| 00:00.00 | abrotman | kspath: you have to admit .. as far as internet services go .. sendmail8,bind8 and wu-ftpd were pretty darn bad |
| 00:00.00 | stew | oiahsdf: -2 |
| 00:00.09 | billh | like for /dev/hda1 |
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| 00:00.18 | oiahsdf | stew: and the sun jre 1.5.0 ? |
| 00:00.20 | stew | billh: which tool did you use to build the initrd? initramfs-tools? |
| 00:00.22 | stew | oiahsdf: yes |
| 00:00.25 | billh | I've never had a mass dist-upgrade fail like this before |
| 00:00.32 | kspath | abrotman: bind 4 and bind 8 and sendmail all started at the dawn it is easy to pick fun of them looking back |
| 00:00.36 | oiahsdf | weird. maybe it's one of my libraries |
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| 00:00.37 | King_Andy | http://pastebin.ca/43806 |
| 00:00.43 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, http://pastebin.ca/43806 |
| 00:00.44 | billh | stew stock tools, prepackaged kernel |
| 00:00.54 | billh | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 00:00.58 | billh | and stuff |
| 00:01.10 | Daveman | abrotman, calculations :P |
| 00:01.11 | stew | billh: yeah, did you use yaird or initramfs-tools? do you have yaird installed? |
| 00:01.17 | billh | a prepackaged kernel shouldn't be blowing up like this |
| 00:01.27 | billh | no, what's yaird ? |
| 00:01.36 | abrotman | Daveman: like calculus ? |
| 00:01.40 | abrotman | !yaird |
| 00:01.42 | abrotman | bah |
| 00:01.43 | stew | billh: there are known issues right now, nobody knows how to fix it yet |
| 00:01.44 | billh | I'm using grub and what ever default behavior it's using. |
| 00:01.50 | billh | oh shit |
| 00:01.53 | kspath | abrotman: new versions does not promise they are secure. It only means they have had less exposure. |
| 00:02.07 | stew | billh: yaird and initramfs-tools are the two tools available for creating the initrd for 2.6.15 |
| 00:02.18 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Looks good, it's done |
| 00:02.21 | billh | I'm not creating any images, just using the prepackaged kernels |
| 00:02.25 | King_Andy | Hmmm... |
| 00:02.27 | stew | billh: they each have their own issues, if you used initramfs tools i suggest that you try building a new one with yaird |
| 00:02.40 | stew | billh: when you install the prepackaged kernel it creates the initrd in postinst |
| 00:02.44 | abrotman | kspath: i think you're missing the point :) |
| 00:02.55 | kspath | abrotman: sometimes fixes were not. other times a fix caused another problem. |
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| 00:03.02 | billh | ok, so remake that post-processing behavior stuff with yaird ? |
| 00:03.05 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, then i open KWIFI Manager? in KDE? |
| 00:03.07 | abrotman | kspath: i meant that wu-ftpd and sendmail and bind were at one time the most ungodly insecure apps running on open ports .. |
| 00:03.26 | kspath | abrotman: not really |
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| 00:03.34 | stew | billh: do you have a reason to have udev installed? do you use it ? do you use gnome-volume manager? |
| 00:03.37 | abrotman | kspath: really .. what was worse? |
| 00:03.45 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Euhm, i not use KDE, i look for an good howto, i remember that one of ndiswrapper. |
| 00:03.46 | kspath | abrotman: they were some of the most common and visible and had the greatest impact |
| 00:03.51 | abrotman | kspath: for that time period .. i can't think of anything |
| 00:03.54 | King_Andy | ah yes |
| 00:04.01 | billh | stew no it's a dependency in kde or gnome |
| 00:04.22 | King_Andy | !tell King_Andy about ndiswrapper |
| 00:04.25 | billh | plus newer kernels want udev so I can't install a 2.6 package without a udev upgrade |
| 00:04.28 | kspath | abrotman: There is no point in dragging out a list. We are both better off learning and helping. |
| 00:04.38 | billh | newer kernel packages that is |
| 00:04.41 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation#Configure_interface: |
| 00:04.47 | stew | billh: newer kernels don't require udev |
| 00:04.53 | billh | It's kind of a screwed up situation right now |
| 00:05.02 | abrotman | kspath: i'm was just commenting that wu-ftpd was the sendmail of ftpd .. has had a bad history of security issues |
| 00:05.18 | billh | stew it's a requirement when I install the 2.6 kernel packages |
| 00:05.20 | stew | billh: i recommend you use mkinitrd.yaird to create a new /boot/initrd-2.6.15-1-686-smp |
| 00:05.22 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Another trick try : '/msg dpkg <something>' |
| 00:05.24 | stew | billh: no, its not |
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| 00:05.45 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, okay |
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| 00:06.09 | stew | billh: the newer kenrel images require initramfs-tools | yaird. initramfs-tools requres udev, if you have yaird, you don't need either initramfs-tools or udev |
| 00:06.25 | stew | billh: so you can install yaird, get rid of initramfs-tools, and reinstall the kernel package |
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| 00:06.48 | kspath | abrotman: relative to newcomers perhaps and I like the alternatives you cited but there is no point in making fun of sendmail without version numbers and dates. You will give ignorant people the idea that current sendmail is not secure which is mostly false. I grant that nothing is truly secure. |
| 00:06.54 | billh | stew aptitude is kind of mucking things ups. |
| 00:07.04 | stew | billh: how so? |
| 00:07.24 | billh | I've manually installed a kernel image and removed the udev package as well using apt-get |
| 00:07.53 | billh | aptitude did something wierd with the dependencies |
| 00:08.03 | abrotman | kspath: no .. sendmail9/X is fine .. sendmail8 is fine |
| 00:08.03 | abrotman | err sendmail8 is crap |
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| 00:08.16 | kspath | abrotman: I mean sure it is fine to point out that postfix and exim are good alternatives to sendmail but there is no point in digging up OLD info about sendmail. |
| 00:08.16 | stew | billh: like what? in general aptitude is much better for resolving dependencies |
| 00:08.38 | billh | like when I removed udev, it wanted to also remove the 2.6 package as well |
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| 00:08.48 | abrotman | kspath: but i was speaking about the historical aspects of wu-ftpd .. and of sendmail |
| 00:09.03 | stew | billh: see my explaination of kernel packages requiring yaird or initramfs-tools above |
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| 00:09.33 | stew | billh: if you try to remove udev it will try to remove initramfs-tools, if you don't tell it to also install yaird at the same time, it has no choice but to remove the kernel package |
| 00:09.47 | kspath | abrotman: why not just tell them that vsftp and those 1 or 2 others are the best and more secure and were designed from the ground up to be more secure than others. |
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| 00:10.13 | abrotman | kspath: i don't think anyone writes insecure software on purpose :) |
| 00:10.20 | danis1911 | hey how do i get the sound on google videos working in ubuntu? |
| 00:10.36 | streuner | danis1911: #ubuntu |
| 00:10.49 | billh | stew oh ok |
| 00:10.50 | billh | hmmm |
| 00:11.03 | silensius | 1- 0B W95 FAT32 2- 0C W95 FAT32 (LBA) what's the difference beetwen this two choice for cfdisk a usb 40 giga |
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| 00:11.20 | htedrom | hey guys does anyone know anything about bittorrent... |
| 00:11.24 | silensius | or the best choice |
| 00:11.32 | IVS | htedrom, use google ;) |
| 00:11.44 | billh | stew gnome has udev as a dependency |
| 00:11.45 | stew | htedrom: if you have a real question, ask it |
| 00:11.45 | dvm1981_ | !tell silensius about lba |
| 00:11.54 | stew | billh: gnome-volume-manager does via hal |
| 00:12.03 | billh | I can't install it unless I want hotplug removed and that's on the only configuration that really works here. |
| 00:12.21 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, ... i still get the error msg "Error executing iwconfig. WLAN configurations can only be altered if the wireless tools are properly installed." when i open up the KWifi Manager |
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| 00:12.31 | stew | billh: yes, udev and hotplug conflict. why do you think you need hotplug? |
| 00:12.36 | silensius | i will cfdisk a 40 giga usb storage disk in fat for many usage but i can't choice between this two selection |
| 00:12.44 | billh | stew to revert to a usaable configuration |
| 00:12.49 | jeef | what's the command for gnupg to grab a key when apt-get fails and tells you the id of the key? |
| 00:12.57 | dvm1981_ | Someone could update the info of dpkg concern 'lba', dead link :-( |
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| 00:13.01 | billh | the keyboard blows out with udev and the testing 2.4 kernel |
| 00:13.04 | stew | billh: until you rebuild your initrd you won't be able to boot that kernel |
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| 00:13.15 | htedrom | stew, sorry was afk for a sec |
| 00:13.17 | htedrom | i was downloading a debian dvd |
| 00:13.18 | stew | billh: the testing udev will be completely non-functional with a 2.4 kernel |
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| 00:13.19 | htedrom | and my drive filled up |
| 00:13.23 | billh | stew the primary problem I'm running into right now is the keyboard not working |
| 00:13.26 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Are these tools installed? |
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| 00:13.38 | King_Andy | i did what dpkg told me to... |
| 00:13.40 | htedrom | bittorrent gave me the "no space left on disK' error |
| 00:13.40 | billh | stew yes, I know |
| 00:13.47 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, i did what dpkg told me to... |
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| 00:13.54 | stew | time for me to make some dinner |
| 00:13.57 | streuner | dvm1981: /msg dpkg no, foo is <reply> blablah |
| 00:13.58 | htedrom | but i freed up some room |
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| 00:14.02 | htedrom | and now it won't resume downloading |
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| 00:14.56 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: In an console 'dpkg --status wireless-tools' |
| 00:15.15 | beardy | htedrom: Think about that error message for an hour and you'll get it. |
| 00:15.26 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, ok |
| 00:15.41 | htedrom | beardy, maybe save me some time? |
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| 00:15.54 | beardy | haha.. |
| 00:16.26 | beardy | htedrom: Check if your disk is full. |
| 00:16.31 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: nah, not an ircop... #freenode or whatever it's forwarding to nowdays is the right place to ask |
| 00:16.34 | htedrom | beardy, it was |
| 00:16.38 | htedrom | beardy, you missed my msgs |
| 00:16.44 | htedrom | htedrom but i freed up some room |
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| 00:16.47 | htedrom | htedrom and now it won't resume downloading |
| 00:16.54 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i thought as much |
| 00:16.59 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Is it installed? |
| 00:17.10 | billh | stew I think I understand you now, you mean to rebuild the initrd image using yaird even with the prepackaged kernels, right ? |
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| 00:17.21 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, http://pastebin.ca/43818 |
| 00:18.22 | silensius | how to ask to dpkg chan |
| 00:18.23 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: hhh, he say it, not installed ;-) |
| 00:18.24 | beardy | htedrom: Ah, yes I did, sorry. Which client are you using? |
| 00:18.38 | htedrom | bittorando |
| 00:18.45 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: 'apt-get install wireless-tools' |
| 00:19.01 | htedrom | but i've had this problem with azures too |
| 00:19.07 | stew | billh: yes |
| 00:19.12 | Gravis | i have used apt to upgrade several libs and now various applications, like totem, mplayer, and wine die on execution or just get stuck and eat the CPU. how can i trace down the offending lib? |
| 00:19.59 | nkuttler | Gravis: what do you mean? you upgraded several libs? |
| 00:20.22 | Gravis | apt-get upgrade |
| 00:20.41 | nkuttler | Gravis: are you using stable? |
| 00:20.48 | Gravis | no |
| 00:21.08 | Gravis | but i have NEVER run into anything like this |
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| 00:21.36 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, okay, i installed it |
| 00:21.46 | Gravis | i compiled wine from source and still it acts the same |
| 00:21.56 | digijohn | People here using Debian on SPARC systems? |
| 00:22.09 | nkuttler | Gravis: do a dist-upgrade. if there are still errors go to the bts. |
| 00:22.22 | Gravis | bts? |
| 00:22.25 | billh | stew this is a pain, reading the man pages now |
| 00:22.28 | azeem | !bts |
| 00:22.28 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 00:22.30 | nkuttler | Gravis: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 00:23.28 | stew | billh: if you remove initramfs-tools and reinstall the kernel package the initrd should be regenerated for you |
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| 00:23.55 | billh | ok, good suggestion |
| 00:23.58 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, should i try to set up my wireless now? |
| 00:24.19 | Gravis | nkuttler: everything is upgraded (yes, dist as well) and the problem persists. however, im not asking to have someone figure out what i did to cause it, but rather how find the offending library. im a programmer so im no fool. |
| 00:24.27 | beardy | digijohn: Perhaps, but /msg dpkg sparc |
| 00:24.30 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: After wirelles-tools are installed, try again from the ndiswapper website. |
| 00:24.44 | stew | billh: wait, what kernel are you booting to try to run yaird from? |
| 00:24.45 | giwe | Is there a webpage explaining how to create a deb for a 2.6.15 kernel + i386? |
| 00:24.47 | azeem | Gravis: how do they crash? |
| 00:25.00 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: You not need the apps of it, but the how to setup, are clear there :-) |
| 00:25.24 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, okay |
| 00:25.45 | giwe | Is there a precompiled 2.6.15 deb kernel in some repository? |
| 00:25.46 | Gravis | azeem: mplayer immediately seg faults. i set the debug message level to max and it just segfaults without message |
| 00:26.04 | Gravis | azeem: wine just does nothing and eats the CPU |
| 00:26.05 | digijohn | beardy: Already done, thank you |
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| 00:26.43 | Gravis | azeem: totem looks like it's working but when you put your mouse over the window it dies/exits |
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| 00:27.09 | azeem | Gravis: if things segfault, you can record a backtrace in gdb |
| 00:27.10 | beardy | digijohn: Just ask your question here or there and perhaps someone can answer. |
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| 00:28.02 | Gravis | azeem: what is the gdb command to do a backtrace? is it "backtrace"? :) |
| 00:28.05 | billh | stew It didn't find the yaird tool and do the regeneration |
| 00:28.20 | azeem | Gravis: there is an info manual and a built-in help system |
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| 00:28.46 | dvm1981_ | giwe: It's in Testing |
| 00:28.59 | Gravis | azeem: yeah... i know... but they seem to leave out a LOT of options. though this sounds basic |
| 00:29.01 | giwe | dvm1981, you mean a precompiled deb? |
| 00:29.21 | dvm1981_ | giwe: Yes |
| 00:29.23 | Gravis | azeem: i have never found that there is a "where" command in gdb |
| 00:29.29 | debianito | Hi stew i talked to u before........I read the ipw2200 readme.txt and I think that i?ll need to compile...the new kernel(2.6.15 downloaded from backports) |
| 00:29.32 | Gravis | azeem: yet it exists and is great |
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| 00:29.40 | Seven_Six_Two | i upgraded to sid, and everything but my smtp works. I can't send anything with evolution or kmail on my isp and gmail's smpt server |
| 00:29.44 | stew | billh: what did it do? |
| 00:29.47 | giwe | dvm1981, I looked at the package pool is that the right place? |
| 00:29.56 | stew | debianito: i don't think so, i think you need to reread /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 00:30.09 | giwe | dvm1981, via lftp ftp.debian.org |
| 00:30.11 | debianito | ok i?ll try |
| 00:30.12 | dvm1981_ | giwe: I not know, i look a bit. |
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| 00:30.31 | Seven_Six_Two | it works from another linux box on my lan with the exact same settings so I don't know what to do now. |
| 00:30.36 | giwe | dvm1981, where do you usually get it? |
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| 00:32.09 | dvm1981_ | giwe: Why you need the deb package? |
| 00:32.12 | Seven_Six_Two | I can ping the smtp server, but no email will send |
| 00:32.12 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, im having a bit of trouble with this whole thing lol |
| 00:32.37 | unix_infidel | dpkg: upgrade? |
| 00:32.37 | dpkg | methinks upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security' |
| 00:32.38 | dvm1981_ | giwe: apt-get install <something> or apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 00:33.10 | unix_infidel | dpkg: upgrading to etch? |
| 00:33.14 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: The first time... You need to learn how it work, a bit strange at first aspect, but logic |
| 00:33.16 | giwe | dvm1981, I need to install it a different machine without network. |
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| 00:33.28 | giwe | dvm1981, I plan to install it with dpkg. |
| 00:33.32 | unix_infidel | ; |
| 00:33.37 | unix_infidel | :( |
| 00:33.41 | billh | stew complain that it can't run the init...something tools without a kernel revision of 2.6.12 or later |
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| 00:33.51 | dvm1981_ | !tell unix_infidel about upgrade |
| 00:34.02 | billh | stew chicken and the egg problem |
| 00:34.14 | unix_infidel | dvm1981_: how about that's what i already asked dpkg about. |
| 00:34.17 | stew | billh: the egg came first |
| 00:34.31 | billh | I don't have any older 2.6 kernels other than 2.6.15 |
| 00:34.31 | unix_infidel | i'm looking for information on HOW to edit my install via editing my sources.list |
| 00:34.34 | stew | billh: that sounds like a udev error |
| 00:34.39 | unix_infidel | which i have never messed with before. |
| 00:34.44 | billh | stew yes, certainly iss |
| 00:34.45 | billh | is |
| 00:35.05 | Seven_Six_Two | unix_infidel: you want to go from stable to testing? |
| 00:35.10 | unix_infidel | Seven_Six_Two: yea. |
| 00:35.30 | dvm1981_ | unix_infidel: Replace the words 'Stable' or 'Sarge' in the source list. |
| 00:35.31 | King_Andy | how do i tell what version of Debian i have? |
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| 00:35.35 | stew | billh: my suggestion would be to instlal a 2.6.12 kernel first, and upgrade using initramfs |
| 00:35.50 | dec0ding | how do I tell which processes to start at boot time in debian ? |
| 00:35.55 | dvm1981_ | unix_infidel: To what you want testing ... |
| 00:36.02 | billh | stem doesn't exist under testing, use unstable instead ? |
| 00:36.05 | debianito | stew: http://ipw2200.sf.net its writen this: See README.ipw2200 for information on specific options required to be enabled in the kernel. |
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| 00:36.09 | Seven_Six_Two | edit your sources.list with vi as root, change "stable" or "sarge" to "etch" or "testing" |
| 00:36.26 | beardy | dec0ding: "/msg dpkg update-rc.d" , "/msg dpkg rcconf" |
| 00:36.27 | stew | debianito: yeah, that's pertaining to 2.6.15 kernels, not to 2.6.8 kernels |
| 00:36.31 | dvm1981_ | unix_infidel: Then 'apt-get update' then 'apt-get -u dist-upgrade' |
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| 00:37.08 | Seven_Six_Two | unix_infidel: I don't think you'll get the security updates in testing though |
| 00:37.10 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, how do i know what kernal and debian i have? |
| 00:37.18 | unix_infidel | Seven_Six_Two: not that big of a deal. |
| 00:37.26 | [Silver] | KDE or Gnome for debian? |
| 00:37.28 | Seven_Six_Two | King_Andy: uname -r |
| 00:37.31 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Right, you have an old one, if i remember 'uname -r' |
| 00:37.37 | stew | [Silver]: try both and see which you prefer |
| 00:37.41 | dec0ding | beardy: thanks |
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| 00:38.00 | [Silver] | stew: thx |
| 00:38.01 | unix_infidel | dvm1981_: spiffy, thanks. |
| 00:38.02 | loggygreg | King_Andy: and cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:38.05 | beardy | King_Andy: kernel, 'man uname', Debian version, 'cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:38.08 | unix_infidel | hopefully ill have a working system by this evening :) |
| 00:38.14 | beardy | ' |
| 00:38.20 | stew | King_Andy: for debian version either cat /etc/debian_version ; or run "dpkg -l libc6" and compare the version to http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 00:38.40 | King_Andy | thanks |
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| 00:39.47 | Seven_Six_Two | does sid set up iptables during install? that's the only thing that I can think of that might stop me from sending mail |
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| 00:40.00 | stew | Seven_Six_Two: no |
| 00:40.11 | stew | Seven_Six_Two: maybe your isp is stopping you |
| 00:40.19 | stew | Seven_Six_Two: which mta are you using? |
| 00:40.20 | fiXXXerMet | What's the command to rerun the config that comes up after I apt-get install postfix? |
| 00:40.33 | stew | fiXXXerMet: dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 00:40.43 | Seven_Six_Two | stew: i uninstalled exim because i just want evolution |
| 00:40.47 | fiXXXerMet | That's much |
| 00:41.55 | stew | Seven_Six_Two: "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and make sure you chose "internet site" |
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| 00:42.49 | Seven_Six_Two | stew: exim isn't needed for evolution though. Is it? I've uninstalled it before |
| 00:42.56 | unix_infidel | wow, this default 2.6 debian kernel is slow to boot. |
| 00:42.58 | debianito | stew: so what do u tell I have to do? directly install ipw2000 and wireless tools? one more thing I cant understand this: to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib> (on /msg dpkg ip2200) |
| 00:43.14 | giwe | dvm1981, got it, it is in package pools under section l/linux-26 and not k/kernel-image |
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| 00:43.46 | giwe | dvm1981, got it, it is in package pools under section l/linux-26 and not k/kernel-image |
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| 00:44.10 | dvm1981_ | giwe: But you not need it from there. |
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| 00:44.22 | xfan | is there a friendly gui for "tc - htb" ? |
| 00:44.22 | dvm1981_ | Why you need the deb package? |
| 00:44.28 | dvm1981_ | giwe: ^^ |
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| 00:44.59 | giwe | dvm1981, for years I only used k/kernel-image when I needed ;) |
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| 00:45.10 | Sonny | hi, how can I access to the other PC.. with samba? |
| 00:45.22 | dvm1981_ | By dansing :-/ |
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| 00:45.48 | debianito | stew: so what do u tell I have to do? directly install ipw2000 and wireless tools? one more thing I cant understand this: to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib> (on /msg dpkg ip2200) |
| 00:45.51 | dvm1981_ | Sonny: In a file manager 'smb:/' |
| 00:45.53 | xfan | Sonny : smbmount of smb:/// on kde |
| 00:46.33 | jetscreamer | hey is there any special reason .vob's on dvd's are broken up into 1gb files? would one big one bork out the format or something? |
| 00:46.38 | dvm1981_ | giwe: So if you want that one installe 'apt-get install <package_name>' as root user. |
| 00:46.49 | dvm1981_ | s/installe/installed |
| 00:47.01 | giwe | dvm1981, yep, that's what I use when I have network connection. |
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| 00:47.07 | xfan | jetscreamer : thats a intresting question |
| 00:47.20 | giwe | dvm1981, I've got the packages now. thanks laters. |
| 00:47.25 | dadexter | jetscreamer, loading a huge file that takes the whole disk would require huge amounts of memory and time I would say |
| 00:47.27 | dvm1981_ | giwe: There are no needs to download it from the web, 'apt' do it!!! |
| 00:47.28 | debianito | men stew help me pls this is my first linux, and I think i?m doing effort before asking u to help me (gooooooogling) cause i think i?m gona crazy now |
| 00:47.54 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, yea man...i cant do this... i am SO lost |
| 00:48.09 | giwe | dvm1981, Yes, but the machine doesn't have network. I need to bring it via media. |
| 00:48.27 | stew | debianito: first, install the module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages |
| 00:48.44 | dvm1981_ | giwe: There are then an other method, but without doing it so, i not remember how to exact. |
| 00:48.49 | stew | debianito: after that finishes run: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200 |
| 00:49.01 | debianito | how to run m-a prepare?? |
| 00:49.08 | debianito | what?s m-a? |
| 00:49.13 | stew | !m-a |
| 00:49.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 00:49.14 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Where you fail exactly? |
| 00:49.20 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 00:49.23 | giwe | dvm1981, nevermind. I know what to do now. dpkg -i <package> this is the old way before apt. |
| 00:49.25 | stew | yay |
| 00:49.28 | Sonny | xfan: if I use gnome? |
| 00:49.28 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, i really dont know |
| 00:49.38 | stew | actually i think i will !beer stew for real |
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| 00:49.57 | xfan | sorry, i dont know gnome |
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| 00:50.00 | Sonny | dvm1981_ : I've tried that but nothing |
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| 00:50.27 | xfan | maybe smb:/// works too on gnome |
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| 00:50.48 | dvm1981_ | Sonny: In a file manager 'smb:/' then press enter, look that the firewall are OFF. The time you config it |
| 00:50.49 | abrotman | xfan: in nautilus .. file->connect to server |
| 00:51.36 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Bwa begin from the begin. A minute please. I take the manual :-/ |
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| 00:51.45 | debianito | stew big tx really!! but I think i?m going to compile the kernel again because i?t written step by step on one webpage(and in spanish) and i?ll try what u are telling me when I get more proffesional on debian...otherwise we both will get crazy |
| 00:52.03 | giwe | dvm1981, all of this to solve another problem. It looks like hal in testing doesn't work with kernells 2.6.14 and ealier. Do you know anything about? |
| 00:52.18 | stew | debianito: you might find ubuntu an easier distro if you are just starting out |
| 00:52.40 | debianito | yes but I want to learn |
| 00:52.51 | debianito | and like the debian community |
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| 00:52.59 | dvm1981_ | Someone knowledges for giwe ?? |
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| 00:53.17 | Seven_Six_Two | debianito: you will have to learn anyhow, but ubuntu is better to start on |
| 00:53.18 | WeeRobby | is anyone having problems with mirrors.kernel.org being slow tonight |
| 00:53.49 | dvm1981_ | giwe: I not know, or remeber, is late here :-/ |
| 00:54.02 | dvm1981_ | Wednesday March 1 2006 -- 01:53:52 +01:00 |
| 00:54.02 | debianito | ok tx again |
| 00:54.15 | streuner | that sounds the same way, like that crap gentoo running faster :-) |
| 00:55.05 | giwe | dvm1981, I always compile my own kernels but 2.6.15 is giving me problems in a certain box so that's why I'm trying the deb one... |
| 00:55.11 | Seven_Six_Two | debianito: my first was a failed debian expert install |
| 00:55.15 | streuner | Freud says, "You have to tell people always the same, no matter if its right or wrong, some day they believe it" |
| 00:55.17 | giwe | dvm1981, I haven't experienced this kind of hardware/software difficulties for a while... |
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| 00:55.26 | yulsuf | Hi |
| 00:55.29 | yulsuf | I have a litte ram, if I use this, it's a very very bad idea? |
| 00:55.30 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: I power on the wifi here, and ... try to do it with you... :-/ |
| 00:55.41 | yulsuf | --max-children 1 ? using this with spamassassin |
| 00:55.55 | WeeRobby | streuner, well under certain conditions with the proper use flags i am sure there is a bench mark that would show gentoo running faster but there is a lot of if's in that statment |
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| 00:56.06 | Sonny | dvm1981_ : how do I know If I have a firewall activated? I think i dont have any |
| 00:56.08 | Seven_Six_Two | yulsuf: It depends on what you want to do with it |
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| 00:56.19 | streuner | WeeRobby: that's not the point |
| 00:56.23 | James__ | hi all |
| 00:56.34 | yulsuf | <Seven_Six_Two> using --max-children 1 is a bad idea? |
| 00:56.35 | dvm1981_ | Sonny: Then you have it not :-/ |
| 00:56.55 | Sonny | dvm1981_ : so what could be happening? |
| 00:56.59 | yulsuf | spamassassin uses to much ram :( |
| 00:57.00 | dvm1981_ | Sonny: Sure you not have installed one? Then no firewall. But iptables .... |
| 00:57.02 | Seven_Six_Two | yulsuf: for what, apache? |
| 00:57.17 | giwe | dvm1981, okay. I'm moving to my other box. thanks bye. |
| 00:57.19 | Seven_Six_Two | oh ic |
| 00:57.19 | dvm1981_ | Sonny: Post you config on pastebin or so. |
| 00:57.21 | yulsuf | to delete spam via procmail |
| 00:57.52 | Seven_Six_Two | yulsuf: sorry, I missed that part, and I can't actually help you with that. |
| 00:58.14 | yulsuf | spamassassin works for apache? |
| 00:58.15 | debianito | ok Sevn_Six_Two it?s sound nice expert install of debian at first :P |
| 00:58.27 | Sonny | ok |
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| 00:58.45 | WeeRobby | streuner, My point being is while it nice in allto have all rice racer up perfectly optimized packages it hardly makes a noticeable difference between a optimized p4 gentoo box and debian every day binaries |
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| 00:59.02 | debianito | but u know i like debian also because of the information on the net |
| 00:59.06 | Seven_Six_Two | debianito: it was frustrating, but i tried mandrake next, and it made the learning easier |
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| 00:59.20 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: So go to http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation#Configure_interface: |
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| 00:59.33 | debianito | ohhhhh but i forgot to say i used suse before |
| 00:59.53 | debianito | but just installed fpc and the graphic system |
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| 01:00.17 | Stevie-O | my screen is screwing up |
| 01:00.18 | Stevie-O | wtf |
| 01:00.39 | WeeRobby | Stevie-O, your screen must not like you |
| 01:00.47 | Seven_Six_Two | debianito: debian is my 6th distro |
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| 01:00.55 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, okay, im at the site |
| 01:01.02 | Stevie-O | its frozen now |
| 01:01.05 | debianito | oh my god!! |
| 01:01.28 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Type as root user 'iwlist wlan0 scan' |
| 01:01.34 | WeeRobby | Stevie-O, I had my 21 inch Viewsonic G810 blow a red electron tube went out and bought a new sony 21 inch crt so dont feel so bad if yours is acting funny |
| 01:01.43 | nekostar | starscalling, |
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| 01:01.44 | nekostar | eh |
| 01:01.45 | nekostar | wtf |
| 01:01.45 | markw | argh... when did they rename kernel-source to linux-source |
| 01:01.56 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, "wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning." |
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| 01:02.07 | stew | markw: with kernel 2.6.12 |
| 01:02.10 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Aai shit |
| 01:02.13 | King_Andy | lol |
| 01:02.20 | Seven_Six_Two | debianito: have you seen distrowatch.com ? |
| 01:02.28 | markw | stew: knowing debian developers, there was a good reason and a thread a mile long on it. |
| 01:02.31 | debianito | no seven_six_two |
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| 01:02.41 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: I not know other methods like the mine support that, but wait, we try it without |
| 01:02.45 | stew | markw: becuase we have viable non-linux kernels now |
| 01:02.48 | King_Andy | okay |
| 01:03.03 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, your help is better than what i was trying |
| 01:03.04 | WeeRobby | Any way to change apt-get sources whle the net install is downloading packages |
| 01:03.10 | markw | stew: that gnu one? |
| 01:03.11 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: You need to know on wich channel it's turn, by my it's ch6 |
| 01:03.15 | stew | markw: and freebsd |
| 01:03.17 | Sonny | dvm1981_ : there you have http://pastebin.com/577694 |
| 01:03.24 | markw | freebsd? |
| 01:03.34 | debianito | seven_six_two what to do there? watch which distro will be better for me? |
| 01:03.46 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, so something like: iwlist wlan2 scan ? |
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| 01:04.04 | snow_ | hi |
| 01:04.05 | dvm1981_ | Sonny: Can you wait a bit, im bussy :-/ |
| 01:04.15 | stew | markw: http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 01:04.22 | snow_ | I 'm using laptop. I do not know how to make my laptop to sleep when I close the monitor |
| 01:04.22 | snow_ | ? |
| 01:04.45 | beardy | !tell markw -about debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 01:04.50 | WeeRobby | snow_, do you have acpi daemon installed |
| 01:05.00 | Seven_Six_Two | debianito: sortof. It's a good place to get info on the many many distros |
| 01:05.10 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: That do not help, because you need to have another 'wlan2' card, so looking so it's like you have 3 wifi cards |
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| 01:05.32 | Sonny | dvm1981_ : dont take too long I'm impatient :p |
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| 01:05.38 | debianito | ok Seven_Six_Two I?ll take a good look to that page |
| 01:05.54 | dvm1981_ | Sonny: I intermediate sollution, i paste my config and compare it ;-) |
| 01:05.58 | debianito | tx n byee se u soon xD ;) |
| 01:06.03 | snow_ | WeeRobby, I have acpi |
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| 01:06.42 | stew | i should be doing work on my bikes |
| 01:07.07 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Idk what to do |
| 01:07.08 | dvm1981_ | Sonny: http://pastebin.ca/43866 ;-) Hope it's help |
| 01:07.23 | unstable | stew: Does your bike run linux? |
| 01:07.27 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Voilla, moment :-/ |
| 01:07.27 | markw | stew: time trial this weekend. |
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| 01:07.38 | Sonny | dvm1981_ : Thanks man,,,, do you use to share linux - linux or windows - linux ? |
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| 01:07.58 | stew | markw: on a 'bent? |
| 01:08.10 | stew | unstable: no, its all closed source |
| 01:08.10 | tenmon | hi, anyone, what are the things one need to introduce a package in official repos? |
| 01:08.13 | dvm1981_ | Sonny: No when there are friends with his shit at home :-/ |
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| 01:08.19 | stew | tenmon: /msg dpkg mg |
| 01:08.21 | markw | stew: yup, course has like 10ft of elevation change. |
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| 01:08.30 | markw | stew: bents rule on the flats. |
| 01:08.46 | dvm1981_ | Sonny: I have no more a shit box at home!!! :-) |
| 01:08.48 | stew | and i guess the uci is in no way involved |
| 01:09.03 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: 'iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed' |
| 01:09.06 | markw | stew: it's local in socal. |
| 01:09.19 | stew | markw: do you have a beard? |
| 01:09.26 | markw | stew: not a FOG. |
| 01:09.28 | Sonny | dvm1981_ : Same with me.... just when my friends are here.. I have to switch to winbugs |
| 01:09.33 | stew | markw: aren't they required for recumbent riders? :) |
| 01:09.33 | markw | stew: ie.. no. |
| 01:09.46 | MatBoy | does life suck ? |
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| 01:09.48 | markw | stew: that's a myth perpetuated by old guys with beards who ride recumbents. |
| 01:10.09 | stew | heh |
| 01:10.24 | dvm1981_ | Sonny: No switch any more, if he ask for that's if force him to use Linux then, he have not a reason to force me to use shit. I use what i like to use!!! |
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| 01:11.16 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: To see the options 'iwlist'. |
| 01:11.26 | markw | http://www.bentrideronline.com/features/druery/druery.html <-no beard and fast... |
| 01:11.42 | markw | stew: that's a sweet recumbent too. |
| 01:11.53 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: You need to setup also the channel. I not know wish channel you use, by my default it's 6 |
| 01:12.00 | Sonny | dvm1981_ : Yeah... you're right!!! |
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| 01:12.13 | King_Andy | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 01:12.13 | King_Andy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:12.52 | stew | markw: i've only ridden one once. i'm too much of a sucker for old steel |
| 01:13.14 | Stevie-O | weird |
| 01:13.22 | Stevie-O | my screen process froze |
| 01:13.39 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: The device not excist. Need to create one. How to ?? |
| 01:13.52 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, not a clue bro! |
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| 01:14.10 | Stevie-O | You'd need a driver to manifest the device. |
| 01:14.43 | markw | stew: I've got this http://www.wolfenet.org/gallery2/v/Bikes/surly/img_1546.jpg.html , this http://www.wolfenet.org/gallery2/v/Bikes/paramount/IMG_0748.jpg.html , and this http://www.wolfenet.org/gallery2/v/Bikes/corsa/IMG_2203.JPG.html |
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| 01:15.03 | WeeRobby | some one shoo me |
| 01:15.13 | dvm1981_ | Normally with the 'madwifi install' the device are automatically created? No experience with that. So if not created, there was an trouble while installing 'madwifi'? |
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| 01:15.18 | beardy | markw: Cool, never seen such bikes before. |
| 01:15.18 | ^ATOMIC^ | debian:/home/barland/.master# sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_congestion_control=htcp |
| 01:15.18 | ^ATOMIC^ | error: 'net.ipv4.tcp_congestion_control' is an unknown key |
| 01:15.23 | ^ATOMIC^ | why can't it find the key? |
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| 01:15.41 | markw | stew: old lugged frames are pretty to look at, and ride nice, but 20mph effort on the paramount will have you moving 23-25 on the recumbent. |
| 01:15.58 | markw | beardy: they're commenly available. |
| 01:16.13 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Awaiting in a clue ;-) |
| 01:16.31 | markw | stew: I live about 2 miles from Brian Bayliss's shop. He built the 70's Masi's in Carlsbad which fetch a ton of cash now. |
| 01:16.51 | markw | beardy: if your talking about the black one, those are rarer, but becoming more popular. |
| 01:17.18 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: I have look a bit, looks like there exist an #madwifi |
| 01:17.23 | xfan | is there a friendly php-gui for "tc - htb" ? |
| 01:17.28 | King_Andy | ill hop in there |
| 01:17.37 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, ill let you know what they say |
| 01:17.55 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Go there, im connected to it (but not for long) :-) |
| 01:17.56 | markw | beardy: we're going to pick up one of these: http://www.catrike.com/speed.htm for my cousin this weekend. |
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| 01:19.17 | W3BMAST3R101 | Yo. Does any one here know of a debian fork similar to gentoo, but is highly stable? I would go with debian, but i have a slow connection and a lot of different processors (PPC)(AMD64)(x86) |
| 01:19.22 | King_Andy | dvm1981_, no worries...im asking right now for some help |
| 01:19.25 | simonrvn | what could potentially cause 'swapper' (kernel thread) to SEGV? |
| 01:19.46 | simonrvn | bad swap partition? bad disk? kernel bug? |
| 01:19.47 | asg | W3BMAST3R101: similar in what way to gentoo? |
| 01:19.57 | simonrvn | off the top of my head ^^^ |
| 01:19.58 | Seven_Six_Two | W3BMAST3R101: debian "stable" is stable |
| 01:20.00 | W3BMAST3R101 | mainly source based with a lot of packages |
| 01:20.11 | stew | W3BMAST3R101: why wouldn't you want debian? |
| 01:20.15 | ohy4 | hello, when installing linux, what partition should i use? ext3 journaling filesystem or ext2 file system? |
| 01:20.21 | dvm1981_ | King_Andy: Yea, i not have/know that hardware. So i can not help many with the setup process |
| 01:20.22 | W3BMAST3R101 | " I would go with debian, but i have a slow connection and a lot of different processors (PPC)(AMD64)(x86)" |
| 01:20.26 | dvs | ohy4: ext3 |
| 01:20.31 | ohy4 | ic |
| 01:20.33 | ohy4 | thanks |
| 01:20.41 | dvs | ohy4: You can go both ways with ext3 |
| 01:20.48 | ohy4 | and yeah, what is bootable flag? |
| 01:20.49 | ohy4 | :/ |
| 01:20.49 | Seven_Six_Two | W3BMAST3R101: debian can be run on those, and you can do a net install |
| 01:20.49 | beardy | W3BMAST3R101: So? Just order preburnt cd sets for each arch you need. |
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| 01:21.05 | dvm1981_ | Sonny: The of samba done? |
| 01:21.09 | dvs | ohy4: Doesn't really matter with Debian. |
| 01:21.17 | dvm1981_ | Sonny: The config of samba done? |
| 01:21.19 | stew | W3BMAST3R101: debian supports all of those processors, and I don't understand what connection speed would have to do with it |
| 01:21.23 | dvs | ohy4: Set it to your root partition |
| 01:21.27 | W3BMAST3R101 | 3K/s |
| 01:21.30 | ohy4 | what bout with others like ubuntu? |
| 01:21.35 | W3BMAST3R101 | To download updates |
| 01:21.36 | ohy4 | ok |
| 01:21.38 | W3BMAST3R101 | programs ect. |
| 01:21.38 | Seven_Six_Two | ouch. that's slow |
| 01:21.49 | W3BMAST3R101 | hence is why source based is prefered |
| 01:21.52 | stew | W3BMAST3R101: then only time debian stable gets updates is for security patches |
| 01:21.57 | asg | W3BMAST3R101: if you choose Debian's stable release, you will get only a few updates |
| 01:22.10 | Seven_Six_Two | W3BMAST3R101: order a cd set. ubuntu gives them away for releases |
| 01:22.18 | ohy4 | / = root right? |
| 01:22.27 | beardy | Seven_Six_Two: Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 01:22.31 | markw | heh, block device support. say Y if you want to attach drives bigger than 2TB. |
| 01:22.44 | Seven_Six_Two | beardy: I know. but 3K/s is slow. |
| 01:22.46 | dvs | markw: You have one (for me)? ;-) |
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| 01:22.56 | beardy | Seven_Six_Two: ? |
| 01:23.11 | markw | dvs: at 2TB, I'll buy another bicycle, it's healthier. |
| 01:23.13 | asg | Seven_Six_Two: everyone sleeps, one can download the requisite data during that time. |
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| 01:23.30 | Seven_Six_Two | and if the connection drops it will resume? |
| 01:23.30 | beardy | Seven_Six_Two: I doubt Ubuntu supports more than x86, do they? |
| 01:23.32 | asg | Seven_Six_Two: what do you think we did when we had 1200 baud modems? |
| 01:23.35 | dvs | @hello |
| 01:23.35 | ravenbird | HI, dvs! |
| 01:23.48 | Seven_Six_Two | beardy: x86, x86_64, ppc |
| 01:23.50 | Stevie-O | asg: Celebrated the blazing speeds compared to your 110 baud ones? |
| 01:23.59 | W3BMAST3R101 | source is prefered if any one knows of a distro that is stable that is source based >.> |
| 01:24.11 | asg | Stevie-O: well, you could solder the 110 to 300 ;) |
| 01:24.15 | dondelelcaro | W3BMAST3R101: source will be even larger than just getting the binaries that you need. |
| 01:24.18 | beardy | W3BMAST3R101: Ask ##linux. |
| 01:24.27 | W3BMAST3R101 | well it'd be binary x3 |
| 01:24.29 | W3BMAST3R101 | for updates |
| 01:24.30 | Stevie-O | asg: Eh? |
| 01:24.31 | asg | W3BMAST3R101: then look at the BSDs |
| 01:24.33 | dondelelcaro | W3BMAST3R101: if you really know what you're doing, you can always build all of Debian from source, but that's rather pointless. |
| 01:24.33 | W3BMAST3R101 | or one source |
| 01:24.44 | simonrvn | fuck yeh (WRT source based) |
| 01:25.04 | asg | Stevie-O: you could add a drop of solder to some 110 baud modems to make them 300 baud. |
| 01:25.18 | beardy | W3BMAST3R101: I said, order sarge cd sets, pressed, or preburnt, for each architecture you need. |
| 01:25.37 | Sonny | dvm1981_ : I'm in the middle of it... I'll tell you when I finish |
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| 01:25.48 | dvm1981_ | Sonny: Ok |
| 01:25.54 | dondelelcaro | W3BMAST3R101: so? you can still order the cds relatively cheaply. When you want to upgrade, use apt-zip or similar to get the packages you need from someplace that actually has a decent connection. |
| 01:26.09 | dvm1981_ | Sonny: Makking a cup of coffe then :-) |
| 01:26.10 | dondelelcaro | (or just run stable, and you'll only have to upgrade when we actually release) |
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| 01:26.34 | W3BMAST3R101 | alright thnx |
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| 01:26.48 | Sonny | dvm1981_ : I'm watching a movie too :p |
| 01:26.48 | asg | damog: you in .ve yet? |
| 01:27.06 | simonrvn | i'll take it the question i had i already answered on my own. thank you |
| 01:27.07 | damog | asg: Yes :) |
| 01:27.14 | asg | damog: :) |
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| 01:28.34 | simonrvn | ffs, the thing SEGVed and killed my editing session .... next time i'll run gvim from here =) |
| 01:28.57 | ohy4 | but isnt ubuntu based on debian? |
| 01:29.10 | dvs | Grrrrrrrr! |
| 01:29.13 | beardy | ohy4: Yes. /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 01:29.14 | gravity | every night |
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| 01:29.25 | Fraze | hmm.. I've jsut installed gnome on my debian box, and somehow I don't have these BIG icons on the button of the screen... I have a long bar instead.. how can i change that? |
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| 01:29.40 | dvs | ohy4: Topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:30.16 | simonrvn | that means type /topic in your irc client |
| 01:30.37 | asg | simonrvn: and we hope the whole topic is shown and not the first 80 chars or so |
| 01:30.45 | beardy | !tell ohy4 -about ubuntu |
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| 01:31.44 | simonrvn | quite |
| 01:32.00 | beardy | asg: The ubuntu part fits in 80 chars anyway. |
| 01:32.20 | Stevie-O | And yet people don't read it. |
| 01:32.26 | asg | beardy: true but they still won't read it |
| 01:32.26 | beardy | Indeed. |
| 01:32.31 | simonrvn | like in some dumb clients ... (which you can scroll all the way to the end FYI, but it's nicer to have it show up on-screen, IMO) |
| 01:32.31 | beardy | asg: I know. |
| 01:32.50 | asg | beardy: at least we don't have as many people asking about knoppix these days |
| 01:33.12 | dvs | asg: They've moved on to the installing phase |
| 01:33.20 | stew | i would guess that a lot of people see that in the topic and go "of course its not #ubuntu, but ubuntu is still debian" |
| 01:33.35 | simonrvn | possibly... |
| 01:33.36 | stew | it would probably be better if the topic just said, "Don't ask ubuntu questions" |
| 01:33.37 | beardy | asg: No, those are getting rarer, but it's always a constant flow of $based_on_debian questions/people.. |
| 01:33.43 | asg | beardy: of course |
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| 01:33.51 | asg | dvs: oh, I hope not ;) |
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| 01:34.30 | dvs | "Every time I run Knoppix, it won't install onto my hard drive!" |
| 01:34.41 | beardy | :) |
| 01:34.47 | Seven_Six_Two | lol |
| 01:35.06 | asg | stew: or make sure that /etc/debian_version only exists on Debian and have it say 'if /etc/debian_version doesn't exist, you are in the wrong place' |
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| 01:35.26 | stew | asg: yeah good luck making sure of that though :) |
| 01:35.28 | Stevie-O | It wouldn't be so bad except for the people who, after being *told* to go to #ubuntu or #knoppix or #gentoo or #whatever, insist on remaining here to ask their questions |
| 01:35.46 | gravity | Many do go |
| 01:35.50 | gravity | Most seem to without fuss |
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| 01:36.02 | Stevie-O | I've recently experienced a few who didn't |
| 01:36.08 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: ack! how? the logs? |
| 01:36.19 | dvm1981_ | dvs: Ask on #knoppix -> 'knx2hdd' |
| 01:36.21 | fhffhqvb | abrotman: html's |
| 01:36.25 | tengulre | Hi,all |
| 01:36.31 | tengulre | I have a problem! |
| 01:36.33 | stew | gravity: what do you think about changing "NOTE: this is NOT #ubunut" to "Don't ask ubuntu related questions" |
| 01:36.36 | dvs | dvm1981_: I was only kidding! |
| 01:36.44 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: they're not that big are they? |
| 01:36.46 | beardy | asg: They will "h4x0r" it, by releasing a "debain_able_2_ask_in_#debain.rpm" which installs it.. |
| 01:36.53 | gravity | stew: Maybe. I'll think about it, although I don't think it'll really solve the problem |
| 01:36.58 | dvm1981_ | dvs: Ok |
| 01:37.00 | tengulre | SOS, I have a problem, without Debian, anybody can help me? |
| 01:37.05 | fhffhqvb | abrotman: there's other stuff on my space and the deb*.html's are taking up 4MB |
| 01:37.12 | dvs | !tell tengulre -about ask |
| 01:37.16 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: ah ok |
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| 01:37.28 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: make more posters! |
| 01:37.31 | tengulre | I love my boss's wife, how to do?? |
| 01:37.33 | fhffhqvb | nein. |
| 01:37.55 | abrotman | tengulre: wrong channel |
| 01:38.00 | dvs | !prize abrotman |
| 01:38.12 | stew | he got the pony! |
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| 01:38.20 | asg | beardy: true |
| 01:38.29 | fhffhqvb | in soviet russia, pony gets abrotman |
| 01:38.29 | abrotman | i got a pony |
| 01:38.35 | abrotman | azeem: I GOT THE PONY! |
| 01:38.44 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: ew |
| 01:38.51 | beardy | abrotman: step up and ride around! |
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| 01:39.07 | stew | do you? |
| 01:39.10 | stew | often? |
| 01:39.13 | foo | Hmm, anyone in here use ftpasswd with proftpd? Proftpd is not respecting the AuthUserFile /etc/AuthUserFile I stuck in the config. Any ideas? I've restarted. hmm. |
| 01:39.22 | asg | stew: only when I'm tired |
| 01:39.27 | abrotman | !qotd161 is * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
| 01:39.27 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 01:39.35 | beardy | heh |
| 01:39.46 | asg | abrotman: at least I wasn't talking about scat this time |
| 01:39.52 | abrotman | asg: that is a great one :) |
| 01:40.08 | stew | or beating people off |
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| 01:40.27 | asg | stew: isn't the English language great :) |
| 01:41.03 | stew | asg: you mean large? |
| 01:41.06 | stew | :) |
| 01:41.08 | abrotman | !qotd153 |
| 01:41.08 | dpkg | from memory, qotd153 is <asg> abrotman: yes, I'm waiting for the german scat collection myself |
| 01:41.09 | asg | heh |
| 01:41.18 | beardy | haha.. |
| 01:41.21 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Quick question: i'm about to compile the mplayer binary deb from their sources. But the compiled deb doesn't say that it delivers the "mencoder" dependency (something the marillat packages do). How can i add it to it? which is the file in ./debian/ to edit? |
| 01:41.32 | Fraze | hmm.. I've jsut installed gnome on my debian box, and somehow I don't have these BIG icons on the button of the screen... I have a long bar instead.. how can i change that? |
| 01:41.39 | asg | abrotman: I really need to revisit my qotd2for script. It probably needs some TLC at this point. |
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| 01:42.14 | abrotman | asg: probably |
| 01:42.16 | abrotman | Fraze: the what? |
| 01:42.17 | stew | asg: there is dpkg.vireo.org/q/qotd |
| 01:42.27 | |splat|dsl | i'm having trouble getting the acx100 wireless driver working in debian-sarge-amd64 |
| 01:42.33 | rav | hello. anyone knows how to upgrade firefox 1.0 that comes with debian? |
| 01:42.51 | |splat|dsl | i installed the madule using apt and module-assistant |
| 01:42.58 | dvs | rav: backports? |
| 01:43.07 | |splat|dsl | but when I type 'modprobe acx' it tells me there is no acx |
| 01:43.09 | Fraze | abrotman: you know big icons instead of the bar that has the title names.. in the screenshots i saw there were icons of firefox terminal and other programs.. very like to OSX.. |
| 01:43.11 | Jimmymaniac | rav: first apt-get update, then apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 01:43.20 | asg | stew: ah, who did that. Mine's similar but generates a fortune(6) file |
| 01:43.26 | abrotman | Fraze: i use gnome . and i have absolutely no idea what you're tlaking about :) |
| 01:43.39 | stew | asg: that's mine, it pulls the .gz from don's site nightly |
| 01:43.51 | abrotman | Fraze: oh .. you want a launcher instead of a panel? |
| 01:43.52 | asg | stew: yeah, mine does too :) |
| 01:44.13 | Fraze | abrotman: maybe? |
| 01:44.19 | Fraze | abrotman: how can I load it? |
| 01:44.22 | abrotman | Fraze: you gotta be more specific |
| 01:44.29 | abrotman | Fraze: or can you find a screenshot ? |
| 01:44.35 | Fraze | abrotman: yes I have several |
| 01:44.40 | Fraze | http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=178063359343dc2b2a3b46d&p=screen |
| 01:44.42 | beardy | Fraze: Give us the url of that screenshot. |
| 01:44.53 | Seven_Six_Two | Fraze: have you looked in configurator? or panel properties? |
| 01:45.07 | abrotman | Fraze: i believe that's a gdesklet |
| 01:45.09 | Fraze | Seven_Six_Two: I didn't find it.. |
| 01:45.34 | Fraze | haa.. |
| 01:45.48 | zethreth | lsplatldsl: try modprobe -l *acx or acx* to see if it's in /lib/modules/ |
| 01:46.03 | rav | jimmymaniac: still the package i have is the 1.0.5 |
| 01:46.11 | abrotman | Fraze: http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/categories.php?func=gd_show_app&gd_app_id=210 |
| 01:46.14 | abrotman | Fraze: like that? |
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| 01:46.41 | stew | rav: its actually 1.0.7, if you want anything newer than 1.0.7 you need a backport http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 01:46.52 | Fraze | yes |
| 01:47.07 | stew | (or is it 1.0.6)? |
| 01:47.21 | unix_infidel | well shazam. |
| 01:47.35 | unix_infidel | i'm already getting key signature errors after upgrade. |
| 01:47.36 | liable | babboobi |
| 01:47.53 | Fraze | abrotman: Thanks :) |
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| 01:48.06 | abrotman | Fraze: you're welcome |
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| 01:49.28 | Stevie-O | hrm |
| 01:49.32 | deadcat | whats the advantage of having :0.0 and :0.1 vs xinerama? |
| 01:50.51 | Stevie-O | I should probably throw out my trash before it spawns life |
| 01:50.59 | |splat|dsl | acx_pci and acx_usb are in /lib/modules |
| 01:51.19 | asg | deadcat: the latter provides one large logical X instance. The former is two separate X instances. |
| 01:51.44 | deadcat | asg: can i still drag stuff from 0.0 to 0.1? |
| 01:51.50 | Aim_Here | acx_pci and acx_usb? Isn't that an obsolete version of the tiacx driver? |
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| 01:52.18 | Aim_Here | Try looking for later snapshots and trying those out |
| 01:52.20 | asg | deadcat: with xmove iirc but I'm not sure. |
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| 01:52.25 | nate_ | hallo |
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| 01:52.30 | dvs | hu |
| 01:52.40 | deadcat | asg: ok. |
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| 01:53.23 | nate_ | i'm trying to build my own debian package that distributes configuration files to specific directories, and I get this error: |
| 01:53.32 | Aim_Here | Oh, |splat|dsl, the folks in #acx100 on this very server were very helpful when I needed them to help me get my acx card running |
| 01:53.50 | |splat|dsl | Aim_Here: theres a better driver? |
| 01:53.51 | nate_ | package control info rmdir of `etc' didn't say nor a dir: Directory not empty |
| 01:54.12 | nate_ | anyone know what's goin on with that? the deb creation docs seem rather lacking to me |
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| 01:54.22 | Aim_Here | Well I seem to recall that the daily dev snapshots are better than the supposedly stable version. More stable too |
| 01:54.30 | foo | proftpd is running pretty slow on connections ... I think I have to disable the ident or something. Any ideas? |
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| 01:55.16 | Stevie-O | identd and/or hostname lookup |
| 01:55.40 | pjv | how do i enable numlock to be on everytime X starts up? |
| 01:55.49 | foo | Stevie-O: Yeah, how do I disable that? |
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| 01:56.33 | beardy | !numlock |
