| 00:00.06 | King_Andy | dvm1981 i think so...please dont forget im really not too familiar with linux at all |
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| 00:00.25 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Yes, just. |
| 00:00.52 | abrotman | iNAP: what driver are you using .. and how many resolutions did youpick ? |
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| 00:01.00 | iNAP | i picked 3.. |
| 00:01.05 | iNAP | but i didnt install any driver yet |
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| 00:01.10 | raf256[laptop] | so how big should be /usr for basic server system +https +apache2 +php +mysql +posgresql ??? |
| 00:01.15 | abrotman | iNAP: only pick one .. the one you want |
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| 00:01.22 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: 1000GB |
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| 00:01.30 | TuX_BuBling | hey there |
| 00:01.35 | dvm1981 | abrotman: When using lvm, how we can know what are used as dev? (it's for supporting King_Andy) |
| 00:01.44 | iNAP | well on the list i picked 3 different types, but i can only use 640, its not letting me change. |
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| 00:01.52 | abrotman | dvm1981: huh ? |
| 00:02.12 | abrotman | iNAP: in gnome .. try Desktop->Preferences->Screen Resolution |
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| 00:02.16 | dvm1981 | abrotman: How to know hda, hdb, ... |
| 00:02.23 | TuX_BuBling | got some problems booting hand compiled kernel under debian |
| 00:02.28 | Stevie | abrotman: Got one of them new 1TB drives? |
| 00:02.31 | raf256[laptop] | the red ribon on IDE buss should be on which side? |
| 00:02.38 | iNAP | abrotman: its not letting me choose anything else. |
| 00:02.39 | abrotman | dvm1981: cat /proc/partitions ? |
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| 00:02.52 | King_Andy | abrotman i have a 20GB hard disk that i have formatted as a FAT32 drive for windows...im trying to get that to be recognised in KDE |
| 00:02.53 | iNAP | im stuck on 640x480 |
| 00:02.54 | abrotman | iNAP: what driver did you pick? |
| 00:03.00 | abrotman | Stevie: 5 of them |
| 00:03.01 | iNAP | i didnt pick any driver yet... |
| 00:03.07 | iNAP | i need to install my driver |
| 00:03.08 | iNAP | nvidia |
| 00:03.13 | abrotman | wtf does fat32 have to do with lvm ? |
| 00:03.20 | King_Andy | dunno! |
| 00:03.21 | King_Andy | lol |
| 00:03.22 | redphoenix1 | ok i turned off the mount option |
| 00:03.22 | redphoenix1 | :) |
| 00:03.28 | dvm1981 | abrotman: Right, but that give some strange output |
| 00:03.28 | TuX_BuBling | i compiled a grsec 2.6.14.6 kernel |
| 00:03.31 | abrotman | TuX_BuBling: you'll have to describe more |
| 00:03.37 | TuX_BuBling | yes |
| 00:03.37 | abrotman | dvm1981: fdisk -l /dev/hda ? |
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| 00:03.46 | eheil | hey guys, where do I report portions of the ZSH dev snapshot package that's missing in Etch? b/c it doesn't actually include the zshoptions(1) man page, but clearly, there's refferences to it within the initial configuration menus for new users. |
| 00:03.46 | redphoenix1 | still get his when trying to turn off ext_attr feature |
| 00:03.49 | redphoenix1 | Invalid filesystem option set: ^ext_attr |
| 00:03.52 | TuX_BuBling | i'm on soft raid arrays |
| 00:03.55 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: ^^ read what abrotman say |
| 00:04.00 | bubba | how can i tell every madwifi device I have? |
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| 00:04.12 | TuX_BuBling | the kernel still can't find it |
| 00:04.21 | redphoenix1 | herm |
| 00:04.25 | redphoenix1 | how to fix this |
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| 00:04.28 | TuX_BuBling | not matter i include it |
| 00:04.35 | TuX_BuBling | or compil it as module |
| 00:04.38 | swatikiss | msg dpkg firefox-gnome-support |
| 00:04.45 | swatikiss | firefox |
| 00:04.46 | TuX_BuBling | with initrd |
| 00:04.49 | King_Andy | dvm1981 but should i change it to fdisk -1 /dev/hdb? because i am tring to get my second drive? |
| 00:04.52 | TuX_BuBling | that doesn't work :/ |
| 00:05.02 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Can you paste again the output of '/etc/fstab' :-/ i loose it |
| 00:05.10 | TuX_BuBling | with md and reiserfs builtin |
| 00:05.26 | TuX_BuBling | kernel told me that file system is not reiserfs Oo |
| 00:05.38 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Normally yes |
| 00:05.55 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Or hdc or hdd |
| 00:06.07 | TuX_BuBling | with the two as modules and an initrd it simply don't find my raid devices |
| 00:06.11 | iNAP | watever.. ill work on it tomorrow, im going to sleep. gnite. |
| 00:06.14 | King_Andy | http://pastebin.ca/43461 |
| 00:06.19 | King_Andy | dvm1981 |
| 00:06.21 | dvm1981 | abrotman: Thanks, man |
| 00:06.34 | TuX_BuBling | i even tested the default kernel |
| 00:06.41 | TuX_BuBling | config i mean |
| 00:06.49 | TuX_BuBling | this doesn't work either :/ |
| 00:06.53 | abrotman | dvm1981: for what? |
| 00:06.57 | TuX_BuBling | any idea? |
| 00:07.10 | dvm1981 | abrotman: For the support :-0 |
| 00:07.15 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:07.18 | abrotman | np |
| 00:07.37 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Sorry i missed. I would mean /proc/partions |
| 00:07.43 | King_Andy | ok |
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| 00:07.55 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/hda should show it |
| 00:08.18 | BiRD | BiRD: script test |
| 00:08.32 | redphoenix1 | No Implementation: This ext2 file system has a rather strange layout! Parted |
| 00:08.32 | redphoenix1 | can't resize this (yet). |
| 00:08.40 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: It should be 'hdb', like these is not used and the other 3 one yes |
| 00:08.41 | redphoenix1 | how can i resize this? |
| 00:08.50 | King_Andy | http://pastebin.ca/43462 |
| 00:09.00 | redphoenix1 | i found out how to take off the features but now i get this |
| 00:09.11 | abrotman | the fdisk -l /dev/hda might be more helpful |
| 00:09.22 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: ^^ |
| 00:09.31 | abrotman | BiRD: what script? |
| 00:09.38 | King_Andy | abrotman: even though i am trying to get the second drive recognised? |
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| 00:09.49 | abrotman | King_Andy: ah .. or that one :) |
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| 00:09.56 | abrotman | King_Andy: then it would be /dev/hdb i assume |
| 00:10.07 | dvm1981 | abrotman: I you like it, can you tel me what is the output of King_Andy http://pastebin.ca/43462 |
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| 00:10.17 | dvm1981 | s/I/If |
| 00:10.20 | abrotman | TuX_BuBling: you might get more help in #kernel |
| 00:10.30 | BiRD | abrotman: hIRC but my test didnt work, my name isnt highlighted when u addressed me :P |
| 00:10.31 | TuX_BuBling | not sure |
| 00:10.42 | dvm1981 | abrotman: the part 'ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1' is that lvm? |
| 00:10.42 | TuX_BuBling | i'm used to others distros |
| 00:10.43 | abrotman | King_Andy: what kind of system is that ? |
| 00:10.48 | TuX_BuBling | and these settings worked like a charm |
| 00:10.53 | abrotman | !tell TuX_BuBling about kp |
| 00:11.10 | King_Andy | abrotman im not sure i understand the question... |
| 00:11.14 | raf256[laptop] | CRC error , damned floopies |
| 00:11.18 | abrotman | King_Andy: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 00:11.25 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: takes a while .. keep trying |
| 00:11.42 | BiRD | Makefile.inc:94: Default KERNELPATH notfound, using /usr/src/linux |
| 00:12.23 | BiRD | Makefile.inc:104: *** KERNELPATH: /usr/src/linux does not exist. stop. |
| 00:12.25 | Andy298 | i need to know what to back up incase of a system disaster... |
| 00:12.27 | BiRD | what do these mean? |
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| 00:12.41 | abrotman | BiRD: /usr/src/linux doesn't exist |
| 00:12.43 | King_Andy | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/43463 |
| 00:12.58 | anotherdm | abrotman do you think Etch Testing is ready enough for a workstation user |
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| 00:13.10 | abrotman | King_Andy: that's an L ... not a one :) |
| 00:13.21 | abrotman | anotherdm: been using it on my laptop for a while |
| 00:13.22 | King_Andy | OOOOOOOOH |
| 00:13.23 | King_Andy | :-p |
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| 00:13.38 | BiRD | abrotman: is there a debian equilavent to usr/src/linux that madwifi might be looking for? |
| 00:13.42 | abrotman | King_Andy: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. first is an L .. second is aone |
| 00:13.51 | abrotman | !tell BiRD about madwifi |
| 00:14.11 | dvm1981 | yep |
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| 00:14.20 | anotherdm | abrotman is it behaving? ive got an amd64 3200+ with nvidia chipset |
| 00:14.24 | Rashx | hi @ll |
| 00:14.27 | King_Andy | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/43464 |
| 00:14.56 | abrotman | anotherdm: it's fine afaik . .but i don't use nvidia |
| 00:14.59 | redphoenix1 | hmm i made it into a ext2 partition |
| 00:15.00 | redphoenix1 | but |
| 00:15.09 | redphoenix1 | i cant seem to move the partiton back |
| 00:15.14 | redphoenix1 | is there any way to do this? |
| 00:15.16 | abrotman | King_Andy: all in one paste .. fdisk -l /dev/hda;fdisk -l /dev/hdb |
| 00:15.18 | anotherdm | my box died so im now ready to jump ahead and fine that the line in the sand is just around the corner |
| 00:15.29 | AciD | what should you use to automount usbkey/hd, usbmount or pmount ? |
| 00:15.33 | anotherdm | so to speak |
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| 00:16.01 | redphoenix1 | i removed some partitions that where before this partition and i need to move the partition back |
| 00:16.08 | Andy298 | i need to know what to back up incase of a system disaster... |
| 00:16.18 | TuX_BuBling | !tell me kp mantra |
| 00:16.22 | BiRD | how do I change permissions? :P |
| 00:16.25 | abrotman | !tell TuX_BuBling about kp mantra |
| 00:16.31 | langenberg | how do i login on my linux install? :X |
| 00:16.33 | dvm1981 | Andy298: All things what you need! |
| 00:16.33 | abrotman | TuX_BuBling: or .. /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 00:16.34 | Rashx | help i have problem with a wireless pen |
| 00:16.39 | TuX_BuBling | ok |
| 00:16.48 | TuX_BuBling | this is really non sense |
| 00:16.50 | BiRD | !tell birdmw permissions |
| 00:16.50 | langenberg | When I try to type in my password, I don't see anything happen on the screen |
| 00:16.51 | TuX_BuBling | i hate this |
| 00:17.04 | abrotman | TuX_BuBling: is there a reason you don't want to use the debian kernel? |
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| 00:17.18 | King_Andy | abrotman: here is my post, and i gotta go to the bathroom...be back in a min http://pastebin.ca/43465 |
| 00:17.28 | abrotman | King_Andy: TMI |
| 00:17.34 | dvm1981 | Andy298: '/etc/' config files, '/home/' users file, /var/www/ if webserver. Depending what you need. Best backup all things if you want all |
| 00:17.38 | anotherdm | abrotman I know there is no reason to rush it out the door but do you have an idea on a general estimate of etch being released. i wont hold you or anyone else to it ;^) |
| 00:17.44 | TuX_BuBling | a 2.6.14.6 grsec patched |
| 00:18.02 | abrotman | !tell anotherdm about wwer |
| 00:18.04 | magyar | I need a console command to view the BTS system from local system? can anyone help a brother? |
| 00:18.07 | redphoenix1 | or is there a way to merge partitions if i add 1 to the begining of the drive? |
| 00:18.07 | Andy298 | so if i backed up /etc/ and it needed restoring all my services etc would work? |
| 00:18.25 | abrotman | dvm1981: so what's the problem with King_Andy's partition? |
| 00:18.27 | redphoenix1 | *poke* |
| 00:18.28 | TuX_BuBling | !tell me about make-kpkg |
| 00:18.29 | redphoenix1 | ?? |
| 00:18.51 | abrotman | !unionfs |
| 00:18.54 | dvm1981 | abrotman: Nothings :-/ he want to add it in fstab :-0 |
| 00:18.58 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:19.14 | dvm1981 | Just the ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1 that i not understand :-( |
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| 00:19.52 | abrotman | doesn't matter .. he wants "/dev/hdb1 <some mount pt> vfat defaults,user,noauto 0 0" |
| 00:19.54 | magyar | querybts you unfriendly group of people |
| 00:20.02 | anotherdm | abrotman thanks, thats exactly what I was looking for |
| 00:20.06 | abrotman | magyar: do it yourself! |
| 00:20.10 | magyar | eheehh |
| 00:20.10 | redphoenix1 | hello? |
| 00:20.15 | unix_infidel | anyone know if this netinstall isos are fixed? |
| 00:20.20 | abrotman | redphoenix1: |
| 00:20.22 | dvm1981 | abrotman: Alright :-) thanks |
| 00:20.23 | abrotman | unix_infidel: fixed? |
| 00:20.35 | abrotman | dvm1981: i do the noauto .. but he doesn't have to |
| 00:20.36 | Coke | Hello. I just rebuilt my kernel using make-kpkg and now modprobe gives me "Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter" for some modules that used to work. Why is this? |
| 00:20.37 | redphoenix1 | yes abrotman ? |
| 00:20.37 | unix_infidel | abrotman: i heard they were broken |
| 00:20.44 | magyar | abrotman, what happend to the friendly dpkg bot? |
| 00:20.44 | abrotman | unix_infidel: the beta1 for etch are .. |
| 00:20.48 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 00:20.48 | dpkg | salut |
| 00:20.55 | dvm1981 | abrotman: Ok |
| 00:20.55 | abrotman | magyar: seems friendly to me |
| 00:20.59 | unix_infidel | abrotman: what about beta2? |
| 00:21.03 | King_Andy | [03:09:40] <abrotman> King_Andy: TMI <-- LOL sorry |
| 00:21.06 | unix_infidel | what's the difference? |
| 00:21.11 | redphoenix1 | can u help me abrotman ? |
| 00:21.14 | abrotman | unix_infidel: it's not available yet .. but there are dailys |
| 00:21.16 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:21.16 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:21.31 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Followed what abrotman say? Add that in /etc/fstab |
| 00:21.48 | abrotman | some mount pt =~ /mnt/dos/ or something |
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| 00:21.54 | redphoenix1 | can you help me then ? |
| 00:22.13 | abrotman | redge-: you need to rephrase your question |
| 00:22.33 | King_Andy | dvm1981 let me give it a shot |
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| 00:22.51 | jrwr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.52 | unix_infidel | abrotman: where would i find the netinstall iso from a week or two ago? |
| 00:22.56 | magyar | abrotman, how do you get dpkg to communicate on #debian? |
| 00:23.01 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: A big on, but on the fucking M$ :-/ |
| 00:23.06 | abrotman | magyar: you talk to dpkg |
| 00:23.11 | Tortel | !tell me about blacklist |
| 00:23.12 | abrotman | unix_infidel: they only keep a few days |
| 00:23.21 | magyar | abrotman, roger |
| 00:23.24 | unix_infidel | abrotman: lol, so i cant do a netinstall? |
| 00:23.26 | Tortel | (yes, i know, use /msg) |
| 00:23.33 | unix_infidel | with testing :P |
| 00:23.33 | abrotman | jrwr: base-install . i odn't think so |
| 00:23.37 | abrotman | unix_infidel: why not? |
| 00:23.41 | magyar | dpkg: hi |
| 00:23.41 | dpkg | niihau, magyar |
| 00:23.44 | abrotman | !info ssh sarge |
| 00:23.53 | unix_infidel | abrotman: if all the isos for the current beta one are broken, then.... |
| 00:24.00 | abrotman | unix_infidel: use a daily |
| 00:24.01 | King_Andy | abrotman or dvm1981: what do i do for mount point? |
| 00:24.10 | unix_infidel | abrotman: you mean beta2? |
| 00:24.12 | abrotman | King_Andy: in / .. do you have a /mnt or /mount ? |
| 00:24.15 | abrotman | unix_infidel: NO .. a daily |
| 00:24.29 | King_Andy | no i do no |
| 00:24.32 | King_Andy | not* |
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| 00:24.37 | dvm1981 | L |
| 00:24.40 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Sure? |
| 00:24.45 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 00:24.46 | redphoenix1 | abrotman, can you help me ? |
| 00:24.55 | abrotman | King_Andy: you should .. paste a `ls /` |
| 00:24.58 | King_Andy | haha idk...want another pastebin? :-p |
| 00:25.05 | abrotman | redphoenix1: if you reword your question maybe |
| 00:25.10 | BiRD | dpkg failed me! I almost got madwifi installed but a textual graphic window came up titled _module-assistant, error message_ saying "Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use." Does this mean I have a different kernel version then was expected? Which command tells what kernel is mine? |
| 00:25.17 | dpkg | BiRD: I think you lost me on that one |
| 00:25.29 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH)), section net, is standard. Version: 1:3.8.1p1-8.sarge.4 (sarge), Packaged size: 671 kB, Installed size: 1644 kB |
| 00:25.31 | BiRD | dpkg: no you lost me |
| 00:25.39 | stew | BiRD: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 00:25.45 | tam | apart from a chm viewer what other programs are out there that can extract the contents of a chm file? |
| 00:25.54 | dvm1981 | BiRD: You talk to a bot! |
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| 00:26.04 | anotherdm | hmmmm etch is likely due in Dec 2006 |
| 00:26.06 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 00:26.06 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 00:26.09 | abrotman | anotherdm: hopefully |
| 00:26.21 | jrwr | wiwhat i whant to do is a VERY basic install (no nothing but apt and openssl) |
| 00:26.22 | anotherdm | "likely" ;^) |
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| 00:26.31 | BiRD | well i replaced uname in "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" withm birdmw (myname) |
| 00:26.43 | jrwr | because the box is over seas with a guy that knows almost nothing about linux |
| 00:26.46 | abrotman | BiRD: with what? |
| 00:26.50 | jbrimble | Hi guys - How can i change my sources.list file to download MySQL Server 5.0? |
| 00:26.52 | redphoenix1 | ok i am trying to move a partition back, i removed some partitions before it but now i want the partition that is further up to move back. |
| 00:26.54 | BiRD | dvm1981: now u talk to bot :P |
| 00:26.57 | abrotman | jrwr: you can do it .. it's not much more |
| 00:27.03 | redphoenix1 | can you help me to do this abrotman ? |
| 00:27.04 | jrwr | how |
| 00:27.04 | AciD | jbrimble > dotdeb |
| 00:27.10 | unix_infidel | abrotman: i have the option b/w feb24-26, arch-latest, beta1, or beta2 |
| 00:27.10 | abrotman | jrwr: do a base install .. get internet .. then install ssh .. |
| 00:27.15 | Andy298 | whats the best way to backup / restore? |
| 00:27.15 | BiRD | !tell jbrimble sources.list |
| 00:27.16 | anotherdm | i think if I have to also deal with other people using there own box that I should stick with sarg in as long as others I deal with will primarily be on sarg till at least dec 2006 |
| 00:27.23 | jrwr | what commands to install ssh server |
| 00:27.23 | redphoenix1 | <---english is not my firsr language |
| 00:27.27 | redphoenix1 | first* |
| 00:27.31 | abrotman | unix_infidel: they haven't finished beta2 yet afaik |
| 00:27.47 | abrotman | redphoenix1: so you want to repartition the drive without losing data? |
| 00:27.48 | unix_infidel | abrotman: there are isos there to download though. |
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| 00:27.53 | Daeken | i'm trying to grab the daily build netinst images and they seem to not exist on the server although they're linked from the website. any ideas? |
| 00:28.21 | unix_infidel | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/beta2/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 00:28.21 | abrotman | unix_infidel: then try them .. the webpage hasn't been updated yet |
| 00:28.22 | redphoenix1 | um im trying to move the partition back into the area where the old partitions where |
| 00:28.25 | redphoenix1 | so i guess yes |
| 00:28.28 | anotherdm | unix_infidel i understand that those isos are auto generated weekly |
| 00:28.29 | King_Andy | abrotman or dvm1981 : this is what i have so far...all i need is the mount point which i am clueless to do... http://pastebin.ca/43469 |
| 00:28.48 | Daeken | unix_infidel: great, thanks |
| 00:28.48 | dvm1981 | i take it |
| 00:28.52 | abrotman | King_Andy: ls / |
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| 00:29.00 | BiRD | abrotman: thx I got it working |
| 00:29.05 | unix_infidel | Daeken: ?? |
| 00:29.17 | Daeken | unix_infidel: you answered my question ;) |
| 00:29.20 | unix_infidel | anotherdm: so those should workout ok. |
| 00:29.21 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: You need to post the output of 'ls -l /' |
| 00:29.26 | cla | How do I start a process so that it will still run when I disconnect from the server? |
| 00:29.26 | unix_infidel | n00bs helping n00bs :) |
| 00:29.40 | jrwr | < n00bs |
| 00:29.44 | abrotman | cla: nohup |
| 00:29.48 | abrotman | cla: or screen |
| 00:29.59 | anotherdm | cla some context maybe |
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| 00:30.11 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: We want to know if you have an '/mnt/' '/mount/' |
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| 00:30.16 | abrotman | redphoenix1: BACKUP YOUR DATA .. then try parted .. not sure how well it works .. i've never used it |
| 00:30.32 | King_Andy | abrotman or dvm1981 : http://pastebin.ca/43471 |
| 00:30.35 | cla | anotherdm: "php -f msnbot.php" |
| 00:30.39 | jbrimble | after i modify my sources.list does it require a reboot? |
| 00:30.51 | abrotman | King_Andy: that's not ls -l |
| 00:30.54 | stew | jbrimble: no, just an "apt-get update" |
| 00:31.02 | anotherdm | tail -f /var/log/messages >>useless.text & will run until the box hangs |
| 00:31.03 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: ??? |
| 00:31.05 | King_Andy | lol, crap |
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| 00:31.23 | abrotman | jbrimble: no |
| 00:31.28 | curt | I was going t make a little room, so I coppied /lib to /home/user/lib and was going symlink it from there wooops! |
| 00:31.29 | anotherdm | cla yeah add the & at the end |
| 00:31.47 | jrwr | curt: dumbest idea ever |
| 00:31.54 | cla | anotherdm that's it? Won't it scream 'stopped jobs'? |
| 00:31.57 | dvm1981 | abrotman: You are to fast for me man :-/ working on supernova? |
| 00:32.04 | curt | jrwr, found that out |
| 00:32.08 | abrotman | dvm1981: uhm . no |
| 00:32.10 | King_Andy | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/43473 |
| 00:32.12 | anotherdm | cla rather that will wait until you msnbot actually finishes but would nto restart it |
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| 00:32.24 | abrotman | King_Andy: wrong one again :) |
| 00:32.26 | jrwr | that even more dumb then doing kill -1 -9 as root over SSH |
| 00:32.28 | rav | hello. i need to install the snd-atiixp module on my kernel, version 2.6 |
| 00:32.30 | King_Andy | ahhh |
| 00:32.31 | King_Andy | lol |
| 00:32.35 | cla | anotherdm: perfect! :> |
| 00:32.44 | curt | seemd most command now do not work... (ln, cp, mv etc etc) |
| 00:32.46 | anotherdm | cla you couls also do a cron job on it |
| 00:32.47 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: In a console type 'ls -l' |
| 00:32.56 | abrotman | King_Andy: ls -l / |
| 00:33.02 | Woosta | lol |
| 00:33.08 | abrotman | curt: you can't do that :) |
| 00:33.11 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Sorry you are a new one that learn the best tools of the world! |
| 00:33.16 | abrotman | curt: grab a rescue disk .. put it back :) |
| 00:33.19 | Andy298 | whats the best way to backup / restore? |
| 00:33.21 | jrwr | yep |
| 00:33.25 | Woosta | King_Andy: you need to type 'ls -l' in console .. no idea why but it seems a popular solution .. haven't been reading |
| 00:33.31 | jrwr | tar/gunzip it |
| 00:33.33 | anotherdm | cla if you want it to come back after a reboot you'll of course need a cron job or an entry in the local start file |
| 00:33.34 | jrwr | and burn to DVD |
| 00:33.46 | jrwr | thats what i do |
| 00:33.49 | redphoenix1 | abrotman, parted gives me this after running "move 2 626MB 80GB" or "resize 2 626MB 80GB" |
| 00:33.51 | jrwr | or use SAMBA |
| 00:33.56 | redphoenix1 | No Implementation: This ext2 file system has a rather strange layout! Parted |
| 00:33.56 | redphoenix1 | can't resize this (yet) |
| 00:33.59 | Andy298 | jrwr: got a second drive i want to backup to (want it fully automated too) |
| 00:34.00 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: And paste the output |
| 00:34.02 | abrotman | redphoenix1: i've never used it .. i know nothing about it |
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| 00:34.06 | redphoenix1 | ok |
| 00:34.10 | jrwr | cron jobs |
| 00:34.12 | cla | anotherdm: ye, I was thinking something like /etc/init.d/msnbot... |
| 00:34.12 | abrotman | !parted |
| 00:34.12 | dpkg | GNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted I used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. supports Apple and sparc partition tables. |
| 00:34.30 | jrwr | and shell scripts to back it up the folders you do wahnt backed up |
| 00:34.36 | jrwr | <-- does that for mysql |
| 00:34.37 | curt | cdrom seems to want eject ... |
| 00:34.37 | rav | can anyone help me with kernel modules? |
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| 00:35.06 | Andy298 | jrwr: whats simplest way to manage cron jobs? |
| 00:35.06 | jrwr | how do i install ssh server |
| 00:35.11 | King_Andy | dvm1981 : http://pastebin.ca/43474 |
| 00:35.12 | jrwr | crontab -e |
| 00:35.17 | abrotman | King_Andy: did you go to the bathroom again? |
| 00:35.19 | abrotman | ah |
| 00:35.21 | anotherdm | Andy298 use vim |
| 00:35.30 | abrotman | King_Andy: ls -l / |
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| 00:35.38 | King_Andy | LOL |
| 00:35.39 | anotherdm | ok crontab -e is better |
| 00:35.40 | King_Andy | good god |
| 00:35.44 | jrwr | lol |
| 00:35.45 | anotherdm | just set it to use vim |
| 00:35.47 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: oeps again, my fault 'ls -l /' |
| 00:35.54 | abrotman | King_Andy: dvm1981 misfired .. screwed up .. he'll be disciplined later |
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| 00:36.13 | King_Andy | >.< |
| 00:36.33 | dvm1981 | Ok |
| 00:36.49 | abrotman | !punish dvm1981 |
| 00:37.02 | King_Andy | dvm1981 abrotman : http://pastebin.ca/43476 |
| 00:37.09 | abrotman | !tell nevyn about which driver |
| 00:37.29 | abrotman | King_Andy: mkdir /mnt/dos/ |
| 00:37.41 | BiRD | abrotman: where can I find madwifi now that it is installed (sorry I am so new) |
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| 00:38.12 | abrotman | King_Andy: and then in your fstab "/dev/hdb1 /mnt/dos/ defaults,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 00:38.14 | abrotman | " |
| 00:38.16 | curt | resue disk == netinstall disk ? |
| 00:38.21 | abrotman | BiRD: uhm .. it should be there? |
| 00:38.42 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: make an directory in '/mnt/' |
| 00:38.54 | BiRD | abrotman: I tried to run it by typing madwifi but nothing happens |
| 00:39.02 | redphoenix1 | hmm seems i will lose all data if i do this..... |
| 00:39.06 | abrotman | BiRD: you mean to load the module |
| 00:39.10 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:39.14 | BiRD | y |
| 00:39.15 | chuckyp | BiRD, well you don't actually run it its a kernel module. |
| 00:39.26 | King_Andy | abrotman mkdir /mnt/dos did nothing |
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| 00:39.35 | abrotman | King_Andy: it won't appear to |
| 00:39.36 | BiRD | chucky: okay i understand that |
| 00:39.46 | abrotman | BiRD: you'd use modprobe |
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| 00:39.58 | BiRD | abrotman: thx |
| 00:40.02 | King_Andy | abrotman okay, so now put in the /dev/hdb1 /mnt/dos/ defaults,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 00:40.06 | abrotman | BiRD: or modconf |
| 00:40.11 | abrotman | King_Andy: sure |
| 00:40.21 | abrotman | King_Andy: if you want it to mount automagically .. leave off the noauto |
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| 00:41.06 | kubalaa | recently gtk apps (gaim, gvim) started segfaulting mysteriously (unstable), anybody know anything about that? |
| 00:41.43 | abrotman | !btssmite kubalaa |
| 00:42.14 | King_Andy | abrotman http://pastebin.ca/43477 |
| 00:42.35 | kubalaa | yeah, I checked the bug reports and didn't see anything; does anybody have tips for diagnosing a segfault? |
| 00:42.51 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: you forget the vfat by <type> |
| 00:42.57 | curt | abrotman, would rebooting with a net install cd be a good/bad idea (deleted /lib) |
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| 00:43.05 | King_Andy | after i put that in, CTRL X? |
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| 00:43.19 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Yes |
| 00:43.28 | redphoenix1 | ok thank you for your help |
| 00:43.32 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: If you use 'nano' |
| 00:43.33 | redphoenix1 | bye everyone |
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| 00:43.36 | oberon | oberon@obi:~$ apt-cache search wank |
| 00:43.37 | oberon | ratpoison - Simple window manager with no fat library dependencies |
| 00:43.38 | rav | can anyone help me with MAKEDEV? |
| 00:43.45 | King_Andy | dvm1981 yes, i did use nano |
| 00:43.55 | BiRD | abrotman: chuckyp: I am so close.. but I cant find what command-line arguments i need to load the ath_pci module |
| 00:44.12 | BiRD | abrotman: chuckyp: installation fails if i dont use any |
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| 00:44.24 | King_Andy | dvm1981 and abrotman: that worked |
| 00:44.26 | King_Andy | thank you both |
| 00:44.29 | King_Andy | sooooo much |
| 00:44.29 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: You want not that he automatical mount it when the comp boot? |
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| 00:44.44 | King_Andy | idk... lol do i? |
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| 00:45.32 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: If you like it. |
| 00:45.33 | abrotman | King_Andy: all done? |
| 00:45.39 | [UBV]Joe | Hi |
| 00:45.45 | abrotman | BiRD: modprobe ath_pci |
| 00:45.49 | AciD | autofs is so b0rked. |
| 00:45.50 | King_Andy | what does automatic mount mean? |
| 00:46.04 | [UBV]Joe | Looking for help on having XP Home and Debian on my laptop |
| 00:46.05 | abrotman | King_Andy: when it boots .. it will mount |
| 00:46.17 | [UBV]Joe | I have downloaded the net install for debian. |
| 00:46.22 | asg | [UBV]Joe: install windows first and Debian after; It's easier that way. |
| 00:46.23 | abrotman | grub should do it |
| 00:46.27 | [UBV]Joe | well. |
| 00:46.32 | [UBV]Joe | I have windows on it already |
| 00:46.35 | King_Andy | so i should go back and take out 'noauto'? |
| 00:46.44 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: auto |
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| 00:46.50 | King_Andy | okay |
| 00:46.51 | [UBV]Joe | how do i go about installing linux where? |
| 00:46.56 | [UBV]Joe | i dont have a partitining program. |
| 00:47.06 | dvm1981 | Get one |
| 00:47.07 | [UBV]Joe | partitioning* |
| 00:47.10 | [UBV]Joe | such as what? |
| 00:47.15 | dvm1981 | parted |
| 00:47.17 | [UBV]Joe | Any free ones? |
| 00:47.21 | dvm1981 | Yes |
| 00:47.32 | curt | !install debian |
| 00:47.32 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 00:47.49 | [UBV]Joe | Do i have to reinstall windows? |
| 00:47.52 | [UBV]Joe | if i have it already? |
| 00:48.02 | dvm1981 | No, delete it, yes :-) |
| 00:48.15 | zethreth | How would I go about finding out how a deb package was built, as in compilation options. |
| 00:48.24 | curt | [UBV]Joe, no you don't have to, and the debian install will part your drive |
| 00:48.35 | asg | zethreth: download the src package, look in debian/rules |
| 00:48.41 | anotherdm | hhhmmmm ok so ive garnered that even though ive got an AMD64 CPU that Im still better off with using the 1386 arch for sarge. |
| 00:48.42 | [UBV]Joe | so. I just shut off my laptop, insert CD, run debian install. |
| 00:48.43 | anotherdm | is this correct |
| 00:48.50 | [UBV]Joe | So then the 2 OS's are on my laptop |
| 00:49.02 | curt | [UBV]Joe, it's pretty straight forward yes... |
| 00:49.03 | [UBV]Joe | how do i go about switching default on or switching? |
| 00:49.21 | anotherdm | is there a list or review somewhere about what Sarge AMD64 does not support or is broken |
| 00:49.22 | dvm1981 | [UBV]Joe: I can suggest you to get Knoppix, to try a bit, and so you have tools. |
| 00:49.34 | curt | [UBV]Joe, debian installs a boot loader and you can choose |
| 00:49.42 | [UBV]Joe | okay. |
| 00:49.48 | abrotman | dvm1981: tools? |
| 00:50.04 | dvm1981 | [UBV]Joe: Partitionering tools, like he ask about it. |
| 00:50.07 | curt | ok I am kinda stuck |
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| 00:50.12 | [UBV]Joe | well |
| 00:50.13 | dvm1981 | abrotman: Partitionering tools, like he ask about it. |
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| 00:50.16 | [UBV]Joe | if debian has it? |
| 00:50.26 | [UBV]Joe | debian will part my drive? |
| 00:50.28 | abrotman | dvm1981: just delete windows :) |
| 00:50.41 | dvm1981 | abrotman: Already suggested :-) |
| 00:50.42 | oberon | :) |
| 00:50.53 | [UBV]Joe | i want to keep windows. |
| 00:50.55 | [UBV]Joe | not get rid of. |
| 00:50.57 | dvm1981 | abrotman: My first one :-/ |
| 00:51.11 | oberon | buy another disk:) |
| 00:51.12 | [UBV]Joe | so Just run Debian install. It will Split my drive. One is windows, one is debian. |
| 00:51.18 | curt | I would (at least for now) then in a day or two you might want to... |
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| 00:51.25 | blazefx | What up all |
| 00:51.33 | curt | [UBV]Joe, yes |
| 00:51.34 | oberon | use partiton magic |
| 00:51.43 | oberon | oder parted or whatever:) |
| 00:51.46 | anotherdm | !dualboot |
| 00:51.46 | dpkg | you have two hard drives... only some rich bastard would have more then one hard drive |
| 00:51.53 | [UBV]Joe | why would i buy partition magic if debian will split my drive |
| 00:52.03 | blazefx | lol |
| 00:52.19 | curt | [UBV]Joe, the more you let them the more they will pester |
| 00:52.30 | oberon | !dualboot |
| 00:52.30 | dpkg | you have two hard drives... only some rich bastard would have more then one hard drive |
| 00:52.35 | oberon | :)) - nice |
| 00:52.48 | [UBV]Joe | whoops |
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| 00:53.00 | [UBV]Joe | Curt: So when i run Debian NetInstall.. |
| 00:53.00 | deadcat | how do i get gtk apps to recognize .svg icons? like those in an icon themes i am testing this with thunar(file manager) |
| 00:53.04 | curt | If I can get this box back up I'll be back in a few minutes |
| 00:53.10 | [UBV]Joe | It will ask which OS i want set as default |
| 00:53.15 | oberon | need to teach that apt:) |
| 00:53.15 | curt | [UBV]Joe, yes, yes, yes... |
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| 00:53.26 | dvm1981 | Im really not rich and not an bastard, and have 2 hdd's :-( |
| 00:53.27 | [UBV]Joe | And how do i switch? |
| 00:53.31 | curt | [UBV]Joe, be brave, it will work fine |
| 00:53.33 | [UBV]Joe | option @ boot? |
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| 00:53.52 | [UBV]Joe | im not afraid of screwing it up |
| 00:53.57 | asg | [UBV]Joe: it will provide you with a menu so you can select which OS to boot. |
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| 00:54.08 | [UBV]Joe | its just.. i gotta check if linux will read my wireless adapter. |
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| 00:54.12 | ariel77 | hi can someone tell me how to change installation for a sata drive |
| 00:54.21 | anotherdm | dvm1981 ive got a dozen 6gig drives, would you like one |
| 00:54.28 | gnufan | deadcat: have you installed an application that it can use -- Inkscape? |
| 00:54.42 | deadcat | inkscape? let me try |
| 00:54.45 | anotherdm | ive also got a dozen 486s to go with em |
| 00:54.47 | dvm1981 | anotherdm: If you want to give one yes :-) |
| 00:54.51 | [UBV]Joe | thank you everyone that actually helped. |
| 00:54.56 | ariel77 | hi can someone tell me how to change installation for a sata drive |
| 00:54.58 | anotherdm | junk i tell ya |
| 00:55.11 | curt | abrotman, I am worries that if I reboot I won't make it back, is there another way to move the /lib folder back? |
| 00:55.27 | oberon | <ariel77> change hda to sda |
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| 00:55.46 | int31h | hi |
| 00:55.50 | blazefx | hi |
| 00:55.51 | dvm1981 | anotherdm: In wich country live you? |
| 00:55.58 | tech13 | How do I setup a program to autorun when X starts? (ie: run: hotkeys) |
| 00:56.03 | deadcat | gnufan: are you using any icon themes at the moment? |
| 00:56.08 | ariel77 | oberon how do i do that i am a newbie |
| 00:56.09 | abrotman | curt: most likely not |
| 00:56.15 | curt | crap |
| 00:56.22 | ArchAngel | I'm having problems getting my sound to work. I'm very lost here. I went through a tutorial that told me to install several things having to do with ALSA and Jack, and then I ran alsaconf and chose my sound card, an Ensoniq ES 1371. I ran speaker-test and I got sound, but I don't get any sound any other time, as far as I know. Would someone please help me figure out what the problem is? |
| 00:56.28 | curt | ok |
| 00:56.30 | abrotman | curt: afaik .. the only way is with a rescue disc |
| 00:56.37 | oberon | ariel77: don't kown - i am a newbie myself |
| 00:56.37 | anotherdm | dvm1981 canada |
| 00:56.40 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 00:56.42 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 00:56.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 00:56.42 | int31h | how can i wrote and alias with more than a single word? |
| 00:56.43 | ariel77 | oberon i have read somethig that says i need to change the bios during startup or run something called sata_nv |
| 00:56.51 | abrotman | int31h: quotes? |
| 00:57.04 | stew | int31h: alias foo='bar 1 2 3' |
| 00:57.04 | gnufan | deadcat: librsvg2-common ?? |
| 00:57.06 | ArchAngel | thanks |
| 00:57.56 | ArchAngel | how do i add my user to the audio group? |
| 00:58.04 | oberon | adduser foobar audio |
| 00:58.07 | asg | ArchAngel: adduser <user> <group> |
| 00:58.08 | int31h | tx |
| 00:58.12 | ArchAngel | thanks again |
| 00:58.35 | deadcat | gnufan: ah. thanks .(= |
| 00:58.40 | anotherdm | ariel77 if your system is installed I would suggested you dont want to change your boot drive from IDE to SATA |
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| 00:58.58 | deadcat | gnufan: dont know why gqview wouldnt depend it (= |
| 00:59.16 | deadcat | gnufan: thanks. its rocking (= |
| 00:59.17 | oberon | anotherdm: why? |
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| 01:00.10 | ariel77 | anotherdm i am running ubuntu and have found it is too buggy for me a newbie to try to run right now i need something more stable like debian stable |
| 01:00.10 | anotherdm | with the sata on sarge having been a relatively common problem |
| 01:00.24 | deadcat | gnufan: its just looking better and better (= first split gradient for clearlooks now the icon themes working. |
| 01:00.25 | britt | anybody a wireless expert here? |
| 01:00.31 | deadcat | britt: no. just ask |
| 01:00.36 | Stevie | lol |
| 01:00.41 | oberon | :) |
| 01:00.54 | ArchAngel | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp Erm, this command makes my speakers play static. is that normal? |
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| 01:01.06 | oberon | rofl |
| 01:01.09 | asg | ArchAngel: yes |
| 01:01.13 | ArchAngel | good. |
| 01:01.13 | gnufan | deadcat: isn't there one in sid as a default?! |
| 01:01.16 | asg | ArchAngel: that also means your sound is working |
| 01:01.18 | britt | alright, dropping signal from any channel on a 802.11b network. I have two wireless routers, one on channel 1 and one on channel 11 |
| 01:01.33 | ArchAngel | asg: that is good. time to test the flash video again. |
| 01:01.44 | anotherdm | ariel77 so are you reinstalling or moving all your bootup from an ide drive to a sata drive |
| 01:01.45 | britt | i have tried two WRT54Gs and both do the same thing, dropped signals every ten seconds or so |
| 01:01.45 | deadcat | gnufan: it has clearlooks but not with split gradient. so i built one on sunday. |
| 01:01.57 | deadcat | britt: what chipset is that? |
| 01:02.02 | Gumboot | Aww man... 9600 baud and I have to look at the userlist. |
| 01:02.02 | Gumboot | I can type moy whole question by the time it's done, I bet. |
| 01:02.27 | britt | deadcat: both the old v1-4 chipset and the brand new v5 chipset |
| 01:02.35 | gnufan | deadcat: indulge a non-artist -- split gradient? |
| 01:02.55 | ArchAngel | I have another problem. I still get no sound from my speakers when I play this flash video: http://fat-pie.com/ptikobj.htm Is this a problem with flash, or configuration, or what? |
| 01:03.11 | deadcat | britt: chipset... like prism, orinoco, zd1211, blah |
| 01:03.22 | deadcat | gnufan: let me screeenshot (= |
| 01:03.29 | britt | deadcat: this isnt OS dependent |
| 01:03.38 | britt | i just dont know where else to turn |
| 01:03.42 | oberon | ArchAngel: probably you need some kind of sound server which handels the different streams for you |
| 01:03.48 | dvm1981 | ArchAngel: Long to loas man@ |
| 01:04.00 | oberon | in case your sound card is nocht able to this for you |
| 01:04.04 | dvm1981 | s/loas/load |
| 01:04.07 | Gumboot | OK, so my system is kind of hosed because something went sour while upgrading libc. The filesystem is on NFS, and I'm currently hooked up to the host via a 9600bps serial link. Can I extract a replacement libc over whatever mess has been put there using some tools that come with OpenBSD? |
| 01:04.10 | britt | deadcat: but orinoco would be the answer you seek |
| 01:04.12 | deadcat | gnufan: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/thunar.png the scroll bar.. it has a 3d look to it. |
| 01:04.31 | Gumboot | (I'm thinking something along the lines of dd and tar) |
| 01:04.38 | ArchAngel | dvm1981: what? |
| 01:04.40 | deadcat | britt: i doubt that card is orinco chipset. |
| 01:04.52 | dvm1981 | ArchAngel: The link you send |
| 01:05.14 | ArchAngel | dvm1981: I still don't understand. You've gotta speak simply for me. :D |
| 01:05.16 | britt | deadcat: are you talking about the router or the card. I have a wavelan silver card |
| 01:05.19 | britt | dont doubt |
| 01:05.29 | deadcat | britt: which one you talking about? |
| 01:05.31 | deadcat | the card right? |
| 01:05.38 | britt | well the router |
| 01:05.42 | deadcat | oh. |
| 01:05.44 | britt | it drops all hosts |
| 01:05.50 | deadcat | reset it |
| 01:05.54 | britt | and i dunno why, but i dont know where else to do |
| 01:05.55 | britt | go |
| 01:06.05 | deadcat | i have a crapass netgear access point (= |
| 01:06.06 | britt | dude, ive tried three different routers, one is even hacked |
| 01:06.22 | deadcat | britt: then it could be the card. |
| 01:06.35 | britt | hmm\ |
| 01:06.36 | deadcat | some routers dont play nice with certain cards. |
| 01:06.44 | britt | wonderful |
| 01:07.02 | britt | well i guess that would explain alot then |
| 01:07.07 | ArchAngel | oberon: is jackd a sound server? |
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| 01:07.27 | stew | !jack |
| 01:07.27 | dpkg | somebody said jack was http://jackit.sf.net/, or http://www.home.unix-ag.org/arne/jack/, or a low latency audio server, or a colloquialism for a person who doesn't care about anything.... |
| 01:07.31 | [UBV]Joe | Hi |
| 01:07.35 | Gumboot | Anyone? Getting files out of a Debian package using non-Debian-specific tools? |
| 01:07.42 | [UBV]Joe | Just tried running debian install |
| 01:07.56 | beardy | yggdrasil_: there? |
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| 01:08.05 | [UBV]Joe | booted up laptop. pressed enter to boot debian install. went to language selection screen. and wouldnt let me move selection. |
| 01:08.13 | [UBV]Joe | any clue why? |
| 01:08.22 | ArchAngel | How do I check if aRTs and esound are stopped? |
| 01:08.27 | deadcat | gnufan: seen the screenshot? what you think? |
| 01:08.32 | beardy | ArchAngel: man ps |
| 01:08.33 | oberon | ArchAngel: apt-cache search/show are your friends.) |
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| 01:09.21 | beardy | ArchAngel: 'ps aux | grep processname' or shorter, 'pgrep processname' |
| 01:09.30 | britt | deadcat: so the WRT54G isnt a good router? |
| 01:09.32 | gnufan | deadcat: I have an icon theme now ;) |
| 01:09.33 | britt | :/ |
| 01:09.45 | deadcat | britt: very good |
| 01:09.49 | [UBV]Joe | i use wrt54g |
| 01:09.54 | britt | me three |
| 01:10.00 | britt | i have it all over the place |
| 01:10.01 | [UBV]Joe | what os are you running? |
| 01:10.03 | deadcat | i wish i have one myself (= |
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| 01:10.21 | britt | well i have a deb box on it, a OS X powerbook and a pocket PC |
| 01:10.25 | [UBV]Joe | oh |
| 01:10.33 | deadcat | gnufan: nice nice heheh. screenshot time |
| 01:10.34 | britt | all of them have a hard time accessing this one AP |
| 01:10.38 | tech13 | How do I setup hotkeys to autorun when X starts? |
| 01:10.39 | [UBV]Joe | Anyone know why my Debian Netinstall won't do anything at language selection screen? |
| 01:10.51 | britt | no problems accessing the other one a few hundred feet out |
| 01:10.52 | deadcat | tech13: what wm you using? |
| 01:11.02 | pzn | Hi! I'm trying to enable memory usage to mrtg. I've tried some howtos and google. mrtg config seems ok. it seems that snmpd does not report "memTotalReal". how to solve this? any hint? |
| 01:11.03 | tech13 | deadcat, gnome debian 3.1 |
| 01:11.14 | beardy | [UBV]Joe: No, but try linux26 at the boot prompt instead. |
| 01:11.22 | [UBV]Joe | beardy. |
| 01:11.28 | [UBV]Joe | CD is my first boot |
| 01:11.30 | deadcat | tech13: preference or something. i use xbindkeys myself so it doesnt depend on the wm |
| 01:11.42 | [UBV]Joe | should i change that selection in boot options? |
| 01:12.13 | anotherdm | auhg ive got tooo much to do. I dont want to also have to rebuild my own computer for crying out loud |
| 01:12.20 | anotherdm | sorry had to vent |
| 01:12.26 | beardy | [UBV]Joe: No, type "linux26" (without the quotes "") when you boot with the cd, then hit Enter. |
| 01:12.36 | [UBV]Joe | okay. |
| 01:12.38 | [UBV]Joe | brb maybe |
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| 01:14.16 | yggdrasil_ | good evening gents |
| 01:14.30 | beardy | yggdrasil_: Got your sound going? |
| 01:14.31 | britt | hey |
| 01:14.38 | yggdrasil_ | beardy nah i was just about to start on it |
| 01:14.46 | yggdrasil_ | just doing some final configs for the xchat and o.. |
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| 01:16.15 | yggdrasil_ | beardy 2.6.16-rc4 a good one ? |
| 01:16.26 | britt | channel 6 does okay, until someone answers the phone or moves any |
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| 01:17.33 | [UBV]Joe | Hi.. I'm Back. |
| 01:17.52 | jbrimble | hi, i am having difficulty connecting to MySQL on my Debian machine externally |
| 01:17.56 | [UBV]Joe | I typed "linux26" without quotes. pressed enter, selected English, Then Selected United States, then it went to a blue screen |
| 01:18.01 | deadcat | britt: cant you set the devices to illegal channels? (= |
| 01:18.21 | rav | anyone can help me with my soundcard? |
| 01:18.22 | [UBV]Joe | everytime i pressed enter at the blue screen it covered like lines with grey |
| 01:18.25 | britt | deadcat: the router yes, but the cards dont pick up on it |
| 01:18.43 | deadcat | britt: ah.. well they orinoco cards can be hacked to 14 channels. |
| 01:18.45 | beardy | yggdrasil_: aren't you running sarge? |
| 01:18.53 | dvm1981 | [UBV]Joe: First GNU/Linux install? |
| 01:18.54 | TuX_BuBling | !tell me about dpkg --configure |
| 01:19.02 | [UBV]Joe | First time installing yes.. |
| 01:19.04 | [UBV]Joe | Debian.. |
| 01:19.05 | TuX_BuBling | !tell me about dpkg |
| 01:19.09 | britt | deadcat: just changed it to ch 14 |
| 01:19.09 | bhundven | jbrimble: ... |
| 01:19.13 | abrotman | TuX_BuBling: please use /msg |
| 01:19.16 | deadcat | (= |
| 01:19.16 | britt | we'll see |
| 01:19.19 | TuX_BuBling | what is the reconfigure option? |
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| 01:19.29 | abrotman | TuX_BuBling: dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> |
| 01:19.35 | abrotman | !tell TuX_BuBling about refcard |
| 01:19.42 | beardy | yggdrasil_: Just install kernel-image-2.6, it depends on the latest available 2.6 kernel. |
| 01:19.53 | TuX_BuBling | thx |
| 01:19.57 | dvm1981 | [UBV]Joe: Have you some experience in GNU/Linux? Because you try it on you're laptop? |
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| 01:20.04 | doub | hi there |
| 01:20.17 | [UBV]Joe | No, no expierence. |
| 01:20.18 | rav | anyone can help me out setting up my soundcard? |
| 01:20.19 | bhundven | jbrimble: the default my.cnf in /etc/mysql/my.cnf binds to 127.0.0.1 for security reasons. |
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| 01:20.48 | [UBV]Joe | dvm is it a problem that i install it on my laptop? |
| 01:20.49 | beardy | rav: If you're not running a 2.6 kernel, install one, then "/msg dpkg alsa 2.6" |
| 01:21.13 | dvm1981 | [UBV]Joe: A bit dificult to begin an experience, then on an laptop, a big more, not impossible |
| 01:21.15 | bhundven | it's better then how it used to be setup by default. it would just skip networking and only allow unix named pipes |
| 01:21.35 | [UBV]Joe | Well how can i succedd installation on my laptop |
| 01:21.42 | [UBV]Joe | I got to United States Screen, then i pressed enter |
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| 01:21.59 | [UBV]Joe | and it came to blue screen and everytime i pressed enter it covered more and more with grey.. |
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| 01:22.18 | dvm1981 | When, poeple ask me, no more bells and no more the text in red :-( |
| 01:22.25 | abrotman | vga=771 ? |
| 01:22.26 | rav | thanks beardy |
| 01:22.32 | PowerPC | I got my video problem fixed, but now when i load X my keyboard doesnt work |
| 01:22.47 | jbrimble | thankyou bhundven |
| 01:22.52 | bhundven | ;) |
| 01:22.57 | dvm1981 | [UBV]Joe: type dvm1981 |
| 01:23.01 | gnufan | deadcat: http://simonwaters.technocool.net/Screenshot2.png delete the 2 for the before... hmm not sure about suede.. doesn't fit |
| 01:23.03 | [UBV]Joe | where? |
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| 01:23.07 | [UBV]Joe | at that blue screen? |
| 01:23.08 | cyfuss | hi |
| 01:23.13 | [UBV]Joe | wait what? |
| 01:23.16 | [UBV]Joe | before my question? |
| 01:23.23 | cyfuss | i have a problem with debian installation |
| 01:23.33 | abrotman | just one? |
| 01:23.42 | cyfuss | I can't install it |
| 01:23.50 | dvs | !pal cyfuss |
| 01:23.57 | deadcat | gnufan: huge text on a 1024. )= |
| 01:24.00 | jbrimble | bhundven: Which part do i need to modify? |
| 01:24.09 | [UBV]Joe | DVM1981: like this? |
| 01:24.12 | abrotman | cyfuss: we need a bit more to go on |
| 01:24.12 | PowerPC | *sigh* will anyone help me? |
| 01:24.39 | bhundven | jbrimble: I must recommend that if your allowing external hosts to rtm on setting up connections with ssl |
| 01:24.40 | abrotman | help you what? |
| 01:24.42 | dvm1981 | [UBV]Joe: Excellent :-) 'linux26 vga=771' |
| 01:24.51 | [UBV]Joe | ? |
| 01:25.01 | PowerPC | my keyboard doesnt work after i load X |
| 01:25.10 | [UBV]Joe | dvm1981: what do i do once i get to that blue screen? |
| 01:25.11 | Terat0gen | ouch |
| 01:25.13 | deadcat | gnufan: thunar as well? i am using the Tango icon theme and custom clearlooks theme.. if you want the latest clearlooks theme (split gradient) let me know. |
| 01:25.15 | Terat0gen | that makes X kinda useless |
| 01:25.16 | abrotman | PowerPC: at all? |
| 01:25.21 | PowerPC | nope |
| 01:25.30 | PowerPC | it works at the command line but after i load X it stops working |
| 01:25.30 | Terat0gen | is it a USB keyboard? |
| 01:25.34 | PowerPC | PS/2 |
| 01:25.35 | abrotman | PowerPC: didn't we cover this last night with the PS/2 keyboard and stuff? |
| 01:25.36 | Terat0gen | weird |
| 01:25.37 | jbrimble | hmm, do you know of a resource that'll teach me how to do this? |
| 01:25.45 | [UBV]Joe | dvm1981: I typed "linux26" -> ENTER, English -> ENTER, United States -> ENTER, then blue screen. |
| 01:25.45 | dvm1981 | [UBV]Joe: There are some troubles with you're laptop, so you need to enter a boot code like abrotman have say |
| 01:25.46 | PowerPC | abrotman: uhh no |
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| 01:25.56 | dvm1981 | [UBV]Joe: 'linux26 vga=771' |
| 01:26.04 | gnufan | deadcat: Ah you noticed -- everyone thinks I'm weird for having huge text on everything - but hey it is my eyesight. |
| 01:26.06 | [UBV]Joe | then press enter? |
| 01:26.08 | cyfuss | mmmm, I have a AMD64 and netinst.iso |
| 01:26.08 | bhundven | jbrimble: check in /usr/share/doc/mysql* |
| 01:26.12 | abrotman | PowerPC: ok .. just wondering |
| 01:26.16 | bhundven | apt-get install mysql-doc? |
| 01:26.16 | dvm1981 | [UBV]Joe: Yes |
| 01:26.21 | dvs | gnufan: Get a bigger screen. ;-) |
| 01:26.24 | [UBV]Joe | okay |
| 01:26.25 | deadcat | gnufan: hehe.. |
| 01:26.25 | cyfuss | the problem is |
| 01:26.28 | [UBV]Joe | hopefully this will work. |
| 01:26.30 | [UBV]Joe | brb |
| 01:26.33 | bhundven | don't have debian around right now. I'm at work waiting for my roommate to give me a ride home |
| 01:26.42 | gnufan | dvs: okay -- where do I send the invoice for it ;) |
| 01:26.45 | Gnea | PowerPC: on an x86? |
| 01:26.52 | dvs | gnufan: c/o abrotman |
| 01:26.57 | abrotman | who what? |
| 01:27.02 | PowerPC | Gnea: yes |
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| 01:27.18 | abrotman | what did i do now? |
| 01:27.19 | dvs | abrotman: Oh nothing. You're getting something in the mail |
| 01:27.30 | Gnea | PowerPC: can you get a remote console to it to debug it? |
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| 01:27.31 | fc466_ | hi all, I am having some problems with the display of ncuses on my konsole. I tried to reinstall libncurses* libraries, but I am still having problems. Say for example you run make menuconfig on the terminal, the lines there wont show up correctly. Any suggestions ? |
| 01:27.46 | abrotman | dvs: an umbrella hat? |
| 01:28.00 | mamamia | !repositories |
| 01:28.04 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 01:28.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 01:28.06 | PowerPC | Gnea: after X is running i cant get out because the keyboard stops working all together |
| 01:28.20 | Gnea | PowerPC: so you only have the one computer? |
| 01:28.33 | PowerPC | Gnea: sadly yes |
| 01:28.43 | Gnea | PowerPC: when did this problem start? |
| 01:28.46 | bhundven | jbrimble: or 'man -k mysql | grep ssl |
| 01:28.46 | bhundven | ' |
| 01:28.48 | abrotman | PowerPC: is it a mac? |
| 01:28.49 | mamamia | abrotman thanks |
| 01:28.59 | bhundven | w/o quotes |
| 01:29.02 | Gnea | abrotman: this has been answered already |
| 01:29.05 | slocate | question: who is in charge of 2.6.*? |
| 01:29.22 | abrotman | Gnea: i'm stupid ok .. why do you have to pick on me? |
| 01:29.22 | Gnea | slocate: trick question, right? Linux Torvolds. |
| 01:29.27 | PowerPC | Gnea: after i installed debian on my AMD Sempron 2600+ and installed X and GNOME my keyboard would work at the command line but not after X is loaded |
| 01:29.28 | Gnea | er, Linus |
| 01:29.31 | deadcat | (= |
| 01:29.36 | Gnea | abrotman: cuz ;) |
| 01:29.47 | beardy | Gnea: and Torvalds.. |
| 01:29.58 | Gnea | PowerPC: try something other than GNOME. |
| 01:30.01 | beardy | Gnea: Are you sure he still is? |
| 01:30.04 | deadcat | gnufan: are you using thunar from sid or svn? |
| 01:30.23 | PowerPC | Gnea: even before i installed GNOME xdm did the same thing |
| 01:30.26 | bhundven | slocate: Debian Kernel Team |
| 01:30.27 | Gnea | beardy: not solely, it's a group now, but he's still the big man |
| 01:30.44 | Gnea | PowerPC: what about just X itself? |
| 01:30.50 | slocate | so nobody in particular like before |
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| 01:31.01 | PowerPC | Gnea: same results |
| 01:31.02 | Gnea | slocate: who cares and why? |
| 01:31.05 | abrotman | !maint kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 01:31.09 | abrotman | !maint kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 sarge |
| 01:31.12 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386: Debian kernel team <debian-kernel@lists.debian.org> |
| 01:31.17 | Gnea | PowerPC: sarge? |
| 01:31.23 | PowerPC | Gnea: yes |
| 01:31.32 | Gnea | PowerPC: so it's not x.org? |
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| 01:31.40 | Gnea | PowerPC: what video card? |
| 01:31.53 | deadcat | Gnea: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/thunar.png |
| 01:32.06 | PowerPC | Gnea: xfree86, S3 Trio64V2, the mouse works, keyboard doesnt :( |
| 01:32.10 | Ozymandias | i need to make it so that my initrd can see my /dev/hdc5, any instructions on how to add devices to an initrd? |
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| 01:32.29 | Gnea | deadcat: nasty |
| 01:33.14 | doub | Ozymandias: your IDE controller module is not in the regular debian kernel's initrd ? |
| 01:33.26 | deadcat | ewww |
| 01:33.28 | Gnea | Ozymandias: what about startx? |
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| 01:33.45 | abrotman | startx? |
| 01:33.48 | Gnea | startx |
| 01:33.53 | PowerPC | or X |
| 01:33.55 | abrotman | Gnea: initrd .. startx? |
| 01:34.02 | Gnea | i mean |
| 01:34.05 | Gnea | PowerPC: |
| 01:34.14 | abrotman | Gnea: why do you always pick on me?! |
| 01:34.15 | deadcat | doub: what for? |
| 01:34.22 | Gnea | abrotman: i wastn't! |
| 01:34.25 | Gnea | i just can't spell |
| 01:34.26 | cyfuss | my problem is with dependences |
| 01:34.27 | PowerPC | Gnea: why? |
| 01:34.30 | abrotman | !paulswmsmite Gnea |
| 01:34.43 | Gnea | haha |
| 01:34.47 | cyfuss | 'some packages had unmet dependeies...' |
| 01:34.48 | doub | deadcat: you seemed like having a headache |
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| 01:34.59 | deadcat | doub: nope. i am good. |
| 01:35.03 | deadcat | must be the wrong dude. (= |
| 01:35.05 | doub | deadcat: ok, my bad |
| 01:35.19 | Ozymandias | doub: no idea.... it boots normally,just fine off my hdc1 but i need to allow it to access my swap which is hdc5 and the error i amm currently getting is due to initrd not having the device inside it |
| 01:35.22 | cyfuss | but, Where I can find repositories to AMD64?? |
| 01:35.27 | Gnea | PowerPC: do you know how to use ~/.xinitrc? |
| 01:35.31 | abrotman | !paulswmsmite Gnea |
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| 01:35.47 | PowerPC | Gnea: Yes |
| 01:35.51 | Gnea | q: |
| 01:36.06 | bhundven | speaking of which, I guess I should ask now that I'm not around my deb box. is gnome-desktop-environment still broke due to gnome-meeting? |
| 01:36.16 | Gnea | PowerPC: ok, just put this in it then: exec xterm |
| 01:36.17 | bhundven | in unstable |
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| 01:36.36 | fc466_ | hi all, I am having some problems with the display of ncuses on my konsole. I tried to reinstall libncurses* libraries, but I am still having problems. Say for example you run make menuconfig on the terminal, the lines there wont show up correctly. Any suggestions ? |
| 01:36.44 | doub | Ozymandias: if you can access hdc1, chances are you can access hdc5 too. that is, it's not an initrd problem |
| 01:36.45 | PowerPC | Gnea: ill do it once i boot back in. its on a seperate HDD :P |
| 01:36.46 | [UBV]Joe | im back.. |
| 01:36.48 | bowman | heya - anyone available who knows from the top of his head how to print 2 pages onto one with a printer filter? (cups, laserjet 6l) - I'm having some trouble finding info on that topic |
| 01:36.56 | [UBV]Joe | the "linux26 vga=771" worked. |
| 01:36.59 | bowman | (2 on 1 == scaled and rotated) |
| 01:37.10 | abrotman | i used to know with enscript :) |
| 01:37.11 | [UBV]Joe | I got a menu with a lot of stuff and didnt know what to do first.. |
| 01:37.13 | Gnea | PowerPC: you should just get a grey screen and an xterm - from there you can read the X logs and just type ctrl-d to exit X, if the keyboard is still broke |
| 01:37.17 | bhundven | fc466_ have you tried changing the background color of your terminal to black, without transparency? |
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| 01:37.47 | PowerPC | Gnea: ill try that. |
| 01:37.54 | doub | Ozymandias: initrd contains modules for your hardware, so it contains IDE controllers'. if you miss an IDE controller for your HW, you won't be able to access hdc* at all |
| 01:38.01 | rav | beardy i have the alsa package installed. how can i make it recongnize my soundcard? |
| 01:38.05 | fc466_ | bhundven: wow, no, not really. should I ? why does transparency have anything to do with that ? |
| 01:38.24 | beardy | rav: Have you read what dpkg said? |
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| 01:38.46 | bhundven | fc466_: it was just a guess. |
| 01:38.46 | [UBV]Joe | anyone? |
| 01:38.57 | rav | it didn't said anything. i don't have a /msg directory |
| 01:38.57 | bhundven | try it... it might just work... |
| 01:38.59 | Ozymandias | doub: i am trying to install suspend2 and when i try to use the initrd that allows for suspension, i get the error /dev/hdc5 cannot be translated into a device id |
| 01:39.01 | fc466_ | bhundven : I will try that.. any other suggestions ? |
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| 01:39.07 | Ozymandias | doub: any idea what that means then? |
| 01:39.07 | beardy | !ig [UBV]Joe |
| 01:39.13 | [UBV]Joe | ig? |
| 01:39.14 | bhundven | use gnome :-P |
| 01:39.19 | beardy | !ig |
| 01:39.19 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 01:39.26 | beardy | [UBV]Joe: ^^^ |
| 01:39.26 | [UBV]Joe | oh |
| 01:39.38 | bhundven | muhahaha |
| 01:39.45 | [UBV]Joe | k.. |
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| 01:39.52 | [UBV]Joe | HP PA-RISC |
| 01:39.55 | TGoC | Nobody celebrating carnaval in here? ^^ |
| 01:39.56 | [UBV]Joe | whats the PA-RISC? |
| 01:40.05 | doub | Ozymandias: maybe some problem related to /dev : you might need a /dev/hdc5 entry in your initrd fs |
| 01:40.13 | beardy | [UBV]Joe: An architecture, you want i386. |
| 01:40.14 | Gnea | TGoC: what's that got to do with debian? |
| 01:40.22 | TGoC | http://www.parisc-linux.org/ @ [UBV]Joe |
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| 01:40.31 | doub | Ozymandias: but that's just a guess, i don't know nothing about suspend2 |
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| 01:40.39 | TGoC | Gnea not much probably, unless there is a Xserver mod for carnaval ^^ |
| 01:40.41 | Ozymandias | doub: thats whar I was trying to get help on fixing ;-) |
| 01:40.51 | TGoC | But we all are people, even in here Gnea... |
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| 01:41.28 | [UBV]Joe | I need a manual for debian.. |
| 01:41.34 | dvs_ | !manual |
| 01:41.34 | bhundven | man works |
| 01:41.40 | [UBV]Joe | dpkg's link right |
| 01:41.50 | doub | Ozymandias: check if you have it on your initrd: the file might be mountable somehow (think "mount -o loop <initrd file> <some mount point>"), to see if there's a /dev/hdc5 there |
| 01:41.51 | [UBV]Joe | why that parisc-linux? |
| 01:41.52 | Systemadmin | can i use a linux server to bounce mail on port 26 to my webserver that runs on port 25? |
| 01:41.55 | Roses | how do I specify a standard ps/2 mouse in xorg.conf? |
| 01:41.59 | jbrimble | Apparently i'm supposed to have a MySQL SSL directory (/etc/mysql/ssl).. It doesn't exist |
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| 01:42.16 | [UBV]Joe | which manual do i use for HP Pavilion Ze4500 Laptop? |
| 01:42.20 | Ozymandias | doub: there isnt. I am trying to create that bit |
| 01:42.20 | TGoC | [UBV]Joe be more specific |
| 01:42.25 | bhundven | jbrimble: then `mkdir /etc/mysql/ssl` |
| 01:42.26 | [UBV]Joe | such as> |
| 01:42.28 | TGoC | Debian has different versions |
| 01:42.28 | [UBV]Joe | ? |
| 01:42.33 | doub | Ozymandias: as to how to rebuild it, i must admit debian's initrd handling is quite difficult to understand, i can't help here |
| 01:42.34 | [UBV]Joe | 3.1 |
| 01:42.35 | TGoC | Debian Sarge / Debian Woody etc |
| 01:42.38 | Roses | isn't it supposed to be on /dev/psaus (PS/2) |
| 01:42.38 | bhundven | jbrimble: then put your certs in there |
| 01:42.41 | [UBV]Joe | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 |
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| 01:42.43 | jbrimble | ah, i see |
| 01:42.44 | beardy | !tell [UBV]Joe -about grounding |
| 01:42.46 | abrotman | !enter |
| 01:42.46 | Roses | sorry, /dev/psaux |
| 01:42.47 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 01:42.48 | dvs_ | Roses: /dev/psaux |
| 01:42.55 | TGoC | Also specify what kind of manual: Installation or use of the OS |
| 01:42.58 | dvs_ | Roses: or /dev/input/mice |
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| 01:43.48 | Ozymandias | doub: once i ge the node created i can get the initrd made, it is the making of the node that is the problem |
| 01:44.03 | bhundven | use of debian: `man man`, `man intro`, http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 01:44.12 | beardy | [UBV]Joe: As I said, you want the i386 one. The i386 one is the one you want, click on i386. |
| 01:44.26 | bhundven | isntalling debian: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 01:44.31 | bhundven | *installing |
| 01:44.50 | [UBV]Joe | where do you see i386? |
| 01:44.57 | [UBV]Joe | Intel x86? |
| 01:44.59 | bhundven | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
| 01:45.10 | Roses | in my kdm.log I get "cannot open device" no matter if I specify /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice in xorg.conf - it is a standard PS/2 mouse - what could be wrong here? |
| 01:45.12 | [UBV]Joe | k |
| 01:45.18 | TGoC | try http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/hppa/index.html.en @ [UBV]Joe |
| 01:45.23 | beardy | [UBV]Joe: But of course it's called "Intel x86" there, that is what you want. ;) |
| 01:45.36 | [UBV]Joe | i got the link now.. thank you |
| 01:45.38 | TGoC | you have an ... processor? |
| 01:45.44 | bhundven | x is a place holder for numbers from 3 - 6 |
| 01:45.46 | doub | Ozymandias: mknod is your friend. see the regular /dev entry for major and minor number, "ls -l /dev/hdc5", and "mknod b <MAJOR> <MINOR> <file>" |
| 01:45.48 | rav | beardy do i need to reinstall alsa? |
| 01:45.56 | beardy | rav: No. |
| 01:45.56 | blazefx | ! |
| 01:45.58 | bhundven | so it also covers 686, 586, 486, 386... |
| 01:45.58 | abrotman | !tell Maliuta about away |
| 01:46.07 | bhundven | and variants |
| 01:46.11 | doub | Ozymandias: you might want to do the same for the whole /dev/hdc* too, just in case |
| 01:46.25 | dvs_ | bhundven: You can upgrade after you install |
| 01:46.30 | bhundven | word |
| 01:46.33 | rav | beardy how can i make it see my card? |
| 01:46.34 | beardy | !alsa 2.6 |
| 01:46.34 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 01:46.35 | TGoC | or 80 @ bhundven |
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| 01:46.59 | rav | dpkg thanks |
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| 01:46.59 | dpkg | de rien, rav |
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| 01:47.05 | bhundven | TGoC: I'd like to see you install debian on an 8086, 80186, or 80286... |
| 01:47.06 | BiRD | fuck me, trying to get my wireless card working I managed to stop my normal ethernet from even pinging |
| 01:47.21 | TGoC | bhundven never say it's impossible ;) |
| 01:47.27 | RobBarton | Without switching the whole computer to it, is there a way to get the dovecot package from testing, and have it keep updated? |
| 01:47.32 | MatBoy|zZzZz | biovore, I don't want to fuck you |
| 01:47.33 | RobBarton | While keeping the rest of the computer stable |
| 01:47.43 | BiRD | oops, nvm its working :) :) |
| 01:47.46 | bhundven | I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU INSTALL DEBIAN ON AN 8086, 80186, OR 80286... |
| 01:47.51 | MatBoy|zZzZz | BiRD, I don't want to fuck you |
| 01:47.51 | abrotman | RobBarton: why? |
| 01:47.51 | bobcat | hi |
| 01:47.55 | bhundven | I say never |
| 01:47.55 | Roses | is it a bad idea to go back to xserver-xfree86 from xserver-xorg ? |
| 01:47.55 | abrotman | bhundven: elks |
| 01:47.57 | abrotman | !win me |
| 01:47.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 01:48.00 | RobBarton | abrotman, Because I need dovecot 1.0 |
| 01:48.00 | bhundven | bleh |
| 01:48.01 | beardy | rav: When someone tells you to "/msg dpkg something" It means you should type that in your irc client, it means to ask dpkg about a factoid, some information, in a private message. |
| 01:48.06 | abrotman | RobBarton: shared imap? |
| 01:48.07 | abrotman | !elks |
| 01:48.07 | dpkg | elks is, like, at http://elks.sourceforge.net |
| 01:48.08 | RobBarton | abrotman, stable is 0.99 |
| 01:48.18 | abrotman | bhundven: you asked how . i showed you |
| 01:48.18 | blazefx | lol |
| 01:48.23 | bhundven | go home and play with your PIC card |
| 01:48.24 | Systemadmin | anyones isp blocking smtp on 25? |
| 01:48.26 | abrotman | RobBarton: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 01:48.35 | abrotman | bhundven: don't be mad cause you're wrong :) |
| 01:48.35 | [UBV]Joe | whats the easiest distro of linux to install? |
| 01:48.38 | beardy | Systemadmin: Yes. |
| 01:48.39 | bhundven | lol |
| 01:48.46 | doub | bhundven: i guess there would be some sort of ressource constraints then |
| 01:48.49 | Systemadmin | beardy : how you get around this? |
| 01:48.53 | TGoC | [UBV]Joe woody for sure... |
| 01:48.57 | beardy | !anyone |
| 01:48.57 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 01:48.58 | *** part/#debian bowman (n=bowman@e182063054.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 01:49.03 | bhundven | I wish you could see my face. I'm far from mad. I'm laughing my ass off |
| 01:49.04 | TGoC | Sarge offers problems from time to time ^^ |
| 01:49.12 | abrotman | bhundven: but i'm still right :) |
| 01:49.13 | TGoC | bhundven i doubt i want to... ;) |
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| 01:49.20 | RobBarton | abrotman, I'm sorry, I'm still confused. |
| 01:49.24 | abrotman | bhundven: though .. i doubt it would be anywhere remotely close to fun |
| 01:49.27 | [UBV]Joe | is that the easiest installation of Debian? |
| 01:49.29 | puff | Is there any way to see what apt may have touched? |
| 01:49.30 | [UBV]Joe | or any distro of linux? |
| 01:49.30 | abrotman | !tell RobBarton about simple sid backport |
| 01:49.31 | bhundven | you win have some popcorn |
| 01:49.36 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 01:49.38 | BiRD | MatBoy|zZzZz: here is my pic: http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/data/media/2/neat_makeover.jpg |
| 01:49.42 | abrotman | I NEVER GET THE DAMN PONY |
| 01:49.43 | puff | My resolv.conf is mysteriosuly empty all of a sudden. |
| 01:49.44 | RobBarton | abrotman, And, that doesn't help. |
| 01:49.47 | bhundven | hehehe |
| 01:49.49 | abrotman | RobBarton: why not? |
| 01:49.50 | stew | !pony abrotman |
| 01:49.53 | dvs_ | !prize me |
| 01:49.53 | beardy | Systemadmin: Do you mean it blocks incoming connections to your box's port 25? |
| 01:49.54 | puff | With a dec 7 2005 modification date. |
| 01:49.58 | dvs_ | Doh! |
| 01:50.06 | RobBarton | abrotman, Because I wish I knew what that meant. |
| 01:50.10 | Roses | is it a bad idea to go back to xserver-xfree86 from xserver-xorg to get my mouse working again after an upgrade? |
| 01:50.11 | HeyJoe | [UBV]Joe: my noob vote goes for debian, and i've tried a few of em |
| 01:50.11 | abrotman | dvs_: azeem is the only one who gets ponies |
| 01:50.12 | bhundven | l8r all |
| 01:50.22 | Systemadmin | beardy : my webserver is over seas, and the have blocked port 25 here inthe us |
| 01:50.22 | stew | !prize azeem |
| 01:50.25 | [UBV]Joe | what part of debian? |
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| 01:50.29 | TGoC | !stop using dpkg for beer... it ain't even real beer like i have in my hand... |
| 01:50.29 | nrdb | I am thinking of connecting a little micro to my computer I thought I would use slip (or something simular) to do this can anyone here recommend a package ? |
| 01:50.35 | MatBoy|zZzZz | BiRD, Oh damn, that makes me soooo Horny !! Normally I only want to have sex with Tux, but for now... |
| 01:50.35 | abrotman | RobBarton: it pretty much spells it out for you |
| 01:50.45 | BiRD | lol |
| 01:50.51 | MatBoy|zZzZz | :) |
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| 01:51.13 | MatBoy|zZzZz | OK, but I'm going to sleep and slam my Tux a little bit ;) |
| 01:51.17 | TGoC | http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/data/media/2/neat_makeover.jpg <-0- damn, if you really look like that you are worse then micheal jackson >_> |
| 01:51.24 | MatBoy|zZzZz | who he likes it :) |
| 01:51.24 | [UBV]Joe | I have Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 |
| 01:51.27 | [UBV]Joe | on my cd |
| 01:51.27 | bobcat | need help |
| 01:51.32 | TGoC | MatBoy|zZzZz leave tux out of your sick fantasy's |
| 01:51.34 | dcode | My debconf installation is jacked, and when I download an update...it can't configure itself to fix it...can someone help me? |
| 01:51.40 | beardy | Systemadmin: Ask your ISP how to do what you want. |
| 01:51.42 | RobBarton | Without switching the whole computer to it, is there a way to get the dovecot package from testing, and have it keep updated? |
| 01:51.46 | BiRD | matboy has a special place for me |
| 01:51.54 | TGoC | dcode reinstall? ^^ |
| 01:51.58 | Systemadmin | beardy : they are unwillign to help me, since i dont have a business account |
| 01:52.03 | abrotman | RobBarton: i just told you |
| 01:52.05 | MatBoy|zZzZz | TGoC, haha, you just want to join me so you don't have to make your own Tux dirty :p |
| 01:52.15 | RobBarton | abrotman, No. You made dpkg tell me, and I have NO CLUE what it's saying! |
| 01:52.17 | dcode | TGoC: reinstall everything? reinstall debconf? |
| 01:52.22 | puff | Where does sudo log to? I don't see /var/log/sudoers... no occurrence of "sudo" in /var/log/syslog. |
| 01:52.26 | TGoC | just reinstall debconf dcode |
| 01:52.30 | abrotman | !simple sid backport |
| 01:52.31 | dpkg | simple sid backport is probably 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 01:52.33 | RobBarton | ... |
| 01:52.34 | TGoC | and if you get testing errors |
| 01:52.36 | abrotman | RobBarton: what part don't you understand ? |
| 01:52.41 | beardy | Systemadmin: Try to asnwer my question then, do they block you from running an smtp server, or do they block your attempts to connect somewhere, to port 25? |
| 01:52.43 | TGoC | remove testing from your source list and use a stable one... |
| 01:52.45 | Gnea | TGoC: please stop trolling. |
| 01:52.52 | TGoC | Gnea please stop loving me ;) |
| 01:53.00 | abrotman | TGoC: come on .. stop it |
| 01:53.01 | Gnea | you are wrong. |
| 01:53.09 | RobBarton | abrotman, sid? |
| 01:53.11 | Systemadmin | beardy : they block my attempts |
| 01:53.12 | TGoC | abrotman because you ask it that lovely... |
| 01:53.17 | MatBoy|zZzZz | TGoC, please stop slamming my Tux, you are going too far !! |
| 01:53.20 | Systemadmin | beardy : to connect to mine |
| 01:53.21 | abrotman | RobBarton: it's the unstable version of debian |
| 01:53.24 | abrotman | !info dovecot sid |
| 01:53.24 | [UBV]Joe | so debian is the easiest to install? |
| 01:53.31 | dcode | :-( that doesn't really help my present problem tho |
| 01:53.32 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 01:53.35 | TGoC | MatBoy|zZzZz Tux rules, sick fantasy's don't. get the point... |
| 01:53.40 | Gnea | [UBV]Joe: it has ease, that doesn't make it the easiest |
| 01:53.44 | deadcat | Joe, not the easiest |
| 01:53.48 | [UBV]Joe | whats the easiest. |
| 01:53.51 | dcode | even if I revert to an older version of debconf...it still can't reconfigure itself |
| 01:53.51 | MatBoy|zZzZz | TGoC, damn, you have a sick life :p |
| 01:53.54 | [UBV]Joe | I do not need to run much. |
| 01:53.57 | deadcat | joe suse |
| 01:54.08 | abrotman | RobBarton: you would edit your sources .. add a source for deb-src for sid .. then get the source package and build it |
| 01:54.15 | TGoC | MatBoy|zZzZz my physical state at this time is indeed being sick yes... :) |
| 01:54.24 | Roses | is there a way to detect the correct settings for my mouse in xorg.conf ? |
| 01:54.26 | dvs_ | TGoC: and bored |
| 01:54.26 | beardy | Systemadmin: I still don't understand in which way you mean they block, outgoing or incoming, but anyway, if they're stupid enough, just run it on another port. |
| 01:54.31 | Gnea | TGoC: then you don't need to be here. |
| 01:54.34 | TGoC | dvm1981 not really |
| 01:54.47 | TGoC | Ok, Gnea stop making me feel welcome... |
| 01:54.49 | deadcat | Roses: define correct.. you mean it works? |
| 01:54.49 | Roses | tried mdetect -x but it didn't respond with anything |
| 01:54.56 | dvm1981 | TGoC: ?? |
| 01:55.04 | MatBoy|zZzZz | TGoC, oh, you Linuxing too much.. you don't have any resistance anymore... been there, done that :) |
| 01:55.05 | Gnea | dvm1981: just /ignore |
| 01:55.14 | Roses | I mean something that can give me a clue to what I should write in xorg.conf |
| 01:55.17 | rav | dpkg i downloaded the new alsa, ran the alsaconf and it didn't detect my soundcard |
| 01:55.26 | TGoC | dvm198 taberror i ment dvs_ |
| 01:55.28 | [UBV]Joe | what would i need? |
| 01:55.35 | [UBV]Joe | x86 or x86-64? |
| 01:55.38 | deadcat | Roses: usually /dev/input/mice if thats what you asking |
| 01:55.43 | [UBV]Joe | how would i find out? |
| 01:55.43 | beardy | [UBV]Joe: You just have to press Enter and come up with a good root password, what's hard? |
| 01:55.44 | deadcat | joe what do you have? |
| 01:55.55 | [UBV]Joe | ? |
| 01:55.56 | Roses | ya, and I have tried that but I get a "device cannot be read" |
| 01:55.58 | TGoC | MatBoy|zZzZz i don't even use linux as workstation only for server use |
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| 01:56.01 | Gnea | [UBV]Joe: is that a laptop of desktop/ |
| 01:56.05 | Gnea | er, or |
| 01:56.05 | [UBV]Joe | laptop |
| 01:56.08 | deadcat | joe if you dont know what hardware you have, maybe you shouldnt be using linux |
| 01:56.10 | [UBV]Joe | i'm working on downloading the SUSE |
| 01:56.21 | Gnea | [UBV]Joe: which laptop? |
| 01:56.22 | deadcat | joe the laptop has stickers on it right? |
| 01:56.23 | MatBoy|zZzZz | TGoC, also @ that point... been there, done that :) |
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| 01:56.26 | TGoC | Big difference wether you run something on linux then if you run it on windows |
| 01:56.26 | [UBV]Joe | yeah |
| 01:56.30 | [UBV]Joe | HP Pavilion ze4500 |
| 01:56.31 | dvm1981 | [UBV]Joe: Try an Knoppix man, Debian bassed! |
| 01:56.39 | godmachine81 | can someone here help me.. i have a frustrating problem with my flash plugin.. the damn font is too small to read... how do you edit the font sizes for your flashplayer?? |
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| 01:56.47 | TGoC | dvm1981 try ubuntu, more fun ^^ |
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| 01:57.10 | [UBV]Joe | I'm just going to get SUSE |
| 01:57.15 | deadcat | godmachine81: screenshot how messed up the fonts are. |
| 01:57.18 | MatBoy|zZzZz | TGoC, go to sleep,you webserver will be online agaion tomorrow :p |
| 01:57.23 | godmachine81 | deadcat alrighty |
| 01:57.29 | deadcat | joe ya. suse is gui install. ubuntu is NOT.. |
| 01:57.32 | beardy | [UBV]Joe: Tell us what problems you have, exactly instead. |
| 01:57.39 | luite | is it possible to force a broadcom 5721 (gigabit pci express) nic to 10Mbps, even though it is connected to a gigabit switch? |
| 01:57.48 | [UBV]Joe | I just dont know which to download x86 or x86-64.. |
| 01:57.49 | abrotman | mii-tool or etherconf ? |
| 01:57.49 | MatBoy|zZzZz | yep |
| 01:57.50 | Gnea | [UBV]Joe: if you wish to shoot yourself in the foot, then go for it |
| 01:57.50 | beardy | [UBV]Joe: What does the screen say, and what you don't understand. |
| 01:57.55 | TGoC | MatBoy|zZzZz why? i'm finally having a little bit of fun here ^^ anyway i shall stop trolling before Gnea blows me... |
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| 01:57.58 | beardy | [UBV]Joe: x86 |
| 01:58.01 | [UBV]Joe | k |
| 01:58.03 | MatBoy|zZzZz | haha |
| 01:58.14 | MatBoy|zZzZz | TGoC, you can do a lot more on a day |
| 01:58.15 | [UBV]Joe | only 64mb :D |
| 01:58.19 | TGoC | So who is in need of some basic linux help? |
| 01:58.24 | abrotman | from you? |
| 01:58.30 | Roses | am I rigt that xorg is a replacement of xfree86 in sarge? (so I should not use the latter for x-server) |
| 01:58.40 | abrotman | Roses: xorg isn't in sarge |
| 01:58.44 | beardy | Roses: Not in sarge. |
| 01:58.48 | deadcat | Roses: no. |
| 01:58.49 | nevyn | TGoC: I need to know what sata controllers are supported by fedora core III |
| 01:58.49 | rav | dpkg? |
| 01:58.52 | TGoC | abrotman i know it seems impossible but you should never give up hope. |
| 01:59.06 | Roses | sorry, meant current testing |
| 01:59.07 | [UBV]Joe | does Suse have a built in partitioner? |
| 01:59.09 | TGoC | nevyn i don't like FC so don't ask me any redhat question again ^^ |
| 01:59.11 | beardy | nevyn: /join #fedora |
| 01:59.15 | TGoC | My advise, don't use it |
| 01:59.16 | dvm1981 | nevyn: You are on the wrong place here man |
| 01:59.16 | deadcat | Roses: ya. testing have xorg |
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| 01:59.22 | doub | luite: i've heard it's the job of mii<something>. there's a package starting by that name, IIRC |
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| 01:59.26 | alarmyst | hi |
| 01:59.47 | Roses | I read somewhere that it is going to be the only supported xserver for Debian (from the maintainers anyway) |
| 01:59.48 | centrx | Roses, xorg is newer and under more development, you should probably use it instead of xfree86 |
| 01:59.50 | beardy | [UBV]Joe: Have you booted the Debian Sarge installer? |
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| 01:59.59 | luite | doub: ok, tnx, I'll have a look |
| 02:00.03 | [UBV]Joe | not yet. |
| 02:00.06 | [UBV]Joe | im only downloading iso |
| 02:00.08 | TGoC | MatBoy|zZzZz try /quit, works better ;) |
| 02:00.10 | Roses | ok thanks - problem is - since I upgraded my mouse is gone - what to do? |
| 02:00.12 | rav | dpkg if alsaconf doesn't detect my soundcard, does that mean that i have to go oss? |
| 02:00.16 | nrdb | I am looking at getting two computers connected via the serial ports do I use slip for this? which package is it in? |
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| 02:00.19 | deadcat | [UBV]Joe: the netinstall is only 43MB |
| 02:00.20 | beardy | [UBV]Joe: Which iso are you downloading? |
| 02:00.25 | MatBoy|zZzZz | TGoC, nono... the channel has to be online :p |
| 02:00.26 | [UBV]Joe | 64mb |
| 02:00.33 | alarmyst | i have two digital still camera that can act as a webcam, but none of them seems to have a driver for, so im wondering what is a debian-compatible webcam ? |
| 02:00.34 | beardy | [UBV]Joe: The exact url? |
| 02:00.37 | [UBV]Joe | net install x86 |
| 02:00.38 | dvs | No, netinstall is 117MB |
| 02:00.39 | [UBV]Joe | um.. |
| 02:00.45 | TGoC | No it doesn't, now leave for i get your mother to remove you |
| 02:00.46 | [UBV]Joe | lemme get it again |
| 02:00.52 | deadcat | get the business card install. |
| 02:00.52 | dvs | busniess card is 43MB |
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| 02:01.02 | nevyn | nrdb: spend $20 and get network cards save yourself the hassle |
| 02:01.19 | [UBV]Joe | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.0-OSS/inst-source/boot/boot.iso |
| 02:01.20 | abrotman | !tell nrdb about search |
| 02:01.22 | Roses | it has to be my xorg.conf - how do I go back to xfree86 as default x server? |
| 02:01.30 | doub | rav: what kernel do you use ("uname -r" will tell you)? |
| 02:01.40 | deadcat | [UBV]Joe: looks about right. |
| 02:01.41 | abrotman | Roses: you really don't want to |
| 02:01.48 | [UBV]Joe | its 64MB |
| 02:01.49 | abrotman | Roses: what is your video card ? and which driver? |
| 02:02.00 | Roses | I have an old TNT Riva |
| 02:02.01 | rav | doub 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 02:02.08 | abrotman | Roses: and you chose the nv driver? |
| 02:02.10 | dvm1981 | [UBV]Joe: Ask on #suse |
| 02:02.15 | alarmyst | anyone here is using a webcam? |
| 02:02.20 | [UBV]Joe | im there.. |
| 02:02.24 | beardy | [UBV]Joe: .. this is Debian. If you want to install Debian, we will help you. |
| 02:02.25 | deadcat | alarmyst: just ask |
| 02:02.32 | Gnea | [UBV]Joe: http://richard.esplins.org/answers/laptop_answers.html |
| 02:02.35 | [UBV]Joe | well people were answering.. here still |
| 02:02.35 | godmachine81 | deadcat: http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=9695992874403af132ef93&p=screen |
| 02:02.49 | alarmyst | deadcat: isnt that what im doing ? :) |
| 02:02.51 | Roses | hmm not sure - I have been focused on the mouse since the video seems okay - could it be a conflict? |
| 02:02.53 | abrotman | [UBV]Joe: if you're going to install suse and not debian .. /part #debian |
| 02:03.04 | doub | rav: if your hardware is real new, you might want to try the newest alsa drivers ("m-a a-i alsa") and try alsaconf again. but that's just a 2c tip |
| 02:03.09 | dvm1981 | [UBV]Joe: An last thing go to 'linux on laptop' |
| 02:03.09 | deadcat | godmachine81: you mean the black text/white background? |
| 02:03.16 | TGoC | Gnea why did you had to pick a site with a screen with an Online dating site open.... |
| 02:03.18 | beardy | !d-i [UBV]Joe |
| 02:03.18 | dpkg | [UBV]Joe, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 02:03.19 | TuX_BuBling | ok starting to piss me off |
| 02:03.20 | TuX_BuBling | :/ |
| 02:03.24 | deadcat | !tell alarmyst about ask |
| 02:03.29 | abrotman | Roses: look for EE lines in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:03.32 | abrotman | YAY! |
| 02:03.42 | deadcat | alarmyst: and no one here use webcam. so we cant help ya |
| 02:03.46 | Roses | I did - it only mentions the mouse device |
| 02:03.49 | godmachine81 | deadcat: yes the text is too small |
| 02:03.59 | abrotman | Roses: what's the error ? |
| 02:03.59 | alarmyst | deadcat: oh, you want it that wat |
| 02:04.02 | alarmyst | way |
| 02:04.02 | rav | doub what is m-a a-i? |
| 02:04.13 | beardy | fuck.. |
| 02:04.14 | deadcat | alarmyst: you want it that way. not me |
| 02:04.16 | doub | rav: "module-assistant auto-install" in full |
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| 02:04.28 | Roses | "Device cannot be read" - no mater if I specify /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice |
| 02:04.31 | PowerPC | i got it working :) |
| 02:04.33 | beardy | why bother.. |
| 02:04.37 | abrotman | Roses: what kind of mouse is it? |
| 02:04.43 | Roses | PS/2 |
| 02:04.48 | doub | rav: that would download and install the newest alsa drivers |
| 02:04.52 | abrotman | did you load the psmouse module? or mousedev ? |
| 02:04.55 | deadcat | godmachine81: maybe thats preset fonts? i dont know about flash. |
| 02:05.06 | Roses | no I am not familiar with these |
| 02:05.17 | godmachine81 | deadcat: no its a default font thats used by the flash plugin... |
| 02:05.29 | Roses | anything that could help me "detect", "probe" whatever would be nice |
| 02:05.36 | dvs | Roses: Then modprobe them as root |
| 02:05.41 | doub | rav: you're using sarge? |
| 02:05.46 | rav | doub: yes |
| 02:05.48 | Roses | even a trial and error thing - doesit it work now y/n etc hehe |
| 02:05.49 | deadcat | godmachine81: check the gmail settings and the firefox settings.. |
