| 00:00.00 | Systemadmin | they cannot help |
| 00:00.05 | gpm | wols: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1937 |
| 00:00.06 | fignewton | is tls broken in the latest (sid) exim4-daemon-light? I swear this was all working two days ago before I upgraded. |
| 00:00.09 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Loggin as root, ifconfig |
| 00:00.14 | Azar | guys make room please for people with valid questions |
| 00:00.19 | Stargazers | Systemadmin:What you need to know, ask if I can help |
| 00:00.34 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Or without root, /sbin/ifconfig |
| 00:00.41 | Azar | Stargazers: if you want to talk php move to another channel please |
| 00:00.49 | Stargazers | Azar: I meant that on private |
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| 00:00.55 | wols | gpm: are you sure your internal NIC is eth0? a router needs more than one NIC |
| 00:01.08 | Stargazers | Systemadmin: Oh, write that on private message to me what you need to ask, I help if I can. |
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| 00:01.11 | wols | gpm: also, the gateway is wrong. there is no gatway on a internal router interface |
| 00:01.13 | King_Andy | well i put in "ssh <xxx.xxx.x.xxx>" and it popped up with an error |
| 00:01.19 | gpm | wols: i've never used anything but eth0 |
| 00:01.28 | gpm | wols: it's not an internal router |
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| 00:01.31 | wols | gpm: then it's not a router, period |
| 00:01.34 | Azar | fignewton: sid is unstable therefore expect things to break |
| 00:01.35 | gpm | wols: this box is not a router, it's connected to a router |
| 00:01.40 | gpm | wols: i didn't say it was a router |
| 00:01.44 | wols | if it's not a router, you don't set static addresses |
| 00:01.46 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: What he say? |
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| 00:01.55 | gpm | wols: i need it to have a static internal address |
| 00:02.00 | wols | gpm: so what doesn't work when you set it to static? |
| 00:02.02 | gpm | wols: because i'm port forwarding to it |
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| 00:02.07 | Systemadmin | Stargazers : i sent it to you |
| 00:02.07 | wols | looks fine to me. |
| 00:02.09 | King_Andy | oh i did it i think DVM |
| 00:02.11 | gpm | wols: it doesn't work with static or dhcp |
| 00:02.17 | harfooz | Hi all -- when I copy my home directory to my external hard drive for backup, the hidden files (for .gaim, .mozilla*, etc.) don't get copied. I'm using cp -r ~ in my copy command. What am I doing wrong? |
| 00:02.18 | Stargazers | Systemadmin: Uh, I can see no private message? |
| 00:02.19 | King_Andy | "ssh (ip here)" |
| 00:02.20 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Firewall? |
| 00:02.24 | mindframe | is there an easy way to chroot ssh users? |
| 00:02.24 | cievo | hello |
| 00:02.29 | gpm | wols: it won't give me a 192.168.1.xyz address |
| 00:02.32 | wols | gpm: "does not work" is very unprecise. WHAT does not work exactly? |
| 00:02.42 | gpm | wols: read above |
| 00:02.45 | King_Andy | it was 'added to the list of known hosts' it says |
| 00:02.47 | wols | paste your ifconfig output then |
| 00:02.48 | Stargazers | Oh, I forgot that in freenode you and I should be registered to send private messages. Well, come and join to #tempchannel and say it again |
| 00:02.50 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: 'ssh user@ip' where user is the user on that other comp |
| 00:02.59 | Stargazers | Oh, bad channel key |
| 00:03.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 796] by debhelper |
| 00:03.02 | Systemadmin | Stargazers |
| 00:03.04 | Dwonis | harfooz, use "cp -a /home/dir/ /mnt/dest/dir/" not "cp -a /home/dir/* /mnt/dest/dir/" |
| 00:03.08 | Stargazers | Systemadmin: Well? |
| 00:03.13 | Systemadmin | Stargazers join foo |
| 00:03.14 | Stargazers | I came to PHP |
| 00:03.18 | bonez39 | wols, netsplit.de? why would such a forum be found on a german site? |
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| 00:03.22 | Systemadmin | join #foo |
| 00:03.23 | gpm | wols: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1938 |
| 00:03.28 | harfooz | Dwonis, ah! thank you! |
| 00:03.30 | Stargazers | I came on foo |
| 00:03.31 | King_Andy | man DVM im soooo lost! |
| 00:03.34 | wols | bonez39: just go there. it has a irc search engine |
| 00:03.53 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Ok, forget ssh for now, but forget it not! |
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| 00:03.57 | threat3 | Azar, an I prv msg it to you ? |
| 00:03.57 | fignewton | azar: I'm well aware of that. I've been running sid for a good many years. |
| 00:03.59 | King_Andy | lol! |
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| 00:04.06 | wols | gpm: somehow somewhere you are calling a dhcp client in your init scripts. remove that |
| 00:04.08 | King_Andy | okay, ill keep it in mind |
| 00:04.17 | Azar | threat3: no talk here you have same rights as the others |
| 00:04.19 | bonez39 | wols, ok...I entered http://netsplit.de into firefox but firefox can't seem to find it..... |
| 00:04.23 | gpm | wols: any clues on what to look for? |
| 00:04.25 | threat3 | oh and it is withinin topic, as I will be doing this on a Debian machine :) so any ideas of what debain packages I would need too ? |
| 00:04.29 | gpm | wols: i don't know... |
| 00:04.32 | threat3 | who here has setup a SCSI tape drive before? |
| 00:04.32 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Try to open the file 'less /var/log/XFree86.0.log' to see why the X are complain |
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| 00:04.43 | Azar | threat3: are you new to debian? |
| 00:04.51 | wols | gpm: cd /etc/init.d/; grep -i dhcp * |
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| 00:05.05 | wols | Azar: from the way he's asking he's new to irc |
| 00:05.19 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: On the bottom of that file, he give some informations. |
| 00:05.21 | wols | threat3: ask a proper question, not one beginning with "anyone" |
| 00:05.23 | Azar | wols: if he were new he would not know about private |
| 00:05.25 | gpm | wols: nothing came up |
| 00:05.48 | wols | gpm: your router is 192.168.1.1, right? |
| 00:05.50 | curt | what put you guys on tilt anyway |
| 00:05.52 | Zodo | 'lo all. I have a potentially complex question. I'm running Sarge, w/ kernel 2.6.8 (stable) on an old laptop that I have configured to be a router and network server. I notice that it hits the hard disk every 20 seconds or so for very minor writes. I'd either like to figure out what these accesses are, or migrate the existing system to a ramdisk. Any suggestions on implementation? |
| 00:05.53 | SerajewelKS | !poll |
| 00:05.54 | badgers | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 00:05.54 | gpm | wols: yeah |
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| 00:06.04 | Azar | threat3: bookmark this link you got lots of info in there anytime you need something: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
| 00:06.12 | threat3 | Azar, thanx |
| 00:06.28 | Azar | good day mr SerajewelKS |
| 00:06.35 | wols | gpm: and you can't ping the router anymore when you do a networking restart? |
| 00:06.39 | SerajewelKS | !beer Azar |
| 00:06.40 | King_Andy | haha, i got a screen full of information that goes on and on and on while i hit enter |
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| 00:06.57 | Azar | expect a crazy night |
| 00:07.04 | ichigo-san | can i use apt-get to install java runtime environment? |
| 00:07.12 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Page Down, page down, ... |
| 00:07.14 | gpm | wols: no, if i do a network restart, i get the ip i want (192.168.1.100) and i can still ping the router and all the boxes connected to it, but that's it. i can't connect to the 'net anymore. |
| 00:07.20 | King_Andy | im at the very bottom |
| 00:07.24 | gpm | 'net=rest of the internet |
| 00:07.26 | Azar | ichigo-san: if your distro repositories contains it |
| 00:07.28 | King_Andy | and it says (END) |
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| 00:07.37 | wols | gpm: might be a dns issue then? |
| 00:07.45 | SerajewelKS | Azar: with all luck i will be doing backups on HP-UX boxen instead of talking here |
| 00:07.51 | dvm1981 | wols: Looks of |
| 00:07.57 | wols | gpm: or the security settings in your router don't like you anymore |
| 00:08.00 | Azar | SerajewelKS: that would be a big loss for us.. |
| 00:08.09 | ichigo-san | Azar whats that?... sources.list? |
| 00:08.17 | gpm | wols: that would be weird since i haven't updated the firmware or anything...then again linksys is flaky |
| 00:08.21 | dvm1981 | wols: resolv.conf? |
| 00:08.28 | fignewton | zodo: it could be the disk flusher. Check out the noflushd package. |
| 00:08.28 | wols | gpm: do a networking restart and then "ping 216.239.59.104" (it's google) |
| 00:08.48 | Zodo | Fignewton: Many thanks, I'll do that. |
| 00:08.54 | gpm | wols: i already did a restart and tried pinging google...didn't work. had to restart the box before i could connect to the internet again |
| 00:09.01 | Azar | ichigo-san: if you did not read about apt you should: debian comes in 3 flavors: stable (Sarge) testing (Etch) and unstable (sid) : each has its own repositories from where apt installs your packages |
| 00:09.07 | gpm | wols: it told me unknown host |
| 00:09.19 | gpm | wols: when i do a networking restart, it "fails to bring up eth0" |
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| 00:09.42 | Azar | ichigo-san: you will eventually have to learn about apt: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html |
| 00:09.55 | dvm1981 | gpm: 'less /etc/resolv.conf' what say that? |
| 00:10.02 | ichigo-san | Azar: ok |
| 00:10.06 | wols | gpm: what NIC is this? |
| 00:10.12 | King_Andy | dvm, what do i do? |
| 00:10.15 | wols | you sure it's not a flaky/dead one? |
| 00:10.37 | gpm | dvm1981: search hsd1.ca.comcast.net, nameserver 68.87.76.178, nameserver 68.87.66.196 |
| 00:10.38 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Say me what there are noted in that log file :-/ |
| 00:10.50 | dvm1981 | gpm: There are you're problem |
| 00:10.50 | gpm | wols: it's a realtek...8139too driver |
| 00:11.00 | gpm | dvm1981: what should they say? |
| 00:11.04 | dvm1981 | gpm: dns issue |
| 00:11.07 | gpm | dvm1981: the router address? |
| 00:11.15 | dvm1981 | gpm: The ip of you're router |
| 00:11.18 | wols | godmachine81: nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:11.23 | wols | erm gpm: |
| 00:11.27 | gpm | got it |
| 00:11.30 | gpm | what about search? |
| 00:11.32 | dvm1981 | gpm: copy that file before editing |
| 00:11.37 | gpm | dvm1981: k |
| 00:11.41 | jml6 | anyone know why my cdrw drive will not mount with "mount /dev/hdc"? this is the line from my fstab: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 rw,user,noauto,exec |
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| 00:11.53 | Stargazers | I think that I am going to sleep. Good night for all and thanks for help! |
| 00:11.55 | Azar | ichigo-san: the sources in your sources.list will exactly show you from which repository it is getting the packages: / stable / testing / unstable |
| 00:11.55 | Stargazers | -> |
| 00:11.56 | dvm1981 | gpm: The domain that you use |
| 00:12.00 | *** part/#debian Stargazers (n=Stargaze@IP-62-216-125-212.telemail.fi) |
| 00:12.10 | gpm | dvm1981: put the domain i use for search right? |
| 00:12.17 | dvm1981 | gpm: If i say you that i use 'pinguin' that would not help you |
| 00:12.29 | King_Andy | "warning: font renderer for ".pmf" already registered at priority 0. Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!" is at the top |
| 00:12.34 | mxn | Hi. What's the shell command that lists what files are being accessed? |
| 00:12.34 | wols | gpm: that single line I wrote should be all you need. a linksys router should be a caching DNS server |
| 00:12.40 | dvm1981 | gpm: Welke search? |
| 00:12.43 | wols | mxn: lsof |
| 00:12.45 | gpm | wols: k |
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| 00:12.46 | King_Andy | then under that it says could not open font 'fixed' |
| 00:12.47 | dvm1981 | oeps |
| 00:12.50 | SerajewelKS | Azar: thanks for the compliment, but no, it's sunday. i don't want to be here. =) |
| 00:12.56 | gpm | dvm1981: the first line: search hsd1.ca.comcast.net |
| 00:12.57 | dvm1981 | gpm: Wish search? |
| 00:12.58 | mxn | wols: Ta. Hate forgetting little things like that. |
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| 00:13.04 | dvm1981 | gpm: yep |
| 00:13.09 | dvm1981 | gpm: Try |
| 00:13.13 | Azar | SerajewelKS: I guess it is a wise move I will vanish myself away soon too |
| 00:13.19 | gpm | wols: then a networking restart? |
| 00:13.23 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Font isssue |
| 00:13.25 | SerajewelKS | Azar: and i have homework to do =) |
| 00:13.26 | spuffin | I recently tried installing ISPconfig, and after screwing up at the very end when it asked for the mysql password, the install aborted. When I attempted the install again, I was never asked that question, and it is improperly configured. It seems that ISPConfig is not creating an "uninstall" option since it does not cmplete successfully. Anyone have suggestions? |
| 00:13.35 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: 'apt-get install font-base' |
| 00:13.52 | yel | hi everyone |
| 00:13.54 | dvm1981 | s/Font/Fonts |
| 00:13.57 | wols | gpm: no. resolv.conf changes are immediate |
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| 00:14.06 | King_Andy | brb dvm |
| 00:14.13 | yel | anyone here using xchat ? |
| 00:14.20 | SerajewelKS | yel: ask a valid question |
| 00:14.25 | dvm1981 | yes |
| 00:14.32 | dvm1981 | i'm using it now |
| 00:14.33 | SerajewelKS | !tell yel about poll |
| 00:14.33 | wols | spuffin: remove and purge the ISPConfig package |
| 00:14.48 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: What? |
| 00:14.50 | Azar | dpkg is broken |
| 00:14.58 | spuffin | wols: could you please elaborate how? I am a newb... |
| 00:14.59 | King_Andy | be right back |
| 00:15.02 | yel | SerajewelKS, would anyone of you provides me with his xchat config please i messed up my own one and need a better one |
| 00:15.03 | dvm1981 | Azar: He take an long holliday :-/ |
| 00:15.04 | wols | !poll |
| 00:15.04 | badgers | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 00:15.12 | dlynch | can someone help me with exim4, my emails are received as username@ipaddress instead of username@domainname when sent from a mySQL database. I just want this to be username@domainname |
| 00:15.14 | SerajewelKS | yel: if you messed yours up, delete it |
| 00:15.21 | wols | spuffin: aot-get remove --purgr <packagename> |
| 00:15.21 | SerajewelKS | yel: xchat will recreate it when you start it |
| 00:15.29 | Azar | yel sorry but here the topic is Debian |
| 00:15.41 | SerajewelKS | yel: or, basically, (1) quit xchat, (2) remove the config, (3) start xchat |
| 00:15.42 | dabreegster | Ever since I upgraded some stuff like mesa and to x.org on my testing machine, I have no DRI with OpenGL anymore. Some processes hang and die with 'Rage 128 timed out.' and glxgears seems slower. glxinfo reports that I do have direct rendering, though |
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| 00:15.51 | SerajewelKS | Azar: xchat is in debian |
| 00:16.09 | Azar | SerajewelKS: better it was irssi instead |
| 00:16.26 | SerajewelKS | Azar: agreed, but not everyone likes CLI, hence X |
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| 00:16.40 | King_Andy | dvm: couldnt find package font-base |
| 00:16.42 | roaet | anyone know how to configure nautilus? |
| 00:16.42 | wols | Azar: he will see the light one day when he will be thrown in purgatory for using xchat. just have patience |
| 00:16.50 | Azar | SerajewelKS: let me guess, it comes with kde or gnome right? |
| 00:17.02 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Typpo error, i search |
| 00:17.05 | SerajewelKS | Azar: gnome, afaik |
| 00:17.14 | wols | Azar: there's even a xchat-text. no gnome, no kde, no X |
| 00:17.14 | Azar | :( such a waste |
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| 00:17.33 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: xfonts-base |
| 00:17.47 | Azar | wols I have to be happy enough mirc does not cut it in linux |
| 00:17.48 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Sorry man :-/ |
| 00:18.10 | wols | yel: YOURS is just blah blah. read workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 00:18.10 | gpm | wols, dvm1981: check ou this stuff from my terminal: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1939 |
| 00:18.19 | gpm | wols, dvm1981: the problem persists... |
| 00:18.20 | King_Andy | its asking for the CD |
| 00:18.22 | King_Andy | dvm |
| 00:18.33 | gpm | wols, dvm1981: yes, i've edited /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:18.47 | dvm1981 | gpm: U |
| 00:19.02 | dvm1981 | gpm: You can been ping google, so it's working |
| 00:19.34 | wols | gpm: rename /etc/network/options if it's deprecated |
| 00:19.37 | Azar | ..test |
| 00:19.49 | wols | but I'd really look for a replacement NIC if possible |
| 00:19.51 | gpm | wols: to what? |
| 00:19.51 | dvm1981 | 123 |
| 00:19.53 | yel | wols, you seem to have a lot of to say slow down dont stress he is able to contradict me i dont think he needs you for that |
| 00:19.56 | wols | just doesn't look so good |
| 00:19.57 | *** part/#debian yel (n=yassine@xdsl-84-44-178-247.netcologne.de) |
| 00:20.00 | wols | gpm: options-old |
| 00:20.02 | spuffin | wols: unfortunately i didn't use apt-get to install ISPConfig, and it is not being found by using apt-get remove |
| 00:20.25 | dlynch | could some atleast tell me why exim is behaving like this? |
| 00:20.40 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: All right? |
| 00:20.41 | King_Andy | dvm i installed fonts, and typed starx |
| 00:20.45 | King_Andy | its workin |
| 00:20.49 | gpm | dvm1981: it's not working though, because i can't have my ip address be 192.168.1.100.... |
| 00:20.50 | King_Andy | <3 i love you |
| 00:20.55 | wols | spuffin: then delete the database(s) it made and then delete it |
| 00:21.01 | wols | spuffin: and reinstall it |
| 00:21.02 | abrotman | dlynch: try asking #exim if noone answers you here |
| 00:21.04 | gpm | dvm1981: if the ip address is that, then the box can't connect to the 'net |
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| 00:21.16 | Igor` | When I open xmms and I play.. appears: Please, it verifies if: Its plate of sound is configured correctly. You it selected plugin of correct exit. None another program is blocking the sound plate. What I do? |
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| 00:21.25 | abrotman | dlynch: though if you go into /etc/exim or exim4 .. and grep for your IP .. does it come up ? |
| 00:21.44 | Azar | Igor`: what is "plate"? |
| 00:21.46 | abrotman | Igor`: in debian? |
| 00:21.47 | wols | gpm: what IPs do the other machines on that network get? |
| 00:22.00 | petemc | dlynch: the debian exim maintainer is willing to help you in #exim, if you answer his question |
| 00:22.08 | gpm | wols: 192.168.1.101 and 192.168.1.102 |
| 00:22.10 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: No, you begin to Love 'DEBIAN GNU/LINUX'!!! |
| 00:22.12 | abrotman | !petemcsmite petemc |
| 00:22.15 | Igor` | azar plate of sound.. |
| 00:22.18 | Igor` | abrotman, yes |
| 00:22.24 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: So x working? |
| 00:22.26 | Azar | Igor`: a plugin maybe? |
| 00:22.28 | abrotman | Igor`: are you using alsa or oss . .and did you tell xmms that? |
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| 00:22.45 | Ringo999 | how do i change the keymap under debian? |
| 00:22.45 | King_Andy | yes sir |
| 00:22.46 | mindframe | is it safe to remove netkit-inetd? |
| 00:22.55 | mindframe | (or does netbase depend on it? |
| 00:22.55 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 00:22.56 | badgers | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 00:23.01 | wols | mindframe: only if you have a replacement for inetd |
| 00:23.09 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: That's verry nice man!!! |
| 00:23.16 | mindframe | how about i dont need inetd :( |
| 00:23.17 | Igor` | abrotman, no.. |
| 00:23.32 | dlynch | petemc: thanks :) |
| 00:23.51 | abrotman | no |
| 00:23.53 | King_Andy | dvm, thank you SO much for helping me |
| 00:23.53 | dvm1981 | gpm: I think, think, think, but my little head, ... :-/ |
| 00:23.59 | King_Andy | its working fine now |
| 00:23.59 | abrotman | Igor`: what do you mean no? |
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| 00:24.11 | gpm | dvm1981: thanks for trying :-) |
| 00:24.12 | King_Andy | i cant thank you enough, you were a HUUUUUGE help tonight |
| 00:24.15 | Azar | Igor`: you will need to install alsa if you did not, configure it and tell xmms to use "ALSA" plugin , not OSS |
| 00:24.20 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: You're welcome :-) |
| 00:24.33 | Azar | Igor`: |
| 00:24.36 | Azar | !alsa one-liner |
| 00:24.41 | Zodo | Fignewton: That suggestion to try noflushd seems to have solved my problem. Thanks again. |
| 00:24.42 | Azar | bah dpkg is down |
| 00:24.55 | streuner | apt, alsa one-liner |
| 00:25.19 | Azar | they took sunday church off |
| 00:25.20 | dvm1981 | gpm: So when you got the ip '169.254.68.135' the you can ping, but otherwise not. Right? |
| 00:25.38 | dvm1981 | gpm: I refer to the pastebin |
| 00:25.40 | abrotman | Azar: he doesn't have to |
| 00:25.45 | gpm | dvm1981: yeah. but if i have 192.168.1.100, i can still ping the router and other computers connected to it |
| 00:25.49 | Ringo999 | oh hi abrotman, and thx ;) |
| 00:25.49 | wols | gpm: use "route" when your IP is 169.... |
| 00:25.50 | abrotman | Azar: xmms is quite capable of using OSS |
| 00:25.53 | gpm | dvm1981: but i can't ping google or internet |
| 00:25.56 | abrotman | hi Ringo999 |
| 00:26.01 | gpm | wols: route? |
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| 00:26.16 | gpm | wols: pastebin the result? |
| 00:26.22 | Azar | ah abrotman, ok anyways I do not understand what he says with "plate' |
| 00:26.41 | wols | sure |
| 00:26.55 | abrotman | Azar: it's a bad translation .. xmms is saying that the correct output plugin isn't being used |
| 00:26.56 | abrotman | !br |
| 00:26.56 | badgers | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:27.03 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Look for 'ssh', really helpfull, you're next challenge :-/ |
| 00:27.21 | abrotman | Azar: start XMMS .. go to the Preferences .. see the Output Plugin ? |
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| 00:27.24 | gpm | wols: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1940 |
| 00:27.38 | Azar | abrotman, not me, :) Igor` |
| 00:27.50 | Azar | my xmms is ok |
| 00:28.07 | abrotman | Azar: i'm telling you to look so you understand what's happening |
| 00:28.28 | Azar | abrotman, yes I have tols my xmms to use alsa plugin is shown in preferences |
| 00:28.59 | Azar | .. I had my hell with alsa / xmms finally is set nicely |
| 00:29.36 | Azar | save some trees |
| 00:29.42 | abrotman | you mean like you can with sarge? |
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| 00:29.54 | Igor` | sorry.. now I got.. |
| 00:29.58 | gpm | wols: any clues there? |
| 00:29.59 | Igor` | thanks.. |
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| 00:30.01 | Azar | abrotman, no I got oss with my install I had to install and configure alsa |
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| 00:30.27 | dvm1981 | gpm: But i have see that you have been recive reply's http://channels.debian.net/paste/1939 |
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| 00:30.51 | dvm1981 | gpm: So that's an dns issue some else, i think |
| 00:30.59 | gpm | dvm1981: what do you mean? |
| 00:31.09 | dvm1981 | gpm: 4 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=238 time=537 ms |
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| 00:31.26 | Unity | 537 ms is hella long time |
| 00:31.28 | dvm1981 | gpm - |
| 00:31.34 | dvm1981 | gpm: 65 |
| 00:31.37 | dvm1981 | shit |
| 00:31.39 | dvm1981 | 64 |
| 00:31.49 | Loplin | Hello |
| 00:31.53 | dvm1981 | My keyboard are not happy :-/ |
| 00:31.55 | gpm | dvm1981: what about 64? |
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| 00:32.06 | dvm1981 | gpm: 64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=238 time=537 ms |
| 00:32.20 | gpm | dvm1981: yes, what's your point? |
| 00:32.28 | dvm1981 | gpm: dns issue |
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| 00:32.39 | gpm | dvm1981: what does that mean? |
| 00:32.54 | wols | gpm: not really. it baffles me a bit. your router looks a bit strange there... |
| 00:33.09 | gpm | befsr41 |
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| 00:33.21 | Loplin | Can anyone tell me how to make sure 'make xconfig' isn't using old files, I tried it the first time and it gave me problems about missing qt, I install some qt packages and now I want to try it again, but it gives me an error without even trying to make it again |
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| 00:33.26 | dvm1981 | gpm: That you're computer not know the names of the computers. He only know IP |
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| 00:33.46 | dvm1981 | gpm: Try to go http://64.233.187.99 |
| 00:33.52 | curt | Loplin, make clean? |
| 00:33.56 | dvm1981 | gpm: Is google?? |
| 00:33.59 | gpm | dvm1981: yeah |
| 00:34.04 | wols | dvm1981: a high ping is not a dns proble, at the time the ping returns, there is no DNS inolved anymore |
| 00:34.15 | Loplin | curt: thanks |
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| 00:34.55 | dvm1981 | wols: I not see what happend then, he need to play with 'route' |
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| 00:35.10 | Loplin | now, does anyone know what the qt enviroment variable is supposed to be set to? I think I have the appropriate packages installed |
| 00:35.24 | gpm | wols: you think i should invest in a new router perhaps? |
| 00:35.27 | gpm | or the nic is to blame? |
| 00:35.37 | dvm1981 | gpm: No |
| 00:35.39 | wols | gpm: invest in a new NIC first |
| 00:35.42 | shingouz | gpm: wireless nic perhaps? |
| 00:35.44 | dvm1981 | gpm: Config problem |
| 00:36.04 | wols | cause no matter how fscked up the router would be: if you set a static interface in interfaces, it should come up as static after bootup |
| 00:36.08 | curt | gpm you don't have a wireless interface also do you? |
| 00:36.08 | wols | if it doesn |
| 00:36.13 | gpm | my cat5 cable is sorta busted up...it might be that |
| 00:36.16 | gpm | curt: no |
| 00:36.23 | wols | if it's doesn't, it's this' PCs fault |
| 00:36.25 | dvm1981 | gpm: It's workt been, just you computer not know what he must do, he not know the names of the computer. |
| 00:36.34 | dvm1981 | s |
| 00:36.48 | werneck | I just moved a computer to a different location on my network, still using the same router, but now I can't reach the internet from it... any idea where should I look or the config I should change ? |
| 00:36.52 | wols | gpm: then get a new cable. cheapest possibility of all :) |
| 00:37.04 | gpm | yeah |
| 00:37.09 | gpm | i'm going to see if that fixes it first. |
| 00:37.11 | gpm | :-) |
| 00:37.14 | gpm | O/O |
| 00:37.16 | gpm | thanks all |
| 00:37.19 | dvm1981 | gpm: A beer? Play with 'route' or the resolv.conf are not good setup. |
| 00:37.49 | dvm1981 | To late... |
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| 00:38.43 | curt | !beer curt |
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| 00:39.13 | wols | !tea me |
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| 00:39.21 | wols | ick. that's evil |
| 00:39.24 | endeavormac | does anyone here have debian successfully installed on a powerbook? |
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| 00:39.33 | wols | !anyone |
| 00:39.34 | badgers | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:39.52 | dvm1981 | werneck: Is you're pc configured to DHCP or an fixed ip? |
| 00:40.05 | endeavormac | ok, can someone give me some pointers, let me know if there's anything i need to do when installing debian on a powerbook |
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| 00:40.25 | werneck | dvm1981: it's static |
| 00:40.45 | dvm1981 | werneck: Ping to another computer work? |
| 00:40.45 | bust3r | i have a weird problem, whenever i add a user and want to do su username it gives me No shell |
| 00:40.46 | Azar | endeavormac: google : debian on powerbook |
| 00:40.54 | bust3r | also an older user i had on it says No shell |
| 00:40.59 | bust3r | any idea what that is ? |
| 00:40.59 | wols | endeavormac: "howto debian powerbook" in google and you will find a shitload of stuff |
| 00:41.04 | \amethyst | bust3r: what is the user's shell in /etc/passwd? |
| 00:41.05 | endeavormac | ok, thanks |
| 00:41.12 | \amethyst | bust3r: it's the last field |
| 00:41.14 | dvm1981 | wols: The 'hosts' |
| 00:41.24 | wols | dvm1981: hm? |
| 00:41.26 | bust3r | its /bin/bash |
| 00:41.37 | Wedge^ | hello, I want to forward x11 apps from my debian box via ssh, I read somewhere that you don't need to install and run the complete xserver in order to do this. Can someone tell me what to install to make this work? |
| 00:41.39 | werneck | dvm1981: yes, ping to the router works, I can ssh from other computer to it, but I can't login... it get stuck on the login message |
| 00:41.42 | \amethyst | bust3r: is that listed in /bin/bash? |
| 00:41.48 | dvm1981 | wols: That can are the problem for that person that has goes one, gpm |
| 00:41.51 | \amethyst | bust3r: err, is that listed in /etc/shells |
| 00:41.52 | \amethyst | ? |
| 00:41.55 | \amethyst | it should be |
| 00:41.55 | Dwonis | Wedge^: VNC, perhaps? |
| 00:41.58 | wols | werneck: only xlibx |
| 00:42.00 | bust3r | lemme see |
| 00:42.31 | Wedge^ | Dwonis: I want to use x11 forwarding though |
| 00:42.39 | wols | dvm1981: /etc/hosts does not deal with IP assignment or routing. he doesn't get his proper IP. it's no DNS issue |
| 00:42.53 | wols | werneck: xlibs. sorry |
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| 00:43.04 | werneck | wols: xlibs ? |
| 00:43.07 | dvm1981 | wols: But the ip and name of the route. |
| 00:43.15 | \amethyst | Wedge^: you ssh -X from the box with the display to the box where you're running the programs |
| 00:43.19 | wols | dvm1981: no |
| 00:43.25 | Dwonis | Wedge^: You'll need an X server, but only on the machine where your keyboard/mouse/display is |
| 00:43.25 | bust3r | yes its listen in /etc/shells |
| 00:43.36 | bust3r | listed* |
| 00:43.36 | dvm1981 | wols: Ok, whas thinking about :-/ |
| 00:43.44 | wols | werneck: apt-cache show xlibs. just install whatever x program you want. it will only install xlibs as a dependency, not the x-server |
| 00:43.46 | Dwonis | Wedge^: On the remove host, check that X11Forwarding is enabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 00:43.51 | bust3r | and its in passwd |
| 00:43.52 | Dwonis | Wedge^: s/remove/remote/ |
| 00:43.52 | \amethyst | Wedge^: you need the X libraries on both computers, but you'll only need the X server on the box with the monitor |
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| 00:43.57 | ichigo-san | anyone know what pakage i can instal on debian sarge to be able to go into my ntfs partition? |
| 00:44.00 | bust3r | but whenever i try to do su bust3r for example |
| 00:44.00 | Loplin | 'make xconfig' keeps giving me problems about missing qt files, I installed a few packages, but it still gives me an error, anyone know which qt package needs to be installed for 'make xconfig' to work? |
| 00:44.02 | bust3r | says no shell |
| 00:44.18 | wols | ichigo-san: none. just "modprobe ntfs" |
| 00:44.22 | \amethyst | bust3r: could you give me the bust3r line from /etc/passwd? |
| 00:44.30 | bust3r | yea hold on a sec :) |
| 00:44.35 | \amethyst | bust3r: if you're not using shadow, replace the second field with x |
| 00:44.36 | wols | if you need write access: there is captive-ntfs, but it's buggy |
| 00:44.48 | ichigo-san | wols: iight |
| 00:44.51 | werneck | wols: ??? are you sure you are talking with the right person ? |
| 00:44.52 | Wedge^ | \amethyst: x libraries, is that a separate package? (I got the other sorted out, ssh is setup fine, and it works with my fedora box) |
| 00:44.52 | bust3r | bust3r:x:1000:1000:,,,:/home/bust3r:/bin/bash |
| 00:44.58 | wols | Loplin: probably some qt -dev package |
| 00:45.05 | bust3r | thats whats in passwd \amethyst |
| 00:45.11 | \amethyst | Wedge^: xlibs |
| 00:45.19 | dvm1981 | werneck: Restarting the network have help? |
| 00:45.24 | Wedge^ | \amethyst: ok, thanks, I'll give it a shot |
| 00:45.26 | \amethyst | Wedge^: basically, you'll need whatever the program you're running depends on |
| 00:45.29 | Wedge^ | Dwonis: thanks |
| 00:45.32 | wols | werneck: no I don't :( too many nicks with "we" :( |
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| 00:45.43 | ruzgar | hello |
| 00:45.45 | |ariel| | can anyone give a hand setting up the sound with wine |
| 00:45.48 | wols | as for your problem with a too long login via ssh: check your reverse dns on that sshd box |
| 00:45.56 | werneck | dvm1981: no, nothing... seems like a nameserver misconfiguration, right ? |
| 00:45.57 | wols | !anyone |
| 00:45.58 | badgers | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:46.01 | \amethyst | bust3r: that looks fine... |
| 00:46.04 | \amethyst | bust3r: strange |
| 00:46.04 | bust3r | any idea what might be wrong \amethyst ? |
| 00:46.07 | bust3r | yes i know |
| 00:46.09 | bust3r | heh |
| 00:46.10 | ruzgar | how can i install monodevleop to my debian system(which code i mean) |
| 00:46.14 | \amethyst | bust3r: and /bin/bash exists, right? |
| 00:46.14 | Loplin | wols: thanks, I'll just install them all |
| 00:46.16 | jelly | |ariel|: doesn't work at all, or...? |
| 00:46.17 | dvm1981 | werneck: '/etc/resolf.conf' ? |
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| 00:46.20 | bust3r | yes |
| 00:46.27 | bust3r | i can login as root fine root uses bash |
| 00:46.37 | werneck | dvm1981: ok... let me check it |
| 00:46.49 | |ariel| | jelly, nopes, it doesnt work |
| 00:46.50 | \amethyst | bust3r: what about su - bust3r ? |
| 00:46.53 | \amethyst | bust3r: with the hyphen |
| 00:47.08 | bust3r | aries:/etc# su - bust3r |
| 00:47.09 | bust3r | Unable to cd to "/home/bust3r" |
| 00:47.09 | bust3r | aries:/etc# |
| 00:47.09 | Dwonis | badgers? What happened to dpkg? |
| 00:47.13 | wols | werneck: is this in a LAN? with static IPs? |
| 00:47.20 | werneck | wols: yes |
| 00:47.21 | wols | Dwonis: it died |
| 00:47.31 | \amethyst | bust3r: does bust3r own and have permissions on /home/bust3r ? |
| 00:47.44 | bust3r | not sure |
| 00:47.45 | wols | werneck: then set up the LAN IPs and hostnames in /etc/hosts on every host. or at least on the one all others use for DNS |
| 00:47.52 | \amethyst | bust3r: ls -ld /home/bust3r |
| 00:47.59 | |ariel| | jelly, the sound works fine with xmms, xine, kde environment, but it does not work with wine |
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| 00:48.03 | werneck | wols: ok... |
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| 00:48.19 | ruzgar | how can i install monodevleop to my debian system(which code i mean) |
| 00:48.30 | wols | werneck: if ssh can't rdns a connecion it will take a veeery long time to connect sometimes |
| 00:48.33 | Dwonis | wols: ok, so why does dpkg show up in /names? |
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| 00:48.47 | casterman | how can i find if a device is connected usb 1 or usb 2? |
| 00:48.50 | bust3r | ls -ld /home/bust3r |
| 00:48.50 | bust3r | drwxr-xr-x 2 bust3r bust3r 4096 2006-02-26 12:43 /home/bust3r |
| 00:48.56 | wols | Dwonis: ask dpkg. all I know is, dpkg doesn't answer anymore |
| 00:49.02 | roaet | how do you add . to $PATH ? |
| 00:49.09 | roaet | set $PATH = $PATH":." |
| 00:49.10 | roaet | ? |
| 00:49.11 | wols | roaet: :. |
| 00:49.12 | \amethyst | bust3r: most strange |
| 00:49.23 | roaet | i don't know where to edit $PATH at |
| 00:49.25 | wols | roaet: export in bash. also, if this is for root: do NOT do it |
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| 00:49.29 | \amethyst | bust3r: have you installed or uninstalled anything recently? |
| 00:49.38 | Dwonis | wols: yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to sound so demanding |
| 00:49.55 | wols | roaet: grep PATH ~/.* |
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| 00:50.07 | wols | Dwonis: you're not. we're all puzzled about it |
| 00:50.14 | bust3r | yea |
| 00:50.16 | bust3r | typo3 |
| 00:50.28 | bust3r | it asked me to chown / to www-data |
| 00:50.32 | bust3r | user www-data |
| 00:50.37 | bust3r | who needs to own / |
| 00:50.38 | bust3r | ? |
| 00:50.41 | \amethyst | bust3r: what asked you about that? |
| 00:50.49 | bust3r | the readme.txt |
| 00:50.52 | wols | bust3r: root does. no one else |
| 00:50.55 | \amethyst | bust3r: what's typo3 |
| 00:50.56 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 00:51.02 | bust3r | some stupid website engine |
| 00:51.03 | bust3r | heh |
| 00:51.12 | bust3r | how do i make root owner of / again ? |
| 00:51.16 | \amethyst | chown root.root / |
| 00:51.21 | \amethyst | bust3r: how did you chown? |
| 00:51.23 | wols | maybe typo3 meant to change ITS root like /var/www to www-data |
| 00:51.26 | \amethyst | you didn't use -R did you? |
| 00:51.27 | wols | not the systemwide one |
| 00:51.33 | wols | if it does: ditch it now, it sucks |
| 00:51.41 | bust3r | im not sure if i did |
| 00:51.43 | |splat| | "/" is website root, not server root |
| 00:51.46 | \amethyst | bust3r: ls -ld /bin/su |
| 00:51.50 | \amethyst | err |
| 00:51.53 | \amethyst | you don't need the d there |
| 00:52.00 | Dwonis | bust3r, the only way "/" would be owned by www-data would be if you were setting up a chroot environment. But even that wouldn't be the *real* / |
| 00:52.11 | bust3r | ls -ld /bin/su |
| 00:52.11 | bust3r | -rwxrwx--- 1 root www-data 23416 2005-05-18 01:33 /bin/su |
| 00:52.14 | King_Andy | i have one last question for anyone, i need to resize my view for KDE for something larger than the max view (800x600) |
| 00:52.17 | \amethyst | bust3r: oh no |
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| 00:52.25 | \amethyst | bust3r: you've messed up perms pretty bad |
| 00:52.28 | wols | bust3r: now you have a problem. a big one |
| 00:52.28 | bust3r | any way i can fix it |
| 00:52.31 | bust3r | damn |
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| 00:52.43 | yawg | i need to find a floppy install of debian that uses less memory durring installation |
| 00:52.45 | King_Andy | i need like a 1024x780 or w/e it is, thats what i need |
| 00:52.46 | Dwonis | bust3r: I hope you did that. If you didn't I'd suspect that the machine has been compromised. |
| 00:52.59 | wols | yawg: use an old version of debian and upgrade it |
| 00:53.01 | \amethyst | bust3r: and what about /bin/bash ? |
| 00:53.01 | bust3r | yea i did that |
| 00:53.03 | yawg | the standard floppy install i have now always has an error durring the final download step |
| 00:53.08 | wols | yawg: woody with a 2.2 kernel for example |
| 00:53.10 | yawg | wols: can you provide a link? |
| 00:53.14 | yawg | i've been googling all day |
| 00:53.17 | bust3r | ls -ld /bin/bash |
| 00:53.17 | bust3r | -rwxrwx--- 1 root www-data 625228 2004-12-19 10:53 /bin/bash |
| 00:53.18 | wols | yawg: sorry no |
| 00:53.19 | roaet | wols, i changed it in bash_profile. Is there something I have to do to make these changes take effect? |
| 00:53.28 | \amethyst | so the whole disk is chgrp www-data, chmod 770 |
| 00:53.29 | \amethyst | ouch |
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| 00:53.36 | kizmet | roaet, restart bash ? |
| 00:53.43 | bust3r | any way i can fix it \amethyst ? |
| 00:53.47 | \amethyst | Thinking |
| 00:53.53 | bust3r | ok :) |
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| 00:54.00 | \amethyst | Surely there's some program to restore permissions for packaged files |
| 00:54.03 | dvm1981 | roaet: Log out an in again |
| 00:54.13 | kizmet | bust3r, last time i fixed a problem like that by just re-installing all my packages :) |
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| 00:54.43 | SperMite | 00 0 * * * root /sbin/shutdown -h +5 how would i make it so it shutsdown down at 6am? |
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| 00:54.50 | Dwonis | \amethyst, bust3r: Even then, there's still conffiles to worry about. I'd reinstall the box. (Actually I *did* reinstall the box when I did something similar, years ago) |
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| 00:54.58 | nvz | kizmet: thats kind of like how a few ton of dynamite really unclogs the toilet |
| 00:55.00 | Knorrie | SperMite: use at |
| 00:55.03 | bust3r | :( |
| 00:55.08 | roaet | ah thank you I got it |
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| 00:55.19 | \amethyst | SperMite: every day? 00 6 * * * |
| 00:55.29 | Knorrie | nvz: LOL |
| 00:55.30 | \amethyst | SperMite: if you want a one-time trigger, use at |
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| 00:55.51 | bust3r | i wish i can fix it without reinstalling tho :/ |
| 00:56.28 | Dwonis | bust3r: Make no mistake: there _are_ other ways of doing it, but it's a pain and not likely to be 100% correct. Reinstalling is probably just the *easiest* thing. Otherwise, you'll probably be dealing with perms-related problems months in the future. |
| 00:56.54 | King_Andy | i have one last question for anyone, i need to resize my view for KDE for something larger than the max view (800x600)...i need like a 1024x780 or w/e it is, but the option isnt in the KDE menu. Anyone able to help? |
| 00:57.08 | Knorrie | bust3r: i wonder... you can do really stupid destructing things with a root prompt |
| 00:57.08 | wols | bust3r: either a clean cut now or a long drawn out process |
| 00:57.10 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: yep |
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| 00:57.26 | wols | King_Andy: dpkg-reconfigure your xserver |
| 00:57.45 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: First, make a copy of the file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 00:58.01 | King_Andy | how so dvm? |
| 00:58.26 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: cp source destination |
| 00:58.39 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:59.06 | King_Andy | lol, dont forget im a noob, how do i copy the source destination? |
| 00:59.20 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4_800x600 |
| 00:59.36 | dvm1981 | oeps |
| 00:59.44 | bust3r | isnt there like a restore for debian ? to put all the permissions back ? |
| 00:59.58 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Yes, i have been understand :-/ |
| 01:00.12 | \amethyst | bust3r: reinstalling the packages does that, but won't fix config files etc |
| 01:00.17 | dvm1981 | bust3r: Restore backup |
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| 01:00.32 | wols | bust3r: no. reinstalling all packages will change back the binaries. but all config files and data you generated yourself won't be |
| 01:00.41 | nvz | bust3r: that was an avoidable problem beforehand. now you have to reinstall and if you cant steer clear of that disaster in the future, maybe there is a nut loose behind the wheel |
| 01:00.42 | Dwonis | bust3r: If you have the output of "ls -lR /" somewhere, you could be helped |
| 01:00.55 | werneck | wols dvm1981 thanks, it works now |
| 01:01.04 | Dwonis | bust3r: but you probably don't :) |
| 01:01.24 | casterman | good nite |
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| 01:01.33 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: If x comlain, when there are some troubles. To come back to the old state 'cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 _800x600 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' |
| 01:02.09 | mindframe | why would ssh close as soon as i enter my login name? |
| 01:02.16 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: There are a space to many ... _800... |
| 01:02.44 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: So, i's sure 'cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4_800x600 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' |
| 01:02.49 | King_Andy | okay |
| 01:02.55 | nvz | mindframe: no shell for you! |
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| 01:03.06 | mindframe | thats odd |
| 01:03.15 | mindframe | i know for a fact i have /bin/bash listed as my shell |
| 01:03.26 | nvz | mindframe: this is why they made special flags for the client/server to get debugging output |
| 01:03.32 | Dwonis | bust3r: Reinstalling shouldn't be that bad. Your homedir can be pretty much copied verbatim, just make sure you use structer permissions than normal (e.g. make your file/dir permissions 0600 or 0700) so that stuff like ~/.ssh/id_rsa doesn't leak out. Other config files can be copied back as well as you determine that you need them. |
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| 01:04.00 | jbrimble | hi |
| 01:04.06 | dvm1981 | hoy |
| 01:04.16 | bust3r | well i think i just might reinstall lol |
| 01:04.27 | Dwonis | bust3r: Good idea. It's a pain, but it's way less of a pain in the long run than not reinstalling. |
| 01:04.28 | dvm1981 | bust3r: Is best |
| 01:04.31 | bust3r | then after that im gonna kill the persons of typo3 lol |
| 01:04.44 | bust3r | they made me do it :/ |
| 01:04.46 | dvm1981 | bust3r: Also |
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| 01:04.50 | dvm1981 | :-) |
| 01:05.11 | ACU_01 | Any insight of how to connect to folders shared in windows (or MacOSX) servers ---- I use smb:// etc to connect and either I see the folders inside but it does not allow me to do anything --- or in other folders I cannot see the content -----(it happens to me in both Debian Sarge and Ubuntu) --- I appreciate any "simple" feedback for my little baby brain |
| 01:05.14 | SperMite | \amethyst doe's this look right? 00 6 * * * root dcop kdesktop KScreensaverIface lock -h +5 |
| 01:05.23 | Dwonis | bust3r: I feel your pain |
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| 01:06.05 | \amethyst | SperMite: for /etc/crontab? is dcop the name of the program you want to execute? |
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| 01:06.27 | SperMite | <\amethyst yeah it locks the session |
| 01:06.37 | Dwonis | \amethyst: dcop sends a message to kdesktop via DCOP |
| 01:06.38 | \amethyst | SperMite: then that should be right for /etc/crontab |
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| 01:06.45 | \amethyst | Dwonis: ah, I don't run KDE |
| 01:06.57 | klock | yo, when I move my mouse in X, it crashes it. (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device dev/input/mice No Such Device is my error message |
| 01:07.00 | klock | any ideas? |
| 01:07.02 | Dwonis | SperMite: why is it running as root? |
| 01:07.04 | \amethyst | SperMite: for root's user crontab you would omit the root field |
| 01:07.20 | SperMite | <Dwonis dunno |
| 01:07.20 | \amethyst | SperMite: yeah, can root talk to the user's dcop? |
| 01:07.31 | dvm1981 | klock: What type of mouse you use? |
| 01:07.31 | astronut | what modules does a USB mouse use? mousedev and...? |
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| 01:07.44 | klock | ps2 |
| 01:07.47 | SperMite | =? not sure |
| 01:07.55 | klock | oh shit, nevermind |
| 01:08.02 | klock | I GOT IT |
| 01:08.05 | klock | later |
| 01:08.06 | floyd_n_milan | would anyone know why grub would give an error that says something very similar to "Unknown Partition Type 0x8e"? |
| 01:08.10 | astronut | klock: hold a sec |
| 01:08.10 | \amethyst | SperMite: why exectly are you locking the screen every 6AM? |
| 01:08.12 | astronut | crap |
| 01:08.18 | dvm1981 | klock: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and select the psaux |
| 01:08.55 | Dwonis | SperMite: If dcopserver (or the app, I suppose) is running as a user, and you're running dcop as root, there's the potential for a security hole. |
| 01:09.08 | astronut | dvm1981: what's a USB mouse? |
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| 01:09.13 | astronut | i never can remember since I don't use it |
| 01:09.18 | astronut | i'm just manually editing conf |
| 01:09.25 | astronut | it's a friends box, remotely |
| 01:09.34 | dvm1981 | astronut: Same case here :-/ |
| 01:09.39 | LinuxNIT | anyone here know if the dwl-g650 dlink wireless card works well. madwifi.org reported it as working |
| 01:09.48 | astronut | dvm1981: i have root on their box |
| 01:09.58 | astronut | LinuxNIT: it uses acx100, it's so-so IIRC |
| 01:10.01 | abrotman | /dev/input/mice |
| 01:10.06 | dvm1981 | astronut: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:10.09 | astronut | my g630 worked ok w/o wep, apparently wep is sketchy |
| 01:10.11 | Dwonis | \amethyst: I don't run KDE either, but I use Kopete, and I wanted to tie my "away" status to my "lock screen" key binding, so I learned a bit about the "dcop" command. |
| 01:10.16 | astronut | dvm1981: don't want whole thing, jus tto manaully edit conf |
| 01:10.24 | astronut | and it's xorg |
| 01:10.25 | Dwonis | Kopete is an instant messager program |
| 01:10.46 | LinuxNIT | hmm madwifi.org says the chipset is AR5212 |
| 01:10.46 | abrotman | !why is blah not in testing |
| 01:10.46 | badgers | blah is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=blah |
| 01:10.47 | \amethyst | Dwonis: I don't even have kdelibs* |
| 01:10.48 | SperMite | <\amethyst> i want to keep my computer on so my apache stays up. and my roomate tends to try in sneak on it when im at work, and most mornings im out the door by 4am so i tend to forget about my box |
| 01:11.00 | dvm1981 | astronut: You need to do it, and not change it be the hand, or read '/etc/X11/XF86Config-4' |
| 01:11.10 | \amethyst | SperMite: set up KDE's screensaver to automatically lock the screen then |
| 01:11.20 | astronut | dvm1981: i know how to edit a conf, i just forge tthe protocol |
| 01:11.24 | dvm1981 | astronut: Read been what there are noted on the top of it. |
| 01:11.27 | \amethyst | SperMite: say, after 2 hours of inactivity |
| 01:11.41 | \amethyst | SperMite: though 20 or 30 min would be safer |
| 01:12.11 | Dwonis | SperMite: or bind the "lock" command to a key (I use Pause/Break) using keylaunch. |
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| 01:12.27 | mindframe | nvz: so what flags can i use w/ ssh to get some debug info on why its not letting me in? |
| 01:12.29 | Dwonis | SperMite: and get into the habit of pressing the key when you leave your desk |
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| 01:12.51 | SperMite | Dwonis sounds good |
| 01:12.56 | dvm1981 | Are there an bot that are not in holiday? |
| 01:13.05 | Dwonis | mindframe: ssh -vvv |
| 01:13.08 | abrotman | SperMite: does he have a login? |
| 01:13.23 | \amethyst | Spermite: Yeah, I bind xscreensaver-command -lock to shift-sleep |
| 01:13.23 | SperMite | abrotman no |
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| 01:13.41 | Pedro420 | nvz: are you around? |
| 01:13.43 | abrotman | SperMite: lock it .. or log out .. or tell xscreensaver to kick on after 5 minutes |
| 01:13.52 | Dwonis | SperMite: I assume this person is not a computer genius. Otherwise, if he has physical access, you're screwed. |
| 01:13.58 | nvz | Pedro420: nope |
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| 01:14.49 | Pedro420 | nvz: do you want to get your sound feeder sometime? |
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| 01:15.09 | nvz | I suppose |
| 01:15.12 | Dwonis | SperMite: If you're going to use keylaunch, here's the config line I use: "key=...Pause:~/bin/goaway" (~/bin/goaway is a script where I put all the stuff I want done when I lock the screen, but of course you can put any command here) |
| 01:15.16 | SperMite | Dwonis just a windoze user trying to act cool on linux .. messing with files he shouldnt be in. |
| 01:15.33 | bust3r | oh well uptoo to do a new install |
| 01:15.34 | bust3r | lol |
| 01:15.36 | bust3r | thnx all |
| 01:15.37 | nvz | Pedro420: moving to Guatemala? |
| 01:15.37 | bust3r | :) |
| 01:15.42 | bust3r | be back soon |
| 01:15.44 | bust3r | hehe |
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| 01:15.59 | Dwonis | SperMite: If you can, give him an account, and teach him to log in using it. Then, he'll either get bored, or we'll have a new Debian advocate on our hands :) |
| 01:16.00 | Pedro420 | nvz: i cant here music through my computer so its just sitting her collecting dust. |
| 01:16.15 | King_Andy | hey DVM: it wont work... the option doesnt pop up on the 'configure desktop' options in KDE |
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| 01:16.25 | King_Andy | just 800x600 and under |
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| 01:16.32 | King_Andy | not 1024x780 |
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| 01:16.41 | nvz | Pedro420: yeah they sell these round things with wires attached to them at the store that work pretty good for that |
| 01:17.06 | Pedro420 | nvz: yea and |
| 01:17.25 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: With dpkg-reconfi... you have been choose the 1024x768? And is you're refresh rate good setup? |
| 01:17.29 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 01:17.29 | badgers | i heard hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 01:17.39 | King_Andy | i think so |
| 01:17.42 | nvz | badgers: wb |
| 01:17.42 | badgers | thanks, nvz. It's good to be back. |
| 01:17.56 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Twoo times, you must difine or select the 1024x768 |
| 01:18.09 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: I have say it bad. |
| 01:18.18 | Dwonis | jetscreamer: hwinfo... nifty! |
| 01:18.20 | King_Andy | okay, im diong the setup again lol |
| 01:18.31 | King_Andy | DVM i understand, dont worry |
| 01:18.54 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: When do the dpkg-reconfig... there are twoo windows where you can specify it, one after one... |
| 01:18.56 | Pedro420 | nvz: well its yours and you said you could be using so i just figured you could come get it when you have the chance. |
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| 01:19.31 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Or post the config file on the pastebin, so i can look the actual state. |
| 01:19.46 | Nexus | So vim is borked in testing, but I want to run apt-get upgrade to upgrade all the other packages. Is it possible to upgrade all but vim? |
| 01:20.02 | nvz | !hold |
| 01:20.03 | badgers | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 01:20.03 | King_Andy | okay, its starting up KDE again |
| 01:20.35 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Or via ssh from another computer, but i will not konfuse you... |
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| 01:20.46 | King_Andy | lol |
| 01:20.53 | dvm1981 | s/konfuse/confuse |
| 01:21.20 | Nexus | nvz, Ahh, thanks you. |
| 01:21.21 | Dwonis | dvm1981: You had it right in the first place |
| 01:21.21 | wols_ | dvm1981: great type :) |
| 01:21.24 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Really helpfull the ssh, you learn it the next commings day.. |
| 01:21.24 | Nexus | er thank you even. |
| 01:21.31 | wols_ | kde needs to write a prorgam named "konfuse" |
| 01:21.33 | dvm1981 | Dwonis: With? |
| 01:21.37 | King_Andy | okay, im in KDE and i go into configure desktop, then display, and the 1024x780 option isnt there... :\ |
| 01:21.41 | worthy | Im installing VMWare on Debian 3.1 and I install the kernel-sources. Where are my C header files located please? |
| 01:21.44 | Dwonis | dvm1981: "konfuse" |
| 01:22.07 | wols_ | worthy: kernel headers, and libc6-dev |
| 01:22.34 | jetscreamer | King_Andy: configure your xserver properly, probably |
| 01:22.35 | nvz | worthy: they are wherever you put them |
| 01:22.39 | worthy | what is the path to my C header files |
| 01:22.40 | dvm1981 | Dwonis: That word not exist, say my translator... |
| 01:22.56 | King_Andy | i did, i chose 1024x780 in both spots |
| 01:22.58 | jetscreamer | dvm1981: (k)confuse |
| 01:23.00 | worthy | i installed kernel-sources with apt-get so I don't know where they are |
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| 01:23.03 | wols_ | worthy: /usr/include/ |
| 01:23.03 | Nexus | My one other question is that I want to install the last testing vim package before it got borked... I tried messing with pinning or using apt-get install vim=6.4.6 but couldn't quite get it to work. What's the best way to do that? |
| 01:23.06 | Dwonis | dvm1981: Sorry. I'm just making fun of KDE |
| 01:23.08 | nvz | worthy: dpkg -L |
| 01:23.13 | worthy | ok i'll try that |
| 01:23.16 | dvm1981 | Dwonis: ;-0 |
| 01:23.21 | Dwonis | dvm1981: I guess I have to be careful about non-native english speakers... :) |
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| 01:23.45 | Pedro420 | nvz: btw, when can I have my pipe back ? |
| 01:23.48 | jetscreamer | King_Andy: did you choose medium or advanced, and you might want to apt-get install hwinfo read-edid mdetect && sudo hwinfo --monitor |
| 01:23.54 | dvm1981 | Dwonis: Sorry, my english is verry bad, i try to learn it :-/ |
| 01:23.56 | wols_ | worthy: you need to install kernel-headers and libc6-dev |
| 01:24.11 | King_Andy | i did medium i beleive |
| 01:24.19 | worthy | nope, not /usr/include |
| 01:24.22 | Azar | lots of diapers today |
| 01:24.38 | nvz | Pedro420: I dunno.. do you need it? |
| 01:24.44 | King_Andy | let me goback and retry it in advanced |
| 01:24.46 | jetscreamer | worthy: /usr/src/kernel-headers |
| 01:25.04 | worthy | ok ill try that |
| 01:25.06 | jetscreamer | King_Andy: you only want advanced if you know the horiz & refresh rates |
| 01:25.10 | Pedro420 | nvz: No, just don't lose or neglect it, thats all. |
| 01:25.15 | jetscreamer | hwinfo --monitor tells you |
| 01:25.19 | Dwonis | dvm1981: no problem. English takes a long time to learn to speak correctly anyway (and "correctly" changes depending on where you are from) |
| 01:25.21 | nvz | Pedro420: neglect.. heh |
| 01:25.23 | wols_ | jetscreamer: he asked for "C header files" |
| 01:25.27 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 01:25.50 | jetscreamer | but he said kernel-sources so i can't read anyway |
| 01:25.55 | wols_ | jetscreamer: of course vmware wants kernel headers, I told him two times about it by now, he still ignores me... |
| 01:26.01 | jetscreamer | the source is a bzip file in usr/src |
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| 01:26.15 | dvm1981 | Dwonis: So i never learn it good? :-( I'm geek to try to learn it from myself? |
| 01:26.23 | jetscreamer | but source!= headers unless you compiled the kernel with the source |
| 01:26.36 | nvz | jetscreamer: which is why I told him to dpkg -L and the files are wherever he puts them |
| 01:27.01 | wols_ | nvz: you didn't tell him what he wanted to hear so he ignores you |
| 01:27.06 | nvz | good point though.. he should have tried that kernel-headers package |
| 01:27.08 | Azar | any new Debian users here today? |
| 01:27.20 | jetscreamer | op==other people in this instance |
| 01:27.37 | Dwonis | !kdesmite jetscreamer |
| 01:27.39 | gravity | wols_: We do |
| 01:27.43 | jetscreamer | op cigarettes are the least expensive on the market |
| 01:27.49 | wols_ | gravity: well, not afk ones |
| 01:27.49 | nvz | Azar: abrotman is here |
| 01:28.02 | jetscreamer | !crabpastesmite Dwonis |
| 01:28.04 | Azar | hi nvz, me waves at abrotmn |
| 01:28.05 | gravity | wols_: Is there a specific problem? |
| 01:28.05 | King_Andy | Azar, im new to debian |
| 01:28.05 | daft | they just dont want to get pmed for no reason at all |
| 01:28.09 | worthy | i dont understand dpkg -L |
| 01:28.17 | Pedro420 | nvz: Man if you are not neglecting her, then what are you too good to stop here and burn anymore ? |
| 01:28.17 | worthy | how do i look for my C header files like that |
| 01:28.17 | Azar | I got a killer tutorial for new Debian users... |
| 01:28.19 | wols_ | gravity: dpkg for starters. "badgers" just doesn't cut it :) |
| 01:28.19 | Nexus | dpkg is dead at the moment? |
| 01:28.20 | deadcat | gravity: oh ya. if you do go to LWCE this year. let me know if they have new debian tshirts (= |
| 01:28.24 | gravity | feh |
| 01:28.30 | gravity | deadcat: I won't know until I get there if I go |
| 01:28.32 | dvm1981 | worthy: dpkg -L <package_name> |
| 01:28.34 | King_Andy | DVM, it got up to 'sudo' and it says command not found |
| 01:28.43 | worthy | ok |
| 01:28.47 | wols_ | worthy: you need kernel-headers and also install build-essential |
| 01:28.51 | King_Andy | -bash: sudo: command not found |
| 01:28.52 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: su |
| 01:28.54 | fhffhqvb | badgers is exactly the same as dpkg, dillweed. |
| 01:28.54 | badgers | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, fhffhqvb |
| 01:29.13 | jetscreamer | King_Andy: apt-get install sudo, but you'l have to edit the sudoers file and add yourself to the sudo group and log out and back in so su for now |
| 01:29.13 | deadcat | gravity: cool. my debian tshirt from 2004 is hella small now.. its suppose to be Medium. )= |
| 01:29.21 | gravity | heh |
| 01:29.25 | King_Andy | ok |
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| 01:29.42 | wols_ | fhffhqvb: no it is not. it has a different nick. and please don't call me dillweed |
| 01:29.48 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: 'sudo' need to be installed 'apt-get update && apt-get install sudo' |
| 01:29.51 | fhffhqvb | !do wols_ |
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| 01:29.58 | jetscreamer | but badgers isn't as cool or long-lived of a name as dpkg |
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| 01:30.02 | nvz | Pedro420: I dont have time. only time I see kovac is when i am at work.. he comes and picks me up.. only person around from 8am-12pm when I have time is steve cause he has no job :P |
| 01:30.02 | Azar | wols_: use /ignore |
| 01:30.06 | jetscreamer | !badgersmite somebody |
| 01:30.15 | deadcat | gravity: check this. split gradient for clearlooks theme: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/thunar.png |
| 01:30.23 | beered | how can i 'du -f' / without getting a count for each single subdirectory? |
| 01:30.23 | emerge | !dpkg |
| 01:30.24 | badgers | hmm... dpkg is mad |
| 01:30.33 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Try 'sudo' not now, a bit complicate at you're stage for this moment |
| 01:30.45 | King_Andy | done with the update/install |
| 01:30.54 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: How? |
| 01:30.56 | nvz | Pedro420: all I want to do now is sleep.. only reason I am up now is cause after 36 hours of sleeping I got hungry :P |
| 01:31.07 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Understadn |
| 01:31.08 | christor | Hello I m searhcing a king of the regex to do a regex to have an IP? mine is "[0-9]*\.[0-9]*\.[0-9]*\.[0-9]*\" I search better? |
| 01:31.15 | fhffhqvb | nvz: munchies? |
| 01:31.16 | jetscreamer | understood |
| 01:31.16 | abrotman | Azar: ? |
| 01:31.18 | King_Andy | you do understand? |
| 01:31.23 | nvz | fhffhqvb: yep |
| 01:31.25 | jetscreamer | aka i understand |
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| 01:31.31 | Azar | abrotman, not me.. look at nvz he slept too much |
| 01:31.32 | jetscreamer | aka ok dude lets rock |
| 01:31.42 | gravity | deadcat: Cool |
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| 01:31.51 | vvillyvvo | what is a good website for someone who just got debian+linux and dont know crab about how to use it |
| 01:31.53 | avar | how do I start/stop a daemon such as bitlbee that doesn't have an init script but runs from initd |
| 01:31.54 | nvz | abrotman: he was asking about debian newbies, like you |
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| 01:31.59 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 01:32.03 | nvz | heh |
| 01:32.04 | jetscreamer | vvillyvvo: tldp.org and debian.org |
| 01:32.04 | deadcat | gravity: if you want the .deb i have it built. |
| 01:32.06 | abrotman | !tell vvillyvvo about grounding |
| 01:32.09 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: You have already installed sudo |
| 01:32.14 | Azar | vvillyvvo: you are my man http://www.aboutdebian.com/packages.htm |
| 01:32.30 | gravity | deadcat: Thanks but I'm ok. I'm kinda busy working on other stuff right now. I don't really play with themes or things like that these days |
| 01:32.33 | jetscreamer | but still use su for now, sudo doesn't work for you out of the box |
| 01:32.38 | avar | # dpkg -L bitlbee|grep '/etc'|tr '\n' ',' |
| 01:32.41 | deadcat | (= |
| 01:32.43 | avar | /etc,/etc/bitlbee,/etc/bitlbee/motd.txt,/etc/bitlbee/bitlbee.conf |
| 01:33.03 | deadcat | gravity: i kinna need the themes when the WM i use is so crappy (= |
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| 01:33.19 | gravity | deadcat: What wm? |
| 01:33.20 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Read what jetscreamer told you? |
| 01:33.22 | jetscreamer | !info icewm-themes |
| 01:33.26 | deadcat | gravity: openbox |
| 01:33.28 | gravity | ah |
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| 01:33.39 | gravity | If it's crappy why use it? |
| 01:33.39 | Azar | vvillyvvo: and this one: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/index.html#contents |
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| 01:33.40 | King_Andy | yes sir |
| 01:33.40 | dvm1981 | s/?/. |
| 01:33.43 | abrotman | !tell Azar about grounding |
| 01:33.48 | badgers | icewm-themes: (Theme files for the Ice Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.2.20.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2999 kB, Installed size: 16348 kB |
| 01:33.57 | deadcat | gravity: i like the layout compared to other WM.. simpler. |
| 01:34.07 | gravity | deadcat: Then what sucks about it? |
| 01:34.15 | deadcat | gravity: alt+tab (= |
| 01:34.19 | Dwonis | "<deadcat> gravity: if you want the .deb i have it built." Trojan, perhaps? ;) |
| 01:34.24 | Azar | abrotman? I have a full directory with manuals/tutorials for Debian? |
| 01:34.39 | gravity | Dwonis: I know how to look at weird debs before installing them :-) |
| 01:34.40 | Pedro420 | nvz: its cool |
| 01:34.45 | deadcat | Dwonis: i dont have time for lame shits like that |
| 01:34.53 | nvz | sawfish is still the greatest wm, even if its not been updated to meed open standards |
| 01:35.17 | Azar | badgers where is dpkg |
| 01:35.18 | badgers | I think you lost me on that one, Azar |
| 01:35.25 | Dwonis | deadcat: it was a joke. Hence, the ";)" |
| 01:35.30 | deadcat | i know (= |
| 01:35.30 | abrotman | Azar: broken |
| 01:35.49 | Azar | abrotman, understandeably after so much abus |
| 01:35.50 | Azar | e |
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| 01:36.20 | deadcat | Dwonis: but if you want to try: http://debian.sshonly.sytes.net/i386/gtk2-engines-clearlooks_2.7.3-1_i386.deb |
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| 01:36.27 | abrotman | Azar: no .. he just does it sometimes |
| 01:36.49 | nvz | abrotman: its all your fault got those greasy cheesteak fingers all over dpkg and it short circuited |
| 01:37.40 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: And? |
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| 01:37.43 | Stevie | rofl |
| 01:37.56 | CaT[tm] | I'd like like to say that the openssl licencing issues shit me. thank you. |
| 01:37.58 | beered | how can i 'du -f /' without getting a count for each single subdirectory? |
| 01:38.06 | deadcat | -sh |
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| 01:38.52 | abrotman | nvz: maybe if he didn't eat so much |
| 01:38.55 | beered | deadcat: I just need to view size of main directories (home, root etc). |
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| 01:39.20 | deadcat | beered: du -sh /home |
| 01:39.23 | King_Andy | okay i got a bit lost after update and install |
| 01:39.28 | Azar | beered use mc (midnightcommander) or ytree |
| 01:39.42 | King_Andy | i did the update && install part, now what |
| 01:39.46 | nvz | ytree is nasty |
| 01:39.53 | Azar | nvz why? |
| 01:39.59 | beered | deadcat: I have to du each single directory in root (/) to get that info? |
| 01:40.02 | nvz | the interface is abrasive, and its not even close to being xtree gold |
| 01:40.12 | deadcat | beered: du -sh /* |
| 01:40.17 | deadcat | beered: or man du |
| 01:40.20 | Azar | nvz indeed it is limited but does some work |
| 01:40.22 | dvm1981 | beered: Try it! |
| 01:40.28 | deadcat | ya try it |
| 01:40.29 | theycallmebruce | hey all.. does anybody know when the net installers for etch will be working again? |
| 01:40.35 | beered | deadcat: ah, that works. |
| 01:40.41 | dvm1981 | beered: And listen what deadcat repeat you 3 times |
| 01:40.44 | worthy | i can't compile a kernel :-( vmware wants me to point it to the C header files. I installed kernel-sources 2.4.27 with apt-get and i don't know where my C header files live. point me plaese? |
| 01:40.45 | beered | dvm1981: what are you talking about? LOL |
| 01:41.10 | devicenull | so, how can I get the subversion client binary? |
| 01:41.27 | p8m | lol |
| 01:41.36 | devicenull | ah |
| 01:41.39 | devicenull | its subversion, not svn |
| 01:41.40 | devicenull | nm |
| 01:41.43 | Azar | worthy: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/#contents |
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| 01:41.55 | nvz | worthy: could you even imagine the fact that the kernel headers would be in a package called kernel-headers-2.4.27 ? |
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| 01:42.06 | babo | I'm having a problem with X .... I recently installed the new drivers for the nvidia geforce6 on my amd64 breezy badger. Now when I boot up it tells me that there is a config error and the the server caught a signal 11, it drops me back down to command line mode with Fatal Error 104 (connection reset by peer) ... can anyone help here ? |
| 01:42.06 | King_Andy | DVM: okay i got a bit lost after update and install |
| 01:42.16 | King_Andy | i did the update && install part, now what |
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| 01:42.36 | worthy | right but, im new to debian and it wants the C header files. |
| 01:42.37 | wols_ | babo: #ubuntu |
| 01:42.43 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: But that what to install sudo... Not? |
| 01:42.46 | Dwonis | nvz: aren't they called linux-headers now? |
| 01:42.47 | worthy | it might not even be about a kernel |
| 01:42.54 | worthy | it wants C header files |
| 01:42.55 | wols_ | worthy: I told you at least 3 time what you need. you always ignored me |
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| 01:43.03 | wols_ | worthy: libc6-dev |
| 01:43.05 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: No problem, leave it there, setup it later; |
| 01:43.07 | deadcat | wols_: i dont mind ubuntu asking questions here. but they ask LONG ass questions which piss me off (= |
| 01:43.07 | wols_ | fourth time |
| 01:43.08 | worthy | ok |
| 01:43.12 | King_Andy | okay |
| 01:43.14 | nvz | Dwonis: maybe.. but not in stable |
| 01:43.15 | Azar | worthy: research the link I gave you it takes you by the hand |
| 01:43.38 | wols_ | deadcat: I do mind since we usually don't know our way around ubuntu and we can't answer their questions. frustrating them and us |
| 01:43.39 | worthy | im installing it now wols thanks |
| 01:43.43 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: The simples one, copy you're config file '/etc/X11/XF86Config-4' to pastebin or so |
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| 01:44.00 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: 'xclip /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' |
| 01:44.00 | Dewi | is there some way to simulate xargs' --delimeter in sarge? |
| 01:44.17 | worthy | can you just take me by the hand Azar? blink blink |
| 01:44.29 | Azar | hmmmmm no? |
| 01:44.39 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: That copy the content of that file in the buffer, paste it ont http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 01:44.40 | \amethyst | Dewi: -0 and use sed or something to turn \0 into the delimiter |
| 01:44.55 | King_Andy | DVM: cant open display: (null) |
| 01:45.29 | Azar | take in consideration the handbook is free software... you do not have to pay a penny for it |
| 01:45.37 | \amethyst | Dewi: rather, to turn the delimiter into \0 |
| 01:45.39 | ke6isf | !test |
| 01:45.39 | badgers | Sorry, ke6isf, I didn't get your test. |
| 01:45.51 | Azar | hi mr k36sif |
| 01:45.51 | Dwonis | Dewi: example: "find / | perl -p -e 's/\n/\0/g' | xargs -" |
| 01:45.55 | ke6isf | Heya Azar |
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| 01:46.16 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Aai, x server is currently not running. There are other manners, to copy it, know you an easy method for you, so that you can paste it online? |
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| 01:46.17 | \amethyst | Dwonis: well, find has print0, so you can do find / -print0 | xargs -0 |
| 01:46.19 | Dwonis | Dewi: that should be example: "find / | perl -p -e 's/\n/\0/g' | xargs -0" |
| 01:46.26 | worthy | i got it and i guessed at it :-) /usr/include/linux |
| 01:46.27 | wols_ | Azar: free software licenses rarely make good book licenses imho |
| 01:46.40 | Dwonis | \amethyst: yes, but other program's don't, and you can use grep -v and stuff (or does grep have -0 now too?) |
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| 01:46.42 | King_Andy | i have no clue, lol |
| 01:46.58 | \amethyst | probably not with grep |
| 01:47.08 | delmar | Hey everyone. So I was looking at compiling a new kernel (2.6.15-4) on an ubuntu box, but I notice there are "ubuntu kernel patches"... so my question is simple.. is a stock 2.6.15-4 kernel going to work ok, or are there some ubuntu patches that need to be applied to the kernel to .. satisfy some compatability issues of any sort? Any comments/feedback appreciated. |
| 01:47.18 | ke6isf | delmar: Ask in #ubuntu. |
| 01:47.19 | niklaus | in freebsd i can set an option in rc.conf whether users can see which process other users are running. How to do that in sarge |
| 01:47.24 | p8m | delmar: lol |
| 01:47.32 | niklaus | like w or top displays other users processes also |
| 01:47.54 | delmar | p8m, ? |
| 01:47.55 | Dwonis | \amethyst: heh: there are -Z, --null and -z, --null-data (presumably for output and input, respectively) |
| 01:48.01 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: You can go on that box? Copy it, (kde user?) by using konqueror (as file manager) and paste it from there online? |
| 01:48.13 | King_Andy | ill try |
| 01:48.14 | p8m | delmar: you are lost, this is #debian |
| 01:48.19 | \amethyst | neat-o |
| 01:48.27 | wols_ | deadcat: look at the channel name, then just ignore us and leave for #ubuntu please |
| 01:48.38 | abrotman | delmar: read the /topic .. go to #ubuntu |
| 01:48.39 | delmar | p8m, as if ubuntu is so far removed from being debian. |
| 01:48.52 | ke6isf | delmar: And we don't support it. |
| 01:48.56 | abrotman | delmar: we do not support ubuntu .. please go to #ubuntu |
| 01:49.20 | Azar | wols_: to sum it up: I know lots of people who spend big money to buy propietary software books, just to brag about and keep them on display on their bookshelves... that does not make them any smarter right? |
| 01:49.25 | deadcat | wols_: ? i just got here. whats going on? |
| 01:49.29 | delmar | well cheers. |
| 01:49.31 | delmar | :P |
| 01:49.32 | Dwonis | !ubuntusmite delmar |
| 01:49.35 | ke6isf | deadcat: mistyped nick, I suspect. |
| 01:49.40 | deadcat | o |
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| 01:49.54 | Azar | .. plus there are idiots writing babbles about a topic just for a quick buck and fame |
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| 01:50.45 | Azar | do not touch deadcat.. please |
| 01:50.48 | worthy | that wasn't it |
| 01:50.50 | worthy | :-( |
| 01:50.54 | worthy | wheres that link |
| 01:50.57 | deadcat | true (= |
| 01:51.03 | niklaus | in freebsd i can set an option in rc.conf whether users can see which process other users are running. How to do that in sarge |
| 01:51.27 | worthy | wow its a book |
| 01:51.36 | worthy | man i really don't have time for this |
| 01:51.43 | worthy | there is a cute boy waiting for me |
| 01:51.56 | worthy | i need to find these damn C header files whatever they are |
| 01:52.01 | Azar | mmyeah, file your nails |
| 01:52.01 | King_Andy | okay DVM, i at at pastebin, and i have a shell up and running. What command do you want me to put in and copy the results for? |
| 01:52.56 | dvm1981 | niklaus: whowatch ? |
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| 01:53.02 | dvm1981 | niklaus: xwatch ? |
| 01:53.06 | niklaus | dvm1981, whats that |
| 01:53.13 | abrotman | dvm1981: he means system wide |
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| 01:53.39 | niklaus | dvm1981, abrotman : yes i mean that |
| 01:53.40 | dvm1981 | abrotman: I whas thinking of that nice stuff :-/ |
| 01:54.02 | worthy | abrotman help me its me e-doll |
| 01:54.13 | worthy | where do my C header files live? |
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| 01:54.16 | abrotman | niklaus: it's probably like .. a security patch to the kernel . though i couldn't say hwat |
| 01:54.20 | abrotman | !b-e worthy |
| 01:54.21 | badgers | worthy: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 01:54.25 | King_Andy | okay DVM, i am at pastebin, and i have a shell up and running. What command do you want me to put in and copy the results for? |
| 01:54.26 | stew | worthy: /usr/include |
| 01:54.40 | worthy | ok let me look there |
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| 01:54.53 | stew | ok |
| 01:55.09 | niklaus | abrotman, so its the kernel not the application utilities ... ok maybe grsecurity will do |
| 01:55.14 | worthy | no that's not it stew |
| 01:55.15 | beered | how do i ask dpkg about ipw2000? |
| 01:55.30 | beered | how do i ask dpkg about ipw2200 that is? |
| 01:55.43 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: 'xclip /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' |
| 01:55.46 | worthy | what is !b-e |
| 01:55.59 | abrotman | niklaus: perhaps query in ##linux |
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| 01:56.04 | abrotman | worthy: it's a package .. install it |
| 01:56.10 | dvm1981 | worthy: To ask a bot |
| 01:56.16 | worthy | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 01:56.16 | worthy | kernel? |
| 01:56.17 | abrotman | !tell beered about ipw2200 |
| 01:56.35 | abrotman | worthy: you want linux-kernel headers or C headers? |
| 01:56.36 | beered | ah... there it is. |
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| 01:56.43 | Dwonis | beered: Ask badgers. dpkg is busy (Reading database... |
| 01:56.46 | stew | worthy: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:56.51 | worthy | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 01:56.51 | worthy | kernel? |
| 01:56.58 | King_Andy | well i get /ect/X11/F86Config-4: no sucj file or directory |
| 01:57.03 | stew | worthy: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 01:57.03 | worthy | C headers that match my kernel |
| 01:57.27 | worthy | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 01:57.32 | stew | worthy: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 01:57.41 | worthy | i did that :-( |
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| 01:57.47 | worthy | it didn't find it |
| 01:57.51 | worthy | still cant find it |
| 01:57.56 | worthy | this is a first with me and vmware |
| 01:58.01 | stew | worthy: run apt-setup |
| 01:58.04 | worthy | ok |
| 01:58.20 | deadcat | make sure you use the same gcc version |
| 01:58.20 | abrotman | worthy: paste your sources in #flood |
| 01:58.42 | christor | please how check a if an object is a list?? if type(object) = list? |
| 01:58.50 | abrotman | in what language? |
| 01:59.08 | christor | python |
| 01:59.14 | resiak | #python |
| 01:59.15 | resiak | hth |
| 01:59.26 | Dwonis | christor: You proabably don't want to do that |
| 01:59.28 | christor | I though I was in the python channel lol |
| 01:59.40 | King_Andy | DVM: i get /ect/X11/F86Config-4: no such file or directory |
| 02:00.03 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: typ errno |
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| 02:00.09 | Dwonis | King_Andy: You missed a letter |
| 02:00.16 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: typo errno |
| 02:00.28 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: /etc/... |
| 02:00.37 | abrotman | christor: guess what .. you weren't :) |
| 02:00.38 | King_Andy | oops |
| 02:00.49 | worthy | kernel-source-2.4.27 is already the newest version. |
| 02:00.54 | worthy | i have it |
| 02:01.06 | worthy | vmware can't find it |
| 02:01.21 | nvz | vmware doesnt want it |
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| 02:01.49 | unstable | !test |
| 02:01.49 | badgers | Yes, unstable, you're still online. |
| 02:01.49 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Don't worry, you're learn the system :-) |
| 02:02.03 | Dwonis | IIRC, vmware looks in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build |
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| 02:02.21 | dvm1981 | test fail ... |
| 02:02.44 | Wedge^ | worthy: I had a similar problem with vmware on fedora lately, couldn't find the header files even if I had them, the solution was to use a patch called vmware-any-any-update97, installed fine after that was applied |
| 02:02.49 | dvm1981 | unstable: dpkg takes 2 weeks of holiday :-/ |
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| 02:02.57 | nvz | IIRC it looks where you tell it to look and no matter where that may be a source tarball isnt going to satisfy need for header files |
| 02:03.11 | Dwonis | worthy: It would have been much easier had you mentioned vmware in the first place |
| 02:03.20 | worthy | wedge i can't send you msg |
| 02:03.24 | worthy | says im not registered |
| 02:03.47 | worthy | where do i get taht wedge? |
| 02:03.58 | abrotman | ask #vmware |
| 02:03.58 | Wedge^ | join #vmwarefix |
| 02:04.05 | King_Andy | DVM: xclip didnt work...but i did "less /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 02:04.06 | worthy | ok |
| 02:04.47 | King_Andy | and that pulled up some stuff....but idk if thas what you wanted |
| 02:04.49 | King_Andy | >.< |
| 02:04.59 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: But more ala kungkfu ala Dutch |
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| 02:05.29 | King_Andy | ? |
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| 02:05.55 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: No matters :-) |
| 02:06.11 | King_Andy | so if xclip wont work...what do i do? |
| 02:06.22 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: With less, you must copy and paste it in several times, not so usefull as xclip |
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| 02:06.50 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: I would try it with vim |
| 02:06.59 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: But you need to liste, |
| 02:07.08 | King_Andy | vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 02:07.09 | King_Andy | ? |
| 02:07.30 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: First install vim, really a good one, a bit dificult for beginners, but powefull!! |
| 02:07.51 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Have you a bit time? |
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| 02:08.23 | King_Andy | vim is at the newest version |
| 02:08.29 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Ok |
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| 02:08.35 | King_Andy | vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 02:08.36 | King_Andy | ? |
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| 02:10.04 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Press the 'v' key to go in visual mode and select to whole text with the directions piles, and then 'y' then you type ':q!' |
| 02:10.24 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: No, i forget 'nano' easier |
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| 02:11.25 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Or follow with vim, depending, if it luck :-/ |
| 02:11.52 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Once you're out vim, paste it some else by pressing the middle mouse button |
| 02:11.57 | mxn | Hi. I'm trying to get a Canon EOS 20D working under Linux. Anyone got experience iwth this, fancy offering a hand? :-) |
| 02:12.28 | King_Andy | okay |
| 02:12.30 | mxn | Oh, I got it working. Apologies. |
| 02:12.36 | King_Andy | should i post it on pastebin? |
| 02:12.38 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Done? |
| 02:12.51 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: yep |
| 02:12.54 | King_Andy | okay |
| 02:12.56 | unstable | hm...how would i compile a gtk+ with gcc for libgtk+2.0-directfb? |
| 02:13.04 | unstable | gcc -Wall -g inter.c -o inter `pkg-config --libgtk+2.0-directfb` |
| 02:13.08 | unstable | ? |
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| 02:13.31 | King_Andy | http://pastebin.ca/43298 |
| 02:13.35 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: I hope that i have not (k)confuse you, not really easy to try the basic things. |
| 02:13.42 | King_Andy | oops |
| 02:13.44 | King_Andy | wrong link |
| 02:13.56 | King_Andy | http://pastebin.ca/43296 |
| 02:14.20 | King_Andy | ^^ thats the one |
| 02:14.36 | PowerPC | I have a problem with X when i boot. It will show a quarter of the screen 3 times across 800x600 resolution. I tried reinstalling debian and X but no avail. help? |
| 02:14.53 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: I see it, |
| 02:15.00 | King_Andy | ok |
| 02:15.20 | nvz | PowerPC: sounds to me like your monitor settings are wrong and thus the server calculated a modeline that your monitor does not support |
| 02:15.20 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Try to understand 'Modes "800x600" "640x480"' |
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| 02:15.45 | King_Andy | i see them |
| 02:15.51 | nvz | PowerPC: I would locate your monitor specs and reconfigure the server supplying the hsync and vrefresh values |
| 02:15.56 | PowerPC | nvz: i set it to 800x600 60Hz and that setup works in windows as well |
| 02:16.01 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: You need 'Modes "1024x678" "800x600" "640x480"' |
| 02:16.02 | beered | May I contribute a correction to dpkg? I think an important line is missing in ipw2200 how-to. |
| 02:16.11 | King_Andy | how do i change it? |
| 02:16.12 | beered | May I contribute a correction to dpkg? I think there is an important line is missing in ipw2200 how-to. |
| 02:16.12 | nvz | PowerPC: what has that got to do with anything?] |
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| 02:16.25 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Read the fille at the bottom. |
| 02:16.36 | PowerPC | nvz: im using the settings that were in my last OS |
| 02:16.46 | nvz | PowerPC: you're full of shit |
