here? |
| 20:05.19 | E0x | 3 version of old is old for me |
| 20:05.24 | abrotman | shining: yes .. of course we do |
| 20:05.27 | Bitz | hi, i setup nis automap for autofs mounting home directory and it doesn't seem to work, any suggestions? |
| 20:05.29 | abrotman | E0x: it's not three years old |
| 20:05.30 | mox | nop |
| 20:05.41 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 20:05.42 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 20:05.50 | Bitz | any ideas why the nis client does not recieve the auto maps from the nis server |
| 20:05.54 | abrotman | oh dear .. 9 months old! |
| 20:05.54 | E0x | abrotman 3 _VERSION_ compare with the last one of a packages |
| 20:06.01 | sepski | FarrisG, yes it does support tcp (late reply was putting kids to bed) |
| 20:06.07 | mox | sarge is server os |
| 20:06.11 | abrotman | E0x: that doesn't make any god damned sense |
| 20:06.15 | abrotman | !sns syndrome |
| 20:06.15 | dpkg | methinks sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 20:06.17 | die-Sel | !dpkg |
| 20:06.17 | abrotman | mox: no it's not |
| 20:06.18 | dpkg | well, dpkg is mad |
| 20:06.25 | mox | it's supposed to be stable not now |
| 20:06.30 | beardy | dpkg: and rightfully so |
| 20:06.34 | abrotman | mox: it's for people who want to use stable systems .. |
| 20:06.42 | mox | i ran sarge on my laptop unitl a month |
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| 20:06.45 | shining | E0x: it doesn't add anything most of the times.. or maybe bugs |
| 20:06.45 | abrotman | with a known set of bugs |
| 20:06.48 | sepski | FarrisG, it did have a positive effect on my network atleas in that it stopped the NFS server not responding... NFS Server OK messages all the time with the sideeffects that made |
| 20:06.50 | kyncani | E0x: if you want to test sid, you don't need a sid install cd, just install sarge and upgrade to sid |
| 20:06.52 | Estes2 | E0x, what is the breand last new feature that just was released in which software you absolutly need ? |
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| 20:07.00 | abrotman | kyncani: DON'T FUCKING DO THAT |
| 20:07.09 | beardy | kyncani: You support him from now on. |
| 20:07.20 | E0x | Estes2 i dont need any particulary software |
| 20:07.22 | abrotman | kyncani: it's quite obvious he should not be running sid |
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| 20:07.34 | kyncani | abrotman: just let him test it and his own goddamn opinion (i think) |
| 20:07.34 | trueno | Is there a way to replace the control file of a .deb and then putting it back to the .deb file? |
| 20:07.36 | Katabroc | I cant telnet, connect through browser, or even ping my modem on 192.168.1.1 in debian, but in windows is working fine, anyone have an idea what might be? |
| 20:07.47 | Estes2 | E0x, so why not following the advice of a whole community that use debian since years and try what we say ? |
| 20:07.47 | abrotman | kyncani: good .. you support him |
| 20:07.52 | beardy | kyncani: No one is stopping him. |
| 20:07.58 | kyncani | abrotman: and yes, he'll turn back from sid very soon ;) |
| 20:08.06 | mox | he can dig his own hole:) |
| 20:08.07 | Estes2 | E0x, it will let you discover softly debian, then do what you wish |
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| 20:08.13 | abrotman | kyncani: or come in here and whine for days and days |
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| 20:08.19 | mox | i suggest etch... |
| 20:08.29 | kyncani | beardy, abrotman: yeah ... |
| 20:08.31 | mox | and pull what you need from sid |
| 20:08.31 | Eulex | kyncani, ... or come in here and whine about how broken debian sid is |
| 20:08.36 | shining | isn't etch as/more broken than sid? |
| 20:08.39 | E0x | Estes2 i use debian since woody was unstable |
| 20:08.51 | sepski | E0x, woody was never unstable ! |
| 20:08.52 | mox | shining: www.debian.org |
| 20:08.55 | E0x | when it coming stable i stop of using it |
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| 20:09.07 | Eulex | shining, not anymore. was quite broken with the libxft2 breakage for a few days. |
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| 20:09.18 | resiak | Why can't you people actually use his nick so that my ignore catches it!? :) |
| 20:09.20 | beardy | E0x: Why do you need to ask then? |
| 20:09.22 | Estes2 | E0x, if you realy did, you would know how to switch to sid and you CERTAINLY wouldn't want sid |
| 20:09.25 | empty_mind | is it possible to have two different versions of a library installed simultaneously on debian and application be specified which version to use ? |
| 20:09.28 | shining | on the last few months I mean |
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| 20:09.40 | mox | that's a gentoo trick |
| 20:09.42 | abrotman | shining: depends on the day |
| 20:09.48 | shining | ok |
| 20:10.05 | mox | never tried having two versions of a same lib on the system and then crosslinking |
| 20:10.14 | mox | probably not a walk in the park |
| 20:10.20 | E0x | Estes2 i know thing think can broke and more now that the debian-team is work so fast that ever , but i dont want packages too old |
| 20:10.33 | Eulex | empty_mind, not if the libraries don't support it. |
| 20:10.35 | abrotman | ok .. what newer packages do you need? |
| 20:10.43 | Eulex | empty_mind, which most don't. |
| 20:10.51 | abrotman | bah .. i give up .. too much stupidity |
| 20:10.57 | E0x | heh |
| 20:11.05 | Estes2 | E0x, there's two kind of people running sid, skilled devloppers that know what they are doing and stupid people that will soon switch to an other distro telling debian sucks because they didn't manage to do anything with because... they want last version of the software |
| 20:11.06 | abrotman | *smurf* |
| 20:11.30 | mox | estes2: i agry..but not absolutly:) |
| 20:11.33 | E0x | that is what i asking about etch |
| 20:11.40 | gentgeen__ | Just did a reboot, after 18 days of up time, and now when I enter my username I get "system bootup in progress - please wait" === and can only log in as root ... any thoughts on why? |
| 20:11.47 | Estes2 | mox, it's irc, i can't develop and write a book here :P |
| 20:11.48 | mox | etch? |
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| 20:12.06 | Eulex | E0x, install stable, dist-upgrade to etch. if you don't know how to dist-upgrade, you shouldn't. |
| 20:12.11 | shining | I'm the second kind |
| 20:12.18 | abrotman | we noticed |
| 20:12.18 | mox | gentgen? you're having problems with rmnoloing in /Etc/init.d |
| 20:12.20 | gnufan | Estes2: I'm not a skilled developer -- nor stupid -- but then I only run Sid at home -- at work it is Sarge everywhere I can use it. |
| 20:12.50 | mox | gentgeen:open /etc/init.d/rmnologin |
| 20:12.56 | empty_mind | Eulex, i am facing a problem. I upgraded by deb distro using dist-upgrade. Now if i try to run a pny pyqt app it fails throwing an error in libxft2 library. When i googled i found that pyqt works fine with libxft2 versions upto 2.7.1-7 but deb testing has libxft2 version 2.8-1. So i am in a limbo |
| 20:12.58 | kreg_work | i can't stand xchat's newer themes. why did they ditch the regular black theme? |
| 20:13.07 | Estes2 | gnufan, exception confirms the rule |
| 20:13.11 | E0x | Eulex if will download a .iso file why dont download the one i want ? |
| 20:13.13 | mox | bootmisc.sh is writing nologin to /etc |
| 20:13.14 | abrotman | kreg_work: it's still there |
| 20:13.17 | gentgeen__ | mox .. ok.... not sure what to look for |
| 20:13.20 | curt | !libxft2 |
| 20:13.26 | Eulex | E0x, because the etch one is beta. |
| 20:13.32 | stew | kreg_work: to try to get you to switch to irssi-text |
| 20:13.35 | mox | and rmnologin is deleting /var/run/nologin |
| 20:13.35 | empty_mind | to run pyqt apps i have to install libxft2 version 2.7-1 (which is in stable tree) and when work is finished i have to revert to newer version |
| 20:14.04 | Eulex | empty_mind, what exact error do you get? |
| 20:14.04 | Estes2 | E0x, because you know nothing about debian, you should read what is stable, testing and unstable, you'd know why tomorow your cds will be outdated |
| 20:14.09 | E0x | Eulex and why do you tell about make a dist-upgrade ? |
| 20:14.12 | empty_mind | so is there a way i can install both version and tell pyqt apps to load 2.7-1 |
| 20:14.15 | _unstable | Is there anyway I can have rhythmbox support wma/asf audio formats(like mplayer does or xmms[with the xmms-wma plugin])? (Is there a rhythmbox channel on freenode?(for development, I think rhythmbox needed help reading the meta data from wma/asf files, but I couldn't find the channel or a quick way to find devs...I know about #gnome and #debian-gnome) |
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| 20:14.25 | mox | gentgeen: under rm -f /var/lib/initscripts/nologin |
| 20:14.25 | mox | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.30 | abrotman | _unstable: it's probably on irc.gnome.org |
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| 20:14.34 | Eulex | E0x, that's how you upgrade. but if you don't know how to issue a dist-upgrade; you shouldn't |
| 20:14.37 | amee2k | I apologize for that ... recent bad idea |
| 20:14.39 | empty_mind | Eulex, i get this error "/usr/lib/libXft.so.2: undefined symbol: FT_GlyphSlot_Embolden" |
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| 20:14.44 | Estes2 | E0x, did you ever use debian or you "come from" mandrake or fedora ? |
| 20:14.50 | _unstable | awesome thanks abrotman |
| 20:14.54 | E0x | Estes2 i think i have some knowledge of debian |
| 20:14.58 | Eulex | empty_mind, ok, upgrade to the latest testing. it fixes this. |
| 20:15.10 | Estes2 | E0x, i think you should reconsider this |
| 20:15.12 | E0x | Estes2 ( i use debian in the past ) |
| 20:15.24 | Eulex | empty_mind, you need libfreetype6 2.1.10-1 |
| 20:15.29 | empty_mind | Eulex, dist-upgrade is already running in background lets hope it works |
| 20:15.35 | Estes2 | simply used or administrated your station ? |
| 20:15.40 | E0x | both |
| 20:15.51 | Estes2 | No offence, i think you lie |
| 20:15.52 | mox | genrgeen: we're you able to login to shell? |
| 20:15.53 | gentgeen__ | mox, that did it... thanks... do you know why/what caused that change to be needed? |
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| 20:15.58 | E0x | Estes2 ok |
| 20:16.05 | empty_mind | ok Eulex |
| 20:16.12 | starfishy | sid is simple: if someone has to ask how to fix its glitches they shouldnt run it |
| 20:16.14 | Eulex | empty_mind, apt-cache policy libfreetype6 to see what version it will upgrade to, if any. |
| 20:16.19 | mox | i think the guys changed something in sysv package |
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| 20:16.27 | empty_mind | it is upgrading to libfreetype6 2.1.10-1 |
| 20:16.42 | empty_mind | i checked the downloaded package version |
| 20:16.43 | mox | that is, they changed the place where nologin file gets written |
| 20:16.49 | Eulex | empty_mind, ok, when that upgrade is done, it should be fixed |
| 20:16.50 | E0x | Estes2 just answer a question , how unstable is right now etch ? |
| 20:16.58 | empty_mind | Eulex, ok |
| 20:17.21 | dumezil | how do i use minicom to open up a serial terminal to a device (such as a switch)? |
| 20:17.22 | gentgeen__ | mox, Thanks |
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| 20:17.29 | Eulex | E0x, it's ok right now, but it's not about how stable it is right now. it *will* break occasionally. |
| 20:17.33 | mox | your're welcome |
| 20:17.39 | E0x | perfect |
| 20:17.43 | E0x | i can live with that |
| 20:17.48 | mox | you updated sysv in those 18days of uptime:) |
| 20:17.50 | beardy | dumezil: configure it to use the serial port to which the thing is connected |
| 20:18.27 | dumezil | beardy: ok but then how do i get it 'online' and dial...? |
| 20:18.35 | Eulex | E0x, for example, just a few days ago libxft2 broke and many gtk and qt apps stopped working. |
| 20:18.51 | dumezil | obviously there is no modem there to dial... i just want a direct serial connection |
| 20:18.57 | beardy | dumezil: If you configured it correctly, whatever login screen or similar there is, will be displayed. |
| 20:19.04 | E0x | another question and the final one , now i see the cd image have the date and a number , how i know wich one donwload ? |
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| 20:19.25 | E0x | Eulex ok |
| 20:19.29 | Eulex | E0x, if you have to ask, you shouldn't use the etch installer. |
| 20:19.52 | E0x | why not ? |
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| 20:20.11 | stew | E0x: if you wish to test the beta installer for etch, thats great, just understand that it is beta and likely broken. installing sarge first is the recommended path |
| 20:20.22 | shining | E0x: because you have to search by yourself, that's what the web is for |
| 20:20.27 | Estes2 | E0x, basicaly to go to ech, what i do (i only do it because i take care of a package of debian) i install sarge and dist-upgrade to etch |
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| 20:20.40 | pedrus^ | ciao |
| 20:20.46 | Eulex | !it |
| 20:20.47 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 20:20.47 | beardy | shining: I thought it was for commercial crap and porn? |
| 20:20.57 | abrotman | why haven't you just sent him to #ubuntu .. it's obvious he shouldn't be using sid .. |
| 20:20.58 | Estes2 | E0x, http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 20:21.11 | E0x | ok , i can use the sarge floppy disk and change the deb mirror for install the etch base system ? |
| 20:21.21 | gnufan | E0x: yes |
| 20:21.24 | E0x | perfect |
| 20:21.26 | abrotman | it will get him what he wants .. shiny broken stuff |
| 20:21.31 | shining | E0x: hmm yep, why don't you use ubuntu? |
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| 20:21.48 | E0x | shining why i need use it ? |
| 20:21.55 | beardy | he'll just come back, and not even run Debian, and whine.. |
| 20:21.56 | shining | E0x: what abrotman said |
| 20:22.11 | shining | :) |
| 20:22.35 | abrotman | someone actually registered yhbt.net? |
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| 20:22.37 | gnufan | Ah but if you want shiny and broken go to Redmond. |
| 20:22.52 | starfishy | redmont = shiny? |
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| 20:23.09 | shining | for many ppl, it seems so |
| 20:23.32 | Eulex | and if he wants something even more shiny and broken: *shudder* mandriva 2006 |
| 20:23.44 | shining | lol |
| 20:23.54 | die-Sel | for some reasn the install ownt mount the cd, anyone know whats causing this |
| 20:23.55 | S4nD3r | id like to protect my grub with password, how to do ? |
| 20:24.07 | beardy | Things with the year in the name should just be burnt on sight. |
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| 20:24.34 | resiak | S4nD3r: `info grub` ? |
| 20:24.47 | E0x | Eulex the ppl wich that use mandriva dont have the knowledge for broke mandriva so is fine |
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| 20:25.11 | die-Sel | anyone know wat is cauing my ptobs? |
| 20:25.31 | E0x | ptobs ? |
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| 20:25.47 | abrotman | poor keyboarding skills? |
| 20:25.51 | kspath | problems? |
| 20:25.53 | starfishy | die-sel: any number of possible reasons. be more specific about what happens |