| 02:06.04 | godmachine81 | its the most aggrovating thing i have seen in linux.... it works fine under any other OS.. but for some reason the fonts are too small on flash in linux |
| 02:06.12 | Roses | ok how do I modprobe them as root? (never fiddled with this before) |
| 02:06.16 | doub | rav: so, i guess i've talked a bit too fast, that might not prove usefull. how old is your sound hardware? |
| 02:06.17 | godmachine81 | gmail? |
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| 02:06.20 | stoned | deadcat, I saw you screenshot last night. thats too much eye candy for me personally but it was nice. I meant to say something about it last night but I forgot |
| 02:06.21 | godmachine81 | thats not a gmail site |
| 02:06.26 | godmachine81 | i don't use gmail |
| 02:06.28 | deadcat | godmachine81: thats linux. theres always something to piss at. |
| 02:06.32 | abrotman | WhoreBot: hello |
| 02:06.34 | Woosta | Anyone want to reccomend a useful command-line real audio streaming player? I want something in apt, so mplayer is out .. |
| 02:06.39 | stoned | deadcat, I love family guy |
| 02:06.40 | rav | doub: hp ze2000 bought last september |
| 02:06.42 | abrotman | stupid bot |
| 02:06.43 | TGoC | Gmail speaks for itself to be pronounced as Gaymail |
| 02:06.47 | deadcat | stoned: thanks. HAHAHAH. |
| 02:06.49 | godmachine81 | deadcat: i have already checked my firefox settings several times |
| 02:06.50 | abrotman | TGoC: SHUT THE FUCK UP |
| 02:06.58 | abrotman | worthless bag of water |
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| 02:07.01 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@s559230dd.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:07.01 | *** part/#debian TGoC (n=i@s559230dd.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 02:07.01 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:07.05 | godmachine81 | deadcat: i use a fixed font for firefox.. it doesnt affect the flash plugin though |
| 02:07.06 | dvs | abrotman: the language!!! |
| 02:07.06 | alarmyst | hi, im using debian etch with a 2.6.15 generic kernel on a celeron 2ghz 256 mb nvidia 128 im trying to use a Tinio Che-Ez or and Atiger DSC790 both are non-common hardware that are supposed to be able to act as a webcam, is there a way to make working such hardware under linux ? |
| 02:07.14 | Gnea | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 02:07.19 | deadcat | stoned: "hey brenda, what you got for me? coffee? damn thats a nice ass.. did i say that out loud? i dont care, i want them to hear!" hahah |
| 02:07.21 | abrotman | dvs: i know .. but he's been going on for like an hour .. and days otherwise |
| 02:07.34 | stoned | deadcat, man that movie was a CLASSIC |
| 02:07.37 | abrotman | dvs: and he was apparently drunk |
| 02:07.48 | deadcat | stoned: true true... |
| 02:07.49 | stoned | deadcat, I still wish to se lois hentai |
| 02:07.50 | dvs | abrotman: Ah. He must be programming then. ;-) |
| 02:07.53 | stoned | etc. |
| 02:08.03 | stoned | just for the hell of it, its a cartoon milf man, you know |
| 02:08.04 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:08.09 | deadcat | stoned: hahaha. lois is one crazy slut for sure. |
| 02:08.13 | abrotman | dvs: or his mother didn't love him |
| 02:08.17 | raf256[laptop] | woo hoo |
| 02:08.17 | dvs | ahahahahahah |
| 02:08.21 | stoned | but anyway, I am trying to find a mouse gestures plugin for konq. |
| 02:08.26 | stoned | i can't seem to find anything on the web |
| 02:08.32 | stoned | does anyone know if there isone? |
| 02:08.33 | godmachine81 | i wonder if i edit the libflashplayer.so file i can change the font? |
| 02:08.34 | raf256[laptop] | my new debian server booted, after floppies-installation |
| 02:08.37 | alarmyst | in fact i just want to know what is a working webcam for linux and ill buy it |
| 02:08.40 | beardy | !lose stoned |
| 02:08.40 | dpkg | stoned: You Lose. |
| 02:08.45 | stoned | raf256[laptop], congrats |
| 02:08.56 | stoned | beardy, damn that sucks, and i had just uninstalled firefox |
| 02:08.56 | deadcat | stoned: i am using a new icon theme http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/thunar.png |
| 02:09.05 | raf256[laptop] | after first reboot (now I should download packets from net) can I continue via sshd from another box connected to the installing one? |
| 02:09.05 | abrotman | yay .. now he's messaging me .. he thinks i kicked him |
| 02:09.10 | raf256[laptop] | stoned: \o/ |
| 02:09.19 | dvs | sucker! |
| 02:09.26 | stoned | nice |
| 02:09.36 | stoned | can't wait for thunar/xfc4.4 |
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| 02:09.44 | raf256[laptop] | after first reboot (now I should download most of system and install via dpkg) can I continue to do that via ssh? |
| 02:09.44 | rav | doub: on windows, it says my sound card is a conexant ac-link. lspci reads it as an ati |
| 02:09.48 | stoned | the svn is nice though |
| 02:09.57 | doub | rav: i guess the alsa drivers in sarge won't help then. you might want to upgrade your system to etch, which is mostly ok for desktop use |
| 02:09.58 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 02:09.59 | raf256[laptop] | indeed svn is nice |
| 02:10.00 | deadcat | stoned: i am using the one from sid. |
| 02:10.01 | godmachine81 | ya all like xfce pretty well? |
| 02:10.06 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: did you install ssh ? |
| 02:10.11 | stoned | hell yeah |
| 02:10.17 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: after first reboot into new debian... hm I was not asked yet to install it |
| 02:10.18 | dvs | hells yeah |
| 02:10.19 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: you mean the base-config? |
| 02:10.27 | stoned | only reason I run kde is becasue of the usefull apps and how they link together |
| 02:10.37 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: try to ssh into it .. |
| 02:10.38 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: teh base config is installed, system rebooted into debian; there are no users yet |
| 02:10.40 | godmachine81 | doub: it would probably be better to use sid instead.. |
| 02:11.01 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: then you didn't do the base-config .. it asks you to add a user |
| 02:11.14 | raf256[laptop] | ok |
| 02:11.33 | doub | godmachine81: well, i've been using sid for quite some time, and it's gotten really boring lately to do real work on it, due to all the transitions. but YMMV |
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| 02:11.57 | stoned | no such thing un hackable |
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| 02:12.05 | dvs | no kidding |
| 02:12.09 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: Turn it off and remove the battery then. |
| 02:12.17 | raf256[laptop] | stoned: feel free to hack this box (it should be ready in 2 months) |
| 02:12.18 | abrotman | curt: get it fixed? |
| 02:12.21 | raf256[laptop] | beardy: you too |
| 02:12.21 | stoned | only thing unhackagle is that which doesn't exist |
| 02:12.28 | raf256[laptop] | I think I will put a price of 500 usd on that |
| 02:12.34 | rav | doub: how do i upgrade to etch? |
| 02:12.37 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: ... |
| 02:12.44 | dvs | stoned: No, one that is unplugged. |
| 02:12.49 | raf256[laptop] | beardy: I will update the info once server is ready |
| 02:12.51 | stoned | raf256[laptop], the difficulty rating doesn't matter, it can be hacked |
| 02:12.55 | stoned | dvs, local exploits |
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| 02:13.01 | dvs | ??? |
| 02:13.07 | dvs | stoned: hack SAW? |
| 02:13.08 | rouzo | what's the command to change and existing ext2 fs to a ext3 one? |
| 02:13.10 | raf256[laptop] | pluged to inet, with shell account, ability to run any program you upload, and root password will have 3 letters |
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| 02:13.19 | stoned | dvs, even if its unwired, locally it can be exploited or hacked |
| 02:13.32 | stoned | dvs, if it is powered off even, it can still be broken into |
| 02:13.41 | stoned | dvs, thus, nothing is unhackable |
| 02:13.46 | doub | rav: you just have to replace "sarge" or "stable" references in /etc/apt/sources.list to "etch", and then "apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade", and have a beer. and a second one. and... well, you know the rest. |
| 02:14.03 | raf256[laptop] | try to stop any service it is running (Well aside from DoS or terrorist attack on my nearest power plant), or read a /home/secret/foo.txt file, or install a rootkit - 500 bucks |
| 02:14.04 | dvs | rav: But you can't go back if you run into trouble |
| 02:14.21 | raf256[laptop] | kidnapping me also is not allowable =) |
| 02:14.43 | abrotman | how about i just take your HDD out and put it in my machine? |
| 02:14.46 | stoned | terrorism is not low |
| 02:14.56 | stoned | its a form of warfare |
| 02:14.59 | stoned | how do you put rules on war |
| 02:15.00 | stoned | ? |
| 02:15.03 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: only informatics attacks |
| 02:15.05 | stoned | anyway |
| 02:15.18 | raf256[laptop] | no phisical attacks etc =) |
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| 02:15.33 | xerophyte | say for example your server has 2 drive . the server currently online using the boot partition on the /dev/sda .. is there anyway to switch the server to boot with boot /dev/sdb without going into the bios |
| 02:15.35 | rav | doub and dvs: i kind of had the same deal with my video card. windows says it is also a conexant, lspci saw it as an ATI. i downloaded the ATI drivers for it and it worked |
| 02:15.38 | raf256[laptop] | sending in Spetznatz is cheating as well |
| 02:15.38 | rouzo | what's the command to change and existing ext2 fs to a ext3 one? |
| 02:15.56 | stoned | rouzo, good question |
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| 02:16.12 | rouzo | stoned, how about a good answer then? |
| 02:16.18 | \amethyst | rouzo: tune2fs |
| 02:16.25 | \amethyst | rouzo: look for -j in the man page |
| 02:16.25 | dvs | !tell rouzo -about ext2->ext3 |
| 02:16.26 | stoned | rouzo, btw, you can't undelete on ext3, thats the only reaso i keep my /home in ext2 |
| 02:16.38 | dvm1981 | xerophyte: Some BIOS have an option (by my F11) to choose the boot device |
| 02:16.54 | dvm1981 | xerophyte: Without going into the BIOS. |
| 02:17.38 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:17.38 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:17.39 | doub | stoned: that's strange for a journaled fs. shouldn't it be even easier for them to roll back the journal? (just wondering, i don't use ext*) |
| 02:17.41 | rouzo | \amethyst, dvs, thanks for the good answer. |
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| 02:18.15 | \amethyst | doub: in ext3 deleting a file wipes certain information in the inode |
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| 02:18.27 | \amethyst | doub: which e2undel relies upon to recover files |
| 02:18.33 | stoned | doub, I am not familiar with how FS works. I only know this because I've tried. I lost some important documents from an ext3 partition and was unable to delete them, upon searching I discovered this here fact |
| 02:18.45 | stoned | undelete them* |
| 02:19.07 | eyedol59 | can anybody tell me in which installation CD of Debian SArge is the x-system? |
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| 02:19.28 | beardy | eyedol59: Probably the first. |
| 02:19.38 | flipmcf | if not, the second |
| 02:19.51 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 02:19.51 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 02:20.10 | joel | Is there a better forum for hardware type questions, or will here work? |
| 02:20.21 | abrotman | #hardware? |
| 02:20.25 | beardy | !searchjigdo |
| 02:20.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, searchjigdo is http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search |
| 02:20.27 | beardy | ah |
| 02:21.02 | godmachine81 | deadcat: check this out... go to the usability section of this page... answered my Q.. http://www.stlwebdev.org/resources/articles/flash_usability.shtml |
| 02:21.06 | godmachine81 | That SUX! |
| 02:21.18 | eyedol59 | how could i find out in which CD the x-system is? |
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| 02:21.31 | dvs | eyedol59: you got your answer |
| 02:21.32 | beardy | eyedol59: See what abrotman had dpkg tell you. |
| 02:21.34 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 02:21.34 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 02:21.43 | godmachine81 | anyone testing Gnome 2.13 (2.14 beta)?? |
| 02:21.58 | doub | !anyone |
| 02:21.58 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 02:22.08 | godmachine81 | !whocares |
| 02:22.14 | deadcat | godmachine81: dude. tahts alot of reading for me.. i barely enjoy reading man pages. |
| 02:22.18 | beardy | !botabuse |
| 02:22.18 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 02:22.25 | dvs | !shut up |
| 02:22.25 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 02:22.33 | godmachine81 | deadcat here ill just copy and paste it.. its not a very long sentence |
| 02:22.40 | eyedol59 | sorry i did not see it :) |
| 02:22.46 | raf256[laptop] | dpkg: Bender! |
| 02:22.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, bender is a robot that was in the greate FUTURAMA tv series |
| 02:22.48 | raf256[laptop] | !futurama |
| 02:22.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, futurama is a series by matt groening. |
| 02:22.55 | godmachine81 | Flash doesn't allow (AFAIK) the user to resize fonts in order to make them larger or smaller (as one might do with the font button or preferences in IE or Netscape). |
| 02:23.01 | raf256[laptop] | !leyla |
| 02:23.01 | flipmcf | !hookers and blow |
| 02:23.03 | raf256[laptop] | !fry |
| 02:23.17 | deadcat | godmachine81: so its flash's fault. |
| 02:23.18 | flipmcf | (you killed it!) |
| 02:23.19 | raf256[laptop] | !zoidberg |
| 02:23.19 | dpkg | methinks zoidberg is dr. Zoidberg - one of best doctors ever on earth. See also: futurama, or a hidious person |
| 02:23.28 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: Stop that. |
| 02:23.31 | godmachine81 | yea.. dont guess there is anything i can do |
| 02:23.51 | deadcat | godmachine81: stop complaining you have flash working.. i DONT have flash on my ppc (= |
| 02:23.52 | rouzo | in kernel config, amount the filesystems ext2, ext3 and Reisfer, can i choose more than one? |
| 02:23.54 | raf256[laptop] | beardy: I'm an expert on human, young lady. now, all hail the hypnotoad |
| 02:23.58 | flipmcf | !meth |
| 02:23.58 | dpkg | i guess meth is better then coffee. no worse. no, better. worse! better! worse! better! worse! better! worse! WORSE!!! |
| 02:24.00 | godmachine81 | lol |
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| 02:24.09 | rouzo | i mean among, not amount |
| 02:24.28 | curt | abrotman, no, sorry logged in to talk to dpkg (my friend) |
| 02:24.44 | godmachine81 | !dope |
| 02:24.44 | dpkg | hmm... dope is ot u |
| 02:24.57 | curt | abrotman, I didn't have a netinst cd so I am at work making one |
| 02:24.59 | abrotman | !love curt |
| 02:25.03 | godmachine81 | dope is Better! |
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| 02:25.21 | doub | rouzo: you can have as many as you want, the only problem is to have the ones for your actual file systems compiled, if you want to access them |
| 02:25.43 | curt | abrotman, I think I can just use the netinst cd and use that shell to copy my /lib folder back |
| 02:25.54 | curt | abrotman, will that work as easy as it sounds? |
| 02:26.18 | godmachine81 | out of curiosity how many people in here are using sarge vs sid?? |
| 02:26.24 | rouzo | doub, if i choose all three, wouldn't all of them be compiled? |
| 02:26.34 | abrotman | curt: if you're really lucky |
| 02:26.40 | abrotman | godmachine81: you forgot etch |
| 02:26.40 | TuX_BuBling | i'm tryig to use etch :D |
| 02:26.50 | Coweater | godmachine81: there are 700+ people here, don't take surveys please |
| 02:26.56 | beardy | !poll |
| 02:26.56 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 02:26.58 | godmachine81 | is there much diff in etch? |
| 02:27.11 | godmachine81 | 700 people may be here but all 700 arent alive... |
| 02:27.33 | ke6isf | godmachine81: That doesn't give a good reason to take a poll. We have rules about that, you know. |
| 02:27.34 | godmachine81 | etch is between sarge and sid right? |
| 02:27.41 | ke6isf | godmachine81: Yes,it is. |
| 02:27.43 | MatBoy|zZzZz | yep |
| 02:27.53 | beardy | !tell godmachine81 -about releases |
| 02:27.56 | MatBoy|zZzZz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.58 | godmachine81 | im not taking a poll |
| 02:28.05 | beardy | godmachine81: You were. |
| 02:28.08 | godmachine81 | i was asking the people that are actually talking in here a question |
| 02:28.09 | doub | rouzo: they will, if you've so chosen. but take care to either have your root file system compiled in (not as a module), or build an initrd |
| 02:28.27 | godmachine81 | anyway forget it |
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| 02:30.33 | doub | godmachine81: size doesn't matter, you know. sarge is stable, it's good for servers and other environments where you don't want trouble, sid is good for development platforms. there is always a right tool for the job |
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| 02:31.06 | godmachine81 | size?? who said anything about the size? |
| 02:31.19 | rouzo | i have this problem on boot-up after installing a new kernel. --VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0).-- What could this be due to? |
| 02:31.39 | dvs | rouzo: The IDE controller or filesystem is not compiled into the kernel |
| 02:31.40 | rav | doub: does the sound card has to show up in /dev/ so alsaconf can find it? |
| 02:31.41 | godmachine81 | I'm using sid.... it doesnt seem very buggy to me.. |
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| 02:31.55 | doub | godmachine81: you've been asking "how many people". that sounds like a size problem ;) |
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| 02:32.35 | godmachine81 | i was just curious to know peoples opinion on sarge vs etch vs sid.. |
| 02:32.48 | godmachine81 | as far as usability combined with stability |
| 02:32.55 | dvs | godmachine81: If you don't know what you're doing, use sarge. |
| 02:32.59 | dvs | period |
| 02:33.11 | rouzo | dvs, i suspect the filesystem. in the kernel, i have choosen ext2,ext3 and Reisfer. how to ensure that they are 'compiled into the kernel'? |
| 02:33.15 | godmachine81 | well i havent used sarge since probably last july |
| 02:33.28 | godmachine81 | and i havent had any problems... |
| 02:33.37 | Coweater | rouzo: they will have a * next to them instead of an M (module) |
| 02:33.41 | godmachine81 | i dont think there are many debian users that "dont know what they are doing".... |
| 02:33.53 | Coweater | godmachine81: you don't hang out here much do you? |
| 02:33.54 | godmachine81 | debian isnt a beginners linux.. |
| 02:34.03 | godmachine81 | yea... i just dont care to spit the truth out |
| 02:34.06 | beardy | godmachine81: You have obviously joined #debian today. |
| 02:34.10 | rouzo | Coweater, i see, that is definitely the problem. I have M instead of *. Thks a lot. |
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| 02:34.28 | dvs | !wayc rouzo |
| 02:34.29 | dpkg | rouzo: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 02:34.39 | doub | godmachine81: well, try to use sid on a server, it's a good way to generate revenue if you're paid on maintenance time ;) |
| 02:35.00 | rouzo | dvs, talk to u later. |
| 02:35.09 | dvs | see ya |
| 02:35.18 | dvm1981 | doub: You just see the money money money! |
| 02:35.29 | godmachine81 | doub: i wouldnt use an unstable release for production.. that would be stupid.. i am not running a business of my own.. i run sid soley for personal use.. |
| 02:36.02 | doub | godmachine81: that's just why i said there's a right tool for each job |
| 02:36.30 | ggeecko | can someone suggest a site with some good tutorials |
| 02:36.40 | godmachine81 | ggeecko: tutorials for what? |
| 02:37.01 | GoAuLd | !tell ggeecko tutorials |
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| 02:37.09 | abrotman | !tell ggeecko about grounding |
| 02:37.32 | rouzo | dvs, the 'build |
| 02:37.34 | TuX_BuBling | ok one question |
| 02:37.41 | TuX_BuBling | when you build a kernel |
| 02:37.44 | raf256[laptop] | I have a local PC in lan @ 192.168.1.5 having apt-cacher on potr 9999, how to tell installed debian to use that? |
| 02:37.50 | TuX_BuBling | do you use initrd? |
| 02:37.54 | dvs | TuX_BuBling: I don't |
| 02:37.55 | raf256[laptop] | switch to other console and edit sources.list by hand? |
| 02:37.57 | rouzo | dvs, sorry, the 'build' is required for some non-debian software. |
| 02:38.08 | dvs | rouzo: ok |
| 02:38.20 | doub | rav: that would be the contrary, actually. if alsa loads successfully, an entry would appear in /dev (assuming you use udev). but it's not required for the driver, only by the sound playing software |
| 02:38.27 | TuX_BuBling | dvs, do you use soft raid? |
| 02:38.40 | dvs | TuX_BuBling: Nope |
| 02:38.49 | TuX_BuBling | k |
| 02:39.01 | litage | hey guys, i've created a writer document that's got tables within tables within tables, and is 34 pages in total. when i edit certain parts of the document, OO locks up and i have to kill the process. any suggestions on how to fix this? |
| 02:39.16 | litage | i've tried to split the doc into 2 docs, but OO locks up when deleting large amounts of text/large tables, so i'm not sure what to do.. |
| 02:40.31 | abrotman | litage: recursion kills! |
| 02:41.44 | rav | doub: alsa loads and searches for installed cards, doesn't find anything. and i still dont have /dev/dps |
| 02:42.03 | dvs | rav: You need to load snd_pcm_oss for /dev/dsp |
| 02:43.09 | litage | abrotman: ? |
| 02:43.16 | doub | abrotman: what about GNU? |
| 02:43.24 | abrotman | litage: ask #openoffice.org or #debian-oo |
| 02:43.37 | litage | abrotman: thanks, i didn't know about #debian-oo |
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| 02:43.51 | abrotman | doub: what about it? |
| 02:44.01 | rav | doub and dvs: i know that knoppix detects and uses my soundcard without problems. any way that can help? |
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| 02:44.38 | doub | abrotman: well, GNU's Not Unix? so if recursion kills... well nevermind ;) |
| 02:44.44 | nipplesrulz | arg |
| 02:44.46 | abrotman | doub: oh .. gotcha |
| 02:44.50 | rouzo | dvs, if 'M' for filesystem can cause such fundamental problem, why allow it as an option in the kernel config? |
| 02:44.54 | nipplesrulz | is there a way to force unmount my vfat partitions? |
| 02:44.58 | litage | abrotman: what did you mean by "recursion kills"? |
| 02:45.15 | abrotman | rouzo: not everyone needs the vfat module all the time |
| 02:45.20 | nipplesrulz | /dev/hdb1 151G 135G 16G 90% /media/hdb1 <<--- tells me its busy when i try to unmount :/ |
| 02:45.21 | abrotman | litage: it was a joke .. sorry |
| 02:45.36 | litage | abrotman: heh np |
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| 02:45.42 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: fuser/lsof may tell you what's using it |
| 02:45.51 | rouzo | abrotman, i am talking about ext2, ext3 and Reisfer. |
| 02:46.11 | Coweater | not everyone needs those filesystems |
| 02:46.15 | abrotman | rouzo: i know .. but i don't use reiser .. why would i want it compiled in .. but i may attach a device that uses reiser |
| 02:46.19 | _daniel_ | hm anyone has any info on banshee ? |
| 02:46.25 | _daniel_ | not the driver but program |
| 02:46.26 | abrotman | wait .. i know this! |
| 02:46.34 | abrotman | banshee .. the Voodoo cards! |
| 02:46.41 | _daniel_ | No no the MONO program |
| 02:46.49 | _daniel_ | http://banshee-project.org/Getting_Started |
| 02:46.50 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 02:47.12 | abrotman | _daniel_: ok . what about it ? |
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| 02:47.32 | rouzo | abrotman, what about ext2 or ext3? choosing an'M'means the system will not boot up. why allow it then? |
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| 02:47.45 | _daniel_ | abrotman, package for it ? |
| 02:47.49 | Coweater | rouzo: it doesn't when you're not using ext2 or ext3 |
| 02:47.50 | abrotman | rouzo: because you may have / on xfs .. and no local ext2/3 |
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| 02:47.54 | _daniel_ | why is it not in debian ? |
| 02:47.56 | abrotman | !info banshee sid |
| 02:47.56 | nipplesrulz | thankyou abrotman |
| 02:47.57 | dpkg | banshee: (Audio Managment and Playback application), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.10.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 752 kB, Installed size: 2360 kB |
| 02:47.59 | nipplesrulz | LOTS |
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| 02:48.10 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: find it ? |
| 02:48.20 | abrotman | _daniel_: i assume you mean in sarge? |
| 02:48.21 | _daniel_ | sid ? |
| 02:48.30 | _daniel_ | Men I had sid, I moved to testing |
| 02:48.41 | _daniel_ | SID is preatty much useless |
| 02:48.55 | abrotman | !why is banshee not in testing |
| 02:48.55 | dpkg | banshee is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=banshee |
| 02:49.01 | doub | rouzo: because you're supposed to know what you're doing when you compile the kernel. it's not foolproof, and thus allows fancy stuff |
| 02:49.25 | rouzo | Coweater, abrotman, i see, there are many other possibilities. |
| 02:49.37 | nipplesrulz | yeah sure did abrotman |
| 02:49.51 | nipplesrulz | my real problem is with irssi :/ |
| 02:50.00 | nipplesrulz | cant get it to dcc send to /media/hdb1 |
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| 02:50.09 | Kiowas | hello |
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| 02:50.15 | nipplesrulz | i think b/c its owned by root:root but its allowed for other users to write to it |
| 02:50.32 | nipplesrulz | but its not seeing that or something..... |
| 02:50.39 | EduGreenx | Hi All, anybody knows how to bring up the X using chroot |
| 02:50.56 | abrotman | _daniel_: so you might be able to grab the package from sid .. but it also may not install |
| 02:51.13 | gravity | EduGreenx: Yeah. You want to bindmount /dev and /proc |
| 02:51.17 | gravity | EduGreenx: In your chroot |
| 02:51.22 | gravity | EduGreenx: It should work Ok then |
| 02:51.33 | gravity | EduGreenx: You may have to do startx -- :1, I don't remember |
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| 02:51.48 | Kiowas | I keep getting these warnings, anyone know what might be going on? ata3: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 02:51.48 | Kiowas | ata3: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } |
| 02:51.49 | rouzo | doub, what to know to prevent anyone fr choosing an M? |
| 02:51.59 | EduGreenx | gravity, I dont understand clearly |
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| 02:52.18 | gravity | EduGreenx: Man mount (or man fstab) for details on bindmounting |
| 02:52.18 | abrotman | gravity: no ban .. just kick .. consider #food .. good stuff! |
| 02:52.47 | EduGreenx | gravity, I have a Meta-Distro in a dir under my Debian, I want to bring up the X of thath distro, to make some changes |
| 02:52.51 | dvs | Kiowas: Your drive is dying |
| 02:53.00 | EduGreenx | gravity, but I dont know how |
| 02:53.09 | gravity | EduGreenx: I just told you how |
| 02:53.18 | Kiowas | dvs: I thought that might be it, but its less than a year old |
| 02:53.33 | dvs | Kiowas: drives can die at anytime |
| 02:53.33 | doub | rouzo: what sort of filesystem your rootfs uses |
| 02:53.42 | gravity | EduGreenx: Read man mount and find the part about --bind |
| 02:53.46 | dvs | Kiowas: At least yours is under warantee |
| 02:53.47 | rouzo | Basically, M allows a kernel component to be loaded in at runtime, or as when required, to reduce the static kernel size. that is why i choose M. |
| 02:54.00 | EduGreenx | gravity,ok thanks |
| 02:54.02 | rouzo | doub, ext3. |
| 02:54.09 | gravity | EduGreenx: Use that to mount /dev and /proc in your chroot. You'll mount the /dev and /proc of your Debian system in your chroot so they have access to the system's /dev and /proc |
| 02:54.19 | gravity | EduGreenx: With that, startx should work |
| 02:55.05 | rouzo | ok, i need to quit chat to allow the system to concentrate on kernel compilation. bye. |
| 02:55.23 | doub | rouzo: so if you don't use an initrd, you need ext3 compiled in. that's because modules are (usually) on your root file system. so if your kernel is not able to load modules, it won't be able to load modules. that's a chicken and egg problem. |
| 02:56.00 | doub | huh, rootfs module, that is (but yet too late) |
| 02:56.16 | yggdrasil_ | bearded here goes with my new kernel |
| 02:56.19 | yggdrasil_ | bbl |
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| 02:56.46 | fc466_ | hi all, I am having some problems with the display of ncuses on my konsole. I tried to reinstall libncurses* libraries, but I am still having problems. Say for example you run make menuconfig on the terminal, the lines there wont show up correctly. Any suggestions ? |
| 02:57.23 | hanasaki | what command tells debian to reinstalla package And overwrite / recreate any / all config files? |
| 02:57.34 | GoAuLd | fc466_, try exiting term; and starting again |
| 02:57.35 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 02:57.35 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 02:57.56 | abrotman | fc466_: only with konsole .. what about xterm? |
| 02:58.00 | fc466_ | GoAuLd : tried that, its always like that |
| 02:58.07 | hanasaki | thanks |
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| 02:59.03 | abrotman | fc466_: what about xterm? |
| 02:59.10 | fc466_ | abrotman: xterm is fine, and I reinstall doing apt-get install --reinstall konsole, but that did not fix it yet ... |
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| 02:59.42 | hanasaki | is there a way to --force-confmiss with apt-get install? |
| 02:59.43 | kspath | amazing, I did not ever use the pidof command before. That might even be useful someday. |
| 02:59.54 | abrotman | fc466_: in sid? |
| 03:00.03 | abrotman | hanasaki: it tells you how .. read the whole factoid |
| 03:00.21 | hanasaki | k |
| 03:00.24 | hanasaki | thanks.. sorry |
| 03:00.25 | GoAuLd | fc466_, do a make clean or make-kpkg clean |
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| 03:00.37 | GoAuLd | maybe both |
| 03:00.51 | fc466_ | abrotman : am running stable |
| 03:01.13 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
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| 03:01.38 | fc466_ | abrotman : what do you think it might be with konsole ? |
| 03:01.52 | fc466_ | GoAuLd make-kpkg ??? |
| 03:02.07 | abrotman | fc466_: kde is broken . go figure :) |
| 03:02.17 | kspath | hehehe |
| 03:02.34 | kspath | try mrxvt and rxvt and wterm and aterm and xterm |
| 03:02.36 | fc466_ | abrotman : what would you do in this case ? |
| 03:02.54 | abrotman | fc466_: i would never run kde :) .. but i'd use xterm instead |
| 03:02.56 | kspath | fc466_ try mrxvt and rxvt and wterm and aterm and xterm |
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| 03:03.08 | kspath | hint hint hint |
| 03:03.11 | GoAuLd | sorry i thought it was compiling kernel with menuconfig |
| 03:03.29 | kameron | anyone running dvorak layout? |
| 03:03.46 | kspath | no, not even the people using dvorak |
| 03:04.02 | kameron | kspath.. you know what i meant! |
| 03:04.24 | kspath | kameron: I know you meant to ask a complete question. |
| 03:04.35 | kameron | don't be a dick. |
| 03:04.44 | kspath | kameron: too late. |
| 03:04.55 | abrotman | resiak is! |
| 03:05.04 | kameron | resiak, you around? |
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| 03:05.19 | raf256[laptop] | my freshly installed dabian box indeed works |
| 03:05.22 | abrotman | he should be asleep . he's roughly UTC |
| 03:05.25 | fc466_ | if xterm can be ocnfigured to have colors .. |
| 03:05.32 | kspath | abrotman: Are you saying resiak is using a dvorak layout or is a dick? |
| 03:05.35 | kameron | okay, i'll catch up with him later, hopefully. thanks abrotman |
| 03:05.38 | raf256[laptop] | 450 hz nice server for just 60 bucks... I love technology progress |
| 03:05.44 | raf256[laptop] | mhz |
| 03:05.58 | kameron | kspath.. you can help, chat, or just leave me be. there's no sense in being retarded and annoying. |
| 03:06.14 | abrotman | kameron: you could just ask your real question |
| 03:06.24 | abrotman | kspath: dvorak |
| 03:06.32 | kspath | kameron: That is what I was hinting at. |
| 03:06.34 | kameron | "anyone running dvorak layout?" isn't a "real" question? |
| 03:06.44 | doub | raf256[laptop]: what about those poor 450 Mhz desktops left alone, without master? |
| 03:06.51 | raf256[laptop] | anyone like to come in gf's mouth? |
| 03:06.56 | raf256[laptop] | is that a real question as well? |
| 03:07.01 | kameron | if i say "is anyone using a dvorak keyboard layout?" do people suddenly clue in, because my last question was just SO absurd? |
| 03:07.02 | beardy | kameron: It's not a question that would get you any good answer. |
| 03:07.08 | gravity | wtf |
| 03:07.09 | raf256[laptop] | ask a _real_ question |
| 03:07.19 | abrotman | kameron: no . it's not a real question |
| 03:07.20 | \amethyst | kameron: no, "how do I set up dvorak in gnome in debian" is a real question |
| 03:07.20 | abrotman | !ask |
| 03:07.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:07.30 | beardy | !smart questions |
| 03:07.30 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 03:07.34 | abrotman | !sicco |
| 03:07.34 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 03:07.35 | kameron | holy shit. |
| 03:07.43 | kameron | let's all just spam the channel. |
| 03:07.44 | kameron | !paste |
| 03:07.45 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 03:07.47 | raf256[laptop] | doub: I dunno ;) |
| 03:07.48 | kameron | !debian |
| 03:07.48 | dpkg | debian is probably http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 03:07.51 | jetscreamer | !die |
| 03:07.51 | dpkg | I'll murder you jetscreamer! Slice you into bitsa and feed you to my children! |
| 03:07.54 | kameron | !apt-get |
| 03:07.54 | dpkg | i heard apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me about ... |
| 03:07.56 | raf256[laptop] | !spam |
| 03:07.56 | dpkg | somebody said spam was a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) , razor or crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week) |
| 03:07.56 | jetscreamer | !stfu |
| 03:07.57 | dpkg | hmm... stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 03:07.58 | kameron | !dpkg |
| 03:07.58 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkg is mad |
| 03:08.02 | abrotman | !botabuse |
| 03:08.02 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 03:08.04 | raf256[laptop] | !abus |
| 03:08.05 | beardy | Stupid morons.. |
| 03:08.10 | Gnea | STOP. |
| 03:08.11 | raf256[laptop] | !morons |
| 03:08.38 | kameron | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:08.44 | abrotman | yay! |
| 03:08.45 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 03:08.46 | kspath | kameron: The reason you are asking it is the REAL question. When you figure that out you will be able to ask a/the question that will get you better assistance. I have and likely will be guilty of this as well. |
| 03:08.53 | Gnea | kameron: is that your real question? |
| 03:09.02 | deadcat | how do i list the users in irssi? |
| 03:09.13 | beardy | deadcat: /names |
| 03:09.17 | abrotman | kameron: personally .. i'd ask #debian-kde .. i suspect it's in one of the applets .. |
| 03:09.18 | deadcat | thanks |
| 03:09.18 | jetscreamer | /userlist ? |
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| 03:09.21 | jetscreamer | no eh |
| 03:09.34 | jetscreamer | works in xchat |
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| 03:09.56 | jetscreamer | /userlist ? |
| 03:10.00 | abrotman | jetscreamer: /who <channel> |
| 03:10.01 | kspath | I think I remember using some kind of pull down menu in KDE LONG ago for keyboard layouts for locales and dvorak but that was years ago. |
| 03:10.05 | jetscreamer | oosp sorry |
| 03:10.13 | jetscreamer | both work actually |
| 03:10.18 | jetscreamer | diff output |
| 03:10.23 | abrotman | does X have an option for dvorak? |
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| 03:10.46 | jetscreamer | it must? |
| 03:10.56 | kspath | It should. Dvorak is nice other than being not as popular as it should be and therefore non-standard. |
| 03:10.57 | kameron | abrotman, thank you for just giving me a straight answer. |
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| 03:11.14 | abrotman | kameron: i can't be more specific .. i'm a gnome person |
| 03:11.26 | abrotman | kameron: but in gnome you can pick the keyboard layout |
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| 03:11.39 | kameron | abrotman, i've never run gnome, other than getting a terminal up to isntall kde |
| 03:11.43 | jetscreamer | !find kiso |
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| 03:11.51 | dpkg | mkisofs: (Creates ISO-9660 CD-ROM filesystem images), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 4:2.01+01a03-5 (sid), Packaged size: 518 kB, Installed size: 1284 kB |
| 03:12.04 | jetscreamer | :( |
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| 03:12.30 | fc466_ | What would be the the equivelant of "WinSCP" for Debian (well, linux in general) ? |
| 03:12.41 | raf256[laptop] | fc466_: ssh |
| 03:12.49 | raf256[laptop] | fc466_: scp |
| 03:13.00 | raf256[laptop] | aslo krusader and some other programs, perhaps including gftp |
| 03:13.03 | beardy | fc466_: and sftp |
| 03:13.09 | fc466_ | raf256[laptop]: but I would like a graphical interface to drag and drop |
| 03:13.15 | Woosta | fc466_: Anything starting with 'win' probably started on linux .. so just try dropping the 'win' |
| 03:14.31 | kspath | I wonder if KDE site or google has info on dvorak layout. Hmmm. |
| 03:15.09 | Coweater | keyboard layouts should be handled by X |
| 03:15.21 | raf256[laptop] | what to install to have SSH server? |
| 03:15.24 | mfrisch | doesn't the layout set in your X |
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| 03:15.52 | Coweater | kde has a util to change it, but there shouldn't be anything specific to dvorak |
| 03:17.12 | raf256[laptop] | what is the most secure irc client, text mode? |
| 03:17.13 | kspath | "loadkeys dvorak" do anything? |
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| 03:17.23 | mfrisch | sirc |
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| 03:17.28 | Lopli1 | anyone know if socket 462 and 478 are compatible when getting fans? |
| 03:17.59 | beardy | Lopli1: #hardware ? |
| 03:18.02 | raf256[laptop] | anyone uses tripwire and can explain a bit to me how to use it again? |
| 03:18.20 | kspath | kameron: man loadkeys does that help? |
| 03:18.23 | rublind | Wht's th gnome channel for debian? |
| 03:18.33 | kameron | kspath, i've got it figured |
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| 03:19.31 | linux_user400354 | can anyone help? vncviewer keeps disconnecting as soon as it gets connected and puts this error in terminal http://sial.org/pbot/16070 |
| 03:20.14 | deadcat | linux_user400354: thats an ubuntu problem |
| 03:20.28 | abrotman | linux_user400354: pleae go to #ubuntu |
| 03:20.31 | abrotman | please too |
| 03:20.36 | deadcat | (= |
| 03:20.44 | abrotman | at least i didn't do "pease" :) |
| 03:21.18 | linux_user400354 | i am in ubuntu. those people do not want to help just like you |
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| 03:21.33 | abrotman | i'm crushed |
| 03:21.36 | deadcat | HAHAHA |
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| 03:21.49 | awb4422 | how can you tell thats ubuntu? |
| 03:21.51 | awb4422 | lol |
| 03:21.55 | abrotman | awb4422: maybe the |
| 03:21.58 | deadcat | abrotman: those people do not help because they dont know. we dont help because we dont know and we dont want to |
| 03:22.00 | abrotman | awb4422: maybe the "chris@ubuntu" ? |
| 03:22.17 | abrotman | deadcat: no . i just don't want to .. i'm an evil bastard |
| 03:22.19 | deadcat | and his name is probably chris too |
| 03:22.19 | awb4422 | what are you talking about? |
| 03:22.21 | awb4422 | ohh |
| 03:22.22 | awb4422 | the log |
| 03:22.26 | awb4422 | heh i didnt even notice lol |
| 03:22.39 | awb4422 | yeah wow, long day ;) |
| 03:22.41 | deadcat | awb4422: and hes probably piss right now as well |
| 03:22.58 | abrotman | i'll stand to the left |
| 03:23.37 | awb4422 | yeah i imagine he is mad |
| 03:23.39 | awb4422 | oh well |
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| 03:25.01 | awb4422 | the other day i tried upgrading to sid..and gnome was broken i.e. it wouldnt install... is there a place i can check the status of certain packages brokenness before i do anything like that again? |
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| 03:25.12 | abrotman | apt-listbugs |
| 03:25.17 | abrotman | !bts |
| 03:25.17 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 03:25.29 | Daveman | sup abrotman |
| 03:25.33 | abrotman | hi Dave123 |
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| 03:25.36 | abrotman | and Daveman |
| 03:25.38 | Daveman | :P |
| 03:25.45 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: how's school going? |
| 03:25.56 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: fine, thanks |
| 03:26.15 | Daveman | moo |
| 03:26.29 | abrotman | i'm a cow .. i eat grass and moo |
| 03:26.44 | zinx | hott |
| 03:26.45 | deadcat | abrotman: we almost helped that dude. but hes too dumb to even bother changing his hostname.. |
| 03:26.51 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: I'm actually teaching a class :-D |
| 03:27.09 | abrotman | deadcat: ? |
| 03:27.10 | deadcat | abrotman: well. you might have. because i wasnt gonna anyhow. |
| 03:27.13 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: anything good? |
| 03:27.28 | abrotman | deadcat: did he come in before that? |
| 03:27.46 | awb4422 | abrotman: thanks for the help... seems like http://fabre.debian.net/ is down for now tho |
| 03:27.46 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: EECS 280, the intro computer science class. Basically I'm a TA - I teach discussion, post on the course forum, admin exams, etc. |
| 03:27.47 | awb4422 | lol |
| 03:27.50 | deadcat | abrotman: no. nevermind. |
| 03:27.54 | deadcat | awb4422: right? (= |
| 03:28.03 | abrotman | awb4422: it is .. it's a full text search .. wouldn't matter much for what you were asking about |
| 03:28.11 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: what's the subject? |
| 03:28.17 | awb4422 | oh |
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| 03:28.27 | Daveman | yeah yeah |
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| 03:28.39 | Daveman | so you're a TA, and you get bitched into doing recitation... :p |
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| 03:28.47 | deadcat | hahah |
| 03:28.56 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: intro computer science? we do recursion (inc. tail recursion), pointers, and then go into OO and talk about classes, subtyping, containers w/ownership semantics, etc. |
| 03:28.59 | EvilSporkMan | intro-level stuff |
| 03:29.18 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: i meant .. prgramming .. asm .. architecture .. etc |
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| 03:29.27 | EvilSporkMan | programming; the language is C++ |
| 03:29.52 | gravity | ew... C++ |
| 03:29.53 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: there are worse things in life i suppose |
| 03:29.55 | curt | abrotman, I can't seem to figure out ho to mount the existing partition using the installers shell |
| 03:30.16 | zinx | tail recursion is the stupidest thing ever |
| 03:30.16 | abrotman | gravity: at least it's not cobol? |
| 03:30.16 | EvilSporkMan | i'm rather enjoying it |
| 03:30.16 | zinx | just write a f'n for loop |
| 03:30.16 | gravity | heh |
| 03:30.16 | EvilSporkMan | zinx: ever program in lisp? |
| 03:30.22 | zinx | Evil: lisp sucks ;) |
| 03:30.37 | onweald_tim | How can I tell what driver is being used for eth1? lsmod shows two ethernet drivers but I can't tell which is actually being used. |
| 03:30.41 | zinx | EVil: but yes. |
| 03:30.41 | abrotman | curt: you have to create a mount point .. then mount the filesystem |
| 03:31.06 | curt | how do I create a mount point |
| 03:31.08 | abrotman | onweald_tim: ifconfig -a .. which has RX/TX stats ? |
| 03:31.23 | EvilSporkMan | zinx: it's awfully hard to write a for loop in scheme |
| 03:31.30 | awb4422 | so what are you guys running on your main desktop? sarge/etch/sid? |
| 03:31.31 | abrotman | curt: go to the terminal .. there is a directory there that looks not right .. what is it called ? |
| 03:31.40 | zinx | Evil: yeah, but that doesn't make for loops bad, that makes the language bad ;) |
| 03:31.44 | freebse | mount /dev/H5N1 /root :) LOL |
| 03:31.48 | EvilSporkMan | the language is just fine |
| 03:31.56 | zinx | Evil: and it doesn't make tail recursion good, either ;) |
| 03:32.01 | curt | abrotman, I am back in a good install right now |
| 03:32.08 | abrotman | curt: huh ? |
| 03:32.25 | curt | abrotman, I am at work trying to figure out what to do |
| 03:32.32 | onweald_tim | abrotman: ifconfig -a eth1 gives me the same thing as ifconfig eth1. No information to indicate the driver being used. |
| 03:32.54 | curt | abrotman, there is a /dev that has the part's in it |
| 03:32.58 | onweald_tim | *reading ifconfig man...* |
| 03:32.58 | abrotman | onweald_tim: oh .. i see .. try dmesg |
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| 03:33.15 | abrotman | curt: the machine is at home ? |
| 03:33.26 | raf256[laptop] | I have hda8 and hda9 as identical partition for software raid, how to put them into a mirror and mount /home on it? |
| 03:33.30 | curt | abrotman, yes |
| 03:33.34 | ke6isf | !tell awb4422 -about polls |
| 03:33.36 | fc466_ | is there a graphical ssh application though ? |
| 03:33.38 | CompWizrd | why would you want to mirror the same hard drive? |
| 03:33.54 | raf256[laptop] | CompWizrd: for bad sectors, but mostly for learning |
| 03:33.58 | curt | abrotman, I wanted to have a game plan before I got back there |
| 03:33.59 | abrotman | curt: you have a separate / and /home ? |
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| 03:34.11 | freebse | ain't no pint in software raid if it is on the same HD |
| 03:34.14 | CompWizrd | raf256[laptop]: ok, just doing basic RAID sanity checking.. |
| 03:34.24 | onweald_tim | abrotman: Thanks. Yeah... dmesg is obvious. NOT! (I'm a spoiled windows user for sure) :-) |
| 03:34.31 | CompWizrd | at least you didn't ask how to raid0 them :) |
| 03:34.32 | raf256[laptop] | yeah its for learning purposes, so how to put it up? |
| 03:34.34 | curt | abrotman, there is no home in the shell from the installer (i guess cause that fs needs mounted) |
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| 03:34.52 | curt | abrotman, yes at "home" there is / and /home |
| 03:35.00 | abrotman | onweald_tim: etherconf ? |
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| 03:35.21 | abrotman | curt: i'm still not 100% sure this will work |
| 03:35.33 | curt | abrotman, I need to mv /home/user/lib /lib |
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| 03:35.38 | abrotman | curt: make two mount points .. /screwed/root/ and /screwed/home/ |
| 03:36.07 | abrotman | curt: then you should be able to move /screwed/home/user/lib/ to /screwed/root/lib/ |
| 03:36.39 | raf256[laptop] | what to do with the install report file in ~ after the install? |
| 03:36.44 | raf256[laptop] | oh |
| 03:36.46 | raf256[laptop] | nm |
| 03:36.52 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: nothing if it worked |
| 03:36.54 | curt | abrotman, how do I make the mount points in the installer shell? |
| 03:37.00 | onweald_tim | abrotman: dmesg gives me the info. However, I'm checking out etherconf right now but a rebuild of raid 5 is slowing me down. |
| 03:37.04 | abrotman | curt: mdkir ? |
| 03:37.06 | abrotman | err mkdir |
| 03:37.18 | abrotman | onweald_tim: i can see that :) |
| 03:37.20 | robr | hi there, im having some trouble installing, i put in iso cd 1 - and pressed enter for boot then: general protection fault: 0000 .... EIP: not tainted ... Kernal panic: attempt to kill the idle task. in idle task - not syncing |
| 03:37.55 | robr | any help would be appreciated |
| 03:38.01 | Daveman | heh |
| 03:38.09 | abrotman | robr: tried both kernels? |
| 03:38.19 | xeltran | hi |
| 03:38.34 | robr | abrotman, sorry im a linux newb, how would i do that |
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| 03:38.54 | abrotman | robr: when the installer has that nice debian logo .. type 'linux26' and hit enter |
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| 03:39.07 | robr | abrotman, thanks ill give it a go |
| 03:39.20 | fc466_ | thanks guys for all the help |
| 03:39.37 | curt | abrotman, i am not sure this is going to work... mkdir /screwed/root is just that isn't it ~ an empty dir |
| 03:40.16 | abrotman | curt: yeah .. kind of like a mount point :) |
| 03:40.16 | robr | abrotman, i tried that same error |
| 03:40.24 | abrotman | robr: which ISO did you use? |
| 03:40.36 | robr | 3.01 ra |
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| 03:40.56 | abrotman | robr: what kind of machine is it? |
| 03:41.04 | raf256[laptop] | ln -s /scrwed /home/bush-voters/ |
| 03:41.16 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: not funny .. go to #politics |
| 03:41.18 | curt | abrotman, so how to I mount the partitions to /screwed/root and /screwed/home |
| 03:41.24 | raf256[laptop] | !bushsmite abrotman |
| 03:41.43 | robr | abrotman, amd, asus mobo ... 80gb HD on primary master, CD drive on primary slave |
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| 03:41.55 | abrotman | curt: mount -t <whatever they are> /dev/<device> /screwed/<what it should be> |
| 03:42.07 | abrotman | robr: pretty new? |
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| 03:42.40 | unix_infidel | robr: what amd? |
| 03:42.41 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: STILL NOT FUNNY |
| 03:42.41 | robr | AMD 1700XP |
| 03:42.41 | robr | abrotman, not new new, no, but not a 386 or anything |
| 03:42.54 | abrotman | robr: were you planning on using sarge/stable ? |
| 03:42.58 | curt | abrotman, i am following you now. |
| 03:43.17 | CGI283 | raf256[laptop] is going to be banned |
| 03:43.30 | abrotman | CGI283: are you sure? |
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| 03:43.45 | CGI283 | abrotman: No |
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| 03:44.26 | CGI283 | abrotman: If he continue, yes |
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| 03:44.50 | raf256[laptop] | CGI283: omg, you must be the oracle |
| 03:44.51 | cleit0n | hi, how i make one dvd autoring in debian? dvdauthor dont work |
| 03:45.16 | beardy | cleit0n: be more specific |
| 03:45.21 | beardy | !doesn't work |
| 03:45.21 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 03:46.08 | robr | abrotman, i was going to use: http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian-cd/images/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 03:46.20 | cleit0n | beardy: i need one package to make one dvd with Vob's or mpgs, with menus.. in debian, but i dont know, and need help |
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| 03:47.01 | abrotman | robr: ok .. but i meant are you going to use sarge/stable .. or something else? |
| 03:47.20 | robr | wot ever installs off that 1st iso? is that stable? |
| 03:47.44 | raf256[laptop] | what to install to cool pentium II as much as possible? |
| 03:47.54 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: a waterfall |
| 03:47.56 | raf256[laptop] | it have frequency scalling? calls to HLT? something else? |
| 03:48.00 | abrotman | nothing |
| 03:48.05 | abrotman | you can underclock it .. maybe |
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| 03:48.11 | raf256[laptop] | that sucks |
| 03:48.20 | raf256[laptop] | but idles calls to HLT should help? |
| 03:48.24 | abrotman | robr: i meant .. are you going to use sarge/stable .. etch/testing .. sid/unstable ? |
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| 03:48.57 | robr | abrotman, sorry im not sure i havnt gotten that far, im a newb, i just wanna try it out |
| 03:49.19 | ice_1963 | abrotman:hello :) |
| 03:49.24 | abrotman | hi |
| 03:49.34 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 03:49.34 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.12 is, like, http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ for sarge/amd64 |
| 03:49.38 | abrotman | robr: ^^ |
| 03:49.45 | raf256[laptop] | robr: if you are newb then you want "testing" |
| 03:49.48 | beardy | cleit0n: What is not working in dvdauthor? I haven't used it, but perhaps someone has, that can help youif you tell us what is not working for you. |
| 03:49.48 | abrotman | robr: try that .. please use a CDRW .. there are a few others to try |
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| 03:49.55 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: NO .. he may not .. don't do that |
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| 03:50.17 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: you are rigth, I shoul ask first |
| 03:50.25 | hellop | Can someone help me choose a 1 CD install or netinstall of debian that uses the 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:50.39 | raf256[laptop] | robr: do you want to use outdate and old software (like half year), or you want te newer? |
| 03:50.41 | abrotman | hellish: the sarge installer has a 2.6 kernel |
| 03:50.41 | beardy | !d-i hellop |
| 03:50.41 | dpkg | hellop, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:50.50 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: DON'T FREAKING DO THAT |
| 03:51.00 | hellop | I downloaded a netinstall CD from the website and I get an error, "no kernel modules found" I continue and it breaks. |
| 03:51.05 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: do you want to be dead .. or mostly dead? |
| 03:51.09 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: what?? |
| 03:51.10 | beardy | hellop: At the boot: prompt, type 'linux26' and hit Enter. |
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| 03:51.42 | hellop | beardy tried that, ENTER or Install26 both give a modules not found error. |
| 03:51.44 | robr | abrotman, thanks for the tip, but whats wrong with the iso i am using? |
| 03:51.44 | beardy | hellop: Which one, exact url? |
| 03:51.45 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: not everyone has SNS syndrome like you do |
| 03:51.53 | abrotman | robr: the kernel hates you? :) |
| 03:52.01 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: stable is outdated, typical users I know would found it frustrating that some soft is not available yet, and I found testing quite stable |
| 03:52.05 | robr | abrotman, it would seem it does :) |
| 03:52.11 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: it is not outdated |
| 03:52.12 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: shut up |
| 03:52.23 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: it's perfectly usable .. stop being a butthead |
| 03:52.55 | raf256[laptop] | omg, so much high quality arguments, think you just convinced me; good think you managed to keep from swaering or anythin |
| 03:53.03 | abrotman | robr: also .. you may want to try a bios update |
| 03:53.11 | curt | abrotman, im a give it a go, thanks for your help. |
| 03:53.14 | robr | abrotman, good idea |
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| 03:53.32 | abrotman | robr: just a thought .. |
| 03:53.55 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: testing still breaks .. try not to screw up everyone else's install based on your personal inability to deal with working software |
| 03:54.10 | raden | is there a program to make flow charts ? |
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| 03:54.27 | abrotman | dia |
| 03:54.35 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: I cant deal with non-existing software, some programs I need like ihu sound chat are not in stable at all |
| 03:54.57 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: did he ask for it? no .. so you'd screw up his machine for something he doesn't want? |
| 03:55.23 | raf256[laptop] | therefore I lask do he like half year old software |
| 03:55.26 | raf256[laptop] | perhaps he do |
| 03:55.41 | beardy | kspath: melt it toa dagger instead |
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| 03:55.58 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: there's a reason people use stable .. |
| 03:56.02 | kspath | !distract raf256[laptop] |
| 03:56.04 | abrotman | more than one actually |
| 03:56.17 | raf256[laptop] | omg, I see 2 fanatics here, go start a freaking jihad on anyone that dont agree stable rocks |
| 03:56.41 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: you have a mirror? |
| 03:56.54 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: ok, I will tell a friend to install stable. we need IHU program. how to install it then? |
| 03:57.05 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: you're so damn stupid .. |
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| 03:57.13 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: you're missing the point .. as usual |
| 03:57.19 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: you are so incredible smart. so how to install the IHU? |
| 03:57.27 | vtudo | ola |
| 03:57.33 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: which one of ten ways would you like? |
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| 03:57.40 | raf256[laptop] | any that works |
| 03:57.43 | CGI283 | raf256[laptop] : backports? |
| 03:57.43 | abrotman | !tell raf256[laptop] about simple sid backport |
| 03:57.44 | raf256[laptop] | witohut compilation from source |
| 03:57.45 | abrotman | have a nice day |
| 03:57.55 | vtudo | alguem de portugal ? |
| 03:57.58 | abrotman | !br |
| 03:57.58 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:58.10 | hellop | Ok so I'll use Sarge. I want a minimal install. Should I get the netinst or can I use the 1st CD? |
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| 03:58.29 | chino[server] | what does br stand for ? |
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| 03:58.36 | cosmintilla | break |
| 03:58.38 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 03:58.40 | beardy | hellop: If you already have the first cd, use that, otherwise get the netinstall. |
| 03:58.43 | raf256[laptop] | kspath: are you retarded? |
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| 03:58.58 | kspath | raf256[laptop]: certified |
| 03:59.01 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: so auto-build from scratch? looks nice then, but do it work? |
| 03:59.02 | _nicolas | chino[server], brasil. |
| 03:59.08 | elPepo | please, do someone can install Lexmark multifunction system (4200 Series) ? |
| 03:59.14 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: try it .. let me know |
| 03:59.28 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: last time I checked simmilar problem, there where dependiences on libraries, that are only in more unstable versions |
| 03:59.40 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: try it .. let me know |
| 04:00.23 | raf256[laptop] | and all of you should chill out |
| 04:00.39 | abrotman | you started it! |
| 04:00.53 | raf256[laptop] | and I thought only some relligion guys start to rage in anger upon difference of opion, sheesh |
| 04:01.29 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: Take the politics somewhere else. |
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| 04:01.53 | _nicolas | *sigh* |
| 04:01.55 | abrotman | beardy: #short-bus ? |
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| 04:02.43 | chino[server] | is there an openldap or any ldap server accessable via apt ? |
| 04:02.43 | kspath | raf256[laptop]: You speak 4-5 languages and none of them are English? |
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| 04:03.01 | beardy | chino[server]: Most likely yes. /msg dpkg search |
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| 04:03.07 | linoleum | hello |
| 04:03.11 | coulix | hello |
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| 04:03.18 | abrotman | chino: slapd .. or something similiar |
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| 04:03.37 | raf256[laptop] | kspath: you where molested as kid and now you have to start/continue a flame? you have more stupid offtopic questions? or you woll let it go? |
| 04:03.43 | abrotman | were |
| 04:04.00 | _nicolas | would |
| 04:04.02 | raf256[laptop] | yes, there are also even more typos, lets discuss that |
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| 04:04.06 | abrotman | will |
| 04:04.10 | abrotman | let's |
| 04:04.12 | _nicolas | d'uh |
| 04:04.14 | _nicolas | hehe |
| 04:04.16 | raf256[laptop] | You |
| 04:04.18 | roler | are the udev and hald daemons required? |
| 04:04.19 | raf256[laptop] | Or |
| 04:04.27 | abrotman | roler: for what? |
| 04:04.38 | kspath | chino[server]: apt-cache search ldap | egrep "^ldap" |
| 04:04.46 | raf256[laptop] | did I just make 2 guys write 8 offtopic lines flood willingly? |
| 04:04.51 | abrotman | kspath: it's slapd |
| 04:05.03 | roler | abrotman, ; they are both running on my desktop laptop |
| 04:05.06 | vtudo | how I bring update kernel? |
| 04:05.12 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: if you'd work on your english .. we wouldn't have to ;) |
| 04:05.14 | kspath | The package is? I thought only the binary was in a package. |
| 04:05.17 | raf256[laptop] | vtudo: by installig kernel-image? |
| 04:05.18 | abrotman | roler: running gnome ? |
| 04:05.25 | roler | abrotman, ; yes |
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| 04:05.29 | vtudo | yes |
| 04:05.33 | abrotman | roler: required no .. but parts of gnome use them |
| 04:05.46 | abrotman | !info slapd sarge |
| 04:05.51 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: or, someones could stop beeing assholes and be more friendly instead ....no, that's justcrazy |
| 04:05.52 | dpkg | slapd: (OpenLDAP server (slapd)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.23-8 (sarge), Packaged size: 798 kB, Installed size: 2228 kB |
| 04:05.54 | roler | ahh |
| 04:05.59 | linoleum | hey guys, I got a question !! I want to show this page : http://quicksilver.blacktree.com/ , and my firefox is not really fast with this webpage , it's laggy. My friend who is under ubutun and who is using Internet Explorer 6 tells me that it's real scroll smoothly .. so , what the problem : I have a fresh install of sarge, I have firefox laggy. my friend under ubuntu got XGL, internet explorer 6 and it's really fast... wha |
| 04:05.59 | linoleum | t is the problem??? thank you |
| 04:06.01 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: i'm very friendly |
| 04:06.03 | roler | thsnks |
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| 04:06.12 | kspath | slapd - OpenLDAP server (slapd) omg, I never expected the package to be named after the daemon. |
| 04:06.34 | coulix | linoleum: its a common problem with debian. |
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| 04:06.42 | abrotman | linoleum: i don't get it .. there's nothing to scroll |
| 04:07.04 | linoleum | ho sorry yes, I mean this page : http://docs.blacktree.com/quicksilver/what_is_quicksilver |
| 04:07.13 | chino[server] | kspath: me either |
| 04:07.31 | chino[server] | what is a "DNS domain name:" |
| 04:07.50 | kspath | domain.nom |
| 04:07.51 | coulix | install lindows and wine with ie6 |
| 04:07.53 | abrotman | linoleum: not a problem here |
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| 04:08.04 | choisyjc | hello - is there any known-working netinst iso image somewhere on the net? since those on cdimage.d.o have been broken for days |
| 04:08.17 | linoleum | abrotman, is the scrolling smooth ?? |
| 04:08.20 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:08.26 | abrotman | in opera and FF |
| 04:08.50 | abrotman | choisyjc: did you use the sarge installer? |
| 04:09.03 | beardy | IE in ubuntu? .. |
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| 04:09.29 | choisyjc | abrotman: I'm trying to install testing |
| 04:09.35 | abrotman | gravity: linoleum glue ? |
| 04:09.36 | eps | how does one play a dvd from the command line (not using totem...say using mplayer?) |
| 04:09.40 | choisyjc | abrotman: would the sarge installer handle that? |
| 04:09.45 | abrotman | choisyjc: i see beta2 is there ... |
| 04:09.45 | beardy | abrotman: heh, I thought the same |
| 04:09.48 | gravity | abrotman: I hear that's the designer drug of choice |
| 04:09.49 | _nicolas | I had no idea they were broken, I installed it just fine... (sarge-amd64, netinst) |
| 04:10.06 | raf256[laptop] | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.13 | abrotman | choisyjc: handle what? .. all you've said is that it doesn't work |
| 04:10.18 | erik | hey... i'm getting a silent bug on fusermount 2.2.1-4... it just prints out "invalid argument" no other error information. the argument is decidedly not invalid... anyone else have this experience? |
| 04:10.22 | choisyjc | abrotman: beta2 is broken (2.6.12 kernel, 2.6.15 modules) -- and so are the daily builds that came after it |
| 04:10.31 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: man hier |
| 04:10.33 | abrotman | choisyjc: ask #debian-boot |
| 04:10.40 | linoleum | no seriously, the scroll is not smooth with my firefox , and I got an other friend under ubuntu , and it's not smooth too . but when he use IE6 it's smooth :/ |
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| 04:11.00 | linoleum | so, we don't understand |
| 04:11.08 | gravity | linoleum: So what? |
| 04:11.15 | abrotman | linoleum: scroll how? |
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| 04:11.17 | gravity | linoleum: Patch firefox so it has smoother scrolling |
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| 04:11.24 | abrotman | linoleum: with the wheel? |
| 04:11.30 | eps | linoleum then he should use ie |
| 04:11.35 | gravity | You're talking about completely different apps |
| 04:11.43 | linoleum | so : I do aptitude purge firefox , then aptititude install firefox , and the scroll on this web page is really slow and laggy : http://docs.blacktree.com/quicksilver/what_is_quicksilver |
| 04:12.02 | raf256[laptop] | beardy: yep, but I dont see there, can one put a /bin and /sbin on CDROM, or just /usr |
| 04:12.06 | choisyjc | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 04:12.07 | abrotman | oh yeah .. and i ahve 263 extensions insstalled :) |
| 04:12.19 | CGI283 | I have search for an lightweight file manager. Finnaly use 'xfe' are there other one that i have not found, must by light, for slow laptop |
| 04:12.21 | linoleum | lol |
| 04:12.28 | linoleum | non I dont have extention |
| 04:12.29 | gravity | linoleum: wtf is with your quicksilver links? |
| 04:12.45 | CGI283 | And to use in X |
| 04:12.45 | abrotman | maybe he's just spamming |
| 04:12.58 | linoleum | the scrolling is not smooth at all , it's like my CPU was 99% used ... but it's just with this webpage |
| 04:13.11 | gravity | linoleum: Patch. Firefox. Use. The. Source. |
| 04:13.13 | linux_user400354 | http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop.14580695 |
| 04:13.13 | gravity | linoleum: It's not magic. |
| 04:13.38 | Dwonis | linoleum: View -> Page Style -> No Style. |
| 04:13.52 | abrotman | linux_user400354: didn't we already tell you .. go to #ubuntu |
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| 04:14.10 | deadcat | abrotman: you can tell by their nick that they are ubuntu users |
| 04:14.10 | freebse | linoleum: update firefox, I had the same problem on certain sites before |
| 04:14.13 | kspath | hmmm apt-cache search does not search the descriptions apparently bummer |
| 04:14.29 | linoleum | Dwonis, hell yea !! it's working ;) lol |
| 04:14.33 | robr | abrotman, do you know if with no OS is it possible to update a BIOS? |
| 04:14.37 | kspath | hmmm maybe it does |
| 04:14.37 | freebse | deadcat: can you ? lol |
| 04:14.47 | abrotman | robr: kind of .. gotta make a dos boot floppy usually .. |
| 04:14.52 | deadcat | freebse: yes. ubuntu users. i dont know about others |
| 04:14.53 | gravity | God, it must be idiot day |
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| 04:15.02 | abrotman | robr: then you boot that floppy .. and flash the BIOS .. and pray |
| 04:15.04 | linoleum | freebse, well , my firefox is up to date |
| 04:15.06 | abrotman | gravity: never .. not here! |
| 04:15.19 | freebse | robr: a DOS floppy would do |
| 04:15.24 | linoleum | freebse, I got 1.5.0.1 |
| 04:15.25 | enz0_ | is there a way to list packages and sort by which ones consume the most disk space? |
| 04:15.29 | robr | abrotman, ok thx i dont have a floppy drive in the machine ill c how i go with a CD |
| 04:15.36 | freebse | linoleum: then I can not say |
| 04:15.40 | beardy | gravity: what makes you say a thing like that? |
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| 04:15.57 | gravity | beardy: It feels even worse than usual |
| 04:15.58 | abrotman | robr: no idea .. i'd think you need a floppy .. or maybe if you're really lucky it will boot from a usb device |
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| 04:16.19 | freebse | go with any Win98 CD |
| 04:16.35 | kspath | chino[server]: apt-cache search "ldap|LDAP" | sort |
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| 04:17.01 | Dwonis | kspath: apt-cache search is case-sensitive? |
| 04:17.10 | chino[server] | i got it installed man |
| 04:17.19 | chino[server] | its asking me for a "DNS domain name" |
| 04:17.20 | beardy | gravity: indeed. |
| 04:17.27 | kspath | Dwonis: I should have done the sort on lowercase than. My mistake. |
| 04:17.40 | deadcat | i am trying to compile thunar, i get this: make[3]: *** [Thunar-thunar-clipboard-manager.o] Error 1 |
| 04:17.45 | abrotman | Dwonis: you .. cutie pie |
| 04:18.00 | gravity | deadcat: That's a pretty useless error message |
| 04:18.31 | Dwonis | !ubuntusmite kspath |
| 04:18.38 | deadcat | gravity: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/thunar.error |
| 04:18.45 | freebse | gravity: indeed even a bluescreen got more information :) |
| 04:18.55 | Dwonis | yay! dpkg is back! |
| 04:18.58 | raf256[laptop] | ubuntu isn't so bad |
| 04:19.13 | zinx | not bad, no |
| 04:19.15 | zinx | but also not debian |
| 04:19.18 | eps | raf256[laptop] I'm nearly completely over ubuntu |
| 04:19.33 | raf256[laptop] | eps: as in? / why? |
| 04:19.35 | freebse | if you wabnt to use root with a user-password it ain't bad at all :) |
| 04:19.40 | deadcat | at this rate, i can watch "24" before it airs on the west coast. |
| 04:19.45 | gravity | deadcat: Your source is buggy and your makefile compiling it such that warnings are errors, causing failur |
| 04:19.47 | eps | the package mangement is a joke...it makes me respect why debian has such a long release cycle |
| 04:19.53 | gravity | deadcat: You may want to patch the source |
| 04:19.53 | anotherdm | is there a list or review somewhere about what Sarge AMD64 does not support or is broken or just not right |
| 04:19.59 | raf256[laptop] | freebse: yah, I didnt liked that, it takes 3 minutes to fix |
| 04:19.59 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: I don't mind Ubuntu. It just bugs me when people join #debian to ask questions about Ubuntu problems, when they should go to #ubuntu instead. |
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| 04:20.16 | gravity | raf256[laptop]: Whether ubuntu is bad or good doesn't matter. It's off-topic here, ok? |
| 04:20.16 | unix_infidel | Dwonis: ever been IN #ubuntu :P |
| 04:20.16 | deadcat | gravity: oh. i just grapped the latest from the snapshot/ |
| 04:20.25 | kspath | Dwonis: The results came back out of order and I assumed it did not match slapd due to case I failed to test variations and use sort at same time. Forgive me for being sleepy and tired. |
| 04:20.26 | jml6 | what is the command to go back and config the system after install, with grub setup etc.? |
| 04:20.29 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: Not regularly. Why? |
| 04:20.31 | eps | Dwonis people join debian because the ubuntu users channel is often full of only newbies |
| 04:20.33 | unix_infidel | lol....nvm. |
| 04:20.41 | raf256[laptop] | unix_infidel: it seems we have much better support here |
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| 04:20.50 | unix_infidel | raf256[laptop]: that seems to be the case. |
| 04:20.55 | freebse | raf256[laptop]: +a lot of other idiotic stuff, I rather dislike users to be able to mount usb or cdrom |
| 04:21.29 | raf256[laptop] | I just typed in |
| 04:21.41 | raf256[laptop] | apt-cache search kernel | grep image | grep "2.8" |
| 04:21.49 | raf256[laptop] | and wondered why none was found =) |
| 04:21.59 | freebse | lol |
| 04:22.02 | Dwonis | kspath: Huh? The smite was because of the "* kspath waves".... never mind |
| 04:22.02 | eps | out of interest why are debian debs now no longer usable in ubuntu? I have run up against so many problems with packages not being installable under ubuntu so I grab the debian versions (apps with no other deps) and yet ubuntu still wants to remove them every time you try to update or install/remove some thing else |
| 04:22.13 | raf256[laptop] | I think I will go with 2.6.8 for now then :P |
| 04:22.19 | gravity | eps: #ubuntu |
| 04:22.19 | unstable | eps: Ask the Ubuntu people. |
| 04:22.20 | eps | is it debians fault or ubuntus or a incompatibility? |
| 04:22.23 | kspath | Dwonis: I was waving night to abrotman. |
| 04:22.27 | gravity | eps: That is completely off-topic for this channel |
| 04:22.35 | raf256[laptop] | Pentium II is a 686 ? |
| 04:22.42 | ke6isf | raf256[laptop]: For the purpse, yes. |
| 04:22.49 | unstable | eps: Debian has nothing to do with Ubuntu... Ubuntu just tries to follow unstable as best it can...and sometimes it doesn't do a good job, or decides to fork. |
| 04:22.50 | eps | unstable haha, I have, they flames me for being a debian zeolot and that I should ask in here before saying I should leave |
| 04:22.54 | freebse | eps: just simply don't mix them it will not work |
| 04:22.58 | Dwonis | kspath: yes, hence "never mind" :) |
| 04:23.01 | kspath | eps: debian is not ubuntu and ubuntu is not debian. |
| 04:23.12 | raf256[laptop] | so for pentium II I get 686 (not 386, not k7) kernel? |
| 04:23.18 | ke6isf | eps: Well, Ubuntu is not supported. If you want Debian, you know where to find it. Here. |
| 04:23.31 | jml6 | 686 |
| 04:23.45 | unstable | eps: I know Ubuntu is based off of debian unstable...and without debian unstable ubuntu fails. So I'm sure there is some compatibility. |
| 04:23.47 | eps | oh I can just feel the love |
| 04:24.12 | eps | either way, I've had enough of ubuntu so I'm slowly moving the pcs I control with ubuntu on them back to debian |
| 04:24.14 | beardy | !love eps |
| 04:24.19 | raf256[laptop] | !spank eps |
| 04:24.21 | freebse | blah blah, this sucks, I know they copied debian and even emploied developers, but besides all that, this are two distros, I don't know why ppl want to mix them so badly |
| 04:24.24 | Paivakil | raf256[laptop]: 585; not 686, iirc |
| 04:24.25 | Paivakil | raf256[laptop]: i may be wrong |
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| 04:24.28 | eps | yay dpkg loves me! :D |
| 04:24.31 | ke6isf | eps: You came in asking a question regarding Ubuntu. You got lip about Debian over there. What did you expect from us? |
| 04:24.37 | raf256[laptop] | Paivakil: hmmmm |
| 04:24.41 | unstable | eps: Ubuntu and debian have different goals, debian is to be universal and _very stable_, ubuntu doesn't support nearly as many architectures, and ubuntu isn't as stable. |
| 04:24.55 | eps | ke6isf maturity |
| 04:24.56 | enforcer_ | Lol |
| 04:24.58 | unstable | Ubuntu also makes sacrafices as far as non-free, it doesn't completely follow dfsg |
| 04:25.04 | eps | it is what debian has over ubuntu...users should have it as well |
| 04:25.17 | ke6isf | eps: Frankly, I think we've exhibited a significant amount of maturity. And we're still not going to help you, becausee we don't support Ubuntu. |
| 04:25.36 | eps | freebse I don't want to mix the distros...I just want a completely independant (no deps) deb to install without all hell breaking lose :P ...but that wont happen |
| 04:25.37 | raf256[laptop] | ubuntu is just a bit easier to install and nicer for newbies |
| 04:25.49 | eps | ke6isf I didn't ask for support, I asked for reasoning |
| 04:25.52 | raf256[laptop] | well I suggest it to friends as an step towards debian |
| 04:26.04 | unstable | ke6isf: Ubuntu is based on debian, not the other way around. |
| 04:26.06 | freebse | blah blah again, why doesn't nobody compare Slackware to Debian... |
| 04:26.13 | gravity | eps: There's no such thing as a deb with no deps |
| 04:26.16 | unstable | ke6isf: Debian just worries about making a good operatin system, they don't care what other people do. |
| 04:26.18 | gravity | Not even glibc is free of deps |
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| 04:26.27 | eps | raf256[laptop] that is what I do. but I've found the limitations painful :| ...push people to debian quickly after :P |
| 04:26.27 | unstable | er, eps those messages are for you not ke6isf |
| 04:26.34 | freebse | eps: it will not work... if you want to use debian packages use debian |
| 04:26.36 | ke6isf | unstable: ...yeah, was gonna say. |
| 04:26.41 | Dwonis | eps: If you're experiencing some error, it could be that nobody here is going to be able to reproduce it, because many of us don't run Ubuntu. |
| 04:26.56 | raf256[laptop] | eps: ok :P actually we would had used debian, but it failed to install I think CD was corrupted |
| 04:27.03 | beardy | eps: The reasoning is, Debian is not Ubuntu, and Ubuntu is not Debian, run whatever you want, but only ask for support in the right places. Don't mix things. |
| 04:27.17 | Dwonis | eps: It's not like most of us have anything against Ubuntu -- some of us even use ubuntu -- it's just that *this* is not the forum to ask about it. |
| 04:27.24 | freebse | that's all I said, don't mix it |
| 04:27.27 | eps | beardy so linux is choice...but you can't make x choice? classy :P |
| 04:27.39 | beardy | eps: ? |
| 04:27.40 | gravity | eps: Stop being retarded |
| 04:27.45 | eps | I have two debian boxes and a ubuntu box here for the record |
| 04:27.49 | unstable | !mhallsmite eps |
| 04:27.54 | Dwonis | ouch |
| 04:28.00 | raf256[laptop] | gravity: stop beeing asshole |
| 04:28.01 | gravity | Why does everyone always make that fallacious argument? |
| 04:28.03 | jml6 | eps: just drop it. and go to #ubuntu |
| 04:28.13 | freebse | eps: well you can also use rpm packages as well and complain about them not working really |
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| 04:28.16 | raf256[laptop] | why we have to fight? |
| 04:28.19 | gravity | raf256[laptop]: I'd rather not be trolled |
| 04:28.27 | eps | don't worry. no point trying to talk to people who don't care. |
| 04:28.39 | jml6 | eps: exactly |
| 04:28.46 | gravity | It's not a complex policy. And it's not an irrational one. |
| 04:28.48 | eps | but thanks for showing me that the majority (not all) of debian users in here are no more interested in their distro than those in ubuntu |
| 04:28.48 | beardy | eps: Read what people say. I said "run whatevery you want". |
| 04:28.50 | zcot | howdy... zcot here |
| 04:29.00 | enforcer_ | I have an intresting problem on my system. I could use some help fixing it. All my gtk+ dependant programs crash with a console error of Bus Error, but only on my main account. Not on root. |
| 04:29.00 | eps | maybe that is some thing gentoo has over debian/ubuntu |
| 04:29.03 | ke6isf | eps: Are you not getting it? NO SUPPORT FOR YOU. Come back when you've installed Debian. Pardon the frustration, but you're really being a jerk about this. |
| 04:29.05 | raf256[laptop] | wtf |
| 04:29.12 | ke6isf | zcot: ...yes, we see. |
| 04:29.17 | raf256[laptop] | there is no 2.6.8 image working in stable? |
| 04:29.21 | gravity | eps: No one cares if you run ubuntu. Just stop trying to get support for things that we're not here for. |
| 04:29.22 | raf256[laptop] | nor any .6 |
| 04:29.23 | raf256[laptop] | 2.6 |
| 04:29.30 | ke6isf | raf256[laptop]: Yes, there is. I'm running 2.6.8 on my Sarge box. |
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| 04:29.36 | eps | ke6isf I never asked for support, I asked for reasoning. ethical, thought through, explination. |
| 04:29.36 | deadcat | time to build your own distro |
| 04:29.37 | Dwonis | Can anybody here help me with my Win95 problem? ;) |
| 04:29.38 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: Are you this stupid or are you trolling? |
| 04:29.43 | enforcer_ | I can! |
| 04:29.45 | eps | nothing to do with OMG I CAN"T INSTALL IT W00T?!??? |
| 04:29.50 | ke6isf | eps: And reasoning is support. |
| 04:29.51 | gravity | eps: You got it |
| 04:29.53 | Dwonis | Win95 is like Debian: They're both operating systems |
| 04:29.55 | freebse | eps: maybe gentoo just don't have a 2nd distro that looks the same, and ppl don't asume it is the same... anyway no point in taking this any further |
| 04:29.59 | ke6isf | oh, ffs. |
| 04:30.01 | eps | ke6isf no it isn't |
| 04:30.03 | ke6isf | !ops eps is not getting the message |
| 04:30.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: eps is not getting the message |
| 04:30.07 | raf256[laptop] | ke6isf: good luck with the reiserfs critical bug then |
| 04:30.14 | ke6isf | raf256[laptop]: I don't run reiser. |
| 04:30.15 | gravity | ke6isf: Stop abusing that |
| 04:30.18 | raf256[laptop] | beardy: no, I just read apt-listbug |
| 04:30.33 | ke6isf | gravity: ...sorry, forgot you were an op. =O.o= |
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| 04:30.54 | raf256[laptop] | all lets chill out, for Torvald's sake |
| 04:31.21 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: Torvalds ships non-free firmware in his OS |
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| 04:31.25 | ke6isf | I should sleep.... |
| 04:31.40 | choisyjc | Dwonis: does he? |
| 04:31.49 | gravity | choisyjc: Yes |
| 04:31.53 | kspath | sleep is good for frontal lobe and immune system |
| 04:31.55 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: He is not chilled. |
| 04:31.55 | gravity | s/OS/kernel/ though to be precise |
| 04:31.56 | freebse | where |
| 04:31.57 | raf256[laptop] | so what? |
| 04:32.05 | choisyjc | which one? |
| 04:32.07 | raf256[laptop] | who says all soft must be free? |
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| 04:32.19 | raf256[laptop] | he is not?! |
| 04:32.21 | eps | richard stallman |
| 04:32.24 | fc466 | if I want to type 'xterm' and say 'xterm -bg black -fg white' will be executed, what is the easiest way to get that done? adding a line under .bachrc ? |
| 04:32.28 | freebse | I do allways say that :) |
| 04:32.36 | raf256[laptop] | no, wait... that didnt made any sense |
| 04:32.36 | deadcat | fc466: alias |
| 04:32.38 | gravity | freebse: That's what I'd do. Alias it in .bashrc |
| 04:32.39 | Dwonis | gravity: Depends on your definition. But yes, I mean the hardware-enforced definition of "operating system" in this case. |
| 04:32.44 | ke6isf | kspath: considering the rain and stress, it would do me much good. |
| 04:32.49 | raf256[laptop] | stoned: share with Tortel |
| 04:32.53 | raf256[laptop] | *torvalds |
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| 04:32.59 | fc466 | gravity: what would the alias look like then ? |
| 04:33.01 | gravity | freebse: You can also add stuff to ~/.Xdefaults if you want so xrdb reads it |
| 04:33.03 | eps | linus is a bit of a prick I feel, though I highly doubt he was overly interested in the open source movement that took over linux |
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| 04:33.18 | eps | (at least from what I've read and what hes said) |
| 04:33.18 | raf256[laptop] | eps: is he? why/ |
| 04:33.21 | deadcat | fc466: alias xterm='xterm -bg black -fg grey' |
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| 04:33.26 | freebse | gravity: I didn't must be another guy |
| 04:33.27 | gravity | Dwonis: linux the kernel is useless without a userland. Linus doesn't ship more than a kernel, so it's not an OS because you can't use it |
| 04:33.43 | gravity | freebse: Oops, yeah that was for fc466 |
| 04:33.45 | starscal1ing | eh |
| 04:33.46 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: Read some of the stuff he's written. |
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| 04:33.54 | raf256[laptop] | Dwonis: like...? |
| 04:33.57 | fc466 | deadcat: thanks. and would that also apply to all the users using konsole ? |
| 04:33.59 | starscal1ing | eh |
| 04:34.00 | raf256[laptop] | Maine Kampf? |
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| 04:34.10 | LsD- | I have files on a cd i would like to make into an ISO image how would i go about doing that? |
| 04:34.15 | gravity | wtf |
| 04:34.18 | deadcat | fc466: if the user reads the .bashrc file |
| 04:34.27 | freebse | gravity: I could pass it on, like the mafia... psst gravity does say that... fc466 answers that... :) LOL |
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| 04:34.32 | gravity | hehe |
| 04:34.45 | blazefx | hey all, if I am going to be using a computer as a server, it is best to do a complete fresh install or should I trust an already existing box? And if I were to do an install over the internet from one of the minimal cds, what safety percautions must I take inorder to remain completely secure from the begining? |
| 04:35.03 | eps | raf256[laptop] for example recently: "I use kde so you should all use it because gnome is crap because I find it annoying to use" (paraphrasing) ...it was baseless attacking of some thing on shaky reasoning, find for random people to say but for some one in his position he should really watch his words. |
| 04:35.10 | choisyjc | LsD-: mkisofs can do that |
| 04:35.11 | raf256[laptop] | blazefx: completly install |
| 04:35.18 | blazefx | k |
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| 04:35.26 | eps | it isn't his roll to tell (almost require) users do what he says |
| 04:35.28 | mentor | hmmm |
| 04:35.29 | nevyn | blazefx: complete install aquire installation media from a trusted source |
| 04:35.30 | fc466 | deadcat: so I should add that alias to the home directory of each user or what ? |
| 04:35.31 | LsD- | mmk thanks choisyjc |
| 04:35.35 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: I don't have the URLs at the moment, but if you read enough of what he writes, you can tell. Not that I mind much, though. He's a technical guy, and I respect him for that. |
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| 04:35.41 | fc466 | deadcat: how can I make that alias global for all users ? |
| 04:35.42 | mentor | This isn't the place for soapboxing |
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| 04:35.45 | blazefx | is there anything else I can do? |
| 04:35.48 | freebse | eps: well what about using xfce... |
| 04:35.50 | raf256[laptop] | eps: well, he siad he thinks KDE is far better then gnome. I share that opinion btw.. whats wrong in that |
| 04:35.51 | deadcat | fc466: /etc/profile maybe |
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| 04:36.03 | mentor | On the other hand: eps: He said he thought it was better. People don't have to listen to him, and lots of people disagreed. |
| 04:36.04 | fc466 | ok thanks |
| 04:36.21 | kspath | eps: you meant role rather than roll |
| 04:36.28 | freebse | it is just a desktop, I can use any desktop and run kdevelop on it f.ex. so this is rathewr unimportant |
| 04:36.29 | eps | freebse I used xfce the other day :D ...lasted about 40 minutes then loaded gnome-panel then stayed in it for a week, between the two they have heaps of features that were fun to play with |