| 01:56.33 | dpkg | Use setleds(1) to set the NumLock (and CapsLock and ScrollLock) status in a vt. Have a look at the package "numlockx" to set the NumLock status in X. |
| 01:57.12 | beardy | pjv: ^^^ |
| 01:57.23 | pjv | ahh |
| 01:57.25 | pjv | ty |
| 01:57.34 | beardy | pjv: you're welcome |
| 01:58.38 | ohy4 | x, fluxbox, kde, or gnome? |
| 01:58.45 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:58.45 | dpkg | i heard qotd87 is <MaXoM> hello i have a problem with squirrelmail can i help you? |
| 01:58.55 | pjv | beardy: you might know this i have one of those multimedia keyboards what's the program that handles these xtra functions? |
| 01:59.10 | Stevie-O | that's an interesting offer |
| 01:59.12 | Aim_Here | pjv> Windows XP? |
| 01:59.19 | ohy4 | lol @ quote |
| 01:59.21 | beardy | pjv: I have it on my tongue.. |
| 01:59.21 | Stevie-O | foo: i would examine the protftp.conf file |
| 01:59.21 | rav | stew: thanks! that worked out nicely. too bad there's no update for thunderbird |
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| 01:59.46 | foo | Stevie-O: I don't think it's in there. |
| 01:59.50 | asg | pjv: xbindkeys |
| 01:59.50 | foo | Stevie-O: Believe I've checked |
| 01:59.59 | pjv | i forgot the name of it too, this is not my box, i just have i normal keyboard at home |
| 02:00.04 | abrotman | asg: don't do that again .. i'll have to write xdonkeys |
| 02:00.16 | asg | pjv: or lineakd |
| 02:00.28 | abrotman | i don't know what xdonkeys will do .. but i'll write it! |
| 02:00.35 | stew | rav: you could try backporting it yourself, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 02:00.43 | asg | abrotman: xpenguins |
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| 02:01.02 | unix_infidel | how do i get fluxbox going on debian |
| 02:01.02 | pjv | ahh that' |
| 02:01.06 | beardy | pjv: "hotkeys" was what I was thinking about |
| 02:01.07 | pjv | that's the one |
| 02:01.12 | pjv | cheers |
| 02:01.12 | abrotman | unix_infidel: apt-get install x-window-system-core xdm fluxbox |
| 02:01.14 | unix_infidel | i did apt-get install xserver-xorg but that didnt work. |
| 02:01.19 | chuckyp | unix_infidel, you install it just like any other distro |
| 02:01.32 | unix_infidel | also did apt-get install fluxbox? |
| 02:01.40 | dvs | unix_infidel: Sarge? |
| 02:01.43 | unix_infidel | and that didnt take care of all the deps for me. |
| 02:01.45 | unix_infidel | dvs: etch. |
| 02:01.51 | nate_ | so, anyone package anything for debian ever? |
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| 02:02.03 | pjv | thanks all |
| 02:02.04 | dvs | nate_: ????? |
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| 02:02.14 | dvs | nate_: Debian has thousands of packages |
| 02:02.25 | unix_infidel | ahh, apt-get install x-window-system fluxbox works :) |
| 02:02.46 | unix_infidel | that's an odd way of installing X+fluxbox :P |
| 02:02.47 | nate_ | dvs: I need help with a package i'm making, that's why i was asking |
| 02:02.55 | gravity | nate_: Could you put your package up somewhere? I don't know what's going on from that error. |
| 02:03.01 | gravity | It's kind of opaque |
| 02:03.05 | abrotman | unix_infidel: not really |
| 02:03.12 | nate_ | gravity: will do, thanks |
| 02:03.26 | unix_infidel | abrotman: gotta roll with it nonetheless eh mate? |
| 02:03.46 | abrotman | canadian? australian? |
| 02:03.47 | gravity | nate_: I don't need the deb, I need the sources, btw |
| 02:04.16 | dvs | abrotman: Canadian use "mate"? C'mon! |
| 02:04.20 | nate_ | gravity: you can just extract the deb though, right? It's not an actual program, just a means of distributing configuration files |
| 02:04.32 | gravity | nate_: Just post the whole thing please |
| 02:04.33 | abrotman | dvs: no .. that's the confusing part .. he used 'eh' and 'mate' |
| 02:04.48 | liable | prolly a kiwi |
| 02:05.14 | asg | abrotman: probably from Yorkshire then |
| 02:05.16 | liable | just need to throw in a cuz |
| 02:05.23 | dvs | liable: Why?> |
| 02:05.24 | nate_ | gravity: http://rapidshare.de/files/14394381/fred-conf.deb.html |
| 02:05.46 | liable | dvs: know any kiwis? eh cuz? |
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| 02:06.00 | gravity | wtf is this |
| 02:06.04 | dvs | liable: Nope. |
| 02:06.13 | gravity | nate_: Can you post it somewhere that I don't have to look at insanity? |
| 02:06.18 | fhffhqvb | gravity: lions? |
| 02:06.21 | gravity | I'm not going to read all that shit |
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| 02:07.09 | beardy | indeed, wtf was that.. |
| 02:07.12 | gravity | I'm sure as hell not going to pay to download your deb if that's what it's asking |
| 02:07.39 | nate_ | no |
| 02:07.43 | nate_ | click the free thing |
| 02:07.49 | gravity | I did |
| 02:07.52 | gravity | It showed the same thing |
| 02:07.53 | nate_ | know of a free place to upload? |
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| 02:08.02 | chuckyp | nate_, putfile |
| 02:08.10 | nate_ | chuckyp, thanks |
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| 02:09.09 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 02:09.15 | seb- | why build your own kernel when you can apt-get them? |
| 02:09.20 | xerophyte | say i have two hard-drive and if i want to install the grub on the second drive do i have to use root(hd1,0) just wondering |
| 02:09.22 | dvs | tengulre: /topic |
| 02:09.27 | beardy | seb-: ? |
| 02:09.38 | seb- | beardy: yes? |
| 02:09.48 | tenmon | seb-: why apt-get your own kernel when you can build it? |
| 02:09.50 | chuckyp | nate_, errr thats only for video files it appears. |
| 02:10.00 | chuckyp | nate_, there are a ton of places though. |
| 02:10.00 | nate_ | chuckyp, i got one now |
| 02:10.03 | seb- | beardy, tenmon: i mean...why compile a kernel yourself |
| 02:10.04 | beardy | seb-: To whom? |
| 02:10.14 | chuckyp | nate_, which one did you go with? |
| 02:10.15 | abrotman | beardy: don't feel bad . i'm confused too |
| 02:10.27 | beardy | abrotman: I don't :) |
| 02:10.29 | nate_ | gravity, http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=36633 |
| 02:10.36 | nate_ | chuckyp, yourfilelink.com |
| 02:10.51 | seb- | beardy: huh? |
| 02:11.16 | nate_ | chuckyp, http://www.freewebspace.net/guide/diskstorage.shtml |
| 02:11.19 | gravity | nate_: Where's the packaging? |
| 02:11.22 | gravity | Not the package. |
| 02:11.23 | nate_ | chuckyp, a list of them |
| 02:11.25 | beardy | seb-: Did you just say that to express your opinion, or was it directed to someone, as an asnwer? |
| 02:11.33 | chuckyp | nate_, wow 50mb limit nice |
| 02:11.34 | liable | xerophyte: yup, if its the primary slave |
| 02:11.45 | nate_ | gravity, you can extract the package, ar -x <package name> |
| 02:11.49 | gravity | fuck dude |
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| 02:11.54 | nate_ | what do you want man? |
| 02:11.56 | nate_ | i'm clueless |
| 02:11.58 | gravity | I told you |
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| 02:12.25 | gravity | fuck it, let me look |
| 02:12.27 | nate_ | gravity: data.tar.gz or control.tar.gz? |
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| 02:12.47 | gravity | nate_: I want the directory which you build the package with. Complete with debian directory. |
| 02:12.51 | chuckyp | gravity, tar xvzf blah.tar.gz |
| 02:12.52 | gravity | Including debian/rules |
| 02:13.11 | gravity | And dh_* files |
| 02:13.15 | gravity | If you have them |
| 02:13.31 | nate_ | gravity, don't have them, it's a rather small and simple package |
| 02:13.42 | nate_ | gravity, and the debian howto said i didn't need them |
| 02:13.57 | nate_ | unless i was compiling something |
| 02:14.01 | nate_ | unless i misunderstood |
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| 02:14.07 | nate_ | <--clueless |
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| 02:14.37 | nate_ | the directions are as clear as mud on the deb howto from debian |
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| 02:14.57 | gravity | This is so wrong |
| 02:15.00 | Stevie-O | god damnit |
| 02:15.05 | nate_ | ok, that's good to know |
| 02:15.09 | Stevie-O | I need to buy a stamp |
| 02:15.12 | Stevie-O | that says RETURN TO SENDER |
| 02:15.15 | nate_ | at least I know i'm way off |
| 02:15.17 | gravity | So you just have a tarball that you expect dpkg to unpack for you? |
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| 02:15.19 | Stevie-O | then stamp all of my junk mail with it |
| 02:15.28 | nate_ | gravity, ummm, yeah |
| 02:15.30 | gravity | That's basically all this is without a rules file or control information |
| 02:15.44 | Stevie-O | .deb files are not tar files |
| 02:15.46 | gravity | You need the following |
| 02:15.49 | gravity | A debian directory |
| 02:15.50 | Stevie-O | .deb files are ar files |
| 02:15.51 | _gus_ | UBUNTU ROCKS |
| 02:15.53 | nate_ | gravity, the control info is in the control.tar.gz |
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| 02:15.59 | abrotman | _gus_: go tell #ubuntu |
| 02:16.01 | asg | _gus_: then go thank the people #ubuntu |
| 02:16.04 | nate_ | unless i'm not getting it again |
| 02:16.10 | _gus_ | lol |
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| 02:16.17 | abrotman | !tell _gus_ about lol |
| 02:16.17 | beardy | Wow, all hell broke lose. |
| 02:16.17 | _gus_ | cheers guys |
| 02:16.22 | Stevie-O | lol |
| 02:16.32 | chuckyp | _gus_, isn't ubuntu just a hacked together debian? |
| 02:16.34 | beardy | loose |
| 02:16.37 | _gus_ | that was what i was expecting |
| 02:16.41 | asg | beardy: "Hell is ubuntu" -- some odd Sartreian reference perhaps? |
| 02:16.45 | _gus_ | ;) |
| 02:16.55 | _gus_ | im a bit bored here |
| 02:17.07 | abrotman | _gus_: please go to #ubuntu |
| 02:17.07 | beardy | _gus_: You're a bit stupid there. |
| 02:17.07 | gravity | This control file is formatted wrong |
| 02:17.07 | Stevie-O | I thought Hell was a nonfunctioning Windows install |
| 02:17.11 | chuckyp | _gus_, I've found debian runs faster than ubuntu. Atleast on my laptop. So Debian Rocks |
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| 02:17.20 | nate_ | gravity, ? |
| 02:17.21 | gravity | wtf |
| 02:17.25 | asg | Stevie-O: that's Purgatory |
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| 02:17.42 | gravity | better |
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| 02:17.49 | nate_ | thx |
| 02:17.55 | Stevie-O | asg: No, Purgatory is a functioning Windows install |
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| 02:18.11 | asg | Stevie-O: fsvo functioning |
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| 02:18.15 | Stevie-O | greek mode? |
| 02:18.16 | digs | why do the BitTorrent tracker appear like "Connection Refused" |
| 02:18.18 | digs | ?? |
| 02:18.25 | *** mode/#debian [-o gravity] by gravity |
| 02:18.26 | digs | I'm downloading debian 3.1r1 |
| 02:18.29 | digs | DVD iso |
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| 02:18.35 | asg | Stevie-O: greebo from pterry novels |
| 02:18.38 | gravity | nate_: Ok, what's your exact error again? |
| 02:18.47 | beardy | digs: Have you considered doing a netinstall? |
| 02:18.56 | digs | nop |
| 02:18.57 | Stevie-O | asg: a dangerous cat? |
| 02:19.05 | beardy | !netinst |
| 02:19.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For sarge, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ For boot floppies see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ For etch see http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/beta1/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso for x86, or see dialup install. Also see d-i. |
| 02:19.06 | asg | Stevie-O: vicious |
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| 02:19.13 | digs | but I want to keep the DVDs for another uses |
| 02:19.22 | beardy | digs: Ok. |
| 02:19.24 | gravity | nate_: And your stuff is wrong. You need to move the sources.list, not copy it. |
| 02:19.28 | digs | thnx |
| 02:19.29 | abrotman | /op gravity |
| 02:19.35 | beardy | digs: Just so you know it's possible. |
| 02:19.44 | asg | Stevie-O: lart-ng |
| 02:19.46 | digs | yes thanks |
| 02:19.48 | nate_ | gravity, argh.... |
| 02:20.00 | digs | I will try jigdo |
| 02:20.04 | nate_ | gravity, package control info rmdir of `etc' didn't say nor a dir: Directory not empty |
| 02:20.08 | nate_ | that's the error |
| 02:20.21 | nate_ | gravity, do you know some good docs on building deb packages? |
| 02:20.29 | gravity | "nor a dir"? |
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| 02:20.33 | nate_ | not |
| 02:20.40 | nate_ | sorry, it's on the puter next to me |
| 02:21.05 | Stevie-O | meh |
| 02:21.07 | gravity | What throws that error exactly? |
| 02:21.30 | phobetor | Hi - I have the following problem on my laptop running debian-unstable: acpid reports that /proc/acpi/event is busy - lsof shows that hald-addon-acpi have a lock on it - does anybody know how to fix that (my main problem is that batstat applet in gnome can't show battery time anymore) |
| 02:21.50 | Mrono | I just installed Debian on an old machine |
| 02:21.52 | nate_ | it says unpacking the package, then it says: dpkg: error processing fred-conf.deb (--install): |
| 02:21.54 | Stevie-O | while it's starting up, my system is informing me that /etc/network/options is deprecated |
| 02:21.57 | nate_ | then the error that i pasted |
| 02:21.59 | Mrono | it supports up to 1024x768 |
| 02:22.12 | nate_ | then it says: Errors were encountered while processing |
| 02:22.15 | Mrono | how do I get the resolution up to that size |
| 02:22.20 | asg | Stevie-O: yes, use /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 02:22.23 | gravity | nate_: Do you have a dirs file in your packaging? |
| 02:22.37 | nate_ | gravity, no |
| 02:22.43 | nate_ | gravity, didn't see that in the howto |
| 02:22.50 | gravity | hrmpf |
| 02:23.00 | unix_infidel | can more than one instance of apt-get be working at once? |
| 02:23.08 | chuckyp | Mrono, are you talking about in a window manager like kde or gnome or at a terminal |
| 02:23.22 | nate_ | gravity, i know, i'm way off, can you point me in the right direction please? |
| 02:23.23 | abrotman | unix_infidel: no |
| 02:23.27 | beardy | unix_infidel: It will probably whine about not being able to lock the cache. |
| 02:23.29 | Mrono | kde/gnome |
| 02:23.33 | gravity | ugh... ubuntu |
| 02:23.34 | nate_ | gravity, I want to learn how to do this right |
| 02:23.53 | gravity | This is an ubuntu package |
| 02:24.04 | |splat|dsl | how do i refresh a module without rebooting? |
| 02:24.05 | nate_ | gravity, well, sortof, not really |
| 02:24.05 | abrotman | isn't there a #ubuntu-mentor channel ? |
| 02:24.13 | nate_ | gravity, ultimately it will be on ubuntu |
| 02:24.15 | Stevie-O | |splat|dsl: refresh? |
| 02:24.26 | Stevie-O | what do you mean? |
| 02:24.32 | asg | abrotman: /list #ubuntu-mentor will tell you :) |
| 02:24.36 | nate_ | gravity, only because the repos have the forensics utilities i need readily available |
| 02:24.43 | gravity | nate_: To be honest, I don't know what's going on. This is pretty bizarre packaging as far as I know and I have no idea what Ubuntu has changed in their system. |
| 02:24.52 | gravity | nate_: I'd recommend seeking further help from ubuntu sources |
| 02:25.05 | Mrono | nate_: try #ubuntu |
| 02:25.14 | nate_ | gravity, i made it completely from scratch from a debian howto |
| 02:25.24 | Stevie-O | is there a page somewhere that tells me what I need to do to convert my /etc/network/options to sysctl.conf form? |
| 02:25.24 | nate_ | gravity, nothing ubuntu-related |
| 02:25.30 | abrotman | or he could try the dev channel .. it's not even hidden |
| 02:25.47 | phobetor | REPOST: I have the following problem on my laptop running debian-unstable: acpid reports that /proc/acpi/event is busy - lsof shows that hald-addon-acpi have a lock on it - does anybody know how to fix that (my main problem is that batstat applet in gnome can't show battery time anymore) |
| 02:25.55 | beardy | Stevie-O: Yesterday I had a suspended aptitude, which I had forgotten, and started another one, and it confuzed me a bit when it started giving errors, until I noticed what I had done :) |
| 02:25.56 | abrotman | repeater! |
| 02:26.05 | nate_ | gravity, know of a good howto or some good docs at least? |
| 02:26.06 | Stevie-O | beardy: That'll do it :) |
| 02:26.14 | gravity | nate_: Not off the top of my head |
| 02:26.30 | |splat|dsl | Stevie-O: this acx driver needs a firmware, if i change the name or copy a new firmware in to the directory, how do i refresh the module to recognize it? |
| 02:26.30 | Stevie-O | you could obliterate the program in question, phobetor |
| 02:26.31 | chuckyp | Mrono, well if you can get into the window manager there are places to change your resolution. If you need to do it before your launch the window manger there are config files you can edit. |
| 02:26.33 | nate_ | k, thx anyways |
| 02:26.47 | Stevie-O | |splat|dsl: rmmod <module> then re-modprobe or re-insmod |
| 02:26.51 | abrotman | nate_: the people in #ubuntu should be able to point you to some resources |
| 02:26.52 | phobetor | Stevie-O: would that be acpid or hald? |
| 02:27.01 | Mrono | I can run at a max of 800x600 right now |
| 02:27.04 | Stevie-O | phobetor: I dunno, figure out what pid lsof is giving you |
| 02:27.05 | nate_ | abrotman, you have more faith in them than i do ;) |
| 02:27.07 | Mrono | I need to set it to more |
| 02:27.18 | asg | nate_: the maint-guide package might be helpful |
| 02:27.22 | Stevie-O | phobetor: I just recommend that you don't try to kill it if lsof says it's pid 1 |
| 02:27.28 | chuckyp | Mrono, okay what version of deb are you running sarge or testing? |
| 02:27.37 | abrotman | nate_: not really .. but i mean .. they can't be that stupid .. can they? |
| 02:28.13 | phobetor | lsof says the PID is that of /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-acpi |
| 02:28.28 | Stevie-O | beardy: You could be the one to give apt's database a centralized daemon so you could have multiple simultaneous apt-gets |
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| 02:29.12 | gravity | I don't get it. Ubuntu has a zillion users. Yet people come here for help with it. |
| 02:29.20 | asg | gravity: /msg dpkg they don't know |
| 02:29.30 | gravity | That's not an answer |
| 02:29.31 | jetscreamer | they....^^ what he said |
| 02:29.36 | abrotman | gravity: boy .. you really missed out on the knoppix fun :) |
| 02:29.46 | chuckyp | Mrono, if you are running sarge you need to edit your /etc/X11/XF86config-4 or if you are running testing or later edit xorg.conf |
| 02:29.49 | gravity | I was there |
| 02:29.50 | jetscreamer | gravity... how about they don't know shit about squat... |
| 02:29.56 | gravity | And I was there for the gentoo fun also |
| 02:30.00 | jetscreamer | not that i would ever say that... |
| 02:30.03 | Stevie-O | hey asg |
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| 02:30.05 | abrotman | gravity: maybe the xchat client goes to #d by default? |
| 02:30.15 | asg | gravity: it is an answer in the sense that everyone uses it but nobody has used it enough to provide support to the degree that we do. It's based on Debian so they come here. |
| 02:30.19 | nate_ | asg: thanks, it's installed now. |
| 02:30.36 | jetscreamer | i hang in there and help when i'm feeling godlike.. :) |
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| 02:30.48 | asg | nate_: that's the Debian way of basic package creation; it may work for ubuntu but there are no guarantees. |
| 02:30.56 | abrotman | jetscreamer: then you get banned :) |
| 02:30.57 | Stevie-O | asg: is there a page somewhere telling me how to translate my /etc/network/options to sysctl.conf? |
| 02:31.19 | jetscreamer | abrotman: been there done that :) |
| 02:31.22 | nate_ | asg: it's in the ubuntu repos. ubuntu, so far, has been nearly identical to my experiences with debian. |
| 02:31.25 | |splat|dsl | does anyone know anything about this acx100 driver? it seems that the driver is loading correctly but i am not getting a wlan0 iface |
| 02:31.47 | gravity | nate_: Anyway, please take future ubuntu questions to #ubuntu |
| 02:31.48 | beardy | Stevie-O: I don't feel I need such a thing though. |
| 02:32.04 | Stevie-O | beardy: Nobody else has, either, it seems. |
| 02:32.11 | Stevie-O | Or at least, not strongly enough to enable such a thing. |
| 02:32.12 | nate_ | gravity, i didn't perceive it as an ubuntu question, but whatever you wish |
| 02:32.27 | Stevie-O | s/enable/create/ |
| 02:32.35 | phobetor | Stevie-O, thanks for the tip, works nicely when I kill of the process - do you know if I can prevent hal from starting hald-addon-acpi? |
| 02:32.43 | asg | Stevie-O: it's just a mapping to a higher level in /proc. Look at the ip_forward and net/ipv4/ip_forward options in the two files and you'll get the gist (sysctl.conf(5) has a little more info) |
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| 02:33.16 | Eowo | Hi can anyone please help me with the "The PHP configuration on your server doesn't support the database type that you chose" error, I've been trying to set up phpbb2 for hours and cant seem to get it working :( |
| 02:33.43 | jetscreamer | !tell nate_ -about debtakeover |
| 02:33.43 | asg | nate_: in many ways it is, the processes are similar but the package versions are different so bugs we see may or may not be reflected in ubuntu (and vice-versa) |
| 02:33.46 | easytiger | what db u using |
| 02:33.56 | easytiger | what db u using Eowo |
| 02:33.58 | Eowo | Mysql 4.0 |
| 02:33.58 | abrotman | what kind of question is that? |
| 02:34.07 | asg | Eowo: apt-get install php4-mysql ; restart apache |
| 02:34.11 | Eowo | i tried 4.1 too but that didnt work |
| 02:34.21 | jetscreamer | nate_: btw the stock answer for w32codecs in debian is marillat. in ubuntu if you use marillat it will break ubuntu |
| 02:34.42 | nate_ | asg: yeah, I thought packaging was identical, but package versions were different. And since I know debian users to be more knowledgable than ubuntu users, I inquired here. |
| 02:34.52 | chuckyp | Eowo, #phpbb possibly? |
| 02:34.59 | Stevie-O | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 02:35.40 | asg | nate_: we'll answer and try to be helpful but there are limits since ubuntu is basically our unstable 6 months ago + patches. |
| 02:35.53 | nate_ | asg: okie dokie |
| 02:36.03 | nate_ | asg: I appreciate your patience :D |
| 02:36.11 | abrotman | ubuntu must die! |
| 02:36.11 | asg | Stevie-O: #net/ipv6/ip_forward=1 |
| 02:36.23 | jetscreamer | it took me 6 hours to encode a video, only to find out i clipped it 2 or 4 pixels too long and i had a green bar... so i had to do it again... :( |
| 02:36.25 | asg | nate_: ;) |
| 02:36.37 | Stevie-O | ls: /proc/sys/net/ipv6/ip_forward: No such file or directory |
| 02:36.40 | asg | Stevie-O: that's why /etc/network/options is deprectated (or one of the reasons) |
| 02:36.47 | asg | Stevie-O: modprobe ipv6 |
| 02:36.59 | beardy | jetscreamer: heh, those are the moments when patience and self control are taught |
| 02:37.01 | nate_ | abrotman, lols |
| 02:37.16 | Stevie-O | i have a pile of things in /proc/sys/net/ipv6 |
| 02:37.16 | Stevie-O | ip_forward is not one of them |
| 02:37.22 | nate_ | abrotman, it's not so bad, i like both debian and ubuntu myself |
| 02:37.30 | beardy | s/taught/learnt/ perhaps.. |
| 02:37.32 | abrotman | nate_: ubuntu must go to #ubuntu now! |
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| 02:38.27 | chuckyp | nate_, I don't understand why you would install ubuntu over debian? |
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| 02:39.24 | jetscreamer | beardy: yeah i set the first one off, went to work, came home and it had like 30 seconds left :) how's that for timing... now i had to mess around and kill time :( |
| 02:39.25 | asg | Stevie-O: maybe a bug then |
| 02:39.29 | nate_ | chuckyp, i stated it earlier, the repos have precisely the required forensics utilities I need, and have them readily available. The only one that is lacking is lacking in both debian and ubuntu |
| 02:39.42 | zethreth | Ubuntu advancing in usability and other simular distros are the reasons for more people using linux. |
| 02:39.46 | nate_ | chuckyp, plus most of these people probably couldn't handle debian, imo |
| 02:40.13 | tenmon | zethreth: that's true |
| 02:40.15 | nate_ | chuckyp, they're not 'linux' people, unfortunately |
| 02:40.15 | zethreth | Not everyone takes linux on as a hobby |
| 02:40.31 | nate_ | zethreth, yeah, but hobbyists don't want to hear that! :D |
| 02:40.38 | gravity | zethreth: Whether or not ubuntu is good is a moot point. It totally doesn't matter. This is just the wrong channel to get help for it. |
| 02:40.46 | gravity | zethreth: Hence being #debian and not #ubuntu |
| 02:40.48 | chuckyp | nate_, I bet my friend could install debian with out a problem just as easily as ubuntu |
| 02:40.58 | chuckyp | nate_, with no linux knowledge |
| 02:41.09 | zethreth | Here about how good it is to see how far linux has come to be able to compete with windows. |
| 02:41.18 | nate_ | chuckyp, a single friend vs. a whole classroom, even several classrooms of students, is another story |
| 02:41.41 | zethreth | yaeh and setting up his printer |
| 02:41.42 | abrotman | holy crap .. can we stop with the ubuntu talk? |
| 02:41.43 | beardy | zethreth: Linux is only the kernel. |
| 02:42.06 | asg | abrotman: we can talk about OpenBSD then |
| 02:42.08 | dadexter | when did this place become #ubuntu? |
| 02:42.18 | asg | dadexter: long ago |
| 02:42.20 | abrotman | it didn't .. but fucktards won't shut up about it |
| 02:42.31 | dadexter | ubuntu != debian |
| 02:42.38 | easytiger | lol @ fucktards |
| 02:42.54 | beardy | it bounced |
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| 02:43.01 | asg | Stevie-O: I run 16 Debian umls on Debian |
| 02:43.08 | nate_ | Stevie-O, LOL |
| 02:43.09 | Stevie-O | nested? :D |
| 02:43.09 | dadexter | Stevie-O, hummm... is this some sort of "chicken or the egg" thingy? |
| 02:43.36 | asg | Stevie-O: no, flat. One Debian sarge host + 16 Debian UML virtuals |
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| 02:43.57 | asg | abrotman: didn't mwilson coin the term 'fucktard'? |
| 02:44.06 | Stevie-O | I prefer 'fuckwit' |
| 02:44.11 | asg | Stevie-O: easy enough to do. |
| 02:44.18 | abrotman | asg: if he did .. he gets a prize |
| 02:44.23 | Stevie-O | asg: First I have a RAID5 configuration to initialize |
| 02:44.25 | asg | Stevie-O: there is a howto at debian-administration.org |
| 02:44.30 | dadexter | watch it... start using it too much, and someone will patent fucktard and try to sell licenses |
| 02:44.46 | Stevie-O | hold on, dadexter |
| 02:44.50 | Ronin | dadexter: good idea, wonder if i can get rich on it and retire |
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| 02:44.58 | asg | abrotman: yeah, I'm pretty sure it was him. |
| 02:45.02 | Stevie-O | 02/28/2006 21:45:01 |
| 02:45.10 | dadexter | personally I can't patent stupid ideas, as I don't live in the US :P |
| 02:45.18 | gravity | I'd seen fucktard well before mwilson said it |
| 02:45.26 | asg | gravity: in #debian though? |
| 02:45.34 | Ronin | no law says us canadians cant do it dadexter |
| 02:45.38 | gravity | Yeah |
| 02:45.45 | asg | gravity: ah, okay. |
| 02:45.50 | gravity | Well, I saw it outside of #debian years ago |
| 02:45.53 | dadexter | Ronin, true, but then we get sued by american companies who wanted to patent it first :P |
| 02:45.59 | gravity | mwilson invented other choice terms |
| 02:46.00 | nate_ | lol, maint-guide package is one of the howtos i used to make that package |
| 02:46.01 | nate_ | lol |
| 02:46.01 | Ronin | heh |
| 02:46.15 | curt | http://www.usfbullshit.com/gallery/ViewImage.aspx?User=Okrbot23&Image=10981 |
| 02:46.17 | dadexter | anyway, I prefer fucknut to fucktard |
| 02:46.23 | asg | gravity: 'the morons and the stupids' |
| 02:46.33 | curt | fucktard award ^^ |
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| 02:46.41 | nate_ | keepin up with the stupids |
| 02:46.49 | nate_ | instead of the joneses |
| 02:46.52 | nate_ | .... |
| 02:46.54 | nate_ | i'm a nerd |
| 02:46.58 | dadexter | yes |
| 02:47.24 | nate_ | << >> << see's the conversation just dropped off into oblivion at my stupidity |
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| 02:48.15 | Stevie-O | yes! |
| 02:48.39 | Stevie-O | I think I managed to get through the haze in my brain enough to setup a raid device |
| 02:48.48 | Stevie-O | md: using 128k window, over a total of 117220736 blocks. |
| 02:49.03 | Stevie-O | 1blk=1KB, right? |
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| 02:49.18 | obscuresoul | hi |
| 02:49.23 | Stevie-O | hi obscuresoul |
| 02:49.32 | Stevie-O | you look like you need some help |
| 02:49.49 | obscuresoul | you're right |
| 02:49.50 | Stevie-O | what seems to be the trouble |
| 02:49.50 | obscuresoul | :P |
| 02:50.08 | dadexter | better not be about ubuntu |
| 02:50.17 | Stevie-O | or knoppix |
| 02:50.20 | obscuresoul | course not |
| 02:50.24 | Stevie-O | excellent news. |
| 02:50.46 | dadexter | indeed |
| 02:51.06 | dadexter | so... what's the trouble? |
| 02:51.08 | Stevie-O | raid5: raid level 5 set md0 active with 2 out of 3 devices, algorithm 2 |
| 02:51.10 | Stevie-O | hrm |
| 02:51.15 | Stevie-O | shouldn't that be 3 out of 3 devices? |
| 02:51.20 | obscuresoul | what's the difference among the package bind9-host and the package host? |
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| 02:51.59 | Stevie-O | different versions of the same program |
| 02:52.10 | dadexter | obscuresoul, apt-cache show bind9-host |
| 02:52.11 | Stevie-O | or let me rephrase |
| 02:52.15 | dadexter | it says it |
| 02:52.18 | Stevie-O | different programs with the same name, and similar purpose |
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| 02:53.26 | Stevie-O | erm |
| 02:53.53 | Stevie-O | am I to understand that mdadm is doing the parity sync on my dataless drives? |
| 02:54.05 | obscuresoul | thank you Stevie-O :) |
| 02:54.10 | obscuresoul | thank you too dadexter :) |
| 02:54.23 | Stevie-O | obscuresoul: Anyway, since they mostly do the same thing, you can choose either one, unless you have weird shell scripts that are dependent upon one version or the other |
| 02:55.06 | beardy | shell scripts can be edited though, or symlinks added |
| 02:55.21 | dadexter | and wrapper scripts can be written.... |
| 02:55.23 | unstable | What is a good display manager like gdm or kdm(but not either of these because they are bloated dog shit). I want something where I can change which window manger loads((I don't use gome or kde), and I want it to be fast and low on resources. |
| 02:55.32 | dadexter | so many possibilities, not sure my brain can handle it! |
| 02:55.40 | gravity | unstable: wdm is about the only other option |
| 02:55.50 | unstable | thanks gravity |
| 02:55.51 | gravity | unstable: If you don't like those I recommend you start coding |
| 02:55.59 | tam | is there a way to get apache2 to see /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin ? i can't get it to see it...anyone got a suggetion on this? |
| 02:56.10 | unstable | gravity: also see slim.berlios.de that is a very good option also imho |
| 02:56.14 | Stevie-O | what do you mean 'see'? |
| 02:56.19 | gravity | unstable: I don't know that one |
| 02:56.51 | unstable | gravity: But I made an rfp for it months ago...and the guy who itp'd it is very slow...even though I have access to deb and deb-src....hard to get something into unstable/testing I guess. |
| 02:57.02 | tam | Stevie-O: sorry, it appears that apache is not seeing my mailman cgi-bin... |
| 02:57.12 | gravity | unstable: If he's not a DD it can be |
| 02:57.34 | unstable | deadcat: You here? what is the slim link for debs? |
| 02:57.56 | tam | tenmon: ScriptAlias <-- would i just use a scriptalias and point it to it? |
| 02:58.03 | tam | Stevie-O: ^ |
| 02:58.35 | Stevie-O | tam: apache has no eyes |
| 02:58.51 | Stevie-O | tam: please describe in slightly more computerish terms |
| 02:59.02 | tenmon | tam: what? |
| 03:02.06 | |splat|dsl | ok, i get an error when i 'modprobe acx_pci', it tells me that my module is ...gcc-3.3 and it should be ...gcc3.4 |
| 03:02.26 | |splat|dsl | is that a problem with the .deb, or does that just mean i need to recompile my kernel? |
| 03:02.47 | abrotman | uname -a ; gcc -version |
| 03:02.55 | obscuresoul | debsums is a utility to perform md5 checksums, only? |
| 03:03.04 | obscuresoul | s/a/an/ |
| 03:03.59 | |splat|dsl | abrotman: gcc 3.3.5 |
| 03:04.34 | abrotman | uname -a ? |
| 03:05.18 | AciD | do you remember the name of the package which upload your package list to a debian server for making statistics about which package are the most famous ? |
| 03:05.23 | LSorensen | Stevie-O: well I have seen 24 3.5" in a 5U using just the front, so at say 3" per drive, a 19" case should take 6 across, and 12mm height you can get 2 per inch, so say about 6 high. maybe 36 drives if only doing the front of the case |
| 03:05.35 | jetscreamer | !popcon |
| 03:05.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 03:05.35 | LSorensen | AciD: popularity contest or something like that |
| 03:05.58 | |splat|dsl | abrotman: 2.6.8-11-amd64 |
| 03:06.08 | abrotman | |splat|dsl: uname -a |
| 03:06.38 | |splat|dsl | abrotman: its another computer, not this one, you want me to type everything that it outputs? |
| 03:06.53 | AciD | LSorensen > indeed, it was http://pdo.debian.net/unstable/misc/popularity-contest, thx |
| 03:06.56 | abrotman | |splat|dsl: well .. there should be a gcc string there |
| 03:07.05 | |splat|dsl | i'll look again |
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| 03:10.57 | |splat|dsl | abrotman: is this what you mean - 'gcc 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)' |
| 03:11.14 | abrotman | yes |
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| 03:11.34 | abrotman | |splat|dsl: so your kernel and your gcc seem the same version |
| 03:11.52 | KurtKraut | I have this plugged in my PC (Bus 003 Device 008: ID 22b8:4902 Motorola PCS E398 GSM Phone) - how can I know what port it is connected (such as /dev/something) |
| 03:11.55 | KurtKraut | ? |
| 03:11.58 | jetscreamer | (aka seems like your kernel was compiled with that version of gcc) |
| 03:12.19 | |splat|dsl | this is the exact output from modprobe acx_pci - |
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| 03:13.05 | |splat|dsl | acx_pci: version magic '2.6.8-11-amd64-generic gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.8-11-amd64-generic gcc-3.4' |
| 03:14.22 | |splat|dsl | does that mean the .deb was compiled with a different version of gcc? |
| 03:14.28 | abrotman | |splat|dsl: are you running pure64? |
| 03:14.43 | |splat|dsl | running sarge-amd64 unofficial |
| 03:15.20 | efaistos | did someone install a Debian on an IBM RS6000 ? |
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| 03:16.01 | Daedalus_ | !beer gravity |
| 03:16.06 | chealer | !water gravity |
| 03:16.11 | kameron | i'm having a problem playing matroska video files, .mkv, the sound is garbled, but the video is good in mplayer, vlc doesn't do anything. anyone successfully play these files, is there a trick? |
| 03:16.25 | Daedalus_ | try totem? |
| 03:16.28 | kameron | sure. |
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| 03:19.50 | abrotman | gravity: give me that! |
| 03:20.02 | abrotman | |splat|dsl: you might want to ask #debian-amd64 |
| 03:20.16 | |splat|dsl | no one is active in there |
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| 03:20.22 | gravity | Somehow I have to port patches to Imakefiles to autotools while drinking |
| 03:20.25 | |splat|dsl | i'm trying #acx100 also |
| 03:20.43 | abrotman | gravity: drink more? |
| 03:20.57 | gravity | abrotman: That's the idea |
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| 03:21.31 | abrotman | gravity: my prof at Uni swore by the "Sit down with a problem in your code and a 6-pack .. and pray the problem is gone before the 6-pack" |
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| 03:21.48 | gravity | hahahaha |
| 03:21.50 | abrotman | he's now a moderator from comp.lang.C++.moderated |
| 03:21.54 | Stevie-O | erm |
| 03:21.57 | Stevie-O | bloody hell |
| 03:22.18 | gravity | No wonder. C++ would drive me to drink too. |
| 03:22.24 | Stevie-O | Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000005 |
| 03:22.32 | gravity | Fortunately I haven't had to write any since I turned 21 and had ready access to booze |
| 03:22.44 | Stevie-O | c01d7feb |
| 03:22.56 | Stevie-O | it's not ksymoops anymore, what's the tool |
| 03:22.57 | abrotman | gravity: he had a copy of the standard on his desk at Uni .. he really really knew his stuff |
| 03:23.07 | unix_infidel | for some reason i cant seem to find mplayer in standard repos? |
| 03:23.08 | gravity | I imagine |
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| 03:23.21 | unix_infidel | is this just for legal reasons, what repos do i need to add to sources.list to get mplayer? |
| 03:23.31 | abrotman | !tell unix_infidel about mplayer |
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| 03:23.37 | Stevie-O | EIP is at blk_rq_map_sg+0x5d/0x124 |
| 03:24.11 | unix_infidel | abrotman: ahh. ok. |
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| 03:24.29 | xfrye | !tell xfrye about mplayer |
| 03:24.51 | KB0PQP | ? |
| 03:24.52 | chealer | !tell xfrye about selftell |
| 03:25.13 | xfrye | thanks |
| 03:25.27 | concept10 | LOAD "$",8,1 |
| 03:25.47 | Stevie-O | what? |
| 03:25.49 | abrotman | commodore64 freak! |
| 03:26.05 | Stevie-O | which version of Linux is that, concept10? ;-) |
| 03:26.12 | abrotman | Stevie-O: commodore 64 |
| 03:26.25 | concept10 | I was just messing around |
| 03:26.33 | Stevie-O | the 'commodore64 freak' line kinda gave that away, abrotman |
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| 03:27.03 | Stevie-O | /me reboots because <6>note: kblockd/0[34] exited with preempt_count 1 |
| 03:27.06 | digijohn | Hi, I seem to have broken X... |
| 03:27.11 | Stevie-O | wait |
| 03:27.16 | Stevie-O | digijohn: so it's YOUR fault? |
| 03:27.18 | digijohn | Upon rebooting, it wouldn't load |
| 03:27.24 | digijohn | Stevie-O: Guess so |
| 03:27.25 | Stevie-O | and this whole time I thought it was my fault |
| 03:27.26 | tengulre | who is a SOHO user? |
| 03:27.45 | Stevie-O | digijohn: There are some logfiles it makes and I can't remember which ones hold the error |
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| 03:27.57 | gravity | I think broken X tends to be my fault |
| 03:28.01 | digijohn | I tried recompiling the nvidia driver just for the heck of it, and it said that I was already running an X server, even though I didn't |
| 03:28.03 | abrotman | tends to be? |
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| 03:28.19 | gravity | abrotman: Well, I don't do the nvidia or fglrx stuff |
| 03:28.28 | gravity | Which somehow seems to break more installations than I've done |
| 03:28.31 | abrotman | gravity: i blame the gov't for that! |
| 03:28.59 | digijohn | I'm just wondering why it thinks I'm already running an X server, when I'm not |
| 03:29.05 | digijohn | ps ax shows that I'm not |
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| 03:30.14 | Stevie-O | maybe there's a lockfile somewhere |
| 03:30.18 | chealer | digijohn: you tried using what? |
| 03:30.54 | digijohn | Stevie-O: Ideas as to where? |
| 03:30.58 | Stevie-O | what kernel is everybody running? |
| 03:30.58 | digijohn | chealer: huh? |
| 03:31.06 | Stevie-O | digitrace: are you running startx? |
| 03:31.08 | digijohn | 2.6.12-1 |
| 03:31.13 | chealer | digijohn: say, which command? |
| 03:31.15 | digijohn | Stevie-0: Yes |
| 03:31.24 | digijohn | chealer: startx. And xdm. And Xorg. |
| 03:31.39 | chealer | Stevie-O: we're all running NT 4.0 |
| 03:31.49 | Stevie-O | good lord |
| 03:31.52 | digijohn | Xorg says something about not being able to open a socket for inet6 |
| 03:31.54 | Stevie-O | strace -ff startx |
| 03:32.06 | Stevie-O | figure out what it says before it bails |
| 03:32.13 | gravity | digijohn: Can you post your Xorg logfile in a paster please? |
| 03:32.14 | chealer | digijohn: startx isn't a command that will compile NVIDIA's 3D drivers |
| 03:32.44 | gravity | As much as I don't want to support those drivers, I'm interested in that error |
| 03:32.44 | digijohn | chealer: Oh, sorry. I'm running the NVIDIA binary drivers compiler |
| 03:32.53 | digijohn | version 8178 |
| 03:32.56 | chealer | digijohn: nvidia-installer? |
| 03:33.05 | Stevie-O | ah, here we go |
| 03:33.15 | Stevie-O | kernel-image-2.6-686 installs 2.6.15 |
| 03:33.20 | digijohn | chealer: NVIDIA-linux-x86-<blah> |
| 03:33.22 | Stevie-O | err wait |
| 03:33.29 | Stevie-O | what does 'this package is for transition only' mean? |
| 03:33.30 | chealer | !tell digijohn about nvidia-installer |
| 03:33.58 | chealer | Stevie-O: it means the package's contents is useless, only the dependency relations are useful |
| 03:34.08 | digijohn | Sorry, chealer, I can't seem to get pm's, so you should maybe just say it. |
| 03:34.17 | chealer | !nvidia-installer |
| 03:34.17 | dpkg | methinks nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 03:34.21 | Stevie-O | :( |
| 03:34.43 | digijohn | chealer: The installer has worked well enough for me. |
| 03:34.55 | curt | until now... |
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| 03:35.19 | chealer | digijohn: well, as you want, it's just not supported here. ask #nvidia |
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| 03:35.31 | digijohn | gravity: I'm not really in a position to copy/paste well--I'm at the terminal |
| 03:35.39 | gravity | ok |
| 03:35.44 | abrotman | digijohn: try sitting up |
| 03:35.51 | curt | hehe |
| 03:35.55 | abrotman | curt: nice hostmask :) |
| 03:35.56 | Stevie-O | errr |
| 03:36.01 | Stevie-O | it's been a while |
| 03:36.10 | Stevie-O | do we no longer have seperate kernel-image and kernel-modules packages? |
| 03:36.11 | curt | abrotman, lilo set it up :) |
| 03:36.20 | abrotman | curt: very nice of him |
| 03:36.32 | chealer | Stevie-O: kernel-modules? like what, pcmcia? |
| 03:36.48 | Stevie-O | I have one of those |
| 03:36.56 | chealer | Stevie-O: which one? |
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| 03:37.42 | Stevie-O | did that show up? |
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| 03:37.49 | coywolf | how to know what process binded to some ports? |
| 03:37.49 | abrotman | duh |
| 03:37.53 | abrotman | fuser |
| 03:37.55 | abrotman | lsof |
| 03:38.00 | Stevie-O | netstat -anp |
| 03:38.08 | |splat|dsl | anyone ever get a gcc mismatch error on a module install? |
| 03:38.23 | abrotman | Stevie-O: that shows process IDs ? |
| 03:38.59 | chealer | !tell coywolf about open ports |
| 03:39.37 | Stevie-O | abrotman: -p |
| 03:39.50 | Stevie-O | does, as root |
| 03:39.52 | chealer | |splat|dsl: probably. what kind of install? |
| 03:40.22 | abrotman | Stevie-O: i learned fuser first .. works for me :) |
| 03:40.44 | Stevie-O | wish me luck everyone |
| 03:40.56 | abrotman | !bless Stevie-O |
| 03:40.56 | Stevie-O | I am about to attempt to go from 2.6.8 to 2.6.15 |
| 03:40.56 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child Stevie-O, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 03:41.03 | Stevie-O | thank you :) |
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| 03:41.11 | abrotman | it's the udev that's the problem |
| 03:41.21 | Stevie-O | erm |
| 03:41.25 | Stevie-O | will it be? |
| 03:41.55 | abrotman | pray not |
| 03:41.55 | Stevie-O | man |
| 03:42.00 | Stevie-O | one of these days I'm going to learn to screen *everything* |
| 03:42.08 | Stevie-O | isn't there some way to use screen as your login shell |
| 03:42.13 | Stevie-O | auto -x |
| 03:42.26 | digijohn | argh |
| 03:42.42 | digijohn | See if this does anything... can't see how, but who knows |
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| 03:43.42 | Stevie-O | fingers crossed everyone! |
| 03:44.01 | Stevie-O | The system is going down for reboot NOW! |
| 03:44.01 | Stevie-O | stevie@pieria:~$ |
| 03:45.03 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:45.04 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:45.16 | kspath | !moof |
| 03:46.27 | chealer | kspath: you want !abrotmoo |
| 03:46.32 | Stevie-O | erm |
| 03:46.33 | Stevie-O | blah |
| 03:46.43 | Stevie-O | i must have misunderstood the mdadm instructions |
| 03:46.50 | Stevie-O | since it thinks i am missing a drive |
| 03:47.05 | kspath | !abrotmoo |
| 03:47.05 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 03:47.19 | abrotman | !factinfo abrotmoo |
| 03:47.20 | dpkg | abrotmoo -- created by cheal <i=chealer@pdpc/supporter/student/chealer> at Tue Dec 20 03:26:16 2005 (71 days). |
| 03:47.50 | abrotman | chealer: i'd never seen that |
| 03:48.04 | abrotman | chealer: and i DO NOT weigh twice as much as the mooon |
| 03:48.05 | kspath | stealth factoid |
| 03:48.21 | kspath | abrotman: did it say WHICH moon? |
| 03:48.32 | abrotman | maybe chealer should have peterS help him fix that factoid :) |
| 03:48.40 | Mrono | anyone here who ca help me? |
| 03:48.43 | chealer | abrotman: kspath is right. besides, you'd have to show a picture |
| 03:48.56 | abrotman | chealer: umbrella hat picture? |
| 03:48.56 | Mrono | I installed debian on a computer and it's on 800x600 |
| 03:49.04 | abrotman | peterS: you've been awful quiet lately |
| 03:49.07 | Mrono | this is an old computer |
| 03:49.07 | kspath | Mrono: Sure, move to Michigan or Minnesota. |
| 03:49.17 | chealer | abrotman: I don't know what you mean |
| 03:49.20 | peterS | abrotman: *nod*. I am still around, I just don't always watch #debian |
| 03:49.31 | abrotman | peterS: no kidding .. we're not interesting enough anymore? |
| 03:49.44 | Mrono | the xconf says 1024x768 but the screen resize and config says 640x480 and 800x600 |
| 03:49.48 | Mrono | no 1024x768 |
| 03:49.57 | chealer | abrotman: what's wrong with that factoid? |
| 03:50.13 | peterS | abrotman: well, y'know, now that Guerin's gone.. |
| 03:50.30 | kspath | Guerin is gone gone? |
| 03:50.31 | Daveman | Hi PeterS! |
| 03:50.34 | chealer | Guerin's gone? what happened? |
| 03:50.42 | Mrono | anyone? |
| 03:50.58 | abrotman | chealer: it would take all the fun out if i told you |
| 03:51.05 | peterS | abrotman: seriously, I do still sit in here sometimes but it seems not at the same times you do, somehow |
| 03:51.09 | abrotman | peterS: you have noone to argue with ? |
| 03:51.41 | abrotman | peterS: because i sleep :) |
| 03:51.53 | peterS | you shouldn't do that |
| 03:51.59 | peterS | are you going to mexico this summer? |
| 03:52.06 | abrotman | peterS: i really haven't seen you in a week or more |
| 03:52.08 | gravity | peterS: Are you going? |
| 03:52.10 | abrotman | peterS: undecided still |
| 03:52.18 | abrotman | peterS: i'll go if gravity goes! |
| 03:52.22 | gravity | feh |
| 03:52.26 | gravity | We already know I'm not going |
| 03:52.29 | peterS | gravity: depends. if they've got so terribly much money that they can give me $300 or so, I'll go. if they can't, I won't. |
| 03:53.02 | gravity | peterS: Next year apply for a talk! |
| 03:53.06 | peterS | nobody's told me either way, and it's been a month since they said they'd start to decide these things, so I figure it doesn't look good |
| 03:53.17 | Mrono | grrr, this 800x600 is impossible to work in |
| 03:53.18 | gravity | You actually applied for funding? |
| 03:53.22 | abrotman | Mrono: change it |
| 03:53.31 | peterS | gravity: I've got nothing to talk about that most developers don't already know. been trying to think of a topic for the past two or three years (: |
| 03:53.33 | liable | Mrono: your xfree says 1024x768? |
| 03:53.35 | Mrono | as I JUST described |
| 03:53.37 | Mrono | I can't |
| 03:53.40 | gravity | heh |
| 03:53.44 | Mrono | yes it does |
| 03:53.49 | Mrono | every last entry |
| 03:53.51 | peterS | gravity: yeah, I forget how much I asked for but it was like $250, half what it'll cost me |
| 03:53.54 | gravity | peterS: I've got a topic for myself for this year, although for next year it may be totally different |
| 03:53.54 | abrotman | peterS: do a talk about the society of #debian :) |
| 03:54.03 | abrotman | peterS: that's something barely any DDs know about :) |
| 03:54.04 | gravity | Mrono: Can you post your X logfile? |
| 03:54.08 | Mrono | yeah |
| 03:54.13 | peterS | abrotman: nobody would care, unfortunately. anyway, that's why you are going, right? |
| 03:54.17 | liable | Mrono: read the log and see if it says anything about that resolution with an error. |
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| 03:54.29 | abrotman | peterS: i think they'd kill me |
| 03:54.29 | Daveman | :\ |
| 03:54.32 | kspath | Mrono: I ususally delete all but the highest and/or second highest res and 24 bit. |
| 03:54.38 | Mrono | the resolution doesn't show up in the places to chance it |
| 03:54.38 | abrotman | peterS: they might even pay someone to kidnap me :) |
| 03:54.38 | peterS | abrotman: nobody's gonna kill you |
| 03:54.47 | gravity | abrotman: DD's are generally friendly |
| 03:54.57 | abrotman | gravity: it's all a ploy! |
| 03:54.59 | gravity | Even the assholes tend to be friendly in real life |
| 03:55.09 | peterS | gravity: especially if you factor in the fact that the most notorious ones don't go to conferences? |
| 03:55.16 | kspath | Mrono: not recommending that for you just and idea after you get it where you want it. Then make a copy of that config somewhere safe so it is easy to put back no matter what. |
| 03:55.24 | gravity | peterS: Not true! Several of the most notorious went to DC5! |
| 03:55.27 | unix_infidel | dpkg: alsa |
| 03:55.27 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 03:55.31 | gravity | I can /msg you a list if you like :-) |
| 03:55.32 | Daveman | heh |
| 03:55.33 | chealer | gravity: hahaha |
| 03:55.40 | peterS | heh, sure |
| 03:55.43 | Daveman | abduction, eh? |
| 03:55.44 | unix_infidel | think i'm getting used to this stuff :) |
| 03:56.09 | Stevie-O | shhh unix_infidel |
| 03:56.14 | Stevie-O | every time someone says that |
| 03:56.21 | Daveman | :P |
| 03:56.23 | Stevie-O | they switch to a new Toy Story character |
| 03:56.26 | Stevie-O | and change everything |
| 03:56.48 | unix_infidel | lol, it took me a good two hours though. |
| 03:56.49 | abrotman | peterS: if you go .. do i have to go? |
| 03:57.01 | kspath | yes |
| 03:57.02 | peterS | abrotman: yes |
| 03:57.03 | abrotman | and do i have to take the umbrella hat? |
| 03:57.07 | kspath | yes |
| 03:57.08 | Stevie-O | haha |
| 03:57.15 | peterS | of course you have to take the umbrella hat |
| 03:57.19 | abrotman | god .. we could make that the DPL crown :) |
| 03:57.29 | Daveman | haha |
| 03:57.39 | Daveman | you should be honored to wear it, no? :P |
| 03:57.51 | abrotman | Daveman: it was sent to me .. there is a picture of me wearing it |
| 03:58.08 | gravity | I like the wedding photo better |
| 03:58.14 | abrotman | gravity: IT WAS CAKE! |
| 03:58.15 | gravity | damog is very good at embarassing you |
| 03:58.30 | abrotman | i gave him the umbrella hat picture |
| 03:58.38 | abrotman | the cakebutt picture is old .. |
| 03:58.49 | gravity | heh, cakebutt |
| 03:59.01 | _nicolas | hmm i'm hungry |
| 03:59.04 | abrotman | gravity: the bot in -ot knows about cakebutt |
| 03:59.06 | gravity | "YO! YOUR BOOTY GOT CAKE ALL UP IN THAT SHIZNIT!" |
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| 03:59.19 | gravity | man... one beer... |
| 03:59.23 | gravity | Of course... imake |
| 03:59.25 | gravity | I blame imake |
| 03:59.45 | _nicolas | you could blame canada ;) |
| 03:59.56 | abrotman | !blame imake |
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| 04:00.29 | abrotman | gravity: what happens at three? .. face meet floor? |
| 04:00.37 | gravity | abrotman: I'm not that much of a lightweight |
| 04:00.40 | gravity | Although close |
| 04:00.42 | AnonymousHive | Do you have to do anything else after apt-get source -b (package) to install the compiled source? |
| 04:00.53 | abrotman | !source |
| 04:00.53 | dpkg | i heard source is To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space and run the following: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot && apt-get source <packagename> && apt-get build-dep <packagename>. Then cd into source directory and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot to build debs from source. |
| 04:01.16 | abrotman | gravity: some day .. |
| 04:01.28 | abrotman | gravity: wait .. does this mean i have to be gentle with you if we ever go out for beers? |
| 04:01.37 | gravity | hahahaha |
| 04:01.41 | gravity | mako already did me in man |
| 04:01.55 | abrotman | gravity: did you know i like mezcal .. ? :) |
| 04:02.02 | gravity | ha! |
| 04:02.06 | gravity | I like it too, but in small amounts. |
| 04:02.10 | gravity | Way better than tequila |
| 04:02.12 | abrotman | gravity: i'll fight you for the worm! |
| 04:02.14 | gravity | I like my whiskey though |
| 04:02.29 | abrotman | i'll let you win eventually .. but it's always entertaining to watch people fight over a worm |
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| 04:02.43 | gravity | I've never had the worm... and don't plan to any time soon |
| 04:02.47 | gravity | Although I'm sure I should before I die |
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| 04:03.02 | abrotman | i could only do it half drunk |
| 04:03.09 | abrotman | too much to either side .. i couldn't do it |
| 04:03.17 | Mrono | getting there |
| 04:03.21 | Mrono | setting up my hares too |
| 04:03.24 | Mrono | shares* |
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| 04:04.11 | Mrono | http://pastebin.com/577873 |
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| 04:05.09 | gravity | Mrono: We need the logfile... |
| 04:05.13 | gravity | Not the conffile |
| 04:05.28 | Mrono | oh |
| 04:05.30 | Mrono | ok |
| 04:05.32 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:05.34 | Mrono | where can I find that |
| 04:05.35 | Mrono | ok |
| 04:05.54 | nvz | abrotman: could you do it half sober? |
| 04:06.03 | abrotman | nvz: not sure |
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| 04:07.13 | Stevie-O | where did everyone go? |
| 04:07.22 | abrotman | !moo |
| 04:07.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 04:07.31 | Stevie-O | heh |
| 04:07.36 | _nicolas | haha |
| 04:07.46 | Stevie-O | Good news, everybody |
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| 04:08.05 | Stevie-O | the md driver is 25% complete at rebuilding my blank raid5 array |
| 04:08.14 | Mrono | log fine is empty |
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| 04:08.20 | Mrono | log file is empty* |
| 04:08.25 | hellop | ls |
| 04:08.28 | abrotman | Mrono: is this xorg or xfree? |
| 04:08.30 | Stevie-O | I'm glad to know that my blank data is error-free |
| 04:08.38 | hellop | Anyone know what package contains startx? |
| 04:08.40 | Mrono | xfree |
| 04:08.45 | gravity | hellop: xbase-clients |
| 04:08.46 | abrotman | Mrono: sorry |
| 04:08.51 | andrownz | I'm getting crazy ! concerning ssh and pubkey, trying to connect to X, user me@X works, user you@X doesn't work .. they have the same file in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 with same permission ... what's wrong? |
| 04:08.57 | abrotman | /var/log/Xfree86.0.log .. or something like that |
| 04:08.59 | hellop | apt-get install xserver-xfree86 I thought did it, but apparently not. |
| 04:09.12 | Stevie-O | andrownz: ssh -v |
| 04:09.17 | Stevie-O | or ssh -vvv |
| 04:09.40 | Stevie-O | If that doesn't help, you can kill the main ssh and do sshd -d on the server |
| 04:09.51 | Stevie-O | that'll run the server in debug mode |
| 04:10.09 | Stevie-O | sshd -ddd will be more explicit than you ever could hope it to be |
| 04:10.50 | andrownz | Stevie-O, when I say "doesn't work" I mean pub key auth doesn't work, it asks for *password* instead |
| 04:11.01 | kspath | nite |
| 04:11.05 | Stevie-O | andrownz: Then I'd try ssh -vvv you@X |
| 04:11.34 | hellop | gravity, thanks that was it |
| 04:11.47 | gravity | That it was |
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| 04:12.14 | Mrono | http://pastebin.com/577880 |
| 04:12.52 | Stevie-O | andrownz: are you trying that? |
| 04:13.26 | andrownz | yes I am |
| 04:13.41 | andrownz | it looks like it tries any auth method, and they fail so it falls back on password |
| 04:14.00 | andrownz | look at http://pastebin.com/577881 |
| 04:14.01 | Stevie-O | so it's asking the server for a pubkey authorization? |
| 04:14.19 | Mrono | hmm |
| 04:14.25 | Mrono | insuficent memory |
| 04:14.29 | Mrono | damn thing |
| 04:14.31 | Stevie-O | gssapi-with-mic |
| 04:14.35 | Mrono | windows runs just fine |
| 04:14.36 | Stevie-O | "please speak your password" |
| 04:14.47 | liable | Mrono: did you manually put a memory size in? |
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| 04:15.04 | dude | f |
| 04:15.07 | dude | helo |
| 04:15.07 | Stevie-O | 250 Stevie-O |
| 04:15.27 | kspath | ehlo |
| 04:15.37 | Stevie-O | andrownz, it looks like the public key you're using isn't good? |
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| 04:15.53 | dude | is mwilson here? |
| 04:15.58 | gravity | dude: No |
| 04:16.00 | gravity | He's gone |
| 04:16.08 | andrownz | Stevie-O, I'm comparing that output with ssh -vvv me@X |
| 04:16.15 | Mrono | liable: nono I didn't |
| 04:16.31 | dude | good. |
| 04:16.31 | Mrono | how do I figure out how much it has |
| 04:16.40 | gravity | heh |
| 04:16.45 | kspath | dude: rtfm |
| 04:16.53 | kspath | feel better? |
| 04:16.53 | andrownz | Stevie-O, refresh please, I modified |
| 04:16.58 | dude | kspath: link please |
| 04:17.03 | gravity | kspath: That's not right. He'd lambast you for not knowing that there was a manual to read |
| 04:17.13 | Stevie-O | what did you modify it to? |
| 04:17.18 | Stevie-O | it looks the same |
| 04:17.24 | gravity | rtfm that I'm not going to tell you the location of. You idiot. |
| 04:17.38 | andrownz | Stevie-O, look below .. |
| 04:18.10 | Stevie-O | look below what? |
| 04:18.12 | dude | gravity: i see you took mwilson place,no? |
| 04:18.16 | gravity | heh |
| 04:18.27 | liable | Mrono: try a lower bit depth. |
| 04:18.27 | andrownz | Stevie-O, http://pastebin.com/577887 |
| 04:18.44 | dvm1981_ | Mrono: Config it with 16 depth of color or so?? |
| 04:18.45 | dude | whoops. nenver mind |
| 04:18.48 | Stevie-O | you told me to refresh; that's not the same as the one you gave me first ;-) |
| 04:18.53 | Mrono | hmm |
| 04:18.56 | Mrono | mabye |
| 04:19.03 | dvm1981_ | hehe, i was to late :-( |
| 04:19.05 | Stevie-O | (first was 577881) |
| 04:19.14 | Mrono | what's 8mb in KB |
| 04:19.29 | Stevie-O | hey andrownz |
| 04:19.31 | andrownz | Stevie-O, ho sorry |
| 04:19.33 | Mrono | it's not just straight 8000000 |
| 04:19.34 | liable | Mrono: from the log, looks like yours is 2m |
| 04:19.40 | liable | b |
| 04:19.42 | Stevie-O | what are the owner/group and permissions on the authorized_keys files? |
| 04:19.44 | Mrono | oh rightr |