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| 20:26.26 | Eulex | mandriva 2006 includes an svn version of xffm (the file manager of xfce) and older versions for the rest of xfce. xffm hijacks the desktop if run, and you get the nice 'title-exceeds-the-taskbar-boxes'-effect because they combined xfce 4.2.2 with gtk 2.8 (whose pango worked a little differently than older ones). these can be noticed within using it for 2 minutes. also, they include a beta of xorg 7.0. |
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| 20:26.37 | Petaris | Is there a mysql-server-dev package? Or some other package that would have the mysql-server-5.0 includes? |
| 20:26.55 | die-Sel | after this: Hardware Detction and Loading moudual 'ide-cd' for 'Linux ATAPI CD-ROM'. < i get the error Cannout mound disk in cd rom |
| 20:26.59 | E0x | xorg 7.0 is not beta |
| 20:27.01 | die-Sel | try again > Yes or No |
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| 20:27.17 | die-Sel | and i took yes and now its just sitting with ablur screen with no wriing on it |
| 20:27.32 | E0x | :s |
| 20:27.42 | E0x | the next tiem say _NO_ |
| 20:27.43 | E0x | :P |
| 20:27.54 | kspath | die-Sel: try switching to vty1 and vty2 and vty7 and back again? |
| 20:27.55 | dbe | Petaris, mysql-server-5.0 |
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| 20:28.14 | die-Sel | vty1 ??? |
| 20:28.23 | Eulex | E0x, yes, but they included a beta of xorg 7.0. |
| 20:28.29 | E0x | oh ok |
| 20:28.35 | dbe | Petaris, apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 with other words |
| 20:28.35 | E0x | that is not 7.0 |
| 20:28.37 | E0x | :P |
| 20:28.46 | E0x | s/that/then/g |
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| 20:28.48 | kspath | die-Sel: ctrl-alt-F1 .... ? |
| 20:29.10 | mox | %s/that/then/g |
| 20:29.26 | E0x | copycat ? |
| 20:29.32 | Petaris | dbe: does the server package inclued the "include" files though? Usually they are found in a coresponding "-dev" package? |
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| 20:30.10 | dbe | Petaris, dunno, install and try, the mysl files is int /etc/var/lib/mysql/ |
| 20:30.32 | Petaris | dbe: ok, thanks |
| 20:30.42 | dbe | Petaris, MySQL files* |
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| 20:31.02 | dbe | Petaris, what are you trying to do? |
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| 20:31.17 | ^B3B4370^ | how i can change font color font type and eventualy resolution in pure console mode (w/o x server) ? |
| 20:31.20 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 20:31.56 | dbe | Fox_1_, hello fellow |
| 20:31.58 | ^B3B4370^ | lelike knoppix on boot! |
| 20:31.59 | Petaris | dbe: build dspam, only I didn't want to install mysql on the machine as I will have it using a mysql install on the mailserver while in production |
| 20:32.45 | Fox_1_ | people i need docs about exim, but not for exim4.conf file, for eximconf(update-exim4.conf.conf). |
| 20:32.48 | Petaris | dbe: The dspam box will just be an smtp relay sitting in front of the mailserver |
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| 20:33.09 | dbe | Petaris, right |
| 20:33.29 | dbe | Petaris, are you familiar with exim4? |
| 20:33.46 | ^B3B4370^ | hi |
| 20:33.51 | Petaris | dbe: It wants the includes for the mysql_drv driver |
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| 20:34.04 | Petaris | dbe: only a little, I will be using Postfix |
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| 20:34.30 | dbe | Petaris, ok, I'm not there myselft actually so there maybe is another way around |
| 20:34.50 | akant | Hey all, I have a large 51gig log file that grew in about an hour! I deleted it with rm but df still shows my hd full..?? |
| 20:34.53 | Petaris | dbe: You doing something similar? |
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| 20:34.58 | akant | ideas? |
| 20:35.13 | dbe | Petaris, not with smtp, but I'm running LAMP, look at sovix.org |
| 20:35.35 | krassy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:36.32 | sepski | akant, perhaps something was holding the file open. try restart the app accessing the logfile (wild guesswork) |
| 20:36.33 | Petaris | dbe: What is the goal? |
| 20:37.02 | kspath | krassy: vga=791 or vga=795 or whatever? |
| 20:37.04 | Petaris | dbe: just utilities? |
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| 20:37.23 | Newck | i'd like my mail server to auto-filter spam and put it in a "Spam" IMAP folder per user... what's a good app for that? |
| 20:37.39 | kspath | krassy: There is also svgatextmode |
| 20:37.39 | dbe | Petaris, and more |
| 20:37.58 | Petaris | kspath: spamassasin or dspam |
| 20:38.11 | Petaris | kspath: sorry, wrong nick |
| 20:38.13 | dbe | Petaris, I start with Bash, I'm just one years old in GNU/Linux so |
| 20:38.23 | dbe | Petaris, but Perl is on it's way =) |
| 20:38.28 | Petaris | Newck: spamassasin or dspam |
| 20:39.11 | dbe | Petaris, look at the "Free source" in the footer ;) |
| 20:39.33 | Newck | Petaris: thnx |
| 20:39.39 | Eulex | krassy, resolution: append vga=foo, where foo is a vesa vbe mode in hex + 0x300. run hwinfo --framebuffer to see what vesa vbe modes your video card can do. |
| 20:39.39 | Petaris | dbe: I can only do very simple things with perl, but I have Oreily's Learning Perl book I am reading through |
| 20:39.51 | Eulex | krassy, text colour and style: dunno |
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| 20:40.55 | dbe | Petaris, sovix.org is a free source website, the plan is to support it with plenty of features, http://sovix.org/site_standards is the begining |
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| 20:42.32 | die-Sel | the installer cant find my cd :( |
| 20:42.46 | Petaris | dbe: neat |
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| 20:43.30 | Petaris | dbe: my site doesn't like IE but thats ok ;) |
| 20:43.34 | Eulex | die-Sel, tried both kernels? |
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| 20:43.56 | dbe | Petaris, hahaha, I build against their standard |
| 20:43.56 | die-Sel | i only download cd1 from fromthe ireland mirror |
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| 20:44.04 | mindbob | Is anyone in here familiar with godaddy.com. I have registered a domain name and im trying to find out where i can register its nameservers for the domain but i cant for the life of me find it its such a horrible site, anyone know where abouts it iss? or if its under an odd heading? |
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| 20:44.21 | Eulex | die-Sel, you probably only need one cd. |
| 20:44.23 | Petaris | dbe: I used 24 bit transparent png files that IE doesn't like |
| 20:44.26 | dbe | Petaris, the golden rule is to not follow the flow |
| 20:44.44 | dbe | Petaris, hello my friend, I use only .png and .jpg |
| 20:44.48 | die-Sel | mindbob : godaddy sen du an email with the nameservers to point ur domain 2 |
| 20:44.59 | dbe | Petaris, .ico (microsoft), .gif (IBM patent) |
| 20:45.05 | die-Sel | it shud come after about an hour after payment is confirmed |
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| 20:45.17 | Petaris | dbe: http://katerina.frederic.k12.wi.us/pages/IT.html |
| 20:45.23 | die-Sel | Eulex: any ideas on how to work around this ? |
| 20:45.23 | Eulex | dbe, jpeg is patented too. |
| 20:45.38 | Petaris | dbe: http://nwwitg.frederic.k12.wi.us/ |
| 20:45.39 | Eulex | die-Sel, have you tried both kernels? |
| 20:45.44 | dbe | Eulex, yes, but gnu.org is using them so I guess thats ok? |
| 20:45.46 | Petaris | dbe: Those are two of my sites |
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| 20:46.04 | die-Sel | how do i try another one from the same cd? do i not have to download another one |
| 20:46.05 | mindbob | die-Sel, yes but there is an option if you want to host them your self to point them to your ip |
| 20:46.38 | Eulex | dbe, yes, I think it is. |
| 20:47.15 | dbe | Eulex, why does the GNU project using .jpg then do you think, they have policys "no .gif due to patent problems", this shold be included as well, don't you think? |
| 20:47.28 | dbe | Petaris, join #unics for LAMP devel |
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| 20:48.06 | superlinux | hi all |
| 20:48.18 | Eulex | dbe, I don't know |
| 20:48.22 | beardy | dbe: The jpeg patent doesn't have the same kind of problems probably. |
| 20:48.27 | die-Sel | mindbob : gimme a fews mins till i c if i can find it :) |
| 20:48.47 | mindbob | good luck |
| 20:48.53 | mindbob | i've been trying for ages |
| 20:49.00 | mindbob | im just looking over the user guide now |
| 20:49.03 | trueno | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.05 | hyksos | hi, my syslog says: No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled. but i have copied the actual System.map into /boot ? what else could it cause? |
| 20:49.06 | Eulex | die-Sel, linux and linux26 at the lilo prompt, I think. |
| 20:49.09 | gnufan | mindbob: me tucows reseller ;) |
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| 20:49.20 | Eulex | hyksos, compiled your own kernel? |
| 20:49.21 | smagy2 | hello folks, would appreciate some help on this, when i executed mount -t nfs 192.168.0.100:/usr/lib/test mountpoint it complained.. mount: unknown filesystem type 'nfs' what support could i be missing in the kernel ? |
| 20:49.26 | disposable | i put link to Eclipse into /usr/bin, didn't work. i wrote shell script with the path to Eclipse, didn't work. what the hell is wrong with it? how am i supposed to start a java program without having to type absolute path every time? |
| 20:49.28 | die-Sel | Eulex: the error am getting is: cdrom-detect: CDROM mount failed (error=1: device=/dev/cdroms/cdrom0 |
| 20:49.47 | Eulex | die-Sel, tried looking at another tty to see the full error? |
| 20:49.52 | superlinux | how can i backup the whole installed system on a CD? what application should i use? |
| 20:49.56 | hyksos | smagy2 :selfbuild kernel? |
| 20:50.09 | smagy2 | hyksos: yeah |
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| 20:50.28 | Eulex | hyksos, if so, you could try using make-kpkg instead of make. |
| 20:50.39 | Eulex | smagy2, then you haven't built in support for nfs. |
| 20:50.40 | hyksos | smagy2 : grep your kernel config about NFS |
| 20:50.43 | die-Sel | Eulex: Ctrl + Alt + F? |
| 20:51.04 | Eulex | die-Sel, yes, those. there should be a tty that shows the output from all commands run. |
| 20:51.05 | gnufan | disposable: is this the eclipse packages? |
| 20:51.26 | disposable | gnufan: are there eclipse packages? |
| 20:51.27 | hyksos | Eulex : what does make-kpgk do what make isnt doing? in the case of System.map? |
| 20:51.48 | disposable | gnufan: just untarred into a direcory |
| 20:52.05 | smagy2 | hykos: hhmmn , ok will check it . |
| 20:52.08 | Eulex | hyksos, it does everything automatically. it creates a .deb of the kernel for you. just dpkg -i it, and then it setups everything needed. done. |
| 20:52.37 | hyksos | Eulex :i know, i find it to unconvenient, but i dont think that solves my problem |
| 20:52.42 | gnufan | disposable: definitely in sid -- never tried in earlier versions -- I only went as far as loading up the C stuff, and thinking - urm I think it works better for Java developers and ran away... but I think it "just worked" from the packages. |
| 20:52.46 | Ireul | please, I've got a problem upgrading from sarge to sid... udev won't update due to kernel version < 2.6.12... |
| 20:53.15 | Eulex | Ireul, try installing a new kernel first. |
| 20:53.17 | kreg_work | can someone help me understand colors with different terminals? i have a work server that suppports colors with each use profile on the command line. works fine from keyboard. however when i ssh into the server from my laptop using Eterm, i don't get color coding. so i would assume the terminal is the problem. however when i type in the ssh session "ls --color" it worked???? if the server itself is configured to use color, why |
| 20:53.17 | kreg_work | would i have to type ls --color ? |
| 20:53.35 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: that's because you're installing udev, which needs a kernel >> 2.6.12 installed in order to complete the installation. |
| 20:53.36 | Ireul | Eulex: it won't install |
| 20:53.38 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: upgrade your kernel. |
| 20:53.44 | Ireul | Eulex: it won't install |
| 20:53.45 | disposable | gnufan: well, i'm not tryin anything from sid. i just need to know how to correctly start java applications without having to type absolute paths |
| 20:53.48 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 20:53.48 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 20:53.48 | smagy2 | i have another nfs related problem. i am trying mount nfs directory as root during boot time. it complains VFS: Cannor open root device "nfs" or unknown block (0,255) . Please append a corrent "root=" boot option and a kernel panic. i know for sure the kernel has nfs support built into it and not as a module |
| 20:53.51 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: it won't install |
| 20:53.58 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: it will install, configuration of udev just won't complete. |
| 20:54.53 | Eulex | hyksos, why would it be unconvenient? why would it not solve this quite obvious pebkac? |
| 20:54.59 | yggdrasil | hey guys sorry to keep buggin can somne explain to : i used to add a certain driver to my /etc/hotplug/blaklist and now that were using udev where can i add that information ? |
| 20:54.59 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: linux-image-2.6.15 didn't install |
| 20:55.10 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 20:55.10 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 20:55.31 | Eulex | Ireul, exact error, pleeeaaase? |
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| 20:55.34 | dondelelcaro | !tell Ireul -about bat |
| 20:55.45 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: follow those instructions and give us the exact output. |
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| 20:56.02 | hyksos | Eulex :why should it solve it? it doesnt change anything with System.map and there are the kernel symbols to load, or? |
| 20:56.07 | kreg_work | no one? |
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| 20:56.29 | disposable | gnufan: i'll do a bit of pathology on that sid package and see what it does when you install it, i'll probably just steal the script that executes it. |
| 20:56.33 | Ftroop | is there ntfs support in etch with 2.6-15 kernel? |
| 20:56.35 | Eulex | hyksos, I don't know. what I know is that it installs a kernel *correctly* |
| 20:56.41 | Eulex | Ftroop, yes. |
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| 20:56.51 | gnufan | kreg_work: I thing things in the profile alias "ls " to "ls -colour",,,, so probably just the way you login. |
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| 20:57.33 | Ftroop | what packages do i need i cant seem to get the thing to work? |
| 20:57.43 | kreg_work | gnufan, shouldn't sshing into a box with a user trigger the same bash profile? |
| 20:57.48 | Eulex | Ftroop, define "doesn't work" |
| 20:57.57 | smagy2 | Ftroop: you need to compile your kernel for that support |
| 20:58.00 | wols_ | Ftroop: there is only read-only access |
| 20:58.01 | Ireul | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_0.085-1_i386,deb (--unpack) |
| 20:58.05 | huhCooL | hey everyone thanks for your help earlier ... i'm slowly starting to get things in order here ... one question though, what SHOULD i be using, xserver-xfree86, or xserver-xorg? |
| 20:58.06 | wols_ | linux cannot write to ntfs |
| 20:58.19 | huhCooL | (whats the difference) |
| 20:58.34 | wols_ | huhCooL: xorg |
