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| 00:10.55 | valdyn | Meltir: maybe youŕe just running low on ram |
| 00:11.07 | Meltir | nope - that never jumps above average |
| 00:11.26 | valdyn | Meltir: what's average supposed to mean? |
| 00:11.27 | Red_Cloud | azeem, the result of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg was that it could not connect to the X server |
| 00:11.43 | Meltir | valdyn: about 100megs (of the 250 i have) |
| 00:11.47 | azeem | Red_Cloud: then you did not pick the right options |
| 00:11.50 | paotsin | hello, can anyone tell me what it means to be 4,8 or 16way? is this a feature of the cpu? or mobo? |
| 00:11.51 | Meltir | 255 |
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| 00:12.11 | Meltir | im not seeing any swap usage inside gkrellm. |
| 00:12.14 | valdyn | Meltir: doesnt sound realistic for a system running vmware and probably more |
| 00:12.21 | bbrazil | paotsin: could be the cache associtavity |
| 00:12.35 | jade | found C-q did the trick. was screen mode "lockscreen" |
| 00:13.00 | valdyn | paotsin: 16 cpu's are in a 16-way system |
| 00:13.05 | valdyn | paotsin: 16 cpus are in a 16-way system |
| 00:13.05 | Meltir | valdyn: its a slim system image. besides - it doesnt account for the times it happens when i type "make" in a sources dir |
| 00:13.32 | Red_Cloud | azeem, you have found me out, I do not know anything of options. I am a complete noob and have not yet acquired the knowledge of options that I need to perform this operation. |
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| 00:13.50 | beerd | is there a weather app that runs from a terminal (aterm)? |
| 00:14.06 | Meltir | also - if it were swap - i would eventually run out of it - this just keeps on going for hours on end. and i only have 2 gigs of swap |
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| 00:15.08 | azeem | Red_Cloud: why did you upgrade to testing then, if your system was apparently running fine on stable? |
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| 00:15.28 | valdyn | Meltir: 2 gig swap is huge for 250mb ram system |
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| 00:15.56 | Meltir | valdyn: i played it safe - i sometimes process big amounts of data |
| 00:16.11 | Meltir | but they never hanged the system like this. |
| 00:16.27 | paotsin | bbrazil, valdyn: so in 8 way, 4 processor system, a processor can have access to another cpu's cache? in this case a max of 1 shared cpu cache? |
| 00:16.30 | Meltir | its a 250 gig drive so i can afford 2 gigs of swap |
| 00:17.00 | unix_infidel | whoa, its meltir. |
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| 00:17.16 | valdyn | paotsin: x-way = x cpus in a system, doesnt say a thing about anything else |
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| 00:17.40 | Red_Cloud | azeem, the packages that I wanted to install on my system were unavailable with the sarge distro. In order to get these packages, I needed to upgrade to testing. All was going well until I started upgrading additional packages which seemed to me to be of no harm. Whis was a mistake, obviously. |
| 00:17.41 | Meltir | whois unix_infidel |
| 00:17.53 | Meltir | crap :P unix_infidel do i know you ? :> |
| 00:18.03 | azeem | Red_Cloud: it is better to use backports |
| 00:18.11 | Meltir | ah, a fluxbox user :) |
| 00:18.15 | azeem | Red_Cloud: anyway, check /var/log/X* for error messages |
| 00:18.17 | bbrazil | paotsin: ah, an 8 way system is a 8 processor system |
| 00:18.22 | azeem | Red_Cloud: probably you need to reconfigure your mouse |
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| 00:18.50 | paotsin | valdyn, ic.. im no engineer but my boss keeps asking me about it... anyways... thanks. need more googling =) |
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| 00:19.40 | valdyn | paotsin: i think that is more marketing terminology |
| 00:19.51 | valdyn | paotsin: the x-way wording |
| 00:20.31 | Red_Cloud | azeem most probably since I also lost my keyboard. I am using a different keyboard with a different connect instead of a usb. |
| 00:20.38 | paotsin | valdyn, right. =) |
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| 00:24.04 | Red_Cloud | azeem, I will be back after checking the X* for errors. I guess that should give me plenty of fodder to chew on to correct my configurations. Have patience. I have been studying the Introduction to Linux before my disaster recently. I really don't intend to sponge from expert knowledge forever. It is just that I have fallen into deep water and am touching bottom. Be back in a few. |
| 00:24.34 | derek_57hgf | hello,how do I go about blocking a a ip address |
| 00:25.04 | derek_57hgf | in os x I would just use ipfw |
| 00:25.36 | petemc | derek_57hgf: you can use iptables, or iproute |
| 00:25.43 | derek_57hgf | thanks |
| 00:25.49 | eeyore- | or arts student |
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| 00:29.56 | devin_ | anyone know of any good kernel how to guides i really need to upgrade this kernel 2.4 to something fairly new? |
| 00:31.10 | repp | you really want a debian howto guide |
| 00:31.32 | Jokinen | i compiled the 2.4 series as usual |
| 00:31.34 | eeyore- | devin_: so upgrade it and fix things that break :-) |
| 00:31.52 | eeyore- | devin_: easiest, go install one of the linux-image-2.6.... package |
| 00:32.02 | Dark_CMX | I have a question. Though I have no clue if this is the right area to put it. How do you get the Database name, Username, and password. I'm new at this, so I need help. |
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| 00:33.19 | Dewi | how can I edit the entries in the gnome menu panel tree? |
| 00:33.22 | apacker | I have cvs up and running. I have an old repository laying around from a previous server. Can I just drop it in, say, /home/cvs/cvsroot (which is initialized as my new repository) ? |
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| 00:34.34 | Wilotas | Hi, someone knows any how-to to install XGL on debian? |
| 00:34.41 | eeyore- | apacker: depends on what you mean by "repository" |
| 00:35.01 | apacker | CVS Part 2 - One of my users is on windows and has the newest versions of the projects (which he previously committed to the OLD server). Now since his cvs client doesnt think he has made any changes, he cannot commit this stuff (unless he changes every file a little bit)?? How do I make this transition? |
| 00:35.09 | Dark_CMX | Hey, apacker, were you answering my question? I wasn't sure. |
| 00:35.18 | eeyore- | apacker: and no, it wouldn't be in "cvsroot" directory anyway (i assume you mean CVSROOT, all caps) |
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| 00:35.21 | apacker | Dark_CMX, no |
| 00:35.35 | zinx | apacker: his CVS client is broken. |
| 00:35.43 | apacker | eeyore-, i dont mean CVSROOT - the old admin actually had the repositoy in /home/cvs/cvsroot and i am recreating this |
| 00:35.43 | Dark_CMX | OK, just wondering. |
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| 00:35.58 | apacker | eeyore-, i.e. /home/cvs/cvsroot/CVSROOT exists |
| 00:35.58 | unholycrap | okay so i am net-inst'ling |
| 00:36.05 | eeyore- | apacker: define "repository" (this is not what your client checked out, is it?) |
| 00:36.16 | unholycrap | detect network hardware fails to recognize anything but a non-existing floppy drive |
| 00:36.36 | apacker | zinx, can I copy his versions of the files to a unix machine and then commit them to the server? they all have hidden folders "CVS" with a bunch of shit in them, of course... |
| 00:36.36 | eeyore- | apacker: if it's just "i copied the entire cvsroot/ from one machine to another, can it still function?" then yeah, the answer is yes |
| 00:36.48 | apacker | eeyore-, no, clients checked out modules, being folders with their projects in them |
| 00:36.55 | eeyore- | apacker: but if you're just looking to get the client-side checked out directory tree into the server, no, it wouldn't work |
| 00:37.19 | apacker | eeyore-, ok, good. that has worked for some projects/modules/folders. |
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| 00:37.38 | apacker | eeyore-, HOWEVER, brendon (the windows user) has the newest version of SOME projects |
| 00:37.51 | unholycrap | i usualy use wavelan2 for my network |
| 00:37.57 | unholycrap | can i install this on the net install? |
| 00:38.06 | apacker | eeyore-, I want Brendon to be able to commit those. should i copy the old versions directly by hand on unix to /home/cvs/cvsroot and THEN have him commit? |
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| 00:39.07 | apacker | eeyore-, I have tried what I just described using WinCVS and Tortoise CVS on windows. both programs try to tell me that nothing has changed, because brendon hasnt changed anything according to his computer! |
| 00:39.39 | apacker | eeyore-, the problem is that the old server crashed and somehow a bunch of new lines were inserted into some of Brendon's projects. we cannot figure out how this is remotely possible. |
| 00:39.44 | unholycrap | does wavelan2 come on the net install cd? |
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| 00:39.53 | unholycrap | i am having trouble getting my network set up in the net install |
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| 00:40.38 | eeyore- | apacker: well ... my thinking is ... |
| 00:40.51 | apacker | eeyore-, this is really fucking confusing. i tried to lay it out as logically as possible. |
| 00:40.59 | eeyore- | apacker: there's the easiest way, and there's the nice way |
| 00:41.13 | eeyore- | apacker: the easiest way is to delete the CVS directories from the client and do a new import :-)))))) |
| 00:41.23 | unix_infidel | anyone here running a debian i686 kernel noticing any difference? |
| 00:41.24 | eeyore- | apacker: of course that screws up the revision history |
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| 00:41.47 | apacker | eeyore-, thats fine! i tried that, and tCVS threw some weird error! |
| 00:41.54 | eeyore- | apacker: the nice way is to get your repository sane first (you have backup, right?) and *then* |
| 00:42.05 | apacker | eeyore-, is it really a legal manuever to deelet all those cvs files? |
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| 00:42.14 | apacker | eeyore-, there arent *that* many folders i could do this by hand even |
| 00:42.20 | eeyore- | apacker: and *then* delete the CVS directories, check out to new root, do a diff, then merge, and check-in |
| 00:42.34 | unix_infidel | more specifically what kind of kernel would i want for a amd 3100+ computer. |
| 00:42.35 | unix_infidel | ?? |
| 00:42.38 | eeyore- | apacker: got that? |
| 00:42.44 | unix_infidel | i'm running default 2.6 currently |
| 00:42.48 | LsD- | in trying to apt kde it wont get kdebase says its a broken package.. any way to fix this? |
| 00:42.52 | apacker | eeyore-, hm, i think so. processing... |
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| 00:43.36 | apacker | eeyore-, I think it may even be easier in my case to start a bran spankin new repository, delete clients CVS files, and import as a new proj. |
| 00:43.39 | eeyore- | apacker: basically, you just check out fresh new project, then diff this "fresh" copy with "one he's worked on", to generate a diff. once you have the diff, apply the changes and re-check in with comment "Changes made after server went down" or some such to make it known |
| 00:43.51 | eeyore- | apacker: sure, if you don't care about change history |
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| 00:44.02 | unholycrap | binary-14.iso |
| 00:44.07 | eeyore- | apacker: that's why i said there are two ways: easy, and nice |
| 00:44.10 | unholycrap | does this mean that there are 14 different pakage cds? |
| 00:44.14 | unholycrap | or is 14 the version |
| 00:44.17 | CosmoDad | is there a way to make the DNS resolver cycle through all nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf and only return unsuccessfully if all nameservers couldn't give an answer? |
| 00:44.31 | apacker | eeyore-, no, he's got versions he is completely satisfied with... no one will be going back anytime soon |
| 00:44.40 | azeem | CosmoDad: that's how it's done |
| 00:44.42 | apacker | eeyore-, although... your method is kinda sexy... |
| 00:44.43 | eeyore- | apacker: famous last word :-) |
| 00:44.50 | apacker | eeyore-, heh indeed |
| 00:44.50 | Drac|Laptop | Why is the Debian kernel source, when unpacked, larger than 100MB?! |
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| 00:45.27 | Coweater | there is a lot of source |
| 00:45.27 | eeyore- | apacker: never a good idea to throw away change history |
| 00:45.40 | eeyore- | apacker: esp. if this is for some commercial software ;-) |
| 00:45.51 | Drac|Laptop | Okay... well.. Can I build a kernel on one system and transfer it over to another? |
| 00:45.59 | apacker | eeyore-, ok, so i can literally make an empty folder with the correct project name and import it as new for step 1, right? |
| 00:46.08 | eeyore- | Drac[Server]: if that were not possible, how would debian even exist? |
| 00:46.20 | CosmoDad | azeem: are you absolutely sure? if you are, my network setting must be erroneous |
| 00:46.24 | unholycrap | does this mean that there are 14 different pakage cds? |
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| 00:46.33 | unholycrap | or is 14 the version |
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| 00:46.37 | eeyore- | apacker: you don't have to make any directory on the server ... it's done by the "cvs import" and "cvs commit" on the client (on the fly) |
| 00:46.39 | brosioz | anyone known if wpa-psk is secure more than wep128 ? |
| 00:46.41 | kingsley | Drac[Server]: In some cases, yes, but it often depends on the hardware. |
| 00:46.44 | apacker | eeyore-, if only the old admin hadnt been using suse linux and FUCKING REISER grrrr |
| 00:47.03 | unholycrap | how can i find out which binary cd the packages i need? |
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| 00:47.10 | eeyore- | apacker: suse = questionable, reiser = idiotic, suse + reiser = must be german fanboy |
| 00:47.15 | apacker | eeyore-, oh, i meant make the empty folder on some other client to make a fresh copy for the server |
| 00:47.32 | eeyore- | apacker: it can be on same client. wincvs right? |
| 00:47.56 | apacker | eeyore-, wincvs somewhat annoys me... tCVS seems to be doing things more nicely for me |
| 00:47.58 | unholycrap | are there 14 diffrent binary cds? or are these all different versions |
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| 00:48.11 | apacker | eeyore-, sometimes wincvs simply forgets what CVSROOT (as in -d ) im using.... incredibly annoying |
| 00:48.17 | eeyore- | apacker: wincvs has this directory icon you can click on to change to new working directory |
| 00:48.44 | eeyore- | apacker: wincvs honors environment variable, so set it there (my computer -> properties -> advanced -> environment variables) |
| 00:48.48 | apacker | eeyore-, yeah, i like just going to that damn dir and right-clicking :) |
| 00:48.49 | bucky | unholycrap: can't do a net install? |
| 00:48.56 | eeyore- | we use v1.3.20.3 beta 20 |
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| 00:49.03 | apacker | eeyore-, (on an interesting note, this so-called german fanboi is now in austria...) |
| 00:49.25 | CosmoDad | azeem: on my network, I cannot ping a particular host by name, but I can ping by IP address and get a valid return from one of my servers in /etc/resolv.conf if I use dig |
| 00:49.27 | unholycrap | bucky i am having trouble with the net-install, my network device is not detected automaticly |
| 00:49.29 | apacker | eeyore-, oh, hm wasnt expecting a win prog to use env! |
| 00:49.29 | eeyore- | apacker: hmm. interesting. |
| 00:49.31 | unholycrap | i usualy use wavelan2 |
| 00:49.33 | Marudubshinki | anyone? |
| 00:49.37 | CosmoDad | azeem: one of my name servers, that is |
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| 00:49.42 | unix_infidel | anyone here running the i686 optimized kernel-image in etch repos? |
| 00:49.44 | unholycrap | i was thinking maybe a package cd would have what i need, if i could find it |
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| 00:49.50 | unix_infidel | noticing a performance differencE? |
| 00:50.04 | unix_infidel | how do i go about installing that kernel image and applying it. |
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| 00:50.14 | eeyore- | apacker: i have to deal with wincvs/windows users a lot :-) |
| 00:50.28 | CosmoDad | azeem: the nameserver that can give the DNS answer is third in line, so I suppose the Debian/Linux resolver does not query every nameserver |
| 00:50.37 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:50.50 | unholycrap | s/msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 00:50.54 | eeyore- | apacker: latest problem, wincvs going through cisco pix firewall, with screwed-up bios, not handling packet fragmentation properly. this one had me stumped for a couple of weeks working on it on and off |
| 00:50.59 | waxbolt | how on earth does one save an iptables configuration to start at boot? where did /etc/init.d/iptables save go? |
| 00:51.06 | eeyore- | apacker: needless to say, i hate cisco even more than before |
| 00:51.06 | unholycrap | you think this will be the fix bucky |
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| 00:51.16 | bucky | unholycrap: which nic ? |
| 00:51.20 | unholycrap | also to answer my question, are there 14 different package cds? or are these diffrent versions |
| 00:51.27 | unholycrap | its a gateway something-er-other |
| 00:51.28 | disposable | ls |
| 00:51.34 | azeem | CosmoDad: what does "cannot ping by name" mean? |
| 00:51.36 | Marudubshinki | how can I get apt to accept an inconsistent working state as consistent? |
| 00:51.41 | apacker | eeyore-, holy crap that sounds painful. |
| 00:51.43 | azeem | CosmoDad: do you get an error message? |
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| 00:52.00 | azeem | Marudubshinki: you cannot |
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| 00:52.05 | eeyore- | apacker: eventually the answer is "simple", just set the MTU on the clients to 1300. but the real answer is to fix the broken firmware :-) |
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| 00:52.18 | apacker | eeyore-, I gave up after about 10 hours trying to fix that reiser crash and finally just said "OK fuck this. Hand me a debian install cd and a fresh harddrive, im going in!" |
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| 00:52.33 | waxbolt | how on earth does one save an iptables configuration to start at boot? where did /etc/init.d/iptables save go? |
| 00:52.41 | eeyore- | apacker: using reiser on sensitive partition is inexcusable |
| 00:52.42 | azeem | Marudubshinki: maybe putting some packages on hold or using equivs to fake the installation of some non-installed packages might work |
| 00:52.44 | Marudubshinki | azeem: are you sure? even if it is working and correct, and the problem is outdated dependency info? |
| 00:52.54 | apacker | eeyore-, oh yeah, the answers are always simple in the end. thats why i hate these jobs. |
| 00:52.55 | azeem | Marudubshinki: outdated dependency info? |
| 00:52.56 | eeyore- | apacker: you should make it in your policy now, "no more reiserfs on production system" |
| 00:53.02 | unholycrap | so |
| 00:53.05 | gpm | hey guys, every time i start up nfs-kernel-server, i see this message: NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as |
| 00:53.05 | gpm | the NFSv4 state recovery directory ... nothing to worry about right? |
| 00:53.09 | CosmoDad | azeem: yeah I get "unknown host" |
| 00:53.14 | unholycrap | are there really 14 binary images? or are these all different versions? |
| 00:53.19 | apacker | eeyore-, well, since im the new "computer guy" in the lab you can guarantee there's no reiser ANYWHERE> |
| 00:53.19 | CosmoDad | azeem: so name lookup failed |
| 00:53.20 | bucky | waxbolt: zless /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitdscript.gz |
| 00:53.22 | Marudubshinki | azeem: w3m-el works with emacs-snapshot. but the package insists on having xemacs-21 installed. |
| 00:53.23 | azeem | CosmoDad: what happens if you put that third line up front? |
| 00:53.27 | Marudubshinki | that's what I mean |
| 00:53.52 | CosmoDad | azeem: it works if I put it at the very top |
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| 00:54.06 | Marudubshinki | but I guess I will look into equivs |
| 00:54.14 | waxbolt | bucky, thanks... |
| 00:54.16 | azeem | CosmoDad: ok then |
| 00:54.24 | CosmoDad | azeem: I have three NS entries, it doesn't work if the proper NS is at second or third position in resolv.conf |
| 00:54.30 | azeem | no idea, I thought they were each tried after a timeout |
| 00:54.48 | azeem | Marudubshinki: yes, equivs |
| 00:54.49 | CosmoDad | azeem: well I'm not getting timeouts, the other nameservers do answer |
| 00:54.58 | CosmoDad | azeem: it's just that they say "I don't know that host" |
| 00:55.06 | azeem | CosmoDad: ah |
| 00:55.06 | unholycrap | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.16 | CosmoDad | azeem: apparently, the resolver thus keep trying thereafter |
| 00:55.18 | unholycrap | are these 14 cds full of packages? or are they different versions of one package cd? |
| 00:55.37 | bucky | unholycrap: they are not for different packages |
| 00:55.39 | CosmoDad | azeem: s/keep/won't keep/ |
| 00:55.42 | Marudubshinki | azeem: looking at the equivs package page, I should file a bug report about this w3m-el business, right? |
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| 00:55.51 | bucky | unholycrap: do you want to mirror your own debian archive? |
| 00:55.53 | unix_infidel | why not do the net install if you dont wanna burn 15cd :P |
| 00:55.57 | apacker | eeyore-, gotta run. thanks for all the help. i may come back to the screen when I screw up this "nice" fix :) |
| 00:55.59 | unholycrap | what?? |
| 00:56.00 | JaVaSan | hi guys... if i install the program called "ant" trough apt-get... he make me install kaffe virtual machine too... but there is an incompatibility with my java virtual machine. Can i compile the program "ant"? Is it a better way? Thanks in advance. |
| 00:56.02 | eeyore- | apacker: ok |
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| 00:56.04 | bucky | unholycrap: what kind of nic do you have? |
| 00:56.07 | azeem | CosmoDad: ok, I see. I don't think you can do that |
| 00:56.10 | waxbolt | bucky, do i just need to copy that into /etc/init.d/iptables ? |
| 00:56.23 | bucky | waxbolt: did you read it? |
| 00:56.27 | anubis_EO | can someone tell me how in outlook you stop a certificate from being trusted (Testing a certificate setup on postfix) |
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| 00:56.45 | eeyore- | anubis_EO: ask microsoft |
| 00:56.51 | CosmoDad | azeem: :( |
| 00:56.56 | anubis_EO | eeyore: i dont like bill |
| 00:57.01 | Shadowcat | anubis_EO: you can remove trusted certificates |
| 00:57.10 | waxbolt | bucky, i don't have /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 00:57.13 | eeyore- | anubis_EO: we don't either :-) maybe it has something to do with revocation list? |
| 00:57.23 | unholycrap | bucky Gateway 802.11B PCMCIA card Wireless WBM-120 |
| 00:57.27 | CosmoDad | azeem: thanks for helping |
| 00:57.33 | anubis_EO | ShadowCat: ok ill look that up thanks eeyore: lol |
| 00:57.34 | azeem | Marudubshinki: #337860 |
| 00:57.39 | unholycrap | when using fedora core, i think i was using wavelan2 to get this working |
| 00:57.56 | bucky | waxbolt: did you zless /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitdscript.gz |
| 00:58.09 | waxbolt | bucky, yes |
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| 00:58.26 | Systemadmin | anyone set up a server before in whm autopilot? |
| 00:58.44 | bucky | waxbolt: i think it says in the comments at the top of the file to copy it over to /etc/init.d/iptables |
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| 00:59.16 | Bac9 | can someone help me troubleshoot a network issue, I can access the internet from one node on the lan but not from the other, I can see syn going out and syn|ack coming back, then something else (with PSH set) repeatedly go out but nothing coming back |
| 00:59.19 | waxbolt | bucky, no, it doesn't |
| 00:59.22 | Marudubshinki | azeem: thanks |
| 00:59.45 | waxbolt | bucky, which is why i asked :) |
| 01:00.14 | eeyore- | Bac9: aren't you bringing out heavy artillery too early? |
| 01:00.23 | eeyore- | Bac9: isn't it something easier? |
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| 01:00.34 | Bac9 | eeyore-: please elaborate |
| 01:00.37 | bucky | waxbolt: copy it over.. there might be more instructions in /usr/share/doc/iptables |
| 01:00.53 | eeyore- | Bac9: like oh ... wrong netmask, wrong default route, stale ARP cache, conflicting IP, conflicting (as in, duplicate) MAC? |
| 01:01.13 | Bac9 | eeyore-: I do not know |
| 01:01.13 | unholycrap | should the linux-wlan-ng drivers be on the net install cd? |
| 01:01.13 | eeyore- | Bac9: maybe the router has stale ARP cache? |
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| 01:01.21 | Stevie | Bac0n: Like, two hosts on the LAN? |
| 01:01.21 | unholycrap | they should be, right? |
| 01:01.48 | Stevie | err |
| 01:01.50 | Stevie | Bac9 |
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| 01:02.27 | Stevie | unholycrap: I would expect so. Are you perchance using the etch installer? |
| 01:02.41 | unholycrap | i am using the one on the debian site |
| 01:02.44 | unholycrap | for x86 |
| 01:02.55 | Bac9 | eeyore-, Stevie: the topology is node A to GW to node B to node C, A goes out fine, B goes out only if I lower mtu below 1500, C doesn't go out at all |
| 01:03.03 | unholycrap | it did not detect any network hardware automaticly other than a floppy drive |
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| 01:03.10 | Stevie | 'to node B to node C'? |
| 01:03.29 | Stevie | unholycrap: Are you using the stable or testing netsinst image |
| 01:03.32 | Stevie | ? |
| 01:03.41 | unholycrap | stable, i think |
| 01:03.45 | Stevie | check |
| 01:03.55 | Stevie | the testing ones are broken (at least, they were a week ago) |
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| 01:04.05 | Bac9 | Stevie: yeah, GW to switch , split to A/B, abd C is attached to B |
| 01:04.14 | Stevie | so wait |
| 01:04.17 | Stevie | B is acting as a router? |
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| 01:04.25 | Stevie | does B have ip_forward turned on? |
| 01:04.25 | eeyore- | Bac9: ah :-) cisco firewall? |
| 01:04.32 | unholycrap | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1a "Sarge" - Official i386 Binary-1 CD |
| 01:04.36 | unholycrap | is the installer i am using |
| 01:04.42 | eeyore- | Bac9: "lower the MTU below <x>" smells of stinking cisco firmware bug |
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| 01:04.45 | Stevie | unholycrap: okay, then I don't know what's wrong |
| 01:05.06 | Bac9 | eeyore-: nope, linux everywhere |
| 01:05.11 | Bac9 | eeyore-: iptables |
| 01:05.21 | Bac9 | Stevie: yep |
| 01:05.22 | Stevie | Bac9: Does B have ip_forward enabled? |
| 01:05.25 | eeyore- | Bac9: linux *shouldn't* have packet fragmentation/reassembly bug ... |
| 01:05.52 | Bac9 | eeyore-: I don't know what is going on, I don't even know where to look next |
| 01:05.52 | Stevie | Bac9: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 01:05.59 | eeyore- | Bac9: what you're saying ("lower the MTU") is indicative of packets needing to be fragmented but not reassembled properly |
| 01:06.09 | JaVaSan | how can i figure out what service is listening at any port? |
| 01:06.17 | Bac9 | Stevie: set to 1 on GW and B |
| 01:06.18 | Stevie | JaVaSan: lsof, or netstat -lnp |
| 01:06.28 | Stevie | JaVaSan: the latter as root |
| 01:06.35 | Mazingaro | please, cannot display pdf documents with firefox (sid, mozplugger 1.7.3 and acroread from marillat) |
| 01:06.37 | Stevie | Bac9: do you have iproute installed on B? |
| 01:06.42 | Bac9 | eeyore-: yes I would agree, but then why does A with mtu 1500 go out just fine ? :-( |
| 01:06.49 | Bac9 | Stevie: yes |
| 01:06.49 | bucky | unholycrap: according to google that's a hostap wireless card so the drivers are in the kernel.. the only thing the install guide says about wireless is this |
| 01:06.50 | bucky | http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch03s03.html.en#id2518688 |
| 01:06.55 | Stevie | Bac9: What is C's IP? |
| 01:07.09 | eeyore- | Bac9: i can't really answer that :-) i'm not looking at your setup with my own eyeballs |
| 01:07.18 | waxbolt | bucky, success... had to make the /var/lib/iptables directory |
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| 01:08.09 | bucky | waxbolt: don't forget to rc.d-update add iptables defaults |
| 01:08.31 | bucky | s/rc.d-update/update-rc.d |
| 01:08.32 | Bac9 | Stevie: 192.168.2.x |
| 01:08.45 | Stevie | what is x? |
| 01:08.49 | Bac9 | eeyore-: can you give me some ideas? |
| 01:08.52 | unholycrap | should the detect network hardware configure my wifi card automaticly?? |
| 01:09.02 | unholycrap | should i try modprobe linux-wlan-ng |
| 01:09.05 | unholycrap | or insmod |
| 01:09.13 | Marudubshinki | can it? a lot of drivers were non-free I thought |
| 01:09.16 | unholycrap | is linux-wlan-ng the name of the mod i am probing |
| 01:09.22 | unholycrap | if that is the driver my network card typicaly uses |
| 01:09.27 | unholycrap | or will it be something else |
| 01:09.30 | bucky | waxbolt: update-rc.d iptables defaults |
| 01:09.33 | Bac9 | eeyore-: the thing is A did the same thing initially (not accessing the net) then I did ifdown/ifup and that seemed to solve it, I tried same on B with no luck |
| 01:09.40 | Stevie | Bac9: What is x? |
| 01:09.54 | eeyore- | Bac9: i can't really give you more ideas at this point. please try to describe your topology a little more. i don't understand what "then to B and then to C" part |
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| 01:10.42 | nvz | sounds like token ring to me |
| 01:10.42 | Bac9 | Stevie: 244 (if it makes a difference) |
| 01:10.45 | Stevie | it does |
| 01:10.54 | Stevie | Bac9: on B: 'ip route get from 68.84.124.227 to 192.168.2.244' (no need to be root) |
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| 01:11.27 | Stevie | what's the first line it comes back with? |
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| 01:11.28 | Bac9 | eeyore-: GW - switch - AandB, B - C |
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| 01:11.57 | aidan | when installing CVS, "List the directories that are the roots of your repositories", is that repositories hosted on my server? |
| 01:11.58 | eeyore- | Bac9: sorry, i must be dense or something |
| 01:12.07 | Stevie | eeyore-: Don't worry, I've got it. |
| 01:12.14 | Bac9 | Stevie: RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 01:12.20 | Stevie | Bac9: err, what? |
| 01:12.30 | Bac9 | Stevie: that's what comes back |
| 01:12.34 | Stevie | Bac9: okay, try this |
| 01:12.43 | Stevie | on B: 'ip route get from <b's IP> to <c's IP>' |
| 01:12.44 | eeyore- | Stevie: ok |
| 01:13.04 | azeem | aidan: yes |
| 01:13.21 | azeem | aidan: just leave the default if you don't plan to host repositories |
| 01:13.22 | aidan | azeem: /src/cvs the standard? |
| 01:13.35 | Bac9 | Stevie: 192.168.2.244 from 192.168.2.1 dev eth1 |
| 01:13.46 | Stevie | is eth1 the interface that C is connected via? |
| 01:14.14 | Bac9 | Stevie: yep |
| 01:14.16 | Stevie | okay |
| 01:14.27 | Stevie | you said all four machines (GW included) are running Linux? |
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| 01:14.40 | Bac9 | Stevie: C is dualboot |
| 01:14.46 | Stevie | well |
| 01:14.48 | Stevie | right now? |
| 01:14.51 | Bac9 | Stevie: the rest linux |
| 01:15.06 | Bac9 | Stevie: right now win32, I can boot to linux (where I see same) |
| 01:15.13 | Stevie | okay |
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| 01:15.26 | aidan | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 01:15.27 | aidan | db4.2-util libneon24 libsvn0 patch subversion |
| 01:15.46 | Stevie | on GW: ip route get from <gw's ip> to <c's ip> |
| 01:15.54 | aidan | If I don't want to use DB with subversion, can I set that somewhere and not install db4.2-util? |
| 01:16.11 | Stevie | fsfs, eh |
| 01:16.39 | Stevie | I don't think you can :( but there may be a way to setup a dummy package |
| 01:16.55 | azeem | aidan: no, but you could configure subversion not to use it |
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| 01:17.12 | Stevie | Bac9: you get that? |
| 01:17.13 | aidan | okay, I'll have a play around, thanks :) |
| 01:17.17 | Bac9 | Stevie: from GW internal IP: 192.168.2.244 via 192.168.3.1 dev vlan0 src 192.168.3.9 |
| 01:17.24 | Stevie | ooh |
| 01:17.34 | Stevie | Bac9: That's not right. Shouldn't that be 'via 192.168.2.1' ? |
| 01:18.01 | Bac9 | Stevie: B is 192.168.3.1 toward GW and 192.168.2.1 toward C |
| 01:18.09 | Stevie | oh, okay |
| 01:18.14 | Stevie | are you on C, right now? |
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| 01:18.32 | Bac9 | Stevie: I am on A and sshed into all of them |
| 01:18.47 | Stevie | I thought you said C was booted to win32 |
| 01:19.38 | Stevie | oh, cool. all that 'from <ip>' is unnecessary if you're on the machine with that ip |
| 01:20.58 | Bac9 | Stevie: vnc |
| 01:21.35 | Stevie | can you boot C into Linux, and on it, try: ip route get to <b's IP> |
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| 01:21.36 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 01:21.54 | Stevie | yoo hoo |
| 01:21.54 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.55 | Bac9 | Stevie: sure, but I can ping from C to: B, GW or google.com, I just can't load the websites |
| 01:21.56 | yoo | somebody ca help me ? |
| 01:21.58 | Stevie | don't we all |
| 01:22.15 | Stevie | Bac9: elaborate? |
| 01:22.19 | Stevie | what websites can't you load? |
| 01:22.21 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.30 | Stevie | you need to register |
| 01:22.38 | yoo | i can't mount my partition on the server since my client |
| 01:22.41 | Stevie | send $15 to: Stevie |
| 01:22.44 | Stevie | PO Box 113 |
| 01:23.05 | eeyore- | yoo: you forgot to run the required services |
| 01:23.05 | JaVaSan | what does "Out of the box" means ? |
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| 01:23.06 | Stevie | and you will receive a registration key in 6-8 days |
| 01:23.06 | Bac9 | Stevie: I see a SYN sent, SYN/ACK recieved, ACK sent, PSH sent (untill the browser finally gives up) |
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| 01:23.09 | yoo | eeyore-, portmap is OK |
| 01:23.16 | Stevie | JaVaSan: means without any (particularly involved) setup or configuration |
| 01:23.16 | eeyore- | yoo: portmap isn't the only one |
| 01:23.20 | Bac9 | Stevie: websites, e.g. /. |
| 01:23.41 | JaVaSan | Stevie, thankz.. |
| 01:23.41 | Bac9 | Stevie: e.g. mail.yahoo.com |
| 01:23.42 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.45 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.54 | yoo | 100005 2 udp 1013 mountd |
| 01:23.57 | yoo | on the client |
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| 01:24.35 | Stevie | Bac9: on B: ip link show eth1 |
| 01:24.35 | eeyore- | yoo: well, what about on the *server*? :-) |
| 01:24.36 | Stevie | it should say 'mtu xxxx' |
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| 01:24.53 | Stevie | what is xxxx? |
| 01:24.59 | Bac9 | Stevie: 1500 |
| 01:24.59 | ludwig | hallo! |
| 01:25.11 | yoo | eeyore-, sorry onthe server |
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| 01:25.13 | Bac9 | Stevie: tried setting it to 1492 and it didn't help |
| 01:25.16 | ludwig | I have a problem with a shell-script I use for backups ... |
| 01:25.17 | yoo | now, on the client : |
| 01:25.23 | Bac9 | Stevie: eth1 being B-C |
| 01:25.34 | yoo | 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper |
| 01:25.41 | yoo | 100024 1 tcp 785 status |
| 01:25.42 | Bac9 | Stevie: if I set mtu to 1492 for B-GW then B can browse websites |
| 01:25.46 | yoo | that all |
| 01:25.47 | jetscreamer | no yoo i'm not here |
| 01:25.53 | yoo | :) |
| 01:25.56 | yoo | oh jetscreamer |
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| 01:26.02 | Stevie | Bac9: what about the MTU on the B-GW link? |
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| 01:26.05 | yoo | hi guy ! |
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| 01:26.06 | Bac9 | Stevie: fyi the external internet link is 1492 |
| 01:26.13 | ludwig | The script works fine, but from time to time when running (cronjob) I get the following error: |
| 01:26.14 | unholy-crap | so uh |
| 01:26.17 | ludwig | /usr/local/backup/back.sh: line 35: 059: value too great for base (error token is "059") |
| 01:26.17 | jetscreamer | hey dude how ya doin |
| 01:26.17 | ludwig | 2 |
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| 01:26.20 | Stevie | Bac9: Sounds like a PPPoE setup |
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| 01:26.27 | Bac9 | Stevie: it is |
| 01:26.40 | ludwig | alternatively (another host), I get /usr/local/backup/back.sh: line 21: fdisk: command not found |
| 01:26.40 | eeyore- | yoo: on the client, /etc/init.d/nfs restart |
| 01:26.42 | yoo | i'm fine and you |
| 01:27.00 | ludwig | but the next night it works fine |
| 01:27.10 | jetscreamer | i'm not here, but other than that, ok |
| 01:27.10 | yoo | eeyore-, the same problem |
| 01:27.13 | Stevie | Bac9: Can you hit websites from B? |
| 01:27.18 | eeyore- | let me check my debian :-) |
| 01:27.18 | yoo | :) |
| 01:27.23 | yoo | oki |
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| 01:27.34 | Bac9 | Stevie: only if I set B-GW mtu to 1492 or below |
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| 01:27.39 | yoo | jetscreamer, where are you ? |
| 01:27.46 | jetscreamer | houston |
| 01:27.48 | Stevie | Bac9: Can you hit websites from GW? |
| 01:27.55 | eeyore- | yoo: well, i don't have debian with nfs :-) hmm, doesn't nfs on debian wants /etc/init.d/portmap, /etc/init.d/nfs-common or some such? check that directory |
| 01:27.56 | yoo | Yeah |
| 01:28.03 | Bac9 | Stevie: no browser there |
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| 01:28.07 | nicklas | is this: Mar 3 18:20:23 localhost -- MARK --, supposed to make a kernel completely crash without anything to do except reset the computer |
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| 01:28.10 | yoo | eeyore-, yes |
| 01:28.15 | Stevie | Bac9: lynx |
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| 01:28.37 | Bac9 | Stevie: nope, it's just a router/gateway |
| 01:28.39 | eeyore- | yoo: if you restart all the nfs client-related services you *should* be able to mount without "RPC program not registered", that's a classic |
| 01:28.44 | jetscreamer | i managed to force nfs to work once, a year ago. then never used it again and forgot everything about it |
| 01:28.44 | Stevie | Bac9: Have a whitelist (i.e. -P DROP) firewall setup? |
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| 01:29.01 | jetscreamer | you can do it yoo! |
| 01:29.02 | yoo | eeyore-, i know that but it's wrong |
| 01:29.06 | yoo | no ! |
| 01:29.10 | dvs | jetscreamer: force it? what's so hard about it? |
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| 01:29.21 | yoo | Everybody tell me it's a knew problem |
| 01:29.25 | Bac9 | Stevie: although telneting into port 80 of mail.yahoo.com works just fine |
| 01:29.27 | jetscreamer | dvs: think n00b |
| 01:29.31 | yoo | but nobody can solve my problem :) |
| 01:29.40 | jetscreamer | <-- that was a year ago or more |
| 01:29.42 | Stevie | Bac9: did you actually request a page, or just telnet to port 80? |
| 01:29.52 | Bac9 | Stevie: if it was a firewall setup then A would not be able to connect either |
| 01:29.52 | dvs | jetscreamer: Oh ok. I understand |
| 01:30.03 | Stevie | Bac9: That's not true. |
| 01:30.17 | yoo | eeyore-, jetscreamer , i restart portmap nfs-common, nfs-ser-server but my problem it's the same |
| 01:30.20 | Bac9 | Stevie: telnet mail.yahoo.com 80<CR>GET / HTTP/1.0<CR><CR> |
| 01:30.28 | Stevie | Bac9: And that works fine? |
| 01:30.31 | nicklas | anyone experienced total kernel crash randomly and systematically when a ssh remote connection timeouts ? |
| 01:30.34 | Bac9 | Stevie: yep |
| 01:30.34 | eeyore- | yoo: well, do this, "rpcinfo -p servername" |
| 01:30.37 | jetscreamer | yoo i really forgot everything |
| 01:30.55 | Stevie | Bac9: Do you have any iptables rules setup on B? |
| 01:31.01 | eeyore- | yoo: then "rpcinfo -p clientname", i assume that's what you used to get me the output right? |
| 01:31.26 | yoo | eeyore-, joi #flood |
| 01:31.32 | Bac9 | Stevie: yes, a full firewall |
| 01:31.37 | Stevie | Bac9: Aha. |
| 01:31.42 | Stevie | Bac9: Can you pastebin (rafb.net/paste) your iptables rules on B? |
| 01:31.56 | yoo | rpcinfo -p servername |
| 01:31.56 | yoo | 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper |
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| 01:32.04 | yoo | 100024 1 tcp 1001 status |
| 01:32.10 | Bac9 | Stevie: however if it was a firewall issue then why simply doing 'ip link set eth2 mtu 1492' all of a sudden alow me to browse internet? |
| 01:32.12 | yoo | 100003 2 tcp 2049 nfs |
| 01:32.13 | apacker | eeyore-, you there? |
| 01:32.20 | yoo | 100005 1 udp 1013 mountd |
| 01:32.28 | Stevie | Bac9: Please, just work with me here :) After all, I'm trying to work with you :) |
| 01:32.33 | Bac9 | Stevie: it's a long list of rules |
| 01:32.43 | eeyore- | yoo: wait one sec .. is the *server* actually exporting anything? ('exportfs -av') |
| 01:32.46 | Stevie | that's why I asked you to put it on rafb.net |
| 01:32.55 | Stevie | it's a paste site, you can put lots of text on there |
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| 01:33.17 | yoo | eeyore-, exportfs -av is a command shell ? |
| 01:33.29 | eeyore- | yoo: yeah, on the server, be root and type "exportfs -av" |
| 01:33.37 | Bac9 | Stevie: and I tried doing tcpdump on GW, A and B and they all show the same packets going through on all networks when C tries to access internet |
| 01:33.41 | yoo | simpson:~# exportfs -av |
| 01:33.41 | eeyore- | yoo: if there's no output then the server doesn't have anything to export :-) |
| 01:33.41 | yoo | bash: exportfs: command not found |
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| 01:34.07 | Stevie | Bac9: I'm pretty sure I know what's happening. |
| 01:34.17 | Bac9 | Stevie: if you want I can even do a tcpdump on C, that's why I am convinced it's not the firewall at fault |
| 01:34.18 | Stevie | do you have -P DROP on B's firewall? |
| 01:34.29 | Bac9 | Stevie: yes |
| 01:34.33 | Stevie | okay |
| 01:34.49 | Stevie | which chains have -P DROP ? |
| 01:34.51 | Bac9 | Stevie: I also have state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 01:35.15 | Bac9 | Stevie: -P DROP for INPUT/FORWARD/OUTPUT |
| 01:35.30 | eeyore- | yoo: you're root on the nfs server right? |
| 01:35.32 | Stevie | that's it? |
| 01:35.36 | yoo | eeyore-, don't yes |
| 01:35.41 | yoo | yes |
| 01:35.42 | eeyore- | yoo: "don't yes" |
| 01:35.43 | yoo | sorry |
| 01:35.47 | yoo | yes |
| 01:35.49 | yoo | sorry |
| 01:35.49 | Bac9 | Stevie: where else do you want DROP policy set? |
| 01:36.00 | eeyore- | yoo: then you forgot to install some packages :-) ask dpkg which package "exportfs" is part of |
| 01:36.03 | Stevie | I don't want it set anywhere else you haven't got it set already :) |
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| 01:36.12 | yoo | eeyore-, ok |
| 01:36.17 | yoo | i search |
| 01:36.19 | Bac9 | Stevie: or are you refering to state? that's the first line in INPUT/FORWARD tables |
| 01:36.25 | eeyore- | it's part of .... |
| 01:36.36 | eeyore- | of .... |
| 01:36.38 | apacker | eeyore-, /home/cvs/cvsroot contains folders: CVSROOT, Project1, Project2, etc... NEW project files copied to /home/brendon/Copy of Sandbox. How do I merge the "fresh" blank, empty folders on the cvs server with these local folders? Checkout a project... to some OTHER place? then apply diff to "one he's worked on" ? |
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| 01:36.47 | jetscreamer | !drumroll eeyore- |
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| 01:36.50 | eeyore- | apacker: one sec |
| 01:36.52 | jetscreamer | wtf? |
| 01:36.53 | blackula | I am new to debian. When I leave my debian box on for a few hrs (5 or 6) the screen blanks and a small green "D" blinks on the screen. I cant recover from this by trying to switch from tty1 to tty2 or anything including a three finger salute. Can anyone point me in the right direction to turn off the mode this might be going into? Thanks :-) |
| 01:36.56 | apacker | eeyore-, no prob |
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| 01:37.05 | eeyore- | apacker: trying to grok what you type |
| 01:37.17 | Stevie | Bac9: May I /msg you? |
| 01:37.20 | jetscreamer | that's a banna skin set of skins |
| 01:37.21 | nicklas | how come there is no kernel source for 2.6.8 in etch ?! |
| 01:37.25 | Bac9 | Stevie: sure go ahad |
| 01:37.25 | beardy | blackula: Check the cooling. |
| 01:37.34 | Stevie | blackula: I know that setting, give me a moment |
| 01:37.36 | jetscreamer | because it escaped the repository |
| 01:37.41 | jetscreamer | went rogue |
| 01:37.43 | eeyore- | apacker: does the cvs server have a somewhat-recent copy of the repository? |
| 01:37.57 | apacker | eeyore-, not currently, but I could do that. |
| 01:38.06 | Stevie | blackula: setterm -blank 0 |
| 01:38.10 | blackula | cooling ok. running an older machine for quite some time. Is the "D" related to "cooling"? |
| 01:38.11 | eeyore- | apacker: well, what does it have then? |
| 01:38.13 | nicklas | well this escape makes of etch a very unusable distro |
| 01:38.20 | apacker | eeyore-, I'd rather not, because those files seem to be broken in weird ass ways... it currently just has blank folders. |
| 01:38.26 | apacker | eeyore-, sorry, empty. |
| 01:38.29 | dvs | nicklas: because 2.6.8 ain't in etch anymore? |
| 01:38.32 | beardy | blackula: The cooling of your box, especially the processor. |
| 01:38.39 | eeyore- | apacker: don't you have backups from some days ago? |
| 01:38.42 | beardy | blackula: cooling/fans |
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| 01:38.54 | nicklas | dvs: and that 2.6.15 randomly crashes destroying my partition |
| 01:39.00 | apacker | eeyore-, yes, but they seem to be full of new lines. i cannot explain it. every where there should be one /n there are two |
| 01:39.08 | dvs | nicklas: What about 2.6.12? |
| 01:39.12 | beardy | blackula: Have you gotten that "D" more than one time? |
| 01:39.15 | nicklas | dvs: not available |
| 01:39.28 | eeyore- | apacker: the files in CVS repository aren't "plain" files, they have some cvs-ish stuffs inside |
| 01:39.31 | blackula | setterm... thanks Stevie.. |
| 01:39.34 | dvs | !info linux-image-2.6.12-386 etch |
| 01:39.36 | yoo | eeyore-, the commands exportfs work at home ? |
| 01:39.54 | eeyore- | apacker: you're talking about "*,v" files, right? |
| 01:39.55 | apacker | eeyore-, oh yeah, of course. but if i copy the entire repository to the new server, when I get the files via cvs they should be... THE files! |
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| 01:40.04 | blackula | I have gotten the "D" about three times now. If I leave my system on over night or while at work.. |
| 01:40.05 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS!! |
| 01:40.10 | Bac9 | Stevie: sorry freenode will not allow me to reply to your /msg, /j #Steve |
| 01:40.17 | dvs | yonkeltron: the language!!! |
| 01:40.30 | eeyore- | apacker: hmm that. that *might* just be cvs doing the CRLF translation thing |
| 01:40.33 | apacker | eeyore-, no. when I checkout the files, I get the original files,e.g. DaqViewer.m (With NO .v) its just that the file got FUCKED UP. has extra new lines! no good reason |
| 01:40.42 | beardy | blackula: Is it reachable from the network, as in ssh:ing in to it? |
| 01:40.49 | eeyore- | apacker: did someone touch the CVS repository with wincvs client *without* setting the "check files out with UNIX LF"? |
| 01:40.53 | apacker | eeyore-, it seems to only occur with some files, which makes even less sense |
| 01:41.10 | Stevie | this is why subversion rules |
| 01:41.13 | eeyore- | apacker: i'll bet you some moron check stuffs out and in without checking the [x] use UNIX LF |
| 01:41.14 | apacker | eeyore-, isnt that the default setting? |
| 01:41.17 | eeyore- | apacker: no |
| 01:41.21 | eeyore- | apacker: defaults to "off" |
| 01:41.22 | apacker | eeyore-, death! |
| 01:41.28 | blackula | I'm on a router that blocks ports incoming |
| 01:41.42 | eeyore- | apacker: so i'll bet the repository isn't "fucked" per se, just some files are suboptimal-looking |
| 01:41.48 | Stevie | blackula: There are means to bypass such a thing. |
| 01:41.49 | apacker | eeyore-, I contemplated writing a perl script to fix this but thought that the importing the good stuff would be a better fix |
| 01:41.55 | Stevie | I love ssh -R |
| 01:42.06 | apacker | eeyore-, right, is there anyway to un-suboptimize them ? :) |
| 01:42.08 | beardy | blackula: And you haven't got another machine on that network? |
| 01:42.16 | eeyore- | apacker: nah, i would just ... just tell the client to check out with UNIX LF *first*, then confirm the checked out result :-) |
| 01:42.25 | yoo | eeyore-, |
| 01:42.28 | eeyore- | apacker: we're still taling wincvs right? |
| 01:42.32 | blackula | My girlfriends windows box is on the network. |
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| 01:42.57 | apacker | eeyore-, well, yes, but I have used tCVS ... |
| 01:43.24 | yoo | apt-get install nfs-kernel-server |
| 01:43.34 | beardy | blackula: Get putty. |
| 01:43.36 | beardy | !putty |
| 01:43.36 | dpkg | i guess putty is a DFSG-free ssh/telnet/rsh client for Windows and Linux. It is small, simple, and has no install nonsense. Available at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ |
| 01:43.46 | apacker | eeyore-, im not seeing options in tCVS that I may have screwed... |
| 01:43.51 | blackula | I doubt someone is sshing onto my computer.. could be but my passwd is very good.. |
| 01:44.05 | eeyore- | apacker: i don't think you'll have to worry too much about the double-linefeeds |
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| 01:44.17 | eeyore- | apacker: just *hope* the repository is "mostly OK". this is what i would do, ready? |
| 01:44.21 | beardy | blackula: No, I meant that you sholuld ssh to it, to see if it's responding. |
| 01:44.24 | apacker | eeyore-, uh, how so? matlab files do not run if extra lines are inserted |
| 01:44.26 | andriijas | how do you run a script as MOTD? |
| 01:44.32 | eeyore- | apacker: first, make a copy of the repository :-))))) to guard against future screwups |
| 01:44.33 | blackula | ahhh.. :-) |
| 01:44.37 | blackula | good idea.. |
| 01:45.00 | eeyore- | apacker: then once you have a copy tucked away somewhere, you can make this repository available via cvs |
| 01:45.08 | apacker | eeyore-, so the initial backed up repo may be ok is what you are saying... and i could just copy the shit straight up ... hm.... could tCVS not understand this new line crap ? |
| 01:45.18 | yoo | eeyore-, now with this package it's ok ! |
| 01:45.21 | eeyore- | apacker: sorry, wife is downstairs. have to go pickup my jeep now before dealer closes |
| 01:45.23 | blackula | I had vmware on her windows box before, but I dont think its installed on there anymore.. I guess I could telnet over.. |
| 01:45.24 | apacker | eeyore-, i have many copies of the repo |
| 01:45.26 | yoo | thanks |
| 01:45.34 | apacker | eeyore-, ill look around tCVS thanks for all the help |
| 01:45.35 | eeyore- | apacker: will come back online in 1 hour or so, later. |
| 01:45.41 | apacker | eeyore-, awesome, thanks! |
| 01:45.41 | beardy | !tell blakkino -about putty |
| 01:45.55 | beardy | blackula: I told you above, perhaps you missed it. |
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| 01:46.24 | beardy | fsck.. |
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| 01:46.42 | beardy | !tell blackula -about putty |
| 01:47.03 | nicklas | what if i take 2.6.8 or higher from sarge ?, if im with etch ? |
| 01:47.11 | nicklas | is that ok ? |
| 01:47.23 | beardy | blakkino: Sorry, nick completion error. |
| 01:47.23 | blackula | I'll check it out. |
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| 01:52.40 | JaVaSan | how can i keep all files in a directory readable for all users? if a put any file there, i want that any user can read it.. |
| 01:53.20 | blackula | chmod |
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| 01:54.54 | nvz | blackula: umode actually |
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| 01:55.08 | nvz | chmod changes existing files he wants files created to be that way |
| 01:55.10 | blackula | ahh ok :-) |
| 01:55.29 | nvz | the question could have been stated more clearly, but you could have read it all too :P |
| 01:55.30 | sanxiyn | Have someone contributed to http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Debian here? |
| 01:55.46 | blackula | heh heh .. :-) true.. |
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| 01:55.53 | sanxiyn | It's fun to read as-is, but it could benefit a lot from domain expertise I think. |
| 01:55.57 | blackula | details slip by me sometimes... :-) |
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| 01:57.09 | nvz | actually the word I wanted was umask |
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| 01:57.33 | nvz | JaVaSan: globally its set in /etc/profile per user ~/.profile |
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| 01:57.47 | nvz | JaVaSan: umask covers the mode of files created under each user |
| 01:57.52 | nicklas | anyone as an opinion on that CFQ io scheduler ? |
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| 01:59.27 | nicklas | and on Voluntary Kernel Preemption (Desktop) |
| 01:59.37 | nvz | not sure where the documentation for that is might be in chmod manpage |
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| 02:00.48 | pugzilla117 | who knows how to get around pwerd in ubuntu? |
| 02:01.23 | nicklas | pugzilla117: see topic |
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| 02:04.34 | llama32 | anyone know of a programming language/compiler other than lisp, Java and .NET languages that is 1) relatively fast (not interpreted) 2) garbage collected 3) object oriented and 4) relatively safe, with exceptions and such? modula-3 and the oberon family seem perfect but i cannot get any implementations running |
| 02:05.24 | AeroSpace | llama32: Does python do garbage collection? |
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| 02:05.31 | JaVaSan | c# ? |
| 02:05.40 | sanxiyn | AeroSpace: Sure. |
| 02:05.46 | sanxiyn | JaVaSan: That's .NET? |
| 02:06.01 | JaVaSan | opz... sorry.. thats true... .NET :S |
| 02:06.31 | sanxiyn | llama32: OCaml comes to mind. |
| 02:07.07 | sanxiyn | 1) Very fast. (at worst 2x of C) 2) GC, sure 3) OO 4) Extremely type safe |
| 02:07.24 | sanxiyn | llama32: apt-get install ocaml to take a look. |
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| 02:07.41 | llama32 | AeroSpace: yes but it is alo interpreted |
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| 02:09.30 | llama32 | sanxiyn: i have used ocaml before and didnt much like it (far to big - appears to be 20+ years of added features, took a long time to learn what i have been able to learn in an afternoon with Python, Java, etc.) |
| 02:09.48 | sanxiyn | llama32: Well, it fits all your requirements, no? |
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| 02:10.47 | llama32 | sanxiyn: well yes but i dont like it :) i will have another look at it though |
| 02:11.36 | sproingie | dozens of languages meet that criterion |
| 02:12.14 | sanxiyn | sproingie: I'd like to hear. |
| 02:12.19 | AeroSpace | llama32: What's the dislike of Java? |
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| 02:13.11 | sanxiyn | AeroSpace: Looking at alternatives is often worthwhile? |
| 02:13.22 | sproingie | just mine the archives of plnewa |
| 02:13.24 | sproingie | plnews |
| 02:13.28 | twisted` | ey, I've downloaded "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 "Sarge" - Official i386 Binary-1", but it fails to retrieve ethdetect from the dvd, is this a known issue? |
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| 02:13.50 | sproingie | smarteiffel is supposed to be awesome fast, but ... it's eiffel |
| 02:14.01 | sproingie | digital mars D is C++ done right |
| 02:14.04 | llama32 | AeroSpace: i have 256mb of ram, and when running Java applications i get a lot of swappage. might just be a generalization (and other garbage collected languages might be similar) but Java seems to eat up a lot of ram compared to Mono (though Java as a language - i like) |
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| 02:14.52 | sproingie | ruby, io, lua, pike, heron, javacript, qu ... |
| 02:15.53 | foo | Any ideas how I would go about blocking an IP address from accessing my samba mounts? I set this in the [global] config .. interfaces = 192.168.0.0/28 ... it should only allow IP addresses 192.168.0.1-15 ... but it doesn't work. Any ideas? |
| 02:15.53 | sproingie | llama32: funny, java the platform i don't mind, it's java the language i hate |
| 02:15.53 | lpb-oberon | foo: use iptables |
| 02:15.53 | sanxiyn | sproingie: Same here. |
| 02:15.53 | lpb-oberon | www.netfilter.org |
| 02:15.57 | foo | lpb-oberon: hmm, I can do it with iptables? Nice. |
| 02:16.09 | AeroSpace | llama32: I'll agree with that. Java seems to want to live with everything in ram. The garbage collector should be a lot better tuned. Something like if not more than X allocations don't run. |
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| 02:16.21 | sanxiyn | sproingie: AFAIK Ruby, Io, Lua are interpreted. Not that it matters for me. |
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| 02:16.38 | aidan | how do I disable the on-login mailcheck? |
| 02:16.45 | sanxiyn | They definitely aren't speed demon. |
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| 02:17.08 | sproingie | lua and io are reasonably fast |
| 02:17.17 | AeroSpace | sproingie: The sandbox model is a nice idea. |
| 02:17.39 | llama32 | sproingie: well i generally dont like C-syntax languages (i actually prefer Lisp but i dont like other aspects of it) but Java is fairly simple, mostly OO, etc. |
| 02:18.16 | sproingie | llama32: if java ever grew type inference and first-class functions, i might consider it |
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| 02:18.44 | sanxiyn | llama32: ExtremelyLongTypeNameIDontWantToType = new ExtremelyLongTypeNameIDontWantToType(argument); is simply stupid. |
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| 02:18.59 | sanxiyn | Why o why, at the very least local type inference? |
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| 02:19.39 | llama32 | sanxiyn: yeah i agree with that, i much prefer obj-c/smalltalk way: pepsi = [classname new] |
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| 02:19.42 | sproingie | type inference wouldn't even require a change to the vm. just a compiler that isn't dumb as a box of rocks |
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| 02:20.15 | devin_ | i need help installing a new kernel . . |
| 02:20.23 | bowman | Hi - I'm remotely upgrading a server from sarge to testing, and I'm facing some trouble with the package x11-common - it can't overwrite /etc/X11/XSession (which isn't even there) - any help? |
| 02:20.32 | sanxiyn | llama32: Inner class is servicable but still annoying. |
| 02:21.13 | sproingie | i'd let all of java's annoyances stand forever if they would at least give me macros |
| 02:21.18 | beardy | bowman: 1) Why are you (trying to) run etch on a server? 2) Why are you running X on a server? |
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| 02:22.18 | asg | sproingie: use m4 |
| 02:22.26 | bowman | beardy, I didn't install X on it, it was already there (pre-installed image), @1) I need php5, mysql5 |
| 02:22.29 | petemc | beardy: x11-common is pulled in with other apps |
| 02:22.44 | sproingie | asg: m4 is so not a real macro facility |
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| 02:22.55 | dli | my wvdial doesn't dial out? any wvdial user? |
| 02:23.01 | asg | sproingie: then find a real one |
| 02:23.14 | sproingie | asg: i have, it's called nemerle, and it's a .net language |
| 02:23.16 | anubis_EO | goodnight |
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| 02:23.51 | asg | sproingie: and does nemerle have its own channel? |
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| 02:24.27 | nortonisterrible | stopspy |
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| 02:24.53 | sproingie | freenode not auto-banning these clowns yet? |
| 02:25.05 | bowman | so, how can I resolve the problem with that x11 package? anyone? :) |
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| 02:25.23 | petemc | bowman: did you check the bgts? |
| 02:25.27 | petemc | gah, bts |
| 02:25.28 | asg | petemc: hah |
| 02:25.34 | petemc | :) |
| 02:25.41 | bowman | petemc, will do right away :-) |
| 02:26.04 | petemc | thats the spirit |
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| 02:29.30 | bowman | ah, got it |
| 02:31.16 | twisted` | how can I finish a debian installation when the eth0 keeps hanging during the boot? |
| 02:31.31 | twisted` | network works on the boot cd, probably will work through knoppix or something |
| 02:31.40 | Flimzy | twisted`: Define 'hanging' |
| 02:31.53 | twisted` | Flimzy: it sticks on eth0: |
| 02:32.07 | Flimzy | twisted`: define 'sticks' |
| 02:32.08 | twisted` | Flimzy: I first thought it was dhcp, but after 20 min still no error message or whatever |
| 02:32.08 | beardy | twisted`: How long have you waited? |
| 02:32.14 | petemc | sticks, much clearer |
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| 02:32.53 | twisted` | I tried reinstalling, didn't really work |
| 02:33.07 | petemc | twisted`: did you try hittin control c ? |
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| 02:33.15 | twisted` | petemc: yep, keyboard stops reacting |
| 02:33.36 | twisted` | petemc: only way to exit it was to reset it manually |
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| 02:34.15 | Flimzy | twisted`: what nic do you have? |
| 02:34.23 | twisted` | petemc: this was from the Netinst install, I downloaded the official debian dvd, but that fails to retrieve ethdetect during installing, so it fails too |
| 02:34.24 | beardy | twisted`: Do you have another nic you could try with? |
| 02:34.37 | twisted` | v |
| 02:34.46 | twisted` | Flimzy: let me check for the NIC |
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| 02:34.55 | twisted` | Flimzy: it's a pc of a friend of mine... |
| 02:35.05 | twisted` | beardy: nope, no other nics here unfortuanly |
| 02:36.07 | twisted` | Flimzy: nic is: Intel 21041-Based PCI Ethernet Adapter (Generic) |
| 02:36.16 | twisted` | Flimzy: that's the only thing Windows is able to tell me, sigh... |
| 02:36.23 | Flimzy | twisted`: Try another nic |
| 02:36.31 | twisted` | Flimzy: not available |
| 02:36.39 | beardy | twisted`: get one |
| 02:36.48 | twisted` | Flimzy: what bugs me is that the netinst cd is able to connect to the internet |
| 02:36.49 | Flimzy | twisted`: Well then I guess the only thing left to do is jump off a bridge. |
| 02:37.00 | petemc | twisted`: you could try some of the sarge installers with more recent kernels |
| 02:37.29 | twisted` | petemc: the netinst was the latest sarge release |
| 02:37.40 | petemc | !+sarge 2.6.15 |
| 02:37.40 | dpkg | somebody said sarge 2.6.15 was http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm |
| 02:37.45 | twisted` | Flimzy: probably throw this pc off a bridge :P lol |
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| 02:39.00 | twisted` | petemc: downloading |
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| 02:41.04 | twisted` | petemc: hmm, 35kB/s, will take some time |
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| 02:41.17 | apacker | eeyore-, don't know if you will see this if/when you come back, but you were RIGHT! tortoise cvs tries to autodetect the file type... and FAILED. changing the default file type to UNIX fixed my double line endings!!! |
| 02:41.22 | apacker | adios all |
| 02:42.17 | lexan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.17 | lexan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.08 | sproingie | Norton? |
| 02:43.20 | lexan_ | uhmm. there no norton on linux foo |
| 02:43.25 | lexan_ | and i wouldnt even install that on windows |
| 02:43.35 | abrotman | your ISP? |
| 02:43.39 | freeone3000 | Router? |
| 02:43.40 | lexan_ | maybe |
| 02:43.44 | bucky | startkeylogger |
| 02:43.45 | freeone3000 | Wait, no, that would only be incoming. |
| 02:43.48 | beardy | lexan_: Some filter between you and the server you are trying to connect to, perhaps? What isp/kind of connection? |
| 02:43.50 | abrotman | though .. you got here :) |
| 02:43.51 | petemc | lexan_: tcpdump or ethereal |
| 02:43.58 | lexan_ | hmm |
| 02:44.06 | lexan_ | right. when i try to use irssi |
| 02:44.09 | lexan_ | it says no route |
| 02:44.15 | lexan_ | but i can connect to a irc server with ssl |
| 02:44.22 | lexan_ | using port 7000 |
| 02:44.44 | lexan_ | i gotta a virtual dedicated server from godaddy |
| 02:44.54 | abrotman | can you telnet to the host on port 6667? |
| 02:45.01 | asg | abrotman: beardy is young and full of vigor |
| 02:45.09 | lexan_ | yes. |
| 02:45.12 | lexan_ | says no route |
| 02:45.14 | petemc | lexan_: check their terms and conditions, see if they block irc |
| 02:45.23 | lexan_ | petemc : good idea |
| 02:45.34 | lexan_ | thx |
| 02:45.36 | petemc | lexan_: the no route thing is odd tho |
| 02:45.45 | lexan_ | yeah. everything else works fine |
| 02:46.12 | juice` | does anyone remember packet name for installing x windows system? |
| 02:46.18 | Dark_CMX | Can anyone tell me how to upload mods the correct way? Everytime I try and do so, I can never get the to work. Thank you. |
| 02:46.20 | beardy | !install x |
| 02:46.20 | dpkg | install xf4 is probably apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 02:46.23 | abrotman | x-window-system or x-window-system-core |
| 02:46.30 | juice` | there were two, one was base and the other one was full.. |
| 02:46.38 | petemc | lexan_: telnet 213.92.8.4 6667 , from the godaddy box |
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| 02:47.03 | juice` | i know i could just install package by package, but there was one name which was installing all files needed to run X Windows |
| 02:47.29 | abrotman | x-window-system or x-window-system-core |
| 02:47.29 | beardy | juice`: x-window-system |
| 02:47.51 | juice` | thank you. somehow i couldnt find it with apt-cache search |
| 02:47.57 | misantroph | wee |
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| 02:48.23 | beardy | juice`: Perhaps you searched with "x-windows-foo", x-window, it is, no s. |
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| 02:49.51 | beardy | juice`: try 'aptitude', search with / |
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| 02:50.08 | aboyousif | hi, i have a problem that i can access my partitions but can't write on it .. its owner is root and the group is root tried to change them using chown or chgrp but invain i added user,rw to fstab but in vain as well what should i do ? |
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| 02:50.40 | Dark_CMX | How about this, can anyone direct me to the right channel where I could ask for this kind of help. If so, thank you. |
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| 02:50.46 | abrotman | aboyousif: how aobut mount options and your username |
| 02:51.11 | aboyousif | abrotman, don't know how to do that |
| 02:51.13 | asg | Dark_CMX: well, if we knew what 'mod' you are having a problem uploading, we might be able to |
| 02:51.21 | abrotman | aboyousif: how did you mount the partition? |
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| 02:51.35 | petemc | Dark_CMX: what exactly does "uploading modes" entail? |
| 02:51.38 | aboyousif | it is in fstab |
| 02:51.44 | petemc | mods |
| 02:51.46 | Flimzy | aboyousif: What filesystem? |
| 02:51.46 | aboyousif | abrotman, |
| 02:51.56 | aboyousif | fat32 |
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| 02:52.07 | asg | !vfatrw |
| 02:52.07 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 02:52.08 | abrotman | aboyousif: ok ... paste the line from fstab .. also check /etc/mtab .. |
| 02:52.23 | Dark_CMX | Hmmm, all of them. Oh and by mods I mean, shop, extra security features, etc. |
| 02:52.26 | sproingie | woodamn, this is why i love debian. i install nemerle, then emacs, and the emacs install causes the nemerle package to install its emacs mode |
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| 02:52.53 | petemc | Dark_CMX: that doesnt make it much clearer, is this some web app, or what? |
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| 02:53.09 | aboyousif | /dev/hda1 /win/windows vfat defaults,user,rw,iocharset=utf8 0 2 |
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| 02:53.26 | abrotman | aboyousif: and from /etc/mtab ? |
| 02:53.49 | Dark_CMX | It's for the phpbb forums. I'm trying to upload hacks or mods. Like shop, lottery, arcade, etc. |
| 02:53.51 | ma3x | abrotman, isn't it late? |
| 02:53.54 | aboyousif | /dev/hda1 /win/windows vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,iocharset=utf8 0 0 |
| 02:53.58 | tuxuser19 | i have a problem in loading my KDE desktop system. it takes ages to load.the system boots fine but when it comes to loading KDE it takes 10min to load |
| 02:53.59 | abrotman | ma3x: for what> |
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| 02:54.28 | tuxuser19 | any clue whats the problem? how to remove KDE and install the latest from command prompt |
| 02:54.32 | abrotman | aboyousif: can you write to it as root ? |
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| 02:54.39 | ma3x | abrotman, for chat? isn't it time to sleep? |
| 02:54.43 | abrotman | tuxuser19: kde is bloated :) |
| 02:54.44 | aboyousif | abrotman, yes |
| 02:54.48 | abrotman | ma3x: it's 10pm here |
| 02:55.00 | abrotman | aboyousif: what are the perms on the mount point? |
| 02:55.07 | abrotman | on /win/windows? |
| 02:55.30 | ma3x | abrotman, I thought you're in germany |
| 02:55.38 | asg | ma3x: haha |
| 02:55.44 | abrotman | Dark_CMX: please don't do that |
| 02:55.49 | ma3x | asg what's so funny? |
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| 02:56.01 | abrotman | ma3x: i'm so german it's not funn |
| 02:56.02 | abrotman | y |
| 02:56.14 | aboyousif | abrotman, it is all checked except write for both group and other |
| 02:56.21 | abrotman | Dark_CMX: try #phpbb |
| 02:56.23 | asg | ma3x: abrotman from Germany ... haha |
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| 02:56.37 | aboyousif | abrotman, the owner and group are both root |
| 02:56.40 | abrotman | aboyousif: uhm .. that kind of matters :) |
| 02:56.41 | petemc | aboyousif: as er the above factoid, you need to add some stuff to fstab |
| 02:56.45 | petemc | s/er/per/ |
| 02:56.46 | Dark_CMX | Thank you. |
| 02:56.58 | ma3x | well isn't abrotman german? he confirmed it even |
| 02:57.04 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 02:57.20 | aboyousif | abrotman, nice bot :D |
| 02:57.31 | asg | abrotman, who owns you? |
| 02:57.35 | tuxuser19 | abrotman then whats the solution to my KDE prob ? |
| 02:57.36 | abrotman | ma3x: apparently my name implies i'm german .. which is not the case .. and afaik.. noone in my family is |
| 02:57.43 | aboyousif | petemc, what kind should i add to fstab ? |
| 02:57.44 | abrotman | asg: your momma! |
| 02:57.56 | abrotman | tuxuser19: are you on sid ? |
| 02:57.56 | petemc | !tell aboyousif about vfatrw |
| 02:57.59 | asg | abrotman: the helixthatshallnotbenamed? |
| 02:58.14 | tuxuser19 | abrotman: nope im on debain sarge 3.1 |
| 02:58.17 | abrotman | asg: uhm .. no .. |
| 02:58.23 | abrotman | tuxuser19: are you on a 386? |
| 02:58.36 | abrotman | asg: and i bet you just dinged her :) |
| 02:58.46 | helix | I am asg's mother |
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| 02:58.50 | asg | abrotman: I hope not, I was ... bah |
| 02:58.52 | helix | damn |
| 02:58.54 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:58.55 | helix | I should've said |
| 02:58.57 | helix | asg: I am your mother |
| 02:59.00 | tuxuser19 | im on Pentium-ii 333 |
| 02:59.02 | helix | so much geekier! |
| 02:59.03 | asg | helix: I didn't think you were highlighting on non-boundaries |
| 02:59.10 | helix | I hilight on everything, yo |
| 02:59.15 | helix | I need a lot of attention |
| 02:59.18 | asg | helix: you are the one :) |
| 02:59.21 | helix | when I'm lonely I hilight on 'the' |
| 02:59.26 | ke6isf | !win helix |
| 02:59.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, helix! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
| 02:59.29 | ma3x | abrotman, but why is it 10pm there, where you at? america is always backwards max 9 hours, no? |
| 02:59.36 | helix | not dubai? :( |
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| 03:00.13 | abrotman | ma3x: uhm .. i'm like you .. +8 or something like that |
| 03:00.21 | abrotman | erm .. -8 |
| 03:00.25 | tuxuser19 | abrotman: p2 333 |
| 03:00.30 | ma3x | abrotman, I'm +1 |
| 03:00.30 | petemc | -5 , no? |
| 03:00.41 | petemc | -8 is west coast |
| 03:00.44 | abrotman | tuxuser19: it shouldn't be acting like that slow |
| 03:00.46 | beardy | abrotman: aren't you -6? |
| 03:00.59 | abrotman | petemc: i'm -5 .. he's .ch .. i assume he's +3 ? |
| 03:01.00 | asg | beardy: he's cakebutt |
| 03:01.06 | tuxuser19 | abrotman: how to remove KDE and install it again |
| 03:01.11 | petemc | abrotman: ah right, dunno |
| 03:01.12 | beardy | asg: yeah |
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| 03:01.16 | asg | tuxuser19: /msg dpkg remove kde ; /msg dpkg install kde |
| 03:01.16 | abrotman | !remove kde |
| 03:01.16 | dpkg | somebody said remove kde was apt-get --purge remove kdelibs (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 03:01.22 | abrotman | Dark_CMX: please don't msg me |
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| 03:01.38 | abrotman | petemc: i'm EST |
| 03:01.43 | Dark_CMX | Fine, don't get angry at me. |
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| 03:01.48 | twobitsprite | !bts |
| 03:01.49 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 03:01.49 | petemc | abrotman: this i knew |
| 03:01.59 | beardy | Dark_CMX: People gets angry if you upset them. |
| 03:02.24 | abrotman | petemc: oh .. like you've ever been to EST .. certainly not in jersey .. at the beach .. in the summer with young girls! |
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| 03:02.29 | Dark_CMX | Well, I wasn't trying to, just wanted to ask him something. |
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| 03:02.36 | abrotman | Dark_CMX: i'm not angry .. |
| 03:02.43 | abrotman | Dark_CMX: you can ask here |
| 03:02.46 | beardy | Dark_CMX: Do it here, in channel. |
| 03:02.55 | abrotman | Dark_CMX: i just don't use phpbb .. |
| 03:02.55 | aboyousif | not it works well , thank you guys you were helpful |
| 03:03.00 | aboyousif | now* |
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| 03:03.03 | abrotman | who? |
| 03:03.08 | abrotman | asg: did you help!?!? |
| 03:03.17 | abrotman | god damn asg .. always being helpful! |
| 03:03.30 | aboyousif | abrotman, you are the leader of the helpers ya man |
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| 03:03.45 | abrotman | aboyousif: don't tell anyone |
| 03:03.54 | Dark_CMX | Well, that's pretty much all you had say. I would've been gone in a heart beat and awayfrom annoying you. Once again, sorry. |
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| 03:04.03 | aboyousif | abrotman, i'm now thinkg of doing a package called abrotman help kit :D |
| 03:04.20 | abrotman | Dark_CMX: you're not annoying .. i just don't know anything about phpbb .. sorry |
| 03:04.36 | abrotman | aboyousif: does it depend on beer 1.42? |
| 03:04.41 | petemc | abrotman: heh :) |
| 03:04.46 | Dark_CMX | OK, well, then I'm as good as gone. |
| 03:05.13 | aboyousif | abrotman, i don't drink alcoholic :D |
| 03:05.14 | centrx | please stay |
| 03:05.19 | abrotman | aboyousif: but i do! |
| 03:05.19 | beardy | Dark_CMX: Just ask? |
| 03:05.48 | petemc | Dark_CMX: how are you uploading the files, in what way are they not working? |
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| 03:06.12 | abrotman | can you actually upload files with phpbb ? or just modules? |
| 03:06.22 | beardy | oh, he had, sort of |
| 03:06.38 | grelli | is there a way to specify what kernel to use doing an expert sarge install? |
| 03:06.38 | petemc | theres a ftp mod for phpbb, it hink |
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| 03:06.49 | abrotman | grelli: you mean beyond 2.6 or 2.4? |
| 03:07.08 | petemc | :) |
| 03:07.15 | petemc | its late.. |
| 03:07.16 | asg | abrotman: sorry, was getting provisions, what did I miss? |
| 03:07.18 | abrotman | petemc: want a cheesesteak ? |
| 03:07.20 | grelli | abrotman: in this case, if I load the 386 kernel this machine loads fine, but the k7 kernels have issues with the 3ware driver |
| 03:07.30 | abrotman | asg: i have no idea .. but somehow . i'm easily annoyed |
| 03:07.31 | petemc | abrotman: i had a kebab earlier, cheers tho |
| 03:07.44 | grelli | abrotman: so I want to tell it to load the 386 kernel |
| 03:07.45 | petemc | abrotman: where kebab == gyro, in your crazy language |
| 03:07.48 | abrotman | petemc: you know the cheesesteak is better :) |
| 03:07.53 | abrotman | petemc: i know what a kebab is |
| 03:07.55 | Dark_CMX | Well, let me see, I upload them to my server and I still can't access them or instal them. Are they supposed to be in .php format? |
| 03:07.56 | petemc | :) |
| 03:07.57 | Daveman | sup abrotman |
| 03:07.58 | beardy | grelli: check F1 - F7 at the boot prompt. expert26 probably, IIRC |
| 03:08.00 | abrotman | hi dave-az |
| 03:08.03 | abrotman | and Daveman |
| 03:08.13 | asg | abrotman: so it seems. I don't think I helped anyone since they usually thank me. This puts me high on kingsley's list which is ironic. |
| 03:08.16 | abrotman | grelli: afaik .. that's the default |
| 03:08.24 | abrotman | asg: thanks for that |
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| 03:08.48 | Daveman | haha |
| 03:08.56 | grelli | abrotman: It seems to autodetect the athlon and install the k7 kernel... but that was expert26 last time round |
| 03:09.08 | grelli | running a expert install so I guess I'll find out |