| 02:16.47 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Where there all the # line and another # one |
| 02:16.54 | PowerPC | nvz: how so? |
| 02:16.56 | King_Andy | ok |
| 02:16.57 | limpio | King_Andy, # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:16.57 | nvz | PowerPC: and furthermore understand nothing about how video modes are calculated |
| 02:16.59 | abrotman | beered: such as ? |
| 02:17.09 | nvz | PowerPC: your last OS probably knew specifically what monitor you had |
| 02:17.24 | nvz | PowerPC: this one you have not given this information yet apperently |
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| 02:17.42 | PowerPC | nvz: im using the same resolution/hsync and refresh |
| 02:17.42 | dvm1981 | limpio: I already say it an hour, agon, and an 1 1/2 |
| 02:17.57 | PowerPC | nvz: also, it did the same thing on 3 different monitors |
| 02:18.00 | jefferson | can someone give me some sound help, i have onboard sound that is soundmax digital audio |
| 02:18.06 | unstable | I got bored, and I compressed the linux kernel with different algorithms/programs...here are the results. http://pastebin.com/574256 |
| 02:18.08 | nvz | PowerPC: then you are using the wrong driver |
| 02:18.11 | limpio | dvm1981, never saw it |
| 02:18.19 | beered | abrotman: there are two dependancies that have to be resolved before runing m-a. |
| 02:18.22 | jefferson | mpg123 will play songs with poor quality, but xmms wont work, unless i log on as root |
| 02:18.26 | PowerPC | nvz: S3 Virge GX |
| 02:18.33 | unstable | rar > 7zip > bzip2 > gzip |
| 02:18.38 | nvz | PowerPC: which driver are you using? |
| 02:18.53 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: So when you have do the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 you need to be carrefull you need to specify an choose 2 x 1024.768, do it again |
| 02:18.59 | dvm1981 | limpio: Need my log files ? |
| 02:19.02 | PowerPC | nvz: The S3 Virge GX stock driver |
| 02:19.13 | beered | abrotman: I would add that to the how-to. Someting like: "m-a -f get ipw2200-srouce ieee80211-srouce &&" before everything else in that how-to. |
| 02:19.36 | nvz | PowerPC: I am done talking to you. there is not a "S3 Virge GX stock driver" in debian |
| 02:19.48 | limpio | dvm1981, what for? i got no problems, i was trying to help King_Andy :D |
| 02:19.49 | abrotman | beered: if it's a dependency . the package should pull it .. which version of debian ? |
| 02:19.49 | PowerPC | GX/DX |
| 02:19.58 | abrotman | !depends ipw2200-source sarge |
| 02:20.01 | beered | abrotman: testing |
| 02:20.08 | abrotman | !depends ipw2200-source etch |
| 02:20.08 | dvm1981 | limpio: dvm1981, never saw it |
| 02:20.25 | abrotman | beered: if you believe it should be a depends .. file a bug on the package |
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| 02:20.33 | badgers | ipw2200-source: depends on module-assistant, debhelper (>> 4.0) |
| 02:20.33 | worthy | do C header files have .c at the end? |
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| 02:20.49 | limpio | dvm1981, never mind, we just crossed messages |
| 02:20.49 | dvm1981 | limpio: No matters :-/ |
| 02:20.51 | badgers | ipw2200-source: depends on module-assistant, debhelper (>> 4.0), ieee80211-source (>= 1.1.5) |
| 02:20.53 | gravity | worthy: No, C source files have a .c at the end. Header files have .h. |
| 02:21.05 | abrotman | beered: what dependencies have to be installed? |
| 02:21.12 | worthy | ok |
| 02:21.15 | dvm1981 | limpio: I think, we not make an war an we drink an good beer on it :-0 |
| 02:21.16 | itguy | i have a wireless usb mouse how can i get it to work in debian |
| 02:21.24 | King_Andy | DVM: so when i get to the screen, do i do Simple, Medium, or Advanced? |
| 02:21.36 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Medium |
| 02:21.43 | limpio | dvm1981, yup Labbats Blue |
| 02:21.51 | tyranix | unstable: What about the other tradeoffs such as time vs. compressed size? Some people use gzip over bzip2 because it is faster. |
| 02:22.10 | unstable | tyranix: I didn't care enough to time my results. |
| 02:22.12 | King_Andy | 1024x768 @ 75Hz |
| 02:22.14 | dvm1981 | limpio: Like you beer from Belgium? :-/ |
| 02:22.21 | unstable | tyranix: I didn't take my system more then 3 minutes for each one though. |
| 02:22.35 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: If you're card and monitor support it yes |
| 02:22.43 | unix_infidel | unstable: depends on the size. |
| 02:22.43 | unstable | tyranix: And it compressed 215 megs |
| 02:22.46 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Or 85 |
| 02:22.53 | unstable | unix_infidel: I understand this. |
| 02:22.57 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: But try with the 75 if you not sure ... |
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| 02:23.05 | limpio | dvm1981, never tried european beer only canadian and latin american ones |
| 02:23.07 | King_Andy | i did 75 |
| 02:23.29 | unix_infidel | limpio: tried negra model before? |
| 02:23.29 | King_Andy | i still dont have the option on KDE to change it to 1024x768 |
| 02:23.33 | unix_infidel | modelo* |
| 02:23.39 | unstable | The proprietary rar is the best for compression in my test, I didn't check time. |
| 02:23.42 | dvm1981 | limpio: So When you come to Europa, you can try it :-) |
| 02:23.53 | limpio | unix_infidel, yup, |
| 02:24.05 | limpio | dvm1981, sure will |
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| 02:24.28 | beered | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.00 | beered | abrotman: I msged you the text. |
| 02:25.01 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Momment, i think you need to explain what you see, i think you jump over an config page, where you can specify to use 1024, normally you must select it 2x, in differents styles of questions. |
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| 02:25.30 | King_Andy | i told it two times to chose 1024x768 |
| 02:25.47 | itguy | how can i run xfree86 in debian |
| 02:25.48 | unix_infidel | sadly enough i hear a lot of brits drink stella. |
| 02:25.50 | dvm1981 | limpio: The day i'm come on you're continent, you also give me a tour he ;-) |
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| 02:26.39 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: The next one you need to select it with 'spacebar' and not just enter. I hope it's that! |
| 02:26.43 | limpio | dvm1981, we have a lot of different kinds of beer, you'll be in heaven |
| 02:26.45 | unix_infidel | and even more sad, they drink fosters. |
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| 02:26.56 | abrotman | beered: erm .. crap .. it's not really dpkg .. i'll have to remember later .. |
| 02:27.13 | gpm | hi guys. i'm trying to set up cups so that a mac os x on my network can print using a printer connected to my box through usb. |
| 02:27.19 | gpm | what's the easiest way to do that? |
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| 02:27.32 | dvm1981 | limpio: Outside the virtual, i never drink beer :-/ but champagne American (cola) is verry great :-) |
| 02:28.10 | unix_infidel | moet and chandon makes very nice stuff. |
| 02:28.12 | King_Andy | still not there to choose |
| 02:28.17 | limpio | dvm1981, champagne + orange juice = mimosa |
| 02:28.46 | dvm1981 | limpio: lol, i need to try it :-) |
| 02:28.53 | abrotman | unix_infidel: spend a lot of time at Hooters eh ? |
| 02:29.00 | gpm | !beer me |
| 02:29.05 | limpio | dvm1981, good on sundays at brunch |
| 02:29.08 | limpio | brb |
| 02:29.24 | unix_infidel | abrotman: LOL @ hooters. |
| 02:29.29 | unix_infidel | hooters is all american beer. |
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| 02:30.03 | unix_infidel | dpkg: net install? |
| 02:30.05 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: If you're good look again, in you're /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, and see that's there are nothing change? |
| 02:30.14 | abrotman | unix_infidel: hooters is not beer |
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| 02:30.28 | King_Andy | nothin changed |
| 02:30.30 | King_Andy | :\ |
| 02:30.31 | unix_infidel | abrotman: i know....hooters serves mainly american beer though. |
| 02:30.41 | abrotman | unix_infidel: have you ever actually read the menu ? |
| 02:31.04 | unix_infidel | abrotman: nope, i get wings and beer on the house. |
| 02:31.19 | abrotman | unix_infidel: at the top of the wings section is the the thing about dom and wings |
| 02:31.38 | unix_infidel | abrotman: if i'm drinking dom its NOT going to be at hooters mate. |
| 02:31.45 | kspath | I am too busy looking at the ladies there to notice the menu details. |
| 02:31.46 | unix_infidel | LOL |
| 02:32.06 | abrotman | unix_infidel: duh |
| 02:32.38 | beered | abrotman: I guess its an omission in the database. m-a doesn't print the error message unless its piped to a test file ('> error.txt'). |
| 02:32.41 | abrotman | kspath: we take our interns to hooters on thier last day .. and we've had some REALLY bad luck with waitresses there .. the worst was the woman who was about 7-8 months preggo |
| 02:32.47 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Yes, im think you select the option in dpgk badly, and the second time when you need to select the 1024x768 resolution you need to select it with space bar and not just enter. So that 1024x768 and 800x600 and 640 480 are selected. |
| 02:32.55 | itguy | guys please help me with my usb cordless mouse |
| 02:33.02 | abrotman | usb would imply wired |
| 02:33.35 | kspath | I do not know. Some women look better when pregnant. Depends on the women mostly. |
| 02:33.48 | abrotman | kspath: no tthis one |
| 02:33.51 | basbryan | can i //join #hooters? |
| 02:33.56 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Im sure, but im can not explain it good :-/ |
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| 02:34.47 | King_Andy | i used space to select the last three on that list, 1024 800 and 640 |
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| 02:35.04 | King_Andy | and i still cant change it from KDE |
| 02:35.13 | King_Andy | 800x600 |
| 02:35.16 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Or if not, it's not recomended, but change the file by the hand. Just to see and test that 1024x768 resolution. Also read been the top of that file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 02:35.34 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: hhmm, wait |
| 02:35.36 | jbrimble | quick question - I'm doing netinst debian at the moment, will it install the latest mysql package? |
| 02:35.53 | abrotman | not by default .. and what is the "latest"? |
| 02:35.59 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: You have not restart you're X after trying it dpkg-reconfi....? |
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| 02:37.16 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Have you restart it by doing '/etc/init.d/gdm restart' ? |
| 02:37.18 | endeavormac | alright, i'm having some trouble with apt. when i installed debian to this machine i used the net install, not realizing i wasn't going to have internet access. apt was not configured for internet access. I edited /etc/apt/sources.list and added the files apt-get asked for in /var/* something |
| 02:37.31 | endeavormac | when i try to apt-get install something it tells me the package can not be found |
| 02:37.32 | King_Andy | workin on it DVM |
| 02:37.37 | endeavormac | but that's about it |
| 02:37.44 | endeavormac | no other error messages or what not |
| 02:37.52 | itguy | How can i confiuger my usb cordless mouse |
| 02:38.11 | itguy | !info usb |
| 02:38.16 | jetscreamer | endeavormac: apt-get update maybe |
| 02:38.21 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 02:38.25 | endeavormac | ok |
| 02:38.27 | jetscreamer | or see non-free contrib |
| 02:38.37 | itguy | jetscreamer: can u help me |
| 02:39.15 | endeavormac | time to reboot |
| 02:39.20 | jetscreamer | i know a usb mouse is /dev/input/mice when you do the xserverconfig, but no idea about the cordless part |
| 02:39.41 | cheal | !tell itguy about msg the bot |
| 02:40.15 | jetscreamer | and you would probably want the imps2 or explorer one |
| 02:40.29 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer: Is that not the same case? |
| 02:40.52 | jetscreamer | no 2 different areas, 2 different possible answers |
| 02:40.52 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer: If it's also on usb |
| 02:40.55 | itguy | jetscreamer: how can i run the xserver config |
| 02:41.02 | CaT[tm] | anyone know of an uncomplicated guide to renaming a package? I wish to modify a standard one and change its name slightly so that it can be seen as different. |
| 02:41.03 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 02:41.04 | badgers | i heard drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 02:41.12 | King_Andy | DVM: /etc/init.d/gfm: no such file or directory |
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| 02:41.35 | bust3r | yay leet fast reinstall of debian |
| 02:41.37 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: gdm |
| 02:41.39 | bust3r | :) |
| 02:41.40 | jetscreamer | itguy King_Andy less /var/log/Xorg.0.log i think |
| 02:41.45 | astronut | cheal: i think dpkg is broken |
| 02:41.49 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Bonus tip, listen |
| 02:41.51 | astronut | !u |
| 02:41.52 | badgers | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:41.53 | jetscreamer | the filename might be a tad off |
| 02:41.57 | bust3r | now im gonna buy some guns online so i can kill typo3's coders lol |
| 02:41.58 | astronut | hmmm...we have a new bot? |
| 02:42.06 | King_Andy | ok |
| 02:42.06 | unstable | hm...how would i compile a gtk+ with gcc for libgtk+2.0-directfb? |
| 02:42.07 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: type '/et[TAB]' |
| 02:42.08 | cheal | astronut: badgers is a replacement |
| 02:42.08 | abrotman | astronut: dpkg died |
| 02:42.15 | astronut | abrotman: what causes? |
| 02:42.16 | unstable | gcc -Wall -g inter.c -o inter `pkg-config --libgtk+2.0-directfb` doesn't work |
| 02:42.16 | jetscreamer | !mourn dpkg |
| 02:42.24 | jetscreamer | ~mourn dpkg |
| 02:42.25 | apt | ACTION lights some candles for dpkg |
| 02:42.25 | bust3r | \amethyst, i reinstalled pretty fast for on a 400mhz :P |
| 02:42.26 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Or in other words, use the bash completiion |
| 02:42.42 | jetscreamer | or ls the dir first |
| 02:42.46 | astronut | abrotman: fix topic? |
| 02:42.48 | astronut | err..you cant |
| 02:42.59 | astronut | !ops since dpkg is dead, can someone s/dpkg/badger/g in topic |
| 02:42.59 | badgers | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: since dpkg is dead, can someone s/dpkg/badger/g in topic |
| 02:43.08 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Understand? |
| 02:43.10 | abrotman | astronut: i can't .. and dondelelcaro will fix when he is around |
| 02:43.10 | itguy | silverfox:/home/itguy# xserverconfig |
| 02:43.10 | itguy | bash: xserverconfig: command not found |
| 02:43.16 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 02:43.17 | cheal | the situation is not yet critical...as long as we have other bots alive to mourn dpkg |
| 02:43.18 | badgers | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 02:43.37 | unstable | Where can I go for gtk+2.0 dev questions? |
| 02:43.38 | mentor | dpkg: hi |
| 02:43.48 | jetscreamer | it's same database in the bots, or was at one time |
| 02:43.57 | mentor | meh |
| 02:43.58 | deadcat | unstable: irc.gnome.org |
| 02:44.02 | cheal | astronut: dpkg isn't definitely dead. dpkg dies regularly, but he has powers like Jesus |
| 02:44.18 | limpio | King_Andy, read sections 9 and 10 of: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016 |
| 02:44.19 | King_Andy | er....i dont think so DVM |
| 02:44.22 | jetscreamer | aka don is throwin some back |
| 02:44.25 | astronut | cheal: who's jesus? |
| 02:44.25 | jetscreamer | or something |
| 02:44.47 | jetscreamer | that guy who got resurected like david copperfield |
| 02:44.48 | useruser_ | astronut: jesus is just dis guy, you know? |
| 02:44.53 | limpio | King_Andy, it will answer all your questions |
| 02:44.53 | cheal | astronut: a guy who resurrected a long time ago. but dpkg can resurrect even more than Jesus |
| 02:45.19 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 02:45.35 | jetscreamer | and you pronounce it hay-soose ... he's from baja |
| 02:45.35 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: You not need to type the whole path /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, type the first letters and press on the TAB key, if nothing press 2x |
| 02:45.40 | astronut | useruser_: what's that from, sounds familiar |
| 02:46.00 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: /et{TAB} |
| 02:46.07 | King_Andy | ah, okay, pulled up a directory |
| 02:46.10 | useruser_ | astronut: hhgtg |
| 02:46.14 | NetDC | why shell scripts under /etc/network/if-up.d/ does not active? |
| 02:46.19 | jetscreamer | then type a couple more letters |
| 02:46.20 | abrotman | can't we just wait for dpkg to get fixed instead of mucking the topic ? |
| 02:46.22 | astronut | useruser_: oh, right...i knew it was familiar |
| 02:46.22 | jetscreamer | and hit tab again |
| 02:46.23 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: X1/[TAB] |
| 02:46.28 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: X1[TAB] |
| 02:46.36 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: etc... |
| 02:46.42 | jetscreamer | it can be easier to just type the short ones |
| 02:46.51 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Try to play with it |
| 02:46.55 | jetscreamer | case matters |
| 02:47.12 | dvm1981 | s/X1/[TAB]/BAD!!! |
| 02:47.15 | cheal | abrotman: I guess, unless other ops feel really motivated today |
| 02:47.32 | King_Andy | and this is gonna help me get a resolution of 1024x768? |
| 02:47.33 | abrotman | cheal: i think that's what mentor is doing |
| 02:47.48 | cheal | abrotman: oh, I didn't see |
| 02:47.54 | *** topic/#debian by mentor -> PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg badgers 2006 key | NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu. | BORKED: packages.d.o, use pdo.debian.net instead | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg badgers bts | /msg badgers testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg badgers xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg badgers paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg badgers java |
| 02:48.09 | *** topic/#debian by mentor -> PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg badgers 2006 key | NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu. | BORKED: packages.d.o, use pdo.debian.net instead | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg badgers bts | /msg badgers testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg badgers xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg badgers paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg badgers java | dpkg temporarily not responding |
| 02:48.26 | mentor | premature command execution |
| 02:48.39 | mentor | Well, I feel safe using sussuido's bot |
| 02:48.43 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Not, but working efficientlier and rapidly ... And so you not type fault |
| 02:48.49 | mentor | Shout loud if it goes FUBAR |
| 02:48.59 | King_Andy | oooh ok |
| 02:49.17 | abrotman | you mean like call ops .. |
| 02:49.39 | mentor | No, just in the privacy of your own home |
| 02:49.41 | mentor | :P |
| 02:50.02 | abrotman | mentor: you might just hear me :) |
| 02:50.16 | cheal | mentor: hehe :) |
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| 02:50.36 | King_Andy | DVM, i gotta go get ready for school tomorrow...i guess ill comeback tomorrow after classes and try this again? |
| 02:50.45 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: You're a great student that listen been to the proffesor. I'm not the proffesor :-/ |
| 02:51.07 | King_Andy | i do have one other thing i needed to do for KDE that i need help with :\ |
| 02:51.17 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Good. No problem, comme back again here :-) |
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| 02:51.43 | beered | how can I find out what ieee supplicants my wifi card supports? |
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| 02:51.50 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: An last tip? |
| 02:52.01 | King_Andy | i have another Drive i want to access...but its formatted as FAT32 for Windows...can i get into that from KDE? |
| 02:52.29 | King_Andy | i dont have windows anymore...but i dont want to lose 17GB of music.... |
| 02:52.37 | King_Andy | and thats whats on the drive |
| 02:52.48 | mindframe | anyone know how to clear the hostkey out of putty? |
| 02:52.49 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: when you would like to type my name here on the irc dvm[TAB] so he complete the name an i see it in red |
| 02:53.01 | Gnea | !vfat |
| 02:53.02 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: No problem |
| 02:53.02 | King_Andy | dvm1981 better? |
| 02:53.02 | badgers | it has been said that vfat is a very fat 32 bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for info on getting write access for regular users, "/msg apt vfatrw", or you should not be using this filesystem unless Windows needs to read it. |
| 02:53.09 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Great :-) |
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| 02:53.22 | Gnea | King_Andy: checkit ^^ |
| 02:53.23 | King_Andy | badgers was that for me? |
| 02:53.23 | badgers | King_Andy: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 02:53.23 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Look at the file /etc/fstab |
| 02:53.40 | Azar | hi mr Gnea :) |
| 02:53.52 | Gnea | good evening |
| 02:54.00 | dvm1981 | Gnea: :-) he is a great student :-) |
| 02:54.10 | King_Andy | :) |
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| 02:54.18 | Gnea | dvm1981: lol |
| 02:54.37 | King_Andy | hey for my first time on linux i thought i tried hard to understand |
| 02:54.57 | Gnea | King_Andy: yeah, basically you can just use the vfat filesystem to mount your music with |
| 02:55.01 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: /dev/hda8 /mnt/winshare vfat noauto,user,exec,rw 0 0 |
| 02:55.14 | dvm1981 | See in #flood, really nice there |
| 02:55.16 | kizmet | is there a 'quick' way to install the madwifi modules ? |
| 02:55.24 | dvm1981 | sinplomo ... |
| 02:55.26 | delmar | Anyone have any opinions on the best filesystem to use... (farvoring reliability)... ext3? XFS? Reiser? .. I had issues with data reliability with reiser but perhaps its improved... anyone? |
| 02:55.32 | Gnea | !madwifi |
| 02:55.32 | badgers | hmm... madwifi is at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or #madwifi, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
| 02:55.47 | NetDC | why i put a shell script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ then i /etc/init.d/networking restart , but the script does not work?? |
| 02:55.53 | Azar | delmar, ext3 was allways well recommended to me |
| 02:56.06 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: It's sure for you're first time, you have do big jumps man ;-) |
| 02:56.09 | delmar | Thanks Azar. anyone else have any opinions on filesystems? |
| 02:56.19 | Dwonis | delmar: ext3 seems to be pretty reliable, and you can make it more so by using the data=journal option (though apparently you don't need to) |
| 02:56.38 | Dwonis | delmar: But make backups, please! |
| 02:56.47 | delmar | Dwonis, yeah i thought ext3 _was_ a journal FS. |
| 02:57.38 | Dwonis | delmar: Yes, but see "man mount" about that option |
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| 02:58.30 | Dwonis | delmar: Normally, only the metadata is journalled, and the ordering of the writes is controlled to maintain consistency. data=journal outright writes the *data* to the journal, before rewriting it to the disk. |
| 02:58.57 | Dwonis | delmar: I used to use data=journal, but I later found out that I probably didn't need it |
| 02:59.07 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Do not forget to change the hdd /dev/hda8 to you're needs |
| 02:59.39 | Azar | delmar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 02:59.40 | King_Andy | badgers and dvm1981...im so loooost now. |
| 02:59.40 | badgers | King_Andy: no idea |
| 02:59.44 | Dwonis | delmar: but really, use RAID & a UPS, and make regular backups if you need lots of reliability |
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| 03:00.06 | King_Andy | well ill have to come back tomorrow and try it |
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| 03:00.20 | King_Andy | thanks for the loads of help you gave me dvm1981 |
| 03:00.27 | kingsley | Has anyone here succeeded in getting the "sphinx" speech recognition package to work? |
| 03:00.33 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Going to sleep, you need it ;-) Comme back again here and we continue :-) |
| 03:00.53 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: You're welcome :-) |
| 03:00.56 | King_Andy | yes sir....i may be back tomorrow 4:00ish EST |
| 03:01.07 | King_Andy | 4:00pm EST* |
| 03:01.23 | lakcaj | how can I tell dpkg to ignore dependancy issues? |
| 03:01.29 | lakcaj | when installing something with dpkg -i |
| 03:01.56 | gpm | hi guys. i'm trying to let boxes connected to my router connect to my cups and add printers from it...here is my cupsd.conf: http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste...right now, clients can't even browse to my.ip:631. any clues at all? |
| 03:02.08 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: ok, we see of im here, i not know now :-/ |
| 03:02.31 | gpm | i'm a retard |
| 03:02.33 | gpm | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1941 |
| 03:02.37 | gpm | that's the link to my cupsd.conf |
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| 03:02.57 | Azar | delmar also: http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 03:03.06 | adub | has anyone heard of the aol version of linux called gamera?? |
| 03:03.24 | abrotman | long dead afaik |
| 03:04.19 | MrNaz | whats a tool that can be used to see if a HDD is still plugged in |
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| 03:04.30 | abrotman | cat ? |
| 03:04.37 | MrNaz | thanks |
| 03:05.05 | MrNaz | heh |
| 03:05.08 | MrNaz | anything less "hackey" ? |
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| 03:09.46 | adub | has anyone heard of the aol version of linux called gamera?? |
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| 03:10.37 | Gnea | how many question marks do you need to use before someone asks you to try google?? |
| 03:10.52 | jtacy | haha, nice |
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| 03:11.17 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 03:11.32 | lkthomas | does crontab allow me to run a program every 30second |
| 03:11.40 | Gnea | yes |
| 03:11.44 | abrotman | no |
| 03:11.48 | lkthomas | ? |
| 03:11.50 | Gnea | heh |
| 03:11.58 | lkthomas | Gnea: how could I deal with it ? |
| 03:12.14 | Gnea | lkthomas: it doesn't currently, but it has the capability to - man 5 crontab |
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| 03:12.37 | beered | How can I find out what ieee80211 version I have installed? |
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| 03:13.06 | lkthomas | Gnea: it got minium on mins set only |
| 03:13.08 | quant | adf |
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| 03:13.20 | Gnea | lkthomas: look at the secs field |
| 03:13.36 | quant | anyone see simpsons tonite? |
| 03:13.38 | quant | i missed it |
| 03:13.43 | quant | i'm getting the torrent |
| 03:13.50 | lkthomas | Gnea: it does not exists |
| 03:13.55 | quant | tivo fucked me |
| 03:14.10 | quant | in the butt |
| 03:14.18 | quant | wait. that came out backward |
| 03:14.24 | Azar | ops |
| 03:14.25 | tilrman | lkthomas: you could put two lines and put a 'sleep 30;' on one |
| 03:14.33 | quant | i meant that i |
| 03:14.35 | quant | um |
| 03:14.37 | quant | sorry |
| 03:14.43 | quant | why do you hate me |
| 03:14.47 | llamakc | no dogs allowed |
| 03:14.47 | quant | to talk |
| 03:14.56 | lkthomas | great idea ! |
| 03:14.58 | lkthomas | Thanks tilrman |
| 03:14.59 | quant | no dogs or philosophers |
| 03:15.38 | quant | very sophmoric |
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| 03:15.57 | beered | Is there a way to extract a version number from a module? |
| 03:16.15 | tilrman | lkthomas: np |
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| 03:16.59 | quant | i'm wondering why you're hating on gentoo |
| 03:17.01 | abrotman | !info gentoo sarge |
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| 03:17.03 | badgers | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.46-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 741 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB |
| 03:17.06 | abrotman | CaT[tm]: ^^ |
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| 03:17.21 | deadcat | CaT[tm]: its a file manager. |
| 03:17.22 | CaT[tm] | ah. fair enough :) |
| 03:17.47 | llamakc | you could apt-cache show $PACKAGE to find that out before asking here |
| 03:18.51 | CaT[tm] | it was used in the contect of an example package. |
| 03:19.04 | quant | somebody hit me |
| 03:19.10 | quant | with a stupid question |
| 03:19.13 | quant | ready? go |
| 03:19.25 | CaT[tm] | quant: what does blue taste like? |
| 03:19.25 | quant | cat man? stupid questions? |
| 03:19.31 | llamakc | why can't you figure out hdparm? |
| 03:19.33 | quant | good one |
| 03:19.40 | quant | now that was stupid |
| 03:19.43 | quant | two in a row |
| 03:19.50 | cheal | quant: #debian doesn't have stupid questions |
| 03:19.50 | quant | we're on a roll |
| 03:19.57 | quant | three |
| 03:20.00 | quant | i cant believe it |
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| 03:20.03 | nvz | just stupid people |
| 03:20.14 | llamakc | heh |
| 03:20.18 | Azar | tard invasion? |
| 03:20.22 | abrotman | duh |
| 03:20.33 | quant | fuck all y'all |
| 03:20.39 | quant | not yet tho |
| 03:20.40 | nvz | they all showed up looking for abrotman's mom |
| 03:20.44 | mfrisch | and hello to you |
| 03:20.51 | abrotman | nvz: that's fine .. let them use her |
| 03:20.58 | PowerPC | anyone: after i installed debian and configured X with the S3 Driver, the video is fuxed up (quarter of the screen is displayed 3 times across the screen.) running at 800x600 at 60Hz |
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| 03:21.12 | quant | ppc |
| 03:21.13 | quant | love ya |
| 03:21.24 | llamakc | uh maybe you should use the nofbdev prompt |
| 03:21.35 | quant | maybe you should run hdparm |
| 03:21.41 | PowerPC | quant: ? |
| 03:21.47 | quant | ppc |
| 03:21.48 | Gnea | quant: stupid question? okay: why do you exist? |
| 03:21.49 | quant | word |
| 03:21.51 | Azar | PowerPC: do not listen to the troll |
| 03:21.59 | nvz | quant: maybe you should get your ritalin perscription refilled |
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| 03:22.14 | quant | dont call me troll, fairy |
| 03:22.18 | dvm1981 | Gnea: To have an minimum of stupid one here on this planet :-/ |
| 03:22.22 | Azar | troll |
| 03:22.23 | nvz | quant: next time dont take em all in one day |
| 03:22.25 | PowerPC | Azar: lol rhx |
| 03:22.26 | llamakc | oh snap. i roll my d20 |
| 03:22.28 | quant | nvz wishes he could ban me |
| 03:22.28 | repp | Hi; I'm trying to install a bootloader into a disk in a USB enclosure, with the intention of moving the disk into a headless machine. Anyone know the ins&outs of either lilo or grub to pull this off? |
| 03:22.30 | quant | but he cant |
| 03:22.32 | PowerPC | thx* |
| 03:22.53 | llamakc | repp: hardware? |
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| 03:23.01 | repp | llamakc: x86 |
| 03:23.11 | quant | ppc |
| 03:23.15 | Wonker | Q: Which package inserts the debian-installer/keymap entry into debconf? |
| 03:23.18 | abrotman | quant wishes he weren't out of beer .. but he is |
| 03:23.34 | quant | fuck you. i've got a keg, stupid |
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| 03:23.49 | quant | hateful is fun |
| 03:23.50 | Gnea | quant: let's leave your mom out of this. |
| 03:24.10 | nvz | Azar: sound like a hamster on a wheel? |
| 03:24.13 | abrotman | quant: how does stupid feel? |
| 03:24.19 | llamakc | delicious |
| 03:24.19 | nvz | heh |
| 03:24.20 | quant | stupid is |
| 03:24.21 | Gnea | quant: hurts, don't it? |
| 03:24.28 | Azar | nvz hahaha so sad I will miss the troll |
| 03:24.55 | llamakc | who just asked why there was a gentoo package in debian? |
| 03:25.01 | llamakc | was that you azar? |
| 03:25.10 | Azar | not me I know about it |
| 03:25.13 | quant | apt-cache search gentoo |
| 03:25.18 | llamakc | ok sorry |
| 03:25.44 | litage | is there a difference between a "half length" and "half height" pci card? |
| 03:25.46 | llamakc | i wish ubuntu kids knew about /etc/alternatives |
| 03:25.47 | Azar | it was CaT[tm] |
| 03:26.07 | quant | what's the difference between 'half life' and 'mean life'? |
| 03:26.18 | nvz | probably abrotman's mom. she still thinks a file manager is someone in charge of the records office |
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| 03:26.42 | quant | hint? it has to do with half lives and logorithms |
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| 03:26.45 | llamakc | brkeg |
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| 03:29.30 | lkthomas | * * * * 1 sh /usr/bin/test.sh <--- is this correct if I want to run test.sh every one mins ? |
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| 03:30.29 | Gnea | lkthomas: 1 * * * * sh /usr/bin/test.sh |
| 03:30.39 | jond3rd | that's not right either |
| 03:30.39 | lkthomas | LOL, reverse , Thanks |
| 03:30.41 | jtacy | lkthomas: try */1 * * * * |
| 03:30.50 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 03:30.52 | jtacy | oh no |
| 03:30.56 | jtacy | * * * * * :) |
| 03:30.59 | lkthomas | huh ?! |
| 03:31.06 | jond3rd | */1 * * * * sh /usr/bin/test.sh |
| 03:31.07 | jtacy | yeah, every minute |
| 03:31.16 | lkthomas | ok, hmm |
| 03:31.29 | jtacy | cron only has minute precision so all stars will give you every minute |
| 03:31.36 | lkthomas | right |
| 03:31.42 | lkthomas | cron need to improve into second then :) |
| 03:31.48 | jtacy | btw is there a cron daemon with better precision? |
| 03:31.58 | lkthomas | no idea |
| 03:32.06 | lkthomas | I heard daemon.. something |
| 03:32.09 | lkthomas | forget the name |
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| 03:32.56 | unstable | !test |
| 03:32.57 | badgers | No, unstable, you're not online any more. |
| 03:33.04 | dvs | badgers? |
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| 03:33.39 | lkthomas | do I need to restart crontab when I edit a line ? |
| 03:33.39 | spatulasnout | Hi, anyone know what's involved with doing what I hope is a very simple QoS adjustement: I simply want to have all (outgoing) UDP packets have higher priority over everything else on my system. I'm reading FAQ's, but i'm hoping what I'm trying to do is fairly simple. I'm not sure what kernel patches, if any, I'd need. My kernel is 2.4.27. Thanks! |
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| 03:33.51 | jtacy | lkthomas: nope |
| 03:33.56 | Azar | newbies wanting to know Debian, here is a very easy, clear writing about debian distributions, packages, etc: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/free_issues/issue_10/jump_to_debian/ |
| 03:33.57 | lkthomas | ok :) |
| 03:34.02 | jtacy | lkthomas: you're supposed to use crontab -e to edit though |
| 03:34.02 | lkthomas | thanks jtacy |
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| 03:34.08 | lkthomas | jtacy: I do :) |
| 03:34.08 | Gnea | !newbie_guide |
| 03:34.09 | badgers | i heard newbie_guide is at http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016 , http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/ , http://www.aboutdebian.com/ |
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| 03:34.13 | astronut | badgers badgers badgers mushroom! |
| 03:34.14 | badgers | astronut: i haven't a clue |
| 03:34.24 | Azar | Gnea, that article is very good |
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| 03:34.33 | Gnea | Azar: yeah it is |
| 03:34.51 | astronut | Gnea: i always misread your nick as "GNAA", the troll group |
| 03:35.00 | Azar | it explains very well about stable, testing and unstable |
| 03:35.01 | lkthomas | LOL |
| 03:35.05 | lkthomas | GNAA ? |
| 03:35.08 | lkthomas | what is that |
| 03:35.11 | GnEa | :P |
| 03:35.18 | dvs | lkthomas: You don't wanna know |
| 03:35.21 | jtacy | lol |
| 03:35.24 | lkthomas | why ? LOL |
| 03:35.29 | dvs | lkthomas: www.gnaa.org I think |
| 03:35.35 | Gnea | lame. |
| 03:35.37 | astronut | badgers badgers badgers mushroom! |
| 03:35.37 | badgers | wish i knew, astronut |
| 03:35.40 | astronut | hmm |
| 03:35.46 | jtacy | old school slashdot throwback |
| 03:35.54 | astronut | badgers: badgers is badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom |
| 03:35.55 | badgers | ...but badgers is already something else... |
| 03:35.57 | lkthomas | heh |
| 03:36.03 | astronut | !badgers |
| 03:36.04 | badgers | Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Mushroom, Mushroom, Snake !!, or make great gifts, fun for the whole family |
| 03:36.08 | dvs | lkthomas: Nope. That's not it. There gone! |
| 03:36.15 | astronut | badgers: badgers badgers is badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom |
| 03:36.15 | badgers | astronut: I think you lost me on that one |
| 03:36.16 | dvs | They're gone! |
| 03:36.20 | astronut | i'm confused now |
| 03:36.20 | lkthomas | ok :) |
| 03:36.22 | astronut | oh well |
| 03:36.29 | dvs | astronut: no snake? |
| 03:36.40 | astronut | dvs: not yet! |
| 03:36.44 | Dwonis | it's http://www.gnaa.us/ |
| 03:36.44 | astronut | you have to go several verses |
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| 03:37.56 | astronut | a choice quote: The latest incarnation of Debian, codenamed "Sarge", had been eagerly anticipated for approximately 6,000 years by both unwashed GNU/Hippies and fizzlebearded Open Source aficionados alike. So far the reception of "Sarge" has ranged from indifferent to uninterested, but the release has managed to draw the attention of many fundamentalist Christians, who have long seen the release of a new version of Debian as one of th |
| 03:37.57 | astronut | e major signs of the apocalypse. |
| 03:38.20 | dvs | astronut: ahahahaha. It only SEEMS that way. |
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| 03:38.29 | astronut | dvs: oh, it gets wor |
| 03:38.29 | astronut | s |
| 03:38.30 | astronut | e |
| 03:38.34 | gravity | ugh... |
| 03:38.36 | astronut | gah, can't type |
| 03:38.51 | christor | how to do to propose a debian packageS? |
| 03:38.58 | kevix | astronut: if you think Sarge was cool, Etch will really rock! |
| 03:39.05 | astronut | kevix: wasn't me |
| 03:39.22 | astronut | christor: "reportbug wnpp" will walk you through it |
| 03:39.23 | Azar | christor: you mean request ? |
| 03:39.27 | astronut | just make sure to fill out all the fields |
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| 03:40.08 | kevix | gravity: have you heard of lincoln stein? |
| 03:40.14 | gravity | kevix: No |
| 03:40.22 | christor | Azar: just to know I m developping a little soft to parse fw log file |
| 03:40.40 | kevix | gravity: he wrote many seminal perl book and works at cold spring harbor labs |
| 03:40.48 | gravity | Ah, cool |
| 03:40.48 | Azar | christor: there is a section on www.debian.org for contributors |
| 03:41.00 | christor | Azar: ok thx |
| 03:41.27 | kevix | gravity: I just went to a lecture he have on software he made to view genomes |
| 03:41.39 | astronut | 3d DNA view? |
| 03:41.40 | MrNaz | i've fixed my network settings in /etc/network/interfaces ... but i have to type ifup eth0 manually every time i reboot... why is that? |
| 03:41.40 | Azar | since I do not know how to code I only can send money or do accounting job |
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| 03:41.59 | dvs | MrNaz: No "auto eth0" in interfaces? |
| 03:42.00 | Dwonis | MrNaz add a line "auto eth0" |
| 03:42.06 | Azar | MrNaz you only have to use "restart" for interfaces |
| 03:42.15 | kevix | astronut: actaully it is a viewer that uses perl modules based upon GD |
| 03:42.19 | gravity | kevix: Does it do anything special |
| 03:42.24 | gravity | s/$/?/ |
| 03:42.44 | MrNaz | thanks eveyrone :) |
| 03:42.51 | astronut | dondelelcaro might be interested, he does microbiology i beleive |
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| 03:43.05 | astronut | gravity: $ is opposite of ^ right? |
| 03:43.10 | gravity | astronut: Yes |
| 03:43.21 | gravity | Structural biology actually |
| 03:43.43 | spatulasnout | hi, anyone here with QoS experience? Is giving high priority to outgoing UDP packets easy? thx |
| 03:43.48 | kevix | gravity: it can output info in open markup, svg, and works with other genomic data |
| 03:44.00 | astronut | spatulasnout: depends on your ISP, many ignore Qos |
| 03:44.05 | gravity | Ah, ok |
| 03:44.18 | gravity | It takes a lot for genomic software to impress me these days |
| 03:44.28 | Dwonis | astronut: he said *outgoing* |
| 03:44.42 | astronut | Dwonis: yes, but his ISP might not respect a high QoS |
| 03:44.46 | kizmet | Dwonis, nost still ignore QoS |
| 03:44.54 | kizmet | *most |
| 03:45.14 | kevix | gravity: I rememberd your background and thought it might interst you. well, it looked cooler then the other viewers and it seem to do a lot more stuff. |
| 03:45.14 | MrNaz | whats a good tool to get the serial number of a sata hd? |
| 03:45.28 | gravity | kevix: Well most of them don' |
| 03:45.34 | kizmet | MrNaz, Look at the label ? |
| 03:45.35 | spatulasnout | astronut: i have a dedicated server, i just want UDP packets to receive the highest priority, outgoing, in my 10mbps uplink... or does the ISP still matter in that case |
| 03:45.37 | abrotman | who put ' next to enter! |
| 03:45.39 | gravity | t address fundamental problems. They just make incremental improvements, which is Ok |
| 03:46.01 | dvs | abrotman: Me~ |
| 03:46.01 | astronut | spatulasnout: to go out your uplink, no...from uplink to the rest of the net, yes |
| 03:46.03 | astronut | gravity: what's your background/ |
| 03:46.08 | gravity | astronut: I'm a biologist |
| 03:46.15 | astronut | oh really? I didn't know that |
| 03:46.24 | Dwonis | spatulasnout: It can be done. I remember reading a HOWTO about it, but I don't remember off-hand |
| 03:46.28 | astronut | i guess i just assumed you were compsci/IT |
| 03:46.40 | spatulasnout | astronut: i think the rest of the net can handle my traffic OK... it's just when I saturate my 10mbps uplink, i want to prioritize what i'm sending out |
| 03:46.50 | astronut | spatulasnout: ah, ok |
| 03:46.54 | astronut | i don't know how to do it |
| 03:46.58 | astronut | but yes, that should be doable |
| 03:47.02 | MrNaz | kizmet no, from the OS |
| 03:47.05 | astronut | probably iptables, could be completly off thoguh |
| 03:47.13 | Dwonis | spatulasnout: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.qdisc.html |
| 03:47.17 | spatulasnout | Dwonis, astronut: thanks, ok I'll keep at the how-tos |
| 03:47.18 | kevix | gravity: it was interesting to hear about exons and introns and all that stuff... |
| 03:47.24 | abrotman | gravity: are you actually going to get a job in biology? |
| 03:47.32 | astronut | gravity: what kind of biology, and what do you do for a living? |
| 03:47.34 | gravity | heh |
| 03:47.38 | spatulasnout | Dwonis: thanks |
| 03:47.44 | gravity | abrotman: Nothing yet. I'm just a PhD student right now |
| 03:47.53 | gravity | astronut: ^ doing molecular genetics and developmental bio |
| 03:47.53 | Azar | biology: cool job |
| 03:47.59 | abrotman | gravity: i meant .. will you look in biology .. or compsci? |
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| 03:48.00 | astronut | gravity: cool |
| 03:48.03 | gravity | astronut: No idea yet |
| 03:48.04 | kizmet | MrNaz, cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 03:48.06 | astronut | so comp sci is just a hobby? |
| 03:48.27 | gravity | Pretty much |
| 03:48.29 | kizmet | MrNaz, *maybe* |
| 03:48.44 | astronut | gravity: well, we all apprecaite your x hobby |
| 03:48.47 | gravity | heh |
| 03:48.50 | abrotman | gravity: dunno . i mean .. when you get elected DPL . looks good on a compsci resume :) |
| 03:48.50 | astronut | a lot more productive than an xxx hobby |
| 03:49.05 | astronut | abrotman for DPL! |
| 03:49.14 | kevix | astronut: if you check out floss, you will find much software made by physicist, biologist, linguists who just happen to make software also... |
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| 03:49.19 | MrNaz | kizmet has vendor and model info, but no serials... |
| 03:49.19 | Dwonis | spatulasnout: actually, you might want to look at the entire HOWTO. There's even a "cookbook" section |
| 03:49.28 | Dwonis | astronut: Is that a threat? |
| 03:49.36 | astronut | Dwonis: haha |
| 03:49.47 | astronut | speaking of which.. gravity, do you know if ari is serious? |
| 03:49.53 | kizmet | MrNaz, i wonder if the S.M.A.R.T proggys have info on that.... |
| 03:50.05 | astronut | kizmet: well, the D.U.M.B ones don't |
| 03:50.07 | gravity | astronut: He's not really |
| 03:50.10 | gravity | But he sorta is |
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| 03:50.13 | gravity | I'm not sure |
| 03:50.14 | MrNaz | kizmet whats the name of the smart progs? |
| 03:50.14 | astronut | gravity: hmm.. |
| 03:50.21 | astronut | i don't see him taking it seriously enough |
| 03:50.26 | Dwonis | mmmm.. perogies |
| 03:50.27 | astronut | you know what i mean? |
| 03:50.28 | gravity | I was going to get him drunk and pick his brain about it last night, but the bastard copped out on me |
| 03:50.42 | astronut | wait, i thought i heard mako talking about getting him drunk? |
| 03:50.47 | astronut | two people both doing it? |
| 03:50.49 | kevix | gravity: the software he made is at http://www.gmod.org |
| 03:50.54 | abrotman | sometimes it takes two people :) |
| 03:50.56 | gravity | astronut: mako was over |
| 03:50.58 | CaT[tm] | goddamn mysql takes ages to compile. |
| 03:51.02 | astronut | ah, ok |
| 03:51.04 | gravity | kevix: Cool, thanks |
| 03:51.07 | astronut | i saw mako talking to him about it earlier |
| 03:51.33 | Dwonis | CaT[tm], this isn't #gentoo ;) |
| 03:51.50 | astronut | abrotman: oh that's right, aren't you in boston? |
| 03:51.53 | CaT[tm] | dwonis: hah :) need extra futre from mysql that isn't on by default. |
| 03:51.56 | abrotman | astronut: i wish |
| 03:52.01 | astronut | oh |
| 03:52.01 | abrotman | astronut: my family is up there |
| 03:52.05 | astronut | ah, ok |
| 03:52.09 | abrotman | part of it anyways |
| 03:52.13 | kevix | abrotman: but you see to have a 'thing' for cake x-) |
| 03:52.21 | abrotman | kevix: it was cake!!!!!!! |
| 03:52.39 | kizmet | MrNaz, smartctl -i /dev/hda |
| 03:52.46 | abrotman | Azar: I'm not a DD |
| 03:52.58 | kevix | gravity: did mako ever get all that stuff he had back to all the owners x-) |
| 03:53.05 | Azar | abrotman sorry I grossly misunderstood |
| 03:53.08 | gravity | kevix: I dunno, but I think so. I got all my stuff. |
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| 03:53.15 | abrotman | Azar: you're not the only one .. don't feel bad |
| 03:53.23 | gravity | He had very important stuff of mine though |
| 03:53.33 | astronut | your charger? |
| 03:53.35 | godmachine81 | anyone know how to change the color of the font in the panels and menus of gnome without changing the theme? |
| 03:53.40 | Azar | abrotman it is ok your image hasn't been chipped at all |
| 03:53.41 | kevix | gravity: linux world 2006! |
| 03:53.44 | kizmet | MrNaz, package is smartmontools just apt-get install that then run smartctl -i /dev/sd[X] |
| 03:54.41 | astronut | gravity: do you know of any DD's in ithaca NY by any chance |
| 03:54.51 | abrotman | astronut: that's not where you are :) |
| 03:54.58 | astronut | abrotman: not yet...next year |
| 03:55.01 | gravity | kevix: Maybe. I don't know if I can take the time off this year for more than a day or so |
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| 03:55.05 | abrotman | astronut: cornell ? |
| 03:55.10 | astronut | abrotman: yep |
| 03:55.13 | gravity | kevix: Which I'll probably spend most of with the Xorg guys anyway, learning the ropes and hacking |
| 03:55.25 | abrotman | i'm not sure there are any DDs in philly |
| 03:55.28 | gravity | astronut: Not in ithaca... maybe jaldhar is out there. Your best bet is to get to NYC |
| 03:55.30 | kevix | astronut: there are some in the tristate area but not sure about that far up north. |
| 03:55.55 | kevix | gravity: he's put some wacky images on his blog x-) |
| 03:56.12 | astronut | ah well...hopefully it will |
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| 03:56.35 | abrotman | astronut: iirc .. ithaca isn't all that far north |
| 03:56.40 | gravity | kevix: Who? |
| 03:56.43 | kevix | astronut: mako setup the debiannycsocial mailing list. if you ping it, you will get some folks. |
| 03:56.55 | kevix | gravity: jaldhar |
| 03:56.58 | astronut | i thought mako was in boston? |
| 03:56.58 | gravity | Ah, right |
| 03:57.00 | unix_infidel | is there a sid iso for the net install? |
| 03:57.02 | astronut | oh, nyc before then/ |
| 03:57.03 | gravity | That was a good post |
| 03:57.16 | abrotman | unix_infidel: no |
| 03:57.24 | unix_infidel | bloody hell. |
| 03:57.26 | unix_infidel | :( |
| 03:57.26 | kevix | astronut: he sojourned in NYC for a bit. |
| 03:57.40 | astronut | ah, got ya |
| 03:57.42 | unix_infidel | abrotman: i want to install a base system and go from there, any recommendations? |
| 03:57.46 | unix_infidel | like archlinux. |
| 03:57.58 | abrotman | unix_infidel: install sarge .. go to whatever you want |
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| 03:58.21 | kevix | unix_infidel: you can get iso disk #1 and then go from there or get the net iso or ... |
| 03:58.23 | l_r | what's the syntax for a standard URL linking to IRC channels? |
| 03:58.25 | unstable | What happens if debian runs out of toy story characters? |
| 03:58.46 | astronut | unstable: we go to toy story 2 |
| 03:58.47 | unix_infidel | kevix: iso disc 1 contains all the base stuff? |
| 03:58.48 | l_r | (an example is enough) |
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| 03:58.52 | abrotman | unstable: we buy pixar and force a third horrible sequel |
| 03:58.53 | unstable | l_r: http://link? |
| 03:58.53 | goat25 | it would take several hundred years before that happens, given the frequency of releases |
| 03:59.08 | unstable | abrotman: Toy Story 2 characters count for candidates? |
| 03:59.19 | abrotman | unstable: no .. he means something like irc://irc.freenode.net/#debian .. or some garbage like that |
| 03:59.23 | abrotman | unstable: afaik |
| 03:59.26 | kevix | unix_infidel: the iso's are sorted by usefulness/popularity. 1 & 2 are the basic to get 'base' and 'X' and IIRC gnome and kde |
| 03:59.34 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 03:59.34 | badgers | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 03:59.38 | Dwonis | wtf? gnome-font-properties overrides the X server's dpi settings as soon as you run it! |
| 03:59.52 | l_r | abrotman, correct |
| 04:00.01 | unix_infidel | kevix: thanks, ill install tomorrow. |
| 04:00.03 | kevix | Dwonis: anoying isn't it. |
| 04:00.18 | unix_infidel | gotta figure out sysv after falling asleep trying to open up firefox and google on it last night :) |
| 04:00.25 | Dwonis | kevix: incredibly |
| 04:00.53 | kevix | unix_infidel: what do you need to do? edit you runlevels? |
| 04:01.32 | unix_infidel | kevix: prevent unecessary services from starting up. compile a lean i686 optimized kernel. |
| 04:01.42 | abrotman | astronut: how will you have time to do your NM/DD ? |
| 04:01.44 | kevix | unix_infidel: apt-get remove ? |
| 04:01.56 | astronut | abrotman: that's why i'm hoping i finish before ;-) |
| 04:01.56 | abrotman | astronut: and help in #debian! :) |
| 04:02.04 | unix_infidel | kevix: not necessarily uninstall those. just prevent them from starting up at boot. |
| 04:02.07 | astronut | i do need to do more of that actually |
| 04:02.09 | unix_infidel | gonna go eat. :) |
| 04:02.26 | Supaplex | the unix_infidel will eat at sundown! |
| 04:02.28 | astronut | alright, i'm out, later |
| 04:02.30 | kevix | unix_infidel: there are rcconf and other tools. |
| 04:02.36 | Azar | if I would not have the job, I would learn and sit here all day helping |
| 04:02.41 | kevix | !rcconf |
| 04:02.42 | badgers | methinks rcconf is a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out sysv-rc-conf ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
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| 04:03.33 | Supaplex | but this is eariser: ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber | xargs rm |
| 04:03.37 | Azar | I would put my old PC on etch and test all stuff |
| 04:03.41 | Supaplex | eaiser* |
| 04:03.50 | kizmet | How do i install a KDM theme on debian :S |
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| 04:05.41 | kevix | anyone know a console browser that supports ssl? |
| 04:05.48 | abrotman | w3m? |
| 04:05.50 | cjaymes | lynx-ssl |
| 04:05.53 | gpm | hey guys. i have a small problem. i have two boxes connected to the same router. now, when i go to localhost:631 on one of the boxes, it shows all two printers (one of which is connected to the OTHER box), but when i do the same on the OTHER box, it only shows the printer that's connected to it via usb. both are set up to allow the other to browse eachother (in fact, their cupsd.conf's are nearly identical) so i can't figure out what's up...an |
| 04:05.53 | gpm | y help? |
| 04:05.56 | kevix | thanks. |
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| 04:08.16 | avar | what package do I need to get so xmms will play all mp3 files? |
| 04:08.25 | abrotman | apt-get install xmms |
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| 04:09.24 | unstable | avar: figure out which files xmms can't play, and go to the directory where that file is, say if the name is britneyspears.mp3, type this: "file britneyspears.mp3" and see if it is actually an mp3, it could be some windows format that was misnamed. |
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| 04:10.16 | kevix | unstable: where you I be with file! |
| 04:10.29 | abrotman | kevix: what i am are you? |
| 04:10.39 | avar | unix_infidel: mm, I don't even remember which files..;/ |
| 04:10.50 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/X11/X' returned no results. |
| 04:10.52 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linux source' returned no results. |
| 04:10.54 | kevix | unstable: ummm.. where would I be without file! |
| 04:10.56 | avar | but anyway it's some issue in xmms, you can fix it in gentoo by getting the mpg123 decoding plugin |
| 04:10.59 | abrotman | hahah |
| 04:11.05 | abrotman | that was awesome |
| 04:11.20 | abrotman | poor dpkg |
| 04:11.39 | drp | what happened to dpkg |
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| 04:11.49 | unstable | kevix: elinks |
| 04:11.50 | unstable | !dpkg |
| 04:11.51 | badgers | hmm... dpkg is mad |
| 04:12.04 | unstable | drp: /msg badgers |
| 04:12.16 | abrotman | drp: gone .. quit .. dead |
| 04:12.18 | kevix | unstable: I have links2 but it doesn't have ssl! |
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| 04:12.47 | meheren | wow 764 ppl in here!... |
| 04:12.53 | abrotman | that's it? |
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| 04:13.09 | unstable | !msgbadgers |
| 04:13.10 | badgers | methinks msgbadgers is "/msg" is a command in most IRC clients to send a private message (PM) to a user. badgers is a bot, who responds to certain keywords with information. If somebody tells you to "/msg badgers something", type that into your IRC client and dpkg will tell you something in private to keep clutter off the main channel. Make sure you don't leave ... |
| 04:13.20 | kevix | meheren: its bigger than a tardis! |
| 04:14.28 | Padnah | I have been upgrading my pachages on debian etch. I now reboot and have no keyboard. I cannot type in my user and password. Is there a fix? Or must I re-install Linux? |
| 04:14.31 | Azar | excellent little game: gem drop |
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| 04:14.42 | unstable | yay |
| 04:14.42 | abrotman | Padnah: usb keyboard |
| 04:14.43 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 04:14.43 | dpkg | bonjour, abrotman |
| 04:14.50 | abrotman | dpkg: info filters sarge |
| 04:14.51 | Azar | welcome back dpkg |
| 04:14.53 | unstable | all hail dpkg |
| 04:15.00 | dpkg | filters: (a collection of filters, including B1FF and the Swedish Chef), section games, is optional. Version: 2.34 (sarge), Packaged size: 137 kB, Installed size: 412 kB |
| 04:15.02 | Padnah | abrotman, wireless |
| 04:15.07 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: dpkg is fixed! |
| 04:15.10 | unstable | !bye badgers |
| 04:15.10 | dpkg | Cya, badgers |
| 04:15.10 | badgers | Cya, badgers |
| 04:15.20 | abrotman | Padnah: ok .. and then it plugs into ps2 or usb? |
| 04:15.25 | fhffhqvb | :-| |
| 04:15.28 | fhffhqvb | !fix dpkg |
| 04:15.32 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 04:15.33 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg badgers 2006 key | NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu. | BORKED: packages.d.o, use pdo.debian.net instead | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 04:15.35 | unstable | hehe |
| 04:15.38 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 04:15.53 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 04:15.55 | unstable | dondelelcaro: The topic says "/msg badgers 2006 key" |
| 04:15.55 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu. | BORKED: packages.d.o, use pdo.debian.net instead | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 04:15.56 | Padnah | abrotman I must check but I believe that it is usb |
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| 04:16.17 | abrotman | Padnah: that might be a hint .. for whatever reason .. you may have not loaded your usb input modules |
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| 04:16.51 | Azar | .... like me I loaded the usb modules "just in case" and heck I never use them |
| 04:16.51 | Padnah | abrotman, is there a fix? |
| 04:16.58 | kevix | Padnah: check in /etc/modules to see if they are there. |
| 04:17.15 | Padnah | kevix, I cannot get into my system |
| 04:17.22 | abrotman | Padnah: try it in legacy mode .. or grab a ps2 keyboard .. test it that way .. |
| 04:17.45 | kevix | Padnah: you can not boot to single user mode? |
| 04:17.51 | Azar | or a small convertor |
| 04:18.10 | abrotman | let's convert Azar to fit a PS/2 port |
| 04:18.16 | Padnah | I cannot login in any manner |
| 04:18.25 | Padnah | I will try another keyboard |
| 04:18.30 | Azar | abrotman any problem if I want to be the "male" side? |
| 04:18.31 | abrotman | did you try a PS/2 keyboard? |
| 04:18.54 | abrotman | Azar: that would be implied by you fitting the port .. since the port is the female side |
| 04:19.04 | kevix | abrotman: what system will not allow you to type 'linux single' at the initial prompt? |
| 04:19.12 | abrotman | kevix: a bad one :) |
| 04:19.19 | Padnah | abrotman, I have not tried the PS/2 keyboard yet. It will take me some time to fetch it from another machine. |
| 04:19.23 | Azar | abrotman I would like to think I am fitting like a glove |
| 04:19.39 | abrotman | Azar: so you'd like to be small enough to fit a PS/2 port? |
| 04:19.49 | kevix | abrotman: would he need to enable 'legacy' usb keyboard support in the bios? |
| 04:19.54 | abrotman | Padnah: it's probably the best way to test and get in and fix it |
| 04:19.54 | Azar | five pins suffice |
| 04:20.03 | abrotman | kevix: it's possible .. but that's kind of crummy |
| 04:20.43 | abrotman | course .. so is digging out a PS2 keyboard |
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| 04:21.33 | kevix | abrotman: have you ever chatted with the udev maintainer? |
| 04:21.41 | abrotman | kevix: about what? |
| 04:21.51 | kevix | abrotman: about udev? |
| 04:21.55 | abrotman | kevix: Md rarely comes in here .. and i don't go in #-devel |
| 04:21.57 | chuckyp | Anyone know why I would be unable to launch open office on a fresh install of debian? It just seems to hang launching anything open office related calc writer etc... |
| 04:22.07 | kevix | abrotman: exactly. |
| 04:22.11 | abrotman | kevix: what would i tell him? |
| 04:22.23 | abrotman | "Md: your package broke 234737589433 machines this week" |
| 04:22.26 | kevix | abrotman: stop breaking it! |
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| 04:22.32 | chuckyp | When its hung its not using any cpu but its sucking up a third of my memory. |
| 04:22.33 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: you runing sarge, etch, or sid? |
| 04:22.40 | abrotman | kevix: you'd think DDs would complain |
| 04:22.50 | MrNaz | when i boot my machine, at the login prompt i get: Mrnaz login: tg3: eth0: Link is up at 1000mbps etc etc it still behaves like a login prompt, but its annoying... any solutions? |
| 04:22.57 | kevix | abrotman: on debian-user its a few topic of the day. |
| 04:23.00 | abrotman | kevix: seems to be a case of 'he who shouts loudest wins' :) |
| 04:23.07 | chuckyp | zebalin4, I believe i'm running sarge I just downloaded the netinstall cd and installed that way. This is my first experience with debian. |
| 04:23.20 | chuckyp | zebalin4, and its open office 1.1 |
| 04:23.28 | rredd4 | is there a web site or something that can tell me how to make a emergency rescue cd for sarge? |
| 04:23.28 | kevix | chuckyp: welcome to Debian! |
| 04:23.37 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: net installer insalls etch, does it not? |
| 04:23.40 | abrotman | kevix: i'm sure if i complained i'd get "you just don't understand .. you're so stupid .. you should die" |
| 04:23.47 | chuckyp | zebalin4, Is there a way to check? |
| 04:23.51 | kevix | abrotman: sounds like Md! |
| 04:23.59 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: you probably got sarge. |
| 04:24.15 | abrotman | kevix: i've read enough of his rants on planet .. seems like it would be a waste of breath |
| 04:24.19 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: try at terminal: uname -r |
| 04:24.29 | chuckyp | zebalin4, if sarge is 3.1 I believe I remember seeing that and stable on all the package servers |
| 04:24.51 | kevix | abrotman: supposedly there is a new draft of a code of conduct for debian. |
| 04:24.57 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: so how did you install openoffice? via apt-get? |
| 04:24.59 | chuckyp | zebalin4, 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 04:25.16 | chuckyp | zebalin4, No it installed open office based on me selecting a desktop install of debian. |
| 04:25.24 | abrotman | kevix: regarding IRC or blogs or what? |
| 04:25.46 | Azar | rredd4: wait I am searching it for you |
| 04:25.58 | rredd4 | Azar: ty! |
| 04:26.39 | chuckyp | zebalin4, Yes to the apt-get question since netinstall uses apt to install all packages selected and satisfy dependencies. |
| 04:26.42 | rredd4 | Azar: I have timo's rescue cd, don't know how to use it. |
| 04:27.27 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: at a terminal enter: ooffice -w and let me know if you get some error message. |
| 04:27.28 | chuckyp | zebalin4, It attempts to launch OO like the status bar goes all the way across then it hangs write before it draws the app i'm assuming. It stops using cpu and just sucks 30% MEM. |
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| 04:27.39 | unstable | http://pastebin.com/574394 |
| 04:27.39 | kevix | abrotman: enrico zini put out a few docs in ~enrico/dcg |
| 04:27.43 | unstable | How can I make that work? |
| 04:27.46 | Azar | rredd4: http://osx.freshmeat.net/projects/rescuecd/ |
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| 04:28.12 | Azar | rredd4: you got the links there so surf them |
| 04:28.13 | [quidam] | hi |
| 04:28.15 | unstable | I want to run `echo "This is a test"` by catting that file. |
| 04:28.26 | meheren | is there a music PLAYER that can acces the itunes music store? |
| 04:28.27 | unstable | !tell [quidam] about debian-es |
| 04:28.34 | [quidam] | I have a problem with gnome vfs ahd hal |
| 04:28.36 | lakcaj | How do I compile/install something with scons and have the binary end up in /usr/bin as opposed to /usr/local/bin? |
| 04:28.40 | chuckyp | zebalin4, No error status bar is all the way accross and now its just sitting there. |
| 04:28.49 | abrotman | kevix: ah .. seems to be targeted at the mailing lists mostly |
| 04:28.52 | unstable | meheren: apt-get install gtkpod |
| 04:29.06 | [quidam] | computer :/// is not listing my devices |
| 04:29.07 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: reinstall the damn thing: apt-get install openoffice.org should work. Not sure what they called it in 1.1. I don't run sarge. |
| 04:29.15 | meheren | thx |
| 04:29.24 | rredd4 | Azar: ok, I have been and cannot find out how to use the cd. I found out the password, but no info about the user name. |
| 04:29.41 | chuckyp | zebalin4, Alright let me kill this proccess first |
| 04:29.44 | Azar | rredd4: http://rescuecd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:29.52 | unstable | !tell [quidam] about hal |
| 04:29.53 | Azar | there is a howto |
| 04:30.01 | abrotman | kevix: of course .. since there aren't that many DDs in #debian doing support that i'm aware of .. not much point in setting up guidelines for IRC :) |
| 04:30.11 | chuckyp | zebalin4, I thought it might just be taking a long time to launch but i've waited up to about 7 minutes. And I'm on a p3/733 |
| 04:30.51 | drp | this isnt' a debian specific question but ... I'm trying to use grep to search for a keyword in a list of files in the current directory i'm in telling me which file the match came from along with the match |
| 04:30.52 | Azar | rredd4: guess what: I do not know either that why I am not using one |
| 04:30.53 | FarrisG | Does nfs-kernel-server in sarge support tcp, or will I need to use openbsd for that? |
| 04:30.54 | chuckyp | zebalin4, alright it says its already installed and its the newest version. |
| 04:31.03 | drp | here's what I tried ... grep -f * -H help |
| 04:31.08 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: first of all have you done a complete apt-get update and then a dist-upgrade since insalling? |
| 04:31.09 | chuckyp | zebalin4, so apt-get remove ? |
| 04:31.19 | drp | but that doesn't work ... I've read the man pages but can't seem to get it |
| 04:31.19 | chuckyp | zebalin4, No |
| 04:31.35 | Azar | I am really crippled when comes to mounting CDs , copying CDs etc.. so I will never have but only the official CD#1 |
| 04:31.45 | kevix | abrotman: seem so! |
| 04:31.48 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: well you will want to do that eventually to pick up the newer stuff in sarge... but there won't be much there. |
| 04:32.11 | chuckyp | zebalin4, Okay so just apt-get update then dist-upgrade ? |
| 04:32.13 | abrotman | kevix: maybe someday the trend will be reversed |
| 04:32.16 | Azar | zebalin4: you know what frozen distro is? |
| 04:32.21 | abrotman | anyways .. i gotta sleep |
| 04:32.21 | chuckyp | zebalin4, I'm unfimilar with this package manager |
| 04:32.34 | Azar | good night abrotman |
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| 04:32.39 | zebalin4 | Azar: there might be some new stuff for sarge. |
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| 04:32.47 | Azar | zebalin4: nope is frozen |
| 04:32.49 | zebalin4 | Azar: updates of some kind. |
| 04:32.56 | Azar | only security updates |
| 04:33.10 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: ok then forget the upgrade. They say it won't do anything. |
| 04:33.23 | meheren | is there a music PLAYER that i can use for the itunes music store? |
| 04:33.24 | Azar | Sarge is stable so no impure new packages will go in |
| 04:33.33 | Azar | is ment to stay clean and stable |
| 04:33.34 | chuckyp | zebalin4, okay apt-get dist-upgrade is showing nothing to be updated. I'm assuming thats since I did a net install it pulled the newest packages. |
| 04:33.39 | kevix | unstable: I looked at you example. what are you realy trying to do.... |
| 04:34.13 | Azar | chuckyp: from now on, you will only use aptitude or apt-get update / aptitude or apt-get upgrade |
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| 04:34.34 | unstable | kevix: I just want the command `echo "This is a test"` to be executed with my command while catting. |
| 04:34.45 | kevix | meheren: do you want to buy music from there or play apple music files from the store? |
| 04:34.46 | unstable | kevix: I want to cat a file, and execute a specify line from a file, the entire line. |
| 04:35.04 | chuckyp | Azar, gotcha |
| 04:35.05 | unstable | meheren: Don't pay for music, apt-get install gtk-gnutella; then as non-root type gtk-gnutella |
| 04:35.11 | chuckyp | zebalin4, Any other ideas to try? |
| 04:35.15 | meheren | kevix, both |
| 04:35.33 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: I wonder if the installer put in a java vm. I would assume one comes with OO? |
| 04:35.46 | Azar | chuckyp: read this article, tells you more: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/free_issues/issue_10/jump_to_debian/ |
| 04:35.51 | rredd4 | Azar: i am relatively new to linux.. I downloaded the timo's cd today. I will follow the instructions. ty The other day, in grub, I put the wrong default number in menu.lst. Grub would not work. All i needed was a console to fix it. instead i reinstalled sarge. |
| 04:35.58 | Supaplex | creative commons > gnutella |
| 04:36.14 | meheren | unstable, is that legal... like i won't go to jail or nothing... right? |
| 04:36.16 | meheren | lol |
| 04:36.20 | unstable | meheren: right |
| 04:36.28 | unstable | meheren: debian is open source, of course it's legal. |
| 04:36.33 | meheren | unstable cool :) |
| 04:36.38 | Azar | rredd4: I am new too but I do not use grub |
| 04:36.40 | Supaplex | now what you do with it ... |
| 04:36.42 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: I guess I'd do a: apt-get --reinstall install openoffice.org |
| 04:36.48 | meheren | i love linux :) and the world of free software :) |
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| 04:37.30 | Azar | chuckyp: read more about dpkg and apt here: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html |
| 04:37.36 | kevix | unstable: change '|xargs bash' to '| bash' |
| 04:37.37 | chuckyp | zebalin4, Alright downloading now. |
| 04:37.47 | chuckyp | Azar, Thank you for the links Bookmarking them for later reading. |
| 04:37.55 | StringOfLetters | well, I would suggest you use dselect, but nevermind me |
| 04:38.01 | [quidam] | my nautilus is not showing my fstab devices if hal is running |
| 04:38.02 | Azar | chuckyp: just do try not to "download" stuff |
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| 04:38.11 | [quidam] | anyone? |
| 04:38.16 | chuckyp | Azar, I'm comming from fedora so I'm used to yum. |
| 04:38.23 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 04:38.23 | dpkg | dselect is, like, a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 04:38.25 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: I never really trust the net installer. I like to install the bare minimum and then apt-get on my own. |
| 04:38.33 | jetscreamer | i'm not as shy |
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| 04:38.35 | chuckyp | zebalin4, Yeah I hear ya. |
| 04:38.39 | jetscreamer | dselect is > * |
| 04:38.42 | Azar | chuckyp: in debian you will mostly use apt-get and aptitude, try not to download/install on your own |
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| 04:39.04 | jetscreamer | 99% of the time you can't tell it's better |
| 04:39.05 | chuckyp | Azar, Is there an issue installing from source etc...? |
| 04:39.08 | jetscreamer | or 99.9 |
| 04:39.26 | Azar | chuckyp: if you would take 15 min to read the articles, you will quickly understand |
| 04:39.30 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: I never used aptitude but I do like synaptic as a nice gui front-end to apt-get. Some folks won't use it, but I've never had a problem using it to install stuff. |
| 04:39.34 | chuckyp | zebalin4, Okay done let me try to launch it |
| 04:39.42 | kevix | chuckyp: the purpose to use a binary distro is to not need to compile unless absolutly necessary. |
| 04:39.52 | Azar | chuckyp: I would explain it to you here but it will be a waste of time, since I would tell you exactly what the article say |
| 04:40.02 | chuckyp | Azar, I will i'm just trying to figure out this open office problem. |
| 04:40.24 | Azar | chuckyp: not knowing apt would cripple you |
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| 04:40.33 | Azar | take 15 min and read now |
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| 04:41.00 | maelztrom | join #openbsd |
| 04:41.07 | Azar | in the Debian site there is a notice for all new users to read and become familiar with Debian befor installing |
| 04:41.11 | meheren | unstable, right then how do i use this program...? |
| 04:41.25 | unstable | meheren: type in the search what song you want |
| 04:41.32 | unstable | meheren: Or what anything you want. |
| 04:41.43 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: did it install openoffice.org-writer? |
| 04:41.43 | Azar | Differing from other Linux distributions, youll find not just one Debian version at a time, but three different releases: stable, testing and unstable. These are three different distributions. |
| 04:41.47 | meheren | unstable... when i do nothing happens |
| 04:41.50 | Azar | read up the article ^^^ |
| 04:41.51 | chuckyp | Azar, I understand the importance of learning apt, but currently my focus is on open office which is not working. |
| 04:41.58 | meheren | or rather it finds nothing...\ |
| 04:42.04 | unstable | meheren: apt-get install bittornado, and search www.thepiratebay.org for torrents you like also, and then type "btdownloadcurses http://link.to.torrent.file |
| 04:42.07 | StringOfLetters | chuckyp - btw yes, you can easily install from source, really fresh releases that don't have binary equivalent yet. It will all install to /usr/local/, and if you screw up, is very easy to undo |
| 04:42.08 | Azar | chuckyp: and you will not fix it because you do not know the workarounds |
| 04:42.17 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: you using kde or gnome? |
| 04:42.30 | chuckyp | zebalin4, KDE |
| 04:42.44 | chuckyp | zebalin4, and yes it installed the _all.deb package |
| 04:42.46 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: is there a menu item for writer? Should be. |
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| 04:43.01 | coywolf | how to load my lib not in a standard place? |
| 04:43.01 | chuckyp | zebalin4, yea there is. I can launch it either way with the same resutl. |
| 04:43.06 | Azar | good night honorables |
| 04:43.11 | StringOfLetters | btw, i also recommend that you install large packages such as OO or xorg or whatever, from .debs |
| 04:43.12 | coywolf | by setenv a variable |
| 04:43.14 | chuckyp | zebalin4, Imma try to launch as root see if that has any effect. |
| 04:43.41 | StringOfLetters | because it takes ages to compile, and requires considerable amount of -dev libs |
| 04:43.46 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: hmmm. brand new install of sarge and oo just bombs. strange. |
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| 04:44.17 | cjaymes | well, it's not in the topic, so I'll ask |
| 04:44.27 | cjaymes | why isn't firefox 1.5 yet in testing? |
| 04:44.30 | ireverentReveren | I just edited my initrd based on the instructions on this page :http://www.suspend2.net/FAQ-6.html#ss6.5 and now I get the following error when I reboot. What did I do wrong?:"XFS: bad magic number XFS: SB validate failed Kernel panic - not syncing : VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" |
| 04:44.51 | StringOfLetters | cjaymes - tried backports.org ? |
| 04:44.52 | cheal | !tell cjaymes about why is firefox not in testing |
| 04:44.58 | unix_infidel | lol, so that's interesting there's a nice transition guide to using apt-get. |
| 04:45.00 | chuckyp | zebalin4, exactly my thoughts. Unless its just going to take forever to open. But i've waited over five minutes just to launch calc witht he same results. |
| 04:45.07 | unix_infidel | BUT there's no transition guide to using sys :P |
| 04:45.09 | unix_infidel | sysv* |
| 04:45.13 | cjaymes | ahh, thanks |
| 04:45.16 | dadexter | gnite |
| 04:45.29 | unix_infidel | lol, dadexter in #debian? |
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| 04:45.39 | dadexter | argh!~ |
| 04:45.45 | dadexter | busted |
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| 04:46.09 | dadexter | wait a minute... wasn't I telling you last night I ran debian? |
| 04:46.14 | coywolf | help |
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| 04:46.19 | StringOfLetters | k, cya folks |
| 04:46.23 | _daniel_ | ,mplayer |
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| 04:46.47 | dadexter | curiosity and wanting to learn even more? |
| 04:46.48 | chuckyp | zebalin4, You know the splash screen that comes up with the status bar across the bottom. Thats the one i'm talking about it hanging on it gets all the way across and just hangs. |
| 04:46.52 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: no, it should not take more than 30 seconds to a minute on an old p3 to open. |
| 04:47.09 | unix_infidel | dadexter: arch is going through some crazy shit. which is why i cant deal with it right now. |
| 04:47.21 | ireverentReveren | anyone here got suspend2 working with debian? |
| 04:47.22 | unix_infidel | its like a manic girlfriend. |
| 04:47.23 | chuckyp | zebalin4, and Like right now if I run top and look at office its just sucking memory and not using cpu. |
| 04:47.28 | coywolf | how to load my lib not in a standard place? |
| 04:47.30 | unix_infidel | you just dont wanna deal with that shit. ;) |
| 04:47.32 | dadexter | unix_infidel, I left arch along time ago because of some crazy shit then... so I'm just looking at it now laughing |
| 04:47.42 | unix_infidel | ya damn skippy. |
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| 04:48.09 | unix_infidel | dadexter: know of any references to make the switch from BSD_style to sysv style srevice and config management with debian? |
| 04:48.09 | meheren | unstable, thx! |
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| 04:48.15 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: I'm just at a loss to figure out why 1.1 won't run for you. |
| 04:48.36 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: you mean from file-rc to sysv-rc? |
| 04:48.44 | unix_infidel | dondelelcaro: i have no effing idea what that is. |
| 04:48.52 | dadexter | unix_infidel, after I left, there was the libtool-slay, hotplug removal, initrd, and now xorg |
| 04:49.02 | unix_infidel | dadexter: LOL. |
| 04:49.03 | chuckyp | zebalin4, Me too hence why i'm here. I'm going to hunt arround for error files since its not throwing errors in console perhaps its writing to a file |
| 04:49.27 | kevix | unix_infidel: you do know that runlevel 2-5 are the same. |
| 04:49.34 | unix_infidel | kevix: yea i got that down. |
| 04:49.36 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: is everything else working ok? |
| 04:49.38 | unix_infidel | that's just common linux knowledge. |
| 04:49.40 | dadexter | unix_infidel, I can't think of any right now... I googled and found stuff about update-rc.d and stuff |
| 04:49.43 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: those are the two separate runlevel configuration management methods currently supported. apt-cache show is your friend. |
| 04:49.54 | kevix | unix_infidel: debian is the only one that does this. |
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| 04:50.13 | chuckyp | zebalin4, Everything else so far is working. I installed xchat i'm on Kopete right now and xchat I've also used the net with konquer. |
| 04:50.18 | dondelelcaro | (you can always make your own by writing your own invoke-rc.d, update-rc.d and /etc/inittab ) |
| 04:50.18 | kevix | !rcconf |
| 04:50.18 | dpkg | it has been said that rcconf is a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out sysv-rc-conf ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 04:50.20 | chuckyp | zebalin4, abiword works etc... |
| 04:50.24 | unix_infidel | you know what nevermind, ill just read and ask any questions i have here insteadof just bitching here everynight and getting lazy reading around. |
| 04:50.30 | [quidam] | why latest hald lacks of retain privileges parameter? |
| 04:50.46 | unix_infidel | and then just falling asleep b/c tis soo boring. |
| 04:50.54 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: you have plenty of ram and swap? |
| 04:50.55 | [quidam] | is there a way to use hald as root with no hal user? |
| 04:50.56 | dondelelcaro | [quidam]: hald? |
| 04:51.00 | dadexter | unix_infidel, short story: 'update-rc.d lighttpd defaults' adds it to the runlevels. 'update-rc.d -f lighttpd remove' removes it |
| 04:51.17 | unix_infidel | dadexter: cool. |
| 04:51.27 | dondelelcaro | oh right.. hal's daemon... |
| 04:51.27 | [quidam] | dondelelcaro, hardware abstraction layer daemon |
| 04:51.27 | unix_infidel | i think ubuntu tutorials will be a bit more understandable. |
| 04:51.33 | unix_infidel | ill google for those. |
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| 04:51.54 | dadexter | I prefer BSD-style inits... but you get used to sysv |
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| 04:52.05 | dadexter | anyway... I'm out, gnite |
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| 04:52.19 | [quidam] | dondelelcaro, if hald is runing, my devices go away from nautilus |
| 04:52.20 | unix_infidel | later. |
| 04:52.22 | chuckyp | zebalin4, yeah i've got 128megs of ram, and over 300megs of swap. I'm barely touching the swap |
| 04:52.23 | dadexter | *poof* |
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| 04:52.56 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: you should be fine. sarge usually never causes any problems. |
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| 04:53.32 | delmar | I'm about to look at installing a new workstation here for myself... i'm a big debian fan, but wondering if I should look at something different.. like a debian based distro like ubuntu (or perhaps another)... or just stick with standard debian... does anyone have any comments, suggestions, or recommendations in this regard? |
| 04:53.44 | ireverentReveren | debian. |
| 04:53.48 | ireverentReveren | Laughs Out Loud |
| 04:53.52 | delmar | heh |
| 04:53.52 | chuckyp | zebalin4, *usually* being a key word there. I've used other distro's I just wanted to try debian for the speed. Just need to get aorund this problem so the wife can use the laptop again. |
| 04:53.52 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: you might take this to: #openoffice.org and ask over there. |
| 04:53.53 | delmar | :) |
| 04:54.04 | chuckyp | zebalin4, Yeah thats prolly my next stop. |
| 04:54.07 | dondelelcaro | delmar: most (or at least a large number) of us use Debian on our own workstations... |
| 04:54.11 | unstable | #debian-oo is useful also. |
| 04:54.43 | chuckyp | Oh yeah and to everyone debian net install was pretty easy. And holly hell its so much faster than fedora which was previously installed. |
| 04:54.50 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: I run debian etch and kanotix (which is sid) so I'm not much help. (I also run oo2, not oo1.) |
| 04:54.52 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs #351935 |
| 04:54.55 | dpkg | DONE:#351935:I[hal] hald: unrecognized option `--retain-privileges'; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:18:01 UTC |
| 04:54.56 | dondelelcaro | [quidam]: ^^^ |
| 04:55.08 | dondelelcaro | [quidam]: you should really check the bts... |
| 04:55.09 | chuckyp | zebalin4, gotcha. |
| 04:55.14 | delmar | dondelelcaro, yeah im inclined to stick with what I know best and what is more a tried and proven .. happy.. distro for me.. .but I guess im lookin for something with some cool features, apps, toys, desktop stuff... which im sure stock debian can supply no worries...:) |
| 04:55.17 | unstable | delmar: ext3 will give you no hassles or troubles |
| 04:55.30 | delmar | unstable, not sure I believe you :P |
| 04:55.44 | delmar | unstable, but thats just an issue i have with your nick hehe :) |
| 04:55.53 | dondelelcaro | delmar: well, considering that we've got more than any derived distribution... |
| 04:56.06 | N0S3 | :) |
| 04:56.13 | delmar | unstable, im thinking i will stick with XFS as far as filesystems goes.. no matter what distro i get. XFS is tried and proven for me. |
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| 04:56.19 | [quidam] | dondelelcaro, ok, I'll do |
| 04:56.31 | VanacaErkan | Help is there an XML processor for Debian? |
| 04:56.45 | ireverentReveren | after hand editing my initrd.img i am now getting an error with XFS... which is odd, since I am not using XFS that i know of.. any idea where this error is coming from? |
| 04:56.46 | delmar | dondelelcaro, yep. i guess I just needed to hear it from someone... i best stick to a stock debian system rather than go for an offshoot. |
| 04:56.51 | unix_infidel | how would i go from debian sarge to debian unstable? |
| 04:56.59 | unix_infidel | just change sources and apt-get upgrade? |
| 04:57.03 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: yes. |
| 04:57.03 | kevix | VanacaErkan: many! |
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| 04:57.20 | unix_infidel | dondelelcaro: that's really what seperates the two/ |
| 04:57.32 | VanacaErkan | kevix, give me one pls |
| 04:57.39 | kevix | !xml |
| 04:57.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xml is eXtensible Markup Language, and more info can be found at Homepage: http://www.jclark.com/xml/expat.html or There are generally two types of xml parsers: validating and those checking well-formedness. A valid xml document is one that is well-formed, and also complies with SGML conventions. getting bastardised by linux, call the XML-Men ~.linux bleh, or , or s-expressions in drag |
| 04:57.52 | unix_infidel | honestly there has to be some extra configuration and scripts that the debian team must be puttin out. |
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| 04:58.09 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: eh? |
| 04:58.35 | delmar | anyone got a link to a good hotwo/wiki for LVM plz? thanks. |
| 04:58.39 | GoAuLd | One unified like the windows control panel right ? |
| 04:58.44 | unix_infidel | dondelelcaro: what specifically differentiates sid from sarge? |
| 04:58.50 | unix_infidel | it cant JUST be package versions?> |
| 04:58.53 | unstable | !tell delmar about lvm |
| 04:58.58 | delmar | unstable. taa |
| 04:59.00 | delmar | :P |
| 04:59.01 | unstable | delmar: /msg dpkg anything |
| 04:59.06 | unstable | !tell delmar about msgdpkg |