| 04:36.31 | mentor | eps: Like when he got annoyed with Tridge for REing BitKeeper. He was summarily told that he was being a fuckwit |
| 04:36.35 | Leorg | Greetings, I have been unable to find a solution for this question, I'm trying to extablish a long running ssh connection (with port forwarding ), the connection drops after a while howerver, is there a way/script/hack to keept a connection running ? |
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| 04:36.37 | eps | kspath my mistake |
| 04:37.10 | deadcat | damn i was gonna tell him to edit /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm |
| 04:37.12 | kspath | eps: I do that same exact kind of word replacement all the time. |
| 04:37.24 | freebse | eps: hm and went back to gnome |
| 04:37.34 | blazefx | There are 14 binaries? |
| 04:37.37 | Paivakil | Leorg: why is the connection being dropped? |
| 04:37.45 | blazefx | How many does one generally need? |
| 04:38.00 | Dwonis | Leorg: You could try the "ProtocolKeepAlives" option (see "man ssh_config"). See if that helps |
| 04:38.11 | raf256[laptop] | why the fuck useradd do not create a homedir? |
| 04:38.14 | eps | raf256[laptop] it doesn't work like that in pr...when there is a war on (which the kde people tell me there is see #kde) people don't look at the facts. in this 'war' linus had a lot of sway and he came out and said that one side was crap and the other had won, without some one of equal sway came out and said the oppisite gnome would not be able to recover from that damage |
| 04:38.21 | anotherdm | is it true that some userland stuff doesnt run on the debian-amd64 |
| 04:38.30 | Leorg | Dwonis: Thanks, Paivakil: I'm not sure, really |
| 04:38.34 | eps | if that was done in the business world linus would have been attack by gnome legally |
| 04:38.40 | beardy | raf256[laptop]: Use adduser. |
| 04:38.42 | mentor | raf256[laptop]: It should. man useradd? |
| 04:38.44 | gravity | There's a war on? |
| 04:38.44 | kspath | blazefx: generally people get the one netinstall |
| 04:38.49 | gravity | wtf |
| 04:38.58 | eps | gravity seems to, I didn't notice it |
| 04:38.58 | blazefx | I know, but is that safe? |
| 04:38.59 | beardy | !tell raf256[laptop] -about reference |
| 04:39.01 | raf256[laptop] | wtf gravity |
| 04:39.02 | eps | s/to/so |
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| 04:39.14 | mentor | eps: Right, enough soapboxing. |
| 04:39.20 | freebse | I can not see a war |
| 04:39.26 | eps | mentor okay |
| 04:39.33 | mentor | freebse: You judt don't know where it is |
| 04:39.35 | mentor | :P |
| 04:39.45 | deadcat | calmn down fellas, its just useradd |
| 04:39.50 | raf256[laptop] | war? |
| 04:39.51 | freebse | I just don't never take part in wars :) |
| 04:39.52 | mentor | heh |
| 04:39.59 | freebse | so I don't have to search for them |
| 04:40.01 | raf256[laptop] | gnome is just not so features rich as KDE |
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| 04:40.07 | mentor | freebse: Double Negative? |
| 04:40.08 | raf256[laptop] | or the feautures are hidden |
| 04:40.11 | deadcat | raf256[laptop]: then use kde |
| 04:40.13 | blazefx | Last question for now: how unstable is unstable, and is it safe to use for a server? |
| 04:40.17 | eps | mentor :) |
| 04:40.18 | raf256[laptop] | Linus just stated that, thats all |
| 04:40.22 | raf256[laptop] | deadcat: I do, on desktops |
| 04:40.23 | deadcat | blazefx: no |
| 04:40.30 | blazefx | k |
| 04:40.30 | beardy | blazefx: I hope you are just an ignorant newbie. |
| 04:40.31 | zinx | raf256[laptop]: gnome's biggest feature is that it has no features... or so the gnome devs claim |
| 04:40.32 | deadcat | blazefx: but i do though (= |
| 04:40.34 | freebse | mentor: excuse me being german we do it this way |
| 04:40.38 | anotherdm | blazefx you can run your personal server on it |
| 04:40.40 | raf256[laptop] | blazefx: for server, use stable |
| 04:40.41 | mentor | freebse: :P |
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| 04:40.53 | eps | hahahaha a server on unstable |
| 04:40.55 | malex | Is there something particular about Debian xorg setup that breaks FreeNX session startup? |
| 04:40.57 | eps | lol |
| 04:41.03 | freebse | mentor: german with Capital G :) b.t.w. |
| 04:41.08 | raf256[laptop] | zinx: well I dont like that, for leightweigth - there are far better and smaller; for normal usage - KDE is far better.. |
| 04:41.13 | anotherdm | it would be liablous to charge some one for services running on unstable unless it was explicitly part of the deal for some reason |
| 04:41.16 | blazefx | Well i mean, all it is is under development right |
| 04:41.20 | mentor | raf256[laptop]: enough now... |
| 04:41.23 | jml6 | i have a personal file/web server using testing...no problems yet |
| 04:41.23 | blazefx | nothing *that* different about it? |
| 04:41.28 | raf256[laptop] | mentor: no |
| 04:41.32 | beardy | blazefx: Use stable, period. |
| 04:41.34 | jml6 | theres no reason not to use stable though |
| 04:41.43 | eps | speaking of unstable...ext2 totally stuffed up this morning when I rebooted, I'm worried about bad sectors, what can i use under linux that searches for them (equiv to say checkdisc under windows) |
| 04:41.44 | blazefx | I will but I am curios |
| 04:41.48 | raf256[laptop] | jml6: well personall perhaps, but for real servers, go stable. only. |
| 04:41.48 | deadcat | blazefx: shit breaks so if you want 24/7 use stable. |
| 04:41.50 | blazefx | curious* |
| 04:41.53 | mentor | oh. |
| 04:41.56 | mentor | I'm already opped :P |
| 04:42.01 | gravity | heh |
| 04:42.03 | Dwonis | blazefx: It depends on what kind of reliability requirements you have. Stuff in unstable tends to break more than stuff in stable, but lots of people use unstable (or *some* stuff in unstable) for non-critical servers. |
| 04:42.04 | raf256[laptop] | especially frozen shit brakes |
| 04:42.05 | anotherdm | blazefx there are significant differences like kernel panicks from time to time |
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| 04:42.23 | blazefx | I see. |
| 04:42.24 | gravity | I really should have done that myself |
| 04:42.29 | mentor | possibly |
| 04:42.32 | gravity | Masterful troll |
| 04:42.41 | gravity | Anyway, well done :-) |
| 04:42.44 | Dwonis | blazefx: If you're going to run unstable, then you should probably at least subscribe to debian-user, so that when disasters happen, you'll find out about them :) |
| 04:42.51 | blazefx | lol |
| 04:42.53 | mentor | Well, I gave a general warning and then an explicit one. |
| 04:42.55 | beardy | Have you really not known that until now? |
| 04:42.55 | deadcat | was he here promoting KDE? |
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| 04:43.13 | blazefx | I think I will stick with stable |
| 04:43.23 | gravity | deadcat: No, he was just all around trolling |
| 04:43.27 | deadcat | ah |
| 04:43.33 | freebse | daedcat: na, complainng about it, other way round |
| 04:43.36 | deadcat | blazefx: if you have to ask. you should stick with stable |
| 04:43.39 | jml6 | yeah, only problem with stable is the packages are gonna be on the older side. testings ok, but unstable a no-no for a server |
| 04:43.44 | eps | so yes, what to use under linux to find bad sectors on a disc? |
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| 04:43.50 | curt | remind me never to do that again |
| 04:43.57 | deadcat | freebse: i thought he was complaining about gnome and want to use kde (= |
| 04:44.08 | deadcat | freebse: guess i shouldnt eat and read hehe |
| 04:44.19 | freebse | deadcat: whatever then I got this wrong, who cares |
| 04:44.37 | gravity | eps: badblocks |
| 04:44.58 | eps | thanks gravity *wanders off to man* |
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| 04:45.14 | zethreth | So after installing the sources with apt-get source and geting the depends, I can run dpkg-buildpackage or debuild to create a deb package. Do my regular configured in options get built in or is this overwritten |
| 04:46.52 | Dwonis | zethreth: What do you mean by "my regular configured in options"? |
| 04:47.27 | jml6 | what command should I run to run the installation part where it installs grub? |
| 04:47.44 | Dwonis | jml6: What installation part? |
| 04:47.56 | jml6 | when it installs grub |
| 04:47.58 | zethreth | ./configure --with --enable |
| 04:48.03 | Dwonis | define "it"? |
| 04:48.04 | GoAuLd | jml6, grub |
| 04:48.29 | beardy | jml6: update-grub ? |
| 04:48.32 | Dwonis | jml6: Unlike LILO, grub only really needs to be installed once, even if your kernel changes |
| 04:48.38 | jml6 | dwonis: ah, i meant it==the installation |
| 04:48.38 | zethreth | I guess I'm suppost to edit this debian/rules file. |
| 04:49.03 | jml6 | well, i upgraded the kernel, and the option to boot windoze is missing |
| 04:49.13 | Dwonis | jml6: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:49.17 | beardy | jml6: Edit menu.lst and update-grub |
| 04:49.18 | eps | jml6 add it back |
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| 04:49.51 | Dwonis | zethreth: yup :) |
| 04:49.58 | jml6 | thats such a pain in the butt though for windows! i used to just run base-config or something like that...i forget what it is... |
| 04:50.16 | eps | grub-install or some thing |
| 04:50.35 | freebse | dpkg-reconfigure grub |
| 04:50.35 | eps | I always found it easier to just change the config |
| 04:50.37 | Dwonis | jml6: If you set things up properly, then upgrading the kernel shouldn't affect it |
| 04:50.42 | eps | Dwonis what does update-grub do? |
| 04:50.46 | freebse | but don't know if this works |
| 04:50.59 | jml6 | well i obviously didnt set things up properly |
| 04:51.06 | hellop | Ok, so I'm trying to install sarge. It's hanging on 0% [Connecting to ftp.debian.org] |
| 04:51.08 | Dwonis | eps: If you let Debian manage your menu.lst file, it'll give you an entry for every installed kernel |
| 04:51.15 | Dwonis | eps: update-grub updates the list of kernels |
| 04:51.21 | hellop | Is my only option to start all over and choose a different apt-source? |
| 04:51.32 | useruser_ | anyone know how to play the audio clips on amazon? |
| 04:51.38 | hellop | Is there no way to change my apt-source during an install? |
| 04:51.52 | Dwonis | hellop: There should be a way to do it |
| 04:52.07 | Dwonis | hellop: I don't know how the menu system does it, but you can always just edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:52.14 | mentor | hellop: You should be able to just cancel and slect a different mirror |
| 04:52.14 | eps | Dwonis ah okay, I haven't been able to use grub traditionally for a rather long time now (a year or so) as I've been forced to use a boot disc so I'm out of practice with not directly editing the menu.lst |
| 04:52.35 | hellop | mentor, can't do that |
| 04:52.40 | freebse | hellop: you can abort it and run it again, or you can try to open another console and manually edit sources.listr |
| 04:52.46 | hellop | freebse k |
| 04:52.47 | Dwonis | hellop: Ctrl-C ? |
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| 04:52.53 | hellop | Dwonis does nothing |
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| 04:53.12 | hellop | it looks like it just skipped those packages and continued... |
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| 04:53.53 | freebse | hellop: not if it allready startetm you need at least run the installation part again |
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| 04:54.10 | malex | This is something from 90s: xsetroot: unable to open display 'unix:1009. This is on a current sid system trying to start a freenx session. |
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| 04:54.13 | beardy | jml6: zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
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| 04:55.03 | jml6 | beardy u da man |
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| 04:55.26 | yggdrasil_ | beardy um... problems |
| 04:55.27 | yggdrasil_ | haha |
| 04:55.52 | beardy | yggdrasil_: what? |
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| 04:57.07 | hellop | thanks for the help guys.. |
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| 04:57.30 | beardy | mentor: really? |
| 04:57.48 | mentor | yes. |
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| 04:58.14 | mentor | I'm going to be around all night |
| 04:58.22 | beardy | For a change. |
| 04:58.27 | beardy | That's nice. |
| 04:58.34 | freebse | night is nearly over :) |
| 04:58.48 | mentor | well yes. |
| 04:58.51 | kspath | mentor: you know you are op still? |
| 04:58.59 | mentor | meh |
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| 04:59.13 | mentor | Really need to actually make my scripts work |
| 04:59.22 | kspath | no one is perfect |
| 04:59.32 | beardy | yggdrasil_: What problems? |
| 04:59.37 | waffles | hi, im haveing a hard time understanding how linux deals this mutiple network cards that are in the same subnet, i ping the IP thats linked to eth1 and eth0 responds.. ive googled a bunch but still dont get it, can someone explain this to me? |
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| 04:59.56 | yggdrasil_ | beardy i dint compile in card services |
| 05:00.05 | yggdrasil_ | ill have to deal with it tomorow |
| 05:00.10 | nevyn | waffles: that's a wierd config... |
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| 05:00.34 | jbrimble | Hey all |
| 05:00.37 | yggdrasil_ | i have a ntoher problem i have a smb share mounted in /mnt/storeage but i can only access it as root |
| 05:00.39 | beardy | yggdrasil_: I never told you to compile anything. I told you twice to install a 2.6 stock kernel, I even told you which package, twice.. |
| 05:00.48 | jbrimble | quick question - how can i find a list of all the programs available via apt-get? |
| 05:00.48 | yggdrasil_ | beardy oh shoot |
| 05:00.49 | yggdrasil_ | haha |
| 05:00.58 | parsonsd | waffles, so you have TWO NICs on the same machine in the same subnet? |
| 05:01.05 | yggdrasil_ | beardy well i figured id just compile me up a new kernel it should be a bit quicker |
| 05:01.06 | parsonsd | that is weird |
| 05:01.07 | waffles | nevyn: ive got them both getting addresses via DHCP |
| 05:01.11 | waffles | yeah |
| 05:01.12 | mentor | waffles: eth0 responds? |
| 05:01.31 | mentor | waffles: As in..the IP on eth0 responds or eth0 sends the packet? |
| 05:01.42 | waffles | yeah, its weard, even if i ssh into the address for eth1 i end up talking to eth0 |
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| 05:01.59 | raf256[laptop] | kernel should be rather compiled with same gcc version as is used on system on which kernel will be used? |
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| 05:02.09 | nevyn | waffles: my question is why. |
| 05:02.18 | parsonsd | waffles, how do you know you're only using a particular NIC? |
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| 05:02.31 | mentor | raf256[laptop]: Doesn't matter really. gcc-3.4 seems to be the choice for kernels up till the new ones |
| 05:02.49 | beardy | yggdrasil_: quicker? no, definately not.. |
| 05:03.05 | nevyn | waffles: if you want agregation then you're better off using something like bonding to create a 200Mbit nic or 2Gbit nic or whatever |
| 05:03.06 | parsonsd | waffles, even if you had both on a hub, you'd see them both light up |
| 05:03.17 | waffles | the ip for eth1 responds, but eth0 sends the packits |
| 05:03.19 | mentor | waffles: Do you talk to the correct IP? |
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| 05:03.40 | nevyn | mentor: doesn't the documentation/hacking still say 2.95 |
| 05:03.43 | nevyn | most annoying |
| 05:03.47 | mentor | Hah |
| 05:03.50 | beardy | yggdrasil_: 'aptitude install kernel-image-2.6' after that, '/msg dpkg alsa 2.6' (in your irc client) follow that |
| 05:03.51 | mentor | Hah I say |
| 05:03.52 | joecool | anyone here use parted frequently? I'm having a problem partitioning because it rounds the damn numbers |
| 05:03.57 | doub | mentor: why are debian kernels compiled with 4.0 in sid? /me wonders, as it's still a bit buggy at tmes |
| 05:03.57 | yggdrasil_ | beardy im on it |
| 05:04.02 | doub | times* even |
| 05:04.02 | mentor | nevyn: The Doc dir says many things that aren't really true |
| 05:04.04 | waffles | parsonsd: i can see the LEDs and it also shows traphic only going accross eth0 in gkrellm |
| 05:04.11 | mentor | doub: It's Sid :) |
| 05:04.18 | nevyn | mentor: I got in an argument with the EMC guys about it. |
| 05:04.26 | joecool | 1 0MB 0MB 0MB partition map << annoying parted behaviour |
| 05:04.28 | mentor | doub: It ain't gonna get fixed if we don't test it |
| 05:04.31 | joecool | 1 0.000 0.030 partition map << what i want |
| 05:04.38 | joecool | anyone know how to get that? |
| 05:04.42 | nevyn | I said they should fix their code to build with a reasonable gcc they presented Docs/Hacking as an argument why not to ... |
| 05:04.42 | mentor | doub: Plus some other archs need 4.0 |
| 05:04.44 | beardy | yggdrasil_: I'm not saying it again, so write it down somewhere. :) |
| 05:04.45 | nevyn | it sucked |
| 05:04.46 | waffles | i can see eth1 picking up bordcast traphic, but nothing else |
| 05:04.56 | yggdrasil_ | i got it dood |
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| 05:05.17 | mentor | waffles: The answer is that the route for the subnet will have eth0 first. |
| 05:05.20 | waffles | nevyn: my switch dosnt support bonding |
| 05:05.29 | yggdrasil_ | i have a ntoher problem i have a smb share mounted in /mnt/storeage but i can only access it as root |
| 05:05.37 | parsonsd | mentor: "default route," yah? |
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| 05:06.03 | mentor | waffles: Probably when the remote IP stack sees a different MAC address in the from field it switches the IP to that MAC |
| 05:06.09 | mentor | parsonsd: No, the subnet route. |
| 05:06.13 | Dwonis | yggdrasil_: man smbmount |
| 05:06.28 | mentor | parsonsd: as in, the local subnet |
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| 05:06.40 | kspath | waffles: do you have the sshd listening on both interfaces? |
| 05:06.41 | Dwonis | yggdrasil_: there should be some options for setting which uid/gid your smb mounts are owned by |
| 05:06.47 | yggdrasil_ | oh |
| 05:06.48 | yggdrasil_ | ok |
| 05:06.57 | waffles | what i realy want is just diffrent hostnames for each nic, so my prossess show up twice on the network |
| 05:07.15 | jbrimble | how can i install samba via apt-get? |
| 05:07.18 | beardy | yggdrasil_: For write permission on the share, you probably have to configure that for each share, in /etc/samba/smb.conf (?) but if users can write to it, it's a matter of how you mount it. |
| 05:07.19 | waffles | kspath: yes, ive sshed into both ips right now, but only eth0 is sending any packits |
| 05:07.27 | nevyn | waffles: install vmware server and run two vm's ;) |
| 05:07.45 | mentor | go forth and understand |
| 05:07.50 | kspath | waffles: you can set the daemon to listen on only one IP and you can even set the port |
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| 05:08.26 | mentor | :P |
| 05:08.30 | Dwonis | BTW, what happened to !mhallsmite? Somebody used it a little while ago, and dpkg just sat there twiddling its thumbs |
| 05:08.51 | yggdrasil_ | well im doing mount -t smbfs -o username=yggdras //olya/storeage /mnt/storeage |
| 05:08.59 | nevyn | there's a dodad in /proc/sys/net/ipv4 that controls if linux attempts to make the routes symetric maybe that would help |
| 05:09.03 | kspath | Dwonis: someone nukes it likely because it tends to offend some people. I tend to think it funny but other do not. |
| 05:09.06 | nevyn | asymetric routing is fun. |
| 05:09.34 | Dwonis | kspath: Yeah, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. |
| 05:09.46 | kspath | !love Dwonis |
| 05:09.53 | waffles | kspath: interesting |
| 05:10.02 | kspath | Dwonis: That the same but oh well. |
| 05:10.15 | mentor | !cmd mhallsmite |
| 05:10.24 | Dwonis | kspath: What's the same? |
| 05:10.30 | mentor | !hi |
| 05:10.30 | dpkg | hello, mentor |
| 05:10.31 | jetscreamer | !literal mhallsmite |
| 05:10.36 | mentor | That's the one |
| 05:10.37 | Dwonis | kspath: That's not the mhallsmite I remember |
| 05:10.42 | beardy | ask dondelelcaro |
| 05:10.44 | kspath | waffles: DNS is not related to networking directly. DNS is for humans and it just used for us. |
| 05:10.49 | mentor | It's probably been locked and ignored because it's annoying |
| 05:10.52 | jetscreamer | !literal love |
| 05:10.52 | dpkg | "#debian love" is "<reply>Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." |
| 05:11.06 | iNAP | hi... i installed gnome, and im stuck on 640x480.. now i think its because i need to install my graphics driver.. and my graphics driver is nvidia.. so how is that done? |
| 05:11.08 | raf256[laptop] | oh damn, my cool server have damaged on of ram |
| 05:11.28 | Dwonis | iNAP: X probably doesn't know what your monitor's limits are |
| 05:11.30 | kspath | Dwonis: I meant to say that was not the same but I am tired and likely thought I had typed the word not. |
| 05:11.32 | yggdrasil_ | ok beardy here goes |
| 05:11.57 | iNAP | Dwonis, i chose 3 resolutions during installation though... |
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| 05:12.48 | kspath | more fun to plot with syrup. |
| 05:13.05 | gravity | ZIM! EATS! WAFFLES! |
| 05:13.08 | Dwonis | iNAP: That doesn't matter. Basically, you need to tell X what the HSync/VRefresh timings of your monitor are, so that it knows what resolutions/refresh rates your monitor is capable of displaying. A lot of times, X will detect it automatically, but it probably isn't in this case. |
| 05:13.29 | iNAP | ok.. so is it in the xorg.conf? |
| 05:13.35 | waffles | kspath: i clearly dont totaly comprehend all the aspects of what im trying to do, could you point me to a good guide (ive tryed searching google, but come up with nothing) |
| 05:13.37 | nevyn | apt-get install read-edid |
| 05:13.41 | kspath | gravity: I thought Zim's whacky robot ate the waffles. |
| 05:13.48 | waffles | gravity: HA! ZIM! |
| 05:13.51 | gravity | kspath: He makes them and zime eats them |
| 05:14.09 | kspath | gravity: dang, my memory is not good. |
| 05:14.22 | nevyn | I like waffles. |
| 05:14.29 | Terat0gen | WAFFLES! |
| 05:14.38 | gravity | heh |
| 05:14.40 | nevyn | but they don't affect me like buritos.. |
| 05:14.49 | kspath | waffles: I do not know what you are trying to do exactly. sorry. |
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| 05:14.52 | nevyn | cause if I don't have buritos I might explode... |
| 05:14.54 | Dwonis | iNAP: Yes. |
| 05:15.01 | nevyn | (that happens to me sometimes) |
| 05:15.19 | nevyn | kspath: Gir |
| 05:15.23 | Dwonis | iNAP: You want something like "HorizSync 30-69" and "VertRefresh 48-125" in your "Monitor" section |
| 05:15.26 | nevyn | is the bot btw |
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| 05:15.43 | kspath | Oh yeah Gir. That bot was/is hilarious. |
| 05:15.52 | Dwonis | iNAP: but obviously you should use the values for your monitor (they should be in the monitor's owner's manual) |
| 05:16.03 | nevyn | word |
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| 05:16.10 | waffles | dude, awesome |
| 05:16.24 | iNAP | yeah i have a lcd.. |
| 05:16.30 | Dwonis | iNAP: What resolution? |
| 05:16.36 | shardy1216 | has anyone here experienced a problem with xdm / kdm logging in using kernel 2.6.12 and the debian testing release |
| 05:17.13 | iNAP | what resolution? i usually run 1024x1xxx i forgot the # |
| 05:17.23 | iNAP | 1280x1024 possible? |
| 05:17.39 | waffles | kspath: i want all my deamons to show up twice, preferably under diffrent names, (i thought assining a difrent hostname to each nic would accomplish this) |
| 05:17.58 | Dwonis | iNAP: It might be the same as mine, then. You could try HorizSync 30-85 and VertRefresh 70-80 |
| 05:18.07 | kspath | 1600x1200 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 320x200 |
| 05:18.23 | iNAP | i think its max is 70.. |
| 05:18.24 | iNAP | hmm |
| 05:18.39 | Dwonis | kspath: Isn't there also something weird like 1280x976 or something? |
| 05:18.46 | iNAP | NEC MultiSync LCD1700V |
| 05:19.01 | kspath | Dwonis: I was just giving the old style somewhat common ones. |
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| 05:19.22 | waffles | lol, i didnt expect to find invader zim fans in #debian :-P |
| 05:19.42 | iNAP | Identifier"NEC LCD1700V" |
| 05:19.44 | gravity | :-) |
| 05:19.46 | iNAP | it did notify it |
| 05:19.47 | kspath | I generally just set 1600x1200 or 1280x1024 or whatever since I do not switch res |
| 05:20.02 | iNAP | Modes"1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 05:20.17 | kspath | waffles: are you running two sshd? |
| 05:20.31 | waffles | yes |
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| 05:20.59 | kspath | waffles: each has their OWN separate sshd_config with only its own IP set? |
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| 05:21.29 | waffles | not so much |
| 05:21.33 | iNAP | Dwonis, i don't see a HorizSYnc or VertRefresh anywhere in xorg.conf |
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| 05:22.02 | kspath | waffles: How do you expect it to work? |
| 05:22.31 | Dwonis | iNAP: That might be the case. Just put the directives in your "Monitors" section, like so: http://pastebin.com/576158 |
| 05:22.33 | waffles | kspath: can i just make sshd_config.eth0 and sshd_config.eth1? |
| 05:22.43 | Dwonis | iNAP: I mean "Monitor" section |
| 05:22.53 | DaveLib | hello i am running sarge i just discovered on the internet ww2d which is a java program simlar to google earth supposedly |
| 05:23.07 | waffles | kspath: i didnt realize that was posible |
| 05:23.20 | kspath | waffles: I never bothered to look. Perhaps I am too weak to assist you. |
| 05:23.20 | zethreth | checkinstall rules over making package with debian/rules |
| 05:23.38 | iNAP | should i keep the 85? |
| 05:23.41 | DaveLib | ww2d 's web page said they reqwuire the java runtime environment |
| 05:23.51 | Dwonis | iNAP: What do you mean? |
| 05:23.59 | kspath | waffles: I would have run separate sshd processes with their own configs one for each IP |
| 05:24.14 | iNAP | 30-85 and 70-80 |
| 05:24.16 | iNAP | should i keep those? |
| 05:24.18 | iNAP | or change them.. |
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| 05:25.07 | Dwonis | iNAP: You're *supposed* to use the ranges that your monitor supports (see your documentation). The HorizSync values are in kHz, and the VertRefresh values are in Hz |
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| 05:25.32 | JdGordon | hey, ive just installed debian onto my laptop and whene i try to plug a usb device in it says "usb.c: usb device not accepting new address=7 (error=-110), any1 have any ideas how to fix it? |
| 05:25.38 | Dwonis | iNAP: If you can't find the correct values, you could *try* mine, since your LCD is similar to mine, but I can't make any promises. |
| 05:25.48 | iNAP | mm.. |
| 05:25.48 | waffles | kspath: cool, i guess im off to research how to do that (im abit if a noob) |
| 05:25.52 | iNAP | ill just google it quickly |
| 05:25.54 | DaveLib | i just found in the synaptic repository listings (not yet installed on my system) a coupe of java runtime vm's jamvm & kaffe |
| 05:26.02 | waffles | much thanks for the help all |
| 05:27.13 | Paivakil | JdGordon: what device is it? |
| 05:27.23 | iNAP | 1280 x 1024 @ 75 Hz (Max) |
| 05:27.35 | yawg | i'm on my old laptop!! |
| 05:27.36 | JdGordon | anything.. same message (different address tho), but same msg fro anything... usb hub/NIC |
| 05:27.45 | Dwonis | DaveLib: If you're installing Sun Java, use java-package, not those unofficial repositories |
| 05:27.46 | DaveLib | is it hopeful for me to get the background needed to run ww2d just from the base sarge repository ie not installing from sun jamvm & kaffe were in the sarge i only have sarge in my binary repositories ie no etch or sid |
| 05:27.58 | yawg | running debian |
| 05:28.14 | shardy1216 | has anyone here experienced a problem with xdm / kdm logging in using kernel 2.6.12 and the debian testing release? got fed up with kubuntu and switched back to debian on this comp and I can't log in |
| 05:28.14 | Paivakil | JdGordon: old h/w? |
| 05:28.18 | iNAP | i don't see kHz though |
| 05:28.32 | JdGordon | Paivakil: ye, cept last time i installed it worked fine |
| 05:28.38 | DaveLib | dwonis: but is it better for me to avoid sun java and use some debian alternatives? |
| 05:29.14 | iNAP | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.16 | iNAP | ah here we go |
| 05:29.30 | iNAP | ok after i save it, do i reboot? |
| 05:29.31 | Dwonis | DaveLib: If they work, yes. Unfortunately, Java is still a lot less portable than Sun says, and some apps don't work without Sun's runtime. |
| 05:29.41 | Dwonis | iNAP: You shouldn't have to reboot. |
| 05:29.58 | Dwonis | iNAP: How did you run X? Did you log in via a text or a graphical login? |
| 05:29.59 | iNAP | i go to screen resolution |
| 05:30.06 | iNAP | graphical login |
| 05:30.08 | Paivakil | JdGordon: why did you reinstall then? did the versions change? |
| 05:30.10 | iNAP | im already in gnome though |
| 05:30.13 | DaveLib | dwonis: ok so maybe install those other vm's first and try ww2d with them and only then turn to sun? |
| 05:30.18 | Dwonis | iNAP: ok, just log out and log in again. |
| 05:30.20 | mentor | And of course, you have to have the right Graphics ToolKit |
| 05:30.25 | JdGordon | Paivakil: no, i tryed another distroa dn didnt like ti |
| 05:30.28 | Dwonis | iNAP: However |
| 05:30.34 | Dwonis | uh oh |
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| 05:30.46 | parsonsd | dwonis: i should imagine that merely restarting the X server is enough at this point for iNAP |
| 05:31.02 | itguy | is stew still here |
| 05:31.03 | itguy | ?? |
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| 05:31.10 | Supaplex | !seen stew |
| 05:31.10 | dpkg | stew is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 170 messages. Is idling for 3h 40m 48s |
| 05:31.16 | Dwonis | parsonsd: Yes. I just hope he is able to recover if the changes *don't* work. :/ |
| 05:31.25 | DaveLib | i wonder about polluting my sarge system by adding a foreign package like something from sun |
| 05:31.39 | Dwonis | DaveLib: Good idea |
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| 05:31.55 | parsonsd | dwonis: details. :) |
| 05:31.55 | iNAP | ok it didn't change anything, and i can't change the resolution. |
| 05:31.56 | iNAP | ill brb. |
| 05:31.56 | Paivakil | JdGordon: what does `lsmod |grep usb` say? that tells you if the right modules for usb are loaded |
| 05:32.05 | itguy | oh |
| 05:32.22 | itguy | coz he was helping me this morning with my startx |
| 05:32.42 | itguy | i can't get my startx to work |
| 05:33.01 | itguy | keeps saying something about the mouse |
| 05:33.08 | JdGordon | Paivakil: usb-ohci 16488 0 (unused) |
| 05:33.08 | JdGordon | usbcore 52268 1 [usb-ohci pegasus] |
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| 05:33.20 | parsonsd | dwonis, quite right that it's much better to log in at a console prompt and start X from the console |
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| 05:33.31 | parsonsd | i recall that is how i worked with mine. |
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| 05:34.24 | sess | I have an earlier ati radeon (mobility?) inside my thinkpad. I tried the fglrx driver but when I try to load the module it says the device cannot be found. I assume this means that my hardware is too old for this driver? Is there another radeon driver or am I stuck with no 3d acceleration? |
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| 05:35.57 | JdGordon | Paivakil: any idea? |
| 05:36.19 | Paivakil | did the specific devices work on the other distro? sometimes, the modules for the specific device are not being loaded automatically? (try dmesg |grep usb and put the result in a paster) |
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| 05:37.03 | JdGordon | Paivakil: ye, worked fine before... |
| 05:37.15 | itguy | any ideas |
| 05:38.02 | itguy | dpkg-reconfiguer xserver-xfree86 ...tell me that xserver is not installed???!! |
| 05:38.41 | Dwonis | itguy: xserver-xorg ? |
| 05:39.10 | itguy | Dwonis: bad command |
| 05:39.22 | Dwonis | itguy: sigh. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:39.27 | JdGordon | i cant paste the result coz no net... but i have 3 lines "usb.c: registered new driver [usbdevfs,hub,pegasus]" abd "usb.c: new usb bus registered, assigned bus number 1", then errors "usb.c: usb device not accepting new address..." |
| 05:39.45 | Dwonis | JdGordon: Ever used lynx or w3m? |
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| 05:40.11 | itguy | Dwonis: is not installed! |
| 05:40.13 | Dwonis | JdGordon: (text-based web browsers. Very handy for when X won't start) |
| 05:40.20 | Dwonis | itguy: Are you running X right now? |
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| 05:40.25 | JdGordon | Dwonis: yes, but my problem is no usb, not no X |
| 05:40.29 | Thanatermesis | any SWISS please ? |
| 05:40.30 | itguy | Dwonis: nope |
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| 05:40.54 | Dwonis | itguy: then maybe you need to install x? |
| 05:41.11 | raf256 | W: GPG error: http://192.168.44.20 testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 05:41.14 | raf256 | ^-- wtf? yes, I updated 2006 keys |
| 05:41.18 | Dwonis | Does dpkg (the bot) know about how to install X? |
| 05:41.31 | raf256 | also I added "stable" to apt, since I need to install one pack from stable on my unstable debian box |
| 05:41.34 | itguy | Dwonis: it was working fine this morning ...untill i did apt-get install usbmngr |
| 05:41.40 | itguy | mess up everything |
| 05:42.00 | Dwonis | itguy: usbmgr? isn't that obsolete? |
| 05:42.14 | itguy | Dwonis: waht u mean ? |
| 05:42.28 | mentor | yeah. ages ago. |
| 05:42.30 | Dwonis | usbmgr: I think you're supposed to use udev now |
| 05:42.37 | Dwonis | or possibly hotplug? I can't remember |
| 05:43.03 | itguy | Dwonis: okay ..do u know how i can fix this problem |
| 05:43.13 | JdGordon | do i just reinstall and prey? |
| 05:43.22 | Dwonis | itguy: well, the first thing would be to purge usbmgr |
| 05:44.08 | Dwonis | itguy: Then you might want to apt-get install --reinstall udev |
| 05:44.30 | Dwonis | itguy: But I've never really done that (installed usbmgr on a newer system) so I don't know |
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| 05:45.01 | Dwonis | Does sarge use udev, or does it still use hotplug? |
| 05:45.07 | itguy | Dwonis: can i just do apt-get install --reinstall udev |
| 05:45.45 | Dwonis | itguy: Run "uname -r". What does it say/ |
| 05:45.45 | Dwonis | ? |
| 05:46.17 | itguy | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 05:46.36 | Dwonis | itguy: I strongly recommend removing usbmgr, since it might interfere with udev |
| 05:46.50 | iNAP | Dwonis, im back. i did what you told me, and it didn't change anything. any ideas? |
| 05:46.58 | itguy | Dwonis: what will be the cmd to remove it please |
| 05:47.09 | Dwonis | itguy: apt-get remove --purge usbmgr |
| 05:47.43 | Dwonis | iNAP: Can you paste your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere (like http://channels.debian.net/paste) ? |
| 05:48.30 | iNAP | ok |
| 05:48.50 | Dwonis | iNAP: Also, be sure to keep a copy of xorg.conf somewhere, so that if you do something that prevents X from starting, you'll be able to recover. |
| 05:48.53 | itguy | Dwonis: done..what next |
| 05:49.03 | Dwonis | itguy: apt-get install --reinstall udev |
| 05:49.21 | iNAP | ill paste it in flood |
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| 05:49.52 | yggdrasil_ | hey beardy... sudo apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 ? |
| 05:49.59 | Dwonis | iNAP: You shouldn't. They're kind of big for #flood |
| 05:50.18 | itguy | Dwonis: done... whats the next step |
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| 05:50.42 | Dwonis | itguy: with any luck, /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 05:51.47 | itguy | Dwonis: i got failed and required kernel 2.6.12 |
| 05:52.08 | Dwonis | itguy: ah. ok. try "apt-get install --reinstall hotplug" |
| 05:52.18 | unix_infidel | debian still uses hotplug? |
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| 05:52.53 | Dwonis | itguy: also, you should might need "devfsd", if you had that before |
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| 05:53.44 | itguy | Dwonis: option Y or I :install the pakage...what is that Y or I |
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| 05:54.38 | Dwonis | itguy: can you be more detailed? |
| 05:55.05 | wt | anyone here know if the is an equivalent for Suggests of Aptitude::Recommends-Important? |
| 05:55.26 | itguy | Dwonis: i'll reboot and comeback |
| 05:55.34 | wt | Aptitude::Suggests-Important doesn't seem do what I want (according to the docs) |
| 05:55.37 | Dwonis | itguy: eek! |
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| 05:55.56 | Dwonis | egad. he's going to reboot while he was messing with udev/usbmgr/hotplug |
| 05:55.59 | hellop | Anyone know how to rerun the config utility that runs when you install x-window-system? |
| 05:56.18 | unix_infidel | xorgconfig? |
| 05:56.34 | wt | Suggests-Important is an obsoleted option that just makes sure packages stay installed if something suggests them (like Aptitude::Keep-Suggests) |
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| 05:56.46 | Dwonis | hellop: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" ? |
| 05:56.46 | wt | I don't wanna install suggested packages by default |
| 05:56.51 | hellop | unix_infidel nope |
| 05:57.08 | g8se | Hi All. Anyone know of a tool to merge apt repositories that you've mirrored? |
| 05:57.15 | Dwonis | wt: You're right. You don't :) |
| 05:57.42 | wt | Dwonis: but aptitude does this by default |
| 05:57.49 | Dwonis | g8se: Don't. It won't work with Packages file signing, anyway |
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| 05:57.55 | wt | Dwonis: is there a way to disable? |
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| 05:58.21 | g8se | Dwonis: happy for the merged repository to resign the package files |
| 05:58.29 | Dwonis | wt: It does? oh, I dunno then. |
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| 05:58.42 | wt | Dwonis: with postfix it does |
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| 05:59.05 | itguy | Dwonis: it's working now thanks for ur help... |
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| 05:59.18 | Dwonis | itguy: no problem |
| 05:59.28 | wt | its trying to install mail-reader, which brings in mew-beta, which brings in emacs21, which I don't want installed |
| 05:59.41 | itguy | Dwonis: but now i have a bold "X" in the center of my screen and it's not the mouse |
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| 05:59.52 | wt | Dwonis: postfix suggests mail-reader |
| 06:00.07 | Dwonis | wt: No, postfix "Recommends:" mail-reader |
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| 06:00.31 | hellop | that was is Dwonis: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:00.36 | hellop | I always wondered thanks. |
| 06:00.45 | Dwonis | hellop: you're welcome |
| 06:00.48 | wt | Dwonis: thanks for the reality check |
| 06:00.56 | Dwonis | wt: :) |
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| 06:03.38 | Dwonis | itguy: how do you know it's not the mouse? |
| 06:04.04 | Dwonis | iNAP: Is this a dual-head configuration? |
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| 06:05.52 | itguy | Dwonis: coz when i move the mouse i can see the arrow! |
| 06:06.25 | Dwonis | itguy: weird. No idea. |
| 06:06.46 | Dwonis | itguy: It's not just your desktop background, right? |
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| 06:07.19 | itguy | Dwonis: no...but i thinkit's like another mouse pointer or something |
| 06:07.38 | Dwonis | Does X support multiple mouse pointers? I thought it didn't. |
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| 06:07.53 | itguy | Dwonis: what is the cmd....modprobe mouse something! |
| 06:08.12 | Dwonis | itguy: No idea. mousedev, maybe? |
| 06:08.22 | HermanDE | Dwonis: Yes.... |
| 06:08.28 | unix_infidel | ummmmmmmm.....hey guys, anyone know about the problems with this weeks netinstall isos? |
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| 06:08.36 | unix_infidel | i'm getting a load installer components from CD error |
| 06:08.39 | HermanDE | Dwonis: I used to have a mouse pad and a usb mouse going at the same time with woody.... |
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| 06:08.49 | unix_infidel | it asks if i wanna continue the install without loading kernel modules? |
| 06:08.52 | useruser_ | I just installed man2html and apache serves the binary instead of executing it... any tips? |
| 06:08.59 | unix_infidel | should i try and find another testing install iso? |
| 06:09.18 | Dwonis | HermanDE: I know it supports more than 1 mouse *device*, but 2 separate pointers on the screen? |
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| 06:10.04 | HermanDE | Dwonis: Hmm..... I remember reading about an enhancement...... |
| 06:10.07 | wt | Dwonis: I think that recommending those packages is wrong for postfix |
| 06:10.19 | unix_infidel | anyone? |
| 06:11.20 | Dwonis | wt: perhaps, but you can just use aptitude -R (--without-recommends) or Aptitude::Recommends-Important |
| 06:11.33 | Dwonis | wt: In any case, I'm not the maintainer of postfix, so I can't help you with that :) |
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| 06:11.53 | HermanDE | Now for my magical Q.... Anybody know of an app that can dig into APT and produce a nice graphical diagram of the deps of specific packages? |
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| 06:12.01 | olimaene | does anyone know a program that finds out .rar passwords? |
| 06:12.47 | streuner | olimaene: no |
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| 06:12.56 | wt | Dwonis: exim4 and sendmail both don't recommend either package |
| 06:13.05 | streuner | olimaene: why, do you have lost yours? |
| 06:13.11 | wt | Dwonis: I'll file a bug and see what the maintainers says |
| 06:13.12 | HermanDE | olimaene: Might want to try and use a dictionary attack.... Just pipe it in... |
| 06:13.13 | olimaene | yes |
| 06:13.29 | streuner | create a new rar? |
| 06:13.32 | chino[server] | whats the admin id when setting up ldap ? it asked for my password but i didn't catch the user name ? |
| 06:13.35 | kevix | HermanDE: man apt-cache and search for 'dotty' |
| 06:13.41 | unix_infidel | anyone know about this weeks debian netinstall isos being broken, i'm installing the testing netinstall iso and itsays "Loader Installer components from CD" where it asks whether i should continue the installer without loading any of the kernel modules. |
| 06:14.08 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: Your best bet is probably to install sarge, and then upgrade to testing |
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| 06:14.22 | unix_infidel | Dwonis: i'm gonna blow another 3 cent CD. |
| 06:14.36 | unix_infidel | it seems the image from the debian.org "debian-installer" page is back up so i hope that the image is fixed. |
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| 06:14.55 | unix_infidel | Dwonis: i got this image from the beta2 isos. |
| 06:15.01 | pushpop | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.07 | Stevie | smbmount |
| 06:15.30 | pushpop | Stevie: what would be the proper syntax |
| 06:15.33 | pushpop | I know the command |
| 06:16.01 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: If it's really a problem, I'd file a bug against debian-installer (I think), and then I'd spend the extra 3 cents :) |
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| 06:16.12 | Agrajag- | pushpop: smbmount //192.168.1.102/hi /mnt/foo ? |
| 06:16.17 | unix_infidel | Dwonis: well the thing is....they've mentioned this in the errata. |
| 06:16.17 | HermanDE | kevix: Thanks.... I think that'll work.... |
| 06:16.18 | guk | sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=aaaa,password=aaaa //192.168.1.102/160gb /data |
| 06:16.23 | unix_infidel | but tat was from this saturday. |
| 06:16.25 | guk | that's the one you want |
| 06:16.25 | guk | :) |
| 06:16.32 | guk | most windows machines have a user/pass |
| 06:16.37 | unix_infidel | i'm still contemplating installing sarge and just changing sources and doing an upgrade with apt-get. |
| 06:16.48 | unix_infidel | Dwonis: that sounds like a pain though....and excess bandwith usage. |
| 06:16.48 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: I'm not familiar with the new installer; I don't really know. |
| 06:16.58 | unix_infidel | Dwonis: its the beta1 installer.... |
| 06:17.02 | unix_infidel | just screws up when loading kernel modules. |
| 06:17.02 | pushpop | ok thanks guk |
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| 06:17.53 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: It's not that much more bandwidth, if you do a *minimal* 2.6 install (i.e. don't select any task packages on the initial install). |
| 06:17.54 | kevix | HermanDE: just dont use it for libc6 ! its impossible to render! |
| 06:18.06 | deadcat | i have the useragent extention for firefox, but everytime i restart ff, the damn thing resets back to default agent. what up? |
| 06:18.12 | unix_infidel | Dwonis: yea, this is gonna be a minimalist install. |
| 06:18.25 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: but if you want to try and get the beta installer to work (and thus help the installer guys out) then great :) |
| 06:18.26 | unix_infidel | i suppose i should install sarge first and upgarde to etch. |
| 06:18.42 | unix_infidel | Dwonis: i'm a semi-newb trying to convert to debian. |
| 06:18.53 | unix_infidel | i dont think I have the ear of the "installer gods" |
| 06:19.24 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: I can't speak for them, but there's probably a mailing list at lists.debian.org for the installer, if you want to pursue it. |
| 06:19.28 | chino[server] | wahts the default user thats created when setting up ldap ? |
| 06:19.38 | pushpop | guk or Agrajag it says ls: .: Permission denied |
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| 06:19.44 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: But if you just want to have it _work_, that's my suggestion. |
| 06:19.54 | unix_infidel | Dwonis: that's the plan. |
| 06:20.07 | unix_infidel | gonna download the sarge netinstall iso while i'm studying.... |
| 06:20.14 | unix_infidel | if this etch netinstall iso get effed up. |
| 06:20.25 | Terat0gen | netbsd livecd, comin' up! |
| 06:20.46 | HermanDE | kevix: Nope, Just the common apps... Samba, Apache, Cups... etc.etc |
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| 06:21.03 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: Just make sure when you boot the sarge installer to explicitly specify Linux 2.6. Otherwise, I think you'll get 2.4, and then you have to do the 2.4->2.6 upgrade, which is more work. |
| 06:21.37 | unix_infidel | Dwonis: any real advantage to upgrading from sarge to etch as opposed to straight etch install? |
| 06:21.48 | unix_infidel | i mean the config files are probably different for these updated packages no? |
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| 06:22.12 | Diazepa1 | guys guys trying to install debian sarge on an old machine (to use as a router) AMD 500Mhz and it stalls at message "Checking 'hlt' instruction" how can i get past this |
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| 06:22.57 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: I don't know. I'm just suggesting it because all of us who *already* have Debian installed would have just upgraded to etch using "apt-get dist-upgrade" (or even just a regular upgrade), so those code paths are much more well-tested |
| 06:23.05 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: and thus more likely to work |
| 06:23.42 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: but you probably *will* run into the "PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE" problem, eventually :) |
| 06:23.53 | unix_infidel | eh? |
| 06:23.59 | dondelelcaro | Diazepa1: try turning off acpi for starters |
| 06:24.01 | unix_infidel | wtf is that? |
| 06:24.04 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: see the /topic |
| 06:24.33 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: Debian is slowly introducing signed packages |
| 06:24.44 | unix_infidel | LOL, about damn time. |
| 06:24.53 | dondelelcaro | we've had signed packages for ages |
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| 06:25.06 | dondelelcaro | it's the only way that packages actually get into the archive. |
| 06:25.06 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: define "ages" |
| 06:25.14 | unix_infidel | lol, ok then. |
| 06:25.16 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: for at least the past 8 years |
| 06:25.17 | Dwonis | right. I mean for getting from the archiges to me |
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| 06:25.31 | Dwonis | i.e. apt-get actually checking signatures |
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| 06:25.57 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: apt-secure has been able to check the signatures on the Release files for a while now; I don't rememeber when that functionality was added. |
| 06:26.15 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: apt itself only recently got it, but that's because we couldn't upgrade it while base was frozen. |
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| 06:26.33 | dondelelcaro | (but this is distinct from singed debs, which is what debsign does) |
| 06:26.48 | dondelelcaro | s/debsign/dpkg-sig/ |
| 06:27.01 | unix_infidel | hmm, so the general conscensus is do sarge netinstall and then upgrade to etch after changing sources? |
| 06:27.01 | xsquared | hi, in phpsysinfo, it says mem usage is 99%. how can i figure out the process that is using all the memory? |
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| 06:27.37 | mentor | OK, so I've heard of a key singing, but package singing is jsut silly |
| 06:27.52 | kevix | some info from #debian-devel: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for releases, release candidates, betas, etc; |
| 06:27.56 | kevix | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today for the current status of nightlies. |
| 06:28.04 | Dwonis | I didn't actually mean the packages were signed. I think we sign Packages.bz2 files, right? |
| 06:28.04 | dondelelcaro | mentor: there singed, not singing. :-) |
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| 06:28.06 | deadcat | can someone using sid without experimental in their sources.list do a apt-cache search transset for me please. |
| 06:28.24 | dondelelcaro | !+info transset |
| 06:28.26 | dpkg | Package 'transset' does not exist. |
| 06:28.26 | jm_ | deadcat: pdo can do that for you |
| 06:28.31 | deadcat | ah |
| 06:28.45 | Dwonis | jm_: Does p.d.o work again |
| 06:28.50 | deadcat | nope. |
| 06:28.54 | deadcat | Dwonis: /topic |
| 06:28.58 | kevix | deadcat: I installed it a month ago for trying the 'transparent' xorg effect. |
| 06:29.18 | xsquared | can someone help me figure out the process using the most memory? |
| 06:29.19 | deadcat | kevix: i have it. thats why i cant tell if its from my cache or not |
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| 06:29.39 | jm_ | Dwonis: its substitute host provides most of the features |
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| 06:29.43 | Dwonis | deadcat: ah, right. "pdo".debian.net. I thought he was referring to packages.debian.org itself |
| 06:29.51 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: so why is xcompmgr and transset still in experimental? i've seen those there for like few weeks now. shouldnt they move to sid? |
| 06:29.52 | yggdrasil_ | how do i configure my wireless settings |
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| 06:30.07 | deadcat | yggdrasil_: man iwconfig |
| 06:30.12 | yggdrasil_ | thanks |
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| 06:30.22 | xsquared | :'-( |
| 06:30.24 | xsquared | anyone? |
| 06:30.42 | yggdrasil_ | it workes fine in the default kernel 2.4 but when i upgraded it didnt automaticly connect.. wierd |
| 06:30.47 | Dwonis | xsquared: you could try top, although it lies sometimes |
| 06:30.51 | kevix | deadcat: mine was from experimental. |
| 06:30.52 | HXanadu | hi |
| 06:30.57 | deadcat | kevix: same here. |
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| 06:31.18 | unix_infidel | hmm, so the general conscensus is do sarge netinstall and then upgrade to etch after changing sources? |
| 06:31.25 | xsquared | Dwonis, i tried using that.... i can't see all the processes listed |
| 06:31.36 | Dwonis | xsquared: press "M" (capital-M) |
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| 06:32.00 | kevix | deadcat: policy says experimental packages do not move to sid. they are release into sid when they are ready for geneal testing. |
| 06:32.10 | Dwonis | xsquared: But ignore the line that says X is using some ridiculous amount of memory, because it isn't. :) |
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| 06:32.51 | xsquared | WTF |
| 06:33.06 | deadcat | kevix: but other packages in experimental gets to sid faster than transset and xcompmgr though. like i've been upgrading and lot of packages are upgraded |
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| 06:33.16 | xsquared | Mem: 483944k total, 250544k used, 233400k free, 28068k buffers |
| 06:33.21 | xsquared | wtf |
| 06:33.28 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: packages don't move from experimental to sid. |
| 06:33.32 | xsquared | today when i was at work, the computer was at 99% |
| 06:33.33 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: they have to be reuploaded. |
| 06:33.40 | xsquared | it seems to have dropped |
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| 06:33.53 | Dwonis | deadcat: I'm quite happy that packages that could potentially hose X stay in experimental until they're really ready |
| 06:33.54 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: reuploaded straight to sid? |
| 06:33.59 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yes. |
| 06:34.02 | deadcat | ah |
| 06:34.06 | Dwonis | xsquared: What's the problem? |
| 06:34.21 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: then the maintainer might just gave up on xcompmgr and transset because of Xgl and compiz (= |
| 06:34.42 | swappp | after installing new kernel, got this msg during boot-up: swap activatin failed with error code 255. couldn't find any choice in kernel config to acitvate swap. where's the fault? |
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| 06:34.57 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: possible; you can always ask |
| 06:35.11 | Dwonis | swappp: when you run "swapon -a" what happens? |
| 06:35.16 | Dwonis | swappp: (as root) |
| 06:35.24 | unix_infidel | lol, if anyone cares the image that's backup for testing on the debian-installer page is fucked up too :P |
| 06:35.26 | swappp | after installing new kernel, got this msg during boot-up: swap activatin failed with error code 255. couldn't find any choice in kernel config to acitvate swap. where's the fault? |
| 06:35.27 | unix_infidel | another coaster. |
| 06:35.34 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: its cool. i was just wondering why it took so long. because i thought experimental to sid works like sid to testing |
| 06:35.37 | swappp | sorry, hit the wrong key. |
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| 06:35.55 | Aghaster | hi |
| 06:35.58 | kevix | deadcat: when something goes into sid, its meant to try to make it into testing and then stable. nothing in experimental has that intent. |
| 06:36.15 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: by the way. i am using the clearlooks theme with split gradient effect http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/thunar.png (the scrollbar) let me know if you want the .deb |
| 06:36.17 | swappp | Dwonis, good question. can't try it right now b'cos i am running on anothe kernel. |
| 06:36.40 | bkankur | hello friends.. i am using PC host as p4 machine and target as i386.Both are having debian 3.1r1 sarge. Now using pc host i hve already cross compile the kernel 2.6.8 using i386 toolchain. But when i boot the target using the compiled kernel on PC host it shows an error "Could not load modules /lib/modules/2.6.8/modules.dep" so any suggestions from your side |
| 06:36.41 | deadcat | kevix: well. xorg 7.0 is in experimental. |
| 06:36.42 | Dwonis | swappp: Was it a kernel you compiled yourself? |
| 06:36.50 | swappp | Dwonis, yeh. |
| 06:36.55 | Aghaster | i'd like to know, are there any good books for guys like me who would like to get a comfortable feeling with debian? i mean, a book explaining all i would need to know in order to use debian |
| 06:37.00 | Dwonis | swappp: Perhaps, was CONFIG_SWAP disabled? |
| 06:37.06 | CompWizrd | bkankur: using modutils-tools? |
| 06:37.07 | jm_ | you can only disable support for swap space in kernel if you enable CONFIG_EMBEDDED |
| 06:37.10 | kevix | deadcat: I know! I dont have X until they get the depenecies for Xorg ready!!!!!! |
| 06:37.31 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:38.03 | swappp | Dwonis, i was looking for something like that. under which section would it be? i've tried 'filesystem'. |
| 06:38.10 | kevix | Aghaster: the debian bible is a intro to linux/debian book. the debian system is a debian-specific book for advanced users. |
| 06:38.20 | Dwonis | blankur: try "depmod -a 2.6.8" |
| 06:38.24 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: did i tell you my ibook died? mainboard or video problem again. luckily applecare till aug.. |
| 06:38.41 | Dwonis | swappp: Just search your .config file |
| 06:38.54 | Dwonis | swappp: You should see CONFIG_SWAP=y |
| 06:39.17 | swappp | Dwonis, hope that is the problem. thks. |
| 06:39.19 | Aghaster | kevix: ok, so what book would you recommend for me? |
| 06:39.27 | kevix | deadcat: if you want to SEE how packages get into stable, see my diagram at http://debian.home.pipeline.com (now in es,pt_BR, and en_US) |
| 06:39.28 | Dwonis | swappp: If it's not that, it could be that your /dev filesystem isn't set up right |
| 06:39.29 | swappp | i mean the cause of the problem. |
| 06:39.34 | Aghaster | as i'm not an advanced linux user |
| 06:39.50 | bkankur | CompWizrd: can you elaborate more on "modutils-tools" pls |
| 06:39.54 | swappp | Dwonis, that would be under /etc/fstab,right? |
| 06:40.19 | Dwonis | swappp: probably not... |
| 06:40.29 | deadcat | kevix: nice. looks complicated. |
| 06:40.30 | Dwonis | swappp: What kernel version is this? |
| 06:40.30 | bkankur | Dwonis: i need to run the depmod command on target or on PC host. |
| 06:40.44 | kevix | Aghaster: any linux book to learn more,maybe the 'debian bible'. there are generela books you can read that are in the debian apt-get system. |
| 06:41.05 | kevix | deadcat: yes. debian is not simple! |
| 06:41.17 | Aghaster | ok |
| 06:41.18 | Dwonis | bkankur: I'm not sure what you mean the PC or the target, but I think the target |
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| 06:41.43 | swappp | Dwonis, 2.6.15. i think fstab is the problem. just checked. i have 'none' for mount point for the swap partition. |
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| 06:41.54 | Dwonis | swappp: That's correct |
| 06:41.58 | deadcat | kevix: sarge release party? i have that tshirt the dude's wearing.. but mine shrunk like a bitch now )= |
| 06:42.12 | Dwonis | swappp: swap space doesn't really get mounted anywhere |
| 06:42.15 | kevix | Aghaster: I'd suggest 'apt-get install rutebook' its in non-free |
| 06:42.21 | Dwonis | swappp: What's the device? /dev/hda2? |
| 06:42.28 | kevix | deadcat: hehe. |
| 06:42.32 | swappp | Dwonis, yeh, good guess. |
| 06:42.33 | Aghaster | its non-free? |
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| 06:42.44 | Dwonis | swappp: Do you have the "udev" package installed? |
| 06:42.56 | swappp | no |
| 06:43.01 | Dwonis | swappp: You might need it |
| 06:43.15 | deadcat | kevix: man you guys are hardcore. (= |
| 06:43.19 | kevix | Aghaster: in /etc/apt/sources.list there are section for 'main' 'contrib' 'non-free' on most lines. |
| 06:43.19 | Dwonis | swappp: You'll also need tmpfs support on the new kernel, if you don't have it already |
| 06:43.25 | useruser_ | can someone help me get /cgi-bin/ to work with apache2? |
| 06:43.30 | Aghaster | ok |
| 06:43.36 | useruser_ | the #apache2 people moan about debian doing things differently :) |
| 06:43.40 | swappp | Dwonis, played with that before. it is for i/o device. can't affect swap, can it? |
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| 06:43.45 | kevix | deadcat: x-) I made the cake! |
| 06:43.48 | useruser_ | er, #apache even |
| 06:43.59 | deadcat | kevix: hahahah. nice |
| 06:44.01 | CompWizrd | bkankur: sorry, module-init-tools.. not enough sleep |
| 06:44.06 | deadcat | looks good too |
| 06:44.07 | swappp | Dwonis, i mean udev. |
| 06:44.13 | Dwonis | swappp: If swapon can't find the device node in /dev for your swap, then it can't set up swap |
| 06:44.15 | CompWizrd | you need that vs modutils, for a v2.6 kernel |
| 06:44.33 | useruser_ | at the moment, I see the binary /usr/lib/cgi-bin/man/man2html instead of its output |
| 06:45.05 | swappp | Dwonis, so could be kernel config or install udev. |
| 06:45.16 | Dwonis | useruser_: a2enmod cgi |
| 06:45.30 | useruser_ | Dwonis: pardon? |
| 06:45.32 | kevix | unix_infidel: did you see my links for debian-installer info? |
| 06:45.37 | Dwonis | swappp: What kernel are you running now? |
| 06:45.37 | bkankur | Dwonis : pc Host contains p4 processor while target contains i386. I am cross compiling kernel using PC host for target |
| 06:45.41 | useruser_ | Dwonis: ooh, nifty :) |
| 06:45.46 | unix_infidel | kevix: nope. |
| 06:45.46 | Dwonis | useruser_: It's a command. Run "a2enmod.... yeah |
| 06:45.48 | swappp | 2.6.8 |
| 06:45.53 | swappp | w/o udev. |
| 06:46.03 | kevix | some info from #debian-devel: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for releases, release candidates, betas, etc; |
| 06:46.15 | useruser_ | Dwonis: thanks! I should never have asked in #apache, they clearly know nothing :) |
| 06:46.16 | kevix | unix_infidel: did you see my links for debian-installer info? |
| 06:46.18 | Dwonis | swappp: Yeah. Newer kernels deprecated devfs and hotplug in favour of udev |
| 06:46.34 | Dwonis | useruser_: Glad I could help :) |
| 06:46.46 | Aghaster | kevix: should i install debian x86_64 or debian i386 on my system, as x86_64 often leads to problems? |
| 06:46.46 | kevix | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today for the current status of nightlies. |
| 06:47.13 | unix_infidel | kevix: yea...both of the etch isos are giving the same error. |
| 06:47.15 | Aghaster | kevix: i had issues related to my platform in the past, when trying to install Nvu for example |
| 06:47.20 | unix_infidel | beta2 and the one vailable from the installer page. |
| 06:47.30 | unix_infidel | kevix: i've sen both of those before i tried them. |
| 06:47.34 | kevix | Aghaster: its safest to start with i386. once you know more, you can install faster kernels. |
| 06:47.34 | swappp | Dwonis, so, with 2.6.15, i don't choose 'hotplug'? udev is not a choice in kernel config, have to be installed, right? |
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| 06:47.41 | unix_infidel | going in favor of the sarge iso and then upgrade to etch. |
| 06:47.55 | Dwonis | swappp: Sorry, "udev" and "hotplug" are not kernel options, they're Debian packages |
| 06:48.09 | Aghaster | kevix: ok, thanks for the advice |
| 06:48.11 | unix_infidel | wait so sarge still uses hotplug? |
| 06:48.17 | Dwonis | swappp: udev uses tmpfs |
| 06:48.25 | swappp | Dwonis, there are choices for 'hotplug' in kernel config. |
| 06:48.25 | unix_infidel | so i need to do "devfs=nomount" in grub and remove hotplug? |
| 06:48.40 | unix_infidel | when i upgrade to etch? |
| 06:48.56 | jm_ | hotplug is a kernel option, udev needs it |
| 06:49.23 | kevix | unix_infidel: in udev version after sarge, udev incorperates hotplug functionality, thus it is no longer a seperate package in testing or unstable |
| 06:49.29 | Dwonis | swappp: Those "hotplug" choices are unrelated (and you probably still want them, if you have them already) |
| 06:49.49 | swappp | Dwonis, jm_, thks, rather confusing. |
| 06:49.51 | Dwonis | swappp: basically, 2.6.15 doesn't have devfs anymore. You're expected to have udev installed |
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| 06:50.59 | unix_infidel | hmm, this is odd, the kernel module for my eth device is forcedeth but sarge doesnt seem to like it when i manually select it from the list it gives me. |
| 06:51.03 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: Depends on the kernel you're using. Older 2.6 kernels need hotplug. Newer ones need udev. Also, you don't need to explicitly remove hotplug, since it will be removed when you install udev. |
| 06:51.21 | jm_ | swappp: don't listen to Dwonis, it's not unrelated, it's highly related to udev (but there are two hotplug config entries and he's confusing them) |
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| 06:51.35 | unix_infidel | then it asks me for kernel module options which there shouldnt be any. |
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| 06:51.44 | jm_ | streuner: ditto here |
| 06:51.44 | Dwonis | jm_, swappp: yes. I mean it's not related to the "hotplug" that I said to remove. |
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| 06:52.02 | deadcat | streuner: only 1 way to find out. |
| 06:52.03 | dondelelcaro | heh. yeah, hadn't even gotten that far yet. |
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| 06:52.51 | deadcat | ootput: try this: http://debian.sshonly.sytes.net/i386/gtk2-engines-clearlooks_2.7.3-1_i386.deb |
| 06:52.53 | Dwonis | bkankur: that's not normally called "cross compiling" (but I suppose it really is, in a way), but ok |
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| 06:53.10 | Dwonis | bkankur: Did the depmod command work? |
| 06:53.12 | kevix | streuner: with out udev, then I guess you have the 'old' static /dev? |
| 06:53.25 | Dwonis | kevix: Or devfs |
| 06:53.37 | swappp | another problem during boot-up. "Starting periodic command scheduler: cron. Configuration syntax error detected. Not reloading." What to look for? |
| 06:53.46 | Dwonis | kevix: oh wait, nevermind |
| 06:53.46 | kevix | Dwonis: yup x-) |
| 06:53.55 | Dwonis | 2.6.15 doesn't have devfs |
| 06:54.02 | Dwonis | (finally. devfs was an ugly hack) |
| 06:54.15 | kevix | swappp: check you cron entries. |
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| 06:54.38 | swappp | kevix, in crontab? check for what? |
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| 06:55.00 | kevix | swappp: did you add any entries recently? |
| 06:55.41 | yggdrasil_ | bearded |
| 06:55.54 | swappp | kevix, i did an update.rc. |
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| 06:56.21 | swappp | don't remember touching any cron entries. |
| 06:56.44 | jm_ | check logs, perhaps it gives more details there |
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| 06:56.58 | kevix | swappp: update-rc is for runlevel symlink configuration. not sure about error. |
| 06:56.59 | unix_infidel | CRAP! |
| 06:57.03 | unix_infidel | IT LOADED 2.4 AS DEFAULT. |
| 06:57.06 | unix_infidel | effing a |
| 06:57.31 | swappp | jm_, yeh, got to look at syslog. |
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| 06:57.46 | tehhh | guys, how can i exclude the linux-image-something package from the updates/dist-upgrades no a debian testing system. i don't want so frequent kernel image updates. |
| 06:58.36 | unix_infidel | it didnt even give me an option to use the 2.6 kernel :( |
| 06:58.41 | unix_infidel | how do i make sarge use 2.6? |
| 06:58.42 | kevix | tehhh: put in on hold. |
| 06:58.50 | tehhh | unix_infidel, when booting debian from cd? |
| 06:58.53 | tehhh | kevix, where? |
| 06:58.55 | jm_ | unix_infidel: install it, it's that simple |
| 06:58.57 | valdyn | tehhh: what exactly is being upgraded to what exactly? |
| 06:59.01 | unix_infidel | jm_: using the netinstall |
| 06:59.09 | unix_infidel | its automatically choosing the 2.4 kernel. |
| 06:59.15 | bkankur | Dwonis: but in where i need to execute the depmod command.. on the PC host or at the target ? |
| 06:59.20 | kevix | tehhh: I use aptitude, find the entry and type '=' to put it on hold. |
| 06:59.22 | tehhh | valdyn, linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 to linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 but with some minor changes |
| 06:59.37 | tehhh | unix_infidel, type linux26 when booting |
| 06:59.39 | jm_ | unix_infidel: and the docs and help screens tell you you can use install with 2.6 kernel |
| 06:59.42 | Dwonis | bkankur: target |
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| 06:59.50 | tehhh | it'll fire 2.6.8 |
| 06:59.56 | unix_infidel | jm_: not they dont. |
| 06:59.58 | valdyn | tehhh: that's a bugfix release, its also binary compatible, no good reason not to do that upgrade.. |
| 07:00.07 | swappp | another problem. in kdm, get a popup window with msg: "device /dev/dsp can't be opened (no such device)". i have chosen the alsa option for the kernel. why doesn this msg appear? |
| 07:00.10 | unix_infidel | they automatically defaulted to 2.4 |
| 07:00.21 | tehhh | valdyn, yeah but that's a production machine and i don't want so frequent reboots :( |
| 07:00.22 | bkankur | Dwonis thank you |
| 07:00.26 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: Right at the boot prompt |
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| 07:00.37 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: I think you have to type "linux26" or something |
| 07:00.40 | unix_infidel | Dwonis: yea :) |
| 07:00.41 | unix_infidel | got that. |
| 07:00.43 | valdyn | tehhh: you dont need to reboot |
| 07:00.54 | kevix | swappp: did you configure with 'alsaconfig' ? |
| 07:01.01 | tehhh | valdyn, why? ;-) |
| 07:01.11 | valdyn | tehhh: because those kernels are binary compatible |
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| 07:01.17 | tehhh | okay ;-) |
| 07:01.17 | swappp | kevix, no, haven't. should I? |
| 07:01.30 | valdyn | tehhh: only if you want to profit from the bugfix with certainty you need to reboot |
| 07:01.41 | jm_ | unix_infidel: yeah if you're a lazy fucker and don't read, then they don't - I agree completely |
| 07:01.42 | tehhh | valdyn, so i need reboot when there's a change 2.6.something to 2.6.other ? |
| 07:01.45 | swappp | i did it in the kernel config, choose the alsa option. |
| 07:02.29 | valdyn | tehhh: 2.6.15-1-686 is always the same kernel source, only if one value in there changes its more than that |
| 07:02.42 | tehhh | yes, i agree ;-) |
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| 07:02.57 | kevix | swappp: if you havn't configured alsa, it wont have /dev/dsp |
| 07:03.13 | unix_infidel | jm_: its 1am and im installing debian....relatively, no i'm not lazy :P |
| 07:03.13 | tehhh | grave bugs of bind9 (1:9.3.1-2.0.1 -> 1:9.3.2-2) <open> |
| 07:03.13 | tehhh | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.13 | tehhh | uuh, nasty;) |
| 07:03.13 | valdyn | tehhh: it can be only a install / remove script fix or a security fix that does not affect binary compatibility |
| 07:03.13 | yggdrasil_ | my / drive is full how can i clean it ? i think its apt packages |
| 07:03.28 | swappp | kevix, ok, that's the reason. |
| 07:03.37 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: Then I guess jm_ doesn't agree with you :) |
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| 07:03.52 | kevix | check out this: http://www.einval.com/~steve/DebianT/grolsch-debian-open.gif |
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| 07:03.57 | jm_ | unix_infidel: it's OK, but don't say it doesn't list this, because we know it does ;) |
| 07:04.27 | kevix | yggdrasil_: I prefer: aptitude autoclean |
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| 07:04.34 | tehhh | valdyn, i guess i should wait with that bind update too? |
| 07:04.35 | unix_infidel | jm_: heh sorry if i think an installer should default to the newest kernel and atleast give me the option of choosing between the two in the installer. |
| 07:04.39 | Dwonis | jm_: perhaps somebody's doing a MITM attack, and this isn't the _real_ netinstall disc that unix_infidel is using ;) |
| 07:04.39 | tehhh | that's from apt-listbugs |
| 07:04.40 | unix_infidel | seamless installation :) |
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| 07:04.45 | swappp | kevix, alsaconfig is not a command. is it a package? |
| 07:04.49 | unix_infidel | MITM? |
| 07:04.51 | raf256[laptop] | why I dont have a default route? |
| 07:04.51 | valdyn | tehhh: no idea, read the bugreport |
| 07:04.54 | FlopsyPete | I'm using Testing, upgrading rhythmbox 0.8 to 0.9, it wants to remove dbus-1, dbus0glib-1, libhal-storage0, libhal0, libnautilus-burn0, libnautilus-burn1 and install dbus. is this going to be painless? |
| 07:04.55 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: man in the middle |
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| 07:05.04 | unix_infidel | mleh :P |
| 07:05.09 | jm_ | unix_infidel: well back then 2.4 was considered far more stable and tested, that's why it defaults to 2.4 |
| 07:05.12 | tehhh | FlopsyPete, probably;) |
| 07:05.25 | kevix | swappp: what are you running? sarge, testing, unstable? |
| 07:05.28 | raf256[laptop] | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.31 | swappp | testing |
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| 07:05.40 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: there's a new libnautilus-burn package iirc, maybe that is libnautilus-burn2 |
| 07:05.47 | kevix | unix_infidel: man in the middle attack. |
| 07:05.48 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: same for the dbus stuff |
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| 07:06.03 | bkankur | Dwonis: its giving same error. "modprobe: Fatal: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.8/modules.dep: No such file or directory" but the modules.dep file is there .. still it dont find that |
| 07:06.09 | FlopsyPete | tehh:valdyn: ok, thanks |
| 07:06.11 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: all package using these have to do a transition also |
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| 07:06.16 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: Do you have a "gateway" line in your interfaces file? |
| 07:06.20 | tehhh | raf256, so it's not normal, missing netmask? gateway entry? |
| 07:06.22 | raf256[laptop] | Dwonis: yes |
| 07:06.23 | swappp | kevix, testing |
| 07:06.33 | raf256[laptop] | tehhh: both are |
| 07:06.35 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: Does it actually say "inet static" |
| 07:06.38 | mrwoody | I know that it is offtopic, but does anyone know why when I try to add text to a picture with convert I don't get anything? |
| 07:06.47 | raf256[laptop] | Dwonis: yes |
| 07:07.00 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: You could post your interfaces file to a paster |
| 07:07.04 | raf256[laptop] | ok |
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| 07:07.37 | valdyn | swappp: the command is called 'alsaconf' |
| 07:07.38 | tehhh | pastebin.com |
| 07:07.41 | Dwonis | bkankur: Is the module-init-tools package installed on the target? |
| 07:07.45 | kevix | swappp: checking.... |
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| 07:07.58 | jm_ | mrwoody: well not without knowing your command, convert ... -font helvetica -pointsize 16 -fill yellow -draw 'text 50,50 \"blabla\"' |
| 07:08.01 | kevix | valdyn: ok. thanks. mis-spelled. |
| 07:08.07 | dorileo | running dpkg-buildpackage grub-0.97 |
| 07:08.16 | dorileo | I got dpkg-buildpackage: command not found |
| 07:08.22 | valdyn | !installit |
| 07:08.22 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 07:08.26 | jm_ | :) |
| 07:08.42 | swappp | kevix, sure? "alsaconf: command not found" |
| 07:08.47 | valdyn | dorileo: but even if you have to running that command literally wont work |
| 07:08.58 | valdyn | s/to/it/ |
| 07:09.01 | _nicolas | I can't get lm-sensors 2.9.1 to work with 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic, I did a modprobe w83627hf, lsmod show it, with i2c_sensor, i2c_core... |
| 07:09.07 | kevix | swappp: alsaconf is in 'alsa-utils': so, apt-get install alsa-utils |
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| 07:10.00 | madona | \join #postgresql |
| 07:10.04 | madona | ups |
| 07:10.06 | FlopsyPete | great, the 'gnome' package is back in Testing! |
| 07:10.08 | Dwonis | I wonder. Does Red Hat still come with the option to "Install Everything"? |
| 07:10.21 | swappp | Dwonis, kevix, got to go to fix my problems. thks for all the help. |
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| 07:10.34 | _nicolas | Dwonis, in FC3 yes, but for 4-5, I don't know... |
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| 07:10.54 | _nicolas | FC3 "Install everything" weight almost 8 GB heh |
| 07:11.09 | JdGordon | can ay1 help me with my isb problem? |
| 07:11.10 | raf256[laptop] | Dwonis: http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=13075 |
| 07:11.34 | deadcat | _nicolas: i'd rather use those 8GB for porn (= |
| 07:11.35 | Dwonis | _nicolas: Thanks. I'm just curious because this hasn't been possible in Debian since... forever? The NEWS FLASH reminded me of that... |
| 07:11.36 | kevix | JdGordon: as soon as you tell us more details... |
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| 07:11.59 | _nicolas | deadcat, haha ;) |
| 07:12.27 | kevix | Dwonis: you want to install 16000 packages! |
| 07:12.31 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: looks sane. What do "ip route" and "ip link" show? |
| 07:12.37 | JdGordon | kevix: umm... usb doesnt work.. if i plug a device in the light comes on and nothing happens... usb has been loaded... |
| 07:12.45 | raf256[laptop] | ip route? |
| 07:12.55 | raf256[laptop] | whats ip route? |
| 07:12.56 | Dwonis | kevix: precisely. It would be _so_ cool! Especially getting devfsd and udev to work together! |
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| 07:13.04 | raf256[laptop] | "route" shows empty table (0 records |
| 07:13.05 | raf256[laptop] | ) |
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| 07:13.12 | kevix | JdGordon: check /var/log/message. tail -f /var/log/messages then plug in the device. |
| 07:13.42 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: "ip" is a much more useful command for managing your network config. It comes in the "iproute" package |
| 07:13.42 | kevix | Dwonis: knoppix was working on a live DVD. that would be close enough! |
| 07:14.10 | JdGordon | kevix: the file doesnt change |
| 07:14.25 | deadcat | whats the manpage for the clock format? date/time format? strtime? |
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| 07:14.36 | jm_ | raf256: are you sur eyou want to use such a netmask? |
| 07:14.36 | raf256[laptop] | deadcat: date |
| 07:14.39 | kevix | JdGordon: try taking it out and putting it back in once more? |
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| 07:14.40 | EdLin | Dwonis: devfs and udev are both spawn of the devil |
| 07:14.42 | deadcat | raf256[laptop]: no. not that. |
| 07:14.46 | unix_infidel | how do i get rid of this message on debian and buntu that talks about this software is free and without warranty after i login? |
| 07:14.52 | _nicolas | deadcat, man 1 cat |
| 07:15.03 | EdLin | unix_infidel: /etc/motd |
| 07:15.10 | Dwonis | kevix: But if I do that, I can't come into #debian and complain that "I installed *all* the packages, and something doesn't work, what can I do? I'm going to have to switch to gentoo if you guys don't help me for free right now!" |
| 07:15.14 | jm_ | unix_infidel: man login |
| 07:15.24 | Dwonis | EdLin: devfs, yes, but udev? What do you prefer? |
| 07:15.24 | JdGordon | kevix: still nothing.. the light on the usb nic comes on for a sec then turns off... |
| 07:15.40 | EdLin | Dwonis: a pox on both of them |
| 07:15.54 | kevix | JdGordon: its a usb network dongle.... wifi? |
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| 07:15.57 | raf256[laptop] | http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=13076 |
| 07:16.08 | raf256[laptop] | jm_: yes, why not? I use it on other boxes |
| 07:16.13 | cadu | <offtopic> anyone here good with dvdauthor? willing to help...just 1 minute. :P |
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| 07:16.18 | raf256[laptop] | Dwonis: ^ |
| 07:16.18 | JdGordon | kevix: ye, but ive tryed an unpowered hub, usb-hdd, wired nic.. all the same |
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| 07:16.40 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: what about "ip addr" ? |
| 07:16.43 | mrwoody | jm_: this is the command -> convert -font helvetica -fill yellow -pointsize 25 -comment 'text 20,20 "hello"' ciao.png output.png |
| 07:16.56 | mrwoody | jm_: I don't get anything at all |
| 07:17.09 | mrwoody | jm_: no error... nothing |
| 07:17.18 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: Odd. You have a route there that doesn't correspond to your netmask |
| 07:17.23 | raf256[laptop] | http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=13077 |
| 07:17.32 | raf256[laptop] | Dwonis: ^ |
| 07:18.06 | raf256[laptop] | route 1.98 2001-04-15 debianstable |
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| 07:18.40 | raf256[laptop] | so... any idea? |
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| 07:19.13 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: That netmask you have (255.255.255.128) , are you sure that's what you want? |
| 07:19.22 | raf256[laptop] | Dwonis: why not? |
| 07:19.22 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: oh wait |
| 07:19.47 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: your netmask should *be* 255.255.255.128, not 192.168.44.128 |
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| 07:20.06 | jm_ | that's why I asked him if he wants such a mask |
| 07:20.07 | raf256[laptop] | !smite me |
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| 07:20.20 | jm_ | mrwoody: try \"hello\" |
| 07:20.28 | kevix | JdGordon: what does 'lsusb' show? |
| 07:20.29 | raf256[laptop] | it works \o/ |
| 07:20.29 | dondelelcaro | either is better than what is there currently |
| 07:20.29 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: netmasks have to be all ones, possibly followed by all zeros |
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| 07:20.50 | mrwoody | jm_: same result |
| 07:20.53 | JdGordon | kevix: bus 001 device 001: id 0000:0000 |
| 07:21.14 | JdGordon | same if something is plugged in |
| 07:21.22 | bkankur | Dwonis: sorry modules-init-tool is not install on the target. but when i tried to download from "http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/module-init-tools" it shows an error with the site |
| 07:21.23 | Dwonis | jm_: I noticed your question, it just never occurred to me that the netmask was outright wrong. I just saw the "128" and thought that it was odd, but plausible./ |
| 07:21.30 | kevix | JdGordon: do you have any usb kernel modules loaded? |
| 07:21.42 | JdGordon | usb-ohci and usbcore |
| 07:21.49 | jm_ | mrwoody: this command works fine for me, I use it every 30 minutes |
| 07:22.05 | Dwonis | bkankur: I assume you can't use apt-get ? |
| 07:22.09 | mrwoody | jm_: do you know where it gets the fonts from? |
| 07:22.27 | Dwonis | bkankur: try http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/module-init-tools/ |
| 07:22.31 | mrwoody | jm_: do you use it for png or what else? |
| 07:22.55 | Dwonis | bkankur: also: http://pdo.debian.net/stable/admin/module-init-tools |
| 07:23.08 | jm_ | mrwoody: /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.0.6/config/type-ghostscript.mgk |
| 07:23.39 | jm_ | mrwoody: well it doesn't matter what input format it is, I use it to set my background image with some special options |
| 07:23.43 | mrwoody | jm_: I have /usr/lib64/ImageMagick-6.2.5/config/type-ghostscript.xml |
| 07:23.45 | kevix | JdGordon: try this: locate usb|grep modules|grep "\.ko"|grep net |
| 07:23.48 | mrwoody | jm_: but I don't have your file |
| 07:23.58 | jm_ | mrwoody: "my file"? |
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| 07:24.33 | jm_ | mrwoody: do you have gsfonts installed? |
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| 07:24.45 | JdGordon | kevix: locar: /var../locatedb: no such file |
| 07:25.01 | mrwoody | jm_: nope... but that is not possible for me |
| 07:25.23 | kevix | JdGordon: ok. I will make a non-locate command.... |
| 07:25.24 | mrwoody | jm_: what is gsfonts? |
| 07:25.48 | mrwoody | jm_: I have this media-fonts/gnu-gs-fonts-std |
| 07:26.13 | jm_ | mrwoody: that's why it's failing - it's a package name, make sure yyou have the files mentioned in type-ghostscript.xml |
| 07:26.14 | raf256[laptop] | wtf |
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| 07:26.21 | raf256[laptop] | why there are grave security bugs |
| 07:26.21 | kevix | JdGordon: try this: find /lib/modules/|grep usb|grep net|grep "\.ko" |
| 07:26.31 | raf256[laptop] | in STABLE kernel, stable mysql server... I mean like.. wtf? |
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| 07:26.53 | Brainwalker | hih0 |
| 07:26.56 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: I know. Subscribe to debian-security-announce. You'll be totally depressed. |
| 07:27.04 | JdGordon | kevix: nuthing |
| 07:27.11 | mrwoody | jm_: no, that is not the problem... I have this file : /usr/share/fonts/default/ghostscript/n019003l.afm |
| 07:27.23 | raf256[laptop] | Dwonis: wtf! why they dont downgrade to previous version then until bug is fixed O_o ??? |
| 07:27.32 | kevix | JdGordon: what kernel do you have? 'uname -r'? |
| 07:27.36 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: It seems to be a chronic problem with all computer software. What makes you think a previous version isn't vulnerable? |
| 07:27.49 | jm_ | mrwoody: in that case my command works just fine on Sarge |
| 07:27.51 | JdGordon | kevix: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 07:27.58 | raf256[laptop] | Dwonis: version without a feauture that is b0rked |
| 07:28.10 | mrwoody | jm_: well I am not sure why here I don't get anything at all |
| 07:28.21 | mrwoody | jm_: and it is bad that it doesn't give me any error |
| 07:28.23 | kevix | JdGordon: ohhhh. I dont use that. It may require a 2.6 kernel..... |
| 07:28.42 | jm_ | mrwoody: use exactly the same command I gave you (it wasn't giving me any errors either until I figured I was using wrong fontname) |
| 07:28.52 | JdGordon | :( anything else i can try? |
| 07:29.22 | mrwoody | jm_: can you tell me again what the command is |
| 07:29.58 | raf256[laptop] | where do I configure name (hostname) of this box? |
| 07:30.27 | Dwonis | raf256[laptop]: /etc/hostname, and /etc/hosts, I think |
| 07:30.34 | mrwoody | jm_: you are right...if I give a fake font name, it wouldn't give any error |
| 07:30.37 | jm_ | mrwoody: convert -font helvetica -pointsize 11 -fill yellow -draw 'text 50,50 "blabla"' infile outfile |
| 07:30.49 | kevix | JdGordon: also some cards need the non-free ndiswrapper. look at this: http://czarism.com/easy-peasy-wireless-w-ubuntu-debian-linux |
| 07:31.15 | JdGordon | kevix: im more worried that usb isnt working full stop.. ? |
| 07:31.17 | mrwoody | jm_: no it doesn't work... now I have to understand where it looks for fonts |
| 07:31.21 | jm_ | I just realized I need \" because that's run from a perl script |
| 07:31.24 | jm_ | mrwoody: strace will reveal it |
| 07:31.35 | kevix | JdGordon: do you have a usb memory key or mouse to test? |
| 07:31.57 | mrwoody | jm_: where is \" ? |
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| 07:32.18 | jm_ | mrwoody: I gave you a command with \" earlier, but don't worry about it, use the above command to test it |