| 03:09.12 | abrotman | grelli: odd .. though i rarely use the expert mode |
| 03:09.32 | grelli | this is the only machine I use it on |
| 03:10.39 | grelli | the last time was over a year ago, after spending a month figuring out why it would panic on boot |
| 03:10.44 | Daveman | what's the latest? |
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| 03:11.06 | beered | !tell beered ipw2200 |
| 03:11.14 | beardy | !selftell |
| 03:11.16 | asg | beered: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 03:11.20 | beered | thanks. |
| 03:11.43 | abrotman | Daveman: cows make milk .. shocking i know .. film at 11 |
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| 03:11.50 | beered | ok, I msg dpkg and no reply. |
| 03:11.54 | abrotman | Daveman: oh yeah .. and jersey sucks! |
| 03:11.58 | asg | beered: if that isn't right, /msg dpkg listkeys <keywords> ; /msg dpkg listvals <keywords> |
| 03:12.03 | abrotman | !tell beered about ipw2200 |
| 03:12.11 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 03:12.15 | abrotman | bah . dpkg is dead |
| 03:12.20 | abrotman | or catching up |
| 03:12.25 | asg | ~ipw2200 |
| 03:12.32 | apt | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-source-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to ... |
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| 03:12.36 | asg | beered: ^^ |
| 03:12.42 | beered | nice :) |
| 03:12.46 | abrotman | go to #ipw2100 or #ipw2200 |
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| 03:12.49 | Bl4ckH4t | Hi |
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| 03:13.06 | beered | abrotman: nah, I have ipw2200 working. WPA2 too. Its cool. |
| 03:13.10 | bushito | how can i make linux support long names of DOS in a dvd?? |
| 03:13.37 | beardy | bushito: WHen burning? Using what? |
| 03:13.41 | sixtymhz | Whats the best way to backup/restore mysql databases? |
| 03:13.43 | asg | abrotman: last time I was in Jersey, I had an Oktoberfest that tasted like an amalgam of pumpkin and sweaty feet. |
| 03:13.54 | asg | sixtymhz: mysqldump |
| 03:14.02 | abrotman | asg: did you have two? |
| 03:14.03 | bushito | beardy the dvd was burned in windows easy cd creator |
| 03:14.09 | abrotman | sixtymhz: ask #mysql |
| 03:14.35 | asg | abrotman: I had a whole case, albeit over a 2 day period. |
| 03:14.40 | abrotman | ew |
| 03:14.43 | beardy | bushito: If the filenames are messed up, it was burnt incorrectly. |
| 03:15.01 | asg | abrotman: it was better than the other crap that was being served. |
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| 03:15.19 | abrotman | asg: miller? |
| 03:15.22 | bushito | beardy i can watch the videos only that the names are wierd like when you got a long name in DOS, how can i make debian to interprate this? |
| 03:15.26 | grelli | abrotman: regular expert install let me choose |
| 03:15.32 | asg | abrotman: no, assorted soft drinks and tea |
| 03:15.35 | drc | what do you recommend for use, apt-get or aptitude? |
| 03:15.38 | abrotman | ick ick |
| 03:15.44 | abrotman | drc: use what yu're comfortable with |
| 03:15.49 | beered | abrotman: that's ipw2200 how-to is missing a step. The second step should be "m-a -f get ipw2200-source ieee80211" |
| 03:16.00 | beardy | bushito: Burn it with the correct iso9660 options. |
| 03:16.05 | Bl4ckH4t | hm.. i just got a little question.. ok i think it's not debian specific but it's just a little linux question answered in about 3 words i think :) what is the correct kernel for a AMD Sempron 64 3000+? |
| 03:16.17 | beardy | bushito: joliet and so on |
| 03:16.20 | drc | abrotman: but both will work just fine? aslong as you don't use both? |
| 03:16.32 | abrotman | Bl4ckH4t: that clearly depends on your distro |
| 03:16.47 | Bl4ckH4t | abrotman: Debian 32bit |
| 03:16.48 | abrotman | drc: i think you can use both .. but i personally don't |
| 03:17.04 | abrotman | Bl4ckH4t: apt-cache search k8 .. or amd65 |
| 03:17.06 | abrotman | amd64 |
| 03:17.21 | Bl4ckH4t | abrotman: big thx |
| 03:17.33 | drc | well I heard that aptitude doesn't work well with any other package manager, and I personally would like to switch back to apt-get, it seems faster and so on |
| 03:17.43 | beered | abrotman: and "m-a a-i ipw2200" should be replaced with "m-a a-i ipw2200 ieee80211" |
| 03:17.45 | drc | I thought that you were meant to use aptitude since 3.1 |
| 03:17.45 | Bac9 | Stevie: thanx |
| 03:17.49 | Stevie | np |
| 03:17.51 | beardy | drc: what's stopping you? |
| 03:17.55 | abrotman | beered: didn't i change that for you last week? |
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| 03:18.06 | Bac9 | Stevie: so what episode #? |
| 03:18.08 | beered | abrotman: no, you didn't. :-) |
| 03:18.12 | Stevie | I don't know |
| 03:18.16 | drc | beardy: because I read somewhere that it will mess things up |
| 03:18.22 | Bac9 | Stevie: oh, you're watching on cable |
| 03:18.25 | asg | dondelelcaro: fyi, dpkg is nonresponsive. |
| 03:18.27 | abrotman | beered: oh come on . i'm pretty sure you had me change it .. |
| 03:18.30 | Bac9 | Stevie: enjoy |
| 03:18.31 | Stevie | err, yes, what did you think? |
| 03:18.37 | Bl4ckH4t | abrotman: hm.. do u think the k7 will work also? i couldn't find amd64 or k8 |
| 03:18.40 | Bac9 | Stevie: downloads |
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| 03:18.41 | abrotman | beered: i mean . i've been beered .. but not that beered |
| 03:18.41 | beered | abrotman: you said to remind you later... |
| 03:18.41 | grelli | hooray, no panic this time |
| 03:18.50 | grelli | such a wierd bug... |
| 03:18.51 | Stevie | but that would be copyright infrigement! I would never do that! |
| 03:18.53 | abrotman | Bl4ckH4t: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 03:19.08 | Bac9 | Stevie: depends on your country |
| 03:19.09 | abrotman | beered: oh .. because dpkg was in the crapper .. ok |
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| 03:19.22 | asg | abrotman: s/was/is currently/ |
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| 03:19.27 | abrotman | beered: and dpkg is in the crapper again |
| 03:19.33 | Bac9 | Stevie: not every place has the same silly laws |
| 03:19.38 | beardy | drc: Well, read this, aptitude is good, use it. |
| 03:19.38 | beered | abrotman: you said I should remind you later about it. Its was last Sunday and chan was going nuts. Seriously though, you can only get wep working with that how-to. for WPA/WPA2 you need to add those two lines. |
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| 03:19.53 | abrotman | beered: yeah . but the bot is toast again |
| 03:19.54 | roler | are a bunch of connections in netstat called orbit normal for a gnome desktop? |
| 03:20.00 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:20.05 | asg | roler: yes |
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| 03:20.16 | Bl4ckH4t | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 03:20.21 | drc | beardy: ok.. but it doesn't have super cow powers :( (hehe) |
| 03:20.38 | asg | drc: you could write a nifty wrapper to provide such powers. |
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| 03:20.54 | abrotman | ~info kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 sarge |
| 03:21.32 | devin_ | can someone help me install a new kernel ? i keep messing up |
| 03:21.45 | drc | btw, since you're talking about 64bit, what are the benefits of 64bit compared to 32bit? |
| 03:21.46 | beardy | drc: No, it doesn't, unfortunately, but what asg said is a good idea. ;) |
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| 03:21.54 | abrotman | devin_: define .. messing up |
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| 03:22.01 | Bl4ckH4t | devin_: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 03:22.17 | Bl4ckH4t | devin_: choose one |
| 03:22.20 | Bl4ckH4t | devin_: apt-get install kernel-image |
| 03:22.24 | asg | drc: in a nutshell, 4 lanes vs. 2 lanes. (people on cell phones still can't drive though) |
| 03:22.40 | beardy | drc: see the cowsay package |
| 03:22.52 | asg | cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
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| 03:23.09 | drc | asg: cool, so it actually makes processes faster? or ? |
| 03:23.13 | devin_ | abrotman when i boot into my new kernel it says kernel panic define "root" boot config or something like that |
| 03:23.13 | Bl4ckH4t | abrotman: ok so ill try to download this kernel and install it then big thx :) |
| 03:23.15 | markl | what is the best kernel type (686, k7, ...) to use with an athlon 3500+ |
| 03:23.20 | weasel00 | whats the ip conf file name? |
| 03:23.21 | markl | currently using 386 |
| 03:23.29 | beardy | ~interfaces |
| 03:23.43 | apt | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man ... |
| 03:23.43 | Flimzy | drc: It *can* make processes faster. |
| 03:23.44 | asg | drc: not faster, but allows more to be done in the same amount of time. Apparently faster in aggregate. |
| 03:23.47 | abrotman | markl: a 32bit CPU |
| 03:23.49 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:23.52 | beardy | weasel00: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:23.54 | beardy | yay |
| 03:23.58 | Bl4ckH4t | abrotman: 1 last question.. i need the 2.4 kernel do u think that there is a amd64 / k8 version? |
| 03:24.02 | abrotman | no |
| 03:24.17 | Bl4ckH4t | so should i use k7 ? |
| 03:24.17 | abrotman | devin_: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 03:24.17 | weasel00 | thanks beardy and bot ;) |
| 03:24.19 | Flimzy | Bl4ckH4t: There is if you compile it. |
| 03:24.36 | markl | abrotman: well it's 64 bit but i installed a 32 bit os (just upgraded from a 1600+) |
| 03:24.37 | drc | beardy: lol, that cowsay package sounds cool ;) |
| 03:24.52 | markl | probably can't just use a 64 bit kernel & 32 bit everything else, can i |
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| 03:25.10 | Flimzy | markl: There wouldn't really be any point. |
| 03:25.14 | abrotman | markl: apt-cache search k8 ... |
| 03:25.30 | Flimzy | markl: Altho you can run 32 and 64 bit processes at the same time |
| 03:25.41 | valdyn | markl: you can, but its somewhat problematic |
| 03:25.46 | abrotman | debian doesn't have biarch |
| 03:25.51 | abrotman | not yet anyways |
| 03:26.03 | valdyn | markl: there´s probably no good reason why you should run a 64 bit kernel wit 32bit userland |
| 03:26.03 | drc | what's biarch? |
| 03:26.06 | markl | how much performance would i get with 64 bit on pure cpu stuff (decoding mpegs is the most cpu intensive thing i do) |
| 03:26.17 | drc | ~biarch |
| 03:26.28 | abrotman | drc: a big mess :) |
| 03:26.28 | Flimzy | drc: two archs (i.e. 32 and 64) simultaneously |
| 03:26.29 | drc | ok |
| 03:26.35 | Flimzy | markl: It depends on a million things |
| 03:26.54 | Flimzy | markl: Best way to answer that question is with a bnechmark |
| 03:27.23 | drc | another Q that might sound stupid to you, am I right if I say that every program will work on 64bit processor even when you run 64bit kernel? |
| 03:27.27 | markl | yeah i will post a benchmark when i get some time. i just booted for the first time like 5 minutes ago |
| 03:27.37 | valdyn | drc: no |
| 03:27.37 | markl | just need to get sound working & then WoW |
| 03:27.46 | drc | or do you need 64bit versions of the programs? |
| 03:27.55 | valdyn | drc: no |
| 03:27.58 | beardy | drc: yeah, it's cool (cowsay) |
| 03:28.02 | asg | abrotman: oh yeah, during our SAN issues, I grabbed this |
| 03:28.05 | asg | abrotman: top - 11:34:41 up 18:07, 2 users, load average: 430.70, 410.74, 357.64 |
| 03:28.12 | markl | i use vlc, i could easily build that for 64 bit if there aren't packages already |
| 03:28.21 | markl | asg: heh nice load avg |
| 03:28.25 | Flimzy | markl: I use vlc on my a64 |
| 03:28.32 | abrotman | asg: i'm not impressed |
| 03:28.34 | markl | i only see that when we have nfs lockups on our mail server |
| 03:28.42 | asg | markl: yeah, that's what happens when a running system loses its disks for a bit |
| 03:28.57 | drc | so valdyn, care to explain it to me? |
| 03:29.04 | markl | so kind of a long shot - but what sound module would you use on an nvidia nforce 430 chipset |
| 03:29.05 | Bl4ckH4t | Flimzy: ok maybe i forgot several informations.. i ve got a 64bit cpu but i m running at 32bit just to make everything easier - cuz i m newb. and i need the 2.4 kernel because psybnc is instable on kernel 2.6.. i don't know how to compile a kernel.. so is it possible to run a k7 kernel on my system (that would be a easy way i think) |
| 03:29.17 | roler | asg; thanks! |
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| 03:29.32 | Flimzy | Bl4ckH4t: Yeah, that should work. |
| 03:29.41 | asg | abrotman: see, someone else thanked me |
| 03:29.43 | markl | lspci isn't helping with audio unfortunately |
| 03:29.52 | Bl4ckH4t | Flimzy: thankyou :) |
| 03:29.52 | abrotman | asg: don't do that .. you'll be productive! |
| 03:29.54 | beardy | ~alsa 2.6 |
| 03:30.00 | valdyn | drc: no i wont, some programs dont run properly compiled as 64 bit apps, some programs dont even compile, some run flawless, some need to be run as their 64 bit versions on a 64 bit kernel, some do not |
| 03:30.00 | abrotman | asg: say fuck a few times .. |
| 03:30.07 | asg | abrotman: if I gain enough credits, do I get to 'go off'? |
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| 03:30.20 | drc | valdyn: well that was enough explained, thanks :D |
| 03:30.28 | abrotman | asg: i do! |
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| 03:30.41 | asg | abrotman: but you are in the red |
| 03:30.48 | abrotman | asg: i'm a russian ? |
| 03:31.06 | asg | abrotman: da |
| 03:31.09 | drc | so the benefits of 64-bit processor are minimal at the moment? |
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| 03:31.35 | abrotman | asg: i'm not too bad .. i've been keeping quiet .. busy at work .. not as busy as you or bob2 .. but busy |
| 03:31.38 | drc | unless everything needed is made to work with it |
| 03:31.45 | valdyn | drc: stop asking these questions, if you dont know clear benefits to you right now, use the 32bit things |
| 03:31.47 | abrotman | drc: depends on your work |
| 03:31.48 | asg | abrotman: I haven't been on since Monday |
| 03:31.51 | devin_ | Bl4ckH4t do i do anything after that? |
| 03:31.59 | abrotman | asg: you were on tuesday night! |
| 03:32.03 | abrotman | asg: jet lagged wife! |
| 03:32.05 | asg | abrotman: only for a bit though |
| 03:32.27 | weasel00 | ~ssh |
| 03:32.37 | apt | ssh is, like, http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/OpenSSH and http://www.openssh.org or see ssh-keygen |
| 03:32.38 | drc | ok valdyn, sorry... |
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| 03:32.51 | weasel00 | grrr... |
| 03:32.56 | dondelelcaro | asg: thanks |
| 03:33.11 | abrotman | asg: it happened again! |
| 03:33.12 | asg | dondelelcaro: you're welcome. Thanks for taking care of it. |
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| 03:33.21 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg is napping again |
| 03:33.24 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '-image-2.6.12' returned no results. |
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| 03:33.36 | abrotman | wtf was that? |
| 03:33.39 | beardy | heh |
| 03:33.45 | asg | abrotman: spurious logic |
| 03:33.48 | stoned- | man |
| 03:33.49 | Stevie | Which manual page do you want? |
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| 03:33.51 | beardy | oops.. |
| 03:33.51 | Bl4ckH4t | devin_: reboot the server |
| 03:33.53 | abrotman | it's like dondelelcaro releases the beast on the channel |
| 03:33.59 | stoned- | who is this peer? |
| 03:34.05 | stoned- | why does he keep resetting connections |
| 03:34.15 | stoned- | it happens to me on every network too |
| 03:34.17 | stoned- | its fucked up |
| 03:34.23 | abrotman | tell your ISP |
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| 03:34.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, peer is the most elusive script kiddie this side of Jupiter |
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| 03:36.32 | petemc | asg: did you p-p-p-pick them up? |
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| 03:37.09 | abrotman | this is why there are no famous irish comedians |
| 03:37.10 | asg | petemc: nah, mrs. asg brough me 4x9 packs, 800 grams of fruit and nut and 6 bakewell tarts back from her latest excursion. I'm very thankful. |
| 03:37.42 | petemc | abrotman: its an old english tv commercial for penguin biscuits, admittedly, that gag doesnt have univeral appeal |
| 03:37.51 | abrotman | petemc: apparently |
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| 03:38.00 | asg | abrotman: it's contextual |
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| 03:38.06 | abrotman | petemc: i get all crappy commericials |
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| 03:40.26 | Bl4ckH4t | hm.. i got another little question.. how can i see which kernel is running? |
| 03:40.32 | abrotman | uname 0a |
| 03:40.34 | abrotman | uname -a |
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| 03:40.50 | Bl4ckH4t | thx.. n sry for my dumbass questions |
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| 03:41.36 | weasel00 | bl3ckh4t: dont worry soon you will sound like a genious compared to myself.. a debian newb |
| 03:42.00 | obscuresoul | does the package xorg-server (from backports.org) works fine? |
| 03:42.04 | Flimzy | Being a genius and a newbie are not mutually exclusive |
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| 03:42.26 | beardy | Bl4ckH4t: Nothing wrong with that question. But use "thanks", "and", "sorry" instead. |
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| 03:43.18 | Bl4ckH4t | beardy: sorry .. it's a bad habit .. |
| 03:43.31 | Flimzy | Bl4ckH4t, Bad, to be sure |
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| 03:45.26 | bobcc1001 | hello I was wondering if someone could help me with a question on cross compiling the 2.6.15 kernel |
| 03:45.30 | curt | quiet... |
| 03:45.55 | abrotman | curt: sssshhh! |
| 03:46.17 | curt | lota script kiddies in here today |
| 03:46.25 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 03:46.27 | obscuresoul | does the package xorg-server (from backports.org) works fine? |
| 03:46.31 | curt | hehe |
| 03:46.42 | abrotman | it should work just fine . i'm sure many people have been using it |
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| 03:47.09 | curt | that last DCC someone quit twice? linuxNIT, without rejoining... Strange? |
| 03:47.39 | abrotman | curt: note the - |
| 03:47.40 | weasel00 | is it "apt-get dist-upgrade" to update the entire system? |
| 03:47.55 | curt | abrotman, I see that now... |
| 03:47.57 | abrotman | !tell weasel about sarge->etch |
| 03:48.06 | bobcc1001 | When I go into the Makefile and change the ARCH to arm (or i386, or |
| 03:48.06 | bobcc1001 | anything else I think), I get an error: make: *** /newsrc/linux-2.6.15.1/arch/arm: Is a directory. Stop. Any ideas? |
| 03:48.19 | abrotman | weasel: sorry .. misfire . i'm sure you know how to use dist-upgrade |
| 03:48.24 | abrotman | !tell weasel00 about sarge->etch |
| 03:48.31 | weasel00 | got it |
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| 03:48.39 | weasel00 | thank you, abrotman |
| 03:48.50 | weasel00 | took twice.. bot lag? |
| 03:48.56 | beardy | !tell bobcc1001 -about kp |
| 03:49.08 | beardy | bobcc1001: Don't do things like that. |
| 03:49.21 | curt | weasel00, wrong nick fist time |
| 03:49.28 | livex | please i need help w bootsplash i make all changes and my images in boot dont change!!! |
| 03:49.40 | weasel00 | "fist time" ?? eeeeeeek!! |
| 03:49.44 | abrotman | weasel00: .. the first guy i hit should certainly know how to use apt-get :) |
| 03:49.47 | dli | my hsfmodem won't dial out and failed with "no carrier!", any hsfmodem user? |
| 03:50.05 | bobcc1001 | beardy thanks! |
| 03:50.07 | Flimzy | dli: I've used hsfmodems... long enough to throw them down the garbage disposal |
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| 03:50.32 | bobcc1001 | first real hint i've gotten |
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| 03:50.39 | Drac|Laptop | I've just configured and compiled my own kernel. What do I do with it now? |
| 03:50.52 | curt | Drac[Server], boot it? |
| 03:51.03 | curt | Drac|Laptop, , boot it? |
| 03:51.04 | Flimzy | Drac[Server]: Email it to president@whitehouse.gov |
| 03:51.06 | beardy | bobcc1001: man make-kpkg |
| 03:51.07 | dli | Flimzy, usually, they work with linuxant, but this one just won't dial |
| 03:51.08 | kyrel_ | hello |
| 03:51.14 | nearest | hahaha |
| 03:51.15 | Drac|Laptop | curt: No, I mean how do I arrange the files and stuff? There's a vmlinux, but I don't know what to do with it. |
| 03:51.19 | beardy | bobcc1001: you're welcome |
| 03:51.24 | Flimzy | dli: I'd consider that a good thing. |
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| 03:51.44 | beardy | !tell teaman -about root |
| 03:51.50 | dli | Flimzy, no, for people who has no dsl :( |
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| 03:51.58 | petemc | Drac|Laptop: if you insist on compiling your own kernel, do take the time to read some how tos |
| 03:52.01 | Flimzy | dli: I don't have DSL. |
| 03:52.07 | petemc | Drac|Laptop: otherwise you will be mocked |
| 03:52.11 | bobcc1001 | beardy: the instructions from arm.linux.org.ux was just to change the arch and cross_compile and do a make |
| 03:52.14 | Flimzy | dli: And even if I was on dialup, I wouldn't use an hsf modem if it was the last modem on earth |
| 03:52.19 | dli | Flimzy, for people have dialup only |
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| 03:52.34 | dli | Flimzy, it's a laptop :( |
| 03:52.35 | Flimzy | dli: HSF modems are about the worst that exist. |
| 03:52.41 | Bl4ckH4t | ok.. i m still in trouble.. after i typed this command: "apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7" i got asked if i want to add a boot block or something like that to lilo.cfg.. i said yes.. and after that i have rebooted the server.. but 2.6 is still running.. so i tried to install the 2.4 kernel again .. and it tells me that it is allready installed.. so i think have to change something in the boot options.. where ever they are |
| 03:52.43 | beardy | bobcc1001: Ask ##linux if you are going to do things that way. |
| 03:52.58 | Flimzy | dli: sucks to be you |
| 03:53.15 | Flimzy | dli: I'd get a wireless router and a 486 Linux router w/ a USR courier modem. |
| 03:53.38 | abrotman | Bl4ckH4t: edit your lilo.conf to set your default to the right kernel you want |
| 03:53.40 | Drac|Laptop | petemc: Um.... I couldn't find the howtos... >_> |
| 03:53.46 | Flimzy | dli: I'll sell you my ISA Courier if you want :P |
| 03:53.52 | weasel00 | dpkg isnt making sense to me about modifying the line about secury.debian.org in the source.list...!? |
| 03:54.05 | dli | Flimzy, no, unless I can use it on the laptop |
| 03:54.16 | beardy | Flimzy: How can you do that when that other modem was the last one on earth? |
| 03:54.17 | Flimzy | dli: You can use it w/ a router + wireless, like I just suggested. |
| 03:54.20 | themoleste | is there a command similar to mmv -x that will work with directories |
| 03:54.29 | curt | Drac|Laptop, so waht do you want to do with your new kernel now that you have it compiled? |
| 03:54.40 | Flimzy | beardy, Precisely :) |
| 03:54.43 | themoleste | or a way to detect if two paths are part of the same filesystem |
| 03:55.08 | Bl4ckH4t | abrotman: there aren't any kernels yet in this file.. |
| 03:55.22 | abrotman | !de |
| 03:55.22 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 03:55.35 | curt | global request for msg, that's brave |
| 03:55.44 | Drac|Laptop | curt: Well, I want to make it bootable and such. I need to create an initrd file and such for it, but I don't know what I need to do precisely. Hell, I don't even know if vmlinux is the actual kernel binary. O_o |
| 03:55.53 | abrotman | curt: lilo "owns" freenode |
| 03:56.01 | curt | abrotman, I saw his title |
| 03:56.09 | abrotman | he has a title? |
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| 03:56.12 | curt | abrotman, still brave |
| 03:56.21 | BlackDeath | Has anyone messed with gre tunnels before? |
| 03:56.25 | curt | abrotman, head something something |
| 03:56.34 | Flimzy | BlackDeath: Barely |
| 03:56.40 | beardy | BlackDeath: Ask your question and find out. |
| 03:57.15 | BlackDeath | Well, I can get the tunnel up just fine... but I want to apply ipsec to it. I suppose its mostly a question of how do I use ipsec on an interface |
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| 03:57.54 | curt | Drac|Laptop, update-grub |
| 03:57.58 | yawg | i want to try expanding my swap memory |
| 03:58.08 | yawg | would this help with memory errors durring kernel install? |
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| 03:58.23 | Flimzy | yawg: define "during kernel install" |
| 03:58.44 | beardy | yawg: depends on what you mean by "memory errors" |
| 03:58.47 | beardy | !memtest |
| 03:58.47 | dpkg | somebody said memtest was http://www.memtest86.com/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/, or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+ |
| 03:58.55 | Drac|Laptop | curt: That doesn't really tell me what I should do with the vmlinux file or anything.. |
| 03:58.55 | beardy | yawg: ^^^ |
| 03:59.00 | Bl4ckH4t | Ok my last problem is, if I am right, that I don't know what I have to type into lilo.cfg to get 2.4 booting |
| 03:59.51 | Stevie | anybody know the major/minor for /dev/rd/0 |
| 03:59.52 | curt | Drac|Laptop, if your vmlinux is in /boot update grub will set it up for you |
| 04:00.00 | Stevie | ? |
| 04:00.04 | Flimzy | Stevie: MAKEDEV should |
| 04:00.12 | Drac|Laptop | curt: Ah. Cool. Thanks. :) |
| 04:00.28 | beardy | Bl4ckH4t: man 5 lilo.conf |
| 04:00.37 | curt | Drac|Laptop, pay attention to the output of update-grub before you boot |
| 04:00.49 | yawg | Flimzy: when i apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 04:01.05 | Flimzy | yawg: what do the errors say? |
| 04:01.19 | yawg | it kills the process |
| 04:01.26 | yawg | because there isn't enough memory |
| 04:01.33 | Drac|Laptop | curt: Okay. |
| 04:01.35 | Flimzy | yawg: how much memory do you have? |
| 04:01.49 | weasel00 | "wget http://.../ziyi-2005-7.asc -O - | sudo apt-key add - " returns a cannot write to ziyi-blah.asc (broken pipe). ?? |
| 04:01.50 | yawg | 14MB |
| 04:02.03 | curt | Drac|Laptop, if it looks good you need to reboot to load the new kernel |
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| 04:02.14 | deadcat | what apps to move from :0.0 to :0.1? besides xmove |
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| 04:02.31 | nichos | i just rebooted, and now i have sound:( any ideas? ive checked my modules and alsactl |
| 04:02.37 | nichos | er, alsamixer rathar |
| 04:02.44 | Flimzy | yawg: You only have 14mb of RAM? |
| 04:02.46 | Drac|Laptop | I can't believe I extracted 125+ MB to build a 3.1MB kernel... |
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| 04:02.59 | yawg | Flimzy: yes. |
| 04:03.07 | Flimzy | yawg: My suggestion is to get some more memory |
| 04:03.16 | yawg | 16 i guess, but 14 when i cat /proc/meminfo |
| 04:03.21 | yawg | Flimzy: not an option |
| 04:03.23 | Flimzy | yawg: How much swap do youhave? |
| 04:03.29 | yawg | 32MB |
| 04:03.31 | weasel00 | lilo's link is down for maintenance lol |
| 04:03.33 | Bl4ckH4t | Bellyeye |
| 04:03.36 | Bl4ckH4t | oops |
| 04:03.40 | Bl4ckH4t | beardy: thank you |
| 04:03.41 | ke6isf | yawg: criminy, how old is this computer? |
| 04:03.42 | Flimzy | yawg: Well, I'd say adding more memory is your only option. |
| 04:03.47 | Red_Cloud | I have had little success at enabling X server after upgrading several packages in testing. |
| 04:03.57 | yawg | Flimzy: swap isn't used durring kernel install? |
| 04:03.58 | beardy | Bl4ckH4t: you're welcome |
| 04:04.03 | abrotman | doh . now it's back |
| 04:04.07 | Stevie | mount: Mounting none on /dev failed: No such device |
| 04:04.09 | Stevie | bah! |
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| 04:04.26 | Flimzy | yawg: 1) There's nothing "special" about a 'kernel install'... All you're doing is copying a file. |
| 04:04.31 | abrotman | weasel00: it's iffy .. |
| 04:04.33 | Stevie | I take it there's no debian install cd that runs a very very very new (e.g. post-devfs-removal) kernel, eh |
| 04:04.37 | yawg | yeah so why is it having an error |
| 04:04.42 | Flimzy | yawg: 2) swap is used in everything... and you should have plenty. If you don't have enough RAM now, adding more swap won't help. |
| 04:04.56 | Flimzy | yawg: Because you don't have enough memory. That should be obvious. |
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| 04:05.11 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, don't be that way. All are beginners at some point. And this now seems to be my point. |
| 04:05.16 | petemc | Stevie: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm |
| 04:05.19 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: huh ? |
| 04:05.24 | weasel00 | abrotman: what am i doing wrong to get that broken pipe error? |
| 04:05.31 | kyrel_ | I have a question about libsvga : i've compiled the sources but reven if MPlayer recongnize the presence of the lib, it doesn't compile because of a file, "vga.h" that si unfindable... I used to use the .deb svgalib packages (bin an ddev) to compile MPlayer... Is there a -dev packages sources for svgaib to install before compiling MPlayer ? (ps : all apologize for my english) |
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| 04:05.41 | Flimzy | yawg: Why is adding memory not an option? |
| 04:05.42 | abrotman | weasel00: hit it again .. my first try was broken . next was fine |
| 04:05.53 | Stevie | petemc: Awesome. Thanks. |
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| 04:06.16 | useruser_ | yawg: if you have networking and a different box, you can do everything remotely over an nfs mount |
| 04:06.32 | useruser_ | yawg: with a chroot |
| 04:06.37 | weasel00 | abrotman: still getting a broken pipe error pulling the asc file for secure-testing-master per dpkg's msgs |
| 04:06.37 | yawg | hm? |
| 04:06.39 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, I just joined this chat and assumed that your comment "doh. now it's back" was a natural reaction to my black hole of ignorance returning to this chat |
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| 04:06.48 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: not at all |
| 04:07.51 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 04:07.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, testing security is Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
| 04:07.52 | abrotman | !secure-testing-master apt-key |
| 04:07.52 | dpkg | secure-testing-master apt-key is probably a way for you to get apt-get to stop whining about gpg key warnings. check http://secure-testing-master.debian.net for the latest key, or "wget http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ziyi-2005-7.asc -O - | sudo apt-key add -" |
| 04:07.53 | useruser_ | yawg: what is it you're trying to do? |
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| 04:07.56 | Flimzy | yawg: I suggested adding memory. You said that's not an option. I'm asking why that's not an option. |
| 04:07.58 | weasel00 | abrotman: yep thats the one... returns a broken pipe error |
| 04:08.00 | beered | anyone using portsentry? |
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| 04:08.07 | ke6isf | !anyone use portsentry |
| 04:08.08 | dpkg | No, no one uses portsentry, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:08.15 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, I appreciate your suffering of my anchorage, and will endure any short-suffering that you may experience in the unavoidable future |
| 04:08.19 | abrotman | weasel00: if you just wget the file .. do you get anything ? |
| 04:08.20 | Flimzy | useruser_: He's trying to run Debian on a machine with only 16mb of physical RAM. |
| 04:08.28 | sixtymhz | o0 |
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| 04:08.37 | sixtymhz | is there such a machine? |
| 04:08.40 | useruser_ | Flimzy: yes, should be possible |
| 04:08.40 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: big words .. beer .. late .. tired .. succint is better! :) |
| 04:08.41 | weasel00 | Cannot write to `ziyi-2005-7.asc' (Broken pipe). |
| 04:08.48 | ke6isf | yawg: Still curious, how old is your computer? |
| 04:08.56 | Flimzy | useruser_: Maybe. Depending on what version you're using. |
| 04:09.10 | useruser_ | Flimzy: i ran woody on a 16mb box |
| 04:09.14 | Flimzy | useruser_: IIRC, Debian potato required 16mb just to install. I'd imagine the requirements are a bit higher by now. |
| 04:09.21 | abrotman | wget http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ziyi-2005-7.asc .. weasel00 does that work for you? |
| 04:09.31 | useruser_ | Flimzy: right, i had to use another machine with an nfs mount to use apt :) |
| 04:09.36 | weasel00 | abrotman: just realized what you asked.. dl worked... |
| 04:09.40 | curt | weasel00, you can always just grab the key and save it then cat savedkey | sudo apt-key add - |
| 04:09.42 | Flimzy | yawg: what does 'free' tell you? |
| 04:09.53 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, beer all around. I meant: thanks for the pass but I will understand if you tell me to "take a hike" at any time. |
| 04:09.54 | abrotman | weasel: then the rest should work |
| 04:10.13 | Flimzy | I think I still have woody running on a machine with 16mb RAM, come to think of it... running just as a router in my parent's basement. I keep meaning to retire that machine. |
| 04:10.29 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: not likely |
| 04:10.30 | ke6isf | Flimzy: What's that machine doing? |
| 04:10.42 | Flimzy | ke6isf: Which one? |
| 04:10.53 | ke6isf | Flimzy: The Woody box with 16 MB RAM? |
| 04:11.03 | Flimzy | ke6isf: I just told you. |
| 04:11.05 | weasel00 | ~sudo |
| 04:11.16 | apt | hmm... sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 04:11.16 | curt | Red_Cloud, so what is it that you are doing wrong? |
| 04:11.17 | ke6isf | Flimzy: Oh. =O.o= |
| 04:11.18 | Flimzy | ke6isf: I think I still have woody running on a machine with 16mb RAM, come to think of it... running just as a router in my parent's basement. I keep meaning to retire that machine. |
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| 04:11.27 | Flimzy | "running just as a router" |
| 04:11.31 | yawg | Flimzy: 13.8/14.2 used |
| 04:11.39 | Flimzy | yawg: What does it say about swap? |
| 04:11.51 | yawg | Flimzy: 6.1/31.2 swap |
| 04:11.56 | beered | I need to play a game... whats the best first-shooter game that I could apt-get? |
| 04:12.11 | abrotman | play enigma instead |
| 04:12.11 | Flimzy | yawg: Yeah... see? then your swap isn't used up. So adding more swap won't help. Again I ask, why can't you add more physical RAM? |
| 04:12.11 | ke6isf | !tell beered -about polls |
| 04:12.18 | useruser_ | beered: nethack? |
| 04:12.20 | beered | ke6isf: did you play that? |
| 04:12.21 | Flimzy | beered: gldoom |
| 04:12.26 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, I need to study solutions to my problem with X server, xterm, display, and configuring my xdm problem. Where would be a good online resource that might address this area of my OS? |
| 04:12.29 | ke6isf | beered: Did I play what? |
| 04:12.33 | beered | that game |
| 04:12.37 | ke6isf | beered: What game? |
| 04:12.40 | Flimzy | beered: Or maybe netmaze. whooo! |
| 04:12.42 | weasel00 | beerred: freeciv... burn the hours away ;) |
| 04:12.57 | Flimzy | Red_Cloud: google.com |
| 04:13.04 | ke6isf | beered: Try playing atc. It's in the bsd-games package. |
| 04:13.11 | yawg | Flimzy: it's too old |
| 04:13.15 | Red_Cloud | Flimzy, I have read the man pages for X server, xterm, but am at a loss. |
| 04:13.21 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: if i knew what was wrong :) |
| 04:13.27 | weasel00 | abrotman: sudo command not found... lmao |
| 04:13.32 | Flimzy | yawg: No it's not. Any PC that can run Linux can accept at least 32mb of RAM. |
| 04:13.33 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, myself |
| 04:13.48 | Flimzy | Red_Cloud: So try google.com as I suggested. |
| 04:13.53 | beered | weasel00: do you have URL for freecv? |
| 04:13.54 | useruser_ | Flimzy: false |
| 04:13.59 | yawg | Flimzy: well i don't know where to buy memory for this |
| 04:14.06 | weasel00 | beered: looking hold on |
| 04:14.09 | Flimzy | yawg: Unless you're using some propreitary hardware platform. |
| 04:14.12 | Flimzy | yawg: Now t he truth comes out. |
| 04:14.16 | Flimzy | yawg: So what kind of memory does it take? |
| 04:14.27 | weasel00 | http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Freeciv |
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| 04:14.30 | useruser_ | Flimzy: some of the memory chips are soldered in :P |
| 04:14.31 | yawg | Flimzy: idk |
| 04:14.34 | beered | weasel00: thanks |
| 04:14.41 | Flimzy | useruser_: I should say any CPU Linux can run on is capable of addressing at least 32mb of RAM. |
| 04:14.48 | ke6isf | useruser_: Wow, that's old. |
| 04:14.49 | Flimzy | yawg: What kind of CPU does it have? |
| 04:15.05 | Flimzy | ke6isf: or a laptop, or other embedded type of system. |
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| 04:15.16 | yawg | Flimzy: 90MHz |
| 04:15.16 | weasel00 | beered: its multiplayer if you can find a friend to join ya |
| 04:15.35 | ke6isf | Holy jeez, Pentium 1. |
| 04:15.44 | Flimzy | yawg: It probably takes 72-pin EDO SIMMs. You can probably find them on ebay for about $1 per meg. |
| 04:15.48 | Flimzy | yawg: Or less. |
| 04:15.55 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, I have a diminished lifetime ahead of me, and this IS my hobby, so I can just go with the Introduction to Linux and study until I his upon an idea that may help me. And I would like to ask, Do you teach this stuff at a University or something? |
| 04:16.02 | jeffrin | my laptop gets heated up when using net using USB |
| 04:16.09 | jeffrin | it gets slow |
| 04:16.15 | Flimzy | yawg: It *might* take 168-pin 66Mhz DIMMs... if it's an old CPU in a new(er) motherboard. But unlikely. Those are probably even cheaper. |
| 04:16.15 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: not quite .. i just have free time :) |
| 04:16.28 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 04:16.28 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (i.e. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 04:16.49 | Flimzy | yawg: So what you mean to say is not "not an option" but "I'm not willing to learn enough to do it" |
| 04:17.18 | Flimzy | yawg: I have some 72-pin EDO SIMMs I'd gladly give you for the price of shipping, come to think of it. |
| 04:17.28 | yawg | heh |
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| 04:17.47 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, well your free time is Valuable time in my opinion. The gems that you disperse are all keepers. Thanks for the time that you have spent with me with my kindergarten problems. |
| 04:17.50 | yawg | Flimzy: i'm using a toshiba portege 610CT |
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| 04:17.57 | beered | Flimzy: can you apt-get gldoom? |
| 04:17.59 | weasel00 | argh.. alright whats the keyword to ask dpkg how to add a gpg key cause it aint working lol |
| 04:18.06 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: it's more important you get the fix :) |
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| 04:18.20 | Flimzy | beered: I'd imagine so. Altho I'm not really sure why you'd want to, except just to be goofy |
| 04:18.23 | abrotman | hrm .. my arms hurt .. |
| 04:18.30 | Flimzy | yawg: I have a 233Mhz laptop you can have, too. |
| 04:18.36 | Flimzy | yawg: w/ 96mb of RAM |
| 04:18.44 | Kagey | is there a tool i can use to see which process are accessing a disk? |
| 04:18.47 | abrotman | i have a 486! .. runs sarge! |
| 04:19.16 | Flimzy | Kagey: lsof might do what you want |
| 04:19.16 | Quinn_Storm | a 486 with enough ram (16M I think) & disk space can even run sid |
| 04:19.16 | curt | abrotman, it was in the FAQ > Rob Levin, the head of freenode |
| 04:19.17 | Quinn_Storm | well with a i386 kernel that is |
| 04:19.19 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, I am headed to X server.org or its equivalent to see what they have to offer. Thanks. |
| 04:19.22 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: 36MB in mine |
| 04:19.34 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: but i don't know what your problem is yet |
| 04:19.40 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: the only 486 I have has 4MB and can barely run anything |
| 04:19.42 | abrotman | curt: oh .. gotcha |
| 04:19.56 | Flimzy | Quinn_Storm: You can probably easily upgrade that to 16mb |
| 04:19.59 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: no way .. mine can run all kinds of stuff .. it was my pppd for a while |
| 04:20.08 | Quinn_Storm | Flimzy: its an ancient laptop |
| 04:20.14 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: w/ 4MB? what OS? |
| 04:20.21 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: mine is 36MB |
| 04:20.28 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: yeah yours is fine, 4MB is too little |
| 04:20.47 | Quinn_Storm | its no big deal, I have a decent desktop, I just thought I'd chime in with my old system experience |
| 04:20.51 | ke6isf | Ah, good old Slackware. =^^= |
| 04:21.00 | Quinn_Storm | I cut my linux teeth on slack |
| 04:21.01 | Flimzy | ke6isf, Old, anyway |
| 04:21.03 | Quinn_Storm | can't recall what version |
| 04:21.10 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: you can run slink .. maybe :) |
| 04:21.16 | Flimzy | I was using "slackware 96"... kernel 1.2.13 |
| 04:21.16 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: it runs |
| 04:21.30 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: that is, it runs "basic linux", which is based on an old slack |
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| 04:21.38 | Quinn_Storm | abrotman: amazingly, it runs grub! |
| 04:21.43 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:22.11 | beered | man, these games suck. Isn't there a game with nicer graphics for linux? |
| 04:22.22 | Quinn_Storm | beered: well, what kind of game? |
| 04:22.27 | weasel00 | abrotman : cat ziyi-2005-7.asc | sudo apt-key add - :: -bash:sudo:command not found o.O |
| 04:22.30 | Quinn_Storm | beered: I happen to play a decent amount of quake 3 myself |
| 04:22.32 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, I am the feller who upgraded from sarge to testing. All was well until I continued to upgrade quite a few packages and then upon reboot I am locked out of my kdm kde gui. I have a problem communicating with X server. My latest sysmpton seems to be that xdm does not have a display configures or something of that ilk |
| 04:22.36 | comsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.38 | abrotman | weasel: just do it as root .. no sudo crap |
| 04:22.47 | weasel00 | tried that too lol |
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| 04:22.53 | beered | Quinn_Storm: ahhhh.. ya, that would be more like it. |
| 04:23.02 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: so .. does X work at all ? |
| 04:23.26 | Kagey | Flimzy, thank you |
| 04:23.27 | beered | Quinn_Storm: GLQuake? |
| 04:23.39 | Quinn_Storm | beered: ioquake3...not sure what package...hang on |
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| 04:23.46 | Celeste | hi |
| 04:23.49 | weasel00 | abrotman : been spoiled with yum too long |
| 04:23.50 | Flimzy | bed time for me... have to work early. grr |
| 04:23.52 | Flimzy | g'nite all |
| 04:24.31 | Quinn_Storm | beered: according to dpkg-query -S, mine came from a package just called "quake3" but I'm not sure if its official |
| 04:24.33 | curt | Red_Cloud, you ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 04:24.40 | Quinn_Storm | beered: I might have gotten it from apt-get.org |
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| 04:25.11 | Celeste | Could anyone help me please with the VHOSTS in Apache ... I created a vhost, and now, every connection to my localhost goes into this vhost ... also when I type just my IP adress into the Browser |
| 04:25.17 | beered | Quinn_Storm: ok. I'll check that webiste. |
| 04:25.23 | Celeste | normal connections should go to /var/www |
| 04:25.23 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, I do not know how to test as to the functions of X. Presently I am not able to apt-get or do anything with aptitude. Is there a way in which I can slow down the boot that I might be able to read all of the information that scrolls as it boots? Than I might know what is loading and what is not. |
| 04:25.30 | twisted` | where can I find floppy images for debian netinstall? |
| 04:25.47 | Quinn_Storm | twisted`: in a time machine? no, just kidding, not sure though |
| 04:26.00 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: check /var/log/ .. check the X log .. |
| 04:26.06 | Red_Cloud | curt, yes I have tried dpkg-reconfigure X server-xorg and got the response that there was a communication problem with X server |
| 04:26.09 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: we need an error why kdm won't start |
| 04:26.18 | weasel00 | twisted : http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 04:26.37 | twisted` | weasel00: thanks |
| 04:27.00 | weasel00 | twisted : boot, then root, then net- or cd- ... |
| 04:27.08 | twisted` | weasel00: nice :) |
| 04:27.22 | Red_Cloud | abrotbam, I have tried to read the logs but do not know the liine command to get it to display on my screen. I have tried print, etc. but I have not het figured out how to get it to display. |
| 04:27.28 | twisted` | just wonderin howto get them onto the floppy... |
| 04:27.28 | weasel00 | figured it out myself after a couple hours... save ya the trouble ;) |
| 04:27.40 | weasel00 | google rawwrite ... =) |
| 04:27.55 | curt | Red_Cloud, cat filename | more |
| 04:28.13 | nearest | games for ps3 are go while on cg? |
| 04:28.15 | twisted` | weasel00: found it |
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| 04:28.58 | Red_Cloud | curt, thanks for the info. I will be back shortly. I must reboot into Linux and read the file. |
| 04:29.08 | curt | Red_Cloud, dmesg should have most of your boot stuff |
| 04:29.52 | Red_Cloud | thanks |
| 04:30.36 | curt | leno's coming on gotta go. |
| 04:30.44 | abrotman | sad |
| 04:30.49 | abrotman | letterman! |
| 04:30.55 | curt | hehe |
| 04:31.00 | weasel00 | how does it install without all of the aptitude tools?? there is not apt-get on the box?! o.O lmfao |
| 04:31.22 | weasel00 | replace "apt-get" / "apt-key" |
| 04:31.47 | dondelelcaro | weasel00: if you're not running etch or sid, you won't have apt-key. |
| 04:32.17 | abrotman | you'd thikn someone messing with testing-security would be on etch ... |
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| 04:33.31 | weasel00 | i just downloaded the latest stable release and trying run an update to make sure the pkg's are current and aptitude is slowly driving me back to fedora lol |
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| 04:34.03 | mrpickles | Hello #debian. anyone awake ? |
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| 04:34.07 | abrotman | no |
| 04:34.18 | weasel00 | dondelelcaro : i am running sid as far as i know... |
| 04:34.29 | abrotman | dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 04:34.30 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 | tail -1 |
| 04:34.39 | comsa | only us chickens |
| 04:35.35 | weasel00 | abrotman, what was that command you told me to run something like "apt-get && | ..." ?? |
| 04:35.44 | abrotman | no .. just run it |
| 04:35.49 | abrotman | allbyitself |
| 04:37.08 | weasel00 | Couldn't stat source package list |
| 04:38.03 | LinuxNIT | to install grub to the mbr i can do grub-instal /dev/hda right? |
| 04:38.04 | mrpickles | i preordered " the debian bible" from BAM a few days ago. I pretty much decided I wan't to become fluent in everything debian. I've had al ot of experience with things like mepis and ubuntu and I want to get straight down to business with debian itself. has anyone ever taught themselves much about debian with a book such as " the debian bible" or etc ? |
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| 04:44.35 | hax | could someone help me get cups working? i'm telling it to print through kde, but nothing is coming out :) |
| 04:45.20 | zebalin4 | hax: did you install a printer? did the test page work? |
| 04:45.26 | mrpickles | hax, my cock is hard for you. tell me you want me now you dirty slut. |
| 04:45.29 | hax | zebalin4: yes, and no |
| 04:45.36 | hax | mrpickles: ... what? |
| 04:45.40 | mrpickles | :P |
| 04:45.47 | Stevie | errr |
| 04:45.47 | mrpickles | sorry. feeling playful |
| 04:45.47 | virtu | anyone can help me with spca5xx driver? |
| 04:45.49 | Stevie | wtf? |
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| 04:46.48 | zebalin4 | hax: well you want to go back to the KDE printer setup and find the right driver for your printer so that the test page works. What printer do you have? |
| 04:47.02 | hax | zebalin4: usb hp 1315xi |
| 04:47.07 | hax | zebalin4: kde detects it just fine |
| 04:47.26 | hax | zebalin4: then when i get to the test page part, it wants a user name and password, so i just gave it root and it accepted it, but no page came out |
| 04:47.30 | zebalin4 | hax: detecting it and printing to it are two differnt things. |
| 04:47.37 | hax | zebalin4: agreed |
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| 04:48.11 | zebalin4 | hax: what driver (ppd) did you choose when you installed the printer? |
| 04:48.23 | weasel00 | apparently hitting the server with a beer bottle causes it to work =D |
| 04:48.36 | hax | zebalin4: you mean 'cups'? |
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| 04:49.47 | zebalin4 | hax: when you installed the printer you had to choose a driver. Which one was it? |
| 04:50.09 | hax | zebalin4: i don't know, i will do it again, one sec |
| 04:50.31 | alolex | hey, why do I have to chown myname /dev/dsp every time I restart just to hear sound? |
| 04:50.59 | hax | zebalin4: i picked 'hp deskjet serious' |
| 04:51.00 | hax | err |
| 04:51.02 | hax | 'series' |
| 04:51.10 | hax | zebalin4: perhaps incorrectly? (although i think thats what it is) |
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| 04:54.35 | zebalin4 | Have you been to linuxprinting.org? |
| 04:55.25 | zebalin4 | hax: is this a deskjet or psc or what kind of printer? |
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| 04:55.48 | hax | zebalin4: i've lookd at linuxprinting, but this is a 'psc 1315xi' |
| 04:55.52 | UziMaster | anyone know a good cyber cafe software in linux? |
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| 04:56.03 | hax | zebalin4: but its essentially an inkjet, i mean, they've all gotta be pretty much the same |
| 04:56.21 | abrotman | !moo |
| 04:56.21 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 04:56.53 | zebalin4 | hax: go back to the KDE printer set up and choos hpjis as your driver and then try the test page. |
| 04:56.57 | UziMaster | !lol |
| 04:56.57 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 04:57.17 | hax | zebalin4: 'hpjis'? |
| 04:57.28 | zebalin4 | hax: yes |
| 04:57.38 | hax | zebalin4: umm, i don't see that as an option |
| 04:57.49 | zebalin4 | hax: hpijs sorry |
| 04:58.10 | zebalin4 | hax: stands for HP Ink Jet System (I think). |
| 04:58.13 | hax | zebalin4: that either... they're all long names, like 'hp deskjet series' and stuff |
| 04:58.46 | virtu | anyone can help me to install spca5xx-source package... its on unstable and I use stable version |
| 04:59.10 | zebalin4 | hax: first you have to pick the manufacture (HP) then the printer... choose psc1300 or something like that and then you can pick a driver. |
| 04:59.22 | hax | zebalin4: ah |
| 04:59.28 | hax | zebalin4: for manufacturer, it says 'esp' |
| 04:59.58 | zebalin4 | hax: there should be a whole list of them. HP should be one of them, espson another, etc. |
| 04:59.59 | hax | zebalin4: i think i need this 'djtools package' |
| 05:00.03 | hax | zebalin4: its nto |
| 05:00.04 | hax | *not |
| 05:00.14 | hax | zebalin4: 'manufacturer' is ont he left side, and 'esp' is the only option |
| 05:00.18 | zebalin4 | hax: how did you install cups? |
| 05:00.32 | hax | zebalin4: apt-get install... cupsys? cups-utils? i think? |
| 05:00.39 | zebalin4 | hax: you have not installed all the cups stuff... foomatic, hp stuff etc. |
| 05:00.51 | hax | zebalin4: yeah, i need that stuff |
| 05:00.59 | hax | zebalin4: what package is that? |
| 05:00.59 | zebalin4 | hax: go back and install all the foomatic stuff. |
| 05:01.12 | zebalin4 | hax: do you have synaptic? |
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| 05:01.56 | hax | zebalin4: synaptic? like the mouse? |
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| 05:02.20 | SimonRaven | no as in the "package manager" |
| 05:02.22 | zebalin4 | hax: no, synaptic is a front-end for apt-get. |
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| 05:02.33 | SimonRaven | the pad driver is 'synaptics' |
| 05:02.33 | zebalin4 | hax: are you running stable, testing or Sid? |
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| 05:03.00 | hax | zebalin4: unstable, and i use apt-get |
| 05:03.09 | hax | zebalin4: and i'm installing the foomatics stuff now |
| 05:03.28 | Rudolf | hey, i'm put my ip, my complete hostname and my short hostname in /etc/hosts |
| 05:03.35 | deadcat | SimonRaven: man i am trying to create a repo like yours.. its confusing. |
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| 05:03.37 | Rudolf | if i ping short OK |
| 05:03.48 | zebalin4 | hax: you also need the hpijs package and maybe the hplip package. Won't hurt. |
| 05:03.52 | deadcat | SimonRaven: any pointers? |
| 05:03.54 | hax | zebalin4: getting it |
| 05:03.55 | Rudolf | but if i ping complete hostname ERR |
| 05:03.55 | alolex | sorry I haven't kept up with your chat about the printer so im unsure if this is irrelevant, but are you using the drivers hp has available on the web for their all in one printers? |
| 05:03.59 | SimonRaven | deadcat: you get used to it ;) |
| 05:03.59 | Rudolf | unknow host |
| 05:04.25 | deadcat | SimonRaven: do i move the files into the dir or the command will do it for me? |
| 05:04.29 | SimonRaven | deadcat: debpool or reprepro will do that for you. it's very similar to a debian mirror |
| 05:04.30 | zebalin4 | hax: and get hopj while you are at it. |
| 05:04.37 | deadcat | ah |
| 05:04.49 | SimonRaven | the command will, will also create Packages files. man apt-ftparchive |
| 05:04.59 | zebalin4 | hax: thats hpoj. sorry. |
| 05:05.20 | Stevie | wooo |
| 05:05.25 | SimonRaven | there's also mini-dinstall, dak - dak has all the girls in it |
| 05:05.30 | hax | zebalin4: its all getting installed, sec |
| 05:05.39 | zebalin4 | hax: make sure you get foomatic-db-hpijs |
| 05:05.46 | hax | zebalin4: got it |
| 05:05.50 | SimonRaven | brittany, katie, etc. |
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| 05:06.38 | zebalin4 | hax: I assume you got cupsys-client. |
| 05:06.43 | Stevie | woohooo |
| 05:06.51 | hax | zebalin4: yup |
| 05:06.58 | SimonRaven | Rudolf: the format is very specific. if you don't do it right it'll go puke all over your shoes |
| 05:07.10 | Stevie | http://klozoff.ms11.net/pictures/uml-debian-install.png |
| 05:07.15 | hax | zebalin4: okay, now what? :) |
| 05:07.36 | hax | zebalin4: oh, i think it installed my printer |
| 05:07.38 | zebalin4 | hax: go back and try to fix your printer. |
| 05:08.07 | hekate | how close is the upgraded damn small linux debian hd upgrade like original debian, can you install apps like eclipse, etc? |
| 05:08.25 | hax | zebalin4: great, now the manufacturer list is totally empty |
| 05:08.34 | hax | that did the opposite of what i wanted it to do |
| 05:08.45 | zebalin4 | hax: I believe that when you install cups it will go out and look for your priner and install it. |
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| 05:08.51 | hax | zebalin4: i think it did that |
| 05:09.03 | zebalin4 | hax: ok, so see if it works. |
| 05:09.05 | hax | zebalin4: but how do i tell kde i've got a printer now? |
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| 05:09.23 | zebalin4 | hax: you may have 2 printers installed now. |
| 05:09.24 | hax | zebalin4: i'm in the printer control center thingie, and its not there, and i can't add it, because the list of drivers is empty |
| 05:09.29 | bucky | DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
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| 05:10.08 | zebalin4 | hax: you may have to restart cups. You can do that from the kde printer manager but have to be root (it will ask you). |
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| 05:10.55 | hax | zebalin4: restarted it, still no new printer... tried to add a new printer... i now have 0 choices for 'manufacturer' |
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| 05:11.26 | daurnimator | DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
| 05:11.33 | hax | ... |
| 05:11.34 | zebalin4 | hax: maybe you have to restart kde ... alt-ctl-backsp? |
| 05:11.36 | daurnimator | lol |
| 05:11.37 | daurnimator | pwned |
| 05:11.48 | hax | daurnimator: umm, what? |
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| 05:11.56 | hax | zebalin4: maybe, i'm gonna try that next |
| 05:11.59 | zebalin4 | what is going on? |
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| 05:12.06 | daurnimator | anyway, i was wondering what tv functionalitys debian has out of the box |
| 05:12.09 | zebalin4 | what does dcc send do? |
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| 05:12.15 | hax | zebalin4: looks like daurnimator is fucking with bots |
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| 05:12.25 | daurnimator | DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 makes people with netgear routers quit |
| 05:12.48 | zebalin4 | hax: there are more assholes on this group than any other on IRC. |
| 05:12.51 | hax | daurnimator: why? |
| 05:12.55 | daurnimator | no idea |
| 05:13.01 | daurnimator | loil |
| 05:13.06 | daurnimator | try it in any big channel |
| 05:13.10 | hax | daurnimator: propbably some upnp nonsense |
| 05:13.16 | hax | daurnimator: its not funny btw, and you shuldn't do that |
| 05:13.23 | daurnimator | just wanted to have fun |
| 05:13.24 | daurnimator | :P |
| 05:13.28 | daurnimator | anyway, i was wondering what tv functionalitys debian has out of the box |
| 05:13.42 | hax | zebalin4: agreed |
| 05:13.47 | hax | zebalin4: okay, i guess i'm restarting kde |
| 05:13.48 | hax | brb |
| 05:14.23 | zebalin4 | hax: have you tried in a web browser: http://localhost:631/ |
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| 05:18.19 | hax | zebalin4: i restarted kde, damn thing still doesnt work |
| 05:18.37 | hax | zebalin4: yeah, i can get to the cups thing that way |
| 05:18.39 | zebalin4 | hax: did you get ALL the foomatic stuff.. the db and everything? |
| 05:18.45 | hax | zebalin4: yes |
| 05:19.04 | zebalin4 | hax: so when you go to the kde printer manager, it does not have what? |
| 05:19.07 | ariel77 | there is a debian server that automatically logs people into debian |
| 05:19.41 | mrpickles | ariel, is that a font or a mermaid ? |
| 05:19.45 | hax | zebalin4: okay, i open it up, i click to add a printer, it finds it on the usb port... i click okay, it has two empty panes, the leftmost one is manufacturing |
| 05:19.57 | hax | zebalin4: it used to say 'esd' there, and you told me it should say things like 'hp' and 'epson' |
| 05:20.06 | hax | zebalin4: i installed all that foomatic stuff, now that pane is entirely blank |
| 05:20.14 | zebalin4 | hax: sould be a drop down box with a list of manuf. |
| 05:20.26 | hax | zebalin4: yup, its there, and totally blank |
| 05:21.29 | zebalin4 | hax: ok, so you are missing one of the foomatic packages or cups packages. |
| 05:22.02 | hax | zebalin4: i am definitely not missing any package named foomatic* |
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| 05:22.30 | hax | zebalin4: and i installed both cupsys and cupsys-client |
| 05:22.30 | zebalin4 | hax: do you use synaptic as your package manager? |
| 05:22.36 | hax | zebalin4: i use apt-get |
| 05:22.56 | zebalin4 | hax: do you have cupsomatic-ppd? |
| 05:23.08 | Stevie | I believe I have thoroughly hosed up my system |
| 05:23.14 | hax | zebalin4: no |
| 05:23.19 | hax | Package cupsomatic-ppd is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 05:23.26 | zebalin4 | hax: make it easy on yourself and apt-get install synaptic and use that. |
| 05:23.37 | hax | zebalin4: it says foomatic-filters replaces it, and i have that |
| 05:24.00 | hax | zebalin4: yeah, okay, whatever, as long as i can print, i don't care, i'm installing synaptic |
| 05:24.04 | zebalin4 | hax: yeah, you're rignt on that. |
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| 05:24.24 | hax | zebalin4: i've been usind debian since potato, just never had to print before |
| 05:24.24 | bsims | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.36 | bighorn | can someone point me to a working preferences file for ra2500 wifi for an open network? |
| 05:25.00 | hax | zebalin4: eww, this synaptic thing is nasty looking |
| 05:25.00 | zebalin4 | hax: ok, well I'm no expert but cups should be slam-dunk once you have all the cups and foomatic crap. |
| 05:25.18 | hax | zebalin4: you just tell me what to do, its super important that i can print something tonight |
| 05:25.22 | zebalin4 | hax: it's a nice front-end to apt-get. do a search on 'cups' |
| 05:25.47 | hax | zebalin4: okay |
| 05:25.52 | hax | zebalin4: just install everything there thats about cups? |
| 05:25.53 | mrpickles | zebalin, hello |
| 05:25.57 | bsims | zebalin4: install cups, libgutenprint and foomatic |
| 05:26.02 | bsims | zebalin4: yeah |
| 05:26.20 | zebalin4 | hax: you should have all the foo stuff installed now. Does it say you are missing anyting? |
| 05:26.25 | hax | zebalin4: should i install printconf? |
| 05:26.33 | hax | zebalin4: the gutendrivers, but i'll get them |
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| 05:26.47 | zebalin4 | hax: no. I don't hapve printconf. |
| 05:27.10 | hax | zebalin4: k |
| 05:27.10 | zebalin4 | hax: I have the guten stuff but I don't know if they are necessary. |
| 05:27.16 | hax | zebalin4: k, sec |
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| 05:27.26 | hax | zebalin4: now we should be working at the same place |
| 05:27.37 | hax | zebalin4: btw, i have no idea why kde even has a hand in this |
| 05:27.45 | Red_Cloud | I have now returned with the results of the xdm.log. I am having trouble connecting to my X server. The xdm.log reports (1.) Failed to load "xtt" module (Module does not exits) (2) xf860OperSerial; Cannot open device /dev/input/mice no such device. (3) Configured Mouse: cannot open input device (4) PreInit failed for Input Device "Configured Mouse" No Core Pointer. Help? |
| 05:27.46 | hax | zebalin4: i mean, shouldnt kde just know "okay! cups printer! lets go!"? |
| 05:28.04 | bsims | hax: cause kde provides its own print tool but I just use the web interface |
| 05:28.10 | zebalin4 | hax: this is debian sid. You get to break it yourself. |
| 05:28.41 | hax | zebalin4: heh |
| 05:28.49 | zebalin4 | bsims: kde does not have a print tool of it's own. It uses either lpr or cups, TTBOMK. |
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| 05:29.02 | hax | zebalin4: i have lpr installed too, maybe i shouldnt? |
| 05:29.05 | bsims | zebalin4: I meant its own cups config too |
| 05:29.25 | zebalin4 | hax: leave lpr alone. It is fine. |
| 05:29.36 | bsims | hax: I don't have it but it shouldn't hurt anything |
| 05:29.45 | hax | zebalin4: oh, i think we have a winner |
| 05:29.52 | hax | zebalin4: now its appearing under 'other' |
| 05:29.55 | hax | zebalin4: instead of 'usb' |
| 05:30.02 | hax | zebalin4: and i've got a full list of manufacturers |
| 05:30.03 | zebalin4 | hax: you sure you have hpijs and hpoj and hplip? |
| 05:30.09 | hax | zebalin4: yes |
| 05:30.27 | bsims | Ah interesting I have hever used a USB printer on linux mine is either parallel port or network |
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| 05:31.00 | zebalin4 | hax: now we're into hardware stuff... and I'm not good on that. I assume you have udev and hal and pmount and dbus all running and up to date? |
| 05:31.12 | hax | zebalin4: wait, i think its doing a thing |
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| 05:31.27 | hax | zebalin4: now it's giving me user authentication failed, even for root |
| 05:31.35 | hax | zebalin4: but i think its got the printer right |
| 05:31.43 | hax | zebalin4: how do i tell cups 'let hax print'? |
| 05:32.04 | zebalin4 | hax: failed? You entered "root' and then the password? |
| 05:32.09 | hax | zebalin4: yes |
| 05:32.24 | zebalin4 | hax: hmmmm. |
| 05:32.32 | zebalin4 | hax: not good. |
| 05:32.34 | hax | oh wait |
| 05:32.36 | hax | its going now |
| 05:32.38 | hax | that was odd |
| 05:32.41 | hax | maybe something needed to clear out |
| 05:32.41 | zebalin4 | hax: what is going? |
| 05:32.43 | hax | oor something |
| 05:32.45 | hax | zebalin4: the printer |
| 05:32.46 | hax | its making a page |
| 05:32.48 | hax | yay! |
| 05:32.51 | hax | :) |
| 05:32.59 | hax | zebalin4: but how do i have it so all my people who use this computer don't need to know the root password? |
| 05:32.59 | zebalin4 | hax: what was the last thing you did or installed? |
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| 05:33.20 | zebalin4 | hax: not to worry. You only need root while in the kde add a printer wiz. |
| 05:33.24 | hax | zebalin4: i set a 'printout mode' to use 300dpi grayscale |
| 05:33.30 | hax | zebalin4: and it authorized after that |
| 05:33.39 | bsims | Hrm anyone know a way to extract the ppd.tgz from a apple driver? I couldn't mount the apple driver via loopback on ext3 |
| 05:33.42 | hax | zebalin4: ah, wonderful |
| 05:33.47 | zebalin4 | hax: open up kate (as a user, not root) and type something and print something. |
| 05:34.11 | hax | zebalin4: fantastic |
| 05:34.12 | Stevie | hrm |
| 05:34.14 | zebalin4 | hax: (make sure you choose the right printer in the print dialogue) |
| 05:34.20 | hax | zebalin4: its all good now :) |
| 05:34.27 | hax | zebalin4: ty so much, couldnt have done it without yet |
| 05:34.28 | hax | *you |
| 05:34.31 | zebalin4 | hax: does kate or some editor work. |
| 05:34.48 | hax | zebalin4: yeah, but i'd like to know how to print on the commandline too |
| 05:34.55 | hax | zebalin4: i mean, i do all my editing in vim anyway... |
| 05:35.00 | hax | zebalin4: does lpr still work? |
| 05:35.07 | zebalin4 | hax: lpr souuld work. |
| 05:35.29 | zebalin4 | hax: try it and let me know |
| 05:35.41 | hax | zebalin4: its just supposed to be 'lpr filename.txt', right? |
| 05:35.52 | zebalin4 | hax: ttbomk. |
| 05:36.21 | zebalin4 | hax: I never print from command line so I'm not sure. |
| 05:36.55 | hax | zebalin4: yeah, lpr doesnt seem to work, probably a configuration thing |
| 05:36.56 | bsims | hax: yeah |
| 05:37.30 | bsims | also get muttprint it's uber for printing from the command line it uses TeX so it looks professional |
| 05:37.50 | hax | bsims: will do |
| 05:37.58 | hax | bsims: can my deskjet thing take postscript? |
| 05:38.19 | bsims | hax: most likely not... probably PCL though |
| 05:38.40 | hax | bsims: whats pcl? |
| 05:38.54 | hax | zebalin4: how do i make a new cups admin who has root permssions for the printers? |
| 05:38.59 | zebalin4 | hax: it should take ps. I think linxuprinting.org said that the 1300 series does not know pcl |
| 05:39.06 | hax | oh |
| 05:39.09 | bsims | Printer Control Language a simplified non turing complete sucessor to postscript |
| 05:39.56 | zebalin4 | hax: not sure about cups admin. Not sure it has its own admin stuff. You will have to read up on it. It may be in localhost:631 |
| 05:39.57 | hax | works in kde |
| 05:39.59 | hax | good enough for now |
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| 05:40.07 | hax | zebalin4: hrm, ok |
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| 05:40.35 | bsims | hax: I just figure its magic and have enscribed a penticle on the inside of his computer case to keep the magic in |
| 05:40.46 | zebalin4 | hax: I don't know what driver you chose, but in my experinec the one suggested by kde is not always the best one. linxuprinting.org is usually more accurate on this. |
| 05:40.50 | hax | bsims: i'm okay with that |
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| 05:41.03 | hax | zebalin4: i'm chalking this one up to pure magic |
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| 05:41.22 | zebalin4 | hax: what drive did you pick: hpijs? |
| 05:41.48 | zebalin4 | hax: lots of folks really hate cups becaue it is so complex but over the years it has done well for me. |
| 05:41.52 | Stevie | Haha |
| 05:41.56 | Stevie | I DID IT |
| 05:42.16 | Red_Cloud | I am having troubles with connection to X server after upgrading from sarge to testing. All was well until I upgraded several additional packages and now I am locked out of my kdm kde. I have pasted the results of xdm.log http://channels.debian.net/paste/1979 Would someone be kind enough to help? |
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| 05:42.32 | hax | zebalin4: i honeslty dont even know what i picked |
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| 05:42.44 | hax | zebalin4: i installed everything i could |
| 05:42.50 | hax | zebalin4: then picked the best thing i could off the list |
| 05:42.55 | hax | zebalin4: and it 'just worked' |
| 05:42.57 | zebalin4 | hax: go to the kde printer manager and I think it will tell you. Not sure. |
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| 05:43.30 | hax | zebalin4: foomatic/hpijs |
| 05:43.36 | Trashcan | DCC SEND "KHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNN O O |
| 05:43.38 | Trashcan | oh wait |
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| 05:43.40 | Trashcan | i like debian |
| 05:43.41 | Trashcan | sorry |
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| 05:43.44 | hax | ... |
| 05:43.46 | zebalin4 | hax: I use the same one. |
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| 05:44.07 | hax | zebalin4: it works, good enough for me :) |
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| 05:44.11 | Xenguy | trashcan: die |
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| 05:44.27 | hax | zebalin4: now i can move on to more productive things |
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| 05:44.45 | bsims | hax: like Uselessnet and IRCrack? |
| 05:44.53 | zebalin4 | hax: on my old HP 5p KDE recommends another more modern driver... but it barfs at doing envelopes in OpenOffice so I want back to hpijs |
| 05:45.00 | hax | bsims: inded |
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| 05:45.02 | hax | *indeed |
| 05:45.29 | Stevie | Who wants to see something crazy? |
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| 05:45.49 | zebalin4 | hax: here is a tip. Next time you install debian, allow tasksel to install "print server'. The debian installer does a great job of installing cups and finding your printer and it all just works out of the box. |
| 05:46.09 | hax | zebalin4: i had no idea |
| 05:46.09 | zebalin4 | hax: it's the only thing tasksel does well!! |
| 05:46.13 | hax | zebalin4: i'll remember that |
| 05:46.14 | hax | hah |
| 05:46.16 | Stevie | tasksel does something well? |
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| 05:46.27 | zebalin4 | Stevie: it does cups really, really well. |
| 05:46.34 | Stevie | Neat. |
| 05:46.55 | zebalin4 | Stevie: it f--ks up everything else... but with cups it is good. |
| 05:47.03 | Stevie | lol |
| 05:47.12 | Stevie | hey zebalin4, take a look at this :) http://klozoff.ms11.net/pictures/uml-debian-install-2.png |
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| 05:47.27 | Red_Cloud | I am having troubles with connection to X server after upgrading from sarge to testing. All was well until I upgraded several additional packages and now I am locked out of my kdm kde. I have pasted the results of xdm.log http://channels.debian.net/paste/1979 Would someone be kind enough to help? |
| 05:48.33 | zebalin4 | Stevie: it does not see your eth card? Or are you wireless? |
| 05:48.49 | Stevie | zebalin4: look at the outer edges of the screenshot |
| 05:48.58 | zebalin4 | Red_Cloud: how did you upgrade? |
| 05:49.31 | Stevie | specifically, the very top |
| 05:49.36 | zebalin4 | Stevie: the scroll bar? Where did that come from? |
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| 05:50.16 | Stevie | hehe |
| 05:50.16 | Red_Cloud | zebalin4 using Synaptic. All was well but I decided to upgrade several more packages and over-did it I guess. |
| 05:50.33 | zebalin4 | Red_Cloud: did you do a 'smart' upgrade? |
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| 05:50.47 | weasel00 | what is the correct link for secure-testing-master.debian.net for apt-get? |
| 05:50.49 | Macca | DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
| 05:50.57 | hax | okay, i need some sleep |
| 05:51.00 | hax | zebalin4: ty again for the help |
| 05:51.03 | zebalin4 | Stevie: you are running tasksel in a terminal window? |
| 05:51.04 | Red_Cloud | zebalin4 I believe that that was the option that I used. |
| 05:51.10 | hax | zebalin4: now i can get some rest :) |
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| 05:51.14 | zebalin4 | hax: are you all done? Everything works? |
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| 05:51.33 | hax | zebalin4: all done, all works great |
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| 05:51.36 | hax | zebalin4: couldn't be happier |
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| 05:51.56 | Stevie | zebalin4: No. That's the Debian Installer from the CD. |
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| 05:52.11 | zebalin4 | hax: ok, glad I could help. Sorry it took so long. Truth be told, mostly I run Kanotix when not in Etch. Kanotix does all this crap for you at install! |
| 05:52.41 | zebalin4 | Stevie: this must be the latest build of the installer? |
| 05:52.46 | hax | zebalin4: lol |
| 05:52.59 | Stevie | zebalin4: hrm, I really don't know. |
| 05:53.09 | Stevie | zebalin4: It's running inside a UML. |
| 05:53.12 | zebalin4 | hax: debian etch is my hobby. Kanotix is my work-horse distro where I do my real work!! |
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| 05:53.35 | hax | zebalin4: i'm getting a mac soon, thats where i intend to do my real work :) |
| 05:53.41 | zebalin4 | Stevie: UML? To me that is universal modeling language?? |
| 05:53.47 | Stevie | !uml |
| 05:53.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches, and has a woody->sarge converter at http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
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| 05:54.17 | zebalin4 | hax: when Apple bring out an intel dual core G5 I could go that route too. The dual core mini is interesting... but overpriced. |
| 05:54.38 | hax | zebalin4: i'm getting a 20" imac |
| 05:54.51 | hax | zebalin4: they're sexy as hell |
| 05:54.54 | unstable | http://gallery.colofinder.net/albums/tech-funny/powerbook_g5.thumb.jpg |
| 05:54.55 | zebalin4 | Stevie: I see. Pretty interesting. |
| 05:55.05 | hax | zebalin4: a little pricey, like everything mac, but damn sexy |
| 05:55.23 | unstable | Does the G5 have TPM or any trusted computing technologies in it? |
| 05:55.44 | zebalin4 | hax: but can you leave an imac on 24/7? will it burn out? Also I think the monitor is too high and you can adjust it. Not sure I could see it well with current glasses. I'm older than God! |
| 05:56.00 | Stevie | zebalin4: http://klozoff.ms11.net/pictures/uml-debian-install-3.png |
| 05:56.42 | Stevie | let me see if I can do any other fancy stuff |
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| 05:57.05 | hax | zebalin4: yeah, i'm sure you can leave it on, i leave everything on |
| 05:57.27 | hax | zebalin4: i thought the monitor was fine, and you can adjust it pretty well |
| 05:57.30 | zebalin4 | hax: I like my monitor 'low' and the iMac looks like the screen is about 8 inches above the desktop. |
| 05:57.34 | hax | zebalin4: i actually really liked the monitor |
| 05:57.42 | hax | zebalin4: yeah, i guess it does appear that way, but i think it tilts down |
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| 05:57.43 | zebalin4 | hax: you can tilt it but can you raise and lower it? |
| 05:57.52 | hax | zebalin4: i think it like pivots for that |
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| 05:57.56 | hax | zebalin4: i'm not really sure |
| 05:58.00 | hax | i played with it in the store for like 2 seconds |
| 05:58.01 | hax | heh |
| 05:58.12 | hax | zebalin4: i'm just pumped for osx |
| 05:58.14 | zebalin4 | hax: won't help my old eyes. |
| 05:58.23 | hax | zebalin4: its finally a really mature OS, and you can do so much cool with it |
| 05:58.45 | zebalin4 | hax: but you pay through the ass for it and all the hardware is so prop. |
| 05:59.11 | hax | zebalin4: its actually pc5400, sata hd, usb devices, and an intel core |
| 05:59.18 | hax | zebalin4: so... its really not that proprietary anymore |
| 05:59.31 | zebalin4 | hax: what are you going to do with the mac you can't do with linux? Are you a professional graphic artist or something? |
| 05:59.51 | hax | zebalin4: no, but i work with one, and i need flash more than anything right now |
| 06:00.13 | zebalin4 | hax: note that the drives are slow... 5400 rpm. |
| 06:00.16 | hax | zebalin4: plus i have to be able to open all his files and such |
| 06:00.35 | zebalin4 | hax: then get a mini and save a few bucks. |
| 06:00.45 | hax | zebalin4: ehh, i'm okay with that, 250gb hd |
| 06:00.52 | hax | zebalin4: the mini has a god awful gfx card |
| 06:01.04 | hax | zebalin4: 64mb intel onboard |
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| 06:01.32 | zebalin4 | hax: it would be good enough for me since I don't do much in the way of graphics. |
| 06:01.46 | hax | zebalin4: yeah, true |
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| 06:01.58 | hax | zebalin4: i hope to be running dual displays at some point |
| 06:02.01 | hax | zebalin4: if business is good |
| 06:02.24 | mike-_- | hi, whats up with udev and unstable and the latest kernel? been mucking about with this for a while but udev says it requires a kernel and the kernel needs udev .... |
