| 00:00.04 | OfficeChair | abrotman: Pepperoni is better. |
| 00:00.06 | thingfish | hehe eeyore- |
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| 00:00.15 | abrotman | OfficeChair: lobster! |
| 00:00.20 | eeyore- | thingfish: chicken |
| 00:00.30 | abrotman | OfficeChair: go to Young's in Belfast .. get me a 2 pounder please! |
| 00:00.32 | OfficeChair | abrotman: PEPPERONI! |
| 00:00.35 | thingfish | eeyore-: let's just say I'm versatile. |
| 00:00.37 | eeyore- | thingfish: why live in california if you're not gonna enjoy its features |
| 00:00.42 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:00.44 | OfficeChair | abrotman: Belfast? |
| 00:00.50 | abrotman | OfficeChair: near camden? |
| 00:00.55 | penguin | Is Antartica disappearing also, I know the north pole is going. |
| 00:00.56 | OfficeChair | Oh yeah. |
| 00:00.58 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:01.06 | thingfish | hell, the north pole is flat melting. |
| 00:01.10 | hyperstream | abrotman, is there a package or do i need to recompile kernel to support oss comapt layer? |
| 00:01.11 | OfficeChair | Never been outside central Maine in my life. :) |
| 00:01.20 | abrotman | hyperstream: why are you compiling alsa? |
| 00:01.22 | eeyore- | penguin: yeah, and you know what's next? yellostone. big kaboom. |
| 00:01.25 | thingfish | all those polar bears are going to have to start learning how to shed. |
| 00:01.25 | abrotman | OfficeChair: i bought my car in waterville |
| 00:01.26 | eeyore- | yellowstone |
| 00:01.34 | OfficeChair | abrotman: I have been to Waterville. |
| 00:01.51 | abrotman | i would hope so |
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| 00:01.58 | hyperstream | abrotman, i compiled it because when i had alsa and oss compat layer it was still using oss, and i couldnt use alsa to setup surround sound |
| 00:01.58 | OfficeChair | I was born there. :) |
| 00:02.08 | hyperstream | so i recompile and now i have surround sound etc |
| 00:02.08 | thingfish | ooh, central Maine. |
| 00:02.13 | abrotman | hyperstream: but alsa is in 2.6 kernels |
| 00:02.22 | abrotman | thingfish: nice area :) |
| 00:02.23 | hyperstream | yeah i didnt install alsa by package |
| 00:02.25 | thingfish | gawd, just give me anyplace but kansas city. |
| 00:02.31 | hyperstream | i added it in the kernel config |
| 00:02.32 | Kronoz | is xorg 7.0 in unstable? |
| 00:02.36 | abrotman | thingfish: you'd like philly! |
| 00:02.37 | thingfish | look |
| 00:02.39 | hyperstream | but i took out oss in the kernel config also |
| 00:02.40 | abrotman | Kronoz: not yet! |
| 00:02.41 | OfficeChair | Backports.org doesn't seem to have packages for anything other than i386 machines. |
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| 00:02.50 | abrotman | OfficeChair: no .. it doesn't .. now bring me a lobster! |
| 00:02.57 | Eulex | OfficeChair, then build it. |
| 00:02.59 | thingfish | abrotman: I've been to philly, and yes, it's way cool. Plus I have a zillion relatives in norristown. |
| 00:03.13 | noen | hyperstream, install the oss library and do a "ldconfig" |
| 00:03.14 | eeyore- | quit being *on*-topic, guys |
| 00:03.22 | thingfish | and some of them even speak english. |
| 00:03.24 | eeyore- | this is the requisite friday off-topic hour |
| 00:03.24 | hyperstream | liboss |
| 00:03.25 | christor_ | Hello I have isntalled a debian on an old dell computer. Now I would like to work on the sound card but it is not detected in the lspic |
| 00:03.27 | Kronoz | abrotman: when is it expected to be in unstable? |
| 00:03.28 | hyperstream | ill search cache brb |
| 00:03.30 | abrotman | OfficeChair: however .. the source is there |
| 00:03.32 | Eulex | *ot in the air* |
| 00:03.34 | abrotman | Kronoz: when it gets tehre! |
| 00:03.39 | abrotman | thingfish: but you never call! |
| 00:03.40 | christor_ | how can I do to find the card sourd installed? |
| 00:03.46 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:03.58 | abrotman | christor_: how old? |
| 00:04.01 | thingfish | I haven't been there in ages. |
| 00:04.05 | eeyore- | christor_: is it an ISA card? :-p |
| 00:04.09 | abrotman | thingfish: slyfox! |
| 00:04.09 | Eulex | Kronoz, however, xorg 7.0 is in experimental. install at your own risk, though. |
| 00:04.09 | OfficeChair | Bah... I'll get to that later. |
| 00:04.17 | christor_ | abrotman: dimension pII 333 |
| 00:04.22 | abrotman | thingfish: we'll grab stew and beta3 too! and secher! |
| 00:04.25 | OfficeChair | christor_: Time to upgrade. |
| 00:04.29 | abrotman | christor_: is it ISA ? |
| 00:04.36 | eeyore- | abrotman: i asked him that! |
| 00:04.38 | Kronoz | Eulex: thanks |
| 00:04.47 | thingfish | abrotman: and more. |
| 00:05.00 | christor_ | eeyore-: no it s a intregateed |
| 00:05.06 | thingfish | I want my italian relatives' cooking. |
| 00:05.10 | abrotman | thingfish: i'm not sure who else in #d is from that area |
| 00:05.17 | Eulex | Kronoz, yw :) |
| 00:05.22 | hyperstream | noen, cant find the lib for it |
| 00:05.24 | christor_ | and I have search on the dell web site but no info |
| 00:05.24 | eeyore- | christor_: are you absolutely sure it's not showing up on lspci? prove it to me :-) |
| 00:05.26 | Azar | I would like a little animation on the nethack-ascii, like the slash character to rotate :) |
| 00:05.29 | abrotman | thingfish: oh .. yonkeltron is .. GOOD SHABBOS! |
| 00:05.33 | christor_ | eeyore-: hehe |
| 00:05.34 | stew | please don't grab me |
| 00:05.40 | thingfish | like what I wouldn't give for a casserole full of baked squid right now. |
| 00:05.43 | abrotman | stew: we won't leave marks! |
| 00:05.59 | thingfish | hehe abrotman - he's chicken. one or two religious questions and he bows out. |
| 00:06.08 | christor_ | eeyore-: no serious it is not in the lspci |
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| 00:06.12 | hyperstream | noen, alsa-oss - ALSA wrapper for OSS applications |
| 00:06.12 | hyperstream | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.15 | abrotman | christor_: is it PCI ? |
| 00:06.22 | abrotman | hyperstream: uname -a |
| 00:06.22 | christor_ | abrotman: no integrated |
| 00:06.24 | OfficeChair | christor_: Probably not worth the bother. |
| 00:06.28 | eeyore- | we're going to be in ocotillo wells this sunday, exploring the 3.5 million year old animal tracks :-) that's if anyone cares :-p |
| 00:06.36 | thingfish | wow |
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| 00:06.38 | eeyore- | hopefully we won't fall off any cliffs |
| 00:06.45 | thingfish | that would be beyond cool |
| 00:06.50 | abrotman | eeyore-: watch out for the 3.5 million year old pile of dinosaur shit |
| 00:06.54 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:06.58 | OfficeChair | Heheh |
| 00:07.00 | eeyore- | abrotman: "coprolite" |
| 00:07.09 | thingfish | no, "shit" |
| 00:07.17 | abrotman | poo if you will |
| 00:07.25 | hyperstream | Linux debian 2.6.15.4 #1 Fri Feb 24 11:49:36 EST 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:07.27 | thingfish | dino caca |
| 00:07.31 | eeyore- | it won't be "shit" if it's old :-) |
| 00:07.36 | abrotman | hyperstream: you already have alsa |
| 00:07.37 | christor_ | and the motherboard is a intel 440 LX |
| 00:07.40 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 00:07.40 | OfficeChair | eeyore-: Any good WiFi spots out there? |
| 00:07.40 | dpkg | from memory, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 00:07.41 | thingfish | well that's true of course. |
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| 00:07.48 | eeyore- | OfficeChair: ocotillo wells? |
| 00:07.49 | hyperstream | yes |
| 00:07.51 | hyperstream | and it works nice |
| 00:07.57 | hyperstream | but noen says i need oss headers |
| 00:07.59 | noen | hyperstream, try install the libaudio2 package |
| 00:08.00 | abrotman | christor_: please paste the output of lspci somewhere |
| 00:08.01 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:08.02 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:08.13 | thingfish | what I need to do is go see the bald eagles. I haven't done that this year. |
| 00:08.16 | abrotman | wtf is noen ? |
| 00:08.24 | noen | nvm |
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| 00:08.29 | raf256[laptop] | is there a debian installer |
| 00:08.30 | OfficeChair | !acronym noen |
| 00:08.39 | abrotman | !d-i raf256[laptop] |
| 00:08.39 | dpkg | raf256[laptop], you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:08.42 | raf256[laptop] | that instantly spawns an ssh access? |
| 00:08.58 | abrotman | !ssh install |
| 00:08.58 | dpkg | ssh install is probably http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-miscellaneous |
| 00:09.01 | raf256[laptop] | so I can just install a CD into a non monitor PC |
| 00:09.03 | raf256[laptop] | ij |
| 00:09.05 | raf256[laptop] | ok |
| 00:09.17 | OfficeChair | Non monitor PC? |
| 00:09.17 | hyperstream | noen, ok recompiling mythtv. takes about 20 mins |
| 00:09.21 | hyperstream | thanks a lot :) |
| 00:09.28 | raf256[laptop] | OfficeChair: no monitor |
| 00:09.34 | thingfish | it's amazing the change that has come over this channel in the past few months. |
| 00:09.41 | abrotman | thingfish: what change? |
| 00:09.41 | OfficeChair | Sounds like the LCD went bad in it. |
| 00:09.42 | christor_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/571210 |
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| 00:10.05 | thingfish | abrotman: it's not so...Wild West...as it once was. |
| 00:10.05 | abrotman | christor_: i'll bet money your sound is ISA |
| 00:10.11 | abrotman | thingfish: some days it is |
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| 00:10.31 | raf256[laptop] | !ssh install |
| 00:10.31 | dpkg | ssh install is probably http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-miscellaneous |
| 00:10.34 | thingfish | abrotman: well that's just because the loonies aren't shot dead trying to ride into town. |
| 00:10.41 | abrotman | they should be! |
| 00:10.41 | OfficeChair | abrotman: thingfish is talking about the increase in the intellect of the questions asked here in the past few months. |
| 00:10.48 | thingfish | oh hey, I'm for it. |
| 00:10.51 | abrotman | OfficeChair: you haven't been in here much :) |
| 00:10.54 | kspath | thingfish: how do I get my madriva/fedora/ubuntu butt to use debian with a knoppix CD? |
| 00:10.58 | thingfish | no I'm not, OfficeChair |
| 00:11.05 | christor_ | abrotman: the connectic on the tower are side the keyboard and the mouse |
| 00:11.07 | OfficeChair | thingfish: Oh. |
| 00:11.13 | jetscreamer | can you get apt-cache to search a different version, like if you're running etch can you get apt-cache to search sid repositories |
| 00:11.18 | OfficeChair | thingfish: What do you mean by Wild West? |
| 00:11.19 | eeyore- | abrotman: mwilson for one |
| 00:11.19 | jetscreamer | like the bots do |
| 00:11.20 | thingfish | kspath: can you rephrase that please? |
| 00:11.22 | abrotman | eeyore-: hehe |
| 00:11.22 | christor_ | abrotman: there is no card added |
| 00:11.27 | jetscreamer | mwilson rocks |
| 00:11.30 | thingfish | OfficeChair: tsk |
| 00:11.34 | abrotman | christor_: you can have onboard ISA |
| 00:11.38 | eeyore- | abrotman: no more gigantic PMS case from hell |
| 00:11.44 | kspath | !citizen thingfish |
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| 00:11.56 | thingfish | eek mwilson should be rendered down for his water. |
| 00:12.14 | jetscreamer | no you are not the maudi |
| 00:12.17 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:12.25 | thingfish | but I take the spice! all the time! |
| 00:12.28 | abrotman | jetscreamer: not that i'm aware |
| 00:12.41 | jetscreamer | but seriously, mwilson was cool. |
| 00:12.45 | christor_ | mmh how can I check?? when I try to use the sound I have the error oss_audio : failed to open audio device /dev/dsp |
| 00:12.46 | thingfish | no he was not. |
| 00:12.46 | eeyore- | i'll post the URL to pictures if i took any this sunday, more than likely i will :-) |
| 00:12.47 | Supaplex | Why is asterisk not running after I run /etc/init.d/asterisk start? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/dKSfxj46.html |
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| 00:12.55 | thingfish | he was an asshole. |
| 00:13.02 | jetscreamer | mwilson was my yardstick.. yes he was |
| 00:13.02 | kspath | hehehe |
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| 00:13.03 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: eh? |
| 00:13.27 | jetscreamer | if i couldn't keep mwilson from being ABLE to bitch, i deserved it |
| 00:13.34 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: do not follow in his/her footstep, or i'm gonna have to permaban you in 1 nanosecond |
| 00:13.40 | jetscreamer | as far as me i mean |
| 00:13.50 | jetscreamer | hey |
| 00:13.59 | thingfish | hehe eeyore- for president! |
| 00:14.05 | jetscreamer | you gotta, you gotta.. i'll understand |
| 00:14.08 | wols_ | mwilson is banned? what did he do? |
| 00:14.14 | abrotman | wols_: what didn't he do? |
| 00:14.16 | jetscreamer | be sure and please explain why eh |
| 00:14.23 | thingfish | wols_: you shoulda been here. |
| 00:14.23 | jetscreamer | if it ever was to come up |
| 00:14.39 | abrotman | eeyore-: Do you even understand how Unix writes files? How stupid are you!@? |
| 00:14.39 | wols_ | I wish I was. please someone gimme logs. pretty please? |
| 00:14.41 | jetscreamer | mwilson would have loads of fun in #ubuntu |
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| 00:14.52 | thingfish | now that I wouldn't mind seeing. |
| 00:15.06 | abrotman | wols_: it wasn't dramatic .. he did something .. he'd been warned .. op saw it .. permaban |
| 00:15.08 | gevaerts | christor_: try installing isapnptools and running pnpdump. That might give some info |
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| 00:15.10 | thingfish | that kind of puts a whole new perspective on it. |
| 00:15.12 | jetscreamer | the thought makes me seriously rofl |
| 00:15.13 | kspath | abrotman: heheheh |
| 00:15.14 | gralhatur | ola |
| 00:15.16 | streuner | jetscreamer: wanna tell that him personally? |
| 00:15.25 | tarzeau | KDE SUCKS! |
| 00:15.29 | deadlyninja | is there anything i have to do to enable gigabit mode on my ethernet card, or should it be working in gigabit mode by default? |
| 00:15.32 | gralhatur | alguem fala minha lingua estou precisando de ajuda |
| 00:15.32 | eeyore- | tarzeau: blaspheme! |
| 00:15.33 | tarzeau | the other day, i've started kontact |
| 00:15.36 | jetscreamer | tell him 'which' |
| 00:15.36 | thingfish | tarzeau: it all sucks. |
| 00:15.38 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 00:15.39 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:15.39 | streuner | hm |
| 00:15.41 | tarzeau | and then a splashscreen appeared |
| 00:15.49 | gralhatur | ok |
| 00:15.52 | thingfish | every last bit of it. I hate computers *and* software. |
| 00:15.55 | tarzeau | but another window about cookies appeaered UNDER THE FUCKING SPLASHSCREEN |
| 00:15.56 | kspath | !t3ll gralhatur about br |
| 00:16.01 | kspath | !tell gralhatur about br |
| 00:16.12 | streuner | tarzeau: hm |
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| 00:16.16 | jetscreamer | he got tole |
| 00:16.22 | jetscreamer | abotu br i mean |
| 00:16.26 | tarzeau | and it look like it crashed, WHO WOULD GET THE IDEA TO MOVE the almost invislbe fucking cookie window from under the splashscreen to some visible place |
| 00:16.30 | tarzeau | and FUCKING KDE! |
| 00:16.31 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:16.49 | pat_ | hi all one question really simple but important to me: realtime-lsm is working or not with kernel-2.6.15-1? (unstable)??? |
| 00:16.51 | tarzeau | but hey, it was just a user. and the software is broken anyways, even when you get around this moronic splashscreen |
| 00:16.53 | thingfish | but lord master torvalds says we should all move to it. |
| 00:16.53 | wols_ | tarzeau: what took you so long to find out that kde sucks? |
| 00:16.54 | eeyore- | tarzeau: have we finished venting, dear? :-) |
| 00:16.54 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: yeah i know what you mean. just the other day it wasn't the splash, but i had the same thing. |
| 00:17.01 | tarzeau | eeyore-: i can sleep now |
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| 00:17.11 | mikeX | gtsib: /msg dpkg what |
| 00:17.12 | linoleum | yopp |
| 00:17.20 | linoleum | super , y a des gens |
| 00:17.20 | tarzeau | wols_: i still use konqueror on gnu/kfreebsd. because gecko sucks even more (don't work at all) |
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| 00:17.25 | juanchotazo | ds |
| 00:17.26 | Supaplex | !shredsmite it |
| 00:17.27 | Eulex | tarzeau, wm problem? sounds like NET_WM_USER_TIME is not being set correctly or that the wm handles it incorrectly |
| 00:17.29 | pat_ | linoleum: /join #demudi-fr |
| 00:17.33 | abrotman | wols_: and that was it :) |
| 00:17.36 | mikeX | gtsib: sorry, what are you |
| 00:17.39 | linoleum | sorry wrong channe :) |
| 00:17.41 | tarzeau | Eulex: no it's not a wm problem. you think fvwm2 is broken? |
| 00:17.45 | tarzeau | Eulex: come on, it's older than kde |
| 00:17.46 | juanchotazo | how can I see what user is running a process? |
| 00:17.49 | gtsib | :} |
| 00:17.53 | eeyore- | jeezus, software delivery takes forever! |
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| 00:18.03 | tarzeau | Eulex: ok maybe debian's fvwm is broken, but debian broke it |
| 00:18.04 | abrotman | eeyore-: why do you wait for UPS? |
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| 00:18.11 | Eulex | tarzeau, hehe :) |
| 00:18.14 | Supaplex | re my asterisk question, it appears up - now that I moved my modules directory out of the way and reinstalled. |
| 00:18.22 | christor_ | gevaerts: no isa pnp tools available :s |
| 00:18.24 | eeyore- | abrotman: no, Computer Associates' Software Delivery |
| 00:18.26 | abrotman | !isapnp |
| 00:18.27 | dpkg | i heard isapnp is a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump, or http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/ |
| 00:18.42 | juanchotazo | !ps |
| 00:18.42 | dpkg | ps is probably a command that reports a snapshot of active processes (`man ps' for more info). Try: `ps auxw' which will report all processes with username in wide format. or ps is fixed in 2.0.3-3, no more segfaults. |
| 00:18.44 | tarzeau | Eulex: often a debian maintainer (or developer) thinks i do this smart shit that upstream thought on much better already, and rapes the software that bad, it gets worse like in a nightmare |
| 00:18.48 | tarzeau | Eulex: but hey, it's debian |
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| 00:19.06 | pat_ | is realtime-lsm still working with 2.6.15 |
| 00:19.13 | pat_ | or maybe there's an alternative? |
| 00:19.33 | abrotman | thingfish: how close are you to new madrid? |
| 00:19.46 | Eulex | tarzeau, hmm, ok |
| 00:20.23 | christor_ | I have no pnpdump no isapnp... |
| 00:20.26 | christor_ | :s |
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| 00:20.37 | kspath | hmmm I am lagged |
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| 00:20.40 | wols_ | a question about a specialized kernel: is there a way to let a single process only have a certain percentage of CPU? like 40%? |
| 00:20.58 | Eulex | kspath, "he came, he saw, he lagged" :) |
| 00:21.02 | abrotman | ulimit? nice? cpu affinity? |
| 00:21.05 | streuner | wols_: man nice? |
| 00:21.18 | wols_ | I need to run 2 processes both can run at 40% (WINE....) but they'll take 100% always |
| 00:21.25 | jetscreamer | Supaplex: you know about #asterisk i guess |
| 00:21.25 | wols_ | streuner: don't think this would work here |
| 00:21.44 | gevaerts | christor_: pnpdump should be in the isapnptools package |
| 00:21.58 | wols_ | it needs those 40% on a smooth basis, no sudden "bursts" |
| 00:22.10 | abrotman | ulimit? |
| 00:22.35 | wols_ | doesn't that check only over all used cpu time? |
| 00:23.11 | abrotman | dunno .. you'll have to read a bit |
| 00:23.18 | streuner | wols_: why do you think you need that at all? |
| 00:23.40 | wols_ | cause I need to run 2 instances of a game simultaneously :) |
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| 00:23.50 | eeyore- | wols_: get two computers |
| 00:24.02 | wols_ | eeyore-: no option. neither is a dualcore. can't afford either |
| 00:24.30 | wols_ | is there some realtime linux which could do this? |
| 00:24.35 | Red_Cloud | I want change from sarge to etch. I need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list to refer to testing instead of sarge. Can someone give me the exact syntax to use for this edit? |
| 00:24.44 | Eulex | wols_, won't just running them at the same time make they use about the same cpu amount? |
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| 00:24.53 | WildTuRkey | can someone tell me how to install optional drivers when installing debian |
| 00:24.56 | kspath | qnx? |
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| 00:25.12 | wols_ | kspath: it's windows software so it must run under wine :( |
| 00:25.13 | tarzeau | WildTuRkey: linux? kfreebsd? hurd? |
| 00:25.18 | WildTuRkey | linux |
| 00:25.21 | wols_ | Eulex: but very unstable imho. not "smooth" |
| 00:25.21 | Eulex | Red_Cloud, deb url release sections. change release from sarge or stable to testing or etch. |
| 00:25.22 | tarzeau | WildTuRkey: drivers for what hardware exactly? |
| 00:25.25 | stew | WildTuRkey: like what? |
| 00:25.31 | wols_ | the game runs fast for a second then lags again, etc |
| 00:25.37 | Eulex | wols_, hmm, ok |
| 00:25.43 | WildTuRkey | the installer won't dectect my sata hard drive |
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| 00:25.49 | thingfish | abrotman: I'm not at all close to it, merciful god. |
| 00:25.52 | stew | WildTuRkey: have you tried the 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:25.54 | wols_ | Red_Cloud: where there is "sarge" or "stable" you replace it with "testing" |
| 00:25.55 | WildTuRkey | yeh |
| 00:26.01 | tarzeau | WildTuRkey: oh google for sarge 2.6.15 .jpg |
| 00:26.03 | thingfish | abrotman: but plenty close enough, when it comes. |
| 00:26.04 | christor_ | gevaerts: I have not this packages available |
| 00:26.04 | abrotman | thingfish: dunno .. they say if it goes .. it will be felt far and wide |
| 00:26.05 | Eulex | WildTuRkey, tested both kernels? and what chipset? |
| 00:26.06 | tarzeau | remove the last g |
| 00:26.12 | thingfish | abrotman: KC will see major devastation. |
| 00:26.15 | christor_ | gevaerts: it s strange |
| 00:26.16 | tarzeau | WildTuRkey: yes |
| 00:26.17 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 00:26.27 | thingfish | oh yes, yay. |
| 00:26.28 | wols_ | does anyone know a realtime linux discussion place where people would know about such things? |
| 00:26.31 | tarzeau | Eulex: yes probably he tested both kernels, they are both stoneage |
| 00:26.38 | thingfish | FEMA, give me some money! |
| 00:26.41 | tarzeau | Eulex: debian ships software that will just not run on last year computers |
| 00:26.42 | Eulex | tarzeau, indeed. |
| 00:26.45 | WildTuRkey | i've got a ULI sata m5287 |
| 00:26.48 | thingfish | oh wait - they'll be nowhere to be found. |
| 00:26.59 | tarzeau | but hey try debian gnu/kfreebsd, it worked on my sata (which sarge didn't) |
| 00:27.10 | tarzeau | WildTuRkey: really you need the .jp 2.6.15 sarge |
| 00:27.20 | kspath | you guys talking yellowstone caldera or a uber quake in Cali? |
| 00:27.24 | tarzeau | wols_: #linux ? |
| 00:27.25 | raf256[laptop] | is it easy to boostrap a debian? |
| 00:27.28 | thingfish | i think if you have past ICH5 sata, you need help. |
| 00:27.37 | raf256[laptop] | like, my friends gives me his HDD, and I install a new debian there |
| 00:27.44 | hyperstream | noen, still error'd i also did apt-get install alsa-oss |
| 00:27.44 | raf256[laptop] | from withing my debian |
| 00:27.47 | hyperstream | and still failed |
| 00:27.52 | juanchotazo | is there a way I could channel a large ammount of data to a file? ie a big file? |
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| 00:27.59 | Eulex | thingfish, debian installs fine on ich6, if you use the 2.4.27 kernel. the 2.6.8 kernel won't work, though. |
| 00:28.06 | tarzeau | juanchotazo: sure |
| 00:28.08 | Ts0p | liable:hey man how are you doing |
| 00:28.17 | thingfish | kspath: the greatest earthquake ever to hit the north amercan continent occurred in southeast Missourit. |
| 00:28.23 | thingfish | *Missouri |
| 00:28.37 | thingfish | Eulex: isn't that odd. |
| 00:28.43 | kspath | hmm, I am slow and do not remember that one... :-) |
| 00:28.49 | Eulex | thingfish, yep it is. |
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| 00:28.59 | abrotman | thingfish: dunno about ever |
| 00:29.06 | juanchotazo | tarzeau: how |
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| 00:29.17 | gevaerts | christor_: aparently it got removed from unstable and testing. Try getting the version from sarge |
| 00:29.18 | juanchotazo | tarzeau: with dd, how can I create a 40 mb file |
| 00:29.25 | tarzeau | juanchotazo: very easily |
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| 00:29.31 | tarzeau | juanchotazo: can you type "man dd"? |
| 00:29.48 | WildTuRkey | tarzeau where do i get the .jp 2.6.15 sarge |
| 00:29.52 | abrotman | thingfish: though .. they say if it goes .. it might be :) |
| 00:29.59 | tarzeau | WildTuRkey: can you type that in google? |
| 00:29.59 | stew | WildTuRkey: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 00:30.05 | abrotman | thingfish: and watch out for the supervolcano in wyoming! |
| 00:30.07 | kspath | thingfish I knew there was a large one that hit less than 200 years ago I think but my memory is weak |
| 00:30.07 | le_neko | i have some applications that have small very small fonts , is there a way to fix it ? |
| 00:30.30 | abrotman | what apps? |
| 00:30.38 | le_neko | swami for sample |
| 00:30.38 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: yes, but I figured they'd send me here for an 'init script' issue or something. thanks tho =) |
| 00:30.39 | treyh0 | how can i run clamav from etch on a sarge box without having to upgrade my libc6? the only way is building from source? |
| 00:30.41 | abrotman | kspath: there was .. quite a few .. felt it in boston |
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| 00:30.53 | tarzeau | le_neko: is it gtk? 1? 2? qt? motif? |
| 00:30.56 | abrotman | !tell treyh0 about simple sid backport |
| 00:30.58 | stew | treyh0: don't use clamav from etch, use it from volatile |
| 00:31.02 | le_neko | hum |
| 00:31.02 | abrotman | or that! |
| 00:31.03 | stew | treyh0: /msg dpkg volatile |
| 00:31.04 | Ts0p | stew are you busy helping someone now....can u help me fix mynetwork problem please |
| 00:31.05 | tarzeau | le_neko: or something like xine or xmms, where the author thought he's smarter? |
| 00:31.06 | Red_Cloud | wols_ how do I change this line? deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050607)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 00:31.10 | le_neko | yes |
| 00:31.12 | le_neko | xmms |
| 00:31.14 | tarzeau | le_neko: if it's one of the latter ones, you're like fucked |
| 00:31.17 | le_neko | have the problem too |
| 00:31.20 | tarzeau | le_neko: it's broken, and nobody can fix it |
| 00:31.21 | streuner | treyh0: isn't there an updated version for clamav? |
| 00:31.24 | kspath | recent one: October 31, 1895. Southeastern Missouri. Magnitude 5.9. |
| 00:31.26 | abrotman | !gtk font size |
| 00:31.26 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and gtk-theme-switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 00:31.27 | streuner | !listvals clamav |
| 00:31.29 | juanchotazo | !vmlinuz |
| 00:31.30 | wols_ | Red_Cloud: you don't. run apt-setup and select a repository near you |
| 00:31.31 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'clamav' by value returned no results. |
| 00:31.33 | TigerTjader | hi |
| 00:31.36 | streuner | hm |
| 00:31.36 | wols_ | you can delete that line from sources.list |
| 00:31.38 | stew | Ts0p: if you have questions, ask. someone will help if i don't |
| 00:31.39 | tarzeau | le_neko: find the author and beat him badly |
| 00:31.45 | abrotman | !tell Mazingaro about away |
| 00:31.45 | le_neko | ahah |
| 00:31.52 | stew | streuner: clamav was the reason volatile was created |
| 00:31.55 | le_neko | no seriously |
| 00:31.57 | TigerTjader | does GnomeBaker burn DVD images? |
| 00:32.00 | Red_Cloud | wols_ thanks |
| 00:32.04 | abrotman | i believe it can .. read the docs |
| 00:32.05 | abrotman | !tell Mazingaro about away |
| 00:32.06 | kspath | !away |
| 00:32.06 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 00:32.07 | le_neko | in the past i had swami with normal fonts |
| 00:32.14 | abrotman | Mazingaro: are you freaking stupid? |
| 00:32.17 | streuner | stew: why didn't dpkg tell us then? |
| 00:32.21 | Supaplex | !ops Mazingaro trolling the /away abuse |
| 00:32.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Mazingaro trolling the /away abuse |
| 00:32.22 | wols_ | Red_Cloud: sorry. haven't used CD installs in ages. always netinstalls :) |
| 00:32.23 | le_neko | i think it is because a missing font |
| 00:32.26 | kspath | !tell Mazingaro about away |
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| 00:32.36 | Supaplex | he's already been told |
| 00:32.42 | streuner | !volatile |
| 00:32.42 | dpkg | somebody said volatile was debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 00:32.42 | treyh0 | volatile, nice :) |
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| 00:32.54 | thingfish | and why is it that these people with their Away messages are never participating in any conversations? |
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| 00:33.03 | alex116 | hey, i have a confusing problem. I am using debian sarge. I have 2 ethernet ports eth0(192.168.1.85) and eth1(192.168.1.80) statically configured with my router. If I disconnect one plug, I can still ping ...85 and ...80 from another computer. If I unplug the other jack and plug the first one back in, I can't ping either of them, but I'm still connected to the internet. when I do netstat -n, I see ...80 doing all the connections, but I can't ping |
| 00:33.04 | Ts0p | ok last night lilable helped me and we setup everything and i was able to use the net , but b4 i go to bed i did apt-get update then i get hostap |
| 00:33.06 | Red_Cloud | wols_ wish that I had installed my OS in that manner. But I was totally ignorant and am continuing the tradition |
| 00:33.06 | christor_ | gevaerts: using alsaconf it find 2 card |
| 00:33.07 | streuner | it isn't in the factoid... |
| 00:33.09 | TigerTjader | when I give the command to burn the image the gnomebaker crashes |
| 00:33.10 | wols_ | thingfish: cause they are away, duh! |
| 00:33.25 | thingfish | no excuse. |
| 00:33.32 | Ts0p | then i reboot and when i turn back on it can't even find my card when i do ifconfig |
| 00:33.52 | jonas21 | alex116, having 2 interfaces with the same netmask can get confusing |
| 00:33.58 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 00:34.05 | kspath | thingfish: incapable of managing their irc client and incapable of assisting others with anything on or off topic quiet possibly. |
| 00:34.14 | le_neko | i think swami run with gtk |
| 00:34.14 | gevaerts | christor_: what does it find ? |
| 00:34.15 | kspath | quite |
| 00:34.26 | le_neko | where could i fix default gtk fonts ? |
| 00:34.36 | jonas21 | both of your interfaces can access the default route |
| 00:34.43 | Ts0p | anyone can help me plz |
| 00:34.48 | Eulex | !gtk font size |
| 00:34.48 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and gtk-theme-switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 00:34.59 | Eulex | le_neko, as you've already been told ^^ |
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| 00:35.00 | christor_ | gevaerts: it find opl3sa2 but at the update-modules I have an error |
| 00:35.06 | alex116 | jonas21 default route being router at 192.168.1.1 then yes |
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| 00:35.09 | le_neko | okey |
| 00:35.13 | le_neko | thanks ! |
| 00:35.13 | BullWeivel | stupid question... i have root access...how can i change a users password ??? |
| 00:35.20 | abrotman | man passwd |
| 00:35.25 | yggdrasil | hello, im using unstable and im wonderingf how can i keep a driver from loading up at boot... |
| 00:35.32 | Ts0p | abrotman passwd |
| 00:35.38 | le_neko | where could i get gtk-theme-switch ? |
| 00:35.44 | abrotman | Ts0p: that's what i said |
| 00:35.46 | yggdrasil | i put it into /etc/modprobe/blaklist but its still being loaded |
| 00:35.53 | streuner | !tell le_neko about search |
| 00:35.53 | stew | Ts0p: were you using hostap when it was workign or something else? |
| 00:35.56 | Eulex | le_neko, it's in a package somewhere. /msg dpkg search |
| 00:36.02 | noen | yggdrasil, /etc/modules |
| 00:36.07 | yggdrasil | hmm ok |
| 00:36.08 | alex116 | jonas21 btw, thats how I am connected right now. |
| 00:36.27 | Ts0p | stew something else |
| 00:36.40 | Eulex | yggdrasil, you mean /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, right? |
| 00:36.42 | yggdrasil | thanks neon |
| 00:36.47 | stew | Ts0p: what were you using then? is that module loaded? is the hostap module loaded? |
| 00:36.48 | yggdrasil | euliex yes sorry |
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| 00:36.56 | BullWeivel | abrotman: i tried passwd username and that didn't work..it changed the password for root :( |
| 00:37.08 | diesel | !2006 key |
| 00:37.09 | dpkg | well, 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 00:37.13 | kspath | Ts0p: please keep notes of what you are working on so you can refer back to them. |
| 00:37.22 | Eulex | !nick completion |
| 00:37.22 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 00:37.22 | jerome | I had this funny problem this afternoon, with eth0 aliases. I created a eth0:0 alias, configured statically in /etc/network/interfaces while eth0 was dynamic. After some tests, I idown'd the interfaces remove eth0:0 conf from /etc/network/interfaces and then /etc/init.d/networking restart. And eth0:0 was up and configured as previously again :/ |
| 00:37.26 | Eulex | yggdrasil, ^^ |
| 00:37.42 | gevaerts | christor: does modprobe opl3sa2 or modprobe snd-opl3sa2.ko work (first is oss, second is alsa) ? |
| 00:37.52 | Ts0p | stew in my /etc/network/interface...i only have auto lo and iface lo intel loopback and mapping hotplug script grep map eth1 |
| 00:38.14 | Ts0p | kspath i will this time |
| 00:38.16 | Eulex | gevaerts, umh, you don't modprobe files. you modprobe module names. s/.ko// |
| 00:38.43 | Eulex | umh, s/\.ko// |
| 00:38.46 | gevaerts | Eulex: of course. copy/paste error |
| 00:38.48 | christor_ | gevaerts: I have lauched the first modprobe and it s long ;s |
| 00:38.54 | Eulex | gevaerts, ok |
| 00:39.12 | Juz_moi | what is the command to dump the files that were downloaded with a apt-get upgrade ? |
| 00:39.42 | streuner | Juz_moi: 'dump'? |
| 00:39.43 | christor_ | gevaerts: the module are already loaded |
| 00:39.54 | Juz_moi | remove from the hard drive |
| 00:39.56 | christor_ | gevaerts: and I have always the same error |
| 00:39.57 | raf256[laptop] | if I'm on a debian unstable and I have fresh friends HDD on /mnt/friend how to install debian there? |
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| 00:40.05 | dvs | hallo |
| 00:40.06 | streuner | Juz_moi: man apt-get |
| 00:40.11 | Eulex | Juz_moi, they are in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 00:40.18 | gevaerts | christor_: can you run dmesg in another window ? |
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| 00:40.23 | Eulex | Juz_moi, ah, sorry, ignore me |
| 00:40.28 | Juz_moi | ah ok was thinking it was that or dpkg ? |
| 00:40.28 | Ts0p | stew so what shall i do |
| 00:40.35 | Eulex | christor_, what sound card? |
| 00:40.43 | streuner | Juz_moi: no |
| 00:40.44 | kspath | thingfish: What is wrong with Barilla? |
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| 00:41.04 | kspath | thingfish: now a good sauce/gravy that is the good stuff |
| 00:41.05 | streuner | Juz_moi: man apt-get |
| 00:41.05 | christor_ | Eulex: opl3sa2 |
| 00:41.09 | BullWeivel | okay... if i login as root.. then so "su username" then do passwd i should be changing the users password right? it shouldnt be asking me for current password right ?? |
| 00:41.14 | thingfish | kspath: barilla is OK. But your question betrays the fact that you have never made or eaten homemade pasta. |
| 00:41.15 | alex116 | raf256[laptop] if im not mistaken you have to "somehow" point your apt sources to that folder and do apt distupgrade or something of that sort. I think it is described on the debian webpage about how to install or upgrade debian |
| 00:41.18 | Eulex | christor_, that's a chipset, not a sound card |
| 00:41.45 | Juz_moi | will as soon as the download/upgrade completes on that box |
| 00:41.48 | thingfish | kspath: there is simply no comparison. |
| 00:41.53 | jerome | raf256[laptop]: use debootstrap |
| 00:41.56 | wols_ | christor_: SB16? |
| 00:41.57 | kspath | thingfish: I have and it was good but I do not know anything that is unlazy enough to make fresh properly |
| 00:42.02 | Eulex | christor_, more specifically, it's an ancient fm synth chip. it doesn't play pcm/wave. |
| 00:42.02 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:42.08 | eeyore- | my weight is directly attributable to my wife's yummy cooking :-) |
| 00:42.10 | streuner | Juz_moi: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 00:42.17 | stew | Ts0p: 'i only have auto lo and iface lo intel loopback and mapping hotplug script grep map eth1' can you just show us your interfaces file, becuase we can't understand that |
| 00:42.29 | thingfish | yeah really, I shouldn't talk...I eat dried pasta (cooked, of course) all the time. |
| 00:42.38 | Juz_moi | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.43 | Juz_moi | hmmm |
| 00:42.47 | stew | Ts0p: use a pastebin, and while you're at it, paste the output of lsmod |
| 00:42.50 | christor_ | Eulex: I have no other info |
| 00:42.52 | streuner | dpkg sid faq |
| 00:42.52 | dpkg | sid faq is, like, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 00:42.59 | christor_ | Eulex: this info is given me but the alsaconf |
| 00:43.02 | thingfish | bucatini are my favorite. |
| 00:43.05 | kspath | thingfish: when I am REALLY hungry I end up eating some dried pasta also :-) |
| 00:43.14 | christor_ | Eulex: it s an old DELL P2 333 |
| 00:43.14 | thingfish | tsk |
| 00:43.16 | wols_ | christor_: what computer is it? really old one? |
| 00:43.29 | geoffb | question: I have been updating a neglected workstation (running testing + bits of unstable). I think I have almost everything upgraded, at least enough to make APT happy, except for one final conflict: udev versus hal. I'm not sure the correct course of action at this point. Anyone know where to look for enlightenment on this? |
| 00:43.29 | Eulex | christor_, is it by any chance a latitude cpi or cp? |
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| 00:43.42 | thingfish | eating dried pasta will bind you up something powerful. |
| 00:43.43 | Ts0p | stew i can't coz my it's on my laptop and my laptop doesn't ve inter connection |
| 00:43.45 | eeyore- | that's ok, opl3sa2 is supported under linux. i used to have a laptop with that chipset. worked fine. |
| 00:43.57 | kspath | thingfish: When you said fresh I thought you meant fresh as in minutes old before hitting water... |
| 00:44.06 | eeyore- | yamaha chipset, that one |
| 00:44.20 | eeyore- | i think. if i remember correctly. |
| 00:44.32 | raf256[laptop] | I'm developing a commercial program, and I thought of creating easy to install on debian .deb file.. any sugestions? |
| 00:44.34 | thingfish | kspath: that is what I mean. you mix eggs, oil, and flour together, knead it a bunch, then roll it out and cut it into shapes. |
| 00:44.35 | christor_ | Eulex: no it s a personnal computer dell dimension XPS D333 |
| 00:44.42 | stew | Ts0p: what module were you using when it was working? is it loaded? is the hostap module loaded? |
| 00:44.48 | Red_Cloud | To change from sarge to etch, do I edit sources.list for both locations: |
| 00:44.50 | christor_ | this is not a laptop |
| 00:44.53 | Red_Cloud | deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch-proposed-updates/security-updates main contrib non-free |
| 00:44.55 | Red_Cloud | deb-src http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch-proposed-updates/security-updates main contrib non-free |
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| 00:45.14 | Ts0p | stew i don't know it was working when i installed debail yesturday |
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| 00:45.24 | kspath | thingfish: ok, I am tired and need caffiene or sleep |
| 00:45.31 | Eulex | christor_, ah, ok. get pcmcia-cs (on stable) or pnpbios-tools (on testing/unstable) |
| 00:45.39 | hyperstream | is there anyway to like make firefox my default browser for xchat? |
| 00:45.53 | alex116 | use gaim |
| 00:45.54 | christor_ | Eulex: this is NOT a laptop ( no pcmcia) |
| 00:45.58 | stew | Ts0p: what is debail? |
| 00:46.10 | Ts0p | debain |
| 00:46.14 | Ts0p | sorry |
| 00:46.18 | kspath | alex116: you meant naim? |
| 00:46.22 | alex116 | no |
| 00:46.31 | alex116 | gaim.sourceforge.net |
| 00:46.33 | kspath | alex116: you meant centericq? |
| 00:46.50 | stew | Ts0p: does "lsmod | grep hostap" return a match? |
| 00:46.58 | alex116 | i can't see your face so i dont know if you're screwing with me :) |
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| 00:47.11 | Eulex | christor_, well, the program that is needed is in that package, and it hasn't got anything to do with pcmcia. don't ask me why they put it there. |
| 00:47.25 | christor_ | Eulex: ok lol sorry |
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| 00:47.40 | Ts0p | stew No |
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| 00:47.52 | stew | Ts0p: what chipset does your card have? |
| 00:47.53 | christor_ | Eulex: but I have to download the pnp because testing version |
| 00:48.04 | Eulex | christor_, yes, do that |
| 00:48.26 | christor_ | Eulex: in progress ( 12ko/s ) :'( |
| 00:48.30 | kspath | thingfish: do you use sauce/gravy or just butter/olive oil ? |
| 00:48.34 | dvs | Doh! |
| 00:48.51 | Ts0p | stew Netgear 802.11b MA401 |
| 00:48.53 | christor_ | Eulex: yesyes it s exist again |
| 00:49.37 | stew | Ts0p: no i meant chipset, is it prism? |
| 00:49.46 | stew | Ts0p: and what does "uname -r" say? |
| 00:49.55 | Eulex | christor_, when it's done, run lspnp and look for anything that might be a sound card |
| 00:50.20 | christor_ | ok |
| 00:50.21 | Ts0p | stew no i think it's orinoco thats what liable said last night |
| 00:50.32 | geoffb | With packages.d.o down, where can I get package changelogs? pdo.debian.net 404's them. |
| 00:50.47 | Ts0p | stew my kernel is 2.6.8.2.386 |
| 00:50.50 | stew | cafuego: doh. too much pr0n? |
| 00:50.51 | Eulex | geoffb, apt-listchanges? |
| 00:50.57 | jetscreamer | when is ubuntoe going to lose the deb http://sourcepackageplace and go with ubu http://blahblah |
| 00:51.02 | stew | Ts0p: is it a pcmcia card? or pci? |
| 00:51.09 | treyh0 | does chroot slow down something that's running inside of it? |
| 00:51.11 | jetscreamer | in /etc/apt/sources.list i mean |
| 00:51.20 | Eulex | jetscreamer, #ubuntu :) |
| 00:51.21 | geoffb | Eulex, OK, I'll try installing that, thx |
| 00:51.27 | Ts0p | stew pcmcia |
| 00:51.28 | cafuego | stew: No pr0n |
| 00:51.49 | cafuego | stew: Even if there were pr0n, it would be unmetered |
| 00:51.56 | jetscreamer | Eulex: my point is when is the word debian going to 'not' be in there :) |
| 00:51.59 | gnufan | Is there a module/feature for uploading files to download - ala PDF? |
| 00:52.08 | stew | Ts0p: try "modprobe orinico_cs" |
| 00:52.17 | gnufan | Oops wrong channel |
| 00:52.30 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: enable logging in your irc client :) |
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| 00:52.39 | alex116 | what service do I need to restart to have my ethernet cards use my new settings? |
| 00:52.53 | stew | alex116: networking |
| 00:52.55 | Eulex | jetscreamer, hehe :) would spawn a generation of ubuntubians saying "got any nice ubus???++ lol" |
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| 00:53.06 | Ts0p | stew module is not found |
| 00:53.08 | alex116 | stew great answer. any process in specific? |
| 00:53.12 | Ts0p | jetscreamer how? |
| 00:53.25 | alex116 | other than inetd because that didn't seem to do it |
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| 00:53.51 | dvs | alex116: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 00:54.11 | jetscreamer | Ts0p: i dunno. i'm not even sure what client you're using |
| 00:54.33 | christor_ | Eulex: lspnp give me only a ATStyle speaker sound |
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| 00:54.39 | stew | Ts0p: what *exactly* does uname -r say? |
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| 00:54.55 | Eulex | christor_, hmm, that's not it :) |
| 00:55.05 | matadon | Anyone know the proper incantation for ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 to allow *only* for port-forwarding? |
| 00:55.12 | Ts0p | 2.6.8-2-386 thats what i get |
| 00:55.17 | gevaerts | christor_: google tells me your card is probably some sb awe thing, so snd-sbawe should work |
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| 00:55.33 | gevaerts | christor_: maybe sound is disabled in the bios setup ? |
| 00:55.46 | Eulex | christor_, http://www.soundcard-drivers.com/drivers/69/69013.htm !!!! |
| 00:55.51 | stew | Ts0p: oh, try "modprobe orinoco_cs" sorry, mistyped it before |
| 00:56.02 | Eulex | christor_, awe 64 |
| 00:56.17 | Ts0p | stew nothing happen |
| 00:56.28 | jetscreamer | lsmod |
| 00:56.29 | dvs | Ts0p: That's good |
| 00:56.44 | stew | Ts0p: that's good. now try "iwconfig" and see if an interface shows up |
| 00:57.04 | Ts0p | stew nope |
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| 00:57.27 | pabl0 | hi, is there any env variable that lets me change the /tmp dir? I'm compiling something and I'd like to have /home/foo/tmp instead of /tmp |
| 00:57.42 | kspath | Ts0p: Are you writing down the commands? take notes it will help you now and in future. |
| 00:57.47 | Eulex | christor_, try modprobe snd-sbawe. if that doesn't work, you'll need to specify the options as written on http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+64+Value.&chip=sb16%2C+emu8000&module=sbawe |
| 00:57.53 | Ts0p | kspath yes i am |
| 00:58.10 | Ts0p | kspath thanks for reminding me ;) good looking |
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| 00:58.50 | gevaerts | pabl0: does $TMP work ? |
| 00:58.55 | stew | Ts0p: then it sounds like you don't have an orinoco |
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| 01:00.20 | christor_ | Eulex: ok the snd-sbawe is loaded |
| 01:00.27 | dvs | yay! |
| 01:00.34 | christor_ | but I have agin the same error |
| 01:00.46 | Eulex | christor_, what error? |
| 01:00.55 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | hi, my mysql daemon isn't running anymore, and cant start it with /etc/init.d/mysql how can i start it plz, cant find an error |
| 01:01.22 | dvs | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: Check the log. There must be something. |
| 01:01.53 | Red_Cloud | I have now changed to Etch distro and would like to know what d-d-a to which I should subscribe that would benefit me most in keeping up with the testing distro. Any suggestions? |
| 01:01.53 | christor_ | oss_audio: failed to open audio /dev/dsp |
| 01:01.56 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | which log.. cant find any info in /var/log |
| 01:02.09 | dvs | christor_: modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 01:02.12 | stew | yay, dinner time for stew |
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| 01:02.21 | Eulex | christor_, checked dmesg to see that the driver worked ok? |
| 01:03.24 | christor_ | wait I restart the machine to check bios |
| 01:03.46 | WildTuRkey | tarzeau?? how do i install the sarge 2.6.15 .jp |
| 01:03.53 | pabl0 | gevaerts, nno $TMP doesn't work |
| 01:03.56 | dvs | christor_: Not necessary |
| 01:04.02 | tarzeau | WildTuRkey: GOOGLE TEH SARGE 2.6.15 .JP |
| 01:04.09 | Ts0p | stew how would i find out what type the chipset is |
| 01:04.11 | WildTuRkey | i've got it |
| 01:04.17 | tarzeau | WildTuRkey: burn it onto cd? |
| 01:04.21 | thingfish | kspath: tomato sauce, in soups, in olive oil and parsley and parmesan cheese...however. |
| 01:04.22 | dvs | christor_: If the snd_sbawe modules loaded then you need the snd_pcm_oss module to use the /dev/dsp device |
| 01:04.25 | tarzeau | WildTuRkey: put the cd into the cd-rom drive |
| 01:04.27 | WildTuRkey | done that |
| 01:04.32 | christor_ | dvs: too late :( I had already restart i |
| 01:04.33 | tarzeau | WildTuRkey: press the computer to reboot the cd |
| 01:04.33 | WildTuRkey | done that too :) |
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| 01:04.41 | tarzeau | WildTuRkey: press enter many many times |
| 01:04.44 | christor_ | dvs: ok just waiting boot and I try |
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| 01:04.51 | WildTuRkey | but i won't boot up with it |
| 01:05.02 | tarzeau | WildTuRkey: fix your computer (bios settings?) |
| 01:05.17 | WildTuRkey | i have it boots with the cd |
| 01:05.39 | pabl0 | "cannot create temp file for here document: Permission denied". I know that the fast fix (if not only) is to chmod to 777 the /tmp directory, however I'm looking for another way, like to changing the dir (not being root) |
| 01:05.43 | Red_Cloud | christor, I have the same problem as you. What is your sound card? |
| 01:05.54 | christor_ | Red_Cloud: I can not see :s hehe |
| 01:05.59 | Eulex | Red_Cloud, he's got an ancient sb awe 64 |
| 01:06.01 | dvs | Red_Cloud: Sound Blaster AWE |
| 01:06.02 | christor_ | OVNI sound card |
| 01:06.17 | tarzeau | WildTuRkey: install windows |
| 01:06.23 | tarzeau | WildTuRkey: or sell the computer |
| 01:06.26 | WildTuRkey | lol |
| 01:06.31 | tarzeau | WildTuRkey: i mean it |
| 01:06.34 | WildTuRkey | how about no |
| 01:06.51 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | dvs find / -name mysqld should return something right? |
| 01:07.03 | Ts0p | stew:it is using orinocco driver check http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php/product/159/sort/2/cat/myprod/page/1 |
| 01:07.16 | ice_1963 | what is 2.6.15 jp? kernel :0) |
| 01:07.19 | dvs | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: No, that'll only find an entry called "mysqld" |
| 01:07.22 | Eulex | WildTuRkey, is it by any chance a crappy compaq that refuses to boot from any cd if you install a second cd burner? |
| 01:07.29 | tarzeau | ice_1963: it's a google search string |
| 01:07.33 | Eulex | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 01:07.34 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm |
| 01:07.36 | Red_Cloud | dvs, I have a Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03) |
| 01:07.38 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 01:07.40 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | well i execute /etc/init.d/mysql but no errors.. |
| 01:07.49 | tarzeau | !nickometer BFA|WoRsTeNBoY |
| 01:07.49 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | even no waring like start|restart|... |
| 01:07.51 | dpkg | 'BFA|WoRsTeNBoY' is 99.880% lame, tarzeau |
| 01:07.55 | dvs | Red_Cloud: That's probably a snd_emu10k1 |
| 01:07.57 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | omg :p |
| 01:08.01 | gevaerts | pabl0: what does "ls -ld /tmp" say ? It should be drwxrwxrwt |
| 01:08.02 | christor_ | oh now I have restarted and I can t do a modprobe snd_sbawe ( /lib/kernels//isa.../sbawe.ko no such file |
| 01:08.06 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | !nickometer tarzeau |
| 01:08.07 | dpkg | 'tarzeau' is 0.000% lame, bfa|worstenboy |
| 01:08.09 | Red_Cloud | dvs yes it it |
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| 01:08.21 | Eulex | !nickometer BFA|WoRsTeNBoY |
| 01:08.22 | dpkg | 'BFA|WoRsTeNBoY' is 99.880% lame, eulex |
| 01:08.24 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | !nickometer TaRzEaU |
| 01:08.25 | dpkg | 'TaRzEaU' is 14.000% lame, bfa|worstenboy |
| 01:08.27 | Eulex | lol |
| 01:08.32 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | lol breezer haters |
| 01:08.34 | pabl0 | gevaerts, yes it should, the silly sysadmin (root) by error changed the permissions :( |
| 01:08.34 | hyperstream | !nickometer HyperStream |
| 01:08.36 | dpkg | 'HyperStream' is 0.000% lame, hyperstream |
| 01:08.42 | hyperstream | wewt |
| 01:08.44 | le_neko | if made "echo $LOCALE" and it returns nothing, is it normal ? |
| 01:08.46 | _unstable | The rhythmbox developers told me that "quodlibet" could play whatever "gst" plays...so I want to try and play wma files with gst...to see if certain files will be supported by quodlibet |
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| 01:09.10 | Eulex | christor_, modprobe snd-sbawe, not sbawe |
| 01:09.14 | _unstable | How can I play files with gstreamer...what is the binary command..(I have 18 different gstreamer packages) |
| 01:09.16 | De_Mon | hrm.. I just upgraded libc6 in unstable and ldconfig says 'illegal operation' now |
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| 01:09.28 | gevaerts | pabl0: I'm afraid a lot of stuff won't work correctly as long as that isn't fixed |
| 01:09.32 | christor_ | Eulex: yes it was I did |
| 01:09.38 | Eulex | De_Mon, checked the bts? |
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| 01:09.56 | OfficeChair | I need to get gtkpbbuttons to run after I login via xdm. |
| 01:09.56 | Eulex | christor_, sbawe.ko != snd_sbawe.ko |
| 01:09.59 | pabl0 | gevaerts, mmm ok, I'll wait then. Thanks! |
| 01:10.01 | De_Mon | Eulex at this point I just want to downgrade and get a usable system |
| 01:10.08 | De_Mon | but, I can't |
| 01:10.15 | Azar | news: Creative lacks Linux support too http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29897 |
| 01:10.16 | Ts0p | stew are u still there? |
| 01:10.18 | Eulex | De_Mon, get one from sdn. /msg dpkg sdn |
| 01:10.23 | OfficeChair | Xdm won't use .xinitrc, what should I do? |
| 01:10.28 | christor_ | Eulex: I shortcut when I write on irc because the machine I can not copy paste |
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| 01:11.04 | yggdrasil | any help with getting svideo out working on an nvidia mx400 with xserver ? |
| 01:11.08 | Eulex | christor_, ah, ok. fyi, sound modules not beginning sith snd- or snd_ are oss modules. |
| 01:11.14 | darkcmd | does anyone know of a little box I can connect to my printer, that will connect it to my switch... so I can print via ipp, with windows and linux machines, to that one printer |
| 01:11.15 | geoffb | How can you find out *why* apt-get wants to remove a package? |
| 01:11.17 | yggdrasil | i did it in ubuntu by using a driver |
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| 01:11.23 | abrotman | yggdrasil: using the nvidia binary driver? |
| 01:11.25 | yggdrasil | "nvidia" not "nv" |
| 01:11.26 | Eulex | geoffb, apt-cache show? |
| 01:11.34 | yggdrasil | abrotman i dont know |
| 01:11.37 | yggdrasil | i just installed x |
| 01:11.44 | yggdrasil | where can iget nvidia bin driver ? |
| 01:11.46 | Eulex | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:11.46 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 01:11.50 | Eulex | yggdrasil, ^^ |
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| 01:12.00 | yggdrasil | thank you |
| 01:12.01 | dnanar | hi |
| 01:12.07 | christor_ | Eulex: so modprobe snd-sbawe : Error inserting snd_sbawe (/lib......ko) No such devices |
| 01:12.18 | OfficeChair | How do I get a command to execute upon logging in with XDM? |
| 01:12.32 | concept10 | Problem: I produce music on a Windoze install, most of my music samples are on my Debian server on the LAN on a FAT32 partition. What is the best way to share these files with the windows box? Samba? NFS? |
| 01:12.47 | darkcmd | samba |
| 01:12.47 | Eulex | christor_, ah, and there's a *huge* difference between "no such device" and "no such file" |
| 01:12.59 | geoffb | Eulex, actually apt-get wants to remove *several* packages, each of which has a pile of dependencies; is there an easier way than chasing each apt-cache show? |
| 01:13.00 | christor_ | Eulex: dmesg : SB16 soundcard not found or device busy |
| 01:13.04 | De_Mon | Eulex I've got the packages, but dpkg craps out |
| 01:13.15 | darkcmd | concept10: since most nfs protocol plugins for windows cost money |
| 01:13.18 | Eulex | christor_, you will need to set the options listed at http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+64+Value.&chip=sb16%2C+emu8000&module=sbawe |
| 01:13.23 | De_Mon | well, apt-get craps out |
| 01:13.32 | gevaerts | christor_: maybe the lspnp command did have some effect previously. Try running it again |
| 01:13.38 | concept10 | !samba |
| 01:13.38 | dpkg | well, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 01:13.46 | De_Mon | can I dpkg install it or extract to / to get around the installer |
| 01:13.49 | Eulex | De_Mon, define "craps out" |
| 01:13.53 | curt | OfficeChair, probably put a scipt to it in /etc/init.d |
| 01:13.58 | Ts0p | guys please help me |
| 01:14.01 | Eulex | De_Mon, you could always use --force-whatever |
| 01:14.04 | De_Mon | dpkg error illegal instruction ldconfig |
| 01:14.16 | Eulex | geoffb, sorry, no |
| 01:14.19 | darkcmd | so does anyone know what to do about my little problem? |
| 01:14.20 | christor_ | Eulex: yes sorry |
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| 01:14.30 | De_Mon | there's several packages trying to be uninstalled |
| 01:14.30 | christor_ | gevaerts: no always the same thing |
| 01:14.31 | geoffb | Eulex, bah, suckage. Thanks for the info, tho. |
| 01:14.40 | concept10 | gott damn I wish debian had a central wiki with install directions |
| 01:14.51 | Eulex | christor_, nothing to be sorry about |
| 01:14.57 | De_Mon | oh damn |
| 01:15.00 | De_Mon | -f worked :) |
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| 01:15.33 | christor_ | Eulex: sorry about the file instead of the device |
| 01:16.00 | Eulex | christor_, it's ok :) |
| 01:16.13 | clypt0 | brazil? |
| 01:16.17 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS!!! |
| 01:16.18 | Eulex | !br |
| 01:16.18 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:16.20 | bbrazil | !br |
| 01:16.23 | Eulex | :P |
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| 01:16.26 | abrotman | yonkeltron: too late |
| 01:16.34 | Seven_Six_Two | I bought a highpoint rocket 100 ide controller, and I just noticed I only have up to 2.4.27 kernel sources available, but I'm using 2.6.12-1-k7 kernel...that is no fun for having to build the driver by ahnd |
| 01:16.37 | yonkeltron | abrotman: west coast dude |
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| 01:16.41 | GoAuLd | which is the latest xorg version in sid? |
| 01:16.44 | gevaerts | christor_: You loaded also loaded snd-opl3sa2 before. Does that make a difference ? |
| 01:16.45 | abrotman | yonkeltron: whose fault is that? |
| 01:16.55 | Eulex | GoAuLd, 6.9.0 |
| 01:16.55 | abrotman | GoAuLd: the same one i told you this morning |
| 01:17.02 | GoAuLd | xD |
| 01:17.05 | GoAuLd | yet |
| 01:17.06 | gevaerts | christor_: maybe the card wants a cold boot instead of a reboot ? |
| 01:17.20 | christor_ | gevaerts: I m trying thazt |
| 01:17.27 | Eulex | GoAuLd, it *will* take some time before 7.0 gets into unstable |
| 01:17.35 | gevaerts | christor_: just some wild guesses... |
| 01:17.46 | Ts0p | when i do if down then ifup i get failed to bring up eth1 |
| 01:17.53 | Seven_Six_Two | I can't even get my system to boot with it installed... it freezes after i select my kernel and it shows pio mode and dma on for the 2 channles. |
| 01:17.53 | GoAuLd | all right |
| 01:18.18 | Eulex | christor_, my guess is that you need to specify port, irq, dma channels, such stuff as options to the modrobe line. modinfo snd_sbawe to see all options. |
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| 01:18.28 | christor_ | but 3 years I need to boot the machine ( 1h in the bios+ 1heure to start linux +1h to lauch the xdm ) |
| 01:18.44 | gevaerts | Eulex: why didn't the modprobe fail before the reboot then ? |
| 01:18.54 | christor_ | Eulex: huhu we come back in the past to play doom |
| 01:18.56 | christor_ | lol |
| 01:19.34 | christor_ | so please I m rebooting what I have to do in the order? |
| 01:19.38 | Eulex | gevaerts, I don't know. maybe he ran it in X, then some errors won't be printed to the terminal. |
| 01:19.42 | Eulex | christor_, ? |
| 01:19.44 | christor_ | I try mod-probe snd-sbawe |
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| 01:19.57 | dvs | modprobe |
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| 01:20.05 | christor_ | what I have to do now |
| 01:20.25 | Eulex | gevaerts, also, for such old sb's you need to specify io ports, irq and dma and a few other things to make them work. |
| 01:20.30 | Ts0p | please guy |
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| 01:20.44 | yggdrasil | abrotman thanks.. in eed to rebuild my kernel first ;( |
| 01:20.44 | gevaerts | Eulex: yes, unless you get lucky with the default values. |
| 01:20.53 | abrotman | yggdrasil: why? |
| 01:21.05 | yggdrasil | had nv framebuffer support in it or something |
| 01:21.09 | yggdrasil | was a conflict |
| 01:21.10 | abrotman | uhm ok |
| 01:21.13 | clypt0 | brasil |
| 01:21.14 | Eulex | gevaerts, ok, didn't know it had defaults |
| 01:21.14 | Azar | tarzeau I wonder why chromium is not working on my machine.. |
| 01:21.15 | yggdrasil | thats what i said |
| 01:21.19 | christor_ | Eulex: where I have to put this info? |
| 01:21.34 | concept10 | christor_, whenever you get done with what you are doing, install bootchart and visualize and get to work optimizing your boot process |
| 01:21.38 | Azar | same symptoms as with egoboo, keyboard/mouse non responsive |
| 01:21.46 | tarzeau | Azar: the shooter? |
| 01:21.47 | Eulex | christor_, as arguments to the modprobe. modprobe snd_sbawe foo=bar |
| 01:21.59 | Eulex | Azar, X driver? |
| 01:22.09 | Azar | Eulex but all other games work ok |
| 01:22.12 | war92 | With KDE 3.5, the window/pager keeps moving around and sometimes I also accident "drag" a window in the pager somewhere else, it is driving me up the wall! How do I turn this off? I want the pager to stay in the same place no matter what and I don't want to be able to drag icons (windows) around within the pager, is this possible? |
| 01:22.40 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
| 01:22.40 | Azar | tarzeau no an animated arcade |
| 01:22.51 | hyperstream | whats the location of my alsa mixer. like /dev/mixer ? |
| 01:23.02 | Eulex | Azar, do other fullscreen opengl games work ok? |
| 01:23.09 | christor_ | oh I running again an alsaconf and magic |
| 01:23.11 | yggdrasil | abrotman then when this is done can i use "nvidia" as my driver in xorg.conf ? |
| 01:23.14 | Azar | it is frustrating when games are not having specs like : kde and/or gnome requirement |
| 01:23.14 | tarzeau | Azar: yeah i think i know it |
| 01:23.15 | christor_ | it works |
| 01:23.30 | Eulex | christor_, it does? congrats! what did it load? |
| 01:23.32 | De_Mon | ah hell, I tried again with the same package and -f didn't work this time :( |
| 01:23.33 | gevaerts | christor_: congratulations |
| 01:23.37 | Azar | Eulex yes, for example the Penguin Commander or Enigma full screen are ok |
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| 01:23.47 | Eulex | Azar, ok. |
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| 01:24.12 | Azar | my guess both , egoboo and chromium should not be offered in "stable" if they are not working ok |
| 01:24.18 | OfficeChair | Can't find what script to modify so gtkpbbuttons will run after I log in (XDM). |
| 01:24.36 | christor_ | ohla it load a lot of things:s |
| 01:24.47 | Azar | tarzeau try toppler, cool game |
| 01:25.09 | christor_ | opl3sa2 + pcm_oss + mpu401 +cs4231 |
| 01:25.26 | ice_1963 | is there a #Debian-Gnome? |
| 01:25.27 | Eulex | christor_, so you didn't have an sb awe? that explains a lot |
| 01:25.40 | Eulex | OfficeChair, try /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 01:25.42 | christor_ | Eulex: dunno |
| 01:26.21 | abrotman | ice_1963: kind of .. look on irc.gnome.org |
| 01:26.24 | Eulex | christor_, well, cs4231 is a crystal semiconductors 4231, not even a creative soundcard :) |
| 01:27.00 | OfficeChair | Eulex: Thanks. |
| 01:27.07 | gevaerts | Eulex: the wonderful world of ISA soundcards... |
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| 01:27.20 | christor_ | okok |
| 01:27.24 | Stevie | We used to have a PAS16 sound card |
| 01:27.25 | ice_1963 | abrotman: that's ok |
| 01:27.34 | Eulex | gevaerts, exactly :) |
| 01:27.39 | Stevie | one of the first ISA cards with software-programmable IRQ settings |
| 01:27.49 | tarzeau | Azar: i've played the original |
| 01:27.55 | OfficeChair | Why does rebooting Linux always make my ibook's fan come on? |
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| 01:28.06 | gevaerts | if it doesn't have jumpers, I don't want it |
| 01:28.14 | Stevie | gevaerts: Oh, there were jumpers. |
| 01:28.24 | Stevie | It had a specialized SCSI CD-ROM drive |
| 01:28.27 | Azar | tarzeau :) I just installed it |
| 01:28.37 | OfficeChair | gevaerts: Jumpers are the old way to configure hardware. Now it is all done in software. :) |
| 01:28.41 | Eulex | OfficeChair, because cpu throttling is disabled? |
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| 01:28.47 | |Dave| | http://sourceforge.net/projects/ncoda |
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| 01:28.50 | OfficeChair | Eulex: Maybe. |
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| 01:28.57 | abrotman | ice_1963: i just told you where it was |
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| 01:29.03 | saad3000 | hello, how do I kill a Z proccess |
| 01:29.05 | saad3000 | ? |
| 01:29.09 | Eulex | OfficeChair, same thing is seen here on my i6000. |
| 01:29.28 | Eulex | saad3000, a zombie? you can't. find and kill the parent process. |
| 01:29.35 | De_Mon | oh well, I'll just rebuild. |
| 01:29.59 | saad3000 | Eulex: could you tell me the ps command that shows the parent process? |
| 01:30.16 | Stevie | you could try pstree -p -h <pid> |
| 01:30.24 | Eulex | saad3000, ^^ |
| 01:30.34 | saad3000 | kthanx Stevie Eulex |
| 01:30.35 | kspath | Eulex: unless it is init? ;-) |
| 01:30.35 | Stevie | Or you could try... control caret? |
| 01:30.49 | Stevie | killing init is not advised. |
| 01:30.50 | Eulex | kspath, well, then he's fucked. |
| 01:31.02 | ice_1963 | abrotman: i know you did |
| 01:31.23 | Eulex | I don't think you can kill init, btw. I think I tried once. even -9 didn't do a thing. |
| 01:31.38 | Stevie | I once knew a guy who rooted an unpatched RH box on a very fast connection |
| 01:31.38 | Stevie | I told him to kill -9 -1 |
| 01:31.38 | Ts0p | would anyone help me with my PCMCIA NETGEAR MA401 |
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| 01:31.43 | Stevie | he was pissed at me after that |
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| 01:31.56 | saad3000 | Eulex: it has no parent. probably it is the parent lol |
| 01:32.02 | OfficeChair | Ts0p: State your problem. |
| 01:32.08 | tictac | hmm. im having an issue with debian keys. ive updated the key, however when i run debmirror i still get errors |
| 01:32.08 | Eulex | saad3000, hmm |
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| 01:32.17 | tictac | gpg: Signature made Thu Feb 23 15:14:17 2006 CST using DSA key ID 2D230C5F |
| 01:32.18 | Ts0p | OfficeChair can't get it to work |
| 01:32.19 | tictac | gpg: BAD signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" |
| 01:32.21 | thingfish | !tell Ts0p about ask |
| 01:32.43 | OfficeChair | thingfish: Thanks. |
| 01:32.57 | kspath | I like those ThinkGeek <child process> baby jumpers |
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| 01:33.31 | ebw_sqhl | what is the server for kernel compilation questions? |
| 01:33.40 | tictac | hmm. ive updated the date on my box (it was considerably off), however now im getting this.. |
| 01:33.44 | Ts0p | OfficeChair so are you going to be able to help or u will just leave like others |
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| 01:33.52 | tictac | Won't mirror without dists/sid/main/binary-1386/Packages.gz signature in Release at /usr/bin/debmirror line 1300. |
| 01:34.14 | hyperstream | why cant linux let multiplue applications use sound at once? |
| 01:34.26 | dvs | hyperstream: it can |
| 01:34.29 | OfficeChair | hyperstream: You can |
| 01:34.31 | thingfish | hyperstream: it can. |
| 01:34.34 | dvs | she can |
| 01:34.35 | Eulex | hyperstream, it does, if you don't use uber-crappy oss |
| 01:34.36 | hyperstream | hmm |
| 01:34.38 | OfficeChair | hyperstream: You need a sound daemon |
| 01:34.43 | hyperstream | i use alsa ? |
| 01:34.43 | Eulex | OfficeChair, he doesn't |
| 01:34.45 | thingfish | it's your nasty onboard sound chip that won't let you do it. |
| 01:34.53 | dvs | hyperstream: Do your apps use alsa? |
| 01:34.58 | hyperstream | yes |
| 01:35.03 | hyperstream | xmms and mythtv |
| 01:35.05 | Azar | Ts0p, wireless? |
| 01:35.07 | hyperstream | both use alsa |
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| 01:35.11 | Eulex | thingfish, no, alsa will do mixing in software if possible. |
| 01:35.13 | Ts0p | Azar yes |
| 01:35.15 | OfficeChair | thingfish: There isn't anything wrong with onboard sound. |
| 01:35.24 | Eulex | hyperstream, and you're sure that you've actually set them to use alsa? |
| 01:35.34 | OfficeChair | thingfish: It is affordable, convenient, and works well with laptops. |
| 01:35.38 | hyperstream | yes i have to add it to the configure line |
| 01:35.44 | hyperstream | and selected the alsa output plugin |
| 01:35.45 | Eulex | thingfish, *if needed |
| 01:35.51 | hyperstream | i didnt compile my kernel with oss |
| 01:36.03 | thingfish | I stand corrected. Although somewhat under protest. |
| 01:36.14 | Ts0p | Azar can you help? |
| 01:36.16 | Stevie | I sit corrected |
| 01:36.19 | kspath | thingfish: sit down? |
| 01:36.20 | hyperstream | people ill brb |
| 01:36.22 | hyperstream | reboot |
| 01:36.34 | thingfish | oh you people and your literal interpretations. |
| 01:36.39 | thingfish | ;) |
| 01:36.55 | kspath | thingfish: no really your sit0 is down |
| 01:36.56 | thingfish | you all obviously need more to drink. |
| 01:36.59 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:37.32 | thingfish | yes it is, actually - I'm sitting here crosslegged. |
| 01:37.33 | dvs | thingfish: I think they all had enough |
| 01:37.54 | thingfish | dvs: maybe that's the problem, yes. |
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| 01:38.14 | thingfish | I know it could certainly be contributing to my current baffled state. |
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| 01:38.50 | Stevie | wait, sit0? that sounds familiar |
| 01:38.56 | Stevie | isn't that some sort of tunneling iface? |
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| 01:39.43 | Eulex | Stevie, ifconfig -a |
| 01:39.49 | thingfish | damn. I used to work out, and now I have just turned to shit. |
| 01:39.58 | Azar | Ts0p, what model is your laptop? |
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| 01:40.15 | Stevie | which comes dangerously close to 'crossing the streams' |
| 01:40.22 | Ts0p | Azar hp pavilion zt1230 |
| 01:40.25 | Azar | Ts0p I am looking for a specifig howto for you |
| 01:40.28 | Azar | ok |
| 01:40.30 | Stevie | ts0p, what is it this time? |
| 01:40.46 | Habakuk_ | hi anyone familiar with ipvsadmin + ldirectord? |
| 01:40.47 | Stevie | oh |
| 01:40.48 | Stevie | wireless |
| 01:40.53 | Eulex | Ts0p, (1) find out what chipset you have (2) find a driver for it |
| 01:41.13 | Stevie | i'm not familiar with either of those, Habakuk_. In fact, I've never heard of them. What are they? |
| 01:41.30 | dvs | Ts0p: lspic | grep Audio |
| 01:41.45 | juanchotazo | is the port to Xorg 7 done yet in sid? |
| 01:41.49 | dvs | Ts0p: lspci | grep audio |
| 01:42.08 | Ts0p | Netgear MA401 (orioco).Dbain 2.6.8-2-386 can't get it to work |
| 01:42.09 | Stevie | Xorg 7 sounds like the name of an evil alien |
| 01:42.15 | Ts0p | dvs audio |
| 01:42.19 | Stevie | or an evil alien race |
| 01:42.35 | dvs | Ts0p: Oh? You're working with your network card. Sorry. |
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| 01:42.41 | Stevie | "CAPTAIN! THE XORG 7 ARE ATTACKING!" |
| 01:42.42 | kspath | imbibe not inbibe gawd need sleep |
| 01:42.52 | Stevie | dvs: a PCMCIA network card, no less |
| 01:42.57 | dvs | Stevie: You will be pixelated!!! |
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| 01:43.12 | Eulex | Stevie, you're thinking of Zerg? :) |
| 01:43.23 | Eulex | dvs, and laminated :) |
| 01:43.34 | dvs | Eulex: Never duplicated. ;-) |
| 01:43.57 | Stevie | That's the 2010 version of Debian |
| 01:44.02 | Stevie | Zerg (Zurg?) |
| 01:44.03 | Ts0p | Stevie it was working fine last night i did apt-get update , then get hostap and rebooted now it's not working |
| 01:44.25 | Stevie | Dunno |
| 01:44.40 | kspath | !dalek |
| 01:45.18 | thingfish | dr who is just so gross. |
| 01:45.30 | dvs | thingfish: But it's soooooooo funny |
| 01:45.31 | thingfish | I mean, come on, what's with the scarf> |
| 01:45.44 | Eulex | !zerg |
| 01:45.47 | kspath | thingfish: oh no you did not say that! |
| 01:45.47 | dvs | thingfish: he doesn't wear a scarf anymore |
| 01:45.48 | Ts0p | guys i've been setting here since 10 olclock in the morning it's 5:45pm now , every time someone start asking me question then leave or once it get hard for them they ask me to read ....... what is the deal |
| 01:46.07 | thingfish | and that hair is so flyaway. |
| 01:46.08 | Eulex | dpkg, zerg is icky aliens from starcraft |
| 01:46.08 | dpkg | okay, Eulex |
| 01:46.27 | kspath | thingfish: Tom Baker Dr. Who uber alles |
| 01:46.31 | dvs | thingfish: That's so old. What's his name? Baker? |
| 01:46.33 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 01:47.02 | kspath | thingfish: The Fourth Doctor! |
| 01:47.06 | Eulex | Ts0p, maybe try to find out something on your own? |
| 01:47.24 | bbrazil | Ts0p: if you can't get help here, try the debian-user mailing list |
| 01:47.24 | thingfish | I don't watch such pseudo-sci-fi. |
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| 01:47.58 | kspath | thingfish: much of anything pretending to be Science on TV is pseudo-sci-fi |
| 01:48.00 | thingfish | well, I do, actually. |
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| 01:48.05 | yggdrasil | The changelog says we are creating 2.6.16-rc4.022406.1 |
| 01:48.05 | yggdrasil | However, I thought the version is 2.6.16-rc4.022406.2 |
| 01:48.06 | spikebike | and the real sci-fi is? |
| 01:48.13 | yggdrasil | anyone make something out of that ? |
| 01:48.22 | yggdrasil | i allready made .1 today |
| 01:48.34 | thingfish | 2001 a space odyssey is the only true sci-fi film. |
| 01:48.50 | dvs | thingfish: "You can't say that, thingfish" |
| 01:48.50 | linoleum | hi guysn just one question very easy : on debian sid, how to install the gnome desktop with all the option and recommanded sofware?? apt-get install gnome?? or something else? |
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| 01:49.00 | kspath | thingfish: that was good but 2010 was ok there were others though |
| 01:49.04 | thingfish | it's self-evidently true. |
| 01:49.10 | thingfish | the book 2010 was good. |
| 01:49.24 | thingfish | but 2001 is in a class by itself. |
| 01:49.26 | kspath | thingfish: Space1999 |
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| 01:49.34 | thingfish | the first impressionist sci-fi film. |
| 01:49.35 | yggdrasil | spaceballs |
| 01:49.44 | dvs | yggdrasil: Pffffffffft! |
| 01:49.48 | jml6 | can anyone tell me why my sound works fine, yet there is no /dev/dsp in my etch install? Just about everything works, but I cannot record since gnome sound recorder uses /dev/dsp. |
| 01:49.50 | yggdrasil | i ogt it |
| 01:49.53 | kspath | thingfish: I can not believe Space1999 is not even to be found ANYWHERE |
| 01:49.54 | yggdrasil | make kpkg clean ? |
| 01:50.08 | svref | How do I break a huge (20GB) file into ~1GB chunks? |
| 01:50.09 | dvs | jml6: Never loaded snd_pcm_oss |
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| 01:50.24 | Eulex | svref, split? |
| 01:50.27 | thingfish | kspath: that's 'cause martin landau ruined it. couldn't overcome the mission impossible association. |
| 01:50.41 | jml6 | dvs: i suppose i have to modprobe it and recompile kernel? |
| 01:50.42 | svref | Eulex: u da man! |
| 01:50.52 | dvs | jml6: Try modprobe first |
| 01:50.52 | Eulex | svref, yw :) |
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| 01:51.02 | thingfish | or was he even in that... |
| 01:51.28 | kspath | omg it is on DVD now |
| 01:51.32 | Henry_Bean | hi, people, i have a ReALLY bad problem :S, i'm using console for irc :o... i don't know what happens to my Xorg... it says that /etc/X11/Xorg is not executable. Anybody has some idea about this? (i'm in sid) |
| 01:51.41 | thingfish | I need cheese for my frittata. |
| 01:51.44 | kspath | Space 1999 Megaset 1975 |
| 01:51.45 | yggdrasil | dvs thanks |
| 01:52.06 | dvs | yggdrasil: You're welcome |
| 01:52.09 | yggdrasil | haha |
| 01:52.15 | Henry_Bean | no, sorry, it says that /etc/X11/X is not executable |
| 01:52.28 | yggdrasil | henry_bean try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:52.49 | thingfish | sudo? now, what does that suggest to me? |
| 01:52.50 | Stevie | okay! |
| 01:52.53 | Henry_Bean | yggdrasil, i did it a lot of times... but nothing fix |
| 01:53.15 | Stevie | I have burned the latest and greatest netinst image |
| 01:53.16 | jml6 | dvs, thanks bro u da man |
| 01:53.20 | Stevie | wish me luck everyone |
| 01:53.21 | Henry_Bean | i mean... i should have a very big problem... i run startx and tell me "command not found" |
| 01:53.24 | Stevie | I'm going to try installing with it. |
| 01:53.28 | dvs | jml6: Yo welcome |
| 01:53.33 | Stevie | Henry_Bean: Did you try installing X? |
| 01:53.35 | Azar | Ts0p I am sorry I was not able to find a howto for your pcmcia not even on google. |
| 01:53.51 | thingfish | Henry_Bean: you didn't install enough stuff. |
| 01:53.56 | Azar | pcmcia are fucked up with linux |
| 01:54.00 | Henry_Bean | Stevie, yes, plenty of times... i don't know what else to do... |
| 01:54.00 | Ts0p | Azar thank you ...but this was my point |
| 01:54.11 | Stevie | Ts0p, you mentioned hostap... why are you using hostap? |
| 01:54.16 | Henry_Bean | thingfish, everything was ok until my last logout of today :( |
| 01:54.29 | thingfish | Henry_Bean: then you're running etch or sid. |
| 01:54.36 | Ts0p | Stevie someone told me it work better with it |
| 01:54.36 | thingfish | I'll warrant. |
| 01:54.40 | Henry_Bean | thingfish, sid |
| 01:54.49 | thingfish | why am I not surprised. |
| 01:54.55 | Henry_Bean | lol xD |
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| 01:55.09 | ribnitz | heyas there |
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| 01:55.23 | Stevie | Ts0p: I don't know why, I've ever needed hostap |
| 01:55.24 | Henry_Bean | but never happens me something like that |
| 01:55.25 | thingfish | Henry_Bean: well, if you run sid, then surely you're adept enough to figure out the little fun things sid throws your way from time to time. |
| 01:55.33 | Stevie | Ts0p: what does cardctl say? |
| 01:55.55 | dvs | thingfish: That's why I DONT use sid |
| 01:56.00 | thingfish | although, frankly, I can't say as that I blame you. I sometimes long for more current software. |
| 01:56.09 | Azar | Stevie Ts0p is trying to get some help with his pcmcia since yesterday... it does not seem to get it work at all |
| 01:56.14 | thingfish | dvs: I know, me too. I tend to prefer things that work. |
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| 01:56.43 | Ts0p | Azar it did work a guy named liable helped me |
| 01:56.45 | ribnitz | I have a probl with apacxhe2/php5. if I open a .php flie, I am asked to save it to disk. I have added the AddHandler to apache2.conf. If the file is named index.php, interpretation works though. |
| 01:56.49 | Henry_Bean | thingfish, but really really i never had a very big problem like this one since i'm using sid for about a year |
| 01:56.54 | Stevie | Ts0p: What does cardctl say? |
| 01:57.00 | Ts0p | i am just repeating everything over and over and over |
| 01:57.17 | thingfish | I say let's get dondelelcaro on the martha stewart show to talk about Debian, because surely a woman who knows about quality would have no problem endorsing it. |
| 01:57.19 | Stevie | We noticed. |
| 01:57.22 | ribnitz | Henry_Bean: IMO, atm sid is more stable than etch. |
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| 01:57.24 | Azar | Ts0p try to accept help from Stevie |
| 01:57.33 | Stevie | Maybe you should try listening to what we have to say, and answering our questions. |
| 01:57.35 | Ts0p | cardctl by it self say nothing |
| 01:57.57 | Stevie | okay, I'm running blind here, I don't have a laptop with card services at my disposal right now |
| 01:58.02 | Stevie | what options exist for cardctl |
| 01:58.07 | thingfish | Henry_Bean: well, isn't that funny! Sid is exactly like that: for long periods of time, it works great. Then one day, you dist-upgrade, and...poof! |
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| 01:58.42 | Henry_Bean | thingfish, now i know... :( |
| 01:58.45 | Ts0p | Stevie why would eth1 disappear |
| 01:58.46 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:58.47 | hyperstream | why would i have to reinstall nvidia(graphics) and nforce(sound/lan) drivers every time i boot |
| 01:59.09 | Azar | Ts0p if I remember well yesterday you said your connection worked, then when you rebooted it did not work. Then liable helped you and it worked again and now is not working . maybe your laptop is crap |
| 01:59.12 | dvs | hyperstream: because it's not in your /etc/modules file? |
| 01:59.18 | Henry_Bean | but any idea what i have to do? |
| 01:59.22 | thingfish | hyperstream: because something is wrong. |
| 01:59.27 | yggdrasil | henry_bean try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:59.29 | yggdrasil | ? |
| 01:59.31 | hyperstream | hmm thought so i just added nvnet and nvsound into /etc/modules file |
| 01:59.32 | liable | stop highlighting me! :) |
| 01:59.34 | thingfish | oh sorry, too much bourbon and coke. |
| 01:59.44 | hyperstream | but i cant find out what the module name is for my nvidia driver |
| 01:59.45 | Ts0p | Azar no i don't think so |
| 01:59.52 | thingfish | and I mean coca-cola. |
| 01:59.54 | Azar | ... I mean everytime you reboot somehow you wind up with no connection. that is bleh |
| 02:00.02 | dvs | liable: Ts0p will thank you |
| 02:00.16 | Stevie | Ts0p: May I message you? |
| 02:00.25 | Henry_Bean | yggdrasil, thanks, i did that so many times... but nothing fixes... the only strange thing is that in the second step don't let me choose driver for my videocard, tells me that discover cannot find it |
| 02:00.27 | Ts0p | if this laptop is crappy will my other 2 are??!! |
| 02:00.29 | liable | Ts0p: why dont you just do what you did last night? |
| 02:00.42 | thingfish | so what. I have to mount -a every time I reboot, thanks to backport.org's 2.6.15. |
| 02:00.45 | Ts0p | Stevie sure |
| 02:00.54 | Stevie | what did he do last night? |
| 02:01.06 | Ts0p | liable welcome back |
| 02:01.23 | hyperstream | how would i locate the name of the nvidia module ? (i found nvnet and nvsound with lsmod) i believe the driver package compiles it into the kernel no ? |
| 02:01.32 | Henry_Bean | the same we do all nights, Pinky... |
| 02:01.33 | liable | just ifdown it and up again |
| 02:01.37 | Ts0p | liable remeber last night u helped me thru all this , i reboot and now it's not working i've been here since 10 am |
| 02:01.44 | deadcat | !u |
| 02:01.44 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 02:01.53 | Ts0p | liable it's not working |
| 02:01.59 | Ts0p | i did that |
| 02:02.10 | liable | Ts0p: does the card show in ifconfig -a? |
| 02:02.16 | Ts0p | liable no |
| 02:02.17 | Azar | maybe kernel upgrade/reboot/ stuff? |
| 02:02.17 | hyperstream | dmesg shows: NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86_64 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0-8178 Wed Dec 14 16: |
| 02:02.23 | hyperstream | nvrm isnt a module :( |
| 02:02.26 | liable | Ts0p: so, load the module for it. |
| 02:02.35 | Stevie | does nvrm delete your nvidia card? |
| 02:02.36 | Ts0p | liable how |
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| 02:02.58 | liable | Ts0p: what kind of card is it? |
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| 02:03.34 | Ts0p | Netgear MA401 (orioco). |
| 02:03.45 | Stevie | orinoco |
| 02:03.51 | Stevie | so try 'modprobe orinoco' |
| 02:04.09 | yggdrasil | cd .. |
| 02:04.15 | dvs | yggdrasil: oops |
| 02:04.17 | Stevie | Access denied |
| 02:04.28 | Ts0p | Stevie nothing |
| 02:04.29 | hyperstream | Stevie, i see something while booting let me find it |
| 02:04.36 | liable | thats good |
| 02:04.36 | dvs | Ts0p: Which is good |
| 02:04.47 | Stevie | Ts0p: ifconfig -a |
| 02:04.50 | liable | Ts0p: now ifconfig -a again |
| 02:04.53 | curt | ribnitz, my apx2 > http://pastebin.com/571332 |
| 02:05.05 | dvs | Stevie: Um, let liable take care of this one... |
| 02:05.24 | yggdrasil | hehe yea |
| 02:05.26 | yggdrasil | oops |
| 02:05.29 | Ts0p | liable it scroll over the screen |
| 02:05.32 | liable | nah, i got other stuff to do anyway, just kept getting highlighted :) |
| 02:05.45 | Ts0p | is there 's a way ican page break |
| 02:05.48 | Stevie | yes |
| 02:05.51 | Stevie | ifconfig -a | less |
| 02:06.06 | liable | huh? ifconfig shouldnt scroll off the screen.. |
| 02:06.19 | Stevie | liable: he's on a laptop. He's probably in a tiny console |
| 02:06.41 | Stevie | Especially if he's got some wacked out tunneling stuff setup (i.e. ipv6-in-ipv4 tunnels) |
| 02:06.47 | Ts0p | liable k eth1 doesn't show |
| 02:06.53 | Stevie | what DOES show? |
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| 02:07.18 | Ts0p | eth0,irda0,lo,sit0 |
| 02:07.24 | Stevie | what's eth0? |
| 02:07.46 | Ts0p | Stevie it's my NIC card |
| 02:07.50 | Stevie | the one you're trying to get online? |
| 02:07.55 | hyperstream | hmm Stevie cant find it |
| 02:08.05 | hyperstream | i says something like NVRM removing nvidia links |
| 02:08.07 | hyperstream | or something |
| 02:08.18 | Stevie | what are you talking about, hyperstream |
| 02:08.19 | Stevie | ? |
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| 02:08.31 | Stevie | the NIC card you're trying to get online is eth0? |
| 02:08.48 | Ts0p | Stevie no eth1 is what i'm trying to get |
| 02:09.02 | dvs | Ts0p: It isn't one of the other cards? |
| 02:09.04 | hyperstream | never mind |
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| 02:09.05 | hyperstream | brb |
| 02:09.05 | liable | Ts0p: can you connect with the wired niic so you can at least paste stuff from that box? |
| 02:09.28 | Ts0p | liabable |
| 02:09.35 | Ts0p | ok hold one |
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| 02:09.38 | Azar | :) |
| 02:09.41 | Stevie | hold one what? :) |
| 02:09.56 | yggdrasil | abrotman you around ... ??? i cant make this thing work |