| 04:19.57 | Mrono | so it's 2048 |
| 04:20.01 | Mrono | right? |
| 04:20.09 | liable | yeah |
| 04:20.22 | liable | 700 iirc |
| 04:20.32 | dvm1981_ | 8388608 |
| 04:20.38 | andrownz | Stevie-O, respectively the owner/group I'm trying to connect with, with 644 |
| 04:20.42 | dvm1981_ | 8*1024*1024?? |
| 04:20.52 | dvm1981_ | Mrono: ^^?? |
| 04:21.04 | Stevie-O | andrownz: the user you're trying to connect *with* or connect *as*? |
| 04:21.05 | Mrono | eh? |
| 04:21.06 | andrownz | Stevie-O, and a diff between the two files doesn't return anything |
| 04:21.18 | andrownz | Stevie-O, *as*, sorry |
| 04:21.40 | curt | dvm1981, that's bytes not kilobytes |
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| 04:22.04 | andrownz | Stevie-O, X:X for /home/X/.ssh/authorized_keys2 and Y:Y for ...., 644 both |
| 04:22.09 | dvm1981_ | curt: A yes, but he need that value not? |
| 04:22.21 | Stevie-O | andrownz: Unless your /home is on an NFS mount, those files should be 600 |
| 04:22.28 | dvm1981_ | curt: Or must it in kilobytes? |
| 04:22.38 | curt | dvm1981, i dunno |
| 04:22.59 | zethreth | Anyone have experience setting up a proxy server. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to use the "lo" output that I recieve from the ifconfig command for the INTIF="lo" field like this. I have used eth0 for my EXTIF="eth0" |
| 04:23.00 | Stevie-O | andrownz: Do you have any control over the server you're logging into? |
| 04:23.22 | andrownz | Stevie-O, r00t control, I guess that's a yes :) |
| 04:23.34 | andrownz | Stevie-O, I may restart the server in verbose mode |
| 04:23.36 | Stevie-O | andrownz: kill the master sshd and do this: sshd -ddd |
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| 04:25.19 | Stevie-O | (make sure you don't logout until you restart it normally, unless you have physical access :) |
| 04:26.59 | andrownz | Stevie-O, wait, I'm remote atm, killing sshd will disconnect me, and /etc/init.d/sshd restart won't take -ddd argument .. |
| 04:28.05 | Stevie-O | andrownz: you need to kill the *master* sshd, the one that's listening on 22 |
| 04:28.16 | Stevie-O | netstat -lnp | grep 22 |
| 04:28.41 | unstable | upgrading from sarge to etch, when I change my sources.list to show etch sources, then I try to install 2.6.15*-686, and then reboot and do dist-upgrade; when it tries to install 2.6.15*-686 it says it's going to remove e2fsprogs and gives me a warning. |
| 04:28.45 | andrownz | Stevie-O, you mean I'm connected through a child and that child as his PPID to init ? |
| 04:28.45 | unstable | Is this normal? |
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| 04:28.56 | andrownz | Stevie-O, s/as/has |
| 04:29.10 | Mrono | hmm |
| 04:29.13 | Stevie-O | err, what? |
| 04:29.16 | Mrono | I set it as 2048 |
| 04:29.19 | Mrono | still |
| 04:29.20 | Mrono | nothing |
| 04:29.25 | chealer | !tell unstable about e2fsprogs loop |
| 04:29.51 | Stevie-O | I understood what you were saying until you got to 'has his ppid to init' |
| 04:30.15 | liable | Mrono: no, no need to do that, did you try a lower bit depth? try 8 and disable the others. |
| 04:30.22 | Mrono | hmm |
| 04:30.38 | Mrono | yet it works just fine in wondows, imagine that |
| 04:30.42 | Mrono | windows* |
| 04:30.59 | Stevie-O | your X configuration works fine under windows? |
| 04:31.02 | Stevie-O | imagine that |
| 04:31.07 | Mrono | no |
| 04:31.19 | Mrono | this computer works just fine under windows |
| 04:31.19 | andrownz | Stevie-O, what I mean is that the sshd child process I'm connected through has his PPID to sshd master's PID, so killing sshd master's PID will kill the child(s), no? |
| 04:31.22 | Mrono | lol |
| 04:32.33 | Stevie-O | it shouldn't |
| 04:32.40 | dvm1981_ | Mrono: Remember you wath color deph he used? |
| 04:32.53 | andrownz | Stevie-O, s/has his PPID to sshd/has his PPID *set* to sshd/ |
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| 04:33.02 | andrownz | Stevie-O, maybe that's clearer (more clear?) |
| 04:33.19 | Mrono | huh? |
| 04:33.36 | Mrono | which color depth did I use in windows? |
| 04:33.39 | liable | bit depth.. change it. |
| 04:33.46 | dvm1981_ | Mrono: Also, try without specifying the amount of RAM. Is the value correct 2048? |
| 04:33.47 | Mrono | doing that...right now |
| 04:33.54 | Stevie-O | andrownz: killing the sshd that's listening on 22, on my machine, does not shut down my ssh session |
| 04:33.57 | Mrono | doesn't say |
| 04:34.23 | Stevie-O | if you're really paranoid, you could do an at batch that will restart sshd in 5 minutes |
| 04:34.25 | andrownz | Stevie-O, ok I'll move my ass if anything does to happen |
| 04:34.38 | andrownz | goes |
| 04:35.07 | Stevie-O | andrownz: I've done this delicate dance before (it's the only real way to upgrade sshd remotely!) |
| 04:35.22 | unstable | chealer: out of curiousity what would of happened if I opted to remove e2fsprogs? |
| 04:35.29 | dvm1981_ | Mrono: Use you and LCD monitor? |
| 04:35.35 | Mrono | laptop |
| 04:35.42 | dvm1981_ | yep |
| 04:35.47 | Stevie-O | unstable: Your system would probably be hosed |
| 04:35.47 | Mrono | it recognises it as an LCD supporting 1024x768 |
| 04:36.22 | Stevie-O | unless you were working to help out the testing team |
| 04:36.36 | Stevie-O | yay |
| 04:36.40 | unstable | Stevie-O: I'm using testing, not unstable. |
| 04:36.41 | Stevie-O | my blank space is 70% recovered |
| 04:36.46 | Stevie-O | oh |
| 04:36.53 | chealer | unstable: probably fun stuff, as e2fsprogs is required and your system most likely to use ext2 filesystems |
| 04:36.54 | andrownz | Stevie-O, yeah that's another great feature of openssh. Anyway, I've restarted using /usr/sbin/sshd -ddd, it doesn't give that much information about auth |
| 04:36.57 | unstable | Stevie-O: /lastlog unstable |
| 04:37.01 | Stevie-O | I still don't understand why people would actually want to use unstable :) |
| 04:37.34 | liable | Stevie-O: funnily etch has been as/more broken than sid in the last few months.. |
| 04:37.36 | Stevie-O | andrownz: well, try logging in |
| 04:37.38 | raf256 | Stevie-O: to have the newest software? |
| 04:37.39 | unstable | Stevie-O: because unstable is actually stable, and it has more bleeding edge software. |
| 04:38.00 | wakejagr | unstable: actually, I just removed e2fsprogs today after a failed dist-upgrade - I wasn't paying very close attention to what happened afterward, but every thing appars to be installed correctly now |
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| 04:38.10 | andrownz | Stevie-O, yeah that's what I'm talking about, logging in using me@X and you@X give the same 5 lines which don't have anything to do you auth method |
| 04:38.23 | Stevie-O | what does it give? |
| 04:38.37 | dvm1981_ | Mrono: I see in the log line 538, NEOMAGIC(0): 657152 bytes off-screen memory available |
| 04:38.54 | Mrono | hmm |
| 04:38.59 | liable | andrownz: err, the key is also in y's .ssh dir yes? |
| 04:39.38 | Stevie-O | I thought he was using the same user to login, just different remote users on X |
| 04:40.06 | dvm1981_ | "ImPS/2" use that "/dev/input/mice", little bit confused :-/ |
| 04:40.06 | Mrono | interestering |
| 04:40.13 | Mrono | looks like 16-bit works |
| 04:40.15 | Stevie-O | andrownz: I just tried it and I got WAY more than five lines of output |
| 04:40.23 | Mrono | it look slike it's in 1024x768 |
| 04:40.25 | Mrono | thanks guys |
| 04:40.41 | liable | Mrono: unusual, seeing as it was selected previously.. |
| 04:40.52 | Mrono | yep |
| 04:40.58 | Mrono | now to get samba working |
| 04:41.06 | Mrono | I can't log in to the file share |
| 04:41.34 | Stevie-O | I should setup a fdd raid |
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| 04:41.42 | andrownz | liable, diff /home/dev/.ssh/authorized_keys2 /home/charles/.ssh/authorized_keys2 doesn't output anything |
| 04:41.47 | dvm1981_ | Mrono: I can paste my config of it. |
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| 04:41.56 | Mrono | for... |
| 04:43.12 | Stevie-O | am I lagged? |
| 04:43.18 | dvm1981_ | Mrono: So you look a bit, and compare it with the you're |
| 04:43.41 | dvm1981_ | Mrono: I paste it not then? |
| 04:43.56 | Mrono | for the vid? |
| 04:44.04 | dvm1981_ | Mrono: Samba |
| 04:44.08 | Mrono | ah |
| 04:44.09 | Mrono | sure |
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| 04:44.38 | Mrono | omfg |
| 04:44.41 | Mrono | vnc is slow |
| 04:44.41 | andrownz | Stevie-O, dunno why I get so few lines ;. |
| 04:44.53 | Stevie-O | how are you running sshd -ddd ? |
| 04:45.07 | dvm1981_ | Mrono: http://pastebin.ca/44006 |
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| 04:45.22 | andrownz | Stevie-O, man says "The server sends verbose debug output to the system log" |
| 04:45.40 | Stevie-O | andrownz: please, just answer my question |
| 04:45.48 | andrownz | Stevie-O, I'm looking at the ouput on the same console as running sshd -ddd, not system log |
| 04:45.53 | andrownz | Stevie-O, yes, right as you said |
| 04:46.01 | liable | andrownz: yeah, but the users have the private key in their .ssh dir? |
| 04:46.07 | Stevie-O | it should have demanded that you do like /usr/bin/sshd or something |
| 04:46.32 | Stevie-O | did it not? |
| 04:46.33 | liable | on the client machine.. |
| 04:47.02 | andrownz | Stevie-O, I'm running /usr/sbin/sshd -ddd ... |
| 04:47.04 | Stevie-O | liable: http://pastebin.com/577887 |
| 04:47.13 | Stevie-O | andrownz: what does sshd -V say? |
| 04:47.56 | andrownz | Stevie-O, "sshd: illegal option -- V", I'm using OpenSSH_3.9p1 |
| 04:48.03 | Stevie-O | okay |
| 04:48.07 | Stevie-O | well I'm using 4.2p1 |
| 04:48.26 | andrownz | Stevie-O, lemme check if I can upgrade that, I was just given this machine yesterday |
| 04:48.32 | Stevie-O | ok |
| 04:49.12 | Stevie-O | my blank space 92% recovered! |
| 04:49.15 | liable | andrownz: ls -la on all .ssh dir |
| 04:49.22 | liable | paste it |
| 04:49.29 | Stevie-O | liable: you seem to be confused |
| 04:49.45 | Stevie-O | there is only one user involved |
| 04:49.51 | Stevie-O | on the client machine |
| 04:50.08 | wakejagr | is ndiswrapper not compiled yet for 2.6.15, or am I missing something? My testing install just finds 2.6.8 ndiswrapper modules in apt-cache search |
| 04:52.15 | Stevie-O | so get the source package and build it for 2.6.15 :) |
| 04:52.48 | Stevie-O | Rebuild Status: 98% complete |
| 04:53.08 | wakejagr | Stevie-O: yep, guess that's what's next . . . there goes my 5 min kernel upgrade |
| 04:53.20 | Stevie-O | well |
| 04:53.27 | Stevie-O | theres always the option of not using a crappy wireless nic vendor |
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| 04:55.11 | concept10 | where does the microphone device node hang out? |
| 04:55.32 | andrownz | Stevie-O, ok here's a nice mixed output : http://pastebin.com/577911 |
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| 04:55.54 | jetscreamer | there's also hey it came with the gift, hey it's all i got, hey it's not my fault... hey i'm broke and can't afford a new thing when the one i got should work... |
| 04:55.58 | wakejagr | Stevie-O: silly driver hacks are a darn good incentive to not buy crap cards - I need to remember that next time I buy hardware |
| 04:56.15 | Stevie-O | concept10: At the local coffee shop? |
| 04:56.30 | concept10 | Stevie-O, come on man |
| 04:56.36 | Stevie-O | sorry |
| 04:56.40 | jetscreamer | yeah get a better repetoire :) |
| 04:56.42 | Stevie-O | at the remote coffee shop? |
| 04:56.46 | jetscreamer | or however you spell that |
| 04:57.02 | Stevie-O | andrownz: but you have no sshd -ddd output in there |
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| 05:00.03 | andrownz | Stevie-O, it doesn't look interesting, but here it is : http://pastebin.com/577913 |
| 05:00.46 | andrownz | Stevie-O, "Address already in use", hadn't seen that, hold on |
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| 05:01.26 | Stevie-O | andrownz: that would indicate that you forgot to kill your main sshd |
| 05:01.32 | Stevie-O | i think /etc/init.d/ssh stop will work |
| 05:01.37 | Condector | hey, anyone knows the name of music that is played in the end of movie Revolution OS?? |
| 05:01.57 | Condector | free software fundation music? |
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| 05:02.35 | Condector | Stevie-O, invoke-rc.d ssh stop will work to |
| 05:03.29 | Stevie-O | nifty |
| 05:03.31 | LinuxNIT | hey guys when i try to play streaming video it constantly cuts out for a split second. streaming audio works fine. and its not the connection cause i tried it at school on a wired connection. any ideas? |
| 05:03.44 | Stevie-O | buffering's too short? |
| 05:04.04 | andrownz | Stevie-O, waow that's weird, just after /etc/init.d/sshd stop : http://pastebin.com/577919 |
| 05:04.38 | LinuxNIT | how much should i have it says 25 % |
| 05:04.38 | andrownz | Stevie-O, nm, that might me the connection I'm connected through |
| 05:04.51 | Condector | okay, about music, anyone remember? |
| 05:05.22 | Stevie-O | andrownz: '/etc/init.d/ssh stop' should work. |
| 05:05.42 | andrownz | Stevie-O, I did it |
| 05:05.45 | Stevie-O | okay |
| 05:05.54 | Stevie-O | then sshd -ddd should give something useful |
| 05:06.01 | andrownz | Stevie-O, take a look at that : http://pastebin.com/577923 |
| 05:06.28 | Stevie-O | well |
| 05:06.34 | Stevie-O | what does netstat -lnp say? |
| 05:07.39 | Stevie-O | we only care about whoever is listening on 22 |
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| 05:08.32 | andrownz | Stevie-O, http://pastebin.com/577925 |
| 05:08.42 | andrownz | Stevie-O, I'm just used to type "netstat -ntaupe" by default =) |
| 05:08.52 | hanasaki | si there a way to list alternatives |
| 05:08.58 | hanasaki | or jsut update-alternatives all |
| 05:09.24 | Stevie-O | ls /etc/alternatives |
| 05:09.42 | Stevie-O | weird |
| 05:09.46 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 05:09.52 | Stevie-O | and sshd says it can't bind to 22? |
| 05:10.01 | andrownz | Stevie-O, yeah, too weird |
| 05:10.15 | andrownz | Stevie-O, btw, do you know about "GSSAPIAuthentication" in sshd_config ? |
| 05:10.20 | Stevie-O | nope |
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| 05:11.02 | deadcat | is true and 1 in xorg.conf the same? |
| 05:11.50 | hanasaki | so if i wanna udpate a single alternative.. like for the web browser.. how do i figureout what ot enter on the cmd line? |
| 05:12.05 | liable | has there been an x or ooo upgrade in sid in the last week? |
| 05:12.25 | andrownz | Stevie-O, I think that this address already in use is because it binds to ipv6 address first, then binding for ipv4 fails .. |
| 05:12.32 | liable | hanasaki: for an x browser --config x-www-browser |
| 05:12.39 | Stevie-O | 1, deadcat |
| 05:12.39 | chealer | liable: packages.qa.debian.org ? |
| 05:12.51 | hanasaki | right.. but how do i figure out what to use for others.. like i have 2 ver of java installed |
| 05:12.58 | liable | chealer: i wanted a simple answer! :) |
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| 05:13.03 | Stevie-O | andrownz: but I don't see anything listening on 22 for ipv6 either |
| 05:13.35 | simonrvn | Stevie-O: you' |
| 05:13.37 | Stevie-O | besides, it's saying 0.0.0.0, which is an ipv4 address |
| 05:13.47 | simonrvn | ll probably see ::0.0.0.0 |
| 05:13.54 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 05:13.55 | hanasaki | night all |
| 05:14.03 | andrownz | Stevie-O, yeah and 2 or 3 lives above it says it's binding to :: |
| 05:14.10 | andrownz | lines* |
| 05:14.39 | Stevie-O | is it binding to ::0.0.0.0:22 or just 0.0.0.0:22? |
| 05:15.17 | chealer | liable: we must have different definitions of "easy" :) |
| 05:15.44 | *** part/#debian foo (n=foo@unaffiliated/foo) |
| 05:16.20 | andrownz | Server listening on :: port 22. |
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| 05:16.27 | andrownz | that's 3 lines above |
| 05:16.28 | simonrvn | that's ipv6 |
| 05:16.35 | Stevie-O | but that's not what I'm talking about! |
| 05:16.36 | andrownz | and after it tries to bind to 0.0.0.0:22 |
| 05:16.38 | andrownz | which is ipv4 |
| 05:16.56 | simonrvn | it's bound to both. |
| 05:17.11 | andrownz | debug1: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0., Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use. |
| 05:17.13 | Stevie-O | /usr/sbin/sshd -ddd -o 'Port 1023' |
| 05:17.14 | andrownz | so do I : / |
| 05:17.20 | Stevie-O | then on your clients |
| 05:17.24 | simonrvn | i.e., both work. this is what ipv6+ipv4 does ... |
| 05:17.26 | Stevie-O | ssh -P 1023 dev@foo |
| 05:17.37 | Mrono | what should I install on an old server that don't do much, Win 2000 server or Win XP Pro? |
| 05:17.46 | Stevie-O | Mrono: Debian |
| 05:18.00 | Mrono | Debian doesn't do what I want |
| 05:18.00 | simonrvn | oh my mistake... |
| 05:18.10 | simonrvn | then go away. |
| 05:18.12 | andrownz | http://pastebin.com/577933 |
| 05:18.13 | Stevie-O | then why are you asking in #debian? |
| 05:18.14 | andrownz | same here |
| 05:18.18 | Mrono | cuz I feel like it |
| 05:18.21 | chealer | Mrono: Windows 3.11 Groupware rules |
| 05:18.25 | Mrono | lmao |
| 05:18.31 | Stevie-O | haha |
| 05:18.33 | simonrvn | Mrono: go away |
| 05:18.38 | Mrono | ok |
| 05:18.44 | Stevie-O | uhhh andrownz |
| 05:18.45 | Mrono | thanks for the help but it just didn't workout |
| 05:18.53 | Stevie-O | what about the part where you connect to the server to login? |
| 05:18.57 | simonrvn | bye |
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| 05:19.49 | simonrvn | Stevie-O: it'll listen to both ipv6 and ipv addies if you let it bind to the ipv6 one. man sshd |
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| 05:20.11 | simonrvn | shell account |
| 05:20.18 | simonrvn | ^^^^ |
| 05:20.36 | andrownz | Stevie-O, http://pastebin.com/577938 |
| 05:21.19 | Stevie-O | that's great |
| 05:21.28 | Stevie-O | that shows me the client |
| 05:21.34 | Stevie-O | but what about the sshd? |
| 05:22.08 | andrownz | Stevie-O, hoo, exactly the same .. |
| 05:22.18 | Stevie-O | what do you mean? |
| 05:22.18 | andrownz | Stevie-O, didn't I give the pastebin? |
| 05:22.30 | andrownz | http://pastebin.com/577933 |
| 05:22.33 | andrownz | that? |
| 05:22.45 | Stevie-O | but that doesn't have any of the stuff form when the person connected |
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| 05:23.12 | andrownz | Stevie-O, when the client connects it gives the same 4 or 5 lines as before .. |
| 05:23.13 | Stevie-O | There should be lots and lots of output from when you ssh in |
| 05:23.24 | andrownz | Stevie-O, but there isn't, I guess that's because of my version .. |
| 05:23.26 | simonrvn | since when? |
| 05:23.32 | simonrvn | oh debug nm |
| 05:23.43 | Stevie-O | yeah, since we did sshd -ddd |
| 05:24.02 | Stevie-O | your paste has 24 lines in it |
| 05:24.07 | Stevie-O | which 4 or 5 lines are you referring to? |
| 05:25.07 | andrownz | Stevie-O, I mean the 4 or 5 lines here : http://pastebin.com/577942 |
| 05:25.56 | Stevie-O | do you have privilege separation mode turned on? |
| 05:26.13 | Stevie-O | wait, I do |
| 05:26.17 | Stevie-O | so that can't be doing it |
| 05:26.33 | andrownz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.37 | Stevie-O | wtf |
| 05:27.05 | Stevie-O | how are you recording this information, by the way? |
| 05:27.15 | andrownz | I think it has something to do with this GSI .. |
| 05:27.31 | andrownz | I mean GSSAPI |
| 05:27.50 | Stevie-O | hrm |
| 05:27.52 | andrownz | recording this info ? which info ? output ? same console where I run /usr/bin/sshd -ddd, it doesn't go to background and all the output goes here |
| 05:27.52 | Stevie-O | maybe? |
| 05:28.00 | Stevie-O | okay |
| 05:28.16 | andrownz | Stevie-O, ok I'll try to call those who have turned on this options in sshd_config, I'm done with it |
| 05:28.24 | andrownz | Stevie-O, many thanks |
| 05:28.28 | Stevie-O | agreed |
| 05:28.33 | Stevie-O | they musta f'd it up! |
| 05:28.46 | Stevie-O | don't forget to restart main sshd |
| 05:28.52 | andrownz | Stevie-O, true :) |
| 05:33.07 | Stevie-O | /dev/md0 224G 33M 224G 1% /home2 |
| 05:33.09 | Stevie-O | sweeet |
| 05:34.41 | epsilon | wait until reiserfs start sucking |
| 05:35.14 | Stevie-O | when will that happen? |
| 05:35.28 | epsilon | anytime *muahahahahaha* |
| 05:35.29 | Supaplex | when hell freezes over |
| 05:35.38 | Stevie-O | well |
| 05:35.47 | Stevie-O | then I suppose it's a good thing that I have absolutely nothing on it |
| 05:35.53 | Stevie-O | so I can mke2fs |
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| 05:36.06 | epsilon | or sfx |
| 05:36.09 | epsilon | xfs |
| 05:36.30 | Stevie-O | yay |
| 05:36.36 | dBgBdWolf | what's the status of selinux for debian? |
| 05:36.46 | Stevie-O | The more important question is |
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| 05:37.18 | Stevie-O | what's the status of find-a-date-with-a-hot-chick for debian |
| 05:37.38 | Stevie-O | Because I could really use one of those, far more than I need selinux. |
| 05:37.39 | epsilon | what happened to hotbabe package anyway? |
| 05:37.40 | iNAP | i installed the hebrew language on the testing version and im in firefox, i set the right encryptin, but its still not showing up, any ideas? |
| 05:37.57 | Stevie-O | epsilon: it wasn't free (too many committments required) so it was moved to contrib |
| 05:38.20 | Stevie-O | No idea, inap |
| 05:39.05 | Stevie-O | I need more ram in this sucker |
| 05:39.13 | epsilon | it's still in debian? thought it has been removed cuase some ppl couldn't handle to see naked comic woman |
| 05:39.17 | Stevie-O | all of 512mb |
| 05:39.26 | Stevie-O | well |
| 05:39.31 | Stevie-O | it's not really "in" debian |
| 05:39.41 | Stevie-O | just like mplayer |
| 05:39.54 | epsilon | never mind |
| 05:40.00 | Stevie-O | note that that's the real reason mplayer was removed |
| 05:40.06 | deadcat | NV driver can support xcompmgr and transset too. wow. |
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| 05:41.38 | Stevie-O | is there any handy utility for assigning a group to a user |
| 05:41.52 | Stevie-O | you know, something better than hand-editing /etc/passwd or /etc/groups |
| 05:42.43 | iNAP | can anyone help me access a different partition that is ntfs where all my music is |
| 05:43.02 | Gnea | Stevie-O: addgroup |
| 05:43.04 | Stevie-O | mount it with the ntfs driver |
| 05:43.17 | dBgBdWolf | usermod? |
| 05:43.21 | Gnea | !ntfs |
| 05:43.22 | dpkg | somebody said ntfs was Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 05:43.36 | iNAP | Stevie-O, which i do how? |
| 05:43.47 | Stevie-O | mount <partition> <somewhere> -t ntfs,ro |
| 05:43.49 | Gnea | !tell iNAP -about ntfs |
| 05:45.02 | dBgBdWolf | so, minus the smartass comments, selinux still isn't well integrated in debian? |
| 05:45.11 | Stevie-O | I really have no idea |
| 05:45.12 | Gnea | it isn't? |
| 05:45.23 | bucky | dBgBdWolf: yes.. apt-cache search selinux |
| 05:45.27 | dBgBdWolf | i don't know; that's why i was asking :) |
| 05:45.58 | Gnea | !google selinux debian |
| 05:45.58 | bucky | selinux is in the kernel.. that's why it's well integrated with any linux distro |
| 05:46.04 | dpkg | Google says selinux debian is at http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ or http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3 or http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux or http://selinux.lemuria.org/ or http://selinux.lemuria.org/install-2.6.html |
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| 05:46.22 | Gnea | bucky: just because it's "there" doesn't mean a thing - it's about how it's utilized |
| 05:46.23 | Stevie-O | that's interesting... |
| 05:46.42 | Stevie-O | policycoreutils' thingy has a utf-8 encoded character in it |
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| 05:47.00 | zu22 | i am running Debian unstable (well whatever was unstable 2 years ago), can i just change /etc/sources.list and do "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" to get the latest unstable? |
| 05:47.00 | bucky | !info selinux-doc |
| 05:47.04 | Stevie-O | and apt isn't converting it to latin-1 |
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| 05:47.09 | dpkg | selinux-doc: (documentation for Security-Enhanced Linux), section doc, is optional. Version: 1.24-1 (sid), Packaged size: 989 kB, Installed size: 1696 kB |
| 05:47.13 | bucky | !info selinux-policy-default |
| 05:47.19 | dpkg | selinux-policy-default: (Policy config files and management for NSA Security Enhanced Linux), section admin, is optional. Version: 1:1.26-7 (sid), Packaged size: 250 kB, Installed size: 5252 kB |
| 05:47.33 | bucky | !info selinux-utils |
| 05:47.38 | Gnea | bucky: enough. |
| 05:47.38 | dpkg | selinux-utils: (SELinux utility programs), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.28-4 (sid), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 356 kB |
| 05:47.41 | dBgBdWolf | alright, i get the picture |
| 05:47.44 | Stevie-O | of course, whenever I see "NSA Security Enhanced" I wonder whose security is being enhanced |
| 05:47.47 | bucky | !info slat |
| 05:47.53 | dpkg | slat: (Tools for information flow analysis of SELinux policies), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 152 kB, Installed size: 644 kB |
| 05:47.53 | zu22 | stop flooding bucky |
| 05:48.01 | zu22 | !lart bucky |
| 05:48.07 | Stevie-O | !thwack bucky |
| 05:48.10 | bucky | Gnea: is that supported well enough for you? |
| 05:48.20 | Gnea | bucky: got a problem? |
| 05:48.30 | bucky | <Gnea> bucky: just because it's "there" doesn't mean a thing - it's about how it's utilized |
| 05:48.45 | bucky | what kind of smart ass remark is that^^ |
| 05:48.52 | Gnea | it's the truth |
| 05:49.03 | dvm1981 | bucky: Use '/msg dpkg <msg>' instead |
| 05:49.14 | bucky | Gnea: then you're saying selinux is not well supported in debian? |
| 05:49.21 | Gnea | bucky: nope. |
| 05:49.33 | bucky | dvm1981: you use it newbie |
| 05:49.36 | Gnea | bucky: those specific words were not typed like me. |
| 05:49.45 | Gnea | s/like/by/g |
| 05:49.51 | dvm1981 | bucky: hun ?? |
| 05:50.19 | Gnea | dvm1981: it's okay, we're well aware of bucky's condition. |
| 05:50.21 | bucky | dvm1981: you're in the channel for two days now you own it? |
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| 05:50.43 | dvm1981 | bucky: Im here for 2 day, |
| 05:50.47 | Gnea | bucky: you will now stop abusing others. |
| 05:50.49 | dvm1981 | s/day/year |
| 05:50.53 | bucky | Gnea: yeah.. my condition is a low threshhold for your bullshit |
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| 05:51.37 | Gnea | bucky: obviously the truth is too much for you. /ignore works wonders. |
| 05:52.03 | bucky | what truth? <Gnea> bucky: just because it's "there" doesn't mean a thing - it's about how it's utilized |
| 05:52.07 | bucky | that truth? |
| 05:52.12 | Gnea | dude |
| 05:52.14 | Gnea | drop it already |
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| 05:59.03 | Gnea | dBgBdWolf: according to the sf.net site, selinux integrates with the unstable branch, currently, and they have documentation on getting the userland requirements setup so that it can work properly with the kernel side |
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| 06:01.01 | Stevie-O | so on a completely different subject |
| 06:01.09 | Stevie-O | how many 2.5" drives do you think you could fit into a 2U? |
| 06:01.33 | ke6isf | Stevie-O: Four. |
| 06:01.58 | Stevie-O | I can easily fit four 3.5" drives in there |
| 06:02.18 | Coweater | will they fit vertically? |
| 06:02.20 | _nicolas | with or without use of a hammer? ;) |
| 06:02.25 | Stevie-O | hahaha |
| 06:02.28 | Stevie-O | let's go: without |
| 06:02.52 | _nicolas | aww, come on! :P I say at least 5 |
| 06:02.55 | Stevie-O | Seagates' gonna be giving us 160gb 2.5" drives this summer (or so they say) |
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| 06:03.20 | Coweater | i thought i saw one for sale |
| 06:03.30 | ke6isf | Stevie-O: *giving*? How'd you pull that off? |
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| 06:04.21 | Coweater | $340 for the 5400 ata |
| 06:05.12 | Coweater | probably better off with a set of 400 gb drives |
| 06:07.29 | yawg | the wireless pc card i have needs a package in testing, i'm currently running stable, can i install this one testing package in stable without switching the entire system over to testing? |
| 06:08.18 | yawg | and if i can, how should i do it? edit my apt sources list to do testing and apt-get install it and then edit the source list back when it's done; OR download the package and use dpkg |
| 06:08.31 | moyix | I've got a small private network setup (192.168.0.1/24), and I've been trying to set up all the machines to be able to rsh to one another. I have a .rhosts listing all the other machines in the home directory of the user I want to rsh to. /etc/hosts has a mapping for all the IPs to hostnames as well. when I try to rsh user@hostname or user@ip, I get "rcmd: getaddrinfo: Temporary failure in name resolution" |
| 06:08.37 | Gnea | Coweater: they're still a beta-test target |
| 06:08.56 | Gnea | yawg: what package? |
| 06:09.04 | yawg | Gnea: linux-wlan-ng |
| 06:09.20 | Gnea | yawg: have you tried backports? |
| 06:09.25 | yawg | hm? |
| 06:09.27 | yawg | what is that? |
| 06:09.28 | Gnea | !backports |
| 06:09.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 06:09.40 | yawg | oo |
| 06:09.45 | Gnea | :) |
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| 06:16.10 | dondelelcaro | moyix: dare I ask why you're using rsh instead of ssh? |
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| 06:19.37 | oneoneone | Konqueror (and maybe all of KDE) just broke.It says something about octet streams and mime, then quits. |
| 06:20.54 | deadcat | someone test this for me please: cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.openbox.org:/cvs/cvsroot login |
| 06:21.02 | deadcat | anonymous is the passwd |
| 06:21.37 | deadcat | nevermind they fucked up the servername |
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| 06:22.57 | nvz | dondelelcaro: hows dpkg are you inneed of a new drive or something? |
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| 06:25.12 | nvz | I wonder when lilo says we have 30,000 users if he just means registered regular users |
| 06:25.22 | nvz | cause #debian alone seen over 40,000 last year |
| 06:25.32 | nvz | or maybe that was the year before |
| 06:25.37 | moyix | dondelelcaro: 1) faster 2) ssh freezes UML for me (which is what I'm using to simulate this network) |
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| 06:26.27 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's fine... what I really need is time to fix the blootbot code to use something that doesn't suck |
| 06:26.40 | dvm1981 | For usage in (secure)local network, is that a waste of resource using ssh? Better the use another tool? |
| 06:27.05 | dondelelcaro | moyix: ssh shouldn't be freezing UML... it's possible that you don't have enough entropy though... |
| 06:27.19 | dondelelcaro | dvm1981: no, it's not... because no local network is ever secure... |
| 06:27.50 | dondelelcaro | you fall into the "hard on the outside, soft on the inside" insecurity model... |
| 06:28.01 | dvm1981 | dondelelcaro: Like i'm a megabit parano, continueing to use ssh ;-) |
| 06:28.21 | dvm1981 | dondelelcaro: Thanks for the tip man :-) |
| 06:28.55 | dondelelcaro | (plus, ssh is quite a bit more featureful than rsh is...) |
| 06:29.21 | dvm1981 | dondelelcaro: And work really good and fine |
| 06:29.39 | moyix | dondelelcaro: I'm fairly certain it's a UML bug; the UML session hangs and can't be stopped through mconsole |
| 06:30.00 | dvm1981 | dondelelcaro: Like one of the prevouise question concern it, i had that question :-) |
| 06:30.17 | moyix | dondelelcaro: anyways, security is decidedly not an issue. these are virtual test boxes that are just going to be used to simulate a Tor network |
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| 06:35.21 | chealer | nvz: http://freenode.net/growth.shtml amazing growth again |
| 06:41.04 | chealer | why would Freenode be absent from http://irc.netsplit.de/networks/ ? it seems it should be about to enter the top 5 IRC networks this year |
| 06:42.27 | Eclipser | it says source: irc.netsplit.de in the images |
| 06:42.57 | chealer | yeah, netsplit has info about Freenode, but it's not listed in the top 25 |
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| 06:43.27 | Eclipser | but it isn't on the list of IRC networks |
| 06:43.52 | Eclipser | oh |
| 06:43.53 | Eclipser | it is |
| 06:45.16 | Eclipser | chealer, it's in the mavericks list and I think they don't count those in the charts |
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| 06:47.42 | chealer | Eclipser: hum, ok... |
| 06:52.28 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: what theme you using on openbox? |
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| 06:59.36 | liable | !hi |
| 06:59.36 | dpkg | hello, liable |
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| 07:01.12 | Gnea | liable: good evening |
| 07:01.28 | liable | hola :) |
| 07:01.32 | Supaplex | !lart screen(1) handling of ^A |
| 07:01.47 | Gnea | heh |
| 07:01.54 | Zet | what, is "hard on the outside, soft on the inside" a bad thing? |
| 07:02.25 | Gnea | Zet: because it sucks to have egg goo all over your finger in the middle of the grocery store |
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| 07:04.38 | Zet | what? |
| 07:04.54 | Zet | "because" usually answers to "why" |
| 07:05.07 | Gnea | and "what" is one of the 5 W's |
| 07:05.12 | Zet | yes |
| 07:05.19 | Gnea | now, what was your question in relation to? |
| 07:05.34 | Zet | 08:27 < dondelelcaro> you fall into the "hard on the outside, soft on the inside" insecurity model... |
| 07:05.35 | liable | was it even a question? |
| 07:05.52 | Gnea | it had a question mark at the end of it... |
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| 07:06.05 | deadcat | Gnea: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2006/20060214.bowling/20060228.nosound.lavc.avi i got all those spares.. it looks like split too (= |
| 07:06.11 | Gnea | Zet: and yes, that's a bad thing. |
| 07:06.31 | Gnea | ooo, i miss bowling |
| 07:06.38 | Gnea | we're trying to get a group together here |
| 07:06.39 | Zet | well, I do log into the machines in my local machines using ssh |
| 07:06.46 | deadcat | Gnea: you got to go man.. hella fun |
| 07:06.56 | Zet | but I transfer files with nfs. I don't bother with encryption there. |
| 07:06.58 | Gnea | deadcat: dude, i used to be on a league years ago, i love it |
| 07:07.04 | deadcat | damn |
| 07:07.06 | unix_infidel | dpkg: java |
| 07:07.06 | dpkg | methinks java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 07:07.15 | Zet | er. the machines in my local network. |
| 07:07.17 | Gnea | Zet: NFS sucks by default |
| 07:07.18 | deadcat | Gnea: maybe we should go as a group during linuxworldexpo if you come |
| 07:07.24 | Zet | Gnea: how's that? |
| 07:07.28 | unix_infidel | dpkg: tell unix_infidel about install java |
| 07:07.43 | liable | !msg the bot |
| 07:07.43 | dpkg | please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood |
| 07:07.58 | Zet | I gotta go though -> |
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| 07:08.49 | Gnea | deadcat: that'd rock, except i'm restarting school in the middle of the next one |
| 07:09.16 | deadcat | Gnea: damn. that suck. )= |
| 07:09.27 | deadcat | Gnea: aug right? |
| 07:10.07 | Gnea | deadcat: oh, i don't know for sure... it would probably be bottom-of-the-barrel pass, i doubt i could get someone to sponsor me again heh |
| 07:10.38 | Gnea | deadcat: OTOH, I have better audio/visual equipment this time around |
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| 07:20.10 | unix_infidel | does debian support crystal icons for OOo? |
| 07:20.26 | unix_infidel | for testing tha tis. |
| 07:22.24 | Paivakil | unix_infidel: `apt-cache search crystal' |
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| 07:24.51 | unix_infidel | Paivakil: right, i know they are available, are they available for integration in to openoffice2? |
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| 07:33.05 | keex | how does one apply all the debian kernel patches? there is the /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.8/apply/debian file... but how do I apply all these patches to the kernel ? |
| 07:34.27 | sep | keex, i have no idea, but if i was to try to find out i'd start by reading in /usr/share/doc/kernel-patches |
| 07:34.41 | keex | sep, good idea ;) |
| 07:37.58 | prodope | where does bootlogd log to? |
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| 07:39.08 | prodope | nm, found it |
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| 07:40.05 | epsilon | keex: just take the kernel.org stuff, if you apply debian patches anyway |
| 07:42.59 | chealer | epsilon: why would you recommend using vanilla sources on #debian? |
| 07:42.59 | keex | epsilon, yeah, but how does one apply these patches? |
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| 07:43.48 | keex | I cannot find any suitable documentation on patching debian-kernels.... |
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| 07:44.38 | chealer | keex: what patches do you want to apply? |
| 07:45.00 | mylo | any recommended iptables administration tools ? |
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| 07:45.31 | jm_ | mylo: what do you mean? |
| 07:46.22 | mylo | jm_, i'm building a router with deb, and i want to know is there any recommended firewall tools beside firehol or shorewall |
| 07:46.37 | jm_ | mylo: so you want some frontend or what? |
| 07:47.10 | mylo | jm_, frontend |
| 07:47.32 | jm_ | mylo: 'apt-cache search iptables' lists several |
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| 07:47.48 | mylo | jm_, web based frontend preferebly |
| 07:47.57 | mylo | jm_, done that, :) |
| 07:48.28 | prodope | is there an easy way i could figure out what the uptime was before my server restarted? |
| 07:48.39 | sami__ | does anyone have good idea to fix broken reiserfs-partition? with superblock with bad sectors? |
| 07:49.02 | chealer | prodope: yeah, check when it was installed :) |
| 07:49.10 | sami__ | when I check partition with hex-editor I can see that files in there are ok |
| 07:49.10 | sep | mylo, are you seriously saying that you consider running a webserver on your router/firewall !! |
| 07:49.35 | blondie | sep: OHNOES |
| 07:49.45 | epsilon | is there any recommended tool to analyse existing iptables-rules? |
| 07:50.44 | epsilon | prodope: read the logs? |
| 07:50.46 | sep | mylo, use shorewall and edit the textfiles like everyone else. or if you _realy_ must use a webtool use webmin-shorewall. and make sure you can only reach webmin from inside. keep in mind webmin is only in sarge |
| 07:51.31 | epsilon | "webmin is only in sarge" <-- excuse me? |
| 07:51.32 | sep | *wave of hand* (you dont want to use webmin) |
| 07:51.55 | sep | !tell epsilon about webmin |
| 07:52.30 | sep | epsilon, you'r excused :) |
| 07:52.36 | epsilon | I know what webmin is, but why do you say sarge? |
| 07:53.16 | prodope | epsilon: i'm not sure where to look... syslog doesn't seem to go back far enough |
| 07:53.37 | sep | epsilon, becouse webmin is in sarge ? |
| 07:53.52 | epsilon | and so in woody... |
| 07:53.55 | sep | epsilon, yes. |
| 07:54.07 | stew | epsilon: but it will not be in the next release |
| 07:54.09 | sep | epsilon, but not in sid |
| 07:54.24 | sep | epsilon, you got a link in the factoid it would tell you the whole story. |
| 07:55.23 | sep | epsilon, i guess saying "only" was wrong since it is in oldstable. the point was that it's not in sid and unless someone wants to package it it wont be in the next release either |
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| 08:00.02 | rootmos | how do i reset the state of a package? i do not wish that apt is aware of that it has been installed before |
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| 08:01.00 | iNAP | can anyone supply me that setup guide for install a nvidia gfx card on a testing debian version? |
| 08:01.22 | jm_ | iNAP: card or driver? installing a card has got nothing to do with the OS |
| 08:01.34 | iNAP | driver |
| 08:01.43 | jm_ | !tell iNAP -about nvidia one-liner |
| 08:01.51 | iNAP | thanks |
| 08:02.07 | chealer | !tell iNAP about ngd |
| 08:03.07 | stew | rootmos: apt-get remove --purge packagename |
| 08:03.18 | rootmos | stew: thanks |
| 08:03.20 | jm_ | or aptitude purge foo |
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| 08:09.37 | mylo | sep, it is a multipurposed router,gateway,web server :) |
| 08:09.58 | chealer | iNAP: you can follow that document, but keep in mind that the nvidia-graphics-drivers in etch is currently unusable. you can use nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy by adapting some nvidia packages names instead |
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| 08:10.11 | iNAP | im on sarge. |
| 08:10.12 | dominicano | at least |
| 08:10.15 | dominicano | dvm1981, hi |
| 08:10.29 | chealer | iNAP: you asked about testing |
| 08:11.02 | iNAP | oh oh oh.. i am on testing, im on a lotta windows |
| 08:11.08 | iNAP | and working with diff computers |
| 08:11.18 | iNAP | so im getting all confused. |
| 08:13.31 | sep | iNAP, if you have a up2date testing distro i did not succeed with the one-liner. instead i pulled the nvidia-prebuilt binary and nvidia-glx from sid. |
| 08:13.40 | sep | this was yesterday :) |
| 08:14.09 | iNAP | oh |
| 08:21.15 | dominicano | !seen icaro |
| 08:21.16 | dpkg | icaro <i=icaro@DialUp-StoDgo217.tricom.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 20d 3h 25m 3s ago, saying: 'does anybody know any "modem on hold" software, such as tuxcall'. |
| 08:22.49 | epsilon | guess his modem didn't hold |
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| 08:25.45 | fireba11 | hm .. guess i need some help here ... i placed a file with an crontab fragment in /etc/cron.d ... still it seems the script it should run is not running, i get no error in my logfile .. can somone tell me what i might have done wrong ? |
| 08:26.30 | Amorphous | hi. does running an x86-64 kernel and 32bit userspace work with the nvidia gfx driver? |
| 08:26.54 | jm_ | fireba11: man cron, read 2nd paragraph under notes |
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| 08:28.01 | fireba11 | jm_ i did it that way .. at least i think i did ^^ |
| 08:28.11 | jm_ | fireba11: including naming the file properly? |
| 08:28.42 | fireba11 | yes .. only lowercase plus a - ... name should be fine .. if i change the file i get an entry in log that it got reloaded |
| 08:29.33 | Amorphous | fireba11: perhaps you just mixed up the time, so it just didn't run yet |
| 08:29.38 | fireba11 | jm_ still nothing else is happening |
| 08:29.46 | jm_ | fireba11: and use the special format of the file? |
| 08:29.51 | fireba11 | Amorphous: i changed it to run every 5 minutes for testing ... |
| 08:29.52 | jm_ | used* |
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| 08:30.29 | fireba11 | jm_ /5 * * * * root /root/backupjira_sync should be fine i think |
| 08:31.41 | jm_ | fireba11: shouldn't that be */5? |
| 08:31.50 | jm_ | fireba11: did you add a newline? |
| 08:32.47 | fireba11 | jm_ owww .. no .. added a newline now .. i'll wait 2 minutes if that changes anything |
| 08:32.48 | epsilon | try "*/5 * * * *" |
| 08:33.23 | fireba11 | am trying */5 now .. had a fixed value bevore so it probably was the newline ... ^^ |
| 08:33.27 | epsilon | and use only alphabet letters in cronjob filename, that will minimise any trouble |
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| 08:36.10 | fireba11 | jm_ dang it really was the newline .. *urks* |
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| 08:36.59 | jm_ | fireba11: read BUGS section in man crontab |
| 08:37.19 | fireba11 | jm_ it's not that i didn't know i just forgot ^^ |
| 08:37.30 | raf256[laptop] | what might be reason that a device (eth0) is not visible by system (no such device in ifup eth0) ? |
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| 08:39.16 | fireba11 | jm_ but maybe you can help me with something else ... the script i'm running gives a couple lines feedback ... i would have expected that cron mailed it to me but it didn't .. what do i need to change to get that ? |
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| 08:40.26 | jm_ | fireba11: MAILTO |
| 08:40.48 | fireba11 | jm_ dang .. should get some coffee to wake up .. thanks a bunch |
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| 08:44.51 | sep | raf256[laptop], you have not loaded the correct kernel module for the nic perhaps ? |
| 08:45.08 | sep | raf256[laptop], ifconfig -a to show all interfaces available |
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| 08:45.26 | sep | raf256[laptop], and you have configured eth0 in interfaces file i assume ? |
| 08:45.32 | raf256[laptop] | sep: thanks I got it fixed (wrong ifconfig was used) |
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| 08:51.44 | dondelelcaro | Zet: far better to be hard the whole way through. |
| 08:52.15 | dondelelcaro | (also known as the "I have a firewall, why do I need to keep my machines updated?" |
| 08:53.27 | Kernel_core | hi all |
| 08:53.57 | mrverbose | help, something changes the permissions of /dev/null from time to time, it must be some privileged process, but I have no idea which one |
| 08:55.02 | mrverbose | it happens in some irregular intervalls and the permissions are changed to 600 instead of 666 |
| 08:55.11 | Kernel_core | I want to install h323-asterisk-1.2.4 on debian , package depends on libopenh323-1.18.0 (>= 1.17.4) , where do I get this package ? |
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| 08:55.32 | mrverbose | pdo.debian.org |
| 08:55.49 | Kernel_core | mrverbose: it doesn't exist there |
| 08:55.52 | mrverbose | pdo.debian.net |
| 08:56.00 | mrverbose | -> google |
| 08:56.44 | liable | yay, p.d.o is back. |
| 08:57.26 | mrverbose | ;) |
| 08:57.44 | jm_ | liable: looks just like pdo.de* -- i.e. changelogs not working |
| 08:57.58 | mrverbose | anyone an idea what could cause the permissions of /dev/null to be changed? |
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| 08:58.30 | mrverbose | I have been suspection a program "logging" to /dev/null taking it as a file, but I have no idea which one that could be |
| 08:58.42 | liable | jm_: oh, i see. url is p.d.o, i cant try to get changelogs atm though :( |
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| 09:00.10 | liable | !curse moving house |
| 09:00.10 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, moving house! |
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| 09:02.24 | ste | hi all. where can I set default dpi font for xorg 7.0? |
| 09:03.18 | jm_ | ste: X server should set DPI based on your monitor's dimensions |
| 09:03.25 | ste | ahem, default font dpi I mean |
| 09:03.52 | ste | jm_: it chooses 100dpi, and it's wrong |
| 09:04.13 | jm_ | ste: and the right would be? |
| 09:04.41 | ste | jm_: 75. At least, it has always choosen (75,75) |
| 09:05.02 | ste | "always" means both 6.9 and 7.0-cvs |
| 09:05.03 | mrverbose | ste: cat /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 09:05.04 | mrverbose | #!/bin/sh |
| 09:05.04 | mrverbose | # $Id: xserverrc 189 2005-06-11 00:04:27Z branden $ |
| 09:05.04 | mrverbose | exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp -br |
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| 09:05.26 | mrverbose | dammit |
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| 09:05.45 | liable | jm_: have you fixed my grub problem yet ? :) |
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| 09:06.26 | jm_ | liable: no, I didn't bother looking further, it must be shitty BIOS causing it |
| 09:06.33 | nnod | does anyone know why wine 0.9.7 doesn't seem to recognise my ~/.wine/config file? i used winetools to set it up |
| 09:06.45 | ste | mrverbose: strange. It's 100dpi there, but it has always gone to 75... restarting X right now... |
| 09:07.46 | liable | jm_: hrm yeah, only thing i could really put it down to, but I tried to remove that possibility by downgrading several versions without luck. oh well, will work it out one day i guess. |
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| 09:09.08 | jm_ | liable: yeah it's quite possible old versions have this bug too, but I just don't see it with other machines |
| 09:09.54 | liable | yep |
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| 09:13.09 | jm_ | alternatively, you could try old versions of GRUB that didn't have CD-ROM support and check if it helps |
| 09:13.26 | liable | mmmm, someone is cooking something that smells damn awesome.. |
| 09:14.36 | jm_ | tell me about it - we have a reastaurant bellow our workplace and the chimney is built right next to our offices with lots of leakage there, so I get to smell delicious stuff |
| 09:14.49 | liable | heh |
| 09:16.55 | liable | i cant even remember when it started, must have been about 8 months ago, i put it down to a fucked cdrom once I removed it and things got better, then I found a cheap replacement and the problem remained.. guess i should do some real homework and try and work it out. |
| 09:17.49 | mrverbose | *baum* i found the reason for /dev/null permissions change |
| 09:18.13 | mrverbose | it is less'es fault |
| 09:18.35 | mrverbose | i linked ~/.lesshst -> /dev/null |
| 09:18.49 | mrverbose | or lets say i symlinked it |
| 09:19.44 | jm_ | what purpose does that have? |
| 09:20.06 | mrverbose | jm_: preventing a history from beeing generated |
| 09:20.24 | jm_ | mrverbose: for less? |
| 09:20.43 | mrverbose | yes |
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| 09:21.02 | jm_ | is that a new feature? the version in Sarge knows nothing about it |
| 09:21.12 | bubblenut | Hi, what alternative to rc.local is there on debian based distros? |
| 09:21.40 | mrverbose | jm_: dunno, testing however does |
| 09:21.50 | jm_ | mrverbose: probably a new feature |
| 09:22.17 | wols_ | bubblenut: none. just create your own rc.local |
| 09:22.23 | liable | !rc.local |
| 09:22.24 | dpkg | it has been said that rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 09:22.31 | wols_ | and put it in the proper /etc/rc?.d |
| 09:22.54 | wols_ | liable: yes I'm lazy :) |
| 09:23.15 | liable | me too :) |
| 09:23.27 | liable | i just dont call it rc.local.. |
| 09:24.16 | wols_ | I do. easily recognizable name, everyone knows what it is |
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| 09:27.12 | bubblenut | Thanks :) |
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| 09:33.57 | tobo | what command is used for "installing" debs when in console mode on debian netinstall cd |
| 09:34.30 | tobo | i want the reiserfsprogs and found the deb but dpkg isnt available only dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:34.53 | wols_ | dpkg is available |
| 09:35.04 | IdahoEv | anyone know how to correctly specify recipients in email headers? I need to pipe some formatted emails (script-generated) directly to /usr/sbin/sendmail -t . But, when I just set To: address@company.com , the messages get returned "no recipients specified" |
| 09:35.07 | tobo | no? |
| 09:35.08 | wols_ | but usually you use apt-get |
| 09:35.20 | wols_ | tobo: if it weren't you couldn't have installed debian. trust me |
| 09:35.22 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:35.40 | tobo | wols_, i just said i was in console mode on debian netinstall cd |
| 09:36.07 | uwe | hello, does anyone know where the list of packages that debian selects when for example selecting Desktop envirunment in the isntallation procedure resides?on the first cd of debian stable for example |
| 09:36.16 | wols_ | so you haven't installed base yet? |
| 09:36.19 | tobo | so no, i havent installed debian. Or rather i have but want to run fsck.reiserfs from the cd |
| 09:36.41 | tobo | to check the fs on my already installed debian sys |
| 09:36.52 | wols_ | is that reiserfs your intended / fs? |
| 09:36.58 | bartden | hi, i have a little problem with alsa, each time i reboot i have to do a alsaconf and reselect the snd-intel8x0 modules, those modules are automaticlly loaded when i reboot, bt my sound just wont work, and yes i did a alsactl store , but it wont save my settings |
| 09:37.09 | wols_ | don't think you can, it's in the base .tar.gz IIRC 8dpkg I mean) |
| 09:37.47 | wols_ | tobo: mount your already installed debuian read only and use fsck from that |
| 09:38.39 | tobo | in the directory /cdrom/pool/main/r/reiserfsprogs/ there is a file reiserfsprogs_i386_ <blablabla>.deb but i cant seem to find a prog to load this deb file |
| 09:39.05 | tobo | i dont want to mount my existing filesys cause its corrupted, |
| 09:39.06 | fireba11 | tobo just get a live-CD |
| 09:39.06 | mrverbose | where can i set global env variables in debian? |
| 09:39.41 | tobo | fireba11, i could do that... i just thought there would be a way of loading the deb on the cd, much faster that way |
| 09:39.43 | wols_ | tobo: and you can't. mount your debian disk read only and use fsck.reiserfs from that |
| 09:39.43 | Fox | mrverbose: /etc/environment |
| 09:39.45 | fireba11 | tobo also you could mount read-only |
| 09:39.51 | jm_ | mrverbose: typically via pam_env module |
| 09:40.06 | wols_ | tobo: cause even if you _had_ a dpkg you couldn't isntall that fsck from the CD anywhere, so you're back to square one |
| 09:40.14 | wols_ | either use a live CD or use the existing fsck |
| 09:40.46 | tobo | hmmm, ill have to try but i think the tree is corrupted so ill probably be forced to use a live cd |
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| 09:42.02 | npx | Hey, does anyone know of any command line organizer/reminder software? I'm looking for something similar to outlook express' reminder functionality, but minimalistic |
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| 09:43.02 | jm_ | npx: apt-cache show remind - so yes, someone knows |
| 09:43.19 | wols_ | jm_: shouldn't you rename yourself "anyone" now? |
| 09:43.35 | jm_ | wols_: does it work on this network? I know it doesn't on some others |
| 09:43.49 | ViViD | has sarge been updated to 3.1r1a? |
| 09:44.04 | jm_ | ViViD: why not visit www.debian.org and find out? |
| 09:44.14 | npx | jm_, I'm not on a debian box or I'd have done that, but I totally forgot about p.d.o |
| 09:44.15 | npx | thanks! |
| 09:44.25 | tobo | yeah, the root partition is whack but other partitions can be mounted, SH*T. Well well, back to square one i guess, at least home was on a different partition. |
| 09:44.40 | ViViD | jm_: cuz it doesnt say anything about it, but the iso i downloaded said 3.1r1a |
| 09:44.58 | npx | argh, debian search disabled! I can't win, hahaha |
| 09:45.13 | wols_ | npx: pdo.debian.net see topic |
| 09:46.12 | jm_ | ViViD: I have no idea why it's named 1a |
| 09:46.28 | npx | wols_, thanks |
| 09:46.43 | ViViD | jm_: i think all the business card/netinstall iso are 3.1r1a |
| 09:46.45 | npx | gah I'm noobing it up -hard- tonight |
| 09:46.55 | wols_ | wasn't there a (slight) snafu with the first one and they had to make a 2nd one the day after? |
| 09:47.06 | uwe | um, i asked this earlier, but does anyone know where the list of packages that debian selects when for example selecting Desktop envirunment in the isntallation procedure resides?on the first cd of debian stable for example |
| 09:47.23 | jm_ | ViViD: yes, I just noticed |
| 09:47.27 | wols_ | uwe: I think thoy're meta packages |
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| 09:47.39 | jm_ | wols_: yeah that was for 3.1 (r0) |
| 09:48.35 | fireba11 | uwe: why ? you want to customize it ? |
| 09:48.36 | uwe | hmmm .... wols_ , ie dummy packages ? |
| 09:48.45 | npx | Yeah, so I got my hands on an old teal indigo2, you guys think it's worth installing debian on? |
| 09:48.49 | uwe | yes, i want to customize it |
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| 09:49.15 | sep | is there any sane way to get a marvel youkon to work in sarge ? no backported driver to 2.6.8 or anything ? |
| 09:50.37 | wols_ | uwe: try tasksel and dissect it. no clue actually since I can't find the metapackages :( |
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| 09:51.06 | uwe | wols_, looking into it |
| 09:51.15 | fireba11 | uwe: why don't you just install basic system and then put a list of packages to install ? |
| 09:51.29 | elirips | hello. /var/cache/apt is eating my disk-space, what is the "good" way of telling apt to clear that catch? |
| 09:51.40 | resiak | apt-get clean |
| 09:52.01 | fireba11 | uwe dpkg --get-selections > /backup/packages and dpkg --set-selections < /backup/packages ; apt-get -u dselect-upgrade are your firends for that :-) |
| 09:52.03 | npx | What's the difference between apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean? |
| 09:52.09 | resiak | man apt-get |
| 09:52.10 | elirips | resiak: ah thanks, I thought it is something with apt-cache :P |
| 09:52.25 | elirips | read through that man but didn't find anything.. |
| 09:52.28 | wols_ | npx: autoclean only deletes "old" packages meaning where you have a newer version already |
| 09:52.29 | resiak | elirips: I've been known to try `apt-cache clean` also |
| 09:52.33 | kevix | npx: clean removes everything, autoclean does not. |
| 09:52.42 | npx | ahh, okay, thanks |
| 09:52.54 | uwe | waw fireba11 , thank you ! ... reading ... |
| 09:53.01 | elirips | resiak: that did not work.. or apt-cache clear, something like that i tried.. |
| 09:53.07 | jm_ | uwe: Task: header |
| 09:53.10 | resiak | *nods* |
| 09:53.30 | npx | you could just rm them, no one will know! |
| 09:53.58 | wols_ | npx: or care |
| 09:54.03 | kevix | npx: there is also apt-move. |
| 09:54.20 | npx | debian makes me feel like a complete idiot. |
| 09:54.27 | bartden | hi, i have a little problem with alsa, each time i reboot i have to do a alsaconf and reselect the snd-intel8x0 modules, those modules are automaticlly loaded when i reboot, bt my sound just wont work, and yes i did a alsactl store , but it wont save my settings |
| 09:55.08 | kevix | npx: its just that it has so much power, it takes a while to become a 'superhero'! |
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| 09:55.37 | fireba11 | kevix: hehe |
| 09:55.57 | kevix | bartden: did you have the required modules in /etc/modules? |
| 09:56.18 | wols_ | bartden: when you reboot, the intel8x0 module is loaded but doesn't work? |
| 09:56.22 | kevix | fireba11: and dont forget about the 'supercow'! |
| 09:56.25 | mrverbose | how can i update environment variables after changing /etc/environment? |
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| 09:56.54 | dondelelcaro | mrverbose: . /etc/environment |
| 09:56.54 | fireba11 | kevix: yay for apt-get moo |
| 09:57.14 | liable | i dont fucking believe it, i may have finally fixed my laptop modem problem with pabx's :) |
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| 09:57.38 | mrverbose | dondelelcaro: doesnt help unfortunateley |