| 07:32.24 | JdGordon | been trying with a mem key.. doesnt connect... no x so usb mouse isnt helpful.. and ive plugged my mp3 player in and it thought it was connected, but i ocouldnt mount it,,? |
| 07:32.49 | mrwoody | jm_: well the above command doesn't work |
| 07:32.50 | kevix | JdGordon: when did usb work last? |
| 07:32.55 | jm_ | mrwoody: it does work |
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| 07:33.08 | JdGordon | kevix: before reinstall... |
| 07:33.26 | kevix | JdGordon: before reinstalling what? |
| 07:33.43 | JdGordon | debian |
| 07:33.55 | kevix | JdGordon: what version? testing? |
| 07:33.55 | mrwoody | jm_: well not here! ;-) |
| 07:34.02 | JdGordon | from the netboot cd, with no extra packages yet |
| 07:34.19 | JdGordon | no, stable.. |
| 07:34.45 | kevix | JdGordon: do you have any live cd to test usb? |
| 07:34.56 | roo9 | any idea why my memcached server refuses to store more than ~1mb of data even though I start it with a large -m? |
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| 07:35.03 | JdGordon | no, coz it cant boot from anything but hdd... |
| 07:35.05 | yonkeltron | am i wrong in thinking that there is no webdav module for apache2 in the repos? |
| 07:35.08 | jm_ | mrwoody: strace it to see if it can find the font, and is your pic big enough to handle textpos 50,50? interesting to note that when running convert on RH, it complains fonts are not there, looks like Debian's version differs a bit and doesn't complain (although the version there is 5.8 as opposed to 6.0) |
| 07:35.24 | mrwoody | jm_: my pic is very big... I was thinking that was a problem |
| 07:35.37 | JdGordon | kevix: i installed it by putting the hdd in my desktop and moving he hdd back into the lappy when it first wants to reboot which worked last time |
| 07:35.43 | mrwoody | jm_: it is a gentoo box, not RH |
| 07:36.04 | kevix | JdGordon: its a laptop? ok. what model! |
| 07:36.06 | jm_ | mrwoody: well then better ask in #gentoo, it definitely works in Debian |
| 07:36.19 | JdGordon | toshiba portege 3110ct |
| 07:36.19 | mrwoody | jm_: I tried that as well! ;-) |
| 07:36.22 | JdGordon | 3010ct |
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| 07:36.44 | nekostar | \o/ |
| 07:36.48 | deadcat | JdGordon: oh i love that laptop (= |
| 07:36.54 | mrwoody | jm_: I don't see any clear error with strace |
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| 07:37.08 | jm_ | mrwoody: just strace -e open and see if it can open the fonts |
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| 07:37.12 | mrwoody | jm_: sorry I can see one stat("helvetica", 0x7ffffff20920) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 07:37.14 | nekostar | debian+irssi+screen+mplayer+xine=looooooooooooove |
| 07:37.23 | idealbsd | firefox in sid is rather slow on somepages, like lifehack, while firefox downloaded from mozilla just works fine with same profiles, any suggestions? |
| 07:37.48 | nekostar | compile your own :P |
| 07:37.52 | kevix | JdGordon: google. found this: http://www.edginet.org/techie/linux/laptop.html |
| 07:38.27 | idealbsd | nekostar, :) |
| 07:38.56 | Dwonis | mrwoody: Just "helvetica"? That looks wrong. |
| 07:39.36 | mrwoody | Dwonis: what do you mean? |
| 07:39.43 | mrwoody | Dwonis: I can past more |
| 07:39.58 | Dwonis | mrwoody: Well, that would indicate that it's trying to look for a file in the current directory called "helvetica", which probably isn't what you want. |
| 07:40.33 | mrwoody | Dwonis: that is true.. let me check again |
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| 07:41.07 | JdGordon | kevix: thanx for the help.. going for dinner |
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| 07:41.35 | kevix | JdGordon < /dev/food |
| 07:41.57 | deadcat | JdGordon: is this your laptop? http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/framebuffer.funs/bootsplash/img_0005.jpg |
| 07:42.00 | mrwoody | Dwonis: well that is what it says... shall I change somethign |
| 07:43.01 | Dwonis | mrwoody: hmm. oh nevermind, it does that on my system too, and it seems to work. I guess it looks for the font in the current directory first. |
| 07:43.08 | kevix | deadcat: I tried to get xorg 7.0 from experimenal working. have you tried it? |
| 07:43.10 | mrwoody | Dwonis: I see |
| 07:43.15 | mrwoody | Dwonis: so does it work there? |
| 07:43.28 | Dwonis | yup |
| 07:43.31 | deadcat | kevix: i am gonna wait til it gets to sid. since theres no xgl or compiz to play with anyway |
| 07:43.42 | Dwonis | convert -font helvetica -pointsize 11 -fill yellow -draw 'text 50,50 "blabla"' niagara.jpg foo.png |
| 07:43.47 | Dwonis | mrwoody: ^ that works |
| 07:43.50 | deadcat | kevix: just playing with icon themes and gtk2 themes the pass 2 days (= |
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| 07:44.31 | Dwonis | mrwoody: Version: ImageMagick 6.2.4 10/06/05 Q16 http://www.imagemagick.org |
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| 07:44.42 | mrwoody | Dwonis: ok... weird... I am the only unlucky one |
| 07:44.45 | Dwonis | mrwoody: package Version: 6:6.2.4.5-0.2 |
| 07:44.51 | jm_ | mrwoody: switch to Debian |
| 07:45.20 | mrwoody | jm_: sure! ;-) I just switched from Debian to gentoo |
| 07:45.25 | Dwonis | mrwoody: It also displays an error if you pick a random font: "convert: unable to read font `helveca'." |
| 07:45.32 | Dwonis | mrwoody: That'll teach ya! |
| 07:45.47 | jm_ | mrwoody: haha |
| 07:46.01 | mrwoody | Dwonis: :- |
| 07:46.02 | Dwonis | once you use Debian you can never go back. muhahahaha! |
| 07:46.02 | mrwoody | :-) |
| 07:46.10 | jm_ | ahh so they have improved that in newer version then, cool |
| 07:46.11 | mrwoody | not really... have you tried gentoo? |
| 07:46.20 | mrwoody | believe me, I have used debian for 10 years |
| 07:46.24 | mrwoody | and I loved it |
| 07:46.32 | streuner | !gentoosmite mrwoody |
| 07:46.33 | mrwoody | but gentoo is much better now |
| 07:46.50 | mrwoody | that is the usual bs that people try without even trying it by itself |
| 07:46.58 | Dwonis | mrwoody: Honestly, Debian does what I need with a minimal amount of work on my part. Why would I switch? |
| 07:47.15 | mrwoody | Dwonis: well I didn't say that you should switch |
| 07:47.28 | mrwoody | but anyway gentoo requires MUCH LESS maintainance |
| 07:47.39 | deadcat | mrwoody: obviously you have a pretty fast machine (= |
| 07:47.40 | kevix | Dwonis: besides there are ways to custom compile debian pacakges from source. |
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| 07:47.49 | Dwonis | kevix: precisely |
| 07:47.53 | fizz | hey |
| 07:47.54 | epsilon | streuner: LOL |
| 07:47.56 | mrwoody | deadcat: no... Athlon 1.2 GHz |
| 07:47.57 | fizz | guys |
| 07:48.02 | fizz | i need some help on debian |
| 07:48.03 | deadcat | mrwoody: thats pretty fast |
| 07:48.08 | kevix | Dwonis: there is even debian-from-scratch project! |
| 07:48.16 | mrwoody | kevix: sure... but that is not the same as what gentoo does |
| 07:48.22 | streuner | mrwoody: have you ever compiled a kernel on a WinChip 233 Mhz? |
| 07:48.23 | fizz | anybody is free? |
| 07:48.30 | mrwoody | deadcat: yes, compared to my commodore 64 |
| 07:48.32 | deadcat | fizz: try the usb |
| 07:48.33 | Dwonis | mrwoody: Pentium III (Coppermine), cpu MHz : 730.986 |
| 07:48.34 | kevix | mrwoody: correct. ours is easier x-) |
| 07:48.43 | deadcat | mrwoody: compare to my 800mhz |
| 07:48.48 | mrwoody | :-) |
| 07:48.55 | mrwoody | it looks like everyone woke up |
| 07:49.00 | mrwoody | anyway I really didn't want to start this |
| 07:49.01 | mrwoody | sorry |
| 07:49.03 | kevix | fizz: when you ask a question.... |
| 07:49.05 | Dwonis | mrwoody: I have a partial Debian *mirror* because I don't like to wait for packages to download. I want my stuff installed NOW |
| 07:49.07 | mrwoody | Debian was great |
| 07:49.26 | fizz | anybody is free to help? |
| 07:49.29 | kevix | Dwonis: you mirror incoming.debian.org ? |
| 07:49.30 | mrwoody | Dwonis: believe me ... all the dpkg --configure requires more time than emerge xyz |
| 07:49.35 | Dwonis | !ask |
| 07:49.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:49.36 | deadcat | fizz: use the freakin usb slot |
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| 07:49.55 | jm_ | mrwoody: actually it doesn't, you hardly ever need to use dpkg --configure |
| 07:50.03 | Dwonis | mrwoody: dpkg --configure? Who ever runs that? |
| 07:50.08 | mrwoody | Dwonis: anyway what command were you using with convert? |
| 07:50.11 | fizz | sorry guys...newbie |
| 07:50.27 | mrwoody | jm_: sure... but it is the default after you apt-get something |
| 07:50.32 | deadcat | fizz: me too. whats your point? |
| 07:50.35 | epsilon | we should take 1$ for every question asked here |
| 07:50.37 | Dwonis | convert -font helvetica -pointsize 11 -fill yellow -draw 'text 50,50 "blabla"' niagara.jpg foo.png |
| 07:50.39 | mrwoody | Dwonis: again, you don't ... but apt-get does that |
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| 07:50.52 | deadcat | mrwoody: we need prove that you've been using debian for 10 years (= |
| 07:51.02 | jm_ | mrwoody: no it's not |
| 07:51.04 | Dwonis | mrwoody: reply to the wrong person? |
| 07:51.08 | fizz | I have a problem with compiling madwifi, everytime I was trying to compile madwifi module, it said there is a file called Module.symvers missing |
| 07:51.16 | fizz | don't know how to fix this |
| 07:51.31 | mrwoody | <Dwonis> mrwoody: dpkg --configure? Who ever runs that? |
| 07:51.33 | deadcat | fizz: stable/testing/unstable? |
| 07:51.36 | fizz | I apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15 |
| 07:51.43 | epsilon | is this kinda "I use debian longer than you" contest? |
| 07:51.47 | deadcat | fizz: you have the headers? |
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| 07:51.56 | fizz | then, apt-get install linux-source |
| 07:51.57 | mrwoody | deadcat: 1996 ... I started with the first debian.... believe it or not |
| 07:52.06 | mrwoody | deadcat: I used slackware before that |
| 07:52.10 | deadcat | mrwoody: dont tell me. i dont use debian |
| 07:52.13 | Dwonis | mrwoody: dpkg is a little slow, but not anywhere near as slow as gcc (especially gcc-4.0) |
| 07:52.17 | fizz | I just apt-get headers |
| 07:52.28 | lyggdrasi | can somone help me witha complingi error im doing dpkg-buildpackag and im getting this .. icant figure it out it looks kinda simple. ./configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=\${prefix}/share/man \ |
| 07:52.28 | lyggdrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.29 | Dwonis | mrwoody: unless you have like 32 MiB of RAM |
| 07:52.43 | lyggdrasi | ./bin/sh: ./configure: No such file or directory |
| 07:52.51 | deadcat | fizz: did you get madwifi-source madwifi-tools ? |
| 07:53.04 | fizz | yeah, I got both via apt-get |
| 07:53.15 | JdGordon | deadcat: looks very similar.. cpet mine is thinner |
| 07:53.19 | fizz | it went ok before module madwifi |
| 07:53.33 | kevix | q |
| 07:53.46 | deadcat | JdGordon: no way. i thought that model was the thinnest. i know theres one a bit bigger than mine. faster |
| 07:53.52 | Dwonis | lyggdrasi: what are you trying to compile? |
| 07:54.01 | JdGordon | or maybe is the foto |
| 07:54.01 | deadcat | fizz: hold up |
| 07:54.39 | deadcat | fizz: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/madwifi.sh follow these steps. theres small changes. since this script is really old |
| 07:55.39 | fizz | yeah,i'll look up the file |
| 07:55.40 | deadcat | JdGordon: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/wireless/free.dsl.trial/poor.man.wifi03.jpg |
| 07:56.16 | lyggdrasi | can somone help me witha complingi error im doing dpkg-buildpackag and im getting this .. icant figure it out it looks kinda simple. http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/wireless/free.dsl.trial/po |
| 07:56.16 | lyggdrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.16 | lyggdrasi | -:- SignOff mcm_: #debian (Connection timed out) |
| 07:56.16 | lyggdrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:56.43 | deadcat | moron |
| 07:56.49 | lyggdrasi | yea sorry |
| 07:57.06 | lyggdrasi | i suck |
| 07:57.30 | Dwonis | !floodsmite lyggdrasi |
| 07:57.46 | jm_ | !tell lyggdrasi -about paste |
| 07:58.09 | lyggdrasi | ahh man we got an ark |
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| 07:59.41 | Dwonis | deadcat: That white thing on the right looks like it's *asking* to be broken off |
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| 07:59.53 | deadcat | Dwonis: no. you mean the usb? |
| 08:00.03 | deadcat | Dwonis: its bendable.. |
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| 08:00.45 | deadcat | Dwonis: its kinna like a really short/useless usb extention |
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| 08:01.24 | Dwonis | deadcat: ah. what if you kicked it *forwards* ? (yes, I'm grasping at straws) |
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| 08:02.16 | deadcat | Dwonis: clearer look at that thing http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/ibook.800/debian.gdm.ibook.jpg |
| 08:03.04 | deadcat | i really should figure out how to disable windows users from visiting my gallery |
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| 08:03.20 | hyperstream | where can i get the 32bit compatability libarys ? |
| 08:03.22 | Dwonis | deadcat: You could do it with mod_python/mod_perl/mod_something |
| 08:03.30 | jm_ | deadcat: it's pretty simple with modrewrite |
| 08:03.40 | streuner | deadcat: to avoid them to see nice things? ;-) |
| 08:03.47 | idealbsd | when the guys will nerver to build such ubuntu's packages to debian pool , like "Pre-Depends: x11-common (>= 7.0.0-0ubuntu3)" in a debian/sid package? |
| 08:03.49 | deadcat | Dwonis: jm_ but i am using libapache-gallery-perl, dont nkow if they will work together |
| 08:03.50 | Dwonis | wait, why am I encouraging this? |
| 08:04.02 | jm_ | deadcat: modrewrite will |
| 08:04.16 | deadcat | streuner: i guess (= no point of seeing my screenshots if they on windows. aint do them no good (= |
| 08:04.31 | deadcat | jm_: cool. |
| 08:04.32 | Dwonis | deadcat: you could also nmap -O everyone who visits your site ;) |
| 08:04.48 | deadcat | 24.85.149.194 |
| 08:04.50 | kevix | idealbsd: debian X and ubuntu are co-operating, that is why. |
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| 08:04.59 | deadcat | its showing on my root-tail |
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| 08:05.43 | sciboy | Yay stupid segfaults. =/ |
| 08:06.01 | deadcat | jm_: what package is modrewrite? i have apache 1.3 running |
| 08:06.17 | Dwonis | deadcat: Doesn't it come with apache? |
| 08:06.21 | deadcat | oh |
| 08:06.35 | deadcat | Dwonis: so i am doing a agent matching then? |
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| 08:06.49 | Dwonis | deadcat: probably |
| 08:06.52 | deadcat | Dwonis: redirect them to microsoft.com/screenshots (= |
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| 08:07.21 | arrielll | hi i was wondering what site i could use to download debiann to the hard disk usiing knoppix |
| 08:07.58 | Dwonis | arrielll: Don't use knoppix to install Debian |
| 08:07.58 | NotFromWoosta | debian.org? |
| 08:08.00 | deadcat | jm_: i am gonna need some help on the rewrite agent stuff |
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| 08:08.18 | epsilon | dedian.org -> getting debian -> netinstall |
| 08:08.46 | deadcat | damn forget it. my friends visit the gallery sometimes too. )= |
| 08:09.03 | deadcat | can i just block windows users from this channel? (= |
| 08:09.12 | hyperstream | how do i go about getting 32-bit compatibility libraries for debian ? |
| 08:09.12 | arrielll | dwonis why not? |
| 08:09.13 | Dwonis | heh! |
| 08:09.17 | deadcat | thats be sweet as hell |
| 08:09.42 | arrielll | i have a amd64 arch |
| 08:09.44 | Dwonis | arrielll: Well, I suppose technically you can use debootstrap, but for the most part, Knoppix adds some weird stuff when it installs itself to the hard drive. |
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| 08:10.05 | NotFromWoosta | Anyone want to reccomend a useful command-line real audio streaming player? I want something in apt, so mplayer is out .. |
| 08:10.10 | kevix | hyperstream: IIRC something like a chroot environment? |
| 08:10.15 | Dwonis | arrielll: You're much better off to download a proper Debian installer from http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
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| 08:10.40 | hyperstream | hmm |
| 08:10.59 | hyperstream | kevix, im not sure :x |
| 08:11.02 | arrielll | yeah i have tried numerous times |
| 08:11.02 | hyperstream | cedega requires it |
| 08:11.05 | kevix | hyperstream: you can use 32-bit (current version of offical sarge) debian. |
| 08:11.07 | Dwonis | arrielll: Also, if you come here asking for help after you've installed Debian using knoppix you probably won't get much help. |
| 08:11.09 | arrielll | but debian doesn't recognize my hd |
| 08:11.22 | Dwonis | arrielll: What kind of hard drive is it? |
| 08:11.31 | deadcat | Dwonis: technically i could block windows users from this channel. i just write a simple mysite.php?"url without my gallery subdomain" |
| 08:11.35 | hyperstream | im using unstable 2.6.15.4 |
| 08:11.47 | arrielll | scsi i think |
| 08:11.52 | arrielll | 250gb hd |
| 08:11.54 | Dwonis | deadcat: But that would screw the people who are trying to switch to Debian |
| 08:11.59 | arrielll | hp pavillioon a1314n |
| 08:12.04 | deadcat | Dwonis: well they aint there yet (= |
| 08:12.12 | kevix | hyperstream: unless you use the special 64-bit version of debian, its all 32-bit. |
| 08:12.12 | idealbsd | kevix, thanks a lot, i just afraid debian will be much influenced in this way by those guys, maybe they are paid by ubuntu :) |
| 08:12.14 | deadcat | Dwonis: i can even block ubuntu users too |
| 08:12.15 | arrielll | i almost had it working |
| 08:12.25 | EdLin | !tell arrielll -about 2.14 stable |
| 08:12.37 | arrielll | debian had recognized my hd and then i waanted to try something else |
| 08:12.39 | EdLin | !tell arrielll -about 2.6.14 stable |
| 08:12.43 | EdLin | phoey |
| 08:12.52 | arrielll | and when i tried to install it again it didn't read my hd |
| 08:12.58 | EdLin | !tell arrielll about 2.6.14 netinst |
| 08:13.03 | EdLin | argh |
| 08:13.03 | jm_ | deadcat: wait |
| 08:13.18 | kevix | idealbsd: even thought there are debian devs in ubuntu, there is no issue about them manipulating debian or vise vera. |
| 08:13.18 | Dwonis | arrielll: On the boot prompt, did you try using "linux26"? |
| 08:13.22 | deadcat | jm_: forget the rewrite. because it will block my friends too. |
| 08:13.30 | arrielll | yeah if debian doesn't recognize the hd i can't partitioon it therefore can't install it |
| 08:13.38 | hyperstream | special 64 bit ? |
| 08:13.41 | jm_ | deadcat: heh |
| 08:13.46 | arrielll | yeah |
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| 08:13.53 | hyperstream | hmm im wondering am i better off ditching this 64bit stuff and using a i386 ? |
| 08:13.54 | arrielll | i can try agaaiiin |
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| 08:14.10 | Dwonis | arrielll :) |
| 08:14.16 | deadcat | jm_: you seen my new gtk theme yet? i've been showing it all day hehe |
| 08:14.17 | hyperstream | is there any benifits to having amd64 arch ? |
| 08:14.18 | arrielll | how would i do a debootstrapp dwonis |
| 08:14.35 | yggdrasil_ | can somone help me out with that i know that ive gotta point that somwhere else .../configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=\${prefix}/share/man \ | --build=i686-linux-gnu CFLAGS="-g" |/bin/sh: ./configure: No such file or directory./configure~ |
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| 08:14.53 | idealbsd | kevix, ok, thanks for explanation |
| 08:14.56 | Dwonis | arrielll: well, you can partition your hard drive in Knoppix, mount it, and then use debootstrap to install Debian to it, but there are a bunch of things you have to fix once you do that. |
| 08:15.06 | kevix | hyperstream: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 08:15.08 | jm_ | deadcat: naah, I can't access your page at work, I use Smooth-Tangerine-Dream theme |
| 08:15.08 | Dwonis | arrielll: /etc/hostname is one of them, and there are a few others |
| 08:15.09 | deadcat | yggdrasil_: why are you |'ing them? |
| 08:15.18 | Dwonis | arrielll: It's not really recommended unless you know what you're doing. |
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| 08:15.30 | yggdrasil_ | um just to get them all on one line those are returns |
| 08:15.38 | Dwonis | arrielll: Even then, you have to be able to get Debian to *boot* and recognize your hard drive |
| 08:15.50 | yggdrasil_ | thats the output from twhant i do dpkg-makepackage |
| 08:15.55 | kevix | idealbsd: you can search the debian-devel mailing list in the last 3 months for NUMEROUS thread about this. |
| 08:15.57 | deadcat | jm_: ah. i use Tango icon themes. and the clearlooks gtk2 theme with split gradient.. i have it built into a .deb because the maintainer is too lazy or something |
| 08:15.59 | hyperstream | kevix, yeah would i be better off ditching amd 64bit linux ? and go with a i386? |
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| 08:16.36 | idealbsd | kevix, thanks :) |
| 08:16.42 | kevix | hyperstream: amd64 should be 100% by etch. but i386 or other kernel are good to go now. |
| 08:16.57 | Dwonis | arrielll: I also doubt that an HP pavilion has a SCSI hard drive :) |
| 08:17.02 | hyperstream | i see |
| 08:17.11 | arrielll | scsi or sata or something |
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| 08:17.21 | arrielll | it doesn't reecognize it that is all i knnnnow |
| 08:17.44 | yggdrasil_ | !flood |
| 08:17.45 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 08:17.45 | kevix | hyperstream: when working with CEDEGA, I would want no problems. or ask someone who uses it. |
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| 08:18.08 | Dwonis | arrielll: sata is possible |
| 08:18.19 | hyperstream | sounds good |
| 08:18.24 | hyperstream | thanks kevix much appriceated |
| 08:18.28 | Dwonis | Does anybody know if the sarge installer has trouble with sata drives? |
| 08:18.34 | kevix | hyperstream: happy gaming! |
| 08:18.43 | hyperstream | hopefully |
| 08:18.45 | Dwonis | arrielll: You tried linux26, right? |
| 08:18.45 | jm_ | Dwonis: it has troubles if it doesn't recognize the hardware, pretty obvious |
| 08:18.47 | hyperstream | pthreads not working >< |
| 08:19.03 | Dwonis | jm_: I mean in general, and specifically, what do to about it. |
| 08:19.23 | jm_ | Dwonis: use a newer kernel |
| 08:19.23 | arrielll | i will try it again but i am not coming back |
| 08:19.30 | jm_ | Dwonis: no, it works fine in general |
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| 08:19.37 | yos87 | hi |
| 08:21.08 | sciboy | Yay! the latest LibSDL* is boned for me. |
| 08:21.18 | Dwonis | jm_: Ah, I see, " There is no such thing as a distribution or its installer (generically) "having SATA support" (or not)." http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 08:21.25 | dondelelcaro | s/File/$File/ |
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| 08:23.26 | yggdrasil_ | im tryingto dpkg-makepackage here is the line in the rules file that is erroring out CONFIGURE_FLAGS := --prefix=/usr |
| 08:23.44 | yggdrasil_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:24.24 | Dwonis | yggdrasil_: what are you trying to build? |
| 08:24.31 | yggdrasil_ | xine |
| 08:24.42 | threat3 | in bash, when using command1 || error_command Will error_command run if the return value is above 1? or only if it is 1 ? |
| 08:24.44 | Dwonis | yggdrasil_, where did you get the xine sources? |
| 08:24.55 | yggdrasil_ | and im sorry about the pasting this old laptop only has text webbrowser they are cvs Dwonis |
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| 08:25.34 | Dwonis | yggdrasil_: You could try installing build-essentials. Beyond that, I wouldn't know. Bug the xine developers. |
| 08:25.51 | yggdrasil_ | well its somethingabout man page location |
| 08:25.55 | Dwonis | yggdrasil_: or rather, #xine |
| 08:26.00 | yggdrasil_ | ahh |
| 08:26.02 | yggdrasil_ | ill try that |
| 08:26.04 | yggdrasil_ | thanks |
| 08:26.09 | Miesco | How would I clear the "open recent" in kaffeine?? |
| 08:26.18 | yos87 | in the link http://www.codecoffee.com/tipsforlinux/articles/27.html what do they mean $./configure |
| 08:26.18 | jm_ | threat3: man bash will explain it |
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| 08:26.41 | Miesco | Where is the cache for mozilla and stuff |
| 08:26.55 | JdGordon | kevix: i put the hdd in another toshiba laptop and it booted and usb works.. so i should assume the usb is dead on the lappy i want to use? |
| 08:26.56 | yos87 | the previous one is working, but $./configure not work with me |
| 08:27.09 | Dwonis | yos87: Despite what lots of documentation says, you probably don't want to "make install" |
| 08:27.17 | Dwonis | yos87: What program are you trying to build? |
| 08:27.39 | yos87 | xnview |
| 08:27.52 | streuner | !find xnview |
| 08:28.03 | yos87 | but where to specify the link, before ./configyre or after |
| 08:28.13 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xnview' (1): (/usr/share/scribus/doc/en/images/xnview.png) in non-free/doc/scribus-doc. |
| 08:28.15 | kevix | JdGordon: possibly, did you do anything to it? |
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| 08:28.58 | JdGordon | no |
| 08:29.12 | yos87 | dwonis: I extract xnview to home folder, but to configure the install file |
| 08:29.15 | kevix | JdGordon: maybe you just need to load the correct modules? |
| 08:29.22 | JdGordon | the little ribbon cable thing had to be disconnected evey time i took the hdd out tho.. so mybe thats dead.. |
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| 08:30.07 | kevix | JdGordon: does this have a docking station with a usb connector? |
| 08:30.20 | JdGordon | no |
| 08:30.23 | Dwonis | xnview is non-free |
| 08:30.39 | JdGordon | i might just have to buy a pcmcia usb card :'( |
| 08:31.08 | kevix | JdGordon: you might want to try upgradeing to 2.6 |
| 08:31.20 | yos87 | dwonis: it doesn't matter, I want to learn how to install the uncommpressed tgz file |
| 08:31.24 | Dwonis | yos87: Where did you get xnview? |
| 08:31.41 | JdGordon | how will it help? the hdd and install works fine in a almost identical toshiba lappy.. so ill just say its dad :'( |
| 08:31.42 | yos87 | dwonis: i download the tgz file, and I extract it |
| 08:31.54 | Dwonis | yos87: *where* did you get xnview? what URL? |
| 08:32.33 | Dwonis | The only "XnView" I found is non-free, and doesn't even have source code, so "./configure" isn't going to work |
| 08:32.58 | Gnea | !tell Dwonis about googleit |
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| 08:33.33 | Dwonis | Gnea: wtf? |
| 08:33.34 | kevix | yos87: there is no debian progarm to do the same as xnview? |
| 08:33.34 | yos87 | dwonis: http://download.xnview.com/XnView-x86-unknown-linux2.x-static-fc4.tgz |
| 08:33.41 | Gnea | lol |
| 08:33.41 | yos87 | dwonis: http://download.xnview.com/XnView-x86-unknown-linux2.x-static-fc4.tgz |
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| 08:33.59 | Dwonis | yos87: yeah, like I said. No source. No ./configure. |
| 08:34.08 | yos87 | kevix: I Cannot run exept debian package in debian |
| 08:34.10 | yos87 | ? |
| 08:34.26 | Dwonis | somebody else please take this |
| 08:34.37 | Gnea | it says it's an image viewer and converter |
| 08:34.54 | Gnea | Dwonis: take what? |
| 08:34.59 | yos87 | kevix: it's not possible to run exept debian package |
| 08:34.59 | kevix | Gnea: so, imagemagik is not good enough? |
| 08:35.12 | yos87 | dwonis: thank you |
| 08:35.12 | Miesco | I couldn't get to xnview to run on sarge |
| 08:35.25 | yos87 | miesco: http://download.xnview.com/XnView-x86-unknown-linux2.x-static-fc4.tgz |
| 08:35.29 | Gnea | Dwonis: don't msg me, please |
| 08:35.30 | sep | yos87, seams there are xnview packages on http://www.debian-unofficial.org/changelog.html |
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| 08:35.41 | Gnea | kevix: it's not? |
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| 08:36.02 | Gnea | yos87: why do you want to use xnview? |
| 08:36.26 | yos87 | gnea: I want to see |
| 08:36.26 | kevix | yos87: have you ever use imagemagik? |
| 08:36.34 | yos87 | gnea: it;s to play a movies |
| 08:36.37 | Gnea | yos87: but xnview is for retards |
| 08:36.41 | yos87 | kevix: no |
| 08:36.45 | kevix | yos87: there are many thinks in debian for this!!! |
| 08:36.59 | Gnea | thinks? heh |
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| 08:37.17 | kevix | yos87: what movie do you want to see? mpeg, mov, avi? |
| 08:37.27 | yos87 | kevix: vob |
| 08:37.33 | Gnea | yos87: mplayer and xine play movies just fine, and imagemagick can perform image conversions as well... even the gimp can do that |
| 08:37.57 | Gnea | yos87: plus xnview is closed-sourced, and we don't support that sort of thing here. |
| 08:38.06 | kevix | yos87: you need to read about what software are in debian and linux. |
| 08:38.18 | yos87 | kevix: where |
| 08:38.28 | Gnea | yos87: there are plenty of programs to deal with DVD files |
| 08:38.39 | kevix | yos87: apt-cache search image viewer |
| 08:39.04 | Gnea | apt-cache search vob |
| 08:39.08 | kevix | yos87: http://www.freshmet.net |
| 08:39.08 | yos87 | I mean generally , linux software doesn't work in debian? should be a debian package |
| 08:39.12 | kevix | yos87: http://www.freshmeat.net |
| 08:39.29 | Miesco | I purged and removed kaffeine, reinstalled, But still there is the "open recent" cache there!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:39.30 | kevix | yos87: that is not true. |
| 08:39.38 | Gnea | yos87: don't you know the difference between open-source and close-source? |
| 08:40.00 | Miesco | Where are caches |
| 08:40.05 | sep | yos87, linux sofware works in debian obviously. but it's easier to install something that is packaged then to mess with something that is not. and if something is not packaged it's often a good reason why. |
| 08:40.13 | yos87 | gnea: of cource, debian, slackware, turboliunx smoothwall ...., all including the open source |
| 08:40.35 | Gnea | yos87: do you use windows? |
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| 08:40.57 | yos87 | gnea: yes, |
| 08:41.05 | kevix | Gnea: if he's here, he wants to use linux. |
| 08:41.06 | Gnea | yos87: why? |
| 08:41.07 | yos87 | gnea: but not in my hand |
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| 08:41.27 | yos87 | gnea: not my choice, no arabic support, |
| 08:41.32 | FlopsyPete | Miesco: understand the difference between a progrm and a program's user profile. the user profile is stored in your home directory and is a seperate entity to the program |
| 08:41.39 | streuner | Does that look like a real dsc-file? http://ftp2.de.debian-unofficial.org/debian/pool/non-free/x/xnview-binary-i386/xnview-binary-i386_1.70+debian-2duo+sarge1.dsc |
| 08:41.43 | kevix | yos87: that is not true!!!!!! |
| 08:41.52 | Gnea | yos87: what doesn't support arabic? |
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| 08:42.03 | yos87 | gnea: and also the other this pc user does not understand sth other windows |
| 08:42.08 | yos87 | gnea: mozill and debian |
| 08:42.16 | Gnea | yos87: you are wrong. |
| 08:42.30 | yos87 | gnea: how come? |
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| 08:42.38 | Gnea | yos87: because you are. |
| 08:42.40 | oskie | sshd -d gives me "sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path" - why? |
| 08:42.57 | kevix | yos87: go to this website please, now: http://www.arabeyes.org |
| 08:43.02 | Gnea | yos87: debian supports arabic. and so does mozilla. |
| 08:43.02 | oskie | oh. /usr/sbin/sshd -d works |
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| 08:43.29 | Miesco | FlopsyPete: I cant find it in my home dir |
| 08:43.31 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:43.56 | yggdrasil_ | hahah i just made a called config and chmod 777 and that thing looks like its gonna compile now |
| 08:43.59 | kevix | !info katoob |
| 08:44.02 | dpkg | katoob: (A Gtk2 light weight multilingual BiDi aware text editor), section text, is optional. Version: 0.3.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 189 kB, Installed size: 480 kB |
| 08:44.08 | yos87 | wait alittle |
| 08:44.21 | FlopsyPete | Miesco: I don't know kaffeine, but the usual form of directory it would be in would be .kaffeine. by default directories beginning with a '.' are hidden |
| 08:44.31 | Miesco | I know, its not there |
| 08:44.40 | oskie | it takes like 20 seconds to log in with ssh... according to sshd -d, all time is spent in PAM. what could that be? |
| 08:45.05 | dannyp | trying various authentication modules and failing, I imagine |
| 08:45.30 | oskie | it's a default setup |
| 08:45.49 | Miesco | I FOUDN IT |
| 08:45.51 | Miesco | I FOUND IT!!!!!!!! |
| 08:46.07 | Miesco | /home/shawn/.kde/share/config/kaffeinerc, its in that file lol |
| 08:46.30 | Miesco | Aha! |
| 08:46.54 | Miesco | SUCKER FAMILY WONT KNOW WHAT VIDEO'S I WAS LOOKING AT, AHAHAHA |
| 08:47.04 | Miesco | Im just joking :/ |
| 08:47.12 | Gnea | WETAWDED |
| 08:47.32 | kevix | Miesco: I think all kde conf files are in ~/.kde/share/config/APPLICATION |
| 08:47.37 | tobo | what could be wrong when you get MUCH better performance with smbclient than with smbfs. I'm talking a couple of 100k/sec vs. 8-13m/sec. Ive asked in the #samba channel but the people there arent all that active |
| 08:47.38 | Miesco | Yea |
| 08:47.56 | Miesco | The recent files where IN the rc under [recent] |
| 08:48.53 | dondelelcaro | Miesco: please lay off the caps... |
| 08:48.55 | kevix | Miesco: you can get your parents on Debian! |
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| 08:49.55 | oskie | my /etc/fstab only contains "# UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM".. whoops! how to fix? |
| 08:49.58 | streuner | xnview seems to be closed source |
| 08:50.36 | kevix | streuner: why would you need more that mplayer and imagemagix ? |
| 08:50.44 | Miesco | kevix: hmm? |
| 08:51.00 | streuner | kevix: you asking the wrong person |
| 08:51.03 | Miesco | My parents dont use debian, they use windows XP |
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| 08:51.38 | streuner | kevix: gqview and/or gimp would be enough |
| 08:51.46 | kevix | Miesco: that was my point! they can learn debian and check out what videos you are watching x-) |
| 08:52.13 | kevix | streuner: he wanted to view .vob |
| 08:52.23 | streuner | kevix: heh |
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| 08:52.57 | streuner | kevix: are we speaking about the guy who want use xnview? |
| 08:53.09 | kevix | streuner: yup. |
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| 08:56.53 | Dwonis | If you don't IDENTIFY to NickServ, how long does it take before you get disconnected? |
| 08:56.58 | oskie | what pam module controls whether a reverse DNS lookup is made every time you log on? |
| 08:57.11 | beardy | Dwonis: Forever. |
| 08:57.19 | Miesco | kevix: They could, and also a meteor could fall on my house in 10 seconds |
| 08:57.23 | Gnea | Dwonis: when you type /quit |
| 08:57.57 | jm_ | oskie: what do you mean? |
| 08:58.12 | asg | oskie: via ssh? |
| 08:58.47 | jm_ | oskie: that sounds more like a feature of libwrap, not PAM |
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| 09:01.11 | streuner | dpkg, xnview is <reply> XnView is an utility for viewing and converting graphic files, its free but closed source. |
| 09:01.11 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 09:02.32 | kevix | dpkg, beer |
| 09:02.32 | dpkg | methinks beer is liquid gold mate |
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| 09:03.26 | Dwonis | why does debhelper change the channel limit all the time? |
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| 09:03.43 | kevix | Dwonis: to make room! |
| 09:03.57 | streuner | Dwonis: the 'tolerance' change that way too... |
| 09:04.00 | Dwonis | right, but why not just set the limit to a billion and be done with it? |
| 09:04.07 | jm_ | that would be pointless |
| 09:04.10 | Dwonis | tolerance? |
| 09:04.23 | streuner | Dwonis: well, flood-attacs |
| 09:04.26 | sep | dpkg xnview is also packages at http://debian-unofficial.org |
| 09:04.26 | dpkg | sep: okay |
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| 09:04.42 | streuner | Dwonis: via this way debhelper avoid flood-attacs |
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| 09:05.01 | kevix | sep: what does that command do? what's with the 'ok' |
| 09:05.22 | mo1991 | does anyone have a proper .deb file of the linux-wlan-ng source that will compile to allow support for devices using the pcmcia_cs driver? Please help |
| 09:05.25 | sep | kevix, it just added that ext to the xnview factoid |
| 09:05.31 | Dwonis | streuner: I suppose. So I guess debhelper won't raise the channel limit if 20 more people join right away. |
| 09:05.41 | streuner | yep |
| 09:05.55 | sep | kevix, forinstance if you know something dpkg dont, you can make a new factoid or add your info to an exsisting one |
| 09:06.03 | kevix | sep: ok. you are schooling 'dpkg' :-) |
| 09:06.10 | sep | dpkg woudnt know anything unless we tought it |
| 09:06.21 | sep | kevix, i guess you could say that |
| 09:06.32 | Dwonis | dpkg, Dwonis is better than cheese in a can! |
| 09:06.32 | dpkg | Dwonis: okay |
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| 09:06.39 | yos87 | gnea: but they don't tell you how to support it |
| 09:06.45 | Dwonis | eh? I didn't think it would allow me to do that |
| 09:06.51 | sep | !dwonis |
| 09:06.51 | dpkg | well, dwonis is better than cheese in a can! |
| 09:06.56 | Dwonis | aw crap |
| 09:06.57 | jm_ | !forget dwonis |
| 09:06.57 | dpkg | jm_: i forgot dwonis |
| 09:07.10 | Dwonis | I thought dpkg had an acl before? |
| 09:07.17 | ircdevil | where can i find a stable d-i netinst image running off a usb media? |
| 09:07.19 | threat3 | do tar's keep a CRC checksum of the data within it? |
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| 09:07.30 | beardy | threat3: No. |
| 09:07.34 | jm_ | ircdevil: on Debian mirrors |
| 09:08.07 | deadcat | whats gconf? how is it used with firefox? |
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| 09:08.11 | ircdevil | jm_ http://www.debian.org/mirror/list ? |
| 09:08.25 | jm_ | deadcat: apt-cache show gconf2 |
| 09:08.28 | tonix | hi guys, i need to use pg_passwd command on debian, but... it seems that the command is not available on my sarge box. What is the package containing pg_passwd command? thanks a lot |
| 09:08.29 | jm_ | ircdevil: yes |
| 09:08.59 | beardy | tonix: apt-file |
| 09:09.10 | kevix | dpkg debian-installer (or D-I) current status at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 09:09.19 | beardy | !find pg_passwd sarge |
| 09:09.37 | deadcat | jm_: i notice that linux is switching to none text config.. or at least freakin gnome stuff. |
| 09:09.42 | deadcat | son of a bitch! |
| 09:10.21 | jm_ | deadcat: well it stores it in XML files |
| 09:10.34 | deadcat | jm_: oh.. ~/.gnome2? |
| 09:10.41 | kevix | dpkg d-i-status is debian-installer (or D-I) current status at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 09:10.41 | dpkg | kevix: okay |
| 09:10.50 | kevix | !dpkg d-i-status |
| 09:10.50 | dpkg | from memory, d-i-status is debian-installer (or D-I) current status at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
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| 09:11.23 | tonix | beardy: thanks a lot |
| 09:11.25 | threat3 | beardy, do tar's have a size limit? |
| 09:11.26 | kevix | !dpkg books |
| 09:11.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, books is http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 09:11.38 | threat3 | beardy, is a 12Gb tar too big? |
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| 09:11.54 | beardy | threat3: The limit is the the limit of the filesystem you are using. |
| 09:11.58 | threat3 | beardy, ( I am backing up / archiving to a DDS-3 12GB TAPE) |
| 09:12.35 | jm_ | deadcat: no, should be .gconf*, but I don't see any firefox data in there, perhaps it's not used for FF preferences, but by some libs used by FF, not quite sure |
| 09:13.17 | kevix | !dpkg arabeyes |
| 09:13.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, arabeyes is a project aimes to bring the Arabic Language into various UNIX Systems, it can be found at http://www.arabeyes.org and #arabeyes |
| 09:13.26 | deadcat | jm_: ok |
| 09:13.37 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'pg_passwd' returned no results. |
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| 09:14.38 | yos87 | !dpkg books |
| 09:14.39 | dpkg | from memory, books is http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 09:16.13 | tonix | Does anyone know how to install pg_passwd command on debian??? thanks a lot |
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| 09:19.06 | jvw | tonix: there is no such program in Debian. What is it, and where does it come from? |
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| 09:20.35 | tarzeau | i've enabled dvd writing in cdrecord/cdrtools like described in README.Debian. |
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| 09:21.06 | dos000_ | howdy |
| 09:21.06 | tarzeau | but xcdroast can't use it? |
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| 09:21.33 | tonix | jvw: pg_passwd is a command line tool to set password for postgres users. |
| 09:21.47 | ircdevil | do there exists some debugging tool to test mouse function? |
| 09:21.48 | tonix | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/7.2/static/app-pg-passwd.html |
| 09:22.08 | tonix | and i need to install/use it on my debian sarge box... |
| 09:22.17 | Coweater | ircdevil: xev? |
| 09:22.31 | tonix | no useful info on google about pg_passwd on debian! |
| 09:23.02 | ircdevil | Coweater: yup. |
| 09:23.11 | dos000_ | anyone: i am trying to ugrade a machine to a software raid. however when i reboot the machine it always complains that /home filesys (/dev/md2) is corrupted but / (/dev/md0) is always fine at boot time |
| 09:23.19 | kevix | tonix: mdetect |
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| 09:24.06 | tonix | kevix: uhm? mdetect?? |
| 09:24.07 | ircdevil | my mouse wheel is not responding in xev - buttons and movement do - how to debug? |
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| 09:24.30 | jm_ | ircdevil: check your X configuration |
| 09:24.51 | tarzeau | !dvd |
| 09:24.51 | kevix | tonix: sorry. wrong user. |
| 09:24.51 | dpkg | well, dvd is use xine (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), vlc or ogle (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss, or ask me about libdvdcss |
| 09:25.06 | kevix | ircdevil: apt-cache show mdetect |
| 09:25.09 | tarzeau | i hate dvd! |
| 09:25.12 | ircdevil | jm_: is there some way to see the raw output from the mouse actions? |
| 09:25.14 | ootput | deadcat: cool |
| 09:25.16 | ircdevil | kevix: ok |
| 09:25.20 | tarzeau | who is the inventor of DVD? |
| 09:25.27 | jm_ | tonix: you can do that via psql |
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| 09:25.35 | ootput | tarzeau: Al Gore |
| 09:25.45 | deadcat | ootput: ya. pretty slick right now |
| 09:25.54 | jm_ | ircdevil: input event device files, or od -t x /dev/foo |
| 09:26.06 | tonix | jm_: no, because i need to use a text file for user/password association. |
| 09:26.13 | ootput | deadcat: how'd you come across it? |
| 09:26.18 | ootput | deadcat: did you package it? |
| 09:26.19 | deadcat | ootput: openbox (= |
| 09:26.22 | deadcat | ya |
| 09:26.25 | jm_ | tonix: I don't see how that changes anything |
| 09:26.25 | ootput | ah |
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| 09:26.25 | ootput | sweet |
| 09:27.19 | dos000_ | anyone has any idea why i can mount unmount a raid1 degraded array (/dev/md0) after creating it . but as soon as i try to reboot the kernel complains the partition need to be fsck |
| 09:27.24 | deadcat | ootput: i notice this screenshot's firefox has the split gradient scrollbar, but not the other app: http://metawire.org/~ootput/screenshots/preview/fullsize/060225_ion3-tv-cluttered.png |
| 09:27.40 | deadcat | ootput: is that because of the firefox theme? |
| 09:28.01 | Dwonis | dos000_: I hear you, but I don't know. |
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| 09:28.36 | ootput | deadcat: hang on |
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| 09:28.51 | ootput | deadcat: i'll take a look.. it might be two diff apps altogther (opera) |
| 09:28.58 | deadcat | k |
| 09:29.21 | jvw | tonix: hm, weird. You might want to ask on the postgresql packager's mailinglist then, simply debian-user@l.d.o. It seems a bit awkward to me that a documented binary by upstream is not available in Debian |
| 09:29.33 | ootput | deadcat: hehe, yeah, that's opera |
| 09:29.39 | jvw | tonix: but still, as jm_ points out, there are alternative ways to get the same work done |
| 09:29.40 | ootput | deadcat: can't remember the qt theme though |
| 09:29.41 | deadcat | oooo |
| 09:29.53 | deadcat | i dont care about qt qraps (= |
| 09:30.09 | dos000_ | Dwonis, the funny thing is another partition created with the same commands is always totally fine |
| 09:30.26 | ootput | deadcat: it's only the engine ;) it's not that big |
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| 09:30.32 | Dwonis | dos000_: You say the array is degraded? Is is possible that one of your disks is bad? |
| 09:30.41 | ootput | deadcat: of the two (kde & gnome,) I'd choose gnome |
| 09:30.43 | deadcat | ootput: i try not to have any qt apps on the system.. |
| 09:30.55 | deadcat | ootput: ya.. i prefer gtk stuff. much nicer |
| 09:31.19 | Dwonis | dos000_: Of course, that's not supposed to make a difference, :) |
| 09:31.26 | dos000_ | Dwonis, the 2 partitions i have / and /home mount the degraded raid /md0 and /md2 ... md0 always work ! |
| 09:31.29 | ootput | deadcat: besides making opera look nice, I only use qt for apps like LyX which are look gawdawful otherwise |
| 09:31.40 | jvw | tonix: ah, newer postgresql versions dropped that utility |
| 09:31.54 | jvw | tonix: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-admin/2005-02/msg00274.php |
| 09:32.04 | deadcat | ootput: if you gonna try the clearlooks i have, let me know if it works. my friend said it doesnt work on his stable. i use sid. |
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| 09:32.08 | ootput | development on a gtk port of LyX is going at a snail's pace |
| 09:32.17 | ootput | deadcat: i'm also using sid |
| 09:32.19 | jvw | tonix: the documentation you looked at was for postgres 7.2, and sarge has 7.4 |
| 09:32.22 | ootput | i'll give it a try now |
| 09:32.23 | deadcat | cool. |
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| 09:32.48 | dos000_ | is the order of the entries in fstab important ? |
| 09:33.04 | ootput | deadcat: what's the diff? I've seen rezza's (of archlinux) clearlook's patch that gets rid of the round corners |
| 09:33.23 | deadcat | ootput: same. i used his patch. very nice. |
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| 09:33.37 | ootput | deadcat: ah :) |
| 09:33.43 | deadcat | ootput: round dont look good. |
| 09:33.44 | ootput | knew it |
| 09:33.48 | deadcat | (= |
| 09:33.58 | ootput | deadcat: yeah, particularly on a wm such as ion |
| 09:34.00 | deadcat | they wouldnt build the .deb so i said fuck it! |
| 09:34.34 | deadcat | just like openbox. they patched the window border with split gradient but not in .deb so i MIGHT do it myself as well. |
| 09:34.59 | ootput | deadcat: yeah, that's looks sexy as hell |
| 09:35.06 | ootput | saw a few on boxwhore |
| 09:35.07 | deadcat | ootput: i have to hold the clearlooks theme after install because some reason it thinks my 2.7.3 is older than the 2.6.7 in sid. |
| 09:35.18 | deadcat | ootput: ya |
| 09:35.24 | deadcat | ootput: those whores (= |
| 09:36.40 | ootput | ah, i might do the same |
| 09:36.48 | ootput | if it's any good, i'll just get rid of 2.6.7 |
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| 09:37.25 | deadcat | i never had clearlooks since i was using default theme. so i just dpkg -i |
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| 09:39.43 | deadcat | ootput: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20060228_30046.png just off the oven. (= |
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| 09:41.06 | ircdevil | jm_: hm, i think i got an unusual mouse here. apparently the same mouse also have problem with mouse wheel under winblows -> http://www.agknordic.com/products_detail.php?idprod=45 |
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| 09:41.36 | ootput | deadcat: i can't seem to get it to hold |
| 09:41.40 | ootput | echo "<package> hold" | dpkg --set-selections ? |
| 09:41.44 | jm_ | ircdevil: I had issues when I used ExplorerPS/2 protocol, switching to ImPS/2 enabled wheel |
| 09:41.51 | ootput | aptitude is still ignoring my request |
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| 09:42.09 | deadcat | ootput: echo pkg hold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 09:42.14 | deadcat | seems right. |
| 09:42.23 | Dwonis | Amiga4ever: are you actually using one? |
| 09:42.31 | ootput | deadcat: ah shit, i specified the version |
| 09:42.36 | liable | if you use aptitude.. aptitude hold foo |
| 09:42.41 | deadcat | ootput: i dont have aptitude on my system and i feel great (= |
| 09:42.41 | deadcat | ah |
| 09:42.42 | ootput | or what liable said :D |
| 09:42.52 | Amiga4ever | ?? |
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| 09:43.21 | Amiga4ever | debian? |
| 09:43.24 | Dwonis | Amiga4ever: Your nick, silly |
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| 09:43.35 | Amiga4ever | why? |
| 09:43.37 | Dwonis | Amiga4ever: but that, too |
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| 09:44.11 | Amiga4ever | one old laptop.. debian etch =) |
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| 09:44.19 | ircdevil | jm_: mine run on gpm data - and gpm.conf is set to use imps2 |
| 09:44.20 | Amiga4ever | 120Mhz =P |
| 09:44.26 | ootput | deadcat: ah, works nicely |
| 09:44.26 | deadcat | Amiga4ever: oh god (= |
| 09:44.33 | deadcat | ootput: sweet. |
| 09:44.36 | yos87 | hi |
| 09:44.44 | jm_ | ircdevil: yes but that's more or less irrelevant for mouse in X |
| 09:44.53 | Dwonis | Amiga4ever: If you're going to use an obsolete computer, you could at least use a real Amiga ;) |
| 09:44.55 | deadcat | ootput: i think thats the default theme from the source. |
| 09:44.58 | ootput | deadcat: nice ss. :) |
| 09:45.07 | deadcat | (= |
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| 09:45.11 | ootput | conky? |
| 09:45.35 | deadcat | ootput: yeep. conkey, root-tail, gdeskcal, wm applets on the top right. |
| 09:45.45 | ootput | that font type/size is bad |
| 09:45.50 | ootput | for your eyes at least :) |
| 09:45.52 | Dwonis | deadcat: what file manager is that? |
| 09:45.54 | deadcat | ootput: too small? |
| 09:45.57 | deadcat | Dwonis: thunar |
| 09:46.08 | ootput | deadcat: yeah |
| 09:46.10 | ircdevil | jm_: it just means that i use protocol imps2, no? and perhaps i should try other protocols as you suggested |
| 09:46.14 | deadcat | ootput: conky is eye-candies, i dont look at it. (= |
| 09:46.15 | Amiga4ever | hard to find novadays amiga's =/ no one want's to sell A4000.. |
| 09:46.23 | ootput | deadcat: looks even smaller than my profont from my earlier ss's |
| 09:46.23 | jm_ | ircdevil: in gpm, not in X ... |
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| 09:46.41 | yos87 | liable: hi |
| 09:46.42 | ootput | deadcat: ahah, you got the bubblefish mon |
| 09:46.43 | ootput | sweet |
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| 09:46.49 | deadcat | ootput: ya. i am using size=8 |
| 09:47.11 | ircdevil | jm_: oh - i thought that x using gpmdata and gpm using imps2 kind of implied that x was using imps2 |
| 09:47.14 | deadcat | ootput: ya. i use these wm applets from wmaker and i still love them.. |
| 09:47.28 | Amiga4ever | I have couple of amiga's.. A1000 and 2xA500 |
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| 09:48.08 | ootput | deadcat: how's window management in obox? |
| 09:48.15 | ootput | deadcat: did you have to drag your terms? |
| 09:48.50 | deadcat | ootput: ya. i cant get hang of ion3 )= confused the fuck out of me. but ob3 is very nice.. |
| 09:48.52 | liable | yos87: gday |
| 09:49.10 | jm_ | ircdevil: no, you can set repeat protocol separately, and even then, you can still define your own protocol in X |
| 09:49.18 | yos87 | liable: how are you |
| 09:49.36 | liable | fine thanks |
| 09:49.41 | Amiga4ever | in ps2 I'm going to put black rhino(debian based) linux =P |
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| 09:49.59 | deadcat | Amiga4ever: we dont have ps2 |
| 09:50.14 | ircdevil | jm_: ok, ill test some different protocols in x. where do i find a list of protocols+ |
| 09:50.30 | jm_ | ircdevil: README.mouse.gz |
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| 09:51.51 | ircdevil | ok |
| 09:51.54 | berkes | helle. |
| 09:52.12 | berkes | anyone here who successfully configured msn transport for jabber? |
| 09:52.20 | yos87 | peterS: hi |
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| 09:57.37 | laurens | hi |
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| 09:58.38 | Fox | hi |
| 09:58.47 | yos87 | hi |
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| 10:06.30 | datn | hello guys, If I have a soundcard that is not support by the kernel, what can I do to make the sound work? |
| 10:06.57 | ootput | datn: check with newer alsa packages |
| 10:07.14 | ootput | datn: which card is this? |
| 10:07.21 | mne | hi. I just upgraded and now vim syntax highlighting doesn't work anymore. does anyone else have this problem. I'm running unstable |
| 10:07.45 | ootput | datn: check http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ |
| 10:07.59 | ootput | deadcat: :) |
| 10:08.29 | ootput | deadcat: with infinite power comes infinite confusion |
| 10:08.34 | deadcat | ? |
| 10:08.36 | datn | ootput integrated sound |
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| 10:08.55 | datn | ootput Its a Realtek sound |
| 10:09.06 | ootput | datn: you'd need the name of the chipset (something you'd get from the motherboard's manufacturer site |
| 10:09.27 | ootput | datn: is it an older motherboard? |
| 10:09.52 | ootput | deadcat: ion confused the fuck out of me at the start as well |
| 10:09.53 | liable | or lspci |
| 10:10.04 | Fox | mne: check for ':syntax on' in your vimrc file |
| 10:10.12 | ootput | deadcat: should've read the man pages for default keybinds |
| 10:10.31 | deadcat | ootput: oh ya.. i guess. but the problem on your screenshot is that the task list on the bottom doesnt expand to 2 monitor. only one. that seems like a bug |
| 10:10.32 | ootput | ended up c-a-backspace'ing it a whole heap of times |
| 10:10.35 | oberon | mne: vim /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 10:10.41 | mne | Fox, it's in there, but it doesn't work. |
| 10:10.51 | ootput | deadcat: nah, i only set it up for one screen |
| 10:10.52 | deadcat | ootput: i did read the man (= |
| 10:10.54 | deadcat | oh |
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| 10:11.06 | ootput | deadcat: the monitor on the right is smaller than the left |
| 10:11.14 | datn | ootput its not old but popular, its an dfi LP ultra-d |
| 10:11.19 | deadcat | ootput: hahaha.. |
| 10:11.26 | ootput | datn: overclocking goodness? |
| 10:11.40 | deadcat | ootput: HAHAHAH http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20060228_4529.jpg |
| 10:11.55 | ootput | deadcat: ahahha |
| 10:12.02 | ootput | deadcat: oh, that shit cracked me up |
| 10:12.03 | deadcat | wheres my money? |
| 10:12.03 | datn | ootput :) |
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| 10:12.41 | deadcat | ootput: i was shock when he blashed 2 shots into his kneecaps |
| 10:12.47 | oberon | mne: check in your .vimrc the runtimepath |
| 10:12.58 | Fox | mne: for any kind of file ? |
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| 10:13.05 | ootput | deadcat: ahah, for me it was the eyes |
| 10:13.12 | deadcat | hahahah |
| 10:13.13 | oberon | /usr/share/vim/vim63 instead of vim64 could cause the error |
| 10:14.01 | mne | oberon, I'v a "syntax on" there as well. I have /usr/share/vim/vim64 with vim version 6.4.7 |
| 10:14.05 | deadcat | ootput: i dont seem to have s05e10, cant find that ep anywhere. |
| 10:14.15 | mne | Fox, yes, unfortunately |
| 10:14.57 | ootput | deadcat: it's probably labeled e11 |
| 10:15.06 | ootput | deadcat: hang on a sec |
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| 10:15.54 | ankur | when i am opening my xmms from command prompt i got the following error message "libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" any suggestions |
| 10:16.11 | mne | oberon, heeeeeeey, cool, in the runtimepash is still the /usr/share/vim/vim63. I'm cganging it to vim64, that should do the trick |
| 10:16.27 | oberon | :) |
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| 10:16.36 | mne | oberon, Fox, ok, it works now, thank you guys |
| 10:17.00 | oskie | does the RFC say YYYYMMDDss for DNS zone serial or is it YYYYMMDDs? |
| 10:17.49 | mne | ankur, apt-get install libmikmod2 |
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| 10:18.42 | ankur | HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO KIRANSIR..... MAY YOU LIVE LONG...BEST WISHES FOR YOUR FUTURE.. |
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| 10:18.55 | ankur | mne: its already exists in "/usr/lib/xmms/Input/libmikmod.so" locateion |
| 10:20.08 | datn | ootput I install alsa-base + source, and did alsaconf but they can't detect my sound card |
| 10:20.26 | mne | ankur, hmm, but it has a different name. does it work if you link your libmikmid.so to libmikmod.so.2 (which xmms want's to have) ? |
| 10:21.17 | ankur | mne: sure i will try that now |
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| 10:22.14 | mne | ankur, and also check if you have /usr/lib/libmikmod.so.2 (which is a symbolic link to the real one, e.g. /usr/lib/libmikmod.so.2.0.4 for me) |
| 10:23.35 | mne | ankur, btw, I do not have a libmikmod.so.2 in my /usr/lib/xmms/Input. just the libmikmod.so. |
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| 10:24.07 | Keefe | when I start gnomebaker from the cli I get many errors |
| 10:24.32 | Keefe | the errors look like this: |
| 10:24.37 | Keefe | GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed |
| 10:25.13 | Keefe | how can i make these errors go away? |
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| 10:25.52 | dorel | i have a printer shared on a windows 2003 server, can i print to it from linux without having it's driver for linux? |
| 10:25.53 | ankur | mne: yeah.. i also do have the same... libmikmod.so... now how do i solve the problem then |
| 10:26.21 | mne | ankur, and you also have /usr/lib/libmikmod.so.2 ? |
| 10:27.09 | ankur | mne: no i dont have libmikmod.so.2 |
| 10:27.39 | mne | ankur, so then you do not have libmikmod2 installed. apt-get install libmikmod2 |
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| 10:29.16 | TBBle | dorel: Nope. Windows printing processes at the client. |
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| 10:32.07 | ejofee | when writing a dvd, k3b shows "no info" for both "fifo buffer" and "device buffer". does this mean something bad? |
| 10:32.34 | dorel | TBBle: ahh.. so no linux driver no printing from linux? even if it's already shared and working good on windows? |
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| 10:34.05 | TuX_BuBling | dorel, sure |
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| 10:34.08 | djkrikke | gas :P |
| 10:34.20 | TuX_BuBling | how could you print if you haven't drivers |
| 10:34.22 | TuX_BuBling | ;) |
| 10:34.27 | dorel | TuX_BuBling that sucks :P |
| 10:34.37 | TBBle | dorel: Yeah |
| 10:34.38 | dorel | cause maybe its installed on windows which already deals with it |
| 10:34.39 | TuX_BuBling | what is your printer model? |
| 10:34.46 | dorel | and im only sending it the file and windows will deal with it :) |
| 10:34.56 | TuX_BuBling | but windows uses windows drivers ;) |
| 10:35.08 | TuX_BuBling | what is your printer model? |
| 10:35.14 | dorel | :) |
| 10:35.16 | TBBle | dorel: Output PDFs and have the windows box autoprint the PDF. |
| 10:35.17 | dorel | lexmark x215 |
| 10:35.28 | dorel | :) |
| 10:35.35 | TuX_BuBling | ouch |
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| 10:35.44 | ejofee | when writing a dvd, k3b shows "no info" for both "fifo buffer" and "device buffer". does this mean something bad? |
| 10:35.51 | TuX_BuBling | buy HP :D |
| 10:36.08 | dorel | yeah |
| 10:36.20 | jbrimble | hello |
| 10:36.22 | dorel | thanks though |
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| 10:45.49 | ircdevil | mouse wheel problem. this mouse seems to be some sort of PS2 mouse, and i tried using protocols for Im and Explorer, but xev shows no actions from the wheel? |
| 10:46.06 | ircdevil | where is peterS when hes needed (: |
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| 10:46.28 | peterS | ircdevil: he's usually around |
| 10:46.39 | ircdevil | peterS: ehhehehe |
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| 10:47.12 | peterS | ircdevil: in the X config file, "ExplorerPS/2" and "ImPS/2" usually both work, for modern mice, but you also have to say Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" or similar |
| 10:47.46 | ircdevil | peterS: optical usb mouse. wheel and 5 buttons. i tried with ZAxisMapping 4 5 and also 6 7 |
| 10:47.56 | ircdevil | still no wheel |
| 10:48.20 | kimo__ | just read an article that testing is loosing its quality :( |
| 10:48.27 | peterS | ircdevil: you said Im and Explorer. the valid protocol names are IntelliMouse, ImPS/2, ExplorerPS/2. only the last two work. |
| 10:48.43 | peterS | ircdevil: ("IntelliMouse" is a serial mouse, not a PS/2 one) |
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| 10:49.07 | ircdevil | peterS: sorry, i meant ImPS/2, ExplorerPS/2 - those i tried |
| 10:49.19 | ejofee | when writing a dvd, k3b shows "no info" for both "fifo buffer" and "device buffer". does this mean something bad? |
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| 10:49.41 | peterS | ircdevil: kernel 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 10:49.47 | ircdevil | peterS: 2.6 |
| 10:50.12 | peterS | ircdevil: perhaps the usbhid module is not recognising the mouse correctly, and not passing the scroll wheel events on |
| 10:50.37 | peterS | I don't know why that would happen, that module is normally very reliable from what I've seen and heard |
| 10:50.48 | yang | why is bindv8 default version for debian? |
| 10:50.56 | ircdevil | peterS: perhaps the mouse does not met standards -> http://www.agknordic.com/products_detail.php?idprod=45 |
| 10:51.09 | peterS | yang: there is no 'default'. you can install either 'bind' or 'bind9', depending on which version you want |
| 10:51.36 | yang | peterS: "bind" package is v8 |
| 10:51.38 | ircdevil | peterS: notice that the windows driver seem to have a similar problem. |
| 10:51.47 | peterS | yang: yes, and 'bind9' package is v9 |
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| 10:51.56 | Keefe | cdrecord has the following permisions: |
| 10:51.59 | Keefe | -rwsr-xr-- 1 root cdrom 133 Jan 8 05:43 cdrecord |
| 10:52.12 | peterS | Keefe: yes, if you install it that way |
| 10:52.33 | peterS | ircdevil: right. I'm guessing it's a bug in the mouse, and they need to work around it with a new windows driver somehow |
| 10:52.43 | Keefe | if user is a member of cdrom group then he should be allowed to execute cdrecord, right? |
| 10:52.47 | TuX_BuBling | a question |
| 10:52.51 | TuX_BuBling | when booting |
| 10:52.54 | liable | lash out and buy another mouse? |
| 10:53.06 | peterS | ircdevil: 2000 DPI is pretty nice - does the mouse work well? |
| 10:53.07 | TuX_BuBling | user group is under root? |
| 10:53.21 | ircdevil | peterS: ehheeheheheh. so its a hardware bug ... they produced a gazillion mice and distributed - with a bug |
| 10:53.37 | jm_ | ircdevil: it wouldn't be the first time |
| 10:53.39 | ircdevil | peterS: it works quite nicely |
| 10:53.49 | ejofee | when writing a dvd, k3b shows "no info" for both "fifo buffer" and "device buffer". does this mean something bad? |
| 10:53.49 | peterS | ircdevil: yeah, well, it's a gaming mouse, they don't expect people to use it on anything but windows (: so if they fix the windows driver bug, they probably think that's good enough |
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| 10:54.23 | Keefe | peterS, what doe you mean "user group is under root"? |
| 10:54.28 | ircdevil | peterS: it also has this nasty feature, that it does not allow other pointing devices (under windows= |
| 10:54.32 | ircdevil | ) |
| 10:54.45 | peterS | Keefe: I'm confused about your question |
| 10:54.55 | ircdevil | but that is probably due to a lousy driver |
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| 10:55.02 | TuX_BuBling | Keefe peterS, what doe you mean "user group is under root"? << no was me :) |
| 10:55.06 | peterS | ircdevil: right, that'll be a limitation of the windows driver |
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| 10:55.11 | ejofee | why do all my gtk apps lag for tens of seconds (full lack of refresh)? |
| 10:55.22 | TuX_BuBling | i mean during boot process |
| 10:55.26 | peterS | TuX_BuBling: I don't understand your question. I never said "user group is under root" |
| 10:55.28 | Keefe | I have a user called kb and he is a memebr of the cdrom group |
| 10:55.42 | TuX_BuBling | all /proc access and device creation is done under root group |
| 10:55.45 | TuX_BuBling | ? |
| 10:55.46 | ircdevil | peterS: ok - so i am back at the linus quote "back in the old day where men were men, and men wrote there own device drivers ..." |
| 10:55.55 | Keefe | kb should be allowed to execute cdrecord, right? |
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| 10:56.27 | jm_ | Keefe: everyone is allowed to execute it |
| 10:56.45 | peterS | ircdevil: you can write a device driver without even digging into kernel code, nowadays. install libusb-dev and have fun |
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| 10:56.56 | peterS | jm_: not true, it's mode 4754 |
| 10:56.59 | ircdevil | Keefe: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions |
| 10:57.00 | jm_ | Keefe: or in your case, only people in group cdrom so yes |
| 10:57.00 | peterS | group cdrom |
| 10:57.10 | jm_ | peterS: yeah just noticed he doesn't use the same config |
| 10:57.21 | ircdevil | peterS: can you point me to some suggested reading? |
| 10:57.59 | peterS | ircdevil: I'd start with the package description of libusb-dev which says "More information can be found at the Linux USB web site http://www.linux-usb.org/" |
| 10:58.13 | ircdevil | peterS: ok - ill probe around. thanks |
| 10:58.21 | TuX_BuBling | some of you here using software raid without initrd kernel? |
| 10:58.34 | peterS | ircdevil: honestly, kernel input driver programming isn't all that scary. if you understand how USB works, hacking directly on the usbhid module is probably as easy as writing something with libusb |
| 10:59.01 | ne78 | any reason why is thunderbird 1.5 still missing from unstable ? |
| 10:59.02 | ircdevil | peterS: we will see about that :o) |
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| 11:00.24 | Konky | What do i have to do to build a debian source package? (i always used the original source yet) |
| 11:00.39 | Konky | to be specific: i want to build php5 from source, including oci8 and mysql support |
| 11:00.53 | peterS | Konky: apt-get source php5; apt-get build-dep php5 |
| 11:01.01 | peterS | Konky: the second command must be run as root |
| 11:01.04 | Konky | and the configure options ? |
| 11:01.16 | peterS | Konky: then you'll have a source tree sitting in your directory. in that tree you can type 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b' |
| 11:01.23 | Konky | i did a configure, but it was overwritten by defaults |
| 11:01.26 | peterS | Konky: the configure options, if any, will be in debian/rules somewhere |
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| 11:01.53 | Konky | ok so i adapt the rules file ? |
| 11:02.00 | TuX_BuBling | yes |
| 11:02.08 | peterS | Konky: this ain't gentoo, we don't assume everyone wants to dick with configure options. if you want to, you change the rules file. |
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| 11:03.48 | stoned | I just installed debian. everytime I try 'locate blah' i get locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory |
| 11:03.57 | stoned | how do i install locatedb |
| 11:04.01 | k-man_ | i'm trying to install the package libqglviewer1 but it says it depends on libqt3c102-mt, but that package does not exist.. however libqt3c102 (no mt) does exist |
| 11:04.02 | jm_ | man locate |
| 11:04.05 | shingouz | stoned: updatedb |
| 11:04.08 | k-man_ | is there any way to force the install? |
| 11:04.12 | stoned | shingouz, thanks |
| 11:04.22 | resiak | k-man_: are you using Sid? |
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| 11:04.29 | Konky | thanks for the hints, i try it ^^ |
| 11:04.36 | k-man_ | resiak, as in testing? |
| 11:04.36 | shingouz | stoned: of course you read the manual page for it before you do anything |
| 11:04.41 | stoned | yes |
| 11:04.44 | Brox | i compiled a programm from sources (here apache2) but then noticed it wasnt the right version. Can i just do rm -r /usr/local/apache2 and start over? |
| 11:04.50 | stoned | thats what i was on hehe |
| 11:04.52 | Keefe | when I try to run cdrecord I get the following error: |
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| 11:05.03 | Keefe | bash: /usr/bin/cdrecord: Permission denied |
| 11:05.07 | resiak | k-man_: No, Sid is not testing. Okay. You might have to pull in some stuff from unstable --- bunch of qt stuff is still mid-transition |
| 11:05.22 | jm_ | Keefe: did you logout and login since added yourself to group cdrom? |
| 11:05.26 | Keefe | my user is a member of the group cdrom |
| 11:05.29 | Keefe | no |
| 11:05.30 | k-man_ | resiak, oh... you think it will just show in in due course? |
| 11:05.41 | k-man_ | i might just wait if it will |
| 11:05.51 | jm_ | do that or use sg or newgrp |
| 11:06.25 | ejofee | why do all my gtk apps lag for tens of seconds (full lack of refresh)? |
| 11:06.30 | Keefe | thanks |
| 11:06.35 | resiak | k-man_: probably |
| 11:06.48 | k-man_ | resiak, i might wait then... thanks |
| 11:06.57 | TuX_BuBling | peterS, does debian/control usefull for recompilation? |
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| 11:07.10 | stoned | this here is another error I am getting. I have reconfigre on fontconfig, without luck. Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file - howo do i fix this, can't find anything on google |
| 11:07.12 | TuX_BuBling | i mean is it in that file that you set provides etc |
| 11:07.22 | stoned | well not anything, but nothing relevant |
| 11:07.52 | peterS | TuX_BuBling: if you want to create debian packages, you should read the developer reference at http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 11:08.11 | TuX_BuBling | thx |
| 11:08.22 | TuX_BuBling | cause i built a php5 hardened package |
| 11:08.32 | peterS | haha |
| 11:08.38 | peterS | php. hardened. |
| 11:08.46 | TuX_BuBling | but apt want to upgrade it to normal version |
| 11:08.55 | TuX_BuBling | hehe |
| 11:08.59 | jm_ | put it on hold |
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| 11:09.03 | kevix | TuX_BuBling: also check out the debian-mentors mailing list and mentors site on debian.net. |
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| 11:09.10 | TuX_BuBling | thx |
| 11:09.23 | stoned | could anyone help me figure out this problem with contconfig |
| 11:09.31 | stoned | fontconfig* |
| 11:10.59 | stoned | Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file - this is the error I recieve upon running applications from console, or running dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 11:11.13 | jm_ | did you delete it? |
| 11:11.16 | stoned | no |
| 11:11.19 | resiak | Do you use Terminus? |
| 11:11.30 | TuX_BuBling | peterS haha << that's funny? |
| 11:11.33 | jm_ | how do you know you didn't? |
| 11:11.36 | stoned | I had ubuntu before this, so my /home is from ubuntu, does that matter? |
| 11:11.50 | resiak | Entirely possible |
| 11:11.53 | peterS | TuX_BuBling: yes, it is. saying "php" and "security" in the same sentence is funny |
| 11:11.54 | jm_ | dpkg-reconfigure shouldn't care about files in ~ |
| 11:11.55 | resiak | Have you done what it said? |
| 11:12.00 | TuX_BuBling | lol yes |
| 11:12.02 | stoned | jm_, thats what I thought |
| 11:12.10 | stoned | I still think it infact |
| 11:12.14 | stoned | i can't seem to fix it |
| 11:12.17 | TuX_BuBling | that's why having some hard patches is a good point |
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| 11:12.59 | liable | hard patches? cialis? :) |
| 11:13.08 | Keefe | thanks guys got it working now |
| 11:13.14 | stoned | resiak, why did you ask me about terminus, I think I tried to isntall it, but it doesn't show up |
| 11:13.24 | Keefe | i used the sg command |
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| 11:14.09 | resiak | stoned: Oh, I ask because it was renamed in the last version, and I use it for my VT1-6 font, so I had to take heed of the debconf message saying it was being renamed |
| 11:14.16 | stoned | resiak, xfonts-terminus is installed but doesn't show up. I am trying to enable bitmap fonts, but i can't seem to get into th confgi utiltiy with dpkg-reconigure, everytime I run it, it gives me that error, and chance to configure fontconfig |
| 11:14.21 | resiak | but I think I misread your question, because you're talking about X |
| 11:14.40 | stoned | yes |
| 11:14.41 | stoned | I am |
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| 11:15.04 | stoned | i can't even see any bitstream fonts |
| 11:15.12 | stoned | nothing excpet like 6-10 fonts show up |
| 11:15.32 | fireba11 | stoned: X is getting a handfull fo settings from home |
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| 11:15.48 | stoned | fireba11, i use kde, where would this nastiness be so i can remove it |
| 11:15.57 | stoned | i don't even know what to search for |
| 11:16.33 | fireba11 | what about creating a new user and moving all files that sound like x over to your profile ? |
| 11:16.42 | stoned | there is a .fonts/ and .fonts.conf in my ~/ |
| 11:16.53 | stoned | i could try deleting those two |
| 11:17.05 | jm_ | don't delete thins, move them |
| 11:17.15 | stoned | i'll rename them |
| 11:17.21 | stoned | and i'll be damned |
| 11:17.42 | stoned | .fonts.conf = xms with doctype contconfig system |
| 11:17.43 | stoned | heh |
| 11:17.56 | jm_ | like I said, dpkg-reocnfigure doesn't care about that |
| 11:18.41 | stoned | so what should I do |
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| 11:19.11 | jm_ | poke arround in /etc/fonts ... list the contents of the package, why is it so hard for people to grasp this step |
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| 11:19.39 | stoned | hah |
| 11:19.47 | stoned | that was the first thing I did, trying to find the conf file |
| 11:20.11 | stoned | don't assume/judge just like that man, keep your unneeded thoughts to yourself. |
| 11:20.23 | jm_ | you simply do that by listing packeg contents or /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg?.conffiles |
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| 11:21.03 | jm_ | right,another clueless idiot being offended when you point out how simple things are and who doesn't have "thank you" in his vocabulary |
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| 11:21.23 | dingoes | how can i forward a range of ports to use a single port on my server ...for example if are some connections made to be forwarded to that port automatically?? |
| 11:21.30 | dingoes | with iptables |
| 11:21.30 | stoned | im not offended, just saying, try not to come off as an asshole |
| 11:21.37 | stoned | its generally good |
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| 11:21.46 | stoned | I do however appreciate the time you are taking to help me |
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| 11:21.57 | jm_ | you mean smarter than you? will keep in mind not to help you in the future, so not a problem |
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| 11:22.09 | stoned | wow, now we really know whos offended :) |
| 11:22.16 | stoned | thanks thoug, have a good one |
| 11:22.20 | jm_ | dingoes: that doesn't make sense |
| 11:22.43 | dingoes | why not ?? |
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| 11:23.27 | fireba11 | dingoes: what are you trying to achieve ?? |
| 11:23.27 | dingoes | oke then how can i make with iptables like any connections to a specifi range of ports to be send to a single port only |
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| 11:23.50 | dingoes | i am behind a firewall |
| 11:23.52 | fireba11 | dingoes: i can't imagine a situation where this would make sense |
| 11:24.01 | dingoes | but i am allowed to make ssh conectiosn |
| 11:24.13 | dingoes | and http only |
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| 11:24.32 | fireba11 | dingoes: so you are trying to bypass firewall with that |
| 11:24.36 | jm_ | dingoes: DNAT rules |
| 11:24.38 | dingoes | yes |
| 11:24.46 | fireba11 | dingoes: it won't work like that |
| 11:24.53 | dingoes | why not ?? |
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| 11:25.24 | dingoes | on windows ..i can make for example torrent cponections with that |
| 11:25.26 | killroy | suomalaisia??? |
| 11:25.38 | dingoes | the AllowTCPFOrward is one on a remote ssh server |
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| 11:25.50 | dingoes | and i have there a proxy server too |
| 11:25.53 | The_And1 | Hi guys! |
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| 11:26.03 | ircdevil | peterS: the most incredible thing happened |
| 11:26.09 | peterS | ircdevil: ...? |
| 11:26.10 | mo1991 | is there a way to use the hostap driver to connect to a wireless router? IE use it just to connect and not as an access point |
| 11:26.11 | mo1991 | ? |
| 11:26.17 | The_And1 | "/msg |
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| 11:26.21 | dingoes | so jm_ any ideas how to put in iptables ? |
| 11:26.30 | ircdevil | peterS: i wrote to the mouse manifacturer. they replied with 1 minute. they are sending me a new mouse! |
| 11:26.38 | The_And1 | Why use iptables anyways? |
| 11:26.38 | peterS | ircdevil: cool! |
| 11:26.45 | jm_ | dingoes: read iptables tutorial, it has examples, together with shitloads of other examples hw to configure port forwarding with iptables |
| 11:26.46 | stoned | jm_, its a bug as far as I can tell |
| 11:27.03 | dingoes | i know he has manuals :)) |
| 11:27.04 | The_And1 | ircdevil: woaw.... what manifacturer is it? |
| 11:27.06 | peterS | ircdevil: that's almost unbelievable |
| 11:27.09 | ircdevil | peterS: "HEY ALL! WRITE A MAIL TO THIS ADDY AND GET A FANCY NEW MOUSE!" :o))))) |
| 11:27.19 | peterS | heh |
| 11:27.25 | stoned | jm_, I just did force-confmiss on fontconfig and apparantly the conf isn't in the package |
| 11:27.27 | peterS | of course, you still have to wait to see if the new one works with linux |
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| 11:27.50 | ircdevil | peterS: this is too good to be true |
| 11:27.51 | stoned | im using sid, I just installed etch and then sid |
| 11:28.07 | dingoes | but i need a real example ..iptables has thousand of examples ...i wonder if anybody from here knows |
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| 11:28.11 | The_And1 | Why is it that all games are programed for win32? (exept for doom3) |
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| 11:28.26 | resiak | and Unreal Tournament 200[34], and Enemy Territory, .. |
| 11:28.33 | blondie | The_And1: because it's what most people run? |
| 11:28.37 | resiak | and quake 3, and quake 4 |
| 11:28.46 | resiak | and others that I don't know because I'm not a gamer |
| 11:28.49 | ircdevil | The_And1: game companies will not support different os |
| 11:28.53 | resiak | Oh, and Darwinia and Uplink |
| 11:28.59 | liable | money... |
| 11:29.05 | gigabytes | resiak, is starcraft ported on linux? |
| 11:29.05 | stoned | when I do fc-list on console it lists all the fonts i've installed, but damn fontconfig |
| 11:29.06 | resiak | Look at all the counter-examples! |
| 11:29.06 | The_And1 | what wackojacko plays darwinia? |
| 11:29.11 | seeeS | there used to be loki games |
| 11:29.11 | resiak | gigabytes: I don't know? |
| 11:29.17 | resiak | Oh, and Second Life |
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| 11:29.52 | jm_ | stoned: what is a bug? |
| 11:30.13 | The_And1 | why can't some 1337-haxxor just copy paste some source code from the windows 2000s source thats on the internet and we can play win32 games without wine or cedega ^^ |
| 11:30.15 | stoned | I think I made a mistake by addressing you again |
| 11:30.17 | stoned | I give |
| 11:30.29 | resiak | The_And1: Because it's illegal. HTH |
| 11:30.34 | bony | i get lot of unwanted data regarding my ethernet card eth1 when ever i switch to any text terminal some thing like "Feb 28 15:02:44 localhost kernel: IN=eth1 OUT=eth1 SRC=192.168.32.72 DST=218.248.255.145 LEN=69 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=127 ID=41993 PROTO=UDP SPT=1253 DPT=53 LEN=49" these lines just scrol on and on how do i stop this from happening i tried to redirect the dmesg to a file and did every thing i can to redirect the out up but i can stop it from com |
| 11:30.35 | bony | ming now recently i configured my logcheck so that it send's me mail every hour even in that i get this as system even i am fed up with this please help me |
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| 11:31.12 | The_And1 | who gives a shit about what not is legal and isn't |
| 11:31.29 | resiak | Most of the world. |
| 11:31.30 | jm_ | bony: /msg dpkg printk.console |
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| 11:32.07 | jm_ | bony: sorry "/msg dpkg printk console" |
| 11:32.07 | bony | jm_ nothing came up |
| 11:32.10 | ircdevil | a friend of mine just got a 10000$ server and installed sarge on it. he is asking what to install next. i suggested sl, cowsay, and tuxracer - and now he complains i am not serious enuf. what else should i recommend? |
| 11:32.11 | bony | ok |
| 11:32.21 | The_And1 | damn it... I mean if you would be able to play games on linux distrobutions then the evil microsoft empire will crash... Why would anyone pay for something that's not as good as something free |
| 11:32.22 | resiak | whatever he needs |
| 11:32.34 | jm_ | ircdevil: bb :) |
| 11:32.38 | resiak | Because you can't play games on Linux, according to you |
| 11:32.42 | TuX_BuBling | somebody using here grsec kernel + raid soft + initrd?? |
| 11:32.59 | overnout | ircdevil: for what does he wants the server ? |
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| 11:33.36 | ircdevil | overnout: just some silly sequence crunching (bioinformatics) |
| 11:33.39 | The_And1 | how many pro gamers in the world plays counter-strike on a linux computer? |
| 11:33.49 | TBBle | bony: Have you got an iptables rules that calls the LOG target? |
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| 11:34.05 | resiak | *plonk* |
| 11:34.06 | overnout | ircdevil: just for games ? |
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| 11:34.23 | bony | TBBle: how to check weather the rules are set or not ? |
| 11:34.26 | TuX_BuBling | how many pro gamers have a valid windows license ;) |
| 11:34.31 | TBBle | bony: iptables -L |
| 11:34.32 | TuX_BuBling | somebody using here grsec kernel + raid soft + initrd?? |
| 11:34.34 | bony | ok |
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| 11:34.42 | resiak | !tell The_And1 -about anyone |
| 11:34.43 | ircdevil | overnout: sure - nethack! |
| 11:34.55 | overnout | 8) |
| 11:35.04 | overnout | yes of course |
| 11:35.26 | bony | TBBle: LOG all -- 127.0.0.0/8 anywhere LOG level warning this is what you mean ? |
| 11:35.36 | bony | that was the out of iptables -L |
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| 11:35.43 | bony | i mean the LOG section |
| 11:36.01 | streuner | did someone inform dondelcaro that the bot doesn't work? |
| 11:36.18 | streuner | dpkg, hi |
| 11:36.21 | jm_ | streuner: it works |
| 11:36.28 | streuner | hm |
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| 11:36.36 | jm_ | but it's a bit slow |
| 11:36.42 | TuX_BuBling | that's pittyfull |
| 11:36.45 | TuX_BuBling | o my god |
| 11:36.46 | bluebanana | Hi together |
| 11:37.07 | TuX_BuBling | initrd /bin/sh |
| 11:37.15 | TuX_BuBling | is doing resource overstep |
| 11:37.22 | TuX_BuBling | that is killing by grsec |
| 11:37.29 | resiak | !tell TuX_BuBling -about enter |
| 11:37.30 | TBBle | bony: Hmm. That one wouldn't generate the output you mentioned... It would log anything being sent out 127.0.0.1, while your logs are showing traffic on your eth ports. |
| 11:37.41 | TuX_BuBling | Oo |
| 11:37.59 | resiak | Oh wait, the bot is fucked. TuX_BuBling: please don't hit enter every three words |
| 11:37.59 | TuX_BuBling | enter? |
| 11:38.07 | streuner | apt, enter |
| 11:38.08 | apt | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 11:38.09 | TuX_BuBling | ah yes sorry |
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| 11:38.19 | TuX_BuBling | anyway |
| 11:38.25 | bony | TBBle: so how to stop logging that traffic |
| 11:38.28 | TuX_BuBling | never get this problem on other distros |
| 11:38.34 | bluebanana | #flood |
| 11:39.10 | jm_ | bony: a) remove rules that cause it, b) do what dpkg told you |
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| 11:39.49 | bony | TBBle: that was from chain INPUT section and other that is chain FORWARD and chain output have no 127.0.0.1 but it has anyware |
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| 11:40.09 | bony | jm_: dpkg did not say me any thing |
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| 11:40.29 | jm_ | bony: /msg apt printk console |
| 11:40.55 | ircdevil | bb is so wierd |
| 11:41.11 | tarzeau | anyone in switzerland , soonish? |
| 11:42.36 | stoned | I fixed the problem btw, package fontconfig-config was shown installed, but without any files. I reinstalled it with confmiss and now fonts cache is being generated properly |
| 11:42.42 | killroy | i cant istall et game |
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| 11:43.24 | killroy | what i doing wrong |
| 11:43.24 | kevix | killroy: what do you want to install? |
| 11:43.45 | killroy | enemy territory |
| 11:44.14 | kevix | killroy: is that gnu/linux or windows? |
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| 11:44.24 | killroy | linux |
| 11:44.53 | TuX_BuBling | there's no installation for the linux version |
| 11:45.31 | kevix | TuX_BuBling: was it built for fedora or suse? |
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| 11:46.29 | TBBle | bony: Wait, do they have LOG as well? |
| 11:46.33 | TuX_BuBling | don't think it's distro dependant |
| 11:46.37 | killroy | how i get it working |
| 11:46.37 | tarzeau | can i write DVD with xcdroast? |
| 11:46.41 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:46.46 | TuX_BuBling | i use it on frugalware, and works like a charm |
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| 11:46.51 | jm_ | tarzeau: why bother? use growisofs |
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| 11:47.02 | bony | TBBle: were to check ? |
| 11:47.16 | tarzeau | jm_: our users want a gui! and they don't have root rights |
| 11:47.25 | jm_ | tarzeau: k3b ;) |
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| 11:47.37 | TBBle | bony: in iptables -L. It was just that one line that had 'LOG' at the start? |
| 11:47.46 | fwest | how can i do a checksum of the files from a .deb? |
| 11:47.59 | Error_X | I've apt-get linux-image-2.6.15-1-686, but when I start it up, it says; "cannot mount root" or something, and busybox comes up.. |