| 20:58.37 | hyksos | wols_ :it can, but its experimental |
| 20:58.39 | Eulex | wols_, yes it can. but very limited so far. |
| 20:58.40 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: ok? |
| 20:58.49 | gnufan | kreg_work: I'd have thought so -- mine are in .bashrc -- don't support typing "bash" fixes it? |
| 20:58.52 | mox | anybody have any expirience with kphone? |
| 20:58.53 | Ftroop | yes i had ro access b4 on sarge with a ntfs module but cant find what i need on etch |
| 20:58.56 | huhCooL | whats the diff between xorg and xfree86? |
| 20:58.57 | wols_ | I like my ntfs filesystems working thank you |
| 20:59.09 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: the whole output. |
| 20:59.12 | wols_ | there is captive, but it's faaar from stable |
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| 20:59.23 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: giving us what you think is the error will not help at all. |
| 20:59.25 | gnufan | huhCooL: they are forks - thus the differences are political.... dpkg knows ask him ;) |
| 20:59.31 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: I've to write on another pc, I'm on init 1 on the debian, cannot copy and paste |
| 20:59.45 | gnufan | !msg dpkg xorg |
| 20:59.47 | smagy2 | huhcool: xorg was forked from xfree86 after license for xfree86 was changed |
| 21:00.04 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: you can concatenate to a file, and sneaker net it... |
| 21:00.10 | Eulex | kreg_work, .bashrc is for non-login shells, .bash_profile is for login shells |
| 21:00.28 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: this version of udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, but the upgrade was forced... |
| 21:00.32 | gnufan | !tell huhCooL about xorg |
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| 21:00.42 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: in any case, you're still seeing the udev postinst failing because you're not running a kernel >> 2.6.12. |
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| 21:00.50 | romulo | anyone compiled xgl on debian yet? |
| 21:01.00 | Ireul | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_0.085-1_i386,deb (--unpack) |
| 21:01.09 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: then stops |
| 21:01.11 | kreg_work | Eulex, needless to say, it works fine when i putty into this server from winxp. but i'm trying to use a linux laptop with Eterm or whatever terminal and it's not giving my color coding. |
| 21:01.19 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: yes, we've established that fact already. Install a 2.6.15 kernel, then reboot. |
| 21:01.31 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: I cannot do that |
| 21:01.39 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: until uname -r; shows a kernel >= 2.6.12, then udev will not install. |
| 21:01.41 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: kernel won't install |
| 21:01.59 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: you're not showing an error message from the kernel not installing. You're showing an error message from udev not installing. |
| 21:02.05 | Eulex | kreg_work, may depend on what $TERM is set to |
| 21:02.17 | kreg_work | Eulex, var is set to "Eterm" |
| 21:02.29 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: ok, kernel installed, but it didn't root filesystem |
| 21:02.32 | Eulex | kreg_work, of course. that may affect it. |
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| 21:02.36 | dondelelcaro | uh... |
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| 21:02.54 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: please, don't provide false information to us again. It's not condusive to us helping you. |
| 21:02.58 | kreg_work | Eulex, i'm ont sure i understand |
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| 21:03.08 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: if you don't understand, ask for clarification. |
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| 21:03.38 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: if it didn't boot off of the 2.6.15 kernel, then you need to fix your bootloader so that it does. |
| 21:03.38 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I've got a LAN and there's going to be router on it. It should do basic routing, traffic shaping with HTB (both, upload and download). Question: is it possible to run nat (to masquarade certain IP adresses) on the same machine where the shaping runs? Won't it brak the shaping upload/download limits? |
| 21:03.45 | reikon_ | how would I force remove a USB device? I umounted it, and removed it and now it seems to be "stuck". in /dev/scsi/scsi it still shows up, even though it's gone |
| 21:03.55 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: grub it's ok |
| 21:04.09 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: then boot off of the 2.6.15 kernel. |
| 21:04.15 | Eulex | kreg_work, from looking at $TERM a console app will know what capabilities a specific terminal has. then it will use those capabilities and disable those that the terminal can't cope with. |
| 21:04.18 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: after boot, new kernel give a panic due to root not gound |
| 21:04.41 | kreg_work | Eulex, then why when i type manually "ls --color" it works |
| 21:04.58 | Eulex | kreg_work, I don't know. maybe it's disabled by default. |
| 21:04.59 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: it told me that there's no root on /dev/hda1, but old kernel boot off from /dev/hda1 :( |
| 21:05.07 | Eulex | Ireul, upgrading from what to 2.6.15? |
| 21:05.08 | kreg_work | Eulex, thanks for the thoughts |
| 21:05.14 | stew | Ireul: are you editing menu.lst by hand, or are you letting update-grub do it? |
| 21:05.29 | Ireul | steri: was automatic upgrade |
| 21:05.33 | Ireul | stew: was automatic upgrade |
| 21:05.35 | gnufan | kreg_work: neither the Gnome console nor ssh runs my .bashrc on login -- so no colour for me till I type bash.... hmm |
| 21:05.35 | stew | Ireul: is it sata? |
| 21:05.42 | Eulex | kreg_work, btw, http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/30624 will offer some interesting reading. |
| 21:05.43 | Ireul | stew: no |
| 21:05.48 | Eulex | kreg_work, yw :) |
| 21:05.55 | kreg_work | Eulex, ok >: ) |
| 21:06.04 | gnufan | kreg_work: or maybe PS1 isn't set first time through!? |
| 21:06.14 | Ireul | stew: I think there's no initrd image file in /boot |
| 21:06.23 | kreg_work | gnufan, what's ps1? |
| 21:06.34 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: if you're using the automatic upgrade process, it should have created the initrd |
| 21:06.37 | wols_ | env variable |
| 21:06.38 | Ireul | stew: so no ext3 module's loading |
| 21:06.40 | gnufan | kreg_work: prompt variable in bash (and bourne, korn etc) |
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| 21:07.00 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: there isn't a 2.6.15 initrd in /boot |
| 21:07.01 | homekneet | Ireul: I had that last week. It failed to generate the initrd. I was advised to log in with the old kernel -then run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-.... - and then try again. Worked for me |
| 21:07.02 | Eulex | Ireul, thinking is not enough. look for yourself. |
| 21:07.08 | hn | hello |
| 21:07.22 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: do you have yaird or similar installed? |
| 21:07.24 | Ireul | Eulex: there's no initrd, I told you |
| 21:07.25 | stew | Ireul: did you have an error installing the kernel? |
| 21:07.28 | stew | dondelelcaro: is there any possibility that he has initramfs-tools but no working udev and therefore error creating initrd? i dunno |
| 21:07.38 | Ireul | stew: that about udev |
| 21:07.46 | kreg_work | -sh-3.00# echo $PS1 |
| 21:07.47 | kreg_work | \s-\v\$ |
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| 21:07.50 | Eulex | Ireul, half a second before I asked, yes. |
| 21:07.54 | stew | Ireul: there is no verb in that non sentence |
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| 21:08.25 | dondelelcaro | stew: quite possible; yaird shouldn't need udev to do the install iirc. |
| 21:08.29 | huhCooL | okay one problem is persisting when I try to get things working. I've reverted all my sources back to testing, since Unstable probably isn't for me. when apt attempts to install x11-common i'm getting "error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb -- trying to overwrite /usr/include/X11 which is also in libxft-dev" |
| 21:08.34 | Ireul | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 told me that installation is broken |
| 21:08.53 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: do you have yaird installed? |
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| 21:09.50 | Eulex | huhCooL, upgrade libxft-dev with dpkg first. then proceed. |
| 21:10.09 | stew | dondelelcaro: yaird definately doesn't but if you have neither installed the .15-1 kernel brings in initramfs-tools and udev, not yaird |
| 21:10.18 | yggdrasil | hey guys sorry to keep buggin can somne explain to : i used to add a certain driver to my /etc/hotplug/blaklist and now that were using udev where can i add that information ? |
| 21:10.23 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: no |
| 21:10.31 | Eulex | !blacklist |
| 21:10.31 | dpkg | blacklist is, like, Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 21:10.36 | Eulex | yggdrasil, ^^ |
| 21:10.53 | yggdrasil | thanks |
| 21:10.58 | Eulex | yggdrasil, yw :) |
| 21:10.59 | dondelelcaro | stew: right; and that's probably the problem, iirc. |
| 21:11.06 | hn | I am considering switching from FreeBSD and Gentoo to debian, I do want to use the latest software of everything, should I use unstable if I am willing to live with an occasional error? |
| 21:11.16 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: install yaird, and rerun dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 21:11.17 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: now installing |
| 21:11.17 | yggdrasil | dpkg but... |
| 21:11.24 | yggdrasil | i dont have hotplug anymore |
| 21:11.37 | yggdrasil | ahh i see i found it nervermind |
| 21:11.55 | stew | dondelelcaro: seems like maybe the newer kernel's should possibly depend on yaird | initramfs-tools instead of the other way around for this reason |
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| 21:12.22 | hn | and is using binary packages the only option, or can it build from source as well (if I ever have to customize build options etc.), or would I have to build from source manually (so no management etc) |
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| 21:13.17 | dondelelcaro | stew: probably |
| 21:13.18 | Eulex | hn, apt-get source will do what you want. |
| 21:13.30 | hn | thanks Eulex |
| 21:13.32 | Eulex | hn, a little less automated than on gentoo, though |
| 21:13.39 | hn | well thats okay |
| 21:13.46 | dondelelcaro | stew: I personally think the whole udev/initrd/yaird thing is a pile of dung, so I don't really know if that's the rigth way forward... |
| 21:14.03 | hn | I probably wont be having to compile form source too often |
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| 21:14.38 | Eulex | hn, it downloads source and includes instructions on building a debian package from it, then you customize those things and issue the .deb-building command (don't remember it right now), then you dpkg -i it. |
| 21:14.53 | hn | ahh ok |
| 21:15.13 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: no way to reconfigure kernel |
| 21:15.20 | mindbob | anyone familiar with godaddy? |
| 21:15.29 | Terat0gen | my friend works there |
| 21:15.35 | stew | dondelelcaro: from the amount of problems we've seen in here in the last week or so pertaining to udev being brought in, the current situation can't be optimal. |
| 21:15.38 | Terat0gen | it's in Scottsdale Arizona |
| 21:15.42 | romulo | anyone compiled xgl on debian yet? |
| 21:15.47 | Terat0gen | I have a couple of domains registered with godaddy |
| 21:15.51 | Eulex | romulo, /msg dpkg xgl |
| 21:15.56 | stew | dondelelcaro: do you have a recommended location for me to bring this up to kernel maintainers? bts? d-kernel@l.d.o? |
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| 21:16.04 | dondelelcaro | stew: I'm inclined to agree, I just don't have a very informed opinion about it. |
| 21:16.16 | dondelelcaro | stew: that and Manoj are probably good places to talk to |
| 21:16.30 | huhCooL | Eulex> sorry for the stupid question, but what is the correct command line syntax to use dpkg for that purpose (upgrading libxft-dev) .. i'm only used to using apt-get and aptitude for managing packages. |
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| 21:17.37 | whitehorse1 | Evenin' all. |
| 21:17.42 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: it always ask me about udev |
| 21:17.42 | Eulex | huhCooL, I said remove it. |
| 21:18.17 | Eulex | huhCooL, ah, sorry. just dpkg -i the new version of the package. |
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| 21:19.30 | dondelelcaro | Ireul: it will continue to complain about udev until you're running a 2.6.15 kernel |
| 21:19.38 | stew | !dbugs 349354 |
| 21:19.41 | dpkg | #349354:S[] initramfs-tools - kernel -udev dependency loop; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:33:05 UTC |
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| 21:20.12 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: but I can't boot from a 2.6.15 kernel |
| 21:20.47 | stew | whee: severity set to important->critical->important->serious |
| 21:20.55 | abrotman | grave? |
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| 21:22.22 | whitehorse1 | What's the appropriate tool I should use to monitor and record to a textfile what the system is doing in the following scenario. I posted to d.user about it already so this'll just be a followup to that. the screensaver auto-kicks in (etch, kernel 2.6.15-86, kde) which is fine. if I interrupt it to go back to desktop, it logs me out. OTOH if I leave screensaver running until monitor goes into standby - power saving, I can move the |
| 21:22.23 | whitehorse1 | key and it goes back to desktop fine. If I was monitoring a segafaulting program I'd use strace but since the screensaver's logging me out back to kdm login screen I guess I'd lose the strace info then? |
| 21:22.31 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: done! |
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| 21:24.38 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: didn't work :( |
| 21:24.45 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: kernel won't but |
| 21:25.04 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: kernel won't boot |
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| 21:26.00 | whitehorse1 | I guess I need a logging debugger utility of some description |
| 21:26.24 | stew | Ireul: VFS: failed to mount root? or what? |
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| 21:28.06 | Ireul | stew: it drop me a shell from initrd (root not mounted) and told me that cannot find udev |
| 21:28.22 | stew | whitehorse1: run "strace -o /path/to/logfile -p pidofprocess" from a virtual terminal or from screen |
| 21:28.31 | Ireul | stew: may I force to install udev??? |
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| 21:28.43 | whitehorse1 | stew: thank you very much; I appreciate it! |
| 21:29.07 | stew | whitehorse1: -f is usually not a bad idea as well |