| 09:57.50 | fireba11 | liable: don't celebrate too early ;-) |
| 09:58.07 | kevix | liable: could you explain what is a pabx, it sounds useful. |
| 09:58.20 | liable | fireba11: i'm connected, so its a fairly good sign. |
| 09:58.45 | npx | either that or we're figments of your imagination |
| 09:58.58 | wols_ | kevix: local phone system |
| 09:58.58 | liable | kevix: its a phone system that most hotels/businesses use, you know, where you dial 0 to get a line.. |
| 09:59.05 | uwe | thank you everyone ... |
| 09:59.13 | uwe | i think im on the right track ! |
| 09:59.14 | wols_ | uwe: so what is it? |
| 09:59.40 | kevix | liable: pbx vs pabx? |
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| 10:00.01 | npx | yeah, it took me like a month to figure out how to script that sort of thing with chatscripts |
| 10:00.17 | npx | did you end up doing ATZ0,,,5551234 |
| 10:00.46 | uwe | wols_, a combination :) i think mainly related to tasksel ... |
| 10:00.53 | kevix | liable: like, pause, dial 9, wait, dial numer, .... |
| 10:01.03 | liable | kevix: same thing i believe, here most people call them pabx's |
| 10:01.04 | uwe | still working on getting the full image |
| 10:01.07 | liable | yes |
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| 10:01.40 | npx | liable, my modem used to always shit the bed when I'd have messages on my voicemail and it'd beep for a couple seconds before it got a dial tone |
| 10:01.43 | kevix | liable: 'here' being... |
| 10:01.45 | npx | that drove me insane. |
| 10:01.52 | groton | hello all! what is c102 and c2a :) which are the latest package with the new ABI? |
| 10:01.57 | liable | kevix: .au |
| 10:02.15 | jm_ | groton: dpkg --compare-versions will help you find out |
| 10:02.22 | groton | thanks |
| 10:02.29 | liable | npx: works great except for hotel lines, and has been the only reason i have kept windows on my laptop.. |
| 10:02.38 | kevix | liable: ok. will remember. |
| 10:02.56 | jm_ | liable: why does that have to be treated specially? |
| 10:03.26 | kevix | groton: using that tool helps so that you dont have to read throught the developers reference! |
| 10:03.27 | liable | jm_: through a pabx? |
| 10:03.33 | jm_ | liable: yes |
| 10:03.47 | groton | i cant use that command, which are the arguments? |
| 10:04.12 | groton | it says: <version> <relation> <version>.. but i do not see where i could provide the package name :\ |
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| 10:04.38 | dondelelcaro | groton: the package name doesn't matter. |
| 10:04.39 | kevix | groton: dpkg --compare-version c102 > c2a |
| 10:05.00 | dondelelcaro | groton: and compare versions won't tell you about that at all... |
| 10:05.02 | liable | jm_: turns out v34 works while my modem i guess uses v90 usually. would always fail with carrier check errors. just got a nice pdf from one of the linmodems guys, gonna have a bit more of a play around and try and actually understand it. |
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| 10:05.14 | groton | bash: c2a: Permission denied |
| 10:05.24 | dondelelcaro | kevix: you want '>' |
| 10:05.29 | groton | ok |
| 10:05.50 | jm_ | liable: ahh so all it needs is a different init string then |
| 10:05.54 | groton | wow, the output is empty :) |
| 10:06.04 | jm_ | man page explains how to use it ... |
| 10:06.05 | liable | jm_: yep, appears so. |
| 10:07.14 | kevix | dondelelcaro: I would assume you need to check the error code for the comparison |
| 10:07.29 | dondelelcaro | kevix: you do, but you want '>' there, not the redirection. |
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| 10:07.50 | kevix | dondelelcaro: would you need to \> ? |
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| 10:07.59 | kevix | dondelelcaro: would you need to \< ? |
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| 10:08.07 | dondelelcaro | kevix: same difference. |
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| 10:08.43 | kevix | groton: are you familiar with checking error codes from commands? |
| 10:09.04 | Eulex | hmm, strange. my cd drive was just mounted, but it didn't contain and cd :) |
| 10:09.37 | kevix | Eulex: you dont mount regular music cds |
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| 10:10.10 | Eulex | kevix, I know that. s/and/any/, btw |
| 10:10.47 | kevix | Eulex: oh. you mean the drive was empty, and 'something' mounted the empty drive! |
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| 10:11.00 | bony | hi all yesterday i was in the room trying to solve a problem with garbage output on the text terminal |
| 10:11.18 | bony | TBBle helped me but that wasn't enough |
| 10:11.23 | kevix | bony: you just type 'reset' and hit return. |
| 10:12.00 | dondelelcaro | alternatively, C-l in many programs will repaint the screen |
| 10:12.03 | Eulex | kevix, I had had a cd in it before, which I had taken out. then some time later I couldn't open the drive, so I checked with mount and saw that it still was mounted, despite that it had no disc inside it |
| 10:12.39 | bony | can it did not solve the problem well the problem is that when ever i switch to text terminal with M-F1 or M-F2 some unwanted data start's scrolling on the screen about eth1 |
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| 10:12.47 | kevix | Eulex: odd. I thought if you mount a cd, it locks the drive? |
| 10:12.49 | bony | reset |
| 10:13.04 | dondelelcaro | !tell bony -about printk |
| 10:13.05 | bony | kevix: nothing happen'd ? |
| 10:13.08 | Eulex | kevix, yes it does, but it didn't seem to do that in this case |
| 10:13.18 | dondelelcaro | bony: see what dpkg told you... |
| 10:14.15 | bony | dondelelcaro: it refered me to proc.txt in kernel source directory |
| 10:14.15 | kevix | bony: those are message from the kernel to the console. you need to adjust setting for them to stop. |
| 10:14.22 | Eulex | kevix, I had *lots* of "kernel: VFS: busy inodes on changed media." in my syslog, btw |
| 10:14.34 | liable | bony: also /msg dpkg klogd |
| 10:14.48 | jm_ | bony: I told you how to fix it ... |
| 10:15.11 | Eulex | gonna google for it |
| 10:15.26 | kevix | Eulex: I guess I dont know about this error x-( |
| 10:15.53 | bony | jm_: you asked me to check /msg dpkg printk console which gave no out put |
| 10:16.03 | kevix | Eulex: are you using gnome? |
| 10:16.04 | jm_ | bony: and told you to ask apt about it |
| 10:16.28 | bony | jm_ i did that too but no use of it |
| 10:16.31 | Eulex | kevix, nope, but I'm using gnome-volume-manager |
| 10:17.02 | jm_ | bony: funny how it helped tens of users before you then |
| 10:17.27 | kevix | Eulex: ok. that may be what is making the 'noise'. IIRC there is also a inotify library that look for media event. |
| 10:17.53 | jeb- | I'm trying to loadlin-boot up a sarge netinstall with the following options: vga=normal initrd=initrd.gz ramdisk_size=9424 root=/dev/rd/0 devfs=mount,dall rw --. It starts to load but then dies... |
| 10:18.00 | Eulex | kevix, hmm, ok |
| 10:18.10 | bony | ok now i understand what the problem is but how to solve it that is what can i do to stop those values comming on to the screen what are the files with i have to confiure in such a way that i can stop it happening cause i installed logcheck which send's me a mail to my e-mail every hour and in that main 95% of it is nothing but these lines ? |
| 10:18.32 | bony | jm_ i will try again |
| 10:19.25 | jm_ | bony: to get rid of the lines showing up in logs, you have to change your firewall rules, this setting is only for printing them on console |
| 10:19.38 | Eulex | kevix, it may also have something do with that I'm using quite experimental drivers for atapi over sata and I'm also using suspend2. those errors started coming right after the resume after hibernate. |
| 10:20.38 | kevix | Eulex: maybe the experimental drivers add extra 'debug' info to help fix them? |
| 10:21.02 | Eulex | kevix, sadly, they don't |
| 10:21.27 | kevix | Eulex: you may want to check the bts or email the maintainer? |
| 10:22.01 | Eulex | kevix, I'll do that if I'm able to reproduce. gonna put a cd into the drive and mount it every time I hibernate from now on. |
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| 10:22.29 | bony | kevix: can you please help me in adjusting the setting so that i can stop those messages from comming on to the console ? |
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| 10:23.05 | kevix | bony: they are in /etc/syslog.conf although, I've never changed mine. |
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| 10:23.30 | locus | hello, is there an easy way to forcefully reinstall all packages on my system? |
| 10:23.32 | bony | kevix: is it dangers ? |
| 10:23.37 | Eulex | !reinstall |
| 10:23.37 | dpkg | methinks reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 10:23.43 | Eulex | locus, ^^ |
| 10:24.11 | kevix | bony: well I'd read 'man syslog.conf' and make a backup copy just in case! |
| 10:24.45 | locus | Eulex, thanks...lets see if that will restore my /usr/lib ;) |
| 10:26.13 | Eulex | locus, it will, if those programs are still able to run without having a /usr/lib, that is |
| 10:26.24 | locus | i guess /usr/lib also contains lots of system libraries? |
| 10:26.29 | bony | kevix: i will give a try then and one more thing few month's back my system was working fine that is it was fast but now it has slowed down so much that even to start wajig (package managing tool) it takes some 5 sec and when i start evolution it almost take a coffee brake and not only these app's but most of the app's take very long to get opened |
| 10:26.51 | locus | Eulex, i already restored the ones needed by apt/dpkg manually |
| 10:27.01 | Eulex | locus, ah, ok |
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| 10:28.49 | fireba11 | locus: how the hell did you loose /var/lib ? |
| 10:28.57 | fireba11 | eh .. user |
| 10:29.35 | bony | and also dose any one knows how to make transperent windows and terminal ? |
| 10:30.15 | bony | i have seen lot of screenshot's of transperent windows and terminals but did not now were to start from |
| 10:30.16 | locus | fireba11, tried to make a .deb on my own..and the rules file contained a line like 'rm -rf $tmp/usr/lib' in the clean target and i forgot to define $tmp ;) |
| 10:30.18 | Eulex | bony, composite. |
| 10:30.30 | fireba11 | locus: dang ;-) |
| 10:30.36 | Eulex | bony, what video card? what driver? |
| 10:30.37 | jm_ | locus: don't do it as root |
| 10:30.44 | dondelelcaro | locus: this is why fakeroot exists... |
| 10:30.48 | bony | nvdia 64 mb |
| 10:30.59 | dondelelcaro | (and also why you use pbuilder) |
| 10:31.15 | dondelelcaro | although, it wouldn't help with the clean target... |
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| 10:31.19 | bony | Eulex: nvidia 64 mb and nvidia 128 mb video card (there are two systems) |
| 10:31.20 | locus | dondelelcaro, well i used 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' |
| 10:31.29 | dondelelcaro | locus: as a normal user? |
| 10:31.49 | locus | dondelelcaro, nope and I wont do it as root again ;) |
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| 10:32.08 | Eulex | bony, then you need to get the proprietary binary nvidia driver, and enable composite in your xorg.conf (yes, you'll need xorg, xfree86 won't do) and then run a window manager that has a composite manager built in or xcompmgr if you don't use a window manager that does that. |
| 10:32.15 | locus | well im not actually a deb guy so I don't know whats the best way to do it |
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| 10:33.47 | IdahoEv | I have $100 for the first person who can solve my problem email headers and debian / exim4. I'm just inexperienced with email and MTAs, and I am desperate to make this deadline. |
| 10:34.06 | bony | Eulex: i installed nvidia drivers which were available on nvidia's site and xorg is the xserver my system is sid (unstable debian) can you give me the package name which i have to install in order to get composite |
| 10:34.17 | Zugschlus | IdahoEv: afaik, you have not even been able to express your wishes yet |
| 10:34.25 | IdahoEv | getting there |
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| 10:34.29 | Zugschlus | so, $100 for a mind reading job is severely underpaid |
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| 10:35.03 | adn | hello everyone |
| 10:35.10 | dondelelcaro | Zugschlus: dunno... if there's no accuracy requirement, it may be fairly trivial... |
| 10:35.20 | Eulex | bony, enable composite in you xorg.conf, then you need a composite manager, for example xcompmgr. then some window managers include their own composite managers |
| 10:35.25 | adn | please do you know what is the sarge equivalent of rescue root=/dev/hda1 in the installer? |
| 10:35.39 | fireba11 | IdahoEv: tell us details then :-) |
| 10:35.40 | IdahoEv | I am trying to pipe emails into a script where I will rewrite the headers and pipe them back to exim4 for delivery to different addresses. |
| 10:35.53 | Zugschlus | dondelelcaro: you have been around long enough to know that the customers that don't give exact specs are the first ones to complain if they imagined things being done differently. |
| 10:36.10 | IdahoEv | The emails will be in mime multipart, with HTML, attachments, images, etc. |
| 10:36.13 | dondelelcaro | Zugschlus: sure, but that's why I don't charge flat rates |
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| 10:36.44 | IdahoEv | At the moment I am testing it by saving the messages to a file, and editing the headers with a text editor |
| 10:36.51 | dondelelcaro | IdahoEv: why do you need to rewrite the headers? just send the message on with sendmail fooaddress; |
| 10:36.54 | fireba11 | IdahoEv: why are you trying to mess with the headers ? |
| 10:37.23 | IdahoEv | because the messages need to be resent to addresses which are queried from a database, and those queries change all the time. |
| 10:37.26 | dondelelcaro | (or set up an alias in exim4 or similar...) |
| 10:37.44 | jm_ | adn: Sarge media can't be used like that |
| 10:37.54 | adn | jm_: oh! |
| 10:38.05 | IdahoEv | my client sends her messages to a different set of addresses every time - she micromanages her email marketing to the tiniest detail. |
| 10:38.11 | dondelelcaro | adn: the equivalent is to boot off of the installer, drop to a console, mount /dev/hda1, chroot, and do whatever you need. |
| 10:38.18 | jeb- | I'm trying to loadlin-boot up a sarge netinstall with the following options: vga=normal initrd=initrd.gz ramdisk_size=9424 root=/dev/rd/0 devfs=mount,dall rw --. It starts to load but then dies... WHY!? |
| 10:38.19 | adn | dondelelcaro: ok, thank you |
| 10:38.25 | IdahoEv | So I have the system for her to build custom queries so she can send her email to exactly the right combination of addresses. |
| 10:38.41 | IdahoEv | And I can get the email into my script where i can query those addresses. |
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| 10:39.08 | dondelelcaro | IdahoEv: so? get the addresses, and write using sendmail. In any event, it sure seems like you're sending out spam, which is something that we're not interested in supporting here. |
| 10:39.22 | Zugschlus | IdahoEv: you are aware that e-mail recipients are not in the headers? |
| 10:39.26 | fireba11 | IdahoEv: then you could just take the contents of the mail, and have the script send it out to all adresses in question, right ? |
| 10:40.02 | bony | Eulex: i can't find any thing like xcompmgr or composite :-( |
| 10:40.05 | fireba11 | IdahoEv: also, i'm a bit suspicious about what that would be used for .. ^^ |
| 10:40.08 | IdahoEv | Zugschlus: no, actually I am *not* aware that recipients are not in the headers. As I said, I do not know much about email. |
| 10:40.23 | IdahoEv | at least not on this level |
| 10:41.25 | IdahoEv | fireba11: I can tell you the full story about why my client wants this ridiculous email capabilities if you're really interested. It's things like she sends her product list quarterly. But she wants to send it to east coast addresses 2 hours earlier, because she believes people are more likely to read it if it arrives between 8 and 9 a.m. |
| 10:41.35 | IdahoEv | She's insane, of course |
| 10:41.47 | fireba11 | hehe |
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| 10:42.18 | fireba11 | IdahoEv: what about my suggestion then ? have the script strip out the content of the e-mail and re-send as a new mail ? |
| 10:42.22 | adn | and please do you know how to know how to know the disk to boot on, as I can't find any /dev/hd* nor /dev/sd* nor /dev/md0 |
| 10:42.22 | Eulex | bony, xcompmgr is in the xcompmgr package |
| 10:42.36 | IdahoEv | fireba11: that is precisely what i want to do |
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| 10:42.51 | IdahoEv | I don't know how to do it and make it work. |
| 10:43.25 | fireba11 | IdahoEv: why do you get the message in question via mail in the first place ? that just makes things complicated |
| 10:43.36 | Eulex | bony, look at http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Transparency for info on how to enable composite |
| 10:43.47 | adn | /dev/disk ? |
| 10:43.47 | IdahoEv | Right now I am capturing the emails into a string, stripping the headers with regex, and writing new ones (only from:, return-path:, to: and subject: ) and piping it back to /usr/sbin/sendmail. |
| 10:44.13 | jm_ | IdahoEv: formail can be use to replace headers |
| 10:44.25 | IdahoEv | i get the message via mail because she insists on composing it in MS Outlook |
| 10:44.28 | kevix | IdahoEv: headers are from line #1 to the first blank line |
| 10:44.33 | sep | IdahoEv, but why cant she just send it during the night. ?? then people will get it at 8 when they come to work ? it's not guaranteed it will arrive just after beeing sent anyway.. |
| 10:44.51 | IdahoEv | and she inststs her detailed formatting be preserved *exactly* |
| 10:45.24 | fireba11 | IdahoEv: ouch |
| 10:45.35 | IdahoEv | and I can't think of any other way of guaranteeing that than to receive the message as she sends it from outlook and resend it without touching the content |
| 10:45.40 | kevix | sep: email is asynchronus. you send it now and folks read it when every they want. |
| 10:45.47 | sep | kevix, exactly |
| 10:45.58 | IdahoEv | kevix: tell me about it. I know this, you know this. She will not hear it. |
| 10:46.09 | IdahoEv | She micromanages other things, too. |
| 10:46.42 | IdahoEv | For example, many of her clients are members of the AAA network, others are members of Vacation.com. (She markets to travel agents). |
| 10:46.42 | kevix | IdahoEv: you can compose the email and have a cron job send it! |
| 10:47.44 | IdahoEv | So she wants to be able to, for example, send her newsletter to the AAA people with the subject "Spring newsletter for AAA members" and to Vacation.com agents with the subject "Spring newsletter for VCOM members" because she believes that level of "personalization" will make them more likely to read it. |
| 10:47.55 | IdahoEv | My problem is with composing the email correctly |
| 10:48.21 | IdahoEv | right now I caputer the email, strip the headers, and write new From:, To:, and Subject headers based on the database query. |
| 10:48.25 | bony | Eulex: i found some packages which tell something about xcomposite, xdamage, xfixes i will find more info about this in the link which you gave and also on x.org thanks for give the hint :-) |
| 10:48.32 | IdahoEv | and then I pipe it back to /usr/sbin/sendmail. |
| 10:48.46 | kevix | IdahoEv: compose it with 'tokens' that can be replaced: %N = name |
| 10:48.57 | IdahoEv | But most of the messages are never delivered. Only a few of them ever arrive, and I cannot figure out why. |
| 10:49.15 | Eulex | IdahoEv, checked the logs? |
| 10:49.45 | IdahoEv | logs report normal delivery for all messages |
| 10:49.52 | IdahoEv | exim seems happy |
| 10:49.58 | kevix | IdahoEv: there are perl and other languages that have modules for composing correct mime email. |
| 10:50.19 | sep | IdahoEv, well you can't know what reciver do with it. it's probably labeled spam and discarded acordingly :) |
| 10:50.23 | kevix | IdahoEv: maybe its on their end, firewall, aol users? |
| 10:50.24 | IdahoEv | but messages I've saved from outlook (and rewritten the headers) deliver into gmail inboxes .... but not any other boxes i send to |
| 10:50.54 | IdahoEv | messages I've captured from Apple Mail.app and rewritten deliver to many other boxes, but not all |
| 10:51.08 | IdahoEv | none of them ever bounce |
| 10:51.17 | fireba11 | IdahoEv: so you probably messed up the headers and most servers discard invalid email |
| 10:51.25 | IdahoEv | exactly. |
| 10:51.27 | kevix | IdahoEv: see if you can 'imitate' those emails? |
| 10:51.39 | IdahoEv | But I don't know enough about email headers to have any idea what i am doing wrong |
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| 10:52.11 | kevix | IdahoEv: have you investigated any email composition langauge modules? |
| 10:52.58 | IdahoEv | I've spent about 75 hours the last two weeks on such things |
| 10:53.10 | IdahoEv | Mostly in PHP, because that's what the rest of my system is written in |
| 10:53.52 | IdahoEv | But nearly all are focussed on disassembling messages into components for processing, or for composing new ones from scratch |
| 10:54.06 | IdahoEv | all I need to do is resend a message, unchanged, to other addresses |
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| 10:55.15 | IdahoEv | So for example, when I take an Outlook message with these headers: http://pastebin.com/578140 and rewrite it to these headers: http://pastebin.com/578142 it will deliver to gmail boxes but not others |
| 10:55.21 | sep | IdahoEv, if you dont know about the headers then kevix suggestion about using tokens is wise. then you dont mess up the whole header just replace a word here and there |
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| 10:55.53 | wols_ | IdahoEv: read what an mail envelope is and what a mail header |
| 10:56.14 | wols_ | mail envelope determines where mail is sent to, headers don't do squat |
| 10:56.25 | liable | hurrah for lag |
| 10:56.27 | IdahoEv | this is what i need to know |
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| 10:56.41 | wols_ | ie your header rewriting is for the posterior |
| 10:56.48 | kevix | wols_: good point! |
| 10:56.53 | Gumby | I keep getting a timeout on an IP that Ive been told by other people is indeed up. traceroute shows that its getting stopped at a specific IP that is well outside my network and possible even my ISP's network. Is it possible to somehow tell my network or a single machine to not use that IP? Ive tried multiple DNS servers also and get the same result |
| 10:57.01 | IdahoEv | got a link? googling for "mail envelope" or "token" leads to a whole lot of unrelated garbage |
| 10:57.29 | wols_ | Gumby: no |
| 10:57.32 | fireba11 | IdahoEv: you can't just remove the top 4 lines like that .. no wonder it's not working |
| 10:57.34 | wols_ | rfc822 |
| 10:57.59 | kevix | IdahoEv: you may want to 'browse' a B&N in the o'reily book section for email books. |
| 10:58.38 | Gumby | wols_: so the way I understand it is this, the packets take the route of least resistance or what is thought to be the best route from source (me) to the destination (server I am trying to reach) and no matter what DNS server I use its going to take that path? |
| 10:58.58 | Gumby | asuming the destination IP is the same? |
| 10:59.00 | IdahoEv | Hard to browse a bookstore at 3:00am, unfortunately |
| 10:59.11 | wols_ | Gumby: yes. the router on the path to the destination IP determine which path the packet takes. no one else |
| 10:59.23 | kevix | Gumby: if you packet goes to a router that give it a 'bad' route, nothing you can do. |
| 10:59.30 | wols_ | IdahoEv: rcf822. it's on that internet bookstore. open 24/7 |
| 10:59.47 | kevix | IdahoEv: maybe join the 'safari' web site? |
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| 11:00.16 | sep | Gumby, sounds awfully like you have a old reserved iana list on your firewall. the ip in question dont happen to be one of the prefixes recently released ? |
| 11:00.24 | wols_ | IdahoEv: the problem is, your newsletter is indistinguishable from spam for us |
| 11:00.25 | kevix | wols_: true enough, if you can read 'RFC' x-) |
| 11:00.36 | wols_ | which kinda makes it hard to help you |
| 11:00.37 | IdahoEv | Okay, so I've looked at rfc822 off and on. What I don't know is how to translate any of that into real-world code |
| 11:00.49 | SammyTheSnake | I'm trying to maintain a local mirror of a remote site I'm working on. I've been using wget --mirror to download the files over FTP, but wget doesn't delete from my local mirror the files that have been deleted from the remote site. Can anyone suggest a simple way to achieve this? |
| 11:00.51 | Gumby | sep: I'm not running my own nameserver. |
| 11:00.56 | IdahoEv | well, all I can do is assure you that it is opt-in. If it wasn't I wouldn't be working for her. |
| 11:01.14 | sep | Gumby, who is talking about nameservers ? |
| 11:01.16 | wols_ | Gumby: you do. /etc/hosts is yours |
| 11:01.22 | kevix | SammyTheSnake: over write option in wget ? |
| 11:01.23 | jm_ | SammyTheSnake: mirror command in lftp has an option to do so |
| 11:01.23 | Gumby | sep: it may be a machine on my ISP's network. I have tried it from two locations but both locations use the same ISP so |
| 11:01.27 | Gumby | wols_: well, yes. |
| 11:01.35 | wols_ | SammyTheSnake: rsync |
| 11:02.05 | SammyTheSnake | wols_: I don't think the remote server has (or is likely to get) rsync support, sadly |
| 11:02.13 | Gumby | sep: one locates I have a iptables firewall and the other is a hardware router. I dont think its a firewall issue. The ip in question is redhat.com |
| 11:02.35 | SammyTheSnake | jm_: I couldn't see it in the man page, maybe I'm being dim. I don't suppose you recall what the option was called, do you? |
| 11:02.45 | jm_ | SammyTheSnake: help mirror |
| 11:02.47 | Fox | SammyTheSnake: use lftp mirror capabilities, with -e flag or something like that |
| 11:03.09 | Fox | SammyTheSnake: -e, --delete delete files not present at remote site |
| 11:03.23 | IdahoEv | So, if you don't specify a recipient by putting them in a To: or cc: header, how do you do it? And then why does it work, sometimes, when I do that? |
| 11:04.29 | kevix | IdahoEv: i'd look at the example that worked and figure out what they did and try a few things until it worked. USING A TEST account! |
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| 11:05.01 | SammyTheSnake | Fox: that option isn't in the manual I get here :s now that's puzzling |
| 11:05.25 | SammyTheSnake | I'm using GNU Wget 1.10.2 as provided by debian testing |
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| 11:06.05 | Fox | SammyTheSnake: that option even exists on woody |
| 11:06.41 | Eulex | Fox, on wget from testing, -e means the same as --execute. and there is no --delete |
| 11:06.46 | SammyTheSnake | Fox: I see an -e option, but it's for executing a configuration option |
| 11:07.05 | Fox | no, not the lftp -e, lftp's mirror -e !! |
| 11:07.14 | SammyTheSnake | Aaah! |
| 11:07.26 | IdahoEv | I've been doing that for *hours* ... making small variations to headers, sending to all sorts of different accounts. The more headers I delete, the larger the fraction of the messages end up arriving. |
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| 11:08.19 | IdahoEv | When I reduce it to nothing but From: To: Subject: Date and content-type:, mail that was originally written in anything other than outlook delivers pretty well. |
| 11:08.23 | Eulex | IdahoEv, you probably need to preserve the Recieved: headers and append your own server to it in some way. |
| 11:08.33 | kevix | IdahoEv: are you trying to improve things or are you on a deadline? |
| 11:09.00 | fireba11 | Eulex: yes .. told him that 5 minutes ago already ;-) |
| 11:09.15 | Eulex | fireba11, :) |
| 11:09.31 | IdahoEv | i am 4 months past a deadline |
| 11:09.41 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 11:09.48 | IdahoEv | or rather, i haven't been paid in 4 months and won't until i manage to satisfy these people |
| 11:10.05 | Fox | burn them :) |
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| 11:10.13 | andrownz | it's such a shame to download something on sf.net now ... not less than 5 or 6 pages to browse through |
| 11:10.29 | kevix | IdahoEv: I look in to the oreily book when you have a chance. |
| 11:10.36 | IdahoEv | yeah |
| 11:11.50 | fireba11 | IdahoEv: you need to amke sure your headers are still RFC-compliant or the mail will probably not get delivered anywhere |
| 11:11.52 | SammyTheSnake | Fox: That looks like my friend, thanks for the pointer! :) |
| 11:11.54 | IdahoEv | i just .... i can't believe how much trouble i have had just trying to learn how to redirect an email message via a script while preserving formatting. It seems bizarre to me that I've spent 80+ hours googling, reading, studying, etc. and only gotten things that work part of the time at best. |
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| 11:12.09 | Fox | SammyTheSnake: urw |
| 11:12.22 | darth_chatri | are program crashes common in sid? |
| 11:12.44 | Eulex | darth_chatri, anything in particular you're thinking of? |
| 11:12.55 | darth_chatri | kde apps are crashing pretty often |
| 11:12.56 | IdahoEv | I'm sorry for sharing the frustration with you all ... i've just been at this a long time, and the client has been screaming at me for weeks without paying me anything. |
| 11:12.59 | SammyTheSnake | darth_chatri: I used sid for a while and didn't find it massively more unstable than testing, but there was a noticeable difference |
| 11:13.19 | SammyTheSnake | darth_chatri: windows was still considerably less stable last time I used it (XP, IIRC) |
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| 11:13.28 | biloti | Hi. Does anyone know why a device is not created when I plug my pendrive if I have udev installed? I also have hotplug enabled and working as well as gnome-volume-manager. |
| 11:13.40 | Eulex | darth_chatri, checked the bts? also, have you run the offending programs in a term to see what they print when they crash? |
| 11:13.45 | kevix | IdahoEv: the book is called: programming internet email by oreily |
| 11:13.52 | IdahoEv | And dealing with conflicting information ... like one person says the problem may be that headers aren't RFC-compliant, while another says that headers have nothing to do with recipients at all. |
| 11:14.07 | darth_chatri | Eulex: whats bts? |
| 11:14.14 | kevix | !bts |
| 11:14.14 | Eulex | !btssmite darth_chatri |
| 11:14.14 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 11:14.38 | fireba11 | IdahoEv: sorry, my fault ... did not mean the whole header but the delivery information if course |
| 11:15.23 | IdahoEv | no, it's okay. I'm just confused, and surprised that email is so much harder/more complex than RDBMS coding (which was a lot easier to learn) |
| 11:16.00 | kevix | biloti: I ususaly check /var/log/messages to see if it found the usb device. |
| 11:16.08 | wols_ | IdahoEv: just one thing: you do NOT need to even touch the headers. all you need to do is connect to port25 and feed proper mail from: rcpt to: and data |
| 11:16.12 | wols_ | nothing else |
| 11:16.31 | wols_ | email is a mess, and it sucks. bigtime |
| 11:16.45 | biloti | kevix : I did that and no device /dev/sda? was created |
| 11:16.48 | kevix | IdahoEv: make sure to create a HOWTO after your adventure! |
| 11:17.25 | wols_ | kevix: no need. what he needs to do is dead easy. that every spammer out there can do is proof enough of its easiness |
| 11:17.28 | kevix | biloti: did /var/log/messages show anything relating to usb activity? |
| 11:17.41 | kevix | wols_: x-) |
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| 11:17.55 | darth_chatri | Eulex: both my bugs are present in the buglist |
| 11:17.56 | wols_ | maybe I was wrong, with a insane client like his it would be good to change the To: header for comsetic reasons |
| 11:18.01 | wols_ | but that's about it |
| 11:18.11 | Eulex | darth_chatri, ok, there you go. |
| 11:18.21 | biloti | It does indeed: |
| 11:18.23 | biloti | Mar 1 08:07:06 caruara kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5 |
| 11:18.25 | biloti | Mar 1 08:07:07 caruara kernel: scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 11:18.26 | biloti | Mar 1 08:07:07 caruara kernel: usb-storage: device found at 5 |
| 11:18.28 | biloti | Mar 1 08:07:07 caruara kernel: usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning |
| 11:18.29 | biloti | Mar 1 08:07:07 caruara usb.agent[5299]: usb-storage: already loaded |
| 11:18.31 | biloti | Mar 1 08:07:12 caruara kernel: Vendor: Kingston Model: DataTraveler 2.0 Rev: 4.10 |
| 11:18.32 | biloti | Mar 1 08:07:12 caruara kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 |
| 11:18.34 | biloti | Mar 1 08:07:12 caruara kernel: usb-storage: device scan complete |
| 11:18.35 | biloti | but no device at end is created... |
| 11:18.36 | Eulex | biloti, STOP |
| 11:18.37 | wols_ | biloti: fuck off! |
| 11:18.47 | fireba11 | IdahoEv: usually noone would ever doing somethinglike you try right now ... most clients are sane enough to have a system generate their mails correctly from the start, not re-write them afterwards |
| 11:18.52 | Eulex | !tell biloti about pastebin |
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| 11:19.16 | IdahoEv | wols_: okay, can you clarify that last bit for me? I open a connection to 25 on, say, my own local server, and just print() two lines "From: address@server.com" , "rcpt to: address@server.com", and then pipe in the same thing i captured in my input pipe from procmail? |
| 11:19.29 | wols_ | fireba11: and there are about a gazillion "bulkmailers" out there for windows/outlook |
| 11:19.31 | darth_chatri | Eulex: who tries to solve the bugs? anyway to help? |
| 11:19.39 | wols_ | IdahoEv: no |
| 11:19.44 | biloti | sorry guys, I just look for help |
| 11:19.49 | wols_ | read rfc822 there it's explained what to do |
| 11:19.54 | Eulex | darth_chatri, the package maintaines do. and anyone interested. feel free to help them. |
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| 11:20.01 | IdahoEv | biloti, use pastebin.com for blocks of content like that |
| 11:20.06 | wols_ | you also need ehlo, and you don't need "from:" you need "mail from:" |
| 11:20.21 | IdahoEv | i will definitely write a howto |
| 11:20.22 | kevix | darth_chatri: if you have an answer, you send them patches. |
| 11:20.24 | Eulex | *maintainers |
| 11:20.27 | biloti | ok. Now I am aware, I will do it |
| 11:20.29 | wols_ | plus, after each line the MTA will answer you either with a OK or a "error" |
| 11:20.33 | wols_ | pretty much like http |
| 11:21.22 | kevix | wols_: reminds me of how 'fetchmail -v' outputs |
| 11:21.33 | Zugschlus | IdahoEv: I would suggest having a router which re-routes the message appropriately. Or use a mailing list software |
| 11:22.22 | IdahoEv | i already have about ~2000 lines of PHP code to contribute to PEAR, because the Mail_mime and Mail_mimeDecode objects can (1) compose mime messages and (2) extract content from mime messages but the latter cannot produce the same kind of objects that the former uses; it's a total debacle |
| 11:22.29 | fireba11 | IdahoEv: a complete different try would be send the mail to a dummy adress and have it forwarded to a bunch of people ... then you just need to have that list updated |
| 11:22.43 | darth_chatri | just to get started, is there any program that automates report generation for kde programs? i'm not quite sure what kde crash handler does |
| 11:22.46 | biloti | kevix: http://pastebin.com/578171 |
| 11:23.04 | IdahoEv | Client already shot down mailing list softtware six months ago: I tried. She micromanages her distribution to such a degree that she really never uses the same distribution list twice. |
| 11:23.22 | IdahoEv | Every single mail she sends is to a customized list, with a custom subject. |
| 11:24.03 | IdahoEv | Iv'e built her a very nice select form that lets her filter the database by all kinds of crazy queries |
| 11:24.17 | bartden | hi, i have a little problem with alsa, each time i reboot i have to do a alsaconf and reselect the snd-intel8x0 modules, those modules are automaticlly loaded when i reboot, bt my sound just wont work, and yes i did a alsactl store , but it wont save my settings |
| 11:25.00 | IdahoEv | and what I gave her three months ago lets her output a comma-separated list of addresses from her query, she can cut and paste that into outlook |
| 11:25.03 | fireba11 | IdahoEv: then just have that query written to a file ... and if she sends her mail to a dummy adress its redirected to all adresses in taht file .. that's not that hard |
| 11:25.44 | Zugschlus | you could even use a redirect router which accesses the database to generate the recipient list |
| 11:25.57 | kevix | biloti: not sure, did you try 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdisk' |
| 11:26.08 | IdahoEv | Of course then she complains that it takes outlook 4 hours to send all the messages, she wants the server to do it |
| 11:26.25 | biloti | kevix: there is no /dev/sda1 since udev is installed |
| 11:26.27 | IdahoEv | yeah, i've considered outputting files of email addresses and basically using them like .forwards or such |
| 11:26.36 | IdahoEv | distribution lists I invoke through procmail |
| 11:27.00 | IdahoEv | But the queries change all the time - she makes dozens of edits to her DB every day. |
| 11:27.24 | IdahoEv | But, it may still be the best way |
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| 11:27.57 | jm_ | bartden: what is actually your problem? |
| 11:27.58 | kevix | biloti: do other usb disks work, how about usb mouse? |
| 11:28.05 | IdahoEv | Someone on another channel suggested header rewriting and piping back to exim earlier today, i got excited becakse that seemed so easy. alas. :-) |
| 11:28.15 | biloti | kevin: my usb camera works |
| 11:28.28 | IdahoEv | anyway, you guys have given me the most helpful advice in a long time. |
| 11:28.53 | kevix | biloti: not sure, maybe try asking on debian-user mailing list x-) |
| 11:29.14 | biloti | kevix: I will. Thanx |
| 11:29.31 | kevix | IdahoEv: and all for the rediculously low price of .... 9.99! |
| 11:29.54 | IdahoEv | kevix, Eulex, fireba11, wols_ in particular if you PM me an email address I will split that cash i mentioned between you in thanks for spending so much time hashing this out with me |
| 11:29.55 | Zugschlus | IdahoEv: http://www.nabble.com/Exim-+-MySQL-+-Aliases-t1115839.html might help you in writing the redirect router |
| 11:30.09 | IdahoEv | Zugschlus - you too |
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| 11:30.49 | IdahoEv | (And I promise not to add you to my client's marketing list) :-) |
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| 11:31.10 | kevix | IdahoEv: more spam, ohhh. |
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| 11:31.15 | bartden | jm_, well i installed the modules from the kernel, i have added them to /etc/modules, i have runned alsaconf and alsamixer, my sound worked correctly , i did a alsactl store, but when i reboot my sound wont work anymore (but when i do a lsmod, i see that my modules are loaded), i have to run alsaconf again, |
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| 11:31.56 | eek^ | hi everybody, how are ya? |
| 11:31.56 | dpkg | eek^: pretty good. how about you? |
| 11:32.24 | kevix | bartden: when you run alsamixer after a reboot, does it give errors? |
| 11:33.01 | jm_ | bartden: does it create asound.state file? |
| 11:33.07 | eek^ | bartden: you can use amixer command in your startup to store the settings |
| 11:33.58 | jm_ | bartman: does /etc/init.d/alsa run? |
| 11:34.34 | IdahoEv | In fairness, some of the ways she uses the system are pretty reasonable. If say Indiana makes it to the final four, she wants to send a quick message to all her associated travel agencies in that state so the have the information when people come to buy trips. (she preassembles packages of hotel/game ticket/rental car etc. that travel agents re-sell.) So the system lets her quickly generate all the emails of travel agents in that s |
| 11:34.46 | kevix | jm_: maybe he can't hear us x-) |
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| 11:35.35 | jm_ | kevix: could be |
| 11:36.16 | kevix | IdahoEv: email db->selection script-> email generation script->sendmail |
| 11:37.27 | eek^ | bartden: I use "amixer sset Headphone,0 64,64" in a startup script andsimilar for PCM and Front channel |
| 11:37.40 | IdahoEv | Yeah, I saw a few days ago that exim could query databases. But I found the documentation to be extremely obtuse, and I expected (wrongly) that it would be pretty easy to redirect the message from inside a php script where i already knew how to run the query and/or compose address strings. |
| 11:38.44 | resiak | How do I search for all packages with a particular tag? |
| 11:39.09 | eek^ | btw, why is pdo down and why does it have to go down every few months? |
| 11:39.09 | kevix | resiak: debtag? |
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| 11:39.29 | resiak | eek^: /topic |
| 11:39.37 | resiak | oh shit, it's not in the topic |
| 11:39.39 | resiak | sorry |
| 11:39.59 | eek^ | what is the advantage using "debian" other than security stuff, to a normal linux user? |
| 11:40.08 | eek^ | resiak: thx |
| 11:40.09 | kevix | eek^: its had performace issues and they dont want to bring it back up until those issue are addressed. |
| 11:40.25 | chuckyp | kevix: whatst hat? |
| 11:40.35 | resiak | kevix: Where _is_ debtag? |
| 11:40.47 | IdahoEv | right now I have it set up so that she can query and save it under a name "queryname". she mails to redirect.queryname@localserver.net, exim redirects that to a user, procmail redirects that to my script which queries for the saved "queryname" and builds a list of addresses. all that works. so... close... and yet so far. |
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| 11:40.58 | kevix | !debtag |
| 11:41.32 | Zugschlus | IdahoEv: I would create a router which triggers for redirect.*@localserver.net and issues the SQL query directly |
| 11:41.43 | IdahoEv | it's that problem of redirecting said message to that list of addresses ... have wasted two weeks on. |
| 11:41.46 | kevix | resiak: its a new taging system for packages. not the old sections tags |
| 11:41.58 | Zugschlus | IdahoEv: http://www.nabble.com/Exim-+-MySQL-+-Aliases-t1115839.html might help you in writing the redirect router |
| 11:41.58 | resiak | kevix: I know what it is. How do I search based on it |
| 11:42.05 | IdahoEv | Zugschlus - yes, i think that is what I will do. |
| 11:42.12 | IdahoEv | eventually. |
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| 11:42.34 | IdahoEv | for now I think I get to steel myself to tell her tomorrow that it still isn't working yet. |
| 11:42.45 | IdahoEv | 'cuz i gotta sleep sometime. :-) |
| 11:42.47 | kevix | !searchpackage |
| 11:42.56 | kevix | !info searchpackage |
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| 11:43.48 | kevix | resiak: apt-cache shwo searchpackage |
| 11:43.55 | kevix | resiak: apt-cache show searchpackage |
| 11:43.58 | IdahoEv | I was having a hard time finding/understanding the exim documentation for such commands as ${local_part} ${lookup etc. It's not the world's most clearly-written manual. |
| 11:44.09 | resiak | W: Unable to locate package searchpackage |
| 11:44.18 | jm_ | :) |
| 11:44.31 | kevix | resiak: apt-cache show packagesearch opps. |
| 11:44.44 | kevix | !info packagesearch |
| 11:44.49 | dpkg | packagesearch: (GUI for searching packages and viewing package information), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.6 (sid), Packaged size: 904 kB, Installed size: 2632 kB |
| 11:45.00 | resiak | kevix: Ta |
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| 11:47.14 | kevix | dpkg degtags is a new Debbian package tagging system created by Enrio Zini because the Section: info getting less helpful. |
| 11:47.15 | dpkg | okay, kevix |
| 11:47.27 | kevix | dpkg debtags is a new Debbian package tagging system created by Enrio Zini because the Section: info getting less helpful. |
| 11:47.27 | dpkg | ...but debtags is already something else... |
| 11:47.53 | kevix | dpkg whatisdebtags is a new Debbian package tagging system created by Enrio Zini because the Section: info getting less helpful. |
| 11:47.54 | dpkg | okay, kevix |
| 11:48.05 | kevix | dpkg whatisdebtags is a new Debian package tagging system created by Enrio Zini because the Section: info getting less helpful. |
| 11:48.06 | jeb- | I'm trying to do a network install with Loadlin, but all that loadlin do after that I hit ENTER is to shot away the display "..................." - and then it it freezes. any ideas? |
| 11:48.06 | dpkg | ...but whatisdebtags is already something else... |
| 11:48.40 | eek^ | what is the new sarge installer called? |
| 11:48.47 | kevix | dpkg replace |
| 11:48.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, replace is "factoid =~ s/foo/bar/" |
| 11:49.02 | eek^ | dpkg: what is the new sarge installer called? |
| 11:49.03 | dpkg | eek^: what are you talking about? |
| 11:49.07 | jm_ | eek^: there is no new Sarge installer |
| 11:49.20 | kevix | eek^: Debian-Installer |
| 11:49.27 | jm_ | jeb-: possibly try another kernel - are you doing this in DOS? |
| 11:49.38 | eek^ | jm_: there was to be a new one when sarge was to be realeased is it not? |
| 11:49.39 | jeb- | jm: yes, of course. |
| 11:49.49 | jm_ | eek^: ahh yes, kevix told you |
| 11:49.53 | eek^ | kevix: and it's different than apt or aptitude? |
| 11:50.15 | jm_ | jeb-: well that means it hangs when kernel should take over, does it load initrd too? |
| 11:50.24 | kevix | eek^: apt and aptitude are dpkg frontends, they do not install 'debian' |
| 11:51.03 | jeb- | jm: initrd is loaded, it seems. I will try some other kernel.... |
| 11:51.12 | kevix | dpkg whatisdebtags =~ s/Debbian/Debian/ |
| 11:51.13 | dpkg | kevix: OK |
| 11:51.21 | jm_ | jeb-: but I don't think Sarge has more than one, Woody had them |
| 11:51.29 | eek^ | kevix: sorry, i meant a new frontend, whats the one in sarge? |
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| 11:51.58 | kevix | eek^: the current recommended one is aptitude |
| 11:52.14 | eek^ | kevix: nice :-) |
| 11:52.24 | eek^ | ptitude is cool |
| 11:52.49 | kevix | eek^: it can even play minesweeper! |
| 11:52.49 | eek^ | apt: you shud bow to aptitude or else change your name :P |
| 11:53.12 | jeb- | jm: is possible to get woody somewhere? can't find it... |
| 11:53.19 | jm_ | jeb-: oldstable on Debian mirrors |
| 11:53.29 | jeb- | jm: ok, thanks, |
| 11:53.44 | eek^ | kevix: wow, really? I had just heard about aptitude. This makes me want to install sarge now. |
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| 11:54.30 | kevix | eek^: you are running woody? |
| 11:55.29 | IdahoEv | oh hey, just to share, at random, for fun. Another specification by my client is that she wants *all* bounces redirected to her personal email box. Even if she emails every one of her 15000 clients, she wants to get all the bounces. It's very important to her. |
| 11:55.30 | eek^ | kevix: yep, right now at work, am on a shell but @home I have a really bad net connection so still on woody |
| 11:55.58 | IdahoEv | Why, you ask? Because for any email that bounces, she calls them personally to get an update on their current email address. No, I'm not kidding. |
| 11:56.07 | IdahoEv | This is extremely important to her. |
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| 11:56.21 | dn4 | http://www.aip.org/mgr/png/images/zexplosion800.jpg |
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| 11:58.28 | Gnea | dn4: what the hell is that? |
| 11:58.47 | Gnea | eek^: newer software, security updates |
| 11:59.43 | dn4 | Gnea, That is 8 million volts discharged from a marx generator at a labratory in new mexico creating a recorded temp between 2 billion and 3 billion kelvin |
| 12:00.45 | kevix | eek^: you can download an iso at work, burn it, and take it home! |
| 12:02.00 | eek^ | kevix: bad luck for me cause I'm restricted what can download that's why I'm here on a shell. |
| 12:02.38 | eek^ | is there a command I could use to check if a PC contains an DDR RAM or SD? |
| 12:02.50 | eek^ | without opening the box? |
| 12:02.59 | kevix | eek^: maybe DMESG? |
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| 12:03.43 | nuxil | hello people |
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| 12:03.57 | Glanzmann | ?? ipw2200 |
| 12:04.07 | nuxil | what file controls what WM | DE that the pc uses? |
| 12:04.23 | Glanzmann | How do I import the keys so that packages can be verified? |
| 12:04.29 | nuxil | ! display manager tho |
| 12:04.45 | jm_ | nuxil: it dpends how you start X server |
| 12:04.59 | nuxil | startx |
| 12:05.08 | eek^ | kevix: no there in dmesg |
| 12:05.31 | nuxil | jm_ startx starts kde up |
| 12:05.45 | jm_ | that relies on alternatives - x-session-manager, or if that doesn't exist x-window-manager, or x-terminal-emulator |
| 12:05.49 | jm_ | nuxil: ^^^ |
| 12:05.50 | kevix | nuxil: what is in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 12:06.04 | jm_ | nuxil: it also honours ~/.xsession |
| 12:06.06 | nuxil | kevix i sayd ! display manager |
| 12:06.21 | eek^ | kevix: is there someone who could burn me sarge iso and send? |
| 12:06.49 | kevix | eek^: there are stores that sell it cheap! cheapbytes.com ? |
| 12:07.14 | eek^ | kevix: need to find one in my country then |
| 12:07.20 | nuxil | jm_ ok thxz,, i'll sniff into thouse files |
| 12:07.25 | nuxil | :P |
| 12:07.26 | kevix | eek^: how about local linux users group? |
| 12:08.16 | Gnea | damn someone keeps tripping over an ethernet cable somewhere |
| 12:08.53 | Gnea | somewhere between chicago and new york |
| 12:08.55 | eek^ | kevix: i don't know amuch about LUGS, do they sell such stuff? |
| 12:10.33 | Gnea | nope, in chicago |
| 12:10.38 | kevix | eek^: where do you live? uk, usa, .in,.es ? |
| 12:10.50 | eek^ | kevix: .in |
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| 12:11.30 | stjepan | how does fglrx (64bit) work with modular X (xorg7)? Anyone tried it? |
| 12:11.52 | locus | are there any OS files (not from packages) installed in /usr/lib? If yes, is there a way to reinstall them using dist-upgrade maybe? |
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| 12:12.34 | kevix | eek^: I see bombay, deli, managlore, kochi, howrah ... are these near you? |
| 12:13.14 | eek^ | kevix: mangalore |
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| 12:13.49 | jm_ | is that near Bangalore? |
| 12:14.04 | eek^ | jm_: no |
| 12:15.06 | kevix | eek^: it seem to meet at balmatta, mangalore in an IBM building. |
| 12:15.34 | eek^ | kevix: and going there is without a ticket or registration etc? |
| 12:15.49 | eek^ | kevix: i mean some kidn of passs etc needed? |
| 12:16.05 | jm_ | eek^: you need to sacrify a goat for the first time! |
| 12:16.30 | kevix | eek^: http://www.linux-mangalore.org for all info. someone there should be nice and make you a copy! x-) |
| 12:16.37 | eek^ | jm_ ack! i'm a brahmin! |
| 12:16.49 | eek^ | kevix: thx :-) |
| 12:17.12 | jm_ | eek^: pardon my ignorance, but I don't know what that implies |
| 12:17.27 | kevix | eek^: Debian is starting to improve its indic language support. the next installer will support these. |
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| 12:17.36 | eek^ | jm_: in simple terms, a pure veg. |
| 12:18.08 | eek^ | kevix: that would be absolutely great for us. Many could use it in that case, who do not know much English. |
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| 12:18.22 | eek^ | kevix: can indic be used on a console? |
| 12:18.27 | jm_ | eek^: ohh, then you'd have no problem sacrificing goats unless you have a problem touching it ;) |
| 12:18.58 | eek^ | jm_: hehe, that's a bigger crime for a brahmin |
| 12:19.16 | eek^ | jm_: search "brahmin" on google |
| 12:19.32 | jm_ | eek^: yeah, reading now |
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| 12:20.38 | eek^ | jm_: googlism.com might be better? |
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| 12:21.18 | eek^ | kevix: thanks for the link, i'll find out how to get a CD set from soneone nearby. |
| 12:21.32 | eek^ | gotta leave noqw |
| 12:22.19 | locus | sorry to bug again..but does anyone know if the debian base distro installs any files in /usr/lib? |
| 12:22.19 | kevix | eek^: google for 'jaldhar vyas' he is the one to ask! |
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| 12:22.57 | fluxdude | can anyone recommend a good way to storing and managing company contact information? We've already got egroupware but the contact management in that isn't great... |
| 12:22.59 | jm_ | locus: are you joking? |
| 12:24.54 | jm_ | fluxdude: you could store them in LDAP |
| 12:25.09 | locus | jm_, yes, thats why I'm asking ;) no, I'm not joking...I don't know where debian installs its core files and whats handled by packages |
| 12:25.12 | Bogaurd | uh oh... my firewall is complaining that: WARNING: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_masq_udp_dloose does not exist! |
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| 12:25.57 | muhoo | what is the bash command to strip off the file extension? |
| 12:26.01 | jm_ | locus: to find out list the contents of packages in section base |
| 12:26.08 | muhoo | i came across it years ago, forgot to write it down. |
| 12:26.12 | jm_ | muhoo: basename |
| 12:26.30 | v1c3 | hi all |
| 12:26.35 | muhoo | jm_: no |
| 12:26.36 | wols_ | locus: it installs stuff to both /lib/ and /usr/lib |
| 12:26.38 | jm_ | muhoo: yes |
| 12:26.52 | muhoo | jm_: basename turns /foo/bar.baz into bar.baz. not what i want |
| 12:26.53 | v1c3 | is there some angel explain me how to resize the var folder? |
| 12:27.02 | muhoo | jm_: i'm looking for somethign that turns bar.baz into bar |
| 12:27.05 | jm_ | muhoo: no, it depends on how you call it - read the man page |
| 12:27.11 | wols_ | v1c3: resize? |
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| 12:27.16 | v1c3 | I've /home of 3gb and var is full |
| 12:27.36 | wols_ | what has home to do with var? I don't see a connection here |
| 12:27.45 | locus | jm_, I know..the problem is that I deleted /usr/lib by accident. Now I managed to reinstall all .deb's that had files in /usr/lib but I don't know what other files from the base distro are still missing (if any) |
| 12:27.47 | wols_ | v1c3: for starters: apt-get clean |
| 12:28.06 | v1c3 | wols_: k |
| 12:28.08 | muhoo | jm_: on debian sarge, basename's man page has no information. "AUTHOR Written by FIXME unknown." |
| 12:28.13 | locus | jm_, thats why I was asking |
| 12:28.17 | wols_ | locus: if base stuff is missing you will notice very vrey quickly |
| 12:28.27 | jm_ | muhoo: wrong, basename - strip directory and suffix from filenames |
| 12:28.35 | muhoo | and, it points to "info courutils basename", which, when executed, shows nothing other than what's in the man page :-/ |
| 12:28.46 | v1c3 | wols_: I'd like to mount the var folder under the same sda where I've stored /home |
| 12:28.47 | jm_ | locus: apt-get would install missing dependencies with any install/upgrade command |
| 12:29.07 | muhoo | jm_: ah, i see it now. thank you! |
| 12:29.15 | locus | wols_, well the system seems to work again, I dont see any errors anymore but Im not sure if still something is missing in there |
| 12:29.20 | muhoo | i was looking for a "-s strip suffix" type of option. duh. |
| 12:29.38 | wols_ | v1c3: copy /var to a subfolder of /home. then renamve /var to /varold and symlink /var to /home/var |
| 12:29.41 | wols_ | then reboot |
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| 12:30.18 | wols_ | v1c3: it's very very ugly, but it works |
| 12:30.22 | v1c3 | wols_: thanks let's try |
| 12:30.26 | v1c3 | hehe I know |
| 12:30.36 | jm_ | or bind mount it there |
| 12:30.47 | wols_ | make sure to copy really everything. you maybe need some settings to copy sockets and what not too |
| 12:30.48 | locus | jm_, I'm not talking about packages...they should be restored by now |
| 12:30.50 | v1c3 | wols_: it's just a testing machine I wanna upgradee my stable to testing |
| 12:31.02 | jm_ | locus: in that case see my first reply |
| 12:31.14 | jm_ | locus: or rather second |
| 12:31.20 | locus | jm_, the are you joking? ;) hehe |
| 12:31.25 | jm_ | locus: :) |
| 12:32.20 | v1c3 | wols_: I could just move "/var/cache/apt/archives/" in /home/archives/ |
| 12:33.39 | locus | jm_, didnt know the base files are also handled by a package. thanks |
| 12:33.53 | chuckyp | v1c3, I wound't try to upgrade with apt. |
| 12:34.11 | v1c3 | chuckyp: why? |
| 12:34.21 | v1c3 | chuckyp: or better how else then? |
| 12:34.24 | jm_ | locus: no, not base files, packages in section base - that's the minimal set you need |
| 12:35.01 | chuckyp | v1c3, its not recommended I had problems with it the other day. Aparently there is issues with c compilier updating and it appears to me what order things update in. |
| 12:35.21 | v1c3 | chuckyp: ah k |
| 12:35.28 | v1c3 | the problem is |
| 12:35.47 | v1c3 | I'm having,in stable, some kind of problems with gzip |
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| 12:36.04 | chuckyp | v1c3, But i'm sure you could ask 10 different people and get 10 different answers. I ended up reinstalling using the netinstall of testing. |
| 12:36.06 | v1c3 | chuckyp: when I try to updatesec.packages it gets me error |
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| 12:37.01 | v1c3 | chuckyp: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_testing_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 12:37.12 | jm_ | well doh |
| 12:37.15 | jm_ | !testing security |
| 12:37.15 | dpkg | i guess testing security is Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
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| 12:40.50 | nuxil | what pks is all the net tools in? like route | netwatch | dig so on |
| 12:42.23 | susperia | im considering upgrading my production server to "testing". is this a smooth process that annyone know of? |
| 12:43.04 | chuckyp | susperia, I experienced problems doing a dist-upgrade with apt from stable to testing. I don't believe its the recommended way to do it. |
| 12:43.27 | fluxdude | bout time testing had security... |
| 12:43.27 | susperia | i heard that same thing, i think manually upgrading is probably the way to go. |
| 12:43.38 | susperia | well testing does have security. |
| 12:43.43 | wols_ | susperia: it's not really recommended to use testing for a production server |
| 12:43.56 | fluxdude | susperia: production server to testing? what r u smoking.... |
| 12:44.17 | Gnea | yeah, using testing for production would be asking to get you fired... |
| 12:44.22 | susperia | fluxdude i know alot of people running testing, for ages now, with no problems. |