| 11:48.02 | jm_ | fwest: apt-cache show debsums |
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| 11:48.04 | Reilithion | Okay, I'm really weirded out here. I can obviously reach the Internet, since I'm here on Freenode, but I can't ping my wireless router. What's going on? |
| 11:48.36 | Knight_Lord | Reilithion maybe your wireless router doesn't answers to pings |
| 11:49.03 | Error_X | Reilithion: Maybe you're on your neighbour's wlan? ;p |
| 11:50.00 | bony | TBBle: LOG came in other two sections too that is in output and forward |
| 11:50.14 | Reilithion | Knight_Lord, but it is supposed to respond to http requests so that it can be reconfigured. No response wirelessly, but the computer that is connected to it via ethernet cable reaches it just fine. |
| 11:50.21 | Reilithion | Error_X, Nope. Checked that. |
| 11:50.22 | kevix | Reilithion: as Error_X says do you use: any as your essid? |
| 11:50.41 | Reilithion | kevix, no. I'm on THE_CRAG. ^_^ |
| 11:52.32 | Knight_Lord | Reilithion ok so did you try telnet to port 80? |
| 11:53.03 | Knight_Lord | Reilithion maybe it's only supposed to be configured from the ethernet cable |
| 11:53.19 | Knight_Lord | Reilithion which if you ask me sounds quite reasonable |
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| 11:53.50 | kevix | Reilithion: did anything happen receantly? upgrade rom? reconfigure? |
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| 11:55.06 | Reilithion | Knight_Lord, I've accessed it before, and from other computers. kevix come to think of it, I upgraded kernels recently |
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| 11:55.29 | Reilithion | kevix, but nothing changed on the wireless router that I know of |
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| 11:56.22 | bony | TBBle: what should i do :-( |
| 11:56.35 | kevix | Reilithion: how do you configure it? serial or web? |
| 11:57.11 | Reilithion | kevix, it accepts http requests from the local network, so you can access it with a web browser. |
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| 11:58.10 | Reilithion | --- 192.168.0.1 ping statistics --- |
| 11:58.10 | Reilithion | 10 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 9016ms |
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| 11:58.28 | Reilithion | how is ^this^ possible if I'm using that very router to talk to you guys? |
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| 11:58.36 | stjepan | anyone here got working XGL/Compiz with fglrx? |
| 11:58.54 | wols | Reilithion: lots of routers drop ping packets for a stupid "security" reason |
| 11:59.18 | Reilithion | wols, but I can ping it from the computer that's connected to it via ethernet cable |
| 11:59.31 | Error_X | whats the difference between linux-image, and kernel-image? |
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| 11:59.47 | wols | thenit's "security" against WLAN wardrivers |
| 11:59.51 | Reilithion | Error_X, the name |
| 11:59.56 | Error_X | heh |
| 11:59.56 | kevix | Error_X: name change. |
| 12:00.07 | Error_X | okey |
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| 12:01.07 | kevix | Reilithion: when was the last time this worked? a day ago |
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| 12:01.58 | coolpix | lo |
| 12:02.02 | Reilithion | kevix, it's been quite a while. I normally let my brother's boyfriend maintain the configuration on the wireless router. AFAIK, he does it wirelessly. |
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| 12:02.25 | Reilithion | Weeks or months. |
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| 12:02.29 | Error_X | uhm, I apt-get the 2.6.15 kernel but won't mount root.. it only starts busybox |
| 12:02.58 | valdyn | stjepan: compiz currently cant work on fglrx |
| 12:03.19 | Reilithion | cute name |
| 12:03.37 | stjepan | valdyn: you sure? |
| 12:03.42 | valdyn | stjepan: yes |
| 12:03.45 | stjepan | valdyn: what about XGL? |
| 12:03.55 | Error_X | Any ideas of what I have to do to fix it? |
| 12:03.58 | valdyn | stjepan: might work, google 'suse xgl wiki' |
| 12:04.09 | stjepan | valdyn: compiz and xgl work great with fglrx: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=739758 |
| 12:04.19 | valdyn | stjepan: no they dont |
| 12:04.24 | stjepan | valdyn: also see gentoo wiki howto_xgl |
| 12:04.35 | stjepan | valdyn: how they dont? |
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| 12:04.47 | valdyn | stjepan: there's no hardware acceleration possible for compiz at the moment |
| 12:05.00 | stjepan | valdyn: they dont because old and quite bad suse xgl wiki says they dont? |
| 12:05.01 | kevix | !dpkg yaird |
| 12:05.07 | valdyn | stjepan: though there is for Xgl |
| 12:05.18 | stjepan | valdyn: who says that? o_O |
| 12:05.32 | valdyn | stjepan: no , because compiz requires the gl extension 'texture_from_pixmap' and that does not exist in any hardware driver |
| 12:05.48 | valdyn | stjepan: feel free to google for that too |
| 12:05.55 | kevix | Error_X: I think it is related to a new initrd progarm called 'yaird' with 2.6.15 |
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| 12:06.07 | stjepan | valdyn: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_XGL#GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap_is_missing |
| 12:06.07 | Reilithion | Is it possible that a network configuration file on this computer is messed up and that's why I can't reach the router itself? |
| 12:06.29 | valdyn | stjepan: they advise you to use mesa's software GL |
| 12:06.46 | hannesd | How can I use touch recursive on a dir? (configure complains about files having date in the future) |
| 12:06.57 | kevix | Reilithion: what does your /sbin/route say? |
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| 12:07.23 | stjepan | valdyn: heh, many people on forums talk about success stories with xgl and fglrx. They say it works perfect. |
| 12:07.30 | valdyn | stjepan: you can use software GL only or do ld_preload tricks |
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| 12:07.39 | kevix | hannesd: I script with find ./| while read line; do touch $line; done or similar |
| 12:07.44 | valdyn | stjepan: you're not reading this accurately or you're just wrong |
| 12:07.55 | Reilithion | kevix, 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 ath0 |
| 12:07.55 | Reilithion | 169.254.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 ath0 |
| 12:07.55 | Reilithion | default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ath0 |
| 12:08.06 | wols | kevix: do NOT paste here |
| 12:08.19 | stjepan | valdyn: you confused me |
| 12:08.32 | TBBle | bony: What were the other LOG lines? |
| 12:08.37 | kevix | Reilithion: looks ok? |
| 12:08.43 | wols | and no wireless router is accessible via wireless itself |
| 12:08.55 | Peterken | Good afternoon all. I'm trying to install the package : xmms-xmmplayer. but he says that package mplayer could not be installed. I know that one is not in the official apt list, so i installed it from a tarball. Is there a way to force the install of xmms-xmmplayer ? |
| 12:09.01 | wols | would make it way too easy for a wifi cracker to change your settings |
| 12:09.15 | bony | TBBle: can i pm to you the output of iptables -L |
| 12:09.20 | wols | !tell Peterken about marillat |
| 12:09.29 | wols | Peterken: install mplayer from a deb package |
| 12:09.52 | Peterken | crap, zo i have to remove the one tarballed? |
| 12:09.56 | Reilithion | I don't know what this business about 169.254.0.0 is, but yeah. It looks fine. |
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| 12:10.00 | valdyn | stjepan: ok, slowly, your Xgl can run hardware acceleratated : 'LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so.1_from_fgrlx Xgl', compiz cant : 'LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so.1_from_mesa compiz' |
| 12:10.10 | Peterken | i mean uninstall the things i installed from tarball |
| 12:10.30 | wols | 169.254.0.0 is the "default IP" one gets if DHCP didn't work. fix DHCP |
| 12:10.34 | valdyn | stjepan: assuming Xgl runs on fglrx at all, i only tried this for nvidia |
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| 12:10.55 | Peterken | and then make a deb file from the files in the tarball? or do i have to search on the net for a precompiled deb file? |
| 12:11.17 | wols | !marillat |
| 12:11.32 | jm_ | Peterken: see if it has uninstall target, apt-cache show checkinstall |
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| 12:11.39 | wols | Peterken: http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
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| 12:11.51 | Reilithion | wols, where do I need to fix it? On this computer, or on the router? |
| 12:11.57 | valdyn | stjepan: this howto seems to be for ubuntu packages, those might be linking against whatever. that does not imply that compiz will be hardware accelerated |
| 12:12.11 | wols | Reilithion: nowhere cause it would be a stupid idea |
| 12:12.13 | Peterken | tnx wols & jm_ |
| 12:12.15 | wols | wlan is never safe |
| 12:12.20 | stjepan | valdyn: but it works fast :) |
| 12:12.30 | wols | jm_: is dpkg broken again? |
| 12:12.42 | valdyn | stjepan: fast enough on a decently fast computer |
| 12:12.53 | streuner | wols: it doesn't work or slow |
| 12:12.55 | jm_ | wols: yeah, not responding |
| 12:12.58 | Reilithion | wols, you said "fix dhcp". can you give me an idea how, please? |
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| 12:13.11 | valdyn | stjepan: using mplayer though might be slow as molasses using software GL |
| 12:13.20 | wols | Reilithion: no. not enough input |
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| 12:14.33 | dvm1981 | Using 'Fluxbox', the default webbrowser is 'konquerror', where can i change that so that 'mozilla-firefox' are the default one? |
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| 12:14.46 | resiak | apt: tell dvm1981 about alternatives |
| 12:14.53 | valdyn | stjepan: you can run something like : 'LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.whatever glxinfo' to probably understand this better ( and vary the libGL ) |
| 12:15.04 | stjepan | ok, tnx |
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| 12:15.36 | Reilithion | I've been meaning to find out for some time now. Is there a command that lists my IP address(es)? |
| 12:16.00 | Knight_Lord | Reilithion ifconfig -a |
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| 12:16.36 | Reilithion | thanks, Knight_Lord |
| 12:18.13 | Reilithion | Yep, sure enough, it lists 169.254.19.60 as my IP for interface ath0 (my wireless card). How can I tell if this is a problem with the computer or the router? |
| 12:18.17 | TBBle | bony: You didn't wait, but I'll tell you anyway... iptables -D FORWARD -j LOG... And then review whatever it was that posessed you to build such a grotesque mockery of an iptables firewall setup. |
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| 12:18.41 | stjepan | ack |
| 12:18.45 | stjepan | ops |
| 12:18.48 | Knight_Lord | Reilithion have you tried portmaping the router? |
| 12:18.52 | Knight_Lord | Reilithion with nmap for example |
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| 12:19.10 | Reilithion | Knight_Lord, nope. I can try, though. |
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| 12:19.27 | mYoric | hi |
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| 12:19.37 | Knight_Lord | Reilithion your only problem is not being able to connect to the router right? |
| 12:19.52 | stjepan | valdyn: whats this: http://pastebin.com/576493 ? |
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| 12:20.00 | jbrimble | hey, what's the mysql conf file called? |
| 12:20.15 | bony | TBBle: i am sorry and i will look in to this command and let you know |
| 12:20.33 | sep | jbrimble, my.cnf |
| 12:20.41 | jm_ | jbrimble: mysql documentation explains that |
| 12:20.43 | blondie | my.cnf |
| 12:20.47 | blondie | c.c |
| 12:20.56 | Reilithion | Knight_Lord, well, I'm having trouble because certain programs don't seem to be able to accept incoming connections, like BitTorrent for example. Not being able to connect to the router is just one possible symptom I'm investigating. |
| 12:21.20 | dvm1981 | resiak: Thanks for the tip. |
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| 12:21.27 | Knight_Lord | Reilithion if you're being a router not being to accept incoming connections is quite logical |
| 12:21.33 | Knight_Lord | behind* |
| 12:21.36 | stjepan | valdyn: what are these errrors? |
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| 12:22.22 | Reilithion | Knight_Lord, that a fact? can I enable incomming connections somehow? |
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| 12:23.04 | jbrimble | thanks sep, jm_ and blondie for the response. |
| 12:23.11 | Knight_Lord | Reilithion you need to set up a routing table in your router |
| 12:23.35 | Knight_Lord | Reilithion accepting incomings behind a NAT is a big mess i'm afraid |
| 12:23.36 | resiak | dvm1981: np |
| 12:24.01 | sigma | hi, could someone help me with an big mysql-problem, i somehow messed up the mysql server and i can't bring it back to live. is it possible to back up the databases with out the server |
| 12:24.12 | sep | Reilithion, you must enable port forwarding on the ports you want to accept on |
| 12:24.13 | wireddd | Knight_Lord, its just some iptables rules... |
| 12:24.16 | Reilithion | Knight_Lord, I see. |
| 12:24.36 | Knight_Lord | wireddd yea if you have 2 clients, bye bye |
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| 12:25.03 | kspath | sigma: have you thought about asking #mysql ? |
| 12:25.17 | sigma | hmmm, good point, sorry |
| 12:25.20 | Reilithion | sep, sounds like I'd need to take a static IP on this computer, then. That sound right? |
| 12:25.29 | sep | Reilithion, correct |
| 12:25.36 | Knight_Lord | Like i said, big mess |
| 12:25.43 | wireddd | hah |
| 12:25.47 | wireddd | thats not a mess |
| 12:26.05 | Knight_Lord | wireddd and it only works for 1 computer |
| 12:26.10 | Reilithion | That would take care of the DHCP problem too, I suspect. |
| 12:26.15 | sep | Reilithion, basicaly you say port 80 on router should forward to port 80 on 192.168.0.10 (or wherever it is) it's a quite common practice. |
| 12:26.32 | sep | Reilithion, depending on the service (port) you can forward to different computers on the inside |
| 12:26.46 | wireddd | Knight_Lord, yeah thats true, however this isn't an enterprise situation |
| 12:27.12 | Knight_Lord | wireddd sure, just this NAT situation we're currently on is quite bad |
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| 12:27.19 | Reilithion | sep, would the DMZ have the effect of forwarding all ports to a single IP? |
| 12:27.36 | kspath | You need something like LVSP if you want many machines all answering on port 80 behind an internet routable IP. |
| 12:27.38 | sep | Reilithion, is this some cheap ass broadband router. then yes it might do that |
| 12:27.41 | Knight_Lord | wireddd first it was all the people complaining their FTP didn't work, now it's the P2P |
| 12:28.01 | sep | Reilithion, if it's a REAL firewall then dmz just means a different zone with different rules. but you still have to configure each rule |
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| 12:28.10 | wireddd | yeah I know, we need ipv6 so we can have regular routers |
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| 12:28.12 | Reilithion | lol! you probably hit it on the nose, sep |
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| 12:28.59 | Reilithion | sep, suppose I entered 192.168.0.0 for the DMZ and let the individual computers fend for themselves as far as firewalling was concerned. Think that'd work? |
| 12:29.10 | sep | Reilithion, it woud not work |
| 12:29.23 | Reilithion | sep, I am intrigued. Why wouldn't it? |
| 12:29.35 | sep | Reilithion, you have 1 addres on the outside. and 255 addresses on the inside it's just not doable |
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| 12:29.50 | Knight_Lord | Reilithion internal addresses are not routable on the internet |
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| 12:30.19 | Reilithion | Ah. I see where this is going. This is one of the limitations they're trying to overcome with IPv6, right? |
| 12:30.30 | CcSsNET | kinda |
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| 12:30.38 | CcSsNET | but yes for the sake of refreance |
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| 12:31.26 | sep | Reilithion, imho there are security benefits to not have each bloddy windows computer with a routeable address tho |
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| 12:31.49 | beware | with nat, packets can't be routed to more than one lan pc without help of the router |
| 12:31.56 | beware | (thus, it sending packets to mroe than one lan pc) |
| 12:32.04 | kspath | sep: Last thing we need is Windblowz machines spraying who knows what. |
| 12:32.07 | justStormY | anybody here who has experience with PXE booting? |
| 12:32.12 | Reilithion | Ok, I am understanding a great deal more about all of this now. Thanks for your help, everyone. |
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| 12:32.19 | mixter | hi! if i run `aptitude show php5` it says that php5 is not a real package. i guess that this is some kind of alias ponting to php5-apache2-5.0.4 or whatever. how do i the name of the real package? |
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| 12:32.51 | streuner | mixter: use pdo.debian.net? |
| 12:32.51 | beware | what can be wrong if a initrd's linuxrc (shell script) is not executed, and there are no errors either |
| 12:32.59 | sep | !asj |
| 12:33.00 | sep | !ask |
| 12:33.05 | streuner | mixter: what version of debian are you running? |
| 12:33.12 | streuner | apt, ask |
| 12:33.13 | apt | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a quesiton first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 12:33.24 | sep | dpkg asleep ? |
| 12:33.29 | tarzeau | justStormY: yes |
| 12:33.35 | look_at_the_next | Hi, people I have some problems with my PCMCIA card Xircom Credit Card Modem. I cant make it work with Kernel 2.6.15 (Debian Sid). The serial_cs driver cant make a serial device for the modem. Any tip? |
| 12:33.41 | Reilithion | aww, this is the first time I've seen dpkg asleep |
| 12:33.49 | kspath | !lart kspath |
| 12:34.03 | kspath | yes, dpkg is asleep. |
| 12:34.22 | streuner | dondelelcaro: the bot doesn't work |
| 12:34.27 | mixter | streuner: i run sarge, isn't packages.debian.net down? i'd like to know how to use these things without depending on a website :-) |
| 12:34.27 | kspath | !tell kspath about lart |
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| 12:34.45 | justStormY | tarzeau: What is basically needed for an PXE boot? |
| 12:34.49 | kevix | mixter: use apt-file! |
| 12:34.50 | streuner | mixter: there aren't any stable php5 packages (official) |
| 12:35.00 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau first a NIC that supports it |
| 12:35.01 | kspath | mixter: see topic |
| 12:35.04 | tarzeau | justStormY: intel architecture, network boot nics |
| 12:35.07 | kevix | !backports |
| 12:35.09 | streuner | mixter: http://pdo.debian.net/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=php5&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 12:35.10 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau sorry wrong person |
| 12:35.10 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: i know! |
| 12:35.17 | tarzeau | justStormY: and dhcpd/tftpd ? |
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| 12:35.24 | kevix | !apt backports |
| 12:35.31 | bony | TBBle: i gave this command iptables -F and every thing went off |
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| 12:35.42 | mixter | kevix: thanks! |
| 12:35.45 | bony | TBBle: i just restarted my system :-( |
| 12:35.47 | streuner | kevix: use /msg bot instead please |
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| 12:36.00 | kspath | mixter: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search keyword |
| 12:36.03 | justStormY | tarzeau: You don't know a good tut where all is explained? |
| 12:36.03 | bony | TBBle: and the problem is still comming |
| 12:36.04 | kevix | how to you /etc/init.d/dpkg restart ! |
| 12:36.08 | streuner | mixter: or /msg apt php5 |
| 12:36.12 | tarzeau | justStormY: not for intel/pxe |
| 12:36.18 | tarzeau | justStormY: but really, it's very simple |
| 12:36.22 | bkankur | if i want to open .swf file which package i need to install |
| 12:36.39 | Knight_Lord | justStormY google probably knows |
| 12:36.50 | kevix | bkankur: play? or open? |
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| 12:37.06 | justStormY | tarzeau: For you ;) - But i haven't any experience abot this - si it isn't as easy for you :) |
| 12:37.07 | mixter | streuner: the package search on debian.net is great (and so are apt in the irc channel) but i'd really like to be able to these things by myself :-) i'd look into apt-file |
| 12:37.22 | bkankur | kevix: i am using firefox.. and in which application i need to open .swf file |
| 12:37.25 | streuner | mixter: /msg apt search |
| 12:37.56 | kspath | mixter: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search keyword ; apt-get install debtags; debtags update; man debtags |
| 12:38.29 | mixter | kspath: hehe... thanks! i got the entire sequence now :-) |
| 12:38.38 | look_at_the_next | bkankur: You mean Flash animations? |
| 12:38.52 | bkankur | look_at_the_next: yes |
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| 12:39.43 | Reilithion | bkankur, I don't think Debian has a package for that. Non-free software and all that. |
| 12:40.01 | look_at_the_next | bkankur: Well, you need the plugin |
| 12:40.06 | Reilithion | I downloaded something from Macromedia and it installed itself. |
| 12:40.33 | streuner | swf-player - Mozilla plugin for SWF files (Macromedia Flash) |
| 12:40.33 | bkankur | look_at_the_next: what should i do next to get the plugin |
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| 12:40.48 | look_at_the_next | bkankur: I think that there is a GNU plugin around but still incomplete |
| 12:41.11 | bkankur | ohhh okey thank you. any alternative to this |
| 12:41.25 | Reilithion | Well blow me down. I guess there is a package for that. |
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| 12:41.44 | aarkerio | what are the KJS video files? |
| 12:42.20 | look_at_the_next | bkankur: In Debian you have to install it manually, when you download the plugin from Maacromedia, just decompress and there is a shell script that guides you throught the steps |
| 12:42.50 | look_at_the_next | bkankur: You must be root if you want to install it for all users |
| 12:43.17 | jm_ | you do? flashplugin-nonfree - Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer |
| 12:44.15 | d4t2ilL4 | hi |
| 12:44.31 | d4t2ilL4 | do you guys know why i dont have the command make-kpkg |
| 12:44.45 | valdyn | !kernel-package |
| 12:44.50 | streuner | d4t2ilL4: /msg apt kp |
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| 12:44.53 | jm_ | yes, because you didn't install it ... |
| 12:44.54 | streuner | use apt instead |
| 12:45.15 | streuner | d4t2ilL4: apt-get install build-essential(s) |
| 12:45.39 | streuner | d4t2ilL4: apt-get install build-essential kernel-package |
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| 12:47.25 | d4t2ilL4 | ahhh |
| 12:47.41 | d4t2ilL4 | i did a search for make-kpkg :) |
| 12:48.15 | jm_ | apt-cache doesn't search for filenames |
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| 12:48.43 | jm_ | then again, it does find the package |
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| 12:48.50 | jm_ | (in this case) |
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| 12:49.03 | leikh | I have a huge thunderbird mbx-file where content-type is missing for most messages. I hope to fix this by replacing every instance of "Mime-Type:1.0 [line-break] [line-break] <x-html>" with "Mime-Type:1.0 [linebreak] Content-Type: text/html [line-break] <x-html>". Suggestions? |
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| 12:52.01 | tyler_ | hey, how do i get my printer/scanner/fax running, its a brother mfc 5200c |
| 12:52.16 | d4t2ilL4 | CUP |
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| 12:53.15 | SlayerXP | s/as/an/ |
| 12:53.31 | d4t2ilL4 | thanks |
| 12:53.43 | TBBle | bony: Is iptables -L showing the stuff again after rbeoot? |
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| 12:54.29 | fireba11 | leikh: 1) how did that happen ? 2) whats not wirking without content-type ? |
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| 12:55.59 | leikh | fireball: 1) migrated from eudora (windows) by uploading all messages to imap-server, and then let thunderbird download them. 2) all messages are shown as plain text |
| 12:56.49 | fireba11 | leikh: i usually force messages to plain text anyway .. ;-) |
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| 12:58.18 | leikh | fireball: stupid people send me stupid messages in html, making it rather awkward reading them in plain text... |
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| 12:58.54 | fireba11 | leikh: true ... and detection in thunderbird is not working without content-type ? |
| 12:58.58 | tomas_ | unable to lookup satan via gethostbyname() |
| 12:59.04 | tomas_ | wher edo i need to add satan? it's in /etc/hostname |
| 12:59.15 | leikh | fireball: right |
| 12:59.34 | petemc | tomas_: /etc/hosts |
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| 12:59.41 | jm_ | tomas_: what makes you think hostname will help with this? man hosts |
| 12:59.45 | d4t2ilL4 | how long you think it would take to compile 2.6.15.4 ? |
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| 13:00.02 | bony | TBBle: yes now i can see all the info |
| 13:00.32 | TBBle | bony: Then something in your boot scripts is putting all that nonsense back in your iptables. |
| 13:00.37 | d4t2ilL4 | tomas_ vi /etc/hosts |
| 13:01.11 | bony | TBBle: ok so i need to check the boot scripts |
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| 13:02.00 | bony | i am off |
| 13:02.09 | TBBle | bony: OK. |
| 13:02.38 | bony | TBBle: will you be available tommorow |
| 13:02.51 | TuX_BuBling | does someone has a clue on why i can't make md drivers and ide drivers compiled inside the kernel, and i must use them as modules in initrd to make my machine boot? |
| 13:02.59 | TBBle | bony: Unlikely, but possible. |
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| 13:03.11 | TBBle | bony: Hopefully someone else here will be able to help further thought. |
| 13:03.13 | TBBle | though. |
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| 13:04.36 | bony | TBBle: thanks for helping me so forth i will continue working toward's it cause i simply can't work on the text terminal |
| 13:04.46 | bony | TBBle: bye |
| 13:04.54 | supaman | hi, when I try to run cupsdconf (as root or normal user, doesnt matter) then I get the following message: Unable to retrieve configuration file from the CUPS server. You probably don't have the access permissions to perform this operation. |
| 13:05.08 | supaman | anyone that can help me find out what is wrong here? |
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| 13:06.24 | wols | TuX_BuBling: that doesn't make sense |
| 13:06.30 | wols | TuX_BuBling: which ide drivers? |
| 13:07.17 | jm_ | supaman: logfiles |
| 13:07.50 | supaman | jm_: umm, nothing in the cups error.log file |
| 13:08.24 | jm_ | supaman: and access.log? |
| 13:08.37 | jm_ | or access_log maybe |
| 13:08.46 | supaman | there is no such file in the /var/log/cups dir |
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| 13:09.16 | supaman | jm_: there is only the error.log file |
| 13:09.43 | jack_c | hello, i have a computer running debian, and i want to install it on another hdd (empty hdd) only problem is that i have no cdrom/floppy is it posible to install linxu there ? |
| 13:10.03 | jm_ | supaman: that can't be - if you get access denied, it also has to log this to access_log file |
| 13:10.17 | jm_ | jack_c: yes |
| 13:10.22 | supaman | jm_: ls /var/log/cups/ .. error_log error_log.1.gz |
| 13:10.28 | TuX_BuBling | wols TuX_BuBling: which ide drivers? << the one for my controler :) |
| 13:10.36 | jm_ | supaman: it creates both just fine for me |
| 13:10.51 | jack_c | jm_: can you help me with a link or something... i can't find anything about this |
| 13:10.51 | supaman | jm_: well, not for me |
| 13:10.53 | Shadur | supaman: This may sound crazy, but have you looked at error_log to see if it has something to say that might be relevant? |
| 13:11.09 | jm_ | jack_c: Debian's installation guide explains how to install Debian from another Linux system |
| 13:11.26 | jm_ | supaman: does it update error_log then? |
| 13:11.39 | supaman | Shadur: I had a look through it yes, didnt find anything that corresponded to my trying to open up cupsdconf |
| 13:11.43 | henk | I have a box listening with IP 1.1.1.1 on eth0. it has two other nics (eth1 and eth2). I want connections from 2.2.2.2 to 1.1.1.1 to be routed to eth1 and connections from 3.3.3.3 to 1.1.1.1 to be routed on eth2.. finaly i want all other connections to 1.1.1.1 to be handeled localy by the server itself. How should i do that ? |
| 13:12.01 | TuX_BuBling | i know that doesn't make sense, but i cannot have them builtin, i must have them in modules, either reiserfs support must be in modules.... is there a tricky way debian is detecting raid arrays?? |
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| 13:13.00 | supaman | jm_: the last update to error_log was 1 hour and 12 minutes ago ... I tried to open the cupsdconf program just a few minutes ago so it didnt put anything in the error_log for that action |
| 13:13.39 | weary | how can i set gcc34 as my default compiler? (gcc now points to gcc-4.0, i'd like to use gcc-3.4) |
| 13:13.41 | jm_ | supaman: then it might make sense to debug cupsdconf, is it even connecting to the same host? |
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| 13:14.14 | supaman | jm_: its a workstation so everything is on the same computer |
| 13:14.46 | supaman | jm_: and I havent changed the config file for cups at all ... its the default from the package (just reinstalled it yesterday) |
| 13:15.02 | jm_ | supaman: also verify AccessLog setting in cupsd.conf |
| 13:15.02 | supaman | jm_: and Im running unstable |
| 13:15.15 | jm_ | i.e. it can also log via syslog |
| 13:15.44 | jm_ | supaman: well then I can't help you, I use Sarge and it works fine for me (CUPS mind you, not using KDE) |
| 13:15.47 | supaman | mmm ... AccessLog is uncommented: #AccessLog /var/log/cups/access_log |
| 13:15.55 | jm_ | that means it should use the default |
| 13:16.00 | TuX_BuBling | wols, if i make fs, ide controler, md raid drivers builtin, when booting system don't find good superblock on device Oo |
| 13:16.05 | supaman | jm_: exactly .. |
| 13:16.25 | supaman | jm_: and the default is ??? ... cups/access_log or syslog? |
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| 13:16.36 | jm_ | supaman: config file mentiones it |
| 13:17.03 | supaman | jm_: it says /var/log/cups/access_log ... |
| 13:17.14 | jm_ | supaman: yes, I know |
| 13:17.29 | int31h | anyone who could install de Nvidia oficial drivers in a 2.6.8-2-k6 for a XFX5200? |
| 13:17.33 | supaman | weee ... we both know now :) |
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| 13:18.22 | Reilithion | Okay, things are behaving better now. What command can I use to find out what programs are listening on what ports? |
| 13:18.36 | streuner | netstat |
| 13:18.37 | supaman | Reilithion: netstat or nmap |
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| 13:20.24 | jm_ | ~tell Reilithion -about open ports |
| 13:20.43 | Reilithion | thanks |
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| 13:22.29 | Knight_Lord | Reilithion lsof also works |
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| 13:27.00 | bkankur | where i can find the deb for zlib-1.2.3-devel.. please |
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| 13:27.10 | azeem | bkankur: zlib1g-dev I think |
| 13:27.14 | jm_ | bkankur: package has a different name |
| 13:27.17 | azeem | bkankur: pdo.debian.net has a search facility |
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| 13:27.46 | mxn | Hi. I was wondering how fonts are set for applications like firefox and gdm? (They're too small at the moment.) |
| 13:27.47 | univx | hi all |
| 13:28.07 | jm_ | mxn: is your DPI set correctly? |
| 13:28.11 | univx | have you debian repository to download amsn |
| 13:28.12 | univx | ?? |
| 13:28.19 | amee2k | (bash) how can i case-style match a string with 'if' ? |
| 13:28.32 | univx | i have sarge stable 3.1 |
| 13:28.37 | mxn | jm_: I feared this might be a DPI issue. Is that established by X? (My server's xorg at the mo.) |
| 13:28.46 | piaf_ | hi there |
| 13:28.59 | supaman | univx: its not in your repository? its in mine (Im using unstable) |
| 13:29.29 | jm_ | amee2k: read about Parameter Expansion |
| 13:29.31 | piaf_ | why do I get an error 500 when trying to update my sources ? |
| 13:29.34 | piaf_ | (sid) |
| 13:30.05 | jm_ | mxn: yes, xdpyinfo will tell you what it's set to |
| 13:30.21 | piaf_ | Err http://ftp.debian.org stable/main Packages |
| 13:30.21 | piaf_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.27 | Reilithion | Hey! Yay! Port-forwarding is making my applications happy! Thanks guys! |
| 13:30.28 | mxn | jm_: Thanks. |
| 13:30.48 | piaf_ | nota : I'm downgrading my sid |
| 13:30.48 | univx | can supaman do a link to search debian repository for stable |
| 13:31.17 | weary | is there a debian version of gcc-config? a tool to select a compiler? |
| 13:31.27 | jm_ | univx: read the topic |
| 13:31.29 | supaman | univx: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 13:31.33 | univx | ok |
| 13:31.35 | univx | thanks |
| 13:31.39 | mxn | jm_: Reports 75x75 (odd?) - all fonts look OK except those in certain applications (gtk2 apps like gaim, xchat are fine). |
| 13:32.18 | jm_ | mxn: 75 is a bit low, which apps are problematic then? |
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| 13:33.03 | piaf_ | ok that work only with ftp |
| 13:33.04 | piaf_ | :) |
| 13:33.14 | mxn | jm_: gdm, firefox...wonder if I can find others. :-) |
| 13:33.20 | mxn | (Would help if I knew what method of drawing they used.) |
| 13:33.23 | jm_ | mxn: firefox menus or? |
| 13:33.42 | mxn | jm_: Correct, yes. (I sorted out the problem of actual website fonts by changing firefox prefs.) |
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| 13:35.27 | jm_ | mxn: hmm firefox is GTk2 app, it uses the same fotn as Sylpheed for me, or gkrellm |
| 13:36.07 | mxn | jm_: Weird. All my other gtk2 apps are fine. (I set it using ~/.gtkrc-2.0) |
| 13:36.31 | jm_ | mxn: yeah, same here by the means of gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 13:36.37 | mxn | Yep. |
| 13:36.57 | Coweater | mxn: gdm is going to use the system's font or what's setup in gdmsetup |
| 13:37.06 | bkankur | can i submit same problem in 2 different debian mailing list |
| 13:37.27 | jm_ | mxn: anyway, you could try setting dimensions for your monitor properly and then it should report the right DPI, see if that helps |
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| 13:38.07 | mxn | Coweater: Yeah, it says GTK+ greeter (indeed, gdmsetup looks fine - it's just gdm's menus). |
| 13:38.36 | jm_ | mxn: gdm also depends on GTK2 ;) |
| 13:38.39 | mxn | jm_: Thanks - I'll have to try that later, gotta pop out. |
| 13:39.29 | univx | bye |
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| 13:48.59 | wolfgang | hi, what is the kernel version of testing? I want to install truecrypt and it requires 2.6.something.. |
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| 13:49.21 | Reilithion | I'm running 2.6.15 in testing |
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| 13:49.24 | supaman | wolfgang: well, its at least 2.6 ... |
| 13:49.39 | supaman | 2.6.what I dont know |
| 13:49.44 | wols | wolfgang: sarge runs 2.6.8 as well |
| 13:51.10 | wolfgang | thx! so I don't have to switch to testing to run 2.6.8 (currently running sarge) |
| 13:51.55 | blakkino | hi |
| 13:52.05 | blakkino | can someone provide me some dns servers? |
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| 13:53.21 | stew | wolfgang: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 13:53.30 | stew | blakkino: your isp should provide you with dns serves |
| 13:53.34 | stew | servers* |
| 13:53.47 | wolfgang | ok so I guess I'll have to find out how to upgrade the kernel instead (installed debian for the first time on Sunday, and don't have much Linux experience..) |
| 13:53.58 | stew | !test |
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| 13:54.25 | kimo__ | I loop mounted debian CDs, can I launch installation manually ? |
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| 13:55.09 | stew | @debootstrap |
| 13:55.10 | ravenbird | <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 13:55.14 | stew | kimo__: ^^^ |
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| 13:55.59 | kimo__ | stew: thanks :) debootstrap has been failing with me 3 times today |
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| 13:56.06 | blakkino | stew, i don't trust my isp dns servers :) |
| 13:56.32 | stew | blakkino: but you'd blindly trust some random dude on irc? |
| 13:56.48 | stew | kimo__: what version of debootstrap and which version of debian are you trying to bootstrap? |
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| 13:57.13 | stew | vin`! |
| 13:57.24 | stew | dondelelcaro: dpkg seems to be sleeping |
| 13:57.49 | Reilithion | Yeah, it's cute |
| 13:57.58 | kimo__ | stew: trying sid, not sure which version of debootstrap |
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| 13:58.43 | stew | kimo__: you'll need sid's debootstrap then. you can fetch it from http://pdo.debian.net/debootstrap it's just a shell script, so it will install cleanly on an older version of debian |
| 13:59.19 | kimo__ | stew: great, just a script :) my host system is suse10 BTW |
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| 14:01.45 | stew | kimo__: that's fine, the debootstrap source is available from the same page, just make sure you get the newest. there have been major changes in the install process recently which is why you need the latest unless you are bootstrapping unstable |
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| 14:03.43 | kimo__ | I am bootstrapping unstable (sid)! |
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| 14:05.46 | mr_claus_ | i'm looking for a file explorer which looks like the M$ one because it's easier to migrate users from M$ to linux, i tried xfe but this is not possible with UTF-8 |
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| 14:06.36 | jebstark_ | hello. I'm trying to install Debian/Sarge on a computer and have made it bootable from the cdrom via BIOS - but when I try to boot I get the following message: "Operative System not found" - that's means that cdrom isn't bootable?! I have tried to make changes to the BIOS but everything seem to be alright, but still I can't boot.... |
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| 14:06.59 | phyrster | is there a nice time management application under debian? |
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| 14:07.08 | setuid | How do I revert to a previous version of a package? |
| 14:07.17 | jm_ | jebstark_: you could try SBM |
| 14:07.20 | phyrster | I found taglog via apt search but it is not to my taste. |
| 14:07.23 | jm_ | setuid: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 14:07.44 | phyrster | setuid: purge the pkg and install the old one? |
| 14:07.55 | setuid | phyrster: Its hal |
| 14:08.08 | setuid | jm_: dpkg seems down |
| 14:08.14 | jm_ | setuid: use apt then |
| 14:08.26 | setuid | ditto |
| 14:08.28 | bkankur | any material how to use module-init-tools pls |
| 14:08.29 | setuid | both bots down? |
| 14:08.31 | stew | @sdn |
| 14:08.32 | ravenbird | sdn is probably go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages |
| 14:08.42 | jm_ | maybe apt doesn't know about sdn |
| 14:08.44 | blakkino | stew.. i'l use the root servers.. |
| 14:08.45 | setuid | oh that... I'd need something similar for (yes, I know), Ubuntu |
| 14:08.45 | blakkino | O_o |
| 14:08.48 | jm_ | actually no it does work just fine |
| 14:08.49 | jebstark_ | jm: alright, will do |
| 14:08.56 | blakkino | (maybe this solution _should not_ be used) |
| 14:09.20 | stew | blakkino: you could install your own caching nameserver |
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| 14:09.29 | blakkino | yep i have done |
| 14:09.38 | stew | blakkino: then why do you need another nameserver? |
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| 14:10.05 | tyler_ | i wanna get my all-in-one machine to work, how can i do that? its a brother mfc 5200c? |
| 14:10.06 | Reilithion | phyrster, have you tried planner? |
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| 14:10.30 | phyrster | Reilithion: let me try it. hope it is in the debian's repository |
| 14:10.31 | setuid | phyrster: Removing hal want to remove 108 other packages |
| 14:11.12 | jm_ | phyrster: I used xdiary for a while (not packaged) |
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| 14:11.38 | Reilithion | phyrster, planner is under the gnome packages |
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| 14:11.58 | stew | setuid: if you are running ubuntu, your questions are not appropriate here, please ask in #ubuntu |
| 14:12.01 | phyrster | setuid: I am not sure, but you can try this command: wajig listfiles hal|xargs rm |
| 14:12.07 | sh | hello all |
| 14:12.09 | jm_ | if you're looking for a reminder app, then remind and/or tkremind is what I use |
| 14:12.23 | stew | phyrster: huh!?! |
| 14:12.26 | phyrster | setuid: basically, wajig list the files that belong to hal and then you can delete them |
| 14:12.29 | setuid | stew: Its generic to debian |
| 14:12.35 | stew | setuid: doens't matter. |
| 14:12.40 | stew | setuid: i woudn't take phyrster advice on that one |
| 14:12.56 | setuid | stew: Since when are Debian-generic questions off-topic in #debian? |
| 14:12.57 | sh | could anybody point me to some kind of tutorial where I can learn more about templates and config-files inside the debian-folder? |
| 14:13.06 | setuid | stew: Read my original question |
| 14:13.46 | stew | setuid: for as long as i've been here, so at least 4 or 5 years |
| 14:13.52 | phyrster | stew: you are right. that commands also deleted system dirs |
| 14:14.07 | setuid | stew: So what questions ARE on topic here, if not Debian? |
| 14:14.08 | stew | phyrster: its a bad idea to just delete package files to get around a dependency you don't like |
| 14:14.17 | stew | setuid: just questions related to debian |
| 14:14.26 | phyrster | setuid: I am sure there is a force option |
| 14:14.28 | setuid | stew: Right, so again, read my question above |
| 14:14.29 | stew | setuid: check the channel /topic |
| 14:14.35 | stew | setuid: you are running ubuntu |
| 14:15.03 | setuid | stew: Again, read my question above... the original question. Has *NOTHING* to do with Ubuntu. I know the rules, I've been here for over a decade on this network, I know the drill. |
| 14:15.36 | octopod | i have a debian vps I want to create a clone of locally for testing, is there an easy way to install all the packages on the local machine that I have on the remote one? |
| 14:15.46 | jm_ | octopod: yes |
| 14:15.47 | setuid | octopod: rsync? |
| 14:16.22 | stew | octopod: /msg ravenbird selections |
| 14:16.36 | jm_ | or /msg apt package reselect |
| 14:16.45 | octopod | thanks |
| 14:16.49 | stew | octopod: err, no ravenbird doesn't have that one |
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| 14:17.07 | xoz | apt: where are you? |
| 14:17.09 | apt | I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W |
| 14:17.33 | stew | octopod: http://dpkg.vireo.org/ffs+copy |
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| 14:17.52 | octopod | thanks guys |
| 14:18.28 | phyrster | Reilithion: jm_ do you guys know a console based time manager? |
| 14:18.43 | jm_ | phyrster: yes |
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| 14:19.07 | Reilithion | phyrster, closest thing I can think of is tdl |
| 14:19.12 | Reilithion | a to-do list |
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| 14:20.01 | phyrster | Reilithion: thanks. let me try it |
| 14:20.02 | kspath | there is a time-tracker for people working on billable projects and such |
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| 14:20.32 | jm_ | Etch/sid have wyrd |
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| 14:21.29 | Reilithion | jm_, well, wyrd is technically not console, since it uses ncurses |
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| 14:21.41 | jm_ | Reilithion: your point being? |
| 14:21.42 | Reilithion | that makes it menu-based |
| 14:21.46 | kspath | how is ncurses not console? |
| 14:22.06 | Reilithion | *shrugs* menu-based vs. command-based, in my mind. |
| 14:22.27 | kspath | you meant to say that ncurses means menu based as opposed to command line? |
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| 14:22.47 | borco | hi |
| 14:22.52 | kspath | lo |
| 14:22.54 | phyrster | kartik_: what program do you recommend? |
| 14:22.55 | Reilithion | I should know to be more accurate with my terminology around you guys. => |
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| 14:23.49 | Tiboz | hey all |
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| 14:24.03 | Jan86 | will the network install work if I have an onboard network card ? |
| 14:24.03 | Reilithion | greetz, Tiboz |
| 14:24.06 | Tiboz | anyone has an idea how to launch a screen from crontab ? |
| 14:24.11 | jm_ | Jan86: it will if it's supported |
| 14:24.26 | Tiboz | I have the error message Must be connected to a terminal. |
| 14:24.31 | Tiboz | when I try to do so |
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| 14:25.17 | ly | sorry |
| 14:25.29 | Jan86 | how do I know my network adapter is supported ? |
| 14:25.39 | mr_coco_pops | mmm....810 people...hope i get a response..... |
| 14:25.43 | kspath | when it works? |
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| 14:25.59 | Jan86 | well I wannna know if it will before I install... |
| 14:26.06 | mr_coco_pops | my question is about fam: do i really need it? It keeps on hanging my machine and i have to restart it |
| 14:26.11 | ly | good |
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| 14:26.13 | mr_coco_pops | I use debian testing |
| 14:26.21 | jm_ | find out which NIC it is, or better yet, its PCI ID |
| 14:26.27 | Tiboz | someone has any idea ? |
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| 14:26.30 | xoz | mr_coco_pops: no. disable it. |
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| 14:26.34 | cheal | mr_coco_pops: if you can uninstall it, you don't need it |
| 14:26.45 | mr_coco_pops | shew |
| 14:26.48 | mr_coco_pops | thanks guys |
| 14:26.56 | mr_coco_pops | @$@$@ fam is ruining my linux machine |
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| 14:26.57 | ravenbird | okay, mr_coco_pops |
| 14:27.01 | mr_coco_pops | :] |
| 14:27.05 | jm_ | quality |
| 14:27.11 | stew | @forget $@$@ fam |
| 14:27.11 | ravenbird | stew: i forgot $@$@ fam |
| 14:27.12 | xoz | forget fam |
| 14:27.16 | xoz | heh |
| 14:27.23 | borco | offtopic: anybody knows a chatroom where I can ask questions about audio stuff? like what is the difference between a 'loudspeaker' and a 'monitor'? |
| 14:27.56 | nvz | I just came home and my machine was at the login screen when I left last night it was on my screen session.. I found out from checking uptime that apperently my machine rebooted about 2 hours ago. I wonder wtf windows users who dont have access to their uptime counter do |
| 14:28.08 | xoz | #idiot-proof channel |
| 14:28.19 | phyrster | Reilithion: jm_ I am sure in debian's repository there are much more such applications. How to get a list of them all? |
| 14:28.19 | mr_coco_pops | damn, now i want to know whats the difference between a 'loudspeaker' and a 'monitor'? |
| 14:28.26 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 14:28.27 | stew | borco: i dunno. but a monotir is usually made to be listened in the nearfield, like a studio monitor will be tuned so that it sounds good whne you are sitting right next to the monitors, whereas a loudspearker is mant to be heard from farther away |
| 14:28.30 | ly | hello |
| 14:28.32 | abrotman | bah .. dead again |
| 14:28.36 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: badgers!!! |
| 14:28.37 | mr_coco_pops | synaptic phyrster |
| 14:28.39 | phyrster | I tried search time|grep management, but the list is limited. |
| 14:28.50 | fireba11 | nvz windows got uptime too :-D |
| 14:29.04 | phyrster | mr_coco_pops: I use wajig, don't want to install synaptic |
| 14:29.06 | ly | hello |
| 14:29.27 | nvz | mr_coco_pops: a monitor is a speaker for monitoring output of a channel like the ones performers have aimed back at them at rock shows, and a loudspeaker is a coneshaped directional speaker |
| 14:29.36 | nvz | fireba11: as in an uptime command? |
| 14:29.41 | mr_coco_pops | ty nvz |
| 14:29.54 | nvz | I know it has an uptime counter, just didnt think there was a userland way of checking it |
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| 14:30.16 | borco | stew, I want to buy something that can be used mostly as speakers for my pc. should I go for a monitor? they are mostly in the same price range ... |
| 14:30.22 | fireba11 | nvz think there is some command ... at least its readable from several tools |
| 14:30.51 | Reilithion | phyrster, a list of all tdl and time-management packages? I don't know of any easy way to list them all |
| 14:30.53 | borco | stew, do you know where can I find more info on this subject? |
| 14:31.02 | nvz | borco: you would hear nothing if you hooked a monitor to your pc |
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| 14:31.10 | stew | nvz: why wouldn't he? |
| 14:31.21 | jm_ | nvz: net can show it IIRC |
| 14:31.24 | stew | borco: monitors would be appropriate there, just make sure they are self powered |
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| 14:31.31 | nvz | he would need aplification a little thing called impedence |
| 14:31.51 | stew | nvz: many monitors are self powered and 6-8 ohms |
| 14:32.14 | nvz | stew: I suppose though I've never seen one |
| 14:32.17 | stew | nvz: i work for an audio company where every pc has self powered studio monitors |
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| 14:33.13 | nvz | mr_coco_pops: I retract my statement |
| 14:33.24 | Reilithion | phyrster, it might not be what you're after, but try the mrproject package |
| 14:33.34 | meneg | hi, on sid if I disconnect the usb mouse from the pc in wont reconnect on xorg, any idea? |
| 14:33.44 | borco | stew, nvz, the monitor is http://www.empiremedia.it/prodotto.asp?idprodotto=142 and the speaker is http://www.empiremedia.it/prodotto.asp?idprodotto=140 |
| 14:34.03 | borco | stew, do you know anything about this company? |
| 14:34.06 | nvz | to clearify a loudspeaker is a speaker, there are many classifications of such |
| 14:34.07 | phyrster | Reilithion: thank you very much |
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| 14:34.51 | vin` | to clarify it's clarify. |
| 14:35.00 | Reilithion | lol |
| 14:35.59 | nvz | http://www.pittsburghese.com |
| 14:36.05 | bartden | hi, howcome i cant select SMB windows share in The Printing configuration of kde |
| 14:36.05 | nvz | I am a yinzer you are wasting your time |
| 14:36.07 | stew | borco: i don't know anything about that company |
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| 14:36.29 | vin` | nvz: you've certainly improved. |
| 14:36.38 | mr_coco_pops | bartden: more of a kde question but do you have smb installed on your machine? Can you browse using smb4k? |
| 14:37.00 | rash- | i have installed rt2500 module for wireless but don't work |
| 14:37.03 | nvz | vin`: what are you talking about? |
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| 14:37.29 | mr_coco_pops | touch more info please rash- |
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| 14:37.55 | vin` | rash-: it freezes when you modprobe it? |
| 14:37.58 | rash- | mr_coco_pops, on a knoppix it work with this module but in debian no |
| 14:37.59 | borco | stew, can you pls take a look at those speakers and tell how the specks look to you? should I consider them? from the point of view of price, they're ok. and I don't need anything more than 2.0 ... |
| 14:38.03 | bartden | mr_coco_pops, i have samba installed, cups also , and i can brose to my windows share using konqueror |
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| 14:38.29 | mr_coco_pops | kde version bartden ? |
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| 14:39.35 | nvz | isnt it coca puffs, not coco pops.. the cereal that is |
| 14:39.50 | bartden | mr_coco_pops, 3.5.1 |
| 14:40.10 | rash- | vin`, excuse me i can speak only some english. can u help me? |
| 14:40.15 | mr_coco_pops | in my country, its coco pops :] |
| 14:40.20 | smhar | why can't I /msg dpkg? |
| 14:40.22 | mr_coco_pops | i'm not a puff thankyouverymuch |
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| 14:40.30 | jm_ | smhar: dpkg is having issues now |
| 14:40.40 | yassine | hello everyone! |
| 14:40.41 | jm_ | you can msg, but it doesn't reply ... |
| 14:40.49 | smhar | jm_ is he sick? :-) |
| 14:40.51 | Reilithion | welcome, yassine |
| 14:40.54 | jm_ | smhar: looks like it |
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| 14:41.11 | nvz | I could be mistaken, but I swear that cartton character whatever he is, always says "I'm coo-coo for coca puffs" |
| 14:41.18 | vin` | rash-: what happens when you load the modules? errors? |
| 14:41.21 | Reilithion | smhar, we don't know if dpkg is sick, or if zie's just sleeping. |
| 14:41.34 | mr_coco_pops | to be honest bartden, i have had that same problem - the samba option is greyed out right? - and i just can't remember the actual steps to reproduce it - i'm sure i installed/re-installed samba to get it. Do you also have smbclient and just about anything related to smb? |
| 14:41.39 | nvz | I've never bought or eaten it so I dont really know |
| 14:41.42 | smhar | we miss you dpkg |
| 14:41.42 | rash- | vin`, no. |
| 14:41.51 | nvz | dpkg, hello |
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| 14:42.11 | mr_coco_pops | nvz: is it a monkey character? |
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| 14:42.12 | xoz | !fire |
| 14:42.19 | pzn | Hi! I need a help with mrtg (debian stable version). http://pastebin.com/576707 the problem is in a target configuration. if you can help, please goto the url. thanks in advance. |
| 14:42.22 | dannyp | nvz: I'm sure it's not coca |
| 14:42.23 | rash- | vin`, on a knoppix it work with this module (rt2500) but in debian no |
| 14:42.26 | dannyp | cocoa maybe |
| 14:42.29 | dannyp | there's a slight difference |
| 14:42.39 | stew | borco: there isn't much in the way of specs there and i don't now italian |
| 14:42.42 | nvz | that computer don has that on must be a real POS its not like a blootbot is really that intensive of a service |
| 14:42.55 | vin` | rash-: how do you know it doesn't work? how are you testing it? |
| 14:43.05 | nvz | of course I dont know what _else_ he has that machine doing either |
| 14:43.15 | mr_coco_pops | yes rash- - what messages are you getting? What does dmesg say? |
| 14:43.33 | jm_ | shma;ask other bots? |
| 14:43.37 | nvz | dannyp: yeah that sounds about right |
| 14:43.47 | Reilithion | nvz, you must also consider how long it's been up since the last reboot |
| 14:43.48 | jm_ | smhar: you can ask other bots if they know |
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| 14:44.03 | vin` | rash-: ah, are you trying to compile the rt2500 module? |
| 14:44.03 | rash- | it isn't recognized |
| 14:44.08 | kspath | smhar: We are all bots here. |
| 14:44.11 | nvz | mr_coco_pops: no its a bird of some kind I think |
| 14:44.14 | borco | stew, there is an english version, but I guess it uses a cookie that's set when you enter the site through http://www.empiremedia.it/index.asp |
| 14:44.15 | kspath | smhar: just kidding |
| 14:44.17 | nvz | Reilithion: a few hours? |
| 14:44.22 | mr_coco_pops | well dude nvz, thats not me |
| 14:44.27 | jm_ | pzn: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:44.30 | rash- | vin`, yes |
| 14:44.35 | nvz | Reilithion: it was gone most the weekend. it came back yesturday sometime |
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| 14:44.39 | dimir | RE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111 |
| 14:44.43 | mr_coco_pops | coco pops: http://www.britsuperstore.com/acatalog/Kelloggs_Coco_Pops_375g.jpg |
| 14:44.46 | mr_coco_pops | :] |
| 14:44.47 | nvz | mr_coco_pops: I guess not |
| 14:45.00 | Reilithion | news to me. Well, there's no accounting for logic, I guess. |
| 14:45.10 | borco | stew, the site is a bit linux unfriendly and sparse, at the same time - i agree ... |
| 14:45.27 | nvz | mr_coco_pops: ah, Cocoa Puffs is the General Mills one I see.. I didnt know there was Cocoa Puffs, and Coco Pops. |
| 14:45.40 | vin` | rash-: looked here? http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/ if the stable release doesn't work, try a cvs nightly build, it's still very buggy, I couldn't get it to work. |
| 14:45.42 | pzn | jm_, trying to draw ram and swap usage on the same graph |
| 14:45.46 | rash- | in knoppix i install the module with modconf and then my pen is recognized so i can configure it |
| 14:46.10 | jm_ | pzn: ahh I just used cfgmaker to monitor network graphs, I use munin now, much simpler, highly recommended |
| 14:46.13 | Reilithion | Isn't General Mills the company that's started putting "Whole Grain" on all its cereals when all it did was add about a teaspoon of whole grain flour? |
| 14:46.16 | vin` | for a pen? |
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| 14:46.46 | kimo__ | stew: thnx got debootstrap working :) |
| 14:46.51 | nvz | Reilithion: did they at least add it to the cereal? heh |
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| 14:47.04 | vin` | rash-: I might be just confused, ignore me. :) |
| 14:47.11 | pzn | jm_, what is munin? is it a cfgtool for mrtg? |
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| 14:47.22 | Reilithion | nvz, nah, they sprinkled it over the Nutrition Facts labels. |
| 14:47.28 | jm_ | pzn: no, it's a better mrtg if you want - apt-cache show munin |
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| 14:47.35 | nvz | hehe |
| 14:47.39 | rash- | vin`, don't worry. :) thx |
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| 14:48.22 | fireba11 | jm_ sad though i couldn't find munin packages for redhat and suse |
| 14:48.44 | jm_ | fireba11: tarball in /opt or /usr/local shall do |
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| 14:49.13 | fireba11 | jm_ probably .. am trying tight now :-) |
| 14:49.24 | fireba11 | right even |
| 14:49.50 | dimir | !ping |
| 14:50.18 | dimir | dpkg: pinng |
| 14:50.27 | stew | borco: you might try /msg chanserv list #*audio* |
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| 14:50.34 | Kiowas | hello |
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| 14:50.37 | dimir | dpkg is dead or something? |
| 14:50.45 | vin` | dimir: MIA |
| 14:50.46 | Reilithion | dimir, dpkg is ill. :-( |
| 14:50.47 | borco | stew, thanx. i'll try |
| 14:50.52 | Kiowas | anyone know if there is a reliable way to watch flash animations? |
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| 14:51.25 | vin` | Kiowas: depends on how much you are willing to stretch 'reliable'. |
| 14:51.33 | mr_coco_pops | in your browser Kiowas ? |
| 14:51.35 | Reilithion | lol @ vin` |
| 14:51.38 | nvz | Kiowas: hahah.. watch em do what? freeze up your pc? |
| 14:51.49 | phyrster | Reilithion: what does gantt chart mean in planner? |
| 14:51.50 | Kiowas | vin`, well, the two alternatives I tried were unable to play anything |
| 14:52.00 | vin` | Kiowas: what did you try? |
| 14:52.26 | mr_coco_pops | Ooo phyrster - gantt charts are cool! |
| 14:52.35 | mr_coco_pops | thats the whole point of planner and the like |
| 14:52.42 | mr_coco_pops | have you tried ganttproejct though? |
| 14:52.43 | vin` | phyrster: you get your tasks displayed as connected boxes with a timeline. |
| 14:52.43 | Kiowas | vin`, swf-player and libflash-mozplugin |
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| 14:53.05 | Reilithion | phyrster, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gantt_chart |
| 14:54.27 | mr_coco_pops | what do you mean by reliably then Kiowas - mozilla works for me |
| 14:54.34 | Fox | ganttproject.sf.net |
| 14:54.51 | mr_coco_pops | thanks Fox - quite a good program that is |
| 14:55.07 | Kiowas | mr_coco_pops, I mean that it will actually play something instead of crashing or freezing the browser. |
| 14:55.11 | Fox | for sure, I use it everyday :) |
| 14:55.19 | mr_coco_pops | same here :) |
| 14:55.30 | mr_coco_pops | Kiowas: ah, yesm that could be a problem |
| 14:55.33 | mr_coco_pops | :] |
| 14:55.50 | mr_coco_pops | maybe there is something wrong with the actual flash movie |
| 14:55.56 | vin` | Kiowas: hmm, I don't have either of those installed, libswfdec0.3 maybe? |
| 14:56.02 | shining | maybe flash sucks |
| 14:56.07 | nvz | maybe? |
| 14:56.07 | mr_coco_pops | e.g. needs the latest version |
| 14:56.10 | nvz | are you on crack? |
| 14:56.11 | Kiowas | mr_coco_pops, nope, Ive tried it on several |
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| 14:56.16 | mr_coco_pops | which AFAIK, linux doesn't have |
| 14:56.18 | mr_coco_pops | oh ok |
| 14:56.24 | shining | :) |
| 14:56.31 | Reilithion | shining, maybe "maybe" is an insufficient modifier. |
| 14:56.38 | shining | yes I'm, and not only |
| 14:56.39 | vin` | works just fine, but pretty cpu intensive. |
| 14:57.06 | vin` | maybe it's my graphics chip. |
| 14:57.09 | nvz | at least in this country that catch phrase should be changed to what are you on herion? |
| 14:57.22 | nvz | cause herion is probably bigger now than crack ever was |
| 14:57.23 | vin` | herion? |
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| 14:57.44 | vin` | is that the yinzer term for heroin? /me hides |
| 14:57.48 | Reilithion | Sounds like a bird. |
| 14:57.53 | shining | heron |
| 14:57.56 | nvz | I got a distant cousin that is facing two counts of 1-25 over herion |
| 14:58.07 | nvz | heh |
| 14:58.13 | nvz | I keep typing it that way too |
| 14:58.16 | mr_coco_pops | herion is the one you have to inject right? |
| 14:58.24 | mr_coco_pops | (me too) |
| 14:58.30 | nvz | and the funny thing is thats a word I actually do know how to spell |
| 14:58.31 | kspath | does it not end in an e |
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| 14:58.32 | mr_coco_pops | (how do you spell it?) |
| 14:58.34 | Reilithion | No, herion is the one you have to run through a spell-checker |
| 14:58.48 | nvz | heh |
| 14:58.49 | mr_coco_pops | <comedic drum roll> for Reilithion |
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| 14:59.06 | fireba11 | jm_ hm .. denendencies not met for the rpm .. "%!"&"&/ |
| 14:59.14 | stew | mr_coco_pops: not necessarily though injecting is the most common use |
| 14:59.26 | zege | hi, has anyone an idea how to get a debian system on a ibm netvista2800 thinclient with CF instead of a harddisk? |
| 14:59.27 | mr_coco_pops | whats the one with the heated spoon? |
| 14:59.31 | shining | fireba11: sure you are in the correct chan? |
| 14:59.47 | shining | fireba11: it's #drugs here |
| 14:59.48 | fireba11 | shining: yes .. ^^ |
| 14:59.52 | mr_coco_pops | rpm??? |
| 14:59.52 | stew | mr_coco_pops: heroin |
| 14:59.54 | mr_coco_pops | :] |
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| 15:00.04 | kspath | heroin is the drug herione is something COMPLETELY different |
| 15:00.19 | yassine | heroin is a hell of a drug :D |
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| 15:01.00 | iNAP | hi.. i installed gnome, and everything is running, but for some reason i can't change the resolution.. when i installed, i chose 3 resolutions, and for some reason, when i go to Screen Resolution, i only get 640x420 or watever it is.. and its way too small.. so how can i change it? |
| 15:01.19 | shining | iNAP: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 15:01.24 | azeem | iNAP: what is your current resolution? |
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| 15:01.58 | iNAP | current is 640x480 |
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| 15:02.06 | lexter | hi! I updated my etch box yesterday. Now my menu.lst of grub got overwritten. Where is the Backup? There is no /boot/grub/menu.lst.apt or similar |
| 15:02.12 | azeem | iNAP: then dpkg-reconfigure is the way to go |
| 15:02.24 | xoz | lexter: locate menu.lst |
| 15:02.31 | azeem | iNAP: check your X log whether the others got dropped for some reason, maybe |
| 15:03.00 | mr_coco_pops | you're not using a laptop are you iNAP ? |
| 15:03.02 | xoz | lexter: or create one. info grub and look for the examples |
| 15:03.06 | iNAP | nope |
| 15:03.13 | drc | at least in X there are quick keys to change resolution to next, right? |
| 15:03.15 | mr_coco_pops | yeah lexter - its easy to create one |
| 15:03.20 | iNAP | so should i choose only the 1280x1240? which i wan to choose. |
| 15:03.28 | dark_light | anyone knows that virtual package that installs all stuff i need to develop on C? i think a friend of mine needs the glibc headers.. o.o to compile a kernel module |
| 15:03.31 | lexter | this is a very stupid idea. I had about twelve entries in it |
| 15:03.37 | azeem | iNAP: did you check the log? |
| 15:03.42 | mr_coco_pops | "should i choose the one I want to choose" |
| 15:03.44 | mr_coco_pops | :) |
| 15:03.47 | iNAP | xorg.0.log? |
| 15:03.49 | azeem | yes |
| 15:03.54 | iNAP | i have a link to it |
| 15:03.55 | iNAP | if you want |
| 15:03.57 | joseomar | I'd like to make a local mirror, but I don't know the source I should use. Can anybody give me some advice? |
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| 15:04.13 | azeem | iNAP: check it whether it mentions your resolution got removed or dropped |
| 15:04.13 | iNAP | http://pastebin.com/576181 |
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| 15:04.55 | stew | dark_light: install the build-essential packkage, if you want to compile a kernel module you'll need the kernel headers for the running kernel, what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:05.06 | lexter | bah.... i think i go and write a bugreport about this. Not nice to update packages and loosing changes. |
| 15:05.09 | vin` | joseomar: looked at reprepro? |
| 15:05.17 | abrotman | iNAP: apparently your monitor sucks .. did oyu specify those sync ranges? |
| 15:05.25 | Fox | iNAP: # |
| 15:05.27 | Fox | (II) NV(0): Not using mode "1280x1024" (no mode of this name) |
| 15:05.29 | Fox | oups |
| 15:05.30 | joseomar | I'd like to make a local mirror, but I don't know the source I should use. Can anybody give me some advice? |
| 15:05.37 | azeem | iNAP: what kind of monitor do you have? |
| 15:05.40 | iNAP | LCD |
| 15:05.45 | iNAP | NEC MultiSync LCD1700V |
| 15:05.46 | abrotman | (II) NV(0): NEC LCD1700V: Using default hsync range of 28.00-33.00 kHz |
| 15:05.47 | abrotman | (II) NV(0): NEC LCD1700V: Using default vrefresh range of 43.00-72.00 Hz |
| 15:05.47 | abrotman | (II) NV(0): Clock range: 12.00 to 400.00 MHz |
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| 15:06.15 | joseomar | reprepro? |
| 15:06.28 | azeem | iNAP: what refresh rates did you choose, if any? |
| 15:06.42 | iNAP | i didnt choose.. |
| 15:06.45 | dark_light | stew, i don't really know, but he is on 2.6.11 .. here is the msg: http://paste.ubuntubrasil.org/25 , obs: he is on ubuntu, not debian.. but i think the build-essential is what is missing |
| 15:06.55 | jetscreamer | la cucaracha, la cucaracha... pobre cucaracha no tinenes la camina. |
| 15:07.01 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 15:07.07 | nvz | reti: Konichiwa |
| 15:07.11 | nvz | er |
| 15:07.19 | joseomar | there you go!!!!! that I call Spanish....!!! |
| 15:07.28 | nvz | Reilithion: Konichiwa |
| 15:07.31 | Fox | jetscreamer: Ya no puede caminar :) |
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| 15:07.51 | Reilithion | Nihongo wo hanashaimasu ka? |
| 15:07.52 | jetscreamer | i have an excuse... /me gets out doctor's note |
| 15:08.06 | nvz | Reilithion: ok, konichiwa was the extent of my japanese |
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| 15:08.12 | nvz | and I didnt even know I knew that |
| 15:08.16 | Reilithion | heh |
| 15:08.18 | fireba11 | lol |
| 15:08.19 | jetscreamer | obrigato |
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| 15:08.33 | iNAP | azeem, you recommend reconfiguring the x-window thing? |
| 15:08.34 | xoz | hanashimasen. nihongo tabemasen. :) |
| 15:08.37 | paurullan | hi! genki desu ka? |
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| 15:08.44 | azeem | iNAP: well, I am not sure |
| 15:08.58 | Reilithion | genki. anata wa? |
| 15:08.59 | iNAP | i added to my xorg.conf |
| 15:09.01 | iNAP | the followin |
| 15:09.03 | kspath | !jp |
| 15:09.17 | abrotman | xoz: like you know any japanese .. yeesh |
| 15:09.24 | iNAP | HorizSync 30-80 |
| 15:09.24 | iNAP | VertRefresh 70-75 |
| 15:09.28 | iNAP | but that didnt help. |
| 15:09.35 | abrotman | no freaking kidding |
| 15:09.38 | xoz | abrotman: hehe. |
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| 15:09.47 | mr_coco_pops | iNAP: do you have a intel graphics card? maybe on your motherboard? |
| 15:09.50 | Reilithion | Hey. I know precisely enough Japanese to make a fool out of myself in any Japanese-speaking culture! |
| 15:09.56 | abrotman | mr_coco_pops: nvidia |
| 15:10.04 | nvz | iNAP: please dont do that. pasting is not welcome here, and that could have easily been formatted to one line |
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| 15:10.07 | iNAP | no.. im on amd64 and i have a gforce 6600 gt |
| 15:10.17 | iNAP | sorry nvz. |
| 15:10.36 | nvz | its ok, just dont want to see a big flood and you getting kicked over trying to get help |
| 15:10.49 | dark_light | stew, the "/usr/include/linux/config.h:5:2: error: #error Incorrectly using glibc headers f or a kernel module" error says that he is needing the glibc headers.. maybe build-essential package would install it, wouldn't? |
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| 15:11.11 | mr_coco_pops | oh, i was hoping you could use that tool which actually changes the video BIOS settings which linux can not sometimes 100% read - it was designed for intel chips, not sure about geforce |
| 15:11.18 | zege | hi can anyone help me with this tutorial http://silicon-verl.de/home/flo/software/minilinux/ ? |
| 15:11.24 | xoz | some japs advice us to say "nihonggo tabemasen" when any policeman stops you... translation: i don't eat japanese... then the policeman will just exempt you from traffic violation. |
| 15:11.40 | Reilithion | lol! |
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| 15:12.14 | nvz | all this time I have tried using my workspaces in reverse order when anytime I tell it to "insert new workspace" it will just pull unused ones from the end anyhow |
| 15:12.26 | abrotman | according to the manual .. it should do 1280*1024@75Hz |
| 15:12.33 | iNAP | yep.. |
| 15:12.33 | joseomar | I wanna create a f·"%&&/( local mirror, but I don't know how to |
| 15:12.49 | kspath | nvz: What if you do eat Japanese? |
| 15:12.54 | xoz | abrotman: he's using nvidia? maybe nv issues? |
| 15:13.09 | abrotman | xoz: i just can't imagine .. nvidia issues .. never .. can't be |
| 15:13.12 | jetscreamer | how many monitors on that 6600gt rig |
| 15:13.39 | d-f | Hi. Can anyone help me? I got no 3D Support for my ATI Radeon 7000 on Sarge. My XF86Config-4: http://paste.debian.net/4828 |
| 15:13.39 | jetscreamer | abrotman: just blame the admin |
| 15:13.45 | xoz | abrotman: or user issue : |
| 15:13.50 | nvz | japanese not only like fish which I do not, but they eat the fuckers raw.. I dont think we have any common tastes |
| 15:13.57 | iNAP | i didnt install any graphics driver first.. |
| 15:14.15 | shining | iNAP: it comes with X |
| 15:14.17 | iNAP | second.. i don't see a reason why that has anything to do with it |
| 15:14.21 | Ronin | nvz: sushi good :) |
| 15:14.22 | jetscreamer | how many monitors on that 6600gt rig |
| 15:14.27 | jetscreamer | iNAP: |
| 15:14.32 | iNAP | rig? |
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| 15:14.34 | shining | iNAP: well it controls the resolution |
| 15:14.42 | jetscreamer | the box... the computer... |
| 15:14.45 | iNAP | 1. |
| 15:14.46 | Reilithion | We once gave a Japanese student a chocolate bar, and he asked us if we were trying to kill him with something so sweet. |
| 15:14.49 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:15.03 | jetscreamer | does anybody know if hwinfo --monitor works with lcd? |
| 15:16.01 | kspath | jetscreamer: it give a res if that is what you meant |
| 15:16.01 | nvz | is are was were be being been? |
| 15:16.11 | kspath | am |
| 15:16.18 | nvz | ah |
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| 15:16.22 | jetscreamer | !auxillary verbs |
| 15:16.27 | nvz | I forgot that one |
| 15:16.28 | shining | jetscreamer: doesnt seem |
| 15:16.31 | jetscreamer | !auxillaryverbs |
| 15:16.35 | jetscreamer | dammit |
| 15:16.39 | nvz | dpkg is sick |
| 15:16.42 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 15:16.43 | Reilithion | jetscreamer, dpkg isn't feeling well. |
| 15:16.49 | kspath | I am , You,We,They are , It,He,She is ... |
| 15:16.56 | jetscreamer | i have that in a factoid |
| 15:16.57 | xoz | @whereis dpkg |
| 15:16.58 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 15:17.33 | jetscreamer | iNAP: what does hwinfo --monitor tell you, as root |
| 15:17.37 | iNAP | 1 sec. |
| 15:17.39 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: BADGERS! |
| 15:17.47 | Terat0gen | wolverines! |
| 15:17.47 | Reilithion | mushroom? |
| 15:17.48 | jetscreamer | it's not installed by default |
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| 15:18.11 | iNAP | command not found. |
| 15:18.12 | nvz | switches gears from latin to gospel, and queues some country |
| 15:18.14 | jetscreamer | ~lart somebody |
| 15:18.34 | jharrison | anyone ever seen "cannot open session" when trying to su to another user as root? |
| 15:18.47 | jetscreamer | when i first got here, apt was used, not dpkg |
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| 15:18.57 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: apt is still used, sometimes |
| 15:19.23 | oskude | hi, just installed debian 3.1 (stable) with gnome & co on my dell latitude c800 and theres something i/o'ing my HD, the hd-led flashes ever 1 second (even when im not doing anything) anyway i can track this down or is this known ? |
| 15:19.23 | jetscreamer | yes i just mean he was used like dpkg is used today.. by default. |
| 15:19.35 | kspath | hwinfo --monitor pukes on a multi-head |
| 15:19.39 | jharrison | jetscreamer: dpkg handles .debs and apt supervises operations |
| 15:19.43 | jetscreamer | he said only one |
| 15:19.45 | xoz | oskude: what filesystem? |
| 15:19.52 | oskude | xoz, ext3 |
| 15:19.52 | jetscreamer | jharrison: i mean the bots |
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| 15:20.04 | jharrison | jetscreamer: oh well of course |
| 15:20.08 | jetscreamer | but that's good to know i didn't know that kspath |
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| 15:20.30 | xoz | oskude: try noflushd |
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| 15:21.08 | sEbaKiLLeR | hi |
| 15:21.10 | xoz | oskude: and edit /etc/syslog.conf ... add - like, -/var/log/mail, etc |
| 15:21.38 | oskude | xoz, sry, but where should i try/use that "noflush" ? |
| 15:21.47 | iNAP | mm... |
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| 15:21.57 | xoz | oskude: apt-cache show noflushd |
| 15:22.05 | oskude | ah ok |
| 15:22.09 | lepton | oskude: atop might help id what is hitting the disk |
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| 15:22.25 | xoz | oskude: and check if you have some daemons running |
| 15:22.31 | jetscreamer | iNAP: you could try putting Option"ConnectedMonitor""LCD" in the device section of the driver(nv?) |
| 15:22.35 | lilgg | hello are there any mirror sites where i can download iso-cds/dvds for a powerpc? |
| 15:22.57 | oskude | fyi, on ubuntu i just stopped that "/usr/bin/hald..." process and it was away (but on debian there stills hd blinkg, but not so frequently) |
| 15:23.13 | oskude | im testing those tips |
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| 15:23.26 | iNAP | well im planning on installing the nvidia graphics driver anyway.. |
| 15:23.32 | iNAP | but should i put it anyway? |
| 15:23.59 | xoz | oskude: check lsof... to see what files are being updated... |
| 15:24.05 | jetscreamer | iNAP: you can try. probably wont help but who knows. |
| 15:24.13 | iNAP | bah. |
| 15:24.16 | jetscreamer | the inserting i mean |
| 15:24.20 | oskude | xoz, roger |
| 15:24.41 | jetscreamer | iNAP: so what did hwinfo --monitor tell you |
| 15:24.55 | iNAP | it tells me... |
| 15:24.59 | jetscreamer | the bottom |
| 15:25.03 | jetscreamer | the h & v rates |
| 15:25.26 | jetscreamer | do you have your xorg.conf pastebinned somewhere? |
| 15:25.29 | iNAP | command not found |
| 15:25.33 | iNAP | yes i do |
| 15:25.36 | jetscreamer | apt-get install hwinfo |
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| 15:25.40 | kspath | heheh |
| 15:25.43 | fireba11 | jetscreamer: "pastebinned" ^^ |
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| 15:26.20 | iNAP | http://pastebin.com/576182 - xorg.conf |
| 15:26.44 | iNAP | ok i installed it |
| 15:26.45 | iNAP | and did hwinfo --monitor |
| 15:26.46 | kspath | jetscreamer: FYI hwinfo --monitor pukes on a multi-head Just in case it comes up in future. |
| 15:26.54 | iNAP | and got a lot of white blank lines |
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| 15:27.15 | jetscreamer | comment out dri for one in xorg.conf |
| 15:27.20 | iNAP | ok |
| 15:27.22 | jetscreamer | iNAP: you ran that as sudo? |
| 15:27.25 | jetscreamer | err root? |
| 15:27.32 | iNAP | yep |
| 15:27.40 | jetscreamer | weee-urd |
| 15:27.51 | jetscreamer | try commenting out dri in the modules section |
| 15:27.55 | iNAP | ok did that. |
| 15:27.58 | iNAP | logout/in? |
| 15:28.03 | jetscreamer | restart the xserver |
| 15:28.09 | oskie | is it "a UUID" or "an UUID" (UUID=universally unique id) |
| 15:28.14 | iNAP | how |
| 15:28.28 | iNAP | startx ? |
| 15:28.30 | jetscreamer | do you use gdm / xdm / kdm ? |
| 15:28.33 | iNAP | gdm |
| 15:28.38 | oskie | iNAP: ctrl+alt+ backspace |
| 15:28.43 | jetscreamer | sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 15:28.47 | nvz | oskie: a sounds better to me |
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| 15:29.04 | jetscreamer | i say it a uuid even though it's a vowel |
| 15:29.07 | nvz | oskie: as a general rule though I think the an is suppose to counter vowel sounds.. so maybe its an. |
| 15:29.24 | jetscreamer | a-yu |
| 15:29.28 | nvz | oskie: plus _I_ think its "a" and I am a yinzer so its probably "an" :P |
| 15:29.32 | jetscreamer | a yu yu eye dee |
| 15:29.48 | oskie | nvz, jetscreamer: ah ok |
| 15:29.52 | jetscreamer | but the rule is vowels get an |
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| 15:29.57 | jetscreamer | so it's iffy |
| 15:30.11 | nvz | jetscreamer: I feel the same |
| 15:30.25 | nvz | jetscreamer: caught between what sounds right and what the rules say |
| 15:30.44 | xoz | english grammar is *fuzzy* |
| 15:30.48 | jetscreamer | it's not pronounced with a vowel sound in front though |
| 15:30.52 | jetscreamer | yu |
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| 15:31.31 | xoz | search google for a UUID vd an UUID |
| 15:31.31 | iNAP | awsome works =) |
| 15:31.32 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 15:31.32 | nvz | jetscreamer: true. I am not sure if its the sound or the actuall spelling.. but I would assume its the sound.. as most all languages I've studied its the sound that counts |
| 15:31.39 | iNAP | now i need help installing the nvidia graphics driver.. hehe |
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| 15:32.00 | jetscreamer | i've never done the debian nvidia-glx package |
| 15:32.10 | fireba11 | !tell iNAPabout nvidia one-liner |
| 15:32.14 | jetscreamer | oh and by the way it doesn't install all the opengl headers or somehting |
| 15:32.24 | leikh | after having made some changes to a file (targeted for windows), the file has (when read in windows) a square-symbol where there's supposed to be a linebreak. how to i fix this? |
| 15:32.25 | fireba11 | dang .. dpkg is still dead |
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| 15:32.36 | jetscreamer | ~help fireball |
| 15:32.44 | jetscreamer | ~love fireball |
| 15:32.45 | apt | If you love fireball so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 15:32.45 | nvz | fireba11: it was working yesturday evening.. just broke again |
| 15:33.00 | fireba11 | it ? |
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| 15:33.05 | jetscreamer | ~tell iNAP -about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:33.08 | nvz | fireba11: dpkg |
| 15:33.10 | xoz | leikh: tofrodos or dos2unix |
| 15:33.18 | kyncani | leikh: unix2dos |
| 15:33.19 | xoz | leikh: man tofrodos |
| 15:33.21 | fireba11 | nvz: was referring to apts line |
| 15:33.42 | nvz | ah |
| 15:33.46 | iNAP | woah |
| 15:33.50 | leikh | kyncani: i'll go for your suggestion. thx |
| 15:34.02 | kyncani | np |
| 15:34.08 | nvz | tofrodos? hahaha thats funny |
| 15:34.19 | jetscreamer | to-from-dos but yeah frodo |
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| 15:34.59 | iNAP | whats a good website to download themes? |
| 15:35.10 | jetscreamer | gnomeart or something |
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| 15:35.17 | jetscreamer | ~gnomeart |
| 15:35.22 | jetscreamer | ah well |
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| 15:35.51 | jetscreamer | gnome-art-gimp.org? i forget, but it's something like that |
| 15:35.58 | xoz | google |
| 15:36.21 | abrotman | art.gnome.org ? |
| 15:36.39 | isa | Hi ! |
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| 15:37.30 | isa | i have a big problem with usb and IRQ |
| 15:37.39 | isa | Somebody can help me ? |
| 15:37.52 | isa | i czn paste my mesage error on flood |
| 15:38.08 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:38.12 | abrotman | @paste |
| 15:38.13 | ravenbird | paste.length >= 3 ? `/join #flood' : `/say paste.msg', or paste your output at http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 15:38.37 | isa | i can paste my mesage error on #flood |
| 15:38.44 | iNAP | now what is the best irc client for debian? |
| 15:38.55 | Fox | irssi |
| 15:38.56 | abrotman | irssi or xchat |
| 15:39.04 | kspath | irssi-text |
| 15:39.15 | shining | do you use space or tab for indenting code? |
| 15:39.19 | iNAP | are those guii? |
| 15:39.23 | iNAP | gui* |
| 15:39.43 | Fox | irssi is a console one |
| 15:40.13 | jetscreamer | xchat is, you could jsut run irssi in an xterm |
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| 15:40.29 | oskude | ok, i see a HD write in atop every 5sec (after i killed hald)... but im not quite sure howto read that to say who is writing to disk... |
| 15:40.38 | jetscreamer | lsof maybe ? |
| 15:40.55 | xoz | oskude: possible syslog |
| 15:41.03 | jetscreamer | but i'm not good at that kind of stuff |
| 15:41.12 | oskude | anytips (flags) how to tell lsof to show files writed atm ? |
| 15:41.15 | xoz | tried noflushd? |
| 15:41.25 | isa | ehci_hcd 0000:00:10.3: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 |
| 15:41.25 | isa | irq 11: nobody cared! |
| 15:41.25 | isa | ehci_hcd 0000:00:10.3: Unlink after no-IRQ? Different ACPI or APIC settings may help. |
| 15:41.27 | kspath | oskude: you sure it is writing? |
| 15:41.29 | oskude | yup, running with 1min, but downt go to "sleep" |
| 15:41.31 | oberon | !dualboot |
| 15:41.38 | xoz | lsof | grep /var/log |
| 15:41.41 | oskude | atop say HD writing )on the top) every 5 sec |
| 15:41.57 | isa | i try noapic option on boot but the problem it the same |
| 15:42.15 | kspath | sar? swap? logs? |
| 15:42.23 | xoz | oskude: disable syslog. if the writing stops, it is syslog |
| 15:42.54 | kspath | oskude: sar? swap? logs? |
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| 15:42.54 | jetscreamer | what is sar |
| 15:42.54 | oskude | xoz, ok, testing syslog |
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| 15:43.28 | jetscreamer | ~dualboot |
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| 15:43.31 | kspath | jetscreamer: sorry, meant process accounting |
| 15:43.42 | vassagus | i have the 2 dvds of debian sarge, i want to create a debian repository, couse i need to install 30 computers over network, |
| 15:43.51 | vassagus | hat i have to do, just copy the dvds contents in a ftp? |
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| 15:44.04 | jetscreamer | ~repository |
| 15:44.13 | jetscreamer | cmon BOT |
| 15:44.21 | SlayerXP | vassagus: do one netinstall via a squid proxy, and then do all the other installs using the same proxy |
| 15:44.22 | kspath | jetscreamer: I meant sa/acct |
| 15:44.27 | jetscreamer | @repository |
| 15:44.29 | Estes2 | :) |
| 15:44.29 | Assassin5 | weird question for you..... is there any way to get hold of a debian boot floppy that uses something other than syslinux as it's boot loader? |
| 15:44.37 | Estes2 | !tell jetscreamer about repository |
| 15:44.38 | Assassin5 | for installing |
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| 15:44.58 | jetscreamer | Assassin5: grub-floppy is cool |
| 15:44.58 | vassagus | ok, let me explain, i need to have this repository in my local network |
| 15:45.28 | oskude | i made "/etc/init.d/sysklogd stop" but theres still HD write every ~5sec in atop |
| 15:45.31 | vassagus | and i want to boot networt install on the other computers, and then install debian from local ftp |
| 15:45.41 | kspath | oskude: syslogd |
| 15:46.08 | oskude | dont have syslogd in /etc/init.d |
| 15:46.13 | kspath | oskude: /etc/syslog.conf is syslogd config file |
| 15:46.49 | xoz | vassagus: replicator |
| 15:46.53 | kspath | oskude: likely will not be there |
| 15:47.09 | oskude | kspath, and where do i start/stop syslogd ? |
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| 15:47.51 | kspath | oskude: ps wax | grep syslog |
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| 15:48.09 | oskude | not running |
| 15:48.16 | oskude | found just "grep ..." |
| 15:48.51 | xoz | oskude: possible that ext3 writes the atime? |
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| 15:49.06 | kspath | xoz: good point |
| 15:49.15 | oskude | and if i write "lsof | grep /var/log" correct, theres no log writing atm... |
| 15:49.28 | isa | jetscreamer, it's not the good option for my problem ? |
| 15:49.34 | oskude | xoz, sry, thatw over my knowledge :) |
| 15:49.38 | isa | #kopt=noapic nolapic |
| 15:49.41 | xoz | oskude: try edit /etc/fstab ... then add options noatime, notail |
| 15:50.01 | oskude | xoz, roger |
| 15:50.19 | xoz | oskude: and remount... the filesystem updates the access time. maybe. |
| 15:50.20 | kspath | oskude: What is motivation? paranoia? resources? |
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| 15:51.09 | oskude | kspath, its just annoyis me when theres hd I/O even when im not doing anything... (and i want know whats causing it) |
| 15:51.09 | xoz | kspath: maybe, hates the *blink* |
| 15:51.13 | jetscreamer | isa i don't know i was trying to remember what lapic/nolapic does |
| 15:51.42 | xoz | oskude: the blink is just a random thing and is not tied to hd access :) |
| 15:51.43 | oskude | thats why i traded windoze to linux :) (wanna know whats under the hood) :) |
| 15:51.45 | isa | jetscreamer, no |
| 15:52.04 | isa | oh !!ok |
| 15:52.14 | oskude | xoz, so when atop says HD ... writing.. its not really writing ? |