| 06:02.34 | zebalin4 | hax: I own a small book publishing company (www.adams-blake.com) and we farm out our graphics work to www.bookwrights.com |
| 06:02.57 | hax | zebalin4: i'm going to be doing web design |
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| 06:03.23 | zebalin4 | hax: well then you really don't need high-res monitor/graphics for web stuff. |
| 06:03.26 | hax | zebalin4: i got a gfx guy i work with, but i need to be able to see wtf is going on and write some actionscript and hack some stuff together in photoshop |
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| 06:03.41 | hax | zebalin4: i've gotten to the point where i need high res to coe |
| 06:03.42 | hax | *code |
| 06:03.56 | hax | zebalin4: i keep so much stuff open, its pretty much a requirement to have 20" of realestate |
| 06:04.01 | zebalin4 | hax: again, a mini will get you there... but if you have the money for a iMac than to for it. |
| 06:04.05 | hax | zebalin4: i'd really like another 20" |
| 06:04.11 | weasel00 | running apt-get to update the system errors out on "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb" any advice? |
| 06:04.11 | hax | zebalin4: imac's in the mail already :) |
| 06:04.36 | hax | zebalin4: i'm not so down with the mini thing, i foresee problems |
| 06:04.58 | zebalin4 | hax: I also do a lot of coding (see http://www.jaya123.com) and a good IDE does the trick for me. |
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| 06:05.12 | hax | zebalin4: what ide do you use? |
| 06:05.53 | zebalin4 | hax: I tend to like eclipse. I do mostly PHP so most of the time Kate gets me where I need to go. But Eclipse is great for java. |
| 06:06.08 | hax | zebalin4: you can pimp eclipse out for php |
| 06:06.19 | hax | zebalin4: i can only really code in vim though without going nutty |
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| 06:06.44 | hax | zebalin4: like, 20" widescreen, and it'll probably be one huge vim window most of the time |
| 06:06.56 | zebalin4 | hax: I know. but I wrote 200,000 lines of PHP for Jaya123 in a text editor so I don't really need an IDE except for convieniece. |
| 06:07.03 | hax | zebalin4: ouch |
| 06:07.06 | hax | heh |
| 06:07.12 | hax | zebalin4: is it OO? |
| 06:07.56 | zebalin4 | hax: I used nedit for most of it. PHP is almost OO... not quite. |
| 06:08.18 | hax | zebalin4: heh |
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| 06:08.28 | hax | zebalin4: i'm moving towards rails development |
| 06:08.54 | zebalin4 | hax: ruby is nice... but rails is sort of a kludge. |
| 06:09.18 | unstable | All the programming languages are named after women now |
| 06:09.34 | zebalin4 | hax: ajax is more hype than substance right now. Take a look at lazerus (sp) or the new Flash. |
| 06:09.42 | unstable | I guess that's better then the Ubuntu release names... "Breezy Badger" sounds like a douche kit brand name you buy a a woman's store |
| 06:09.49 | hax | zebalin4: laszlo |
| 06:09.56 | hax | zebalin4: and i don't think ajax is a kludge |
| 06:10.01 | zebalin4 | hax: yeah, that's it. |
| 06:10.06 | hax | zebalin4: i think the name ajax is a kludge... but its been around forever |
| 06:10.13 | zebalin4 | hax: lazurus makes pascal. |
| 06:10.19 | hax | zebalin4: and as far as laszlo, its great for 'add-in' type things |
| 06:10.22 | hax | heh |
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| 06:10.58 | zebalin4 | hax: problem with ajax is that it is very insecure and the browser back button will eat your lunch. |
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| 06:11.52 | hax | zebalin4: its no more insecure than anything else |
| 06:11.54 | zebalin4 | hax: ajax is great for 'wow' sort of sites, but for business applications like jaya123.com, it is just not there. |
| 06:12.01 | hax | zebalin4: and you're not suppoesd to use it for things that require a back button |
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| 06:12.10 | hax | zebalin4: but, btw, you can hack the back button to work with targets |
| 06:12.19 | zebalin4 | hax: anything client-side is insecure by definition. |
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| 06:12.31 | hax | zebalin4: its not used for processing anything |
| 06:12.50 | hax | zebalin4: its not used for anything that conventional multiple page requests arent |
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| 06:13.04 | zebalin4 | hax: will I have to take your word on it as I've not messed much with ajax. I just read a lot. |
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| 06:13.32 | FarrisG | does anyone recall the command to till exim4 to resend everything currently in its queue? |
| 06:13.38 | unstable | Google uses ajax out the wazoo that's all I know. |
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| 06:14.03 | zebalin4 | hax: I'm almost 60 and have been programming since 1974 and I've seen a lot of 'hot paradigms' like ajax come... and go! |
| 06:14.32 | Stevie | hey zebalin4 |
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| 06:14.36 | hax | zebalin4: okay, you've definitely got 40 years on me, but ajax (when properly used) doesn't really have issues |
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| 06:14.45 | zebalin4 | unstable: : only for their maps |
| 06:14.49 | hax | zebalin4: btw, way to be 60 and on irc, bonus points for not getting old |
| 06:15.06 | Stevie | I have to agree with hax on this. |
| 06:15.12 | zebalin4 | hax: uhh... 58... not YET 60!!! |
| 06:15.15 | Stevie | lol |
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| 06:15.25 | hax | zebalin4: just saying, good you're still on irc |
| 06:15.26 | dsr | has anyone tried installing on a sparc recently ? |
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| 06:15.45 | dsr | i get weird "MMU miss" errors on 2.6 |
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| 06:15.53 | dsr | _2.6 kernels_ |
| 06:15.57 | Stevie | I tried installing on a Spark but it discharged before I could complete the installation |
| 06:16.06 | zebalin4 | hax: I was on the net almost 20 years ago when it was only for geeks. |
| 06:16.09 | SimonRaven | zebalin4: that's my take on it. i don't like it though since it offloads peoples' data onto the servers, more so than now even, and there's privacy issues with that, imo |
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| 06:16.27 | hax | zebalin4: crazy |
| 06:16.29 | SimonRaven | (WRT ajax and related techs) |
| 06:16.40 | Stevie | anyway |
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| 06:16.50 | Stevie | hey zebalin4 |
| 06:16.52 | dsr | Stevie: have you given on ? |
| 06:16.57 | dsr | _gien up_ ? |
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| 06:16.59 | zebalin4 | Stevie: yeah? |
| 06:17.01 | Stevie | given up on what? |
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| 06:17.05 | Stevie | zebalin4: take a look at: http://klozoff.ms11.net/pictures/uml-debian-install-4.png |
| 06:17.10 | dsr | on debian on a sparc machine ? |
| 06:17.18 | bemag | hey everyone |
| 06:17.39 | bemag | im having trouble to configure the X |
| 06:17.56 | zebalin4 | Stevie: what am I supposed to be seeing? |
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| 06:18.10 | hax | zebalin4: with all that experience coding... have you been through smalltalk? |
| 06:18.16 | Stevie | zebalin4: the top half of the window is the UML running the installer |
| 06:18.21 | bemag | someone can hemp me out? |
| 06:18.25 | bemag | help |
| 06:18.31 | deadcat | dont panic |
| 06:18.36 | zebalin4 | hax: no, somehow I missed smalltalk and lisp. No money in it... ever. |
| 06:18.41 | hax | zebalin4: lol |
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| 06:18.49 | hax | zebalin4: oh, so you're *that* kind of programmer ;) |
| 06:18.50 | Stevie | zebalin4: the bottom half is another process (top) on the real machine |
| 06:19.09 | zebalin4 | Stevie: how did you do that?? |
| 06:19.19 | bemag | fatal server error:no screens found |
| 06:19.21 | zebalin4 | hax: I am 'that' kind. I have a very expensive wife! |
| 06:19.27 | hax | zebalin4: hah |
| 06:19.28 | Stevie | zebalin4: UML is cool. |
| 06:19.35 | Stevie | also, it took quite a bit of effort |
| 06:19.53 | bemag | please |
| 06:20.00 | Stevie | First I had to find a custom-built version of the sarge install cd with 2.6.15 |
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| 06:20.05 | zebalin4 | Stevie: I can see. Will Debian adopt this? Doubut it. |
| 06:20.19 | deadcat | bemag: which branch, what card, what driver you using? |
| 06:20.21 | zebalin4 | bemag: what is your problem? |
| 06:20.22 | Stevie | because my UML is 2.6.15, which doesn't have devfs, which the normal cds use |
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| 06:20.35 | Stevie | then i had to get the initrd out of the iso |
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| 06:20.43 | Stevie | but I did it :) |
| 06:20.58 | zebalin4 | Stevie: very nice... but to what great practical purpose is all of this? |
| 06:21.00 | virtu | on m-a -ai spca5xx I am getting an error message because kernel header |
| 06:21.02 | bemag | i'm trying to configure the X |
| 06:21.16 | Stevie | hrm |
| 06:21.19 | hax | does anyone here use UML? and if so, what tools to draw it? |
| 06:21.23 | Stevie | zebalin4: practical? |
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| 06:21.33 | zebalin4 | bemag: configure x to do what? Have you looked at xorg.conf? |
| 06:21.39 | Stevie | it's 1:21am on friday/saturday. There's no way in hell I'm going to do anything practical right now |
| 06:21.47 | bemag | i installed the packages ans i cant figure out why it doesnt work |
| 06:21.51 | zebalin4 | Stevie: yeah, it's a concept that we who work for a living use :-) |
| 06:22.06 | FarrisG | how do you tell exim4/runq to send all items in queue now, regardless of retry times? |
| 06:22.08 | Stevie | Practical can happen M-F 9-5 |
| 06:22.19 | bemag | what is xorg.conf? |
| 06:22.30 | Stevie | I am presently outside of that time interval |
| 06:22.41 | zebalin4 | bemag: start from beginning. what are you running... stable, testing, sid? What did you install? What did you do? What is the problem. Be logicla here. |
| 06:22.42 | hax | actually, i really am falling asleep |
| 06:22.45 | hax | time to call it a night |
| 06:22.45 | zebalin4 | *logical |
| 06:22.47 | hax | thanks again zebalin4 |
| 06:22.54 | zebalin4 | hax: glad I could help. |
| 06:23.08 | bemag | ok...let me see |
| 06:23.35 | bemag | im runnig the sarge stable version... |
| 06:23.57 | bemag | i already installed the x-window-system package |
| 06:24.08 | twisted` | how can I kill the beep the console makes? |
| 06:24.09 | bemag | gnome-session package |
| 06:24.17 | Stevie | probably with setterm |
| 06:24.18 | deadcat | twisted`: setterm -blength 0 |
| 06:24.35 | zebalin4 | bemag: so? |
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| 06:24.58 | Stevie | setterm -blength 0 |
| 06:25.00 | deadcat | bemag: what videocard? what driver you use? i asked you earlier |
| 06:25.03 | Stevie | hehe |
| 06:25.07 | Red_Cloud | I am having troubles with connection to X server after upgrading from sarge to testing. All was well until I upgraded several additional packages and now I am locked out of my kdm kde. I have pasted the results of xdm.log http://channels.debian.net/paste/1979 Would someone be kind enough to help? |
| 06:25.09 | deadcat | Stevie: you slow (= |
| 06:25.13 | zebalin4 | bemag: get to the point already :-) |
| 06:25.15 | twisted` | deadcat: thanks |
| 06:25.17 | bemag | when i type startx in the console an error message shows up |
| 06:25.19 | Stevie | deadcat: I had to open up another terminal |
| 06:25.27 | Stevie | deadcat: Have you been looking at my screenshots? :) |
| 06:25.30 | deadcat | bemag: dammit. answer the question |
| 06:25.46 | zebalin4 | Red_Cloud: let me look. |
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| 06:25.53 | bemag | wait...sorry |
| 06:26.06 | bemag | im using ATI radeon 9600 |
| 06:26.21 | bemag | what u mean by driver? |
| 06:26.26 | deadcat | Stevie: link me again. |
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| 06:26.38 | Stevie | deadcat: http://klozoff.ms11.net/pictures/uml-debian-install-4.png |
| 06:26.43 | deadcat | oh that (= |
| 06:26.53 | Stevie | hehe |
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| 06:27.01 | hyperstream | anyone know how to fix this issue: Xgl: error while loading shared libraries: libXfont.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 06:27.02 | deadcat | Stevie: damn. via screen eh? hardcore |
| 06:27.14 | Stevie | Via UML. |
| 06:27.16 | weasel00 | how do i get past a "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb (--unpack)" error... its holding up 200+ pkg updates :( |
| 06:27.29 | deadcat | bemag: egrep -i "ati|radeon|fx" /etc/X11/*.org |
| 06:27.50 | zebalin4 | Red_Cloud: first of all you did an upgrade without saving a copy of your xfree86.conf. Anyway, I assume you can get into a terminal mode, log in as root, and edit xorg.conf and fix the mouse entries. |
| 06:27.54 | deadcat | Stevie: i dont even know whats uml |
| 06:28.01 | SimonRaven | !uml |
| 06:28.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches, and has a woody->sarge converter at http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
| 06:28.18 | _keroppi_ | Does anyone know where to actually get libdvdcss2? It's been moved, and it's not in uboto's question and answer wiki thing |
| 06:28.25 | Coweater | weasel00: try deleting the file, it'll force it to refetch a hopefully good copy |
| 06:28.28 | zebalin4 | Stevie: how different is UML from virtualization? |
| 06:28.29 | deadcat | SimonRaven: hmm. so i can install debian on my scholl slackware server? (= |
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| 06:28.55 | bemag | when i type startx in the console an error message shows up "fatal server error : no screens found" |
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| 06:29.18 | deadcat | bemag: answer the goddamn question before complaining about your damn startx error |
| 06:29.41 | deadcat | hyperstream: debian dont have xgl |
| 06:29.48 | deadcat | hyperstream: you using ubuntu? |
| 06:29.52 | hyperstream | no |
| 06:29.53 | TraceGreen | Hello, how can i seel my size of memory? |
| 06:29.55 | Red_Cloud | zebalin4 yes I have terminal mode and login. I have looked at xorg.conf and will tackle it in the morning. It is quite a data intensive file. Do you think that the mouse entries and keyboard entries are what might be creating my problems? |
| 06:29.59 | SimonRaven | _keroppi_: #ubuntu |
| 06:30.03 | hyperstream | im trying to get the xgl compiz thingo working |
| 06:30.09 | bemag | deadcat: i already answer to you ( my videocard is ATI radeon 9600) |
| 06:30.10 | _keroppi_ | SimonRaven: Oops, wrong tab in xchat, sorry about that |
| 06:30.13 | hyperstream | its unsupported by debian? |
| 06:30.23 | SimonRaven | this isn't #ubuntu |
| 06:30.25 | deadcat | bemag: i said run the grep command. |
| 06:30.36 | TraceGreen | i cat /proc/memory, and it told me : MemTotal: 1036116 kB, actually, my memory is 512MB, but the number seems told me my memory is 1G. |
| 06:30.38 | SimonRaven | _keroppi_: np |
| 06:30.43 | bemag | deadcat: just that? |
| 06:30.45 | hyperstream | deadcat, ? |
| 06:30.48 | deadcat | hyperstream: no. its not in debian yet. |
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| 06:30.57 | DaveLib | hello i the other day installed from the sarge repositories hardinfo to my sarge system |
| 06:30.58 | deadcat | hyperstream: probably will be in less than 1 month though. |
| 06:31.02 | hyperstream | and cannot be installed in debian correct? |
| 06:31.05 | SimonRaven | hyperstream: Sid and experimental == You Are On Your Own |
| 06:31.18 | TraceGreen | can anybody tell me why? |
| 06:31.29 | deadcat | bemag: egrep -i "ati|radeon|fx" /etc/X11/XF86* |
| 06:31.42 | weasel00 | coweater : removed it and the error came back just the same |
| 06:31.47 | twisted` | for some weird reason my mouse isn't being reconised in gnome :S |
| 06:32.00 | zebalin4 | Red_Cloud: I don't see anything in the error msg about keyboard. Does it work? But mouse is killing you. Not sure what entry should be. Do you have a serial mouse?? |
| 06:32.00 | DaveLib | the description of hardinfo says it is supposed to consult /proc and prepare a window with a readable account of info about hardware |
| 06:32.35 | DaveLib | anyway it installed from synataptic with no other dependencies |
| 06:32.40 | deadcat | hyperstream: http://gravityboy.livejournal.com/22909.html |
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| 06:32.45 | bemag | deadcat: so if i type this command do you think it will work? |
| 06:33.12 | Coweater | weasel: try grabbing from a different repository or installing manually with dpkg to try and getter a better message |
| 06:33.15 | SimonRaven | bah |
| 06:33.23 | Coweater | weasel00 ^ |
| 06:33.37 | DaveLib | but i go to run it it opens two windows with some titles in the the first windows no content in the 2nd window and then a second later has a segmentation fault |
| 06:33.37 | deadcat | bemag: no. that command will show what driver you using |
| 06:33.40 | weasel00 | http://pastebin.com/583127 <-- entire dump message |
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| 06:34.21 | bemag | deadcat: oh ok, so when i find out what driver im using what do i do next? |
| 06:34.34 | deadcat | if its wrong change it. |
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| 06:35.06 | Coweater | weasel00: oh nothing wrong with thee package, it's a conflict, nevermind what i said |
| 06:35.27 | aboyousif | weasel00, try to use aptitude .. it is easy |
| 06:35.37 | bemag | deadcat: change it where? |
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| 06:36.00 | deadcat | bemag: that file. waht you think. |
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| 06:36.11 | weasel00 | coweater: is it an apt-get with a gui? |
| 06:36.26 | deadcat | bemag: just answer us. WHAT driver are you using right now? |
| 06:36.53 | virtu | Hi.. I need a program that use my webcam and stream to a server? |
| 06:36.55 | bemag | deadcat: sorry man, i'm new on debian i've just installed it |
| 06:36.55 | deadcat | bemag: fuck it. either post your xfree or xorg config file via pastebin or we're not gonna help you |
| 06:37.00 | Stevie | deadcat: Here's a better picture: http://klozoff.ms11.net/pictures/uml-debian-install-5.png |
| 06:37.45 | deadcat | damn |
| 06:37.53 | deadcat | looks cool. is it hard? |
| 06:37.54 | bemag | deadcat: im not on my computer right now, im running windows |
| 06:38.00 | deadcat | bemag: too bad. |
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| 06:38.08 | Stevie | is what hard? |
| 06:38.11 | _phantom | salutaions! |
| 06:38.27 | deadcat | Stevie: UML |
| 06:38.29 | Coweater | no, not entirely sure this is the best option, but someone on a mailing list reccomended installing with a force-overwrite, ie dpkg -i --force-overwrite package.deb |
| 06:38.41 | Stevie | well, getting this to start was tricky |
| 06:38.47 | deadcat | damn (= |
| 06:38.51 | Stevie | but as you can see |
| 06:38.55 | Stevie | I succeeded |
| 06:38.58 | deadcat | ya. |
| 06:39.01 | _phantom | does anyone know any big differences between Kubuntu and regular Debian Linux? |
| 06:39.09 | deadcat | _phantom: no |
| 06:39.19 | weasel00 | coweater : seems to be installing now.. its just scrolling by on the screen |
| 06:39.24 | _phantom | so they are basically the same thing then? |
| 06:39.31 | deadcat | _phantom: ya same shit |
| 06:39.40 | Stevie | actually getting anything installed will be trickier |
| 06:39.41 | deadcat | _phantom: actually the no mean i dont know |
| 06:39.49 | bemag | deadcat: just one more thing. How can i run an irc on debian console? |
| 06:39.54 | deadcat | Stevie: like devices and stuff? |
| 06:39.57 | Stevie | i'll bbl |
| 06:39.58 | deadcat | bemag: isntall irssi |
| 06:40.03 | Stevie | no like software |
| 06:40.08 | deadcat | o |
| 06:40.10 | _phantom | ok. thanks. but one more question. does anyone have an nVidia card that they run with debian or Kubuntu? |
| 06:40.10 | Stevie | I need to figure out how to setup networking |
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| 06:40.28 | deadcat | Stevie: hows that diff from a chroot? i just have a chroot debian stable on my sid |
| 06:40.35 | Stevie | deadcat: since UML only has virtual devices, those are the easiest to do |
| 06:40.35 | bemag | deadcat: ok, thanx man |
| 06:40.40 | deadcat | _phantom: no |
| 06:40.46 | deadcat | Stevie: ah |
| 06:40.49 | SimonRaven | Stevie: /msg dpkg interfaces and /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 06:40.54 | Stevie | deadcat: The difference is that in UML, you can be root, without affecting the real machine |
| 06:40.58 | weasel00 | aptitude asked about |
| 06:41.02 | deadcat | Stevie: so true (= |
| 06:41.05 | weasel00 | whoops.. scratch that |
| 06:41.13 | Stevie | SimonRaven: YOu haven't been paying close attention, have you? |
| 06:41.40 | Stevie | SimonRaven: Take a look at: http://klozoff.ms11.net/pictures/uml-debian-install-5.png |
| 06:41.42 | SimonRaven | no :). you meant in uml, didn't you :) |
| 06:41.49 | Stevie | ydx i cic |
| 06:41.50 | Stevie | err |
| 06:41.51 | Stevie | yes I did :) |
| 06:41.58 | deadcat | he never pay any attentions (= |
| 06:42.04 | Stevie | hehe |
| 06:42.21 | Stevie | SimonRaven: But look! I have LOTS of options for networking! :D |
| 06:42.35 | SimonRaven | !kill deadcat |
| 06:42.50 | weasel00 | ooooo looks like it working *cheers* |
| 06:43.03 | Stevie | i have bond0, shaper0, dummy0, eql, telq0, tunl0, gre0, sit0, and ip6tnl0 |
| 06:43.13 | deadcat | man 3ddesktop is sooo crappy compared to Xgl+compiz (= |
| 06:43.20 | Stevie | debian has no idea what any of them are, except for sit0 |
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| 06:43.45 | SimonRaven | not exactly new |
| 06:43.45 | hebek | hi |
| 06:43.52 | hebek | Hi a question: how do I enable software mixing, aka dmix, for alsa on /dev/dsp? |
| 06:43.58 | hebek | I cannot use /dev/dsp over sound wrapper simultaneously in two apps |
| 06:44.08 | deadcat | Stevie: is that how other virtual hosting companies do? they build UML for users to have root? |
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| 06:44.41 | Gnea | !dmix |
| 06:44.41 | dpkg | from memory, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 06:44.55 | SimonRaven | deadcat: when they say "virtual host" they mean uml, xen, or such |
| 06:45.20 | DaveLib | deadcat: i installed 3ddesktop the other day couldnt get it to work so what is this Xgl+cpmpiz ? |
| 06:45.30 | hebek | Gnea, thx but could you be more specific? |
| 06:45.46 | hebek | oh ok nevermind |
| 06:45.53 | DaveLib | s/cpmpiz/compiz/ |
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| 06:46.07 | deadcat | SimonRaven: no, i mean like some company you can sign up for an account where you get root on the system but that is all virtual.. i dont know how to explain it |
| 06:46.22 | deadcat | DaveLib: because you dont have opengl (= |
| 06:46.27 | SimonRaven | i know exactly what you mean |
| 06:46.32 | deadcat | oh. |
| 06:46.46 | deadcat | so they use xen or uml eh? very cool. |
| 06:46.46 | SimonRaven | DaveLib: something too new for you to be asking about :P |
| 06:46.56 | SimonRaven | yeh, duh |
| 06:46.58 | deadcat | DaveLib: let me link you to demo |
| 06:47.04 | deadcat | DaveLib: you will wet your pants (= |
| 06:47.27 | deadcat | DaveLib: you will say 3ddesktop is shit after watching this: http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi |
| 06:47.27 | SimonRaven | they buy some crappy little p4 with a bunch of ram and hdd space and set up uml on it |
| 06:47.29 | DaveLib | deadcat: i do have opengl for running celestia-gnome which runs ok on my system but i think i prob dont have acceleration |
| 06:47.33 | SimonRaven | or other shit |
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| 06:47.36 | hebek | Gnea, i tried that page, it did not work |
| 06:47.40 | deadcat | SimonRaven: hehe. |
| 06:47.45 | Gnea | hebek: which page? |
| 06:47.47 | SimonRaven | !doesn't work |
| 06:47.47 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 06:48.19 | hebek | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 06:48.28 | DaveLib | deadcat: thanks for the link checking it now... |
| 06:48.28 | deadcat | DaveLib: maybe you didnt config your x config file to load the right module and disable the ones you dont need |
| 06:48.31 | SimonRaven | thank $DEITY for sppedycgi/perperl |
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| 06:48.38 | SimonRaven | speedy* |
| 06:49.23 | hebek | i can use the dsp, it works ok with oss wrapper but not the simultaneous access |
| 06:49.41 | Gnea | hebek: what about the other urls? |
| 06:49.55 | hebek | !dmix |
| 06:49.55 | dpkg | dmix is probably an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 06:49.56 | Gnea | hebek: oh right, you need a *real* soundcard for that |
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| 06:50.04 | hebek | :D |
| 06:50.06 | DaveLib | deadcat: that could well be i am sort of a noob for stuff like that hey should i restart my x server? |
| 06:50.12 | Gnea | 0000:01:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07) |
| 06:50.13 | hebek | no on-board? |
| 06:50.18 | Gnea | for instance |
| 06:50.24 | Co_Blue_Film | woi |
| 06:50.28 | deadcat | i got dualhead working instead of my usual twinview, but openbox doesnt really support it... and i cant seem to move the windows from one to the other. |
| 06:50.36 | Gnea | hebek: it's all about the chip |
| 06:50.52 | hebek | yeah but software mixing works with alsa |
| 06:50.55 | deadcat | DaveLib: if you changed the stuff in the file then yes. |
| 06:50.59 | hebek | why not with dsp? |
| 06:51.10 | virtu | anyone with gnomemeeting? |
| 06:51.21 | Gnea | hebek: you're not making much sense.... |
| 06:51.29 | deadcat | DaveLib: remove dri GLcore and load glx |
| 06:51.42 | deadcat | virtu: just ask |
| 06:51.42 | DaveLib | deadcat: i didnt manually change my x config file i dunno if the 3ddesktop install di it automatically |
| 06:51.57 | virtu | deadcat, my webcam doesnt work on gnomeeting |
| 06:52.06 | deadcat | DaveLib: if you didnt. the just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-x(org|free86) |
| 06:52.19 | deadcat | DaveLib: you can check/uncheck it in the interactive config menu |
| 06:52.29 | deadcat | virtu: does it work with other software? |
| 06:52.33 | virtu | deadcat, i dont know if its because no connection on gnomeeting |
| 06:52.36 | virtu | deadcat, yes |
| 06:52.43 | DaveLib | deadcat: yes i do remember some error message about glx when i tried to call 3ddesktop |
| 06:52.43 | virtu | deadcat, with gqcam, xawtv etc |
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| 06:52.54 | deadcat | virtu: using the same device right? |
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| 06:53.08 | virtu | I think so |
| 06:53.18 | bemag | deadcat: hey, im using the driver ati |
| 06:53.19 | hebek | Gnea, sorry for the confusion. the thing is my system can use dmix etc for xmms, totem etc. but flash plugin uses /dev/dsp. and when it does i cannot play music etc |
| 06:53.51 | deadcat | bemag: then i dont know why. default ati driver should work well with most ATI cards. |
| 06:54.08 | virtu | an error opening the devide deadcat |
| 06:54.10 | deadcat | virtu: it works well on my gnomemeeting. i have a pwc camera |
| 06:54.23 | deadcat | virtu: used by another software maybe? |
| 06:54.24 | virtu | deadcat, How can i connect you on gnomeeting? |
| 06:54.34 | bemag | deadcat:yeah...thats what i thought... |
| 06:54.38 | virtu | deadcat, really dont know :( |
| 06:54.43 | deadcat | virtu: i dont know. i only use the software. i dont connect to anything. |
| 06:54.49 | Gnea | hebek: sounds an oss compatibility issue |
| 06:54.54 | Gnea | +like |
| 06:54.56 | deadcat | virtu: sudo fuser -v /dev/video0 |
| 06:55.16 | zebalin4 | nite all. |
| 06:55.28 | hebek | Gnea, thanks. not a big problem but small and disgusting like a fly |
| 06:55.30 | twisted` | ok, this is weird, under the current kernel (2.4.27-2) the network works but the mouse doesn't, but under the 2.6.15-1 kernel the network doesn't work but the mouse does |
| 06:55.33 | twisted` | any ideas? |
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| 06:55.52 | deadcat | twisted`: 2.6 you load mousedev |
| 06:56.07 | virtu | deadcat, hmm with sudo didnt work (user not in sudoers file) |
| 06:56.12 | hebek | Gnea, i think it has something to do with my system being 64 bit and browser is 32 bit |
| 06:56.28 | deadcat | twisted`: and use /dev/input/mice |
| 06:56.40 | deadcat | virtu: then become root |
| 06:56.48 | hebek | !doesn't work |
| 06:56.48 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 06:56.49 | virtu | deadcat, then? |
| 06:56.53 | hebek | lol |
| 06:56.53 | Gnea | hebek: could be your 32bit compability layer then |
| 06:56.59 | twisted` | deadcat: the mouse works under 2.6, the network however, doesn't |
| 06:57.00 | deadcat | virtu: run fuser -v /dev/video0 |
| 06:57.08 | DaveLib | deadcat: i found my gnome terminal where i called 3ddesktop there are 8 lines of messages from 3ddesktop i could paste that somewhere |
| 06:57.08 | deadcat | twisted`: what chipset? |
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| 06:57.21 | deadcat | DaveLib: sure. pastebin |
| 06:57.39 | twisted` | deadcat: scary one, lemme copy it for ya |
| 06:57.47 | hebek | Gnea, yeah i guess... anyway any of you guys use gplflash? |
| 06:57.54 | virtu | deadcat, ok... now how can i connect you with gnomeeting? jsut to test |
| 06:58.13 | deadcat | virtu: i dont have that port open |
| 06:58.16 | DaveLib | deadcat: your link is palying on my screen now... |
| 06:58.31 | deadcat | DaveLib: oh. like it? |
| 06:58.48 | twisted` | deadcat: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21041 [Tulip Pass3] (rev 21) |
| 06:58.50 | deadcat | DaveLib: thats not mine. thats davidr's he works for novel |
| 06:58.52 | deadcat | novell |
| 06:58.57 | hebek | Gnea, thanks for the help. im off for tonight |
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| 06:59.51 | deadcat | twisted`: search online for that? i MIGHT be a 8139too driver but i cant guarantee. because i dont really know |
| 07:00.08 | twisted` | deadcat: good idea indeed |
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| 07:01.21 | deadcat | with good news? |
| 07:01.30 | Stevie | yeah |
| 07:01.40 | Stevie | i just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico |
| 07:01.44 | deadcat | HAHAHAH |
| 07:01.55 | deadcat | Stevie: thats my user agent. (= i was JUST about to paste that here. |
| 07:01.58 | deadcat | damn you |
| 07:02.29 | Stevie | :) |
| 07:02.34 | twisted` | deadcat: it's a know issue indeed |
| 07:02.38 | deadcat | "i just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to gecko" heheh. gecko |
| 07:02.51 | deadcat | twisted`: doh. |
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| 07:03.06 | twisted` | deadcat: has something to do with uhci_hcd |
| 07:03.08 | Stevie | 'i just saved a bunch of money on an antispyware program by switching to gecko' |
| 07:03.20 | deadcat | nice |
| 07:03.30 | Stevie | :) |
| 07:03.52 | deadcat | roooot has landed!!! |
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| 07:04.20 | twisted` | deadcat: it says something about blacklisting uhci_hcd and then it works, but I'm not sure what uhci_hcd does... |
| 07:04.40 | deadcat | twisted`: me either (= |
| 07:04.46 | twisted` | deadcat: doh |
| 07:04.48 | bemagri | hey everyone i need help here... |
| 07:05.02 | deadcat | bemagri: load uhci_hcd |
| 07:05.11 | twisted` | evil |
| 07:05.13 | twisted` | *grin* |
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| 07:05.26 | deadcat | twisted`: he didnt specify the question so i took a guess (= |
| 07:05.31 | bemagri | deadcat: ok... |
| 07:05.44 | zoghome | anyone know of any better pagers for KDE in debian, avail via apt? |
| 07:05.53 | twisted` | deadcat: I see that Mandriva has already written a patch for it... |
| 07:06.12 | bemagri | deadcat:how do i load that? |
| 07:06.13 | deadcat | zoghome: apt-cache search paper, i am not sure those will work with KDE or not though |
| 07:06.23 | deadcat | bemagri: modprobe uhci_hcd |
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| 07:07.06 | bemagri | deadcat: it doesnt work... |
| 07:07.17 | deadcat | !dont work |
| 07:07.29 | bemagri | deadcat : it says command not found |
| 07:07.47 | deadcat | bemagri: /sbin/modprobe uhci_hcd or you have to be root |
| 07:08.34 | SimonRaven | !doesn't work |
| 07:08.34 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 07:08.41 | deadcat | there we go |
| 07:08.50 | SimonRaven | !don't work is <reply> see doesn't work |
| 07:08.50 | dpkg | i already had it that way, SimonRaven |
| 07:08.52 | bemagri | deadcat: it says "cant locate uhci_hcd module" |
| 07:09.01 | SimonRaven | !don't work |
| 07:09.01 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 07:09.33 | deadcat | bemagri: init 0 |
| 07:10.14 | bemagri | deadcat : ? should i type that ? |
| 07:10.18 | deadcat | bemagri: ya |
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| 07:10.54 | SimonRaven | you know that shuts down the machine |
| 07:10.56 | glo | Hi people. What the dpkg-reconfigure command to reconfig my netcard. I have two and the one connected to the cable modem isn't coming up during bootup after I installed debian kernel 2.6.8 |
| 07:11.07 | bemagri | deadcat : cant locate module 0 |
| 07:11.08 | deadcat | SimonRaven: /lastlog him |
| 07:11.22 | SimonRaven | wtf |
| 07:11.23 | deadcat | bemagri: type "init 0" |
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| 07:11.56 | bemagri | deadcat: very funny |
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| 07:12.09 | deadcat | bemagri: you started it first |
| 07:12.21 | kelmo_lap | what are you, two years old? |
| 07:12.25 | SimonRaven | bemagri: do you know what the root account is? do you know what sudo is? |
| 07:12.27 | thing2 | is in here ok to ask about debian install on a perc2? debian 3.1 wont detect it |
| 07:12.31 | deadcat | kelmo_lap: him or me? |
| 07:12.36 | bemagri | deadcat: i did not |
| 07:12.44 | deadcat | bemagri: lastlog yourself |
| 07:13.25 | bemagri | SimonRaven:yeah i do why? you think you are smart? |
| 07:13.48 | SimonRaven | bemagri: i'm asking you. and you don't need to get nasty |
| 07:14.15 | bemagri | SimonRaven:ok man, sorry...this deadcat pist me off |
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| 07:14.26 | SimonRaven | 'pissed' |
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| 07:14.34 | deadcat | wtf |
| 07:14.46 | Stevie | eh |
| 07:15.00 | bemagri | yeah thats what i said...pissed me off |
| 07:15.07 | SimonRaven | and i don't care, that's between you and him, don't drag other people into some childish disupute |
| 07:15.13 | SimonRaven | dispute* |
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| 07:15.28 | bemagri | im not |
| 07:15.35 | bemagri | you got into it |
| 07:15.56 | SimonRaven | *plonk* |
| 07:16.10 | bemagri | so....can anybody help me out? |
| 07:16.10 | glo | anyone? |
| 07:16.15 | deadcat | sounds like somebody's having a case of the Mondays |
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| 07:16.34 | deadcat | then i told him to use modprobe |
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| 07:16.52 | DaveLib | deadcat: just finished watching that xgi demo |
| 07:17.06 | smains | !raid |
| 07:17.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks, the opposite of SLED, or what master.debian.org doesn't have See also: raid {0-5}, or http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/, or see http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid, or see <software raid> |
| 07:17.19 | deadcat | DaveLib: did you wanted to say "i fucking want that!" ? |
| 07:17.27 | smains | !software raid |
| 07:17.27 | dpkg | methinks software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 07:18.00 | DaveLib | deadcat: yes it looks nice i have not yet seen 3ddesktop running so i dont know what it is like |
| 07:18.13 | bemagri | deadcat : for how long you`ve been using debian? |
| 07:18.16 | deadcat | DaveLib: 3ddesktop is crap compared to that |
| 07:18.24 | deadcat | bemagri: 3 years |
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| 07:18.50 | deadcat | bemagri: like i said. you never ask the real question so i guessed. and my answer is still modprobe that module i told you |
| 07:18.57 | SimonRaven | deadcat: lame troll *shrug* |
| 07:19.04 | deadcat | SimonRaven: ya. i know. |
| 07:19.10 | DaveLib | deadcat: you told me for the paste to use pastebin i dont know how to do that this will be my first paste originating from #debian |
| 07:19.12 | bemagri | deadcat: and before that you used what? |
| 07:19.22 | twisted` | how can I install an _older_ kernel? |
| 07:19.25 | deadcat | !tell DaveLib about pastebin |
| 07:19.40 | deadcat | twisted`: if its still available, apt-get it |
| 07:19.40 | twisted` | I'd like to see if e.g. 2.6.12 will have networking |
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| 07:19.46 | Shadow | DCC SEND Irc Crash Initialized. |
| 07:19.55 | twisted` | deadcat: well, hopefully stable will have it then |
| 07:19.57 | kristalino | can someone explain me how to change the : Y to become a Z and a Z to become Y ? |
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| 07:20.04 | Stevie | kristalino: wrong question |
| 07:20.16 | kristalino | Stevie, hehe :) |
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| 07:20.20 | deadcat | kristalino: in what? |
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| 07:20.46 | Stevie | kristalino has a german keyboard, wants to remap it to behave like a us keyboard |
| 07:20.50 | kristalino | deadcat, in .Xmodmap. actually i have a german keyboard with qwertz, and i'd like to have it in qwerty |
| 07:21.04 | tictac | is it normal to use a faster drive/diff manufacturer as the parity disk in a raid 5 array? |
| 07:21.07 | deadcat | kristalino: ah. |
| 07:21.10 | nichos | how can i suspend a process? |
| 07:21.16 | SimonRaven | xeem|do_not_ban_: with that nick you're just asking for trouble |
| 07:21.19 | deadcat | nichos: ^Z |
| 07:21.21 | Stevie | take its badge and its gun? |
| 07:21.30 | nichos | deadcat one thats running, like via pid? |
| 07:21.37 | bemagri | deadcat: but what if i dont have that module? |
| 07:21.37 | Stevie | kill -STOP pid |
| 07:21.39 | twisted` | omg, it's gonna install an EVEN newer kernel |
| 07:21.39 | deadcat | nichos: oh. kill? |
| 07:21.46 | kristalino | deadcat, but i'd like only to sitch these "y" ->z and z->y, only that :) |
| 07:21.52 | kristalino | switch* |
| 07:22.01 | nichos | ill check that out;) |
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| 07:22.31 | tennin | I really hope the GNU Flash player finds its way into the Debian archives sometime soon, just so I can type `apt-cache search gnash' and have it do something |
| 07:22.38 | bemagri | deadcat: but what if i dont have that module? |
| 07:22.44 | tennin | that should be enough to keep me amused for hours |
| 07:22.58 | kristalino | for that i need to know the keycode if the Y and the keycode of the Z, and then remap them |
| 07:23.02 | deadcat | kristalino: try man keysym |
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| 07:23.13 | DaveLib | deadcat: thanks for the info: i pasted to http://pastebin.ca/44409 |
| 07:23.15 | deadcat | bemagri: then init 0 |
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| 07:23.17 | smains | !raid 0 |
| 07:23.17 | dpkg | [raid 0] Also known as disk striping, this form of RAID combines two or more hard drives into a single logical drive. Any data is written in blocks first to one drive, then the next, and so on. A RAID 0 configuration sacrifices redundancy for raw speed. The more drives you use the faster your logical drive will be. The space available on the logical drive is the sum of space on all of the drives used, assuming that all drives are the same size. If ... |
| 07:23.47 | deadcat | DaveLib: so 3ddeskd is running already? |
| 07:23.52 | bemagri | deadcat: init 0 is to shutdown the system! |
| 07:23.57 | deadcat | DaveLib: oh. nevermind |
| 07:24.12 | kristalino | deadcat, ok thanks :) |
| 07:24.24 | deadcat | DaveLib: can you paste your X config file to pastebin? |
| 07:24.26 | thing2 | smains what are you looking for? |
| 07:24.27 | DaveLib | deadcat: it wasnt i did 3desktop and 3ddesktop --acquire |
| 07:24.41 | smains | thing2: how to setup a single linear raid system |
| 07:24.57 | thing2 | smains software raid? |
| 07:24.59 | smains | thing2: but apparently my kernel does not have raid support?! |
| 07:25.02 | smains | thing2: yes |
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| 07:25.22 | thing2 | ok on the boot disks or as a data space? |
| 07:25.29 | smains | thing2: cat /proc/mdstat says there is no file |
| 07:25.37 | deadcat | kristalino: this will switch contrl and caplock, so y and z would be similar: alias xcap2ctrl='xmodmap -e "keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L"' |
| 07:25.46 | smains | thing2: on both I think, I only have to disks |
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| 07:26.00 | thing2 | two disks? |
| 07:26.03 | bemagri | i thought the people in here would help me...If i knew that everybody knows nothing i wouldnt waste my time... |
| 07:26.09 | smains | thing2: yes |
| 07:26.19 | kristalino | deadcat, do you know how could i do this with only .Xmodmap ? |
| 07:26.25 | thing2 | smains software raid for boot disks is not good |
| 07:26.29 | DaveLib | deadcat: sure geez what is it called ? i am looking in my ~ |
| 07:26.50 | smains | thing2: hmm ok, so I should just forget about it? |
| 07:26.57 | deadcat | kristalino: ya. just dont put the word keysym, man xmodmap |
| 07:26.59 | thing2 | bemagri whats up? |
| 07:27.07 | deadcat | DaveLib: /etc/X11 |
| 07:27.31 | DaveLib | deadcat: ok thanks justasec... |
| 07:27.35 | thing2 | smains generally yes, you could get a hwraid controller |
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| 07:27.50 | deadcat | kristalino: and use xev to get the exact key name for z and y |
| 07:27.55 | smains | thing2: ok |
| 07:27.56 | bemagri | thing2: i need some help...but its hard to get it here... |
| 07:28.05 | smains | thing2: thanks for your help :) |
| 07:28.07 | thing2 | bemagri whats up? |
| 07:28.41 | thing2 | smains i have found software raid less than reliable |
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| 07:28.46 | bemagri | thing2:im trying to configure the X |
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| 07:29.01 | deadcat | bemagri: FINALLY you ask the question. |
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| 07:29.05 | thing2 | bemagri, ok i have never done it |
| 07:29.12 | deadcat | bemagri: all you did prior to that was "can somebody help me!" |
| 07:29.12 | Thanatermesis | i want a program to write a "graphic" of my web stats for the next 24 hours, any idea ? |
| 07:29.22 | bemagri | deadcat:i told you this an hour ago..... |
| 07:29.46 | thing2 | thanatermesis www.freshmeat.net do a keyword search |
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| 07:29.48 | catarcid | Oh!SEX .com.ar delivery sexshop online |
| 07:29.50 | deadcat | Thanatermesis: search web stat |
| 07:29.52 | catarcid | Oh!SEX .com.ar delivery sexshop online |
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| 07:29.56 | bemagri | deadcat:i think you missed the lines that i said that several times... |
| 07:30.06 | deadcat | will visit, thanks for the tips sir! |
| 07:30.12 | deadcat | bemagri: maybe |
| 07:30.41 | DaveLib | deadcat: for me /etc/X11 is a directory |
| 07:30.41 | bemagri | deadcat:ok...now that i did asked the question... |
| 07:30.50 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, no person knows about a recomendation for a fast thing ? |
| 07:31.04 | deadcat | DaveLib: ya. theres a config file. i use xorg so its xorg.conf i dont remember xfree, XF86Config-4 i think |
| 07:31.07 | bemagri | deadcat: can you help me now? (serious) |
| 07:31.17 | deadcat | bemagri: whats the question? |
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| 07:31.34 | DaveLib | deadcat: ok! i think thats it |
| 07:31.43 | xeem | /whois tangodown |
| 07:31.52 | bemagri | deadcat: the question is "can you help me to configure the X?" |
| 07:31.59 | deadcat | xeem: hes in rainbow6 |
| 07:32.05 | xeem | thanks |
| 07:32.08 | kristalino | deadcat, ok thanks :) |
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| 07:32.14 | deadcat | bemagri: that dont help shit. be specific |
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| 07:32.39 | weasel00 | ~apache |
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| 07:33.07 | bemagri | deadcat: ok...i want to run debian on the graphic mode (i dont know what i have to do to achieve this) |
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| 07:33.13 | TangoDown | DCC SEND Irc Crash Initialized. |
| 07:33.31 | deadcat | bemagri: apt-get install x-window-system xfce4 xdm |
| 07:33.33 | Coweater | !ops TangoDown exploting router bug |
| 07:33.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: TangoDown exploting router bug |
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| 07:33.54 | deadcat | Coweater: thats not from rainbow6 ? |
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| 07:34.25 | deadcat | Coweater: what router is that? |
| 07:34.31 | TangoDown | DCC SEND Irc Crash Initialized. |
| 07:34.40 | Coweater | a few netgears and some linksys supposedly |
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| 07:34.49 | Coweater | stupid shit |
| 07:34.53 | deadcat | Coweater: ah.. |
| 07:34.58 | bemagri | deadcat: ok...we are starting to understand each other... |
| 07:34.59 | deadcat | TangoDown: can you stop that? |
| 07:35.11 | deadcat | bemagri: you just asked some useless qs |
| 07:35.14 | deadcat | (= |
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| 07:35.19 | bemagri | deadcat:im downloading that package |
| 07:35.21 | thing2 | bemagri did you install gnome or kde? |
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| 07:35.44 | TangoDown | DCC SEND Irc Crash Initialized. |
| 07:35.47 | bemagri | thing2: yes, gnome-session and gnome packages |
| 07:35.49 | thing2 | dog |
| 07:35.54 | thing2 | doh |
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| 07:36.25 | virtu | deadcat, look http://anklan.dyndns.org:8080/webcam |
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| 07:36.27 | thing2 | bemagri did you try typing startx? |
| 07:36.29 | virtu | its just too dark :( |
| 07:36.33 | bemagri | deadcat:so after i download that package what should i do? |
| 07:36.58 | bemagri | thing2: yes, some error messages appear... |
| 07:37.00 | deadcat | bemagri: it isntalled? /etc/init.d/xdm start |
| 07:37.08 | deadcat | virtu: slow |
| 07:37.17 | deadcat | loading still |
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| 07:37.29 | virtu | deadcat, my conections its not good enough :( |
| 07:38.04 | deadcat | virtu: what software you use? i use motion for motion detection |
| 07:38.15 | virtu | deadcat, webcamd |
| 07:38.22 | deadcat | ah |
| 07:38.37 | SimonRaven | !ops various dufuses joining and saying "DCC SEND Irc Crash Initialized." and parting. last one was TangoDown n=fmolder@69.46.20.196 |
| 07:38.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: various dufuses joining and saying "DCC SEND Irc Crash Initialized." and parting. last one was TangoDown n=fmolder@69.46.20.196 |
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| 07:39.06 | Stevie | I pay a some chinese kids 2 dollars a day to watch the webcam. They login and start the recording process if anything moves |
| 07:39.06 | bemagri | deadcat: the console shows "Starting X display manager: xdm" and nothing happened |
| 07:39.36 | deadcat | bemagri: what video card? |
| 07:39.46 | bemagri | ati radeon 9600 |
| 07:39.57 | deadcat | using ati right? and it didnt work right? |
| 07:40.05 | bemagri | deadcat: yes |
| 07:40.10 | weasel00 | lilo klined tangodown =) |
| 07:40.12 | deadcat | and i said i dont know why right? |
| 07:40.31 | bemagri | deadcat: did you? |
| 07:40.32 | Stevie | poor tangodown |
| 07:40.34 | deadcat | Stevie: hahaha. |
| 07:40.39 | deadcat | 2$? |
| 07:41.00 | deadcat | virtu: connection timed out |
| 07:41.14 | thing2 | bye all |
| 07:41.20 | bemagri | deadcat: but it doesnt make sense....it has to work |
| 07:41.36 | weasel00 | stevie : you pay a kid in china to watch your webcam? bit of an ego no? |
| 07:41.50 | virtu | deadcat, How can i use motion? |
| 07:41.55 | deadcat | virtu: install it. |
| 07:42.00 | virtu | ok.. I didt |
| 07:42.12 | deadcat | bemagri: you will have to show us your x config file and or the log file |
| 07:42.23 | kristalino | deadcat, great thanks |
| 07:42.55 | virtu | Problem enabling stream server: Address already in use |
| 07:43.00 | bemagri | deadcat: ok, where do i find these files? |
| 07:43.14 | deadcat | virtu: sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/.motion/motion.conf and edit to your fit |
| 07:43.49 | deadcat | virtu: maybe webcamd is using that device. only 1 software can use a device like video and shits |
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| 07:44.13 | bemagri | deadcat: ok, where do i find these files? |
| 07:44.16 | deadcat | bemagri: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 if you use xfree and /var/log/X*0*log |
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| 07:45.52 | bemagri | deadcat: ok...i found them already |
| 07:46.37 | bemagri | deadcat: but the computer that im chating with you is not the one running debian |
| 07:46.52 | deadcat | bemagri: and i told you too bad earlier too right? |
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| 07:47.11 | bemagri | deadcat: i guess... |
| 07:47.17 | deadcat | i think so |
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| 07:48.21 | bemagri | deadcat: do you there is a way to send those files to you from that machine? |
| 07:48.29 | bemagri | think |
| 07:48.48 | deadcat | bemagri: does that machine have a webserver? |
| 07:49.02 | bemagri | have apache |
| 07:49.06 | deadcat | and if you aint on the box whats the point of having X |
| 07:49.07 | bemagri | but.... |
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| 07:50.18 | bemagri | deadcat: yeah i know...but that is the cause that im not on that computer.... (i have them both in front of me) |
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| 07:50.50 | deadcat | bemagri: does it have ssh? create a regular account and let me login. you can use screen -x to watch waht i do |
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| 07:51.19 | bemagri | deadcat: ok....how do i do that? |
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| 07:51.39 | deadcat | bemagri: useradd -m -s /bin/bash deadcat |
| 07:51.49 | deadcat | bemagri: then passwd deadcat and /msg me the passwd |
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| 07:53.23 | bemagri | deadcat: i created the user...now how i change the password? |
| 07:53.30 | deadcat | i told you |
| 07:53.50 | dilku | please read the Docs .. passwd username |
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| 07:54.11 | dilku | bemagri: thats if you are root |
| 07:54.13 | SimonRaven | yay (WRT the k-line) |
| 07:54.19 | bemagri | deadcat: sorry...i havent seen |
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| 07:54.23 | virtu | deadcat, http://anklan.dyndns.org:8081 ??? |
| 07:54.27 | bemagri | deadcat: ok...done |
| 07:54.39 | virtu | deadcat, working? |
| 07:54.48 | deadcat | virtu: you have 8081 open for public? |
| 07:54.57 | dilku | How can I use group messages with gaim ? |
| 07:54.59 | deadcat | virtu: /msg me to passwd |
| 07:55.03 | weasel00 | hmm... thought httpd.conf was the same as on fedora for configuring apache on fedora... |
| 07:55.03 | deadcat | dilku: no clue |
| 07:55.29 | deadcat | weasel00: ok... |
| 07:55.40 | bemagri | deadcat: the second one... |
| 07:55.50 | weasel00 | deadcat: its not |
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| 07:56.10 | bemagri | deadcat: and now what...? |
| 07:56.15 | virtu | deadcat, I have to test it |
| 07:56.21 | deadcat | bemagri: /msg deadcat the passwd |
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| 07:56.30 | virtu | deadcat, for me its opne...but ofr public dont know |
| 07:56.33 | deadcat | virtu: i think your router is not allowing that port? |
| 07:56.46 | virtu | 8080 is my apache |
| 07:57.01 | deadcat | virtu: you can make it to save the moving images into a .avi file |
| 07:57.12 | deadcat | 8080 dont work for me either. |
| 07:57.17 | virtu | deadcat, a guy on debian-br channel is watching me |
| 07:57.17 | bemagri | deadcat: did you got it? |
| 07:57.46 | virtu | try my IP number |
| 07:57.48 | deadcat | bemagri: no. |
| 07:57.52 | virtu | not dynds.org |
| 07:57.52 | DaveLib | deadcat: wow we're really keeping you busy i finally got my X config file pasted about 3ddesktop: http://pastebin.ca/44410 |
| 07:58.02 | deadcat | virtu: ah. just too damn slow (= |
| 07:58.12 | virtu | deadcat, wait .. motion shutown |
| 07:58.22 | deadcat | virtu: 8080 works. very slow |
| 07:59.11 | deadcat | DaveLib: you're NOT using nvidia driver, you are using sis, did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 07:59.43 | bemagri | deadcat: did you got it now? (i sent it 3 times) |
| 07:59.47 | deadcat | weasel00: i dont drink coffee (= |
| 08:00.02 | deadcat | bemagri: no. you sure you /msg deadcat ? |
| 08:00.13 | DaveLib | deadcat: i dont think so i think my integrated video on my motherboard is sis |
| 08:00.15 | deadcat | just paste the passwd here i will change it right away. |
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| 08:00.28 | bemagri | deadcat: yes...(doing one more time) |
| 08:00.30 | deadcat | DaveLib: oh. i only know how to get nvidia working.. i dont know sis |
| 08:00.46 | deadcat | (= |
| 08:00.47 | DaveLib | deadcat: oh ok thanks |
| 08:01.04 | bemagri | \msg |
| 08:01.14 | deadcat | is that the passwd? |
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| 08:01.48 | bemagri | deadcat: what? (\msg? no...) |
| 08:01.50 | deadcat | bemagri: i just mesged you. |
| 08:01.55 | SimonRaven | mmm |
| 08:02.22 | DaveLib | deadcat: i recall the man page for 3ddesktop said something about needing 3 d acceleration i dont even know if i have that |
| 08:02.28 | bemagri | deadcat: yes...sorry |
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| 08:02.41 | bemagri | deadcat: thats the password |
| 08:02.46 | deadcat | DaveLib: probably not. i only know ati and nvidia |
| 08:02.55 | weasel00 | davelib: what card is it? |
| 08:03.11 | deadcat | bemagri: whats the passwd? |
| 08:03.26 | DaveLib | deadcat: thats why i installed hardinfo i wanted to check my video |
| 08:03.53 | bemagri | deadcat: i messaged you... its those numbers |
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| 08:04.05 | deadcat | bemagri: i didnt get msg from you |
| 08:04.27 | weasel00 | davelib: if you cant figure it with the software, pull the card and and you can look up the manufacturer with the FCC number |
| 08:04.30 | Sonny | hi, do you know why my amule doesnt connect to any server? |
| 08:04.36 | bemagri | deadcat: 12345 |
| 08:04.43 | deadcat | bemagri: ip? |
| 08:04.52 | DaveLib | wease100: i dont know before i ran debian sarge i was running suse 9.2 on this machine |
| 08:05.10 | bemagri | deadcat: well...im on a LAN |
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| 08:05.26 | deadcat | bemagri: then how the hell you expect me to get in? |
| 08:05.28 | DaveLib | wease100: my suse installation detected my video integrated video on the motherboard and told me it was sis |
| 08:05.42 | deadcat | i really dont have the power of god.. |
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| 08:05.48 | bemagri | deadcat: but the |
| 08:05.51 | Stevie | deadcat: You don't? |
| 08:05.59 | Stevie | deadcat: hold on |
| 08:06.01 | deadcat | Stevie: you try to get in to his lan (= |
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| 08:06.02 | weasel00 | bemagri: goto this page and see what the ip is.... http://www.whatismyip.com/ |
| 08:06.09 | Miesco | How do I recursively find text inside files in my home directory? |
| 08:06.10 | bemagri | deadcat: but the LAN is connected to the internet |
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| 08:06.43 | Stevie | deadcat: apt-cache policy power-of-god-1.3.3-7 | grep 500 |
| 08:06.45 | deadcat | bemagri: make sure you have ssh running on that debian box, that port 22 is open and allow incomming |
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| 08:06.48 | weasel00 | davelib whats the processor and board manufacturer? |
| 08:06.56 | DaveLib | wease100: my sarge install couldn't auto detect my video so i rebooted to suse and read the video report off some utility i saw sis i guess was a specific # dont remember |
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| 08:07.12 | bemagri | deadcat: 200.150.175.133 |
| 08:07.19 | DaveLib | wease100: celeron and acer i think |
| 08:07.26 | jayr168 | hello |
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| 08:07.35 | deadcat | Stevie: you kidding me right? (= |
| 08:07.41 | deadcat | bemagri: its not letting me. |
| 08:07.52 | bemagri | deadcat: ok...i have ssh, but how do i open the door 22 and allow incmoes? |
| 08:07.53 | jayr168 | how do I log in as root |
| 08:07.53 | DaveLib | i could maybe reboot to suse and get more specific info |
| 08:07.55 | jayr168 | ?? |
| 08:07.59 | Miesco | How do I find all the files and files in subdirectories in my home dir sorted by date motified? |
| 08:08.02 | deadcat | bemagri: your router. |
| 08:08.03 | weasel00 | port forwarding on the router/ modem is not setup to his box =) |
| 08:08.04 | jayr168 | debian automatically starts GDM |
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| 08:08.20 | bemagri | deadcat: oh....ok |
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| 08:08.25 | deadcat | jayr168: same way you login as regular user |
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| 08:08.35 | deadcat | jayr168: ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 08:08.48 | jayr168 | it says administrator is not allowed to log in at this screen |
| 08:08.50 | *** part/#debian xwl (n=user@th131181.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) |
| 08:09.02 | deadcat | jayr168: you can config gdm to let you |
| 08:09.05 | jayr168 | whats ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 08:09.07 | DaveLib | wease100: to find out more from sarge i tried installing hardinfo the other day but when i ran it i get a segmentation fault |
| 08:09.11 | deadcat | jayr168: just do it and see |
| 08:09.12 | weasel00 | davelib: you might just barely have 3d accelerator... decent integrated vid's werent being used till later in the pIII series =/ |
| 08:09.16 | jayr168 | how do I do that? |
| 08:09.24 | deadcat | jayr168: press that key pattern |
| 08:09.50 | bemagri | deadcat: its all set up...i think |
| 08:10.09 | DaveLib | i just bought this computer retail in november 2005 |
| 08:10.13 | Stevie | bemagri: Does the machine have sshd setup? |
| 08:10.13 | deadcat | bemagri: you try ssh deadcat@200.150.175.133 when it works. let me know |
| 08:10.28 | deadcat | DaveLib: ya. they usually ship with crap-ass video cards |
| 08:10.54 | weasel00 | i miss STB cards... they werent the latest and greatest but the worked d*mnit |
| 08:10.58 | DaveLib | and this is a really cheap computer $499.99 Cdn $ |
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| 08:11.13 | deadcat | DaveLib: then i doubt your video card can do opengl stuff (= |
| 08:11.15 | s-andy | hi, all! |
| 08:11.22 | piq7 | hi all |
| 08:11.27 | Stevie | who is all? |
| 08:11.29 | DaveLib | but i have been running celestia-gnome ok |
| 08:11.31 | piq7 | all |
| 08:11.32 | bemag | deadcat: ... |
| 08:11.33 | piq7 | is all |
| 08:11.41 | Stevie | do you mean Al? |
| 08:11.46 | piq7 | no all |
| 08:11.46 | Stevie | he's afk |
| 08:11.46 | deadcat | DaveLib: you just wated 500$ because you wont be able to do fancy stuff you saw in that demo when its available in debian |
| 08:11.49 | piq7 | everbody |
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| 08:11.53 | piq7 | for example |
| 08:11.54 | Stevie | oh, everybody |
| 08:11.55 | s-andy | i want to install debian-ia64... but i cannot even boot d-i... what's wrong? |
| 08:12.04 | deadcat | piq7: cut that shit out |
| 08:12.25 | DaveLib | deadcat: ahh well i am happy to have emacs and usenet and surf the web |
| 08:12.34 | deadcat | DaveLib: true. |
| 08:12.34 | bemag | deadcat: are you trying to get in? |
| 08:12.38 | weasel00 | davelib: if you get the chance pick up a supercheap jonny-generic vid card for the future... beings its integrated i would siggest pulling up the Acer site and look up the vid card info from there for your chipset.. would be easiest way =) |
| 08:12.49 | piq7 | why? |
| 08:12.58 | Stevie | how can I bring up the mirrors list to choose from? |
| 08:12.59 | deadcat | bemag: it doesnt work. like i said. you ssh to that machine via that ip. if it works let me know |
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| 08:13.04 | deadcat | !tell piq7 about enter |
| 08:13.05 | DaveLib | thanks wease100 |
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| 08:13.19 | deadcat | Stevie: apt-setup |
| 08:13.38 | Stevie | meh |
| 08:13.45 | deadcat | havent used it in years eh? |
| 08:14.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 697] by debhelper |
| 08:14.00 | Stevie | may as well have been years |
| 08:14.04 | Stevie | I don't seem to have it |
| 08:14.04 | weasel00 | davelib : sorry i cant help with the software side but hardware im good enough to pull some load off of deadcat =) |
| 08:14.05 | DaveLib | so does anyone know a good utility for me to check my hardware from sarge (gnome) i tried hardinfo so to get hardinfo to work or else some alternative that is good |
| 08:14.14 | Stevie | which sucks, because my mirror of choice seems to be failing |
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| 08:14.27 | DaveLib | wease100: :-) |
| 08:14.27 | deadcat | Stevie: i dont have it either.. hmm. |
| 08:14.58 | Stevie | probably gets removed when the installer finishes |
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| 08:15.12 | deadcat | Stevie: nah. it used to have it.. |
| 08:15.13 | DaveLib | wease100: so isnt that strange that i download hardinfo from the sarge repositories into my sarge installation and it seg faults? |
| 08:15.17 | deadcat | !find apt-setup |
| 08:15.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apt-setup' (2): (/etc/fish.d/completions/apt-setup.fish) in shells/fish ;; (/usr/share/debian-cd/data/woody/apt-setup.html.in, /usr/share/debian-cd/data/potato/apt-setup.html.in) in admin/debian-cd. |
| 08:15.47 | deadcat | woody was the last? |
| 08:15.52 | weasel00 | davelib : im new to debian and took me 2 hours to get apt-get to update my system lol |
| 08:16.04 | s-andy | does anyone succeed to boot ia64 install cd? |
| 08:16.07 | *** part/#debian dsr_ (n=noident@ece-238-57.ece.gatech.edu) |
| 08:16.25 | Stevie | I probably would, except I lack an ia64 machine |
| 08:16.29 | DaveLib | my suse had a nice utility opens a window with info about all hardware |
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| 08:16.55 | piq7 | Sorry can i ask something about linux |
| 08:16.55 | weasel00 | davelib : im serious about looking up the specs on your manufactures site.. take a couple of minutes to find the info then install the dirver and be on your way |
| 08:16.59 | deadcat | DaveLib: and you dont know where those info come from... |
| 08:16.59 | Stevie | what's this dcc exploit lilo is talking about? |
| 08:17.26 | bemag | deadcat: ok...i think i got it |
| 08:17.50 | DaveLib | deadcat: from the utilities? hardinfo documentation said it got info from /proc |
| 08:18.02 | Sonny | hi, do you know how to change my profile in firefox? |
| 08:18.04 | kevix | did anyone find anymore info about that irc/dcc/router exploit? |
| 08:18.12 | deadcat | Stevie: Coweater said it d/c some netgears and linksys routers |
| 08:18.54 | bemag | deadcat: ok...i think i got it |
| 08:19.03 | weasel00 | it was doing a segment 0 dcc send to clients which would cause their connections to be reset / dumped |
| 08:19.10 | deadcat | bemag: ok. let me know the ip |
| 08:19.10 | Stevie | deadcat: Ahhh... sounds like a port forwarding bug |
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| 08:19.23 | deadcat | Stevie: i have dlink. so i dont know (= |
| 08:19.30 | bemag | 200.150.175.133 |
| 08:19.30 | Stevie | heh, me too |
| 08:19.50 | deadcat | bemag: it doesnt work for me. or its freakin slow |
| 08:20.07 | bemag | deadcat: ok...how did u said that i can monitor what u r doing...? |
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| 08:20.21 | deadcat | bemag: via screen -x, but i am not in. |
| 08:20.35 | mirco_ | That wasn't the best decision, I prefer Linksys, but also had a lot of trouble using D-Link |
| 08:20.39 | DaveLib | wease100: i am on the acer site in another window |
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| 08:20.57 | Stevie | I've never had significant trouble with my d-link |
| 08:21.09 | Stevie | whereas my wrt54g would drop out on me daily |
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| 08:21.19 | deadcat | Stevie: i dont care about mine. $10. so i cant really expect too much from it heheh |
| 08:21.33 | weasel00 | wow... brazil... hows the weather by equator? |
| 08:22.00 | bemag | who is from brazil?? |
| 08:22.09 | weasel00 | your ip |
| 08:22.15 | mirco_ | stevie: sounds like you got a Monday modell |
| 08:22.25 | bemag | yeah... |
| 08:22.42 | weasel00 | 200.150.175.xxx << routes through brazil =) |
| 08:22.45 | bemag | the weather is damn hot... (= |
| 08:23.05 | weasel00 | 60s in northern cal.. cant wait for summer to kick in full swing |
| 08:23.11 | weasel00 | cal / california |
| 08:23.15 | bemag | how did you knew that?? |
| 08:23.26 | deadcat | weasel00: ya.. 42 degree right now in norcal |
| 08:23.50 | bemag | hehe |
| 08:24.04 | weasel00 | deadcat : been hiding in my room after seeing the frost on the cars getting a 2L from 7/11 in san jose :) |
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| 08:24.46 | bemag | what time is in cal? |
| 08:24.47 | deadcat | weasel00: hahah. sj weather is pretty nice.. much better than sf.. stupid fog. |
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| 08:25.35 | weasel00 | been there done that deadcat... thou i might have to start working up there soon.. yay caltran =P |
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| 08:25.36 | deadcat | bemag: 1225pm |
| 08:25.44 | weasel00 | 1225 AM << |
| 08:25.52 | DaveLib | hey i just looked up my receipt for this computer the motherboard is asus |
| 08:25.53 | deadcat | weasel00: damn |
| 08:25.54 | weasel00 | deadcat is losing it lol.. |
| 08:25.59 | deadcat | oh am hehe. |
| 08:26.00 | ftp3 | hey, when i try and install mysql using "apt-get install mysql-server" it installs EXIM!!! How do I make it only install what I am asking for? |
| 08:26.04 | *** part/#debian Niveous (n=mikes@pbx.niveous.ca) |
| 08:26.10 | kevix | deadcat: cal is in GMT -8 |
| 08:26.17 | DaveLib | i am on the asus site i found an entry for my specific model motherboard |
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| 08:26.39 | weasel00 | oh ya.. acer was tandy which was digital which disappeared in a buyout |
| 08:26.51 | deadcat | weasel00: did you go to linux world last year and/or the linux picnic in sunnyvale? |
| 08:27.16 | Zugschlus | ftp3: mysql needs cron, which wants to send e-mail, which needs an MTA |
| 08:27.16 | DaveLib | my chipset is 661GX |
| 08:27.29 | weasel00 | i think i wsa working at the time... is there another one coming up? i think my 2 week vacation between jobs is getting old.. and linux is killing me |
| 08:27.53 | deadcat | weasel00: august |
| 08:27.53 | Stevie | My chipset is the X1337GX-Xtreme, which is so cool that in addition to a north and south bridge, it has east and west bridges |
| 08:28.08 | bemag | do u guys think that debian is the best linux distribution? |
| 08:28.10 | Zugschlus | Stevie: as long as it doesn't have a Hudson Bridge... |
| 08:28.14 | Stevie | !best |
| 08:28.14 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 08:28.18 | Zugschlus | !dpkg start a distro war |
| 08:28.18 | dpkg | Fedora is the nuts! |
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| 08:28.25 | DaveLib | so that is sis661GX |
| 08:28.30 | Stevie | !dpkg start a browser war |
| 08:28.31 | weasel00 | <-- hey now... yum rules =) |
| 08:28.31 | dpkg | Netscape is more user-friendly than w3m! |
| 08:28.37 | deadcat | "men at work!" down under (= |
| 08:28.40 | Stevie | !dpkg start an editor war |
| 08:28.40 | dpkg | emacs sucks |
| 08:28.42 | Zugschlus | !dpkg start a packaging war |
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| 08:29.16 | Zugschlus | Helau! |
| 08:29.24 | weasel00 | best is women without clothes .. buts thats just mho |
| 08:29.36 | Zugschlus | weasel00: that depends as well |
| 08:29.44 | deadcat | weasel00: karsten is like 30miles from you probably |
| 08:29.57 | Garp | Question: Anything knows about random crash under debian testing? Seems related to the use of multiple simultaneous Xsesions. Symptoms: Text console are unreadable (they works, but they are either full black or weird symbols). Pixmaps under X11 are sometimes refreshed using apparently random memory area (eg. the KDE bar is filled with wath looks like to be some firefox displayed html page). When changing screen (ctrl-alt-fn) the screen is temporary b |
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| 08:30.18 | bemag | what is the best irc client for debian? |
| 08:30.22 | karsten | weasel00: PA. Actually, MP at present. |
| 08:30.30 | karsten | bemag: irssi-text |
| 08:30.31 | SlammerXP | bemag: mIRC |
| 08:30.31 | Stevie | i have a creek? |
| 08:30.32 | DaveLib | bemag: i am using erc in emacs |
| 08:30.40 | Coweater | bemag: telnet |
| 08:30.48 | Stevie | netcat |
| 08:30.51 | karsten | Garp: Can you confirm if it's just X or the box as a whole? Can you ping / ssh from remote? |
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| 08:30.56 | Stevie | !start an irc client war |
| 08:30.56 | dpkg | ircII owns |
| 08:31.01 | blazefx | what up all? |
| 08:31.01 | Garp | karsten: kernel crash. |
| 08:31.05 | karsten | Garp: X wedging isn't entirely unknown. |
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| 08:31.11 | weasel00 | mp? menlo park - yuppie vill, melrose place - needs to burn down -) |
| 08:31.15 | Garp | karsten: sometimes, the machine just reboot on its own. |
| 08:31.23 | bemag | karsten: how do i use it? |
| 08:31.30 | karsten | bemag: Carefully. |
| 08:31.34 | karsten | bemag: ... and properly. |
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| 08:31.57 | deadcat | weasel00: you should go to the cabal meeting next sat. (= |
| 08:32.03 | karsten | Garp: The usual advice: look through logs, if you can configure remote serial logging, do, note what happened, recent changes, rule out (or in) hardware issues. |
| 08:32.07 | bemag | karsten: how do i connect in this channel for instance? |
| 08:32.09 | weasel00 | his routing still isnt setup... the ping rate is looks good |
| 08:32.19 | blazefx | Hey, where would I find the standard device driver file in /dev/ for my touchpad mouse on a laptop? |
| 08:32.20 | karsten | bemag: irssi -c irc.debian.org |
| 08:32.38 | deadcat | karsten: have you seen my screenshots lately? all the fancy themes? (= |
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| 08:32.40 | karsten | bemag: ... then '/join #debian' once connected. You can also set autojoins in your config file, I don't. |
| 08:32.46 | karsten | deadcat: Any naked women? |
| 08:32.47 | Garp | karsten: OK. I'm moving in a few days, so it will likely have to wait :( No time to dig now... |
| 08:32.48 | weasel00 | deadcat : you mean cobal? i havent seen that since i was doing my friends programing in college |
| 08:32.54 | deadcat | karsten: no |
| 08:32.58 | Stevie | !start a packaging war |
| 08:32.58 | dpkg | .deb files could never compete with tar xf;cd;./configure;make;make install |
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| 08:33.00 | karsten | weasel00: CABAL |
| 08:33.05 | karsten | deadcat: Fuggedaboudit. |
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| 08:33.09 | Stevie | Zugschlus: There you go |
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| 08:33.27 | mirco_ | blazefx: depending to the driver u decide to use it may be detected as /dev/psaux or /dev/mice |
| 08:33.28 | deadcat | karsten: (= |
| 08:33.35 | weasel00 | deadcat | karsten : shoot me a info link.. my weekend is free |
| 08:33.39 | Stevie | !start a language war |
| 08:33.39 | dpkg | csh is faster than Haskell |
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| 08:33.51 | karsten | deadcat: ... I saw this chick checking you out ... |
| 08:33.52 | blazefx | micro_ the thing is, i don't remeber ever selecting which driver. |
| 08:33.53 | mirco_ | blazfx: depends on how the TP is connected to your LAptop |
| 08:33.54 | karsten | deadcat: .... and ... |
| 08:33.55 | deadcat | weasel00: linuxmafia.com/cabal |
| 08:33.59 | karsten | deadcat: ... she didn't barf. |
| 08:33.59 | weasel00 | VI is da b0m8 |
| 08:34.03 | nadjyla | hello |
| 08:34.04 | Zugschlus | Stevie: very nice |
| 08:34.06 | bemag | karsten: and do i exit irssi-text? |
| 08:34.06 | deadcat | karsten: hehehe |
| 08:34.12 | karsten | bemag: /quit |
| 08:34.15 | Stevie | karsten: haha |
| 08:34.15 | Zugschlus | !dpkg start an irc network war |
| 08:34.15 | dpkg | Efnet kicks ass |
| 08:34.15 | blazefx | I mean I remember with gentoo I compiled my own kernel with all of the devices, but how do I do something like that in debian? |
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| 08:34.18 | bemag | karsten: how do i... |
| 08:34.24 | blazefx | Or atleast how can I add the correct drivers? |
| 08:34.25 | mirco_ | blazefx: us lsusb to check if it's a USB device |
| 08:34.27 | karsten | bemag: Read the Fine Manual. |
| 08:34.33 | Stevie | !start a video card war |
| 08:34.40 | deadcat | karsten: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20060302_12816.png and the previous 3 |
| 08:34.41 | bemag | karsten: ok...i got it....thanx |
| 08:34.43 | Stevie | !start a memory war |
| 08:34.51 | Stevie | !start a hard drive war |
| 08:34.51 | dpkg | Western Digital disks suck ass! |
| 08:34.55 | Zugschlus | !start a holy war |
| 08:34.57 | Stevie | there we go |
| 08:34.59 | dpkg | pico is the worst editor ever |
| 08:35.04 | kevix | !start a nuclear war |
| 08:35.04 | dpkg | SHALL WE PLAY A GAME? |
| 08:35.09 | Stevie | hahahahahaha |
| 08:35.13 | weasel00 | will i be forced to drink the blood of a Mac worship the almighty penguin eye of the floating triangle logic? |
| 08:35.18 | Stevie | oh that's great |
| 08:35.20 | Zugschlus | !start a conventional war |
| 08:35.24 | deadcat | karsten: heres my bowling score.. career high so far. (= http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2006/20060214.bowling/20060302_canonS230_2599.jpg |
| 08:35.26 | streuner | Factoid search of 'war' by key (15 of 437): #debian start a fs war ; ... /msg dpkg listkeys war |
| 08:35.27 | blazefx | micro_ i don't think its usb |
| 08:35.31 | karsten | weasel00: You might be offered a beer. |
| 08:35.34 | blazefx | its the standard touchpad mouse on a laptop |
| 08:35.38 | \amethyst | For some reason, the War Games thing always reminds me of Pokey the Penguin |
| 08:35.38 | karsten | weasel00: .. there's some dead guys in the house. |
| 08:35.39 | weasel00 | SOLD! |
| 08:35.50 | Stevie | !start a kernel war |
| 08:35.50 | dpkg | 2.4 is buggy as hell! |
| 08:35.54 | deadcat | weasel00: hahaha. |
| 08:35.55 | blazefx | lol |
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| 08:36.09 | Zugschlus | !start a dd war |
| 08:36.13 | Stevie | man, what else could we do? |
| 08:36.17 | bernardo | ok.... |
| 08:36.18 | Stevie | !start an archive war |
| 08:36.21 | bernardo | i got it!! |
| 08:36.24 | deadcat | weasel00: once we get the new guys drunk, we take nake picture of him and blackmail his ass (= |
| 08:36.26 | Stevie | !start a filesystem war |
| 08:36.28 | Return0 | I'm not that familiar with linux, but I had to set up subversion on a debian box at school. I installed it using apt-get install, but I forgot to update first, and so I'm trying to do so now. How can I just upgrade subversion, and potentially it's dependencies, without upgrading everything else? I don't want to screw up this box. |
| 08:36.33 | Stevie | hrm |
| 08:36.38 | Stevie | !start an fs war |
| 08:36.39 | dpkg | ext3 uses too much overhead! |
| 08:36.42 | Stevie | there we go |
| 08:36.45 | Zugschlus | Return0: just try reinstalling |
| 08:36.51 | bernardo | karsten: thanx for helping me |
| 08:37.08 | Return0 | reinstalling subversion? I can't do an apt-get upgrade on just subversion somehow? |
| 08:37.14 | mirco_ | blazefx: If you're not shure you better test it, you could cat /dev/psaux and should see weird sign's if it's the correct device |
| 08:37.18 | kevix | Return0: apt-get update; apt-get install subversion |
| 08:37.48 | Return0 | oh. |
| 08:37.59 | kevix | weasel00: and how about a matching 'sponsor' tee-shirt! |
| 08:38.29 | Stevie | !start a website war |
| 08:38.33 | Stevie | hm |
| 08:38.41 | Stevie | !start a mail client war |
| 08:38.48 | deadcat | mua |
| 08:38.51 | Stevie | what else is there? |
| 08:38.53 | SimonRaven | do you mind? that's a bit much |
| 08:38.55 | Stevie | !start an mua war |
| 08:38.55 | dpkg | kmail sucks |
| 08:38.58 | weasel00 | kevix : sorry but i dont have a PABST shirt *cries* |
| 08:39.05 | SimonRaven | Stevie: ^^ |
| 08:39.14 | Stevie | heh, ok |
| 08:39.21 | kevix | weasel00: american beer? |
| 08:39.36 | SimonRaven | go to #debian-bots and use listkeys/listvals to find them |
| 08:39.40 | kevix | !dpkg beer weasel100 |
| 08:39.48 | SimonRaven | !botabuse |
| 08:39.48 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 08:39.59 | Return0 | hrmm, bummer. I guess aptitude doesn't have the newest version like I thought. |
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| 08:40.20 | deadcat | karsten: i THINK my online library study class is over since i summitted my last assignment via webct. maybe i will attend the next cabal.. last week i had to do that stupid shit.... |
| 08:40.22 | weasel00 | kevix : http://www.pabst.com/ on of the finest malt liquours -) |
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| 08:41.04 | weasel00 | kevix : 12 oz bottle runs about 47 cents usd |