| 12:44.25 | wols_ | nuxil: nuxil dpkg -S /sbin/route |
| 12:44.42 | Gnea | susperia: so that means all is gonna be fine and well tomorrow? |
| 12:44.46 | susperia | either way, theres a few things I need, and sarge is just to elvis era for that. liek php5 |
| 12:45.00 | fluxdude | why run testing though, stable is so much more .... stable? |
| 12:45.03 | Gnea | !tell susperia about backports |
| 12:45.14 | nuxil | wols_ and dig? |
| 12:45.19 | javiolo | for desktop usage is recommended testing version ? |
| 12:45.22 | wols_ | nuxil: do it again |
| 12:45.30 | fluxdude | susperia: sarge was released last year! |
| 12:45.31 | wols_ | with the dig executable |
| 12:45.47 | wols_ | susperia: for a production server, sarge is not old |
| 12:45.50 | Gnea | susperia: using anything other than stable will get you fired, guaranteed. |
| 12:45.56 | chuckyp | fluxdude, some of the packages are from 02 though. |
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| 12:46.00 | susperia | i know about backports.... and secondly, you could have saved yourself sometime by not using the old cliched' "tell blahblah about blahblah" line |
| 12:46.07 | susperia | but thanks, ill re-consider backports |
| 12:46.10 | nuxil | dpkg: /sbin/dig not found. |
| 12:46.14 | nuxil | damn |
| 12:46.22 | Gnea | susperia: time cannot be saved. |
| 12:46.28 | Gnea | it's always flowing |
| 12:46.30 | jm_ | nuxil: why the hell are you looking for that in /sbin? |
| 12:46.39 | Gnea | and honestly, what i do with it is my business :) |
| 12:46.40 | susperia | ;) |
| 12:46.46 | wols_ | nuxil: dig is not in /sbin |
| 12:46.50 | wols_ | look where it is first |
| 12:47.01 | javiolo | for desktop usage is recommended testing version ? |
| 12:47.17 | wols_ | javiolo: depends what kinda desktop again |
| 12:47.26 | nuxil | wols_, well i dont have it installed |
| 12:47.32 | Gnea | susperia: have you ever used testing? |
| 12:47.33 | chuckyp | javiolo, testing version is recommended for testing. |
| 12:47.35 | wols_ | nuxil: pdo.debian.net |
| 12:47.42 | jm_ | nuxil: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:47.48 | javiolo | wols_ programming in c , using ethereal, tcpdump... |
| 12:47.49 | susperia | Gnea on about 4 boxes, since i started using debian 2 years ago. |
| 12:48.02 | susperia | Gnea not production servers though |
| 12:48.05 | wols_ | javiolo: no then (imho). not really needed |
| 12:48.23 | Gnea | susperia: okay, but you can't say you weren't warned :) |
| 12:48.52 | javiolo | wols_ but with stable I have the possibility to get the latest packages for example of ethereal ? |
| 12:48.52 | susperia | Gnea i probably wont use testing for server :P im just sick of crap like backports... ever tried php5 from backports without melting china? |
| 12:49.03 | Gnea | abrocadabro: yes? |
| 12:49.19 | javiolo | wols_ Im not planning to install the x windows |
| 12:49.44 | wols_ | javiolo: then doubly no imho. sincea desktop usually means xwindows |
| 12:49.50 | Gnea | susperia: naw, hell i don't even use apache debs on a production server, i build it all by hand lol |
| 12:49.59 | wols_ | and it's nice to have a recent kde/gnome/whatever which usually means testing |
| 12:50.11 | javiolo | wols_ sorry I meant no server :P |
| 12:51.05 | wols_ | javiolo: it's always you own decision what to use. no one can make the decision for you which version to use |
| 12:51.23 | susperia | not even if that person is called Larry wall |
| 12:51.37 | javiolo | wols_ ok I understand that but I cant get latest packages with stable ? |
| 12:53.10 | wols_ | then don't use those packages, use backports or use testing |
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| 12:53.52 | javiolo | !backports |
| 12:53.52 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 12:53.53 | coywolf | any1 help me to debug a smtp problem? |
| 12:54.00 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 12:54.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 12:54.38 | javiolo | wols_ ok Ill use stable with backports |
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| 12:56.33 | quitte | how can i disable messages form the kernel popping up on the console? |
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| 12:56.45 | quitte | or redirect them somewhere? |
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| 12:57.02 | jm_ | quitte: /msg dpkg printk console |
| 12:57.13 | sparr | "Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed." <--- would this message displaying when wildcards are used be a bug in apt-get? |
| 12:57.18 | cantona | any free ext3 recovery tool? |
| 12:57.21 | quitte | jm_: thanks |
| 12:57.45 | javiolo | quitte http://www.busybox.net/lists/busybox/2001-December/005328.html |
| 12:57.48 | jm_ | cantona: ext2 tools are free |
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| 13:01.49 | fluxdude | does anybody know how to defrag ext2/ext3 volumes, the best I've read is that it's no longer needed, but I find this hard to believe and would rather be able to see defragmentation and defragment manually... |
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| 13:02.07 | jm_ | fsck reports defragmentation level |
| 13:02.12 | tremor | hello to all |
| 13:02.22 | jm_ | or rather, fragmentation level |
| 13:03.50 | cantona | jm_, how to repair the damage ext4 partiton? |
| 13:03.52 | cantona | ext3 i mean |
| 13:03.56 | tremor | i got ssh to only work with public key authentication. but now i don't get sftp to work, because i don't know, how to give the right identity file as option or similar. any ideas? |
| 13:04.01 | jm_ | cantona: how is it damaged? |
| 13:04.05 | fluxdude | jm: I'll give it a look... |
| 13:04.27 | cantona | jm_, by poweroff without proper shutdown |
| 13:04.45 | jm_ | cantona: did it detect this at next boot and try to recover? |
| 13:05.40 | cantona | jm_, yes http://pastebin.com/578282 |
| 13:05.47 | amee2k | what packages do i need to install to get the php4 apache module? |
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| 13:06.23 | jm_ | cantona: try to tell it to use alternative superblock, but it might make sense to make a backup first and operate on backup (i.e. image) |
| 13:06.51 | cantona | jm_, okay, what is the cmd for to use alternative superblock? |
| 13:07.03 | jm_ | cantona: fsck.ext3 -b <id> |
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| 13:07.16 | cantona | jm_, id is /dev/hdc1? |
| 13:07.27 | amee2k | nm, found it |
| 13:07.37 | jm_ | cantona: no, it's the location of backup superblock |
| 13:07.56 | xoz | tremor: ssh-keygen -t dsa. cd .ssh... scp id_dsa.pub remotehost: then enable ssh-agent and execute ssh-add. make sure you forward the authentication agent in /etc/sshd_config |
| 13:08.13 | jm_ | you still need to pass the device to fsck, just the above is not enough |
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| 13:08.27 | xoz | or /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 13:08.28 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 13:08.31 | cantona | jm_, fsck.ext3 -b <id> /dev/hdc1 ? |
| 13:08.47 | jm_ | cantona: yes, but replace <id> with a real one |
| 13:08.51 | cantona | jm_, but i have no idea the id.. |
| 13:09.04 | sep | cantona, to get locations for the backup blocks you can use mkfs.ext3 -n |
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| 13:09.09 | jm_ | cantona: man fsck.ext3 explains it |
| 13:09.16 | cantona | jm_, okay, thanks |
| 13:09.27 | jm_ | just MAKE SURE TO USE -n if you plan to run mkfs |
| 13:09.37 | sep | yes that's very important ! |
| 13:09.42 | tremor | xoz: thank you. i'll try this. :) |
| 13:09.57 | sep | cantona, but you'd run man mkfs.ext before trying out wild ideas from irc anyway ?? right ? |
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| 13:10.12 | cantona | sep: yes i am reading it |
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| 13:17.49 | sparr | If someone can tell me how to reconfigure exim4 to use a smart host then I will file a bug report for the bug I found in apt-get. |
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| 13:18.14 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell sparr about drec |
| 13:18.26 | Eowo | are tehre any other web forum applications for linux apart from phpbb? |
| 13:18.30 | jm_ | hehe sounds almsot like dreck :P |
| 13:18.35 | resiak | Eowo: yes |
| 13:18.40 | chuckyp | !dpkg tell chuckyp about what? |
| 13:18.41 | sparr | thanks Zugschlus |
| 13:18.46 | nuxil | http://www.theregister.co.uk/media/677.jpg :D |
| 13:18.59 | Eowo | resiak: can you reccomend any? |
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| 13:19.57 | Mardus | bye |
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| 13:20.11 | resiak | Eowo: I can recommend using a mailing list |
| 13:20.16 | resiak | Eowo: punbb seems to work, though. |
| 13:21.13 | cleancut | I need a hand regarding list ettiquette. Is debian-project the proper list to announce a local meeting, similar in spirit to Bay Area Debian (but geographically elsewhere)? |
| 13:24.32 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:25.43 | elephantMan | Hi all |
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| 13:25.56 | elephantMan | I have a 'Xorg' process that overload my system |
| 13:26.01 | sep | dn4, you can test by browsing rotten.com if people around you puke for no obvious reason you might be correct. |
| 13:26.15 | elephantMan | How can i know which exact application is causing this ? |
| 13:26.49 | blondie | Xorg is the X system |
| 13:26.53 | cleancut | elephantMan: Define "overloading my system" |
| 13:27.12 | elephantMan | cleancut, take 90% of processor |
| 13:27.21 | elephantMan | making the whole system crawling |
| 13:27.23 | cleancut | Flash can do that on slower systems. |
| 13:27.59 | cleancut | Browsers are the usual culprits. |
| 13:28.16 | elephantMan | There is no way to see which process in the Xorg process is the bad one ? |
| 13:28.31 | elephantMan | What if i kill 'Xorg' ? I will have no more gnome ? |
| 13:28.36 | resiak | Xorg _is_ the process. |
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| 13:28.42 | incorrect | !woody->sarge |
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| 13:28.46 | elephantMan | resiak, ok |
| 13:28.59 | elephantMan | resiak, What if i kill it ? |
| 13:29.04 | foo | proftpd is running pretty slow. What can I do to speed things up? I think it's doing an ident or something and causing things to be slowed down. How can I stop this? |
| 13:29.07 | cleancut | elephantMan: I think you're misunderstanding the X11 system architecture. Individual processes connect to the X server. |
| 13:29.35 | cleancut | elephantMan: If you kill it, gnome, and everything else graphical will vanish. |
| 13:29.37 | resiak | elephantMan: Then X will cease to be running, taking all running apps that use X with it |
| 13:29.59 | Matt-H | foo: if you mean on initial connect it takes ages before the greeting, it's doing ident which can be disabled in the config file (IIRC) |
| 13:30.20 | foo | Matt-H: Hmm, I couldn't find it in the proftpd.conf file. I think it lies elsewhere. |
| 13:30.34 | elephantMan | cleancut, ok i understand |
| 13:30.49 | elephantMan | resiak, ok thanx |
| 13:31.25 | Matt-H | foo: it's in /etc/proftpd.conf... "IdentLookups off" and for more speed "UseReverseDNS off" |
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| 13:31.50 | foo | Ahhh. thanks. My bad. |
| 13:32.32 | elephantMan | its still not possible to get a computer just working without learning boring concepts |
| 13:32.32 | Gnea | it's still not possible to breath without oxygen |
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| 13:33.17 | sep | Gnea, sure it is... but a very short amount of time... :) |
| 13:35.04 | Gnea | hehehe |
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| 13:36.49 | kristalino | do you know where i could find a tutorial to install openvpn on debian ? |
| 13:37.04 | kristalino | install and configure |
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| 13:45.20 | sparr | definition of high speed internet: when the download for an apt-get upgrade takes less time than installing the new packages. |
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| 13:47.36 | The_ritz | hi |
| 13:47.52 | The_ritz | is it ok/safe to upgrade from Sarge to Etch at this stage? |
| 13:48.07 | chuckyp | The_ritz, huh? |
| 13:48.28 | The_ritz | i mean i have been running Sarge as desktop for nearly a year |
| 13:48.32 | The_ritz | will things break? |
| 13:48.33 | fireba11 | sparr: hopefully you don't try to apply that definition to windows ... thsoe updates take freakish long to install sometimes :-) |
| 13:48.55 | sparr | only because you have to reboot 7 times during the installation |
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| 13:49.10 | blondie | The_ritz: if it ain't broke, don't break (fit) it ;) |
| 13:49.14 | blondie | *fix |
| 13:50.23 | The_ritz | blondie: i didnt get u |
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| 13:50.47 | chealer | The_ritz: you can only answer by looking at apt-listbugs...have fun |
| 13:51.05 | blondie | "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" |
| 13:54.05 | sparr | i always forget that apt-get upgrade is going to break my nvidia drivers |
| 13:54.05 | The_ritz | hmm |
| 13:54.32 | fireba11 | sparr: no .. i saw updates on notebooks that had 300KB and took over 5 minutes to install ^^ |
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| 13:55.45 | Cyorxamp | Is there something that can take care of the installation of graphics driver and setting them up? (i.e. instead of mucking about in xorg.conf and such things) - basically yes I am on about something similar to 'Display Properties' on windows. Don't just say 'go back to windoze' |
| 13:56.35 | chealer | !drxx Cyorxamp |
| 13:56.35 | dpkg | Cyorxamp: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 13:56.48 | Cyorxamp | yeah thats just as shit |
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| 13:57.54 | Cyorxamp | it's bad enough linux drivers have to be reverse engineered for most hardware - let alone shit ways of installing and configuring any drivers that do exist |
| 13:58.08 | centrx | Cyorxamp, what's wrong with the x configurator |
| 13:58.17 | jm_ | no-one's forcing you to use it, feel free to use Windows |
| 13:58.24 | Cyorxamp | jm_ what did I say? |
| 13:58.53 | Cyorxamp | centrx - be more specific |
| 13:58.53 | tremor | is it possible, to use sftp without ssh-agent or depends sftp on this? |
| 13:59.02 | jm_ | Cyorxamp: feel free to write your own, better tools |
| 13:59.31 | centrx | Cyorxamp, what is wrong with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:59.37 | centrx | Cyorxamp, what are you trying to configure that you are unable to with that |
| 13:59.45 | sparr | centrx: it provides options that will not work with your hardware. |
| 13:59.52 | sparr | and its sequential |
| 14:00.03 | sparr | two large problems in terms of a configuration program |
| 14:00.04 | Cyorxamp | well first of all it asks about video bus information, which driver out of a bunch of abbreviations with no explaination what they - information about keyboard and mice |
| 14:00.08 | Cyorxamp | I mean come on! |
| 14:00.09 | abrotman | leave blank |
| 14:00.19 | abrotman | leave the video memory blank too |
| 14:00.27 | jm_ | one screen before BusID questions says to leave it blank ... |
| 14:00.36 | centrx | sparr, yes, the sequential is a problem, although that's not the case with the gtk frontend i think, and it still Works |
| 14:00.38 | abrotman | i hate whiners that whine about needing answers they don't actually need :) |
| 14:00.40 | sparr | abrotman: we dont want to be presented with options to which the normal response is 'leave blank' |
| 14:00.49 | abrotman | sparr: FILE A BUG |
| 14:00.50 | Cyorxamp | The main concern people had when switching to linux WAS the 'Windows Software' issue - now that has been squished! |
| 14:00.52 | Cyorxamp | Now it's drivers |
| 14:00.58 | sparr | abrotman: when i want to change one option, i like to skip to THAT option, and see nothing else |
| 14:00.59 | chealer | Cyorxamp: debconf explains that almost everyone should let the bus ID blank |
| 14:01.00 | abrotman | sparr: FILE A BUG |
| 14:01.00 | Cyorxamp | Drivers DO exist - but they are a bugger to set up |
| 14:01.19 | sparr | abrotman: i cant file any bugs until i reconfigure exim. i cant reconfigure exim until my upgrade is finished. |
| 14:01.20 | abrotman | then odn't use debian |
| 14:01.30 | abrotman | we have issues with closed drivers .. dont like it .. use a distro that doesn't care |
| 14:01.31 | centrx | wegmans |
| 14:01.33 | Cyorxamp | chealer - there should not have to be a manual or an explaination - thats WHY people stick with windows - usable without a god damn manual |
| 14:01.46 | sparr | have i mentioned my opinion that the debian bug system requiring the use of email is particularly antiquated and counterproductive? |
| 14:02.04 | abrotman | sparr: you can use your webmail client if you prefer |
| 14:02.05 | The_ritz | one dumb question |
| 14:02.14 | abrotman | sparr: of course .. you could file a bug on the bug system |
| 14:02.27 | The_ritz | should i do a plain "upgrade" or "dist-upgrade" for sarge to etch? |
| 14:02.34 | abrotman | though .. seeing as how i think bugzilla is a big pile of shit .. i don't really see a better way |
| 14:02.38 | Cyorxamp | So theres nothing correct? |
| 14:02.39 | abrotman | dist-upgrade |
| 14:02.41 | sparr | what if i dont have an email account? or a mail server? more people have access to http more often than to smtp. |
| 14:02.43 | abrotman | !tell The_ritz about sarge->etch |
| 14:02.52 | centrx | Cyorxamp, what's the problem, you haven't specified your problem |
| 14:02.57 | chealer | Cyorxamp: oh, it's true. now that you discovered that drxx was imperfect, feel free to complain to the bot and switch to OpenBSD |
| 14:02.59 | abrotman | sparr: then you're a total fucking loser |
| 14:03.03 | Cyorxamp | centrx - I bloody well did |
| 14:03.13 | sparr | ill take bugzilla as the lesser of two evils (ignoring less popular solutions like sourceforge) |
| 14:03.21 | abrotman | bugzilla is a pile of shit |
| 14:03.43 | centrx | Cyorxamp, graphics drivers are already installed, and you select which one to use and its configuration with the tool already told you |
| 14:03.51 | Zugschlus | it's a myth that windows is useable without manual |
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| 14:03.56 | Cyorxamp | In effect - I guess what I am asking for is this.......... |
| 14:03.58 | Cyorxamp | Device Manager |
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| 14:04.10 | Zugschlus | it's just that about anybody rudimentarily knows how to use it |
| 14:04.30 | jm_ | Zugschlus: indeed, try asking someone who has never worked with it to change something ... |
| 14:04.41 | sparr | no, the debian bug system is a pile of shit. i dont want to, and almost no one needs to, see mail headers while reading bug reports. its useless data thrown in just because the system is so old. |
| 14:04.59 | abrotman | sparr: i don't konw why you use debian .. you do nothing but whine like a 5 year old girl |
| 14:05.03 | Zugschlus | sparr: the Debian BTS ist about the best bug tracking system around because it is useable. |
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| 14:05.15 | beardy | sparr: So improve it then. |
| 14:05.20 | Zugschlus | and it has a truckload of features which greatly enhance its usability |
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| 14:05.38 | centrx | sparr, the web display only shows from, to, subject, and date, what's wrong with that? |
| 14:05.41 | abrotman | sparr: you always have a fucked up mahcine .. you never know how to fix it .. you constantly ask OT questions here .. what good are you? |
| 14:06.13 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 14:06.23 | wols_ | abrotman: how does he differ from 99% of the other bozos in here? looks like a perfectly normal guy for #debian... |
| 14:06.29 | centrx | Cyorxamp, device manager just displays information, and Gnome and KDE have device-manager-like control panels |
| 14:06.38 | sparr | abrotman: if i knew how to fix it i wouldnt need to be here. |
| 14:06.38 | abrotman | wols_: because he whines because he thinks he knows better |
| 14:06.45 | abrotman | sparr: go back to windows |
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| 14:06.51 | sparr | i WANT to report bugs |
| 14:06.56 | sparr | every time i try theres something in the way |
| 14:06.56 | abrotman | then do it |
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| 14:07.05 | Cyorxamp | Device Manager - that's it! That's what I need... a graphical way of installing and configuring linux drivers - and yes something that can be used WITHOUT reading a manual... anyone telling me to go back to windows or other such comments with be insulted - any ideas on a linux Device Manager? |
| 14:07.06 | abrotman | use your ISP's SMTP server |
| 14:07.13 | sparr | ive got to run multiple programs, or read pages of manuals just for the bug system, before i can do so |
| 14:07.25 | abrotman | oddly .. i didn't |
| 14:07.28 | abrotman | i just used reportbug |
| 14:07.32 | wols_ | Cyorxamp: brain 1.0 is the best I heard |
| 14:07.35 | sparr | you also happened to have a working MTA |
| 14:07.38 | beardy | Cyorxamp: drivers do not exist |
| 14:07.45 | fireba11 | anyone got first-hand experience with free groupware solutions ? thought about using opengroupware or openexchange and could use some opinions on those or maybe other possibilities |
| 14:07.58 | beardy | Cyorxamp: and wtf, do you what a device is? |
| 14:08.04 | beardy | do you know |
| 14:08.08 | sparr | i had one. it stopped working when my isp blocked port 25. now i have to try to get it working again. the exim manual is extremely long, when i finish it ill stop whining. |
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| 14:08.09 | abrotman | sparr: i configured exim to use a smarthost .. like a normal person |
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| 14:08.30 | abrotman | sparr: you putz .. your isp won't block 25 to its own mail server .. you really are clueless |
| 14:08.35 | wols_ | beardy: I do! it's a pnp "driver" for a DRM mechanism! |
| 14:08.42 | sparr | idiot |
| 14:08.46 | wols_ | at least those are in that device manager thing you speak about |
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| 14:09.18 | abrotman | god .. how do people like that even get debian installed |
| 14:09.19 | kspath | Cyorxamp: Try to develop all that yourself, create a project and wiki and mail list and UI design group and provide gnome and KDE and others with your work or create an independent tool that can be gnomeizd and KDEizd easily. |
| 14:09.28 | Cyorxamp | kspath - shut the fuck up |
| 14:09.38 | chealer | Cyorxamp: oh, there is a graphical Device Manager, kwrite exists since a while |
| 14:09.40 | beardy | abrotman: yeah.. |
| 14:09.41 | coywolf | what program checks the password during login? |
| 14:09.43 | abrotman | it's troll day here on #debian :) |
| 14:09.57 | jm_ | see? two great examples who think they have the right to demand things without contributing anything |
| 14:09.57 | sparr | and while im ranting about poor design, why the hell doesnt dpkg-reconfigure exim4 work? theres an entire other package for managing the configuration, but i had no way to know that |
| 14:09.58 | wols_ | is it sunday? |
| 14:09.58 | beardy | abrotman: It's to easy, I liked the woody installer much more.. |
| 14:10.06 | kspath | Cyorxamp: Why is it ok for you to suggest things but not ok for me to suggest things? |
| 14:10.10 | Zugschlus | !dpkt tell sparr about drec |
| 14:10.11 | jm_ | coywolf: PAM in most cases |
| 14:10.16 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell sparr about drec |
| 14:10.20 | abrotman | sparr: because you don't know what you're doing .. as usual |
| 14:10.24 | coywolf | jm_, what program? |
| 14:10.26 | sparr | Zugschlus: yes, i thanked you before :) thanks again. |
| 14:10.42 | sparr | abrotman: i know you were born with an innate knowledge of all things debian. some of us have to learn things. |
| 14:10.43 | jm_ | coywolf: it's not a program, login uses PAM libraries for authentication purposes |
| 14:10.48 | chuckyp | Cyorxamp, go back to your ubuntu hell |
| 14:10.49 | abrotman | the sad thing .. i would be so much more inclined to help him .. if he wouldn' |
| 14:10.53 | abrotman | the sad thing .. i would be so much more inclined to help him .. if he wouldn't be so trollish |
| 14:11.00 | sparr | jm_: im TRYING to contribute, if i can ever get my bug reports where they are going |
| 14:11.03 | abrotman | sparr: i don't even use exim .. |
| 14:11.07 | beardy | sparr: Just start doing so, everyone else has, or is doing it. |
| 14:11.16 | jm_ | sparr: no, contribute as in writing software, not just whine about bugs in it |
| 14:11.21 | wols_ | I never understood why debian uses exim in the first place |
| 14:11.22 | sparr | jm_: ive submitted patches |
| 14:11.25 | coywolf | jm_, it's gettty -> login -> bash, right? |
| 14:11.32 | jm_ | sparr: that's good |
| 14:11.35 | jm_ | coywolf: yes |
| 14:11.44 | Zugschlus | wols_: what should Debian use instead? |
| 14:11.51 | Zugschlus | !dpkg start an mta war |
| 14:11.51 | dpkg | postfix owns |
| 14:12.05 | kspath | Cyorxamp: I have seen people that were barely able to do basic tech support teach themselves basic C and go on to do constructive stuff. All you have to do is do it. |
| 14:12.20 | coywolf | jm_, i guess it could be getty -> checkpwd -> bash in some unix? |
| 14:12.21 | sparr | "Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed." <--- would this message displaying when wildcards are used be a bug in apt-get or in dpkg? |
| 14:12.45 | fireba11 | wols_: because it's reliable and most people agree that there aren't any other mailsvers that are considderably better it at all |
| 14:13.27 | wols_ | fireba11: I still want postfix on the bootfloppies :) |
| 14:13.33 | jm_ | coywolf: no, login checked it in old days |
| 14:13.43 | fireba11 | wols_: then make your own floppies :-) |
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| 14:13.59 | kspath | Whenever I want to bitch about anything more complicated than /etc/services I just say to myself. Am I prepared to take on part of the project work or to help rewrite all of it. Even with /etc/services I have determined that I will have to do that myself since no one else seems to care. |
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| 14:14.19 | coywolf | jm_, heard of checkpassword by Dan Bernstein? |
| 14:14.23 | wols_ | debian.org has better pipes to distribute those installers than poor me. but theirs are "broken" |
| 14:14.48 | fireba11 | wols_: who uses floppies anymore anyway ? :-) |
| 14:15.00 | wols_ | debian! at least they call them bootfloppies :) |
| 14:15.09 | jm_ | coywolf: not before now |
| 14:15.13 | Zugschlus | wols_: not any more |
| 14:15.20 | wols_ | I dunno even what they are. three is nothing smaller than a CD here |
| 14:15.25 | sparr | kspath: i had an unfortunate beginning in OSS projects. i began using software with active development communities, where reporting bugs resulted in bugs being fixed. i am having trouble adapting to the debian system where reporting bugs accomplishes nothing and people make fun of you for not fixing them yourself. |
| 14:15.29 | iNAP | how can i install languages on debian? |
| 14:15.48 | Zugschlus | sparr: please repeat the insult that Debian doesn't fix bugs |
| 14:16.04 | wols_ | sparr: then funny thing is debian has a very good reputation as a bugfree and secure distro :) |
| 14:16.18 | fireba11 | anyone got first-hand experience with free groupware solutions ? thought about using opengroupware or openexchange and could use some opinions on those or maybe other possibilities .. anyone ? |
| 14:16.19 | kspath | sparr: Write a patch and/or replacement and present it to debian developers. |
| 14:16.25 | sparr | kspath: precisely |
| 14:16.35 | wols_ | iNAP: try a user-* package where * is your "language" moniker, like es, de, etc |
| 14:16.37 | sparr | Zugschlus: ill let 300+ day non-trivial-priority bugs speak for themselves |
| 14:17.03 | iNAP | wols_, so user- he |
| 14:17.03 | iNAP | ? |
| 14:17.05 | wols_ | fireba11: ssshhh. we're having a flamewar here. please don't interrupt with useless realworld questions |
| 14:17.14 | iNAP | i dont want it as my default, i just want it as a extra language on the system. |
| 14:17.24 | wols_ | thos you're you're quite near a popquiz question :) |
| 14:17.51 | jm_ | !tell iNAP -about locales |
| 14:17.52 | Zugschlus | sparr: and how many bugs are fixed daily? |
| 14:18.07 | wols_ | iNAP: you'd still want to install the user-* package if you can. what is he btw? what country? |
| 14:18.09 | sparr | wols_: security bugs, yes. im referring to normal bugs :) broken features and packaging issues and such. |
| 14:18.23 | wols_ | sparr: I'm referring to bugs overall |
| 14:18.29 | sparr | Zugschlus: i have no idea, i obviously dont have to look for the ones that have been fixed. |
| 14:18.36 | iNAP | hebrew |
| 14:18.37 | iNAP | israel |
| 14:18.44 | Zugschlus | sparr: then kindly stop ranting |
| 14:18.53 | wols_ | and if you talk about testing or unstable, the you should be beaten |
| 14:19.00 | sparr | iNAP: non-[left to right, top to bottom] languages require special software in addition to the normal language packages |
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| 14:19.31 | iNAP | sparr, then how can i get this software? |
| 14:19.36 | sparr | i don't know, sorry |
| 14:20.04 | abrotman | iNAP: what languages? |
| 14:20.05 | kspath | iNAP: that is one of those things where many of the people that use that hang out with people that use it. |
| 14:20.20 | iNAP | abrotman, hebrew. |
| 14:20.26 | chealer | wols_: Debian is bugfree and secure? that sounds relative |
| 14:20.34 | abrotman | iNAP: did you install that locale? |
| 14:20.48 | wols_ | chealer: it is. and I spoke about "reputation" |
| 14:20.54 | iNAP | yes i did.. and it didn't help. |
| 14:21.02 | kspath | abrotman: Will locale have fonts depends? |
| 14:21.11 | chealer | wols_: even the security reputation is getting away |
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| 14:21.29 | kspath | iNAP did you restart X? |
| 14:21.29 | wols_ | chealer: where and when? |
| 14:21.57 | iNAP | mm well i see it in the encryption list.. like in firefox.. i chose it, but its still not showing up.. brb. |
| 14:22.08 | chealer | wols_: see for example the articles on slashdot and I don'T remember where about last august |
| 14:22.15 | abrotman | kspath: the r-l languages depend on locales .. and the app afaik |
| 14:22.31 | sparr | using module assistant, with a package version ...8178..., why would it skip building the package because the package for version ...8174... already exists? |
| 14:23.24 | chealer | sparr: which m-a input and output? |
| 14:23.26 | wols_ | chealer: what security problem was that? that (temporary) security team problem? |
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| 14:23.49 | kspath | abrotman: I should learn about that. I think the idea of being able to publish in any language that I can learn. LaTeX maybe? |
| 14:23.49 | chealer | wols_: particularly, the lack of DSA for about one months |
| 14:23.57 | wols_ | abrotman: I think so too. e.g OOo needs a special vresion for hebrew and arabic |
| 14:23.59 | OleMoudi | any ideas how to fix sound on firefox flash animations? I can only hear sounds when I'm not playing any other sound with other apps like amarok, ie dsp is not busy |
| 14:24.07 | abrotman | iNAP: there is a #israel .. they may know .. |
| 14:24.23 | jm_ | OleMoudi: ALSA + dmix + aoss wrapper for FF |
| 14:24.23 | abrotman | liran: ping? |
| 14:24.43 | chealer | OleMoudi: maybe running firefox in artsdsp, or dmix as jm_ said |
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| 14:25.01 | abrotman | omry_: ping! |
| 14:25.17 | fluxdude | this is really weird, a server has 3 smbfs shares to mount in fstab , when booting, 2 mount but 1 does not, even though the share is available... |
| 14:25.35 | jm_ | it probably tells why it failed |
| 14:26.00 | OleMoudi | jm_, could you please be more specific? Im already using alsa, I put "aoss" in /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc, and whats dmix? |
| 14:26.03 | sparr | m-a a-i nvidia |
| 14:26.03 | sparr | Extracting the package tarball, /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz, please wait... |
| 14:26.04 | sparr | Target package file /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-2.6.14-1-k7_1.0.8174-1+2.6.14-1_i386.deb already exists, not rebuilding! |
| 14:26.22 | jm_ | OleMoudi: /msg dpkg dmix |
| 14:26.22 | OleMoudi | and how do I do that chealer |
| 14:26.27 | OleMoudi | ok |
| 14:26.42 | fluxdude | If I do mount /mnt/mountpoint then it mounts, so why doesn't it do this when it reboots? |
| 14:26.51 | jm_ | OleMoudi: verify that your version of firefox actually sources /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc |
| 14:27.08 | wolaoye | my mouse and other inputs are not responding under kernel-2.6.15. udev has been installed. is manual set-up required for those input devices? |
| 14:27.25 | chealer | OleMoudi: man artsdsp |
| 14:28.13 | chealer | sparr: what if you # m-a update;m-a a-i nvidia; ? |
| 14:28.16 | fluxdude | the line in fstab is: //machine/pub /mnt/x smbfs username=user%pass |
| 14:28.46 | sparr | chealer: looks to be working, thanks |
| 14:28.58 | wols_ | fluxdude: "auto" is missing |
| 14:29.17 | jfs | fluxdude: //machine/pub /mnt/x auto,smbfs username=user%pass 0 0 |
| 14:29.24 | jfs | err |
| 14:29.30 | jm_ | fluxdude: why not check what it says? |
| 14:29.33 | jfs | fluxdude: //machine/pub /mnt/x smbfs auto,username=user%pass 0 0 |
| 14:29.36 | fluxdude | that's the default tho, the other 2 lines like that don't have it and they auto mount at boot |
| 14:29.50 | wols_ | they have "defaults", right? |
| 14:29.51 | wolaoye | nobody using udev here? |
| 14:30.01 | sparr | is there a fast way to remove every package listed in popcon-largest-unused? |
| 14:30.09 | fluxdude | wols_: no, they just work |
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| 14:30.37 | chealer | wolaoye: no, these days people like going back to manual /dev management |
| 14:30.48 | abrotman | sparr: what's the format? |
| 14:31.06 | dr_zeus | What to do if the installer does not recognize my SATA disks? |
| 14:31.09 | sparr | abrotman: 1234 packagename |
| 14:31.14 | jm_ | dr_zeus: use updated kernel |
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| 14:31.21 | abrotman | sparr: i mean .. is it a file ? one package per line? |
| 14:31.23 | dr_zeus | I did that |
| 14:31.28 | jm_ | which kernel? |
| 14:31.28 | wols_ | chealer: I'm cutting edge then. I haven't moved away from dev yet. and there is no hotplug or discover running either :) |
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| 14:31.46 | sparr | its stdout, easily redirected to a file. each line contains a number and a package name, separated by a space |
| 14:31.51 | dr_zeus | jm_: 2.6.15 |
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| 14:31.53 | wolaoye | chealer, udev is supposed to be more advanced. it requires manual effort too, setting up the rules. |
| 14:31.55 | crypt_ex | I want to execute 'ln -s /dev/input/js0 /dev/j0' at boot each time the PC loads up, whats the easiest way of doing this? |
| 14:31.57 | chealer | !win wols_ |
| 14:31.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, wols_! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 14:31.59 | jm_ | dr_zeus: which controller is it? |
| 14:32.01 | abrotman | sparr: show me a single line |
| 14:32.12 | iNAP | ok back.. |
| 14:32.31 | sparr | 44 tuxracer |
| 14:32.39 | wols_ | chealer: I distinctly remembere from playing monopoly that I get 200 bucks for that place. so where is my money |
| 14:32.54 | dr_zeus | Its an Intel Card with ATI chipset onboard... I'll give you the specs in a moment. researching... |
| 14:32.54 | jfs | crypt_ex: as root, do 'crontab -e' and add '@reboot ln -s /dev/input/js0 /dev/j0', or create an init script using the skeleton |
| 14:33.09 | crypt_ex | thanks jfs :) |
| 14:33.13 | wolaoye | chealer, actually it is not up to the user. kernel version >= 12 use udev. |
| 14:33.17 | dr_zeus | 00:11.0 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc ATI 437A Serial ATA Controller (rev 80) |
| 14:33.24 | jm_ | perhaps that controller is not supported at all, check Linux SATA pae |
| 14:33.25 | Eulex | YAY |
| 14:33.26 | jm_ | page* |
| 14:33.46 | abrotman | sparr: get it into a file .. then .. `cat <file> | awk '{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --purge remove` .. but make REALLY sure you want them all gone .. it will remove them without prompt |
| 14:33.53 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 14:33.56 | abrotman | !uuoc me |
| 14:33.58 | dr_zeus | jm_: its on the debian page or? |
| 14:34.05 | jm_ | dr_zeus: no, Linux SATA page |
| 14:34.14 | chealer | wols_: sorry, it was a geek beauty contest. you can get bug #299099 |
| 14:34.23 | sparr | abrotman: yeah, ill prune the file myself, but it should free up about a gig of space, and make dpkg just a tad quicker with 2500 instead of 3000 packages |
| 14:34.23 | kspath | HEY that is my award! |
| 14:34.38 | kspath | !uuoc me |
| 14:34.40 | dr_zeus | jmk_: ok, thx. But if it is not on th page can I hade my linux drivers to the installer CD or? |
| 14:34.42 | Eulex | I just burnt my first error-free dvd in linux -- support for atapi over sata seems to have gotten quite good in 2.6.14. |
| 14:34.42 | iNAP | how do i instaall a .deb? |
| 14:34.43 | abrotman | sparr: it won't remove them from tthe packages file |
| 14:34.50 | chealer | wolaoye: I was just sarcastic |
| 14:34.50 | Eulex | iNAP, dpkg -i filename |
| 14:34.59 | jm_ | dr_zeus: you can compile a custom kernel and use it during installation, yes |
| 14:35.00 | iNAP | and does it have to be anywhere specific? |
| 14:35.11 | jfs | no |
| 14:35.22 | wols_ | wolaoye: I run .13 here and no udev afaik |
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| 14:35.29 | sparr | abrotman: i know that, but dpkg gets slower every time i install a few hundred more packages. i dont specifically know why |
| 14:35.34 | dr_zeus | jm_: ok ,thx. Darn :) The FC4 installer etects it so.. |
| 14:35.39 | xoz | udev is optional |
| 14:35.45 | abrotman | uhm ok |
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| 14:35.52 | wolaoye | chealer, wols_, is that possible? |
| 14:35.53 | jm_ | dr_zeus: really? do you know which driver handles it? |
| 14:36.06 | sparr | abrotman: i know it counts the number of package-controlled files each time, that could be part of the problem |
| 14:36.15 | dr_zeus | no, but I'll find out. be back in a flash :) |
| 14:36.27 | wols_ | wolaoye: custom kernel here. and I sure hope so since there are only good old dev files, made with /dev/MAKEDEV |
| 14:36.36 | chealer | wolaoye: what? I don't know about your bug |
| 14:36.52 | abrotman | sparr: jeez .. how slow is this machien? |
| 14:37.00 | sparr | abrotman: 1.5GHz, 1GB ram |
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| 14:37.10 | iNAP | Eulex, do i need to put the file anywhere specific? |
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| 14:37.20 | Eulex | iNAP, nope |
| 14:37.28 | iNAP | cause it tells me it cant find the file.. |
| 14:37.41 | abrotman | sparr: it really shouldn't be an issue .. also check deborphan |
| 14:37.43 | sybariten | in what end do you suggest i start solving problems when apt coughs ? |
| 14:37.49 | sybariten | generally speaking |
| 14:38.03 | wolaoye | wols_, are u using usb mouse? |
| 14:38.08 | beardy | sybariten: be specific instead |
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| 14:38.27 | chealer | sybariten: in the couching details, synaptic, or the APT HOWTO |
| 14:38.33 | sparr | abrotman: 88 orphans |
| 14:38.46 | abrotman | !tell sparr about deborphan |
| 14:38.58 | abrotman | sparr: of course .. make sure you want them all removed :) |
| 14:39.02 | sybariten | chealer: ok .... |
| 14:39.04 | sparr | yeah, i probably dont |
| 14:39.09 | sparr | i have a lot of non-debian software installed |
| 14:39.17 | sparr | games, web browsers, etc |
| 14:39.24 | beardy | who could have guessed.. |
| 14:39.26 | sparr | im sure i installed some libraries manually just for them |
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| 14:40.01 | sybariten | beardy: well, first and foremost this is not a true debian distro, but its debian based. Their IRC channel isnt wildly populated. Apt coughs when i try to install samba, coz it has problems with logrotate. |
| 14:40.02 | sparr | lots of games, just a few non-game softwares (firefox in particular) |
| 14:40.06 | abrotman | sparr: debophan -a will show more .. but you must be very careful .. some of those are actually important |
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| 14:40.27 | xoz | sparr: use feta foster |
| 14:40.30 | beardy | sybariten: Just go to #yourchannel, we don't care. |
| 14:40.32 | sybariten | the error msg i get out of the samba-apt-install is just that "samba depends on logrotate, however logrotate isnt configured yet..." ... hmm |
| 14:40.37 | sybariten | oh ok |
| 14:40.42 | sparr | abrotman: i think the hundreds of games in popcon-largest-unused will be a more productive uninstallation |
| 14:40.49 | abrotman | if you say so |
| 14:41.07 | sybariten | thats a nice attitude |
| 14:41.08 | xoz | sparr: and feta foster as well as feta purge-config |
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| 14:41.49 | beardy | sybariten: Or rather, we can't help you, and wont help you with your non-debian problem, because it might not help you at all, what we suggest might break things for you, and this is #debian, Debian is what is supported here. I didn't mean to offend you, yet. |
| 14:41.52 | wols_ | sybariten: yours is nice too, you don't even use debian but you demand free support from it |
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| 14:42.54 | sybariten | beardy: well, i thought apt was a debian-native invention so to speak, and it wont really break anything in my case, whatever i try. its no biggie. So i was just looking for some suggestions |
| 14:43.16 | chealer | wols_: I'm not a native English speaker, but I doubt "demand" describes well what sybariten did |
| 14:43.23 | sybariten | wols_: isnt debian-based considered to be debian? well, i dont "demand free support", no, i came asking if someone had a suggestion |
| 14:43.29 | tremor | thank you for help, especially to xoz :) |
| 14:43.34 | beardy | sybariten: apt exists for many things, install Debian if you want support for Debian from us, in here. |
| 14:43.35 | wols_ | !debian based |
| 14:43.35 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 14:43.40 | tremor | bye and a nice day/evening |
| 14:44.07 | wols_ | sybariten: apt is used in rpm distros. shall we support those too now? |
| 14:44.15 | chealer | sybariten: no, "debian-based" is not considered to be debian, unless it's calles debian |
| 14:44.21 | chealer | s/calles/called |
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| 14:44.27 | beardy | sybariten: We have tons of people like you every day, just go before you get offended. |
| 14:44.57 | wols_ | chealer: he came in here and asked for support. when we told him he couldn't get support for his distro here he got angry. meets my definition of "deman" |
| 14:45.00 | wols_ | +d |
| 14:45.43 | dr_zeus | jm_: I've found some info on someone with the smae porblem but he solved it by manual modprobe sata_sil and got it to work. I really can't sya I understand hpw to do this. Don't I need a .so module to probe with first? |
| 14:46.15 | chealer | wols_: I don't consider "thats a nice attitude" in response to "we don't care." particularly angry |
| 14:46.19 | sybariten | wols_: hehe, you support the prejudgement of a bitter *nix irc guy if you interpret me as being "angry" , hehe wtf |
| 14:47.06 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 14:47.07 | dpkg | Sorry you're not running Debian, but something based off of it. If you're lucky you might get help in #debian and if you are extremely lucky it might even solve your problem, otherwise your best bet is to use the support channel for your chosen distro. If people tell you to go there, please don't argue/complain or demand support |
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| 14:47.41 | Gnea | sybariten: is that DSL? |
| 14:47.44 | kneet | aptitude - how to set an autoinstalled package state to manually installed? I want to remove pcmcia-cs (since it's deprecated on my kernel) - but that says pcmciautils is unused and will be removed (when as far as I can see it's the replacement stuff) |
| 14:47.45 | N0S3 | what happens with www.zoneedit.com ? |
| 14:48.01 | beardy | kneet: Look it up, hit + |
| 14:48.24 | sybariten | theres no channel discussing apt solely is there ? |
| 14:48.31 | chealer | sybariten: no |
| 14:48.32 | sybariten | Gnea: yes |
| 14:48.46 | beardy | sybariten: Not that I know of. |
| 14:49.02 | sproingie | how do i make aptitude use sudo instead of su? |
| 14:49.04 | xoz | kneet: pcmcia-cs will become a virtual package... dont remove it yet. it will not harm you because it basically contains nothing. |
| 14:49.11 | Gnea | sybariten: you gotta be patient there. help will arrive, when it feels like it. just like here. we really can't help you with their distro, as it's setup way differently. |
| 14:49.12 | beardy | sybariten: Have you tried searching the web? |
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| 14:49.39 | kneet | xoz, OK - was reacting to "Linux >= 2.6.13-rc1 and udev is enabled; use pcmciautils instead" message under upgrade |
| 14:49.40 | chealer | xoz: since when will pcmcia-cs become a virtual package? |
| 14:49.59 | beardy | sybariten: And have you read apt's documentation? |
| 14:50.04 | kneet | beardy, I'd forgotton the interactive stuff in aptitude - only ever use it as an apt-get replacement at the command line :) |
| 14:50.12 | xoz | chealer: they will replace it with pcmcia utils as soon as udev becomes stable |
| 14:50.13 | sybariten | Gnea: yeah, i know. There are helpful people there in the evenings, mainly. I was just curious if there was a "general" attitude people take when apt breaks ... i guess most apt breaks is some sort of dependency problems |
| 14:50.28 | dr_zeus | any using a kernel with support for ATI's SATA chipset :) |
| 14:50.46 | Gnea | sybariten: apt didn't break, probably some package it's trying to work with broke dpkg |
| 14:50.50 | chealer | xoz: who said that, and why would it become a virtual package anyway? |
| 14:51.18 | sybariten | beardy: web, yes ... logrotate didnt seem to be such a wellknown package as i first thought... |
| 14:51.27 | xoz | chealer: because most of its functions will be handled by udev, etc... as well as tools in pcmciautils. |
| 14:51.44 | sybariten | beardy: and apts documentation, no i cant say i've read much of it ... i know how to use the basic apt functionalities |
| 14:51.57 | sybariten | Gnea: yeah, guess so. |
| 14:52.20 | Gnea | sybariten: if you haven't RTFM then you need to do so. no one can properly help you until you have a basic understanding of how it works. |
| 14:52.23 | chealer | xoz: that will unlikely make pcmcia-cs a virtual package |
| 14:52.23 | Gnea | ok, time for work, later |
| 14:52.25 | beardy | sybariten: I suggest you start reading it, until someone pops up in that channel. |
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| 14:53.28 | xoz | chealer: kernels 2.6.13 upward will not require cardmgr *anymore*.... read /usr/share/doc/pcmciautils/cardmgs-* |
| 14:53.30 | kspath | only 689? hehehe |
| 14:53.44 | beardy | sybariten: Install apt-doc (see, I have no idea if that is available i what you run, do you understand why now) also /msg dpkg docs |
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| 14:54.37 | xoz | chealer: and when you upgrade pcmcia-cs... it shows the message that it will be deprecated. ok, not virtual package but a dummy transition package for pcmciautils |
| 14:54.42 | chealer | xoz: I know that, but kernel 2.4 isn't 2.6.13 upward and that will still not make pcmcia-cs a virtual package |
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| 14:54.52 | chealer | xoz: ok, maybe |
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| 14:55.20 | kspath | when will 2.4.X retire? |
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| 14:55.55 | beardy | kspath: When the last person has stopped running it, which will probably be somewhere between now and the other half of eternity. |
| 14:55.58 | kspath | when will 2.4.X retire as the default? |
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| 14:56.18 | chealer | kspath: it's not looking like it will before Etch's release yet, despite pressure from the security team and others |
| 14:56.19 | beardy | kspath: linux26 |
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| 14:56.29 | chealer | kspath: depends on which arch |
| 14:56.56 | kspath | beardy: It is still a default. I am using 2.6.X now thank you. |
| 14:57.00 | xoz | 2.6 is still being *developed*. no stable kernel branch yet.... |
| 14:57.10 | beardy | kspath: No, it's your choice. |
| 14:57.25 | xoz | and no new development branch yet. |
| 14:57.35 | kspath | Wow, maybe some of the morons that come in here are correct. |
| 14:58.03 | chealer | xoz: 2.6 does have mini stable branches since 2.6.11 |
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| 14:58.55 | xoz | chealer: i think a kernel branch is stable once linus starts a new development branch. the mini branches are still *not stable* IMO |
| 14:58.55 | java_open | pessoal assim tenho o slack 10.2, quando carrega o so o sistema da um start no hotplug e ele carrega o modulo da minha placa....so que o hotplug é um tanto lento...então desativei....como fazer para saber qual foi o modulo que ele carregou e depois carregar manualmente sem ter que ficar usando o hotplug? tentei o lsmod so que nao consegui diferenciar qual seria a placa de rede |
| 14:59.00 | java_open | alguem ai fala brasileiro |
| 14:59.14 | beardy | !br |
| 14:59.14 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:59.15 | xoz | !brasil |
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| 15:00.06 | N0S3 | hello |
| 15:00.08 | sybariten | btw, is there a live-version of debian ? |
| 15:00.14 | chealer | sybariten: no |
| 15:00.24 | sybariten | is that a hot potatoe ? |
| 15:00.41 | sybariten | hm, maybe that expression isnt translatable |
| 15:00.43 | chealer | xoz: yeah, "stable" has been a relative term since a while |
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| 15:01.13 | N0S3 | do I use debian with ddclient, can I ask a question about ddclient? |
| 15:01.18 | LinuxNIT | sybariten, no livecd of debian but there are many livecds that are debian based |
| 15:01.54 | sybariten | LinuxNIT: OK ... isnt that odd ? |
| 15:01.55 | beardy | sybariten: There seems to be some sub project which is going to make one. But use knoppix if you want a based-on-debian livecd. (#knoppix is the support channel, not here) |
| 15:01.58 | xoz | chealer: linus avoids leaving the branch premature as what happened to 2.4 but it seems he overdoes it. |
| 15:02.02 | efaistos | does someone use mencoder to encode some video for a pocketpc ? |
| 15:02.41 | LinuxNIT | sybariten, i dunno i never really considered it odd. but thats me |
| 15:02.54 | chealer | xoz: I don't see how you'd manage that, but I don't see the point of discussing it neither anyway |
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| 15:03.53 | beardy | sybariten: I think I know what you mean by "hot potatoe" :) .se? |
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| 15:04.05 | sybariten | beardy: japp |
| 15:04.41 | xoz | chealer: yep. just find it strange why until now the development is evolutionary instead of having a new *radical* branch. |
| 15:04.47 | sybariten | ah, i know, "controversial" could perhaps be used as a word instead .... that'd be less confusing as you guys probably have some distro with a secret codename in the line of potatoe |
| 15:05.04 | beardy | !potato |
| 15:05.04 | dpkg | somebody said potato was Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 15:05.09 | beardy | heh |
| 15:05.26 | chealer | xoz: why would there be a new "radical" branch? |
| 15:05.40 | chealer | yeah, potato is hot :) |
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| 15:07.18 | beardy | sybariten: No, livecd:s are not controversial, they're great when you need them. But we don't support anyone, only recommend them when appropriate. |
| 15:08.24 | xoz | chealer: software lifecycle dictates that debugging has its own deadend... at a certain point, it is better to start from a new lifecycle. maybe, the kernel is still evolving but it seems that having a development branch separate from the semi-stable branch is much saner. |
| 15:08.49 | iNAP | can someone send me that link again to adding a ntfs partion on linux? |
| 15:09.00 | Eulex | !ntfsro |
| 15:09.00 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 15:09.11 | Eulex | iNAP, that one? |
| 15:09.25 | sybariten | yeah, but so many of the distros today have both the normal install version _and_ a very similar live-version, so i just figured that since debian is older then Abe Simpson someone has to had the idea to make a "normal" debian liveCD |
| 15:09.33 | Eulex | hmm, that one looks a bit strange though |
| 15:09.34 | sybariten | (that was for beardy) |
| 15:09.35 | Eulex | !vfatrw |
| 15:09.35 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
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| 15:09.45 | Eulex | that one looks better to me. |
| 15:09.47 | quiet | is there some place to get lame for Etch? |
| 15:09.47 | iNAP | but its a ntfs |
| 15:09.52 | iNAP | i just need read access |
| 15:10.06 | Eulex | iNAP, read the full vfatrw factoid. |
| 15:10.13 | petemc | iNAP: mount /dev/foo /mnt/bar -o umask=022 |
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| 15:10.20 | tiny | I have a set of 5 machines withouth floppy drives and cdrom drives. They can boot from LAN or USB stick though. I'm thinking of creating some sort of automated install procedure. Something like: Install and setup 1st machine, then create auto install USB stick for other machines. Has anyone here tried this before? |
| 15:10.22 | Eulex | quiet, never heard of etch causing lameness |
| 15:10.30 | quiet | Eulex, -.- |
| 15:10.32 | quiet | :P |
| 15:10.54 | xoz | sybariten: it has been addressed by other distros based on debian. debian has other more important things to *do*. it is a question of priorities. |
| 15:10.57 | quiet | maybe marillat has it? |
| 15:11.00 | petemc | tiny: http://hands.com/d-i/ |
| 15:11.06 | Eulex | quiet, yeah, I know what you meant. get it at marillat :) |
| 15:11.09 | Eulex | !marillat |
| 15:11.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> |
| 15:11.25 | beardy | sybariten: Everyone can make their own if they want to, it's not hard, and there is already so many based-on-debian livecds, but as I said, I think there is a Debian subproject working on doing a Debian livecd. |
| 15:11.32 | xoz | sybariten: or making a livecd is that trivial that most developers don't find it *challenging* |
| 15:11.42 | Eulex | beardy, yes there is. |
| 15:11.42 | chealer | xoz: Linux 2.6 does have a new lifecycle, about every 2 months |
| 15:11.47 | sybariten | beardy: oh ok |
| 15:12.17 | sybariten | ok, how about this then, question not related to debian att all really: does anyone know if there was a specific technical reason that permitted the "explosion" of liveCDs? Seems they all came more or less in a short time |
| 15:12.23 | sybariten | s/att/at |
| 15:12.29 | bbrazil | tiny: fai maybe |
| 15:12.37 | chealer | xoz: I don't think the tribiality explanation is valid |
| 15:12.46 | chealer | s/tribiality/triviality |
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| 15:13.27 | beardy | sybariten: Probably "exploded" because one started it, knoppix perhaps, and everyone said "Ew, I want that $shiny_program/windowmanager instead, and made their variant, or their own. |
| 15:14.04 | sybariten | beardy: ok ... figured its something people should have wanted for a long time. when i saw the first one i thougt "ah, at last" |
| 15:14.06 | tiny | petemc: so far I've found fai and Progeny Installer based procedure ... but I don't like andy of them. They include floppy and cdrom stuff in install process ... will look into "hands-off" way thnx petemec |
| 15:14.16 | tiny | thnx bbrazil |
| 15:14.22 | Gnea | sybariten: that's basically how it happened - someone made the blueprint (knoppix) and it all went downhill from there |
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| 15:14.32 | xoz | chealer: linus and the rest are just tweaking things in such a way to avoid major breakage on the semi-stable branch. it is not really *development*. it is just patching little by little. i think it will saturate those developers who want more challenging codes to write.... anyway, this is offtopic. i rest my case. |
| 15:15.14 | Gnea | sybariten: debian was the perfect candidate to clone since it doesn't suffer from any of the license restrictions that other distros have |
| 15:15.18 | chealer | xoz: ok |
| 15:15.37 | beardy | Gnea: And because it's so modular. |
| 15:15.44 | Gnea | beardy: that too |
| 15:16.11 | xoz | and because making a livecd from debian with the *best* package management is a walk in the park. |
| 15:16.46 | sproingie | redhat has no more license restrictions than debian |
| 15:16.51 | Gnea | rpm-based distros have taken off, but have sufferred more due to the RPM concept being conceptually broken |
| 15:16.52 | chealer | xoz: you should tell that to Daniel Baumann |
| 15:16.53 | sproingie | both forbid you from using their branding, and that's about it |
| 15:17.10 | Gnea | sproingie: you are wrong. |
| 15:17.12 | beardy | sproingie: but it's crap |
| 15:17.18 | sproingie | Gnea: how so? |
| 15:17.21 | xoz | chealer: who? can you provide the link? |
| 15:17.38 | chealer | xoz: unless you meant allowing modifying source packages... |
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| 15:17.44 | chealer | xoz: see the last DWN |
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| 15:19.28 | Gnea | sproingie: redhat has a business-end so that they can provide support and whatnot to businesses - debian doesn't have that, that's why it remains in the public domain - but anyone can create a 'based on debian' distro and provide financial and support backing to it and use it in a business model that way. the difference? redhat's got a much firmer hold in the corporate environment than most other distros (suse has stepped up) while debian has... maybe ONE based- |
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| 15:19.47 | bleurgh | how do i stop debconf from trying to use dialog? |
| 15:20.29 | beardy | _blue: Rerun base-config ? |