| 04:59.08 | unix_infidel | a simple sources list change and apt-get upgrade cant get me there? |
| 04:59.14 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: sure it will. |
| 04:59.23 | GoAuLd | !tellme about msgdpkg |
| 04:59.27 | ireverentReveren | unix_infidel thats the bueaty of debian! |
| 04:59.28 | unix_infidel | so the only difference is package versions. |
| 04:59.28 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: this is what we mean by seamless in-place upgrades |
| 04:59.30 | unstable | !tell GoAuLd about msgdpkg |
| 04:59.34 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: yes. |
| 04:59.36 | kevix | VanacaErkan: xsltproc, xalan, sablotron, openjade... |
| 04:59.50 | unstable | delmar / GoAuLd /msg dpkg hel |
| 04:59.52 | unstable | delmar / GoAuLd /msg dpkg help |
| 04:59.57 | unix_infidel | dondelelcaro: so what differentiates debian unstable and ubuntu stable |
| 04:59.59 | unix_infidel | ? |
| 05:00.04 | GoAuLd | ok |
| 05:00.06 | cheal | unix_infidel: it's a little bit different, but you don't want to do that if you have to ask anyway |
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| 05:00.08 | GoAuLd | thanks |
| 05:00.16 | Gnea | unix_infidel: different base |
| 05:00.17 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: ask #ubuntu; we don't keep track of what they're doing. |
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| 05:00.23 | unix_infidel | cheal: ? |
| 05:00.34 | Gnea | unix_infidel: debian and ubuntu use the same package management system, but not the same packages |
| 05:01.04 | cheal | unix_infidel: it would be insane to "upgrade" to unstable if you don't even know how to do it. unless you absolutely want to break your box |
| 05:01.21 | unix_infidel | cheal: why's that? |
| 05:01.30 | Gnea | unix_infidel: it'd be like trying to use SuSE rpm's on a Redhat Enterprise server |
| 05:01.33 | unix_infidel | upgrading to unstable seems as simple as chanigng a sources file and doing apt-get upgrade |
| 05:01.34 | VanacaErkan | kevix, thanx alot I got xalan |
| 05:01.39 | cheal | unix_infidel: unstable makes your box as the name advertises |
| 05:02.01 | kevix | VanacaErkan: 'apt-cache search xml processor' is how I got it. |
| 05:02.03 | unix_infidel | cheal: it honestly cant be that drastic, most peopel i talk to have no stability issues witu sid. |
| 05:02.12 | ireverentReveren | cheal of course debian "unstable" is still way more stable than windows "stable" |
| 05:02.13 | cheal | unix_infidel: actually, apt-get upgrade won't upgrade all your packages if you're upgrading from sarge |
| 05:02.19 | Gnea | unix_infidel: once you go unstable, you become responsible for helping fix any problems that you have along the way. |
| 05:02.20 | cheal | ireverentReveren: hah |
| 05:02.31 | unix_infidel | lol, unstable isnt supported here? |
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| 05:02.37 | unstable | unix_infidel: Do you use gnome or kde? |
| 05:02.42 | unix_infidel | unstable: flux. |
| 05:02.42 | [quidam] | dondelelcaro, it was only an advice or did you find something in the bts? |
| 05:02.43 | yonkeltron | is there a good OPML editor? i'm getting a big outline sent to me..... |
| 05:02.44 | unstable | unix_infidel: unstable is for developers, are you a developer? |
| 05:02.56 | dondelelcaro | [quidam]: I gave you the bug number even. |
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| 05:02.58 | ireverentReveren | cheal i am not kidding. My XP machine crashes more than my etch box |
| 05:02.59 | unix_infidel | unstable: no, i'm a person who likes slightly more recent packages. |
| 05:03.04 | kevix | unix_infidel: sid requires careful maintainace! stable does not. |
| 05:03.07 | unstable | unix_infidel: I would recommend unstable then, I use it with flux, and you should have literally no problems depending on what packages you use. |
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| 05:03.15 | cheal | ireverentReveren: etch!=unstable |
| 05:03.16 | Gnea | unix_infidel: debian is community-based, it's not some corporation that's guaranteeing food on the table. |
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| 05:03.20 | dondelelcaro | [quidam]: the advice was to check it in the first place next time, since it had already been reported and fixed by the time you had a problem |
| 05:03.34 | unstable | unix_infidel: Sometimes gnome/kde will break when there is a version upgrade, but fluxbox/xorg will likely have no problems. |
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| 05:03.44 | [quidam] | dondelelcaro, sorry, i didn't see it |
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| 05:03.54 | kevix | Caesar: are you a ghost! |
| 05:03.59 | chuckyp | zebalin4, May be a graphic driver problem. I just realized i'm using vesa drivers. |
| 05:04.04 | unix_infidel | well i've decided that using some of the outdated packages on sarge isnt an option, so unstable is pretty much what i'm going to be installing. |
| 05:04.06 | Caesar | kevix: something like that... |
| 05:04.14 | unix_infidel | as far as maintenence is concerned, what kind are we talking about |
| 05:04.14 | unix_infidel | ? |
| 05:04.16 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: I doubt it. |
| 05:04.24 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: if some of the packages are a problem, use backports of them. |
| 05:04.29 | cheal | unix_infidel: no release is supported here. this is a volunteer help channel. but clearly, if you're looking for trouble and decide to run unstable, it would be abusive to ask for help here when you get what you want |
| 05:04.32 | chuckyp | zebalin4, I found someone else with the same problem on the open office mailing list. |
| 05:04.41 | chuckyp | zebalin4, err debian list. |
| 05:04.45 | unix_infidel | cheal: i'm looking for a desktop OS ;P |
| 05:04.52 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: with sarge and vesa? |
| 05:05.03 | cheal | unix_infidel: why can't Debian stable or testing suit your needs? |
| 05:05.06 | unstable | How can I make a .rle file in debian? |
| 05:05.15 | unstable | Run Length Encoded bitmap image |
| 05:05.17 | unix_infidel | isnt testing even more "unstable" than sid? |
| 05:05.23 | cheal | unix_infidel: no |
| 05:05.25 | unstable | unix_infidel: no |
| 05:05.28 | cheal | !tell unix_infidel about releases |
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| 05:06.09 | unix_infidel | well tickle my cat and call her betsy-poo |
| 05:06.16 | unix_infidel | i guess testing is what i meant to say. |
| 05:06.24 | unix_infidel | ill just some backports from testing if i have to. |
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| 05:06.37 | unix_infidel | are testing net install isos not available? |
| 05:06.51 | Gnea | unix_infidel: but the best way to learn it IS to use it, so go ahead and upgrade and RTFM, then ask some constructive questions |
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| 05:07.26 | chuckyp | zebalin4, well the solution to this ladies problem which sounds like mine is to set an eniron variable for OO so now i'm trying to figure out how to set that. |
| 05:07.32 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: the d-i betas install testing. |
| 05:07.33 | unix_infidel | Gnea: i agree. |
| 05:07.34 | _daniel_ | is there a plugin to integrate galeon with xine ? |
| 05:07.40 | _daniel_ | or mozilla with xine ? |
| 05:07.54 | unix_infidel | dondelelcaro: d-i betas? |
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| 05:08.01 | chuckyp | zebalin4, suggestion was ... Try setting the environ variable SAL_DO_NOT_USE_INVERT50=true |
| 05:08.38 | [quidam] | _daniel_, mozplugger can integrate almost everything |
| 05:08.50 | kevix | chuckyp: export SOMEVARIABLE=XXX |
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| 05:09.38 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: do what kevix said and try it again. I doubt this is the problem, but what the hay. |
| 05:10.19 | [quidam] | _daniel_, and you can use kaffeine-mozilla; kaffeine uses libxine |
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| 05:10.53 | chealer9 | unix_infidel: in case I missed something, my connection skipped after you said "i guess testing is what i meant to say.". I was saying that testing is sufficiently reliable to be ran on a personal desktop as long as you have apt-listbugs |
| 05:11.12 | unix_infidel | chealer9: yea, sorry i misunderstood. |
| 05:11.24 | unix_infidel | now i'm just trying to find the correct iso to download but i cant find the netinstall iso for testing. |
| 05:11.29 | unstable | Anyone know a good place where I can get a free shell account for irssi/screen? |
| 05:11.50 | _daniel_ | [quidam], I dont see a kaffeine package ? |
| 05:11.56 | chealer9 | unix_infidel: your target is already on sarge? are you sure you don't want to dist-upgrade instead of reinstalling? |
| 05:12.02 | chuckyp | zebalin4, nah still hangs |
| 05:12.15 | unix_infidel | chealer9: nope, i have never done anything debian before. |
| 05:12.19 | chuckyp | zebalin4, but there are a lot of people complaining of certain video cards and problems etc... |
| 05:12.28 | unix_infidel | nvm, found the testing netinstall isos :) |
| 05:12.31 | Wonker | lazy question: in which section for kernel build is AGP support... |
| 05:12.32 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: what java do you have? |
| 05:12.40 | unix_infidel | uhh, sever must be down. |
| 05:12.45 | kevix | unix_infidel: testing goes through stages of usefulness. after stable is release its really bumpy.... near the next release of stable,, it good. |
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| 05:13.03 | chealer9 | unix_infidel: OK. the daily etch ISOs are currently broken. try looking for the last weekly ISO |
| 05:13.15 | [quidam] | _daniel_, uh, sorry, it's not in debian oficially |
| 05:13.26 | chuckyp | zebalin4, dunno |
| 05:13.28 | unix_infidel | chealer9: broken? |
| 05:13.38 | _daniel_ | OK then mozplugger didnt work |
| 05:13.41 | chealer9 | unix_infidel: it won't install. |
| 05:13.42 | [quidam] | _daniel_, but you can install it anyway adding a non official repository |
| 05:14.04 | unix_infidel | chealer9: where would i find last weeks isos? |
| 05:14.07 | chuckyp | zebalin4, what ever it installed if it did by default. |
| 05:14.11 | _daniel_ | And download binaries right into my system that connect to the internet from other machines ? |
| 05:14.18 | _daniel_ | and that get linked to almos everything |
| 05:14.20 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: it's not important. just wondering. It's just that you are not getting past the splash screen and I wonder if this is a java problem. |
| 05:14.50 | unix_infidel | chealer9: i've been able to find the ones from feb24? |
| 05:14.53 | [quidam] | _daniel_, you can find the deb packages in deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main |
| 05:15.11 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: as root: updatedb (this will take a few minutes). Then do: locate java |
| 05:15.13 | unix_infidel | will that suffice / install correctly? |
| 05:15.24 | chealer9 | unix_infidel: the full CD weekly ISOs are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ unfortunately I don't know where netinst or business card weekly ISOs would be |
| 05:15.33 | chealer9 | unix_infidel: I don't think |
| 05:15.52 | unix_infidel | chealer9: i found net install isos. |
| 05:15.56 | unix_infidel | but i cant tell which one to use. |
| 05:16.14 | _daniel_ | [quidam], I triend marillat but every single packege is broken |
| 05:16.15 | unix_infidel | i have a choice b/w feb24-25, arch-latest, beta1, beta2 |
| 05:16.18 | _daniel_ | Like try mplayer |
| 05:16.19 | chealer9 | unix_infidel: if they date from past feb 22, I wouldn't trust them. |
| 05:16.23 | _daniel_ | Just fully broken |
| 05:16.39 | chealer9 | unix_infidel: where do you see beta2? |
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| 05:16.52 | unix_infidel | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/etch_d-i/beta2/ |
| 05:17.27 | unix_infidel | chealer9: that one is from feb23. |
| 05:17.47 | chealer9 | unix_infidel: ah...maybe those would work |
| 05:17.53 | unix_infidel | downloading |
| 05:17.58 | unix_infidel | .... |
| 05:18.12 | chealer9 | unix_infidel: I think you'll get an error about missing kernel modules if they're broken |
| 05:18.21 | unix_infidel | rawr. |
| 05:18.36 | hanaurimasume | I want to make it so a user on this machine can access another users files, how would I go about doing that? (is there a way without chmod?) |
| 05:18.45 | unix_infidel | anynone else know if the feb23 isos are good to go/ |
| 05:19.01 | kevix | anyone gotton xorg 7.0 to work. |
| 05:19.30 | yawg | should i be concerned if my really old laptop's debian install is taking a very long time on one step, i'm at the part where it just downloaded the security packages and it says, "Replacing available packages info, using /var/cache/apt//available." (the hard drive *is* making noise) |
| 05:19.45 | chuckyp | zebalin4, still updating when its done i'll let you know, need a smoke. |
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| 05:20.16 | kevix | yawg: what is the cpu/ram? |
| 05:20.53 | chuckyp | zebalin4, okay looks like libkjava is 1.0.0 as far as I can tell. |
| 05:21.35 | [quidam] | _daniel_, I see, dependencies in marillat ar a bit old |
| 05:22.00 | _daniel_ | what does ppl do |
| 05:22.04 | yawg | kevix: *really* slow and *very* small |
| 05:22.10 | yawg | so i'm still just waiting |
| 05:22.11 | [quidam] | _daniel_, I use the package, but I repackaged it with newer dependencies |
| 05:22.15 | yawg | as long as the hard drive is clicking |
| 05:22.26 | _daniel_ | hmm man I am just and inch to move to ubuntu |
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| 05:22.37 | yawg | my memory is so small i had to use woody install floppies |
| 05:22.37 | _daniel_ | Just hanging in debian but ......... |
| 05:22.43 | [quidam] | _daniel_, you can unpack it, edit the DEBIAN/control file and repack |
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| 05:22.57 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: as user: locate java | grep vm |
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| 05:23.44 | kevix | yawg: either answer someone reasoably or just dont answer it. we are here to help, not guess about your comptuer. |
| 05:23.47 | chuckyp | resulted in nothing |
| 05:23.55 | chuckyp | zebalin4, returned to prompt no output |
| 05:23.58 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: try .... grep jre |
| 05:24.10 | chuckyp | zebalin4, same |
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| 05:24.26 | zebalin4 | try locate jre |
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| 05:24.38 | chuckyp | zebalin4, same no output |
| 05:24.52 | yawg | well to be honest i don't know the exact cpu speed or memory size |
| 05:25.07 | yawg | the memory is smaller than 24mg |
| 05:25.09 | yawg | mb* |
| 05:25.25 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: as a user type: java and see if you get some messages. |
| 05:25.35 | yawg | so i'm going to guess it is 16mb |
| 05:25.41 | kevix | yawg: ok. that IS small. I run sarge on my laptop which is 166mhz and 32mb ram. |
| 05:25.45 | chuckyp | zebalin4, command not found |
| 05:26.04 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: I don't think you have a java runtime installed. |
| 05:26.20 | chuckyp | zebalin4, wouldn't it be a dependency of OO? |
| 05:26.32 | kevix | yawg: do you have access to any faster computers? |
| 05:26.33 | jbrimble | any of you guys members of SA? |
| 05:26.40 | beered | kismet completley and totaly crashed my computer. what log can I check to find out what's causing it? |
| 05:26.52 | chuckyp | beered, strace kismet |
| 05:26.56 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: I would think so... but I'm told there is supposed to be one built in to oo. |
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| 05:27.42 | beered | chuckyp: strace will dump a log somewhere? |
| 05:28.06 | yawg | kevix: they are all down |
| 05:28.07 | kevix | beered: redirect the output to a file |
| 05:28.08 | chuckyp | beered, strace should log anything kismet is trying to do |
| 05:28.26 | kevix | yawg: what does that mean? |
| 05:28.34 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: I'd install the Sun java from the unofficial repos. |
| 05:28.48 | [quidam] | is someone here using gnome in unstable? |
| 05:29.18 | dn4 | ok there is a company that has written software using debian as the OS of choice for their product. I lost my cd and now the company is not going to send me v1.0 which runs off debian but they want me to upgrade to a windows version andmakeme pay for the upgrade. I was wondering if this business is doing anything illegal and what rights do I have to get the v1.0 software cd? |
| 05:29.42 | unstable | dn4: no it's not doing anything illegal |
| 05:29.44 | chuckyp | zebalin4, whats the debian way to configure my display card? because I just ran into another issue. I think that may be the cause that I selected vesa instead of my s3 virge |
| 05:29.51 | unstable | dn4: Did you sign a contract? |
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| 05:30.02 | dn4 | unstable, nope |
| 05:30.05 | kevix | dn4: is there software GPL? or similar? |
| 05:30.18 | dn4 | kevix, yes |
| 05:30.39 | kevix | dn4: then you must be able to get the source code and then compile it yourslef. |
| 05:31.00 | dn4 | kevix, they deny that though for the EU |
| 05:31.02 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: I'd use the kde control panel |
| 05:31.17 | chuckyp | zebalin4, gotcha |
| 05:31.31 | kevix | dn4: the GPL afaik apply everwhere. |
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| 05:32.01 | coywolf | how to block Reverse-DNS missing IPs? |
| 05:32.04 | dn4 | kevix, let me find the liesence agreement and let you have brief overview |
| 05:32.06 | zinx | dn4: uhm, is the software itself GPL? |
| 05:32.07 | kevix | dn4: ask advice on gpl compliance at the fsf sight for europe. |
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| 05:32.37 | kevix | dn4: I'm not an expert, you should go directly to fsf. |
| 05:32.43 | zinx | dn4: it might help to know what software this is instead of completely avoiding mentioning that altogether |
| 05:32.44 | dn4 | kevix, website? |
| 05:32.59 | dn4 | this software is final scratch version1.0 |
| 05:33.01 | kevix | dn4: fsf.org |
| 05:34.00 | chuckyp | zebalin4, having trouble locating anything having to do with video card just monito stuff |
| 05:34.07 | dn4 | which is now unsupported and all of the information has been cleared off forums as well. The company even sent me a 1.5 cd and not a 1.0, they do not want 1.0 to get out it seems |
| 05:34.40 | kevix | dn4: go to the fsf.org site |
| 05:34.45 | zinx | dn4: they don't say how it's licensed, so it's probably not GPL, and so, they're probably not doing anything illegal. |
| 05:35.07 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: then you need to edit /etc/xorg.conf (but I'm not sure if sarge has that file or XFree86 I don't run sarge) |
| 05:35.27 | kevix | zebalin4: its /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 05:35.41 | yawg | oh, sorry |
| 05:35.43 | dn4 | zinx, So if there is something like xfree86 in their software and it is licensed as something else, is GPL void? |
| 05:35.46 | yawg | "down", all my computers broke |
| 05:35.54 | yawg | around the same time |
| 05:35.57 | yawg | i have hardware to order |
| 05:36.06 | yawg | until then, i have this really old laptop |
| 05:36.26 | kevix | yawg: ok. you may be better off using woody? |
| 05:36.39 | zinx | dn4: what? |
| 05:36.43 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that maybe debian is not right for your hardware. You might want to try mepis as it has a 2.4 kernel option. |
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| 05:37.59 | chuckyp | zebalin4, I was using 2.6 kernel on fedora just fine. |
| 05:38.08 | dn4 | zinx, if they used freesoftware for their product, don't they have to allow at least information or a place to download that exact same software no matter the lisence of the entire package? |
| 05:38.11 | kevix | dn4: if you create a work based upon a gpl'd work, it has to be gpl, too. |
| 05:38.15 | chuckyp | zebalin4, I'm on a laptop hence the crappy s3 virge video card |
| 05:38.20 | yawg | will woody let me use my wireless PC card? |
| 05:38.23 | zinx | dn4: There is no "entire package" |
| 05:38.29 | yawg | it has drivers in testing, not stable |
| 05:38.38 | zinx | dn4: it's a bunch of different pieces of software, with different licenses, and you have to obey all of them. |
| 05:38.40 | dn4 | kevix, so if they created a product based upon debian, this means? |
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| 05:38.48 | kevix | yawg: once you get woody installed, you can then upgrade... |
| 05:39.03 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: I would not try to run sarge on a laptop. Hardware is just too quirky on many laps for old sarge. |
| 05:39.11 | zinx | dn4: i.e., if they package their non-free software with debian, not modifying the debian software, they don't really have to give you a thing. |
| 05:39.12 | kevix | dn4: debian contains many different license. |
| 05:39.18 | OmegaNine | I have kind of a newb question. I moved from Fedora, so im used to yum, not apt-get. Is there a good repository for things like gmplayer, xine, firefox and what not? The normal one doesnt have any of them. And, is there a search function in apt-get like yum? |
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| 05:39.32 | mindframe | are there any advantages to using xfs over ext3? |
| 05:39.32 | unstable | !tell OmegaNine about marillat |
| 05:39.38 | unstable | !tell mindframe about xfs |
| 05:39.40 | unstable | !tell mindframe about ext3 |
| 05:39.43 | beered | When I type 'iwconfig' nothing happens. Terminal hangs indefinetly. How can I troubleshoot this? |
| 05:39.48 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: fedora is a slow dog. Try the live CD of mepis or kanotix... both debian based. |
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| 05:40.01 | yawg | yeah, that's the plan |
| 05:40.02 | kevix | dn4: but they made software that runs with debian gnu/linux. but even commerical software like photoshop can run on a debian system |
| 05:40.05 | zinx | dn4: now, if they modified some of the debian stuff, they'd probably have to give you the modifications (depending on how the particular app is modified) |
| 05:40.10 | beered | OmegaNine: apt-cache search <packet name>, or apt-get install xine to install. |
| 05:40.11 | yawg | it's still on this step tho, hard drive still clicking |
| 05:40.12 | zinx | dn4: but that's pretty f'n unlikely. |
| 05:40.19 | yawg | it's been on this one step for more than an hour now |
| 05:40.24 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: I think you are just spinning your wheels here trying to get a square peg in a round hole. sarge was designed for servers. |
| 05:40.39 | zinx | dn4: they control the license to their own software |
| 05:40.51 | yawg | "Replacing available packages info, using /var/cache/apt//available." |
| 05:41.14 | zinx | dn4: and can choose to distribute or not distribute it any way they want, unless you sign a contract with them, in which case they (and you) have to follow the terms of the contract |
| 05:41.16 | yawg | i think it is technically already installed, right now it's apt-get'ing for updates |
| 05:41.31 | yawg | the post install, update maybe |
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| 05:41.36 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: I run an old P2 IBM T-pad 600e with Mepis using a 2.4 kernel and it runs well. |
| 05:41.37 | dn4 | zinx, the say in the lisence you cannot do that |
| 05:42.17 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: the newest kanotix release also runs well on most laps. But sarge on a lap? I just don't know. |
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| 05:42.30 | kevix | yawg: It may take 1-5 hours. I'd say just put it in a corner somewhere and come back in an hour and check on it. |
| 05:42.42 | yawg | ok, phew, that's good news i suppose |
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| 05:43.01 | OmegaNine | Sweeeet! you guys rock! |
| 05:43.02 | yawg | just confirming that it *is* still doing something, and not just frozen with the hard drive still reading |
| 05:43.20 | kevix | yawg: how big is the swap partition? |
| 05:43.27 | yawg | i can't remember |
| 05:43.33 | kevix | yawg: I have a 10GB drive. |
| 05:43.50 | yawg | i think this hard drive is a few GBs |
| 05:44.07 | kevix | yawg: what maker is the computer? sony, acer ... |
| 05:44.14 | yawg | sorry i'm so ignorant about the specs on my computer |
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| 05:44.24 | yawg | kevix: toshiba portege 610ct |
| 05:44.35 | yawg | it's very nice, not crappy |
| 05:44.40 | zebalin4 | Is rule of thumb swap == ram x 2 but < 500 mb? |
| 05:44.42 | yawg | i love the portege series |
| 05:44.46 | kevix | yawg: cool! there is a mailing list for toshiba. I'm on it! |
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| 05:44.58 | kevix | yawg: I have a toshiba libretto! |
| 05:45.00 | yawg | i also have the tosiba portege m200 |
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| 05:45.07 | yawg | but it is broken |
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| 05:45.12 | zinx | dn4: can not do what? |
| 05:45.19 | romulo | hi, theres any way to change the bindings of ctrl+alt+f1-f6 to change to terminals? if i press those on my x they dont go to terminal, im using a notebook keyboard |
| 05:45.20 | zinx | dn4: distribute it? wouldn't surprise me :) |
| 05:45.27 | yawg | the video is really screwed up, i need to send it back for warranty repair |
| 05:45.37 | zebalin4 | New toshibas have some hardware that can only be controlled with windows, from what I hear. |
| 05:45.49 | yawg | yeah well my m200 is a tablet pc |
| 05:45.56 | yawg | and i don't feel like giving it linux |
| 05:45.58 | zinx | dn4: but fwiw you don't have the right to distribute it unless they grant it to you anyway |
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| 05:46.57 | kevix | yawg: read this site: http://linux.toshiba-dme.co.jp/linux |
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| 05:51.16 | chuckyp | So frustrating............ |
| 05:51.17 | dn4 | zinx, I am not going to distribute the software, I just want to know my legal rights at attaining the same software I bought instead of being forced to upgrade to a version that uses windows |
| 05:51.54 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: yes it is. I think you are not using the right tool for the job. |
| 05:52.09 | zinx | dn4: depends on your locale.. i'm not familiar with EU laws |
| 05:52.22 | zinx | dn4: should have made a backup copy! :D |
| 05:52.25 | dn4 | EU? I am in US |
| 05:52.33 | chuckyp | zebalin4, I know debain will run on this laptop. I've had knoppix running on it. As well as ubuntu. |
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| 05:52.35 | kevix | zinx: but if he went to fsf in EU, they would know! |
| 05:52.36 | dn4 | zinx, I am sending that back up copy to this computer right now |
| 05:52.55 | dn4 | the only problem is the backup copy does not install :( something wrong with the inital boot up from the cd |
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| 05:53.29 | zinx | kevix: ... possibly |
| 05:53.29 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: sure.... but they are optimized kernels with more modern libs than sarge comes with. If you want pure debian than upgrade to 'testing' and you might have much better luck with that. |
| 05:53.31 | kevix | dn4: what made you think it was free or open source software in the first place? |
| 05:53.39 | OmegaNine | I am using debian 3.1r1 with KDE 3.3.2, i just wanted to know if there was a way to make on panel transperent and the other not.(I know this is a KDE question, but no there is alive) |
| 05:54.01 | chuckyp | zebalin4, Is there a way to upgrade to testing without reinstalling. i.e. using apt? |
| 05:54.02 | dn4 | kevix, I am thinking the packages inside the software are free and the company has to provide those packages for me right? |
| 05:54.16 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: of course. |
| 05:54.18 | dn4 | all the GPL software right? |
| 05:54.22 | jetscreamer | you could d/l a cd image |
| 05:54.27 | jetscreamer | or a dvd image |
| 05:54.33 | jetscreamer | or buy one |
| 05:54.52 | kevix | dn4: but when did the company tell you this? |
| 05:55.11 | dn4 | kevix, never |
| 05:55.12 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: edit /etc/apt/sources.list (I think) and change all instances of 'stable' to 'testing' and then do apt-get dist-upgrade (and wait for an hour). |
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| 05:55.29 | chuckyp | zebalin4, Lets see if I can get this right. change the sources.list then apt-get update then apt-get upgrade |
| 05:55.34 | godmachine81 | anybody care to view my screenshot: http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=91183864644028fb756cb8&p=screen |
| 05:55.38 | kevix | dn4: I run photoshop on debian. is photoshop gpl or free software or debian software? |
| 05:55.38 | jetscreamer | dist-upgrade |
| 05:55.42 | chuckyp | zebalin4, lol ditto |
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| 05:56.08 | jetscreamer | !adobe |
| 05:56.09 | dpkg | i guess adobe is an array of lawyers. I could tell you what it means, but I'd have to Killu |
| 05:56.12 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: almost. apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade (note the 'dist') |
| 05:56.19 | stoned | I have a dual head setup with twinview. everytime I go into fullscreen, it is spanned across multiple monitors, and is very annoying. I have read nvidia documentation, and according to my understanding, if twinview is used as not one metamode but two seperate screens, how would one take a window and move it between screens? |
| 05:56.24 | dn4 | kevix, none of the above |
| 05:56.27 | chuckyp | zebalin4, gotcha let me try that. |
| 05:56.36 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: wait |
| 05:56.40 | chuckyp | yes |
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| 05:56.51 | pressureman | hello, has anyone run into grub error 17 on reiserfs with debian etch installer beta1, or daily mini.iso recently? |
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| 05:57.12 | kevix | dn4: so just because in runs on debian gnu/linux in no way MEANS its free software. |
| 05:57.16 | stoned | because the docs say it you cannot drag windows across the screens in seperate screens |
| 05:57.16 | dn4 | kevix, Are you given rights to the software in which photoshop uses to run on IE debian? |
| 05:57.36 | stoned | does this mean that if using Xinerama or sepeate screens in twinview, you can't move windows between displays? |
| 05:57.40 | beered | anyone: in wpa_supplicant.conf should I have ASCII or HEX psk key? |
| 05:57.41 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: it's really best to do this when X is not running. You want to shut down X and log into a terminal as root and do the apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 05:57.46 | stoned | I hope someone knows hehe |
| 05:57.47 | godmachine81 | stoned: do you have the orientation set ? |
| 05:57.58 | stoned | godmachine81, im sorry I not familiar with it |
| 05:58.04 | kevix | dn4: afaik adobe does not restrict where their software is run. |
| 05:58.18 | chuckyp | zebalin4, so init 3 then just change from stable to testing then apt-get update then apt-get dist_upgrade |
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| 05:58.31 | chuckyp | zebalin4, whoops for the _ |
| 05:58.36 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: You can do the edit and the update in X, but I'd close it down for the big dist-upgrade. It will take a long time. |
| 05:58.45 | godmachine81 | stoned: in your xorg.conf file you should see a "Twinvieworientation" option |
| 05:58.57 | chuckyp | zebalin4, I hear ya i'll log in irc on my other box while it runs |
| 05:59.06 | godmachine81 | there you can have Leftof, Rightof, Topof, Bottomof, or TwinView |
| 05:59.07 | stoned | godmachine81, do you know what I am asking? |
| 05:59.09 | chuckyp | brb |
| 05:59.09 | dn4 | kevix, So adobe does not have to tell you how their software runs on debian gnu/linux |
| 05:59.16 | godmachine81 | stoned: yes i do |
| 05:59.20 | zebalin4 | chuckyp: no, in debian I think it is init 2 but I'm not sure how to close out X. ANYONE here know? |
| 05:59.41 | godmachine81 | you have 2 screens.. and when u go fullscreen it seperates onto two screens instead of one.. |
| 05:59.46 | kevix | dn4: afaik they dont support it but do not stop you from running a legal copy. |
| 05:59.48 | gravity | zebalin4: ctrl-alt-backspace? |
| 05:59.52 | godmachine81 | you want 2 different desktops running concurrently right? |
| 05:59.55 | stoned | Option "TwinViewOrientation" "<relationship of head 1 to head 0>" |
| 06:00.01 | pressureman | referring to latest DWN issue, what exactly is broken in beta1 installer now? |
| 06:00.03 | stoned | i don't understnad the option apparantly |
| 06:00.05 | dn4 | kevix, Does adobe have to show the EU what software under the GNU/linux they used though? |
| 06:00.08 | zebalin4 | gravity: that will still bring up kdm |
| 06:00.18 | gravity | zebalin4: as root /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
| 06:00.27 | zebalin4 | gravity: I guess you can do a console login from there? |
| 06:00.31 | gravity | zebalin4: Yes |
| 06:00.44 | kevix | dn4: Adobe does not make free or open software, I use wine to run photoshop. |
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| 06:00.54 | stoned | godmachine81, right now I have twinview with metamodes, on two monitors, I want to make fullscreen and application maximize limited to one monitor, while still being able to drag windows across the displays |
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| 06:00.57 | godmachine81 | stoned: what type of orientation do you have clone, twinview, etc? |
| 06:01.04 | zebalin4 | gravity: will X (kdm) still be running? In Kanotix you can issue the init 3 command and it brings down X. Not in debian however. |
| 06:01.14 | deadcat | stoned: thats your wm's job |
| 06:01.28 | zebalin4 | gravity: in debian all the runlevels seem to have X in them. |
| 06:01.29 | godmachine81 | stoned: can i msg u my xorg.conf and you modify it from there |
| 06:01.32 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:01.32 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:01.43 | gravity | zebalin4: Yes |
| 06:01.51 | gravity | zebalin4: Debian lets you customize the runlevels to your liking |
| 06:02.04 | gravity | zebalin4: /msg dpkg nodm if you don't want to run one at startup |
| 06:02.21 | dn4 | kevix, well lets say FS uses GPL software within their software v1.0, don't they have to give the EU the same licensing of GPL for the software they used under the GPL, but not their software v1.0 ? |
| 06:02.24 | gravity | zebalin4: If you do the /etc/init.d/kdm stop, kdm should not be running at all |
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| 06:02.28 | zebalin4 | gravity: so how do you get a console login without X running? |
| 06:02.33 | gravity | zebalin4: Although it will upon reboot |
| 06:02.39 | gravity | zebalin4: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 06:02.43 | stoned | godmachine81, can you make it on pastebin? |
| 06:02.43 | zebalin4 | ok |
| 06:02.44 | gravity | Like I just told you |
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| 06:03.36 | godmachine81 | yea |
| 06:03.49 | godmachine81 | ill make it paste.debian |
| 06:04.02 | zebalin4 | gravity: I see. thanx |
| 06:04.03 | kevix | dn4: you seem confused about the basics of the GPL and free software. I would be REALLY useful to read about this. That way you would know it all and that would answer your questions much better. |
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| 06:05.01 | Phated | GPL2 or 3? :) |
| 06:05.19 | kevix | gravity: where would one go in irc for ask question about what is the gpl and gpl software? |
| 06:05.26 | zinx | 5, no, 3! |
| 06:05.31 | Phated | 5? |
| 06:05.46 | dn4 | 2 for now |
| 06:05.46 | zinx | Phated: holy grail reference :< |
| 06:05.47 | gravity | kevix: I have no idea. #fsf? #gnu? |
| 06:05.49 | godmachine81 | stoned: here ya go http://paste.debian.net/4799 |
| 06:05.51 | dn4 | 3 is just recent |
| 06:05.56 | gravity | kevix: Realistically he just needs to read. A lot. |
| 06:06.09 | kevix | gravity: I told him x-) |
| 06:06.10 | Terat0gen | software must be free! |
| 06:06.11 | Phated | zinx: Oh, so sorry, working on math ATM, mind was in the wrong place :) |
| 06:06.13 | gravity | Yeah, I know |
| 06:06.15 | dn4 | gravity, that I can do :) |
| 06:06.23 | Paivakil | kevix: #gnu-india |
| 06:06.31 | kevix | dn4: as gravity said: go to #fsf or #gnu |
| 06:06.38 | dn4 | already there |
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| 06:06.50 | dn4 | gravity, now they do |
| 06:06.50 | stoned | godmachine81, about the options in extentions |
| 06:06.58 | stoned | godmachine81, what do they do, render, damage, etc. |
| 06:07.09 | kevix | dn4: I could setup a meeting with RMS.... |
| 06:07.13 | gravity | dn4: Do you have a specific question about licensing? |
| 06:07.13 | [quidam] | is someone here using gnome in unstable, please? |
| 06:07.22 | gravity | [quidam]: What's your question? |
| 06:07.39 | Phated | Oh, hello, gravity :) |
| 06:07.41 | dn4 | kevix, RMS? |
| 06:07.42 | Phated | Go to bed! |
| 06:07.43 | gravity | Hi Phated |
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| 06:07.46 | deadcat | Phated: check this. new shit |
| 06:07.46 | gravity | heh |
| 06:07.48 | kevix | gravity: if he understood the basics, I'd say yes. but he doesn't yet! |
| 06:07.50 | Phated | deadcat: Bring it! |
| 06:07.55 | [quidam] | gravity, its about gnomevfs, i cannot see my fstab devices listed in nautilus |
| 06:07.56 | kevix | !rms |
| 06:07.56 | dpkg | i heard rms is Richard M. Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) and the GNU project, as well as the original author of the GNU C Compiler and GNU Emacs, one hell of a lisp coder. see fsf. or "Join us now and share the software, you'll be free hackers" |
| 06:07.59 | deadcat | hella nice. worked on it till 5am (= |
| 06:08.05 | stoned | godmachine81, so basically you have two seperate screen while using twinview, thats exactly what I was aksiing about. now tell me this, are you able to drag windows across the displays? |
| 06:08.09 | dn4 | kevix/gravity: I need to read more like you have both said so I can actually put a good question together |
| 06:08.10 | gravity | kevix: Ah, still there then. Ok, yeah. Then he really just needs to read a lot. |
| 06:08.14 | deadcat | Phated: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/thunar.png |
| 06:08.17 | Phated | Come on, screenie it already, I'm supposed to be working on math :) |
| 06:08.21 | pressureman | asking again, maybe someone will notice... has anyone had grub error 17 immediately after a fresh install recently? |
| 06:08.22 | deadcat | Phated: just the damn scrollbar (= hahahah |
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| 06:08.34 | gravity | [quidam]: Are they mounted? |
| 06:08.37 | deadcat | Phated: hahah. trust me. math wont get you no wwhere |
| 06:08.39 | gravity | [quidam]: And where are you looking? |
| 06:08.46 | godmachine81 | stoned: im really not sure what those two options do, but they are what works for me.. the came installed with my nvidia driver for x |
| 06:08.52 | Phated | deadcat: It'll get me to the next semester of school, don't be a prat. :) |
| 06:08.56 | [quidam] | gravity, in nautilus computer:/// |
| 06:09.03 | stoned | godmachine81, and about my other question? |
| 06:09.06 | Phated | Eh, not bad. I really have to try thunar. |
| 06:09.10 | gravity | [quidam]: Are they mounted? |
| 06:09.20 | Phated | ... why does it look so... Finder? |
| 06:09.21 | [quidam] | gravity, if I turn hald and dbus on, the devices are not listed |
| 06:09.23 | godmachine81 | stoned: yes you can just drag from your left (main) desktop to the right.. but normally the windows maximize to the left and are placed on the left |
| 06:09.34 | gravity | [quidam]: But are they mounted? |
| 06:09.39 | gravity | That's kinda important |
| 06:09.47 | deadcat | Phated: you can change the themes ofcourse. |
| 06:09.55 | stoned | godmachine81, but are those applications that are bieng maximized limited to the monitor they are on? |
| 06:09.58 | [quidam] | gravity, i have tried with devices mounted and unmounted |
| 06:10.05 | Phated | deadcat: Nono, I like Finder, it's the reason I'm going to try thunar ;) |
| 06:10.09 | godmachine81 | stoned: no |
| 06:10.10 | deadcat | Phated: http://debian.sshonly.sytes.net/i386/gtk2-engines-clearlooks_2.7.3-1_i386.deb here since debian is still on 2.6.7 |
| 06:10.11 | gravity | [quidam]: Ok, they obviously need to be mounted right now... |
| 06:10.23 | Phated | deadcat: Debian what? etch? sid? |
| 06:10.30 | deadcat | sid. |
| 06:10.43 | stoned | godmachine81, so what exactly are you helping me with hehe |
| 06:10.45 | Phated | Bah, fine, I'll be horrible and use that :) |
| 06:10.45 | [quidam] | gravity, if hald is running, then I can see usb devices, but not fstab devices |
| 06:10.53 | gravity | hrm, that's odd |
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| 06:11.00 | gravity | [quidam]: Sounds like a bug then |
| 06:11.03 | deadcat | stoned: like i said. its the wm's job to handle where the full screen take place |
| 06:11.04 | [quidam] | gravity, if hald is off, then it does the opposite |
| 06:11.06 | godmachine81 | stoned: exactly what we just discussed lol |
| 06:11.08 | beered | What is the meaning of this error message: |
| 06:11.09 | beered | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.19 | stoned | deadcat, oh, you did, must have missed it |
| 06:11.24 | kevix | [quidam]: do you have the gnome-volume-manager installed? |
| 06:11.26 | deadcat | Phated: now tell me if that scrollbar thing dont look good. (= |
| 06:11.29 | [quidam] | gravity, yep |
| 06:11.38 | Phated | deadcat: It's not too bad :) |
| 06:11.43 | godmachine81 | stoned: the window manager will make decisions based upon your x server configuration as well |
| 06:11.55 | deadcat | WHAT! i waited like few months for that (= |
| 06:11.55 | [quidam] | kevix, last version unstable |
| 06:11.56 | gravity | [quidam]: I'd file a bug against hal |
| 06:12.11 | gravity | [quidam]: I don't know if that's where the problem lies, but at least they can direct you to the right place |
| 06:12.19 | [quidam] | gravity, but can be a problem in gnomevfs instead |
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| 06:12.21 | stoned | godmachine81, oh man gogleouao;isdhg;lkasjdfl;kj |
| 06:12.27 | gravity | [quidam]: True. I don't know where it lies exactly. |
| 06:12.35 | [quidam] | gravity, ok |
| 06:12.35 | gravity | [quidam]: Take your pick |
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| 06:12.41 | godmachine81 | ? |
| 06:12.47 | deadcat | Phated: well actually i should have compiled it long ago. but i figured it was hard. and i selected library instead of binary during the dh_make |
| 06:12.48 | gravity | [quidam]: Feel free to file it against gnomevfs if you think that's better. I really don't know |
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| 06:12.59 | kevix | [quidam]: did you see any info in /var/log/messages about this device? |
| 06:12.59 | gravity | The whole gnomevfs thing is still a mystery to me |
| 06:13.05 | Phated | deadcat: Ah-hah. Not that I know what you're talking about :) |
| 06:13.15 | UziMaster | Which is the best ftpd, guys? |
| 06:13.19 | gravity | [quidam]: Sorry I can't be more help |
| 06:13.23 | deadcat | Phated: the gtk2 themes. |
| 06:13.28 | [quidam] | gravity, i was triing to find a gnome user in unstable branch, to test if it was just me |
| 06:13.31 | deadcat | UziMaster: try them all and figure out yourself. |
| 06:13.41 | gravity | [quidam]: Well, I haven't had any real troubles with it myself |
| 06:13.44 | deadcat | UziMaster: if you ask me they all suck |
| 06:13.44 | Phated | deadcat: Ah. |
| 06:13.48 | UziMaster | deadcat: sounds easy :D |
| 06:13.52 | stoned | godmachine81, right now when I maximize apps, they are limited to thier own monitor. I also want this behaviour for sdl/opengl/ while fullscreen. when I go fullscreen with those two, it is in the middle, split across both monitors, half on each side. its very annoying. I want to disable that and make opengl etc. behave like other X apps that are limited to thier respective displays |
| 06:13.57 | Phated | Pah, use scp! |
| 06:13.59 | [quidam] | gravity, can you send me a dpkg -l? |
| 06:14.00 | gravity | [quidam]: But my gnome-volume-manager isn't really working right now either |
| 06:14.07 | pressureman | UziMaster, try vsftpd |
| 06:14.13 | gravity | [quidam]: My g-v-m and hal are both out of date |
| 06:14.26 | UziMaster | I tried proftpd, it's poorly documented :( |
| 06:14.27 | pressureman | rock solid, fast, and secure |
| 06:14.29 | gravity | [quidam]: So that could be confounding things |
| 06:14.30 | deadcat | stoned: ITS THE FUCKING WM's job.. use a decent WM |
| 06:14.38 | godmachine81 | stoned: just try that x config |
| 06:14.38 | [quidam] | gravity, and they work in gnome 2.12? |
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| 06:14.41 | gravity | [quidam]: I think I'm mounting everything via fstab right now |
| 06:14.49 | Phated | I've used proftpd - WFM. |
| 06:14.50 | pressureman | UziMaster, proftpd is trying to be the apache of the ftp world. and introducing lots of security bugs in the process |
| 06:14.51 | godmachine81 | stoned: if it doesnt work then i dont know |
| 06:14.56 | deadcat | i guess its still sunday here! |
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| 06:14.57 | stoned | deadcat, name one |
| 06:14.58 | gravity | [quidam]: No, not right now |
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| 06:15.13 | deadcat | stoned: i use openbox and fullscreen works fine here. |
| 06:15.24 | Phated | Openbox is wonderful. |
| 06:15.24 | chuckyp | zebalin4, bout 500 packages to go. |
| 06:15.32 | [quidam] | gravity, my problem is that i'm packing a distro myself, and thats the only big bug I have... |
| 06:15.39 | godmachine81 | stoned: what wm are you currently using? |
| 06:15.44 | deadcat | Phated: hell ya. especially if you combine with that clearlooks theme (= |
| 06:15.46 | gravity | [quidam]: Yeah, I don't know what to tell you |
| 06:15.50 | stoned | deadcat, I use kde and eveything works fine, except for fullscreen opengl and fullscreen sdl, which I doubt would have anything to do with a WM, since the WM isn' t controlling the fullscreen aspect of those two |
| 06:15.50 | gravity | [quidam]: Sorry |
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| 06:15.56 | stoned | godmachine81, KDE 3.5 |
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| 06:15.59 | deadcat | stoned: well you on your own. |
| 06:16.02 | godmachine81 | ugh |
| 06:16.08 | gravity | Anyway, I'm off to bed |
| 06:16.09 | Phated | deadcat: Stop tempting me to run upstairs and start working on themes. |
| 06:16.14 | godmachine81 | stoned: have you tried gnome to see what happens? |
| 06:16.14 | gravity | [quidam]: Good luck |
| 06:16.17 | [quidam] | gravity, just a screeny http://trisquel.uvigo.es/files/images/Pantallazo2.png |
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| 06:16.24 | [quidam] | gravity, tnx |
| 06:16.34 | deadcat | Phated: dude... DO IT.. worth failing your math hw (= |
| 06:16.35 | concept10 | where do I start troubleshooting joystick problems? I want to see if I am receiving input. |
| 06:16.45 | stoned | godmachine81, I don't get into desktop wars, whatever fucking works, works. I use applications from both desktops |
| 06:16.53 | HeyJoe | could someone tell me how to comment out a line with vi. It won't let me start at beginning of line to add a # |
| 06:16.54 | stoned | phated is not a dude |
| 06:16.58 | deadcat | [quidam]: kick ass. |
| 06:17.06 | deadcat | stoned: does it matter? |
| 06:17.14 | stoned | yeh, not ot me, but she starts bitchin |
| 06:17.15 | stoned | :) |
| 06:17.26 | deadcat | stoned: at you maybe |
| 06:17.27 | [quidam] | deadcat, I know :P |
| 06:17.39 | deadcat | [quidam]: what did you do? (= |
| 06:17.40 | stoned | i've never called her dude, I merely observer in the channel, quitely |
| 06:18.00 | Phated | deadcat: So not! My math exam is tomorrow. |
| 06:18.05 | deadcat | [quidam]: you're making me giggling like a school girl . gegegege |
| 06:18.12 | deadcat | Phated: damn. |
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| 06:18.16 | [quidam] | deadcat, i'm making a live debian distro in spanish |
| 06:18.17 | kevix | Phated: 2+2= ? |
| 06:18.17 | stoned | but damn this twinview :/ |
| 06:18.29 | Phated | stoned: I'd bitch at others, but deadcat's given me wallpapers ;) |
| 06:18.30 | deadcat | [quidam]: and xgl is part of it? |
| 06:18.35 | deadcat | (= |
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| 06:18.48 | [quidam] | deadcat, yust for fun :) |
| 06:18.55 | deadcat | i have credibilities heheh |
| 06:19.04 | Dewi | how do people normally back up the contents of /etc/shadow? Is that information meaningful on another installation of debian or linux? |
| 06:19.10 | deadcat | [quidam]: and thats based on debian sid? |
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| 06:19.17 | deadcat | Dewi: cp |
| 06:19.36 | [quidam] | deadcat, is based on testing, with some sid things |
| 06:19.37 | Dewi | deadcat: but is it salted in any way? |
| 06:19.48 | [quidam] | deadcat, like gnome :( |
| 06:19.49 | stoned | too damn salty if ya ask me |
| 06:20.04 | deadcat | [quidam]: damn. and you compiled xgl and compiz for it? |
| 06:20.07 | kevix | Dewi: IIRC there are tools to un-salt /etc/shadow. |
| 06:20.16 | deadcat | Dewi: no. the salt is IN that file. |
| 06:20.19 | godmachine81 | stoned: i meant to try gnome to see if the same thing happens.. i wasnt saying that gnome was better.. but i do know how kde is made, its made for CDE lovers or windows9x lovers.. and most things on kde arent so advanced, because most kde users arent that advanced... not saying anything about anyone in particular, but that is just how it seems |
| 06:20.20 | Dewi | kevix: that would be handy for backup |
| 06:20.48 | [quidam] | deadcat, Im using a mixed solution now, half compiled by me, half from ubuntu |
| 06:20.56 | deadcat | ah. cool. |
| 06:20.57 | kevix | Dewi: but cp /etc/shadow /etc/shadow.bak also works. |
| 06:21.07 | deadcat | i think we're all waiting for gravity (= |
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| 06:21.35 | stoned | godmachine81, just because one perfers to use a simple and dumbed down desktop doesn't mean they don't know what they are doing. Its easy to use. I don't jack off to the terminal like your egotistical typical linux guru |
| 06:21.35 | kevix | [quidam]: but there are already other spanish debian distros. |
| 06:21.36 | [quidam] | deadcat, but I cannot release it with such a bug in gnome |
| 06:21.44 | cahoot | Dewi: I had the impression sarge made a backup in /var/backup by default |
| 06:21.48 | stoned | godmachine81, but yeah, thanks, its the same in xfce/gnome/fluxbox |
| 06:21.58 | Thanatermesis | setxkbmap trf (turkish) not works... where i can be posible to found a list with ALL posibilites ? |
| 06:22.04 | stoned | godmachine81, I can't get opengl/sdl fullscreen to go on one screen with twinview |
| 06:22.23 | Thanatermesis | where is the list of all X keymaps configuration ? |
| 06:22.27 | [quidam] | kevix, I know, but mine is for galician users |
| 06:22.46 | kevix | [quidam]: you should talk to jordi@debian.org ! |
| 06:22.52 | [quidam] | kevix, with all the programs in galician language |
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| 06:23.12 | [quidam] | kevix, why? |
| 06:23.15 | godmachine81 | stoned: did you ever try the xorg.conf i gave you and restart the x server by ctrl alt bkspc |
| 06:23.32 | [quidam] | kevix, about galician, distros... ? |
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| 06:23.42 | kevix | [quidam]: because he is one of the folks who wants software in catalan, galacia, valencia |
| 06:24.02 | deadcat | stoned: you mean you cant do this? sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/boo.jpg |
| 06:24.12 | [quidam] | kevix, ok, thanks, i'l do |
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| 06:24.20 | godmachine81 | deadcat: yea thats what he wants to do |
| 06:24.41 | deadcat | godmachine81: then changing his xorg.conf has nothing to do with.. what the fuck |
| 06:24.43 | godmachine81 | but for some reason people dont beleive that the windowmanager makes its decission based on the x config |
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| 06:24.48 | [quidam] | kevix, but we have a translation group here, so i'll tell the translator chief to tallk to him |
| 06:24.54 | stoned | you guys are not understanding me |
| 06:25.00 | deadcat | stoned: guess not |
| 06:25.01 | stoned | deadcat is trying hard to be rude though |
| 06:25.09 | stoned | read again |
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| 06:25.14 | stoned | and again and again until you understand |
| 06:25.15 | deadcat | stoned: no. |
| 06:25.36 | deadcat | i want to /ignore you too but i dont want to add you to my .irssi config file |
| 06:25.40 | godmachine81 | ok deadcat if it doesnt then why does the wm act different based on the decissions u set in xorg.conf |
| 06:25.41 | stoned | FULLSCREEN opengl/sdl is not limited to one dislplay. I want it to be. and that isn't a WM thing as far as I know |
| 06:25.46 | [quidam] | stoned, i understood you |
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| 06:25.58 | [quidam] | stoned, i have the same problem :( |
| 06:26.12 | stoned | I already have twinview setup with metamodes, I can even sto meta modes and use two seperate screens with twinview |
| 06:26.19 | godmachine81 | stoned: its not a wm thing |
| 06:26.24 | stoned | EXACTLY |
| 06:26.24 | kevix | [quidam]: check out http://oskuro.net/ and see what he is doing!!!!! |
| 06:26.34 | stoned | so deadcat, no offencse, but fuck off |
| 06:26.38 | godmachine81 | stoned: what orientation are you using ? |
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| 06:26.42 | deadcat | stoned: no you fuck off! |
| 06:26.44 | stoned | godmachine81, none |
| 06:26.49 | godmachine81 | ok u all calm down |
| 06:26.53 | [quidam] | lol |
| 06:26.56 | godmachine81 | stoned: you probably need to set the orientation |
| 06:27.01 | godmachine81 | then it might work |
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| 06:27.13 | godmachine81 | chances are we both use the same wm for gnome |
| 06:27.18 | godmachine81 | and my setup is just like he wants it |
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| 06:27.26 | godmachine81 | so the only other thing i modified was xorg.conf |
| 06:27.27 | stoned | godmachine81, but the orientation merely controls how sreens are displayed. either on left/right/to/bottom/or clone. how will that stop fullscren opengl from spaning across both |
| 06:27.34 | godmachine81 | im pretty sure that will fix it stoned |
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| 06:27.38 | [quidam] | stoned, it only happens with certain programs, dont' it? |
| 06:27.39 | stoned | ok bro |
| 06:27.44 | stoned | i can certiantly give it a shot |
| 06:27.47 | stoned | got nothing to lose |
| 06:27.55 | stoned | suggest me the orientation |
| 06:27.58 | godmachine81 | stoned: because you are using twinview without the orientation set.. |
| 06:27.59 | stoned | what should I setit ito |
| 06:28.05 | godmachine81 | rightof |
| 06:28.06 | [quidam] | stoned, what i do is running it windowed |
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| 06:28.26 | stoned | [quidam], defeats the purpose of fullscreen hehe |
| 06:28.41 | [quidam] | i'm using a orientation set, it don't matters |
| 06:28.47 | stoned | yeh |
| 06:28.54 | stoned | logically it wasn't making sense |
| 06:29.01 | stoned | as to why I was doubting godmachine81 |
| 06:29.17 | godmachine81 | stoned: there are other things in that xorg.conf i gave ya |
| 06:29.32 | godmachine81 | but i do know that the orientation does have to do with the placement of windows |
| 06:29.36 | concept10 | How do I find the device path of a joystick? dmesg tells me: /dev/input/event4 but apparently this is wrong (its USB) |
| 06:29.46 | stoned | godmachine81, I will definitely give it a shot |
| 06:29.47 | godmachine81 | with no option set it makes the desktop one large desktop |
| 06:29.48 | [quidam] | its a crap, but with some programs it works fullscreen in only one screen (cool) |
| 06:29.50 | stoned | but i can't kill X atm |
| 06:29.53 | stoned | will do it in a bit |
| 06:29.54 | deadcat | concept10: we dont know. we dont use joysticks |
| 06:30.05 | godmachine81 | with a rightof / leftof it tells which screen to make the default for applications... |
| 06:30.06 | concept10 | deadcat, heh |
| 06:30.09 | godmachine81 | twinview will mirror |
| 06:30.13 | stoned | deadcat, don't be useless |
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| 06:30.15 | godmachine81 | oops i mean clone |
| 06:30.17 | godmachine81 | not twinview |
| 06:30.19 | concept10 | deadcat, mice either, right? |
| 06:30.28 | Dewi | deadcat: where in /etc/shadow is the salt? |
| 06:30.41 | kevix | is someone cloning mice again x-) |
| 06:30.46 | beered | how can I convert ASCII to HEX? is there a utility for it? |
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| 06:30.53 | kevix | beered: od |
| 06:30.53 | Dewi | beered: hd? |
| 06:31.06 | stoned | od on hd |
| 06:31.07 | jm_ | concept10: read joystick.txt |
| 06:31.18 | godmachine81 | stoned: without the orientation set i think it just makes both displays one large desktop area with the panels extending accross both, right? |
| 06:31.24 | beered | kevix, Dewi: thanks. |
| 06:31.25 | deadcat | stoned: shut the fuck up |
| 06:31.26 | stoned | godmachine81, no |
| 06:31.32 | dn4 | kevix, ok I have sent stanton an email requested that they give me the sourcecode to all the files released under the GPL and LGPL |
| 06:31.32 | stoned | deadcat, welcome to ignore |
| 06:31.36 | deadcat | stoned: no. |
| 06:31.37 | concept10 | jm, how insightfull |
| 06:31.39 | deadcat | i told you already |
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| 06:31.54 | deadcat | stoned: but you can say whatever you want about/to me... i just reply |
| 06:32.03 | kevix | dn4: you should also consule #fsf or email someone on fsf.org |
| 06:32.10 | godmachine81 | deadcat ok why dont you make a suggestion? |
| 06:32.12 | jm_ | ahh another one of those lazy fuckers who thinks he's smart enough to operate computer hardware without reading anything |
| 06:32.27 | deadcat | godmachine81: i dont know. |
| 06:32.28 | streuner | haha |
| 06:32.37 | stoned | godmachine81, don't worry about him |
| 06:32.52 | godmachine81 | deadcat: i dont know what else it could be if its not xorg.conf... i dont know why you think the wm doesnt base its placement of windows upon that configuration.. the logic is that it has to... |
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| 06:33.02 | kevix | did folks get up on the wrong side of the bed today? didnt eat your wheaties? |
| 06:33.08 | dn4 | kevix, I will see what stanton says first, then ask someone @ fsf.org what to do next if they do not offer the sourcecode |
| 06:33.20 | concept10 | jm_, no, Ive been reading plently docs |
| 06:33.28 | deadcat | godmachine81: well maybe its the hardware then... shit! |
| 06:33.38 | kevix | dn4: good luck! that is why we use free software: it has freedom ! |
| 06:33.48 | dn4 | ^_^ |
| 06:33.49 | concept10 | Everyones a expert on computers these days |
| 06:33.58 | stoned | godmachine81, there is only one other mention of it in twinview. that is to use it with two seperate screen sections, which in turn disables dragging of windows across displays |
| 06:34.07 | [quidam] | i'm new here... funny place |
| 06:34.10 | jm_ | uhuh |
| 06:34.33 | kevix | !beer [quidam] |
| 06:34.34 | godmachine81 | stoned: no that is for running a script out to a tv or a screen |
| 06:34.54 | concept10 | Im actually starting to hate computers and shit |
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| 06:35.05 | godmachine81 | stoned: i dont know what else to tell you other than mess with xorg.conf.. mine works just like your wanting yours to |
| 06:35.08 | deadcat | [quidam]: freaks come out on sunday... although it might be monday where you at, but its still sunday in some countries (= |
| 06:35.22 | [quidam] | lol |
| 06:35.28 | Dewi | deadcat: really? can't be much left, surely |
| 06:35.29 | kevix | concept10: have you ever asked your computer its opinion of you x-) |
| 06:35.31 | stoned | http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8174/README/32bit_html/appendix-g.html - http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8174/README/32bit_html/appendix-p.html |
| 06:35.33 | godmachine81 | if i put a movie on the right screen and put it into fullscreen it only goes to screen 2 (right) while i can still use screen 1 for computing needs.. |
| 06:35.38 | [quidam] | its 7:35 inthe morning, here |
| 06:35.38 | Dewi | deadcat: oh... up to 5 hours. damn. |
| 06:35.46 | stoned | godmachine81, trust me, I am not talking out of my ass |
| 06:35.53 | nite613 | Is it possible to build a java package ala make-jpkg that is compatible with a sarge install? |
| 06:35.55 | Dewi | deadcat: almost home time monday here |
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| 06:36.12 | godmachine81 | stoned: is that not what your wanting to do? |
| 06:36.18 | stoned | godmachine81, in case you don't have time to read the twhole thing, just read the second link |
| 06:36.19 | beered | anybody know is WPA HEX password is supposed to have spaces between the chars? |
| 06:36.20 | godmachine81 | have one screen in full while the other is normal? |
| 06:36.23 | Dewi | nite613: run make-jpkg in sarge? |
| 06:36.25 | stoned | godmachine81, NO! |
| 06:36.27 | stoned | ffs |
| 06:36.29 | stoned | fuck it man |
| 06:36.33 | stoned | i'll just figure it out on my own |
| 06:36.39 | [quidam] | it means... 7 hour to fix a bug! and it's not even fixed!!!!! arghhhhhhhhhhhh :( |
| 06:36.41 | stoned | thanks for your help, very much appreciated |
| 06:36.44 | stoned | you took the time |
| 06:36.44 | stoned | :) |
| 06:36.46 | nite613 | Dewi: there is no java-package in sarge |
| 06:36.58 | Dewi | nite613: sure there is |
| 06:37.01 | godmachine81 | the opengl and stuff your talking about should work the same as when you enable a full screen movie |
| 06:37.02 | nite613 | really? |
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| 06:37.11 | Dewi | nite613: yeah, I use it |
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| 06:37.19 | kevix | beered: IIRC you should need to use hex. there should be a way to use decimal |
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| 06:37.31 | Asktool | Hola |
| 06:37.37 | beered | kevix: decimal for WPA? |
| 06:37.38 | Phated | If you use decimal, would it not fit into hex anyway? :) |
| 06:37.49 | beered | you mean ASCII? |
| 06:37.50 | kevix | beered: I remember folks saying it. |
| 06:37.58 | stoned | godmachine81, this happens in anything opengl, the vo for movies, or games, no matter what. full screen opengl no matter what, under ANY WM or DM will always span both displays |
| 06:38.05 | nite613 | Dewi: It's not in my tree, using the kernel.org mirror |
| 06:38.07 | concept10 | I walk into a mom/pop computer store the other day, and I said I need a pwr supply, what sizes do you have? The guy says "They make many sizes" while chatting with some bum about Windoze XP... So I said standard ATX, so he pulls this piece of shit pwr supply out (250w) . How much? $59 I walked the fuck out |
| 06:38.09 | kevix | beered: what too are you using? |
| 06:38.09 | Dewi | nite613: version 0.24 |
| 06:38.17 | beered | kevix: uh, don't beleive everything you hear in this chan :) |
| 06:38.23 | Dewi | nite613: what's the kernel.org mirror? |
| 06:38.29 | beered | kevix: WPA can be either in ASCII or HEX. |
| 06:38.48 | [quidam] | stoned, for me it is not allwais... quake runs in only one screen |
| 06:38.51 | Asktool | I hate 2 ask this, but: How do I assign a password to the mysql user ???? :D |
| 06:38.53 | kevix | beered: ok. so ascii, not decimal. my point being that you dont need hex. |
| 06:39.06 | Asktool | it's quite easy, but I forgot :D |
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| 06:39.18 | [quidam] | stoned, and vo for movies too |
| 06:39.31 | deadcat | Asktool: time to ask #mysql (= |
| 06:39.33 | [quidam] | stoned, I can paste you my config |
| 06:39.36 | deadcat | Asktool: sine we dont know |
| 06:39.39 | Dewi | nite613: oh, it might be in contrib |
| 06:39.41 | nite613 | Dewi: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge main in my sources.list. apt-get install java-package....E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 06:39.42 | Dewi | nite613: or non-free |
| 06:39.47 | kevix | Asktool: check out stuff in /usr/share/doc/mysql*/ |
| 06:39.50 | nite613 | aha! I bet it is |
| 06:39.53 | nite613 | silly me |
| 06:39.58 | Asktool | ok |
| 06:40.05 | stoned | [quidam], thats alright, i'll just buy two flat panels and place them together |
| 06:40.15 | godmachine81 | stoned: so i was right what i said |
| 06:40.17 | stoned | they are expensive though |
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| 06:40.23 | [quidam] | stoned, is what i have |
| 06:40.25 | Dewi | nite613: Section: contrib/misc |
| 06:40.30 | godmachine81 | if i put a movie on the right screen and put it into fullscreen it only goes to screen 2 (right) while i can still use screen 1 for computing needs.. |
| 06:40.39 | godmachine81 | thats what you want to do |
| 06:40.44 | godmachine81 | go full screen on the screen you enabled it on |
| 06:40.45 | stoned | godmachine81, I don't get into who wa s right or who was wrong, only the end result, i.e, weather the proble is fixed or not |
| 06:40.49 | godmachine81 | and it be fullscreen on it and only on it |
| 06:40.52 | godmachine81 | right? |
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| 06:41.26 | Dewi | anyone know where the salt is stored that is used with /etc/shadow? |
| 06:41.46 | stoned | godmachine81, if I use opengl or sdl as my video output and play a movie on right desktop and make it fullscreen, it will span both monitors. if I use x11 or xv VO, and then make it fullcreen on right monitor, it will stay on right monitor |
| 06:42.05 | stoned | I can't believe I am unalbe to make people understand the problem after halfn hour |
| 06:42.07 | stoned | whoo |
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| 06:42.19 | deadcat | Dewi: wasnt it the first few char in the passwd field? |
| 06:42.36 | godmachine81 | xv V0? |
| 06:42.44 | Dewi | deadcat: so everyone gets a different salt? I wonder how many chars it is.... |
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| 06:43.00 | deadcat | Dewi: i dont remember. its been a while. |
| 06:43.05 | stoned | the XV video output |
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| 06:43.46 | godmachine81 | stoned: can you not just try setting an orientation incase it is confusing the wm? |
| 06:43.57 | stoned | godmachine81, yes, like I said |
| 06:44.04 | deadcat | stoned: no offense. but he just got his dualmon working yesterday.. so your mileage is vary. |
| 06:44.14 | kevix | Dewi: man shadow |
| 06:44.19 | stoned | deadcat, yes, I picked up on it |
| 06:44.22 | Dewi | kevix: it doesn't seem to be in there |
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| 06:44.42 | braniff | how do i ---> get DNS resolution inside of the network i connect to by cisco's linux VPN client ?? i can ping my VPN's DNS server but my system won't use it |
| 06:44.44 | stoned | deadcat, also for some reason ignore isn't working. |
| 06:44.44 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.46 | uber | is the initrd formatted XFS? |
| 06:44.48 | Dewi | kevix: it basically says to look at crypt(3), which I don't have |
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| 06:45.12 | deadcat | stoned: i guess i cant be ignored (= hahahah |
| 06:45.31 | Phated | Heh. |
| 06:45.32 | [quidam] | it's a hard place here, too... |
| 06:45.37 | stoned | deadcat, hehe, its cool mate |
| 06:46.06 | deadcat | stoned: fyi, i made his xorg.conf ... (= |
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| 06:46.29 | stoned | clicked the wrong X |
| 06:46.57 | streuner | you guys are very clever :-) |
| 06:47.14 | deadcat | streuner: the wrong X? (= |
| 06:47.17 | Phated | braniff: Is it in resolv.conf? |
| 06:47.25 | godmachine81 | stoned: you didnt make mine you gave me a link to yours and i took mine and yours and made one that worked how i wanted it to |
| 06:47.34 | godmachine81 | deadcat i meant not stoned |
| 06:47.35 | godmachine81 | heh |
| 06:47.45 | peterS | !seen guerin |
| 06:47.46 | dpkg | guerin <n=lewis@65.99.196.149> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 3h 40m 16s ago, saying: 'the freaking train from dandong wasn't hun hao'. |
| 06:47.49 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:47.54 | stoned | godmachine81, xconf is trivial |
| 06:47.57 | braniff | Phated, it's first in the resolv.conf, right after the domain line |
| 06:48.01 | Phated | Ah. |
| 06:48.02 | peterS | has he left yet? |
| 06:48.05 | Phated | peterS: He has! |
| 06:48.06 | godmachine81 | stoned: dont do xconf |
| 06:48.11 | peterS | Phated: dang it, I missed him |
| 06:48.21 | Phated | peterS: You did. |
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| 06:48.28 | stoned | godmachine81, when one says xconf they mean the 'X configuration file' xfree/xorg whatever |
| 06:48.30 | godmachine81 | stoned: are you using xorg or xfree? |
| 06:49.00 | dsl_ | where can i dl a floppy img of something to use to boot to installl deb ? |
| 06:49.01 | uber | is my initrd any particular format? |
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| 06:49.11 | godmachine81 | stoned: i thought xconf mighta been one of those graphical xconfigurators lol |
| 06:49.25 | [quidam] | I need some help, please, I cannot see my devices in computer:/// in nautilus |
| 06:49.26 | dsl_ | or whats the image name is it one floppy .. |
| 06:49.26 | stoned | godmachine81, you are quire new to linux, yeah? |
| 06:49.28 | godmachine81 | like you i dont stay geeked out and know every single pkg that exists in the repos.. |
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| 06:49.36 | [quidam] | it works with hald not running, but if I start it, I can see only hotpluggable devices |
| 06:49.41 | godmachine81 | no im not new at all to linux |
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| 06:49.54 | godmachine81 | i just dont have to modify xconfigs often |
| 06:50.11 | stoned | godmachine81, just curious, no attakcs or nothing |
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| 06:50.15 | godmachine81 | lol |
| 06:50.16 | godmachine81 | its cool |
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| 06:51.03 | godmachine81 | stoned: i simply just thought there was a configuration app for x server that was ran with xconf.... |
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| 06:51.26 | deadcat | godmachine81: debian does it via dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:51.32 | jm_ | !drxx godmachine81 |
| 06:51.33 | dpkg | godmachine81: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:51.39 | stoned | godmachine81, no, but there used to be xf86config was a command line tool to generate an xfconf |
| 06:51.42 | Phated | Hurrah for dpkg :) |
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| 06:52.07 | godmachine81 | yea i know that stoned i use to have to use that sorry ass script |
| 06:52.32 | godmachine81 | deadcat: i didnt even realize i was in the debian channel |
| 06:52.53 | Phated | .. wha? |
| 06:52.54 | kevix | stoned: checkout dexconf |
| 06:52.59 | godmachine81 | deadcat: i was thinkin i was in nvidia room |
| 06:53.11 | stoned | kevix, i don't need to configure X, we were just talking |
| 06:53.46 | stoned | godmachine81, btw, you might want to disable dri module in Xconf, while using the nvidia driver |
| 06:54.05 | godmachine81 | stoned: why? |
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| 06:54.18 | stoned | godmachine81, dunno, but nvidia documents say so |
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| 06:54.33 | dsl_ | hey guys im havin a hell of a time findinn a boot floppy image to install deb. |
| 06:54.34 | [quidam] | nvidia don't use dri |
| 06:54.41 | dsl_ | can somooone gime hand |
| 06:54.47 | Boukensya | hey guys, I am having troubles with pure-ftpd... I need it to allow users to see .* files and be able to edit them |
| 06:54.56 | kevix | dsl_: what are you trying to do exactly... |
| 06:55.13 | Boukensya | I have read heaps of docs and done a bit of testing and can't get it to work |
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| 06:55.28 | jm_ | dsl_: read installation manual |
| 06:55.43 | stoned | lol |
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| 06:55.56 | Ozymandias | anyone here able to tell me why, if i edit my initrd, and reboot i get an error about a bad XFS system? is the initrd XFS? |
| 06:56.03 | stoned | dsl_: can somooone gime hand <-- thought he said head |
| 06:56.03 | stoned | lol |
| 06:56.12 | dsl_ | im just tryin to get debian installed but this laptop wont boot to cd jus flop |
| 06:56.26 | dsl_ | but ive got the deb netowrk install cd |
| 06:56.30 | Ozymandias | dsl_: use the floppy installer |
| 06:56.33 | kevix | Ozymandias: did you regenerate your initrd? |
| 06:56.33 | stoned | !d-i |
| 06:56.34 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:56.34 | Boukensya | its just hiding all the dot files |
| 06:56.38 | beered | Ozymandias: do you have a SCSII disk? |
| 06:56.42 | dsl_ | i cant find it guys |
| 06:56.47 | stoned | dsl check the link |
| 06:56.52 | stoned | get the floppy images |
| 06:57.01 | godmachine81 | stoned: i can be stubborn.. im not a document kinda person.. im the kinda person that will piss people off in IRC instead of reading the docs.. |
| 06:57.09 | dsl_ | ill se if icand find it |
| 06:57.25 | dsl_ | how many floppys aretehre ? |
| 06:57.26 | stoned | godmachine81, i enjoy reading technical documentation |
| 06:57.58 | dsl_ | ok awesom thanks |
| 06:58.02 | peterS | dsl_: you probably need 2, possibly 3 |
| 06:58.02 | stoned | dsl_, what is the current OS on the laptop |
| 06:58.08 | Ozymandias | kevix: i edited using the directions on this page:http://www.suspend2.net/FAQ-6.html#ss6.4 |
| 06:58.09 | dsl_ | dsl |
| 06:58.11 | streuner | !tell Thanatermesis about away |
| 06:58.16 | dsl_ | the latest dsl |
| 06:58.19 | kevix | godmachine81: that's like being blind and feeling around in a room full of knives.... |
| 06:58.20 | dsl_ | steoned |
| 06:58.20 | stoned | dsl_, damn small linux, installed on the HD? |
| 06:58.20 | Ozymandias | beered: nope, I dont |
| 06:58.26 | dsl_ | stoned yes |
| 06:58.35 | dsl_ | stoned im not diggin it |
| 06:58.42 | godmachine81 | stoned: i enjoy reading it too if its not in geek-language.. i cant stand reading 20 pages of BS though when it coul have been summed up into a paragraph... |
| 06:58.49 | deadcat | dsl_: and? |
| 06:58.55 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 06:59.02 | stoned | dsl_, you can download the netboot installer, put it in your /boot and modify your laptops /boot/grub/menu.lst to load that netboot kernel. that way you can install debian |
| 06:59.04 | dsl_ | and im a load it up with deb |
| 06:59.09 | godmachine81 | kevix: the only thing is linux wont cut ya ;) not yet anyway |
| 06:59.13 | dsl_ | stoned ok |
| 06:59.25 | dsl_ | netboot isntaller huh |
| 06:59.30 | dsl_ | ive got a wireles card |
| 06:59.33 | dsl_ | orinoco |
| 06:59.36 | deadcat | dsl_: it works |
| 07:00.02 | dsl_ | ill try to do it |
| 07:00.08 | deadcat | dsl_: get the business card install. 43MB, if you use the development version you dont even have to install a MTA |
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| 07:00.16 | kevix | godmachine81: I'm saying it helps to open your eyes once in a while by reading even if its confusing.... at least you can ask somewhat better quesions. |
| 07:00.19 | dsl_ | well |
| 07:00.25 | dsl_ | wait i found the netboot |
| 07:00.27 | stoned | dsl_, don't listen to deadcat |
| 07:00.27 | dsl_ | and um |
| 07:00.41 | dsl_ | yea i hear that im down wit hthe netboo |
| 07:00.46 | dsl_ | ok pay attention here |
| 07:00.51 | stoned | lol wtf |
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| 07:00.55 | yggdrasil | so |
| 07:00.55 | stoned | you tellin me to pay attention |
| 07:00.56 | stoned | lol |
| 07:00.56 | yggdrasil | ok |
| 07:01.04 | yggdrasil | no just for the nick change |
| 07:01.07 | stoned | ahh, a norse mythology fan |
| 07:01.09 | yggdrasil | but um |
| 07:01.11 | yggdrasil | yea |
| 07:01.15 | yggdrasil | that my nick |
| 07:01.22 | yggdrasil | just so you all recognize me |
| 07:01.23 | stoned | the tre of yggdrasil |
| 07:01.35 | yggdrasil | im the dumass that comes in here askin stupied ?? all the time |
| 07:01.38 | deadcat | ya. the annoying guy from the pass few days... |
| 07:01.44 | stoned | oh crap |
| 07:01.46 | yggdrasil | how do i make thisss work |
| 07:01.46 | kevix | stoned: so why did they name a linux distro that? |
| 07:01.48 | stoned | deadcat, you're welcome to this |
| 07:01.49 | stoned | i back off |
| 07:01.50 | yggdrasil | hah beat yo to it |
| 07:01.58 | deadcat | stoned: nah man. hes all yours. |
| 07:01.59 | yggdrasil | hahah |
| 07:02.05 | stoned | deadcat, oh hell no |
| 07:02.07 | yggdrasil | its cool |
| 07:02.09 | stoned | HEEEELLL no |
| 07:02.18 | yggdrasil | i shoulda just stayed under cover |
| 07:02.19 | deadcat | stoned: you started with him. now you end it (= |
| 07:02.19 | yggdrasil | :( |
| 07:02.32 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 07:02.32 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 07:02.45 | yggdrasil | thanks guys |
| 07:02.50 | stoned | yggdrasil, if you read the debian installer docs you will know EXACTLY what to do |
| 07:03.06 | yggdrasil | i do appreciate it and um... if you guys want free sat leme know |
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| 07:03.14 | streuner | !tell yggdrasil about laptop |
| 07:03.29 | stoned | yggdrasil, send me 500$ by paypal, fuck satelite |
| 07:03.58 | kevix | stoned: how about beer of the month club! |
| 07:03.58 | yggdrasil | hehe |
| 07:04.15 | yggdrasil | yae im down with tha ttoo |
| 07:04.17 | unstable | streuner: You know where I can get a free shell so I can idle on #debian forever? So when I turn off my laptop I stay connected, with irssi/screen. |
| 07:04.35 | yggdrasil | aright gents i wont bother no more for the evening |
| 07:04.46 | yggdrasil | i did tget that nvidid driver installed though |
| 07:04.57 | stoned | unstable, for a minumum fee of 500$ once, and for a lifetime you will recieve a shell on my system, which is always up |
| 07:05.00 | yggdrasil | so if anyone running it needs hel point them my way |
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| 07:05.14 | kevix | if anyone has xorg 7.0 runing let me know how. |
| 07:05.30 | stoned | unstable, if you want a free shell, you should check out freeshell.org |
| 07:05.40 | streuner | kevix: 7.0 debs are in experimental |
| 07:05.41 | stoned | dunno if they allow irc |
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| 07:06.06 | kevix | streuner: yes. I downloaded them all about 10 hours ago. |
| 07:06.35 | streuner | kevix: hm, you don't wanna tell us you have any problems, don't you? ;-) |
| 07:06.58 | streuner | !experimental |
| 07:06.58 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference |
| 07:07.35 | kevix | streuner: I spoke to #debian-devel about the incorrect or missing libgl1-mesa dependency |
| 07:08.44 | Ozymandias | if i want to edit my initrd, what commads do i use? |
| 07:08.46 | kevix | streuner: I know what experimental is.... I use it on ocassion. |
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| 07:09.18 | unstable | !tell Ozymandias about initrd |
| 07:09.21 | jm_ | Ozymandias: edit it why? |
| 07:09.43 | kevix | jm_: IIRC he is setting up software suspend2 |
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| 07:10.25 | Ozymandias | jm_: I need to add "echo>/proc/suspend2/do_resume" |
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| 07:10.32 | Willyan | please help i'm want use the wvdial but i can't connect, i check the log files and syslog says "could not get moutpoint for sysfs" i brazilian my english is not good |
| 07:10.45 | jm_ | Ozymandias: ahh mount it, edit things |
| 07:10.48 | peterS | Willyan: you might try #debian-br which is in portuguese |
| 07:10.54 | kevix | !br |
| 07:10.55 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 07:11.29 | Willyan | i know but no have people online now |
| 07:11.38 | peterS | Willyan: it may be a matter of "mkdir /sys; mount -t sysfs none /sys" |
| 07:11.40 | Ozymandias | jm_: any guide on that? the guide i was using seems to not be working |
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| 07:11.47 | kevix | Willyan: apt-get install wvdialconf |
| 07:11.53 | peterS | Willyan: I'm not sure what your problem is but it sounds like it could be the mkdir thing |
| 07:12.14 | liable | thata a strange error for wvdial to give. |
| 07:12.23 | Willyan | i go try the apt-get |
| 07:12.27 | kevix | Willyan: how did you install Debian Gnu/Linux? |
| 07:12.36 | liable | wvdialconf is part of wvdial |
| 07:12.51 | kevix | liable: ops. my bad. |
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| 07:13.09 | kevix | Willyan: you should have it. dont install anything yet. |
| 07:13.11 | liable | Willyan: are you sure that error is related to wvdial? |
| 07:13.29 | Willyan | i download the image iso from debian site.... |
| 07:13.38 | Willyan | yes |
| 07:14.27 | liable | Willyan: does wvdialconf run without errors? |
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| 07:15.20 | yggdrasil | stoned |
| 07:15.31 | yggdrasil | oh never mind |
| 07:15.35 | Willyan | no have problens in wvdial.conf only in logs... |
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| 07:15.44 | Willyan | no have problems in wvdial.conf only in logs... |
| 07:16.04 | sanxiyn | Ozymandias: Your initrd would be at /boot/initrd-* |
| 07:16.17 | sanxiyn | Ozymandias: It's gzipped cpio image (for me). |
| 07:16.28 | Ozymandias | sanxiyn: yeah, appears to be the same here.... |
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| 07:16.42 | Ozymandias | sanxiyn: i am still trying to edit it |
| 07:16.42 | liable | Willyan: did you try what peterS suggested? |
| 07:16.50 | kevix | Willyan: wvdialconf is a computer program. wvdial.conf is a file. |
| 07:16.56 | sanxiyn | Ozymandias: zcat it and pipe it to cpio -id |
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| 07:17.41 | Willyan | no have deb file of the wvdialconf |
| 07:17.46 | sanxiyn | Ozymandias: Namely, sudo zcat /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-1-686 | cpio -id |
| 07:18.00 | Ozymandias | sanxiyn: thank you... how would i recompress it? |
| 07:18.11 | sanxiyn | Ozymandias: With cpio -o, apparently... |
| 07:18.59 | kevix | Willyan: /usr/bin/wvdialconf |
| 07:19.20 | Willyan | only the config wizard on the installation of wvdial |
| 07:19.22 | sanxiyn | Ozymandias: I think it works like: find . | cpio -o |
| 07:19.34 | Ozymandias | sanxiyn: thank you very much |
| 07:19.35 | sanxiyn | That is, cpio -o gets the list of files from standard input. |
| 07:19.41 | kevix | Willyan: yes. and did it work. |
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| 07:19.59 | yggdrasil | hey guys so i copy the netboot.tar.gz to the boot dir and edit the .lst grub menu aptrly ? |
| 07:20.20 | yggdrasil | stoned so i copy the netboot.tar.gz to the boot dir and edit the .lst grub menu aptrly ? |
| 07:20.41 | Ozymandias | sanxiyn: i am rebooting, let me test this... thanks |
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| 07:22.01 | dominicano | dvm1981, how are you_? |
| 07:22.46 | jrf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.49 | jrf | oops |
| 07:22.52 | Willyan | it generates the wvdial.conf file that file is oks the problem it is in run the wvdial it can't get a ip therefore error "could not get moutpoint for sysfs" |
| 07:23.17 | liable | Willyan: did you try what peterS suggested? |
| 07:23.29 | kevix | Willyan: this means you have other problems that need to get fixed BEFORE you can use wvdial |
| 07:23.30 | Willyan | no |
| 07:23.35 | Willyan | repeat for me |
| 07:23.39 | peterS | Willyan: what I suggested before: mkdir /sys; mount -t sysfs none /sys |
| 07:23.54 | peterS | Willyan: if the 'mkdir' complains that /sys already exists, then this won't help |
| 07:24.10 | kevix | peterS: how could he not have a correct /etc/fstab with a debian install? |
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| 07:24.37 | peterS | kevix: this may or may not have anything to do with /etc/fstab. we shall see. |
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| 07:25.07 | yggdrasil | how do i uni tar something that gz? |
| 07:25.13 | peterS | Willyan: if mkdir says that /sys already exists, do this instead: echo >> /etc/fstab none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 |
| 07:25.15 | yggdrasil | jxf ? |
| 07:25.15 | kevix | peterS: what else mounts the sys file sytem. |
| 07:25.19 | peterS | yggdrasil: xzf |
| 07:25.23 | yggdrasil | thanks |
| 07:25.25 | peterS | kevix: one of the init scripts |
| 07:25.30 | nayyares | how can i install KDE with all dependencies using YUM? i mean, looking for the command that i will install KDE? |
| 07:25.31 | peterS | kevix: it doesn't need a fstab entry to do this |
| 07:25.46 | Willyan | i think the proplem it enter wvdial and pppd |
| 07:25.48 | kevix | peterS: oh. |
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| 07:25.58 | Paivakil | nayyares: install the `kde' metapackage |
| 07:26.13 | liable | yum? |
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| 07:26.21 | peterS | kevix: /etc/rcS.d/S02mountvirtfs |
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| 07:26.35 | kevix | peterS: ok. I recall seeing that. |
| 07:26.37 | Willyan | its oks but no work |
| 07:26.39 | nayyares | Paivakil, you mean kde-core? |
| 07:26.50 | Wolfensteijn | anyone here who has experience with the linux NTFS driver? |
| 07:26.54 | yggdrasil | im confusedon how to grub into the net installer |
| 07:26.57 | Paivakil | no; there is a package named `kde` |
| 07:26.58 | yggdrasil | can somone help me |
| 07:27.12 | Ozymandias | sanxiyn: thank you, that worked. |
| 07:27.25 | sanxiyn | Ozymandias: Nice to hear that! |
| 07:27.28 | peterS | Wolfensteijn: what kind of experience? just ask your question, we might or might not know something |
| 07:27.29 | kevix | Willyan: are you getting the same error message or a different one? |
| 07:27.30 | liable | yggdrasil: can you explain a little better what you mean? |
| 07:27.40 | Ozymandias | sanxiyn: i appreciate your help. |
| 07:27.40 | Willyan | the same |
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| 07:27.55 | Apokalyps | alguien tipea en español |