| 08:41.19 | derobert | For a while now, I've seen an interesting brokeness on my xterms. When I first open an xterm, often line-wrap does not work. Running 'clear' fixes it. Anyone else seen this, or have a fix? |
| 08:41.28 | weasel00 | yuengling... chinese? |
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| 08:41.46 | deadcat | karsten: oh. and my ibook mainboard is down and its in the shop. so i didnt feel like going |
| 08:42.01 | deadcat | weasel00: looks like it. |
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| 08:42.20 | \amethyst | derobert: I've seen that in gnome-terminals, but it hasn't bugged me enough to check BTS yet |
| 08:42.30 | \amethyst | derobert: I suspect it's readline's fault |
| 08:42.53 | \amethyst | derobert: It doesn't happen every time for me |
| 08:42.57 | derobert | \amethyst: Possibly.... hmmm.... I wonder, let me try an xterm that is not running bash |
| 08:43.04 | weasel00 | nope its eastern.. i tried to get a pallet in from some distributers at the time for a customer i was working with.. it never made dist past the appalaction mtns |
| 08:43.04 | derobert | \amethyst: yeah, its somewhat random here too |
| 08:43.23 | weasel00 | eastern = east coast usa |
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| 08:44.08 | \amethyst | derobert: and if it works after clearing the screen, it's not control characters in PS1 or anything like that |
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| 08:44.37 | \amethyst | If you have any terminal escapes in your PS1, they should be surrounded by \[ \] |
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| 08:44.53 | \amethyst | but I still get the intermittent problem here |
| 08:45.07 | derobert | \amethyst: I'll check the terminal escapes. |
| 08:45.16 | derobert | \amethyst: oh, btw, 'xterm -e cat' doesn't show the issue, AFAICT |
| 08:45.40 | \amethyst | readline is wrapping the line itself |
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| 08:45.56 | \amethyst | there is a readline command to redraw the current line, I think |
| 08:45.57 | weasel00 | argh... why cant linux distro's agree on installation methods for well established products.. like apache architecture.. *screams |
| 08:46.12 | derobert | \amethyst: odd, neither does xterm -e sh |
| 08:46.18 | derobert | \amethyst: but xterm -e bash does |
| 08:46.21 | Garp | (bebye) |
| 08:46.26 | \amethyst | derobert: hm |
| 08:46.38 | \amethyst | derobert: and your sh is bash, isn't it? |
| 08:46.41 | derobert | \amethyst: (and yes, sh is bash on this machine) |
| 08:46.43 | SimonRaven | heh, that was cute |
| 08:46.45 | \amethyst | derobert: that implies it's something on the rcs |
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| 08:46.49 | \amethyst | s/on/in/ |
| 08:47.02 | derobert | \amethyst: prompt is different, so maybe it is the prompt... odd that it suddenly broke.... |
| 08:47.17 | \amethyst | readline or bash upgrade? |
| 08:47.40 | derobert | \amethyst: No idea, 'twas a while ago. |
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| 08:47.58 | derobert | \amethyst: worked fine with Sarge, though |
| 08:48.05 | derobert | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.13 | \amethyst | aha |
| 08:48.21 | \amethyst | hmm |
| 08:48.22 | \amethyst | well |
| 08:48.27 | \amethyst | actually, I don't know |
| 08:48.29 | \amethyst | let's see |
| 08:48.35 | derobert | nope, commenting that out doesn't fix it |
| 08:49.09 | roxy_ | I am trying to use music player. I got an error message saying permission denied, could not access /dev/hdc :( |
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| 08:49.24 | \amethyst | derobert: aha |
| 08:49.29 | derobert | ... odd, the custom title doesn't go away either. Wonder if its set in multiple places |
| 08:49.30 | roxy_ | is the solution as easy as a chown |
| 08:49.45 | SimonRaven | adduser youruser cdrom; chgrp cdrom /deb/hdc |
| 08:49.48 | \amethyst | derobert: here, it happens whenever I type characters before the first prompt displays |
| 08:50.02 | roxy_ | SimonRaven: thanks |
| 08:50.02 | \amethyst | derobert: nm, it's not just then |
| 08:50.03 | liran | doesn't the install disc have a rescue mode? |
| 08:50.07 | SimonRaven | id ; if in cdrom ood else log out log in again (completely) |
| 08:50.08 | SimonRaven | dev* |
| 08:50.16 | weasel00 | roxy_ shouldnt be playing that rated M music =) |
| 08:50.20 | SimonRaven | s/ood/good/ |
| 08:50.30 | derobert | PS1='\u@\h:\W\$ ' |
| 08:50.34 | derobert | so nothing funny there |
| 08:50.46 | SimonRaven | completely and boringly normal |
| 08:51.19 | kevix | derobert: I have a bash shell called from inside my prompt. |
| 08:51.20 | \amethyst | derobert: here it only happens at the first prompt |
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| 08:51.44 | \amethyst | derobert: before I hit enter the first time, it can't wrap properly even if I ctrl-l |
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| 08:51.53 | \amethyst | derobert: but after that, I never have a problem |
| 08:51.58 | derobert | \amethyst: C-L doesn't fix it here, but clear does |
| 08:52.07 | \amethyst | derobert: does just pressing enter work |
| 08:52.08 | \amethyst | ? |
| 08:52.08 | karsten | deadcat: Pisser WRT the ibook. |
| 08:52.26 | \amethyst | derobert: I mean, does it still have wrapping problems on the second line of input? |
| 08:52.28 | derobert | \amethyst: no, just 'clear' |
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| 08:52.40 | \amethyst | derobert: hm, not the same problem then, but maybe related |
| 08:52.44 | derobert | \amethyst: it does still have problems, until I run clear... no matter now many lines |
| 08:53.10 | iciclebox | how do I make a program autostart in debian kde? |
| 08:53.19 | \amethyst | derobert: perhaps it's already set in your wm |
| 08:53.27 | \amethyst | derobert: whatever you're launching xterm from |
| 08:53.47 | derobert | \amethyst: nah, its not exported... and tried to launch an xterm from an xterm where I explicitly unset it, still there. |
| 08:54.10 | \amethyst | derobert: in any of the rc files? |
| 08:54.19 | derobert | \amethyst: grep'ing now..... |
| 08:54.21 | deadcat | karsten: WRT? |
| 08:54.21 | karsten | derobert: Unset it ;-) |
| 08:54.31 | karsten | !wrt |
| 08:54.31 | dpkg | hmm... wrt is with respect to, or with regards to |
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| 08:54.48 | derobert | karsten: well, I need to unset it before the first bash prompt line, so.... |
| 08:54.49 | deadcat | karsten: ya. dont know what up. luckily i have applecare til aug (= |
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| 08:54.58 | karsten | deadcat: Coolio. |
| 08:55.05 | kevix | \amethyst: gnome has .gnomerc. what about kde? |
| 08:55.14 | \amethyst | kevix: I don't use KDE |
| 08:55.18 | derobert | Aha! it's in /etc/bash.bashrc as well |
| 08:55.23 | karsten | derobert: Yeah. I found it useful to set a smiley-face bash prompt. Or rather, a frownie when exit status was > 0. |
| 08:55.36 | gary | can you see anything wrong with this: find /home/backups/mysql/*.tar.gz -mtime +7 -exec rm -f {} ; |
| 08:55.36 | derobert | karsten: that's a neat idea |
| 08:55.43 | gary | I get the error "missing argument to -exec" |
| 08:55.46 | karsten | derobert: Got it from an IRC chat transcript ;-) |
| 08:55.47 | gary | but from the man page it looks fine |
| 08:55.49 | kevix | karsten: cool. |
| 08:56.38 | derobert | \amethyst, karsten: Ok, having killed all instances of PROMPT_COMMAND, I can now confirm that doesn't help.... |
| 08:56.47 | weasel00 | ~chmod |
| 08:56.49 | apt | If you do not know how to use chmod but ask for a lesson in \"Chmod 101\" classes, we feel sorry for you, or simple octal, with r=4 w=2 x=1. rwxr-xr-- = (rwx) (r-x) (r--) = (4+2+1) (4+0+1) (4+0+0) = 754 |
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| 08:57.02 | weasel00 | lol |
| 08:57.07 | karsten | derobert: 'unset PROMPT_COMMAND'. And I confess I missed the start of this conversation. |
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| 08:57.49 | derobert | karsten: The start was: For a while now, I've seen an interesting brokeness on my xterms. When I first open an xterm, often line-wrap does not work. Running 'clear' fixes it. Anyone else seen this, or have a fix? |
| 08:57.49 | \amethyst | derobert: check the BTS, I guess... |
| 08:58.04 | karsten | derobert: I'm seeing it. |
| 08:58.36 | karsten | derobert: ... and thanks for the 'clear' hack, I wasn't aware of that. |
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| 08:58.47 | karsten | derobert: ... line wrap on command history recall, right? |
| 08:58.48 | derobert | karsten, \amethyst: Hmmm.... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=348111 |
| 08:59.01 | derobert | karsten: Well, line wrap everywhere.... |
| 08:59.32 | weasel00 | deadcat : you every ssh into the brazillians box? |
| 08:59.45 | \amethyst | derobert: well, it's not fixed for me :) |
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| 09:00.08 | derobert | \amethyst: No, that package was just uploaded, ummm, several hours ago. Not even in unstable yet. |
| 09:00.12 | deadcat | weasel00: no. he never got it working |
| 09:00.22 | deadcat | weasel00: and he never tell me anything |
| 09:00.37 | \amethyst | ah |
| 09:00.39 | weasel00 | deadcat : its up now.. i just got a cert request when i thought i was logging into my box lol |
| 09:00.50 | deadcat | oh |
| 09:00.59 | \amethyst | wasn't aware the dpkg version number was so different from the upstream version |
| 09:01.07 | derobert | \amethyst: 'tis in incoming.debian.org though.... |
| 09:01.12 | deadcat | weasel00: 200.150.175.133 right? |
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| 09:01.30 | weasel00 | yeo |
| 09:01.32 | weasel00 | yep |
| 09:01.36 | deadcat | dont work here. |
| 09:01.49 | \amethyst | derobert: well, that's good to know |
| 09:02.35 | eniacx | would there be any issues compiling something on a debian system, and then running it on another distro such as fedora? |
| 09:02.53 | SlammerXP | eniacx: It Depends[tm] |
| 09:02.53 | tremor | gary: i think, you miss a '\' before the ';' |
| 09:02.54 | \amethyst | eniacx: possibly different library sonames |
| 09:03.08 | gary | tremor: thanks, i just got it working :D |
| 09:03.13 | weasel00 | deadcat : wierd |
| 09:03.15 | eniacx | if the shared libraries were the same? |
| 09:03.19 | gary | just need to put my script in cron now |
| 09:03.21 | SlammerXP | eniacx: It Depends[tm] |
| 09:03.21 | tremor | gary: ok, fine :) |
| 09:03.35 | \amethyst | eniacx: the version numbers on the libraries might be different |
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| 09:03.51 | eniacx | \amethyst: if the versions and names matched up? |
| 09:04.11 | eniacx | would there be anything else stopping me? |
| 09:04.16 | \amethyst | eniacx: you'll have a good chance of getting it working then |
| 09:04.21 | weasel00 | whats the story on this analog directory on my www path? |
| 09:04.22 | kevix | eniacx: you are free to try. just not sure of the result. |
| 09:04.38 | derobert | \amethyst: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343471 has a workaround |
| 09:04.38 | \amethyst | eniacx: of course, you have to know the other OS's conventions for fs layout etc |
| 09:04.52 | \amethyst | eniacx: but that's not a compiler issue |
| 09:05.05 | kevix | \amethyst: since debian use FHS, should not every one x-) |
| 09:05.30 | eniacx | \amethyst, yeah, well if the app is interacting with the OS's fs |
| 09:05.32 | \amethyst | kevix: It's a lot better than it was when I started using Linux |
| 09:07.27 | weasel00 | uh oh... #apache is commenting on how out of debian and its security updates are... |
| 09:07.50 | weasel00 | ...out of date... |
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| 09:08.14 | kevix | weasel00: they are always welcomed to help out! |
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| 09:08.54 | \amethyst | kevix: would random people in #apache be welcome to work with the security team? |
| 09:08.58 | SimonRaven | that's openldap did. they have 2 of their team cooperating with the openldap debian maintainer team |
| 09:09.17 | \amethyst | apache team with security team should be happening anyway |
| 09:09.22 | \amethyst | but who knows |
| 09:09.58 | \amethyst | s/team/foundation/ |
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| 09:10.04 | kevix | \amethyst: actaully, I not sure how people get into higher position in debian other then starting from the bottom and work in debian for N years. |
| 09:10.43 | \amethyst | kevix: And security team seems rather secretive (understandably) |
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| 09:11.20 | SimonRaven | some of the process is secret, but there's attempts at keeping everything else open |
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| 09:11.25 | \amethyst | perhaps `opaque' is a better word |
| 09:11.36 | SimonRaven | i mean secret |
| 09:11.44 | weasel00 | grrr... even apache's setup is so different looking on debian than fedora... |
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| 09:12.06 | SimonRaven | i like debian's way; but yes, updates are too infrequent |
| 09:12.24 | kevix | weasel00: what part of the setup? |
| 09:13.16 | weasel00 | took too long to find the actual conf file and the variables are different.. or maybe im old and the brian has forgotten everything |
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| 09:13.47 | SimonRaven | what variables? |
| 09:13.56 | weasel00 | "brian" would be my better half in the mirror that seems to know everything ;) |
| 09:14.08 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 09:14.43 | gary | when my computer boots up it loads a lot of usb_ohci modules and things like that. I have checked /etc/modules but none of them are currently enabled |
| 09:14.49 | gary | any ideas how to remove these |
| 09:14.56 | gary | ... from bootup |
| 09:15.12 | weasel00 | user/group, logs, some of globals... just taking me a while to find everything |
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| 09:15.29 | kevix | gary: there are various 'discovery' methods employed to detect hardware. |
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| 09:17.04 | weasel00 | maybe its that im used to 2,2 and this is 2.0 ... or maybe its just the pabst thinking ;) |
| 09:17.06 | gary | kevix: the reason I ask is my hard drive is starting to freeze/fail on bootup, when I reboot it it normally boots fine after a quick fcsk. However, I'm nots ure why this is happening. I checked smarctl but don't really know what I'm looking for |
| 09:17.44 | weasel00 | gary : hd failure? |
| 09:17.57 | kevix | gary: do you have 'discover' installed ? if a modules is causing problems you can 'blacklist' it. |
| 09:18.11 | gary | installing it now |
| 09:18.14 | gary | never heard of it before |
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| 09:19.46 | gary | well, it didn't print anything about errors |
| 09:20.10 | gary | On the smartctl thing, it did mention two errors: |
| 09:20.19 | gary | "Error 1 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 9899 hours (412 days + 11 hours) |
| 09:20.20 | gary | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:20.51 | weasel00 | SimonRaven : where is the line for setting the www directory in the apache2.conf? |
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| 09:21.59 | kevix | weasel00: documentroot ? |
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| 09:22.56 | weasel00 | negative |
| 09:23.29 | Return0 | I'm trying to set up a new user on my friend's box, but after I create the user, I'm having trouble su'ing to it, it seems to timeout and returns me to the same user I was. |
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| 09:25.34 | cahoot | weasel: not stumbled on the README in /etc/apache2? |
| 09:25.38 | kevix | Return0: timeout on a localhost? |
| 09:25.55 | Return0 | well I'm shh'd in |
| 09:26.14 | iciclebox | how do I make a program autostart in debian kde? |
| 09:26.15 | weasel00 | should be in the .conf ... *opens the readme |
| 09:26.20 | Return0 | but, I'm recieving the text fine |
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| 09:27.34 | Return0 | earlier today I created a new user for subversion, but I couldn't log into it via ssh later that day, I'd only tried su'ing to it from the same terminal I created it with |
| 09:27.46 | kevix | cahoot: I dont have a readme or any text file in /etc/apache2 ? |
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| 09:28.02 | Return0 | which at the time I was able to do fine, as well as start the svnserve process |
| 09:28.23 | cahoot | kevix: I do |
| 09:28.33 | Return0 | I haven't been able to log on to that account or create a new one since, and I stupidly killed the svnserve process |
| 09:29.11 | kevix | Return0: maybe strace su .... |
| 09:29.36 | tremor | iciclebox: there should exist a directory ~/.kde/Autostart or so |
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| 09:29.56 | weasel00 | cahoot : README mentions nothing regarding it |
| 09:30.16 | kevix | !dpkg autostart kde is ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 09:30.16 | dpkg | okay, kevix |
| 09:30.27 | tremor | have a look there. maybe you can create a link/symbol or so with konqueror itself there |
| 09:31.49 | weasel00 | so weird... etc/apache2/sites-available/default. < contains the doc root... |
| 09:32.06 | ignotus | hello, is it possible to have different passwords for local (console, su etc) and remote (ssh) logins? |
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| 09:32.46 | tamer | hi people! |
| 09:33.09 | tamer | Hey people, I want all debian packages from apt.sources registered... can somebody tell me the lines?! |
| 09:33.17 | observer31 | ignotus: No, make different users if you want different passwords |
| 09:33.37 | cahoot | ignotus: use passphrase for ssh? |
| 09:33.39 | kevix | tamer: not sure what 'registered' means? |
| 09:33.39 | weasel00 | awwww grandma left :( |
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| 09:34.09 | kevix | weasel00: didn't she get run over by a reindeer? |
| 09:34.13 | tziku | hello, anybody know where keep psybnc privatelogs ? |
| 09:34.13 | tamer | the entries in the sources.list |
| 09:34.15 | tamer | I need them |
| 09:34.32 | tamer | even to to have access to all packages available at debian |
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| 09:34.39 | tamer | I am running ubuntu |
| 09:34.42 | kevix | tamer: apt-get update? that updates them from the listed repositories |
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| 09:35.09 | tamer | but not for ubuntu, could you tell me the entries at your debian system?! |
| 09:35.13 | kevix | tamer: that is a question for #ubuntu |
| 09:35.13 | Eulex | !ubuntu |
| 09:35.14 | dpkg | somebody said ubuntu was not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 09:35.21 | tamer | no, it is not |
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| 09:35.30 | brosioz | anyone known if wpa-psk is secure more than wep128 ? |
| 09:35.43 | weasel00 | kevix : not sure.. just said she left *sniff* didnt even say goodbye *sniffle |
| 09:35.45 | aedwards868 | yea it is |
| 09:35.49 | tamer | because only you guys have debian installed, and you could look for me in the "sources.list" file |
| 09:36.09 | Return0 | what's weird is it doesn't give me authentication errors, it just fails to log in or change users. |
| 09:36.16 | tamer | it is the file: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:36.18 | aedwards868 | Brosios, yes |
| 09:36.19 | kevix | tamer: ubuntu has something called 'universe'. ask in #ubuntu |
| 09:36.34 | tamer | okay, thank you |
| 09:36.36 | tamer | sorry |
| 09:36.36 | Eulex | tamer, you mean you want to use packages from debian in ubuntu? that's unsupported and dangerous, and we won't tell you how to do it. |
| 09:36.46 | Eulex | tamer, also, if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
| 09:37.03 | tamer | why unsupported?! |
| 09:37.10 | kevix | Eulex: you are correct, that is what 'universe' is for. |
| 09:37.12 | tamer | ubuntu is allmost the same as debian |
| 09:37.18 | tamer | the poackaging system is the same |
| 09:37.21 | Eulex | tamer, because debian is not ubuntu. |
| 09:37.31 | tamer | question people... |
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| 09:37.35 | tamer | another question |
| 09:37.40 | quitte_ | !ask |
| 09:37.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 09:37.46 | observer31 | Eulex: YOU won't tell tamer, the rest of us will if we figure out what he really wants |
| 09:37.46 | JaVaSan | look at official site... |
| 09:37.48 | tamer | is the debian installer different as the one from ubuntu? |
| 09:38.13 | tamer | I am thinking to use debian in future... |
| 09:38.22 | wols_ | yes it is different |
| 09:38.26 | kevix | tamer: they are made by the same people, from the same source, but changed for ubuntu |
| 09:38.34 | tamer | ahhhhhh |
| 09:38.54 | Eulex | observer31, well, I just said that I won't tell him how to mix debian and ubuntu... and I don't think anybody else will help him doing that |
| 09:39.21 | streuner_ | tamer: sounds like a question for #debian-boot |
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| 09:39.43 | tamer | has debian isos available that fit one 1 CD too? |
| 09:39.51 | kevix | Eulex: so long as he tried to ask general enough question, we can help, just not on the ubuntu stuff (at least no too many) |
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| 09:40.04 | wols_ | yes. debian has installers from 40MB up to the full 14CD kaboodle |
| 09:40.05 | Eulex | kevix, of course. |
| 09:40.06 | Return0 | This is so strange, the only way I can apparantly su into my user is to su to root, and then su to the other user, since it doesn't require me to auth |
| 09:40.16 | tamer | or do I have to download the entire system completly as sets of CD? |
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| 09:40.30 | Return0 | well that might not be why exactly but it's the only observable difference. |
| 09:40.47 | streuner_ | !tell tamer about ig |
| 09:40.48 | Eulex | tamer, no. not if you have a fast wired internet connection on the machine. if you don't, you'll usually need 2-3 cds. |
| 09:40.51 | quitte | Return0: forgot you password? |
| 09:40.54 | Return0 | nah |
| 09:41.02 | wols_ | Return0: you're sure that "other user" has a set password? |
| 09:41.04 | Return0 | It doesn't give me auth errors. |
| 09:41.16 | kevix | tamer: the cd's are created based upon usefulness and popularity. the first 2 cd's will install the base system, X, kde and gnome |
| 09:41.16 | k6 | - |
| 09:41.18 | Return0 | yeah I even reset it with passwd from root |
| 09:41.21 | streuner_ | tamer: read ig (installation guide) - it will answer you many questions |
| 09:41.37 | wols_ | streuner_: reading is HARD |
| 09:41.40 | quitte | Return0: does the user have a valid login shell? |
| 09:41.51 | Return0 | good question, how do I find out? |
| 09:42.05 | streuner_ | !be a man-page barbie |
| 09:42.05 | dpkg | Aww, man-page is HARD! Let's go shopping, streuner_ |
| 09:42.05 | weasel00 | streuner : unless your trying to use floppies for install |
| 09:42.08 | quitte | it's in the passwd file |
| 09:42.10 | kevix | quitte: would that be in /etc/passwd |
| 09:42.14 | aedwards868 | cat /etc/passwd | grep username |
| 09:42.24 | tamer | thank you very much for your help! |
| 09:42.31 | tamer | You are all really great |
| 09:42.35 | observer31 | tamer, kevix: AFAIK I just had to download one iso image, everything else dl as needed via http |
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| 09:42.44 | tamer | This is SUPER! |
| 09:42.52 | tamer | where did you download it? |
| 09:42.57 | Eulex | !d-i tamer |
| 09:42.58 | dpkg | tamer, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 09:43.07 | tamer | did you make it with jigdo or full download as ISO? |
| 09:43.13 | Return0 | yeah it seems valid to me. |
| 09:43.15 | streuner_ | tamer: why not just read ig? |
| 09:43.23 | wols_ | see above why |
| 09:43.23 | kevix | observer31: there are many ways to install debian. with jigdo, cd iso, business card iso, net-installer. |
| 09:43.26 | miweit00 | hi, can anybody help me, to get the scrollwheel working? I have quite a minimal sargeinstallation with Icewm |
| 09:43.39 | weasel00 | tamer : make it easy... 3 floppy disks and dl via ftp/http *grin* |
| 09:43.42 | Return0 | it's /bin/bash, and I can run that just fine |
| 09:43.50 | tamer | :) |
| 09:44.08 | tamer | I don't understand "jigdo" tool |
| 09:44.11 | kevix | miweit00: one setting is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 09:44.11 | tamer | what does it make? |
| 09:44.19 | kevix | !jigdo |
| 09:44.19 | dpkg | [jigdo] *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 09:44.21 | tamer | will it fetches for me the latest packages? |
| 09:44.32 | streuner_ | tamer: that depends on your sources.list |
| 09:44.43 | streuner_ | !tell tamer about sid faq |
| 09:44.53 | Return0 | I'm on a remote terminal, could that be a problem? |
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| 09:45.13 | Eulex | tamer, well, do you have a fast wired internet connection on the box you want to install debian on? |
| 09:45.24 | kevix | Return0: if you login as root, what should you not be able to do? |
| 09:45.35 | miweit00 | kevix, there is no xorg.conf. do i have to create ist? |
| 09:45.39 | tamer | 512kb/s |
| 09:45.46 | tamer | soon I get 2mbit/s |
| 09:45.46 | streuner_ | tamer: you usually don't need jigdo, because its a way to download from different sources, usually needed when debian release new |
| 09:45.59 | Eulex | tamer, ok, use the netinst then. |
| 09:46.10 | Eulex | !netinst |
| 09:46.10 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For sarge, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ For boot floppies see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ For etch see http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/beta1/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso for x86, or see dialup install. Also see d-i. |
| 09:46.11 | Return0 | a lot of things... /shrug |
| 09:46.15 | kevix | miweit00: are you using Xorg or Xfree86 |
| 09:46.26 | miweit00 | XFree86 |
| 09:46.34 | Return0 | log in remotely? |
| 09:46.38 | Return0 | I don't know :P |
| 09:46.50 | kevix | miweit00: then its set in /etc/X11/XFree86-4.conf |
| 09:46.55 | aedwards868 | What is the difference between xorg and xfree86? |
| 09:46.57 | Eulex | tamer, you download a ~100mb iso, burn it, boot it, then it downloads the rest of what you want. |
| 09:47.07 | tamer | Thank you man! |
| 09:47.13 | JaVaSan | aedwards868, good question =) |
| 09:47.14 | kevix | aedwards868: Xorg isa newer X server |
| 09:47.31 | JaVaSan | hm... |
| 09:47.36 | miweit00 | there is XF86Config-4 without .comf |
| 09:47.45 | streuner_ | aedwards868: in debian? xfree86 is used in sarge/stable, but most distros use xorg nowadays... |
| 09:47.53 | kevix | miweit00: yea that's it. |
| 09:48.19 | Return0 | even as root sometimes switching to the other user doesn't work |
| 09:48.24 | Return0 | why would this process fail? |
| 09:48.27 | streuner_ | aedwards868: xorg is in etch/testing and sid/unstable and as backport avaiable for stable/sarge |
| 09:48.32 | kevix | miweit00: do you have ' Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
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| 09:48.42 | Eulex | tamer, yw :) so then you only need to download exactly what you need. |
| 09:49.00 | Eulex | need/want |
| 09:49.11 | observer31 | aedwards868: Xorg forked from xfree86. The world is gradually migrating from xfree86 to xorg. Wait for debian to do it for you :-) |
| 09:49.21 | miweit00 | is there also a way to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 09:49.23 | JaVaSan | what's the best? xorg or XFree86 ? |
| 09:49.23 | weasel00 | GD (graphic libs(?)) did not install with the setup... how do i go about remedeying this? |
| 09:49.27 | tamer | Is kde 3.5.1 also for debian available? |
| 09:49.27 | Return0 | the user cannot possibly be set up properly |
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| 09:50.00 | streuner_ | JaVaSan: well, depends on your needs (videocard) |
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| 09:50.08 | quitte | Return0: using su user as root never fails. maybe you su'ed to a user before and thought you were root? |
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| 09:50.25 | Return0 | yea |
| 09:50.26 | kevix | miweit00: try that first and see if it askes about scroll wheel |
| 09:50.35 | Return0 | su'd and then whoami'd and it didn't work |
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| 09:50.47 | Return0 | and there's a big delay before I get my prompt back when I try to su |
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| 09:50.57 | Eulex | tamer, 3.3.2 is currently in stable. 3.5.1 is currently in testing and unstable. there are backports of kde 3.5.0, though. |
| 09:51.12 | kevix | weasel00: what are you trying to install? |
| 09:51.14 | miweit00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.14 | miweit00 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:51.22 | miweit00 | last line is there twice |
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| 09:51.52 | tremor | have to go. nice day/night to all. |
| 09:51.59 | weasel00 | kevix : need GD2 its for on the fly image creation, used for bot checks, and backgrounds... |
| 09:52.04 | sewi | hello, do you know where is on the internet a basch/sh script that give you propositions of CFLAGS for your running PC? I mean if it's 686/k7/athlon/pentium2/pentium4? I saw this script somewere but now I cannot find it, any help? |
| 09:52.07 | streuner_ | tamer: as long as you are able to read man-pages and docs and have a brain, yes. |
| 09:52.08 | kevix | miweit00: then maybe Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" |
| 09:52.16 | tamer | hahahaha |
| 09:52.17 | tamer | :) |
| 09:52.25 | tamer | Thank you streuner_ |
| 09:52.26 | tamer | :) |
| 09:52.30 | SerajewelKS | sewi: man gcc, see -march |
| 09:52.40 | Tim^^ | kann mir jemand mit postfix helfen? |
| 09:52.48 | quitte | #debiande |
| 09:52.51 | quitte | #debian.de |
| 09:52.52 | streuner_ | timo: speak english here |
| 09:53.01 | streuner_ | Tim^^: speak english here |
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| 09:53.04 | Tim^^ | ok! |
| 09:53.06 | Tim^^ | sorry |
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| 09:53.20 | weasel00 | <-- shiste kompf |
| 09:53.33 | sewi | SerajewelKS: I need this script :) |
| 09:53.42 | kevix | weasel00: try apt-cache search gd2 |
| 09:53.48 | streuner_ | Tim^^: what's the problem? |
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| 09:54.13 | miweit00 | there are two sections concerning the mouse |
| 09:54.18 | quitte | sewi: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:54.19 | miweit00 | Section "InputDevice" |
| 09:54.19 | miweit00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.21 | Schocko | hi |
| 09:54.31 | miweit00 | and: Section "InputDevice" |
| 09:54.31 | miweit00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.40 | Tim^^ | my postfix didn't send emails to /home/Maildir/ |
| 09:54.44 | kevix | miweit00: which one is used? |
| 09:54.48 | weasel00 | kevix : ah crap.. i dont which ones i need lol |
| 09:54.59 | weasel00 | ...dont "know" which... |
| 09:55.09 | miweit00 | i don't know |
| 09:55.40 | kevix | miweit00: check in the serverlayout section |
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| 09:56.40 | miweit00 | looks like both mice are there |
| 09:56.43 | observer31 | Tim^^: You'll probably get better help from the Postfix mailing list (start at www.postfix.org) because yr problem doesn't sound debian-specific |
| 09:56.46 | miweit00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.46 | miweit00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.00 | streuner_ | Tim^^: do you have procmail installed? |
| 09:57.33 | kevix | miweit00: i dont recall being about to setup 2 mice with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:57.37 | weasel00 | more i use apt the more im liking it =) |
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| 09:57.41 | Tim^^ | no only fetchmail, postfix and courier |
| 09:58.01 | streuner_ | !procmail |
| 09:58.01 | dpkg | methinks procmail is the ultimate way to process your incoming mail into folders, feed it to external programs, and so on. http://www.procmail.org/, or ask me about procmail tutorial |
| 09:58.05 | kevix | weasel00: try this: apt-get moo |
| 09:58.18 | Tim^^ | postfix and fetchmail are ok |
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| 09:58.26 | weasel00 | kevix : im afraid =) |
| 09:58.27 | sewi | quitte: I want to set CFLAGS for a particular PC and the script I'm looking for was made for this purpose. I know that I have -march=pentium4 but this scripts gave me some other CFLAGS which I forgot now. Anyway I'm also wondering what -mfpmath=sse option is recommended for my procesor? |
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| 09:59.02 | weasel00 | rolf |
| 09:59.20 | streuner_ | timo: well, postfix need to know that you use procmail then... |
| 09:59.37 | quitte | sewi: and why are you doing this? debian is not gentoo. |
| 09:59.56 | Tim^^ | why procmail? |
| 10:00.11 | Tim^^ | sorry i am a n00b ^^ |
| 10:00.14 | kevix | !beer weasel00 |
| 10:00.32 | wols_ | Tim^^: you misconfigured your postfix |
| 10:00.39 | wols_ | procmail is not necessary |
| 10:00.43 | weasel00 | mm some of germanys finest |
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| 10:01.04 | wols_ | Tim^^: paste your main.cf in a pastebin please |
| 10:01.38 | streuner_ | wols_: soon or later he just need procmail ;-) |
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| 10:03.15 | Return0 | Something is really odd with that user |
| 10:03.31 | weasel00 | miweit00? |
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| 10:03.45 | wols_ | Return0: does this user have a password set? does it have a shell assigned? |
| 10:03.48 | Return0 | I think both times I managed to log in with the user I attempted a user break while su'ing because it was taking so long |
| 10:03.55 | quitte | really funny that spaten sells optimator in the usa. i wonder what that is |
| 10:04.00 | sewi | quitte: sometimes I'm compiling my own programs so why should I compile with the default flags? |
| 10:04.02 | Return0 | and then suddenly I was the user I was trying to switch to |
| 10:04.14 | Return0 | wols_, yes and yes |
| 10:04.38 | streuner_ | quitte: i don't think they brew it new... |
| 10:04.40 | weasel00 | quitte : darker version of spaten |
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| 10:05.11 | quitte | sewi: ask some gentoo users then. they should know |
| 10:05.32 | sewi | quitte: and is it a good idea to recompile some critical packages for speed reasons? |
| 10:05.50 | Kasha | Hi, May i write in FIFO file from bash(sh) ? |
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| 10:06.48 | kevix | sewi: debian has some pacakges with different CPU settings: kernel, mplayer, etc. |
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| 10:06.58 | weasel00 | where is mysql hiding from fresh full install? |
| 10:07.04 | streuner_ | wols_: -rw------- 1 foo foo 183169 2006-03-03 13:41 spam.mail |
| 10:07.19 | stoned- | apt-cache search mysql|grep server |
| 10:07.36 | stoned- | or just apt-get install mysql-server |
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| 10:07.49 | kevix | weasel00: whereis mysql ? |
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| 10:08.12 | weasel00 | mysql: |
| 10:08.19 | weasel00 | what does that mean? |
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| 10:08.23 | stoned- | weasel, dpkg -L package wil give you a list of all the files installed in the system related to it |
| 10:08.28 | illest | how do i open chm files ? with linux ? |
| 10:08.37 | Eulex | illest, xchm |
| 10:08.40 | illest | ty |
| 10:08.43 | streuner_ | !chm |
| 10:08.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, chm is to extract Compressed HTML files (MS Windows HtmlHell Data) use the chmLib (and its example programs to be found at http://66.93.236.84/~jedwin/projects/chmlib/) or use xchm |
| 10:09.06 | weasel00 | its not installed?! i selected it when i was doing the initial install... weird |
| 10:09.07 | stoned- | ! |
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| 10:09.27 | stoned- | weasel, i dunno is it? |
| 10:09.45 | kevix | weasel00: dpkg -l mysql-server* |
| 10:10.03 | weasel00 | dokg says its not... but i remember selecting it... thats whats wierd |
| 10:10.08 | quitte | sewi: i don't even think using source in debian is a good idea unless you make packages of it yourself |
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| 10:10.48 | SerajewelKS | weasel00: did you select 'database server'? |
| 10:10.56 | stoned- | weasel, what are you trying to do |
| 10:11.11 | stoned- | weasel, simply do /etc/init.d/mysql-server start |
| 10:11.11 | sewi | quitte: ok then I give up it:) thanks |
| 10:11.21 | stoned- | that will let you know |
| 10:11.23 | SerajewelKS | weasel00: or did you specifically choose mysql with dselect? |
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| 10:11.45 | weasel00 | serajewlks : i selected webserver and sought out mysql while going through the install process |
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| 10:11.59 | weasel00 | stoned : setup my mysql db's |
| 10:12.17 | ctp | hi folks. anyone here knows a nice app to scan and index whole network for ftp and/or smb shares? |
| 10:12.19 | SerajewelKS | weasel00: "sought out" how |
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| 10:12.27 | stoned- | weasel simply type apt-get install mysql-server |
| 10:12.32 | stoned- | do whateve it says |
| 10:12.41 | SerajewelKS | ctp: bash + nmap + perl |
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| 10:12.53 | SerajewelKS | ctp: + smbclient |
| 10:13.05 | SerajewelKS | stoned-: not mysql-server-4.1? |
| 10:13.13 | stoned- | meta package |
| 10:13.15 | weasel00 | serajewlkks : i dont remember it was oh like 12 hours ago and i havent left this screen all day cept to buy smokes and eat dinner |
| 10:13.21 | stoned- | will install whatever is good by default |
| 10:13.38 | stoned- | iirc |
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| 10:13.55 | kevix | !metapackage |
| 10:13.55 | dpkg | from memory, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. |
| 10:13.59 | Rapotanko | hi! |
| 10:14.12 | deadcat | weasel00: i use apache 1.3 and it runs fine here. |
| 10:14.15 | SerajewelKS | stoned-: not a good idea on testing though. next time you dist-upgrade you might update mysql, which could be a whole process if the database format changed. |
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| 10:15.19 | stoned- | SerajewelKS, didn't know it was testing. but it has never caused me a problem and I;ve ran sid for years will all server stuff. of course security isn't a concern, the network is cut off from the world |
| 10:15.31 | Rapotanko | can someone help me with realtek 8139 nternet adapter...? |
| 10:15.36 | SerajewelKS | stoned-: i don't know if it's testing either, just saying =) |
| 10:15.42 | SerajewelKS | !tell Rapotanko about ask |
| 10:15.49 | tamer | PEople... I want to get help from you! |
| 10:16.00 | deadcat | Rapotanko: load the module |
| 10:16.01 | iciclebox | how do i execute a .bin file? I get a Permission Denied even when as root |
| 10:16.02 | weasel00 | im doing a fresh install on this so im not worring about data =) |
| 10:16.06 | tamer | I am now in Egypt, and I am interisted to distribute Linux in Egypt! |
| 10:16.11 | stoned- | Rapotanko, load 8139too |
| 10:16.12 | SerajewelKS | iciclebox: chmod +x file.bin |
| 10:16.16 | stoned- | I think |
| 10:16.16 | tamer | How can I be a official distributor here? |
| 10:16.27 | iciclebox | SerajewelKS: thanks |
| 10:16.29 | kevix | tamer: have you heard of elug? |
| 10:16.30 | deadcat | weasel00: i can telnet thatbraziliandude's ip port 22, but ssh wont work. |
| 10:16.39 | Rapotanko | deadcat there is no module 8139 and when i load 8139too and then write lsmod it ays 8139too is unused :S |
| 10:16.46 | tamer | sorry, no I have never heard about elug before |
| 10:16.51 | deadcat | Rapotanko: strange. |
| 10:16.51 | kevix | tamer: have you heard of arabeyes.org ? |
| 10:16.54 | stoned- | elug |
| 10:16.57 | tamer | yes |
| 10:17.01 | stoned- | is that like electornic linux users group |
| 10:17.05 | Rapotanko | deadcat yep... |
| 10:17.05 | stoned- | im guessing, i have no idea |
| 10:17.14 | tamer | arabeyes is specialized in the arabization of linux, with the headquartors in Jordan |
| 10:17.22 | SerajewelKS | stoned-: egyptian probably, given the context |
| 10:17.32 | stoned- | oh |
| 10:17.37 | stoned- | i missed a few lines |
| 10:17.47 | Rapotanko | i have drivers (those could work but i dont know how to install).... |
| 10:17.48 | kevix | tamer: sorry. its www.eglug.org |
| 10:18.03 | stoned- | tamer, I still find it easier to read in english than arabic |
| 10:18.39 | wols_ | Rapotanko: load the module then configure your /etc/network/interfaces and restart /etc/init.d/networking |
| 10:18.47 | stoned- | or urdu for that matter |
| 10:19.08 | Rapotanko | wols_ okey...i try... |
| 10:19.19 | kevix | tamer: checkout planet.arabeyes.org, its a blog for arabeyes.org people |
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| 10:20.22 | stoned- | i would like arabic fonts though, trying to produce a online copy of quran in arabic, not images, but typed stuff, i don't have an arabic keyboard, so im at a standstill right now |
| 10:20.50 | stoned- | imeant i want arabic fonts on my keyboard, er not fonts |
| 10:20.55 | stoned- | but printed keys in arabic and englihs |
| 10:21.05 | kevix | stoned-: there is someone on the debian-user list who uses tex to create arabic works. |
| 10:21.19 | weasel00 | stoned : im suprised you cant find one online... =( |
| 10:21.22 | stoned- | i'll try searching it |
| 10:21.26 | stoned- | weasel, i tried |
| 10:21.33 | stoned- | well im gonna go get stoned |
| 10:21.34 | stoned- | later |
| 10:22.05 | weasel00 | hey stoned check it out |
| 10:22.08 | Rapotanko | wols_: how i configure interfaces...thats empty :s...what i have to write there? :D |
| 10:22.11 | weasel00 | http://www.datacal.com/dce/arabic-keyboards.htm <-- |
| 10:22.57 | weasel00 | they even make decal stickers for normal keyboards ;) |
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| 10:24.52 | moi | hey, i try to setup xgl on my debian unstable machine. the tutorial says i need to install nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx. when i do this, apt-get wants to remove xserver-xorg?! what am i doing wrong? |
| 10:25.32 | Eulex | stoned-, check this out: http://www.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-en/xwindows.html#keymaps |
| 10:25.53 | weasel00 | he's afk... i shot him a /msg /shrug |
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| 10:26.26 | wols_ | moi: your nvidia modules stuff isn't packaged for xorg yet I'd say |
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| 10:26.57 | moi | hmm.. so i need to get the source and compile myself |
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| 10:27.18 | weasel00 | omg dvorak keyboards.. sahweet |
| 10:27.20 | wols_ | that's a solution yes |
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| 10:29.22 | JaVaSan | moi, this follows links can help you: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/nvidia.htm |
| 10:29.23 | JaVaSan | http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/index.html |
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| 10:29.33 | nadine | hi there |
| 10:29.39 | kevix | stoned-: check this out: http://esquipulas.homeunix.com/translations.html |
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| 10:29.47 | nadine | just install debian on my emac ppc |
| 10:30.01 | nadine | do you know the adress of irc channel for debian ppc userts? |
| 10:30.19 | kevix | #debian-ppc ? |
| 10:30.20 | nadine | or some good sources.list update for PPC |
| 10:30.24 | moi | JaVaSan, thanks |
| 10:30.31 | JaVaSan | welcome =) |
| 10:31.02 | moi | some very stupid question heh... i use unstable, so "sid" is correct in the apt/sources.list ?! right? |
| 10:31.03 | kevix | nadine: you can ask most questions here. we can answer most question including ppc(most of the time) |
| 10:31.13 | wols_ | moi: yes |
| 10:31.17 | sepski | is it possible to burn a cd .iso to a dvd ? or convert the image somehow ? |
| 10:31.51 | nadine | thanks kevix |
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| 10:32.31 | Maulkin | sepski: yes, it works natively |
| 10:32.35 | nadine | I have problem to find sources.list for apt that are really updated... do you knwo where I could that? |
| 10:32.56 | nadine | could find that... :) |
| 10:33.21 | kevix | nadine: most debian mirrors should be fine, including for ppc. |
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| 10:34.04 | kevix | !mirrors |
| 10:34.04 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 10:34.14 | sepski | nadine, apt-setup should install your closest mirror depending on your choises |
| 10:34.33 | nadine | I find some over the web but all softs are quite old |
| 10:34.38 | JaVaSan | anyone know any front-end to burn CD on Debian using Gnome? |
| 10:34.54 | SlayerXP | JaVaSan: cdrecord |
| 10:35.03 | kevix | JaVaSan: nautilis or gnomebaker |
| 10:35.19 | JaVaSan | hm... |
| 10:35.21 | sepski | nadine, have you installed woody or something ? sarge is not _that_ old or do you want very recent packages ? |
| 10:35.34 | kevix | JaVaSan: or you can install K3b and bite the bullet! |
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| 10:36.01 | nadine | sarge ppc |
| 10:36.24 | sepski | nadine, the whole point of sarge beeing stable is that we can put our jobs on the line with it. it wont upgrade some package to a new version ever !! if you want more recent packages you must either use backports. or upgrade to etch |
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| 10:37.35 | kevix | nadine: there is a #debian-ppc if you can get their attention! |
| 10:37.38 | JaVaSan | kevix, K3b is for KDE, is not ? i'm using Gnome... |
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| 10:38.06 | nadine | do you have etch sources.list? |
| 10:38.13 | kevix | JaVaSan: I'm saying that even if you dont want a full kde, you can install ONE application. |
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| 10:39.12 | Eulex | nadine, you just substitute sarge or stable with etch or testing in your sources.list, for your main debian apt sources. but do you really want to upgrade to etch? and have you got enough knowledge for it? |
| 10:39.32 | JaVaSan | kevix, hm... so... i can install k3b at Gnome? is it you means? |
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| 10:40.20 | kevix | JaVaSan: yes. granted it will install about a lot of stuff. |
| 10:40.29 | nadine | I have some knowledges and I like to play anyway with computers, I could reinstall again & again and finally have the knowleges :-) thanks a lot for your help!! |
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| 10:40.45 | JaVaSan | kevix, thnkz... i'll try it.. |
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| 10:41.32 | Konmole | what address i but to sources.list? |
| 10:41.38 | Konmole | to apt-get |
| 10:41.46 | kevix | !mirrors |
| 10:41.46 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 10:42.04 | Eulex | JaVaSan, in my experience, for installing a kde app when you haven't got any kde stuff installed you'll need to install ~80mb of libs |
| 10:42.35 | kevix | Eulex: yea. i kinda mentioned that. but I'd install it for K3b. |
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| 10:44.21 | JaVaSan | Eulex, there is no problem.. i need to burn cds and dvds anyway and i want to keep it easy =) thnkz |
| 10:44.32 | roxy_ | I have trouble using gnome sound recorder. Everything seems ok when I record but when I play there is no sound. I can use Skype so I know that sound is working on my machine . |
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| 10:45.33 | Schocko | how can i copy a text from a normal .txt file to an file which is opended with midnight commander? <-- noob question |
| 10:45.51 | roxy_ | using music player on the saved file doesn't make any noise too, so I think I have trouble with recording. How can I debug my problem? |
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| 10:46.21 | madroach | I'd like to use open, to start new shells on vts. Open needs write access to the tty devices. But on my System the ttys are in the root group. How am I supposed to solve this problem? |
| 10:46.26 | kevix | roxy_: is your cdrom sound cable connected to your sound card? |
| 10:46.35 | Schocko | how can i copy a text from a normal .txt file to an file which is opended with midnight commander? |
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| 10:47.35 | roxy_ | kevix: sound card is mother board sound card. cdrom connected to motherboard. |
| 10:47.42 | kevix | roxy_: ok. have you check with alsamixer? |
| 10:48.18 | roxy_ | used alsamixer for skype, does the setting need to be changed? |
| 10:48.30 | kevix | madroach: openvt ? |
| 10:48.48 | pingouin | roxy_: something is maybe muted |
| 10:49.20 | kevix | roxy_: could you have different audio sources? cdrom vs mic vs ... |
| 10:49.50 | Gnea | roxy_: what are you trying to record? |
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| 10:50.14 | wols_ | Schocko: with gpm it should be possible |
| 10:50.17 | roxy_ | kevix: yes, but the audio source is the mic, for skype and gnome sound record. |
| 10:50.21 | madroach | kevix: openvt is the same as open. |
| 10:50.30 | roxy_ | Gnea: my beautiful voice :-) |
| 10:50.30 | Schocko | wols_ ok ill test |
| 10:50.54 | madroach | How are the permissions on the tty device files supposed to be handled? |
| 10:51.01 | Schocko | wols_ btw. im windows user ;) only run debian on server and im not so secure with it yet |
| 10:51.09 | kevix | madroach: its a symlink? who knew. |
| 10:51.52 | Gnea | roxy_: hrm, i'm not sure gnome recorder can catch that...what kind of soundcard do you have? |
| 10:52.24 | weasel00 | woohoo!! one week numerous reinstalls all for naught! 21 hours with a single debian install and i have success! |
| 10:52.28 | kevix | madroach: I tried it recetnly. I 'su' to root and did openvt -l |
| 10:52.37 | weasel00 | !beer weasel00 |
| 10:52.49 | roxy_ | Gnea: Realtek ALC650 rev 1 |
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| 10:53.06 | pingouin | roxy_: you have a mic ? i guess |
| 10:53.16 | roxy_ | pingouin: yes :) |
| 10:53.22 | pingouin | roxy_: check if the line in is not muted in alsamixer |
| 10:53.28 | kevix | weasel00: now you can install 'falconseye'! |
| 10:53.34 | pingouin | roxy_: or try with audacity |
| 10:53.39 | madroach | kevix: Fine, I just don't like to type in my password when I need a new shell. So suing is no solution. |
| 10:53.40 | roxy_ | pingouin: it is not, i use it successfully with skype |
| 10:54.02 | kevix | madroach: you can add some to /etc/inittab ? |
| 10:54.16 | madroach | Schocko: I don't think this is easy to do in mc. Try another editor or try cut-and-paste. |
| 10:54.17 | pingouin | roxy_: try audacity (i dont know gnome recorder) |
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| 10:54.27 | Gnea | roxy_: what version of the recorder is that? |
| 10:54.29 | roxy_ | pingouin: will give it a shot |
| 10:54.34 | sepski | madroach, sudo with nopasswd and use sudo -s |
| 10:54.46 | roxy_ | Gnea: Sound Recorder 2.12.0 |
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| 10:54.49 | weasel00 | kevix : http://66.249.64.35/calendar/ u/p admin:admin |
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| 10:55.24 | DevilChaos | what port does torrents operate on i need to allow it for my nat? |
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| 10:55.44 | weasel00 | kevix : whoops wrong ip... http://70.231.162.198/calendar/login.php? |
| 10:55.46 | sepski | DevilChaos, no you need to portforward it to your bittorrent if you nat |
| 10:55.46 | SlayerXP | DevilChaos: you joined #debian by mistake. |
| 10:55.52 | Gnea | DevilChaos: look for it on your netstat |
| 10:56.23 | DevilChaos | slayer i run debian |
| 10:56.45 | DevilChaos | gnea its an option in netstat? |
| 10:56.59 | madroach | Isn't it possible to make the tty devices 660 in group tty and change permissions to 600 as soon as they are opened? |
| 10:57.03 | kevix | weasel00: a theatre calander ? |
| 10:57.05 | Gnea | roxy_: does the mic show up in the capture dialog under file->run mixer? |
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| 10:57.29 | mofo | hi guys |
| 10:57.39 | mofo | im trying to change my timezone in debian..but somehow it doesnt work |
| 10:57.41 | weasel00 | kevix : im pretty lame huh . lmao |
| 10:57.43 | Gnea | DevilChaos: man netstat |
| 10:57.45 | roxy_ | Gnea: yes |
| 10:57.49 | mofo | i tried tzselect, and it didnt work, same with ntpdate |
| 10:57.50 | kevix | weasel00: ok. it works! |
| 10:57.59 | madroach | Schocko: If you can use a mouse, you can mark the text to be inserted and insert it by clicking the middle mouse button. |
| 10:58.06 | weasel00 | kevix : i have spent a week trying to get the bloody thing working |
| 10:58.18 | kevix | weasel00: now the fun begins! |
| 10:58.26 | Gnea | roxy_: make sure it's the only capture device toggled 'on' |
| 10:58.28 | DevilChaos | k |
| 10:58.37 | Schocko | hmm |
| 10:58.45 | Schocko | madroach, i am windows user at this computer |
| 10:58.50 | kevix | !snark |
| 10:58.51 | dpkg | i heard snark is at http://www.sans.org/newlook/resources/IDFAQ/knark.htm |
| 10:59.01 | Gnea | roxy_: then check your real mixer settings and be sure the db boost is on |
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| 10:59.22 | kevix | roxy_: have you tried 'rec' |
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| 11:00.24 | madroach | Schocko: try using nano, this editor should be pretty easy to use and is still more powerfull than mc. Just type nano foo.txt at the prompt in your mc. |
| 11:00.38 | Schocko | k |
| 11:00.41 | Schocko | *testing* |
| 11:00.46 | sepski | Maulkin, i wrote the cd .iso to a dvd but it wont boot. |
| 11:01.26 | kevix | weasel00: I'd suggest to add an index.html |
| 11:01.40 | roxy_ | Gnea: I choose Realtek in file- change device. Now I can't unmute the mic :-( |
| 11:01.44 | weasel00 | kevix you dont like my index.php lol |
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| 11:02.27 | madroach | Schocko: In mc try pressing [F2] @ nano [Return] |
| 11:02.45 | kevix | weasel00: too wordy! |
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| 11:03.44 | weasel00 | kevix : give me a minute... =) |
| 11:04.48 | DevilChaos | gnea: as far as im aware it isnt there |
| 11:05.09 | DevilChaos | light in bittornado is yellow and stays like that |
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| 11:05.19 | roxy_ | Gnea: I tried un/mute all the setting in File - run mixer capture with nothing. I 'll go in real mixer setting. |
| 11:06.27 | roxy_ | Gnea: using alsamixer, I have Mic Boost (+20dB) on . |
| 11:06.44 | kevix | roxy_: does 'rec' work? |
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| 11:07.15 | Gnea | roxy_: can you hear yourself as-is? |
| 11:07.19 | roxy_ | kevix: rec ... nothing, I don't have it. |
| 11:07.22 | roxy_ | Gnea: yes |
| 11:07.30 | Schocko | madroach and how can i rename a file via ssh ? |
| 11:07.31 | DevilChaos | bbl |
| 11:07.37 | kevix | roxy_: /usr/bin/rec |
| 11:08.05 | voxluna | what archiver can be used for .RAR files? 'unrar-free' package does not seem to exist in testing |
| 11:08.18 | roxy_ | no, just switch to debian yesterday, it is a plain, without rec system. do i need to install? |
| 11:08.24 | madroach | Schocko: In mc use F6, or just use the 'mv |
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| 11:08.52 | madroach | Schocko: The 'mv' command. Renaming a file is the same as moving it. |
| 11:09.01 | Schocko | k :) |
| 11:09.06 | Schocko | i shouldnt forget that ;) |
| 11:09.13 | kevix | roxy_: apt-get install sox |
| 11:09.32 | tarzeau | i've got some sata-2 thing that sarge 2.4 nor 2.6 linux support. the 2.6.15 from .jp failed too! |
| 11:09.36 | roxy_ | kevix: I have krec |
| 11:09.48 | tarzeau | debian gnu/kfreebsd 5.4 worked though. any hints what i can do, when i want linux? |
| 11:10.04 | filleokus | Hi guys, i want new packages in my Workstaion wich "fork" of debian should i go for.. Unstable/Testing? And i have an amd64, but i think i want the x86 version, so ive get all the goddies. |
| 11:10.04 | Gnea | roxy_: install sox |
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| 11:10.37 | ejofee | you won't believe this: i have a cd which is *completely* unredable... my rom won't even recognize it. yet, most data on the cd is there! it's just that i can't access it. i think a crucial section of the cd is broken (and the rest of it is perfect). is there any app which reads a cd ignoring it's "unreadable label"? |
| 11:10.42 | Eulex | tarzeau, google the chipset? kfreebsd must have detected it in some way and should be able to give you some info, right? |
| 11:11.04 | roxy_ | Gnea, kevix : finished to install sox. |
| 11:11.27 | ejofee | s/unredable/unreadable/ |
| 11:11.32 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: if the CD is unreadable, how do you know the data is there? |
| 11:11.43 | kevix | filleokus: do you want to run a 24x7 server or a workstation |
| 11:12.13 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: not all the data is under the scratch, you know |
| 11:12.15 | tarzeau | Eulex: yes i can run lspci on gnu/kfreebsd |
| 11:12.16 | filleokus | kevix, ws |
| 11:12.31 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: buy a CD grinder |
| 11:12.31 | tarzeau | Eulex: then build an own kernel with that driver and make my own d-i wiht my kernel? |
| 11:12.36 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: there are largely large portions of the cd which are completely unscratched. |
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| 11:12.41 | tarzeau | Eulex: oh my debian gnu/kfreebsd is so much easier than debian gnu/linux |
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| 11:12.54 | liable | if it cant read the root, you are kinda fucked, just like if your partition table goes missing |
| 11:12.59 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: if the TOC is scratched then you are screwed unless you buy/use a grinder |
| 11:13.04 | Eulex | tarzeau, maybe. |
| 11:13.08 | liable | ejofee: try polishing it with a fine polish |
| 11:13.20 | roxy_ | Gnea, kevix : sox seem a bit low level for me, any gui front for it? |
| 11:13.25 | ejofee | liable: polishing what?! |
| 11:13.35 | liable | err, the scratch? |
| 11:13.37 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: what does a cd grinder do? |
| 11:13.56 | kevix | filleokus: is it recommened to start with 'stable'. but most folks who can handle the ocassional problems use unstable. |
| 11:13.59 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: it grinds down the surface of the CD so it's flat again -- grinding about the depth of most scratches |
| 11:14.06 | ejofee | liable: and hopes are it would make the data under the scratch readable? |
| 11:14.29 | liable | ejofee: i have done it with dvd's before. |
| 11:14.29 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: movie rental stores use these on rented DVDs for example, after irresponsible kids leave them lying on the floor |
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| 11:14.41 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: but that section will not be recovered, right? |
| 11:14.51 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: of course it will. that's the point. |
| 11:15.11 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: only the plastic is scratched. it removes a certain amount of plastic from the bottom of the disc. |
| 11:15.32 | liable | if its scratched from the top your screwed. |
| 11:15.32 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: well, what if that section can't be recovered? because of one section all the cd must be lost? is this the way it works? |
| 11:15.34 | voxluna | well, hopefully only the plastic is scratched. if the medium (the other side) is scratched, that's it. |
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| 11:15.54 | Gnea | roxy_: no, but the manpage has a lot of info and examples - man 1 sox |
| 11:15.59 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: like, for example, if you run a knife over a block of wood you can sand it to "remove" the scratch. |
| 11:16.06 | ejofee | liable: so there's nothing to be done if it's on the top? |
| 11:16.13 | liable | nope |
| 11:16.32 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: that's the same basic concept. only the clear material is scratched, so you can just remove a layer of that and it will be clear again. |
| 11:16.37 | liable | its gone didli gone |
| 11:16.56 | kevix | liable: flanders! |
| 11:17.33 | liable | hey, kevix-a-reno! :) |
| 11:18.03 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: or polish it, as liable says. this will fill the scratch with a clear material. the reason a scratch is bad is because it bends the laser -- if you can get it flat without any air bubbles it won't bend the laser anymore. |
| 11:18.39 | liable | well, when i say polish, i really mean a very fine cutting compound. |
| 11:18.54 | SerajewelKS | liable: well, yeah |
| 11:19.07 | ejofee | are grinders expensive? |
| 11:19.23 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: a grinder is probably your best bet. somewhat expensive probably, but you might ask your local rental store if you can use theirs. |
| 11:19.41 | ejofee | SerajewelKS: right. thank you. |
| 11:19.47 | roxy_ | Gnea: but as far as I can see sox translates files, doesn't record. |
| 11:19.53 | SerajewelKS | ejofee: np |
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| 11:20.24 | kevix | roxy_: sox include /usr/bin/rec |
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| 11:20.43 | kevix | SerajewelKS: how about those clear fluids to fix the scratches? |
| 11:20.45 | Gnea | it doesn't? |
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| 11:21.13 | liable | course it does, otherwise whats the point of it. |
| 11:21.35 | SerajewelKS | kevix: grinders are more sure to work (any fluid needs to be applied carefully to avoid air bubbles, etc). plus if the rental store lets him, it would be free. =) |
| 11:21.38 | Gnea | roxy_: funny, rec test.wav just created a .wav file here.... |
| 11:21.39 | liable | actually, i should reprase that. |
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| 11:23.16 | SerajewelKS | kevix: i guess the question is whether you want to add material to or remove material from the surface ;) |
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| 11:23.46 | roxy_ | kevix, Gnea : I tried rec test.wav, created a file but no sound out of it. I installed audacity with same result. |
| 11:24.06 | SerajewelKS | roxy_: check your recording sound levels |
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| 11:24.35 | Gnea | roxy_: yeah, audacity is strictly a soundfile manipulator |
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| 11:24.52 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: hell no, it can record rather nicely |
| 11:25.19 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: it can record someone speaking into a mic? i don't recall that function... |
| 11:25.38 | roxy_ | SerajewelKS: with alsamixer, mic is at 100 |
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| 11:25.43 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: if the mic is plugged in and you pick the mic channel for recording, why the hell not? |
| 11:25.52 | SerajewelKS | roxy_: the *record* level is at 100? |
| 11:26.10 | kevix | anyone know what happended to Debian gnu/solaris? |
| 11:26.46 | roxy_ | SerajewelKS: yes, in alsamixer the mic column is at 100, that the setting I use with skype. |
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| 11:27.21 | SerajewelKS | roxy_: note that alsamixer, by default, sets the *playback* levels |
| 11:27.24 | JaVaSan | "cdrdao is buggy on AMD64 systems", what does it means? |
| 11:27.44 | kevix | roxy_: are you sure the mic works? |
| 11:27.46 | SerajewelKS | roxy_: start alsamixer, and hit F4 |
| 11:27.59 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: well maybe i'm just a stupid retard then |
| 11:28.12 | roxy_ | kevix: using it successfully with skype |
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| 11:28.40 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: that's for you to decide i suppose. all i know is i've recorded in audacity with mic, line-in, and CD with no problems. |
| 11:28.42 | roxy_ | SerajewelKS: then ? |
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| 11:28.49 | SerajewelKS | roxy_: go to 'mic' and hit space |
| 11:29.03 | SerajewelKS | roxy_: and then turn the 'Capture' volume up |
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| 11:29.23 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i'm being sarcastic - that's awesome |
| 11:29.43 | Shadowcat | we all you you're a "stupid retard" |
| 11:29.44 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: yeah i wasn't sure if you were or not =) |
| 11:29.46 | Shadowcat | ;) |
| 11:29.59 | roxy_ | SerajewelKS: done. (note that hitting space on mic didn't do anything. |
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| 11:30.25 | SerajewelKS | roxy_: really? it should have moved the red 'captur' mark to the Mic column. assuming it wasn't already there. |
| 11:30.57 | weasel00 | kevix : http://70.231.162.198/index.php << better? =) |
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| 11:31.20 | roxy_ | SerajewelKS: the red CAPTUR was already on Mic |
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| 11:31.49 | SerajewelKS | roxy_: ah, okay then. if the 'Capture' volume level was at 0, that explains why you were getting a flat line when recording. turn it to something like 60-80 and try again. |
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| 11:32.15 | ludwig | Hallo! |
| 11:32.20 | kevix | weasel00: at least its not goatse! |
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| 11:32.33 | ludwig | Someone here who can help me setting up amavis? |
| 11:32.37 | JaVaSan | "apt-get build-dep some_program", what does it do? |
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| 11:32.50 | black_Nightmare | just wondering but it ok if I ask some general hardware questions in here out of my curiousity? |
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| 11:33.00 | kevix | !build-dep |
| 11:33.05 | madar | sziasztok |
| 11:33.07 | dpkg | To install the packages needed to build some other package in the way the debian package of it was configured use "apt-get build-dep <package-you-want-to-build>". If you'd like to add features or use a newer version of the libraries, you may need to manually get those specific -dev packages. |
| 11:33.37 | JaVaSan | =) |
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| 11:34.00 | weasel00 | kevix : goatse r0xx0rz |
| 11:34.01 | Gnea | now if i could only find my mic, i could test this |
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| 11:34.37 | zxcv | 0100010001000011010000110010000001010011010001010100111001000100001000000010001001110011011101000111001001101001011011100110011100100010001000000011000000100000001100000010000000110000 |
| 11:34.37 | roxy_ | SerajewelKS: no change. :( (the capture level was at 0 I changed it to 67). Shouldn't I use line in instead of mic? |
| 11:34.54 | SerajewelKS | roxy_: if that's the jack the mic is plugged in to, then absolutely |
| 11:35.34 | SerajewelKS | roxy_: on modern motherboards, the red one is mic and the blue one is line-in |
| 11:35.34 | liable | zxcv: what the fuck is that all about? |
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| 11:35.34 | Gnea | liable: bullshit :) |
| 11:35.34 | black_Nightmare | what I wanted to ask for one thing was...if you had a laptop did you like the speakers to be near the front or near the screen hingles (rear) instead? |
| 11:35.34 | SerajewelKS | liable: driveby binary! |
| 11:35.40 | weasel00 | zxcv : why you trying to be a punk and do the exploit? |
| 11:35.44 | kevix | liable: about getting kicked? |
| 11:35.52 | Gnea | black_Nightmare: screen hinges |
| 11:36.02 | madar | i got a problem with confing apache2, i can not allow .htaccess for all users, i have seen the manual but i cant config it yet |
| 11:36.11 | weasel00 | kevix : http://www.adcott.net/binary/ <-- translator |
| 11:36.16 | black_Nightmare | hm ty gnea..was wondering the same thing, just curious what others thought of it |
| 11:36.17 | eb_ | any Gnus gurus here? Got a problem migrating my .gnus from old system to upgraded system. None of my pop hosts are recognised. |
| 11:36.27 | eb_ | telnet <host> 110 works fine though. |
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| 11:37.34 | roxy_ | SerajewelKS: I change capture from Mic to Line with the same result :( |
| 11:37.50 | kevix | weasel00: I prefer utf-8 |
| 11:38.00 | SerajewelKS | roxy_: *shrug* play around with the settings i guess |
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| 11:38.29 | SerajewelKS | roxy_: try hitting space over 'Capture' too |
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| 11:38.39 | madar | i got a problem with confing apache2, i can not allow .htaccess for all users, i have seen the manual but i cant config it yet |
| 11:38.40 | roxy_ | SerajewelKS: isn't there something to test if something is recorded ? |
| 11:38.47 | SerajewelKS | roxy_: the recording controls confuse me a bit so i just fuck around with alsamixer until i get some audio |
| 11:38.50 | kevix | SerajewelKS: could it be that his mike is outputing very very low volume? |
| 11:38.56 | weasel | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 11:38.57 | JaVaSan | !chroot |
| 11:38.58 | dpkg | [chroot] a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 11:39.07 | SerajewelKS | kevix: possibly but unlikely |
| 11:39.34 | SerajewelKS | roxy_: yeah, you record audio and then play it back =) |
| 11:40.02 | SerajewelKS | roxy_: audacity has a 'monitor mode' too that shows the input levels without recording. iirc there is a console program to do this too. |
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| 11:40.32 | kevix | SerajewelKS: I have an MD into my audio in which is into my reciever. alsa is set to 100% |
| 11:41.08 | Pu15ate | one question from this noob (me) |
| 11:41.08 | Pu15ate | how do i log into another computer using ssh in linux? |
| 11:41.23 | kevix | weasel00: I see the moon phases |
| 11:41.35 | SerajewelKS | Pu15ate: ssh user@computer-ip-or-hostname |
| 11:41.36 | JaVaSan | when should i use [chroot] *-) ? |
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| 11:41.49 | SerajewelKS | JaVaSan: when you know what you are doing |
| 11:41.55 | roxy_ | SerajewelKS, kevix , Gnea : thanks for your help, I 'll read the doc of audacity and rec and all the stuff I installed and come back to bother you after the lunch break :-) |
| 11:42.09 | Pu15ate | thaks welks |
| 11:42.10 | kevix | roxy_: good luck! |
| 11:42.12 | JaVaSan | SerajewelKS, all right... |
| 11:42.20 | weasel00 | kevix : its a work in process... just need to finish the account, group, layer setups then i can let the code monkey's loose on it and fill it in =) |
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| 11:42.44 | SerajewelKS | JaVaSan: no offence, but chroot can be a tricky thing. if you don't know what you're doing it's very hard to get it to work. |
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| 11:44.35 | SlayerXP | chroots are mostly pointless anyway |
| 11:44.43 | SlayerXP | we don't run daemons as root anymore |
| 11:45.43 | JaVaSan | SerajewelKS, i understand... =) |
| 11:45.57 | JaVaSan | thnkz |
| 11:46.34 | kevix | SlayerXP: seems folks use chroots on 64 bit systems for running OpenOffice |
| 11:46.39 | JaVaSan | how can i know if i'm using Sid / Sarge / Etch / other version ? |
| 11:47.17 | SlayerXP | kevix: some folks use gentoo, go figure. |
| 11:47.54 | azeem | SlayerXP: what's your point? Using chroots for 32bit software on 64bit system seems sensible to me |
| 11:48.24 | SlayerXP | azeem: they are solving the wrong problem. |
| 11:48.46 | azeem | users should hack OOo to make it run on 64bit rather than run it? |
| 11:49.26 | kevix | azeem: I guess those OOo users are REALLY advanced x-) |
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| 11:52.25 | resiak | JaVaSan: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:52.30 | liable | JaVaSan: one would hope that you would actually know what version you have. but, check your sources list. |
| 11:52.39 | resiak | JaVaSan: If it's "testing/unstable", do as liable |
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| 11:53.14 | SimonRaven | it's teh resiak! |
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| 11:53.17 | resiak | yes |
| 11:53.21 | liable | JaVaSan: which is at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:53.23 | SimonRaven | :) |
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| 11:54.53 | JaVaSan | "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official amd64 Binary-2 (20050613)]/ unstable contrib main" |
| 11:55.05 | JaVaSan | so... Sarge... *-) |
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| 11:56.42 | kevix | SimonRaven: is p.d.o just static pages or is it back? |
| 11:56.45 | JaVaSan | i get cdrdao source and now i need to use dpkg-buildpackage to make a .deb package, can anyone help me? |
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| 11:57.29 | Hellkat | All of a sudden I cant hear sound, I'm using OSS, and suddenly there is no sound from any programs, I did a lsof | grep "oss", and killed the process that was using it, but still no sound.. and my mixer doesnt work |
| 11:57.32 | wols_ | JaVaSan: do you have a debian/ directory for cdrdao too? |
| 11:57.37 | azeem | JaVaSan: why don't you use the Debian package? |
| 11:57.44 | liable | p.d.o is back, but not at full speed. |
| 11:57.53 | SimonRaven | dunno |
| 11:57.56 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 11:58.18 | kevix | liable: thx |
| 11:58.22 | SimonRaven | i'd lay off it for a while longer then, give them a chance to get back up to speed |
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| 11:58.41 | liable | well, full use.. |
| 11:58.42 | JaVaSan | azeem, because cdrdao is incompatible with amd64 debian.... |
| 11:58.51 | liable | no changelogs.. |
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| 11:58.56 | azeem | JaVaSan: incompatbile? |
| 11:59.38 | JaVaSan | azeem, "cdrdao is buggy on AMD64 systems, therefore a patch has been released. Unfortunately this patch didn't make it into Sarge and thus you can't apt-get cdrdao." |
| 11:59.55 | azeem | I see |
| 12:00.08 | azeem | do you have the patch? |
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| 12:00.46 | JaVaSan | wols_, i have the cdrdao source! |
| 12:00.52 | JaVaSan | azeem, |
| 12:00.59 | kevix | azeem: so could someone not backport it ? |
| 12:01.06 | azeem | kevix: dunno |
| 12:01.22 | JaVaSan | i need to build a package with dpkg-buildpackage.. but i dont know how do that... |
| 12:01.30 | liable | JaVaSan: have you tried the 64 channel? |
| 12:01.50 | Hellkat | Can someone help me with sound? why cant I use my mixer, and why do I all of a sudden not hear any sound, |
| 12:01.51 | wols_ | JaVaSan: I didn't ask that. I asked if you have a debian/ directory with that source |
| 12:02.10 | edrin | anyone followed the avahi-daemon discussion in the debian-security mailinglist? |
| 12:02.11 | JaVaSan | wols_, yes... i do |
| 12:02.34 | JaVaSan | liable, whats 64 channel? i dont know =( |
| 12:02.57 | azeem | edrin: that's sort of a meta question |
| 12:02.58 | liable | JaVaSan: #debian-amd64 |
| 12:03.02 | JaVaSan | wols_, i just need to know how to build with dpkg-buildpackage... |
| 12:03.25 | edrin | azeem: I am sorry but what is a meta question? |
| 12:03.25 | JaVaSan | liable, thank you... |
| 12:03.34 | kevix | !dpkg customize is at http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize |
| 12:03.34 | dpkg | okay, kevix |
| 12:03.39 | Pu15ate | how do i send a file to a remote box with ssh |
| 12:03.46 | azeem | edrin: asking something without really asking something |
| 12:03.51 | Hellkat | pu15ate scp |
| 12:03.59 | Pu15ate | ta |
| 12:04.01 | azeem | edrin: I guess some people read the discussion, but does that help you? |
| 12:04.03 | kevix | JaVaSan: see the URL above |
| 12:04.04 | Hellkat | pu15ate, download gftp, and you can transfer files |
| 12:04.05 | liable | Pu15ate: scp or rsync |
| 12:04.11 | edrin | hm |
| 12:04.17 | edrin | nevermind |
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| 12:04.30 | Pu15ate | thanks ill get gftp |
| 12:04.44 | liable | thats only ftp, not ssh. |
| 12:05.05 | war92 | I just did an apt-get upgrade and in testing, they broke the logcheck cron entry. |
| 12:05.07 | war92 | Subject: Cron <logcheck@l2> if [ -x /usr/sbin/logcheck ]; then nice -n10 |
| 12:05.07 | war92 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.07 | war92 | grep: Unmatched ) or \) |
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| 12:05.14 | JaVaSan | kevix, thnkz... i'll see... |
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| 12:05.27 | war92 | Subject: Cron <logcheck@l2> if [ -x /usr/sbin/logcheck ]; then nice -n10 -> /usr/sbin/logcheck; fi -> grep: Unmatched ) or \) |
| 12:05.34 | kevix | war92: the first thing is to check the bts |
| 12:05.37 | Pu15ate | ok |
| 12:05.52 | war92 | bugs.debian.org? |
| 12:05.53 | war92 | k |
| 12:06.04 | liable | war92: dude, read the topic, and dont paste for starters. |
| 12:06.18 | war92 | liable: was only 3 lines |
| 12:07.12 | SimonRaven | debhelper thought it was more than that |
| 12:07.13 | liable | then why did you get kicked, and then add another line? |
| 12:07.43 | azeem | oh man, he wrote an opening line and then immediately pasted three more |
| 12:07.45 | war92 | liable: converted the 3 lines into 1 line |
| 12:07.57 | war92 | anyway, anyone else get that error yet? |
| 12:08.00 | war92 | after upgrading today |
| 12:08.03 | war92 | in Etch |
| 12:08.08 | azeem | war92: did you check the bts yet? |
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| 12:08.51 | war92 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=logcheck&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable |
| 12:08.52 | JaVaSan | !fakeroot |
| 12:08.52 | dpkg | well, fakeroot is a program that provides fake root environment, or a glorious hack that enables you to be root without actually being root. Usefull for creating tarballs with setuid 0 files in them. |