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| 02:10.15 | yggdrasil | whats the pastebin address in here ? |
| 02:10.22 | cafuego | !paste |
| 02:10.22 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 02:10.31 | Stevie | there's always rafb |
| 02:10.53 | yggdrasil | blah i cant even copy the text out of it |
| 02:10.53 | abrotman | yggdrasil: i don't use nvidia drivers .. i couldn't really help you much |
| 02:10.58 | yggdrasil | yea |
| 02:11.01 | yggdrasil | ok thnks |
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| 02:11.56 | epitron | hrm.. how do I tell apt to stop worrying about the dependencies of a specific package? |
| 02:12.09 | thingfish | installation of nvidia drivers is normally quite straightforward. |
| 02:12.11 | epitron | it works fine if i force it to intsall the package, but apt won't let me install anything without removing the package |
| 02:12.20 | epitron | cause deps aren't met |
| 02:12.35 | thingfish | the idea is you don't ignore dependencies. |
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| 02:13.13 | yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.33 | yggdrasil | t |
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| 02:14.50 | abrotman | !dependency |
| 02:14.50 | dpkg | dependency is probably a package needed by another package. Dependencies are pointed out by dpkg. Dependencies are resolved by apt-get. called a dependency for a good reason |
| 02:14.58 | yggdrasil | oh i guve up on i t for the ngi |
| 02:15.00 | yggdrasil | night |
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| 02:15.03 | yggdrasil | im gonna burnmyself out |
| 02:15.08 | dvs | yggdrasil: you're cut off! |
| 02:15.18 | yggdrasil | hehe |
| 02:15.23 | epitron | thingfish: well, ok, how do i trick the package into thinking that other packages are installed then? :) |
| 02:15.28 | yggdrasil | ive been trying to get this dam box wokring all weeek |
| 02:15.33 | yggdrasil | its realy pissing me off now |
| 02:15.40 | papacoco | hi every body |
| 02:15.46 | papacoco | could you give a hand |
| 02:15.50 | dvs | papacoco: Hi Dr. Nick! |
| 02:16.05 | thingfish | epitron: back up. what are you trying to install, from which repo, and onto which version of Debian? |
| 02:16.12 | papacoco | i need to install win32 codecs in pc and i don't know what are this lines |
| 02:16.33 | epitron | thingfish: it's opera 8.52 on dapper. |
| 02:16.34 | thingfish | !tell papacoco about marillat |
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| 02:16.41 | epitron | i just want to know how to trick packages! :) |
| 02:16.46 | epitron | it doesn't matter what distro i'm using ;) |
| 02:16.48 | thingfish | what's dapper. |
| 02:16.51 | yggdrasil | can anyone gime a hand with an nvidia mx400 trying to get x to roll out thru the svideo card ? |
| 02:16.56 | thingfish | no doubt some ubuntu thing. |
| 02:16.56 | epitron | ubuntu! |
| 02:17.00 | thingfish | bah |
| 02:17.02 | curt | !tell epitron about source |
| 02:17.05 | thingfish | you're on your own, pally. |
| 02:17.18 | papacoco | thingfish, yes ineed this lines from marillat plz |
| 02:17.30 | curt | epitron, that might get you started. or apt-get source, dpkf -i |
| 02:17.31 | thingfish | "let 'em all go to hell, except for Cave 76!" |
| 02:17.39 | foo | lullabud: Beware. |
| 02:17.42 | curt | epitron, I am not recommending anything... |
| 02:17.48 | lullabud | beware yo'self foo'! |
| 02:17.58 | foo | lullabud: :P |
| 02:18.03 | epitron | curt: that's not the problem :) |
| 02:18.17 | curt | epitron, i understand your problem |
| 02:18.21 | epitron | curt: opera is a binary, the things it need EXIST but the packages aren't there.. |
| 02:18.29 | epitron | like, they're named different in dapper |
| 02:18.41 | thingfish | epitron: #ubuntu |
| 02:18.49 | curt | yes i see that |
| 02:18.53 | curt | heh |
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| 02:19.11 | epitron | soooo |
| 02:19.14 | epitron | you want me to rebuild something? |
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| 02:19.19 | epitron | i thought i could just trick the pacakge |
| 02:19.30 | kurumin | hjhjk |
| 02:19.31 | Stevie | The package is much smarter than you are |
| 02:19.31 | epitron | cause i installed it and the program works fine |
| 02:19.38 | Stevie | You will never trick it successfully. |
| 02:19.39 | epitron | no it's not stevie. |
| 02:19.43 | curt | !ubunto |
| 02:19.43 | dpkg | hmm... ubunto is http://people.warp.es/~rubiojr/images/3ubuntu.jpg or http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07?seemore=y#2005-06-07-ubuntu |
| 02:19.47 | curt | !ubuntu |
| 02:19.47 | dpkg | ubuntu is, like, not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 02:19.47 | epitron | it's too stupid for me to trick maybe ;) |
| 02:19.47 | Stevie | It may pretend to be working, but secretly it's plotting |
| 02:20.01 | thingfish | epitron: /topic |
| 02:20.03 | epitron | ._. |
| 02:20.34 | epitron | so i guess, in a non-direct way, you're saying i can't fake deps? |
| 02:20.38 | epitron | with virtual packages or whatevre? |
| 02:20.45 | epitron | cause i've seen those! |
| 02:20.56 | dondelelcaro | epitron: it can be done, but you don't want to do it. |
| 02:21.17 | epitron | i do want to do it. :D |
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| 02:21.29 | curt | get em don |
| 02:21.33 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:21.46 | epitron | i've been using debian and linux for a long time guys. |
| 02:21.52 | thingfish | that's swell. |
| 02:21.55 | itguy | okay guys i am in with wired |
| 02:21.56 | dondelelcaro | epitron: no, you don't. You want to modify the pre-existing Debian package to be built in whatever way you want to build it, and use your custom package insetad. |
| 02:22.12 | epitron | dondelelcaro: but since it's opera, which has no source, i can't do that |
| 02:22.21 | dondelelcaro | epitron: sure you can. |
| 02:22.24 | epitron | unless you mean hack the deps of the package |
| 02:22.30 | epitron | o_O |
| 02:22.31 | itguy | liable: i am here |
| 02:22.33 | dondelelcaro | epitron: what dependency are you worried about anyway? |
| 02:22.44 | epitron | it wants xlibs or something |
| 02:22.49 | epitron | it's just named different |
| 02:22.50 | dondelelcaro | epitron: just because the source code isn't available doesn't mean that you can't make a .deb. |
| 02:22.59 | yggdrasil | can anyone gime a hand with an nvidia mx400 trying to get x to roll out thru the svideo card ? |
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| 02:23.13 | epitron | so i've gotta unroll the deb, and repackage it? |
| 02:23.19 | dondelelcaro | epitron: so fix the opera .deb to depend on the proper package, and complain to opera that they've not set their dependencies properly for whatever non-Debian distribution you're using. |
| 02:23.22 | itguy | liable: nwo my pcmcia card light just keeps blinking |
| 02:23.25 | epitron | i can't modify the package's info inline? |
| 02:23.26 | dondelelcaro | epitron: man dpkg-deb |
| 02:23.43 | epitron | ok thanks :D |
| 02:23.45 | liable | itguy: so it shows in ifconfig -a? |
| 02:23.52 | dondelelcaro | epitron: and read about -X and and -e. |
| 02:23.52 | epitron | that's a much nicer solution. |
| 02:24.00 | liable | itguy: paste ifconfig -a and iwconfig output to paster |
| 02:24.03 | thingfish | ok, well maybe we are supposed to be nice to ubuntu users after all. |
| 02:24.33 | thingfish | precedent notwithstanding. |
| 02:24.37 | dondelelcaro | epitron: finally, please don't bring questions about Debian derived distributions here; we can't support them, nor can we support proprietary software. |
| 02:24.53 | itguy | liable: what is paster |
| 02:24.57 | rredd4 | how can i install x from my 14 cd's, the install tried to do it from the internet (I have dial-up, too slow). The cd's are in my sources.list. I need a command please.. thanks |
| 02:24.59 | dondelelcaro | !tell itguy -about paster |
| 02:25.00 | epitron | dondelelcaro: fair enough. |
| 02:25.12 | dondelelcaro | rredd4: you've added them using apt-cdrom? |
| 02:25.18 | rredd4 | yes |
| 02:25.22 | rredd4 | no |
| 02:25.26 | rredd4 | i guess not |
| 02:25.28 | epitron | dondelelcaro: i was really asking about the usage of debian package tools though :) |
| 02:25.29 | rredd4 | hmmm |
| 02:25.32 | thingfish | epitron: why not install Debian? It's a great distro. |
| 02:25.34 | epitron | you guys support those right? |
| 02:25.44 | epitron | :D |
| 02:25.47 | epitron | anyhow, thanks a lot for the help. |
| 02:25.50 | thingfish | epitron: I mean think about it - so many other distros use it for their base. |
| 02:25.51 | dondelelcaro | epitron: we support the ones that Debian ships, which aren't the same as the ones that ubuntu does. |
| 02:25.54 | itguy | !paster |
| 02:25.54 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 02:26.35 | epitron | thingfish: do you guys have Xgl and compiz? |
| 02:26.36 | rredd4 | dondelelcaro: ummm.. added what? |
| 02:26.57 | dondelelcaro | rredd4: the cdrom contents using apt-cdrom. |
| 02:27.01 | thingfish | epitron: hah. |
| 02:27.09 | epitron | thingfish: that's why i installed dapper ;) |
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| 02:27.14 | thingfish | epitron: maybe somewhere...beyond experimental. |
| 02:27.27 | rredd4 | dondelelcaro: I did it with the install |
| 02:27.45 | dondelelcaro | rredd4: and if you go apt-cache show foopkg; you see a line telling you that it's available on the cdrom? |
| 02:27.55 | itguy | liable: I paste it in paster |
| 02:28.21 | dondelelcaro | rredd4: if you're sure that that's the case, remove the other lines from your sources.list, and run apt-get update; then install the packages you want. |
| 02:28.24 | rredd4 | dondelelcaro: it goes to the ftp site first |
| 02:28.27 | liable | itguy: cool, can we have the ip? |
| 02:28.41 | dondelelcaro | rredd4: it'll use the one that is listed first, unless the packages that it needs are only on the ftp site. |
| 02:28.58 | itguy | my ip |
| 02:29.05 | rredd4 | dondelelcaro: is x on the cd's? |
| 02:29.23 | liable | itguy: no, for the paster page.. |
| 02:29.25 | rredd4 | dondelelcaro: cd's are listed first |
| 02:29.25 | deadcat | if i want to change the up down back home buttons on gtk apps. do i change the theme or the icon theme? |
| 02:29.34 | dondelelcaro | rredd4: it is, but iirc, there's been a security bugfix to X; so if you've got 3.1r0a instead of 3.1r1, you'll need to download them. |
| 02:29.37 | itguy | liable:http://channels.debian.net/paste/1924. |
| 02:29.54 | yggdrasil | can anyone gime a hand with an nvidia mx400 trying to get x to roll out thru the svideo card ? |
| 02:30.12 | Stevie | I think I asked this earlier, but what exactly is xorg and how is it superior to xfree86? |
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| 02:30.15 | rredd4 | dondelelcaro: i have 3.1r1 cd's |
| 02:30.27 | itguy | liable: Notice the Wlan0 i never had this b4 |
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| 02:30.40 | dondelelcaro | rredd4: then it should be using them. apt-cache policy xserver-xfree86; and give us the results using the paster bot. |
| 02:31.00 | dondelelcaro | Stevie: it's a fork of xfree86 from 4.3.X and it's the one that is actually being developed. |
| 02:31.06 | chealer | Stevie: xorg has a DFSG-free license |
| 02:31.13 | Stevie | oh |
| 02:31.22 | rredd4 | dondelelcaro: I am in windows now, could not get irssi to install.. |
| 02:31.27 | Stevie | wait, if it's the one being developed, why is *it* the fork? :P |
| 02:31.29 | dvs | dondelelcaro: They gave up on XFree86? |
| 02:31.48 | dondelelcaro | dvs: well, someone may be developing it... but no one who matters is working on it. |
| 02:32.03 | dondelelcaro | Stevie: because the license was changed at that moment, and it forked pre-license change. |
| 02:32.11 | liable | itguy: ok, gimme the output from lsmod, modprobe -r orinoco, then paste output from ifconfig -a and iwconfig |
| 02:32.31 | dondelelcaro | in any case, localtime all. |
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| 02:33.50 | hyperstream | hmm |
| 02:34.18 | curt | localtime == evening |
| 02:34.21 | rredd4 | dondelelcaro: so i need to apt-get install XFree86? |
| 02:34.26 | liable | pub? |
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| 02:34.46 | liable | go down the local? |
| 02:35.20 | justin | curt: not for people where it is morning |
| 02:35.24 | hyperstream | it seems whenever i reboot debian i have to re run the following: NFORCE-Linux-x86_64-1.0-0310-pkg1.run (to install the sound drivers) then i have to run. alsaconf , this gets alsa running properly with 5.1 surround sound. , ive noticed without running that i can play music thru the OSS plugin in xmms(i removed oss from kernel compile weird ? ) |
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| 02:36.22 | mikeX | hyperstream: that's probably oss emulation you're getting with xmms |
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| 02:36.42 | hyperstream | yeah but its normaly using the alsa plugin |
| 02:36.54 | jetscreamer | !info x-window-system-base |
| 02:36.56 | hyperstream | but since it wasnt working i changed to oss just to see if it was going thru there and sure enuff it is |
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| 02:37.00 | killfill | hey |
| 02:37.03 | jetscreamer | oh that's kde |
| 02:37.25 | killfill | how does one get the label of a vfat disk in linux? |
| 02:37.35 | Stevie | dd might work |
| 02:37.36 | Stevie | :) |
| 02:37.41 | Stevie | Not recommended, however |
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| 02:38.09 | dvs | killfill: Just look at |
| 02:38.23 | itguy | liable: here you go...http://channels.debian.net/paste/1925 ....Note:modprobe -r orinoco return nothing |
| 02:38.23 | jetscreamer | it doesn't show in cfdisk |
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| 02:39.01 | jetscreamer | use modconf |
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| 02:39.23 | liable | itguy: in linux, when a command exits successfully, it doesnt generally say anything. ie, only returns when there is an error. |
| 02:39.37 | curt | How would you send a jpg file to cups via command line, prefereable scaled to fit a letter size page... |
| 02:39.41 | itguy | lilo: okay |
| 02:39.47 | killfill | dvs: look at what?... |
| 02:39.50 | Terat0gen | in windows you get a BSOD generally |
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| 02:39.57 | Terat0gen | whether it's successful or not |
| 02:39.58 | dvs | killfill: The label of vfat |
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| 02:40.13 | killfill | dvs: how do i see that?... |
| 02:40.13 | jetscreamer | the how is the question, liable |
| 02:40.19 | jetscreamer | see? :) |
| 02:40.30 | killfill | heh.. |
| 02:40.36 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 02:40.43 | jetscreamer | i meant dvs |
| 02:41.03 | liable | itguy: is that iwconfig output after modprobe -r? |
| 02:41.29 | dvs | killfill: Oh. I thought fdisk would work but it doesn't |
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| 02:42.34 | jetscreamer | you could use a hexeditor ... :) |
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| 02:42.51 | liable | itguy: paste the contents of your interfaces file, i gotta go for a bit, but this shouldnt be to hard to get working, someone else can help you. |
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| 02:43.03 | jetscreamer | killfill: there's probably some way with dosfstools |
| 02:43.13 | jetscreamer | or whatever packages it provides |
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| 02:44.19 | mfrisch | ssh 423.hopto.org Friday 21:43:52 |
| 02:44.20 | mfrisch | System bootup in progress - please wait |
| 02:44.25 | mfrisch | help |
| 02:44.27 | liable | curt: lpr foo.jpg? |
| 02:44.42 | Azar | Ts0p I finally found a link so you might take time, read , surf the links inside, I never had a wifi, so heck im not interested in learning this stuff: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 02:44.43 | itguy | liable: here is after modprobe -r |
| 02:44.57 | liable | curt: will require cupsys-bsd |
| 02:45.30 | itguy | liable: hold on 1 sec please i think i know what went wrong |
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| 02:45.41 | Azar | mrfrisch what help? |
| 02:45.49 | itguy | liable: will u give me one min to write it down |
| 02:46.06 | curt | liable, i'll try that here in a minute. I was thinking ffjpeg foo.jpg | cups or something similar. |
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| 02:46.11 | liable | itguy: sure |
| 02:46.20 | mfrisch | Azar: I did an upgrade and now I cannot login ANYWHERE ssh console. :-( |
| 02:46.42 | Ts0p | !paster |
| 02:46.42 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 02:46.43 | Azar | mrfrisch ouch upgraded over ssh? |
| 02:46.46 | liable | curt: sure, i dunno if you can pipe to cups like that though, but try |
| 02:47.31 | Ts0p | liable check http://channels.debian.net/paste/1927 |
| 02:47.34 | mfrisch | Azar: at first yes. I restored from backup and did it from here and same. |
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| 02:48.32 | Ts0p | liable luckly i had #flood open from last night ....if u notice there is a diff in pcmcia in my new lsmod and today one |
| 02:48.38 | Azar | upgraded what? kernel? distro? |
| 02:49.00 | Ts0p | liable does that help |
| 02:49.52 | liable | Ts0p: ok, so modprobe the modules you had last night. i gotta go, be back in an hour or so, but someone should be able to get you sorted, the card works, its just a matter of getting the right modules loaded and your interfaces file sorted out. |
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| 02:49.55 | deadcat | what good is xgl without compiz? |
| 02:49.59 | Azar | mfrisch: could you use the wheel group? |
| 02:50.07 | devicenull | would there be a downside to using gcc3.4 to replace the default 3.3? |
| 02:50.24 | liable | deadcat: you got xgl? |
| 02:50.33 | mfrisch | Azar: no just a upgrade aptitude upgrade. Same kernel. does /etc/securetty control regular users now? wheel group? |
| 02:50.34 | Ts0p | liable where is the interface file located |
| 02:50.48 | liable | Ts0p: /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 02:50.51 | abrotman | !tell Ts0p about interfaces |
| 02:50.52 | deadcat | liable: no. i am just wondering.. what good would xgl do me if i use openbox? (= |
| 02:50.52 | liable | !reference |
| 02:50.53 | dpkg | well, reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
| 02:50.54 | liable | Ts0p: ^^ |
| 02:50.59 | liable | read that too.. |
| 02:51.05 | Azar | mfrisch: I am not recalling very well but I think one could su using wheel group |
| 02:51.17 | Azar | ..but I am not very aware about this procedure |
| 02:51.24 | Azar | just heard people talking |
| 02:51.47 | mfrisch | Azar: I'm just trying to login as a normal user. |
| 02:51.54 | mfrisch | I sudo |
| 02:52.47 | Azar | you could make your username have access over ssh.. |
| 02:53.24 | Azar | the way you said it, it looks like the upgrade hardened access over ssh |
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| 02:54.39 | mfrisch | Azar: I agree. But I can't even login at a console. |
| 02:54.56 | mikeX | can someone remind me what the 'load' figure stands for exactly (in uptime's output)? |
| 02:55.34 | Azar | mfrisch: ugly stuff. |
| 02:56.05 | jsalbre | does anyone know if there's a problem with the PHP4 GD implementation in Sarge? ?phpinfo says GD is installed but nothing requiring it works |
| 02:56.12 | mfrisch | Azar: I'll figure it out ;-) THANKS |
| 02:56.19 | Stevie | GD? |
| 02:56.21 | Stevie | geek disco? |
| 02:56.56 | jetscreamer | grokdard |
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| 02:57.26 | jsalbre | actually, i'm not sure what it sands for |
| 02:57.30 | jsalbre | err, stands |
| 02:57.33 | vook | is it possible to limit an individual process a certain percentage of CPU performance (not really time). Basically, can I force a process to run at, for example, 200mhz? |
| 02:57.34 | stoned | do you need a graphics card on a linux machine in order to use a vncserver on it? |
| 02:57.34 | Stevie | Grody Dude |
| 02:57.41 | jsalbre | one sec :) |
| 02:57.53 | vook | sort of like moslo |
| 02:57.59 | Stevie | vook: there's nice. |
| 02:58.05 | Stevie | nice +19 it |
| 02:58.21 | jsalbre | "GD graphics library" |
| 02:58.30 | Stevie | ooh |
| 02:58.34 | Stevie | The Geek Disco Graphics Library |
| 02:58.37 | vook | Stevie, but the process still uses 100% of the cpu if 100% of the cpu is available |
| 02:58.41 | jsalbre | yeah, that one ;) |
| 02:58.55 | Stevie | vook: That is correct. |
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| 02:59.06 | Stevie | Why would you want it to not run? |
| 02:59.14 | yggdrasil | can anyone gime a hand with an nvidia mx400 trying to get x to roll out thru the svideo card ? |
| 02:59.49 | Azar | yggdrasil: I use nvidia geforce mx 4000 and 400 but no svideo |
| 02:59.58 | yggdrasil | azar |
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| 03:00.06 | yggdrasil | in your xorg.conf is driver nv or nvidia ? |
| 03:00.22 | vook | Stevie, gnuchess, It's a cpu hog. That's fine on a desktop, but it's draining my battery. gnuchess will take 100% all of the time. |
| 03:00.39 | Azar | yggdrasil: I never used xorg as xfree86 works wonders on mine. "nv" is the generic driver module |
| 03:00.51 | yggdrasil | yeaok |
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| 03:01.02 | yggdrasil | i need to figure out how to get the nvidia driver working |
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| 03:01.05 | yggdrasil | or loaded |
| 03:01.34 | chealer9 | !tell yggdrasil about ngd |
| 03:01.39 | linoleum | hello, is there a text web browser that gots tabs , like firefox???? |
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| 03:01.52 | Azar | yggdrasil: I only know how to with sarge/xfree try nvidia one-liner from dpkg pm substitute "xfree" with "xorg" stanza |
| 03:01.55 | yggdrasil | thanks ill try it |
| 03:01.58 | jsalbre | how would a text browser have tabs? |
| 03:01.58 | vook | linoleum, w3m is the most complete text browser |
| 03:02.05 | orchid | linoleum: w3m does I think |
| 03:02.11 | yggdrasil | hmm |
| 03:02.15 | Stevie | Geek Horoscopes: Taurus: Your moral compass will be thrown off by the electromagnetic emissions of your power supply resulting in your decision to purchase a copy of Windows XP. |
| 03:02.28 | comsa | dpkg had something on nv tuther day |
| 03:02.33 | linoleum | tkx guys, I used to like links2 but I'm gona try w3m |
| 03:02.50 | useruser | links has tabs too |
| 03:02.51 | Azar | ygg: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 03:03.02 | vook | linoleum, w3m rocks, you can even use your mouse. |
| 03:03.46 | Azar | yggdrasil: but that will only install/configure nvidia driver for you = I have no idea about svideo |
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| 03:05.55 | yggdrasil | azar if i can just get that nvididia driver not th nv driver ill get the svid up |
| 03:05.58 | yggdrasil | i had it working in ubuntu |
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| 03:08.42 | yggdrasil | oh yea i tried to run this earlier |
| 03:08.45 | yggdrasil | it failed |
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| 03:11.10 | abrotman | why not ask #nvidia ? |
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| 03:11.18 | jetscreamer | dpkg, nonv is <reply> apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` && sh NVIDIA-blah.run -anNX --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`/include |
| 03:11.18 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 03:11.33 | Red_Cloud | In Synaptic Package Manager / Settings / Repositories I need the URI exact name for the Etch CD ISO images. Could someone give me the exact wording for these CDs? |
| 03:11.36 | Stevie | wtf |
| 03:11.37 | abrotman | you're not supposed to do that! |
| 03:11.51 | jetscreamer | dpkg forget nonv |
| 03:11.51 | dpkg | i forgot nonv, jetscreamer |
| 03:11.54 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 03:11.54 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: use http sources? |
| 03:12.12 | abrotman | !nvidia |
| 03:12.12 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 03:12.38 | Red_Cloud | That would be good also abrotman. Could you give me the exact http source text for the etch? |
| 03:12.39 | jetscreamer | so in etch, tough shit. |
| 03:13.23 | Stevie | why is the freaking etch netinst not working |
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| 03:13.53 | jetscreamer | you have an sata and an ide controller, and/or intel chipset |
| 03:13.56 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: /j #flood |
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| 03:14.44 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: and use the one for your country |
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| 03:14.48 | madmike | anyone here? |
| 03:14.49 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 03:14.52 | jetscreamer | no |
| 03:14.54 | Ts0p | YAY i got it working |
| 03:14.54 | madmike | lol |
| 03:14.57 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you're not here either! |
| 03:15.02 | ansong | there's 749 of us not here |
| 03:15.03 | Ts0p | finally |
| 03:15.04 | jetscreamer | no i'm not |
| 03:15.09 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 03:15.17 | jetscreamer | !win Ts0p |
| 03:15.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, Ts0p! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 03:15.25 | madmike | anyone know of a good channel to go to for help with my windows xp installation that keeps freezing |
| 03:15.37 | jetscreamer | ##windows |
| 03:15.38 | abrotman | madmike: certainly not this one |
| 03:15.38 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, I have joined #flood and will see what I can do \ |
| 03:15.41 | Stevie | Rumors of my being here are not so greatly exaggerated. |
| 03:15.46 | Ts0p | jetscreamer i got the card to read and everything |
| 03:15.53 | jetscreamer | good job dude |
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| 03:15.56 | Ts0p | but i can't ping yet |
| 03:16.01 | dadexter | madmike, 3 words: don't use Windows |
| 03:16.05 | madmike | lol |
| 03:16.07 | madmike | i need to |
| 03:16.13 | madmike | i just installed new motherboard |
| 03:16.18 | jetscreamer | windows is as fried as it's admin |
| 03:16.23 | madmike | and i need to get to some files on on c partition |
| 03:16.25 | Stevie | madmike, 3 words: Why ask HERE? |
| 03:16.33 | dadexter | no one "needs" windows |
| 03:16.35 | jetscreamer | /join ##windows |
| 03:16.38 | madmike | cuz i just set this up |
| 03:16.41 | _joey | could someone recommend popular linux forums please :) |
| 03:16.44 | madmike | and this was the default channel :) |
| 03:16.47 | Stevie | Aries |
| 03:16.47 | Stevie | Mar 21 - Apr 19 |
| 03:16.47 | Stevie | Based on your viewing habits, your Tivo has concluded that you're a serial killer and has phoned the police. |
| 03:16.49 | Stevie | oops |
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| 03:16.58 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer: It's looks that there are not many people on #shit |
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| 03:17.03 | Stevie | blah |
| 03:17.11 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 03:17.24 | kspath | madmike: we do not do windows due to it doing us |
| 03:17.34 | Ts0p | =) |
| 03:17.34 | dadexter | _joey, forums as in web sites? |
| 03:17.36 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer: Ans surely, if we filter the good persons on it, result -4 |
| 03:17.42 | dvm1981 | s/ans/and |
| 03:17.42 | _joey | dadexter yes |
| 03:17.47 | Stevie | You know, that's rather annoying. |
| 03:17.53 | dadexter | _joey, linuxgangster.org |
| 03:17.53 | madmike | lol kspath |
| 03:17.54 | Stevie | What bastard devised that concept? |
| 03:18.06 | madmike | i just need to get some old data off that partition |
| 03:18.08 | madmike | that is it |
| 03:18.12 | madmike | then windows is gone forever |
| 03:18.14 | abrotman | madmike: go to ##windows |
| 03:18.18 | madmike | thanks |
| 03:18.22 | jetscreamer | you don't need windows to get the data |
| 03:18.36 | dadexter | madmike, haven't installed/used/looked at windows for years, can't help you |
| 03:18.36 | dvm1981 | madmike: THAT is good news, fire up the shit |
| 03:18.37 | nix4me | mount the drive |
| 03:18.42 | nix4me | get the data off |
| 03:18.47 | jetscreamer | unless it's compressed maybe |
| 03:18.53 | jetscreamer | or encrypted |
| 03:19.02 | dadexter | madmike, why do you NEED windows to read the data? |
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| 03:19.34 | dvm1981 | madmike: Modify the 'fstab' file, not ? |
| 03:19.56 | Stevie | why the hell does the etch netinst cd not work |
| 03:20.05 | jetscreamer | you have an sata and an ide controller, and/or intel chipset |
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| 03:20.26 | dvm1981 | madmike: /dev/hda8 /mnt/winshare vfat noauto,user,exec,rw 0 0 |
| 03:20.38 | dadexter | I shouldn't try to make sense out of the reasons people have for needing windows, when I can't even keep my eyes opened |
| 03:20.43 | dvm1981 | madmike: Or such thing similar |
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| 03:21.24 | Stevie | hey, I'm having a problem. Do I need to pretend I'm using Windows in order to get help too? |
| 03:21.53 | kspath | wow, look at this. Win2K3 Enterprise Ed. Let me just wipe that right out with a fresh all drive Debian install. There we go. All better. |
| 03:21.55 | yggdrasil | uhg so frustrated |
| 03:22.06 | yggdrasil | linux is only free if your time has no value |
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| 03:22.38 | veamos | can anybody help me with my video card? |
| 03:22.40 | madmike | sorry, i forgot to mention that i am running off a live cd cuz there is no linux partition on this cpu |
| 03:22.40 | curt | Stevie, I thought that you where the helper not the helpie |
| 03:22.48 | kspath | I find that most often people are not using the tools that are just fine but are always trying to do the latest useless fad. |
| 03:22.50 | madmike | so i cant install anything |
| 03:22.51 | Stevie | debian has a live cd? |
| 03:22.54 | madmike | no |
| 03:22.57 | madmike | im in knoppix |
| 03:22.59 | dvm1981 | I have powered on yesterday an old P1, the first thing i was thinking. Format that shit of win95 :-/ |
| 03:23.04 | Stevie | then why are you in #debian? |
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| 03:23.12 | madmike | that was the default channel |
| 03:23.12 | Stevie | why not #knoppix? |
| 03:23.16 | Stevie | SO? |
| 03:23.22 | dadexter | wow... |
| 03:23.26 | madmike | cuz this is a windows problem |
| 03:23.36 | Stevie | So in no way is this a DEBIAN problem |
| 03:23.37 | madmike | i already found another channel though |
| 03:23.40 | madmike | no |
| 03:23.42 | dadexter | ya, leave #debian if you're not using debian, you could be charged and put in jail |
| 03:23.48 | madmike | i just need quick help |
| 03:23.54 | veamos | I have a NVidia Geforce MX4000-T128. When I try to play ppracer, it works so slowly. can anybody help me? |
| 03:24.00 | Stevie | if your quick help isn't with Debian, then don't ask here |
| 03:24.02 | yggdrasil | * either install pkg-config or set the QTDIR environment |
| 03:24.10 | yggdrasil | directory whats that about ? |
| 03:24.15 | yggdrasil | ive got pkg-config |
| 03:24.26 | kspath | dadexter: forget jail. immediate incineration is the latest craze |
| 03:24.30 | dvm1981 | madmike: What is you're problem. Troubles with that shit of M$ ? Or just need to get the data of and stupid partition of it before leaving that shit for live ? |
| 03:24.38 | dadexter | kspath, that's what it seems |
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| 03:25.31 | dadexter | Ircing under influence |
| 03:25.32 | hyperstream | Sound-Driver related issue: Im currectly using NFORCE-Linux-x86_64-1.0-0310-pkg1.run for sound and Lan drivers, works great except to get 5.1 surround sound i use alsa(compiled in kernel and i removed oss from kernel). Everytime i reboot my ethernet works fine and sound works fine IF i open xmms and select OSS plugin i think loose surround sound, so in order to get it working i must reinstall the NFORE driver pack install sou |
| 03:25.32 | hyperstream | nd/lan drivers. then modprobe nvnet (lan) then ifdown eth0 | ifup eth0 then to get sound working i need to run alsaconf tap enter few times. then it works(changing xmms back to alsa plugin), why is this happening ? :x |
| 03:25.35 | dvm1981 | Stevie: Is true, M$ is shit :-/ |
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| 03:25.57 | dadexter | hyperstream, can you repeat that, but slower? |
| 03:26.12 | kspath | !tell hyperstream about paste |
| 03:26.17 | curt | hyperstream, did you ask that a little bit ago? |
| 03:26.18 | Stevie | dvm1981: So is your English |
| 03:26.19 | hyperstream | sure just been testing some stuff. thought id retype it out in gedit and try to explain as much as possible :) |
| 03:26.31 | dadexter | that's lame |
| 03:26.49 | dvm1981 | Stevie: Sorry, is not my native language. I try to learn it, not always easy :-/ |
| 03:26.50 | madmike | dvm1981, i just need to get a couple lists off the old c drive, it was a list of stuff from inside a program, that i cant read from any other program |
| 03:27.03 | hyperstream | curt, yeah but a bit more less detailed |
| 03:27.03 | kspath | dadexter: What is incapable of walking normally? |
| 03:27.04 | veamos | I have a NVidia Geforce MX4000-T128. I'm running kernel 2.4.27-2-386 on debian 3.1-r1 Sarge.- When I try to play ppracer, it works so slowly. can anybody help me? |
| 03:27.05 | curt | hyperstream, I thought that there was a alsa/oss confict bug not long ago maybe google that? |
| 03:27.22 | dadexter | madmike, if your c drive is vfat or ntfs you should be able to mount it |
| 03:27.36 | dvm1981 | Stevie: Is my english so bad ? |
| 03:28.01 | Atomo64 | hey guys... I'm trying to mount a HDD so a non-root user can access to it... it is a NTFS HDD... and when I try to mount it from an other account it gives me an 'only root can do that' error, I've even changed the owner and group of the /mnt/hda1/ dir (where the disk is mounted), what can I do? |
| 03:28.17 | Stevie | Atomo64: you need a line in /etc/fstab |
| 03:28.18 | dvm1981 | Stevie: I have learn English, by reading, reading, reading docs |
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| 03:28.32 | Stevie | Atomo64: In the options section you need to put 'user' so non-root users can *mount* |
| 03:28.38 | veamos | I have a NVidia Geforce MX4000-T128. I'm running kernel 2.4.27-2-386 on debian 3.1-r1 Sarge.- When I try to play ppracer, it works so slowly. can anybody help me? |
| 03:29.03 | madmike | dadexter, now can i run that program though to get the list of stuff i need |
| 03:29.09 | veamos | is there anybody available for help? |
| 03:29.13 | madmike | i can only view it inside that program |
| 03:29.23 | Stevie | what program? |
| 03:29.25 | dadexter | what program? |
| 03:29.35 | dadexter | doh |
| 03:29.35 | Stevie | heh |
| 03:29.36 | kspath | !lart madmike |
| 03:29.53 | dadexter | Stevie, that one |
| 03:29.55 | dvm1981 | :-/ |
| 03:30.03 | yggdrasil | what the heck is qt ? i cant find a pkg for it |
| 03:30.06 | veamos | is there anybody available for help? |
| 03:30.10 | Stevie | qt is the library kde uses |
| 03:30.14 | kspath | Where is the truckload of vaxen when you want it? |
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| 03:30.35 | Stevie | I don't know, kspath. Where is a working Etch netinst image when you need one? |
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| 03:30.45 | veamos | I have a NVidia Geforce MX4000-T128. I'm running kernel 2.4.27-2-386 on debian 3.1-r1 Sarge.- When I try to play ppracer, it works so slowly. can anybody help me? |
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| 03:30.59 | yggdrasil | stevie ... what pkg is it that i should install ? |
| 03:31.05 | kspath | Stevie: Do you really need it? Sarge to Etch works just fine. |
| 03:31.11 | Stevie | probably libqt3 |
| 03:31.26 | Atomo64 | Stevie: err.... the hdd isn't listed there, so iguess i've to add it... what options do I have to set? and what to 'dump' and 'pass'? |
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| 03:32.01 | Stevie | kspath: Here's the riddle: Why go to the effort to download everything for sarge if I'm just going to replace it all with etch? |
| 03:32.01 | veamos | my gosh. can anybody help me? |
| 03:32.05 | Stevie | veamos: The answer would appear to be no. |
| 03:32.21 | dadexter | wtf is ppracer? |
| 03:32.26 | Stevie | Since you've been in here forever, asking the same exact question, over and over and over, and nobody has replied 'yes'. |
| 03:32.27 | yggdrasil | ahh yes |
| 03:32.28 | kspath | veamos: wait for people to answer. There is a chance that no one has your hardware or application and therefore might not be able to help. Wait for a while and ask again. Do not ask to ask or ask if anyone can help. Just wait a while longer and ask again. |
| 03:32.30 | Atomo64 | veamos, have you ever tried with 2.6? |
| 03:32.30 | yggdrasil | libqt3-dev |
| 03:32.37 | dvm1981 | bamos a la playa, o oh o o oh ... |
| 03:32.45 | Stevie | yggdrasil: That's for compiling your own qt applications |
| 03:32.52 | Atomo64 | dvm1981: *vamos |
| 03:32.58 | yggdrasil | hmm |
| 03:32.58 | Stevie | Unless you're doing that, you don't need the -dev packages |
| 03:33.12 | golly | Anyone? How would I put the PID of a shell command into a variable? |
| 03:33.13 | kspath | Stevie: That is not a riddle. That is a rhetorical question. |
| 03:33.16 | yggdrasil | well im trying to make this driver and i did make xconf and it said it cant connect to x |
| 03:33.16 | yggdrasil | haha |
| 03:33.19 | yggdrasil | how silly is that |
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| 03:33.51 | itguy | !auto |
| 03:33.51 | dpkg | [auto] dutch for auto |
| 03:33.52 | dadexter | I have libqt3-mt installed |
| 03:33.56 | Atomo64 | Stevie: so... what should I put on 'dump' and 'pass'? |
| 03:34.12 | Stevie | Atomo64: 0 and 0 |
| 03:34.27 | Stevie | in that order (be sure not to reverse them) |
| 03:34.35 | veamos | Atomo64: Yes I have. but it's the same |
| 03:34.45 | dvm1981 | Im dutch yes, what happend with it ? |
| 03:34.50 | Atomo64 | Stevie: and these options are okay? "ro,user" or should I add something more? |
| 03:34.54 | itguy | in wireless how can i make wla0 auto like lo auto...should i just add "auto wlan0" in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:35.01 | Stevie | Atomo64: noexec's a good choice |
| 03:35.38 | golly | Anyone? How would I put the PID of a shell command into a variable? |
| 03:35.53 | Atomo64 | Stevie: ok... done... so that should do it? |
| 03:35.56 | Stevie | I would investigate $$ |
| 03:35.58 | Stevie | golly |
| 03:36.17 | Stevie | Atomo64: I would strongly recommend resetting the permissions you've probably screwed up on the device node itself |
| 03:36.26 | golly | Stevie: money? |
| 03:36.31 | Stevie | no, $$ |
| 03:36.36 | curt | hehe |
| 03:36.41 | golly | stevie $$ is? |
| 03:36.50 | curt | pid |
| 03:37.02 | itguy | Anyone? know?? how to make wlan0 auto ?! |
| 03:37.03 | Supaplex | kill -9 $$ |
| 03:37.04 | Stevie | Something that I thought you should know about, given what you're asking |
| 03:37.08 | Stevie | bah |
| 03:37.10 | Stevie | -9 is lame |
| 03:37.12 | Stevie | use -11 |
| 03:37.14 | golly | hm'kay |
| 03:37.19 | Atomo64 | Stevie: I dindn't change anything on the HDD, I just added the 'myaccname' to the owner and group... maybe I should put back the group to 'staff' |
| 03:37.22 | chealer9 | itguy: why not? |
| 03:37.30 | Stevie | Atomo64: That's what I meant |
| 03:37.32 | kspath | golly: you did not mention the shell so my answer is use ps or pgrep |
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| 03:37.53 | deadlyninja | when ftp'ing from windows to linux, i get 20mb/sec, when using a network share via samba, i get 1-5mb/sec, ive tried changing all my SOCKOPT stuff to pretty much every combination and it doesnt seem to get any betteris there anything obvious i need to change for samba to work properly on gigabit connections? |
| 03:38.01 | golly | shell is bash. and yeah grepping a ps could do it |
| 03:38.03 | Stevie | kspath: Bah, anyone who's anyone uses Zoidberg. |
| 03:38.10 | Atomo64 | Stevie: hehe, ... btw, what good firewall do you recommend me? |
| 03:38.12 | itguy | chealer9: can i just add auto wlan0 in the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:38.15 | Stevie | iptables |
| 03:38.18 | cyberass_ | ifguy: try to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:38.25 | cyberass_ | # The primary network interface |
| 03:38.29 | Atomo64 | Stevie: 'iptables' was for me? |
| 03:38.36 | Stevie | Atomo64: aye |
| 03:38.43 | kspath | Stevie: great thanks anyone |
| 03:38.44 | chealer9 | veamos: is direct rendering enabled? |
| 03:38.51 | chealer9 | itguy: why not? |
| 03:39.25 | itguy | chealer9: anywhere it doesn't matter?? |
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| 03:39.41 | abrotman | knoppix loser too! |
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| 03:39.51 | veamos | how do I turn it enabled? |
| 03:39.56 | Atomo64 | Stevie: btw... there's any way that I could setup KDE to show the k-menu when I press the 'windows' bttn? |
| 03:39.59 | Stevie | apparently the people at RIT are not well edu-cated |
| 03:40.16 | Stevie | Atomo64: As a matter of fact, there IS a way. I just don't know it. |
| 03:40.23 | Stevie | It involves some sort of keymapping. |
| 03:40.33 | abrotman | xmodmap |
| 03:40.43 | freeone3000 | WHere are my nice little .xmodmap and .xinitrc files? |
| 03:40.46 | chealer9 | itguy: itguy see man interfaces to learn about the file's format |
| 03:40.53 | abrotman | though i bet one of the stupid kde applets let's you do it |
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| 03:41.22 | veamos | chealer9: how do I turn ir enabled? |
| 03:41.34 | itguy | chealer9: where can i get man interface |
| 03:41.42 | kspath | Steveie: whereis |
| 03:41.49 | freeone3000 | itguy: Just type 'man man'... |
| 03:41.50 | veamos | it |
| 03:41.52 | Stevie | whereis ? |
| 03:41.53 | chealer9 | itguy: in a shell, issue the command $ man interfaces |
| 03:41.53 | dvm1981 | itguy: In an shell an type 'man interface' |
| 03:41.59 | Stevie | i'm not familiar with whereis |
| 03:42.08 | freeone3000 | 'find' isn't giving me anything useful.. passed it to grep. |
| 03:42.19 | Stevie | i asked dpkg and it told me something about ireland |
| 03:42.19 | freeone3000 | I mean, passed the output, and it isn't giving me anything. |
| 03:42.31 | kspath | Stevie: type: whereis clue |
| 03:42.31 | abrotman | holy shit .. try ls |
| 03:42.33 | dvm1981 | freeone3000: And with 'locate'? |
| 03:42.36 | Stevie | find . -name '.xmodmap' |
| 03:42.47 | dvm1981 | Right |
| 03:42.53 | chealer9 | veamos: it depends on which card you're using. if you're using an NVIDIA card, you'll have to use the proprietary nvidia graphics driver |
| 03:42.55 | Stevie | kspath: *koff* If only I had a working installation to try that on. |
| 03:43.09 | Atomo64 | Stevie: and the last question (of the day, almost ;)) how can I make KDE show in 1024x768 because I have setup the x-server to support that screen size... but when I open KDE, it loads on 800x600 mode and the only other option is 640x480, do you have any idea? |
| 03:43.13 | freeone3000 | That one's giving me nothing... trying locate. |
| 03:43.17 | veamos | and whee can I get it? |
| 03:43.19 | Stevie | I have no idea. |
| 03:43.20 | veamos | where |
| 03:43.21 | kspath | Stevie: I believe the English is COUGH |
| 03:43.26 | abrotman | Atomo64: which driver are you using? |
| 03:43.35 | deadcat | in order to use the .xvg icons from my icon theme. what packages do i need? |
| 03:43.35 | Stevie | I believe I typed *koff* |
| 03:43.40 | abrotman | kspath: apparently the college that Stevie went to sucks as well :) |
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| 03:43.52 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: Read the file '/etc/X11/XFree86' |
| 03:44.07 | kspath | Edumakasion iz phree |
| 03:44.16 | Stevie | xphree? |
| 03:44.37 | veamos | chealer9: where can I get it, is it free? |
| 03:44.38 | Atomo64 | abrotman,dvm1981: knoppix choosed 'vesa' and it worked (800x600) so I put that config to the debian x-server one... (btw, I'm using sarge and KDE 3.3) but my chipset is a VIA one... |
| 03:44.40 | dominicano | dvm1981, hi! |
| 03:44.43 | dominicano | Hi all |
| 03:44.59 | abrotman | Atomo64: that's why .. |
| 03:45.08 | ansong | Atomo64, isn't there a via unichrome driver? |
| 03:45.08 | Atomo64 | abrotman:...? |
| 03:45.09 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: 'vesa' works with the most video cards. |
| 03:45.20 | abrotman | Atomo64: vesa only goes up to 800x600 |
| 03:45.21 | chealer9 | veamos: it's only free as in beer |
| 03:45.22 | freeone3000 | Video card drivers are free from the video card manufacturer's website in almost all cases. |
| 03:45.27 | chealer9 | !tell veamos about ngd |
| 03:45.37 | abrotman | freeone3000: wrong kind of free . those drivers suck monkey dick |
| 03:45.37 | godmachine81 | is anyone here familiar with creox, jack-it, or any other sound input software that works well with debian? i have a guitar setup and I am wanting to send my input into my soundcard and output it to my surround sound.. I need some software that will let me add effects and stuff to my guitars sound.. anyone have any ideas? |
| 03:45.48 | Atomo64 | ansong, yes, but I had a lot of problems trying to use it... 'no monitors found' |
| 03:45.51 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: Why you not try the setup in Debian and keep his config file ? |
| 03:46.12 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 03:46.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge> |
| 03:46.27 | Atomo64 | dvm1981, when I tried to use the via driver I had a lot of problems trying to use it... 'no monitors found' |
| 03:46.31 | ootput | hi guys, can any of you help me with printing with lyx? |
| 03:46.34 | veamos | that's stupid. I paid for my video card. |
| 03:46.37 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: I understand that the first time when you try to setup, that it looks complicate, but it's really easy to setup |
| 03:46.38 | ansong | Atomo64, thats the best bet you can get... or you could d/l the latest knoppix live cd. and then copy the info from it's xserver config |
| 03:46.45 | ootput | which is the right command (read: newest) for lyx? |
| 03:46.59 | abrotman | godmachine81: there's a program that does that .. |
| 03:47.03 | Atomo64 | ansong: that's what I did! |
| 03:47.15 | Atomo64 | ansong, that's why I'm surprised... |
| 03:47.19 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: Ok, try to setup it, if you fail, paste you're config on pastebin or so, so that we could support you |
| 03:47.35 | dvm1981 | !pastebin |
| 03:47.36 | dpkg | i heard pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or check out http://securelabs.zapto.org/~pureone/src/pastebin.c if your stuck in console only |
| 03:47.45 | godmachine81 | abrotman: i tried creox, but it doest do exactly what i want it to |
| 03:47.53 | Atomo64 | dvm1981, but then I would have to reboot, isn't it? |
| 03:47.59 | godmachine81 | abrotman: can you help me find the proggy i need? |
| 03:48.08 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: Is that an problem to reboot ? |
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| 03:48.25 | abrotman | godmachine81: i can't remember where i saw it :) |
| 03:48.36 | freeone3000 | What's the command to get the key pressed? |
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| 03:48.53 | dvm1981 | lineakd ? |
| 03:48.54 | godmachine81 | abrotman: it wasnt creox was it? |
| 03:49.04 | abrotman | godmachine81: stompboxes .. i think was it |
| 03:49.16 | abrotman | godmachine81: http://freshmeat.net/projects/stompboxes/ |
| 03:49.18 | godmachine81 | stompboxes? |
| 03:49.21 | godmachine81 | ok |
| 03:49.23 | godmachine81 | thanks |
| 03:49.31 | Atomo64 | dvm1981, hmmm, no, hehe |
| 03:49.47 | abrotman | godmachine81: looks abandoned? |
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| 03:50.10 | Atomo64 | dvm1981, so a 'dpkg -reconfigure xfree86'? |
| 03:50.24 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: Read the file '/etc/X11/XFree86' |
| 03:50.29 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 03:50.29 | godmachine81 | what looks abandoned? |
| 03:50.33 | abrotman | stompboxes |
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| 03:50.56 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: cat '/etc/X11/XFree86' | less |
| 03:51.17 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: Sorry, cat /etc/X11/XFree86 | less |
| 03:51.49 | dvm1981 | Not good, i tcheck that path |
| 03:51.50 | deadcat | 1981? |
| 03:51.52 | Atomo64 | dvm1981, it would be XFree86-4 |
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| 03:51.58 | Stevie | Some crazy people might try 'less /etc/X11/XFree86' |
| 03:52.18 | deadcat | crazy |
| 03:52.24 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: Yep, i forget always his name. Use tha 'Tab' completing, and that would help :-) |
| 03:52.29 | Stevie | That's what I said |
| 03:52.35 | jetscreamer | XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 03:53.04 | deadcat | jetscreamer: maybe hes using the one before -4 |
| 03:53.10 | deadcat | the really old one |
| 03:53.29 | Stevie | Would that be -3, or -2, or -1? |
| 03:53.41 | Atomo64 | dvm1981, what does 'less' does? |
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| 03:53.43 | freeone3000 | Oh, yay, it says that I may not have joystick support included in my kernel. Does that mean I get to build my own? |
| 03:53.46 | Stevie | !less |
| 03:53.46 | dpkg | i guess less is more than more, more or less, or less than more, or a convenient paging mechanism, or less |
| 03:53.49 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: Try it! |
| 03:53.59 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: With it, and without it... |
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| 03:54.14 | deadcat | Atomo64: time to do some intro to unix howto... really |
| 03:54.16 | freeone3000 | !more |
| 03:54.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, more is less, or more, or less more or less |
| 03:54.20 | Stevie | Personally I like: less -+C -M |
| 03:54.27 | _joey | what line do I add in fstab to automatically mount/umount fs during boot? |
| 03:54.36 | Stevie | auto |
| 03:54.39 | Stevie | in the options |
| 03:54.49 | _joey | and that 's all ? |
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| 03:54.53 | Stevie | I believe so |
| 03:55.00 | Atomo64 | dvm1981, couldn't you just tell me it was an editor? I had to apt-it |
| 03:55.01 | Stevie | you can try: man fstab |
| 03:55.02 | dominicano | Personally i pfreffer more |
| 03:55.08 | Stevie | it's not an editor |
| 03:55.10 | Atomo64 | deadcat, yeah... |
| 03:55.10 | Stevie | it's a pager |
| 03:55.20 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: Or use 'more', but not so nice |
| 03:55.25 | Atomo64 | Stevie: whatever.. it is easier with kWriter |
| 03:55.27 | Stevie | and I still don't understand why it's not installed as part of the debian base system, really... |
| 03:55.35 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: Yes, you must install it 'apt-get install less' |
| 03:55.36 | Atomo64 | *KWrite |
| 03:55.42 | Stevie | not Kate? |
| 03:55.46 | abrotman | Stevie: it's not needed |
| 03:55.58 | Stevie | neither is more, but more's in there, isn't it? |
| 03:56.14 | Atomo64 | Stevie: Kate... Vim... KWrite... whatever! (personally I prefer nano ;)) |
| 03:56.27 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: less - Pager program similar to more |
| 03:56.31 | abrotman | godmachine81: any good ? |
| 03:56.33 | Stevie | And how many people use dd every day? |
| 03:56.45 | Atomo64 | Stevie, what, nano? |
| 03:57.05 | dvm1981 | Kate is the next generation of Kwrite. True ?? |
| 03:57.05 | Atomo64 | or 'dd' is a cmd? |
| 03:57.16 | Stevie | dd is a command. One not to be used lightly. |
| 03:57.19 | Atomo64 | btw, what does 'cat' does? |
| 03:57.23 | Terat0gen | deedee |
| 03:57.23 | abrotman | Stevie: tell you what .. don't like it .. file a fucking bug .. stop whining |
| 03:57.23 | godmachine81 | abrotman: im reading the doc files for it now.. i have it downloaded.. ill let ya know in a min if everything goes well :D |
| 03:57.36 | abrotman | godmachine81: ah ok |
| 03:57.38 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: 'man less' |
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| 03:58.10 | Atomo64 | dvm1981: sorry... I forgot that... those non-X days... |
| 03:58.14 | freeone3000 | Better than the 'man man' thing. |
| 03:58.17 | ke6isf | abrotman: Can I pick your brain for some Mailman help? |
| 03:58.27 | deadcat | Atomo64: search "basic unix howto" online and read those. |
| 03:58.29 | abrotman | ke6isf: you can try |
| 03:58.30 | akant | Is anyone here using Bacula in a production environement? |
| 03:58.38 | deadcat | akant: no |
| 03:58.43 | godmachine81 | abrotman: do you happen to have an nvidia snd card that you use the svideo out to watch movies on your tv with? |
| 03:58.56 | abrotman | godmachine81: no .. nvidia is the devil :) |
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| 03:59.11 | ke6isf | abrotman: We-ll, I can't seem to get Mailman to actually mail out. I can post to a list and not get an error, but that's where the story seems to end. Where should I look for log files to debug, and what more would you need to know what's going on? |
| 03:59.16 | Atomo64 | deadcat: yeah... maybe someday when I finally install the zend studio... |
| 03:59.21 | godmachine81 | im fixing to fix my xorg config file to let me watch my movies on tv and let me use my computer without bothering the movie |
| 03:59.26 | godmachine81 | thought u might be experienced |
| 03:59.27 | godmachine81 | heh |
| 03:59.27 | Stevie | akant: UPN was using Bakula in a production environment for a while... but then they cancelled Enterprise |
| 03:59.31 | abrotman | ke6isf: you get no errors? |
| 03:59.59 | abrotman | ke6isf: the mail goes to the list .. gets archived .. but never goes out ? |
| 04:00.00 | ke6isf | abrotman: Nothing comes up in the mail. |
| 04:00.08 | godmachine81 | first im gonna try this stompboxes thing.. and if i get it fixed my next project is going to be the x config |
| 04:00.10 | ke6isf | abrotman: As near as I can tell, it's not even being archived. |
| 04:00.14 | curt | when I select multiple file in nautilus and try and open them, inevitably some don't open. |
| 04:00.22 | abrotman | ke6isf: but you're sure it's getting to the listserv? |
| 04:00.23 | ke6isf | abrotman: Syslog seems to say that it's been sent out to the list though. |
| 04:00.32 | abrotman | ke6isf: with postfix? |
| 04:00.35 | kspath | godmachine81: Are you or have you ever lived in Texas? |
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| 04:00.50 | ke6isf | abrotman: Yeah. *Fairly* sure. Postfix registers the alias, and has all success in running the command, but that's it. |
| 04:01.01 | Stevie | you could always strace postfix |
| 04:01.05 | abrotman | ke6isf: so you added the aliases and ran newaliases? |
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| 04:01.35 | ke6isf | abrotman: Yes, I did. The pointer to the Mailman alias file is included in main.cf and everything. |
| 04:01.57 | abrotman | ke6isf: does regular mail? |
| 04:02.01 | veamos | I've installed kernel 2.6.8-2-686. and now I can't access my cd devices. can anybody help me? |
| 04:02.10 | ke6isf | abrotman: ...does regular mail get through? Yes. |
| 04:02.10 | curt | like I selected 24 jpg files and open them with gimp, only about 10 or so actually open even though it ask me if I am sure I want to open all 24 at once |
| 04:02.15 | Stevie | veamos: sounds like a devfs type issue |
| 04:02.32 | veamos | so? |
| 04:02.52 | ke6isf | veamos: What are the symptoms? What version of Debian? |
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| 04:03.01 | ke6isf | Stevie: Insufficient data. Need more information from the user. |
| 04:03.08 | abrotman | ke6isf: so like `cat /etc/services | mail user@otherhost.com` works ? |
| 04:03.09 | veamos | 3.1-r1 sarge |
| 04:03.28 | Stevie | I need hardly any information from the user in order to formulate a wild guess. |
| 04:03.36 | ke6isf | abrotman: Yes, it does. Mail on this server has been humming along since I installed Sarge in June. |
| 04:03.38 | GoAuLd | veamos that kernel is well known to be buggy, i recommend you install another one |
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| 04:03.51 | veamos | first I had kenel 2.4 383. and it worked fine |
| 04:03.53 | abrotman | ke6isf: if you look in postqueue .. do you see them ? |
| 04:03.53 | liable | huh? |
| 04:03.59 | ke6isf | abrotman: Hang on. |
| 04:04.09 | Stevie | Ah, the famous 80383 processor. |
| 04:04.10 | abrotman | GoAuLd: why are you telling lies? |
| 04:04.23 | GoAuLd | its not lies |
| 04:04.25 | godmachine81 | weird |
| 04:04.28 | ke6isf | GoAuLd: What source of information are you getting this from, that a kernel in Sarge is buggy? |
| 04:04.29 | veamos | now I'm running kernel 2.6 386 and is the same than 686 |
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| 04:04.35 | godmachine81 | abrotman: i downloaded the tar file of stompbox |
| 04:04.41 | Atomo64 | btw... dooes anybody knows why when I try to execute the .bin Zend Studio ... it just doesn't do anything? when I use KDE, right click, properties it says that it is 'size: 0B (0)' but on the .tar.gz it uses 88.8MB |
| 04:04.42 | abrotman | GoAuLd: odd .. since i use it on dozens of machines without issue |
| 04:04.42 | godmachine81 | and when i try to compile it i get this stuff |
| 04:04.49 | godmachine81 | checking for gtk-config... no |
| 04:04.49 | godmachine81 | checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.0... no |
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| 04:04.55 | abrotman | you need -dev packages |
| 04:05.19 | GoAuLd | i know a lot of people (and myself) having a lot of problems with dvd recorders and 2.6.8 kernel |
| 04:05.22 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: You're in 'Knoppix' not? |
| 04:05.22 | veamos | how can I remove a package completly? apt-get remove --purge package ? |
| 04:05.31 | dvm1981 | yep |
| 04:05.44 | abrotman | GoAuLd: that makes it buggy? does your system crash? eat data? kill babies? |
| 04:05.44 | Atomo64 | dvm1981: no, debian sarge 3.1 with all the recent updates (from main and security) |
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| 04:06.13 | ke6isf | abrotman: Nothing in the queue - not even in the deferral tree. |
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| 04:06.19 | dn4 | how do I zip all current files in directory ./project |
| 04:06.23 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: If the size are 0, sure there is a little problem |
| 04:06.38 | ke6isf | GoAuLd: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 04:06.44 | Atomo64 | dvm1981, what kind of problem it could be? |
| 04:06.46 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: Sure that you have been good extracted that tar file ? |
| 04:06.50 | GoAuLd | Etch |
| 04:07.11 | Ts0p | !tell dn4 zip |
| 04:07.22 | godmachine81 | abrotman: u think u can help me here |
| 04:07.24 | godmachine81 | or someone |
| 04:07.25 | abrotman | i think a kernel to be buggy when it randomly crashes .. but wtf do i know |
| 04:07.31 | abrotman | godmachine81: i told you .. you need -dev packages |
| 04:07.36 | abrotman | godmachine81: sarge? |
| 04:07.37 | Atomo64 | dvm1981: if opening the .tar.gz with konqueror, then copy the file and then paste it outside is not 'good' then tell me how |
| 04:07.40 | ke6isf | !tell godmachine81 -about u |
| 04:07.46 | Atomo64 | *is not enough |
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| 04:07.58 | Ts0p | !tell dn4 .tar.gz |
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| 04:07.59 | dn4 | ahh figuredit out |
| 04:08.00 | abrotman | this is like sunday .. but not |
| 04:08.02 | GoAuLd | all right |
| 04:08.03 | ke6isf | Atomo64: Why are you using a web browser to open a tarball? |
| 04:08.04 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: Hoela, you're crazy :-/ |
| 04:08.06 | dn4 | Ts0p, thank you I figuredit out |
| 04:08.06 | ke6isf | !always sunday |
| 04:08.06 | abrotman | Ts0p: stop fucking with the bot |
| 04:08.07 | dpkg | Just as it's always September, somewhere, out on the internet, it's always Sunday here in #debian. |
| 04:08.09 | godmachine81 | oh i thought you was telling someone else that |
| 04:08.14 | abrotman | godmachine81: sarge? |
| 04:08.21 | godmachine81 | im in sid |
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| 04:08.29 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: Right click on it, then action or so, the extract to, i not use KDE |
| 04:08.32 | Atomo64 | ke6isf: it is the default KDE disk browser... |
| 04:08.34 | ke6isf | godmachine81: ...WTF are you doing using SID?! |
| 04:08.36 | abrotman | !info libgtk1.2-dev |
| 04:08.47 | Ts0p | abrotman sorry |
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| 04:08.56 | Atomo64 | dvm1981: can I use ark? |
| 04:09.13 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: It's with ark he do not ? |
| 04:09.26 | godmachine81 | ke6isf: because i like a lot of the newer software that sarge doesnt use |
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| 04:09.42 | godmachine81 | ke6isf: and sid has been very stable for me |
| 04:09.46 | abrotman | ke6isf: and the mail for the list shows up in the logs .. but it never goes out/ |
| 04:09.48 | abrotman | ? |
| 04:09.53 | ke6isf | abrotman: That's correct, yes. |
| 04:10.03 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 04:10.03 | dpkg | hola |
| 04:10.13 | abrotman | godmachine81: package name is libgtk1.2-dev |
| 04:10.15 | ke6isf | abrotman: It just kind of...well, drops out to /dev/null or something. |
| 04:10.17 | abrotman | or 2.9 |
| 04:10.19 | Atomo64 | dvm1981: extracted using ark... |
| 04:10.19 | abrotman | err 2.0 |
| 04:10.22 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: If you use KDE, there is a litte thing that help, the menu when you click with the right mouse button on that compressed file. |
| 04:10.28 | ke6isf | !sid |
| 04:10.28 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 04:10.29 | abrotman | ke6isf: that might be a good hint :) |
| 04:10.31 | godmachine81 | # uptime |
| 04:10.31 | godmachine81 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.39 | dpkg | libgtk1.2-dev: (Development files for the GIMP Toolkit), section oldlibs, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-18 (sid), Packaged size: 1143 kB, Installed size: 3704 kB |
| 04:10.45 | abrotman | # uptime |
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| 04:10.55 | ke6isf | godmachine81: Do you have the skill, as dpkg there explains, to work your way out of issues when they crop up? |
| 04:11.06 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.08 | ke6isf | !tell godmachine81 -about paste |
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| 04:11.10 | Atomo64 | dvm1981, wtf. now it loads... |
| 04:11.24 | UrbaNomad | hello |
| 04:11.27 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: Great! |
| 04:11.32 | dvm1981 | Hello |
| 04:11.34 | UrbaNomad | i386 == x86? |
| 04:11.42 | dvm1981 | or 486 |
| 04:11.48 | dvm1981 | and so on... |
| 04:11.53 | ke6isf | UrbaNomad: Yep. |
| 04:11.53 | abrotman | UrbaNomad: yes |
| 04:12.06 | abrotman | ke6isf: why does your mail go to /dev/null |
| 04:12.12 | Atomo64 | dvm1981: wtf... I'm out of space... f* 4GB HDD |
| 04:12.18 | UrbaNomad | thanks |
| 04:12.20 | godmachine81 | ke6isf: your on me bad arent ya? i just put 2 simple lines to show you my uptime i dont think that woulda been something worth pastebin'ing |
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| 04:12.28 | ke6isf | abrotman: It isn't. I don't know *where* the list mail is going. |
| 04:12.39 | ke6isf | godmachine81: Just a reflex. Sorry 'bout that. |
| 04:12.55 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: Remove that bloated KDE, so that you left more space. Try 'Fluxbox' and ... |
| 04:13.05 | ke6isf | abrotman: I'm presuming mailman can be strace'd? |
| 04:13.15 | liable | hola! |
| 04:13.22 | golly | hey guys where do I put a script so that it executes once upon logon? |
| 04:13.32 | abrotman | for everyone? |
| 04:13.40 | Atomo64 | dvm1981.... no, I'm not going to use any other desktop while I don't learn some things... and anyway, icevm is smaller than fluxbox anyway ;) |
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| 04:13.49 | ke6isf | abrotman: No, just the list. User mail is working just fine. |
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| 04:14.17 | abrotman | ke6isf: that "for everyone?" was for golly |
| 04:14.22 | ke6isf | abrotman: ...news flash, interesting development. The "Mailman" list is fully functional. |
| 04:14.26 | ke6isf | abrotman: nvm. =^^+ |
| 04:14.26 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: But with using things that where you must click the whole time. It's sure, you're not going to learn something |
| 04:14.32 | golly | abrotman: yeah |
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| 04:14.39 | abrotman | ke6isf: tbh ... i know they tell you to setup a mailman list .. i've never done it |
| 04:14.52 | ke6isf | abrotman: tbh? |
| 04:14.58 | abrotman | !tbh |
| 04:14.58 | dpkg | To Be Honest |
| 04:15.00 | golly | abrotman: well.....I suppose it'd be good to know both everyone and root |
| 04:15.12 | abrotman | golly: /etc/profile is one place |
| 04:15.28 | Atomo64 | dvm1981... hmmm, dunno, maybe I should just drop this f* old HDD and buy a new one... btw, talking about this... do I have to make any change on debian if I move the current data to a new HDD? |
| 04:15.57 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: Try to use an other Desktop environment where you must for example manually mount you partition. So you learn al that. |
| 04:15.58 | dvm1981 | B |
| 04:16.18 | curt | abrotman, if uptime says 8 users in the last 9 days could that be ip/user combinations? Like just me ssh'ing from work with dynamic ip? |
| 04:16.20 | ke6isf | I need to eat. I always geek better on a full stomach. |
| 04:16.21 | dvm1981 | No, just copy the data on the new one and 'klaar is Kees' |
| 04:16.23 | golly | abrotman: don't have etc/profile |
| 04:16.30 | Atomo64 | dvm1981, I know how to mount and 'umount' whatever I want |
| 04:16.31 | abrotman | curt: could be |
| 04:16.34 | abrotman | golly: yes you do |
| 04:16.43 | abrotman | golly: /etc/profile |
| 04:16.45 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: It's an example ... |
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| 04:17.39 | liable | Atomo64: /msg dpkg hard drive upgrade |
| 04:17.46 | golly | abrotman: ah yes, sorry I thought you mean a folder |
| 04:17.47 | Atomo64 | dvm1981, I know... wtf... I will have to go to winbugs open PM8 and change the disk size |
| 04:17.52 | dvm1981 | ke6isf: Eat good, he ;-) |
| 04:18.16 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: You have some troubles with ...wtf ...? |
| 04:18.28 | abrotman | ke6isf: so the mailman list works .. but the rest don't? |
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| 04:18.37 | ke6isf | abrotman: Precisely. |
| 04:18.44 | abrotman | ke6isf: are they moderated? .. did you let the mail pass through? |
| 04:19.12 | ke6isf | abrotman: One such list is announce-only, but it's possible that I flagged the address to just outright discard. Lemme check something. |
| 04:19.28 | Atomo64 | liable, I mean... if after copying the HDD (I would use something like ghost) I have to change anything on debian settings, or it is not just like winbugs |
| 04:19.33 | Atomo64 | dvm1981, w? |
| 04:19.49 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: You repeat it and use it many time. wtf |
| 04:20.18 | ke6isf | abrotman: Oh, THIS is good. One hostname won't even call up all of the advertised lists |
| 04:20.21 | concept10 | im freaking pissed!!!!! |
| 04:20.35 | Atomo64 | dvm1981, sorry... I'm just a lttl bt tired |
| 04:20.37 | abrotman | at least you're not pissed on |
| 04:20.39 | liable | Atomo64: just use cp, read what dpkg tells you, and no, unless you use a different controller, nothing needs to be changed. |
| 04:20.41 | abrotman | ke6isf: this is bad? |
| 04:20.47 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: It's looks off... |
| 04:20.56 | concept10 | abrotman, cant be pissed on |
| 04:21.02 | ootput | excessive .'s |
| 04:21.02 | abrotman | concept10: yes you can |
| 04:21.04 | ke6isf | abrotman: Maybe not catastrophic, but not behaving as expected. |
| 04:21.09 | Atomo64 | dvm1981, btw what does it means the message 'Konsole closed with status 1' ? |
| 04:21.19 | curt | concept10, i've seen it happen |
| 04:21.23 | concept10 | abrotman, yeah, if someone wants to die |
| 04:21.33 | abrotman | ke6isf: i can tell you .. i've setup mailman in sarge a few times .. never done the Mailman list .. but it's always worked as long as i put the alias stuff in |
| 04:21.39 | liable | golden showers? |
| 04:21.45 | Atomo64 | liable, ok... first I have to buy a new HDD ;) |
| 04:21.45 | ke6isf | abrotman: I can go through another domain name, and it shows the advertised lists. |
| 04:21.47 | abrotman | drunken idiots |
| 04:21.52 | ootput | may flowers |
| 04:22.00 | ke6isf | abrotman: Well... is there a config file somewhere that I can tweak by hand? |
| 04:22.26 | liable | who? |
| 04:22.29 | abrotman | ke6isf: to do what? |
| 04:22.34 | Atomo64 | !apt help |
| 04:22.37 | Atomo64 | lol |
| 04:22.39 | dvm1981 | Atomo64: I not know, |
| 04:23.15 | apt-get | dvm1981, now you can send me a cmd, ;) |
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| 04:23.26 | deadcat | ls |
| 04:23.28 | deadcat | ^^ |
| 04:23.36 | dvm1981 | format $M |
| 04:23.42 | PiCkSiE | apt-get help me i dont know how to set an option xD |
| 04:23.42 | PiCkSiE | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 04:23.42 | PiCkSiE | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 04:23.49 | dvm1981 | It's looks not work |
| 04:23.51 | Stevie | I recognize that error |
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| 04:23.53 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 04:23.53 | dpkg | it has been said that e2fsprogs loop is you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:23.55 | ke6isf | abrotman: Hard to explain in one go, but lemme give it a shot. If I access the web interface at "kimba.chez-vrolet.net" (or simply "kimba", as "chez-vrolet.net" is a search domain in my resolv.conf), it only pulls up one list. If I just do "chez-vrolet.net/url/to/iface", it pulls in the other lists. This is not, to me, the "correct" behavior. |
| 04:23.58 | abrotman | PiCkSiE: ^^ |
| 04:24.16 | apt-get | too many ppl saying my nick... |
| 04:24.23 | PiCkSiE | abrotman :) |
| 04:24.32 | Stevie | haha |
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| 04:24.36 | deadcat | because you're a dumbass.. |
| 04:24.36 | PiCkSiE | dpkg 10x |
| 04:24.37 | dpkg | i heard 10x is TEN times? Why not just do it once, properly? |
| 04:24.45 | Atomo64 | well, going to try to setup the x-server with the via driver |
| 04:24.50 | PiCkSiE | hahahaa |
| 04:24.51 | godmachine81 | abrotman: are you in sarge? |
| 04:24.54 | PiCkSiE | 10q ? |
| 04:24.56 | abrotman | godmachine81: etch .. why? |
| 04:24.58 | Atomo64 | dpkg apt-get |
| 04:24.58 | dpkg | apt-get is, like, the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me about ... |
| 04:25.02 | morfeu | Hi all! anyone here knows any program to reorder patition number? |
| 04:25.21 | godmachine81 | abrotman: i think there is a deb package for stompboxes in the sarge repos but it isnt in sid |
| 04:25.23 | ke6isf | Who is all? |
| 04:25.31 | morfeu | hehhehe |
| 04:25.32 | abrotman | godmachine81: check at pdo.debian.net |
| 04:25.33 | Atomo64 | dpkg all |
| 04:25.33 | dpkg | All: no such nick/channel. Just ask your question, please - ask me about <ask>. a brand of laundry detergent in the United States, and it's not expected that this will answer, either. |
| 04:25.35 | dondelelcaro | morfeu: why would you bother to do that? |
| 04:25.36 | morfeu | everyone |
| 04:25.40 | abrotman | Atomo64: /msg dpkg hi |
| 04:25.46 | ke6isf | !tell morfeu -about all |
| 04:26.23 | Atomo64 | dpkg say hello to everybody |
| 04:26.23 | dpkg | hello to everybody |
| 04:26.28 | Atomo64 | lol |
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| 04:26.45 | liable | dont abuse the poor little bot. |
| 04:26.49 | ke6isf | Atomo64: You might want to do that in #debian-bots |
| 04:26.50 | morfeu | i changed the partition number and everything stopped working |
| 04:27.02 | morfeu | almost everything |
| 04:27.09 | abrotman | ke6isf: are all the lists public ? |
| 04:27.29 | morfeu | dondelelcaro, do you know how to reorder? |
| 04:27.32 | ke6isf | abrotman: Not all of the lists. The one in particular I'm referring to is "users", which is for exactly this - my users. |
| 04:27.50 | Atomo64 | ke6isf: lol... just a simple !help and I got a lot of msgs |
| 04:27.54 | abrotman | but users is public ? |
| 04:28.00 | morfeu | i tried using parted and fdisk but they have such option |
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| 04:28.40 | Atomo64 | brb |
| 04:28.43 | ke6isf | abrotman: It's...well, not really. Hang on, though, I'm gonna look at something. |
| 04:28.51 | PiCkSiE | dpkg i r on vds from lycos.es the archive /etc/apt/sources.list have: deb http://mirrors.lycos-vds.com/debian/ stable main non-free contrib is correct? |
| 04:28.52 | dpkg | PiCkSiE: what are you talking about? |
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| 04:29.07 | abrotman | PiCkSiE: dpkg is a bot |
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| 04:29.09 | ke6isf | abrotman: OK, it seems to be this particular unadvertised list. |
| 04:29.14 | PiCkSiE | l000000l |
| 04:29.22 | ke6isf | !tell PiCkSiE -about lol |
| 04:29.34 | morfeu | anyone knows a program to reorder the partition numbers? |
| 04:29.35 | abrotman | we don't even have a l0l |
| 04:29.38 | dondelelcaro | morfeu: partitions are numbered in the order in which they appear in the partition table; there's no point in changing their number, since you can mount any arbitrary partition anywhere. |
| 04:30.07 | ke6isf | abrotman: The advertised lists are, as I just now realized, working as expected. |
| 04:30.16 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 04:30.23 | morfeu | dondelelcaro, so how do change sich order? |
| 04:30.33 | morfeu | do i... |
| 04:30.37 | Stevie | Speaking of partitions, I'm having a fight with the debian installer's partition editor |
| 04:30.39 | dondelelcaro | morfeu: you don't, unless you format the drive and repartition it. |
| 04:30.48 | godmachine81 | abrotman: this doesnt make sense.. i found this site that shows a log of how many people downloaded a package off of the debian repos and it shows stompboxes listed.. and it says only 1 person downloaded it.. but then when i look at that search for package page.. it doesnt find stompboxes in any of the the older and testing releases... |
| 04:30.51 | dondelelcaro | Stevie: use fdisk if you don't like the partition editor.. |
| 04:30.54 | morfeu | dondelelcaro, yes i do, beacuse i did |
| 04:31.09 | morfeu | dondelelcaro, there is a MAC program pdisk |
| 04:31.14 | ke6isf | morfeu: Well, why did you change the partition order? |
| 04:31.25 | dvm1981 | morfeu: You not understand it or so what the people have say you? |
| 04:31.38 | morfeu | dondelelcaro, this program can cha nge it |
| 04:32.01 | dondelelcaro | morfeu: it just changes the order in the partition table; a macintosh partition table is totally different from an IA32 one. |
| 04:32.04 | abrotman | godmachine81: if the packages was called 'stompboxes' .. i can't find it anywhere? .. it doesn't compile ? |
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| 04:32.08 | dondelelcaro | (or rather, a DOS partition table) |
| 04:32.08 | curt | Are we all speaking English in here? |
| 04:32.24 | ke6isf | curt: parlez vous francais? =^_^= |
| 04:32.26 | abrotman | curt: i try .. |
| 04:32.26 | dondelelcaro | curt: who knows? If you're not speaking english, you're in the wrong place... |
| 04:32.28 | dvm1981 | curt: With some errno's ? |
| 04:32.47 | morfeu | dondelelcaro, windows partition magic (ARGH) does it to... |
| 04:32.53 | curt | abrotman, I try too. |
| 04:33.04 | dondelelcaro | morfeu: no, it doesn't, unless it physically reorders the partitions on the drive. |
| 04:33.17 | dvm1981 | morfeu: The simples one, delete all the partition, and try from the begin, and do it good. |
| 04:33.35 | dondelelcaro | morfeu: but you still haven't answered my simple question: Why do you care what number the partitions get? |
| 04:33.37 | dvm1981 | errno again :-/ |
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| 04:34.34 | godmachine81 | abrotman: i successfully got it configured. but when i ran make it came up with some errors.. i installed that libgtk -dev pkg too.. i dont know what it is now |
| 04:34.48 | abrotman | godmachine81: what is the make error ? |
| 04:35.03 | abrotman | though .. i bet it's not gcc4 clean |
| 04:35.09 | godmachine81 | make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 |
| 04:35.15 | abrotman | !paste |
| 04:35.15 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 04:35.40 | dondelelcaro | morfeu: 1) do not /msg people without permission; 2) the fact that it changed doesn't explain why you care that it changed. |
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| 04:35.55 | morfeu | dvm1981, unfortunatly i cant delete |
| 04:35.55 | abrotman | !tell ItGuy about root |
| 04:35.58 | godmachine81 | that is one error abrotman |
| 04:36.07 | abrotman | godmachine81: paste them somewhere |
| 04:36.11 | abrotman | !tell freeone3000 about away |
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| 04:36.24 | morfeu | dondelelcaro, sorry i didnt meant to flood everynode |
| 04:36.24 | godmachine81 | abrotman: ill just paste the whole make process to a pastebin ok? |
| 04:36.26 | ke6isf | godmachine81: That error means that during the make process, somewhere, something happened that made the make end. |
| 04:36.30 | abrotman | godmachine81: good plan |
| 04:37.14 | morfeu | dondelelcaro, i had a Mac x386 installed and a Windows XP tha stopped working |
| 04:37.21 | nailchipper | abrotman: dependable abrotman. it wouldn't be #debian with out you here |
| 04:37.29 | morfeu | Mac OS |
| 04:37.44 | morfeu | x86 |
| 04:37.52 | ke6isf | nailchipper: I'm curious, what would it be without abrotman? =^_^= |
| 04:38.05 | abrotman | a lot less cursing and less noisy |
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| 04:38.18 | ItGuY | !info kismet |
| 04:38.21 | dpkg | kismet: (Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool), section net, is optional. Version: 2005.08.R1-1.2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 921 kB, Installed size: 2204 kB |
| 04:38.40 | nailchipper | it would be like going #debiam and realizing you made a typo |
| 04:38.44 | dondelelcaro | morfeu: so set up the boot loader to boot off of the proper drive, and windows should be fine. Since you're using an unsuported OS on an x86 mac (does that even work?) good luck getting anyone to support it. |
| 04:38.47 | kspath | !stfu abrotman |
| 04:38.47 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP abrotman! |
| 04:38.52 | abrotman | yeah! |
| 04:39.07 | ItGuY | !find kismet |
| 04:39.10 | dpkg | kismet: (Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool), section net, is optional. Version: 2005.08.R1-1.2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 921 kB, Installed size: 2204 kB |
| 04:39.18 | dondelelcaro | ItGuY: you can /msg the bot |
| 04:39.25 | ke6isf | ItGuY: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 04:39.41 | godmachine81 | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1928 |
| 04:39.46 | morfeu | dondelelcaro, I changed lilio ok, but im talking about a notebookHP |
| 04:39.49 | ItGuY | dondelelcaro: ke6isf : trying to get kismet |
| 04:39.49 | morfeu | lilo |
| 04:40.01 | ke6isf | ItGuY: Just install it. |
| 04:40.14 | dondelelcaro | morfeu: windows doesn't care which entry it is; set up lilo to boot off of that device, and it'll boot. |
| 04:40.25 | abrotman | godmachine81: gcc -version |
| 04:40.28 | ItGuY | ke6isf: that what i'm trying to do ...get info on how to install it |
| 04:40.39 | ke6isf | ItGuY: ...um, 'apt-get install kismet', I'd suspect. |
| 04:40.42 | kspath | Nice cozy feeling in this channel with a nice warm cup of STFU. |
| 04:40.44 | abrotman | ItGuY: apt-cache search kismet .. do you see it ? |
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| 04:41.10 | godmachine81 | 4.0.3 abrotman |
| 04:41.16 | ItGuY | apt-cache search kismet |
| 04:41.23 | abrotman | godmachine81: it might not work with gcc4 .. |
| 04:41.28 | ItGuY | !apt-cache search kismet |
| 04:41.33 | morfeu | dondelelcaro, no it doesnt boot it cant find some "<Windows-install-path>/system32/xx.dll" |
| 04:41.39 | ke6isf | ItGuY: (hint: do this at a command line) |
| 04:41.39 | abrotman | ItGuY: on your own computer |
| 04:41.50 | godmachine81 | abrotman: why do u think it wont work? |
| 04:41.51 | ke6isf | ItGuY: (not here in the IRC channel) |
| 04:41.53 | ItGuY | duh |
| 04:42.05 | ItGuY | sorry guys....still learning |
| 04:42.09 | abrotman | godmachine81: because the code hasn't been updated in 2.5 years? :) |
| 04:42.23 | dondelelcaro | morfeu: uh, it's booting, but windows is screwed up. |
| 04:42.25 | morfeu | dondelelcaro, i think that this path is referenced directly, someway, from the partitiontable |
| 04:42.30 | dondelelcaro | morfeu: no, it's not. |
| 04:42.36 | dark_light | how can i make an dd with a progressbar? like wget |
| 04:42.40 | godmachine81 | abrotman: do you mean the gcc code or the stompboxes code? |
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| 04:43.02 | abrotman | stompboxes code |
| 04:43.08 | dondelelcaro | dark_light: send dd USER1's, and it'll output it's progress. |
| 04:43.11 | godmachine81 | shitt... |
| 04:43.33 | godmachine81 | well there has to be a debian package somewhere that does what stompboxes does... |
| 04:43.34 | morfeu | dondelelcaro, before reinstalling it i would want to change the order back just for sure |
| 04:43.54 | morfeu | dondelelcaro, so im trying to find such program |
| 04:43.54 | curt | godmachine81, there has got to be something else out there, did you have a look? |
| 04:43.59 | dark_light | dondelelcaro, USER1's? |
| 04:44.03 | dondelelcaro | dark_light: man kill |
| 04:44.14 | dondelelcaro | morfeu: there's no way to do it, and moreover, it can't help. |
| 04:44.25 | dark_light | oki |
| 04:44.28 | dondelelcaro | (beyond reformating the device) |
| 04:45.03 | morfeu | dondelelcaro, thanks... |
| 04:45.18 | dark_light | dondelelcaro, dd if=device of=device; killall USR1 dd ? |
| 04:45.20 | abrotman | godmachine81: apt-cache search guitar .. isn't that impressive |
| 04:45.20 | dvm1981 | morfeu: If you like it, look to 'The ultimate boot CD' and 'The system rescue CD' |
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| 04:45.54 | morfeu | dvm1981, thanks |
| 04:46.03 | godmachine81 | abrotman: there isnt anything on there tho |
| 04:46.05 | dondelelcaro | dark_light: just kill -USR1 $(pidof dd); or similar. [$$ may help you] |
| 04:46.10 | godmachine81 | i already tried that.... isnt that impressive? |
| 04:46.17 | godmachine81 | i tried that before i asked anything in here |
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| 04:46.37 | dvm1981 | morfeu: No thanks, needed ;-) I like to help (if help :-/) try to solve you're problem |
| 04:46.46 | abrotman | godmachine81: i know . . i was just pointing out .. not much there |
| 04:46.50 | kspath | dark_light:: info coreutils dd |
| 04:46.56 | dark_light | huuuuuum.. |
| 04:47.01 | ItGuY | abrotman: this is what i get |
| 04:47.07 | ItGuY | kismet - Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool |
| 04:47.12 | ItGuY | at76c503a-source - at76c503a driver source |
| 04:47.14 | shogunx | godmachine81 can you compile the source with an older compiler? |
| 04:47.26 | godmachine81 | ohh.. i thought you was trying to be a smart ass like a lot of people on irc by saying isnt that impressive like i didnt know you could search the repos like that lol |
| 04:47.49 | godmachine81 | shogunx: i havent tried to.. |
| 04:47.50 | ke6isf | ItGuY: I already told you, 'apt-get install kismet'. |
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| 04:48.00 | dvm1981 | ItGuY: You have do an search, great not ? |
| 04:48.08 | abrotman | ItGuY: so apt-get install kismet |
| 04:48.15 | dark_light | kspath, i was reading man dd, but i was looking only for options, not for the SIGUSR1 stuff |
| 04:48.22 | abrotman | godmachine81: me .. be a smartass .. NEVER! |
| 04:48.22 | curt | godmachine81, see http://linux-sound.org/one-page.html ctrl-f Effects Processors |
| 04:48.24 | dark_light | thanks dondelelcaro and kspath |
| 04:48.43 | shogunx | godmachine81 if you edit the makefile such that cc = gcc-3.0 or so, it might do the trick |
| 04:49.25 | liable | !reference |
| 04:49.26 | dpkg | reference is probably The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
| 04:49.27 | kspath | dark_light:: info coreutils dd has more information than regular man page |
| 04:49.28 | liable | ItGuY: ^^ |
| 04:49.30 | godmachine81 | shogunx ill try it |
| 04:49.36 | liable | ItGuY: read it. |
| 04:49.52 | abrotman | godmachine81: see if you have any other gcc's installed |
| 04:49.56 | kspath | well maybe not |
| 04:49.58 | kspath | hmmmm |
| 04:50.23 | dark_light | kspath, hmm.. yeah |
| 04:50.30 | shogunx | abrotman thats a good point. gcc-3.0 must actually be on the system for this approach to work. |
| 04:50.57 | abrotman | shogunx: and it would be 3.3 |
| 04:51.14 | dark_light | how can i make a "timer" that repeats the command every sec? only one "kill -USR1 $(pidof dd)" doesn't helped me to make something next to a progressbar |
| 04:51.36 | shogunx | abrotman i had to revert to a 3.0 to compile a patched up 2.4.20 kernel recently. is the app in question 3.3 vintage? |
| 04:51.55 | Ts0p | liable read what |
| 04:52.10 | abrotman | shogunx: stompboxes .. afaict .. not updated since 2004 |
| 04:52.14 | abrotman | err 2003 |
| 04:52.16 | liable | Ts0p: the reference link dpkg gave |
| 04:52.37 | kspath | dark_light: perl wrapper? script ? ; sleep Nseconds |
| 04:52.38 | shogunx | abrotman so 3.0 or 3.3 might work, eh? |
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| 04:52.50 | abrotman | if he's lucky :) |
| 04:52.55 | dark_light | Hmmm.. |
| 04:53.02 | kspath | dark_light: there are too many options to even imagine |
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| 04:53.11 | dark_light | kspath, yeah, sleep is a good choice :) |
| 04:53.22 | kspath | dark_light: you capture the data and present it how you want it |
| 04:53.44 | curt | There where about 10 or so other fX programs on that page... |
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| 04:53.56 | jkern | dark_light, put something like this is a script: kill -USR1 $(pidof dd); sleep 5; $0 |
| 04:54.04 | godmachine81 | abrotman and shogunx i got it fixed.. i changed the make to use gcc-3.3 and it worked well |