| 15:20.32 | resiak | Gnea: truncated at "based-" |
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| 15:20.48 | sproingie | Gnea: you still didn't tell me where i was wrong |
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| 15:20.54 | chealer | bleurgh: are you using synaptic? otherwise # dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 15:20.54 | Gnea | resiak: which use? the first or second? |
| 15:21.07 | beardy | bleurgh: IIRC that's where it's asked about what interface debconf shall use. |
| 15:21.08 | xoz | chealer: daniel is talking *crap* |
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| 15:21.15 | resiak | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.27 | Gnea | has... maybe ONE based-on distro? |
| 15:21.55 | aarkerio | what was the first Debian with more than 2 CDs? |
| 15:22.05 | sproingie | golly. ubuntu, mepis, knoppix ... oodles of debian distros |
| 15:22.12 | beardy | aarkerio: Read at debian.org |
| 15:22.15 | chealer | xoz: OK, as long as you do better |
| 15:22.18 | bleurgh | chealer: yes, but it's trying to use dialog |
| 15:22.25 | bleurgh | and dialog is crashing on this machine :) |
| 15:22.32 | Gnea | sproingie: okay, well you said that redhat and debian are the same, but then you didn't exactly say in what manner... you mentioned the license, but you failed to mention which license in particular and how it resonates.. |
| 15:22.44 | xoz | chealer: i am not a fan of livecd. why reinvent the wheel? |
| 15:22.45 | chealer | bleurgh: did you consider installing libgnome2-perl? |
| 15:22.58 | chealer | xoz: reinvent which wheel? |
| 15:23.01 | xoz | chealer: all his reasoning to make a livecd is *crap* |
| 15:23.02 | Gnea | sproingie: their 'branding'? |
| 15:23.03 | sproingie | Gnea: i'm not talking about "resonance". i'm saying that there's virtually no license restrictions in basing off of other distros, redhat being one example |
| 15:23.20 | xoz | chealer: most livecd based on debian works fine. |
| 15:23.25 | Gnea | sproingie: oh ok, i misunderstood |
| 15:23.27 | bleurgh | chealer: no X |
| 15:23.32 | bleurgh | think i found solution though |
| 15:23.36 | sproingie | Gnea: the ONLY thing redhat requires is that you don't use their branding. debian is the same way. RH is possibly a bit more zealous about it, but it's the same restriction |
| 15:23.40 | bleurgh | you can specify iface on cmdline |
| 15:23.53 | sproingie | Gnea: no prob. have some coffee :) |
| 15:23.59 | Gnea | sproingie: that's more of a "common sense" sort of thing ;) |
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| 15:24.17 | Gnea | sproingie: actually, i'm about ready for a nap |
| 15:24.27 | Gnea | since work got postponed to later today |
| 15:25.10 | sproingie | i wonder what debian will do when it runs out of toy story characters? |
| 15:25.48 | blondie | toy story characters? |
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| 15:25.50 | Gnea | guess we'll find out when it gets there hehe |
| 15:25.58 | sproingie | blondie: all the releases are named after characters in Toy Story |
| 15:26.10 | chealer | xoz: I don't think so |
| 15:26.17 | Eulex | sproingie, ice age characters? :) |
| 15:26.17 | Gnea | blondie: woody, sarge, etch, sid.... |
| 15:26.21 | quiet | what is after Etch? |
| 15:26.23 | beardy | Hasn't someone mada a factoid of that question yet.. |
| 15:26.23 | xoz | chealer: we'll see |
| 15:26.28 | Eulex | quiet, not decided |
| 15:26.31 | quiet | ah |
| 15:26.35 | Gnea | Eulex: haha, i saw that for the first time a few weeks ago |
| 15:26.38 | blondie | Gnea: oh, didn't know that's where they came from |
| 15:26.39 | sproingie | maybe it'll be like linux 2.6 -- the last linux version ever |
| 15:26.54 | xoz | sproingie: maybe. |
| 15:27.04 | Gnea | blondie: yeah, it's been that way for awhile now |
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| 15:27.23 | Eulex | Gnea, hehe. it sounds like a good candidate if they want one more computer rendered movie by pixar. |
| 15:27.53 | xoz | pixar is a good *release* name |
| 15:28.11 | Eulex | xoz, not if they want to keep the theme |
| 15:28.28 | Gnea | Eulex: pixar's been putting out some good shit, but the creativity that drove disney is all gone, and they're trying to hold onto the past too tightly |
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| 15:28.55 | Eulex | Gnea, very true indeed |
| 15:29.33 | Eulex | aaanyway, I gotta go. see ya |
| 15:29.45 | Gnea | sleep time here |
| 15:29.54 | sproingie | i was quite sad to see pixar go to the dark side |
| 15:30.02 | xoz | disney is similar to sony. it is difficult to change for those who had been the *inovator* of previous era. |
| 15:30.13 | xoz | *innovator* |
| 15:30.34 | sproingie | disney is most known to me for churning out wretched cut-rate half-assed sequels |
| 15:30.48 | Phated | Fantastic first movies tho. |
| 15:31.03 | sproingie | toy story 2 was supposed to be one of those direct to video sequels but pixar had enough pride in it to make it as good as the first |
| 15:32.05 | fireba11 | sproingie: am wondering if now disney will make good movies, pixar movies will loose quality or what will happen |
| 15:32.09 | sproingie | maybe pixar will be the revival of disney's famed animation dept that they gutted long ago. oh well, tangents... |
| 15:32.27 | xoz | disney remained reliant to traditional art of making movie while the newcomers are embracing new techs. |
| 15:32.56 | sproingie | pah, they innovated new techs |
| 15:33.02 | sproingie | way back when |
| 15:34.15 | xoz | if steve jobs becomes the ceo, maybe disney will have the movie magic again. |
| 15:34.45 | sproingie | seriously doubt it |
| 15:34.53 | Phated | Only every movie will be polished and white :) |
| 15:35.06 | Phated | And for a change, it'll be in inverse colour :) |
| 15:35.18 | Ungy | xoz or disney will increase the prices for their video's by 50% for the same content |
| 15:35.22 | xoz | mercury or titanium |
| 15:35.54 | xoz | Ungy: maybe. |
| 15:36.18 | Ungy | xoz and then he will decide he doesn't like some faction of the company and fire them on a whim |
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| 15:36.53 | xoz | who would have thought 1 billion music was sold legally over the internet. |
| 15:37.15 | Ungy | xoz then make agreements with companies to develope things for Disney and suddenly decide that he will deny the Seal of Approval for the products and put those companies out of business |
| 15:37.49 | sproingie | Ungy: that's kind of what happens with studios right now |
| 15:37.52 | Ungy | xoz and after he totally tanks the company he will go to Warner and beg them to bail them out |
| 15:38.06 | xoz | Ungy: sounds like a good story. |
| 15:38.26 | xoz | Ungy: enron echoes |
| 15:38.27 | Ungy | xoz it's the story of apple and the arrogant piece of shit that is Steven Jobs |
| 15:39.04 | xoz | Ungy: well, you can't please everybody. |
| 15:39.18 | sproingie | studios can blow their budget on a picture, and if the parent doesn't approve it or releases it opposite a blockbuster, then the studio may be toast |
| 15:39.27 | Ungy | xoz your right but given a choice give me bill gates any day |
| 15:39.33 | sproingie | anyway ... i suppose this is still #debian |
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| 15:40.33 | xoz | Ungy: job is an innovator. bill is a copycat |
| 15:41.36 | Ungy | xoz job is no innovator however I will agree with bill |
| 15:42.16 | sproingie | innovators are people too busy innovating to be publicly known and get the spotlight like these narcissistic ceo's |
| 15:42.17 | Ungy | sproingie, exactly |
| 15:42.20 | sproingie | or whatever gates's title is these days |
| 15:42.31 | sproingie | "chief innovator" probably |
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| 15:42.39 | t0ne | hi |
| 15:42.45 | sproingie | welcome |
| 15:42.50 | xoz | Ungy: look at nexstep+pixar+mac. it is an innovation. |
| 15:43.22 | xoz | of course, after introducing the innovation, one gets the limelight. but history speaks for itself. |
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| 15:44.09 | Ungy | xoz under that means you woudl say that those dipshits who write papers and claim patents with no real world products are innovaters |
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| 15:44.37 | sproingie | xoz: steve is good at championing innovative things. i suppose people like him are necessary, but he's also not too good at giving credit |
| 15:44.41 | xoz | Ungy: i can't follow your logic. |
| 15:44.50 | Ungy | xoz and was it jobs or woz that came up with mac? |
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| 15:45.00 | sproingie | xoz: just remember the guy who's one letter off from your nick, he innovated apple into existence |
| 15:45.16 | xoz | sproingie: you may have point there. |
| 15:45.21 | Ungy | sproingie, exactly |
| 15:46.14 | sproingie | that's my big beef -- these ceo's never put their chief architects on stage with them when they get the adulation of the crowd |
| 15:46.22 | sproingie | maybe this is a favor to the architects tho |
| 15:46.37 | xoz | sproingie: Ungy: oh well, awards are subjective... still, wherever steve jobs is, you will see products that are *innovations* |
| 15:47.02 | xoz | give me a ceo with this innovations in their portfolio? |
| 15:47.21 | Ungy | xoz and wherever bill gates is you will see a lot of money and talented engineers improving on others ideas ;-) |
| 15:47.41 | xoz | Ungy: same dogs. different collars. |
| 15:47.43 | sproingie | Ungy: research.microsoft.com ... browse around there for a while, you'll see real neat stuff |
| 15:47.45 | Ungy | xoz and one that won't pay for his own daughter to go to College |
| 15:47.55 | sproingie | Ungy: don't judge a company by one asshat at the top |
| 15:48.15 | Ungy | sproingie, as he said it himself "I am Apple" |
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| 15:48.46 | knoxy | how I uninstall ALL of graphics (X11/gnome/kde) ? |
| 15:48.48 | sproingie | Ungy: how Louis XIV of him |
| 15:49.10 | sproingie | or was that napoleon |
| 15:49.19 | sproingie | "I am the state" |
| 15:49.26 | cahoot | de Gaulle |
| 15:49.44 | sproingie | every french leader since louis i guess |
| 15:50.00 | sproingie | tho somehow i don't see miterrand saying it |
| 15:50.19 | kielein | Is there a binary package of eagle-usb for kernel 2.6.15 (etch)? |
| 15:50.20 | xoz | knoxy: apt-get remove xbase-clients |
| 15:50.27 | xoz | knoxy: not sure though |
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| 15:54.11 | kimo__ | how do I force making a new initrd (to hopefully understand lvm) |
| 15:54.15 | thingfish | !tell knoxy about remove gnome |
| 15:54.23 | thingfish | !tell knoxy about remove kde |
| 15:55.49 | Fox | xoz: apt-get remove xbase-clients would remove startx I think |
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| 15:56.22 | thingfish | I personally would do apt-get remove --purge x-window-system |
| 15:57.15 | amee2k | my DSL line is disconnecting precisely every 24h. how can I check if that's my fault or caused by the provider? |
| 16:01.02 | sproingie | amee2k: connect something else to the dsl line for 24 hrs and see if it still resets? |
| 16:01.18 | thingfish | or call your ISP and ask them. |
| 16:01.29 | sproingie | true, tech support is there for a reason |
| 16:01.51 | sproingie | tho mostly i think it's to provide punishment for calling them |
| 16:02.35 | amee2k | themolester: i called the customer support but they only told me they have no idea why that appens and since I'm using pppd rather than their (brain-damaged) dial in software they can't help me anyway |
| 16:03.14 | quiet | themolester!? |
| 16:03.21 | quiet | HAHA |
| 16:04.37 | beardy | !flog amee2k's ISP's customer support |
| 16:04.59 | amee2k | lol |
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| 16:07.23 | abrotman | amee2k: you mean pppoe ? |
| 16:07.31 | abrotman | amee2k: nothing in the logs ? |
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| 16:07.39 | abrotman | amee2k: and is it every 24hrs on the dot? |
| 16:07.48 | abrotman | amee2k: you can set pppd to keepalive |
| 16:07.54 | jonathan` | which file do you edit to add something to startup with debian? |
| 16:08.12 | amee2k | only that the connection broke but they list no reason. and the connection is definitely so busy that i can't time out |
| 16:08.15 | nkuttler | jonathan`: man update-rc.d |
| 16:08.22 | abrotman | jonathan`: read /etc/init.d/README |
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| 16:08.37 | amee2k | it disconnects me precisely every 24h, even right in the middle of a download |
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| 16:09.47 | sproingie | beardy: lots of dialup concentrators are indeed windows boxen |
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| 16:10.53 | amee2k | anyone know details about t-online? |
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| 16:11.30 | MatBoy | Hehe, I like those people that want put SWraid down when you know that they only wantto put it down because they only know how to partition one disk :D |
| 16:11.34 | azeem | amee2k: their quarter results were bad and I guess their shares dropped |
| 16:12.16 | amee2k | their share and every morning at abt 10 to 7 my carrier |
| 16:12.52 | sproingie | i remember dsl ... i love my cable connection now. no pppoe, just dhcp |
| 16:13.06 | sproingie | enternet pppoe dialer was the only piece of software that ever bluescreened my win2k box |
| 16:13.23 | sproingie | with regularity. and it left all kinds of droppings after uninstalling it |
| 16:13.39 | amee2k | *sigh* |
| 16:14.01 | amee2k | wish i had like a 10M line :S |
| 16:14.21 | sproingie | 7M for me, not too bad |
| 16:14.39 | amee2k | how much do you pay? |
| 16:15.01 | sproingie | don't really recall, fiancee pays for it |
| 16:15.20 | sproingie | it's rcn's base level, 10M is their upgrade |
| 16:15.20 | amee2k | heh |
| 16:15.53 | jonathan` | is writing a script necessary just to add something into startup? |
| 16:15.57 | sproingie | rcn is in financial trouble tho, so they'll probably get bought by comcast and immediately start sucking |
| 16:16.21 | jonathan` | all the documentation seems to be leaning towards writing a script, but there are really no good examples that i can see |
| 16:16.37 | sproingie | maybe i'll get lucky and they'll get bought by roadrunner. rr lets its affiliates operate more or less independently |
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| 16:16.59 | nkuttler | jonathan`: what do you want to do at boot? |
| 16:17.09 | jonathan` | all I want to do is tell 2 daemons to start at boot up |
| 16:17.47 | nkuttler | jonathan`: which ones? how did you install them? |
| 16:17.51 | abrotman | sproingie: you wish .. comcast owns philly |
| 16:17.55 | sproingie | ah, looks like it's adelphia buying them |
| 16:17.58 | jonathan` | unrealircd and ircservices |
| 16:18.06 | abrotman | sproingie: isn't RCN based in PA? |
| 16:18.22 | jonathan` | I installed both of those with the usual linux (tar/config/make/make install) setup because there were no debian packages available for them that I saw |
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| 16:18.29 | nkuttler | jonathan`: look at /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 16:18.38 | abrotman | sproingie: oh .. VA .. i still vote they get bought by comcast |
| 16:19.07 | sproingie | ah nevermind. read "adelphia merger", but it's not rcn related |
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| 16:19.32 | jonathan` | do I have to add a 'start' in the file anywhere? |
| 16:19.33 | sproingie | abrotman: i'm in san francisco. comcast is all over, and their prices suck |
| 16:19.42 | abrotman | sproingie: i'm well aware .. i live outside philly :) |
| 16:19.53 | jonathan` | i see the path and everything and a daemon name and all that |
| 16:21.18 | iNAP | i need help: im trying to get my ntfs partion viewable, so i made the dir, and typed this: "mount -t ntfs -o user,ro,umask=0644 /dev/sda5 /media/partd" and then it opens the folder, and tells me i dont have permission to view the files. whats wrong? is the testing version kernel not support ntfs? |
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| 16:22.58 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 16:22.58 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 16:23.27 | Estes2 | !ntfsrw |
| 16:23.27 | dpkg | Write support for ntfs is not really available. Ask me about read-ntfs so you can read data on ntfs partitions. see <ro-ntfs> |
| 16:23.37 | iNAP | all i need is read. |
| 16:23.39 | geemark | for a Debian multidomain web/mail/mysql/misc server - what web-based tools would you recommend for surveilance and perhaps control from a sysadmin point of view? also, statistics about e.g. bandwidth, workload, memory etc. would be nice |
| 16:23.41 | iNAP | just to access my music |
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| 16:23.48 | abrotman | geemark: vi! |
| 16:23.56 | abrotman | !mrtg |
| 16:23.56 | dpkg | well, mrtg is old, use rrdtools instead. Check out http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html and RRDTOOL is at http://www.uni-ulm.de/~rbawidam/mrtg-rrd/ |
| 16:24.29 | abrotman | iNAP: afaik .. you need that uid stuff |
| 16:24.46 | Estes2 | the link indicated by dpkg at http://www.uni-ulm.de/~rbawidam/mrtg-rrd/ is a dead link |
| 16:24.48 | iNAP | where do i get this uid info? |
| 16:24.59 | iNAP | what is the uid info and such |
| 16:25.03 | iNAP | oh |
| 16:25.05 | iNAP | userid |
| 16:25.05 | abrotman | !rrdtool |
| 16:25.06 | dpkg | from memory, rrdtool is not as good as mrtg :) |
| 16:25.06 | abrotman | !rrdtools |
| 16:25.07 | iNAP | groupid |
| 16:25.23 | iNAP | do i leave fmask and dmask as is? |
| 16:25.41 | abrotman | !mrtg =~ s#http://www.uni-ulm.de/~rbawidam/mrtg-rrd/#http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/# |
| 16:25.41 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 16:25.45 | abrotman | Estes2: better? |
| 16:26.00 | Estes2 | http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/ |
| 16:26.06 | Estes2 | hehe |
| 16:26.10 | geemark | abrotman: i'll take a look, tahanks |
| 16:26.12 | Estes2 | I was looking for it too |
| 16:26.12 | iNAP | bah brb gotta poop :x |
| 16:26.31 | abrotman | geemark: though .. most people still use mrtg |
| 16:27.01 | Estes2 | !mrtg |
| 16:27.01 | dpkg | hmm... mrtg is old, use rrdtools instead. Check out http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html and RRDTOOL is at http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/ |
| 16:29.06 | tiny | ok ... there's a businesscard, netinst ISO image which I can locate from ftp/http sites. Where can I find a full one? I'm reffering to this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/6ysYOk83.html section of Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide. |
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| 16:31.35 | tiny | or .. what's a full Debian ISO image? |
| 16:32.01 | azeem | it's one which has more than 600 MB I guess |
| 16:32.34 | thingfish | !d-i tiny |
| 16:32.34 | dpkg | tiny, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:32.40 | metaperl | my open officer writer process is hung but oowriter is not shown when I ps -eaf | grep oowriter ... how can I kill this thing? |
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| 16:33.41 | davis | hello |
| 16:34.09 | jjhall | When doing a net install, Sarge had me enter in proxy information, which it still uses post-install. Where is this info saved? I've changed my proxy password and need to update it. |
| 16:34.35 | jjhall | I did some googling, found a few paths, but none of them had the correct info. |
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| 16:35.18 | davis | i was reading http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources.en.html#s-servers-cvs and it made me wonder. Is there only one CVS serve for all debian src? I thought there would be distributed servers for different regions. ie. one for asia, one for europe, one for the us, etc. This document makes me think that is not the case. |
| 16:35.25 | tiny | azeem: so it's a DVD image of 4.4GB? |
| 16:35.25 | abrotman | jjhall: check /etc/apt/ ? |
| 16:35.26 | abrotman | !proxy |
| 16:35.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, proxy is This is commonly a form of Internet security. You can use a proxy or proxy server to pass data between your internal network and the Internet. A machine on your network sends a request to the proxy. The proxy sends the request to a server on the Internet. Thus, it stands in for the computer on your network. The server on the Internet never knows that the request is coming from anywhere but the proxy. Thus 100 ... |
| 16:35.30 | abrotman | bah |
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| 16:35.50 | azeem | tiny: I would assume it's a CD image of approximately 650 MB |
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| 16:36.04 | abrotman | !apt-proxy.conf |
| 16:36.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-proxy.conf is the Config file for apt-proxy, it is usually located in /etc/apt-proxy/apt-proxy.conf , see man apt-proxy.conf for more info |
| 16:36.16 | tiny | azeem: yes but there are like 14 CD images |
| 16:36.23 | azeem | tiny: yes |
| 16:36.30 | Ronin | tiny: thats everything under the sun thats in debian |
| 16:36.33 | azeem | tiny: what is your queston/issuw? |
| 16:36.36 | azeem | issue, even |
| 16:36.39 | metaperl | ah, soffice is what it is |
| 16:36.44 | tiny | azeem: well that won't fit on my USB stick |
| 16:36.46 | tombs | hi all |
| 16:36.48 | azeem | tiny: yes |
| 16:36.53 | azeem | tiny: what is your queston/issue? |
| 16:36.59 | abrotman | unless you have a very very big usb stick :) |
| 16:37.03 | azeem | question, even |
| 16:37.03 | Ronin | tiny: not to mention you cant install everything thats on all 14cds |
| 16:37.09 | jonathan` | ok i got unrealircd to startup automatically on boot, but i did the same setup for ircservices and ircservices gives me an error about using an argument |
| 16:37.21 | jjhall | abrotman: /etc/apt/apt.conf had it. Google was pointing me toward /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/... Thank you very much |
| 16:37.43 | tiny | azeem: I read a manual and it said: Now you should put any Debian ISO image (businesscard, netinst __or even a full one__) onto your stick (if it fits). The file name of such an image must end in .iso |
| 16:37.57 | azeem | tiny: yes |
| 16:38.00 | tiny | azeem: so ... |
| 16:38.09 | azeem | tiny: so if your stick is less than 1GB, don't use the full ISO |
| 16:38.12 | azeem | easy as that |
| 16:38.19 | azeem | "if |
| 16:38.21 | azeem | eh |
| 16:38.30 | azeem | "if it fits" is the important part here |
| 16:38.45 | tiny | azeem: actually it's 4GB but I've made a 1GB partition ... so I should just put the first CD ISO image on it? |
| 16:38.55 | azeem | tiny: do whatever you want |
| 16:39.04 | tiny | jesus |
| 16:39.04 | azeem | you *can* do that, probably |
| 16:39.12 | azeem | why don't you just try it? |
| 16:39.26 | tiny | I thought I'd ask first |
| 16:39.55 | azeem | tiny: it sounds alright, you should try ti |
| 16:39.56 | azeem | it |
| 16:40.31 | tiny | ok then .. I'll try with the first CD ISO image |
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| 16:43.26 | abrotman | jjhall: glad to help |
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| 16:44.26 | jjhall | abrotman: I feel dumb, but I guess I was looking for something less obvious than a simple conf file with a plaintext <yuck> password. |
| 16:44.54 | abrotman | jjhall: sorry .. but it's a proxy .. and i believe it's 600 no ? |
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| 16:46.15 | Amorphous | my kernel leaks mem, how can i find out what does that? is there some way to see allocations by some grouping? |
| 16:46.20 | abrotman | jjhall: if you feel so inclined .. you could file a bug on it .. about storing the password plain text |
| 16:46.28 | abrotman | ask #kernel maybe? |
| 16:46.29 | jjhall | abrotman: Actually it is globally read, I'll have to play with it and see if I can restrict it some. I'm the only user on this box so it isn't a huge deal at this point. |
| 16:47.32 | stew | Amorphous: how did you determine that it leaks memory? |
| 16:47.41 | abrotman | jjhall: also .. in the docs .. it may state a way to store it encrypted |
| 16:47.48 | stew | Amorphous: can you show us the output of "free" ? |
| 16:47.54 | tiny | Amorphous: there's a good channel on OFTC server called #kernelnewbies. I'm sure you'll get your anwser over there. |
| 16:48.21 | jjhall | abrotman: I'll look into it. Even so, I think I'll probably file a bug after researching it some anyway, default to save it that way isn't a good idea IMHO. |
| 16:48.22 | tiny | or maybe here :) |
| 16:48.25 | zerve_the_death | when i try to startup my X i got the warning FreeFontPath shut down. I use xorg.conf, kernel 2.6.12 and sarge sid |
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| 16:48.39 | iNAP | back.. |
| 16:48.39 | abrotman | jjhall: i agree .. but there may be a good reason that i'm not aware of |
| 16:48.40 | Amorphous | stew: i stop most processes after some weeks uptime and i have 250mb used mem. |
| 16:48.40 | Ronin | sarge sid? which one is it |
| 16:48.46 | Amorphous | thx tiny |
| 16:49.05 | abrotman | 2.6.12 is'nt in any version of debian anymore afaik |
| 16:49.09 | jjhall | abrotman: Yep, which is why I'll research it before submitting a bug. :-) |
| 16:49.11 | tiny | no problem Amorphous. The server is irc.oftc.net |
| 16:49.16 | stew | Amorphous: you have 250mb used after you subtract cache mem or before? |
| 16:49.26 | Amorphous | after |
| 16:50.14 | Amorphous | stew: last time i checked it was even more i think as memtest 200m got killed when it tired to lock the mem. |
| 16:50.25 | Amorphous | and i have 500m ram |
| 16:50.38 | abrotman | jjhall: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=270351 .. somewhat related .. and not a bad idea IMO |
| 16:50.54 | zerve_the_death | so abrotman i need to install 2.6.15? |
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| 16:51.15 | abrotman | i didn't say that .. just taht 2..6.12 doesn't exist anywhere afaik |
| 16:51.45 | zerve_the_death | ok |
| 16:52.06 | jjhall | abrotman: That is the exact thing. I'll probably add some comments to it. Thanks for the assistance! |
| 16:52.14 | abrotman | jjhall: have a nice day |
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| 16:52.34 | jjhall | abrotman: Same to you. |
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| 16:55.16 | Chance | anyone has any ideea why apache load average can go up to 17% |
| 16:55.18 | Chance | ? |
| 16:55.21 | Chance | and much more |
| 16:55.22 | Chance | ? |
| 16:55.58 | tiny | Chance: traffic increase? |
| 16:55.59 | Estes2 | I know verisign uses a tool to check on the validity of a dns server, anyone knows about one ? |
| 16:56.08 | Estes2 | i know dig |
| 16:57.02 | geemark | does someone know an easy way to set up a simple mailing-list? just an address I can mail (from a specific domain only) and then mails everyone, preferrably in a static file, so I can script the list? |
| 16:57.40 | iNAP | whats a recommended media player? |
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| 16:58.12 | Chance | tiny that also |
| 16:58.16 | Chance | but not much |
| 16:58.49 | thingfish | totem is good. |
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| 16:59.36 | iNAP | can i use skins with it? |
| 16:59.37 | tiny | Chance: it was the only thing that came to my mind(Traffic increase = bigger load average). Not an Apache expert. |
| 16:59.39 | geemark | I'm using postfix if that helps |
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| 17:00.04 | Ronin | iNAP: xmms, higly skinable |
| 17:00.44 | wols_ | iNAP: both, kde and gnome are "skinnable" |
| 17:00.56 | wols_ | so any mediaplayre from them is too |
| 17:01.00 | iNAP | ah.. |
| 17:01.02 | iNAP | heh ok |
| 17:01.33 | Ronin | just about everything is skinable i swear |
| 17:01.51 | sbbackk | any rep to get postgresql 8.xx on 3.1r1 ? |
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| 17:02.35 | thingfish | skins? with totem? I don't know - never occurred to me to look for such a thing. |
| 17:03.34 | Ronin | mplayer certainly is but that comes with the baggage of mplayer |
| 17:03.57 | wols_ | sbbackk: looked on backports yet? |
| 17:04.32 | wols_ | whoever thought first of "skins" should be shot. twice to make sure he stays dead |
| 17:05.12 | sbbackk | wols_, 3.1r.1's postgresql default is 7.x series |
| 17:05.13 | cahoot | or simply skinned |
| 17:05.52 | wols_ | sbbackk: I didn't say anything about what comes as default. I spoke about backports |
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| 17:06.03 | wols_ | !tell sbbackk about backports |
| 17:07.19 | quiet | isn't like... old school quake available for linux?? |
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| 17:07.24 | quiet | is it in any of the debian repos? |
| 17:07.58 | wols_ | up to q3 is available under GPL or so. but not the datafiles |
| 17:08.02 | treyh0 | what is the 'k' for in kfreebsd-gnu? |
| 17:08.11 | quiet | wols_, so what's that mean?? |
| 17:08.14 | wols_ | kde perhaps? |
| 17:08.27 | wols_ | quiet: it means the code is free the levels/maps/textures etc are not |
| 17:08.46 | wols_ | meaning, you can't play quake with it unless you already haev the game |
| 17:08.55 | quiet | :\ |
| 17:08.56 | jetscreamer | the just put/are putting radiant gpl also |
| 17:09.05 | quiet | i have it somewhere. |
| 17:09.07 | wols_ | maybe you should play enemy territory? |
| 17:09.16 | quiet | i don't have the graphics for that |
| 17:09.19 | quiet | this is a laptop |
| 17:09.20 | wols_ | that one is multiplayer, thriving, and free (just not as in freedom) |
| 17:09.23 | quiet | witha n ATI AGP card |
| 17:09.30 | quiet | low...low GL stuff is all it can do |
| 17:09.33 | wols_ | what kind of ati card? |
| 17:09.36 | jetscreamer | et is just a wee bit more resource intensive than q3 |
| 17:09.38 | sbbackk | wols_, thanks |
| 17:09.40 | wols_ | ET can run on a gf3mx type of card |
| 17:09.40 | quiet | IGP 340 |
| 17:09.48 | jetscreamer | if you can run q3 you should be able to run et |
| 17:09.51 | wols_ | that should work |
| 17:09.53 | quiet | i can't |
| 17:09.57 | quiet | no ati drivers |
| 17:10.06 | wols_ | not even the shitty binary only ones? |
| 17:10.08 | on1009 | xorg? |
| 17:10.39 | on1009 | xorgs got IGP340M opengl drivers |
| 17:10.41 | quiet | no.. ati doesn't make linux drivers for the IGP chipsets... |
| 17:10.47 | on1009 | ors so i recall |
| 17:10.56 | quiet | on1009, yeah.. but they aren't very powerful for opengl stype stuff.. |
| 17:11.04 | on1009 | ok |
| 17:11.12 | wols_ | RS200 is supported by xorg |
| 17:11.24 | wols_ | quiet: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/radeon.4.html |
| 17:11.27 | quiet | the new drivers with 6.9 are MUCH better than the previous.. |
| 17:11.38 | abrotman | the great battle of 5char nicks! |
| 17:11.53 | wols | :P |
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| 17:14.31 | DogWater | Does anyone know how to enable PAE on debian? |
| 17:14.45 | abrotman | DogWater: uname -a |
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| 17:15.04 | abrotman | DogWater: and what CPU do you have? |
| 17:15.18 | DogWater | Linux server6 2.6.8-2-686-smp #1 SMP Tue Aug 16 12:08:30 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:15.22 | DogWater | dual xeon |
| 17:15.25 | DogWater | 3.2ghz |
| 17:15.32 | abrotman | and how much RAM? |
| 17:15.35 | DogWater | 4GB |
| 17:15.39 | abrotman | and you can't see it all? |
| 17:15.39 | blondie | o.o |
| 17:15.43 | DogWater | only 3.5GB |
| 17:15.56 | abrotman | DogWater: isn't that a side effect of using PAE ? |
| 17:16.06 | abrotman | DogWater: it has to use a portion of ram for address space? |
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| 17:16.31 | DogWater | well; not to sound like a complete pleb here, but whenever we notice this issue on Windows we have to enable PAE in order to get it to work.. so i guess i dont understand fully how PAE interacts with the system |
| 17:16.44 | abrotman | DogWater: otherwise .. you'll have to recompile your kernel and enable 64GB support .. 4GB is already enabled (check /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686-smp) |
| 17:16.47 | wols | DogWater: the kernel needs some part of the address space |
| 17:16.56 | DogWater | 512MB seems a little high |
| 17:16.59 | abrotman | DogWater: but i don't think you'll be able to see anymore |
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| 17:17.07 | wols | not high at all |
| 17:17.19 | wols | windows has the same limit (eevn more IIRC) when used with 4GB max |
| 17:17.22 | abrotman | DogWater: i think 3.5/4 is about right for PAE |
| 17:17.26 | wols | and yes, it looks like you're missing PAE |
| 17:17.41 | DogWater | Hm, no bigmem kernel eh? :D |
| 17:17.42 | wols | in 2.4 days it was 2GB max per process |
| 17:17.43 | DogWater | too easy |
| 17:17.52 | abrotman | DogWater: yes .. you have HIGHMEM |
| 17:18.42 | abrotman | DogWater: i'm runnign the same kernel |
| 17:18.43 | abrotman | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
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| 17:19.47 | DogWater | anyone remember the command off the top of their head to make the kernel package from the debian source? |
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| 17:19.51 | DogWater | I cant remember what its called atm |
| 17:19.52 | abrotman | !tell DogWater about kp |
| 17:19.56 | abrotman | DogWater: but it's not going to help |
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| 17:20.05 | abrotman | DogWater: ask #kernel or #kernelnewbies on oftc if you don't believe us |
| 17:20.19 | abrotman | #kernel is on freenode |
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| 17:26.21 | DogWater | seems like all im doing these days is building kernels |
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| 17:26.43 | lazzarello | how would I change the umask a user writes files as and keep that user's shell /bin/false? is this possible? |
| 17:27.04 | DogWater | do you mean for example the nobody account? |
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| 17:27.32 | lazzarello | DogWater, for example, yes. but specifically the asterisk account. |
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| 17:27.49 | lazzarello | I need it to write files with a umask of 027 |
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| 17:28.49 | DogWater | couldnt you just make asterik run as a different user? |
| 17:29.06 | DogWater | not to be argumentative and widen the scope |
| 17:29.15 | lazzarello | no. it's running fine as it's own user. |
| 17:29.55 | stew | lazzarello: you want to change the umask of a daemon that is running? |
| 17:30.06 | lazzarello | stew, yes |
| 17:30.20 | lazzarello | so it can write files other applications in the same group can read |
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| 17:30.36 | stew | lazzarello: if the initscript uses /etc/default/$NAME put the umask in there, otherwise put it right into the init script |
| 17:30.40 | lazzarello | currently it's writing files readable by only itself |
| 17:30.51 | lazzarello | stew, thanks. |
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| 17:31.10 | stew | lazzarello: if its asterisk you can put it into /etc/default/asterisk |
| 17:31.32 | lazzarello | right on! |
| 17:32.53 | DogWater | gah; why cant there be decent enterprise backup software that works on windows and linux |
| 17:32.57 | DogWater | other than rsync :D |
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| 17:33.18 | lazzarello | DogWater, uhhh, rsync + samba? |
| 17:33.20 | DogWater | Bakbone makes me want to stab my own eyes out |
| 17:33.39 | DogWater | lazzarello: it needs to be "system" level, i.e. I can put a cd in, and tell it to fix my box. |
| 17:33.49 | lazzarello | you should never run Windows as a backup server but it's easy to run them as clients with Windows file sharing. |
| 17:34.07 | DogWater | All of the good backup software runs fine in windows. |
| 17:34.15 | DogWater | they just all kind of suck |
| 17:34.26 | quiet | hey guys... i need some help... i an trying to install ndiswrapper... using module-assistant |
| 17:34.28 | lazzarello | DogWater, you can use dd to make an image of the disk |
| 17:34.53 | stew | quiet: be more specific, what did you try and what problem did you have? |
| 17:34.54 | DogWater | The servers cant be down whilst im backing them up, as some of my boxen are windows 2k3, DD presents a problem |
| 17:35.04 | quiet | i am... i'm typing it out... just a sec. |
| 17:35.38 | lazzarello | DogWater, uhh. godspeed. |
| 17:35.43 | quiet | it fails.. the log shows: /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper/wrapper.c:286: warning: statement with no effect make[4]: *** [/usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper/wrapper.o] error 1 |
| 17:36.01 | stew | quiet: it's not filing because of that warning |
| 17:36.02 | kyncani | DogWater: what about backuppc or amanda ? |
| 17:36.22 | stew | quiet: what version of debian? which version of ndiswrapper? |
| 17:36.44 | lazzarello | personally speaking, Windows servers are only useful after installing cygwin. |
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| 17:37.06 | stew | quiet: and what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:37.12 | quiet | Etch... using module assistant with a 2.6.15 kernel... http://pastebin.com/578675 |
| 17:37.13 | DogWater | hm, i think this kernel i just built is outputting the console via serial lol |
| 17:37.25 | DogWater | not the memory kernel, the other one |
| 17:38.10 | quiet | stew, i did aptitude install module-assistant module-assistant prepare module-assistant auto-install ndiswrapper |
| 17:38.18 | quiet | this error is during the last operation |
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| 17:38.40 | quiet | stew, 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 17:38.41 | stew | !dbugs 353020 |
| 17:38.44 | dpkg | #353020:N[ndiswrapper-source] ndiswrapper-source: won't compile with m-a and kernel 2.6.15; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:03:01 UTC |
| 17:38.56 | quiet | what is m-a ? |
| 17:39.01 | quiet | and is there any kind of fix? |
| 17:39.07 | lazzarello | !tell quiet about m-a |
| 17:39.19 | stew | quiet: yes, see that bug report |
| 17:39.24 | quiet | ohh ok |
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| 17:39.28 | ninnnu | Hey, is Debian's kernel BadRAM-patched by default? (BadRAM's homepages says that it is, http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/results.html ) |
| 17:39.33 | stew | quiet: m-a is just shorthand for module-assistant |
| 17:39.42 | quiet | ok |
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| 17:41.20 | stew | ninnnu: no they aren't patched, the patch is available via apt-get which is what that page is saying |
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| 17:43.09 | quiet | reading through the bug report... i'm a little confused as to what i need to do.. |
| 17:43.22 | quiet | should i just follow the normal wiki installation instructions? |
| 17:43.22 | DogWater | normally do you guys compile frame buffer support into your kernels? |
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| 17:43.38 | stew | quiet: 2) Let it fail and edit /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper/wrapper.c and |
| 17:43.46 | stew | quiet: you need to do that part |
| 17:44.16 | stew | DogWater: i let debian do it for me |
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| 17:45.50 | davis | is there a debian developers channel? |
| 17:46.07 | eeyore- | dogwal: i do |
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| 17:47.00 | shining | is it possible to automatically regainst a deb package with the current libraries (and have the dep updated as well) ? |
| 17:47.05 | shining | huh |
| 17:47.07 | quiet | stew, i edited the file.. when i run ./debian/rules binary-module it returns make: *** No rule to make target `binary-module'. stop. |
| 17:47.08 | shining | rebuild |
| 17:48.14 | stew | quiet: what version of ndiswrapper-source? |
| 17:48.25 | quiet | umm... whatever module-assistant got last night? |
| 17:48.35 | quiet | 1.1 |
| 17:49.00 | stew | quiet: can you just please check |
| 17:49.10 | shining | is it possible to automatically rebuild a deb package with the current libraries (and have the deps updated as well) ? |
| 17:49.16 | quiet | cat version returned NDISWRAPPER_VERSION=1.1 |
| 17:49.26 | stew | quiet: dpkg -l ndiswrapper-source |
| 17:49.40 | quiet | 1.1-4 |
| 17:49.48 | stew | shining: apt-get -b install packagename |
| 17:50.15 | stew | quiet: then i'd guess you were in the wrong directory when you ran rules |
| 17:50.53 | quiet | # pwd |
| 17:50.58 | quiet | /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper |
| 17:51.12 | stew | quiet: or read the rules file and see what targets are available |
| 17:52.05 | quiet | it's binary-modules!! |
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| 17:52.08 | quiet | with an "s" |
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| 17:52.10 | quiet | :) |
| 17:52.22 | stew | quiet: can you please use reportbug to update the bug? |
| 17:52.52 | stew | acutally you don't need reportbug, what am i thinking, just mail 353020@bugs.debian.org |
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| 17:53.33 | shining | stew: this requires working deps |
| 17:53.37 | davis | anybody know about cvs.debian.org? |
| 17:53.45 | stew | shining: apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 17:54.01 | quiet | stew, and say what in the body?? |
| 17:54.15 | shining | stew: same :( |
| 17:54.28 | stew | quiet: that the target is named binary-modules not binary-module |
| 17:54.39 | stew | shining: you need to be more specific then about the problem you are having |
| 17:54.39 | Loof | Is there a current preference of xfree86 vs x.org servers these days... or are the packages out there just to give options. |
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| 17:54.43 | blondie | quiet: shush |
| 17:54.47 | evilbulgarian | hi, is it possible to reset the mysql root password without stopping the mysql server? |
| 17:54.52 | stew | shining: /msg dpkb bat |
| 17:54.53 | quiet | blondie, ??? |
| 17:55.00 | quiet | stew, will do... thanks |
| 17:55.03 | stew | shining: err /msg dpkg bat |
| 17:55.06 | misha-strong | how do I check what version of debian I am running? |
| 17:55.06 | stew | quiet: thank you |
| 17:55.07 | blondie | quiet: <-- |
| 17:55.13 | quiet | ;) |
| 17:55.27 | wols | misha-strong: check your libc6 version or cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:55.36 | shining | stew: the app depends on a specific version of a lib. the lib was updated, but the app wasn't, so it's broken |
| 17:55.37 | stew | misha-strong: run "dpkg -l libc6" and compare that version to the versions listed at http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 17:55.42 | misha-strong | 3.1 /o/ |
| 17:55.53 | misha-strong | sarge i hope? |
| 17:55.57 | wols | yes |
| 17:55.59 | stew | shining: i can't help if you are going to be vague, /msg dpkg bat |
| 17:56.11 | misha-strong | caus I just did a apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 17:56.42 | shining | stew: E: Build-Depends dependency for ekiga-cvs cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libpt-cvs can satisfy version requirements |
| 17:56.56 | misha-strong | I only downloaded 25MB of updates: is this correct or do I need to update mirrors or something? |
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| 17:57.13 | stew | shining: what version of debian? |
| 17:57.31 | shining | sarge |
| 17:57.33 | stew | shining: those aren't debian packages |
| 17:57.37 | misha-strong | I'm still on KDE 3.3 and it says its the newest version ! |
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| 17:57.44 | shining | stew: no |
| 17:57.54 | thingfish | misha-strong: are you wanting 3.5? |
| 17:57.54 | shining | stew: hmm well, not official ones |
| 17:57.56 | wols | misha-strong: if you change your sources list and then dist-upgrade it'susually amore. if you just installed sarge and then dist-upgraded it's only security updates, so 25MB is ok |
| 17:58.01 | misha-strong | thingfish, yes |
| 17:58.19 | thingfish | misha-strong: afaik, it's only available for sarge via backports. |
| 17:58.22 | misha-strong | wols: I upgraded from 3.0 woody |
| 17:58.33 | stew | shining: so your question is how do i rebuild a package when i can't satisfy the build-deps? the answer is you can't |
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| 17:58.40 | misha-strong | bbl |
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| 17:58.53 | shining | stew: that's weird |
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| 17:58.58 | stew | not at all |
| 17:59.06 | JPX | question: is there anywhere I can get "Debian-Reference" in print? Has any site published it for sale in book form? |
| 17:59.37 | shining | stew: well, if a librarie is updated with minor changes, you just have to rebuild the app against it, and it'll work fine most of the times |
| 17:59.43 | shining | that's the case |
| 17:59.56 | elirips | where can i place an export command to export a path, so that is available for all users? until now i did it in my ~/.bashrc, but is there an easier way to make it active for every user? |
| 17:59.59 | simonrvn | JPX: website? www.debian.org maybe |
| 18:00.15 | stew | shining: apt-get source packagename, edit debian/control |
| 18:00.19 | stew | shining: /msg dpkg source |
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| 18:00.30 | shining | stew: ok, thanks |
| 18:00.34 | stew | elirips: /etc/profile |
| 18:00.51 | elirips | stew: thank you |
| 18:00.57 | stew | shining: i thihk i was misunderstanding and thinking those packages weren't available at all |
| 18:01.01 | JPX | simonrvn: hmmm, i looked there and haven;t seen any hint of that. i'll look again. thx |
| 18:01.33 | stew | shining: however, when someone uses versioned depends in a control file, its usually for a reason, you might ask the maintainer |
| 18:01.39 | JPX | it's a big reference. alot for me to print myself |
| 18:01.46 | JPX | :/ |
| 18:02.10 | abrotman | JPX: /msg dpkg refcard .. it's a short reference for basic stuff |
| 18:02.15 | simonrvn | oh, i think it's downloadable (apt-get) actually |
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| 18:03.10 | shining | stew: I believe these cvs packages are automatically built. maybe there is a bug in the process |
| 18:03.15 | JPX | abrotman: but i want the whole enchalada. i use it so often. I'm surprised no one at debian is doing this. it's money for them, ya know? |
| 18:03.18 | fcn | when i try to log in, i get a warning that says " configuration error - unknown item 'FAIL_DELAY' (notify administrator) and then logs in. |
| 18:03.32 | nrg__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:04.39 | evilbulgarian | hi, is it possible to reset the mysql root password without stopping the mysql server? |
| 18:04.44 | JPX | some one at debian should shake the grass n startle the snakes at no starch press to publish some of their manuals. ;) |
| 18:04.55 | LoRez | evilbulgarian: sure, if you already know it ;) |
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| 18:05.21 | evilbulgarian | LoRez: inherited the server with out that bit of info :) |
| 18:06.02 | fcn | when i try to log in, i get a warning that says " configuration error - unknown item 'FAIL_DELAY' (notify administrator) " and then logs in. |
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| 18:06.24 | vin` | JPX: /msg dpkg reference |
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| 18:07.15 | larard | I'm trying to find which package contains the man 3 manpages for things like 'fork', 'exec' etc. Anyone? |
| 18:07.52 | JPX | vin`: k thx. |
| 18:08.45 | vin` | larard: manpages-dev |
| 18:08.47 | JPX | guess i'll be using much ink in the near future. errr :/ |
| 18:08.56 | abrotman | JPX: or pay kinkos :) |
| 18:09.17 | abrotman | JPX: i checked into getting the pgsql manual printed at kinkos(and bound) .. it was like $140 or something |
| 18:10.20 | JPX | abrotman: sound STEEEEP. lol. but the toner in my printer is pretty expensive so it might be close actually. lol |
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| 18:10.41 | vin` | JPX: why not just read it online? |
| 18:11.07 | shining | stew: can I make apt-get build-dep use the new control file? |
| 18:11.36 | larard | vin`: thanks. |
| 18:11.41 | ninnnu | stew: ok |
| 18:11.51 | JPX | vin`: i already have so much other reading online as well. so i like to have manuals also of my reading material otherwise you might as well weld my pc to my waist. lol |
| 18:12.00 | vin` | larard: apt-file search helps in cases like these. |
| 18:12.35 | abrotman | JPX: you have to find out how many pages .. call kinkos . tell them you want it double-sided and bound .. ask how much |
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| 18:13.51 | JPX | abrotman: k, thx. i'll try that. :) |
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| 18:16.31 | JPX | tc ppl. thx for all the help. gotta run. |
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| 18:18.35 | sandman | When one installs Moin, is a default administrator account for it created? |
| 18:18.54 | abrotman | look in the docs |
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| 18:20.51 | stew | shining: no, you need to apt-get install the build-deps yourself |
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| 18:21.16 | matthew_i | can users with a UID less than 1000 login on the system? |
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| 18:21.35 | stew | matthew_i: sure |
| 18:21.59 | Glanzmann | It is more like a convention. |
| 18:22.02 | matthew_i | ok |
| 18:22.03 | matthew_i | thanks |
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| 18:22.07 | shining | stew: ha ok |
| 18:22.10 | stew | my wife insists on being uid 18 |
| 18:22.29 | abrotman | stew: does it make her feel younger? :) |
| 18:22.41 | stew | abrotman: its just her favorite |
| 18:23.01 | stew | actually it looks like she's not doing that anymore |
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| 18:24.31 | Estes2 | I wish my wife would want uid 69 |
| 18:24.44 | unstable | I wish I had a wife. |
| 18:24.53 | Estes2 | hehe |
| 18:24.54 | unstable | Or I wish I knew a girl who knew what uid was. |
| 18:24.55 | abrotman | Estes2: maybe she does .. just not on your machine |
| 18:25.02 | Estes2 | abrotman, :P |
| 18:25.12 | stew | of course the perfect example for matthew_i was uid0 |
| 18:25.26 | ubuh-huntuh | they want uid $ |
| 18:25.33 | Estes2 | unstable, you need to be stable to get a wife, you'll have to go sarge |
| 18:26.12 | Glanzmann | Estes2: You don't. |
| 18:26.13 | stew | !downgrade |
| 18:26.14 | dpkg | from memory, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. |
| 18:26.17 | stew | not possible |
| 18:26.25 | Glanzmann | There is one in unstable. |
| 18:26.25 | unstable | downgrade is possible |
| 18:26.27 | unstable | but not recommened |
| 18:26.39 | unstable | stew: yes it is, ask dondelelcaro |
| 18:26.44 | Glanzmann | Why do you want a wife which was evaluted by dozens before? |
| 18:26.49 | abrotman | unstable: you can never be 100% sure it's 100% downgraded |
| 18:26.58 | unstable | I know. |
| 18:27.10 | unstable | I'm not saying I'm going to do it, I'm just saying it is possible. |
| 18:27.17 | unstable | I would never do it, be 10x easier just to format. |
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| 18:27.24 | unstable | backup then format |
| 18:27.32 | Glanzmann | unstable: It isn't really an option. More like a fallback option. |
| 18:27.59 | Glanzmann | But you geeks who compare distributions to girls, tell me how I can import the gpg keys top verify testing packages when installing them. |
| 18:28.05 | Glanzmann | Or tell me where I can read it up. |
| 18:28.07 | stew | Glanzmann: /topic |
| 18:28.13 | unstable | I would rather be maintainer for drscheme before I downgraded from sid tos arge. |
| 18:28.15 | Estes2 | evaluated also means she has more experience and will give you more satisfaction, you also won't have to always have to fix this and this in your couple |
| 18:28.53 | unstable | Everyone knows girls only date debian users. |
| 18:28.58 | joesboxd3b | question.... i just recently wrote a script that relied on the /usr/lib/menu being there. then i moved to sarge and the menu files moved to /usr/share/menu |
| 18:29.13 | unstable | Ubuntu has stupid code name, breezy badger sounds like a douche kit brand name sold at a woman's store. |
| 18:29.14 | joesboxd3b | is that a sarge thing or am i missing something |
| 18:29.19 | unstable | Gentoo takes forever. |
| 18:29.24 | Glanzmann | thanks |
| 18:29.38 | unstable | Fedora users are free employees to help redhat make money with their enterprise customers with RHEL |
| 18:29.41 | unstable | !start a distro war |
| 18:29.42 | dpkg | RHEL 0wnz! |
| 18:29.45 | stew | joesboxd3b: its an fhs think, menu files are arch independent so they will be in /usr/share/ from here on |
| 18:30.04 | Glanzmann | W: GPG error: http://ftp2.de.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 18:30.07 | Glanzmann | Doesn't work anyway |
| 18:30.18 | unstable | !tell Glanzmann about 2006 key |
| 18:30.18 | stew | Glanzmann: did you see /topic? |
| 18:30.45 | joesboxd3b | wait a sec... i think i have my facts backwards.... etch is stable right? |
| 18:30.52 | Coweater | no |
| 18:30.53 | unstable | joesboxd3b: no |
| 18:30.54 | joesboxd3b | or is it sarge stable |
| 18:30.56 | stew | joesboxd3b: no, sarge is stable, etch is testing |
| 18:30.57 | unstable | !tell joesboxd3b about releases |
| 18:30.59 | joesboxd3b | ok.sorry |
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| 18:31.22 | joesboxd3b | i usually just use stable/testing/unstable |
| 18:31.28 | unstable | joesboxd3b: /msg dpkg etch; /msg dpkg sid; /msg dpkg sarge; |
| 18:31.32 | unstable | !tell joesboxd3b about msgdpkg |
| 18:31.47 | Glanzmann | unstable: Hopefully better. |
| 18:32.30 | joesboxd3b | so when etch becomes stable then the /usr/lib/menu will dissappear? |
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| 18:32.34 | Glanzmann | Now it works. |
| 18:32.42 | Glanzmann | Is the apt-get key thing also available for stable? |
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| 18:33.10 | unstable | Glanzmann: yes |
| 18:33.16 | joesboxd3b | thanks unstable |
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| 18:33.18 | chealer | Glanzmann: no |
| 18:33.34 | unstable | !tell Glanzmann about apt-secure |
| 18:33.40 | unstable | !tell Glanzmann about backports |
| 18:33.51 | stew | joesboxd3b: it looks like on etch things are in both places right now, anything putting stuff in /usr/lib/menu should probably have bugs filed against it |
| 18:34.05 | Glanzmann | !flame glanzmann till he stops asking stupid questions. |
| 18:34.05 | dpkg | glanzmann till he stops asking stupid questions.: YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 18:34.15 | unstable | Glanzmann: Your apt version doesn't support it, but you can use backports in which case "the apt-get key thing" will be "also available for stable" |
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| 18:34.35 | harleyg | and a 1 |
| 18:34.36 | harleyg | and a 2 |
| 18:34.37 | stew | Glanzmann: what version does "dpkg -l apt" report? |
| 18:34.38 | Glanzmann | unstable: Nice. |
| 18:34.39 | harleyg | and a 1 2 3 4! |
| 18:34.49 | harleyg | is this the way to amarillo... |
| 18:35.02 | Glanzmann | unstable: 0.5.28.6 |
| 18:35.51 | stew | Glanzmann: yes that's stable. the apt-key thing didn't start until apt 0.6 |
| 18:36.00 | Glanzmann | I see. |
| 18:36.40 | Glanzmann | Testing is almost stable for me. Except for the vim brokage and making screen in debian even unusabler. |
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| 18:36.55 | Glanzmann | And which idiot pushed a sudo with a changed default behaviour into stable. |
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| 18:37.12 | stew | Glanzmann: how is screen unusable? |
| 18:37.13 | Glanzmann | I thought about getting the addresses of the people and visit them with my friends or a gun and shoot them. |
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| 18:37.25 | stew | Glanzmann: huh? |
| 18:37.28 | Glanzmann | stew: It doesn't spawn login shells - even if it is told to do so. |
| 18:37.31 | stew | Glanzmann: which people? |
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| 18:37.38 | Glanzmann | It doesn't work on my 21' EIZO Monitor. |
| 18:37.44 | Glanzmann | I can't open more than 40 windows. |
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| 18:37.47 | stew | Glanzmann: did you file a bug? |
| 18:37.58 | Glanzmann | It crashes when my dialup hangs up |
| 18:38.03 | Glanzmann | stew: More than one. |
| 18:38.10 | stew | Glanzmann: can you point me to one? |
| 18:38.11 | Glanzmann | But the screen maintainer is stupid, lazy or both. |
| 18:38.17 | stew | Glanzmann: did you submit a patch? |
| 18:38.20 | wireddd | wow firefox just managed to bring my entire system down |
| 18:38.31 | unstable | wireddd: many people have said that. |
| 18:38.37 | unstable | wireddd: Are you using testing? |
| 18:38.44 | starfishy | methinks Glanzman is one of the people who want something for free and then get mad if it doesnt work the way they want to |
| 18:38.51 | wireddd | I think I am using unstable |
| 18:38.56 | Glanzmann | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=submitter&data=sithglan%40stud.uni-erlangen.de&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable |
| 18:38.57 | stew | Glanzmann: oh, in the experimental version? |
| 18:38.59 | abrotman | you think? |
| 18:39.07 | Glanzmann | stew: Yes, I did submit a workaround for a few problems. |
| 18:39.07 | unstable | !tell Glanzmann about lwn |
| 18:39.11 | wireddd | unstable firefox on testing which is never a good idea |
| 18:39.20 | Glanzmann | stew: The login shell in experminatl. The rest in 'stable'. |
| 18:39.44 | Glanzmann | But I don't care, I recompiled screen by my self and distributed it. |
| 18:40.04 | sparr | i cant imagine how anyone runs a normal desktop computer on anything other than unstable |
| 18:40.12 | unstable | !tell Glanzmann about lnw |
| 18:40.13 | sparr | a server or a kiosk on stable, maybe. but not a desktop |
| 18:40.17 | stew | Glanzmann: the screen bugs aren't tagged patch |
| 18:40.18 | thingfish | that's silly. |
| 18:40.39 | lewder | Hello, I have a problem with my system time, the clock is running twice as fast, how can i fix this wierd problem? Using Debian/Etch |
| 18:40.44 | Eulex | sparr, umh, what about testing? |
| 18:40.49 | harleyg | i said |
| 18:40.56 | harleyg | is this the way to amarillo! |