| 12:09.02 | war92 | oops wrong arch |
| 12:09.18 | war92 | but don't see anything in there about it, will just fix it manaully |
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| 12:11.39 | azeem | war92: #311216 |
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| 12:13.37 | war92 | azeem: ah whoa, wha did you search for btw? |
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| 12:16.55 | Pu15ate | liable gftp does work with ssh2 |
| 12:16.59 | Pu15ate | :) |
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| 12:18.05 | myr | Hi everybody ! |
| 12:18.14 | azeem | war92: I looked throught the resolved bugs as well |
| 12:18.18 | kevix | war92: http://bugs.debian.org/logcheck it seems an issue with woody grep |
| 12:18.22 | azeem | s/throught/through/ |
| 12:18.48 | myr | Are recursive queries dangerous for NS ? Should I disable it ? How can I do ? |
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| 12:20.02 | kevix | abrotman: going to debconf7 ? |
| 12:20.20 | abrotman | kevix: maybe .. wait .. you mean 6 or 7? |
| 12:20.30 | kevix | abrotman: its a joke |
| 12:20.35 | rovragge | I want to swap left and right audio channels. I have a SBLive soundcard and I am using ALSA drivers. How? |
| 12:20.39 | abrotman | kevix: why? |
| 12:20.53 | abrotman | rovragge: probably a better question for #alsa |
| 12:21.02 | kevix | abrotman: just a hypothetial question. |
| 12:21.13 | abrotman | kevix: dc7 in edinburgh right? |
| 12:21.16 | liable | Pu15ate: really? |
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| 12:21.24 | kevix | abrotman: you know more that I |
| 12:21.34 | abrotman | !tell Gyuszk|nem about away |
| 12:21.35 | resiak | !tell Gyuszk|nem -about away |
| 12:21.39 | resiak | yay |
| 12:21.46 | abrotman | double team! |
| 12:21.59 | resiak | and on another channel, too |
| 12:22.01 | abrotman | kevix: if i go to DC7 .. i can meet resiak! |
| 12:22.04 | resiak | yay |
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| 12:22.14 | abrotman | since everyone is scared of philly ... |
| 12:22.33 | cahoot | rovragge: http://alsa.opensrc.org/faq/ |
| 12:22.34 | kevix | abrotman: hey I hear things are going forward with the WIFI! |
| 12:22.54 | abrotman | kevix: in philly? probably .. but it will get screwed up somehow :) |
| 12:23.30 | abrotman | !qotd161 |
| 12:23.30 | dpkg | methinks qotd161 is * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
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| 12:24.28 | zulu42 | could someone explain me what should I put in my /etc/hosts if I have a free domain name and 1 nated box? because I have strange resolv errror (sometimes my nated box seems not reply for undefined time), I found everything ok to configure a nat but nothing about dns :( |
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| 12:24.41 | kevix | is this kareoke night! |
| 12:24.47 | resiak | totally |
| 12:24.55 | abrotman | wait til resiak singsl moriah carey |
| 12:24.56 | weasel00 | abrotman : sure they arent just afraid of the cheesesteaks? |
| 12:25.05 | resiak | !sing abrotman |
| 12:25.06 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 12:25.08 | abrotman | weasel00: noone fears cheesesteaks |
| 12:25.14 | resiak | I do |
| 12:25.17 | abrotman | liar! |
| 12:25.20 | resiak | 'k |
| 12:25.30 | abrotman | cheesessteaks are yummy! |
| 12:25.31 | kevix | pats or ginos? |
| 12:25.46 | abrotman | tonys! |
| 12:26.04 | zulu42 | on the router+nat I should put in /etc/hosts : localhost, pubip mydomain node, privip node? |
| 12:26.28 | abrotman | kevix: the problem with the pats/genos thing is that i'd have to eat two cheesesteaks back to back .. and my insurance doesn't cover that |
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| 12:28.12 | Error_X | I'm upgrading from 2.6.8 to 2.6.15 from the linux-image, but when I boot up again, it says: cannot find /dev, or something.. And busybox comes up |
| 12:28.24 | weasel00 | abrotman : live life with a risk, cancel your insurance and do the pats.genos challenge -D |
| 12:28.26 | kevix | abrotman: so make it a hoggie a day... |
| 12:28.30 | SlayerXP | " cannot find /dev, or something" |
| 12:28.35 | wols_ | !udev |
| 12:28.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 12:28.35 | SlayerXP | what a curious error message |
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| 12:28.59 | Error_X | SlayerXP: Hehe, It cannot mount root |
| 12:29.03 | abrotman | weasel00: i've had them both .. |
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| 12:29.08 | abrotman | just not back to back |
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| 12:29.26 | liable | Error_X: do you even have udev installed? |
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| 12:29.50 | Error_X | Uhm, what is udev? Is that req for 2.6.15? |
| 12:30.10 | chrysopa | Hi, I have a external USB HD, It work correct, but for now I try to resize my partition to make other, but I cant, Look the message from fdisk: Disk /dev/sda1 doesn't contain a valid partition table. |
| 12:30.12 | abrotman | i don't think it is |
| 12:30.23 | liable | Error_X: do you have gnome? |
| 12:30.44 | JaVaSan | does anyone know if the comand line "pbuilder create" make me to wait so much? |
| 12:30.44 | Error_X | liable: Nothing at the moment.. |
| 12:30.56 | sebkron | hi, has any one know how to overcome a problem of missing i486-linux-gnu-gcc? |
| 12:31.11 | liable | Error_X: i meant, installed.. dpkg -l udev |
| 12:31.18 | abrotman | sebkron: install it ? |
| 12:31.24 | kevix | sebkron: install a compiler ? |
| 12:31.37 | sebkron | what's the package name? |
| 12:31.38 | wols_ | sebkron: install build-essential |
| 12:32.07 | Error_X | liable: I have to reboot into debian first |
| 12:32.08 | wols_ | chrysopa: /dev/sda1 is already a partition. try /dev/sda |
| 12:32.19 | sebkron | build-essential is already installed.. |
| 12:33.10 | kevix | sebkron: what does 'dpkg -l gcc*' show |
| 12:33.51 | sebkron | kevix: ii gcc 3.3.5-3 The GNU C compiler |
| 12:33.52 | sebkron | pn gcc-2.95 <none> (no description available) |
| 12:33.52 | sebkron | pn gcc-2.95-doc <none> (no description available) |
| 12:33.52 | sebkron | un gcc-3.0 <none> (no description available) |
| 12:33.52 | sebkron | un gcc-3.2 <none> (no description available) |
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| 12:34.10 | abrotman | kevix: you should know better! :) |
| 12:34.40 | wols_ | nobody said sebkron had to paste it all :) |
| 12:34.41 | kevix | abrotman: I should have said: look at the output, but dont paste! |
| 12:34.52 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 12:35.08 | Jacob_ | Hi everyone... I have a quick question about how to set permissions in /var/www... Each of my domains have a home folder in /var/www and two sub folders: website and logs.. Now, I do nok know how to set the propper permissions on these folders. I'd like to be able to upload cms systems for testing and be able to delete them afterwards. How do I do this the right way ? The most secure way? |
| 12:35.12 | chrysopa | wols_, good, its work, but when I try to resize the partition using qtparted, look the message: No Implementation: This ext2 file system has a rather strange layout! Parted can't resize this (yet). |
| 12:35.40 | kevix | sebkron: I guess forgot that you cant paste more than 3 lines or you get kicked out. |
| 12:35.48 | chrysopa | But qtparted make resize for ext3 and ext2 filesystem, or not? |
| 12:35.51 | sebkron | yes, oops |
| 12:36.01 | wols_ | chrysopa: it does. but read the error message |
| 12:36.08 | sebkron | kevix: how can I paste more lines? |
| 12:36.12 | wols_ | somehow your partitiontable is not to parted's liking I guess |
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| 12:36.20 | wols_ | or the fs itself |
| 12:36.29 | chrysopa | I read, but don undestant, I have a problem with my partition table? |
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| 12:37.04 | chrysopa | /dev/sda1 * 1 395136 199148512+ 83 Linux |
| 12:37.17 | chrysopa | The HD mount normally |
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| 12:37.37 | abrotman | !paste |
| 12:37.37 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 12:37.40 | abrotman | sebkron: ^^ |
| 12:37.42 | kevix | sebkron: look at the output of 'dpkg -l gcc*|grep ii' and tell me if you see 3.3,3.4,4.0,4.1 |
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| 12:38.11 | sebkron | #flood |
| 12:38.21 | sebkron | ii gcc 3.3.5-3 The GNU C compiler |
| 12:38.21 | sebkron | ii gcc-3.3 3.3.5-13 The GNU C compiler |
| 12:38.21 | sebkron | ii gcc-3.3-base 3.3.5-13 The GNU Compiler Collection (base package) |
| 12:38.26 | blondie | stop it |
| 12:38.30 | sebkron | ii gcc-3.4 3.4.3-13 The GNU C compiler |
| 12:38.30 | sebkron | ii gcc-3.4-base 3.4.3-13 The GNU Compiler Collection (base package) |
| 12:38.30 | sebkron | ii gcc-4.0-base 4.0.1-2 The GNU Compiler Collection (base package) |
| 12:38.46 | blondie | sebkron: STOP IT |
| 12:38.47 | wols_ | sebkron: are you that thickheaded? |
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| 12:39.00 | sebkron | ok, sorry |
| 12:39.08 | shay|wifi | hi |
| 12:39.23 | florin-_- | does anyone know if the eciadsl driver work with a fastrate 100 usb modem? |
| 12:39.33 | kevix | sebkron: if you want to use #flood, you have to /join #flood |
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| 12:40.21 | sebkron | thanx kavix, I pasted the output using http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 12:40.25 | sebkron | is that ok? |
| 12:40.30 | kevix | sebkron: it seems you should have it? |
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| 12:40.44 | abrotman | sebkron: you have to tell us the number |
| 12:40.58 | blondie | sebkron is a bit... silly? |
| 12:40.59 | sebkron | what number? |
| 12:41.08 | efaistos | did someone already install a Debian on an IBM RS6000 ? |
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| 12:41.09 | kevix | sebkron: ls /usr/bin/i486-linux-gnu-gcc |
| 12:41.16 | weasel00 | jacob_ : reference the apache docs for virtual hosts |
| 12:41.21 | blondie | sebkron: the pastebin number maybe? |
| 12:41.24 | abrotman | efaistos: most likely |
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| 12:41.38 | shay|wifi | is there an speciffic channel dor debian-installer? |
| 12:41.40 | sebkron | there's no such file (/usr/bin/i486-...) |
| 12:41.42 | wols_ | !someone |
| 12:41.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 12:41.54 | abrotman | shay: why? |
| 12:41.55 | efaistos | abrotman, do you have an url about it ? maybe some indications about the installation ? |
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| 12:41.59 | Jacob_ | I know how to setup vhosts, but nok how to set permissions on the folders propperly |
| 12:42.00 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 12:42.00 | dpkg | it has been said that ppc is a RISC microprocessor architecture created by Apple-IBM-Motorola alliance(AIM) in 1991. Originally intended for workstations, PowerPC CPUs have since become popular embedded and high-performance processors as well. PowerPC was the cornerstone of AIM's PReP and Common Hardware Reference Platform initiatives in the 90s but the arch was most successful in the personal computer market in Apple's Power Macintosh line.(1997) ... |
| 12:42.11 | abrotman | efaistos: you mean the PPC based RS6000 right ? |
| 12:42.17 | efaistos | abrotman, yes |
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| 12:42.20 | sebkron | the paste number 1981 |
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| 12:42.38 | shay|wifi | abrotman, I'm interested on doing a little hack |
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| 12:42.49 | abrotman | shay|wifi: a little hack? |
| 12:42.51 | francis | is there a way to get any idea on the speed of mv/cp in any way? |
| 12:42.59 | abrotman | francis: time |
| 12:43.00 | francis | couldn't find any options in the man pages |
| 12:43.08 | shay|wifi | abrotman, yeah, I want to "implant" something to the debian installation |
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| 12:43.10 | weasel00 | jacob_ : for access for various usernames? globals would be chmod 755 <dir>? |
| 12:43.14 | addshore | hi flare |
| 12:43.16 | flare | hi! |
| 12:43.23 | francis | abrotman: no, as in if I'm doing a 1 gig transfer, to see how quick it's going. Just like wget would give |
| 12:43.29 | abrotman | !tell shay|wifi about custom netinst |
| 12:43.30 | addshore | i am bringing jot to thw world |
| 12:43.36 | abrotman | shay|wifi: and it's #debian-boot |
| 12:43.37 | shay|wifi | abrotman, part of it is putting stuff in the initrd image, but I also need to interact with the user via de installation scripts |
| 12:43.43 | blondie | francis: yes, use division |
| 12:43.43 | shay|wifi | abrotman, awesome, thanks |
| 12:43.48 | abrotman | shay|wifi: but they aren't alwawys awake .. so it might take a while to get a response |
| 12:43.51 | blondie | speed = bytes/time c.c |
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| 12:44.03 | shay|wifi | abrotman, I'll check the links, thanks for your help |
| 12:44.06 | Jacob_ | Access to only the domain owner and apache... |
| 12:44.08 | francis | blondie: seems a bit like overkill. There is no simple option for it? |
| 12:44.16 | francis | rate of transfer seems like a fairly standard thing |
| 12:44.18 | efaistos | abrotman, no url about the installation ? |
| 12:44.21 | blondie | francis: no there isnt |
| 12:44.29 | abrotman | !tell efaistos about ig |
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| 12:44.41 | Jacob_ | Should I give the ftpuser the ownership and www-data the group of the doc root ? |
| 12:44.46 | sebkron | blondie, you seem to be so smart.. :) what's your advice concerning missing i486-linux-gnu-gcc |
| 12:45.03 | flare | problem: debian install does not have my network card drivers (ipw2100), now system booted up with feather linux (on usb stick) and network up'n'running, where to search for instruction how to debian without burning cd's or anything? |
| 12:45.05 | blondie | I have none |
| 12:45.06 | efaistos | abrotman, thnks will check that |
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| 12:45.20 | wols_ | but my advice would be to check who or what needs that file and why simple gcc is not enough |
| 12:45.22 | Jacob_ | Maybe umask 007 |
| 12:45.24 | shay|wifi | oh I see that there was a talk about d-i in dc5, I'll check that |
| 12:45.27 | flare | s/debian install does not have/debian install does not have afaik/ |
| 12:45.46 | abrotman | !tell flare about ipw2100 |
| 12:45.58 | flare | yeah, sure i know that. |
| 12:46.05 | kevix | sebkron: you can try to reinstall the package |
| 12:46.16 | sebkron | kevix: which one? |
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| 12:46.47 | weasel00 | jacob_ : http://www.apacheweek.com/features/userauth |
| 12:46.49 | kevix | sebkron: which compiler version do you want? |
| 12:47.02 | sebkron | 3.4? |
| 12:47.20 | flare | but how to install debian to this system without burning a cd, i assume i can make image from the install cd to hd and boot it from there, and save my current ipw drivers but i hope thats not the correct way of doing it |
| 12:47.28 | kevix | apt-get install --reinstall gcc-3.4 |
| 12:47.31 | sebkron | I want to recompile kernel (debian/sarge; 2.6 sth) |
| 12:48.02 | abrotman | will 2.6 compile with a 3.x compiler still ? |
| 12:48.10 | sebkron | what's funny, is that compiling works pretty well when I don't use make-kpkg |
| 12:48.28 | flare | isn't there way to download some installation software, put it to some hd-partition and chroot there? |
| 12:48.32 | sebkron | so it might be a make-kpkg related problem? |
| 12:48.34 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 12:48.34 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 12:48.37 | weasel00 | jacob_ : see the dir permissions and ftp permissions per user/dir |
| 12:48.44 | kevix | sebkron: oh. you know about make-kpkg |
| 12:48.56 | weasel00 | jacob_ : see = set |
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| 12:49.29 | Jacob_ | yes... but what about apache ? |
| 12:49.47 | weasel00 | jacob_ : did you check that link? |
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| 12:50.05 | weasel00 | jacob_ : http://www.apacheweek.com/features/userauth |
| 12:50.13 | Jacob_ | sorry |
| 12:50.56 | Irrumator | flare: You can use knoppix with debootstrap |
| 12:51.07 | weasel00 | no sweat... my alcohol level is decreasing so the brainpower is quickly dieing ;) |
| 12:51.09 | Jacob_ | but thats htaccess |
| 12:51.38 | abrotman | Irrumator: and then he'll get the driver to his debian install how ? |
| 12:52.02 | weasel00 | not secure enough? |
| 12:52.10 | Irrumator | abrotman: During the install, of course. Inside the chroot |
| 12:52.14 | sebkron | kevix: reinstalling gcc didn't help |
| 12:52.31 | Irrumator | Or, he could download the deb to the chroot and build it after booting the system. |
| 12:52.32 | flare | well cant i download the debootstrap on this running linux and chroot into it directly? |
| 12:52.41 | kevix | sebkron: something is not making sense here |
| 12:52.54 | sebkron | I've got the same feeling |
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| 12:53.08 | sebkron | this's why I'm confused |
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| 12:53.36 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 12:53.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
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| 12:53.49 | obscuresoul | hello |
| 12:54.14 | llama32 | [i tried #ocaml and got no response] anyone know if compiled ocaml supports dynamic loading, for plugins and such? |
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| 12:54.28 | sebkron | kevix: after all I can make/install kernel without make-kpkg (this is how I did it before)... |
| 12:54.29 | kevix | sebkron: do this: 'grep i486-linux-gnu-gcc /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list' but do not paste it here |
| 12:54.32 | eBug | when upgrading to xorg7.0 from experimental, i can't start X anymore because of a fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 12:54.34 | abrotman | llama32: probably better to wait for them |
| 12:54.35 | eBug | is this a known problem ? |
| 12:54.43 | sebkron | ok, I won't :) |
| 12:54.47 | abrotman | !tell eBug about fixed |
| 12:54.50 | Shadowcat | eBug: why are you running experimental? |
| 12:54.58 | abrotman | Shad0wcat: brain damage |
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| 12:55.08 | Shadowcat | abrotman: we know that :) |
| 12:55.25 | weasel00 | jacob_ : am i misunderstanding something? its quite possible =) |
| 12:55.31 | abrotman | certainly someone like eBug who is running experimental should know enough to fix the 'fixed' issue |
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| 12:55.39 | kevix | eBug: I tried this but there was a missing dependiecy |
| 12:55.53 | llama32 | abrotman: i'd probably die of old age in the process... i should try google i guess |
| 12:55.57 | sebkron | kevix: fortunately, there's nothing to paste in.. |
| 12:56.04 | Jacob_ | :o) Maybe... I'm just looking for at smart way to set the permissions on home folders of my domains... |
| 12:56.20 | abrotman | llama32: or a more related channel .. i think there's also #programming |
| 12:56.47 | kevix | sebkron: then someone this is really wrong! are you running knoppix, ubuntu or debian? |
| 12:56.59 | sebkron | debian... sarge |
| 12:57.28 | sebkron | let me check my other servers... |
| 12:57.36 | eBug | Shadowcat because I'm a DD and I need to test software |
| 12:57.40 | sebkron | with this grepping lists.. |
| 12:57.42 | obscuresoul | there is a howto to install xorg without having xfree86 in the system? |
| 12:57.47 | eBug | someone has to do it somehow |
| 12:57.55 | abrotman | no freaking way is someone that can't figure out fixed a DD |
| 12:58.19 | kevix | eBug: how did you satisfy off the dep of xorg 7.0? I had 1 dep missing last I checked? |
| 12:58.35 | eBug | kevix sure |
| 12:58.36 | sebkron | kevix: none of my comps has i486-linux-gnu-gcc |
| 12:59.02 | eBug | kevix which one ? |
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| 12:59.15 | kevix | eBug: checking aptitude... |
| 12:59.47 | kevix | eBug: libgl1-mesa |
| 13:00.36 | obscuresoul | !tell obscuresoul about fixed |
| 13:00.50 | kevix | !tell kevix about fixed |
| 13:01.18 | eBug | kevix libgl1-mesa-dri ? |
| 13:01.21 | weasel00 | !beer me |
| 13:02.17 | abrotman | mmm .. yuengling |
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| 13:02.46 | abrotman | why can't you all just wait for X7 to hit sid like normal people! :) |
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| 13:03.20 | FullMoonBerry | normal People?? |
| 13:03.25 | oddbudman | i'm running a program in X11 over SSH is there a way i can exit SSH and keep the program running, then rejoin the program? |
| 13:03.35 | eBug | abrotman xfree86-common package has nothing to do with Xorg7.0 |
| 13:03.43 | kevix | eBug: that is libgl1-mesa-glx 6.4.1-0.3 |
| 13:04.07 | eBug | kevix do u have it installed ? |
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| 13:04.37 | abrotman | weasel00: or sometimes you'd rather make eggs |
| 13:04.43 | kevix | eBug: I did when I tried to run 7.0, I had to downgrade as it I could not make it work |
| 13:04.48 | weasel00 | mmmmm eggnog |
| 13:05.08 | eBug | kevix it's not a dependency problem then |
| 13:05.12 | eBug | ? |
| 13:05.14 | abrotman | is xfonts-base installed? |
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| 13:05.25 | eBug | yep |
| 13:05.32 | weasel00 | abrotman : what format does dpkg pull the beer list from? |
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| 13:05.43 | abrotman | weasel00: a locked list :) |
| 13:05.50 | abrotman | last i knew it was locked anyways |
| 13:05.50 | eBug | ii xfonts-base 1.0.0-1 |
| 13:06.00 | abrotman | yay .. the only cow on the road! |
| 13:06.06 | obscuresoul | there is any documentation to teach how to install xorg in a system which doesn't have xfree86? |
| 13:06.08 | kevix | eBug: 7.0 asked for libgl1-mesa AND libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 13:06.25 | lord_rob | what's the difference between xorg 6.9 and 7.0 ? from a user point of view view I mean ? |
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| 13:06.26 | weasel00 | bummer... was gonna send its owner a more indepth selection ;) |
| 13:06.31 | abrotman | !info xfonts-base experimental |
| 13:06.35 | dpkg | xfonts-base: (standard fonts for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.0-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 5986 kB, Installed size: 8276 kB |
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| 13:07.00 | abrotman | eBug: and xfs ? |
| 13:07.08 | eBug | when it installs postint chokes on update-fonts-alias: |
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| 13:07.28 | eBug | xfonts-base postinst warning: update-fonts-dir --x11r7-layout misc failed; font directory data may not be up to date |
| 13:07.28 | eBug | usage error: unrecognized option |
| 13:07.47 | kevix | eBug: they are changing the location to be FHS compliant |
| 13:08.00 | abrotman | eBug: that might be a good hint :) |
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| 13:08.42 | eBug | kevix problem is the --x11r7-layout option |
| 13:08.45 | kevix | abrotman: Ive install many experimental packages that do work. so this was a first. |
| 13:08.49 | eBug | not the location |
| 13:08.52 | eBug | afaict |
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| 13:09.05 | abrotman | kevix: last one i mucked with was .. X4.3 i think when i got my laptop |
| 13:09.13 | abrotman | or maybe it was the 4.4 .. whatever |
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| 13:10.08 | kevix | eBug: so you did what did and it didnt work either. file a bug and wait for more things to get fixed? |
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| 13:11.08 | Error_X | I still have the same problem... |
| 13:11.43 | abrotman | are you allowed to file a bug on experimental? |
| 13:11.57 | abrotman | i thought it was a 'real bad thing' |
| 13:12.03 | sebkron | there's sth i don't understand: when I search for i486-linux-gnu-gcc ()Search the contents of packages at www.debian.org/distrib/packages I get 'Can't find that file' |
| 13:12.10 | ocun | hi, how can i learn which kernel i am using now |
| 13:12.15 | lilo | maybe someone should remove the start***logger item from dpkg |
| 13:12.29 | epsilon | how do change keyboard layout? My layout just changed from german to english, I have no idea why |
| 13:12.38 | abrotman | lilo: remove the factoid? |
| 13:12.45 | epsilon | at least gnome setting says it's still german |
| 13:13.04 | wols_ | sebkron: apt-get install gcc |
| 13:13.22 | sebkron | wols_: I've got it installed |
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| 13:13.32 | wols_ | sebkron: I don't think so |
| 13:13.39 | abrotman | lilo: ? |
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| 13:13.46 | wols_ | sebkron: it's a virtual package |
| 13:13.52 | kevix | abrotman: the point of experimental is to get folks to test it. so how do you tell the maintqainer how to fix it or give a suggestion? esp? |
| 13:14.06 | sebkron | wols_: ii gcc 3.3.5-3 |
| 13:14.09 | abrotman | kevix: hunt him down and staple it to his chest ? |
| 13:14.32 | wols_ | lilo: symantec is already bringing out updates. "already" :P |
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| 13:15.17 | wols_ | sebkron: all I can tell you is that gcc has to have the file. if yours doesn't it's either broken or not properly installed or not the proper gcc package |
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| 13:16.12 | kevix | wols_: I've told his ever way to install it or check that its installed. nothing worked. no clue why. |
| 13:16.21 | ocun | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.27 | wols_ | uname -a |
| 13:16.43 | wols_ | sebkron: which version of gcc package is it? have you reinstalled it with dpkg forcefully? |
| 13:16.44 | Error_X | Any ideas anyone? |
| 13:17.02 | abrotman | can't remove the factoid anyways .. don will have to do it |
| 13:17.06 | wols_ | Error_X: get udev working |
| 13:17.12 | kevix | wols_: I told him 'apt-get install --reinstall gcc-3.4' |
| 13:17.13 | Error_X | wols_: How? I have installed it |
| 13:17.25 | Error_X | kevix: Didn't see it |
| 13:17.26 | sebkron | wolf_: thanx, I did reinstall gcc and in /usr/bin I have i486-linux-gnu-cpp but not ..gnu-gcc |
| 13:17.34 | wols_ | kevix: NOT gcc-3.4. It's gcc. only gcc, nothing else |
| 13:17.45 | ocun | thanx wols_ |
| 13:17.49 | Error_X | !udev |
| 13:17.50 | dpkg | i heard udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 13:18.01 | weasel00 | !phpbb |
| 13:18.01 | dpkg | phpbb is probably see ~bbs |
| 13:18.24 | weasel00 | ~bbs |
| 13:18.25 | apt | i guess bbs is bulletin board system, typically used by dialing in directly with a modem, back in the "old days" |
| 13:18.33 | jvw | erm |
| 13:18.42 | jvw | that makes no sense |
| 13:18.52 | abrotman | it's a bot |
| 13:18.54 | wols_ | sebkron: http://pdo.debian.net/stable/devel/gcc |
| 13:18.57 | wols_ | this package |
| 13:19.07 | jvw | iirc, it used to be something meaningful? |
| 13:19.09 | kevix | wols_: gcc is a metapackage |
| 13:19.12 | Error_X | How do I get udev to work? |
| 13:19.16 | abrotman | dpkg: no phpbb is a PHP Bulletin Board. try #phpbb |
| 13:19.16 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
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| 13:19.28 | abrotman | jvw: better? |
| 13:19.32 | wols_ | kevix: and that file he needs is just a link. either my dpkg is lying or he needs that file, period |
| 13:19.36 | jvw | you can also point at the 'phpbb2' debian package |
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| 13:19.44 | abrotman | jvw: is it in debian? |
| 13:19.58 | weasel00 | i just installed it... phpbb2.0.18 |
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| 13:20.06 | weasel00 | its listed in apt-get |
| 13:20.06 | wols_ | weasel00: my condolences |
| 13:20.10 | jvw | abrotman: yes |
| 13:20.18 | weasel00 | wols_ why? |
| 13:20.21 | jvw | http://merkel.debian.org/~jeroen/pdo/phpbb2 |
| 13:20.32 | sebkron | wols_: ok, but notice that it doesn't contain usr/bin/i486-linux-gnu-gcc |
| 13:20.43 | abrotman | !phpbb is also Package name is phpbb2 in sarge/etch. apt-cache search phpbb |
| 13:20.43 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 13:21.16 | wols_ | dpkg -S /usr/bin/i486-linux-gnu-gcc |
| 13:21.16 | dpkg | Badgers ate my /usr/bin/i486-linux-gnu-gcc! |
| 13:21.16 | wols_ | gcc: /usr/bin/i486-linux-gnu-gcc |
| 13:21.18 | weasel00 | !phpbb |
| 13:21.18 | dpkg | [phpbb] a PHP Bulletin Board. try #phpbb. Package name is phpbb2 in sarge/etch. apt-cache search phpbb |
| 13:21.19 | wols_ | so it doesn't? |
| 13:21.37 | kevix | wols_: what does this: 'grep i486-linux-gnu-gcc /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list' show to you? |
| 13:22.00 | wols_ | /var/lib/dpkg/info/gcc.list:/usr/bin/i486-linux-gnu-gcc |
| 13:22.04 | wols_ | satisfied? |
| 13:22.21 | sebkron | wols_: not me :) |
| 13:22.32 | abrotman | !find usr/bin/i486-linux-gnu-gcc sarge |
| 13:22.35 | sebkron | I don't have these links |
| 13:22.47 | wols_ | sebkron: have you installed the package I showed you? and I want the full one, incl. version numbers pasted and shit |
| 13:23.03 | abrotman | weasel00: dpkg -L phpbb2 |
| 13:23.08 | sebkron | wols_: ok, I try that one |
| 13:23.29 | weasel00 | gdi i have to remember that lol |
| 13:23.51 | wols_ | dpkg: has abrotman broken you? |
| 13:23.59 | jvw | weasel00: any package has /usr/share/doc/$pkg with documentaiton |
| 13:24.00 | wols_ | yep you have |
| 13:24.01 | Gnea | !beer me |
| 13:24.04 | abrotman | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight? |
| 13:24.04 | dpkg | abrotman: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 13:24.05 | Error_X | hm |
| 13:24.07 | kevix | wols_: I tried and he says it didn't work. maybe he has a RO /usr |
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| 13:24.11 | Gnea | !helixsmite abro |
| 13:24.13 | Gnea | !helixsmite abrotman |
| 13:24.22 | wols_ | !didnt work |
| 13:24.22 | abrotman | yay |
| 13:24.26 | wols_ | !didntwork |
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| 13:24.33 | abrotman | wols_: doesnt work |
| 13:24.40 | deviazion | lol |
| 13:24.55 | wols_ | kevix: ok abrotman broke dpkg, but you should know that facotoid. in short: your "doesn't work" description sucks |
| 13:24.56 | eBug_ | my /usr/sbin/update-fonts-alias says: XDIR=/usr/share/fonts/X11/$1 |
| 13:24.58 | eBug_ | then when I sh -x it I get: |
| 13:25.00 | eBug_ | + XDIR=/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc |
| 13:25.03 | wols_ | and if he has a RO /usr, dpkg would tell him that |
| 13:25.04 | eBug_ | does it make any sense ? |
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| 13:25.47 | weasel00 | i know that... but its scattered files all over the place and im trying to make sense of it now... im used to installing from the tarball |
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| 13:25.48 | abrotman | wols_: ? |
| 13:25.52 | abrotman | !doesnt work |
| 13:25.55 | kevix | wols_: I could have written a 2000 word essay but it would not fix his problem. |
| 13:25.55 | abrotman | !doesn;t work |
| 13:26.00 | abrotman | bah .. i give up |
| 13:26.05 | wols_ | abrotman: you broke it! |
| 13:26.10 | abrotman | !doesn't work |
| 13:26.10 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 13:26.13 | abrotman | yay |
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| 13:26.27 | Norbert | OT: Does anyone here know a cluster search engine like clusty.com which shows (Flash) graphs? |
| 13:26.29 | Error_X | wel, what can I atleast do to get it to work? |
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| 13:26.58 | abrotman | Norbert: kartoo.com ? |
| 13:27.06 | abrotman | Norbert: wait .. what's a cluster search? |
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| 13:27.31 | gnomefreak | what is the debian menu name so i can installed it in ubuntu? |
| 13:27.41 | Norbert | abrotman: yes, kartoo is close, but no (Flash) graphs either... |
| 13:27.52 | abrotman | Norbert: they used to be all flash |
| 13:27.54 | weasel00 | where are the flash graphs? |
| 13:28.08 | abrotman | Norbert: and still is for me |
| 13:28.22 | kevix | gnomefreak: menu-xdg ? |
| 13:28.36 | gnomefreak | dont know ill try it and let you know |
| 13:28.44 | abrotman | or you could ask #ubuntu ? |
| 13:28.49 | weasel00 | oooo kartoo looks cool |
| 13:28.56 | abrotman | it should be the same package name afaik .. |
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| 13:29.08 | abrotman | weasel00: it is |
| 13:29.09 | gnomefreak | abrotman, im in ubuntu |
| 13:29.11 | Error_X | How do I get udev to work? |
| 13:29.14 | Norbert | abrotman: yes, kartoo.com is Flash, but I've seen a much cooler one linked to from Slashdot years ago... I wonder if it's still on-line ;-) |
| 13:29.18 | abrotman | gnomefreak: i realize that |
| 13:29.19 | gnomefreak | pdmenu used to work for me but now it wont |
| 13:29.24 | kevix | gnomefreak: or maybe its menu ? |
| 13:29.33 | abrotman | Norbert: oh . no idea .. kartoo is fun to play with though :) |
| 13:29.36 | gnomefreak | kevix, got that too |
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| 13:29.52 | deviazion | gnomefreak: menu is the package name according to me... you have to make your "menu" use the menu tool too |
| 13:29.54 | s1lent_al | hi, is there a ssh channel on this server? |
| 13:29.58 | weasel00 | abrotman : searched "real pirates" and got real estate sites lol |
| 13:30.03 | kevix | gnomefreak: I just used pdmenu in SId. it works here, |
| 13:30.05 | gnomefreak | ok ty |
| 13:30.12 | deviazion | gnomefreak: to do that you should read menu docs |
| 13:30.21 | gnomefreak | menu-xdg worked |
| 13:30.31 | wols_ | sebkron: so does it work? |
| 13:30.32 | Error_X | is sid unstable? |
| 13:30.37 | gnomefreak | ty guys |
| 13:30.38 | wols_ | that new gcc? |
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| 13:30.47 | wols_ | Error_X: you are NO DD sir |
| 13:30.56 | Error_X | no dd? |
| 13:31.01 | wols_ | oops. was ebug |
| 13:31.06 | wols_ | sorry, mea culpa |
| 13:31.09 | wols_ | yes sid is unstable |
| 13:31.28 | Error_X | hehe |
| 13:31.35 | abrotman | weasel00: i searched for 'abrotman' .. and found a page in spanish where i accuse an ircop of being drag |
| 13:31.35 | Norbert | abrotman: I just now noticed the options, increased the number of sites in the search... it may have been kartoo after all - thanks ;-) |
| 13:31.40 | kevix | wols_: there are 1000 DD's. so who knows |
| 13:31.47 | abrotman | Norbert: enjoy! |
| 13:32.11 | sebkron | wols_: I followed you suggestions. Still nothing... |
| 13:32.12 | weasel00 | bwahahaha |
| 13:32.23 | Error_X | what kernel version do you run kevix? |
| 13:32.23 | sebkron | wols_: in paste #1982 you can find more info |
| 13:32.46 | kevix | just was an upload of 2.6.16! |
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| 13:32.55 | wols_ | sebkron: paste the fuil url not just the number, so people can easily cut+paste it |
| 13:32.56 | Error_X | ooo |
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| 13:33.32 | sebkron | wols_: ok, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1982 |
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| 13:34.14 | wols_ | sebkron: "dpkg -L gcc" in that pastebin |
| 13:34.19 | weasel00 | ooooo sahweet. phpbb comes preconfigured for multiple forums... i used to hack the db's for that =D |
| 13:34.36 | weasel00 | wish i was using debian long time ago |
| 13:34.50 | wols_ | sebkron: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1984 |
| 13:35.13 | sebkron | wols_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1985 |
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| 13:35.20 | Error_X | wols_: Any ideas of how I can fix the 2.6.15 kernel to boot correctly? |
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| 13:35.52 | sebkron | wols_: I can see the difference :) |
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| 13:36.08 | britt | how do I clear tiger's cache of problems it finds? |
| 13:36.26 | stoner | hello netgear users!!! |
| 13:36.27 | stoner | DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
| 13:36.35 | wols_ | sebkron: just create the damn symlink and be done with it |
| 13:36.41 | wols_ | fuck gcc |
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| 13:37.05 | Error_X | fuck 2.6.15 :p |
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| 13:37.12 | sebkron | wols_: thanx :) this's what I'll do |
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| 13:37.15 | fkz | why? |
| 13:37.21 | britt | :o 2.6.15 kernel is out? |
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| 13:37.28 | Error_X | because it won't boot |
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| 13:37.37 | Error_X | britt: yes |
| 13:37.59 | abrotman | !prize azeem |
| 13:38.12 | azeem | pfft, where's my pony? |
| 13:38.12 | britt | LMAO azeem |
| 13:38.16 | abrotman | !prize azeem |
| 13:38.24 | abrotman | azeem: too early for the ponies |
| 13:38.29 | abrotman | !beer azeem |
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| 13:38.36 | azeem | Jever! ugh |
| 13:38.40 | Error_X | !booze azeem |
| 13:38.44 | Error_X | bleh |
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| 13:39.33 | britt | is 2.6.15 worth going to for a common user? |
| 13:39.34 | okaratas | hello channel |
| 13:39.41 | Error_X | britt: hell no |
| 13:39.53 | britt | Error_X: lol |
| 13:39.55 | Error_X | britt: I'm thinking my ass of on how to get it to work... |
| 13:39.58 | britt | buggy still? |
| 13:40.08 | weasel00 | mmm genaver <-- dutch vodka, makes ya mad |
| 13:40.10 | Error_X | wel, this is what I get: |
| 13:40.14 | kevix | wols_: I think that guy was using woody. how else can he have i386? |
| 13:40.53 | Error_X | Begin: Mounting root file systems... Begin: Running /scripts/local-top... /scripts/local-top/lvm: 36: vgchange: not found. Done... /init: 1: cannot open /dev/root: No such device or addr... Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount... Done. Usage: modprobe [blablabla]... modprobe -r -n..... mount:..... Cannot read /etc/fstab: No such file or dir... Begin: Running /scripts/log-bottom... Done (twice)... Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom.... Mo |
| 13:40.55 | wols_ | acould be |
| 13:41.09 | britt | lol |
| 13:41.09 | Error_X | and YES, udev is installed |
| 13:41.10 | wols_ | sebkron: do you run oldstable or stable |
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| 13:41.25 | britt | sounds frustrating Error_X |
| 13:41.38 | eBug_ | does anyone know when seamonkey will hit debian ? |
| 13:41.44 | britt | but as for me, i guess i'm staying with 2.6.8-2 :p |
| 13:41.46 | Error_X | britt: I Know :s |
| 13:41.58 | wols_ | Error_X: you might have to edit your /etc/fstab properly and your menu.lst. never ran udev myself so I dunno as what your partitions show up under /dev |
| 13:42.25 | Error_X | wols_: Wel, it can't even read fstab |
| 13:42.28 | Gnea | britt: 2.6.15 will be fine for a common user |
| 13:42.31 | sebkron | wols_: stable |
| 13:42.48 | wols_ | Error_X: then it might be menu.lst |
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| 13:43.04 | Gnea | Error_X: did you switch drives around? |
| 13:43.07 | britt | Gnea: well if it doesnt work well, i'm not usin it |
| 13:43.10 | kevix | sebkron: what is in /etc/debian_version |
| 13:43.16 | Gnea | britt: *shrug* works fine here |
| 13:43.17 | abrotman | eBug_: like everything else .. when it's ready/packaged? |
| 13:43.18 | wols_ | Error_X: what is the /dev entry for / when you run 2.6.8 and what is the dev entry for it when you run .15? |
| 13:43.18 | Error_X | Gnea: No |
| 13:43.25 | sebkron | kevix: 3.1 |
| 13:43.47 | Error_X | wols_: /dev/hdb1 is my root disk |
| 13:43.57 | Gnea | Error_X: then you either told it the wrong root device, used a new kernel with limited capabilities or, as someone suggested, /etc/fstab is wh0red |
| 13:44.00 | Error_X | btw, I couldn't locate any menu.lst |
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| 13:44.17 | coolsail | 没ä¸å›½äººå•Šï¼Ÿ |
| 13:44.19 | wols_ | Error_X: you have one with sarge. grub needs it |
| 13:44.19 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.25 | britt | Gnea: so whats the diff between 2.6.8-2 and 2.6.15? |
| 13:44.27 | Error_X | I use lilo |
| 13:44.34 | Gnea | britt: read the changelog |
| 13:44.45 | luite | will be a long read ;) |
| 13:44.49 | Gnea | then maybe your lilo is screwed up |
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| 13:44.57 | abrotman | !feed kevix |
| 13:44.58 | Gnea | check /etc/lilo.conf |
| 13:45.00 | wols_ | sebkron: download it directly from http://pdo.debian.net/stable/devel/gcc and install it with --force via dpkg. then you have the link |
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| 13:45.26 | sebkron | wols_: ok, I will try it |
| 13:46.00 | Quaternion | coolsail: for Chinese, please go to #debian-zh. I think #debian a english language channel. |
| 13:46.18 | Error_X | boot=/dev/hdb... root=/dev/hdb1,, seems correct to me |
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| 13:46.20 | britt | if anybody knows about the program tiger, do they know how to clear the cache of alerts? |
| 13:46.45 | coolsail | Quaternion，thank you . |
| 13:46.59 | sebkron | wols_: sorry for a silly question, but there's a whole bunch of mirrors under Download Page for gcc_3.3.5-3_i386.deb on Intel x86 machines |
| 13:47.02 | Gnea | Error_X: perhaps filesystem corruption - no device is no device |
| 13:47.03 | coolsail | and you understand what i said ? |
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| 13:47.16 | Gyuszk|nem | bye |
| 13:47.17 | sebkron | wols_: any preferences? |
| 13:47.17 | Error_X | Gnea: Why would 2.6.8 load them? |
| 13:47.37 | Error_X | I've reinstalled debian like 5 times |
| 13:47.39 | wols_ | sebkron: try the ftp.debian.org/ftp one |
| 13:47.41 | Error_X | and its the same problem |
| 13:47.44 | coolsail | how to update my firefox? |
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| 13:48.04 | wols_ | coolsail: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 13:48.25 | wols_ | coolsail: if that isn't new enough for you: backports |
| 13:48.35 | coolsail | firefox has been installed ,but it 's not the newest. |
| 13:48.38 | britt | wouldnt aptget update update a existing firefox |
| 13:48.43 | britt | apt-get |
| 13:48.45 | sebkron | wols_: ok |
| 13:48.46 | coolsail | and some themes can't be used. |
| 13:48.48 | britt | no |
| 13:48.53 | britt | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:49.09 | wols_ | coolsail: if you run stable, it will never be the newest again. stable is stable and will never change except for some security fixes |
| 13:49.23 | weasel00 | apt-get sleep_lib.8088.bed |
| 13:49.30 | coolsail | i use breezy |
| 13:49.44 | abrotman | #ubuntu please |
| 13:49.46 | wols_ | coolsail: then go #ubuntu. this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 13:49.48 | roxy_ | Hi. I have 2 debian machines. 1 with 2.6(the main one) and the other with 2.4. I want user to use the 2.4 to log into 2.6 and then to be for them exactly the same that if there was on the 2.6. Graphic, sound recording ... what would be the best way to do that? |
| 13:49.50 | valdyn | coolsail: get get flamed in #ubuntu then |
| 13:49.53 | valdyn | coolsail: go get flamed in #ubuntu then |
| 13:50.02 | Gnea | !tell coolsail about ubuntu |
| 13:50.07 | coolsail | ok |
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| 13:50.32 | wols_ | roxy_: remote X probably |
| 13:50.46 | britt | or vnc |
| 13:50.56 | britt | vnc is usually quicker, ive used both though |
| 13:51.00 | valdyn | roxy_: why would you do that? |
| 13:51.22 | roxy_ | Britt: is vnc ok with 2.4 kernel ? |
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| 13:51.32 | wols_ | britt: native methods are always better than vnc. and I dunno how you can use sound over vnc |
| 13:51.50 | wols_ | kernel doesn't matter |
| 13:51.51 | britt | true |
| 13:52.01 | valdyn | roxy_: vnc does not depend on specific kernel features |
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| 13:52.17 | britt | but there is lag even on a LAN with remote X |
| 13:52.19 | roxy_ | sound is very important for this setting, would it be ok? |
| 13:52.31 | britt | do remote X then... |
| 13:52.32 | roxy_ | recording and listening |
| 13:52.41 | valdyn | roxy_: this whole seems not a good one |
| 13:52.46 | valdyn | roxy_: this whole idea seems not a good one |
| 13:52.55 | britt | i agree |
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| 13:53.09 | britt | i'd upgrade the 2.4 machine it'll save you headache |
| 13:53.09 | weasel00_afk | roxy_ : whjat is the issue with them logging into the 2.6? |
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| 13:53.17 | valdyn | roxy_: there's funnier ways to kill your performance too |
| 13:53.32 | gremlins_4u | hi ! |
| 13:53.34 | britt | like having your box get hacked into |
| 13:53.53 | gremlins_4u | i m running under ubuntu and debian |
| 13:54.05 | gremlins_4u | and i need help about mldonkey |
| 13:54.06 | britt | that was funny for someone...backing up 8GB over 40k capped cable link wasnt fun for me |
| 13:54.14 | gremlins_4u | can anyone help me ? |
| 13:54.20 | SlammerXP | gremlins_4u: unlikely. |
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| 13:54.41 | valdyn | !help |
| 13:54.41 | wols_ | gremlins_4u: are you running debian or ubuntu? |
| 13:54.45 | weasel00_afk | roxy_ : if a/v work is being done the dropped / not sync framerates will drive them batty =/ |
| 13:54.46 | gremlins_4u | the 2 |
| 13:54.46 | valdyn | @help |
| 13:54.59 | wols_ | gremlins_4u: you cannot run under both. either or |
| 13:55.07 | DistroWatch | what would be the best proxy to use in debian . i would like to use it for xchat and firefox too , any ideea ? |
| 13:55.07 | gremlins_4u | no |
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| 13:55.22 | wols_ | DistroWatch: a socks proxy |
| 13:55.28 | wols_ | if xchat can use that |
| 13:55.38 | DistroWatch | wols_ it can yeah |
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| 13:55.40 | Gnea | !apt-spy |
| 13:55.40 | dpkg | well, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' |
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| 13:55.52 | ludwig | Hallo! |
| 13:56.03 | weasel00_afk | !sleep |
| 13:56.03 | dpkg | well, sleep is For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... |
| 13:56.04 | ludwig | I have some trouble with LILO ... |
| 13:56.05 | wols_ | gremlins_4u: do you have mixed ubuntu and debian on the same install? |
| 13:56.12 | britt | ludwig: tag! |
| 13:56.15 | Gnea | DistroWatch: bnc works good |
| 13:56.15 | azeem | weasel00_afk: please don't abuse the bot too much |
| 13:56.16 | gremlins_4u | aaah |
| 13:56.17 | gremlins_4u | no |
| 13:56.20 | Error_X | Uhm, my harddisk is primary slave, but it shows as: hdb |
| 13:56.21 | gremlins_4u | nono |
| 13:56.24 | sebkron | wols_: I checked a few mirrors/debs.. they all miss that damn links |
| 13:56.28 | abrotman | gremlins_4u: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 13:56.29 | azeem | weasel00_afk: or /msg it if you want to explore its factoids |
| 13:56.38 | gremlins_4u | excepting sometimes for marillat repositories |
| 13:56.39 | Unity | Error_X: it's supposed to? |
| 13:56.43 | valdyn | Error_X: what's wrong with that? |
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| 13:56.48 | Error_X | not hda? |
| 13:56.49 | DistroWatch | Gnea well i dont want bnc, i only want to use xchat |
| 13:56.51 | roxy_ | valdyn: the 2.6 is the main one. When me or my gf are alone we prefer to use that one(screen keyboard...). the 2.4 is just a small laptop with no cd. but we use it when the other person use the main one. Any other setting that would suit us bettter? |
| 13:56.53 | sebkron | wols_: what's your deb says? (dpkg -c gcc_3.3.5-3_i386.deb) |
| 13:56.56 | Unity | Error_X: hda is primary slave |
| 13:57.00 | weasel00_afk | azeem : sorry... night all |
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| 13:57.06 | Unity | Error_X: i mean primary master |
| 13:57.08 | Gnea | DistroWatch: well you asked for a proxy for irc |
| 13:57.11 | Gnea | !best |
| 13:57.11 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 13:57.29 | sebkron | wols_: when I did that link by hand, obviously it works... |
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| 13:57.32 | wols_ | sebkron: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-defaults/gcc_3.3.5-3_i386.deb |
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| 13:57.37 | DistroWatch | Gnea i asked for a best proxy to use it with xchat :) |
| 13:57.42 | valdyn | roxy_: just install the functionality you need on that laptop |
| 13:57.45 | ludwig | I accidentally crashed the MBR and now wanted to install LILO on it again ... Started a Knoppix, mounted the root- and boot-partitions on "/dev/hda6" and "/dev/hda6/boot" respectively, ran "lilo -r /dev/hda6" ... => "Fatal: open /dev/hda: Permission denied" |
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| 13:57.48 | Gnea | and you didn't state that bnc wasn't preferred from the onset |
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| 13:57.51 | sebkron | wols_: ok, fetching |
| 13:57.54 | wols_ | DistroWatch: you asked for one for ffox and xchat. BIG difference |
| 13:57.58 | Gnea | !tell DistroWatch about best |
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| 13:58.12 | DistroWatch | Gnea i readthat already . stop doing it |
| 13:58.31 | wols_ | DistroWatch: then stop asking it. don't you ever learn? |
| 13:58.47 | Gnea | DistroWatch: stop asking absurd questions and i might consider it |
| 13:58.50 | valdyn | roxy_: and if there really is a program that runs only on the 2.6 box, use ssh |
| 13:58.51 | sebkron | wols_: diff says that all files (including one you point at) are identical |
| 13:58.53 | valdyn | !sshx |
| 13:58.53 | dpkg | well, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 13:59.18 | roxy_ | valdyn: skype is not working on ssh. |
| 13:59.23 | abrotman | xoz: yeah .. that think doesn't compile so well |
| 13:59.25 | Error_X | but I just can't figure out why my 2.6.15 won't boot correctly :-/ I installed from a sarge netinst cd btw |
| 13:59.29 | Irrumator | Wow, google's down |
| 13:59.29 | valdyn | roxy_: yes it is sure |
| 13:59.31 | abrotman | xoz: thing |
| 13:59.32 | Irrumator | At least for me |
| 13:59.36 | sebkron | wols_: and none of them has i486-linux-gnu-gcc |
| 13:59.59 | valdyn | roxy_: read what dpkg said and after you set things up ssh -X to your 2.6 box and run skype.. |
| 14:00.03 | wols_ | sebkron: sorry, I don't know where I got it from then :( |
| 14:00.06 | wols_ | my .deb I mean |
| 14:00.13 | sebkron | anyway, thanx for help, I simply make that link and give up.. |
| 14:00.23 | chuckyp | Irrumator, google's not down |
| 14:00.23 | loggygreg | Irrumator: not for me |
| 14:00.31 | valdyn | roxy_: though it would probably be more reasonable to just run skype on that laptop |
| 14:00.43 | roxy_ | weasel00_afk, valdyn , britt : so you all agree that my idea just sucks ? and I'd better do something else? |
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| 14:01.02 | gremlins_4u | okay |
| 14:01.18 | gremlins_4u | i will ask for my question in #ubuntu |
| 14:01.35 | gremlins_4u | can i ask here for general questions about the world of debian distro ? |
| 14:01.38 | nvz | if you would please, how do I set the default font size for mozilla the pages load too small and I dont want to have to press to increase all the time |
| 14:01.38 | gremlins_4u | thx |
| 14:01.40 | roxy_ | valdyn: but I still need to have 1 single home directory |
| 14:01.46 | gremlins_4u | ++ |
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| 14:01.49 | valdyn | roxy_: remote audio/video is you are trying to do is stupid |
| 14:01.59 | valdyn | roxy_: no, you can use rsync |
| 14:02.04 | roxy_ | valdyn: I did get your point :-) |
| 14:02.09 | nvz | mozilla firefox that is.. I would think there is a way beyond setting the whole gtk font size |
| 14:02.12 | wols_ | roxy_: just mount the home directory via NFS |
| 14:02.19 | nvz | I mean the actual fonts on teh page not the app |
| 14:02.51 | valdyn | roxy_: i'd prefer my laptop working even when the 2.6 box is not available, but nfs is sure a probability |
| 14:03.11 | wols_ | Greatred: we only support debian. no mixes between debian and anything else, not even ubuntu. If you run normal dbeian, fine. if not: no support here |
| 14:03.26 | roxy_ | valdyn: good point. I need to read on rsync. thanks for the advice. |
| 14:03.29 | chuckyp | Whats the question? |
| 14:03.40 | valdyn | !rsync |
| 14:03.40 | dpkg | methinks rsync is a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 14:03.52 | cahoot | nvz: edit-prefs-fonts doesn't do it for you? |
| 14:03.55 | nvz | ==nvm I found the font settings |
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| 14:04.22 | nvz | cahoot: I am just really really REALLY pissed off over my phone company right now and overlooked that little button |
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| 14:04.42 | abrotman | nvz: are they sticking it to you? |
| 14:04.50 | nvz | abrotman: from every angle |
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| 14:05.12 | nvz | abrotman: they somehow managed to get me all tied up and ready for action before I even realized it |
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| 14:05.21 | chuckyp | nvz, what are you talking about phone company? |
| 14:05.21 | nvz | abrotman: I'm like their love puppet or so they think |
| 14:05.22 | Grzechu | #poland |
| 14:05.33 | abrotman | nvz: you gonna cancel your contract? |
| 14:05.37 | nvz | chuckyp: sprint pcs is sticking it to me |
| 14:05.40 | SaLoMoN | gn8 |
| 14:05.46 | chuckyp | nvz, how so? |
| 14:05.50 | nvz | abrotman: if we dont come to terms this weekend |
| 14:06.06 | abrotman | nvz: were you doing too much testing? |
| 14:06.10 | abrotman | texting |
| 14:06.11 | Grzechu | #debian.pl |
| 14:06.13 | nvz | abrotman: I cant have them ruining my credit.. I got denied credit accounts already because of them |
| 14:06.21 | abrotman | Grzechu: /join #debian.pl |
| 14:06.23 | abrotman | !pl |
| 14:06.23 | dpkg | well, pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 14:06.24 | chuckyp | nvz, what are they doing? |
| 14:06.46 | nvz | abrotman: no I have not gone outside my credit limit.. they have been making me go over any way they can figure out.. its been illegal from the start. |
| 14:06.47 | Grzechu | abrotman THA |
| 14:06.50 | Grzechu | *THX |
| 14:06.52 | abrotman | nvz: you're supposed to pay your bills when you get them :) |
| 14:07.18 | Gnea | nvz: that's okay, verizon is on a rampage with me, and my credit's been proper fucked for many, many years |
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| 14:07.31 | nvz | abrotman: I got a bill here 1st one, for $91.22 for Oct29-Nov28 with taxes and the whole nine.. and I bought the phone 8pm Nov 28 IIRC |
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| 14:07.37 | abrotman | am i the only one who pays his bills ? |
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| 14:07.52 | abrotman | nvz: doh! |
| 14:07.55 | Gnea | abrotman: as long as they don't make it to a collection agency it's all good |
| 14:07.57 | nvz | abrotman: I did pay it.. I was suppose to get free features the first month.. I got them the first 1/3 of a day |
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| 14:08.06 | chuckyp | abrotman, I pay mine |
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| 14:08.41 | Gnea | abrotman: funny, i'm considering tmobile |
| 14:08.56 | chuckyp | nvz, if you are that disatisfied and they won't aid you if you bitch enough just file a civil lawsuit. They never show up oin court and you win. |
| 14:09.05 | wols_ | hehe. t-mobile is the local monopoly here. total shit :) |
| 14:09.10 | abrotman | Gnea: the "rural" coverage isn't so hot .. but around philly .. it's pretty damn good(and along most highways) |
| 14:09.17 | nvz | abrotman: thats just the tip of the ice burg.. each day after that has just gotten worse I havent been paying them now cause I can calculate from the day I bought it every penny including extra features, and taxes what I owe what I payed and when I payed it and I should have never at any point in time owned them more than my $125 credit limit.. but yet I've had my phone shut of more than half a dozen times |
| 14:09.30 | abrotman | Gnea: they're even running a special .. like $40 for like 1500 minutes etc .. |
| 14:09.36 | Gnea | abrotman: sounds about on par with verizon... does sprint even HAVE any rural coverage? |
| 14:09.43 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:09.53 | smains | !python2.4 |
| 14:09.56 | Gnea | :) |
| 14:09.59 | smains | !python |
| 14:09.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it, or see http://python.org/topics/learn/ |
| 14:10.06 | abrotman | nvz: you hate spring eh? |
| 14:10.08 | abrotman | sprint |
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| 14:10.25 | abrotman | Gnea: i don't mind .. the frreaking sim card is the best part |
| 14:10.26 | nvz | abrotman: they refuse to explain where the hell its comming from. I just sat here and started from the beginning the signing of the contract and the first bill making notes.. and got to the Ts&Cs and I dont have those it mentions to call a number for them and the lady tried to redirect me to another number that I called already and they dont understand the words comming out of my mouth |
| 14:10.34 | smains | how do I get debian to use python2.4 instead of python2.3 as default? (using sid) |
| 14:10.50 | Gnea | abrotman: at least he doesn't have some midwest company |
| 14:10.58 | abrotman | smains: probably you shoudln't |
| 14:10.58 | nvz | abrotman: they are like robots who never have answers to the questions you ask, yet are always trying to talk about something irrelevant. |
| 14:11.24 | nvz | abrotman: I am ready to go for the "bindin arbitration" section of the contract. |
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| 14:11.29 | smains | abrotman: why not? |
| 14:11.35 | abrotman | nvz: do eet! |
| 14:11.49 | abrotman | smains: because they make the system work for a certain python .. |
| 14:11.52 | juice` | what package i could be missing if after base system install (just plain netinst debian testing) my screen doesnt work how it should? its messing up when i use programs with ncurses or when i run man (i have less) |
| 14:11.59 | Gnea | nvz: what about cingular? |
| 14:12.00 | wols_ | smains: change the /usr/bin/python symlink |
| 14:12.18 | abrotman | you're really not supposed to chnage that python symlink |
| 14:12.22 | nvz | abrotman: there is no way I have to stick to 1) a contract, 2) ruin my credit, or 3) pay to get out of it.. and they dont even have to hold up their end of the bargain, they can just month after month keep violating the terms of a fucking conract I signed in triplicate. |
| 14:12.24 | abrotman | but .. hey .. do whatever you want :) |
| 14:12.25 | wols_ | smains: but pray all the support packages are there for python2.4 as well |
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| 14:12.56 | abrotman | nvz: you're gonna lawyer up ? |
| 14:12.58 | nvz | Gnea: all my friends have sprint so even if _I_ could save money and hassel.. if my friends had to pay to talk to me.. they would be more reluctant to do so, at least at the level we do now. |
| 14:13.11 | smains | abrotman and wols_: So basically I have to install all the python2.3 packages as python2.4 packages before attempting to change the symlink? |
| 14:13.28 | nvz | abrotman: I am trying to settle this out of court but I cant find a damn yinzer in the whole company.. every time I call its someone from india or something. |
| 14:13.40 | wols_ | smains: if you want your stuff to work, yes |
| 14:13.44 | Gnea | nvz: heh, "it costs so much to talk to you, you're such an asshole! i hate you! i'm never talking to you again!" |
| 14:13.57 | smains | wols_: well... I do :) |
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| 14:14.05 | abrotman | nvz: hehe |
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| 14:14.26 | nvz | abrotman: nobody understands a word I say. they all just keep giving me temp credit and turning it back on.. I keep telling them its unacceptable my trust in sprint is down to 0 and I am not sending any more money to a company I cant trust who can neither explain my contract or my bills. |
| 14:14.45 | juice` | what package i could be missing if after base system install (just plain netinst debian testing) my screen doesnt work how it should? its messing up when i use programs with ncurses or when i run man (i have `less'). I mean, what package is responsible for screen configuration (i'm just talking about console of course) |
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| 14:14.48 | Eulex | wols_, changing that symlink only leads to trouble. |
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| 14:14.56 | abrotman | nvz: why not go to the mall and talk to them? |
| 14:14.58 | nvz | abrotman: the credit worked the first time.. after that I want to know wtf is happening. I am not going to just keep sending money to them. |
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| 14:15.28 | verne | i've downloaded debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso, and i boot from my CD and now its starting up the partioner, but it's stuck to 52% 10mins now, is that normal? |
| 14:15.31 | abrotman | nvz: this is why you can't trust canada! |
| 14:15.34 | nvz | abrotman: I dont have a car and those people dont know anything either.. I know my friend works there.. and I ask him shit and he has no idea.. and hes really good at what he does. |
| 14:15.44 | dvs | verne: Nope |
| 14:15.50 | verne | what should i do? |
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| 14:15.58 | dvs | abrotman: WHAT!?! Grrrrrrr! |
| 14:16.00 | abrotman | nvz: they should have managers etc |
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| 14:16.15 | wols_ | Eulex: why? not like gentoo where the full packagemanager depends on python |
| 14:16.25 | DistroWatch | is package DenyHosts installed by default in debian ? |
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| 14:16.44 | abrotman | the what? |
| 14:16.52 | Eulex | wols_, well, afaik far from all python modules are built for 2.4 yet |
| 14:16.57 | dvs | verne: Restart the CD and partition the drive yourself. |
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| 14:17.10 | dvs | abrotman: <abrotman> nvz: this is why you can't trust canada! |
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| 14:17.16 | pingouin | bmch: hello ;) |
| 14:17.16 | nvz | abrotman: its got me pissed cause I know I am all tied up and getting it from every angle.. I cant pay them cause that keeps me tied up and getting beat instead of them.. and I am the customer.. always right? right? I cant not pay them cause they are ruining my credit. and I cant cancel cause then I lose touch with all my friends which costs me just as much time and money cause I get by with help from them. |
| 14:17.19 | verne | dvs: thanks, but i really don't know how to partition the drive. |
| 14:17.25 | bmch | oué |
| 14:17.27 | abrotman | dvs: yes .. i know |
| 14:17.30 | pingouin | bmch: this is a chan on irc about debian |
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| 14:17.51 | bmch | et.... |
| 14:17.56 | pingouin | bmch: english here |
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| 14:18.02 | pingouin | bmch: just for example |
| 14:18.08 | bmch | okay |
| 14:18.32 | abrotman | nvz: cell phones totally suck that way .. i just made sure i got enough minutes i'd never go over |
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| 14:18.52 | nvz | abrotman: but if they cant see where I am comming from and earn my trust again, I'd rather be done with them so I can get my other credit accounts open and buy me a damn Mecedes Benz or something and put a fucksprint lisc plate on it |
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| 14:19.30 | abrotman | nvz: they sell MBs to yinzers? |
| 14:19.45 | nvz | abrotman: I am being charged too much, treated too poorly, and out right fucked for shitty intermittent service. |
| 14:19.53 | nvz | abrotman: if you got the money. |
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| 14:20.08 | nvz | abrotman: they dont drive shitty cars up here in Sweet Water. |
| 14:20.09 | abrotman | nvz: yeah .. cell companies don't seem to care |
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| 14:20.41 | jerry | hi room |
| 14:20.53 | nvz | abrotman: the dealers in town are what? Porche/Audi/BMW by the bridge.. lotus/bently/rolls by the library.. the volvo dealer moved out of town.. |
| 14:20.58 | jerry | can nay one help me open an rpm? |
| 14:21.09 | abrotman | man rpm ? |
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| 14:21.14 | abrotman | !room |
| 14:21.14 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 14:21.43 | jerry | i am trying to install americas army game help pls |
| 14:21.49 | pngwn | jerry, try the rpm room ;) |
| 14:22.10 | jerry | rpm room tkspngwn |
| 14:22.14 | JaVaSan | anyone here knows how can i keep my TomCat5 running every i reboot my machine? there is a script to do that... but i dont know how configure it, does anyone know? |
| 14:22.20 | nvz | abrotman: this is where the rich yinzers live.. well one of the places.. home of people like Mario whats-his-face that owns the penguins.. and Franco Harris..etc |
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| 14:22.44 | juice` | what package i could be missing if after base system install (just plain netinst debian testing) my screen doesnt work how it should? its messing up when i use programs with ncurses or when i run man (i have `less'). I mean, what package is responsible for screen configuration (i'm just talking about console of course) |
| 14:22.51 | abrotman | nvz: hey .. you're talking toe wrong person .. i work near Main Line philly .. |
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| 14:23.11 | nvz | abrotman: my aunt used to babysit for that penguins guy |
| 14:23.26 | abrotman | lemeiausx |
| 14:23.32 | abrotman | or whatever it is . i'm not french .. |
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| 14:23.37 | abrotman | dvs: spell his name! |
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| 14:23.42 | nvz | heh yeah I couldnt even try |
| 14:23.47 | dvs | abrotman: ??? |
| 14:23.57 | abrotman | dvs: the pengiuns guy .. you're french right? |
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| 14:24.10 | dvs | oh lemeiux? I don't know how to spell it either. |
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| 14:24.24 | abrotman | see .. ask the french! |
| 14:24.25 | dvs | abrotman: I'm not french! |
| 14:24.30 | abrotman | dvs: you're not? |
| 14:24.34 | dvs | abrotman: no |
| 14:24.44 | abrotman | you live in canada .. that's all french people! |
| 14:24.51 | dvs | abrotman: most people from "tarana" aren't french |
| 14:25.05 | abrotman | oh come on .. i know they're not speaking english |
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| 14:25.13 | nvz | we are from US, thats all ignorant people |
| 14:25.25 | dvs | abrotman: That's for sure! They speak any other language but french |
| 14:25.32 | nvz | they are incapable of understanding life outside their immediate surroundings |
| 14:25.58 | ggeecko | can someone suggest a snort debian howto |
| 14:26.02 | dvs | nvs: Like ordering hamburgers in India? ;-) |
| 14:26.11 | abrotman | !snort |
| 14:26.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, snort is at http://www.snort.org, or *SNORT!* |
| 14:26.16 | nvz | personally, I would never snort debian. |
| 14:26.21 | nvz | or anything for that matter |
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| 14:27.15 | nvz | even if you used one of them little cd shredders first it would still tear your nose up |
| 14:27.22 | abrotman | duh |
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| 14:27.54 | nvz | I think if debian were a drug it would be smoked |
| 14:28.04 | nvz | the logo is just a little smoke swirl |
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| 14:31.10 | LinuxNIT | any one know if i can change the port i use when i connect to freenode in xchat? |
| 14:31.19 | nvz | abrotman: anyhow I just finally realize this now.. but I already knew it was something else to be pissed off about.. my contract definatly says 11/28/05 and I got the phone after 8pm.. and my first bill was definatly 91.22 paid on time in full for the dates Oct 29-Nov28 with a full month's taxes and charges, plus screwing me out of my first month of free vision and pcs to pcs like a $15 value |
| 14:31.53 | abrotman | nvz: KILL! |
| 14:31.57 | nvz | abrotman: they definatly stuck it to me with that bill for 8 hours or less time when my contract says monthly all over it |
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| 14:32.07 | abrotman | LinuxNIT: edit the config |
| 14:32.20 | nvz | abrotman: I am still organizing my thoughts now that its the weekend and I dont have to work |
| 14:32.50 | LinuxNIT | ok but which secint is it under? |
| 14:32.59 | nvz | abrotman: starting with the contract and the first bill and going to present date everything that has pissed me off, not seemed right, or overall degraded my ability to trust this company with my money |
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| 14:33.48 | abrotman | nvz: so you're gonna call and bitch ? |
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| 14:34.29 | dvs | nvz: What is "this company"? |
| 14:34.31 | nvz | abrotman: yeah so they cant say I didnt like hell to resolve this fucking issue outside of court |
| 14:34.44 | abrotman | dvs: canada! |
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| 14:34.48 | nvz | dvs: sprint. they've been fucking me for 4 months now |
| 14:34.49 | abrotman | sue canada! |
| 14:35.00 | abrotman | nvz: that's a good lay |
| 14:35.25 | zorec | i have a local repo on my hd. how to update it with an online repo? i only need to keep those packages on my hd up to date. |
| 14:35.28 | dvs | nvz: Sprint. That's sounds like an appropriate name. Run away! Run away! |
| 14:35.37 | nvz | heh |
| 14:35.52 | nvz | yes take that advice everyone.. they will try and stick it to you. |
| 14:35.56 | xoz | zorec: apt-get update? |
| 14:35.56 | abrotman | zorec: apt-proxy ? .. not really sure what you're asking |
| 14:36.05 | nvz | if you have good lawyers get srpint.. they are waiting to be sued |
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| 14:37.17 | LinuxNIT | abrotman, would id be the port setting unde proxy server? |
| 14:37.37 | abrotman | i think |
| 14:37.41 | abrotman | you could also ask #xchat |
| 14:37.42 | dvs | you do? |
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| 14:38.01 | abrotman | dvs: i think canada is america's ski resort! :) |
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| 14:38.33 | LinuxNIT | k thanks |
| 14:38.45 | zorec | abrotman, my question is not clear? i want to keep my repo up to date using the online repo. everytime i do an 'apt-get update', it takes about 3MB of transfer. don't know what is going on there. |
| 14:39.05 | abrotman | zorec: it's gong to download 3MB and then install those packages |
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| 14:41.51 | zorec | abrotman, does update include installation of packages? |
| 14:41.51 | xoz | zorec: you should also do apt-get clean to free space. |
| 14:41.54 | roxy_ | Hi, trying to install nfs, client side. I have portmap running. Mounting give me error: mount: RPC: Program not registered |
| 14:42.06 | xoz | yep |
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| 14:42.30 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:42.31 | dvs | zorec: No, you then do "upgrade" |
| 14:42.32 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 14:42.32 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (i.e. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 14:42.36 | abrotman | xoz: not compiling! |
| 14:42.46 | abrotman | zorec: i'm sorry . i misread |
| 14:42.58 | abrotman | zorec: update grabs a list of packages .. upgrade will then upgrade/install them |
| 14:43.01 | xoz | abrotman: oh, im setting up a stereo system :) |
| 14:43.08 | abrotman | xoz: miniITX ? |
| 14:43.14 | awloelxf | why does my sound device have wrong permissions every time I start up? |
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| 14:43.30 | dvs | awloelxf: are you part of the audio group? |
| 14:43.40 | zorec | initially, all the packages that i install ends up in ../archives. now that i have a repo at ~/home/public, will it still be so? |
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| 14:44.03 | awloelxf | dvs, how do I get a list of groups and their members? |
| 14:44.07 | xoz | abrotman: denon but i just found out most of the things here sold in tokyo are no longer made in japan. it is made in china... but the sound is good so maybe it really doesnt matter. |
| 14:44.09 | awloelxf | or edit that list |
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| 14:44.40 | abrotman | xoz: i was going to build a miniITX to act as my stereo :) |
| 14:44.41 | dvs | awloelxf: "groups" tells you what groups your in and "adduser <user> <group>" will add that user to a group |
| 14:45.09 | abrotman | xoz: i tried to compile stormpkg .. no workie |
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| 14:45.32 | awloelxf | dvs how about all groups that exist? |
| 14:45.45 | roxy_ | dvs: does it do anything else than changing the /etc/group file? |
| 14:45.49 | dvs | awloelxf: I just look in the /etc/group file |
| 14:45.54 | xoz | abrotman: how much money to spare for that one? |
| 14:46.00 | awloelxf | ah k |
| 14:46.06 | dvs | roxy_: Pretty much |
| 14:46.09 | abrotman | xoz: for what .. an miniITX stereo ? |
| 14:46.20 | xoz | abrotman: yep |
| 14:46.31 | abrotman | xoz: dunno .. figure .. $500 or less ? |
| 14:46.40 | abrotman | xoz: logicsupply.com is a decent site |
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| 14:48.35 | awloelxf | dvs: so I guess I have to add myself to the "audio" group? |
| 14:48.43 | dvs | awloelxf: yes |
| 14:49.00 | xoz | abrotman: yeah. they have some cool miniITX there. $500 is not bad |
| 14:49.20 | abrotman | xoz: it's more a project .. because you know . i need another one :) |
| 14:49.42 | xoz | abrotman: they have also nanoITX. i dont know how small is this :) |
| 14:49.57 | abrotman | xoz: minitix should be small enough |
| 14:50.33 | asg | abrotman: then get some gumstix |
| 14:51.00 | abrotman | no way! |
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| 14:53.11 | kenboo | i can't remember the name of the package for kernel building |
| 14:53.25 | dvs | kenboo: kernel-package |
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| 14:53.29 | kenboo | thanks...hehe |
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| 14:53.58 | dvs | !info gcc-4.1 |
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| 14:55.08 | s1lent_al | hello , is it possible to recover info from a "clicking" HD ,that even the bios cant recognize using one of linux' tools?? |
| 14:55.28 | dvs | s1lent_al: It's dead, Jim |
| 14:55.31 | mortal | s1lent_al: hit it |
| 14:55.46 | wols_ | slept: freeze it then immediately try |
| 14:55.53 | s1lent_al | heh . ok thanx. |
| 14:55.57 | Eulex | s1lent_al, yes, if you pay big bucks to some hdd recovering company |
| 14:56.00 | wols_ | but linux itself can't do anything about a hdd that's not recognized anymore |
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| 14:57.19 | Sh4peshifter | I'm using a "Logitech Desktop Pro" keyboard, and it has a sound volume control wheel. In KDE I chose the correct layout, and now I get a nice bar displayed if I turn the wheel, but it actually has no influence on the output volume! The layout uses Kmix, but if I change the master volume, nothing happens, e.g. Juk plays the music at same volume, and also the test sound in KDE control panel always plays at 100%. What to do? |
| 14:57.51 | slept | wols_, ? |
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| 14:59.16 | abrotman | Sh4peshifter: it might be changing the wrong level ... |
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| 15:03.23 | Jay-R | hello |
| 15:03.39 | Jay-R | ive downloaded a package from the debian website |
| 15:03.45 | Jay-R | how do I install it |
| 15:03.46 | Jay-R | ?? |
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| 15:04.08 | Eulex | Jay-R, dpkg -i? |
| 15:04.09 | va | Jay-R: dpkg -i package.deb |
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| 15:04.32 | Jay-R | um dpkg cant seem to find my packed |
| 15:04.35 | Jay-R | um dpkg cant seem to find my package |
| 15:04.40 | ggeecko | I cant find this in apache?? cd: /var/www/localhost/htdocs: No such file or directory |
| 15:04.48 | Jay-R | it's in home/<username> |
| 15:05.07 | Jay-R | I tried apt-get install but no luck |
| 15:05.20 | va | Jay-R: so tell it where it is by specifying the full path to the file |
| 15:05.37 | Jay-R | whats the syntax for that? |
| 15:05.43 | va | Jay-R: you might want to try aptitude or synaptic instead of downloading manually |
| 15:05.59 | va | Jay-R: dpkg -i /home/user/package.deb |
| 15:06.21 | Jay-R | thanks ill try that |
| 15:06.47 | Jay-R | another question.. how can i log in as root using GDM |
| 15:06.54 | Jay-R | it doesnt allow me to |
| 15:07.00 | azeem | you need to edit gdm.conf |
| 15:07.27 | Jay-R | how do I do that> |
| 15:07.29 | Jay-R | how do I do that? |
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| 15:08.11 | ke6isf | What port does vnc run on? |
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| 15:08.50 | nvz | ke6isf: 5900 + display |
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| 15:09.00 | nvz | ke6isf: if I recall correctly |
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| 15:09.32 | Enr1X | good afternoon from Barcelona!!! |
| 15:09.35 | ke6isf | nvz: Likely right; the daemon's probably not running |
| 15:09.59 | nvz | ke6isf: like usually it starts on :1 when X is on :0 so that would be 5901 |
| 15:10.07 | ke6isf | nvz: Ah, OK. |
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| 15:10.32 | nvz | ke6isf: you only need to know that for firewalling and such.. on the client you just say :1 |
| 15:10.38 | ke6isf | nvz: Is the vnc-server package normally controlled through inetd, by any chance? |
| 15:10.43 | nvz | ke6isf: it already knows the vnc base port |