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| 04:54.12 | godmachine81 | thanks u all |
| 04:54.16 | godmachine81 | now i need to try the proggy out |
| 04:54.17 | shogunx | godmachine81 :) |
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| 04:54.26 | dark_light | $0? i though a while or for, jkern |
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| 04:55.01 | jkern | dark_light, well " $0 " just runs the script again |
| 04:55.24 | abrotman | godmachine81: does it actually run? |
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| 04:55.51 | dark_light | hmmmmmmm.. yeah:) |
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| 04:56.15 | jkern | dark_light, maybe better: source $0 |
| 04:56.20 | dark_light | maybe is good verify if there is any dd running |
| 04:56.44 | jkern | dark_light, you can tart it up just the way ya like it eh |
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| 04:57.02 | dark_light | :) thanks for the tips |
| 04:58.01 | darkraider | any tips on upgrading my kernel? I have 2.4.27-2-386 . I have never tryed to upgrade my kernel myself |
| 04:58.34 | _cyberass_ | . |
| 04:58.34 | dark_light | darkraider, there is some package named.. *searching |
| 04:58.47 | chealer9 | darkraider: use APT |
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| 04:59.02 | dark_light | kernel-image-2.6 i think |
| 04:59.22 | dark_light | if the package is kernel-image-2.6, you can just type aptitude install kernel-image-2.6 and then reboot your system |
| 04:59.34 | dark_light | (after installing it, of course) |
| 04:59.46 | darkraider | ill try that now |
| 05:00.23 | dark_light | wich process is named klogd? is it from kde? |
| 05:00.23 | dvm1981 | dark_light: Do an search - |
| 05:00.37 | dvm1981 | dark_light: 'apt-cache search kernel-image' |
| 05:00.58 | kspath | nite abrotman |
| 05:01.00 | dark_light | dvm1981, yeah:) i tried apt-cache pkgnames kernel |
| 05:01.43 | dvm1981 | dark_light: Not like i have say? |
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| 05:01.56 | deadcat | i am sick of those apache php and \099 |
| 05:01.58 | deadcat | stuff. |
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| 05:02.12 | deadcat | can i make apache to only allow /tmp and /config ? |
| 05:02.14 | dark_light | yes, but the question was made by darkraider |
| 05:02.34 | dvm1981 | dark_light: oeps ;-) |
| 05:02.51 | dark_light | i think kernel-image-2.6 is a virtual package to the current kernel, but maybe it is only on ubuntu (actually i am not on debian:) |
| 05:02.53 | dvm1981 | darkraider: Have you follow? |
| 05:03.14 | livingtm | su |
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| 05:04.15 | dvm1981 | livingtm: What mean you? |
| 05:04.26 | livingtm | wrong window sorry |
| 05:04.32 | dvm1981 | livingtm: Or forget to enter here the pass? |
| 05:04.36 | dvm1981 | :-/ |
| 05:04.43 | dvm1981 | Do not it, he |
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| 05:04.53 | darkraider | i am installing the kernel image and headers now |
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| 05:07.22 | godmachine81 | shogunx: well all that work and i still dont got the sound i need ... arghhhhh! |
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| 05:08.23 | grendal_prime | hey someone check this out |
| 05:08.29 | grendal_prime | http://www.corr.ca.gov/default.asp |
| 05:09.05 | grendal_prime | now its gonna error...but then download the page and read it with like...ummm well nano or whatever editor you like |
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| 05:09.39 | dvm1981 | grendal_prime: You are on the wrong place to ask that question |
| 05:09.46 | fusion | Anyone here installed CPanel on Debian Sarge? |
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| 05:10.19 | grendal_prime | im currious what would cause that to happen |
| 05:10.30 | grendal_prime | dvm1981, where would you suggest i go? |
| 05:10.54 | dvm1981 | grendal_prime: It's a product of M$ ? |
| 05:11.38 | grendal_prime | ya its erroring and spitting out info located between server tags..im just wondering if my mozilla is configured right |
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| 05:12.09 | dvm1981 | In Xchat for example you can get the channel 'Window > channel list ...' |
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| 05:12.47 | GregM | what is a suitable method of extracting rar files under linux |
| 05:12.58 | spikebike | unrar |
| 05:13.18 | dvm1981 | !tell spikebike about unrar |
| 05:13.43 | grendal_prime | GregM, you running any of the usual desktop thinggys? |
| 05:13.45 | spikebike | er, I didn't ask |
| 05:13.45 | dvm1981 | oeps |
| 05:13.55 | dvm1981 | !tell GregM about unrar |
| 05:14.27 | GregM | i was hoping to do it from shell , Im running xfce4 desktop though |
| 05:14.49 | grendal_prime | k nvrmind then |
| 05:15.02 | Stevie | hey, does nodev disable fifos? |
| 05:15.27 | Stevie | o now, right? |
| 05:15.27 | Stevie | <@babimisty> yes |
| 05:15.27 | Stevie | <@Stevie-O> ok |
| 05:15.27 | Stevie | <@babimisty> ok i gotta go judy is c |
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| 05:15.38 | Stevie | god damnit |
| 05:15.42 | liable | wtf |
| 05:15.52 | Stevie | finger slipped |
| 05:15.52 | deadcat | and he has @ infront of himself.. |
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| 05:16.40 | Stevie | anyway, does nodev prevent fifos from working? |
| 05:17.07 | fusion | Anyone here installed CPanel on Debian Sarge? |
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| 05:20.06 | ke6isf | !anyone |
| 05:20.06 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:21.10 | eibwen | now I'm curious... |
| 05:21.12 | eibwen | !popcorn |
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| 05:21.53 | fusion | Well, the only other way I can rephrase it is that I am having trouble installing cpanel on debian and wondering if I could find help here |
| 05:22.04 | fusion | gee, it was difficult not to use "anyone" in that |
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| 05:22.32 | dondelelcaro | fusion: just tell us what the problem is that you're having, and if someone can help you, they will. |
| 05:22.49 | slummer | how do I start the installation program again? 'dpkg-reconfigure base-config' isn't working |
| 05:22.59 | dondelelcaro | slummer: it's just called base-config |
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| 05:23.56 | fusion | Okay, the problem I am having is cpanel does not start when it is installed. It says it is missing DBD/mysql.pm but I know for a fact that that perl module is there |
| 05:23.56 | slummer | hmmm...just run 'base-config' from the command line? |
| 05:24.44 | fusion | I just wanted to know if Cpanel had been installed on Debian before, because their site says it can be, but I''ve been googling for a long time and can't find any help |
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| 05:25.15 | chealer9 | slummer: yes |
| 05:26.05 | tictac | hmm. |
| 05:26.35 | epsilon | when is next sarge release 3.1 r2 expected? |
| 05:26.50 | ke6isf | epsilon: When it's time. |
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| 05:27.15 | slummer | base-config: command not found |
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| 05:27.28 | chealer9 | epsilon: see debian-release |
| 05:28.01 | metaperl | hello.. I am wondering why my Debian/testing box cannot get nameservice thru a netgear router... /etc/resolve.conf says nameserver 192.168.1.254 ... should that work? what could I add to get it to work? that resolve.conf evidently was written via DHCP |
| 05:28.13 | tictac | damn. i cant even install sid. :| |
| 05:28.19 | tictac | shit is borked. |
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| 05:28.38 | metaperl | in other words, using IP numbers works, but I cannot ping the same place via its domain name |
| 05:28.53 | epsilon | metaperl: no, you need the nameserver IP of your ISP (usualy) |
| 05:29.06 | metaperl | ok |
| 05:30.04 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you know if libapache-gallery-perl can handle .htaccess yet? |
| 05:30.08 | epsilon | find out the IP and write it in router (or let it fetch it while connect) or in your config |
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| 05:32.03 | metaperl | well, the windows machine that is hosting the router, syas the DNS server is 192.168. 1.254 via ipconfig /all ... so it seems that it was set correctly on my box to bethe same |
| 05:32.25 | epsilon | hm, looking for a USB2 card reader for SD-cards, do all readers have almost same speed? |
| 05:32.37 | bagawk | I have vsftpd running, but if a user tries to login that does not have a real shell set, they cannot use ftp. How can I setup this to work with no shell? |
| 05:33.24 | epsilon | bagawk: I don't know vsftpd, but may rssh help you? |
| 05:34.10 | bagawk | epsilon: Looks usefull thanks! |
| 05:34.22 | epsilon | and if unsure, there is always proftpd :-D |
| 05:34.50 | epsilon | bagawk: but remember it will require from clients to use ftp over ssh |
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| 05:35.59 | ItGuY | anyone here worked with kismet |
| 05:36.18 | deadcat | used but not worked with |
| 05:36.41 | ItGuY | deadcat: sorry, used! =) |
| 05:36.54 | deadcat | ItGuY: ofcouse. its a popular software |
| 05:37.14 | ItGuY | deadcat: i can't get it to run |
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| 05:37.31 | deadcat | ItGuY: can your card do monitor mode? |
| 05:37.32 | epsilon | urgh wireless |
| 05:37.56 | ItGuY | epsilon: what does urgh wireless mean? |
| 05:38.09 | epsilon | that I hate WLAN |
| 05:38.13 | deadcat | means he doesnt like wireless |
| 05:38.27 | epsilon | I'm wire-type |
| 05:38.32 | ItGuY | i love wireless |
| 05:38.36 | deadcat | i love wireless. |
| 05:39.09 | ItGuY | heheh |
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| 05:39.12 | deadcat | nope. |
| 05:39.18 | deadcat | i just like wireless. |
| 05:39.28 | foo | Anyone know of an app that can convert .m4a to .mp3 ? |
| 05:39.39 | deadcat | nope |
| 05:39.56 | ItGuY | deadcat: can u help me get kismet running |
| 05:40.04 | deadcat | !u |
| 05:40.04 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:40.10 | deadcat | ItGuY: answer my question earlier |
| 05:40.29 | ItGuY | deadcat: which one? |
| 05:40.38 | deadcat | can the damn card do monitor mode |
| 05:41.02 | ItGuY | deadcat: iwconfig wla0 mode monitor |
| 05:41.21 | deadcat | ItGuY: what does kismet say? what chipset? |
| 05:41.25 | epsilon | foo_ m4a is container of mpeg4 audio |
| 05:41.41 | ItGuY | deadcat: i did that but it didn't return any errors so i asume it's working |
| 05:42.05 | epsilon | can be many format fom mp1, over mp3 up to AAAP |
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| 05:42.13 | deadcat | ItGuY: what chipset is the card.? |
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| 05:42.46 | epsilon | s/AAAP/AAC |
| 05:42.57 | ItGuY | deadcat: orinoco |
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| 05:43.10 | ItGuY | deadcat: check #foold |
| 05:43.16 | jmd | Does anyone know how or even *if* Windoze codepages map to POSIX locales? |
| 05:43.22 | Stevie | Substitution not terminated at s/AAAP/AAC <- epsilon, line 1. |
| 05:43.29 | ItGuY | deadcat: #flood |
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| 05:44.00 | deadcat | ItGuY: sudo kismet -c orinoco,eth1,blah |
| 05:44.21 | deadcat | ItGuY: if that doesnt work. your orinoco driver is NOT patched (unlikely now) |
| 05:44.43 | ItGuY | deadcat: sudo kismet -c orinoco,eth1,blah |
| 05:44.52 | ItGuY | deadcat: what is blah |
| 05:44.53 | deadcat | thats what i said |
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| 05:45.02 | deadcat | blah can be anything you want. doesnt matter |
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| 05:45.59 | ItGuY | FATAL: Illegal card source line 'orinoco,wlan0' |
| 05:47.00 | ItGuY | deadcat: how can i patch my driver |
| 05:47.06 | slummer | wtf, how can 'base-config' be missing from my system? what package removed it? |
| 05:47.13 | deadcat | ItGuY: if its wlan, it aint orinoco driver. |
| 05:47.16 | navaburo | hello! I have just run a net install of debian etch from today's installer build on my P4 system. I have some kernel version issues that may be effecting X, anyone wish to help me out a minute? |
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| 05:47.30 | valdyn | !tell slummer -about search |
| 05:47.35 | deadcat | ItGuY: so the card is orinoco right? i guess the driver is hostap or something |
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| 05:48.27 | chealer9 | slummer: which release do you run? |
| 05:48.36 | slummer | sid |
| 05:48.54 | metaperl | it finally worked! I guess I had to just start up the host computer and allow the "3rdparty device" access! |
| 05:49.00 | metaperl | over and out...brb |
| 05:49.03 | Ts0p | deadcat orioco |
| 05:49.19 | deadcat | so Ts0p is ItGuY ? what the fuck is going on |
| 05:49.23 | liable | slummer: guess you should pay more attention to what apt/aptitude removes.. |
| 05:49.28 | chealer9 | slummer: there is no base-config command in sid |
| 05:49.34 | valdyn | !tell navaburo -about ask |
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| 05:49.49 | dvm1981 | navaburo: Give more details about what happend exactly... |
| 05:49.51 | slummer | oh |
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| 05:50.04 | liable | yeah there is, but there was a conflict a while back with something or other.. |
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| 05:51.05 | liable | slummer: just re-install it if you can.. |
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| 05:51.41 | slummer | yeah, that's right...I installed stable the dist-upgraded to sid. :) |
| 05:51.45 | prolific | What are some major differences that I should be aware of coming from slackware other than perhaps the init scripts? |
| 05:52.06 | valdyn | prolific: that debian has package management |
| 05:52.14 | navaburo | I booted the installer cd. After selecting a language a window complained about no kernel modules found. It said if i countinued w/o them it would most likely fail... so i rebooted and typed install24 at the prompt, in which case it proceded. I selected all defaults from then on (i have done this many times with sarge, this is my first shot with etch). I thought that i would just get the 2.4 kernel INSTALLER, not system! i wanted 2. |
| 05:52.47 | liable | so install 2.6 |
| 05:52.50 | prolific | valdyn, slackware has package management, albeit apt is better. However, I'm looking at things that might take me by surprise that I should deal or get acquainted with right now |
| 05:52.53 | navaburo | need to know what to do (yes or no) to the message |
| 05:52.59 | Stevie | slackware has package management? |
| 05:53.00 | navaburo | install26 gives the same error |
| 05:53.05 | deadcat | Stevie: yes |
| 05:53.06 | navaburo | right after language selection |
| 05:53.07 | slummer | I just remember that "If you want to run this again..." message at the end of the install...but you're right, that was a stable install...thanks. |
| 05:53.07 | valdyn | prolific: slackware has no real package management |
| 05:53.14 | liable | no, install the 2.6 after install.. |
| 05:53.20 | Stevie | you mean beyond 'tar zxf; cd dir; ./configure && make -s && make install' ? |
| 05:53.29 | navaburo | ? is that standard procedure? |
| 05:53.36 | prolific | valdyn, Well, not natively. But if you only want to talk about slack's lack of real pm, you're gonna have to find another guy ;) |
| 05:53.51 | Stevie | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.foo |
| 05:53.54 | prolific | Stevie, swaret and slapt-get |
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| 05:54.07 | Stevie | haha |
| 05:54.11 | Stevie | when did they come up with those? |
| 05:54.20 | liable | navaburo: the etch installer is beta, and therefore may not always work well. |
| 05:54.22 | navaburo | ok... so that may fix the udev failure, usb mouse support, and x crashes i am getting with 24 in etch? |
| 05:54.27 | valdyn | prolific: uh, im not trying to troll you, debians package management is the most significant difference |
| 05:54.30 | Stevie | Now Slack is ruined for me |
| 05:54.34 | seberino | prolific: i miss my days with slackware sometimes |
| 05:54.36 | kookaburra | yeah, but if you are gonna use swaret and slapt-get why not just use debian. it's better at apt-get |
| 05:54.55 | prolific | seberino, Why? Btw, I'm not abandoning it ;) I just want to keep my options open |
| 05:55.03 | Stevie | I always believed Slack's superiority derived from its having the compile-it-yourselfness of Gentoo, minus the fancy package management of Debian |
| 05:55.07 | prolific | valdyn, Ok decent |
| 05:55.19 | navaburo | as for the foo part of apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.foo, what do you recomend atm? |
| 05:55.23 | seberino | prolific: i love how slackware is low level but debian is more supported and has a bigger community |
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| 05:55.28 | Stevie | man was that a bitch |
| 05:55.34 | valdyn | prolific: it means that you will be very bad off if you dont do this the debian way ( with apt-get / aptitude ) |
| 05:55.37 | Stevie | i need 50 different libs |
| 05:55.50 | prolific | valdyn, Hm do waht the debian way? |
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| 05:56.04 | prolific | Stevie, That's a bad installer ;) Or lots of deps, of course |
| 05:56.11 | Stevie | lots of deps |
| 05:56.16 | Stevie | libs depending on other libs |
| 05:56.34 | prolific | Indeed. So apt-get can optionally retrieve those automatically, eh? |
| 05:56.35 | seberino | valdyn: apt-get is so good seems you wouldn't want to mix in some home compiled stuff |
| 05:56.38 | navaburo | (sounds like steve needs apt-get) |
| 05:56.52 | Stevie | Steve *has* apt-get now. |
| 05:57.00 | navaburo | sweet deal |
| 05:57.03 | Stevie | When Steve needed Ethereal on a slack box, he didn't have apt-get |
| 05:57.11 | prolific | seberino, What is less low-level in deb? |
| 05:57.13 | valdyn | seberino: not exactly, but you should watch how you install home compiled stuff |
| 05:57.14 | Stevie | Steve now uses Debian. |
| 05:57.23 | Stevie | Steve's also tired of referring to Steve in the third person. |
| 05:57.27 | navaburo | ah, steve is wise! |
| 05:57.39 | kookaburra | "low level" gets thrown around a lot. more typing and bitching is not "low level". |
| 05:57.41 | prolific | valdyn, You can integrate self compiled apps into ports? |
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| 05:58.08 | prolific | er this isn't fbsd...whatever the archive sys is called |
| 05:58.12 | seberino | prolific: you really want to use package management for everything in debian unlike slack..that is main thing. |
| 05:58.13 | navaburo | which kernel version at the moment is recomended for install to etch over apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.foo |
| 05:58.14 | navaburo | ? |
| 05:58.16 | valdyn | prolific: debian doesnt have a ports system but you can integrate self compiled stuff into the packae management easily |
| 05:58.19 | Stevie | I don't fully understand what you just said, prolific (not sure what you mean by "into ports"), but I think the answer is yes |
| 05:58.38 | prolific | I see |
| 05:58.42 | Stevie | navaburo: apt-cache search -n kernel-image |
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| 05:58.46 | prolific | Downloading the ISOs now ;) |
| 05:58.47 | navaburo | ok |
| 05:59.05 | seberino | valdyn: really? nice |
| 05:59.08 | valdyn | prolific: _every_ file on a debian system is accounted for ( and possibly relied upon ), that takes work _off_ you, as long as you dont ( habitually ) work around the package management |
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| 05:59.12 | navaburo | Stevie: thankyou. will report back with results of trials and tribulations... |
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| 05:59.30 | Stevie | I have, on more than one occasion, downloaded source packages from unstable and built them against stable/testing so I could have the latest version of a particular program without having to totally upgrade my machine |
| 05:59.59 | Stevie | The result, prolific, is a variant of the original package specially made to work on your system, with what you have installed |
| 06:00.01 | prolific | valdyn, Oh really? Every file is a package? |
| 06:00.01 | seberino | Stevie: um..have you heard of apt pining? no need for so much work |
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| 06:00.26 | Stevie | seberino: What happens if the unstable version is built against e.g. a different version of glibc? |
| 06:00.32 | valdyn | prolific: every file ( outside /tmp, /home etc ) is from or made by a package ) |
| 06:00.41 | prolific | valdyn, Interesting |
| 06:00.43 | seberino | Stevie: i think it upgrades all that too :) |
| 06:00.54 | Stevie | seberino: Exactly. Not necessarily what you want. |
| 06:01.24 | Stevie | You can get the source to a pkg in sid, and compile it against the libs in stable |
| 06:01.25 | valdyn | prolific: but that last line by me isnt the point, point is you need to use the package management, you'll get into trouble if you just 'make install' something, for instance |
| 06:01.27 | prolific | Stevie, You can't optionally apt-get a package from a different version? |
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| 06:01.38 | prolific | valdyn, Right |
| 06:01.40 | seberino | Stevie: i see what you mean....maybe apt-pining is probably ideal then for stuff with no too many dependencies |
| 06:01.47 | Stevie | seberino: yes |
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| 06:01.58 | Stevie | prolific: Apt can do so many things, I don't even know how to do them all. Yet. |
| 06:02.11 | Stevie | aptitude helps |
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| 06:02.35 | Stevie | (aptitude is like an interactive apt-get) |
| 06:02.45 | dvm1981 | And if an GUI is needed, 'synaptic' |
| 06:02.51 | valdyn | prolific: instead i'd do 'checkinstall make install' to create a quick hacky deb that has no dependency information but integrates into the package management |
| 06:03.02 | Stevie | dvm1981: If I can't do it over ssh or /dev/ttyS0 i don't want it! |
| 06:03.13 | seberino | valdyn: damn, you are an apt-get guru! |
| 06:03.39 | dvm1981 | Stevie: Yep, that's right. But because root can not use ssh default, i think |
| 06:03.42 | prolific | valdyn, Nice. Forgot checkinstall can create debs as well |
| 06:03.52 | Stevie | dvm1981: that's what sudo is for |
| 06:04.03 | dvm1981 | Stevie: Yep |
| 06:04.09 | seberino | dvm1981: synaptic is sooo much easier than aptitude |
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| 06:04.17 | prolific | seberino, What are those? |
| 06:04.24 | dvm1981 | seberino: Yes i know :-) |
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| 06:04.29 | Stevie | what are what? |
| 06:04.32 | seberino | prolific: user friendly package management tools |
| 06:04.45 | valdyn | prolific: another popular ( bad ) idea is using vendor installers ) |
| 06:04.49 | prolific | seberino, As opposed to apt-get? |
| 06:04.57 | Stevie | prolific: yes |
| 06:05.04 | Stevie | apt-get is good for some sort of automated tool |
| 06:05.04 | seberino | dvm1981: i can always discover what i need on synaptic but aptitude sometimes i can't figure it out...time to RTFM |
| 06:05.05 | kookaburra | vendor installers? |
| 06:05.08 | Stevie | i.e. cron job |
| 06:05.10 | prolific | valdyn, Indeed. Fortunately more people are distributing debs, I'm finding |
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| 06:05.27 | Ts0p | !info aircrack 2.41 |
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| 06:05.31 | prolific | Stevie, But not good for what? |
| 06:05.32 | dvm1981 | seberino: Same case here :-/ |
| 06:05.42 | unix_infidel | hey guys, i'm coming from a bsd style of managing services, i need a simple easy guide on how to manage sysv type distro's like debian. |
| 06:05.46 | kookaburra | so what are vendor installers? seriously |
| 06:05.49 | Stevie | prolific: Well, if you're not sure exactly what it is you want, apt-get isn't all that friendly |
| 06:05.53 | unix_infidel | i need something comprehensive, simple, easy. NOT a man page. |
| 06:06.00 | valdyn | !runlevels |
| 06:06.00 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead, |
| 06:06.00 | seberino | unix_infidel: great question |
| 06:06.10 | valdyn | unix_infidel: look at what dpkg said |
| 06:06.19 | Keefe | How long has linuxprinting been down? |
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| 06:06.28 | seberino | valdyn: man you are the man! |
| 06:06.33 | zebalin4 | prolific: I spent a few years with Slack. Fine for tinkering and great for servers, but as a dynamic desktop with new (or close to new) hardware and multi-media 'stuff' Slack is just not 'there.' |
| 06:06.38 | valdyn | unix_infidel: debian doesnt use different runlevels like uh, redhat or i guess bsd |
| 06:06.40 | prolific | Stevie, I'll have to break down and scour the man page...Can you not regex search the package archive? |
| 06:06.49 | Stevie | file: /usr/bin/man: symlink to /usr/bin/valdyn |
| 06:06.51 | unix_infidel | valdyn: right o. |
| 06:06.53 | seberino | zebalin4: well put |
| 06:07.04 | Stevie | prolific: regex? I don't think so |
| 06:07.10 | unix_infidel | i understand run levels just fine, the way you guys mange services and a couple of other things is.... |
| 06:07.13 | Stevie | there is a simple substring search feature |
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| 06:07.24 | prolific | Stevie, Good nuff |
| 06:07.24 | unix_infidel | to be honest, feels like a wedgy. |
| 06:07.30 | navaburo | ok i am back from etch' |
| 06:07.30 | vin` | unix_infidel: install rcconf, run it. |
| 06:07.45 | Stevie | apt-cache search |
| 06:07.47 | seberino | unix_infidel: like what? |
| 06:07.55 | Stevie | wb navaburo |
| 06:07.59 | Stevie | did you get anywhere? |
| 06:07.59 | zebalin4 | Bottom line, apt-get is the crown-jewel of Linux... and Slackware's 3rd party slapt-get or swaret isn't even close to the mature and featured apt/dpkg/dselect platform. |
| 06:08.00 | navaburo | wb? |
| 06:08.07 | seberino | unix_infidel: if you understand runlevels on fedora you understand debian just fine with few changes |
| 06:08.08 | navaburo | stevie, no luck |
| 06:08.18 | unix_infidel | seberino: heh, i'm coming from archlinux actually. |
| 06:08.21 | Stevie | navaburo: Well, I had you do 'apt-cache search -n kernel-image' |
| 06:08.27 | Stevie | navaburo: What happened with that? |
| 06:08.28 | navaburo | Stevie: i did that |
| 06:08.33 | Stevie | yeah? |
| 06:08.43 | seberino | unix_infidel: what is confusing about debian runlevels? |
| 06:08.45 | Stevie | what did it come back with? anything reasonable? |
| 06:08.46 | valdyn | unix_infidel: move the installed script away ( mv /etc/init.d/script /etc/init.d/scripbackup ), make your own script ( or not ), update-rc.d to fix the symlinks in /etc/rcX.d/ |
| 06:08.49 | multi_io | is it (easily?) possible with LVM to handle the case that a PV moves to a different device (e.g. because the HD was moved to a different controller)? |
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| 06:09.01 | navaburo | Stevie: i got a listing, and chose kernel-image-2.6-686-smp, which seemed apropriate |
| 06:09.02 | foo | epsilon: I see. But is there a way to convert it? Adobe Premiere doesn't recognize it. |
| 06:09.16 | Stevie | navaburo: Do you have an SMP machine? |
| 06:09.26 | prolific | ;) |
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| 06:09.32 | valdyn | unix_infidel: package management will respect changes made to those scripts, it will not respect changed symlinks |
| 06:09.41 | seberino | navaburo, Stevie: you can run SMP kernels on non-SMP with no effect |
| 06:09.53 | valdyn | unix_infidel: but it will naturally leave added symlinks |
| 06:09.54 | seberino | navaburo, Stevie: bad effect that is |
| 06:09.56 | Stevie | well, the effect is a minor performance loss because spinlocks still exist |
| 06:10.09 | unix_infidel | valdyn: ill spend my early saturday night with this stuff. |
| 06:10.12 | navaburo | Stevie: yes, smp simetric multiproc right? ht on intels? |
| 06:10.16 | seberino | Stevie: isn't life a performance loss? |
| 06:10.19 | Stevie | ht/dualcore/whatever |
| 06:10.24 | Stevie | seberino: Mine sure is |
| 06:10.24 | unix_infidel | also need to learn how to compile an i686 optimized kernel, any insight? |
| 06:10.39 | seberino | Stevie: heh |
| 06:10.40 | unix_infidel | trying to create a DAW |
| 06:10.46 | seberino | gnite all |
| 06:10.48 | Stevie | I've compiled so many kernels I can almost do it with my eyes closed |
| 06:10.57 | valdyn | unix_infidel: why not install debians i686 kernel? |
| 06:11.09 | Stevie | navaburo: What happened when you tried to install it? |
| 06:11.34 | unix_infidel | valdyn: i've been using ubuntu on a laptop like it was windows for a couple days. b/c i've been avoiding learning apt-get and sysv. |
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| 06:11.37 | navaburo | Stevie: it asked for an iso |
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| 06:11.44 | Stevie | an iso? |
| 06:11.47 | navaburo | Stevie: then i inserted my netinstal and hit enter |
| 06:11.48 | unix_infidel | valdyn: i didnt even know debian have a i686 kernel :P |
| 06:11.52 | navaburo | Stevie: sorry |
| 06:11.53 | Stevie | navaburo: Oh! |
| 06:12.02 | navaburo | Stevie: i ment a cd of _Etch_ |
| 06:12.11 | Stevie | navaburo: You need to fix your apt sources.list |
| 06:12.22 | navaburo | Stevie: oh, the cd was first! ah |
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| 06:12.26 | Stevie | hey guys, is there any way to rerun the mirror chooser |
| 06:12.37 | navaburo | Stevie: ok, well reguardless, would i be correct in saying etch installed from a weekly iso may work better than the daily installer? |
| 06:12.46 | valdyn | Stevie: apt-setup ? |
| 06:12.52 | Stevie | normally yes, but the etch cds are broken |
| 06:13.02 | Stevie | err |
| 06:13.06 | Stevie | wait, what? |
| 06:13.11 | navaburo | ok, broken? |
| 06:13.13 | valdyn | navaburo: it may also be broken at any time |
| 06:13.16 | navaburo | mine are quite whole |
| 06:13.19 | Stevie | the etch isos are broken at the moment |
| 06:13.24 | navaburo | ok |
| 06:13.29 | Stevie | the No Kernel Modules Loaded kerjigger |
| 06:13.33 | Stevie | which has been bugging me |
| 06:13.38 | navaburo | yes yes |
| 06:13.47 | Stevie | did you get etch installed? |
| 06:13.57 | navaburo | sort of. it installed without error |
| 06:14.02 | navaburo | but x doesnt startr |
| 06:14.03 | Stevie | 'sort of'? |
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| 06:14.20 | Stevie | okay, do you have any http/ftp sources in your apt sources? |
| 06:14.25 | navaburo | and in recovery console x givees a mouse error |
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| 06:14.48 | navaburo | yes i think so, well i should check. but they should be b/c i did a net install |
| 06:15.04 | valdyn | navaburo: recovery console? |
| 06:15.13 | valdyn | navaburo: are you trying to start X in single user mode? |
| 06:15.51 | liable | a mouse error has nothing to do with the installer.. |
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| 06:15.54 | Stevie | go ahead and cheeck :) |
| 06:16.00 | navaburo | valdyn: not sure. i selected the recovery mode option in grub when x would start (crashed and then locked up my system at the choice to see the log, keyboard frozen) |
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| 06:16.11 | Stevie | liable: The current etch netinst cds are borked. They complain about not having kernel modules. |
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| 06:16.33 | chealer9 | Stevie: since when are etch isos broken? |
| 06:16.40 | Stevie | I tried last night |
| 06:16.43 | Stevie | I tried tonight |
| 06:16.43 | navaburo | ok, so they are broken. are there older etch netinst cd's i could use? |
| 06:16.45 | liable | Stevie: sure, but if you have gotten to the stage of installing x then its not an installer fault.. |
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| 06:16.51 | valdyn | navaburo: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager to avoid X starting automagically, and fix X, you sure cant start it in 'recovery console' |
| 06:17.11 | liable | Stevie: why not just upgrade from sarge? |
| 06:17.26 | navaburo | valdyn: i would do that, but i realy wish to use the current kernel first |
| 06:17.41 | valdyn | navaburo: who's talking about changing the kernel? |
| 06:18.07 | liable | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 06:18.07 | dpkg | [sarge 2.6.15] http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm |
| 06:18.26 | liable | if you really need a newer kernel to install |
| 06:18.27 | navaburo | Stevie: ok, i am a little foggy on debian versioning, being mainly an rpm-based guy in the past. If i install sarge, and upgrade the kernel, will i have fairly recent packages like the newer gnome, evolution, etc? |
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| 06:18.51 | orchid | navaburo: no, you'll have a newer kernel |
| 06:19.10 | navaburo | valdyn: thats it? so i could just upgrade from sarge and avoid the etch issues? |
| 06:19.30 | navaburo | (that was actualy to you orchid, sry) |
| 06:19.38 | valdyn | navaburo: how the hell would upgrading from sarge avoid etch issues? |
| 06:19.42 | unix_infidel | anyone here using sid as a digital audio workstation? |
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| 06:19.49 | navaburo | the installer issues |
| 06:19.50 | valdyn | navaburo: etch be the version 'after' sarge..... |
| 06:20.07 | unix_infidel | hopefully customized as a LOW LATENCY digital audio workstation (DAW0 |
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| 06:20.24 | valdyn | navaburo:I see, use the sarge installer, etch or sid installers are not supported |
| 06:21.07 | valdyn | navaburo: this likely has nothing at all to do with your X missing the mouse |
| 06:21.24 | itguy | Anyone ...how can i run script like mon.sh for e.g |
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| 06:21.41 | prolific | ./? |
| 06:21.56 | navaburo | valdyn: ok. so let me ask a more general question then. I am a suse 10 user mainly, but i have outgrown it. I have a sarge server w/o X. I want debian on my desktop, and i would appreciate recent software, even if i have to sacrifice security, but i realy dont care. Which version/method is for me? |
| 06:22.22 | valdyn | navaburo: sarge + backports |
| 06:22.29 | unix_infidel | valdyn: why not sid? |
| 06:22.37 | navaburo | valdyn: then upgrade to 2.6 kernel image? |
| 06:22.47 | \amethyst | valdyn: are you comfortable with the shell, perl, etc? |
| 06:22.51 | valdyn | unix_infidel: because he has no idea how to fix a debian system as I understand it |
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| 06:23.02 | unix_infidel | valdyn: his mouse isnt working :P? |
| 06:23.03 | valdyn | \amethyst: perl support is in #perl ) |
| 06:23.07 | \amethyst | in case you have to mess with broken dependencies |
| 06:23.09 | \amethyst | err |
| 06:23.17 | valdyn | unix_infidel: yea |
| 06:23.18 | \amethyst | valdyn: sorry, should have been navaburo: |
| 06:23.23 | unix_infidel | lol. |
| 06:23.39 | Stevie | <bubulle> Stevie: I confirm. daily builds (now etch_d-i) are missing the kernel modules |
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| 06:23.48 | itguy | !info script |
| 06:24.02 | valdyn | itguy: 'sh script.sh' |
| 06:24.06 | navaburo | unix_infidel: the mouse is recognized when hot plugged (usb) but there isnt an option in xconfig, and autodetect doesnt find it. X gives a no core pointer error on startup. |
| 06:24.18 | valdyn | !drxx navaburo |
| 06:24.18 | dpkg | navaburo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:24.28 | navaburo | unix_infidel: i have tried a serial mouse and a ps/2 mouse also |
| 06:24.29 | itguy | valdyn: thank you |
| 06:24.47 | navaburo | ok, cool |
| 06:24.50 | \amethyst | navaburo: are you comfortable with the shell, etc? Can you read documentation oriented towards Unix hackers and fix the occasional broken postinst script? |
| 06:24.56 | unix_infidel | navaburo: so why not create your own xorg.conf entry? |
| 06:25.01 | valdyn | navaburo: your 2 problems are that your X is configured wrongly for your mouse and that you didnt use the debian tools to setup X |
| 06:25.03 | itguy | BTW: why do i have a fat X in the middle of my screen |
| 06:25.19 | Stevie | that's the X cursor |
| 06:25.37 | unix_infidel | wow, i'm not the most incompetent individual in here. |
| 06:25.39 | unix_infidel | GREAT! |
| 06:25.51 | \amethyst | C|N>K |
| 06:25.52 | unix_infidel | (not referring to anyone specifically ;) ) |
| 06:26.02 | itguy | Stevie: what does it do? |
| 06:26.08 | navaburo | valdyn: i think i could, however first i will install sarge under your suggestion and then conquer my x/mouse issues if they persist |
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| 06:26.12 | Stevie | nothing :) |
| 06:26.18 | valdyn | itguy: he meant that it is your mouse pointer |
| 06:26.25 | \amethyst | itguy: it's like the |\ arrow in windows |
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| 06:26.37 | valdyn | navaburo: good idea |
| 06:26.37 | Keefe | Could someone please check if they can access www.linuxprinting.org? |
| 06:26.39 | dn4 | how do I find out the size of a director? |
| 06:26.41 | choser | I have just recompiled my kernel but still want to trim up the services that init starts. Aside from deleting entries in /etc/init.d and then running that script to clean up the rc* directories, is there a safer and more debian-specific way to do this? One that is reversible? |
| 06:26.49 | valdyn | navaburo: once you need newer software , '/msg dpkg backports' |
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| 06:26.53 | navaburo | valdyn: one last thing. how do i make sure i am getting the sarge backports (to ensure t |
| 06:26.54 | navaburo | ah |
| 06:26.56 | navaburo | ok |
| 06:27.08 | navaburo | you took the words out of my mouth/fingers |
| 06:27.14 | liable | choser: remove the package.. |
| 06:27.18 | \amethyst | Keefe: loads a bit slow, but it's there |
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| 06:27.43 | \amethyst | wait, that was an attempted DDOS |
| 06:27.45 | Keefe | \amethyst thanks |
| 06:27.45 | Stevie | welcome, X_al |
| 06:27.49 | X_al | :) |
| 06:27.51 | darkraider | keefe: it is just loading really slow but it works |
| 06:28.00 | Stevie | now what seems to be the problem |
| 06:28.00 | navaburo | valdyn: thanks for the tips. will install sarge tomarrow most likely. goodnight (or morning here in jersey) |
| 06:28.01 | Nopalin | i need to install a package for when i type power button, computer go to down? |
| 06:28.02 | \amethyst | and we're only making it worse :) |
| 06:28.14 | choser | Makes sense actually. But some things, like apache load up, but I dont use it often really. |
| 06:28.19 | valdyn | Nopalin: apt-get install acpid |
| 06:28.26 | X_al | i need help! |
| 06:28.28 | X_al | :) |
| 06:28.33 | Stevie | Yes, I am aware of that. |
| 06:28.37 | X_al | trying to articulate |
| 06:28.39 | Stevie | You said you were stuck... where are you stuck? |
| 06:28.39 | liable | choser: dpkg-reconfigure apache |
| 06:28.39 | X_al | :) |
| 06:28.49 | X_al | ok i have a debian iso |
| 06:29.00 | X_al | i dloaded |
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| 06:29.04 | mkl1525 | Hi, trying to upgrade my system but there is a dependency problem cause the new package will overwrite a file of a already installed package so apt quits. -f option doesn't solve the problem - any other ways to solve the problem? complete log at http://pastebin.com/571527 |
| 06:29.07 | Stevie | I want to dpkg-reconfigure my cable box and add showtime and cinemax |
| 06:29.10 | liable | !enter |
| 06:29.11 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
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| 06:29.25 | Stevie | X_al: Is that it? |
| 06:29.29 | \amethyst | mkl1525: if you know what's up with the conflicting file, you can dpkg-divert one of them away |
| 06:29.42 | X_al | woah this channel is madness |
| 06:29.49 | Stevie | yes it is |
| 06:29.51 | valdyn | mkl1525: you're using sid? why? |
| 06:29.55 | Stevie | Which is why I fit in so well. |
| 06:29.58 | X_al | :) |
| 06:30.04 | Stevie | so did you burn your iso? |
| 06:30.08 | X_al | where was i... |
| 06:30.09 | X_al | yes |
| 06:30.14 | Stevie | did you boot from it? |
| 06:30.18 | X_al | no |
| 06:30.18 | Nopalin | valdyn: thanks, and, some thing else, if want to add to my panel, a cpu frequency monitor.. what package i need? |
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| 06:30.34 | choser | liable: Thank you. You have answered my question. Basically, stick with the apt* and dpkg* tools with debian. |
| 06:30.39 | Stevie | ah, now we're getting somewhere (or we're stuck somewhere, or whatever) |
| 06:30.43 | valdyn | mkl1525: in this case 'dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archivews/libavahi-compat-libdnssd1_0.6.6-1_i386.deb' might fix this |
| 06:30.46 | X_al | i want to remove windows too |
| 06:30.50 | Stevie | X_al: You are having issues booting from the CD? |
| 06:30.54 | X_al | yes |
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| 06:31.38 | liable | choser: most of the time yes, you can use a tool to do the job. |
| 06:31.38 | Stevie | does the debian cd boot screen, with the giant logo, come up? |
| 06:31.44 | mkl1525 | \amethyst, thanks will have a look |
| 06:31.48 | X_al | er no |
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| 06:31.58 | Stevie | hrm |
| 06:32.08 | Stevie | is your computer even capable of booting from a cd? |
| 06:32.13 | liable | then the cd was fuxored.. |
| 06:32.14 | mkl1525 | valdyn, it's my test box - will try your suggestion, thanks |
| 06:32.16 | valdyn | Nopalin: gnome-cpufreq-applet? |
| 06:32.18 | Stevie | not necessarily |
| 06:32.20 | X_al | bloody thing just wants to oload windows |
| 06:32.30 | X_al | yes it is capable |
| 06:32.31 | Stevie | his bios might be set to check IDE0 first |
| 06:32.44 | Stevie | Mine keeps resetting to that, for some godawful reason |
| 06:32.45 | \amethyst | Nopalin: aptitude search '~Dlibpanel-applet*~dfrequency' |
| 06:33.16 | Stevie | X_al: can you get into your BIOS setup screen? |
| 06:33.25 | X_al | i dont think the cdr is being read |
| 06:33.26 | X_al | yes |
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| 06:33.49 | Stevie | go into it and look around for a setting like 'Boot device order' or 'Boot device priority' or something like that |
| 06:33.50 | X_al | by the way thanks |
| 06:33.59 | X_al | ok |
| 06:34.26 | Nopalin | \amethyst: the ~ character is a commodin? (like *) |
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| 06:34.42 | X_al | device options |
| 06:34.47 | Stevie | that could be it |
| 06:34.47 | X_al | boot options |
| 06:34.50 | \amethyst | Nopalin: ~ and a letter is a search field |
| 06:34.54 | \amethyst | Nopalin: * is a wildcard |
| 06:34.55 | Stevie | that could be even more it |
| 06:34.58 | k54 | . |
| 06:35.09 | Stevie | X_al: look in boot options |
| 06:35.14 | X_al | in |
| 06:35.16 | X_al | yes |
| 06:35.51 | Stevie | do you see anything that looks like it would control whether it boots from cd or hdd first? |
| 06:35.57 | \amethyst | Nopalin: it finds packages that ~Depend on any version of libpanel-applet, whose ~descriptions contain "frequency" |
| 06:36.27 | X_al | yeah its set to boot from Multibay [which is the CDROM] |
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| 06:36.38 | Nopalin | \amethyst: ahh , i can use that in apt-cache? |
| 06:36.58 | itguy | guys i just downloaded aircrak 2.41 where should i un gz it |
| 06:37.01 | X_al | so the boot order has been set - i did that already |
| 06:37.11 | liable | aircrack is in the repos.. |
| 06:37.15 | Stevie | so the boot order is set to Multibay first? |
| 06:37.20 | X_al | yes |
| 06:37.34 | k54 | two questions: 1: how do I install the nvidia driver for debian and 2: how do I keep the resolv.conf from being rewritten every time I reboot? |
| 06:37.35 | Stevie | so it was already like that, and it still won't boot from your CD? |
| 06:37.46 | X_al | indeed |
| 06:37.51 | \amethyst | Nopalin: I think it's aptitude-specific :( |
| 06:37.53 | Stevie | k54: I know the answer to the latter question (or at least, where to find the answer) |
| 06:38.09 | k54 | where's that, Stevie? |
| 06:38.11 | Stevie | k54: There's something you do in your dhcp.conf to keep dhclient from rewriting your resolv.conf |
| 06:38.18 | Stevie | some sort of hook script override |
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| 06:38.42 | Nopalin | \amethyst i think so |
| 06:38.53 | \amethyst | Nopalin: no reason not to use aptitude :) |
| 06:39.14 | k54 | Stevie: the entire dhclient.conf is commented out |
| 06:39.43 | X_al | Stevie: the debian cdr is a rar file and i think thats the prob |
| 06:39.55 | Stevie | k54: I know. It's a bitch to make it work right |
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| 06:40.10 | Stevie | This solution is for netbsd, but the only difference for Debian would be the directory name |
| 06:40.13 | Stevie | http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/network/dhcp.html#keep-resolv-conf |
| 06:40.13 | \amethyst | heh |
| 06:40.25 | Nopalin | \amethyst: jeje, i know, but i usually use apt-cache, apt-get, apt-* |
| 06:40.50 | Stevie | X_al: no, the debian iso is an *ISO*. WinRAR just happens to open it |
| 06:40.53 | Stevie | did you burn it as an ISO, or did you do what my brother did and actually burn a cd with one file on it, that file being the iso |
| 06:40.56 | X_al | yeah - i better reinstall winRAR |
| 06:41.08 | Stevie | reinstalling winrar won't help :) |
| 06:41.12 | X_al | ok |
| 06:41.19 | itguy | !info aircrack |
| 06:41.21 | dpkg | aircrack: (wireless WEP/WPA cracker), section net, is extra. Version: 2.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 138 kB, Installed size: 332 kB |
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| 06:41.29 | X_al | so if i unpack the contents and reburn |
| 06:41.31 | Azar | Stevie that is curious, back in the days I used Woody I would use dhcp with a small d-link router .. I never had problems with dns .. |
| 06:41.32 | \amethyst | Nopalin: well, in sid I see gnome-applets and emifreq-applet |
| 06:41.36 | X_al | might work |
| 06:41.37 | Stevie | X_al: NO. |
| 06:41.50 | X_al | yikes! |
| 06:41.51 | deadcat | itguy: dammit. stop trying to break into people's wireless network.. FUCK! grow up dammit |
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| 06:42.09 | Stevie | X_al: That file is a raw CD image. If you "unpack" it you lose all the stuff that makes it work. |
| 06:42.22 | Stevie | X_al: What you need is, is a program that will just burn a raw cd image |
| 06:42.29 | k54 | found it |
| 06:42.43 | Stevie | k54: I remember dealing with that one before, too |
| 06:42.44 | itguy | deadcat: b4 u start insul people know what there intenion damit |
| 06:42.50 | deadcat | no |
| 06:42.59 | Jazbo | Every debian system I have (4 systems) has problems keeping the correct time. What's the fix for this?? |
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| 06:43.10 | deadcat | Jazbo: ntpdate |
| 06:43.14 | Nopalin | \amethyst: hey, ubuntu doesn't support debian repositories, right? |
| 06:43.26 | shogunx | Jazbo contemplate the non-linear nature of time;) |
| 06:43.31 | k54 | is there any way to test this script without rebooting? (dhclient-script) |
| 06:43.50 | X_al | This is the debian-31r1a-i386-netinst - ISO Image file |
| 06:44.03 | \amethyst | no clue, ask #ubuntu |
| 06:44.05 | Jazbo | ntpdate is installed |
| 06:44.14 | Stevie | then run it, Jazbo :) |
| 06:44.15 | deadcat | Jazbo: then use it |
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| 06:44.25 | Stevie | k54: You can kill dhclient and restart it |
| 06:44.26 | Jazbo | arg....... |
| 06:44.41 | Stevie | I particularly like shogunx's solution. |
| 06:45.11 | X_al | The CDR contains debian-31r1a-i386-netinst - ISO Image file |
| 06:45.15 | shogunx | Stevie thank you |
| 06:45.16 | Jazbo | I'm all for being able to configure stuff but having to go through all this just to get the correct time on my system is........ |
| 06:45.24 | Stevie | X_al: is tha the file on it? |
| 06:45.28 | X_al | yeah |
| 06:45.41 | Stevie | Jazbo: Setup ntpd. It will autosync your time. |
| 06:45.55 | Stevie | For servers, I just google "public stratum 2" |
| 06:46.00 | Stevie | !google "public stratum 2" |
| 06:46.01 | X_al | Stevie: but seems my lappy doesnt like it |
| 06:46.08 | dpkg | Google says public stratum 2 is at http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/clock2a.html or http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/clock2b.html or http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/clock1a.html or http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Servers/StratumTwoTimeServers or http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Servers/WebHome |
| 06:46.19 | sparr | ive got a vfat drive mounted, only root can write to it. i need to remount it so users can write to it. i tried "mount -oremount,umask=000" to no avail. help? |
| 06:46.47 | Stevie | X_al: That's because that "file" is a *raw* *cd* *image* |
| 06:47.05 | Stevie | The computer is expecting a picture of a CD |
| 06:47.13 | X_al | Right |
| 06:47.14 | Stevie | you are giving it a picture of a picture of a CD, which will not work |
| 06:47.20 | X_al | yes |
| 06:47.38 | Stevie | do you understand? the method you used to burn the iso does not work |
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| 06:48.07 | X_al | Stevie: are you saying so i should reburn the cd? |
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| 06:48.29 | epsilon | X_al: what the hell are you trying to do? |
| 06:48.29 | Jazbo | :~# ntpdate |
| 06:48.31 | Jazbo | 25 Feb 22:37:42 ntpdate[1977]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 06:48.41 | X_al | install debian |
| 06:48.45 | k54 | how would I make a boolean statement like [ -x /sbin/resolvconf ] in a bash script its contra-positive? |
| 06:48.53 | Nopalin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.54 | \amethyst | X_al: cdrecord --sao filename.iso |
| 06:48.55 | k54 | into its** |
| 06:49.04 | epsilon | Jazbo: pool.ntp.org |
| 06:49.10 | Jazbo | Do I need to pick a server? Ah okay |
| 06:49.20 | \amethyst | Nopalin: you know the windows registry? |
| 06:49.22 | stridr | deadcat: tried Xorg 7 yet? |
| 06:49.23 | Nopalin | \amethyst: and i dont se that option, in the preferences --> keyboard shorcuts window |
| 06:49.36 | X_al | this is too fkn hard |
| 06:49.38 | Nopalin | \amethyst: something |
| 06:49.52 | k54 | what is the "not" in bash scripts? |
| 06:49.59 | epsilon | ! |
| 06:50.01 | Stevie | Probably ! |
| 06:50.01 | \amethyst | k54: context |
| 06:50.04 | X_al | me give up - i cant even install the thing |
| 06:50.16 | deadcat | stridr: no. how is it? i am gonna wait till it get to sid. since xgl aint gonna be ready anyway. |
| 06:50.16 | epsilon | X_al: new in linux? |
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| 06:50.26 | X_al | yes |
| 06:50.28 | Stevie | X_al: I told you, you need to burn the cd differently |
| 06:50.31 | X_al | frustrating |
| 06:50.38 | k54 | if [ -x /sbin/resolvconf ]; what is the opposite of this statement? |
| 06:50.44 | kmsh | where is the kernel config located in a fresh install of debian? |
| 06:50.54 | X_al | Stevie: how so? |
| 06:51.03 | epsilon | X_al: buy suse dvd in store or stick together with windows |
| 06:51.10 | Stevie | heh |
| 06:51.24 | \amethyst | Nopalin: Hmm.. Run a terminal is listed at the end of Desktop in gnome 2.12 |
| 06:51.24 | X_al | well you can laugh at me if you like |
| 06:51.31 | Azar | X_al I hate burning cd's never come out right for me so I ordered the Debian CD set |
| 06:51.38 | \amethyst | I use my window manager |
| 06:51.41 | X_al | i cant afford anything |
| 06:51.49 | epsilon | X_al: debian is something you do not want at this moment, if you even can't burn a cd |
| 06:51.51 | Stevie | you could use win32 cdrecord |
| 06:51.51 | stridr | deadcat: well, i just updated. It's a bit tricky now. had to do some fixes here and there |
| 06:52.01 | \amethyst | the only thing I use gnome shortcut keys for are activating tomboy notes |
| 06:52.01 | Jazbo | Okay so now my time is set to 6:51 but it's 12.51 pm. I don't see any options in the man page to set the time zone |
| 06:52.04 | Stevie | epsilon: Well, he can burn a CD. He just lacks the proper tools. |
| 06:52.08 | \amethyst | s/thing/things/ |
| 06:52.10 | deadcat | stridr: hmm. what kind of fixes? |
| 06:52.18 | Azar | X_al then wait until you can afford to order the CDs |
| 06:52.18 | X_al | thanks for the abuse |
| 06:52.21 | Stevie | epsilon: He did what my brother did, and got a CD with an .ISO file on it |
| 06:52.46 | X_al | you guys are rude - sposed to be helpful |
| 06:52.50 | deadcat | X_al: thats not abuse. thats the truth |
| 06:52.55 | deadcat | X_al: who said? |
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| 06:53.01 | X_al | you laugh |
| 06:53.23 | \amethyst | so you mount the cd then loopback mount the iso, what's the big deal? |
| 06:53.24 | Azar | X_al you can get Debian - related help here, not a course on how to burn CDs |
| 06:53.27 | Nopalin | \amethyst: it not apper on my short cut list |
| 06:53.27 | \amethyst | oh, windows, right |
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| 06:53.34 | X_al | anyway thanks for trying |
| 06:53.44 | deadcat | X_al: you need to learn some basic unix before using linux |
| 06:53.57 | X_al | do i? |
| 06:53.59 | deadcat | ya |
| 06:54.06 | epsilon | yes, recommended |
| 06:54.06 | Jazbo | Anybody familiar with getting the correct time on a debian system? |
| 06:54.15 | deadcat | Jazbo: we told you dammit |
| 06:54.19 | stridr | deadcat: there are a few bugs, had to check the bts for a workaround for the xkb issue. then the fontpaths were wrong as well etc |
| 06:54.19 | Azar | Jazbo, I use a small application for that |
| 06:54.21 | epsilon | Jazbo: ntp, date |
| 06:54.23 | Paivakil | !ntp |
| 06:54.23 | dpkg | somebody said ntp was the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 06:54.25 | Stevie | At the sound of the ping the time will be Sat Feb 25 01:54:24 2006 *ping* |
| 06:54.33 | deadcat | stridr: damn. |
| 06:54.34 | Stevie | rofl |
| 06:54.35 | Jazbo | Well I asked how to set the timezone and nobody answered |
| 06:54.40 | Stevie | that scared the shit out of me |
| 06:54.49 | Paivakil | Jazbo: tzconfig |
| 06:54.49 | epsilon | Jazbo: tz* |
| 06:55.07 | X_al | i just want to install the bloody thing on my lappy |
| 06:55.12 | X_al | seeyas |
| 06:55.14 | Azar | Jazbo, read man date |
| 06:55.34 | Nopalin | \amethyst: damn, freeuqnecy monitor is not supported... i need to install another thing? |
| 06:55.43 | stridr | deadcat: well, now i am trying to get the ati drivers working, and they don't support Xorg 7 |
| 06:56.00 | Paivakil | Jazbo: you running unstable/etch? |
| 06:56.08 | deadcat | stridr: xserver-xorg-video-ati_1%3a6.5.7.3-1_i386.deb right? |
| 06:56.11 | Azar | Jazbo with the risk of being laughed at, I confess: I use ProShield |
| 06:56.41 | deadcat | stridr: or you want glx support? |
| 06:56.49 | stridr | deadcat: that works, for fglrx :) |
| 06:56.53 | deadcat | ah. (= |
| 06:57.06 | Jazbo | Okay so I'd like to use ntpdate to set the time exactly but it's setting the time 6 hours ahead. My time zone is set to america/chicago which is correct. What gives? |
| 06:57.11 | deadcat | luckily i dont have to mess with fglrx since the ibook is ppc hahah.. |
| 06:57.18 | stridr | deadcat: heh |
| 06:57.36 | Jazbo | I'm running sarge stable |
| 06:57.42 | stridr | but you have a nvidia box as well :P |
| 06:57.50 | deadcat | stridr: and ati cards dont play well with Xgl stuff either right? at least not as friendly as nvidia craps |
| 06:58.02 | Azar | Jazbo what if instead you could use United States / Chicago |
| 06:58.18 | Jazbo | All four debian systems I've had has had problems with the time setting |
| 06:58.18 | epsilon | Jazbo: your system clock is running UTC aka GMT? |
| 06:58.18 | deadcat | stridr: ya. so i wait till you guys best it in experimental and i use it when it hits sid (= |
| 06:58.20 | Paivakil | Jazbo: and your hwclock is set to? |
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| 06:58.57 | Jazbo | how can I query the hw clock? |
| 06:59.00 | stridr | deadcat: yeah, no benefits right now, unless you want to take a look at Xgl right NOW :) |
| 06:59.08 | deadcat | true. |
| 06:59.13 | Paivakil | hmm.. local time, then. |
| 06:59.19 | Nopalin | \amethyst: ohh i need to enable it from kernel |
| 06:59.34 | Jazbo | It was working fine for months then just today the time was changed |
| 06:59.34 | epsilon | Jazbo: output of "date -d UTC"? |
| 06:59.52 | deadcat | stridr: what i really want right now is gtk2-engines-clearlooks to get pass version 2.6.. say >= 2.7 |
| 07:00.04 | Paivakil | Jazbo: what is difference between your local timezone and GMT? 6 hours? |
| 07:00.13 | Jazbo | :~# date -d UTC |
| 07:00.14 | Jazbo | Sat Feb 25 00:00:00 UTC 2006 |
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| 07:00.27 | Jazbo | Yes 6 hours between local time and GMT |
| 07:00.28 | \amethyst | Nopalin: aha |
| 07:00.38 | ftsac | hi all |
| 07:00.43 | \amethyst | Nopalin: I still can't find the gconf key for the shortcuts |
| 07:00.46 | stridr | deadcat: yeah, i tried it sometime back. nice, though was a bit flashy |
| 07:00.49 | ftsac | I try to upgrade my box |
| 07:01.06 | ftsac | but it always has error "/uim-anthy_1%3a0.4.6final1-3sarge1_i386.deb" |
| 07:01.24 | Paivakil | Jazbo: so you have hit the util-linux bug - see bug 342887 |
| 07:01.35 | ftsac | I try dpkg --configure -a |
| 07:01.42 | Nopalin | \amethyst: ahh well i appreciate your help, i think in the further i will be help guys like me :p |
| 07:01.42 | Jazbo | Paivakil: where to I look that up? |
| 07:01.51 | ftsac | but it doesn't resolve problem |
| 07:02.13 | Jazbo | to=do |
| 07:02.15 | Paivakil | Jazbo: see if you have the querybts program installed; if so, querybts <bugno> will give you the answer - and the proposed |
| 07:02.34 | Paivakil | s/and the proposed/and the possible solutions are discussed there |
| 07:03.00 | stridr | deadcat: heh, it seems they haven't packaged glxinfo yet, hmm |
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| 07:03.18 | deadcat | maybe its also modulized (= |
| 07:03.25 | epsilon | Jazbo: sorry I meamn output of "date -u" |
| 07:03.26 | sparr | the biggest problem with an all-text email based BTS is that all the information about the bug, and about the emails, is interspersed with the discussion of the bug, which makes it harder to read and to find any specific piece of information |
| 07:03.41 | sparr | </rant> |
| 07:03.45 | Paivakil | sparr: you can download the whole thing b |
| 07:03.57 | Paivakil | sparr: as a mbox file; or view the same in a browser |
| 07:04.09 | Paivakil | straight from querybts program, that is |
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| 07:04.36 | sparr | ive got a vfat drive mounted, only root can write to it. i need to remount it so users can write to it. i tried "mount -oremount,umask=000" to no avail. help? |
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| 07:05.09 | epsilon | Jazbo: 'date -u' should say 7 AM something and 'date' your local time |
| 07:05.48 | Paivakil | Jazbo: right now, /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart will fix things |
| 07:05.51 | Jazbo | Yah, date -u says 7 am |
| 07:05.55 | epsilon | sparr: man mount for mount options (incl access rights) |
| 07:06.18 | stridr | deadcat: well, let's see. I'll try and see if I can get Xgl running here. have a couple of hours to spare now. |
| 07:06.19 | Paivakil | sparr: it should be rw |
| 07:06.20 | epsilon | Jazbo: well your system clock is orrect then |
| 07:06.23 | noiesmo | sparr, try mount -t vfat -o user,rw,exec,umask=000 /dev/hda1 /mnt/dosdrive |
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| 07:06.39 | Jazbo | So I need to reset the hw clock to gw time? |
| 07:06.40 | deadcat | stridr: nice nice nice.. screenshot when it works (= |
| 07:06.41 | sparr | noiesmo: im remounting |
| 07:06.53 | stridr | deadcat: ofcourse :p |
| 07:06.57 | deadcat | hahah |
| 07:07.15 | epsilon | is "umask=000" really recommended? |
| 07:07.18 | Paivakil | Jazbo: or run the hwclock.sh later in the boot process |
| 07:07.46 | Paivakil | Jazbo: that is what I do, created a S99hwclod |
| 07:07.56 | epsilon | Jazbo: your clock is going right |
| 07:08.11 | Paivakil | jason_: s/S99hwclock.sh symlink in the runlevel directory |
| 07:08.41 | quitte | epsilon: no. who says that? |
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| 07:08.54 | epsilon | ? |
| 07:09.07 | Jazbo | epsilon: so how do I make it so that the time is properly displayed as 1am instead of 7? |
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| 07:09.11 | quitte | < epsilon> is "umask=000" really recommended? |
| 07:09.29 | foo | Alright - say I want to make an alarm. Is there anyway I could make something with linux? Maybe run a cat 5 cable outside ... hook it up to a linux box, and set it so that when 2 wires in the 8 wire cable become disconnected linux signals an alarm .... any ideas? Hmm. |
| 07:09.55 | epsilon | quitte: tell that sparr |
| 07:10.17 | quitte | sparr: umask=000 is a very bad idea. always. |
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| 07:11.19 | ekkikrist | heh |
| 07:11.53 | sparr | quitte: what would be better? |
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| 07:12.09 | quitte | sparr: 777 |
| 07:12.11 | sparr | i mean, i could do 111 |
| 07:12.20 | sparr | 777? that means no permissions |
| 07:12.26 | quitte | sparr: don't give write access to the world |
| 07:12.30 | sparr | why? |
| 07:12.38 | sparr | that is precisely what i was trying to do |
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| 07:12.48 | quitte | sparr: why not give your root password to the world? |
| 07:13.04 | sparr | because people can damage my system with my root password? |
| 07:13.15 | quitte | sparr: that is plain stupid use groups and add whoever needs write access to that group |
| 07:13.26 | sparr | ok, so ive put people in the group |
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| 07:13.29 | epsilon | quitte: he ries to mount a VFAT partition - I guess 744, so umask 033 should be good idea |
| 07:13.39 | sparr | im still in the dark on how to give that group write access |
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| 07:13.47 | _joey | could someone recommend a utility that will check the amount of data on a file system and send me an email once it's 90% full? Nagios/mrtg are too bigger tools for the task |
| 07:14.01 | epsilon | or 755 if directories |
| 07:14.06 | bintut | hello all.. i'm having a problem with acpi. my laptop is hp compaq nx6125 that uses an amd turion64 processor. you can check a snippet of my /var/log/messages at http://pastebin.com/571501 |
| 07:14.16 | Jazbo | running /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh doesn't seem to change the clock setting |
| 07:14.23 | epsilon | _joey: quota |
| 07:14.41 | sparr | quitte: ok, once everyone is in the group, what next? |
| 07:15.02 | epsilon | _joey: or write own cronjob/shellscript that calls df and parsing it regulary |
| 07:15.10 | Paivakil | Jazbo: read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=342887&archived=no&mbox=no |
| 07:15.27 | quitte | epsilon:chmod 760 was appropriate. or 770 if you want to give execute permissions to the group |
| 07:15.49 | quitte | epsilon: so umask is 017 or 007 |
| 07:16.06 | Jazbo | Paivakil: It seems to say that I need to set hw clock to gmt but I don't know how to do that |
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| 07:17.06 | quitte | epsilon: sorry |
| 07:17.09 | quitte | sparr: ^^^ |
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| 07:18.00 | sparr | quitte: im still missing something... how would i make the files accessible to the group? |
| 07:18.07 | Jazbo | It's just so annoying that this NEVER seems to be configured properly on the default install |
| 07:18.20 | quitte | sparr: do you want them to read write or execute? |
| 07:18.43 | epsilon | sparr: or give the dir /mnt/vfat the permission for target group, everyone else can access the mount at all |
| 07:19.01 | sparr | quitte: read and write. i dont expect there to be any binaries to execute |
| 07:19.13 | sparr | well, +x on directories |
| 07:19.22 | quitte | sparr so you mount it with a umask to allow rw to that group |
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| 07:19.36 | quitte | sparr: i think the x happens on dirs automatically |
| 07:19.59 | sparr | youve still lost me |
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| 07:20.10 | sparr | the files all belong to root:root when i mount it |
| 07:20.46 | Paivakil | sparr: that is because root is mounting teh directory? |
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| 07:21.14 | sparr | Paivakil: root, or from fstab |
| 07:21.29 | Jazbo | Is nobody else having problems with time? I just find it hard to believe that I've had this problem on all four of my systems, and nobody else has it. I must be doing something studpid |
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| 07:21.37 | Paivakil | Jazbo: you can set the hw clock from the bios - most systems need you to hold down teh `del' key before the boat loader is loaded |
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| 07:22.19 | quitte | sparr: man mount. look out for gid= |
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| 07:22.30 | Jazbo | Paivakil: by bios doesn't allow for setting the time oddly enough |
| 07:22.56 | sparr | quitte: way too much work. remind me again why 777 is bad? |
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| 07:23.15 | Jazbo | well.... guess I'm giving up for tonight. Thanks folks |
| 07:23.55 | quitte | sparr: do whatever you want. but don't come here if you loose your data |
| 07:24.28 | sparr | i loose arrows, not data. |
| 07:24.35 | sparr | i guess i could also loose the hounds |
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| 07:25.16 | quitte | sparr i guess you could also write the weaken-debian howto everybody so much needs |
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| 07:25.42 | sparr | every user on my system is going to be in the group if i do it your way |
| 07:25.43 | Paivakil | bintut: you need to load the `fan` module |
| 07:25.46 | sparr | so whats the difference? |
| 07:26.11 | Azar | Jazbo to understand what you are saying: you did set the time correctly from the beginning and down the road it is resetting to the wrong time? |
| 07:26.33 | Azar | bah he is gone |
| 07:26.33 | Paivakil | Azar: he left |
| 07:26.40 | bintut | Paivakil: how? |
| 07:26.50 | quitte | sparr: what about users like anonymous for ftp or http for apache. or your mail user or whatever user for system daemons? you're unnecessarily opening your filesystem to attacks |
| 07:26.55 | Paivakil | bintut: `modprobe fan' |
| 07:27.02 | comsa | . |
| 07:27.06 | sparr | quitte: yep, those too. |
| 07:27.18 | sparr | worst case, someone deletes my mp3s |
| 07:27.23 | sparr | oh noes! |
| 07:27.39 | shogunx | sparr or gets local root access to the box. |
| 07:27.51 | bintut | Paivakil: i'll try it.. thanks.. |
| 07:28.11 | shogunx | hey everyone, sparr is giving out free accounts! |
| 07:28.27 | Azar | \0/ yay! |
| 07:28.30 | sparr | shogunx: i dont believe you |
| 07:28.57 | sparr | there is no exploit that leads from having write access to a non-system-files drive to getting root access |
| 07:29.12 | quitte | sparr: and the way you ignore basic security it is very likely you'll do the one mistake that gives root to some random guy on the net soon |
| 07:29.20 | shogunx | sparr hand out a few accounts and see what happens |
| 07:29.51 | sparr | shogunx: why? |
| 07:30.03 | quitte | sparr: to prove your statement |
| 07:30.13 | sparr | non sequitur |
| 07:30.18 | Azar | sparr you might want to read how to harden your system if you do not believe advices here |
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| 07:30.45 | sparr | ok, let me make a far more logical statement |
| 07:30.50 | sparr | if someone manages to get access to my box |
| 07:31.06 | quitte | ... we all laugh? |
| 07:31.13 | sparr | there are far easier and more common exploits they can come up with to get root access than the one hypothetical exploit that requires them to have write access to my mp3 drive |
| 07:31.27 | noiesmo | ok so the users have full access to there home folders dont they so whats the dif between a users home folder a vfat partition |
| 07:31.59 | sparr | noiesmo: shhh, no valid points allowed, its fashionable to argue against me |
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| 07:32.30 | shogunx | sparr still using telnet for remote login are we? |
| 07:32.35 | quitte | sparr: you are ignoring basic security. this is in itself bad. |
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| 07:33.05 | liable | shogunx: irellevent |
| 07:33.14 | shogunx | quitte then again, if he gets rooted, he will have learned the hard way. |
| 07:33.29 | Azar | statistics show that only after a major break-in an user/administration starts reading and learning how to secure its box |
| 07:33.40 | Azar | s/administrator |
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| 07:34.37 | Azar | last year, one hour after a fresh reinstall someone broke in and deleted my /var I guess just for fun |
| 07:34.40 | iciclebox | I am trying to upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 07:34.41 | quitte | reminds me that i havent said keylogger on irc,yet |
| 07:34.54 | iciclebox | but I get this error: |
| 07:34.56 | iciclebox | libfam0: Conflicts: libfam0c102 (< 2.7.0-9) but 2.7.0-6sarge1 is installed and it is kept back. |
| 07:35.15 | Gnea | sparr: if someone were to somehow root your box, they would most likely setup some sort of auto-restarting daemon that spams another system on the 'net, draining all of your bandwidth |
| 07:35.17 | shogunx | liable actually no, it was pointing out a similarly known foolish move to try to make him understand to secure his filesystem. |
| 07:35.38 | Miesco | I use timidity as a Alsa sequencer client and use rosegarden with the client, only sometimes it works, how can I debug this? |
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| 07:35.51 | k54 | yay it worked ^_^ |
| 07:36.10 | k54 | ok, now, how do you install the nvidia driver? |
| 07:36.17 | Gnea | !nvidia one-liner |
| 07:36.17 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 07:36.30 | k54 | i know that there's a howto programmed into one of the bots, but i dont know how to trigger it |
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| 07:36.40 | Gnea | k54: I just did |
| 07:36.45 | k54 | ah, thanks :) |
| 07:36.49 | Gnea | np :) |
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| 07:37.48 | Azar | k54 make sure you edit your /etc/apt/sources.list accordingly |
| 07:37.51 | Azar | first |
| 07:38.08 | k54 | oh, i already have contrib and non-free in there |
| 07:38.11 | k54 | thanks, though |
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| 07:40.19 | Azar | wow nice, a device driver test page |
| 07:40.40 | k54 | eeeh? how does that work? |
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| 07:41.26 | liable | you can pretty much copy and psate it. |
| 07:42.17 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:42.18 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:43.02 | Azar | supercool: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 07:43.39 | _joey | I installed perl module found in cache but the doc file for the module has not been installed |
| 07:43.40 | Azar | that from the debian news page: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2006/08/ |
| 07:43.51 | _joey | and I can't find it in cache, surely it should be there:) |
| 07:44.20 | _joey | libfilesys-diskspace-perl module |
| 07:44.22 | Azar | tarzeau I assume you do not have to go this morning :) |
| 07:44.26 | _joey | err package |
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| 07:45.32 | Celeste | hi |
| 07:45.41 | _joey | god damn it |
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| 07:45.45 | shogunx | Azar that is pretty nice |
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| 07:46.01 | Celeste | what can I do to use my SanDisk Cruzer (USB Stick) ? It is plugged in but does NOT show up in the /mnt directory |
| 07:46.27 | iciclebox | I am trying to upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 07:46.29 | iciclebox | but I get this error: |
| 07:46.30 | iciclebox | libfam0: Conflicts: libfam0c102 (< 2.7.0-9) but 2.7.0-6sarge1 is installed and it is kept back. |
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| 07:46.45 | iciclebox | Celeste: try installing usbmgr |
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| 07:46.53 | Azar | shogunx: yep it even gives the driver module names.. :) |
| 07:47.19 | Azar | iciclebox: how do you try to upgrade? |
| 07:47.34 | iciclebox | Azar: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 07:47.54 | Celeste | iciclebox, if I need to install something we need to solve an other problem first ... I am not online and I have no idea how to go online ... |
| 07:48.10 | Azar | iciclebox: did you tried to update first? |
| 07:48.24 | Celeste | iciclebox, I have a PPPoE connection ... on windows I only had to enter my username/password and I was online |
| 07:48.42 | liable | iciclebox: so unhold it. |
| 07:48.47 | iciclebox | Azar: yes, however, I have no URL for security updates |
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| 07:48.54 | iciclebox | liable: how do you do that? |
| 07:49.07 | Azar | the usual drill: edit all your sources in apt to reflect / testing instead of / stable -- do aptitude update then aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 07:49.09 | iciclebox | someone please help Celeste, I am not familiar with linux |
| 07:49.14 | liable | install it, will take it off hold. |
| 07:49.22 | k54 | ok, so something went wrong with the nvidia one-liner |
| 07:49.29 | Azar | wow not familiar with linux and going etch? wooooww |
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| 07:49.33 | LinuxJunkie_ | hi guys |
| 07:49.47 | iciclebox | Azar: I'm still pretty new. I shouldn't go to etch? |
| 07:50.03 | kueano | where can i read up on gpg public key, as applied to debian packages? |
| 07:50.08 | tarzeau | Azar: go where? |
| 07:50.10 | Azar | iciclebox: I am a 3 year newbie in Debian and I would not dare go etch |
| 07:50.21 | tarzeau | Azar: it's saturday, i'll go back sleeping |
| 07:50.22 | Azar | tarzeau: at work I assume |
| 07:50.27 | Azar | :) |
| 07:50.33 | Azar | good deal tarzeau |
| 07:50.44 | tarzeau | i'll go out to zurich, but very much later |
| 07:51.22 | iciclebox | Azar: why so? because I use debian as my workstation, I was thinking of something more cutting edge |
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| 07:51.35 | k54 | "Unknown symbol in module or unknown parameter" is what it tells me...and in dmesg it says "unknown symbol register_ioctl32_conversion |
| 07:51.50 | Celeste | please help me comming online ... PPPoE connection |
| 07:52.02 | quitte | pppoeconf |
| 07:52.03 | liable | pppoeconfig |
| 07:52.04 | shogunx | Celeste try pppoeconf on your network connection |
| 07:52.04 | k54 | (and "unknown symbol unregister_ioctl32_conversion" |
| 07:52.08 | liable | err.. |
| 07:52.15 | Azar | iciclebox: because in my poor way of thinking, going etch is going to unknown places where when dings happen I consider myself unable to find a solution or a fix due to my limited linux knowledge |
| 07:53.04 | Azar | now all people here helped me setup a nice, stable Debian with all I need to enjoy it why would I go etch then come here and harrass them? |
| 07:53.40 | iciclebox | but testing is that problematic? |
| 07:53.42 | Celeste | shogunx, I already tried this tool before and it did not help me comming online. it told me everything would be okay but it was not |
| 07:53.46 | LinuxJunkie_ | hello |
| 07:53.50 | Azar | plus: there is so much to learn while sitting on the stable distro: a lot |
| 07:53.51 | LinuxJunkie_ | can i ask a tech question? |
| 07:53.53 | quitte | Azar: i love you |
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| 07:54.11 | Gnea | !tell LinuxJunkie_ about ask |
| 07:54.32 | iciclebox | ok I'm sticking to sarge then. so I'll just backport for the latest programs? |
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| 07:54.43 | LinuxJunkie_ | sorry |
| 07:54.49 | Gnea | heh |
| 07:54.56 | Gnea | LinuxJunkie_: don't ask to ask - just ask |
| 07:54.58 | Azar | iciclebox: do you really need the latest programs? |
| 07:55.23 | kueano | where can i read up on gpg public key, as applied to debian packages? |
| 07:55.28 | Azar | iciclebox: let's talk firefox as an example: if it works why would one need the latest release? |
| 07:55.36 | iciclebox | Azar: I don't know :) |
| 07:55.37 | quitte | kueano: topic |
| 07:55.46 | LinuxJunkie_ | you guys were in the middle of a convo, but anyways here we go: I tried to mount mass storage (ntfs) as read and write but it doesnt seem to let me write to it |
| 07:55.49 | kueano | quitte, that is too brief. |
| 07:55.53 | iciclebox | yea, guess I don't need them |
| 07:56.07 | liable | kueano: what do you need to know? the key just signs the release file, nothing more. |
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| 07:56.23 | k54 | exit |
| 07:56.27 | LinuxJunkie_ | the mass storage is connected by usb |
| 07:56.45 | kueano | liable, to start with, what is the purpose? next, how to start using it? |
| 07:56.46 | LinuxJunkie_ | sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5 -o rw,users,umask=000 -t ntfs <- this is what i did |
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| 07:57.04 | Gnea | LinuxJunkie_: what version of the ntfs filesystem driver are you using? |
| 07:57.06 | LinuxJunkie_ | i check fstab, and took out ro, but doesnt seem to help |
| 07:57.24 | LinuxJunkie_ | 2.6.12 |
| 07:57.34 | Gnea | no, that's the kernel version |
| 07:57.44 | liable | kueano: its just an extra security measure so that you can be fairly sure your packages are not tampered with. to use it, you need a newer version of debian than sarge |
| 07:57.44 | quitte | kueano: purpose is that man in the middle cannot give you malicious packages |
| 07:57.48 | Gnea | uhm... |
| 07:58.07 | liable | LinuxJunkie_: ntfs rw isnt really supported. |
| 07:58.12 | liable | !ntfs rw |
| 07:58.13 | dpkg | Write support for ntfs is not really available. Ask me about read-ntfs so you can read data on ntfs partitions. see <ro-ntfs> |
| 07:58.14 | LinuxJunkie_ | ? |
| 07:58.16 | Azar | iciclebox: unlike cars, DVD players and other earthly goods, when it comes to Debian I learned that stable packages (which some are calling "old") are packages thoroughly tested and with security updates protection. "new" packages are not included in the stable as being ... new and untested therefore not trustworthy yet. They might be fun, they might have a better design .. etc but might be buggy, would you prefer a new buggy package over |
| 07:58.20 | Gnea | LinuxJunkie_: modinfo ntfs | grep version |
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| 07:59.10 | kueano | liable, quitte, i am using etch. how will it affect my installation of packages? |
| 07:59.12 | liable | !captive ntfs |
| 07:59.13 | LinuxJunkie_ | 2.1.22 |
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| 07:59.43 | liable | kueano: you wont even notice. |
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| 07:59.52 | iciclebox | Azar: still, I was thinking a new distribution would support new hardware |
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| 07:59.57 | Gnea | !ntfs |
| 07:59.57 | dpkg | it has been said that ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 08:00.04 | MalfoeFor | tbh most people I know will bung stale on severs and use unstable on desktops |
| 08:00.06 | LinuxJunkie_ | Gnea, its version 2.1.22 |
| 08:00.15 | kueano | liable, no? on a few occasions, i have been asked about authentication when installation packages. |
| 08:00.19 | widow_ | when I use gaim under debian woody and I have loaded the plugin for the msn messenger it gaves me an error message: Protocol not supported ... what have I to configure to allow a login ? |
| 08:00.33 | Azar | iciclebox: yes indeed and etch is not quite so far away as one might think. I am holding on getting a new box awaiting for the official etch release |
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| 08:00.35 | Gnea | LinuxJunkie_: yeah, i read you the first time - check that url that dpkg just spit out |
| 08:00.55 | liable | kueano: well, if you only have debian official repos, and you have the key, you shouldnt see that message. |
| 08:00.56 | iciclebox | btw, should I use OSS or ALSA? |
| 08:01.07 | Gnea | ALSA |
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| 08:01.53 | Azar | iciclebox: let me give you a sample of "new" technology that gonna hurt everyone because it does not serve the user at all. Read this: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060224-6255.html |
| 08:01.57 | kueano | liable, i have non-official packages and i don't even know if i have a key. do i have to obtain one? |
| 08:02.33 | liable | kueano: what repo? marrilat? |
| 08:02.46 | Gnea | !beer #debian |
| 08:02.55 | kueano | liable, that is one of them, more for wlan. |
| 08:03.17 | liable | kueano: for marillats key, visit his home page and read.. |
| 08:03.36 | liable | kueano: for others, you will have to ask the admin.. |
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| 08:05.01 | kueano | liable, the admin of those non-official packages? u mean i have to do it for everyone of them packages i want to download? |
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| 08:05.56 | liable | kueano: the repo. |
| 08:06.48 | kueano | liable, in the case of debian official repo, how do i get the key? the topic mentioned about 2006 key, does the key change every year? |
| 08:08.11 | liable | kueano: its supplied with the latest version of apt |
| 08:08.40 | dvm1981_lptp | '/msg dpkg 2006 key' |
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| 08:09.08 | dvm1981_lptp | kueano: Try it |
| 08:09.23 | dvm1981_lptp | kueano: without the ' ' |
| 08:09.53 | kueano | liable, so i have to re-install apt. that brings up another q. what happen to those packages that i have already installed? |
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| 08:10.17 | kueano | dvm1981_lptp, that is too brief. tells me nothing much. |
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| 08:10.36 | liable | kueano: you shouldnt have to do anything. |
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| 08:10.42 | liable | for debian repos.. |
| 08:10.43 | dvm1981_lptp | kueano: It tell you how to |
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| 08:10.49 | RedDrag0n | greetings, can someone here be so kind to guide me how do I install (and use) cursor icons in Debian? I've tried using gcursor with no avail, and some few guides on the net, and none has worked yet :( |
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| 08:12.02 | kueano | liable, so my installation would be alright with a mixture of packages installed with and without keys? |
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| 08:12.41 | kueano | dvm1981_lptp, i can't figure out what it is trying to say. |
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| 08:14.15 | dvm1981_lptp | kueano: He say how to add the key. I not know many things about it; i also look in details because i not know it :-/ |
| 08:14.37 | RedDrag0n | so.....nobody does? :( |
| 08:15.20 | dvm1981_lptp | RedDrag0n: Try it again or so when there are other people |
| 08:15.28 | kueano | dvm1981_lptp, that is not necessary if i am using the latest version of apt. |
| 08:15.35 | mugs | does anyoone know the gnucash chatroom? |
| 08:15.59 | RedDrag0n | so, out of 750, 3 are only awake, and 747 are -sleeping- ?? |
| 08:16.08 | RedDrag0n | for the love of God @.@ |
| 08:16.44 | deadcat | RedDrag0n: we just dont want to help you and most people have /ignored you |
| 08:16.51 | mugs | reds, is lurking another word for sleeping? |
| 08:17.02 | kueano | laibel |
| 08:17.19 | dvm1981_lptp | kueano: I had the same msg some time ago on my testing; but not more now |
| 08:17.21 | RedDrag0n | I haven't done anything bad to anyone though deadcat |
| 08:17.26 | RedDrag0n | but eh... I'll be wise and come back later -.-' |
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| 08:18.31 | kueano | liable, my apt is the latest, 0.6.43_2, so i don't have to do anything as far as official debian packages are concerned? |
| 08:18.43 | liable | correct |
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| 08:19.23 | dvm1981_lptp | liable: How you know that? |
| 08:19.42 | Diazepam | guys will the amd64 installation work on older AMD processors (e.g. AMD 500Mhz) ? |
| 08:19.48 | kueano | liable, and i can safely assume that those packages that i installed would be trustworthy, not having been tampered. right? |
| 08:20.12 | kueano | packages that i install from now on |
| 08:20.38 | liable | yes |
| 08:20.44 | Stevie | Diazepam: The amd64 installation will work on 64-bit AMD processors |
| 08:20.55 | Stevie | I do not expect that it would work on any other processor type |
| 08:21.08 | Stevie | including regular x86 processors |
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| 08:21.47 | kueano | liable, for other packages, i may be asked for verification? |
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| 08:22.37 | Diazepam | Stevie - i have an AMD 500Mhz system here i want to turn into a router - what installer should i used (the i386 one just goes into kernel panic) |
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| 08:23.32 | liable | !apt secure |
| 08:23.33 | dpkg | somebody said apt secure was in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D>, or ask me about <2006 key> |
| 08:23.55 | liable | kueano: read those links ^^ |
| 08:24.35 | dvm1981_lptp | liable: hhhmm, i understand i better now :-) |
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| 08:24.49 | kueano | liable, thks. |
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| 08:25.21 | Coke_ | Does the IA64 work with AMD 64 bit archs? |
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| 08:32.34 | iciclebot | anyone can recommend a mp3 player? |
| 08:32.42 | liable | xmms |
| 08:33.04 | dvm1981_lptp | That's a nice one :-) |
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| 08:36.00 | eto | startx, command not found? |
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| 08:36.09 | eto | what happened here? |
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| 08:36.17 | Cyorxamp | Hi how do I install a .deb ?? |
| 08:36.21 | Azar | liable I am trying to find the cause of the windows box rebooting and the connection going down on my lan, could be this a consequence of a dos attack? |
| 08:36.27 | dvm1981_lptp | dpkg -i package |
| 08:36.36 | diego | eto, i have the same same problem... and /etc/X11/X is not executable :S |
| 08:36.39 | Azar | :) haha |