| 07:27.55 | yggdrasil | well ived dld the netboot.tar.gz |
| 07:28.04 | Ozymandias | !es |
| 07:28.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 07:28.09 | kevix | peterS: would this happen in root was RO? |
| 07:28.09 | peterS | Willyan: did you try the other thing? echo >> /etc/fstab none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 |
| 07:28.10 | Willyan | i try send a sys log file for you |
| 07:28.21 | peterS | kevix: no, but it could happen if /sys does not exist for some reason |
| 07:28.22 | Wolfensteijn | well, I'm just interested in knowing how good/bad it works, since I'm planning on dualbooting my laptop between a linux distro and winxp |
| 07:28.23 | liable | Willyan: what kernel do you have, and version of debian? |
| 07:28.30 | Wolfensteijn | and all partitions are ntfs atm |
| 07:28.32 | yggdrasil | do i untar it or d i just add boot blaeh.tar.gz into the grub menu? |
| 07:28.36 | Apokalyps | thanks Ozymandias |
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| 07:28.46 | Ozymandias | Apokalyps: de nada |
| 07:28.49 | Wolfensteijn | and not much options on changing it to fat since I have some files which exceed 4 gigs |
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| 07:28.57 | peterS | Wolfensteijn: don't try to *write* to ntfs partitions. reading works quite well. |
| 07:29.18 | yggdrasil | sad that we can write to ntfs |
| 07:29.21 | yggdrasil | prett as |
| 07:29.22 | yggdrasil | sad |
| 07:29.23 | peterS | Wolfensteijn: kernel 2.6.15 or so has gained a certain amount of support for writing to ntfs. but it's not perfect yet. |
| 07:29.28 | liable | yggdrasil: erm, is that a kernel image or what? normally the initrd is gz'd but the kernel is not. |
| 07:29.39 | peterS | Wolfensteijn: but debian stable does not ship kernel 2.6.15, that's much too new |
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| 07:30.00 | streuner | isn't there a kernel in backports? |
| 07:30.03 | sanxiyn | Wolfensteijn: NTFS reading worked for me, for ~1 year. |
| 07:30.05 | frank | maybe you can get it from bpo |
| 07:30.17 | Willyan | 2.4.27-2-386 and debian 3.1 sarge |
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| 07:30.27 | kevix | peterS: I did grep sysfs /etc/init.d/* and it seem to get in mountkernfs.sh. it says this is for 2.6 |
| 07:30.30 | peterS | streuner: could be. last I heard backports had 2.6.13 or 2.6.14. the patch to improve ntfs writing really is quite new, I think it's only in 2.6.15 |
| 07:30.35 | frank | for writing on ntfs you can give captive ntfs a try |
| 07:30.52 | yggdrasil | liable |
| 07:30.54 | peterS | kevix: mountkernfs, mountvirtfs, the name probably depends on the version of 'initscripts' |
| 07:31.00 | yggdrasil | liable i dont know |
| 07:31.02 | Boukensya | so some reason my pure-ftpd is hiding dot files even though I tell it not to |
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| 07:31.18 | yggdrasil | i downloded the net instal image and i was told i could link to it |
| 07:31.21 | peterS | Willyan: ohhhh. 2.4.27 does not have sysfs at all. I wonder why wvdial wants it. |
| 07:31.26 | Paivakil | nayyares: no; there is a package named `kde` |
| 07:31.29 | liable | yggdrasil: what are you actually trying to do, and can i have the exact page link where you got it. |
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| 07:31.49 | liable | yggdrasil: install debian from within another distro? |
| 07:31.57 | Willyan | wait a minute |
| 07:31.57 | Wolfensteijn | well, if only reading works good, and writing still not good enough, the reading should be enough, and it is mostly that I still have access to some files on my data partition |
| 07:31.58 | yggdrasil | liable im tryin to put the net install kernel image into my current grub boot list |
| 07:31.59 | frank | peterS: sysfs is a 2.6 feature |
| 07:32.08 | peterS | frank: ummm, isn't that what I just said? |
| 07:32.15 | yggdrasil | so ireboot and it goed into the deb net install. |
| 07:32.26 | kevix | frank: we finnally figures out that Willyan does not have 2.6 |
| 07:32.41 | liable | yggdrasil: sec, i will see if i can find the one you need |
| 07:32.59 | Willyan | pppd 2.4.3 startrd by root, uid 0 |
| 07:33.08 | Willyan | using interface ppp0 |
| 07:33.15 | liable | yggdrasil: you want the sarge one? |
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| 07:33.29 | yggdrasil | ./debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot |
| 07:33.33 | yggdrasil | sarge is fine |
| 07:33.48 | Willyan | connect:ppp0<--->/dev/ttysl0 |
| 07:33.59 | kevix | Willyan: yea. |
| 07:34.11 | Willyan | cold not get mountpoint for sysfs |
| 07:34.20 | Willyan | modem hangup |
| 07:34.21 | liable | yggdrasil: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/2.6/ get vmlinuz and initrd, you will need to supply the correct kernel options too. |
| 07:34.32 | Willyan | connection terminated |
| 07:34.36 | Willyan | exit |
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| 07:34.41 | kevix | Willyan: when did you install wvdial? |
| 07:34.43 | yggdrasil | okk lemme see |
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| 07:35.14 | liable | yggdrasil: something like root=/dev/ram0 blah, i cant remember atm |
| 07:35.28 | Willyan | cold not get mountpoint for sysfs this drive is not compatible withthe installed modem codec |
| 07:35.39 | Willyan | this appear on log file |
| 07:36.17 | stoned | yggdrasil, it is ALL WELL DOCUMENTED STEP BY STEP in the debian installer |
| 07:36.19 | stoned | ffs go read |
| 07:36.19 | stoned | man |
| 07:36.19 | Stevie | Which manual page do you want? |
| 07:36.30 | Willyan | but my modem work when i use kppp |
| 07:36.31 | kevix | Willyan: you problem is not wvdial. |
| 07:36.44 | kevix | Willyan: so use kppp!!!!!! |
| 07:37.13 | liable | yggdrasil: in the install guide.. http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
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| 07:38.28 | theone | hi, where is the file that holds the kde menu settings? |
| 07:38.28 | yggdrasil | ok im tryhing here |
| 07:38.28 | yggdrasil | sorry |
| 07:38.28 | Willyan | some idea...kppp sucks i hate this and i need know use wvdial because i want install linux in one slow machine |
| 07:39.09 | liable | Willyan: tried pon/poff? i guess you will still get the same error though as they all use pppd |
| 07:39.43 | kevix | Willyan: then use pppconfig. |
| 07:39.50 | theone | !tell ffs |
| 07:39.57 | Willyan | pon support the soft modem? |
| 07:40.00 | liable | !ffs |
| 07:40.00 | dpkg | hmm... ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 07:40.05 | Willyan | pon support the softmodem? |
| 07:40.17 | liable | Willyan: as i said, they all use pppd, so yes |
| 07:40.31 | SimonRaven | Willyan: you're not likely to get a lot of success with a s/w modem .... |
| 07:40.31 | yggdrasil | liable thank you thats all i need |
| 07:40.33 | kevix | liable: I think then issue is that he intalled a version of wvdial NOT for his system or kenrel. |
| 07:40.38 | yggdrasil | much thanks dood |
| 07:40.43 | liable | np |
| 07:40.58 | kevix | SimonRaven: he claims it works with kppp. |
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| 07:41.21 | SimonRaven | then he's lucky. s/w modems are crap |
| 07:41.57 | liable | mine works fine as long as its not through a pabx, but yeah, they do suck. |
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| 07:42.02 | Willyan | the softmodens no works very good i delayed one week to install this on debian |
| 07:42.22 | kevix | SimonRaven: my guess is the he d/l wvdial for a 2.6 system but he doesnot have 2.6 and he is getting errors about sysfs |
| 07:42.40 | SimonRaven | *sigh* |
| 07:42.42 | EdLin | Willyan: how did you get wvdial? apt-get or manually? |
| 07:42.51 | liable | there is no such thing as wvdial for 2.6. |
| 07:42.51 | theone | accidentally quitted. can anyne tell me where is the file for the kde menu settings? |
| 07:42.53 | Willyan | apt-get |
| 07:43.23 | SimonRaven | theone: what are you looking for exactly? that question doesn't make sense to me |
| 07:43.31 | yggdrasil | ok here goes |
| 07:43.33 | EdLin | Willyan: then it should work. Try pppconfig then pon instead |
| 07:43.36 | kevix | liable: wvdial uses wvstreams which may depend on sysfs which is in 2.6 |
| 07:44.20 | liable | kevix: you may be right, but if he doesnt have 2.6 it should have failed to install, unless he has it but is using 2.4 atm. |
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| 07:45.12 | kevix | liable: he is a newbie who probably d/l it with a browswer and used dpkg -i to install it x-) |
| 07:45.23 | theone | SimonRaven, doesn't make sense? I am looking for the file that holds the setting of the kde menu. this menu can be user-edited. the data must be held somewhere. i want to use the current setting for a new installation. is this clear? |
| 07:45.51 | liable | kevix: i doubt it, its got enough dpendancies to be annoying.. trust me, i know :) |
| 07:45.51 | Willyan | i go try it |
| 07:45.53 | kevix | theone: would it be in ~/.kde* |
| 07:46.09 | nimak | swap on a flash drive is a bad idea, right? |
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| 07:46.18 | theone | kevix, good tips. |
| 07:46.24 | SimonRaven | "setting of the kde menu" - what is this |
| 07:46.24 | SimonRaven | oh |
| 07:46.28 | SimonRaven | yes, in ~/.kde |
| 07:46.40 | kevix | liable: I'm at a loss to figuer out how he insatlled something for 2.6 on a 2.4 system. |
| 07:46.48 | theone | SimonRaven, u haven edit the kde menu before? |
| 07:47.01 | tarzeau | damn is there no better human understandable output generator of the smartctl -A DISK output? |
| 07:47.24 | SimonRaven | yes, but i don't usually bother |
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| 07:49.15 | kevix | theone: debian has a 'debian' menu that it maitains seperate from gnome/kde. |
| 07:49.28 | theone | kevix, SimonRaven, its not there. |
| 07:49.57 | EdLin | theone: apt-get install menu, then as user run update-menus after application installation |
| 07:50.00 | kevix | theone: check out: pdmenu |
| 07:50.00 | SaLoMoN | erm |
| 07:50.07 | SimonRaven | so look at the menu-method for it and find out where it does put it |
| 07:50.08 | nimak | is there any way to list all installed packages, sorted by size? |
| 07:50.12 | SimonRaven | /etc/menu-methods |
| 07:50.17 | SaLoMoN | matRix ere is advertising |
| 07:50.25 | SaLoMoN | [08:46:30] matRix http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 07:50.37 | Willyan | thak you for all that they had helped me |
| 07:50.46 | peterS | nimak: there's always a *way*, but it might involve a miniature shell script. I don't think there's any obvious way that doesn't involve scripting. |
| 07:50.55 | SaLoMoN | mentor ? debhelper ? |
| 07:50.57 | Willyan | thank's for all that they had helped me |
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| 07:50.58 | theone | EdLin, i have the menu for the new installation. i want to use the old, edited menu. |
| 07:51.14 | peterS | nimak: and no, I wouldn't swap to a flash drive if I were you |
| 07:51.16 | theone | its just like bookmark. |
| 07:51.29 | kevix | Willyan: bueno suerte |
| 07:51.45 | SaLoMoN | its a bot ;/ |
| 07:52.01 | SimonRaven | SaLoMoN: you didn't have to fucking post it here |
| 07:52.05 | Willyan | oh try speak spanish but in portuguese says boa sorte |
| 07:52.28 | SimonRaven | !ops matRix is a spam bot |
| 07:52.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: matRix is a spam bot |
| 07:53.13 | Willyan | my englis its not good but i try speak a little |
| 07:53.23 | Willyan | i do my best |
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| 07:54.03 | Supaplex | brazil? spanish? |
| 07:54.12 | Supaplex | !es |
| 07:54.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 07:54.23 | EdLin | Supaplex: Brazil speaks Puertugese |
| 07:54.29 | Supaplex | my bad |
| 07:54.30 | EdLin | !br |
| 07:54.30 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 07:54.42 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
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| 07:54.43 | Supaplex | thanks EdLin =) |
| 07:54.47 | kevix | Willyan: check this picture: http://debian.home.pipeline.com/debian-diagram-pt_BR.2.png |
| 07:55.42 | SimonRaven | thank you mr. op dude dondelelcaro |
| 07:55.47 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 07:55.59 | deadcat | you guys got spammed? |
| 07:56.11 | Supaplex | not I |
| 07:56.12 | kevix | SimonRaven: now he have a 'family' friendly #debian! |
| 07:56.12 | SaLoMoN | yeaah |
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| 07:56.17 | SaLoMoN | III |
| 07:56.18 | deadcat | me either. |
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| 07:56.20 | SimonRaven | no |
| 07:56.25 | SaLoMoN | in query |
| 07:56.32 | SaLoMoN | in the same second i joined |
| 07:56.43 | Supaplex | so SaLoMoN had 3 spams |
| 07:56.53 | SaLoMoN | why? |
| 07:57.03 | theone | i have this msg during boot-up: "Superblock last mount time is in the future."Superblock last write time is in the future." How to put it right? |
| 07:57.04 | Supaplex | you said I three times ;) |
| 07:57.04 | Willyan | in brazil the linux is very important the police the banks use our try use linux |
| 07:57.17 | SaLoMoN | :) |
| 07:57.24 | SimonRaven | it's a spam bot ... they want you to go see their garbage ... |
| 07:57.32 | kevix | Willyan: yes. many debian developers are there! |
| 07:57.41 | kevix | theone: your clock is not set. |
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| 07:57.50 | SimonRaven | theone: fix your clock |
| 07:58.08 | SimonRaven | is your VCR flashing 12:00? :P |
| 07:58.08 | theone | it is set correctly. |
| 07:58.08 | Supaplex | still good! |
| 07:58.13 | Supaplex | hahaha |
| 07:58.27 | Supaplex | dpkg: SimonRaven++ 12:00 flasher |
| 07:58.29 | kevix | theone: what does 'date' say? |
| 07:58.42 | SaLoMoN | the date ? |
| 07:59.04 | theone | kevix, today's date and time. |
| 07:59.25 | SimonRaven | what's hwclock say? |
| 07:59.28 | sanxiyn | theone: Copy /etc/localtime |
| 07:59.40 | Willyan | I go sleep now they are 5 hours of the morning in the brazil here i,m tired |
| 07:59.51 | Willyan | i'm * |
| 07:59.52 | theone | hwclock: no such command |
| 07:59.56 | SimonRaven | good night |
| 08:00.08 | sanxiyn | theone: If /etc/localtime is a symlink, replace it with a real one. |
| 08:00.13 | SimonRaven | in /sbin |
| 08:00.16 | Willyan | good morning in case |
| 08:00.19 | sanxiyn | !dbugs 342887 |
| 08:00.22 | dpkg | #342887:I[util-linux] util-linux: hwclock runs at the wrong point in the rcS.d sequence; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:48:02 UTC |
| 08:00.31 | sanxiyn | theone: Read that bug for details. |
| 08:00.53 | kevix | Willyan: check this picture: http://debian.home.pipeline.com/debian-diagram-pt_BR.2.png |
| 08:00.54 | Supaplex | rdate can't hurt either |
| 08:01.02 | sanxiyn | Supaplex: Huh? |
| 08:01.07 | Supaplex | !rdate |
| 08:01.13 | Supaplex | man rdate |
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| 08:01.21 | sanxiyn | Supaplex: No, as far as I can tell, theone's problem has nothing to do with setting the clock right. |
| 08:01.33 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 08:02.01 | Supaplex | I have an alternate plan |
| 08:02.03 | theone | sanxiyn, /etc/localtime is a symlink. |
| 08:02.17 | Supaplex | nite :-D |
| 08:02.20 | kevix | sanxiyn: the HD FS utils is reporting a date/time problem no? |
| 08:02.32 | sanxiyn | kevix: ? |
| 08:02.36 | sanxiyn | theone: Make it a copy. |
| 08:02.45 | sanxiyn | theone: As I said, read the bug for details. |
| 08:02.54 | theone | sanxiyn, sorry, don't get u. |
| 08:02.59 | EdLin | !u |
| 08:02.59 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 08:03.09 | theone | i mean about making a copy. |
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| 08:03.42 | yos87 | hi |
| 08:04.06 | sanxiyn | theone: If /etc/localtime symlinks to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Foo/Bar, you delete the symlink, and copy /usr/share/zoneinfo/Foo/Bar to /etc/localtime instead. |
| 08:04.36 | [quidam] | i'l try it again (sorry): can you help me? |
| 08:04.52 | [quidam] | I cannot see my fstab devices in nautilus it hald is running |
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| 08:05.08 | [quidam] | only hotplug devices are showed |
| 08:05.32 | [quidam] | but if I stop hald and dbus, then I can see fstab devices, but no hotplug ones |
| 08:05.39 | [quidam] | any advice? |
| 08:05.51 | [quidam] | im using gnome 2.12 in unstable |
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| 08:06.31 | [quidam] | im trying to pack a live distro, but cannot ship with such a bug |
| 08:06.45 | yos87 | how to install a dns server |
| 08:07.23 | theone | sanxiyn, thks. done the copying, will find out its effect only after re-boot. |
| 08:07.28 | peterS | yos87: do you know why you want a DNS server, yet? |
| 08:08.08 | [quidam] | peterS, thats a good question |
| 08:08.12 | [quidam] | lol |
| 08:08.23 | yos87 | peterS: dns server will translate the Domien Name to an Ip's |
| 08:08.30 | peterS | [quidam]: the other day he just wanted "server stuff" and didn't seem to know why |
| 08:08.37 | deadcat | /etc/security/times.conf doesnt seem to do anything for me. *;*;username;Al0000-0005 |
| 08:08.46 | yos87 | peterS: Dns server will request the root hints if he don't have the ip |
| 08:09.02 | yos87 | peterS: and the root hint's will be set by me |
| 08:09.05 | peterS | yos87: right. remember when I suggested the bind9 package but you didn't know what it was? it's a DNS server. |
| 08:09.15 | sep | yos87, install the bind9 package. and you should usualy run 2 dns servers for a domain |
| 08:09.17 | [quidam] | uh? |
| 08:09.37 | [quidam] | yos87, what do you whant to do? |
| 08:09.54 | yos87 | quidam: i say install dns server |
| 08:10.00 | theone | got this msg during boot-up: "Apache2: could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name". do i have to use a properly registered domain name for my machine? |
| 08:10.32 | [quidam] | theone, you have to configure your hostname |
| 08:10.35 | sep | theone, or give it the name in config |
| 08:10.41 | [quidam] | in /etc/hosts |
| 08:10.45 | yos87 | peterS: sep: I install bhind9, but I don't know how to use it, it was not in the link witch you gave to me |
| 08:11.01 | sep | /usr/share/doc/bind9 |
| 08:11.04 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:11.12 | theone | i have given the machine a name during base-config. |
| 08:11.14 | Shai-tan | http://www.snickerbars.com/ |
| 08:11.15 | peterS | yos87: configuration is in /etc/bind/. the files are reasonably well documented if you know how DNS works. if you don't, you may have to learn how it works before the configs make sense |
| 08:11.24 | [quidam] | yos87, to translate a domain name to a ip means...? |
| 08:12.23 | yos87 | quidam: Domien name system |
| 08:12.26 | theone | [quidam], sep, i have given the machine a name during base-config. |
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| 08:12.54 | [quidam] | yos87, I use "host domain" and it converts it to a ip |
| 08:12.56 | sanxiyn | theone: Does hostname --fqdn prints reasonable output? |
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| 08:13.12 | theone | sanxiyn, hang on a sec. |
| 08:13.39 | yos87 | quidam: so you are using your communication dns server, you don't have your own dns server |
| 08:13.46 | theone | sanxiyn, it says unknown host. |
| 08:14.15 | sanxiyn | theone: "hostname --fqdn"? |
| 08:14.20 | [quidam] | yos87, I know what dns means, i'm network administrator in a university, I whant to know exactly what you whant to do |
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| 08:14.27 | datn | hello |
| 08:14.30 | wolfy | external USB drives, can they be automounted when you plug them in? |
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| 08:14.57 | theone | sanxiyn, the exact msg is: "hostname: Unknown host" |
| 08:15.04 | yos87 | quidam: to make a private dns, I can know all the etered websites history |
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| 08:15.09 | jm_ | wolffc: of course |
| 08:15.22 | sanxiyn | theone: I see. Fix that to get rid of Apache message. |
| 08:15.28 | yos87 | quidam: in the other word, I want to know the websites names has been entered in the pc |
| 08:15.35 | theone | sanxiyn, how? |
| 08:15.39 | sanxiyn | theone: No idea. |
| 08:15.48 | theone | hahaha |
| 08:15.50 | Wolfensteijn | jm_> is it easy to do? |
| 08:15.55 | yos87 | quidam: if you have a way to monitor that, I will not install dns |
| 08:16.04 | [quidam] | yos87, you whant to know who is connecting to your server? |
| 08:16.19 | yos87 | quidam: no , not this |
| 08:16.36 | theone | sanxiyn, is fqdn an acronym, what does it stand for? |
| 08:16.39 | jm_ | Wolfensteijn: yes, using usbmount is the easiest, GNOME (and probably) should also do it |
| 08:16.39 | sanxiyn | I believe BIND can be configured to keep DNS query log |
| 08:16.46 | sanxiyn | theone: Fully Qualified Domain Name. |
| 08:16.46 | [quidam] | yos87, their dns names? |
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| 08:17.06 | sanxiyn | theone: i.e. what Apache message said, exactly. |
| 08:17.06 | noiesmo | is there currently any know issues with sendmail on debian stable?? |
| 08:17.08 | theone | sanxiyn, of course, i am being slow today. |
| 08:17.16 | Wolfensteijn | ok, I think I can figure it out when I have a linux distro installed :) |
| 08:17.19 | [quidam] | yos87, in a apache or what? |
| 08:17.26 | peterS | noiesmo: you should check http://bugs.debian.org/sendmail |
| 08:17.32 | yos87 | quidam: for example, the web browser will same the address you enter before in your address bar, but it will go soon |
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| 08:17.47 | sanxiyn | yos87: eh...? |
| 08:17.48 | yos87 | quidam: I want something keep it always |
| 08:18.23 | yos87 | quidam: you get me? |
| 08:18.31 | [quidam] | yos87, not much |
| 08:18.57 | [quidam] | yos87, you whant to give a name to a server that don't have one |
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| 08:19.08 | [quidam] | yos87, isn't it? |
| 08:19.14 | noiesmo | peterS, cheers will have a look |
| 08:19.17 | yos87 | quidam: no |
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| 08:19.36 | yos87 | quidam: do you know the address bar in the browser? |
| 08:19.41 | [quidam] | yos87, yep |
| 08:19.44 | hyperstream | [Samba] -- when ever i try to connect to a windows share i get: smb://<ip>/D unable to display location, and when ever i try to access this box from another locate i get a password dialog box. (even tho in my smb.conf >> http://pastebin.com/574554 i have public = yes and guest ok = yes) |
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| 08:20.04 | yos87 | quidadam: this will list you the current entered websites names |
| 08:20.12 | yos87 | quidadam: ONLY names |
| 08:20.23 | yos87 | quidadam: and it will go after |
| 08:20.38 | [quidam] | yos87, ahhhhhhhh you whant to write a log of the sites you visit? |
| 08:20.40 | yos87 | quidadam: I want a way to save the name |
| 08:20.52 | [quidam] | yos87, ok! |
| 08:20.56 | sanxiyn | yos87: Hm, that's an interesting problem. |
| 08:20.56 | yos87 | quidam: that is, PERFECT |
| 08:21.07 | noiesmo | peterS, got it sorted thanks the errors/warnings not the same as bugs cheers for the pointer |
| 08:21.11 | [quidam] | yos87, you dont need a dns server to do that! |
| 08:21.15 | yos87 | sanxiyn: don't watch us |
| 08:21.29 | yos87 | quidam: can you tell me how please |
| 08:21.30 | sanxiyn | [quidam]: I am curious too. How can I keep track of my browsing history. |
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| 08:21.53 | yos87 | yea, me too |
| 08:21.56 | [quidam] | yos87, you can use a lot of things to do that, but not a dns server (as far as I know) |
| 08:22.00 | chuckyp | Does anyone have a link tot he netinstall cd of the testing version? |
| 08:22.06 | Lewoco | Why is that any user can use smbmount, but you need to be root to use mount (even if you're just using it to mount an smb share)? |
| 08:22.09 | sanxiyn | As in, I can search what I browsed, can see statistics of my browsing behaviour, limit search to specified interval, etc. |
| 08:22.21 | yos87 | quidam: no body help me with this before |
| 08:22.26 | sanxiyn | Hm there should be del.icio.us like service to do that! |
| 08:22.27 | yos87 | quidam: how? |
| 08:22.29 | [quidam] | yos87, I administer a big router, and it logs all the dns's the users request |
| 08:22.45 | hyperstream | any idea's ? |
| 08:22.54 | jm_ | Lewoco: you don't need to be root to mount SMB shares |
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| 08:23.03 | [quidam] | yos87, I do it with snort + acidlab |
| 08:23.10 | sanxiyn | yos87: What do you mean by "don't watch us" |
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| 08:23.25 | yos87 | sanxiyn: just lathghing |
| 08:23.34 | theone | my system takes a long time (about 10 mins.) to change session. seems to be stuck in initializing system services. any suggestion? |
| 08:23.35 | yos87 | sanxiyn: sorry for trouble |
| 08:23.49 | [quidam] | yos87, it gives you a database of requests listed by time and ip of origin |
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| 08:24.17 | [quidam] | yos87, but could be too much for your purposes |
| 08:24.24 | yos87 | quidam: acidlab is a package names |
| 08:24.32 | [quidam] | yos87, is for a net of users or only for you? |
| 08:24.53 | sanxiyn | [quidam]: Hm, then how can one search one's browsing history? |
| 08:24.57 | yos87 | quidam: only for me |
| 08:24.59 | Lewoco | jm_: Well how do you explain the following? harold@chdevel:~$ umount hw-randd1/work umount: /home/harold/hw-randd1/work is not in the fstab (and you are not root) |
| 08:25.09 | sep | yos87, run dnsmasq with the log-queries option. it will log the dns queries to syslog |
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| 08:25.26 | sanxiyn | That is, I want something like Google (with Google Cache!) but only limited to, say, sites I visited last month. |
| 08:25.26 | Lewoco | jm_: but if I use smbumount hw-randd1/work it unmounts it just fine. |
| 08:25.36 | jm_ | Lewoco: yes, that happens if you're using mount/umount, there's a reason why I specifically mentioned SMB mounts |
| 08:25.47 | jm_ | Lewoco: good observation |
| 08:26.14 | [quidam] | sandman, in my sistem, yo can track every ip requests |
| 08:26.37 | yos87 | system |
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| 08:26.50 | [quidam] | sandman, it means you can know what visits every pc |
| 08:26.57 | yos87 | quidam: I didn't get your way to do that |
| 08:26.58 | [quidam] | sorry, i'm spanish |
| 08:27.05 | yos87 | happen |
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| 08:27.42 | datn | exit |
| 08:27.49 | chuckyp | Can someone provide the link for the net install iso for etch? |
| 08:28.07 | sep | chuckyp, thebeta1 installer is broken use the dailybuilds |
| 08:28.09 | yos87 | quidam: are you busy |
| 08:28.14 | [quidam] | yos87, what you whant to track, your browser, or a net of users traffic? |
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| 08:28.23 | chuckyp | sep, what about beta2 installer? |
| 08:28.27 | yos87 | quidam: my browser only |
| 08:28.37 | yos87 | I have single pc only |
| 08:28.40 | [quidam] | yos87, I see... |
| 08:28.46 | sep | chuckyp, isnt that the daily builds :) |
| 08:28.52 | chuckyp | sep, I'm a little confused here as to whats broken and what isn't. |
| 08:29.03 | [quidam] | yos87, and why dont you set up your browser to retain that data? |
| 08:29.04 | jm_ | chuckyp: read DWN to learn more about it |
| 08:29.30 | sep | chuckyp, http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2006/08/ |
| 08:29.36 | liable | chuckyp: do you actually need to use the etch one? |
| 08:29.56 | yos87 | quidam: what ever, it will not keep for ever, and it's not exportable, and I will format oneday |
| 08:30.29 | chuckyp | liable, I just wan tot install testing version |
| 08:30.46 | sep | chuckyp, dist-upgrade from sarge :) |
| 08:30.47 | liable | chuckyp: so install sarge and upgrade. |
| 08:30.49 | chuckyp | sep, So just use the mini.iso then? |
| 08:31.00 | yos87 | quidam: In what OS are you manage your network |
| 08:31.01 | chuckyp | sep, I tried that and it broke.\ |
| 08:31.19 | sanxiyn | yos87: I want to see my browsing history across machines. |
| 08:31.23 | epsilon | that's why it's called "testing" |
| 08:31.26 | sep | chuckyp, i did that the weekend and it worked for me |
| 08:31.37 | sanxiyn | yos87: Say, if I browsed some site in some internet cafe, I should be able to see that on my desktop or laptop. |
| 08:31.48 | sanxiyn | That'd be useful. |
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| 08:31.57 | [quidam] | yos87, debian, of course |
| 08:31.58 | chuckyp | sep, well it broke for me. My hardware is not working properly in sarge. hence why i'm trying to install etch |
| 08:32.09 | sanxiyn | Also, you usually don't want to keep browsing history of multiple months with browser's default mechanism... |
| 08:32.24 | sep | chuckyp, i would rahter have installed a newer kernel from backports on sarge |
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| 08:32.39 | chuckyp | sep, but I can't install etch because the netinstall is broken. I'm just wondering which iso to download thats all. There are two identicall iso's under the daily builds and one of them doesn't work. |
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| 08:32.53 | sanxiyn | [quidam]: Also, Firefox's history.dat file format is simple shit. |
| 08:33.09 | [quidam] | i know |
| 08:33.14 | chuckyp | sep, What is this mini.iso? |
| 08:33.35 | [quidam] | sanxiyn, but I use bookmarks to tho that job |
| 08:33.36 | epsilon | chuckyp: did you take current sarge netinstall? |
| 08:33.38 | sanxiyn | Anyone who invented that mork format should be punished to extreme. |
| 08:33.44 | yos87 | sanxiyn: it's not readable] |
| 08:33.50 | sanxiyn | yos87: I know I know. |
| 08:34.14 | sep | chuckyp, a daily built netinstaller (if you are talking about the mini.iso in the link from DWN) |
| 08:34.16 | chuckyp | epsilon, Yes I have the sarge current netinstall and that detects my net card and works; however, its so f'd on my hardware than I can't upgrade to testing. |
| 08:34.21 | [quidam] | why do you whant to keep _all_ that data? |
| 08:34.34 | epsilon | f'd? |
| 08:34.50 | [quidam] | I have my bookmarks online in my server |
| 08:34.54 | chuckyp | fubar'd |
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| 08:35.18 | sanxiyn | [quidam]: In my case, I want to find documents I remember browsed once upon a time and didn't bookmark. |
| 08:35.36 | sanxiyn | Or, bookmark grows quickly unmanagable. |
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| 08:35.54 | epsilon | chuckyp: don't understand, is your hardware working in sarge? |
| 08:36.01 | jm_ | sanxiyn: something like wwwoffle? |
| 08:36.03 | yos87 | all what are you talking in not perfect way |
| 08:36.04 | chuckyp | epsilon, No |
| 08:36.14 | epsilon | chuckyp: and what's not working? |
| 08:36.22 | chuckyp | epsilon, at least to the point that I can't upgrade the kernel even. |
| 08:36.33 | yos87 | quidam: up to now I don't know what tools, what thing you are using to do that |
| 08:36.44 | epsilon | compile from scratch with source from kernel.org |
| 08:36.48 | sanxiyn | jm_: Caching proxy? |
| 08:36.58 | yos87 | browser option is poor |
| 08:37.00 | epsilon | I run one sarge box with 2.6.15.4, running fine |
| 08:37.07 | jm_ | sanxiyn: yes, but it also offers some additional features |
| 08:37.11 | chuckyp | epsilon, why would I do that rather than install etch which has 2.6.13 now which I know works? |
| 08:37.12 | sanxiyn | jm_: Hm, proxy server log certainly can be used that way, I guess... |
| 08:37.25 | chuckyp | I'm going to lose it. |
| 08:37.47 | jm_ | chuckyp: there is Sarge installer with 2.6.15 |
| 08:37.54 | sanxiyn | jm_: Basically, I want to analyze and search my browsing behaviour. Maybe, like, I visited python.org domain 100 times last month, 200 times this month, and for debian.org, etc. |
| 08:37.56 | sanxiyn | Like Webalizer. |
| 08:37.59 | epsilon | chuckyp: cause if it's only kernel issue, compiling own is faster than using testing |
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| 08:38.07 | sanxiyn | Hm, many uses anyway ;;; |
| 08:38.17 | sanxiyn | Or, archived sharable browsing history. |
| 08:38.22 | jm_ | sanxiyn: yeah I see your point, I would simply use squid and keep logfiles, far from ideal though |
| 08:38.27 | chuckyp | epsilon, you don't fully understand the problems i'm encountering its not an option. |
| 08:38.29 | yos87 | quidam: ? |
| 08:38.38 | [quidam] | sorry |
| 08:38.52 | yos87 | quidam: don' |
| 08:38.53 | epsilon | chuckyp: cause you don't say what's not running in sarge |
| 08:38.56 | [quidam] | I was searching a firefox extension to do the job |
| 08:38.59 | yos87 | t mind, you might be busy |
| 08:39.00 | sanxiyn | jm_: I guess it would be feasible to make Firefox extension to "record" history somewhere else. |
| 08:39.11 | [quidam] | i think you should search there |
| 08:39.19 | sanxiyn | jm_: That'd solve multiple location problem. (Like home and work.) |
| 08:39.31 | jm_ | sanxiyn: true, with an option to export and import it |
| 08:39.32 | [quidam] | my solution is a little _big_ for such a job |
| 08:39.38 | sanxiyn | Yes yes... |
| 08:39.44 | [quidam] | you need a router |
| 08:40.08 | yos87 | quidam: it's for me? |
| 08:40.14 | [quidam] | using a squid is another solution, yes |
| 08:40.25 | [quidam] | maybe easier than mine |
| 08:41.03 | sanxiyn | yos87: I don't think there's quick and easy solution to that problem :( |
| 08:41.29 | yos87 | sanxiyn: is it bigger then making a dns |
| 08:41.59 | [quidam] | but bind dont stores url info in the logs |
| 08:42.14 | [quidam] | a dns server is not the solution, anyway |
| 08:42.51 | yos87 | why, you cannot see the websites through dns? |
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| 08:43.09 | yos87 | it work to translate the name to ip's |
| 08:43.17 | yos87 | can't we ignore the ip's |
| 08:43.20 | sep | yos87, i told you earlier with dnsmasq and log-queries you can see all the namelookups in syslog |
| 08:43.44 | sanxiyn | yos87: You can log IPs you visit with DNS, you can't log URLs you visit with DNS. |
| 08:44.04 | sanxiyn | And the later is more useful, I think. |
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| 08:44.35 | sep | yos87, ofcouse wou wont be able to see what aplications do the name resolving but you will see the name |
| 08:45.07 | [quidam] | but with a ip you dont have the full data |
| 08:45.12 | yos87 | sep: where shell I write dnsmasq |
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| 08:45.28 | [quidam] | you need the full url |
| 08:45.28 | sep | yos87, you don't it's a package you install and configure the usual way |
| 08:45.38 | sep | yos87, but as it's said. you wont get the url only the host |
| 08:46.00 | liable | chuckyp: they dont really like tech questions there, but try #debian-boot |
| 08:46.02 | sep | how useful is it to see you was on groups.yahoo.com .. without the whole path :) |
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| 08:46.19 | liable | chuckyp: they should be able to tell you a working iso |
| 08:46.37 | sep | chuckyp, if you have issues with too new hardware for sarge. you can use the unofficial 2.6.15 installer |
| 08:46.40 | yos87 | sep; host mean nothing after .com. for example |
| 08:46.50 | sep | yos87, yes ofcouse |
| 08:46.59 | yos87 | it might be enogh if we have no other sulution |
| 08:47.18 | sep | yos87, the full solution is to use a proxy like squid or similar |
| 08:47.41 | amee2k | i keep getting problems with locks on /dev/dsp. what can i use to allow multiple programs play audio? |
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| 08:48.00 | liable | !dmix |
| 08:48.00 | dpkg | i guess dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 08:48.00 | Coweater | amee2k: a sound daemon, arts, esd, etc. |
| 08:48.05 | sep | amee2k, a sound daemon... and there are too many to choose from |
| 08:48.21 | amee2k | ty |
| 08:48.38 | yos87 | sep: I install squid, what next |
| 08:48.50 | sep | yos87, you read the docs and configure to your needs |
| 08:48.56 | yos87 | sep: /usr/share/doc/squid? |
| 08:49.03 | [quidam] | best solution is squid + calamaris, I think |
| 08:49.21 | sep | yos87, is a good place to start. follow it up with googles queries |
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| 08:49.43 | yos87 | sep: what the keywork for that in google |
| 08:49.47 | [quidam] | i use it in a server, but i think there is not good solution for personal use |
| 08:49.52 | liable | with tartare sauce, of course |
| 08:50.07 | [quidam] | lol |
| 08:50.19 | sep | yos87, you wont know what to search for untill you have a problem with the config then you should search for squid + your problem |
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| 08:50.36 | [quidam] | calamaris is a web log analizer for squid |
| 08:50.38 | yos87 | sep: ok |
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| 08:50.58 | krummie | are there debian kernels supporting areca raid controllers? |
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| 08:52.01 | datn | hi guys |
| 08:52.14 | datn | i am trying to setup ssh, but i dont understand kerberos |
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| 08:52.27 | datn | where can I find docu on kerberos? |
| 08:52.33 | [quidam] | uh |
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| 08:52.57 | ma3x | hello can somebody show me how to use cryptsetup? |
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| 08:53.01 | [quidam] | but you need a very special ssh or what? |
| 08:53.13 | datn | quidam secure |
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| 08:53.32 | [quidam] | cos you can use the package as is |
| 08:53.43 | [quidam] | ssh-krb5 works well |
| 08:53.49 | hyperstream | how can i mount a cd iso as a cdrom |
| 08:53.51 | [quidam] | no config needed |
| 08:53.52 | datn | as is? |
| 08:53.55 | datn | ahh okie |
| 08:54.04 | datn | so how would user authenticate? |
| 08:54.06 | [quidam] | apt-get it |
| 08:54.13 | [quidam] | with any ssh client |
| 08:54.26 | liable | hyperstream: have tried man mount? -t iso9660 -o loop |
| 08:54.33 | datn | okay |
| 08:54.42 | [quidam] | the new server adds support for kerberos, but works as ever |
| 08:54.48 | datn | i just reinstall ssh, and it asking about kerberos realm |
| 08:55.20 | [quidam] | just install that package, it should work |
| 08:55.35 | datn | thanks for your advice, i think i'll read up more about kerberos, it will enlighten me in the future |
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| 08:56.47 | [quidam] | its a good idea, anyway :) |
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| 08:57.25 | ma3x | how can I setup encrypted partition? I don't know how to use cryptsetup..... anyone can help me plz? |
| 08:57.49 | datn | s/in/for/ |
| 08:57.53 | [quidam] | i'm stuck in my own problem, is here a gnome unstable user that can help me? |
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| 08:58.35 | datr1x | I have installed debian but I can't get my nvidia display drivers to install |
| 08:58.44 | sep | datr1x, sarge ? |
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| 08:59.12 | datr1x | it says cant find precompiled kernal |
| 08:59.18 | datr1x | whats sargw |
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| 08:59.22 | datr1x | sarge |
| 08:59.25 | jm_ | datr1x: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 08:59.31 | sep | datr1x, the current stable version of debian |
| 08:59.48 | datr1x | I think so |
| 08:59.53 | sep | and if you run sarge running the nvidia one-liner works |
| 08:59.54 | brosioz | anyone known anythig better of dm_crypt for crypt a fs ? |
| 08:59.57 | sep | as jm_ said |
| 09:00.09 | datr1x | whats sarge |
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| 09:00.19 | datr1x | where do I get it |
| 09:00.26 | sep | datr1x, the current stable relase cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:00.39 | amee2k | does that /dev/dsp lock problem also vanish when i switch everything to ALSA? |
| 09:00.44 | [quidam] | datr1x, you need the kernel fonts |
| 09:00.44 | datr1x | I cant look right now cos I'm in windows |
| 09:00.59 | [quidam] | you can apt it, if you use a official kernel |
| 09:01.01 | datr1x | I think it was ver 3.1 |
| 09:01.03 | sep | datr1x, it's a codename for version 3.1 |
| 09:01.11 | [quidam] | and then say no to download from ftp |
| 09:01.13 | datr1x | yes |
| 09:01.15 | sep | then use the nvidia one-liner |
| 09:01.16 | liable | wtf are kernel fonts? |
| 09:01.24 | datr1x | what I did was |
| 09:01.28 | tarzeau | liable: those for the console? |
| 09:01.29 | jm_ | liable: possibly used those for FB |
| 09:01.36 | tarzeau | liable: sparc has other fonts than x86 vga |
| 09:01.36 | jm_ | err those used |
| 09:01.39 | liable | oh |
| 09:01.45 | datr1x | first I downloaded the nvidia driver for linux |
| 09:01.47 | datr1x | then |
| 09:01.47 | tarzeau | liable: check ree, it has a tool to dump vga fonts from vga bios |
| 09:01.54 | sep | datr1x, wrong ! use the nvidia one-liner |
| 09:01.56 | datr1x | i booted to a root terminal |
| 09:02.03 | datr1x | OH |
| 09:02.09 | datr1x | whats a one liner |
| 09:02.15 | tarzeau | !one liner |
| 09:02.18 | datr1x | sorry for being stupid |
| 09:02.22 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.24 | tarzeau | datr1x: a solution for a problem, in one line |
| 09:02.30 | [quidam] | uh? |
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| 09:02.33 | tarzeau | datr1x: mostly with a bunch of pipes |
| 09:02.48 | sep | tarzeau, i thougth it's more a bunch of ; 's |
| 09:02.54 | datr1x | anyway nice to meet you guys |
| 09:02.58 | tarzeau | sep: that's fine too |
| 09:03.04 | tarzeau | sep: or a combination of both |
| 09:03.05 | datr1x | I appreciate your help |
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| 09:03.13 | sep | !tell datr1x about nvidia one-liner |
| 09:03.24 | sep | since i doubt he got the /msg bit... :) |
| 09:03.40 | sep | !tell datr1x about non-free sources |
| 09:04.16 | [quidam] | tell me too, i never heard about |
| 09:04.27 | jm_ | [quidam]: ask dpkg yourself |
| 09:04.31 | sep | [quidam], ask dpkg in msg yourself |
| 09:04.45 | [quidam] | its my first day here |
| 09:04.57 | [quidam] | whats the command? |
| 09:05.04 | sep | !tell [quidam] about msgdpkg |
| 09:05.07 | peritus | /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 09:05.11 | brosioz | anyone known anythig better of dm_crypt for crypt a fs ? |
| 09:05.33 | peritus | /msg dpkg msgdpkg |
| 09:05.40 | peritus | oops ;) |
| 09:06.10 | [quidam] | tnx |
| 09:06.55 | datn | quidam |
| 09:07.03 | [quidam] | datn |
| 09:07.09 | datr1x | is dpkg a bot |
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| 09:07.22 | laurens | note to self: never let father operate own debian box |
| 09:07.28 | Paivakil | !dpkg |
| 09:07.28 | dpkg | [dpkg] mad |
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| 09:07.40 | sep | [quidam], ask dpkg about "what are you" |
| 09:07.40 | Paivakil | datr1x: ^^ |
| 09:07.43 | laurens | it seems he has gotten rid of "man". Any idea which package its in? |
| 09:07.52 | laurens | bash: man: command not found |
| 09:07.55 | datn | quidam i dont have to setup kerberos when I setup ssh-kb5? |
| 09:07.57 | datr1x | yes I'm here |
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| 09:08.22 | foksAFK | laurens: apt-get install manpages |
| 09:08.33 | jm_ | laurens: .msg dpkg search |
| 09:08.38 | datr1x | «Paivakil» I cant make any sense of dpkg sorry dpkg |
| 09:08.39 | jm_ | that is: /msg |
| 09:08.51 | [quidam] | datn, no, you don't |
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| 09:09.03 | laurens | foksAFK: did that |
| 09:09.12 | laurens | it didnt install man |
| 09:09.20 | foksAFK | laurens: PATH problem ? |
| 09:09.32 | hondadude | hi, i am haveing troubels getting my hp 1100 to print in debian, what do i do? |
| 09:09.48 | datr1x | whats a nvidia one-liner? |
| 09:09.57 | sep | datr1x, ask dpkg in msg |
| 09:10.06 | laurens | foks: could you do 'whereis man' for me please? |
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| 09:10.35 | datn | ifconfig eth0 |
| 09:10.37 | datn | woops |
| 09:10.53 | foks | man is /usr/bin/man |
| 09:11.22 | laurens | foks: no such binary |
| 09:11.32 | [quidam] | man is in man-db package |
| 09:11.33 | laurens | bash: /usr/bin/man: No such file or directory |
| 09:11.50 | laurens | What manual page do you want? |
| 09:11.51 | laurens | yay! |
| 09:12.03 | laurens | thank you :) |
| 09:12.32 | datr1x | ! |
| 09:12.39 | epsilon | laurens: next time try apt-file |
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| 09:13.20 | datr1x | sep I get this when I try to install,,No precompiled kernal was found,, can you tell me how to ask dpkg |
| 09:13.51 | sep | datr1x, type in irc window /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 09:14.47 | [quidam] | datr1x, if you have the kernel sources package, you can say no to download, and installer will build the module for you |
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| 09:15.55 | hondadude | can anyone help me with my printer? it wont print |
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| 09:16.04 | datr1x | where can I get the source packages? but as far as I can remember it didn't give an option to say no |
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| 09:16.25 | sep | hondadude, /msg dpkg cups setup |
| 09:16.43 | sep | datr1x, read the last words of the factoid |
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| 09:17.45 | datr1x | Is anyone prepared to let me phone them for a few minutes? |
| 09:17.52 | hondadude | ok sep , i have the printer installed, but it just wont print |
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| 09:18.12 | sep | hondadude, network or usb ? |
| 09:18.17 | datr1x | I'm in the UK but I have free calls to most of the world via voip |
| 09:18.19 | hondadude | lpt |
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| 09:18.49 | boycer | msg dpkg xorg |
| 09:18.53 | sep | hondadude, this might sound silly.. but i'v never had a printer on lpt in a modern nix :) |
| 09:19.03 | [quidam] | is there any gnome 2.12 user in here? |
| 09:19.05 | boycer | arse. dang slash... |
| 09:19.07 | ma3x | how can I setup encrypted partition? I don't know how to use cryptsetup..... anyone can help me plz? |
| 09:19.26 | sep | hondadude, put some garbage data to the printerport to see if it prints it ? cat a textfile there forinstance |
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| 09:20.34 | [quidam] | anyone?? |
| 09:20.52 | sep | datr1x, get real. even i manage to run the nvidia one-liner it does everything needed |
| 09:21.03 | hondadude | sep it does nothing, i get this error msg though: client-error-not-possible |
| 09:21.11 | sep | [quidam], ask dpkg about anyone |
| 09:21.47 | sep | hondadude, when you cat data to the lpt port ? |
| 09:22.12 | [quidam] | I know that, but the only think I need is a dpkg -l of _anyone_ with gnome 2.12! |
| 09:22.23 | hondadude | i think so?? like i do a test page |
| 09:22.30 | sep | hondadude, http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L291+I0+T+P1+Q |
| 09:22.37 | hondadude | ok |
| 09:22.40 | datr1x | <sep> with this oneliner,, will that install the nvidia drivers I have downloaded from nvidia? |
| 09:22.43 | hondadude | thanx |
| 09:22.56 | [quidam] | the problem is too much to explain again, im not going to find help that way |
| 09:23.21 | sep | datr1x, no. but you dont want to use that package anyway |
| 09:23.52 | ma3x | how can I setup encrypted partition? I don't know how to use cryptsetup..... anyone can help me plz? |
| 09:23.53 | datr1x | that is the problem with the oneliner solution |
| 09:24.11 | datr1x | what I want to do is to get my dual monitors working |
| 09:24.16 | datr1x | in debian |
| 09:24.24 | sep | datr1x, ask dpkg about nvidia installer if you want to know why you dont want to use it. |
| 09:24.50 | datr1x | <sep> Ok I'll take your advice and try that later |
| 09:24.58 | datr1x | thank you for your help |
| 09:24.59 | sep | datr1x, i have dual monitors working in debian and i started with the nvidia one-liner. and this is the last time i said so. since im very tiered of repeating myself |
| 09:25.14 | fireba11 | ma3x: tried to find a how-to ? |
| 09:25.42 | datr1x | I have to go out now so I'll see you all later thanks |
| 09:26.09 | datr1x | and as far as the phone call is concerned i just thought it might be nice to talk |
| 09:26.14 | sep | [quidam], you should write it all in one long text so it's easier to get the whole picture. or even better make a paste on paster if it's that complex |
| 09:26.39 | [quidam] | ok, i'll try again |
| 09:27.09 | hondadude | sep: i have no clue where cupsd.conf is located, cant even serch for some reason |
| 09:27.24 | sep | [quidam], ask dpkg about smart questions it should give you a url that's very wise to have read |
| 09:27.35 | hondadude | oh |
| 09:27.37 | hondadude | got it |
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| 09:28.03 | sep | hondadude, and you normaly should not need to edit it manually the webpage should provide the options needed |
| 09:28.09 | sep | but again i woudnt know :) |
| 09:28.22 | hondadude | oh |
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| 09:28.48 | hondadude | FileDevice" to "yes" in cupsd.conf |
| 09:29.07 | hondadude | i want to try that.. |
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| 09:29.34 | [quidam] | I cannot see fstab listed devices (ide and sata) in my nautilus when hald its running, however, i can see hotplugable devices (usb, firewire). if I stop hald, then i can see fstab devices, but not hotplugable ones. Can anyone send me a list of packages of a gnome 2.12 working box? (dpkg -l) |
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| 09:30.05 | [quidam] | sep, but i bet you i wont get an answer :( |
| 09:30.17 | jeffrin | which package gives makeinfo command |
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| 09:32.35 | SimonRaven | jeffrin: pdo.debian.net or ask dpkg here |
| 09:33.00 | EdLin | !find makeinfo |
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| 09:33.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'makeinfo' (5 of 9): (/usr/share/texi2html/makeinfo.init) in text/texi2html ;; (/usr/share/sendmail/cf/sh/makeinfo.sh) in mail/sendmail-cf ;; (/usr/share/emacs/21.4/lisp/textmodes/makeinfo.el) in editors/emacs21-el ;; (/usr/share/emacs/21.4/lisp/textmodes/makeinfo.elc) in editors/emacs21-common ;; (/usr/share/emacs/22.0.50/lisp/textmodes/makeinfo.el.gz) in editors/emacs-snapshot-el. |
| 09:34.03 | [quidam] | sep, i had read about smart questions, i had searched in www, debian bug tracker, gnome bug tracker, and done a lot of research, but im still stuck in the same place as 10 hours before |
| 09:34.32 | sep | [quidam], you mean in the places sidebar ?? |
| 09:35.20 | [quidam] | sep, the devices? in "my computer" (computer:///) |
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| 09:35.35 | [quidam] | sep, or in the desktop, is the same |
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| 09:36.13 | oskie | what's a good web mail solution in debian? |
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| 09:36.35 | [quidam] | gnomevfs-ls computer:// |
| 09:36.36 | [quidam] | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.42 | Agrajag- | oskie: squirrelmail |
| 09:36.42 | [quidam] | oskie, courier |
| 09:36.55 | sep | oskie, depends on your needs. squirrelmail, sqwebmail imp4... |
| 09:37.02 | [quidam] | lol |
| 09:37.39 | oskie | Agrajag-, [quidam], sep: thanks :) |
| 09:37.44 | sep | [quidam], i dont have that sorry. |
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| 09:37.58 | Agrajag- | oskie: courier doesn't do webmail, i think [quidam] is confused |
| 09:38.33 | sep | Agrajag-, oskie sqwebmail is couriers webprintend |
| 09:38.39 | oskie | Agrajag-: but sqwebmail seems to be courier web mail |
| 09:38.41 | oskie | ah ok |
| 09:38.42 | sep | Agrajag-, oskie sqwebmail is couriers webfrontend |
| 09:38.56 | oskie | i'm using uw-imapd.. |
| 09:39.10 | sep | oskie, you have our sympathy. |
| 09:39.21 | sep | oskie, squirrelmail works then |
| 09:39.25 | oskie | sep: what, uw-imapd is bad? i installed it a long time ago... |
| 09:39.30 | [quidam] | Agrajag-, sqwebmail is ugly, but exists :P |
| 09:39.53 | sep | !uw-imap |
| 09:39.53 | dpkg | methinks uw-imap is the university of washington IMAP toolkit, see http://www.washington.edu/imap/, also it sucks |
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| 09:40.17 | sep | !factinfo uw-imap |
| 09:40.17 | dpkg | uw-imap -- created by fireba11 <n=Miranda@145.253.117.242> at Fri Oct 14 11:43:37 2005 (135 days); it has been requested once, last by fireba11 at Fri Oct 14 04:43:45 2005. |
| 09:40.23 | [quidam] | courier is the easiest to install, in my opinion |
| 09:40.25 | sep | atlest fireball seams to think so :) |
| 09:40.27 | jeffrin | SimonRaven : thanks |
| 09:40.31 | EdLin | I think everything from uw sucks |
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| 09:40.49 | fireba11 | sep zugschlus thinks so too :-) |
| 09:41.08 | sep | i migrated from uw to courier some years ago and am very pleased |
| 09:41.25 | [quidam] | i migrated from qmail |
| 09:41.35 | MrNaz | whats the conf file that you put dns servers into? |
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| 09:41.43 | maatttt | evening all |
| 09:41.51 | MrNaz | /etc/resolv.conf doesnt exist .... do i just create it? |
| 09:41.51 | [quidam] | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:41.55 | fireba11 | MrNaz /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:42.19 | MrNaz | ok... why wouldnt it already exist on my system?\ |
| 09:42.28 | [quidam] | that file is now managed by debconf |
| 09:42.34 | maatttt | does anyone know if there is any way to move a mailman list from one server (sarge) to another ? |
| 09:42.37 | kizmet | touch /etc/resolv.conf && echo "nameserver <nsip>" >> /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:42.59 | [quidam] | that's not the dbian way kizmet |
| 09:43.31 | MrNaz | [quidam] i thought there'd be a tool for setting up network settings... what is it? |
| 09:43.31 | kizmet | [quidam], thats the quick way rofl... Thats my way that allways seems to work without a problem :) |
| 09:43.52 | [quidam] | but as far as i manage that files by hand, i don't know what you have to dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 09:44.26 | maatttt | dpkg-reconfigure etherconf |
| 09:44.28 | hyperstream | how do i change my gcc to 3.0 instead of 4 i just need to compile something |
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| 09:44.35 | [quidam] | kizmet, ok, but (even i'm new here) there is a place to get a "debian way" solution |
| 09:44.37 | maatttt | or atp-get etherconf |
| 09:44.53 | [quidam] | _thats_ the way! |
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| 09:46.09 | oskie | is exim4 and courier a good combination? |
| 09:46.27 | Zugschlus | oskie: at least it works |
| 09:46.38 | Zugschlus | as long as you are talking about courier pop/imap |
| 09:46.43 | Zugschlus | exim and courier mta conflict |
| 09:47.00 | maatttt | I went with exim4+dovecot (imap/pop) |
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| 09:47.11 | Zugschlus | maatttt: good decision |
| 09:47.14 | maatttt | dovecot seemed easier to install and get going. very simple. |
| 09:47.27 | fireba11 | oskie: i got exim4+courier pop/imap running smoothly here |
| 09:47.29 | [quidam] | oskie, I use courier alone |
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| 09:47.55 | oskie | [quidam]: ok. exim4 is a requirement for me... |
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| 09:48.08 | [quidam] | ok |
| 09:48.09 | Zugschlus | which is ok, courier mta sucks abdly |
| 09:48.10 | Zugschlus | badly |
| 09:48.14 | sep | !start a mta war |
| 09:48.14 | dpkg | exim loses mail |
| 09:48.19 | [quidam] | true |
| 09:48.25 | jm_ | hehe |
| 09:48.26 | Zugschlus | dpkg: wrong! |
| 09:48.26 | dpkg | NEVER! |
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| 09:48.36 | jimi | hey i just did an aptitude upgrade and dist-upgrade, now samba wont start... what gives? |
| 09:48.38 | hyperstream | back. |
| 09:48.43 | [quidam] | funny |
| 09:48.44 | jimi | im on unstable |
| 09:48.46 | Zugschlus | jimi: error message? log entries? |
| 09:48.53 | oskie | why does uw-imapd suck and why does courier mta suck? |
| 09:49.05 | jimi | Starting Samba daemons: nmbd smbd failed! |
| 09:49.13 | jimi | what log should i check? |
| 09:49.14 | sep | !why |
| 09:49.14 | dpkg | Because! |
| 09:49.16 | [quidam] | ask dpkg! lol |
| 09:49.20 | laurens | I love IBM! |
| 09:49.23 | [quidam] | hahahaha |
| 09:49.33 | laurens | two days ago my laptop hd died |
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| 09:49.39 | Zugschlus | oskie: uw-imapd is not written with security in mind, and the upstream has shown multiple times that they don't care about security bugs |
| 09:49.42 | laurens | actually, three day ago |
| 09:49.46 | laurens | two days ago i called |
| 09:49.50 | jimi | oh right the /var/log/samba dir i bet |
| 09:49.58 | Zugschlus | oskie: and courier's upstream is not interested in cooperation with other systems |
| 09:49.58 | laurens | at 8 a clock in the evening |
| 09:50.03 | oskie | Zugschlus: ah ok, interesting |
| 09:50.03 | laurens | yesterday i got my drive |
| 09:50.07 | laurens | yes, that was on a sunday |
| 09:50.16 | MrNaz | is there a debian package for smartmontools ? |
| 09:50.35 | fireba11 | oskie: uw-imapd can only do mbox, is pretty old with little progress lately and known to have a couple security issues the coder's won't fix because they think otherwise ... |
| 09:50.46 | sep | MrNaz, yes |
| 09:51.24 | MrNaz | apt-cache search smart finds nothing... |
| 09:51.39 | MrNaz | is it in -testing or something? |
| 09:51.39 | foks | MrNaz: then your apt is broken |
| 09:51.47 | MrNaz | doh |
| 09:51.59 | foks | MrNaz: it's in sarge and sid, then should be in testing |
| 09:52.07 | sep | MrNaz, it is in testing atlest |
| 09:52.36 | MrNaz | i'll update apt and search again |
| 09:52.40 | foks | MrNaz: http://pdo.debian.net/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=smartmontools&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 09:52.45 | MrNaz | damn its frustrating beinga newbie heh... |
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| 09:52.51 | jimi | Zugschlus: here is the log file: http://pastebin.com/574624, seems like the users are not matching... |
| 09:52.54 | sep | MrNaz, vewrify you use real aptsources also, not just the cd :) |
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| 09:53.01 | MrNaz | but its better to bite the bullet than continue using fedora |
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| 09:53.14 | foks | MrNaz: +1 :) |
| 09:53.14 | sep | MrNaz, so true |
| 09:53.20 | MrNaz | sep yea this is a new box and i only had the first CD... i'm just adding the http mirror now |
| 09:53.39 | sep | apt-setup does it for you |
| 09:53.46 | MrNaz | yeap im running that... |
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| 09:54.02 | MrNaz | even though i'm still green in the Debian Way... i'm already seeing things i love |
| 09:54.21 | MrNaz | like i've been told before how damn good apt is... its kinda like the matrix in that, well, i just had to see it for myself :) |
| 09:54.24 | MrNaz | damn its good |
| 09:54.42 | sep | MrNaz, aye i know i migrated from RH some years ago too. it's like waking from a bad dream :) |
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| 09:54.59 | dominicano | dvm1981, |
| 09:55.02 | pureone | :z |
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| 09:55.26 | ma3x | can anyone help me with crypt-luks? |
| 09:55.33 | MrNaz | sep yea... i mean rpm is ok, but apt is the goods... all the progs i could ever need are but a single command away |
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| 09:56.35 | sep | MrNaz, and quite a few you'll never need too |
| 09:56.46 | sep | :) |
| 09:57.24 | jimi | gar why wont my samba work, i wanna watch movies on my xbox... :( |
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| 09:58.39 | MrNaz | sep hehe yea |
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| 09:59.26 | hondadude | hey sep noting works, but when i set it to raw it prints nothing but the paper goes through.. |
| 09:59.33 | hondadude | lol |
| 09:59.43 | ezroan | where to get info about building debian kernel from source? |
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| 10:00.08 | blondie | why do you want to do that? just install the binary kernel |
| 10:00.37 | tarzeau | blondie: it doesn't work on alot of hardware |
| 10:00.45 | tarzeau | !make-kpkg |
| 10:00.45 | dpkg | i guess make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 10:00.47 | blondie | it doesn't? |
| 10:00.54 | tarzeau | blondie: yes it doesn't, for a lot of hardware |
| 10:00.57 | ezroan | blondie, u need the 'build' when u install non-debian software. |
| 10:01.06 | blondie | ezroan: no you don't |
| 10:01.38 | ezroan | blondie, yes u do. |
| 10:01.52 | blondie | !u |
| 10:01.52 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:02.05 | blondie | (and no you don't) |
| 10:02.15 | ezroan | blondie, don't be petty. |
| 10:02.22 | blondie | learn to spell. |
| 10:02.30 | laurens | !ne1 |
| 10:02.30 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 10:02.43 | laurens | :P |
| 10:02.55 | ezroan | blondie, learn to be smart, communicate the same msg with the least letters. |
| 10:02.58 | ne1 | !ne1 |
| 10:02.58 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
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| 10:03.08 | nvz | I think I somehow reached my limit on sleep.. I keep waking up like every few minutes now |
| 10:03.13 | ne1 | ezroan: u, ne1 etc are considered bad etiquette. |
| 10:03.18 | blondie | ezroan: that's not being smart, it's being lazy and retarded. |
| 10:03.25 | [quidam] | i love debian, but i use MY own kernel |
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| 10:03.37 | lilian | brazil |
| 10:03.43 | tarzeau | [quidam]: linux kernel or different? |
| 10:03.46 | lilian | brasil |
| 10:03.49 | ne1 | And by bad etiquette, I mean, "telltale sign that user is intelectually challenged" |
| 10:03.49 | [quidam] | lol |
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| 10:03.50 | blondie | !br |
| 10:03.50 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 10:03.54 | tarzeau | [quidam]: i wish i could use debian kernels... |
| 10:03.56 | jimi | ahh you bitchez |
| 10:04.01 | ezroan | blondie, that's being bitchy. |
| 10:04.02 | jimi | is there a trigger for swears? |
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| 10:04.07 | nvz | jimi: dont talk about your momma like that |
| 10:04.09 | jimi | !fuck |
| 10:04.09 | dpkg | methinks fuck is a wonderful, versatile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav |
| 10:04.14 | tarzeau | [quidam]: there's also GNU/Hurd and #gnu-kbsd |
| 10:04.24 | ne1 | I use my own kernels too...laurens@seaborgium:~$ uname -a |
| 10:04.24 | ne1 | Linux seaborgium 2.6.15.4-lvh1 #1 PREEMPT Sun Feb 26 23:07:09 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:04.31 | Wuffi600 | how can i avoid output of command timeout? "timeout 1 sleep -- 2 > /dev/null 2>&1" echos "Terminated." |
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| 10:04.32 | [quidam] | i mean mean my own compilation of linux for my processor, and my patches |
| 10:04.48 | ne1 | mainly patches |
| 10:04.55 | tarzeau | [quidam]: which patches? which version of the linux kernel? |
| 10:04.57 | ne1 | I do staircase scheduler hacking |
| 10:05.07 | ne1 | kind of worthless if you dont test them though |
| 10:05.11 | va | can i set filesystem quotas per directory? per user? |
| 10:05.24 | tarzeau | va: no, imho |
| 10:05.39 | [quidam] | 2.6.15 + bootsplash and sqashfs for live |
| 10:06.06 | [quidam] | 2.4.24 + openmosix for computation clustering |
| 10:06.16 | Wuffi600 | how can i avoid output of command timeout? "timeout 1 sleep > /dev/null 2>&1 -- 2 > /dev/null 2>&1" echos "Terminated." |
| 10:06.39 | va | tarzeau: but surely i can set per user? Otherwise what would be the point of them? |
| 10:06.49 | [quidam] | 2.4.30 + patchomatick + grsec for routers |
| 10:06.49 | tarzeau | va: yes |
| 10:06.52 | jm_ | Wuffi600: >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 10:07.06 | tarzeau | [quidam]: sounds interesting. thanks for the infos |
| 10:07.16 | jimi | why is samba such a pain |
| 10:07.21 | tarzeau | dpkg tell Wuffi600 about repeat |
| 10:07.32 | tarzeau | jimi: why do you use it if it is? |
| 10:07.48 | jimi | tarzeau: so i can watch vids on the xbox |
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| 10:08.11 | tarzeau | jimi: use mplayer? it can do http:// stuff |
| 10:08.14 | tarzeau | jimi: or NFS? |
| 10:08.16 | va | tarzeau: but not per directory, right? Do other unixes (*BSD) have per directory quotas? |
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| 10:08.24 | [quidam] | tarzeau, u (sorry) _you_ are wellcome |
| 10:08.28 | tarzeau | va: no. no. |
| 10:08.38 | tarzeau | !wellcome |
| 10:08.44 | jimi | haha its unices |
| 10:08.46 | tarzeau | [quidam]: really, just one l in welcome |
| 10:08.50 | va | tarzeau: thanks |
| 10:09.25 | [quidam] | tarzeau, sorry, my english is crap |
| 10:09.46 | yos87 | why we cannot run linux excutable file, such as http://surfnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/krename/krename-3.0.11.tar.bz2 |
| 10:09.57 | yos87 | on debian |
| 10:10.08 | tarzeau | [quidam]: how many machines does your cluster of mosix contain, and in what country? what does it simulate? |
| 10:10.22 | tarzeau | yos87: what does it say, if you try? |
| 10:10.40 | [quidam] | tarzeau, from 35 to 50, in spain |
| 10:10.44 | maatttt | in MC, midnght commander, does anyone know the keyboard shortcut for chmod and chown ? |
| 10:10.46 | yos87 | tarzeau: not only this, all linux file |
| 10:10.54 | yos87 | tarzeau: it will open it as text |
| 10:11.08 | tarzeau | [quidam]: do you know condor? |
| 10:11.10 | [quidam] | tarzeau, we use it for testing, developing of clusters itself, and teaching |
| 10:11.18 | jimi | yos87: thats an archive, u wanna be doing apt-get install krename |
| 10:11.18 | tarzeau | maatttt: hmmm did you check the online help, f1? |
| 10:11.20 | [quidam] | tarzeau, nope |
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| 10:11.33 | tarzeau | maatttt: it shows up in the pull down menu, f9 |
| 10:11.36 | jimi | sorry _you_ haha |
| 10:11.50 | tarzeau | [quidam]: very interesting |
| 10:11.50 | maatttt | tarzeau: yeah, but I don;t understand what keys I have to press. or it broke. |
| 10:11.51 | yos87 | jimi: how apt will know where is the downloaded file, such as that file |
| 10:11.52 | [quidam] | http://trisquel.uvigo.es:81/ganglia/ |
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| 10:12.03 | tarzeau | maatttt: try esc and number? |
| 10:12.11 | tarzeau | maatttt: C-x x means control-x x |
| 10:12.19 | [quidam] | tarzeau, you can see the nodes there |
| 10:12.24 | tarzeau | yos87: it puts it in /var somewhere |
| 10:12.25 | ezroan | tarzeau, just read the info u referred me to. ya, with kernel-package, make-kpkg will work. thks. |
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| 10:12.28 | [quidam] | tarzeau, but is not working now |
| 10:12.29 | jimi | yos87: thats the beauty of the apt package management system, it will download it automatically for you |
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| 10:12.48 | yos87 | jimi: that what I don't waht |
| 10:12.55 | jimi | yos87: you could allways just compile it from scratch using the .bz2 file |
| 10:13.08 | tarzeau | [quidam]: we use this: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/condor/map/ |
| 10:13.15 | tarzeau | [quidam]: see in switzerland, zurich, about 150 nodes |
| 10:13.21 | yos87 | jimi: I don't want to download it from the resources, I want an installation file |
| 10:13.31 | jimi | yos87: bunzip2 krename-3.0.11.tar.bz2 |
| 10:13.33 | maatttt | tarzeau: yeah, thought so, but it doesn;t work for me. windows->putty->ssh->debian |
| 10:13.34 | [quidam] | tarzeau, oh, yes, I know condor |
| 10:13.40 | Malagmyr | What's the easiest to configure VPN daemon that is compatible with WinXP clients? |
| 10:13.45 | jimi | yos87: tar xvf krename-3.0.11.tar |
| 10:13.49 | [quidam] | tarzeau, just forget |
| 10:14.01 | jimi | yos87: cd krename-3.0.11 |
| 10:14.03 | [quidam] | tarzeau, i like ganglia |
| 10:14.06 | va | tarzeau: <lightbulb>! If i can set quotas per filesystem per user, can 'mount --bind' my directory and then treat it as a filesystem and that way have quotas per directory per user? |
| 10:14.07 | jimi | yos87: ./configure |
| 10:14.13 | jimi | yos87: make install |
| 10:14.25 | yos87 | jimi: what do you tar xvf krename... |
| 10:14.26 | tarzeau | va: i don't know. i hate quotas. and i hate out of disk space! |
| 10:14.33 | tarzeau | va: don't ask me things about unnaturally limiting anything |
| 10:14.37 | yos87 | jimi: what "make isntall" |
| 10:14.39 | tarzeau | va: i'm against any kind of borders |
| 10:14.44 | ezroan | there is something wrong with my system. whne i clicked 'save as' in konqueror, it hangs there for a good ten mins. before pop-up window appears. any reason for that? |
| 10:14.53 | jm_ | Malagmyr: openvpn should work |
| 10:14.57 | jimi | yos87: hmmm looks like u need to get up to scratch on compiling a package from source |
| 10:15.36 | yos87 | jimi: what is the "make intall" and what is "./configure" |
| 10:15.55 | yos87 | jimi: is it a book? |
| 10:15.56 | ezroan | blondie, u agree that it is necessary to build your own kernel? |
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| 10:16.11 | jimi | yos87: ./configure tests that your system has the correct dependencies then creates the Makefile |
| 10:16.16 | [quidam] | tarzeau, our cluster is a beowulf/openmosix mix |
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| 10:16.31 | jimi | yos87: then by running the command make install it installs it to the system |
| 10:16.35 | [quidam] | tarzeau, a pain for an admin |
| 10:16.36 | tarzeau | [quidam]: we've also got beowulf clusters here, but not on the workstations |
| 10:16.59 | [quidam] | tarzeau, oh, is a dedicated cluster |
| 10:17.30 | yos87 | jimi: whe I type ./configure in termenal, I get nothing |
| 10:17.39 | blondie | ezroan: sorry, I don't understand your poor English |
| 10:17.48 | [quidam] | tarzeau, we spect it to grow up and add all our campus workstations, but we are on it |
| 10:17.59 | ezroan | blondie, u r a dumb blonde. |
| 10:18.24 | blondie | ezroan: you are a total retard |
| 10:18.29 | yos87 | jimi: also mak install : no rule to meke target install stop |
| 10:18.37 | tarzeau | [quidam]: all the same computer type? how many different kernels do you build? we have 14 here |
| 10:18.52 | tarzeau | yos87: you need to fix the Makefile |
| 10:18.55 | yos87 | jimi: do you know any referance for what you ment above? |
| 10:19.06 | [quidam] | tarzeau, by now all machines uses the same hardware |
| 10:19.08 | ezroan | blondie, never mind, i'll call it a day. bye. |
| 10:19.39 | [quidam] | tarzeau, but i'm working in a live distro, with generic kernel, and it will include openmosix for 2.6 |
| 10:19.55 | jimi | yos87: hold on 5 secs ill find for you |
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| 10:20.07 | yos87 | jimi: thank you for help |
| 10:20.12 | [quidam] | tarzeau, as well it includes all the workstation stuff, and even Xgl! |
| 10:20.17 | tarzeau | [quidam]: interesting. what do you use for live? own? morphix? knoppix? ubuntu? |
| 10:20.29 | tarzeau | [quidam]: i'm doing this one, http://livecd.gnustep.org |
| 10:20.40 | tarzeau | [quidam]: i'm moving it away from morphix to, ging (debian gnu/kfreebsd) |
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| 10:20.42 | [quidam] | tarzeau, http://trisquel.uvigo.es/files/images/Pantallazo2.png |
| 10:20.55 | jimi | yos87: no probs. here try this site: http://www.codecoffee.com/tipsforlinux/articles/27.html |
| 10:21.02 | tarzeau | [quidam]: i don't like that kind of stuff |
| 10:21.14 | [quidam] | tarzeau, why? |
| 10:21.14 | tarzeau | [quidam]: os x has that shit, and it makes you slower when you want to work efficient |
| 10:21.28 | tarzeau | [quidam]: it slows down everything, i prefer to spend time with women instead of computers |
| 10:21.45 | ma3x | anybody using cryptsetup-luks? |
| 10:22.15 | jimi | hey whats that 3d desktop called? |
| 10:22.18 | yos87 | jimi: thank you, I will read it carefully, and I will back later |
| 10:22.24 | [quidam] | tarzeau, but such kind of things make women switch to linux, then you can spend your time with computers, and women |
| 10:22.29 | [quidam] | :P |
| 10:22.41 | tarzeau | [quidam]: i don't want women to spend time on computers. |
| 10:22.51 | [quidam] | tarzeau, rotfl |
| 10:22.52 | tarzeau | [quidam]: and i don't especially like linux |
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| 10:23.28 | [quidam] | tarzeau, i prefer women to linux, true |
| 10:23.35 | ma3x | anybody using cryptsetup-luks? |
| 10:23.44 | blondie | I prefer men to linux to women |
| 10:23.46 | blondie | or something |
| 10:23.47 | tarzeau | dpkg tell ma3x about repeat |
| 10:23.53 | Knight_Lord | Hi. I have a computer with a 3ware 9550 which is not supported by debian 3.1 boot disk. How would i go to install debian on such machine? |
| 10:24.02 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: make your own kernel |
| 10:24.08 | jimi | haha |
| 10:24.09 | jm_ | Knight_Lord: try Sarge with 2.6.15 kernel |
| 10:24.11 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau Any pointers on how to do it? |
| 10:24.20 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: can you net boot? |
| 10:24.22 | [quidam] | tarzeau, even if i know debian unstable is far more stable than average women |
| 10:24.23 | Knight_Lord | My problem is the boot image. I have no idea how to make it |
| 10:24.30 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau yes i think i can |
| 10:24.31 | jimi | Knight_Lord: use the business card iso |
| 10:24.45 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: then i'd pick the boot/root images and exchange the kernel, see make-kpkg |
| 10:24.54 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: just excahnge the linux kernel file and the modules |
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| 10:25.03 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau so simply exchanging the kernel should work? |
| 10:25.04 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: mount -o rw,loop THE.IMG /mnt is the trick |
| 10:25.09 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: yes, it did here |
| 10:25.15 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau do i need to keep the same name as the previous kernel? |
| 10:25.20 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: no |
| 10:25.29 | [quidam] | there is no even a woman here to kick my ass? |
| 10:25.32 | [quidam] | wow |
| 10:25.36 | Knight_Lord | ok thanks i'm gonna try that |
| 10:25.42 | tarzeau | [quidam]: women can be extremely stable! |
| 10:25.52 | jm_ | [quidam]: there is,but probably sleeping |
| 10:25.53 | tarzeau | [quidam]: software generally is of lower quality and stability |
| 10:26.01 | tarzeau | [quidam]: often also because it's written by men |
| 10:26.06 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau do i have to need an initrd kernel image or not? |
| 10:26.12 | ma3x | tarzeau, do you use the encryption or not? |
| 10:26.28 | tarzeau | ma3x: no, we need the speed |
| 10:26.34 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: no, we don't |
| 10:26.54 | tarzeau | [quidam]: go try #debian-women |
| 10:27.11 | [quidam] | LOL |
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| 10:27.19 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 should probably work right? |
| 10:27.24 | [quidam] | what a full place! |
| 10:27.36 | [quidam] | its really a shame |
| 10:27.42 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: you built it? |
| 10:27.53 | jimi | they are all in #win32-women |
| 10:27.56 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau official debian |
| 10:27.59 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau from sid |
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| 10:28.40 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: i'm not sure if it supports it, but you can try, yes |
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| 10:29.09 | [quidam] | tarzeau, thats why i include xgl and fancy games and crap in my distro, to help women switching. They love such things (specially frozen-bubble) |
| 10:29.33 | tarzeau | [quidam]: tried http://bub-n-bros.sf.net yet? |
| 10:29.35 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau looks like 9550 is from 2.6.13. And i found this nice website with Sarge with a 2.6.15 http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm |
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| 10:29.49 | tarzeau | [quidam]: or mazeofgalious? supertransball2? nethack? supertux? pathogen? jumpnbump? |
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| 10:30.04 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: then, use that! it's good for sata too |
| 10:30.27 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau because i think replacing the kernel alone would not work, because of different udev and other changes. |
| 10:30.50 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: are you talking 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 10:30.52 | [quidam] | tarzeau, i've tried a lot, but we have a limited space in the cd! |
| 10:30.53 | Knight_Lord | 2.6 |
| 10:30.58 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: we've just replaced the 2.4 one, and it works perfectly |
| 10:31.15 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: we're now migrating to 2.6 slowly (working on usb and supermount stuff still) |
| 10:31.46 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau ok. I'll give a try to the image on that website. Thanks for all the help :-) |
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| 10:32.34 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau btw any idea when windowmaker is gonna have non rectangular window decorations? |
| 10:32.44 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: hopefully never, but ask the developers |
| 10:32.49 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau :-P |
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| 10:34.26 | hyperstream | how do i install java for azureus and other applications ? |
| 10:34.39 | jm_ | hyper/read the topic |
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| 10:37.00 | hyperstream | ive red it |
| 10:37.32 | hyperstream | is free-java-sdk |
| 10:37.35 | hyperstream | what im after? |
| 10:37.39 | hyperstream | thats jre ? |
| 10:37.49 | jm_ | it says: /msg dpkg java |
| 10:37.56 | hyperstream | i just did :/ |
| 10:38.01 | hyperstream | thanks |
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| 10:38.21 | jm_ | and then it says to do "/msg dpkg install java" |
| 10:39.58 | ludwig | Hallo! |
| 10:40.30 | ludwig | After reinstalling the Samba PDC giving it a new domain, I have problems with the user's profiles - what to do? |
| 10:41.28 | hyperstream | /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: make-jpkg: command not found |
| 10:42.02 | hyperstream | hmm perhaps a typo brb |
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| 10:42.28 | hyperstream | make-dpkg didnt worth either :( |
| 10:42.39 | jm_ | it is make-jpkg |
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| 10:42.49 | hyperstream | hmm. yeah command not found ? |
| 10:43.12 | jm_ | !installit |
| 10:43.12 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 10:44.04 | hyperstream | !search |
| 10:44.04 | dpkg | it has been said that search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache search <search ... |
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| 10:44.23 | hyperstream | yeah i already tryed apt-cache search make-jpkg |
| 10:44.26 | hyperstream | no results |
| 10:44.28 | jm_ | use /msg dpkg - I only did it that way so that you could read it too |
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| 10:44.45 | jm_ | search factoid mentions several methods of finding files, apt-cache doesn't search for filenames |
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| 10:45.43 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 10:45.47 | lkthomas | anyone have experience with curl ? |
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| 10:50.19 | Rippey | how do i report bad dependence ? is this usefull, or i just have to wait maintainer notice it ? |
| 10:50.49 | jm_ | check BTS first |
| 10:51.10 | tarzeau | Rippey: which package which dependency? |
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| 10:51.29 | \amethyst | Rippey: which distribution? |
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| 10:58.22 | rayen | hi, i was just wondering what the path to my netwerkcard eth0 is? |
| 10:58.38 | grzywachu | none |
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| 10:59.03 | fireba11 | rayen ? |
| 10:59.05 | rayen | i meant my network device... usually it's something like /dev/.. ? |
| 10:59.55 | liable | iface cards dont have a /dev file |
| 11:00.02 | grzywachu | It's not in this case. |
| 11:00.06 | liable | network.. |
| 11:00.42 | [quidam] | arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:00.52 | [quidam] | all night! |
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| 11:01.34 | [quidam] | 12 hours, and the only thing i had to do is downgrade a package |
| 11:01.37 | [quidam] | :( |
| 11:01.40 | [quidam] | shit |
| 11:01.45 | [quidam] | o0' |
| 11:02.01 | liable | oh well its fixed now, be happy :) |
| 11:02.05 | [quidam] | fucking sid |
| 11:02.21 | grzywachu | What package? |
| 11:02.31 | [quidam] | now I know why it's called unstable |
| 11:02.35 | grzywachu | 'cos I'm fighting with SDL apps segfaulting somewhere in X libs right now... |
| 11:02.42 | grzywachu | :S |
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| 11:02.50 | [quidam] | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.50 | dn4 | Is there a way to turn a uSB keyboard into a wireless one? |
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| 11:02.58 | grzywachu | mhm |
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| 11:03.22 | sep | dn4, use wirecutters, remove the wire... it's wireless (also non working) |
| 11:03.39 | liable | heh |
| 11:03.50 | blondie | dn4: no |
| 11:03.53 | blondie | well |
| 11:03.56 | blondie | maybe |
| 11:04.02 | sep | dn4, no not possible (well everything is possible) but not worth it |
| 11:04.04 | blondie | I think belkin have made a wireless USB hub |
| 11:04.23 | liable | there would be some sort of bluetooth adapter you could get prolly |
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| 11:04.29 | blondie | actually it needs a power cable, so the answer is not really ;) |
| 11:04.39 | sep | woudnt it be cheaper to just get a wireless keyboard :) |
| 11:04.55 | blondie | yes |
| 11:05.03 | blondie | and much nicer |
| 11:05.09 | dn4 | ok so we need to start using the technology of sending power wirelessly |
| 11:05.40 | blondie | you could do that with strong electromagnetic fields |
| 11:05.43 | sep | dn4, it exsists already, but im not sure you would like to sit in a very strong fluxing magnetic field all day |
| 11:05.51 | grzywachu | ;-) |
| 11:05.53 | dn4 | I want a wireless keyboard that is like the virtually indestructible keyboards |
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| 11:06.51 | dn4 | what is wrong with adding more? most people don't care that radio waves travel through their house and hit them in the face. |
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| 11:07.32 | liable | sit in the microwave for 3 mins and tell us how you like it. |
| 11:07.33 | sep | dn4, becouse the power needed to induce the needed wattage is slightly larger then what you get from radio/Wlan/bluetooth/ etc/etc rf's |
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| 11:08.39 | Rippey | unstable : gnomemeeting : Version: 1.2.3-2 wants : libopenh323-1.18.0 (>= 1.17.4) and only : libopenh323-1.15.6 avaible |
| 11:08.41 | sep | woudnt it induce electricity in toothfillings ? :) |
| 11:08.44 | dn4 | sep, there is technology to make the wave being sent appear as if the wave is nto there at all. So there is no strong magnetic field, but the energy is transfered to the location. |
| 11:09.38 | sep | dn4, if it was useable someone would be selling it already. |
| 11:10.19 | dn4 | sep, well do you consider this useful? |
| 11:10.26 | aidan | dn4: if there's no magnetic field, how is the wave propogated? |
| 11:10.48 | aidan | propagated* |
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| 11:10.50 | ludwig | Is there a way to change the user's SID within a NTUSER.DAT file? |
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| 11:11.25 | Flexy | how can I see what is using udp port 2001, if anything? |
| 11:11.26 | fireba11 | ludwig: why ? also this is #debian ^^ |
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| 11:11.39 | ac3 | Where can i find an explanation of all the kernel options in the kernel .config file? |
| 11:11.44 | datn | hi |
| 11:11.44 | ludwig | fireba11, I run a samba PDC on debian |
| 11:11.47 | dn4 | aidan, I was listening to a nuclear phyist who studied under Nikola Tesla and apparently he said there is a equal opposite to the wave propogation so that when taken into account and used, the wave appears as if it is not there. |
| 11:11.49 | Pu15ateX | hi guys / gals |
| 11:11.56 | datn | dpkg source list |
| 11:12.16 | datn | dpkg where australian source |
| 11:12.17 | fireba11 | ludwig: and why do you need to change the SID ? |
| 11:12.18 | ludwig | fireba11, I made a reinstall of the whole system, everything works but the user's profiles (user setting are not taken) |
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| 11:12.26 | liable | ac3: in the kernel docs. |
| 11:12.31 | fireba11 | ludwig: hmm |
| 11:12.34 | jm_ | ac3: kernel help covers most of them |
| 11:12.35 | liable | ac3: inside kernel source |
| 11:12.36 | aidan | dn4: surely if this was a possibility it would be taught at university? |
| 11:12.42 | fireba11 | ludwig: should be possible |
| 11:12.44 | chadder | does anyone here know the Window$ equiv. of "system" under MySQL? |
| 11:12.47 | Pu15ateX | whats the command to view the OS startup? |
| 11:12.50 | chadder | (sorry, #mysql is dead) |
| 11:12.51 | ac3 | ok, thx |
| 11:12.58 | liable | Flexy: netstat |
| 11:13.05 | fireba11 | Pu15ateX: ? |
| 11:13.08 | Flexy | liable: right, thanks |
| 11:13.29 | aidan | dn4: if you superimpose two waves with exactly half a phase difference, then the wave is not there, but the energy is not transmitted |
| 11:13.57 | dn4 | aidan, no body really understood Nikola Tesla and most of his knowledge was not written down, so todays universities do not teach his methods. Plus Nikola Tesla was the dude who told Hertz his theory was wrong. |
| 11:14.00 | Pu15ateX | you know when debian starts it shows all the loading stuff and it pretty much flies through it |