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| 21:30.00 | stew | Ireul: get rid of initramfs-tools so that the initrd will be generated with yaird, and have no reliance on udev, you can --reinstall the kernel package to force the initrd to be rebuilt or rebuild it by hand with yaird (man yaird) |
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| 21:30.31 | Ireul | stew: kernel won't install without initramfs-tools |
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| 21:30.58 | stew | Ireul: it will if you have yaird installed |
| 21:31.04 | homekneet | stew: an aside question on that. If you're already using a .15 kernel and udev with initramfs - is there any benefit to switching to yaird at this point? |
| 21:31.10 | Ireul | stew: I'll try |
| 21:31.11 | quitte | hi. is there a way to copy symlinks as if they were files? |
| 21:31.25 | dondelelcaro | quitte: yes. |
| 21:31.28 | Ireul | stew: dpkg --reinstall??? |
| 21:31.28 | homekneet | stew: just wondering if I should make the change :) |
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| 21:31.36 | dondelelcaro | quitte: see the -L option to cp. (man cp) |
| 21:31.37 | JacksonChat | # Appears as X-Men_CaptainBritain_.http://www.kewps.com/xmencharacters/d12/X-Men_CaptainBritain_.AVB |
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| 21:31.50 | stew | homekneet: no, in fact for some people they lose DMA support with certainly ide chipsets when using yaird |
| 21:31.57 | stew | Ireul: apt-get install --reinstall |
| 21:32.01 | quitte | dondelelcaro: ah thanks. didn't see it for some reason |
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| 21:32.08 | homekneet | stew: OK - thanks. |
| 21:32.38 | Ireul | stew: dpkg -r initramfs-tools??? |
| 21:32.45 | stew | Ireul: yes |
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| 21:32.57 | sep | i ususaly use sarge and install nvidia kernel using m-a a-i nvidia. then install the nvidia-glx package, but now i try out etch and i get the following dependency conflict xserver-xorg: Conflicts: nvidia-glx (<= 1.0.7174-4) but 1.0.7174-4 is to be installed. have the procedure changed for etch or is it just breakage ? |
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| 21:33.07 | Ireul | stew: I'm checking if yaird was correctly installed |
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| 21:33.26 | stew | homekneet: the problem is really that newer versions of udev require a newish kernel to run and the initramfs-tools needed to get the kernel running requires udev so you get yourself into a 3 way chicken-egg problem |
| 21:34.03 | stew | i actually don't like the checken-egg metaphor, since its clear the egg came first |
| 21:34.15 | shining | just don't use initram |
| 21:34.48 | k54 | i just installed linux-image-2.6.15-686 on a pentium-m laptop and when I try to boot to the new kernel, it gives me the message ""ALERT! /dev/hda2 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!". The 2.4 kernel still works. |
| 21:35.00 | huhCooL | Eulex: I'm trying to dpkg -i that package (libxft-dev) but i don't have it stored locally, and I can't seem to download it using apt-get -d due to failed dependencies on my system. How can I get this package here? |
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| 21:35.14 | sep | k54, sata ? perhaps it detects the drives as sda? |
| 21:35.18 | shining | stew: how is that clear btw? |
| 21:35.19 | Terat0gen | k54 wow, it's not detecting one of your drives |
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| 21:35.49 | oipoistar | hi! i tried all over the internet to find a solution to my problem but i cant find it. i dont like to ask on channels but im forced to do so :) . Does somebody know how to setup im sigmatel usb ir dongel? |
| 21:35.49 | sep | k54, cat /proc/partitions should tell you if it detected anything at all |
| 21:35.53 | shining | k54: I had that problem too, it's really weird |
| 21:36.01 | TigerTjader | can someone recommend me a good partitioner? |
| 21:36.06 | shining | with the 486 I believe |
| 21:36.14 | shining | I installed 686 and it worked |
| 21:36.15 | stew | shining: the chicken/egg thing? all chickens were born from eggs. the first chicken egg was lain by the chicken's closest evolutionary relative |
| 21:36.23 | sinaduel | I have a problem, I can download files at 200+ kb/s but my internet browser is slow, please help |
| 21:36.30 | Terat0gen | it's not the chicken or the egg that came first.. it was the rooster! |
| 21:36.34 | Terat0gen | =D |
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| 21:37.21 | k54 | sep: but it still works under the stock 2.4 sid kernel (2.4.27-2-386). that, and i'm fairly sure this is not sata. it's a laptop. |
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| 21:37.41 | yildirim | can anyone help mi with zend? |
| 21:38.00 | sep | k54, check proc then youll see. if it dosnt detect anything then your initrd is borked recreate the initrd with dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-version |
| 21:38.03 | shining | k54: you can have sata on a laptop |
| 21:38.17 | sep | nobody have a clue about my nvidia on etch issue ? |
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| 21:38.24 | shining | sep: no |
| 21:38.29 | shining | sep: binary drivers suck |
| 21:38.31 | Eulex | huhCooL, find it at pdo.debian.net |
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| 21:38.44 | sep | shining, unfortunatly there is no alternative |
| 21:38.46 | Ireul | stew: now it's installing other packages |
| 21:38.53 | Ireul | stew: so I've to wait |
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| 21:39.05 | oipoistar | does somebody know my irda problem :( |
| 21:39.17 | yildirim | can anyone help mi with zend? i'll upgrade my zend optimizer to 2.1.0 on debian.. |
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| 21:39.31 | shining | sep: well, no good alternative |
| 21:39.37 | Ireul | stew: initrd was created, but it concern about udev :( |
| 21:39.44 | sep | oipoistar, i guess id try installing ir-usb module and see what was detected if anything |
| 21:40.05 | oipoistar | it detected the correct driver |
| 21:40.17 | oipoistar | but i wont make a dev connection |
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| 21:40.59 | |DuReX| | hi guys, i have a weirdo problem, somehow my load is high, i want to reboot, it says rebooting, but its not rebooting :s |
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| 21:41.59 | k54 | ok, did dpkg-reconfigure on all the kernel packages...rebooting... |
| 21:42.05 | kspath | ctrl-c |
| 21:42.15 | tkaine | Is there an extra option one can pass when running an application to deny it access to the internet or the eth/lan device? |
| 21:42.17 | k54 | nope. it still drops me to busybox |
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| 21:42.33 | k54 | same exact error |
| 21:42.38 | Ireul | stew: ?? |
| 21:42.39 | shining | k54: try an other kernel maybe |
| 21:42.49 | shining | the default 2.6 one |
| 21:43.11 | |DuReX| | pfft, how can i force reboot plz :s |
| 21:43.19 | |DuReX| | it really doesn't want to reboot |
| 21:43.54 | k54 | ctrl+alt+delete reset button "reboot" at console |
| 21:44.00 | shining | |DuReX|: tried ctrl alt del? |
| 21:44.04 | k54 | uppercut :) |
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| 21:44.23 | trueno | ls |
| 21:44.23 | lepton | |DuReX|: if all else fails, hit the power or reset buttons :) |
| 21:44.48 | |DuReX| | but i'm using putty to connect |
| 21:44.54 | |DuReX| | can i use ctrl + alt + del then ? :D |
| 21:45.09 | |DuReX| | i can type commands etc |
| 21:45.18 | k54 | sheesh...how do i uninstall this kernel package? |
| 21:45.26 | |DuReX| | pc is just working, just doesn't want to reboot |
| 21:45.27 | shining | k54: just install another one |
| 21:45.32 | k54 | use "reboot" (will only work as root) |
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| 21:45.47 | |DuReX| | Broadcast message from root (pts/2) (Fri Feb 24 22:31:36 2006): |
| 21:45.47 | |DuReX| | The system is going down for reboot NOW! |
| 21:45.49 | |DuReX| | but doesn't reboot :s |
| 21:46.11 | shining | I think I already had that a few times |
| 21:46.33 | k54 | shining: i really dont want to have multiple 2.6 kernels on this thing. how do i remove it? |
| 21:46.56 | shining | k54: the normal way |
| 21:47.05 | shining | what's the prob? |
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| 21:47.28 | frank_farmer | Trying to get PHP5 with imagick working... dotdeb has a set of PHP5 packages, but no php5-imagick. I see a full set of php5* packages in http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/ ... how does one point apt at /pool? Alternately, is there a good set of PHP5 packages out there? |
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| 21:47.56 | opensores | what can i do with a .deb file? |
| 21:48.09 | frank_farmer | dpkg --install file.deb |
| 21:48.22 | tkaine | Is there an extra option one can pass when running an application to deny it access to the internet or the eth device? |
| 21:48.30 | lepton | |DuReX|: run "ps afx" and see what's hanging around |
| 21:48.39 | opensores | ok |
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| 21:49.58 | k54 | ok, trying the -486 branch |
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| 21:50.22 | |DuReX| | lepton: nothing weird |
| 21:50.32 | |DuReX| | also top is showing small cpu load |
| 21:50.37 | lepton | |DuReX|: how many processes still left? |
| 21:50.48 | Ireul | stew: done! rebooting now |
| 21:50.52 | k54 | has anyone had any experience with getting new dell laptops up and running with linux? like, getting the centrino card to work and the apm to work? |
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| 21:51.00 | lepton | |DuReX|: obviously sshd must be in there |
| 21:51.01 | frank_farmer | Simpler question: how do you safely install packages from /pool? is dpkg the only way to go? |
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| 21:51.31 | abrotman | you should be using apt-get or aptitude |
| 21:51.32 | whoknows2 | lo on debian testing with konqueror.. i have some accesskey appear all the time.. on the web pages.. any1 know how to remove this ? debian / testing, konqueror 3.5.1-1 |
| 21:51.38 | |DuReX| | lepton: alot of progs running |
| 21:51.40 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 21:51.41 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 21:51.44 | |DuReX| | the normal ones running like always |
| 21:51.48 | |DuReX| | nothing seems to be gone :s |
| 21:51.58 | k54 | -486 kernel does not work. same error. |
| 21:51.59 | Ireul | stew: seems to work |
| 21:52.02 | Ireul | stew: seems to work! thanks |
| 21:52.30 | lepton | |DuReX|: you don't have physical access to the console? |
| 21:52.33 | frank_farmer | abrotman: I'd love to use apt, but I'm not sure how to use apt with packages from /pool |
| 21:52.37 | Ireul | stew: tx tx tx |
| 21:52.41 | |DuReX| | lepton: no :( |
| 21:52.53 | abrotman | frank_farmer: what is from /pool ? |
| 21:53.27 | Ireul | stew; tx, you're great |
| 21:53.35 | Ireul | dondelelcaro: tx, to you too |
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| 21:54.37 | shining | k54: weird |
| 21:54.51 | shining | k54: well, you could always try to build a custom one |
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| 21:54.59 | lepton | |DuReX|: you could try "shutdown -t 0 -r". I assume you have init as process 1 |
| 21:55.25 | shining | with everything you need built in, so you don't have to use an initrd |
| 21:55.31 | k54 | shining: i've never successfully built a kernel before, and i dont imagine that the dell hardware is going to make it easy... |
| 21:55.39 | lepton | |DuReX|: is init process 1? |
| 21:55.57 | k54 | shining: where is the grub.conf kept by default? i dont see it anywhere |
| 21:56.51 | quitte | k54: /boot/grub/ |
| 21:58.54 | mox | lepton: |
| 21:58.58 | BxL | anyone knows a howto or something to enable cpufreq on debian stable? |
| 21:59.03 | shining | k54: menu.lst |
| 21:59.07 | |DuReX| | did shutdown -nr now :d |
| 21:59.09 | mox | lepton: init is always 1 |
| 21:59.09 | |DuReX| | worked |
| 21:59.14 | |DuReX| | but needs to come back now :( |
| 21:59.24 | mox | bxl: |
| 21:59.43 | mox | bxl: do you have modules for freq scaling? |
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| 22:00.19 | BxL | mox, modules? |
| 22:00.47 | mox | kernel has to supply the modules for the frequency scalling |
| 22:01.11 | BxL | I don't have it then |
| 22:01.12 | mox | cpufreq only applies user def. rules |
| 22:01.19 | mox | do lsmod |
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| 22:01.50 | lepton | mox: really? not on this box |
| 22:01.57 | mox | look for processor module & speedstep or powernow modules |
| 22:02.00 | bliss | hello all |
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| 22:02.07 | lepton | mox: smarden.org/runit |
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| 22:03.04 | BxL | mox: http://pastebin.com/571006 |
| 22:03.11 | bliss | just a quick question about the host command --what to type on command line to find out abouthost.deny/allow rules |
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| 22:03.26 | mox | ok, i was talking about sysvinit |
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| 22:03.55 | lepton | mox: I haven't had init as process 1 on my debian box for years |
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| 22:04.36 | mox | which process is 1 then? |
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| 22:04.55 | mox | bxl you don't have the modules |
| 22:05.01 | unCommon | Is there any way to change the color of my virtual terminal console instead of black background and white text? |
| 22:05.02 | lepton | mox: I use runit (smarden.org/runit). there are other alternatives |
| 22:05.16 | mox | which cpu do you have and which kernel are you running |
| 22:05.31 | nebular | Is there an easy to use front end for configuring exim? |
| 22:05.44 | mox | don't know about runit, main diff to sysvinit? |
| 22:05.53 | Blissex | nebular: several... including 'dkg-reconfigure' |
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| 22:06.22 | Blissex | nebular: but note that the main difficulty in configuring 'exim' is knowing how to configure an MTA, how it works, not the syntax, which is easy. |
| 22:06.41 | BxL | mox, kernel: 2.6.8-2-686 cpu: Intel® Pentium® M 725 Processor (1.60 GHz) |
| 22:08.23 | k54 | i have a rhetorical question: why is bzip2 not included in the defualt installation? |
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| 22:09.02 | abrotman | k54: not everyone uses it |
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| 22:09.55 | navaburo | hello? |
| 22:09.55 | Blissex | k54: also, the default it about things that are used within Debian itself, and that's 'gzip'. |
| 22:10.07 | mox | blx: try loading freq_table module |
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| 22:10.48 | nebular | Blissex: Well I"m looking for something easy to use, and dpkg-reconfigure is a bit to complete for me |
| 22:10.48 | abrotman | Blissex: is your keyboard broken? |
| 22:10.49 | brett | Is stable busted? |
| 22:10.55 | abrotman | busted? |
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| 22:11.09 | brett | Yeah I'm getting all these dependency errors on xlibs and libx11-6 |
| 22:11.10 | mox | blx: does that cpu have speedstep technology? |
| 22:11.11 | frank_farmer | Okay. New question. Anyone have a clue where I can get both php5-imagick and php5-mcrypt? |