| 08:36.46 | pokute_ | :-) |
| 08:36.50 | dvm1981_lptp | oeps |
| 08:37.00 | liable | Ether_Man: what exactlt did you install? |
| 08:37.04 | Azar | Cyorxamp: what dvm1981_lptp said |
| 08:37.10 | liable | Azar: dunno. sorry. |
| 08:37.33 | liable | eto: what exactly did you install? |
| 08:37.37 | liable | Ether_Man: sorry |
| 08:37.39 | eto | apt-get upgrade |
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| 08:37.42 | dvm1981_lptp | eto: Is the xserver installed ? |
| 08:37.46 | eto | also dselect upgrade |
| 08:38.19 | Henry_Bean | eto, are u in sid? |
| 08:38.23 | eto | unstable |
| 08:38.37 | dvm1981_lptp | sid |
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| 08:38.57 | Henry_Bean | eto, yes... me too, is something awfull broken |
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| 08:39.06 | eto | well, irc works |
| 08:39.15 | insidius | Hi all, I downloaded a small debian image about 108 and 8 mb and whenever i try to install it i get the following message: the installer cannot figure out howto install debian. No installable cd rom was found and no valid mirror was configured. How do i solve this? |
| 08:39.16 | eto | something with X is fucked up |
| 08:39.17 | Azar | eto how would you rate your debian knowledge from 1----------10 ? |
| 08:39.17 | Henry_Bean | i'm using rhapsody for console irc |
| 08:39.20 | liable | so check bts then |
| 08:39.34 | eto | Azar, about 5 |
| 08:39.38 | eto | not a noob |
| 08:39.42 | eto | but a bit pissed |
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| 08:40.11 | dvm1981_lptp | Running sid :-/ |
| 08:40.11 | Azar | ah so then you know what you are doing.. unstable is prone to have issues like that |
| 08:40.22 | eto | sell, this is tricky |
| 08:40.24 | eto | well |
| 08:40.30 | quitte | Azar: is that a scale where 10 is infinite? |
| 08:40.31 | comsa | me <3 |
| 08:40.38 | eto | not having startx function is a bit bizarre |
| 08:41.07 | Azar | quitte 10 would be like hmmmmm experienced sid user, fixing stuff |
| 08:41.45 | dvm1981_lptp | Azar: I hope that i never on the 10, so i can continue to learn :-/ |
| 08:41.47 | Azar | eto last time I tried sid, applications started to not respond, dissapear misteriously from X.. etc.. that kind of stuff |
| 08:42.04 | eto | azar, I don't normally do 'upgrade' |
| 08:42.19 | eto | azar, but I do normally run sid |
| 08:42.29 | Azar | eto I guess dependency hell triggers all sort of misterious things |
| 08:42.46 | eto | that's a good point |
| 08:42.53 | eto | some shit didn't install cleanly |
| 08:43.07 | eto | I'm just shocked that X is broken. |
| 08:43.13 | eto | and need a clue |
| 08:43.23 | dvm1981_lptp | eto: And ez |
| 08:43.36 | dvm1981_lptp | eto: And when you reinstall it? |
| 08:43.46 | Azar | you could start by figuring out which were the latest applications you installed/upgraded |
| 08:43.55 | eto | apt-get upgrade |
| 08:43.59 | eto | everything |
| 08:44.07 | Henry_Bean | well, iAzar, how to look at that? |
| 08:44.11 | liable | yeah so check your dpkg log |
| 08:44.26 | Henry_Bean | where is the apt log? |
| 08:44.27 | Azar | eto did you know that aptitude is a better choice direct related to dependency help? |
| 08:44.41 | Azar | Henry_Bean: in /var/log |
| 08:44.51 | iciclebot | anyone a video player to recommend? |
| 08:45.00 | eto | iciclebot, mplayer |
| 08:45.14 | eto | azar, aptitude is new :) |
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| 08:45.26 | Henry_Bean | Azar, thanks, everything is where it has to be xD, that's why i love debian :P |
| 08:45.37 | Azar | eto yes, however I do not know how relevant is aptitude in sid |
| 08:45.58 | eto | azar, I haven't tried aptitude so much |
| 08:46.00 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: Xine? |
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| 08:46.25 | iciclebot | dvm1981_lptp: ah, no xine |
| 08:46.28 | iciclebot | nor mplayer |
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| 08:46.36 | Azar | eto I adopted aptitude since I upgraded to sarge. I use it with confidence when it comes to system installations |
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| 08:47.22 | iciclebot | I'm on sarge, btw |
| 08:47.26 | eto | my mouse is not working between terminals |
| 08:47.46 | eto | dpkg says it doesn't want to overwrite a file |
| 08:47.54 | dvm1981_lptp | eto: gpm? |
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| 08:48.38 | iciclebot | dvm1981_lptp: can't find xine. something else? |
| 08:49.10 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: What is the problem with it? |
| 08:49.15 | eto | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.15 | iciclebot | no such package |
| 08:49.32 | eto | who does that? |
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| 08:49.40 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: marillat? |
| 08:49.52 | iciclebot | nope. I'm on sarge |
| 08:50.05 | liable | !find xine |
| 08:50.06 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: Say that somethings? marillat? |
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| 08:50.16 | peterS | eto: it should say "...which is also in package _____" |
| 08:50.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xine' (5 of 18): (/usr/lib/osgPlugins/osgdb_xine.so) in libs/libopenscenegraph2 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde3/kcm_xinerama.so) in libdevel/kdebase-dbg ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libarts_xine.so) in libdevel/kdemultimedia-dbg ;; (/usr/include/xfce4/libxfcegui4/xinerama.h) in libdevel/libxfcegui4-dev ;; (/usr/lib/kde3/{kcm_xinerama.la|kcm_xinerama.so}) in kde/kcontrol. |
| 08:50.41 | iciclebot | dvm1981_lptp: no marillat too |
| 08:50.43 | insidius | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.43 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: Look by you're friend (google) |
| 08:50.53 | iciclebot | alright thanks |
| 08:50.56 | eto | peterS, also in package xfree86-common |
| 08:51.16 | dvm1981_lptp | insidius: You forget to add an source? |
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| 08:51.28 | peterS | eto: so try upgrading xfree86-common. likely there is an undeclared conflict in there, and that is the most likely workaround. |
| 08:51.35 | wols_ | insidius: run apt-setup |
| 08:51.50 | peterS | eto: to upgrade a single package, just use 'apt-get install xfree86-common' |
| 08:52.07 | liable | is that even still in sid? |
| 08:52.09 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: I think you not understand what marillat is. So look on the net |
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| 08:52.12 | eto | peterS, I will try upgrading a single package |
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| 08:52.19 | yos87 | hi |
| 08:52.24 | insidius | i get through the initial setup but then i get that error message when it goes to install base, i thought it was supposed to install from net but i mush have missed something |
| 08:52.35 | eto | peterS, I tried installing a few, all x related |
| 08:53.01 | wols_ | insidius: check if yourr CD rom is recognized |
| 08:53.22 | eto | peterS, x11-common needs everything else I tried to install |
| 08:53.41 | eto | peterS, I can't copy the command line from the other terminal to this one |
| 08:54.05 | insidius | yeah my cd rom is recognised thats how i get that far into the install, im thinking more thats its my ethernet card that is not recognised, i am using the net-install image. I grabbed it after going to debian.org |
| 08:54.15 | peterS | eto: well, you already have xfree86-common installed, try to upgrade it to the latest version using 'apt-get install xfree86-common'. after you've done this, you may have better luck - that other file conflict may have disappeared |
| 08:54.33 | wols_ | insidius: no. base install is from floppy/CD only |
| 08:54.36 | eto | peterS, no, no luck |
| 08:54.38 | wols_ | base files that is |
| 08:54.46 | wols_ | that's why the ISO is 100MB+ |
| 08:54.49 | vyrus001 | how do i find out where my firefox plugin dir is ? |
| 08:55.04 | iciclebot | dvm1981_lptp: oh thanks, now I get it. |
| 08:55.26 | yos87 | peter samiulson |
| 08:55.45 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: Simply he ;-) |
| 08:56.36 | eto | peterS, libx11-6 depends x11-common, xfree86-common depends x11-common, xserver-common depends x11-common |
| 08:56.37 | insidius | Ok so i thought that using the image i got that the base system etc was installed from the internet? I am wrong? |
| 08:56.42 | peterS | eto: ok here's another idea. it seems xfree86-common is not needed by most other packages anymore |
| 08:56.55 | peterS | eto: so you can probably just remove it with 'apt-get remove --purge xfree86-common' |
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| 08:57.13 | eto | I've been using xfree for like years now. |
| 08:57.24 | eto | remove it? |
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| 08:57.30 | Allergie | bonjour |
| 08:57.34 | peterS | eto: you're not using xfree86 anymore, you're using x.org now |
| 08:57.45 | Allergie | oups i mistake the -fr ;) |
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| 08:58.45 | eto | peterS, I know I'm using xfree86 because I fight with that and NVidia's drivers |
| 08:59.04 | eto | peterS, is x.org the new debian style? |
| 08:59.20 | eto | peterS, and is that why startx doesn't exist now? |
| 08:59.22 | wols_ | pretty much any distro by now uses xorg |
| 08:59.26 | peterS | eto: from the version numbers you posted earlier, it appears you're using unstable |
| 08:59.41 | peterS | eto: unstable does not have xfree86 in it, only xorg. this is not going to change. |
| 08:59.42 | eto | peterS, I just upgrade when I need to |
| 08:59.58 | eto | peterS, like if something is broken |
| 09:00.53 | peterS | eto: well, upgrading X packages to unstable probably can't be done piecemeal, you probably have to pull them *all* in at once, meaning you're switching completely over to xorg. you can keep your 'xserver-xfree86' package, probably (that's the X server itself) but most other things come as a group |
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| 09:01.42 | liable | an upgrade should have removed xfree86 iirc |
| 09:02.09 | peterS | liable: not xfree86-common, a package of that name is still shipped by xorg, to ease upgrades |
| 09:02.19 | peterS | liable: and not xserver-xfree86, it's a separate package which can coexist with xserver-xorg |
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| 09:02.34 | eto | ok, so, what did I do wrong? |
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| 09:02.44 | iciclebot | dvm1981_lptp: is there a good list of debian-marillat mirrors? |
| 09:02.46 | peterS | eto: used unstable and expected to have no problems (: |
| 09:02.49 | bintut | hello all.. anyone cares to check my snippet of my /var/log/messages at http://pastebin.com/571501 ? |
| 09:02.54 | liable | peterS: oki doki |
| 09:02.58 | eto | peterS, how to fix it, right now? |
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| 09:03.20 | eto | I don't care about x.org or xfree or anything. |
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| 09:03.38 | eto | I just want X to work. |
| 09:03.45 | eto | Sun would be fine. |
| 09:03.47 | eto | HISS HISS |
| 09:03.50 | peterS | eto: try this: dpkg -i --force-depends --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/xfree86-common_6.9.0*.deb |
| 09:03.55 | eto | ok |
| 09:03.57 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: Everyone make a bit packages. So it can by difficult. But i really recommend you to not add non-official others. Or it can break the system |
| 09:04.25 | peterS | eto: that will force the new xfree86-common package to install before that other stuff gets upgraded (which is the part that was failing) |
| 09:04.38 | iciclebot | dvm1981_lptp: er in that case how would I get xine if I don't add a marillat mirror? |
| 09:04.45 | insidius | so should i not use the net install image? |
| 09:04.58 | bintut | i'm using HP Compaq nx6125 amd turion64 processor and my fan doesn't work. the acpi modules are loaded especially the fan and thermal but still my fans doesn't work at all. kindly check my snippet at http://pastebin.com/571501 thanks. |
| 09:05.09 | dingus9 | what could be the cause of mouse devices not working (cat /dev/psaux and cat /dev/input/mice) : no suck device ? |
| 09:05.13 | insidius | i dont want to have to download a huge image, i thought using net install i could just download what i needed |
| 09:05.21 | peterS | dingus9: lack of 'mousedev' module loaded into your kernel |
| 09:05.23 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: You have now all what you need on you system. It's time to learn all the diferents packages that there are dispo; and there are really many |
| 09:05.29 | peterS | dingus9: try this: modprobe mousedev |
| 09:05.53 | bintut | i'm using HP Compaq nx6125 amd turion64 processor and my fan doesn't work. the acpi modules are loaded especially the fan and thermal but still my fans doesn't work at all. kindly check my snippet at http://pastebin.com/571501 thanks. |
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| 09:05.55 | dingus9 | cool peterS |
| 09:06.01 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: By dowloading an 'deb' file and install it with 'dpkg -i package' |
| 09:06.26 | prolific | I just installed and I'm trying to get alsa installed, however alsa-base depends on alsa-utils and vice versa. What's the haps? |
| 09:06.35 | eto | my page up doesn't work |
| 09:06.43 | eto | peterS, what was that command? |
| 09:06.50 | iciclebot | dvm1981_lptp: thanks |
| 09:06.55 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: But i not recomend it; because you must follow and do the upgrades of that package |
| 09:06.57 | peterS | eto: dpkg -i --force-depends --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/xfree86-common_6.9.0*.deb |
| 09:07.12 | iciclebot | dvm1981_lptp: then what do you recommend? |
| 09:07.41 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: So if you use the source list; the updates are simply with 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' |
| 09:07.53 | dondelelcaro | peterS: you really shouldn't need the --force-depends for that... |
| 09:08.07 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: I recommend you to add the (( |
| 09:08.12 | eto | peterS, I don't have an xarchives |
| 09:08.34 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: 'contrib' and 'non-free' to the source.list |
| 09:08.36 | peterS | dondelelcaro: well, the new x11-common couldn't install because it tried to overwrite files in xfree86-common. I didn't check to see if the new xfree86-common depends on a new x11-common |
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| 09:08.50 | dondelelcaro | peterS: right, so just use an overwrite... |
| 09:08.52 | peterS | eto: a what? I said /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 09:09.11 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I wanted him to install the new *xfree86-common*, not the new *x11-common* |
| 09:09.19 | dondelelcaro | !overwrite |
| 09:09.19 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
| 09:09.21 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: If you need it :-/ |
| 09:09.30 | Henry_Bean | peterS, i think he says that the file is not on his local machine |
| 09:09.41 | iciclebot | dvm1981_lptp: well I do have contrib and non-free, just that no xine |
| 09:09.46 | peterS | Henry_Bean: that's odd, I told him to apt-get install it, apt should've downloaded it |
| 09:09.56 | iciclebot | dvm1981_lptp: so I should just download xine from firefox? |
| 09:10.04 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: no |
| 09:10.20 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: You do not have do 'apt-get update'? |
| 09:10.27 | Henry_Bean | :( trying to fix the same thing that eto i had broke my gnome too :'( |
| 09:10.41 | iciclebot | dvm1981_lptp: I did that, but no xine, because I have no marillat mirror |
| 09:10.47 | iciclebot | in sources.list |
| 09:10.52 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: hhhmmm |
| 09:11.07 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: You need it i think |
| 09:11.11 | liable | xine is in the debian repos |
| 09:11.13 | dondelelcaro | peterS: sure, but the new one should just be an empty package which depends on x11-common. [well, empty save for /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common] |
| 09:11.21 | liable | apt-cache search xine |
| 09:11.38 | sparr | last time i tried to report a bug i learned that my MTA doesnt work any more :( |
| 09:11.48 | peterS | dondelelcaro: right, but I thought it might have a versioned dep on x11-common, hence the --force-depends since he doesn't have the new x11-common installed |
| 09:11.57 | iciclebot | liable: woah. how come it's in my cache, but dpkg doesn't list any? |
| 09:12.02 | peterS | dondelelcaro: it seems it doesn't have a versioned dep, just a normal one, so that probably wouldn't have been needed |
| 09:12.19 | liable | iciclebot: which dpkg? |
| 09:12.26 | iciclebot | liable: dpkg -l "*xine*" |
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| 09:12.37 | dondelelcaro | peterS: iirc, there's just a versioned conflict... |
| 09:12.39 | dvm1981_lptp | !tell iciclebot about marillat |
| 09:12.41 | liable | iciclebot: cause its not installed.. |
| 09:13.03 | peterS | dondelelcaro: --force-depends should override versioned conflicts too, no? |
| 09:13.03 | eto | I can't even install gpm to cut and paste. |
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| 09:13.17 | iciclebot | liable: eh, but I have packages that dpkg lists as not installed too |
| 09:13.25 | peterS | eto: what happens when you install gpm? that's an area of some personal interest, as it happens |
| 09:13.28 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, but in this case, you don't really want to override them. |
| 09:13.29 | liable | shouldnt --force-overwrite do what he needs? |
| 09:13.30 | dvm1981_lptp | iciclebot: Read the info that dpkg give you |
| 09:13.49 | iciclebot | dvm1981_lptp: got it |
| 09:13.50 | dondelelcaro | (since the old version being there, and the new one being installed ontop is a bad situtation.) |
| 09:13.58 | eto | peterS, apt-get install gpm results in the same crap |
| 09:14.03 | liable | iciclebot: uninstalled |
| 09:14.05 | peterS | liable: I don't like --force-overwrite, it can leave your system with missing files. --force-depends might have other problems but they seem more tractable |
| 09:14.19 | eto | peterS, 'you might want to run apt-get -f install' |
| 09:14.35 | iciclebot | liable: so why doesn't dpkg list some of the programs in my cache as uninstalled too? |
| 09:14.38 | bintut | i'm using HP Compaq nx6125 amd turion64 processor and my fan doesn't work. the acpi modules are loaded especially the fan and thermal but still my fans doesn't work at all. kindly check my snippet at http://pastebin.com/571501 thanks. |
| 09:14.42 | streuner_ | both are a PITA - better to live without that |
| 09:14.50 | peterS | eto: so what again was the problem with 'dpkg -i --force-depends /var/cache/apt/archives/xfree86-common_6.9.0*.deb'? |
| 09:14.55 | liable | peterS: ok, for a simple whining about a file already there, i thought it to be the easy way out.. |
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| 09:15.13 | peterS | liable: it's the easy way out and sometimes the right thing to do, but I'm always a little wary of it |
| 09:15.35 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: I had the same shit here on my laptop |
| 09:15.39 | dondelelcaro | it generally is the right thing to do, but I still don't understand how eto even has such a conflict, since I didn't see it with 6.9.0 |
| 09:15.46 | liable | peterS: fair enough |
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| 09:15.52 | bintut | dvm1981_lptp: were you able to solve it already? |
| 09:16.04 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: Take a big external fan to not blow the cpu, the time you fix it |
| 09:16.17 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: A great part yes ;-) |
| 09:16.17 | liable | iciclebot: no idea |
| 09:16.22 | eto | peterS, dpkg: error processing, blah blah |
| 09:16.25 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: a moment |
| 09:16.25 | ParoXsitiC | Hello, I am new to debian/linux and I wonder how I can set it up so that has a GUI representation. I believe i'll want KDE |
| 09:16.32 | bintut | dvm1981_lptp: how did you fix it? |
| 09:16.32 | ParoXsitiC | How do i start |
| 09:16.35 | bintut | dvm1981_lptp: ok.. |
| 09:16.45 | eto | peterS, post-installation error 1 |
| 09:16.55 | peterS | eto: did you also try removing xfree86-common? |
| 09:17.04 | peterS | eto: I seem to recall suggesting that at least twice |
| 09:17.07 | liable | iciclebot: anyway, if you want to find a package, use apt-cache, not dpkg. |
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| 09:17.13 | iciclebot | liable: alright |
| 09:17.36 | liable | iciclebot: or even better aptitude |
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| 09:17.48 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/contrib/wrote/compaq_armada_1750/ |
| 09:18.18 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: There are also many info on 'linux on laptop'; |
| 09:18.27 | bintut | ok |
| 09:18.31 | bintut | checking it.. |
| 09:18.52 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: Have you take an big external fan the get the temp down? You risk to burn the cpu if it come to hot |
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| 09:19.11 | bintut | dvm1981_lptp: i'll read it first.. |
| 09:19.50 | eto | peterS, this is a hassle |
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| 09:19.56 | peterS | yes |
| 09:19.58 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: You're fan man; it comme hot hot hot and the computer can die; really, the most poeple having the same shit laptop as my are all dead :-/ |
| 09:20.21 | eto | peterS, I can't figure out how to uninstall xfree without getting into a disaster with everything dependent on it |
| 09:20.35 | peterS | eto: on my system nothing much seems to be dependent on xfree86-common. |
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| 09:20.45 | bintut | dvm1981_lptp: yeah, i know. currently and sad to say, i'm using xp. so, the fan is perfectly working.. |
| 09:20.46 | eto | hmm |
| 09:20.48 | peterS | eto: why everything on your system would is more than I can say |
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| 09:20.52 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: I mean it really, take an external fan to get the temp down; please!!! |
| 09:21.10 | streuner_ | as long as you have all debs in cache, it wouldn't hurd to remove X at all and install it completly NEW |
| 09:21.15 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: Because he use the APM or so? |
| 09:21.27 | bintut | dvm1981_lptp: i'm still reading the doc |
| 09:21.31 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: No bad, because he use ACPI |
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| 09:21.56 | bintut | dvm1981_lptp: my laptop is HP Compaq nx6125 that uses an AMD Turion64 processor |
| 09:22.02 | eto | brb |
| 09:22.13 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: But same shit it looks ;-) |
| 09:22.22 | bintut | yeah |
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| 09:22.26 | insidius | Can anyone tell me why this i get this error when trying to install debian. I thought i could install it from the web once i burnt the image: the installer cannot figure out howto install debian. No installable cd rom was found and no valid mirror was configured. How do i solve this? |
| 09:22.46 | insidius | how can i fix this, can i specify a mirror somehow or something? |
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| 09:23.08 | wols_ | insidius: no. check if your CD is mounted |
| 09:23.25 | eto3 | insidius, also check to see if it's a valid CD |
| 09:23.29 | liable | insidius: at what stage during the install do you get this and what is the exact url you got the iso from? |
| 09:24.00 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: I really hope it help you |
| 09:24.14 | bintut | dvm1981_lptp: yeah.. thanks for the link.. :) |
| 09:24.23 | wols_ | and that you boot from it means nothing. booting is done via floppy emulation, that copying needs proper CD acces. check dmesg if that CD ´drive has been recognized by the kernel |
| 09:24.30 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: Thank my only if it help :-/ |
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| 09:24.45 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: But i think ... |
| 09:25.00 | eto3 | Who was telling me to run aptitude? |
| 09:25.06 | eto3 | That's really cute. |
| 09:25.10 | bintut | dvm1981_lptp: but at least you responded even if the link can help or not.. :) |
| 09:25.25 | kdean06 | Can someone help me diagnose why my ethernet card keeps dying on me? I'm getting "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transit timed out" with a whole bunch of other stuff. Any asssitance would be greatly appreciated. |
| 09:25.32 | streuner_ | eto3: for those people who are able to handle it :-) |
| 09:25.38 | eto3 | I have no X. |
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| 09:26.01 | liable | eto3: err, you dont need x for aptitude.. |
| 09:26.05 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: ;-) |
| 09:26.11 | insidius | OK I get through all the initial stuff like network config and stuff and the partioning. But when it goes to install base i get the error and the url is http://cdimage.debian.org |
| 09:26.20 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: But get an good eye on the temp of the CPU please!!! |
| 09:26.37 | bintut | yeah |
| 09:26.40 | bintut | :) |
| 09:26.40 | ParoXsitiC | does anyone have any speedy sources that would have X and KDE on them. I am current download at 20K from security.debian.org and its painfully slow |
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| 09:26.54 | eto3 | liable: really? |
| 09:26.59 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: How hot is it? |
| 09:27.01 | eto3 | liable: I can't install anything right now. |
| 09:27.16 | liable | insidius: why didnt you pick a proper mirror? how did you end up with that one? |
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| 09:27.37 | eto3 | liable: And I thought aptitude would help, but it doesn't work. |
| 09:27.38 | insidius | liable thats where i got the image from liable |
| 09:27.40 | liable | eto3: its curses based, and you can also use it from cli just like apt-get |
| 09:28.03 | liable | insidius: oh. |
| 09:28.05 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: In my case cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/C106/temperature |
| 09:28.09 | insidius | I dont know how to set a mirror for installation lialbe, im new to this sorta stuff windows just does it all usally |
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| 09:28.20 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: 63 C |
| 09:28.26 | liable | insidius: the network was detected ok though? and you chose a mirror? |
| 09:28.28 | streuner_ | oh |
| 09:28.30 | eto3 | liable: apt-get install aptitude ... crap about libx11-6 and whatnot |
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| 09:28.47 | liable | eto3: huh? its not already installed? |
| 09:28.48 | streuner_ | eto3: just use apt-get |
| 09:28.52 | dvm1981_lptp | bintut: But is normal on this laptop; he is a bit to hot :-/ strange crap :-/ |
| 09:28.56 | streuner_ | eto3: for now |
| 09:29.26 | liable | !ig |
| 09:29.27 | eto3 | streuner_: apt-get aptitude doesn't work |
| 09:29.27 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 09:29.32 | liable | insidius: ^^ |
| 09:29.36 | streuner_ | eto3: you didn't 'clean' the cache? |
| 09:29.39 | peterS | eto3: he means just run aptitude directly |
| 09:29.49 | insidius | Liable, it never gave me the option to choose a mirror, i gave it a static ip within the range of my other pcs (im running a static network). I am thinking mabye it does not like the ethernet card in it |
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| 09:29.51 | bintut | not really on my laptop |
| 09:29.54 | eto3 | peterS: aptitude, command not found |
| 09:29.59 | serprime | hi.. q: how to install the wlan-driver ipw2200bg?? is there a detailed howto? |
| 09:30.07 | peterS | eto3: anyway I doubt aptitude would solve your problem |
| 09:30.17 | dvm1981_lptp | serprime: ndiswrapper? |
| 09:30.21 | eto3 | peterS: I agree. |
| 09:30.43 | liable | me too, i was just arguing the point.. :) |
| 09:31.12 | eto3 | What's the x.org package? |
| 09:31.17 | dvm1981_lptp | serprime: Try to go on the website of it. |
| 09:31.25 | peterS | eto3: there are about a hundred of them |
| 09:31.37 | peterS | eto3: so I guess you'll have to be more specific |
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| 09:31.59 | serprime | dvm1981_lptp, ok, i do |
| 09:32.05 | dvm1981_lptp | !tell serprime about ndiswrapper |
| 09:32.05 | eto3 | I just want to run X again. |
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| 09:32.14 | eto3 | I've been doing it for years. |
| 09:32.15 | insidius | Screw it, instead of the net install image ill just grab the one that has everything and takes forever to download |
| 09:32.18 | eto3 | And somehow it's broken. |
| 09:32.32 | eto3 | wah |
| 09:32.42 | peterS | eto3: yeah, so, explain again why removing xfree86-common didn't help |
| 09:32.46 | streuner_ | eto3: hm, so you want tell us you running sid for years? |
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| 09:33.44 | liable | insidius: after configuring the network it should ask for a mirror. |
| 09:33.48 | eto3 | peterS: apt-get remove xfree86-common |
| 09:34.03 | ParoXsitiC | does anyone have any speedy sources that would have X and KDE on them. I am current download at 20K from security.debian.org and its painfully slow |
| 09:34.04 | eto3 | peterS: the following packages have unmet dependencies |
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| 09:34.34 | eto3 | peterS: libx11-6, libxft1, xserver-common |
| 09:34.54 | streuner_ | eto3: so remove it |
| 09:34.59 | peterS | streuner_: you're not helping |
| 09:35.09 | liable | ParoXsitiC: apt-spy |
| 09:35.46 | ParoXsitiC | liable: would netselect-apt work just as good |
| 09:35.48 | streuner_ | peterS: you talking with him, i think 30 minutes, and you are on the same point than before. |
| 09:35.48 | peterS | eto3: so you still have old versions of those packages installed. try this: dpkg --purge --force-depends xfree86-common |
| 09:35.51 | liable | ParoXsitiC: oh, sorry, your fucked, theres no mirrors for security' |
| 09:35.54 | peterS | streuner_: you aren't helping |
| 09:36.00 | peterS | streuner_: your suggestions aren't useful |
| 09:36.19 | liable | ParoXsitiC: it sucks, but thats life |
| 09:36.26 | streuner_ | peterS: well, your suggestions seems not help either |
| 09:36.29 | peterS | eto3: it will complain about those dependencies, but then it'll do it anyway. then you can probably upgrade the rest of your packages so they'll work again |
| 09:36.45 | peterS | streuner_: your suggestions don't even sound like they *could* do any good |
| 09:37.07 | insidius | Liable, hmm thats wierd i wonder why its not asking me for a mirror then |
| 09:37.08 | eto3 | peterS: that at least did something |
| 09:37.25 | streuner_ | peterS: they would be easy ;-) (remove X and install it completly new) |
| 09:37.38 | liable | insidius: me too. did you get the net-inst, or business card iso? |
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| 09:37.46 | peterS | eto3: right, now try 'apt-get install libx11-6 libxft1 xserver-common' |
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| 09:38.04 | peterS | eto3: which should upgrade those to versions which don't depend on xfree86-common, which might solve your whole tangled problem |
| 09:38.31 | ParoXsitiC | liable: i ran netselect-apt and ti foudn the best mirrors, its running at 800K instead of 30 now |
| 09:38.36 | ParoXsitiC | thanks all bye |
| 09:38.49 | liable | for security? |
| 09:38.54 | dingus9 | what start up script is responsible for loading modprobe |
| 09:39.21 | peterS | dingus9: see for yourself, grep modprobe /etc/rcS.d/* /etc/rc2.d/* |
| 09:39.34 | liable | err modprobe isnt loaded.. it loads stuff and prolly by discover or hotplug |
| 09:40.17 | dingus9 | thanks I couldn't rember where it was peterS |
| 09:40.23 | liable | theres no security mirrors is there? |
| 09:40.28 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:43.11 | streuner_ | peterS: btw, its not completly absurd, because you didn't get any detailed infos the last 30 minutes... |
| 09:43.29 | peterS | streuner_: and you did? |
| 09:43.42 | streuner_ | peterS: no, of course not :-) |
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| 09:44.41 | liable | theres no security mirrors is there? |
| 09:44.52 | peterS | liable: yes, but they're all called security.debian.org |
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| 09:45.10 | liable | right |
| 09:45.11 | eto3 | streuner_: he didn't get any detailed info because I can't cut and paste |
| 09:45.37 | streuner_ | eto3: yes, but you can write? |
| 09:45.44 | peterS | eto3: so is apt-get install working again, or what? |
| 09:46.08 | insidius | liable, i got net-install not the buisness card |
| 09:46.33 | eto3 | to all: I'm trying to force an uninstall of libxft-dev |
| 09:47.01 | peterS | eto3: that's a harmless enough package to remove, you can just use 'dpkg --remove' or 'dpkg --purge' for that one |
| 09:47.07 | liable | insidius: you should be able to at least install base from that cd |
| 09:47.57 | dvm1981_lptp | eto3: or apt-get remove --force package |
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| 09:49.04 | eto3 | OH GOD |
| 09:49.08 | eto3 | IS THIS WORKING? |
| 09:49.24 | dvm1981_lptp | eto3: What? |
| 09:49.28 | liable | OMFG LOLZ |
| 09:49.56 | eto3 | ha ha |
| 09:50.07 | eto3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:50.15 | eto3 | that's an interesting twist |
| 09:51.20 | eto3 | peterS, thanks for all the help |
| 09:51.25 | peterS | eto3: you may need to install the 'xserver-xorg' package. it's supposed to coexist with xserver-xfree86, but the latter may have been removed from your system at some point |
| 09:51.48 | _joey | what utility do I use to reconfigure installed package ? |
| 09:51.57 | peterS | _joey: dpkg-reconfigure or configure-debian |
| 09:51.59 | streuner_ | dpkg-reconfigure package |
| 09:52.14 | _joey | thanks |
| 09:52.19 | peterS | _joey: the latter is a dialog box that shows you all the packages you *can* dpkg-reconfigure, and reconfigures them on demand |
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| 09:53.43 | insidius | liable, i think that the image i got just does not like my network card, it has no option to select a mirror |
| 09:53.45 | _joey | thanks |
| 09:53.45 | streuner_ | eto3: so X works? |
| 09:54.05 | liable | insidius: are you booting with linux26? |
| 09:54.37 | eto3 | streuner_: I don't know just yet. |
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| 09:54.53 | streuner_ | eto3: what does 'apt-get -f install' show you? |
| 09:54.59 | dvm1981_lptp | peterS: configure-debian not work on my system, i miss somethings? |
| 09:55.00 | insidius | liable/ linux 26? |
| 09:55.10 | liable | yes |
| 09:55.11 | peterS | dvm1981_lptp: it's a separate package, you may not have it installed |
| 09:55.31 | dvm1981_lptp | peterS: Nice ;-) thx |
| 09:55.37 | _joey | script is ready:) |
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| 09:55.53 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 09:56.05 | eto3 | streuner_: startx now just hangs ... but that's better than command not found |
| 09:56.08 | peterS | dvm1981_lptp: it's not *that* special, it doesn't do anything except run 'dpkg-reconfigure' for you. but it does let you navigate through your packages and find *what* you want to reconfigure. |
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| 09:56.20 | eto3 | starts: apt-get -f install is 0 0 0 and 25 not upgraded |
| 09:56.32 | streuner_ | eto3: nothing more? |
| 09:56.32 | eto3 | uh |
| 09:56.38 | eto3 | streuner_: |
| 09:56.41 | eto3 | not starts |
| 09:56.49 | streuner_ | no concflicts? |
| 09:56.57 | eto3 | everything is fine |
| 09:56.57 | streuner_ | conflicts? |
| 09:57.06 | eto3 | I guess I just have to set up x.orf |
| 09:57.07 | eto3 | org |
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| 09:57.16 | streuner_ | eto3: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 09:57.22 | dvm1981_lptp | peterS: Yes, i have understand :-) But like i know not that thing, i would like to try it. And also like a not know all things that can be reconfigure |
| 09:57.35 | streuner_ | eto3: just tell us the version of libc6 |
| 09:57.41 | eto3 | streuner_: without cut and paste that's a problem |
| 09:57.54 | streuner_ | eto3: i said, tell us the version |
| 09:57.56 | peterS | eto3: heh, you can install gpm now if you wish (: |
| 09:58.18 | LsD- | im getting an error from adduser | groupadd: GID 1001 is not unique | adduser: `/usr/sbin/groupadd -g 1001 test' returned error code 4. Aborting. | any idea on what i can do about it? |
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| 09:58.33 | peterS | eto3: really he just wants to know whether you're running unstable. that's what that command really says |
| 09:58.35 | Mardus | I wanted to tell (ok, boast a bit) that I managed to compile and install a desired version of gtk2.x, some dependencies for it, some dependencies for gaim and finally I managed to compile and install a favoured version of gaim myself!!! |
| 09:59.03 | liable | !congratulate Mardus |
| 09:59.03 | dpkg | Nice one Mardus, you did it! |
| 09:59.31 | eto3 | libc6 2.3.6-2 |
| 09:59.38 | Mardus | Ah well, yea, only that I installed it without Tcl and Tk. |
| 10:00.16 | streuner_ | !info libc6 sid |
| 10:00.20 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 5042 kB, Installed size: 16576 kB |
| 10:01.39 | dvm1981_lptp | LsD-: Already used? |
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| 10:02.04 | ftsac | hi all |
| 10:02.08 | LsD- | ahh yes |
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| 10:02.21 | homekneet | Odd question. Running phpldapadmin (under apache2 on sid). php is running fine - the login shows up - I can log in - it shows logged in - then - it gives me the download dialog for tree.php. Howcome all the other .php documents have been parsed by php (as are phpmyadmin, drupal etc on the same server) but not tree.php ? |
| 10:02.22 | ftsac | I have problem with apt-get update |
| 10:02.28 | ftsac | n dpkg in this case automatically because that command can |
| 10:02.28 | ftsac | cause an unexpected change in the users system, like configuring packages. |
| 10:02.29 | ftsac | If dpkg had some other command that only cleaned up after it crashed then |
| 10:02.29 | ftsac | APT could call that. |
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| 10:02.35 | LsD- | any way i can update it to make it see its used or something? |
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| 10:02.53 | insidius | Hmm thats wierd the install seems to be working this time - oh wait a new error couldnt download libc6 |
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| 10:04.00 | liable | insidius: you dont even need internet to install the base system. (but you wont have any gui shits when its finished) |
| 10:04.29 | eto3 | gooey shits |
| 10:04.37 | streuner_ | eto3: did you follow the suggestion of peterS? |
| 10:04.44 | eto3 | I'm trying. |
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| 10:05.14 | dvm1981_lptp | LsD-: So it was already used? |
| 10:05.24 | LsD- | dvm1981_lptp, yes |
| 10:05.26 | dvm1981_lptp | ftsac, type on a typewriter? |
| 10:05.27 | Mardus | liable: Thanks for congrats. |
| 10:05.50 | ftsac | :) |
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| 10:06.11 | themonkeymoo | !rtl-8139 |
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| 10:06.45 | streuner_ | themonkeymoo: /msg dpkg listvals 8139 |
| 10:06.57 | themonkeymoo | thanks |
| 10:07.11 | insidius | ahh ok i just checked the cd and i got this message: The ./pool/main/g/glibc/libc_2.3.2.ds1-22_i386.deb file failed the MD5 checksum verifaction |
| 10:07.21 | dvm1981_lptp | !tell themonkeymoo about rtl8139 |
| 10:07.30 | ftsac | my apt-get said: "dpkg was interrupter, ... run dpkg --configure -a |
| 10:07.40 | streuner_ | insidius: remove the package in cache and download it again |
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| 10:07.52 | liable | its cd |
| 10:07.57 | Mardus | ftsac: You shouldn't paste stuff that way or flood the channel. If you want to write something extensively, write in one line, not like in an instant message program. |
| 10:08.21 | ftsac | Mardus, yes I am wrong |
| 10:08.29 | dvm1981_lptp | ftsac: Do it |
| 10:08.32 | ftsac | and I will not flood channels |
| 10:08.33 | ftsac | :) |
| 10:08.36 | liable | insidius: check the iso |
| 10:08.58 | insidius | How can i check th iso liable? |
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| 10:09.02 | LsD- | dvm1981_lptp: any ideas for me? |
| 10:09.05 | dvm1981_lptp | ftsac: Do what the error say you |
| 10:09.06 | ftsac | I tried to google the problem |
| 10:09.21 | ftsac | but apt-get update doesn't works |
| 10:09.40 | streuner_ | insidius: do you have a working i-net connection right now? |
| 10:09.42 | ftsac | now I am using sarge |
| 10:09.43 | dvm1981_lptp | LsD-: Using another ID? |
| 10:09.46 | streuner_ | (with your debian box) |
| 10:10.13 | liable | insidius: dunno of the top of my head, the install guide tells you iirc |
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| 10:10.25 | insidius | Streuner yes i do have a working net connection |
| 10:10.31 | dvm1981_lptp | LsD-: 1002??? |
| 10:10.44 | Mardus | ftsac: Some channels allow flooding (I think, but I also think it's not the norm), but this particular channel has so many users. |
| 10:10.48 | streuner_ | insidius: so do what i told you |
| 10:10.49 | dvm1981_lptp | LsD-: Not clear you're problem :-/ |
| 10:10.50 | ftsac | dvm1981_lptp, I paste error on #flood |
| 10:11.09 | insidius | Ok i am downloading it again |
| 10:11.11 | dvm1981_lptp | ftsac: ok |
| 10:11.17 | prolific- | When trying to dpkg -i and apt-get install a few packages, I get errors essentially saying that there are circular dependencies. How do I resolve this? The package in question is xchat, but there are others |
| 10:12.15 | ftsac | dvm1981_lptp, I tried as suggest but come again when I re update |
| 10:12.17 | liable | insidius: no, just check the iso, not the cd |
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| 10:12.33 | liable | !ig |
| 10:12.33 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 10:12.42 | dvm1981_lptp | ftsac: #flood or pastebin |
| 10:13.55 | ftsac | dvm1981_lptp, I #flood ed |
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| 10:15.02 | dvm1981_lptp | ftsac: And you did the dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 10:15.07 | ftsac | tes |
| 10:15.08 | ftsac | yes |
| 10:15.12 | ftsac | I did it |
| 10:15.55 | dvm1981_lptp | The -a is to reconfig the installed one none? |
| 10:16.03 | streuner_ | eto3: so is X working now? |
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| 10:16.41 | eto3 | steruner_: I was just going to whine. |
| 10:16.42 | dvm1981_lptp | Someone an idea for ftsac? |
| 10:16.59 | streuner_ | eto3: gpm is installed, so what's the error? |
| 10:17.02 | eto3 | streuner_: I'm sitting here with no clue. |
| 10:17.24 | streuner_ | eto3: you shouldn't run unstable then |
| 10:17.46 | ftsac | but when I upgrade then I see the same dpkg --con... |
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| 10:18.23 | deadcat | how does firefox know which app to open a .sh file? and why is it using less (default) ? |
| 10:18.31 | eto3 | streuner_: /etc/X11/X links to /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 |
| 10:18.46 | eto3 | streuner_: but Xfree86 doesn't exist now |
| 10:19.14 | dvm1981_lptp | ftsac: Stable? |
| 10:19.15 | dyno | hi |
| 10:19.19 | dyno | does someone with ati radeon, crash with debian testing? |
| 10:19.35 | ftsac | dvm1981_lptp, yes |
| 10:19.36 | liable | why isnt there md5sums for netinst isos? |
| 10:19.37 | ftsac | sarge |
| 10:19.41 | peterS | eto3: when you installed xserver-xorg it should have asked if you wanted to make that the default |
| 10:20.01 | dvm1981_lptp | ftsac: I not know the problem :-( |
| 10:20.03 | peterS | eto3: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 10:20.04 | eto3 | peterS: I'll reinstall it. |
| 10:20.07 | ftsac | :( |
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| 10:20.48 | ftsac | now I feel hard to control my box with deb |
| 10:21.05 | liable | you have an erection? |
| 10:21.21 | dvm1981_lptp | ftsac: Try to ask again here in a little time; hope that then someone ... |
| 10:21.30 | ftsac | :| |
| 10:21.46 | ftsac | I will tried google and man again |
| 10:21.57 | dvm1981_lptp | ftsac: Yep |
| 10:22.28 | dvm1981_lptp | Im going off, good afternoon ;-) |
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| 10:22.39 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
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| 10:23.14 | DJ-Marcuzz | here we go again, i crashed apt-get under an config screen, now all the files are locked, how can i get them unlocked without an reboot? |
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| 10:24.01 | liable | kill it. ps aux |
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| 10:25.45 | eto3 | OH YEAH |
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| 10:26.10 | eto3 | peterS, streuner_: X is working |
| 10:26.14 | eto3 | you guys rule |
| 10:26.21 | peterS | coolness |
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| 10:26.52 | streuner_ | eto3: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 10:27.00 | eto3 | I've been copying my XFree86 config file around for years. |
| 10:27.18 | eto3 | I had to answer a bunch of stuff I haven't thought about in a long time. |
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| 10:27.28 | eto3 | for the x.org --reinstall |
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| 10:28.09 | DJ-Marcuzz | ps is it possible to mount umultiple gmail accounds with gmailfs? |
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| 10:28.47 | davidcsi | is it possible to mount sftp?? |
| 10:29.12 | dyno | does someone could help my with my crashes ? |
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| 10:30.03 | Cyorxamp | is there a firefox 1.5 deb!? |
| 10:30.16 | streuner_ | Cyorxamp: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 10:30.34 | dyno | i started to installa a debian stable yesterday, upgraded it to testing, with his kernel, and xorg |
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| 10:30.56 | Cyorxamp | why!? |
| 10:31.09 | dyno | and now it crashes when i do things quickly |
| 10:31.20 | dyno | x is freezing |
| 10:31.37 | dyno | and i can't do anything |
| 10:31.39 | streuner_ | Cyorxamp: you want us to help you? |
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| 10:32.13 | eto3 | streuner_: Thanks, dude. I'm not joking. |
| 10:32.26 | Cyorxamp | streuner_ - I just want to know what it does |
| 10:32.39 | streuner_ | Cyorxamp: try it and see for yourself |
| 10:32.50 | Cyorxamp | no fuck off |
| 10:33.07 | dyno | ? |
| 10:33.13 | streuner_ | (it doesn't hurd) TM |
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| 10:33.35 | darkstego | where is the .config for pre-compiled kernels? |
| 10:33.42 | wols_ | darkstego: /boot |
| 10:33.44 | liable | in /boot |
| 10:33.50 | darkstego | ok, thanks |
| 10:34.07 | liable | dyno: welcome to "testing" |
| 10:34.13 | wols_ | streuner_: lets fuck off together and let Cyorxamp figure it out himself? |
| 10:34.19 | liable | dyno: learn how to use bts |
| 10:34.27 | insidius | Heh good one wols_ |
| 10:34.29 | streuner_ | -- [Cyorxamp] #firefox #ubuntu #debian |
| 10:34.37 | dyno | liable, bts ? |
| 10:34.43 | dyno | what's this? |
| 10:34.44 | streuner_ | wols_: i have a better idea ;-) |
| 10:34.49 | wols_ | dyno: bug tracking system. bugs.debian.org |
| 10:34.52 | liable | !tell dyno about bts |
| 10:35.09 | dyno | thx :) |
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| 10:35.17 | vyrus001 | what would be the simplist way to check for a duplacate value in an sql db from php ? |
| 10:35.33 | liable | streuner_: you shouldnt judge a person by the channels they are in, i usually idle in ubuntu. |
| 10:35.35 | Cyorxamp | A Firefox 1.5 .DEB file - anyone got any ideas where such a thing exists? |
| 10:36.22 | liable | Cyorxamp: learn how to use p.d.o (or p.d.n as it now) |
| 10:36.26 | streuner_ | liable: no, i didn't, he did - just answering the question would tell us what version of debian he already using, and 1.5 firefox isn't prolly in testing... |
| 10:36.43 | Cyorxamp | 3.1 |
| 10:36.47 | Cyorxamp | you could have just asked! |
| 10:36.52 | streuner_ | i did |
| 10:36.58 | Cyorxamp | where! |
| 10:37.04 | streuner_ | Cyorxamp: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 10:37.11 | Cyorxamp | exactly thats not asking |
| 10:37.16 | liable | Cyorxamp: abusing people trying to help isnt good |
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| 10:37.30 | Cyorxamp | thats telling a novice to linux to run something he doesnt understand and see's as suspicious from someone he does not know |
| 10:37.33 | Cyorxamp | I ask you what it does |
| 10:37.35 | wols_ | that is asking. you're just too ignorant to see it.and you like to insult people for no reason |
| 10:37.36 | Cyorxamp | YOU WOULDNT TELL ME |
| 10:37.40 | Cyorxamp | So fuck off |
| 10:37.47 | eto3 | ha ha |
| 10:38.03 | darkstego | heheheh |
| 10:38.24 | darkstego | Cyorxamp: run 'man command' to find out what the commands do |
| 10:38.29 | darkstego | if you feel safe, run them |
| 10:38.31 | wols_ | Cyorxamp: did you ever hear of something called "good manner"? telling people you want help from to "fuck off" won't exactly help with your problem you know? |
| 10:38.32 | liable | Cyorxamp: thats a good way to get ignored. good luck. |
| 10:38.34 | insidius | Cyorxamp Hey no need to act like a idiot and insult people |
| 10:38.35 | Cyorxamp | Hey I have a valid point |
| 10:38.42 | liable | no |
| 10:38.49 | Cyorxamp | Why not ask - what does that do? |
| 10:38.55 | wols_ | no you don't. you're just a spoiled brat who insults people |
| 10:38.56 | Cyorxamp | Is it so hard to get an answer |
| 10:39.03 | Cyorxamp | Ah go fuck yourself |
| 10:39.08 | Cyorxamp | Your up your own ass |
| 10:39.17 | darkstego | Cyorxamp: no one is complaining about asking, they are complaining about the attitude |
| 10:39.19 | wols_ | even when someone doesn't answer immediately how you like it, it's no reason to insult them |
| 10:39.41 | liable | Cyorxamp: so leave, we arent here to tolerate the likes of you. |
| 10:39.52 | wols_ | can't be otherwise |
| 10:40.22 | LsD- | lol |
| 10:40.26 | insidius | heh |
| 10:41.10 | DJ-Marcuzz | hhmm, i cant seem to get gmailfs running, does one of you? |
| 10:41.49 | wols_ | DJ-Marcuzz: bit of vague for an error description |
| 10:42.25 | DJ-Marcuzz | ah, well the real error comes later im now installing fuse from source becaus i think that there is the problem |
| 10:43.08 | eto3 | night all |
| 10:43.26 | eto3 | thanks peterS and streuner_ |
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| 10:45.10 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok, im in vnc on the pc where i install, so in vnc i open an consol window, and do apt-get install cvs and instead of poping with the blue setup thingy it goes black and i can only close the terminal window, but trough putty it works fine :S |
| 10:45.17 | DJ-Marcuzz | how to fix that? |
| 10:46.01 | prolific- | Why is dpkg -i exim4 telling me that I must uninstall xchat?? |
| 10:46.17 | prolific- | There's no reasonable explanation given |
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| 10:48.34 | wols_ | prolific-: exim is already installed by default |
| 10:48.49 | prolific- | wols_, I know. I removed it |
| 10:48.50 | wols_ | unless you explicitly installed some other MTA |
| 10:49.15 | prolific- | But, I was only able to remove it by forcing it |
| 10:49.35 | wols_ | yes, doing that was a stupid thing(tm) :) |
| 10:49.37 | prolific- | Now, anything I try to install gives me the "do apt-get -f install to fix this trash" |
| 10:49.57 | wols_ | force install it by ignoring the xchat probs |
| 10:50.06 | wols_ | then run apt-get -f install to make sure there are no errors |
| 10:50.21 | blaamann | Is there a way to restart kernel deamons , e.g krfcommd ? |
| 10:50.32 | prolific- | wols_, Yeh, I'll try taht |
| 10:50.44 | jetscreamer | just reinstall xchat when it's over |
| 10:51.10 | jetscreamer | or maybe it's taking your entire windowsystem |
| 10:51.32 | wols_ | blaamann: no |
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| 10:51.41 | wols_ | well, you can restart the PC |
| 10:51.59 | prolific- | Ah, yeah I tried forcing the reinstallation of xchat. apt-get -f install gives me: "xchat must be removed" |
| 10:52.15 | DJ-Marcuzz | how can i connect to an cvs without having to install an complete cvs server |
| 10:52.26 | prolific- | DJ-Marcuzz, Install the client ;) |
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| 10:52.43 | DJ-Marcuzz | what is it called? |
| 10:52.59 | prolific- | cvs |
| 10:53.10 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok |
| 10:53.27 | jetscreamer | let it uninstall it first |
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| 10:53.34 | blaamann | wols_: Thanks |
| 10:53.43 | insidius | Hurrah it works this time, thats wierd |
| 10:53.51 | liable | wtf is krfcommd? |
| 10:53.53 | prolific- | jetscreamer, Done that before |
| 10:53.55 | jetscreamer | it's magic |
| 10:53.57 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 10:54.53 | wols_ | liable: something BT related. kernel daemon managing RFCOMM |
| 10:55.59 | prolific- | I think the problem lies in the fact that xchat relies on xchat-common |
| 10:56.06 | blaamann | liable: I am connecting my Nokia 6630 to my box and rfcomm is part of that |
| 10:56.13 | prolific- | Which, of course, is "uninstallable" |
| 10:56.17 | liable | oh, ok |
| 10:57.26 | liable | not really a kernel daemon... /etc/init.d/foo restart |
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| 10:57.38 | jetscreamer | did you try apt-get update lately |
| 10:58.00 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 10:58.00 | dpkg | i guess fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
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| 10:58.53 | deadcat | anyone watches "The IT Crowd" ? (= |
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| 10:59.07 | jonas21 | has anyone worked on a debian specific bash-completion package? |
| 10:59.21 | deadcat | jonas21: there is one right? |
| 10:59.50 | jonas21 | i don't think so |
| 11:00.09 | jonas21 | having smart completion on dpkg-reconfigure would be tops |
| 11:00.31 | deadcat | how smart? |
| 11:00.39 | jetscreamer | having things in your path is smart too |
| 11:00.47 | deadcat | it works for me |
| 11:00.55 | jonas21 | it does? |
| 11:00.58 | deadcat | ya |
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| 11:01.22 | deadcat | you just have to source /etc/bash_completion |
| 11:02.29 | jonas21 | hmm! |
| 11:02.37 | jonas21 | it is a little dumb though ^_^; |
| 11:02.40 | naphex_ | jonas21: more details here http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/316 |
| 11:03.03 | deadcat | hows that dumb? |
| 11:03.13 | deadcat | maybe you should write your own shell then |
| 11:03.27 | jonas21 | well, i have a verbosity level set |
| 11:03.34 | jonas21 | or whatever it is, the question level |
| 11:03.41 | jonas21 | but its completing on packages that won't ask me any questions |
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| 11:03.58 | jonas21 | i guess it can't be too complex |
| 11:04.29 | yggdrasil | can somone here help me do a nvidia on a custom kernel ?... i keep getting some wierd error when i make xconfig |
| 11:04.51 | deadcat | maybe you shouldnt compile your own kernel then |
| 11:05.00 | deadcat | !tell yggdrasil about nvidia one-liner |
| 11:05.07 | yggdrasil | haha |
| 11:05.21 | deadcat | i was serious |
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| 11:05.26 | yggdrasil | deadcat im required to so i can load some drivers |
| 11:05.29 | yggdrasil | for my dvb card |
| 11:05.31 | yggdrasil | its sad |
| 11:05.33 | yggdrasil | :( |
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| 11:07.16 | themonkeymoo | ok, so I can't get my NIC working in debian, but it works just fine if I boot from the knoppix live cd. How can I find out what knoppix is doing right that I am not? |
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| 11:07.37 | yggdrasil | dmesg ? |
| 11:07.39 | deadcat | themonkeymoo: what chipset is the card? lspci SHOULD show it |
| 11:07.59 | themonkeymoo | realtek rtl8139 |
| 11:08.12 | deadcat | load the 8193too driver |
| 11:08.20 | themonkeymoo | I did that |
| 11:08.25 | yggdrasil | kernel ? |
| 11:08.27 | deadcat | ifconfig -a ? |
| 11:08.33 | yggdrasil | ive got one of those |
| 11:08.49 | themonkeymoo | debian 3.1 sarge, kernel 2.6.8 |
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| 11:09.25 | deadcat | themonkeymoo: ifconfig -a shows it? |
| 11:09.35 | yggdrasil | sudo |
| 11:10.04 | themonkeymoo | I get the same info from ifconfig whether knoppix or debian |
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| 11:10.26 | deadcat | you didnt answer my q |
| 11:10.47 | themonkeymoo | sorry, deadcat, yes, it does show in ifconfig |
| 11:10.57 | themonkeymoo | eth0 |
| 11:11.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | howto download such an vcs repostory? |
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| 11:11.15 | deadcat | themonkeymoo: can you get an ip via dhclient or ifconfig eth0 IP and ping someone? |
| 11:11.38 | deadcat | themonkeymoo: sounds like a network problem rather than a driver/card problem |
| 11:12.00 | themonkeymoo | I have tried multiple times and it will not connect dhcp while I'm in debian |
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| 11:12.14 | themonkeymoo | the network works just fine |
| 11:12.16 | deadcat | themonkeymoo: try manually |
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| 11:12.37 | themonkeymoo | I have several machines on it and this machine works just fine in win xp or knop[pix |
| 11:12.46 | peter___ | I'm running the Debian 2.6.15 (etch default) kernel and it detects the MCP51 chipset and loads some snd modules, but which driver is for the MCP51 chipset? I have tried intel8x0, but no luck getting the audio working. Does 2.6.15 support the MCP51 at all? |
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| 11:13.39 | themonkeymoo | deadcat; just a sec, let me switch back over to debian (it's in knoppix right now) |
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| 11:17.18 | SteveFox | hi ppl, i'm looking for Wookey the emdebian project leader |
| 11:17.26 | Wille88 | why I have so ugly fonts in gtk1-apps? |
| 11:17.37 | themonkeymoo | whenever I try to bring up the eth0, I get multiple DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67, but eventually, I get a no DHCPOFFERS received message |
| 11:17.38 | SteveFox | anybody knows him? |
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| 11:17.51 | Zugschlus | themonkeymoo: looks like there is no DHCP server |
| 11:17.57 | themonkeymoo | but there is |
| 11:18.05 | pureone | think his out with the jedi |
| 11:18.09 | themonkeymoo | all of my other machines are running on dhcp |
| 11:18.31 | SteveFox | pureone, are you talking to me? :) |
| 11:18.36 | DJ-Marcuzz | ow man, i need those fuse python stuff, but i cant fihure ot how cvs works |
| 11:18.59 | pureone | anyone else looking for star war characters :P ? |
| 11:19.10 | SteveFox | damn ;-) |
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| 11:19.46 | SteveFox | is anybody using emdebian? |
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| 11:21.23 | rss | hi! I have a audio card called Conexant AC '97, which is the driver for that? |
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| 11:22.29 | mykhi | is there any way to reset/flash graphic card ram meory without reboot? (nvidia 5900fx on agp) |
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| 11:24.29 | alumne | hello |
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| 11:25.10 | themonkeymoo | deadcat; I tried ifconfig etho 192.168.0.155 and I get network is unreachable when I try a ping |
| 11:25.59 | themonkeymoo | then I got constant alternating eth0: link up and eth0: transmit timed out messages |
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| 11:27.45 | themonkeymoo | I had to ifdown just to get them to stop[ |
| 11:29.21 | themonkeymoo | ifdown -a |
| 11:30.08 | alumne | I have KDM as a display manager. I also have icewm. I have installed idesk (a program to show icons). I have editted my $HOME/.xsession writing in a single line the word "idesk" to run the program when I log in the server, and like usually on my configurations, it doesnt work. The idesk program is not started when I log into the system through KDM. Could anybody tell me what I am doing wrong? Thanks.ç |
| 11:30.12 | vin` | rss: that isn't your audio card. |
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| 11:31.40 | stoned | is there a console command i can run that will switch to the next xserver (effectively somehow simulating the alt+ctrl+fx) |
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| 11:36.48 | vins | hi, after a dist-upgrade on my sid, the system tell me that my operations are not permitted (apt-get, changing .conf files, etc), even if I'm root. Any hints? |
| 11:36.56 | fas3r | hi all |
| 11:37.04 | RichiH | vins: paste it |
| 11:37.06 | RichiH | !paster |
| 11:37.06 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 11:38.04 | vins | RichiH, unfortunley now I'm on win2k here.... on the other machine x.rog is blocked too :( |
| 11:38.09 | j_m_k__ | hi folks. How do you connect to different wifi-networks with fluxbox? I have ThinkpadR51 and ifplugd checking if primary interface eth0 is present. How about finding wifi-networks? Dont't like ifup eth1 as root anymore... |
| 11:38.15 | RichiH | vins: oh |
| 11:38.39 | RichiH | vins: well, without the correct error message, we can't tell you much, i fear :/ |
| 11:38.59 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok my gmail fs problem: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1930 could someone have a look at it? |
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| 11:39.07 | j_m_k__ | Gnome have netapplet, KDE have some tools too. |
| 11:39.19 | vins | for example, if I write apt-get update sid said "Enable toopen lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (1 Operation not permitted) |
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| 11:39.52 | vins | and also when machine loads system I read a lot of "Operation not permitted" msgs |
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| 11:40.30 | vin` | drive probably not mounted rw |
| 11:40.47 | wols | DJ-Marcuzz: fusemodule.so is borked. lacks a symbol. try to remake it and look that it has a symbol named fuse_mount_compat22 |
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| 11:41.03 | vins | vin which drive? |
| 11:41.32 | stoned | I want to run amarok/etc. or other apps which use sound, that are running on laptop, so send thier sound over to the arts server running on desktop. so that i don't have to keep switching wires. like all the laptop sound gets to desktop ove the network and comes out of my desktop speakers |
| 11:41.54 | stoned | I cant figure out how to do it |
| 11:42.03 | stoned | I use kde/arts and its set to network sound |
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| 11:42.39 | alumne | Telling it in other words: How can I do to execute an aplication (such as a xterm shell) when I start a session (when the desktop and window manager have been loaded) ? |
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| 11:43.00 | fas3r | anybody use maildir and postfix,etc ?? |
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| 11:43.54 | DJ-Marcuzz | wols, how can i remake such a module? |
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| 11:45.30 | insidius | In just plaing old console how can i go up to view text, i have no gui |
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| 11:46.04 | vin` | try shift+pg up |
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| 11:47.05 | vin` | vins: any errors in dmesg? |
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| 11:48.11 | vin` | insidius: or run screen ctrl-a ESC |
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| 11:48.30 | {Va-DoS} | hy |
| 11:48.33 | {Va-DoS} | :) |
| 11:48.57 | {Va-DoS} | ðóññêèé êòî òî åñòü :) |
| 11:49.13 | insidius | Ok thanks all that answered |
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| 11:49.31 | Zitter | vin`, i'm a semi-newbie but it seems there aren't errors in dmesg |
| 11:49.51 | Prudhvi | vin`, hello :) |
| 11:50.24 | vin` | Prudhvi: hi |
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| 11:50.31 | {Va-DoS} | hy |
| 11:50.35 | Zitter | vin`, but maybe it's as you said before.. .system is not able to remount driver in rw mode |
| 11:50.40 | Prudhvi | vin`, how are you doing today :-;) |
| 11:50.57 | vin` | Prudhvi: doing good, thanks. |
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| 11:51.09 | Prudhvi | vin`, my Kernel and initrd image doing just good ;) |
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| 11:51.21 | vin` | Prudhvi: make-kpkg? |
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| 11:52.03 | Prudhvi | vin`, no, i have manually compiled it using make and made initrd image using mkinitrd -o 2.6.15 2.6.15 |
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| 11:52.12 | vin` | Zitter: your drive not driver. hda? |
| 11:52.26 | Zitter | yep |
| 11:52.32 | serg | what installed vpn conections from knoppix???? help please..... |
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| 11:53.14 | vin` | Prudhvi: next time try make-kpkg, adding --initrd will automatically build one for you, but optimally get rid of the initrd if you don't need it. |
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| 11:54.11 | Zitter | vin`, can I force to remount hda3 in rw mode? |
| 11:54.11 | serg | fucking yankee!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:54.13 | Prudhvi | vin`, yep |
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| 11:54.31 | vin` | Zitter: well is it mounted read only now? |
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| 11:54.44 | Cyor | Hi I get a 'Error Activating XKB Configuration' error... I dunno how to fix it anyone know?! |
| 11:54.49 | wols | serg: this is not #knoppix. and we don't like your insults either |
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| 11:55.02 | Zitter | vin`, "operation not permitted" msgs let me think in this way |
| 11:55.22 | serg | senks wols |
| 11:55.28 | Cyor | also how can i get libc6 to me higher version or equal to 2.3.5-1 as I need it that way |
| 11:55.34 | Cyor | !!? |
| 11:55.34 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
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| 11:56.19 | alumne | que cony diu dpkg ? |
| 11:56.19 | alumne | xD |
| 11:56.26 | blondie | serg: bend over |
| 11:56.42 | vin` | ooh dildo? |
| 11:56.44 | fas3r | i have a problem with postif all mail arrive in maildir but when i use thunderbird for it take all them .. mail aren't rappatriate .. anybody have idea ? |
| 11:57.01 | blondie | vin`: maybe |
| 11:57.05 | Cyor | Hi I get a 'Error Activating XKB Configuration' error... I dunno how to fix it anyone know?! |
| 11:57.07 | Cyor | also how can i get libc6 to me higher version or equal to 2.3.5-1 as I need it that way |
| 11:57.21 | wols | fas3r: think, then type. we can't understand your problem at all |
| 11:57.58 | vin` | Zitter: what does mount -l say? |
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| 11:58.30 | Zitter | it says that is in (rw) mode |
| 11:58.35 | Zitter | :-( |
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| 11:58.47 | fas3r | wols, i use postif fetchmail and procmail for rapatriate my provider mail |
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| 11:59.12 | fas3r | all mail are stock in /home/user/Maildir/New |
| 11:59.18 | wols | Cyor: what version do you need? and what version of debian are you running (stable, testing, unstable?) |
| 11:59.30 | Cyor | 2.3.5-1 |
| 11:59.30 | wols | "rapatriate" is not a word |
| 11:59.31 | Cyor | 3.1 stable |
| 11:59.38 | fas3r | take ? |
| 11:59.50 | {Va-DoS} | Help what mount NTFS in -read-write mode - kernel 2.6.15 |
| 12:00.03 | Cyor | wols ----- frostwire depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1); however: Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-22. |
| 12:00.18 | Cyor | #frostwire think this is a #debian issu |
| 12:00.25 | wols | va-dos: can't do it unless you use captive-ntfs. and that does't work too well either, but at least it doesn't destroy data... |
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| 12:00.43 | wols | Cyor: that means it's for unstable aka sid or maybe testing |
| 12:01.00 | Cyor | what? frostwire? |
| 12:01.03 | vin` | Zitter: why are you sad, it's good it's rw so that is out of the equation. :) |
| 12:01.06 | wols | not really. tell them to build packages for debian stable |
| 12:01.12 | wols | yes, that frostwire package |
| 12:01.24 | {Va-DoS} | Help!!!! what mount NTFS in -read-write mode - kernel 2.6.15 |
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| 12:01.35 | wols | fas3r: I don't think thunderbird can access maildir directly. use a imap server like courier-imap |
| 12:01.38 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 12:01.43 | Zitter | vin`, i'm sad 'cause my system doesn't work also it seems always is good |
| 12:01.47 | wols | {Va-DoS}: you can't. read what I already said |
| 12:01.47 | scytheman | {Va-DoS}, captive ntfs |
| 12:01.51 | hatake_kakashi | {Va-DoS}: none, except if you use captive |
| 12:01.55 | Fox_1_ | which ftp server is better for debian3.1?? |
| 12:02.04 | scytheman | someone who uses mrxvt? after creating ~/.mrxvtrc (may even be empty), manpages are strangely formatted, e.g. instead of the yellow color the text is underlined |
| 12:02.06 | fas3r | wols, i need imap server when i use maildir ? |
| 12:02.06 | wols | !best |
| 12:02.07 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 12:02.10 | Cyor | ok what about.................. |
| 12:02.12 | Cyor | Hi I get a 'Error Activating XKB Configuration' error... I dunno how to fix it anyone know?! |
| 12:02.15 | Fox_1_ | better and easy to configure:) |
| 12:02.26 | vin` | Zitter: are you running udev? |
| 12:02.31 | wols | fas3r: you need an imap server if you want to use thunderbird to access local mail |
| 12:02.32 | Zitter | vin`, yes |
| 12:02.48 | fas3r | wols, oki thank |
| 12:03.02 | fas3r | wols, it's the same for outlook,etc? |
| 12:03.04 | wols | Fox_1_: better is still a "best" of sorts... use vsftpd, it's fairly small and easy |
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| 12:03.14 | wols | fas3r: outlook doesn't run on linux |
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| 12:03.27 | fas3r | wols, yes i know ... ^^ |
| 12:03.31 | wols | fas3r: e.g. mutt could use maildir directly, nad probably some others too |
| 12:03.42 | Fox_1_ | ok thanks |
| 12:04.04 | fas3r | wols, if you prefer i take mail on my provider pop mail and they are stock in locale .. |
| 12:04.14 | fas3r | if you prefer i have make a pop and smtp mail |
| 12:04.19 | fas3r | for local network |
| 12:04.32 | wols | then I strongly suggest an imap server. pop is shit if you want to store your mail locally |
| 12:04.36 | fas3r | user connect on my local server for send mail and receve it |
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| 12:05.01 | _joey | could someone please paste a line for /home created on debian in /etc/fstab by default |
| 12:05.36 | fas3r | wols, i stock mail my locally .. (i use dyndns for redirection ) |
| 12:05.41 | Cyor | wols - so the libc6 it wants is in testing debian!? |
| 12:05.54 | wols | Cyor: probably. check for yourself |
| 12:05.56 | yggdrasil_ | yes i fixed my video card and got it going thru the svideo out !!! |
| 12:06.03 | Cyor | how!? |
| 12:06.17 | yggdrasil_ | i dld the driver from nvidia |
| 12:06.20 | wols | fas3r: and I told you to install courier-imap (and possibly courier-pop3, but pop3 should die a fast but painful death) |
| 12:06.30 | yggdrasil_ | some sort of wierd script and the n i had to extract it and patch it |
| 12:06.34 | yggdrasil_ | and then run it |
| 12:06.44 | fas3r | wols, ok thank |
| 12:06.57 | Cyor | how can I check what EXACT debian I am using |
| 12:07.08 | wols | Cyor: ask streuner :P |
| 12:07.16 | Phated | Cyor: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:07.20 | alkalineX | regarding frostwire: gimme a few secs and i will release an RPM version and you can use alien to convert it to a DEB |
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| 12:07.24 | Cyor | yeah that just sez 3.1 |
| 12:07.36 | Phated | Yeh, so you're on ... erh, 3.1 is sarge, yeah? |
| 12:07.37 | resiak | Cyor: and check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:07.43 | resiak | !tell Phated -about 3.1 |
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| 12:07.46 | Phated | \o/ |
| 12:07.47 | wols | Cyor: you are using sarge libc6 so my guess is sarge |
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| 12:07.51 | Cyor | is 3.1 stable or not? |
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| 12:07.55 | Phated | Wewt, tis sarge! \o/\o/\o/ |
| 12:08.05 | Cyor | Sarge = Stable no? |
| 12:08.11 | Zitter | vin`, is there a know problem with last udev? |
| 12:08.12 | wols | yes |
| 12:08.20 | Cyor | So it is the deb file at fault not me |
| 12:08.29 | vin` | Zitter: no bugs filed, not sure. |
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| 12:08.40 | wols | no it's not the deb file that's at fault. it's just a deb made for etch or sid |
| 12:08.46 | Cyor | which are in testing |
| 12:08.52 | Henry_Bean | PeterS, r u around there? |
| 12:08.55 | Cyor | so theoretically this wouldnt work for ubuntu neither |
| 12:09.07 | wols | it does work for ubuntu since ubuntu is based on sid |
| 12:09.18 | Cyor | which is in testing!? |
| 12:09.29 | wols | Cyor: learn the debian names please |
| 12:09.35 | Cyor | !!! |
| 12:09.35 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 12:09.44 | Cyor | are there different variations of debian now!? |
| 12:09.45 | wols | stable != testing != unstable |
| 12:09.51 | wols | there always where |
| 12:09.54 | yggdrasil_ | when i log in it says i have mail how do i check it ? |
| 12:09.57 | Cyor | I just downloaded debian! |
| 12:10.00 | Cyor | thats it! |
| 12:10.08 | wols | and always must be, or how do you think new versions are developed? "POOOF* and there is a new debian release? |
| 12:10.11 | vin` | yggdrasil_: mail? |
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| 12:10.20 | Cyor | versions yes - editions no? |
| 12:10.27 | resiak | "editions"? |
| 12:10.34 | Henry_Bean | hello, anybody has the log of this chat from 9 hours ago at this time?? please, i really need it |
| 12:10.42 | wols | a "version" is an "edition" duh |
| 12:10.47 | Cyor | yeah --- i.e. versions are what is to replace the old... editions to do something different along side |
| 12:10.53 | vin` | Henry_Bean: which part of it? |
| 12:11.10 | Henry_Bean | vin, the part where eto3 fix his X problem |
| 12:11.25 | blondie | mr bean! |
| 12:11.26 | resiak | Cyor: Right. Surely you understand that the next version has to be developed? |
| 12:11.27 | blondie | ahem |
| 12:11.34 | Henry_Bean | vin, the solution, i have the same problem but i get sleep :S |
| 12:11.35 | wols | in time, testing will replace stable (sarge vs. etch) |
| 12:11.37 | resiak | Cyor: So there must be at least two versions in parallel all the time. |
| 12:11.50 | Cyor | yeah I get that but what I don't get is why therefore is SID is one of the code names for a later (untested) version - why would ubuntu be based on it!?!? |
| 12:11.57 | Zitter | food |
| 12:11.58 | wols | Henry_Bean: what do you nead? |
| 12:12.00 | wols | *need |
| 12:12.04 | resiak | Go ask the Ubuntu folks, Cyor. This is not #ubuntu |
| 12:12.08 | wols | and what time _exactly_ |
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| 12:12.36 | vin` | Henry_Bean: 13:21:08 peterS | eto3: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
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| 12:13.26 | resiak | Henry_Bean: see incoming /msg |
| 12:13.42 | SimonRaven | DUCK! INCOMING! |
| 12:13.50 | resiak | Henry_Bean: It's UK time, if that helps you get your bearings. |
| 12:13.50 | wols | :) |
| 12:14.03 | alkalineX | Cyor: I just released an RPM version, you can use alien to convert it to DEB |
| 12:14.05 | alkalineX | here: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/frostwire/FrostWire-4.10.9-0.i586.rpm?download |
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| 12:15.25 | SimonRaven | oh BTW, it's not fucking SID, eh, it's Sid, if any caps are involved ... |
| 12:15.51 | SimonRaven | call mr. anal |
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| 12:16.36 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 12:17.48 | blondie | hello abrotman |
| 12:17.50 | alkalineX | If anyone wants to create a good DEB package for frostwire, you can send it to me at alkalinex@gmail.com |
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| 12:18.00 | alkalineX | otherwise, it will have to wait |
| 12:18.07 | blondie | alkalineX: can I send you spam there too? |
| 12:18.10 | blondie | :) |
| 12:18.27 | abrotman | blondie: hi |
| 12:18.33 | alkalineX | blondie: sure, thunderbird will probably pick it up :) |
| 12:18.37 | abrotman | blondie: don't you ever sleep? |
| 12:18.48 | blondie | not usually in the afternoon |
| 12:18.53 | blondie | I never leave irc though |
| 12:18.56 | chelu | Hi |
| 12:19.00 | abrotman | alkalineX: did you file an RFP? |
| 12:19.35 | chelu | i've just installed and configured java, but when i try to launch an app, it sends this error |
| 12:19.37 | chelu | java.awt.HeadlessException: |
| 12:19.37 | chelu | No X11 DISPLAY variable was set, but this program performed an operation which requires it. |
| 12:20.07 | chelu | what can i do? |
| 12:20.16 | abrotman | ask #java ? |
| 12:20.25 | chelu | ok, thx |
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| 12:20.36 | alkalineX | abrotman: i didnt create the package.. our linux supporter did |
| 12:21.03 | abrotman | !rfp |
| 12:21.03 | dpkg | i guess rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
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| 12:23.40 | abrotman | !moo |
| 12:23.40 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 12:24.05 | klogg | I have loaded all necesseary ALSA drivers for my soundcard and /proc/asound/devices reveals that it has captures, playbacks, ctl and timer. But, when I try to use alsamixer it says "alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument", why is that? |
| 12:24.14 | blondie | what do donkeys farting have to do with cows? |
| 12:24.23 | rocka | ls |
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| 12:27.22 | abrotman | !moo |
| 12:27.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 12:27.34 | blondie | :| |
| 12:27.58 | vin` | !abrotman |
| 12:27.58 | dpkg | it has been said that abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
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| 12:28.13 | abrotman | i have no moo |
| 12:28.17 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 12:28.17 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 12:28.34 | vin` | the "useless factoids" part is what I meant. ;) |
| 12:29.27 | jpinto | Hi, how can i do this: my %h = { field=>sub { "my function with stuff"; }}; i need to have $h{field} getting that anonymous function value :-/ |
| 12:29.54 | abrotman | vin`: you're just jealous because i know all the useless factoids :) |
| 12:30.16 | wols | vin`: cows are never useless! |
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| 12:31.01 | abrotman | only at chck-fil-a |
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| 12:31.32 | vin` | one flu over the chck's nest. |
| 12:32.02 | Tenkawa | Anyone know if any of the testing images can read and install directly to a nforce 430 sata board? |
| 12:32.12 | Phated | *groan* |
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| 12:33.18 | vin` | lady dy, long time. |
| 12:33.20 | abrotman | Tenkawa: which ones have you tried? |
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| 12:34.40 | Phated | Egads, someone knoweth me! |
| 12:35.35 | abrotman | !sing g4lt |
| 12:35.35 | dpkg | sometimes he p4rks in h4ndic4pped sp4ces, while h4ndic4pped people m4ke h4ndic4pped f4ces, g4lt's 4n 4ssshoooole... |
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| 12:35.52 | vin` | resiak: up in smoke wore out on me. |
| 12:36.04 | resiak | I see |
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| 12:36.15 | vin` | !smitesmite resiak |
| 12:36.47 | Tenkawa | abrotman: just tried sarge 3.1a with no luck |
| 12:36.58 | Tenkawa | nforce 430 seems to be a bugger of a card |
| 12:37.00 | vin` | Tenkawa: 2.6 didn't work either? |
| 12:37.03 | Tenkawa | nope |
| 12:37.17 | Daemon666 | hi, ive got GRUB as my boot loader and want to change it to Lilo, can this be done just just "apt-get install lilo"? |
| 12:37.20 | Tenkawa | finds ide devices but not the sata or ethernet |
| 12:37.21 | vin` | Tenkawa: the testing iso's should have 2.6.15, try that. |
| 12:37.39 | vin` | or a daily build. |
| 12:37.43 | Tenkawa | can a full base install be done with just cd 1 or 1 +2? |
| 12:38.05 | vin` | Tenkawa: get the biz card daily, ~40MB, get the rest off the net. |
| 12:38.34 | Tenkawa | Does that one have more net drivers than he 100 mmeg image> |
| 12:38.39 | resiak | Daemon666: Why do you want lilo? |
| 12:38.45 | Tenkawa | because I was working off the 100 meg or so image |
| 12:39.03 | vin` | Tenkawa: the 110MB one has base on it, the 40MB downloads the base as well |
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| 12:39.07 | ne0futur | hi all |
| 12:39.11 | WildTuRkey | Tenkawa: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm#writebacks |
| 12:39.21 | ne0futur | i'm searching for a .deb which gives dos2unix |
| 12:39.29 | ne0futur | ( file translate tool ) |
| 12:39.40 | resiak | !tell ne0futur -about search |
| 12:39.46 | abrotman | !tell ne0futur about search |
| 12:39.47 | ne0futur | thanks |
| 12:40.09 | Tenkawa | WildTuRkey: what am I searching for in that page? |
| 12:40.18 | abrotman | Tenkawa: perhaps find out which kernel does support your motherboard |
| 12:40.30 | Daemon666 | resiak - someone said it's better lol |
| 12:40.39 | abrotman | Tenkawa: are you planning on using etch anyways? |
| 12:40.40 | WildTuRkey | that's the kernel 2.6.15 with sata support |
| 12:40.40 | homekneet | I'm looking at the tools on http://www.padl.com/OSS/MigrationTools.html to migrate at least users etc to ldap. If you stick groups in ldap (with a proper configured nsswitch) - do new groups (from e.g. dpkg/aptitude) get created in ldap or just in /etc/group ? |
| 12:40.46 | Daemon666 | resiak - and to check it out cos ive never used it |
| 12:40.50 | WildTuRkey | with the 130mb basr |
| 12:40.50 | abrotman | WildTuRkey: 2.6.8 has sata support |
| 12:40.51 | vin` | oh, the latest daily biz card is only 29MB. |
| 12:40.52 | Tenkawa | abrotman: 2.6.8 does but not debian's 2.6.8 |
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| 12:41.08 | abrotman | Tenkawa: is it binary drivers? |
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| 12:41.20 | vin` | 27.9MB to be exact. |
| 12:41.22 | abrotman | Tenkawa: are you going to use etch anyways? |
| 12:41.40 | abrotman | Tenkawa: or would you rather use sarge? |
| 12:41.44 | ne0futur | thanks i found it after an apt-file update |
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| 12:42.23 | Tenkawa | abrotman: I'l going to unstable.. just trying to find an image I can acually install from |
| 12:42.33 | abrotman | Tenkawa: try a daily d-i |
| 12:42.39 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 12:42.39 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:42.41 | Tenkawa | instead of installing to an ide drive and copying over |
| 12:42.57 | Tenkawa | yeah I'm already getting the netinst for testing now |
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| 12:43.06 | abrotman | Tenkawa: beta1 or the daily? |
| 12:43.10 | Tenkawa | one nghts complained about the kernel missing something |
| 12:43.13 | Tenkawa | daily |
| 12:43.18 | Tenkawa | beta is too old |
| 12:43.24 | vin` | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 12:43.25 | abrotman | ok .. don't forget to check the daily "this is broken" page |
| 12:43.40 | Tenkawa | nod |
| 12:43.42 | abrotman | Tenkawa: beta1 is also apparently broken |
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| 12:44.01 | Tenkawa | this is an awesome board/cpu but its a pain in the arse to install from |
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| 12:44.18 | abrotman | let's all watch Next Of Kin |
| 12:44.28 | Shai-tan | debian base system sucks |
| 12:44.35 | abrotman | does it now? |
| 12:44.42 | Shai-tan | yup |
| 12:44.42 | abrotman | what leads you do that conclusion? |
| 12:44.51 | abrotman | Shai-tan: and what do you recommend we use? |
| 12:45.05 | Tenkawa | ahh crap |
| 12:45.06 | Tenkawa | [25 Feb 06] Daily builds switched to etch_d-i bu are missing kernel modules (i386 at least) |
| 12:45.11 | Tenkawa | I'm screwed |
| 12:45.15 | Shai-tan | i prefer a more updated base |
| 12:45.22 | vin` | Tenkawa: read that, who's bu? heh |
| 12:45.30 | abrotman | Shai-tan: then don't freaking use it .. quit whinig .. move on with your life |
| 12:45.36 | Tenkawa | dunno.. got that off thw page |
| 12:45.49 | Shai-tan | dcc is better but some of their veiws are a little off |
| 12:46.04 | Tenkawa | heh all of this just to get vmware server goingf |
| 12:46.07 | Tenkawa | I am sad |
| 12:46.13 | vin` | Tenkawa: try it either way, the only two times I've installed, used the daily and it always worked better. |
| 12:46.15 | Shai-tan | im waiting for etch man dont worry |
| 12:46.17 | abrotman | use an older build ? |
| 12:46.29 | Tenkawa | heh how to gert to them? |
| 12:46.44 | Shai-tan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.46 | abrotman | Shai-tan: if yo're done trolling .. you can go now .. thanks :) |
| 12:46.51 | vin` | Tenkawa: get to what? |
| 12:47.00 | Tenkawa | the older nightly builds |
| 12:47.01 | Shai-tan | just not native debian |
| 12:47.04 | abrotman | Tenkawa: the last few days should be there |
| 12:47.05 | Tenkawa | they seem to just overwrite |
| 12:47.10 | Tenkawa | abrotman: no.. only 1 |
| 12:47.17 | Tenkawa | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:47.38 | Tenkawa | can amd64 build run 32 nit stuff like vmware? |
| 12:47.38 | wols | abrotman: he has a point. there should be an easy way to replace the kernel on installers to support newer hardware like sata chips or network card. basically 100% sarge insstaller but different kernel |