| 11:14.04 | aidan | the energy taken as the root-mean-square of the amplitude, or the precise integral, or however else you want to take it, would all be 0 |
| 11:14.16 | Pu15ateX | i think theres a command to show this... |
| 11:14.20 | Pu15ateX | is there? |
| 11:14.34 | fireba11 | Pu15ateX: it's written to a log file fo course |
| 11:14.37 | aidan | I know who Tesla is, but you're contradicting yourself. If there's technology to do it today, as you said, then his theory must have been understood |
| 11:14.41 | liable | Pu15ateX: oh, dmesg or kern.log or bootlogd or you can stop it and scroll while it boots |
| 11:14.59 | Pu15ateX | thanks |
| 11:15.32 | fireba11 | aidan: it's possible to use soemthing wihtout understandign why it works ;-) |
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| 11:16.09 | aidan | fireba11: sure, we're all using a light bulb at the moment. |
| 11:16.14 | pip_ | http://phpfi.com/104332 :: any idea why winxp doesn't boot? |
| 11:16.59 | zerqent | When I connect my rtl8169 card (really 8110s but 8169 module) to a gbswitch I get the message "Phy reset until link up".. Anyone know what causes this? |
| 11:17.03 | dn4 | aidan, I am not quite sure the theory is fully understood, but slowly coming together. |
| 11:17.06 | aidan | fireba11: we have theories as to why a light bulb works, I've never heard of a theory of undetectable EMF propagation, which would surely exist if someone had done it? (that said, what do I know!) |
| 11:17.18 | Daemon666 | im trying to backup my /var/www with the following command - "tar zcvf /var/www-backup/www.tar /var/www" the command works fine but everytime it does it the file is corrupt, am i doing it wrong? |
| 11:17.40 | comsa | is that a new install |
| 11:17.41 | Pu15ateX | pip is the windows partition within the HD's bootable area? |
| 11:17.41 | fireba11 | aidan: also there is no such thing as "undetectable" :-) |
| 11:17.55 | sep | Daemon666, are you sure your not jsut confuzed becouse you zipp it also ? so it should be tar.gz |
| 11:18.00 | jm_ | Daemon666: how is it corrupt? |
| 11:18.00 | fireba11 | aidan: it's just possible that no onw found a way yet :-D |
| 11:18.12 | fireba11 | Pu15ateX: xp doesn't care |
| 11:18.13 | blondie | Daemon666: you're creating a .tar.gz not a .tr |
| 11:18.14 | blondie | +a |
| 11:18.31 | blondie | Daemon666: tar zcvf /var/www-backup/www.tar.gz /var/www |
| 11:18.31 | Pu15ateX | ah k :) |
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| 11:18.55 | blondie | or tar cvf /var/www-backup/www.tar /var/www |
| 11:19.00 | Daemon666 | so what should the command be please to backup a directory and sub-directory with files but keeping the individual file permissions? |
| 11:19.10 | jm_ | nothing wrong with that command |
| 11:19.11 | blondie | Daemon666: see above |
| 11:19.16 | blondie | jm_: there was ;) |
| 11:19.24 | fireba11 | Pu15ateX: i'm glad THAT problem died long ago |
| 11:19.30 | Daemon666 | blondie - that wil keep the permissions of the files? |
| 11:19.35 | blondie | Daemon666: yes, tar does that |
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| 11:19.47 | pip_ | Pu15ateX, how can i test that? |
| 11:19.51 | blondie | jm_: he was creating a .tar.gz but calling it .tar |
| 11:19.54 | Daemon666 | blondie - should i use the first or second one you suggested? |
| 11:19.57 | dn4 | aidan, apparently Nikola tesla thought during his time was that how most people who were scholarly had the idea of electromagnetism was wrong, in making such claims his works were not a main focus as time progressed into the present |
| 11:19.58 | blondie | Daemon666: either |
| 11:20.04 | Daemon666 | k thanks for your help :) |
| 11:20.05 | Marshal|z0rg| | can somebody help me with apt |
| 11:20.08 | fireba11 | blondie tar is a bit picky about option order if making .tar.gz ... |
| 11:20.12 | blondie | Daemon666: the first will compress, the second one won't |
| 11:20.31 | blondie | fireba11: he had it fine except for the file extension |
| 11:20.44 | fireba11 | blondie: ah okay :-) |
| 11:20.54 | jm_ | blondie: it doesn't matter how you call it - what matters is the command to extract it |
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| 11:21.08 | seelen_ | hello, I'm installing postfix with mysql, I need see the query doit by postfix database cannector to mysql, how can I see it ? ... I need this to see a error in the users query, thanks |
| 11:21.17 | blondie | jm_: it does matter |
| 11:21.29 | blondie | jm_: because you'll think it's a plain tar file |
| 11:21.39 | Pu15ateX | dun worry pip, no need to worry bout that, im a lil outdated on tech stuff :p |
| 11:21.46 | Daemon666 | blondie - what would be the command to un-tar it if i used the second one you suggested? (tar cvf /var/www-backup/www.tar /var/www) |
| 11:21.57 | blondie | tar xvf www.tar |
| 11:22.05 | dn4 | ohhh my grammer is a cluster-@#$! |
| 11:22.14 | jm_ | blondie: if I created it I certainly wouldn't think that |
| 11:22.47 | Daemon666 | blondie - thanks for your help :) |
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| 11:23.07 | ac3 | Hmm, i can´t seem to find the docs |
| 11:23.12 | blondie | jm_: creating files with misleading extensions is just silly :P |
| 11:23.27 | ac3 | is it in the Documentation subdir in the kernel source? |
| 11:23.38 | Marshal|z0rg| | i'm running a debian root server, i'm using the "http://ftp.debian.de/debian sarge main contrib non-free" this source, after: apt-get update --> apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-setup isn't working anymore and some other problems with some progs occure. |
| 11:23.39 | jm_ | blondie: of course, but that wasn't his problem |
| 11:24.02 | jm_ | ac3: no, Help option in whichever config interface you use to configure the kernel |
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| 11:24.17 | fireba11 | Marshal|z0rg|: just add another source .. also, use a mirror :-) |
| 11:24.30 | vvillyvvo | I have a very serious debian question that I need answered promptly |
| 11:24.35 | Flexy | I'm having chkrootkit and rkhunter reporting of possible scalper worm, is anyone else getting this? `netstat -u -l --numeric-ports` does not show anything on port 2001. |
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| 11:24.49 | fireba11 | vvillyvvo: then asking it would help |
| 11:25.04 | vvillyvvo | how do i move my character in nethack |
| 11:25.27 | chadder | exit |
| 11:25.29 | Marshal|z0rg| | hmmm, i've got 2 servers, both with the same source-list, on one server its working on the other its not, the hardware is different |
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| 11:26.17 | fireba11 | Marshal|z0rg|: could be the server hoster got a hack somewhere to redirect you to their local mirror :-) |
| 11:26.41 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.42 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.50 | liable | Marshal|z0rg|: do you have security source line? |
| 11:26.52 | Marshal|z0rg| | true? |
| 11:26.53 | seelen_ | please help with postfix and mysql |
| 11:26.58 | Marshal|z0rg| | deb http://ftp.debian.de/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 11:26.58 | Marshal|z0rg| | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US sarge/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 11:26.58 | Marshal|z0rg| | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 11:26.59 | Marshal|z0rg| | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-volatile/ sarge/volatile main contrib non-free |
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| 11:26.59 | seelen_ | hello, I'm installing postfix with mysql, I need see the query doit by postfix database cannector to mysql, how can I see it ? ... I need this to see a error in the users query, thanks |
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| 11:27.11 | Marshal|z0rg| | ok, wait |
| 11:27.11 | fireba11 | !tell Marshal|z0rg| about paste |
| 11:27.14 | vvillyvvo | !tell vvillyvvo nethack |
| 11:27.19 | Marshal|z0rg| | jup |
| 11:27.33 | foks | seelen_: ask mysqld to log, look at your my.cnf |
| 11:27.43 | Marshal|z0rg| | deb http://ftp.debian.de/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 11:27.49 | Marshal|z0rg| | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US sarge/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 11:27.54 | Marshal|z0rg| | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 11:27.57 | foks | vvillyvvo: http://www.nethack.org/v343/Guidebook.html |
| 11:27.58 | fireba11 | seelen_: mysql log not shoing anything ? |
| 11:27.59 | Marshal|z0rg| | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-volatile/ sarge/volatile main contrib non-free |
| 11:27.59 | liable | stop fucking pasting |
| 11:28.05 | foks | Marshal|z0rg|: don't paste here ! |
| 11:28.14 | Marshal|z0rg| | sorry |
| 11:28.23 | foks | Marshal|z0rg|: use http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 11:28.35 | dn4 | aidan, so to correct myself, the wave already exists right infront of you, most people just cannot see it :) |
| 11:28.52 | pengol | how do I check a x509 cert + key pair? |
| 11:28.56 | SimonRaven | vvillyvvo: man nethack |
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| 11:29.17 | Marshal|z0rg| | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1942 |
| 11:29.22 | Marshal|z0rg| | ok, better ? |
| 11:29.28 | Flexy | MUCH |
| 11:29.30 | vvillyvvo | Okay I'm sorry about that stupid question, but I have a real one: Once leaving KDE by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1, how do I return to gnome/KDE |
| 11:29.31 | Flexy | :) |
| 11:29.41 | vvillyvvo | SimonRaven: thx :P |
| 11:29.48 | SimonRaven | alt-f7 |
| 11:29.52 | Flexy | vvillyvvo: Alt+F7 |
| 11:29.59 | aidan | dn4: you keep confusing the issue |
| 11:30.01 | vvillyvvo | ty |
| 11:30.24 | liable | Marshal|z0rg|: non-us you dont need for starters, does the other box have volitile too? |
| 11:30.49 | liable | god my spelling sucks.. |
| 11:30.50 | aidan | dn4: everything you have said is nice, but you specifically said there's a way to propogate energy via an EMF wave, without a magnetic field. That's simply not true. |
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| 11:31.03 | Marshal|z0rg| | volitile? |
| 11:31.14 | seelen_ | fireba11, where is the my.cnf? |
| 11:31.25 | Marshal|z0rg| | i've set up everything with apt-setup |
| 11:31.31 | Marshal|z0rg| | step by step =) |
| 11:31.32 | fireba11 | seelen_ /etc/mysql/ |
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| 11:31.54 | liable | you dont get volatile wit apt-setup. |
| 11:31.56 | SimonRaven | volatile |
| 11:31.59 | Marshal|z0rg| | ok, now is see what you mean =), some kind of slow today |
| 11:32.20 | Marshal|z0rg| | is volatile god or bad |
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| 11:32.47 | Marshal|z0rg| | the box with volatile is working fine |
| 11:32.56 | aidan | dn4: obtaining infinite energy from a vacuum, etc, may at some stage be possible |
| 11:33.00 | liable | its ok, just wondering if that may be whats causing it. |
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| 11:33.55 | seelen_ | fireba11, my mysql log is empty |
| 11:33.58 | Marshal|z0rg| | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1943 |
| 11:34.07 | Marshal|z0rg| | this ist the not working apt-source list |
| 11:34.19 | Marshal|z0rg| | i just reinstalled debian completely |
| 11:34.22 | fireba11 | seelen_: then it's a problem connecting to it .. |
| 11:34.26 | Marshal|z0rg| | but same proble, |
| 11:34.32 | dn4 | aidan, I said there is a way to propogate energy via an EMF with out the EMF being detected. It must be detected at the end points of transference, but not inbetween |
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| 11:35.11 | aidan | dn4: that's an absurd claim though |
| 11:35.12 | seelen_ | fireba11, and the postfix log don't show anything ... what can I do? |
| 11:35.18 | aidan | how do you define the start and end points? |
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| 11:35.38 | ruzgar | hello |
| 11:35.41 | dn4 | aidan, + / - |
| 11:35.51 | ruzgar | i have a problem with X11 |
| 11:36.03 | aidan | dn4: no, the physical end points |
| 11:36.26 | aidan | dn4: a wave is detectable anywhere along the path, as you can move the reciever anywhere along the path. if that wasn't true, how would the wave know where to reappear? |
| 11:36.40 | ruzgar | when starting the X give an error |
| 11:36.49 | Flexy | is there more programs than chkrootkit and rkhunter to check a box if it is compromised or not? |
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| 11:37.01 | ruzgar | the error message is "/etc/X11/X is not executable" |
| 11:37.12 | pengol | what can I use to sign text with a p12 file? |
| 11:37.27 | jm_ | ruzgar: so it even told you what is wrong |
| 11:37.27 | YogSothoth | Hi |
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| 11:38.09 | foks | seelen_: if you modified your my.cnf did you restart it ? |
| 11:38.22 | ruzgar | yeah |
| 11:38.33 | ruzgar | and the computer doesnt open the gnome |
| 11:38.40 | ruzgar | only console |
| 11:38.49 | dn4 | not sure about the physical end points, I can only think that they would be negative and positive and each one controls the other |
| 11:38.49 | YogSothoth | I installed latest Debian Sarge netinstall and I found that the kernel is 2.4.27-2-386. How comes that it is not using latest 2.6.x kernel? What's the differences between 2.4.x and 2.6.x series? |
| 11:39.04 | ruzgar | that happen after i made the updates |
| 11:39.20 | seelen_ | foks, yes |
| 11:39.30 | jm_ | so fix it |
| 11:39.38 | ruzgar | how i can ? |
| 11:39.44 | foks | seelen_: did you look at /var/log/syslog to see if there are errors ? |
| 11:39.55 | jm_ | /etc/X11/X needs to be a symlink to the real X server binary |
| 11:40.10 | ruzgar | one minute i look the link |
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| 11:40.33 | rendi | bash: apt-setup: command not found |
| 11:40.34 | rendi | can help |
| 11:40.34 | seelen_ | foks, no ... let me see |
| 11:40.45 | Marshal|z0rg| | got same problem with apt-setup |
| 11:40.48 | jm_ | rendi: /msg dpkg installit |
| 11:41.07 | rendi | ?? |
| 11:41.10 | jm_ | !! |
| 11:41.10 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 11:41.19 | dn4 | aidan, check out the link I sent you if you have time and if you do and are willing to spend a little bit more time, tell me what you think. |
| 11:41.28 | ruzgar | /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 |
| 11:41.40 | jm_ | do you have XFree86 installed or is it X.org? |
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| 11:41.47 | Marshal|z0rg| | rendi, did this happen after update? |
| 11:42.29 | ruzgar | yeah i dont know exectly but i choose the xorg after update |
| 11:42.29 | rendi | # apt-cache search apt-setup |
| 11:42.29 | rendi | nothing find |
| 11:42.29 | jm_ | dpkg -s xserver-xfree86 xserver-xorg |
| 11:42.29 | dpkg | You Fool! xserver-xfree86 xserver-xorg is installed! |
| 11:42.29 | jm_ | run that, observe the output |
| 11:42.39 | jm_ | apt-setup is not a package name |
| 11:43.14 | liable | rendi: you ran it as root? |
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| 11:43.17 | ruzgar | jm_ "dpkg -s xserver-xfree86 xserver-xorg" that answer is for me? |
| 11:43.24 | jm_ | ruzgar: yes, but don't paste it here |
| 11:43.26 | fireba11 | seelen_: hum ? postfix log should show something |
| 11:43.27 | rendi | ya |
| 11:43.33 | ruzgar | ok |
| 11:43.34 | rendi | what command to install apt-setup |
| 11:43.42 | dn4 | WOOT my early morning coffee is ready |
| 11:43.44 | ruzgar | i'll try thanks |
| 11:44.04 | Marshal|z0rg| | apt-setup worked before update, but after update: apt-setup command not found |
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| 11:44.18 | jm_ | interesting, it only finds apt-setup-udeb |
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| 11:44.51 | jm_ | so you should find out what happened to it - it was in base-config in Sarge, changelog time |
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| 11:45.23 | Marshal|z0rg| | a generell question, is it a good idea to run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:45.27 | jm_ | ahh yeah, pdo doesn't have changelogs ;) |
| 11:45.27 | rendi | can't help me ? |
| 11:45.32 | rendi | i'm still waiting |
| 11:45.34 | vvillyvvo | I want windows in the x environment to be translucent to show off my neat-o background. How is this done? |
| 11:45.41 | wols_ | Marshal|z0rg|: depends what you dist-upgrade to |
| 11:45.48 | jm_ | Marshal|z0rg|: it depends, it's a very good idea when you want to upgrade to a newer release |
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| 11:46.27 | Marshal|z0rg| | so if i dont want to upgarde i should use apt-get upgrade |
| 11:46.34 | wols_ | no |
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| 11:46.53 | wols_ | maybe you could tell us what you want and we could tell you what's best to accomplish this? |
| 11:47.12 | rendi | ok |
| 11:47.15 | rendi | to the point |
| 11:47.18 | Marshal|z0rg| | acctually its a game server running on the root, with some mysql stuff a bouncer ... |
| 11:47.27 | rendi | how to upgrade my debian do stable release ??? |
| 11:47.33 | rendi | *to |
| 11:47.38 | Marshal|z0rg| | it should stay up to date because of security issues |
| 11:47.44 | rendi | !upgrade |
| 11:47.44 | dpkg | hmm... upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security' |
| 11:48.08 | wols_ | ruda: are you running oldstable? |
| 11:48.14 | rendi | ya |
| 11:48.23 | rendi | the fu** old one |
| 11:48.36 | wols_ | then change your sources.list to stable if it isn't already, update and dist-upgrade |
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| 11:48.43 | wols_ | how old? woody? |
| 11:48.59 | rendi | how to see my box ? |
| 11:49.04 | rendi | what command |
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| 11:49.09 | wols_ | see what? |
| 11:49.20 | rendi | see my woody version |
| 11:49.26 | jm_ | !debian version |
| 11:49.26 | dpkg | To determine which version of debian you are running cat /etc/debian_version, or check the version of some important packages such as libc6 (dpkg -l <package>) |
| 11:49.26 | wols_ | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:50.58 | vovka | has anyone seen gnomeicu .deb package version 0.99.9 or above on the net available? |
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| 11:52.50 | nkuttler | vovka: /msg dpkg snapshot ? |
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| 11:53.08 | jm_ | nkuttler: he wants a version newer than that in Debian |
| 11:53.21 | nkuttler | i see |
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| 11:53.39 | YogSothoth | I'm looking for a kernel supporting the QLogic host bus adapter fibre channel SANsurfer QLA200. Seems that only latest 2.6.x kernels support it but I'm using Debian stable with 2.4.x kernel .... How can I setup my adapter that's needed to access my SAN? |
| 11:53.53 | jm_ | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 11:53.53 | dpkg | i guess sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm |
| 11:54.09 | jm_ | or simply get a newer kernel from backports if you already have it installed |
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| 11:54.31 | vovka | the 0.99.7 available on sarge is prior to a major bugfix due to change in protocol |
| 11:54.32 | jm_ | or compile one yourself, plenty of options |
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| 11:55.03 | vovka | i can compile one for myself. but i am looking for a .deb package particulary |
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| 11:55.20 | jm_ | I was talking to YogSothoth, not you |
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| 11:56.08 | jm_ | wtf is wrong with this feller |
| 11:56.30 | Phated | Smack'im :) |
| 11:56.41 | vovka | network problems |
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| 12:00.20 | nkuttler | SaLoMoN_: what are you doing? |
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| 12:01.24 | resiak | SaLoMoN: Stop it |
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| 12:02.51 | sphenxes | how to add Salomon to ignore list on Xchat |
| 12:03.01 | resiak | /ignore, or ask the X-Chat people |
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| 12:03.28 | nimak | /ignore does it |
| 12:03.35 | sphenxes | thanks |
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| 12:05.33 | rendi | hi i wanna instal base-utily but forget that complete name |
| 12:05.43 | rendi | base-utilty ?? |
| 12:05.50 | rendi | with g++ inside |
| 12:06.01 | rendi | and gcc |
| 12:06.03 | YogSothoth | jm_, thanks |
| 12:06.16 | jm_ | build-essential |
| 12:06.16 | resiak | !b-e rendi |
| 12:06.16 | dpkg | rendi: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 12:06.24 | rendi | Greet !! |
| 12:06.27 | rendi | Thanks jm_ |
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| 12:06.35 | vvillyvvo | How do I edit the format of windows in X IE: transpar/translucency |
| 12:06.47 | rendi | A ++++++++ |
| 12:06.48 | rendi | c ya |
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| 12:07.10 | vvillyvvo | err.. terminals |
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| 12:08.17 | nkuttler | vvillyvvo: you need a terminal that supports transparency. like aterm, eterm, wterm... |
| 12:08.28 | resiak | s/trans/fake &/ everywhere |
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| 12:08.38 | ruzgar | i have a problem with X |
| 12:08.49 | Marshal|z0rg| | ok, its me again. might be some kind of rude, but im using windows tools now =), so i am trying and reinstalling if its not working =). tried 3 things. install from scratch, change nothing in apt-source list. apt-get update --> apt-get upgrade, neraly no updates, source doesnt seem to be up to date. 2. reinstall, use debian standard source, after apt-get upgrade apt-setup doesnet work and other probs. 3. copy apt-sorce form root wher |
| 12:08.55 | Marshal|z0rg| | sorry for the long text |
| 12:09.06 | ruzgar | the error is "/etc/X11/X in not executable" |
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| 12:09.13 | resiak | ruzgar: paste the _exact_ error |
| 12:09.27 | resiak | Marshal|z0rg|: truncated at "form root wher", and you might want to give some context |
| 12:09.36 | ruzgar | that is the exact error |
| 12:09.42 | ludwig | still having problems with migrating the NTUSER.DAT files from one samba install to another! |
| 12:09.46 | resiak | It's not, because it's got a SPELLING MISTAKE |
| 12:10.00 | resiak | !install x |
| 12:10.00 | dpkg | [install xf4] apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
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| 12:10.27 | ruzgar | umm my english is not good may be i made a spelling mistake |
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| 12:10.37 | resiak | Have you actually installed X/ |
| 12:10.39 | ruzgar | but i enter these codes for solving problem |
| 12:10.41 | ruzgar | yes |
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| 12:11.01 | ruzgar | "dpkg -s xserver-xfree86 xserver-xorg" |
| 12:11.03 | resiak | What does `dpkg -l x-window-system\*` say? don't paste here |
| 12:11.17 | Marshal|z0rg| | context: after apt-get update --> apt-get upgrade on my root, apt-setup, oidentd and some mysql thinks dont work anymore |
| 12:11.23 | jm_ | ruzgar: uhm it was not for solving it, it was for info purposes |
| 12:11.25 | ruzgar | that happened after the update |
| 12:11.48 | resiak | Marshal|z0rg|: You don't say what version of Debian, or anything else like that. |
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| 12:12.00 | Marshal|z0rg| | sarge |
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| 12:12.18 | resiak | And maybe you should define "don't work", and pastebin any errors you are getting? |
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| 12:13.10 | wols_ | Marshal|z0rg|: you need to be roo. then apt-setup will work |
| 12:13.23 | vvillyvvo | how do I set the settings of wterm? :( |
| 12:13.29 | ruzgar | jm_ reinstalling the X can solve my problem ? |
| 12:13.31 | resiak | vvillyvvo: man wterm |
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| 12:13.55 | vvillyvvo | the man knows everything |
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| 12:14.13 | chimaera | hi. i'm using an external ieee1394-hardrive. unfortunately it's not automatically detected/displayed (kmedia). My usb-memory-stick is. how can i get the firewire-device working the same way? |
| 12:14.25 | ludwig | still having problems with migrating the NTUSER.DAT files from one samba install to another! |
| 12:14.29 | Marshal|z0rg| | i am root, apt-setup gives this output "command not found", oidentd wont start up, no message |
| 12:14.36 | zinosat | need to find all unicode values in a (large) text file: is it possible to do it using bash (sed, grep, etc)? |
| 12:14.37 | resiak | Marshal|z0rg|: Are they installed? |
| 12:14.56 | resiak | ludwig: You need sbp |
| 12:14.57 | resiak | erm |
| 12:15.05 | Marshal|z0rg| | everything wokred bfeor update, thats whats stange for me |
| 12:15.09 | wols_ | Marshal|z0rg|: did you install sarge from scratch or did you update woody? if you upgraded from woody you need a dist-upgrade |
| 12:15.11 | Marshal|z0rg| | damn, my spelling |
| 12:15.17 | Marshal|z0rg| | from scratch |
| 12:15.18 | resiak | ludwig: You need the sd_mod, sbp2 modules loaded, for starters |
| 12:15.27 | wols_ | Marshal|z0rg|: or you can try /usr/sbin/apt-setup |
| 12:15.34 | wols_ | if that works it's a simple path issue |
| 12:15.42 | chimaera | resiak: mean me? |
| 12:15.57 | resiak | argh, yes, yes I do |
| 12:16.09 | chimaera | resiak: well modules loaded, i can mount the device manually.. |
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| 12:16.16 | resiak | *shrug* |
| 12:17.09 | jm_ | ruzgar: possibly |
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| 12:19.54 | Loplin | hello |
| 12:20.14 | hondadude | help i sitll cant print all i get is client-error-not possible |
| 12:20.19 | Loplin | can anyone tell me, can you have apm and acpi enabled at the same time when compiling a kernel? |
| 12:20.33 | dererk | Welcome back |
| 12:20.37 | jm_ | Loplin: yes you can |
| 12:20.45 | Loplin | jm_: thanks |
| 12:20.58 | Marshal|z0rg| | /sbin/apt-setup |
| 12:20.58 | Marshal|z0rg| | -bash: /usr/sbin/apt-setup: No such file or directory |
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| 12:21.09 | Marshal|z0rg| | isnt wotking to |
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| 12:21.41 | Loplin | next, are there certain things that absolutely must be enabled to boot? I setup what I wanted to be included, but when I attempted to boot the kernel, I got a blank screen with a flashing curser at the bottom left |
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| 12:22.26 | datr1x | if I have an althon 64 processor is it better to install the amd version of debian or can I just install the i386 ? |
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| 12:23.15 | wols_ | the amd64 version is 64bit. it has some problems like no working flash plugin for browsers etc |
| 12:23.24 | wols_ | you can install either, whatever you want |
| 12:23.30 | SlayerXP | wols_: I call that a feature, not a bug |
| 12:23.36 | SlayerXP | "no flash crap!! woohoo!" |
| 12:23.37 | ludwig | resiak, what is SBP? |
| 12:23.44 | wols_ | SlayerXP: there is that |
| 12:23.54 | datr1x | yes thats why I asked the question I have found similar problems in xp |
| 12:24.11 | wols_ | Marshal|z0rg|: reinstall base-config. force reinstall if you must |
| 12:24.37 | Marshal|z0rg| | ok, ill try |
| 12:24.59 | wols_ | ludwig: it's always a good idea to include the controller drivers for the harddisk you boot from, your network cards and filesystems for / and /usr |
| 12:25.08 | Marshal|z0rg| | do you have an idea, why it works on one box, but not on another, after doing the same things to update |
| 12:25.29 | ludwig | wols_, actually, I have a Samba problem |
| 12:25.35 | ludwig | still having problems with migrating the NTUSER.DAT files from one samba install to another! |
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| 12:26.03 | wols_ | warhead: sorry, was aimed at datrix. should wake up first |
| 12:26.32 | wols_ | ludwig: your description really is nothing to go on. ie it doesn't tell us anything. try again |
| 12:27.34 | Marshal|z0rg| | wols, how can i force reinstall |
| 12:27.59 | wols_ | dpkg --force-help |
| 12:28.22 | wols_ | after that, check if there is a /usr/sbin/apt-setup executable file |
| 12:28.42 | ludwig | I reinstalled a system from zero, in special the Samba ... now I have a new PDC for a new domain - but still the old data. Everything is fine but for the NTUSER.DAT profiles, which windows does not import now (wrong user SID, I suppose) ... |
| 12:28.43 | Loplin | is MTD required for accessing system Ram? |
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| 12:30.30 | fireba11 | ludwig: tried #samba ? |
| 12:31.01 | wols_ | Loplin: IIRC no |
| 12:31.04 | ludwig | fireba11, #samba seems dead, no traffic |
| 12:31.13 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:31.23 | Loplin | wols: thanks |
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| 12:32.49 | fireba11 | ludwig: you need some patience there i know :-) |
| 12:33.06 | ludwig | fireba11, the whole morning nothing ... maybe I am on the wrong server? |
| 12:33.11 | ludwig | fireba11, IRC-server? |
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| 12:34.18 | dn4 | once I have access to a AP how do I find out all the other connections on that access point? |
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| 12:35.49 | nvz | dn4: you dont? |
| 12:36.00 | nvz | what exactly are you trying to do |
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| 12:37.07 | Knight_Lord | I'm having problem with fdisk and cfdisk. I have a 3TB array. That might be the problem. Can anyone help me, suggest a tool or a fix around it? |
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| 12:37.26 | Knight_Lord | cfdisk gives a simple "FATAL ERROR: Cannot get disk size" |
| 12:37.30 | dn4 | nvz, connect to my neighbors network and see who is on there |
| 12:37.31 | Marshal|z0rg| | what is special with the "volatile" package |
| 12:38.01 | nvz | dn4: heh, you cant do that. short of sniffing the airwaves |
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| 12:38.08 | Knight_Lord | fdisk gives "You must set cylinders. You can do this from the extra functions menu." |
| 12:38.23 | dn4 | nvz, the guy left his default password on the router, so if I have access to his router I can type http://192.168.1.1 and enter defaults and find out right? |
| 12:38.26 | nvz | dn4: you would need access to his gateway to see the dhcp table or something.. in any case its not something you should do |
| 12:38.30 | v1c3 | hi all: can someone sai me which is the right command to install the X server under "debian stable"??? thanks :D |
| 12:39.21 | v1c3 | I tried apt-get install xserver-xfree86.. and nothing to do |
| 12:39.36 | nvz | v1c3: apt-get install x-window-system(-core) |
| 12:39.42 | nvz | add -core if you want just the base |
| 12:39.48 | darrh00 | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 12:39.55 | dn4 | nvz, I really want to communicate with m y neighbors and combine the wireless AP into a larger one |
| 12:39.59 | dn4 | like all 3 of them together |
| 12:40.01 | dn4 | ah ideas? |
| 12:40.12 | v1c3 | lets try.. but I'm sure it won't works :( |
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| 12:40.43 | nvz | dn4: yeah setup a VPN or something |
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| 12:41.07 | v1c3 | Package (x-win..) has no candidate.... |
| 12:41.19 | beebop | if i want to install debian so i can have a basic environment & ability to setup wireless without needing a network what should i download? |
| 12:41.28 | v1c3 | may I add some repository to my source.list in apt? |
| 12:41.29 | resiak | ludwig: I didn't mean to address you. Sorry. |
| 12:41.30 | beebop | i thought maybe business card but nope.. need network |
| 12:41.32 | dn4 | nvz, not sure what a VPN would be useful for |
| 12:41.41 | resiak | v1c3: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 12:41.41 | ludwig | resiak, ok |
| 12:41.49 | beebop | what about netinstall? will that do it? |
| 12:41.56 | v1c3 | resiak: debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:42.01 | darrh00 | why kernel image in etch (kernel-image-2.6-686 linux-image-2.6-686) is so small in size? it only Need to get 37.2kB of archives,and after I install it,no kernel is there?is it broken now? |
| 12:42.07 | nvz | dn4: umm to tunnel services between the two networks connecting them |
| 12:42.09 | resiak | v1c3: pastebin your sources.list |
| 12:42.18 | v1c3 | k |
| 12:42.23 | beebop | v1c3 was that for me? |
| 12:42.33 | resiak | darrh00: linux-image-2.6-686 is a metapackage, which pulls in the latest 686-optimised 2.6 kernel |
| 12:42.35 | v1c3 | beebop: nope sotty |
| 12:42.43 | resiak | darrh00: if you already had that installed, then it won't do anything much |
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| 12:42.58 | resiak | darrh00: (until a new 2.6 comes out ,whereupon upgrading the metapackage will pull it in) |
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| 12:43.35 | dn4 | nvz, I am not sure what I gain from tunneling the services, would the AP still allow regular users access? |
| 12:43.56 | v1c3 | resiak: I've all the repositry with the comment |
| 12:44.03 | resiak | v1c3: why? |
| 12:44.06 | vvillyvvo | how do I tell debian I have an ATI ALL-IN-WONDER RADEON 9800 PRO video card? |
| 12:44.07 | nvz | dn4: I am not sure what other than stealing access to your neighbors network and internet you are trying to accomplish |
| 12:44.08 | resiak | v1c3: run apt-setup |
| 12:44.28 | nvz | dn4: to bridge two networks on different internet connections you generally use a VPN |
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| 12:44.42 | streuner | vvillyvvo: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 12:44.47 | v1c3 | resiak: is there a place where I can gett a good list with all the source site for apt? |
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| 12:45.08 | vvillyvvo | streunner: 1 sec, still booting |
| 12:45.13 | dn4 | hmm more research is nessary at this point |
| 12:45.17 | resiak | v1c3: run apt-setup |
| 12:45.20 | dn4 | I want to combine my network with his |
| 12:45.28 | v1c3 | resiak: k lets try |
| 12:45.42 | dn4 | so I can reach out more, creating a chain almost |
| 12:46.07 | dn4 | once I get 3 wireless AP up, is there a way to triangulate the points of access? |
| 12:46.09 | Knight_Lord | How can i get an fdisk to support partitions bigger than 2TB? |
| 12:46.35 | zamaliphe | how to replase a word in the all files |
| 12:46.51 | zamaliphe | i use grep -e "/boot/message" /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:46.55 | Knight_Lord | zamaliphe perl -e 's/word/word2/' |
| 12:46.59 | mod^ | is K8 like amd athlon 64? |
| 12:47.07 | Knight_Lord | same thing i guess |
| 12:47.15 | vvillyvvo | streunner: 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' returns: |
| 12:47.17 | nvz | dn4: no as you will only be connected to one at any given time.. if they are all virtually networked and transmitting data through tunnels I suppose you could make something to monitor which AP its on via hw address.. buts its not going to help much |
| 12:47.24 | nvz | dn4: this is why they invented GPS |
| 12:47.44 | v1c3 | resiak: done .. but even if it had the repository it's tagged with # infront |
| 12:48.09 | vvillyvvo | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone -bash: grep500: command not found |
| 12:48.12 | dn4 | nvz, hw? |
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| 12:48.31 | nvz | you know Hardware, the Media Access Control id |
| 12:48.47 | dn4 | oh |
| 12:48.48 | nvz | standard hw layer of networking |
| 12:48.54 | dn4 | Address: 00:0F:B5:FD:28:F0 |
| 12:49.47 | v1c3 | resiak: it's downloading the package thanks |
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| 12:50.03 | rolz14 | Hii |
| 12:50.06 | rolz14 | Pureone you here? |
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| 12:50.25 | rolz14 | lol |
| 12:50.36 | rolz14 | whois nixlabs |
| 12:50.37 | streuner | vvillyvvo: try 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and choose 'Ati' |
| 12:50.53 | pureone | :P |
| 12:50.54 | vvillyvvo | streunner I got grep working, new return: |
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| 12:51.48 | vvillyvvo | streunner: 500 ftp://mirrors.kernel.org stable/main Packages \n 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org sarge/main Packages |
| 12:52.44 | zamaliphe | Knight_Lord so how to replase : gfxmenu (hd0,4)/boot/message in the file zam.txt whith gfxmenu (hd0,4)/zam/zam ??? |
| 12:53.22 | zamaliphe | geav me exsample pleas ?? |
| 12:53.23 | vvillyvvo | streunner: I need to enter my video card's bus identifier |
| 12:53.47 | streuner | vvillyvvo: try 'streuner' NOT |
| 12:53.52 | streuner | 'streunner' |
| 12:54.04 | streuner | otherwise it won't highlight my nick... |
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| 12:54.20 | streuner | vvillyvvo: no, you don't need bus identifier |
| 12:54.20 | vvillyvvo | streuner: Oh im sorry... |
| 12:54.24 | streuner | better |
| 12:54.53 | vvillyvvo | i guess I should look up specs of my card to know memory used by it |
| 12:54.59 | resiak | you don't need it |
| 12:55.27 | streuner | if you don't know it better, why you are here? |
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| 12:55.46 | Loplin | should I compile with /dev support or udev ? |
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| 12:56.07 | resiak | Why are you rolling your own kernel? |
| 12:56.25 | Loplin | because cpufreq wasn't compiled into my kernel |
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| 12:56.45 | JThomas | hello |
| 12:57.04 | resiak | Loplin: It's in Debian's 2.6 images |
| 12:57.10 | vvillyvvo | streuner: What script is this that highlights names? |
| 12:57.20 | resiak | vvillyvvo: Any decent irc client |
| 12:57.27 | HeyJoe | is there an apt-get for ispconfig? |
| 12:57.32 | resiak | AIIII mIRC |
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| 12:58.13 | Loplin | resiak: well, I can't get it to work for the life of me |
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| 12:58.44 | resiak | apt-get install cpufreqd just worked for me |
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| 12:59.07 | Loplin | not me |
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| 12:59.34 | Loplin | using kernel_image-2.6.8.2-k7 |
| 12:59.40 | resiak | *shrug* |
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| 13:00.46 | Loplin | when I try to run it I get: analyzing CPU 0: no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU |
| 13:01.37 | wols_ | Loplin: what cpu is it? |
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| 13:02.35 | DragonWing5 | I'm running Debian sarge with gnome desktop and now my sidepanels are frozen. |
| 13:02.38 | Loplin | amd athlon xp |
| 13:02.40 | HeyJoe | Looks like not, but there should be an apt-get for ispconfig |
| 13:02.43 | Loplin | 2400+ |
| 13:02.54 | DragonWing5 | what can I do about that? |
| 13:03.25 | Loplin | I tried doing an insmod as suggested on some site I googled a while back (I am just now revisiting this problem) and that didnt work |
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| 13:04.11 | wols_ | amd athlonxp24000 doesn't have cpu frequency scaling at all, unless it's amobile athlonxp |
| 13:05.06 | \amethyst | DragonWing5: frozen as in completely unresponsive? |
| 13:05.15 | Loplin | hmm :/ |
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| 13:05.45 | DragonWing5 | \amethyst, yes exept for wanda the fish and ditrionary lookup. no menus, no icons |
| 13:05.46 | Loplin | is there anyway to slow it down at all? This fan is running all the time and it keeps it pretty loud |
| 13:05.53 | wols_ | Loplin: you need a mobile athlon or a64 |
| 13:06.03 | wols_ | 7V mod |
| 13:06.13 | wols_ | what is the temperature of the cpu? |
| 13:06.48 | Loplin | how do I check that? |
| 13:07.01 | wols_ | buy a cheap heatsink with 80mm fan instead of your current 60mm one. 80mm fans run around 2500rpm and sound better to the human ear, less annoying |
| 13:07.01 | Loplin | it was around 33-40 c when I checked in the bios |
| 13:07.16 | Loplin | well |
| 13:07.19 | wols_ | run prime95 for a bit, then press reset and look immediately in the bios |
| 13:07.23 | Loplin | I went and bought one yesterday |
| 13:07.29 | wols_ | anything under 60 should be ok, ideally 50° C |
| 13:07.39 | Loplin | I see |
| 13:07.48 | Loplin | actually, I'm not sure of the size |
| 13:08.10 | \amethyst | DragonWing5: you can try going to a terminal and doing killall gnome-panel; gnome-panel & |
| 13:08.19 | vvillyvvo | are there any terminals besides aterm eterm and wterm that are capable of window transparency |
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| 13:08.54 | jetscreamer | konsole ... |
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| 13:10.18 | DragonWing5 | \amethyst, done that. the panels all reappeared automatic. everthing looks fine but hte clock isn't showing and the panel remains frozen |
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| 13:11.40 | \amethyst | DragonWing5: hmm... is your CPU usage or load average abnormally high? |
| 13:11.47 | streuner | vvillyvvo: aterm |
| 13:12.08 | ft | vvillyvvo: urxvt |
| 13:12.10 | DragonWing5 | \amethyst, no. both around 0% |
| 13:12.19 | streuner | !info urxvt |
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| 13:12.44 | streuner | dpkg, find urxvt |
| 13:12.44 | Loplin | wols: the heat sink I bought was smaller, but made of copper instead of whatever the default heatsink was, should I put the old heat sink on instead? |
| 13:12.53 | \amethyst | DragonWing5: is gnome-settings-daemon running? |
| 13:12.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'urxvt' (3): (/usr/share/zsh/4.3.0-dev-2/functions/Completion/X/_urxvt) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.0-dev-3/functions/Completion/X/_urxvt) in shells/zsh-beta ;; (/usr/lib/urxvt/urxvt.pm, /usr/lib/urxvt/perl/urxvt-popup, /usr/bin/{urxvt|urxvtc|urxvtd}) in x11/rxvt-unicode,x11/rxvt-unicode-ml,x11/rxvt-unicode-lite. |
| 13:13.10 | zamaliphe | replace "/boot/message" "/boot/zam" -- zam.txt |
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| 13:13.23 | \amethyst | DragonWing5: and bonobo-activation-server? |
| 13:13.28 | streuner | ft: never heard of that one, which distro do you use? |
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| 13:13.37 | zamaliphe | how to do that using sed ??? |
| 13:13.41 | zamaliphe | replace "/boot/message" "/boot/zam" -- zam.txt |
| 13:13.48 | \amethyst | DragonWing5: And did restarting gnome fix anything? |
| 13:13.56 | wols_ | Loplin: just put a 80mm fan on it instead of a 60mm one |
| 13:14.03 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 13:14.05 | wols_ | the bigger the fan the better basically |
| 13:14.08 | \amethyst | zamaliphe: could you be more clear? |
| 13:14.15 | ft | streuner: it's rxvt-unicode; sid |
| 13:14.22 | wols_ | at least from a noise perspective. what's the heatsinks name/maker? |
| 13:14.22 | Fox_1_ | does vsftpd support virtual hosts by name???? |
| 13:14.23 | streuner | ft: yes |
| 13:14.31 | \amethyst | zamaliphe: you want to replace "message" with "zam", or /boot/anything with "/boot/zam", or what? |
| 13:14.56 | DragonWing5 | \amethyst, I did restart GDM hoping it would fix it |
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| 13:15.14 | DragonWing5 | \amethyst, those two things are running |
| 13:15.18 | \amethyst | DragonWing5: hrm |
| 13:15.35 | Loplin | wols: heres what I bought from a local computer store : http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-77-1.htm |
| 13:15.44 | Loplin | wols: that replaced what I had |
| 13:15.44 | \amethyst | DragonWing5: can you get a right click menu on the things that aren't working? |
| 13:15.55 | \amethyst | zamaliphe: what do you want to replace with what? |
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| 13:16.34 | DragonWing5 | \amethyst, I killed the clock applet |
| 13:16.48 | wols_ | from the review: Really, REALLY loud |
| 13:16.54 | Loplin | heh |
| 13:16.56 | DragonWing5 | and got a question if I wanted to remove it from the panel (anwered yes |
| 13:16.59 | \amethyst | DragonWing5: what happens if you create a new panel and move them there? |
| 13:17.03 | DragonWing5 | now it's all fine |
| 13:17.04 | Loplin | so I need to get a bigger fan and do the 7v mod |
| 13:17.08 | \amethyst | DragonWing5: hm |
| 13:17.11 | wols_ | how much did it cost? you could try to use a different fan on it if you can mount it |
| 13:17.14 | \amethyst | DragonWing5: ah, was it just the clock? |
| 13:17.20 | wols_ | 80mm, 2500rpm |
| 13:17.21 | \amethyst | I mean, do the menus and things work now? |
| 13:17.30 | Loplin | 15$, the guy gave me a discount because they ran out of what I wanted |
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| 13:17.31 | DragonWing5 | \amethyst, yes, just the clock... now I'm fine again |
| 13:17.43 | Zapelius | What do i need to upgrade/change to get rid of "Invalid bytecode for this architecture" (i386 vs i486) with a cc'd perl script? Its a quite old 'testing' distro, about a year w/o upgrade |
| 13:17.48 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 13:18.05 | DragonWing5 | \amethyst, thanks for the help |
| 13:18.05 | Loplin | I was looking for a cpu fan that would automatically slow down if the cpu wasn't too hot |
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| 13:18.14 | \amethyst | DragonWing5: np |
| 13:18.29 | wols_ | Loplin: those all suck unless you can control it yourself |
| 13:18.34 | sivana | to secure root from remote login, do I just change the shell to /bin/false? |
| 13:18.37 | DragonWing5 | goodbye |
| 13:18.39 | DragonWing5 | exit |
| 13:18.43 | DragonWing5 | quit |
| 13:18.49 | streuner | vvillyvvo: did you get X to work? |
| 13:18.49 | sivana | haha |
| 13:18.50 | wols_ | sivana: you change your ssh config |
| 13:18.55 | Cae2 | Hi, in another machines every time that I upgrade a kernel to 2.6.14.3 I need to change configs from hda to sda (SATA disk) but now I have a machine that doesnt work with sda, just hda.. I'm forgetting something? |
| 13:18.56 | jm_ | sivana: in that case you won't be able to login lcoally either |
| 13:19.03 | sivana | ok, I see |
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| 13:19.30 | Loplin | wols: would getting a case fan help? |
| 13:19.48 | streuner | vvillyvvo: if not, check this out: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 13:19.52 | sivana | wols_: PermitRootLogin yes <-- change that? |
| 13:20.03 | wols_ | yes |
| 13:20.21 | wols_ | Loplin: depends. case temp (from the mobo) should be at ~30° at most |
| 13:20.23 | sivana | beauty... thank you |
| 13:20.25 | mirak | is there a way to build a package from source .deb and to build a modified version of the files with debuild ? |
| 13:20.37 | wols_ | so if it's significantly hotter, yes get a case fan |
| 13:20.52 | wols_ | mirak: yes there is. just edit it before you build it |
| 13:20.59 | zam_aliphe | hi |
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| 13:21.20 | mirak | wols_: it doesn't want to build it |
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| 13:21.54 | mirak | dpkg-source: building compiz in compiz_0.0.2-4ubuntu2.dsc |
| 13:21.54 | mirak | dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source |
| 13:21.54 | zam_aliphe | i have been desconickt then find my name is still in use ?? |
| 13:22.17 | wols_ | mirak: are you running dbeian or ubuntu? |
| 13:22.25 | streuner | mirak: #ubuntu |
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| 13:22.37 | wols_ | also, you might have made an error when changing it? |
| 13:22.46 | mirak | wols_ stream who cares it's debian or ubuntu the build tool is the same |
| 13:22.55 | wols_ | streuner: well, jury is out. he wouldn't need to change anything if he ran ubuntu, would he? |
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| 13:23.05 | mirak | wols_: I just applied a patch |
| 13:23.05 | wols_ | mirak: NO we DO care |
| 13:23.19 | mirak | wols_: I though it was an integrity check that must be by passed |
| 13:23.28 | wols_ | mirak: go to ubuntu and leave us alone. we can only help if you run debian |
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| 13:23.33 | zam_aliphe | hi \amethyst |
| 13:23.43 | mirak | wols_: loser |
| 13:23.59 | wols_ | please refrain from namecalling |
| 13:24.02 | streuner | mirak: you want leave us now |
| 13:24.12 | mirak | streuner: I am already gone |
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| 13:25.36 | mirak | ubuntu is just upsetting you or something |
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| 13:25.53 | \amethyst | zam_aliphe: sorry, was afk |
| 13:25.54 | streuner | mirak: we don't care, its OT here |
| 13:25.54 | mirak | that's not cool |
| 13:25.55 | mirak | bye |
| 13:26.01 | \amethyst | zamaliphe: what did you want to replace with what? |
| 13:27.02 | mirak | streuner: wouldn't my question applied if I used a package name without ubutun in it ? franckly and objectively I doubt it. Also I asked first in ubuntu channel ... |
| 13:27.12 | dobster | hi. I've installed debian sarge and wonder why there are so many entries in /etc/securetty. I have tty1 - tty63 for starters. None of them are commented so I assume I can login as root from all of them |
| 13:27.14 | zam_aliphe | so i have been desconekt \amethyst |
| 13:27.16 | mirak | not apply I mean |
| 13:27.18 | elizabetherbes | not sure |
| 13:27.36 | \amethyst | zam_aliphe: you were wanting to do something with sed? |
| 13:27.39 | streuner | mirak: you still didn't unterstand that both are *different* distros |
| 13:27.49 | dobster | I'm learning about security so wonder if I should allow only tty1 and tty2 perhaps |
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| 13:28.06 | blondie | mirak: you have an ID-ten-T error |
| 13:28.15 | Loplin | wols: do you know what test I want to run with prime95? |
| 13:28.15 | mirak | streuner: but they are not different on that level |
| 13:28.22 | jm_ | dobster: do you know what /dev/tty[0-9\+ devices represent? |
| 13:28.23 | blondie | mirak: we don't care |
| 13:28.25 | mirak | blondie: I use debian also |
| 13:28.34 | blondie | is this problem on a debian system? |
| 13:28.35 | \amethyst | dobster: those are still all virtual terminals, at the console |
| 13:28.37 | elizabetherbes | dont understand, how to use |
| 13:28.38 | mirak | blondie: no, you do care a lot it seems |
| 13:28.43 | \amethyst | dobster: other than the ttyS0 entry |
| 13:28.43 | dobster | jm_: they're just the different consoles that you can log in from yeah? |
| 13:28.52 | elizabetherbes | oook |
| 13:28.55 | blondie | mirak: we don't care about the problem, we do care about you asking irrelevent questions |
| 13:29.00 | vvillyvvo | Hey, when you replace a card isn't it basically operating? |
| 13:29.02 | \amethyst | dobster: they're there in case you want to run 64 vts |
| 13:29.23 | jm_ | dobster: right, so why do you think enabling only 1 and 2 will make it more secure? |
| 13:29.28 | dorel | uhmmm, kontact is only contact list, right? no calendar there... |
| 13:29.30 | mirak | blondie: no, you care I am using a different distro even if the building application is the same |
| 13:29.51 | mirak | blondie: like if I ask a question on grep, I could I ask it on mandriva channel, I would have the same answer |
| 13:29.52 | dobster | you can have 64 separate login consoles? |
| 13:29.57 | blondie | mirak: so what |
| 13:29.57 | jm_ | yes |
| 13:30.08 | streuner | mirak: WE support *debian* |
| 13:30.08 | blondie | mirak: if you're using ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu |
| 13:30.15 | dobster | as for security, I'm trying to arrange that root only be able to login from the terminal on 1 or 2 |
| 13:30.16 | blondie | whether it's the same or not is irrelevent |
| 13:30.24 | zam_aliphe | replace "/boot/message" with "/boot/zam" in the file zam.txt \amethyst ?? |
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| 13:30.25 | wols_ | Loplin:tortute test |
| 13:30.34 | wols_ | run it for half an hour or so |
| 13:30.37 | mirak | streuner: are the dpkg version different in debian or ubuntu ? |
| 13:30.43 | blondie | mirak: go away |
| 13:30.45 | mirak | blondie: I already asked |
| 13:30.50 | klarakarl | I am having trouble creating initrd with yaird using 2.6.15 and yaird from backports |
| 13:30.50 | klarakarl | evms swap plugin is unable to load complaining about a function that is not implemented |
| 13:30.54 | EdLin | mirak: /topic |
| 13:30.56 | blondie | mirak: so? |
| 13:31.00 | wols_ | Loplin: of course you could also install lm_sensors but that's probably more involved if better longterm for temp checks |
| 13:31.09 | EdLin | mirak: if you want to ask a non-distro-specific question, go to ##linux |
| 13:31.12 | Loplin | I tried install lm_sensors |
| 13:31.22 | blondie | mirak: why should we support ubuntu just because people in #ubuntu won't? |
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| 13:31.33 | mirak | blondie: so that problem would be the same on that very same box that is running debian just at my right, lol |
| 13:31.44 | blondie | mirak: IRRELEVENT |
| 13:31.46 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 13:31.46 | blondie | just shut up |
| 13:31.46 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 13:31.47 | wols_ | blondie: especially since we don't know much about ubuntu in the first place |
| 13:31.55 | mirak | blondie: you are just bitter people |
| 13:31.59 | vvillyvvo | "screwdriver" "dustoff" "scapul" |
| 13:32.01 | blondie | mirak: whatever |
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| 13:32.13 | pngwn | heh |
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| 13:32.33 | pngwn | 'bitter people' geezus... |
| 13:32.36 | blondie | mirak: it really is VERY simple - this channel is for help with debian problems |
| 13:32.38 | Loplin | wols_: I only see lm_sensors for 2.4 kernel though :/ |
| 13:32.39 | wols_ | mirak: we aren't. we just have enough to do supporting debian, we can't support ubuntu too |
| 13:34.02 | blondie | it's not a debian problem, so don't ask it here |
| 13:34.02 | mirak | wols_: it's a support question about dpkg |
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| 13:34.02 | wols_ | Loplin: 2.6 comes already with lm_sensors built in the normal kernel |
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| 13:34.03 | Loplin | oh, how do I make use of it? |
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| 13:34.04 | wols_ | mirak: debian also ships with rpm. should now all fedora core people come here to ask us about rpm questions? |
| 13:34.04 | EdLin | !topicsmite mirak |
| 13:34.04 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon mirak. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 13:34.04 | blondie | mirak: it's not a debian question. how many times do you need telling? |
| 13:34.11 | wols_ | Loplin: lm-sensors |
| 13:34.18 | \amethyst | mirak: One could argue that, by choosing Ubuntu over Debian, you chose ubuntu support channels over debian ones :) |
| 13:34.28 | wols_ | Loplin: install that |
| 13:34.31 | TraceGreen | hello, i want to learn visualization software such as vmware, i want to know how does it work, any ideas? |
| 13:34.40 | \amethyst | which is a factor to consider when picking an OS |
| 13:35.25 | mirak | blondie: I will ask that same question in a few hours and got my answer by just not talking about ubuntu |
| 13:35.29 | wols_ | TraceGreen: ask xen people. basically these software catches exceptions inside the client OS and processes them, like when the client OS wants to execute a priviledged instruction which it can't do since it doesn't run in ring0 |
| 13:35.46 | mirak | and since I will do that also on my debian box next |
| 13:35.52 | EdLin | !topicbadger mirak |
| 13:35.52 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that mirak didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 13:35.56 | TraceGreen | wols_, thanks. |
| 13:36.09 | \amethyst | mirak: Just don't say "haha its ubuntu suckers!!" afterwards and you should be fine :) |
| 13:36.09 | blondie | mirak: not if you get kickbanned first |
| 13:36.12 | blondie | ;) |
| 13:36.30 | mirak | blondie: that why I said I will do that modification on debian as well |
| 13:36.31 | Loplin | wols_:I installed that and xsensors |
| 13:36.46 | wols_ | there is a "detect_sensors" |
| 13:36.48 | blondie | mirak: go back to windows |
| 13:36.50 | mirak | blondie: since I have a computer running debian |
| 13:36.50 | stew | mirak: when it spits out "unrepresentable changes" it should have told you why. like a missing trailining newline, or converting a file to a symlink, you need to fix that |
| 13:37.05 | blondie | mirak: how nice, I have one running Solaris |
| 13:37.09 | wols_ | or you need to visit the lm-sensors homepage and pray someone already got your mobo to work with it |
| 13:37.13 | wols_ | what mobo is it? |
| 13:37.35 | Loplin | eh |
| 13:37.46 | streuner | stew: you didn't follow the convo? |
| 13:37.55 | stew | streuner: yes, i did |
| 13:37.55 | mirak | stew: ok, thanks. I prefer not talk about that anymore for sometime now |
| 13:38.06 | Loplin | wols_: via vt8235? |
| 13:38.15 | streuner | stew: so make us a favorite /j #ubuntu and help him there |
| 13:38.20 | wols_ | Loplin: no. that's your soutbridge |
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| 13:38.30 | wols_ | something like Asus A7V333 or whatever |
| 13:38.45 | mirak | that's just absurd lol |
| 13:38.54 | mirak | ok bye |
| 13:38.57 | \amethyst | mirak: just run if [ -f /etc/ubuntu_version ]; rm -rf /; fi before all the commands and people here should leave you alone :) |
| 13:39.06 | wols_ | no it's proper. now finally make your promise true and leave us as you siad repeatedly before |
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| 13:39.16 | wols_ | or if you don't get the nice hint: FOAD |
| 13:39.24 | mirak | \amethyst: how fun |
| 13:39.44 | stew | wols_: there's no need for that, please just use ignore |
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| 13:39.44 | \amethyst | mirak: you can temporarily rename it to debian_version :) |
| 13:39.47 | wols_ | stew: there IS. ready the topic |
| 13:39.59 | wols_ | his questions are NOT debian questions. instead he is trolling the channel now |
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| 13:40.10 | wols_ | his only saving grace is that there is no ops around |
| 13:40.19 | stew | wols_: ask an op for assistance, then, don't get nasty |
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| 13:40.35 | Loplin | wols: am37 |
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| 13:40.43 | streuner | stew: no, nasty is what you did, you ignoring the /topic |
| 13:40.48 | EdLin | !ops mirak insists on asking ubuntu questions |
| 13:40.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: mirak insists on asking ubuntu questions |
| 13:40.49 | wols_ | Loplin: that can't be true either |
| 13:40.52 | streuner | stew: read /topic |
| 13:40.59 | stew | streuner: i've read the topic |
| 13:41.00 | \amethyst | As I understand he's trying to build a package with ubuntu patches on both ubuntu and debian |
| 13:41.13 | cam | hi, i'm gonna move my actual debian to a bigger drive ... Assuming hda is the old drive and hdb the new one, partitionning & moving files are ok .. but how can I install grub on the new drive ? |
| 13:41.17 | streuner | stew: hm, you did read it, but you don't care |
| 13:41.28 | jm_ | cam: man grub-install |
| 13:41.31 | wols_ | cam: man grub-install |
| 13:41.36 | cam | ok |
| 13:41.45 | IzEBaLL | hello! does anyone know why the hda=remap63 bootparameter is ignored with debian etch kernel 2.6.15 but still runs fine with the old 2.6.8-kernel of debian sarge? |
| 13:41.50 | EdLin | \amethyst: he only started claiming that he would build it on Debian too when he found out that Ubuntu support isn't forthcoming |
| 13:41.53 | \amethyst | So certainly half the question, if not necessarily the half he asked about, was relevant |
| 13:42.18 | Loplin | wols_: why not? I dont see it on my board anywhere so I checked what comes with my computer model |
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| 13:42.31 | wols_ | amee2k: read what edlin said. there is no trust anymore. we can't see if there really is a debian running anywhere near him |
| 13:42.32 | \amethyst | EdLin: I'm applying hanlon's razor :) |
| 13:42.39 | wols_ | but we DO know he is running ubuntu |
| 13:42.39 | mirak | \amethyst: no it's an external patch. My question was if i could modify a .deb source package without breaking any integrity check. |
| 13:43.08 | mirak | wols_: could you stop that discution |
| 13:43.10 | mirak | thanks |
| 13:43.20 | wols_ | Loplin: cause there is no boardname like that I know and it doesn't look like one a mobomaker would name a via (probably kt400) board either |
| 13:43.32 | wols_ | and you didn't say which company made the mobo |
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| 13:43.50 | wols_ | mirak: not unless you stop asking ubuntu questions here |
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| 13:43.58 | Loplin | well, its from an emachines computer, do they make their own? |
| 13:43.59 | EdLin | mirak: since the integrity checks for Debian stable and Ubuntu differ, that makes it even more an Ubuntu question. |
| 13:44.14 | prh | anyone pondered nomitaing andrew suffield for DPL ? |
| 13:44.16 | wols_ | Loplin: no clue actually. emachines doesn't exist here in europe |
| 13:44.19 | stew | mirak: are you building this on ubuntu or debian? |
| 13:44.19 | \amethyst | So answer about the Debian checks and not the Ubuntu ones |
| 13:44.22 | stew | EdLin: they do? how? |
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| 13:44.52 | EdLin | stew: Ubuntu probably uses PKI now, like Debian sid |
| 13:44.53 | streuner | stew: scroll up, what he said, it seems you didn't read what he wrote |
| 13:45.01 | Loplin | wols_: well, I left the board manual somewhere else, I'll pick it up when I get a new fan |
| 13:45.02 | mirak | stew: sorry, I prefer just leave |
| 13:45.06 | streuner | stew: he using ubuntu |
| 13:45.13 | stew | streuner: he said he is using both |
| 13:45.15 | mirak | leave the bitter people :) |
| 13:45.42 | streuner | stew: yes, but not in this case |
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| 13:46.00 | wols_ | stew: AFTER we said we wouldn't support ubuntu. saying he uses both is a common tactic of those guys. I know for a fact he is using ubuntu, but for debian I only have is (probably) lying word |
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| 13:46.08 | wols_ | so we can't trust his words there simple |
| 13:46.09 | stew | prh: the nomination period is over, and you can't nominate someone else, only yourself |
| 13:46.19 | mirak | my xchat crashed don't worry I leave lol |
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| 13:47.32 | streuner | stew: and besides who is nasty, those people who come to your house hitting your door and you say 10 times no and those guys still do it? |
| 13:47.40 | stew | streuner: please /ignore stew |
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| 13:47.59 | stew | streuner: and /ignore anyone else that might be bothering you |
| 13:48.09 | Loplin | crap, I dont have enough power connectors coming out of my powersupply for a case fan :/ |
| 13:48.15 | wols_ | stew: better ignore us since you want to, not us |
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| 13:48.35 | stew | Loplin: time to break out the soldering iron |
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| 13:48.50 | wols_ | molex connectors are not soldered |
| 13:48.59 | wols_ | better get a Y connector for it |
| 13:49.18 | \amethyst | Y connector? electrical tape should be enough |
| 13:49.34 | IzEBaLL | and never forget, Loplin: just because there aren't enough connectors doesn't mean, that the powersupply can't handle it ;) |
| 13:49.40 | wols_ | that looks crappy and is prone to failure |
| 13:49.44 | SimonRaven | read my fricking mind |
| 13:49.48 | fireba11 | \amethyst: you don't want to do that ^^ |
| 13:49.52 | \amethyst | wols_: depends on whether you know how to splice |
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| 13:50.02 | Loplin | it looks like I have a 3 prong connector on my board for a 'sys fan' though |
| 13:50.05 | \amethyst | I don't, but I've had a friend do it for me |
| 13:50.14 | wols_ | a y connector is cheap and splices very well. what you suggest is a kludge |
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| 13:50.24 | stew | wols_: yeah, you know how you can make them less prone to failure? solder them... |
| 13:50.28 | fireba11 | \amethyst: if you mess up you toast a couple hundred bucks of hardware if you are unlucky |
| 13:50.31 | wols_ | I won't say I did that myself, but I won't advice it to others :) |
| 13:50.34 | Loplin | do case fans come in the 3 prong connector variety? and what would I split? the power to a cdrom drive? |
| 13:50.55 | blondie | Loplin: they come in both |
| 13:50.56 | wols_ | stew: solder were? |
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| 13:51.07 | \amethyst | wols_: did I mention the same guy once terminated a 10Base-2 network with some spare resistors out of a floppy drive? |
| 13:51.11 | dvm1981 | Loplin: A thing that is less used as the HDD for example!? |
| 13:51.12 | wols_ | molex are very flimsy as it is, more soldering doesn't help them |
| 13:51.13 | stew | were, are, and will be |
| 13:51.16 | blondie | solder the wires together instead of just twisting and taping |
| 13:51.24 | SimonRaven | alright solder, come to attention |
| 13:51.48 | Loplin | okay |
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| 13:51.54 | wols_ | Loplin: a case fan only uses a few W. compared to your CPU/mobo this is nothing |
| 13:51.58 | wols_ | use whatever you want |
| 13:52.13 | Loplin | yeah, I'll see what they have at the store |
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| 13:53.28 | Loplin | I'll be back in abit |
| 13:53.33 | Loplin | thanks for the help |
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| 13:54.22 | \amethyst | So, how was that a debian question? |
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| 13:54.53 | wols_ | it wasn't. but it was no ubuntu or any othre distro question either |
| 13:54.56 | wols_ | loplin does run dbeian |
| 13:55.09 | dvm1981 | Karamba |
| 13:55.21 | dvm1981 | Or Superkaramba?? |
| 13:55.33 | amee2k | is there a way to get bash report script errors more verbose? |
| 13:55.33 | dvm1981 | A nice thing that :-/ |
| 13:55.53 | \amethyst | wols_: fair enough, perhaps the topic could make the distinction more clear? |
| 13:55.59 | wols_ | the problem with other distros is not so much that we can't support them (tho to a degree this is true), but that we just can't manpower wise. this channel would be even worse when all those gazillion debian derived distros would come here for support |
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| 13:56.03 | wols_ | so it's simple self defense |
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| 13:56.38 | dvm1981 | Like there are already many people here, it's very active here!!! |
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| 14:02.27 | kyncani | amee2k: no, except if you mean set -x |
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| 14:02.37 | Petaris | with the last k3b update (on unstable) the k3bsetup screen is empty, anyone know how to fix this? |
| 14:02.53 | amee2k | that what i just did. |
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| 14:03.02 | stew | Petaris: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 14:03.12 | amee2k | is it possible that bash doesn't like dos-style line breaks in scripts? |
| 14:03.13 | kyncani | amee2k: well, then just no :) |
| 14:03.41 | R1CHARD | hi some configure cgiirc in Sarge? |
| 14:03.54 | R1CHARD | hi, someone configure cgiirc in Sarge? |
| 14:04.05 | SlayerXP | R1CHARD: yes, someone did. |
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| 14:04.08 | amee2k | bash keeps gibing me "+ $'\r'" and ": command not found" |
| 14:04.10 | wols_ | !someone |
| 14:04.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:04.13 | stew | amee2k: iirc you will get a "Missing command interpreter" or some such message if you have a dos style line break in the line with th eshebang |
| 14:04.20 | tarzeau | !beep |
| 14:04.20 | dpkg | from memory, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 14:04.23 | R1CHARD | I have this mssge *** Access Denied: No connections allowed |
| 14:04.28 | stew | amee2k: /msg dpkg dos2unix |
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| 14:04.43 | SlayerXP | R1CHARD: that will be because access is denied. I suspect that connections are not being allowed. |
| 14:04.46 | amee2k | ty |
| 14:04.47 | \amethyst | Hrm... I wonder if this flash mass storage device is smart enough to not always store the FAT's sectors in the same place |
| 14:04.55 | wols_ | SlayerXP: wonderful :) |
| 14:05.14 | R1CHARD | # Safe default configuration: Access only for localnet. |
| 14:05.14 | SlayerXP | wols_: danke :) |
| 14:05.14 | R1CHARD | #127.0.0.0/8 |
| 14:05.18 | wols_ | RichiH: either your cgi might not be configure correctory (e.g. the cgi directory) or some file permissions are wrong |
| 14:05.27 | R1CHARD | this is my configuration in ipacces |
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| 14:05.47 | R1CHARD | I dont hace a restrictions |
| 14:06.04 | wols_ | in your apache configs |
| 14:06.14 | R1CHARD | hum |
| 14:06.21 | R1CHARD | I Will review in apache |
| 14:06.54 | R1CHARD | but, I think the problem is in the configuration of cgiirc |
| 14:07.04 | R1CHARD | I will review in Apache |
| 14:07.05 | \amethyst | R1CHARD: that file |
| 14:07.22 | \amethyst | R1CHARD: it had two commented-out lines and no others? |
| 14:07.33 | R1CHARD | ipacces or cgiirc.config? |
| 14:07.40 | R1CHARD | no |
| 14:07.48 | \amethyst | R1CHARD: the one you pasted that had #127.0.0.0/8 |
| 14:07.49 | R1CHARD | my original lines are # Safe default configuration: Access only for localnet. |
| 14:07.49 | R1CHARD | 127.0.0.0/8 |
| 14:07.56 | R1CHARD | without commentes |
| 14:08.09 | \amethyst | R1CHARD: and you can't access it from localhost? |
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| 14:08.35 | R1CHARD | I need to connect to irc.debian.org for example |
| 14:09.09 | \amethyst | R1CHARD: read the docs for the package, see if that is what you need to change |
| 14:09.33 | R1CHARD | yes I reades the example of cgiirc.vonfig |
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| 14:09.57 | R1CHARD | I re - review and return |
| 14:10.10 | R1CHARD | I will review again and return |
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| 14:11.07 | R1CHARD | thanks |
| 14:12.07 | stew | R1CHARD: if you haven't already, read whatever is available in /usr/share/doc/cgiirc |
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| 14:12.45 | R1CHARD | yes, there are the examples |
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| 14:13.03 | R1CHARD | and in /etc/cgiirc are my configure files |
| 14:13.17 | R1CHARD | is right? |
| 14:13.32 | stew | R1CHARD: sounds right |
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| 14:14.05 | R1CHARD | now, I in the demo of the cgiirc.sourceforge.net and i won't connect to this demo :S |
| 14:14.19 | R1CHARD | now, I'm in the demo of the cgiirc.sourceforge.net and i won't connect to this demo :S |
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| 14:14.31 | R1CHARD | I can't :s |
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| 14:23.22 | MatBoy | Hi all ! |
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| 14:23.56 | fireba11 | MatBoy: hi .. need any help ? |
| 14:24.56 | nvz | hah, I found some roaches on the floor |
| 14:25.18 | MatBoy | I used Debian before, I'm in a discussion with someone about the fact that Testing shouldn't be in a production enviroment... I disagree with that.. I think it can perfectly |
| 14:25.38 | nvz | MatBoy: I'm sure that all depends on the admin |
| 14:26.07 | MatBoy | nvz, yes indeed... it's a FreeBSD freak :S |
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| 14:26.15 | dvm1981 | MatBoy: Debian want to give THE best quality! |
| 14:26.17 | nvz | MatBoy: if you pay attention enough to keep up to date on security issues, and also to avoid any breakage, then sure. where as in stable thats all done for you by the DDs |
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| 14:26.50 | nvz | MatBoy: this person may not need the newer software, and doesnt want the added workload of following a moving target |
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| 14:27.30 | Estes2 | Hi everyone :) I got a machine that is pretty fast when i access it but it routes to an other machine, and when i access this other machine throught it, it's very slow. both machines ping normaly.... Any idea ? |
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| 14:27.49 | MatBoy | The Person is thinking that everything that is written on a website is better than the actual truth |
| 14:27.49 | wols_ | MatBoy: only use testing if what you need can't be found in stable |
| 14:27.50 | MatBoy | :) |
| 14:27.52 | flart | MatBoy: depends on what the machine is doing |
| 14:27.58 | wols_ | of course the older stable is the more likely that gets |
| 14:28.03 | kon | what is the difference between php5-mysql and php5-mysqli |
| 14:28.19 | MatBoy | I think for webservers is Testing a better idea |
| 14:28.49 | Estes2 | MatBoy, i think you are wrong |
| 14:28.49 | flart | MatBoy: why? |
| 14:28.56 | dvm1981 | kon: The mysqlcli? |
| 14:29.01 | stew | MatBoy: it certainly used to be the case that testing was a very bad idea for a production environment becuase testing doesn't get security updates |
| 14:29.03 | Estes2 | unless you accept the idea of an eventual downtime |
| 14:29.07 | kon | ah this is cli! thanks |
| 14:29.15 | flart | MatBoy: our webserver is perfectly running on stable |
| 14:29.15 | dvm1981 | kon: The command line interface for mysql? |
| 14:29.26 | stew | MatBoy: however recently security support was added for testing, but i'm not sure how prompt it is |
| 14:29.29 | kon | yep thanks dvm1981 |
| 14:29.32 | MatBoy | stable @ this moment is OK i think... but before I used testing |
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| 14:29.39 | nvz | MatBoy: I think stable is. but if you need newer software in testing like more recent PHP and such, and as I said can handle the extra work involved with keeping a system in development runing production.. then go for it |
| 14:29.50 | MatBoy | Stable was too old before Sarge |
| 14:30.01 | stew | MatBoy: and testing was insecure |
| 14:30.01 | nvz | MatBoy: even still if you need that software so bad you can always backport it or something |
| 14:30.13 | MatBoy | yep indeed |
| 14:30.23 | flart | the current testing is just too much testing at the moment imho ;) |
| 14:31.08 | nvz | MatBoy: bottom line is you are responsible for your choices so do what you want. Change things if you want, accept the things you cant change, and know the difference between what is in your control and what is not. |
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| 14:31.55 | flart | ...and don't come back and ask how to downgrad to stable ;) *scnr* |
| 14:32.04 | wols_ | nvz: backporting gives you the same trouble testing do, just worse: there is no official team for the backport |
| 14:32.10 | nvz | heh |
| 14:32.27 | wols_ | flart: amen |
| 14:32.52 | flart | ramen (!) |
| 14:32.53 | R1CHARD | Coold |
| 14:32.57 | R1CHARD | Cool |
| 14:33.02 | R1CHARD | My cgiirc run :D |
| 14:33.28 | wols_ | flart: hedonist, thinking only with your stomach |
| 14:33.36 | R1CHARD | I download cgiirc.config.full and rename to cgiirc.config :p |
| 14:33.37 | R1CHARD | ggg |
| 14:33.41 | R1CHARD | thanks |
| 14:33.47 | flart | wols_: ? |
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| 14:34.32 | wols_ | I take that back. more "epicurean" :) |
| 14:35.22 | flart | oh, because of "ramen"? |
| 14:35.43 | flart | don't you know the allmighty flying spaghetti monster? ;) |
| 14:36.02 | MatBoy | Guy's I know enough :) |
| 14:36.33 | v1c3_ | is there a apt guru around :)?? |
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| 14:37.06 | v1c3_ | I'm getting this error [Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_stable_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 14:37.07 | v1c3_ | ] |
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| 14:41.36 | fireba11 | v1c3: no wonder |
| 14:41.39 | dvm1981 | R1CHARD: Where was the problem? |
| 14:41.41 | v1c3_ | :( |
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| 14:42.00 | fireba11 | v1c3: should be deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
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| 14:42.21 | MatBoy | Thank ! |
| 14:42.22 | MatBoy | s |
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| 14:42.35 | v1c3_ | fireball: lets try to change it |
| 14:42.53 | v1c3_ | fireball: is there around a well updated source.list ? |
| 14:43.13 | fireba11 | v1c3_ ? |
| 14:43.14 | R1CHARD | the limit acces |
| 14:43.24 | stew | v1c3_: "apt-setup" will help you set one up |
| 14:43.25 | wols_ | v1c3_: just run apt-setup |
| 14:43.44 | dvm1981 | R1CHARD: In that 'ipaccess' file? |
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| 14:43.52 | v1c3_ | stew;wols_ : yes |
| 14:44.16 | v1c3_ | stew;wols_ : but I thought there was a fully configured file with all the sources |
| 14:44.51 | stew | v1c3_: no, there isn't. what do you mean by "all the sources"? |
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| 14:45.53 | v1c3_ | stew: well I mean a file where there are more sources for the packages |
| 14:46.03 | v1c3_ | I know I can add all bymyself |
| 14:46.28 | v1c3_ | but many of them are down or temporary unaivailable |
| 14:46.31 | stew | v1c3_: man sources.list ; and http://debian.org/mirrors |
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| 14:46.50 | dvm1981 | R1CHARD: Find and done, thanks, i would like to test it 'cgiirc'. Thanks to let me know of that package! ;-) |
| 14:46.50 | v1c3_ | stew: thanks |
| 14:46.54 | eheil | Anyone of you know some up to date reposotiries for Etch? |
| 14:47.09 | abrotman | all of them? |
| 14:47.10 | stew | eheil: http://debian.org/mirrors |
| 14:47.21 | eheil | b/c most of the stuff mentioned at apt-get.org is for Sarje and Potato. |
| 14:47.39 | stew | eheil: the official mirrors are up to date |
| 14:47.48 | netman1 | What is the Debian Way(tm) to test for group membership without processing the output of id -Gn? This is, I'm looking for a "command username groupname" which returns 0 on membership and 1 on non membership. |
| 14:48.22 | eheil | Stew: Ok, I didn't phrase my question correctly. Reposotiries that contain non-DSFG-complaint software. i.e. lame, mplayer, the Mplayer win32 codecs, etc. |
| 14:48.27 | stew | netman1: groups username | grep -q groupname |
| 14:48.46 | flart | eheil: google for marillat |
| 14:48.49 | netman1 | stew: This is so cool... Thanks. |
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| 14:49.13 | stew | eheil: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 14:49.23 | stew | eheil: and /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 14:49.35 | anisX | hai |
| 14:49.38 | gniretar | hi |
| 14:49.39 | gniretar | OK |
| 14:49.52 | gniretar | do an 'apt-cache search kernel' |
| 14:49.58 | gniretar | perhaps pipe it to less |
| 14:50.04 | gniretar | there will be lots of output |
| 14:50.05 | anisX | ok wait |
| 14:50.10 | gniretar | and pick the image you want |
| 14:50.33 | anisX | omg gniretar |
| 14:50.35 | stew | eheil: and http://debian-unofficial.org |
| 14:50.38 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to install debian on a USB stick and boot from there? |
| 14:50.46 | gniretar | theres allot of them eh? |
| 14:50.54 | anisX | gniretar : yes dear...a lots |
| 14:51.00 | gniretar | Knight_Lord: Yes, if the BIOS of the computer supports it |
| 14:51.13 | anisX | gniretar : i also confused what i need to do :S |
| 14:51.27 | stew | Knight_Lord: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 14:51.27 | gniretar | anisX well, pastebin the results |
| 14:51.31 | gniretar | and describe your system to me |
| 14:51.36 | gniretar | and i'l try to tell u the best one |
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| 14:51.49 | stew | anisX: which version of debian are you running?> |
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| 14:52.09 | gniretar | good question, i was assuming testing |
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| 14:53.47 | stew | anisX: and what cpu model do you have? |
| 14:53.56 | dr_zeus | debian installation doesn't detect my SATA drives. What to do? Fedora core detects them... |
| 14:54.14 | stew | dr_zeus: did you try the 2.6 install kernel? |
| 14:54.16 | dr_zeus | I've tried it on 2 different co mputers |
| 14:54.23 | wols_ | dr_zeus: get a installer with a newer kernel |
| 14:54.24 | dvm1981 | CGI700: Work that good cgiirg? |
| 14:54.34 | wols_ | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 14:54.34 | dpkg | methinks sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm |
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| 14:54.57 | dr_zeus | OK, I think I tried both 2.4x and 2.6x I'll see if there is a newer one :) |
| 14:55.01 | CGI700 | dvm1981: It's looks that it work man |
| 14:55.09 | R1CHARD | dvm1981, :D |
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| 14:55.24 | dvm1981 | R1CHARD: ;-) i test it :-) |
| 14:55.29 | wols_ | dr_zeus: you tried a 2.6.8 kernel. I pointed you to a installer with 2.6.15 |
| 14:55.36 | mr_claus | what's the error message "X Error of failed request: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)"? i got it while calling xterm |
| 14:55.53 | mr_claus | could it be a problem with utf-8? |
| 14:56.11 | hannesd | Where can I download debian images optimized for my arch (P4)? There are only generic i368 builds? |
| 14:56.12 | dr_zeus | wols_: I'll try it! |
| 14:56.28 | zam_aliphe | how to desplay line numper |
| 14:56.29 | hannesd | Sorry, I'm new to deb.. |
| 14:56.30 | resiak | hannesd: You can get optimised libc6s and kernels, and they're all that would make a difference |
| 14:56.48 | zam_aliphe | in a file |
| 14:56.51 | v1c3_ | stew: is there a way to upgrade my stable distro to testing? |
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| 14:57.03 | resiak | !info libc6-686 |
| 14:57.11 | resiak | argh, I'm useless |
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| 14:57.20 | hannesd | resiak: I'll find them on debina.org? |
| 14:57.23 | hannesd | debian |
| 14:57.31 | resiak | hannesd: apt-get install libc6-i686 |
| 14:57.34 | hannesd | thanks |
| 14:57.44 | streuner_ | !info libc6-i686 |
| 14:57.47 | dpkg | libc6-i686: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries [i686 optimized]), section libs, is extra. Version: 2.3.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1050 kB, Installed size: 2376 kB |
| 14:57.52 | resiak | hannesd: and you can use apt-cache search to find a 686 kernel |
| 14:57.57 | stew | v1c3_: yes "/msg dpkg stable->testing" however understand that once you switch to etch, you cannot switch back without reinstalling. and understand that many things are in transition in testing and therefore some packages are missing |
| 14:58.00 | hannesd | ok, thanks. |
| 14:58.21 | zam_aliphe | how use grep to display line numper ???? |
| 14:58.24 | anisX | gniretar : sorry i was away sorry! |
| 14:58.29 | resiak | zam_aliphe: man grep |
| 14:58.37 | v1c3_ | stew: ok thanks |
| 14:58.45 | anisX | gniretar : http://rafb.net/paste/results/SveFRT20.html |
| 14:59.20 | Knight_Lord | I don't think i was very clear. I don't want to install *from* and USB stick. I want to install *to* an USB disk |
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| 15:00.02 | anisX | stew : model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.00GHz |
| 15:00.20 | stew | anisX: what version of debian? stable? testing? ubuntu? |
| 15:00.30 | Knight_Lord | zam_aliphe you can also nl the files and then grep |
| 15:00.52 | sm00f | im having a strange issue, i have a usb to serial dongle that i use for serial access on my laptop, my kernel recognizes it and assigns it to ttyUSB0, however i cant open that device, i cannot even ls /dev/ttyUSB0 am i missing something? |
| 15:00.53 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to install debian into an USB stick? |
| 15:01.09 | anisX | stew : u will blame me if i tell you sir |
| 15:01.12 | wols_ | Knight_Lord: you were perfectly clear and gniretar gave you an answer to it |
| 15:01.30 | zam_aliphe | Knight_Lord how to do that ?? |
| 15:01.31 | anisX | stew : Redhat 9 |
| 15:01.37 | abrotman | idiot |
| 15:01.44 | gniretar | anisX: are u using stable? |
| 15:01.45 | Knight_Lord | wols_ but the link only talk about installing from a USB stick. |
| 15:01.46 | stew | anisX: please go to #redhat for questions on redhat |
| 15:01.59 | Knight_Lord | zam_aliphe nl files |grep pattern |
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| 15:02.32 | anisX | gniretar : actually i just access this server via ssh 22 |
| 15:02.45 | Gomo1 | Hi |
| 15:02.48 | anisX | gniretar : i just want to update the kernel because of quicktabls |
| 15:02.53 | anisX | *quicktables 2.3 |
| 15:03.02 | abrotman | anisX: tough .. go to #redhat |
| 15:03.10 | wols_ | Knight_Lord: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 |
| 15:03.12 | anisX | ok |
| 15:03.14 | gniretar | anisX Like i said, is this a Stable or Texting box? |
| 15:03.22 | zam_aliphe | Knight_Lord nl display the line numper thanks alot |
| 15:03.22 | wols_ | Knight_Lord: and lots of others if you ask google |
| 15:03.24 | stew | gniretar: he said its not debian at all |
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| 15:03.32 | anisX | gniretar : very stable sir , depends on lycos.co.uk though |
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| 15:03.42 | gniretar | >.< |
| 15:03.50 | gniretar | stew: where did he say that? |
| 15:03.56 | wols_ | isn't RH riddled with security holes by now? who updates it |
| 15:04.00 | wols_ | RH9 that is |
| 15:04.00 | stew | gniretar: 10:01 < anisX> stew : Redhat 9 |
| 15:04.03 | anisX | he *she* |
| 15:04.06 | wols_ | 16:01 < anisX> stew : Redhat 9 |
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| 15:04.14 | anisX | i was born being a female..not male..thanks |
| 15:04.21 | Gomo1 | I have a debian cdcard installer that stalls at "retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages" |
| 15:04.31 | Gomo1 | How can i tell whether it's doing anything or not? |
| 15:04.31 | stew | anisX: we're not interested. unless you have a debian question, please move on |
| 15:04.34 | gniretar | anisX: oh, well if your using redhat then i have no idea. |
| 15:04.37 | gniretar | woah |
| 15:04.40 | Gomo1 | The machine answers to pings |
| 15:04.43 | gniretar | a girl who uses Linux |
| 15:04.46 | Gomo1 | So i guess the network is up |
| 15:04.48 | anisX | gniretar / stew : ah ok thanks sir |
| 15:04.54 | wols_ | anisX: on irc everyone is either a dog or a 50 year old male fbi agent with a pouch. what do you want to be? Me, I'm a dog *woof* |
| 15:04.57 | gniretar | impossible! |