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| 22:11.19 | abrotman | brett: have you accidentally gone to testing? |
| 22:11.22 | Blissex | abrotman: no, my fingers are a bit inaccurate :-) |
| 22:11.25 | abrotman | frank_farmer: /msg dpkg backports |
| 22:11.29 | penguin | What is the command to restart X when it gets hosed? |
| 22:11.31 | abrotman | Blissex: trim the fat off! |
| 22:11.33 | brett | abrotman: no, we use a stable mirror |
| 22:11.34 | brett | oh wait |
| 22:11.38 | abrotman | penguin: /etc/init.d/?dm restart |
| 22:11.39 | brett | is 'sarge' now testing again? |
| 22:11.42 | abrotman | brett: no |
| 22:11.49 | penguin | Thanks |
| 22:11.56 | prodope | where's a good place to get the full specs for writing init scripts for a program? |
| 22:12.06 | unCommon | gernerel multiuser bootup is rc# ...? |
| 22:12.08 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/README points you to good places iirc |
| 22:12.17 | navaburo | Hello all. I have a question. Which version of debian should I install as a desktop os (for personal use, security would be nice but not critical). I am a linux user currently (suse 10 and debian on a server). I hear that debian stable is outdated and i should use etch. Is that a better choice? thx |
| 22:12.31 | prodope | abrotman: thanks |
| 22:12.32 | abrotman | navaburo: most days etch is ok |
| 22:12.42 | abrotman | !tell navaburo about testing security |
| 22:12.45 | prodope | one more, i keep forgetting what the command is to change dir to the last one you were in |
| 22:12.48 | prodope | cd something |
| 22:12.57 | abrotman | there's pushd and popd ? |
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| 22:13.27 | abrotman | prodope: cd $OLDPWD |
| 22:13.28 | Terat0gen | cd ! |
| 22:13.29 | Terat0gen | ? |
| 22:13.39 | Terat0gen | cd ~ takes you home |
| 22:14.00 | mox | blx: try loading speedstep-centrino module |
| 22:14.02 | prodope | i thought it was cd ! |
| 22:14.03 | BxL | mox, yes |
| 22:14.05 | prodope | but that's not working |
| 22:14.13 | brett | abrotman /leave #debian |
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| 22:14.16 | brett | heh |
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| 22:14.26 | navaburo | abrotman: so i should use the etch netinstall? and then apt-get install will use the etch packages? |
| 22:14.26 | penguin | I didnt even know there was $OLDPWD |
| 22:14.28 | penguin | Thanks |
| 22:14.37 | Blissex | nebular: have a look here and at the pointer in that page too... |
| 22:14.41 | prodope | there's an even easier way, i believe |
| 22:14.41 | Blissex | nebular: http://www.harkness.co.uk/exim/exim_gui.html |
| 22:14.41 | abrotman | navaburo: reminder .. it's in beat form |
| 22:14.43 | prodope | i remember using it |
| 22:14.45 | BxL | mox, I loaded the module, i don't think it did anything more |
| 22:14.45 | abrotman | beta |
| 22:14.49 | prodope | instead of cd $OLDPWD |
| 22:14.50 | abrotman | Blissex: you infected me! |
| 22:15.01 | abrotman | prodope: man bash .. might help |
| 22:15.02 | navaburo | abrotman: "beat form" ? |
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| 22:15.07 | abrotman | navaburo: beta :) |
| 22:15.11 | mox | blx, you loaded the speedstep module, no errors? |
| 22:15.15 | Fox_1_ | my domain is debian.am. i want to configure exim. now my users can send email(for example jhon@debian.am), but the other's doamin's users can send email from my smtp server(for example jhon@mail.com). how can i stop it??? |
| 22:15.22 | Blissex | navaburo: styled in a 60s flower fashion way |
| 22:15.45 | BxL | mox, for the speedstep module, I have a fatal error |
| 22:15.45 | navaburo | abrotman: ok, i am hip with the beta. |
| 22:16.12 | BxL | mox, module not found |
| 22:16.15 | mox | blx: ok, try loading p4-clockmod |
| 22:16.25 | abrotman | !tell navaburo about d-i |
| 22:16.31 | navaburo | abrotman: one more question, should i use full cd's or netinstall for etch. (i would highly perfer netstall, if it exists) |
| 22:16.41 | navaburo | ook |
| 22:16.41 | BxL | mox, FATAL: Error inserting p4_clockmod (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/p4-clockmod.ko): No such device |
| 22:16.44 | navaburo | you beat me to it! |
| 22:17.01 | abrotman | navaburo: they currently recommend a daily .. despite what the site says |
| 22:17.13 | Terat0gen | oh, it is cd ~ |
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| 22:17.29 | abrotman | Terat0gen: that is $HOME |
| 22:17.35 | Terat0gen | oh |
| 22:17.57 | navaburo | abrotman: ok. so grab a daily installer, and do a netinstall of etch with the Desktop option? |
| 22:18.00 | mox | blx: what is the output of ls /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq |
| 22:18.01 | abrotman | man bash should tell you if there is a single character shortcut .. or you could ask #bash |
| 22:18.10 | abrotman | navaburo: i don't use tasksel .. but you're welcome to .. |
| 22:18.20 | BxL | mox, no such file or dir |
| 22:18.34 | navaburo | abrotman: you prefer to manualy select the packages? |
| 22:19.26 | navaburo | Terat0gen: just cd will bring you to $HOME also |
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| 22:20.16 | abrotman | navaburo: there are metapackages for larger items .. what desktop do you prefer? |
| 22:20.19 | Estes2 | Hum, i'm forwarding an ssh connection from a server:port to a otherserver:otherport and the connection works slowly but still is usable... till' it gets dropped... any idea please ? |
| 22:20.20 | penguin | ~ is good for cd ~/directory |
| 22:20.40 | mox | ohh sorry blx |
| 22:20.54 | mox | hope you didn't copy and paste:) |
| 22:20.55 | BxL | mox, http://pastebin.com/571042 |
| 22:20.59 | BxL | yes I did :P |
| 22:21.00 | navaburo | abrotman: i am currently on kde, but i realy have no preference, and gnome seems to be sturdier... do you share that opinion? |
| 22:21.01 | mox | change the kernel version:) |
| 22:21.06 | BxL | yeah, I just saw that |
| 22:21.20 | abrotman | navaburo: i abhor kde .. but that's just me :) |
| 22:21.37 | abrotman | crackhead |
| 22:21.45 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:21.47 | navaburo | lol |
| 22:22.14 | navaburo | <amarok the music player that is so next-gen it doesnt play this gen> |
| 22:22.22 | mox | go to that folder and try modprobing intel modules |
| 22:22.40 | navaburo | ok, thankyou all. here goes installing. |
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| 22:22.55 | mox | speedstep modules and p4-clockmod |
| 22:23.09 | mox | one of them should load without problems |
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| 22:23.46 | mox | i have a athlon in my lappy and use powernow_k7 without problems |
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| 22:24.05 | thefish | to upgrade from sarge to etch, can i just change my source.list from "stable" to "etch" and dist-upgrade? |
| 22:25.08 | mox | the fish: jep |
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| 22:25.25 | linoleum | hello, is there a tool to unload module in debian?? because I dont want to load the ipv6 module anymore, but I would like to know if there is an other way thant uncomment the line# alias net-pf-10 off in /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 22:25.35 | abrotman | !tell navaburo about install gnome |
| 22:25.39 | abrotman | !tell navaburo about install kde |
| 22:25.48 | BxL | mox, thanks a lot. loaded some of the speedstep and it's working |
| 22:25.49 | mox | linoleum: try modconf tool |
| 22:26.20 | frank_farmer | There's no PHP5-imagick in backports.org or apt-get.org :( |
| 22:26.51 | amee2k | how can i re-run the X keyboard configuration? |
| 22:26.55 | mox | do you have cpufreq in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/ |
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| 22:27.03 | abrotman | is there one in sid ? |
| 22:27.08 | abrotman | !drxx amee2k |
| 22:27.08 | dpkg | amee2k: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:27.35 | BxL | yeah |
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| 22:27.44 | amee2k | ty |
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| 22:29.20 | mox | then you only need to read kernel documentation about cpufreq:) |
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| 22:30.03 | mox | simply load the module cpufreq_ondemand and your freq. will get scaled dynamicaly |
| 22:30.39 | frank_farmer | There's no PHP5-imagick in backports.org or apt-get.org :(... or in unstable/sid. So the only php5-imagick packages are unofficial, and no one who has one has both imagick *and* mcrypt. |
| 22:31.24 | BxL | thanks |
| 22:31.59 | mox | welcome.. |
| 22:32.07 | Estes2 | Hum, i'm forwarding an ssh connection from a server:port to a otherserver:otherport and the connection works slowly but still is usable... till' it gets dropped... any idea please ? |
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| 22:33.05 | eeyore- | Estes2: define "gets dropped" |
| 22:33.15 | Estes2 | disconnects |
| 22:33.23 | eeyore- | Estes: disconnects or hangs |
| 22:33.51 | Estes2 | reset by peer |
| 22:33.58 | curt | frank_farmer, you could build it yourself. |
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| 22:34.14 | rutski89 | What are the alternatives to ethereal? |
| 22:34.16 | Estes2 | direct connection works fine |
| 22:34.16 | eeyore- | Estes: maybe you have automatic logout on the ssh host |
| 22:34.35 | mox | rutski89: tcpdump |
| 22:34.37 | Estes2 | eeyore-, no, works fine in direct connection |
| 22:34.39 | frank_farmer | curt: Yeah, looks like that's the only option. Last time I tried to build PHP from source... it was ugly. But such is life. |
| 22:34.44 | eeyore- | Estes: or (one of) the firewalls could be dropping connection |
| 22:35.18 | Estes2 | hum |
| 22:35.19 | rutski89 | mox: yea, but that's just for capturing, I'm looking for something to analyze the data |
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| 22:35.49 | eeyore- | Estes: it's not uncommon for firewalls to have disconnect timeouts for different types of connections: connected, forwarded, etc. |
| 22:35.49 | Estes2 | i don't think so |
| 22:36.04 | Estes2 | yes but the direct connection works fine |
| 22:36.06 | mox | sorry, why can't you use ethereal? |
| 22:36.19 | eeyore- | Estes: yeah but in *direct* connection there's no firewall involved, is there? |
| 22:36.19 | Estes2 | and i go through the unique firewall btw the server and i |
| 22:36.34 | Estes2 | eeyore-, yes, there is |
| 22:36.43 | eeyore- | Estes: then how can be "direct connection"? |
| 22:37.05 | Estes2 | not forwarded by the server that forwards the connection |
| 22:37.14 | Estes2 | it's what i meant |
| 22:37.32 | thefish | mox Thanatermesis |
| 22:37.32 | eeyore- | Estes: like i said, *one of* the firewall (i'm not saying which) could be dropping the connection (because it thinks there's no traffic and the connection is 'dead') |
| 22:37.39 | Thanatermesis | yo thefish |
| 22:37.40 | thefish | mox: thanks i mean |
| 22:37.55 | thefish | Thanatermesis: sorry, i tried to tab complete "thanks" :/ |
| 22:38.02 | Thanatermesis | np :) |
| 22:38.02 | Estes2 | and it's very slow to initiate the connection |
| 22:38.33 | Estes2 | eeyore-, this doesn't explain the connection is slow to initialte |
| 22:38.40 | mox | thefish, why? i didn't help:) |
| 22:38.43 | curt | Estes2, what happens when you ping them? |
| 22:38.51 | thefish | mox: you did! |
| 22:38.53 | eeyore- | Estes: look, if you're going to want explanations for *everything* at the same time, you'll have to pay me |
| 22:39.04 | Estes2 | curt, ping is fine |
| 22:39.05 | thefish | thats why i was thanking you :) |
| 22:39.07 | eeyore- | Estes: because, i like to solve one problems at a time |
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| 22:39.16 | mox | thefish:ok then:), welcome |
| 22:39.24 | eeyore- | Estes: so if you don't want to play nice, you can either pay me, or find someone else :-) over and out |
| 22:39.35 | curt | Estes2, ping is fine back from both machines? |
| 22:39.40 | cups_help | I'm having trouble installing a printer |
| 22:39.42 | Estes2 | eeyore-, i say this because i kind of think both problems are linked |
| 22:39.43 | |DuReX| | dudes, i want to share files on my linux pc, but i want it to be shared verry secure, like encrypted etc |
| 22:39.43 | |DuReX| | :) |
| 22:39.48 | |DuReX| | what could i best use ? |
| 22:39.51 | Estes2 | curt, yes, it is |
| 22:40.03 | curt | |DuReX|, scp |
| 22:40.08 | Stevie | |DuReX|: How far away is the linux pc from the machine you're sharing from? |
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| 22:40.32 | |DuReX| | Stevie ? why ? |
| 22:40.34 | |DuReX| | its inet :) |
| 22:41.16 | Stevie | I'm sorry, I was unable to parse that last statement as valid English |
| 22:41.24 | frank_farmer | |DuReX|: if it's on your LAN, you can use samba. Otherwise, sftp is probably the way to go. |
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| 22:42.04 | WildTuRke | can someone tell me how to detect scsi drives for debian install |
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| 22:43.53 | eeyore- | WildTuRke: generally you just load the driver |
| 22:43.55 | FarrisG | I have a debian server running dhcpd. Is there a way to configure dhcpd to only provide leases to whitelisted MAC addresses? |
| 22:44.11 | WildTuRke | eeyore-, but i've not got driver for linux |
| 22:44.22 | Stevie | FarrisG: yes |
| 22:44.30 | epsilon | FarrisG: iptables with MAC support? |
| 22:44.32 | Stevie | although I can't remember the exact steps |
| 22:45.22 | FarrisG | Stevie & epsilon: Would it be a dhcpd config, or iptables/route rules? |
| 22:45.23 | WildTuRke | do u need the drivers, does it not automatically detect scsis |
| 22:45.37 | Stevie | dhcpd config |
| 22:45.38 | eeyore- | WildTuRke: the driver should be part of the debian installation. if it's not there, (a) use newer kernel or (b) it's not gonna work anyway |
| 22:45.40 | mox | FerrisG: Could do it on both sides |
| 22:46.19 | epsilon | FarrisG: I don't know if it's possible in dhcpd. I only know that several MAC can be assinged to static IP |
| 22:46.21 | Stevie | What you need to do is define host entries in the dhcpd.conf for each permitted host, by MAC, and set either 'deny unknown-clients' (refuse to give them an IP) or 'ignore unknown-clients' (ignore them so they can get an IP from elsewhere) |
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| 22:46.53 | WildTuRke | i'm using 2.6, or is there only certain ones which are supported |
| 22:47.01 | FarrisG | Basically, I want to only allow listed MAC addresses to be routed at all. So I'd probably have to do it with iptables, right? I mean, if I just do it with dhcp, a client could still configure an address manually and have packets routed? |
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| 22:47.47 | epsilon | FarrisG: dhcp/iptables on one box don't prevent not-whitelisted MAC to be hooked on a network |
| 22:48.00 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: you have to do that at the link level; iptables won't be enough. |
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| 22:48.08 | WildTuRke | cos i've got a ULI sata m5287 |
| 22:48.14 | g0th | I started a wine application that changed my resolution, after that the gnome-panel was positioned strangly which didn't change after a reboot. I manually changed the position of the gnome-panel, but after each restart it's bad again. |