| 15:52.15 | isa | sorry i'm french people |
| 15:52.22 | xoz | oskude: you should use a hd with 10MB cache. |
| 15:52.26 | Assassin5 | jetscreamer, thanks. I'll take a look at that |
| 15:52.32 | xoz | oskude: just kidding. |
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| 15:53.06 | oskude | xoz, :) ill try that noatim things and reboot (or can i remount / ) ? |
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| 15:53.10 | kspath | oskude: things like security packages will check and index files/directories |
| 15:53.35 | dvm1981 | On a computer, the fonts are to little to, i remember that i have installed and thing like 'gtk fonts' on another computer that solved the problem. In 'kcontrol' there whas added 'GTK Style and fonts' but to what package is that. I can not find it again. |
| 15:53.35 | xoz | oskude: just remount. |
| 15:53.57 | Aghaster | what is the codename for the current debian version? |
| 15:53.58 | xoz | mount -o rw,remount / |
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| 15:54.03 | Aghaster | woody or sarge? |
| 15:54.07 | oskude | xoz, thnx :) |
| 15:54.08 | kspath | oskude: check if anything is set up in crontabs |
| 15:54.13 | dvm1981 | Sarge |
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| 15:54.18 | Aghaster | k |
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| 15:54.38 | xoz | oskude: and check what daemons are running... ps ax |
| 15:54.42 | jeb | hello. is there any howto out there for installing debian throu via a network? I can't boot from my cdrom or floppys, so this is my last resort... |
| 15:55.01 | oskude | "mount -o rw,remount /" gives: "mount: / not mounted already, or bad option" |
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| 15:55.14 | raf256[laptop] | what can I use to calcuate an SQRT of large number? |
| 15:55.31 | ceeto | Hi all. With postfix, does /root/.procmailrc get honored? i.e., will it be used if mail is delivered to root? |
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| 15:55.45 | oskude | got plenty in ps ax (gnome running) |
| 15:55.50 | kspath | raf256[laptop]: did you want to define a "large number"? |
| 15:55.59 | raf256[laptop] | kspath: like 50 digits |
| 15:56.11 | raf256[laptop] | kspath: I would like like bc but it dont seem to support floats well |
| 15:56.29 | xoz | oskude: possible it is gnome... try quitting from X server and see if you still have blinks |
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| 15:56.59 | xoz | oskude: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 15:56.59 | oskude | xoz, allready tested that, blinks even on my debian stable "server" installation partition |
| 15:57.12 | oskude | wheres only the "base" system installed |
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| 15:57.24 | nvz | k\\ its really um bright outside. I cant see anything but the text on my monitor now |
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| 15:57.35 | dvm1981 | Someone know what package i need for 'GTK Style and fonts' in the 'kcontrol', i have search but not find it. |
| 15:57.52 | RalfG | hi, my system seems to be wrecked - and I didn't do anything - KDE won't start (any user), icewm does |
| 15:57.56 | oskude | i was hoping theres a tool like "top" that show what process is writing to the disk atm... |
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| 15:58.07 | xoz | oskude: what i am afraid is that ext3 does this. i heard a kernel post regarding this frequent update of ext3 which is not good for laptops. i don't know if this problem has been resolved already. |
| 15:58.11 | RalfG | oskie: lsof |
| 15:58.16 | nvz | RalfG: na if kde doesnt start you arent wrecked |
| 15:58.30 | oskude | xoz, hmm, would i be safe to use reiserfs or so ? |
| 15:58.45 | RalfG | I run on icewm now, and when I start trying to print I get errors |
| 15:58.46 | nvz | RalfG: you will need to verify that kde in fact does not start then elaborate on the situation |
| 15:58.56 | RalfG | kprinter doesn't find printers, hangs on init |
| 15:59.01 | xoz | oskude: depends on you. im not sure if ext3 is the problem. |
| 15:59.11 | kspath | oskude: Perhaps you should audit your machines. |
| 15:59.15 | RalfG | the splash screen hangs on 2nd icon |
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| 15:59.27 | nvz | RalfG: which is? |
| 15:59.31 | kspath | oskude: inventory each process and write up a paragraph on what it does. |
| 15:59.36 | RalfG | system init |
| 15:59.48 | jelly | oskude: no easy way to find out exactly what process is doing I/O, unless you have applied atop's kernel patches or something similar. |
| 15:59.48 | RalfG | I removed DCOP files now and checked df |
| 15:59.51 | nvz | RalfG: are you irc fromthis box now? |
| 15:59.56 | jetscreamer | RalfG: you could try renaming ~/.kde to something |
| 15:59.57 | kspath | oskude: This will help you understand what is under the hood and lead to your answers. |
| 16:00.06 | RalfG | and the system got slow - anyway starting mozilla or oo |
| 16:00.14 | RalfG | yes, icewm |
| 16:00.16 | RalfG | xchat |
| 16:00.17 | laurens_ | pretty tied up |
| 16:00.20 | laurens_ | hanging upside down |
| 16:00.24 | laurens_ | pretty tide up |
| 16:00.26 | laurens_ | and you can ride her |
| 16:00.32 | laurens_ | guns n roses :) |
| 16:00.33 | RalfG | jetscreamer: any user is concerend |
| 16:00.33 | xoz | oskude: init 1 and check if you still have the blinks |
| 16:00.38 | laurens_ | oh, wait, thats copyrighted material |
| 16:00.42 | laurens_ | pretend you didnt see that |
| 16:00.46 | nvz | RalfG: ok well thats your first mistake right there, you should be runing screen in irssi, makes doing this kind of stuff way easier |
| 16:00.49 | thingfish | guns and roses? looked like spam to me. |
| 16:00.52 | kspath | !lart laurens_ |
| 16:00.54 | oskude | xoz, ok, ill try. if still. ill try reiserfs |
| 16:00.55 | nvz | RalfG: but we can let that slide. |
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| 16:01.05 | laurens_ | thingfish: guns n roses |
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| 16:01.08 | laurens_ | not guns and roses |
| 16:01.09 | RalfG | you are right basically |
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| 16:01.10 | thingfish | spam |
| 16:01.18 | RalfG | but I can still start a second X display |
| 16:01.18 | laurens_ | yeah yeah :d |
| 16:01.19 | oskude | be back in 1hour if init1 still writes :) |
| 16:01.30 | xoz | oskude: google first regarding ext3 on laptops |
| 16:01.31 | laurens_ | it's a band that released their last album more than 10 years ago |
| 16:01.35 | laurens_ | they dont need spam :) |
| 16:01.41 | oskude | xoz, roger, good idea |
| 16:01.43 | Ronin | and has been working on the new one for almost that long laurens_ |
| 16:01.43 | RalfG | kprinter hangs on initializing print system |
| 16:01.50 | thingfish | no, you spamming the channel is what I'm talking about, laurens_. |
| 16:01.53 | jelly | oskude: take a look at noatime mount option. |
| 16:01.56 | jetscreamer | actually isn't it just axel nowadays? |
| 16:01.59 | ceeto | Hi all, what package does the MAIL command reside? Somehow I have a system with no mail command ... |
| 16:02.00 | RalfG | maybe the spool files? |
| 16:02.03 | nvz | RalfG: I would suggest you stop your Diaplay manager and startx then startkde from the xterm that you get and read the output, and before all that have a look at your resources, hd space, mem, swap, cpu, processes..etc |
| 16:02.04 | dvm1981 | laurens_: Search for me about 'GTK Style and fonts', so you do a good thing |
| 16:02.12 | dvm1981 | pppfff |
| 16:02.14 | thingfish | who cares - they sucked then, I'm sure they suck now. |
| 16:02.20 | oskude | jelly, just activated it, nope... |
| 16:02.24 | nvz | RalfG: you say you are having multiple issues so look into the kernel messages .etc |
| 16:02.26 | oskude | well i get |
| 16:02.31 | oskude | "mount -o rw,remount /" gives: "mount: / not mounted already, or bad option" |
| 16:02.41 | nvz | RalfG: be an admin for a few minutes.. or pretend anyhow |
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| 16:02.46 | RalfG | the thing is I didn't change anything |
| 16:02.55 | RalfG | okay, I am |
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| 16:03.03 | RalfG | cu later, thanks for trying to help me |
| 16:03.12 | nvz | heh, get screen and irssi |
| 16:03.19 | nvz | rookie |
| 16:03.29 | smcavoy | hello, what is the best way to force speed/duplex from /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:03.29 | kspath | cookie |
| 16:03.33 | xoz | oskude: mount -o remount,rw / as root.. make sure remount comes first |
| 16:03.46 | nvz | yo momma eats cookies on the front porch in her nightie |
| 16:03.52 | ceeto | Hi all, what package does the MAIL command reside? Somehow I have a system with no mail command ... |
| 16:04.05 | valdyn | –!tell ceeto -about search |
| 16:04.14 | kspath | nvz: How dare you say she wears a nightie! |
| 16:04.16 | ceeto | !tell ceeto -about search |
| 16:04.19 | oskude | "mount -o remount,rw /" gives: "mount: / not mounted already, or bad option" |
| 16:04.20 | nvz | kspath: heh |
| 16:04.25 | oskude | and i am root atm |
| 16:04.37 | nvz | kspath: muumuu |
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| 16:04.55 | kspath | moof |
| 16:04.57 | xoz | oskude: that's weird |
| 16:05.19 | xoz | oskude: try mount and see where / is mounted |
| 16:05.20 | oskude | reading " I always thought that because of ext3?s commit every 5 seconds, disk would never spin out and park the head." atm ... |
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| 16:05.34 | oskude | /dev/hda1 |
| 16:06.39 | xoz | oskude: what about mount /? |
| 16:06.56 | neoXite | hi, this weekend our debian server, running on a raid5 array, had a single disk failure, and the controller rebuilt the array with a hot spare. but now i'm getting a kernel panic when i reboot |
| 16:07.12 | ceeto | Isn't the MAIL command part of base-config? |
| 16:07.18 | oskude | mount / , mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or / busy , mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda1 is already mounted on / |
| 16:07.25 | neoXite | something about '/sbin/init: 426:cannot open /dev/console: No such file' and then the kernel panics and halts |
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| 16:07.45 | xoz | oskude: so remount should work. |
| 16:07.49 | neoXite | anybody got an idea? i thought the volume should have remained intact.. |
| 16:08.00 | xoz | neoXite: what kernel? |
| 16:08.02 | lexter | Hi! Which package holds the tools eps2*** or epsto***. I need something like eps2jpg |
| 16:08.31 | nvz | apt, find eps2 |
| 16:08.36 | neoXite | dist sarge, but running kernel 2.6.12 from etch, when it was still using 2.6.12 |
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| 16:08.45 | xoz | lexter: apt-file search epstojpg |
| 16:08.56 | xoz | lexter: try convert of imagemagick |
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| 16:09.39 | oskude | ill try reiserfs (as i just installed all, its np to install all new) |
| 16:09.46 | oskude | or |
| 16:09.55 | thingfish | cool; that must mean pdo is back up. |
| 16:09.56 | oskude | i just reboot with noatime,notail |
| 16:09.58 | jetscreamer | ugh reiser |
| 16:10.05 | lepton | dpkg is not responding |
| 16:10.08 | xoz | oskude: reboot first and check |
| 16:10.12 | kspath | !lart kspath |
| 16:10.18 | nvz | azeem: p.d.o back? |
| 16:10.27 | oskude | thanx all for you help! |
| 16:10.35 | valdyn | oskude: what exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 16:10.35 | oskude | ill be back :) |
| 16:10.40 | azeem | nvz: not entirely, but at least transparent to the users |
| 16:10.48 | kspath | azeem: dpkg is still ill/mia/dead/catatonic |
| 16:10.51 | oskude | valdyn, stop my hd led blinkg every 5 sec |
| 16:10.57 | azeem | (p.d.o/foo redirects to pdo.debian.net/foo) |
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| 16:11.01 | azeem | kspath: can't do anything about it |
| 16:11.03 | valdyn | oskude: apt-cache show laptop-mode-tools |
| 16:11.04 | thingfish | oh |
| 16:11.07 | kspath | oskude: BLINK |
| 16:11.10 | xoz | oskude: or just destroy the led so that it won't blink anymore :) |
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| 16:11.15 | nvz | azeem: oh, well that works :P |
| 16:11.23 | kspath | azeem: refering to topic saying to /msg dpkg |
| 16:11.28 | azeem | kspath: ah |
| 16:11.39 | oskude | xoz, yeah :) |
| 16:11.45 | vin` | ~test |
| 16:11.46 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 16:11.51 | azeem | kspath: well, dpkg is down sometimes, I don't think we should remove half of the topic each time |
| 16:11.54 | azeem | but I can discuss this |
| 16:11.57 | valdyn | oskude: that is if you want to park the head, avoiding just the blinking is silly |
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| 16:12.16 | valdyn | oskude: ( ... and spin down the disk ) |
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| 16:12.28 | oskude | valdyn, ist that same as noflushd ? |
| 16:12.39 | lepton | oskude: no |
| 16:12.42 | kspath | azeem: two copies of topic? one with dpkg stuffs and the other with saying dpkg is down and/or alternative bots or resources? |
| 16:13.02 | valdyn | but even spinning down the head is often pointless i read |
| 16:13.11 | nvz | kspath: ever heard of a regular expression? |
| 16:13.11 | valdyn | s/head/disk/ |
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| 16:13.52 | jetscreamer | i thought they autoparked or something and there was no more need for parking |
| 16:13.58 | kspath | nvz: "never|ever" |
| 16:14.01 | oskude | hmm, if atop shows HD writing every 5sec, would any tool park the head ? |
| 16:14.02 | xoz | dpkg must have a mirror image as a backup |
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| 16:14.06 | jetscreamer | but that was rll maybe |
| 16:14.15 | oskude | as the tools wait for unactivity, or ? |
| 16:14.21 | valdyn | jetscreamer: you're right, i just meant spinning down the disk |
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| 16:14.49 | oskude | well, ill reboot and come back... |
| 16:14.59 | kspath | nvz: funny ? ever matches ever and never ? |
| 16:15.23 | nvz | kspath: yeah I get it. |
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| 16:15.57 | nvz | like yo momma eating cookies... |
| 16:15.58 | misnyo | hi there |
| 16:16.13 | misnyo | can anyone help me about network cards? |
| 16:16.28 | Ronin | misnyo: not till you tell us the problem |
| 16:16.34 | misnyo | ok |
| 16:16.35 | misnyo | so |
| 16:16.40 | nvz | misnyo: could you ask us a question identifying the problem? |
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| 16:16.45 | nvz | without |
| 16:16.48 | nvz | pressing enter |
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| 16:17.00 | nvz | a lot |
| 16:17.07 | misnyo | i dont know how to change the MAC address |
| 16:17.14 | nvz | do what? |
| 16:17.14 | kspath | nvz: Did you intend to use you, your, or you're? I am not familiar with yo. |
| 16:17.23 | thingfish | you have to change the nic to change the mac address. |
| 16:17.23 | Ronin | misnyo: why would you want to |
| 16:17.31 | nvz | kspath: yo momma is an expression in and of itself |
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| 16:17.40 | misnyo | because i cant connect to internet without it |
| 16:17.41 | thingfish | I think mac addresses are locked in. |
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| 16:17.51 | xoz | misnyo: you can but it seems you want to fool the switch? |
| 16:17.55 | Ronin | thingfish: some models can be changed |
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| 16:18.00 | valdyn | thingfish: depends on the nic |
| 16:18.02 | nvz | kspath: misnyo why not? |
| 16:18.05 | thingfish | Ronin: that I did not know. |
| 16:18.05 | nvz | er |
| 16:18.08 | nvz | misnyo: why not |
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| 16:18.19 | thingfish | I guess technology marches on, doesn't it. |
| 16:18.29 | kspath | nvz: I do not know of this expression. What language is that from? |
| 16:18.32 | xoz | changing the mac address is what the dsniff does |
| 16:18.39 | misnyo | so i have to change it if i want to connect to internet |
| 16:18.54 | Ronin | misnyo: call your isp and get them to accept the new mac? |
| 16:18.54 | valdyn | misnyo: funny internet that is |
| 16:18.56 | misnyo | but iam quite lamer |
| 16:19.14 | nvz | misnyo: why would you have to change your mac address to get online |
| 16:19.21 | yggdrasil | beardy you around ? |
| 16:19.28 | xoz | thingfish: it can be fooled. mac-address physically cannot be changed but softwares can be fooled into thinking the mac address is different |
| 16:19.41 | thingfish | I see. |
| 16:19.41 | valdyn | ehe |
| 16:19.45 | misnyo | the problem is that the default mac is something like 00000... |
| 16:19.48 | valdyn | some nics DO permit mac change |
| 16:19.56 | nvz | misnyo: so what? |
| 16:20.08 | Ronin | nvz: im betting you dont get an answer |
| 16:20.27 | nvz | Ronin: you think? |
| 16:20.27 | xoz | misnyo: you can use ifconfig to change it |
| 16:20.29 | misnyo | nvz: cause i have a wrong mac address |
| 16:20.41 | misnyo | which another user have in the network |
| 16:20.46 | nvz | how the hell do you get a "wrong mac address |
| 16:20.50 | misnyo | and so the dns server dont let me in |
| 16:20.50 | kspath | misnyo: Invalid? |
| 16:21.03 | misnyo | no |
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| 16:21.06 | nvz | do you have more than one pc on a switch or hub with your modem? |
| 16:21.15 | misnyo | its the same as another computer has |
| 16:21.21 | misnyo | no |
| 16:21.26 | nvz | I think you are full of shit |
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| 16:21.28 | misnyo | i mean nvz: no |
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| 16:21.43 | misnyo | nvz: ? |
| 16:21.46 | RalfG | huh |
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| 16:22.04 | xoz | misnyo: man ifconfig.. look for HW CLASS ADDRESS |
| 16:22.07 | nvz | you see you just indicated that you have the same mac id supposedly as another pc on teh network |
| 16:22.17 | misnyo | yes |
| 16:22.18 | RalfG | no success, and believe me, I am not a newbee. messages just report missing fonts, but all are installed |
| 16:22.27 | nvz | but you have no other pcs on the network |
| 16:22.31 | misnyo | i know it cant be |
| 16:22.33 | xoz | it is possible to have the same mac address. some cards revert to 000000 |
| 16:22.43 | misnyo | yes |
| 16:22.46 | misnyo | and thats my card |
| 16:22.50 | valdyn | RalfG: wrong logfile? your X log file has nothing to do with kde hanging |
| 16:23.02 | xoz | misnyo: what brand? |
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| 16:23.07 | Ronin | xoz: but if theres no other machines on the network |
| 16:23.07 | RalfG | on console |
| 16:23.13 | nvz | thats the silliest shit I ever heard |
| 16:23.13 | misnyo | asus motherboard |
| 16:23.14 | RalfG | even strace doesn't give further hints |
| 16:23.26 | xoz | misnyo: same here. |
| 16:23.30 | misnyo | via |
| 16:23.37 | xoz | misnyo: stupid boomerang vortex |
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| 16:23.42 | valdyn | misnyo: your bios might let you change the MAC |
| 16:23.49 | misnyo | ok |
| 16:23.52 | misnyo | ill try |
| 16:23.55 | xoz | misnyo: you can use ifconfig to change it |
| 16:24.00 | misnyo | ok |
| 16:24.11 | nvz | RalfG: yeah but did you look into your system resources and kernel messages and process list to make sure everything is cool first, and get any clues about which part of kde is screwed? |
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| 16:24.15 | misnyo | but why do you say this for me nvz? |
| 16:24.19 | Ronin | ok i know im not taht smart sometimes but if theres no other machines on the network who cares what the mac is |
| 16:24.22 | RalfG | so, I will have to switch to icewm - just the printing should rework |
| 16:24.22 | nvz | RalfG: if not you need to sit there and load them one by one. |
| 16:24.22 | misnyo | iam a great noob |
| 16:24.36 | RalfG | yes nvz |
| 16:24.40 | nvz | misnyo: I just cant imagine having two nics with the same mac id. |
| 16:24.43 | Peterken | Wat is die klok eigenlijk op den achtergrond? |
| 16:24.55 | misnyo | i said that to the support |
| 16:25.09 | misnyo | they told me to shut a fuck up and change the mac |
| 16:25.11 | misnyo | :( |
| 16:25.12 | nvz | wtf did he just say? |
| 16:25.15 | Peterken | woops |
| 16:25.16 | nvz | misnyo: heh |
| 16:25.18 | xoz | the mac reverts to 00000 which indicates that there is something wrong with the card |
| 16:25.19 | RalfG | well kde3.5 is from sarge-backports, but yesterday it worked |
| 16:25.21 | Peterken | wrong channel sorry lol :p |
| 16:25.25 | Ronin | misnyo: your ISP support? tell them to shut up as you bought a new nic and to accept it |
| 16:25.36 | Peterken | i was thinking why everyone was talking english lol |
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| 16:25.40 | misnyo | ok but it wont workû |
| 16:25.41 | misnyo | -û |
| 16:25.44 | misnyo | i tried |
| 16:26.01 | misnyo | but the dns server didnt let me in |
| 16:26.02 | kspath | Peterken: OY! |
| 16:26.03 | Ronin` | seriously? shitty isp you have there |
| 16:26.08 | RalfG | k, it hurts to read irc on ircII , so bye |
| 16:26.08 | misnyo | :) |
| 16:26.12 | misnyo | its hungary baby |
| 16:26.22 | nvz | I am hungry too |
| 16:26.31 | nvz | now that you mention it |
| 16:26.43 | misnyo | oh, ive heard it 100000 times |
| 16:26.44 | nvz | I think I should go make something for lunch |
| 16:26.50 | misnyo | heh |
| 16:26.51 | nvz | I am serious though |
| 16:26.59 | misnyo | there is 17:27:) |
| 16:27.06 | misnyo | so thx for the help |
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| 16:27.13 | misnyo | if it wont work, ill be back |
| 16:27.14 | nvz | here it is 11:27 as in the morning |
| 16:27.28 | Ronin | misnyo: demand to talk to tier 3 support if the morons on the phones wont help |
| 16:27.28 | misnyo | nah bye and thx for all really |
| 16:27.35 | kspath | Ronin: a lot of ISPs are using MAC addresses more and more for several purposes. |
| 16:27.37 | misnyo | ok |
| 16:27.46 | misnyo | bye |
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| 16:28.03 | Ronin | kspath: oh i know and dont really have a problem with that, its them refusing to accept a new mac when a replacement nic is purchased |
| 16:28.13 | nvz | when I hear someone bitching about macids they are usually misusing technology |
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| 16:28.25 | kspath | nvz: agreed |
| 16:28.32 | fhffhqvb | nvz: http://twiggs.org/images/763-raspberry-danish.jpg |
| 16:28.47 | nvz | could have some retarted device caching macs, or only talking to one device, and trying to use multiple without NAT |
| 16:28.50 | kspath | Ronin: likely they can not accept 000:0000:.... |
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| 16:29.04 | nvz | you dont know what they are doing and they will never tell you |
| 16:29.29 | abrotman | dpkg: wake up |
| 16:29.33 | kspath | nvz: exactly, or they are too clueless and trynig to do what some "friend" told them |
| 16:29.37 | xoz | i should have told misnyo to use this command: jclinton@pdpc/supporter/student/jclinton] has quit [Read |
| 16:29.40 | xoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.40 | Ronin | nvz: very true, only time i call my wonderful isp was to get the names of the mail servers as i cant install thier helpful software |
| 16:29.46 | xoz | oops |
| 16:29.48 | azeem | did somebody tell dondelelcaro about dpkg being down? |
| 16:29.48 | loca|host | hello all |
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| 16:29.50 | nvz | fhffhqvb: heh, I dont really get tempted by that stuff often I am hungry for something filling |
| 16:29.57 | stew | azeem: i pinged him in channel |
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| 16:30.01 | azeem | ok |
| 16:30.18 | stew | azeem: and your message just then probably did the same |
| 16:30.37 | fhffhqvb | nvz: http://www.madmushroom.com/blt.jpg |
| 16:30.38 | azeem | yeah, but I didn't know how to phrase it otherwise :) |
| 16:30.44 | nvz | being he is the one that has access to dpkg's network.. I would think he (w|c|sh)ould be the first to know |
| 16:30.48 | oskude | ok, "noatime" in fstab and killing "/usr/sbin/hald --drop-privileges" did the trick |
| 16:31.31 | nvz | fhffhqvb: they call that limp toasted veggie sub a blt? |
| 16:31.31 | azeem | nvz: usually, the hacker knows a box is comprised before its owner, just to make a counter-example ;) |
| 16:31.34 | loca|host | is the any site were i can find some art galeries about linux/tux penguins ... just to get some ideas before designing my Open source consulting entreprise logo |
| 16:31.35 | xoz | oskude: you killed syslog before... it should stop the blink, right? |
| 16:31.37 | azeem | s/hacker/cracker/, oops |
| 16:31.42 | oskude | so for the record, when "/usr/sbin/hald --drop-privileges" running, hd blink every 1sec, and without "atime" every 5sec |
| 16:31.46 | azeem | and compromised, sigh |
| 16:31.49 | oskude | xoz, nope |
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| 16:32.18 | nvz | azeem: well he has other pcs there and could have a notification system if he were a uber geek |
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| 16:32.32 | oskude | thanx on all who helped me to track this down ! |
| 16:32.58 | nvz | fhffhqvb: in my land BLT means MEAT |
| 16:33.15 | nvz | and a piece of lettuce and a slice or 2 of tomato |
| 16:33.28 | Piggy | D: |
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| 16:33.28 | wdamn | how can I add a file into a tar.gz archive? |
| 16:33.32 | nvz | flame broiled is always good |
| 16:33.44 | nvz | condiments innat |
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| 16:34.24 | stew | wdamn: tar czf blah.tar.gz file1 file2 file3 ; mind you those will append, not replace |
| 16:34.38 | nvz | when we party in pittsburgh we setup shop out in the middle of the damn streets and cook us up some carcas |
| 16:34.54 | mne_ | hi, how can I add applications to gnome menus ? The documentation says that this can be sdone with nautilus by entering "applications:///" unfortunately this doesn't work for me |
| 16:36.01 | mne_ | wdamn, i guess this can be done with tar --append. maybe man tar will help |
| 16:36.31 | useruser_ | is firefox broken in sid? when I run it, nothing happens (no console output either, it just sits there) |
| 16:37.00 | loca|host | is the any site were i can find some art galeries about linux/tux penguins ... just to get some ideas before designing my Open source consulting entreprise logo |
| 16:37.12 | Ronin | loca|host: www.google.com just do a search for them |
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| 16:38.43 | nvz | loca|host: images.google.com are you kidding me or what? |
| 16:38.57 | stew | useruser_: check the bts /msg dpkg bts ; try running it from the command line and see if you get any output, also try moving your ~/.mozilla directory out of the way to make sure its not some extension you are running |
| 16:39.15 | iNAP | how is it that i make the menuw ith applications places and desktop integreated with the other menu? into 1 big one, a nice one. |
| 16:39.17 | wdamn | stew: thanx |
| 16:39.28 | nvz | I got access to the AP photo archives and stuff but that probably wont help there .. heh |
| 16:39.57 | stew | wdamn: i was totally rwong, you want rzf not czf |
| 16:40.14 | oskude | i assume i wont be having any problems with the "noatime" option. as i read that the access times are still written to the "file"... |
| 16:40.15 | useruser_ | stew: hm, strange. I strace -f 'ed it, and it worked, and now it works when I don't strace it :S |
| 16:40.23 | mrverbose | how can i generate an alias with udev= |
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| 16:40.50 | mrverbose | i need udev to automatically create a symlink to ttyS1 named refclock-0 |
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| 16:45.26 | junix|work | what's the website for the archivse? |
| 16:45.28 | kimo__ | how do I run X applications from within chroot ? |
| 16:46.33 | junix|work | nm |
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| 16:46.42 | TuX_BuBling | hey there |
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| 16:47.36 | Knight_Lord | kimo__ as any other application |
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| 16:48.13 | TuX_BuBling | ok all i still cant make a grsec kernel work on my system |
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| 16:48.30 | TuX_BuBling | i have tried all i can but no more :/ |
| 16:48.35 | TuX_BuBling | any idea? |
| 16:48.39 | kimo__ | Knight_Lord: well it gives me 'cant open display' :) |
| 16:49.05 | Knight_Lord | kimo__ are you trying to start an X server? |
| 16:49.11 | stew | kimo__: are you running as the user that started x or some other user (like root)? |
| 16:49.25 | stew | kimo__: what does "echo $DISPLAY" say? |
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| 16:50.01 | cello_rasp | it seems my tmp partition is full up. how can i purge it? |
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| 16:50.37 | thingfish | it should clear at reboot. |
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| 16:50.44 | Knight_Lord | cello_rasp rm -rf /tmp/* |
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| 16:50.54 | leikh | i have a huge file where i want to remove the blank line that is situated between regex1 and regex2 (this pattern occurs multiple places through the file). i can't find a sed- or an awk-solution to this. Suggestions? |
| 16:50.56 | azeem | you might need some things in /tmp, though |
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| 16:51.06 | azeem | I suggest only deleting the big files |
| 16:51.08 | cello_rasp | Knight_Lord. Will files in use be locked from deletion? |
| 16:51.19 | Knight_Lord | cello_rasp not likely |
| 16:51.19 | junix|work | why can't i get this /archive/2002/06/04/debian/pool/main/s/sendmail/ ????? |
| 16:51.39 | kyparrothead | Why cannot I not connect to samba server via windows. It prompts me for a username/password when I go to it, but nothing seems to work |
| 16:51.42 | TuX_BuBling | anyone here allready had successfully run grsec kernel + soft raid?? |
| 16:51.44 | stew | cello_rasp: "du -sk /tmp/* | sort -n" will list files/directores in /tmp in increasing size order to make it easy to find targets for deletion |
| 16:52.08 | Knight_Lord | cello_rasp most of the times deleting everything is ok |
| 16:52.09 | cello_rasp | ah, there is always a good way to do it in bash :) |
| 16:52.18 | thingfish | kyparrothead: try making sure the user exists on the linux machine. run smbpasswd for each user. |
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| 16:52.33 | shygrrl | or use pam |
| 16:52.40 | shygrrl | which is proabbly better |
| 16:52.49 | thingfish | oh I'm sure it is. |
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| 16:53.08 | thingfish | I'm not going to say another damn thing today, I'm in such a shitty mood. |
| 16:53.41 | cello_rasp | may i ask, what is lost+found used for? |
| 16:53.43 | kyparrothead | awesome.. I am able to see it. |
| 16:53.45 | kyparrothead | thanks |
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| 16:54.49 | double_c | cello_rasp: If a filesystem check finds unlinked file fragments, it will put them in there |
| 16:55.22 | nvz | o.O |
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| 16:55.37 | nvz | doh I had my screen scrolled up |
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| 16:56.02 | kspath | yuck, apt-file is FAR from perfect |
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| 16:56.16 | kspath | anyone ever use userinfo? |
| 16:56.20 | shygrrl | just trying to be helpful |
| 16:56.21 | shygrrl | :) |
| 16:56.32 | iNAP | whats a good MSN/ICQ program to use? |
| 16:56.40 | Ronin | iNAP: gaim |
| 16:56.47 | nvz | iNAP: bitlbee |
| 16:56.52 | junix|work | why can't i get this /archive/2002/06/04/debian/pool/main/s/sendmail/ ????? |
| 16:57.05 | kspath | centericq, naim, pork, ... |
| 16:57.17 | nvz | hehe pork |
| 16:57.25 | kingsley | Has anyone else's spamd process been dying recently, and thus letting spam through? |
| 16:57.30 | kspath | I do not use MSN |
| 16:57.34 | nvz | I dont have any pork to make.. /me eyes Piggy |
| 16:57.52 | jeb | I'm trying to install Debian, but I'm having massive problems while I try to boot it up - I've tried with both the cdrom and floppy, both gives me the following message: "No operating system found". What could be wrong? The BIOS configuration seem to be correct, and since I've tried all possible configuration in BIOS the problem should come from the BIOS - what could I do to correct this? |
| 16:58.16 | nvz | I dont know wtf I will make, but I am not going back to the store todat |
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| 16:59.40 | kspath | nvz: steamed brocolli with tofu and a black bean and garlic sauce |
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| 17:00.03 | kspath | nvz: do it! do it now! |
| 17:00.27 | RalfG | KDE is coming up after 5 minutes or so |
| 17:00.40 | RalfG | after 2 more minutes even kicker appears |
| 17:00.46 | RalfG | CPU load is not very high |
| 17:00.49 | RalfG | <1 % |
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| 17:01.24 | wols | jeb: how did you burn the CD? as iso? |
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| 17:01.25 | nvz | kspath: yeah and puke my brains out. I dont want tofu and garlic sauce, wtf? this stuff totally doesnt go together |
| 17:01.42 | thingfish | sure it does. |
| 17:01.50 | nvz | you eat it then |
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| 17:01.55 | thingfish | tofu goes with darn near any sauce, as it has no flavor of its own. |
| 17:01.56 | kspath | nvz: tofu has almost no flavour |
| 17:02.00 | thingfish | I'd gladly eat that. |
| 17:02.04 | jeb | wols: it works on other computers so the problem doesn't come from the CD... |
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| 17:02.20 | wols | jeb: then it's your BIOS. most probably you aren't booting from CD |
| 17:02.26 | wols | the hdd is empty I guess? |
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| 17:02.42 | kspath | nvz: forgot to add some steamed rice and perhaps some steamed shrimp as well |
| 17:02.53 | thingfish | too much steamed stuff. |
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| 17:03.10 | jeb | wols: I set up the BIOS so it should boot from the cdrom - but it doesn't |
| 17:03.22 | Ronin | enough already i just ate and hungry again thanks to you guys :) |
| 17:03.25 | thingfish | oops, I was going to keep quiet. back to doing that. |
| 17:03.38 | nvz | I am gonna make chicken or something. I still never bought soy sauce or paprika |
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| 17:03.52 | nvz | mmm thats almost worth going to the store for |
| 17:03.57 | nvz | and carrots |
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| 17:04.15 | kspath | nvz: sounds like the start of something yummy |
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| 17:05.08 | nvz | kspath: I'm thinking dice and boil the chicken tender and shred in and mix in a butter, paprika, garlic salt, and make a baked potato and carrots |
| 17:05.09 | RalfG | kbuildsycoca ? |
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| 17:05.17 | nvz | I dont think I have any of that though |
| 17:05.22 | nvz | sounds good |
| 17:05.23 | kspath | I have an interesting one for you all. apt-file search userinfo will fail to show ui binary |
| 17:05.43 | kspath | nvz: replace garlic salt with garlic powder and add salt to taste |
| 17:05.54 | nvz | ah |
| 17:06.01 | kspath | nvz: you do not want 10 flavoured salts |
| 17:06.07 | nvz | heh |
| 17:06.42 | kspath | nvz: only flavoured salt I have is Lawry's season salt. Everything else is powders or flakes or chopped or fresh |
| 17:06.59 | kspath | nvz: or some infused oils |
| 17:07.03 | kimo__ | stew: X is started as root, and in the chroot I am root also. DISPLAY is :0.0 & I have 'xhost +' on host X |
| 17:07.21 | ke6isf | kspath: You know, I've never been able to figure out just what is in Lawry's seasoned salt. =O.o= |
| 17:07.23 | cello_rasp | there is nothing more lazy than buying a combination of 2 condiments |
| 17:07.33 | nvz | yeah them salts with peoples names on them and the other little things like that are shaky.. I can make my own damn salts just as easy and just buy a fuckin shaker |
| 17:07.49 | kspath | ke6isf: I know the ingrediants but the proporitions I do not know and it just works. |
| 17:07.59 | ke6isf | kspath: Indeed. |
| 17:08.19 | nvz | man my mouth is watering for going to the store but my feet say no |
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| 17:08.35 | kspath | ke6isf: some people prefer lemon-pepper salt instead. |
| 17:08.36 | misnyo | hello again |
| 17:08.55 | ke6isf | kspath: That could work on chicken and such. Though don't know about, say, a beef roast.... |
| 17:08.58 | kyparrothead | why does my php code come up as html when I open a file on the webserver? |
| 17:09.01 | kspath | nvz: One other exception might be butter-salt for those that like salty popcorn |
| 17:09.17 | ke6isf | kyparrothead: Did you install the PHP module for your web daemon of choice? |
| 17:09.32 | nvz | cant remember the last time I bought plain fresh chicken breast. actually I probably never did.. I usually just buy it breaded and frozen and shit :P |
| 17:09.38 | kspath | ke6isf: There are quite a few chefs that will use lemon on beef in addition to salt and pepper |
| 17:09.55 | kyparrothead | ((newb)) I was able to install sugarcrm and it runs fine |
| 17:10.04 | ke6isf | kspath: I ought to try it, if anything. If it works, it works. |
| 17:10.16 | kyparrothead | But I have also loaded ISPConfig, and think that it screwed this whole damn box up |
| 17:10.17 | stew | kimo__: oh right, its a chroot. i think it needs to be able to see the socket in /tmp/.X11-unix that is outside the chroot |
| 17:10.22 | kyparrothead | Stuff is EVERYWHERE! |
| 17:10.49 | stew | kimo__: you could --bind mount this directory into the chroot. you know, xhost is dangerous and hardly ever necessary |
| 17:10.51 | ke6isf | kyparrothead: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 17:10.57 | kyparrothead | Sarge.. |
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| 17:11.15 | nvz | I need to just cook like crazy on the weekends so I got food and dont have to cook all week |
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| 17:11.29 | kyparrothead | I just started playing with it last week.. (never really used linux) |
| 17:11.35 | ke6isf | !ispconfig |
| 17:11.51 | kimo__ | stew: yeah, I was just destroying my security :) I'm on an open wlan BTW ;) |
| 17:11.55 | ke6isf | kyparrothead: Can't find packages sugarcrm or ispconfig. What package are they in? |
| 17:12.13 | stew | kimo__: xhost + lets anyone capture every keystroke, for instance |
| 17:12.18 | kyparrothead | I built them from downloading them from their website |
| 17:12.27 | ke6isf | kyparrothead: doh! |
| 17:12.41 | ke6isf | kyparrothead: sugarcrm is a web server, I presume? |
| 17:12.57 | kyparrothead | no... php code that runs on the web server |
| 17:13.01 | kyparrothead | is an application |
| 17:13.05 | kyparrothead | contact management |
| 17:13.09 | kimo__ | stew: yeah I know :) 7 years with Linux, I'm just new to debian |
| 17:13.17 | ke6isf | kyparrothead: OK, what web server are you using? |
| 17:13.22 | kyparrothead | Apache2 |
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| 17:13.48 | ke6isf | kyparrothead: First, check the information for ISPConfig, see if there's a way to remove it. |
| 17:13.49 | Digital_Pioneer | Hello. |
| 17:14.01 | ke6isf | kyparrothead: Second, did you install the PHP module for Apache2? |
| 17:14.07 | Digital_Pioneer | I need to mount an NTFS partition (hda2) in Debian. |
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| 17:14.10 | Digital_Pioneer | Read-only is fine. |
| 17:14.16 | linuxboyfriend | hi all |
| 17:14.24 | kyparrothead | What is the module name? |
| 17:14.32 | kyparrothead | I can try and apt it |
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| 17:14.36 | linuxboyfriend | is there any msn messenger for gentoo (linux) which can provide voice and video chatting? |
| 17:14.45 | ke6isf | kyparrothead: 'apt-cache search apache | grep php' |
| 17:14.48 | oskude | apache2-mod-php4 (i think) |
| 17:14.52 | jclinton | Digital_Pioneer, mount -t ntftp /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows |
| 17:14.53 | ke6isf | linuxboyfriend: Ask on #gentoo |
| 17:14.59 | jclinton | Digital_Pioneer, mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows |
| 17:15.04 | kimo__ | duh! in aptitude when I press enter to view pkg info, how do I 'get out' ? |
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| 17:15.24 | jclinton | kimo__, 'q' |
| 17:15.28 | junix|work | why can't i get this /archive/2002/06/04/debian/pool/main/s/sendmail/ ????? |
| 17:15.32 | oskude | i remember apt-get install php4 just installs apache-mod-php (even when only apache2 is installed) |
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| 17:15.37 | linuxboyfriend | ke6isf: why? |
| 17:15.38 | kimo__ | jclinton: phew :) |
| 17:15.40 | jclinton | junix|work, full URL? |
| 17:15.42 | wdamn | Hi, how can I launch a process on a server in ssh and disconnect me from that server? |
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| 17:15.46 | kyparrothead | Not on my list |
| 17:15.51 | kyparrothead | I will try and install it |
| 17:15.55 | kimo__ | wdamn: nohup |
| 17:15.58 | jclinton | wdamn, a program called 'screen' |
| 17:16.05 | SlayerXP | wdamn: nohup or screen |
| 17:16.08 | ke6isf | linuxboyfriend: Because this is #debian, and we don't support Gentoo, that's why. |
| 17:16.09 | junix|work | jclinton: deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 17:16.23 | wdamn | kimo__, jclinton, SlayerXP : thanx |
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| 17:16.38 | oskude | wdamn, i used "nohup your command &" (but im still a noob :) |
| 17:16.44 | linuxboyfriend | ke6isf: I am not running Gentoo! |
| 17:16.45 | jclinton | junix|work, i don't know why you can't get that. try mirrors.kernel.org |
| 17:16.46 | Digital_Pioneer | jclinton: I can't access it in Konqueror. |
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| 17:16.52 | Digital_Pioneer | It says I don't have right. |
| 17:16.53 | kyparrothead | not it... I will try and uninstall this ISPCOnfig and see where it get's me. I got to run |
| 17:16.58 | Digital_Pioneer | *rights |
| 17:16.59 | linuxboyfriend | ke6isf: its at my othe system |
| 17:17.04 | kyparrothead | thanks for your help though |
| 17:17.09 | ke6isf | linuxboyfriend: But you asked the following: " is there any msn messenger for gentoo (linux)" |
| 17:17.10 | kimo__ | there is no unofficial mm kernel tree for debian, is there |
| 17:17.11 | jclinton | Digital_Pioneer, you need to mount the windows partition as the 'root' user |
| 17:17.18 | ke6isf | linuxboyfriend: ...to excerpt. |
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| 17:17.42 | jclinton | kimo__, no, there isn't -- not in the archives anyways |
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| 17:17.43 | ke6isf | linuxboyfriend: We know what Gentoo is, and we don't support it. Ask on #gentoo. This is like asking on here about Windows trouble because you're asking on a Debian box. |
| 17:17.59 | linuxboyfriend | oh sorry, I forgot that currently I am not running gentoo :D |
| 17:18.17 | Ronin | how can you not know what your running? heh |
| 17:18.22 | jclinton | linuxboyfriend, MSN is supported by GAIM, Kopete, and any number of Jabber clients |
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| 17:18.40 | ke6isf | linuxboyfriend: That said, look for gaim-vv. |
| 17:18.43 | kspath | linuxboyfriend: apt-cache search MSN |
| 17:18.43 | Woody^working | I wrote a small error in a post script document. How can I correct the mistake ? |
| 17:18.49 | iNAP | how can i make it that the gnome-bar or watever its called will be automatically adjusted to fit both the applications places desktop menu and the programs menu together? |
| 17:19.00 | edson | portuguese? |
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| 17:19.08 | markybob | !pr |
| 17:19.10 | linuxboyfriend | ke6isf, kspath: thanks NOW :) |
| 17:19.10 | ke6isf | edson: Try #debian-br |
| 17:19.21 | jclinton | Woody^working, hire a Donald Knuth? |
| 17:19.22 | Digital_Pioneer | jclinton: How? |
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| 17:19.30 | edson | #debian-br |
| 17:19.33 | Digital_Pioneer | jclinton: Sorryr. I'm new to Debian. |
| 17:19.43 | Woody^working | jclinton: I haven't read his books yet. |
| 17:19.47 | jclinton | Digital_Pioneer, which disk drive is your NTFS part. on? |
| 17:19.50 | oskude | edson, type: /j |
| 17:19.52 | kspath | edson: /join #debian-br |
| 17:19.53 | edson | #ubuntu-br |
| 17:19.56 | oskude | edson, type: /j #debian-br |
| 17:19.57 | cptkwirk | hi i was wondering if somone would be able to help |
| 17:20.02 | Digital_Pioneer | Uhh... /dev/hda2? |
| 17:20.03 | jclinton | WoodsDog, he wrote TeX; that's why i mentioned him |
| 17:20.05 | wdamn | kimo__, jclinton, SlayerXP : i've run "nohup [command]" and I've got "nohup: appending output to `nohup.out' |
| 17:20.05 | wdamn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.12 | cptkwirk | i am trying to install debian on a new hp pavillion with a sata disk |
| 17:20.16 | wdamn | Now I can disconnect me? |
| 17:20.18 | SlayerXP | wdamn: yes, that sounds about right |
| 17:20.18 | kspath | edson: type luser /join #ubuntu-br |
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| 17:20.23 | kimo__ | wdamn: when u logout, ur program keeps running |
| 17:20.23 | ke6isf | wdamn: /part |
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| 17:20.25 | oskude | wdamn, yup |
| 17:20.29 | cptkwirk | and it isn't able to find the sata hard disk |
| 17:20.30 | ke6isf | !u |
| 17:20.32 | jclinton | cptkwirk, sata support works most of the time but not always |
| 17:20.32 | cptkwirk | during partitions |
| 17:20.36 | ke6isf | ~u |
| 17:20.38 | apt | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1.. See http://wooledge.org/~greg/uf20041201.png |
| 17:20.40 | iNAP | how can i install other languages? ex: hebrew |
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| 17:20.46 | wdamn | kimo__, ke6isf, oskude: ok - thanx |
| 17:20.46 | Woody^working | jclinton: I know, but I have no idea of how to use TeX. Is there a way solving my problem ? |
| 17:20.57 | jclinton | cptkwirk, check the web to see what chipset you have and find out if it's supported; you may need to download the beta installers |
| 17:21.11 | jclinton | Woody^working, not without a very, very smart person |
| 17:21.14 | cptkwirk | alright |
| 17:21.17 | Digital_Pioneer | jclinton: How do I login as root? |
| 17:21.20 | jclinton | Woody^working, you'll need the source file |
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| 17:21.23 | Woody^working | cptkwirk, try to build you own kernel. |
| 17:21.30 | jclinton | Digital_Pioneer, 'sudo -i' at a terminal |
| 17:21.30 | Digital_Pioneer | If I do it on startup, it says root logins aren't allowed. |
| 17:21.50 | Woody^working | jclinton: What source file ? I only have a pdf and a ps file left :-/ |
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| 17:21.55 | jclinton | Digital_Pioneer, err wait, 'su -' at a terminal |
| 17:21.58 | Digital_Pioneer | So I can't access /mnt/windows in Konqueror? I was already root in Konsole. |
| 17:22.03 | jclinton | Woody^working, yea, that's not good |
| 17:22.14 | yoo_ | Somebody can help me with IRQ USB problem ? |
| 17:22.16 | jclinton | Digital_Pioneer, you have to mount it |
| 17:22.17 | yoo_ | ehci_hcd 0000:00:10.3: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 |
| 17:22.17 | yoo_ | irq 11: nobody cared! |
| 17:22.28 | iNAP | anyone? |
| 17:22.34 | yoo_ | ehci_hcd 0000:00:10.3: Unlink after no-IRQ? Different ACPI or APIC settings may |
| 17:22.35 | yoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.43 | Woody^working | jclinton: fu, that are 12 pages. How would it be able to do so ? |
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| 17:22.53 | azeem | iNAP: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:22.59 | Digital_Pioneer | jclinton: I have mounted it and am logged in as root. |
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| 17:23.10 | RalfG | mh. seems to be a localhost socket problem, lpq hangs too like: |
| 17:23.14 | Digital_Pioneer | jclinton: But I can't access it in Konqueror |
| 17:23.15 | jclinton | Digital_Pioneer, so if you have mounted it then it should show up where you mounted it at |
| 17:23.22 | RalfG | connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(631), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16 |
| 17:23.32 | jclinton | Digital_Pioneer, what command did you use to mount? |
| 17:23.37 | cptkwirk | is there a cache during debian installs that i can flush because when i first put the cd in it detected it, now it does not |
| 17:23.45 | jclinton | Woody^working, i don't follow? |
| 17:23.46 | Woody^working | Digital_Pioneer: Is the partition already mounted ? |
| 17:23.57 | Digital_Pioneer | Woody^working: I think so. |
| 17:24.17 | Digital_Pioneer | ls /mnt/windows returns what it should. |
| 17:24.28 | Woody^working | jclinton: I would have to write 12 pages completely new, so I wondered if there would be the "hard way" too somehow. I wondered if you could point it out to me. |
| 17:24.39 | Digital_Pioneer | A list of files and folders in my 'C:\' when I'm running Windows. |
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| 17:24.58 | Digital_Pioneer | But if I try to enter /mnt/windows from Konqueror, it says I don't have the rights.' |
| 17:25.22 | jclinton | Woody^working, the only way is to decompress the PS file and edit it directly |
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| 17:25.26 | Woody^working | Digital_Pioneer: Does "cat /proc/mounts | grep windows" tell you so ? |
| 17:25.33 | jclinton | Woody^working, with a text editor |
| 17:25.34 | cptkwirk | how do i do a modprobe for a sata hd during install? |
| 17:25.47 | jclinton | Woody^working, but very few people would have a clue how to do that |
| 17:25.47 | Woody^working | jclinton: Ok, decompress. How would I do that ? |
| 17:25.51 | Karnaugh | where is one supposed to define hostextinfo in nagios on debian? |
| 17:25.52 | Woody^working | ^^ kk |
| 17:25.57 | markybob | cptkwirk, the installer does it for you if it detects it via discover. are you using linux26 to boot? |
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| 17:26.00 | Woody^working | ok, I will just rewrite it. |
| 17:26.12 | Karnaugh | I created a hostextinfo.cfg and added it to /etc/nagios/nagios.cfg |
| 17:26.24 | cptkwirk | yes |
| 17:26.30 | Woody^working | jclinton: I thank you 4 help. |
| 17:26.33 | Karnaugh | but it just says Error: Invalid object definition type 'hostextinfo' in file '/etc/nagios/hostextinfo.cfg' |
| 17:26.37 | Digital_Pioneer | Woody^working: It says something. |
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| 17:26.48 | Aghaster | hi |
| 17:26.50 | Woody^working | Digital_Pioneer: Ok, then it is mounted |
| 17:26.52 | Karnaugh | is the nagios in debian just on crack or is there something else one is supposed to do ? |
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| 17:26.55 | Digital_Pioneer | OK. |
| 17:27.05 | Digital_Pioneer | How do I make it accessible from Konqueror? |
| 17:27.14 | Woody^working | Digital_Pioneer: Do you have to nessusary rights for accessing /mnt/windows ? |
| 17:27.15 | markybob | cptkwirk, then odds are you just arent supported. you try try manually, by using modprobe sata_nv or sata_sis or whatever it is that you have |
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| 17:27.23 | oskude | Karnaugh, then your syntax is propably wrong, check for typos |
| 17:27.23 | Digital_Pioneer | Woody^working: No. |
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| 17:27.36 | Digital_Pioneer | Woody^working: How can I make Konqueror recognize me as root? |
| 17:27.38 | Woody^working | TEll me "ls -lhd /mnt/windows" |
| 17:27.44 | cptkwirk | i here sata_sil works |
| 17:27.53 | Woody^working | Digital_Pioneer: Why would you want that ? |
| 17:27.59 | cptkwirk | do i just type modprobe sata_sil in a debug boot prompt? |
| 17:28.03 | markybob | cptkwirk, then do it. alt_f2 to get to a command prompt and modprobe it |
| 17:28.11 | Digital_Pioneer | So I can access /mnt/windows in it! |
| 17:28.17 | oskude | Karnaugh, i did my graduate work with nagios, but its over an year away, and i never uses nagios since :) |
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| 17:28.43 | Karnaugh | oskude: the syntax seems fine |
| 17:28.44 | Woody^working | Just add /dev/<partition_of_windows> to /etc/pmount.allow and you don't have any problems with mounting it again. But make sure you delete the proper line from /etc/fstab |
| 17:28.54 | Karnaugh | oskude: at least, when comparing it to the nagios docs |
| 17:29.09 | oskude | Karnaugh, hmm, ill try to find my papers... |
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| 17:29.17 | Woody^working | Digital_Pioneer: Then mount with "pmount /dev/hd?? windows" and access it with "cd /media/windows" |
| 17:29.22 | oskude | Karnaugh, as i did it with debian... |
| 17:29.30 | jclinton | pmount is a beautiful thing |
| 17:29.31 | cptkwirk | does anyone else here have the ATI SB400 (southbridge) and RS482 (Northbridge) chipset |
| 17:29.54 | Woody^working | jclinton: indeed |
| 17:29.56 | jclinton | cptkwirk, i do in my laptop |
| 17:29.59 | wols | !anyone |
| 17:30.13 | wols | apt tell cptkwirk about anyone |
| 17:30.38 | harleyg | svn package name in debian is? |
| 17:30.57 | Woody^working | cptkwirk: tell me the chipset and not the code-name then I can maybe help you. |
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| 17:31.06 | jclinton | harleyg, aptitude search svn |
| 17:31.09 | kspath | harleyg: apt-cache search svn |
| 17:31.17 | wols | Woody^working: latest ATI chipset |
| 17:31.23 | cptkwirk | ati chipset |
| 17:31.28 | harleyg | not for me |
| 17:31.30 | harleyg | for a god damn retard who dont understand |
| 17:31.35 | harleyg | think i wanna search for him? |
| 17:31.41 | jclinton | do you think we do? |
| 17:31.47 | wols | cptkwirk: but you don't wanna know who runs it. you have a problem, state that problem instead of asking dumb questions |
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| 17:31.58 | cptkwirk | jclinton how did you get debian to install did you have any problems? |
| 17:32.13 | Digital_Pioneer | Woody^working: OK, one sec. |
| 17:32.13 | Aghaster | i just installed debian |
| 17:32.13 | kspath | harleyg: if you plan on using svn for a while you should know it is fullname subversion |
| 17:32.18 | Aghaster | and when i wanna do sudo bash |
| 17:32.19 | cptkwirk | wols i have already stated my problem |
| 17:32.22 | harleyg | i can use svn |
| 17:32.24 | jclinton | cptkwirk, stable doesn't work; i installed unstable/testing |
| 17:32.25 | Aghaster | it tells me my account is not listed in the sudoers file |
| 17:32.31 | harleyg | i need it for a god damn retard |
| 17:32.33 | jclinton | cptkwirk, used the etch beta 1 installer |
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| 17:32.41 | Aghaster | where is the sudoer file and will i be able to edit it if i cannot get su^ |
| 17:32.43 | Aghaster | ? |
| 17:32.46 | cptkwirk | jclinton ok thanks i will try that |
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| 17:33.32 | Ronin | eww making me scroll up? heh |
| 17:33.36 | cptkwirk | jclinton i tried that i think actually |
| 17:33.47 | Digital_Pioneer | Woody^working: Device is not removable. |
| 17:33.53 | jclinton | cptkwirk, the only problem i had was the clock ran at 2x speed |
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| 17:33.56 | Woody^working | wols: Ok, I don't buy the newest hardware. But use "lspci | grep 'Host bridge'" or something simular for telling all the nessuary information about your chipset. |
| 17:34.03 | cptkwirk | the first time i tried to install it recognized the hd but now it does not |
| 17:34.04 | jclinton | cptkwirk, that can be fixed though |
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| 17:34.11 | cptkwirk | it just says munually partition table |
| 17:34.17 | cptkwirk | and nothing is shown |
| 17:34.23 | jclinton | cptkwirk, try the beta 2 installer then |
| 17:34.25 | Woody^working | Digital_Pioneer: umount the device |
| 17:34.26 | cptkwirk | jclinton i have heard about that |
| 17:34.36 | wols | Woody^working: I don't have that chipset. he has apparently sata probs. /me points to cptkwirk |
| 17:34.37 | cptkwirk | alright jclinton do you know where i could find that? |
| 17:34.39 | Digital_Pioneer | Already did. |
| 17:34.56 | jclinton | cptkwirk, the debian-installer page at debian.org |
| 17:35.00 | mikefoo | anyone know off hand if I have to do anything server wise for me to enable server so I can serial in? |
| 17:35.24 | cptkwirk | jclinton if i used that would i be able to install the stable unofficial sarge release? i have a business and i can't have anything to buggy on the desktop |
| 17:35.39 | Woody^working | wols: sorry, messed it up then. |
| 17:35.42 | jclinton | cptkwirk, no, only testing |
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| 17:35.45 | Karnaugh | oskude: seems i was defining it in the wrong place :} |
| 17:35.49 | jclinton | cptkwirk, but testing is pretty dang stable |
| 17:35.54 | Karnaugh | oskude: needed to go into cgi.cfg, not nagios.cfg |
| 17:36.02 | wols | mikefoo: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/ |
| 17:36.05 | Karnaugh | thanks for the help anyway |
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| 17:36.14 | wols | involves inittab changes |
| 17:36.25 | cptkwirk | jclinton alright i will try it |
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| 17:38.02 | oskude | im an "orga-nightmare" doh... |
| 17:38.22 | kimo__ | I'd like a mm kernel, the debian way is to 'get linux-source; patch it; mk-kpkg out of it', right ? |
| 17:38.39 | wols | kimo__: ignore the patching part |
| 17:38.51 | wols | but make menuconfig;make-kpkg is good |
| 17:39.21 | kimo__ | wols: I want a MM kernel, how can I ignore the patching part? |
| 17:39.21 | nvz | wols: ignore teh patching? |
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| 17:39.55 | kimo__ | should I use 'linux-patch-debian' in some way ? |
| 17:40.03 | wols | oops. thought it gives out full kernels with mm patches preapplied. mea culpa, sorry |
| 17:40.27 | wols | kimo__: I don't if I patch something in (like L7 filtering) |
| 17:40.35 | nvz | not that I know of *shrug* |
| 17:40.51 | nvz | afaik there are various patches of interest that you could apply |
| 17:40.58 | kimo__ | wols: have u made any pkgs with MM pre-applied that I can use :) |
| 17:41.06 | Digital_Pioneer | Woody^working: Not really working... |
| 17:41.17 | nvz | kimo__: with or without the root? |
| 17:41.36 | Digital_Pioneer | Woody^working: I can't get it to pmount. |
| 17:41.46 | Digital_Pioneer | Woody^working: I've already umounted it. |
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| 17:41.59 | wols | kimo__: no. last time I used mm was in 2.5.x days |
| 17:42.28 | kimo__ | nvz: sorry which root ? |
| 17:42.48 | Woody^working | Digital_Pioneer: "umount /mnt/windows" |
| 17:43.05 | Digital_Pioneer | Woody^working: umount: /mnt/windows: not mounted |
| 17:43.25 | Woody^working | Digital_Pioneer: you should read the manual, but everything declared in /etc/pmount.allow will be treatet as everybody can mount block devices. |
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| 17:43.54 | kimo__ | gentoo has all sorts of patched kernels in official trees :) Wish debian would provide them too |
| 17:43.55 | nvz | you dont take binary kernels from unverifyable sources. |
| 17:44.05 | Woody^working | Digital_Pioneer: fuu, it has to be removable. |
| 17:44.12 | nvz | debian kernels are on probably a million pcs |
| 17:44.14 | unstable | kimo__: /part #debian and /join #gentoo |
| 17:44.21 | Digital_Pioneer | Woody^working: 8-| |
| 17:44.38 | Woody^working | Digital_Pioneer: What is the bug, what does it tell you ? |
| 17:44.38 | kimo__ | unstable: do I need to for wanting to improve debian! |
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| 17:44.52 | nvz | unstable: wrong answer. |
| 17:44.57 | Digital_Pioneer | Woody^working: Pardon? |
| 17:45.15 | nvz | kimo__: do you need to find a mentor and become a developer and package kernels. |
| 17:45.18 | kspath | rice rice ricer |
| 17:45.26 | Woody^working | Digital_Pioneer: If you try to mount it with "pmount" what does pmount tell you ? |
| 17:45.34 | kimo__ | nvz: well, I could be willing to do it |
| 17:45.40 | kimo__ | nvz: please go on |
| 17:45.45 | Digital_Pioneer | Woody^working: Error: device /dev/hda2 is not removable |
| 17:45.48 | wols | kimo__: providing a gazillion kernels is useless. just takes lots of DD ressources for no gain |
| 17:45.49 | nvz | kimo__: hopefully you do well or people will mf you on a regular basis |
| 17:46.08 | wols | nvz: "mf you"? |
| 17:46.13 | Woody^working | Digital_Pioneer: Ok, that is the error. You then should add it to /etc/fstab :-( |
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| 17:46.26 | Digital_Pioneer | Woody^working: OK. |
| 17:46.33 | kspath | MF == Mind F**K ? |
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| 17:46.39 | kimo__ | so if I make it, will it be accepted in sid? |
| 17:46.44 | prp | hello, i have 2 linux systems now, one that is a little mail/web server, and the other that is a base install, just installed lilo and some basic pkgs.. how do i move all the stuff from the server to this new hdd |
| 17:46.47 | Woody^working | But be sure that "/mnt" and "/mnt/windows" both have the nessuary rights for you. |
| 17:46.54 | nvz | wols: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motherfucker |
| 17:47.21 | wols | thank you. please note the proper abbreviation of "motherfucker" is "mofo". thank you |
| 17:47.34 | nvz | heh |
| 17:47.43 | blondie | can I get iptables to block IPs that have repeated sshd login failures? |
| 17:47.49 | kspath | yes |
| 17:47.56 | stew | blondie: look at the fail2ban pacakge |
| 17:48.02 | blondie | k |
| 17:48.33 | shining | these ssh brute force are silly |
| 17:48.40 | Digital_Pioneer | Woody^working: How do I give it the necessary rights? |
| 17:48.44 | kspath | blondie: You can also script it yourself or use another tool. You can null route, tcp wrappers, and/or firewall |
| 17:48.46 | nvz | this chair is pissing me off, I have no idea how I keep tipping over.. I am loosing wheels while sitting on the chair.. and the peg goes up into the damn chair.. gravity and my 185lb ass should keep it in there |
| 17:48.47 | kimo__ | blondie: or sshfilter, or sshdeny (new article on debianadministration.org), or make iptables rate limit the logins |
| 17:48.49 | markybob | blondie, that's what shellter does |
| 17:49.03 | blondie | lots of responses :) |
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| 17:49.20 | shining | ppl doing that should all kill themselves for having nothing better to do. same goes for spammer |
| 17:49.27 | markybob | blondie, http://shellter.sf.net it makes iptables rules to block it after a specified number of attempts |
| 17:49.38 | prp | so can anybody give me any help on moving a debian instalation from a 4gb hdd to a 20gb.. ? |
| 17:49.40 | nvz | shining: if only that worked |
| 17:50.05 | shining | well, if they don't want to do it themselves, other people could do it |
| 17:50.07 | kspath | shining: I will bet most of that is automated and only reports back when it gets one. |
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| 17:50.44 | kspath | shining: what kind of moron does it and even more interesting what kind of moron would do it from their own machine/IP. |
| 17:51.00 | nvz | Bullets Over IP |
| 17:51.10 | jclinton | prp, you can do an rsync as long as you are sure to get stuff mounted in the right places |
| 17:51.20 | jclinton | prp, it's pretty advanced though |
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| 17:51.35 | nvz | not as advanced as BOIP |
| 17:51.49 | kspath | blondie: much of the automated attacks will just try port 22 |
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| 17:52.06 | kimo__ | guys, I have fully functional debian in a chroot install, how can I boot it? |
| 17:52.09 | question | hi everyone |
| 17:52.13 | kspath | blondie: if you move it to another IP it will reduce to a subset of attacks. |
| 17:52.15 | question | who can help me? |
| 17:52.20 | kimo__ | question: just ask |
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| 17:52.25 | wols | kimo__: install and configure grub |
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| 17:52.31 | kspath | blondie: if you move it to another port sorry still not awake yet. |
| 17:52.32 | Woody^working | Digital_Pioneer: They should be 755. Then best mount it while booting. |
| 17:52.34 | kimo__ | wols: I have grub from suse |
| 17:52.40 | question | pl? |
| 17:52.43 | nvz | heh too bad dpkg isnt here, that could be qotd material |
| 17:52.45 | kimo__ | wols: I need to mount /boot & install some kernel, right ? |
| 17:52.55 | kimo__ | question: ask your question please |
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| 17:53.01 | Digital_Pioneer | Woody^working: How do I set permissions to 755? |
| 17:53.10 | nvz | "12:52 < kimo__> question: just ask 12:52 < kimo__> question: ask your question please" |
| 17:53.13 | markybob | Digital_Pioneer, seriously, man chmod |
| 17:53.26 | prp | jclinton: is there any howto on how to use rsync to do that |
| 17:53.27 | Woody^working | Digital_Pioneer: chmod -R 755 /mnt |
| 17:53.29 | question | i need to install debian sarge |
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| 17:53.35 | Ronin | question: yes |
| 17:53.39 | question | and i have questions |
| 17:53.40 | markybob | question, then go read the installation manual |
| 17:53.55 | shining | lol |
| 17:53.58 | markybob | question, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 17:54.00 | kspath | blondie: if you have the resources than set up a tarpit for the anuses that are brute forcing. Make them open up new connections though obviously |
| 17:54.03 | Ronin | or just ask the questions already |
| 17:54.06 | Woody^working | Digital_Pioneer: read man 8 mount |
| 17:54.10 | jclinton | prp, good question -- i don't know about that |
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| 17:54.20 | question | ok, but i have more hard questions |
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| 17:54.27 | jclinton | prp, i learned how to do that from the install instructions for gentoo |
| 17:54.33 | markybob | question, you havent asked a damn thing yet |
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| 17:54.38 | shining | question: you aren't a troll for real? |
| 17:54.40 | tomas_busy | hi everyone |
| 17:54.40 | Ronin | question: well seeing as you havnt asked anythign yet |
| 17:54.49 | tomas_busy | is there anyone with knowledge in firewire? |
| 17:54.55 | prp | jclinton: can you help me on how to do that then... |
| 17:55.00 | kspath | blondie: you can set up a dummy on port 22 and have your reall ssh on port 2222 or some such |
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| 17:55.07 | shining | question: I hope you are one (for you) |
| 17:55.07 | jclinton | prp, i have time to give you a synopsis |
| 17:55.24 | question | i have 4 partitions c,d,e,f |
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| 17:55.32 | prp | jclinton: i am all ears |
| 17:55.39 | httpdss | is there any breezy-->(debian testing or unstable) howto ?? |
| 17:55.41 | question | on c i have windows xp |
| 17:55.49 | question | d is free |
| 17:56.05 | markybob | question, dont spit up your question/statements between various lines. type it all in at once or else no one will care to follow you |
| 17:56.08 | question | and e,f i have multimedia files |
| 17:56.11 | Ronin | httpdss: breezy? isnt that ubuntu? |
| 17:56.16 | shining | httpdss: I can make one : insert debian cd, boot, and follow instructions |
| 17:56.17 | question | ok |
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| 17:56.23 | kimo__ | question: if this is your first time with Linux, please consider a live Linux CD, or think about other Linux distros |
| 17:56.29 | tomas_ | my sony handycam works perfectly in kino but i would like to use it as a webcam (as i do in windows) but the problem is that amsn or kopete doesnt detect it |
| 17:56.37 | sparr | Is there any functionality in dpkg/debconf to provide an "are you sure?" prompt when an upgrade to a program will invalidate old saved data? |
| 17:56.39 | wols | httpdss: no. you run a totally differen OS |
| 17:56.40 | tomas_ | can anyone tell me how to do that? |
| 17:56.43 | jclinton | prp, mount /dev/newdrive3 /mnt/newdrive, mkdir /mnt/newdrive/boot, mount /dev/newdrive1 /mnt/newdrive/boot |
| 17:57.26 | httpdss | Ronin: yes, i want to go from ubuntu breezy to debian testing |
| 17:57.28 | question | 4 partitions c,d,e,f c-windows xp d - free e,f - files. Can i install debian on disc d? |
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| 17:57.41 | shining | httpdss: do as I said... |
| 17:57.43 | oskude | can it be that "noatime" in fstab for "/", or killing "/usr/bin/hald ..." cause file system errors ? |
| 17:57.45 | jclinton | prp, rsync --exclude=/sys --exclude=/dev --exclude=/proc -a --progress / /mnt/newdrive/ |
| 17:57.46 | Ronin | httpdss: thats easy then,back up what you want to keep, dl the net install, reboot machine and install |
| 17:57.48 | markybob | question, yes. the installer will ask you where to install it to. |
| 17:57.53 | dvm1981_lptp | I have installed the laptop with an PS/2 mouse, now when i boot without that PS/2 mouse, the kernel panik; Like i have solvet the touchpad tapmode, i not more need an external mouse. Where must i look to disable the PS2 mouse? |
| 17:57.57 | blondie | thanks for all the suggestions |
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| 17:58.07 | httpdss | shining: ok, so there isnt any way to do it through source.list ? |
| 17:58.19 | kspath | blondie: do you need 20-30 more? |
| 17:58.19 | shining | httpdss: well try and break it |
| 17:58.28 | jclinton | prp, after it's done you need to create the sys, dev and proc directories and then swap the drive positions so that hdb becomes hda before you try to boot it |
| 17:58.32 | shining | httpdss: then you'll have to reinstall anyway, so it'll be fine |
| 17:58.35 | httpdss | shining: :D |
| 17:58.38 | markybob | blondie, i wrote shellter. really, that's what you want to use. ;) |
| 17:58.41 | jclinton | prp oh and be sure to run the grub installer on the master boot record |
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| 17:58.43 | shining | just burn a debian cd first |
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| 17:58.48 | question | and how i have to do to choose from win xp and linux in boot system? |
| 17:58.49 | blondie | kspath: do you have that many? |
| 17:59.01 | jclinton | prp: you should do all of that from a boot CD though |
| 17:59.05 | markybob | question, the installer will install grub which will give you an option at boot time |
| 17:59.06 | Ronin | question: im guessing english isnt your native language? |
| 17:59.09 | jclinton | prp doing it from a running system could be disasterous |
| 17:59.17 | kspath | blondie: not at the moment. My mind/memory is full stop or full throttle. Sorry |
| 17:59.23 | question | yes i'm from poland |
| 17:59.25 | oskude | i just mounted a cd and then tried "eject" with gnome (right click) and cpu went 100% and "freezed" the HD (couldnt use any commands and so) |
| 17:59.28 | Ronin | !pl |
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| 17:59.30 | httpdss | ok thx ... answered question .. :P .. |
| 17:59.32 | Ronin | damn it |
| 17:59.39 | markybob | Ronin, stupid bot's struggling today |
| 17:59.39 | jclinton | prp, HTH |
| 17:59.46 | Ronin | there a polish debian channel? |
| 17:59.46 | shining | oskude: weird |
| 17:59.54 | oskude | ill try to reproduce |
| 17:59.56 | kspath | Nie wiem. |
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| 18:00.11 | blondie | markybob: I see |
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| 18:00.45 | kspath | #debian.pl or #debian-pl exist? |
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| 18:01.07 | Aghaster | kspath: let him speak bad english, at least he'll improve his language |
| 18:01.18 | kspath | his English |
| 18:01.19 | Ronin | Aghaster: sadist |
| 18:01.23 | Aghaster | lol |
| 18:01.27 | question | thx |
| 18:01.31 | Aghaster | english isn't my native language either |
| 18:01.36 | Aghaster | mine is french |
| 18:01.39 | shining | do many ppl have a correct english here? (I don't) |
| 18:01.58 | Ronin | shining: correctish |
| 18:01.58 | kspath | Mov po Angliesku tu ty |
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| 18:02.15 | shining | well compared to the proportion of native |
| 18:02.16 | Aghaster | ma langue maternelle est le français mais j'ai bien appris mon anglais ;) |
| 18:02.24 | dvm1981_lptp | Aghaster: And like on the #debian-fr it's not nice :-/ |
| 18:02.35 | Aghaster | lol |
| 18:02.39 | Ronin | Digital_Pioneer: thats ok we speak english but we do understand american |
| 18:02.41 | Aghaster | i don't go to -fr channels |
| 18:02.42 | oskude | hmm, cant reproduce... propably a glitch in the matrix ;) |
| 18:02.45 | kspath | Digital_Pioneer: pride is not a good thing much of the time. |
| 18:02.49 | Aghaster | i get better help in english speaking channels |
| 18:02.57 | mrverbose | I'm running ntp-server, can i specify the interfaces for the service to listen on? |
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| 18:03.04 | Digital_Pioneer | kspath: It's not bad to be proud of your citizenship. |
| 18:03.16 | question | thanks for all. bye |
| 18:03.17 | kimo__ | does anyone know where to buy good sendmail training material |
| 18:03.17 | dvm1981_lptp | Aghaster: And the boys here better :-) |
| 18:03.19 | Digital_Pioneer | Ronin: Not much difference. |
| 18:03.22 | kspath | Digital_Pioneer: Yes, it often is. |
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| 18:03.31 | nkuttler | #politics |
| 18:03.33 | Ronin | Digital_Pioneer: heh no comment :) |
| 18:03.37 | Aghaster | lol |
| 18:03.47 | Digital_Pioneer | kspath: To a confused mind. But let's not get into that. :-) |
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| 18:04.06 | Digital_Pioneer | nkuttler: Hmm... ;-) |
| 18:04.30 | kspath | nkuttler: more like #logic or #philosophy |
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| 18:04.56 | Digital_Pioneer | nkuttler: kspath: Or #stupid-arguments |
| 18:05.16 | nvz | kspath: more like #lostit or #philostophy |
| 18:05.38 | kon | anybody knows how to fix this? http://pastebin.com/576980 |
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| 18:06.03 | kspath | pride and honour and many other words carry a VERY deep meaning in many cultures if anyone were to ever care. |
| 18:06.22 | nkuttler | everybody seems to agree it's off-topic |
| 18:06.52 | nvz | no contest, you're a winner *plonk* :P |
| 18:06.53 | Gathond | kon: your mysql apparently does not understand that option 'old_passwords=1', either remove it or fix it |
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| 18:07.04 | Aghaster | :P |
| 18:07.17 | T0lkman | anyone can help with installing? |
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| 18:07.27 | T0lkman | i have sata2 and 945pl chipset |
| 18:07.37 | Aghaster | installing debian? the installer is very intuitive |
| 18:07.41 | T0lkman | debian can't see ethernet and hard disks ;[ |
| 18:07.41 | unstable | T0lkman: I doubt anyone can help you if you don't ask a question. |
| 18:07.55 | kimo__ | I need to give training on sendmail, anyone knows where to download/buy good training material ? |
| 18:08.00 | nvz | T0lkman: what were we installing exactly? |
| 18:08.05 | T0lkman | ubuntu installs smothly |
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| 18:08.31 | Aghaster | T0lkman: describe the problem, give us more info. like what hardware isn't detected |
| 18:08.40 | Digital_Pioneer | Woody^working: OK, I did that.... Still can't access in Konqueror. |
| 18:08.40 | starfishy | maybe the etch installer would work? |
| 18:08.42 | T0lkman | debian stable/testing both of version, i am installing on pc (msi 945pl neo + sata2 two hard drives) |
| 18:08.55 | wols | tombs: you need a newer kernel |
| 18:09.16 | T0lkman | during installation on network detection, it fails, says no eth0 was found |
| 18:09.16 | tombs | wols: ? |
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| 18:09.30 | shining | tombs: .. |
| 18:09.41 | kon | Gathond: it says this is needed for compatibility reasons... is this a bug that this options doesnt work? i havent changed anything |
| 18:09.47 | Woody^working | Digital_Pioneer: Did you mount the device ? What does Konqueror do and say about this failure ? |
| 18:10.04 | Gathond | kon: I think they removed the option at one point in new versions |
| 18:10.16 | kon | Gathond: ok thanks |
| 18:10.33 | starfishy | t0lkman: put in a supported network card until the installation is completed and then get a newer kernel |
| 18:10.36 | T0lkman | i took from ubuntu r3169.ko (realtek 6139) i guess it comes with my motherboard, tried to modprobe it during debian installation but it writes me on (alt+f4) module format error |
| 18:10.41 | wols | tombs: nick complete. should#ve been T0lkman |
| 18:10.43 | Gathond | kon: however at just around that time I stopped using mysqld, but unless you actually use the old password style I don't think it should be a problem just removing it |
| 18:10.44 | foKs|ZzZZ | hi i'm just wondering what kernel is should use for my server 4 x opteron CPU? |
| 18:10.48 | wols | stupid l337 nicks like his |
| 18:11.01 | wols | foKs|ZzZZ: k7 or k8 depending what you have |
| 18:11.08 | tombs | wols, np :) |
| 18:11.19 | markybob | foKs|ZzZZ, ask in #debian-amd64 |
| 18:11.27 | wols | T0lkman: tried a 2.6.15 kernel for installing? |
| 18:11.28 | shining | tombs: that was obvious btw |
| 18:11.28 | kon | Gathond: thanks for the info! |
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| 18:11.47 | T0lkman | starfishy i have no network cards except this one which built in |
| 18:11.55 | tombs | shining, I was not following the conversation :) |
| 18:12.03 | foKs|ZzZZ | markybob: ok i will |
| 18:12.05 | T0lkman | wols where can i find, iso with 2.6.15? |
| 18:12.09 | foKs|ZzZZ | thx wols |
| 18:12.23 | T0lkman | wols i have tried all of distributives of debian ;[ |
| 18:12.33 | T0lkman | the last one "testing" has 2.6.12 |
| 18:12.40 | shining | T0lkman: well if ubuntu works for you, just stick with it atm |
| 18:13.19 | markybob | T0lkman, the daily isos http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:13.20 | T0lkman | shining i can't install ubuntu on our server ;[ |
| 18:13.23 | kimo__ | T0lkman: what brand is ur NIC ? |
| 18:13.37 | T0lkman | kimo__ realtek 6139 |
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| 18:14.09 | T0lkman | markybob one hour ago i have downloaded it http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1a-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 18:14.13 | T0lkman | from your link |
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| 18:14.36 | T0lkman | it has 2.6.12 kernel and doesn't support sata2,my NIC |
| 18:14.46 | markybob | T0lkman, that's debian stable. if you want 2.6.15, which you just asked for, you'll need the daily isos which is for testing |
| 18:14.49 | Aegir | how to disable screen saving in text mode please ? |
| 18:15.31 | T0lkman | markybob i tried testing i think.. |
| 18:15.40 | markybob | T0lkman, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso that, to be specific. |
| 18:15.42 | T0lkman | debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 18:15.46 | T0lkman | ye it is |
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| 18:15.54 | Aghaster | sorry for being a bit noob, but i just downloaded an extracted the latest firefox version. the binaries it contains are working, but now i'd like to install it |
| 18:15.56 | Aghaster | how can i do so? |
| 18:15.59 | rvalles | I ping the broadcast address on my network and the debian boxes do not answer |
| 18:16.13 | rvalles | why is that? how can I disable that behaviour and make them answer? |
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| 18:16.48 | Aghaster | is there any program files equivalent in linux? |
| 18:17.35 | Ronin | Aghaster: you dont want to do apt-get install mozilla-firefox? |
| 18:17.41 | oskude | Aghaster, in your case "/usr/local/bin" or maybe even "/opt" (but im a noob too:) |
| 18:18.00 | T0lkman | so anyideas? |
| 18:18.04 | markybob | T0lkman, you shouldnt be using businesscard if you've got hardware that it isnt detecting netinstall has more support built-in |
| 18:18.14 | Gathond | Aghaster: as such no, but /usr/local/ are probably the closest thing |
| 18:18.17 | T0lkman | markybob ok i will try |
| 18:18.20 | Aghaster | Ronin: the version included in my repository is old. i want 1.5 |
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| 18:18.27 | shining | Aghaster: yep, it's better to stick with deb package |
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| 18:18.33 | markybob | T0lkman, i can only tell you so many times to use the *daily* netinst. not beta one or anything like that. this exact one http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:18.41 | Ronin | Aghaster: there some special reason why? other then its the newest |
| 18:19.01 | T0lkman | markybob i started download it now.. |
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| 18:19.17 | Aghaster | Ronin: i guess there is a way to get latest packages instead of only stable ones? |
| 18:19.24 | T0lkman | the ubuntu perfect distr, but i didn't find in his repositories mysql5 |
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| 18:19.28 | Aghaster | because this is the stable release, and lots of pakages are old |
| 18:19.44 | oskude | old != bad |
| 18:19.45 | T0lkman | and when i tried install it from the sources, it works but no good;[ |
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| 18:20.35 | Ronin | Aghaster: so thats way its called stable, i use it on my desktop along with firefox and i havent' hit anything yet the makes me want to muck about with compiling the latest firefox |
| 18:20.41 | oskude | T0lkman, maybe install ubuntu minimal and dist-upgrade to debian... |
| 18:21.15 | Aghaster | Ronin: it just annoys me to have older versions. i like to have the latest. like i installed xchat from synaptic and its version 2.4.2 |
| 18:21.21 | Aghaster | 2.6.2 is out |
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| 18:21.27 | Aghaster | and its not unstable |
| 18:21.38 | T0lkman | but i have heard that it is no good idea apt-get from debian in ubuntu |
| 18:21.40 | unstable | oskude: THat is a very very bad idea. |
| 18:21.56 | Ronin | Aghaster: so? having the latest isnt always the best but if thats how you feel then maybe you should go the whole 9 yards and upgrade to etch |
| 18:22.03 | oskude | unstable, well, i would say the VERY last idea :) |
| 18:22.11 | shining | Aghaster: you aren't alone with this wrong attitude |
| 18:22.23 | neoXite | hi, i just had a problem with sarge server that ran on a 3ware sata raid5, a disk failed and the spare kicked in, and the array was rebuilt. but then debian crashed. |
| 18:22.37 | Aghaster | Ronin: but how about me wanting a feature that isnt in the version given to me by the sable repository? |
| 18:22.38 | T0lkman | but it is weird, one of the biggest distr. cannot find my hardware ;[ even new ubuntu does |
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| 18:22.50 | neoXite | i found out the array rebuild had remapped the logical volume from target0 to target1 |
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| 18:23.01 | T0lkman | if here are some developers, i said for you;] |
| 18:23.03 | neoXite | is it supposed to do that? |
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| 18:23.19 | Aghaster | Ronin: what other repositories exist than the stable one? |
| 18:23.20 | Andy298 | blondie: you suggested some backup software a while ago - can i ask your recommendation again? |
| 18:23.35 | shining | T0lkman: just get older hw :) the older, the better. just like softwares :) |
| 18:23.43 | Ronin | Aghaster: well if you have to ask you shouldn't go this route but theres etch/testing sid/unstable |
| 18:23.50 | schrankwand | hi, is there an open source app for accounting? |
| 18:24.08 | Aghaster | what's the difference between testing and unstable? |
| 18:24.09 | T0lkman | shining you suggest me downgrade the p4-dual core to p2 ;]? |
| 18:24.11 | markybob | schrankwand, ever heard of freshmeat.net? |
| 18:24.15 | nvz | schrankwand: sure like personal or business? |
| 18:24.20 | markybob | Aghaster, about two weeks, give or take |
| 18:24.25 | shining | T0lkman: yep |
| 18:24.33 | Aghaster | ok |
| 18:24.34 | blondie | Andy298: rdiff-backup? |
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| 18:24.48 | nvz | !info kmymoney2 sarge |
| 18:24.58 | nvz | ~info kmymoney2 sarge |
| 18:25.00 | Andy298 | blondie: thanks |
| 18:25.20 | T0lkman | oh ok i leave the debian zone, i'll install gentoo and forget of the debian ;[ |
| 18:25.27 | oskude | omg |
| 18:25.34 | Coweater | ok |
| 18:25.35 | shining | T0lkman: good idea |
| 18:25.50 | nvz | shining: is he whining about package optimizations? |
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| 18:26.03 | markybob | T0lkman, good call. before trying what we suggested, just give up and leave |
| 18:26.10 | oskude | T0lkman, why cant you use ubuntu if it works ? |
| 18:26.15 | shining | nvz: no, just his bleeding hw not supported |
| 18:26.15 | Coweater | nvz: he can't find his hardware |
| 18:26.23 | Andy298 | blondie: can you confirm the rdiff-backup usage please? to back up /etc /home and /var to a second HDD |
| 18:26.31 | schrankwand | nvz: buisness. i need i it for my dad. he has a store and i want migrate him to use a free os instead of windblows |
| 18:26.39 | schrankwand | ;) |
| 18:26.41 | markybob | what the hell. it's not sunday, wtf is going on in this channel today? |
| 18:27.09 | nvz | who knows sleep sounds good |
| 18:27.13 | starfishy | schrankwand: there is something called MyBooks |
| 18:27.23 | starfishy | i think it was appgen software that makes it |
| 18:27.31 | starfishy | its US accounting, though |
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| 18:27.50 | Aegir | how to disable screen saving in text mode please ? |
| 18:27.51 | blondie | Andy298: its like cp |
| 18:27.57 | starfishy | you seem to be in Germany, so it may or may not work |
| 18:27.59 | jebstark_ | I'm unable to find a guide on how to install Debian via the LAN(to boot via the LAN). I need to do this since the cdrom, floppy refuse to work. any pointers? |
| 18:28.14 | jfs | schrankwand: your nick rocks. (: |
| 18:28.27 | starfishy | it does |
| 18:28.34 | markybob | jebstark_, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 18:28.54 | kimo__ | jebstark_: u might have luck with debootstrap |
| 18:28.55 | oskude | Aegir, you mean xscreensaver ? killall xscreensaver ;) |
| 18:29.01 | starfishy | schrankwand: you may want to ask in #debian.de, maybe they know whether mybooks works for Germany |
| 18:29.03 | schrankwand | jfs: thanks ;) |
| 18:29.08 | jebstark_ | kimo: ok |
| 18:29.09 | T0lkman | oskude ubuntu it for desktop'] |
| 18:29.41 | nvz | and let me guess you keep your pc on the floor |
| 18:29.42 | nvz | heh |
| 18:29.43 | Aegir | oskude: no, in text mode, the screen goes blank after a while. |
| 18:30.14 | kspath | DPMS? |
| 18:30.26 | oskude | Aegir, ah ok, sry no idea. dunno how that is even called, so you could google |
| 18:30.37 | nvz | setterm -blank 0 |
| 18:30.37 | schrankwand | starfishy: good idea. Btw: mybooks isn't free :( but better my dad use a free os with one non-free app instead of a non-free os with multiple non-free software :) |