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| 15:05.16 | Gomo1 | OH! It moved |
| 15:05.36 | Gomo1 | "retrieving apt" |
| 15:05.49 | yawg | my laptop made it past that step last night, while i was sleeping |
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| 15:05.56 | yawg | it's on a new step now :D |
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| 15:06.25 | amee2k | I can't hear any audio output. volume controls are at max and unmuted, speakers work (feedback from mic works). for testing I'm using VLC to play ogg files. no results with both alsa and oss plugins. what's the best way to pin down the problem? |
| 15:06.55 | streuner_ | amee2k: did you use a different media player? |
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| 15:07.11 | amee2k | k, lemme try some |
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| 15:08.18 | streuner_ | amee2k: this are raw ogg files not avi's? |
| 15:08.28 | amee2k | totem works, xmms freezes |
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| 15:08.48 | amee2k | yes, they are ogg/vorbis |
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| 15:10.11 | v1c3_ | stew: ...yes still me :) |
| 15:10.27 | fluxdude | I've got a mail server with exim and imapd, but the single flat file structure doesn't scale and I'm running into problems. Does anybody know of a method to use mysql since that's nice and fast? |
| 15:10.30 | amee2k | which way does totem use to output sound? |
| 15:10.47 | v1c3_ | stew: this is the error code I get back when I try to update whit apt [deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free] |
| 15:10.48 | abrotman | fluxdude: you could try maildir |
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| 15:11.09 | wols_ | fluxdude: workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 15:11.10 | abrotman | fluxdude: or maybe ask #exim if they have a way to store mail in a DB |
| 15:11.16 | wols_ | postfix+courier tho |
| 15:11.24 | v1c3_ | stew: this is the error code I get back when I try to update whit apt [Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/sarge/updates/contrib/binary-i3 86/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)] |
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| 15:11.36 | amee2k | no matter what i try, i can't get vlc to work |
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| 15:11.53 | wols_ | fluxdude: what imap server? |
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| 15:13.39 | fireba11 | fluxdude use maildir that scales pretty well .. storing mail in a database as suggested would be way SLOWER |
| 15:13.48 | v1c3_ | help !! the error-code I get back when I try to update whit apt [Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/sarge/updates/contrib/binary-i3 86/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)] |
| 15:13.51 | abrotman | jvw: Should those links for your platform actually work ? |
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| 15:14.19 | jvw | abrotman: I don't think they work yet |
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| 15:14.42 | abrotman | jvw: i just thought i'd ask since none of them are present .. thought maybe a bug in the web code |
| 15:15.02 | le_neko | is automout do the job around mount and umount samba share if available or not ? |
| 15:15.08 | stew | jvw: have you submitted a platform? i didn't think anyone had yet |
| 15:15.26 | abrotman | stew: i thought steve had outlined one in a blog .. dunno if that counts |
| 15:15.45 | abrotman | i tried to nominate myself for DPL .. it failed :( |
| 15:15.45 | stew | v1c3_: i'm not sure what's wrong there |
| 15:15.52 | resiak | hahah |
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| 15:15.55 | user-- | d |
| 15:15.55 | user-- | 'd |
| 15:15.55 | user-- | d'f |
| 15:15.55 | user-- | 'd |
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| 15:16.06 | resiak | oh shit |
| 15:16.10 | abrotman | user-- indeed |
| 15:16.10 | resiak | where the fucking fuck is the textbook? |
| 15:16.14 | resiak | ECHAN |
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| 15:16.51 | v1c3_ | stew: seem to me gzip doesn't work |
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| 15:17.33 | stew | v1c3_: are you able to download http://security.debian.org/dists/sarge/updates/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz ? |
| 15:18.07 | mortal | is it just me or are all sdl using games segfaulting on your amd64 sids too? |
| 15:18.24 | abrotman | mortal: did you check the bts? |
| 15:18.37 | v1c3_ | stew:yes |
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| 15:19.06 | XTF | Hi. I've got a cron job that runs every minute, but according to syslog it ran three times in the same minute this morning. What could cause this? |
| 15:19.18 | jvw | stew, abrotman: platform deadline hasn't passed yet |
| 15:19.19 | abrotman | ntp resetting your clock |
| 15:19.24 | abrotman | jvw: ah ok |
| 15:19.31 | abrotman | jvw: thanks |
| 15:19.38 | jvw | Manoj said he'd put them all up at around upcoming midnight UTC |
| 15:19.47 | XTF | abrotman: I've got ntp-server, isn't that supposed to do it very gradually? |
| 15:19.50 | jvw | at least, those that managed to be in in time |
| 15:19.58 | abrotman | XTF: depends how you set it up |
| 15:20.11 | abrotman | jvw: i trust yours has been done for weeks! :) |
| 15:20.15 | XTF | abrotman: It's a default setup. |
| 15:20.36 | Konky | i can't find sqlrelay-oracle8 in any release, is that because of licensing? |
| 15:20.43 | amee2k | ALSA output doesn't work, though ESD does. what's the best way to pin down the problem? |
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| 15:20.48 | jvw | abrotman: I must admit that your trust is misplaced |
| 15:21.05 | abrotman | Konky: maybe .. what's the license |
| 15:21.14 | Konky | no idea |
| 15:21.16 | abrotman | XTF: paste the log entries somewhere |
| 15:21.40 | abrotman | Konky: i can't even find it on google |
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| 15:21.42 | Konky | sqlrelay offers a bunch of packages, but debian only includes mysql a hand full of others |
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| 15:21.57 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:22.29 | abrotman | Konky: according to the description .. works with Oracle |
| 15:23.03 | stew | v1c3_: dunno, works for me. you get this when you are running "apt-get update" right? |
| 15:23.05 | Konky | the oracle listener is missing |
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| 15:23.23 | v1c3_ | stew: yes |
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| 15:23.42 | XTF | abrotman: http://leiden.xwis.net/temp/syslog.txt |
| 15:24.07 | abrotman | Konky: i'd say to try to ask the maintainer ? |
| 15:24.10 | abrotman | !maint sqlrelay |
| 15:24.12 | stew | v1c3_: you could also try deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 15:24.16 | dpkg | sqlrelay: Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> |
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| 15:24.37 | abrotman | XTF: the xwbp ? |
| 15:24.39 | Konky | hmm, i'll ytry to work it out myself -> timepressure |
| 15:24.43 | v1c3_ | stew: ok let me edit source.list |
| 15:24.45 | XTF | abrotman: Yes. |
| 15:24.55 | abrotman | Konky: some of them are pretty responsive .. might be worth a shot |
| 15:25.11 | fluxdude | sorry for the delay, I was distracted, I am using imapd , not sure beyond that, old inherited server |
| 15:25.30 | mortal | note to self: always have a reposity of known good packages in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 15:25.49 | Konky | hmm i'll try |
| 15:25.50 | Konky | ty |
| 15:26.04 | abrotman | XTF: it's supposed to run every minute? |
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| 15:26.26 | XTF | abrotman: Yes (* * * * * in cron) |
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| 15:26.54 | abrotman | XTF: ok .. great .. where is your entry where it shows it running at 07:13 07:14 07:15 07:16 ? |
| 15:26.58 | amee2k | nm for now. just blew out my ears when it started working somehow |
| 15:27.18 | XTF | abrotman: I've no idea. :( |
| 15:27.31 | abrotman | XTF: afaik .. it will store them |
| 15:27.45 | abrotman | XTF: and run them when it can .. so those missing ones got queued up |
| 15:27.56 | abrotman | XTF: afaik anyways |
| 15:27.59 | XTF | abrotman: Ah. How do I prevent that? |
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| 15:28.08 | v1c3_ | stew: seem to me it worked out |
| 15:28.16 | abrotman | XTF: wtf is in this script that it needs to be run every minute? |
| 15:28.33 | XTF | abrotman: Updating rankings and stats. |
| 15:28.38 | v1c3_ | stew: [sh-2.05b# apt-get update |
| 15:28.39 | v1c3_ | Hit http://ftp.se.debian.org stable/main Packages |
| 15:28.39 | v1c3_ | Hit http://ftp.se.debian.org stable/main Release |
| 15:28.39 | v1c3_ | Hit ftp://ftp.de.debian.org sarge/updates/main Packages |
| 15:28.39 | v1c3_ | Hit ftp://ftp.de.debian.org sarge/updates/main Release |
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| 15:28.42 | abrotman | and you want to do that every minute? |
| 15:28.50 | XTF | Yes. |
| 15:28.56 | bacan | Alguien habla en español? |
| 15:28.56 | abrotman | how about every other minute! |
| 15:28.58 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:28.59 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:29.15 | XTF | No, every minute. :) |
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| 15:31.06 | abrotman | XTF: it might be easier to write a script that does what you need .. sleeps 60 seconds .. does it again |
| 15:31.11 | justStormY | hey guys |
| 15:31.30 | justStormY | in which paket is the script dos2unix and unix2dos ? |
| 15:31.33 | XTF | abrotman: Yes, true, I guess I'll just make it a daemon or something. |
| 15:31.43 | XTF | apt-cache search fromdos? |
| 15:31.48 | justStormY | kk ;) |
| 15:31.59 | abrotman | apt-file search dos2unix |
| 15:32.03 | fireba11 | XTF: you might run into problems if the script takes more than a minute to run .. and that WILL happen at 6 am when logs get rotated for example |
| 15:32.10 | abrotman | !tell justStormY about search |
| 15:32.16 | abrotman | fireba11: they should all get queued up |
| 15:32.26 | abrotman | !find dos2unix sarge |
| 15:32.33 | XTF | fireba11: Why? Does log rotation take huge amounts of CPU time? |
| 15:32.38 | fireba11 | abrotman: true .. but that could cause things like script running 3x in a minute |
| 15:32.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dos2unix' (3): (/usr/bin/dos2unix) in utils/sysutils ;; (/usr/share/doc/prcs/examples/dos2unixdiff3) in devel/prcs ;; (/usr/share/doc/kforth/examples/dos2unix.4th, /usr/share/doc/kforth/doc/examples/dos2unix.4th) in interpreters/kforth. |
| 15:32.56 | abrotman | fireba11: if you look at his log . it's actually like 10 times in 4 minutes or some crap |
| 15:33.01 | fireba11 | XTF: no ... but some deamons will get restarted, causing IO wait |
| 15:33.03 | justStormY | abrotman: no i know - but i doesn't know the keyword "fromdos" |
| 15:33.29 | fireba11 | abrotman: aw great ^^ |
| 15:33.40 | abrotman | fireba11: i know |
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| 15:34.45 | fireba11 | XTF: you tried every 2 minutes or so to locate the problem ? |
| 15:35.20 | XTF | fireba11: No, this is the first time it really resulted in a problem. |
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| 15:35.46 | abrotman | XTF: i'm going with the script that sleeps 60 seconds .. |
| 15:35.50 | XTF | fireba11: I'll make it a daemon. |
| 15:36.09 | abrotman | while {1} blahblahblah sleep 60 ..etc |
| 15:36.29 | XTF | abrotman: Me too, except not sleeping for 60 s, as that doesn't take script run time into account. |
| 15:36.44 | stew | v1c3_: the .de mirror you are using now is not official btw. it might be a good idea to try to figure out why the official security mirror isn't working for you |
| 15:36.44 | abrotman | XTF: this is for game stats? |
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| 15:36.50 | XTF | abrotman: Yes,. |
| 15:36.53 | fireba11 | XTF: am still wondering why you need to run this every minute |
| 15:37.10 | abrotman | XTF: just something i'd like to point out .. the people who care .. are probably playing the game :) |
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| 15:37.51 | giacus | hello |
| 15:37.53 | XTF | abrotman: I hope so. :) But the rankings are also visible in-game. |
| 15:37.54 | abrotman | XTF: i'd seriously go with the xwbp && sleep 60 thing .. it will give the system time to do other stuff in between etc .. and really .. do they care that much ? |
| 15:37.56 | kspath | abrotman: but they are on crack and want to know the rankings before the game is over |
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| 15:38.29 | abrotman | XTF: or you could renice some of the other tasks |
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| 15:38.41 | abrotman | i honestly believe stats suck .. |
| 15:38.49 | giacus | im tryng to remove sis, drm, from 2.6.15-1-686 precompiled kernel to get ati drivers working, can't find a way to get it working |
| 15:38.55 | supaman | hi, I am trying to start up cupsdconf but when I do (as a user or root, doesnt matter) then I get the following message "Unable to retrieve configuration file from the CUPS server. You probably don't have the access permissions to perform this operation." ... why is that? |
| 15:39.15 | XTF | abrotman: It's not just stats. And the issue is/was memory, not CPU. |
| 15:39.31 | abrotman | XTF: yes .. but running processes still take RAM and CPU .. |
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| 15:40.55 | dvm1981 | Troubles ... |
| 15:41.04 | abrotman | pop the bubbles! |
| 15:41.13 | jvw | abrotman: btw, where did you see links to platforms at all? I see none on the vote page |
| 15:41.22 | jvw | argh, nvm, cache issue |
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| 15:41.55 | stew | lebifteksauvage: please disable that in here |
| 15:41.55 | kspath | !tell lebifteksauvage about away |
| 15:42.02 | abrotman | jvw: find it? |
| 15:42.14 | abrotman | !tell lebifteksauvage -about away |
| 15:42.19 | jvw | abrotman: I found it |
| 15:42.22 | stew | http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_002 |
| 15:42.28 | abrotman | jvw: but i don't see yours? :) |
| 15:42.34 | jvw | nobody's is there |
| 15:43.50 | abrotman | jvw: and they have to be in this week? |
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| 15:45.44 | jvw | abrotman: in 8 hours from now |
| 15:45.53 | Thor | hi |
| 15:45.56 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 15:46.29 | Thor | i got a small problem :/ |
| 15:46.38 | abrotman | how small? |
| 15:46.42 | abrotman | is it the lack of a nose? |
| 15:46.49 | jvw | >....< small |
| 15:46.59 | Thor | i got no graphical desktop or login :/ |
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| 15:47.06 | stew | abrotman: manoj has said, however that one candidate is going to be a week late with his, and he's not sure how to handle that |
| 15:47.10 | abrotman | Thor: which desktop would you like |
| 15:47.17 | abrotman | stew: the bitch must die! |
| 15:47.17 | Thor | KDE and Gnome |
| 15:47.24 | abrotman | Thor: you want both? |
| 15:47.28 | Thor | ye |
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| 15:47.30 | abrotman | !tell Thor about install gnome |
| 15:47.32 | abrotman | !tell Thor about install kde |
| 15:47.35 | abrotman | !tell Thor about setupx |
| 15:47.39 | abrotman | !tell Thor about setup x |
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| 15:47.46 | Thor | O_o |
| 15:47.55 | abrotman | Thor: that should cover you :) |
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| 15:48.13 | abrotman | Thor: what kind of video card? |
| 15:48.23 | Thor | ATI |
| 15:48.23 | jvw | stew: ah, you're Mike O'Connor |
| 15:48.28 | Thor | on a laptop |
| 15:48.33 | abrotman | !tell Thor about ati |
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| 15:48.38 | stew | jvw: I am! |
| 15:48.41 | abrotman | stew: you are are you!? |
| 15:48.42 | Thor | hm |
| 15:48.45 | stew | jvw: what did i do? :) |
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| 15:48.51 | debiannub | Thor: what problemm u got? |
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| 15:49.00 | Thor | what is this !tell thingy? |
| 15:49.20 | abrotman | Thor: didn't dpkg tell you a bunch of stuff in another window? |
| 15:49.22 | debiannub | i got a ati x700 on my laptop |
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| 15:49.53 | kspath | !tell Thor about tell |
| 15:49.59 | jvw | stew: you made me kill a resonse to Thijs Kinkhorst, because you already said what I wanted to say :) |
| 15:50.38 | abrotman | stew: you do mailing lists too? |
| 15:50.41 | stew | jvw: i'm trying to save your effort for other things, like looking over my rfs :) |
| 15:50.45 | kspath | stew: Stop reading peoples minds. It confuzzles them! |
| 15:50.49 | stew | abrotman: i dabble |
| 15:50.57 | Thor | just another problem abrotman... i got no internett on that computer :/ |
| 15:51.05 | Ryushin | I'm trying to rescue a debian sarge system using the finnix rescue cd. I purposely broke lilo by moving the initrd file and rebooting without running lilo. Every time I've done that, I just but a rescue cd, mount the hard drive, chroot to it, and run lilo. No big deal. But this time it's complaining about device-mapper missing from the kernel. Any ideas on what I should look for? |
| 15:51.08 | abrotman | Thor: guess we should have started with that issue eh? |
| 15:51.30 | Thor | i thught it came with debian -_- |
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| 15:51.32 | abrotman | stew: what are you trying to upload? |
| 15:51.35 | yggdrasil | good morning |
| 15:51.37 | abrotman | Thor: it does .. |
| 15:51.42 | abrotman | Thor: what is your network card? |
| 15:51.51 | Thor | dunno |
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| 15:53.00 | yggdrasil | can somone gime a hand, ive got dam small lilnux on this computer and im trying to do a network install of deb. Ive downloaded the neboot.tar.gz and ive read the install manual but i cant seem to find vmlinuz and initrd.gz files ...??? |
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| 15:53.31 | abrotman | Thor: we kind of have to know to help you get internet |
| 15:53.40 | beardy | yggdrasil: Can you boot with a cd? |
| 15:53.43 | wdamn | Hi, when I add a user to a group, how can I made immediatly active this adding? |
| 15:53.43 | stew | abrotman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2006/02/msg00344.html |
| 15:53.45 | yggdrasil | beardy no |
| 15:53.50 | Thor | i got a wifi card |
| 15:54.01 | Thor | Jensen Notbook card II |
| 15:54.01 | abrotman | stew: i didn't think you were a DD |
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| 15:54.24 | yggdrasil | beardy the laptops allready got grub i just dont know if ive downloaded the wrong file or what... i got netboot.tar.gz |
| 15:54.36 | yggdrasil | i untarred it but i dont see those files in there |
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| 15:54.56 | stew | abrotman: nope |
| 15:55.05 | abrotman | stew: nope you're not a DD? |
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| 15:55.11 | giacus | hello |
| 15:55.13 | stew | i'm not |
| 15:55.13 | abrotman | stew: so you'll adopt and have to get a sponsor? |
| 15:55.21 | stew | abrotman: yes |
| 15:55.22 | giacus | can I dowgrade from unstable to testing ? |
| 15:55.31 | abrotman | giacus: no |
| 15:55.32 | beardy | yggdrasil: I'm not familiar with debootstrap installs, but doesn't DamnSmallLinux have information on how to install using it, on their site? |
| 15:55.39 | abrotman | stew: rosegarden isn't a bad app ... |
| 15:55.39 | Ryushin | giacus: Yes. |
| 15:55.44 | giacus | ? |
| 15:55.46 | abrotman | stew: you could package wired too! |
| 15:55.49 | Ryushin | giacus: Done it without a problem. |
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| 15:56.07 | yggdrasil | well its just grub |
| 15:56.10 | fireba11 | Ryushin: you re-installed ? :-) |
| 15:56.10 | Ryushin | giacus: You'll have to look up pinnings for apt. |
| 15:56.14 | yggdrasil | but i just cant find the files |
| 15:56.15 | yggdrasil | hhah |
| 15:56.19 | Ryushin | fireball: not at all. |
| 15:56.23 | yggdrasil | i untarred it |
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| 15:56.40 | fireba11 | Ryushin: how did you downgrade then ? sincce it's not supported |
| 15:56.45 | beardy | yggdrasil: Do you have Damn Small Linux installed on it? |
| 15:56.48 | yggdrasil | yes |
| 15:56.48 | stew | abrotman: yeah, rosegarden is excellent. i was able to suprise the audio engineers I work for when I show it to them |
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| 15:57.07 | abrotman | stew: http://wired.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:57.08 | yggdrasil | now i see a filees called initrd.gz and linux .... is that them is it no longer vmlinuz ? |
| 15:57.19 | Ryushin | fireball: You'll have to use pinnings. There should be plenty of documentation for it on google. |
| 15:57.24 | abrotman | stew: last i tried it .. didn't compile .. |
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| 15:57.32 | abrotman | stew: but i think there was a library missing |
| 15:57.38 | beardy | yggdrasil: 'file linux' should tell you |
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| 15:58.39 | yggdrasil | yea that must be it |
| 15:58.41 | yggdrasil | thanks |
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| 15:58.48 | fireba11 | Ryushin: that's no downgrade then, that's a mixed system |
| 15:58.56 | yggdrasil | linux x86 executable bzimage |
| 15:59.01 | abrotman | stew: show them wired! |
| 15:59.13 | stew | abrotman: looks nice |
| 15:59.19 | Ryushin | fireball: It isn't. You can force all the packages to go to testing. |
| 15:59.51 | fireba11 | Ryushin: hm .. you still risk to end up with some borked config files though |
| 16:00.20 | abrotman | stew: if it works :) |
| 16:00.24 | Ryushin | fireball: Yea, there is a risk. But I've done it sucessfully about 4 times now. |
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| 16:00.50 | fireba11 | Ryushin: okay .. and it would help to write my nick correctly :-) |
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| 16:02.16 | Ryushin | fireball: ? I've looked at my messages, and it looks like I've been spelling it right. |
| 16:02.49 | fireba11 | Ryushin: it's spelled with two ones :-) |
| 16:03.12 | yggdrasil | hahha |
| 16:03.14 | yggdrasil | it worked |
| 16:03.16 | yggdrasil | !!! |
| 16:03.16 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 16:03.18 | fireba11 | Ryushin: the other nick was already taken :-) |
| 16:03.22 | yggdrasil | on no it almost worked |
| 16:03.30 | beardy | yggdrasil: /msg dpkg enter |
| 16:03.47 | Ryushin | fireba11: Well it works. My font makes it look damn close to a L. |
| 16:03.54 | yggdrasil | sorry |
| 16:04.17 | fireba11 | Ryushin: i know .. i just might miss messages if they aren't highlighted :-) |
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| 16:10.33 | erchache | hi |
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| 16:10.53 | itguy | HI |
| 16:10.56 | Knight_Lord | Is there any linux text ftp client that can do recursive ftp upload? |
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| 16:11.08 | erchache | what is better? nfs or ssh to pass non important data from servers? |
| 16:11.10 | Knight_Lord | Or is there a way to use rsync without encryption? |
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| 16:11.28 | itguy | How dcan i setup a usb cordless mouse? |
| 16:11.31 | Knight_Lord | erchache very different. ssh is one time while nfs is persistent |
| 16:11.39 | beardy | yggdrasil: You have to tell us exactly what you did, and what didn't work as you expected, and errors you got, or similar. |
| 16:11.47 | stew | Knight_Lord: by installing and using rsh instead of ssh (note that passwords will go over plaintext, however) |
| 16:11.47 | Knight_Lord | erchache ssh has a lot more overhead |
| 16:12.00 | Knight_Lord | stew closed network, doesn't matter |
| 16:12.05 | erchache | yeah...i want more speed...data arent important |
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| 16:12.21 | erchache | my web data and mysql dump |
| 16:12.22 | Knight_Lord | erchache then go nfs or ftp or something like that |
| 16:12.22 | itguy | stew: would u help me plz? |
| 16:12.29 | stew | Knight_Lord: rsync uses rsh unless you tell it otherwise, its just that on a debian system, rsh points to ssh via the alternatives system when you have only ssh installed |
| 16:12.30 | jph | anybody tried wpa on dapper? |
| 16:12.36 | jetscreamer | on what |
| 16:12.36 | stew | itguy: /msg dpkg usb mouse |
| 16:12.37 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 16:12.51 | jetscreamer | !ubuntu |
| 16:12.51 | dpkg | i guess ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 16:12.53 | erchache | knight_lord: can i force performance of nfs? |
| 16:12.57 | thingfish | dapper is an ubuntu. |
| 16:13.00 | Knight_Lord | stew ok. What about ftp client with recursive upload? Do you know any? |
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| 16:13.02 | jetscreamer | i know |
| 16:13.09 | stew | itguy: err /msg dpkg usbmouse |
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| 16:13.11 | Knight_Lord | erchache what do you mean by force? |
| 16:13.14 | thingfish | yeah sorry a little slow this morning, I am. |
| 16:13.15 | jph | anybody succeeded wpa on sarge then |
| 16:13.16 | stew | Knight_Lord: ncftp |
| 16:13.25 | Knight_Lord | stew thanks i'll take a look |
| 16:13.34 | jph | withouth using testing/unstable |
| 16:13.40 | erchache | eehhh....to set up manually to get more speed against more cpu usage |
| 16:13.53 | beardy | jph: sarge is by definition not testing or unstable.. |
| 16:14.00 | jetscreamer | something about wpasupplicant but i don't do wireless so no idea |
| 16:14.01 | Knight_Lord | erchache the only things you can use it to use insecure |
| 16:14.10 | Knight_Lord | erchache on your exports ifle |
| 16:14.12 | jph | it's just to be precise |
| 16:14.17 | Knight_Lord | erchache exports file |
| 16:14.20 | erchache | yepa |
| 16:14.33 | jetscreamer | you should make it very general when trying not to type the u word |
| 16:14.39 | jetscreamer | god this font sucks |
| 16:14.40 | jph | ok thanks, I'll try that |
| 16:14.43 | Knight_Lord | erchache no_subtree_check might also help |
| 16:14.49 | erchache | ahhh ok |
| 16:14.57 | Knight_Lord | erchache oh and definitely async |
| 16:15.01 | erchache | async? |
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| 16:15.10 | erchache | no no....i can use sync :-P |
| 16:15.12 | laurens | hi |
| 16:15.14 | Knight_Lord | erchache removes coherency between clients |
| 16:15.21 | erchache | i know i know |
| 16:15.24 | Knight_Lord | erchache so you can cache the writes |
| 16:15.31 | Knight_Lord | erchache do you need coherency? |
| 16:15.32 | laurens | I've got this strange NFS issue |
| 16:15.37 | erchache | yes...i need it |
| 16:15.44 | erchache | is a backup :-D |
| 16:15.45 | laurens | I can't write, even though mount does not complain when I mount it rw |
| 16:15.49 | Knight_Lord | erchache how good coherency? |
| 16:15.52 | beardy | !use tab |
| 16:15.52 | dpkg | Use tab completion when addressing people in #debian, (write the first characters of a nick, then hit TAB), but be sure to write enough characters of the nick to make it unique (or hit TAB more times to switch between the nicks that matches, to get the right one), and check that you got the correct nick before hitting Enter, otherwise you may tell the wrong people the wrong things. |
| 16:15.57 | erchache | the best |
| 16:15.57 | Knight_Lord | erchache because it's gonna cost you |
| 16:16.15 | Knight_Lord | erchache if it's a backup you should really be used rsync over rsh |
| 16:16.27 | Knight_Lord | using* |
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| 16:16.41 | erchache | but i dont want a incremental backup |
| 16:16.43 | Knight_Lord | laurens what error do you get? |
| 16:16.51 | erchache | i dont want a mirror |
| 16:17.06 | erchache | i only want a way to send files to server backup |
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| 16:17.08 | ludwig | Hallo! |
| 16:17.18 | ludwig | Still headache with NTUSER.DAT |
| 16:17.26 | erchache | and locally on server backup make a tar over scsi dat tape |
| 16:17.31 | Knight_Lord | erchache sure rsync can do that, just make sure the destination is an ampty directory |
| 16:17.35 | laurens | Knight_Lord: none, until i try to write with vim or touch a file or anything else that actually *writes* |
| 16:17.37 | ludwig | Anyone knows how to export the NTUSER.DAT into a .reg file? |
| 16:17.43 | erchache | yeah....i know rsync too |
| 16:17.51 | Knight_Lord | laurens ok but what error does it give? |
| 16:17.53 | laurens | laurens@seaborgium:~/remote/moortgat-www-data$ touch foo |
| 16:17.53 | laurens | touch: cannot touch `foo': Permission denied |
| 16:17.54 | itguy | okay now i have a question...on my screen i can see a bold "X" in the center and it's not a mouse pointer coz when i move my mouse and place there,the "X" will overlap the mouse pointer!!! any idea what is this ...? |
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| 16:18.05 | laurens | vim gives : "foo" E212: Can't open file for writing |
| 16:18.11 | Knight_Lord | laurens what does ls -la give? |
| 16:18.16 | laurens | that works |
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| 16:18.22 | erchache | knight_lord: i was trying to send entire dd of hardisk through lan over ssh....and fails :-( |
| 16:18.23 | Rawplayer | re |
| 16:18.27 | laurens | Knight_Lord: everything but writing |
| 16:18.27 | Knight_Lord | erchache because you're gonna have to copy the stuff to nfs somehow |
| 16:18.29 | erchache | toooooo slooooooowwww |
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| 16:18.38 | laurens | Knight_Lord: all files are 775 |
| 16:18.44 | laurens | and belong to user and group www-data |
| 16:18.54 | laurens | I am in that group both locally and remotely |
| 16:18.55 | Knight_Lord | laurens files are 775 and you can't write as the owner of the file? |
| 16:18.58 | laurens | and the userids are the same |
| 16:19.10 | laurens | Knight_Lord: im not the owner of the file, but im in the group |
| 16:19.20 | Knight_Lord | laurens when were you placed in the group? |
| 16:19.23 | erchache | knight_lord: what do you use to backup entire partitions of a server....i have 3 HD, /, /usr, /var |
| 16:19.29 | Knight_Lord | laurens can you show me one line from ls -la? |
| 16:19.32 | laurens | Knight_Lord: Remotely? Long time ago |
| 16:19.40 | laurens | -rwxrwxr-x 1 www-data www-data 526 2006-02-24 12:10 index.php |
| 16:19.43 | laurens | all files are like that |
| 16:19.50 | laurens | 0775 as you can see |
| 16:19.50 | Knight_Lord | erchache i backup my 3TB raid array by rsync |
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| 16:20.13 | itguy | Is there s a way i can setup my own email server |
| 16:20.16 | Knight_Lord | laurens what about the directory itself "."? |
| 16:20.23 | laurens | drwxrwxr-x 4 www-data www-data 4096 2006-02-24 12:10 . |
| 16:20.30 | laurens | itguy: sending or receiving |
| 16:20.38 | itguy | laurens: yes |
| 16:20.49 | erchache | knight_lord: how many hours do you spend? |
| 16:20.50 | jetscreamer | both, i guess |
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| 16:20.57 | laurens | itguy: what internet connection? Not all ISP's allow port 25 outgoing |
| 16:21.03 | erchache | i dont have a scsi raid over fiber channel eh? :-P |
| 16:21.04 | laurens | (which is SMTP aka mail transfer) |
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| 16:21.12 | Knight_Lord | erchache I do incremental. To backup everything through gigabit it takes about 2.5 days |
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| 16:21.26 | jetscreamer | some isp's let you use 587 though |
| 16:21.27 | laurens | just use myrinet :) |
| 16:21.30 | laurens | yeah. |
| 16:21.31 | laurens | not all |
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| 16:21.33 | jetscreamer | when they don't let you use 25 |
| 16:21.38 | itguy | laurens: i've a cable, how would i check and see if port 25 working |
| 16:21.43 | laurens | itguy: yeah |
| 16:21.46 | laurens | you should |
| 16:21.50 | laurens | might i reccomend qmail? :) |
| 16:22.01 | laurens | it's not in debian due to political issues on both sides |
| 16:22.09 | Knight_Lord | itguy you can use netcat to open te door and then ask someone to connect to it |
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| 16:22.22 | ANyoN | hello, i got a problem with vsftpd (or any ftp actualy). it gives me access denied when i try to login as shell user |
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| 16:22.37 | erchache | knight_lord: impossible to me....my boss kill me if system down |
| 16:22.37 | itguy | Knight_Lord: explian more please |
| 16:22.38 | sandman | In the domain of email, there are MTAs and MUAs, correct? |
| 16:22.48 | erchache | knight_lord: i need a fast way.... |
| 16:23.03 | erchache | do you know any? |
| 16:23.40 | itguy | !info netcat |
| 16:23.51 | dpkg | netcat: (TCP/IP swiss army knife), section net, is important. Version: 1.10-30 (sid), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 16:24.02 | bananafly | how do i get my FA311 network card to work in debian on an old conpaq presario |
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| 16:24.18 | bananafly | and why isnt pcmcia support compiled in debian? |
| 16:24.21 | Knight_Lord | erchache it's impossible to copy Gigabyes and gigabytes through a gigabit ethernet |
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| 16:24.37 | ANyoN | anyone ? |
| 16:24.58 | Knight_Lord | erchache at least fast i mean. You can try raid5 to improve your redundancy, and frequent incremental backups |
| 16:25.18 | stew | bananafly: pcmcia is in the debian kernels |
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| 16:25.26 | itguy | laurens: do u know which one i should use with debian |
| 16:25.42 | stew | bananafly: iirc fa311 is supported by the natsemi module |
| 16:25.46 | bananafly | stew: not enabled in mine :( |
| 16:25.53 | Knight_Lord | erchache there is also GFS which is a kind of networked file system which some redundancy. You might want to take a look |
| 16:25.57 | stew | bananafly: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:26.08 | tombs | hi all |
| 16:26.15 | bananafly | wait |
| 16:26.20 | Knight_Lord | erchache but perfect coherence between a backup and a main server through the network at all times it's still not really possible |
| 16:26.28 | bananafly | ircing on my dads pc since network is down :( |
| 16:26.35 | stew | bananafly: if you are using a debian kernel it would be compiled as a module. "grep CONFIG_PCMCIA /boot/config-$(uname -r)" |
| 16:26.38 | Knight_Lord | erchache at least with any decent performance |
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| 16:27.10 | bananafly | 2.6.15.1-486 |
| 16:27.23 | stew | bananafly: "grep CONFIG_PCMCIA /boot/config-$(uname -r)" |
| 16:27.27 | bananafly | k |
| 16:27.45 | stew | bananafly: should return "CONFIG_PCMCIA=m" meaning pcmcia support is compiled as a module |
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| 16:29.28 | bananafly | it does |
| 16:29.31 | Knight_Lord | stew ncftp works fine, thanks |
| 16:29.37 | stew | Knight_Lord: you're welcome |
| 16:29.51 | bananafly | stew: but how do i enable it? |
| 16:30.01 | itguy | Knight_Lord: will u help me thru netcat |
| 16:30.24 | Knight_Lord | itguy i'm not really experience with netcat. You'll have to read the manpage i'm afraid |
| 16:30.33 | stew | bananafly: what are you trying to do? what makes you say its not enabled? |
| 16:30.42 | itguy | Knight_Lord: thank you |
| 16:30.55 | Knight_Lord | itguy you're welcome |
| 16:31.00 | bananafly | only eth0 shows up and that is my broken built-in eth port |
| 16:31.18 | bananafly | neither the netgear or the pcmcia DWL-650 shows up |
| 16:31.28 | itguy | Knight_Lord: not quit yet....=) i did man netcat and it return no page found |
| 16:31.36 | sandman | So MailMan needs a properly configured MTA? |
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| 16:31.47 | Knight_Lord | itguy apt-get install netcat first might help ;-) |
| 16:31.57 | itguy | Knight_Lord: k |
| 16:32.02 | erchache | knight_lord: i this case best option is to make a local dd over usb 2.0 harddisk no? |
| 16:32.10 | laurens | Knight_Lord: any idea about my nfs problem? |
| 16:32.17 | laurens | erchache: dd? what on earth for? |
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| 16:32.26 | stew | bananafly: "modprobe natsemi" should make the fa311 show up. dwl-650 is a prism card? |
| 16:32.28 | xiaoyu | how can i setup a TeX env with CJK support |
| 16:32.33 | erchache | to get a dump of entire partition |
| 16:32.33 | xiaoyu | how can i setup a TeX env with CJK surpport |
| 16:32.35 | laurens | erchache: yeah but why? |
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| 16:32.52 | erchache | its the best wat to get a image of a entire partition no? |
| 16:32.54 | laurens | erchache: why not cp -a and/or rsync? |
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| 16:33.02 | Knight_Lord | laurens check for umask on the mount command although i don't really think that's it |
| 16:33.02 | stew | bananafly: if natsemi works, put it in /etc/modules. you can blacklist the eth0 module, if you know what module it is, /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 16:33.03 | laurens | erchache: yeah but why an entire partition |
| 16:33.05 | erchache | no no...i want a image |
| 16:33.10 | Konky | does anyone have libclntsh.so.10.1 ? |
| 16:33.24 | Knight_Lord | laurens you can also check /var/log/messages in both the client and the server to search for anytthing interesting |
| 16:33.26 | laurens | 192.168.2.177:/var/www /home/laurens/remote/moortgat-www-data nfs rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 16:33.26 | erchache | if system crash....redump to partition and go up again |
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| 16:33.35 | xiaoyu | how can i setup a TeX env with CJK surport |
| 16:33.41 | Konky | that's a lib from oracle 10 |
| 16:33.51 | laurens | Knight_Lord: no noise on either |
| 16:34.04 | laurens | Knight_Lord: only the notice that share foo has been mounted on the server |
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| 16:34.19 | Knight_Lord | laurens you can try to specifically pass umask=000 to the mount command |
| 16:34.22 | bananafly | stew: modprobe doesn't work and the netgear is not listed in lspci |
| 16:34.29 | Knight_Lord | laurens although it doesn't really make much sense |
| 16:34.57 | bananafly | however the cardbus/PCMCIA bridge is, but not the dwl-650 |
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| 16:35.08 | arpa- | where is the "Last login: Sun Feb 26 15:33:17 2006 from 1.2.3.4" stored? |
| 16:35.09 | Knight_Lord | itguy netcat -l -p25 to listen on port 25 |
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| 16:35.24 | stew | bananafly: if the netgear card isn't listed in lspci, something is wrong. |
| 16:35.31 | stew | bananafly: a pcmcia card wouldn't show up in lspci |
| 16:35.33 | Knight_Lord | itguy then you can use telnet from an outside machine |
| 16:35.38 | Knight_Lord | itguy to check for connectivity |
| 16:35.38 | erchache | knight_lord: dd is the best way to restore a system if a harddisk has a hardware fail no? |
| 16:35.55 | Knight_Lord | erchache there's a tool called dd_rescue made for that |
| 16:35.58 | cahoot | xiaoyu: can this be of use? http://cjk.ffii.org/ |
| 16:35.58 | stew | bananafly: try "update-pciids" and running lspci again looking for the netgear, however that is an old card, and really should be showing up |
| 16:35.58 | xiaoyu | how can i setup a TeX env with CJK surport |
| 16:36.09 | stew | bananafly: can you put the output of "lspci -v" into a pastebin? |
| 16:36.09 | erchache | and if i change harddisk model? |
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| 16:36.15 | xiaoyu | cahoot, ths |
| 16:36.16 | erchache | dd can restore too? |
| 16:36.24 | bananafly | stew: the card itself is working, the little green light next to the port is shining |
| 16:36.27 | Knight_Lord | erchache if it's normal hard disk no part of raid then dd_rescue is probably the best you can do |
| 16:36.35 | bananafly | so what's wrong then? |
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| 16:36.35 | Knight_Lord | erchache no problem with that |
| 16:36.42 | erchache | ok |
| 16:36.52 | erchache | but i need a external usb disk to do that no? |
| 16:36.59 | Knight_Lord | erchache to do what? |
| 16:37.01 | erchache | the fastest |
| 16:37.04 | stew | bananafly: i don't know what is wrong. if its not showing up in lspci, you won't be able to use it |
| 16:37.13 | erchache | dd from my partitions to a external storage |
| 16:37.15 | Knight_Lord | erchache you can just plug another internal disk, no need to be external |
| 16:37.27 | cahoot | xiaoyu: and this http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/bh/cjk.html |
| 16:37.29 | erchache | well but i want to use it to other server |
| 16:37.44 | Knight_Lord | erchache it's just that usb is not that fast |
| 16:37.53 | erchache | ahhh |
| 16:38.01 | Knight_Lord | erchache you would be better with 2 gigabit cards probably or an external sata |
| 16:38.11 | bananafly | stew: update-pciids don't work since the pc isn't connected to the internet, no network card is working |
| 16:38.19 | bananafly | that's why im here :) |
| 16:38.29 | erchache | ufff where i can find now a sun fire v65 hotplug hardisk case to install a new scsi harddisk? =D |
| 16:38.40 | stew | bananafly: that shouldn't really matter, fa311 is quite an old card, the pciids should be there |
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| 16:39.43 | bananafly | could it be the broken ethernet port causing problems? |
| 16:39.56 | Knight_Lord | erchache just for you to have an idea, on my gigabit network i don't get more than 60MB/s with ftp and that's the fastest protocol |
| 16:39.59 | bananafly | the one on the motherboard |
| 16:40.28 | erchache | knight_lord: im same situation :-S |
| 16:40.38 | Knight_Lord | erchache almost this might also have to do with too much traffic on the PCI bus |
| 16:41.01 | ANyoN | does anyone have a hpt37x2 driver disk around for debian 3.1 |
| 16:41.29 | erchache | for this reason i make i only make backups of data over network |
| 16:41.42 | erchache | and entire harddisk over dd on other harddisk |
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| 16:43.18 | Knight_Lord | erchache in my case with PCI raid controllers the PCI bus can get quite stressed. With software raid it can go to 180MB/s just to write 60MB/s |
| 16:44.26 | yggdrasil | i cant find the boot flppy image anywhere on the debian download sites .. am i missing something ? |
| 16:44.27 | erchache | no no i have hardware raid |
| 16:44.41 | kspath | hmmm. I get an error when I type: man automatic-door |
| 16:44.52 | erchache | but its more cheap a external usb disk than a new scsi hd |
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| 16:45.20 | erchache | and i need to backup other rack server....and doesnt have scsi and doesnt have free space for more harddisk |
| 16:45.24 | wwallace | hello to all |
| 16:45.27 | wwallace | ASL? |
| 16:45.31 | abrotman | wrong damn channel |
| 16:45.36 | wwallace | hi |
| 16:45.38 | wwallace | abrotman |
| 16:45.43 | wwallace | hjow the hell are you? |
| 16:45.49 | kspath | !tell wwallace about enter |
| 16:45.55 | abrotman | wwallace: still using kanotix? |
| 16:45.56 | Konky | haha |
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| 16:46.03 | Konky | 13/f/german |
| 16:46.05 | wwallace | yes |
| 16:46.07 | wwallace | the best |
| 16:46.21 | kspath | !tell Konky about AOL |
| 16:46.21 | wwallace | CPU[AMD Athlon 64 3200+ clocked at 2210.921 Mhz] Kernel[Linux 2.6.15.4-slh-1 i686] Up[-10:36-] Mem[-588.652/629.332MB-] HDD[-1072GB(39%used)-] Procs[-111-] Client[X-Chat 2.4.5] |
| 16:46.28 | abrotman | wwallace: STOP BEING AN ASSHOLE |
| 16:46.34 | wwallace | who me? |
| 16:46.36 | Konky | thanks ^^ |
| 16:46.37 | abrotman | always |
| 16:46.39 | wwallace | you ask for kanotix |
| 16:46.44 | wwallace | i just gave you the info |
| 16:46.52 | wwallace | is only 2 lines |
| 16:46.54 | abrotman | i didn't ask for your system specs that you always think we care about |
| 16:46.58 | wwallace | oh |
| 16:47.06 | wwallace | but i have the long version |
| 16:47.10 | abrotman | piss off and die |
| 16:47.14 | yggdrasil | is there way thati can eedit grub to boot to the debian installation cd ? |
| 16:47.16 | wwallace | i jst put the short version |
| 16:47.29 | wwallace | you really touchy today abrotman what happened to you? |
| 16:47.41 | bananafly | yggdrasil: i think BIOS does that... |
| 16:47.50 | abrotman | wwallace: afaict .. you don't use debian .. nor have ever |
| 16:47.52 | kspath | wwallace: abrotman is not high or drunk. |
| 16:47.53 | wwallace | bye |
| 16:47.55 | stew | wwallace: if you aren't running debian, unless you have questions about how to get and install debian, please keep quit or move along |
| 16:47.55 | bananafly | at least mine does |
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| 16:48.02 | yggdrasil | bananafly its an older comptuer that wont boot off of the cdrom... |
| 16:48.12 | bananafly | oh |
| 16:48.42 | yggdrasil | and im going crazy trying to find the floppy boot image on deb site .. i cant find it |
| 16:48.46 | stew | bananafly: i don't think a broken ethernet port on the motherboard would affect another pci device, but who knows. you should maybe try moving the netgear to another slot |
| 16:49.02 | abrotman | !grub boot floppy |
| 16:49.04 | abrotman | !grub boot image |
| 16:49.06 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 16:49.12 | yggdrasil | hah |
| 16:49.14 | laurens | grmbl!! I can not get NFS writing to work. |
| 16:49.18 | laurens | mounting works fine |
| 16:49.22 | laurens | permissions are 775 everywhere |
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| 16:49.35 | laurens | catting /proc/mounts shows it IS mounted rw |
| 16:49.37 | abrotman | !grub floppy image |
| 16:49.39 | dpkg | somebody said grub floppy image was ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 16:49.42 | bananafly | stew: bah... back to bending out metal peices from the back of the computer... damn Compaq sux... |
| 16:49.46 | laurens | but I can not write stuff |
| 16:49.47 | GutterPunk | Hello |
| 16:49.51 | cahoot | laurens: fs corruption? |
| 16:49.53 | laurens | touch: cannot touch `foo': Permission denied |
| 16:49.53 | GutterPunk | Where can I find some unofficial debian netinstall images? |
| 16:49.54 | yggdrasil | oh i know ill mount the cdrom and then copy the vmlinuz and initrd over to the hd.... that should work |
| 16:49.56 | laurens | cahoot: nope |
| 16:50.01 | abrotman | GutterPunk: to do what? |
| 16:50.03 | laurens | cahoot: both boxes are running fine |
| 16:50.06 | GutterPunk | abrotman: The official images don't work for me |
| 16:50.09 | laurens | cahoot: if I ssh to it i can do all of that |
| 16:50.20 | abrotman | GutterPunk: why not? did you try the 2.6 and 2.4 kernels? |
| 16:50.22 | Ronin | GutterPunk: dont work in what way? |
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| 16:51.20 | GutterPunk | abrotman: yes I tried both. The driver for my usbnet ethernet device arent included in 2.4 apparently, and installing using 2.6 hangs at the ide-disk module insertion. But I can't make it not load or it won't work either |
| 16:51.39 | abrotman | GutterPunk: and you want sarge ? or etch? |
| 16:51.56 | GutterPunk | Very strange. Sometimes the module for my ethernet device loads but then I get a very weird MAC |
| 16:52.09 | GutterPunk | abrotman: I alse tried the testing netinstall image :/ |
| 16:52.24 | abrotman | GutterPunk: the daily or beta1? |
| 16:52.38 | GutterPunk | it works fine on my other boxes, but I'd like debian on this laptop. I'm getting fed up with this opensuse stuff |
| 16:52.52 | GutterPunk | abrotman: the beta |
| 16:52.52 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:52.59 | abrotman | GutterPunk: try a daily |
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| 16:53.03 | abrotman | !tell GutterPunk about d-i |
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| 16:53.07 | GutterPunk | i'll do that |
| 16:53.08 | abrotman | !tell GutterPunk about sarge 2.6.14 |
| 16:53.09 | abrotman | !tell GutterPunk about sarge 2.6.15 |
| 16:53.11 | quad3d | does grep -l print the filename of matched expression upon matches? trying to "cat * |grep lcd" but i need to know the file name |
| 16:53.13 | abrotman | !tell GutterPunk about custom netinst |
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| 16:53.50 | GutterPunk | abrotman: thanks for the links :) |
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| 16:53.55 | Boethius | ASL ? |
| 16:54.03 | yggdrasil | hahah that worked!!! |
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| 16:54.23 | yggdrasil | i love linux |
| 16:54.26 | abrotman | fucking kanotix idiots |
| 16:54.27 | harfooz | hi y'all. I would like to get a transparent debian logo that would be suitable for including in an OpenOffice Impress presentation. The transparent logos I have found thus far have been way too small. Anyone have a large Debian transparent spiral I could snag for a slide show? |
| 16:54.30 | stew | quad3d: try "grep lcd *" |
| 16:54.35 | quad3d | thanks |
| 16:54.37 | quad3d | tyring |
| 16:54.54 | itguy | i did apt-get install usbmanager and now i can't login my gnome |
| 16:55.02 | stew | harfooz: http://debian.org/logos |
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| 16:55.10 | abrotman | wwallace: come on .. go away |
| 16:55.13 | itguy | please help |
| 16:55.17 | abrotman | wwallace: and don't send boethius in again |
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| 16:55.23 | wwallace | why im not doing anything abrotman |
| 16:55.31 | quad3d | stew: thanks. worked as expected. greatly appreciated it |
| 16:55.35 | Roey | abrotman: HI! |
| 16:55.37 | wwallace | whos zt? |
| 16:55.52 | harfooz | stew: those logos are just so tiny. :-( |
| 16:56.14 | itguy | I get the X server is disabled now..Restart GDM when it's configured right |
| 16:56.20 | stew | harfooz: the eps ones might be scalable |
| 16:56.20 | itguy | anyone help? |
| 16:56.31 | wwallace | i, love this chat room u huys r great |
| 16:56.34 | harfooz | ah -- okay -- thanks! |
| 16:56.36 | beardy | !restart x |
| 16:56.37 | dpkg | Don't reboot. Just restart X. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace if you are logged in. '/etc/init.d/?dm restart' if not, as root. (where ?dm can be xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, other display manager) |
| 16:56.38 | harfooz | I'll give it a shot. |
| 16:56.44 | kspath | What the devil is wrong with people that can not support their own distributions but rather annoy others for no good purpose? Lead poisoning maybe? |
| 16:56.56 | Ronin | kspath: parents too closely related |
| 16:57.02 | Ronin | as in theres are not yours |
| 16:57.09 | beardy | kspath: Plain old fucktard syndrome probably. |
| 16:57.09 | kspath | Ronin: huys is poor typing skillzese for guys |
| 16:57.23 | stew | itguy: what happens when you run "startx"? "no core pointers found"? |
| 16:57.25 | wwallace | whi is dpkg he kkeps on query me |
| 16:57.34 | wwallace | i dont like to query without asking |
| 16:58.04 | beardy | wwallace: troll somewhere else, preferebly in a /msg with yourself |
| 16:58.14 | itguy | stew: yes |
| 16:58.19 | wwallace | oh ok |
| 16:58.20 | wwallace | bye |
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| 16:58.31 | Ronin | that was too easy :) |
| 16:58.36 | beardy | yeah.. |
| 16:58.42 | stew | itguy: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 16:58.55 | yggdrasil | beardy i go the vmlinuz files and initrd files off the full install cd and passed the info to grub and it toaly booted and then i was able to compeltely erase the hard drive and do a fresh install ;) |
| 16:59.14 | itguy | 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 16:59.26 | itguy | stew: 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 16:59.29 | stew | itguy: do you have the "mousedev" module loaded? |
| 16:59.37 | beardy | yggdrasil: nice :) |
| 16:59.38 | stew | itguy: i'm assuming you mean -2-386 not -3-386 |
| 17:00.08 | yggdrasil | beardy it was running dam small before.. i got frustrated with it because it had limited upgrade option the packages were all out of date.... |
| 17:00.13 | itguy | stew: yes -2-386 ...i don't know if i have a mousedev loaded |
| 17:00.25 | beardy | yggdrasil: So it's sarge now? |
| 17:00.31 | yggdrasil | yep |
| 17:00.33 | beardy | yggdrasil: Good for you. |
| 17:00.47 | yggdrasil | its a p130 with 32 mb of ram haha well see how it comes out ... |
| 17:00.56 | stew | itguy: run "modprobe mousedev" and try startx again. did you choose /dev/input/mice in your x config? |
| 17:01.11 | itguy | stew: no |
| 17:01.23 | beardy | yggdrasil: Should work fine. But if you can find more RAM for it, it will be happy for it. |
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| 17:01.40 | yggdrasil | actualy p160... old laptop ill make it work.... beardy yea the ram would be nice... ill do flux |
| 17:01.41 | stew | itguy: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and choose /dev/input/mice |
| 17:01.43 | beardy | yggdrasil: How much swap do you have? |
| 17:01.49 | yggdrasil | 100 mb |
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| 17:02.18 | beardy | yggdrasil: Yeah, use a lightweight windowmanager, if you need/want X at all. |
| 17:02.19 | yggdrasil | i think that should be enough ? |
| 17:02.30 | kspath | nox |
| 17:02.39 | yggdrasil | its a fun project my other laptop got ripped off .... !! |
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| 17:03.09 | sm00f | could someone recommend a good brute force passwd cracker for linux |
| 17:03.23 | kspath | sm00f: use google |
| 17:03.33 | beardy | sm00f: If you can't search, you shouldn't use one. |
| 17:03.35 | stew | sm00f: john |
| 17:03.47 | beardy | !tell sm00f -about search |
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| 17:04.21 | sm00f | stew, thx |
| 17:04.33 | angler | any idea why some widgets in gtk programs don't show on one of my monitors but does on the other? |
| 17:04.33 | kimo___ | I installed debian in a chroot using debootstrap, but it didnt get apt! how am I supposed to continue? |
| 17:04.50 | kspath | There are legit reasons to use password crackerz but even in those cases. Great care should be taken. |
| 17:05.27 | dvm1981 | stew: How long time john need to take aproc? Curently hi is on 31:20:23:24 |
| 17:06.00 | stew | dvm1981: i'm sorry i didn't understand that question |
| 17:06.09 | kspath | stew: you were not the only one. |
| 17:06.16 | ekkikrist | dvm1981: It's done when it's done |
| 17:06.52 | bananafly | stew: the weird thing is that the pcmcia card worked when i was installing debian |
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| 17:07.13 | dvm1981 | stew : I run john now for 31:20:23:24, and look that it not done. I would know aprocimative how many time i must wait for that he crack the local one here. Curious to see how long time it take. |
| 17:07.20 | stew | bananafly: that's not wierd, there is no reason for it not to work |
| 17:07.22 | dvm1981 | ekkikrist: That's sure... |
| 17:07.28 | stew | bananafly: what chipset is it? |
| 17:07.38 | ekkikrist | dvm1981: Nobody really knows how long it might take :) |
| 17:07.43 | bananafly | stew: dunno |
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| 17:08.02 | kspath | dvm1981: Go look now! It is done. |
| 17:08.12 | stew | dvm1981: there is no long to predict, if the password is strong it could take a very very long time |
| 17:08.15 | dvm1981 | ekkikrist, stew : Im happy that is already more than 31:20:23:24, So secure :-) |
| 17:08.20 | stew | ^long^way |
| 17:08.35 | laurens | anyone know NFS here? |
| 17:08.38 | laurens | I can't write. |
| 17:08.48 | kspath | dvm1981: Do you understand how/what john does? |
| 17:08.54 | laurens | I can mount it fine, and it shows up as being mounted rw in /proc/mounts |
| 17:09.02 | Ts0p | stew i still can't start gnome |
| 17:09.04 | stew | laurens: you have (rw) for the client ip in /etc/exports? |
| 17:09.07 | dvm1981 | kspath: He try every possible password? |
| 17:09.09 | stew | Ts0p: why not? |
| 17:09.17 | laurens | yah |
| 17:09.27 | laurens | /var/www 192.168.2.139(rw,async) 192.168.2.106(rw,async) |
| 17:09.32 | stew | bananafly: you need to figure out what chipset your wireless is and what kernel module supports it |
| 17:09.42 | dvm1981 | kspath: There are other options, but i use the default and want to see how many time it's take to ... |
| 17:09.50 | kspath | dvm1981: Well that is a very rough description. Do you understand the how/why concepts behind it? |
| 17:09.57 | Ts0p | stew Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It's likeley that it is not set up correctly |
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| 17:10.23 | yggdrasil | can i use john to try and crack a sonicwall that i forgot the pw on ? |
| 17:10.27 | dvm1981 | kspath: I test it local, on my fastest computer. |
| 17:10.27 | kspath | dvm1981: How much "time" has many dependencies. |
| 17:10.29 | Ts0p | stew and i just did the dpk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:10.39 | beardy | yggdrasil: sonicwall? |
| 17:10.39 | stew | Ts0p: you need to look at the X logs for lines starting with EE to see what the error is |
| 17:10.53 | yggdrasil | beardy a sonicwall firewall witha web interface, web login.. |
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| 17:10.59 | malcomx | bonjour |
| 17:11.00 | eheil | marillat/quit |
| 17:11.02 | dvm1981 | kspath: Sorry, how many time... |
| 17:11.04 | malcomx | quelqu'un me voi |
| 17:11.10 | malcomx | y a des francais? |
| 17:11.17 | yggdrasil | un peu |
| 17:11.17 | dvm1981 | vi |
| 17:11.19 | stew | !fr |
| 17:11.19 | dpkg | well, fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
| 17:11.20 | beardy | yggdrasil: wtf is sonicwall in the first place? |
| 17:11.28 | bananafly | stew: i have found a guide that says i will have to install pcmcia-cs and linux-wlan but pcmcia-cs complains about pcmcia not being enabled when i do make config on it :( |
| 17:11.30 | yggdrasil | beardy its a hardware firewall |
| 17:11.50 | poncha|laptop | guys, how can i debug cron.d files? (cron scripts inside /etc/cron.d ) is it possible to make cron run on one of them explicitly and see what goes on? |
| 17:12.00 | Ts0p | stew (EE) xf86openserial:cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 17:12.00 | malcomx | lol c cool |
| 17:12.16 | malcomx | vous etes sous linux j dirai au plus grand ddes hasards |
| 17:12.23 | stew | bananafly: those instructions are outdated, they are for 2.4 kernels |
| 17:12.27 | bananafly | Ts0p: i had that one too, try replacing your USB mouse with a PS/2 one |
| 17:12.28 | kspath | !tell malcomx about fr |
| 17:12.30 | stew | Ts0p: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:12.39 | laurens | malcomx: speak english or die |
| 17:12.44 | dvm1981 | malcomx: Tu devrait faire '/join #debian-fr' |
| 17:12.44 | azeem | laurens: eh, no |
| 17:12.45 | stew | malcomx: english only here. /join #debian-fr |
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| 17:12.49 | malcomx | lol sorry i dont speak english |
| 17:12.54 | beardy | laurens: ehm |
| 17:12.56 | malcomx | i m bad in english |
| 17:13.00 | azeem | malcomx: so speak frensh in #debianfr |
| 17:13.04 | dvm1981 | malcomx: ^^^ |
| 17:13.05 | bananafly | u speak it now malcomx |
| 17:13.05 | wols_ | we're worse in french |
| 17:13.06 | azeem | french, even |
| 17:13.06 | malcomx | debien:fr thanks man |
| 17:13.07 | laurens | malcomx: vas a #debianfr |
| 17:13.08 | stew | !wb azeem |
| 17:13.08 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! azeem has returned! |
| 17:13.08 | Ronin | malcomx: then /j #debian-fr |
| 17:13.09 | yggdrasil | nou ne parl pas fraincais |
| 17:13.11 | beardy | !u |
| 17:13.11 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:13.12 | Ts0p | stew:2.6.8-2-386 |
| 17:13.12 | yggdrasil | nous |
| 17:13.14 | malcomx | merci bcp :) |
| 17:13.19 | azeem | stew! |
| 17:13.25 | Ronin | oops debianfr i mean |
| 17:13.32 | stew | Ts0p: do you have the "mousedev" and "psmouse" moduels loaded? |
| 17:13.46 | yggdrasil | voulez vous fair le cyber? |
| 17:13.51 | Ts0p | stew i don'e know |
| 17:14.04 | azeem | yggdrasil: not in here, go elsewhere |
| 17:14.05 | Ts0p | stew should i do modprobe |
| 17:14.12 | stew | Ts0p: try "modprobe mousedev ; modprobe psmouse" and try to start x again |
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| 17:14.35 | bananafly | stew: what must i do to get pcmcia working then? |
| 17:14.47 | stew | bananafly: modprobe a driver for your card |
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| 17:15.06 | bananafly | the dwl-650 or the cardbus bridge? |
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| 17:15.17 | Ts0p | stew this might be stupid but how can i start X |
| 17:15.29 | wols_ | Ts0p: startx |
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| 17:15.47 | beardy | Ts0p: Is it installed? |
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| 17:16.57 | Ts0p | beardy yeah , but the usb mouse is not working , i'm using the laptop touch pad |
| 17:17.12 | onweald_tim | I install php4 using apt-get php4-dev, however php command doesn't exist. Is there a package that I have to install to get php to work? |
| 17:17.17 | stew | bananafly: dwl-650. iirc that's a prism, and you should try modprobe orinoco_cs |
| 17:17.44 | bananafly | stew: doh. if you plug a dwl-650 into a pcmcia->pci converter it's a dwl-500 |
| 17:18.33 | beardy | Ts0p: You have read "/msg dpkg usbmouse"? |
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| 17:18.45 | Ts0p | stew :, but the usb mouse is not working , i'm using the laptop touch pad |
| 17:18.48 | onweald_tim | googling howto debian php install doesn't return anything... |
| 17:19.00 | resiak | !install php |
| 17:19.02 | resiak | :( |
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| 17:19.35 | onweald_tim | resiak: I looked at that but it installs apache as part of its dependencies. I just want php... |
| 17:19.45 | SlayerXP | onweald_tim: php4-dev is the package containing the development libraries for php4. |
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| 17:19.56 | beardy | onweald_tim: which php? |
| 17:20.02 | SlayerXP | onweald_tim: if you think hard, you'll be able to logivally deduce the name of the package you need |
| 17:20.08 | stew | Ts0p: what beardy said |
| 17:20.14 | resiak | !info php4-cli |
| 17:20.19 | dpkg | php4-cli: (command-line interpreter for the php4 scripting language), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.4.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1560 kB, Installed size: 3116 kB |
| 17:20.24 | resiak | !info php4-cgi |
| 17:20.28 | laurens | how do i replace mcedit with vim? |
| 17:20.29 | dpkg | php4-cgi: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (CGI binary)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.4.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3107 kB, Installed size: 6096 kB |
| 17:20.34 | onweald_tim | Thanks resiak! |
| 17:20.46 | stew | laurens: update-alternatives --config editor ; or set the EDITOR env variable |
| 17:20.46 | beardy | laurens: As your default editor, or what? |
| 17:20.51 | beardy | !alternatives |
| 17:20.51 | dpkg | alternatives is probably the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. |
| 17:20.53 | laurens | not sure |
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| 17:21.03 | laurens | my current default editor IS vim |
| 17:21.06 | laurens | but mc opens mcedit |
| 17:21.22 | onweald_tim | No one rights such a basic help page. I had no idea I needed the cli. Thanks again. |
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| 17:21.25 | beardy | laurens: Well, that's mc's business, change it's options. |
| 17:21.34 | beardy | its |
| 17:21.39 | resiak | onweald_tim: apt-cache search --names-only # handy |
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| 17:21.58 | stew | laurens: check man mc; check /usr/share/doc/mc/* |
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| 17:22.19 | onweald_tim | Thanks resiak. I'll add that one to my kb. |
| 17:22.34 | laurens | man mc is 2.2klines |
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| 17:22.46 | beardy | laurens: ? |
| 17:23.01 | laurens | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.17 | kspath | laurens: And? |
| 17:23.19 | dvm1981 | laurens: '/etc/mc/' and look for the config files |
| 17:24.01 | laurens | ok |
| 17:24.01 | beardy | laurens: Just check it's confiuration, in the menu. |
| 17:24.03 | laurens | found it |
| 17:24.04 | laurens | thank you |
| 17:24.05 | laurens | :) |
| 17:24.54 | kspath | laurens: If you know what you looking for try keywords. use /keyword <CR> |
| 17:25.09 | bananafly | stew: modprobe made the light on the card shine, but there's still only eth0 in network-admin |
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| 17:25.40 | bananafly | wich is the broken port |
| 17:25.42 | laurens | that nickname is sooo wrong. |
| 17:26.22 | bananafly | o rly? |
| 17:26.28 | kspath | laurens: "that nickname" ? |
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| 17:26.35 | laurens | 19:25 -!- GreenGroper [n=n@24-116-57-44.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #debian |
| 17:26.39 | laurens | the verb to grope |
| 17:26.42 | laurens | i dunno |
| 17:26.45 | laurens | must be my dirty mind |
| 17:26.48 | GreenGroper | come on it's hilarious |
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| 17:27.49 | GreenGroper | I'm trying to fool i386 (unstable) in to thinking it's a Sparc or a S390 or (some arch) for research -- basically, I want to "apt-get update" for a different arch (i realize it'll probably break it). anyone know how i can do this? |
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| 17:29.22 | laurens | apt-get update wont break anything |
| 17:29.41 | laurens | in fact |
| 17:29.47 | laurens | i think the package lists arent per-arch |
| 17:29.56 | stew | laurens: they are per-arch |
| 17:30.14 | bananafly | stew: the card works now but doesnt show up :S |
| 17:30.37 | kspath | wtf |
| 17:30.40 | stew | bananafly: show up where? |
| 17:30.41 | bananafly | "works" as in "the green led is now on" |
| 17:30.46 | laurens | oh wait, they are |
| 17:30.49 | laurens | except for source |
| 17:30.50 | bananafly | show up in network-admin |
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| 17:31.13 | twb` | apt-proxy fails to start on my sid workstation. |
| 17:31.17 | stew | bananafly: what is network-admin? |
| 17:31.31 | kspath | stew: one of those GUI things I think |
| 17:31.35 | GreenGroper | well, is there any way to convince apt-get to get the list of sparc instead of i386? |
| 17:31.39 | twb` | I get "Failed to load application: No module named apt_pkg" |
| 17:31.44 | laurens | laurens@seaborgium:~$ apt-cache search network-admin | wc -l |
| 17:31.44 | laurens | 0 |
| 17:31.49 | kspath | bananafly: what does ifconfig -a show for that interface? |
| 17:31.50 | bananafly | stew: some network gui in gnomw |
| 17:31.53 | bananafly | *gnoe |
| 17:31.55 | bananafly | *gnome |
| 17:32.10 | bananafly | kspath: wait |
| 17:32.12 | laurens | if it gets its information like ifconfig does |
| 17:32.16 | laurens | perhaps the card is simply not up |
| 17:32.22 | laurens | anyway, use a console you weakling |
| 17:32.52 | stew | laurens: there is no need for name calling |
| 17:33.21 | kspath | laurens: I understand your logic but unless the target is abusive there is little/no call for such things. |
| 17:33.32 | laurens | meh |
| 17:33.44 | laurens | anyway, use a console, you gui-addict |
| 17:33.50 | bananafly | kspath: uhm lots of things but mostly zeroes. |
| 17:33.56 | laurens | I find gui-addict more insulting than "weakling" |
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| 17:34.07 | laurens | wait, I've got it |
| 17:34.10 | laurens | anyway, use a console |
| 17:34.12 | laurens | better, eh? |
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| 17:34.53 | bananafly | but there's no connection on that interface, the damn ethernet cord (wrong word?) keeps falling out |
| 17:35.01 | bananafly | it's broken :( |
| 17:35.19 | stew | bananafly: a green light doesn't really mean anything if you can't see it in lspci |
| 17:35.20 | kspath | bananafly: what does ifconfig -a show as a name for that interface? |
| 17:35.28 | kspath | hehehe |
| 17:35.32 | kspath | like minds |
| 17:35.46 | bananafly | stew: pcmcia cards don't show up in lspci was what you said |
| 17:36.24 | stew | bananafly: oh didn't know we were talking about a pcmcia card. since you said your pcmcia card was wireless and you are talking about a cable |
| 17:36.40 | bananafly | kspath: Ethernet HWaddr [something] |
| 17:36.43 | Eulex | stew, I see both my pcmcia network cards with lspci here. |
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| 17:37.05 | bananafly | stew: the cable goes to the broken eth port on the motherboard |
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| 17:37.19 | kspath | bananafly: left of that |
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| 17:37.50 | stew | Eulex: really? i don't think i've ever seen that. i don't know why a card that isn't a pci device would show up in lspci |
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| 17:38.37 | bananafly | kspath: [something] = 00:08:C7:A1:AF:99 |
| 17:38.42 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:39.03 | DevilChaos | i know ive asked this before but im still unsure how the hell do i read source code and what do i read it with ? :( |
| 17:39.33 | tiCo89 | vim |
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| 17:40.02 | kspath | less |
| 17:40.28 | kspath | DevilChaos: You might want to be more specific. |
| 17:40.32 | twb` | Thanks, I worked it out for myself. |
| 17:40.33 | bananafly | kspath: 'Iface, eth0, lo' |
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| 17:41.10 | bananafly | kspath: it's the broken one |
| 17:41.41 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.51 | bananafly | kspath: ? |
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| 17:42.27 | user__ | nick Celeste |
| 17:42.48 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:43.10 | DevilChaos | kspath: thats as spedcific as i can be i want to read any source code i can get my hands on but dont know how to go about reading it or what with should i be using emacs or......? |
| 17:43.12 | bananafly | kspath: eth0 is a broken port, i also have a pci ethernet card and a pcmcia wan card |
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| 17:43.46 | bananafly | DevilChaos: random text editor maybe? |
| 17:43.59 | mbuf | hi, i need to know what i need to install to have the beautiful xgl/opengl transparency, 3d window rotation etc; just compiled kernel 2.6.12 with radeon and drm support; using debian sarge 3.1r0a with ati 7500 on T41 |
| 17:44.24 | kspath | DevilChaos: Emacs and Vim can work. Some people like syntax highlighting while others say it annoys them. Your Milage May Vary |
| 17:44.27 | DevilChaos | nano would do it? |
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| 17:44.52 | tiCo89 | vim has syntax highlighting, so for code its better |
| 17:44.58 | tiCo89 | but that's individual |
| 17:45.03 | tiCo89 | for somethings i use nano too |
| 17:45.17 | kspath | DevilChaos: If you plan to actually do anything beside just looking at it use VIM or EMACS. I like Vim also. |
| 17:45.30 | bananafly | where did stew go? |
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| 17:45.56 | tiCo89 | or if it has to be a gui use kdevelop, gvim or gedit |
| 17:46.07 | tiCo89 | they all support syntax highlighting |
| 17:46.33 | kspath | bananafly: Type: ip link Does that show anything other than the "broken" interface? |
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| 17:47.25 | bananafly | ip aint no command :( |
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| 17:47.49 | metellius | what is the difference between all the binary-# images of debian? |
| 17:48.02 | kspath | DevilChaos: I use Vim with nvi and gedit as fall backs. I only like gedit because one time I was stuck and gedit just worked in that case. |
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| 17:49.03 | GreenGroper | does anyone know where apt.conf is located by default? mine isn't in /etc/apt ? |
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| 17:49.54 | srid | any deb for gtk2-emacs-cvs with anti-aliased fonts? |
| 17:50.05 | stew | GreenGroper: there isn't one by default. create on or put a file into /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
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| 17:50.25 | concept10 | Has anyone seen this HCL database? http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ Im wondering how he parses that infomation from ls -n |
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| 17:52.04 | DevilChaos | kspath thank you very much ill give it a whirle |
| 17:52.13 | ace77 | G'day people :) |
| 17:52.30 | Eulex | concept10, he combines it with info found in hotplug and the kernel on which device ids need which driver. |
| 17:52.30 | DevilChaos | gday |
| 17:52.46 | kspath | bananafly: ls -la /sbin/ip ? shows anything? |
| 17:52.54 | ace77 | Was wondering if i could get a hand fixing my packages i can't seem to figure out my issue |
| 17:52.56 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 17:52.57 | kspath | bananafly: ls -la /bin/ip ? shows anything? |
| 17:53.27 | concept10 | Eulex, I wish I knew how to put together that backend. That project needs attention |
| 17:53.39 | bananafly | kspath: nonexistant |
| 17:53.56 | ace77 | exim4-base is in a bad state it asks me to re-install it but i can't it will leave it and exim4-daemon-light unconfigured |
| 17:54.00 | Eulex | concept10, yes it does. |
| 17:54.18 | ace77 | anyone know how i can get it out or force it to properly install itself? |
| 17:54.38 | kspath | bananafly: I wish I could help more but I am FAR too weak and busy to attempt anything more. I would end up just wasting your time and mine. |
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| 17:55.10 | bananafly | kspath: ok :( |
| 17:55.31 | Eulex | stew, it's a texas instruments pci1131 cardbus controller, btw. in an ancient p2 300 w/ 64 mb ram. with one wired and one wireless pcmcia network card, both showing up in lspci |
| 17:55.33 | kspath | bananafly: There are other people here. I am just not the person that can help. |
| 17:55.45 | concept10 | Eulex, I thought about doing something like that a couple of months back. But I wanted to make a easy to install app compat with all distros, and would report back to a central database |
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| 17:56.14 | bananafly | kspath: one last thing; does modprobe make that module load on next reboot? |
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| 17:56.22 | ace77 | Guess it's somthing to google? lol |
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| 17:57.39 | stew | Eulex: the pcmcia bridge shows up in lspci or the pcmcia device? |
| 17:57.49 | jief- | hello, when using echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections, in which file does it change the package state? |
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| 17:58.16 | Eulex | concept10, you could ask kenshi. he'd probably be happy getting some help and/or giving you the source. |
| 17:58.17 | Eulex | stew, both |
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| 17:58.37 | wols_ | jief-: /var/lib/dpkg/ somewhere |
| 17:58.40 | stew | Eulex: interesting. like i said i hadn't seen that before |
| 17:58.46 | concept10 | Eulex, yeah, im going to do this. |
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| 17:59.13 | Eulex | stew, heh, ok |
| 18:00.27 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:00.27 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:00.33 | ace77 | Google is a no go :\ Anyone know what i can do about this msg from dpkg? Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should |
| 18:00.33 | ace77 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.00 | bananafly | !modprobe |
| 18:01.01 | dpkg | [modprobe] something you use to install modules with it |
| 18:01.07 | bananafly | duh... |
| 18:01.12 | stew | ace77: i assume you have tried reinstalling it. lemme guess, is it some 3rd party non-debian unsupported broken package? |
| 18:01.18 | ace77 | Exim4 |
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| 18:01.31 | ace77 | actually exim4-base |
| 18:01.43 | bananafly | If i modprobe a module does the module start on next boot? |
| 18:02.05 | wols_ | bananafly: no |
| 18:02.12 | mrex | bananafly: no, put the module name in /etc/modules |
| 18:02.13 | bananafly | (i know it starts directly but is it still there on next boot) |
| 18:02.18 | bananafly | mrex: ok |
| 18:02.22 | wols_ | bananafly: no |
| 18:02.27 | mrex | i've got a lcd screen with native resolution 1440x900. How can i "increase" (through virtual or something) the screen size i.e. make everything smaller. eg scale a virtual screen into the actual panel size?? |
| 18:02.36 | stew | ace77: have you tried reinstalling it? what version of debian? /msg dpkg bts ? |
| 18:03.39 | ace77 | running testing debain up to date .. i've tried removing it re-installing it and forceing out the packages to try and re-install |
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| 18:04.32 | stew | ace77: what happens when you try to reinstall it? |
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| 18:05.25 | ace77 | it give dep errors cause exim4-base is not installed before it's trying to install exim4-daemon-light and exim4 |
| 18:05.37 | thefish | does debian stable come with apache2? |
| 18:05.52 | dorel | i accidently deleted /var/cache/apt/archives directory and now it complains. is there a way to restore it/recover? |
| 18:05.52 | jonas3 | yes |
| 18:05.58 | Zugschlus | thefish: yes |
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| 18:06.09 | thefish | thanks Zugschlus |
| 18:06.12 | Zugschlus | thefish: you can chose whether you want to have apache or apache2 |
| 18:06.17 | Zugschlus | choose |
| 18:06.23 | thefish | is there a page with all the versions? |
| 18:06.29 | kimo___ | striving to install debian, I get "cant mmap package info file"??? any help please |
| 18:07.04 | dorel | jonas3: how can i fix this? |
| 18:07.14 | stew | ace77: can you paste the actual errors you get to a pastebin, and also include the output of "apt-cache policy exim4-base exim4-daemon-light" |
| 18:07.44 | Zugschlus | kimo___: you can google for that, it's an easy fix |
| 18:07.52 | kimo___ | Zugschlus: ok |
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| 18:08.00 | mrex | dorel: just make an empty directory |
| 18:08.11 | ace77 | i don't have apastebin account could i pm it by chance? |
| 18:08.16 | stew | dorel: mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives ; the fhs says you should be able to delete anything in /var/cache, but the apt developers have taken the interpretation that you are allowed to delete any files, but not directories |
| 18:08.24 | Zugschlus | ace77: pastebins do not require accounts |
| 18:08.36 | stew | !paster |
| 18:08.37 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 18:08.44 | stew | ace77: ^^^ |
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| 18:09.50 | kimo___ | Zugschlus: any hint what to add in google search |
| 18:09.51 | ace77 | ok here it is http://channels.debian.net/paste/1944 |
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| 18:10.32 | stew | ace77: can you try dpkg --configure -a |
| 18:10.44 | stew | ace77: oh wait |
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| 18:11.07 | stew | ace77: you have your debconf frontend set to x |
| 18:11.11 | ace77 | It's been plaguing me for weeks lol |
| 18:11.14 | ace77 | yea |
| 18:11.23 | Zugschlus | kimo___: the verbatim error message |
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| 18:12.22 | stew | ace77: try dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=Dialog debconf ; switch your frontend to Dialog, then try dpkg --configure -a |
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| 18:13.39 | ace77 | I still get the errors |
| 18:13.52 | sbk | I can't easily figure out from "apt-cache search" -- is there a package that will let me interoperate with MS Project? |
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| 18:14.58 | ace77 | sbk check google/aptitude? |
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| 18:15.16 | stew | ace77: were you able to reconfigure debconf? |
| 18:15.20 | ace77 | yes |
| 18:15.26 | stew | ace77: if so you shouldn't be getting the "frontend: cannot connect to X server" error anymore |
| 18:15.29 | ace77 | no |
| 18:15.40 | ace77 | was across ssh anyway |
| 18:16.30 | stew | ace77: what happens when you try to install exim4-base now? |
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| 18:17.24 | dorel | ok i managed to fix apt's problem |
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| 18:18.25 | ace77 | I think it's finally working :) |
| 18:18.56 | ace77 | Awesome thanbk you so much stew |
| 18:18.59 | ace77 | thank* |
| 18:19.14 | ace77 | I can't believe it was the X front end doing it... |
| 18:19.33 | ace77 | my apt cache is finally in one piece lol |
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| 18:20.02 | shining | is exim4 useful for a nomal user using a desktop? |
| 18:20.20 | ace77 | depends on what you need for mail services |
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| 18:20.27 | ace77 | imho it's better then sendmail lol |
| 18:20.27 | streuner | shining: no |
| 18:20.33 | kimo___ | where can I download the latest debootstrap ? |
| 18:20.44 | SammyTheSnake | hi all, I have a reproducible crash using the new version of mysql (5.0.18-7, freshly in from unstable to testing) can anyone help me track down the cause of the problem or point me to a solution? |
| 18:20.47 | streuner | kimo___: pdo.debian.net? |
| 18:20.56 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: did you checxk the BTS? |
| 18:21.29 | shining | ace77: what could I need? |
| 18:21.29 | streuner | kimo___: for a desktop-user its more than enough to just setup a smarthost |
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| 18:21.57 | shining | streuner: I don't even know what it's |
| 18:21.58 | kimo___ | streuner: talking to me ? |
| 18:22.03 | shining | no, to me |
| 18:22.05 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: yeah, I didn't see anything that looked like me, a reproducible daemon reset ought to be fairly easy to spot, I'd've thought! |
| 18:22.10 | kimo___ | :) |
| 18:22.14 | streuner | kimo___: yes... |
| 18:22.22 | streuner | to shining |
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| 18:22.25 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: can you tell why it's crashing? |
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| 18:23.10 | shining | streuner: is that explained in debian install docs? |
| 18:23.32 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: I have a script that's supposed to import a bunch of data into a DB, but when we get to a particular query, shifting a lot of data from a temporary table to the live one, I get an error saying the mysql server connection was lost, then running /etc/init.d/mysql status tells me the server process uptime is just a few seconds, i.e. it just crashed and restarted |
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| 18:23.49 | SammyTheSnake | it's the same query every time, but the query itself is pretty innocuous, |
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| 18:24.09 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: it is version 5 .. not exactly bulletproof(though .. is mysql ever bulletproof?) |
| 18:24.13 | giacus | hello |
| 18:24.16 | streuner | shining: it was easy in exim version 3 to setup via smarthost, i could imagine that the maintainers set it up the same way |
| 18:24.23 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: if you go up to that point .. and run it through the interface .. what happens? |
| 18:24.28 | streuner | shining: dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 18:25.04 | giacus | i'm going to install Debian in a new HD, CPU is P4 3 ghz, 1 gb ram, is it ok i386 ? I'd like to use netinstall testing version |
| 18:25.22 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: I'll just try that, hold on |
| 18:25.51 | ace77 | giacus i386 should install but when you do an update it should change it up to i686 |
| 18:25.59 | shining | streuner: the problem is I don't know what it's for |
| 18:26.16 | giacus | ace77: is it correct then to start with i386 |
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| 18:26.41 | streuner | shining: smarthost is the SMTP server from your ISP, your MTA manage all traffic over the smarthost then |
| 18:27.15 | ace77 | giacus you should have no problems with it |
| 18:27.29 | giacus | ok, thanks |
| 18:27.34 | ace77 | np :) |
| 18:27.40 | shining | streuner: ha ok, I just need to put the address of my isp smtp server, and I would be able to send mail using the mail command for example? |
| 18:27.50 | giacus | now looking for the netinstall iso.. |
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| 18:28.33 | curt | !install debian |
| 18:28.33 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 18:29.03 | giacus | ouch not found :( http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:29.08 | giacus | seems down |
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| 18:29.42 | Andy298 | the email addy for all system mail is.... root@localhost can i make it goto a different email address (all system errors / logs etc)? |
| 18:30.04 | curt | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:30.14 | giacus | curt: thanks |
| 18:30.32 | giacus | is that Testing ? |
| 18:30.48 | shining | it looks more like sarge |
| 18:31.08 | curt | giacus, you need to install sarge and dist-upgrade to etch |
| 18:31.20 | Mr_Morden | can anyone help me with a regex rule? Match any Number Not Followed by a "x" and then followed again with 2 or more Numbers (e.g. not matching this: ......1600x1200.....) |
| 18:31.29 | giacus | curt: ok, ty |
| 18:31.47 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: I just tried your suggestion and even from the cli client, I get the same error message "Lost connection to MySQL server during query" |
| 18:32.09 | streuner | shining: it depends on a MTA, so i would *guess* it use the MTA what you already have installed... |
| 18:32.19 | wols_ | 0 |
| 18:32.24 | shining | streuner: ok |
| 18:32.36 | wols_ | Andy298: /etc/aliases |
| 18:33.04 | Andy298 | wols_: is it possible to get regular mail from the system or on all errors etc? |
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| 18:33.22 | wols_ | I don't know what you mean |
| 18:33.25 | shining | Mr_Morden: just match a resolution, then take the contrary |
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| 18:33.38 | wols_ | any mail sent to root@ for example will get rerouted to a different mail acc |