| 22:48.17 | Estes2 | curt: i forward my connection like this and ping both hosts in ~34.x ms: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 62.18.15.2 -p tcp --dport 22001 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.0.1.2:22 the connection is very slow and i don't get why |
| 22:48.25 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: and more importantly, it won't prevent someone from making their mac address the same as one of the machines on the network. |
| 22:48.44 | g0th | I asked in #gnome and #wine and the gnome guys also sent me to #debian |
| 22:48.58 | Peterken | Hello, can someone tell me what is the standard location where KOrganizer keeps all his files (from the data i put in myself, so all my appointments, taksk, ..) |
| 22:49.03 | eeyore- | WildTuRke: sata != scsi |
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| 22:49.12 | laurens__ | hi |
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| 22:49.28 | laurens__ | does anyone know a way to properly test a hard disk for physical damage? |
| 22:49.36 | laurens__ | I just recovered from a serious fs problem |
| 22:49.39 | eeyore- | WildTuRke: although it might show up as "scsi" drive (shared common code). anyhow, look in the driver section for either classic ide driver or in the scsi/libata section |
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| 22:49.44 | laurens__ | I managed to get my data off luckily |
| 22:49.48 | k54 | what brand hard drive? |
| 22:49.49 | epsilon | laurens__: smartctl |
| 22:49.52 | dondelelcaro | laurens__: smartctl will give you an idea of what is going on |
| 22:49.53 | WildTuRke | so how do i get sata to work?? eeyore- |
| 22:49.54 | laurens__ | but I need to know if the disk is still physicall ok |
| 22:50.01 | pabl0 | hi, is there any env variable that lets me change the /tmp dir? I'm compiling something and I'd like to have /home/foo/tmp instead of /tmp |
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| 22:50.16 | stew | dondelelcaro: found out from vorlon that the problem with trying to use yaird instead of initramfs is that yard doesn't work for 2.4->2.6 |
| 22:50.23 | laurens__ | doesnt seem to be on the ubuntu livecd |
| 22:50.23 | dondelelcaro | stew: right |
| 22:50.26 | WildTuRke | i've got a ULI sata m5287 |
| 22:50.31 | WildTuRke | k54 |
| 22:50.32 | laurens__ | plus its a SATA drive, does that matter? |
| 22:50.37 | eeyore- | WildTuRke: linux supports the "m5288" via "ahci" driver |
| 22:50.46 | k54 | laurens__:what is the brand of the hd? |
| 22:50.48 | dondelelcaro | stew: it's one of these lame issues that is damned in multiple different ways... |
| 22:50.51 | FarrisG | dondelelcaro: The situation is that I've got a wireless AP hooked into a separate subnet on our wired network. Currently, wireless clients can access the WAN directly, but no internal services. The AP is un-WEPped, and to use internal services, a wireless client has to connect to VPN. But I want it more secure. I don't want just any schmo to be able to use our bandwidth |
| 22:50.52 | jshoenberger | Is there a linux equivelant to iPrisim? |
| 22:50.53 | epsilon | laurens__: run "smartctl -a /dev/hda" (or whatever device), and post the output on paster. We may help you to anaylse the information |
| 22:51.16 | Stevie | FarrisG: http://rafb.net/paste/results/RtHuvC28.html |
| 22:51.19 | laurens__ | yeah but |
| 22:51.26 | laurens__ | smartcl isnt on the ubuntu livecd! :( |
| 22:51.31 | eeyore- | WildTuRke: when you boot the debian install kernel, be sure to use kernel 2.6 (read the boot screen) |
| 22:51.36 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: so block all non-VPN'ed packets from the AP at the gateway (or ideally, at the AP) |
| 22:51.41 | laurens__ | also, i cant seem to find the disk name |
| 22:51.45 | laurens__ | rather old ubuntu kernel |
| 22:51.49 | laurens__ | doesnt have real ahci support |
| 22:51.59 | epsilon | laurens__: use knoppix liveCD, right now I'm using it to check a samsung HD :-D |
| 22:52.10 | laurens__ | i tried that first |
| 22:52.12 | laurens__ | 4.0.2 dvd |
| 22:52.14 | laurens__ | didnt boot |
| 22:52.15 | laurens__ | :-/ |
| 22:52.23 | Stevie | Is there an rsync server anywhere for the nightly netinst cd images? |
| 22:52.35 | FarrisG | dondelelcaro: I guess that makes sense. Instead of allowing wireless clients direct access to the wan, leave only a rule to allow openvpn packets to the vpn gateway |
| 22:52.47 | WildTuRke | k thanks eeyore- i'll give it a go cheers |
| 22:52.48 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: right. |
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| 22:53.01 | fx | mplayer: related to it and marillat pkgs; has anyone tried to compile mplayer last month? apt-get build-dep ends always with unsatisfied dependencies (sarge). |
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| 22:53.19 | Stevie | FarrisG: by the way, why don't you at minimum have mac filtering enabled on the AP? |
| 22:53.29 | laurens__ | any other way to find out? |
| 22:53.32 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: the alternative is much messier, because it's trivial for an attacker to use a MAC which is already on the network... |
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| 22:53.43 | ludwig | Hallo! |
| 22:53.50 | Stevie | hi beethoven |
| 22:53.56 | epsilon | laurens__: get knoppix live CD iso |
| 22:54.02 | laurens__ | epsilon, meh |
| 22:54.03 | laurens__ | ok |
| 22:54.04 | dondelelcaro | (unless you're talking about preventing drive by cluebies... but those you can probably block by making your gateway .2 instead of .1 ;-) |
| 22:54.05 | ludwig | I need some help setting up my dhcp3 server ... |
| 22:54.16 | Stevie | dondelelcaro: hehe |
| 22:54.20 | Stevie | or .254 |
| 22:54.23 | FarrisG | dondelelcaro: Understood. So at that point, the biggest vulnerability would be whatever exploits someone might use on port 5000 for OpenVPN |
| 22:54.24 | laurens__ | brb |
| 22:54.34 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: right |
| 22:54.39 | eeyore- | FarrisG: you kind of don't have a real solution ... |
| 22:54.40 | ludwig | it is a more technical problem ... |
| 22:55.02 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: but at least that's a problem that can be monitored... |
| 22:55.03 | eeyore- | FarrisG: i assume the whole reason for having an "open" access point is for convenience so people could walk up and hook up laptops to it, right? |
| 22:55.05 | ludwig | I wanted DHCP to ONLY give certain IPs to certain MACs ... |
| 22:55.14 | FarrisG | dondelelcaro: Well, my gateway is neither .1 nor .2 :) |
| 22:55.20 | eeyore- | FarrisG: but then if you start requiring vpn and all that then easy "guest" connections go away |
| 22:55.24 | ludwig | and I wanted to have a list with MAC-IP matching somewhere ... |
| 22:55.25 | Stevie | Heh. |
| 22:55.36 | amee2k | how can i configure X mouse for touchpad behaviour? |
| 22:55.39 | Stevie | ludwig: that's possible with an appropriately setup dhcpd.conf |
| 22:55.41 | dondelelcaro | ludwig: sure, that's done by setting your dhcpd.conf to assign specific macs to a specific ip |
| 22:55.42 | eeyore- | FarrisG: probably your best bet is to throttle the bandwidth to this separate subnet |
| 22:55.56 | dondelelcaro | ludwig: or, if you just want them in a certain class, assign them to the proper class. |
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| 22:56.15 | ludwig | I have such a list and wrote a small script making a separate file with the "host bla{...}" entries ... |
| 22:56.23 | FarrisG | eeyore-: We're doing that already. What I may do is just use WEP, leave wan access on for the wifi users, and just require guests to get the WEP key from IT |
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| 22:56.53 | eeyore- | FarrisG: yeah, that's what we end up doing too :-) we *post* the WEP key in the conference room where guests are likely to be. |
| 22:56.55 | Stevie | WEP is inherently insecure, not to mention a pain in the ass, tho |
| 22:57.09 | eeyore- | FarrisG: so that way we have convenience, no overhead, and no joe schmoe |
| 22:57.10 | Stevie | WPA with RADIUS auth! |
| 22:57.18 | FarrisG | Stevie: Well, ultimately, WEP is a tiny bit more secure than NO wep |
| 22:57.27 | dondelelcaro | wpasuppository is even more of a PITA... |
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| 22:57.30 | Stevie | this is true |
| 22:57.30 | ludwig | For network-management, I did not want to setup each MAC/IP pair in iptables and in dhcp3-config every time, so I wrote a script creating the host bla{..} entries and a iptables.sh script ... |
| 22:57.33 | eeyore- | Stevie: think "guests from partner companies" |
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| 22:57.37 | raf256 | what to use in console |
| 22:57.43 | raf256 | to list installed soft and delte part of it |
| 22:57.43 | dusty- | anyone ever hosted a domain bought from godaddy.com? |
| 22:57.52 | Stevie | nope |
| 22:57.55 | FarrisG | Stevie: How is WPA/radius any less of a pain in the ass than WEP? |
| 22:58.05 | FarrisG | dusty-: I do |
| 22:58.11 | ludwig | Stevie, dondelelcaro, is there a way for dhcp3d to take part of the configuration from another config? |
| 22:58.13 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: it's even more annoying, becuase WPA doesn't work on all hardware. |
| 22:58.26 | Stevie | well, I'm sure if you add RADIUS it's pretty nasty |
| 22:58.31 | stew | using WEP is kinda like putting "the club" on your car. its not going to stop someone who really wants in, but it will likely make a casual passerby to move along to an easier target |
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| 22:58.33 | Stevie | just plain WPA, when it's supported, is nice |
| 22:58.43 | Stevie | stew: aye |
| 22:58.44 | ludwig | Stevie, dondelelcaro, I have found the "extensions-path" option in the manpage of the config, but it seems not to work |
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| 22:58.51 | Stevie | extensions-path? |
| 22:59.03 | dondelelcaro | ludwig: yes; use include "foo/bar/baz" |
| 22:59.14 | eeyore- | stew: exactly and for our purposes, it's fine. we're not gonna make every visitor install/configure additional software just so he/she can check mail when on our site :-) |
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| 22:59.24 | FarrisG | Speaking of throttling, I'm currently using some embarassing hackery to do so on the wifi subnet. Any ideas on how to throttle bandwidth for non-vpned wireless users, but not through the VPN? |
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| 22:59.34 | dondelelcaro | or at least, that's what the manpage says... |
| 22:59.36 | eeyore- | stew: that would be going a bit far |
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| 22:59.56 | Pendragon | Has anyone here had a run-in with _elf_lib ? |
| 23:00.01 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: you should be able to tag the traffic to the VPN gateway, and then use tc to stick it in a better queue. |
| 23:00.08 | ludwig | dondelelcaro, OK, at least it does not complain :) Now I will have a try ... |
| 23:00.09 | Stevie | host foo { hardware ethernet fe:ed:c0:ed:ba:be; fixed-address 192.168.0.10; } |
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| 23:00.27 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: the lartc has some good examples on iptables<->tc interaction iirc. |
| 23:00.47 | Stevie | anyway.... Is there an rsync server anywhere for the nightly netinst cd images? |
| 23:00.57 | dondelelcaro | Stevie: there should be |
| 23:01.02 | Pendragon | Does anyone know how they get _elf_lib on the box? I can't tell if it was proftp, apache or cvs but I think it was one of them. |
| 23:01.04 | ludwig | dondelelcaro, it works, thanks |
| 23:01.06 | Stevie | okay, I don't know how to find out what it is |
| 23:01.10 | ludwig | dondelelcaro, it works, thanks |
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| 23:01.30 | raf256 | wtf? |
| 23:01.39 | Stevie | ftw! |
| 23:01.42 | raf256 | noone knows what can I use in console to browse installed packages? and remove some of them? |
| 23:02.00 | Stevie | aptitude |
| 23:02.00 | Pendragon | aptitude |
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| 23:02.05 | raf256 | thanks |
| 23:02.05 | d0uglas | who's noone? |
| 23:02.11 | Stevie | apparently I am |
| 23:02.20 | Stevie | either that or Pendragon is |
| 23:02.20 | raf256 | d0uglas: that is the person that got you laid |
| 23:02.24 | raf256 | ;) |
| 23:02.28 | Pendragon | lol I am someone |
| 23:02.31 | d0uglas | zing |
| 23:02.45 | Stevie | dondelelcaro: How would I find such an rsync server? |
| 23:02.54 | k54 | symantical accuracy != intelligence :/ |
| 23:03.03 | Stevie | semantical accuracy |
| 23:03.07 | d0uglas | heh symantical |
| 23:03.08 | Pendragon | hey Stevie, have you ever heard of the _elf_lib exploit |
| 23:03.13 | ludwig | bye! |
| 23:03.14 | dusty- | FarrisG, dude mshs |
| 23:03.22 | Stevie | Does it involves Santa Claus? |
| 23:03.28 | Stevie | or Tolkien, or WoW, or Nethack? |
| 23:03.28 | raf256 | Pendragon: wtf is it |
| 23:03.29 | dondelelcaro | Stevie: rsync -l cdimage.debian.org::cdimage-testing/ |
| 23:03.37 | Pendragon | It was our ass |
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| 23:03.53 | buu | Ok, what the hell, how do I use ntpdate? |
| 23:03.54 | Pendragon | a hole in woody's kernel that gives root access to anyone who runs it |
| 23:04.00 | Pendragon | in 2.4 kernel |
| 23:04.01 | buu | I've tried it with a dozen servers and it complained about all of them. |
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| 23:04.16 | raf256 | Pendragon: ommfg |
| 23:04.21 | raf256 | Pendragon: url? |
| 23:04.21 | FarrisG | dusty-: mshs? |
| 23:04.22 | Pendragon | someone used cvs, ftp or apache and got it on our box and compromise one of our boxes |
| 23:04.42 | Stevie | hrm |
| 23:04.45 | Stevie | there is only beta1 there |
| 23:05.00 | Pendragon | I was wondering if anyone here has ever had a run in with it and has any ideas how the hell someone would use cvs to get a file on our box, and then run it |
| 23:05.24 | raf256 | Pendragon: where is the url regarding that exploit? |
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| 23:05.28 | Stevie | wait, what's etch_d-i ? |
| 23:05.30 | Pendragon | one sec on the url, I am remoted to a winbox for mirc, i was browsing the url on another box |
| 23:05.31 | Pendragon | brb |
| 23:05.37 | raf256 | thanks |
| 23:05.37 | dondelelcaro | Stevie: that should be the daily |
| 23:05.55 | Stevie | oh, I see, 'daily' is a symlink |
| 23:06.07 | dondelelcaro | Stevie: it's possible that the rsync server doesn't quite do what it should, in which case, you'd need to harass someone to make it available |
| 23:06.13 | b0xy | anyone wanting a good deal on dual xeon procs? |
| 23:06.14 | Pendragon | http://www.webhostingtalk.com/archive/thread/361482-1.html |
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| 23:06.26 | Stevie | dondelelcaro: Well, I'm using rsync -n to find the file in question |
| 23:06.31 | b0xy | 2x2.4ghz Xeon 533mhz FSB procs for $185 shipped at Anandtech |
| 23:06.31 | Stevie | and there's only |
| 23:06.40 | eeyore- | Pendragon: when you set up cvs, you're effectively giving access to (parts of) your filesystem |
| 23:06.44 | b0xy | I'd get them myself if I had the extra cash |
| 23:06.47 | eeyore- | Pendragon: was it a chroot'd cvs pserver? |
| 23:06.54 | dondelelcaro | b0xy: please don't advertise for hardware here... |
| 23:07.05 | Stevie | and there's only daily/i386/beta1/ |
| 23:07.12 | Stevie | except, shouldn't we be in beta 2? |
| 23:07.26 | b0xy | dondelelcaro: I was just saying it's a great deal for anyone that has the extra cash |