| 12:47.42 | Tenkawa | if so I could just use it |
| 12:47.48 | wols | maybe part of the volatile thing |
| 12:47.58 | Tenkawa | er s/nit/bit |
| 12:48.03 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/ |
| 12:48.10 | abrotman | wols: no |
| 12:48.11 | Tenkawa | ok |
| 12:48.15 | vin` | wols: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 12:48.18 | Tenkawa | yeah just found the last 3 days |
| 12:48.24 | abrotman | !tell wols about custom netinst |
| 12:48.39 | abrotman | wols: if you think that .. you don't understand debian/stable |
| 12:48.54 | Tenkawa | problem is they are probably broke too |
| 12:49.02 | abrotman | use a CDRW! |
| 12:49.12 | wols | stable is fine and good, just no use when someone wants to install it on their cool new sata capable righ :) |
| 12:49.22 | wols | this is not so much of a problem anymore, but it was under woody for example |
| 12:49.27 | abrotman | SATA works in sarge FFS |
| 12:49.34 | abrotman | i use it every damn day |
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| 12:49.37 | Tenkawa | abrotman: not _ALL_ sata |
| 12:49.48 | abrotman | of course not .. not ALL sata was out when sarge was released |
| 12:49.48 | wols | read both lines I wrote not only the first |
| 12:49.49 | Tenkawa | nforce 430 is a very recent chipset |
| 12:49.55 | Shai-tan | lmao |
| 12:50.03 | Tenkawa | Hell. I'm on that machine now |
| 12:50.18 | Tenkawa | the prob is I had to go a long out of the way route to get here |
| 12:50.30 | Tenkawa | and I'm out of ide drives to install to |
| 12:50.31 | Shai-tan | 2.6.15 will be in dccri 3.1 |
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| 12:50.35 | abrotman | you can use the custom netinst stuff to make a sarge installerw with a newer kernel .. the sarge 2.6.15 stuff uses yaird .. but you can use it |
| 12:50.44 | Shai-tan | and xorg 7.0 I believe |
| 12:50.45 | abrotman | Shai-tan: we don't give a shit .. go away |
| 12:50.54 | Shai-tan | lolz |
| 12:50.54 | Tenkawa | abrotman: got a link to the netinst builder page? |
| 12:51.03 | abrotman | Shai-tan: it will not be debian .and it's off topic here .. |
| 12:51.13 | abrotman | !tell Tenkawa about custom netinst |
| 12:51.18 | abrotman | !tell Tenkawa about sarge 2.6.12 |
| 12:51.19 | abrotman | !tell Tenkawa about sarge 2.6.14 |
| 12:51.20 | abrotman | !tell Tenkawa about sarge 2.6.15 |
| 12:51.21 | Tenkawa | thanks |
| 12:51.35 | Henry_Bean | people... problem :S... startx: command not foud :o |
| 12:51.36 | Shai-tan | this is why Id never be a debian maintainer.... to much negativity...... Ill go right after i try that /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
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| 12:51.47 | abrotman | Shai-tan: then go away .. please .. |
| 12:51.48 | Henry_Bean | i'm running sid |
| 12:52.04 | Tenkawa | abrotman: ooh. that looks like it might have what I need |
| 12:52.04 | abrotman | Henry_Bean: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 12:52.10 | Tenkawa | the sarge 2.6.15 one |
| 12:52.17 | Tenkawa | dloading it now |
| 12:52.18 | Shai-tan | dcc-x11 which is xorg |
| 12:52.23 | abrotman | Tenkawa: it uses yaird afaik ... normal sarge has no yaird |
| 12:52.28 | vin` | Henry_Bean: installed xbase-clients? |
| 12:52.32 | abrotman | !ops Shai-tan OT and trolling |
| 12:52.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Shai-tan OT and trolling |
| 12:52.36 | Tenkawa | hopefully I can find at least one nic that is readable |
| 12:52.37 | Tenkawa | heheheheh |
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| 12:52.44 | Henry_Bean | abrotman, i remove, install and reinstall all common packages for the right function of an X server... |
| 12:52.47 | Tenkawa | got a bunch of oddball nics around here |
| 12:52.51 | abrotman | Henry_Bean: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 12:53.02 | wols | abrotman: sorry to say it but the only negative trolling one here is you right now if anyone |
| 12:53.03 | abrotman | oh ffs .. |
| 12:53.10 | abrotman | wols: DCC is OT .. |
| 12:53.17 | abrotman | wols: just like ubuntu |
| 12:53.26 | vin` | Henry_Bean: dpkg -l xbase-clients |
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| 12:53.45 | Shai-tan | lmao |
| 12:53.51 | abrotman | not you fucktard |
| 12:53.57 | Henry_Bean | vin, yes, is installed |
| 12:54.02 | im_a_muslim | As Salaam e laikum :) (means: Peace b upon u) ............. http://www.submission.org/ .............. [112:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful [112:1] Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD. [112:2] "The Absolute GOD. [112:3] "Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. [112:4] "None equals Him." |
| 12:54.05 | abrotman | !find startx sid |
| 12:54.15 | abrotman | !ops im_a_muslim spamming the channel with religious crap |
| 12:54.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: im_a_muslim spamming the channel with religious crap |
| 12:54.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'startx' (4): (/usr/bin/startxfce4) in x11/xfce4-utils ;; (/usr/X11R6/bin/startx) in x11/xbase-clients ;; (/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/startx) in misc/ltsp-client ;; (/usr/share/selinux/policy/default/domains/misc/startx.te) in admin/selinux-policy-default. |
| 12:54.20 | Henry_Bean | abrotman, x-window-system-core is installed too |
| 12:54.25 | Shai-tan | I dont see how talking about Debian as an outdated base is offtopic |
| 12:54.40 | abrotman | Shai-tan: you're talking about DCC .. that is not debian |
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| 12:54.47 | Shai-tan | ok I wont from now on |
| 12:54.52 | Henry_Bean | yes, is the same output i get with apt-file search startx |
| 12:54.56 | abrotman | Henry_Bean: updatedb && locate startx |
| 12:55.07 | Shai-tan | What kernel is etch comming out with? |
| 12:55.14 | abrotman | dunno yet it's not released |
| 12:55.20 | Tenkawa | afk.. abrotman and others thanks for the help |
| 12:55.24 | Tenkawa | wish me luck |
| 12:55.26 | wols | Shai-tan: I doubt ti will be decided for a looong time |
| 12:55.31 | Tenkawa | I'll be back in 15 or so |
| 12:55.33 | Henry_Bean | abrotman... thanks, running... |
| 12:55.37 | resiak | Many a flamewar will be had |
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| 12:55.52 | Shai-tan | cool will it be gcc 4.0 compiled cause that will be a clue to what version.... |
| 12:56.06 | resiak | !htfswk |
| 12:56.06 | wols | resiak: and the result will invariably please no one and be called "outdated" before the isos even hit the presses |
| 12:56.06 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 12:56.08 | abrotman | holy crap |
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| 12:56.33 | abrotman | if you're all so unhappy with debian .. stop using it .. go use something else |
| 12:56.40 | vin` | Linux version 2.6.16-rc4-22.2 (root@air) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060212 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-9)) #1 PREEMPT Wed Feb 22 18:49:06 AST 2006 |
| 12:56.44 | resiak | wols: even though it will work just fine. |
| 12:56.44 | Shai-tan | Hey Im not unhappy with it |
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| 12:56.48 | Zitter | !udev |
| 12:56.48 | dpkg | well, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 12:57.20 | Daemon666 | can someone tell me how to change from GRUB to Lilo please? can I do it through apt? |
| 12:57.20 | wols | resiak: for the first 6 months or perhaps a year. then the non-support of new chipsets will creep in again :( |
| 12:57.46 | abrotman | !wine wols |
| 12:57.50 | wols | Daemon666: install lilo, then configure your lilo.conf and run /sbin/lilo |
| 12:58.02 | im_a_muslim | As Salaam e laikum :) (means: Peace b upon u) ............. http://www.submission.org/ .............. [112:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful [112:1] Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD. [112:2] "The Absolute GOD. [112:3] "Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. [112:4] "None equals Him." |
| 12:58.06 | abrotman | Daemon666: install lilo .. then remove grub .. but make sure you configure lilo .. it's a pain sometimes |
| 12:58.31 | vin` | wols: then you use testing or an official etch d-i, either way I agree with you, there should be better options at handling kernels. |
| 12:58.31 | Daemon666 | will apt not configure it for me? |
| 12:58.33 | abrotman | !afo |
| 12:58.33 | dpkg | asg for ops! |
| 12:58.45 | Shai-tan | yeah Ive tested etch |
| 12:58.47 | Shai-tan | not bad |
| 12:58.47 | vin` | Daemon666: what's wrong with grub? |
| 12:58.48 | resiak | im_a_muslim: That's offtopic. Please don't spam the channel. |
| 12:58.57 | abrotman | im_a_muslim: i hope jesus fucks your mother |
| 12:58.59 | Shai-tan | before it went even more unstable anyway |
| 12:59.05 | Daemon666 | vin' nothing but i want to try out lilo as well cos ive never used it |
| 12:59.11 | wols | resiak: bots don't have ears. and malicious trolls like hnot even when they are human |
| 12:59.21 | resiak | wols: Hey, I can hope. |
| 12:59.23 | wols | Daemon666: don't. not worth the hassle |
| 12:59.23 | vin` | !grand |
| 12:59.23 | dpkg | It's not called the GRAND Unified Bootloader for nothing. |
| 12:59.30 | Shai-tan | Ill be changing my servers to etch based when it comes out |
| 12:59.32 | Henry_Bean | abrotman, i found it at /usr/X11R6/bin/startx when i run it tells... exec: /usr/bin/X11/X: cannot execute: No such file or directory |
| 12:59.41 | resiak | !install x |
| 12:59.41 | dpkg | install xf4 is, like, apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 12:59.42 | resiak | ^^^ |
| 12:59.45 | wols | resiak: if you do, I have a nice bridge to sell. The easterbunny endorses it :) |
| 12:59.49 | abrotman | Henry_Bean: is xserver-xorg installed ? |
| 12:59.49 | resiak | wols: :) |
| 13:00.10 | abrotman | Henry_Bean: x-window-system-core should have done it all for you |
| 13:00.13 | Henry_Bean | abrotman, yes it is |
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| 13:00.32 | abrotman | !find bin/X11/X sid |
| 13:00.40 | Henry_Bean | abrotman, x-window-system-core is installed and recently reinstalled :( |
| 13:00.56 | abrotman | Henry_Bean: that's a metapackage though .. try reinstalling xserver-xorg |
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| 13:01.35 | Henry_Bean | abrotman, done, but nothing fix :( |
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| 13:03.09 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:04.14 | vin` | Henry_Bean: what is broken? still no startx? |
| 13:04.55 | abrotman | it should be in xserver-xorg |
| 13:04.58 | peej | any good dsl modem resources for learning about concepts, like what pvc, vpi, vci etc means? |
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| 13:05.01 | Henry_Bean | vin, yes, still no startx in /usr/bin i have it at /usr/X11R6/bin/startx |
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| 13:05.11 | vin` | Henry_Bean: what does dpkg -L xbase-clients |grep startx say? |
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| 13:05.34 | abrotman | his startx says X isn't executable |
| 13:05.42 | Shai-tan | hey wols you use any IM? |
| 13:06.00 | Henry_Bean | vin, usr/X11R6/man/man1/startx.1x.gz and usr/X11R6/bin/startx |
| 13:06.27 | vin` | Henry_Bean: any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
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| 13:06.58 | peej | Henry_Bean : look for EE lines in Xorg.0.log |
| 13:07.02 | DJ-Marcuzz | im looking for an gmailfs user becaus i cant seem to get it working :S |
| 13:07.03 | Zitter | how to know if I have problem with my kernel >2.6.12 and udev? I think I have one |
| 13:07.15 | resiak | Why do you think that? |
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| 13:07.25 | offworld | hy tlm |
| 13:07.27 | dusty- | Hey guys I just bought a domain from www.godaddy.com. I want to run my own DNS Server, so I can host my own dns (www.blah.com) so i went to a dynamic dns place, a pointed namesrv1.stranged.net and namesrv2.strangled.net to my ip, i login to godaddy and try and set them as my nameserver IP's for that domain and it wont accept them, how the heck do i do this?? |
| 13:07.27 | peej | Zitter : dmesg? syslog? kernel.log? |
| 13:07.33 | abrotman | vin`: he said when he runs startx .. whines that /usr/bin/X or whatever isn't executable |
| 13:07.44 | Daemon666 | can someone tell me how i check if ive installed lilo properly before i reboot? |
| 13:07.57 | Phated | Run lilo and see if it says anything's wrong. |
| 13:08.20 | resiak | Daemon666: just use grub.. seriously. It's not worth it |
| 13:08.37 | Shai-tan | good old gnu apps are better |
| 13:08.37 | peej | Phated : I think he means his lilo.conf ;-) |
| 13:08.42 | Daemon666 | Warning: Unable to determine video adapter in use in the present system. |
| 13:08.56 | Phated | Yes, and? If you run lilo, it tests lilo.conf :) |
| 13:09.05 | Shai-tan | yeah lilo tests it |
| 13:09.07 | Henry_Bean | no, no erros at Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:09.17 | Shai-tan | opps |
| 13:09.18 | peej | Phated : um....(thinks)...yup, you are right |
| 13:09.33 | abrotman | that doesnt' mean lilo will work :) |
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| 13:10.00 | vin` | Henry_Bean: what is the last part of Xorg.0.log? |
| 13:10.04 | Shai-tan | yeah but its stage 1 of troubleshooting |
| 13:10.05 | Phated | Hey, at least you'll know your configuration's right ;) |
| 13:10.17 | peej | abrotman : um...(thinks some more) .... yup, you are right too. Bloody hell, I'm turning into Reb Tevye! |
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| 13:10.45 | Henry_Bean | vin, oh, sorry, probably it was an error Fatal server error: |
| 13:10.45 | Henry_Bean | could not open default font 'fixed'; |
| 13:10.45 | Henry_Bean | the X server's font paths might be misconfigured, remote font server(s) |
| 13:10.45 | Henry_Bean | may be unreachable, and/or local fonts may not be installed or are not |
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| 13:11.05 | abrotman | !fixed |
| 13:11.05 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 13:11.11 | peej | ooooohh .... we now about that error! |
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| 13:11.32 | abrotman | bah .. didn't notice he got kicked :) |
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| 13:12.19 | abrotman | !fixed |
| 13:12.19 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
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| 13:12.31 | abrotman | gonna stay? |
| 13:12.35 | peej | wonder if he got that? |
| 13:12.37 | abrotman | !tell Henry_Bean about fixed |
| 13:12.40 | abrotman | he got that :) |
| 13:13.07 | vin` | Henry_Bean: what does dpkg -l xbase-clients say? |
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| 13:14.12 | onweald_tim | Is there some secret to getting nfs working on debian? apt-get install nfs-common portmap |
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| 13:14.25 | vin` | Henry_Bean: what does dpkg -l xbase-clients say? |
| 13:14.44 | darkstego | onweald_tim: that should be it |
| 13:14.48 | Henry_Bean | xbase-clients 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 miscellaneous X clients |
| 13:14.59 | abrotman | what about xfonts-fixed ? |
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| 13:15.17 | onweald_tim | nfsstat -c gives me: Warning: No Client Status (/proc/net/rpc/nfs: No such file or directory) |
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| 13:15.31 | Henry_Bean | abrotman, there is no package with that name |
| 13:15.36 | abrotman | install it please |
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| 13:17.13 | chelu | i've the $DISPLAY empty, what must I write there? |
| 13:17.43 | Henry_Bean | abrotman, E: Couldn't find package xfonts-fixed |
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| 13:17.52 | xoz | Henry_Bean: no such thing |
| 13:18.34 | abrotman | bah |
| 13:18.37 | k31th | how can i test that my system is actually using ldap and not the files ? |
| 13:18.40 | vin` | Henry_Bean: try re-installing xfonts-base. |
| 13:18.48 | onweald_tim | My /var/log/messages says "rpc.mountd authenticated request from ..." |
| 13:18.55 | abrotman | Henry_Bean: sorry . it's called xfonts-base :) |
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| 13:19.31 | onweald_tim | But I do get an error "nfs warning: mount version older than kernel." The mount came w/debian sarge. The kernel is 2.6.12 (xen) |
| 13:19.34 | Henry_Bean | ok, thanks, but i don't think that it may cause the /etc/X11/X is not executable message... |
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| 13:19.39 | xoz | k31th: disable ldap in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 13:19.49 | vin` | Henry_Bean: I'm sure it is. |
| 13:20.18 | vin` | Henry_Bean: anything added from experimental? |
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| 13:20.43 | Henry_Bean | vin, yes, some x11proto libraries :S :( |
| 13:20.46 | Prudhvi | vin`, i have recently apt-get dist-upgrade my system from Sarge and i cant see text in xmms ? |
| 13:21.06 | vin` | Henry_Bean: what does xfonts-base say? |
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| 13:21.38 | Henry_Bean | vin, say? where? it has been reinstalled ok... |
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| 13:22.16 | Henry_Bean | warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory |
| 13:22.27 | Tenkawa | abrotman: that image worked |
| 13:22.32 | abrotman | Tenkawa: which ? |
| 13:22.36 | vin` | Henry_Bean: I had the same problem with xfonts-base from experimental, version in sid works fine. |
| 13:22.41 | Tenkawa | the sarge 2.6.15 |
| 13:22.50 | vin` | Prudhvi: dunno, I don't use xmms. |
| 13:22.50 | abrotman | not the one i'd have chosen .. but glad it worked :) |
| 13:22.58 | Tenkawa | why not? |
| 13:23.04 | Tenkawa | if I may ask |
| 13:23.05 | Henry_Bean | but i have recently reinstalled them from the sid repositories... |
| 13:23.12 | abrotman | Tenkawa: i told you .. the yaird stuff |
| 13:23.15 | Tenkawa | ahh |
| 13:23.28 | abrotman | Prudhvi: try changing the gtk1 font size |
| 13:23.35 | Tenkawa | whats so bad about yaird. I'm a bit behind on that stuff |
| 13:23.43 | Prudhvi | abrotman, how do i do that ? |
| 13:23.50 | abrotman | just that yaird wasn't in sarge originally |
| 13:23.56 | abrotman | !gtk font size |
| 13:23.56 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and gtk-theme-switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 13:24.16 | Tenkawa | ah |
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| 13:24.36 | Tenkawa | now I gotta recompile a new kernel so I can finish this install |
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| 13:25.01 | vin` | Henry_Bean: try getting rid of the x11proto stuff. |
| 13:25.23 | misha-strong | hi, i'm looking for the man they call "the stew" |
| 13:25.41 | misha-strong | (or just "stew" for short) |
| 13:25.44 | vin` | "the stew"? ooh .o0 |
| 13:25.56 | misha-strong | lol |
| 13:26.11 | abrotman | misha-strong: why is that? |
| 13:26.14 | Tenkawa | abrotman: hpefully in a few hours my vmware server behemoth will be done :) |
| 13:26.26 | abrotman | Tenkawa: this is a good thing? |
| 13:26.29 | Tenkawa | yeah |
| 13:26.36 | abrotman | just making sure |
| 13:26.38 | misha-strong | abrotman: just continuing some assistance from thursday |
| 13:26.41 | Tenkawa | It will consolidate 4 servers I have lying around |
| 13:26.52 | Tenkawa | this is a X2 4200 w 2 gig of ram on it |
| 13:26.57 | Tenkawa | that should be adequate |
| 13:27.00 | misha-strong | abrotman: its really complicated |
| 13:27.01 | Tenkawa | eheheh |
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| 13:27.26 | Tenkawa | at least I hope its adequate *rofl* |
| 13:27.35 | abrotman | misha-strong: you can ask anyone here ... stew may not even be home this weekend |
| 13:27.40 | Henry_Bean | vin, done, i have non x11proto libraries installed |
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| 13:27.53 | abrotman | Tenkawa: why didn't you use pure64 ? |
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| 13:28.12 | Tenkawa | abrotman: I asked and didn't get a response if it would run or not |
| 13:28.27 | Tenkawa | am I really missing out on that much? |
| 13:28.29 | abrotman | if .. debian would run on amd64? |
| 13:28.32 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 13:28.32 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 13:28.40 | Tenkawa | no... if vmware would run under amd64 |
| 13:28.41 | abrotman | Tenkawa: no idea .. depends what you're doing |
| 13:28.42 | Tenkawa | linux |
| 13:28.48 | abrotman | Tenkawa: oh .. ask #vmware :) |
| 13:28.57 | Tenkawa | abrotman: just generic x86 linux/xp servers |
| 13:29.01 | abrotman | does vmware have a 64bit client/server? thingie? |
| 13:29.04 | Tenkawa | nothing special |
| 13:29.04 | Tenkawa | no |
| 13:29.09 | abrotman | guess not then |
| 13:29.14 | misha-strong | abrotman: root@(none):/etc# dpkg -i sysv-rc_2.86.ds1-1_all.deb dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
| 13:29.18 | Tenkawa | not that I've seen anyway |
| 13:29.38 | Tenkawa | checking |
| 13:29.40 | abrotman | !find update-rc.d sarge |
| 13:29.52 | Tenkawa | ia64 maybe.. amd64 doubt it |
| 13:29.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'update-rc.d' (4): (/usr/share/sysvinit/update-rc.d) in base/sysvinit ;; (/usr/sbin/update-rc.d) in admin/file-rc,base/sysv-rc ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.2.5/functions/Completion/Debian/_update-rc.d) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.0-dev-1/functions/Completion/Debian/_update-rc.d) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 13:30.01 | abrotman | Tenkawa: not ia64 .. |
| 13:30.24 | abrotman | misha-strong: what about install file-rc ? |
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| 13:30.45 | abrotman | misha-strong: otherwise .. manually unpack the package .. put that binary in place .. then try again |
| 13:30.46 | misha-strong | abrotman: file-rc as in a package? |
| 13:31.00 | misha-strong | i would prefer the manual unpack |
| 13:31.07 | misha-strong | abrotman, how do you do it? |
| 13:31.28 | Tenkawa | nope.. no 64 bit packages |
| 13:31.31 | abrotman | file-rc is a package |
| 13:31.36 | chelu | what is the default for $DISPLAY plz? |
| 13:31.39 | abrotman | ar x .. will unpacke |
| 13:31.41 | Eulex | misha-strong, a .deb is an ar archive. ar x it. |
| 13:31.48 | abrotman | chelu: .0:0 |
| 13:31.54 | Tenkawa | so it wouldnt have gained me using amd64-debian build anyway |
| 13:31.58 | Eulex | chelu, :0.0 on the first X display |
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| 13:32.08 | Eulex | abrotman, nah, swap the : and . |
| 13:32.13 | misha-strong | eulex. what, an ar archive ?? |
| 13:32.18 | Prudhvi | !esound |
| 13:32.18 | dpkg | i heard esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 13:32.27 | chelu | Eulex, and why I cant modify it? |
| 13:32.29 | Tenkawa | ROFL |
| 13:32.39 | Eulex | !ar |
| 13:32.39 | dpkg | ar is, like, argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina |
| 13:32.41 | Tenkawa | enhanced segfault daemon... thats funny |
| 13:32.53 | abrotman | Eulex: i don't have my contacts in yet .. cut me some slack :) |
| 13:32.59 | vin` | Henry_Bean: same error? |
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| 13:33.01 | misha-strong | lol in argentina |
| 13:33.17 | Eulex | chelu, umh, what do you want to achieve? |
| 13:33.20 | misha-strong | i have ar /o/ |
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| 13:33.21 | Eulex | abrotman, hehe :) |
| 13:33.31 | nuxil | hello people.. |
| 13:33.37 | abrotman | only bots |
| 13:33.45 | Prudhvi | vin`, i have upgraded to latest gnome-desktop-env and that comes with esd and i cant play any Audio Files with esd what to do ? |
| 13:33.50 | chelu | Eulex, the java aplications, send me an error about the $DISPLAY is not specified |
| 13:33.51 | nuxil | can i get some answers.. how is debian compared to ubuntu? |
| 13:34.19 | Tenkawa | oh boy |
| 13:34.20 | nuxil | im running archlijnux and ubuntu.. but ubuntu is verry buggy on my system.. |
| 13:34.24 | nuxil | *archlinux |
| 13:34.27 | Eulex | chelu, echo $DISPLAY? |
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| 13:34.43 | nuxil | and arch is fine,, but i really like apt-get tool-- |
| 13:34.49 | chelu | before was " ", and now ":localhost.0" |
| 13:34.53 | chelu | but the error continues |
| 13:35.20 | chelu | before was " ", and now "localhost:0" sry |
| 13:35.49 | nuxil | hmm |
| 13:35.54 | Eulex | !fix-libc-6 |
| 13:35.54 | dpkg | methinks fix-libc-6 is 'cd /tmp/ && ar x /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.1-5_i386.deb && tar -zxf data.tar.gz && export LD_PRELOAD=/tmp/lib/libc-2.3.1.so && dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.1-5_i386.deb' to downgrade to the -5 package. if you don't still have libc6_2.3.1-5_i386.deb, then go get it from your local Debian mirror, as 'pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.3.1-5_i386.deb'. don't forget: put libc on hold! |
| 13:36.06 | chelu | the error is the next |
| 13:36.09 | chelu | java.lang.InternalError: Can't connect to X11 window server using 'localhost:0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable. |
| 13:36.12 | Eulex | misha-strong, ^^ that factoid include info on how to extract a package manually |
| 13:36.21 | slashseed | haha |
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| 13:36.51 | nuxil | is debian more stable that ubuntu? |
| 13:36.52 | Eulex | nuxil, yes. |
| 13:36.58 | chelu | Eulex, can you help me plz? |
| 13:37.02 | Eulex | chelu, try setting it to :0.0. btw, where are you trying to run that? |
| 13:37.06 | nuxil | does it has better hw support by that i mean the hotplug script s on so on? |
| 13:37.26 | chelu | i'm trying to run mercury |
| 13:37.39 | saad3000 | hello,how Do I make ALSA automatically reloads on startup? |
| 13:37.55 | Eulex | nuxil, it has equally good hw support, but requires a bit more manual setup in some cases. |
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| 13:38.06 | chelu | with :0.0 the error persist |
| 13:38.07 | UBL | saad3000, alsactrl store |
| 13:38.29 | UBL | on bootup somewhere , alsactrl restore |
| 13:38.30 | saad3000 | UBL: it makes it auto loads on startup everytime I boot? |
| 13:38.45 | nuxil | Eulex, and what about DE.. what is the standar one? gnome or kde? |
| 13:39.03 | UBL | "alsactrl restore" should be in a startup script somewhere |
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| 13:39.13 | chelu | nuxil, both |
| 13:39.28 | Eulex | nuxil, you get gnome if you choose to install a desktop system. but of course you can run any of them you want, there is no "standard" one. |
| 13:39.32 | UBL | alsactl, not alsactrl |
| 13:39.53 | nuxil | ok.. and the latesetversion is Debian “sarge†? |
| 13:39.56 | saad3000 | UBL: well I checked all the runlevels and its not there. |
| 13:40.05 | Eulex | nuxil, yes, that's the latest stable release. |
| 13:40.22 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 13:40.28 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 13:40.28 | dpkg | i guess alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 13:40.32 | nuxil | ok good.. then im off to dl it :D |
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| 13:41.03 | chelu | nuxil, nice choose :) |
| 13:41.04 | nuxil | better to have a stable verion that works that a bleding edge that crashes all the time like ubuntu |
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| 13:41.31 | _joey | does anyone know if external hdd should be set to slave/master/aut-select ? |
| 13:41.32 | nuxil | erm.. sry for my bad english |
| 13:41.42 | _joey | connected via usb 2.0 |
| 13:41.51 | resiak | try master |
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| 13:42.32 | _joey | I remember there was specific instruction but I lost the page |
| 13:42.34 | redkni | clear |
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| 13:42.49 | misha-strong | !find shutdown |
| 13:42.51 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'shutdown' (2): kshutdown ;; wmshutdown. |
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| 13:43.00 | misha-strong | Eulex, i installed tar -zxf data.tar.gz to my / and i can now install at least one package *hugs Eulex* unfortunately the "shutdown" command is still not found. |
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| 13:43.15 | abrotman | poweroff ? |
| 13:43.18 | Eulex | misha-strong, hehe :) |
| 13:43.28 | abrotman | misha-strong: you should actually install that package now |
| 13:43.32 | abrotman | the sys-rc i mean |
| 13:43.45 | misha-strong | thats the one that works, sysv |
| 13:43.55 | abrotman | you really installed it .. correct? |
| 13:44.03 | misha-strong | perfect, no error messages |
| 13:44.14 | Eulex | misha-strong, shutdown is in sysvinit |
| 13:44.16 | abrotman | !find bin/shutdown sarge |
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| 13:44.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/shutdown' (2): (/sbin/shutdown) in base/sysvinit ;; (/usr/share/tomcat4/bin/shutdown.sh) in contrib/web/tomcat4. |
| 13:44.23 | abrotman | misha-strong: is halt there? |
| 13:44.38 | abrotman | misha-strong: now you need sysvinit .. apparently |
| 13:44.39 | misha-strong | sh: halt: command not found |
| 13:44.49 | abrotman | how did you manage to do this? |
| 13:44.53 | saad3000 | abrotman: oke I follwed them up and the /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp works. Now if I rebooted, the sound will stop. |
| 13:44.59 | misha-strong | lol, i uninstalled e2fsprogs |
| 13:45.17 | abrotman | nice |
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| 13:45.32 | misha-strong | (in my quest to switch to download a testing version of wine) |
| 13:45.37 | abrotman | saad3000: so every reboot .. you have to rerun alsaconf ? |
| 13:45.44 | saad3000 | abrotman: yep exactly. |
| 13:45.54 | stoned | is there a console command i can run that will switch to the next xserver (effectively somehow simulating the alt+ctrl+fx) |
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| 13:46.01 | chelu | plz Eulex what can i do with that? |
| 13:46.03 | abrotman | saad3000: what if you run alsaconf as root ? |
| 13:46.04 | chelu | Stack Trace: |
| 13:46.04 | chelu | java.lang.InternalError: Can't connect to X11 window server using 'localhost:0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable. |
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| 13:46.20 | chelu | y try the 0:0 and is the same |
| 13:46.22 | abrotman | cheal: did you ask #java ? |
| 13:46.24 | saad3000 | abrotman: I always run alsaconf as root. |
| 13:46.29 | resiak | \o/ java \o/ |
| 13:46.35 | Eulex | chelu, (1) are you running an X server? (2) it's :0.0, not 0:0 |
| 13:46.35 | nuxil | I have a amd64 but i dont want a 64 bit version.. what type should i downloade? i386 ? |
| 13:46.41 | abrotman | saad3000: are you loading OSS modules in your /etc/modules ? |
| 13:46.43 | Eulex | nuxil, yes. |
| 13:46.43 | stoned | anyone |
| 13:46.54 | nuxil | ok nice. thxz for all your help guys |
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| 13:47.19 | _joey | bloody usb-ide controller |
| 13:47.22 | blakkino | nuxil: using a 32bit version will cause _big_ performance penality |
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| 13:47.27 | saad3000 | abrotman: lsmod should show me? |
| 13:47.30 | resiak | nuxil: You could install an amd64 kernel on i386 Debian, which would make things somewhat snappier |
| 13:47.39 | Clagger | I'm using the Debian Etch 2.6.15-1 kernel and I have loaded the snd-hda-* drivers. /proc/asound/devices lists a ctl device, but when I run alsamixer it says it can't open the mixer. The chipset is an ALC880 CODEC (nvidia technology by Gigabyte), any hints on how I can get it working? |
| 13:47.44 | abrotman | saad3000: no .. look in the file .. though lsmod after a reboot will show you what is loaded |
| 13:47.47 | nuxil | resiak i could do that later right+ |
| 13:47.49 | nuxil | ? |
| 13:47.55 | Clagger | I can also add that playback seems to work, only the mixer is broken. |
| 13:48.04 | resiak | nuxil: sure |
| 13:48.09 | nuxil | 1 more Q.. i see thers 2 dvd isos |
| 13:48.14 | nuxil | do i need wm both |
| 13:48.18 | nuxil | or only 1st one |
| 13:48.28 | nuxil | *vm/em |
| 13:48.33 | Eulex | Clagger, tried running alsaconf? it will load everything needed |
| 13:48.38 | nvz | you should see this penny I pulled out of my pocked.. its like disintigrating.. makes me wonder, does my ass smell so bad its eating the copper off pennies in my pocket.. heh |
| 13:48.47 | ronox | which is the better way to install kernel, build it from source or just install the debian image? |
| 13:48.53 | Eulex | nuxil, have you got a fast wired internet connection on the box you wish to install debian on? |
| 13:48.58 | resiak | ronox: the latter |
| 13:49.08 | nuxil | Eulex yes 3Mbit |
| 13:49.11 | ootput | ronox: better way to install, or customize? |
| 13:49.26 | Eulex | nuxil, get the netinstall. |
| 13:49.33 | ootput | ronox: debian kernel packaging is fantastic |
| 13:49.36 | ronox | ootput, customised install. |
| 13:49.36 | stoned | is there a console command i can run that will switch to the next xserver (effectively somehow simulating the alt+ctrl+fx) |
| 13:49.38 | nuxil | ok i'll do that then |
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| 13:49.45 | saad3000 | abrotman: yes it loads some oss snd |
| 13:49.50 | Eulex | nuxil, it's ~140mb, contains a base system and will download everything else. |
| 13:49.50 | nvz | stoned: man chvt |
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| 13:50.14 | abrotman | saad3000: that might be a good reason .. |
| 13:50.22 | Eulex | nuxil, that is, everything you want. you won't be forced to install anything but the base system. |
| 13:50.24 | saad3000 | abrotman: how do I make it not to load oss? |
| 13:50.31 | ronox | ootput, but to install some third party software would require a 'build'. |
| 13:50.31 | abrotman | take those lines out |
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| 13:50.51 | xorior | i want to use apache2, mod_php5 (unstable) and mod_log_sql. mod_log_sql breaks (apache segfaults), seems because mod_php5 / php5-mysql uses its own mysql lib (?). what's the debian way to rebuild php5-mysql to use the installed libmysql? |
| 13:50.53 | ootput | ronox: in most cases |
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| 13:51.16 | abrotman | !tell xorian` about source |
| 13:51.18 | Eulex | saad3000, installing alsa-base will make it not load oss modules by default. |
| 13:51.23 | abrotman | !tell xorior about source |
| 13:51.25 | ootput | ronox: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 13:51.26 | ronox | ootput, so just installing the image will not give you the 'build' |
| 13:51.28 | abrotman | xorian`: sorry .. misfire |
| 13:51.31 | Clagger | Eulex: everything "needed" should already be loaded. |
| 13:51.32 | misha-strong | my slocate -u --verbose is getting full-on motion blur lol |
| 13:51.58 | stoned | nvz, thanks |
| 13:51.59 | saad3000 | Eulex: I have alsa-base in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 13:52.07 | Eulex | saad3000, ok |
| 13:52.19 | nuxil | Eulex its 111MB can that be correct? |
| 13:52.25 | Eulex | nuxil, yes. |
| 13:52.28 | nuxil | :D |
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| 13:52.47 | xorior | abrotman: i know how to build a package from the source, but not how to change configure options |
| 13:53.07 | abrotman | xorior: in the rules |
| 13:53.08 | abrotman | !mg |
| 13:53.08 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar |
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| 13:53.17 | Fox_1_ | i made incoming directory, but when anonymous user write there somethink it did't show that. but in server i open that folder and that file is there. how to configure vsftp that anonymous users could see incoming dir's files? |
| 13:53.40 | xorior | abrotman: kay, thx |
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| 13:54.30 | Clagger | Eulex: alsaconf exits with this failure: alsactl: get_control:149: Cannot read control info '2,0,0,Front Playback Volume,0': Invalid argument |
| 13:54.45 | ronox | instead of boot diskette, does debian support the creation of a rescue boot cdrom? |
| 13:54.47 | SimonRaven | Fox_1_: a) i wonder why you're setting up such a thing b) incoming doesn't need to be seen, just writable |
| 13:54.58 | Eulex | Clagger, I have no idea. |
| 13:56.15 | Fox_1_ | SimonRaven: it's for my local users. when one user want give some file to other they use incoming dir. |
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| 13:56.45 | Fox_1_ | they can write and delete files in there. |
| 13:56.47 | SimonRaven | ssh not work for you? |
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| 13:57.05 | Fox_1_ | SimonRaven: no |
| 13:57.05 | Prudhvi | how do i say Rhythmbox to use esd ? |
| 13:57.14 | ronox | i have to reinstall two applications i.e. gkrellm and evolution. to save the re-config effort, i would like to cp over the config files. anyone knows where they are? |
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| 13:58.05 | SimonRaven | ronox: dpkg -L packagename [packagename ...] |
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| 13:59.22 | Prudhvi | !esd |
| 13:59.23 | dpkg | somebody said esd was the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 13:59.23 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok still an error left in gmail, could someone have a look: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1931 |
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| 14:00.56 | Prudhvi | !esd fnome |
| 14:00.59 | Prudhvi | !esd gnome |
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| 14:01.38 | Eulex | Prudhvi, umh, didn't think anyone would want *that* |
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| 14:02.41 | Prudhvi | Eulex, why? |
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| 14:03.42 | Eulex | Prudhvi, well, why do you want esd at all? |
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| 14:04.13 | Prudhvi | Eulex, i dont want esd. but, that is what comes with latest gnome-desktop-envoronment |
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| 14:04.44 | Eulex | Prudhvi, disable it then. you don't need it if you don't know why you'd need it. |
| 14:04.45 | Prudhvi | Eulex, if i apt-get remove esound then it removes gnome-desktop-environment |
| 14:05.00 | ronox | SimonRaven, thks, that was helpful. |
| 14:05.01 | Prudhvi | Eulex, but, how do i disable it ? |
| 14:05.03 | misha-strong | !find sysinit |
| 14:05.04 | Eulex | Prudhvi, gnome-desktop-environment is a meta-package |
| 14:05.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sysinit' (1): (/usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions/redhat/rc.sysinit) in net/util-vserver. |
| 14:05.15 | DJ-Marcuzz | someone , i wanna get gmailfs working :( |
| 14:05.28 | Prudhvi | Eulex, meta-package? |
| 14:05.44 | Eulex | Prudhvi, removing gnome-desktop-environment will not remove gnome. gnome-desktop-environment just depends on the gnome stuff so you can do apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment and get everything. |
| 14:05.48 | Eulex | !meta-package |
| 14:05.51 | Eulex | !metapackage |
| 14:05.51 | dpkg | somebody said metapackage was a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. |
| 14:06.04 | susperia | mmm guys, on sarge, what is the way of least resistance for getting php5 installed? (production) |
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| 14:06.21 | Eulex | Prudhvi, ^^ |
| 14:06.29 | Eulex | susperia, backports.org? |
| 14:06.31 | misha-strong | !pdo |
| 14:06.32 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/, or the machine that hosts http://packages.debian.org has been overloaded, a temporary replacement can be found at http://pdo.debian.net |
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| 14:07.27 | Eulex | susperia, don't forget to read the instructions, though |
| 14:07.34 | susperia | Eulex ;) |
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| 14:08.07 | Eulex | susperia, I'm serious. you could b0rk your system if you don't. |
| 14:08.22 | susperia | Eulex definitely... im hesitant toi do this actually. |
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| 14:12.39 | SimonRaven | ronox: give a fishing rod, vs. giving a fish |
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| 14:14.42 | Prudhvi | Eulex, thanks that worked :) |
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| 14:14.49 | Prudhvi | .ping |
| 14:14.53 | Eulex | Prudhvi, yw :) |
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| 14:16.05 | Wille88 | does anyone know why fonts are so unreadable in gtk1-apps: http://kanava.org/~wille/gtk1.png |
| 14:16.09 | knoxy | how I delete tottaly my X(gnome, kde) in debian? |
| 14:16.36 | asg | knoxy: /msg dpkg remove kde ; /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 14:17.28 | wols | knoxy: remove x11-comom and your xlibs |
| 14:17.32 | wols | that should do the trick |
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| 14:17.54 | Eulex | !gtk font size |
| 14:17.54 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and gtk-theme-switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
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| 14:18.48 | Wille88 | Eulex: I'm running unstable and they borked some time ago when I updated my system. |
| 14:19.09 | Eulex | Wille88, you could try the above. if it doesn't work, report it. |
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| 14:19.27 | v1c3 | hi all |
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| 14:19.53 | v1c3 | is there someone here can explain me why te latest testing distro won't install under vmware? |
| 14:20.08 | Flexy | what loads the modules of my 2 nic cards during boot? It's not /etc/modules, they are loaded before that. I would like to get my nics in different order, so I would need to get one module loaded before the other |
| 14:20.09 | wols | !someone |
| 14:20.09 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:20.59 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 14:20.59 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 14:21.09 | abrotman | v1c3: ask #vmware .. etch is still in development .. |
| 14:21.28 | v1c3 | :) k |
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| 14:21.36 | v1c3 | it just won't recocnazi the HD |
| 14:21.43 | abrotman | ask #vmware |
| 14:22.01 | v1c3 | k k |
| 14:22.07 | Eulex | v1c3, we can't support binary-only proprietary software |
| 14:22.19 | v1c3 | well it's the first time |
| 14:22.24 | v1c3 | it worked always good |
| 14:22.25 | wols | v1c3: vmware emulates a scsi controller. buslogic I think |
| 14:22.26 | v1c3 | btw |
| 14:22.31 | v1c3 | yes |
| 14:22.38 | v1c3 | but if I try to use ide |
| 14:22.40 | wols | so check if that's in the installer |
| 14:22.45 | v1c3 | it won't go ahead to |
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| 14:23.02 | wols | dunno about yours but afaik it only uses IDE for optical drives it emulates |
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| 14:23.24 | abrotman | or he could go ask #vmware .. perhaps it's a known issue? |
| 14:23.35 | v1c3 | I'm going |
| 14:23.37 | v1c3 | lets see |
| 14:23.38 | v1c3 | :) |
| 14:24.43 | Eulex | is it just me or if it really ugly when you have to enable some random gconf entry to get a feature? |
| 14:24.52 | dsl_ | howdy y'all. i'm having a problem with networking two debian boxes together, have googled a lot, but not found any howtos that help. |
| 14:24.54 | susperia | holy crap amavis-new and spamd is memory sodomizers |
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| 14:25.35 | abrotman | Eulex: there are lots of options only available via the gconf editor .. yes .. it's stupid |
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| 14:26.01 | navaburo | If i want to install a sarge system with backports of the latest packages, how do I do so? |
| 14:26.06 | wols | dsl_: state your problem a bit more precisely |
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| 14:26.20 | Eulex | abrotman, I agree. why not just make them available through a simple gui? but I guess that violates the gnome HID. |
| 14:26.23 | nkuttler_ | navaburo: you read the documentation at backports.org? |
| 14:26.23 | Flexy | I'm using 2 nic cards (using modules), how can I decide which one gets to be eth0? |
| 14:26.36 | abrotman | Eulex: file a bug? :) |
| 14:26.38 | navaburo | no, i will right now |
| 14:26.39 | dsl_ | basically, i have the two boxes networked, they ping one another & I can use gftp to xfer files. everything works, but for one thing: i'm limited to dialup, have a modem on Box A. pon/poff work fine, but I can't get the box to recognize the connection. |
| 14:26.43 | wols | Flexy: put them in /etc/modules. and yes, that file is honored |
| 14:26.49 | asg | Flexy: look at dmesg when you load them (manually) |
| 14:26.52 | asg | Flexy: or use nameif |
| 14:26.52 | dsl_ | we need to run both boxes through the one modem. |
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| 14:27.11 | dsl_ | both boxes running Debian-sarge |
| 14:27.12 | Flexy | wols: they get loaded before /etc/modules kicks in |
| 14:27.33 | Eulex | abrotman, nah, it would just be tagged WILLNOTFIX anyway :) |
| 14:27.36 | susperia | Eulex... if i just do apt-get -t testing install php5 would that screw php4 or would it upgrade it? |
| 14:27.37 | wols | mine don't. /etc/rcS.d/S20module-init-tools works fine here |
| 14:27.48 | nkuttler | Flexy: apt-cache search rename interface |
| 14:28.11 | Eulex | susperia, I don't know. I'd uninstall php4 first to be sure. |
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| 14:28.31 | Brainwalker | hih00 |
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| 14:28.32 | wols | dsl_: what does ifconfig say when you go online via pon? |
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| 14:28.38 | susperia | Eulex thanks, i appreciate the advise. |
| 14:28.39 | wwallace | supposse i have all my drivers mounted are the ones that im not using suppose to unmount by themselves after a long period of inactivity? |
| 14:28.50 | navaburo | nkuttler_ at: the documentation pages are not_finished_yet.html ... |
| 14:29.01 | Eulex | wwallace, no. |
| 14:29.12 | wwallace | damn |
| 14:29.13 | Flexy | nkuttler: ok, I'll look that ifrename up. thanks, if it does the job :) |
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| 14:29.19 | wwallace | ps problem i guess |
| 14:29.25 | wwallace | thank you Eulex |
| 14:29.26 | dsl_ | it shows UP for postrouting, masquerade is showing proper values, inet address is correct. |
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| 14:29.38 | wols | nkuttler: why wouldn't /etc/modules work in this case? |
| 14:29.56 | wols | dsl_: then check router and your dns server(s) |
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| 14:30.03 | wwallace | hard drives |
| 14:30.07 | nkuttler | navaburo: so read the instructions... |
| 14:30.07 | wols | not router, route |
| 14:30.11 | dsl_ | it's a sometimes problem. i have been able to get the setup working, but have no idea what i did to solve it, and a reboot or power failure borks it. |
| 14:30.31 | Seven_Six_Two | I have a highpoint rocket 100 ide controller card that the driver source is available for. The source says it requires 2.4 series kernel source and headers to be built against, which is fine since that's all I have to install in my sources. Can I build it and then use it in a 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:30.43 | dsl_ | wols: i'm using a hub (just the two computers and i'm not a whiz at networking by ANY standard) |
| 14:31.09 | dsl_ | correction, i'm using a switch |
| 14:31.23 | Eulex | Seven_Six_Two, no |
| 14:31.30 | navaburo | let me refraise my question, on backports.org, one is told to get backports one at a time. Could i install just the sarge base system (no "desktop"), then edit the apt sources file to get ALL packages from backports, then install most of my system (gnome, etc.), thus yeilding the most recent software on a stable base? |
| 14:31.33 | dsl_ | dns servers are correct, too |
| 14:31.34 | wols | doesn't matter. are we talking about the pon/poff machine not getting on the net or tha one behind the masquerading? |
| 14:31.55 | Eulex | navaburo, sure, but it's not very recommended. |
| 14:31.56 | navaburo | or is that versioning suicide? |
| 14:32.02 | DJ-Marcuzz | could someone take a look at http://channels.debian.net/paste/1931 ? |
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| 14:32.08 | dsl_ | wols: the pon/poff machine. when i DO get it working, the masqueraded machine works fine. |
| 14:32.09 | navaburo | ok, not recommended because of instability |
| 14:32.10 | DJ-Marcuzz | its my error with gmailfs |
| 14:32.14 | Flexy | wols: because the nic modules gets loaded already before /etc/modules gets processed... dunno what is loading them. Have you a better suggestion than ifrename? |
| 14:32.15 | Seven_Six_Two | Eulex, that's kind of sucky. I guess 2.4 will be fine then :( |
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| 14:32.40 | Flexy | wols: perhaps it's udev, but I have no idea. |
| 14:32.43 | wols | nkuttler: all I can say is sooner or later I always had trouble with backported packages. so my guess is you will get troubles if you use them all. just normal statistics |
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| 14:33.04 | navaburo | allright. thanks |
| 14:33.17 | navaburo | here goes a reinstall of sarge in place of etch in place of sarge |
| 14:33.18 | Eulex | Seven_Six_Two, you can't use a kernel module build against any other kernel version or with another gcc version |
| 14:34.04 | saxm | hi, I'm new to debian and just trying to dist-upgrade from sarge to etch. Got a problem installing knetworkconf though - namespace collision with an old gnome-system-tools apparently (found some bugreports online for this) - but I'm not sure how to fix it. Does anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 14:34.13 | Wille88 | Eulex: the fonts still won't work :( |
| 14:34.18 | Seven_Six_Two | Eulex, ok. I was just hoping to not have to go back to 2.4, but that is the only version of kernel source in etch anyhow |
| 14:34.58 | Eulex | Wille88, tried selecting a good-looking one in xfontsel? |
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| 14:35.34 | Eulex | Seven_Six_Two, this source is in debian? you're sure that support for that ide controller is not in the newer 2.6 kernels by default? |
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| 14:36.27 | Wille88 | Eulex: yes, but the font didn't change in apps |
| 14:36.59 | Seven_Six_Two | Eulex, the source is from the highpoint website. If support is in 2.6 by default then I don't know what I'll do. It freezes after detecting the cards and hd when I boot |
| 14:37.02 | Eulex | Wille88, and did you specify the font you wanted in ~/.gtkrc? |
| 14:37.10 | Wille88 | Eulex: yes. no change. |
| 14:37.21 | Eulex | Wille88, and di you restart the gtk1 apps? |
| 14:37.22 | BibTeX | hello |
| 14:37.25 | Eulex | *did |
| 14:37.26 | Humanoid | Is anybody successfully running the xserver-xorg version 6.9.0? I had to re-install the older 6.8.2 in order to get it to work. |
| 14:37.28 | Wille88 | Eulex: yes and even the X |
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| 14:37.42 | Eulex | Humanoid, I do. |
| 14:37.44 | BibTeX | how to configure usbmount to automount all the partition on a USB drive just when inserted |
| 14:37.45 | BibTeX | ? |
| 14:37.57 | Eulex | Wille88, ok. report a bug then. against gtk1, I guess. |
| 14:38.15 | roo9 | how do I use the ssh escape character? |
| 14:38.22 | Silent_al | hello :) how can i give permissions for a user to mount network folder and a usb device? right now i can only mount them woth root . |
| 14:38.25 | Silent_al | with* |
| 14:38.32 | Eulex | Seven_Six_Two, ah, what installers have you tried? maybe a sarge installer with a 2.6.14 or 2.6.15 kernel would help? |
| 14:38.42 | asg | !tell eraser about away |
| 14:38.56 | Eulex | Silent_al, add the appropriate lines to /etc/fstab, then the user will be able to mount |
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| 14:39.16 | Seven_Six_Two | Eulex, I already have etch set up. you think I should reinstall? |
| 14:39.22 | Humanoid | Eulex: can you please look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file and search for "pcidata" and tell me what version it is? The line should look something like "ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.8" |
| 14:39.27 | Wille88 | Eulex: ok. it was weird that the font changed in gnome-theme-switcher but not in the apps. |
| 14:39.55 | Eulex | Seven_Six_Two, ah. you could just install the new kernel and udev |
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| 14:40.51 | Silent_al | Eulex, this is how it looks in my fstab, what am i doing wrong? /dev/sda1/media/usb vfat rw,user,noauto,uid=1000,umask=0002,iocharset=utf8 0 0 |
| 14:40.52 | Eulex | Humanoid, "compiled for 6.9.0, module version = 1.0.0 \n ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.8" |
| 14:40.55 | Seven_Six_Two | Eulex, I could try that. I just hooked the new hd up to my mb's 1st channel and am using knoppix and qparted to get it goiiing |
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| 14:41.00 | Eulex | Wille88, yes. |
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| 14:41.24 | mzuverink | I have Evolution filtering spam using spamassassin, however spamassassin does not rewrite headers in Evolution as it does in Kmail, how can I get Evolution/spamassassin to rewrite header? My spamassassin user-pref file does state to rewrite headers. |
| 14:41.29 | Eulex | Silent_al, that looks fine for me too. |
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| 14:41.35 | Silent_al | =\ |
| 14:42.18 | Humanoid | Eulex: Okay thanks! That's what I had in my log too, but it failed to load it saying it's the wrong version. |
| 14:43.05 | Eulex | Humanoid, I'm running testing, btw. so I might not have the same xorg 6.9.0 as you had if you're running unstable. |
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| 14:44.03 | Flexy | nkuttler: about ifrename, I would prefer to finding whats loading the modules in boot and affect the order in which they are loaded... |
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| 14:44.21 | Flexy | What might be loading NIC modules before /etc/modules during boot? |
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| 14:44.51 | Humanoid | Eulex: I'm running testing too. Which version do you have installed? apt-get installed version "6.9.0.dfsg.1-4", and it failed, so then I tried 1-3, and 1-2, and they also had the same error. |
| 14:44.59 | wols | Flexy: initrd perhaps |
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| 14:45.11 | Seven_Six_Two | Eulex, there are precompiled drivers for redhat, caldera, suse and bsd |
| 14:45.14 | nuxil | im anout to install debian.. but got a issue.. the netinstall doesnt have module for my network card.. so |
| 14:45.15 | Eulex | Humanoid, 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 |
| 14:45.16 | Flexy | wols: I'm not using initrd at all, can't be that |
| 14:45.21 | nuxil | how do i find out what module my ntwork card is using.? lsmod shows me tonz of modules. i dont know which one is for my network card |
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| 14:45.29 | Eulex | Seven_Six_Two, don't use 'em if you don't have to :) |
| 14:45.34 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 14:45.50 | nuxil | lspci |grep eth shows me nothing |
| 14:45.52 | elephantMan | How can i debug why my soundcard isn't working ? |
| 14:45.54 | wols | nuxil: lspci -v, look for the card then look in lsmod again |
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| 14:46.13 | Humanoid | Eulex: Okay, that's the one I had too. It gave me that error. Saying that the server only supported modules up to version 0.7, but since pcidata was version 0.8, it refused to load it and quit. |
| 14:46.17 | Seven_Six_Two | they probably wouldn't work right anyhow |
| 14:46.25 | wols | nuxil: lspci -v |grep -i eth |
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| 14:47.21 | nuxil | wols that returns nothing |
| 14:47.28 | Eulex | Humanoid, hmm, that's strange. consider filing a bug report. |
| 14:47.35 | nuxil | nothing with eth in lspci |
| 14:47.39 | nuxil | -v |
| 14:47.44 | wols | nuxil: you sure it's a PCI nic? do you have ISA slots? |
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| 14:48.04 | Humanoid | Eulex: Yeah, thanks for your help. |
| 14:48.08 | nuxil | its a intergrated card |
| 14:48.17 | nuxil | i see this tho: PCI bridge: Hint Corp HB6 Universal PCI-PCI bridge |
| 14:48.22 | Eulex | Humanoid, yw :) |
| 14:48.41 | wols | nuxil: did you use grep -i eth? that -i is very important here |
| 14:48.52 | wols | nuxil: paste the output of lspic -v in a pastebin please |
| 14:49.04 | nuxil | ok.. hold on |
| 14:49.44 | Silent_al | how can i tell whats my user id? |
| 14:49.54 | Eulex | Silent_al, run id |
| 14:50.07 | nuxil | http://pastebin.com/571893 |
| 14:50.08 | Silent_al | thanx |
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| 14:50.28 | on1009 | hi all |
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| 14:51.54 | nuxil | wols see anything? |
| 14:51.55 | vin` | nuxil: lots of unknows, running update-pcids helps. |
| 14:52.02 | wols | nuxil: should be forcedeth. what kernel do you use? |
| 14:52.17 | vin` | s/now/nown/ |
| 14:52.38 | nuxil | wols 2.6.12.9-386 but im on ubuntu now |
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| 14:53.01 | on1009 | does the openmosix patch for 2.4.27 apply to the debian kernel-source? |
| 14:53.02 | wols | nuxil: thhe machine with the problem is debian tho, right? |
| 14:53.09 | on1009 | and if then how? |
| 14:53.19 | nuxil | wols im trying to install deb on this pc |
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| 14:53.31 | nuxil | im gonna get rid of ubuntu |
| 14:53.48 | on1009 | nuxil, how come? |
| 14:53.53 | Flexy | Could udev be loading NIC modules during boot? |
| 14:54.03 | curt | !ubuntu |
| 14:54.03 | dpkg | methinks ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
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| 14:54.07 | nuxil | on1009 bc its unstable it crashes all the time |
| 14:54.46 | on1009 | strange i didnt have those probs on my testinstall |
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| 14:55.05 | vin` | nuxil: tried starting the installer with linux26? |
| 14:55.42 | nuxil | vin` im trying to do the netinstall.. but it cant find any modukls for my nic |
| 14:55.43 | vin` | on1009: it's all brewing for a big splash. |
| 14:55.51 | misha-strong | how can i tell whether initscripts_2.86.ds1-4_i386.deb is stable or testing? (and dont say: install and see if crashes you machine ;) |
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| 14:56.19 | vin` | nuxil: did you just hit enter? try starting the installer with linux26 instead. |
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| 14:56.44 | nuxil | vin` that means redownloading brbrb |
| 14:56.48 | Eulex | misha-strong, it's neither. it's not the version currently in testing, stable or unstable |
| 14:56.50 | curt | misha-strong, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=initscripts |
| 14:56.53 | nuxil | im soon out of cd's |
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| 14:57.04 | on1009 | misha-strong, try search on packages.debian.org and see if its in stable or not |
| 14:57.05 | vin` | nuxil: no re-downloading, the same CD installer. |
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| 14:57.23 | Eulex | misha-strong, 2.86.ds1-12 is in testing/unstable, 2.86.ds1-1 is in stable |
| 14:57.35 | nuxil | hmm.. ahh you mean linux26 kernel? |
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| 14:57.53 | vin` | nuxil: yes, that will run the installer with 2.6.8 |
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| 14:58.09 | nuxil | ok.. so what was it using now? |
| 14:58.19 | vin` | nuxil: 2.4 |
| 14:58.21 | nuxil | omg |
| 14:58.29 | nuxil | that figures |
| 14:58.37 | on1009 | does the openmosix patch for 2.4.27 apply to the debian kernel-source? |
| 14:58.40 | on1009 | and if then how? |
| 14:58.49 | misha-strong | so if 1-1 is stable then 1-4 must not be stable? |
| 14:59.17 | Eulex | misha-strong, it has never been in stable. it may have been in testing, though |
| 14:59.33 | misha-strong | lol trust me to get a package like that |
| 15:00.11 | Seven_Six_Two | Eulex, is it possible that it was freezing because my new hd wasn't formatted or partitioned yet? |
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| 15:00.28 | Seven_Six_Two | sorry to direct q...that was for anyone |
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| 15:00.54 | Eulex | Seven_Six_Two, no, that shouldn't affect it. it has its own partitioner program |
| 15:01.27 | curt | on1009, might check here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=openmosix&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable |
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| 15:01.41 | Seven_Six_Two | Eulex, what does? the hpt 100 ide card? |
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| 15:01.50 | on1009 | ihx curt i will |
| 15:01.59 | on1009 | that was thx o course |
| 15:02.20 | Eulex | Seven_Six_Two, the debian installer has it's own partitioner program. |
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| 15:03.12 | curt | !thx |
| 15:03.12 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas, named after THX1138, Lucas' first movie. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. |
| 15:03.15 | Seven_Six_Two | Eulex, oh I know, but I wasn't trying to install... I just plugged it in to functioning etch system (with power off of course) |
| 15:03.37 | Seven_Six_Two | then rebooted |
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| 15:03.50 | Eulex | Seven_Six_Two, hmm, ok. I have no idea. |
| 15:04.33 | Seven_Six_Two | oh well. I'll keep trying. maybe I'll try one of my other hd's with it |
| 15:04.43 | elephantMan | How can i see if my sound card is recognized ? |
| 15:04.56 | elephantMan | By the driver snd_hda that is loaded ? |
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| 15:05.24 | Eulex | elephantMan, tried running alsaconf? |
| 15:05.25 | Seven_Six_Two | Knoppix wouldn't boot with it plugged in either. it just froze at "audit complete" or whatever the first line of knoppix post is |
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| 15:05.33 | on1009 | thx dpkg |
| 15:05.45 | elephantMan | Eulex, no...i don't know what it is :\ I try that now |
| 15:07.06 | Eulex | elephantMan, if you need more help, ask someone else. I'll bbl. |
| 15:07.13 | elephantMan | Eulex, you are great ! It found something |
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| 15:07.24 | elephantMan | Eulex, ok thanx for all |
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| 15:07.31 | Seven_Six_Two | maybe I'll try an install...I think I have sarge dvds around here somewhere |
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| 15:08.02 | on1009 | curt, my problem is: i am running 2.4.27 and want it to have openmosix-support there is this patch-2.4.27-om-20041102.bz2 and it applies with no errors but compilation fails for some reason |
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| 15:08.28 | wols | on1009: vanilla sources? |
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| 15:08.33 | wols | if not, use them |
| 15:08.41 | on1009 | debian sources |
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| 15:09.08 | wols | any special reason you use debian sources? |
| 15:09.25 | curt | on1009, As far as I could tell Stephen the maintainer says the patch is not for debian kernal and openmosix is being worked on but it looks to me that sarge is not the main focus. |
| 15:09.26 | on1009 | they run well for me |
| 15:09.39 | elephantMan | I now have my sound card recognized. Why no sound is exiting from my debian/gnome box , |
| 15:09.40 | elephantMan | ? |
| 15:09.43 | Aronofsky | Hi , i got a little problem, i use xdm to log and by default it launch kde wheras i xant it to launch fluxbox, where can i specifiy that ? |
| 15:10.57 | on1009 | thanks curt ... you much inside eeh? |
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| 15:11.14 | curt | on1009, I just read the bug reports... |
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| 15:11.30 | on1009 | wols, what else would i have to patch into the vanilla? |
| 15:11.38 | on1009 | LOL curt |
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| 15:11.54 | curt | !lol |
| 15:11.54 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 15:12.08 | elephantMan | ok its working thanx all |
| 15:12.12 | on1009 | sry dpkg |
| 15:12.15 | on1009 | hehe |
| 15:12.43 | tuxuser19 | i have a problem at my home network.one of my pc is not acknowledgin if i ping it.but i do recieve packets from the other pc when i ping from it.do any one know whats the reason behind it? |
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| 15:13.03 | jrix | I'm a little new to debian..I'm looking to set up my first server, any recommendations are where I should start? |
| 15:13.33 | Ronin | server for what? |
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| 15:13.47 | on1009 | wols, can i use my old (debian) config with the vanilla sources? |
| 15:14.05 | ac3 | Hi |
| 15:14.05 | jrix | file server |
| 15:14.13 | ac3 | I´d like to setup a pc imaging server through pxe, so i can remotely image or restore a group of computers. Does sombody knows good howtoo´s about this? |
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| 15:15.16 | on1009 | jrix, is your network heterogenous (win+linux)? |
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| 15:15.43 | jrix | yes, but I'd like remote access as well |
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| 15:16.17 | on1009 | ssh will do for the remote stuff |
| 15:16.17 | tuxuser19 | my pc is not accepting ping packets from other pc how to disable it? |
| 15:16.28 | on1009 | for win youll need samba |
| 15:16.58 | tuxuser19 | how to make it ackonwledge ?// |
| 15:17.13 | gnufan | tuxuser19: undo whatever you did to stop it. |
| 15:17.19 | on1009 | jrix, and have a look at shfs |
| 15:17.28 | jsizzle | sorry to be off topic but it's debian-based :) does anyone run familiar on an ipaq? If so can you tell me what the /dev entry is for the compactflash card in a cf sleeve? thx in adv |
| 15:17.35 | on1009 | jrix, its all in google |
| 15:17.37 | susperia | mmm so can anyone make a guestimate for the next stable release? |
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| 15:17.49 | tuxuser19 | infact i didnt do anything.i installed the pc today morning.i bought from a pc centre |
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| 15:18.13 | jrix | cool thanks, I really just needed a place to start... |
| 15:18.19 | fatal_ | jsizzle: My guess would be /dev/sd* |
| 15:18.28 | on1009 | jrix, wellcome |
| 15:18.52 | gnufan | tuxuser19: then probably your network settings are wrong, why do you think it is just ping? |
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| 15:19.05 | jsizzle | fatal_: good guess, but I'm ssh'd to it in another vc and I looked there's no /dev/sd* |
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| 15:20.08 | tuxuser19 | basically i cant ping from other pc.but i can ping to any pc from it |
| 15:20.15 | tbenita | hi, I can't boot my cd ia64 netinstall..... Any clue ? |
| 15:20.17 | tbenita | i386 boots fine |
| 15:20.46 | tbenita | I tried both normal ia64 netinstall and businesscard without success |
| 15:21.02 | insidius | Does anyone have any idea why my site is pingable but cant actually be accessed through a browser (i am using apache 1.3 i think) |
| 15:21.07 | on1009 | jrix, while you re at it: put ssh on a non-standart port so not everyone find the login ;-) |
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| 15:21.32 | darkcmd | does anyone know how to export an NFS share |
| 15:21.48 | susperia | insidius are there any webservers running on the machine? is the firewall blocking port 80 ? you are asking us how long a piece of string is :) |
| 15:21.49 | abrotman | man exports |
| 15:21.49 | on1009 | darkcmd, yes |
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| 15:22.29 | darkcmd | on1009: can you message me, and help me out if I have any questions |
| 15:22.37 | insidius | Sorry susperia, i am using apache as my webserver to host it, i can ping the site and it shows as my ip when i ping it, As for firewalls i dont think so i only just set the thing up |
| 15:22.39 | abrotman | !msg |
| 15:22.39 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
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| 15:23.13 | insidius | Wait a second |
| 15:23.18 | darkcmd | abrotman: I was asking permission |
| 15:23.21 | on1009 | go ahead here noone laught at me back then |
| 15:23.30 | abrotman | darkcmd: i know .. |
| 15:23.30 | on1009 | darkcmd, |
| 15:23.33 | darkcmd | ok |
| 15:23.37 | abrotman | darkcmd: you'll probably get more help in channel :) |
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| 15:24.00 | darkcmd | I'm reading, and I'm not to clear on how to export /share for everyone on my home network |
| 15:24.14 | abrotman | did you read the NFS howto ? or man exports? |
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| 15:24.20 | darkcmd | yes |
| 15:24.34 | abrotman | any errors? |
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| 15:24.43 | darkcmd | I'm going to read on how to share to 192.168.1.1 |
| 15:24.48 | darkcmd | hold on |
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| 15:25.23 | niklaus | i just installed sarge. i have freebsd on my machine. dmesg reports p2 < p10 p11>. i try to mount -t ufs -o ro,ufstype=44bsd /dev/hdc10 it gives me an error saying wrong ufstype |
| 15:25.33 | crazy_yak | Hello. How can I found out what driver is used by eth0 ? |
| 15:25.56 | susperia | crazy_yak do 'lsmod' to see loaded modules for a start. |
| 15:25.57 | niklaus | crazy_yak, you can find out your eth0 card in google |
| 15:26.08 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 15:26.08 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 15:26.15 | abrotman | niklaus: do you need the ufstype option? |
| 15:26.23 | abrotman | niklaus: what if you just try -t auto ? |
| 15:26.23 | crazy_yak | niklaus: how the heck would google know what driver I'm using for my eth0 interface? |
| 15:26.25 | niklaus | abrotman, i am not sure |
| 15:26.48 | abrotman | crazy_yak: see what dpkg said |
| 15:26.59 | darkcmd | "/share 192.168.1.1(rw) |
| 15:27.03 | niklaus | abrotman, well -t auto says specify filesystem |
| 15:27.08 | darkcmd | would that be correct to share /share with 192.168.1.1 |
| 15:27.12 | niklaus | crazy_yak, well which is your eth0 card |
| 15:27.17 | niklaus | which company made it |
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| 15:27.58 | crazy_yak | niklaus: I'm _pressuming_ it's the forcedeth driver that is used by eth0, but I want to find out for sure. |
| 15:28.05 | Chance | hello, how can i set pure-ftpd so just some file extentions like bmp or jpg to be allowed to be uploaded on my server ? |
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| 15:29.20 | crazy_yak | abrotman: my interface is up and running (as you can see). the card I have is not listed as supported anywhere, this is why I would very much like to know what module is currently making it work. |
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| 15:30.27 | crazy_yak | abrotman: preferrably, I'd like to confirm that it is indeed the forcedeth driver |
| 15:30.27 | darkcmd | abrotman: it worked |
| 15:30.27 | abrotman | darkcmd: good |
| 15:30.27 | Pascat | Hellos! I'm having issues with ALSA... mainly: The sequencer for midi... Its ... not found! |
| 15:30.27 | darkcmd | now how can I get these mounted under windows |
| 15:30.27 | darkcmd | abrotman: thanks for the tips, I appreciate it |
| 15:30.28 | abrotman | crazy_yak: dmesg might be helpful |
| 15:30.28 | niklaus | crazy_yak, you can grep in kernel source |
| 15:30.28 | abrotman | darkcmd: you have to google "NFS windows" .. it does tell you how iirc |
| 15:30.28 | crazy_yak | abrotman: DOH! ofcourse. |
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| 15:30.29 | crazy_yak | abrotman: thanks man. |
| 15:30.31 | niklaus | abrotman, it is ufs2 |
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| 15:30.36 | raf256[laptop] | how can I see what other person have on terminal? |
| 15:30.45 | useruser | raf256[laptop]: w |
| 15:30.47 | raf256[laptop] | like share terminal (read-only) |
| 15:31.08 | crazy_yak | abrotman: is it possible for me to set an option in modules.conf that would force one driver to bind the eth0 interface? |
| 15:31.18 | raf256[laptop] | useruser: how to see the same text that he have on terminal (like - connect to his terminal) |
| 15:31.34 | Eulex | raf256[laptop], tarzeau did some read-only telnet trick some time ago |
| 15:31.43 | raf256[laptop] | Eulex: thanx |
| 15:31.48 | raf256[laptop] | tarzeau: :) ?: |
| 15:31.52 | abrotman | ifrename .. or something like that |
| 15:32.03 | abrotman | niklaus: -t auto doesn't do it? |
| 15:32.10 | niklaus | abrotman, nope |
| 15:32.14 | Pascat | Here's the big error that's killin' me! ... I've googled for it, and only came with useless stuff :( ALSA lib seq_hw.c:455:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory |
| 15:32.16 | niklaus | i have sarge so it is 2.4.27 |
| 15:32.33 | abrotman | niklaus: maybe you need a 2.6? .. maybe someone from #freebsd would know the correct options? |
| 15:32.35 | tbenita | is it possible to "mutate" from i386 install to ia64 sarge ? |
| 15:32.44 | abrotman | tbenita: no |
| 15:32.51 | abrotman | tbenita: use the ia64 installer |
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| 15:32.55 | tbenita | mmm |
| 15:32.58 | abrotman | tbenita: do you really have ia64? |
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| 15:33.10 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 15:33.10 | dpkg | ia64 is, like, the new Intel Architecture, "Itanium", which seems pretty cool. or ages behind rs64-II , see also http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/. |
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| 15:33.19 | tbenita | yes abrotman : a fresh turion |
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| 15:33.31 | abrotman | that is NOT Ia64 |
| 15:33.33 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 15:33.33 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 15:34.02 | tbenita | abrotman, turion ML37 is not IA64 ?? |
| 15:34.03 | crazy_yak | abrotman: hm, found out, it is "alias <interface> <driver>" in module.conf (or in /etc/modutils/alias in debian) |
| 15:34.16 | abrotman | !ia64 is also if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion .. it is NOT ia64 |
| 15:34.16 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 15:34.23 | abrotman | tbenita: not even close |
| 15:34.24 | gnufan | _joey: why? |
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| 15:34.45 | raf256[laptop] | !smite _joey for beeing unfaithfull |
| 15:34.54 | _joey | because it causes more problems than I can solve using usb devices |
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| 15:35.15 | tbenita | abrotman, is it the i386 ? or is it something else ? |
| 15:35.34 | abrotman | it's amd64 or i386 .. either will work |
| 15:35.40 | abrotman | or x86_75 |
| 15:35.40 | _joey | Today, 3 times ide-usb controller corrupted partion table |
| 15:35.44 | abrotman | bah x86_64 |
| 15:35.48 | Terat0gen | ouch |
| 15:35.49 | Eulex | what's that command that redirects stdin to a file while sending the stdin to stdout anyway? |
| 15:35.58 | Terat0gen | > |
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| 15:36.11 | Terat0gen | oh |
| 15:36.12 | Terat0gen | tee |
| 15:36.13 | Terat0gen | ? |
| 15:36.15 | gnufan | Eulex: tee |
| 15:36.17 | javiolo | any soulseek client for linux ? |
| 15:36.29 | Eulex | gnufan & Terat0gen, thanks :) |
| 15:36.44 | ldexter | nicotine |
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| 15:37.05 | Naz_ | hey |
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| 15:37.21 | tbenita | ok thanks abrotman |
| 15:37.29 | stew | javiolo: apt-cache search soulseek |
| 15:37.36 | _joey | I think usb devices are okay to use on linux every now and again: connecting digital camera, flash memory etc. But having external hdd on linux under heavy load --Never again! |
| 15:37.41 | jfs | raf256[laptop]: if you find a solution, please let me know.. quite interesting |
| 15:37.47 | javiolo | stew just found nicotine |
| 15:37.58 | raf256[laptop] | jfs: ok, ask me in 3-5 days |
| 15:37.58 | ldexter | you're welcome |
| 15:38.10 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 15:38.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 15:38.18 | Pascat | So, anyone here able to help me with ALSA Sequencer issue? o.o |
| 15:38.27 | Naz_ | When I set up ircd and try to connect to it from a computer on the same router using its router IP, it hangs at "Checking Ident" |
| 15:38.57 | ldexter | Naz_: does it eventually let you connect? |
| 15:39.02 | ldexter | after a thousand seconds or less? |
| 15:39.03 | Naz_ | no |
| 15:39.05 | yggdrasil | abrotman i got my video card up and running !!!! |
| 15:39.09 | Naz_ | it connects |
| 15:39.18 | ldexter | but it just takes a long time? |
| 15:39.35 | Naz_ | wait |
| 15:39.38 | Naz_ | it connects |
| 15:39.40 | stew | Naz_: you can either put up with this long timeout on ident or install an ident server |
| 15:39.41 | susperia | how good an idea is "testing" for production use? |
| 15:39.46 | Naz_ | gives the error: |
| 15:39.46 | Naz_ | *** Couldn't look up your hostname |
| 15:39.59 | Naz_ | and then continues normally |
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| 15:40.12 | stew | !tell root____2 about root |
| 15:40.16 | Naz_ | what does an ident server do? |
| 15:40.22 | stew | susperia: not the greatest. what is wrong with stable? |
| 15:40.30 | susperia | stew: php5 :P |
| 15:40.43 | susperia | seriously i cant risk all the other dodgy solution to get php5 on sarge |
| 15:40.44 | stew | susperia: use a backport /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg dotdeb |
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| 15:41.06 | ldexter | Naz_: the IRCD is trying to connect to IDENTD running on your machine. If you're behind a router, the router will block this connection and you won't be able to connect until the connection initiated by the IRCD times out |
| 15:41.35 | ldexter | Naz_: you can try port forwarding port 113 to your machine and running IDENTD on it, or not |
| 15:41.37 | Naz_ | what ort does it use? |
| 15:41.41 | abrotman | yggdrasil: finally? |
| 15:41.42 | Naz_ | ok |
| 15:41.46 | Naz_ | I'll forward it |
| 15:41.47 | stew | susperia: backports.org has php5 for stable |
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| 15:41.57 | ldexter | if you don't run it the IRCD will get a connection refused error and will let you still connect |
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| 15:42.35 | susperia | stew thanks, let me do that then |
| 15:42.36 | Naz_ | is there any configuration nessecary for IDENTD? |
| 15:42.50 | _joey | it may be |
| 15:42.53 | Naz_ | as in what should I do? |
| 15:42.57 | Naz_ | just apt-get it |
| 15:42.58 | Naz_ | ? |
| 15:43.03 | ldexter | minimal configuration |
| 15:43.06 | ldexter | you don't have to run it though |
| 15:43.11 | _joey | and read provided docs |
| 15:43.14 | gnufan | Naz_: why do you want an ident server ? |
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| 15:43.20 | stew | Naz_: ident server matches the port you are using to connect to irc with the user on your system which opened it. its a stupid protocol, and its stupid that anyone wants to check it becuase there is no way to know if the data is accurate anyway. you can install nullidentd that will just return some bogus string anytime someone asks |
| 15:43.29 | ldexter | you just want to forward the port so that your machine can send the IRCD a connection refused. that way the IRCD isn't waiting forever |
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| 15:44.12 | jfs | well then you can block it |
| 15:44.30 | stew | the fact that nullidentd is a good solution should show how dumb the whole thing is to start with |
| 15:44.35 | ldexter | yeah, depends on the router |
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| 15:44.45 | ldexter | some just drop the packets which is what is causing the delay |
| 15:44.50 | ItGuY | Good morning all |
| 15:44.58 | ldexter | if his router can block and send back an ICMP port unreachable, he'd be OK |
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| 15:45.24 | ldexter | stew: or even a shell script running through inetd :-/ |
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| 15:45.46 | crazy_yak | I have an ALC880 codec card (nvidia mcp51, Gigabyte vendor) and /proc/asound/devices lists " 0: [0- 0]: ctl", but alsamixer -V all gives "alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument", I'm using a custom 2.6.15.4 kernel. I'm tossing the quesiton in here in pure desperation, any help is appreciated. |
| 15:45.48 | jfs | best thing would be an identd with masquerading support, there are some available.. however like stew said, identd is a senseless idea, you could send back whatever you want |
| 15:46.55 | Naz_ | I apt-get'd nullidentd |
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| 15:47.16 | Ts0p | huh my debian freez |
| 15:48.04 | Ts0p | i open the sound control and right when i click on enable sound server start up it froz |
| 15:48.06 | misha-strong | stew, you wont believe it, i repaired my system: even my gui is working /o/ |
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| 15:48.14 | stew | !yay misha-strong |
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| 15:48.34 | jfs | Naz_: just add "auth stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/nullidentd nullidentd" to your /etc/inetd.conf and do an invoke-rc.d inetd restart |
| 15:48.38 | ocp | hi |
| 15:48.55 | Naz_ | k |
| 15:49.07 | ocp | could someone tell me the name of debian conf file where i can setup my wifi card please ? |
| 15:49.07 | dos000 | anyone know if there is a way to tell autogen where to look for lib files ? |
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| 15:49.37 | ocp | dos000, no sorry |
| 15:49.54 | stew | ocp: /etc/network/interfaces ; man wireless ; man interfaces |
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| 15:50.33 | marcel__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.42 | ocp | stew, i have been in interfaces file, i found iface eth0 and eth1 but could not set essid key etc... |
| 15:50.44 | marcel__ | sorry |
| 15:50.44 | linoleum | hello guys, is there an easy way to have XGL on my debin sid ? |
| 15:50.46 | misha-strong | however, does any1 know how to get anti-aliasing working with KDE 3.3 ? I am running my desktop remotely through Xming |
| 15:51.00 | stew | ocp: why can't you set essid? |
| 15:51.11 | tbenita | abrotman, it works better with amd64 ;) |
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| 15:51.31 | Ts0p | ocp what kind of card |
| 15:51.31 | abrotman | good |
| 15:51.41 | ocp | stew in interfaces file, after iface... i wrote iwconfig eth1 essid .... but nothing work |
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| 15:51.50 | stew | ocp: man wireless ; man interfaces |
| 15:52.06 | Naz_ | I restarted ircd-ircu and now I get connection failed messages |
| 15:52.08 | ocp | Ts0p, integrated intel 2915ABG, and driver works |
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| 15:52.33 | Naz_ | wait |
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| 15:52.35 | Naz_ | nvm |
| 15:52.43 | ocp | stew, okee thankx i'll try that and tell you more later |
| 15:52.54 | Naz_ | but it still is not finding nullidentd |
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| 15:53.23 | itguy | ocp: what kind of driver? |
| 15:53.28 | Pascat | So nobody can help me with setting up Midi Sequencer? |
| 15:53.39 | ocp | itguy, IPW2200 |
| 15:53.43 | yggdrasil | i seem to have lost all the colors in my bash ... when i ls and stuff |
| 15:53.45 | yggdrasil | whats up with that |
| 15:53.52 | Naz_ | is there any way to just turn off checking for identd? |
| 15:54.14 | itguy | ocp: can u see the interface in ifconfig |
| 15:54.31 | stew | Pascat: which sequencer? |
| 15:54.40 | Pascat | alsa |
| 15:54.54 | amerv1 | can i apt-get mplayer? |
| 15:54.54 | ocp | itguy, non wireless yes and wireless cant til i set it up in command line with iwconfig |
| 15:55.14 | stew | Pascat: you have the snd-seq-midi module loaded? |
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| 15:55.25 | amerv1 | i have tried, but does not work...does anyone know of a repository i can add to synaptic? |
| 15:55.42 | stew | amerv1: not from debian, it can't be included becuase of patent problems, you can get it from marillat /msg dpkg marillat |
| 15:55.56 | itguy | ocp: ok i don't understand what u want, can u tht inferace to browse the net? |
| 15:56.13 | stew | ocp: if you can configure it with iwconfig, you can configure it with /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:56.35 | Naz_ | hello? |
| 15:56.43 | darkstego | hello |
| 15:56.51 | Naz_ | :P |
| 15:57.00 | ocp | itguy, just want to set it up in a file to avoid to do it manually after each boot |
| 15:57.03 | Pascat | stew: above snd-seq snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi |
| 15:57.07 | Naz_ | its still not finding nullidentd |
| 15:57.08 | Pascat | that's it? |
| 15:57.28 | ocp | stew, ok so i'll look for whats wrong with the file ! |
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| 15:57.32 | itguy | ocp: typr this pico /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:57.38 | pistachio | hi. I'm root on a Debian server running OpenSSH 3.8.1p1. I need to get the list of files uploaded/downloaded by the server users. how do I get that? |
| 15:58.06 | pistachio | e.g. is there a log file somewhere that logs all download/uploads through the OpenSSH server? |
| 15:58.15 | ocp | stew, itguy brb, I try and tell you more |
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| 15:58.33 | itguy | ocp: if you can paste your result from iwconfig and /etc/network/interfaces in the #flood maybe i can help you |
| 15:58.37 | stew | Naz_: try "telnet localhost auth" it should connect, then type "foo<enter>" it should return "foo : USERID : UNIX : foobar" |
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| 15:59.26 | misha-strong | does any1 know how to get anti-aliasing working with KDE 3.3 ? I am running my desktop remotely through Xming, the #Xming channel is empty and #kde isn't interested |
| 15:59.27 | stew | Naz_: if it doesn't let you connect you probably forgot to restart inetd |
| 15:59.46 | stew | misha-strong: try #debian-kde |
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| 16:00.19 | Fox_1_ | when i open my ftp with some login it ask password, i write password but it ask again. I use vsftpd. How vsftpd chacke password? |
| 16:00.20 | Naz_ | its connects |
| 16:00.24 | Fox_1_ | chake=check |
| 16:00.26 | Pascat | stew: How do I find out if I have snd-seq-midi module loaded? |