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| 18:34.34 | Andy298 | im using postfix - will it still work? |
| 18:34.55 | wols_ | yes it will |
| 18:35.06 | wols_ | man aliases |
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| 18:36.31 | ghatak | Hi, are there any generic forum readers? the reason i am asking is that most forums do not provide an RSS feed and it is very hard to keep an eye on new posts!!! |
| 18:36.51 | jvw | I'm not aware of any |
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| 18:39.20 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: maybe the query before is killing it? |
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| 18:39.30 | yggdrasil | !sources |
| 18:39.30 | dpkg | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to /etc/apt/sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list, |
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| 18:41.02 | yggdrasil | what is some good sources to use for sarge my list is empty .. just cdrom drive |
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| 18:41.49 | Ronin | yggdrasil: apt-setup |
| 18:41.57 | yggdrasil | ronin thanks |
| 18:41.59 | yggdrasil | ;) |
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| 18:43.24 | flawd | is there any program for debian that can edit movies (avi or mpg) and adjust contast / levels etc? |
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| 18:44.56 | iNAP | i aptitude install gnome-themes-extras.. now how do i 'load' it? |
| 18:45.24 | blondie | should just work I think |
| 18:45.41 | iNAP | just work? |
| 18:46.10 | blondie | yes |
| 18:46.13 | shining | there is a gnome tool for setting themes |
| 18:46.15 | blondie | you don't need to "loan" it |
| 18:46.20 | blondie | you just need to change the theme |
| 18:46.21 | shining | in preferences menu |
| 18:46.27 | iNAP | which i get to from? |
| 18:46.49 | curt | desktop>preferences>theme |
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| 18:47.04 | iNAP | hu |
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| 18:47.11 | cheloo | i try to reconfigure poftix , now is asking me Do you want to use procmail to deliver local mail? what should i answer ? yes or no ? |
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| 18:47.37 | iNAP | once i enter from the gnome login screen.. |
| 18:47.39 | BuNnYy | hello all ! |
| 18:47.44 | streuner | cheloo: yes |
| 18:47.58 | curt | cheloo, do you want procmail to deliver local mail? |
| 18:47.59 | cheloo | thanks |
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| 18:49.03 | cheloo | streuner Enter pass phrase for smtpd.key: what should i type here ? |
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| 18:49.45 | AciD | what's the best webcam for linux supported by debian ? |
| 18:49.58 | streuner | cheloo: what do you want, you want to setup postfix to use via smarthost? |
| 18:50.20 | BuNnYy | how live in Colombia !? |
| 18:50.36 | cheloo | streuner :)) why are you saying that ? |
| 18:50.42 | iNAP | where is this prefrences tab? and do i change it threw root? |
| 18:51.16 | cheloo | streuner i follow a guide for postfix and now i have to enter something there ... looks like thats a ssl key |
| 18:51.35 | yggdrasil | is xserver-xorg the package i would want to get to setup x ? |
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| 18:51.45 | cheloo | yes |
| 18:51.46 | curt | cheloo, see the three tabs at the top > applications . places . desktop? it's in desktop |
| 18:52.02 | curt | oh wrong person sorry cheloo |
| 18:52.14 | cheloo | curt np |
| 18:52.19 | iNAP | oh in the login screen? |
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| 18:52.31 | yggdrasil | keeps sayn it cant find that package ... xserver-xorg |
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| 18:52.46 | cheloo | streuner ? |
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| 18:53.33 | curt | yggdrasil, or in sarge xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:53.42 | yggdrasil | ah its sarge |
| 18:53.58 | Andy298 | so.......in my /etc/aliases if i put "root: contact@mydomain.com" it will forward anything with root in it to my email? |
| 18:54.15 | cheloo | yggdrasil get xorg it better :) |
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| 18:54.22 | yggdrasil | i keep getting cannot contact Molly via gethostbyname() ... ? |
| 18:54.32 | yggdrasil | im just full of problems |
| 18:54.35 | gnd | does IE run under Wine? |
| 18:54.36 | dassaev | 8yytyttytytyyg |
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| 18:54.43 | dassaev | ello |
| 18:54.43 | Ronin | gnd: yes but why would you want to |
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| 18:54.52 | iNAP | i dont see a prefrences.. when i left click, i see a Main Menu |
| 18:54.54 | dassaev | 6t6t78767yt8 |
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| 18:55.04 | curt | yggdrasil, i dont's think xorg is in srage |
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| 18:55.20 | dassaev | aaa |
| 18:55.24 | Ronin | no in sarge its still xfree, etch has xorg as i recall |
| 18:55.29 | gnd | Ronin: there is a service that requires IE, it doesn't work with firefox and I'm fed up with having to bring my work laptop home to use it |
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| 18:55.47 | curt | iNAP, i think you need to login first then change your preference |
| 18:56.01 | iNAP | i did login |
| 18:56.05 | iNAP | obviously i did if im here.. |
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| 18:56.20 | abrotman | under Preferences .. should be a theme manager |
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| 18:56.27 | NoAgendas | Anyone know where I can get a free download of Debian OS template for Virtuozzo? |
| 18:56.28 | iNAP | i dont see prefrences anywhere around here |
| 18:56.29 | Ronin | gnd: bank website by any chance? |
| 18:56.38 | iNAP | when i left click and hold |
| 18:56.42 | iNAP | i get Main Menu with Debia |
| 18:56.43 | iNAP | n |
| 18:56.47 | abrotman | iNAP: don't you have panels? |
| 18:56.48 | troyme | how to config xmess keycontrol in debian?? |
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| 18:57.00 | gnd | Ronin: no, it's a web music download thing |
| 18:57.02 | iNAP | no... |
| 18:57.09 | yggdrasil | curth yea i figure it out |
| 18:57.12 | abrotman | gnd: pandora.com ? |
| 18:57.25 | yggdrasil | i had been using etch this is my first sarge install i guesse... |
| 18:57.29 | gnd | no, livephish.com and livecheese.com |
| 18:57.45 | abrotman | you'd think those hippies at livephish would notice it doesn't work :) |
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| 18:58.07 | abrotman | and they'd want to support free software etc |
| 18:58.08 | iNAP | all i have is a grey screen |
| 18:58.13 | iNAP | and i can left click and see a Main Menu |
| 18:58.27 | abrotman | gnd: why not just click the "Listen" and put that m3u into xmms ? |
| 18:58.33 | TPC | Most of my fonts doesn't work (as in they can't be found). I get this error message when doing dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig and a few other things that has to do with the fonts: "Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file". I get the same error if I set xterms font to one that should be there but doesn't work and start an xterm in another xterm. I've searched google, debians bug tracking system and debians mailing list without finding anythi |
| 18:58.41 | gnd | abrotman: well, I used to be able to bypass the ie requirement with opera and wget |
| 18:58.55 | drasko | I can not install my m-audio audiophile. Alsa won't work. Any hint? |
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| 18:59.05 | gnd | abrotman: cuz I buy music in flac, not lossy mp3, the stream is 64k at best and it sucks |
| 18:59.12 | abrotman | gnd: if you put http://www.livephish.com/radio/listen.m3u into xmms .. you can't stream it? |
| 18:59.24 | gnd | I can |
| 18:59.25 | Ronin | gnd: tried umm whats its called again in firefox, you can get firefox to respond as ie basically |
| 18:59.45 | abrotman | gnd: ok .. then i'm confused |
| 18:59.51 | iNAP | can someone please help, i don't understand where your getting this Prefrences tab from. |
| 18:59.55 | iNAP | maybe i didn't run something correctly? |
| 18:59.56 | gnd | they're using this download manager that is not compatible with firefox |
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| 19:00.01 | troyme | how to config xmess keycontrol in debian?? i find the tab key no use |
| 19:00.14 | curt | iNAP, are you sure your running gnome? |
| 19:00.17 | abrotman | gnd: which part of the website? |
| 19:00.23 | gnd | abrotman: you buy the shows in either mp3 or flac and download them with their download manager |
| 19:00.27 | iNAP | well in the login screen.. it shows me the login stuff.. |
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| 19:00.30 | iNAP | maybe not? lol. |
| 19:00.39 | iNAP | it shows me.. like the background of gnome |
| 19:00.43 | iNAP | like different backgrounds. |
| 19:00.46 | ice_1963 | i have a question...my web browser is lynx text base but is there a irc chat program that's text base ? |
| 19:01.02 | gnd | abrotman: you don't see the download manager until you buy the show and start downloading it |
| 19:01.15 | curt | iNAP, if gnome is installed logout and use the chooser to select gnome instead of that other X desktop your using |
| 19:01.19 | streuner | cheloo: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/index.shtml.en |
| 19:01.25 | Ronin | gnd: tried emailing them and asking/bitching to get them to change? |
| 19:01.27 | abrotman | gnd: the part where they're numbered 1-20 ? |
| 19:01.29 | yggdrasil | ice_1963 BitchX |
| 19:01.34 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: I've had a think about your last comment, I don't think it can be the query before, because the query starts to execute (I don't get a "can't connect to server" type error) and then the function returns with the "during query" language in the error message |
| 19:01.37 | iNAP | curt, which i do how? |
| 19:01.55 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 19:01.55 | iNAP | oohhh |
| 19:01.57 | iNAP | i think i gotcha |
| 19:01.59 | iNAP | be right back. |
| 19:02.00 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: I think I'll email the maintainer and ask him if he's aware of this situation, he may just ask me to put something in the BTS |
| 19:02.02 | gnd | Ronin: yes, but they're ignorant |
| 19:02.10 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: you could also ask #mysql for a better way to diagnose it |
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| 19:02.22 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: yeah, I might do that |
| 19:02.28 | SammyTheSnake | either way thanks for your help :) |
| 19:02.29 | gnd | abrotman: which url are you at? |
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| 19:02.34 | abrotman | gnd: i'm trying to find the area .. |
| 19:02.42 | abrotman | gnd: cds.livephish.com ? |
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| 19:02.54 | mod^ | Why apt wants to remove the kernel I'm currently running? |
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| 19:03.04 | mod^ | "Remove the running kernel image (not recommended) [No]?" |
| 19:03.05 | dvm1981 | ice_1963: Do an search 'apt-cache search irc' or so |
| 19:03.20 | abrotman | gnd: god damn i'm old .. most of those 1-20 shows were done *after* i stopped listening to Phish :) |
| 19:03.38 | gnd | abrotman: http://www.livephish.com/show.asp?show=260 |
| 19:03.39 | curt | hehe |
| 19:03.40 | swatikiss | when I try to install bittorent, i keep getting an error "trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/BitTorrent/bencode.py'," what is going on? |
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| 19:04.20 | abrotman | gnd: and you're saying it doesn't work .. but is it flash ro what? |
| 19:04.23 | gnd | abrotman: for example, on that page you click purchase flack or mp3, and after you buy it you get to the download part |
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| 19:04.34 | gnd | I don't know what exactly it is |
| 19:04.45 | liux | hello alls |
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| 19:04.58 | liux | hello to all :) |
| 19:05.03 | abrotman | gnd: as much as i like phish .. i don't need to buy a show :0 |
| 19:05.16 | gnd | abrotman: I know |
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| 19:05.28 | abrotman | gnd: if you right click on the "manager" do you get the flash menu or a regular menu ? |
| 19:05.35 | gnd | regular |
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| 19:06.54 | abrotman | gnd: maybe it's java ? can you tell from IE? |
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| 19:07.09 | abrotman | gnd: i mean .. it's some sort of activescript crap .. you're stuck afaik |
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| 19:08.53 | gnd | abrotman: well, this is from their faq: YOU MUST USE INTERNET EXPLORER OR SAFARI TO DOWNLOAD!(Unfortunately we do not support Firefox) |
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| 19:09.48 | wols_ | gnd: change your useragent to safari |
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| 19:09.48 | gnd | won't work |
| 19:09.48 | wols_ | I don't think safari can do anything ffox can't. IE has the stupid activex |
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| 19:09.49 | gnd | it's not the useragent |
| 19:10.01 | wols_ | then use konqueror and change that UA |
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| 19:10.21 | gnd | ... Depending on your Windows version, you may be prompted to install some Microsoft updates. Click Yes when prompted to install the Microsoft Visual Basic 6.0 Cabinets. |
| 19:10.34 | dannyp | any web developer that's denying access to stuff because of user-agent should be taken out and drawn and quartered |
| 19:10.38 | abrotman | gnd: well .. FFS .. if it works in safari .. why not FF ? |
| 19:10.58 | dannyp | detecting user-agents is fine only for statistics and maybe even drastic workarounds |
| 19:10.59 | gnd | FF? what is FF? |
| 19:10.59 | abrotman | dannyp: agreed |
| 19:11.09 | abrotman | gnd: FF == FireFox |
| 19:11.13 | gnd | oh |
| 19:11.15 | blondie | Final Fantasy. |
| 19:11.22 | abrotman | dannyp: like horrible god damned javascript :) |
| 19:11.26 | cheloo | (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:443 |
| 19:11.26 | cheloo | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 19:11.26 | cheloo | Unable to open logs |
| 19:11.38 | cheloo | any ideea about this apache error ? |
| 19:12.04 | wols_ | netstat -anp|grep LISTEN |grep 443 |
| 19:12.16 | wols_ | someone is either already listening or you didn't start apache as root |
| 19:12.19 | dannyp | javascript isn't so bad if you stick to only doing things by manipulating DOM elements, but everyone seems to like the easy way instead |
| 19:12.22 | curt | you have apx started with startssl? |
| 19:12.32 | ice_1963 | bitchx work's good for text base i love it :0) |
| 19:12.38 | wols_ | but due to the "unable to open logs", I'd say you're not root when starting apache |
| 19:12.48 | wols_ | ice_1963: irssi works better :) |
| 19:13.11 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 19:13.25 | wols_ | is bitchx even in development anymore btw? |
| 19:13.26 | kspath | irssi-text is quite nice |
| 19:13.28 | evilbulgarian | hi what exactly is /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.log log cause its filling up alot of hard drive space by logging all the querries? |
| 19:13.29 | dannyp | to throw in my two cents, I'm an irssi fan, especially because of the good, mature, unhacked SSL support |
| 19:13.48 | dannyp | but for a long time I used epic4 and a script I really liked |
| 19:14.06 | gnd | safari is not firefox based, right? |
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| 19:14.23 | wols_ | mostly only people who still use some heavily customized and scripted bitchx or epic4 use the for console imho |
| 19:14.28 | tarzeau | gnd: no |
| 19:14.29 | wols_ | gnd: it's konqueror based |
| 19:14.42 | tarzeau | gnd: it's using khtml |
| 19:14.47 | abrotman | gnd: it's based on KHTML |
| 19:14.50 | gnd | so it won't work |
| 19:14.54 | abrotman | why not? |
| 19:15.02 | abrotman | konq doesn't work either? |
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| 19:15.11 | gnd | they require IE or safari |
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| 19:15.32 | wols_ | safari uses (mostly) the same rendering engine as konqueror |
| 19:15.32 | kspath | gnd: they? |
| 19:15.35 | wols_ | so it's oyur best chance |
| 19:15.42 | inform_bureau | help needed with NCURSES |
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| 19:16.01 | gnd | ok, I'll try with Konquerer |
| 19:16.19 | kspath | gnd: set up your browser to report itself as Safari |
| 19:16.24 | wols_ | inform_bureau: a bit more precise please |
| 19:16.27 | abrotman | inform_bureau: need help with vagueness! |
| 19:17.00 | inform_bureau | wols_,i have problem with colors |
| 19:17.09 | abrotman | wols_: that was much better eh? |
| 19:17.17 | curt | !vagueness! |
| 19:17.17 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
| 19:17.24 | inform_bureau | wols_,when i draw on stdscr everything is fine |
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| 19:17.42 | drasko | Hi all. I need help with m-audio audiophile -- no sound! Any experiences? |
| 19:17.44 | kspath | does dpkg have to yell like that? |
| 19:18.01 | wols_ | it's dpkg, it's allowed to |
| 19:18.02 | inform_bureau | drasko,i can help |
| 19:18.20 | wols_ | inform_bureau: we're still missing the pointe of the whole thing |
| 19:18.20 | drasko | inform_bureau, really? |
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| 19:18.42 | wols_ | drasko: have you found that 1712 or whatever kernel module yet? |
| 19:18.47 | inform_bureau | wols_,but when i do the colors on newwin everything seems to be black and white |
| 19:18.48 | drasko | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 19:19.14 | drasko | wols_, I recompiled kernel with ice 1712 to be vuilt in. Still no sound... |
| 19:19.22 | wols_ | drasko: lots of people told you what drivre to load. unless you find that driver and load it, no sound for you |
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| 19:19.43 | wols_ | drasko: check dmesg if it says anything about your soundcard |
| 19:20.08 | shingouz | drasko: you compiled the driver statically? iirc sound drivers should be modules |
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| 19:20.23 | wols_ | shingouz: nothing hinders one to compile it statically |
| 19:20.41 | drasko | shingouz, well, wols_ told me to compile kernel and make ice 1712 be built in. |
| 19:20.48 | wols_ | it'd just be a waste for a debian kernel to compile all gazillion sounddrivers in |
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| 19:21.03 | wols_ | drasko: I didn't tell you that |
| 19:21.03 | beleys | Poy |
| 19:21.07 | wols_ | I told you to load it |
| 19:21.16 | wols_ | but it doesn't make a difference |
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| 19:22.13 | drasko | wols_, Well, it wold not load, and I missunderstand, but I remember number of you telling me that kernel needs to be recompiled. It was a tesious job, and shame it still won't work... |
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| 19:22.58 | wols_ | drasko: I don't own that soundcard so I dunno if it's the right driver thw. is it a ISA soundcard? |
| 19:23.00 | shingouz | wols_: some sound drivers need the irq and dma before they can work. i am not sure if the parameters can be inserted if the driver is static |
| 19:23.08 | iNAP | can someone help me out and tell me how i get to this prefrences thing for gnome? or maybe im not even running it even though i installed it, and in the login screen i have all those backgrounds n stff.. |
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| 19:23.27 | wols_ | shingouz: I know that old SB drives could be told about that on the boot parameter for the kernel |
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| 19:23.42 | wols_ | that's why I asked if it's a ISA card |
| 19:23.50 | wols_ | s/drives/drivers |
| 19:23.51 | curt | iNAP, what are you looking at right now for a desktop? |
| 19:23.58 | iNAP | a grey background |
| 19:24.01 | iNAP | and when i elft click |
| 19:24.05 | iNAP | i get a Main Menu |
| 19:24.07 | drasko | Ok, can anyone help me with troubleshooting the sound, maybe it will give some reults? |
| 19:24.12 | shingouz | wols_: and the crystal sound cards need them when the module is inserted.... |
| 19:24.24 | drasko | Any idea would be appriciated... |
| 19:24.26 | wols_ | shingouz: oh joy! |
| 19:24.30 | shingouz | yup |
| 19:24.35 | inform_bureau | drasko,you should try to feed your cat first. |
| 19:25.08 | inform_bureau | drasko,than throw your garbage out |
| 19:25.10 | curt | iNAP, at-get install gnome and see what apt says... |
| 19:25.16 | shingouz | drasko: is the soundcard isa or pci? |
| 19:25.16 | inform_bureau | drasko,take a nap |
| 19:25.23 | curt | iNAP, <apt-get install gnome> and see what apt says... |
| 19:25.24 | shingouz | inform_bureau: please stop |
| 19:25.26 | drasko | shingouz, pci |
| 19:25.30 | iNAP | i did aptitude install gnome |
| 19:25.37 | drasko | inform_bureau, really... |
| 19:25.42 | shingouz | drasko: does lspci spit out anything useful? |
| 19:25.45 | iNAP | its installed i think |
| 19:25.52 | iNAP | i also installed gnome-themes-extras |
| 19:25.55 | drasko | yes, |
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| 19:25.58 | inform_bureau | shingouz,but i know he is mistreating his cat ela |
| 19:26.11 | drasko | 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02) |
| 19:26.16 | inform_bureau | drasko,feed your cat ela |
| 19:26.33 | shingouz | eww... via... lets see |
| 19:26.36 | wols_ | drasko: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Midiman%2FMAudio&card=Delta+Audiophile+2496.&chip=ICE1712+%28Envy24%29&module=ice1712 |
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| 19:26.53 | inform_bureau | drasko,FEED your cat ELA |
| 19:26.59 | ice_1963 | do i need gdm when i install gnome? |
| 19:27.05 | shining | no |
| 19:27.08 | wols_ | ice_1963: no |
| 19:27.09 | drasko | inform_bureau, please stop/ |
| 19:27.29 | inform_bureau | drasko,glupsone jedan, nahrani macku |
| 19:27.29 | wols_ | shingouz: that soundcard can be a module or built in accordint to alsa |
| 19:27.38 | shingouz | ok |
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| 19:28.05 | ice_1963 | thst's good i not install it lol |
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| 19:28.18 | wols_ | ice_1963: just use startx |
| 19:28.22 | cheloo | hwo do i have to add in /etc/hosts.deny the host line like this : " ALL:google.com, 82.201.23.265 " ? or just put the ip " 878.4.5.5 space 84.25.89.565 ? |
| 19:28.28 | inform_bureau | drasko,nahranitidicaj macku |
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| 19:29.26 | ice_1963 | wols_:i am useing xfce4 right now |
| 19:29.28 | wols_ | cheloo: looked at man hosts.deny yet? |
| 19:29.41 | cheloo | nope |
| 19:30.04 | wols_ | then maybe you should. as a rule, always check manpages first :) |
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| 19:30.59 | iNAP | after i install gnome, what am i supposed to do to 'activate' it? |
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| 19:31.18 | harleyg | http://linuxlabs.co.uk |
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| 19:31.30 | dvm1981 | iNAP: Depending what you already have installed |
| 19:31.33 | shingouz | iNAP: try startx if you are in a cli |
| 19:31.40 | curt | iNAP, what did apt say when you apt-get install gnome? |
| 19:31.47 | dvm1981 | iNAP: Or if you like it. Install 'gdm' |
| 19:31.50 | wols_ | harleyg: don't be a spammer |
| 19:31.57 | bewest | so...I'm having some trouble with my modelines |
| 19:32.04 | iNAP | i get the following packages have unmet depndencies |
| 19:32.04 | bewest | my resolution is 800x600 |
| 19:32.07 | iNAP | broken packages |
| 19:32.07 | harleyg | posting something once is not spamming |
| 19:32.08 | bewest | according to xdpyinfo |
| 19:32.14 | iNAP | but when i do aptitude install gnome |
| 19:32.18 | iNAP | then it does work.. |
| 19:32.19 | iNAP | i thik |
| 19:32.35 | shingouz | !tell bewest about drxx |
| 19:32.36 | wols_ | posting a website that offers hosting and is unrelated to debian is spamming |
| 19:32.50 | ice_1963 | q |
| 19:32.54 | curt | iNAP, we might need a little more info... try apt-get update first |
| 19:33.17 | iNAP | ok i did that |
| 19:33.18 | drasko | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.22 | bewest | xdpyinfo also says it's using screen# 0, but the identifier in the config is "Screen 1" |
| 19:33.27 | bewest | and 800x600 isn't even listed there |
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| 19:33.42 | curt | iNAP, and now apt-get dist-upgrade.... |
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| 19:34.04 | iNAP | apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 19:34.10 | iNAP | 0 upgraded, 0 new, 0 and 0 |
| 19:34.26 | curt | iNAP, no errors? |
| 19:34.29 | iNAP | no |
| 19:34.31 | wols_ | iNAP: have you run apt-get update? |
| 19:34.40 | iNAP | yep |
| 19:34.47 | bewest | does /etc/init.d/gdm script use a some file other than /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to set up the server Screen sections? |
| 19:34.57 | netman1 | What is the solution out of the "Debian Best Practises Book (tm)" to effectively use membership of multiple groups in LDAP? |
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| 19:35.37 | cheloo | wols so bassic is i put ALL:ALL EXCEPT localhost:DENY in /etc/hosts.deny il will deny access to anyone to my webserver right ? and it will only aloow to those host i have in host.allow right ? |
| 19:35.45 | curt | iNAP, paste output from apt-get install gnome please |
| 19:35.51 | curt | !paste |
| 19:35.52 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 19:36.23 | ice_1963 | wols_:how shut down bitchx? |
| 19:36.24 | shygrrl | note the lack of... website hosting channel in the title |
| 19:36.30 | bewest | so does debian use a file other than /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 when starting X? |
| 19:36.43 | wols_ | ice_1963: with extreme prejudice of course: kill -9 |
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| 19:36.53 | ice_1963 | ok |
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| 19:36.59 | wols_ | bewest: not if you use xfree86 |
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| 19:37.16 | wols_ | ice_1963: /exit or /quit might work too |
| 19:37.20 | shingouz | this sounds a little too much like sunday to me, maybe it is better if i background myself again |
| 19:37.25 | ice_1963 | kill -9 |
| 19:37.34 | drasko | anyone, my alsamixer is broken... alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 19:37.34 | shygrrl | cheloo: make your you have tcpwrapper support enabled |
| 19:37.43 | Estes2 | hum, question: if i ssh -X to a server, then ssh -X to an other server on which i'll execute an app using GUI, will it be "XForwarded" to me ? |
| 19:37.55 | wols_ | drasko: I gave you a "howto" of sorts directly from the also project |
| 19:37.59 | cheloo | shygrrl how will i check that ? |
| 19:38.00 | bewest | wols_: ok, great. 800x600 isn't listed in that file at all, yet when X starts (via /etc/init.d/gdm restart), I get 800x600 resolution; any ideas? |
| 19:38.22 | wols_ | bewest: no, sorry |
| 19:38.30 | GreenGroper | apt-config -o="APT::Architecture=alpha" -- as root just brings up the usage screen (same without quotes and same without the equals sign after the -o flag)...does anyone know what am i doing wrong here? |
| 19:38.38 | gnd | well, konqueror doesn't work |
| 19:38.42 | bewest | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.44 | shingouz | bewest: you sure you have the correct X servery running? double check |
| 19:39.01 | gnd | abrotman: konqueror doesn't work |
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| 19:39.26 | bewest | shingouz: the correct X server? how would i know such a thing? |
| 19:39.43 | shingouz | bewest: what card you have |
| 19:39.47 | gnd | abrotman: you're supposed to right click on the filename and do save as, but there is a redirect in there somewhere and with konqueror you get the .asp file |
| 19:39.49 | Estes2 | bewest, you sure you look at the good config file ? |
| 19:39.53 | bewest | I believe it's intel i810 |
| 19:39.59 | Estes2 | bewest, lspci |
| 19:40.09 | drasko | wols_, well it seys modprobe ice-1712, and this can not be modprobed. It gives me FATAL. Anyway, it is build in the kernel now. |
| 19:40.19 | shingouz | bewest: and you use what X server? |
| 19:40.38 | bewest | XF86 |
| 19:40.42 | drasko | wols_, and I read this two days ago... |
| 19:40.57 | bewest | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.57 | bewest | from lspci |
| 19:41.02 | bewest | Integrated |
| 19:41.02 | shingouz | bewest: vesa, nv... |
| 19:41.06 | bewest | vga |
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| 19:41.19 | Estes2 | bewest, what is the .... from the lspci ? |
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| 19:41.24 | bewest | ok |
| 19:41.30 | bewest | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.30 | shingouz | drasko: hmm.... snd-ice-1712 |
| 19:41.40 | drasko | wols_, I belive alsamixer is broken from some other reason. It made it work once, when I just installed |
| 19:42.04 | drasko | shingouz, I copy pasted in console... No help... |
| 19:42.04 | Estes2 | hum |
| 19:42.09 | shingouz | drasko: what kernel you running there? |
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| 19:42.48 | drasko | 2.6.8 |
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| 19:42.56 | drasko | shingouz, Lenin:~# modprobe snd-ice1712; |
| 19:42.56 | drasko | FATAL: Module snd_ice1712 not found. |
| 19:42.56 | drasko | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_ice1712 |
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| 19:43.56 | shingouz | drasko: of course it is not found because it is static, you cannot modprobe it. besides, is the module supposed to be snd-ice1717 or snd-ice-1712 or perhaps something else? |
| 19:44.01 | drasko | shingouz, and fgrep SND_ICE1712 /usr/src/linux/.config give me CONFIG_SND_ICE1712=y |
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| 19:44.44 | streuner | shingouz: as module... |
| 19:44.44 | shingouz | ok. personally i sould recompile with the drier as a module... |
| 19:44.51 | bewest | hrm |
| 19:44.57 | wols_ | drasko: run dmesg and paste its output in a pastebin please |
| 19:45.07 | shingouz | streuner: afaik, custom kernel with a static driver in this case. not sure though |
| 19:45.21 | drasko | wols_, what is the url of pastebin? |
| 19:45.26 | bewest | I have an /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.old that from the original (non working) configuration |
| 19:45.31 | wols_ | !pastebin |
| 19:45.31 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or check out http://securelabs.zapto.org/~pureone/src/pastebin.c if your stuck in console only |
| 19:45.32 | bewest | I was assuming it's not being read |
| 19:45.34 | streuner | shingouz: he told us yesterday he using an official debian kernel 2.6.8... |
| 19:45.45 | shingouz | ah. i shall shut up then :) |
| 19:45.51 | yggdrasil | is thre some sort of cmd i can use to check how much ram my video card has ? |
| 19:45.51 | wols_ | streuner: he compiled a custom one |
| 19:46.07 | streuner | wols_: yes, i just saw it |
| 19:46.10 | yggdrasil | its an old laptop. with a chips card . |
| 19:46.18 | GreenGroper | -- apt-config -o APT::Architecture=alpha -- as root just brings up the usage screen ...does anyone know what am i doing wrong? |
| 19:46.38 | cheloo | shygrrl how will i enable tcpwrapper ? |
| 19:47.04 | streuner | drasko: did you follow the advice of 'wols_' and re-install the kernel-image? |
| 19:47.13 | shingouz | yggdrasil: not sure if there is an utility for that but you could try 1M and 2M for it if your definition of old is even remotely like mine |
| 19:47.43 | yggdrasil | how wouldi know if its wrong ? |
| 19:47.47 | drasko | http://pastebin.ca/43403 |
| 19:47.55 | yggdrasil | will it error out ? |
| 19:47.59 | drasko | streuner, yes |
| 19:48.14 | shingouz | yggdrasil: just go higher with the resolution or colors, when you cannot go higher you are maxed out |
| 19:48.30 | dannyp | shingouz: come on, 1M or 2M is ancient, not just old |
| 19:48.37 | yggdrasil | but thats not the same as ram... |
| 19:48.47 | shingouz | yggdrasil: true. what laptop is it? |
| 19:48.52 | dannyp | shingouz: I mean, that's from the day we used terms like VGA, SVGA, etc. and knew what they meant |
| 19:49.01 | yggdrasil | yes this thing is olld but deb makes it shine... and they say you cant polish a terd |
| 19:49.12 | shingouz | dannyp: stop complaining, debian runs nicely on 486 :p |
| 19:49.19 | dannyp | shingouz: a 486 is not ancient |
| 19:49.25 | yggdrasil | sngouz its a hitachi visionpro 7000. ill just goniline and see if i can find it |
| 19:49.26 | dannyp | shingouz: but a 1M video card is |
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| 19:49.38 | shingouz | dannyp: 2M was hot on a 486 |
| 19:49.45 | bewest | would the amount of videoram affect resolution? |
| 19:49.56 | shingouz | bewest: yes |
| 19:49.56 | drasko | streuner, I made kernel image deb. Sould modules also be mde somehow? |
| 19:49.58 | wols_ | drasko: I have a 512kB card in my 486-66 |
| 19:50.08 | wols_ | *had |
| 19:50.11 | wols_ | and dannyp of course |
| 19:50.16 | dannyp | a 512kb card can't even do 800x600 16bpp |
| 19:50.23 | bewest | ah ok |
| 19:50.26 | bewest | hrmm |
| 19:50.26 | shingouz | drasko: the sound modules are in the deb |
| 19:50.30 | dannyp | I'm trying to remember how much ram that machine's card had |
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| 19:50.40 | bewest | hmmm that might be it then |
| 19:50.43 | drasko | shingouz, then I guess it's ok... |
| 19:50.45 | dannyp | I remember I used the s3virge X server |
| 19:50.49 | wols_ | dannyp: back then almost everyone ran 8bpp |
| 19:50.55 | pack | is samba browsing broken in testing? |
| 19:50.55 | dannyp | but I really want to say 4 megs |
| 19:51.09 | yggdrasil | shngouz looks like 2mb .. but theres been other times when i set up x and im never sure how much the vid cards have ..specialy the older ones |
| 19:51.15 | shingouz | dannyp: on a 486? i really want to say dream on ;) |
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| 19:51.21 | wols_ | dannyp: that was p5 days. 486 is et3000 and et4000 (note: no w32 at the wend) |
| 19:51.26 | dannyp | wols_: well, I kept that 486 dx4/100 as more or less one of my main machines through maybe 2002 |
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| 19:51.28 | wols_ | from s3 it was the S3C911 |
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| 19:51.39 | dannyp | and that 4 megabyte video card wasn't the first card in it |
| 19:51.44 | wols_ | the 486 came out ~1990 |
| 19:51.45 | shingouz | yggdrasil: just go up on the resolution, when the thing does not want to go higher, you are maxed out |
| 19:51.47 | wireddd | I have a second computer that I want to run a few x programs on, but I don't want to connect a monitor to it. I know there is a way to use x remotely but how does it work? is it like vnc or can I just have a program on my screen that is running on a different computer? |
| 19:51.48 | pack | let me rephrase that, is smb:// broken in nautilus in testing? |
| 19:51.54 | dannyp | I suppose the first card it had was probably 1M |
| 19:51.56 | wols_ | and in 1993 I had a 486-66 one |
| 19:52.21 | dannyp | wols_: yeah, and I had a dx4/100 from maybe 1996-1997 or so and I used it through 2002 |
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| 19:52.48 | bewest | any suggestions for what videoram should be for an integrated intel video card? |
| 19:53.00 | cheloo | /etc/hosts.deny doenst work , the host i just deny can still access my http server any ideea what i shoud do? |
| 19:53.22 | shingouz | bewest: it should be autodetected |
| 19:53.30 | shingouz | !tell bewest about drxx |
| 19:53.31 | dn3 | chello hehe:) yes if you run in.httpd from /etc/inetd.conf :) |
| 19:53.35 | pack | wireddd: google? http://www.xs4all.nl/~zweije/xauth.html. i usually just ssh -X but ymmv. |
| 19:53.41 | drasko | wols_, dmesg sad something to you? |
| 19:53.48 | ahmrahtcheer | howdy. i just set up my network to link 2 computers together & access the internet via dialup. what's the proper command to save the iptables changes? the docs that i worked from are for an older version of Debian (I'm in sarge on both boxes), and the listed command doesn't work. |
| 19:53.59 | bewest | what's xmd5? |
| 19:54.15 | stew | !tell bewest about xmd5 |
| 19:54.16 | shingouz | !tell bewest about xmd5 |
| 19:54.26 | shingouz | bewest: you can also /msg dpkg |
| 19:54.31 | wireddd | thanks pack |
| 19:54.40 | wols_ | drasko: I don't see that your soundcard is loaded anywhere |
| 19:54.44 | bewest | just following instructions :-) |
| 19:55.03 | wols_ | drasko: but you don't run a self compiled kernel. it's a debian stock kernel |
| 19:55.13 | drasko | wols_, hmmm. Well that's the prob.. Thanks, for looking, man. |
| 19:55.18 | drasko | Thanks all. |
| 19:55.23 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 19:55.35 | elephantMan | How am i supposed to manage wifi on gnome/debian ? |
| 19:55.42 | elephantMan | Is there an apps to do it ? |
| 19:55.48 | wols_ | drasko: install your custom kernel or follow the howto on alsa-project.org |
| 19:56.09 | streuner | too late |
| 19:56.19 | streuner | its become more wired |
| 19:56.21 | shingouz | elephantMan: i like ifconfig and iwconfig myself with a splatter of route inbetween |
| 19:56.25 | wols_ | streuner: is logical thinking THAT hard? |
| 19:56.26 | threat3 | What are these devices? I know they have something to do with the mode of a SCSI Tape drive or something, but thats all I could find out about them ---> st0a st0l st0m |
| 19:56.42 | streuner | wols_: that's not logical |
| 19:56.51 | elephantMan | shingouz, ok thanx but is there a graphical interface to show accesspoints |
| 19:57.10 | shingouz | no idea elephantMan |
| 19:57.16 | bewest | how do I know my video card's buss identifier? |
| 19:57.39 | stew | bewest: unless you are on a mac or have more than one card, leave it blank |
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| 19:57.46 | shingouz | bewest: hit enter on that one unless you have two cards |
| 19:57.56 | bewest | now I should enter memory in KB? |
| 19:58.02 | bewest | how should I know that? |
| 19:58.04 | stew | bewest: leave it blank |
| 19:58.05 | shingouz | hit enter on that too bewest |
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| 19:58.56 | wols_ | streuner: what? me expecting people to think logically? |
| 19:59.04 | streuner | wols_: its not logical to use something which makes you more headaches |
| 19:59.21 | shingouz | streuner: like #debian :p |
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| 19:59.28 | wols_ | so you think drasko should give up on debian? |
| 19:59.42 | streuner | no, but just use an official kernel now |
| 20:00.01 | wols_ | he does. he can't get it to wrok with it apparently |
| 20:00.12 | wols_ | tho I have no clue why it would lack that driver... |
| 20:00.28 | wols_ | also he has made a custom kernel but is apparently not able to instlal it |
| 20:00.40 | streuner | wols_: there are linux-images at backports.org (2.6.14-15)... |
| 20:00.47 | bewest | ok, hopefully this will go better |
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| 20:00.57 | bewest | it selected /dev/input/mice for my mouse |
| 20:01.00 | shingouz | bewest: you do not need to restart |
| 20:01.06 | bewest | I happen to know it's /dev/input/mouse0 |
| 20:01.12 | bewest | shingouz: need to restart X... |
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| 20:01.18 | bewest | ? |
| 20:01.23 | shingouz | bewest: that is another thing again |
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| 20:03.46 | klync | i'm a bit hesitant about updating my grub/menu.1st using a raid1 root partition (including /boot) ... i've done it before with other distros, but want to ensure update-grub continues to work right |
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| 20:04.45 | stew | klync: what specifically are you looking to change? |
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| 20:05.22 | klync | stew: # groot=(hd0,0) |
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| 20:05.58 | cjari | hi |
| 20:06.06 | stew | klync: it should be fine. you can, of course, save a copy, edit the the file, run update-grub and compare the results |
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| 20:06.24 | klync | stew: come to think of it, that's probably fine, but i'd like to make sure that update-grub does both mbr's when i run it.... i can see there's some raid code in the script, but not sure whether it handles that right |
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| 20:06.45 | cjari | do you know where can I see networking adapters name debian is currently using? |
| 20:06.50 | stew | klync: update-grub doesn't touch the mbr |
| 20:06.56 | jair | guys I has been looking for a good dictionary in debian, like deutsch english or more. |
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| 20:07.25 | klync | stew: d'oh... so, i really only need to run grub one time to do the 2nd hdd's mbr, and then the rest can stay the same, eh? ty |
| 20:07.35 | jair | I found something call "dictd" but I could not have it work it looks like is a server dictionary sounds interesting but I am not sure what I did wrong. |
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| 20:07.48 | jair | I ad manually the "UTF-8 |
| 20:08.13 | stew | klync: well where is the second mbr going to be looking for the menu.lst? |
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| 20:08.52 | klync | stew: if hda fails, grub should see hdd1 as hd0,0 |
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| 20:11.37 | yggdrasil | when i start x i get the xdm login and i login and then i just get a screen that says debian.. what file do i check to see if its poitning to my window manager (fluxbox)? |
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| 20:12.27 | ZeNN | to everyone: i have created a bridge through brctl with two interfaces eth0 and ath0. Eth1 is connected to the internet with a public IP address. SNAT is enabled through iptables. Now i want to first of all block all netbios traffic through the br0 interface (ath0 & eth0) I've tried a few strings in iptables to drop tcp and udp traffic on port 135 to 139 but i remain to explore the netbios share on a local computer (also connected to ath0, wire |
| 20:12.35 | ZeNN | :) |
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| 20:13.51 | ZeNN | how do i block netbios traffic, so that the wirelessly connected clients can't see and explore eachothers shares |
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| 20:15.46 | drasko | I CAN HEAR THE SOUND. wols_ , I switched to the old kernel (original Srage), removed alsa-base, tried once more to run install script for open sound driver that is given by M-audio, which broke, but I started alsamixer after that! Problem: I can not control sound volume from XMMS. How come? |
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| 20:15.50 | dondelelcaro | ZeNN: just drop traffic to 139 and 137. |
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| 20:16.16 | Terat0gen | and 138? |
| 20:16.39 | ZeNN | iptables -A FORWARD -p TCP --dport 135:139 -j DROP |
| 20:16.40 | klync | drasko: check xmms prefs... your volume might be tied to pcm, but your output driver might be skipping it |
| 20:16.42 | dondelelcaro | well, you can block 138 too... but it won't work without 137 and 139 |
| 20:16.45 | ZeNN | iptables -A FORWARD -p UDP --dport 135:139 -j DROP |
| 20:16.50 | ZeNN | that didn't work |
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| 20:17.14 | dondelelcaro | ZeNN: it won't work unless you're sitting in between the machines, which you aren't. |
| 20:17.16 | Daveman | Hi dondelelcaro |
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| 20:17.28 | edyta | hello everyone :D |
| 20:17.31 | ZeNN | exactly.... so i have to do an INPUT |
| 20:17.36 | ZeNN | ? |
| 20:17.45 | eric__ | Hi, does anyone is familiar with the error ''FATAL: Module slamr not found'' while installing slmodem-2.6.12-9-386 on Ubuntu? |
| 20:17.52 | drasko | klync, I can not turn on pcm in alsamixer... It is blank, no level. Let me check XMMS |
| 20:17.58 | makeio_ | hi, anybody knows how to connect to citrix secure access (vpn-server)???? |
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| 20:18.18 | stew | eric__: plase go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 20:18.44 | eric__ | I dit it but they don't seem to know the answer |
| 20:18.48 | franzzz | Hello together |
| 20:18.49 | dondelelcaro | ZeNN: no, I mean if the traffic does not have to physically travel through that interface, you won't be able to block it. FE, two machines on the same switch will still be able to exchange shares. |
| 20:18.52 | stew | eric__: try a ubuntu mailing list then |
| 20:18.57 | eric__ | This error probably exist also in debian |
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| 20:19.42 | yggdrasil | when i start x i get the xdm login and i login and then i just get a screen that says debian.. what file do i check to see if its poitning to my window manager (fluxbox)? |
| 20:19.55 | dondelelcaro | yggdrasil: you set .xsession to exec fluxbox |
| 20:20.03 | ZeNN | dondelelcaro: ok, so how do i proceed on this ? the traffic has to be blocked :-) |
| 20:20.22 | yggdrasil | ~/.xsession |
| 20:20.31 | apt | ~/.xsession is the file for per-user X config if you use xdm/startx. E.g. "startkde". works with gdm if you select a Debian session. It's a script; put the commands you want (with & after them if they hang around), then your WM or DE last (no & on it). |
| 20:20.31 | eric__ | Yes, you're probably right |
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| 20:20.50 | yggdrasil | where is it ? |
| 20:20.57 | yggdrasil | oh i see now thanks |
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| 20:21.42 | ahmrahtcheer | warning: networking n00b here. how do i save my iptables in Debian sarge, so that they'll reload on reboot to the current state? all the docs i'm finding on the internet are for an older version of Debian and the stated command doesn't work. |
| 20:21.59 | yggdrasil | yea i edited that file and it was empty... |
| 20:22.07 | franzzz | When I start gedit sometimes it opens a unamed file by itself. Looks like a logfile. Anybody an idea what that is |
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| 20:22.36 | GreenGroper | can anyone tell me the syntax for forcing a different architecture with apt-config ? |
| 20:22.37 | franzzz | Here is one line of that file:localhost - - [27/Feb/2006:21:19:53 +0100] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 363 |
| 20:22.50 | bucky | ahmrahtcheer: zless /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitdscript.gz |
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| 20:23.08 | ahmrahtcheer | bucky, ta |
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| 20:24.55 | pae | hello |
| 20:25.12 | kspath | #debian is a great time machine. You sit in here and wonder where the time went. ;-) |
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| 20:25.26 | Terat0gen | that's irc in general |
| 20:25.28 | bucky | !hr |
| 20:25.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, hr is Croatia |
| 20:25.52 | dannyp | Terat0gen: not really. spend 5 minutes in #funfactory or whatever and it will feel like an hour |
| 20:26.02 | pae | bucky: a relatively small country close to Italy and Slovenia |
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| 20:26.17 | grendal_prime | anyone good with gimp and importing files? i need to get a corel file imported |
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| 20:27.11 | pae | a n00b question: in synaptic, if I mark a package for removal, and it says that "gnome" has to be removed too, will it remove the whole gnome package, or will other packages connected to gnome still be installed? |
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| 20:28.01 | drasko | klync, I am using oss driver, and checked volum control master, not pcm in xmm pref. Sill can not controll volume in xmms |
| 20:28.11 | bucky | Janica Kostelic |
| 20:28.26 | gevaerts | pae: gnome is a metapackage. It doesn't actually contain any programs by itself. It is just used to install all of gnome. You can safely remove it. |
| 20:28.28 | pae | bucky: yes |
| 20:28.30 | iNAP | !x |
| 20:28.36 | shygrrl | irssi will take some getting used to i suspect |
| 20:28.38 | pae | gevaerts: ah, thanks |
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| 20:29.20 | pae | ok, and another n00b question: how do I tell debian to get it's network settings using dhcp at each boot? |
| 20:29.40 | pae | gevaerts: is there a list of these meta-packages? |
| 20:29.43 | stew | pae: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 20:30.22 | gevaerts | pae: no idea |
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| 20:31.33 | gnufan | bucky: what about Janica ... I want to know how to win Olympic medals after thyroid surgery as well ... |
| 20:31.59 | bucky | you got to hang out with her family |
| 20:32.31 | pae | bucky: have you heard of Ana Jelusic? She's also in the Cro ski representation |
| 20:32.36 | bb7 | question: when i use apt-get remove <package>, it wants to remove some other packages, how can I avoid this? |
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| 20:33.03 | bucky | only the Kostelics won medals |
| 20:33.12 | gnufan | bb7: depends what packages and why.... |
| 20:33.36 | pae | bucky: well, yes, but Ana is from my city :) |
| 20:33.48 | bb7 | a webapplication which depends on on mod-php |
| 20:34.08 | bb7 | when i want to remove the webapp, it wants to remove mod-php |
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| 20:34.26 | kspath | pae: You founded a city? |
| 20:34.47 | pae | kspath: no, we live in the same city :) |
| 20:34.52 | stew | bb7: exactly what packages are you talking about? there is no mod-php package |
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| 20:35.09 | bb7 | libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 20:35.24 | gnufan | bb7: and which web applications |
| 20:35.28 | bb7 | the webap is not official |
| 20:35.38 | stew | bb7: are you using aptitude or apt-get? |
| 20:35.41 | bb7 | not available to public |
| 20:35.45 | bb7 | apt-get |
| 20:35.55 | gnufan | bb7: you use "dpkg" to remove packages brutally, but apt may try and repair the damage. |
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| 20:36.24 | stew | bb7: so you are simply typing "apt-get remove webappname" ? |
| 20:36.42 | bb7 | is the nothing like apt-get remove <pakcage> keep <package2> or so? |
| 20:36.43 | gnufan | bb7: But how does the dependencies mess up so badly... what are the webapps dependencies... |
| 20:36.49 | bb7 | yes stew |
| 20:36.55 | stew | bb7: what happens if you run "apt-get remove webappname libapache-mod-php4+" |
| 20:37.07 | wols_ | aot would only remove some additional package if said package would depend on your webapp |
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| 20:37.18 | stew | bb7: does the package have anything in its Provides? like apache2? |
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| 20:37.40 | curt | why would gnome have unmet deps in testing? |
| 20:37.45 | stew | bb7: err that should have been libapache2-mod-php4+ |
| 20:37.57 | chuckyp | curt, How did you install? |
| 20:38.13 | curt | I am working with someone on this and I can't figure it out |
| 20:38.23 | stew | curt: gnome is going through a major transition and now all of the newer gnome packages have migrated from unstable yet |
| 20:38.23 | chuckyp | curt, How are you trying to install? |
| 20:38.26 | curt | chuckyp, apt-get install gnome |
| 20:38.39 | stew | curt: you'll have to get the peices individually |
| 20:38.50 | stew | curt: and/or get the missing peieces from unstable |
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| 20:38.54 | gnufan | wols_: aot -- some new package tool ;) |
| 20:39.03 | chuckyp | stew, I just installed testing last night and gnome is fine. |
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| 20:39.27 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:39.31 | curt | stew, i don't get it user inap get unmtes and I get everything to install fine with apt-get install gnome |
| 20:39.43 | gnufan | stew: hell even unstable worked briefly for me over the weekend when the UK mirror finally got all the latest GNOME stuff -- wow hoo |
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| 20:40.02 | bb7 | the webapp has the depencies as folows: libapache2-mod-php4 | libapache-mod-php4 |
| 20:40.12 | chuckyp | curt, I dunno I just did a net install of testing last night and gnome works fine here. |
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| 20:40.22 | bb7 | i'm sorry my explanation was wring |
| 20:40.38 | bb7 | i want to change to mod php5 |
| 20:40.46 | curt | chuckyp, that's what is throwing me for a loop, same sources.list and apt-get install gnome wokrs fine for me not for iNAP |
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| 20:40.52 | bb7 | isnt that possible? |
| 20:41.05 | un_captain_flam | curt: same for me, testing installed last week-end, gnome working fine |
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| 20:41.12 | wols_ | bb7: you need to change it's dependencies. add a new one |
| 20:41.12 | bb7 | ..as long as the web app has php4 in its depencies? |
| 20:41.20 | bb7 | ah ok |
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| 20:41.32 | chuckyp | curt, hmm.... |
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| 20:41.53 | iNAP | :o |
| 20:41.58 | chuckyp | curt, is something maybe getting held back etc....? I would also check out the apt.conf |
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| 20:42.07 | curt | I can't solve it someone with more experience needs to help him <iNAP> |
| 20:42.18 | iNAP | `ello |
| 20:42.22 | kyparrothead | I have a simple question for the debian vets in here. |
| 20:42.27 | kyparrothead | Apache question |
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| 20:42.37 | Tallu | Don't ask to ask, ask |
| 20:42.44 | sphenxes | lol |
| 20:42.54 | curt | I am going to lunch, i'll check back later see if you got it iNAP |
| 20:42.57 | gnufan | bb7: as far as I know you can have libapache2-mod-php4 and libapache2-mod-php5 both installed. You need to be careful with the PHP.INI files (dpkg-reconfigure the php5-* packages whenever things look ropey). So yes should be possible, but it would have to be in testing, or use unofficial debs. |
| 20:43.01 | chuckyp | iNAP, I might not be of much help.. This is my first run at debian. |
| 20:43.02 | ariel77 | hi i was wondering how i can install debian with a amd64 duo core and an sata hard drive when the install doesn't detect my hard drive |
| 20:43.08 | ariel77 | it says it isn't connected |
| 20:43.16 | iNAP | thanks a bunch curt |
| 20:43.25 | iNAP | ok chucky. well ill try anything. |
| 20:43.26 | wols_ | ariel77: get a new installer with a newer kernel |
| 20:43.27 | shygrrl | have you tried linux26 |
| 20:43.27 | gnufan | bb7: of course no guarantee the package will work with PHP5 -- but it is pretty good at backward compatibility. |
| 20:43.28 | shygrrl | :P |
| 20:43.37 | bb7 | gnufan: i'm on a stable version |
| 20:43.38 | kyparrothead | Just trying to be polite.. Okay anywho, how come when I open a .php webpage from my server it shows the .php code in the browser and not the site |
| 20:43.39 | shygrrl | or using testing |
| 20:43.40 | ariel77 | where would i get one? |
| 20:43.51 | drasko | anyone, how to remove kernel package I installed? |
| 20:43.55 | ariel77 | the kernel was 2.6.12 i think |
| 20:44.08 | chuckyp | iNAP, is this a fresh install of debian testing? |
| 20:44.12 | ariel77 | a newer installer for the stable branch |
| 20:44.13 | gnufan | bb7: well whose php5 are you going to use -- I use .dotdeb with stable, but don't try and co-exist with php4 anywhere... |
| 20:44.14 | iNAP | yep |
| 20:44.19 | streuner | drasko: apt-get remove package? |
| 20:44.23 | iNAP | installed x-window-system |
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| 20:44.28 | wols_ | drasko: dpkg -r <name of package> |
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| 20:44.37 | gnufan | bb7: but who knows -- you can but try... hope you have a test server somewhere.... |
| 20:44.47 | chuckyp | iNAP, How did you install testing on this machine and how long has it been installed? |
| 20:44.48 | streuner | drasko: use 'COLUMS=200' to get the whole result... |
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| 20:44.56 | bb7 | yea dotdeb, i'm trying to make it coexist with a cgi-php4 |
| 20:45.19 | wols_ | !d-i |
| 20:45.20 | shygrrl | what type of sata controller |
| 20:45.20 | chuckyp | ariel77, What version are you trying to install? |
| 20:45.21 | iNAP | um.. burned the iso and ran the cd? and this afternoon.. 6 hours ago? |
| 20:45.22 | iNAP | 7? |
| 20:45.27 | ariel77 | stable |
| 20:45.27 | bb7 | bu i need to change the depencies of our webapp |
| 20:45.32 | gnufan | bb7: you have something that actually depends on PHP4 -- most I've seen is a few glitches between php5 and php5.1... |
| 20:45.42 | chuckyp | iNAP, netinstall or full cd? |
| 20:45.49 | iNAP | netinst |
| 20:45.56 | drasko | streuner, where to put 'COLUMS=200' and what is it for? |
| 20:46.06 | shygrrl | a |
| 20:46.08 | chuckyp | iNAP, alright there may be your problem. Download the mini.iso and install using that. |
| 20:46.09 | gnufan | bb7: I mean depends as in required php4, not debs dependencies |
| 20:46.13 | ariel77 | i am using ubuntu but i am a newbie and am not too comfortable with it compared to debian it feels a little more buggier and more unstable |
| 20:46.15 | chuckyp | iNAP, the other netinstalls are broken. |
| 20:46.17 | bb7 | gnufan: it's a big webapp not not tested with php5 |
| 20:46.21 | iNAP | mini.iso? |
| 20:46.34 | pureone | whats pink and hard? |
| 20:46.43 | chuckyp | iNAP, Yeah hold up i'll get you link its a fixed 9meg iso for netinstall of debian testing. |
| 20:46.51 | streuner | drasko: it gives you the whole output for example 'dpkg -l | grep image , so its easier to *guess* the package name... |
| 20:47.05 | iNAP | chuckyp, 1 sec let me get on windows |
| 20:47.13 | streuner | drasko: COLUMS=200 dpkg -l foo |
| 20:47.20 | gnufan | bb7: go for it -- there is a coexistence doc on the .dotdeb site I believe... but be careful of those INI files. |
| 20:47.32 | iNAP | brb |
| 20:47.34 | chuckyp | iNAP, k |
| 20:47.38 | yggdrasil | can somone suggest a good tiny webbrowser for an old box that i just got up and running (not lynx plese)..? |
| 20:47.41 | bb7 | gnufan: yes thank you;9 |
| 20:47.50 | pureone | yggdrasil, lynx |
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| 20:47.58 | chuckyp | yggdrasil, gui based or text based? |
| 20:47.59 | yggdrasil | hehah |
| 20:48.01 | yggdrasil | gui |
| 20:48.08 | gnufan | yggdrasil: dillo gets some good mentions -- there was a /. article on small linuxes this week I think -- wait a sec |
| 20:48.09 | pureone | yggdrasil, links -driver x |
| 20:48.10 | chuckyp | yggdrasil, dillo, opera etc.. |
| 20:48.25 | chuckyp | yggdrasil, how old of a box? |
| 20:48.31 | yggdrasil | p160 with 32 mb |
| 20:48.31 | gnufan | yggdrasil: http://rss.slashdot.org/Slashdot/slashdotLinux?m=308 |
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| 20:48.55 | shygrrl | let see how much hp will charge me for a serial ups cable *mumble mumble proprietary* |
| 20:48.59 | chuckyp | yggdrasil, yeah dillo is pretty light weight only problem is getting ssl to work with it. But unless you are doing online banking etc... you should be alright with dillo. |
| 20:49.03 | yggdrasil | dilos probobly pretty good huh... thanks guys |
| 20:49.06 | streuner | !installed packages |
| 20:49.06 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 20:49.11 | pureone | yggdrasil, check out links -driver x |
| 20:49.17 | streuner | drasko: ^^^ |
| 20:49.18 | Woosta | Anyone want to reccomend a useful command-line real audio streaming player? I want something in apt, so mplayer is out .. |
| 20:49.19 | Coke | I have an IDE disk that does 1786MB/s on cached reads and 2.71MB/s on buffered reads, is that good or bad? |
| 20:49.20 | yggdrasil | ilinks -driver x huh ... hmmm |
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| 20:49.29 | iNAP | chuckyp: im here. |
| 20:49.34 | drasko | streuner, thanks |
| 20:49.36 | chuckyp | iNAP, http://people.debian.org/~fjp/d-i/images/daily/gtk-miniiso/ |
| 20:49.37 | streuner | drasko: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep image |
| 20:49.38 | wols_ | Coke: depends how bug the disk is |
| 20:49.49 | chuckyp | iNAP, thats straight out of the debian weekly news. |
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| 20:49.50 | ariel77 | chuckyp where can i get the newest debian installer for amd64? |
| 20:49.57 | x-chat | hello all ! I'm new 2 debian, can someone tell the websites that need to be placed in "sources.lists" if I want install sth right from the internet using apt-get ! thanks |
| 20:50.01 | iNAP | ok.. |
| 20:50.05 | chuckyp | ariel77, net install or full cd? |
| 20:50.05 | iNAP | and what do i do with it |
| 20:50.06 | cahoot | Coke: no dma |
| 20:50.07 | wols_ | Coke: btw: NO IDE disk does 1,6GB/s over the adapter. none |
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| 20:50.13 | ariel77 | whatever one will work |
| 20:50.14 | wols_ | that's around the speed of your main memory |
| 20:50.20 | iNAP | its like a regular installer? |
| 20:50.29 | wols_ | x-chat: run apt-setup |
| 20:50.30 | iNAP | i mean |
| 20:50.31 | Coke | cahoot: I've tried to enable it with hdparm but it says permission denied. |
| 20:50.36 | chuckyp | iNAP, burn it to a disk and install , you cqan even select desktop while its installing instead of adding gnome later. |
| 20:50.36 | iNAP | a regular debian install |
| 20:50.48 | iNAP | oh cool |
| 20:50.48 | iNAP | ok |
| 20:50.53 | gnufan | shygrrl: I needed a proprietary serial cable from HP that they had stopped making once - they recommended an independent cable maker, faxed them a pin out diagram, and got 6 cables by return of post, all tested, labelled and working... about $20 a cable -- saved my fingers... |
| 20:50.55 | wols_ | Coke: you need to be root |
| 20:50.56 | cahoot | Coke: selfconfigged kernel lacking correct ide support? |
| 20:50.58 | iNAP | how is it so small |
| 20:50.58 | iNAP | lol |
| 20:51.09 | x-chat | thnx wols |
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| 20:51.12 | chuckyp | ariel77, well either will work but the link i just sent iNAP will work as well. Its a net install so it will download whatever packages you select to install. |
| 20:51.17 | Coke | cahoot: probably, but where in the 2.6.15 kernel do I add this option? |
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| 20:51.25 | ariel77 | alright |
| 20:51.27 | Coke | cahoot: I haven't found anything DMA-ish in the config. |
| 20:51.33 | iNAP | i hope itll detect my network though |
| 20:51.38 | bewest | ok, thanks to all who helped before |
| 20:51.41 | bewest | my monitor was just crappy |
| 20:51.42 | cahoot | Coke: look for ide chipset |
| 20:51.42 | ariel77 | my firefox is broken and i don't know how to fix it so i will try to find a way to get it chuckyp thanks |
| 20:51.46 | bewest | got another monitor and it works fine |
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| 20:51.59 | iNAP | cause so far only the testing version detected my network |
| 20:52.00 | chuckyp | ariel77, are you in nix now? |
| 20:52.05 | chuckyp | ariel77, or windows? |
| 20:52.06 | ariel77 | yeah |
| 20:52.18 | ariel77 | i don't use windows anymore chuckyp i am boycotting them hehe |
| 20:52.45 | chuckyp | ariel77, okay "wget http://people.debian.org/~fjp/d-i/images/daily/gtk-miniiso/mini.iso" in terminal |
| 20:52.57 | yggdrasil | what about these 3 choices netscape opera of firefox ... ? wich one would be the best ..? |
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| 20:53.09 | chuckyp | yggdrasil, for your hardware opera |
| 20:53.13 | ariel77 | chuckyp is that for an amd64? |
| 20:53.24 | yggdrasil | yea thanks .... |
| 20:53.25 | Coke | cahoot: yeah, I'm looking for a driver that works with the nforce 430 (mcp51) chipset |
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| 20:53.33 | chuckyp | ariel77, it will attempt to auto detect arch and then download the proper packages. |
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| 20:53.47 | giacus | hello |
| 20:54.01 | iNAP | ok going to install |
| 20:54.02 | iNAP | be back soon |
| 20:54.04 | wols_ | Coke: the amd751 driver perhaps? |
| 20:54.05 | chuckyp | ariel77, let me give you the link for hte full cds incase that doesn't work |
| 20:54.11 | chuckyp | iNAP, cool inap good luck |
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| 20:54.15 | iNAP | thanks |
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| 20:54.26 | chrysopa | Hi |
| 20:55.07 | ariel77 | alright |
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| 20:55.32 | cahoot | Coke: drivers/ide/pci/amd74xx.c |
| 20:55.46 | chuckyp | ariel77, ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/etch/ is for the testing version and the iso's you want are pretty clearly marked amd64. |
| 20:55.50 | ariel77 | chuckyp which do you recommend more? everyone was saying ubuntu is great but i have had nothing but problems, well considering that debian wasn't able to install |
| 20:56.14 | chrysopa | Is possible to use nmap (or other tool) to find a specific computer that have a specific service inside a network place? Find a computer that have a port 10000 open on a 192.168.125.x net? |
| 20:56.16 | Coke | wols_ & cahoot: still HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 20:56.16 | ariel77 | chuckyp if i get these iso's will i still be able to install a stable version? |
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| 20:56.30 | wols_ | Coke: are you root? |
| 20:56.38 | giacus | I succesful installed Debian choosing multi user partitioning, so I've /dev/hdc1 , /home etc, where / seems to be full, should I resize it ? |
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| 20:56.50 | chuckyp | ariel77, well I just came to debian from fedora yesterday. I really like the speed of debian compaired to the later. |
| 20:56.56 | wols_ | also, if you don't have the proper ide driver, you can't set this anyways |
| 20:56.59 | chuckyp | ariel77, hold up let me send you link for stable version |
| 20:57.00 | Coke | wols_: yep |
| 20:57.14 | ariel77 | ok hold on i am trying to swap some files |
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| 20:57.18 | chuckyp | ariel77, where do you live? |
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| 20:57.30 | chuckyp | ariel77, trying to pick a mirror close to you. |
| 20:57.31 | ariel77 | near washington d.c. chuckyp |
| 20:57.59 | Coke | wols_ & cahoot: perhaps I need a reboot even though I had the module loaded? |
| 20:58.07 | gezick | say, if i wanted to install debian on x86_64, how would i go about doing that, or would i? |
| 20:58.16 | wols_ | yes, it needs to be loaded before you mount |
| 20:58.19 | cahoot | Coke: yes - and the kernel should set it by default |
| 20:59.00 | Coke | cahoot: what do you mean with that? |
| 20:59.19 | Coke | cahoot: discover should do it or I should add it to my /etc/modules? |
| 20:59.26 | wols_ | neither |
| 20:59.36 | cahoot | Coke: config the kernel to use dma by default - and make it static not module |
| 20:59.39 | wols_ | the kernel should do it automatically. I just compile it in |
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| 21:00.30 | Coke | cahoot & wols_: I see nothing that would indicate that this module failed to load properly, but I will test this later on. Thanks guys. |
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| 21:00.50 | wols_ | Coke: you need a line like "BM-DMA" in your dmesg output |
| 21:01.02 | wols_ | unless you have that: something is misconfigured |
| 21:01.06 | th0ger_ | Hi, in my xterm(bash)/loginshells I want to make "Alt" work as "Meta" (esc works af meta now). Alt works perfectly in the rest of my X-apps, but in shells it put accented chars and stuff.... |
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| 21:01.37 | Coke | wols_: NFORCE-MCP51: 0000:00:0d.0 (rev a1) UDMA133 controller |
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| 21:01.53 | chuckyp | ariel77, I don't see any for amd64 stable. You could use the 32bit version though since the amd's can run 32 bit as well but thats up to you. But5 heres the page for the full iso's you can pick stable or testing. or use the mini.iso link i provided. http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 21:01.57 | King_Andy | hi dvm1981 |
| 21:02.03 | devin_ | Can someone tell me why.. xorg is sucking down my cpu and mem. http://pastebin.com/575527 |
| 21:02.05 | wols_ | Coke: that's not what I said |
| 21:02.40 | Coke | wols_: I know, but doesn't that indicate that I have UDMA enabled? |
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| 21:02.53 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Hello ;-) |
| 21:03.00 | wols_ | no |
| 21:03.01 | King_Andy | :) |
| 21:03.06 | ariel77 | when opening firefox says LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library libXext.so [libXext.so: cannot o pen shared object file: No such file or directory] |
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| 21:03.08 | ariel77 | how do i fix this? |
| 21:03.12 | wols_ | it means you have a controller that is capable of udma, nothing more |
| 21:03.15 | giacus | hey guys, do you know where to learn more about multiples partitions in Debian ? |
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| 21:03.35 | wols_ | ariel77: where did you get that ffox from? |
| 21:03.41 | King_Andy | giacus the manual |
| 21:03.58 | giacus | which one ? :( |
| 21:04.12 | onizuka | i need to kno same as giacus :P |
| 21:04.13 | King_Andy | the one for your computer build... |
| 21:04.18 | ariel77 | what do you mean |
| 21:04.26 | King_Andy | check the debain website |
| 21:04.28 | drasko | How to check which is my default pcm device? |
| 21:04.30 | giacus | tryng to run the ati installer it says there's no free space |
| 21:04.30 | chuckyp | giacus, http://www.madcarters.com/content/category/6/22/93/ |
| 21:04.32 | King_Andy | and then under documentation |
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| 21:04.38 | onizuka | how can u acces ur ither ext3 partition on debian / |
| 21:04.41 | onizuka | ?* |
| 21:04.41 | giacus | thanks |
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| 21:05.15 | wols_ | onizuka: think clearly then type |
| 21:05.21 | onizuka | err other* |
| 21:05.33 | wols_ | onizuka: try again from the beginning |
| 21:05.41 | chuckyp | wow lol |
| 21:05.47 | devin_ | someone tell me why.. xorg is sucking down my cpu and mem. http://pastebin.com/575527 =( |
| 21:05.48 | onizuka | how can i access another ext3 partition on debian |
| 21:05.58 | wols_ | onizuka: mount it. man mount |
| 21:06.09 | onizuka | ok ty |
| 21:06.18 | onizuka | i feeldumb =s |
| 21:06.54 | chuckyp | devin_, I have no idea you haven't provided enough information for us to even come close to helping you. |
| 21:06.59 | dvm1981 | onizuka: Look at the '/etc/fstab' file or 'man fstab' |
| 21:07.03 | giacus | chuckyp: sorry.. it seem not what I'm looking for, I just finish to install Debian on a 120 GB HD right now, I choosed multi user partitioning, I'd like to know how Debian manages these |
| 21:07.17 | giacus | beacue the / seems full ! |
| 21:07.22 | giacus | because* |
| 21:07.24 | wols_ | giacus: what is "multi user partitioning"? |
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| 21:07.26 | wols_ | there is no such thing |
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| 21:07.47 | giacus | when I installed it gave to me 3 choices |
| 21:07.57 | giacus | I choosed multiutente |
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| 21:08.03 | giacus | should be multi-users |
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| 21:08.18 | dvm1981 | wols_: A multi user system?? |
| 21:08.21 | giacus | well, it created /, /home |
| 21:08.25 | chuckyp | giacus, not familiar with it that way i'm not of much help. |
| 21:08.32 | Coke | wols_: I'm recompiling my kernel to make amd74xx part of the kernel image, but I'm in serious doubt it will make a difference. :) |
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| 21:09.15 | giacus | it seems to me a goot thing having a separate /home, /var, etc |
| 21:09.25 | giacus | but now the problem is that / seems full |
| 21:09.26 | francis | how does this work out? |
| 21:09.27 | francis | francis@student1418:~/movies> df -h |
| 21:09.27 | francis | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 21:09.27 | francis | /dev/hda1 178G 168G 932M 100% /home |
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| 21:09.53 | giacus | cannot proceed to install other |
| 21:09.57 | francis | hmm? |
| 21:09.58 | chuckyp | francis, lol |
| 21:10.05 | giacus | :) |
| 21:10.05 | francis | 3 lines is too much? |
| 21:10.09 | dvm1981 | !pastebin |
| 21:10.09 | dpkg | pastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or check out http://securelabs.zapto.org/~pureone/src/pastebin.c if your stuck in console only |
| 21:10.12 | francis | 3 lines is too much? |
| 21:10.13 | giacus | francis: waht was you sayng ? |
| 21:10.17 | wols_ | francis: 4 |
| 21:10.27 | francis | wols_: no. 3-line paste. |
| 21:10.32 | chuckyp | giacus, he was telling you to paste the out put of df -h to pastebin |
| 21:10.36 | nvz | francis: that was 4 |
| 21:10.41 | wols_ | you typed for lines. now go and do what the bot says |
| 21:10.41 | Mazingaro | Hi |
| 21:10.41 | giacus | ok |
| 21:10.48 | giacus | give me a sec. |
| 21:10.49 | ariel77 | what is another good browser that i can install |
| 21:10.52 | francis | four lines, not a four line paste |
| 21:10.53 | \amethyst | francis: you typed a line before the past that the bot counted as part of the paste |
| 21:10.56 | devin_ | chuckyp well im using debian etch, i just recently upgraded my system to kde 3.5.1 a nd for some odd reason my cpu usage is 22.6, and my mem is 9.9 / im using 6.9.0 |
| 21:11.02 | francis | ok, nevermind now. |
| 21:11.04 | chuckyp | ariel77, opera dillo konquer |
| 21:11.05 | \amethyst | francis: you expect a bot to tell the difference :) |
| 21:11.06 | nvz | francis: you werent kicked for a paste, you were kicked for a flood |
| 21:11.10 | dvm1981 | ariel77: lynx, dillo :-/ |
| 21:11.18 | Mazingaro | please, I've got a problem with an IBM IntelliStation E Pro. When it loads scsi module (aic7xxx) it reboot without error |
| 21:11.19 | francis | nvz: fine and dandy |
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| 21:11.22 | chuckyp | ariel77, take your pick then text based elinks, lynx etc... |
| 21:11.27 | nvz | francis: 4 lines in less than 30 seconds |
| 21:11.30 | dvm1981 | ariel77: Limited, but light ... |
| 21:11.31 | wols_ | ariel77: where did you get that firefox from, how did you install it? was it a .deb? was it from a official debian server? |
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| 21:11.40 | francis | did my post get sent to the chan? |
| 21:11.55 | wols_ | francis: no |
| 21:12.02 | francis | /dev/hda1 178G 168G 932M 100% /home |
| 21:12.06 | beardy | francis: copy the url, and paste the url here |
| 21:12.07 | chuckyp | francis, only the top two lines |
| 21:12.07 | francis | (from df -h) |
| 21:12.12 | wols_ | don't fucking paste in here |
| 21:12.12 | giacus | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/JO3oTd96.html |
| 21:12.13 | ariel77 | it is from ubuntu but i am asking for your help |
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| 21:12.24 | wols_ | ariel77: then ask #ubuntu |
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| 21:12.31 | giacus | how is possible ? / full ? |
| 21:12.31 | shishi_ | hello all |
| 21:12.32 | jrwr | how do i enable php5.1 for apache 2 in debian |
| 21:12.34 | ariel77 | i did |
| 21:12.39 | giacus | should I resize it ? |
| 21:12.41 | wols_ | giacus: cause it is too slow |
| 21:12.44 | jrwr | and no dpkg did not do it |
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| 21:12.46 | wols_ | erm, to small |
| 21:12.47 | shishi_ | i have problem with selinux-policy-default package |
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| 21:13.06 | Loplin | Hello |
| 21:13.09 | giacus | wols_: I just did what the installer did .. |
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| 21:13.15 | francis | why is it calculating the disk space wrong then? |
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| 21:13.25 | Woosta | Sorry to re-ask, but does anyone know of a command-line real audio streaming player that's in apt? |
| 21:13.26 | ariel77 | where is the unofficial amd64 install page for debian? |
| 21:13.27 | \amethyst | francis: what's happening? |
| 21:13.32 | wols_ | giacus: using a installer doesn't mean you shouldn't think yourself |
| 21:13.42 | francis | \amethyst: from a df -h I'm getting /dev/hda1 178G 168G 932M 100% /home |
| 21:13.47 | giacus | francis: if I try to run the ati installer it says there's no enough free space O_O |
| 21:13.52 | giacus | have 120 gb ! |
| 21:14.03 | chuckyp | ariel77, http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 21:14.05 | \amethyst | francis: ext2/3? |
| 21:14.10 | francis | 3, yup. |
| 21:14.10 | ariel77 | thanks |
| 21:14.15 | Loplin | wols_: I went to get a fan today, they didn't have any 80mm for my cpu, but I did get a stealth 80mm case fan, 7v hack seems like the best thing to do now right? |
| 21:14.22 | giacus | francis: so, what I can do now ? |
| 21:14.25 | wols_ | Loplin: yes |
| 21:14.27 | \amethyst | francis: man tune2fs, look for -r |
| 21:14.36 | wols_ | Loplin: but watch the temps at first |
| 21:14.44 | \amethyst | francis: that might be what's causing Used+Avail < Total |
| 21:14.58 | dvm1981 | giacus: So you're partition are full? |
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| 21:15.06 | wols_ | giacus: check how much space each partition has |
| 21:15.08 | Loplin | wols_: which heat sink should I keep on there? the copper one (wich is a bit smaller) or the one that came with it, which I don't know the material of? |
| 21:15.09 | Coke | wols_: by golly, you were right! |
| 21:15.10 | dvm1981 | giacus: Use you Vmware? |
| 21:15.11 | giacus | dvm1981: / seems to be full |
| 21:15.13 | Loplin | wols_: will do |
| 21:15.14 | Woosta | \amethyst: journaling at a guess |
| 21:15.17 | wols_ | Loplin: copper |
| 21:15.26 | giacus | nope .. I just install Debian from netinstall :( |
| 21:15.29 | \amethyst | 10GB journal? |
| 21:15.31 | Loplin | wols_: alright, thanks |
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| 21:15.38 | giacus | nah .. |
| 21:15.47 | dvm1981 | giacus: 'df -h' |
| 21:15.49 | giacus | I think aroun 700 mb |
| 21:15.49 | francis | \amethyst: I wouldn't really be confident with playing around with that. Reserved filesystem blocks? |
| 21:15.54 | giacus | dvm1981: ok |
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| 21:15.56 | ariel77 | which fs do you all recommend reiser or ext3 and why |
| 21:15.59 | giacus | give me a sec. |
| 21:15.59 | dvm1981 | giacus: Paste it in pastebin or so |
| 21:15.59 | francis | \amethyst: it's a very important partition; really can't muck it up. |
| 21:16.00 | cahoot | francis: 5% reserved for root |
| 21:16.02 | \amethyst | francis: they're blocks that are available only to root |
| 21:16.18 | \amethyst | francis: that way you can get in and do stuff if a user fills the disk |
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| 21:16.21 | francis | cahoot: aha! That explains it. |
| 21:16.41 | Loplin | wols_: oh, one more thing, I put my old (quieter) fan back on, should I do the 7v hack with that, or the new (loud) but thicker (about 1 inch) fan (vs 1/2 inch) |
| 21:16.52 | Coke | wols_: hehe, increased from 2.71MB/s to 68.59MB/s, thanks man. Pity the documentation for the amd74xx driver does not tell me it needs to be static in the kernel. |
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| 21:17.11 | wols_ | Loplin: it's mostly a try out. you have to balance the noise vs. the heat your CPU pushes out |
| 21:17.11 | francis | \amethyst: linux is indeed clever ;-) |
| 21:17.16 | wols_ | there is no hard rule,sorry |
| 21:17.19 | francis | \amethyst: is 5% really necessary? |
| 21:17.25 | wols_ | you can run with the old fan and new sink if it works |
| 21:17.38 | giacus | dvm1981: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/6h7IpF18.html |
| 21:17.45 | giacus | look at /dev/hdc1 |
| 21:17.49 | francis | \amethyst: (that's 10 gigs on this HD) |
| 21:17.50 | Loplin | wols_: okay, I'll just try it out when I get the materials, thanks |
| 21:18.03 | \amethyst | francis: no, that's why you should reduce it with fstune |
| 21:18.17 | \amethyst | francis: I think it's -m percent or -r blocks |
| 21:18.24 | \amethyst | francis: but you probably want less than 1% |
| 21:18.27 | dvm1981 | giacus: Have you understand the '/' is only 250M great!!! |
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| 21:18.32 | chuckyp | lol |
| 21:18.34 | ariel77 | chuckyp if i go to ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/etch/ |
| 21:18.45 | Loplin | onto a new problem: when I do 'shutdown -h now' it goes to single user mode with the option to press ctrl+d to continue, how can I get it to power down instead like it use to? |
| 21:18.49 | giacus | dvm1981: thats what the installe has auto-create |
| 21:18.52 | ariel77 | chuckyp and download those, will i be able to install the stable release? |
| 21:18.55 | giacus | can I resize it ? |
| 21:19.21 | dvm1981 | giacus: Yes, but is also good |
| 21:19.36 | dvm1981 | giacus: Have you old kernels that are leave there ? |
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| 21:19.55 | giacus | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 21:20.02 | giacus | installed by default |
| 21:20.03 | francis | \amethyst: aha! Cool stuff. Will try that now. So something like tune2fs -m 0.5 /dev/hda1? |
| 21:20.15 | chuckyp | ariel77, Like I said before you can install in a variety of ways. If you wan the full support of you hardware I would use the stable ones from the amd64 page I sent you or go with testing version and use the mini.iso |
| 21:20.26 | dvm1981 | giacus: Try to deinstall the 2.4 to get more space |
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| 21:20.49 | \amethyst | francis: I don't know if it takes non-integers |
| 21:20.56 | dvm1981 | giacus: 'ls -l /boot' |
| 21:20.58 | chuckyp | ariel77, you could also use 32bit. What is this systme for? Personal use? Server? Work? |
| 21:21.03 | giacus | dvm1981: I can do it, but .. wonder how many time apt will require free space from there :( |
| 21:21.04 | un_captain_flam | nOOb question : is it mandatory to rebuild _entirely_ the kernel using "make-kpkg ... kernel-image" for each small change, or is there another option for partial rebuild ? (i.e. not making everything from start each time) |
| 21:21.21 | dvm1981 | giacus: Yes, now you are blocked ... |
| 21:21.51 | dvm1981 | giacus: So, when you have not many experience, it's always better to view to big in diskspace |
| 21:21.52 | chuckyp | ariel77, the link you sent me would install testing version not stable version. |
| 21:22.11 | \amethyst | francis: you could use -r 131072 to set aside 128 or 256MB, depending on your block size |
| 21:22.12 | dvm1981 | giacus: Thinking how to resolv it :-/ |
| 21:22.15 | chuckyp | ariel77, if you want stable version you would have to go on that amd64 page. I believe they compiled sarge for 64. |
| 21:22.24 | giacus | dvm1981: I know .. I choseed to get separate partitions |
| 21:22.30 | giacus | for better |
| 21:22.42 | francis | \amethyst: no idea about block sizes unfortunately. I wouldn't mind giving it up to say a gig, so shall I just do that? |
| 21:22.47 | francis | I just want the extra space ;-) |
| 21:22.55 | dvm1981 | giacus: Ok, you try to learn and understand it now. Is also not an bad idea ;-0 |
| 21:22.58 | ariel77 | chuckyp this would be a workstation for my business and i need a stable distro and i don't think that ubuntu is as stable as i want |
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| 21:23.23 | giacus | dvm1981: there are few filws in /boot http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/2IB1k066.html |
| 21:23.29 | giacus | files* |
| 21:23.29 | \amethyst | francis: try -r 524288, that will probably be a gig |
| 21:23.36 | ariel77 | chuckyp i have tried the amd cds and they didn't recognize the hard drive |
| 21:23.46 | \amethyst | francis: maybe half a gig or two gigs if it's using a different blocksize |
| 21:24.02 | wols_ | giacus: that's your kernel |
| 21:24.03 | chuckyp | ariel77, then I would go with the these http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 21:24.09 | francis | \amethyst: I see how it works. Yeah, I'll just give it a little less than that. Thank you :) |
| 21:24.11 | giacus | wols_: yeah |
| 21:24.31 | francis | \amethyst: there isn't a risk involved with this, is there, would you say? |
| 21:24.33 | chuckyp | ariel77, perhaps someone else on here can help you getting the hd recognized or loading sata drivers. Did you change the bios to combine on th hd? |
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| 21:24.40 | francis | \amethyst: sorry if I'm a bit paranoid |
| 21:24.42 | giacus | hda4 is another HD (80gb) |
| 21:24.48 | giacus | mounted in /mnt/ |
| 21:24.52 | ariel77 | chuckyp i am a newbie and i don't really know how to do that |
| 21:24.57 | dvm1981 | giacus: Strange, normally you must have more space lefted, like there are not crap. |
| 21:25.17 | giacus | dunno.. |
| 21:25.33 | giacus | I just choosed that partitioning type |
| 21:25.37 | chuckyp | ariel77, http://www.madcarters.com/content/view/6/1/ here theres some sata info. |
| 21:25.46 | giacus | I'm surprised |
| 21:25.47 | dvm1981 | giacus: Try to look in the 'root' (/) to see what are eating the space in the / |
| 21:25.47 | ariel77 | oh cool thanks |
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| 21:26.21 | chuckyp | ariel77, and if you want stable use these cds http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 21:26.26 | dvm1981 | giacus: Can you post the command? 'ls -lh /' |
| 21:26.34 | tomas_ | i chown'ed /var/www like this: chown -R www-owner /var/www. and i added my user as www-owner in /etc/group. why can't my user touch files in /var/www with full permissions etc? |
| 21:26.47 | francis | \amethyst: aha, done. Worked. Thank you very very much :) |
| 21:26.52 | giacus | dvm1981: yeah |
| 21:27.00 | ariel77 | chuckyp ok great thanks |
| 21:27.02 | dvm1981 | giacus: thx :-) |
| 21:27.11 | Woosta | tomas_: you're getting users and groups mixed up |
| 21:27.22 | Woosta | you needed to chgrp -are www-owner /va/www |
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| 21:27.35 | tomas_ | Woosta: ah. what's -are for? |