| 23:07.27 | amee2k | how can I configure a touchpad that it issues a mouse click when i tip it shortly? |
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| 23:07.33 | Red_Cloud | I need help with an initial install of linux. My distro is debian sarge. Whenever I boot I get the informational message: Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 23:07.34 | Red_Cloud | device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) |
| 23:07.35 | b0xy | I wand them but can't afford |
| 23:07.36 | Red_Cloud | The sound server will continue, using the null output device. |
| 23:07.46 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: depends on the touchpad. |
| 23:07.58 | WildTuRkey | eeyore- i've tried the using the linux 2.6 kernel but it still doesn't detect it |
| 23:08.01 | eeyore- | b0xy: why would i want a xeon processor? |
| 23:08.04 | d0uglas | amee2k: i like pads that do that |
| 23:08.06 | dondelelcaro | b0xy: right, and I'm saying that it's kind of OT here; we can all use pricewatch.com |
| 23:08.08 | Pendragon | I was just corrected by a co-worker, it couldn't have been cvs |
| 23:08.11 | eeyore- | WildTuRkey: nevermind "detection", load it yourself |
| 23:08.16 | Pendragon | it wsa either apache or ftp |
| 23:08.22 | b0xy | eeyore-: some people like them |
| 23:08.37 | amee2k | dondelelcaro:: it's a dell laptop. FC4 used synaptics (so similiarily sounding) driver and it worked fine there |
| 23:08.44 | WildTuRkey | how do i do that?? |
| 23:08.45 | b0xy | dondelelcaro: these are a better deal than on pricewatch. just tryin to spread it so someone could get a good deal on them if they wanted |
| 23:08.46 | stew | amee2k: possibly "/msg dpkg synaptics" if its a synaptics touchpad |
| 23:08.58 | eeyore- | WildTuRkey: there should be a menu item to let you load drivers .... |
| 23:09.05 | Pendragon | anyhow it is an exploit that corrupts memory |
| 23:09.30 | eeyore- | Pendragon: was your apache running as www-data or root? |
| 23:09.38 | eeyore- | Pendragon: and your ftp, was it wuftpd? :-) |
| 23:09.43 | Pendragon | I am really worried about it, I am a newbie at foriegnsics, and we have a few boxes out there with the 2.4 kernel |
| 23:09.47 | Pendragon | no it ws proftp |
| 23:09.52 | WildTuRkey | u know what the driver is called?? |
| 23:09.54 | Pendragon | www-data |
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| 23:10.04 | Pendragon | it doesn't have to run as root to get root |
| 23:10.05 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: which 2.4 kernel? |
| 23:10.11 | Pendragon | woody |
| 23:10.14 | amee2k | k, i'll try what the dpkg has |
| 23:10.25 | Pendragon | with 2.4 for i386, I think I am saying that right |
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| 23:10.32 | duckdown | Hi everyone.. I installed Debian-ETCH but I seem to be pulling really old packages.. I think my sources.list is no good.. How can I get some better package repos? |
| 23:10.33 | Pendragon | not sure |
| 23:10.33 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: woody shipped with a couple different ones; which one exactly was being run? |
| 23:10.49 | eeyore- | Pendragon: are you sure they got in via http? kind of unlikely, unless they take some unusual URL exploits |
| 23:10.50 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: also, you should image the drives, take the machine down, and bring it back up with a known good install. |
| 23:11.05 | Pendragon | oh we are |
| 23:11.26 | Pendragon | 2.4.27 |
| 23:11.26 | mox | amee2k: maybe xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 23:11.31 | dondelelcaro | duckdown: use the paster bot to give us the output of apt-cache policy; also, you've run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; right? |
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| 23:11.47 | eeyore- | Pendragon: unless of course you have some exploitable scripts in there ... maybe some php ... that might do it, but pure apache/http ... |
| 23:12.01 | Pendragon | I know, |
| 23:12.02 | duckdown | dondelelcaro: I've done apt-get update, i dont know about upgrade though.. sure i'll paste it somewhere one sec |
| 23:12.09 | amee2k | mox:: i just installed it but no effect,even after reconfiguring X. do i need to enable it? |
| 23:12.15 | dondelelcaro | duckdown: just update is needed... |
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| 23:12.57 | mox | amee2k: what are you using? xorg or xfree? |
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| 23:13.03 | Pendragon | elf is the name of some file in c that controls memory with the kernel, _elf_lib found an exploit in that control of the memory and is able to corrupt it and have it grant root to whoever is running it. |
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| 23:13.39 | amee2k | xfree86. I installed the selection "Desktop Environment" |
| 23:13.40 | duckdown | dondelelcaro: Not sure how to use paster bot, here is the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/43064 |
| 23:13.58 | blondie | duckdown: how did you get out of my duvet?P! |
| 23:14.01 | blondie | -P |
| 23:14.03 | mox | amee2k: new install of sarge? |
| 23:14.05 | Pendragon | That's what I've firgured out about it so far. I think I got all of that about right, there isn't much out there in google that I can find about it. |
| 23:14.07 | akant | /quit |
| 23:14.12 | blondie | akant wait |
| 23:14.13 | duckdown | blondie: :D |
| 23:14.18 | blondie | :D |
| 23:14.19 | amee2k | mox:: yes. 3.1 stable |
| 23:14.25 | blondie | Windows 3.1 :D |
| 23:14.28 | dondelelcaro | duckdown: right, sure seems to be etch. What seems to be the exact problem? |
| 23:14.31 | amee2k | lol |
| 23:14.38 | mox | look inside xfree86.conf |
| 23:14.52 | duckdown | dondelelcaro: Well, a good example, it's pulling a version of xchat that is like a year old.. 2.4 series; they're up to 2.6 |
| 23:15.02 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: no, ELF is the executable format. |
| 23:15.04 | duckdown | gaim is super old |
| 23:15.13 | coolpix | gn8 |
| 23:15.13 | Pendragon | huh |
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| 23:15.18 | mox | there should be in the input device section driver "synaptics" and thn some options |
| 23:15.21 | dondelelcaro | !+info xchat etch |
| 23:15.23 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 23:15.33 | eeyore- | a little knowledge is a dangerous thing |
| 23:16.20 | FarrisG | has anyone ever used an airlink 101 access point? |
| 23:16.25 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: I don't know what this elf lib exploit in particular is doing, but if you've found the initial attack, you should be able to dissasemble it to see exactly what it is doing. |
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| 23:16.41 | Pendragon | does anyone know where in /var/log I can find out more about commands run by proftp besides the syslog? |
| 23:16.52 | mox | amee2k: less /usr/share/doc/xfree86-driver-synaptics/README.Debian |
| 23:17.09 | eeyore- | Pendragon: secure your apache server. |
| 23:17.15 | dpkg | Package 'xchat' does not exist. |
| 23:17.21 | Pendragon | I already shut that down |
| 23:17.29 | WildTuRkey | eeyore- do u know what drivers i have to load?? |
| 23:17.32 | eeyore- | Pendragon: describe your apache server setup, along with any additional scripts/packages you use |
| 23:17.37 | eeyore- | WildTuRkey: "ahci" |
| 23:18.26 | dondelelcaro | duckdown: anyway, 2.4.5-2 is in testing; 2.6.1-1 is in unstable, but it hasn't transitioned to testing yet. |
| 23:18.28 | Pendragon | standard woody apache configuration, internal box only with wan access |
| 23:18.37 | dondelelcaro | !tell duckdown -about why xchat is not in testing |
| 23:18.44 | Pendragon | we ran ssh with public private key |
| 23:19.05 | Pendragon | ftp cvs and apache, and postfix other than that all ports were closed |
| 23:19.14 | eeyore- | Pendragon: so what was the apache server used for? |
| 23:19.28 | dondelelcaro | yuck. ftp? |
| 23:19.30 | shygrrl | has anyone a suggestion for monitoring a compaq R1500 with debian :) |
| 23:19.31 | duckdown | dondelelcaro: I see :) that's a bad idea for a rookie though, no? |
| 23:19.54 | dondelelcaro | duckdown: yes; you can just wait for it to transition, or you can help fix the bugs that are keeping it from transitioning... |
| 23:19.55 | amee2k | mox:: ty |
| 23:20.07 | amee2k | hope that one works |
| 23:20.20 | shygrrl | ups |
| 23:20.21 | duckdown | dondelelcaro: fair enough :-) |
| 23:20.24 | duckdown | dondelelcaro: thanks then :) |
| 23:20.30 | Pendragon | don't get me wrong, the box is smoked, I ran rootkit and they definatly got root whoever the fuck they were |
| 23:20.34 | mox | amee2k: my first time on irc...ty=?:) |
| 23:20.40 | dondelelcaro | duckdown: actually, it looks like it's going in today, so you should be able to upgrade to 2.6 tomorrow. |
| 23:20.41 | shygrrl | ty=thank you |
| 23:20.43 | amee2k | thank you |
| 23:20.48 | Pendragon | I just want to figure out how, to prevent it from happening again |
| 23:20.52 | duckdown | dondelelcaro: good timing :D |
| 23:20.54 | shygrrl | are you running php? |
| 23:21.08 | Pendragon | shygrrl, who me? |
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| 23:21.30 | eeyore- | nevermind |
| 23:21.39 | eeyore- | shygrrl: i've been asking that a few times :-) |
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| 23:21.53 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: the general mechanism used is a remote attack to execute something as nobody (or www-data), elevate to root by exploiting a kernel hole (or unsecured setuid binaries) and from there rootkit and hide the traces. |
| 23:21.54 | eeyore- | shygrrl: "standard woody install, with cvs ftp and apache" |
| 23:21.57 | Nin | hi there! |
| 23:22.19 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: so your job is to figure out how they did the first and second thing. That can only be done by a complete analysis of what the attacker changed. |
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| 23:22.47 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: if you're not running aide or similar, your job is made much more complex; likewise if you don't have any experience in this sort of thing |
| 23:23.09 | Humanoid | I've dist-upgraded debian, and now I cannot run xserver-xorg. The error log talks about pcidata module and says "(EE) module ABI number version (8) is newer than the server's version (7)" |
| 23:23.25 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: if you haven't done it yet though, make a complete image of the machine, so that it can be examined in detail. |
| 23:23.27 | Humanoid | I've tried re-installing an older version of the xserver-xorg package, but the problem is still there. |
| 23:23.59 | Pendragon | Ok, I just am not quite sure where the hell it started, I know that the first time the shelled in, they shelled in as cvs, which means that they were able to change sshd's config file because password authentication was set to no and we were only able to connect to the box with public private keys |
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| 23:24.13 | WildTuRkey | eeyore- can't find the ahci driver |
| 23:24.17 | Pendragon | therefore, they had to do something to get root access before they shelled in the first time |
| 23:24.25 | Pendragon | correct me if I am wrong on that |
| 23:24.57 | eeyore- | WildTuRkey: try asking someone else what the name of the driver is and where it can be found on the install media. i don't have that particular chip, and it's been a while since i did the install. if you want me to help, maybe try reading the names of all drivers related to "libata" |
| 23:24.59 | shygrrl | check you apache logs |
| 23:25.02 | shygrrl | but if they got root |
| 23:25.05 | shygrrl | your |
| 23:25.12 | _unstable | How can I try and play a file with gstreamer? |
| 23:25.15 | shygrrl | ssh? do you have an wasy password? |
| 23:25.17 | shygrrl | easy? |
| 23:25.19 | Pendragon | I have read the apache logs thoroughly |
| 23:25.32 | shygrrl | check /var/log/auth |
| 23:25.33 | _unstable | I have like 18 different gstreamer related packages on my system...so I"m not sure if there actually is a player or not or what. |
| 23:25.37 | shygrrl | or /var/log/secure |
| 23:25.57 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: once they were logging in, they either knew the password or had changed it, so there's little interest there; your job is to find the initial attack vector. |
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| 23:26.05 | _unstable | Is gstreamer just a library? |
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| 23:26.17 | Pendragon | PasswordAuthentication no in /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 23:26.28 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: if you can't even get a basic/straightforward anwer "do you run php" from him ... chances are slim |
| 23:26.34 | Pendragon | they changed it some how to yes |
| 23:26.47 | _unstable | The rhythmbox developers told me that "quodlibet" could play whatever "gst" plays...so I want to try and play wma files with gst...to see if certain files will be supported by quodlibet |
| 23:26.55 | Pendragon | yes we ran php if you were asking me |
| 23:26.56 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: my *guess*, exploitable apache script, or social engineering |
| 23:27.14 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: looks like you're probably right... |
| 23:27.15 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: or just some plain numbnuts |
| 23:27.16 | Durin | Pendragon: i hope you mean sshd_config |
| 23:27.39 | Pendragon | I did |
| 23:27.42 | Pendragon | typo |
| 23:27.53 | raf256[laptop] | which debian is better for server, stable or testing? |
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| 23:28.04 | dondelelcaro | Pendragon: well, there's little I can do for you without looking at the exact images of the drives, taken at the instant that you discovered the intrusion, ideally with aide information alongside. |
| 23:28.08 | raf256[laptop] | current stable is the sarge right? on 2.6 kernel? |
| 23:28.08 | dondelelcaro | raf256[laptop]: stable. |
| 23:28.09 | Pendragon | well it is the same setting in both, or it was, somehow they changed it to YES |
| 23:28.10 | WildTuRkey | can anyone tell me how to detect ULI sata m5287 hard drives when installing debian |
| 23:28.10 | amee2k | mox:: great. it works perfectly :) |
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| 23:28.13 | d0uglas | testing's better for everything except being lame |
| 23:28.20 | Pendragon | raf stable |
| 23:28.28 | Pendragon | less exploits in stable |
| 23:28.32 | raf256[laptop] | stable is not the old woody thingy? |
| 23:28.33 | eeyore- | Pendragon: you assume it was "they" who changed it to "yes", what would be the point? |
| 23:28.33 | d0uglas | fewer |
| 23:28.38 | mox | amee2k: gooooddd:) |
| 23:28.43 | Pendragon | that leaves you a more secure server, no stable is sarge |
| 23:28.47 | eeyore- | Pendragon: think about it ... if "they" can already get in, why the hell bother to change sshd_config? |
| 23:28.55 | raf256[laptop] | sarge is nice |
| 23:28.59 | raf256[laptop] | ok I will go with it then |
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| 23:29.12 | eeyore- | Pendragon: it's a *lot* more likely, if password == allow in sshd_config, some numbnut changed it |