| 16:00.27 | dos000 | is there a way to list function names in a static/shared lib ? |
| 16:00.27 | Naz_ | then immediately diconnects |
| 16:00.31 | stew | misha-strong: and try dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 16:00.32 | itguy | How can i use MSN messanger in debian |
| 16:00.35 | dvs | Pascat: lsmod |
| 16:00.44 | Pascat | right |
| 16:00.57 | ocp | itguy, okee thankx a lot for your help |
| 16:01.00 | dvs | itguy: gaim |
| 16:01.00 | stew | Pascat: do you have midi apps running that should be finding eachother and arent? |
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| 16:01.20 | stew | itguy: apt-cache search msn |
| 16:01.23 | itguy | ocp: did u figuer it out |
| 16:01.26 | sm00f | does lcpci show realtime info about your pci bus? |
| 16:01.33 | Naz_ | server1:/etc/ircd# telnet localhost auth |
| 16:01.33 | Naz_ | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 16:01.33 | Naz_ | Connected to localhost.localdomain. |
| 16:01.33 | Naz_ | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 16:01.33 | Naz_ | Connection closed by foreign host. |
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| 16:01.39 | _joey | guys, razorback2 has been shut down by Swiss and Belgian police |
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| 16:01.46 | Naz_ | XD |
| 16:01.47 | stew | !tell Naz_ about flood |
| 16:01.47 | _joey | bastards |
| 16:01.54 | Pascat | stew: Well, <lsmod | grep snd> doesn't return me with snd-seq-midi o.o |
| 16:02.06 | stew | Pascat: modprobe snd-seq-midi |
| 16:02.10 | misha-strong | hehe, #debian-kde is a ghost-town , i'll try dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 16:02.25 | Naz_ | sry |
| 16:02.28 | stew | misha-strong: do you use an lcd device? or a crt? |
| 16:02.37 | Naz_ | can anyone help though |
| 16:02.44 | Naz_ | it connects then disconnects |
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| 16:02.48 | misha-strong | stew: lcd, very sharp, no blurring |
| 16:03.00 | Pascat | stew: Command not found o.o |
| 16:03.01 | stew | misha-strong: then say yes to the sub-pixel rendering question in fontconfig |
| 16:03.05 | stew | Pascat: as root |
| 16:03.08 | itguy | dvs: how would i install it apt-get install gaim |
| 16:03.13 | Pascat | right lol |
| 16:03.17 | dvs | itguy: yup |
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| 16:03.26 | itguy | dvs: thank buddy |
| 16:03.35 | dvs | itguy: You're welcome |
| 16:03.51 | Pascat | stew: nothing happened, well, no feedback... |
| 16:04.25 | stew | Pascat: no complaints is good. |
| 16:04.37 | itguy | guys my computer is act very slow why is that |
| 16:05.05 | stew | itguy: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
| 16:05.05 | misha-strong | did you buy a new processor? |
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| 16:05.12 | on1009 | hi hi |
| 16:05.17 | on1009 | hey |
| 16:05.25 | Pascat | stew: yay, that means sounds card is compatible or something n.n So, how do I load the snd-seq-midi module? |
| 16:05.43 | itguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.46 | Pascat | stew: and ensure I'm loading it at boot? |
| 16:06.12 | on1009 | to use vanilla sources in debian do i need cramfs patch? |
| 16:06.18 | stew | Pascat: that doenst' mean anything about your sound card. that means you can route midi events internally from one app to the other. to load that at boot time add "snd-seq-midi" on a line by itsellf to the end of the /etc/modules file |
| 16:06.32 | stew | on1009: not on recent 2.6 kernels, its now in the mainline kernel |
| 16:06.34 | itguy | stew: nothing happen |
| 16:06.46 | stew | !tell itguy about am i swapping |
| 16:06.49 | Pascat | stew: Okay! |
| 16:06.50 | on1009 | stew in 2.4 i have to? |
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| 16:07.42 | itguy | !tell Ts0p about am i swapping |
| 16:07.44 | stew | on1009: i'm not sure, but i believe so. you can check in menuconfig if cramfs is listed as an available filesystem type. if you are going to make a cramfs initrd then you need to compile that directly into the kernel (not as a module) |
| 16:08.26 | Ringo999 | hello there. does anyone of you use debian with powerpc? im trying to install on ibook G4, trying various tutorials from the net, yet having problems |
| 16:08.31 | stew | Ts0p: you can /msg the bot directly ; type "/msg dpkg am i swapping" into your irc client |
| 16:08.48 | on1009 | stew, thats a point i didnt get so far do i need initrd or not and when do i ... kindof ;-) |
| 16:08.54 | darkcmd | anyone know where I can get pentium 3 ram? |
| 16:08.55 | Pascat | stew: snd-pcm-oss <= shouldn't I replace that with some ALSA variant, since I'm running alsa? o.o |
| 16:08.55 | Naz_ | as I said |
| 16:09.05 | Naz_ | when I do telnet localhost auth |
| 16:09.09 | Naz_ | it connects |
| 16:09.16 | Naz_ | then disconnects really fast |
| 16:09.26 | Naz_ | how do I get it to not disconnect |
| 16:09.27 | stew | Pascat: no, you want that. that makes /dev/dsp, the oss interface available even though you are using alsa. without it, many sound apps wont work |
| 16:09.36 | itguy | stew: in my laptop i'm using irssi , i can't get priavt msg or anything i don't know how to set it up right |
| 16:10.04 | misha-strong | stew: i am givin three options: native, autohinter or none? |
| 16:10.12 | stew | on1009: if you are compiling your own kernel you shouldn't need initrd, you just need to make sure that you compile the drivers needed to load your root (/) partition at boot time compiled directly into the kernel, not as modules |
| 16:10.27 | darkcmd | does anyone know how I can check what type of RAM I have in my computer |
| 16:10.29 | stew | on1009: that includes your filesystem driver (ext3?) and your disk controller driver (an ide driver?) |
| 16:10.33 | Naz_ | and how do I get ircd to listen on port 6666? |
| 16:10.37 | Pascat | stew: Ok! |
| 16:10.44 | stew | itguy: type "/msg dpkg hi" right into irssi |
| 16:10.55 | Pascat | stew: and how do I...start midi seq without rebooting? |
| 16:10.56 | misha-strong | darkcmd, your bios? |
| 16:11.01 | stew | misha-strong: when in doubt, hit enter |
| 16:11.20 | Naz_ | and I've rtfm |
| 16:11.21 | on1009 | stew thanks i think .. yeah an idea is forming |
| 16:11.21 | misha-strong | stew: this is serious, its to do with anti-aliasing i think |
| 16:11.50 | darkcmd | let me check |
| 16:11.51 | darkcmd | hold on |
| 16:12.15 | misha-strong | stew: it says Native for Bitstream Vera and MS true-type, Autohinter for other truetype, None for blurry text? |
| 16:12.21 | stew | Pascat: you already have sequencing support, since you ran modprobe snd-seq-midi ; if you want to actually seqence stuff, you need to run a sequencer program, i would recommend rosegarden4 as a sequencer |
| 16:12.27 | misha-strong | stew: default is Native |
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| 16:12.44 | stew | misha-strong: try native then |
| 16:12.59 | Pascat | stew: Ok! how about Timidity? o.o |
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| 16:13.26 | stew | Pascat: that is a synth not a sequencer, Timidity is somehting that you could sequence with a sequencer, however |
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| 16:13.36 | stew | Pascat: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:13.50 | misha-strong | stew: should i choose bitmapped fonts by default? (Yes/No) no is currently selected |
| 16:13.51 | Pascat | stew: Testing |
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| 16:14.01 | stew | misha-strong: when in doubt, hit enter |
| 16:14.46 | stew | Pascat: i don't think rosegarden4 is available in testing you can grab 1.0 from unstable, or you can use my 1.2.3 debs from "deb http://vireo.org/debian/rosegarden4/ binary/" which should hopefully be uploaded to unstable soon |
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| 16:16.42 | Naz_ | can anyone help? |
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| 16:17.37 | itguy | what is going on |
| 16:17.56 | itguy | stew: so line is all 0's |
| 16:18.00 | itguy | stew: but still computer is slow as if i'm running 60000 mil softwares on the processor |
| 16:18.17 | epsilon | Naz_: repeat your question plz? |
| 16:18.23 | Naz_ | ok |
| 16:18.50 | Peterken | Hello, i have a theoretical question. If you have this: VinXs:~# uptime . How do you call VinXs:~#? (like you call 'uptime' a command' |
| 16:18.52 | Naz_ | I want to run my own ircd-ircu server |
| 16:18.57 | Naz_ | I apt-getted ircd |
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| 16:19.04 | Pascat | stew: what's rosegarden4 do exactly? o.o |
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| 16:19.11 | misha-strong | stew: no difference to the fonts O_o |
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| 16:19.17 | SaneEnglishMonk | Peterken: the prompt? |
| 16:19.25 | Naz_ | and I tryed connecting to it from a computer on the same router using its router ip |
| 16:19.28 | Naz_ | it all works |
| 16:19.36 | Norbert | hi all, I just bought a microphone to record some stuff, but I can't get it to work - I tried all kinds of programs |
| 16:19.36 | Naz_ | but it hangs at checking dentd |
| 16:19.40 | Naz_ | identd* |
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| 16:19.46 | Naz_ | what should I do? |
| 16:19.48 | Norbert | maybe someone knows what I could check out |
| 16:19.52 | Naz_ | I apt-getted nullidentd |
| 16:19.56 | Peterken | okey thanks SaneEnglishMonk |
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| 16:20.31 | epsilon | Naz_: so install an identd? |
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| 16:21.21 | cahoot | Norbert: alsa? then alsamixer |
| 16:21.21 | Naz_ | I installed nullidentd cuz I don't care about what identd gives back |
| 16:21.28 | Naz_ | but I'm stuck |
| 16:21.34 | Naz_ | cuz it didn't change anything |
| 16:21.47 | Norbert | cahoot: I've used the alsamixer, but still nothing |
| 16:21.56 | epsilon | is the ident answer reaching the daemon? |
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| 16:22.17 | misha-strong | SteW: should I try dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig ? |
| 16:22.31 | misha-strong | stew: (again) |
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| 16:23.30 | Naz_ | what should I do? |
| 16:23.31 | Norbert | cahoot: I should add that it is recording, but the sound is just way too low |
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| 16:24.04 | tulioanjos | ext3 or reiserfs ? |
| 16:24.10 | Norbert | cahoot: hey, found it - never mind |
| 16:24.23 | ootput | hi guys, can any of you help me debug a php script? http://ootput.pastebin.com/571986 |
| 16:24.29 | Norbert | cahoot: there's a cool Mic Boost option in alsamixer, I didn't see it before |
| 16:24.48 | Naz_ | how do I make ircd recognize nullidentd? |
| 16:24.51 | tulioanjos | !tell |
| 16:24.53 | Pascat | ootput: Don't think we do php here... try #php or something? |
| 16:25.00 | tulioanjos | !tell tulioanjos about ext3 |
| 16:25.13 | tulioanjos | !tell tulioanjos about ricerfs |
| 16:25.29 | tulioanjos | !tell tulioanjos about reiserfs |
| 16:25.36 | ootput | Pascat: oh, i assumed #php would be dead ;) cheers |
| 16:25.46 | itguy | ok someone help me fix this please....why is my computer running so slow |
| 16:25.49 | misha-strong | !tell tulioanjos about reiserfs |
| 16:25.59 | Pascat | ootput: hehe |
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| 16:26.26 | nuxil | hello again. i could really need some help.. i did the netinstall using the linux2.6 kernel..everyting worked fine during the install. it rebooted up i got this menu up. something about configuring the sourcelist.. now the thing is that it cant connect.. i tryed almoust all contrys. ifconfig shows me the ip "static" and route shows me the gatway. everything is correct. pinging myself worked but not the server. :( . however i did take a look in lsmod i notic |
| 16:26.26 | nuxil | ed something.. 1 module named eth1394. i know that cant be correct,,. so i fig that it tryes to use some firewire.. So my Q is how can i get it to use the same module as it did during the install .."i dont know what module it was" bc eth1394 is not the correct module.. |
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| 16:26.59 | yggdrasil | anyone know whats up with this |
| 16:27.01 | yggdrasil | ./configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=\${prefix}/share/man \ |
| 16:27.02 | yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.19 | wols | nuxil: do you have more than one networkin interface (ifconfig)? |
| 16:27.35 | wols | have you tried loading forcedeth module? |
| 16:27.36 | dos000 | how does one figure the version of X installed whithout using the pkg name |
| 16:27.43 | nuxil | wolffc, no only 1 intergrated nic |
| 16:27.49 | nuxil | *wols |
| 16:27.57 | wolffc | ? |
| 16:28.00 | nuxil | wols it was loaded |
| 16:28.02 | wolffc | ah |
| 16:28.07 | nuxil | wolffc, sry |
| 16:28.19 | wolffc | np ;) |
| 16:28.25 | vin` | yggdrasil: what are you compiling? |
| 16:28.48 | yggdrasil | um |
| 16:28.51 | yggdrasil | xine |
| 16:28.57 | nuxil | wols heres the list of the modules after the install |
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| 16:29.00 | nuxil | http://pastebin.com/572000 |
| 16:29.02 | vin` | nuxil: can you ping an ip? |
| 16:29.07 | itguy | anyone help plz |
| 16:29.08 | nuxil | vin` no |
| 16:29.13 | nuxil | only myself |
| 16:29.23 | vin` | nuxil: not an address but an ip, sure? |
| 16:29.30 | nuxil | yes |
| 16:29.35 | nuxil | 100% |
| 16:29.41 | freeone3000 | Hmm, I'm trying to run a prog through artsdsp, beacuse it doesn't seem like sound's working without it. |
| 16:29.41 | yggdrasil | vin' i found the area in the script that its referencees looks like it just cant find man |
| 16:29.47 | vin` | nuxil: and it worked during the install? |
| 16:29.50 | nuxil | yes |
| 16:29.56 | freeone3000 | Small problem, though. Artsdsp claims that the thing I'm running's not a binary. |
| 16:30.02 | nuxil | but not after it rebooted |
| 16:30.03 | dbe | itgywhats your problem? |
| 16:30.12 | Naz_ | hello |
| 16:30.20 | freeone3000 | Can I force it to execute the binary even though it doesn't think it is one? |
| 16:30.25 | Naz_ | I was wondering if someone could please help me? |
| 16:30.29 | vin` | nuxil: what NIC is it? |
| 16:30.49 | dbe | itguy, what do you want to do? |
| 16:30.50 | vin` | Naz_: just ask. |
| 16:30.58 | Naz_ | I have >_> |
| 16:31.20 | nuxil | its a itergrated nic.. nvidia gigabit lan phy more presice.. VITEESE VSC8201 LAN PHY |
| 16:31.23 | Naz_ | how do I get ircd to recognize identd as a ident server? |
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| 16:31.56 | vin` | Naz_: did you forward the port from the router? |
| 16:32.05 | Naz_ | 113? |
| 16:32.12 | vin` | Naz_: yes |
| 16:32.28 | Naz_ | yeah |
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| 16:32.35 | nuxil | wols, as you see the forcedeth it not used |
| 16:32.37 | Naz_ | tcp only though |
| 16:32.37 | stew | misha-strong: i wouldnt' bother with it again. maybe you just don't have good fonts installed. try "apt-get install msttcorefonts" |
| 16:32.56 | nuxil | and i dont know whats that good for |
| 16:33.03 | nuxil | *the module that is |
| 16:33.07 | itguy | dbe: my computer is running very slow |
| 16:33.13 | tulioanjos | someone tell me a benchmarking soft of smp processors |
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| 16:33.25 | dbe | itguy, yes and how can we fix that? |
| 16:33.36 | Naz_ | if I run:nullidentd start |
| 16:33.41 | Naz_ | it says: |
| 16:33.41 | nuxil | Anyone got an ide whats causeing this? |
| 16:33.44 | Naz_ | Group id is root, exitting. |
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| 16:34.12 | tulioanjos | someone tell me a benchmarking soft of smp? |
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| 16:34.35 | misha-strong | stew: i already installed msttcorefonts, i have Arial, Times New Roman etc which one would you recommend |
| 16:34.43 | itguy | dbe: i was asking if someone could know what's going on, like stew ask me to do "vmstat 3" |
| 16:35.13 | nuxil | man this is realy anoying |
| 16:35.21 | dbe | itguy, right |
| 16:35.31 | Naz_ | can anyone help though? |
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| 16:35.43 | itguy | dbe: so i don't know ... |
| 16:35.46 | tulioanjos | !tell tulioanjos about benchmark |
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| 16:35.53 | stew | misha-strong: i dont' know sorry, i mostly use bitmapped fonts |
| 16:35.58 | nuxil | im tyerd of this boot/reboot/boot/reboot/boo/reboot brbrb |
| 16:36.31 | gnufan | Naz_: did you get the inetd advice on installing nullidentd - and did you follow it? |
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| 16:36.37 | Eulex | misha-strong, not one of those. try using the native hinter and bitstream vera sans. |
| 16:36.47 | Naz_ | what advice? |
| 16:37.08 | gnufan | Naz_: the advice that tell you how to run nullidentd from inetd |
| 16:37.15 | misha-strong | eulex: and what about fixed width? |
| 16:37.24 | nuxil | hmm howcome it worked during the install and not after?? hmm |
| 16:37.50 | Naz_ | where? |
| 16:37.52 | misha-strong | eulex: also, should sub-pixel hinting be on? |
| 16:38.07 | misha-strong | eulex: i mean in KDE control centre |
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| 16:38.24 | gnufan | Naz_: it is spewed out at the end of installing nullidentd -- so presumably console of email |
| 16:38.26 | Cae2 | Hi, in another machines every time that I upgrade a kernel to 2.6.14.3 I need to change configs from hda to sda (SATA disk) but now I have a machine that doesnt work with sda, just hda.. I'm forgetting something? |
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| 16:38.44 | Naz_ | I apt-gett'd it |
| 16:38.45 | Eulex | misha-strong, if you have a tft, enable sub-pixel hinting. I dunno about fixed width; those are mostly used for terminals. I don't use kde, btw. it has uglier fonts than gtk2 imho. |
| 16:39.04 | abrotman | Cae2: where did you get that kenrel? |
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| 16:39.06 | nuxil | i need some seriouse help guys |
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| 16:39.23 | gnufan | Naz_: so did I.. cat /usr/share/doc/nullidentd/README |
| 16:39.23 | Cae2 | abrotman, kernel.org |
| 16:39.34 | Naz_ | k |
| 16:39.35 | Cae2 | can I alter the order of modules (initrd) on boot? |
| 16:39.39 | tulioanjos | lol |
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| 16:40.00 | Stevie | Cae2: What reason would you have for doing that? |
| 16:40.02 | fas3r | what's the role of server-imap ? authorize connection from network (or not) to Maildir it's this? |
| 16:40.19 | abrotman | Cae2: why do you think changing the order of modules would chnage the alias for a device? |
| 16:40.21 | wols | it's the imapd |
| 16:40.39 | Cae2 | Stevie, I want to bring up SCSI subsystem before some others |
| 16:40.45 | Stevie | but why? |
| 16:40.45 | wols | fas3r: get courier-imap, nothing else for maildir |
| 16:40.47 | abrotman | it won't matter |
| 16:40.51 | Covener | nuxil: "used by = 0" doesn't mean the module didn't find a card, fwiw |
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| 16:41.09 | Cae2 | abrotman, its the only diference that I can see from machines |
| 16:41.10 | Stevie | Cae2: What effect would that have on your system? |
| 16:41.15 | misha-strong | Eulex: all I know is that in Fedora Core 3 and 4 the fonts are all alpha-bended and pretty at first boot (using KDE) |
| 16:41.32 | Cae2 | Stevie, in another machines every time that I upgrade a kernel to 2.6.14.3 I need to change configs from hda to sda (SATA disk) but now I have a machine that doesnt work with sda, just hda |
| 16:41.43 | nuxil | Covener so why did it work in install? |
| 16:41.53 | abrotman | Cae2: could be a BIOS setting |
| 16:42.00 | misha-strong | Eulex: the fc4 runs Sans if I'm not mistaken, and it looks really good |
| 16:42.10 | Covener | nuxil: who knows, were you able to determine it was a different driver during the install? |
| 16:42.19 | Cae2 | abrotman, I agree... but no idea what can be |
| 16:42.19 | Naz_ | I added the thing to inetd.conf |
| 16:42.20 | Stevie | wait, you're saying that when you upgraded these machines to 2.6.14, your drives magically cahnged from 'hda' to 'sda'??? |
| 16:42.28 | Naz_ | at the end of it |
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| 16:42.32 | Naz_ | then I did: |
| 16:42.33 | Covener | nuxil: but you ought to be able to remove/add that module and see the driver report some kind of status in dmesg |
| 16:42.38 | abrotman | Stevie: if he went from a 2.4 to a 2.6 .. it will |
| 16:42.42 | Stevie | it will? |
| 16:42.44 | Naz_ | /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 16:42.48 | Naz_ | still not working |
| 16:42.49 | abrotman | Cae2: maybe the one that lets SATA work as PATA? |
| 16:42.49 | misha-strong | Stevie: i've really got to upgrade then lol |
| 16:42.52 | abrotman | Stevie: yes |
| 16:42.57 | nuxil | Covener no i didnt check the driver in install since it worked |
| 16:43.12 | Covener | misha-strong: Sans would just be a handy alias to some other font in fontconfig, not an actual font itself. |
| 16:43.18 | Stevie | wait, there was a card whose driver reported ide nodes instead of scsi nodes? |
| 16:43.30 | Stevie | and now in 2.6 its card reports scsi nodes? |
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| 16:43.36 | nuxil | Covener i think i |
| 16:43.52 | misha-strong | Covener: how would I work out which font is actually being displayed? |
| 16:44.09 | nuxil | start the install over again and save the dmesg log and lsmod > tmp for comarison |
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| 16:44.22 | Naz_ | can anyone tel what is wrong? |
| 16:44.23 | Covener | XFT_DEBUG=255 xterm -fa sans |
| 16:44.27 | Covener | misha-strong: ^^ |
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| 16:45.11 | Covener | misha-strong: (I'm sure there's some more direct way, but whatever works) |
| 16:45.13 | Stevie | naz, I've read back up as far as I can go and I don't know what it is that you're trying to start |
| 16:45.42 | Stevie | Cae2: It sounds to me like the BIOS is telling the SB chipset to fakeout the OS by pretending that you have regular IDE drives instead of SATA drives |
| 16:46.44 | Cae2 | sata disks are sda on recent kernel |
| 16:46.44 | Cae2 | arent? |
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| 16:47.16 | tulioanjos | sda = scsi |
| 16:47.17 | tulioanjos | dont ? |
| 16:47.31 | Stevie | I'm not certain, but I thought my first encounter with SATA in 2.4 had them as /dev/sd[a-z] |
| 16:47.49 | Stevie | On the other hand, I was using a Promise controller |
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| 16:49.40 | Naz_ | is their any way to just turn off ircd looking for identd? |
| 16:50.14 | pontus21 | 04 |
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| 16:50.19 | Cae2 | the only thing that I can found in bios about sata, is the work mode, enhanced or legacy |
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| 16:51.24 | abrotman | legacy would tell it to be pata iirc |
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| 16:51.43 | Naz_ | ummm... |
| 16:51.47 | Naz_ | I really need help |
| 16:51.51 | Cae2 | hmm.. it is working on legacy mode :" |
| 16:51.58 | Cae2 | :~ |
| 16:52.13 | pescadito | create a dvd debian sarge? it posible with the 14 cds |
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| 16:53.56 | abrotman | Naz_: what irc server is it ? |
| 16:54.08 | abrotman | pescadito: huh? |
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| 16:54.54 | Naz_ | ircd-ircu |
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| 16:55.18 | abrotman | have you considered .. it could be an option on the ircd .. freenode let's me connect even though identd doesn't work |
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| 16:56.00 | Naz_ | nmpa localhost is not showing anything on port 113 |
| 16:56.04 | misha-strong | Covener: there was a font called Sans but I couldn't tell if it was the same.. bleh |
| 16:56.12 | mtgh | Hi everyone, I have used backports to run php5 on sarge, but I am unable to find a package for php5-pear and php5-pear-log, does anyone know where they went to? |
| 16:56.34 | abrotman | Naz_: i'm telling you . check the settings for the ircd .. if your ircd REQUIRES identd .. it shouhld be thrown away |
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| 16:56.53 | Covener | misha-strong: sorry, discovered fc-match -v Sans after you signed off - slightly better output. My guess would be Bitstream Vera Sans |
| 16:56.56 | Naz_ | ok |
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| 16:57.18 | Naz_ | I'm in ircd.conf |
| 16:57.19 | ice_1963 | abrotman: are you running sarge or etch? |
| 16:57.27 | abrotman | etch on my laptop .. why? |
| 16:57.29 | ke6isf | ...blargh... |
| 16:57.32 | misha-strong | Covener: i never signed of o_O, but thx ill try now |
| 16:57.47 | Covener | misha-strong: maybe install ttf-bitstream-vera and tell fontconfig to prefer them for sans/sans-serif/mono? |
| 16:57.48 | Naz_ | I don't see anything saying identd? |
| 16:57.54 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 16:57.58 | Naz_ | I don't see anything saying identd. |
| 16:58.16 | abrotman | Naz_: you'll need to read the manual for your ircd .. start there .. or pick another ircd |
| 16:58.16 | elephantMan | What is the good wifi manager under gnome/linux ? |
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| 16:58.58 | Naz_ | I rad the manual |
| 16:59.00 | Naz_ | no help |
| 16:59.03 | Naz_ | read* |
| 16:59.11 | Naz_ | I can connect to the ircd server |
| 16:59.19 | Naz_ | just identd doesn't seem to work |
| 16:59.28 | Naz_ | and it stalls for a little |
| 16:59.33 | Naz_ | then it works fine |
| 16:59.33 | Stevie | are you firewalled? |
| 16:59.34 | ke6isf | !tell Naz_ -about enter |
| 16:59.38 | abrotman | elephantMan: to manage what? |
| 16:59.53 | abrotman | really .. i have a firewall .. and no identd .. i can connect to IRC servers |
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| 17:00.56 | Naz_ | I am firewalled but I have made a port forward of 113 tcp to my linux box. |
| 17:01.06 | misha-strong | how do I change the time two hours back in linux? |
| 17:01.07 | Naz_ | Same with ircd. |
| 17:01.17 | abrotman | why would you want to do that? |
| 17:01.21 | Stevie | what do you mean, 'same with ircd'? |
| 17:01.25 | wols | abrotman: if there is more than one connection to freenode from the same ip, it does stall |
| 17:01.36 | abrotman | wols: i don't have identd .. at all |
| 17:01.50 | Naz_ | I've set a port forward of 6667 for IRCD to my linux box, too. |
| 17:01.54 | Stevie | abrotman: Obviously he has invented/discovered a time machine, and needs to correct his system clock |
| 17:01.57 | Stevie | Naz_: Wait, why? |
| 17:02.09 | tulioanjos | someone give me a good sources.list, plz ? |
| 17:02.13 | tulioanjos | the default one is not good |
| 17:02.15 | Stevie | you're hosting an ircd? |
| 17:02.22 | kronoz | hi, do the weekly build cd have kernel 2.6? |
| 17:02.23 | Naz_ | Yes. |
| 17:02.29 | abrotman | kronoz: probably |
| 17:02.33 | abrotman | tulioanjos: apt-setup |
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| 17:02.40 | misha-strong | lol Stevie |
| 17:03.39 | tulioanjos | abrotman worked fine, thanks |
| 17:03.41 | misha-strong | Thats right all, I just need to correct my system clock, although it may be preferable to change my system clock from GMT to local time? |
| 17:03.48 | tulioanjos | but tell me a good mirrors |
| 17:03.50 | tulioanjos | fast and updated |
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| 17:03.54 | ke6isf | !all |
| 17:03.54 | dpkg | All: no such nick/channel. Just ask your question, please - ask me about <ask>. a brand of laundry detergent in the United States, and it's not expected that this will answer, either. |
| 17:03.58 | abrotman | tulioanjos: apt-spy |
| 17:04.00 | ke6isf | tulioanjos: apt-setup. |
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| 17:04.05 | tulioanjos | lol |
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| 17:04.07 | _unstable | !tell misha-strong about tzconfig |
| 17:04.09 | Stevie | oops |
| 17:04.10 | abrotman | misha-strong: wtf is wrong with your clock ? |
| 17:04.12 | bashman | greetings. i need to jigdo working in background it is possible? |
| 17:04.14 | blondie | PRAISE THE LORD |
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| 17:04.25 | abrotman | blondie: kind of early for that |
| 17:04.26 | _unstable | !tell misha-strong about ntp |
| 17:04.31 | blondie | :( |
| 17:04.34 | alabama | anyone here an mdadm expert? |
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| 17:04.38 | blondie | I'm always worth praising :\ |
| 17:04.38 | bashman | i use this in a ssh conection. |
| 17:04.38 | ke6isf | !anyone |
| 17:04.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:04.45 | _unstable | !tell alabama about ask |
| 17:04.54 | alabama | ke6isf: ok sorry |
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| 17:05.01 | sylvisj | Can anyone help me get my mic workin? |
| 17:05.13 | abrotman | raise your levels |
| 17:05.17 | ke6isf | !tell sylvisj -about ask |
| 17:05.22 | misha-strong | abrotman: okay well I think the clock is set to 1900 hours on the hardware, and then It goes +2 for local time, but I need it be 1900 hours on the hardware and then the hardware must be local time |
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| 17:05.35 | bashman | greetings. i need to jigdo working in background it is possible? |
| 17:05.36 | bashman | i use this in a ssh conection. |
| 17:05.44 | _unstable | sylvisj: apt-get install alsa-utils alsa-base audacity; then as non-root type "alsamixer" and turn up all the mic levels...then start audacity and start recording your voice. |
| 17:05.46 | TigerTjader | hi |
| 17:05.49 | alabama | i have six active devices in a raid-5 array that requires eight devices. i have one spare. what do i have to do to convert the spare to become part of the active array? i'm not even sure why it's running right now. |
| 17:05.56 | abrotman | misha-strong: hwclock .. ntpdate .. |
| 17:05.57 | TigerTjader | where's the default place for grub.conf? |
| 17:05.58 | _unstable | !greet TigerTjader |
| 17:05.58 | dpkg | Hi there, TigerTjader |
| 17:06.05 | _unstable | TigerTjader: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:06.06 | curt | I am running out of room in /usr, How can I change it's size without deleting anything? |
| 17:06.09 | _unstable | !tell TigerTjader about grub |
| 17:06.13 | sylvisj | _unstable: I need it to work at all times... trying to play CS Source on Cedega, can't get any input from my mic |
| 17:06.26 | sylvisj | Can't get any mic sound through my speakers |
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| 17:06.34 | _unstable | sylvisj: /join #cedega |
| 17:06.34 | stew | curt: move larger directories (/usr/local? /usr/src?) onto another partition and symlink them |
| 17:06.35 | yggdrasil | is there a way to copy a file (in cmd) and have it show me a progress graph like in wget ? |
| 17:06.35 | sylvisj | Alsa base and alsa utils are installed. |
| 17:06.40 | chx | is it possible to print a PDF magnified? |
| 17:06.56 | sylvisj | _unstable: This is a linux issue, not cedega, I'm not getting _any_ speaker output from the mic |
| 17:07.00 | curt | stew, great idea, thank you. |
| 17:07.09 | ke6isf | sylvisj: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 17:07.16 | sylvisj | Etch |
| 17:07.23 | sylvisj | Latest |
| 17:07.26 | Naz_ | Can anyone for once help try and get nullidentd working? |
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| 17:07.38 | ke6isf | sylvisj: And your mic is not functional in anything? |
| 17:07.39 | Naz_ | Can anyone help me by starting a private chat? |
| 17:07.42 | sylvisj | Exactly. |
| 17:07.55 | misha-strong | all, would this be a good idea: put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS btw: /etc/default/rcS does not exist |
| 17:07.56 | _unstable | Naz_: You want to start a private directly connected dcc chat? |
| 17:07.56 | sylvisj | That I know of, anyway. Haven't tried recording voice to a file, that's not what I'm trying to do. |
| 17:08.01 | ke6isf | !tell misha-strong -about all |
| 17:08.20 | ke6isf | sylvisj: Try this first as a test. |
| 17:08.23 | alabama | i'm running a raid-5 array with eight devices. i only have six active devices right now and one spare. how to i get the spare to become active? |
| 17:08.31 | ke6isf | misha-strong: Be nice to dpkg. He has good advice. |
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| 17:08.37 | Daemon666 | hi, can someone tell me how to un-install a apckage completely? (I didnt install it using apt) |
| 17:08.53 | ke6isf | Daemon666: What did you install it with? |
| 17:08.56 | abrotman | Daedalus_: make uninstall |
| 17:09.03 | Daemon666 | an install script |
| 17:09.10 | _unstable | Daemon666: apt-get remove --purge package |
| 17:09.10 | abrotman | hahah .. |
| 17:09.25 | ke6isf | Daemon666: Read the documentation that came in the package. Should be in there. |
| 17:09.27 | Daemon666 | _unstable - it wasnt installed using apt |
| 17:09.33 | tulioanjos | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] _ |
| 17:09.34 | _unstable | Daemon666: It doesn't matter that you didn't use apt, if you used a *.deb file this will work. Daemon666 if you installed from source, go to the directory you did "make install" and type "make uninstall" |
| 17:09.35 | tulioanjos | but is not that |
| 17:09.37 | tulioanjos | what is the real one ? |
| 17:09.41 | alabama | Daemon666: then you have to rely on the install script to uninstall it. Or it might have installed a remover. which app? |
| 17:09.52 | tulioanjos | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] _ |
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| 17:09.58 | Daemon666 | the application is webmin |
| 17:10.06 | ke6isf | !tell tulioanjos -about repeat |
| 17:10.07 | misha-strong | Daemon666 btw: if its not apt or dpkg then its not a package |
| 17:10.09 | Daemon666 | i need to get rid of it |
| 17:10.11 | _unstable | Daemon666: Did you use a *.deb file, or install from source? |
| 17:10.18 | tulioanjos | ke6isf ok |
| 17:10.18 | _unstable | !tell Daemon666 about webmin |
| 17:10.41 | Daemon666 | ./setup.sh /usr/local/webmin |
| 17:10.47 | misha-strong | all, am I correct ^^ ? |
| 17:10.48 | Daemon666 | thats the command i used |
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| 17:10.59 | Covener | tulioanjos: install a linux-headers package |
| 17:11.00 | sylvisj | ke6isf: It's recording sound from XMMS, but not my mic (in audacity) |
| 17:11.04 | ke6isf | misha-strong: There is nobody named "all" in here. Don't address the channel by prefixing "all". |
| 17:11.15 | _unstable | misha-strong: yea, all is annoying. |
| 17:11.15 | misha-strong | lol okay |
| 17:11.20 | tulioanjos | could'nt find the linux-headers package |
| 17:11.25 | abrotman | Stevie-O: you forgot your hostmask |
| 17:11.31 | _unstable | tulioanjos: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 17:11.35 | _unstable | !tell tulioanjos about apt-cache |
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| 17:11.46 | ocp | stew, ? u there ? |
| 17:11.49 | tehhh | i've tried to unload module ip_conntrack with rmmod ip_conntrack, now rmmod takes 99% CPU and i can't kill it even with -9, any idea? top says process is 'R' e.g. running? |
| 17:11.50 | abrotman | _unstable: why did you change your nick? |
| 17:11.54 | ke6isf | misha-strong: Listen to the advice that dpkg gives you. |
| 17:11.59 | abrotman | tehhh: use modprobe -r |
| 17:12.06 | tulioanjos | i know what apt-cache is |
| 17:12.10 | tulioanjos | but i need another mirror |
| 17:12.24 | ke6isf | sylvisj: Weird. Mixer's turned up for mic level? Mic is plugged into the correct jack? |
| 17:12.27 | abrotman | tehhh: see what the parent is to try to kill it .. use the tree mode if you can't figure it out |
| 17:12.33 | misha-strong | ke6isf: a brand of laundry detergent in the United States? |
| 17:12.34 | _unstable | abrotman: I dunno, I like to change it every couple weeks, so I don't develop a reputation. and only the smart people who have scripts attached to their irc client that check hostmask/ident/real_name know it's the same person |
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| 17:12.49 | abrotman | _unstable: or people that see you join :) |
| 17:12.52 | ke6isf | misha-strong: Yes, that's the only thing that All is, as far as I'm concerned, other than an acute annoyance. |
| 17:12.53 | misha-strong | !tell ke6isf about laundry |
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| 17:13.10 | alabama | i just pasted my mdadm -D output to #flood |
| 17:13.12 | sylvisj | ke6isf: Yeah, mic's plugged in right, mic volume and mic capture are maxed out in alsamixer -V all |
| 17:13.15 | stew | ocp: ? |
| 17:13.27 | tehhh | abrotman, the "tree" mode? top has tree mode? |
| 17:13.35 | tehhh | or? |
| 17:13.38 | ke6isf | sylvisj: I'm stuck. Sorry. |
| 17:13.43 | sylvisj | Damn. |
| 17:14.00 | abrotman | tehhh: ps does :) |
| 17:14.11 | tulioanjos | ps x |
| 17:14.12 | tulioanjos | ps -A |
| 17:14.14 | stew | "ps -O%P pid" will show you parent id |
| 17:14.17 | alabama | funny thing about 'does anyone use mdadm'... saves a lot of time pasting if noone actually knows the answer ;-) |
| 17:14.29 | abrotman | alabama: plenty of people do .. |
| 17:14.29 | ocp | stew, I tryed to set my card up but it failed, can i show you what i have put in interfaces file ? |
| 17:14.41 | stew | ocp: sure, put it in a pastebin /msg dpkg paste |
| 17:14.43 | abrotman | alabama: what is the gist of the problem? |
| 17:14.48 | misha-strong | um so i asked whether to put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS, even when /etc/default/rcS doesn't exist? |
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| 17:15.03 | ocp | stew, ?? |
| 17:15.11 | alabama | abrotman: i'm running a raid-5 array with eight devices. i only have six active devices right now and one spare. how to i get the spare to become active? |
| 17:15.12 | stew | misha-strong: why did you delete /etc/default/rcS? |
| 17:15.17 | stew | ocp: ?? |
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| 17:15.31 | abrotman | alabama: i would htink the software raid howto would cover that |
| 17:15.32 | Covener | misha-strong: grep -r /etc/default/rcS /etc/init.d/ -- is it referenced? |
| 17:15.37 | misha-strong | stew: stop accusing me * sobs * i didn't delete /etc/default/rcS |
| 17:15.39 | ge | hi |
| 17:15.42 | ocp | stew, what's pastebin /msg dpkg paste ? |
| 17:15.48 | alabama | abrotman: nope. i can't get it to become active for anything |
| 17:15.48 | stew | misha-strong: if you don't have it, someone deleted it |
| 17:15.52 | ke6isf | misha-strong: Then where'd it go? |
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| 17:15.56 | stew | !tell ocp about paste |
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| 17:16.03 | Led_Zeppelin | any good Flac to Mp3 convertors out there? |
| 17:16.06 | stew | !tell ocp about paster |
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| 17:16.11 | abrotman | misha-strong: you did something .. you have files missing everywhere |
| 17:16.18 | ge | hoe are you? |
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| 17:16.25 | stew | Led_Zeppelin: flac --decode -c | lame ... - somefile.mp3 |
| 17:16.27 | abrotman | not a social channel |
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| 17:16.31 | alabama | abrotman: i'm pasting the output into #flood.. |
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| 17:16.40 | ke6isf | Isn't "hoe" what I pull weeds with? |
| 17:16.42 | ge | why? |
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| 17:16.48 | abrotman | alabama: be warned .. i don't use software raid |
| 17:16.59 | misha-strong | i suppose this is where I admit that the /etc/default/rcS is for my separate FC4 install |
| 17:17.01 | alabama | abrotman: this is my first experiment since 3ware ;-) |
| 17:17.02 | ocp | stew, so i paste it in flood chan then ? |
| 17:17.08 | tehhh | i killed the parent without much luck, rmmod still up and taking 99% cpu, ps shows it without parent |
| 17:17.14 | stew | Led_Zeppelin: read the flac and lame manpages to figure out what exact options you need for both, but iirc -c to flac sends output to stdout and - as an input file to lame means take input from stdin |
| 17:17.30 | stew | ocp: either flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 17:17.45 | abrotman | alabama: i'd think mdadm would allow you a way to bring it online |
| 17:18.03 | stew | misha-strong: #fedora |
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| 17:18.10 | tehhh | so rmmod can't be killed ? |
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| 17:18.41 | alabama | abrotman: me too. i mean, technically it is online. the raid array is mounted and working. it's just that the spare is just that. it's not part of the array and a reboot means the array will go down and not come back up. (been working on this for a few days) |
| 17:18.47 | ocp | stew, did u see it ? |
| 17:19.01 | abrotman | alabama: maybe you have ... do some sort of rebuild ? |
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| 17:19.15 | itguy | okay guys i ve a quick question, what do i have to do if i want to download xchat for example...how do i get or search for the apt-get |
| 17:19.17 | alabama | abrotman: yeah, that got the bare drive into spare status. |
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| 17:19.25 | sylvisj | apt-cache search <blah> |
| 17:19.33 | misha-strong | Covener: that grep didn't return anything |
| 17:19.39 | ke6isf | itguy: 'apt-get install xchat'. |
| 17:19.42 | dvs | itguy: and apt-cache show <name> |
| 17:19.45 | alabama | abrotman: but i would think that a failure would automatically cause the spare to be added to the array, but it's not. |
| 17:19.54 | abrotman | alabama: may depend on the config |
| 17:19.57 | ke6isf | misha-strong: We can't help you here. Go to #fedora. |
| 17:20.04 | tehhh | abrotman, idea about the rmmod killing ? ;-) |
| 17:20.13 | alabama | abrotman: ;-) I guess so. |
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| 17:20.30 | abrotman | tehhh: use modprobe -r .. and use ps and find the PPID |
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| 17:20.59 | tehhh | modprobe -r does nothing, i have a hanging rmmod process taking 99% cpu |
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| 17:21.28 | abrotman | no kidding .. kill that |
| 17:21.29 | abrotman | or reboot |
| 17:21.32 | abrotman | take your pick |
| 17:21.36 | xor | is there a way to port stable distribution to latest testing? |
| 17:21.43 | abrotman | huh? |
| 17:21.44 | tehhh | i can't kill it ! ;-) killall -9 rmmod does nothing |
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| 17:21.51 | abrotman | no shit .. KILL THE PPID! |
| 17:21.56 | wols | xor: "port"? |
| 17:22.01 | ke6isf | xor: ...what? |
| 17:22.06 | Mysha | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.08 | tehhh | abrotman, there's no parent now |
| 17:22.08 | wols | all you need to do is edit your sources.list then update and dist-upgrade |
| 17:22.24 | freeone3000 | How would I set my network IP to static? When I change ifconfig, it doens't do anytihng, and it goes back to the origonal on reboot. |
| 17:22.25 | abrotman | tehhh: it has no PPIC or children ? |
| 17:22.28 | abrotman | PPID |
| 17:22.31 | xor | wols: I mean lets become a stable a testing |
| 17:22.33 | Covener | freeone3000: man interfaces |
| 17:22.35 | abrotman | !tell freeone3000 about interfaces |
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| 17:22.42 | tehhh | PPID = parent process ID ? |
| 17:22.52 | blondie | children are horrible |
| 17:23.17 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:23.24 | dn3 | is anyone using as400 / sparc / hp9000-risc / rs/6000 with debian ? |
| 17:23.34 | abrotman | dn3: probably .. just ask |
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| 17:23.49 | wols | xor: I mean the same |
| 17:23.55 | Eulex | dn3, I don't think it's possible to run debian on an as400 |
| 17:23.57 | javiolo | !ask |
| 17:23.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:23.59 | tehhh | the parent was bash, i killed it, there's no parent for rmmod now! |
| 17:24.00 | tehhh | ;) |
| 17:24.04 | xor | so I just need to edit the source.list |
| 17:24.04 | wols | freeone3000: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:24.32 | dn3 | Linux debia64 2.4.27-2-itanium-smp #1 SMP Mon May 30 01:54:31 MDT 2005 ia64 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:24.43 | sylvisj | LOL itanic |
| 17:24.54 | abrotman | Eulex: s390 ? |
| 17:25.06 | Eulex | abrotman, eh? |
| 17:25.07 | abrotman | dn3: ok .. is there more to your question? |
| 17:25.07 | Covener | abrotman: diff platform |
| 17:25.14 | abrotman | Covener: i'm aware of that |
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| 17:25.19 | tehhh | fucking linux kernel ;-) |
| 17:25.22 | dn3 | eulex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS/400 |
| 17:25.22 | abrotman | Eulex: he may have gotten confused |
| 17:25.48 | dn3 | abrotman: becouse i have it and id like to help debian with current problems at those architectures |
| 17:26.06 | abrotman | dn3: ah .. each archtecture has a mailing list or channel |
| 17:26.09 | abrotman | !parisc |
| 17:26.09 | dpkg | hmm... parisc is see pa-risc |
| 17:26.13 | abrotman | !pa-risc |
| 17:26.13 | dpkg | hmm... pa-risc is http://www.parisc-linux.org |
| 17:26.15 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 17:26.15 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 17:26.19 | abrotman | !s390 |
| 17:26.19 | dpkg | well, s390 is an IBM mainframe architecture, or now known as z series |
| 17:26.47 | abrotman | and i believe it depends on the age of the RS6000 as to what CPU it uses |
| 17:26.57 | stew | !s390 is also http://lists.debian.org/debian-s390 |
| 17:26.57 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 17:27.13 | abrotman | i thnk there's a #parisc . not sure though |
| 17:27.17 | stew | though hopefully there is nobody that owns a s390 who isn't capable of finding that list themselves :) |
| 17:27.18 | Eulex | dn3 & abrotman, sorry, I seem to be mistaken |
| 17:27.27 | abrotman | Eulex: about what? |
| 17:27.49 | abrotman | Eulex: about as400 ? |
| 17:28.03 | dn3 | abrotman: sorry if i speak at wrong channel |
| 17:28.06 | itguy | dvs:i apt-ge install xchat |
| 17:28.10 | itguy | dv |
| 17:28.23 | itguy | and i get 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 727 not upgraded |
| 17:28.38 | itguy | but when i type xchat nothing happen |
| 17:28.39 | abrotman | dn3: no .. it's just that those are very specific architectures .. i know someone who has a pa-risc running debian .. and a sparc .. and i do alpha . but that's about it |
| 17:28.39 | Eulex | abrotman, yes. there was something else with some proprietary os that couldn't run debian, but it wasn't as400. |
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| 17:28.55 | abrotman | Eulex: uhm .. i think you were right |
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| 17:29.20 | abrotman | Eulex: debian runs on zSeries .. |
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| 17:29.35 | abrotman | Eulex: i don't think it will install to an iSeries |
| 17:29.44 | Eulex | abrotman, ah, ok |
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| 17:30.19 | Covener | abrotman: ppc linux in general definitely on iSeries -- specific installer at any givem time is probably a bit of a crapshoot |
| 17:30.20 | abrotman | Eulex: ask Covener or dn3 if they know more |
| 17:30.32 | abrotman | Covener: i thought it only worked on pSeries |
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| 17:30.58 | Naz_ | anyone know what ident server this server uses for irc? |
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| 17:31.30 | Naz_ | anyone know how to use ident2? |
| 17:31.48 | abrotman | Covener: no? |
| 17:31.52 | Covener | the two platforms are extremely similiar these days, and even releases as old as SLES8 support iSeries |
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| 17:32.28 | Covener | abrotman: the same sexy stuff runnign aix and linux on seperate LPARS on a pSeries box can be done in iSeries |
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| 17:32.53 | abrotman | Covener: pSeries is the Power5 series .. i thought they only ran AIX and Linux |
| 17:33.12 | dn3 | abrotman i have alpha too |
| 17:33.17 | twobitsprit1 | I'm trying to compile the vim7 CVS tree, and configure complains that I don't have ncurses installed, but I have libncurses4 installed...? |
| 17:33.27 | abrotman | dn3: make sure you install popcon on all your debian machines |
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| 17:33.31 | Eulex | twobitsprit1, you need the dev library |
| 17:33.35 | twobitsprit1 | ahh |
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| 17:33.39 | Eulex | *package |
| 17:33.44 | abrotman | dn3: if you're willing to make them public .. maybe DDs could use them for porting ? |
| 17:33.45 | Sunnan | hi; is it possible to install debian on a computer without deleting /home even if it's all on a single partition? the disk is formatted ext3, the computer is currently running ubuntu 5.10 but I want to sidegrade to debian sarge, preferably starting as clean as possible (wiping everything but the /home folders). |
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| 17:33.55 | abrotman | dn3: or buildd |
| 17:34.17 | dn3 | abrotman: i think i can share em via vpn |
| 17:34.30 | Covener | abrotman: iSeries runs ppc linux, aix, and os/400 directly on the hypervisor --as close as any OS gets to the iron. |
| 17:34.34 | abrotman | dn3: i would suggest contacting each architecture list .. see if they would want help |
| 17:35.02 | abrotman | Covener: zSeries is S/390 |
| 17:35.05 | Covener | abrotman: then they also take some blade-like module that allows you to run ia32 linux and even windows (like those Sun PCI cards w/ the little celeron CPU and ram) |
| 17:35.25 | abrotman | hehe .. Co-PC card .. those things sucked |
| 17:35.36 | Covener | abrotman: Right, and zSeries allows a few different OS'es to touch the bare iron, and supports z/OS and z/Linux running under things like z/vm |
| 17:35.52 | xor | is there around a well done source.list? |
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| 17:35.52 | Covener | (i'm not mistaking iSeries with any of the other platforms) |
| 17:35.53 | ocp | stew, thankx a lot for your help |
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| 17:36.09 | wols | xor: just run apt-setup |
| 17:36.21 | abrotman | Covener: i just knew linux worked on x/p/z .. wasn't aware it also worked on i |
| 17:36.26 | xor | ah k mate thanks |
| 17:36.42 | WB|stpe | xor: which packets are you looking for? |
| 17:36.49 | yggdrasil | is there a way to copy a file (in cmd) and have it show me a progress graph like in wget ? |
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| 17:37.05 | xor | WB|stpe: trying to upgrade stable to testing |
| 17:37.07 | Covener | abrotman: i should qualify that my day job is development and maintenance of the IBM HTTP Server, commercial derivative of apache |
| 17:37.40 | WB|stpe | xor: just replace stable with testing, run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ;) |
| 17:37.42 | abrotman | Covener: i've got a bone to pick with you! |
| 17:37.43 | Naz_ | anyone use ident2? |
| 17:37.50 | Naz_ | for Ircd I mean |
| 17:38.00 | Covener | yggdrasil: there's a kludge called 'pv' that shows you how much data is flowing throug a pipe, but you'd have to use something other then cp probably |
| 17:38.01 | abrotman | Covener: i really wasn't aware it would work on the iSeries .. oh well |
| 17:38.13 | Covener | abrotman: i think it's wildly unpopular |
| 17:38.21 | Covener | abrotman: i think it's a freebie from getting AIX running in an LPAR |
| 17:38.32 | abrotman | Covener: the last IBM software product i really used was .. HoD .. like 6.1 or something |
| 17:38.34 | Covener | abrotman: (and uniting the underlying hardware) |
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| 17:38.42 | Covener | My roomie works for them |
| 17:38.46 | yggdrasil | hmmm intersting |
| 17:39.01 | yggdrasil | i like that thing in wget its cool lookin |
| 17:39.01 | Covener | that's the web/applet based 3270 stuff, right? |
| 17:39.01 | wols | Covener: iSeries is that COBOL hardware right? so why are you surprised it's unpopular? |
| 17:39.02 | abrotman | Covener: i got to do the servers .. co-worker spent weeks mucking with the libraries |
| 17:39.14 | abrotman | Covener: at that time it was java applets that got loaded into a term emu |
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| 17:39.52 | abrotman | Covener: i think with 7.x they switched to webpage stuff .. but i don't remember |
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| 17:40.18 | Covener | abrotman: I think other IBM'ers outside of HOD are using the HOD libraries w/ standard JSPs to like re-create the green screens |
| 17:40.29 | abrotman | Covener: that's what we did |
| 17:40.41 | abrotman | Covener: wait .. no .. we used the green screen emu |
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| 17:41.00 | abrotman | Covener: loaded applets to scrape the screen |
| 17:41.05 | octan | hello people.. i dont the netinstall.. now.. whats the name for X? apt-get install X or xorg dosent seem to be the correct name |
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| 17:41.09 | abrotman | and then dump to an oracle DB |
| 17:41.12 | octan | *i done |
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| 17:41.18 | Covener | abrotman: yeah apparently however you define the fields on the green screen, the servlets can parse that and create HTML widgets and do the translation server-side with the HOD libs |
| 17:41.22 | abrotman | octan: gnome or kde / |
| 17:41.23 | abrotman | ? |
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| 17:41.33 | abrotman | Covener: that wasn't available when we did the project .. |
| 17:41.40 | octan | i did kde.. but it complians about missing X |
| 17:41.53 | abrotman | octan: apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system |
| 17:42.21 | octan | thxz D |
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| 17:43.04 | octan | why isnt it called X.. much easyer that way :P |
| 17:43.34 | dn3 | octan : you have something like "apt-cache search something" like xfree etc |
| 17:43.35 | limpio | octan, install x-window-system or x-window-system-core |
| 17:43.44 | abrotman | octan: to make you come here and introduce yourself :) |
| 17:43.51 | abrotman | !tell octan about search |
| 17:43.58 | octan | abrotman: lol |
| 17:43.59 | abrotman | mdadmReallyBlows: and swallows? |
| 17:44.08 | WB|stpe | *g* |
| 17:44.48 | mdadmReallyBlows | abrotman: ;-) guess not. |
| 17:44.51 | cheal | octan: you might notice that there are only 52 variations of the English alphabet with capitalization while there are over 10000 binary packages in Debian |
| 17:45.18 | abrotman | Covener: is only development at your group? |
| 17:45.43 | Covener | abrotman: development and level 3 support |
| 17:46.04 | tarzeau | Eulex: ro telnet trick? yeah |
| 17:46.06 | abrotman | Covener: i have a friend from college .. works for IBM .. but he's a software consultant and spends a lot of time on the road |
| 17:46.09 | tarzeau | raf256: ? |
| 17:46.16 | Covener | wols: you'd think a 64-way power5+ box that runs ppclinux and aix is good for a little more then COBOL |
| 17:46.37 | abrotman | not much |
| 17:46.39 | abrotman | :) |
| 17:47.15 | Covener | abrotman: i think there's a lot of consultants that deal heavily with IHS running application servers for customers -- what does he do? |
| 17:47.25 | abrotman | Covener: where's my RPG interpreter for linux?!?!?! |
| 17:47.34 | wols | well, it probably needs all those CPUs to make head and tails of a COBOL program. that's ym guess anyways :P |
| 17:48.07 | abrotman | cobol isn't that bad |
| 17:48.09 | Eulex | tarzeau, I'd like to know how to do it too :) |
| 17:48.10 | dn3 | abrotman: new Power5 with 2 x 1,5GHz have 2 x 1450Watts power suppl :) |
| 17:48.19 | abrotman | dn3: i think you have too much money |
| 17:48.22 | Covener | Even a 2-way iSeries for like $10k with fully virtualized/workload managed cpu and disk isn't too unreasonable |
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| 17:49.08 | dn3 | abrotman: nope, i will buy p5 in 2017:) |
| 17:49.35 | Covener | abrotman: apparently on MVS/390 mod_rexx is pretty popular |
| 17:49.44 | dn3 | covener: if you say iSeries you mean AS/400 ? |
| 17:49.51 | abrotman | Covener: for RPG? |
| 17:49.57 | Covener | abrotman: no, for rexx |
| 17:50.05 | Covener | abrotman: (close enough in my book) |
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| 17:50.18 | abrotman | Covener: no .. i had an RPG class in Uni ... easier than COBOL imo |
| 17:50.20 | Covener | dn3: I mean the hardware IBM formerly calls as/400 currently iSeries |
| 17:50.57 | Covener | abrotman: I dodged that bullet thankfully, it was dropped from my curriculum. We did get to do asm and cobol on a mainframe though |
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| 17:51.10 | dn3 | covener: to mine as/400 i didnt know yet how to connect :) i dont have a serial port or anything i know before :) |
| 17:51.17 | abrotman | Covener: eww :) |
| 17:51.24 | abrotman | Covener: my cobol was on aix |
| 17:51.27 | tarzeau | Eulex: check nethackd at www.linuks.mine.nu/nethack/ |
| 17:51.46 | Covener | abrotman: it landed me a coop with IBM server group though, working on DFS/zFS file services for 390 |
| 17:51.46 | tarzeau | Eulex: telnet linuks.mine.nu is even a simpler one, cat sources.list, there's also something on port 65535 i think |
| 17:52.12 | abrotman | Covener: i guess that's ok then .. leads to a decent job ... it makes it worth it |
| 17:52.58 | Eulex | tarzeau, ok, ty :) |
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| 17:53.27 | Ts0p | how do i check what version of debian i have? |
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| 17:55.03 | nkuttler | Ts0p: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 17:55.44 | yang | when i type netstat on my server it hangs, and displays something after 5 min. what could be the reason? |
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| 17:56.12 | tarzeau | yang: dns, try with -n |
| 17:56.23 | humbletech99_hom | I'm getting "Couldn't openn RGB_DB 'usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb'" on my new debian install when I fire up xorg. How do i fix this? |
| 17:56.54 | humbletech99_hom | yang: what does top show? is the server loaded? |
| 17:57.09 | yang | netstat -n was fast |
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| 17:57.31 | tarzeau | yang: that's because -n says don't resolve |
| 17:57.41 | bpuzon | Hello... Is there any way I can state if anything installed in the system depends on a packet? |
| 17:57.43 | Fox_1_ | how can i change a file encoding??? |
| 17:57.47 | tarzeau | humbletech99_hom: it's really just dns |
| 17:57.51 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: using recode |
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| 17:58.09 | dn3 | yang if you need true information you should use lsof like ' lsof -n -i TCP ' |
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| 17:59.29 | tnks | hi. I've been using apt-listbugs with "testing". Today it seems to be acting up. Has anyone else observed something wrong with apt-listbugs? |
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| 18:00.18 | fluxdude2 | why is xorg so annoying, I installed it via apt-get, everything + all dependencies should just work, so why do I get the RGB_DB error above? |
| 18:00.22 | abrotman | dn3: did you contact the mailing lists? |
| 18:00.30 | abrotman | fluxdude2: did you check the BTS? |
| 18:00.42 | WB|stpe | bpuzon: with dpkg -S you get the packet of a file / with apt-cache show you can lookup the depends |
| 18:01.16 | fluxdude2 | abrotman: what's the BTS? |
| 18:01.19 | blondie | OMG debian box kernel panicked :( |
| 18:01.23 | abrotman | !btssmite fluxdude2 |
| 18:01.25 | blondie | never done that before |
| 18:01.40 | fluxdude2 | huh? |
| 18:02.33 | dn3 | abrotman: not yet |
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| 18:02.54 | dn3 | i need to register i cant send msgs |
| 18:03.14 | bpuzon | WB|stpe I know, but I wondered if there is any utility that can purge a packet and all e.g. libraries that are unnecessary since the packet is gone |
| 18:03.36 | \amethyst | bpuzon: if you use aptitude to install the package, aptitude will do that on removal |
| 18:03.47 | \amethyst | except it only removes them, not purge |
| 18:03.49 | basix | hi people. i have debian server running CUPS. i have configured my windows machines to access the printer through IPP. Now the problem is that when the server is switched off, the apps using the printer on the client machines (eg. Ms.Word) "hang" when any printer related dialogue box is opened (eg. page setup). But after a timeout of about 1-2mins, they recover after they find that the server is down and perform normally. Any way to solve this problem on th |
| 18:03.49 | basix | e server side? |
| 18:04.21 | bpuzon | \amethyst thx |
| 18:04.56 | bpuzon | \amethyst has synaptic the same feature? |
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| 18:05.32 | \amethyst | bpuzon: not sure, I don't use it |
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| 18:07.20 | Fox_1_ | and how can i get the file encoding?? |
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| 18:08.41 | pedrolo | hi |
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| 18:09.02 | pedrolo | minilinux on USB ¿do you know? |
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| 18:09.23 | blondie | don't use your silly upside-down ?s here! |
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| 18:10.56 | thingfish | someone's got her claws out. |
| 18:11.01 | \amethyst | blondie: what about interrobang∠|
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| 18:11.32 | \amethyst | Actually, I guess ‽ is interrobang |
| 18:11.36 | blondie | the what? |
| 18:11.49 | blondie | thingfish: who's that? |
| 18:11.51 | \amethyst | unicode punctuation :) |
| 18:11.59 | plugwash | apt-get on my etch system wants to remove hotplug as part of installing an upgraded kernel is this expected and is it likely to break anything? |
| 18:12.48 | atrus | is there any way to view a package's changelog currently without installing it? |
| 18:12.53 | cheal | plugwash: it's expected |
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| 18:13.03 | Daemon666 | anyone know what this means please...... You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1' at line 5 |
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| 18:13.24 | atrus | ideally without downloading the entire package |
| 18:13.33 | abrotman | plugwash: it may break something .. but it's expected |
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| 18:13.39 | abrotman | lag!!!!!!! |
| 18:13.42 | homekneet | cups/firefox question. When printing from firefox 1.5 to CUPS printer (windows shared HP1015 - configuration in firefox shows iso-a4) I get an error "Page size not supported". Howver - CUPS is configured a4 too (visible via localhost:631) and can print test pages just fine from the CUPS web gui. |
| 18:13.43 | \amethyst | atrus: normally, packages.debian.org, but that's down, so pdo.debian.net |
| 18:14.24 | atrus | \amethyst: tried that. i just get 404's whenever i try to see a changelog there tho |
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| 18:14.32 | \amethyst | atrus: at pdo.debian.net ? |
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| 18:14.36 | \amethyst | ah |
| 18:14.38 | \amethyst | I see |
| 18:14.55 | Naz_ | hey |
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| 18:15.18 | Naz_ | Is there anyway to turn on Ident on ircd-ircu? |
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| 18:15.59 | \amethyst | atrus: not sure then |
| 18:16.10 | plugwash | Naz_ hmm i thought ircu did ident by default |
| 18:16.43 | Naz_ | I mean to turn it off |
| 18:16.49 | StyXman | anyone using the sis driver of etch's xorg with a sis 300/305? here it never shows up nothing and I loose video at all. I need to reboot the machine to go back to the vt's. now I'm using the vesa driver, but it sucks in speed. any hints? |
| 18:16.49 | Naz_ | how can I turn it off |
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| 18:16.59 | Naz_ | Sorry. |
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| 18:17.23 | Naz_ | What config files should I edit to turn Ident off? |
| 18:17.25 | nuxil | where do i find all the good repos :P |
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| 18:17.33 | Naz_ | For ircd-ircu. |
| 18:17.38 | StyXman | nuxil: www.apt-get.org |
| 18:17.46 | nuxil | thxz |
| 18:17.52 | jfs | Daemon666: you're a funny one. it means You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1' at line 5 |
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| 18:18.35 | plugwash | naz /etc/ircd/ircd.conf by the looks of things |
| 18:18.37 | \amethyst | Daemon666: do you know what SQL is? |
| 18:18.41 | Naz_ | Are there any arguments in the init.d file I should edit? |
| 18:18.46 | plugwash | though i can't say i've ever used a debian packaged version |
| 18:18.47 | Naz_ | ok |
| 18:18.48 | Daemon666 | database |
| 18:18.59 | Xteven | hello, when compiling a kernel and initrd with make-kpkg --initrd, how can I specify what modules should go in the initrd if I'm not root ? |
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| 18:19.18 | nkuttler | Daemon666: sql is a language |
| 18:19.24 | Naz_ | what line(s) should I edit in ircd.conf? |
| 18:19.33 | Daemon666 | ive found the problem, the database is being imported from a newer version of mysql |
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| 18:19.38 | Daemon666 | just dont know how to fix it |
| 18:19.59 | nkuttler | Daemon666: how did you export it? you can probably add some compatibility flags to that step |
| 18:20.03 | WB|stpe | Daemon666: downgrading is always dangeroues |
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| 18:20.49 | Daemon666 | nkuttler - i exported it with a program, can u give me the propper command to export it and i'll do it again? |
| 18:20.54 | astronut | does photoshop run in wine/cxoffice? |
| 18:20.56 | \amethyst | Daemon666: when you generate the dump, --compatible=mysql40 or mysql323 or something |
| 18:21.25 | nkuttler | Daemon666: man 'a program' or what \amethyst said |
| 18:21.45 | Daemon666 | how do i check what version of mysql server im running? |
| 18:22.32 | \amethyst | Daemon666: dpkg -l mysql-server |
| 18:22.33 | WB|stpe | Daemon666: e.g. $ mysql |
| 18:23.29 | StyXman | Naz_: try to read and understand the conffile as it is. if not, try reading its manpage |
| 18:23.40 | Naz_ | ok |
| 18:23.56 | Daemon666 | ok the database is being exported from 4.1.15-1 and im trying to import it to version 4.0.24-10 |
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| 18:24.26 | WB|stpe | Daemon666: \amethyst Daemon666: when you generate the dump, --compatible=mysql40 |
| 18:24.36 | WB|stpe | ... |
| 18:24.39 | AKX | Aight, what software could I use to make a security check (file permissions etc.)? |
| 18:24.43 | Naz_ | where is the ircd documentation drectory? |
| 18:24.46 | Daemon666 | whats the full command to generate the dump please WB|stpe ? |
| 18:24.55 | Daemon666 | i used a program before |
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| 18:25.03 | nkuttler | Naz_: /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 18:25.08 | \amethyst | Daemon666: man mysqldump |
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| 18:25.21 | \amethyst | Daemon666: I don't use mysql myself, I prefer Postgres |
| 18:25.49 | WB|stpe | mysqldump --compatible=mysql40 dbname >dumpfilename |
| 18:26.15 | Daemon666 | thanks |
| 18:26.57 | ke6isf | AKX: What kind of security check are you looking to make? |
| 18:27.56 | Daemon666 | WB|stpe - i just get an error saying im not using a password but doesnt prompt me to enter one |
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| 18:28.12 | \amethyst | AKX: you want want to look at the dependencies of harden-environment |
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| 18:28.23 | chou-chou | so add in the -p flag or moreso do a -u user -p |
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| 18:28.31 | WB|stpe | Daemon666: just add "-u username -p" to your mysqldump |
| 18:28.34 | Xteven | am I correct in assuming that make-kpkg --initrd makes use of /etc/mkinitrd/modules.conf ? |
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| 18:28.48 | \amethyst | AKX: checksecurity seems to do what you ask about, and there are other things like tripwire and samhain that may help |
| 18:30.03 | \amethyst | Xteven: it calls mkinitrd, so yes |
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| 18:30.19 | Xteven | is there a way to use another file ? |
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| 18:31.01 | plugwash | is it correct that apt-get wants to remove base-config to upgrade locales? |
| 18:31.06 | plugwash | seems pretty strange to me |
| 18:31.17 | levak | hey... I upgrades testing today and I have problems with login. All users get can't find username for UID XXXX |
| 18:31.29 | levak | anyone experienced that? |
| 18:31.37 | \amethyst | plugwash: base-config has been replaced |
| 18:31.55 | WB|stpe | \amethyst: replaced by what? |
| 18:31.59 | Daemon666 | WB|stpe - thank you so much, it's working perfectly now |
| 18:31.59 | \amethyst | locales |
| 18:32.09 | WB|stpe | thx |
| 18:32.58 | \amethyst | and debian-edu-install and belocs-locales-bin |
| 18:33.09 | \amethyst | though locales should be enough |
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| 18:33.32 | levak | hey... I upgrades testing today and I have problems with login. All users get can't find username for UID XXXX... I also get bash: /etc/bash.bashrc: Permission denied but permissions are 644... IT looks strange |
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| 18:34.14 | \amethyst | levak: does /etc/password exist, and is it readable? |
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| 18:34.50 | levak | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.00 | WB|stpe | levak: getent passwd |
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| 18:36.00 | levak | WB¦stripe: I get the list of what is in the passwd file |
| 18:36.08 | \amethyst | hm |
| 18:36.21 | \amethyst | heh |
| 18:36.25 | levak | i searched the google but found nothing |
| 18:36.29 | \amethyst | you make people type the wrong character |
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| 18:36.53 | levak | :) |
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| 18:37.26 | levak | hum |
| 18:37.29 | yggrdasil | hello getns |
| 18:37.32 | levak | I reinstalled glibc |
| 18:37.36 | Naz_ | is there a channel for ircu? |
| 18:37.41 | levak | and now it partialy works |
| 18:37.46 | levak | i can login |
| 18:37.46 | yggrdasil | can somone tell me how to start vncserver on the desktop thats on my screen? |
| 18:37.48 | levak | i get the username |
| 18:38.00 | levak | but I still get bash: /etc/bash.bashrc: Permission denied |
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| 18:38.24 | ladin | how do i set xdcc auto get in xchat? |
| 18:38.32 | wbstpe | levak: had a similar problem some month ago. someone (rootkit :( ) changed root-permissions |
| 18:38.50 | \amethyst | levak: are / and /etc both 755? |
| 18:38.53 | levak | wbstpe: strange.. everything worked yesterday before upgrade |
| 18:39.03 | levak | CRAP! |
| 18:39.11 | levak | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.13 | \amethyst | aha |
| 18:39.13 | levak | wtf? |
| 18:39.35 | levak | :( |
| 18:39.38 | abrotman | levak: WHY?! |
| 18:39.39 | levak | now i feel stupid:) |
| 18:39.51 | levak | abrotman: I have no idea.... |
| 18:39.59 | levak | abrotman: I did not set it in that mode |
| 18:39.59 | \amethyst | levak: debsums procps |
| 18:40.03 | yggrdasil | can somone tell me how to start vncserver on the desktop thats on my screen? tightvncserver |
| 18:40.17 | \amethyst | levak: just to make sure your /bin/ps hasn't been replaced, which would be a good sign of a rootkit |
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| 18:40.28 | levak | I will check |
| 18:40.30 | levak | just a sec |
| 18:40.31 | nuxil | guys im trying to install mplayer,, but i get this message |
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| 18:40.33 | nuxil | Depends: libaa1 (>=1.2) but it is not installable |
| 18:40.39 | nuxil | ++ alot more |
| 18:40.46 | levak | \amethyst: thanks for the idea:) |
| 18:40.53 | nuxil | anyideas? |
| 18:41.38 | \amethyst | nuxil: get the source package and build it yourself? |
| 18:41.42 | abrotman | nuxil: what versino of debian? |
| 18:41.50 | levak | \amethyst: nop, everything OK:) |
| 18:41.57 | \amethyst | levak: net-tools too |
| 18:41.57 | levak | \amethyst: that you 1000x times |
| 18:42.05 | \amethyst | levak: just in case (that package has netstat) |
| 18:42.10 | nuxil | sarge |
| 18:42.11 | levak | neat |
| 18:42.14 | levak | all OK too |
| 18:42.17 | levak | U rox:P |
| 18:42.21 | nuxil | abrotman sagre |
| 18:42.25 | levak | well.... gotta start KDE now:P |
| 18:42.29 | levak | l8er ppl |
| 18:42.30 | abrotman | !info libaa1 sarge |
| 18:42.31 | \amethyst | levak: gl |
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| 18:42.45 | \amethyst | sarge has aalib1 |
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| 18:42.51 | nuxil | hmm |
| 18:42.52 | guillemot_ | hi! |
| 18:42.55 | \amethyst | nuxil: the package you found isn't for sarge |
| 18:42.56 | guillemot_ | anyone running the xorg packages in experimental? |
| 18:43.09 | nuxil | ic |
| 18:43.19 | abrotman | nuxil: did you use marillat's packages for sarge? |
| 18:43.32 | nuxil | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
| 18:43.35 | astronut | guillemot_: i think they just became ful |
| 18:43.35 | hcy | hi, after doing an apt-get upgrade, when I log into gdm it gives me an error that one of the commands in the startup script is invalid and therefore it's using the default command. can someone tell me where this script is so I can look at it and figure out the problem? |
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| 18:43.49 | astronut | hcy: /usr/share/gdm i think |
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| 18:43.54 | astronut | could be wrong |
| 18:44.01 | nuxil | i got that repo from http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php |
| 18:44.05 | yoio | hello... who knows what meaning have the names of some nodes... like t2a4-ge5-0.de-fra.eu.bt.net t2c2-p3-0.uk-glo.eu.bt.net ? |
| 18:44.06 | guillemot | ful? |
| 18:44.08 | hcy | astronut: thanks, i'll look |
| 18:44.19 | astronut | maybe not |
| 18:44.26 | abrotman | yoio: how is that related to debian? |
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| 18:44.44 | astronut | hcy: actually, try /etc/gdm i htink |
| 18:44.49 | guillemot | astronut: what does ful mean? |
| 18:44.50 | yoio | it isn`t but i`m courius |
| 18:44.58 | hcy | astronut: yeah, i didn't see it in /usr/share/gdm |
| 18:45.05 | astronut | hcy: dpkg -L gdm |
| 18:45.10 | \amethyst | yoio: depends on the authority naming them :) |
| 18:45.12 | abrotman | yoio: they're just hostnames |
| 18:45.14 | nuxil | abrotman any ideas? |
| 18:45.16 | astronut | guillemot: huh? |
| 18:45.23 | astronut | oh, sorry |
| 18:45.27 | guillemot | you said that |
| 18:45.29 | astronut | fully functional |
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| 18:45.33 | astronut | i lost my train of thought |
| 18:45.34 | abrotman | nuxil: yeah .. use the packagse for sarge from marillat |
| 18:46.10 | guillemot | astronut: I was under that impression also, it's not from what I can tell. |
| 18:46.22 | hcy | astronut: thanks. |
| 18:46.24 | \amethyst | yoio: Im guessing the de-fra one goes somewhere in Germany, and the uk-glo one is in gloucester |
| 18:46.40 | astronut | hcy: might be more in NEW |
| 18:46.48 | astronut | errr, guillemot |
| 18:46.54 | astronut | ask gravity when he signs on |
| 18:46.59 | nuxil | abrotman oh i see i had 2 repos im my sourcelist one fro sarge and one for etch |
| 18:47.01 | \amethyst | yoio: or perhaps it means they're border routers that talk to routers in those places |
| 18:47.06 | abrotman | nuxil: that'll do it |
| 18:47.09 | nuxil | :) fixed |
| 18:47.20 | abrotman | nuxil: good .. have fun! :) |
| 18:47.30 | nuxil | :) yea.. i will |
| 18:47.32 | nuxil | thxz |
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| 18:49.33 | Naz_ | hey |
| 18:49.47 | Naz_ | can anyone help me turn off ident on ircu? |
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| 18:50.15 | \amethyst | Naz_: perhaps someone on undernet could help? |
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| 18:50.23 | \amethyst | Naz_: that's the undernet ircd, right? |
| 18:50.32 | Naz_ | yeah |
| 18:50.42 | Naz_ | whats the irc for undernet? |
| 18:50.51 | blondie | ERROR |
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| 18:51.08 | \amethyst | !undernet |
| 18:51.08 | dpkg | well, undernet is underrated. chicago.il.us.undernet.org, stlouis.mo.us.undernet.org |
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| 18:52.15 | epitron | is there a way to tell what program has file handles open on a drive so i can kill the program and umount the drive? |
| 18:52.23 | wbstpe | lsof |
| 18:52.31 | epitron | is there a better way? :) |
| 18:52.33 | \amethyst | epitron: fuser or lsof |
| 18:52.39 | deadcat | how do i tell at to run something "at 3 minutes from now" ? i forgot the format.. |
| 18:52.42 | epitron | actually, maybe i just don't know how to use lsof |
| 18:52.42 | abrotman | heh .. i forgot i put Naz_ on ignore .. it's been so quiet :) |
| 18:52.48 | epitron | how can you show all handles for a specific drive using lsof? |
| 18:52.56 | astronut | epitron: lsof | grep mountpoint |
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| 18:53.03 | blondie | rtfm |
| 18:53.30 | deadcat | damn... at now + 1 minutes |
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| 18:53.50 | deadcat | damn. now i forgot what to do at 3 min from now )= |
| 18:54.03 | epitron | astronut: that doesn't give me anything, i tried that already |
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| 18:54.12 | epitron | astronut: it APPEARS that nothing is using it |
| 18:54.13 | astronut | lsof | grep mountpoint | awk '{print $1}' | uniq |
| 18:54.24 | astronut | make sure to run lsof as root |
| 18:54.26 | blondie | epitron: well then |
| 18:54.28 | epitron | yep, i did |
| 18:54.29 | blondie | umount -l |
| 18:54.33 | Z_God | with current Debian Etch, KDE takes minutes to start over here |
| 18:54.34 | blondie | -l ftw |
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| 18:54.38 | Z_God | any idea what is wrong? |
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| 18:54.46 | blondie | that usually works |
| 18:54.47 | resiak | You're using KDDE? |
| 18:54.51 | resiak | </pred> |
| 18:54.53 | stew | Z_God: ask #debian-kde |
| 18:54.53 | epitron | ok, thanks guys. |
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| 18:54.57 | Z_God | k, thx :) |
| 18:55.03 | \amethyst | epitron: lsof +d /mount/point |
| 18:55.17 | Zitter | any know bug with kernel2.6.15 and reiserfs in sid? |
| 18:55.28 | resiak | Zitter: Checked the bts? |
| 18:55.37 | Zitter | bts? |
| 18:55.40 | astronut | Zitter: try #debian-kernel (i think they're mainly on oftc not freenode) |
| 18:55.41 | resiak | !btssmite Zitter |
| 18:55.46 | astronut | Zitter: bug tracking system |
| 18:55.52 | Zitter | ops, soory |
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| 18:56.02 | wip_ | h all |
| 18:56.04 | wip_ | hi |
| 18:56.12 | astronut | is there a !sidsmite? |
| 18:56.15 | astronut | !sidsmite resiak |
| 18:56.23 | astronut | apparently so |
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| 18:56.57 | resiak | !smitesmite astronut |
| 18:57.19 | astronut | any way to get a list of all keys using the term 'smite'? |
| 18:57.20 | wip_ | should i install xfont-75-dpi? i've only installed xfont-base |
| 18:57.27 | wip_ | some application doesn't look good |
| 18:57.37 | wip_ | or maybe i should install 100-dpi? |
| 18:57.44 | \amethyst | wip_: is your display closer to 100 or 75 DPI? |
| 18:57.45 | resiak | astronut: /msg dpkg my factoids |
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| 18:58.07 | wip_ | \amethyst, hi! i don't know, i have 1280x1024 resolution |
| 18:58.18 | \amethyst | wip_: how big is your monitor, physically |
| 18:58.19 | \amethyst | ? |
| 18:58.25 | wip_ | \amethyst, 19" |
| 18:58.44 | \amethyst | wip_: really-19" LCD, or 18"-viewable CRT? |
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| 18:58.56 | \amethyst | resiak: both. And its a lambda |
| 18:58.59 | wip_ | \amethyst, i'm not rich :) 18" CRT!@ |
| 18:59.04 | blondie | backslashes are for windows users! |
| 18:59.17 | resiak | \amethyst: Haskeller? |
| 18:59.26 | \amethyst | resiak: a little :) |
| 18:59.32 | plugwash | how do i find out what has a file open? |
| 18:59.33 | resiak | \amethyst: \o/ |
| 18:59.35 | resiak | plugwash: lsof |
| 18:59.39 | \amethyst | plugwash: fuser, lsof |
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| 19:00.12 | treyh0 | how come i can't use -t [release] with apt-get source? it always pulls the newest available instead of the one from sarge like i want |
| 19:00.16 | treyh0 | :( |
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| 19:00.31 | wip_ | \amethyst, i'm not rich :) 18" CRT |
| 19:00.48 | \amethyst | wip_: your display is approx 85 DPI, so either font size would work. The 100DPI fonts will be bigger |
| 19:01.09 | wip_ | \amethyst, thank you 100 times :) |
| 19:01.15 | \amethyst | wip_: no reason other than miserliness not to get them both |
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| 19:01.35 | wbstpe | treyh0: put "APT::Default-Release stable;" to your apt.conf |
| 19:01.40 | \amethyst | blondie: backslashes are for escaping :) |
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| 19:01.54 | \amethyst | See, my nick is actually supposed to be pronounced <beep>methyst |
| 19:02.00 | \amethyst | If you used C you would know that :) |
| 19:02.04 | hecate355 | hi |
| 19:02.13 | Zitter | i've found... it's this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=351623 |
| 19:02.25 | hecate355 | what's the current "unstable" or "testing" version of Debian? and wich one should i take? |
| 19:02.32 | hecate355 | been pretty long since i last used it, dummified kinda |
| 19:02.35 | yggrdasil | hmm im wondering why xmms is nt playing anything |
| 19:02.38 | yggrdasil | its turned on and all |
| 19:02.40 | resiak | hecate355: You should use Sarge, which is stable |
| 19:02.41 | Zitter | now, my problem is... what I have to do? wait someone solves bug or reinstall everything? |
| 19:02.44 | yggrdasil | but im not getting any sound out of it |
| 19:02.50 | yggrdasil | all the lights are blinking |
| 19:02.52 | resiak | hecate355: Etch is testing, and Sid is always unstable |
| 19:02.52 | \amethyst | Zitter: you have the old kernel still, right? |
| 19:02.56 | hecate355 | resiak i used sarge once, when it was unstable, but isnt unstables better? |
| 19:03.04 | resiak | hecate355: Sarge was never unstable, and no |
| 19:03.06 | yggrdasil | is there some sort of test i can do to check if my sound config is right ? |
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| 19:03.07 | resiak | !tell hecate355 -about sid faq |
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| 19:03.23 | wbstpe | yggrdasil: play wavfile |
| 19:03.31 | Zitter | \amethyst, yes... but udev is not loaded causes it requires kernel>=2.6.15 |
| 19:03.44 | \amethyst | Zitter: so don't use the K7-compiled version |
| 19:03.46 | Zitter | (new version of udev) |
| 19:03.48 | wbstpe | yggrdasil: if you dont have "play": apt-get install sox |
| 19:04.01 | \amethyst | Zitter: or is that bug general? |
| 19:04.17 | Zitter | \amethyst, my version isn't k7... it's -1-686 (it's reported too) |
| 19:04.18 | resiak | \amethyst: udev is crack-ridden, and that,s "not a bug" |
| 19:04.37 | \amethyst | Zitter: Can you compile your own kernel? |
| 19:04.42 | hecate355 | resiak ok, but now i have 64bit processor, is there a 64bit Sarge? |
| 19:04.46 | \amethyst | Zitter: the BTS has a patch for it |
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| 19:04.51 | treyh0 | wbstpe: that doesn't change it, i have both stable and testing in my sources.list, and my preferences pin the stable as the priority, but every time i apt-get source, it pulls from testing |
| 19:04.55 | hecate355 | resiak sarge with kernel compitable with 64bit that is |
| 19:05.00 | AKX | Hmm, /home doesn't deserve write access, right? |
| 19:05.03 | treyh0 | wbstpe: adding APT::Default-Release with sarge or stable doesn't help :( |
| 19:05.07 | AKX | for "staff"? |
| 19:05.27 | \amethyst | AKX: depends on what you want to do with it |
| 19:05.28 | Zitter | \amethyst, in that page? ok, I will see |
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| 19:05.44 | \amethyst | AKX: Since you need root to adduser, root-write (or even no write) should be enough |
| 19:05.46 | yggrdasil | wbstpe ill try it |
| 19:05.50 | wbstpe | apt-get source stable/package? |
| 19:05.50 | AKX | well \amethyst, running the tiger security scan whines about it having staff write |
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| 19:06.30 | hecate355 | Is there a Sarge version including wich supports 64bit AMD Athlon 3200+? |
| 19:06.39 | \amethyst | AKX: so it's root.staff, 775? |
| 19:06.40 | blondie | drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4096 2006-01-08 14:18 /u1/home |
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| 19:06.44 | blondie | that's what you want for /home |
| 19:06.49 | hecate355 | And should i use it, and is it better than regular 32bit debian? |
| 19:07.00 | AKX | \amethyst, it's drwxr-sr-x 11 root staff atm |
| 19:07.06 | treyh0 | wbstpe: hm doesn't find the package... i may just have to add/remove the deb-src for testing on demand |
| 19:07.10 | \amethyst | AKX: is this Linux? |
| 19:07.15 | blondie | AKX: take off the sticky bit |
| 19:07.21 | AKX | \amethyst, yeah, Debian :) |
| 19:07.29 | \amethyst | AKX: did debian create /home ? |
| 19:07.30 | AKX | How do I take off the sticky bit? |
| 19:07.35 | AKX | Very probably |
| 19:07.40 | \amethyst | chmod g-s /home |
| 19:08.00 | \amethyst | Do you know what +s does on a directory? |
| 19:08.01 | AKX | drwxr-xr-x 11 root staff 4096 2006-02-25 20:12 home now |
| 19:08.02 | blondie | debian's retarded default is for world-readable home dirs |
| 19:08.07 | AKX | Nope, I don't. |
| 19:08.11 | \amethyst | chown it to root.root |
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| 19:08.21 | ath_ | hi :) |
| 19:08.24 | AKX | Done. |
| 19:08.25 | wols | blondie: dunno bout you but debian always asks me when I install about it |
| 19:08.32 | ath_ | i consider installing Debian Sarge now, as i've used it for years without problems. However i heared that other linux distros now work with a newly xorg windows system and debian sarge still doesn't. So do you ppl experience xorg as a big improvement? |
| 19:08.38 | blondie | it does ask, but the default answer is Yes |
| 19:08.44 | hecate355 | any debian and computer expert there who has few seconds to help me? |