| 15:10.49 | nvz | ke6isf: heh, no of course not |
| 15:11.14 | nvz | ke6isf: you start the vnc server as whichever user you want to vnc as.. its basically like a small x server.. it can run without X even isntalled |
| 15:11.46 | Unity | Enr1X: good morning from New York City |
| 15:11.53 | Jay-R | how do I edit configuration files in TEXT MODE? |
| 15:11.57 | nvz | ke6isf: if it started from inetd you would always have a highly insecure planitext root hole in your system |
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| 15:12.12 | Jay-R | what program does debian have to do this? |
| 15:12.12 | ke6isf | Jay-R: emacs, vi, joe, jed, nano, pico if you can get it. |
| 15:12.41 | ke6isf | nvz: Good point. |
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| 15:21.05 | hid3 | Evening everyone. I have a router with 4 100 mbit network cards on it and a firewall script on it. Sometimes I see 'ksoftirqd' process in the `top` and it is using 20-30% of CPU power. At those moments, the router becomes laggy - ping to it increases to 50-100 ms. What can be wrong? (Otherside, the ping is ~1 ms) |
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| 15:24.52 | Eulex | got really silent in here |
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| 15:25.36 | raf256` | quiet.. |
| 15:25.41 | raf256` | scarry O_o |
| 15:25.44 | asg | Eulex: everyone went for a beer at once |
| 15:26.39 | Eulex | asg, probably :) |
| 15:26.45 | asg | Eulex: I know I did :) |
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| 15:27.34 | brosioz | how can i create a file large 100mb of random data with /dev/random ? |
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| 15:27.58 | asg | brosioz: with dd(1) |
| 15:28.21 | Ass0mbracao | hiall |
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| 15:28.26 | asg | hid3: you might try ##networking also. An option might also be to use TCP offload nics. |
| 15:28.40 | Ass0mbracao | my debian have a litle problem with wmaker |
| 15:28.45 | moi | hey, is there any cool tutorial which describes howto use that novell XGL xserver on debian? |
| 15:28.58 | Ass0mbracao | in menu of wmaker the programs cant open |
| 15:29.13 | Ass0mbracao | just show a message about x-terminal-emulator |
| 15:29.36 | asg | moi: maybe howtoforge.org has something or even debian-administration.org |
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| 15:30.11 | moi | asg, ok i'll have a look |
| 15:30.15 | DistroWatch | any weather display applet for gnome ? |
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| 15:30.45 | azeem | DistroWatch: there's on in gnome-applets |
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| 15:30.50 | asg | DistroWatch: or gdesklets |
| 15:30.55 | azeem | "Weather Report 2.8.2" |
| 15:31.03 | markuman | i try to install dsl on my usb pen. on the last step stand: syslinux /dev/sda1 http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb whats that? syslinux? there is no command called so.... ?? |
| 15:31.26 | DistroWatch | so i have to install gnome-applets |
| 15:31.44 | azeem | DistroWatch: if you have gnome, you should have gnome-applets |
| 15:31.46 | azeem | it's a core package |
| 15:31.55 | DistroWatch | gnome-applets yeah . installed already |
| 15:31.55 | azeem | DistroWatch: just add it to your panel |
| 15:32.08 | DistroWatch | hmm where is it ? |
| 15:32.29 | DistroWatch | done |
| 15:32.29 | azeem | right click on a panel->Add to Panel |
| 15:32.31 | asg | markuman: do you have the syslinux package installed? |
| 15:32.31 | azeem | ok |
| 15:33.14 | markuman | asg: i'm atm on arch linux and there is no syslinux package :-/ |
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| 15:33.47 | markuman | oh, i found something... |
| 15:33.50 | asg | markuman: try #archlinux and ask them perhaps |
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| 15:34.38 | bernardo | hey |
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| 15:35.40 | bernardo | hello |
| 15:35.40 | asg | !tell bernardo about ask |
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| 15:36.18 | bernardo | asg: do you know how i send a file to the channel with irssi? |
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| 15:36.43 | asg | bernardo: you don't send a file to the channel, you send it to people in the channel. /help dcc |
| 15:37.05 | bernardo | asg: oh...ok |
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| 15:37.56 | sebkron | does anyone know how to enable midi. I have a laptop running debian/sarge. I did modprobe snd-seq and pmidi -l returns: 64:0 SiS SI7018 MIDI SiS SI7018 MIDI |
| 15:37.57 | bernardo | asg: do you know anything about configuring X? |
| 15:38.03 | asg | bernardo: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 15:38.47 | sebkron | but aplaymidi -p 65:0 file.mid produces no sounds... :) |
| 15:39.13 | asg | sebkron: check your volume and mixer settings |
| 15:39.25 | K_O | hello, why when i copy file from fat32 partition to ext3, the destiny file is smaller than source file? |
| 15:39.26 | bernardo | asg: what is that? should i type it? |
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| 15:39.28 | sebkron | checked, everything is fine |
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| 15:39.41 | sebkron | asg: I can play mp3.. |
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| 15:40.02 | asg | bernardo: type it in your irc client '/msg dpkg set up x'. Our bot will give you some information |
| 15:40.06 | Drac|Laptop | I've just configured and compiled my own Debian kernel. What file do I put in /boot before running update-grub ? |
| 15:40.07 | asg | sebkron: oh, okay. |
| 15:40.19 | asg | Drac|Laptop: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 15:40.35 | Drac|Laptop | asg: I'm not using kpkg. |
| 15:40.45 | bernardo | asg: i did....nothing happened |
| 15:40.59 | asg | !tell bernardo about set up x |
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| 15:40.59 | cahoot | Drac|Laptop: unwise choice |
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| 15:41.23 | asg | Drac|Laptop: then follow the kernel README/INSTALL docs. |
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| 15:41.44 | theturtle | does anyone know where the keymaps are usually located at? |
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| 15:42.13 | Drac|Laptop | cahoot: kpkg is for people who don't know what they're doing. I know how to configure and compile a kernel. I've just forgotten which file goes where. |
| 15:42.20 | madroach | K_O: How did you determine the file sizes? |
| 15:42.28 | wols_ | Drac|Laptop: you don't know shit |
| 15:42.32 | cahoot | Drac|Laptop: unwise judgement ;) |
| 15:42.35 | asg | theturtle: dpkg -L console-data |
| 15:42.47 | K_O | madroach: du -h |
| 15:42.56 | Drac|Laptop | wols_: I ran Gentoo. |
| 15:43.04 | DistroWatch | i just installed gdesklet and it doenst start :( |
| 15:43.07 | wols_ | lol. thank you for proving my point |
| 15:43.16 | wols_ | !gentoo |
| 15:43.16 | dpkg | i heard gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 15:43.18 | theturtle | asg - quick other stupid question, any quick way to tell which one i'm using |
| 15:43.20 | cahoot | Drac|Laptop: kpkg isn't anything linke genkernel FYI |
| 15:43.20 | bernardo | can somebody help me out? |
| 15:43.39 | Drac|Laptop | cahoot: Well, can kpkg use my created .config file? |
| 15:43.47 | wols_ | Drac|Laptop: yes |
| 15:43.48 | cahoot | Drac|Laptop: yes |
| 15:43.52 | asg | theturtle: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 15:43.55 | Drac|Laptop | Okay. I'll look into it. |
| 15:44.06 | cahoot | Drac|Laptop: wise choice |
| 15:44.06 | theturtle | kk |
| 15:44.34 | wols_ | Drac|Laptop: short vresion is, it takes a .config file and turns it into a proper debian package of a kernel |
| 15:44.37 | madroach | K_O: I think du only tries to estimate the space uses by the file. The real file size can be determines with ls -l or ls -lh |
| 15:44.40 | bernardo | I'm having trouble to configure my X... |
| 15:44.54 | theturtle | hrm |
| 15:45.11 | theturtle | asg - if i'm typing something say in xchat here, thats technically using an x keyboard map |
| 15:45.17 | theturtle | not a console one right |
| 15:45.24 | asg | theturtle: yes |
| 15:45.25 | ootput | is there a way for a user to have his own alternative to /etc/hosts? |
| 15:45.31 | theturtle | are those located somewhere else |
| 15:45.35 | madroach | K_O: Files always use a multiple of the filesystem block size to be stored. Therefore they need different space on different filesystems. |
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| 15:46.02 | asg | ootput: no, I don't think so. What are you trying to do that requires such functionality? |
| 15:46.09 | wols_ | ootput: only if you fudge with LD_PRELOAD and have your own resolver instead of the system wide one |
| 15:46.11 | bernardo | does anybody know how to configure X? |
| 15:46.25 | cahoot | bernardo: dkpg does |
| 15:46.26 | Drac|Laptop | wols_: Okay, well... "Firefox can't find the file at /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz." <--- This is a problem. |
| 15:46.34 | K_O | madroach: thanks, ls confirm your words :) |
| 15:46.43 | Drac|Laptop | Er... |
| 15:46.44 | Drac|Laptop | Whoa.. |
| 15:46.48 | Drac|Laptop | Ignore that. ._. |
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| 15:46.58 | Drac|Laptop | wols_: I wasn't paying attention to the file address..gyah! |
| 15:47.09 | Drac|Laptop | wols_: Please ignore that moment of idiocy. |
| 15:47.18 | wols_ | no problem |
| 15:47.23 | asg | wols_: intereseting approach, I forgot about that. |
| 15:47.23 | Drac|Laptop | ._. |
| 15:47.36 | wols_ | asg: it's hideous but it would work :) |
| 15:47.46 | asg | wols_: yeah, same way that libtrash is implemented. |
| 15:48.00 | ootput | asg,wols_: ssh oddities: error messages that occasionally pop up during an ssh session at the console. I can't remember the exact message, so I'll have to wait until it appears. |
| 15:48.10 | asg | ootput: ah, okay |
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| 15:49.46 | ootput | apparently i have to export DISPLAY on the remote server to be `hostname`:0.0 |
| 15:49.54 | asg | ootput: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 15:49.58 | ootput | but that's not helping |
| 15:50.06 | ootput | asg: ok |
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| 15:50.41 | bernardo | where is deadcat? |
| 15:50.52 | ootput | asg: beautiful. that may do the trick |
| 15:50.53 | azeem | !seen deadcat |
| 15:50.54 | dpkg | deadcat is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 258 messages. Is idling for 5h 34m 3s |
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| 15:51.33 | blondie | !seen Ferret |
| 15:51.34 | dpkg | ferret is currently on #debian |
| 15:51.40 | blondie | and...? |
| 15:51.54 | azeem | blondie: somebody asked about deadcat, what is your point? |
| 15:52.07 | blondie | he's my bf :| |
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| 15:52.36 | bernardo | azeem: i did...he was helping me out few hours ago when my connection broke |
| 15:52.44 | roxy_ | what is the easiest way to drop all iptable rules ? |
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| 15:54.21 | asg | roxy_: iptables -F |
| 15:54.32 | asg | roxy_: if you have nat rules, you'll need iptables -t nat -F also |
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| 15:54.37 | bernardo | dpkg set up x |
| 15:54.37 | dpkg | i guess set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 15:54.56 | asg | roxy_: presuming 'drop' in this instance means 'remove' |
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| 15:56.45 | PlusOne | is there any other solution as chroot on a 64Bit Debian to run a 32 Bit Programm or anyone got an tutorial for me ? |
| 15:57.05 | resiak | !amd64 |
| 15:57.05 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 15:57.05 | asg | PlusOne: try #debian-amd64, they will know |
| 15:57.07 | roxy_ | asg: yes it is, thanks |
| 15:57.09 | ootput | asg,wols_: xset: unable to open display ":0" |
| 15:57.12 | bernardo | dpkg set up x |
| 15:57.12 | dpkg | somebody said set up x was First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 15:57.14 | theturtle | hrmm |
| 15:57.15 | PlusOne | thanks |
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| 15:57.24 | ootput | asg: I'm still getting the errors :( |
| 15:57.29 | theturtle | how can i tell what keymap xmodmap is using :\ |
| 15:57.34 | ootput | despite following dpkg's suggestions |
| 15:57.38 | asg | ootput: hmmm, do you have xauth installed on both systems? |
| 15:57.41 | Drac|Laptop | I can't find a "kpkg" package in the main testing repository. Is it part of a metapackage or something? |
| 15:57.42 | ootput | asg: yep |
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| 15:58.06 | asg | ootput: are you using ssh -X (the default may be to not use XForwarding for security reasons) |
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| 15:58.13 | ootput | asg: yep |
| 15:58.22 | ootput | asg: I set it up again in ~/.ssh/config |
| 15:58.50 | asg | ootput: okay. Just for consistency, try manually specifing 'ssh -X me@foo xterm' |
| 15:59.13 | ootput | asg: that'd fail, won't it? |
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| 15:59.30 | asg | ootput: it should succeed (if you have xterm on the remote) |
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| 16:00.05 | ootput | asg: but the odd thing is that i'm not even dealing with X |
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| 16:00.13 | ootput | asg: strictly console work |
| 16:00.21 | asg | ootput: ooooh |
| 16:00.28 | ootput | something screwy |
| 16:00.29 | roxy_ | asg: I did iptables -F, but still get permission denied to telnet into it. Anything I could have forgotten? |
| 16:00.47 | POVaddct | roxy_: check if inetd is running |
| 16:00.52 | asg | roxy_: does 'iptables -L' show any rules? |
| 16:00.53 | wols_ | telnet? |
| 16:01.10 | asg | roxy_: telnetd isn't installed by default iirc |
| 16:01.10 | roxy_ | asg: no |
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| 16:01.18 | Marquel | morning. |
| 16:01.19 | POVaddct | roxy_: in.telnetd is usually started by inted |
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| 16:01.24 | POVaddct | inetd even |
| 16:01.28 | wols_ | roxy_: what is default policy? |
| 16:01.31 | Marquel | someone here with a little experience w/ pure-ftpd? |
| 16:01.41 | roxy_ | wols_: accept |
| 16:01.41 | wols_ | !someone |
| 16:01.41 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 16:02.01 | Marquel | k. |
| 16:02.08 | wols_ | roxy_: have you checked that something is listening on port 23? |
| 16:02.11 | roxy_ | asg, POVaddct : i'll look into telnetd |
| 16:02.20 | roxy_ | wols_: going to |
| 16:02.30 | Marquel | i have pure-ftp. i want to use it standalone but it seems dpkg always configures it to use with inetd. |
| 16:02.35 | Marquel | how to change that? |
| 16:02.44 | asg | Marquel: check /etc/default/<pkg> |
| 16:03.14 | jayr168 | guys |
| 16:03.23 | asg | some of us are girls and cats |
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| 16:03.30 | jayr168 | ive succesfully installed the nvidia drivers YAHOOO!! |
| 16:03.35 | jayr168 | now |
| 16:03.43 | ke6isf | !tell jayr168 -about enter |
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| 16:03.57 | ke6isf | ...meow. |
| 16:03.59 | Drac|Laptop | I can't find a "kpkg" package in the main testing repository. Is it part of a metapackage or something? |
| 16:04.24 | ke6isf | Drac|Laptop: Well, what are you trying to do? |
| 16:04.24 | asg | Drac|Laptop: it's called kernel-package |
| 16:04.29 | ke6isf | ...never mind. |
| 16:04.30 | wols_ | daxxar: kernel-package |
| 16:04.48 | jayr168 | how do I install a .tr.gz fil |
| 16:04.51 | ke6isf | Drac|Laptop: Please don't privmsg me. |
| 16:04.55 | jayr168 | how do I install a .tr.gz file? |
| 16:04.56 | asg | jayr168: /msg dpkg tar |
| 16:05.35 | ke6isf | jayr168: you mean a .tar.gz file? |
| 16:05.53 | jayr168 | yah a .tar.gz file |
| 16:06.01 | jayr168 | how do I install that? |
| 16:06.19 | ke6isf | jayr168: What asg said. Read the directions, open up the package, and read the documentation in the file to learn how to install it. |
| 16:06.30 | roxy_ | I nmap the server, I got an open port for nfs. but from the client I got Permission denied. |
| 16:06.34 | ke6isf | jayr168: That said, is there a reason you're favoring a tarball over apt-get? |
| 16:07.10 | ke6isf | Drac|Laptop: And for what it's worth, yes. |
| 16:07.26 | ootput | asg: it doesn't seem to be interrupting my work (besides the visual intrusions,) so I wonder if I'm able to redirect it to null |
| 16:07.32 | jayr168 | I want to install bitchx irc |
| 16:07.40 | ootput | asg: i have a feeling it's more of a local problem than a remote one |
| 16:07.44 | asg | jayr168: apt-get install bitchx |
| 16:07.44 | ke6isf | jayr168: OK, 'apt-get install bitchx'. |
| 16:07.53 | POVaddct | jayr168: consider using irssi instead |
| 16:07.57 | ke6isf | jayr168: What version of Debian are you using? |
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| 16:08.03 | asg | ootput: could be. You might try a debug (/msg dpkg debug ssh) |
| 16:08.07 | jayr168 | 3.1 "sarge" |
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| 16:08.19 | ootput | asg: useful toy that dpkg is, isn't he/she? ;) |
| 16:08.25 | ke6isf | !useful |
| 16:08.33 | asg | ootput: or /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 16:08.33 | ke6isf | ...somebody needs to create that factoid. =^_^+ |
| 16:08.46 | ke6isf | !coffee ke6isf |
| 16:08.47 | s1lent_al | hi , is xorg available from sarge's repositories? |
| 16:08.52 | ke6isf | !xorg sarge |
| 16:08.53 | dpkg | somebody said xorg sarge was now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 16:08.57 | asg | ootput: it's more of a kernelization of #debian FAQs from over the years. |
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| 16:09.14 | ke6isf | ...wow, nicely condensed, that one. |
| 16:09.15 | jayr168 | it says package not found |
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| 16:09.30 | asg | jayr168: what debian version are you using? |
| 16:09.41 | s1lent_al | ke6isf .thanx |
| 16:09.46 | ke6isf | jayr168: As dpkg suggests, xorg is not native to sarge, you have to use a backport. See the URL. Is there a reason you favor xorg over xfree? |
| 16:09.48 | jayr168 | 3.1 |
| 16:09.54 | asg | !info bitchx sarge |
| 16:09.55 | jayr168 | version 3.1 "sarge" |
| 16:10.02 | dpkg | bitchx: (Advanced Internet Relay Chat client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1494 kB, Installed size: 6512 kB |
| 16:10.10 | asg | jayr168: it's there ^^ |
| 16:10.26 | jayr168 | what do I do? |
| 16:10.27 | asg | jayr168: what does 'apt-cache policy bitchx' say? |
| 16:10.37 | ke6isf | jayr168: You use apt-get. |
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| 16:11.02 | s1lent_al | ke6isf, there isnt a specific reason.. just a bad habbit :P |
| 16:11.10 | jayr168 | it says unable to locate |
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| 16:11.18 | asg | jayr168: paste the error please |
| 16:11.24 | ke6isf | jayr168: Figure this, there aren't many packages taht aren't in the apt repos. There are only two I have to download tarballs for - sylpheed 2, which isn't in Sarge (and has to be compiled), and sclj, which isn't even in the tree. |
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| 16:11.41 | ke6isf | jayr168: Do me a flavor, join #flood and paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:12.02 | Marquel | asg: thx. worked. another question: is there a way to give an init-script additional parameters without editing too many files too much? |
| 16:12.04 | asg | ke6isf: bitchx is in sarge and sid. He might be using etch or he might be using a 'based on debian' |
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| 16:12.17 | asg | Marquel: is it a standard one or a custom one? |
| 16:12.22 | bernardo | asg: i followed the dpkg instructions and i still cant figure out what is wrong... |
| 16:12.26 | prp | hello, how can i find out witch pkg created a folder ? |
| 16:12.36 | ke6isf | asg: He notes Sarge outright, let's see what his sources say. |
| 16:12.47 | ke6isf | jayr168: That's it? |
| 16:12.48 | Marquel | asg: standard init-script, delivered with pure-ftp in this case. |
| 16:12.49 | jayr168 | i already pasted it |
| 16:13.04 | ke6isf | jayr168: You need to run apt-setup. |
| 16:13.08 | asg | Marquel: either way /etc/init.d/skeleton give an example. Extra params can be added by creating more case options. |
| 16:13.15 | asg | *gives |
| 16:13.27 | jayr168 | after apt-setup? |
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| 16:13.44 | ke6isf | jayr168: After apt-setup, then you can install whatever you want. |
| 16:13.46 | asg | bernardo: what error are you getting. |
| 16:13.52 | bernardo | dpkg send file |
| 16:13.57 | ke6isf | jayr168: We'll need to comment out those cdrom lines though. |
| 16:14.08 | bernardo | dpkg irssi |
| 16:14.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package |
| 16:14.22 | Marquel | asg: i mean like adding -i to the parameters supplied to a daemon called by start(). |
| 16:14.23 | jayr168 | wat does the non-free line do? |
| 16:14.28 | ke6isf | !tell bernardo -about msg the bot |
| 16:14.50 | bernardo | dpkg -about irssi |
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| 16:15.00 | ke6isf | bernardo: Please msg the bot. |
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| 16:15.20 | ke6isf | nixxie: ...what are the symptoms? |
| 16:15.30 | asg | Marquel: oh, look for a $PARAMS or $OPTS variable and add to that. Otherwise, just append them after the 'exec $DAEMON' part |
| 16:15.41 | nixxie | ke6isf: its down! |
| 16:15.42 | bernardo | tem alguém aqui que manja de debian mesmo?? |
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| 16:16.00 | asg | !br |
| 16:16.00 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:16.10 | Marquel | asg: k, thx. |
| 16:16.29 | asg | Marquel: you're welcome |
| 16:16.37 | ke6isf | nixxie: I can reach it just fine. |
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| 16:17.16 | prp | hello, how can i find out witch pkg created a folder ? (i can't find it on http://packages.debian.org |
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| 16:17.31 | azeem | prp: then it might get created in the maintainer scripts |
| 16:17.33 | dino4k | prp: apt-file imho |
| 16:17.37 | jayr168 | wat does the non-free line do? |
| 16:17.41 | azeem | prp: you could search through /var/lib/dpkg/info/* |
| 16:17.45 | jayr168 | is there a firefox for linux? |
| 16:17.49 | valdyn | prp: which folder |
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| 16:17.50 | azeem | jayr168: it adds the non-free repository |
| 16:17.51 | asg | jayr168: yes |
| 16:17.52 | ke6isf | jayr168: ...um, yes. |
| 16:18.22 | prp | valdyn: /var/archives, there are backups in that folder.. full backups.. but can't find the pkg that makes them |
| 16:18.35 | nixxie | googles dns servers arent reachable for me somehow |
| 16:18.38 | valdyn | prp: dpkg -S /var/archives |
| 16:18.38 | Drac|Laptop | ke6isf: Sorry. I figured it was a fairly private subject to discuss. There's a channel dedicated to such, though. I'm sure you can find it if you're interested. |
| 16:18.44 | jayr168 | ic |
| 16:18.56 | jayr168 | where can I get sound drivers for linux? |
| 16:18.59 | prp | valdyn: dpkg: /var/archives not found. |
| 16:19.05 | azeem | jayr168: in the kernel |
| 16:19.06 | jayr168 | i have a cmedia azalia |
| 16:19.07 | wols_ | jayr168: your kernel already comes with them |
| 16:19.08 | ke6isf | jayr168: /msg dpkg alsa |
| 16:19.20 | valdyn | prp: no package creates this folder ) |
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| 16:19.41 | valdyn | prp: some cron job might though |
| 16:19.42 | prp | valdyn: there where no programs installed without apt-get |
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| 16:19.58 | prp | valdyn: nothing in crontab about it |
| 16:20.10 | valdyn | prp: /etc/cron.d/* |
| 16:20.22 | eeejay | how do i use a deb-src that is not my distro |
| 16:20.38 | eeejay | i.e. how do i pull dapper sources when i am in breezy |
| 16:20.39 | cwebber | I was going to put an update upon this page http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=328191 |
| 16:20.44 | asg | eeejay: #ubuntu |
| 16:20.52 | prp | valdyn: nothing in there.. except php4 |
| 16:20.55 | cwebber | but it seems impossible, I am guessing because this is now closed? |
| 16:20.59 | ke6isf | eeejay: Ask in #ubuntu please. |
| 16:21.05 | dukebody | hello any repos where i could find gaim2beta? |
| 16:21.09 | asg | cwebber: you can re-open the bug if you feel there is more to add or the issue wasn't fixed |
| 16:21.20 | eeejay | ok, thanks |
| 16:21.34 | valdyn | prp: /etc/cron.daily,weekly etc |
| 16:21.59 | roxy_ | I tried all the different setting to export via nfs a directory, and can't do it. I always get permission denied. In /etc/exports I have got: /home 192.168.x.x(rw,insecure) with x.x being the adress of the client. Where should I start to debug? |
| 16:22.00 | jayr168 | debian doesnt seem to detect my SATA drives |
| 16:22.06 | ke6isf | !sata |
| 16:22.06 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
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| 16:22.11 | jayr168 | how do I workaround that? |
| 16:22.19 | dukebody | !gaim |
| 16:22.19 | dpkg | it has been said that gaim is an AIM clone for UN*X (http://gaim.sf.net/). It's graphical (it uses Gtk+), and uses the TIK/TOC protocol as well as Oscar. If gaim can't sign on, try the cvs version - http://gaim.sf.net/cvs.shtml, or really meant for AIM, but now with plugins supports ICQ, MSN and Yahoo!, or to get the cvs version, add "deb http://people.debian.org/~robot101/gaim unstable cvs" to your sources.list. a shit irc client Gaim an I.M. |
| 16:22.20 | valdyn | prp: you certainly actively installed whatever program / package is creating that folder ( or whoever maintains that box ) |
| 16:22.28 | dukebody | nice |
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| 16:22.40 | Ass0mbracao | hi all |
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| 16:22.42 | Ass0mbracao | i need a help |
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| 16:22.49 | Ass0mbracao | my window maker is broken |
| 16:22.51 | ke6isf | !tell Ass0mbracao -about ask |
| 16:23.13 | dino4k | dukebody: i doenst found a deb for gaim2 i compiled it my own |
| 16:23.17 | prp | valdyn: the ex-admin said it only installed pkgs with apt-get... i asked him 5 times.. either he is an idiot or there is somethign wrong here.. |
| 16:23.21 | cwebber | asg: maybe I am just unfamiliar with this bug tracking software, but I can't see any place to put an update |
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| 16:23.53 | Ass0mbracao | Of the menu of my window maker dont open the programs |
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| 16:24.11 | valdyn | prp: umm, i can just 'mkdir /var/archives', as can he, this doesnt have got to have anything to do with packages installed directly |
| 16:24.12 | Ass0mbracao | just show this message |
| 16:24.20 | ke6isf | !tell Ass0mbracao -about enter |
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| 16:25.18 | prp | valdyn: i know that.. but he said it must be a backup program he tried to installed.. bad thing he dosen't know wich of them |
| 16:25.24 | cwebber | asg, ah, nm |
| 16:25.44 | prp | valdyn: i deleted the folder yesterday.. now it's here again.. |
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| 16:26.09 | valdyn | prp: assuming the box was not restarted, that is a cronjob... |
| 16:26.15 | Ass0mbracao | ke6isf, how i go talk about my problem? |
| 16:26.20 | prp | valdyn: yes.. but nothing in cron.* |
| 16:26.26 | ke6isf | !tell Ass0mbracao -about ask |
| 16:26.31 | valdyn | prp: oh, or a permanently running daemon |
| 16:26.31 | prp | valdyn: no restart in 15 days |
| 16:26.41 | valdyn | prp: grep -R archives /etc |
| 16:26.44 | Ass0mbracao | ke6isf, i see i see |
| 16:26.53 | Ass0mbracao | but i need do my ask |
| 16:27.27 | prp | valdyn: FINALY... pkg backup-manager created the folder... |
| 16:27.36 | Ass0mbracao | When i try open a program in my wmaker this msg is show Could not execute command: x-terminal-emulator -T "Bash" -e sh -c "/bin/bash --login" |
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| 16:28.19 | prp | valdyn: but ... i purged the pkg and it still has /var/arhives and /etc/backup-manager.conf |
| 16:29.30 | valdyn | prp: /var/archives is not part of the package, or a configuration of that package, so its not removed naturally |
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| 16:29.34 | Ass0mbracao | hello? |
| 16:29.49 | prp | valdyn: and the conf file ? |
| 16:29.51 | valdyn | prp: or where would this lead of removing a backup tool would delete backups |
| 16:29.56 | valdyn | s/of/if/ |
| 16:30.05 | valdyn | prp: i dont know about that config file |
| 16:30.15 | valdyn | prp: maybe its created by the user |
| 16:30.21 | valdyn | prp: maybe its created by a user/admin |
| 16:30.53 | Ass0mbracao | When i try open a program in my wmaker this msg is show Could not execute command: x-terminal-emulator -T "Bash" -e sh -c "/bin/bash --login" |
| 16:30.57 | prp | valdyn: i will just rm it.. hopefully it goes away |
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| 16:32.17 | datr1x | yes I'm in now |
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| 16:33.19 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:33.20 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:33.22 | ke6isf | !tell Ass0mbracao -about repeat |
| 16:33.40 | juice` | is there any tool to download specified debian packages to specified directory for Microsoft Windows ? like apt-get for windows, just for downloading of course :) jigdo seems to be a tool only to create iso images |
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| 16:34.22 | juice` | (i have a specific reason to download packages under windows, not until debian itself) |
| 16:35.05 | wols_ | there isn't |
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| 16:37.47 | CAiRO- | what's better, scanlogd or scandetd? |
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| 16:39.30 | vin` | juice`: download what you need from packages.debian.org, getting all the dependencies might be tedious, install them with dpkg -i |
| 16:40.13 | Shadowcat | you know |
| 16:40.18 | phatfish | how do you do a "pretend" apt-get install. If you want to check if a package is already installed, or see dependencies that it might need? |
| 16:40.36 | Shadowcat | phatfish: man aptitude |
| 16:40.41 | Shadowcat | there's a switch in there somewhere |
| 16:40.49 | phatfish | k :) |
| 16:40.49 | Eulex | phatfish, apt-cache show pkgname, apt-cache policy pkgname |
| 16:40.51 | Flajjer | Hey ya all :) I about to get a remote desktop so I can reach my computer when I'm not home, what is the best remote desktop server for Debian you think? |
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| 16:41.01 | phatfish | thanks Eulex |
| 16:41.18 | vin` | Flajjer: ssh |
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| 16:41.35 | Shadowcat | !best |
| 16:41.35 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 16:42.48 | Flajjer | vin: thnx - dbkg: I simply want to be able to administer my computer when I not at home, I will have a webserver on it as well |
| 16:43.31 | Drac|Laptop | I just created a kernel package. Now, the binary kernel created from the traditional method was around 3MB, and the created kernel from make-kpkg is even smaller. This is indication enough that it used the .config correctly, right? A default config'd kernel would be much larger, yes? |
| 16:43.50 | Drac|Laptop | This is very important, because I need math emulation for this old 486 I'm trying to put it on. |
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| 16:44.40 | ke6isf | Drac|Laptop: Well, there's my answer to "wayc". =^_^= |
| 16:44.48 | Marquel | okay, i'm back with another problem: i have configured pure-ftp to use mysql-authentication but it fails with "(pam_unix) authentication failure". something i forgot? |
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| 16:45.55 | ke6isf | Drac|Laptop: Keeping in mind my lack of experience in compiling kernels, the kernel images themselves aren't terribly large - so it goes without saying that a custom kernel is indeed going to be smaller, since you're stripping out options that are presumably not necessary. |
| 16:45.58 | vin` | Drac|Laptop: unchecked a whole lot of options? |
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| 16:46.22 | Drac|Laptop | vin`: Naturally. Yes. |
| 16:46.51 | Drac|Laptop | I looked at some of the options that didn't get eaten by the scroll buffer. They match my custom selection. It's fine. |
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| 16:48.25 | Aprii | /who nekostar |
| 16:48.26 | vin` | Drac|Laptop: booting it is the only good test. |
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| 16:49.25 | Nexus | Ok. Recently someone showed me how to run apt-get upgrade without upgrading certain packages. But now I can't remember how I did it or how to undo it. Anyone willing to remind me? |
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| 16:50.00 | nekostar | aprii |
| 16:50.03 | nekostar | wtf |
| 16:50.09 | vin` | Drac|Laptop: make-kpkg would use the .config in the /kernel/source tree, no need to compare options from the scrolling screen. ;P |
| 16:51.20 | nekostar | ~_~ |
| 16:51.21 | apt | well, _~ is sour face |
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| 16:51.31 | nekostar | eh |
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| 16:51.33 | nekostar | ~_~ |
| 16:51.34 | apt | somebody said _~ was sour face |
| 16:51.43 | nekostar | ~sources |
| 16:51.44 | apt | I guess you mean the handhelds sources, see http://handhelds.org/sources.html |
| 16:51.47 | nekostar | ooooooooooooooooo |
| 16:51.52 | nekostar | another bot! |
| 16:51.53 | ke6isf | !tell nekostar -about msg the bot |
| 16:52.15 | nekostar | yeah |
| 16:52.20 | jayr168 | whats Parser perl module is required for intltool |
| 16:52.22 | ke6isf | ...sorry |
| 16:52.26 | nekostar | ~tell ke6isf -about the bot |
| 16:52.28 | nekostar | XD |
| 16:52.34 | jayr168 | i tried to ./configure somethin |
| 16:52.40 | ke6isf | nekostar: ...I don't think that factoid exists for that bot. |
| 16:52.43 | jayr168 | and this comes up Parser perl module is required for intltool |
| 16:52.50 | ke6isf | !wayc jayr168 |
| 16:52.50 | dpkg | jayr168: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 16:52.54 | nekostar | it doesnt.. sorry had to try :) |
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| 16:53.02 | ke6isf | nekostar: Heh =^_^= |
| 16:53.16 | vin` | Nexus: put a package on 'hold', aptitude hold foo or hit 'h' in the UI |
| 16:53.17 | jayr168 | i want to install gDesklets |
| 16:53.27 | ke6isf | jayr168: Did you run apt-setup yet? |
| 16:53.33 | jayr168 | i think theres no packaged for that |
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| 16:53.37 | nekostar | i just found out that when i installed flash for mozilla it also works for epiphany~!!~ hows that for handy |
| 16:53.41 | ke6isf | !info gdesklets sarge |
| 16:53.43 | dpkg | gdesklets: (an advanced architecture for desktop applets), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.33.1-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 383 kB, Installed size: 2044 kB |
| 16:53.50 | user__ | hi i have old nvidia card whihc is not supported by recent drivers, i have to use 7174 driver or something, but the lastest in testing is 81xx, is there any way to install old drivers ? |
| 16:53.55 | ke6isf | jayr168: There you go. |
| 16:53.57 | user__ | i mean in debian way, prefearble with |
| 16:53.59 | user__ | apt-get |
| 16:54.01 | ke6isf | !tell jayr168 -about search |
| 16:54.11 | ke6isf | !tell user__ -about nvidia |
| 16:54.11 | nekostar | user__, look into legacy drivers |
| 16:54.19 | jayr168 | how do I install gdesklets using apt get? |
| 16:54.25 | noname | hi @ll |
| 16:54.31 | nekostar | apt-get install gdesklets |
| 16:54.34 | vin` | !agi gdesklets |
| 16:54.35 | dpkg | aptitude install gdesklets |
| 16:54.38 | nekostar | iirc |
| 16:54.39 | ke6isf | jayr168: ...you really are new. =^_^= What nekostar said. |
| 16:54.43 | noname | Ive a tricky xfs mount problem anyone want help me? |
| 16:54.48 | user__ | ke6isf, why did you spam pe with this msg? i didn't mentoin anything about nvidia-installer |
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| 16:54.57 | ke6isf | user__: sorry, mistake. |
| 16:55.12 | jayr168 | umm guys gdesklets is not found |
| 16:55.19 | nekostar | user__, if you want the latest drivers they may not support some old cards |
| 16:55.25 | jayr168 | i tried apt-cache search gdesklets |
| 16:55.26 | ke6isf | jayr168: You haven't run apt-setup yet, have you? |
| 16:55.32 | nekostar | if you enable all your groupings in apt/sources.list you can get what u need |
| 16:55.36 | jayr168 | theres nothin there |
| 16:55.42 | nekostar | main contrib non-free |
| 16:55.45 | jayr168 | yah ive run apt-set up |
| 16:55.49 | nekostar | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:55.59 | user__ | okay thanks, now i see there are legacy drivers |
| 16:56.02 | ke6isf | jayr168: ...paste your sources.list into #flood please. |
| 16:56.02 | nekostar | on the end of each line thats in there add:: "contrib non-free |
| 16:56.02 | nekostar | jayr168 yah ive run apt-set up" |
| 16:56.09 | wols_ | jayr168: apt-get update;apt-cache search gdesklet |
| 16:56.14 | Nexus | Ok. Recently someone showed me how to run apt-get upgrade without upgrading certain packages. But now I can't remember how I did it or how to undo it. Anyone willing to remind me? |
| 16:56.17 | nekostar | on the end of each line thats in there add:: " contrib non-free " <<-- |
| 16:56.23 | wols_ | !hold |
| 16:56.23 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 16:56.24 | dli | which usb wireless card is supported? |
| 16:56.35 | noname | ANYONE can help me with an moutn ext3 problem ? |
| 16:56.38 | xoz | !pinning |
| 16:56.39 | Nexus | wols_, Perfect. Thank you. |
| 16:56.40 | ke6isf | nekostar: gdesklets is in main. |
| 16:56.41 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 16:56.42 | dpkg | from memory, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
| 16:56.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:56.44 | ke6isf | !anyone |
| 16:56.55 | nekostar | ke6isf, i was talking to user__ |
| 16:57.03 | nekostar | i believe nvidia is in non-free ?? |
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| 16:57.04 | ke6isf | nekostar: ....oh, sorry. |
| 16:57.06 | nekostar | :) |
| 16:57.17 | nekostar | i should tag my lines more... |
| 16:57.24 | user__ | yes it is in non-free |
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| 16:58.01 | nekostar | have you tried taking out whatever you got from nvidia and installing the legacy drivers from apt user__ ? |
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| 16:58.11 | ke6isf | s/*/& |
| 16:58.13 | nekostar | ive personally only had problems when compiling stuff |
| 16:58.13 | karl-heinz | DCC SEND ?string? 0 0 0 |
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| 16:58.28 | nekostar | <<---- fails at compiling somehow.. |
| 16:58.34 | xoz | Nexus: /msg dpkg pinning or apt_preferences |
| 16:58.35 | Shadowcat | !ops karl-heinz is exploiting users |
| 16:58.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: karl-heinz is exploiting users |
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| 16:59.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 16:59.10 | azeem | blah |
| 16:59.14 | noname | NAYONE can help me with an root filesystem wich is going ro automatic after 30 min |
| 16:59.20 | Nexus | xoz, It was actually putting a package on hold, now I"m trying to figure out how to remove the hold. |
| 16:59.20 | Shadowcat | azeem: +b him anyway |
| 16:59.23 | Shadowcat | he'll be back |
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| 16:59.57 | azeem | will that do? |
| 16:59.58 | xoz | Nexus: dpkg --set-selections/get-selections |
| 17:00.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 17:00.12 | Shadowcat | I guess |
| 17:00.16 | nekostar | what kinda exploit is that anyway |
| 17:00.22 | Shadowcat | netgear router exploit |
| 17:00.25 | wols_ | azeem: no |
| 17:00.26 | jayr168 | ive paste my sources.list in #flood |
| 17:00.34 | Shadowcat | so we have 10 people in here using netgear |
| 17:00.36 | nekostar | huh |
| 17:01.10 | wols_ | azeem: his IP hands out dynamic IPs, you only blocked the dynamic part |
| 17:01.12 | jayr168 | apt-get update;apt-cache search gdesklet ---- what does this do? |
| 17:01.14 | nekostar | yet another reason to not go netgear lol |
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| 17:01.36 | xoz | Nexus: or pinning? |
| 17:01.43 | azeem | mcs2k doesn't look any less dynamic to me |
| 17:01.46 | azeem | but ok |
| 17:01.50 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 17:01.53 | nekostar | jayr168, |
| 17:01.55 | nekostar | apt-get update |
| 17:01.58 | wols_ | his ISP hands... |
| 17:02.05 | nekostar | that gets all the packages availiable to you to install |
| 17:02.13 | nekostar | apt-cache search gdesklet |
| 17:02.25 | nekostar | that searches to verify the package is availiable to you |
| 17:03.04 | jayr168 | ive alredy apt-get update |
| 17:03.04 | BassFool | hello all, I am trying to run k3b and having trouble. keep saying cdrecord cannot run with root privledges also say the same about cradao |
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| 17:03.14 | nekostar | then apt-get install gdesklets |
| 17:03.17 | *** mode/#debian [+b mcs2k*!*@*dip.t-dialin.net] by azeem |
| 17:03.18 | ke6isf | nekostar: You still need to run apt-setup. |
| 17:03.21 | nekostar | itl be there im sure? |
| 17:03.23 | azeem | better? |
| 17:03.29 | noname | NAYONE can help me with an root filesystem wich is going ro automatic after 30 min |
| 17:03.29 | nekostar | i must have missed something |
| 17:03.30 | ke6isf | nekostar: ...sorry, not you. |
| 17:03.34 | nekostar | why run apt-setup ? |
| 17:03.39 | ke6isf | jayr168: You still need to run apt-setup. |
| 17:03.39 | nekostar | ive never done that. ever. |
| 17:03.42 | jayr168 | after I run apt-setup |
| 17:03.43 | xoz | Buccharati: adduser to the group of audio/cd/dvd etc |
| 17:03.52 | jayr168 | what options do I need to select? |
| 17:03.56 | ke6isf | jayr168: Just run apt-setup, and don't worry about the after. Do it now. |
| 17:04.14 | ke6isf | jayr168: Select an FTP or HTTP source, pick a mirror, and let it run. |
| 17:04.15 | nekostar | BassFool, did you install suid >? |
| 17:04.16 | noname | CAN ANYONE can help me with an root filesystem wich is going ro automatic after 30 min |
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| 17:04.29 | nekostar | dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> |
| 17:04.42 | nekostar | noname, what exactly do you mean? |
| 17:04.42 | BassFool | nekostar no.. whats suid.? |
| 17:04.42 | Nexus | xoz, So I used the --set-selections, but now I'm trying to undo it. when I do --get-selections it says vim install, but it should say hold shouldn't it? |
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| 17:05.05 | jayr168 | its downloading somethin |
| 17:05.08 | jayr168 | whats that? |
| 17:05.11 | BassFool | nekostar: do I need to install it? |
| 17:05.17 | nekostar | BassFool, as i understand it it means that it can be run _as_ root... im not that advanced myself./.. but i believe that was the recommended fix to that error last time i had it,,, |
| 17:05.34 | noname | NEKOSTAR my root filesystem is mounted on an ext3,.. 30min after each reboot goes automatically in the read only mode |
| 17:05.36 | nekostar | BassFool, its in there.. just dpkg-reconfigure cradao |
| 17:05.43 | nekostar | noname, ok... |
| 17:05.52 | nekostar | mine is mounted that way as well |
| 17:05.57 | jayr168 | ive apt-setup select HTTP and now its downloading somethin |
| 17:06.09 | noname | nekostar ive still tried the option errors=continue but didnt help,.. |
| 17:06.09 | jayr168 | whats next? |
| 17:06.19 | nekostar | um |
| 17:06.23 | nekostar | are you root? |
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| 17:06.27 | wols_ | noname: if it does then there are logs telling you why |
| 17:06.38 | s1lent_al | hello. i want to install mythtv but ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat sarge main doesnt refers to the pool directory , which is where mythtv located . what is the right way to add that repository to sources.list? |
| 17:06.53 | noname | WOLS lol think about the logs CANT HELP ME cause the filesystems is going in read only so they couldn log any |
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| 17:07.12 | xoz | Nexus: if you want to do a better way about hold or release hold, use pinning. |
| 17:07.17 | wols_ | noname: stop your yelling please |
| 17:07.21 | jdhutchin1 | noname, have you checked dmesg? |
| 17:07.26 | nekostar | dpkg, tell s1lent_al about sources |
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| 17:07.51 | noname | wols yelling? sorry my enlgish isnt good so,.. please forgive me |
| 17:07.52 | ice_1963 | hello:wols_ |
| 17:08.22 | nekostar | BassFool, did that fix ya up? |
| 17:08.27 | wols_ | noname: check dmesg like jdhutchin1 said |
| 17:08.34 | xoz | Nexus: check /etc/apt/preferences |
| 17:08.35 | azeem | noname: writing in ALL CAPS is considered yelling on irc |
| 17:08.38 | noname | jdhut i cant see anything except the the time its stop logging ind the logs,.. and ive only ssh support cause the server is 800 km away |
| 17:08.38 | s1lent_al | nekostar , thanx m8 ! :) |
| 17:08.44 | azeem | noname: or shouting |
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| 17:09.06 | BassFool | nekostar: ok look like cdrecord is fixed but cdrdao does allow me to set SUID on it |
| 17:09.08 | noname | thx azeem |
| 17:09.27 | BassFool | dpkg-reconfigure just returns nothing |
| 17:09.39 | BassFool | dpkg-reconfigure cdrdao returns nothing |
| 17:09.56 | wols_ | noname: http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2003/09/msg00088.html |
| 17:10.06 | wols_ | seems something does bad things to your filesystem |
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| 17:10.13 | nekostar | then try " apt-get install cdrdao " |
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| 17:10.33 | BassFool | already newest version.. |
| 17:10.43 | BassFool | should I remove and re-install |
| 17:10.48 | lnx^ | hmm, I'm experiencing weird problems with unstable's openoffice.org2... |
| 17:11.05 | lnx^ | for some reason, when using OO math, my minus signs get replaced by spaces! |
| 17:11.11 | nekostar | no BassFool shouldnt need to... one sec |
| 17:11.51 | lnx^ | I'm running with quite default settings, the font is times new roman |
| 17:12.15 | lnx^ | it's annoying, I can't use the program for any purposes. I've had to rely on microsoft word through cxoffice |
| 17:12.24 | DistroWatch | how do i get a weather applet like this one here ? http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=13854105624345452f5d23f&m=screen |
| 17:12.41 | nekostar | hm |
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| 17:13.05 | nekostar | BassFool, dunno what to do on that one.. one of these guys might know better than me... |
| 17:13.12 | nekostar | but what proggie are you using to burn with?? |
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| 17:13.24 | BassFool | nekostar do I run k3b as root or as normal user |
| 17:13.29 | nekostar | personally for gui burning i use k3b |
| 17:13.31 | nekostar | aaaahhhhh |
| 17:13.33 | nekostar | lol |
| 17:13.37 | BassFool | yea I am using k3b also.. |
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| 17:13.47 | nekostar | then this is much easier one second.. |
| 17:14.31 | nekostar | start the k3bsetup2 |
| 17:14.31 | BassFool | nekostar: also don't have support for .wma files |
| 17:14.37 | BassFool | as root? |
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| 17:14.49 | DistroWatch | Connecting to daemon [ ### ]Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by serverXlib |
| 17:14.54 | nekostar | BassFool, no |
| 17:14.59 | nekostar | just start k3b as user |
| 17:15.04 | DistroWatch | i try to start gDesklets |
| 17:15.21 | marcz908 | I want to uninstall a package, is there a way to see what packages use the package I want to uninstall as a dependency so I can make sure nothing important gets uninstalled? |
| 17:15.24 | noname | wols thanks for the link,..... hmm interresting that sendmail can damage the filesystem,.. ill try now kill all task excep the http we will se |
| 17:15.31 | BassFool | nekostar: blank grey window for k3bsetup |
| 17:16.40 | BassFool | nekostar: got help Defaults and apply button on bottom but no content |
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| 17:16.57 | DistroWatch | i did added the face to it first |
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| 17:17.04 | wols_ | marcz908: apt-get remove will tell you |
| 17:17.16 | nekostar | yeah i got the same |
| 17:17.21 | nekostar | let me find something to fix this BassFool |
| 17:17.24 | nekostar | gimme minute |
| 17:17.29 | Luftzig | does any one can answer me some bluetooth hardware related question? |
| 17:17.34 | noname | wols but im wondering that my errors=continue will be ignored by the system |
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| 17:20.10 | lnx^ | any ideas about my minus sign problem? :/ |
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| 17:20.45 | blondie | lnx^: well it is unstable |
| 17:21.03 | DistroWatch | any gDesklets guide for debian ? |
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| 17:21.59 | lnx^ | blondie: so any suggestions, should I download the sources and compile it from scratch or what? |
| 17:22.10 | nekostar | Check the permissions. Very probably you have to add yourself to the |
| 17:22.10 | nekostar | cdrom group. |
| 17:22.11 | blondie | no, no suggestions |
| 17:22.31 | nekostar | BassFool, |
| 17:22.42 | nekostar | personally im gonna uninstall and reinstall those packages one sec |
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| 17:23.04 | Krupz | hi |
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| 17:23.17 | Luftzig | anyone atleast knows some hardware related channel? |
| 17:23.18 | Krupz | someone has compiled xgl on debian sid? |
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| 17:24.38 | MyNickHere | Hi - im having trouble with installing debian. I read all the manuals and did what they said, but I couldnt get it to work. What i did was burned mini.iso to a CD then booted from the CD, but it didnt boot and proceeded to hardrive boot. Is this a problem with Pheonix BIOS? WHat did I do wrong? |
| 17:24.51 | abrotman | did you burn it as data? |
| 17:24.55 | abrotman | or as an ISO? |
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| 17:25.16 | MyNickHere | I used nero and made data CD using the iso. I didnt know how to diret burn as an iso |
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| 17:25.34 | abrotman | nero has an option(in mine anyways) to Burn Image .. from the File menu |
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| 17:25.54 | BassFool | nekostar: ok I will check that but I already added myself to cdrom group |
| 17:26.02 | DistroWatch | can anyone please help me get gDesklets running ? |
| 17:26.03 | MyNickHere | let me that - thanks. |
| 17:26.22 | abrotman | DistroWatch: you just .. uhm .. run it |
| 17:26.37 | abrotman | gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org |
| 17:26.43 | blondie | MyNickHere: Recorder menu -> Burn image |
| 17:26.46 | MyNickHere | better to use mini.iso or the netinst.iso? |
| 17:26.54 | blondie | MyNickHere: also you forgot to type your nick in... |
| 17:27.00 | MyNickHere | yeah lol i know |
| 17:27.09 | DistroWatch | abrotman well it doesnt start |
| 17:27.17 | wols_ | DistroWatch: dpkg -L gdesklets |grep bin |
| 17:27.21 | MyNickHere | mini or netinst better? |
| 17:27.23 | DistroWatch | abrotman i did add a face to it |
| 17:27.28 | blondie | i prefer netinst |
| 17:27.41 | abrotman | MyNickHere: netinst |
| 17:27.49 | MyNickHere | k |
| 17:27.51 | MyNickHere | thx |
| 17:27.53 | DistroWatch | wols_ /usr/bin/gdesklets and /usr/bin/gdesklets-display-thumbnailer |
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| 17:28.41 | DistroWatch | wols_ Connecting to daemon [ ### ]Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by serverXlib: No protocol specified |
| 17:28.54 | abrotman | are you running it as root? |
| 17:28.59 | DistroWatch | nope |
| 17:29.00 | nekostar | BassFool, ls -lc /usr/bin/cdrdao |
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| 17:29.50 | nekostar | chmod 4755 /usr/bin/cdrdao |
| 17:30.05 | DistroWatch | thug@Tupacfan:~$ /usr/bin/gdesklets |
| 17:30.40 | nekostar | BassFool, run the first one and you will see ::: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 565104 2006-03-04 09:23 /usr/bin/cdrdao :::: then do ::: chmod 4755 /usr/bin/cdrdao ::: and you will see ::: chmod 4755 /usr/bin/cdrdao |
| 17:30.46 | MyNickHere | one more thing - when i dl'ed the netinst it appeared as a winrar file, how do i dl as .iso? |
| 17:30.48 | BassFool | nekostar: ok that cleared up the warning. Now how to get support for .wma files |
| 17:30.48 | nekostar | er oops/.// |
| 17:30.55 | nekostar | BassFool, before you do that |
| 17:31.05 | DistroWatch | so , any ideea |
| 17:31.20 | nekostar | notice that first we used 4 bits on the chmod... and that the permissions changed from an x to an s |
| 17:31.29 | nekostar | now for the support |
| 17:31.31 | BassFool | yea is that the suid? |
| 17:31.33 | nekostar | go install some codecs |
| 17:31.38 | nekostar | yeah its the suid working:: |
| 17:31.39 | MyNickHere | sorry - got it working |
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| 17:31.48 | BassFool | ahh ok... |
| 17:31.51 | nekostar | http://georgetoft.com/linux/QAF/createvcd/index.shtml <<--- google winds BassFool |
| 17:31.55 | nekostar | *wins |
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| 17:32.32 | nekostar | if you want that other menu apparently you need to compile it yourself atm lol |
| 17:32.32 | lnx^ | uh, what could be done about my OO problem? screenshots of the missing minus sign: http://tinyurl.com/p5eme |
| 17:32.37 | BassFool | nekostar: thanks.. |
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| 17:33.12 | nekostar | btw |
| 17:33.19 | nekostar | i found the answer to that other problem... |
| 17:33.20 | nekostar | :P |
| 17:33.39 | BassFool | which one? |
| 17:33.41 | nekostar | but try googling it for a bit im gonna go have a smoke... lets see if you can find this one ok>? |
| 17:33.44 | nekostar | the wma thing |
| 17:33.53 | BassFool | I think it got it working.. |
| 17:34.00 | BassFool | its burning now.. |
| 17:34.06 | nekostar | awesome |
| 17:34.09 | Econael | hi, i need to kill the xserver in order to install a graphic driver, but when i kill him, he keeps popping up (restarting), how can i surpress this be haviour? |
| 17:34.18 | nekostar | wma you can just burn BassFool as wma |
| 17:34.18 | BassFool | thanks ... nekostar is awesome |
| 17:34.29 | nekostar | Econael, go to console first |
| 17:34.37 | nekostar | ctrl + alt + 1 |
| 17:34.41 | nekostar | er F1 |
| 17:34.43 | nekostar | and log in |
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| 17:34.59 | nekostar | [as root do:::] /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 17:36.58 | jayr168 | hello |
| 17:37.00 | jayr168 | guys |
| 17:37.02 | Dibbler_ | Does anybody happen to have a .PPD for an Epson Stylus Photo R240? |
| 17:37.28 | jayr168 | what is fluxbox? |
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| 17:37.32 | marcz908 | how can I find out which package a certain program came from? such as rpc.statd comes from nfs-common, but I had to google to find that |
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| 17:37.38 | robinl1 | jayr168: what is the matrix? |
| 17:37.41 | nayyres | i have configured proxy IP/Port of a freeProxyServer, but still my actual IP is going out ? |
| 17:37.44 | PerfDave | marcz908: dpkg -S |
| 17:37.53 | jayr168 | i dont know |
| 17:37.55 | epsilon | Dibbler_: tried stuff from linuxprinting.org? |
| 17:38.03 | jayr168 | any body can tell me what is fluxbox? |
| 17:38.05 | robinl1 | http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/ |
| 17:38.07 | robinl1 | thatisthematrwix |
| 17:38.08 | robinl1 | XD |
| 17:38.11 | robinl1 | matrix* |
| 17:38.14 | marcz908 | perfdave: thanks |
| 17:38.20 | abrotman | jayr168: apt-cache show fluxbox |
| 17:38.25 | epsilon | marcz908: dpkg -S, apt-file search |
| 17:38.37 | david_ | Hi, i want to know how to rename my system? so that the name on bash changes |
| 17:38.39 | nayyres | i have set the Proxy IP in browser |
| 17:38.49 | epsilon | david_: /etc/hostname |
| 17:39.00 | david_ | thanks! |
| 17:40.05 | wols_ | then you have configured your browser wrong |
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| 17:41.12 | nayyres | in firefox, Edit-->preferences-->connection setting--> manaul proxy setting? |
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| 17:42.16 | nayyres | wols_, in firefox, Edit-->preferences-->connection setting--> manaul proxy setting? |
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| 17:43.31 | Econael | •nekostar• thank you that worked |
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| 17:44.21 | mbishop | wow that guys lame nick completion just screwed up my irssi |
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| 17:46.41 | clojster | do debian support Xgl? (Is there any howto on installing?) |
| 17:46.47 | Ricardo_1990 | motherfuckers ! |
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| 17:46.55 | Ricardo_1990 | nasty bitchies ! |
| 17:46.55 | Cyorxamp | What is the package name of the gnome menu editor?????? |
| 17:47.23 | BassFool | nekostar: you there? |
| 17:47.31 | Ricardo_1990 | no one is here |
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| 17:47.36 | nekostar | yeah sup BassFool |
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| 17:47.57 | BassFool | made the burn, but it burned as a data cd.. .. O don't think its handling the .wma properly |
| 17:48.13 | MyNickHere | i burned the .iso through nero but my PC still wont boot througn the CD. Suggestions? |
| 17:48.14 | BassFool | I am going to try some mp3 and see what happens |
| 17:48.25 | nekostar | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/gaming-games-multimedia-entertainment/38019-can-you-burn-wma-files-using-k3b.html |
| 17:48.29 | blondie | MyNickHere: can you read the files on the CD? through windows |
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| 17:48.31 | nekostar | look at that BassFool |
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| 17:48.47 | MyNickHere | no - doesnt appear |
| 17:48.56 | nekostar | burning wma as data is correct... you need to have the right version of k3b and toss in ffmpeg too |
| 17:48.57 | MyNickHere | like no CD in drive |
| 17:49.16 | BassFool | nekostar: ok |
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| 17:49.48 | nekostar | MyNickHere, first always use error checking in nero... second what iso? and third make sure cdrom is primary boot device in cmos |
| 17:49.54 | jayr168 | hellow |
| 17:49.57 | jayr168 | whats up |
| 17:50.03 | nekostar | suppperzzzz |
| 17:50.13 | blondie | coaster |
| 17:50.16 | honschu | MyNickHere: check your nick ;) |
| 17:50.31 | abrotman | nekostar: fourth .. don't burn higher than 16x |
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| 17:50.57 | nekostar | abrotman, o.O ?? |
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| 17:52.38 | MyNickHere | sorry - lagged out. |
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| 17:52.51 | blondie | MyNickHere: your CD didn't burn correctly if you can't read it in windows |
| 17:52.55 | resiak | abrotman: doesn't your burner like >16x? |
| 17:52.55 | MyNickHere | it didnt appear in windows - it appears as no CD in drive |
| 17:53.06 | resiak | abrotman: (after the acid incident) |
| 17:53.09 | blondie | either the .iso is corrupt, or it didn't burn properly |
| 17:53.10 | MyNickHere | what should it read as? |
| 17:53.17 | blondie | you should see files in there :P |
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| 17:53.34 | jeef | howcome find with -regex doesn't seem to support {}? i.e. [0-9]* will work with 12 and 56 but [0-9]{2} will not work with either |
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| 17:53.41 | resiak | info find ? |
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| 17:53.45 | MyNickHere | i think the problem may be that windows recognizes the netinst.iso as a .rar |
| 17:53.54 | blondie | jeef: maybe escape them |
| 17:53.55 | MyNickHere | could that be it, and if so, how do i change that? |
| 17:54.02 | blondie | er |
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| 17:54.08 | abrotman | resiak: no .. ISOs don't like > 16x |
| 17:54.12 | resiak | okay |
| 17:54.17 | blondie | MyNickHere: what do you mean by that? |
| 17:54.28 | abrotman | burners do wonky compression to go faster ..b ad for ISOs |
| 17:54.31 | resiak | He means that he unpacked the iso and then burned a bunch of random files to a disk |
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| 17:54.39 | Daveman | what's the latest, abrotman? |
| 17:54.47 | abrotman | Daveman: i'm at work \o/ |
| 17:54.52 | Daveman | heh |
| 17:54.59 | Daveman | on a saturday? :\ |
| 17:55.01 | blondie | MyNickHere: right, after downloading the .iso you just burned it straight to disc, yes? |
| 17:55.12 | blondie | MyNickHere: using Recorder -> Burn Image in Nero? |
| 17:55.20 | blondie | or did you do somethng else to the .iso first |
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| 17:56.08 | abrotman | Daveman: i'm destroying financial data .. hopefully not yours |
| 17:56.12 | MyNickHere | yes |
| 17:56.22 | MyNickHere | but in preferences it says file type is winrar archiver |
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| 17:56.36 | blondie | preferences? what preferences? |
| 17:56.44 | wols | abrotman: could be he owes money the world over. if so, he sincerely hopes its his |
| 17:56.54 | Marquel | thx for the help |
| 17:56.57 | Daveman | yay? |
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| 17:57.08 | Daveman | abrotman, burn the truth, BURN THE TRUTH! |
| 17:57.10 | Daveman | >:) |
| 17:57.22 | Daveman | *maniacal laughter* |
| 17:57.37 | MyNickHere | oops |
| 17:57.39 | MyNickHere | properties |
| 17:57.41 | MyNickHere | not prefs |
| 17:57.53 | blondie | what is the full name of the file? |
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| 17:58.06 | Econael | hi, while installing the graphic card drivers I was told to install the kernel sources, I did so, but the installer doesnt find them automatically so I have to tell him manually but I cant find them |
| 17:58.13 | MyNickHere | debian-31r1a-i386-netinst |
| 17:58.17 | blondie | no the full name |
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| 17:58.29 | blondie | it should have an extension |
| 17:58.32 | blondie | bloody windows |
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| 17:58.37 | edt | when installing debian now do you get to a shell which lets you use dpkg and friends |
| 17:58.50 | blondie | turn file extensions on in Explorer, and then see what it's called |
| 17:58.56 | jayr168 | how do I get my mouse scroll wheel to work in debian 3.1 |
| 17:59.14 | edt | the current net install iso for amd64 is borked but 20 seconds with a working dpkg would let me fix it |
| 17:59.22 | edt | HOW do I get one |
| 17:59.29 | jayr168 | how do I get my mouse scroll wheel to work in debian 3.1? |
| 17:59.36 | nekostar | jayr168, |
| 17:59.36 | MyNickHere | jus a sec - filetype is winrar archive |
| 17:59.41 | MyNickHere | lemme check extension |
| 17:59.45 | blondie | jayr168: what? didn't quite catch that |
| 17:59.49 | nekostar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.49 | opqdonut | jayr168: add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' to your x config |
| 17:59.50 | nekostar | or |
| 17:59.55 | nekostar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.00 | nekostar | or that |
| 18:00.02 | nekostar | :P |
| 18:00.06 | opqdonut | jayr168: in the section your mouse device is in |
| 18:00.27 | jayr168 | my mouse is logitech with scroll wheel |
| 18:00.47 | MyNickHere | how do i turn on extensions in XP? |
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| 18:01.01 | edt | debian install are getting WORST |
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| 18:01.03 | resiak | !htfswk |
| 18:01.03 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 18:01.04 | edt | not better |
| 18:01.15 | ResPiDeR | hi, why are there only images 10, 11 and 12 in i386/iso-cd in mirrors? |
| 18:01.16 | edt | MUCH WORST |
| 18:01.20 | blondie | MyNickHere: Tools -> Folder Options |
| 18:01.21 | resiak | edt: Alt-F[234] --- one of them |
| 18:01.27 | Ronin | edt: heh your funny |
| 18:01.36 | Econael | while installing the graphic card drivers I was told to install the kernel sources, I did so, but the installer doesnt find them automatically so I have to tell him manually but I cant find them |
| 18:01.37 | resiak | !your |
| 18:01.37 | dpkg | i heard your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 18:01.43 | blondie | View tab -> untick Hide extensions for known file types |
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| 18:01.48 | edt | resiak I have tried expert and rescue |
| 18:01.53 | resiak | Econael: Are you trying to install nvidia drivers? |
| 18:01.56 | edt | neither lets me fix the borked install |
| 18:01.59 | Econael | yes |
| 18:02.02 | jayr168 | zaxismapping is alredy added |
| 18:02.05 | resiak | !tell Econael -about nvidia howto |
| 18:02.11 | resiak | Econael: Do not use the nvidia-installer |
| 18:02.12 | MyNickHere | .iso |
| 18:02.25 | edt | if I use an older netinstall cd the kernel is so old it cannot handle my sata drive |
| 18:02.27 | Econael | oh thanks |
| 18:02.36 | blondie | MyNickHere: right |
| 18:02.39 | SimonRaven | MyNickHere: /server hi |
| 18:02.47 | MyNickHere | debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:02.47 | blondie | MyNickHere: anyway, I suggest you md5 it |
| 18:02.49 | loggygreg | jayr168: use Option "Protocol" "auto" |
| 18:02.52 | edt | Ronin I am also serious - I have been using debian for 7 years |
| 18:02.57 | edt | I cannot get the install to work |
| 18:02.57 | blondie | MyNickHere: and try burning at a lower speed |
| 18:02.57 | MyNickHere | sorry - md5? |
| 18:03.06 | blondie | ok just try the lower speed :P |
| 18:03.06 | edt | what does that say about the install |
| 18:03.09 | blondie | say 16x or something |
| 18:03.17 | Stevie | anybody have the major/minor numbers for hdc and hdd? |
| 18:03.18 | MyNickHere | but what is md5? |
| 18:03.30 | cse2 | hey. Is there a way to kill a command in a bash script if it takes longer than X seconds to execute? I run a loop of commands and once in a while it hangs (due to dead servers elsewhere) |
| 18:03.34 | jayr168 | use Option "Protocol" "auto" what this? |
| 18:03.50 | edt | this must be the tenth or eleventh time I have installed over the last seven years. |
| 18:03.52 | jayr168 | my config says Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" |
| 18:03.53 | blondie | MyNickHere: it's a checksum |
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| 18:04.02 | Stevie | it's actually a hash. |
| 18:04.06 | edt | its the FIRST time the install has TOTALLY failed |
| 18:04.21 | jayr168 | where do I add the "Protocol" line? |
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| 18:04.33 | MyNickHere | well i feel like a moron - checksum is what? |
| 18:04.34 | blondie | ok a hash |
| 18:04.37 | MyNickHere | hash? |
| 18:04.40 | MyNickHere | ahh!!!?!?!?!?! |
| 18:04.49 | blondie | it's used to verify that the file is not corrupt mmkay |
| 18:04.50 | loggygreg | jayr168: in X config file in Section "InputDevice" |
| 18:04.53 | edt | the only way I can get close is to install an old netinstall cd, but not boot the resulting install (the kernel is borked for sata) |
| 18:05.04 | MyNickHere | got it - how do i access it? |
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| 18:05.13 | edt | and install the current netinstall on top of that using expert mode |
| 18:05.16 | jayr168 | loggygreg: it says Protocol PS/2 |
| 18:05.19 | blondie | MyNickHere: if you have windows, you need to find a md5 program for it |
| 18:05.23 | edt | but that die installing the kernel |
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| 18:05.35 | MyNickHere | k |
| 18:05.36 | edt | 20 seconds with dpkg would fix it |
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| 18:05.39 | loggygreg | jayr168: and use Option "Emulate3Buttons" "false" |
| 18:05.41 | endeavormac | how can i find what version kernel I have? |
| 18:05.48 | Maulkin | endeavormac: uname |
| 18:05.53 | edt | as you can tell I am VERY frustrated |
| 18:05.55 | endeavormac | ok, thank you |
| 18:05.57 | opqdonut | endeavormac: uname -r |
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| 18:06.01 | opqdonut | oh |
| 18:06.03 | opqdonut | late :/ |
| 18:06.08 | ResPiDeR | hi, why are there only testing images 10, 11 and 12 in i386/iso-cd in mirrors? |
| 18:06.19 | MyNickHere | in Nero - it is set to Record Premastered Image -> Image Recorder. Disk speed cant be set. |
| 18:06.26 | edt | frustrated enough to switch distributions |
| 18:06.33 | edt | after sever year |
| 18:06.39 | blondie | MyNickHere: yes it can, what version of nero? |
| 18:06.44 | blondie | is it nero express? |
| 18:06.46 | edt | which tells you the state of the debian installer... |
| 18:06.49 | edt | it STINKS |
| 18:06.53 | curt | edt, do you have a question? |
| 18:06.56 | MyNickHere | yeah |
| 18:07.06 | resiak | edt: Is this amd64? Have you tried #debian-amd64, who may know more |
| 18:07.06 | resiak | ? |
| 18:07.08 | wols | edt: or do you just want to troll? |
| 18:07.15 | MyNickHere | 6.3.0.2 |
| 18:07.21 | edt | curt how do you get a console that lets you use dpkg during an install |
| 18:07.40 | MyNickHere | Its got a "make bootable disk" option |
| 18:07.50 | curt | edt, after the partitioning stage you can scroll down and get into a borne like shell |
| 18:08.00 | opqdonut | edt: well, change vt, chroot to install, and dpkg? |
| 18:08.02 | MyNickHere | i should use that yes? |
| 18:08.15 | resiak | MyNickHere: No, you should use "burn from CD image" or similar |
| 18:08.27 | MyNickHere | o |
| 18:08.28 | MyNickHere | k |
| 18:08.31 | wols | MyNickHere: under "file" there might be a burn image option |
| 18:08.40 | edt | opqdonut would you have and example of how? |
| 18:08.47 | wols | MyNickHere: the less you do with that ISO the better |
| 18:08.54 | MyNickHere | "Burn Image to Disk" under copy and backup? |
| 18:08.55 | edt | that _does_ sound to be what I need to do |
| 18:09.08 | wols | edt: ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 18:09.17 | edt | wols that part I know |
| 18:09.18 | resiak | MyNickHere: That sounds reasonable |
| 18:09.25 | edt | it the details of the chroot |
| 18:09.30 | opqdonut | edt: alt+f2 to new terminal, press enter or something, "chroot /dev/hxy", "dpkg ..." |
| 18:09.34 | wols | edt: why do you need to run dpkg? |
| 18:09.41 | MyNickHere | doesnt let me edit brun speed tho, and .iso isnt a nero-style image |
| 18:09.45 | MyNickHere | still do it? |
| 18:09.49 | opqdonut | edt: where /dev/hxy is your root partition |
| 18:09.51 | loggygreg | jayr168: that works ? |
| 18:09.57 | blondie | MyNickHere: you're doing the wrong thing |
| 18:10.02 | edt | wols cause the installer has borked the kernel install |
| 18:10.03 | MyNickHere | ? |
| 18:10.07 | Econael | •resiak• while following the nvidia how to I found out that I am using an old kernel (2.4.27-2-386) should I update or just use this? |
| 18:10.08 | blondie | MyNickHere: open the full "Nero Burning ROM" program |
| 18:10.17 | Aghaster | i have a problem with my keyboard config |
| 18:10.22 | edt | opqdonut switch boxes to try. THANKS |
| 18:10.26 | blondie | MyNickHere: not the Express one |
| 18:10.29 | wols | Econael: I'd update |
| 18:10.30 | opqdonut | edt: np, hf |
| 18:10.33 | edt | s/switch/switching/ |
| 18:10.34 | resiak | Econael: I don't understand |
| 18:10.40 | MyNickHere | i only have express - with a stupid SmartStart thing |
| 18:10.44 | Aghaster | each time i boot, i get a message that says 'Error activating XKB configuration' |
| 18:10.50 | resiak | Econael: And don't use weird high-bit characters around my nick |
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| 18:11.16 | Econael | thats the irc script i just put a semicolon after it |
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| 18:11.25 | opqdonut | lael |
| 18:11.30 | MyNickHere | cant find a Nero Burning ROM |
| 18:11.46 | blondie | hm |
| 18:12.03 | resiak | Econael: Then turn off the script |
| 18:12.09 | resiak | oh good LORD, mIRC |
| 18:12.32 | opqdonut | äm-irk :/ |
| 18:12.32 | blondie | MyNickHere: click DIsk Image or Saved Project |
| 18:12.43 | MyNickHere | in SmartStart? |
| 18:12.50 | blondie | er |
| 18:12.51 | blondie | no |
| 18:13.00 | blondie | "Nero Express" |
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| 18:14.03 | blondie | then you can select Image Files from the file type box, and then select the IOS |
| 18:14.06 | blondie | *ISO |
| 18:14.12 | MyNickHere | found it |
| 18:14.30 | MyNickHere | image recoreder or cr-r/rw drive? |
| 18:14.34 | mbishop | opqdonut: good to know unicode is working heh |
| 18:14.39 | blondie | guess |
| 18:14.46 | opqdonut | mbishop: oh my output is unicode? |
| 18:14.49 | blondie | then select the burning speed - set to 16x or something |
| 18:14.57 | tango_ | let's that I noticed there is no xchat-ruby package in debian ... what's the best thing I can do? suggest it be included (where?), convert the mandrake rpm with alien, or try and become the maintainer even though I will not have the time to actually maintain it? |
| 18:15.04 | blondie | (the answer was the cdrw drive, not image reocrded) |
| 18:15.04 | MyNickHere | doesnt let me set burning speed |
| 18:15.06 | blondie | *recorded |
| 18:15.08 | blondie | ffs |
| 18:15.08 | mbishop | opqdonut: that a with the dots showed up right |
| 18:15.09 | blondie | recorder |
| 18:15.14 | mbishop | opqdonut: for me anyway |
| 18:15.23 | blondie | MyNickHere: should be above Number of Copies |
| 18:15.25 | tango_ | +say |
| 18:15.34 | MyNickHere | i went recorder-dics image or saved project |
| 18:15.39 | opqdonut | mbishop: i think it's iso8859-1 not unicode i'm outputting but anyway |
| 18:15.44 | opqdonut | irssi's recode is nice |
| 18:15.51 | MyNickHere | but burning speed option was disabled - semi-transparent |
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| 18:16.17 | mbishop | I have iso8859-1 and utf8 support so, *shrug* |
| 18:16.38 | blondie | MyNickHere: well I don't know then -- just try it how it is and it might work |
| 18:16.39 | MyNickHere | if i use CD-RW/R option i can set speed |
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| 18:17.14 | Maulkin | MyNickHere: it's possible your drive doesn't support it. |
| 18:17.28 | blondie | MyNickHere: you MUST select the cd-rw/r option |
| 18:17.33 | Aghaster | Error activating XKB configuration. |
| 18:17.33 | Aghaster | This can happen under various circumstances: |
| 18:17.33 | Aghaster | - a bug in libxklavier library |
| 18:17.33 | Aghaster | - a bug in X server (xkbcomp, xmodmap utilities) |
| 18:17.33 | Aghaster | - X server with incompatible libxkbfile implementation |
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| 18:17.36 | Huahua | hello, can I relicense MIT program under GPL ? |
| 18:17.38 | Huahua | I want the GPL fork of some MIT font |
| 18:17.43 | MyNickHere | ill do that then |
| 18:17.44 | Huahua | is sublicense == relicense ? |
| 18:17.45 | MyNickHere | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:17.48 | blondie | MyNickHere: and then set the speed to 16x or something |
| 18:18.00 | MyNickHere | swet it to 16 |
| 18:18.18 | Maulkin | !tell Aghaster about paste |
| 18:18.24 | Aghaster | sorry |
| 18:18.31 | resiak | Aghaster: You might want to go through drxx and re-set up your keyboard |
| 18:18.32 | resiak | !drxx |
| 18:18.32 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 18:18.54 | Aghaster | kool, this may be what i was looking for |
| 18:18.57 | MyNickHere | recognized by windows |
| 18:19.04 | MyNickHere | thank god and thank you |
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| 18:19.14 | MyNickHere | im so sick of XP |
| 18:19.15 | cse2 | Anyone know how to kill a bash system command after X seconds? In the case it hangs? |
| 18:19.31 | Aghaster | ah |
| 18:19.34 | opqdonut | cse2: command & sleep X && kill %1 |
| 18:19.35 | Aghaster | but this i already tried |
| 18:19.41 | Aghaster | my xorg.conf is fine :( |
| 18:19.55 | cse2 | opqdonut thanks! |
| 18:19.59 | opqdonut | np |
| 18:20.01 | MyNickHere | im gonna go try linux boot - wish me luck! |
| 18:20.01 | Aghaster | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/JO9zWl18.html here's the paste of the error |
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| 18:20.26 | blondie | yes, you need all teh luck you can get |
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| 18:20.43 | abrotman | !distract blondie |
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| 18:20.59 | opqdonut | :D |
| 18:21.13 | blondie | hmm, is dpkg male or female? |
| 18:21.16 | abrotman | !sex |
| 18:21.17 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 18:21.18 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:21.19 | abrotman | !gender |
| 18:21.20 | dpkg | I'm sexless |
| 18:21.26 | mbishop | kinky |
| 18:21.41 | Aghaster | when using gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd i have overrideSettings = true |
| 18:21.51 | Aghaster | and layouts = [] |
| 18:21.57 | Aghaster | my xorg.conf is correct |
| 18:22.00 | Aghaster | but i have this. |
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| 18:22.18 | Aghaster | how could i change overrideSettings to false^ |
| 18:22.19 | Aghaster | ? |
| 18:22.41 | jayr168 | i still cant get my mouse scrollwheel 2 work |
| 18:22.53 | jayr168 | its a ps/2 logitech |
| 18:23.00 | jayr168 | please help me guys |
| 18:23.02 | Sonny | hi, do you know how to decide which packages to upgrade and which ones not? |
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| 18:23.25 | abrotman | Sonny: you can just install it .. instead of apt-get upgrade .. you call `apt-get install <pkg> |
| 18:23.26 | abrotman | ` |