| 21:28.10 | Woosta | It's my stupid gaim changing the 18th letter of the english alphabet into a word |
| 21:28.10 | nvz | 17:54 <+appleboy> that's the other one |
| 21:28.10 | nvz | 17:54 <+appleboy> oh |
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| 21:28.10 | giacus | dvm1981: here is http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/gGOtvx56.html |
| 21:28.27 | tomas_ | its not. you are vaccum cleaner |
| 21:28.40 | gezick | does that sarge-x86-64 work ok? |
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| 21:29.02 | ZeNN | how can br0 (bridged) netbios be dropped ? |
| 21:29.17 | parityflag | hi folks |
| 21:29.19 | Woosta | tomas_: And also, make sure group has write permissions in there too: chmod -r g+w /var/www |
| 21:29.23 | pango | hi all... I have a question about soft raid1... some remote server I'm administering rebooted, and one of the disks somehow didn't start (not seen). If the server is rebooted again, and the disk recognized again, will the volume stay in degraded mode, or reassembled (and possibly leading to data corruption) ? I'm a bit anxious :/ |
| 21:29.30 | andax | i have an amilo 1640 notebook, and I have some trouble with pcmcia. lspci output does not display the card in the slot, and cardctl status says both slots are empty. So how to access the pcmcia card? |
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| 21:30.17 | raf256[laptop] | is there a one floppy network-installer? |
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| 21:30.26 | raf256[laptop] | or rather boot loader, I have a CDROM |
| 21:30.37 | raf256[laptop] | but stupid BIOS do not boot from CDROM, only from floppy |
| 21:30.47 | dvm1981 | giacus: I have not a sollution, but i can say that 'usr' '/var' are a bit to little, comming somme troubles in some times :-/ |
| 21:30.53 | ariel77 | chuckyp what do you use ext3 or reiser? |
| 21:31.09 | raf256[laptop] | so I need a floppy image that will just run the debian cd rom |
| 21:31.13 | giacus | dvm1981: the only thing seems to me to reinstall again |
| 21:31.23 | wols_ | raf256[laptop]: there can't be since debian needs more than one floppy |
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| 21:31.35 | pango | raf256[laptop]: bios doesn't even have the feature to boot from CD ? |
| 21:31.40 | tomas_ | Woosta: chmod: kan inte komma � "g+w": File don't exist |
| 21:31.44 | chuckyp | ariel77, I would ask some of these other guys but i'm running ext3 i believe. |
| 21:31.56 | chuckyp | ariel77, lose track with so many boxes here. |
| 21:32.00 | dvm1981 | giacus: It's a fresh install? What are you plan to use that machine? Desktop/server? Plan to install and test an webserver ... |
| 21:32.01 | drasko | I can not control volume neither from xmms, nor from beep. Gnome native player works fine. Any Idea |
| 21:32.09 | ariel77 | what do you all recommend reiser or ext3? |
| 21:32.18 | tomas_ | Woosta: oh +gw. or? |
| 21:32.21 | giacus | dvm1981: its a WK , no servers |
| 21:32.40 | Woosta | tomas_: Don't just blindly enter any commands people give you in chat channels .. work out what they do first so you know if you want to run them |
| 21:32.44 | chuckyp | tomas_, if you want to change the owner and the group just chown tomas:tomas poop |
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| 21:32.52 | g0th | hi |
| 21:32.52 | dvm1981 | giacus: With software, you maken an server, no needs special hardware. |
| 21:32.53 | giacus | I finish to install a bit ago |
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| 21:33.08 | neuterspay | Hey g0th |
| 21:33.10 | chuckyp | tomas_, like chown -R tomas:tomas /var/www |
| 21:33.14 | parityflag | is there a program to kick me whenever I should do something like a backup or doing some studies? |
| 21:33.16 | g0th | Does ahavi-daemon do the same as mDNSResponder, ie. can I savely remove mDNSResponder? |
| 21:33.19 | chuckyp | tomas_, or whatever user and group you want. |
| 21:33.31 | tomas_ | Woosta: ye. i did rm -fr /* today. but i wanted to on my frebsd server . hehe. it was nice |
| 21:33.44 | tomas_ | chuckyp: group:user ? |
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| 21:33.54 | chuckyp | tomas_, user:group |
| 21:34.10 | giacus | dvm1981: I'd also like to use separated partitions, but I've no idea how to split the 120 GB HD |
| 21:34.24 | dvm1981 | giacus: You have manny space, i suggest to make that / a bit bigger. And also to left space (no partitioning that part) in case you need to add an partition. |
| 21:34.38 | pango | parityflag: leave ? |
| 21:34.42 | giacus | how much big ? |
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| 21:34.49 | giacus | some gigabyte ? |
| 21:34.54 | chuckyp | dvm1981, what about lvm for him. |
| 21:35.09 | dvm1981 | giacus: For security it's best to split and make an partition for each thing |
| 21:35.18 | parityflag | pango: lol. I mean some kind of reminder. that pops up a window |
| 21:35.46 | giacus | dvm1981: I know, I used Debian for years, but never tried taht before |
| 21:35.55 | giacus | always in one partition |
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| 21:36.13 | thor | hi |
| 21:36.32 | thor | need some help with Fedora core if any1 can help :/ |
| 21:36.46 | dvm1981 | giacus: Yes, i understand, on my most computers... But not on all. I also try it the last time, to split it in little partitions. |
| 21:36.55 | wols_ | thor: read the channelname... |
| 21:37.00 | thor | i kno |
| 21:37.06 | ariel77 | because knoppix is based on debian is it possible to install knoppix and then change to a debian distro? |
| 21:37.09 | wols_ | then what are you doing here? |
| 21:37.12 | pango | parityflag: tried apt-cache search remind ? |
| 21:37.15 | wols_ | ariel77: no |
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| 21:37.36 | ariel77 | wols_ do you know why when i try to install debian it says that my hd is not plugged in? |
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| 21:37.56 | ice_1963 | r jest install Debian |
| 21:37.59 | giacus | I'd lke to try to resize as latest chanche it before reinstall |
| 21:38.07 | dvm1981 | giacus: Moment, making that cup of coffe :-) |
| 21:38.10 | klync | ariel77: are you using sata drives or something? could be that you need to load special drivers before proceeding with the install |
| 21:38.12 | wols_ | ariel77: the kernel you install with is too old I guess. it doesn't support your IDE controller yet. try an installer with the latest 2.6.15 kernel |
| 21:38.16 | giacus | hehe |
| 21:38.46 | parityflag | pango: great idea. lol I didnt know that 'leave' exists. I thought you told me to leave |
| 21:38.56 | neuterspay | I'm going to start using emacs as my main JDE ~ good idea? Anybody else do the same? |
| 21:38.58 | drasko | In both beep player and xmms I switch output to alsa, and go to preferences for that plugin. But chosing M Audio from the pull down menu gives me COULDN"T OPEN AUDIO. So I have to choose default. What's wrong with my setup? |
| 21:38.59 | ariel77 | alright thank you wols_ |
| 21:39.11 | ariel77 | klync it may be sata how do i install with sata? |
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| 21:39.20 | tomas_ | i can't get this working. i want the group www-owner to have total control over /var/www |
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| 21:39.35 | pango | parityflag: :) |
| 21:39.36 | tomas_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:40.06 | wols_ | tomas_: cd /var/www;chmod -R g+rwx * |
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| 21:40.10 | g0th | anyway? |
| 21:40.10 | klync | ariel77: you'll have to figure out what kind of drives you have before anything else.... it might help to boot from the Knoppix cd, and read the output of commands like `lsmod` and `dmesg` and `lspci` |
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| 21:40.26 | shining | neuterspay: I guess |
| 21:40.35 | tomas_ | wols_: does'nt that affect every group? |
| 21:40.37 | wols_ | klync: no. he needs to figure out his IDE controller. not th drives |
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| 21:40.47 | WB|stpe | tomas_: chgrp -R www-owner /var/www |
| 21:40.48 | [nicolas] | I want to download etch's ISO (CD), but I don't want to download all the 14 CD's... which one do I need? the first three? |
| 21:40.50 | g0th | I'm not sure how: howl, mDNSResponder, zeroconf and avahi interact together |
| 21:40.53 | wols_ | tomas_: it affects /var/www/ |
| 21:41.15 | klync | wols_: i hate to be a snob against teh n00bs, but if he doesn't know whether he's got IDE or SATA drives, i got nothin more to add |
| 21:41.15 | tomas_ | yes |
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| 21:41.43 | drasko | anyone? |
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| 21:41.47 | ice_1963 | lol |
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| 21:42.04 | shygrrl | hmm |
| 21:42.04 | wols_ | tomas_: if /var/www/ usbÄt www-owner grouped yet: cd /var/www;chown -R :www-owner *;chmod -R g+rwx * |
| 21:42.06 | g0th | Can I simply remove mDNSResponder and howl and install libavahi-* |
| 21:42.09 | shygrrl | whats the drive issue? |
| 21:42.10 | g0th | and avahi-daemon |
| 21:42.25 | ice_1963 | i have IDE :0) |
| 21:42.37 | shygrrl | p |
| 21:43.01 | ice_1963 | p |
| 21:43.02 | klync | drasko: possibly you don't have the oss compatibility layer set up for the 2nd card? i'd be able to give you better advice if i was at home... it took a *little* work to get two cards to load properly |
| 21:43.17 | dvm1981 | giacus: Have you look a bit, to try to figure out what happend? I'm back |
| 21:43.18 | tomas_ | wols_: now i fully understand those commands except the if statement which i won't run:) |
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| 21:43.34 | giacus | dvm1981: I'm |
| 21:43.37 | wols_ | tomas_: sorry. cd instead of if |
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| 21:43.59 | tomas_ | ah |
| 21:44.00 | wols_ | tomas_: if would be a simple bash scripting command |
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| 21:44.13 | giacus | dvm1981: what can I try ? |
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| 21:44.35 | wols_ | glut: what filesystem is your / ? |
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| 21:44.51 | wols_ | giacus: I mean |
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| 21:45.03 | klync | drasko: if you start xmms from the commandline, you might get a more detailed error message... also, check dmesg |
| 21:45.03 | giacus | ext3 |
| 21:45.04 | dvm1981 | giacus: 'df -lh /' 'df -lh /boot' ... |
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| 21:45.15 | giacus | dvm1981: ok .. |
| 21:45.23 | dvm1981 | giacus: And try to locate wherer that space are used for, so we can ... |
| 21:45.27 | drasko | klync, I have only one card -- M Audio Audiophile... |
| 21:45.31 | wols_ | giacus: you can resize ext2 partitions (you can convert it temporarily to a ext2 one) |
| 21:45.43 | pango | anyone has an idea for my raid1 problem ? Should I somehow "reset" the disk that wasn't seen, or will everything go fine as-is ? |
| 21:45.50 | giacus | dvm1981: the only big file I seen is the ati installer.bin about 37 mb |
| 21:46.01 | klync | drasko: but choosing "default" works? |
| 21:46.04 | giacus | others are what apt has installed |
| 21:46.20 | dvm1981 | giacus: hhhmmm, ati shit |
| 21:46.23 | giacus | think I do not install kde or gnome, just ion3 |
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| 21:46.35 | dam_ned | I might be ignorant, but what happened to incoming.debian.org? |
| 21:46.37 | drasko | klync, yes |
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| 21:46.38 | dam_ned | it seems empty... |
| 21:46.40 | dvm1981 | giacus: It's possible that ati have crap again |
| 21:46.45 | giacus | dvm1981: I know.. but I need 3D accell working |
| 21:47.11 | ariel77 | where can i find the install cds for the daily debian builds |
| 21:47.13 | giacus | video card is radeon 9600 256 mb |
| 21:47.15 | tomas_ | still problems. do you find this strange? as root: cat /etc/group |grep www-owner;pwd;chgrp -R www-owner /var/www/;chmod -R g+rwx *: www-owner:x:1001:tomas /var/www as user "tomas"; touch index.html: Access Denied |
| 21:47.18 | dvm1981 | giacus: I would say that he used many space, crap, and leave some things where it not must be, and then we have ... |
| 21:47.37 | drasko | klync, How to check which is default. Could it be on board audio device? -- but my speakers are connected to m-audio, and I can hear the sound... |
| 21:47.45 | giacus | I'm tryng to run it from /root/ |
| 21:47.58 | giacus | I can try to run from differente dir |
| 21:47.59 | dvm1981 | giacus: Try to find a bit more. It's possible that it's not that the cause. |
| 21:48.02 | klync | drasko: not sure... very strange |
| 21:48.06 | giacus | dunno if change something |
| 21:48.08 | dvm1981 | yest |
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| 21:48.59 | eeyore- | hey guys ... we have an old debian sid that had software raid (raidtools2) ... is this on-disk compatible with device mapper? |
| 21:49.07 | BeBoo | Heya. Anyone who knows got a guide/howto on compiling php5 on debian stable? I would like to create a .deb package for it, with the modules i want |
| 21:49.26 | eeyore- | and what the heck does debian call the device-mapper packages anyway? |
| 21:49.29 | dvm1981 | giacus: How many in '/root/'? |
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| 21:49.58 | drasko | Anyone: how to check which is my default sound device? |
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| 21:50.30 | giacus | dvm1981: few files, the biggest is the ati installer 37 mb |
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| 21:50.55 | godmachine81 | can someone tell me what the applet in the bottom right corner of this screenshot is called: http://www.deviantart.com/view/17409633/ |
| 21:51.32 | dvm1981 | giacus: 37MB in '/root' x in '/boot/'. Not forget that there are only 250MB for that partition. |
| 21:51.55 | SlayerXP | godmachine81: I bet gtkrellmCOMPLETEWASTEOFFRIKINCPUPOWER |
| 21:52.00 | SlayerXP | and I didn't even look yet |
| 21:52.11 | mohua | godmachine81: gkrellm |
| 21:52.16 | dvm1981 | giacus: You are there very fast on the 250, if there are things that take space an so :-/ |
| 21:52.17 | giacus | mmm, yeah, what happen if I want to install 2-3 kernels :( |
| 21:52.23 | SlayerXP | yes, I was right |
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| 21:52.33 | dvm1981 | gkrellm? |
| 21:53.06 | tomas_ | YES |
| 21:53.18 | dvm1981 | godmachine81: ^^ |
| 21:53.22 | godmachine81 | thanks u all |
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| 21:53.46 | dvm1981 | godmachine81: Look for wm window applets |
| 21:54.12 | cr3 | is there an easy way to determine if a directory points to a mounted device? I need to know in a script, so I'd rather not have to parse df output. |
| 21:54.22 | dvm1981 | godmachine81: ex: wmcpuload |
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| 21:54.41 | raf256[laptop] | I have a PC that boots only from floppy, how to install debian on it? |
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| 21:55.05 | zenwryly | is mdadm the recommended tool for administering and monitoring md devices in debian (unstable if it makes a difference)? |
| 21:55.06 | dvm1981 | raf256[laptop]: Installing from floppy |
| 21:55.22 | klync | cr3: you could probably figure something out using `df -h /path/to/maybe/mountpoint` and grep |
| 21:55.23 | godmachine81 | dvm1981: i currently am running gdesklets.. |
| 21:55.30 | raf256[laptop] | dvm1981: there is like debian net insaller, but from one floppy? where? |
| 21:55.43 | godmachine81 | if you all want to see my desktop then ill give ya a link to it.. tell me what ya all think |
| 21:56.25 | godmachine81 | http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=18627739964402adfb38d01&p=screen |
| 21:56.37 | raf256[laptop] | dvm1981: !floppy |
| 21:56.43 | raf256[laptop] | !floppy |
| 21:56.43 | dpkg | i heard floppy is flop, flop, flop.. or don't copy that floppy! |
| 21:56.43 | dvm1981 | raf256[laptop]: You can begin the install from floppy, then continue to download the rest from the net |
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| 21:57.18 | raf256[laptop] | where? can't find |
| 21:57.21 | dvm1981 | !floppy install |
| 21:57.21 | dpkg | hmm... floppy install is requires at least 2 discs |
| 21:57.27 | dvm1981 | ^^ |
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| 21:57.49 | dvm1981 | on my desk :-/ |
| 21:57.56 | dvm1981 | searching |
| 21:58.05 | dvm1981 | I not remember |
| 21:58.15 | raf256[laptop] | wtf? |
| 21:58.22 | raf256[laptop] | someone should update that factoid to the URL above |
| 21:58.28 | WB|stpe | cr3: i.e. in a way like that: mounted=`mount |grep " /my/dir " |wc | awk '{ print $1 }'`; echo mounted |
| 21:58.32 | abrotman | what?!?! |
| 21:58.39 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 21:58.39 | dpkg | i heard sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 |
| 21:58.41 | abrotman | yay! |
| 21:58.55 | dvm1981 | :-) |
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| 21:58.59 | WB|stpe | cr3: mounted is 1 if /my/dir is mounted |
| 21:59.07 | raf256[laptop] | add then "see also: !sarge bf" to !floppy and !floppy install |
| 21:59.14 | neuterspay | dutch@neuterspay:~/perl$ perl mind.pl |
| 21:59.14 | neuterspay | dutch@neuterspay:~/perl$ ls |
| 21:59.14 | neuterspay | mind.pl mind.pl~ |
| 21:59.15 | neuterspay | dutch@neuterspay:~/perl$ |
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| 21:59.23 | godmachine81 | raf256[laptop]: are you talking about the url i just put up |
| 21:59.33 | abrotman | !floppy install |
| 21:59.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, floppy install is requires at least 2 discs, or see <sarge bf> |
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| 21:59.36 | abrotman | berr? |
| 21:59.37 | abrotman | better? |
| 21:59.44 | raf256[laptop] | yeap |
| 21:59.52 | raf256[laptop] | beer as well, why not |
| 22:00.08 | giacus | dvm1981: /home is 111.79 GB lol |
| 22:00.10 | giacus | :( |
| 22:00.14 | dvm1981 | thanks abrotman that added it :-) |
| 22:00.23 | neuterspay | Sorry about that - shouldn't running a perl program be as easy as "~/perl$ perl mind.pl"? |
| 22:00.27 | cr3 | WB|stpe: thanks, I'll use that |
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| 22:00.42 | dvm1981 | giacus: And '/usr/' to less. :-( |
| 22:00.43 | raf256[laptop] | neuterspay: no, it should be extrely hard and involve kernel hacking. |
| 22:00.44 | godmachine81 | raf256[laptop]: what are you talking about update the factoid? |
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| 22:01.04 | giacus | dvm1981: /usr is 4.92 |
| 22:01.06 | raf256[laptop] | godmachine81: ah just to link !floppy install to !sarge bf |
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| 22:01.28 | dvm1981 | giacus: For a wk is a bit just, if you want experiment with the software, install docs ... |
| 22:01.36 | giacus | looking at qtparted, there's no way to resize it |
| 22:01.36 | raf256[laptop] | what should I use to record a floppy imagte |
| 22:01.37 | purestorm | Hi. Where can I learn how to write init.d scripts? |
| 22:01.39 | neuterspay | raf256[laptop]: Well that's the method for running a perl program though, eye? |
| 22:01.41 | godmachine81 | hmm i think ur talking about something else.. i just put a URL up to a screenshot.. |
| 22:01.46 | dvm1981 | s/wk/workstation |
| 22:01.54 | raf256[laptop] | neuterspay: ask #perl |
| 22:02.06 | fhffhqvb | why would you put a known broken package into testing :-| |
| 22:02.24 | cheloo | everybody please watch this http://www.rolinux.ro/05032005/img_0261.html |
| 22:02.25 | cheloo | :) |
| 22:02.30 | fhffhqvb | cheloo: no |
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| 22:02.51 | giacus | dvm1981: thats ok, i'll reinstall, ty for the help :P |
| 22:02.53 | dvm1981 | giacus: I think that /usr is to less for you. |
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| 22:03.05 | giacus | yeah |
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| 22:03.36 | giacus | bye |
| 22:03.49 | dvm1981 | giacus: You have many space, and give to less for some partition, that / is normally good with 250MB. I not see how it comme that it's full. ati? |
| 22:04.24 | dvm1981 | to late.... |
| 22:04.27 | dvm1981 | arg |
| 22:04.29 | dvm1981 | coffe |
| 22:04.39 | Estes2 | how can i analyse why a script cause an NFS share to hang ? |
| 22:04.39 | dn3 | cafe latte |
| 22:04.40 | dn3 | :) |
| 22:04.52 | Estes2 | well, the client hangs actually |
| 22:05.00 | dvm1981 | dn3: And is good :-0 |
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| 22:05.20 | dn3 | thanks to remind me about coffe :) |
| 22:05.21 | dvm1981 | Estes2: top? |
| 22:05.32 | dvm1981 | Estes2: ps? |
| 22:05.39 | lepton | Estes2: strace <command that hangs> |
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| 22:06.03 | googlah | hello debianers :) |
| 22:06.06 | King_Andy | dvm1981 what time is it for you? |
| 22:06.22 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: 23:08 |
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| 22:06.59 | Estes2 | hum |
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| 22:07.13 | Estes2 | i know which particular script causes the hang |
| 22:07.18 | jeff__ | anyone know if its possible to use a metastor with a normal box |
| 22:07.20 | Estes2 | i just would know why |
| 22:07.21 | jeff__ | i have it for a sparc 670mp |
| 22:07.29 | yggdrasil | i have this sound card ESS 1878/1879 chipset; 16-bit FM synthesizer; SoundBlaster but it doesnt show up in the lspci .. this is an old laptop can somone hlp me out |
| 22:07.44 | googlah | after a month usage of linux i really found out that linux rules, and debian is a great distro :) |
| 22:07.52 | curt | abrotman, priv msg? |
| 22:07.57 | googlah | i'm kinda addicted, hehe |
| 22:07.57 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: ? |
| 22:07.59 | abrotman | curt: ok |
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| 22:08.58 | King_Andy | yea, ill be back in a few, i gotta do some things dvm1981 |
| 22:09.04 | King_Andy | just 10 or so minutes |
| 22:09.17 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: No problem ;-) |
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| 22:09.27 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Need help or so? |
| 22:09.50 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: After 10 min? |
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| 22:11.45 | th0ger_ | Is anyone here familiar with the 'setmetamode' command? |
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| 22:13.12 | fhffhqvb | th0ger: nein. |
| 22:13.19 | yggdrasil | googlah im feeling the same thing |
| 22:13.33 | fhffhqvb | !slay yggdrasil |
| 22:13.47 | yggdrasil | uh ... hahah |
| 22:14.36 | TonyRad | I've been looking into ftp server possibilities.. I was wondering if any of you had any suggestions? Any specific app you like? |
| 22:14.38 | dn3 | setmetamode heh nice command |
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| 22:14.59 | gnufan | TonyRad: what for -- I like vsftpd but for complex stuff proftpd.. |
| 22:16.19 | yggdrasil | !slay fhffhqvb |
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| 22:16.39 | TonyRad | gnufan: nothing major. I just wanna put up a file server just to put one up |
| 22:16.43 | nukeu666 | question:why isnt my .bashrc being read when i login? |
| 22:16.57 | nukeu666 | i have to source it evertime |
| 22:17.35 | afinley | Hi, I'm running testing at home an it mounts usb just dandy, But I installed sarge here at work and I can't mount usb or see sdb stuff in dev. What do I need to do? THANKS |
| 22:17.35 | gnufan | TonyRad: vsftpd then... proftpd I used when I needed virtual users, with virtual quota, and the option of bandwidth quota... but for less ambitious stuff vsftpd is fine. |
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| 22:19.03 | jrwr | how do i get apache2 to use php5.1 |
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| 22:20.04 | googlah | yggdrasil, nice, are you also new when it comes to linux? |
| 22:20.10 | TonyRad | cool, thatnks |
| 22:20.23 | gnufan | nukeu666: http://gnome22.alioth.debian.org/gnome22-faq.html |
| 22:20.39 | raf256[laptop] | I connectet a floppy |
| 22:20.41 | raf256[laptop] | how to mount it? |
| 22:21.00 | raf256[laptop] | Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, type 0 |
| 22:21.04 | afinley | Ok, in out of the box sarge, why are there no sda, sdb, etc in dev? |
| 22:21.16 | raf256[laptop] | SCSI device sda: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB) |
| 22:21.21 | raf256[laptop] | how to mount and use it |
| 22:21.29 | afinley | do I need some kernel mod? |
| 22:21.31 | yggdrasil | googlah well not brand new but im learning more now than ever... |
| 22:21.40 | yggdrasil | i have this sound card ESS 1878/1879 chipset; 16-bit FM synthesizer; SoundBlaster but it doesnt show up in the lspci .. this is an old laptop can somone hlp me out |
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| 22:21.49 | stew | afinley: do you have udev installed? |
| 22:21.52 | dvm1981 | raf256[laptop]: mount /dev/floppy /floppy |
| 22:21.54 | stew | afinley: (did you install gnome?) |
| 22:21.56 | dvm1981 | ? |
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| 22:22.00 | raf256[laptop] | dvm1981: /dev/sda worked |
| 22:22.06 | raf256[laptop] | dvm1981: its a usb floppy |
| 22:22.09 | afinley | stew: yes gnome, Ill check for udev |
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| 22:22.23 | dvm1981 | raf256[laptop]: The same thing then /dev/sda |
| 22:22.51 | raf256[laptop] | how to format a floppy? |
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| 22:23.04 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: man fdformat |
| 22:23.06 | raf256[laptop] | into the typical floppy format readable by windoze, dos, etc |
| 22:23.10 | yggdrasil | format it for ntfs |
| 22:23.15 | stew | afinley: if you installed gnome you got udev. if you don't have /dev/sda its becuase udev doens't think you have any scsi disk devices attached to your machine. if you actually do it means you probably need to load drivers for the disk controllers |
| 22:23.29 | streuner | raf256[laptop]: look at the mtools package |
| 22:23.31 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: fdformat it, install mtools if not there already, mformat a: |
| 22:23.41 | raf256[laptop] | ok |
| 22:23.56 | raf256[laptop] | hmm anyway I have to use dd |
| 22:23.59 | raf256[laptop] | !floppy install |
| 22:24.00 | dpkg | i guess floppy install is requires at least 2 discs, or see <sarge bf> |
| 22:24.04 | raf256[laptop] | !sarge bf |
| 22:24.04 | dpkg | from memory, sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 |
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| 22:24.38 | gnufan | nukeu666: that didn't work -- seems there is a run as login shell -- I'll try that next |
| 22:24.58 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: Then just dd the image then. You don't need a filesystem on it, since that is what the image contains. |
| 22:25.06 | yggdrasil | format it for ntfs |
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| 22:25.30 | beardy | yggdrasil: ? |
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| 22:25.44 | yggdrasil | i have this sound card ESS 1878/1879 chipset; 16-bit FM synthesizer; SoundBlaster but it doesnt show up in the lspci .. this is an old laptop can somone hlp me out |
| 22:25.47 | yggdrasil | thats what i meant |
| 22:26.40 | googlah | yggdrasil, sry for the delay, cool.. i really dont know where to start to begin learn stuff |
| 22:26.45 | beardy | yggdrasil: Perhaps ISA, if laptops had that. |
| 22:26.46 | afinley | stew: thanks your right I do have udev. I used to have testing on this same machine and there was no problem with usb. What else could be missing? |
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| 22:26.59 | beardy | yggdrasil: Which kernel? |
| 22:27.00 | yggdrasil | hmmm intersting beardy |
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| 22:27.04 | yggdrasil | sarge |
| 22:27.13 | beardy | yggdrasil: uname -a, paste here |
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| 22:27.21 | gnufan | nukeu666: I give in -- making "bash" the command to run in the gnome terminal seems to do the trick - crude but simple. |
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| 22:27.26 | yggdrasil | ok give a sec |
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| 22:27.44 | King_Andy | dvm1981 i still never got my 1024x768 resolution...im still stuck as 800x600 |
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| 22:28.31 | chuckyp | King_Andy, does your monitor support higher than 800x600? |
| 22:28.33 | [6502] | hello... i'm going to try to compile glut from source (freeglut complains about missing dri on my system) ... is there anything i should pay special care to ? i'm on a debian sarge + propietary nvidia driver ... |
| 22:28.56 | beardy | yggdrasil: uname -r, if you're not irc:ing from it then |
| 22:29.12 | King_Andy | i had it as 1024x768 when i was running Windows XP for a year or so with this monitor... |
| 22:29.19 | yggdrasil | yea im not |
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| 22:29.20 | King_Andy | its just not working for KDE |
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| 22:29.33 | yggdrasil | i jutst did an updatedb so ... give it a sec |
| 22:29.39 | ariel77 | is it easy to go from a testing distro to downgrade to a stable distro? |
| 22:29.51 | yggdrasil | i dont think you can |
| 22:29.55 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: It's because it's not been configured to use that resolution |
| 22:30.04 | chuckyp | ariel77, why didn't you just install the stable distro? |
| 22:30.07 | beardy | yggdrasil: Next time you can do 'updatedb &', to run it in the background. |
| 22:30.13 | beardy | ariel77: No. |
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| 22:30.16 | yggdrasil | yea i know its just slowss..... |
| 22:30.31 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Supposing using xfree86 then run as root 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 22:30.35 | beardy | yggdrasil: Just use another vt :) |
| 22:30.47 | yggdrasil | its taht old laptop i was tellin you aobut i... |
| 22:30.52 | yggdrasil | its barely doin it |
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| 22:31.11 | beardy | yggdrasil: It still has more vt:s, even if it's old. |
| 22:31.15 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: And read the config file '/etc/X11/XF86Config-4' read good the top of it |
| 22:31.16 | ApTek | TOP |
| 22:31.19 | King_Andy | well we did that a few times last night and it never changed my options in KDE to allow me to choose 1024x768 |
| 22:31.19 | yggdrasil | yea i know |
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| 22:31.55 | King_Andy | i selected it all right, first time with the enter key, and the space key the second time i have to chose resolution |
| 22:32.03 | yggdrasil | 2.4.27-2.386 |
| 22:32.08 | King_Andy | i did that 3-4 times last night |
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| 22:32.50 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: In dpkg-recon... You need to select the 1024x768, then one of the next screen ask what resolution you want to use in x. So you need to select it 2 times. |
| 22:32.52 | beardy | yggdrasil: updatedb is run by cron, but if you're not going to have it up always, have a look at anacron |
| 22:32.55 | raf256[laptop] | !sarge bf |
| 22:32.55 | dpkg | [sarge floppies] http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 |
| 22:33.02 | beardy | !botmasg |
| 22:33.06 | chuckyp | ariel77, you can just download the stable version from http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ for your amd64. |
| 22:33.07 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 22:33.07 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 22:33.18 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Yes, i remember yesterday, but im sure ... |
| 22:33.31 | King_Andy | ill run the dkpg reconfig again |
| 22:33.32 | yggdrasil | so beardy then what do you make of it |
| 22:34.11 | beardy | yggdrasil: Ok. Alsa (the soundsupport) is easier to get up and running in a 2.6 kernel, doyou mind installing a 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:34.12 | abrotman | beardy: why you ignore me!? |
| 22:34.24 | beardy | abrotman: I don't? |
| 22:34.27 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: You need the choose 1024x768 - 800x600 - 640x480 |
| 22:34.29 | abrotman | beardy: in -ot! |
| 22:34.30 | yggdrasil | beardy not at all |
| 22:34.31 | ariel77 | chuckyp yeah i tried the stable version but it doesn't recognize the hard drive |
| 22:34.49 | yggdrasil | i had a feeling it was gonna come to that but im surprised it wasnt in the lspci ... isnt that all the hardware ? |
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| 22:35.05 | chuckyp | ariel77, Mostlikely you just need drivers for the sata controller. I'm sure someone in here can get you up and running with the stable installer. |
| 22:35.23 | ariel77 | yeah people don't seem to excited to help me and i am tired and have to go to sleep |
| 22:35.30 | King_Andy | dvm1981 i hit space next to 1024x768, 800x600, 640x480 |
| 22:35.32 | beardy | yggdrasil: It's all the pci hardware. But your soundcard might not be pci. Alsa works fine with ISA cards aswell, or whatever your card is. |
| 22:35.40 | parityflag | what do you think... where's the best place to set VISUAL environment variable to specify the default editor, system-wide? |
| 22:35.45 | abrotman | beardy: in -ot! |
| 22:35.46 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Yes, that is needed! ;-) |
| 22:35.48 | yggdrasil | yea interssting |
| 22:35.52 | beardy | yggdrasil: Install a 2.6 kernel, then read "/msg dpkg alsa 2.6" |
| 22:35.55 | yggdrasil | ill see whati can do |
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| 22:36.07 | yggdrasil | beardy do you mean compile a new kernel from source ? |
| 22:36.23 | King_Andy | dvm1981 now should i reboot my computer |
| 22:36.27 | dvm1981 | no |
| 22:36.28 | redphoenix1 | hello im having some trouble with my 1 of my hd |
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| 22:36.42 | redphoenix1 | and i dont know where ells to go |
| 22:36.42 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 22:37.01 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Using gdm? i think that i forget |
| 22:37.04 | redphoenix1 | when i try to run 2fsck on it it gives me this |
| 22:37.06 | redphoenix1 | e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hdb |
| 22:37.20 | King_Andy | etc/init.d/gdm: no such file or directory |
| 22:37.21 | redphoenix1 | i started getting that error a couple months ago but never did anything |
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| 22:37.40 | redphoenix1 | anything i can do to fix this? |
| 22:37.47 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: As root user, or press CTRL+ALT+DEL |
| 22:37.57 | yggdrasil | beardy thanks bro.... |
| 22:37.58 | King_Andy | i am on KDE as root |
| 22:37.58 | dn3 | redphoenix1 probably its hardware problem cables or mainboard |
| 22:38.00 | chuckyp | King_Andy, /etc/init.d/gdm restart Notice the first slash. |
| 22:38.16 | redphoenix1 | but the hd works just fine |
| 22:38.21 | King_Andy | chuckyp yes i put that it |
| 22:38.21 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: right replace 'gdm' wiht 'kdm' |
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| 22:38.54 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: CTRL+ALT+DEL ?? |
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| 22:39.05 | redphoenix1 | im just trying to resize it because i deleted some partitions on it |
| 22:39.06 | King_Andy | that asks me to log off |
| 22:39.07 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: That restart x |
| 22:39.18 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: And not the computer ...!!! |
| 22:39.26 | dn3 | King_Andy: gdm will install you libselinux1 :) |
| 22:39.35 | raf256[laptop] | in the fucks name! |
| 22:39.45 | raf256[laptop] | how do one set up boot from CD |
| 22:39.48 | raf256[laptop] | in this bloddy PC box |
| 22:40.01 | chuckyp | raf256[laptop], lol in the bios how old is the pc? |
| 22:40.04 | raf256[laptop] | or floppy |
| 22:40.20 | raf256[laptop] | chuckyp: bios is from 1986, but updated in 1996 |
| 22:40.24 | raf256[laptop] | but |
| 22:40.29 | raf256[laptop] | it is in deutch or neadrlands |
| 22:40.33 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Do it with the hand '/etc/init.d/kdm restart' as root user |
| 22:40.45 | dn3 | raf its i386 ? |
| 22:40.54 | raf256[laptop] | dn3: 450 pentium II |
| 22:40.55 | King_Andy | dvm1981 i did CTL ALT DEL and it logged me off, and i logged back on |
| 22:41.04 | chuckyp | raf256[laptop], if its that old you may not be able to. |
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| 22:41.12 | dn3 | raf256 so whats the problem ? :) |
| 22:41.18 | dn3 | raf256 its super machine |
| 22:41.26 | raf256[laptop] | chuckyp: well it MUST boot from either CD *or* flopy I hope |
| 22:41.29 | chuckyp | raf256[laptop], but there should still be a boot sequence listed in there somewhere to atleast choose the floppy if boot to cd isn't supported. |
| 22:41.37 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: in 1024? |
| 22:41.46 | raf256[laptop] | I dunno the bios is all in neaderlandian language |
| 22:41.55 | raf256[laptop] | I think it can't boot from CD.. |
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| 22:42.03 | raf256[laptop] | I hope it can from fd |
| 22:42.27 | yggdrasil | kernels gonna take hours to compile on this p160 hahah |
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| 22:42.46 | raf256[laptop] | yggdrasil: if not a day.. why not compile on other box |
| 22:42.53 | King_Andy | dvm1981 it doesnt feel like its in 1024...and the option still isnt in configure desktop for KDE |
| 22:42.55 | dn3 | i can do everything at Intel Pentium 75 |
| 22:42.56 | dn3 | :) |
| 22:43.00 | yggdrasil | raf i didnt know i could do that .. |
| 22:43.01 | yggdrasil | hmmm |
| 22:43.12 | yggdrasil | you learn stuff everyday in here huh |
| 22:43.31 | rav | hello. I installed debian on a HP ze2000, and everything is working well, except my soundcard |
| 22:43.57 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Ok, copy you're file 'cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4_800' and change it by the hand |
| 22:43.57 | dn3 | rav show us lspci |
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| 22:44.01 | Xteven | would anyone happen to know where I can get an lirc-modules-source package for unstable that will work against a kernel >= 2.6.14 ? |
| 22:44.05 | dn3 | rav lspci |
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| 22:44.20 | dn3 | rav lspci | grep -i audio, or cat /dev/pci | grep -i audio |
| 22:44.28 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 22:44.32 | King_Andy | okay |
| 22:44.53 | rav | should i just paste all this in here? |
| 22:45.06 | abrotman | !paste |
| 22:45.06 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:45.09 | dn3 | rav it will be one line |
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| 22:45.26 | dn3 | raf why dont you install system at this HD in another PC ? |
| 22:45.42 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Not forget to read good the top of that file! |
| 22:46.05 | rav | 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4370 (rev 02) |
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| 22:46.41 | dn3 | rav witch kernel do you have 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 22:46.46 | rav | 2.6 |
| 22:46.51 | bubba | Okay I just installed my NETGEAR 108 Mbps Wireless PCI Adapter WG311T |
| 22:46.51 | bubba | or Marvell Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller |
| 22:47.04 | bubba | now how do i let debian know i gave it a card? |
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| 22:47.20 | wols_ | bubba: you load the driver for it |
| 22:47.27 | King_Andy | dvm1981 i typed in cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4_800 and nothing happened |
| 22:47.32 | rav | basically all my lspci says ATI.... unknown, except for the wireless card and the ethernet card |
| 22:47.41 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: As root user? |
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| 22:47.57 | King_Andy | yes |
| 22:47.58 | bubba | wols_: I have a lan connection, Is there a way I can download it? Will it be compatable? |
| 22:48.23 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: 'cd /etc/X11/' and look that it's been created |
| 22:48.36 | wols_ | I don't know. don't have either of those devices |
| 22:48.47 | wols_ | heck google if there is a driver first. then download it |
| 22:48.48 | King_Andy | i think it has |
| 22:48.56 | wols_ | if you need to download something, chances are you have to compile it |
| 22:49.11 | bubba | uh oh.. |
| 22:49.17 | King_Andy | it shows now debian:/etc/X11# |
| 22:49.21 | bubba | can you walk me through this? |
| 22:49.26 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: It has or not, if hi is there, it's done, else not |
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| 22:50.15 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: cp is the command to copy an file source to dest |
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| 22:50.53 | jbreiden | Doe anyone keep an archive of all the .debs ever in unstable (including old versions)? |
| 22:51.09 | streuner | jbreiden: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 22:51.10 | beardy | yggdrasil: No, just install a stock kernel. 'aptitude install kernel-image-2.6' |
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| 22:51.16 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: So you have a copy of that file (backup)? |
| 22:51.18 | deadcat | !archive |
| 22:51.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive, or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 22:51.38 | bubba | wols_: is there any chance that maybe debian/linux already installed the driver for my wlan card? can linux do that? |
| 22:51.44 | raf256[laptop] | omfg |
| 22:51.49 | bubba | wols: plug+play type of deal? |
| 22:51.53 | King_Andy | lol dvm1981 i dont know |
| 22:51.58 | raf256[laptop] | I cant get this piece of shit to boot from floppy |
| 22:52.06 | ruzgar | does any know know that how can i go back when installing |
| 22:52.19 | King_Andy | im a little lost, just a little lost, i tped in cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4_800 again and nothing happened...again |
| 22:52.19 | ruzgar | sometimes there is no back buttons in the window |
| 22:52.35 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Open an console, then 'cd /etc/X11' and see if the file is been there |
| 22:52.37 | bubba | "does any know know that how can i go" -Dr. Seuss |
| 22:52.39 | raf256[laptop] | there isnt no install-debian-from-within-windows by any chance |
| 22:52.47 | jbreiden | streuner: thanks |
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| 22:53.11 | rav | dn3: how can i create the sound device? |
| 22:53.17 | King_Andy | want me to put what i see in pastebin? |
| 22:53.18 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: Why can't you boot a floppy? |
| 22:53.27 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: What happens? |
| 22:53.29 | raf256[laptop] | beardy: bios just goes to boot windoze |
| 22:53.29 | King_Andy | dvm1981 want me to put what i see in pastebin? |
| 22:53.41 | dn3 | rav you just need to load right sound module |
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| 22:53.52 | dn3 | rav witch kernel do you have 2.4 or 2.6? uname -a |
| 22:53.53 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: Configure the boot order in your BIOS then, put floppy first. |
| 22:54.04 | rav | kernel 2.6 |
| 22:54.05 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: See you a file XF86Config-4_800 ? |
| 22:54.15 | raf256[laptop] | beardy: my damned bios is in nitherlands language |
| 22:54.18 | dn3 | rav would be more easy |
| 22:54.34 | Azar | ruzgar: if you install in console mode you can stop the installation to do something you need: Ctrl Alt F2. Login as root /edit or do what you need then when finished press Ctrl Alt F1 to return to installation screen |
| 22:54.41 | pzn | Hi! I don't want "iptables -j LOG" messages to go to console, just to logfiles. I tried to edit /etc/syslog.conf but no success... does anyone have a hint? |
| 22:54.46 | raf256[laptop] | and im not shure it allowsthat |
| 22:54.58 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: That's no excuse. You still have to do it, so figure it out. |
| 22:55.03 | King_Andy | dvm1981 http://pastebin.ca/43439 |
| 22:55.04 | rav | dn3 what would be more easy? |
| 22:55.06 | raf256[laptop] | pzn: try syslog config |
| 22:55.11 | King_Andy | dvm1981 thats all i see |
| 22:55.13 | dn3 | rav than 2.4 |
| 22:55.14 | ruzgar | Azar i dont mean that |
| 22:55.16 | Azar | pzn it should go to /var/log/auth.log or any file you specially create in /var/log |
| 22:55.21 | raf256[laptop] | beardy: I think that bios doesn allow that |
| 22:55.30 | raf256[laptop] | its very weired |
| 22:55.30 | ruzgar | for example in a packet install i choose a wrong option |
| 22:55.39 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: I think it does. |
| 22:55.46 | Azar | ruzgar you want to revisit the setup process? |
| 22:55.47 | ruzgar | than i want to go back the options window to reselect |
| 22:55.53 | ruzgar | no |
| 22:56.00 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Sorry man, i forget, you're a new man here in a great world! |
| 22:56.00 | ruzgar | for example the install have 5 steps |
| 22:56.01 | Azar | oh sorry then I do not know how |
| 22:56.07 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: 'ls -lh' |
| 22:56.11 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: Why isn't it in english, what laptop is that? |
| 22:56.20 | ruzgar | thanks anyway |
| 22:56.22 | raf256[laptop] | its not a laptop |
| 22:56.28 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: What box is that? |
| 22:56.33 | King_Andy | dvm1981 yes i see it now |
| 22:56.37 | raf256[laptop] | 450 mhz pentium II |
| 22:56.41 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: ls is to view the content |
| 22:56.45 | rav | dn3 everything seems in order, except that the sound server gives an error, reading "couldn't find /dev/" |
| 22:56.49 | King_Andy | dvm1981 want me to post this in pastebin aswell? |
| 22:56.50 | raf256[laptop] | IBM |
| 22:56.58 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: Well, what brand? Must be some branded crap if it's localized? |
| 22:57.14 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: If you like it, but that file is there *_800? |
| 22:57.21 | raf256[laptop] | beardy: it's IBM |
| 22:57.37 | raf256[laptop] | hmm I wonder perhaps I should flash it's bios from within windoze 98 |
| 22:57.38 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: And it's not possible to change language in it? |
| 22:57.41 | raf256[laptop] | to have sane language |
| 22:57.45 | King_Andy | dvm1981 http://pastebin.ca/43441 |
| 22:58.00 | King_Andy | and yes its there |
| 22:58.02 | raf256[laptop] | beardy: well it have like 50 options O_o very verbose bios, I dont see no language setup there |
| 22:58.11 | raf256[laptop] | nor any boot-media option |
| 22:58.30 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Line 10, whe have an backup of that file :-) |
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| 22:58.57 | dn3 | rav meybe this modules will help you snd-atiixp-modem.ko snd-atiixp.ko |
| 22:59.04 | King_Andy | dvm1981 how do we do that? :-p |
| 22:59.05 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: So edit the file by the hand 'nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' |
| 22:59.06 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: Should still be able to figure it out. If not boot, "start" or something then? |
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| 22:59.16 | dn3 | rav modprobe snd-atixp-modem or modprobe snd-atiixp |
| 22:59.47 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: And change the line to somethings similar as that : |
| 22:59.51 | dvm1981 | Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 22:59.55 | King_Andy | ok |
| 22:59.56 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: Check every option, you'll recognice it by the alternatives. |
| 23:00.11 | raf256[laptop] | beardy: yeah... |
| 23:00.15 | raf256[laptop] | Im trying all the time |
| 23:00.29 | pzn | Azar, it goes to /var/log/kern.log as syslog config says. but it also goes to console... |
| 23:00.53 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Before you go on to test it ... |
| 23:01.00 | rav | dn3 ok, now the error message doesn't show, but i press the test button and i still don't hear anything |
| 23:01.13 | King_Andy | dvm1981 http://pastebin.ca/43442 |
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| 23:01.33 | King_Andy | dvm1981 all of them 'modes' places? |
| 23:02.07 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: If there are some troubles and X complain and would not more start wrote down on a paper 'cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4_800 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' as root |
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| 23:02.58 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: If you find the correct bios, you could flash it of course, but that always has a chance of going wrong. |
| 23:03.01 | MrNaz | how would one go about suggesting that the "What is Debian?" section on debian.org got changed? it's most definately NOT marketing friendly and I had LOTS of trouble convincing retarded managers that debian is better than say red hat, which has a professional looking page |
| 23:03.06 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Just under that depth 16 |
| 23:03.14 | King_Andy | ahhh okay thank you |
| 23:03.27 | rav | dn3 i still got the can't find device /dev/dsp/ when i restart the soundserver |
| 23:03.28 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: you not use the 'depth 24' ?? |
| 23:03.44 | beardy | MrNaz: Shiny shit does only that, shine. |
| 23:03.53 | raf256[laptop] | I have a workng win 98 though |
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| 23:03.55 | dn3 | rav is you user have rights to /dev/dsp is in group audio ? |
| 23:03.56 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: look at 'DefaultDepth 24' you have not a line for it!! |
| 23:03.59 | King_Andy | ahhh yes i do |
| 23:04.00 | raf256[laptop] | is there a win32 installer? |
| 23:04.03 | King_Andy | i didnt copy it |
| 23:04.04 | King_Andy | lol |
| 23:04.06 | King_Andy | oops |
| 23:04.11 | dvm1981 | s/line/section |
| 23:04.13 | MrNaz | beardy if only sensibility worked on managers |
| 23:04.15 | raf256[laptop] | like, just to write into MBR, from win32 a commend to "boot from the CD" |
| 23:04.29 | dvm1981 | s/section/subsection |
| 23:04.31 | dvm1981 | oeps |
| 23:04.35 | beardy | MrNaz: But perhaps you could mail the webmaster (very politely), if such a person is named, I'm not sure. |
| 23:04.42 | rav | i'm in as root. but when i go in to /dev/, dsp is not there |
| 23:04.52 | beardy | MrNaz: yeah.. |
| 23:04.54 | MrNaz | and there's no reason that good things *shouldnt* be polished up nicely as well |
| 23:04.54 | King_Andy | dvm1981 yes i do, i just didnt copy it accidently...should i only add 1024x768 to the 24 line? |
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| 23:05.00 | luh | re |
| 23:05.04 | curt | MrNaz, stop by fedora once and see who's online helping people... >5 |
| 23:05.30 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Like the other are not used :-) but you can put it by the others, a bit more work |
| 23:05.33 | pzn | how can I know the ssh fingerprint of the machine I am logged in? (I have root access) |
| 23:05.34 | bubba | Anybody willing to walk me through compileing a driver? |
| 23:05.35 | grendelson | MrNaz, Convince them to let you install Linux! Then tell them you installed redhat - Install Debian - who'd know? :-) |
| 23:05.39 | MrNaz | curt i'm here because i use debian and i prefer it... and i'd like to keep it that way by convincing those i work for to use it too |
| 23:05.41 | luh | I'm totally lost - i've tryed to install tagpy - didn't work, as well as pyid and pyid3lib (as sources) - because i need them for python2.4 - btw i'm using sarge |
| 23:05.41 | beardy | MrNaz: No, but I'm not sure I'll agree that their page is "nice" in any way, I'll check. |
| 23:05.46 | luh | anyone ideas? |
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| 23:06.05 | King_Andy | dvm1981 i added that to the "24" modes area |
| 23:06.07 | King_Andy | now what |
| 23:06.09 | digitalfox | does Debian Sarge use kernel 2.4 by default? |
| 23:06.19 | beardy | digitalfox: No, your choice. |
| 23:06.19 | MrNaz | grendelson the sycophantic pimplefaces management hires to keep tabs on eveyone |
| 23:06.27 | digitalfox | beardy: so it'll prompt me during install? |
| 23:06.33 | peritus | no |
| 23:06.38 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: And now restarting 'gdm' or 'kdm' |
| 23:06.40 | _rene_ | no. if will use 2.4 per default |
| 23:06.43 | digitalfox | okay |
| 23:06.48 | beardy | digitalfox: No, if you hit Enter, 2.4 it is. Type linux26 at the boot prompt. |
| 23:06.48 | chealer | digitalfox: yes, on most architectures |
| 23:06.50 | _rene_ | use linux26 at the prompt if you want 2.6 |
| 23:06.50 | ice_1963 | in sarge |
| 23:06.52 | digitalfox | but you can install 2.6 from a package afterwards? |
| 23:06.53 | digitalfox | ahhh |
| 23:06.53 | digitalfox | okay |
| 23:07.00 | digitalfox | I need 2.4 so that works out |
| 23:07.04 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: '/etc/init.d/gdm restart' |
| 23:07.05 | _rene_ | only on some archs 2.6 is default. not in i386 |
| 23:07.07 | King_Andy | dvm1981 wait |
| 23:07.08 | King_Andy | lol |
| 23:07.18 | dvm1981 | coffee :-) |
| 23:07.25 | MrNaz | beardy it looks more "corporate" while the debian page just looks more like a hobby project... managers only see "how much would this web site have cost" when they evaluate things |
| 23:07.35 | King_Andy | dvm1981 how do i save or whatever what i just did? |
| 23:07.49 | ice_1963 | i got my coffee |
| 23:07.54 | luh | please - can someone help me? |
| 23:08.02 | peritus | digitalfox: you can boot the installer with linux26 at the boot prompt, otherwise you will get 2.4. if you want, you can install 2.6 afterwards easily |
| 23:08.04 | dvm1981 | trying to make it :-/ |
| 23:08.09 | digitalfox | *nods* okay |
| 23:08.13 | digitalfox | thanks guys |
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| 23:08.17 | digitalfox | awesome distro btw :) |
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| 23:08.23 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: CTRL+X |
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| 23:08.34 | grendelson | No doubt about it Redhat website is as fancy as M$ winders. BUt you get what you pay for :-) Any linux is better than none. Install all you test, dev, apps, personal workstations as Debian - let the suits PAY FOR commercial licenses of redhat it's linux.... |
| 23:08.37 | King_Andy | okay |
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| 23:09.24 | `Rage | hey, anyone know what would cause this message when su'ing? configuration error - unknown item 'FAIL_DELAY' (notify administrator) |
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| 23:09.34 | King_Andy | dvm1981, i still get an error msg on the /etc/init.d/gdm restart....should i just CTRL ALT DEL? |
| 23:09.35 | dn3 | rav i dont know what is soundserver :) but i change voice by mp3blaster/ apt-get install mp3blaster and operate by < > / - + |
| 23:09.47 | grendelson | Redaht - publicly traded compacy with Commercial products marketed to large budget corporations. Debian used by millions of linux fans - users- every other behind the scenes linux skunkworks install (run silent run deep) |
| 23:09.59 | beardy | MrNaz: That's just plain wrong and fucked up, but yes, I understand that that is what they do. Well, put together a page that would appeal to such people, and after that, find someone responsible for debian.org's pages, and show it to them, suggest it be used, or put up as a "For corporations(with stupid as hell managers)" ? |
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| 23:10.07 | MrNaz | grendelson yeap... there's no need to pay for fancy web sites... i'm sure there's a web designer out there who'd be happy to redo it for $0 as long as his name went on the bottom of the page hehe |
| 23:10.32 | Frem | Hey, I'm trying to get the "Fany Beeper Daemon" (http://www.carcosa.net/jason/software/beep/) working, but it keeps telling me I can't open the /dev/dsp device? |
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| 23:10.58 | rav | dn3 thanks. i think what happened is that the distro installed counting on that the soundcard would be autodetected |
| 23:11.01 | King_Andy | dvm1981, i still get an error msg on the /etc/init.d/gdm restart....should i just CTRL ALT DEL? |
| 23:11.22 | Azar | luh, sarge comes with its bunch of packages, if apt cannot find your package, means that sarge does not provide it |
| 23:11.26 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: How so an erro, presise |
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| 23:12.08 | beardy | MrNaz: What's the url to that site your managers thought looked so nice? |
| 23:12.10 | King_Andy | dvm1981 http://pastebin.ca/43445 |
| 23:12.11 | dn3 | rav sometimes i test servers by knoppix to show witch drivers server will take |
| 23:12.47 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Replace gdm with kdm |
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| 23:13.03 | MrNaz | beardy my managers havent looked at anything yet, i was just making a suggestion... i *am* a manager and i know how they think when they have no knowledge on a topic |
| 23:13.11 | Dacu | kdm is nicer |
| 23:13.36 | bubba | can someone point me to something that takes me through how to get a wireless card up/running on debian-linux, step-by-step |
| 23:13.44 | King_Andy | dvm1981 same error msg, but kdm instead of gdm |
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| 23:13.58 | dn3 | bubba witch card do you have? |
| 23:13.58 | dvm1981 | !tell ndiswrapper |
| 23:14.04 | MrNaz | i know that when im looking for the services of a company for, say, accounting services, which i have 0 ability to actually evaluate myself, i look at things like their professionalism and presentation to gauge how serious they are about what they do |
| 23:14.04 | MatBoy|Away | bubba, what kind of laptop ? |
| 23:14.07 | dvm1981 | !tell about ndiswrapper |
| 23:14.11 | `Rage | got it, nm, was login.defs |
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| 23:14.23 | rav | dn3 i was using knoppix, liked it so i put debian in. my sndstat just says "no soundcards" |
| 23:14.24 | luh | Azar - right -but i need it - so i thought i could get the sources and use it anyway |
| 23:14.27 | dvm1981 | bubba: ndiswrapper |
| 23:14.36 | mamamia | hello |
| 23:14.39 | bubba | MatBot|Away: Desktop Pc |
| 23:14.49 | Azar | luh you could maybe find a look-alike package just google "packagename" for Debian |
| 23:14.58 | MatBoy|Away | mhhh ok.. I only on laptops :) |
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| 23:15.03 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Right, 'xdm' if you not say what you are using ... But you learn it after |
| 23:15.05 | bubba | MatBot|Away: kk |
| 23:15.08 | Azar | luh: rectify " packagename for Debian Sarge " |
| 23:15.31 | King_Andy | dvm1981 same error msg |
| 23:15.49 | King_Andy | dvm1981 should i just CTRL ALT DEL and log off? |
| 23:15.53 | King_Andy | and log back in? |
| 23:16.00 | Azar | luh, you could get the source and install -- but if that package is buggy or has dependency problems you might experience issues in the future |
| 23:16.11 | dn3 | king_andy ctrl atl + backspace :) |
| 23:16.25 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: No, just restarting x, but need to know what you are using |
| 23:16.34 | dvm1981 | gdm - GNOME Display Manager |
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| 23:16.53 | King_Andy | dvm1981 YAY! |
| 23:16.54 | luh | Azar - there is no tagpy package at all, and the python2.4-id3lib package does not exist for testing, or any other package |
| 23:16.56 | dvm1981 | kdm - KDE Display Manager |
| 23:17.00 | dvm1981 | etc etc ... |
| 23:17.05 | King_Andy | dvm1981 it looks like it worked |
| 23:17.09 | luh | s/package/version of debian |
| 23:17.16 | King_Andy | YES!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:17.18 | King_Andy | it did!!!!!!!!1 |
| 23:17.19 | Azar | luh if you really need that you could go up in sid and wrestle with unstable |
| 23:17.27 | beardy | MrNaz: If you are a manager, speak to the deciding managers in the way they understand, about Debian then. |
| 23:17.32 | Azar | but you get your latest version of python and whatnot |
| 23:17.34 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: 1024? |
| 23:17.46 | luh | Azar, ? do you mean trying out a package from sid? |
| 23:17.52 | mamamia | im sorry the question but ... why the debian don make the upgrade to the kernel 2.6.15.4 ? |
| 23:18.04 | mamamia | in the ports and keep install the last 2.4 |
| 23:18.07 | SlayerXP | mamamia: you're free to use any kernel you like |
| 23:18.09 | King_Andy | dvm1981 yes sir! :) :) :) |
| 23:18.19 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: NICE! :-) |
| 23:18.20 | beardy | mamamia: what SlayerXP said |
| 23:18.24 | Azar | luh no, I mean if you want packages not supported in Sarge or TEsting you can force them down Debian Sid's throat then start coughing |
| 23:18.27 | mamamia | SlayerXP well i new in this i never install any kernel ... |
| 23:18.27 | King_Andy | :) |
| 23:18.32 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: oef |
| 23:18.42 | mamamia | so ... i can go the the kernel.org and make myself the update is that? |
| 23:18.46 | luh | Azar, - the package i need does not exist |
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| 23:18.58 | luh | it was taken out of sarge, sid, testing, experimental |
| 23:19.01 | Azar | luh then ask god for another Operating System |
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| 23:19.04 | beardy | mamamia: If you're "new at this" why bother to use bleeding edge kernels? |
| 23:19.12 | nvz | its crazy how there are like 3 decades worth of most of these cartoons and I've just about seen them all 10 times over |
| 23:19.26 | luh | Azar - i've just gotten told that it was god way to say that i should stop pirate copying music ;) |
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| 23:19.30 | mamamia | beardy well because i organized ... and i making one radical migration |
| 23:19.35 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: But you need to read the top again of that file '/etc/X11/XF86Config-4' because we have edit it be the hand. |
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| 23:19.46 | shining | does anyone know a repo with voip softwares, like the ones there : http://help.nceas.ucsb.edu/index.php/Talk:NCEAS_Video_Conferencing |
| 23:19.50 | Azar | luh if you need to pirate music, switch to mswindows |
| 23:19.58 | ice_1963 | i have all 14 cd's of sarge |
| 23:20.12 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: What i can suggest, is make a copy of that good one now 'cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4_1024x768' |
| 23:20.13 | chealer | shining: any Debian mirror |
| 23:20.23 | shining | chealer: hmm? |
| 23:20.24 | beardy | ice_1963: How nice, now you knwo what to put in your christmas three. |
| 23:20.29 | mamamia | well i think is not bad have the software updated :x never make bad to anyone i think |
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| 23:20.45 | shining | chealer: debian has none of these |
| 23:20.51 | beardy | !nss syndrome |
| 23:20.55 | chealer | shining: any current Debian mirror should have VoIP software |
| 23:20.59 | shining | maybe gnomemeeting |
| 23:21.03 | raf256[laptop] | damn |
| 23:21.06 | shining | chealer: which ones? |
| 23:21.06 | raf256[laptop] | ok I founded out |
| 23:21.12 | raf256[laptop] | it seems the system boots floppy |
| 23:21.12 | mzilikazi | anyone else had the misfortune of having your mail rejected by roadrunner mail servers becasue your i.p. was on the DUL? |
| 23:21.15 | King_Andy | dvm1981 ... do you think you could help me link my KDE to my windows FAT32 formatted 20GB HDD with all my music on it? |
| 23:21.16 | raf256[laptop] | only if there is no OS on hdd |
| 23:21.21 | luh | Azar, - that was a joke |
| 23:21.25 | luh | and has nothing to do with it |
| 23:21.28 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: No problem :-) |
| 23:21.33 | King_Andy | yay! |
| 23:21.39 | luh | if i would want to copy music (which is not the case) - i'd go for some mldonkey or so |
| 23:21.45 | Azar | luh :) ok now you at least learned something |
| 23:21.51 | luh | i want to write an application and need it for that |
| 23:22.00 | beardy | !sns syndrome |
| 23:22.00 | dpkg | sns syndrome is, like, a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 23:22.00 | chealer | shining: $ apt-cache search voip |
| 23:22.08 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Read the file '/etc/fstab' |
| 23:22.12 | shining | I tried that |
| 23:22.24 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Also 'man fstab' not to forget! |
| 23:22.34 | beardy | yggdrasil: Hows it going? Installed a 2.6 kernel? |
| 23:22.39 | luh | (azar - to be even more exact - i'm rewriting smit (www.gac.edu/~vhailper/projects/smit ) in python - because python is more the language for that kind of program |
| 23:22.57 | luh | whois Azar |
| 23:22.58 | King_Andy | dvm1981 "permission denied" for /etc/fstab |
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| 23:23.07 | Azar | who else? me |
| 23:23.08 | raf256[laptop] | how to make a copy (cp -ar) of entire /home onto other box'es ssh account (like in scp)? |
| 23:23.09 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: As root user! |
| 23:23.12 | ice_1963 | beardy:that's not where i put them :0) |
| 23:23.15 | Azar | nice you keeping busy luh |
| 23:23.19 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Is a system config file! |
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| 23:23.30 | Azar | yggdrasil: is installing 2.6 kernel -- again -- ? |
| 23:23.37 | Azar | :) |
| 23:23.50 | King_Andy | dvm1981 even as root i get that msg |
| 23:23.57 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: '/etc/' are config files. You need to login as root to modify important files |
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| 23:24.13 | stew | raf256[laptop]: use rsync -a |
| 23:24.22 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: 'nano /etc/fstab' |
| 23:24.24 | yalu | hi. if I were to run/try an ERP system just to get used to the concept "erp program", which program would be recommended to try? |
| 23:24.33 | luh | Azar, yeah - but i have to switch to another system if i can't use the libs i need - though i don't want to - i like debian (if it's not about the recentness of packages) |
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| 23:24.54 | King_Andy | dvm1981 okay, that worked |
| 23:25.02 | Azar | yalu: whatever ERP is |
| 23:25.10 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: You forget to use and text editor :-/ |
| 23:25.18 | dvm1981 | s/and/an |
| 23:25.24 | raf256[laptop] | stew: I have access to ssh, I log via: ssh -p 1234 foo@bar how to dump entire /home to that account's ~/dump/ ? |
| 23:25.26 | curt | luh see /msg dpkg backports |
| 23:25.30 | Azar | luh I have no idea of python I do not like net-related languages |
| 23:25.37 | mamamia | beardy SlayerXP many thanks i will leave it this like normal thanks |
| 23:25.41 | curt | luh maybe they have ehat you need |
| 23:25.43 | raf256[laptop] | stew: or better yet to foo@bar:~/home.tgz |
| 23:25.50 | yalu | Azar: it means "entreprise resource planning" |
| 23:25.52 | beardy | ice_1963: ;) You know about netinstall? |
| 23:25.52 | luh | curt - i've looked for backports but can't find any |
| 23:25.58 | resiak | Azar: "Net relate"? |
| 23:26.04 | luh | apt-get.org and backports.org |
| 23:26.07 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Okay, open a new console. Then try to find out wich device is used for that other partition 'cfdisk' |
| 23:26.13 | Azar | yalu, that is something new in Debian, never heard of that |
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| 23:26.23 | Andy298 | how can i start apache on startup? |
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| 23:26.31 | Andy298 | i want to run the command apache2ctl start |
| 23:26.37 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Example: hda8 Logical W95 FAT32 |
| 23:26.37 | beardy | Andy298: It's already done. |
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| 23:26.38 | luh | Azar, net-related languages? meaning most script languages? |
| 23:26.38 | yalu | I tried tiny-erp (is in debian!) but I can't actually figure out how it works |
| 23:26.55 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: So i need not to forget 'hda8' |
| 23:26.55 | Andy298 | it isn't :( |
| 23:27.13 | beardy | Andy298: Then you aren't using the package. |
| 23:27.13 | Azar | luh I assume you do not use python to create a new operating system .. |
| 23:27.15 | King_Andy | dvm1981, it shows me only my 10GB hard drive |
| 23:27.19 | King_Andy | not my 20 GB |
| 23:27.37 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Moment, i look for an other trick |
| 23:27.37 | luh | no - but script languages are not only good for internet related stuff |
| 23:27.43 | Azar | ok I mean as opposed to machine-based languages |
| 23:27.48 | King_Andy | dvm1981 okay |
| 23:27.59 | luh | and there is more between writing an os and a net-application |
| 23:28.02 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: nano /proc/partitions |
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| 23:28.34 | Andy298 | beardy: so how can i just add the command to the startup? |
| 23:28.42 | redphoenix1 | ok im back i fixed the problem |
| 23:28.45 | redphoenix1 | but i have a new 1 |
| 23:28.49 | beardy | Andy298: What Apache are you running? |
| 23:28.51 | redphoenix1 | how do i turn off ext_attr |
| 23:28.57 | beardy | Andy298: How did you install it? |
| 23:29.09 | redphoenix1 | i think that is the feature parted does not like |
| 23:29.09 | Andy298 | its from a 3rd party install |
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| 23:29.17 | beardy | Andy298: Why? |
| 23:29.19 | dvm1981 | karamba |
| 23:29.20 | resiak | redphoenix1: edit /etc/fstab and remove that option |
| 23:29.25 | redphoenix1 | its not there |
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| 23:29.32 | resiak | What FS are you using? |
| 23:29.34 | King_Andy | dvm1981 http://pastebin.ca/43447 |
| 23:29.40 | beardy | Andy298: And at least say what "3rd party install" |
| 23:29.51 | redphoenix1 | i took user_xattr and it is still there 2 |
| 23:29.52 | King_Andy | dvm1981 thats the nano /proc/partitions |
| 23:30.16 | resiak | redphoenix1: You haven't remounted the disks since then |
| 23:30.17 | chealer | shining: so what's the problem? |
| 23:30.22 | redphoenix1 | i have |
| 23:30.28 | redphoenix1 | twice and a reboot |
| 23:30.33 | stew | raf256[laptop]: you want to copy files on a remote host to a local host? or from a local host to a remote host? or on a remote host to somewhere else on the same remote host? |
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| 23:31.05 | resiak | redphoenix1: You can set these kinds of options within the filesystem itself, but I cannot remember how. man tune2fs, maybe |
| 23:31.17 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: I not understand that :-/ |
| 23:31.29 | redphoenix1 | after tune2fs do i have to remount the partition? |
| 23:31.34 | King_Andy | dvm1981 neither do i |
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| 23:31.59 | raf256[laptop] | stew: I want to backup /home from local host to remote host via ssh, I would normally do tar -czf h.tgz home and then scp -p 1234 ./h.tgz foo@bar:~/h.tgz but there is no room for placing backup file locally, so it must be outputed directly to remote host, via scp or ssh (I dont want to use NFS) |
| 23:32.01 | dvm1981 | Could someone check the pastebin of King_Andy? To figure out what are the other device to add it in fstab |
| 23:32.11 | chuckyp | hold up |
| 23:32.23 | King_Andy | http://pastebin.ca/43447 is the link |
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| 23:32.42 | dvm1981 | What is 'ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1' in the output of '/etc/fstab'? |
| 23:32.52 | dvm1981 | lvm? |
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| 23:33.38 | sm00f | could somoen reommend a solution to remote log viewing, im looking to use ssh, and basically tail -f a log file, but im looking for an automated solution? any recommendations? |
| 23:34.24 | resiak | sm00f: logwatch? |
| 23:34.26 | dvm1981 | sm00f: You can centralis all the logs on one system. I not know how |
| 23:34.29 | redphoenix1 | arg its still there after i tryed to turn it off and a remount |
| 23:34.34 | drasko | how to check if I am in audio group? |
| 23:34.43 | raf256[laptop] | sm00f: you can configure syslogd to send files to other box via UPT, read man |
| 23:34.47 | tarzeau | drasko: id |
| 23:34.48 | dvm1981 | s/centralis/centralize |
| 23:34.54 | raf256[laptop] | drasko: group |
| 23:34.56 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:34.56 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 23:35.14 | RobBarton | Is cyrus-sasl named something else? |
| 23:35.25 | sm00f | raf256[laptop], im on my laptop hoping to remotely move around and have the logs of my server at home populate on my desktop |
| 23:35.38 | raf256[laptop] | what is the minimum size of HDD for debian sever? how much for /usr, how much for /var |
| 23:35.40 | Azar | tarzeau I subscribed but I don't have e-mail |
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| 23:35.56 | tarzeau | Azar: dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest and use http submit? |
| 23:36.00 | tarzeau | Azar: which version of it do you have? |
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| 23:36.05 | stew | raf256[laptop]: you want somehting like "tar czf - /home | ssh foo@bar cat \> /home/foo/h.tgz" |
| 23:36.06 | psychonate | goddamn, why does diablo II keep freezing arbitrarily :( |
| 23:36.19 | Azar | tarzeau http from apt sources or just login there via http? |
| 23:36.29 | RobBarton | I mean, in apt, did they rename cyrus-sasl? I need it (or something similar) for postfix authentication. |
| 23:36.31 | tarzeau | Azar: are we talking the same, like popcon? |
| 23:36.41 | Azar | popularity contest |
| 23:36.44 | drasko | Hmm, I am present in audio group, but can not hear gnome sounds... |
| 23:36.47 | drasko | Why? |
| 23:36.53 | tarzeau | Azar: on stable it won't work, you need the one from www.backports.org |
| 23:37.02 | Azar | ew shame |
| 23:37.20 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Are you there? |
| 23:37.28 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Can we continue? |
| 23:37.42 | King_Andy | im here |
| 23:37.50 | Azar | cuz I got one of the best, stable, clean and uber running Debian Sarge |
| 23:37.55 | drasko | Anyone, how to enable gnome sounds? |
| 23:37.55 | RobBarton | Because I need to use postfix under SSL. |
| 23:37.56 | wols_ | RobBarton: search for sasl2 |
| 23:38.11 | King_Andy | but i dont know whats what on that list that i posted on pastebin |
| 23:38.25 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: You must add somethings in '/etc/fstab', open it in a console with nano |
| 23:38.32 | raf256[laptop] | omfg |
| 23:38.38 | raf256[laptop] | my 450 hz server box is amazing |
| 23:38.42 | Azar | all bells , whistles, music and games, open office n stuff....only on less than 2GB = 2% of my whole HD |
| 23:38.52 | raf256[laptop] | i CAN'T hear at all is it turned on or off, its so quier |
| 23:39.12 | drasko | How to enable gnome sounds? |
| 23:39.14 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: You use lvm |
| 23:39.38 | King_Andy | dvm1981 i put 'nano /etc/fstab" |
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| 23:39.56 | King_Andy | brought me to a different screen, want me to pastebin that? |
| 23:40.04 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: And open another console 'nano /proc/partitions' |
| 23:40.14 | dvm1981 | Yep |
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| 23:41.40 | King_Andy | http://pastebin.ca/43449 |
| 23:41.41 | King_Andy | dvm1981 that list of things i put on postbin that you dont know is 'nano /proc/partitions' |
| 23:41.50 | maebmij | Hi guys. Is there a way to watch what files a particular process has open? |
| 23:41.51 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Can you also paste the output of 'mount' like i not use lvm. |
| 23:42.08 | wols_ | maebmij: lsof |
| 23:42.08 | King_Andy | dvm1981 i dont know what you mean |
| 23:42.09 | evilbulgarian | hi, how do i compile something that only has a config.m4? |
| 23:42.20 | resiak | evilbulgarian: ./autogen.sh? |
| 23:42.24 | eyeris | Amarok complains that the Xine engine cannot play MP3 files. Yet GXine plays them fine. I've installed the codec via http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs. What am I doing wrong? |
| 23:42.36 | eyeris | Oh, this is Debian/unstable |
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| 23:42.48 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: lvm? |
| 23:42.52 | evilbulgarian | resiak: only has a config.m4 in that dir |
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| 23:42.59 | resiak | evilbulgarian: I see |
| 23:43.03 | dvm1981 | !tell King_Andy about lvm |
| 23:43.03 | astronut | evilbulgarian: source code? |
| 23:43.12 | evilbulgarian | astronut: yes |
| 23:43.19 | astronut | evilbulgarian: ok, you said "only" |
| 23:43.25 | rue_mohr | e2fsproga dependency loop, cant find the SOLUTION on google :) |
| 23:43.30 | rue_mohr | help |
| 23:43.36 | stew | rue_mohr: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 23:43.47 | evilbulgarian | astronut: well it doesnt have make file or anything else is not source |
| 23:44.02 | maebmij | wols_, thanks... just have to wade through the scary-looking man page now :) |
| 23:44.05 | drasko | mp3 works, alsao does gnome-sound-properties, I can hear sounds then (which are available in Gnome). But where to enable sounds to hear them allways, like on loggoing in? |
| 23:44.25 | wols_ | maebmij: lsof|grep <processname> |
| 23:44.26 | rue_mohr | wrong answer apt |
| 23:44.30 | wols_ | grep is a wonderful tool |
| 23:44.46 | rue_mohr | the answer involves force |
| 23:44.47 | astronut | dpkg is back |
| 23:44.48 | wols_ | rue_mohr: what does it depend on? |
| 23:44.51 | wols_ | the look I mean |
| 23:44.52 | astronut | !sabbatical |
| 23:45.01 | wols_ | *loop |
| 23:45.07 | astronut | guess not |
| 23:45.09 | astronut | !badger |
| 23:45.09 | dpkg | badger is, like, bar baz quuz thump |
| 23:45.13 | rue_mohr | erm |
| 23:45.15 | astronut | hmm...there he goes |
| 23:45.29 | malex | !freenx |
| 23:45.30 | dpkg | [freenx] a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 23:45.30 | drasko | mp3 works, alsao does gnome-sound-properties, I can hear sounds then (which are available in Gnome). But where to enable sounds to hear them allways, like on loggoing in? |
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| 23:45.32 | rue_mohr | I want to install *anything* and e2fsprogs is blocking me |
| 23:45.41 | rue_mohr | cause it cant be temporarily removed |
| 23:45.49 | wols_ | rue_mohr: paste the output of apt in a pastebin |
| 23:45.58 | malex | The source line for the etch/side pacakges for freenx is not functional. Does anyone know the current repository's address? |
| 23:46.01 | wols_ | why do you want to remove it? |
| 23:46.12 | rue_mohr | I dont |
| 23:46.40 | rue_mohr | apt does, so it can upgrade it |
| 23:46.41 | rue_mohr | everyone should know about this problem by now |
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| 23:46.42 | rue_mohr | I just want the apt command line to fix it |
| 23:46.53 | rue_mohr | its on a web page |
| 23:47.05 | rue_mohr | thats listed by google, I just cant find it |
| 23:47.21 | King_Andy | dvm1981 how do i get lvm? |
| 23:47.30 | wols_ | since you obviously know better what the problem is than us, you can fix it yourself I guess |
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| 23:47.47 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: That have you already! |
| 23:48.00 | King_Andy | i am at the site |
| 23:48.03 | King_Andy | thats all |
| 23:48.07 | maebmij | wols_, that's nearly there; I guess what I'm looking for is a 'live' output, so if my process opens a file and then immediately closes it, I still see it listed. Conceptually something like "tail -f /proc/fileopenclose | grep processname". Any ideas?.. |
| 23:48.18 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Otherwise you other partition is already added in fstab an mounted! |
| 23:48.32 | rue_mohr | gcc and e2fs get into a dependency loop |
| 23:48.33 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Because we have loose there |
| 23:48.41 | rue_mohr | I think I forced my way out of it |
| 23:49.00 | anotherdm | any suggestions as to how long it may be befor etch is available as stable |
| 23:49.04 | wols_ | maebmij: ftrace |
| 23:49.24 | redphoenix1 | ok dump2fs gives me this |
| 23:49.27 | redphoenix1 | Filesystem features: has_journal ext_attr filetype sparse_super large_file |
| 23:49.27 | redphoenix1 | Default mount options: user_xattr |
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| 23:49.36 | rue_mohr | it would be much more useful however if apt gave the solution instead of a descritption of the problem |
| 23:49.36 | anotherdm | my box now hangs during boot to single user on an unrecoverable filesystem error |
| 23:49.46 | rue_mohr | some people dont want to upgrade their whole sytesm |
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| 23:49.53 | redphoenix1 | i tryed to turn it off using tune2fs |
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| 23:50.02 | redphoenix1 | well turn off some of the features |
| 23:50.08 | redphoenix1 | i remount |
| 23:50.11 | redphoenix1 | but its still there |
| 23:50.17 | tam | hi all, stupid question coming...what is the package to view chm files via apache? |
| 23:50.19 | wols_ | anotherdm: boot with a live CD and try to run fsck on the filesystem. good luck! |
| 23:50.20 | tam | i totally forgot it |
| 23:50.56 | King_Andy | dvm1981 i am at the lvm website but i dont know what to do |
| 23:51.09 | redphoenix1 | what can i do? |
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| 23:51.21 | King_Andy | dvm1981 i am at the link that dpkg gave me* |
| 23:51.28 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Nothing, i think,just for info, i not use it :-/ |
| 23:51.36 | King_Andy | ooooh |
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| 23:51.50 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Yes, i have also read a bit, because i not know it :-/ |
| 23:51.58 | brosioz | which is the best cryptographic algorithm? 3des or aes sha512 ? |
| 23:52.39 | redphoenix1 | and when i try to turn off ext_attr |
| 23:52.42 | redphoenix1 | it gives me |
| 23:52.44 | redphoenix1 | Invalid filesystem option set: ext_attr |
| 23:52.48 | blakkino | brosioz, "best" means nothing |
| 23:52.58 | brosioz | the most secure... |
| 23:53.08 | blakkino | 3des is very slow and not very secure |
| 23:53.20 | twobitsprit1 | I'm reading a howto to get my sound card working, and I don't seem to have the cs4232 module... is there a package I need? |
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| 23:53.30 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Whe need to add an entry in '/etc/fstab' |
| 23:53.30 | blakkino | aes is fast but in near future it may became less than 100% secure.. |
| 23:53.35 | wols_ | sha512 is a cryptoalgorithm now? since when? |
| 23:53.42 | blakkino | sha is not to encrypt data |
| 23:53.46 | wols_ | brosioz: I'd use AES or blowfish |
| 23:53.54 | redphoenix1 | hmm now it tells me it needs recovery..... |
| 23:53.57 | King_Andy | dvm1981 okay |
| 23:54.06 | bubba | How come when I run xchat I get '(xchat:1914): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:' |
| 23:54.07 | brosioz | blakkino: so which can i use to encrypt my data ? |
| 23:54.18 | twobitsprit1 | where can I find the cs4232 kernel module? |
| 23:54.20 | King_Andy | dvm1981 so i have 'nano /etc/fstab up |
| 23:54.24 | blakkino | brosioz, anyone has his opinion.. i'm for twofish :) |
| 23:54.29 | King_Andy | dvm1981 now what? |
| 23:54.33 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Moment, i post the mine, for an example |
| 23:54.37 | redphoenix1 | fsck runs fine |
| 23:54.40 | redphoenix1 | so can anyone help? |
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| 23:54.56 | brosioz | dio boe un italiano :D |
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| 23:55.12 | brosioz | incredibile ma vero... |
| 23:55.18 | wols_ | blakkino: why will aes be less secure soon? |
| 23:55.31 | wols_ | !debian-it |
| 23:55.31 | dpkg | [debian-it] Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:55.53 | luite | is it possible to use queueing with ingress qdisc? e.g. not drop it immediately, but queue some types of traffic instead of passing them on immediately to make sure that a set rate is not exceeded? |
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| 23:56.21 | blakkino | wols_, http://www.cryptosystem.net/aes/ |
| 23:56.43 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: http://pastebin.ca/43453 |
| 23:57.02 | maebmij | wols_, thanks! |
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| 23:57.40 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Lines begin with an # are comments |
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| 23:57.53 | redphoenix1 | hello? |
| 23:58.09 | raf256[laptop] | 1,7 GB is ok for debian server? https/nfs/shttp(apache) and few others small... how big make /usr / /boot and /var ? |
| 23:58.28 | Stevie | you could always use lvm |
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| 23:58.39 | raf256[laptop] | hmm LVM you say |
| 23:58.45 | raf256[laptop] | hmm no.. not now |
| 23:58.47 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Now we need what is the device name of the other hard disk or partitions |
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| 23:59.08 | raf256[laptop] | so how big should be /usr for basic server system +https +apache2 +php +mysql +posgresql ? |
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| 23:59.14 | King_Andy | dvm1981 its another hard disk |
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| 23:59.32 | iNAP | hi, i have gnome working, but i can only run on 640 resolution.. im guessing i have to install my graphics driver correct? |
| 23:59.32 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: hdb? |
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