| 18:41.10 | stew | Glanzmann: you think that becuase the maintainer can't reproduce your bugs he should maybe be shot? i think you might be taking things a little too far |
| 18:41.34 | sparr | Eulex: what about it? ive never seen any real reason to have testing, other than organization of packages headed for stable. my servers run stable, and my desktop runs unstable. |
| 18:41.55 | geemark | hints for recovering a dead ext3 partition? |
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| 18:42.03 | unstable | Everything I have runs unstable, and I have never once had a problem. |
| 18:42.05 | shygrrl | hmm\ |
| 18:42.05 | sparr | geemark: first, assume its not dead :) |
| 18:42.10 | shygrrl | yes yes :) |
| 18:42.11 | wireddd | unstable, yeah firefox is from unstable, filled the ram up all the way and then 1 gig of swap space, while pegging the cpu to 100% |
| 18:42.12 | unstable | Just don't use X, and use the bts |
| 18:42.18 | shygrrl | what happend to it? |
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| 18:42.34 | unstable | wireddd: How many tabs did you have open? |
| 18:42.38 | wireddd | 1 |
| 18:42.39 | shygrrl | is there anyt apps out there for distributed motd's on boxes? |
| 18:42.43 | geemark | spantiga: hints for recovering a physically unstable partition? :) |
| 18:43.10 | sparr | unstable: you dont install a lot of packages, then. i install an average of 4 packages per day, and i encounter problems with unstable every week |
| 18:43.10 | geemark | sry spantiga , that was for sparr |
| 18:43.12 | wireddd | I had just closed the second tab just before this started |
| 18:43.13 | shining | unstable: sync, and try to install openoffice |
| 18:43.31 | sparr | geemark: leave the drive in the freezer for a few hours |
| 18:43.32 | shining | unstable: or try installing mplayer from marillat |
| 18:43.48 | Glanzmann | stew: He can reproduce it, he just doesn't try and thinks that if there is a dash at the beginning of a process it must be a login shell. So yes. Shoot him! |
| 18:43.51 | sparr | geemark: better yet, run the whole machine in there, if you have a suitable system, freezer, and dehydrator |
| 18:43.57 | Glanzmann | Twice, to get sure. |
| 18:44.08 | unstable | I have openoffice on my unstable laptop, and it runs like a squirrel in the forest with no problems. |
| 18:44.12 | geemark | sparr: it's only the partition - not the disk - I can't remove it, as the other partition is my server "/" partition |
| 18:44.19 | Jubal | anyone tried installing sarge using pre-seeded d-i and succeeded with software raid configuration? |
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| 18:44.24 | sparr | no idea, good luck with that |
| 18:44.28 | shining | unstable: you are running sid from when? |
| 18:44.36 | unstable | I also have mplayer from marillat, and this runs like a chinese badger in the mountains. |
| 18:44.48 | shining | unstable: you already synced? you are fast |
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| 18:44.50 | unstable | shining: I have the latest packages for sid from debian.org |
| 18:45.01 | stew | Glanzmann: submit a patch |
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| 18:45.31 | acera | yeah |
| 18:45.35 | Glanzmann | From my experience with debian it isn't wort the trouble. |
| 18:45.35 | acera | i'm using AMD64 |
| 18:45.41 | Glanzmann | I submited dozens of patches. |
| 18:45.43 | acera | For it, what is the best version? |
| 18:45.54 | acera | Testing, unnoficial 31r0?? |
| 18:46.03 | shining | unstable: I don't believe you |
| 18:46.06 | Glanzmann | I prefer to recompile stuff myself. |
| 18:46.06 | starfishy | glanzmann: if you think that, why are you here? just to stir up trouble? |
| 18:46.16 | starfishy | glanzmann: go to #gentoo |
| 18:46.23 | Glanzmann | starfishy: Nope. To tell you all how unhappy I am. |
| 18:46.35 | Glanzmann | starfishy: No, I am here because I like the support I get on this channel. |
| 18:46.35 | acera | gentoo is best than debian, for amd64? |
| 18:46.36 | sparr | Glanzmann: debian bugs are either resolved in hours or in years, with no discerning line between the two types other than observation. |
| 18:46.41 | kronoz | acera: i would say i686 etch cd's |
| 18:46.41 | Glanzmann | You solved my apt-key problem. |
| 18:46.46 | sparr | acera: everything is best than debian! |
| 18:46.48 | Glanzmann | sparr: Years. |
| 18:46.51 | starfishy | Glanzman: why are you running debian at all if you are unhappy? |
| 18:47.03 | acera | sparr |
| 18:47.04 | sparr | starfishy: because it makes me less unhappy than most other distros |
| 18:47.06 | shygrrl | Glanzman: what is it that is not up to expectations? |
| 18:47.06 | acera | what is the best? |
| 18:47.09 | Glanzmann | starfishy: I am not unhappy with debian. Just a few incompetent / lazy people. |
| 18:47.20 | Glanzmann | But as Schneier says: Incompetence is normal. |
| 18:47.27 | unstable | shining: I'll take screenshots if you want. |
| 18:47.31 | Glanzmann | I am social incompetent but working hard. |
| 18:47.50 | Glanzmann | Social incompetence and technical incompetence isn't that far away, btw. |
| 18:48.08 | sparr | shygrrl: my biggest beef with debian is the hassle of installing the nvidia drivers. yes, i completely understand the moral and technical reasons behind it. it still sucks. |
| 18:48.24 | Coweater | sounds like nvidia's fault |
| 18:48.32 | beardy | It is. |
| 18:48.48 | sparr | it is, partly. |
| 18:48.51 | Glanzmann | Always someone to blame. |
| 18:48.54 | Coweater | no it is |
| 18:49.08 | sparr | it is debian's fault that apt-get finds it acceptable to update the nvidia X driver without an updated kernel module |
| 18:49.19 | sparr | which of course breaks X and all opengl apps |
| 18:49.27 | Glanzmann | shygrrl: screen package. |
| 18:49.33 | Glanzmann | And maybe wdm. |
| 18:49.46 | Glanzmann | But I think the people who are maintaining these packages are not using them. |
| 18:49.52 | starfishy | Glanzmann: you always have the option to make it better |
| 18:49.54 | Glanzmann | Or not using them as much as I do. |
| 18:50.10 | starfishy | take over development of the packages you think are handled incompetently |
| 18:50.20 | Glanzmann | starfishy: Yes, but I experienced that I don't want to make it better. |
| 18:50.33 | unstable | shining: http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8286/200603011349491024x768scrot9it.png |
| 18:50.35 | Glanzmann | Not in a project like debian where I don't get payed and have all these politics. |
| 18:50.37 | unstable | There is my proof. |
| 18:50.39 | starfishy | glanzmann:if i get something for free I dont go and slam the people who put the effort in to provide the stuff for me for free |
| 18:50.41 | Glanzmann | Which brings my gun back in the play. |
| 18:51.00 | sparr | gentoo actually one-ups debian there, because both the X and kernel modules are compiled at the same time |
| 18:51.01 | Glanzmann | starfishy: I do, if they do crappy work. |
| 18:51.14 | sparr | with debian theres an extra step for the kernel module, and if you dont do it at the same time then things break |
| 18:51.26 | starfishy | Glanzmann: they have jobs too, so they devote whatever time they have left |
| 18:51.30 | Eulex | Glanzmann, you want to shoot people who gave you stuff for free, but not good enough stuff for your taste? where did your ethics go? |
| 18:51.32 | starfishy | if you want faster progress, pay the people |
| 18:51.36 | beardy | Glanzmann: With that attitude you just lost your right to complain, at all. Now shut up. |
| 18:51.37 | sparr | and debian installs the new packages before restarting X, which breaks opengl apps either way. |
| 18:51.50 | starfishy | or switch to a payware distro |
| 18:51.56 | sparr | there ARE solutions to these problems, but im too lazy and the package maintainers are either too lazy or unwilling to implement them |
| 18:52.03 | starfishy | i am sure Novell or Red Hat would be thrilled by your constructive attitude |
| 18:52.03 | Glanzmann | beardy: I do. |
| 18:52.29 | Glanzmann | hrhr. |
| 18:52.35 | starfishy | or try Mickeysoft |
| 18:52.42 | Glanzmann | starfishy: You aimed and hit! |
| 18:52.55 | starfishy | they have a reputation of fixing stuff fast for people who complain |
| 18:52.57 | Glanzmann | starfishy: At least I heard they pay good. |
| 18:53.02 | starfishy | who? |
| 18:53.22 | chealer | sparr: yeah, maintainers must be lazy for not building a perfect free OS |
| 18:53.25 | beardy | *plonk* |
| 18:53.40 | kronoz | i'm having problems compiling kernel 2.6.15 |
| 18:53.42 | kronoz | http://pastebin.com/578785 |
| 18:53.54 | Glanzmann | 19:53 Ignoring ALL from beardy |
| 18:54.22 | Glanzmann | kronoz: I compiled git HEAD from Linux tree today. |
| 18:54.28 | shining | unstable: that doesnt prove you're up to date |
| 18:54.29 | Cyorxamp | Hey... can someone name me a few 'Shells' e.g. Gnome and KDE would be one (I know in the linux world these are Desktop Environments but I'm just after a different shell not a whole host of apps too) |
| 18:54.53 | wols | Cyorxamp: apt-cache search window manager |
| 18:55.04 | azeem | Cyorxamp: cat /etc/shells |
| 18:55.08 | beardy | Cyorxamp: They are called window managers. Shells it is not, bash and csh are shells. |
| 18:55.12 | starfishy | Glanzmann: put me on ignore too, please. You make us Germans look very bad |
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| 18:55.14 | beardy | !window-manager |
| 18:55.21 | kronoz | cyroxamp: fluxbox, openbox |
| 18:55.22 | Eulex | Cyorxamp, a shell is a command line shell in linux terminology. |
| 18:55.24 | wols | Glanzmann: yes please |
| 18:55.53 | Glanzmann | starfishy: I don't have a gun. And I don't shoot people literally. |
| 18:56.07 | Glanzmann | And I am not that bad looking. |
| 18:56.07 | shining | Cyorxamp: xfce, windowmaker |
| 18:56.16 | starfishy | Glanzmann: but you whine about stuff people do for you for free |
| 18:56.23 | Glanzmann | But I don't smile: http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~sithglan// |
| 18:56.39 | Glanzmann | starfishy: No, I don't whine. I just tell you about when you ask. |
| 18:57.06 | starfishy | I didnt ask for you to whine |
| 18:57.07 | elirips | hello. if i would like to execute a script every hour, is it enough if i put it into /etc/cron.hourly? using debian sarge. |
| 18:57.19 | Glanzmann | starfishy: I don't whine. I complain. |
| 18:57.23 | starfishy | if you want the right to complain, pay for what you are taking |
| 18:57.31 | beardy | elirips: What script? |
| 18:57.37 | Cyorxamp | would people say xfce is the 3rd popular window manager? |
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| 18:57.46 | Eulex | !xfcewm |
| 18:57.46 | dpkg | i heard xfcewm is XFCE is *not* a window manager! |
| 18:57.46 | lepton | elirips: maybe. to run as a user, cron is the usual solution |
| 18:57.52 | elirips | beardy: some script I wrote, to do a cvs-checkout, and compile every hour. |
| 18:58.13 | Eulex | Cyorxamp, xfce is *not* a window manager. however, it includes a window manager, xfwm4 |
| 18:58.18 | elirips | lepton: and what is in /etc/cron.hourly is executed every hour? as which user? |
| 18:58.24 | Cyorxamp | alright desktop whatever then |
| 18:58.29 | beardy | Cyorxamp: apt-cache search "window manager" | less, pick a bunch, try and see which one you like |
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| 18:58.57 | shining | Cyorxamp: well there aren't many desktops, so yes :) |
| 18:58.57 | beardy | elirips: Does it have to be run by root? |
| 18:59.10 | elirips | beardy: not at all, it should not be run as root. |
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| 18:59.15 | beardy | elirips: Run it in your users crontab. |
| 18:59.44 | elirips | beardy: okay, going to read about that 'crontab'. thanks for your help. |
| 18:59.50 | Glanzmann | kronoz: The last change on that file was in Date: Fri Nov 11 14:27:09 2005 +0100 |
| 18:59.59 | Glanzmann | kronoz: Maybe don't compile it at all. |
| 19:00.03 | beardy | elirips: 'man 5 crontab', 'man 1 crontab' |
| 19:00.06 | Cyorxamp | and xfce doesnt come with a whole host of programs like gnome and kde does - does it? (just what in windows someone would call... "The Shell") |
| 19:00.08 | Cyorxamp | ? |
| 19:00.11 | misha-strong | Hi apparently I just upgraded to Sarge from Woody by typing "apt-get dist-upgrade" however this only downloaded 25MB of updates on my install which I have been using for about 6 months, what else must I do to update everything?\ |
| 19:00.28 | misha-strong | ( Example: It says KDE 3.3 is newest version ) |
| 19:00.30 | Glanzmann | (travelmate) [/usr/src/linux-2.6] grep CONFIG_IOSCHED_AS .config |
| 19:00.31 | Glanzmann | CONFIG_IOSCHED_AS=y |
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| 19:00.36 | Eulex | Cyorxamp, no, it doesn't. but it's stil not a shell :) |
| 19:00.37 | Glanzmann | But for me it works, strange. |
| 19:00.43 | stew | misha-strong: paste your sources.list to a pastebin |
| 19:00.45 | Ronin | misha-strong: apparently? you sure you were running woody to begin with? |
| 19:00.46 | beardy | elirips: You're welcome. |
| 19:00.48 | Cyorxamp | Eulex - I did not say it was |
| 19:00.54 | shining | Cyorxamp: it's much lighter than kde/gnome |
| 19:01.01 | Cyorxamp | yeah that sounds nice |
| 19:01.10 | Eulex | !woody->sarge |
| 19:01.11 | misha-strong | Ronin, not sure, but I remember "Woody" |
| 19:01.14 | stew | misha-strong: actually forget sources.list, just post the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 19:01.15 | Eulex | !+woody->sarge |
| 19:01.15 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 19:01.18 | Cyorxamp | I mean GTK is good but sluggish |
| 19:01.48 | Eulex | misha-strong, ^^ |
| 19:02.10 | misha-strong | stew: colinux:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list is: deb ftp://ftp.sun.ac.za/debian/ stable main |
| 19:02.11 | beardy | elirips: To make it easy for yourself, you can use @hourly (described in crontab(5) ) |
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| 19:02.50 | wols | Cyorxamp: not eveon on windows is what you call shell that. on windows a shell is explorer.exe nothing else |
| 19:03.11 | Cyorxamp | Yeah - A FREAKING SHELL |
| 19:03.24 | stew | misha-strong: if thats your entire sources.list and you have run dist-upgrade without problems, you are running sarge. if the last time you ran dist-upgrade it only upgraded 25mb, then you were likely already running sarge |
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| 19:04.00 | Eulex | Cyorxamp, in that case, what mostly resembles a shell in linux is a file manager, that includes support for desktop icons |
| 19:04.01 | stew | misha-strong: iirc, you had done a partial upgrade a week or two ago which is what got you into problems with e2fsprogs |
| 19:04.31 | misha-strong | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1948 |
| 19:04.37 | \amethyst | Cyorxamp: In Gnome, nautilus would correspond to the Windows shell (explorer.exe): it handles the file manager as well as the desktop |
| 19:05.04 | \amethyst | Cyorxamp: however, the gnome panels (like the taskbar in Windows) are a separate program |
| 19:05.07 | misha-strong | stew: Last week I was upgrading from stable - > testing, and I'll never do that again ;) |
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| 19:05.49 | \amethyst | Cyorxamp: In KDE it would be kfm for file management and the desktop, and kicker for the taskbar |
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| 19:06.25 | stew | misha-strong: no, last week you were upgrading from woody->testing |
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| 19:06.38 | misha-strong | stew: yes |
| 19:06.41 | v1c3 | !testing |
| 19:06.41 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 19:06.46 | \amethyst | Cyorxamp: but in Linux, `shell' means `command interpreter', like cmd.exe in Windows |
| 19:06.55 | v1c3 | !testing security |
| 19:06.55 | dpkg | testing security is probably Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
| 19:07.05 | stew | v1c3: please /msg the bot |
| 19:07.11 | v1c3 | ouc |
| 19:07.16 | v1c3 | ste: sorry |
| 19:07.39 | zarchne | Hm, channel FAQ gives "no space on device error"? |
| 19:07.43 | sparr | chealer: or perhaps you have trouble comprehending english? |
| 19:08.06 | abrotman | zarchne: the what? |
| 19:08.09 | abrotman | !faq |
| 19:08.10 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:08.10 | stew | tarzeau: the wikifaq seems broken again |
| 19:08.16 | stew | its busted |
| 19:08.20 | beardy | !tell Cyorxamp -about fundamentals |
| 19:08.35 | Cyorxamp | GO THE FUCK AWAY |
| 19:08.36 | abrotman | TARZEAU; MUST FIX 1 |
| 19:08.48 | azeem | Cyorxamp: please do not shout, i.e. write in all caps |
| 19:08.51 | misha-strong | Eulex: /etc/apt/sources.list has no mention of either sarge or woody |
| 19:09.04 | abrotman | misha-strong: paste them somewhere |
| 19:09.06 | abrotman | !paste |
| 19:09.07 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 19:09.07 | azeem | Cyorxamp: if you want to use Debian GNU/Linux, you should consider adoptings its terminolgy |
| 19:09.27 | Eulex | misha-strong, it says stable then? what does it say? the format is deb url release repo1 repo2 etc. release is the important one. |
| 19:09.35 | stew | misha-strong: i think you are running stable. is there anything that makes you think you are not? |
| 19:09.39 | Estes2 | humm, anyone know where i can find a reference about chmod that include full explanation of the first bits in the octal notation like... 2770 for example |
| 19:09.54 | abrotman | misha-strong: do you see stable, testing, or unstable in the file ?> |
| 19:09.56 | Eulex | !permissions |
| 19:09.57 | dpkg | it has been said that permissions is multiple acts of permitting, or http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions |
| 19:09.58 | beardy | Estes2: Read the fine manual. |
| 19:10.02 | Eulex | Estes2, ^^ |
| 19:10.20 | beardy | Estes2: Also read the fine info documentation, as in 'info chmod' |
| 19:10.26 | misha-strong | Eulex and stew and abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1950 |
| 19:10.31 | Estes2 | already done |
| 19:10.40 | Estes2 | info coreutils chmod you mean ? |
| 19:10.50 | wols | clearly says stable misha-strong |
| 19:10.51 | Estes2 | because i didn't se about it there |
| 19:10.52 | abrotman | misha-strong: you sohuld hve the security updates in your sources |
| 19:10.54 | stew | misha-strong: from all the info you have given us. there are no problems. and you are running stable. |
| 19:10.59 | zarchne | Anyway, when I plug in my atapi cdrw (hdc) vgscan can no longer find my physical volume (hda2) even though it's there. Any ideas? |
| 19:11.00 | Estes2 | maybe i went too fast though |
| 19:11.11 | beardy | Estes2: Precisely. |
| 19:11.15 | misha-strong | stew: the problem is that KDE 3.3 is the newest package, I want KDE 3.5 |
| 19:11.16 | \amethyst | Estes2: look for 'sticky' and 'setuid' |
| 19:11.16 | Estes2 | allright |
| 19:11.20 | Estes2 | back to this then |
| 19:11.22 | Estes2 | thx |
| 19:11.25 | stew | misha-strong: kde3.3 is the version in stable |
| 19:11.31 | Estes2 | \amethyst, will do, thx |
| 19:11.42 | wols | misha-strong: cause there is no kde3.3 in stable. and there never will be in sarge |
| 19:11.49 | stew | misha-strong: new versions of kde will not be put into sarge. if you really want kde3.6 in sarge, /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:11.58 | \amethyst | Estes2: note that they do different things on directories and regular files, that will be explained |
| 19:12.08 | chealer | sparr: or perhaps both, and you have trouble understanding that this channel's purpose isn't to troll your deceptions out |
| 19:12.11 | stew | ^3.6^3.5 |
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| 19:13.09 | wireddd | misha-strong, if you want 3.5 then you need to go from stable to testing... |
| 19:13.26 | Estes2 | oki |
| 19:13.27 | misha-strong | wireddd: nooooooo |
| 19:13.39 | abrotman | !backports |
| 19:13.39 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 19:13.46 | misha-strong | FC4 - yum installed it o_O |
| 19:13.49 | \amethyst | I should probably mess around with ACLs a bit |
| 19:13.52 | sparr | chealer: how hard would it be to make the nvidia driver only install its various packages when they can all work together? |
| 19:13.55 | \amethyst | sounds like fun |
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| 19:14.00 | abrotman | misha-strong: yeah .. but fc4 isn't debian/stable |
| 19:14.03 | abrotman | or stable :) |
| 19:14.29 | misha-strong | abrotman: what version of gnome or kde do you use> |
| 19:14.29 | stew | or on-topic at all |
| 19:14.56 | chealer | sparr: it would be as hard as addressing #299727 |
| 19:15.02 | abrotman | misha-strong: i use the gnome that is in testing |
| 19:15.27 | misha-strong | abrotman: please paster sources.list |
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| 19:15.41 | stew | misha-strong: i thought you didn't want testing |
| 19:15.42 | abrotman | misha-strong: i'm using etch .. not much to paste |
| 19:15.59 | blondie | cuckoo |
| 19:16.01 | misha-strong | stew: I'm learning here |
| 19:16.22 | misha-strong | and know I vow never to use testing |
| 19:16.56 | wireddd | misha-strong, do you understand what the difference between stable(sarge), testing(etch), and unstable(sid) are? |
| 19:17.23 | misha-strong | wireddd: since you're asking me, probably not |
| 19:18.06 | abrotman | old stuff vs broken stuff :) |
| 19:18.09 | misha-strong | apparently etch is bad, so I want to stick with sarge for now |
| 19:18.12 | abrotman | rather .. older/stable stuff |
| 19:18.24 | abrotman | misha-strong: it's not bad .. i use it daily .. but stuff can break |
| 19:18.46 | misha-strong | btw: linux is supposed to be invincible :p |
| 19:20.29 | wireddd | i use testing(etch) daily as well but things do occasionally break |
| 19:20.49 | \amethyst | I like it when things break, I use sid |
| 19:20.49 | wireddd | but if things never broke I wouldn't learn anything |
| 19:20.57 | misha-strong | heh |
| 19:21.11 | sparr | abrotman: what do you suggest, card-wise? i actually dont buy cutting edge cards, my current nvidia card is about 3 years out of date, so i imagine there are alternatives to nvidia and ati that i havent encountered that would work for me |
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| 19:21.54 | \amethyst | sparr: Radeon 9200 |
| 19:22.02 | Gomo1 | Hi |
| 19:22.05 | Gomo1 | Where do i get help with djbdns? |
| 19:22.07 | misha-strong | hi |
| 19:22.23 | \amethyst | sparr: it's one of the best cards supported by the free radeon driver |
| 19:22.35 | \amethyst | s/supported/3d-accelerated/ |
| 19:22.48 | stew | s/one of// afaik |
| 19:23.18 | sparr | hmm |
| 19:23.28 | sparr | 9200 wouldnt be too far off what i have now |
| 19:23.38 | sparr | geforce fx 5200, 5600, geforce 4 4800 |
| 19:23.42 | sparr | i switch when they overheat |
| 19:24.01 | \amethyst | I need to get myself another card |
| 19:24.09 | misha-strong | i think all linux binaries should have a .nix extension, like windows has .exe :P |
| 19:24.24 | \amethyst | my current one has only one output, and I need to do mergedfb to get acceleration + xinerama |
| 19:24.26 | beardy | do you know.. |
| 19:24.29 | beardy | now |
| 19:24.31 | \amethyst | misha-strong: blah |
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| 19:25.59 | wireddd | \amethyst, i'm in the same boat as you |
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| 19:26.33 | \amethyst | wireddd: Fortunately, they're cheap |
| 19:26.34 | Buddha| | How would I list all the Qt packages I have installed? |
| 19:27.41 | abrotman | sparr: older matrox .. Radeon <= 9250 or integrated intel |
| 19:27.43 | wireddd | \amethyst, i've got a 3dfx voodoo4 and a gf4 mx440 |
| 19:27.55 | \amethyst | Buddha|: aptitude show '~Dlibqt[34]~i' |
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| 19:28.00 | Sepho | hi all! |
| 19:28.05 | \amethyst | Buddha|: aptitude search '~Dlibqt[34]~i' rather |
| 19:28.56 | \amethyst | wireddd: I was running dual-head without xinerama for a while |
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| 19:29.17 | \amethyst | wireddd: but I got tired of that after about a year, so I switched to xinerama and haven't had 3d since :) |
| 19:29.27 | madclicker | which chipset is best with AMD CPU based boards? |
| 19:29.36 | harleyg | asus |
| 19:29.40 | harleyg | nforce 4 |
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| 19:30.23 | madclicker | harleyg, wasnt there some issues with pci express and the nforce chipsets? |
| 19:30.35 | wireddd | was is dual head like without xinerama, I don't think I have ever tried it |
| 19:31.15 | harleyg | i have an amd64 x2 4200+ with an asus a8n-ultra |
| 19:31.26 | harleyg | look for the a8n-sli, best mobo out! |
| 19:31.39 | madclicker | harleyg, roger |
| 19:31.40 | madclicker | thanks |
| 19:31.42 | wols | ...if you want to spend 1000$ for your videocards |
| 19:32.01 | wols | madclicker: nf4 is right, but not necessarily asus or SLI |
| 19:32.06 | wireddd | there are cheap pci-e videocards |
| 19:32.09 | \amethyst | wireddd: you have two screens, one is DISPLAY=:0.0, the other :0.1. You can move the mouse between them, but not programs |
| 19:32.14 | wols | of course, but then SLI is wasted |
| 19:32.20 | wireddd | \amethyst, eww |
| 19:32.26 | harleyg | youd want 2 7800gtx 512mb |
| 19:32.27 | \amethyst | wireddd: I kept xmms, gkrellm, gaim, etc on monitor 2 and most of my stuff on 1 |
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| 19:32.54 | madclicker | wols, i am moving from intell to AMD so am a bit lost which chipset is de-facto with AMD |
| 19:33.08 | \amethyst | wireddd: it was tolerable, but sawfish has some bugs with that kind of setup |
| 19:33.12 | wols | nforce ever since the nforce2 |
| 19:33.25 | wireddd | madclicker, the nforce chipset |
| 19:33.27 | madclicker | thanks |
| 19:33.32 | madclicker | got it |
| 19:34.07 | wols | madclicker: do you really need a new PC now? in june new models with DDR2 and new sockets will come out |
| 19:34.09 | wireddd | i'm using an nforce2 chipset right now as a matter of fact |
| 19:34.11 | wols | just fyi |
| 19:34.21 | madclicker | used to be VIA, but i guess they are not as good |
| 19:34.24 | madclicker | anymore |
| 19:34.30 | wols | the never were :) |
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| 19:34.44 | wireddd | don't ever buy anything that has a via chip in it |
| 19:35.16 | wireddd | unless it is a gift for someone you don't like |
| 19:35.18 | madclicker | wols, ohh, so no DDR2 support jet |
| 19:35.22 | misha-strong | I found this: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/k/kdebase/ what do I do to install kde 3.5 on my sarge system? |
| 19:35.33 | stew | misha-strong: backports.org/instructions.html |
| 19:36.07 | madclicker | wireddd, -_- |
| 19:36.14 | wols | madclicker: amd cpus have an integrated memory controller. that controller needs to be dddr2 capable which will happen in june, not before, sorry |
| 19:36.33 | madclicker | got it |
| 19:36.47 | wols | wireddd: my router here is a via mvp3 chipset. |
| 19:36.49 | misha-strong | double double data rate two~ |
| 19:37.05 | wireddd | wols, i'm so sorry |
| 19:37.12 | wols | it always was a horrible thing under wndows with the original owner. since he gave it to me and I run debian on it, it's happy as a clam :) |
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| 19:37.16 | madclicker | wols, i recall somewhere reading about AMD and RAMBus |
| 19:37.32 | wols | madclicker: wrong. intel had rambus stuff. amd never |
| 19:37.38 | wols | P4 was designed for rambus memory |
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| 19:38.31 | Eulex | madclicker, but rambus became too expensive |
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| 19:38.45 | wols | Eulex: became? it never was cheap :) |
| 19:38.58 | Eulex | wols, yeah :) |
| 19:39.07 | misha-strong | i dont have a file: /etc/apt/preferences is it okay if I create it? |
| 19:39.14 | wols | and with their antics, the DRAMurai made sure it never got mainstream |
| 19:39.39 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.32 | misha-strong | wols: 70debconf? |
| 19:40.51 | wols | it's laid out similarly o sysvinit |
| 19:40.59 | wols | you create files in there starting with numbers |
| 19:41.05 | chealer | tarzeau: are you aware that your wiki looks broken? |
| 19:41.15 | misha-strong | *er shivers |
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| 19:41.51 | misha-strong | stew: that link you gave me |
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| 19:42.08 | misha-strong | told me to put something in /etc/apt/preferences, but it dont exist |
| 19:42.15 | misha-strong | so I just created it |
| 19:42.21 | stew | misha-strong: that's correct |
| 19:42.25 | misha-strong | kcool |
| 19:43.02 | wols | stew: wouldn't work the conf.d/ as well? |
| 19:43.51 | kronoz | how can i install kernel sources of the kernel currently running with apt? |
| 19:43.58 | kronoz | or anything else :p |
| 19:44.09 | stew | wols: no |
| 19:44.31 | wols | stew: so what is the dir for? |
| 19:44.56 | stew | wols: man apt.conf ; man apt_preferences |
| 19:45.25 | tzafrir_laptop | kronoz, do you really need the kernel sources? nut just the headers? |
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| 19:46.00 | kronoz | tzafrir_laptop: i need the headers |
| 19:46.13 | tzafrir_laptop | are you on sarge? |
| 19:46.39 | abrotman | he may throw you off! |
| 19:46.52 | kronoz | tzafrir_laptop: unstable/testing |
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| 19:47.00 | kronoz | tzafrir_laptop: so that would be etch i think |
| 19:47.01 | harleyg | and a 1 |
| 19:47.03 | harleyg | and a 2 |
| 19:47.07 | harleyg | and a 1 2 3 4! |
| 19:47.11 | tzafrir_laptop | well, just get linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 19:47.12 | harleyg | is this the way to amarillo?! |
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| 19:48.06 | tzafrir_laptop | anyway, any idea why I would get a DNS reply of "1.0.0.0" from some cheapo router in its role as DNS proxy server? |
| 19:48.17 | misha-strong | stew: /etc/apt/preferences did not stop apt-get automatically using backports |
| 19:48.29 | tzafrir_laptop | surprisingly, "host" does not exemplify this behaviour |
| 19:48.30 | Virtual | How do I share connection between eth0 and eth1 ? |
| 19:48.37 | xav | hello |
| 19:48.45 | tzafrir_laptop | but most programs (e.g: browsers, apt-get) do |
| 19:48.48 | stew | misha-strong: did you run apt-get update? |
| 19:48.56 | misha-strong | stew: yes |
| 19:48.57 | abrotman | Virtual: bridging or channel bonding .. not sure exactly what kind of sharing you mean |
| 19:49.03 | tzafrir_laptop | Virtual, what for , exactly? |
| 19:49.10 | xav | the FAQ doesn't work: IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device |
| 19:49.15 | misha-strong | its like it just ignores teh file |
| 19:49.16 | stew | misha-strong: show me the results of "apt-cache policy packagename" for a package it wanted to update that you thought it shouldn't. |
| 19:49.39 | abrotman | xav: we told tarzeau |
| 19:49.43 | tzafrir_laptop | Virtual, are they to a WAN or on your LAN? |
| 19:49.44 | misha-strong | stew: i typed in only "apt-get upgrade" |
| 19:49.57 | stew | misha-strong: that's why |
| 19:50.10 | Virtual | tzafrir_laptop && abrotman, I believe bridging, the internet connection comes in through eth0 and i want to give whoever's connected to eth1 connection as well, did it a while back a few times but because i haven`t used it i forgot :( |
| 19:50.25 | wols | Virtual: ipmasq |
| 19:50.25 | misha-strong | stew: oh of course! er.. what? |
| 19:50.34 | wols | it's masquerading, not bridging |
| 19:50.37 | abrotman | Virtual: oh .. you mean as a router? |
| 19:50.47 | xav | does anyone know where I can find an openh323 binary deb 1.17.x for i386 ? |
| 19:50.52 | tzafrir_laptop | Virtual, bridging will work if the ISP is willing to give all the computers behind you IP addresses |
| 19:50.53 | Virtual | abrotman yup |
| 19:51.02 | abrotman | !tell Virtual about iptables |
| 19:51.06 | abrotman | !tell Virtual about ipmasq |
| 19:51.08 | Virtual | tzafrir_laptop then masquerading |
| 19:52.09 | abrotman | xav: what's wrong with the version you have ? |
| 19:52.22 | tzafrir_laptop | xav, http://pkg-voip.build-server.net/ , maybe |
| 19:52.40 | abrotman | !find openh323 |
| 19:52.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'openh323' (3 of 5): (/usr/lib/libopenh323.so.1.15.6) in libs/libopenh323-1.15.6 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libopenh323.so.1.15.6) in libdevel/libopenh323-dbg ;; (/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/NetMeeting-HOWTO/openh323.html) in doc/doc-linux-html. |
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| 19:53.12 | abrotman | !find openh323 experimental |
| 19:53.14 | N0S3 | hello, somebody uses the package ez-ipdate ? |
| 19:54.12 | Eulex | I know that there should be a way of seeing which packages use most hdd space, but I can't remember how |
| 19:54.14 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.27 | tzafrir_laptop | sorry, wrong address. Try: http://pkg-voip.buildserver.net/ |
| 19:55.02 | stew | < stew> misha-strong: did you run apt-get update? < misha-strong> stew: yes < misha-strong> stew: i typed in only "apt-get upgrade" |
| 19:55.03 | abrotman | yes it'st here |
| 19:55.07 | abrotman | it's there |
| 19:55.09 | stew | misha-strong: update != upgrade |
| 19:55.19 | stew | misha-strong: reread the instructions |
| 19:55.22 | misha-strong | stew: i type update then upgrade |
| 19:55.29 | Kurtism | what's a misha-strong? |
| 19:55.35 | misha-strong | its my name lol |
| 19:55.36 | Kurtism | weird nick man |
| 19:55.41 | misha-strong | Misha Strong |
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| 19:55.47 | yawg | how do i change my system time? |
| 19:55.50 | Kurtism | oh |
| 19:55.54 | yawg | it thinks it's 2004 on this machine |
| 19:55.58 | stew | misha-strong: and it still wants to upgrade stuff you think it shouldn't? |
| 19:55.58 | abrotman | !tell yawg about ntp |
| 19:56.02 | yawg | thank yo |
| 19:56.03 | yawg | u |
| 19:56.04 | abrotman | !tell yawg about ntpdate |
| 19:56.08 | misha-strong | yes stew |
| 19:56.22 | stew | 14:49 < stew> misha-strong: show me the results of "apt-cache policy packagename" for a package it wanted to update that you thought it shouldn't |
| 19:56.37 | misha-strong | also, this is wierd: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1952. |
| 19:56.53 | mortal | wierd is weird |
| 19:57.09 | misha-strong | it is? * checks dictionary * |
| 19:57.22 | stew | !spell wierd |
| 19:57.23 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 19:57.33 | Eulex | misha-strong, apt-cache policy kde. |
| 19:57.39 | misha-strong | yes yes weird indeed |
| 19:57.45 | Kurtism | I before E except after C unless the word is WEIRD |
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| 19:57.54 | \amethyst | Kurtism: My name is Neil :) |
| 19:57.56 | jonathan` | are there any really good backup tools for mysql in debian? |
| 19:58.08 | \amethyst | Kurtism: and everybody misspells it 'Niel'. Thanks a lot, fucker :) |
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| 19:58.30 | misha-strong | for stew + eulex: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1953 |
| 19:58.52 | Kurtism | oh |
| 19:58.58 | stew | misha-strong: backports.org doens't provide the kde metapackage, just some of the individual kde packages |
| 19:58.59 | misha-strong | now thats a weird rule |
| 19:59.10 | \amethyst | Kurtism: kidding, btw |
| 19:59.11 | misha-strong | * hmm * |
| 19:59.15 | jonathan` | i've been trying automysqlbackup.sh script, but it doesn't seem to be working -- it'll create a daily file but the file will be empty.. which kind of defeats the whole purpose of the backup |
| 19:59.29 | blondie | jonathan`: mysqldump |
| 19:59.35 | Kurtism | is misha a guy's name or a girl's name? |
| 19:59.49 | Kurtism | I can't tell |
| 19:59.50 | jonathan` | blondie, i know how to use mysqldump, is there an easy way to automate it? |
| 20:00.06 | jonathan` | blondie, just someway I can easily set it to run at like 5 AM every day or something |
| 20:00.24 | stew | misha-strong: "apt-get install -t sarge-backports kdebase" should upgrade a bunch of kde stuff |
| 20:00.37 | blondie | jonathan`: yes |
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| 20:00.50 | blondie | jonathan`: crontab -e |
| 20:00.50 | yawg | stew: that computer you helped me with a while back is up and running. i'm chatting with you on it! |
| 20:00.52 | blondie | 0 2 * * * /home/mysqlbackup/backup |
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| 20:00.56 | misha-strong | stew: I still wonder why this happens: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1954 |
| 20:01.07 | blondie | where backup = mysqldump in a shell script |
| 20:01.20 | stew | misha-strong: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 20:01.26 | stew | yawg: cool |
| 20:01.39 | misha-strong | stew: I mean the "backports" at the bottom |
| 20:01.42 | Kurtism | I only use Debian for Servers in consol mode, I never ever bother with a gui |
| 20:01.47 | N0S3 | stew: hello |
| 20:01.55 | tzafrir_laptop | Kurtism, why, are you interested? Misha is usually a guy. Anyway anybody here encontered 1.0.0.0 before? |
| 20:02.06 | jonathan` | blondie, can I just write the mysqldump command straight into crontab? |
| 20:02.18 | blondie | jonathan`: I suppose |
| 20:02.23 | misha-strong | Yes, I am "usually" a guy... |
| 20:02.23 | avx | I'm writing a shell script for bash that needs to do something like "for file in `ls -Q` ...", but it tokenizes filenames that have whitespace in their names. any ideas on how to do this properly? |
| 20:02.32 | stew | misha-strong: "apt-cache policy kdelibs-data" |
| 20:02.37 | Kurtism | you never know |
| 20:02.43 | blondie | avx: you can't use "for file in" |
| 20:02.52 | beardy | !absg avx |
| 20:02.52 | dpkg | avx: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'apt-get install abs-guide'. |
| 20:02.53 | blondie | you'll have to use something else to do stuff on each file |
| 20:02.57 | misha-strong | but sometimes i'm not.. |
| 20:03.06 | stew | avx: ls -Q | while read file ; do |
| 20:03.15 | zerve_the_death | when i try to startup my X i got the warning FreeFontPath shut down. Can anybody help? I use xorg.conf, kernel 2.6.12 and sarge sid |
| 20:03.17 | avx | thanks guys :) |
| 20:03.35 | \amethyst | avx: ls -Q | (while read file; ...) |
| 20:04.17 | misha-strong | have some stewpaste: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1955 |
| 20:04.23 | stew | avx: and actually i dunno that the -Q is needed or wanted |
| 20:05.32 | \amethyst | doh |
| 20:05.34 | avx | stew: need it for what I'm doing, this works great now :) thanks |
| 20:06.05 | jeb- | is there some way of installing debian with the smart boot manager? |
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| 20:06.22 | misha-strong | ya know, theres an inventive spider building a web over my light |
| 20:07.14 | yawg | let the spider live! |
| 20:07.33 | misha-strong | i thinks so too, i hate insects :p |
| 20:07.35 | yawg | he will eat the bugs that try to steal your blood |
| 20:07.53 | yawg | and spiders are oh so cute <3 |
| 20:07.54 | amee2k | can i use 686 binaries on PIII-1GHz? |
| 20:08.02 | yawg | i especially love the little jumping spiders |
| 20:08.04 | amee2k | er... 586 |
| 20:08.12 | tarzeau | stew: i run out of diskspace, again |
| 20:08.12 | Eulex | amee2k, of course. |
| 20:08.14 | misha-strong | yawg: er eheh |
| 20:08.22 | amee2k | good :) |
| 20:08.29 | tarzeau | chealer: it's not, it's just running out of disk space.... |
| 20:08.35 | stew | misha-strong: you should maybe try dropping the priority down to 50 instead of 200 |
| 20:08.41 | tarzeau | xav: it's fixed now |
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| 20:08.52 | stew | tarzeau: thanks |
| 20:08.59 | Eulex | amee2k, 586 is pentium 1. all x86 intel processors are backwards-compatible |
| 20:09.01 | misha-strong | stew: bare in mind it is the only entry in the file, so it is not competing |
| 20:09.14 | stew | misha-strong: its competing with the default priorities |
| 20:09.23 | stew | misha-strong: as can be seen in apt-cache policy |
| 20:10.06 | misha-strong | stew: apt-get upgrade seems to work now |
| 20:10.37 | misha-strong | stew: how would you recommend I get KDE 3.5? |
| 20:11.07 | mrverbose | anyone familiar with lprng who can tell me how to simply use a printer over network (without filters on the lprng-server)? |
| 20:11.16 | jonathan` | are mounts supposed to go poof when you reboot a machine? or is there some file i should edit instead of just using the mount command? |
| 20:11.34 | stew | apt-get install -t sarge-backports kdebase kdelibs |
| 20:11.57 | Eulex | jonathaN, yes, /etc/fstab |
| 20:12.30 | Eulex | err |
| 20:12.48 | Eulex | jonathan`, that was for you |
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| 20:12.53 | Eulex | jonathaN, sorry |
| 20:12.55 | jonathan` | I'm trying to mount drives from other machines on the network (one other debian machine, one windows 2k machine) |
| 20:13.08 | jonathan` | oh, ok |
| 20:13.21 | jonathan` | i figured as much, lol |
| 20:13.21 | misha-strong | stew: please have a serious look at this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1956. |
| 20:13.37 | misha-strong | stew: why would I want to remove kdm? |
| 20:13.48 | jonathan` | do i need any certain options for a network drives, or can i just use 'defaults'? |
| 20:14.10 | wols | jonathan`: username/password usually |
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| 20:15.04 | jonathan` | /mnt/driveA //server1/ShareName ext3 username=user,password=password 0 0 like that? |
| 20:15.21 | tzafrir_laptop | jonathan`, also, for smbfs mounts: a charset may be handy (utf8) |
| 20:15.26 | blondie | jonathan`: no |
| 20:15.36 | misha-strong | maybe even smbfs instead of exr3 |
| 20:15.43 | misha-strong | *ext3 |
| 20:15.54 | jonathan` | ok so i can smbfs for the windows one |
| 20:15.57 | jonathan` | so i use* |
| 20:15.59 | blondie | if you're sharing between unix boxes on a home network, use nfs |
| 20:16.15 | stew | misha-strong: becuase your kdm depends on the kdelibs that you are replacing, so run "apt-get install -t sarge-backports kdebase kdelibs kdm" if you don't want it removed |
| 20:16.26 | jonathan` | i'm mounting a linux box to the debian machine and a windows box to it |
| 20:16.28 | blondie | smb shares are designed to be accessed by one user |
| 20:16.40 | misha-strong | stew: but otherwise it probably wont break anything? |
| 20:17.04 | stew | misha-strong: it will not break anything, you just wouldn't have kdm anymore |
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| 20:17.37 | misha-strong | *presses |
| 20:17.47 | misha-strong | my, my typing is bad |
| 20:18.03 | jonathan` | are my other arguments/options correct, just not the type? |
| 20:18.25 | misha-strong | jonathan: mine looks exactly like that |
| 20:18.35 | misha-strong | and works btw |
| 20:18.39 | jonathan` | sorry for all the questions, but this is a server at work and i really dont have a lot of time to blow reading lots of docs :| |
| 20:18.44 | jonathan` | misha-strong, ok cool |
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| 20:20.21 | stew | shouldn't one use cifs instead of smbfs these days? |
| 20:21.00 | misha-strong | server message blocks for teh win /o/ |
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| 20:21.24 | jonathan` | smbfs seems to accomplish what little i need it to do |
| 20:21.43 | jonathan` | and i never saw anything about cifs |
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| 20:21.54 | stew | !cifs |
| 20:21.54 | dpkg | cifs is, like, Common Internet File System or see SMB, or it is basically SMB without NBT |
| 20:22.01 | misha-strong | open question: doesnt linux just give that fuzzy feeling ? |
| 20:22.03 | stew | !nbt |
| 20:22.03 | dpkg | somebody said nbt was an implementation of the NetBIOS API on top of TCP/IP |
| 20:22.27 | misha-strong | * give you |
| 20:22.33 | misha-strong | o.O |
| 20:24.05 | misha-strong | Linux, adapts to fit around you, like a good shoe. While windows remains pretty, but hard and static offering no comfort whatsoever |
| 20:25.27 | misha-strong | (but what do you think?) |
| 20:25.44 | yawg | no. |
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| 20:26.56 | misha-strong | no? No i shouldnt be a shoe salesman? or No I shouldnt be an operating system salesman? |
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| 20:27.52 | Estes2 | I don't remember have seen anywhere that when you install a daemon it should run right away. On freebsd, they don't let the daemon run after install, the user has to run it. Any reason why debian starts daemons by default ? like if i install apache, it will run right away, i didn't even configure it yet |
| 20:28.34 | tzafrir_laptop | Estes2, there are arguments both ways |
| 20:28.42 | bbrazil | Estes2: on debian its assumed that if you install a package, you want to use it |
| 20:28.48 | tzafrir_laptop | And there are daemons configured oth ways |
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| 20:28.58 | nkuttler | Estes2: it depends on the daemon. if it starts automatically it usually has sane settings. |
| 20:28.59 | bbrazil | Estes2: there are a few exceptions (ssh for example) |
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| 20:29.33 | Estes2 | humm... yes |
| 20:29.59 | poison | Hi all, I'm compiling a kernel (2.4 with initrd) and I always get pivot_root: No such file or directory; /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file; Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 20:30.08 | poison | I have no idea what this could be |
| 20:30.34 | Eulex | !wayc poison |
| 20:30.34 | dpkg | poison: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 20:30.52 | poison | I need some patches that are not common :) |
| 20:31.04 | misha-strong | Eulex: how do you remember all those arbritary commands, like wayc? |
| 20:31.13 | jfs | uhh, i've just killed one of my windows within gnu screen, i've created them using the .screenrc, now is there a way to recreate this window from within a running screen session? |
| 20:31.17 | \amethyst | poison: are you using make-kpkg at least? |
| 20:31.30 | sandman | How often does cron-apt update by default? |
| 20:31.35 | tzafrir_laptop | poison, apt-get source, then |
| 20:31.36 | poison | I don't want to talk about the fact why I'm compiling a kernel: I need TUX kernel http server for some strange reason and therefore I need to build a 2.4 myself |
| 20:31.45 | nkuttler | sandman: iirc never |
| 20:31.51 | poison | unfortunately I have a 3w-9xxx card and I have to use the external modules of 3ware itself |
| 20:31.56 | poison | I think that could be the problem |
| 20:32.10 | Eulex | misha-strong, I've learnt them. |
| 20:32.22 | markybob | poison, use make-kpkg with --initrd |
| 20:32.25 | Eulex | poison, ok. are you using an initrd? |
| 20:32.28 | misha-strong | sandman: linux doesnt steal you bandwitdth like windows does imo |
| 20:33.09 | poison | well, I've built the kernel without make-kpkg and made the initrd myself with mkinitrd, I've mounted the initrd and the drivers are in place and the loadmodules contains the drivers (sd_mod and 3w-9xxx) |
| 20:33.15 | sandman | nkuttler: So I must configure it proper.. |
| 20:33.17 | starfishy | poison: the 9xxx driver is in the kernel |
| 20:33.23 | poison | in a 2.4? |
| 20:33.40 | sandman | nkuttler: Why not just place apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade on a cronjob, then? |
| 20:33.43 | starfishy | so why use an initrd to load the drivers? |
| 20:33.46 | nkuttler | sandman: /usr/share/doc/packagename is always a good place to start |
| 20:33.48 | rezzen | i need to see the entire package name given some 'dpkg -l' output. according to dpkg, i can use the COLUMNS env variable. using various values for COLUMNS, the output i'm seeing doesn't change at all. how can i list all packages on my system, such that the package name is trucnated? |
| 20:33.57 | poison | starfishy: it's not in 2.4 |
| 20:33.57 | tzafrir_laptop | misha-strong, no need to preach to the choir (sp?) |
| 20:34.03 | beardy | !list all packages |
| 20:34.03 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'" |
| 20:34.04 | markybob | sandman, because only an idiot will accpet "y" to all questions without knowing what's happening |
| 20:34.23 | poison | starfishy: at least not in the 2.4.32 vanilla I'm using |
| 20:34.33 | misha-strong | lol, tzafrir_laptop |
| 20:34.43 | rezzen | dpkg: thanks. |
| 20:34.43 | dpkg | bitte, rezzen |
| 20:34.51 | rezzen | is dpkg a robot? |
| 20:34.54 | \amethyst | yes |
| 20:34.57 | misha-strong | no |
| 20:35.03 | misha-strong | hes my friend.. |
| 20:35.11 | wols | it's an artificial lifeform |
| 20:35.13 | misha-strong | he has feelings too you know.. |
| 20:35.16 | rezzen | coolies. ta. |
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| 20:35.41 | poison | any ideas on my problem? |
| 20:36.24 | misha-strong | awk is awkward and makes me gawk |
| 20:36.25 | sandman | markybob: How would you suggest I do it? |
| 20:36.56 | markybob | sandman, upgrade via ssh where you can see what's happening. you shouldnt let a box upgrade itself. not if you actually care about what happens to said box |
| 20:37.10 | starfishy | poison: why are you using 2.4? |
| 20:37.30 | poison | <poison> I don't want to talk about the fact why I'm compiling a kernel: I need TUX kernel http server for some strange reason and therefore I need to build a 2.4 myself |
| 20:37.41 | Rawplayer | re |
| 20:38.08 | misha-strong | 2.4 is _vintage_ |
| 20:38.26 | misha-strong | for those of us that believe a kernel is like a good wine.. |
| 20:38.28 | nkuttler | 2.4 is stable |
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| 20:39.47 | markybob | poison, if you want help here, do things the debian way. if you dont do it the debian way, then you'll probably get more help in #linux |
| 20:39.56 | rezzen | further to my "build list of all packages" task, i need to also note the architecture of the package. can dpkg list all packages including arch type? |
| 20:40.28 | poison | ok I'll try make-kpkg but I doubt it will work better |
| 20:40.39 | poison | thanks for your advice! :) see you later |
| 20:40.41 | markybob | poison, remember --initrd |
| 20:40.49 | poison | ok |
| 20:40.54 | poison | thanks! |
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| 20:42.12 | nkuttler | hm. can't build a kernel but is sure he needs khttpd... |
| 20:42.18 | avar | what application in the debian archive can function as a stopwatch? |
| 20:42.21 | jonathan` | where can i find a list of what tabbed numbers do what in crontab? |
| 20:42.30 | avar | jonathan`: man crontab |
| 20:42.31 | jonathan` | like which one is days, hours, etc |
| 20:42.38 | jonathan` | avar, doesn't tell me there |
| 20:42.52 | misha-strong | oh no, there goes my display, think I better go to #kde |
| 20:42.57 | stew | jonathan`: man 5 crontab |
| 20:42.59 | beardy | jonathan`: man 5 crontab |
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| 20:43.04 | avar | eh, that |
| 20:43.06 | misha-strong | thanks for all yall help, esp stew |
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| 20:43.22 | jonathan` | thanks |
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| 20:44.11 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:44.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:44.14 | abrotman | !moo |
| 20:44.14 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 20:44.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: fix wiki! |
| 20:45.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's fixed |
| 20:46.17 | jonathan` | hmm.. could I start a daemon through crontab with @reboot? |
| 20:46.27 | abrotman | you could |
| 20:46.45 | jonathan` | seems like the easiest way to do it |
| 20:47.19 | abrotman | maybe not the best way |
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| 20:47.39 | nkuttler | jonathan`: is it really so hard to build an init script starting from the skeleton example? |
| 20:47.57 | aladds_ | why can't i apt-get install cups? |
| 20:47.58 | jonathan` | nkuttler, that worked earlier for the IRCd itself, but I couldn't get it to work for the services |
| 20:48.14 | markybob | aladds_, you expect us to tell you what your problem is? seriously?\ |
| 20:48.23 | jonathan` | it kept giving me an error about arguments, but i never gave it anything other than the path |
| 20:48.29 | aladds_ | well, it says there is no installation candidate |
| 20:48.55 | markybob | i wonder if that's why you cant install cups. hrm. probably. |
| 20:49.04 | aladds_ | okk fine, i get that |
| 20:49.07 | abrotman | aladds_: apt-cache search cups |
| 20:49.15 | aladds_ | but what can i do to get cups to install? |
| 20:49.17 | aladds_ | ok |
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| 20:49.43 | aladds_ | oh now i see |
| 20:49.45 | aladds_ | thanks :-) |
| 20:50.38 | De_Mon | how do I stop udev from creating a bazillion pty/tty's? |
| 20:50.47 | markybob | scream at it. |
| 20:50.59 | De_Mon | I tried that, and hitting it.. didn't work :( |
| 20:51.19 | De_Mon | I don't even know how to ask google how to make it stop |
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| 20:51.54 | De_Mon | tty[0-9][a-z][0-9a-z] |
| 20:52.03 | DistroWatch | how do i list all the running services ? |
| 20:52.15 | abrotman | a little vague |
| 20:52.29 | De_Mon | DistroWatch i don't think you can |
| 20:52.34 | DistroWatch | its portmap required ? |
| 20:52.35 | DistroWatch | hmm |
| 20:52.37 | De_Mon | abrotman think redhat :) |
| 20:52.40 | DistroWatch | thats bad then |
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| 20:52.45 | De_Mon | invoke-rc.d starts and stops services... |
| 20:52.51 | swayenvoy | hello ppl! |
| 20:53.00 | DistroWatch | i need to find out which services are started by default |
| 20:53.04 | swayenvoy | got a little problem . |
| 20:53.07 | abrotman | De_Mon: what about it ? |
| 20:53.12 | markybob | !ppl |
| 20:53.12 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 20:53.17 | stew | DistroWatch: install and run rcconf |
| 20:53.18 | abrotman | netstat -an ? |
| 20:53.32 | DistroWatch | stew thanks |
| 20:53.37 | swayenvoy | downloaded the bussinescard version of debian sage and while installation i get an error about tar |
| 20:53.42 | De_Mon | abrotman nothing |
| 20:55.03 | swayenvoy | from several mirrors in austria and germany |
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| 20:57.34 | jonas3 | download the cd or netinstall sarge. downloaded it today and installed it without problem on a dl145g2 Optron |
| 20:57.49 | jonas3 | this weeks testing build |
| 20:58.04 | swayenvoy | would to install a stable branch |
| 20:59.27 | sandman | markybob: I wish there was a way to have the information mailed to me. |
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| 20:59.36 | sandman | markybob: So I'd be mailed about what needs to be upgraded, etc.. |
| 20:59.39 | markybob | sandman, there is |
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| 21:00.14 | sandman | markybob: Or, if an upgrade was performed, what exactly was done. And, if the upgrade was performed, backups would be made such that I could roll back the changes if I didn't like what happened, or if it broke something. |
| 21:00.18 | xav | abrotman: sorry I was off my computer. that was exactely what I was looking for, thanks a lot ! |
| 21:00.24 | abrotman | xav: what was? |
| 21:00.29 | Xteven | hello, there'snot by any chance anyone in here with a dell laptop running lirc to send signals to a tv ? |
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| 21:00.41 | xav | abrotman: http://pkg-voip.buildserver.net/ for openh323 |
| 21:00.43 | markybob | sandman, have cron run this script. if there are updates, the script will email root with what needs to be upgrade. http://pastebin.com/579023 |
| 21:00.52 | abrotman | xav: wasn't me .. it was tfajir |
| 21:00.58 | markybob | s/upgrade/upgraded |
| 21:01.01 | gnu2it2 | I need to move /usr/share over to another disk. any good advice on how-to ? |
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| 21:01.19 | abrotman | xav: err tzafrir_laptop |
| 21:01.20 | xav | oh. |
| 21:01.26 | xav | err |
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| 21:01.37 | xav | so, thank you tzafrir_laptop :) |
| 21:01.38 | pae | hello |
| 21:01.42 | markybob | sandman, see? easy :) |
| 21:01.47 | fndude | Is there something amis with base-config on testing? What is the functional eq? I am trying to build domU for xen with debootstrap and base-config, but files in the base-config package are missing. Is there another way to go about this? |
| 21:01.57 | swayenvoy | gnu2it2: mount it anywhere cp all over and try to mount it over /usr/share |
| 21:02.05 | pae | I have a problem with my fresh debian 3.1 install: after upgrading to r1, I can't stop the portmap service |
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| 21:02.13 | racoontje | hi |
| 21:02.17 | stew | fndude: base-config was removed. if you debootstrap is still looking for it you need a newer debootstrap |
| 21:02.23 | racoontje | im trying to fetch mail using fetchmail |
| 21:02.29 | rezzen | is there a way to provide the debian installer a pre-defined set of packages from the debian mirrors in order to automate the package selection, download, and installation? |
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| 21:02.36 | rezzen | (with versions) |
| 21:02.37 | stew | and i think the latest debootstrap is broken |
| 21:02.37 | markybob | !fai |
| 21:02.37 | dpkg | from memory, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 21:02.44 | swayenvoy | gnu2it2: after that make an entry in your fstab |
| 21:02.46 | racoontje | why do i need an smtp server on localhost? |
| 21:02.48 | DistroWatch | stew many thanks |
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| 21:03.01 | swayenvoy | gnu2it2: and you should be done |
| 21:03.05 | racoontje | reading message myemail@myserver :1 of 1 (1178 header octets) .fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed |
| 21:03.19 | wols | racoontje: cause fetchmail doesn't neecssarily know how to deliver locally. the smpt server does |
| 21:03.31 | abrotman | or procmail |
| 21:03.40 | wols | yes, or an MDA |
| 21:03.51 | racoontje | wols: i thought fetchmail got mail from my mailserver and then delivers it locally |
| 21:03.57 | fndude | stew: ugh so base-config is broken, but I am not sapposte to need it, is that correct? So the debootstrap should in-fact do the job now, as it were of that package in-total? |
| 21:03.57 | racoontje | so i need an mda? :) |
| 21:04.05 | wols | yes, and for this it needs mail delivery agent |
| 21:04.33 | rezzen | markybob, thanks |
| 21:04.42 | wols | racoontje: the question is why don't you have an MTA running? debian certainly installs one |