| 18:30.56 | jebstark_ | marky: that guide doesn't really offer any help on how to install via the network... just tells you that's possible. |
| 18:30.58 | kspath | Aegir: DPMS ? |
| 18:31.17 | nvz | Aegir: for VC in $("seq 1 6"); do setterm -blank 0 > /dev/tty$VC; done |
| 18:31.54 | Aegir | thanks ) |
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| 18:32.39 | oskude | what is the "best" way to install unstable ? |
| 18:32.52 | enot | Hi! Where does debian store wm name to start it via startx? |
| 18:33.09 | enot | i faced a strange xinitrc |
| 18:33.10 | teknowhore | i just installed with the businesscard iso for testing... and everything went perfectly well... i told it to go ahead and install grub.. but when it boots up i get the GNU GRUB version 0.97.... screen with a 'grub>' prompt |
| 18:33.11 | oskude | i do allways with dist-upgrade form stable, but wondered if theres a "better" way... |
| 18:33.23 | rvalles | When I ping the broadcast adress of my network, all my boxes answer, but the debian ones don't. What should I touch to fix that? (I want them to answer, too!) |
| 18:33.40 | starfishy | schrankwand: sometimes you have to pay if you want to get something |
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| 18:33.42 | markybob | jebstark_, is that so? checked section 4.6? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en |
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| 18:33.53 | starfishy | schrankwand, the reason why i am not using windows is not money, btw |
| 18:34.10 | nvz | enot: of course you realize /usr/bin/X11/startx is a shell script |
| 18:34.11 | starfishy | schrankwand, and mybooks is a lot cheaper than quickbooks |
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| 18:34.56 | jebstark_ | markybob: thanks! my ignorance is far too big. |
| 18:35.13 | markybob | enot, what do you want to start with startx? gnome? kde? |
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| 18:35.48 | enot | markybob, i never used debian. trying to help my mate remotely =) |
| 18:36.01 | nvz | enot: it even mentions something about "STRONGLY urged to write nicer versions |
| 18:36.06 | Aghaster | w00t! the "unstable" repository has Nvu1.0 |
| 18:36.09 | Aghaster | :) |
| 18:36.21 | nvz | enot: so I am sure reading it wouldnt hurt. |
| 18:36.22 | markybob | enot, didnt really answer my question. which wm do you want startx to load? |
| 18:36.30 | enot | he installed fluxbox |
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| 18:36.49 | Ronin | Aghaster: just a reminder its called unstable for a reason |
| 18:36.58 | enot | we cant find place startfluxbox invoked from |
| 18:37.25 | Aghaster | Ronin: I've used that same version of Nvu for months without any problems |
| 18:37.29 | Aghaster | on windows |
| 18:37.43 | Aghaster | and its not a cvs version, its 1.0 final |
| 18:37.45 | wols | enot: man update-alternatives |
| 18:37.49 | teknowhore | is it normal for the daily build discs for testing to fail and say that there are no kernel modules available?? |
| 18:38.04 | markybob | enot, add "exec fluxbox" without quotes to .xsession and see if startx will then work |
| 18:38.18 | schrankwand | starfishy: i don't said that. I only said that it isn't free. And that means that i'm not free zo use it withou the permission of somebody, that i'm not free to add a feature if my dad would need it, i'm not free to plan over long terms with this software because idon't know what the vendor will do with it. free in open source isn't meant as free like in free-beer |
| 18:38.47 | starfishy | schrankwand: the only finance software that comes to mind, that is truly GPL, is gnucash |
| 18:39.07 | sphenxes | I have installed the kernel 2.6 and I would like to downgrade to 2.4. can someone tell me how to do it in few simple steps. "newbie2 |
| 18:39.11 | loggygreg | markybob: in .xinitrc, no ? |
| 18:39.14 | oskude | teknowhore, AFAIK daily builds maybe broke, did you install grub to MBR ? |
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| 18:39.23 | markybob | loggygreg, both works. |
| 18:39.25 | starfishy | schrankwand, its always a tradeoff |
| 18:39.27 | teknowhore | oskude, of course.. |
| 18:39.34 | johnsu01 | starfishy: there is a program called ledger, for those who like using the command line and keeping information in plain text files :) |
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| 18:39.39 | teknowhore | the daily build isn't what did that though |
| 18:39.40 | starfishy | schrankwand, some stuff is only available as payware, thats the way the world is |
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| 18:40.02 | teknowhore | oskude, the etch beta 1 testing businesscard iso is the one that broke the grub |
| 18:40.12 | loggygreg | markybob: i didn't know thanks |
| 18:40.12 | oskude | teknowhore, theoretically you can write the lines (that would be loaded for menu.lst) on the grub prompt |
| 18:40.23 | starfishy | johnsu: i know about ledger, but from schrankwand's statements i assumed his dad is not very computer savvy, thus a command line app is probably not gonna cut it |
| 18:40.24 | neoXite | where would be the best irc place to ask about debian/raid related problems? |
| 18:40.28 | teknowhore | not if i don't know what they should be: |
| 18:40.30 | teknowhore | lol |
| 18:40.36 | oskude | teknowhore, well, i think beta sais it all then :) |
| 18:40.39 | Aghaster | btw, is there any way to run itunes on linux? |
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| 18:40.51 | Aghaster | or only itunes-clones solution exist? |
| 18:40.54 | schrankwand | starfishy: right :) |
| 18:40.57 | teknowhore | well... isn't the entire debian-installer system still considered 'beta' ? |
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| 18:41.22 | distrowatch | can someone please tell me a good postfix guide ? |
| 18:41.22 | easytiger | markybob: the install manual seems to have 4 useless lines on network booted installs. |
| 18:41.24 | johnsu01 | starfishy, schrankwand: yeah, ledger is probably not right for that. I've also used sql-ledger, which is just web-based, does some things but not others. |
| 18:41.25 | distrowatch | with mysql support :) and also webmail |
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| 18:41.28 | oskude | teknowhore, maybe you could check the bug tracker from beta1... |
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| 18:41.42 | oskude | teknowhore, or |
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| 18:41.57 | oskude | teknowhore, run the installer again till grub install, and reboot after that |
| 18:42.00 | markybob | distrowatch, now you're getting too demanding ;) |
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| 18:42.11 | oskude | teknowhore, or use a livecd to reinstall grub |
| 18:42.11 | distrowatch | markybob why ? |
| 18:42.38 | teknowhore | well i'm about to try burning the netinstall daily build now... we'll see how THAT goes |
| 18:42.39 | oskude | teknowhore, or write the "boot stuff" directly in the grub prompt (google) |
| 18:42.52 | markybob | distrowatch, it's a joke. have you checked out this how-to? http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_sarge |
| 18:43.02 | kspath | Aegir,nvz: pardon my extreme ignorance but would this be related: setvesablank (8) - Turn VESA screen blanking on or off |
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| 18:43.35 | Andy298 | whats the problem with this line in my crontab.... |
| 18:43.35 | Andy298 | 00 23* * *rootrdiff-backup /var /media/drive/backups/mirror/var |
| 18:43.54 | distrowatch | markybob hell yeah :) aint good enough, i also want to know how will i create mail accounts and stuff, i dont want to use ISP or whatever that is |
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| 18:44.36 | starfishy | Andy298: what is the 'root' supposed to do in there? |
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| 18:44.52 | Andy298 | thats the defined user? |
| 18:44.52 | \amethyst | Andy298: is that a user crontab or /etc/crontab ? |
| 18:44.56 | starfishy | crontab is: min hour dom mon dow command |
| 18:44.56 | wols | distrowatch: workaround.org has an excellent guide |
| 18:45.01 | oskude | teknowhore, you could start here http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2003-12/msg00003.html |
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| 18:45.02 | wols | workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 18:45.04 | starfishy | user name is _not_ supposed to be in there |
| 18:45.06 | Andy298 | in /etc/crontab |
| 18:45.12 | \amethyst | starfishy: unless it's /etc/crontab |
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| 18:45.20 | starfishy | oops |
| 18:45.25 | starfishy | yeah, you are right |
| 18:45.27 | kspath | starfishy: in an all-in-one crontab the username is included |
| 18:45.30 | starfishy | i didnt read right |
| 18:45.35 | distrowatch | wols i`ll have a look thankls |
| 18:45.57 | \amethyst | Andy298: do you get errors in the logs? |
| 18:46.07 | starfishy | i probably should get a fat book and walk around the office, banging myself on the head and singing 'dona nobis requiem' ;) |
| 18:46.13 | Andy298 | i get /etc/crontab: line 10: 17: command not found |
| 18:46.14 | markybob | distrowatch, what are you talking about? you only use ispconfig with your procmail if you want to. check and actually read page four |
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| 18:46.24 | schrankwand | starfishy, nvz, johnsu01: However I will propose kmymoney, mxbooks and gnucash to my dad. He should decide. But now he can't saay anymore that he couln't switch to linux because of he needs an accounting-app |
| 18:46.25 | kspath | starfishy: I like and dislike /etc/crontab it is nice if everyone/everthing is forced to use it because there would only be one to check |
| 18:46.26 | starfishy | andy: is the command in the path and executable? |
| 18:46.27 | c4_ | hi |
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| 18:46.43 | starfishy | i advocate personal crontabs |
| 18:46.45 | Andy298 | well i can run rdiff-backup from shell |
| 18:46.57 | nkuttler | Andy298: put the full path in crontab |
| 18:46.58 | c4_ | what package do i use to install "all" GTK stuff? |
| 18:47.05 | \amethyst | Andy298: what does which rdiff-backup say? |
| 18:47.24 | Andy298 | ... /usr/bin/rdiff-backup |
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| 18:47.48 | \amethyst | Andy298: hm... is that a script or an executable? |
| 18:47.52 | kspath | starfishy: but on a professional server you might want the policy to be everyone must use /etc/crontab else you end up having to check others. It is not a big deal but that is how it was shoved down my throat a few years ago. |
| 18:48.16 | oskude | c4_, apt-get install gtk* ;) (joke) |
| 18:48.16 | stew | c4_: what do you mean by "all"? what are you trying to do? compile something? if so, what? |
| 18:48.19 | Andy298 | \amethyst: its a program (apt-get install rdiff-backup) |
| 18:48.19 | \amethyst | kspath: But doesn't that mean users need root access to add a crontab entry? |
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| 18:48.33 | c4_ | stew: the windows manager? |
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| 18:48.48 | starfishy | on a professional server you usually have no more than one or two users |
| 18:48.49 | stew | c4_: do you mean gnome instead of gtk? |
| 18:48.54 | kspath | \amethyst: I am talking about average joe apache or MTA or whatever server. |
| 18:49.00 | distrowatch | markybob workaround.org is what i wanted |
| 18:49.01 | stew | c4_: there is no gimp window manager |
| 18:49.04 | c4_ | stew: ouch, that is gnome? |
| 18:49.12 | oskude | c4_, i used "gnome" but it allso installed mozilla and other "non" gnome stuff... |
| 18:49.14 | \amethyst | kspath: I don't have root on my web server :) |
| 18:49.15 | c4_ | stew: ok, the gnome looking |
| 18:49.18 | schrankwand | c4_: on a distribution with consistent packagenames like gentoo you would only to have install the pakage 'gtk+' ;) *cower* |
| 18:49.24 | c4_ | ok, thanks |
| 18:49.40 | markybob | Andy298, do you get any errors mailed to you from cron? |
| 18:49.53 | Andy298 | No mail for root |
| 18:50.14 | stew | c4_: gtk is the gimp tool kit, which is a widget toolkit, nothing to do with window managers, there is gnome, which is a desktop environment, not really a window manager, if that's what you are looking for then install the gnome package |
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| 18:50.33 | kspath | \amethyst: I ran a mail cluster and numerous other servers and to make things sane we standardized on /etc/crontab for FBSD and Debian boxen and others whenever possible. I still ended up having to check often because old habits die hard for everyone. |
| 18:50.33 | kimo__ | guys, trying to boot my fresh installation, it can't mount my LVM partition, do I need something special ? |
| 18:51.04 | oskude | is there allso a "meta" package that installs "only" gnome ? (not mozilla and others) |
| 18:51.06 | Andy298 | could do with a hand with aliases actualy want all mail for root to goto my own email addy |
| 18:51.08 | markybob | Andy298, try this 0 23 * * * root rdiff-backup /var /media/drive/backups/mirror/var |
| 18:51.20 | markybob | oskude, you probably mean gnome-core |
| 18:51.38 | oskude | markw, thanx |
| 18:51.45 | oskude | hups, ment markybob |
| 18:52.02 | kimo__ | guys, trying to boot my fresh installation, it can't find my LVM partition, do I need something special ? |
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| 18:52.34 | Andy298 | /etc/crontab: line 10: 17: command not found |
| 18:52.48 | sami__ | have anyone had problem with adaptec AIC-7896 with ami Megaraid in Debian installer? |
| 18:53.06 | \amethyst | Andy298: just making sure, you have /usr/bin/python, correct? |
| 18:53.07 | markybob | Andy298, what the hell? you have rdiff-backup installed and it gave you that? pastebin your crontab file, will you? |
| 18:53.17 | Andy298 | .. /etc/crontab: line 10: 17: command not found |
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| 18:53.26 | stew | Andy298: what is on line 10 of /etc/crontab? |
| 18:53.30 | markybob | Andy298, pastebin it so we can see what's going on |
| 18:53.37 | Andy298 | www.pastebin.com |
| 18:53.51 | wols | Andy298: edit your /etc/aliases |
| 18:54.02 | kspath | Andy298: sometimes you have to use fullpath or ADD to PATH at top of /etc/crontab |
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| 18:54.13 | \amethyst | Andy298: it sounds like line 10 has an extra number |
| 18:54.18 | \amethyst | Andy298: the "17" |
| 18:54.31 | Andy298 | http://pastebin.com/577063 |
| 18:54.47 | wols | Andy298: for the mail redirect thing |
| 18:55.04 | kimo__ | how do I put LVM support in initrd ?? |
| 18:55.11 | \amethyst | Andy298: where is that error message coming from? |
| 18:55.22 | Andy298 | when i run /etc/crontab |
| 18:55.22 | \amethyst | Andy298: it sounds almost like something is trying to execute /etc/crontab? |
| 18:55.30 | \amethyst | Andy298: you don't run /etc/crontab |
| 18:55.34 | Andy298 | ahhh :S |
| 18:55.41 | Andy298 | how do i get it to run now then? |
| 18:55.48 | starfishy | \amethyst, now that you say it, it does |
| 18:55.50 | Andy298 | wols: about the mail? |
| 18:55.56 | starfishy | it is trying to execute the command '17' |
| 18:55.58 | markybob | Andy298, it runs itself every minute |
| 18:56.01 | \amethyst | Andy298: the thing you put in will get run at 23.00 |
| 18:56.11 | markybob | Andy298, from the daemon /etc/init.d/cron |
| 18:56.15 | \amethyst | Andy298: crond checks every minute to see if anything needs executed |
| 18:56.25 | stew | Andy298: that crontab is set to run the three rdiff-backup processes at 11pm daily, man 5 crontab |
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| 18:58.15 | unfo | hi all, i have a question about Gnu RCS |
| 18:58.21 | unfo | Using gnu RCS, I checked in r1.15 then checked out r1.14 wanting to revert back to an old version forever. Now when I try to check in, it wants to make the new version number be 1.14.1.1 i.e. I think it wants to branch. I don't think I want to branch (adds extra complexity). How can I either not branch, or make 1.15 be called 1.14.1.1 and my new checkin be called 1.15? |
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| 19:00.09 | kspath | unfo: most people have not used plain old rcs for a LONG LONG time. |
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| 19:00.39 | sami__ | nobody have debian with megaraid? |
| 19:00.42 | kspath | unfo: if my memory starts to work again I will try to assist else hopefully smarter people with better memory will helpyou. |
| 19:00.43 | unfo | kspath, i like it |
| 19:00.56 | \amethyst | unfo: perhaps if you check out 1.15 then rcsmerge -r1.15 -r1.14.1.1 foo.c |
| 19:01.06 | ZeNN | to everyone: on a bridged interface (brctl / br0) how does one filter out netbios traffic to the layer 2 connected clients ? |
| 19:01.17 | abrotman | sami__: yes |
| 19:01.29 | johnsu01 | kspath: I still use it for my system config files, because it's so quick and I don't need many features, just the ability to revert changes.. |
| 19:01.29 | unfo | \amethyst, wont that keep my changes to 1.15 that i dont want tho? |
| 19:01.52 | \amethyst | unfo: that will undo the changes between 1.14.1.1 and 1.15 |
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| 19:02.14 | unfo | ok, ill try it. |
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| 19:02.20 | \amethyst | unfo: you might have to commit your 1.14.1.1 first |
| 19:02.25 | \amethyst | s/might/probably/ |
| 19:02.29 | kspath | johnsu01: not advising not to use. Just saying there are less people these days using it than the past when rcs was it. |
| 19:02.31 | abrotman | sami__: why? |
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| 19:04.07 | unfo | (i dont know how to do much in cvs, but AFAIK RCS files stay in the same dir as your source files. AFAIK CVS doesn't have that, so I use it.) |
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| 19:05.50 | kspath | unfo: rcs works mostly but you might want to study up on its features/options/problems/solutions more. |
| 19:06.07 | kspath | unfo: cvs and svn have their own problems. |
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| 19:07.53 | kspath | unfo: ideally, you want it to be 1.16? |
| 19:08.02 | ozarka | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.25 | starfishy | yikes |
| 19:08.31 | starfishy | i ran out of loopback devices |
| 19:08.46 | jeoide_sCuOLa | i'm very lagged |
| 19:08.48 | jeoide_sCuOLa | :( |
| 19:09.09 | unfo | kspath, i just think it'd be a bit annoying to have it n.n.1.1, n.n.1.2, etcetera. Hard to remember and type. Also I want the highest-numbered rev to be the head. |
| 19:09.13 | rvalles | When I ping the broadcast adress of my network, all my boxes answer, but the debian ones don't. What should I touch to fix that? (I want them to answer, too!) |
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| 19:09.31 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 19:09.31 | dpkg | Since Tue Feb 28 19:06:03 2006, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 3m 28s this session, and currently reference 33567 factoids. I'm using about 13524 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3.56/0.2 child 0/0 |
| 19:09.37 | unfo | starfishy, maybe you should try to do less with your computer. :) |
| 19:09.50 | markybob | dondelelcaro, thank God he's back |
| 19:09.56 | kspath | unfo: have you thought about -o 1.15 assuming 1.15 is dead to you? |
| 19:10.08 | jeoide_sCuOLa | someone from italy?! |
| 19:10.12 | unfo | no, i dont know the option |
| 19:10.13 | kspath | !moron kspath |
| 19:10.13 | dpkg | kspath: You are moron #12 |
| 19:10.25 | kspath | wow from 0 to 12 in one hit |
| 19:10.32 | markybob | !italian |
| 19:10.33 | dpkg | i heard italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 19:10.36 | unfo | kspath, i assume it overwrites? |
| 19:10.49 | beardy | jeoide_sCuOLa: '/msg dpkg it' (in your irc client) In there you will find some. |
| 19:10.50 | unfo | and dont worry, i didnt type it blindly :) |
| 19:10.56 | kspath | unfo: man rcs and see option -o |
| 19:11.41 | unfo | Ok, it " deletes ("outdates") the revisions given by range. [snip blablabla]" i still dont see what it does. :) |
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| 19:12.21 | kspath | unfo: it "sounds" like it will tear 1.15 a new one but I do not know if then 1.14 saved will be 1.15 or skip to 1.16? |
| 19:12.52 | kspath | unfo: I do not remember and I was only motivated enough to help by apt-get isntall rcs and man rcs |
| 19:12.58 | starfishy | unfo: i just mounted a few [tm] ISO images loopback ;) |
| 19:13.01 | unfo | i think i'll do -o tho for simplicity. |
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| 19:14.20 | unfo | starfishy, note you said few[tm]. are you sure there's no shell script you could write that mounts em all at once? also, are you sure you need to mount so many? also, are you sure it isn't worth it to look for some auto-mount ISO tool or KDE iso:// ioslave to see if such exist? (i have no clue if they exist) |
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| 19:15.15 | kspath | unfo: I think I have an old rcs book here in my libraby brb |
| 19:15.16 | kimo__ | any voodoo to get LVM working with debian? |
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| 19:16.26 | kspath | unfo: found Applying RCS and SCCS from the distant past will look up some stuff for you bbiab |
| 19:16.40 | markybob | !lvm tutorial |
| 19:16.49 | markybob | !lvm_tutorial |
| 19:16.49 | dpkg | i heard lvm_tutorial is ibmdevworks tutorial http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/, or http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html |
| 19:16.53 | markybob | there wer go |
| 19:17.06 | marcel__ | anyone know how to install sybase on debian? i only can get the rpms |
| 19:17.16 | kimo__ | thnx |
| 19:17.29 | starfishy | unfo: even if i mount them all at once id still need one loopback device per cd |
| 19:17.32 | unfo | unfo, why worry? -o is fine. im a 2nd year community college student and its a tiny rev. |
| 19:17.45 | unfo | kspath, why worry? -o is fine. im a 2nd year community college student and its a tiny rev. |
| 19:17.54 | starfishy | unfo: and i found a workaround |
| 19:17.58 | markybob | marcel__, probably your best bet would be to use alien to convert the rpm's |
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| 19:18.26 | mrverbose | i need to setup a printerserver, what other software can i use than cups? |
| 19:18.33 | unfo | starfishy, all im saying is your trying to do something complex, and i personally sometimes avoid doing that kind of stuff. :) |
| 19:18.44 | mrverbose | cups is too memory consuming and that box is too weak for that |
| 19:18.45 | starfishy | unfo: im just going to do it in a VM |
| 19:18.49 | markybob | mrverbose, uh...samba can share your printers...if that's what you mean |
| 19:18.54 | starfishy | unfo: its my job to do complex things :) |
| 19:18.59 | unfo | ok :) |
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| 19:19.10 | mrverbose | markybob: no, i need some small and simple lpd |
| 19:19.14 | starfishy | unfo: and if i dont push the limits every day im not going to stay sharp |
| 19:19.20 | kspath | unfo: there is a rcs -u and there is co -f -u to look into |
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| 19:19.39 | unfo | starfishy, can i ask, are you a sysadmin or something? |
| 19:19.57 | starfishy | unfo: the workaround is doing it in a VM and having all the CDs mounted as 'physical CDs' |
| 19:20.06 | starfishy | unfo: i dont really know what i am |
| 19:20.28 | unfo | starfishy, on windows there are "storage servers" that do everything for u, that they use in internet cafes and stuff |
| 19:20.30 | starfishy | unfo, i am supposed to be a technical instructor but i do develop, admin, plan and scheme :D |
| 19:20.40 | unfo | haha |
| 19:21.01 | starfishy | unfo: the only people using windows in this organization are the sales guys |
| 19:21.14 | kspath | unfo: a simple option is just co 1.15 and replace it with modified contents of 1.15 and ci again? |
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| 19:21.39 | kspath | unfo: a simple option is just co 1.15 and replace it with modified contents of 1.14 and ci again? |
| 19:21.39 | starfishy | wow, it takes forever to create a 12GB virtual disk |
| 19:21.45 | unfo | starfishy, so in other words ur a trainer who is branching out into other stuff. |
| 19:21.50 | abrotman | !ur |
| 19:21.50 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 19:21.57 | kspath | unfo: sorry, a little braino. |
| 19:22.07 | markybob | abrotman, no! |
| 19:22.11 | starfishy | unfo: in other words i am the one who does everything the others can't do :) |
| 19:22.20 | abrotman | markybob: but i actually have work to do :) |
| 19:22.32 | markybob | abrotman, i guess that's a valid excuse ;) |
| 19:22.41 | curt | abrotman, mounting the partitions in the installer shell worked just fine last night ~ thanks for your help!! |
| 19:22.43 | abrotman | markybob: well .. kind of anyways |
| 19:22.46 | unfo | starfishy, i know vmware has a plain disk format and a compressed one. |
| 19:22.47 | jvw | abrotman: hey -- btw, platforms are up, and on -vote, discussion is going on |
| 19:22.47 | abrotman | curt: it totally worked? |
| 19:22.54 | unfo | of course vmw is closed source. |
| 19:22.59 | curt | abrotman, absolutely |
| 19:23.08 | abrotman | jvw: discussion? |
| 19:23.15 | abrotman | curt: not bad for a guess eh? :) |
| 19:23.22 | jvw | abrotman: DPL election discussion |
| 19:23.24 | abrotman | jvw: i saw a few round-ups on planet.d.n |
| 19:23.26 | kspath | unfo: basically co 1.15 overwrite it with full modified version from 1.14 and ci 1.15 and wham you have 1.16 note this is partially from man pages and memory |
| 19:23.28 | abrotman | jvw: discussion where? |
| 19:23.40 | jvw | abrotman: -vote -- debian-vote@lists.debian.org |
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| 19:23.45 | abrotman | jvw: ah .. gotcha |
| 19:23.49 | curt | abrotman, remind me never to delete/move /lib again... |
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| 19:23.52 | abrotman | jvw: i thought you meant #debian-vote |
| 19:23.56 | unfo | kspath, hey that makes the most sense of all. i think i'll do that once i tear my fingers away from irc. :) |
| 19:23.58 | jvw | doesn't exist ttbomk |
| 19:24.06 | abrotman | curt: afaik .. that should always be attached to / anyways |
| 19:24.12 | abrotman | jvw: it did after i joined it :) |
| 19:24.17 | resiak | !fhs |
| 19:24.18 | dpkg | i guess fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 19:24.22 | chealer | abrotman: did you made it in jvw's DPL DreamTeam? |
| 19:24.35 | abrotman | chealer: i'm on someone's dream team? |
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| 19:24.58 | kspath | is it phalanges or meta-carpels or whatever? |
| 19:25.01 | starfishy | unfo: btw, what i am working on right now is integrating x CDs from $UNNAMED_DISTRIBUTION and $UNNAMED_DISTRIBUTION_SERVICE_PACK into a DVD and I am hoping to get around actually unpacking the ISOs |
| 19:25.18 | abrotman | jvw: my concern with a team is that it would end up like the FBSD core team |
| 19:25.25 | chealer | abrotman: who knows. it could help you to become the next DPL. you know, even Ari may come close to being DPL |
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| 19:25.41 | abrotman | chealer: i think i'm missing a very important requirement to be a DPL |
| 19:25.43 | unfo | starfishy, you said SERVICE_PACK. you mean Windows? |
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| 19:25.52 | starfishy | unfo: no, but close |
| 19:25.57 | starfishy | SLES :( |
| 19:26.03 | unfo | lol |
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| 19:26.27 | starfishy | every day i have to work with RHEL and SLES I thank the gods of computing that i dont have to run that stuff in my own network |
| 19:26.42 | unfo | haha. i guess it'd be more work to just order a DVD? |
| 19:26.44 | jvw | abrotman: I don't know about FBSD core team, but here the team will basicly have a clear leader, so it won't *hurt* in any case |
| 19:26.46 | abrotman | starfishy: at least it's not made by SCO :) |
| 19:26.50 | chealer | resiak: see -devel-announce |
| 19:26.54 | starfishy | unfo: there is no SLES9 DVD |
| 19:27.00 | chealer | resiak: oops, it was planet.d.o |
| 19:27.07 | jvw | resiak: http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/platforms |
| 19:27.07 | starfishy | abrotman: yeah, you are right, it could be worse ;) |
| 19:27.30 | abrotman | jvw: the core team was more elitist than the rest of FBSD :) |
| 19:27.31 | resiak | aces, just found it independently; thanks :) |
| 19:27.46 | unfo | starfishy: oh. i feel sorry for you. |
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| 19:27.51 | chealer | abrotman: but you could team up with tarzeau! :) |
| 19:28.00 | tarzeau | !POPCON |
| 19:28.00 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 19:28.12 | abrotman | chealer: last i checked .. i can't be DPL |
| 19:28.12 | tarzeau | chealer: you join too? |
| 19:28.13 | chealer | tarzeau: hey :) |
| 19:28.21 | chealer | tarzeau: sure!! :) |
| 19:28.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: we be TEH MAN!è? |
| 19:28.26 | starfishy | unfo: at least i get paid for this... |
| 19:28.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: we're on a team? |
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| 19:28.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: of course we are! |
| 19:29.14 | chealer | finally, I can see Debian's essential problems being fixed! |
| 19:29.58 | chealer | why not #debian for DPL? |
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| 19:31.08 | stew | maybe a blotbot for dpl? |
| 19:31.11 | unfo | starfishy, :) |
| 19:31.16 | waxbolt | say i compiled a kernel, my way, with a few patches that i want... it runs the system just fine. how do i get apt to recognize that it's present?? |
| 19:31.20 | DistroWatch | for witch one should i go to setup postfix http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ or http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ ? |
| 19:31.30 | kspath | unfo: thanks for getting me motivated to play with rcs again. |
| 19:31.30 | wols | waxbolt: compile it with kernel-package |
| 19:31.31 | stew | waxbolt: build it with make-kpkg, /msg dpkg kp |
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| 19:31.54 | chealer | stew: oooh :) that beat jvw's attempt to fix #debian |
| 19:31.57 | waxbolt | wols, that's absurd... |
| 19:32.31 | waxbolt | wols, why isn't it enough to follow the typical linux source symlink in /usr/src ? |
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| 19:32.49 | stew | waxbolt: what typical source symlink? |
| 19:32.50 | abrotman | stew: abotman ? |
| 19:32.54 | wols | cause a kernel image is not a debian package, duh! |
| 19:32.55 | stew | heh |
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| 19:32.58 | Aghaster | hi |
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| 19:33.03 | sithi | can some body help me |
| 19:33.04 | wols | apt can only know about installed .deb packages |
| 19:33.05 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: the core team is just a collection of people who do the work, or people who have been doing the work in the past and know how the work should be done. |
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| 19:33.21 | wols | and it doesn't matter if you run "make" or if you run "make-kpkg" is it? |
| 19:33.26 | kspath | !tell sithi about ask |
| 19:33.39 | sithi | thanks, i am a newbie |
| 19:33.41 | dondelelcaro | waxbolt: if you want to compile your own kernel, use make-kpkg instead. |
| 19:33.44 | Aghaster | gnome behaves strangely with application names in the bottom, if they are longer than the button on the taskbar, the name gets over the next button on its right |
| 19:33.49 | unfo | kspath, np, i didnt know it'd make you happy. :) also see the tool upd, from the Duffgrams web page. |
| 19:33.50 | Aghaster | how can i make gnome not do that? |
| 19:33.56 | Aghaster | and wrap app names to the button |
| 19:33.58 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: which core team? FBSD or debian? |
| 19:34.07 | sithi | i am just looking for .deb based multi path routing patch |
| 19:34.20 | kspath | sithi: Just ask the question. If no one answers wait some time maybe 10-30 minutes and ask again. VERY dependent on channel traffic. |
| 19:34.25 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: Debian; (well, whatever you're calling the core team)... I've no clue about free bsd. |
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| 19:34.47 | g0th | hi, what package do I need to install gecko-sdk? |
| 19:34.54 | dondelelcaro | 'course, in Debian, saying the core team is really a misnomer; we don't have such a thing. |
| 19:35.05 | stew | TINCT? |
| 19:35.21 | abrotman | from what i can gather from jvw's email announcing Scud .. seems it would be a few people as sort of a Vice-DPL .. but could the team overrule a decision made by the DPL? |
| 19:35.28 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: no. |
| 19:35.29 | waxbolt | dondelelcaro, stew, i don't have another 10 hours to recompile again... why isn't there a more direct way. dpkg is just a hack, and certainly not a complex one... |
| 19:35.48 | dondelelcaro | waxbolt: eh? surely you jest. |
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| 19:36.00 | wols | waxbolt: running it again takes around 5 min max |
| 19:36.05 | justletters | hey i just found a bug in apache. bad! |
| 19:36.06 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: they would only be a advisory committee; they have no power over decisions that the DPL makes. |
| 19:36.10 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: so basically a support team implementing his decisions/goals ? |
| 19:36.14 | wols | it's the same as if you'd run "make" again |
| 19:36.19 | jvw | abrotman: exactly |
| 19:36.25 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: or helping to advise the decisions |
| 19:36.29 | kspath | justletters: report it! |
| 19:36.38 | waxbolt | dondelelcaro, on a 300MHz machine with < 32 mb ram it can take a long time |
| 19:36.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: and they can like .. stage a coup if they want? :) |
| 19:36.44 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: no. |
| 19:36.47 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 19:37.03 | wols | waxbolt: not if you just compiled it |
| 19:37.06 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: which is pretty much what happens already, since no one developer knows how all bits of Debian operates... |
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| 19:37.22 | wols | waxbolt: and simply recompile |
| 19:37.31 | waxbolt | wols, ahh... my distrust of debian is subsiding... |
| 19:37.43 | abrotman | would there be ... sort of .. posts? ex: jvw is elected DPL and he names dondelelcaro the team member responsible for the NM activities? |
| 19:38.10 | jvw | abrotman: that could be possible, yes |
| 19:38.14 | sithi | or is there any .diff file for my version of 2.6.8-2-i386 |
| 19:38.24 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: that's really up to the DPL, but since those people are delegates, the DPL would have to replace the existing delegates to do so. |
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| 19:38.27 | jvw | dondelelcaro: did you send in your willingness to do that, yet ;-P? |
| 19:38.39 | waxbolt | wols, dondelelcaro, stew, thanks... i'll do some quick learning |
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| 19:38.52 | unfo | kspath, it worked! thank you all for all your kind help. |
| 19:38.52 | dondelelcaro | jvw: heh. no... |
| 19:38.52 | jvw | eh, no, I mean having someone informerly delegated to look into NM and advice on actions to take |
| 19:38.58 | jvw | not to replace the current delegates |
| 19:39.12 | kspath | unfo: do not tell anyone |
| 19:39.26 | bleaked | so, if i wanted to stop a service from starting on boot, i would just need to delete the symlink out of the specific runlevel directory? |
| 19:39.29 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah .. so you can't just have a "cabinet" exchange like the morons in the oval office? |
| 19:39.36 | kspath | unfo: debian is a secret |
| 19:39.44 | beardy | !update-rc.d |
| 19:39.44 | dpkg | methinks update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf |
| 19:39.49 | beardy | bleaked: ^^^ |
| 19:39.50 | jvw | abrotman: the DD's can recall a DPL |
| 19:39.57 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: not without specifically replacing delegates... |
| 19:40.02 | jvw | abrotman: the DPL can make team changes if he wishes so, because the team isn't official |
| 19:40.13 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: well right .. but i mean .. you can change whoever you want .. |
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| 19:40.23 | mrverbose | something is changing the permissions to /dev/null from time to time, how can i track this down? |
| 19:40.24 | abrotman | more or less .. appointment for life .. unless someone wants you out |
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| 19:40.58 | kspath | mrverbose: lsof fuser sa acct |
| 19:41.06 | bleaked | beardy. ah excellent. i was worried deb didn't have some nice rc scripts...why..idk..but thank you! |
| 19:41.11 | abrotman | jvw: might be useful in your platform thing to outline areas where a team person might be delegated to "look after" |
| 19:41.26 | beardy | bleaked: also '/msg dpkg rcconf' |
| 19:41.39 | jvw | abrotman: platforms are final now. Ask on -vote if you want a clarification :) |
| 19:41.42 | mrverbose | kspath: ?? |
| 19:41.46 | abrotman | jvw: so that someone might get a better idea of what might get more attention .. or be able to suggest another area |
| 19:41.47 | kspath | mrverbose: any pattern? time of day? day of week? periodic? |
| 19:41.50 | abrotman | jvw: darn you! :) |
| 19:42.08 | kspath | mrverbose: tools to help you look/watch/check |
| 19:42.13 | abrotman | jvw: no addendums allowed? |
| 19:42.23 | unfo | unfo: i don't understand |
| 19:42.24 | mrverbose | kspath: ah, thx |
| 19:42.27 | beardy | bleaked: Debian actually has nice scripts and nice ways of doing most things. |
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| 19:42.36 | unfo | i mean kspath:. |
| 19:42.54 | sithi | how do i go about with multipath routing? |
| 19:42.58 | abrotman | jvw: well .. you know .. i suggested it .. you could just send it :0 |
| 19:42.59 | unfo | kspath, i dont get your meaning of the joke over irc, there's no tone of voice. |
| 19:43.04 | kimo__ | umm, kernel boots perfectly but can't mount my LVM /, any pointers please ? |
| 19:43.06 | kspath | unfo: I was being silly/nutty |
| 19:43.07 | bleaked | beardy. good to know. thx |
| 19:43.15 | beardy | bleaked: np |
| 19:43.23 | unfo | ok. :) |
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| 19:43.28 | jvw | abrotman: well, but I couldn't possibly win your vote :-P |
| 19:43.41 | kspath | !win jvw |
| 19:43.41 | dpkg | Congratulations, jvw! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
| 19:43.44 | abrotman | jvw: it doesn't seem that every nominee has adovcated the team thing |
| 19:43.46 | abrotman | !prize jvw |
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| 19:43.53 | unfo | !help win |
| 19:44.00 | unfo | !win unfo |
| 19:44.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, unfo! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 19:44.03 | unfo | haha |
| 19:44.24 | kspath | unfo: take that home. It is from WWII era. |
| 19:44.39 | Ronin | and its just as good now as it was then |
| 19:44.55 | unfo | kspath: don't worry, i'll send some to all my professors |
| 19:45.00 | abrotman | jvw: i can't vote .. i'm a slacker |
| 19:45.00 | kspath | Ronin: back handed compliment of Hormel product? |
| 19:45.17 | unfo | kspath: with a thank-u card for the quality of their teaching. |
| 19:45.23 | Ronin | kspath: not sure if id call it a compliment but they certainly pack it safely |
| 19:45.45 | bleaked | beardy. is there a way to list inits that will run at boot..or say, all of the available ones? or does one just ls the /etc/rc directories? |
| 19:46.09 | kspath | whois -r? |
| 19:46.17 | chealer | abrotman: aren't in tarzeau and me's team? |
| 19:46.26 | abrotman | chealer: you're not a DD are you? |
| 19:46.34 | wols | bleaked: just /etc/rcX.d ones which begin with S |
| 19:46.37 | kspath | bleaked: run levels is not exactly a debian thing |
| 19:46.50 | chealer | abrotman: since when do you need to be DD to be DPL? |
| 19:46.56 | abrotman | chealer: you're not even NM are you? |
| 19:47.09 | kimo__ | any help mounting / from LVM, please <8-<> |
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| 19:47.22 | nkuttler | bleaked: rcconf? |
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| 19:47.42 | chealer | abrotman: haha, no. I'm not even sponsored :) |
| 19:47.53 | abrotman | chealer: you'd have to ask for sponsor wouldn't you? |
| 19:48.05 | chealer | abrotman: that too |
| 19:48.08 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:48.15 | unfo | k bye all |
| 19:48.17 | chealer | abrotman: I got one grammatical patch acknowledged today :) |
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| 19:48.30 | abrotman | chealer: i hope it was french grammar |
| 19:48.45 | chealer | abrotman: I don'T remember, but I would guess so |
| 19:48.51 | bleaked | kspath. well..idk..i was just wondering if there was a feature like, say, "update-rc.d show" or something like that.. |
| 19:48.52 | abrotman | thank goodness |
| 19:49.42 | kspath | sithi: apt-cache search routing; apt-cache search route might have something for you... |
| 19:49.42 | mrverbose | i got it tracked down, it seems to be sshd |
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| 19:50.17 | x|e | my friend was trying to install debian onto one of his hard drives, he downloaded the testing ISO and started install.. when he came to partitioning section it asked him to do it auto. he did it and it failed within 1 second.. he tried to boot onto his windows hard drive and i guess it destroyed it. any way to recover his important files off of the drive? |
| 19:50.47 | kspath | x|e: testing is just that testing. Try stable? |
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| 19:50.57 | abrotman | Doesn't "auto" say "This will wipe out the whole harddrive" ? |
| 19:51.09 | jsan | hi my friends |
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| 19:51.23 | x|e | yeap it said, he had two hard drives |
| 19:51.32 | x|e | it wiped primary and secondary i guess :/ |
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| 19:51.40 | abrotman | that doens't make sense |
| 19:51.55 | x|e | he put the windows disc in and it still has the ntfs file structure he said but he cant access any files |
| 19:51.56 | nekostar | ^_^ sup abrotman |
| 19:51.56 | jsan | i would like to know how when i install apache , apt-get install apache is instaled apache and apache2 ? |
| 19:52.05 | abrotman | nekostar: hi |
| 19:52.10 | bleaked | nkuttler. yes, i suppose rcconf is exactly what i was looking for, thanks :] |
| 19:52.13 | abrotman | jsan: it did what? |
| 19:52.29 | stew | jsan: it shouldn't have installed apache2 but it might have installed apache2-utils which is shared between both versions |
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| 19:52.45 | abrotman | or apache2-common |
| 19:52.46 | nkuttler | x|e: use a live cd and examine the situation. if that fails google filesystem+recovery. lots of software and companies out there |
| 19:52.48 | jsan | ok stew |
| 19:53.11 | jsan | then the utils betwen apache and apache2 is instaled |
| 19:53.13 | jsan | ok ! |
| 19:53.14 | resiak | x|e: gpart may also help |
| 19:53.50 | jsan | yes stew ? |
| 19:53.50 | x|e | yea ive got a filesystem recovery program... but it tells him it doesnt recognize the filesystem :/ |
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| 19:54.09 | Aghaster | hi |
| 19:54.14 | Aghaster | i have a problem with gnome |
| 19:54.23 | Aghaster | the app names in the taskbar override their button |
| 19:54.30 | Aghaster | so names override other apps names |
| 19:54.32 | Aghaster | its kinda ugly |
| 19:54.43 | x|e | if we formatted over it with ntfs will the files still be recoverable? |
| 19:54.44 | Aghaster | how can i make it wrap to its own app button in the taskbar? |
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| 19:54.48 | kspath | rcconf - Debian Runlevel configuration tool |
| 19:55.18 | kspath | apt-cache search Runlevel |
| 19:55.35 | nkuttler | x|e: um, no |
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| 19:55.38 | beardy | bleaked: If you run rcconf, you see them all. And as said, Debian doesn't use specific multiuser runlevels, runlevel 2 is what is used, and seen with rcconf. 'ls /etc/rc2.d' also shows you, as said. |
| 19:55.41 | lexter | Yesterday i upgraded my Etch-Box. Xorg got upgraded too. Now X does not start any more. There is no backup file in /etc/X11/. Where should it be stored? |
| 19:55.44 | jsan | stew, then i installed only apache utils betwen apache and apache2, correct ? |
| 19:56.26 | abrotman | jsan: dpkg -l | grep apache |
| 19:56.37 | stew | jsan: you can run "apt-cache policy apache2" and look at the Installed: line and see if the apache2 server is actually installed. the fact that apache2-utils got installed shouldn't worry you |
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| 19:57.11 | chealer | lexter: a backup of what? |
| 19:57.20 | nkuttler | x|e: boot live cd, check if there is a partition table, try to mount |
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| 19:57.35 | kspath | oh crap it is who -r no idea why I typed whois -r |
| 19:57.36 | x|e | mmk will it mount ntfs? |
| 19:57.41 | lexter | chealer: A backup of my xorg.conf-file. If there were any changes 'apt' should same a backupfile |
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| 19:58.08 | kspath | bleaked: who -r does show run-level like other distros and OS do |
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| 19:58.27 | nkuttler | x|e: i guess that depends on the cd used |
| 19:58.32 | kspath | bleaked: maybe not exact same syntax though |
| 19:58.51 | bleaked | beardy. looking at my runlevels..i'm seeing a few questionable things. like, i have a dbus and a dbus-1, and alsa is unchecked. what do you think? |
| 19:58.58 | bleaked | kspath. ok, thanks :D |
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| 19:59.37 | Aghaster | kspath: do you use gnome? |
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| 20:00.22 | beardy | bleaked: Which runlevel? |
| 20:00.33 | kspath | Aghaster: when someone hold a gun to my head yes. I use ion3 or (openbox3 or blackbox or fluxbox) |
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| 20:00.40 | Aghaster | oh |
| 20:00.41 | Aghaster | ok |
| 20:01.17 | kspath | Aghaster: sorry, not trying to be rude. I can not afford the resources that gnome and kde and xfce want to use. |
| 20:01.20 | Aghaster | because i have an annoying problem with gnome right now |
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| 20:01.49 | Aghaster | the apps names in the taskbar do not wrap to their own app button |
| 20:01.56 | Aghaster | so they override other apps' buttons |
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| 20:02.04 | Aghaster | text over text is kinda ugly. |
| 20:02.07 | Aghaster | and unreadable |
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| 20:03.00 | justin_ | anyone here with experience in ESD? |
| 20:03.27 | nkuttler | Aghaster: here's how i fix gnome problems: mv .gnome* .gconf* backup/ |
| 20:03.27 | rue_mohr | you mean like sneaking up behind a sibling after shuffling your feet alot? |
| 20:04.24 | Aghaster | nkuttler: hum, and what does that do? |
| 20:04.26 | beardy | bleaked: You could make an alias of this, to show you what is being started; ls /etc/rc2.d/ | sed 's/S[0-9][0-9]//' |
| 20:04.33 | sithi | no luck, nothing related is found |
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| 20:04.58 | nkuttler | Aghaster: moves the config out of the way if you are in ~/ |
| 20:05.08 | Aghaster | eh |
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| 20:07.09 | digs | anyone knows why do the BT tracker appear offline ? I'm downloading 3.1r1 dvd iso |
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| 20:09.27 | chealer | lexter: why would apt change xorg.conf? |
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| 20:10.12 | iNAP | what recommended programs do you insist installing? |
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| 20:10.36 | abrotman | the ones you'll use |
| 20:10.41 | avar | if we insist on installing them they're not just reccomended now are they? |
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| 20:10.48 | iNAP | well.. |
| 20:10.48 | Thorrn4 | hello! I was wondering: what are some good debian based distros? |
| 20:11.00 | abrotman | Thorrn4: use debian! |
| 20:11.02 | abrotman | !d-i Thorrn4 |
| 20:11.03 | dpkg | Thorrn4, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:11.04 | iNAP | i mean what are commonly used programs then |
| 20:11.06 | iNAP | if thats better? |
| 20:11.09 | disposable | Thorrn4: please don't provoke :) |
| 20:11.18 | unstable | !start a distro war |
| 20:11.18 | dpkg | LFS 0wnz! |
| 20:11.39 | avar | !start a distro war |
| 20:11.39 | dpkg | DSL 0wnz! |
| 20:11.41 | avar | !start a distro war |
| 20:11.56 | deadcat | what do i put for BusID for my nividia card? lspci shows 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) |
| 20:11.59 | unstable | good job getting the bot to ignore you avar |
| 20:12.00 | abrotman | iNAP: it depends what oyu're doing |
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| 20:12.05 | unstable | deadcat: leave it blank |
| 20:12.06 | abrotman | deadcat: x86? |
| 20:12.09 | deadcat | ya |
| 20:12.10 | avar | Ungy: thank you |
| 20:12.13 | abrotman | blank |
| 20:12.14 | deadcat | k |
| 20:12.17 | abrotman | unless you have two |
| 20:12.23 | avar | *unstable |
| 20:12.31 | Ungy | umm Your Welcome? |
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| 20:12.52 | avar | Ungy: "you're" |
| 20:13.21 | wireddd | deadcat, the only time you need to really need the busid is for multiple video cards |
| 20:13.22 | iNAP | what 'extras' are there that are worth the d/l? is that a better question.. hehe |
| 20:13.32 | avar | "you're" expands to "you are", "your" is used in contexts like "your arm is missing" |
| 20:13.32 | deadcat | wireddd: i see. cool. |
| 20:13.35 | Ronin | iNAP: still depends on what you wnat |
| 20:13.45 | Ungy | avar :ahh I see ,thank you for correcting my grammtical err. |
| 20:13.54 | abrotman | iNAP: you're really asking a pretty silly question .. install what you'll use .. |
| 20:13.57 | avar | i.e. it's the possessive adjective of "you" |
| 20:14.08 | abrotman | Ungy: grammatical |
| 20:14.12 | iNAP | where can i see what extras and stuff there are? |
| 20:14.14 | beardy | !popcon |
| 20:14.15 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:14.17 | avar | u r welcome |
| 20:14.17 | avar | ;) |
| 20:14.22 | beardy | iNAP: ^^^ |
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| 20:14.44 | Ungy | abrotman: ah I see, thank you for correcting my spelling mistake. |
| 20:14.47 | iNAP | ah cool thanks. |
| 20:15.09 | abrotman | Ungy: Ah |
| 20:15.34 | avar | "Thanks for correcting me $x, that's how I learn" - Gay dude in that TV show |
| 20:15.35 | beardy | iNAP: There you can see which packages that are commonly used. If you are going to install Debian, or already running it? Consider installing popularity-contest to take part in it. |
| 20:15.40 | avar | Family Guy |
| 20:15.44 | kspath | avar: yore |
| 20:15.56 | iNAP | im already running it |
| 20:16.04 | kspath | avar got ignored by dpkg is times of yore |
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| 20:16.35 | shygrrl | adcd |
| 20:16.53 | wireddd | I don't suppose that there is a way to start run an x app remotely and have it on more than 1 system is there? |
| 20:17.27 | avar | wireddd: vnc |
| 20:17.37 | archpollux | hi |
| 20:18.00 | archpollux | i'm logged into a stupid redhat machine and the Backspace key is reported as "^[[3~" instead of "^?", does anyone know why? |
| 20:18.07 | wireddd | avar I mean more like.... ssh -X somepc.com xterm |
| 20:18.17 | beardy | wireddd: Not if you display it on your local machine, but if you do it over vnc, that is, run the program, and it's output on one machine, you can connect to it from multiple places and view it. |
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| 20:18.25 | avar | wireddd: how will vnc not suffice for that? |
| 20:18.30 | unstable | archpollux: type /bin/bash |
| 20:18.34 | kspath | Sithi: Did you want quagga or something? |
| 20:18.43 | archpollux | unstable: i'm in bash already |
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| 20:18.53 | wireddd | it would, but it would be so much cleaner if I could just use x11 forwarding |
| 20:18.56 | unstable | archpollux: echo $SHELL says bash? |
| 20:19.16 | archpollux | unstable: yes |
| 20:19.27 | unstable | archpollux: /join #rhel |
| 20:19.29 | abrotman | archpollux: echo $TERM |
| 20:19.32 | avar | archpollux: stty erase 127 |
| 20:19.58 | abrotman | !prize lilo |
| 20:20.07 | avar | yay, more idiots;) |
| 20:20.13 | archpollux | abrotman: xterm-color |
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| 20:20.19 | archpollux | avar: doesn't work |
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| 20:20.42 | abrotman | archpollux: maybe RH doesn't understand that? |
| 20:20.53 | kspath | sithi: Did you want quagga or something? zebra is not dead but quagga appears to be what you want overall. You be the judge. |
| 20:21.02 | cahoot | wireddd: maybe xmove can do what you want |
| 20:21.04 | archpollux | abrotman: it's supposed too, it's in termcap and all that crap |
| 20:21.05 | avar | archpollux: stty erase 22? |
| 20:21.06 | Peterken | I'm searching for a piece of software like 'statbar for windows', something like you see in this screenshot at the Top of the page ( http://members.lycos.nl/gerwin2003/tm/printscr.jpg ). Is something like that also available in linux? |
| 20:21.28 | archpollux | avar: nope |
| 20:21.33 | avar | Peterken: gkrellm |
| 20:21.37 | shygrrl | clear |
| 20:21.45 | shygrrl | doh! |
| 20:21.54 | unstable | Peterken: apt-get install gkrellm |
| 20:21.59 | abrotman | Peterken: gdesklets .. gkrellm |
| 20:22.03 | beardy | archpollux: Try a different value of TERM. |
| 20:22.06 | unstable | Peterken: or gdesklets or superkaramba or conky or there are 30 other ones |
| 20:22.09 | shygrrl | too many transparent windows stacked on top of each other :P |
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| 20:22.25 | abrotman | Peterken: but i'd be interested to know more about sheep.exe |
| 20:22.35 | Peterken | ok tnx avar, unstable & abrotman ;-) |
| 20:22.48 | xerophyte | how can i block size of unformated disk ?? |
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| 20:23.19 | wols | xerophyte: ask again. question doesn't make any sense |
| 20:23.22 | abrotman | Peterken: do you get to shoot sheep ? |
| 20:23.23 | archpollux | btw, forgot to mention that i'm running screen on the remote machine |
| 20:23.51 | Peterken | shooting sheeps? |
| 20:24.00 | abrotman | Peterken: that's not your desktop ? |
| 20:24.07 | archpollux | yeah, i think screen is fscking up |
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| 20:24.13 | Peterken | my desktop? a sheep? lol |
| 20:24.15 | beardy | archpollux: then your $TERM should be "screen" |
| 20:24.15 | Peterken | i'm using kde |
| 20:24.27 | archpollux | beardy: tried that before, doesn't work |
| 20:24.33 | xerophyte | wols how can i find the block size of a disk, which unformated? |
| 20:24.40 | Kovecses | brb |
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| 20:24.49 | abrotman | Peterken: ah ok .. i thought that was your windows box :) |
| 20:24.59 | wols | xerophyte: unformatted disks usually don't have a blocksize yet |
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| 20:25.12 | Peterken | lol no no :p just a screenshot of that software i found on google ;-) |
| 20:25.15 | abrotman | Peterken: if you use kde .. you probably don't want to use gdesklets .. what a shame .. they're so nice :) |
| 20:25.15 | wols | a blocksize is usually an attribute of a filesystem |
| 20:25.22 | Peterken | i get him now :p |
| 20:25.27 | wols | hdds usually have 512 bytes blocksize |
| 20:25.39 | beardy | archpollux: Try "xterm". Also, what are you ssh:ing from? |
| 20:25.42 | wols | CDs have 2048/2352 etc |
| 20:26.20 | archpollux | beardy: tried that too... i'm sshing from my debian machine, through another machine that seems to behave correctly |
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| 20:26.32 | unstable | Peterken: What window manager or desktop enviroment do you use? |
| 20:26.43 | Digital_Pioneer | Hi, all. |
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| 20:26.45 | Digital_Pioneer | glxinfo | grep rendering |
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| 20:26.50 | beardy | archpollux: But, #redhat or whatever should answer this perhaps, but I bet they don't know though.. |
| 20:26.59 | unstable | !tell Digital_Pioneer about esk |
| 20:27.03 | beardy | archpollux: What's the machine in the middle? |
| 20:27.09 | Peterken | i'm using kde |
| 20:27.15 | beardy | archpollux: You really have to give us all details.. |
| 20:27.18 | unstable | Peterken: use superkaramba then |
| 20:27.20 | Digital_Pioneer | Pardon? |
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| 20:27.30 | Peterken | ok thanks |
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| 20:27.32 | lexter | \quit |
| 20:27.43 | Digital_Pioneer | unstable: Huh? |
| 20:27.57 | unstable | !tell Digital_Pioneer about ask |
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| 20:28.29 | beardy | archpollux: And I meant, from what are you ssh:ing, as in a vt, an xterm, an aterm, or what? |
| 20:29.01 | Digital_Pioneer | !tell unstable about I was about to ask |
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| 20:29.24 | beardy | archpollux: Can you use Ctrl-h as backspace? |
| 20:29.51 | runa_ | hey :) does anyone knows why suddenly X says "Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached" and I cannot start any new x app? |
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| 20:30.21 | archpollux | beardy: yes |
| 20:30.21 | bykte | hi anyway to remove perl from my system without uninstall apache? |
| 20:30.23 | kspath | sithi: Did you want quagga or something? zebra is not dead but quagga appears to be what you want overall. You be the judge. |
| 20:30.28 | Digital_Pioneer | How can I turn on direct rendering? e.g. I need glxinfo | grep rendering to say "direct rendering: Yes" instead of no. |
| 20:30.32 | archpollux | beardy: ssh-ing from xterm-color |
| 20:30.37 | wols | bykte: you can't remove perl since dpkg depends on it |
| 20:30.41 | dondelelcaro | bykte: you won't be able to completly remove perl. |
| 20:30.52 | dondelelcaro | (you can remove the perl package, but perl-base will still be there) |
| 20:30.56 | wols | Digital_Pioneer: use a different driver for X. eg nvidia or fglrx |
| 20:31.05 | archpollux | Digital_Pioneer: xorg.conf option somewhere, check the docs for your video card |
| 20:31.10 | bykte | then how do i upgrade the current perl from source compile? |
| 20:31.20 | Seb | i forgot how to list the current freenode admins, anyone can hlp me out ? |
| 20:31.25 | dondelelcaro | bykte: you don't. Use the Debian packages of perl. |
| 20:31.41 | bykte | but isnt perl 5.6.1 a bit outdated? |
| 20:31.43 | tarzeau | chealer, abrotman and tarzeau! |
| 20:31.57 | wols | bykte: if you use a different perl than debian wants, there will be LOTS of MASSIVE problems in your future. don't do it if you want to stay sane |
| 20:32.02 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: what is this "ftp.debian.org won't have all architectures" thing? |
| 20:32.04 | Digital_Pioneer | OK... |
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| 20:32.21 | dondelelcaro | bykte: uh... if you want a more recent version of perl, upgrade to the current stable release: sarge. |
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| 20:32.45 | stew | abrotman: ajt make a post to d-d-a recently about the mirror split |
| 20:32.48 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it basically means what it says... what about it? |
| 20:33.01 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: where will the other architectures be? |
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| 20:33.18 | stew | !mirror split is http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors-announce/2006/02/msg00000.html |
| 20:33.18 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 20:33.31 | abrotman | stew: yes .. i read that |
| 20:33.36 | beardy | archpollux: Ok, from xterm-color, to a machine in the middle, and then to the rh-box, or the rh-box directly? |
| 20:34.04 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: they're still on ftp.debian.org, but no longer in the same place. |
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| 20:34.42 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah .. ok .. i understood the part about choosing what you mirror . but was confused where "the arches no longer on ftp.debian.org" were going :) |
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| 20:35.23 | Zerqent | so just installed a new NIC, new swich new cable and compiled new kernel... (newest kernel)... now suddenly samba won't work anymore.. I get error message read_socket_data: recv failure for 4. Error = Connection reset by peer .. anybody can give me some clues? :P |
| 20:36.06 | dondelelcaro | wols: that's basically what will happen unless porters who are interested in the non-mainstream arches step up to make sure their arches are supported. |
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| 20:36.39 | dondelelcaro | wols: in a bunch of cases, they have. In others, they haven't (or havven't fixed all of the issues) |
| 20:37.03 | Kovecses | woot |
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| 20:37.33 | archpollux | beardy: from xterm-color to a machine in the middle and then the rh-box |
| 20:38.03 | wols | dondelelcaro: while I only use i386, I really like that debian supports prtt much any platform Linux can run on unlike all those commecrial distros |
| 20:38.10 | beardy | archpollux: so, could you please say what the middle box is, what terminal it is? :) |
| 20:38.23 | Kovecses | yeah debian is THE linux |
| 20:38.26 | Kovecses | imho |
| 20:38.26 | wols | Zerqent: connection reset by peer is the other guy. not you |
| 20:38.44 | dondelelcaro | wols: well, that support requires people who are willing to work on it; if people aren't willing to support those architectures, they won't be supported. |
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| 20:38.58 | Kovecses | none of this ... pay for enterprise or get testing versions for free |
| 20:38.59 | wols | true :( |
| 20:39.09 | thingfish | Kovecses: no need to be humble about making that statement. ;) |
| 20:39.21 | Kovecses | thingfish: right |
| 20:39.30 | archpollux | beardy: xterm-color |
| 20:39.36 | wols | Kovecses: having a server grade distro with great security support for free is another thing, but unrelated to the platfrm thing :) |
| 20:39.45 | Kovecses | the xfce4 backports for sarge are sweet |
| 20:40.22 | thingfish | I sure wish gnome 2.1x would get into backports. |
| 20:40.23 | beardy | archpollux: Is it possible for you to ssh from the first box directly to the rh-box, to see if the behavior is the same? |
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| 20:40.56 | archpollux | beardy: no, it's an internal lan |
| 20:42.04 | kspath | sithi: Did you want quagga? apt-cache search quagga |
| 20:42.05 | Kovecses | brb |
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| 20:42.10 | Fraze | helo. I'm trying to convert a midi file into a wav file, and i'm using debian & timidity++ software. when I'm runing it with the file name, it plays it, but when i use -o (as the manul describes) it says "w.wav" not such file or directory, when w.wav is the new name i given it |
| 20:42.10 | Stevie | 250 Stevie |
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| 20:43.08 | Kovecses | k |
| 20:43.26 | wols | Stevie: 250? are you a MTA? |
| 20:43.43 | Fraze | ? |
| 20:43.59 | wols | 250 is a MTA response of "everything's alrigh" |
| 20:44.27 | kspath | sithi: Did you want quagga? apt-cache search quagga and apt-cache search zebra |
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| 20:44.32 | p4rk | ey |
| 20:44.35 | beardy | archpollux: I see. I have had this problem myself sometimes, with TERM and different systems/terminal emulators, backspace behaving strange and so on. I can't give you a direct answer on how to solve it, since I'm not sure what the problem really is, it usually differs.. sorry. All I can advice you to do is to keep trying different TERM values, and experimenting.. Have you tried another terminal on the first box? Try a vt instead? or aterm, wterm, and |
| 20:44.36 | p4rk | what is acpi? |
| 20:44.46 | kspath | power controls? |
| 20:44.55 | wols | p4rk: power saving modes for PCs and notebooks |
| 20:45.07 | wols | advanced computer power interface or somesuch |
| 20:45.09 | p4rk | should i turn it off or no? |
| 20:45.14 | kspath | p4rk: apt-cache search acpi |
| 20:45.18 | wols | depends if you have notebook or desktop |
| 20:45.25 | archpollux | beardy: i have the same problem when i login directly into that RH machine (it's at work) |
| 20:45.30 | p4rk | its desktop |
| 20:45.47 | wols | ´then I wouldn't. you're on the powergrid |
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| 20:45.54 | wols | for notebooks it's to conserve battery power |
| 20:46.29 | p4rk | so no worry about turning this off |
| 20:46.33 | p4rk | ? |
| 20:46.36 | archpollux | beardy: actually the machine in the middle is not behaving correctly either, it displays a tilde when i press BS or Del |
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| 20:47.10 | beardy | archpollux: heh, you could have said that from the start.. :) Then you really should try asking #redhat, or their support, whatever their way is for support. |
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| 20:48.01 | beardy | archpollux: Is that when you login to X, or to a vt? |
| 20:48.16 | kspath | beardy: #rhel and for their free experimental #fedora good luck when you are ready to switch that deadrat machine over we will still be here |
| 20:48.29 | kspath | beardy: not you sorry |
| 20:48.33 | beardy | kspath: .. |
| 20:48.42 | beardy | kspath: noted |
| 20:49.04 | Kovecses | i love lamp |
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| 20:49.16 | kspath | Kovecses: Try DAPP? |
| 20:49.29 | Kovecses | kspath: DAPP? |
| 20:49.44 | kspath | Kovecses: Debian Apache PostgreSQL Perl/Python/php |
| 20:50.06 | Kovecses | kspath: naw i was referring to a stupid movie... lol |
| 20:50.25 | ozarka | I'm having a problem installing the drivers for my ipw2200 wirless networking card. I get a ton of errors about 'dereferencing pointer to incomplete type'... |
| 20:51.10 | unstable | My school is a stingy bastard, and they used to be me and my lug access to the internet(about 70 guys once a month) via cat5 port...but now they turned off the port. I used to bring in a wireless router and plug it into this port and feed the whole lug with internet during our few hours. Then unplug it and leave when the lug meeting is over. But now that they turned off the port, I want to use the wireless from my school on my laptop, then r |
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| 20:51.51 | tomas_ | URGENT HELP |
| 20:51.52 | tomas_ | needed |
| 20:51.56 | tomas_ | vloopback |
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| 20:52.00 | tomas_ | i really wanna get it working |
| 20:52.04 | unstable | I want to be able to setup my wired eth0 on my laptop so anyone can plugin to it(even a router) and get internet access. |
| 20:52.05 | wols | !enter |
| 20:52.05 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 20:52.07 | tomas_ | so i can use my firewire camera as a webcam |
| 20:52.12 | unstable | And my laptop will be connected via wireless. |
| 20:52.23 | tomas_ | please, anyone? |
| 20:52.23 | abrotman | tomas_: on debian? |
| 20:52.30 | tomas_ | sort of |
| 20:52.32 | tomas_ | kubuntu |
| 20:52.34 | wols | unstable: get ipmasq and make the wireless your "external" IP |
| 20:52.36 | abrotman | go ask #kubuntu |
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| 20:52.44 | tomas_ | abrotman: i was there |
| 20:52.45 | kspath | tomas_: unless the webcam is for an emergency surgery RIGHT NOW why is it so urgent? |
| 20:52.49 | dondelelcaro | unstable: so stick two wireless cards in (or a card that can do bridging) and bridge out the connection? |
| 20:52.49 | abrotman | tomas_: good .. go back |
| 20:52.52 | ozarka | Could somone help me set up my wireless networking card? |
| 20:52.58 | tomas_ | abrotman: they couldn't help me |
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| 20:53.02 | ozarka | It's a intell ipw 2200 |
| 20:53.14 | ozarka | intel* |
| 20:53.14 | tomas_ | abrotman: are you unwilling to help due to that its kubuntu and not debian? |
| 20:53.18 | abrotman | tomas_: kubuntu is not debian .. please go to #kubuntu or ##linux |
| 20:53.30 | tomas_ | abrotman: but its much a like so it could work |
| 20:53.32 | abrotman | tomas_: absolutely .. this channel is not for kubuntu support |
| 20:53.34 | kspath | tomas_ I am unwilling to help for that reason. Thank you! |
| 20:53.36 | abrotman | tomas_: i don't care |
| 20:53.39 | wols | dondelelcaro: he wants to use his wlan to access the uni net and use a wireless AP/router connected to eth0 to serve the LUG |
| 20:53.42 | tomas_ | :/ |
| 20:53.44 | tomas_ | thank you |
| 20:53.45 | tomas_ | open source |
| 20:53.46 | tomas_ | bah |
| 20:53.54 | tomas_ | you are just a bunch of mean people :/ |
| 20:53.57 | unstable | dondelelcaro: My laptop has builtin minipci and builtin cat5 port...I want to use my laptop with the hardware it has now, connect to the internet via wireless, and feed my lug via wired. |
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| 20:54.04 | unstable | lol |
| 20:54.04 | Kovecses | tomas_: no ... your in the wrong channel |
| 20:54.06 | dondelelcaro | unstable: sure, you can do that too... |
| 20:54.06 | abrotman | i'm a very mean person .. GRRRRR |
| 20:54.14 | unstable | dondelelcaro: ipmaq? |
| 20:54.22 | wols | unstable: ipmasq. apt-get it |
| 20:54.28 | archpollux | beardy: both |
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| 20:54.30 | unstable | ipmasq*, yes I go tit wols |
| 20:54.36 | dondelelcaro | unstable: yes; get the wireless working, then use iptables to masquerade the connection |
| 20:54.43 | beardy | tomas_: It's Free Software. |
| 20:55.23 | beardy | archpollux: Ok. What kspath said above, though he misdirected it at me. |
| 20:56.26 | unstable | dondelelcaro: How do I setup iptables? |
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| 20:56.49 | beardy | archpollux: Good luck. |
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| 20:56.55 | dondelelcaro | unstable: use ipmasq, or run the iptables commands manually |
| 20:57.29 | dondelelcaro | !tell unstable -about masq |
| 20:57.44 | archpollux | beardy: :) the channels are dead, of course... bad distro............. |
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| 20:58.40 | beardy | archpollux: If it's your company, don't they have support accounts with them? |
| 20:58.50 | jack_c | can someone tell me the exact module for 3com 905B [Cyclone] please ? |
| 20:58.50 | |valinux|xbm-x| | there was a row of mac computers,and right in the middel of them there was a windows computer, all the macs were sitting there waiting to be used, and the windows one was sitting at a blue screen :/ |
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| 21:00.00 | abrotman | |valinux|xbm-x|: the macs probably attacked it |
| 21:00.40 | sithi | how do i use quagga or zebra |
| 21:00.47 | hackel | Anyone know of a simple program (using fam?) that will monitor a file or directory for changes and automatically upload (scp) said files to a remote location? |
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| 21:01.31 | dondelelcaro | hackel: you can just use fam to call rsync to do that |
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| 21:02.49 | hackel | dondelelcaro: there's a way to specify an action with FAM? I've just got gamin installed now and it notifies the kernel but another application needs to respond to that message. |
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| 21:03.43 | |valinux|xbm-x| | Every once in a while, Windows just drops the ball and wanders off somewhere to sit under a tree. You're left looking at a computer that just looks back. Panicked clicks don't do anything. Pressing every key on the keyboard doesn't do anything or worse yet, the computer starts to beep at every key press. :/ |
| 21:03.51 | beardy | jack_c: 3c59x probably |
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| 21:04.07 | netcatc | debhelper, what did you say? |
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| 21:05.07 | madona | hello |
| 21:05.10 | laurens_ | 44967 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8993.256 FPS |
| 21:05.10 | laurens_ | 45016 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9003.191 FPS |
| 21:05.10 | laurens_ | 44989 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8997.618 FPS |
| 21:05.11 | laurens_ | 44998 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8999.474 FPS |
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| 21:05.14 | dabreegster | Hey, I'm trying to get hardware accelerated OpenGL going on my machine. It used to work, but the upgrade on etch to x.org seems to have broken it. I've noticed that I have the libgl1-mesa- packages that all conflict with the xlibmesa- packages. The description of xlibmesa-gl leads me to believe I should be using the xlibmesa- packages with x.org. Is this right? |
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| 21:05.20 | laurens_ | whoops. |
| 21:05.23 | laurens_ | One line too many |
| 21:05.37 | dondelelcaro | laurens_: 3 lines too many... |
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| 21:05.55 | wols | laurens_: considering the cntent, at least 3 lines too many |
| 21:05.58 | madona | I have kernel-image-2.6-k7 AND linux-image-2.6-k7 . Is kernel-image necesary ? |
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| 21:06.17 | abrotman | madona: it's probably a transitional package |
| 21:06.17 | dabreegster | madona: I don't think so, linux-image replaces kernel-image |
| 21:06.30 | madona | oh thanks.. |
| 21:06.45 | beardy | madona: it's probably the same package, with different names, or a virtual package |
| 21:07.00 | madona | umm |
| 21:07.04 | dondelelcaro | hackel: there are a bunch of programs that work with fam... grep-available -FDepends fam -nds Package; will give you some idea of what's out there... |
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| 21:07.35 | tijn | hey all |
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| 21:07.53 | tijn | anyone knows a good data recover prog for a broen disk? |
| 21:08.15 | sithi | kspath: can u see my questions at #zebra |
| 21:08.16 | beardy | tijn: Your backups. |
| 21:08.27 | tijn | ;P |
| 21:08.35 | tijn | i know, its not mine |
| 21:08.40 | wols | tijn: try smartmontools |
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| 21:09.39 | tijn | k ill have a look |
| 21:09.42 | tijn | thnx |
| 21:10.03 | dabreegster | Does anybody know the difference between the xlibmesa- packages and libgl1-mesa-*? |
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| 21:10.08 | schrankwand | bye |
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| 21:12.55 | Chance | hello does anyone has any ideea regarding this ? Use of uninitialized value in length at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7/File/Type.pm line 21. or Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7/File/Type.pm line 21. i am getting this when trying to execute a perl file |
| 21:12.55 | unstable | dondelelcaro: When I setup ipmasq and I feed other people through my laptop...is my laptop able to connect to the internet or no? |
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| 21:13.13 | dabreegster | Chance: Try upgrading the File::Type module |
| 21:13.24 | dabreegster | Chance: Either that or the perl script is using it incorrectly |
| 21:13.25 | Chance | how i do that ? |
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| 21:13.47 | Chance | how do i check whet version the script needs and how do i upgrade the module to last version |
| 21:13.49 | Chance | ? |
| 21:14.04 | dabreegster | Chance: The module is actually in the libfile-type-perl package |
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| 21:14.28 | Chance | but ain't 5.8.7 last version ? |
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| 21:14.55 | wols | !sid perl |
| 21:14.59 | dabreegster | Chance: That's of Perl itself, and actually I think there's a newer. Just upgrade the libfile-type-perl package and see if it works. |
| 21:15.25 | wols | unstable: it is |
| 21:15.44 | sithi | is there any way i get a debian linux kernel which supports multipath routing |
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| 21:16.15 | Chance | dabreegster and how to do that ? |
| 21:16.16 | wols | sithi: get kernel source, patch it if multipath not in the official kernel and build a custom kernel |
| 21:16.26 | wols | Chance: apt-get |
| 21:16.36 | dabreegster | Chance: apt-get install libfile-type-perl as root |
| 21:17.01 | iNAP | i downloaded firefox.. now in th erelease notes for the installation, it says extract the tarball in the directory where you want to install firefox, im new to linux, so where would you usually install this stuff? |
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| 21:17.25 | thingfish | iNAP: you'd be better off getting firefox .deb from backports.org. |
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| 21:17.32 | Dwonis | iNAP: You don't need to do that. Just run "apt-get install firefox" (or "apt-get install mozilla-firefox", if the other one doesn't work) |
| 21:17.32 | wols | iNAP: install firefox from a debian package or a backport. NOT via tarball |
| 21:17.40 | iNAP | which i do how? |
| 21:17.44 | dabreegster | iNAP: A binary firefox package is available. If you're compiling from source, that's different. |
| 21:17.46 | iNAP | oh ok |
| 21:17.52 | Ollie | Do I need to auth to speak in here? |
| 21:17.52 | iNAP | and do i need to do it threw root? |
| 21:17.59 | sewi | what dpi with startx command should I use for 17" CRT monitor with 1024x768? |
| 21:18.01 | thingfish | iNAP: go to www.backports.org, it'll tell you what to do. |
| 21:18.04 | wols | Ollie: no |
| 21:18.19 | dabreegster | Yes, usually apt-get installs requires root. |
| 21:18.22 | [machine] | inap: yeh, or via sudo |
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| 21:18.45 | wols | sewi: I'd use 75 |
| 21:19.10 | iNAP | it tells me its the newest version |
| 21:19.14 | iNAP | but i know its not |
| 21:19.21 | Ollie | Ok cool |
| 21:19.29 | iNAP | but when i do install firefox |
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| 21:19.43 | iNAP | it tells me the package is not available so maybe i gotta add it to my sources list |
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| 21:19.52 | Dwonis | iNAP: If you're running stable (sarge), then you probbly want to go to www.backports.org, like dabreegster said |
| 21:19.59 | chaedaeX | anyone recommend a good, cross-platform deployment system? |
| 21:20.49 | iNAP | how do i know if im runnin sarge or etch? |
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| 21:20.56 | iNAP | hm i think sarge. |
| 21:20.56 | iNAP | lol |
| 21:21.05 | chaedaeX | iNAP: how do you not know? |
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| 21:21.12 | iNAP | i think sarge |
| 21:21.12 | iNAP | lol |
| 21:21.22 | wols | iNAP: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:21.23 | [machine] | chae: what languages? |
| 21:21.26 | stew | iNAP: what version does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" report? |
| 21:21.28 | thingfish | that's what I always think, when someone asks that question, chaedaeX. |
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| 21:22.08 | iNAP | wols: i get testing/unstable |
| 21:22.09 | chaedaeX | to run either one, presumably you had to do something. for it to have changed, you would have had to do something else... |
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| 21:22.18 | dabreegster | Anybody know why upgrading apt on Etch causes aptitude and tasksel to be removed? I'm about to trace the dependencies, but thought somebody might know. |
| 21:22.18 | iNAP | stew: i get libc 2.3.5-13 |
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| 21:22.40 | stew | iNAP: you are running testing then |
| 21:22.58 | stew | (aka etch) |
| 21:22.58 | hackel | dondelelcaro: Thanks but that doesn't really reveal much on sid! |
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| 21:23.05 | iNAP | there are so many amd64 .deb's in backports under firefox |
| 21:23.08 | iNAP | how do i know which one |
| 21:23.12 | dabreegster | iNAP: You should have a mozilla-firefox package then |
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| 21:23.24 | dabreegster | iNAP: Oh, amd64. Dunno about that. |
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| 21:23.32 | iNAP | it tells me its already at the newest version |
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| 21:23.39 | stew | iNAP: by backports you mean backports.org? |
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| 21:23.43 | iNAP | yes. |
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| 21:23.47 | stew | iNAP: backports.org is for stable, not testing |
| 21:23.47 | himmelstrutz_ | I'm going mad. After ripping my hair I'm getting bald. Harakiri will be next. My problem is: I've got a Phoenix BIOS that wont recognize either the floppy or the cdrom - so I can't boot from them. Since I can boot up an old win98 I do that just to see the OS that was planned to vanish from this computer - with win98 the cdrom/floppy works fine. No loose cables or whatever, that one might have expected. I'm been jerking around wi |
| 21:23.52 | himmelstrutz_ | th BIOS but can't find no solution. HELP! |
| 21:23.52 | mfrisch | I did an upgrade on my router and since then I cannot login- at a console or ssh. Everthing loads and works fine, execpt THAT. |
| 21:24.03 | dabreegster | iNAP: Then you probably already have it. See if you have a firefox binary. |
| 21:24.03 | Ollie | when i save in vi using ZZ what do i need to press to take it out of input mode? |
| 21:24.19 | iNAP | mm.. |
| 21:24.20 | mfrisch | esc |
| 21:24.33 | Gnea | himmelstrutz_: go do something else |
| 21:24.34 | thingfish | iNAP: add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main |
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| 21:24.55 | thingfish | iNAP: assuming you're running sarge, that is. |
| 21:25.09 | Fox_1_ | how can i change apt-setup's proxy server??? i have changed proxy setting in /etc/apt/apt.conf, but it again what to connect by old proxy. |
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| 21:25.25 | himmelstrutz_ | gnea: I need to solve this... |
| 21:25.33 | rav | hello. i have sort of a trivial question. in the Xflame screensaver from KDE, it says you can set on fire any image you supply, but i can't get it to work. anyone knows how it works? |
| 21:25.33 | stew | iNAP: there is no firefox package for testing yet, it is stuck in unstable. your choices are to stick with the mozilla-firefox package which is 1.0.7 or install the firefox package from unstable |
| 21:25.48 | robin_sz | himmelstrutz_: do you mean "the bios wont reconnise the floppy or the cdrom" or do you mean "the bios wont boot from the floppy or the cdrom" ... slightly different I think |
| 21:25.49 | blazefx | what up |
| 21:25.55 | iNAP | i see.. |
| 21:25.57 | stew | iNAP: and you might be interested in /msg dpkg why is firefox not in testing |
| 21:26.01 | Gnea | himmelstrutz_: sometimes doing something else then coming back to the problem will save the amount of hair on your head - what revision is the BIOS? |
| 21:26.21 | dn4 | this one guy wants me to hack his root password, anyone know how to do that? |
| 21:26.31 | robin_sz | dn4: yes |
| 21:26.35 | Gnea | dn4: what for? |
| 21:26.42 | beardy | dn4: Have him show you. |
| 21:26.47 | dabreegster | dn4: Unless it's his box and he's forgotten it, you might want to question the legality of what you're about to try. |
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| 21:27.19 | dn4 | it is his box and he forgot the password |
| 21:27.23 | stew | dn4: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 21:27.26 | dn4 | now he is like I dont want to reinstall |
| 21:27.34 | dn4 | and wants me to find his password some where |
| 21:27.38 | mfrisch | sure he is |
| 21:27.41 | robin_sz | dn4: no one is so stupid as to forget root. |
| 21:27.49 | dabreegster | dn4: What boot loader is he using? |
| 21:27.50 | wols | himmelstrutz_: load DOS/win98 and then use loadlin |
| 21:27.57 | thingfish | robin_sz: you'd think so, but it happens. |
| 21:28.04 | beardy | robin_sz: ? Of course there is. Stupidity has no boundries. |
| 21:28.10 | robin_sz | hmmm |
| 21:28.14 | Gnea | dn4: just change it and tell him what the new one is |
| 21:28.17 | thingfish | especially here in america. |
| 21:28.22 | robin_sz | ]true I guess .. there must be really stupid people |
| 21:28.36 | dn4 | dabreegster, Grub 2 |
| 21:28.36 | Gnea | robin_sz: forgetting root pw is stupid? |
| 21:28.40 | wols | dn4: boot from a knoppix CD and remove the passowrd for root from /etc/shadow- |
| 21:28.52 | mfrisch | I donnot know my root password. But if I need to change I know HOW |
| 21:28.53 | wols | it will give him a blank root password he can change |
| 21:28.55 | himmelstrutz_ | wols: thats a great solution!!! thanks man, that seem to be the only thing worth doing(thanks you others too) |
| 21:28.57 | dabreegster | Gnea: Yeah. I'd say it is. |
| 21:28.59 | kspath | robin_sz: yes, there are. look at me. |
| 21:29.05 | beardy | robin_sz: Perhaps he just forgot it because it was too long, or he didn't used it much, which is quite good actually. |
| 21:29.06 | [machine] | dn4: locally, hit e and make it boot to bash rather than init, then mount the disk rw and edit shadow |
| 21:29.10 | Gnea | !noob |
| 21:29.10 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
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| 21:29.42 | robin_sz | shrug ... |
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| 21:30.03 | Gnea | dabreegster: there are times when it is stupid, and when it's a lifesaver |
| 21:30.11 | robin_sz | well, ok, maybe I just dont know anyone whose " so competent" they mislaid their own root password |
| 21:30.37 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 21:30.38 | wols | I think that happened twice by now |
| 21:30.38 | robin_sz | thats different |
| 21:30.43 | Gnea | now that's a PITA |
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| 21:30.50 | robin_sz | thats someone elses silly password |
| 21:31.00 | King_Andy | dvm1981, Hey there! |
| 21:31.05 | sithi | is there any advanced project as that of zebra or quagga |
| 21:31.07 | Fox_1_ | people how can i stop proccess? kill(killall) doesn't work. |
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| 21:31.15 | wols | Fox_1_: kill -9 |
| 21:31.21 | dabreegster | Fox_1_: kill -9? |
| 21:31.29 | robin_sz | anyway. real admins always use root :) |
| 21:31.31 | Dwonis | Fox_1_: If you're not running as root, you can only kill your own processes |
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| 21:31.46 | Dwonis | robin_sz: Some of us don't use password authentication for the root account |