| 19:08.47 | blondie | so if you just press Enter, you get them :) |
| 19:08.52 | \amethyst | blondie: I don't think that's retarded, though I see why many people don't want it |
| 19:08.53 | blondie | hecate355: just ask |
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| 19:09.05 | blondie | \amethyst: why isn't it retarded? |
| 19:09.10 | calamari | hi |
| 19:09.12 | hecate355 | blondie I have AMD Athlon 3200+ 64bit processor, wich Sarge installer i should use |
| 19:09.12 | wols | !tell hecate355 about anyone |
| 19:09.28 | blondie | hecate355: the x86 one probably |
| 19:09.31 | hecate355 | blondie does it even support 64bit processor? and what it improves...compared to 32bit? |
| 19:09.32 | xsdg | wols: tsaf :o) |
| 19:09.43 | wols | xsdg: ? |
| 19:09.44 | resiak | hecate355: You can install 32-bit Debian, and a 64-bit processor |
| 19:09.45 | blondie | yes it does support them |
| 19:09.50 | xsdg | wols: "wols".reverse :o) |
| 19:09.51 | resiak | erm, s/processor/kernel/ |
| 19:09.54 | calamari | how can I get a list of installed packages that need upgrading, from the command line? |
| 19:09.55 | wbstpe | treyh0: try apt-get install --target-release=sarge package |
| 19:10.03 | hecate355 | !troll |
| 19:10.03 | dpkg | troll is, like, http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html, or "one who is gaming the social dynamics of the list in order to warm his miniscule soul at the flames, not one who believes himself to be debating a point of significance (however ham-handedly)." (Michael K. Edwards) |
| 19:10.06 | blondie | the problem with the 64-bit stuff is lack of dirver suppot |
| 19:10.07 | Newck | why might postfix ignore a "mailbox_command = procmail" setting? |
| 19:10.10 | blondie | +spelling |
| 19:10.11 | resiak | !tell hecate355 -about amd64 |
| 19:10.13 | wols | xsdg: wrong. Look up "WOLS" on google. he was a painter |
| 19:10.32 | xsdg | wols: ::shrug:: was just a joke |
| 19:10.41 | \amethyst | blondie: maybe naive |
| 19:11.18 | \amethyst | blondie: there are situations where one wants public-readable homes. |
| 19:11.35 | blondie | \amethyst: sure, but I think the majority of cases wouldn't want them |
| 19:11.38 | \amethyst | Of course, it makes the most sense to leave it up to the users, which is what chmod is for |
| 19:11.39 | wols | Newck: it usually doesn't ignore settings. but ask in #postfix |
| 19:11.44 | Newck | wols: thankx |
| 19:11.48 | blondie | they should be closed by default |
| 19:12.01 | \amethyst | blondie: closed? |
| 19:12.04 | \amethyst | blondie: as in 700? |
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| 19:12.09 | blondie | yes |
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| 19:12.27 | \amethyst | ugh |
| 19:12.29 | \amethyst | at least 711 |
| 19:12.32 | blondie | no |
| 19:12.33 | blondie | no |
| 19:12.43 | \amethyst | I say this as a user, not an admin |
| 19:12.49 | blondie | I say it as both |
| 19:13.08 | blondie | data protection laws and stuff also have a bearing |
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| 19:13.11 | wols | \amethyst: why? |
| 19:13.24 | \amethyst | wols: public_html for one thing |
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| 19:13.43 | blondie | \amethyst: if people wnat that, they can change permissions themselves |
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| 19:13.57 | \amethyst | blondie: We have much weaker such laws over here :) |
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| 19:14.10 | blondie | how unusual :p |
| 19:14.18 | blondie | anyway, it's common sense to have them 700 imo |
| 19:14.51 | xsdg | bits are EWR = 124, right? |
| 19:14.57 | blondie | the person who's decision that is for the debian installer needs a slap |
| 19:15.05 | \amethyst | blondie: I'm used to working in 10-user labs where almost all the users need to share among themselves |
| 19:15.06 | blondie | +grammar |
| 19:15.25 | blondie | if you want to share files, you have common shared directories |
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| 19:15.27 | blondie | not your home dirs |
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| 19:16.18 | needlz_ | hello |
| 19:17.36 | abrotman | blondie: \amethyst there's an option for that when you install the machines |
| 19:17.53 | \amethyst | abrotman: blondie is arguing what the default should be |
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| 19:18.15 | abrotman | there is no default .. it let's you choose |
| 19:18.29 | \amethyst | abrotman: what happens if you just press <enter> |
| 19:18.30 | blondie | there IS a default |
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| 19:18.43 | blondie | the default is world-readable, as that's the selected option |
| 19:19.09 | abrotman | \amethyst: 700 i think |
| 19:19.29 | \amethyst | abrotman: blondie says it's 755 then |
| 19:19.37 | blondie | abrotman: wrong |
| 19:19.43 | \amethyst | So you two work that out between yourselves |
| 19:19.52 | \amethyst | Hey, anyone want to have a programming language flamewar? |
| 19:20.00 | blondie | the default is 755 |
| 19:20.11 | wbstpe | cpp |
| 19:20.12 | wbstpe | *g* |
| 19:20.21 | blondie | cpp isn't a programming language |
| 19:20.29 | needlz_ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 needlz users 4996622 Feb 25 17:22 somefile |
| 19:20.31 | abrotman | but ... but .. blondie is english! .. when is the last time an englishman was right? |
| 19:20.39 | needlz_ | does anyone know why i cant access this via apache? |
| 19:20.48 | needlz_ | i get "403 forbidden" |
| 19:20.51 | wbstpe | blondie: what do you prefer? java? |
| 19:20.55 | xsdg | needlz_: check the logfile? |
| 19:21.02 | wols | abrotman: blondie is a man now? poor old debiie, what's her new realname now? |
| 19:21.04 | \amethyst | needlz_: what about its ancestor directories? |
| 19:21.05 | blondie | wbstpe: no, I mean it's called C++ not cpp |
| 19:21.07 | xsdg | needlz_: likely it can't get to a directory above it, or there's a symlink in the way |
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| 19:21.17 | blondie | wols: blondie is the BAND, not the woman |
| 19:21.24 | abrotman | wols: i used englishman in a generic sense .. |
| 19:21.26 | wbstpe | blondie: plusplus is plusplus |
| 19:21.38 | blondie | it's called c++ not cpp |
| 19:21.45 | wols | blondie: sorry to hear about your MPD then ;) |
| 19:21.50 | needlz_ | ok |
| 19:21.51 | blondie | what? |
| 19:21.53 | needlz_ | ill check the logs |
| 19:22.01 | \amethyst | needlz_: all its ancestors need to be world-executabl |
| 19:22.03 | xsdg | blondie: "multiple personality disorder" probably |
| 19:22.04 | wols | multiple personality disorder |
| 19:22.23 | treyh0 | wbstpe: this works: apt-get source clamav='0.84-2.sarge.5' |
| 19:22.24 | treyh0 | :) |
| 19:22.27 | treyh0 | woooo :) |
| 19:22.30 | blondie | wols: how do you figure that out dear? |
| 19:22.50 | wols | a band is more than one person. you are only one person here (as is custom on irc) |
| 19:22.56 | wols | hence you must have MPD. easy |
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| 19:23.09 | wbstpe | treyh0: also tried that --target-release thing? |
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| 19:23.16 | treyh0 | wbstpe: yeah no go |
| 19:23.21 | wbstpe | mhh |
| 19:23.33 | treyh0 | i can use apt-get source package='version'; |
| 19:23.37 | treyh0 | thanks :) |
| 19:23.47 | wbstpe | np |
| 19:23.58 | blondie | wols: no, because I'm not that blondie |
| 19:24.11 | \amethyst | treyh0: yes, it's in the manpage |
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| 19:24.17 | blondie | wols: guess what, multiple things can have the same name! OMG |
| 19:24.26 | treyh0 | \amethyst: yeah i missed it earlier, that's what i just found out, i'm a noob :) |
| 19:24.29 | \amethyst | ah |
| 19:24.30 | \amethyst | sorry |
| 19:24.39 | wols | I'm sure she (or they?) will soon sue you for name infringement or whater. do it like I did: steal your nick from a dead person. less likely to sue |
| 19:24.44 | \amethyst | treyh0: you should read the manpage then |
| 19:24.48 | blondie | wols: uhuh |
| 19:24.51 | \amethyst | treyh0: and policy :) |
| 19:24.54 | \amethyst | religiously |
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| 19:25.21 | treyh0 | \amethyst: i did read the manpage but i have dyslexia so i miss things easy :) |
| 19:25.30 | treyh0 | but yeah i need to study the policy more |
| 19:26.21 | \amethyst | treyh0: screen reader if it's that much of a problem |
| 19:26.22 | \amethyst | while you sleep, of course |
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| 19:26.30 | wbstpe | mbrola helps reading :) |
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| 19:27.11 | disposable | how do i get rid of all older (than currently installed) packages in my /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 19:27.20 | treyh0 | ooh cool |
| 19:27.25 | treyh0 | disposable: apt-get clean, i think |
| 19:27.33 | cheal | disposable: look for clean in man apt-get |
| 19:27.40 | disposable | tnx |
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| 19:30.31 | homekneet | If you have cups up and running OK - do you need to keep Xprt going? Seems a bit redundant in concept - but maybe some apps need one and some the other? |
| 19:30.43 | disposable | treyh0 cheal: it's apt-get autoclean, thank you |
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| 19:33.00 | ec__ | Is there a way to purge configuration files for packages that have already been removed? |
| 19:33.10 | misha-strong | how do you check the kernel version via the console? |
| 19:33.21 | ec__ | uname -r |
| 19:33.40 | wols | ec__: dpkg --purge |
| 19:33.41 | misha-strong | thx |
| 19:33.55 | wbstpe | ec__: # for i in $(dpkg -l | grep ^rc | cut -f 3 -d " "); do dpkg --purge $i; done |
| 19:34.10 | wbstpe | ec__: then you get em all ;) |
| 19:34.10 | resiak | !purge them all |
| 19:34.11 | dpkg | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge, or do not complain if this deletes config files you still need |
| 19:34.14 | \amethyst | homekneet: some programs prefer xprint, which can see cups printers |
| 19:34.34 | \amethyst | homekneet: firefox, I believe, prefers xprint |
| 19:34.44 | ec__ | ok, thanks :) |
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| 19:35.48 | wbstpe | ec__: the bot is right: # COLUMNS=200 for i in $(dpkg -l | grep ^rc | cut -f 3 -d " "); do dpkg --purge $i; done |
| 19:36.10 | ec__ | wbstpe: is there an advatage to using $() in for statements as opposed to ``? |
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| 19:37.09 | homekneet | \amethyst: firefox does odd stuff. In the firefox dialog I see PDF@:64, HP1015@:64 and 200oP@:64 (which print but - with way way too large fonts), and CUPS/HP1015, CUPS/2000P and CUPS/PDF - which refuse to print - says paper size of iso-a4 not supported (although cups is configured for a4 and other apps print via cups to the printers just fine). |
| 19:37.28 | homekneet | Only apps with this issue - firefox and thunderbird |
| 19:37.48 | homekneet | On an aside - my thunderbird thinks that debian is a mis-spelling of lesbians |
| 19:39.10 | \amethyst | homekneet: hmm... you could try removing xprint and see if they work better, then |
| 19:39.12 | wbstpe | ec__: mhh - i only use $() in for-statements - never thought of using backticks there. must have tested it out initially and used it then |
| 19:39.24 | \amethyst | $() is bashism for `` |
| 19:39.26 | homekneet | \amethyst: I'll try stopping it - see what happens :) |
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| 19:39.41 | \amethyst | but plays better with quoting |
| 19:39.45 | usr13 | how to install package? |
| 19:39.57 | usr13 | dpkg packagename ? |
| 19:39.58 | deadcat | apt-get install package |
| 19:40.04 | usr13 | something like that? |
| 19:40.13 | deadcat | no |
| 19:40.35 | usr13 | deadcat: for a package that's already downloaded? |
| 19:40.39 | \amethyst | usr13: dpkg -i |
| 19:40.40 | deadcat | dpkg -i blah |
| 19:40.54 | dn3 | usr13 you can always use dselect |
| 19:41.09 | deadcat | usr13: if its possible always use apt-get or aptitude |
| 19:41.15 | usr13 | dpkg -i I think is what I'm looking for. |
| 19:41.16 | dn3 | usr13 its like sam or smit |
| 19:41.32 | usr13 | (I'm on the phone with a friend) (and he's calling the wrong person) |
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| 19:41.41 | usr13 | BUt I'm learning... |
| 19:41.51 | usr13 | I need to install DEBIAN :) |
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| 19:41.55 | dn3 | you have 3 commands |
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| 19:42.15 | dn3 | apt-cache search package-name or few words |
| 19:42.17 | wip_ | almost done 1 more question: i have an ati - what package do i need to download (a radeon 7000 something) |
| 19:42.17 | dn3 | apt-get install package-name |
| 19:42.21 | dn3 | or dpkg -i package-name |
| 19:42.32 | dn3 | or dpkg -l to list packages in your system |
| 19:42.44 | wip_ | dn3: nice! thanks |
| 19:42.49 | \amethyst | bah, aptitude install |
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| 19:43.12 | hecate355 | ok, i have windows xp running on my system, how to install debian on my second HDD partition? as it uses different HDD filesystem type? |
| 19:43.14 | \amethyst | that way you won't come back later asking how to autoremove its dependencies :) |
| 19:43.25 | hecate355 | eg. WinXP is FAT32 or NTFS and Linux uses something else? |
| 19:43.31 | hecate355 | does partitioning work? |
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| 19:43.34 | \amethyst | hecate355: yes |
| 19:43.35 | nkuttler | hecate355: yes. /msg dpkg ig |
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| 19:43.47 | usr13 | I think I got him going... Thanks everyone. |
| 19:43.57 | usr13 | I'll become a debian user yet! :) |
| 19:44.07 | \amethyst | usr13: what do you use? |
| 19:44.11 | hecate355 | Ok, one more question, how to get some "booting-program" so that you can switch wich OS you boot? |
| 19:44.15 | hecate355 | "boot-manager" or something? |
| 19:44.19 | \amethyst | hecate355: lilo or grub |
| 19:44.20 | wbstpe | grub |
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| 19:44.28 | hecate355 | wich one is better lilo or grub? |
| 19:44.32 | resiak | grub |
| 19:44.36 | \amethyst | hecate355: grub probably |
| 19:44.39 | hecate355 | ok thanks |
| 19:44.46 | \amethyst | if it knows your filesystem, anyway |
| 19:44.56 | usr13 | I"ve got 3 computers here. RH9 / Slacware 10.0 / Fedora c |
| 19:45.11 | hecate355 | ok, when i install grub? right now on windows or after i have installed linux to my second partitions? |
| 19:45.12 | wip_ | is this true. kernel-2.6.15-1 (debian unstable) is low latency ready and preemptive stuff allready it in??? |
| 19:45.12 | usr13 | And I'm about to have another, (soon to be debina). |
| 19:45.27 | deadcat | do you actually USE all those machines? |
| 19:45.41 | usr13 | deadcat: yes |
| 19:45.44 | deadcat | there are unprivillaged kids who doesnt have machines |
| 19:45.53 | wbstpe | hecate335: while installing ilnux |
| 19:45.53 | wols | hecate355: debian will install grub automatically |
| 19:45.55 | usr13 | my wife uses this one mostly. I use the other two. |
| 19:46.02 | usr13 | I'm an experimenter. |
| 19:46.04 | \amethyst | usr13: I used slackware 3.0 and rh4.1 before I started using debian |
| 19:46.33 | vin` | wip_: roll your own and tweak it to perfection, it probably is but... |
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| 19:46.48 | usr13 | Actually, I have experience intalling Debian. I recommended / installed it on my firend's, (the one that just called me wanting to know how to install skype). |
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| 19:47.05 | deadcat | usr13: so basically you're a flipflopper right? |
| 19:47.12 | usr13 | THe install went great and I really like it.. It's a very nice system. |
| 19:47.17 | hecate355 | Last question: i have partition C and D, i have files on both partitions C has windows so i wont install Debian there, but can i get another partition from drive D or can i keep its files when i install Debian there? its FAT32 filesystem at there... |
| 19:47.23 | usr13 | basically, I'm a Linux user. |
| 19:47.28 | usr13 | :) |
| 19:47.35 | deadcat | someone who's confused. (= |
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| 19:47.38 | wip_ | vin`, also the thing is realtime-lsm is not working anymore with unstable kernel! |
| 19:47.38 | subversionf | is there any solution for having a subversion server and making changes using some web page solution? |
| 19:47.44 | wip_ | vin`, is there an alternative? |
| 19:47.52 | usr13 | deadcat: it's all good |
| 19:47.58 | wip_ | vin`, it complain about security not set |
| 19:48.02 | usr13 | but I think you guys have the best of the best. |
| 19:48.13 | cheal | !tell subversionf about svn |
| 19:48.15 | usr13 | fact is, i'm pretty sure of it now. |
| 19:48.25 | deadcat | usr13: like i said. if you plan to use debian, always try to install via apt-get or aptitude. last options is to dpkg -i blah.deb or compile. |
| 19:48.39 | usr13 | aptituede? |
| 19:48.43 | deadcat | aptitude |
| 19:48.57 | hecate355 | I have partition C and D, i have files on both partitions C has windows so i wont install Debian there, but can i get another partition from drive D or can i keep its files when i install Debian there? its FAT32 filesystem at there...anyone knows? |
| 19:49.05 | subversionf | cheal: I know I can install svn, my question is if there is some web page solution for using it as a web page |
| 19:49.10 | dn3 | deadcat i use debian 7yrs and didnt knjow aptiude :) |
| 19:49.13 | usr13 | so, it's apt-get, aptitude, dpkg ... |
| 19:49.16 | wbstpe | hecate355: you will have to use a partitionmanager to crop "d" - and then you will be able to install your debian into the free part of the disk |
| 19:49.25 | subversionf | cheal: I mean, doing updates using some html form |
| 19:49.31 | deadcat | dn3: its pretty new right? the annoying software. (= |
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| 19:49.41 | \amethyst | subversionf: I don't know about forms, but libapache2-svn supports WebDAV |
| 19:49.57 | wip_ | i have an ati, what package do i need to download to make it work? |
| 19:50.03 | hecate355 | wbstpe how this procedure works? does that manager come with debian netinstallation disk or what? |
| 19:50.04 | usr13 | I've used yum and apt is just like yum. |
| 19:50.05 | subversionf | I know there is some dav_svn module for apache2 |
| 19:50.10 | hecate355 | wbstpe really confused:S |
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| 19:50.15 | wiseguy8575 | Hey everyone |
| 19:50.16 | deadcat | usr13: no. yum is like apt |
| 19:50.30 | wiseguy8575 | I have a problem. |
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| 19:50.34 | wip_ | wiseguy8575, hi |
| 19:50.41 | wip_ | wiseguy8575, me too |
| 19:50.43 | wiseguy8575 | My computer can't boot off of my netinst CD. |
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| 19:50.49 | wiseguy8575 | wip_: Lol. |
| 19:50.49 | usr13 | deadcat: which came first, the chicken or the package manager? :) |
| 19:50.51 | vin` | wip_: is it a third party module? |
| 19:50.52 | subversionf | amethist: I am setting up a svn server, and I would like to install some web server the users can use for updating |
| 19:50.53 | wip_ | wiseguy8575, check your bios setting |
| 19:50.54 | cheal | subversionf: ask #svn |
| 19:51.04 | wip_ | vin`, you mean realtime-lsm |
| 19:51.05 | deadcat | usr13: i dont know. but apt is here way before the yum crap |
| 19:51.20 | wiseguy8575 | wip_: No, I was just wondering about this http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
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| 19:51.35 | wiseguy8575 | wip_: Will that work for me? |
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| 19:51.41 | usr13 | deadcat: prolly so... HOw far back does yellowdog go? How far back toes apt go? |
| 19:51.53 | wip_ | wiseguy8575, hum.. sorry. i always use a cd... |
| 19:51.59 | wbstpe | hecate: you need to resize partitions BEFORE installing debian - it doesn't come with debian |
| 19:52.10 | wiseguy8575 | wip_: Well do you at least know what that access folder is for? |
| 19:52.10 | wbstpe | hecate355: ^ ^ ^ |
| 19:52.17 | wiseguy8575 | wip_: It has identical files in it. |
| 19:52.21 | wip_ | vin`, realtime-lsm is a module for the kernel, so i need the headers and module-assistant |
| 19:52.29 | deadcat | usr13: "prolly so" ? its FOR SURE! |
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| 19:52.42 | hecate355 | wbstpe i have 2 partitions from one HDD, gettin me drives C and D, can i make one more partition out from a drive D:P? |
| 19:52.42 | wip_ | wiseguy8575, sorry, maybe someone here can help you! |
| 19:52.57 | wiseguy8575 | Can anyone tell me what the access folder is for on http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 19:52.57 | usr13 | SO... How old is apt? |
| 19:53.01 | usr13 | anyone know? |
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| 19:53.22 | deadcat | few years older than yum and the rpm based are still trying to catch up. |
| 19:53.23 | usr13 | Pretty sure we can find out how old yellow dog is? |
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| 19:53.28 | wiseguy8575 | Can anyone tell me what the access folder is for on http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
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| 19:54.10 | usr13 | I know all about rpm... "dependency hell" and that's the reason I was so happy when yum came along. |
| 19:54.16 | hecate355 | whats floppy?? |
| 19:54.18 | usr13 | or... when I discovered yum. |
| 19:54.26 | hecate355 | they were gone before i was born i think |
| 19:54.34 | wiseguy8575 | hecate355: A floppy disk... |
| 19:54.43 | hecate355 | but...whats a floppy disk? |
| 19:54.46 | usr13 | hecate355 doesn't use floppy disks... :) |
| 19:54.54 | markybob | hecate355, google it and find out |
| 19:54.56 | wiseguy8575 | hecate355: How old are you? |
| 19:54.59 | blondie | floppy disks have their uses |
| 19:55.04 | blondie | hecate355: he's 2 months old |
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| 19:55.06 | King_Andy | does anyone have a link to a really good GUI for debian? |
| 19:55.09 | hecate355 | wiseguy8575 24, but im a very modern person! |
| 19:55.15 | usr13 | deadcat: I was around before yum. |
| 19:55.26 | wiseguy8575 | hecate355: Dude, you are ridiculous. |
| 19:55.28 | blondie | hecate355: do you know how old irc is? |
| 19:55.28 | deadcat | so |
| 19:55.39 | hecate355 | blondie 20 years maybe:)? |
| 19:55.45 | wiseguy8575 | hecate355: I'm only 16 and I use floppies. |
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| 19:55.50 | \amethyst | the changelog file seems to indicate that apt dates back to 1998 |
| 19:56.01 | \amethyst | IRC is late 80s, right? |
| 19:56.03 | blondie | hecate355: nearly |
| 19:56.07 | blondie | 1988 |
| 19:56.09 | wiseguy8575 | Can anyone tell me what the access folder is for on http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 19:56.12 | hecate355 | but anyone tell me, can i make partition from an already existing partition? |
| 19:56.16 | usr13 | you're never too young / old to use a floppy disk |
| 19:56.22 | blondie | hecate355: what does that mean? |
| 19:56.32 | wiseguy8575 | usr13: Can you help me? |
| 19:56.33 | usr13 | hecate355: you delete and make new ones. |
| 19:56.36 | orchid | King_Andy: http://xwinman.org/ |
| 19:56.36 | \amethyst | I think if you haven't used a floppy disk yet, you're too young |
| 19:56.44 | \amethyst | and you should try to avoid ever having to use one |
| 19:56.49 | \amethyst | and count your blessings |
| 19:56.52 | wiseguy8575 | \amethyst: Can you help me? |
| 19:56.53 | usr13 | unless it's a secondary partition. |
| 19:57.09 | wols | hecate355: you need at least resize the current partition. 2 partitions are not allowed to occupy the same space on disk |
| 19:57.10 | hecate355 | I ment it like that: I have 2 partitions on HDD, drive C and drive D, now, can i make one more partition from drive D? |
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| 19:57.15 | wiseguy8575 | I NEED TO KNOW HOW TO INSTALL DEBIAN FROM A FLOPPY! |
| 19:57.18 | wiseguy8575 | HELP! |
| 19:57.19 | usr13 | hecate355: but basically you delete partitions in order to make new ones. |
| 19:57.25 | markybob | wiseguy8575, READ THE INSTALLATION MANUAL |
| 19:57.27 | blondie | "drive D" is already a partition |
| 19:57.27 | \amethyst | wiseguy8575: wiseguy8575 I have no clue what the access/ dir is for |
| 19:57.28 | markybob | punks |
| 19:57.38 | hecate355 | blondie yes but can i make a partition out from a partition:D? |
| 19:57.40 | wiseguy8575 | \amethyst: Thanks for looking. |
| 19:57.43 | wip_ | nobody use ati here? |
| 19:57.46 | wols | hecate355: no |
| 19:57.49 | blondie | hecate355: it's already a partition |
| 19:57.52 | deadcat | wip_: calmn the fuck down or no one will help your ass |
| 19:57.52 | wiseguy8575 | markybob: Where is it? |
| 19:57.56 | wbstpe | usr13: or you resize a partition |
| 19:58.03 | wip_ | deadcat, i am calm |
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| 19:58.09 | deadcat | wip_: oops |
| 19:58.11 | King_Andy | does anyone have a link to a really good GUI for debian? |
| 19:58.13 | wip_ | deadcat, and polite :) |
| 19:58.14 | hecate355 | deal is that, i have files on drive D, using FAT32 filesystem, i want to install Debian to that drive tho, without loosing files, is it possible? |
| 19:58.18 | markybob | wiseguy8575, uh, click on "installation manual" on www.debian.org ? is that really too hard for you to manage? |
| 19:58.21 | markybob | wiseguy8575, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 19:58.22 | deadcat | wiseguy8575: calmn the fuck down or no one will help your ass |
| 19:58.23 | endeavormac | can someone please explain to me why this is not a valid line for /etc/crontab : * * * * * endeavormac python /home/endeavormac/testcron/testcron |
| 19:58.25 | \amethyst | The last time I installed an OS from a floppy was 1997, and the last time I had a working floppy drive in my system was a couple of years ago :) |
| 19:58.31 | wols | King_Andy: what do you mean with "GUI"? what for? |
| 19:58.31 | blondie | hecate355: no it's not possible |
| 19:58.32 | wiseguy8575 | deadcat: Sorry. |
| 19:58.32 | endeavormac | or * * * * * endeavormac python /home/endeavormac/testcron/testcron.py ? |
| 19:58.37 | King_Andy | Debian |
| 19:58.41 | \amethyst | endeavormac: you're not telling it when to run |
| 19:58.46 | King_Andy | like, a desktop like envirnment |
| 19:58.51 | endeavormac | wouldn't that be every minute? |
| 19:58.52 | \amethyst | endeavormac: you have to have a number in at least one of those * fields |
| 19:58.53 | blondie | hecate355: drive letters are a windows thing, and you need a seperate partition |
| 19:59.02 | endeavormac | ok, thanks |
| 19:59.06 | wols | King_Andy: use gnome or kde, xfce or fluxbox, etc |
| 19:59.06 | wbstpe | King_Andy: ion3 |
| 19:59.11 | blondie | you'll have to resize drive d |
| 19:59.31 | King_Andy | thank you wols and wbstpe |
| 19:59.34 | wbstpe | blondie: i tried to explain it some 10 minutes ago |
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| 19:59.45 | HelmutG | Hi. I'm looking for a software with similar features like sox. It should furthermore have a tone generator, pink noise and be able to mix multiple streams easily. The usage of some kind of programming language would be good. Any suggestions? |
| 19:59.47 | blondie | wbstpe: I was being a cunt |
| 20:00.00 | \amethyst | endeavormac: every minute is */1 in the minute field |
| 20:00.01 | prolific- | How come apt-get install gaim tells me that my version is the latest when I have 1.2.1 installed? This is the only uncommented line in sources.list deb http://debian.scribus.net/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 20:00.13 | endeavormac | what about 0-59? |
| 20:00.19 | blondie | prolific-: 1.2.1 of what? |
| 20:00.24 | wols | blondie: gaim |
| 20:00.37 | prolific- | Yep |
| 20:00.42 | \amethyst | endeavormac: yes, that will work too |
| 20:00.43 | blondie | OH |
| 20:00.46 | blondie | who knows |
| 20:00.51 | endeavormac | ok thanks |
| 20:00.59 | wols | prolific-: you sure that repository has a newer vresion of gaim? |
| 20:01.04 | blondie | prolific-: maybe you need to apt-get update |
| 20:01.11 | endeavormac | i know have the line 0-59 * * * * endeavormac python /home/endeavormac/testcron/testcron.py |
| 20:01.23 | endeavormac | but the command is not being called |
| 20:01.35 | prolific- | I have apt-get update'd but I'm not sure if that repos has the package...pdo.debian.net has it |
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| 20:01.46 | blondie | prolific-: use a different mirror then |
| 20:01.51 | prolific- | Gotcah |
| 20:02.00 | HelmutG | Are there know audio libraries wich provide pinknoise, compander, bandpass and a programmable amplitude modifier? |
| 20:02.06 | markybob | endeavormac, * * * * * endeavormac python /home/endeavormac/testcron/testcron.py |
| 20:02.15 | \amethyst | markybob: is this in your /etc/crontab ? |
| 20:02.21 | \amethyst | markybob: or your user crontab? |
| 20:02.36 | endeavormac | 0-59 * * * * endeavormac python /home/endeavormac/testcron/testcron.py is in /etc/crontab |
| 20:02.37 | markybob | \amethyst, why are you asking me? i'm not the one who had a question. |
| 20:02.41 | \amethyst | oops |
| 20:02.43 | blondie | \amethyst: your crontab is wrong |
| 20:02.57 | \amethyst | endeavormac: is this user crontab or /etc ? |
| 20:02.58 | \amethyst | blondie: ? |
| 20:03.07 | blondie | \amethyst: that line is all wrong |
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| 20:03.20 | \amethyst | blondie: for a user crontab it is |
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| 20:03.34 | blondie | \amethyst: you broke the internets! |
| 20:03.40 | \amethyst | endeavormac: hm |
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| 20:03.55 | \amethyst | endeavormac: anything in the syslog? |
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| 20:03.59 | blondie | too many backslashes |
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| 20:04.34 | \amethyst | blondie: \\\\ |
| 20:04.59 | \amethyst | blondie: aren't you glad you don't need to write Java or elisp regular expressions to match windows filenames? |
| 20:05.28 | s-andy | hi, all |
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| 20:05.53 | wbstpe | \amethyst: ????????\.??? |
| 20:05.56 | wbstpe | :) |
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| 20:06.10 | \amethyst | wbstpe: s/file/path/ |
| 20:06.22 | \amethyst | wbstpe: and that's not a regular expression |
| 20:06.27 | s-andy | i use debian testing. after upgrade of kde (3.5) and xorg nvidia-glx does not work any more. is this known issue? |
| 20:06.30 | \amethyst | you mean ........\.... |
| 20:06.36 | Ftroop | noob question how do i enable agp support on xorg with a nvidia card? |
| 20:06.45 | wbstpe | \amethyst: hey i know - it just came along ;) |
| 20:07.05 | \amethyst | or .{1,8}(\..{0,3})? |
| 20:07.15 | thingfish | !tell Ftroop about nvidia one-liner |
| 20:07.27 | \amethyst | though really you should be using a character class, since some characters aren't permitted |
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| 20:08.09 | endeavormac | ok, sorry, my IRC client went insane |
| 20:08.25 | Ftroop | thnaks for info :) |
| 20:08.35 | Ftroop | *thanks |
| 20:08.36 | deadcat | endeavormac: mirc? (= |
| 20:08.36 | wbstpe | \amethyst: ok, [a-zA-Z0-9]{1-8}\. ... *g* |
| 20:08.46 | endeavormac | I'm on a wireless network behind a firewall in a college library, and there's no IRC, so I'm ssh -L 6667:irc.freenode:6667 to my linux box back home |
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| 20:08.56 | endeavormac | i'm using colloquy for mac |
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| 20:09.17 | endeavormac | i'm guessing lost packets and the ssh connection going haywire for a bit, i really have no idea |
| 20:09.24 | endeavormac | never had any problems with this client before :/ |
| 20:09.32 | endeavormac | anyway |
| 20:09.33 | deadcat | endeavormac: why not just ssh to your box and run an irc client+screen ? |
| 20:10.01 | endeavormac | i love mac os x |
| 20:10.15 | endeavormac | and, if i understand your question correctly, because i have no x11 server on my machine at home |
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| 20:10.47 | endeavormac | it's really just for doing mundane tasks, hosting a couple random services, and helping me get into IRC when i'm behind stupid firewalls :) |
| 20:10.57 | markybob | endeavormac, screen != X11 |
| 20:11.05 | markybob | !screen |
| 20:11.05 | dpkg | screen is, like, like, allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and let's you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
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| 20:11.33 | liran | yeap, screen is comfortable if your on ssh |
| 20:11.34 | apokryphos | is there any reason why transferring to an external usb that was ext3 would be *really* slow? Transferring to a fat32 was pretty pacey |
| 20:11.44 | SerajewelKS | !screen =~ s/like, // |
| 20:11.44 | dpkg | SerajewelKS: OK |
| 20:11.49 | endeavormac | ah! i should have known that. there's no alt+fKey switching on mac os x when you boot into console mode, so you have to use screen |
| 20:11.57 | s-andy | can anyone tell me why new xorg conflicts with current version of nvidia-glx and there is no new nvidia-glx in repository? |
| 20:12.13 | markybob | s-andy, i assume it's because you're running testing |
| 20:12.26 | SerajewelKS | !screen =~ s/let's/lets/ |
| 20:12.26 | dpkg | OK, SerajewelKS |
| 20:12.32 | markybob | s-andy, wait for the unstable version to sink in or add unstable to your sources and get that version |
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| 20:13.06 | apokryphos | usb 2.0, btw |
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| 20:13.46 | endeavormac | in any case, perhaps someone could help me. I have the line 0-59 * * * * endeavormac python /home/endeavormac/testcron/testcron.py in my /etc/crontab file. I would assume that would run the command python /home/endeavormac/testcron/testcron.py as the use endeavormac every minute, but the command is not being run. |
| 20:13.51 | endeavormac | any ideas? |
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| 20:14.17 | markybob | endeavormac, yes. i told you what to change it to about 15 minutes ago. are you doing drugs while ircing? that's not good for anyone :-) |
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| 20:14.38 | endeavormac | you told me * * * * *, which is what i had to begin with |
| 20:14.43 | endeavormac | and was told i needed at least one number |
| 20:14.46 | endeavormac | right? |
| 20:14.46 | markybob | endeavormac, what error message did you get? |
| 20:14.52 | endeavormac | none |
| 20:15.04 | markybob | endeavormac, no. * * * * * should work. it's what's in the manual |
| 20:15.08 | Gathond | endeavormac: you should not need any numbers |
| 20:15.14 | endeavormac | ok |
| 20:15.58 | endeavormac | and that will run the command at 00 seconds? |
| 20:16.14 | wbstpe | endeavormac: man 5 crontab |
| 20:16.46 | hid3 | Is there any way to poweroff/standby/sleep a SCSI hard disk? Like hdparm -Y /dev/hdX for IDE. |
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| 20:17.38 | maelcum | maelcum is gaming. !gameinfo for more info. |
| 20:18.34 | bpuzon | Hi, What should be installed in order to make man pages for standard C functions available (e.g. man scanf) |
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| 20:18.36 | nkuttler | maelcum: hm? |
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| 20:18.54 | jetscreamer | manpages-dev |
| 20:18.57 | endeavormac | wbstpe: i've looked through all the man pages, i just want to make sure, because it's not working |
| 20:19.17 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 20:20.00 | markybob | endeavormac, then it's something else. check to make sure that endeavormac has the right permissions to access the file. ls -l /home/endeavormac/testcron/testcron.py |
| 20:20.03 | dondelelcaro | endeavormac: it'll run it every minute. |
| 20:20.33 | markybob | endeavormac, try to run it manually and see the outcome. su - endeavormac and then python /home/endeavormac/testcron/testcron.py |
| 20:20.37 | dondelelcaro | endeavormac: if it's not being executed, do something like the following: * * * * * echo I WORK; fooscript; |
| 20:20.56 | dondelelcaro | endeavormac: you should get an email from cron every minute telling you that the script is working. |
| 20:20.58 | endeavormac | when testcron.py is run, it opens a file containing a number, increments it by one, and then saves it back to that file. when logged in as endeavormac, i can run that command fine and it works |
| 20:21.10 | yggrdasil | dam what was that cmcd to check if ive got some sound working ? |
| 20:21.14 | yggrdasil | play or |
| 20:21.15 | yggrdasil | .. |
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| 20:21.27 | SerajewelKS | yggrdasil: play, mpg123, ogg123 |
| 20:21.27 | wbstpe | endeavormac: mhh - im not shure - does cron have the PATH-var? try /path/to/python ... |
| 20:21.32 | endeavormac | running mail gives me nothing, but in all fairness i did kill exim |
| 20:21.32 | markybob | yggrdasil, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ? :) |
| 20:21.41 | endeavormac | yep, python is in /usr/bin and that path is in cron |
| 20:21.55 | endeavormac | wait |
| 20:21.59 | endeavormac | i think i may have found it |
| 20:22.00 | dondelelcaro | endeavormac: you mean the full path to the script? |
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| 20:22.22 | wbstpe | yggrdasil: try apt-get install sox if you want to "play" ;) |
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| 20:22.38 | GloX | Hello, I want to run windows 2003 server on top of debian on my server (without keyb/mouse/monitor). But I don't want to install X (well, atleast no X client on the server). What software do you recommend ? |
| 20:22.48 | GloX | I was thinking xorg, vmware, x11vnc .. |
| 20:22.58 | GloX | but doesn't that require a running desktop ? |
| 20:23.06 | kspath | ARGH! |
| 20:23.15 | Wyzard | GloX: VMware Server (which is free-as-in-beer, and is now in beta, available as a free download) can run headless |
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| 20:23.28 | yggrdasil | wbstpe |
| 20:23.32 | yggrdasil | ok i iddnt hear anything |
| 20:23.43 | GloX | great Wyzard :) |
| 20:23.44 | Wyzard | GloX: The VMs are run by a daemon that starts at boot time, and you view them with a GUI client that can run on a different machine which does have X |
| 20:23.45 | GloX | I'll check it out |
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| 20:23.59 | yggrdasil | wbstpe ok i didnt hear anything |
| 20:24.00 | yggrdasil | haha |
| 20:24.14 | yggrdasil | gonan run alsaconf |
| 20:24.22 | jcurry | can someone help me compile something? i only have a configure.in.in script, no 'configure'...what do i do? |
| 20:24.24 | markybob | hid3 look into scsi-idle package |
| 20:24.40 | GloX | and say if I do install X (without client) on the server, what's the best way to remotely manage it |
| 20:25.01 | GloX | I want to be able to connect from my laptop, which is windows only (school :/) |
| 20:25.15 | Wyzard | GloX: There's a Windows client too |
| 20:25.16 | endeavormac | alright, the problem is i write my scripts as open ('counter.txt', 'r') and don't give the full path. when cron opens the script, it can't find counter.txt because it's opening it from a different path. |
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| 20:25.20 | endeavormac | i feel like an idiot :p |
| 20:25.32 | Covener | GloX: keep a vncserver running? Allows you to detach from it and still have various gui windows open |
| 20:25.33 | iNAP | hi.. i have the following problem: i installed the ia64, and burned the iso image. |
| 20:25.33 | yggrdasil | oh shit it worked i cant believe it i actualy have sound in linux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:25.35 | GloX | well, but just for the host Wyzard |
| 20:25.41 | yggrdasil | its gonna be a plauge of locusts or something |
| 20:25.42 | iNAP | i restarted, hoping the installer will load up, it didn't.. |
| 20:25.43 | iNAP | what do i do |
| 20:25.50 | endeavormac | i've been working on this problem for a couple days now :p probably put a good 4-5 hours into it. wow. |
| 20:25.59 | GloX | Covener, with vncserver, don't I lose the desktop on logout ? |
| 20:26.01 | Wyzard | If you put X on the server, you can run the client locally on it, but if there's no monitor then I see no point in doing that |
| 20:26.05 | yggrdasil | and now i even got xmms |
| 20:26.20 | Covener | GloX: Maybe if you explicitly logout, but not when you close the vnc client. |
| 20:26.22 | yggrdasil | im gonna take a victory shot of tequila |
| 20:26.24 | Wyzard | GloX: Just run the client on your laptop when you want to interact with the VM, and close the client when you're done |
| 20:26.26 | GloX | ok thanks |
| 20:26.27 | yggrdasil | i have a home theater box !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:26.30 | yggrdasil | yes!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:26.31 | endeavormac | alright, thanks for the help |
| 20:26.35 | Wyzard | GloX: The VM runs even when the client isn't connected to it |
| 20:26.37 | dondelelcaro | yggrdasil: lay off the punctuation, please. |
| 20:26.40 | GloX | Wyzard, I'm not talking about the VM's anymore :) |
| 20:26.41 | yggrdasil | sorry |
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| 20:26.46 | GloX | just plain X |
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| 20:26.50 | Wyzard | GloX: Oh, I see |
| 20:27.05 | GloX | I used to run xvnc, from the tightvnc site I think |
| 20:27.17 | GloX | but I lost the desktop with it every time I closed the client |
| 20:27.18 | Wyzard | GloX: Well, rather than installing X on the server itself, I'd suggest creating another VM for your Linux use -- that way you can view that with the VMware client too :-) |
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| 20:27.36 | kspath | GloX: just try them all |
| 20:27.40 | GloX | hmm, wouldn't that cause useless overhead ? :o |
| 20:27.45 | rtoris | hello... just was wondering if anyone was interested in helping with a new Linux website intended for Linux news, forums, support, HowTos and articles.... admins needed (its CMS), anyone intereseted? |
| 20:27.58 | Wyzard | GloX: Unless you're short on RAM, it shouldn't make much of a difference |
| 20:28.07 | markybob | GloX, you're running windows server 2003 inside debian and you mention overhead? :) |
| 20:28.09 | kspath | GloX: just try them all, to see which one(s) fit you in the way that you want exactly. |
| 20:28.15 | Wyzard | GloX: Have the "real" server run nothing but the VMware daemon, basically |
| 20:28.27 | jcurry | can someone help me compile something? i only have a configure.in.in script, no 'configure'...what do i do? |
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| 20:28.46 | GloX | well markybob, I tried installing it directly, but it crashes the whole time, BSOD's .. |
| 20:28.55 | GloX | I think it has faulty ram or something |
| 20:28.59 | nkuttler | jcurry: compile what? |
| 20:28.59 | kspath | I this #random-question or #debian? I think I am lost again. |
| 20:29.03 | Wyzard | GloX: Run memtest86 on it |
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| 20:29.20 | GloX | tried that once, no errors |
| 20:29.25 | jcurry | nkuttler, kerry, from the opensuse src rpm... |
| 20:29.39 | Wyzard | GloX: Let it run for several passes, or overnight... I've seen RAM that passes the first pass but fails on the second |
| 20:29.39 | jcurry | kspath, i'm sorry, i didn't know where else to ask |
| 20:29.49 | GloX | ok |
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| 20:30.00 | Wyzard | GloX: If you do have bad RAM, it'd be as bad an idea to run Debian on it as it would to run Windows |
| 20:30.04 | \amethyst | well |
| 20:30.06 | iNAP | can anyone help with my problem please? |
| 20:30.10 | GloX | well weirdest thing, debian runs fine |
| 20:30.15 | GloX | no problems |
| 20:30.16 | \amethyst | if it's just a few bytes, you can use kernel-patch-badram |
| 20:30.34 | Wyzard | GloX: OTOH, it could be a different problem entirely... I used to have a SCSI card that would reliably bluescreen Windows 2000, XP, and 2003, just by being installed in a PCI slot and detected by Windows |
| 20:31.16 | GloX | well, it has been running windows xp for a year, before I installed debian on it |
| 20:31.26 | Wyzard | GloX: I've also seen Windows fail to install (even to fully boot the installer, actually) due to an overheating processor |
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| 20:31.39 | GloX | and it sometimes took a few tries to boot (bsod's), but it worked fine |
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| 20:32.05 | Wyzard | GloX: Bluescreens and error messages from the installer sounds a lot like my experience with the system that was overheating |
| 20:32.07 | GloX | that can be the problem I think ... cpu fan was making weird noises yesterday too |
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| 20:32.16 | iNAP | i downloaded the ia64 iso and burned the image, and i restarted and booted from disk and the loader didnt come up, anyone know why? |
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| 20:32.25 | Wyzard | GloX: I underclocked it (changed FSB from 266 to 200) and the problems went away |
| 20:32.35 | \amethyst | hmm |
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| 20:32.44 | GloX | well I just think the cpu fan needs replacement |
| 20:32.45 | nkuttler | jcurry: probably run automake or autoconf. no INSTALL present? |
| 20:32.50 | \amethyst | can you lower the FSB and up the multiplier with an Athlon XP? |
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| 20:33.07 | Wyzard | iNAP: Do you actually have an IA64 system? (Note that IA64 is *not* the same as AM64) |
| 20:33.09 | vinicius_ | oi galera eu sou novo por aki |
| 20:33.13 | vinicius_ | brasil |
| 20:33.23 | nkuttler | !pt |
| 20:33.23 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:33.24 | markybob | vinicius_, #debian-br |
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| 20:33.27 | iNAP | oh i have an amd 64.. but i was told that ia = intel/amd |
| 20:33.30 | \amethyst | my I think my northbridge is overheating |
| 20:33.40 | markybob | iNAP, get the proper image and you'll be fine |
| 20:33.46 | vinicius_ | brasil |
| 20:33.49 | vinicius_ | salvador |
| 20:33.51 | iNAP | then whats the proper iso for amd64? |
| 20:33.51 | vinicius_ | bahia |
| 20:33.53 | iNAP | i dont see it on the list. |
| 20:33.54 | markybob | iNAP, http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 20:33.56 | vinicius_ | carnaval |
| 20:34.03 | iNAP | thanks =) |
| 20:34.05 | Gathond | iNAP: its not IA is Intel Architechture and IA64 is itanium and friends |
| 20:34.10 | jcurry | nkuttler, there is an INSTALL, but it the standard one which tells me to run configure |
| 20:34.18 | iNAP | gotcha.. thanks a bunch. |
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| 20:34.33 | vinicius_ | quem de vcs fala portuges |
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| 20:34.43 | markybob | vinicius_, no one. again #debian-br |
| 20:34.47 | Wyzard | iNAP: AMD64 and Intel's "em64t" are the same thing... IA64 (aka Itanium) is a different, incompatible architecture that Intel released a few years ago and is now phasing out because it didn't sell very well |
| 20:34.50 | vinicius_ | ok |
| 20:34.56 | jcurry | nkuttler, automake: `configure.ac' or `configure.in' is required |
| 20:34.57 | vinicius_ | bay |
| 20:35.03 | GloX | is there any easy way to check the cpu temp ? |
| 20:35.09 | jcurry | nkuttler, what should i pass to autoconf as an input file? |
| 20:35.17 | GloX | lm_sensors is not that simple to install :/ |
| 20:35.26 | iNAP | ah ok.. then why do they bother making versions for it? |
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| 20:35.37 | GloX | and I don't have a spare monitor to hook up |
| 20:35.38 | vin` | GloX: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
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| 20:35.48 | \amethyst | iNAP: because they were fairly powerful machines...just expensive |
| 20:35.54 | GloX | vin`, doesn't exist |
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| 20:35.57 | iNAP | oh |
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| 20:36.19 | \amethyst | iNAP: HP made a bunch of IA64 supercomputers |
| 20:36.19 | vin` | GloX: try loading 'thermal' if you are using acpi. |
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| 20:36.40 | Gathond | Wyzard: last I read on the IA64 thing where HP and Intel pushing more money into it |
| 20:36.40 | Wyzard | GloX: The simplest way would be to go into the BIOS setup... that usually has temperature and fan-speed monitors |
| 20:36.52 | GloX | well Wyzard, but that requires me to hook up a monitor :p |
| 20:37.18 | iNAP | netisnt is the basic right? |
| 20:37.19 | vin` | GloX: which kernel are you running? |
| 20:37.25 | Wyzard | Gathond: Could be... I thought they were phasing it out, but I haven't been following it closely or anything |
| 20:37.34 | GloX | 2.6.12-1-386 vin` |
| 20:37.55 | vin` | GloX: does 'dmesg' report anything about acpi? |
| 20:38.11 | iNAP | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-amd64-netinst.iso - thats what i need, correct? |
| 20:38.31 | GloX | neala:~# dmesg | grep acpi |
| 20:38.31 | GloX | neala:~# |
| 20:38.41 | GloX | guess not |
| 20:38.45 | Wyzard | iNAP: Looks like it, though I'm not sure why there's an "unofficial" in the URL |
| 20:38.50 | GloX | I have a /proc/acpi though, but no thermal |
| 20:39.01 | iNAP | i don't know.. |
| 20:39.01 | Wyzard | GloX: How old is this computer? |
| 20:39.02 | \amethyst | amd64 isn't an official port |
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| 20:39.05 | markybob | Wyzard, cuz amd64 port for sarge isnt official |
| 20:39.06 | vin` | GloX: what about dmesg |grep -i acpi? |
| 20:39.15 | Wyzard | ah... right, forgot about that :-) |
| 20:39.17 | iNAP | is anyone running it? |
| 20:39.19 | iNAP | is it stable |
| 20:39.22 | GloX | no vin` :) |
| 20:39.25 | GloX | tried that too |
| 20:39.25 | markybob | iNAP, yes. you'll be fine |
| 20:39.29 | iNAP | thanks. |
| 20:39.36 | iNAP | oo another question |
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| 20:39.45 | iNAP | are nvidia drivers automatically detected on them? |
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| 20:39.50 | vin` | GloX: what about apm? |
| 20:39.54 | markybob | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:39.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 20:40.00 | markybob | iNAP, no, but look above. easy enough to set it up |
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| 20:40.11 | GloX | well, dmesg reports this: |
| 20:40.13 | GloX | Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 3c on CPU 0. |
| 20:40.13 | GloX | Dazed and confused, but trying to continue |
| 20:40.13 | GloX | Do you have a strange power saving mode enabled? |
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| 20:40.22 | iNAP | i didnt understand 1 thing. lol. im a noob to linux =/ |
| 20:40.24 | GloX | that's all it reports actually :) |
| 20:40.32 | iNAP | basically |
| 20:40.34 | iNAP | just type all those commands |
| 20:40.35 | GloX | about 30 times :p |
| 20:40.39 | iNAP | download the correct driver |
| 20:40.43 | markybob | iNAP, use the "nv" driver when you first set up x. then come in here and ask for help to get the official nvidia drivers |
| 20:40.49 | foo | I have kernel 2.6.11 ... what's the best way to install the source for that kernel? VMware needs it. Just apt-cache search 2.6.11 and look for the source for that kernel? |
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| 20:40.59 | iNAP | alright. |
| 20:41.01 | iNAP | will do. |
| 20:41.01 | iNAP | thanks. |
| 20:41.17 | Wyzard | iNAP: nVidia's proprietary driver isn't installed by default... initially you'll get the open-source reverse-engineered "nv" driver, which works fine for 2D but doesn't support any 3D acceleration |
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| 20:41.30 | \amethyst | So, is Radeon 9200 still the fastest 3D card with free accelerated drivers? |
| 20:41.50 | Wyzard | iNAP: Once you have your system set up and working with that, you install the proprietary driver and switch X over to use it |
| 20:41.54 | Coke | I'm looking at my kernel/sound/pci/hda directory and see some files named patch_<chipset>.c, are these patches applied already or how do I use them? |
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| 20:42.18 | iNAP | yeah i understand that.. but the commands listen up there.. module-assistant.. like whats that? |
| 20:42.37 | Wyzard | iNAP: module-assistant is a tool for compiling third-party kernel modules... it's a package |
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| 20:42.43 | iNAP | oh.. |
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| 20:42.56 | Sagan | hi, anybody use gcj with swingWT?? |
| 20:43.00 | iNAP | so it downloads the driver automatically? |
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| 20:43.13 | markybob | iNAP, yes. come in here later. really. dont worry about it now |
| 20:43.18 | iNAP | ok. |
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| 20:43.24 | Wyzard | Coke: Those aren't patches in the sense you're thinking of |
| 20:43.35 | Coke | Wyzard: but the changes in them are in effect? |
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| 20:44.29 | Kovecses | does anybody know the proper place to put snd_pcm_oss in /etc/modules or can i just put it anywhere? |
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| 20:44.40 | rysiek | hi there, guys |
| 20:44.47 | deadcat | Kovecses: /etc/modules |
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| 20:44.50 | zenwryly | I'm thinking of buying a wine pkg from cedega or codeweavers. Is there any comparison somewhere between the two? Is anyone better on a Debian system? |
| 20:45.00 | \amethyst | Kovecses: the order in that file is the order the modules will be loaded on boot |
| 20:45.12 | Wyzard | Coke: I'm not sure exactly what those files are, but they aren't patches -- they don't represent "changes" to be applied to an existing codebase |
| 20:45.15 | rysiek | got a mail/exim4 problem on Sarge here, maybe someone can help: |
| 20:45.15 | deadcat | zenwryly: no clue. |
| 20:45.16 | markybob | zenwryly, codeweavers is more for general apps and cedega is more for games. pick what you'll use more |
| 20:45.17 | Wyzard | Coke: They're just ordinary code |
| 20:45.20 | \amethyst | Kovecses: unless it has to be loaded before some other hardware for some obscure reason |
| 20:45.21 | Kovecses | \amethyst: yeah i know... so when do i want that to load? |
| 20:45.31 | \amethyst | Kovecses: doesn't really matter |
| 20:45.37 | Kovecses | \amethyst: ok thanks |
| 20:45.43 | deadcat | Kovecses: and botch suck |
| 20:45.46 | rysiek | when trying to send an email as a normal user, withthe mail command, I get the following: |
| 20:45.46 | rysiek | Can't send mail: sendmail process failed with error code 1 |
| 20:45.47 | Coke | Wyzard: Hm. I've been failing to get this HDA ALSA driver working, no success at all. |
| 20:45.49 | deadcat | cedega dont even work |
| 20:45.55 | rysiek | any ideas? |
| 20:46.17 | zenwryly | markybob: like one of my concerns is googleearth. I could see that in either category. |
| 20:46.21 | deadcat | rysiek: that doesnt say much |
| 20:46.28 | Kovecses | Coke: hda? like the intel sound driver? |
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| 20:46.34 | rysiek | well tell me what you need to know |
| 20:46.34 | markybob | rysiek, check /var/log/mail.err |
| 20:46.34 | Coke | Kovecses: yep. |
| 20:46.40 | Kovecses | Coke: its easy |
| 20:46.42 | rysiek | ok, checking now |
| 20:46.49 | Kovecses | Coke: are you using sarge |
| 20:46.51 | Wyzard | Coke: I have a Thinkpad Z60m with an HDA audio controller, and "modprobe snd-hda-intel" was all I needed |
| 20:46.51 | Coke | I get all devices "working", but alsamixer fails to load the mixer. |
| 20:46.54 | Coke | Kovecses: etch |
| 20:47.03 | Coke | Wyzard: if only I was so lucky. |
| 20:47.13 | Kovecses | Coke: waht version of alsa? |
| 20:47.20 | markybob | zenwryly, that doesnt run on either |
| 20:47.26 | sanmarcos | how can I make a process start when my machine boots? |
| 20:47.31 | Wyzard | Coke: I'm using sid with kernel 2.6.15 though... no idea how well older versions would work |
| 20:47.35 | Kovecses | sanmarcos: what process? |
| 20:47.42 | Coke | Kovecses & Wyzard: I've built a custom 2.6.15.4 kernel, I have snd-hda-intel/codec loaded, both capture and playback devices are working, but mixer isn't. |
| 20:47.50 | zenwryly | markybob: damn! Ok thanks. |
| 20:47.57 | Coke | Kovecses: whatever version is distributed with the 2.6.15.4 kernel. |
| 20:48.17 | Kovecses | Coke: the mixer doesnt work if you have alsa and the hda driver compilied into the kernel |
| 20:48.20 | sanmarcos | Kovecses: a script of mine |
| 20:48.37 | Wyzard | Kovecses: Only if it's built as modules? |
| 20:48.41 | Coke | Kovecses: that sounds insane. |
| 20:48.42 | markybob | zenwryly, use this to search for apps and see how well they work in codeweavers. http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search/ |
| 20:48.46 | Kovecses | Coke: its built as a module? |
| 20:49.04 | Kovecses | Coke: sounds insane yes... but thats how it is |
| 20:49.08 | iNAP | whats the command to get xchat, apt-get install xchat ? |
| 20:49.15 | Kovecses | Coke: you want to build it as a module |
| 20:49.17 | Wyzard | weird :-) |
| 20:49.35 | sanmarcos | how can I make a process start when my machine boots? |
| 20:49.35 | zenwryly | markybob: thanks |
| 20:49.40 | \amethyst | iNAP: yes, I prefer to use aptitude to apt-get, though |
| 20:49.41 | Coke | Kovecses: snd-hda-intel is. |
| 20:49.52 | Kovecses | Coke: oh it is |
| 20:49.55 | rysiek | Feb 25 21:44:37 serwek exim[28824]: 2006-02-25 21:44:37 1FD6HN-0007Uu-Mo failed to write to main log: length=124 result=-1 errno=9 (Bad |
| 20:49.56 | rysiek | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.56 | rysiek | Feb 25 21:44:37 serwek exim[28824]: write failed on panic log: length=117 result=-1 errno=9 (Bad file descriptor) |
| 20:49.56 | Wyzard | Kovecses: You sound like you have experience with the HDA... have you experienced any crackling noise or latency from yours? |
| 20:49.56 | iNAP | so aptitude install xchat |
| 20:49.56 | Kovecses | Coke: hmm |
| 20:49.57 | rysiek | markybob: here's what I got from mail.err: |
| 20:50.01 | cheal | iNAP: there's not just one command that can do that |
| 20:50.08 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: at what point in the boot process should it run? |
| 20:50.08 | Coke | Kovecses: yep, everything is modular. |
| 20:50.10 | Kovecses | Wyzard: only on older alsa drivers |
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| 20:50.15 | rysiek | Feb 25 21:44:37 serwek exim[28824]: 2006-02-25 21:44:37 1FD6HN-0007Uu-Mo failed to write to main log: length=124 result=-1 errno=9 (Bad |
| 20:50.15 | rysiek | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.17 | zenwryly | markybob: do you use codeweavers? |
| 20:50.27 | sanmarcos | \amethyst: after most crucial services are started |
| 20:50.34 | markybob | zenwryly, yes |
| 20:50.39 | Kovecses | Wyzard: the new alsa drivers and ones built into newer kernels have not givin me trouble |
| 20:50.58 | Wyzard | Kovecses: I'm using the ALSA in the latest linux-source-2.6.15 in sid... and I get significant crackling under some (but not all) circumstances |
| 20:51.01 | zenwryly | markybob: and I take it you find it worthwhile over usind the OSS versions available? |
| 20:51.21 | sanmarcos | \amethyst: ? |
| 20:51.27 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: You can write an init script, read /etc/init.d/README and the documents it refers to |
| 20:51.55 | markybob | zenwryly, for normal users, yes. i dont have any windows apps that i need, but i'm an advocate so i test crossover and give them reports about different apps from work and how well they perform |
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| 20:52.05 | Wyzard | Kovecses: If I set GStreamer to use OSS emulation it crackles; if I set it to use ALSA natively it doesn't; sound from mplayer crackles if it's using the ALSA "hw" or "plughw" device directly, but not if it's going through dmix |
| 20:52.19 | sanmarcos | \amethyst: great /sacarsm |
| 20:52.33 | zenwryly | markybob: ok, thanks |
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| 20:52.39 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: it's not too hard |
| 20:52.55 | Coke | Kovecses: did you build your kernel and alsa separately? |
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| 20:53.08 | Kovecses | Wyzard: thats strange i have had that happen... but it hasnt happened in a while |
| 20:53.12 | foo | Hmm, VMware is asking me to where the location of the directory of C header files is that match my running kernel. Where do I get these from? Hmm. |
| 20:53.19 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: copy one of the smaller existing init scripts and edit it |
| 20:53.21 | Kovecses | Coke: well .... i have done it both ways |
| 20:53.29 | markybob | foo, apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 20:53.37 | foo | markybob: hm, thanks |
| 20:53.37 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: man start-stop-daemon will help |
| 20:53.50 | Wyzard | foo: "kernel-headers" on sarge, or "linux-headers" with the newer kernels in etch and sid |
| 20:53.54 | Kovecses | Coke: but right now alsa is built into the kernel with snd_hda_intel as a module |
| 20:54.00 | Wyzard | foo: Install the one that matches your running kernel package |
| 20:54.00 | rysiek | deadcat: I've got this from mail.err: |
| 20:54.03 | rysiek | failed to write to main log: length=124 result=-1 errno=9 (Bad |
| 20:54.03 | rysiek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:54.30 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: then you can do update-rc.d scriptname start 99 2 3 4 5 . stop 01 0 1 6 |
| 20:54.32 | rysiek | and then almost the same for "panic log" |
| 20:54.34 | \amethyst | err |
| 20:54.34 | Coke | Kovecses: what chipset do you have? |
| 20:54.38 | foo | Wyzard: Couldn't find that package |
| 20:54.41 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: add another period to the end of that line |
| 20:54.42 | Kovecses | Wyzard: Coke: also the oss drivers from opensound.com work really good with our soundcard |
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| 20:54.55 | Kovecses | Coke: ich6 |
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| 20:55.03 | Kovecses | Coke: intel of course |
| 20:55.13 | Wyzard | foo: There are actually multiple packages, with the kernel version number and variant in the name... use "apt-cache search" |
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| 20:56.07 | Wyzard | Kovecses: More annoying is the latency due to the default configuration of dmix, though by tweaking it in ~/.asoundrc I've improved on that |
| 20:56.18 | iNAP | i have a problem, when i turn on my computer, i get the dual boot screen of lilo, when i was running VL, and i removed the partion that VL was running on, how do i remove the lilo dual booter? |
| 20:56.29 | Coke | Kovecses: do you have the options with position_fix=1 ? |
| 20:56.30 | foo | Wyzard: To be honest, I have. I thought I built this kernel a while back .. but if I did that I'd have the source. Kind of confused. I'm on 2.6.11. I built the kernel because I needed to patch my drivers for my orinoco card for kismet to get into monitor mode |
| 20:56.32 | Kovecses | Wyzard: yeah i dont know much about dmix |
| 20:56.57 | Wyzard | foo: What does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:57.09 | foo | Wyzard: I'm on 2.6.11 ... |
| 20:57.26 | Wyzard | foo: Right, but Debian's precompiled kernels have a suffix like "-686-1" or whatever |
| 20:57.27 | \amethyst | foo: what about uname -a, it will tell how and where it was compiled |
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| 20:57.53 | foo | \amethyst: Linux box 2.6.15-1-686 #1 Fri Feb 10 15:49:07 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:57.55 | Kovecses | 2.6.11 kernels seem to be very popular |
| 20:57.57 | \amethyst | hm.. |
| 20:57.57 | foo | Wyzard: Yeah, I think I made this kernel. hm |
| 20:58.09 | foo | hmm. Oh, I think I know what I did. |
| 20:58.12 | Wyzard | foo: And you don't have the source in /usr/src ? |
| 20:58.24 | \amethyst | foo: looks like you used kernel-package, that's good |
| 20:58.26 | foo | I made a .deb out of this kernel I did ... and I installed the .deb ... that's why I don't have the source. I reinstalled debian on my laptop |
| 20:58.34 | foo | Wyzard: hm, nope |
| 20:58.51 | bucky | !sunday |
| 20:58.51 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 20:58.52 | foo | kernel-source-2.6.1 |
| 20:58.57 | foo | Wait ... I got it on my nfs mount |
| 20:58.58 | Wyzard | foo: Wait, nm, I just noticed what you pasted... you're running a precompiled kernel |
| 20:59.03 | foo | I suppose I could copy that over. I'll try that |
| 20:59.11 | \amethyst | Wyzard: no, kernel-package will do that too |
| 20:59.17 | Wyzard | not by default |
| 20:59.19 | \amethyst | oh, right |
| 20:59.22 | \amethyst | the -1- |
| 20:59.23 | iNAP | i have a problem, when i turn on my computer, i get the dual boot screen of lilo, when i was running VL, and i removed the partion that VL was running on, how do i remove the lilo dual booter? |
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| 20:59.36 | Wyzard | I use linux-source and kernel-package and my version number is simply "2.6.15" |
| 20:59.37 | d0uglas | use grub yo |
| 20:59.46 | Kovecses | iNAP: edit lilo.conf? |
| 20:59.52 | \amethyst | foo: you are booting a stock debian kernel from the 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 21:00.06 | iNAP | but i already removed the partion |
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| 21:00.07 | \amethyst | foo: unless you used an EXTRAVERSION of "-1-686" intentionally |
| 21:00.08 | iNAP | that VL was running on. |
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| 21:00.17 | Coke | Kovecses: could you check your modutil/alsa* settings for snd-hda-intel ? |
| 21:00.26 | Kovecses | Coke: ok |
| 21:00.31 | foo | \amethyst: hm, I don't think that kernel was out when I built 2.6.11. heh. Let me try this ... I think this is the source I used. |
| 21:00.58 | Wyzard | foo: You're not even running 2.6.11 |
| 21:01.15 | foo | Wyzard: Why do you say that? uname says I am... |
| 21:01.15 | foo | hm |
| 21:01.17 | \amethyst | foo: did you see the output of uname -a ? |
| 21:01.25 | \amethyst | 2.6.15-1-i686 |
| 21:01.29 | Wyzard | foo: Linux box 2.6.15-1-686 #1 Fri Feb 10 15:49:07 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:01.31 | foo | AHHHH |
| 21:01.34 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 21:01.36 | \amethyst | err s/-i/-/ |
| 21:01.40 | foo | Err. Sorry guys, I pased that from my desktop system by accident. |
| 21:01.41 | foo | heh |
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| 21:01.43 | aedwar62834 | I have a laptop that I purchased from a friend that has debian installed on it along with an ungodly number of packages. Is there a way to return the debian installation to a base install using the package management system without reinstalling the OS? |
| 21:01.54 | \amethyst | heh |
| 21:01.57 | foo | Laptop just says 2.6.11 |
| 21:01.58 | foo | err, sorry |
| 21:02.09 | Wyzard | and no suffix like "-1-686" ? |
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| 21:02.24 | \amethyst | I always use some kind of extraversion, usually my initials |
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| 21:03.04 | Coke | Kovecses: do you have any specific options for snd-hda-intel? |
| 21:03.04 | snowshelbi | hello. More or less a "useless" question: how do you find out when your OS was installed? |
| 21:03.09 | Kovecses | Coke: no |
| 21:03.16 | Wyzard | Coke: nor do I |
| 21:03.22 | Kovecses | Coke: how are you loading the module? |
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| 21:03.38 | rysiek | 2006-02-25 21:53:00 1FD6PU-0007at-SA <= mike@rysiek.ath.cx U=mike P=local S=324 |
| 21:03.38 | rysiek | Can't send mail: sendmail process failed with error code 1 |
| 21:03.39 | rysiek | ok, trying again with the mail problem: I've got exim4 installed on Deb Sarge, and sending as root works AOK, but when I try to send a mail (using the "mail" command) as a "regular" user, I get: |
| 21:03.42 | rysiek | 2006-02-25 21:53:00 1FD6PU-0007at-SA <= mike@rysiek.ath.cx U=mike P=local S=324 |
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| 21:03.42 | rysiek | Can't send mail: sendmail process failed with error code 1 |
| 21:03.59 | rysiek | shit, sorry for the double post :/ |
| 21:04.11 | foo | Bah. This kernel-source-2.6.11 only has a drivers directory. Weird. |
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| 21:04.15 | d0uglas | it's ok |
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| 21:04.46 | Coke | Kovecses: modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 21:05.04 | mrverbose | hi, why doesnt debian execute the .bash_profile if i login via ssh? |
| 21:05.12 | Wyzard | foo: If you still have the kernel configuration file (in /boot/config-2.6.11 or /proc/config.gz), you could re-extract the 2.6.11 source tree and reconfigure it using the saved config file |
| 21:05.17 | snowshelbi | so no one knows how to find the installation date :p? |
| 21:05.18 | Kovecses | Coke: yeah try and load it at boot time.... i know that sounds stupid .. but |
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| 21:06.23 | Wyzard | snowshelbi: You could look at the creation timestamp on something like /bin (the directory itself) that's unlikely to have been changed since the system was installed |
| 21:06.25 | \amethyst | snowshelbi: well |
| 21:06.26 | foo | Wyzard: Hmm, ok. Just grab the 2.6.11 source tree from kernel.org ? I suppose |
| 21:06.43 | Kovecses | Coke: have you installed alsa-utils? |
| 21:06.45 | \amethyst | snowshelbi: I don't know of a *sane* way |
| 21:06.50 | vin` | foo: are the headers available for the kernel you are running, that usually suffices. |
| 21:06.52 | Wyzard | foo: You should use the same source tree the current kernel was actually compiled from... kernel.org, Debian kernel-source package, whatever |
| 21:06.55 | Coke | Kovecses: yep. |
| 21:07.00 | foo | vin`: No |
| 21:07.17 | Kovecses | Coke: try starting at boot... did your run alsaconf |
| 21:07.25 | Wyzard | vin`: Not for a custom kernel -- the idea is that you need a set of headers whose configuration actually matches that of the current running kernel |
| 21:07.32 | \amethyst | snowshelbi: you can look for the oldest files in etc and rule out outliers :) |
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| 21:07.46 | Wyzard | vin`: A Debian kernel-headers package wouldn't match a custom kernel |
| 21:07.46 | Kovecses | Wyzard: if you have the kernel source ... headers are not needed |
| 21:07.56 | foo | Wyzard: Hmm, I think it was kernel.org ... because I don't see a kernel-source for 2.6.11 in apt-cache |
| 21:08.01 | \amethyst | snowshelbi: preferably looking at the ctime, |
| 21:08.06 | Wyzard | Kovecses: Well, more accurately, the kernel source tree contains the headers :-) |
| 21:08.23 | Kovecses | Wyzard: very true |
| 21:08.23 | Wyzard | foo: dpkg -s kernel-image-2.6.11 |
| 21:08.43 | vin` | Wyzard: I didn't it was a custom kernel. |
| 21:08.43 | foo | Wyzard: No results on that |
| 21:08.44 | Wyzard | Kovecses: But my point was just that you can't install a Debian kernel-headers package and expect to use it to compile modules for a custom kernel |
| 21:08.47 | \amethyst | snowshelbi: For example, on my machine ls -lctr /etc | head -2 gives me |
| 21:08.57 | \amethyst | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 26 2002-06-30 20:04 host.conf |
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| 21:09.00 | vin` | *know |
| 21:09.02 | Kovecses | Wyzard: oh ... of course not sorry i misunderstood |
| 21:09.15 | \amethyst | snowshelbi: and this install dates from summer 2002 |
| 21:09.16 | Wyzard | foo: So you didn't use kernel-package, and probably didn't use a Debian kernel-source package either |
| 21:09.33 | vin` | Wyzard: with a custom kernel, the sources he has should suffice. |
| 21:09.38 | foo | Wyzard: No, and because of that, I think I'll grab a more recent kernel-source, patch it, and just build that. |
| 21:09.40 | Kovecses | right |
| 21:09.42 | Wyzard | foo: You know, rather than trying to recreate your old kernel source tree, this would be a good opportunity to just upgrade to 2.6.15 :-) |
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| 21:09.52 | foo | Wyzard: heh, yup |
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| 21:10.11 | vin` | or .16-rc-4 |
| 21:10.31 | snowshelbi | yep, I check the creation date of /bin |
| 21:10.34 | sdfsd | sup? |
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| 21:11.12 | \amethyst | snowshelbi: err |
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| 21:11.25 | \amethyst | snowshelbi: the ctime on /bin will be the last time a file was added to it |
| 21:11.30 | Kovecses | damn new kernel versions fly off the shelf |
| 21:11.33 | \amethyst | snowshelbi: ctime isn't creation time, but inode change time |
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| 21:11.53 | mrverbose | why isnt .bashrc executed, when i login via ssh on debian etch? |
| 21:12.16 | \amethyst | mrverbose: does your .bash_profile source your .bashrc ? |
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| 21:12.40 | snowshelbi | well, that answers my question. Thanks folks |
| 21:12.46 | arsen | how do i mount a device (ipod) with write permissions? using hfsplus atm |
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| 21:12.56 | mrverbose | \amethyst: yes, thats why i think that my .bash_profile isnt executed |
| 21:12.56 | ParoXsitiC | Recently I decided to take advantage of my 24/7 linux server so i wanted to download some things off bit torrent. Without thinking I automatically installed x-windows-core and KDE. The linux is headless however and no mouse or keyboard is attached so I cannot get X to work. How can I bypass this and start x? |
| 21:13.11 | nkuttler | arsen: linux has rw support for hfsplus |
| 21:13.12 | \amethyst | mrverbose: is bash your shell? |
| 21:13.21 | arsen | how ?:x |
| 21:13.31 | mrverbose | \amethyst: yes |
| 21:13.36 | arsen | i did mount -t hfsplus <ipod> |
| 21:13.45 | aedwar62834 | I have a laptop that I purchased from a friend that has debian installed on it along with an ungodly number of packages. Is there a way to return the debian installation to a base install using the package management system without reinstalling the OS? |
| 21:13.46 | nkuttler | arsen: and...? |
| 21:13.46 | Kovecses | ParoXsitiC: there is no keyboard? |
| 21:13.50 | mrverbose | \amethyst: and i can source it manually |
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| 21:13.56 | mrverbose | but thats not what i want |
| 21:13.59 | arsen | i can get on it.. but its mounted as "read only" |
| 21:14.02 | Kovecses | ParoXsitiC: hard to do anything with no keyboard |
| 21:14.04 | arsen | or .. read only filesystem. |
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| 21:14.08 | ParoXsitiC | Kovecses: no I do everything with SSH from another computer |
| 21:14.08 | Wyzard | ParoXsitiC: What's the point in installing X on a system if you're not actually going to interact with the GUI? |
| 21:14.14 | hecate355 | hellllllllllo there! |
| 21:14.23 | nkuttler | arsen: check /var/log/messages if everything went ok |
| 21:14.31 | \amethyst | arsen: -o rw perhaps |
| 21:14.35 | Wyzard | ParoXsitiC: If you want to run X apps on it and view them remotely, use vncserver |
| 21:14.41 | ParoXsitiC | Wyzard: I currently used SSH from another computer to control it. With X up i'd use vncserver to control the gui |
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| 21:14.57 | Kovecses | ParoXsitiC: oh well ... edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or similar ... and in the mouse and keyboard sections .. change them to /dev/null .... is my guess |
| 21:14.58 | \amethyst | Wyzard: you need to install X to run X apps from the server |
| 21:14.59 | arsen | cheers, il try both, let you know |
| 21:15.02 | Wyzard | ParoXsitiC: vncserver acts as its own X server... you don't need XFree86/Xorg |
| 21:15.09 | \amethyst | ah |
| 21:15.17 | hecate355 | i have a slight problem, i download netinstall CD-Image for AMD64 Sarge, but i only have dvd roms to write on, and it wont let me write this iso to DVD, it wasnt CD-R, what to do? Is there any netinstall images for DVD? |
| 21:15.31 | mrverbose | \amethyst: if i login as root the adequate .bashrc is executed |
| 21:15.33 | Coke | Kovecses: so you do not explicitly set model= in your modules.conf for that sound card? |
| 21:15.34 | Wyzard | ParoXsitiC: You need the core X libraries, but there's no need to actually run an X server that talks to the video card or keyboard or mouse |
| 21:15.44 | navaburo | I am having trouble converting my debian sarge system over to kernel 2.6.8-2-smp. I have sucessfuly done so on other systems. The error(s) are pivot_root: file(or did it say device) not found then init says cannot find dev/console then Kernel panic. |
| 21:15.44 | \amethyst | mrverbose: are permissions on your .bashrc sane? |
| 21:15.51 | Kovecses | Coke: no |
| 21:15.51 | arsen | using -o rw seems to of mounted ok.. |
| 21:15.51 | navaburo | The system boots fine under 2.4, and i suspect the issue is that my root partition is logical and is named hde5 for some reason even though it is on a sata drive (with other partitions named sdaX) |
| 21:15.53 | arsen | ill try again ;x |
| 21:16.08 | Wyzard | hecate355: There should be nothing wrong with writing a CD-sized iso to a DVD... the DVD just won't be full, that's all |
| 21:16.09 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: the X server runs on the machine with the monitor |
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| 21:16.32 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: you can use xvfb if you really need a headless X server |
| 21:16.35 | mrverbose | \amethyst: 644 like they should be |
| 21:16.41 | \amethyst | there are some Java daemons that require it |
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| 21:16.49 | mrverbose | since .bash_profile is only sourced as well |
| 21:16.55 | \amethyst | mrverbose: ? |
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| 21:17.01 | \amethyst | mrverbose: only sourced? |
| 21:17.07 | mrverbose | \amethyst: i hope so |
| 21:17.07 | ParoXsitiC | amethyst: Which solution is most viable, vncserver with X libs or xvfb |
| 21:17.19 | Wyzard | navaburo: How'd you manage to get one partition named "hde5" on a disk whose other partitions are all of the "sd" variety? |
| 21:17.28 | mrverbose | since on another debian box the permissions are the same and it works there |
| 21:17.33 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: if you want to run X apps off the server remotely, you don't need either of those, just the X libs |
| 21:17.42 | hecate355 | Wyzard but it just doesnt work, i downloaded the file from : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-amd64-netinst.iso and now Nero tells me that i need CD-Rom for this ISO file, wont let me write it on a DVD-R |
| 21:17.49 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: if you want to do so through vnc rather than X protocol, probably vncserver |
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| 21:18.19 | \amethyst | mrverbose: Is there anything funny about your .bashrc or .bash_profile at all? |
| 21:18.22 | Wyzard | hecate355: Well, that's a fault of Nero... there's probably a way to suppress that behavior; if not, use a different burning program |
| 21:18.30 | \amethyst | mrverbose: because otherwise I don't know... it works here too |
| 21:18.31 | navaburo | Wyzard: i am not sure, but some other ppl on forums also have such (hdeX on sata drive) |
| 21:18.51 | ParoXsitiC | amethyst: I just want to run a GUI bit torrent client remotely and use as litttle resources as possible. I have tried some of the console bittorrent clients and they are no good and confusing IMHO |
| 21:18.56 | mrverbose | \amethyst: not that i would know |
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| 21:19.12 | Wyzard | navaburo: Shouldn't happen afaik... and what's probably happening with the new kernel is that it's seeing the drive with the correct name (sda5 or whatever) so trying to mount hde5 fails |
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| 21:19.18 | mrverbose | same .bash_profile /.bashrc works for root |
| 21:19.24 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: ah, and you want the server's bandwidth... How fast is your connection to the server? |
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| 21:19.41 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: if the answer isn't at least T1 both ways, use either lbxproxy |
| 21:19.52 | arsen | nkuttler it said in /var/blabha/messages that it had mounted it as read only, even though i specified -o rw |
| 21:20.03 | navaburo | ok... |
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| 21:20.22 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: but I think lbxproxy runs on the client, not the server |
| 21:20.35 | ParoXsitiC | amethyst: the server has the primary internet which is using forwarding to the other machine, the connection between the 2 is 2000KB a second and the gateway (linux) (one using bittorrent) runs at 800KB |
| 21:20.37 | navaburo | Wyzard: so i could try editing grub's menu.lst to read sda5 instead of hde5 ? |
| 21:20.41 | Loof | On a totally different note... anyone know what water temperature should come out of the boiler of an espresso machine? |
| 21:21.03 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: ah, you should be fine running X over the network |
| 21:21.03 | bucky | Loof: depends on your altitude |
| 21:21.14 | arsen | 80+ |
| 21:21.14 | arsen | :p |
| 21:21.18 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: so ssh -X server xterm |
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| 21:21.31 | shogunx | navaburo i would pass that to the grub commandline first, then if it works, write it to the config file. |
| 21:21.57 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: you can try out lbxproxy if you need to reduce your bandwidth usage on the local net, but it should be fine without it |
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| 21:22.34 | ParoXsitiC | ssh -X server xterm |
| 21:22.34 | ParoXsitiC | ssh: server: Name or service not known |
| 21:22.46 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: use the server's name silly :) |
| 21:22.53 | ParoXsitiC | sorry. I am new to linux |
| 21:23.00 | shogunx | \amethyst lbxproxy will speed up terminal type X11 connections? |
| 21:23.55 | navaburo | ok |
| 21:23.56 | navaburo | here goes |
| 21:23.58 | \amethyst | shogunx: not sure what it speeds up... I don't use it myself |
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| 21:24.09 | nkuttler | arsen: hm, i'm not sure when rw was added, do you use a 2.6 kernel? maybe the guys at #debian-ppc can help |
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| 21:24.09 | Wyzard | navaburo: It'd be worth a try... you can try it out by just editing the line using grub's interactive menu at boot time, so you don't have to edit the file just to find out whether it works |
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| 21:24.21 | arsen | yeh i use latest kernel |
| 21:24.30 | ParoXsitiC | amethyst: bash: line 1: xterm: command not found |
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| 21:24.34 | shogunx | \amethyst thanx anyway |
| 21:24.38 | ParoXsitiC | it did ask for a password |
| 21:24.44 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: xterm isn't installed on the server? |
| 21:24.52 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: or is it not in the default path? |
| 21:25.00 | Wyzard | I read a study somewhere that found that SSH's X forwarding with compression ("-C") provides nearly the same level of performance as lbxproxy |
| 21:25.02 | ParoXsitiC | amethyst: no. the only thing i did was apt-get install x-windows-core kde |
| 21:25.09 | nkuttler | arsen: doesn't the log tell you a reason for not mounting it rw? |
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| 21:25.54 | arsen | Feb 25 21:15:43 joaquin kernel: HFS+-fs warning: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted, running fsck.hfsplus is recommended. mounting read-only. |
| 21:25.55 | arsen | ^^ |
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| 21:26.15 | nkuttler | arsen: i thought so. no idea how to fix it besides connecting it to a mac. |
| 21:26.23 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: well, how about ssh -X server xedit I think that's in xbase |
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| 21:26.34 | iNAP | so i installed debian and all, but it didnt find a network.. so it finishes and i restart and then it asks me for user name and pass, i put it, and then it just looks like dos |
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| 21:26.53 | ParoXsitiC | ssh -X debian xedit |
| 21:26.53 | ParoXsitiC | Password: |
| 21:26.53 | ParoXsitiC | Error: Can't open display: |
| 21:27.03 | Wyzard | iNAP: Debian doesn't install a GUI by default |
| 21:27.07 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: are you running X on the local machine? |
| 21:27.09 | iNAP | oh ok.. |
| 21:27.15 | iNAP | then i need to install X? |
| 21:27.25 | mrverbose | \amethyst: i found the reason: the .bash_profile is not executed, the .profile is instead |
| 21:27.29 | abrotman | ke6isf: d'oh!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:27.32 | ParoXsitiC | amethyst: that was part of my first question. No. X wont start because i have no mouse or keyboard |
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| 21:27.47 | nkuttler | arsen: btw, i wouldn't recommend you to use hfsplus package. |
| 21:27.47 | \amethyst | mrverbose: hm.. that should only happen if something's running sh rather than bash |
| 21:27.52 | Wyzard | iNAP: Install "x-window-system" and either "gnome-desktop-environment" or "kde" |
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| 21:27.59 | iNAP | what is recommended? |
| 21:28.14 | \amethyst | mrverbose: ah, was ENV ser perhaps? |
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| 21:28.19 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: err |
| 21:28.22 | Wyzard | iNAP: Neither is "recommended"... some people prefer GNOME, and some prefer KDE |
| 21:28.24 | shogunx | Wyzard enlighenment is pretty good too |
| 21:28.28 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: You said you were planning on sshing in |
| 21:28.31 | arsen | ok nkuttler ? |
| 21:28.35 | arsen | any other ideas?:p |
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| 21:28.45 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: I mean on the machine you're sshing from |