| 18:23.47 | jayr168 | i still cant get my mouse scrollwheel 2 work |
| 18:24.05 | loggygreg | jayr168: have you tried protocol "auto" and emulate3buttons "false" |
| 18:24.14 | loggygreg | jayr168: ? |
| 18:24.27 | Sonny | abrotman, I know that..... I'm asking you how do you decide to upgrade a package....? |
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| 18:25.01 | Sonny | abrotman, I used to upgrade everything but it made my system unstable |
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| 18:25.48 | jeef | anyone know why grep and find do not see these two regular expressions in the same way? [0-9][0-9] and [0-9]{2} |
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| 18:26.50 | abrotman | Sonny: i just told you |
| 18:27.18 | blondie | all hail king abrotman |
| 18:27.24 | Sonny | abrotman, I think you missunderstood my question |
| 18:27.42 | opqdonut | jeef: i am quite sure those are the same |
| 18:27.53 | opqdonut | jeef: however ([0-9]) is different |
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| 18:28.08 | wols | Sonny: just don't run unstable or testing. guess why they're named this way? |
| 18:28.12 | blondie | Sonny: if it ain't broke, don't fix it? |
| 18:28.14 | jeef | opqdonut, yeah, except when you use grep it disagrees. i know that they're the same in ruby, perl, php, etc. in grep, it seems to be a different story. |
| 18:28.27 | opqdonut | jeef: sorry i meant ([0-9]){2} |
| 18:28.37 | opqdonut | jeef: do you use egrep? |
| 18:28.37 | avar | jeef: use egrep |
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| 18:28.45 | jeef | egrep fixes that? |
| 18:28.53 | opqdonut | jeef: grep doesn't recognize {} syntax iir |
| 18:28.58 | avar | you using extended regular expressions in a program that doesn't understand it |
| 18:29.02 | opqdonut | jeef: egrep uses proper regexps |
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| 18:29.15 | opqdonut | pgrep is also nice, uses perl style regexp |
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| 18:29.29 | useruser_ | opqdonut: grep does understand \{ \} though, i think |
| 18:29.41 | cse2 | opqdonut, on that command you gave me "command & sleep X && kill %1", if command wants to end after 2 seconds, the entire command won't end until X has been reached.. is there a way to modify it so command is executed as fast as possible but killed if its too long? |
| 18:29.51 | avar | Note that perl compatable regexes aren't perl compatable |
| 18:30.08 | opqdonut | it uses pcre afaik |
| 18:30.14 | opqdonut | useruser_: yeah |
| 18:30.21 | opqdonut | cse2: hmm, let me think |
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| 18:30.46 | kingsley | asg: They count thank|thnx|thanx|thx |
| 18:30.59 | Sonny | abrotman, I'll draw it for you, I have many packages here...I wan t to know how to decide to upgrade pkg1, pkg2, pkgX, etc .. .and not to upgrade the pkg2, pkg4, etc ?? I mean the criteria |
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| 18:31.17 | jayr168 | ive done editing my x config |
| 18:31.21 | useruser_ | cse2: use wait, perhaps |
| 18:31.23 | jayr168 | do I need to reboot? |
| 18:31.36 | opqdonut | useruser_: checked, won't work |
| 18:31.41 | opqdonut | jayr168: restart X |
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| 18:31.53 | jeef | opqdonut, close... egrep supports {a} but not {a,b} |
| 18:32.09 | loggygreg | jayr168: no |
| 18:32.17 | opqdonut | jeef: oh? |
| 18:32.21 | jayr168 | restart X comman not found |
| 18:32.27 | jayr168 | restart X command not found |
| 18:32.36 | resiak | ... |
| 18:32.39 | opqdonut | ... |
| 18:32.41 | resiak | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.44 | resiak | / \ |
| 18:32.45 | opqdonut | jeef: "{n,m} The preceding item is matched at least n times, but not more than m times." from the man |
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| 18:32.48 | useruser_ | opqdonut: as in sleep 2 & wait $!; sleep $remainingTime; |
| 18:32.49 | jayr168 | guys? |
| 18:32.59 | blondie | jayr168: it's not a command |
| 18:33.02 | jayr168 | how do I restart x without rebooting? |
| 18:33.03 | jeef | opqdonut, trust me, i've read the manual.. :) |
| 18:33.05 | Gathond | jayr168: restart X yes, its not a command, its an action |
| 18:33.08 | resiak | jayr168: If you use [xgk]dm, /etc/init.d/[gkx]dm restart |
| 18:33.10 | jeef | opqdonut, i'm just saying what ishappening in reality |
| 18:33.18 | opqdonut | jeef: oh? |
| 18:33.26 | jeef | opqdonut, try echo "123" | egrep "[0-9]{3}" |
| 18:33.28 | jeef | opqdonut, it works |
| 18:33.31 | Gathond | jayr168: depends on how you started it, normally I think loggin out of whatever GUI you are using does the trick |
| 18:33.47 | jeef | opqdonut, then try echo "123" | egrep "[0-9]{1,3}" |
| 18:33.50 | opqdonut | jeef: yes, {n} works too |
| 18:34.00 | jeef | opqdonut, my second example does not work |
| 18:34.01 | jeef | :) |
| 18:34.06 | opqdonut | works here |
| 18:34.10 | jeef | doesn't, here |
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| 18:34.33 | opqdonut | jeef: well, it seems you loose |
| 18:34.37 | Thug-N-Me | how do i get completely rid of a package ? something more then " apt-get remove " |
| 18:34.47 | opqdonut | Thug-N-Me: --purge |
| 18:35.15 | jeef | opqdonut, maybe it's not the best idea to use grep, though. i.e. the manpage says something about extended regular expressions not being very portable. mine doesn't seem to support them properly, as yours does.. maybe it's right. |
| 18:35.18 | Thug-N-Me | ahh i see |
| 18:35.20 | Thug-N-Me | thanks |
| 18:35.27 | edt | opqdonut the chroot worked but the resulting install is still borked. the kernel spams the console with errors from nv_sata droping and redecting the Primary (which exists) and the second (which does not) sata drives |
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| 18:35.44 | opqdonut | edt: can't help you |
| 18:35.54 | opqdonut | jeef: what version you got? |
| 18:36.02 | opqdonut | 2.5.1 here |
| 18:36.10 | edt | opqdonut you already did ... |
| 18:36.21 | opqdonut | more that that i mean |
| 18:36.27 | opqdonut | dunno about sata and stuff |
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| 18:36.46 | xaxes|free | hey |
| 18:36.50 | opqdonut | hey |
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| 18:37.01 | xaxes|free | somebody who could tell me how to get the psmouse.ko driver? |
| 18:37.10 | Econael | resiak: re without the pesky invision script, how do I update the kernel? |
| 18:37.35 | resiak | why do you need to? |
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| 18:38.07 | jeef | opqdonut, 2.5.1 here, also.. |
| 18:38.12 | jeef | not sure why it's not working |
| 18:38.22 | Econael | didnt you (or someone else) tell me that I should (I have 2.4.27-2-386) |
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| 18:38.32 | opqdonut | jeef: did you put the |
| 18:38.33 | opqdonut | *** |
| 18:38.38 | jeef | ? |
| 18:38.41 | jeef | the ***? |
| 18:38.41 | opqdonut | jeef: put the regex in single quotes |
| 18:38.45 | opqdonut | mispressed enter |
| 18:38.49 | jeef | ah |
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| 18:39.05 | opqdonut | and the *** was like please ignore the last line |
| 18:39.17 | jeef | ohh.. |
| 18:39.18 | resiak | Econael: I didn't |
| 18:39.18 | jayr168 | thanks |
| 18:39.23 | jeef | single quotes /do/ matter with it i guess? |
| 18:39.25 | jayr168 | scrollwheel is working fine |
| 18:39.26 | resiak | Econael: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 18:39.26 | jeef | double quotes work |
| 18:39.28 | jeef | singles do not |
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| 18:39.37 | Econael | resiak: 3.1 sarge |
| 18:39.52 | resiak | Econael: you might want a 2.6, but you're probably okay with that... |
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| 18:40.29 | resiak | Econael: If you _do_ want a 2.6, apt-cache search --names-only kernel-image-2.6, pick one appropriate to your processor, apt-get install it |
| 18:40.31 | opqdonut | jeef: {x,y} is shell glob syntax |
| 18:40.35 | xaxes|free | sry, connection-problems .. |
| 18:40.37 | xaxes|free | now im back |
| 18:40.40 | loggygreg | xaxes|free: do you compile a new kernel ? |
| 18:40.45 | xaxes|free | anybody who could help me? |
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| 18:40.51 | xaxes|free | loggygreg, no, its the standard |
| 18:41.00 | FlopsyPete | does anyone know, whats the difference between libnjb1 and libnjb5? |
| 18:41.04 | Econael | resiak: ok thx |
| 18:41.25 | FlopsyPete | is libnjb5 a udev/hotplug variant of libnjb1? |
| 18:41.50 | xaxes|free | loggygreg, any idea how to get the module? |
| 18:41.58 | xaxes|free | some special packages? |
| 18:42.05 | xaxes|free | or just new kernel - install? |
| 18:42.13 | loggygreg | xaxes|free: have you tried modprobe psmouse ? |
| 18:42.24 | xaxes|free | loggygreg, the psmouse-module isnt there |
| 18:42.31 | xaxes|free | thats why im wondering |
| 18:43.06 | cse2 | opqdonut, searching google hasn't helped.. did you come up with anything that might work? |
| 18:43.09 | Sonny | hi, why I cant access to my another PC from linux but I can from windows??? I'm using samba |
| 18:43.29 | opqdonut | cse2: no |
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| 18:44.09 | loggygreg | xaxes|free: it's strange if it's a standard kernel the module is present otherwise compiles the module |
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| 18:44.25 | xaxes|free | loggygreg, where can i get it? |
| 18:45.00 | crazykilla726 | Hey - im having trouble repartitioning for debian install - im running XP and ive got the C: partition, but i cant find out how to make another - PArtitionMagic demo iddnt work. Suggestions? |
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| 18:45.45 | opqdonut | crazykilla726: ntfsresize |
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| 18:46.17 | Sonny | do you know how to access to another pc using samba in gnome? |
| 18:46.24 | crazykilla726 | sorry - ideas for repartitioning? |
| 18:46.37 | abrotman | Sonny: under the File menu .. connect to server |
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| 18:47.00 | opqdonut | crazykilla726: have you got unpartitioned space on your hd? |
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| 18:47.02 | Schnitz | hi all |
| 18:47.33 | Sonny | abrotman: there's some options ftp, http. etc... which one I have to chose? |
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| 18:48.31 | useruser_ | cse2: here's a way. http://pastebin.com/583844 |
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| 18:48.37 | Sonny | crazykilla726, I usually use partition magic.... to make an ext3 partition and the swap.... but if it didnt work you can use qtparted from a knoppix live cd |
| 18:48.38 | crazykilla726 | opqdonut: no, its all in my main C: partition, which is running XP, so i dont wnat to delete and repartition |
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| 18:48.44 | xaxes|free | thy loggygreg, gonna update kernel, |
| 18:48.44 | xaxes|free | bye |
| 18:48.45 | xaxes|free | ;) |
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| 18:48.47 | abrotman | Sonny: isn't there one that says like samba or CIFS or windows share? |
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| 18:49.06 | loggygreg | xaxes|free: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
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| 18:49.14 | crazykilla726 | can you use PartitionMagic to repartition iof you only have the demo? im low on cash so cant buy it.... |
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| 18:49.17 | beered | btw, whats the latest kernel? |
| 18:49.42 | Irrumator | 2.6.15.5 |
| 18:49.48 | Irrumator | Or alternatively, check kernel.org. |
| 18:49.51 | beered | uh, stat stable? |
| 18:49.52 | opqdonut | crazykilla726: well, you've got to use a partitioner that can resize ntfs, i recommend booting sysresccd (google it) and using ntfsresuze |
| 18:50.02 | Irrumator | Yes, that's the stable tree. |
| 18:50.03 | opqdonut | *ntfsresize |
| 18:50.04 | beered | Irrumator: I broke firefox. |
| 18:50.19 | Irrumator | That's why it's handy to keep lynx or links around. |
| 18:50.33 | beered | Irrumator: I though stable end on an even number. |
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| 18:51.03 | Irrumator | That refers to the second number - 6, that is. |
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| 18:51.11 | beered | Irrumator: lynx is for little girls. |
| 18:51.13 | crazykilla726 | boot off of a sysresccd CD? |
| 18:51.27 | Irrumator | Although I think they don't follow that policy anymore. |
| 18:51.42 | Irrumator | Sure, little girls who can still peruse their internet after breaking firefox. :P |
| 18:51.48 | Sonny | abrotman, I want to connect from linux to linux |
| 18:51.55 | crazykilla726 | i dont currently have linux installed - so will these linux-based repartitionaers work? |
| 18:52.04 | beered | Irrumator: pfft. :> |
| 18:52.06 | abrotman | Sonny: but the other machine is samba right? |
| 18:52.36 | Sonny | abrotman yep |
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| 18:52.42 | Sonny | both of them use samba |
| 18:52.55 | abrotman | Sonny: so what are your options for type of server in nautilus ? |
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| 18:55.22 | crazykilla726 | so do i boot off of a sysrescue CD and will it work on a system that does not have linux installed? |
| 18:55.32 | Sonny | abrotman: ssh, ftp public, ftp (with login), windows shared, webDAV, webDAV safe, |
| 18:55.34 | abrotman | to do what? |
| 18:55.41 | abrotman | Sonny: Windows Shared is what you want |
| 18:55.54 | opqdonut | crazykilla726: yes |
| 18:56.03 | opqdonut | abrotman: he wants to resize ntfs |
| 18:56.09 | opqdonut | is that possible in the installer? |
| 18:56.15 | opqdonut | wasn't when i last installed |
| 18:56.21 | abrotman | oh .. apparently my eyes are broken |
| 18:56.31 | abrotman | maybe ubcd has it? |
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| 18:56.42 | beered | Is it possible to get the latest firefox from apt testing repo's? |
| 18:56.46 | crazykilla726 | k thx |
| 18:57.15 | Irrumator | beered: What's broken about your firefox? |
| 18:57.44 | beered | Irrumator: I'm not sure. It freezes my boxen every now and than. |
| 18:57.54 | abrotman | join the club |
| 18:57.59 | Irrumator | yep |
| 18:58.01 | beered | oh |
| 18:58.04 | Irrumator | happens here too on some pages |
| 18:58.06 | Sonny | abrotman, it tells me that it's imposible to show that place |
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| 18:58.09 | beered | wow, I didn't know that was a 'lnown issue'. |
| 18:58.14 | beered | known issue |
| 18:58.32 | abrotman | Sonny: well .. if the other linux box is sharing via samba .. that's how it's supposed to work |
| 18:58.53 | crazykilla726 | will GNU Parted work on an XP system? |
| 18:59.09 | opqdonut | if there's a port it will |
| 18:59.10 | beered | abrotman, Irrumator: what do you guys use as firefox replacement? |
| 18:59.10 | Thanatermesis | i need to write a cron for backup important directories... any person knows about a tool to backup in the style of logrotate ? |
| 18:59.18 | opqdonut | haven't heard about one tho |
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| 18:59.53 | opqdonut | Thanatermesis: have a look at bacula or make something by hand, e.g tar and scp |
| 19:00.11 | Sonny | abrotman, but if I go to windows.... it works |
| 19:00.35 | abrotman | Sonny: ok .. then you've entered the wrong passwords perhaps ? |
| 19:00.38 | Sonny | abrotman, if there another way to test the connection? I mean maybe the client PC is the problem |
| 19:00.50 | abrotman | beered: opera has been my browser for a long time . |
| 19:00.55 | Thanatermesis | opqdonut thanks, i make a look to this... the idea is to backup everyday a complete dir, with a maximum of 10 backups for example |
| 19:00.55 | Sonny | abrotman, It didnt even ask me for the pass |
| 19:01.02 | abrotman | Sonny: there's an option to enter one |
| 19:01.19 | Sonny | nop |
| 19:01.22 | abrotman | yep |
| 19:01.43 | beered | sorry, I got booted. abrotman, Irrumator; what do you use as firefox replacement? |
| 19:01.49 | abrotman | beered: opera has been my browser for a long time . |
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| 19:01.57 | Irrumator | I use firefox *shrug* |
| 19:02.00 | Area-51 | could someone point me in the direction of getting Eterm to startup at position 0,0? ive got it setup in the apps file just find and it works, just trying to put it in the corner :) |
| 19:02.07 | Irrumator | I don't mind killing it now and then. |
| 19:02.26 | beered | it kills my computer though. the only way to recover is to reboot. |
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| 19:02.50 | Irrumator | What do you mean, kills your computer? Can't you open a term and kill -9 it? |
| 19:02.50 | cse2 | what does */2 do in crontab? |
| 19:03.00 | Sonny | abrotman, the windows share ask me for that: server, shared, directory, user's name, domain name, connection name |
| 19:03.18 | beered | abrotman: I'm going to try opera. is it still ad-supported? |
| 19:03.25 | abrotman | Sonny: and when you connect .. it won't ask you for a password? |
| 19:03.26 | abrotman | beered: no |
| 19:03.40 | Thanatermesis | woha, backup-manager looks pretty =) and using debconf and cron directly :o |
| 19:03.45 | abrotman | Sonny: i know it works .. |
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| 19:05.06 | Sonny | abrotman, I was expecting for that, but it didnt ask me for the pass |
| 19:05.35 | abrotman | Sonny: i've used the nautilus thing to connect to samba and NT shares ... |
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| 19:06.09 | beered | anyone using vmware? it works just fine, but I don't know how to 'share' the files between linux and wmvare winddows. |
| 19:06.35 | Area-51 | beered: there is an option for file sharing during setup, it creates a small smb server |
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| 19:06.57 | beered | Area-51: oh, cool. is it possible to confg that after the installation? |
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| 19:08.43 | beered | abrotman: Opera is very smooth looking. I might switch completley. |
| 19:08.51 | crazykilla726 | can firefox run an irc window like in Opera? |
| 19:09.08 | Area-51 | beered: i believe you may need to run vmware-config.pl (iirc thats what the file is), otherwise there should be something in the virtual machine settings |
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| 19:09.19 | guk | the only shitty thing about opera is you need it to identify as IE |
| 19:09.20 | abrotman | beered: up to you .. remember .. it's not truly free |
| 19:09.25 | abrotman | guk: no |
| 19:09.25 | guk | or else the web is really held back for you |
| 19:09.34 | beered | Area-51: thanks. I'll look it up. |
| 19:09.34 | guk | abrotman: yes |
| 19:09.47 | abrotman | guk: i use opera ... and don't ID as IE |
| 19:09.47 | Gathond | guk: just avoid MS sites, and I am usually fine |
| 19:09.52 | guk | ive had numerous sites not work because it's identified as opera ... the second I dropped it to IE ... it worked |
| 19:10.04 | Gathond | guk: of cause I never see them as they look in IE |
| 19:10.12 | abrotman | guk: maybe i don't go to those sites :) |
| 19:10.12 | beered | abrotman: not free as in OOS-free, or not free as in ad's and pop ups? |
| 19:10.13 | guk | oh ... it's not just MS ... most sites support *mozilla *IE *safari ... anything else ... they go "oh you suck" |
| 19:10.21 | abrotman | beered: it's not open source .. just beer-free |
| 19:10.21 | guk | operas free |
| 19:10.25 | guk | just not opensource |
| 19:10.41 | guk | meh ... it's a quality browser and doesn't take 500mb of RAM like another popular gecko based browser |
| 19:10.43 | pipeline | crazykilla726: Regular mozilla does. Firefox requires you to use plugins to get any actual useful features. Use regular mozilla :P |
| 19:10.45 | guk | ;) |
| 19:10.46 | beered | abrotman: I can live with that. |
| 19:11.00 | Gathond | guk: most I've encountered has a screw you and you ropinion and let me in link :) |
| 19:11.10 | Gathond | guk: usually they work just fine for me |
| 19:11.18 | guk | ive gotten just lack of a working site |
| 19:11.22 | Sonny | abrotman, maybe the settings of my client pc are wrong, like the domain name, etc... where can I check that options? |
| 19:11.22 | guk | doesn't bother me ... |
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| 19:11.39 | guk | ive used opera since 5.1 |
| 19:11.46 | HazyNRG_ | how can i auto set up an interface like eth0:0 at boot? |
| 19:11.51 | guk | I remember having to find the crack ... because of course I bought it |
| 19:11.52 | abrotman | guk: you forgot .. it's wicked fast |
| 19:12.00 | abrotman | Sonny: should all be in that dialog |
| 19:12.01 | guk | yeah ... used it on my PPro 200MHz |
| 19:12.15 | Daemon666 | knowone know any software for windows to backup a whole HDD with multiple partitions? |
| 19:12.18 | guk | just recently started using it again |
| 19:12.19 | Daemon666 | anyone* |
| 19:12.19 | abrotman | guk: yeah .. i've been on it since 5.x |
| 19:12.27 | abrotman | Daemon666: wrong channel |
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| 19:12.50 | guk | speaking of backing up a HDD ... im looking for somthing to "clone" a HDD ... it's RAID ... but I want to make an exact clone so in the event one of my HDD's dies ... I can just reimage the drive |
| 19:12.50 | crazykilla726_op | Opera runs irc? Im going opera! |
| 19:12.51 | Daemon666 | abortman - well im wanting to backup a debian partition as well |
| 19:13.03 | abrotman | Daemon666: you said software for windows .. |
| 19:13.05 | crazykilla726_op | firefox doesnt have this feature does it? |
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| 19:13.10 | guk | I use irssi ... and if I want to proxy into irssi on * client |
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| 19:13.16 | guk | yeah it does ... chatzilla ... |
| 19:13.19 | abrotman | crazykilla726_op: chatzilla |
| 19:13.20 | crazykilla726_op | o |
| 19:13.24 | crazykilla726_op | as an extension? |
| 19:13.26 | Daemon666 | abortman - yea but people in here use windows and have a brain and can help me |
| 19:13.44 | Sonny | abrotman, but whwn you install debian... I asked questions about domain name, etc |
| 19:13.50 | guk | use norton ... ghost I think it is ... I used it I never had it work right tho .. |
| 19:14.05 | Daemon666 | thanks guk |
| 19:14.09 | guk | but that's because Im usually ghosting a IDE drive and trying to boot windows off a sata and it shits out |
| 19:14.17 | guk | MS's only solution is to reinstall windows |
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| 19:14.42 | abrotman | Daemon666: so do the idiots in ##windows .. go join them |
| 19:14.45 | guk | but for linux ... how would I backup somthing similar to ghost ... |
| 19:14.57 | wols | Daemon666: cygwin dd can do what you want. easily |
| 19:15.07 | wols | abrotman: don't be so hostile. give the man the answer he needs |
| 19:15.12 | guk | I just want an image so if my IDE drive breaks I can just replace it and recopy the image off a DVD or somthing |
| 19:15.19 | abrotman | wols: he's asking about windows shit in #debian .. piss off |
| 19:15.25 | Daemon666 | thanks wols |
| 19:15.36 | wols | abrotman: now dd is a mighty fine program, everyone should use it |
| 19:15.39 | guk | I would just use the norton ghost suite ... it's avalable on piratebay for free |
| 19:15.48 | abrotman | wols: fine .. go to ##windows and tell him that |
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| 19:16.09 | guk | I was thinking about using ghost to backup my linux machine but it won't read the software raid |
| 19:16.09 | wols | guk: infringe on copyrights elsewhere please |
| 19:16.10 | crazykilla726 | If you back up onto a separate partition - will the backup be destroyed in event of virus or no? |
| 19:16.32 | guk | infringe ... im assuming he owns a copy and lost the origional ... in which case it's completely free and legal to download yourself a backup copy |
| 19:16.39 | guk | if he chooses to infringe on them ... it's not my problem now is it |
| 19:16.50 | wols | crazykilla726: it's not a backup if the hdd you back up to is in the same machine. it's just a waste of diskspace |
| 19:17.02 | wols | guk: no it is not legal |
| 19:17.10 | guk | sure it is ... |
| 19:17.23 | guk | same thing with windows ... you can pirate windows and use a ligit license ... it's totally legal |
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| 19:17.45 | wols | guk: no. cause he uses BT and that implies he's sharing that copy again directly to others. and that's infringement. if you make up bullshit excuses please make good ones |
| 19:17.50 | guk | oh ? |
| 19:18.13 | guk | meh ... I don't care really ... as long as I get what I want ... and it works ... meh ... |
| 19:18.17 | abrotman | wols: depends on your country of residence |
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| 19:18.27 | Gathond | wols: depending on location the infringement might be the actual unlicensed usage, not downloading it as such |
| 19:18.28 | Econael | I am configuring the xserver and he asks me what type of keyboard I have (microsoft natural keyboard) where can I look if there is a special pcXXX for this model? |
| 19:18.34 | wols | abrotman: tell me a country that hasn't yet signed the berne convention... |
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| 19:18.46 | Stevie | wols: freedonia hasn't |
| 19:18.47 | abrotman | north korea afaik ... |
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| 19:19.05 | wols | Stevie: freedonia is what? are they diplomatically recognized? |
| 19:19.12 | guk | so no ones got a solution for my backup woes ... :( |
| 19:19.22 | Gathond | guk dd? |
| 19:19.23 | wols | abrotman: NK has no computers or movies or music, so they don't need it |
| 19:19.35 | guk | can you dd off a raid-0 partition without shit hitting the fan |
| 19:19.54 | guk | like dd off a raid-0 ... then in the future pull it off raid and extract it into a regular HDD setup ? |
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| 19:20.03 | Gathond | guk: I would think so |
| 19:20.13 | blondie | guk: yes |
| 19:20.14 | Gathond | guk: as long as the raid is seen as a logical block device |
| 19:20.18 | abrotman | wols: don't tell them that |
| 19:20.19 | nvz | abrotman: I'm still just trying to convince these people I caught em with their hand in my pocket |
| 19:20.28 | abrotman | nvz: if they jerk you off .. does it matter? |
| 19:20.35 | nvz | abrotman: last lady spoke english, but sure didnt understand |
| 19:20.43 | prp | wich is faster gzip or bz2 ? |
| 19:20.45 | guk | hmm ... well ... yeah ... but SMB has a 2gb file limit ... so copying my 7gb of stuff into one "7gb" file won't work ... |
| 19:20.59 | abrotman | prp: gzip .. bz2 will be smaller |
| 19:21.01 | Gathond | prp: gzip, but bz2 packs more |
| 19:21.02 | blondie | split it then |
| 19:21.13 | nvz | abrotman: I dont know what part of this they dont understand.. I narrowed it down now.. I dont know how to read their bills, but I figured it out and the format is standard, but very confusing even to them. |
| 19:21.20 | Econael | I am configuring the xserver and he asks me what type of keyboard I have (microsoft natural keyboard) where can I look if there is a special pcXXX for this model? |
| 19:21.24 | guk | hmm ... okay ... i'll giver goes |
| 19:22.11 | guk | http://www.acronis.com/enterprise/products/ATISLin/ |
| 19:22.14 | guk | hmm this looks kinda nice |
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| 19:22.26 | guk | sounds a little too intense ... but i'll get it |
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| 19:23.05 | blondie | guk: looks like BS to me |
| 19:23.09 | cyzie | im looking for simple, easy rss feeder for my laptop. i dont want rss feeder to be integrate to firefox and/or email cilents. anybody know? |
| 19:23.12 | nvz | abrotman: they got a jan30 bill they charged me a total of $155 like $30 from previous balance and like $125 for "Monthly Charges" and when you break down those charges it shows me paying for minutes and features for Dec29-Jan28, and duplicate everything for Jan29-Feb28 |
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| 19:23.26 | blondie | guk: how is that program different to dd? |
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| 19:23.36 | Kernel_core | hi all |
| 19:23.40 | mbishop | Is there a way to get emacs-color-themes to install with an emacs-snapshot package? it wants emacs21, but I built emacs from cvs a while back, and installed emacs-color-theme outside of debian and it worked pretty well |
| 19:23.47 | wols | blondie: it's prettier probably |
| 19:23.53 | nvz | abrotman: then they sent me a different bill showing $155 previous balance and like $75 or something for normal minutes and services for Jan29-Feb28 |
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| 19:24.00 | blondie | wols: all the difference |
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| 19:24.33 | nvz | abrotman: I keep trying to tell them they are adding up the same thing twice and saying its only being charged once. |
| 19:24.38 | bojangles | some help please -- installed debian in vmware to try it out but cant get xserver to start. could this be because of vmware? |
| 19:24.57 | sepski | bojangles, did you install the vmware-tools and use the vmware x driver =? |
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| 19:25.10 | bojangles | nope. whats an x driver? |
| 19:25.16 | seljak | hello |
| 19:25.19 | seljak | i need help |
| 19:25.23 | sepski | bojangles, the driver that makes your xserver work |
| 19:25.28 | seljak | how can i open port ? |
| 19:25.34 | seljak | iptable dont work |
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| 19:25.46 | sepski | !wont work |
| 19:26.05 | seljak | somebody know ? |
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| 19:26.14 | Nurbs | seljak: depends on how you closed it in the first place |
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| 19:26.40 | guk | blondie: 699 for a nice GUI for dd :D |
| 19:26.53 | guk | blondie: but im not paying 699 so it's all good right ... i'll check it out and tell you how it is |
| 19:26.58 | seljak | Nurbs: i dont know how i close it |
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| 19:27.07 | seljak | i try made ircd and port block me |
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| 19:27.34 | Aghaster | hi |
| 19:27.42 | blondie | guk: very naughty or something |
| 19:27.51 | abrotman | nvz: do you hate sprint? |
| 19:27.54 | sepski | seljak, perhaps your behind nat router and you actualy want to know about port forwarding ? |
| 19:27.56 | Nurbs | seljak: it's probably your router. by default no ports are blocked in debian. |
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| 19:28.15 | bojangles | what do i need to type in to start Xserver configuration? |
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| 19:28.25 | nvz | abrotman: I just want the fuckers to stop shutting my phone off, ruining my credit, and to kiss my ass |
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| 19:28.35 | nvz | abrotman: is that too much to ask? |
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| 19:28.48 | guk | about 10 years we can set fire to our routers cause each person on the earth will have a /64 of ipv6 IP's which is 18 quintillion (18 with 9 0's ) IP's :D |
| 19:28.48 | Nurbs | I'd like to see some conservative port filter installed on Debian by default, mhm. But we don't have that... :) |
| 19:28.50 | sepski | !tell bojangles about drxx |
| 19:28.54 | abrotman | nvz: get a beer too! |
| 19:28.55 | wols | blondie: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 19:29.09 | sepski | bojangles, ofcouse that's not much point in unless in install vmware-tools |
| 19:29.22 | seljak | Nurbs: hehe |
| 19:29.23 | nvz | abrotman: I dont know how many sprint employees heard me say if I cant trust sprint I cant give them any money, and if they cant make this bill sound logical I cant trust em |
| 19:29.25 | sepski | bojangles, perhaps you could use VESA driver |
| 19:29.38 | sepski | but the performance would suck probably |
| 19:29.46 | blondie | wols: huh? |
| 19:29.49 | Nurbs | guk: 10 years if we're lucky :) about 10 years ago people were saying that everybody would run IPv6 by now ;) |
| 19:29.52 | seljak | Nurbs: u know how i unblocked ports on router ? |
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| 19:30.08 | Nurbs | seljak: read your router's documentation |
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| 19:30.15 | bojangles | sepski, dont care about performance... in first configuration of xserver i chose ATI driver. was that a mistake? |
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| 19:30.20 | nvz | abrotman: I got the damn pdf files.. two different ones two different billing periods.. showing the exact same charges for the _exact_ same dates. |
| 19:30.32 | Aghaster | when trying to change keyboard layout, i have no other option than the american one. could this be caused by xorg not having the good rules for the kb config? |
| 19:30.40 | Nurbs | seljak: you might not need to unblock but forward it, as has been said |
| 19:30.48 | nvz | abrotman: I tell them I'll pay it off in full right now if they put in writing I am paid until May28 |
| 19:31.12 | nvz | oh and kiss my ass |
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| 19:31.57 | seljak | Nurbs: Tenx for help. |
| 19:32.24 | bojangles | sepski, how do i choose VESA driver? |
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| 19:32.53 | wols | blondie: I blame my irc client's nick complete :) |
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| 19:33.07 | abrotman | nvz: it's only for 9 months? |
| 19:33.17 | beered | Is cxoffice running indefinatley as shareware, or it stops working after a while? |
| 19:33.21 | nvz | abrotman: eh? |
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| 19:35.41 | abrotman | YOU TOOK MY MONEY .. I'M GONNA KICK YOUR ASS .. YEAH .. YOU BETTER RUN .. KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU |
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| 19:36.07 | bojangles | hey sepski, got VESA running. THANKS A BUNCH! |
| 19:36.17 | nvz | abrotman: if they have one for Dec29-Jan28 bill showing a break down of $125 "monthly charges" for 400min Dec29-Jan28, web, sms, night&weekend minutes, and mobile to mobile, then adds all those dollars to the 200min for Jan29-Feb28 and all those features.. then I get another bill for Jan29-Feb28 a with that $125 being added to "Monthly Charges" for 200min..etc for Jan29-Feb28 .. blah not getting a dime from me |
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| 19:36.58 | lapa | test |
| 19:37.12 | nvz | abrotman: they prorated my month there cause I asked to have less minutes next month and wanted it in advance.. now they want it twice *shrug* |
| 19:37.19 | fantomas | Hi. How to enable MIDI? pmidi -l prints: "Could not open sequencer No such file or directory"; also cat /dev/sndstat says: "Midi devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG"; lsmod | grep midi prints: "snd_rawmidi 20768 1 snd_mpu401_uart". |
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| 19:38.38 | nvz | abrotman: I think what it comes down to is they dont know what the english word "monthly" means and use it way too frequently |
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| 19:39.07 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:39.09 | giacus | hello |
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| 19:39.59 | giacus | anyone know of any scripts that can show weather in a console ? |
| 19:39.59 | nvz | I keep getting upset cause I have been on and off the phone since 8am and its almost 3pm.. they keep making me think I am crazy and I go back and do the math again and again.. and call back and they are still wrong every time and my head just hurts more from reading a bunch of badly formatted pdf files again |
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| 19:40.47 | nvz | if they can convince me that shit makes sense I'll be happy, but I dont think there's a chance in hell I am gonna believe that its not exactly what it looks like. |
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| 19:42.03 | hekate | is anyone here expierenced with upgrading to debian from damn small linux? |
| 19:42.07 | Thanatermesis | kernels in 686 is perfectly compatible with all x86 machines, correct ? |
| 19:42.16 | Thanatermesis | (intel/amd) |
| 19:42.26 | nvz | hekate: upgrading? heh |
| 19:42.44 | Gathond | Thanatermesis: no, only those from 686 and up |
| 19:42.45 | nvz | debtakeover |
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| 19:43.02 | Gathond | Thanatermesis: dont try to boot a 486, 586 or 386 using a 686 kernel |
| 19:43.07 | raf256` | krusader sucks ass |
| 19:43.13 | raf256` | is there any other nice GUI file browser? |
| 19:43.25 | raf256` | supporting remote files like via ssh sftp scp |
| 19:43.30 | Gathond | Thanatermesis: anything recent should run with a i686 kernel I think |
| 19:43.36 | Thanatermesis | Gathond, pentium 1 = 586 =? |
| 19:43.36 | hekate | I started with a dsl on hd install, but then made it to use the apt, but I don't know if you can make it so you can make/compile things, what packages would you need, or is doing that not worth the time? |
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| 19:43.45 | Gathond | Thanatermesis: yes |
| 19:43.54 | Thanatermesis | oh... i need then a 386 kernel... |
| 19:44.15 | Thanatermesis | maybe some persons has a pentium 1 machine :) |
| 19:44.23 | raf256` | what is name of some graphical file browser, like "mc" but with X gui |
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| 19:44.27 | Thanatermesis | and i don't look really a "speed" diference between this kernels |
| 19:44.42 | Thanatermesis | i don't think to has any optimization diference |
| 19:44.45 | wols | hekate: we don't support damn small linux. this is #debian |
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| 19:45.05 | wols | raf256`: rox filer |
| 19:45.17 | wols | oh you mean a NC clone. sorry |
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| 19:46.08 | ma3x | my toolbar crashed |
| 19:46.11 | ma3x | how do I launch it again |
| 19:46.15 | hekate | yes, I know, but just was wondering since it becomes a debian-like install |
| 19:46.26 | nvz | ma3x: what toolbar |
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| 19:46.56 | ma3x | nvz, I think kicker?? in kde! |
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| 19:47.06 | nvz | umm run kicker |
| 19:47.19 | ma3x | lol thanks! |
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| 19:49.07 | roxy_ | I got empty iptables(checking with iptables -L). When I do "telnet localhost 631" I can connect, but "telnet 192.169.0.1" doesn't connect. Why? |
| 19:49.10 | nvz | I am gonna have to let these people know they are getting paid, I've been on their support line for 8 hours just trying to pay them |
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| 19:49.30 | mbishop | what the hell is 192.169? |
| 19:49.38 | nvz | I am loosing and they are winning regaurdless I dont see why we cant make a deal |
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| 19:49.47 | roxy_ | oops, I meant 192.168.0.1 |
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| 19:49.56 | wols | roxy_: check if cups listens on interface 192.168.0.1 |
| 19:50.02 | blondie | roxy_: you probably mean 168, also, localhost is 127.0.0.1, not the other IP address |
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| 19:50.46 | Kernel_Core | hi all |
| 19:50.52 | lapa | hi |
| 19:50.58 | pipeline | How can I blacklist modules with udev? |
| 19:51.03 | xaxes|free | hey its me again -- anybody who could help me with my mouse ? it isnt controllable.. if i move it, all open windows get closed and my cursors jumps in the left bodom corner |
| 19:51.05 | xaxes|free | any ideas? |
| 19:51.06 | nvz | I the longer it takes me to get this resolved the more legitimate the charges are cause I will eventually owe it to em.. they know that.. thats why they dont give a shit. |
| 19:51.07 | pipeline | i.e. stop them from being loaded at all |
| 19:51.09 | lapa | jest tu jakis Polak? |
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| 19:51.18 | pipeline | lapa: join #debian.pl |
| 19:51.24 | lapa | thx |
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| 19:52.05 | Kernel_Core | I want to install asterisk-h323 1.2.4 |
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| 19:52.18 | Kernel_Core | it seems there is no way to install it on DEBIAN ! |
| 19:52.20 | file-exists-p | hi people |
| 19:52.20 | roxy_ | wols: how? I went throught the /etc/cups/cupsd.conf file and couldn't find the line to change. :( |
| 19:52.22 | ma3x | how can I play those stupid .wmv music videos? |
| 19:52.26 | nvz | pipeline: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udev#Blacklisting_Modules |
| 19:52.37 | roxy_ | ma3x: mplayer |
| 19:52.39 | pipeline | nvz: I found that with google. It's arch-specific. |
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| 19:52.59 | file-exists-p | Is it me, or is cpufreqd in unstable buggy ? |
| 19:53.02 | nvz | pipeline: oh really? heh.. me too.. was the first hit |
| 19:53.08 | wols | roxy_: have you tried to connect to 192.168.0.1? not 169? |
| 19:53.09 | pipeline | nvz: I'm not an idiot. :P |
| 19:53.14 | nvz | pipeline: wtf did our udev maint do confuse us? |
| 19:53.21 | roxy_ | wols: yes :-) |
| 19:53.23 | wols | roxy_: and to check, just use netstat -anp |grep LIST |grep 631 |
| 19:53.38 | nvz | pipeline: if he didnt write docs he shouldnt have changed anything :P |
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| 19:54.15 | pipeline | nvz: Heh, this is actually a fundamental problem with udev. The upstream is totally fucking brain-damaged, too. |
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| 19:54.49 | nvz | pipeline: I am an idiot.. I have been on the phone for like 7 hours begging this company to take the money I owe them and be satisfied |
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| 19:55.05 | roxy_ | wols: I nmap 127.0.0.1 and found port 631, I nmap 192.168.0.1 and found no port 631 |
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| 19:55.14 | roxy_ | doing netstat now |
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| 19:55.17 | blondie | how can you be on the phone for 7 hours? |
| 19:55.22 | nvz | pipeline: I'm listening to gay hold music right now |
| 19:55.26 | wols | roxy_: do NOT nmap, sheesh. it's your own box, use netstat |
| 19:55.40 | pipeline | nvz: Hey, I didn't have internet access for two weeks because I didn't hav ethe utility money :P |
| 19:55.40 | blondie | nvz: how is it gay? |
| 19:55.42 | wols | blondie: local calls are free in the US :) |
| 19:55.54 | blondie | wols: that's not what i meant |
| 19:55.57 | pipeline | blondie: It's "Frankie Goes To Hollywood" and "Wham!" back to back. |
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| 19:56.08 | blondie | i see |
| 19:56.31 | Econael | how do I start konqueror with root privilege (kdesu doesnt work, I'm using debian for the first time) |
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| 19:57.03 | duncf | Econael: why would you want to? |
| 19:57.14 | roxy_ | wols: netstat -anp | grep 631 gives 127.0.0.1 answer only. |
| 19:57.21 | nvz | blondie: http://ntl.matrix.com.br/pfilho/html/lyrics/n/nightshift.txt |
| 19:57.31 | Econael | duncf: i want to download opera and save it to /root |
| 19:57.39 | blondie | er right |
| 19:57.39 | wols | roxy_: then you need to change the cups config somewhere |
| 19:57.45 | nvz | pipeline: Oh I got the money, I just ain't giving that kind of money to someone I cant trust |
| 19:57.49 | Econael | duncf: and i am sure i will need it later somewhen |
| 19:57.56 | nvz | pipeline: they've given me more than enough reason not to trust them |
| 19:58.03 | duncf | Econael: eek... just download it as a regular user, and then use sudo / su to copy it where you want it |
| 19:58.20 | nvz | pipeline: one ass redirected me to the spanish automated system thought he was funny |
| 19:58.32 | duncf | Econael: it can be dangerous to use programs like web browsers as root |
| 19:58.42 | roxy_ | wols: well, going back to cupsd.conf then. thanks for your help :-) |
| 19:58.44 | Econael | duncf: yeah i know this option but isnt there a thing like kdesu in debian? |
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| 19:59.08 | duncf | Econael: i don't know... ive never needed it :-) |
| 19:59.15 | Econael | ok |
| 19:59.18 | Econael | whats sudo ? |
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| 19:59.30 | Econael | nvm ill figure it out |
| 19:59.32 | wols | man sudo, apt-cache show sudo |
| 19:59.33 | duncf | man sudo |
| 19:59.35 | Econael | thx, cya |
| 19:59.39 | duncf | :-) |
| 20:01.04 | [Jamez] | Hey, i've got a stupid question... as long as the USB modules are loaded lsusb should show any USB device I plug in, regardless if I have the required usb mass storage modules loaded, right? |
| 20:01.26 | nvz | [Jamez]: in theory |
| 20:01.47 | nvz | [Jamez]: In practice every usb mass storage device is not in fact always a mass storage device. |
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| 20:02.13 | nlibbler | hey what java package is better blackdown or the sun package? |
| 20:02.19 | nlibbler | I am just learning java |
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| 20:03.07 | nvz | [Jamez]: my mp3 player for examample turns on powered by usb and goes into mass storage mode as soon as the voltage trickles into the port. now cell phones, digi cams.. sometimes have many different purposes for their serial ports.. adn have different modes they can be in, and often have to be told specifically to go into mass storage mode |
| 20:03.11 | [Jamez] | nvz: I had previously set up my debian box and had my PSP running perfectly. and it loaded fine as a usb mass storage devices...I reinstalled debian and it doesn't list it anymore. I can't figure out what I fucked up. and I'm no newbie. I've been using linux for about 8 years now. |
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| 20:06.28 | Econael | how do I install a .deb file? |
| 20:06.39 | nvz | Econael dpkg -i |
| 20:06.44 | [Jamez] | Econael: dpkg -i <file.deb> |
| 20:06.45 | Econael | thx |
| 20:07.14 | beered | Opera doesn't handle RSS the same way firefox does (folders/subfolders). Is there RSS reader or something that can organize and read RSS nicer than opera? |
| 20:08.24 | [Jamez] | beered: I've always liked liferea |
| 20:08.55 | beered | [Jamez]: I'm not using Gnome though. |
| 20:09.36 | [Jamez] | beered: ahh...which window manager are you running? |
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| 20:10.06 | beered | [Jamez]: flux |
| 20:10.29 | cjnodell | Hello all |
| 20:10.45 | crazykilla726 | i know this is really off topic - but does anyone know where i can get teh surce code for SkiFree? |
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| 20:11.07 | cjnodell | I was wondering if anyone knew when firefox 1.5 would be coming to etch? |
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| 20:11.39 | [Jamez] | beered: you can always use raggle |
| 20:12.35 | [Jamez] | beered: or rawdog can convert them into HTML for you |
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| 20:13.36 | beered | [Jamez]: yes, it seems there are tons of aggregators out there. |
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| 20:14.48 | [Jamez] | beered: yes, there are... its just all about which one formats them the way you like, really. |
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| 20:15.28 | [Jamez] | beered: rawdog can take a predefined HTML template and format them however you like... you just have to view it in a browser which seems like a silly extra step to me. |
| 20:15.50 | HomelandSecurity | Lo all, great times ahead |
| 20:15.50 | beered | [Jamez]: I'll just try a few and see how it goes. |
| 20:15.59 | [Jamez] | beered: good idea...thats what I did. |
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| 20:16.23 | [Jamez] | HomelandSecurity: stop bush from giving our ports to the terrorists. |
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| 20:16.46 | swordlaw | hello |
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| 20:17.06 | swordlaw | need help with installation |
| 20:17.13 | [Jamez] | swordlaw: whats the problem? |
| 20:17.32 | HomelandSecurity | [Jamez]: youre underestimating the power of the exxillimant coders, kneel! :) |
| 20:17.33 | swordlaw | when i boot from the CD.... |
| 20:18.02 | swordlaw | it stops when searching for aic7xxx module |
| 20:18.16 | swordlaw | for ADAPTEC-7850 |
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| 20:19.05 | blazefx | Hey all |
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| 20:19.24 | blazefx | When ever I try to apt-get install anything I get multiple erros from /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 20:20.06 | [Jamez] | swordlaw: interesting...I suppose you really want it to load your SCSI controllers, eh? |
| 20:20.10 | blazefx | It says Errors were encountered while proccessing the following: |
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| 20:20.39 | blazefx | and then it says sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned and error code (1) |
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| 20:20.41 | swordlaw | i didn't pass any parameters to the kernel to start with |
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| 20:21.05 | cjaymes | wasn't there a rfc & html standard package? ie, download local copies of the standards? |
| 20:21.12 | [Jamez] | swordlaw: You wouldn't have to- debian will auto-probe for your devices... usually works fairly well |
| 20:21.56 | swordlaw | but what do you think it's happenin then? |
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| 20:22.14 | cjaymes | maybe not as well as windows, but at least debian *correctly* idenitifies the devices :) |
| 20:22.17 | [Jamez] | swordlaw: I'm not sure... it doesn't produce an error for you? |
| 20:22.27 | swordlaw | nope |
| 20:22.41 | ResPiDeR | why there are only 10,11 and 12 images in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd? where do I find oficial etch image 1 and 2? |
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| 20:23.00 | [Jamez] | cjaymes: you can't blame debian... manufacturers don't support linux often enough :(... Hopefully they'll start after windows is banned in a few countries for not following their anti-trust suits. |
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| 20:23.25 | [Jamez] | swordlaw: are you installing it on a box now, or did you reboot to come ask for help? |
| 20:23.41 | cjaymes | [Jamez], true enough; ms is now countersuing for collusion though, I'll be watching how that goes |
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| 20:24.30 | [Jamez] | cjaymes: They wont win. Nobody likes windows.. Just too many stupid people to get around using it...I think thats why mac really started up w/intel. |
| 20:24.38 | cjaymes | so no one remembers rfc packages...wonder where I came up with that |
| 20:24.45 | swordlaw | I'm trying to install it and I searched the www, but i don't have answers |
| 20:25.07 | [Jamez] | swordlaw: try going to your 2nd virtual terminal...see if its hardlocking or if its just stalling for some reason. |
| 20:25.35 | cjaymes | [Jamez], yeah, most people (even in low income schools, where they would benefit greatly) haven't even heard the word "linux" or if they did, didn't hear an explanation |
| 20:26.09 | cjaymes | there have to be evangelism charities out there; must be underfunded |
| 20:26.13 | [Jamez] | cjaymes: I think its because us geeks like to feel special... we'd have to find something else to run that was more difficult if everybody could use linux. |
| 20:26.23 | cjaymes | [Jamez], hurd :) |
| 20:26.41 | cjaymes | but at least everyone would be using linux |
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| 20:27.14 | [Jamez] | cjaymes: I wonder if that would hinder the software community... we all know linux users aren't willing to pay for software. |
| 20:27.54 | cjaymes | [Jamez], they may not be willing to pay, but imagine converting all the script kiddies into linux programmers |
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| 20:28.06 | cjaymes | making their output actually useful |
| 20:28.08 | swordlaw | [ [Jamez] ] thanx but i dun have a Linux installed Yet.....do you know if it is a module that my PC should have? or if it comes with Debian? |
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| 20:28.29 | [Jamez] | swordlaw: do you have a SCSI controller? |
| 20:28.35 | SunDevil | when tring to install curl, i got this: php4-curl: Depends: php4-common (= 4:4.3.10-16) but 4:4.4.1-0.dotdeb.3 is to be installed |
| 20:28.45 | SunDevil | how can i solve that? |
| 20:28.47 | swordlaw | Yes |
| 20:28.57 | [Jamez] | swordlaw: then you probably want that module loaded. |
| 20:28.59 | cindy | i can not find out why firefox started crashing |
| 20:29.05 | SunDevil | runnign on stable |
| 20:29.12 | cjaymes | SunDevil, usually that means the package developer needs to update something; just wait a day or two |
| 20:29.24 | SunDevil | cjaymes: alright |
| 20:29.36 | cjaymes | SunDevil, you can also go back a version or two; they should be happy |
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| 20:29.43 | swordlaw | you saying to pass that parameter to the kernel ? |
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| 20:29.49 | SunDevil | cjaymes: back with php4-common you mean? |
| 20:29.55 | SunDevil | how do i do that? |
| 20:30.09 | SunDevil | already at stable |
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| 20:30.28 | cjaymes | SunDevil, freeze its version somehow; depends on your apt-get |
| 20:30.40 | [Jamez] | swordlaw: Actually, I honestly don't think I can help you...I'm sure somebody else here will wake up in a few and know the answer... I'm not sure why it would freeze after trying to load that module. |
| 20:31.14 | swordlaw | [ [Jamez] ] ok thanx |
| 20:31.41 | [Jamez] | swordlaw: be patient... Most linux geeks teach themselves everything they know... I've got no SCSI experience. I'm sure one of these guys is smarter then I am. |
| 20:31.55 | jeef | is there an option for sshd's config to restrict access to only authenticated users? (ssh keys) |
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| 20:32.36 | swordlaw | [ [Jamez] ] right, thank you again |
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| 20:33.27 | dondelelcaro | swordlaw: that usually means that it tried to load aic7xxx and failed; alternatively, the cd that you're using is bad. |
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| 20:35.02 | swordlaw | [ dondelelcaro ] ok I'll try downloading a new copy......but it is the 5th |
| 20:35.12 | [Jamez] | swordlaw: do you know what SCSI controller your using, exactly? Try searching some linux hardware compatability pages... see if others had problems w/your controller and if they have any solutions |
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| 20:35.50 | swordlaw | ok, I'll do it !! |
| 20:36.34 | [Jamez] | ...does anybody else here hate USB devices, or is it just me? |
| 20:37.02 | SlammerXP | [Jamez]: just you, I think |
| 20:37.08 | SlammerXP | i kinda like usb |
| 20:37.27 | cindy | where can i find out why firefox crashed |
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| 20:38.24 | [Jamez] | SlammerXP: I never have any luck with them... always a day or two of messing around before I get anything working. |
| 20:38.37 | SlammerXP | [Jamez]: sounds like pilot error to me :) |
| 20:38.50 | [Jamez] | SlammerXP: I think I'm just going to blame my VIA chipset. |
| 20:38.55 | CosmoDad | trying to run wpa_supplicant on a box but it would give the following error: pa_supplicant: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 20:39.07 | CosmoDad | it does work on my laptop, however, that doesn't have any libssl.so.4 |
| 20:39.14 | CosmoDad | can anyone tell me how to debug this? |
| 20:39.16 | HomelandSecurity | Debain... if a hawkwind come into this channel, toss the fucker out asap... been rotten for months |
| 20:39.26 | prp | what was the command that told me the time a script took to execute ? |
| 20:39.27 | HomelandSecurity | harassing devs |
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| 20:39.46 | MatBoy | Someone know how I kill a mdadm -a process that is in uninterruptible sleep |
| 20:39.48 | MatBoy | ? |
| 20:40.21 | [Jamez] | kill -9 <proccessID> doesn't do it? |
| 20:40.26 | dondelelcaro | MatBoy: that usually means that something is really wrong with your drives. You can't kill processes in D. |
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| 20:40.51 | MatBoy | indeed, but what should I do with it ? |
| 20:40.59 | MatBoy | just pull the drive ? |
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| 20:41.19 | SlammerXP | MatBoy: hire a dance band and ask them to play "Abide with me" |
| 20:41.45 | MatBoy | dondelelcaro, Strange thing is that the SWAP in raid1 is still available |
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| 20:41.59 | teclo | How can I install kqemu on Debian Sarge ? |
| 20:42.00 | MatBoy | all the other ones are down |
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| 20:43.58 | HomelandSecurity | HawkWind in channel #mandriva and #osx on freenode has |
| 20:43.59 | HomelandSecurity | been evil towards devs for months, boot his ass!!! |
| 20:44.06 | dondelelcaro | MatBoy: sure, it may be... |
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| 20:44.35 | MatBoy | I will remove it and add a new ine |
| 20:44.37 | MatBoy | one |
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| 20:44.48 | MatBoy | I think it doesn't need a reboot |
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| 20:44.51 | HomelandSecurity | Lindeman. Lilo!! etc... Mandriva using my apps probably doesnt approve of him |
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| 20:45.29 | HomelandSecurity | osx user, even faked support on gproftpd |
| 20:45.37 | roxy_ | trying to build kernel 2.6 on a 2.4 host(sarge), I got a undefined reference to voyager_status :( |
| 20:45.40 | The_And1 | I'm trying to install realplayer for linux. I downloaded the rpm from real.com/linux then I used alien to convert it after that i used dpkg to install it but the command realplayer doesn't work |
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| 20:46.12 | roxy_ | The_And1: what about mplayer? |
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| 20:46.27 | The_And1 | can you stream .ram files via mplayer? |
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| 20:47.40 | MatBoy | dondelelcaro, will this D automaticly go away ? |
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| 20:47.47 | roxy_ | The_And1: I couldn't manage the BBC ram file. (but it doesn't mean it is not possible :-) |
| 20:47.56 | The_And1 | ok |
| 20:48.55 | SunDevil | damn |
| 20:49.01 | SunDevil | downggraded php4-common |
| 20:49.03 | SunDevil | and instlal curl |
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| 20:49.09 | SunDevil | but now php wot connet to databse |
| 20:49.23 | SunDevil | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() |
| 20:49.35 | SunDevil | phpinfo lists mysql in supported databases |
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| 20:49.44 | SunDevil | i have no idea where to look |
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| 20:50.07 | blondie | why is the paper etc in BSG octagonal?! |
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| 20:50.18 | The_And1 | I'm a DAMP kiddie ^^ |
| 20:50.21 | blondie | it doesn't make sense :( |
| 20:50.30 | [Jamez] | so...nobody has a clue why after plugging in a USB device (that worked on a previous installation of debian) would not list in lsusb or show any changes in /proc/bus/usb ? |
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| 20:50.32 | MatBoy | can someone tell me if a "uninterruptible sleep" automaticly will go away ? |
| 20:50.47 | dondelelcaro | MatBoy: if the reason why it's in IO sleep does, yes. Otherwise, no. |
| 20:50.58 | pipeline | MatBoy: We call those "zombies" |
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| 20:51.07 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: Z is a zombie... |
| 20:51.09 | jvw | er, no, zombies are different |
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| 20:51.27 | dondelelcaro | a process in D hasn't even been killed yet, so it can't be a zombie |
| 20:52.06 | MatBoy | dondelelcaro, I don;t get what you try to say ? What reason |
| 20:52.11 | HomelandSecurity | Put 'HawkWind' blowhard osx user on a stick, make him cry then have him appologise... damn lame osx user, interferring with development... |
| 20:52.35 | jvw | HomelandSecurity: please stop slandering here, this person isn't even present here |
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| 20:52.59 | jvw | HomelandSecurity: so far, you're more annoying than this mythical HawkWind person |
| 20:53.10 | HomelandSecurity | no, he threw me out of gnome even... odd since i do the most development? .. |
| 20:53.24 | dondelelcaro | HomelandSecurity: that's great. We have nothing whatsoever to do with that. |
| 20:53.30 | [Jamez] | HomelandSecurity: I don't think I believe you. |
| 20:53.40 | mbishop | \_/ <-- the care cup is empty |
| 20:53.48 | jvw | HomelandSecurity: quiz question, who's 'jdub'? |
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| 20:54.32 | dondelelcaro | jvw: that's too easy of a question... |
| 20:54.39 | HomelandSecurity | dondelelcaro: yeah, the care cup is filled when he has me kicked over and over for exactly nothing |
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| 20:54.49 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:54.56 | jvw | dondelelcaro: dunno, I think you might be surprised :) |
| 20:55.17 | dvm1981 | Hey |
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| 20:55.37 | dondelelcaro | jvw: heh. I had even forgotten who he was, and had figured it out within 8 seconds... |
| 20:55.38 | MatBoy | Yeah !!! Done it :D |
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| 20:56.06 | jvw | dondelelcaro: it's a difference that *you* can find out :) |
| 20:56.20 | dvm1981 | I have connected an mp3 player to the computer add somethings in the '/etc/fstab' file, but as simple user i have no write access, fstab file: |
| 20:56.28 | dvm1981 | /dev/sda1 /mnt/lectmp3 vfat noauto,user,exec,rw 0 0 |
| 20:56.54 | nlibbler | \_/ |
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| 20:57.08 | [Jamez] | dvm1981: Try changing the ownership of the device to a group that your user is included in |
| 20:57.46 | dvm1981 | [Jamez]: How do must i do that? |
| 20:58.29 | [Jamez] | dvm1981: lets say you have agroup on your box called devices... add your user account to that group and chown :devices /dev/sda1 |
| 20:58.59 | [Jamez] | oh, and chmod g+rw /dev/sda1 |
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| 20:59.01 | cahoot_ | dvm1981: or maybe /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 20:59.53 | [Jamez] | that would work aswell |
| 20:59.55 | dvm1981 | Thanks, dpkg give me also more info about it :-) |
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| 21:01.47 | Schocko | guys, u think vhcs is ok and not a risk at security? |
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| 21:03.15 | goldenaura | hi. probably my question shouldnt be done here, but i would like to know if anybody here got an invitation for Google Analytics, i have submitted the request a looooong time ago and waiting till now :( |
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| 21:04.44 | ke6isf | Aw, I missed the fun with the other guy. |
| 21:05.08 | ke6isf | Schocko: What is vhcs? |
| 21:05.30 | Schocko | ke6isf: something like confixx & co vhcs.net |
| 21:05.34 | dsg | Hello, can anyone help me set up a wusb11v2.6? |
| 21:05.55 | ke6isf | Schocko: ...and what is confixx? |
| 21:05.57 | ke6isf | !confixx |
| 21:06.01 | dsg | I thought I had it done, but then I could not find the ifcfg-eth0 file |
| 21:06.03 | Schocko | xD |
| 21:06.22 | Schocko | at tool vor manage your server ;) mysql databases etc. look at vhcs.net |
| 21:06.43 | dvm1981 | Thanks guys, solved and done, it's workd :-) |
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| 21:08.21 | ke6isf | Schocko: It looks more like a tool for managing a colo/ISP/etc, not for just managing a single server. Doesn't seem worth it to me. |
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| 21:08.58 | dsg | Could anyone help me debug my atmelwlandriver? |
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| 21:09.09 | ke6isf | !tell dsg -about anyone |
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| 21:11.04 | dsg | could someone help me find and configure the network script for the interface atml0? I cannot find ifcfg-eth0 to copy, and I am fairly new to linux. |
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| 21:13.07 | GloX | Where can I find information about network bridging on debian ? Nothing in man interfaces. And nothing decent on google |
| 21:13.10 | eye69 | dsg: 'man interfaces' |
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| 21:16.45 | gpm | hi everyone. i just got a second harddrive which i intend to use only to store videos and music. i'm wondering what would be the best filesystem for this kind of use (accessing music/video)? |
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| 21:17.36 | goldenaura | gpm: i think XFS, if most of the files will be big |
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| 21:18.42 | gpm | goldenaura: cool |
| 21:19.34 | goldenaura | gpm: i am using XFS for the same purpose and it is working just fine |
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| 21:20.13 | kamyo94 | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 |
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| 21:23.44 | dsg | Well, I found a reference to a document on the wireless-tools that offer additional commands in /etc/network/interfaces. What mode should wireless_mode be equal to? I know it isn't ad-hoc, but it doesn't list any other options |
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| 21:23.58 | sysdef | how to start a printer from console? paper empty -> lpq tells me: 'tp0 is not ready' [tp0 is my printers name] |
| 21:24.07 | vel | could I install debian with SUSE? |
| 21:24.48 | bunny | anyone out there who can help me who knows a bit about raid? |
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| 21:25.39 | weasel00 | bunny : just ask away |
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| 21:25.55 | bunny | oh ok :P |
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| 21:26.09 | stoned- | weasel, you're still here |
| 21:26.20 | stoned- | man, I dont went to bed and woke up |
| 21:26.23 | stoned- | done* |
| 21:26.39 | stoned- | weasel, you ever get that sql thing worked out |
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| 21:26.50 | weasel00 | i passed out about 5 hours ago and was back up after a 4 hour nap ;) |
| 21:26.53 | FarrisG | to add/configure logging facilities for bind on debian, do I edit named.conf or named.conf.options? |
| 21:27.40 | bunny | i got a raid card i have used forever with windows. basicly my normal setup is 4 10 gig raid 0. when i set it up on the raid card windows reads it as one hdd and i can install windows fine. i am trying debian right now and when it gets to the partion part it reads all 4 hdds individually even if i already have the raid card setup to raid 0 them. so i try to software raid all of the hdds together and no matter what file system i am usi |
| 21:27.53 | ke6isf | FarrisG: named.conf |
| 21:27.56 | weasel00 | stoned-, ya... its just taking me a while to figure out how deb installs everything... i spend most the time looking for the files i need lol |
| 21:28.01 | bunny | using after the format it can not create the file system and hits an error. anyone got any idea how to fix this? |
| 21:28.34 | stoned- | weasel, after you install a package, simply do dpkg -L packagename and it will tell you exactly which files were installed on the system by the package |
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| 21:28.43 | dondelelcaro | bunny: that sounds like the card you're using does software raid. in any case, you should be able to get mdadm to set up the 4 way raid 0 and then make the filesystems on the devices. |
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| 21:28.48 | dondelelcaro | bunny: you'll have to partition them appropriately first, though. |
| 21:29.19 | weasel00 | stoned-, ya its a new tool to me.. im used to using locate all time =) |
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| 21:29.45 | stoned- | weasel, for that, to keep up, sudo updatedb |
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| 21:29.53 | goldenaura | bunny: i have done my setup RAID just reading this http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html and everything is working perfectly |
| 21:30.05 | weasel00 | sotned-, you get that link about the arabic keyboards? |
| 21:30.09 | stoned- | yes |
| 21:30.17 | stoned- | then i said fuck it, im going to bed |
| 21:30.18 | stoned- | :) |
| 21:30.23 | weasel00 | lol |
| 21:30.40 | bunny | well when in the partion setup i set it to audio for each harddrive (this allocates a certain amount of swap) then i change the file system to raid on all of them. then i go to the raid setup select raid 0 and put all four of them in. then i format on auto for the raid so it sets up the file system and an amount of swap. then i go to finish and it tries to put the file system and hits an error |
| 21:30.44 | stoned- | why is my nickname fucked up |
| 21:30.54 | stoned- | oh goddamit some asshole is using it |
| 21:31.07 | Stevie | lol |
| 21:32.02 | bunny | goldenaura: that tutorial is for after the os is installed. i am trying to install the os on the raid set |
| 21:32.23 | goldenaura | install in one of the hd first |
| 21:32.31 | goldenaura | and then follow the tutorial |
| 21:32.47 | bunny | i want the os to be on the raid set though |
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| 21:33.20 | goldenaura | bunny: are you doing a new install in a computer with 4 hds ? and you want thos 4 hds to do RAID0? |
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| 21:33.28 | bunny | yep |
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| 21:33.50 | goldenaura | bunny: with the Debian installer you can do that |
| 21:34.03 | bunny | and i hit an error with the debian installer |
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| 21:34.34 | karsten | bunny: Did it hit you back? |
| 21:34.52 | bunny | *sighs* unfortunitly |
| 21:34.55 | bunny | lol |
| 21:35.02 | karsten | bunny: Generally recommendation for RAID installs is: 1. Use a non-RAID boot partition. |
| 21:35.14 | karsten | bunny: ... or 2. use an initrd and pray. |
| 21:35.21 | karsten | bunny: RAID boot is somewhat nontrivial. |
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| 21:35.41 | bunny | well it boots with windows fine |
| 21:35.49 | goldenaura | bunny: you have to partition the 4 hds, and define which partitions will be doing raid, and then define the md# raid |
| 21:35.55 | karsten | bunny: Linux != Windows. |
| 21:35.59 | dondelelcaro | it's fairly trivial with a raid 1 /boot; but anything else starts to get more complex |
| 21:36.11 | ke6isf | bunny: Any reason why you want to bootstrap from RAID instead of a non-RAID volume? |
| 21:36.13 | goldenaura | bunny: at least it worked for me in another machine i setup also this way |
| 21:36.19 | bunny | goldenaura: i explained that i did all that above, or i think i did |
| 21:37.18 | bunny | ke6isf: ultimatly if i had 5 hdds what i would do is put the os on one then mount a raid as /home for the other (or i think) i am a noob with linux |
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| 21:37.46 | bunny | ke6isf: but since i only have 4 hdds at the same size, why not take full advantage of all the speed i can get and raid them? |
| 21:37.46 | ke6isf | bunny: That plan sounds like a good idea, actually - your storage is what should go on the RAID. |
| 21:38.34 | ootput | you can ignore raid boot altogether |
| 21:38.34 | ke6isf | bunny: Because for booting and general OS activity, there's not really an advantage to having that portion of the system on the RAID. In fact, there's one disadvantage - if it fails, you lose EVERYTHING - not just your data. |
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| 21:38.40 | ootput | just use one partition for boot |
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| 21:39.03 | ootput | leave the other 3 partitions spanning the 3 other disks for other stuff |
| 21:39.06 | ke6isf | ootput: Raid three platters, use one for the OS and swap. |
| 21:39.26 | Supercut | #Sofia |
| 21:39.54 | bunny | so 10 gigs is fine for the os and then i should use 3 for a raid on /home ? |
| 21:40.00 | stoned | sofia |
| 21:40.03 | stoned | wisdom |
| 21:40.07 | stoned | or was that sophia |
| 21:40.14 | ke6isf | bunny: 10 gigs is fine for the OS, with plenty of legroom left over. |
| 21:40.16 | stoned | whatever, its a sexy name |
| 21:40.21 | Supercut | it was mistake |
| 21:40.39 | Supercut | Sofia is city :) |
| 21:40.39 | ke6isf | bunny: In fact, keep that around for spools and whatnot. |
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| 21:40.50 | bunny | so should the os be on the quickest of the 4 hdds or the slowest? (kind of trivial since they are almost all identical) |
| 21:41.01 | bunny | what you mean spools? |
| 21:41.08 | ke6isf | bunny: If they're all identical it doesn't matter. |
| 21:41.14 | bunny | they are not |
| 21:41.19 | ootput | ke6isf: ah, i see |
| 21:41.21 | ke6isf | bunny: /var/spool is where your spools are. Mail, print jobs, that sort of thing. Are you setting up a server? |
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| 21:41.26 | weasel00 | how do i check the version number of vi? |
| 21:41.34 | bunny | they are all 10 gig but one is 10.0gb 2 are 10.2 and 1 is 10.3 |
| 21:41.48 | ootput | so it's not really going to be raid-0 |
| 21:41.50 | ootput | ? |
| 21:42.00 | ke6isf | weasel00: vi --version? |
| 21:42.09 | bunny | why not a raid 0? |
| 21:42.21 | weasel00 | ke6ishf : tried that... no dice |
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| 21:42.24 | valdyn | weasel00: dpkg -l vim |
| 21:42.25 | DJFelipe]wech[ | startkeylogger DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
| 21:42.36 | ootput | omg, quit that nonsense |
| 21:42.42 | DJFelipe]wech[ | owned :o |
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| 21:42.58 | ParoXsitiC | I am trying to move a file from /home/NAME/folder/file.dat to /TEST/NAME.dat where NAME is a bunch of names, therefore each NAME's file.dat will get copied and renamed to their NAME |
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| 21:43.01 | ke6isf | !ops DJFelipe]wech[ |
| 21:43.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: DJFelipe]wech[ |
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| 21:43.23 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: move or copy? |
| 21:43.27 | ParoXsitiC | copy |
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| 21:43.58 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: you have to copy first then ( cp ) and move to rename ( mv ) |
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| 21:44.03 | ParoXsitiC | I am just comparing the files to eachother, thats why I wanted everyone's file in one folder...easier to compare..if there is a better method then im up for that too |
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| 21:44.06 | weasel00 | argh this is lame |
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| 21:44.12 | ootput | cheers |
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| 21:44.20 | ke6isf | WTF is with these lamers coming in and doing this? |
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| 21:44.36 | mentor | Norton AntiVirus? |
| 21:44.37 | weasel00 | they werent hugged enough as babies -) |
| 21:44.50 | ootput | doesn't this chan still require registration? |
| 21:45.03 | streuner | ootput: no |
| 21:45.04 | ke6isf | ootput: Not really. |
| 21:45.14 | dondelelcaro | ootput: because requiring registration was a temporary mistake. we've never required it in the past. |
| 21:45.17 | vel | can I install debian thru SUSE? |
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| 21:45.26 | streuner | vel: yes |
| 21:45.27 | valdyn | vel: why? |
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| 21:45.28 | dondelelcaro | vel: yes, but easier just to install using the installer. |
| 21:45.32 | curt | can't freenode spamfilter those guys? |
| 21:45.38 | ke6isf | !tell vel -about debtakeover |
| 21:45.40 | streuner | vel: but why does someone use SuSE to install debian... |
| 21:45.41 | weasel00 | dpkg -l vim : no pkgs found ; dpkg -l vi : no pgks found |
| 21:45.41 | dpkg | ii vim : no pkgs found ; dpkg -l vi : no pgks found 3.4-4.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 21:45.45 | mbishop | curt: no? it's not spam |
| 21:45.59 | ootput | vel: suse makes a livecd? |
| 21:46.00 | valdyn | weasel00: maybe you have nvi |
| 21:46.07 | streuner | ootput: yes |
| 21:46.08 | dondelelcaro | curt: there's no per-message filtering like that. |
| 21:46.12 | valdyn | weasel00: you cant have the 'real' vi |
| 21:46.23 | weasel00 | valdyn : vin it is ftw |
| 21:46.26 | curt | mbishop, DaNET has one that autobans also |
| 21:46.27 | streuner | ootput: there are workaround for Knoppix-CD's as well |
| 21:46.27 | mikele | startkeylogger DCC SEND ?string? 0 0 0 |
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| 21:46.35 | dvs | crap! |
| 21:46.39 | vel | ootput, I don't have floppy and cd left |
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| 21:46.46 | ke6isf | wtf, are those bots or something? |
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| 21:46.58 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 21:46.58 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 21:46.59 | mbishop | doesn't seem like it |
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| 21:47.04 | mbishop | that dj guy is in ##C talking |
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| 21:47.19 | weasel00 | hmm... now to figure out what vi emu i was using on fedora.. |
| 21:47.20 | ootput | yeah, he responded with "owned :o" |
| 21:47.24 | streuner | vel: how about to buy tommorrow an CD? |