| 21:31.48 | Chance | help i have done an upgrade and it upgraded my mysql to 5.0 and i wanted 4.1 now i try to get back to 4.1 but doesn't work |
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| 21:31.57 | Fox_1_ | kill -9 ??? (???=process ID???) |
| 21:31.59 | Chance | gives errors |
| 21:32.01 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Yo man :-) |
| 21:32.03 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 21:32.03 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 21:32.06 | Fox_1_ | Dwonis: i know. |
| 21:32.06 | Dwonis | robin_sz: On several of my machines, the root account has a disabled password |
| 21:32.11 | King_Andy | dvm1981, how are ya? |
| 21:32.20 | dabreegster | Fox_1_: Yes. Or killall -9 name |
| 21:32.24 | stew | Chance: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:32.25 | robin_sz | Dwonis: likewise. .ssh keys |
| 21:32.25 | Fox_1_ | ok |
| 21:32.36 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Great, i use my Debian system ;-) |
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| 21:32.51 | Chance | stew 3.1 |
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| 21:33.14 | stew | Chance: where did you install mysql 5.0 from ? a backport? from unstable? |
| 21:33.24 | Chance | stew testing/unstable |
| 21:33.39 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: If you want to send me a priv msg use '/msg dvm1981 MESSAGE' |
| 21:33.59 | stew | Chance: you really shouldn't install unstable packages on a stable system, you are likely actually running unstable now |
| 21:34.07 | King_Andy | dvm1981, i actually came looking for help one last time :-p |
| 21:34.10 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Otherwise people are not happy when we talk OT (Off topic) |
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| 21:34.28 | stew | Chance: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy mysql-server-4.1 libc6" into a pastebin? |
| 21:34.36 | robin_sz | Dwonis: http://www.theregister.com/2006/02/24/bofh_2006_episode_8/ |
| 21:34.38 | dn4 | when you hit e at grub does that bring you into bash mode? |
| 21:34.51 | dabreegster | dn4: No. |
| 21:34.53 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Ask here, there are many people waiting to help :-) |
| 21:35.06 | sithi | my requirement is to connect all my 3 differnt isp's to my linux box, so that, load balancing, and if one isp line goes down, the other 2 isp can mange, is there any solution and how do i go about it |
| 21:35.09 | dabreegster | robin_sz: They've made new bofh episodes? |
| 21:35.36 | stew | sithi: start reading about "multi-homed" at lartc.org |
| 21:35.37 | Chance | stew http://pastebin.com/577340 |
| 21:35.39 | dn4 | what does e take you to ? |
| 21:35.46 | King_Andy | I cant figure out how to set up my wireless internet, I cannot get the drivers for the card off the website...i have an AT&T 6500G wireless card for my Desktop |
| 21:35.47 | Fox_1_ | how can i change apt-setup's proxy server??? i have changed proxy setting in /etc/apt/apt.conf, but it again what to connect by old proxy.??? |
| 21:35.57 | robin_sz | sithi: see the LART project ... you can do that in MANY ways. tc is just one such way |
| 21:36.07 | dabreegster | dn4: A GRUB prompt where you can tell the kernel to load bash, not init. |
| 21:36.12 | stew | Chance: ok, so you aren't running 3.1, you are running testing aka etch. |
| 21:36.19 | Fox_1_ | what=want |
| 21:36.30 | sithi | what is tc, |
| 21:36.34 | robin_sz | Dwonis: one episode a week, from the original author on theregister.com. |
| 21:36.45 | Dwonis | robin_sz: Heh! |
| 21:36.46 | stew | Chance: *for now* mysql 4.1 should still be available in testing, although before long it should be removed. |
| 21:36.48 | Chance | stew yes i have sayd it right after i said 3.1 |
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| 21:36.55 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: If the driver is not supported by the system. Look on the website of ndiswrapper. |
| 21:36.59 | Chance | stew i had 4.1 |
| 21:37.02 | dabreegster | robin_sz: Awesome |
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| 21:37.07 | stew | Chance: can you show us what command you are tyring to run to install mysql 4.1 and what errors you get? |
| 21:37.10 | robin_sz | sithi: the the LART procect for details |
| 21:37.14 | King_Andy | dvm1981, ill look it up now |
| 21:37.15 | Chance | stew just few mins ago i have don an upgrade and removed my 4.1 and installed 5.0 |
| 21:37.24 | dvm1981 | !tell King_Andy about ndiswrapper |
| 21:37.44 | ozarka | I just finished installing the driver for my ipw2200 wireless card, but it's not showing up under iwconfig |
| 21:37.45 | dn4 | thank you all fo rhelping me out |
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| 21:38.03 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.17 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: But im not sure you really need it, possible that the card are supported by the system. I not know that card, if sommeone can confirm that |
| 21:38.19 | dn4 | I also learned something in the process which rox me face off! |
| 21:38.22 | stew | King_Andy: what chipset does your card have? |
| 21:38.29 | King_Andy | no clue |
| 21:38.33 | robin_sz | sithi: http://lartc.org/ |
| 21:38.34 | dvm1981 | nice :-) |
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| 21:38.44 | Chance | stew ok i managed to install it but now i get this: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 21:38.46 | klync | hey all, the grep manpage talks about the -P flag for a perl regex, but it returns an error... i'm just trying to get it to match hex character codes |
| 21:38.48 | ozarka | Uhoh, ok, when I try to modprobe ipw2200 I get this 'FATAL: Error inserting ipw2200 (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)' |
| 21:38.51 | dvm1981 | stew ^^ |
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| 21:39.07 | pae | hello |
| 21:39.16 | Chance | stew file exists already checked |
| 21:39.19 | King_Andy | dvm1981, im going to try "apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper" |
| 21:39.44 | pae | me again with a n00b question: how do I tell debian to use dhcp at boot, without me needing to do it manually |
| 21:39.47 | robin_sz | sithi: sorry meant lartc not LART, must be too much BOFH on the brain. anyway, tc is what you need probably |
| 21:39.51 | stew | King_Andy: what driver does your card use? |
| 21:40.06 | Chance | any idee stew ? |
| 21:40.07 | stew | Chance: turn on logging and see what the logs say. you also might try running "mysqld" from the command line to see if you get any verbose errors |
| 21:40.10 | Chance | ideea* |
| 21:40.14 | klync | pae: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:40.16 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Answet the question of stew man :-/ |
| 21:40.32 | Fox_1_ | how can i change apt-setup's proxy server??? i have changed proxy setting in /etc/apt/apt.conf, but it again want to connect by old proxy.??? |
| 21:40.34 | King_Andy | stew, windows? |
| 21:40.46 | stew | ozarka: how did you install the ipw2200 module, with m-a? |
| 21:41.00 | King_Andy | stew, yes...windows it says on the sites i looked for Linux drivers for it |
| 21:41.01 | Chance | stew http://pastebin.com/577355 |
| 21:41.07 | |valinux|xbm-x| | is this whats linux ewally means http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unix6yd.jpg |
| 21:41.08 | stew | King_Andy: what make / model is the card? |
| 21:41.11 | Chance | seems like the user table is broke |
| 21:41.13 | kspath | sithi: if you have iproute installed type man tc |
| 21:41.15 | pae | klync: what do I do about that file? |
| 21:41.16 | Chance | 5.0 crashed it |
| 21:41.18 | dvm1981 | stew: AT&T 6500G wireless card |
| 21:41.28 | King_Andy | AT&T 6500g |
| 21:41.33 | klync | pae: `man interfaces` |
| 21:41.38 | dvm1981 | stew : He say it prevously but he forget it. |
| 21:41.43 | King_Andy | oh, lol, dvm1981 beat me to it |
| 21:41.48 | wols | not broken. it has changed with the version it seems. its format at least |
| 21:41.53 | stew | Chance: doh, you might be stuck then, you might need to restore the tables from backups |
| 21:42.03 | zinx | |valinux|xbm-x|: that's UNIX, not linux :D |
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| 21:42.06 | stew | Chance: or stick with 5.0 |
| 21:42.26 | dvm1981 | stew: How can we know if that card is supported? Where you look to? |
| 21:42.47 | pae | klync: ok, I figured it out |
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| 21:42.51 | stew | dvm1981: i don't know. what is really needed is to figure out what chipset it uses |
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| 21:42.54 | pae | thanks |
| 21:42.56 | wols | dvm1981: google. "linux <card>" |
| 21:43.01 | King_Andy | okay |
| 21:43.23 | Chance | no way |
| 21:43.29 | Chance | i will remake it manually |
| 21:43.39 | klync | pae: make sure /etc/init.d/networking is executed at startup, and that's it |
| 21:43.50 | dvm1981 | wols : Stupid of my :-/ |
| 21:43.51 | Chance | all i have to remake is mysql table |
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| 21:44.09 | stew | Chance: however you don't know if the user table is the only one, or just the only one it has tried so far, you might find that all the tables are now in a 5.0 format |
| 21:44.13 | wols | dvm1981: madwifi supports the card |
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| 21:44.22 | pae | klync: how do I do that? |
| 21:44.26 | wols | dvm1981: http://www.dudek.org/dudek.org/wireless |
| 21:44.53 | stew | King_Andy: if, as wols says, the card is supported by madwifi, /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 21:45.02 | dvm1981 | wols : I'm happy :-0 |
| 21:45.14 | King_Andy | wols, dvm1981 , thanks |
| 21:45.17 | King_Andy | ill try it |
| 21:45.19 | klync | pae: `man update-rc.d` .... you might want to check debian.org for some basics of system administration |
| 21:45.19 | King_Andy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.21 | King_Andy | shit |
| 21:45.24 | King_Andy | lol |
| 21:45.42 | King_Andy | got the msg thing, LOL |
| 21:46.02 | klync | pae: also, try this commant to find out which runlevels currently run that script ls /etc/rc?.d/*networking* |
| 21:46.03 | pae | klync: ok |
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| 21:46.19 | pae | ok |
| 21:46.21 | sithi | i had seen the man page of 'tc' |
| 21:46.33 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: ;-) |
| 21:46.40 | sithi | is there any examples, so that i can understand better |
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| 21:49.10 | King_Andy | dvm1981, i am installing now |
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| 21:49.24 | King_Andy | dvm1981, you know without your help i would NEVER have learned so much |
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| 21:49.41 | startxwhite | is there a newer *downloadable* tar.gz version of the driver for rtl8180 + sa2400 than the one found on http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=114161 ? i mean i do not have cvs let alone internet at home and this machine is a friend's |
| 21:49.43 | King_Andy | dvm1981, thank you so much again for the past few days of help |
| 21:50.10 | Dwonis | startxwhite: There are cvs clients for Windows, IIRC |
| 21:50.32 | Woosta | udev is great in that it gives me /dev/disk/by-id/ but when I plug new hardware in, it doesn't get a device node. Is there some way to get it to rescan? Biggest problem is putting a card into my card reader... even dmesg doesn't show anything happening |
| 21:50.36 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: Not forget the other people that have help you, also the people that have learn on my all the great things, Linus, Stalleman, and all the people we forget to thank . THANKS TO EVERYBODY for that great thing here. Verrry thanks |
| 21:50.42 | startxwhite | Dwonis: i do not use windows and have no internet connection at home |
| 21:50.54 | Dwonis | startxwhite: What are you using right now? |
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| 21:51.15 | startxwhite | gnu/linux debian. a friends pc |
| 21:51.24 | Woosta | startxwhite: your home must be boring if it has no windows and no internet connection. I hope you at least have a tv! |
| 21:51.37 | dvm1981 | startxwhite: That's true :-) |
| 21:52.16 | startxwhite | what can i do regarding the driver? |
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| 21:52.40 | dvm1981 | King_Andy: ;-) you are playing here with the greatest thing in the world 'Debian GNU/Linux' :-) |
| 21:52.46 | Dwonis | startxwhite: If you download the cvs package, and use dpkg-deb to extract the files to your home directory, you should be able to use cvs without having it installed as root. |
| 21:52.47 | King_Andy | :) |
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| 21:53.15 | Dwonis | startxwhite: Or, if you trust me not to be malicious, I can download what you need with CVS and post it to the web somewhere |
| 21:54.53 | startxwhite | Dwonis: what cvs package? can i just download now on my friends pc, save it on a flash drive and then install at home where i have NO internet connection? |
| 21:55.13 | Dwonis | startxwhite: Yes, that would be the idea. |
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| 21:55.21 | nekostar | ah HA |
| 21:55.26 | nekostar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.37 | vulture | startxwhite: apt-zip provides you with a clean way to get packages for a disconnected system |
| 21:55.47 | vulture | bit laborious if the computers aren't near one another perhaps.. but doable |
| 21:56.01 | startxwhite | Dwonis: ok. how can i do it right now? |
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| 21:56.56 | Dwonis | startxwhite: How can you do what right now? What have you done so far? |
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| 21:57.31 | King_Andy | dvm1981, be back in a few min |
| 21:57.47 | Chance | stew i recreated the mysql database but now mysql.time_zone_leap_second is missing |
| 21:57.52 | Chance | runs withouth it |
| 21:58.03 | Chance | but it might be needed to something for the future |
| 21:58.06 | startxwhite | Dwonis: are you there? |
| 21:58.28 | Dwonis | startxwhite: Yes. You still haven't answered my question. |
| 21:58.40 | startxwhite | Dwonis: what cvs package? can i just download now on my friends pc, save it on a flash drive and then install at home where i have NO internet connection? |
| 21:58.49 | startxwhite | but how? |
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| 22:00.11 | Dwonis | startxwhite: How what? What do you want to know? How to download a file? How to use CVS? How to mount a flash drive? |
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| 22:01.17 | King_Andy | dvm1981, i ran what i dkpg told me to, but when i go to configure my internet it says something about there being no card |
| 22:01.43 | startxwhite | how can i get the latest downloadble drive for rtl8180. the saving onto a flash drive i know already |
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| 22:02.22 | abrotman | Dwonis: how are you? |
| 22:02.24 | stew | Chance: well if that table is only needed when there is actually a leap second, you are fine. but who knows |
| 22:02.39 | Dwonis | abrotman: not bad, you? |
| 22:02.47 | abrotman | Dwonis: do i need to wave somemore? |
| 22:02.54 | Dwonis | abrotman: If you like |
| 22:03.07 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:03.22 | startxwhite | Dwonis: are you there? |
| 22:03.31 | Dwonis | startxwhite: not a clue. I don't use rtl8180 |
| 22:03.59 | Dwonis | startxwhite: Also, your constant "are you there?" messages are extremely rude |
| 22:04.09 | startxwhite | ok |
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| 22:04.15 | robin_sz | how rude? |
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| 22:04.20 | startxwhite | ok |
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| 22:04.51 | Dwonis | robin_sz: extremely |
| 22:05.03 | Dwonis | robin_sz: Are you there? |
| 22:05.05 | loggygreg | i search a picture browser for KDE, any idea ? |
| 22:05.06 | robin_sz | Dwonis: including nudity? |
| 22:05.13 | Dwonis | robin_sz: of course |
| 22:05.19 | robin_sz | thats quite rude. |
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| 22:06.15 | startxwhite | nudity? gnudity more like! |
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| 22:06.40 | dondelelcaro | loggygreg: feh is probably the best one you're going to find... |
| 22:07.09 | robin_sz | so A guy turns up for work looking very pleased ... "whats up?" asks his friend. Well, you know I live down by the railtracks? " "yeah .." ... "well, last night on the way home, I found this girl tied to the tracks .. I untied her, took her home and we screwed all night!" |
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| 22:07.13 | abrotman | eog still gets my vote |
| 22:07.16 | Daishi | so last night i apt-get dist-upgraded and hadnt in a while (550MB upgrade), it upgraded xorg and when all was done i reloaded the x server just to make sure it was ok with ctrl+alt+bksp but now when i boot and it gets to X the monitor after a pause will go into some sort of sleep/hibernate and not come out of it |
| 22:07.23 | robin_sz | "wow" says his friend .. did you get a blowjob?" |
| 22:07.26 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: that's rediculously OT here. |
| 22:07.31 | Daishi | whats this x.org stuff on backports? |
| 22:07.35 | abrotman | Daishi: nvidia/ati ? |
| 22:07.41 | Daishi | ati radeon |
| 22:07.44 | robin_sz | "nah, .... never did find the head ..." |
| 22:07.48 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 22:07.48 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@adsl.redpoint.org.uk] by dondelelcaro |
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| 22:07.48 | Daishi | like 7200 (old but it works) |
| 22:07.54 | abrotman | Daishi: were you using thier proprietary drivres? |
| 22:07.57 | wols | startxwhite: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloads1-3.aspx?software=True&compamodel=RTL8180L |
| 22:08.04 | Daishi | no there are none for this card |
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| 22:08.06 | abrotman | Daishi: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:08.13 | Daishi | i did and everything was ok |
| 22:08.18 | abrotman | everything? |
| 22:08.23 | Daishi | yea |
| 22:08.25 | abrotman | not a single EE line? |
| 22:08.26 | loggygreg | dondelelcaro: yes i know and i like it but i search for the KDE environement |
| 22:08.41 | Daishi | i think i grepped for EE |
| 22:08.48 | Daishi | ill double check |
| 22:09.30 | embrik | can't get in touch with my new sony ericsson w6001 via usb, gets the message that it is wrong filesystem (i've set it to be vfat in fstab) |
| 22:09.52 | abrotman | Daishi: if all else fails .. try to reconfigure X |
| 22:09.55 | abrotman | !drxx Daishi |
| 22:09.55 | dpkg | Daishi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:09.59 | startxwhite | i am not rude. His Holiness is said to be very rude but then again he suffers from a variant of the Asperger's syndrome |
| 22:10.13 | Daishi | k, will do |
| 22:10.16 | Daishi | thanks |
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| 22:10.37 | Pur1ty | can debian run CS:S ok? |
| 22:10.48 | startxwhite | btw the drivers supplied by realtek are not good and do not offer monitor mode. on top of that they are not free |
| 22:10.54 | wols | Pur1ty: if WINE can run it yes, otherwise no |
| 22:10.56 | centrx | Daishi, there are problems with the Radeons on the new x.org 6.9.0 |
| 22:11.00 | Daishi | and nope not a single ee |
| 22:11.07 | embrik | what kind of filesystem do you think a cellphone would use? |
| 22:11.07 | centrx | Daishi, I am just staying with 6.8.2 until they are fixed |
| 22:11.09 | Pur1ty | ok |
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| 22:11.28 | Pur1ty | is there a list of games that it can run? |
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| 22:11.45 | sami__ | Can someone help to mount partition with bad sectors? |
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| 22:11.53 | munzir | Hi, I configured syaptic network section by filling a proxy server. Which configuration file store this piece of info please? |
| 22:11.55 | Daishi | centrx, i see |
| 22:12.22 | wols | Pur1ty: Winehq |
| 22:12.38 | Daishi | how do i down grade again? i need to apt-get remove xserver-xorg and grab 6.8.2 from snapshots.debian.org? |
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| 22:12.52 | Pur1ty | i mean, debian can run, without having to use wine |
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| 22:13.21 | abrotman | Daishi: why? |
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| 22:13.31 | fisne | he |
| 22:13.33 | fisne | hey |
| 22:13.34 | abrotman | centrx: how old is your ATI? |
| 22:13.39 | fisne | what quiet splash mean? |
| 22:13.43 | Daishi | cause 6.9.0 isnt working right according to centrx? |
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| 22:14.18 | abrotman | mean little pond |
| 22:14.20 | veles-B | i found a way to get past the NEW windows-genuine-advantage checker!!! |
| 22:14.30 | abrotman | veles-B: wrong damn channel |
| 22:14.39 | wols | veles-B: welcome to 2005 |
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| 22:14.44 | Pur1ty | lol |
| 22:15.04 | veles-B | wols WGA was updated today |
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| 22:15.23 | abrotman | isn't typonaise a drug? |
| 22:15.28 | thingfish | why do we fucking care? |
| 22:15.46 | thingfish | I mean, about veles-B's stuff. |
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| 22:16.01 | fisne | is acpi should be on or off if you're on a desktop? |
| 22:16.08 | abrotman | depends on the desktop |
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| 22:16.21 | fisne | what does it mean anyway? |
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| 22:16.25 | wols | usually off |
| 22:16.30 | veles-B | wait, just because i dony use UNIX or a UNIX-like operating System it doen`t mean i am stupid |
| 22:16.34 | Andy298 | how can i make a filename by date |
| 22:16.41 | abrotman | veles-B: it |
| 22:16.43 | thingfish | veles-B: yes, it does, pretty much. |
| 22:16.44 | wols | veles-B: but it makes you OT to this channel |
| 22:16.45 | centrx | abrotman, 9500SE, which is i don't know maybe 6 months toa year old |
| 22:16.48 | stew | veles-B: you are talking about a way to circumvent the windows anti-piracy stuff? |
| 22:16.51 | abrotman | veles-B: it's realy freaking off topic .. please go away |
| 22:16.59 | abrotman | centrx: his is 7200 .. i can't imagine it wouldn't work |
| 22:17.04 | veles-B | stew yes |
| 22:17.06 | abrotman | god i can't type |
| 22:17.08 | fisne | ic |
| 22:17.13 | Daishi | oo heh |
| 22:17.20 | Daishi | at first i thought the card died on me |
| 22:17.21 | thingfish | yeah, what's the deal? someone gets banned earlier for telling a joke, and this pud gets allowed to talk all he wants. |
| 22:17.25 | stew | !ops veles-B talking about windows warez |
| 22:17.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: veles-B talking about windows warez |
| 22:17.39 | centrx | abrotman, there are several bugs relatead to Radeons on bugs.d.o, which also point to bugs filed on the x.org bug system |
| 22:17.50 | abrotman | centrx: windows sucks! .. |
| 22:18.02 | Daishi | abrotman, heh im on xp right now |
| 22:18.07 | abrotman | centrx: that's pretty widespread |
| 22:18.07 | Aim_Here | Install freedos |
| 22:18.09 | kspath | FreeDOS! |
| 22:18.09 | Daishi | it only detects my mouse every few boots |
| 22:18.11 | wols | abrotman: worried for your karma |
| 22:18.12 | abrotman | Daishi: try the vesa driver |
| 22:18.19 | thingfish | DOS is probably the only thing MS ever did half right. |
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| 22:18.28 | abrotman | wols: have you checked with god lately? .. i'm totally screwed :) |
| 22:18.31 | Aim_Here | MS hardware is often usable. |
| 22:18.33 | Daishi | abrotman, will do |
| 22:18.35 | Daishi | thanks |
| 22:18.36 | veles-B | well if Windows XP was cheaper why would people pirate it????? |
| 22:18.39 | centrx | abrotman, it seems to affect many cards with different results, i for one thing it should release-critical because, yea, i guess ati cards are pretty widespread |
| 22:18.42 | embrik | what kind of filesystem do you think a sonyericsson cell phone/walkman would use? Trying to connect via usb, but it won't connect.. |
| 22:18.43 | abrotman | veles-B: please go away |
| 22:18.53 | wols | abrotman: why? did you draw the mohammed cartoons? |
| 22:19.05 | stew | veles-B: your discussion is not appropriate for this network, please do me the favor of leaving so i don't have to find an ircop |
| 22:19.10 | abrotman | wols: no . i just have really bad karma .. ask dpkg .. even he knows |
| 22:19.11 | thingfish | abrotman's karma is fine. As a degreed theologian, I proclaim him as possessing superb karma. |
| 22:19.13 | veles-B | np |
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| 22:19.21 | wols | centrx: considering ati drivers are closed source, it's not release critical by definition |
| 22:19.25 | kspath | !karma abrotman |
| 22:19.25 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 12 |
| 22:19.33 | kspath | !age abrotman |
| 22:19.34 | wols | karma wols |
| 22:19.38 | wols | !karma wols |
| 22:19.38 | dpkg | wols has karma of 1 |
| 22:19.45 | wols | see? I beat you. I win! |
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| 22:19.56 | Aim_Here | !karma chameleon |
| 22:19.56 | dpkg | chameleon has karma of 1 |
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| 22:20.37 | centrx | wols, these are the open-source drivers released with x.org |
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| 22:20.43 | abrotman | wols: centrx: which driver is broken . the closed ati one or the ati/radeon in xorg ? |
| 22:20.43 | simonrvn | ... |
| 22:20.53 | abrotman | simonrvn: someone steal your vowels? |
| 22:20.54 | kspath | !karma kspath |
| 22:20.54 | dpkg | kspath has neutral karma |
| 22:20.58 | kspath | omg |
| 22:21.02 | simonrvn | *groan* |
| 22:21.12 | Aim_Here | !karma Aim_Here |
| 22:21.12 | dpkg | aim_here has neutral karma |
| 22:21.21 | simonrvn | 'karma chameleon' |
| 22:21.24 | geoff_ | Hi, question: I've got a static ip set up in /etc/network/interfaces... but for some reason when my net connection got reset it switched to dhcp and I got a dynamic ip address instead. Reboot and it goes back to static. Any idea how to stop it from switching to dhcp? |
| 22:21.26 | stew | everybody please /msg the bot unless its relevant to everyone |
| 22:21.28 | centrx | abrotman, wols, according to some of the bug reports it occurs even with the vesa driver |
| 22:21.29 | King_Andy | dvm1981, i ran what i dkpg told me to, but when i go to configure my internet it says something about there being no card |
| 22:21.50 | simonrvn | abrotman: i decided to be short today |
| 22:21.58 | geoff_ | (besides removing dhclient) |
| 22:22.13 | fisne | ALERT! /dev/hdc5 does not exists. Dropping to a shell! |
| 22:22.19 | fisne | why did i get this error? |
| 22:22.30 | abrotman | stew: or at least of general debian interest :) |
| 22:22.35 | dvm1981_ | dvm1981: Is now an zombie :-/ |
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| 22:22.37 | beardy | geoff_: If you don't want to use it, why not remove it? |
| 22:22.45 | abrotman | geoff_: paste your interfaces file somewhere |
| 22:22.47 | abrotman | !paste |
| 22:22.47 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 22:23.24 | dvm1981_ | Someone want to kill dvm1981 i need to use dvm1981_, but no matters, i have not a problem with that |
| 22:23.35 | geoff_ | i don't want to remove it in case the computer is on another network and i need to use dhcp |
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| 22:23.58 | wols | dvm1981_: if you own the nick, you can "ghost" it with nickserv. no other way |
| 22:23.59 | geoff_ | then i have a catch22 where i can't install dhcp until i enable it |
| 22:24.07 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: I go to see the procedure that dpkg see to install it, i not know how to |
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| 22:24.12 | beardy | geoff_: Ok. Please do what abrotman said. |
| 22:24.18 | geoff_ | iface eth0 inet static |
| 22:24.35 | geoff_ | and then the rest as you would expect, address, network, netmask, gatewy |
| 22:24.48 | markk | Can someone explain why debian is 14 cds? |
| 22:24.48 | geoff_ | there is no mention of dhcp anywhere in my interfaces file |
| 22:24.54 | markk | what is on those 14 dc's? |
| 22:25.01 | geoff_ | and normally it works |
| 22:25.02 | thingfish | markk: stuff. |
| 22:25.07 | beardy | markk: It's because that's the amount of space all packages require. |
| 22:25.08 | tijn | software |
| 22:25.10 | centrx | markk, all of the 15000 or so debian packages |
| 22:25.15 | geoff_ | its just when my router got reset, it switched to dhcp for some reason, i've never seen debian do that before |
| 22:25.19 | centrx | markk, you only need the first CD |
| 22:25.22 | dvm1981_ | wols: thx, i look to the /help ;-) how to ghost :-), my irc prog have hang an now there are an zombie, yea, my first zombie :-) |
| 22:25.23 | abrotman | !tell markk about cd contents |
| 22:25.27 | tijn | and you can download them, or get them from the cd |
| 22:25.32 | centrx | markk, in fact, you don't even need the first CD, the install system can fit on 2-3 floppy disks |
| 22:25.34 | stew | markk: you don't need all 14 cds, if you are installing on a mahcine that has decent network access use a netinst /msg dpkg netinst |
| 22:25.37 | beardy | markk: Are you about to install Debian? |
| 22:25.44 | wols | dvm1981_: /msg nickserv help |
| 22:26.01 | stew | markk: if the machine doesn't have decent network access, you only need the cd's containing packages you want to install /msg dpkg which cd |
| 22:26.04 | markk | beardy, maybe |
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| 22:26.22 | beardy | markk: what stew says |
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| 22:26.28 | centrx | markk, and if the machine does have decent network access, then any packages you want/need to install can be downloaded on-demand |
| 22:26.37 | Daishi | thanks |
| 22:26.45 | markk | centrx, this reminds me of freebsd, then |
| 22:26.47 | Daishi | it works now after the dpkg-reconfigure |
| 22:26.48 | Daishi | weird |
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| 22:27.30 | centrx | markk, yes, it is similar in terms of obtaining the software and handling dependencies, but it is downloading binaries, not compiling source, by default at least |
| 22:27.46 | abrotman | Daishi: good |
| 22:27.49 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: I looking for how to troubleshoot |
| 22:27.57 | King_Andy | okay |
| 22:28.19 | dvm1981_ | Or someone experience with madwifi to troubleshoot King_Andy? |
| 22:28.25 | markk | centrx, freebsd packages are binaries |
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| 22:28.27 | fisne | ALERT! /dev/hdc5 does not exists. Dropping to a shell! << what is this error? |
| 22:28.33 | markk | freebsd ports are sources |
| 22:28.35 | centrx | markk, and all of the official Debian packages are held to the same standards, whereas if I recall only the core FBSD packages were held to the high standards and the additional software was provided by FBSD but a little less official and under less rigorous standards, IIRC |
| 22:28.41 | kronoz | hi, is there anyway to install nvidia 7676 drivers with apt? |
| 22:28.55 | centrx | markk, ok |
| 22:29.04 | Daishi | fisne: its looking for a partition or drive that isnt there |
| 22:29.09 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Sure you have good do what dpkg have say? |
| 22:29.19 | King_Andy | i did what it said to do |
| 22:29.23 | michaelw | is it possible to migrate a i386 debian install to amd64 without complete reinstall? |
| 22:29.30 | King_Andy | ill do it again if you have it send it to me once more |
| 22:29.31 | LSorensen | kronoz: well 7176 is in sarge, and 8178 is in unstable/experimental |
| 22:29.37 | LSorensen | kronoz: not sure 7676 is around anymore. |
| 22:29.38 | abrotman | michaelw: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 22:29.42 | centrx | michaelw, apparently there is no safe way, it is highly recommended that you reinstall |
| 22:29.44 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: How do you that 'madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)'?? |
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| 22:29.51 | LSorensen | kronoz: well actually the debian maintainer for nvidia drivers has all the versions on his web site |
| 22:29.57 | King_Andy | dvm1981, just like that |
| 22:30.07 | michaelw | centrx: any pointers to previous discussions? |
| 22:30.10 | King_Andy | dvm1981, in the shell |
| 22:30.16 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: The last part interest me :-) The uname, |
| 22:30.17 | kronoz | LSorensen: thanks |
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| 22:30.25 | kronoz | LSorensen: i'll check it out |
| 22:30.37 | centrx | michaelw, this is just based on my recollection of searching for information on the very same issue, probably through google |
| 22:30.43 | fisne | what should i do if its not there? |
| 22:30.47 | fisne | mount it? |
| 22:30.48 | LSorensen | kronoz: http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia |
| 22:30.53 | centrx | michaelw, http://www.google.com/search?q=amd64+debian+i386+migrate&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial |
| 22:31.27 | centrx | michaelw, actually i think just the first, second result |
| 22:31.29 | multi_io | is the raidtools2 package obsolete? |
| 22:31.32 | michaelw | centrx: heh, i left out the 'i386' part... |
| 22:31.36 | fisne | and it says this: /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 22:31.39 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: That is an command to know wich kernel you run, open an console an type 'uname -r' |
| 22:31.40 | fisne | wtf is this? |
| 22:31.47 | michaelw | thanks |
| 22:31.48 | fisne | sorry this is my first time using this |
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| 22:32.05 | King_Andy | now what |
| 22:32.06 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Clear enought my spahetti english? |
| 22:32.11 | King_Andy | dvm1981, yes |
| 22:32.12 | King_Andy | lol |
| 22:32.32 | King_Andy | dvm1981, i did 'uname -r' now what? |
| 22:32.37 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Have you understand the goal of the command 'uname -r' |
| 22:32.42 | King_Andy | it popped up with some numbers |
| 22:33.18 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Now again ask to dpkh howto install and replace what he say there about 'uname -r' with you're result |
| 22:33.27 | thingfish | your |
| 22:33.32 | King_Andy | okay |
| 22:33.37 | thingfish | you're is a contraction for you are. |
| 22:33.43 | Andy298 | how can i use today's date in a file name? |
| 22:33.51 | Ollie | I have just installed x-window-system but I dont want it to load into the gui automaticalyl at startup so I used the command mv /etc/rc2.d/S99xdm /etc/rc2.d/_S99xdm |
| 22:33.54 | King_Andy | dvm1981, how do i msg dpkg? |
| 22:34.04 | Ollie | but it says that the file /etc/rc2.d/s99xdm |
| 22:34.08 | Ollie | doesnt exist |
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| 22:34.14 | Ollie | any thoughts? |
| 22:34.24 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: 'source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)' the part '$(uname -r)' replace it with the result |
| 22:34.35 | King_Andy | aaaaah okay |
| 22:34.44 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Spahetti!!! |
| 22:34.49 | beardy | Andy298: When doing what, can you give an example of what you are trying to do? |
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| 22:34.51 | dvm1981_ | ;-) english :-( |
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| 22:34.58 | himmelstruten | is it possible to install linux from dos with loadlin? without having any ext2 partition ready? |
| 22:35.01 | Aim_Here | Andy298, echo boo > "`date`" with or without date options works for me |
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| 22:35.52 | centrx | Ollie, dpkg --purge xdm |
| 22:36.04 | Dr_Blackross | u know u guys are probly gonna hate me |
| 22:36.10 | Ollie | won't that uninstall it? |
| 22:36.12 | centrx | Ollie, that will uninstall the desktop manager package that loads at startup to login from within X |
| 22:36.17 | thingfish | some of us already do. |
| 22:36.26 | Dr_Blackross | (nvnidia issues) |
| 22:36.30 | Dr_Blackross | lol |
| 22:36.34 | centrx | Ollie, i t won't install the rest of X, which will work fine, but you may still want xdm for some reason |
| 22:36.45 | Ollie | centrx, e.g? |
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| 22:37.03 | Andy298 | Aim_Here: how about getting dd-mm-yyyy.sql |
| 22:37.05 | centrx | Ollie, possibly if you wanted other people to login over the network |
| 22:37.19 | goldfish654 | i'm trying to get quickcam drivers working with sarge - qc-usb-sources complains that it can't find kernel sources or headers - i've apt-get'd kernel-sources... any ideas? |
| 22:37.21 | beardy | Dr_Blackross: Say "you" instead of "u", and say "heh" when you are laughing, and try to spell things correctly. Just friendly advice. |
| 22:37.30 | Dr_Blackross | tell u what le me go reinstall debian again with the net install cd first.... |
| 22:37.39 | centrx | Ollie, but they can run X applications remotely, they just won't be able to login to X remotely, they would have to connect with ssh and then run their X app, for example |
| 22:37.41 | global` | hi.. i installed debian for the first time... it installed.. but "apt-get install fluxbox" didnt work... and i had no gcc compiler... |
| 22:37.44 | beardy | Andy298: $(date +%Y-%m-%d).sql |
| 22:37.47 | global` | what do i need to do.. |
| 22:37.47 | King_Andy | dvm1981, could you have dpkg pm me and tell me again |
| 22:37.47 | Aim_Here | Andy298, try man date, info date or date --help and trying to find the magic runes that shoehorn date output in your favourite format |
| 22:37.49 | Dr_Blackross | beardy i've been in irc since it was called telnet with mud's in 92 |
| 22:38.02 | Dr_Blackross | (i just tired of typing) |
| 22:38.03 | centrx | global`, what happens if you do: apt-get update |
| 22:38.06 | Aim_Here | Whatever beardy said looks right |
| 22:38.09 | Ollie | centrx, thanks for the help |
| 22:38.11 | dvm1981_ | !tell King_Andy about madwifi install |
| 22:38.11 | Dr_Blackross | i'll be back |
| 22:38.11 | beardy | Dr_Blackross: It doesn't show. |
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| 22:38.16 | King_Andy | thanks |
| 22:38.29 | dvm1981_ | :-) i like it |
| 22:38.32 | global` | i dunno i uninstalled because i couldnt compile anything or get away from the command prompt onto fluxbox... |
| 22:38.42 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: To help ;-) |
| 22:38.43 | global` | should apt-get update do it.. |
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| 22:39.11 | abrotman | global`: apt-setup .. pick an http source |
| 22:39.27 | Chance | stew fixed it |
| 22:39.33 | abrotman | stew fixes everything |
| 22:39.57 | thingfish | yeah well let him fix my fucking suckass life. |
| 22:39.59 | centrx | global`, what was the error message when you did apt-get install fluxbox |
| 22:40.05 | King_Andy | dvm1981, want me to pastebin my output to see if i did it right? |
| 22:40.09 | global` | "package not found" |
| 22:40.11 | thingfish | sorry, horrible fucking mood today. |
| 22:40.25 | thingfish | aww |
| 22:41.07 | centrx | global`, if the install went normally then an: apt-get update would update the list of available packages so that you can apt-get install fluxbox |
| 22:41.20 | global` | ok,is there a way to install debian onto my pc without having to delete windows... |
| 22:41.21 | abrotman | thingfish: did you eat beans again? |
| 22:41.28 | global` | everytime it formats over my windows... |
| 22:41.33 | centrx | global`, it may be that during the install process you skipped past the part to specify where to download packages from |
| 22:41.37 | thingfish | abrotman: no, just chicken and rice so far today. |
| 22:41.42 | abrotman | global`: yes .. don't let it auto partition your HDD |
| 22:41.44 | global` | oh maybe |
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| 22:41.49 | abrotman | thingfish: it thought you were vegetarian |
| 22:41.57 | goldfish654 | http://pastebin.com/577483 <-- output from qc-usb-source's quickcam.sh |
| 22:42.06 | thingfish | abrotman: I have been in the past, but certainly not now. I love meat. |
| 22:42.10 | abrotman | ah .. ok |
| 22:42.13 | centrx | global`, if you have multiple partitions, such as one for windows and one for debian, then it is no difficulty to install debian on that other partition without disturbing windows |
| 22:42.15 | abrotman | chicken and rice sounds good |
| 22:42.20 | abrotman | i'll think i'll have liver |
| 22:42.23 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: What i have before, or what you have try at first, must work, the second one also, so the command for ex: 'apt-cache search kernel-headers-$(uname -r)' work been good |
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| 22:42.28 | thingfish | ooh yum I love liver. |
| 22:42.35 | abrotman | as do i! |
| 22:42.39 | global` | ok i just reinstalled windows, so i should be able to make a nice sized paritition |
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| 22:43.02 | Ollie | Is it possible to run the intital x configuration again? |
| 22:43.08 | thingfish | thin-sliced liver, barely fried in a little butter, smothered with sliced soft onions. |
| 22:43.10 | beardy | !drxx Ollie |
| 22:43.11 | dpkg | Ollie: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:43.13 | centrx | Ollie, as root, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 22:44.00 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: I had not see you're message, need dvm1981_ to bell and red color :-/ |
| 22:44.06 | Ollie | is it xfree86 or xserver-xorg whats the difference? |
| 22:44.08 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Paste it ;-) |
| 22:44.10 | kspath | !lart IT recruiters |
| 22:44.13 | global` | ok when i install windows its bash, how do i change to zsh again? |
| 22:44.30 | centrx | Ollie, if you are running Debian 3.1 (sarge), the release, then you have xfree86 |
| 22:44.35 | beardy | Ollie: It's different X servers. Are you running Sarge? |
| 22:44.41 | abrotman | thingfish: no way .. in bacon grease! |
| 22:44.51 | centrx | Ollie, xorg is the new X that is currently in the pre-release/development branches |
| 22:44.53 | Ollie | yes sarge 3.1 |
| 22:44.53 | thingfish | ooh abrotman, yes, by all means. |
| 22:45.04 | Ollie | ahh ok so i will have xfree86 |
| 22:45.09 | abrotman | lalal .. |
| 22:45.13 | beardy | Ollie: Yep. |
| 22:45.19 | thingfish | this place about 15 minutes from here makes killer chicken livers. |
| 22:45.36 | global` | where do i put the apt-get http source |
| 22:45.39 | thingfish | how they keep them so soft and tender, I'll never know. |
| 22:45.58 | thingfish | global`: put it in your pocket and keep it as a lucky charm. |
| 22:46.03 | dvm1981_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.37 | thingfish | it's ghost <yournick> <yourpassword> |
| 22:46.40 | beardy | global`: /etc/apt/sources.list , /msg dpkg sources.list, /msg dpkg apt-setup |
| 22:47.07 | thingfish | global`: the file is /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 22:47.10 | global` | ok ill write this down |
| 22:47.36 | thingfish | gawd now I have a craving for chicken livers. |
| 22:47.39 | dvm1981_ | ghost dvm1981 calin |
| 22:47.43 | dvm1981_ | shit |
| 22:47.47 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 22:47.54 | thingfish | don't forget the / |
| 22:48.00 | King_Andy | dvm1981, i have to run to the store down the road...ill be back soon |
| 22:48.00 | thingfish | and the msg |
| 22:48.09 | goldfish654 | so, who's going to take over your nick first? |
| 22:48.09 | thingfish | nickserv |
| 22:48.20 | Andy298 | how can i reference a filename in a path by date? |
| 22:48.21 | thingfish | who want's that silly nick? |
| 22:48.27 | dvm1981_ | And type the password correct :-/ chance that i type many faults :-) |
| 22:48.28 | King_Andy | dvm1981, when i get back we can finnish up |
| 22:48.35 | Andy298 | i want /var/file-01-03-06 |
| 22:48.37 | goldfish654 | well, exactly |
| 22:48.53 | beardy | Andy298: Same way as I said earlier. |
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| 22:49.07 | thingfish | gosh, you know what I really want? kidneys. |
| 22:49.25 | beardy | Andy298: What are you doing in /var? |
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| 22:49.41 | debianito | hello I installed the sarge version of debian, but now for the wireless i?m needing to change some options in the kernel. I?m going to download http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.15.4.tar.bz2, can I do that with no probs ?¿ |
| 22:49.42 | thingfish | kidneys, cleaned of all the fat and sliced thin, sauteed quickly in a little oil... |
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| 22:50.05 | Andy298 | beardy: its actually backups (SQL) to a different drive, was just a sample |
| 22:50.14 | Ollie | Does x have a simply file browser like nautilus? |
| 22:50.23 | thingfish | debianito: there is a 2.6.15 available from backports.org for sarge that will plug into your system all peachy keen. |
| 22:50.34 | dvm1981_ | The ghost leave been there, of do i it bad? |
| 22:50.34 | beardy | Ollie: Yes, nautilus ? |
| 22:50.53 | Ollie | Is that installed by default as I can't seem to find it |
| 22:50.55 | rav | i tried to install and rpm package with rpm -Uvh and it says i don't have rpm |
| 22:51.07 | dvm1981_ | It's '/ghost dvm1981 <pass>' ?? |
| 22:51.18 | beardy | Ollie: No, not much is installed by default, as in the base system. You have to install what you want. |
| 22:51.24 | thingfish | I admire these people who, in spite of the fact that english is far from being their native language, still give it the effort. |
| 22:51.42 | debianito | thingfish all peachy keen means would be more better? (i dont know good english) |
| 22:51.49 | Ollie | right just using apt-get right? |
| 22:52.03 | thingfish | debianito: yes, it means like a state of all-things-being-excellent. |
| 22:52.15 | debianito | :P tx a lot! |
| 22:52.17 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, i have to run to the store down the road...ill be back soon |
| 22:52.19 | thingfish | ;) |
| 22:52.22 | thingfish | sure, sweetheart. |
| 22:52.26 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, when i get back we can finnish |
| 22:52.35 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Sure :-) |
| 22:52.50 | thingfish | King_Andy: pick me up a wendy's triple while you're out. |
| 22:52.58 | beardy | Ollie: Yes. Either apt-get or aptitude. Aptitude has the same syntax as apt-get, but if run interactively, (just by running 'aptitude' you get a curses interface, in which you can search the list of packages, and see package descriptions directly) |
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| 22:53.10 | goldfish654 | so, how do I install kernel sources so that this qc-usb-thing can see them? |
| 22:53.11 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, sorry for the delay...i didnt notice you put an _ after your name...so i was typing to jut the dvm1981 name :-p |
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| 22:53.24 | thingfish | a wendy's triple would just about soothe me right now. |
| 22:53.38 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, HAHA, wendy's isnt that good you know! its all about TACO BELL!! |
| 22:53.41 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: ;-) I want to kill that ghost, but fail in it |
| 22:53.49 | himmelstruten | doesn't debian come with loadlin anymore? |
| 22:54.10 | thingfish | oh come on, dvm1981: /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password> |
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| 22:54.36 | beardy | Andy298: So, do you mean you want to reference a file with todays date, in that case, as I said above, $(date +%Y%m%d).foo, or do you mean something else? |
| 22:54.44 | Andy298 | i want a file like this "file-01-03-06.sql" to be created with mysqldump and crontab... |
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| 22:55.18 | Andy298 | where the date changes accordingly |
| 22:55.32 | Ollie | beardy, thanks for that i didn't know about aptitude I always did apt-cache search blah to find programs |
| 22:56.26 | Aim_Here | file-`date +%d-%m-%y.sql` ? |
| 22:56.30 | beardy | Andy298: file$(date +%d%m%Y).sql The %d %m %Y is the day, the month, and the year (with two numbers) read 'man date' for more. |
| 22:56.33 | Aim_Here | It's better to have year first though |
| 22:56.34 | rav | does rpmbuild work on debian? |
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| 22:57.09 | Ungy | did someone say rpm? |
| 22:57.16 | Aim_Here | Ollie, if you're in X, get your hands on synaptic and knock yoruself out... |
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| 22:57.27 | kspath | alien! |
| 22:57.34 | Ungy | I am frightened by the concept of rpms |
| 22:57.36 | beardy | Aim_Here: Depends on where in the world you are, but I agree with you. |
| 22:57.45 | stew | rav: http://bugs.debian.org/rpm should tell you |
| 22:57.57 | thingfish | let the rpm users all suffer from explosive diarrhea. |
| 22:58.16 | Aim_Here | beardy, well if it's Year-Month-day format, then listing files in alphabetical order is also chronological, providing you pad the m and d fields with leading zeroes |
| 22:58.24 | Ollie | Used that in ubuntu I think |
| 22:58.28 | stew | rav: at least, if there are any known problems, that's where they would have been reported. chances are, rpmbuild on debian hasn't been heavily tested |
| 22:58.44 | rav | Ungy: here's the story. i used kpackage to get knights, the chess program. but the extras can't be found with kpackage, you have to download the rpm thing |
| 22:58.52 | thingfish | god, if you need to use rpmbuild, use a fricking rpm-based distro. |
| 22:59.22 | beardy | Andy298: "file-$(date +%d-%m-%Y).sql" that is exactly how you wanted it. |
| 22:59.27 | thingfish | I'm sure #fedora would love to have you. |
| 22:59.28 | rav | i have the rpm thing, can't do anything with it |
| 22:59.46 | Ungy | !alien |
| 22:59.46 | dpkg | hmm... alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 22:59.48 | beardy | Aim_Here: I said I agree, no need to convince me. |
| 22:59.55 | Ollie | Do you lot use debian just for sever use or are you using it on the desktop too? |
| 22:59.58 | kspath | day month year is Euro style |
| 23:00.05 | stew | Ollie: both |
| 23:00.09 | Aim_Here | Yeah, but for the benefit of the heathens like Andy who claim to want a lesser ordering ;) |
| 23:00.13 | beardy | Ollie: The "lot" uses it everywhere. |
| 23:00.15 | kronoz | Ollie: i'm using in on the desktop |
| 23:00.23 | Ollie | using gnome gui? |
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| 23:00.28 | Andy298 | when i put that in the crontab it doesn't work - however the command does work??? |
| 23:00.40 | unstable | Ollie: I use it for my laptop, works better then any other linux distribution in the world. |
| 23:00.43 | unstable | !start a distro war |
| 23:00.43 | dpkg | Kubuntu is the dogs bollocks! |
| 23:00.47 | beardy | Andy298: Use more quotes. |
| 23:00.59 | thingfish | that's insulting to dogs' bollocks. |
| 23:01.03 | Ungy | unstable yeah its shit |
| 23:01.17 | beardy | Andy298: Please give us the exact line you have in your crontab. |
| 23:01.22 | Ollie | Im suprised I would of thought a more desktop orientated distro e.g. ubuntu (I know based on debian) or fedora would of worked better |
| 23:01.26 | kronoz | ubunut scrambles the root password :| |
| 23:01.35 | kronoz | *ubuntu |
| 23:01.41 | thingfish | dogs' bollocks at least have some semblance of legitimacy of existance. |
| 23:01.45 | Ollie | sudo is annoying |
| 23:01.47 | beardy | Ollie: No. |
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| 23:01.56 | Ollie | you can change that thought kronoz |
| 23:02.06 | unstable | Ollie: People who use fedora are free employees for redhat, Fedora is a big beta test for RHEL, rhel is on an 18 month release cycle and Fedora is on a 6 month release cycle. |
| 23:02.08 | beardy | Ollie: No, they don't work better. |
| 23:02.10 | madclicker | anyone knows a better prog than Kmail for email storage/ |
| 23:02.11 | madclicker | ? |
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| 23:02.15 | Ungy | Ollie, I am currently on a Debian/unstable gnome desktop |
| 23:02.25 | kspath | madclicker: almost all others? |
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| 23:02.36 | Ungy | Ollie, I got rid of sudo and used su when I tried Ubuntu |
| 23:02.37 | mamamia | hello |
| 23:02.38 | kspath | madclicker: mutt |
| 23:02.39 | unstable | Redhat throws garbage into Fedora and tries to stabalize it, then once it's stable they sell you Fedora *cough* I mean RHEL *cough*, to their enterprise customers where they make all their money. |
| 23:02.49 | Andy298 | mysqldump -u root > /media/drive/backups/"Daily-`date +%d-%m-%y.sql`" --all-databases |
| 23:02.49 | thingfish | unstable: one of the few times I've seen fedora exposed for what it is, just like you say: a free beta test for RHEL. |
| 23:02.53 | Andy298 | still not working!! |
| 23:02.53 | madclicker | kspath, i wouldnt doubt that |
| 23:02.54 | Ollie | anyone have any thoughts on ubuntu on the desktop over straight debian? |
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| 23:03.06 | thingfish | Ollie: I have lots of thoughts on that subject. |
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| 23:03.20 | stew | Ollie: (k)ubuntu is more appropriate for people not familiar with linux |
| 23:03.22 | thingfish | Ollie: ubuntu is for weenies. |
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| 23:03.24 | mamamia | i sorry my question but someone knows how to remove portmap from debian whit no need to desinstall gnome ? to try to disable services tcp ? |
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| 23:03.39 | Ungy | Ollie, it isn't a bad distro but it is limited in comparison to the packages available for Debian |
| 23:03.56 | chance2105_ | Does the minimal install CD support PPPoE? |
| 23:03.58 | unstable | Ollie: Try both. |
| 23:04.08 | unstable | chance2105_: yes |
| 23:04.10 | thingfish | and I don't mean the good, tasty, worthy-of-existence BallPark Franks or Hebrew National. |
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| 23:04.21 | chance2105_ | Meaning: if I were to install from a minimal CD, would I be able to connect to the internet to download the required packages via PPPoE |
| 23:04.32 | Ungy | Ollie, I tried Ubuntu it is great for my wife I installed kubuntu for her and she can get around with limited computer skills |
| 23:04.36 | Ollie | yeah I currently run ubuntu for desktop and debian for my server (test learning linux server :) )but I had not considered using debian on the desktop |
| 23:05.03 | thingfish | Ollie: I use Debian Sarge as a desktop. It's fine. |
| 23:05.10 | stew | mamamia: if you plan to use gnome-volume-manager, i believe it depends on portmap being installed |
| 23:05.14 | kspath | Ollie: debian on desktop is fine |
| 23:05.19 | thingfish | Sarge makes as good a desktop as it does a server. |
| 23:05.22 | beardy | Andy298: mysqldump -u root --all-databases > /media/drive/backups/Daily-$(date+%d-%m-%y.sql) |
| 23:05.25 | Aim_Here | unstable, lets face it, RHEL is for pointy headed idiots who are only happy if they're throwing hundreds of dollars at someone for their software. I don't see why I should grudge RedHat their paycheques for milking them. RHEL is more or less Free Software in the speech sense |
| 23:05.32 | startxwhite | i am not rude. His Holiness is said to be very rude but then again he suffers from a variant of the Asperger's syndrome |
| 23:05.34 | thingfish | I mean, if you want stability and all that kind of thing. |
| 23:05.40 | Ollie | What is that past website that people use when they want to paste something into this chat room? |
| 23:05.45 | Ollie | past = paste |
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| 23:05.55 | thingfish | his holiness? pope benedict the whatever is a rude boy? |
| 23:05.56 | stew | Ollie: /msg dpkg paster |
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| 23:06.06 | beardy | Andy298: You had an option misplaced. Are you really sure you want the date in that order though? Year Month Day is nicer. |
| 23:06.26 | thingfish | !tell Ollie about paste. |
| 23:06.29 | azeem | thingfish: kardinals are addressed as "his holiness" as well maybe, not sure |
| 23:06.34 | beardy | Andy298: And it's capital Y |
| 23:06.39 | Ollie | thanks |
| 23:06.45 | Ungy | azeem what is a kardinal |
| 23:06.59 | mamamia | stew right but install tcp services isn it? and i don like that |
| 23:07.00 | thingfish | azeem: they are? I must confess I don't ever remember hearing what cardinals are addressed as. |
| 23:07.00 | Aim_Here | Yeah, Andy298, beware of the Date-endianness police! |
| 23:07.01 | unstable | Aim_Here: RHEL's RHN is pretty awesome I must admin. Redhat is good for enterprise customers. But Fedora is not good as a desktop. People who use Fedora are retarded free employees for redhat. |
| 23:07.01 | azeem | Ungy: nevermind, it's off-topic anyway |
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| 23:07.17 | startxwhite | not that fascist bastard in the vatican but |
| 23:07.17 | startxwhite | www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2004/05/292506.jpg |
| 23:07.23 | thingfish | and doesn't the title, His Holiness, presume an awful lot? i.e., holiness? |
| 23:07.26 | Ungy | azeem you mean like a Cardinal of the Catholic Church i thought they were refered to as reds |
| 23:07.40 | thingfish | I've met tons of bishops and priests, and believe me, few of them are holy. |
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| 23:07.45 | Fox_1_ | how can i change the bitchx's version??? (i mean when some one do version it see that what i want) |
| 23:07.46 | Fox_1_ | ?? |
| 23:07.59 | thingfish | most of them are mere lackeys of the church. |
| 23:08.00 | stew | mamamia: i'm not sure i understood that last part. you should keep in mind that the gnome and gnome-desktop-environment packages are just meta-packages that don't provide any functionality themselves, they are just there to pull in other packages |
| 23:08.05 | Aim_Here | Fair enough, though, I suppose if you had to use something RedHatish for work or sth, and couldn't afford to shell out for RHEL, then running Fedora might be a reasonably wise move.. |
| 23:08.11 | debianito | thingfish I went to backports.org and read what to add to apt configure files, to get working that...so now I have to do apt-get kernel2.6.15....and will get the entire source of the kernel(because I want to mantein my actual kernel..it works ;)), and after that I have to copy it to /usr/lib extract it, and make the configurations I want.... ?¿ |
| 23:08.14 | dionoea | hello. sorry if this has already been asked before but does anyone know of experimental/unstable debian compiz/xgl packages ? |
| 23:08.17 | stew | mamamia: so if it wants to uninstall the "gnome" package you aren't losing all of gnome |
| 23:08.18 | beardy | Andy298: mysqldump -u root --all-databases > /media/drive/backups/Daily-$(date+%Y-%m-%d.sql) use that instead, you'll be happier |
| 23:08.19 | thingfish | fedora is never a wise move, debianito. |
| 23:08.26 | thingfish | oh, not you, debianito |
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| 23:08.35 | coz | hell to all |
| 23:08.38 | coz | hello |
| 23:08.42 | coz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.43 | beardy | heh |
| 23:08.45 | mamamia | stew yes but if i desinstall this ... i get whith no desktop ... isn it? |
| 23:08.54 | tijn | hey coz |
| 23:08.57 | thingfish | coz: the first greeting was more appropriate to my mood. |
| 23:09.07 | coz | hello I have a question that is debian related but yet not |
| 23:09.11 | stew | mamamia: if you lose gnome-volume-manager you lose the auto-mounting stuff, not all of the desktop |
| 23:09.12 | jetscreamer | i know it's in marillat and not an official debian package, but does anybody know why after 6 hours of processing dvd::rip outputs a 0 byte file? |
| 23:09.13 | thingfish | I though lamictal was supposed to correct my mood thing. |
| 23:09.16 | Fox_1_ | how can i change the bitchx's version??? (i mean when some one do version it see that what i want) |
| 23:09.17 | coz | I have impi linux installed the commercial version of ubuntu |
| 23:09.21 | Aim_Here | We might have an answer but yet not |
| 23:09.25 | Fox_1_ | sorry for flood :))) |
| 23:09.26 | Fox_1_ | how can i change the bitchx's version??? (i mean when some one do version it see that what i want) |
| 23:09.30 | coz | I also have tow other machines one with breezy and one with dapper |
| 23:09.33 | kspath | coz: are you in the wrong place perhaps? |
| 23:09.43 | coz | the ubuntu machines go on line by auto detectin the network |
| 23:09.51 | coz | however, impi insists on ipv6 |
| 23:09.53 | Andy298 | i get....bash: date+%Y-%m-%d.sql: command not found |
| 23:09.54 | mamamia | stew i don know i don like tcp services around here lol |
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| 23:10.15 | coz | well not really I am looking for people who understand networking pertaining to a debian os |
| 23:10.15 | Aim_Here | A space between date and +, Andy298 |
| 23:10.19 | thingfish | coz: try, if you will, to imagine how little we here in #debian care about anything ubuntu. |
| 23:10.28 | Aim_Here | beardy typoed |
| 23:10.35 | Ollie | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1947 I get this when doing apt-get install nautilus and I am not sure whether to say yes or no to it. Any thoughts? |
| 23:10.43 | debianito | thingfish I went to backports.org and read what to add to apt configure files, to get working that...so now I have to do apt-get kernel2.6.15....and will get the entire source of the kernel(because I want to mantein my actual kernel..it works ;)), and after that I have to copy it to /usr/lib extract it, and make the configurations I want.... ?¿ |
| 23:10.58 | coz | thingfish well that is reall friendly of you but still does anyone have good experience with implinenting ipv4 over ipv6 |
| 23:11.05 | beardy | Aim_Here: Thanks. |
| 23:11.05 | thingfish | really, I'd guess the entire attitude towards ubuntu in this channel to be something approaching abject disdain. |
| 23:11.14 | kspath | !ubuntusmite coz |
| 23:11.24 | stew | debianito: if you install a linux-source package it will create a .tar.bz2 in /usr/src, which you untar. untarring it will create a /usr/src/linux-source-$version |
| 23:11.26 | coz | actually impi right now |
| 23:11.29 | fisne | can you write files o NTFS while on ubuntu? |
| 23:11.29 | coz | debian os |
| 23:11.29 | thingfish | coz: I can be friendly, as long as the subject doesn't involve derivative distros. |
| 23:11.31 | coz | impi |
| 23:11.33 | Fox_1_ | how can i change the bitchx's version??? (i mean when some one do version it see that what i want) |
| 23:11.38 | Aim_Here | Have you ever thought of trying #ubuntu, coz? |
| 23:11.47 | coz | ubuntu sucks |
| 23:11.52 | dionoea | anyone about xgl/compiz on sid/experimental ? |
| 23:11.53 | stew | Ollie: when in doubt, hit enter |
| 23:12.01 | thingfish | point! coz. |
| 23:12.02 | coz | I use xgl/compiz |
| 23:12.03 | kspath | Fox_1_: #bitchx ? |
| 23:12.12 | dionoea | coz: you use ubuntu |
| 23:12.19 | Ollie | stew hitting enter leads you onto a yes or no screen which is where I am stuck.... |
| 23:12.23 | coz | I use ubuntu and ubuntu commercial version |
| 23:12.26 | stew | Ollie: take the default |
| 23:12.36 | thingfish | coz: then why the hell aren't you in #ubuntu? |
| 23:12.41 | jetscreamer | i've never installed ubuntu, but i play one on tv |
| 23:12.44 | coz | they don't know anything |
| 23:12.51 | jetscreamer | heh aint that the truth |
| 23:12.52 | stew | coz: try a mailing list then |
| 23:12.53 | beardy | coz: It doesn't matter. |
| 23:13.05 | thingfish | coz: that's *real* unfortunate. |
| 23:13.05 | kspath | coz: Use their commercial support. |
| 23:13.10 | Fox_1_ | kspath: they are slipping |
| 23:13.20 | coz | surely one of you are fiendly enough to deal with a purely network question |
| 23:13.25 | jetscreamer | coz: just think, they all used to be in here before there was an ubuntu :O |
| 23:13.29 | thingfish | nope, not likely, not in here. |
| 23:13.31 | Aim_Here | No, we only deal with purely debian questions |
| 23:13.39 | kspath | Fox_1_: sleeping? There are bitchx FAQs available via a google search |
| 23:13.51 | coz | this # doesn't seem any better than ubuntu |
| 23:13.54 | coz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.57 | startxwhite | i've got sarge net install, damn small linux and sytem rescue. these distros *together* can fit on o 650mb blank cd. i wonder if it is possible to burn ONE cd containg the three and select which one to boot from when you switch on the pc with the cd in the tray? |
| 23:14.16 | Aim_Here | This room isn't any better than #ubuntu at answering Ubuntu questions |
| 23:14.24 | thingfish | coz: it's way better - providing you're running actual Debian. |
| 23:14.25 | Vince35 | my god...all this energy everywhere in those deb channels to say : ubuntu sucks , debian sucks, redhat sucks, *** suckx , that's so infantile , so waste of time ...somtimes i find it desperate |
| 23:14.25 | Fox_1_ | kspath: thanks |
| 23:14.37 | thingfish | coz: it'll suck BIGTIME if you're running anything else. |
| 23:14.46 | beardy | startxwhite: Choose a bootloader and fiddle away. |
| 23:14.58 | thingfish | because we HATE ubuntu and other Debian derivatives. |
| 23:15.13 | thingfish | coz: just fricking install Debian! |
| 23:15.16 | Aim_Here | I don't hate them. I love Knoppix. |
| 23:15.20 | Vince35 | thingfish, that's YUR talk |
| 23:15.25 | Aim_Here | Knoppix makes the sun shine and the birds sing. |
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| 23:15.29 | Vince35 | it's infantile |
| 23:15.32 | thingfish | well Aim_Here, you're not a #debian regular, so who cares. |
| 23:15.44 | thingfish | gag me |
| 23:15.44 | kspath | Vince35: Yes, it is infantile to see people not comprehending channel naming and policies. The policies are not there to hurt you. They are there to keep things sane. |
| 23:15.45 | Aim_Here | Knoppix makes rotten meat taste good and makes little baby Jesus happy |
| 23:15.56 | startxwhite | beardy:how can i do that? |
| 23:15.57 | stew | can we just drop the discussion of off-topic distros entirely please, it never leads anywhere productuve |
| 23:15.58 | thingfish | Aim_Here: you are an abomination. |
| 23:16.05 | Aim_Here | hehe |
| 23:16.19 | Vince35 | kspath, i was not exactly talking about that |
| 23:16.20 | Andy298 | Aim_Here: with the space i get a file called "Daily-" |
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| 23:16.29 | thingfish | stew: can't I throw more hatred in knoppix's and ubuntu's direction, please? |
| 23:16.34 | foo | What's the best thing to do when installing the newest version of icecast on debian sarge? |
| 23:16.38 | stew | thingfish: do it in ##linux or #knopix |
| 23:16.45 | Aim_Here | You probably need some quotes in there |
| 23:16.53 | thingfish | stew: sorry, my man, I'm being a bad boy. |
| 23:16.55 | kspath | Vince35: Will it help if I say that there are a lot of things that suck? |
| 23:17.29 | Vince35 | there's everywhere those fascism attitudes , it's so sad , we make the world guys , that's our responsibilities |
| 23:17.36 | thingfish | maybe stew should become an op so his comments have actual weight. |
| 23:17.57 | beardy | startxwhite: SystemRescueCD has done like you want to do, see if they have some docs on how they does it. Basically it should just be to create an isofs, put what you want in it, make it bootable (El Torito, and so on perhaps) then configure the bootloader to display your things that are on the disc, and choose which one to boot. |
| 23:17.59 | thingfish | yay for fascism! It works for George Bush! |
| 23:18.07 | Aim_Here | mysqldump -u root --all-databases > "/media/drive/backups/Daily-$(date +%Y-%m-%d.sql)" is my guess as to something that would work |
| 23:18.07 | beardy | s/does/do/ |
| 23:18.09 | Vince35 | kspath, why don't we start by changing OUR world |
| 23:18.25 | kspath | Vince35: Everywhere and everything is gray. Everything is relative. Can we not just get along and smoke some pot? |
| 23:18.28 | thingfish | gawd I hate hopeful, optimistic people. |
| 23:18.47 | thingfish | who said smoke some pot? that sure sounds good to me, wish I had some. |
| 23:19.06 | Vince35 | kspath, the funny things here is that yu go in my way (o: |
| 23:19.12 | kspath | Vince35: You can help as many of us are. We are here looking to help people in #debian with #debian. |
| 23:19.18 | thingfish | 'cause this vodka sure ain't working/. |
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| 23:20.01 | Vince35 | kspath, ok , does it give us the right to troll all the time , xxx sucks , etc.... ??? |
| 23:20.10 | beardy | Andy298: Why not try to start thinking and trying things for yourself? |
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| 23:20.41 | thingfish | Vince35: it's not trolling to defend Debian against all its crappy derivatives. |
| 23:20.48 | thingfish | especially not in here. |
| 23:21.03 | Vince35 | i'm french , there are so stupid ppl ops in debian-fr , they have power and they use it so badly |
| 23:21.07 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:21.27 | thingfish | well the french by no means have a monopoly on idiocy, Vince35. |
| 23:21.28 | Muta | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.42 | kspath | Vince35: The thing here is that we come here to support and help debian and share information about debian. This is not a place for people that have their own channels. There are other things to use like google howtos guides wikis mail-lists newsgroups .... |
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| 23:21.54 | thingfish | maybe someday jesus will forgive me for the way I've been today. |
| 23:22.06 | Vince35 | thingfish, you don't get the sense of what i say , we can't communicate |
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| 23:22.20 | kspath | !tell thingfish about karma thingfish |
| 23:22.24 | mentor | hmmm |
| 23:22.34 | thingfish | Vince35: I don't much want to communicate with you, dear boy. |
| 23:22.44 | Vince35 | (o: |
| 23:22.46 | thingfish | I have killer karma, I'll have you know. |
| 23:22.46 | debianito | thingfish I just added backports.org to my source list of apt, now how to just download the source of the kernel2.6.15?? apt-get install ¿¿***********?? |
| 23:23.03 | thingfish | debianito: you will need an additional deb-src line. |
| 23:23.18 | debianito | ok |
| 23:23.20 | stew | debianito: you don't need a deb-src line. just apt-get install linux-source-2.6.15 |
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| 23:23.25 | thingfish | if there's one for backports...I'm a newbie at backports, so I can't tell you for sure. |
| 23:23.40 | thingfish | stew: god bless you. |
| 23:23.43 | kspath | thingfish: what about apt.conf or whatever to prevent all backports from updating all packages? |
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| 23:23.51 | debianito | tx both of u!! |
| 23:24.01 | wols | debianito: apt-get update;apt-get source <package> |
| 23:24.09 | thingfish | I don't know. I disavow all knowledge of anything except imbibable spirits. |
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| 23:24.17 | stew | wols: no, not for kernel source |
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| 23:24.24 | wols | oops |
| 23:24.27 | Ollie | Is there a file browser which doesn't need to be run within x but that can be run from the console in the same way ee or aptitude are run? |
| 23:24.37 | dadexter | mc |
| 23:24.44 | beardy | Ollie: mc |
| 23:24.44 | thingfish | see, our brother stew keeps us in line and correct and all that. |
| 23:24.47 | thingfish | what a swell guy. |
| 23:25.17 | stew | debianito: kspath has a good point, you should read the http://backports.org/instructions.html about apt-prferences |
| 23:25.18 | thingfish | I hereby nominate stew for Abbot. |
| 23:25.23 | Ollie | beardy, what does that stand for? |
| 23:25.34 | stew | Ollie: apt-cache show mc |
| 23:25.47 | Aegir | midnight commander - a clone of norton commander |
| 23:26.10 | Ollie | ahh nice exactly what I was looking for |
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| 23:26.18 | beardy | Ollie: Midnight Commander. If you ran DOS, you may remember Norton Commander. If you didn't, it's a good filemanager if you want a "graphical" way of doing filemanaging in a console/virtual terminal. |
| 23:26.50 | Ollie | yup thats perfect for me as I find doing file management in console quite slow |
| 23:26.51 | mamamia | stew i sorry my question is there some linux firewall tht control de output software to the network ? ... |
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| 23:27.09 | kspath | ls combined with du and file can do so much |
| 23:27.13 | stew | mamamia: yes, there is netfilter aka iptables built into the linux kernel, google for the iptables hotwo |
| 23:27.36 | mamamia | stew ok very thanks i will try |
| 23:27.37 | foo | What package is ld in ? |
| 23:27.38 | foo | hmm |
| 23:27.40 | ovis | Hello is there a way to upgrade the zlib in a sarge distro from 1.2.2 to 1.2.3 ?? I cant find a .deb package |
| 23:27.41 | Ollie | I also find it quite confusing |
| 23:27.46 | Ollie | maybe I will get better at it |
| 23:27.48 | streuner | foo: libc6 |
| 23:27.56 | Ollie | but my mind is stuck in a gui way of doing filemanagement |
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| 23:28.02 | beardy | Ollie: Keep practising/doing it, and it will be faster than anything else. But mc is nice though. |
| 23:28.27 | Aegir | you will love mc ) |
| 23:28.33 | ovis | Any one know a .deb package for zlib-1.2.3 ? |
| 23:28.42 | stew | ovis: you would have to backport it, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:28.44 | azeem | ovis: zlib1g |
| 23:28.48 | streuner | foo: argh, binutils |
| 23:28.48 | mamamia | stew my question about the portmap was interesting because in windows i can put it whithout one single service tcp lol and never think linux need this kind of stuff lol |
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| 23:28.59 | Ollie | beardy, I am already getting a bit quicker |
| 23:28.59 | foo | streuner: libc6-dev had it |
| 23:29.05 | mamamia | to have one desktop lol |
| 23:29.08 | thingfish | !tell kspath about reverse karma |
| 23:29.08 | beardy | Ollie: Great :) |
| 23:29.18 | streuner | knusper:/dos# dpkg -S /usr/bin/ld |
| 23:29.18 | streuner | binutils: /usr/bin/ld |
| 23:29.30 | Ollie | it is just often not knowing the commands and having to look them up or forgetting them that is slowing me up |
| 23:29.36 | beardy | Ollie: TAB completion is a good thing too. |
| 23:29.37 | mamamia | newbie question only thanks sorry for the time :\ |
| 23:29.39 | kspath | foo: bonus is you get strings with that |
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| 23:29.43 | ovis | stew ooops to muts jargon <backport> ? |
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| 23:29.51 | Ollie | ahh didnt know about that |
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| 23:30.07 | debianito | stew ok it worked apt-get install linux-source-2.6.15...one more thing this is the entire kernel write??(because I?m needing to add a new one, but not to modify the actual)...and one more thing... it?s better to install this from backports.org and not this one: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.15.4.tar.bz2 isn?t it? |
| 23:30.11 | foo | kspath: ah, I see. Hmm, thanks |
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| 23:30.23 | foo | I need xslt-config for icecast. Where can I find that. |
| 23:30.28 | stew | !tell ovis about backports |
| 23:30.34 | thingfish | debianito: the ones from kernel.org don't have the Debian adjustments made. |
| 23:30.34 | stew | !tell ovis about simple sid backport |
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| 23:30.56 | thingfish | debianito: you will likely run into problems using kernel.org kernels. |
| 23:30.57 | streuner | foo: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:31.03 | foo | streuner: thanks |
| 23:31.03 | ovis | aahh |
| 23:31.03 | stew | debianito: why do you need to add to the kernel? |
| 23:31.11 | Ollie | I am running throught his aboutdebian.com website which I think is really well put together! |
| 23:31.19 | stew | debianito: you need a 3rd party module? if so, which? |
| 23:31.41 | beardy | Ollie: "/msg dpkg reference" it's nice to have available, I wish I knew about it when I started. |
| 23:31.42 | debianito | yes exactly,....I need wireless |
| 23:31.43 | loggygreg | foo: libxslt1-dev |
| 23:31.45 | debianito | on laptop |
| 23:31.55 | stew | debianito: which chipset does your card have? |
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| 23:32.08 | stew | debianito: and what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 23:32.25 | Ollie | thanks that looks brilliant |
| 23:33.00 | debianito | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 23:33.08 | debianito | and one second for the chipset.. |
| 23:33.36 | stew | Ollie: you can also "apt-get install debian-reference", btw |
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| 23:34.13 | Ollie | stew, whats the advantage of doing that? |
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| 23:34.19 | debianito | ok and the wireless is : ntegra Intel® PRO/Wireless 2200BG network connection 802.11b/g dual band Wi-Fi CERTIFIED? |
| 23:34.23 | aj_ville | hello |
| 23:34.23 | beardy | Oh, I thought the factoid mentioned that, but apparently not. |
| 23:34.37 | stew | Ollie: i dunno, you can read it on the bus, or something |
| 23:34.40 | beardy | Ollie: It's available when your network goes down. Or on a box with no network. |
| 23:34.44 | stew | debianito: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 23:34.48 | Ollie | ahah |
| 23:34.57 | aj_ville | someone help me to install debian with a ich7 chipset? |
| 23:34.58 | Ollie | probably when I will need it! |
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| 23:35.32 | debianito | ok stew thanks but I?m needing to compile the kernel and all this as I?m doing? |
| 23:35.47 | stew | debianito: no, you don't |
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| 23:35.55 | debianito | no? my god |
| 23:35.57 | wols | aj_ville: installer with a newer kernel needed |
| 23:36.09 | aj_ville | thanks wols |
| 23:36.19 | debianito | I have a call will come in 15 mins if u are here stew then will talk to u thanksssssssssss |
| 23:36.35 | aj_ville | but I'm new |
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| 23:36.44 | wols | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 23:36.44 | dpkg | [sarge 2.6.15] http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm |
| 23:37.01 | aj_ville | how can I use a new kernel in my boot dvd? |
| 23:37.16 | wols | aj_ville: not really possible. you need a different installer |
| 23:37.28 | stew | aj_ville: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 23:37.31 | foo | hmm. Bah. What package is make in? I tried cmake, no go. hmm |
| 23:37.40 | beardy | !reference |
| 23:37.40 | dpkg | i heard reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 23:37.41 | foo | apt-file update is returning a 404. blah. |
| 23:37.46 | aj_ville | umm, ok wols again |
| 23:37.55 | stew | foo: suprisingly, is in the "make" package |
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| 23:37.57 | wols | aj_ville: or do what stew just said |
| 23:38.12 | wols | foo: pdo.debian.net |
| 23:38.13 | foo | stew: heh. |
| 23:38.15 | stew | !b-e foo |
| 23:38.16 | dpkg | foo: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 23:38.19 | aj_ville | thanks dpkg for the url! |
| 23:38.19 | dpkg | bitte, aj_ville |
| 23:38.22 | foo | ah, thanks |
| 23:38.26 | Sonny | hello, do you know why am I having a delay while I watch some flash file with firefox.... theres a phase angle of sound and video |
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| 23:40.56 | Ollie | Anyone using a wifi pci card in their systems? |
| 23:40.58 | Ollie | I am planning on getting one but I am unsure about wifi chipset/card support in debian |
| 23:40.59 | curt | !anyone |
| 23:40.59 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:41.45 | curt | !tell Ollie -about hardware |
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| 23:42.15 | h3rn4n | hola a todos los usuarios de linux |
| 23:42.16 | Ollie | thanks curt |
| 23:42.55 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:42.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:42.59 | beardy | !ar |
| 23:42.59 | dpkg | [ar] argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina |
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| 23:43.01 | unstable | too late abrotman |
| 23:43.06 | beardy | bah |
| 23:43.14 | abrotman | too late what? |
| 23:43.21 | abrotman | oh .. he's gone :) |
| 23:43.27 | Ollie | Which is better wu-ftpd or proftpd? |
| 23:43.37 | gravity | Ollie: The latter from all accounts as of a few years ago |
| 23:43.45 | abrotman | proftpd or vsftpd |
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| 23:43.58 | gravity | wu- was apparently had repeated gaping security holes |
| 23:44.02 | gravity | s/was // |
| 23:44.10 | abrotman | it's the sendmail of ftpd :) |
| 23:44.16 | gravity | Yeah :-) |
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| 23:44.40 | Ollie | sorry which is the sendmail or ftpd? |
| 23:44.48 | abrotman | sendmail OF ftpd |
| 23:44.59 | fisne | ok, my root folder is set to /media/hdc5, which is supposed to be /dev/hdc5, and i think this is the reason why it wont boot |
| 23:45.00 | abrotman | Ollie: wu-ftpd is .. use proftpd or vsftpd |
| 23:45.01 | fisne | what should i do? |
| 23:45.04 | Ollie | yeah or = of |
| 23:45.09 | fisne | should i rename it? |
| 23:45.29 | Ollie | I think I will go for proftpd |
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| 23:48.17 | [6502] | hello... is there any place where i can find a precompiled pyopengl for python 2.4 ? i'm using a debian sarge with python 2.4 backport |
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| 23:48.58 | [6502] | i tried compiling it myself from sources... but it's a nightmare :-( |
| 23:49.19 | oiahsdf | the latest firefox seems to crash when loading a java applet. is there a known fix? |
| 23:49.54 | oiahsdf | i've got jre 1.5.0_06 |
| 23:49.59 | Ollie | Thanks for all the help tonight everyone I am off to bed night |
| 23:50.07 | curt | dondelelcaro, pdpc cloak me please |
| 23:51.04 | jetscreamer | !find pyopengl |
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| 23:51.11 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, I am back now |
| 23:51.21 | [6502] | jet ? |
| 23:51.27 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: I see :-) |
| 23:51.29 | King_Andy | lol |
| 23:51.58 | abrotman | curt: i'm not sure dondelelcaro is ircop .. might be better to ask #freenode |
| 23:52.07 | jetscreamer | [6502]: seeing if the bot knows |
| 23:52.12 | curt | abrotman, ok |
| 23:52.18 | jetscreamer | abrotman: they changed it to ##bookmark |
| 23:52.27 | abrotman | jetscreamer: oh yeah .. wahtever .. bastards keep moving it |
| 23:52.30 | [6502] | jetscreamer: oh, thanks |
| 23:52.49 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, im not sure where we left off... |
| 23:52.51 | stew | [6502]: you could file a wishlist bug against the pyopengl source pacakge requesting a 2.4 version to be uploaded |
| 23:52.53 | oiahsdf | is anyone else using the latest firefox? does it crash on java applets? |
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| 23:52.56 | Daveman | hey abrotman, how's it going? |
| 23:53.02 | abrotman | ok .. how bout you> |
| 23:53.07 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: On you're madwifi install |
| 23:53.12 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'pyopengl' returned no results. |
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| 23:53.32 | stew | oiahsdf: i am usuing firefox in sarge / testing / and unstable all successfully with java applets |
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| 23:53.39 | asdadad | someone can help me to install my modem? |
| 23:53.43 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, yes, thats right. i have a shell open...want me to pastebin what i have sofar? |
| 23:53.45 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 23:53.51 | jetscreamer | !info python-opengl |
| 23:53.53 | gravity | python-opengl on my sid system |
| 23:54.02 | [6502] | the official name of the moduel is python-opengl |
| 23:54.08 | jetscreamer | what he (the slow guy) said |
| 23:54.08 | mamamia | oiahsdf i listen this to some versions ... of firefox try to install the new firefox version and check if you do install there some bad spyware ... |
| 23:54.11 | eeyore- | did the latest firefox client somehow drop the "native gui" look functionality? my widgets no longer show up as native themed gtk widgets |
| 23:54.22 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Yes paste it |
| 23:54.32 | dvm1981_ | !tell King_Andy about pastebin |
| 23:54.36 | dvm1981_ | !tell King_Andy about paster |
| 23:55.17 | Daveman | abrotman, good :) |
| 23:55.21 | Daveman | just doing some calcs |
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| 23:55.38 | stew | [6502]: you could backport the ubuntu source package into your enviroinment, /msg dpkg simple sid backports |
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| 23:56.08 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Set it in you're bookmarks or so :-/ |
| 23:56.11 | abrotman | Daveman: some what? |
| 23:56.46 | kspath | abrotman: while I do like postfix and exim that does not mean that sendmail is a gaping security whole. No more than PHP is a gaping security whole causing massive problems several different times recently after years of knowing security is an issue and while sendmail had its problems at the EARLY dawn of people waking up to security as an issue. |
| 23:57.30 | abrotman | kspath: historically speaking :) |
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| 23:57.52 | abrotman | kspath: sendmail8 bind8 wu-ftpd .. the unholy triumvirate of gaping security holes :) |
| 23:58.05 | kspath | abrotman: I am ancient enough to talk about it historically. |
| 23:58.13 | asdadad | someone can help me to install my modem? |
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| 23:58.16 | abrotman | kspath: the newer sendmails are fine |
| 23:58.23 | billh | I just tried to upgrade from sarge to testing and the udev/hotplug packages are blowing up the boot procedure. |
| 23:58.33 | billh | What's the word on that stuff ? |
| 23:58.35 | abrotman | kspath: but god damn .. sendmail8 was a pile of poo crapped by an elephant with the shits |
| 23:58.40 | kspath | abrotman: until the next security problem with any package/tool |
| 23:58.42 | stew | billh: what kernel are you trying to run? |
| 23:58.47 | billh | 22.6 |
| 23:58.48 | billh | 2.6 |
| 23:58.51 | abrotman | kspath: yeah .. but sendmail was like .. every third day :) |
| 23:58.59 | billh | 2.6-686-smp |
| 23:59.04 | stew | billh: that's not specific enough |
| 23:59.17 | billh | 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 23:59.28 | oiahsdf | stew: are you using firefox 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.1-3 |
| 23:59.30 | billh | 2.6.15-1-686-smp |
| 23:59.38 | billh | that better ? |
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| 23:59.57 | billh | It should be new enough but udev seems to be missing the / entry on boot up which is odd |