| 23:30.11 | Pendragon | oh the point is I think they somehow used apache or ftp to upload and run a script that did that. and then shelled in and guessed the password with a password cracker |
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| 23:30.12 | bolm | :oooooooooo |
| 23:30.12 | bolm | :oooooo |
| 23:30.12 | bolm | :o |
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| 23:30.12 | Pendragon | the ssh logs show many failed attempts for shelling in before they got the right passowrd |
| 23:30.12 | shygrrl | aha |
| 23:30.12 | eeyore- | Pendragon: would be a lot easier to just deposit a file in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ... |
| 23:30.13 | shygrrl | dictionary attacked prolly |
| 23:30.20 | shygrrl | my advice |
| 23:30.32 | shygrrl | flatten the box |
| 23:30.35 | Pendragon | what's that? |
| 23:30.48 | Pendragon | oh yes box is going down and coming back up with sarge |
| 23:30.55 | shygrrl | move the ssh port.... turn off interactive do key based auth only |
| 23:31.18 | dondelelcaro | that won't help you if they're attacking using a php exploit. |
| 23:31.26 | shygrrl | if you really paranoid turn off it giving out any keys so you have to have the machines key as well |
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| 23:31.37 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: you know what, how about this ... unsecured ftp + overly laxed php/apache setup. i could imagine an easy way to upload php script, tell apache to execute it, and boom :-) |
| 23:31.51 | Pendragon | we already had key based auth only, lol, that's why I am asking how they got it turned off to use a password cracker.,... |
| 23:31.58 | shygrrl | look for wget etc... in oversized uri' in your apache error logs etc... are you running PHPBB or any of that nonsense |
| 23:32.01 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: maybe even stick the php script in ftp's incoming and have apache execute it :-) |
| 23:32.42 | Pendragon | we were running dotproject and wiki but htaccessed and ssl |
| 23:32.43 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: yeah, the attack vectors are virtually limitless... |
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| 23:33.16 | eeyore- | Pendragon: point is, once you run *any* apache-based scripts/whatever, you open it up considerably |
| 23:33.19 | WildTuRkey | can anyone tell me how to detect ULI sata m5287 hard drives when installing debian |
| 23:33.53 | eeyore- | WildTuRkey: you don't see any driver name "ahci"? |
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| 23:34.09 | WildTuRkey | nope, do i have to go to expert mode |
| 23:34.18 | gevaerts | Pendragon: was ChallengeResponseAuthentication set to no ? |
| 23:34.25 | eeyore- | WildTuRkey: are you able to see a list of drivers offered? |
| 23:34.37 | WildTuRkey | yeh |
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| 23:34.46 | shygrrl | Pamauthentication should be turned off as well |
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| 23:34.51 | eeyore- | WildTuRkey: are you able to see a list of drivers in scsi section? |
| 23:34.52 | WildTuRkey | but it's not there |
| 23:34.54 | shygrrl | if your doing keys you dont need pam |
| 23:35.05 | shygrrl | kick pam to the curb i say! |
| 23:35.06 | raf256[laptop] | what if I do my sister? |
| 23:35.08 | raf256[laptop] | </btw> |
| 23:35.12 | Pendragon | I reviewd the ftp stuff during this conversation, we were running anonymous in a jail read only deny all write |
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| 23:35.24 | raf256[laptop] | PAM is quite nice isnt it |
| 23:35.49 | Pendragon | where is ChallengeResponseAuthentication ? |
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| 23:36.02 | gevaerts | Pendragon: in sshd_config |
| 23:36.06 | Pendragon | Pamauthentication was off |
| 23:36.43 | Pendragon | ChallengeResponseAuthentication=no was commented out |
| 23:36.56 | WildTuRkey | yeh i can see the drivers in the scsi section |
| 23:37.01 | Pendragon | what does that do anyways? |
| 23:37.07 | WildTuRkey | there is a busLogic scsi host |
| 23:37.29 | eeyore- | WildTuRkey: is there a submenu/whatever for "libata"? |
| 23:37.56 | WildTuRkey | i'm in the specail boot parameter various disk drives |
| 23:38.02 | Pendragon | pm to shygrrl |
| 23:38.03 | WildTuRkey | there's no other sub menus |
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| 23:38.26 | eeyore- | WildTuRkey: i don't know why you're in "special boot parameter for various disk drives" |
| 23:38.36 | eeyore- | WildTuRkey: that doesn't sound like "load drivers" part of the install |
| 23:38.38 | WildTuRkey | where do i have to go?? |
| 23:39.06 | WildTuRkey | there's no option to load drivers part |
| 23:39.12 | eeyore- | WildTuRkey: trust me, there is |
| 23:39.19 | eeyore- | WildTuRkey: your job is to find it :-) |
| 23:39.28 | eeyore- | WildTuRkey: come back when you figure out how to load additional drivers, ok? |
| 23:39.45 | eeyore- | WildTuRkey: then we talk, otherwise, waste of time |
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| 23:40.24 | eeyore- | hey abrotman |
| 23:40.58 | WildTuRkey | cos i've got the minimum cd disk |
| 23:41.05 | abrotman | hi eeyore- |
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| 23:41.24 | eeyore- | WildTuRkey: try to get the "universal" or some such |
| 23:41.35 | abrotman | isn't that #ubuntu talk? |
| 23:41.46 | eeyore- | WildTuRkey: "minimal" is usually for *mainstream* hardware |
| 23:42.17 | eeyore- | abrotman: emerge -uDpv --newuse world? |
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| 23:42.22 | kspath | as opposed to deviant hardware ;-) |
| 23:42.25 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:42.51 | jair | guys which one is a good software to manipulate pictures in Debian sarge stable. |
| 23:42.57 | eeyore- | abrotman: you'd better shape up on gentoo --- we've got some gentoo machines around ;-) |
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| 23:43.06 | jair | where I can chek the thumbnails and resize if I want. |
| 23:43.06 | streuner | jair: gimp? |
| 23:43.07 | abrotman | eeyore-: not for long! |
| 23:43.08 | jair | etc... |
| 23:43.12 | eeyore- | abrotman: unless you want to convert them to debian. good luck! :-) |
| 23:43.20 | abrotman | jair: gimp ? |
| 23:43.26 | abrotman | eeyore-: hehe |
| 23:43.28 | Palithius | is there a network programming channel? |
| 23:43.35 | abrotman | #c ? .. maybe? |
| 23:43.39 | jair | streuner, that is a good one but I need something more practical, not to advance for now. |
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| 23:43.43 | abrotman | or #whateverlnagugeyoureusing |
| 23:44.04 | kspath | #twisted ? |
| 23:44.04 | eeyore- | abrotman: you will then encounter the awesome setups that's mine :-) with configs all over the places, services buried deeply, hidden services rarely used but 5% of the time, etc. |
| 23:44.05 | streuner | jair: well, start now, you'll need it |
| 23:44.24 | eeyore- | abrotman: which you will discover is of great importance as soon as you migrate the machine to debian, without saving the config files :-) |
| 23:44.34 | streuner | jair: if you wanna fun in linux... |
| 23:45.06 | liable | jair: imagemagick |
| 23:45.19 | eeyore- | Palithius: what kind of "network programming", agreed, twisted = instant gratification |
| 23:45.21 | kspath | eeyore-: job security or revenge? |
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| 23:46.11 | kspath | eeyore-: configs all over the place in their normal/default locations? |
| 23:46.14 | abrotman | eeyore-: and they will all be gone :) |
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| 23:46.59 | jair | stream, thank you and abrotman :) |
| 23:47.14 | jair | liable, I understand that that application is a command line one right :) |
| 23:47.20 | liable | yes |
| 23:47.32 | jair | liable, it is a manual with it? |
| 23:47.37 | liable | but very simple |
| 23:47.40 | kspath | Unless someone did some real evil bootstrapping of services on machines with remote content and kept the key parts in memory only I can not see how bad it could be eeyore- |
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| 23:47.52 | Azar | reading the daemon log I wonder what this means: Feb 23: 00:58:15 modprobe: FATAL: Error running install command for sound_slot_0 |
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| 23:47.57 | jair | liable, the manual is somewhere in the internet? |
| 23:48.06 | eeyore- | kspath: i'm trying to scare abrotman |
| 23:48.11 | streuner | jair: sure |
| 23:48.16 | kspath | !boo abrotman |
| 23:48.17 | streuner | jair: just google |
| 23:48.17 | liable | jair: theres a good tutorial for it, but i dont have the url handy, google graphics from the command line |
| 23:48.25 | Azar | :) welcome back eeyore- |
| 23:48.31 | thingfish | gosh, you know, you can almost be up to date, using a few things from backports.org. |
| 23:48.38 | Pendragon | What is /var/log/lastlog ? |
| 23:48.44 | abrotman | eeyore-: if you want to scare me .. tell me it's all SCO Unix :) |
| 23:48.48 | Pendragon | it's a binary of somesort |
| 23:48.52 | Azar | Pendragon: a bunch of dingbats |
| 23:48.57 | eeyore- | abrotman: btw, you've done some php coding right? how about compiling/packaging gnu toolchains and stuff? libtool/auto-tools work? |
| 23:49.01 | liable | jair: it also html docs in /usr/share/doc |
| 23:49.12 | eeyore- | hey azar |
| 23:49.29 | abrotman | eeyore-: no tool chain stuff . just a pile of web languages lately |
| 23:49.35 | kspath | Azar: hehehe |
| 23:49.40 | abrotman | i can't even remember the last time i did a good amount of C++ |
| 23:49.57 | eeyore- | abrotman: oh well, it's not that hard to compile/build the gnu gcc/g++/binutils, just *really* tedious |
| 23:50.09 | abrotman | you know . they make precompiled binaries for that :) |
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| 23:50.18 | eeyore- | abrotman: can't |
| 23:50.40 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: ow .. the hoe hit me! |
| 23:50.42 | eeyore- | abrotman: solaris, for example. and even for linux, we still want specific versions of gcc |
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| 23:50.54 | abrotman | eeyore-: yeah .. but they make binary versions of those |
| 23:50.59 | kspath | abrotman: you are not a very good pimp |
| 23:51.00 | eeyore- | abrotman: can't :-) |
| 23:51.04 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:51.19 | Azar | I just came home, found network down, the win box rebooted and now checking the logs: syslog: eth0: Autonegotiation advertising 0x5e1 partner 0x00. |
| 23:51.22 | abrotman | kspath: we can't all be pros like you :) |
| 23:51.26 | eeyore- | abrotman: i see you're already going to need a few sessions in Brainwashing 101 |
| 23:51.39 | abrotman | eeyore-: but they make precompiled binaries :) |
| 23:52.00 | Pendragon | quit |
| 23:52.00 | jair | liable, thanks |
| 23:52.05 | abrotman | kspath: how about some umbrella? |
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| 23:52.17 | abrotman | kspath: did you see the picture damog put up? |
| 23:52.44 | eeyore- | abrotman: if they make you replace me completely (e.g., take my current workloads off me altogether) then yeah, you'll need to do some toolchain/auto-tools work and php maintenance (my code, good luck, muahahahahah) |
| 23:52.54 | eeyore- | shit, i don't even remember what the hell i do in php at times |
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| 23:53.08 | abrotman | eeyore-: it's just PHP .. it's way easier than replang |
| 23:53.31 | kspath | abrotman: No I did not... |
| 23:53.35 | scarynetworkguy | replang uber alles! |
| 23:53.41 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:53.50 | eeyore- | i have funny video ... let me find the link |
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| 23:54.00 | abrotman | my brother says i should move to denver |
| 23:54.21 | thingfish | why should you move to denver? |
| 23:54.27 | eeyore- | http://view.break.com/78109 |
| 23:54.30 | abrotman | he seems to think i'd really enjoy it |
| 23:54.41 | eeyore- | abrotman: what? |
| 23:54.43 | thingfish | I mean, other than the coolness of living in colorado. |
| 23:54.45 | abrotman | though .. he also says i'd really really love corvallis :) |
| 23:54.52 | eeyore- | abrotman: don't make me drag you to california |
| 23:55.03 | thingfish | they have lenient pot laws in colorado. :) |
| 23:55.06 | eeyore- | is that cornwallis in england? |
| 23:55.30 | abrotman | in oregon .. |
| 23:55.33 | abrotman | my brother can't stay put :) |
| 23:55.58 | thingfish | nomadism would not be a totally objectionable lifestyle. |
| 23:56.07 | eeyore- | too old for that |
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| 23:56.15 | eeyore- | besides i have kids, kinda make it hard |
| 23:56.26 | noen | Are there any calls to figure out its own executable file ? |
| 23:56.37 | abrotman | thingfish: he wants to go work in antarctica |
| 23:56.48 | abrotman | fuck i can't spell |
| 23:56.50 | thingfish | oh wow, neat, abrotman. |
| 23:56.55 | abrotman | thingfish: define neat .. |
| 23:57.01 | eeyore- | abrotman: better hurry while there's *still* antartica left |
| 23:57.15 | hyperstream | http://pastebin.com/571194 anyone know how to resolve this issue |
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| 23:57.27 | abrotman | eeyore-: he just moved to denver .. maybe in a year .. he'll move elsewhere |
| 23:57.33 | thingfish | abrotman: somewhat pristine environment...unique wildlife...barren vistas... |
| 23:57.52 | eeyore- | abrotman: does that mean you might not want to come to california? :-) |
| 23:58.02 | abrotman | thingfish: uhm .. it's either 6mos or a year . if you get the wrong 6 mos .. you can't go outside |
| 23:58.06 | abrotman | eeyore-: all options are open :) |
| 23:58.10 | thingfish | I would go to CA, but for the earthquakes. |
| 23:58.14 | eeyore- | thingfish: bear lunch |
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| 23:58.19 | thingfish | homey don't play earthquakes. |
| 23:58.22 | abrotman | thingfish: sit your fat ass down .. no more earthquakes |
| 23:58.25 | noen | hyperstream, : install the oss headers |
| 23:58.28 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:58.44 | abrotman | thingfish: aren't you really close to madrid? |
| 23:58.45 | eeyore- | thingfish: you know what, i've been here six years and maybe felt one or two small quakes |
| 23:59.00 | abrotman | thingfish: erm .. New Madrid i mean |
| 23:59.01 | hyperstream | noen, i compile my kernel and took out oss completely |
| 23:59.07 | hyperstream | why does alsa require oss headers? |
| 23:59.08 | eeyore- | thingfish: hell the rockcrawlin' i do is scarier than any quakes |
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| 23:59.17 | thingfish | abrotman: as far as being cooped up inside, well, there are things one can do with one's buddies to pass the time. And no, I mean more like poker. |
| 23:59.23 | abrotman | hyperstream: oss compat layer |
| 23:59.28 | OfficeChair | Is backports.org only for i386? |
| 23:59.32 | eeyore- | thingfish: you like to be the poker or the pokee? |
| 23:59.32 | hyperstream | :/ |
| 23:59.37 | penguin | Wrong six months? |
| 23:59.43 | hyperstream | hmm, whats the package name if i may ask |
| 23:59.43 | abrotman | OfficeChair: get me a lobster .. then i'll answer you |
| 23:59.51 | OfficeChair | Eww. |
| 23:59.53 | abrotman | penguin: you know .. WINTER |
| 23:59.55 | thingfish | eeyore-: yeah, but you go looking for that kind of danger. You know they have medications these days that can help with that sort of thing. |