| 21:47.25 | ke6isf | Looks like they're all on t-ipconnect.de though. |
| 21:47.37 | valdyn | weasel00: i think vim is the most popular |
| 21:47.50 | ke6isf | mbishop: Do a '/stats p', get an irc op, and let htem know? |
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| 21:47.58 | dondelelcaro | r0tu, JohnDoh, b0xy: in case you haven't noticed, your router has a bug. Try connecting on 8001 instead. |
| 21:47.58 | mbishop | ke6isf: I'm talking to one now\ |
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| 21:47.59 | ootput | vel: you could always debootstrap, but that'd require a whole different set of instructions |
| 21:48.12 | vel | streuner, why wait tomorrow? I can do now |
| 21:48.31 | ootput | vel: ask a friend if he can get you a copy of grml or something |
| 21:48.36 | dondelelcaro | r0tu, JohnDoh, b0xy: see http://tinyurl.com/op26n for more information. |
| 21:48.36 | BearPerson | mbishop, we're on it |
| 21:48.57 | streuner | vel: installing via debootstrap cause sometimes knowledge and isn't so painless like d-i |
| 21:48.59 | curt | francisco at DaNET said "/spamfilter add cpnNPqat block - Norton_Exploit (start|stop)keylogger" |
| 21:49.01 | ke6isf | BearPerson: What's the story with those id10ts? |
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| 21:49.22 | curt | i don't know what software he uses though |
| 21:49.45 | ootput | a perl script of somekind i bet |
| 21:49.46 | BearPerson | ke6isf, some way you can make certain routers or certain firewalls think the IRC connection is a spambot connection, and reset it |
| 21:49.47 | valdyn | ke6isf: funny exploit published on slashdot, so every idiot seems to try it |
| 21:49.47 | vel | streuner, heh I accept the risk |
| 21:49.54 | streuner | vel: /msg dpkg debootstrap workaround |
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| 21:50.31 | ke6isf | BearPerson: Is this related to the announcement from lilo last night? |
| 21:50.33 | weasel00 | grr.. backspace is still not working like a backspace... |
| 21:50.34 | ootput | kline would be more suitable |
| 21:50.41 | BearPerson | ke6isf, yes |
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| 21:51.05 | valdyn | ke6isf: like, some personal firewall will boot you off the irc channel where someone just said 'startkeylogger' |
| 21:51.06 | BearPerson | -SeenServ(SeenServ@services.)- I last saw DJFelipe]wech[ (n=DJFelipe@p5497D21E.dip.t-dialin.net) 2m 4s ago, quiting: K-lined |
| 21:51.10 | BearPerson | so much for him |
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| 21:51.39 | ootput | heh |
| 21:51.59 | deadcat | ootput: oh i fixed teh clearlooks theme. you dont have to hold it now (= |
| 21:52.21 | ootput | deadcat: watchutalkingboutwillis |
| 21:52.29 | dvs | pfffffft! |
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| 21:52.35 | deadcat | ootput: the gtk2-engines-clearlooks |
| 21:52.49 | deadcat | man my damn sbc dsl is slow.. |
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| 21:53.01 | ootput | deadcat: heh, i know. what do you mean by hold it? |
| 21:53.19 | ootput | oh.... |
| 21:53.25 | ootput | upgrade |
| 21:53.34 | ootput | deadcat: sorry, woke up moments ago |
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| 21:53.44 | mbishop | BearPerson: seems to be a WHOLE lot from t-dailin.net |
| 21:53.45 | deadcat | ootput: before with the 2.7.3 i built you had to hold it via dpkg because of version error i made and when you upgrade it will go back to 2.6.3 |
| 21:54.09 | ootput | deadcat: :) |
| 21:54.09 | BearPerson | mbishop, you get a new IP there every time you reconnect the DSL line |
| 21:54.16 | BearPerson | mbishop, what channel? |
| 21:54.23 | mbishop | BearPerson: #gentoo |
| 21:54.31 | deadcat | weasel00: my dsl was ok few days ago.. but last 2 days just suck. maybe then know i've been serving webpages and downloading tv shows (= |
| 21:54.39 | mbishop | was named 'Chr1s' |
| 21:54.44 | mentor | Hmmm, the Subscriptions Dialog in Evolution 2.4 does suck, doens't it? |
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| 21:55.17 | weasel00 | deadcat : that would do it |
| 21:55.46 | deadcat | weasel00: damn bastard, i paid for it i should do what i want. )= i am going back to use neighbor's.... fuck this paying and slow shit |
| 21:55.59 | denon | anyone know why webmin doens't seem to be in the standard packages anymore? was there a political thing between debian and webmin folks? |
| 21:56.02 | weasel00 | how do i change that entering "vi" defualts to "vim" instead of "nvi" ? |
| 21:56.11 | Stevie | alias? |
| 21:56.16 | ke6isf | !webmin |
| 21:56.16 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 21:56.18 | [Jamez] | [repeating my problem] is there any reason a USB device that worked on a previous instalation on this exact box would not list in lsusb or /proc/bus/usb? I'm having trouble w/a mass storage device (a Sony PSP). All required usb modules are installed and loaded... |
| 21:56.22 | Gathond | update-alternatives |
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| 21:56.32 | Stevie | hahaha |
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| 21:56.47 | ke6isf | deadcat: You should use Speakeasy! |
| 21:56.48 | deadcat | weasel00: update-alternative --config |
| 21:56.59 | deadcat | ke6isf: i dont really have a real job.. (= |
| 21:57.00 | Stevie | speakeasy rules |
| 21:57.03 | denon | ke6isf: well, there's a lot of crappy and insecure software in the packages .. is that honestly why it's no longer there? |
| 21:57.05 | Stevie | oh |
| 21:57.07 | ke6isf | deadcat: ...oh. |
| 21:57.12 | Stevie | then here's a problem |
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| 21:57.21 | Stevie | speakeasy coss money |
| 21:57.21 | valdyn | weasel00: update-alternatives |
| 21:57.26 | weasel00 | speakeasy...brewery? |
| 21:57.28 | ke6isf | denon: Not sure. Google? |
| 21:57.31 | deadcat | weasel00: mq[ (= ~ qqq update-alternatives --config vi |
| 21:57.36 | ke6isf | weasel: No, speakeasy networks. http://www.speakeasy.net |
| 21:57.43 | deadcat | weasel00: nvi rocks for simple stuff. |
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| 21:57.48 | ootput | deadcat: ahah, did you just admit to wireless-net theft? that's priceless |
| 21:57.51 | deadcat | like the editor thing |
| 21:57.58 | weasel00 | the backspace is killing me |
| 21:58.05 | Stevie | deadcat: perhaps you should consider a form of gainful employment |
| 21:58.06 | dvs | !arrest deadcat |
| 21:58.06 | dpkg | http://deadcat.wasarrested.com |
| 21:58.08 | deadcat | ootput: ya. "free dsl trial" i have screenshots of me commiting crimes too (= |
| 21:58.10 | mentor | v50 5s a3ways better |
| 21:58.28 | Stevie | Crack dealer Deadcat arrested. |
| 21:58.29 | denon | ke6isf: ah, its just the lack of package maintainers |
| 21:58.39 | deadcat | Stevie: AND holding that day's newspaper (= |
| 21:58.42 | ubuh-huntuh | is there anyway to get a free/cheap laptop on the net |
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| 21:58.49 | mentor | It's not theft if you use the standard way to ask for credentials and it gives them to you. |
| 21:58.49 | ke6isf | denon: As dpkg here notes, too, the general opinion of Webmin is fairly low. |
| 21:58.56 | ke6isf | ubuh-huntuh: Freecycle. |
| 21:58.57 | deadcat | ubuh-huntuh: ya. click on those "free laptop" ads |
| 21:58.58 | ootput | ahah |
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| 21:59.02 | mbishop | ubuh-huntuh: live in 3rd world country and get one of those $100 mit ones |
| 21:59.03 | ubuh-huntuh | hehehe |
| 21:59.07 | devin_ | is there any reason wht apt-setup won't work for me? |
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| 21:59.17 | [Jamez] | I want one of those MIT $100 lappies. |
| 21:59.18 | denon | ke6isf: I dunno, I like setting it up for non-admin types, decent little gui for them to admin an internal appliance server |
| 21:59.19 | ubuh-huntuh | just wondering if those ads actually give u a laptop |
| 21:59.22 | gnufa1 | ? |
| 21:59.23 | weasel00 | Deadcat : i have no clue how to translate what you just typed "mq[ (= ~ ..." |
| 21:59.23 | ke6isf | devin_: I don't know. Are you not paying it enough? =^^= |
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| 21:59.24 | deadcat | devin_: seems like we dont have apt-setup anymore. woody was the last |
| 21:59.26 | ootput | ubuh-huntuh: something about your nick just makes me want to pluck my eyeballs out |
| 21:59.29 | ubuh-huntuh | they ask u to subcribe to a bunch of stuffs tho |
| 21:59.32 | deadcat | weasel00: that part is my prompt |
| 21:59.41 | ke6isf | !tell ubuh-huntuh -about u |
| 21:59.46 | streuner | devin_: as long as you running sarge and you are 'root' it should work (TM) |
| 21:59.48 | [Jamez] | I hear MIT will sell those in the states for $200 |
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| 22:00.06 | deadcat | ootput: metawire is down? |
| 22:00.11 | ootput | i didn't know they would be available for the gen public |
| 22:00.29 | devin_ | streuner running etch but installed debian with a sarge iso |
| 22:00.29 | weasel00 | $100 lappies? |
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| 22:00.41 | ootput | deadcat: yeah, silly shit. couldn't ssh in for a few days now, now the whole site seems to be down |
| 22:00.43 | ubuh-huntuh | that would be nice |
| 22:00.44 | [Jamez] | ootput: From what I've read, yeah. $200 for non-3rd worlders |
| 22:00.46 | denon | ke6isf: you know of a better alternative for such a task, widely-supported? |
| 22:00.55 | ubuh-huntuh | are tehy made in china? |
| 22:00.56 | streuner | devin_: well, use an editor then to edit sources.list (man sources.list) |
| 22:01.02 | deadcat | ootput: you pay for it or what? |
| 22:01.03 | ubuh-huntuh | how can price go so low |
| 22:01.04 | ke6isf | devin_: Well, since we don't know what it's doing (you need to tell us), we can't tell you why it's not working. |
| 22:01.10 | ubuh-huntuh | how much mem? 50MB? |
| 22:01.12 | ke6isf | denon: Really, no - nothing similar. |
| 22:01.25 | ootput | deadcat: small 1 time donation for better services |
| 22:01.37 | devin_ | ke6isf it's just says comand not found |
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| 22:01.46 | ootput | deadcat: it's been good though |
| 22:01.48 | denon | ke6isf: ah well, guess I'll just bust out a tarball then |
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| 22:01.50 | ke6isf | devin_: And you're running etch? |
| 22:01.51 | deadcat | ubuh-huntuh: they are built for 3rd world childrens, but since you get them in a non-3rd world. then they are probably stolen |
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| 22:01.58 | ke6isf | denon: Go for it. |
| 22:02.03 | devin_ | ke6isf yes |
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| 22:02.15 | ke6isf | devin_: Are you root when you try to run it/ |
| 22:02.26 | Thanatermesis | OT: How i set a channel for enter only persons to are in.. "a list" maybe ? |
| 22:02.36 | streuner | devin_: apt-setup ISN'T in etch |
| 22:02.36 | denon | ke6isf: thanks for the url |
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| 22:02.39 | deadcat | ootput: ah.. one time donation.. i never seem to have the balls to donate $36 to freeshell. (= but i only use them for email and rarely use that for website. |
| 22:02.40 | cisse | chrooting bind9, did an ln -s /var/lib/named/etc/bind /etc/bind and afterwards bash completion was screwed up kept getting 'shell-init: error retrieving current directory' |
| 22:02.42 | devin_ | ke6isf yeah |
| 22:02.42 | ke6isf | ubuh-huntuh: Please do not privmsg me. |
| 22:02.49 | ubuh-huntuh | WHY |
| 22:02.52 | devin_ | streuner ahh |
| 22:02.57 | ke6isf | ubuh-huntuh: Because it is rude. |
| 22:02.58 | deadcat | !tell ubuh-huntuh about msg |
| 22:02.59 | ootput | deadcat: $36 is pretty steep |
| 22:03.06 | ke6isf | ubuh-huntuh: If you want to ask me questions, ask in the channel, please. |
| 22:03.07 | ootput | deadcat: even by an employed-person's standards |
| 22:03.25 | ubuh-huntuh | ok |
| 22:03.29 | ootput | i can't remember how much i donated |
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| 22:03.52 | deadcat | ootput: (= i am looking at a bag for $20, although its not new (new is $80+ship+tax) http://www.craigslist.org/eby/clo/138983651.html bottom left |
| 22:04.09 | nadjyla | hellOoOoOoO |
| 22:04.13 | ootput | ah, craigslist |
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| 22:04.44 | ootput | deadcat: ever considered a man's purse? |
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| 22:05.02 | deadcat | ootput: nah. i like that timbuk2 bag.. very reliable. |
| 22:05.04 | nadjyla | know softs for build initd.img? i used yaird but seems bad :( |
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| 22:05.40 | ootput | deadcat: are you gonna use it for a lappy? |
| 22:05.45 | deadcat | ya (= |
| 22:06.21 | deadcat | but mostly for school too. i dont like their new stuff. i prefer their classic messenger bags over their new and shiny bags. |
| 22:06.21 | ootput | those are nice bags |
| 22:06.29 | deadcat | ya |
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| 22:08.07 | ootput | htat's not the large one is it? |
| 22:08.33 | deadcat | its a medium. i had a large.. too large for a skinny punk like me (= |
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| 22:08.51 | yggwork | how do i make x start up automaticaly ? |
| 22:09.00 | deadcat | yggwork: apt-get install gdm |
| 22:09.12 | Shadowcat | aptitude install kdm kde |
| 22:09.14 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 22:09.26 | deadcat | i use slim personally. (= |
| 22:09.29 | yggwork | sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm ? |
| 22:09.37 | Shadowcat | yggwork: this isn't ubuntu |
| 22:09.39 | yggwork | i want somethign that will log in automaticly |
| 22:09.39 | cisse | yggwork: you have to use one of the various programs that start x for you, gdm, xdm, entrance, kdm |
| 22:09.51 | [Jamez] | startx |
| 22:09.57 | deadcat | yggwork: click config in gdm then |
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| 22:10.15 | yggwork | ill try to just reinstall it |
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| 22:10.21 | Shadowcat | gdm can be configured to login automatically |
| 22:10.23 | ootput | entrance looks nice |
| 22:10.25 | Shadowcat | I don't recommend it though |
| 22:10.33 | unstable | Anyone have a good guide on getting hibernation to work with etch |
| 22:10.43 | yggwork | it was starting up but i removed it |
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| 22:10.45 | ootput | although, you'd probably want to disable autologin since you're going to want to spend more time watching the gfx |
| 22:11.08 | valdyn | unstable: apt-cache show hibernate |
| 22:11.16 | yggwork | gfx ? |
| 22:11.25 | Greatred | gfx=graphics |
| 22:11.26 | deadcat | ootput: else that would disable the purpose of entrance? (= |
| 22:11.34 | valdyn | unstable: and uh, you're on your own to get / make a kernel with software suspend 2 |
| 22:11.40 | ootput | deadcat: hehe, yeah |
| 22:11.53 | Shadowcat | valdyn: that's not hard |
| 22:11.57 | yggwork | i just want it to startx log in and then run xine |
| 22:12.04 | yggwork | thats all this box has to do on the x side of it |
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| 22:12.20 | Shadowcat | yggwork: are you trying to build a media center box? |
| 22:12.23 | yggwork | yea |
| 22:12.27 | Shadowcat | yawn |
| 22:12.29 | yggwork | well its built .. |
| 22:12.32 | valdyn | Shadowcat: not hard for you, i dont know about him |
| 22:12.34 | Shadowcat | go read the tutorial for mythtv |
| 22:12.37 | yggwork | it decrypts satelite signal |
| 22:12.38 | yggwork | hehe |
| 22:12.42 | yggwork | its a bit more than that |
| 22:12.50 | Shadowcat | mythtv is a front end |
| 22:12.53 | yggwork | right |
| 22:12.56 | Shadowcat | and yes it uses xine as a rendering engine |
| 22:12.57 | Shadowcat | or can |
| 22:12.57 | yggwork | well vdr is what im using |
| 22:13.06 | devin_ | can someone give me their etch sources.list |
| 22:13.19 | yggwork | i ve put in a bout 100 hours on this project |
| 22:13.20 | Shadowcat | devin_: why? |
| 22:13.27 | Shadowcat | devin_: if you can't edit your sources to etch |
| 22:13.30 | Shadowcat | you shouldn't be running it |
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| 22:14.02 | devin_ | Shadowcat don't get cocky |
| 22:14.08 | denon | heh, back again.. is ip_tables still a module in the debian packaged kernels? |
| 22:14.10 | deadcat | yggwork: you're not doing a good job then |
| 22:14.19 | yggwork | actualy what i would realy like is instead of even loading a desktop just have xine running |
| 22:14.23 | valdyn | devin_: he's giving you good advice |
| 22:14.26 | yggwork | with no dm or wm |
| 22:14.33 | cisse | denon: yes |
| 22:14.49 | valdyn | yggwork: vi .xsession |
| 22:14.54 | roz | does anyone know of an easy way to change all UIDs on a system from 1000, to say, 1005? |
| 22:15.06 | ke6isf | devin_: He's not being cocky. Testing is for more advanced users of Debian. |
| 22:15.07 | denon | cisse: so needs to be manually loaded? cant seem to find an .so with the iptables package installed |
| 22:15.11 | ootput | devin_: s.l requires customization. Not everyone uses the same mirror. Not everyone uses the same packages. |
| 22:15.14 | denon | and a packaged kernel |
| 22:15.15 | Shadowcat | chown -R 1000 / |
| 22:15.17 | valdyn | yggwork: on how to start X there's so many ways, but what's wrong with using a dm? |
| 22:15.19 | yggwork | valdyn its blank |
| 22:15.33 | nvz | Shadowcat: o_O |
| 22:15.36 | cisse | denon: i'm pretty sure i saw it as a module when i was using a stock kernel .config the other day |
| 22:15.39 | yggwork | valdyn all its gotta do is start xine and then its almost desktop envrionment itself |
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| 22:15.43 | yggwork | using the remote control |
| 22:15.48 | Shadowcat | that was for roz |
| 22:15.49 | yggwork | well with the backend im using |
| 22:15.55 | nvz | Shadowcat: are you nuts? |
| 22:15.58 | ke6isf | yggwork: Debian for a stereo system? =^_^= |
| 22:16.03 | Shadowcat | nvz: he asked, not me |
| 22:16.07 | yggwork | its asatelite reciever |
| 22:16.07 | Shadowcat | I would NEVER do that |
| 22:16.14 | yggwork | and an mp3 interface |
| 22:16.20 | denon | cisse: "iptables v1.3.3: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?)" |
| 22:16.21 | valdyn | yggwork: so use gdm, enable auto login for your user, put 'exec xine' in ~/.xsession |
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| 22:16.23 | yggwork | ive got 4 satelites |
| 22:16.27 | The_And1 | where's the apache virtual host config file? |
| 22:16.31 | Shadowcat | in fact I have a root script specificalyl designed to prevent me to do that |
| 22:16.31 | Acid`X | join #linuxmachos.org |
| 22:16.33 | ke6isf | yggwork: You are such a geek! =^_^= |
| 22:16.36 | Acid`X | mt |
| 22:16.36 | yggwork | valdyn can i msg you ? |
| 22:16.39 | Shadowcat | specifically |
| 22:16.40 | valdyn | yggwork: no |
| 22:16.42 | cisse | so anyone have an idea on a symlink between two paritions that cause a shell-init error |
| 22:16.46 | roz | Shadowcat: I meant change all files owned by 1000 to 1005.... not _all_ files |
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| 22:16.50 | Agrajag- | Shadowcat: but what you said clearly didn't answer his actual question |
| 22:17.00 | Shadowcat | roz: uhh that's a bit harder |
| 22:17.02 | ke6isf | Acid`X: eh? |
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| 22:17.12 | Shadowcat | Agrajag-: then help him instead of criticizng me |
| 22:17.21 | denon | cisse: oh, and sorry - 2.4.27 |
| 22:17.28 | mlyon | how do I use apt-get to install a testing package if i'm on stable? 'apt-get install pkgname/testing' returns not found, even though i can see it in the pkg repository |
| 22:17.30 | ke6isf | roz: You want to change the owner ID? |
| 22:17.34 | Acid`X | ke6isf, mt :P, didnt type the /join |
| 22:17.41 | Shadowcat | mlyon: why do you need a testing package? |
| 22:17.43 | ke6isf | Acid`X: Ah, mistake? |
| 22:17.46 | Agrajag- | roz: why don't you just change the uid of the user from 1000 to 1005 ? |
| 22:17.51 | Acid`X | ke6isf, yes |
| 22:18.02 | ke6isf | Acid`X: *nod* |
| 22:18.05 | Shadowcat | Agrajag-: because that would change the whole dir ownership structure |
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| 22:18.07 | roz | cuz I need to change the uid # of the file, so they still own the files |
| 22:18.11 | Shadowcat | permissions ares tored by uid |
| 22:18.16 | Shadowcat | not account name |
| 22:18.16 | Acid`X | ke6isf, hehe :] |
| 22:18.18 | Shadowcat | stored* |
| 22:18.24 | mlyon | Shad0wcat: it's a programming language; i need the new version to run some stuff. I can compile it, but I'd rather not |
| 22:18.36 | Shadowcat | mlyon: how good are you at debian? |
| 22:18.38 | mlyon | er, stupid tab completing |
| 22:18.41 | cisse | roz: use find -uid ... | xargs ? |
| 22:18.42 | r0tu | anyone have a good doc on setting up chroot |
| 22:18.48 | Agrajag- | Shadowcat: i don't think you understood what i was saying |
| 22:18.51 | mlyon | Shadowcat: very greenly new |
| 22:18.54 | ke6isf | Hmm, my mom is calling. |
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| 22:19.00 | cisse | r0tu: chroot for what ? |
| 22:19.03 | Shadowcat | mlyon: then you really shouldn't be running testing |
| 22:19.08 | ootput | deadcat: i might actually pick up another lap-messenger bag |
| 22:19.10 | r0tu | Shell restriction |
| 22:19.10 | mlyon | heh, ok, i'll compile it then, thanks |
| 22:19.16 | priscila | r0tu: you can read the debian install doc |
| 22:19.18 | Shadowcat | Agrajag-: if you edit /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and change the gid of a user |
| 22:19.21 | Shadowcat | err uid* |
| 22:19.22 | ootput | deadcat: it'll have to be crumpler.com.au, though |
| 22:19.27 | Shadowcat | you've effectively created a new user |
| 22:19.33 | cisse | r0tu: never tried |
| 22:19.36 | ootput | deadcat: that's the closest to timbuk2 |
| 22:19.43 | Shadowcat | the system stores file ownership after uid, not user name |
| 22:19.48 | deadcat | ootput: i dont like lap-messenger bags. they have the extra padding |
| 22:19.55 | Shadowcat | you can rename root to whatever and root will still own all files with uid 0 |
| 22:20.04 | Shadowcat | if you change the uid of root however |
| 22:20.07 | r0tu | priscila: thanks... I will look into it |
| 22:20.07 | Shadowcat | YOU HAVE A BIG PROBLEM |
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| 22:20.30 | embrik | I've bought an oki colorlaser before I bothered to check out if I could use it on debian. The support at okidata told me that it uses GDI, and linux doesn't support GDI, but PCL. Any comments? Sholud I bother to try to find a driver? |
| 22:20.51 | deadcat | ootput: ohhh. that logo. the dude with the dreadlock right? hahahah |
| 22:21.02 | ootput | deadcat: :D |
| 22:21.09 | ootput | http://www.crumpler.com.au/cartIndex.php?prodId=187&prodType=Bag&catId=6 |
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| 22:21.12 | roz | I am trying this find thing |
| 22:21.18 | roz | to see if it can give me a list |
| 22:21.21 | ootput | a bit pricey. |
| 22:21.26 | Acid`X | it's apt pinning good or does it have some disadvantage? |
| 22:21.37 | Shadowcat | depends on if you know how to use it |
| 22:21.52 | deadcat | ootput: ya. thats pricy. |
| 22:22.07 | The_And1 | Where can I find the virtual host setup file for apache2? |
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| 22:22.23 | roz | trying find / -uid 1000 |
| 22:22.25 | deadcat | The_And1: you just create a dir i think. |
| 22:22.34 | ke6isf | The_And1: in /etc/apache2 somewhere, of course. |
| 22:22.35 | resiak | The_And1: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default for instance |
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| 22:22.53 | The_And1 | subdomain.domain.com |
| 22:22.55 | jerry | hi room |
| 22:23.00 | Shadowcat | !room |
| 22:23.01 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 22:23.04 | ke6isf | /whois room |
| 22:23.07 | deadcat | ootput: water proof as well right? |
| 22:23.11 | roz | it may actually not be very many files for this one user |
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| 22:23.25 | room | HI JERRY! |
| 22:23.28 | jerry | is there some one that would not mind helping me install americas army? |
| 22:23.33 | deadcat | ootput: i try not to let people know i have a laptop in the bag (= |
| 22:23.37 | jerry | hi room\ |
| 22:23.38 | dotCOMmie | ASL?! </sarcasm> |
| 22:23.48 | ootput | deadcat: yeah |
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| 22:24.03 | nvz | roz: find / -uid 1000 | xargs chown 1005 |
| 22:24.16 | ke6isf | jerry: http://www.army.mil I suspect. |
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| 22:24.26 | jerry | please tell me there is a americas army fan here |
| 22:24.35 | roz | what does xargs do nvz, I am unfamiliar |
| 22:24.39 | nvz | roz: there is an easier way though if you are sure you want to do that |
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| 22:24.45 | nvz | roz: _way_ easier |
| 22:24.46 | resiak | roz: man xargs |
| 22:24.49 | dureyes | can someone reccomend a wireless card for a laptop/Desktop that will support linux? |
| 22:24.51 | weasel00 | jerry : checked it out once.. that was enough |
| 22:24.53 | deadcat | jerry: most people here play nethack |
| 22:25.00 | streuner | !politics |
| 22:25.01 | dpkg | somebody said politics was Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 22:25.05 | jerry | ty |
| 22:25.13 | deadcat | dureyes: usb/pcicma? i use zd1211 cards. works great, easy to compile |
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| 22:25.16 | chealer | jerry: of course, we're freedom lovers, we have to love America's army |
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| 22:25.31 | ke6isf | chealer: Praise God and pass the ammo! =^_^= |
| 22:25.39 | deadcat | hahah |
| 22:25.41 | dureyes | deadcat: pcima |
| 22:25.44 | weasel00 | chealer : beware the KISS Army!! |
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| 22:25.52 | bernardo | hey everyone!! |
| 22:25.59 | bernardo | How do i remove a user?? |
| 22:26.01 | deadcat | dureyes: get a prism54, atheros, or prism2 (b only) these rock ass. |
| 22:26.04 | jerry | me too i just would like some one to hold my hand |
| 22:26.05 | deadcat | bernardo: userdel |
| 22:26.09 | nvz | roz: usermod -u 1005 nick |
| 22:26.12 | roz | so it pops all the stuff from STDIN (via pipe) to the command that follows xargs |
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| 22:26.21 | nvz | roz: just change the damn users uid instead of all the files on the system |
| 22:26.23 | Acid`X | so any idea on apt pinning? |
| 22:26.28 | dureyes | deadcat: thanks for the info, hope they have it on Newegg.. |
| 22:26.46 | chealer | weasel00: sorry, I don't understand...I'm lost in all the KISS expansions |
| 22:26.50 | ke6isf | jerry: Sorry, dude, I'm married. |
| 22:26.53 | bernardo | How do i run a .bin file? |
| 22:27.00 | jerry | my q is i have the game on my desk top |
| 22:27.01 | roz | well see what I am doing, is consolidating multiple machines into LDAP |
| 22:27.04 | weasel00 | lol |
| 22:27.07 | deadcat | dureyes: those name are chipsets. they can be branded in anything like netgear, dlink linksys. i dont know. |
| 22:27.10 | jerry | i tried |
| 22:27.15 | ke6isf | bernardo: Why do you need to run a .bin file? |
| 22:27.23 | cisse | roz: what are you trying to do in a nutshell ? |
| 22:27.30 | pngwen | bernardo: if it's an executable, you can just do ./filename.bin |
| 22:27.43 | deadcat | bernardo: sh ./filename.bin |
| 22:27.46 | ootput | deadcat: hah, playing around with their website |
| 22:27.51 | pngwen | bernardo: you might have to make it executable first: chmod a+x filename.bin |
| 22:27.51 | ootput | fantastic design |
| 22:27.53 | jerry | ke6isf,can u help me |
| 22:27.53 | dureyes | deadcat: ok, I like dlink |
| 22:28.00 | roz | consolidate UIDs across multiple machines. So one user has the same UID on each computer. |
| 22:28.00 | nvz | roz: well find / -uid 1000 | xargs chown 1005 does exactly what you asked |
| 22:28.02 | ke6isf | jerry: No. |
| 22:28.06 | deadcat | ootput: heheh. timbuk2 has that feature too. and the price goes up as well (= |
| 22:28.13 | ke6isf | jerry: The only thing I know about America's army is http://www.army.mil, sorry. |
| 22:28.24 | bernardo | ok, i will try thanx |
| 22:28.29 | jerry | ok ty |
| 22:29.03 | chealer | deadcat: sh is for shell scripts |
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| 22:29.30 | deadcat | chealer: you can sh ./blah.bin because those files are usually first part shell script. second part binary |
| 22:29.43 | bernardo | i got it, thanx a lot deadcat! |
| 22:29.44 | nvz | roz: do this actually put "find / -uid $1 | xargs chown $2" in a file and save it and chmod 700 it then you can run that script and put two uids and it will do it for all users |
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| 22:30.11 | nvz | roz: ./foo <old.uid> <new.uid> |
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| 22:30.14 | chealer | deadcat: well, it must not be that usual |
| 22:30.33 | unstable | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/yoJGpW22.html |
| 22:30.54 | unstable | Does my suspend2 package match my running kernel version match my kernel source?(so I know before I start trying to setup suspend2) |
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| 22:31.04 | deadcat | if you are a fan of gtk2-engines-clearlooks, heres the latest with 3d-ish effects: http://debian.sshonly.sytes.net/i386/gtk2-engines-clearlooks_2.7.4-1_i386.deb |
| 22:31.21 | nvz | feel free to make your own tools, we do it all the time |
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| 22:31.40 | Acid`X | how can i check if my sound card is using the alsa module or the oss module? |
| 22:32.04 | deadcat | Acid`X: if it works. forgetaboutit |
| 22:32.10 | roz | nvz & all thanks a ton! |
| 22:32.22 | Acid`X | deadcat, lol k |
| 22:32.45 | liable | unstable: i've not had much luck with patching debian kernels, but yeah, looks ok. |
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| 22:33.16 | Acid`X | deadcat, u know anything about apt pinning or have u try it b4? |
| 22:33.18 | liable | Acid`X: lsmod, if you modules start with snd- there alsa |
| 22:33.22 | liable | !u |
| 22:33.22 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:33.27 | deadcat | Acid`X: never tried it. |
| 22:33.29 | ke6isf | !apt-pinning |
| 22:33.29 | dpkg | i heard apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
| 22:33.34 | deadcat | there we go |
| 22:33.51 | Acid`X | liable, both modules are loaded, alsa and oss modules |
| 22:33.57 | deadcat | Acid`X: no need. all my machines are unstable (= |
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| 22:34.23 | deadcat | Acid`X: blacklist the oss then. |
| 22:34.42 | unstable | liable: Did your patch apply cleanly? |
| 22:35.08 | Acid`X | deadcat, humm, but i have a weird problem with alsa, everytime i restart the computer, i have to run alsaconf to make it work |
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| 22:35.21 | liable | unstable: i havent tried a 2.6.16 yet, but i dont use debian source either, last time i tried it wouldnt patch so i started using vanilla sources. |
| 22:35.28 | deadcat | Acid`X: oh.. i had that problem once. let me see if i can recall what i did |
| 22:35.30 | liable | err .15 |
| 22:35.31 | bernardo | What is a file that is ".desktop" ?? |
| 22:35.32 | Shadowcat | deadcat: you know it took three years for my mobo manufacturer to include a disable switch for the onboard audio |
| 22:35.37 | Shadowcat | THREE YEARS |
| 22:35.44 | liable | bastards! |
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| 22:35.49 | Shadowcat | before that I had to blacklist the modules in alsa |
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| 22:36.06 | Shadowcat | that same bios flash also overclocked my ram by 33% |
| 22:36.09 | deadcat | Shadowcat: HAHAHAHHA.. that probably would make my want to kill something |
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| 22:36.17 | Shadowcat | and I had to manually underclock the ram again |
| 22:36.17 | aeronadix | hey my system automatically loads things with totem player when I put in a dvd, how do I change it to xine. I can't figure out where that setting is set |
| 22:36.18 | pngwen | bernardo: that's a desktop definition, like for an icon |
| 22:36.27 | Shadowcat | I was getting segfaults when the machine was idling |
| 22:36.29 | Acid`X | deadcat, okie, ive been looking but no luck, some forums says its a problem with discover,udev and hotplug |
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| 22:36.49 | deadcat | Acid`X: no. just a alsa file. i cant remember which one |
| 22:36.49 | liable | unstable: one way to try! if it doesnt apply cleanly, you havent broken anything so dont worry. |
| 22:36.50 | Econael | how do I extract a .tar.bz2 (tar -xzf gives errors) |
| 22:36.59 | ke6isf | !bz2 |
| 22:36.59 | dpkg | it has been said that bz2 is the extension used for file created by bzip2, a program like gzip that gives better compression(particularly on text files) but takes much more memory to run see <bzip2>. or use the j switch to tar, or install and use unp (ask me about <unp>) |
| 22:36.59 | stoned | -j |
| 22:37.08 | ResPiDeR | j instead z |
| 22:37.26 | stoned | apt-get install bzip2 - tar xvjf blah.bz2 |
| 22:37.28 | Econael | ok thx |
| 22:37.32 | unstable | liable: After I patch it, I do "cp /boot/config*2.6.15* /usr/src/linux-source*; cd /usr/src/linux-source*; make-kpkg --initrd oldconfig;? |
| 22:37.45 | stoned | !unp |
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| 22:38.06 | deadcat | Acid`X: see if you have /var/lib/alsa/asound.state |
| 22:38.14 | Acid`X | deadcat, one of the websites said something about a driver loading first than another one |
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| 22:38.44 | deadcat | Acid`X: then i dont know. why dont you black list the oss driver and check if that file exist or not as well. then reboot see what happen |
| 22:38.55 | aeronadix | got it |
| 22:39.05 | stoned | or you could use windows and not worry about any of this crap |
| 22:39.24 | Acid`X | deadcat, just the oss modules or the snd_emu10k1_oss |
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| 22:39.26 | liable | unstable: you need to copy the config, but it needs to be .config |
| 22:39.40 | deadcat | Acid`X: no you need the snd stuff. those are alsa drivers. |
| 22:39.44 | deadcat | we have same card. |
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| 22:40.01 | Acid`X | so wich one should i blacklist? |
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| 22:40.09 | stoned | man |
| 22:40.09 | Stevie | Which manual page do you want? |
| 22:40.10 | deadcat | the ones without the snd |
| 22:40.22 | stoned | whas with the 666 deal after every damn nickname i see online |
| 22:40.22 | unstable | liable: Once I copy over the config as .config what should my compile command be? |
| 22:40.26 | Daemon666 | what can I do to stop someone trying to break into my server? |
| 22:40.27 | stoned | slightly exxagerated |
| 22:40.28 | liable | unstable: while you're at it you may as well build your needed drivers in and do away with the initrd. |
| 22:40.52 | deadcat | unstable: why you want to compile again? i might missed it |
| 22:40.52 | chuckyp | Daemon666, use good passwords and keep software up to date. |
| 22:40.57 | liable | unstable: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 22:40.58 | unstable | liable: I don't know how to do that. |
| 22:40.58 | stoned | Daemon666, with a nickname like yours, people will try it no matter what. |
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| 22:41.09 | unstable | deadcat: I got bored so I want to see if I can get my laptop with hibernate. |
| 22:41.18 | deadcat | unstable: oh ya.. heheeh. |
| 22:41.23 | unstable | deadcat: So I applied the suspend2 patch cleanly, and now I'm compiling. |
| 22:41.28 | stoned | Daemon666, are you one of the dal.net satanic channel hanger outers |
| 22:41.30 | deadcat | unstable: luckily i have an ibook.. sleep is fine (= |
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| 22:41.49 | Daemon666 | stoned - but someone is trying to break into my server now using a brute force cracker |
| 22:41.57 | dondelelcaro | Daemon666: so install fail2ban or similar. |
| 22:42.08 | liable | unstable: err, you need to actually say yes to those modules before you compile too. |
| 22:42.08 | Daemon666 | dondelelcaro - whats that? |
| 22:42.15 | Acid`X | deadcat, blacklist in /etc/hotplug/blacklist and skip module in discover.conf? |
| 22:42.19 | stoned | Daemon666, you know you can ipban after a certain number of failed login attempts |
| 22:42.31 | liable | unstable: make menuconfig .. and go into the power section |
| 22:42.34 | deadcat | Acid`X: ya. try them all. i dont have discover so dont know that part |
| 22:42.36 | dondelelcaro | !fail2ban |
| 22:42.36 | dpkg | fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with ssh and iptunnel, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. |
| 22:42.37 | stoned | Daemon666, do as he said, or manually modify /etc/hosts.deny |
| 22:42.57 | Acid`X | deadcat, do i need discover for anything at all? |
| 22:43.01 | deadcat | Daemon666: if you have good passwds. dont worry about it |
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| 22:43.13 | deadcat | Acid`X: not really. |
| 22:43.18 | liable | its annoying in the logs though |
| 22:43.22 | Daemon666 | i have really good passwords |
| 22:43.26 | stoned | Daemon666, use random password generators |
| 22:43.28 | shay|wifi | Acid`X, you're the one who need to answer that |
| 22:43.31 | deadcat | liable: true. especially when i see them on the bottom left (= |
| 22:43.32 | ootput | deadcat: going to go out and pick up the bee's knees |
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| 22:43.40 | ootput | deadcat: cya later :) |
| 22:43.44 | deadcat | l (= |
| 22:43.46 | Acid`X | shay|wifi, :] |
| 22:43.47 | shay|wifi | Acid`X, if you know which modules your system need, then I guess that you don't need discover |
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| 22:43.57 | deadcat | damn. i switched the l and the k key.. and now confusing myself (= |
| 22:43.59 | deadcat | HAHAHA |
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| 22:44.05 | Acid`X | lol |
| 22:44.06 | liable | hehe |
| 22:44.10 | ke6isf | Bwaha! |
| 22:44.23 | Acid`X | then imma remove discover >.< |
| 22:44.29 | stoned | Daemon666, you could have two randomly generated alphnumeric characters with mixed case, AND on top of that you can seperate the two with an _ or a j or whatever else like pass1.pass2 == one whole pass |
| 22:44.32 | deadcat | i am used to the a and s now, still having problem with the l and k when i look at the keyboard. |
| 22:44.34 | stoned | i dunno, i gues im thinking too much |
| 22:44.51 | liable | or better yet, use keys. |
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| 22:45.16 | deadcat | or let them breakin, when they find nothing. they'll leave. thats what i do |
| 22:45.16 | stoned | I have a multimedia/internet keyboard I use with keytouch |
| 22:45.22 | unstable | liable: software suspend is *'d, but software suspend (new) is not *'d |
| 22:45.23 | stoned | saves so much time |
| 22:45.31 | stoned | I wish there was a touchpad for mouse built on my keyboard |
| 22:45.36 | stoned | where the arrow keys are |
| 22:45.39 | stoned | that would be SOO handy |
| 22:45.40 | petemc | deadcat: thats some pretty awful advice |
| 22:45.43 | stoned | i'd never have to leave the keyboard |
| 22:45.51 | stoned | no more nice needed |
| 22:46.11 | liable | unstable: huh? hrm, better read the help for them. press ? |
| 22:46.13 | GoAuLd | when Xorg 7 and Xgl in sid ? |
| 22:46.14 | deadcat | petemc: you let them think they are walking into a trap (= |
| 22:46.24 | deadcat | GoAuLd: in less than 1 month. |
| 22:46.24 | stoned | mice* |
| 22:46.37 | deadcat | GoAuLd: 7.0 is in experimental if you want. but no xgl yet. |
| 22:46.45 | bernardo_ | deadcat: how do i compile a ".tar.gz" file? |
| 22:46.48 | GoAuLd | i hope u are right |
| 22:47.01 | Daemon666 | stoned - can i PM you 3 lines from my auth.log please ? |
| 22:47.11 | deadcat | bernardo_: extract, cd in, ./configure && make && make check && make install (chances are they will fail) |
| 22:47.21 | deadcat | GoAuLd: if i am not you gonna kick my ass? |
| 22:49.28 | deadcat | http://gravityboy.livejournal.com/ |
| 22:49.28 | deadcat | GoAuLd: ^^ new updates |
| 22:51.49 | Econael | isnt a JRE packed on the debian dvds? (java.sun.com's file servers are down) if it is, hows it called (obviously not jre) |
| 22:51.50 | liable | unstable: probably pay to have a good read at the suspend2 home page and see what the new bit is all about. |
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| 22:51.51 | Acid`X | !root |
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| 22:51.52 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 22:51.58 | weasel00 | there used to be a emu that would generate an entire network with server info and all of it was virtual.. it was designed for the second line of defense if they got past your firewall |
| 22:51.59 | weasel00 | i think the base install of it replicated the fbi or cia network design :) |
| 22:52.07 | BiRD | If someone can tell me why my Netgear 311T madwifi drives arnt working, modprobe and ifconfig and iwconfig returns can be seen at http://justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=144802&goto=nextoldest |
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| 22:55.53 | weasel00 | network split? |
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| 22:55.54 | BiRD | I only have one network |
| 22:55.54 | BiRD | ? i am trying to get a wireless netgear card installed |
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| 22:55.55 | weasel00 | sorry i think that freenode just split for a minute |
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| 22:56.24 | fhffhqvb | meh. |
| 22:56.25 | weasel00 | yep... freenode split |
| 22:57.18 | weasel00 | wonder if that was a normal split or related to the exploit kiddies? |
| 22:58.04 | ke6isf | Weird. |
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| 22:58.47 | BiRD | freenode splits? |
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| 22:58.49 | BiRD | a merge not a split? |
| 22:59.12 | juice` | is there any debian tool for setting up which graphic card i have for X server? |
| 22:59.12 | ke6isf | BiRD: That's what that was right there, more or less. |
| 23:01.09 | Econael | where can I get a JRE when java.sun.com's file servers are down? |
| 23:02.30 | liable | BiRD: try #madwifi whats lspci say about that card? |
| 23:02.30 | liable | yay i'm 76 secs lagging. |
| 23:02.30 | liable | !test |
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| 23:02.30 | weasel00 | split happened already...whoops another split lol |
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| 23:02.35 | GDG | hi |
| 23:02.36 | GDG | I need to install gcc 3.2.2 where can I find it? |
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| 23:05.38 | liable | yay, my screen is all green with joins :) |
| 23:05.38 | deadcat | good aint just me |
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| 23:06.35 | GDG | I need to install gcc 3.2.2 where can I find it? |
| 23:06.35 | GDG | please |
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| 23:20.49 | kingmike | what's minicom ? |
| 23:20.49 | garfunkel | is that possible to pxe boot both stable & unstable from a server running stable. and is there any kind of how-to i could read? |
| 23:20.50 | ke6isf | kingmike: Note, it's been about four years since dealing with dialup modems, so if I make a mistake, bear with me. I suspect the hayes set didn't change in the meantime. |
| 23:20.50 | lexhider | ok, I'm running the latest kernel, so that's not it. |
| 23:20.51 | ke6isf | !minicom |
| 23:20.51 | dpkg | somebody said minicom was a serial communication program like Windows's Hyperterminal. |
| 23:21.06 | ke6isf | kingmike: ...ok, it's closer to DOS Qmodem or Telix. |
| 23:21.12 | BiRD | why does modprobe ath_pci return '...madwifi/ath_hal.o will taint the kernel: non-GPL liscense - Proprietary'? |
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| 23:21.31 | liable | BiRD: cause its a proprietry module. ignore it. |
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| 23:21.44 | kingmike | ke6isf : my 'quest' is totally useless, I'm doing it just for fun, no problem if you make mistakes :-) |
| 23:21.51 | ke6isf | kingmike: 'tis cool. |
| 23:22.00 | ke6isf | kingmike: Anyway, install minicom if necessary. |
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| 23:22.10 | garfunkel | eh? no reply? am i asking of something stupid? |
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| 23:22.29 | ke6isf | garfunkel: Patience, young grasshopper. If you don't get an answer, it means nobody knows. |
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| 23:22.41 | garfunkel | i see ke6isf |
| 23:22.50 | stoned- | is there a way to control my phone line through PC/modem. I want to be able to do caller ID, answering machine after 4 rings, other crap thats on my phone by the provider. I want to do it all on the pc. In my LUG meeting, they did have something like that setup, i can't remember using what. but that was a proof of concept, nothing more. Usability was nill. anyone know of software capable of doing these thigns |
| 23:22.54 | ke6isf | garfunkel: The alternative is to get n(users)-1 responses of "I don't know" - which ain't good. |
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| 23:23.06 | garfunkel | sure |
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| 23:23.24 | adfsd | DCC SEND ah34astoTATOLTEST |
| 23:23.32 | ke6isf | !ops adfsd attempting exploit |
| 23:23.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: adfsd attempting exploit |
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| 23:23.55 | adfsd | ke6isf stop being a baby |
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| 23:24.07 | Phlexonance | where can I get a JRE from when java.sun.com's file servers are down? |
| 23:24.07 | ke6isf | oh, ffs... |
| 23:24.09 | BiRD | liable: but then it goes on to say 'Module ath_hal loaded, with warnings', and '/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/madwifi/ath_pci.o: init_module: No such device' |
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| 23:24.19 | embrik | freeone: i did xserver-xfree86, that's the one I have. Doesn't seem to help me, but I shall reboot |
| 23:24.21 | garfunkel | oh, btw, does sed understand path given variables? |
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| 23:24.23 | embrik | prehaps? |
| 23:24.33 | liable | BiRD: yes, thats why i asked what lspci says about your card. |
| 23:24.41 | kronoz | hi, i need to downgrade my nvidia drivers from 1.0.8178 to 1.0.7676, any know how to do this with apt/dpkg? |
| 23:24.43 | BiRD | oh |
| 23:24.46 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@168.187.92.25] by mentor |
| 23:24.51 | ke6isf | !beer mentor |
| 23:24.52 | stoned- | wait for sun servers to be accesible again to use latest jre, or if you don't mind using jre 1.4 you can try this |
| 23:24.54 | stoned- | !blackdown |
| 23:24.54 | dpkg | blackdown kicks ass; they're java people for linux -- http://www.blackdown.org, or a group of Sun Java products ported to Linux by the Blackdown development team. Get it at http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html, or most mirrors have aptable sections, or a group of folks who signed NDA's with Sun and got the JDK source code. they ported it to linux and put it up on blackdown.org, or shit, use java-package |
| 23:24.59 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!?=i_own@*] by mentor |
| 23:25.02 | mentor | :P |
| 23:25.07 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 23:25.17 | garfunkel | say, if LOCATION=/home/ftp, then why sed couln't be sed $LOCATION? |
| 23:25.18 | Sonny | do you know why I can access to my another PC with nautilus using samba? I use this address smb://192.168.2.11/shared |
| 23:25.25 | ke6isf | mentor: I get the feeling that !ops will be getting much usage for the next week. |
| 23:25.27 | mentor | I was at FOSDEM. There was much good beer. I have brought most of it home |
| 23:25.41 | mentor | ke6isf: Uh yes. We're working on automating it :) |
| 23:25.42 | Sonny | I'm "why I cannot...." |
| 23:25.51 | ke6isf | mentor: Heh =^^= |
| 23:25.56 | Sonny | corrected: do you know why I cannot access to my another PC with nautilus using samba? I use this address smb://192.168.2.11/shared |
| 23:26.03 | stoned- | Sonny, is samba setup correctly? what is the security level? did you use smbpasswd -u to add a user? does that user exist on the windows machine? |
| 23:26.26 | Phlexonance | stoned-: thanks, i'll try blackdown |
| 23:26.37 | mentor | Sonny: Can you do smbclient -L //192.168.2.11/ ? |
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| 23:26.57 | stoned- | Sonny, don't do mentor stuff as root |
| 23:26.59 | garfunkel | also try -U switch |
| 23:27.02 | mentor | stoned-: usually you don't need terirbly much of samba for client side |
| 23:27.04 | stoned- | won't work, use as user |
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| 23:27.27 | mentor | stoned-: An admirable sentiment...but why? |
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| 23:27.40 | mentor | stoned-: [won't it work] |
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| 23:27.47 | stoned- | mentor, root is disabled by default on samba.conf |
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| 23:28.11 | stoned- | no root logins allowed |
| 23:28.11 | garfunkel | then why use root? lol |
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| 23:28.17 | BiRD | liable: lspci: I cannot find my wireless card listed here.. unless it is Ethernet Controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM/CA/CAM ethernet controller (rev 03) but I think that is lan-card |
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| 23:28.28 | Sonny | When I do that: "smbclient //192.168.2.11/shared -U gonzalo |
| 23:28.28 | Sonny | " Ican access to the shared directory |
| 23:28.33 | mentor | stoned-: er. yes. unless you specify a user it will use anonymous IIRC, plus no root usually means that samba squashes it down to nobody |
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| 23:28.42 | liable | BiRD: is it pcmcia? |
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| 23:28.47 | mentor | Sonny: Which GNOME version? |
| 23:28.49 | SimonRaven | wtf |
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| 23:28.55 | BiRD | liable: not a laptop |
| 23:29.03 | mentor | SimonRaven: splittity split split split |
| 23:29.05 | SimonRaven | @test2 |
| 23:29.05 | ravenbird | No I'm not online anymore |
| 23:29.05 | Sonny | mentor: where can I see the ersion? |
| 23:29.08 | Sonny | version? |
| 23:29.12 | stoned- | menace, well sir, I su to root, try smbclient -L with my network shares, and access is denied. I have to do it as user |
| 23:29.15 | SimonRaven | i know, but why was i parted? |
| 23:29.15 | ke6isf | !test |
| 23:29.15 | dpkg | Yes, ke6isf, you're still online. |
| 23:29.16 | Kurt | why do Democrats hate Jews? |
| 23:29.17 | stoned- | mentor* |
| 23:29.17 | liable | BiRD: looks like you have other problems if lspci doesnt see it. try another slot. |
| 23:29.28 | mentor | stoned-: wfm |
| 23:29.28 | Phlexonance | ah suns back again =) |
| 23:29.29 | stoned- | that was meant to mentor |
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| 23:29.39 | BiRD | liable: roger |
| 23:29.39 | stoned- | wfm?> |
| 23:29.45 | SimonRaven | Kurt: why do you tell tasteless so-called jokes? |
| 23:29.48 | Sonny | stoned: I can access using smbclient and from windows |
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| 23:29.59 | mentor | Sonny: foot/gnome -> about/(desktop -> about) |
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| 23:30.10 | stoned- | !wfm |
| 23:30.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, wfm is Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual? |
| 23:30.13 | stoned- | oh |
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| 23:30.20 | mentor | SimonRaven: Your client sucks :) |
| 23:30.21 | stoned- | mentor, it doesn't work for me |
| 23:30.22 | garfunkel | you could easily set it up in your /etc/fstab... using -o user=...,password= and so on |
| 23:30.30 | SimonRaven | mentor: irssi |
| 23:30.34 | Sonny | mentor: 2.12.2 |
| 23:30.39 | stoned- | whoah |
| 23:30.44 | SimonRaven | Irssi Does Not Suck (tm) |
| 23:30.46 | stoned- | huh |
| 23:30.49 | stoned- | wait |
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| 23:30.55 | weasel00 | any suggestions on where can i find info on writing a script to automate the creation of additional forums? phpbb2.0.18 debian3.2 mysql4 |
| 23:30.55 | stoned- | nm, i shush |
| 23:30.56 | BiRD | liable: before I try next slot could lucent microelectronics LT WinModem (rev 02) be it? MY card is netgear 311T |
| 23:30.57 | mentor | Sonny: gnome/foot -> places -> network servers |
| 23:31.07 | Kurt | SimonRaven: it's not a joke, it's a question |
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| 23:31.10 | liable | BiRD: no, looks like a modem.. |
| 23:31.18 | mentor | garfunkel: GNOME VFS doesn't go through Linux VFS |
| 23:31.22 | Acid`X_ | where can i check the status of sid? |
| 23:31.27 | mentor | stoned-: Works? |
| 23:31.28 | liable | BiRD: it will say that its an ethernet controller. |
| 23:31.32 | mentor | stoned-: cool :P |
| 23:31.37 | garfunkel | i don't use gnome :) |
| 23:31.49 | ke6isf | Kurt: He plonked you, so he can't hear you. And please don't troll the channel, politics are offtopic in here. |
| 23:31.49 | mentor | stoned-: You are right though, shouldn't do too much as roo |
| 23:31.57 | BiRD | liable: I see ethernet controller! |
| 23:31.58 | stoned- | mentor, I can't access sama shares as root, because in my smb.conf I have root logins disabled. |
| 23:32.05 | Sonny | mentor, ok afterwaards? |
| 23:32.06 | mentor | woah missed that |
| 23:32.14 | liable | BiRD: you need to see 2! (if you have a wired one too..) |
| 23:32.15 | mentor | Kurt: Do you have a Debian related question? |
| 23:32.17 | stoned- | mentor, it is like this on a default samba install. |
| 23:32.37 | mentor | Sonny: Do you see Windows network? |
| 23:32.37 | BiRD | liable: i figured.. okay so try another slot then? |
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| 23:32.40 | Phlexonance | does it matter where I install the jdk to? |
| 23:32.56 | stoned- | mentor, you have to either comment out the root disabled login line or you have to use smbclient etc. as user, not root (in my case ever since using linux) |
| 23:32.59 | mentor | Phlexonance: I sohuld imagine so |
| 23:33.04 | liable | BiRD: can you paste the output of lspci to a paster? |
| 23:33.07 | stoned- | mentor, i dunno what you are talking about, because I am somewhat confused now |
| 23:33.23 | Sonny | mentor: yep, but when I click it gives me the following output: "cannot show smb://.." |
| 23:33.25 | stoned- | mentor, if it works for you, how come not for me? its the same software, only diff configs maybe |
| 23:33.33 | ke6isf | Phlexonance: Have you asked dpkg about 'install java'? |
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| 23:33.35 | BiRD | liable: sure thing 1 moment |
| 23:33.48 | Phlexonance | ke6isf: not yet |
| 23:33.59 | ke6isf | Phlexonance: Might ask the bot then. |
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| 23:34.06 | jsmidt_ | ? |
| 23:34.08 | jsmidt | I was told for an install to us VT2. What is VT2? |
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| 23:34.31 | garfunkel | damn... i thoud i would find a solution to my problems here :( no luck... |
| 23:34.47 | chuckyp | garfunkel, what problems? |
| 23:34.49 | mentor | Sonny: hmmm. |
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| 23:34.57 | ke6isf | !tell garfunkel -about ask |
| 23:34.59 | BiRD | liable: http://pastebin.com/584238 |
| 23:35.04 | liable | jsmidt: virtual terminal 2, ctrl+alt+F2 |
| 23:35.25 | Sonny | mentor: another way to access? |
| 23:35.27 | jsmidt | Thanks, do I type that during an install? |
| 23:35.27 | stoned- | jsmidt, man chvt |
| 23:35.31 | Kurt | mentor: yes, why are Debbie and Ian such utter worthless collectivists? |
| 23:35.34 | garfunkel | need to pxe boot some client machines into stable and another some - unstable |
| 23:35.46 | Sonny | mentor: I'm connnectig from linux to linux |
| 23:35.48 | Kurt | they would do well to familiarize themselves with the writings of the eminent 20th-century Russian-American philosopher Ayn Rand |
| 23:36.01 | stoned- | Sonny, you are using SAMBA to connect linux to linux |
| 23:36.06 | johnny | does anybody know how to solve the problem of reading data during the install ? |
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| 23:36.08 | liable | BiRD: either the slot or the card is fuxored. either way, the kernel isnt seeing it. |
| 23:36.08 | stoned- | Sonny, thats retarded, no offence, use NFS |
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| 23:36.22 | BiRD | liable: could kernel be at fault? |
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| 23:36.53 | liable | BiRD: unlikely. |
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| 23:37.11 | BiRD | liable: Okay ty 4 the help |
| 23:37.14 | weasel00 | !ping |
| 23:37.14 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:37.18 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@evvlinlwt-nas-07-s297.cinergycom.net] by mentor |
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| 23:37.27 | stoned- | hehe |
| 23:37.29 | stoned- | hey check it |
| 23:37.30 | ke6isf | !saturday |
| 23:37.31 | Sonny | stoned, but it is suppossed to work right? or samba it's just to connect windows to linux? |
| 23:37.31 | dpkg | somebody said saturday was Tardsday Eve |
| 23:37.32 | mentor | Thanks for not feeding the trolls guys |
| 23:37.35 | rotnem | :D |
| 23:38.08 | mentor | rotnem: smbclient says that GUEST is the default username, unless $USER or $LOGNAMe are set, or something |
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| 23:38.38 | rotnem | mentor, look also, root logins are disabled, thus my reason for saying, don't use it as root, since it will not work |
| 23:38.38 | mentor | Sonny: I think the problem is with GNOME's SMB layer. Try mounting the share directly with mount |
| 23:38.52 | mentor | rotnem: Yes, and they are disabled on the machines I am testing on too. |
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| 23:39.04 | rotnem | :) |
| 23:39.04 | garfunkel | as i told more than a 19" monitor ago |
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| 23:39.21 | rotnem | man |
| 23:39.22 | ke6isf | garfunkel: As you can see, things here move quick like. |
| 23:39.28 | rotnem | how can i set it so that other people can't use my nickname |
| 23:39.35 | ke6isf | !nickserv |
| 23:39.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, nickserv is fucked on OPN. It should not auto-disconnect (essentially kill) within 60seconds if using a registered nick. Who is the moron that runs the piece of shit?, or not so fucked, that behaviour is configurable by the owner of the nick |
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| 23:39.57 | streuner | rotnem: /msg nickserv register help |
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| 23:40.00 | bbrazil | !factinfo nickserv |
| 23:40.00 | dpkg | nickserv -- created by xk <Tdho2k@reggae-23-26.nv.iinet.net.au> at Tue Jun 27 13:22:26 2000 (2076 days); last modified at Sat Jan 13 19:58:26 2001 by asuffield!asuffield@193.129.76.82; it has been requested 17 times, last by zOrK at Sat Nov 5 15:26:20 2005. |
| 23:40.01 | rotnem | mine is registered, its just that that i have to ghost this guy off every time |
| 23:40.02 | ke6isf | wtf... |
| 23:40.03 | liable | rotnem: register your nick. /msg nickserv help |
| 23:40.04 | mentor | ... |
| 23:40.08 | ke6isf | !forget nickserv |
| 23:40.09 | dpkg | ke6isf: i forgot nickserv |
| 23:40.13 | rotnem | it IS regged |
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| 23:40.23 | mentor | why should it not kill? The point is that it protects people against impersonation... |
| 23:40.26 | streuner | rotnem: well, choose another one? |
| 23:40.27 | ke6isf | !nickserv is the nickname registration bot for Freenode. /msg nickserv help for more details. |
| 23:40.28 | dpkg | okay, ke6isf |
| 23:40.34 | rotnem | i don't care |
| 23:40.34 | fhffhqvb | $(*## |
| 23:40.42 | rotnem | its just inconvenient to ghost this dude off each time |
| 23:40.43 | liable | rotnem: not much you can do, other than kick him. |
| 23:40.43 | Sonny | mentor: using NFS or smbmount? |
| 23:41.00 | mentor | Sonny: Using -t smbfs as...it's a smbfs share. |
| 23:41.01 | jamuraa | mentor: it's user-configurable, IIRC |
| 23:41.01 | bbrazil | mentor: killing isn't required - a /msg nickserv info nick also does for (manual) auth purposes |
| 23:41.08 | stoned | ahh boy, good to be back |
| 23:41.17 | garfunkel | man smbmount |
| 23:41.21 | IRC_Troll | stoned : i havent had any problems with mine *shrug* |
| 23:41.32 | mentor | bbrazil: Yeah...people are going to always do that. |
| 23:41.33 | stoned | Troll! |
| 23:41.35 | streuner | haha |
| 23:41.46 | stoned | !ops Troll alert |
| 23:41.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Troll alert |
| 23:41.50 | stoned | hehe :) |
| 23:41.53 | IRC_Troll | eeek |
| 23:41.58 | mentor | stoned: You just pissed off all the ops |
| 23:41.58 | liable | wtf? |
| 23:42.06 | stoned | lol |
| 23:42.09 | Sonny | mentor: let try this |
| 23:42.16 | darkcmd | man, I don't know why I didn't switch to Window maker sooner |
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| 23:42.28 | bbrazil | mentor: I admin a network where it's disabled by default. Too much risk of people playing up, although we're moving towards forced changing of nicknames. Anyway, its OT for this channel |
| 23:42.37 | garfunkel | wm rules :) |
| 23:42.48 | mentor | bbrazil: Indeed. |
| 23:42.57 | darkcmd | garfunkel, you use wm? |
| 23:42.58 | stoned | Sonny, apt-get install konqueror then use smb:// in konqueror and see if it works there. if so, it is problem with gnome, if not, its a poroblem with samba. you can always apt-get --purge rremove kde* |
| 23:43.03 | stoned | and libkde* |
| 23:43.05 | stoned | etc. |
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| 23:43.10 | garfunkel | not right now |
| 23:43.12 | Sonny | stoned: ok |
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| 23:43.30 | ke6isf | !start a wm |
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| 23:43.33 | ke6isf | !start a wm war |
| 23:43.33 | dpkg | blackbox blows! |
| 23:43.38 | garfunkel | lol |
| 23:43.41 | darkcmd | garfunkel, what do you use usually? |
| 23:43.47 | darkcmd | !start a wm war |
| 23:43.47 | dpkg | KDE bites! |
| 23:43.47 | garfunkel | bash |
| 23:43.56 | darkcmd | garfunkel, so no x at all? |
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| 23:44.02 | mentor | FYI kill protection is totally disabled. |
| 23:44.11 | garfunkel | yep |
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| 23:44.26 | freakazoid333 | hardcore |
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| 23:44.39 | stoned | is there any urdu support for deb |
| 23:44.40 | stoned | !urdu |
| 23:44.55 | d03boy | msg dpgk |
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| 23:45.01 | stoned | i migh enjoy reading my interface in my language |
| 23:45.11 | stoned | it doesn't have a factoid about urdu |
| 23:45.12 | stoned | :( |
| 23:45.21 | unstable | What is the alternative to compiling with --initrd? |
| 23:45.21 | d03boy | i dont know what urdu is |
| 23:45.27 | garfunkel | guys, does anyone have any experience with pxe bott and nfsroot? |
| 23:45.31 | stoned | its the paskitani/indian language |
| 23:45.31 | weasel00 | ~urdu |
| 23:45.41 | ke6isf | d03boy: It's a language. |
| 23:45.42 | stoned | @urdu |
| 23:45.47 | Sonny | which one is better? gnome or kde? |
| 23:45.52 | freeone3000 | !urdu |
| 23:45.53 | SimonRaven | !better |
| 23:45.53 | dpkg | from memory, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 23:45.55 | d03boy | they both kinda suck Sonny |
| 23:45.58 | mentor | heh |
| 23:46.00 | weasel00 | garfunkel : never got pxe to work at home |
| 23:46.04 | ke6isf | Sonny: All WMs suck. |
| 23:46.07 | freeone3000 | AfterStep! |
| 23:46.12 | garfunkel | windows xp lol |
| 23:46.12 | mentor | Sonny: I use GNOME. |
| 23:46.16 | freeone3000 | Not all. |
| 23:46.17 | freeone3000 | Some blow. |
| 23:46.19 | mentor | garfunkel: Doesn't run under Linux |
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| 23:46.28 | freeone3000 | ANd some suck and blow at the same time, making them great trumpet players. |
| 23:46.51 | ke6isf | freeone3000: Wow, who'da thunk, a WM that could toot its own horn! |
| 23:46.55 | weasel00 | freeone3k : you mean harmonica players ... cant suck ona trumpet *wink |
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| 23:46.57 | mentor | Sonny: GNOME has a reduced user interface to try and make it simple, KDE has everything. |
| 23:47.04 | SimonRaven | freeone3000: that's called circular breathing |
| 23:47.11 | mentor | ke6isf: A man walks into a drumkit... |
| 23:47.12 | stoned | Sonny, better is a relative term. I find KDE to be superior to anything else. Others find Gnome to be superor, yet still there are some who dislike them both and go with xfce. Hell you got purists that hate anything not TWM or some sort of a *box WM. Its a matter of pref. |
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| 23:47.23 | ke6isf | HAH! |
| 23:47.31 | SimonRaven | weasel00: how else do you breathe ? ;) gotta suck air in, eh |
| 23:47.31 | garfunkel | foo is better than bar, sure :) |
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| 23:47.38 | freeone3000 | ...TWM? |
| 23:47.40 | mentor | The trick is to avoid the drop in to when you change form blowing with your cheeks and your lungs |
| 23:47.41 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 23:47.44 | freeone3000 | Show me one guy who likes TWM... |
| 23:47.47 | deadcat | garfunkel: (= |
| 23:47.47 | mentor | s/to/tone/ |
| 23:47.57 | mentor | Never could get hte hang of it |
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| 23:48.12 | SimonRaven | why do people fucking double click on links? FFS |
| 23:48.14 | stoned | thats why I play guitar |
| 23:48.16 | stoned | :) |
| 23:48.19 | weasel00 | i could never get the hang of the breathing while banging the drums |
| 23:48.20 | coolpix | n8 |
| 23:48.20 | Sonny | but talking about .... development... kde is superior to gnome right? |
| 23:48.29 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 23:48.30 | freeone3000 | Sonny: For development, you want Vim. |
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| 23:48.34 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Because Gates trained them to double click on icons. |
| 23:48.43 | BiRDmw | Liable: Good news, I push card in and now see with lspci Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Ince. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) YAY! |
| 23:48.59 | SimonRaven | that's where i thought it came from. same for apple... |
| 23:49.02 | weasel00 | woot Bird is detecting -) |
| 23:49.04 | liable | BiRDmw: :) helps when its connected properly :) |
| 23:49.04 | mentor | Of course, selecting link text is hard |
| 23:49.19 | stoned | Sonny, that is MY PERSONAL OPINION. KDE is the BEST DE ever. don't go by my opinions. use a buncha of different things, then decide what your needs are, and then go with it. I'ved used everything, but now I require a complete desktop os |
| 23:49.24 | freeone3000 | No... that's what double click does. |
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| 23:49.35 | ke6isf | Sonny: The point of this is that such a question is subjective. It's like asking which, between vi and emacs, is better - you'll get more answers than people on the channel. |
| 23:49.36 | BiRDmw | k, so I suppose there are good tutorials on the web for rest of installationg then |
| 23:49.37 | SimonRaven | mentor: start close to the edge of the link, and start dragging |
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| 23:49.39 | Sonny | ok I understand |
| 23:49.52 | freeone3000 | vim is better. |
| 23:49.56 | garfunkel | that's why i prefer to use bash... no need to click or double click on things |
| 23:50.02 | freeone3000 | Unless someone can tell me how to save in emacs. |
| 23:50.06 | ke6isf | freeone3000: ED IS THE STANDARD EDITOR!!!!!!11!!!one |
| 23:50.10 | liable | BiRDmw: load the modules, and read man iwconfig :) theres good docs on the madwifi site. |
| 23:50.11 | stoned | heh |
| 23:50.12 | freeone3000 | Nano. |
| 23:50.13 | unstable | stoned: yea but DE's are bloated and a waste of resources. Anything you can do with KDE I can do 5x faster with fluxbox or any other window manager with hotkeys/tabs |
| 23:50.13 | stoned | pico! |
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| 23:50.17 | garfunkel | leave mouse to disabled :) |
| 23:50.18 | ke6isf | freeone3000: C-x C-s |
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| 23:50.41 | stoned | unstable, you can, and you should, you make your computer work for you the way you want. I shall do the same with mine :) |
| 23:50.42 | freeone3000 | ke6isf: Thank you. Now how do I get to the psychologist? |
| 23:50.42 | SimonRaven | eeew |
| 23:50.42 | bushito | why do Debian uses 500 MB of ram =O and i dont got a thing open |
| 23:50.52 | freeone3000 | bushito: It grants it to apps when the apps need them. |
| 23:51.00 | SimonRaven | !free memory |
| 23:51.00 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
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| 23:51.01 | ke6isf | freeone3000: M-x psychologist, I think. |
| 23:51.03 | freeone3000 | bushito: And you DO have something open, you have IRC. |
| 23:51.06 | garfunkel | bushito, for a file system cache |
| 23:51.13 | freeone3000 | ke6isf: Thank you. |
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| 23:51.15 | ke6isf | freeone3000: Or, you can just do M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead for fun. =^_^= |
| 23:51.16 | SimonRaven | bushito: ^^^ |
| 23:51.24 | bushito | ............. |
| 23:51.29 | r0tu | what does chmod bin.bin do? |
| 23:51.31 | bushito | dang 500 MB for irc -.-u |
| 23:51.33 | SimonRaven | !tell easytiger -about root |
| 23:51.33 | stoned | this is a windows bullshit idea about free ram. FREE is a wasted |
| 23:51.38 | stoned | wtf is free ram doing |
| 23:51.39 | garfunkel | type free -m and see how much it uses for cache |
| 23:51.40 | stoned | its just sitting there |
| 23:51.42 | stoned | being free |
| 23:51.50 | SimonRaven | stoned: read bot output ^^ |
| 23:51.54 | mentor | SimonRaven: Indeed. What if I want the bit in the middle of the link? |
| 23:51.55 | stoned | you paid for 512 ram, and only 256 is bieng used |
| 23:52.03 | BiRDmw | liable: iwconfig says ' lo no wireless extensions' and 'eth0 no wireless extensions' |
| 23:52.05 | stoned | so basically th rest of it is wasted |
| 23:52.13 | SimonRaven | mentor: now you're being pedantic :P. |
| 23:52.13 | bushito | i see |
| 23:52.18 | liable | BiRDmw: you have loded the modules? |
| 23:52.27 | stoned | now in linux, the WHOLE RAM is used, first filled with apps you use, rest with CACHE from appls from before |
| 23:52.38 | mentor | SimonRaven: I just like things to be consisten |
| 23:52.38 | mentor | t |
| 23:52.40 | stoned | so really, you have a lot of ram avilable, its just being used as cache |
| 23:52.41 | BiRDmw | !tell BiRDmw madwifi |
| 23:52.43 | SimonRaven | mentor: :) |
| 23:52.47 | bushito | can i ask what is best to use if mandriva or debian?? (O_o)?? |
| 23:52.48 | garfunkel | chmod bin.bin? lol... didn't notice that :) |
| 23:52.59 | deadcat | bushito: neither |
| 23:53.00 | SimonRaven | !best |
| 23:53.00 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 23:53.13 | garfunkel | should also try chown 777 |
| 23:53.15 | stoned | bushito, go with debian |
| 23:53.18 | SimonRaven | s/./:/ |
| 23:53.23 | BiRDmw | dpkg: !tell BiRDmw madwifi |
| 23:53.27 | r0tu | nice word: pedantic |
| 23:53.27 | deadcat | stoned: stupid questions dont deserve real answers |
| 23:53.31 | liable | BiRDmw: modprobe ath-pci; then check iwconfig |
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| 23:53.49 | liable | BiRDmw: you can /msg dokg, also you need to add 'about' |
| 23:53.54 | bushito | stoned: can i ask why?? =O |
| 23:53.56 | liable | !tell BiRDmw about madwifi |
| 23:54.00 | stoned | deadcat, o dpmt |
| 23:54.00 | Acid`X | !tell BiRDmw -about madwifi |
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| 23:54.02 | stoned | doh |
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| 23:54.07 | SimonRaven | oh, saturday. troll and dumb questions day. the day before sunday. #debian's september |
| 23:54.09 | weasel00 | stoned : why did al gore invent the internet? |
| 23:54.11 | stoned | deadcat, i dont understand what you mean |
| 23:54.13 | BiRDmw | liable: gotcha |
| 23:54.19 | stoned | weasel, what? |
| 23:54.20 | ke6isf | !always sunday |
| 23:54.20 | dpkg | Just as it's always September, somewhere, out on the internet, it's always Sunday here in #debian. |
| 23:54.23 | stoned | weasel, read history |
| 23:54.24 | deadcat | stoned: that guy's stupid x over y crap |
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| 23:54.33 | r0tu | garfunkel: what does "chmod bin.bin <<file>>" mean? |
| 23:54.36 | stoned | deadcat, oh, well, i'd alrady typed it |
| 23:54.37 | stoned | :) |
| 23:54.42 | SimonRaven | r0tu: info chmod |
| 23:54.44 | weasel00 | stoned : was a joke... *sigh |
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| 23:54.51 | blondie | beep |
| 23:54.53 | garfunkel | r0tu... man chmod, man chown |
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| 23:54.56 | stoned | weasel, sorry bro, im kinda beat tonight |
| 23:54.58 | bushito | Debians IRC got to be SO ASS, i wonder what they did whe you guys where newbs >_> |
| 23:55.11 | bushito | shits dont answer |
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| 23:55.16 | bushito | another stupid qyuesta |
| 23:55.17 | deadcat | r0tu: go online and serach "basic unix howto" |
| 23:55.18 | garfunkel | r0tu, it does nothing... chown does |
| 23:55.20 | bushito | tsk |
| 23:55.25 | SimonRaven | see? told you, troll |
| 23:55.26 | ke6isf | !ops bushito is a troll... |
| 23:55.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: bushito is a troll... |
| 23:55.28 | stoned | bushito, whats the problem |
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| 23:55.41 | SimonRaven | his/her problem is that s/he's a troll |
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| 23:56.04 | stoned | bushito, before you ask a question, ask yourself that if google can answer it |
| 23:56.13 | bushito | na no thank you ill serach for info myself i wonder why this chat is called DEBIAN IRC HELP if you only get verbaly bullied by the helpers |
| 23:56.14 | r0tu | pardon me.. your right.. chown... I was just looking for a quick answer but I guess I could look it up |
| 23:56.16 | r0tu | thanks anyhow |
| 23:56.17 | deadcat | Acid`X: ask in channel please |
| 23:56.19 | mentor | bushito: Please don't be abusive in channel |
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| 23:56.23 | mentor | !free |
| 23:56.23 | dpkg | well, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 23:56.26 | mentor | !freeram |
| 23:56.29 | mentor | !free ram |
| 23:56.29 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 23:56.43 | garfunkel | !cheap ram and storage |
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| 23:56.49 | garfunkel | lol |
| 23:56.53 | mentor | meh |
| 23:57.05 | stoned | bushito, this is FREE HELP by volunteers. No one here gets paid to sit there and help you. Take it or leave it |
| 23:57.09 | stoned | oh asshole left |
| 23:57.15 | Acid`X | where can i check the status of unstable/sid? |
| 23:57.18 | r0tu | deadcat: I already have many docs from ldp, but thanks for the "your a dumb ass comment".... |
| 23:57.21 | garfunkel | !mips for free |
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| 23:57.30 | mentor | Of course, because the disk cache is backed by the disk...you can drop the memory with very little overhead |
| 23:57.30 | deadcat | Acid`X: packages? /topic |
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| 23:57.39 | mentor | stoned: Please don't be abusive |
| 23:57.59 | deadcat | r0tu: and yet you dont even know chown.. whats the poing of having all those docs? |
| 23:58.00 | Acid`X | deadcat: for sid i have to remove the security line from apt right? |
| 23:58.06 | stoned | mentor, I call everyone an asshole, i don't know why, I know I should stop and clean up my language |
| 23:58.14 | deadcat | Acid`X: you dont need that line for sid |
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| 23:58.40 | unstable | Acid`X: right |
| 23:58.43 | garfunkel | he could just rm -r /usr/share/man :) |
| 23:58.45 | SimonRaven | well, being devil's advocate here, *everyone* has an asshole (unless surgically removed for some reason) |
| 23:58.49 | unstable | Acid`X: You want me to show you me sources.list for sid? |
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| 23:59.09 | r0tu | deadcat: I just got them.. I am learning along the way... you don't have to be a jerk. Just don't answer if you don't like the question.. but I do apreciate the correction on chown.. I just typed the wrong one out... |
| 23:59.10 | Acid`X | unstable: if u want to |
| 23:59.15 | abrotman | SimonRaven: i swear to god . none of my exes ever took a dump .. makes you wonder |
| 23:59.16 | freakazoid333 | simon like homophobes :0 |
| 23:59.23 | SimonRaven | hehehe |
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| 23:59.26 | mentor | SimonRaven: Indeed, but having one, doens't mean they are one |
| 23:59.30 | SimonRaven | freakazoid333: what? |
| 23:59.38 | SimonRaven | mentor: no, of course |
| 23:59.38 | stoned | Booyakasha! |
| 23:59.43 | mentor | abrotman: "Girls don't poop!" |
| 23:59.45 | freakazoid333 | nm |
| 23:59.47 | deadcat | r0tu: no you didnt. you just dont want to be embarrassed because you have tons of docs but you dont bother to read them. |
| 23:59.54 | unstable | Acid`X: /msg dpkg 2006 key and /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 23:59.54 | abrotman | mentor: that's what i mean! |
| 23:59.55 | stoned | homophobia is a useless phobia |
| 23:59.56 | garfunkel | r0tu, man is your friend... if stuck, man chmod (whatever) |