| 21:04.44 | DistroWatch | stew hmm ,funy , rcconf display me services enabled , that they are not even installed , how come ? like firestarter ... its slected as enabled service any ideea ? |
| 21:04.44 | stew | fndude: base-config isn't broken. its obsolete. use the --second-stage option to a newer debootstrap |
| 21:04.45 | sandman | markybob: There's nothing in that script with a sendmail line or something of that nature. |
| 21:04.53 | markybob | sandman, you're right. what's your point? |
| 21:05.01 | racoontje | wols: why do i need one running? I have one on my local network |
| 21:05.06 | sandman | markybob: Or does apt-get do that automatically with --simulate? (I checked the manpage for apt-get, didn't see anything about e-mail in the section for simulate) |
| 21:05.06 | racoontje | plus i <3 qmail |
| 21:05.14 | fndude | stew: ah very good. that might be the tip I am looking for. TY |
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| 21:05.21 | markybob | sandman, if the script outputs something (which it will only do if there are updates), cron will email the output. that's how cron works. |
| 21:05.45 | wols | racoontje: sp what do you have running/installed instead of exim? |
| 21:05.46 | stew | DistroWatch: the /etc/rc2.d synlink is still there. if you purge the pacakge it will go away, if you just remove a pacakge and don't --purge it, all the config file (files in /etc) are left on your system |
| 21:05.52 | markybob | sandman, that's why i told you to have cron run that script |
| 21:06.07 | racoontje | wols: ssmtp |
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| 21:06.35 | pae | can anybody help me with my portmap problem? |
| 21:06.36 | racoontje | mainly for "please-get-this-mail-off-of-my-system-and-onto-a-relay" reasons |
| 21:07.04 | DistroWatch | stew ahhh , i see |
| 21:07.19 | markybob | sandman, you follow? |
| 21:07.35 | racoontje | well |
| 21:07.40 | racoontje | now i ought to be running qmail. |
| 21:07.53 | racoontje | yay |
| 21:07.54 | racoontje | works |
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| 21:09.27 | Smoked1 | What is the typical time frame for a testing release to become stable? |
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| 21:09.54 | sin | how do i enable mysql for php under debian? |
| 21:10.14 | markybob | Smoked1, four years? it all depends. not quickly, that's for sure. |
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| 21:10.16 | quiet | install php4-mysql ? |
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| 21:11.07 | Xteven | this is definitely the wrong place to ask, but are there any lirc variants for windows that work with SIR (laptop IR port) |
| 21:11.30 | markybob | Smoked1, they're working on shortening the amount of time it takes to something useful. we'll see how that goes. |
| 21:12.07 | pae | I have a problem with my fresh debian 3.1 install: after upgrading to r1, I can't stop the portmap service |
| 21:13.12 | wols | pae: netstat -anp |grep LISTEN |grep 111 |
| 21:13.17 | wols | which process is listening |
| 21:13.20 | wols | ? |
| 21:13.42 | pae | wols: I'm not currently on debian, I'll look into it when I restart |
| 21:14.01 | wols | it it's inetd, you have to edit /etc/inetd.conf and restart inetd |
| 21:14.21 | wols | if it's the portmapper itself, you need to update your rc directories |
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| 21:15.03 | racoontje | hm |
| 21:15.08 | pae | wols: I disabled the portmap in rc2.d, but it still starts up |
| 21:15.20 | pae | wols: should I disable it in rc1.d also? |
| 21:15.29 | abrotman | pae: if you're ont using portmap .. uninstall it |
| 21:16.04 | pae | abrotman: I'm not using it, but when I try to uninstall it, the service has to be stopped. and I can't do it |
| 21:16.18 | abrotman | pae: /etc/init.d/portmap stop |
| 21:16.46 | pae | abrotman: it hangs on "stopping portmap service" |
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| 21:17.01 | racoontje | wait |
| 21:17.08 | racoontje | where does fetchmail put my mail? |
| 21:17.14 | racoontje | It hands it to qmail right? :) |
| 21:17.35 | racoontje | the question is, where the hell did my mail go? |
| 21:17.42 | rezzen | how do i read a .deb packages changelog on a system where atptitude is not installed? (Can I?) |
| 21:18.40 | pae | abrotman: I just read a bug report that says that on someones machine the same action took 5 minutes, I'll reboot and wait a little longer this time |
| 21:18.46 | markybob | rezzen, apt-listchanges |
| 21:18.52 | stew | rezzen: you can extract it with dpkg -x ; or if you dont' have dpkg, you can us ar x to unpack the deb |
| 21:18.53 | wols | racoontje: by default probably in a spoolfile |
| 21:19.33 | stew | pae: do you run gnome? |
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| 21:19.48 | pae | stew: yes, on debian |
| 21:19.53 | rezzen | markbob, stew: thanks. |
| 21:20.15 | racoontje | wols: where is it? |
| 21:20.19 | stew | pae: gnome-panel and anything using libgnomevfs (like gnome-volume-manager) require portmap |
| 21:20.27 | racoontje | I'm sorry, I'm totally lost. |
| 21:21.14 | stew | actually it looks like lots of stuff depends on libgnomevfs2 which depends on fam which depends on portmap |
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| 21:21.51 | sandman | markybob: Yessir, I do indeed follow. |
| 21:22.26 | markybob | sandman, you're a hard person to have a conversation with. you reply ten minutes later :) hope that script helps, anyway. |
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| 21:22.54 | fndude | So with this debootstrap now, do I #debootstrap distro target , then, #chroot target, and, #apt-get debootstrap, #debootstrap --second-stage, whilest in the target I just created? |
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| 21:23.11 | rezzen | i see that it is up to a user to include a changelog inside of a deb package. guess that means most deb packages will not have a changelog. :-\ |
| 21:23.34 | rezzen | s/user/developer |
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| 21:24.31 | stew | rezzen: no a changelog is required by debian policy |
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| 21:24.56 | stew | rezzen: you won't find packages distributed by debian without changelogs |
| 21:25.04 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.16 | pae | stew: so what do I do about portmap? should I try and upgrade it? |
| 21:25.17 | racoontje | any mutt users here? |
| 21:25.24 | wols | racoontje: /var/spool/mail/ perhaps |
| 21:25.34 | racoontje | wols: its empty |
| 21:25.34 | rezzen | ah, i see. my apologies, i missed the changelog in my first glance at a standard debian package. |
| 21:25.38 | stew | pae: what is the problem with portmap? |
| 21:25.57 | wols | racoontje: then you need to look at the logs/your qmail config |
| 21:25.58 | pae | stew: apt-get hangs when it tries to stop it |
| 21:26.02 | rezzen | N0S3, all sorts. |
| 21:26.10 | stew | pae: i'm guess you can't stop it becuase you still are using it |
| 21:26.20 | racoontje | wols: perhaps i should go back to ssmtp and use procmail? this would deliver the mail to some place i want it right? :) |
| 21:26.35 | pae | stew: I'm running apt-get outside of x, which are shut down |
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| 21:27.55 | pae | brb, I'm going to boot debian |
| 21:28.12 | wols | qmail delivers to a place you want it too if you configure qmail correctly |
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| 21:28.41 | racoontje | wols: the problem mainly being me not having a clue |
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| 21:29.18 | wols | you need to set up qmail for your mail storage. and when you don't have a clue about your beloved qmail, do you have one about procmail? |
| 21:29.32 | liran | hey |
| 21:29.34 | wols | so what mail storage do you use? |
| 21:29.36 | liran | stew, you know chroot? |
| 21:29.41 | racoontje | wols: IMAP |
| 21:29.49 | wols | which imap server? |
| 21:30.09 | racoontje | wols: I know qmail -- it's just that I have a terrible headache + throat and probably some other stuff infection |
| 21:30.16 | racoontje | I can't think straight |
| 21:30.22 | racoontje | I'll get it in a while |
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| 21:30.34 | wols | so which imap server do you use? |
| 21:30.41 | racoontje | courier |
| 21:30.57 | wols | so you need to save to maildir |
| 21:31.03 | wols | either with procmail or qmail |
| 21:31.10 | lepton | racoontje: using mutt, running qmail for years. what's the prob? |
| 21:31.12 | racoontje | qmail it is |
| 21:31.26 | racoontje | lepton: headache :-| |
| 21:31.31 | racoontje | lepton: well, lets see |
| 21:32.04 | wols | lepton: configuring qmail to deliver to maildir |
| 21:32.04 | racoontje | lepton: I need fetchmail to get mail, feed it to qmail on localhost, and qmail to get it in ~laurens/mail/inbox |
| 21:32.17 | racoontje | and all of it maildir. |
| 21:32.28 | lepton | racoontje: I ditched fetchmail years ago. using getmail |
| 21:32.43 | racoontje | lepton: oh. i thought getmail was deprecated? |
| 21:32.46 | jcmasters | There's the whole "it's been near esr" problem. |
| 21:33.02 | lepton | amen |
| 21:33.18 | jcmasters | And if he isn't a fucked up whatjob, I don't know anyone who is. |
| 21:33.27 | lepton | racoontje: getmail works for me |
| 21:33.28 | jcmasters | * whackjob |
| 21:33.33 | racoontje | and is no longer in a working state or what? |
| 21:33.44 | racoontje | in fact, fetchmail is the only part of the chain working atm ;-) |
| 21:33.56 | racoontje | I need qmail to deliver to ~laurens/mail/inbox |
| 21:34.11 | racoontje | basically: qmail local delivery needs to be configured |
| 21:34.19 | wols | very nice. no more shitty fetchmail/getmail to run :) |
| 21:34.26 | lepton | racoontje: start with 'man qmail-local' |
| 21:34.45 | lepton | racoontje: it might be as simple as creating ~/.qmail |
| 21:34.54 | abrotman | i recommend apt-get install postfix |
| 21:35.00 | markybob | word |
| 21:35.05 | lepton | whatever works for you |
| 21:35.13 | racoontje | lepton: do you have /var/qmail/bin/sendmail as sendmail in .muttrc |
| 21:35.15 | racoontje | ? |
| 21:35.20 | racoontje | abrotman: postfix is ok |
| 21:35.29 | racoontje | at least it's not as bad as sendmail was 10 years ago |
| 21:35.29 | abrotman | racoontje: don't mind me .. i'm a senile bastard |
| 21:35.53 | wols | abrotman: I didn't want to say it when he mentioned qmail. thank you for doing it in my place :) |
| 21:36.05 | lepton | racoontje: I have no sendmail def in .muttrc |
| 21:36.38 | mrverbose | i have setup lprng and when i try to print from a windows client, it does only print the first few lines and then abort the printing, any idea how to fix this? |
| 21:36.38 | racoontje | lepton: wait, how does .qmail help in qmail (the daemon) delivering me mail |
| 21:36.55 | racoontje | you mean that qmail actually reads every home dir and looks for .qmail? |
| 21:37.20 | abrotman | qmail does lots of weird things .. |
| 21:37.28 | lepton | racoontje: it controls local delivery. read 'man qmail-local' |
| 21:37.43 | dn3 | does anyone know command to check is keyboard connected to machine? |
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| 21:37.51 | racoontje | lepton: yeah, that's what i understood from that manpage |
| 21:37.54 | abrotman | dn3: type on it ? |
| 21:38.13 | lepton | racoontje: ok, read 'man dot-qmail' now |
| 21:38.27 | dn3 | :) i need to reeboot one old machine but first i need to know is keyboard is connected |
| 21:38.53 | racoontje | ok, so i want .qmail with "/home/laurens/mail/inbox" in it. fair enough |
| 21:38.56 | racoontje | thanks lepton |
| 21:38.58 | abrotman | dn3: maybe /proc/devices ? |
| 21:39.17 | abrotman | dn3: i'm really not sure |
| 21:39.27 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:39.41 | shining | does anyone use an open voip software? |
| 21:39.53 | racoontje | shining: like, asterix? |
| 21:40.00 | racoontje | err |
| 21:40.02 | racoontje | asterisk |
| 21:40.11 | shining | isn't that a server? |
| 21:40.26 | racoontje | wols: as you can see, I am anything but |
| 21:40.27 | racoontje | err |
| 21:40.33 | racoontje | shining: servers arent software? |
| 21:41.10 | shining | racoontje: I want something like skype, but open |
| 21:41.23 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.21 | markybob | too bad google talk's client isnt open |
| 21:42.38 | cleancut | I will soon post an announcement about the establishment of a social Tampa Bay Area Debian (TBAD) group. Can anyone confirm that debian-project is the proper debian list to post this to? |
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| 21:45.59 | jak | Hi, can anybody recommend a reliable download manager that can supports variable download rate limits? I've tried downloader4x but it seems to crash a lot. |
| 21:47.26 | cleancut | jak: wget seems to have a --limit-rate switch. |
| 21:47.58 | jak | cleancut, ah. Will wget tolerate being interrupted with ^C ? |
| 21:48.07 | rezzen | N0S3, hi. What, did you have a question? |
| 21:48.22 | cleancut | If you use the -c swtich, it will resume where you left off before the Ctrl-C. |
| 21:48.43 | jak | cleancut, excellent. |
| 21:49.03 | cleancut | jak: the wget man page is worth a read through once. |
| 21:49.10 | cleancut | Or at least once. |
| 21:49.58 | jak | cleancut, yeah I've used it before (and read the man page before). I missed that --limit-rate switch though |
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| 21:57.00 | wireddd | running kicker forwarded from another computer when you already have kicker running. both kicker panels set to no allow programs to cover them up produces quite an amusing effect |
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| 21:58.29 | wireddd | they both try and move the other kicker panel towards the top, which has the effect of both of them flying up and off the top of the screen |
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| 22:01.15 | liran | uhmm |
| 22:01.20 | liran | anybody knows chroot? |
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| 22:01.50 | blondie | !anyone |
| 22:01.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:01.55 | liran | im trying to figure out of a way to migrate from my current dist to debian sarge efficiently (without a whole lot of downtime on the production server) |
| 22:02.06 | N0S3 | rezzen: yes , i have a question... |
| 22:02.24 | sandman | I'd like to install a groupware system wherein one may do most of everything that is done with openoffice, except web-based. |
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| 22:02.41 | sandman | Check-in of files, check-out.. basically a way to enable groups of people to work together. |
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| 22:02.56 | sandman | On a project, and not clobber work. Is there something out there that can do that? Like Zope or some such? |
| 22:03.01 | liran | i was thinking to install debian on a 2nd hd, then reboot with the primary one (old dist) then mount it as chroot and do all installs on that (mysql, apache, etc), im just wondering if i can actually do that or would it interfere with my current system? |
| 22:03.06 | prp | hello, i have a question, i want to do an rsync backup, but on a windows partition (i know that sux but it's the only remote box i have a 100mb/s connection too) so i will use samba put my rsync files there... there is only one problem fat32 will not preserve my files atributes.. how can i pass over this.. is there a way to use rsync with tar.. or something like that ? |
| 22:03.10 | markybob | sandman, egroupware ? |
| 22:03.12 | sandman | Or how about just some kind of check-in check-out system |
| 22:03.20 | liran | sandman, yeah you're looking for egroupware, i got it working and its great. check out #egroupware or egroupware.org |
| 22:03.27 | N0S3 | rezzen: i need use a ddns client |
| 22:03.31 | sandman | Is that in Debian Sarge? |
| 22:03.39 | liran | sandman, i dont think so. |
| 22:03.41 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.06 | liran | sandman, but its not more then unbzip, untar, copy to your /var/www/html/egroupware and then browse to install.php |
| 22:04.20 | liran | sandman, just make sure you meet all requirements (perl, php, mysql or whatever they ask there) |
| 22:04.28 | markybob | prp, that stinks. i suppose you could tar using -a and then rsync the tar. pain in the butt and not very quick, but it'd work |
| 22:04.43 | sandman | liran: Will it be in the next stable release? |
| 22:04.55 | liran | any idea about that chroot backup thing? |
| 22:05.00 | sandman | Doesn't zope do something like this, too? |
| 22:05.17 | liran | sandman, no idea, you'd have to check with #egrupoware guys. though it's darn easy to install without apt-get, seriously. |
| 22:05.26 | liran | i dont know zope. |
| 22:05.51 | prp | markybob: how do i rsync the tar ? |
| 22:06.35 | sandman | Ack, the demo site for egroupware is all in german |
| 22:06.53 | markybob | prp same way you'd rsync any file or directory. |
| 22:06.55 | streuner | that's ok ;-) |
| 22:06.56 | Virtual | I am trying to do IP MASQUERADING, I added the rule to iptables, I modprobed all the needed modules, I changed from 0 to 1 on ip_forward, why wouldn`t it just work already ? |
| 22:07.25 | liran | Virtual, what did you put in the rules? |
| 22:07.44 | markybob | prp, man rsync. it's an easy to understand man file. |
| 22:08.15 | prp | markybob: something like: rsync /home home.tar ? |
| 22:08.31 | Virtual | liable iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 22:08.42 | Virtual | liran iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 22:08.59 | Virtual | liran iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 22:09.19 | liran | Virtual, looks good. |
| 22:09.24 | liran | Virtual, whats your policy on forward? |
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| 22:09.30 | markybob | prp, what? it's rsync source destination. so say you have home.tar and you want to rsync it over to foo. rsync home.tar foo if it's local. if it's not local, rsync home.tar ipaddress:/home/foo |
| 22:09.47 | darkskiez | how can i make linux auto-scan and run raid arrays like on boot, except after you've loaded the modules etc |
| 22:09.54 | darkskiez | ie. after boot |
| 22:10.04 | Virtual | liran it works it seems, i`m doing it remote for a guy and he didn`t enter the right dns servers, now I made it into a little script, where do I put this executable script so it loads automaticly on startup ? |
| 22:10.43 | prp | markybob: no.. i want to backup.. so i have the original /home directory.. witch is the source and a .tar file witch is the destionation... isn't it ? |
| 22:10.53 | liran | Virtual, is it debian? |
| 22:11.04 | Virtual | liran of course. |
| 22:11.16 | liran | you'd have to create an rc.d file for it |
| 22:11.20 | liran | Virtual, man update-rc.d |
| 22:11.38 | Virtual | /etc/rc.d/ is missing in action |
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| 22:11.54 | liran | it's /etc/init.d |
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| 22:12.34 | liran | and /etc/rcN.d |
| 22:12.54 | treyh0 | i wish there was a unixware port of debian |
| 22:12.57 | streuner | !ops ogzy wanna the join the channel (n=oguz@85.98.122.49) |
| 22:12.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ogzy wanna the join the channel (n=oguz@85.98.122.49) |
| 22:13.05 | markybob | prp, stop smoking crack for just a minute. is your goal to move the back to another place or keep it on the local computer? |
| 22:13.15 | markybob | prp s/back/backup |
| 22:13.17 | liran | treyh0, i think i just saw some sort of openbsd+debian on distrowatch, check it out :) |
| 22:14.03 | prp | markybob: move it to another place.. |
| 22:14.30 | markybob | prp, where? another linux machine on the network? |
| 22:14.38 | treyh0 | liran: cool, i'll check it out on the mailing lists... maybe it can help me if i get enough motivation to port some tools over |
| 22:14.44 | GyrosGeier | liran: as long as it's not Plan9 based... |
| 22:15.12 | prp | markybob: as i said in my question to a windows machine over samba.. it's the only thing i got avaible |
| 22:15.14 | liran | i really dont know whats it based on |
| 22:15.21 | GyrosGeier | liran: it was a joke |
| 22:15.21 | liran | im not moving away from mu debian! |
| 22:15.29 | De_Mon | !moo |
| 22:15.29 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 22:15.33 | abrotman | liran: where were you earlier?!?! |
| 22:15.46 | liran | hey abrotman |
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| 22:15.56 | liran | abrotman, i've been always around, just different nicks :) |
| 22:15.56 | abrotman | liran: inap was asking about right-left hebrew input .. |
| 22:16.05 | Woosta | If I have the testing repositories, am I supposed to also have stable listed? |
| 22:16.09 | liran | ohh i see, is he still in trouble? |
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| 22:16.15 | abrotman | liran: dunno .. not around anymore |
| 22:16.21 | liran | ahh ok |
| 22:16.22 | dondelelcaro | hrm.... that's not going to work... |
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| 22:16.39 | abrotman | liran: anyway you can summarize that in a factoid? |
| 22:16.51 | *** mode/#debian [+e oguz*!n=oguz@85.98.*.*] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:16.52 | liran | abrotman, yeah if i'd understand what he wanted to do |
| 22:16.54 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:17.03 | abrotman | liran: he just couldn't figure out what he needed to do hebrew input |
| 22:17.06 | markybob | prp, then why's rsync even involved? |
| 22:17.32 | streuner | !ops ogzy wanna the join the channel (n=oguz@85.98.122.49) |
| 22:17.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ogzy wanna the join the channel (n=oguz@85.98.122.49) |
| 22:17.40 | liran | abrotman, he can read hebrew and all that but cant type it with the keyboard? |
| 22:17.42 | streuner | oh, didn't see the line |
| 22:18.13 | markybob | prp, create a tar of whatever it is you wanna backup (man tar)...then move it over to your samba machine. i assume you have the share mounted as a local dir? mv or cp |
| 22:18.28 | dondelelcaro | streuner: and doing it multiple times isn't really going to do much either... |
| 22:18.37 | jetscreamer | what is p in ls -l, prw------- 1 root root 0 Apr 10 2005 initctl |
| 22:18.45 | helix | TEN TIMES |
| 22:18.48 | bbrazil | jetscreamer: a pipe/fifo |
| 22:18.49 | fndude | It seems that my /dev/ttyx devices are not getting created with debootstrap, I guess I am going daft. I mknod'd a tty1 with 4,1 and it gives me a terminal. What do I use to create the other virterms, the debootstrap way? |
| 22:18.51 | prp | markybob: yes, but that will mean to make the tar every tiem i want to backup |
| 22:19.00 | jetscreamer | thanks |
| 22:19.27 | De_Mon | prp you can make it an incrimental backup, but I wouldn't.. |
| 22:19.33 | markybob | prp, yes. you can have tar append updated files, so it's not really recreating it all. like i said, man tar |
| 22:20.01 | liran | abrotman, ok well if he's on gnome then it's easy as 123: right click on the top bar -> add to panel -> keyboard indicator -> right click on keyboard indicator -> prefs ->layouts -> add israeli layout -> then go to keyboard layout -> choose keys to toggle between languages, then apply, and you're set. |
| 22:20.06 | streuner | dondelelcaro: yep, right, but sometimes it helps |
| 22:20.23 | liran | abrotman, if he's on kde it's just like it but they have a different name for the keyboard applet there. |
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| 22:21.51 | pae | hello |
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| 22:22.31 | De_Mon | hello |
| 22:22.42 | liran | abrotman, OR if he wants to do it through console he can edit xorg.conf and change the keyboard layout to us,il and the switches to grp:switch,grp:alt_shift_toggle |
| 22:23.04 | pae | how come when I run apt-get dist upgrade on a 3.1 system without the kde packages, apt tells me that those packages will be upgraded? |
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| 22:23.20 | liran | you can add that to !hebrew :) |
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| 22:23.26 | liran | dpkg !hebrew |
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| 22:23.39 | liran | yeah nothing, like i thought |
| 22:24.29 | treyh0 | !homebrew |
| 22:24.49 | liran | !homebrew |
| 22:25.07 | rezzen | N0S3: you need a ddns client. why didn't you just say that in the first place? www.google.com/search?q=ezipupdate |
| 22:25.10 | liran | treyh0, you're fooling me :) |
| 22:25.13 | treyh0 | hehe |
| 22:25.18 | treyh0 | i want some of my homebrew but im at work :P |
| 22:25.29 | Rawplayer | re |
| 22:25.39 | liran | umm |
| 22:25.49 | liran | would anyone have a clue on my chroot backup question? |
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| 22:26.27 | pae | is there a way to limit apts bandwidth comsumption? |
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| 22:27.07 | cr3 | anyone know of something like rss2email which can create a digest of messages, instead of sending a message per news item? |
| 22:27.31 | chealer | pae: could you give details? which package? |
| 22:28.00 | jair | guys could I add (non-free) and the other servers to my current /etc/apt/source.lst without brake anything on the Debian stable distribution? |
| 22:28.14 | pae | chealer: it seems all kde packages |
| 22:28.30 | chealer | pae: example? |
| 22:28.39 | liran | pae, here's an idea: choose a bad connection repository :) |
| 22:28.44 | markybob | jair yes. |
| 22:28.49 | streuner | dondelelcaro: besides, what's the command to do the exeption? |
| 22:28.55 | chealer | jair: non-free is not a server |
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| 22:29.03 | pae | chealer: kdelibs, kde-base, etc |
| 22:29.10 | jair | markybob, and all I can add are "main" "non-free" and??? |
| 22:29.25 | markybob | jair, contrib ? i havent a clue what you want |
| 22:29.32 | chuckyp | !testing security |
| 22:29.32 | dpkg | testing security is, like, Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
| 22:29.33 | jair | chealer, ohh really so what is it, a collection of other packages for the debian dist... |
| 22:29.43 | wols | does nonUS still exist? |
| 22:29.45 | N0S3 | rezzen: :) |
| 22:29.47 | chealer | jair: it's called a section |
| 22:29.49 | chealer | !non-us |
| 22:29.50 | dpkg | non-us is probably where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 22:29.55 | jair | markybob, yes, thank you, all I need is have access to those packages. |
| 22:30.00 | wols | N0S3: ez-ipupdate works fine here |
| 22:30.09 | N0S3 | ahh |
| 22:30.14 | dondelelcaro | streuner: it's +e, but it appears to be broken on the ircd. |
| 22:30.17 | jair | chealer, ohh ok so those sections are good to have or not? |
| 22:30.28 | N0S3 | but i need check the ip with a webpage |
| 22:30.37 | wols | N0S3: why? |
| 22:30.56 | chealer | jair: well non-free has non-free software. it's good to have if you want software in non-free despite it being non-free |
| 22:31.06 | wols | ;) |
| 22:31.10 | N0S3 | wols: my external interface not have a public ip |
| 22:31.23 | wols | N0S3: then tell your router to use dyndns |
| 22:31.36 | chealer | pae: it would be easier if you gave exact names of binary packages |
| 22:31.57 | jair | chealer, ok the thing is that i will be setting up a postfix server on this machine and I do not want to found myself missing a dependency or a package. |
| 22:31.58 | wols | cause when it doesn't have a public ip, ez-ipupdate can't know when to actualize the IP/DNS name |
| 22:32.12 | N0S3 | wols: :( my router doesn't have that option |
| 22:32.19 | wols | jair: you don't need anything but main for postfix |
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| 22:32.44 | chealer | jair: APT should tell you if you are missing a dependency. software in main has all dependencies and recommendations provided in main |
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| 22:32.56 | jair | chealer, I see |
| 22:33.21 | pae | chealer: you think that those packages are marked for upgrade because they're linked to some other that I have/will have installed? |
| 22:33.38 | jair | chealer, if I have to add in the future anything from contrib or non-free should I add the same words to the line of security.debian.org ? |
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| 22:34.19 | chealer | jair: if you want security support, I guess (although non-free doesn't have security support officially) |
| 22:34.28 | dadexter | hey unix_infidel |
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| 22:35.08 | ogzy | hi |
| 22:35.08 | chealer | pae: please give the exact name of an example package marked for upgrade |
| 22:35.13 | jml6 | Why is it that with testing security, my system downloads the same thing (bzip2) everytime i update? |
| 22:35.35 | ogzy | i had asked a question to debian-laptop but couldnt get an asnwer so maybe someone may help |
| 22:35.56 | streuner | jml6: did you put the right URL into your sources.list? |
| 22:36.04 | chuckyp | so to keep my system up to date just; apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade? |
| 22:36.19 | jair | chealer, I see, ok I will have them just in case. peobably all the packages I will be using will be from main, and I always will run the command "apt-cache policy "package"" to see if they will be installed from other section than "main" |
| 22:36.23 | ogzy | I tried to install  Debian Inspiron 16000 with Debian 3.1r1. The |
| 22:36.23 | ogzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.27 | ilvecchioalex | may I ask a question about aptitude ? |
| 22:36.40 | jml6 | streuner, yes i believe so. I followed the instructions from the URL dpkg provided |
| 22:36.47 | javiolo | !ask |
| 22:36.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:36.48 | ogzy | i tried linux26, expert26, sarge d-i rc2 installer and sarge dvd itself |
| 22:36.50 | chealer | chuckyp: which release do you run? |
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| 22:36.52 | ogzy | none of them worked |
| 22:36.59 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 22:37.08 | chuckyp | chealer, testing |
| 22:37.16 | abrotman | liran: ok .. thanks |
| 22:37.28 | chealer | chuckyp: you would need to apt-get dist-upgrade instead of upgrade |
| 22:37.29 | ogzy | 82801FBM Ultra ATA/ATAPI Storage Controller (under IDE/ATA drives |
| 22:37.29 | ogzy | > section) is the device driver |
| 22:37.31 | ilvecchioalex | I need to downgrade udev to an older version but I don't know how to do it, I am on debian testing and kernel 2.6.12 |
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| 22:37.34 | liran | abrotman, np |
| 22:37.38 | ogzy | what could be the problem |
| 22:37.53 | streuner | jml6: what's the name of the factoid? |
| 22:37.53 | chuckyp | chealer, okay what would the difference be? |
| 22:37.58 | stew | ilvecchioalex: why do you need to download udev? |
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| 22:38.03 | DevilChaos | generaal question the night they have changed the card games on me for solitair in gnome HELP! which is the original game cant be bothered going throught them all there are too many? |
| 22:38.07 | chuckyp | chealer, just for my sanity |
| 22:38.13 | jetscreamer | klondike |
| 22:38.23 | chealer | chuckyp: upgrade doesn't necessarily upgrade all packages. see the manpage for details |
| 22:38.26 | jetscreamer | DevilChaos: ^^ |
| 22:38.36 | chuckyp | chealer, okay |
| 22:38.37 | jml6 | streuner, factoid? |
| 22:38.40 | DevilChaos | ty |
| 22:38.44 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 22:38.52 | jetscreamer | DevilChaos: kpat is better than the gnome version imo btw |
| 22:39.03 | jetscreamer | kde patience |
| 22:39.04 | streuner | jml6: /msg dpkg foo - /message bot factoid |
| 22:39.31 | ilvecchioalex | now I havestew, because it gives problems with mounting emovable devices |
| 22:39.45 | DevilChaos | ah |
| 22:40.03 | streuner | jml6: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 22:40.08 | DevilChaos | iv had games of internet chess too |
| 22:40.16 | ilvecchioalex | now I have udev 0.085 installed |
| 22:40.17 | stew | ilvecchioalex: which version of udev do you have now? |
| 22:40.36 | stew | ilvecchioalex: i'd recommend makeing sure you have a fresh udev config: /msg dpkg fresh udev config |
| 22:40.36 | jml6 | streuner, yeah I've done that. followed directions. still doesn't answer question... |
| 22:40.37 | ilvecchioalex | and I have read that it is a bug of this version |
| 22:40.54 | ilvecchioalex | stew, is it a command ? |
| 22:40.55 | stew | ilvecchioalex: if you really want to downgrade, apt-get install udev=version |
| 22:40.55 | DevilChaos | free free free if it were in windblows they'd find away for us to pay for it I hate Bill Gates |
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| 22:40.58 | DevilChaos | !!!!!! |
| 22:40.58 | dpkg | somebody said !!!!! was "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
| 22:41.00 | ogzy | is there anything that could be done if the installed couldnt find a hard disk to partition? |
| 22:41.04 | stew | !tell ilvecchioalex about fresh udev config |
| 22:41.44 | DevilChaos | i like wearing my underpant on my head not lol |
| 22:41.52 | streuner | jml6: well, i would guess, there aren't any new files to update then |
| 22:41.58 | N0S3 | wols: i use ddclient |
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| 22:42.02 | ilvecchioalex | thanks stew, I try it now |
| 22:42.24 | jml6 | streuner, well does it make sense that it would re-download the same files? |
| 22:42.26 | N0S3 | wols: i can check my ip and update it with a web |
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| 22:43.01 | N0S3 | wols: but i cannot update with different protocols |
| 22:43.02 | streuner | jml6: if you do it each day its enough |
| 22:43.37 | chuckyp | chealer, i ran apt-get upgrade by accident well its updating some stuff but it appears its installing stuff that is already there. like the kernel 2.6.15 which is already running. |
| 22:43.53 | jml6 | streuner, day after day, the same output is displayed. |
| 22:44.16 | chealer | chuckyp: it must be upgrading it |
| 22:44.30 | chealer | chuckyp: actually, upgrading is the only thing upgrade does |
| 22:44.34 | ilvecchioalex | are you there stew ? |
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| 22:45.00 | stew | aye |
| 22:45.38 | drc | chealer: are you sure? I heard that apt-get and aptitude don't work well together |
| 22:45.51 | ilvecchioalex | I wanted to use only aptitude to install this box for tracking purposes, doesn't matter now I give a dpkg command? |
| 22:45.51 | drc | but I know nothing, so |
| 22:45.55 | poison | I have a question about compiling kernels with make-kpkg: I have external sources from 3ware that need to be in an initrd image. How do I compile a kernel with that module the debian way? |
| 22:46.18 | chealer | drc: sure about what? aptitude doesn't work well with any other package manager |
| 22:46.33 | streuner | poison: /msg dpkg kp |
| 22:46.36 | stew | ilvecchioalex: aptitude wouldn't know anything ever happened, which is fine in this case. |
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| 22:47.00 | streuner | poison: read newbiedoc.sf.net KERNEL-HOWTO |
| 22:47.04 | MrPrimate | hey I am having a serious problem on my server--- all of a sudden no dns is resolving internally, |
| 22:47.09 | ilvecchioalex | I have read the man of dpkg, that command will purge udev and then install it again |
| 22:47.12 | MrPrimate | this makes my web server and mail server take like 30 seconds to respond |
| 22:47.14 | MrPrimate | can anyone help ? |
| 22:47.19 | drc | chealer: well it just came into my mind that maybe apt-get is messing what aptitude did, if this guy used aptitude before... or that's how I understood it anyway, sorry, forget :) |
| 22:47.21 | ilvecchioalex | regardless of dependencies problems |
| 22:47.54 | ogzy | is there anyone that can help my install problem |
| 22:47.56 | poison | euhm: I'm not a newby in kernel compiling, I just never did it the debian way |
| 22:48.14 | ogzy | the installer is not able to find the hard disk |
| 22:48.18 | poison | and since my new system refuses to boot I was wondering if the debian way could help me |
| 22:48.41 | chuckyp | chealer, okay results of apt-get upgrade did everything that apt-get dist-upgrade was planning on doing. I'll do a dist-upgrade next time though. |
| 22:48.52 | stew | ilvecchioalex: yes, in generall, using --force-foo is not wise but in this case its fine becuase we are going to reinstall it immediately |
| 22:48.55 | chealer | drc: I don't think so, he's saying the apt-get is upgrading stuff. I don't use aptitude due to its incompatibility with other package managers, but AFAIK the problems are that packages installed/removed by other package managers than aptitude are removed/installed (not upgraded) |
| 22:49.26 | stew | ilvecchioalex: its just a way to ensure that you have the latest version of the package maintainers configuration. |
| 22:49.39 | chealer | chuckyp: nice |
| 22:49.43 | streuner | ogzy: SATA? |
| 22:50.05 | ogzy | streuner, 82801FBM Ultra ATA/ATAPI Storage Controller |
| 22:50.32 | ilvecchioalex | ok stew, I did it, do I need to restart now? |
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| 22:50.42 | streuner | ogzy: yep, some people have prolly ALL Storage Controller in market in there head... ;-) |
| 22:50.53 | ogzy | streuner, it is the driver name under IDE/ATA section of the win device manager |
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| 22:51.13 | stew | ilvecchioalex: you shoudln't need to restart |
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| 22:51.23 | ilvecchioalex | sew it works! |
| 22:51.25 | jMCg | Wow. |
| 22:51.29 | jMCg | Hello! |
| 22:51.51 | Ronin | now that was a brisk walk home |
| 22:51.55 | ogzy | streuner, i tried rc1 rc2 Sarge dvds but none of them detected the disk |
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| 22:52.13 | ilvecchioalex | thank you so much! so, maybe the problem was for some old config files ? |
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| 22:52.27 | stew | ilvecchioalex: yeah. must be. that is why i created that factoid :) |
| 22:52.29 | jMCg | Anyone of you girls or boys set up postfix recently.... Or constantly? |
| 22:52.36 | dadexter | wtf |
| 22:52.43 | stew | jMCg: if you ahve a real question, just ask it |
| 22:52.52 | ogzy | streuner, so what do you suggest |
| 22:52.53 | blondie | jMCg: yes I set it up 24x7 |
| 22:52.54 | ilvecchioalex | I am in debt of a beer with you stew! ;-) |
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| 22:53.05 | dadexter | can't I ever hide from #archlinux? |
| 22:53.13 | nvz | blondie: does that make you a postfixer? |
| 22:53.17 | ilvecchioalex | solved a problem and learned something new |
| 22:53.18 | dga | How can I make the font in Fluxbox smaller? |
| 22:53.23 | blondie | yes, I fix posts |
| 22:53.50 | streuner | ogzy: i would suggest you buy a controller which is support |
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| 22:53.56 | jMCg | I'm having a little bit of a problem virtual mailboxes. [I'm not sure if it's caused by the fact that postfix runs chrooted] -- I'm getting this error: Mar 1 23:09:00 localhost postfix/virtual[27180]: 67E4421C2DC: to=<luser@virtual.test>, relay=virtual, delay=4962, status=deferred (mailbox /home/vmail/virtual.test/luser: cannot create file exclusively: No such file or directory) |
| 22:53.58 | ogzy | it is a laptop |
| 22:54.02 | streuner | ogzy: s/support/supported/ |
| 22:54.05 | stew | ilvecchioalex: i'd rather have a glass of tuscan wine than italian beer :) |
| 22:54.10 | streuner | ogzy: what model? |
| 22:54.11 | Virtual | how do I set the timezone, with tzconfig and if I set the timezone will the clock be automaticly set to it ? |
| 22:54.25 | jMCg | This is my postconf -n http://phpfi.com/105084 -- And this is my http://phpfi.com/105086 -- I'm using this http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/index.shtml.en tutorial as basis, only with PostgreSQL as database instead of MySQL. |
| 22:54.33 | ogzy | streuner, Debian Inspiron 16000 |
| 22:54.36 | jMCg | I would very much appreciate any hint I can get for my debugging. |
| 22:55.28 | stew | jMCg: you could try running it non-chrooted and see if that is in fact the problem |
| 22:55.29 | ilvecchioalex | stew... I am going to offer you a bottle of tuscan wine because... I was wronk, it doesn't work! |
| 22:55.52 | stew | ilvecchioalex: tell us exactly what you are trying and what error you are getting |
| 22:55.53 | dga | I am running Fluxbox in Xorg. I can't seem to find the file to modify the font size. The current font size is way too big for me. Is there a way to reduce the size? |
| 22:56.06 | uwe | um, i have a debian iso image, how can i edit its content, i mounted it on loop back, but i cant edit files in it, i always get "read only filing system"!! any ideas? |
| 22:56.16 | JoshH | dga: it's in the style file |
| 22:56.25 | dondelelcaro | uwe: you have to copy it, then make a new iso using mkisofs |
| 22:56.33 | ogzy | streuner, it is a new laptop so it sounds the installer should support it |
| 22:56.36 | uwe | i c |
| 22:56.37 | ilvecchioalex | so, it's about my ipod nano (for example), udev used to mount it like an external usb mass device until I did a dist-upgrare |
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| 22:56.53 | dondelelcaro | uwe: depending on the modifications you want to make, you're probably better off using the cd creation scripts or d-i |
| 22:57.03 | stew | ilvecchioalex: do you have the usb-storage and sd_mod kernel modules loaded? |
| 22:57.21 | ilvecchioalex | but... wait a moment, I tried to write a udev-rule on my own |
| 22:57.30 | uwe | will look into that dondelelcaro , thanks! |
| 22:57.30 | ilvecchioalex | maybe better to remove it noww |
| 22:57.31 | macsim | hi, I have a problem with audacity, I'm running a 2.6.15 kernel, I use udev and alsa, when I try to start audacity, it refuse to use my sound card (SB Live), I googlize, but I only found solution about esound, any idea ? thanks |
| 22:57.55 | pngwen | I have been trying to build and use kernel 2.6.15 with my debian distro, but my ATI drivers (fglrx) don't like it, they kernel panic in 2.6.15. I tried 2.6.14 with the same results. Has anyone had success with getting it to work with later 2.6.x kernels? |
| 22:57.57 | stew | macsim: do you have the snd-seq-oss kernel module loaded? |
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| 22:58.17 | macsim | stew, no |
| 22:58.23 | ilvecchioalex | but the fact is that id get mounted as it should under the /media dir |
| 22:58.28 | jMCg | stew, nope! BUT -- I think I've traced the error down. |
| 22:58.29 | jMCg | Mar 1 23:57:15 localhost postfix/virtual[27547]: match_list_match: virtual.test: no match |
| 22:58.32 | stew | macsim: err, i meant snd-pcm-oss |
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| 22:58.57 | macsim | stew, no, I load it insteed I use alsa ? |
| 22:59.05 | ilvecchioalex | the problem raises when I try to access it by clicking on it my "my computer" icon |
| 22:59.31 | macsim | stew, that works thanks a lot |
| 22:59.43 | chealer | pngwen: most likely. ask #ati |
| 22:59.50 | macsim | stew, why I need it if I use alsa ? |
| 22:59.51 | streuner | ogzy: http://www.mm.bme.hu/~szazs/IBMtpT42.html |
| 22:59.53 | stew | macsim: it just makes the oss /dev/dsp device available for applications written for oss |
| 23:00.09 | macsim | stew, ok thank you a lot ;) |
| 23:00.14 | stew | macsim: its the oss compaptibility for alsa drivers |
| 23:00.15 | pngwen | chealer: k, asking there too. didn't know if this would be fglrx or the debian side of things |
| 23:00.52 | macsim | stew, thx it's something usefull, I will remember it ;) |
| 23:00.56 | streuner | ogzy: he has the same controller and got it to work in debian |
| 23:01.20 | ogzy | streuner, ok |
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| 23:01.32 | stew | macsim: put snd-pcm-oss into /etc/modules so it gets loaded automatically |
| 23:01.48 | macsim | stew, ok thanks |
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| 23:02.28 | streuner | ogzy: what kernel did you use? |
| 23:02.38 | ogzy | streuner, 2.6 |
| 23:02.58 | Omniflux | Do non Debian based distributions (such as RH, Mandrake, Fedora) support upgrading from one release to another as Debian does? |
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| 23:03.32 | Stevie | erm |
| 23:03.35 | Stevie | who set +r? |
| 23:03.41 | streuner | ogzy: hm, wired, because he use d-i (sarge) 2.6.8 kernel |
| 23:04.26 | chealer | Omniflux: no, Debian patented the idea |
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| 23:05.26 | wols | Omniflux: the support it, but it's common knowledge in here that they do an inferior job compared to debian |
| 23:05.53 | ilvecchioalex | stew, this is the sequence I do: when I attach the ipod, ls /media shows nothing; then i double click on Computer -> multimedia reader ipod and the ls /media shows me ipod2, so it is mounted and i can use it BUT now in "my computer" i read "multimedia reader ipod (2)" and if i double click it, it raises an error saying "unable to mount /dev/ipod2, it is already mounted, it should only open that location! |
| 23:06.12 | treyh0 | how come debootstrap and cdebootstrap can only use one repository? :/ |
| 23:06.21 | ogzy | streuner, i tried to install from sarge d-i rc2 but it even couldnt find the cdrom itself during the installation |
| 23:06.41 | streuner | ogzy: if that doesn't still work, just get an etch installer or/and /msg dpkg di |
| 23:07.13 | Omniflux | chealer, Wols: Thanks |
| 23:07.13 | ogzy | streuner, ok |
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| 23:07.21 | delmar | Anyone here know much about using SATA drives etc? hdparm /dev/sda (SATA drive) output shows IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) and NO mention of DMA... and its performing slower than a 250gig IDE 133 drive.... what am I missing .. anyone? |
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| 23:07.52 | godmachine81 | how is it that you change the prompt prefix for a shell (using bash) like how it is in format username@hostname (pwd) ?? how can i make it where it is just like hostname: (pwd) #?? |
| 23:08.00 | ogzy | streuner, i need sleep, thanx |
| 23:08.03 | ilvecchioalex | stew are you there? it is not exactly as I said, when I attach the ipod it always show "multimedia reader ipod (2)" |
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| 23:08.45 | streuner | ogzy: you're welcome, if you get the same problem (IP) just get a cloak or /msg an op here |
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| 23:09.23 | streuner | ogzy: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 23:09.44 | ogzy | streuner, i will but staffer from freenode channel said me to fix problem with the ops here |
| 23:09.56 | ogzy | anyway i will try to reach one of you |
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| 23:13.17 | Aghaster | hi |
| 23:13.35 | Aghaster | i have a problem with debian etch |
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| 23:14.03 | Aghaster | when i try to load gdm, xorg tells me : /etc/X11/X is not executable |
| 23:14.10 | Aghaster | what can i do to fix this? |
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| 23:15.30 | chuckyp | Aghaster, you did a upgrade via apt-get didn't you? |
| 23:15.43 | Aghaster | exactly this |
| 23:16.23 | Aghaster | i want to install etch, but the current cd image available is broken for i386 |
| 23:16.30 | MZM | anyone knows how to disable touchpad when usb mice is pluged in? |
| 23:16.42 | Aghaster | so i tried installing stable than changing repositories to testing and to do an upgrade |
| 23:16.48 | streuner | Aghaster: both? |
| 23:16.55 | Aghaster | yes, both |
| 23:16.57 | streuner | Aghaster: beta and default etch installer? |
| 23:17.13 | Aghaster | default? |
| 23:17.29 | Aghaster | there are more than one versions of etch installer available? |
| 23:17.31 | streuner | Aghaster: the one with 2.6.12 kernel and beta (2.6.15) |
| 23:17.33 | chuckyp | Aghaster, you can do a netinstall |
| 23:17.41 | chuckyp | Aghaster, with the mini.iso |
| 23:17.52 | Aghaster | can you give me the link? |
| 23:18.00 | chuckyp | Aghaster, yeah hold up |
| 23:18.02 | jml6 | Aghaster, how are they broken? |
| 23:18.02 | liran | can i mount another linux dist as chroot and then do installs and configurations from that chroot environment without affecting the current runing system? |
| 23:18.12 | Aghaster | jm16: kernel is kinda missing. |
| 23:18.40 | jml6 | Aghaster, that's wack, homes |
| 23:18.52 | Aghaster | yeah, its in the current issues |
| 23:18.55 | Aghaster | that aren't solved |
| 23:18.56 | Aghaster | yet |
| 23:19.35 | Aghaster | [25 Feb 06] Daily builds switched to etch_d-i but are completely broken due to missing kernel modules (i386 at least) |
| 23:19.39 | chuckyp | Aghaster, http://people.debian.org/~fjp/d-i/images/daily/gtk-miniiso/ |
| 23:19.40 | Aghaster | look |
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| 23:20.16 | Seb | where do i specify whether or not a system uses shadow passwords ? |
| 23:20.25 | Aghaster | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ how different is it from the netinstall cds provided here? |
| 23:20.36 | Echelon | Has anybody here had any luck setting up GoSA on a debian install |
| 23:20.36 | Aghaster | because i did try with a netinstall cd yesterday |
| 23:20.55 | Aghaster | or is the iso you just gave me is a bit older but at least working fine? |
| 23:21.04 | Seb | i'm logged in on a new system, and want to make it *not* use shadow passwords, how do I do that ? |
| 23:21.15 | chuckyp | Aghaster, it is the current working netinstall method for testing |
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| 23:21.22 | Xenguy | Seb: I would think shadow passwords should always be used |
| 23:21.28 | Xenguy | oh |
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| 23:21.56 | Aghaster | ok. because according to this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today installers are broken since a week |
| 23:22.01 | Seb | Xenguy: well, my bro fucked something up, and his /etc/shadow is gone |
| 23:22.12 | Aghaster | but i'll give your iso a try |
| 23:22.32 | Xenguy | Seb: ouch |
| 23:22.35 | Aghaster | hey, its only 9mb |
| 23:23.08 | Seb | Xenguy: so, how do tell the system not to use shadow anymore, so I can at least start resetting passwords for existing users ? |
| 23:23.17 | chuckyp | Aghaster, its not my iso it was in debian weekly news are the current one that works because the others are broken |
| 23:23.39 | Seb | Xenguy: i'd guess the little 'x' as the second field in /etc/passwd isn't the only thing meaning shadow, or is it ? |
| 23:23.44 | Aghaster | ok |
| 23:23.50 | Aghaster | so this one i'm sure it'll work? |
| 23:23.59 | Aghaster | is it an i386 version? |
| 23:24.02 | Xenguy | Seb: offhand I dunno - if it were me I'd ask here (check), STFW, or read a man page :-) |
| 23:24.16 | chuckyp | Aghaster, it will try to autodectect arch and install |
| 23:24.29 | chuckyp | Aghaster, trust me it will work its a gui installer and does netinstall |
| 23:24.42 | Aghaster | ok, because my arch is AMD64 but i wanna install i386 |
| 23:24.56 | Xenguy | Seb: maybe man passwd and man shadow would offer some clues? |
| 23:25.01 | jMCg | Aghaster, sed -e 's/^[^:]\(.*\):x:\(.*\)$/\1::\2/' -i /etc/passwd |
| 23:25.14 | Aghaster | ? |
| 23:25.24 | jMCg | Aghaster, wait... BAD idea. |
| 23:25.34 | jMCg | Uhm.. do you still have a root console? |
| 23:25.38 | Aghaster | yes |
| 23:25.39 | Xenguy | Seb: hrm pwconv |
| 23:25.43 | Aghaster | its logged in atm |
| 23:25.44 | Aghaster | as root |
| 23:25.47 | Aghaster | in recovery mode |
| 23:25.48 | chuckyp | Aghaster, it may try to install amd64 arch then. |
| 23:26.04 | Xenguy | Seb: er, looks interesting I mean (got it off the bottom of 'man shadow') |
| 23:26.16 | Aghaster | hum.. |
| 23:26.47 | MZM | anyone using laptop with touchpad here? |
| 23:27.14 | beardy | MZM: Ask your question instead, what problem you are having. |
| 23:27.31 | Xenguy | Seb: but looks like maybe you need *both* files to use that one, hrm |
| 23:27.33 | MZM | anyone knows how to disable touchpad when usb mice is pluged in? |
| 23:27.50 | Echelon | Has anybody fumbled with GoSA on a debian box? |
| 23:28.11 | FliesLikeABrick | anyone here use kontact? |
| 23:28.30 | beardy | MZM: Have you configured X (or gpm) to use the USB mouse instead of the touchpad? |
| 23:28.49 | Xenguy | Seb: now I'm not sure about that - read the man page yourself I guess ;-) |
| 23:28.57 | Seb | Xenguy: thans man |
| 23:29.14 | MZM | beardy: nope. it just works with both out of box (/dev/input/mice in X) |
| 23:29.15 | Xenguy | Seb: what, did you get it working? |
| 23:29.16 | javiolo | any bittorrent client like azureus ? with the same options like change port... |
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| 23:30.17 | Seb | Xenguy: yup, remove the 'x' next to my login name in /etc/passwd, used passwd to reset my passwd, then pwconv to recreate /etc/shadow ou of that |
| 23:30.22 | Seb | s/ou /out / |
| 23:30.29 | Seb | Xenguy: thx a ton, didn't know about pwconv |
| 23:30.55 | beardy | MZM: Hmm, ok. So your touchpad isn't /dev/psaux, it's USB aswell? |
| 23:30.57 | Xenguy | Seb: I didn't either, I just saw it at the bottom of 'man shadow' ;-P |
| 23:31.06 | Xenguy | Seb: glad it worked out |
| 23:31.10 | MZM | in X I can use three input devices at one time - touchpad and 2 usb mices. only touchpad is usable - both mices have wrong speeds |
| 23:31.43 | Seb | Xenguy: thx :) |
| 23:31.49 | MZM | beardy: actualy - dunno. its 2.6.15 with udev that hides all |
| 23:31.49 | Xenguy | Seb: yw |
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| 23:32.30 | beardy | What good is udev, really... |
| 23:32.38 | beardy | MZM: Ok. |
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| 23:33.58 | chuckyp | Okay so how do I set up my laptop to use s3virge in x instead of vesa I selected in install like a tard? Running etch. |
| 23:34.41 | MZM | chuckyp: dont you have VIA Unichrome video card? |
| 23:35.10 | chuckyp | MZM, no I have an s3 virge video card. |
| 23:35.25 | chuckyp | err s3 savage |
| 23:35.40 | fhffhqvb | chuckyp: crapfest! |
| 23:36.14 | beardy | MZM: Look in /dev/input, do you have mouse0, mouse1 and so on? Use one of them specifically (in your X config), try them one by one until you find the one you want? |
| 23:36.14 | javiolo | !bittorrent |
| 23:36.15 | dpkg | hmm... bittorrent is a P2P file distribution protocol. BitTorrent is also the name of the original BitTorrent client, available in Debian. other clients include bittornado, ktorrent (KDE), rtorrent, qtorrent (Qt) and azureus (only in contrib) |
| 23:36.15 | chuckyp | fhffhqvb, its an old laptop |
| 23:36.26 | fhffhqvb | chuckyp: it's one of the few unsupported semi-recent cards in many games |
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| 23:37.33 | chuckyp | fhffhqvb, the s3 savage? |
| 23:37.35 | chuckyp | what? |
| 23:38.17 | fhffhqvb | chuckyp: yes. |
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| 23:38.45 | fhffhqvb | chuckyp: i returned if because the opengl implementation was fucked up |
| 23:38.49 | chuckyp | Well how do I switch from vesa to whatever driver I need for the s3 savage IX? running etch |
| 23:39.06 | chuckyp | fhffhqvb, i'm not worried bout playing games this is an old pos laptop. |
| 23:39.10 | fhffhqvb | wouldn't that be the savage driver? |
| 23:39.15 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure the x server |
| 23:39.32 | wols | it is. and it sucked majorly when I used it |
| 23:39.56 | chuckyp | wols, whats the package name I need to reconfigure? |
| 23:40.12 | chuckyp | wols, xorg? |
| 23:40.16 | liran | can i mount another linux dist as chroot and then do installs and configurations from that chroot environment without affecting the current runing system (like setting up on it mysql/apache)? |
| 23:40.31 | bbrazil | liran: yes |
| 23:40.36 | wols | chuckyp: xserver-xorg I think |
| 23:40.56 | chuckyp | wols, let me try that. |
| 23:41.53 | liran | bbrazil, ahh leet. so just when i run things like mysql/apache on the chroot environment ill make sure those ports arent taken by the primary system right? |
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| 23:46.56 | chuckyp | wols, yeah xserver-xorg |
| 23:48.36 | drc | How can I enable mysql support in php, do I need to reinstall it or can I just add something in the configures |
| 23:50.06 | drc | or wait, supported databases MySQL.. so I think Im ok. |
| 23:50.06 | Stevie | you could convert to perl, which doesn't need to be directly bound to a particular DB driver at build time |
| 23:50.36 | nkuttler | drc: did you install a mysql module for php? |
| 23:50.48 | drc | good point nkuttler |
| 23:52.12 | drc | installing it, thanks nkuttler |
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| 23:53.42 | drc | nkuttler: can you tell me what more do I need to do, now I have php4-mysql |
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| 23:54.05 | wireddd | exit |
| 23:54.13 | wireddd | oops |
| 23:54.13 | nkuttler | drc: not sure, look in /usr/share/doc/php4-mysql |
| 23:54.34 | bbrazil | liran: yip, I think you might be looking for UML or Xen |
| 23:54.56 | jair | guys it is ok to use an ntp server in a windows domain controller window and a debian linux running postfix server gfor emails? |
| 23:55.04 | neiras | Hi there - on the command line, what's the best way to remove all local and obsolete packages (with config)? |
| 23:55.29 | nvz | neiras: look into the package debfoster and deborphan |
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| 23:56.04 | neiras | nvz, thanks |
| 23:56.06 | beardy | neiras: And use purge to remove config files. |
| 23:56.28 | neiras | beardy, you too |
| 23:57.05 | beardy | nvz: Does debfoster and deborphan just list packages, or can they be told to remove aswell? |
| 23:57.17 | nvz | beardy: afaik they just list |
| 23:57.43 | neiras | still, easy enough to send the output to dpkg |
| 23:57.46 | nvz | beardy: this is why we have xarge and while read |
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| 23:58.25 | beardy | Of course, just wondering, since I haven't used them myself. |
| 23:58.45 | nvz | I used deborphan once |
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| 23:58.52 | nekostar | um |
| 23:58.54 | nvz | if you use aptitude all the time you dont need them |
| 23:59.02 | nekostar | is anyone familiar with implimenting raid 50 |
| 23:59.02 | beardy | I do. heh |
| 23:59.16 | nekostar | and perhaps afs ? |
| 23:59.19 | nvz | aptitude keeps track of all that for you |
| 23:59.43 | beardy | nvz: Yeah, I know. |
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| 23:59.59 | DeeJay[2] | HEmm.... I'm not used to the initrd stuff... |