| 21:28.47 | iNAP | ok.. and do i need internet axx to install em? cause for some reason it doesnt notice the connection.. |
| 21:28.54 | ParoXsitiC | amethyst: that was a response to someone asking a question |
| 21:28.57 | nkuttler | arsen: connect it to a mac, put fat on it |
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| 21:29.01 | navaburo | Wyzard: thankyou. your suggestion worked. I am happily running on 2.6 now that menu.lst contains sda5 not hde5! |
| 21:29.02 | ruzgar | .tr |
| 21:29.05 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: so what do you want to do exactly? |
| 21:29.08 | Wyzard | iNAP: Those are the two main desktop environments... there's also XFCE which is more lightweight, and window managers like Fluxbox and Enlightenment if you don't want to use a full desktop environment |
| 21:29.11 | ruzgar | tr |
| 21:29.12 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: I think I may have misunderstood |
| 21:29.16 | arsen | will mac do fat without any fiddling? |
| 21:29.16 | ruzgar | *tr |
| 21:29.21 | Wyzard | navaburo: cool :-) |
| 21:29.22 | mrverbose | \amethyst: env is indeed set to sh |
| 21:29.23 | iNAP | no i want a full desktop env.. ill go with KDE |
| 21:29.39 | mrverbose | \amethyst: however sh is just a symlink to bash |
| 21:29.41 | arsen | assuming ill be able to use windows aswell if needs be with fat ?:) |
| 21:29.48 | Wyzard | arsen: I'm not a Mac user, but I'm pretty sure OSX supports FAT just fine |
| 21:29.50 | nkuttler | arsen: no idea. this is probably not the best channel to ask on :) |
| 21:29.50 | \amethyst | mrverbose: yes, but bash cares which name it was started with |
| 21:29.55 | arsen | iNAP , gnome > kde imo :p |
| 21:30.01 | ParoXsitiC | amethyst: I want to run a GUI bit torrent client on the server. but only by using the other computer (also the server is headless) |
| 21:30.03 | ruzgar | #tr |
| 21:30.08 | ruzgar | tr*+ |
| 21:30.08 | arsen | ;) |
| 21:30.10 | ruzgar | tr* |
| 21:30.12 | ruzgar | tr. |
| 21:30.15 | iNAP | well what do most people use? ill go with the crowd. |
| 21:30.18 | GloX | ParoXsitiC, try torrentflux |
| 21:30.27 | GloX | it's a web interface around bittornado |
| 21:30.30 | ruzgar | what is the name of turkish debian room |
| 21:30.34 | ruzgar | ? |
| 21:30.34 | arsen | iNAP im quite sure alot of people will tell you not to bother with kde :p |
| 21:30.42 | iNAP | ok |
| 21:30.45 | arsen | i personally would never force it on anyone :\ |
| 21:30.47 | Wyzard | iNAP: And likewise, a lot of people will tell you not to bother with GNOME |
| 21:30.49 | hamdinp | merhabalar |
| 21:30.51 | ParoXsitiC | GloX: my server does not have a browser so how would that work out exactly |
| 21:30.52 | Wyzard | iNAP: I use GNOME myself, though |
| 21:30.54 | ruzgar | merhaba |
| 21:31.01 | ruzgar | sabit diski baðlamam lazýmda |
| 21:31.02 | iNAP | so install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 21:31.06 | navaburo | ParoXsitic, you could build an ssl enabled gui for a cli app on the remote system.... |
| 21:31.06 | iNAP | now will i need the internet for it? |
| 21:31.07 | GloX | ParoXsitiC, you don't need a browser :) |
| 21:31.09 | arsen | frankly, for the larger options, its gnome vs kde, id go with gnome. |
| 21:31.10 | Wyzard | iNAP: http://www.gnome.org/ http://www.kde.org/ -- read, look at screenshots, whatever |
| 21:31.11 | ruzgar | tam kodunu bulamýyorum |
| 21:31.13 | ParoXsitiC | GloX: the point of using the server itself and not the windows machine (this one) is because the server is 24/7 |
| 21:31.14 | GloX | just a webserver |
| 21:31.38 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: ah, the other computer is Windows? |
| 21:31.41 | GloX | ParoXsitiC, torrentflux is a web interface (in php), that starts bittornado processes on the server |
| 21:31.41 | hamdinp | bende yok ama |
| 21:31.45 | ruzgar | sabit diskimin bölümü /hdb2 |
| 21:31.47 | ParoXsitiC | GloX: so it runs a bittorrent client and then its done through web interface? |
| 21:31.57 | ruzgar | dosya sistemi ntfs |
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| 21:31.59 | ParoXsitiC | GloX: I like that. |
| 21:32.07 | hamdinp | #debian.tr |
| 21:32.09 | GloX | yeh .. |
| 21:32.10 | hamdinp | egel |
| 21:32.11 | navaburo | another option is eMule (eDonkey, etc) that have nice web ifaces for p2p |
| 21:32.14 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: In general |
| 21:32.18 | ruzgar | tþk |
| 21:32.20 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: You can get an X server for Windows |
| 21:32.22 | sanmarcos | why in startup I get modules trying to be loaded twice? hotplug with e/tc/modules conflict? |
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| 21:32.47 | shogunx | navaburo about %30 of that network got raided last week. |
| 21:32.48 | GloX | you don't need anything special for torrentflux/bittornado, just a webserver |
| 21:32.52 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: you might want to look at cygwin, for example. That will let you run X programs from the server and have them display in Windows (either all inside a "X desktop" window, or as individual windows) |
| 21:32.55 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: udev/hotplug load things automatically, so maybe your /etc/modules is trying to load them when they've already been loaded by hotplug |
| 21:32.55 | navaburo | ParoXsitiC: check out NX and FreeNX if you are administering over a slow connection |
| 21:33.17 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: It's harmless, though |
| 21:33.19 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: but /etc/modules oir module init tools, whatever they call it now starts before hotplug, anyways |
| 21:33.26 | disposabl | where can i get a netinstall image with 2.6.15 kernel? debianplanet is down, debian-unofficial.org doesnt have it, google doesn't help |
| 21:33.29 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: of course its harmless, debian's init process could not be UGLIER |
| 21:33.45 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: it could be |
| 21:34.15 | ParoXsitiC | amethyst: I think i am just going to remove x and kde and use torrentflux |
| 21:34.16 | cheal | !tell disposabl about d-i |
| 21:34.20 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: at least most of the letters printed are lowercase |
| 21:34.22 | sanmarcos | \amethyst: there are no standards.. every init script does what it wants.. there are email addresses displayed in some of the drivers start up sequence.. Ubuntu tried to tidy it up a little at least |
| 21:34.26 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: It sounds strange to blame the distribution's init process when you've configured your system to load modules redundantly, but whatever |
| 21:34.49 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: I'm not saying it's pretty, but give me $5 and I can make it worse |
| 21:34.51 | disposabl | cheal: been there, done it. only 2.6.12. i need a kernel with modules for nvidia gigabit lan |
| 21:35.03 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: I did not configure anything to do redundatly. It should JUST WORK. |
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| 21:35.18 | cheal | disposabl: testing has 2.6.15 on i386 since a while |
| 21:35.18 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: You sound like you're more interested in ranting against Debian's appearance than in actually fixing any sort of problem |
| 21:35.19 | sanmarcos | \amethyst: ill give you money if you make it better |
| 21:35.22 | vin` | sanmarcos: fix it, file a bug etc. |
| 21:35.30 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: it wont get fix. Be realist |
| 21:35.38 | ParoXsitiC | With that said. What is the Best way to totally reverse x-window-core and kde. I know that apt-get remove is not the best way |
| 21:35.41 | sanmarcos | s/fix/fixed |
| 21:35.42 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: And it *does* just work -- hotplug is loading the modules automatically when it sees what hardware is present |
| 21:35.42 | disposabl | cheal: but not the netinst or business card install one |
| 21:36.04 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: *You* added lines to /etc/modules that don't actually need to be there |
| 21:36.06 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: convince developers that it needs fixing |
| 21:36.10 | shogunx | sanmarcos here is your solution: take the head off of the machine, and the boot sequence will be beautiful. |
| 21:36.21 | cheal | disposabl: they should. when did you try last? |
| 21:36.30 | \amethyst | I am not terribly interested in dealing with debian bureaucracy and politics myself |
| 21:36.30 | sanmarcos | yes anyways, bye |
| 21:36.54 | disposabl | cheal: 10 minutes ago i downloaded the biz card one. 2.6.12 |
| 21:36.56 | \amethyst | Native AmE speakers... should that have been `needs fixing' or `needs fixed' |
| 21:37.00 | \amethyst | Wyzard: he wants a Mac |
| 21:37.20 | cheal | disposabl: hum, I doubt that. from which URL did you get the ISO? |
| 21:37.21 | vin` | Wyzard: flame bait from a dodobuntu? |
| 21:37.28 | Wyzard | I was about to point out that there actually *is* some work being done on the initscripts, I believe -- making them use common LSB functions and enabling parallel init |
| 21:37.53 | disposabl | debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ the link for etch business card |
| 21:38.06 | disposabl | cheal: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ the link for etch business card |
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| 21:38.54 | arsen | whats the fundamental difference between netinst & businesscard?:o |
| 21:39.00 | arsen | .. aside from size. |
| 21:39.01 | resiak | the latter is smaller |
| 21:39.03 | resiak | that's it |
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| 21:39.11 | resiak | I have the latter in my wallet, and the former on my cd spindle |
| 21:39.15 | arsen | well what happened to the 50mb?:) |
| 21:39.18 | Wyzard | arsen: netinst contains the base system (the fundamental set of required packages); businesscard doesn't, and needs a network connection to install even that |
| 21:39.26 | arsen | righto, :) |
| 21:39.28 | resiak | more stuff needs to be ... what he said |
| 21:39.33 | arsen | ty. |
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| 21:39.47 | arsen | also, where can i buy a businesscard cd to write it to? :D |
| 21:39.54 | arsen | i want a deb businesscard xD |
| 21:40.06 | resiak | I bought mine in Hong Kong. I suspect I could have found them closer to the UK than that ;) |
| 21:40.34 | Wyzard | I've never really seen the point of the netinst... if you need a network connection anyway at installation time, you might as well just go with the businesscard |
| 21:40.39 | \amethyst | arsen: google for business card cdr |
| 21:40.52 | arsen | funny thing is |
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| 21:40.55 | arsen | i just did, exactly that ;) |
| 21:40.59 | Wyzard | especially since the businesscard lets you pick which kernel (-386, -686, -k7, etc.) to install, while netinst always installs -386 |
| 21:41.14 | plugwash | otoh i belive buiscard contains a wider selection of kernels than netinst |
| 21:41.16 | arsen | thats what i was thinking, Wyzard |
| 21:41.17 | \amethyst | arsen: http://www.digitalcdr.com/ has custom shapes including stars |
| 21:41.22 | iNAP | why is it when i type install gnome-desktop-environment i get a error saying something like too few arguments, use install --help |
| 21:41.38 | Wyzard | plugwash: Actually, it doesn't contain any kernels at all, but it lets you pick which one to download |
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| 21:41.41 | arsen | iNAP, "apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment" |
| 21:41.41 | plugwash | personally i think they should make a pure netinst image that contains only the bare minimum needed to kick off an install |
| 21:41.44 | disposabl | cheal: cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso is what i have |
| 21:41.49 | iNAP | oh bah |
| 21:41.50 | iNAP | hehe |
| 21:41.50 | iNAP | brb |
| 21:41.51 | Wyzard | plugwash: netinst does contain a kernel, but only one -- the -386 one -- so it always installs that |
| 21:42.04 | plugwash | Wyzard yep |
| 21:42.10 | Wyzard | plugwash: That's pretty much what the businesscard is, AFAIK |
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| 21:42.33 | plugwash | Wyzard no buisnesscard has loads of kernels on it so it hardly counts are bare minimum |
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| 21:42.59 | Wyzard | plugwash: You missed what I said a moment ago -- I'm pretty sure it doesn't *contain* any kernels at all, and just downloads one at installation time |
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| 21:43.08 | \amethyst | err |
| 21:43.18 | \amethyst | how does it boot without some kernel? |
| 21:43.40 | plugwash | then why is it 40 megs?! |
| 21:43.43 | Wyzard | hehe, good point -- I guess that came out wrong |
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| 21:43.56 | plugwash | when 3 floppies are sufficiant to kick off a debian install |
| 21:44.08 | Wyzard | It contains a basic kernel to be used by the installer... but it doesn't contain any kernel .debs to be installed onto the hard drive like netinst does |
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| 21:44.38 | Wyzard | plugwash: Drivers for hardware, mostly... the 3 floppies you mention are just for the installer software itself, but then there are a bunch more floppies containing driver modules |
| 21:44.51 | Wyzard | plugwash: An installer isn't very useful if it doesn't know how to talk to your hard drive controller or your network card |
| 21:44.59 | disposabl | Wyzard: where are those floppies? |
| 21:45.06 | plugwash | true i guess you might need more if installing on exotic hardware |
| 21:45.15 | plugwash | i did it with boot root and net-drivers |
| 21:45.18 | Wyzard | disposabl: dunno these days... I haven't done a floppy install of Debian in years |
| 21:45.32 | hecate355 | Ok, someone tell me, how can i get debian's netinstall for AMD64 work on DVD? |
| 21:45.35 | disposabl | Wyzard: i need extra modules for nvidia gigabit lan |
| 21:45.39 | Wyzard | disposabl: but a few releases ago, around potato or so, there were a total of 7 floppies -- 3 for the installer, 4 for drivers |
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| 21:45.43 | hecate355 | there's only CD images wich dont let me write em on DVD-rom! |
| 21:46.07 | Eulex | hecate355, umh, get a blank cd? |
| 21:46.07 | \amethyst | hecate355: can't you write ISOs to DVDs? |
| 21:46.16 | Wyzard | hecate355: The CD images are not preventing themselves from being written to DVD. Your burning software is preventing them from being written to DVD, for no good reason. |
| 21:46.21 | Wyzard | hecate355: Use a different burning program. |
| 21:46.24 | Wyzard | \amethyst: Nero doesn't let him |
| 21:46.24 | hecate355 | \amethyst every other ISO file works fine, but not Sarge ones |
| 21:46.32 | wols | \amethyst: different filesystems ISO9660 vs UDF iirc |
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| 21:46.37 | \amethyst | wols: err |
| 21:46.46 | Wyzard | wols: iso9660 works fine on DVDs |
| 21:46.49 | plugwash | hmm i got the floppy images from ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian3.1r1/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy but i can only see 4 there |
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| 21:46.56 | wols | ok, then it's eltorito probably |
| 21:47.01 | hecate355 | Wyzard but, i tried windows default cd writer aswell |
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| 21:47.05 | hecate355 | Wyzard what program should i use then? |
| 21:47.08 | iNAP | ok new problem =( |
| 21:47.09 | Wyzard | wols: El Torito is part of iso9660, and also works fine on DVDs |
| 21:47.13 | iNAP | it tells me it couldnt find the package, or something along those lines.. |
| 21:47.41 | Wyzard | hecate355: The built-in Windows CD-burning support doesn't support burning isos, I believe, but I think I've seen a plugin (available as a free download) which adds that capability to it |
| 21:47.47 | resiak | !vaguenesssmite iNAP |
| 21:47.49 | Wyzard | hecate355: dunno what it's called though... use Google |
| 21:48.05 | \amethyst | hecate355: oh, you don't have Linux installed yet to burn it from the command line |
| 21:48.10 | \amethyst | well |
| 21:48.27 | iNAP | =/ |
| 21:48.31 | arsen | hecate355 bao may be of use (google bao, burn at once, or wahtever) |
| 21:48.33 | shogunx | loadlin? |
| 21:48.46 | \amethyst | cdrecord has been ported to Windows, hasn't it? |
| 21:48.57 | Wyzard | hecate355: Use a different computer, or ask someone to give you a CD-R? |
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| 21:49.10 | arsen | iNAP, gnome-desktop-environment moaning about dependancies? |
| 21:49.18 | iNAP | hu? |
| 21:49.24 | arsen | the error, what was it.. |
| 21:49.29 | iNAP | after i typed |
| 21:49.42 | iNAP | apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 21:49.42 | ParoXsitiC | How do i completely remove kde |
| 21:49.42 | cheal | disposabl: let me grab it so I can be sure it's the right kernel |
| 21:49.53 | iNAP | it said looking for something, and then said could find package |
| 21:49.56 | iNAP | somethin like that. |
| 21:50.02 | arsen | .. |
| 21:50.04 | arsen | you have to be SPECIFIC |
| 21:50.08 | iNAP | well |
| 21:50.10 | nkuttler | ParoXsitiC: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 21:50.13 | iNAP | when i installed debian |
| 21:50.19 | iNAP | i had a problem that it didnt find my network |
| 21:50.25 | iNAP | so possibly it didnt download the packages needed |
| 21:50.31 | iNAP | and maybe gnome was 1 of them |
| 21:50.33 | iNAP | so its missing |
| 21:50.35 | useruser | iNAP: are you running sid? |
| 21:50.52 | Eulex | !installit |
| 21:50.52 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 21:50.57 | Eulex | iNAP, ^^ |
| 21:50.58 | Wyzard | iNAP: Not that it didn't download the packages at installation time... it's trying to download the GNOME packages *now*, and failing |
| 21:51.17 | Wyzard | iNAP: It doesn't pre-download every package under the sun in case you might someday want to install it; it downloads things when you install them |
| 21:51.20 | ParoXsitiC | nkuttler: the 'apt-get --purge remove kdelibs' command removes a 60KB file......I seriously doubt KDE is gone |
| 21:51.21 | Eulex | iNAP, debian won't install gnome if you don't tell it to, in some way or another |
| 21:51.28 | Wyzard | iNAP: Anyway, you need to get your network connection working |
| 21:51.45 | iNAP | obviously its workin threw windows |
| 21:51.48 | Wyzard | iNAP: What kind of network card do you have? |
| 21:51.49 | iNAP | i mean im connected all the time |
| 21:51.52 | arsen | his connection MAY be fine, i cant currently apt-get install gnome ;) not sure if openh323 is fixed yet? |
| 21:52.14 | nkuttler | hm |
| 21:52.15 | useruser | ParoXsitiC: apt-cache show kdelibs|grep ^Depends and remove all of them |
| 21:52.17 | Wyzard | arsen: No, he already said earlier that his network wasn't set up during installation |
| 21:52.17 | hecate355 | goooosh, i have tried to install linux for 4 hours now:D |
| 21:52.19 | iNAP | i have 2, 1 that i need to install threw a cd, and a diff 1 that also usually works fine also |
| 21:52.23 | arsen | ah, ok ;) |
| 21:52.31 | nkuttler | ~remove kde |
| 21:52.33 | apt | [remove kde] apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 21:52.34 | iNAP | so i put my cat5 in the mobo 1 |
| 21:52.39 | arsen | net-setup eth0 && ifconfig |
| 21:52.41 | iNAP | i mean both are from the mobo |
| 21:52.47 | Wyzard | hecate355: You mean you've tried to get Nero to let you burn a small iso to a DVD |
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| 21:53.13 | Wyzard | hecate355: You're not even doing anything with Linux at this point |
| 21:53.48 | ParoXsitiC | useruser: thanks |
| 21:54.00 | iNAP | arsen: ill try that. |
| 21:54.48 | arsen | xD |
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| 21:55.12 | arsen | it wasnt me.. ;\ |
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| 21:56.21 | francis__ | can a device really be busy with lsof /dev/device doesn't give any output? |
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| 21:56.25 | cheal | disposabl: the business card does have 2.6.15, not 2.6.12 |
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| 21:56.32 | \amethyst | francis__: what device? |
| 21:56.32 | Wyzard | francis__: yes |
| 21:56.41 | disposabl | give me the link then please |
| 21:56.50 | francis__ | I can't unmount my usb drive because I'm told that, but lsof /dev/sda1 (which it's mounted) gives nothing |
| 21:56.58 | francis__ | Wyzard: is there anything I can do? |
| 21:57.10 | Wyzard | francis__: At least, yes in the sense of trying to unload the driver module which provides that device |
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| 21:57.25 | Eulex | francis__, lsof|grep mounpoint |
| 21:57.30 | Eulex | *mountpoint |
| 21:57.31 | \amethyst | francis__: lsof +d mountpoint |
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| 21:57.48 | cheal | disposabl: the one you gave me |
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| 21:58.00 | Coke | How can I tell what version of ALSA is included in the 2.6.15 kernel? |
| 21:58.02 | Wyzard | francis__: Oh... you want to look at the mountpoint, not the device that's mounted... use "fuser -m" on the mountpoint |
| 21:58.16 | \amethyst | francis__: err lsof +D mountpoint rather |
| 21:58.24 | Wyzard | francis__: Actually, from the manpage, it looks like "fuser -m" might actually work on the device file too |
| 21:58.38 | cheal | Coke: ask #alsa |
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| 21:58.46 | RedDrag0n | Greetings, anybody know how to install X cursor themes? I've tried gcursor and a few tutorials on the net but no one works :( |
| 21:58.47 | francis__ | francis@student1418:/media> lsof +d /media/usb |
| 21:58.47 | francis__ | francis@student1418:/media> fuser -m /media/usb |
| 21:58.47 | francis__ | francis@student1418:/media> lsof|grep /media/usb |
| 21:58.53 | disposabl | cheal: i ran the installer. swithed to tty2 after it had tole me it had no driver for my nic and when i typed uname , i got 2.6.12 |
| 21:58.57 | francis__ | (they all give no output, that is) |
| 21:59.15 | cheal | disposabl: just mout the iso. you'll see the modules for 2.6.15 |
| 21:59.20 | \amethyst | francis__: and what does umount say again? |
| 21:59.29 | Wyzard | francis__: Try it as root -- as a normal user, I don't think it shows usage by other users |
| 21:59.34 | francis__ | francis@student1418:/media> umount /media/usb |
| 21:59.34 | francis__ | umount: /media/usb: device is busy |
| 21:59.37 | \amethyst | francis__: oh, yeah, are you root? |
| 21:59.44 | francis__ | Wyzard: ok, will do. |
| 22:00.01 | francis__ | aha! That did it. Thank you guys :D |
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| 22:00.06 | francis__ | silly mistake |
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| 22:00.12 | iNAP | error: net-setup command not found |
| 22:00.14 | disposabl | cheal: where are th emodules? |
| 22:00.43 | cheal | disposabl: pool/main/l/linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6 |
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| 22:01.08 | Andy052 | where will i find the procmailrc file? |
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| 22:01.22 | iNAP | arsen: it told me net-setup command not found =/ |
| 22:01.34 | \amethyst | Andy052: ~/.procmailrc |
| 22:01.38 | arsen | do it as superuser. |
| 22:01.46 | iNAP | not as root? |
| 22:01.48 | \amethyst | Andy052: if one doesn't exist, you can create it |
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| 22:01.58 | arsen | superuser == root |
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| 22:02.05 | iNAP | then i did it as root |
| 22:02.08 | iNAP | and thats what i got |
| 22:02.10 | disposabl | cheal: i still dont understand why uname game 2.6.12. but it doesn't have the modules i need anyway. i still need something alternative |
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| 22:02.27 | \amethyst | Andy052: also some stuff in /etc --- see the FILES section of man procmail |
| 22:02.28 | Andy052 | \amethyst: how? :) |
| 22:02.30 | cheal | disposabl: I don't neither |
| 22:02.41 | disposabl | cheal: :) |
| 22:02.42 | \amethyst | Andy052: man procmail procmailrc procmailex |
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| 22:02.44 | \amethyst | Andy052: read |
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| 22:03.08 | arsen | ugh |
| 22:03.14 | \amethyst | Andy052: there is a short sample at the end of man procmail, the syntax is in man procmailrc, and there are more examples in man procmailex |
| 22:03.14 | arsen | whats the command im lookign for :s |
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| 22:03.30 | bazboo | I have kernel 2.6.15.4 with inotify support enabled, but I'm not getting any startup messages from it, which I need to figure out what major and minor numbers to use for the inotify device. |
| 22:03.41 | arsen | sorry iNAP , im in gentoo mode, not debian xD |
| 22:03.48 | cheal | disposabl: Stevie mentionned that Etch isos were broken yesterday. I'm going to investigate that |
| 22:03.52 | iNAP | heh its cool. |
| 22:04.01 | Andy052 | so should i create it in /etc/? |
| 22:04.09 | iNAP | mm.. so no one knows the command? hah |
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| 22:04.20 | arsen | "ifconfig" should do similar to ipconfig in windows, if you know windows |
| 22:04.25 | \amethyst | Andy052: is this supposed to affect all email users, or a particular user? |
| 22:04.29 | arsen | ie, display your network interfaces, ip's etc. |
| 22:04.43 | hecate355 | wich one you guys recommend, xfree of xorg? |
| 22:04.44 | iNAP | i know windows |
| 22:04.52 | \amethyst | hecate355: xorg if you have the choice |
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| 22:04.54 | cheal | hecate355: the one in your release |
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| 22:05.07 | hecate355 | cheal I gonna have sarge |
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| 22:05.12 | \amethyst | xfree then |
| 22:05.16 | cheal | hecate355: XFree86 |
| 22:05.21 | iNAP | so the command is ifconfig |
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| 22:05.46 | just1primate | anyone know why the kernel is now held back in testing? |
| 22:05.47 | hecate355 | cheal hmm, werent they supposed to get xorg on a later debian releases when Woody was the stable version? |
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| 22:06.06 | \amethyst | hecate355: it will be xorg in etch |
| 22:06.08 | arsen | xorg is on testing |
| 22:06.10 | arsen | ie etch |
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| 22:06.37 | hecate355 | well but anyway, should i use Etch or Sarge then? wich one of you recommend? |
| 22:06.38 | Coke | Kovecses: any idea how I can use my own ALSA download with the 2.6.15.4 kernel source tree? |
| 22:06.47 | hecate355 | and why is xorg better than xfree? besides transparency? |
| 22:06.48 | cheal | hecate355: yes |
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| 22:07.02 | \amethyst | xfree86 is no longer free |
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| 22:07.27 | cheal | hecate355: xorg has a DFSG-free license, as opposed to the current XFree86 |
| 22:07.29 | wols | \amethyst: it is. it's just not Free |
| 22:07.39 | \amethyst | I don't use free to mean beer |
| 22:07.47 | just1primate | anyone know why the kernel is now held back in testing? |
| 22:07.57 | cheal | just1primate: what do you mean? |
| 22:07.58 | hecate355 | oh god, if xfree is not free and i gonna install Sarge...and cant pay for xfree, what x-windows i gonna use:S? |
| 22:08.16 | wols | hecate355: the version in sarge is Free |
| 22:08.17 | cheal | !xwindows |
| 22:08.18 | dpkg | xwindows is probably NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 22:08.22 | just1primate | when upgrading to testing, it now appears the kernel is held back |
| 22:08.32 | just1primate | ie not upgradeable |
| 22:08.37 | cheal | just1primate: upgrading from what? |
| 22:08.47 | just1primate | stable |
| 22:09.10 | wols | just1primate: debian never updates your kernel. you have to do that manually |
| 22:09.10 | just1primate | ok.... |
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| 22:09.11 | just1primate | previously |
| 22:09.15 | wols | or rather: explicitly |
| 22:09.21 | just1primate | when doing a dist-upgrade from stable install to testing |
| 22:09.23 | LordDoskias | does debian possess some main maintainer etc? |
| 22:09.37 | just1primate | it would dist-upgrade the kernel to 2.6.12 |
| 22:09.41 | just1primate | no it doesn't |
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| 22:09.47 | just1primate | er..now |
| 22:09.52 | wols | LordDoskias: debian is a democracy of debian maintainers. they have a release manager and "head of debian project" etc |
| 22:10.08 | cheal | LordDoskias: what do you mean by "main"? |
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| 22:11.07 | LordDoskias | i mean someone who can be called "the boss" , so that he is irreplaceable |
| 22:11.15 | LordDoskias | something like the owner |
| 22:11.21 | \amethyst | LordDoskias: no |
| 22:11.43 | LordDoskias | did it have in the past? |
| 22:11.51 | LordDoskias | who is the creator of the idea of debian? |
| 22:11.51 | \amethyst | Ian Murdock started it |
| 22:11.56 | cheal | just1primate: it depends on which packages you have installed |
| 22:12.22 | LordDoskias | does he develop it now |
| 22:12.30 | cheal | LordDoskias: there is no "idea of Debian". Ian Murdock founded Debian |
| 22:12.50 | cheal | LordDoskias: not much |
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| 22:13.08 | \amethyst | LordDoskias: He went on to found Progeny |
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| 22:14.16 | beardy | !tell d4t2ilLa -about root |
| 22:14.55 | hecate355 | Should i use Etch or Sarge on AMD64? I wanna use xorg normally... |
| 22:15.24 | arsen | do you know why you want to use xorg? |
| 22:15.36 | hecate355 | arsen because of transparency:P? |
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| 22:15.41 | hecate355 | and its better as i got told |
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| 22:17.15 | useruser | anyone know how to configure k3b without using k3bsetup (which is borked in sid)? |
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| 22:17.31 | d4t2ilLa | hello |
| 22:17.38 | arsen | hello :) |
| 22:17.48 | RedDrag0n | Anybody knows how to install X cursor themes in Debian? |
| 22:17.56 | d4t2ilLa | hi arsen |
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| 22:18.52 | d4t2ilLa | RedDrag0n I am having trouble installing X windows myself. Trouble in setting up xfree86 to work with my gforce 6600gt |
| 22:19.05 | \amethyst | !xwindows |
| 22:19.05 | dpkg | i heard xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 22:19.07 | iNAP | ok i found 1 of my problems.. the inet is addressed to 127.0.0.1 and i need to change that |
| 22:19.16 | iNAP | now i looked at ifconfig --help and didnt understand how i can change it |
| 22:19.17 | iNAP | so.. |
| 22:19.18 | wols | nv or nvidia driver? |
| 22:19.30 | arsen | nvidia. |
| 22:19.34 | \amethyst | iNAP: that was probably lo0 |
| 22:19.35 | RedDrag0n | d4t2ilLa: try using the default drivers? I have no idea about Linux with new video cards :(, sorry |
| 22:19.42 | wols | iNAP: edit you /etc/initerfaces. ifconfig is the wrong way |
| 22:19.51 | ParoXsitiC | okay I have apt-get php4 and apache and mySQL. how do i get PHP running? when i try to view a php file it asks mt o download it instead of run it |
| 22:19.59 | \amethyst | iNAP: indeed, /etc/interfaces |
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| 22:20.17 | \amethyst | iNAP: man interfaces will tell you more |
| 22:20.25 | \amethyst | iNAP: do you have DHCP or a static IP? |
| 22:20.25 | iNAP | so i do cd /etc/interfaces |
| 22:20.29 | iNAP | dhcp |
| 22:20.31 | \amethyst | iNAP: it's a file |
| 22:20.52 | \amethyst | err |
| 22:20.52 | iNAP | i dont have any desktop envornemtn though |
| 22:20.53 | kronoz | wols: the nvidia driver can have some issues |
| 22:20.55 | \amethyst | moment |
| 22:20.56 | iNAP | i m still in the dos-like |
| 22:21.00 | d4t2ilLa | wols, I tried nv, but X failed to start |
| 22:21.02 | iNAP | cause i need to install gnome.. and i need a connection |
| 22:21.06 | iNAP | so im working on that |
| 22:21.09 | wols | ParoXsitiC: set your mimetypes properly. tho, it should have been done when you installed php4 |
| 22:21.20 | wols | ParoXsitiC: you did install mod-php4, right? |
| 22:21.24 | \amethyst | iNAP: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:21.37 | wols | kronoz: which is why I asked |
| 22:21.48 | ParoXsitiC | wols: no |
| 22:21.56 | ParoXsitiC | just php4 |
| 22:22.10 | iNAP | \amethyst: what do i do with that though? |
| 22:22.11 | \amethyst | iNAP: add the lines "auto eth0" then "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 22:22.20 | \amethyst | without the quotes |
| 22:22.22 | wols | ParoXsitiC: apache2 or apache? |
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| 22:22.30 | iNAP | to where though |
| 22:22.30 | \amethyst | iNAP: man interfaces for more information |
| 22:22.42 | iNAP | the command is man interfaces? |
| 22:22.43 | \amethyst | iNAP: /etc/network/interfaces. do you know how to edit text files? |
| 22:22.44 | wols | iNAP: and you haven't read the interfaces manpage or you would know where that file is |
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| 22:22.58 | wols | \amethyst: don't spoonfeed him or he will never learn |
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| 22:23.02 | iNAP | i know how to edit text files.. but im still in the dos way |
| 22:23.08 | \amethyst | iNAP: man interfaces gives you the manual page on the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 22:23.24 | iNAP | ok |
| 22:23.25 | disposabl | cheal: i've just downloaded netinst instead of bizcard and the same thing uname -r shows 2.6.12-1-386. :( |
| 22:23.39 | wols | disposabl: and that is bad why? |
| 22:23.41 | ParoXsitiC | wols: i am not sure. i just did apt-get install apache |
| 22:23.44 | \amethyst | iNAP: 1. It's called "the shell" (and, when it's not in an xterm, "the console"). 2. You'll need to learn it |
| 22:23.44 | shogunx | iNAP thats called a shell or command line interface |
| 22:23.54 | disposabl | wols: cheal knows :) |
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| 22:23.56 | wols | ParoXsitiC: that's apache then. so install libapache-mod-php4 |
| 22:24.12 | ParoXsitiC | libapache-mod-php4 is already the newest version. |
| 22:24.13 | wols | disposabl: great for cheap, but I don't see him answering |
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| 22:24.18 | iNAP | ok gotcha |
| 22:24.46 | \amethyst | iNAP: once you read the man page, edit that file (emacs /etc/network/interfaces or some other editor) |
| 22:25.00 | iNAP | ok |
| 22:25.02 | \amethyst | iNAP: you should make an effort to learn either emacs or vi |
| 22:25.13 | \amethyst | iNAP: otherwise you will go to Hell |
| 22:25.15 | disposabl | wols: i didn't give him aquestion |
| 22:26.00 | cheal | disposabl: I'm trying to boot the business card |
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| 22:27.21 | hecate355 | ok time to start installing finally! |
| 22:28.02 | d4t2ilLa | hmmm bitchx |
| 22:28.26 | \amethyst | bitchx is just tacky :) |
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| 22:28.52 | cheal | disposabl: the business card does seem to be broken |
| 22:28.59 | cheal | disposabl: kernel 2.6.12 |
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| 22:29.33 | disposabl | cheal: so is the netinst. it doesn't even support ext3 or reiserfs |
| 22:30.03 | ParoXsitiC | okay I have apt-get php4 and apache and mySQL. how do i get PHP running? when i try to view a php file it asks mt o download it instead of run it |
| 22:30.12 | cheal | disposabl: no wonder |
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| 22:30.51 | d4t2ilLa | wols what gfx card have you got? |
| 22:30.55 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: libapache-mod-php4 |
| 22:30.55 | disposabl | cheal i'm officially pissed off |
| 22:31.13 | zophy_ | what reads these ebook .lit files ? |
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| 22:31.54 | d4t2ilLa | ms reader |
| 22:31.59 | ParoXsitiC | amethyst: i have libapache-mod-php4 |
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| 22:33.23 | cheal | disposabl: the breakage has been reported 15 h ago. try a weekly build |
| 22:33.32 | PowerPC | how many discs do i really need to install debian 3.1 r0a? |
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| 22:34.05 | disposabl | cheal: gimme the link, I thought this was the weekly build |
| 22:34.07 | cheal | PowerPC: wouldn't you want to install 3.1r1? |
| 22:34.17 | PowerPC | either way |
| 22:34.28 | PowerPC | how many would i need for r1? |
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| 22:35.05 | cheal | disposabl: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ for the full CDs. I'm not sure where netinsts would be |
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| 22:35.17 | cheal | PowerPC: 1, if you want to install from CD |
| 22:35.34 | james__ | I have installed asterisk-gtk-console . Can anyone tell me how to launch it? |
| 22:35.47 | PowerPC | cheal that was what i was planning on |
| 22:35.47 | PowerPC | lol |
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| 22:36.19 | disposabl | cheal : thx |
| 22:36.37 | PowerPC | thx cheal |
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| 22:39.52 | ParoXsitiC | I figured out my problem, i simply did not restart apache |
| 22:40.15 | \amethyst | ParoXsitiC: hm... installing a new apache module should cause it to restart ordinarily |
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| 22:43.09 | prock | ok I'm stumped... I've purged and re-installed apache2 and the apache2 php4 module but firefox still wants to download a phtml file. |
| 22:43.26 | prock | I've got two systems with the exact same packages and the stock config, one works, the other doesn't |
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| 22:43.52 | cafuego | prock: Is apache2 set up to interpret .phtml as php? |
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| 22:44.22 | cafuego | prock: Is apache2 set up OK, bt is firefox caching the wrong version of the reponse? Did you restart firefox after trashing its cache? |
| 22:44.33 | Crell42 | Greetings. I'm having some issues with a CD burner under Sarge with K3b. K3bSetup detects the device properly, and it shows up in the Configure K3b panel. When I try to burn a CD image, however, there is no burning device available. Any suggestions? |
| 22:45.26 | prock | cafuego: firefox had it cached. Thanks so much for the tip :) |
| 22:46.07 | Crell42 | hm? |
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| 22:47.19 | sylvinus | wherwhere is the debian-unofficial chan ? |
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| 22:48.49 | stagge | hi guys :) |
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| 22:50.00 | james__ | can anyone tell me where / how to launch the asterisk-gtk-console which I have installed using the saptic package manage? this is killing me :( |
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| 22:51.02 | blondie | IT'S OFFICIAL! GENTOO IS THE BIGGEST WASTE OF TIME.... EVER! |
| 22:51.03 | blondie | :| |
| 22:51.20 | abrotman | blondie: news at ... wait .. everyone already knew |
| 22:51.27 | stagge | could anybody recommend me a instant messaging suite for debian? it should support icq and msn :) ... and it should not be gaim (it seems to me that gaim doesn't work very well) |
| 22:51.36 | cheal | blondie: don't break your Shift key |
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| 22:51.49 | blondie | cheal: don't worry, I have caps lock too! |
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| 22:52.15 | d4t2ilLa | ls -l |
| 22:52.16 | abrotman | stagge: gaim |
| 22:52.17 | cheal | blondie: CapsLock is even worst. Gentoo isn't worth your CapsLock. |
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| 22:52.26 | Crell42 | stagge : If you don't like Gaim, try Kopete. |
| 22:52.27 | blondie | :\ |
| 22:52.34 | stagge | thank you |
| 22:52.34 | ihavenoni | hi |
| 22:52.45 | abrotman | Crell42: doesn't kopete use the gaim communication libraries? |
| 22:52.45 | Unity | kopete sacks logging last time i checked |
| 22:52.55 | Unity | sacks = lacks |
| 22:53.02 | stagge | gaim does only show the icq numbers instead of the nicks... thats why i dont like it :( |
| 22:53.08 | GloX | question, why does debian install exim ? Is there a lighter version that doesn't install it ? |
| 22:53.14 | \amethyst | stagge: you can get info and set the nick |
| 22:53.22 | Crell42 | abrotman : Kopete, Gaim, Trillian, and Psi all share various pieces of back-end code, I think. |
| 22:53.22 | blondie | GloX: because you need an MTA? |
| 22:53.23 | Zugschlus | GloX: debian needs a local MTA installed |
| 22:53.25 | blondie | and exim is good |
| 22:53.31 | Zugschlus | and exim happens to be the default |
| 22:53.36 | GloX | and what if I don't need mail ? |
| 22:53.39 | stagge | amethyst: its a huge work to set every name by hand :( |
| 22:53.41 | blondie | you do need mail |
| 22:53.43 | Crell42 | No one knows from K3b? |
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| 22:53.50 | \amethyst | stagge: yeah |
| 22:53.55 | nadjyla | hello |
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| 22:53.56 | blondie | you just think you don't |
| 22:54.14 | stagge | I'll try kopete... thx in the mean time :) |
| 22:54.30 | GloX | well, I'm just using it to run vmware server on |
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| 22:54.44 | GloX | so why running an mta, if I don't use it for anything else ? |
| 22:54.46 | cheal | stagge: you mean a multi-protocol IM client? it's not like there were many choices. Kopete |
| 22:54.52 | blondie | GloX: because you need one |
| 22:54.53 | GloX | ah well |
| 22:54.57 | blondie | don't aruge |
| 22:54.59 | blondie | *argue |
| 22:54.59 | stagge | cheal: thx! |
| 22:55.09 | blondie | it's used locally if for nothing else |
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| 22:55.25 | \amethyst | GloX: because programs that need to send mail on Unix don't generally include SMTP-handling code |
| 22:55.43 | techmydeck | hey =) |
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| 22:56.03 | \amethyst | I suppose it would theoretically be possible to rig up an MDA to provide /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 22:56.12 | \amethyst | then you could do without the mta |
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| 22:57.22 | Estes | Hi everyone, anyone knows in which package is the utility dig ? |
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| 22:57.44 | liable | dnsutils |
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| 22:58.26 | Blissex | Estes: in general, use 'apt-cache search ...' |
| 22:58.34 | godmachine81 | why does so many people have problems with the nvidia drivers? |
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| 22:58.38 | liable | or in that case apt-file |
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| 22:59.05 | \amethyst | Blissex: err, apt-cache search dig produces a lot of irrelevant output |
| 22:59.23 | \amethyst | Blissex: and does not produce dnsutils |
| 22:59.42 | avar | apt-cache show dig |
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| 23:00.00 | Crell42 | Hm, correction. It only cannot detect the burner as a user. If K3b is run as root, it works fine. |
| 23:00.20 | Crell42 | Hm. Wasn't there a problem like this in kernel 2.6.8? |
| 23:00.20 | liable | Crell42: dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord |
| 23:00.24 | \amethyst | Crell42: do you belong to group cdrom? |
| 23:00.35 | L33TrDaNu | I have a script I want to run as 'me'. Is there a way that I can set it so any user that runs the script, it runs as me =) |
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| 23:00.38 | L33TrDaNu | ? |
| 23:00.46 | \amethyst | L33TrDaNu: with a script, not really |
| 23:00.47 | Crell42 | \amethyst : Yep. |
| 23:01.02 | The | hi guys! do you know which port is used for rdate servers? |
| 23:01.06 | \amethyst | L33TrDaNu: with an executable, chmod u+s it, but that doesn't work on scripts |
| 23:01.13 | L33TrDaNu | \amethyst: ok, say a program |
| 23:01.15 | \amethyst | Crell42: and it's mode 660? |
| 23:01.25 | L33TrDaNu | \amethyst: ah crap, that is why it isn't working |
| 23:01.36 | \amethyst | L33TrDaNu: but you should think abou the security implications |
| 23:01.52 | Crell42 | \amethyst \amethyst : /dev/hdc is 666 actually. |
| 23:02.00 | liable | Crell42: dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord |
| 23:02.17 | Crell42 | liable : I did, and set it to suid root. |
| 23:02.22 | \amethyst | L33TrDaNu: if it has any command line arguments that can make it exec arbitrary programs, they can fuck you |
| 23:02.47 | L33TrDaNu | \amethyst: it is a dumb SocketServer, which relays data |
| 23:03.08 | L33TrDaNu | \amethyst: but I need it to run as apache so other apache processes can talk to it |
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| 23:03.21 | L33TrDaNu | \amethyst: i wanted to do so without have to do 'su apache -c ...' |
| 23:03.22 | Estes | Blissex, i did, i returned me LOTS of results |
| 23:03.28 | \amethyst | L33TrDaNu: why? |
| 23:03.51 | \amethyst | L33TrDaNu: what's wrong with su ? |
| 23:03.57 | Estes | avar, there's no package called dig |
| 23:03.59 | L33TrDaNu | \amethyst: cause my socket is only leeting apache talk to it |
| 23:04.03 | \amethyst | Estes: dnsutils |
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| 23:04.13 | Estes | \amethyst, thanks |
| 23:04.13 | L33TrDaNu | \amethyst: i suppose i can change that |
| 23:04.34 | \amethyst | L33TrDaNu: How does that make su not work? |
| 23:04.34 | Crell42 | Any other ideas? |
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| 23:04.43 | hecate | hey |
| 23:04.48 | hecate | i got my debian running |
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| 23:05.02 | hecate | but i couldnt figure out what should i use, ext2 or ext3 filesystem |
| 23:05.03 | L33TrDaNu | \amethyst: it works fine, i just dont want to do that when i run the script, i'd rather have... ./start_my_script |
| 23:05.06 | hecate | wich one you recommend? |
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| 23:05.27 | avar | Estes: figures |
| 23:05.28 | avar | dnsutils |
| 23:05.29 | ringo999 | is there a debian channel for power pc |
| 23:05.32 | \amethyst | L33TrDaNu: do you know sudo? |
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| 23:05.41 | L33TrDaNu | \amethyst: yeah... sudo -u apache 'command ' |
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| 23:05.46 | hanasaki | just copied one disk to another with cp -a about 8 gig... looks liek its done but the cp command hasnt returned to the cmd prompt.. sup? |
| 23:05.47 | thingfish | ringo999: #debian-ppc iirc |
| 23:05.51 | DMJC-D | I need some help with vfat |
| 23:05.52 | hecate | \amethyst wich one is better, ext2 or ext3? |
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| 23:06.01 | \amethyst | hecate: ext3 for most purposes |
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| 23:06.08 | ringo999 | thingfish: thx |
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| 23:06.12 | \amethyst | it's more crash-resistant |
| 23:06.15 | hecate | \amethyst but whats the difference, i isntalled ext2... |
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| 23:06.22 | thingfish | ringo999: you're welcome. switch to intel hehe ;) |
| 23:06.23 | \amethyst | hecate: you can turn ext2 into ext3 |
| 23:06.35 | Crell42 | \amethyst : Any other suggestions? |
| 23:06.38 | hecate | \amethyst how? |
| 23:06.53 | hecate | \amethyst actually nvm, i gonna try installing testing version one more time, it crashed before tho |
| 23:07.02 | \amethyst | hecate: man tune2fs, look for -j |
| 23:07.28 | \amethyst | Crell42: I don't know what's going on, sorry :( |
| 23:07.36 | Crell42 | Dur. |
| 23:07.49 | Crell42 | Wasn't there an issue with kernel 2.6.8 with burner permissions? |
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| 23:08.01 | Crell42 | I seem to recall there being one, but I've not run 2.6.8 in so long myself I don't rightly recall. |
| 23:08.05 | \amethyst | I don't know, I skipped from .7 to .12 |
| 23:08.09 | Crell42 | hehe. |
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| 23:08.37 | nuxil | hello people |
| 23:08.40 | Crell42 | Hm. I think there was, which is why I thought it a mistake for Debian to release Sarge with that as the default. :-) |
| 23:08.46 | DMJC-D | fsck.vfat says I have TWO FAT TABLES |
| 23:08.53 | \amethyst | DMJC-D: okay |
| 23:08.55 | DMJC-D | AND wants me to choose between them |
| 23:09.03 | \amethyst | DMJC-D: does it say they're different? |
| 23:09.03 | DMJC-D | says both are intact but different |
| 23:09.08 | \amethyst | DMJC-D: oh dear |
| 23:09.11 | \amethyst | DMJC-D: let's see |
| 23:09.15 | thingfish | what's default on sarge? |
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| 23:09.27 | \amethyst | DMJC-D: you can mount it ro and (I think) give an option for which table to use |
| 23:09.29 | thingfish | !beer abrotman |
| 23:09.29 | DMJC-D | it was a USB vfat device |
| 23:09.38 | thingfish | ick guinness |
| 23:09.42 | nuxil | the default python os 2.3 . . i have istall 2.4 cos i needed to. some apps req it.. now how do i set python to python2.4? |
| 23:09.44 | \amethyst | DMJC-D: then do ls -lR on it both ways and diff the results |
| 23:09.45 | DMJC-D | I'm assuming it got pulled by accident |
| 23:09.58 | DMJC-D | ?? |
| 23:10.04 | nuxil | sry for my bad english |
| 23:10.13 | blondie | nuxil: "sorry" |
| 23:10.20 | nuxil | yes |
| 23:10.24 | nuxil | i am |
| 23:10.24 | The | were can i find good ntp servers for updating my time with rdate? |
| 23:10.28 | blondie | "sry" isn't a word |
| 23:10.29 | thingfish | hehe blondie you crack me up. |
| 23:10.35 | \amethyst | hm |
| 23:10.42 | liable | anal is a word though :) |
| 23:10.44 | blondie | if you want to apologise, do it properly please |
| 23:10.47 | thingfish | ooh |
| 23:10.54 | blondie | liable: anal is great |
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| 23:11.10 | thingfish | now now, this channel has a venerable tradition of hostility and pedantry. |
| 23:11.31 | \amethyst | DMJC-D: actually, I can't atm figure out how to tell mount to use a different fat, so |
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| 23:11.37 | thingfish | and while we're trying to change, there's nothing wrong with a little "flava" from time to time. |
| 23:11.39 | nuxil | should i just link python to python2.4 ? |
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| 23:11.56 | \amethyst | DMJC-D: My *guess* is that, if it got pulled by accident, the first FAT would be up-to-date and the second wouldn't |
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| 23:12.11 | DMJC-D | well I did -a |
| 23:12.15 | DMJC-D | it used the first one |
| 23:12.19 | \amethyst | DMJC-D: ah |
| 23:12.20 | DMJC-D | looks like one file is a bit shonky |
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| 23:12.28 | \amethyst | DMJC-D: did it try to correct it? |
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| 23:12.43 | \amethyst | DMJC-D: oh, -a |
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| 23:13.10 | thingfish | shonky? now that's a new one for me. |
| 23:13.19 | \amethyst | shaky + wonky? |
| 23:13.27 | yggrdasil | heh |
| 23:13.37 | DMJC-D | well it appears to be fixed |
| 23:13.42 | yggrdasil | super honkey |
| 23:13.46 | \amethyst | kaputx0red |
| 23:13.53 | DMJC-D | my interface changed and now it's back so i guess that's good |
| 23:14.04 | nvz | abrotman: usually tastes better on meat or veggies or something |
| 23:14.07 | stagge | well... kopete is nice... thank you v. much :) |
| 23:14.09 | \amethyst | yggrdasil: you mean like country music or something? |
| 23:14.11 | asg | abrotman: are you going to put it on anything or just take it straight from the jug? |
| 23:14.22 | nvz | asg: heh I was wondering the same thign |
| 23:14.24 | thingfish | abrotman: wth is wrong with you?! You need pork to go with that. |
| 23:14.31 | The_And1 | I'm trying to connect to a public ntp server with rdate but i keep getting this error: connection refused |
| 23:14.36 | asg | nvz: you can never tell with cakebutt |
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| 23:14.45 | abrotman | asg: straight .. like everything else |
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| 23:14.49 | ke6isf | The_And1: What is your source of ntp servers? |
| 23:14.52 | abrotman | thingfish: mmm .. slyfox .. |
| 23:15.11 | asg | abrotman: you take it straight? |
| 23:15.15 | wols | The_And1: use pool.ntp.org |
| 23:15.19 | The_And1 | www.netnod.se but i don't know which port |
| 23:15.25 | abrotman | stew: btw .. it's slyfoxbeer.com :) |
| 23:15.29 | ke6isf | The_And1: What wols said. |
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| 23:15.32 | wols | The_And1: maybe try ntpdate |
| 23:15.38 | \amethyst | The_And1: rdate isn't ntp |
| 23:15.42 | The_And1 | ok |
| 23:15.45 | \amethyst | The_And1: yes, you need ntpdate |
| 23:15.46 | abrotman | asg: i like bbq sauce :) |
| 23:15.52 | asg | abrotman: uh huh |
| 23:16.05 | thingfish | ketchup + molasses + vinegar + cayenne + worcestershire sauce |
| 23:16.22 | ke6isf | abrotman: But ketchup has natural mellowing agents that keep you from going batty at all the lusers on Sundays! |
| 23:16.25 | patterson | uhmm. fish head sauce |
| 23:16.26 | \amethyst | The_And1: and ntp-simple to keep them in sync |
| 23:16.26 | abrotman | Succulent smoked pork served on a toasted bun with crispy fried onions & house BBQ sauce. |
| 23:16.28 | abrotman | i want that! |
| 23:16.34 | asg | thingfish: or he could just buy a nice bottle of HP sauce and give the finger to the wannabees. |
| 23:16.37 | The_And1 | thx guys. working like a charm ;) |
| 23:16.41 | thingfish | patterson: wrong cuisine genre. |
| 23:16.46 | thingfish | hehe asg |
| 23:16.48 | patterson | wosterchire |
| 23:16.49 | \amethyst | Hewlett Packard sauce? |
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| 23:17.02 | asg | \amethyst: House of Parliment |
| 23:17.02 | ke6isf | \amethyst: No, nothing that bad. HP sauce. Like A1, but better. |
| 23:17.06 | \amethyst | patterson: missing a few letters |
| 23:17.06 | patterson | not pham noc |
| 23:17.14 | patterson | (sp) |
| 23:17.25 | patterson | national cambodian holiday |
| 23:17.30 | \amethyst | I can't eat worcestershire |
| 23:17.33 | \amethyst | sauce, that is |
| 23:17.40 | ke6isf | \amethyst: Allergies? |
| 23:17.46 | patterson | everyone mashes fish. and fish heads into sauce |
| 23:17.46 | \amethyst | ke6isf: vegetarian |
| 23:17.52 | ke6isf | \amethyst: Good reason. |
| 23:17.54 | dli | any general tool to check for hdd bad blocks? |
| 23:17.57 | patterson | well sauce precursor |
| 23:18.06 | abrotman | A1 has meat in it? |
| 23:18.07 | \amethyst | dli: smartctl -a /dev/hda |
| 23:18.15 | dli | \amethyst, thanks |
| 23:18.20 | \amethyst | dli: that won't check |
| 23:18.22 | The_And1 | anyone here knows a good c++ developer program that compiles and is used for writing c++ ofcourse |
| 23:18.28 | \amethyst | dli: but your hard drive would know already |
| 23:18.31 | abrotman | !anjuta |
| 23:18.31 | dpkg | well, anjuta is a great IDE to GTK+/GNOME for C/C++, similar to KDevelop. It has auto-completion, class/function browser, etc..http://anjuta.sourceforge.net |
| 23:18.34 | curt | I dont' know about meat but it does have raisins... |
| 23:18.44 | thingfish | oh gosh, vodka's nice for a change :) |
| 23:18.44 | nvz | fishheads are weird.. the have no neck.. so really which part is the head |
| 23:18.53 | dli | \amethyst, what do you mean? it's a hardware thing |
| 23:18.59 | ke6isf | nvz: Gills on forward, I'd guess. |
| 23:19.03 | patterson | there is a koan for ya |
| 23:19.07 | \amethyst | dli: modern hard drives automatically relocate bad sectors (see Relocated Sector Count and Relocated Event Count in smartctl) |
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| 23:19.15 | thingfish | I'm all for koans. |
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| 23:19.25 | nvz | my uncle used to call us neckless fish when we were kids |
| 23:19.37 | patterson | use a pun. go to jail |
| 23:19.40 | The_And1 | what's best anjuta or kdevelop since i run kde? |
| 23:19.44 | asg | nvz: did he read a lot of Lovecraft? |
| 23:19.44 | Agrajag- | hmm why does dpkg have a howto for ubuntu when you query for xgl-howto |
| 23:19.46 | abrotman | anjuta! |
| 23:19.52 | The_And1 | because? |
| 23:19.53 | \amethyst | dli: man smartctl and look for -t, it will tell you how to have the hard drive run a complete self-test |
| 23:19.54 | dli | \amethyst, it has to be within the filesystem |
| 23:20.03 | nvz | asg: never heard of it |
| 23:20.04 | thingfish | patterson: you missed the best one, earlier. A guy came in asking for help setting his debian print server so that when it was shut down, his windows clients didn't hang trying to access it. |
| 23:20.05 | dli | \amethyst, thanks |
| 23:20.07 | asg | Agrajag-: because the person that wrote the factoid didn't read the /topic |
| 23:20.25 | \amethyst | dli: you said bad blocks, I thought you meant sectors that couldn't be read reliably |
| 23:20.36 | \amethyst | dli: did you mean fs corruption instead? |
| 23:20.44 | dli | \amethyst, no, it's hardware |
| 23:20.45 | abrotman | Agrajag-: did you actually read it ? |
| 23:20.59 | patterson | beats the one about if your back up crashes the server ; do you still back up |
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| 23:21.09 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:21.10 | \amethyst | dli: ah, then read up on smartctl -t |
| 23:21.20 | Agrajag- | abrotman: yeah? |
| 23:21.28 | nvz | asg: this is the kind of guy that pays attention to the gov name on the state signs and when you pull him over puts on bag pipe music and says to the state police, so how is uncle Tom.. or whatever the gov's name is |
| 23:21.33 | \amethyst | dli: your disk knows more about what's going on than the computer does :) |
| 23:21.35 | abrotman | Agrajag-: would you prefer it changed? |
| 23:21.36 | dli | \amethyst, I already put the faulty hdd into a usb enclosure, kind of useful for a usb box |
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| 23:21.51 | The_And1 | most sites on ze internet thinks that kdevelop is more userfriendly |
| 23:21.52 | dli | \amethyst, which package for smartctl? |
| 23:22.09 | \amethyst | dli: smartmontools I think |
| 23:22.22 | \amethyst | yes |
| 23:22.23 | abrotman | Agrajag-: compiz points to a suse page .. |
| 23:22.24 | Agrajag- | abrotman: yeah, i dont see why there's stuff about how to do stuff on ubuntu there |
| 23:22.25 | asg | nvz: ouch, that person needs a new hobby. One day, they'll just beat him with a stick. |
| 23:22.29 | abrotman | Agrajag-: then change it |
| 23:23.14 | dli | \amethyst, great |
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| 23:24.14 | The_And1 | if i could kill the guy who programed amsn i would. fucking asswhole everytime i try to login it says that my user is already logged in... |
| 23:24.28 | zebalin4 | OT here but I'll try. Anyone know why I can open a Word doc in OO2 in Etch but not in Sid. Same KDE, same ver. of OO2. |
| 23:24.40 | dli | The_And1, I never see how to get video from amsn either |
| 23:24.48 | zebalin4 | soffice.bin crashe. |
| 23:24.52 | stew | The_And1: did you look at trying to fix it? |
| 23:25.01 | cheal | zebalin4: is that specific to KDE? |
| 23:25.08 | The_And1 | of course (say it with a french accent) |
| 23:25.15 | zebalin4 | cheal: I don't think so. |
| 23:25.20 | dli | The_And1, try kopete from kde, it's picking up voice/video soon |
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| 23:25.21 | stew | The_And1: did the guy who wrote it not accept your patches? |
| 23:25.24 | zebalin4 | No real relation between kde and oo2. |
| 23:25.51 | The_And1 | yep but what's the kopete, is it any good? |
| 23:25.55 | cheal | zebalin4: zebalin4 I guess you could explain how you can't |
| 23:26.08 | dli | The_And1, I just use what works |
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| 23:26.29 | Eulex | wtf? InteractiveBastille uses 0.5gb memory? |
| 23:26.40 | The_And1 | may I say lol in the channel? |
| 23:26.41 | zebalin4 | cheal: document almost opens and OO2 just dies... closes. No message. Nothing. I start it up again and it wants to recover the doc, but it can't. |
| 23:26.45 | asg | The_And1: no |
| 23:26.50 | The_And1 | damn you |
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| 23:27.01 | The_And1 | I just love the word so much :S |
| 23:27.06 | asg | The_And1: I've been damned for a long time; you still can't say 'lol' though. |
| 23:27.07 | akira | what is a good qt ide? |
| 23:27.22 | The_And1 | asg: haha, okay :S |
| 23:27.22 | asg | akira: konsole + vi |
| 23:27.31 | akira | haha. |
| 23:27.31 | Tentative | qt designer |
| 23:27.32 | zebalin4 | Does oo have an IRC on Freenode? |
| 23:27.35 | Tentative | or kdevelop |
| 23:27.44 | asg | akira: it's perfectly acceptible |
| 23:27.46 | cheal | !tell zebalin4 about ooo |
| 23:27.48 | asg | zebalin4: #debian-oo |
| 23:27.50 | Tentative | (+qt sesigner) |
| 23:27.55 | akira | i know. but i'm looking for an ide |
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| 23:28.01 | useruser_ | I'm having lots of trouble burning a CD with my dvd burner over usb. cdrecord bombs immediately. what should I do? |
| 23:28.01 | d4t2ilLa | is there an alternative to VMWare? |
| 23:28.03 | asg | akira: then konsole + emacs |
| 23:28.03 | The_And1 | dLi: what do you think of gaim then? |
| 23:28.16 | asg | d4t2ilLa: xen, bochs, qemu |
| 23:28.17 | Tentative | akira: kdevelop is an ide |
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| 23:28.30 | dli | The_And1, quite good, but still no -vv |
| 23:28.35 | d4t2ilLa | asg are the released under GPL? |
| 23:30.01 | akira | Tentative, yea, i know, i couldn't rememeber the name, i was saying that vi doesn't work that well as an ide. |
| 23:30.02 | asg | d4t2ilLa: they are all released under a dfsg compliant license. |
| 23:30.03 | zebalin4 | cheal: here is the doc in case you are interested. Only 150K http://www.answer123.com/Candidate-On-Demand-Profile-Sheet.doc |
| 23:30.03 | Tentative | akira: www.kdevelop.org |
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| 23:30.05 | d4t2ilLa | asg thanks. |
| 23:30.05 | starscalling | W: GPG error: http://mirrors.kernel.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F <<--- how to fix please? |
| 23:30.06 | asg | d4t2ilLa: you're welcome |
| 23:30.07 | Tentative | akira: this is not vi, this is graphic. |
| 23:30.09 | akira | Tentative, yea, thanks |
| 23:30.09 | stew | starscalling: /topic |
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| 23:30.14 | prodope | what's the command to append to a text file? |
| 23:30.19 | prodope | > ? |
| 23:30.23 | starscalling | er oops |
| 23:30.25 | asg | prodope: echo foo >> /path/to/file |
| 23:30.28 | stew | prodope: >> is append |
| 23:30.31 | starscalling | ty stew >_< |
| 23:30.32 | prodope | > is ? |
| 23:30.37 | stew | prodope: replace |
| 23:30.40 | dli | prodope, '>>' , '>' is overwritting |
| 23:30.41 | Tentative | prodope: >> |
| 23:30.53 | prodope | ok, thanks guys |
| 23:30.53 | d4t2ilLa | If I don't delete the apt cache, can I reuse it next time? |
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| 23:30.53 | asg | prodope: redirect, overwrite or create if it doesn't exist |
| 23:30.59 | KerPlunk | I installed toshutils toshset and fnfxd all which were found with apt-cache search toshiba(which is my laptop)...and when I try to do anything with any of the binaries that I have when I installed these programs it says my kernel wasn't compiled with toshiba support...what do I do to compile my kernel with toshiba support? |
| 23:31.11 | cheal | zebalin4: I understand now. see the BTS |
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| 23:31.20 | zebalin4 | BTS? |
| 23:31.29 | asg | !btssmite zebalin4 |
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| 23:32.02 | KerPlunk | !tell zebalin4 about bts |
| 23:32.24 | wols | !badgersmite dpkg |
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| 23:32.28 | Tentative | !tell number of melanie |
| 23:32.40 | zebalin4 | You mean bug tracking system? I doubt it is a debian bug. But I'll hunt around for it. |
| 23:32.42 | asg | Tentative: /msg dpkg help |
| 23:32.47 | The_And1 | dLi: I ran kopete for the first time and fell in love with it. do you know if there's a msn smiley theme? |
| 23:32.49 | Tentative | :) |
| 23:33.06 | asg | The_And1: try #debian-kde |
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| 23:33.11 | KerPlunk | !tell Tentative about msgdpkg |
| 23:33.12 | dli | The_And1, I think so, it's quite ambitious by design |
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| 23:33.25 | The_And1 | okay |
| 23:33.34 | cheal | zebalin4: yes |
| 23:34.02 | The_And1 | see you guys and thanks for the help :D |
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| 23:34.06 | dli | The_And1, what's the version of your kopete? |
| 23:34.20 | zebalin4 | cheal: ok, I'm on it. thanks. |
| 23:34.29 | useruser | any cdrecord help here? |
| 23:34.37 | \amethyst | useruser: maybe |
| 23:34.48 | dli | useruser, can you try k3b? |
| 23:34.49 | \amethyst | useruser: have you read the manpage? |
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| 23:35.03 | useruser | \amethyst: selected exceprts, yes... |
| 23:35.21 | \amethyst | useruser: ask then, assuming it's a debian cdrecord |
| 23:35.22 | useruser | dli: yes, it fails |
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| 23:35.47 | Hip_Hop_157 | /notice #debian /server irc.BrasNerd.com.br |
| 23:35.48 | useruser | \amethyst: it is - i'm trying to burn an iso file, and it fails immediately on -dummy |
| 23:35.56 | dli | useruser, k3b in stable or unstable? |
| 23:36.00 | techmydeck | hi there! im havin problems to mount my ntfs partition. i only can mount it as read only and only root can access it. any could help me? i wanna write on it, and all users should access it. thanks |
| 23:36.17 | \amethyst | useruser: fails how? |
| 23:36.18 | useruser | dli: unstable |
| 23:36.21 | asg | Hip_Hop_157: fuck off |
| 23:36.25 | wols | techmydeck: you can't write to it. never |
| 23:36.39 | useruser | \amethyst: i'll bring up the error in a moment |
| 23:36.40 | thingfish | !ops Hip_Hop_157 spamming |
| 23:36.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Hip_Hop_157 spamming |
| 23:36.47 | techmydeck | hmmm ok |
| 23:36.48 | dli | techmydeck, you should read about write support with ntfs |
| 23:36.48 | wols | techmydeck: as for reading from it for all users: man mount and search for "umask" and "umode" |
| 23:36.53 | useruser | \amethyst: do you need those odd hex numbers? |
| 23:37.05 | abrotman | like that will do any good |
| 23:37.18 | techmydeck | wols dli, thx |
| 23:37.25 | jetscreamer | !mwilsonsmite abrotman |
| 23:37.28 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 23:37.28 | useruser_ | \amethyst: can you /j #flood? |
| 23:37.39 | dli | techmydeck, if you have to use ntfs, expect troubles |
| 23:37.53 | *** join/#debian schlaz (n=schlaz@p54AEDB8F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:37.57 | jetscreamer | no search for fmask and dmask |
| 23:38.03 | Hip_Hop_157 | :) |
| 23:38.09 | jetscreamer | s/no/also,first/ |
| 23:38.09 | techmydeck | ij |
| 23:38.11 | techmydeck | ]ok |
| 23:38.17 | \amethyst | useruser_: can you use a paste server? |
| 23:38.23 | abrotman | Hip_Hop_157: please go away and die |
| 23:38.26 | \amethyst | useruser_: that would be simpler for me |
| 23:38.29 | asg | techmydeck: figure it out or go away |
| 23:38.48 | useruser_ | \amethyst: yeah, ok |
| 23:38.49 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 23:38.52 | p8m | Does anybody know where I could get some cool debian stickers? :) |
| 23:39.05 | jetscreamer | is the bot dead or busy |
| 23:39.11 | liran | you might find some at thikgeek.com p8m |
| 23:39.14 | abrotman | !rontfs |
| 23:39.19 | liran | p8m, either that or maybe ebay.com |
| 23:39.20 | wols | !ntfs |
| 23:39.20 | dpkg | i guess ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 23:40.08 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 23:40.08 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 23:40.10 | abrotman | yay! |
| 23:40.23 | useruser_ | \amethyst: http://pastebin.com/572513 |
| 23:40.34 | jetscreamer | ok who fucked up the bot |
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| 23:40.43 | asg | abrotman: ntfsro sounds like the tard Thundercat(tm) |
| 23:40.51 | useruser_ | \amethyst: it's connected via usb |
| 23:40.52 | wols | dpkg is self-aware so I guess it was inevitable |
| 23:40.52 | thingfish | !ops Hip_Hop_157 is spamming! |
| 23:40.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Hip_Hop_157 is spamming! |
| 23:40.55 | jshriver | Why do I keep getting "Parallel port busy, retry in 30 seconds" from cups? |
| 23:40.56 | *** join/#debian eyedol59 (n=eyedol59@200.69.251.67) |
| 23:40.57 | jetscreamer | no more like dragonball z |
| 23:41.04 | jshriver | I can't get anything to print anymore and nothing has been changed. |
| 23:41.11 | abrotman | thingfish: there are no damn ops .. they don't care .. they go away on weekends |
| 23:41.23 | Hip_Hop_157 | dpkg thingfish channel #BrAs1L |
| 23:41.25 | thingfish | abrotman: well shit. |
| 23:41.28 | jetscreamer | petemc: you fuxored my factoids imo |
| 23:41.32 | asg | Hip_Hop_157: no, fuck off |
| 23:41.33 | jshriver | even tried restarting restarting cups, and it goes away, but as soon as I try to print something even the test page.. it doesnt print and just says the same mesage |
| 23:41.39 | *** join/#debian ciphergoth (n=paul@82-70-194-38.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 23:41.40 | eyedol59 | i am trying to install Debian Sarge from an Ubuntu System, could anybody help me |
| 23:41.48 | eyedol59 | please? |
| 23:41.49 | jetscreamer | !debtakeover |
| 23:41.49 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 23:41.51 | *** part/#debian cHaPlinux (n=cHaPlinu@200.141.204.83) |
| 23:41.54 | thingfish | Hip_Hop_157: go fuck yourself, you cuntface motherfucker. |
| 23:41.54 | asg | Hip_Hop_157: we don't care, we don't want to go to #BrAs1L. |
| 23:41.59 | cheal | eyedol59: possibly, if you explain your problem |
| 23:42.09 | abrotman | Hip_Hop_157: please go away and die |
| 23:42.29 | avar | Hip_Hop_157: thank you, that was very informative |
| 23:42.29 | Hip_Hop_157 | thingfish abrotman asg gays |
| 23:42.33 | abrotman | Hip_Hop_157: please go away and die |
| 23:42.33 | Hip_Hop_157 | :) |
| 23:42.35 | Tentative | Hip_Hop_157: stop spaming |
| 23:42.39 | \amethyst | useruser_: hm |
| 23:42.42 | Hip_Hop_157 | lol |
| 23:42.43 | wols | !ops please remove Hip_Hop_157 for spamming and insulting people |
| 23:42.43 | asg | Hip_Hop_157: wow, that was impressive. |
| 23:42.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please remove Hip_Hop_157 for spamming and insulting people |
| 23:42.47 | ldexter | Hip_Hop_157: FOAD |
| 23:42.48 | Greatred|Home | grr. Hip_Hop_157 did that to me too |
| 23:42.49 | jetscreamer | !lart Phated |
| 23:42.54 | jetscreamer | her |
| 23:42.55 | eyedol59 | cheal: ok , i have already run deboostrap and create my fstab |
| 23:43.01 | helix | umm |
| 23:43.02 | dli | why blame a spammer? while you can ban it simply |
| 23:43.08 | Hip_Hop_157 | wols Greatred|Home ldexter focker you |
| 23:43.09 | thingfish | Hip_Hop_157: so what? yes i am. still, you can go fuck your pitiful self. |
| 23:43.11 | asg | Hip_Hop_157: /j #shell so we can discuss things further |
| 23:43.14 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 23:43.17 | jetscreamer | 'you' can't, and neither can we |
| 23:43.19 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 23:43.22 | Hip_Hop_157 | not |
| 23:43.23 | jetscreamer | \o/ helix |
| 23:43.24 | *** part/#debian useruser (n=useruser@rupert.tor.istop.com) |
| 23:43.24 | Hip_Hop_157 | lol |
| 23:43.28 | eyedol59 | know the guide tells me that i have to enter chroot and mount the partitions |
| 23:43.29 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@200.193.18.140] by helix |
| 23:43.32 | *** kick/#debian [Hip_Hop_157!n=e@unaffiliated/helix] by helix (helix) |
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| 23:43.37 | thingfish | yay! |
| 23:43.37 | jshriver | what chmod and own should /dev/lp0 be? |
| 23:43.39 | *** mode/#debian [-b helix!*@*] by helix |
| 23:43.41 | wols | thank you |
| 23:43.42 | asg | helix: thanks |
| 23:43.44 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 23:43.44 | helix | wtf? |
| 23:43.44 | \amethyst | useruser_: doesn't look good |
| 23:43.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 23:43.50 | jetscreamer | don't ban yourself :) |
| 23:43.54 | helix | why are you guys talking to a spammer, btw? |
| 23:43.57 | eyedol59 | cheal:know the guide tells me that i have to enter chroot and mount the partitions |
| 23:43.59 | helix | and a bot at that? |
| 23:44.01 | useruser_ | \amethyst: yeah, it's really frustrating |
| 23:44.03 | helix | what is wrong with you lot? |
| 23:44.08 | asg | helix: because we suck and we're bored |
| 23:44.13 | helix | you guys do suck |
| 23:44.15 | jetscreamer | i don't really see that it was a bot |
| 23:44.17 | useruser_ | \amethyst: i burned some dvds with this drive a few weeks ago with the same setup, so i don't know what's going on |
| 23:44.20 | jetscreamer | but |
| 23:44.20 | jharrison | anyone have an idea why ifconfig is telling me my ip is 169.254.167.156? |
| 23:44.24 | \amethyst | useruser_: you get that with other discs? |
| 23:44.30 | avar | jharrison: maybe it is? |
| 23:44.32 | helix | and I did a /lastlog on it and most of the backlog was all of you yelling at it |
| 23:44.34 | blondie | jharrison: because your network is not working? |
| 23:44.34 | dli | jharrison, dhcp? |
| 23:44.40 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 23:44.41 | jharrison | dli: yes dhcp |
| 23:44.43 | useruser_ | \amethyst: i've tried with two - same brand, but they're all the blank cds i have |
| 23:44.47 | asg | helix: like I said, we were bored |
| 23:44.48 | blondie | 169.254 is an auto-self-config IP |
| 23:44.53 | ciphergoth | I thought I'd done the Codec Dance, but my AVI files played under Totem look very wrong - screwed colours, predominance of blue. |
| 23:44.56 | jharrison | I have an ip 169.254.167.156 yet I am connected to irc |
| 23:44.57 | thingfish | sorry, helix. |
| 23:45.00 | jetscreamer | !blondie++ |
| 23:45.02 | useruser_ | \amethyst: it seems to read data from discs ok... |
| 23:45.07 | helix | asg: does that explain the constant boredom that causes a lot of you to act like that when there are spammers? |
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| 23:45.09 | cheal | eyedol59: I was just answering about the possibility of being helped. I never used debootstrap, ask the channel |
| 23:45.09 | blondie | you only get 169.254 when dhcp isn't working |
| 23:45.10 | eyedol59 | i have already my ubuntu system mounted and the problem is that i pretend to use the same swap memory for both OS |
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| 23:45.17 | ciphergoth | I'm running testing. The properties says "ISO MPEG-4 (XviD, ffmpeg)" |
| 23:45.18 | helix | I mean, spammers, hello -- since when do they actually fuck off because you said to? |
| 23:45.18 | tktktk | what's the quickest way I can install g++ 4.0 (running stock debian stable righ tnow) |
| 23:45.21 | ldexter | helix: I didn't know he was a bot or that it was spamming. I just wanted to gang up on him. |
| 23:45.22 | eyedol59 | cheal:ok :) |
| 23:45.25 | \amethyst | you're trying to burn a DVD or a CD? |
| 23:45.26 | jetscreamer | what about ipconfig -a , is it the only connection? |
| 23:45.27 | useruser_ | \amethyst: is it possible that the -dummy doesn't work for my drive at all? i remember k3b wouldn't let me use -dummy for the dvd burn |
| 23:45.29 | \amethyst | useruser_: you're trying to burn a DVD or a CD? |
| 23:45.31 | jharrison | I have not changed anything about my dhcp server |
| 23:45.33 | helix | ldexter: how boring |
| 23:45.34 | useruser_ | \amethyst: cd right now |
| 23:45.35 | jharrison | I will check the logs |
| 23:45.40 | \amethyst | useruser_: that's possible |
| 23:45.48 | asg | helix: point |
| 23:45.53 | thingfish | helix: well I mean what do you expect? for all we know, we've been abandoned here to our own devices, left without any recourse when the bizarros hit us. |
| 23:45.54 | useruser_ | \amethyst: ok, let's see if i get a coaster then :-) |
| 23:46.02 | \amethyst | useruser_: use /dev/random :) |
| 23:46.10 | helix | thingfish: I'm still not seeing how yelling at spammers helps? |
| 23:46.13 | ldexter | helix: it a spur of the momemnt thing while I was getting dressed |
| 23:46.25 | thingfish | actually, though, not that that gives us any excuse for doing what helix is scolding us for. |
| 23:46.25 | Allb969 | hi anyone help with laptop pcmia wifi? |
| 23:46.27 | \amethyst | useruser_: leave it outside some FBI or CIA branch, get them all worried |
| 23:46.27 | *** part/#debian Tentative (i=christop@Mix-Montpellier-203-1-64.w193-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:46.33 | useruser_ | heh |
| 23:46.44 | thingfish | helix: you're right; it doesn't help. /ignore is the way to go. |
| 23:46.45 | \amethyst | useruser_: actually, if you want to worry them you might need to use urandom |
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| 23:46.55 | helix | word |
| 23:46.59 | helix | I still love you all though |
| 23:47.01 | helix | just so you know |
| 23:47.06 | nvz | hah, |
| 23:47.06 | asg | helix: we all love you too |
| 23:47.07 | Unity | bras1l even had notheng interesting in it... |
| 23:47.07 | ciphergoth | \amethyst: I don't share your pessimism! |
| 23:47.10 | \amethyst | useruser_: go ahead and make two copies of the same disc and you have a one-time pad |
| 23:47.16 | asg | helix: really :) |
| 23:47.17 | \amethyst | useruser_: perfect security |
| 23:47.23 | useruser_ | \amethyst: arse, a coaster it is |
| 23:47.25 | jharrison | I dont see any problems with dhcp |
| 23:47.29 | helix | asg just reminded me to check my mail; I wonder why |
| 23:47.30 | ciphergoth | \amethyst: eh, not really |
| 23:47.32 | useruser_ | cdrecord: The current problem looks like a buffer underrun. |
| 23:47.35 | nvz | love me two times. as Jim Morrison had said |
| 23:47.38 | asg | helix: eep |
| 23:47.43 | \amethyst | ciphergoth: perfect crypto I should say |
| 23:47.46 | useruser_ | \amethyst: just the same as before :-((( |
| 23:47.59 | \amethyst | useruser_: hmm |
| 23:48.04 | ciphergoth | \amethyst: only if your RNG is perfect |
| 23:48.08 | \amethyst | useruser_: it's high-speed USB |
| 23:48.16 | useruser_ | \amethyst: no, but I tried that too |
| 23:48.22 | ciphergoth | \amethyst: it's good enough for all practical purposes, but that's different from perfect! |
| 23:48.37 | useruser_ | \amethyst: (problem is I can't use high-speed usb and my ethernet card at the same time - laptop with limited ports) |
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| 23:48.49 | \amethyst | ciphergoth: true, and urandom isn't perfect if an attacker can control things like disk hits |
| 23:48.52 | useruser_ | \amethyst: (and a usb-2.0 adaptor that takes up too much bloddy space) |
| 23:48.58 | bowman | hi, I don't know the right place to search or ask for this, but: do debian mysql-server packages feature innodb? |
| 23:49.04 | useruser_ | s/ddy/ody/ |
| 23:49.07 | Seb | bowman: they do |
| 23:49.09 | curt | bowman yes |
| 23:49.12 | \amethyst | useruser_: you might not be able to do it without high speed |
| 23:49.13 | ciphergoth | even if they can't, it still uses a hash function for entropy distillation |
| 23:49.19 | bowman | Seb: curt: thanks :) |
| 23:49.28 | \amethyst | ciphergoth: true |
| 23:49.38 | useruser_ | \amethyst: well i did manage to burn about ten dvds on low speed :) |
| 23:49.41 | ciphergoth | and there isn't even a good definition of what a good entropy distillation function is, let alone a proof that SHA-1 is one |
| 23:49.44 | useruser_ | \amethyst: with the same drive |
| 23:49.46 | Willyan | i need help a use dial-up connection i hate the kppp and i'm try use the gnome-ppp but my connections closes in 6 secs help i'm brazilian i'm sorry my english is poor |
| 23:49.57 | \amethyst | ciphergoth: that's true. lavarand it is |
| 23:50.11 | ciphergoth | nahh, build your own hotbits |
| 23:50.23 | ciphergoth | see my Web pages for how to distill entropy from it :-) |
| 23:50.27 | \amethyst | lavarand is patented I guess |
| 23:50.35 | ciphergoth | also relies on a hash function... |
| 23:50.45 | Willyan | i need help a use dial-up connection i hate the kppp and i'm try use the gnome-ppp but my connections closes in 6 secs help i'm brazilian i'm sorry my english is poor |
| 23:50.50 | Seb | Willyan: #debian-br |
| 23:51.13 | jharrison | I should not be online with an address of 169.254.167.156 right? |
| 23:51.16 | \amethyst | ciphergoth: what about the CCD in a black box thing? |
| 23:51.25 | Allb969 | can someone direct me to laptop pcmia resourses? |
| 23:51.31 | Seb | jharrison [n=jharriso@24.244.173.31] |
| 23:51.38 | jharrison | Seb: thats the router |
| 23:51.50 | *** part/#debian mtgh (n=chatzill@dsl093-001-038.det1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 23:52.12 | jharrison | this is weird |
| 23:52.13 | dli | Willyan, did you try wvdial? |
| 23:52.26 | jharrison | I have an ip that should not work on my internal networks yet it does |
| 23:52.44 | jharrison | and dhcp does not say anything about failures or anything out of the ordinary in the logs or anything |
| 23:53.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 812] by debhelper |
| 23:53.23 | \amethyst | jharrison: are you using iptables? |
| 23:53.32 | *** join/#debian herbi (n=herbinet@c211-30-119-100.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 23:53.34 | jharrison | \amethyst: on my router I am |
| 23:53.34 | curt | jharrison, 169.254.167.156 is LINKLOCAL |
| 23:53.56 | jharrison | curt: yes but how am I chatting to you guys on irc fromthis machine? |
| 23:53.59 | Unity | like yoda i speak |
| 23:54.24 | Willyan | yes i use apt-get install gnome-ppp he installed wvdial witha a dependenc |
| 23:54.26 | curt | jharrison, yes but your wan ip |
| 23:54.29 | \amethyst | jharrison: you're getting ipmasqed behind 24.244.173.31 then? |
| 23:54.43 | jharrison | \amethyst: yes exactly |
| 23:54.52 | \amethyst | s/ipmasq/NATt/ |
| 23:55.01 | \amethyst | jharrison: oh, you don't want that |
| 23:55.08 | jharrison | \amethyst: I dont? |
| 23:55.17 | \amethyst | jharrison: sorry, I meant to be asking you |
| 23:55.26 | \amethyst | jharrison: so what's the problem? |
| 23:55.29 | jharrison | \amethyst: I have been doing this for years |
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| 23:55.44 | jharrison | \amethyst: well I woke up today and my workstation has an ip of 169.254.167.156 |
| 23:55.49 | amee2k | hi all |
| 23:55.52 | jharrison | \amethyst: and I have no idea why |
| 23:56.01 | \amethyst | jharrison: and dhcp is supposed to be handing out what range? |
| 23:56.01 | asg | jharrison: did someone install Windows on it? |
| 23:56.11 | Kovecses | jharrison: if its dhcp it can change i think |
| 23:56.16 | jharrison | \amethyst: 192.168.1.10 - 192.168.1.20 |
| 23:56.17 | amee2k | I have a Dell C610 with a PIII-1GHz. which coufreq module is most likely the correct one? |
| 23:56.23 | jharrison | asg: no |
| 23:56.25 | dli | \amethyst, smartctl say my disk is not supported |
| 23:56.29 | \amethyst | jharrison: is there a competing dhcp server or the network |
| 23:56.29 | ciphergoth | \amethyst: CCD in a black box sounds plausible |
| 23:56.31 | \amethyst | dli: oh... |
| 23:56.33 | amee2k | any hints? |
| 23:56.40 | \amethyst | dli: badblocks then |
| 23:56.40 | jharrison | \amethyst: there should not be |
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| 23:56.49 | amee2k | err, *cpufreq |
| 23:56.54 | \amethyst | dli: man badblocks, read up on it first |
| 23:56.55 | jshriver | how do you unload a module? |
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| 23:57.04 | amee2k | rmmod |
| 23:57.05 | \amethyst | dli: you probably want to save its output to a file |
| 23:57.09 | ciphergoth | but TBH I don't think it's worth the bother - practical security against a computationally bounded adversary will do me fine. |
| 23:57.20 | \amethyst | jharrison: but is there? |
| 23:57.25 | *** part/#debian Kovecses (n=ray@c-24-131-157-155.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 23:57.34 | jharrison | \amethyst: not after checking just now |
| 23:57.37 | \amethyst | jharrison: and has anyone had access to that computer? |
| 23:57.39 | KerPlunk | If debian releases the kernel source packages in bz2 format...why isn't bzip2 in debian by default...ie with the base install from a netinstall or any debian base install |
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| 23:57.46 | jharrison | \amethyst: the funny thing is that I am able to connect as usual with this ip |
| 23:57.46 | \amethyst | jharrison: to set it to a manual IP? |
| 23:57.53 | dli | \amethyst, thanks |
| 23:58.03 | war92 | Purging configuration files for distcc ... |
| 23:58.04 | war92 | Undefined argument in option spec |
| 23:58.04 | jharrison | \amethyst: no and /etc/network/interfaces does not have that ip in it |
| 23:58.06 | \amethyst | jharrison: maybe your iptables was too lenient? |
| 23:58.12 | war92 | I cannot remove distcc with apt-get remove --purge or dpkg -r, why not? |
| 23:58.27 | \amethyst | jharrison: unplug the cable and check the logs |
| 23:58.29 | jharrison | \amethyst: could be but I have not seen any evidence of attack |
| 23:58.39 | \amethyst | just in case :) |
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| 23:58.49 | jharrison | \amethyst: this workstation is on a private network that has no outside access |
| 23:59.00 | jharrison | \amethyst: the only thing that is exposed is on the DMZ |
| 23:59.01 | daniele83 | hi! I've a very stupid problem. I got a digital kvm switch, by digitus, but can't find any hint on which hotkey to press to switch. I've red all I could find on the box, but no results... can someone help me? |
| 23:59.06 | Eulex | oooo, upcoming votage on whether gfdl in debian is ok or not |
| 23:59.17 | cheal | KerPlunk: why should bzip2 be in Debian by default? |
| 23:59.19 | asg | Eulex: do we get to vote? |
| 23:59.20 | tktktk | how do I pull just g++4.0 from debian unstable without getting a completely usntable system? |
| 23:59.28 | dli | \amethyst, slow :) |
| 23:59.36 | Eulex | asg, I guess it's only for dd's. |
| 23:59.38 | KerPlunk | cheal: Because packaages come in this format. ie kernel source. |
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| 23:59.48 | war92 | anyone? I cant remoe distcc, I get an error 255 hm |
| 23:59.55 | *** join/#debian AnDrE_CurCio (n=kurumin@200.180.11.201) |
| 23:59.58 | asg | Eulex: ah, then we get to wait. |
